Post by: Mephansteras on November 12, 2020, 04:12:03 pm
Should be a good time!
Being a Bastard Mod game, you're going to have to work at it to figure out how to actually win the game. While this is going to be a Paranormal game, and the flavor and theme will reflect that, you cannot rely solely on strategies that work in normal Paranormal games to win this.
Remember, things may not be as they seem.
I'd like to have at least 9 people for this one if we can get that many, but the more the merrier!
Players:
- Caz
TricMagic- Alien Exterminator4maskwolf- Alien Exterminator- Shakerag
Luckyowl- Alien Exterminatorwebadict- Alien Exterminator- heydude6
juicebox- Alien ExterminatorIcyTea31- Alien Exterminator- Jim Groovester
Toonyman- Alien Exterminator
I'll leave sign-ups open for a bit longer. At least through Friday, and then we can kick the game off as soon as I have time to do all the roles and whatnot.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 12, 2020, 04:12:56 pm
Here are the normal rules:
Here is the (current) list of possible roles:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Definitions:
Doppelganger: These foul creatures kill and eat humans, taking on all of their memories and abilities. Once they have a form, most doppelgangers cannot change again. They are a flawed species, and possess and uncontrollable blood lust forcing them to kill and eat humans each night. Their goal is to destroy all of the humans in the town and make their way out into the larger world.
Night Kill: Any kill that happens during the Night Phase. The Doppelgangers each get 1 Night Kill as a group, in addition to any allowed by Roles.
Morningkill: A morning kill happens between the night and day phase, and cannot be prevented by abilities that prevent night kills (Such as the Guardian). A Morning Kill will always look like it recently happened.
Abduction: When a player abducts another player, two things happen. First, the abducted player is role-blocked for the night. Second, that player is removed from play for that night (and possibly the game). While removed, they cannot be the target of any other night action and cannot vote or be lynched during the day. Exceptions: The Paranoid War Vet and Sentry Gun are not role-blocked by an abduction, and will kill the player attempting the abduction. Abducted players are not role-flipped until their abductor leaves the game.
I've written a perl script to pick roles and whatnot randomly. It has some rules that it follows, but it should make for a nice amount of randomness to the set-up. Note that while I'll generally just go with whatever it spits out, I may make modifications to the set-up in order to make a more interesting game or to test out a specific feature. Also note that I will intentionally mess or not mess with stuff just to screw up anyone depending on the Gambler's Fallacy.
Note that the script NO LONGER restricts most roles to only one or two per side. Being able to use meta-game deduction to determine that someone must be town/scum breaks the game, so I've removed the aspects of the game that allow that.
Not all roles are guaranteed. In fact, it's quite possible to have a game with nothing but normal doppelgangers and humans.
General Rules:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Feel free to ask for clarification on any rule.
The Rules have Changed
The game is no longer split into Day and Night phases. Voting will no longer occur.
The game is now split into Truce phase and Hunt phase.
Truce phase replaces day. You may discuss things here, purchase tech, or trade tech with one another. It acts like a Day phase in most respects, without the voting and lynching.
The Truce phase will last for 48 hours or until everyone has indicated they are Ready for the Hunt phase to begin.
The Hunt phase replaces the Night phase, and functions like it in most respects. However, the thread will not be locked so you can still discuss things in the thread over the station comms. Each Hunt phase will go for 48 hours or until I have all Actions and have a chance to do the write-ups.
Post by: Caz on November 12, 2020, 04:14:57 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 12, 2020, 04:15:33 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 12, 2020, 04:18:47 pm
Post by: hector13 on November 12, 2020, 04:21:17 pm
Post by: Shakerag on November 12, 2020, 04:24:49 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on November 12, 2020, 04:32:59 pm
Post by: webadict on November 12, 2020, 04:34:05 pm
Post by: RoseHeart on November 12, 2020, 05:06:08 pm
Post by: heydude6 on November 12, 2020, 05:36:14 pm
I missed the fact that there was a mafia revival. Thank goodness I decided to check the banter thread today. Lenglon's thoughts on the meta were spot on!
Post by: juicebox on November 12, 2020, 05:57:24 pm
Post by: RoseHeart on November 12, 2020, 06:40:45 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on November 12, 2020, 06:45:24 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2020, 08:41:09 pm
I should have enough time to not totally disappoint everybody with how much I'll be able to play.
In.
Post by: hector13 on November 12, 2020, 08:42:40 pm
You were my first NK as mafia, I am pretty sure.
Post by: webadict on November 12, 2020, 08:43:51 pm
Meph summoned me and I have arrived.Oh shit, it's the Groovester. You were always a fiercesome opponent.
I should have enough time to not totally disappoint everybody with how much I'll be able to play.
In.
Post by: hector13 on November 12, 2020, 08:51:19 pm
Not that he was a last-minute D1 replacement and my scum buddy and I decided to get rid of the vet so we wouldn’t get found out or nuffin’.
Naaaaaah.
Post by: webadict on November 12, 2020, 10:44:31 pm
Not in my first scum game ahahaha.Have no fear. You can always kill me.
Not that he was a last-minute D1 replacement and my scum buddy and I decided to get rid of the vet so we wouldn’t get found out or nuffin’.
Naaaaaah.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2020, 11:07:11 pm
Meph summoned me and I have arrived.Oh shit, it's the Groovester. You were always a fiercesome opponent.
I should have enough time to not totally disappoint everybody with how much I'll be able to play.
In.
That's high praise.
I never figured you out and it frustrated me endlessly that I never could.
Not in my first scum game ahahaha.
Not that he was a last-minute D1 replacement and my scum buddy and I decided to get rid of the vet so we wouldn’t get found out or nuffin’.
Naaaaaah.
That was probably a good choice.
It's been five years since I last played a game of mafia but we'll see how much I still have of it in me.
Post by: webadict on November 12, 2020, 11:47:02 pm
Consider it mutual. You have a playstyle like MrPerson. Very analytical, and not as easy to distract with my usual inane bullshit. I think that typically makes your gut reactions hit well, and you are typically good at knowing when someone is mafia or not. If I remember correctly, I think that your weakness is when people make inefficient moves against you, because I think you plan for the strongest move and work backwards from there. It makes it easier to plan around what you'll do, because you always make the strongest move. But, now that you know that, you can work around that ;)Meph summoned me and I have arrived.Oh shit, it's the Groovester. You were always a fiercesome opponent.
I should have enough time to not totally disappoint everybody with how much I'll be able to play.
In.
That's high praise.
I never figured you out and it frustrated me endlessly that I never could.
Post by: RoseHeart on November 13, 2020, 02:23:53 am
Post by: Caz on November 13, 2020, 04:32:28 am
Post by: TricMagic on November 13, 2020, 08:26:03 am
Consider it mutual. You have a playstyle like MrPerson. Very analytical, and not as easy to distract with my usual inane bullshit. I think that typically makes your gut reactions hit well, and you are typically good at knowing when someone is mafia or not. If I remember correctly, I think that your weakness is when people make inefficient moves against you, because I think you plan for the strongest move and work backwards from there. It makes it easier to plan around what you'll do, because you always make the strongest move. But, now that you know that, you can work around that ;)Meph summoned me and I have arrived.Oh shit, it's the Groovester. You were always a fiercesome opponent.
I should have enough time to not totally disappoint everybody with how much I'll be able to play.
In.
That's high praise.
I never figured you out and it frustrated me endlessly that I never could.
Yeah, he might have problems with me and rose.
Post by: hector13 on November 13, 2020, 08:50:29 am
Post by: webadict on November 13, 2020, 08:57:58 am
Out, this would not be a good idea.Wha? Sad days.
Post by: hector13 on November 13, 2020, 09:13:22 am
Post by: juicebox on November 13, 2020, 09:19:25 am
Thought I’d be up for it, but I can’t.
Awwww. Well hopefully you can join the next game
Post by: hector13 on November 13, 2020, 09:25:03 am
Post by: webadict on November 13, 2020, 09:32:50 am
I’ll probably keep changing my mind until the game starts, and then regret not taking part, but mafia is stressful and I probably don’t need that right now.You can just tagteam for me. We can be the same person.
Post by: Shakerag on November 13, 2020, 09:35:27 am
Post by: ToonyMan on November 13, 2020, 09:36:44 am
Going to switch my avatar from Secret Game to Raging Loop since one of these has been translated and the other has not.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 13, 2020, 09:36:54 am
Post by: Shakerag on November 13, 2020, 09:38:05 am
Post by: webadict on November 13, 2020, 09:40:37 am
Seems like it might be easier on people if we delayed the start a week or so? I know Vector also has at least one midterm next week but is interested in joining games.I need Vector to poetry jam with me, like the good ol' days.
I neeeeeeed it.
Quills and wills, man. Quills. And. Wills.
Post by: RoseHeart on November 13, 2020, 09:59:32 am
Yeah, he might have problems with me and rose.
lol, rng ftw.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 13, 2020, 11:26:17 am
Post by: TricMagic on November 13, 2020, 11:30:54 am
Post by: heydude6 on November 13, 2020, 11:35:22 am
I am fine either way. My schedule is pretty sparse, so I have plenty of free time to dedicate to the game in both periods.
Post by: TricMagic on November 13, 2020, 11:41:28 am
Continue
Delay a few Days
Delay several Days
Post by: webadict on November 13, 2020, 11:46:41 am
I can play. In.I played Killer Queen, and I hated it. Is Secret Game better?
Going to switch my avatar from Secret Game to Raging Loop since one of these has been translated and the other has not.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: RoseHeart on November 13, 2020, 12:04:06 pm
Post by: Caz on November 13, 2020, 12:16:41 pm
(I will probably regret this.)
Post by: RoseHeart on November 13, 2020, 12:21:22 pm
I have no opinion on delaying/starting quickly. The petty tribulations of real life pale in comparison to mafia shenanigans.
(I will probably regret this.)
Regret which/what?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 13, 2020, 12:51:59 pm
Heh yeah Killer Queen is dumb even though I still enjoyed it at the time.I can play. In.I played Killer Queen, and I hated it. Is Secret Game better?
Going to switch my avatar from Secret Game to Raging Loop since one of these has been translated and the other has not.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Secret Game is a remake of Killer Queen and it's still not that great, but after that they made a prequel to Secret Game called Code Revise, which I think is actually pretty good, and then after that they rewrote Code Revise and called it Rebellions which I personally think is the strongest title in the series. The problem with the previous VNs is that the director was really bad at writing, but for Rebellions they hired the writing team that did Root Double to "fix" Code Revise. It's more Battle Royale than mafia/werewolf compared to Raging Loop but whatever. I do strongly recommend Raging Loop if you somehow survived Killer Queen.
I'm not sure if Lemnisca has any plans on working on the rest of the Secret Game series after going legit but it would be neat.
Post by: webadict on November 13, 2020, 01:17:38 pm
Heh yeah Killer Queen is dumb even though I still enjoyed it at the time.I wanted Killer Queen to be good, and it just managed to disappoint me at almost every step. It's not like the story didn't have places it could go, but I tried to give it a fair shake, and it just gave me nothing. I was like minutes from the end, and I literally just gave up without seeing it.
Secret Game is a remake of Killer Queen and it's still not that great, but after that they made a prequel to Secret Game called Code Revise, which I think is actually pretty good, and then after that they rewrote Code Revise and called it Rebellions which I personally think is the strongest title in the series. The problem with the previous VNs is that the director was really bad at writing, but for Rebellions they hired the writing team that did Root Double to "fix" Code Revise. It's more Battle Royale than mafia/werewolf compared to Raging Loop but whatever. I do strongly recommend Raging Loop if you somehow survived Killer Queen.
I'm not sure if Lemnisca has any plans on working on the rest of the Secret Game series after going legit but it would be neat.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I might check out those other ones then. I just read good things about Secret Game, but was told it spoiled things in Killer Queen, and that's how I ended up there, and it wasn't worth.
Post by: Caz on November 13, 2020, 01:22:00 pm
I have no opinion on delaying/starting quickly. The petty tribulations of real life pale in comparison to mafia shenanigans.
(I will probably regret this.)
Regret which/what?
I just mean that mocking the RNG is probably gonna queue up events in the near future to make me busier than I can handle. But that usually happens anyway, so eh...
Post by: RoseHeart on November 13, 2020, 01:24:25 pm
I just mean that mocking the RNG is probably gonna queue up events in the near future to make me busier than I can handle. But that usually happens anyway, so eh...
Oh.
Post by: Caz on November 15, 2020, 01:55:49 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 15, 2020, 05:45:46 pm
Everyone else? Preferences?
Post by: webadict on November 15, 2020, 08:26:04 pm
Well, we got one person saying to keep going two people saying it'd work better if we delayed it a week.I am okay with either. Like I said earlier, it'd be cool if Vector joined. But, it'd also be cool if we played. ... So, I'm gonna abstain from voting. It makes no real difference to me.
Everyone else? Preferences?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 15, 2020, 09:43:38 pm
I don't want to wait too long though.
Post by: webadict on November 15, 2020, 09:58:14 pm
I'm ready to play now but I also wouldn't mind waiting a few days either.Yeah, I'll take that we start by next Friday at the latest. Match with you, Jim?
I don't want to wait too long though.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 15, 2020, 10:20:34 pm
Yes.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 16, 2020, 03:58:28 pm
Well, we got one person saying to keep going two people saying it'd work better if we delayed it a week.I'm fine with anything.
Everyone else? Preferences?
Post by: Mephansteras on November 16, 2020, 03:59:57 pm
Post by: Shakerag on November 17, 2020, 08:33:17 am
Post by: webadict on November 20, 2020, 12:14:02 am
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2020, 01:40:16 am
Still time, though, I'm going to finalize everything tomorrow morning and get the ball rolling some time during the day.
Post by: RoseHeart on November 20, 2020, 02:27:38 am
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2020, 12:52:18 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2020, 05:01:04 pm
Warning alarms blare out across the station, and all of you assemble in the main mess hall.
There, on the main screen, is an emergency message from the Station AI.
!!ATTENTION!!
!!ATTENTION!!
!!ATTENTION!!
3 DOPPELGANGER PODS HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED IN THE STATION CARGO BAYS.
INITIATE EMERGENCY DOPPELGANGER PROCEDURES.
ANY SUSPECTED DOPPELGANGERS ARE TO BE EJECTED VIA THE PRIMARY AIRLOCK.
!!COMPLIANCE IS MANDATORY!!
!!ATTENTION!!
!!ATTENTION!!
3 DOPPELGANGER PODS HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED IN THE STATION CARGO BAYS.
INITIATE EMERGENCY DOPPELGANGER PROCEDURES.
ANY SUSPECTED DOPPELGANGERS ARE TO BE EJECTED VIA THE PRIMARY AIRLOCK.
!!COMPLIANCE IS MANDATORY!!
[The message goes on repeat for a while]
You all look at one another with expressions of distrust.
You’ve all heard the stories about doppelganger infestations before. Nasty affairs. And you all know what to do.
It seems that you’ll need to vote on who’s the most likely doppelganger and toss them out of the airlock.
Good luck. Your lives do, in fact, hang in the balance.
(https://i.imgur.com/BQGSd5L.png)
Game is live! Day 1 will go until ~5pm Pacific Monday.
Thanks to roseheart for bonus artwork during this game!
Post by: webadict on November 20, 2020, 05:52:16 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 05:56:41 pm
Why the fuck is my agent not getting me bigger billing?
Because this is an Among Us parody. And you're Red.
Post by: webadict on November 20, 2020, 05:57:59 pm
Obligatory, I am a Sneak, because it always works. I am also lying about this. And not like the last time I played this game type of lying, but like the regular type of lying where I'm actually not telling the truth.
I swear, the vents were like that before I crawled through them.Why the fuck is my agent not getting me bigger billing?
Because this is an Among Us parody. And you're Red.
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 06:09:20 pm
Hello all who have gathered here today. For whatever reason we've all been hired to Silence One Another. (https://youtu.be/SXTmWENGeLY) If you have claims to make, go ahead, prove me wrong.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2020, 06:14:55 pm
I am very excited.
TricMagic, Luckyowl, heydude6, juicebox, IcyTea31: I don't know anything about any of you so tell me what I should think about you and why I should believe your own self assessment.
ToonyMan, you were in the previous two Bastard Paranormals and since they were ten and eight years ago I'm sure you have a perfect recollection of them. What clues about the bastardness of this game might those two games suggest?
Also, been a while, nice to see you again, etc. etc.
Shakerag, you were also in the last Bastard Paranormal. wtf is going on? Also stop working and play mafia.
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 06:15:20 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 20, 2020, 06:31:42 pm
Alert! Alert! Alert!I claim Human Vigilante with a natural mind shield.
Hello all who have gathered here today. For whatever reason we've all been hired to Silence One Another. (https://youtu.be/SXTmWENGeLY) If you have claims to make, go ahead, prove me wrong.
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 06:35:25 pm
Post by: webadict on November 20, 2020, 06:38:05 pm
Not going to work 4maskwolf, that's anti-town behavior. Let's kill the dopps first before anything else..Well, it seems a bit unfair that 4mask gets voted, but I don't. I was rolefishing just like he was.
Anyway, I agree. 4maskwolf.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 20, 2020, 06:39:42 pm
Not going to work 4maskwolf, that's anti-town behavior. Let's kill the dopps first before anything else..That's adorable.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2020, 06:41:06 pm
I claim Human Vigilante with a natural mind shield.
I mean you could be telling the truth but vig with mind shield is about the most Exterminator fake claim you could make.
4maskwolf.
Post by: webadict on November 20, 2020, 06:43:06 pm
Nah, he could've said he was also a Kook.I claim Human Vigilante with a natural mind shield.
I mean you could be telling the truth but vig with mind shield is about the most Exterminator fake claim you could make.
4maskwolf.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 20, 2020, 06:43:52 pm
It was tempting, ngl.Nah, he could've said he was also a Kook.I claim Human Vigilante with a natural mind shield.
I mean you could be telling the truth but vig with mind shield is about the most Exterminator fake claim you could make.
4maskwolf.
Post by: webadict on November 20, 2020, 06:49:56 pm
Should've all ined. I am disappointed, son. I can't respect your plays if they're not the most brazen thing you can think of.It was tempting, ngl.Nah, he could've said he was also a Kook.I claim Human Vigilante with a natural mind shield.
I mean you could be telling the truth but vig with mind shield is about the most Exterminator fake claim you could make.
4maskwolf.
Post by: IcyTea31 on November 20, 2020, 06:51:35 pm
Everyone: Show off your psychic abilities: what number am I thinking of?
Caz: What's your plan for this game?
TricMagic: What did you mean by "prove me wrong"?
4maskwolf: What information do you expect to receive from reactions to your claim?
Shakerag: True or false? Bastard games require such lopsided thinking that sobriety is necessary to not fall over.
Luckyowl: If you were scum, which player would you most like to be scumbuddies with?
webadict: I see what you're doing. I tried that strategy in the Champs, and it didn't work for me. What do you plan to do differently?
heydude6: Which player are you most afraid of?
juicebox: How are you going to deal with the bastardry of this game?
Toonyman: Why am I not asking you a question?
Mephansteras: Is this one of those games where we win by lynching the mod?
All: Who is excited?Excitement is for people who sleep.
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TricMagic, Luckyowl, heydude6, juicebox, IcyTea31: I don't know anything about any of you so tell me what I should think about you and why I should believe your own self assessment.You should wholly ignore all of my posts so that you won't notice you've been caught before the rope is around your neck. And no, you shouldn't believe me. Belief is for when you don't know for sure. And you know all about who's town and who's scum, don't you?
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 20, 2020, 06:53:59 pm
With the benefit of hindsight I probably should have claimed Spirit-bond War Veteran Kook with a natural Mind Shield and Anti-Tech Field for maximum absurdity.Should've all ined. I am disappointed, son. I can't respect your plays if they're not the most brazen thing you can think of.It was tempting, ngl.Nah, he could've said he was also a Kook.I claim Human Vigilante with a natural mind shield.
I mean you could be telling the truth but vig with mind shield is about the most Exterminator fake claim you could make.
4maskwolf.
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 06:57:08 pm
With the benefit of hindsight I probably should have claimed Spirit-bond War Veteran Kook with a natural Mind Shield and Anti-Tech Field for maximum absurdity.Should've all ined. I am disappointed, son. I can't respect your plays if they're not the most brazen thing you can think of.It was tempting, ngl.Nah, he could've said he was also a Kook.I claim Human Vigilante with a natural mind shield.
I mean you could be telling the truth but vig with mind shield is about the most Exterminator fake claim you could make.
4maskwolf.
Still wouldn't work, the first kills will likely show why. Unless of course roles aren't going to be revealed on death.
Of a note, I am perfectly willing to claim Exterminator. The only question is, am I lying and it's just one big con-game that just so happened to be correct? If so, prove me wrong. Just know you need evidence to back your color up.
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 06:57:33 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2020, 06:57:38 pm
Mephansteras: Is this one of those games where we win by lynching the mod?
This is not one of those games. But wise of you to attempt it.
Post by: IcyTea31 on November 20, 2020, 07:01:16 pm
Post by: RoseHeart on November 20, 2020, 07:04:36 pm
Mephansteras: Is this one of those games where we win by lynching the mod?
This is not one of those games. But wise of you to attempt it.
It was the artist all along... (joking)
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 20, 2020, 07:14:51 pm
In case anyone hasn't guessed, this isn't a bastard mod, it's a meme game. All eleven players are Exterminators, and if I had to guess all eleven of us have natural mind shields. If you don't trust me and Tric both saying it, take a look at your win condition: it's the standard SK wincon rather than the typical Exterminator wincon, to prevent the game from ending immediately upon starting.
So in the spirit of meme games, I say we just no lynch tonight and see how the kills fall tomorrow.
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 07:23:09 pm
Here is a fact. There are 3 dopps. You fakeclaimed to stick around. You could have gone another way, but you didn't. And all No Lynching does is switch to night where the 3 dopps can kill 3 of us. I'd rather you be dead today, sorry~
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 20, 2020, 07:24:04 pm
Still technically around, but not for much longer.That's not how Dopps work and you know it.
Here is a fact. There are 3 dopps. You fakeclaimed to stick around. You could have gone another way, but you didn't. And all No Lynching does is switch to night where the 3 dopps can kill 3 of us. I'd rather you be dead today, sorry~
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 07:26:16 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on November 20, 2020, 07:26:36 pm
Mephansteras: Is this one of those games where we win by lynching the mod?
This is not one of those games. But wise of you to attempt it.
If only it was...
However we still got 3 dopp to kill a no lynch seems like something a dopp would say. But I also know you're just an Exterminator since you know that would've make you look like the Dopp.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2020, 07:27:25 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 20, 2020, 07:30:45 pm
If Dopps all have a kill action, they can either do their night kill or their own personal one. Therefore, 3 kills.Under normal circumstances, you literally can't be a dopp exterminator: exterminator is a third-party alien type rather than a typical role. If this game somehow does have a scumteam of exterminators, the fact that you know and are so insistent on it means that you, TricMagic, are part of it, because nothing provided in the Intel would indicate that there are anything but eleven serial killers in this town.
Everybody who claimed Exterminator should also claim their tech choices.Just take the Replicator and get an anti-tech field in the small item slot, it'll make you immune to all the fancy tech choices available to everyone else and you'll only have to worry about lynch/nk.
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 07:31:44 pm
Rather obviously, I have Intel.
I only get roles, not alignment last I checked.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 20, 2020, 07:32:30 pm
Another thing is a bit obvious. exterminators can get access to assassins. So that is 6 kills, and 3/6 left. If skipped, this game has a high chance of ending then and there with none of us the victor.So what makes you so convinced there are dopps at all?
Rather obviously, I have Intel.
I only get roles, not alignment last I checked.
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 07:34:34 pm
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3 DOPPELGANGER PODS HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED IN THE STATION CARGO BAYS.
3 eggs, 3 dopps. Unless of course we were lied to. Reguardless, once all three Dopps are killed, I'm going to lynch our employer Mep.
Post by: TricMagic on November 20, 2020, 07:37:29 pm
All: Who is excited?
I am very excited.
TricMagic, Luckyowl, heydude6, juicebox, IcyTea31: I don't know anything about any of you so tell me what I should think about you and why I should believe your own self assessment.
ToonyMan, you were in the previous two Bastard Paranormals and since they were ten and eight years ago I'm sure you have a perfect recollection of them. What clues about the bastardness of this game might those two games suggest?
Also, been a while, nice to see you again, etc. etc.
Shakerag, you were also in the last Bastard Paranormal. wtf is going on? Also stop working and play mafia.
Green, why did you not ask 4maskwolf a question? Wanting our tech lists is pretty sus, as there is a daykill option in there. Perfect for dopps to use to destroy others.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 20, 2020, 07:38:28 pm
Everybody who claimed Exterminator should also claim their tech choices.
Wouldn't it be nice reveal yours first before asking us? With my best guess, I know you, Icytea31, 4maskwolf, and me all chose Intel. I'm not keen on revealing my mediun tech as I it will only help the 3 dopp Exterminators and quite frankly you're on that list.
Post by: webadict on November 20, 2020, 07:44:02 pm
Here's the thing. We actually all can win if we all die, and I'd be willing to set that up. The problem is that someone is going to have to be the one that everyone trusts, and frankly, I doubt everyone is going to trust me.Everybody who claimed Exterminator should also claim their tech choices.
Wouldn't it be nice reveal yours first before asking us? With my best guess, I know you, Icytea31, 4maskwolf, and me all chose Intel. I'm not keen on revealing my mediun tech as I it will only help the 3 dopp Exterminators and quite frankly you're on that list.
Unvote. So, I'd like everyone to change the plan. Please vote for three people in Green who we believe the most in to make that possible. For obvious reasons, you cannot vote yourself.
As such, I trust 4maskwolf and Luckyowl. As a final third pick, I will also pick ToonyMan, because I know if he fucked us over, it'd be funniest.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2020, 07:50:42 pm
Everybody who claimed Exterminator should also claim their tech choices.
Wouldn't it be nice reveal yours first before asking us? With my best guess, I know you, Icytea31, 4maskwolf, and me all chose Intel. I'm not keen on revealing my mediun tech as I it will only help the 3 dopp Exterminators and quite frankly you're on that list.
I didn't claim Exterminator though.
But you're right that I am one and that I also picked Intel. I haven't chosen the Medium tech slot yet.
Green, why did you not ask 4maskwolf a question?
Who the hell is Green?
I didn't feel like asking him a question at the start of the game.
Wanting our tech lists is pretty sus, as there is a daykill option in there. Perfect for dopps to use to destroy others.
The point of requesting for tech choice claims was to feel out why people were so certain everybody was an Exterminator and I basically got the answers I expected.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2020, 07:53:48 pm
plan
This assumes that everybody has the same Exterminator win condition and everybody believes it. Do you believe your win condition?
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2020, 08:05:02 pm
4maskwolf: Jim Groovester, TricMagic
TricMagic: 4maskwolf
Day 1 will go until ~5pm Pacific Monday
Post by: webadict on November 20, 2020, 08:06:39 pm
If I didn't, there would be nothing to believe, and we'd be headless chickens.plan
This assumes that everybody has the same Exterminator win condition and everybody believes it. Do you believe your win condition?
It's also why I don't trust you. I do trust 4maskwolf, because it'd be only something an Intel Ex would say. I'm also doing this because it's the only way I'd actually win, because no way I win an 11-Ex standoff.
Post by: webadict on November 20, 2020, 08:09:57 pm
I'll even willingly lynch myself first.plan
This assumes that everybody has the same Exterminator win condition and everybody believes it. Do you believe your win condition?
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 20, 2020, 08:26:23 pm
One big problem with this line of thought: if there are hidden wincons or other exterminators with different wincons, those with "all others must die" wincons like web and I were screwed from the start. The only way for us to viably win would be what web is suggesting, a TPK where everyone, including ourselves, dies, because otherwise we're playing russian roulette with five barrels loaded even under optimal conditions. Anyone with a different wincon would need very little effort in order to screw up such a TPK (a simple stun bomb would do, a medium tech slot even someone like me could still get) and so the only way we have of viably winning... isn't.plan
This assumes that everybody has the same Exterminator win condition and everybody believes it. Do you believe your win condition?
So, basically, for everyone with the "all others must die" wincon, there's a choice to be made: believe that the setup is a very weird form of the prisoners dilemma, or believe that the game was unwinnable from the start. I choose to believe the former, because if it's the latter there's really no continued point in me being here.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 20, 2020, 08:32:10 pm
Also, I read back through the last couple bastard paranormals, and they aren't Smstr w/ love; everyone knew their wincon from the start, even if there was a wrinkle that made it slightly misleading (in BP 1 there was an actual dopp who'd infiltrated a training session and the wincon of the town was to lynch that dopp rather than fake dopps the flavor would lead you to believe).plan
This assumes that everybody has the same Exterminator win condition and everybody believes it. Do you believe your win condition?
Post by: heydude6 on November 20, 2020, 09:22:56 pm
If I didn't, there would be nothing to believe, and we'd be headless chickens.plan
This assumes that everybody has the same Exterminator win condition and everybody believes it. Do you believe your win condition?
You could disbelieve it, perhaps the win-con is the complete opposite of what was given to us. Maybe the goal is to survive a night without having any of us die. With 11 players, keeping the paranoia under control would be a challenge worthy of a mafia game.
*IMPORTANT PLEASE READ*
That's why I want to vote No-lynch. In addition to this being my hypothesized win-condition, I also believe doing this is our best way of finding out if there is a hidden dop team after all. Dops must kill, for that is their twisted nature, but the 'termies as I shall now call us have the capability to exercise some self-control. I believe this is worth looking into since the opening does say that there 3 dops.
Even if I turn out to be wrong, we can always try the mass-suicide strat next day. If webadict's wincon theory is right (ie. a posthumous victory is possible), then we don't actually all have to die at the same time. 3 of us could die day 2, 4 could die day 3, and the remaining 4 will have a much easier time pulling off a MAD.
Post by: webadict on November 20, 2020, 10:42:18 pm
I'm not okay with No Lynching, because that means we're not thinking. I'm planning to give all my tech to the person with the most green votes, and if you choose not to, you should absolutely be voted out.If I didn't, there would be nothing to believe, and we'd be headless chickens.plan
This assumes that everybody has the same Exterminator win condition and everybody believes it. Do you believe your win condition?
You could disbelieve it, perhaps the win-con is the complete opposite of what was given to us. Maybe the goal is to survive a night without having any of us die. With 11 players, keeping the paranoia under control would be a challenge worthy of a mafia game.
*IMPORTANT PLEASE READ*
That's why I want to vote No-lynch. In addition to this being my hypothesized win-condition, I also believe doing this is our best way of finding out if there is a hidden dop team after all. Dops must kill, for that is their twisted nature, but the 'termies as I shall now call us have the capability to exercise some self-control. I believe this is worth looking into since the opening does say that there 3 dops.
Even if I turn out to be wrong, we can always try the mass-suicide strat next day. If webadict's wincon theory is right (ie. a posthumous victory is possible), then we don't actually all have to die at the same time. 3 of us could die day 2, 4 could die day 3, and the remaining 4 will have a much easier time pulling off a MAD.
Post by: heydude6 on November 20, 2020, 11:19:42 pm
not thinking.
I will dispute that. The point of the no-lynch is to determine if there is a team of dopplegangers (possibly exterminator-dopplegangers) who are trying to work against us. Your plan is a good one, but there is no reason why we can't try it on day 2.
The pod did say there were 3 dopplegangers, and I believe that's worth looking into (ie. thinking about) before we try something as drastic as mass suicide.
My green vote goes to 4maskwolf btw.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2020, 12:22:24 am
Your plan is a good one, but there is no reason why we can't try it on day 2.
Doppelgangers can no kill for two nights.
Quote from: The Rules
The Doppelgangers may choose to skip their night kill. They may only do this twice in a row before their bloodlust forces them to kill.
If the dopps took advantage of this and assuming it wasn't interrupted somehow, we'd find out about a dopp nightkill on Day 4, which is a long way away.
I expect there are more efficient methods to determine whether there are doppelgangers than that.
I'm not okay with No Lynching, because that means we're not thinking. I'm planning to give all my tech to the person with the most green votes, and if you choose not to, you should absolutely be voted out.
Are you willing to share what your plan is? I gather it will involve all of us dying and that it involves these green people and this tidbit I'm quoting, but you haven't explained what you're proposing yet.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2020, 12:36:04 am
Waiting to see if there's a dopp kill is a non-starter as a plan.
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 01:47:13 am
Is your entire goal to WIFOM the Town?Your plan is a good one, but there is no reason why we can't try it on day 2.
Doppelgangers can no kill for two nights.Quote from: The RulesThe Doppelgangers may choose to skip their night kill. They may only do this twice in a row before their bloodlust forces them to kill.
If the dopps took advantage of this and assuming it wasn't interrupted somehow, we'd find out about a dopp nightkill on Day 4, which is a long way away.
I expect there are more efficient methods to determine whether there are doppelgangers than that.I'm not okay with No Lynching, because that means we're not thinking. I'm planning to give all my tech to the person with the most green votes, and if you choose not to, you should absolutely be voted out.
Are you willing to share what your plan is? I gather it will involve all of us dying and that it involves these green people and this tidbit I'm quoting, but you haven't explained what you're proposing yet.
My plan is to give all of our Tech to the chosen player, and then hope they can kill everyone for me.
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 01:55:43 am
It doesn't say there are 3 Dopps. It says there are 3 pods. That would typically indicate 3 Dopps, but this is a Bastard game. The bastardry is that Meph is hinting that there are 3 Dopps, but really, that's a lie, based on the assumption that pods = Dopps. But, that's not true. And that's why I believe 4maskwolf, and will be giving everything to him, because I know that's simply my only way to win.not thinking.
I will dispute that. The point of the no-lynch is to determine if there is a team of dopplegangers (possibly exterminator-dopplegangers) who are trying to work against us. Your plan is a good one, but there is no reason why we can't try it on day 2.
The pod did say there were 3 dopplegangers, and I believe that's worth looking into (ie. thinking about) before we try something as drastic as mass suicide.
My green vote goes to 4maskwolf btw.
Simple as that.
Post by: heydude6 on November 21, 2020, 02:13:01 am
Ninjaed
It doesn't say there are 3 Dopps. It says there are 3 pods. That would typically indicate 3 Dopps, but this is a Bastard game. The bastardry is that Meph is hinting that there are 3 Dopps, but really, that's a lie, based on the assumption that pods = Dopps. But, that's not true. And that's why I believe 4maskwolf, and will be giving everything to him, because I know that's simply my only way to win.not thinking.
I will dispute that. The point of the no-lynch is to determine if there is a team of dopplegangers (possibly exterminator-dopplegangers) who are trying to work against us. Your plan is a good one, but there is no reason why we can't try it on day 2.
The pod did say there were 3 dopplegangers, and I believe that's worth looking into (ie. thinking about) before we try something as drastic as mass suicide.
My green vote goes to 4maskwolf btw.
Simple as that.
The bastardry could also be that you guys got bad intel. Honestly, in a game about lying to players, an item that promises such a massive amount of information would be the first thing I would be suspicious of. Don't you think it's strange that we've "figured out" the gimmick in less than 24 hours?
There's no doubt that there's a lot of exterminators here, but that doesn't mean everybody is one. The intel could have very easily lied, and the non 'termies could easily fake-claim to cover their ass.
Post by: IcyTea31 on November 21, 2020, 02:21:37 am
If those green votes are for whom I'd trust in a prisoner's dilemma and not necessarily just wuba's plan, those would be Luckyowl and TricMagic, in that order. I know TricMagic is a surprising choice due to our highly different ways of thinking, but I fully expect him to be open about his intentions if I ask the right questions.
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 02:59:46 am
Meph, it's clobbering time.
I'm choosing 4maskwolf. I have given him a Plasma Bomb. You will know this is true because I will be dead shortly.
Toodles. I trust you all will make the right decision, but the only way for you to trust me is to die.
Don't trust the flip. I am an Ex. Meph will like show I am a Dopp, but I have just Assassinated myself.
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 03:01:42 am
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 03:03:20 am
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 03:11:48 am
My god, I've always been a murderer... Will these spots ever come out, or will I be trapped within my own Inverness for all tome? Time has no more meaning when you look Death in the face.
How do I believe? Because I have no choice. I never did. You see only the mistrust in others. But I see the truth. And soon, I hope you will, too.
Be well, friends. I am the sacrifice that brings us together. Lock the door behind me. I fear not Cerberus nor Hades. Take my hand in spirit and let us ferry to the afterlife together.
Fare. Thee. Well.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 21, 2020, 03:23:07 am
Post by: heydude6 on November 21, 2020, 03:48:30 am
Anyway, you can’t give 4maskwolf a plasmabomb and assasinate yourself at the same time. You need to at least survive until night to do the trade, and the plasmabomb and daykilling assasin droid are mutually exclusive since they’re both large techs.
Regardless though, since you’re so willing to kill yourself prematurely, clearly you acknowledge the fact that the deaths do not have to be simultaneous for a mutual victory.
Webadict, with this in mind, I think what you are proposing is drastic and should not be the first thing we try. We can always try MAD during later days when there are less players and therefore less potential survivors. For the first day though, I think we should keep trying to find less suicidal solutions. Jim says there should be more efficient methods of checking the existence of dops and I want you to help us figure them out rather than trying to kill us.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 21, 2020, 03:50:16 am
So are you going by Maph in this game?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
@Webadict:
Anyway, ToonyMan, wanna do that thing where we waste time trying to decipher the hidden meaning behind all the things we say?Besides the fact you're probably dead already, I think the hidden meaning in the game text will be useful. My wild guess is going to be hidden win conditions.
@Jim:
ToonyMan, you were in the previous two Bastard Paranormals and since they were ten and eight years ago I'm sure you have a perfect recollection of them. What clues about the bastardness of this game might those two games suggest?I don't remember the details anymore. I should read them again for fun (and clues??). From my vague recollection we're going to be facing something that hasn't appeared in a Paranormal before and the actual game is going to be figuring out what exactly that is, and also winning, winning is good. Killing yourself and leaving it in the hands of everyone else less than 12 hours into the game, not good.
@IcyTea31:
What do you find important about psychics?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 21, 2020, 04:13:36 am
In Bastard Paranormal 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72923.0):
I was a Spore Spreader and didn't understand my role so I lost after surviving the game and not getting Zathras. I think everybody lost in that game except Zathras who kept his true identity as a dopp a secret. The town hunted dopps the entire game and still lost because they were fake. We were being misled by the mod.
In Bastard Paranormal 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=101298.0):
I was a Tough Doppelganger, most people wanted to either escape the spaceship or have at least one person escape the spaceship. The "mafia" team was two traitors who didn't know who the other was and were trying to prevent everyone from escaping on the spaceship. Town almost won but IronyOwl and Jim resonated with each other and secured their traitor victory.
That does mean I have a stellar 0-2 win record so far, but I'm here to change that around!
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 04:13:55 am
Everyone: Show off your psychic abilities: what number am I thinking of?
apricot.Caz: What's your plan for this game?[/qoute]
Literally no idea. Since it's a bastard game don't we have to find out how to win it first? Playing like normal mafia just seems like a good way to- JK GREEN SUS I SAW HIM IN ELECTRICAL FAKING TASKS
I'm still confused at why web is killing himself given that he even says that mod death flips aren't going to be reliable.
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 04:14:26 am
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 04:18:54 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on November 21, 2020, 04:48:29 am
@IcyTea31:Why, finding someone able to falsifiably and repeatably demonstrate psychic abilities would be cause for a scientific revolution!
What do you find important about psychics?
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 04:53:47 am
Post by: RoseHeart on November 21, 2020, 05:05:13 am
So are you going by Maph in this game?
Shit! The ever humble mod must have not noticed my mistake.
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 05:07:14 am
Post by: RoseHeart on November 21, 2020, 05:10:37 am
*gulp*
(fix sent)
Post by: IcyTea31 on November 21, 2020, 08:11:33 am
roseheart
Post by: TricMagic on November 21, 2020, 09:11:01 am
If I didn't, there would be nothing to believe, and we'd be headless chickens.plan
This assumes that everybody has the same Exterminator win condition and everybody believes it. Do you believe your win condition?
You could disbelieve it, perhaps the win-con is the complete opposite of what was given to us. Maybe the goal is to survive a night without having any of us die. With 11 players, keeping the paranoia under control would be a challenge worthy of a mafia game.
*IMPORTANT PLEASE READ*
That's why I want to vote No-lynch. In addition to this being my hypothesized win-condition, I also believe doing this is our best way of finding out if there is a hidden dop team after all. Dops must kill, for that is their twisted nature, but the 'termies as I shall now call us have the capability to exercise some self-control. I believe this is worth looking into since the opening does say that there 3 dops.
Even if I turn out to be wrong, we can always try the mass-suicide strat next day. If webadict's wincon theory is right (ie. a posthumous victory is possible), then we don't actually all have to die at the same time. 3 of us could die day 2, 4 could die day 3, and the remaining 4 will have a much easier time pulling off a MAD.
Surviving a night wouldn't be difficult, all one has to do is drop a stun bomb.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 21, 2020, 09:13:06 am
While I'm pretty sure we all have a natural mind shield (useless in this setup) someone wishing to be particularly clever could get a Replicator as their large item and use it to produce an anti-tech field, which would stop not only a stun bomb but all the other fancy toys people can run around with in a full exterminator game.If I didn't, there would be nothing to believe, and we'd be headless chickens.plan
This assumes that everybody has the same Exterminator win condition and everybody believes it. Do you believe your win condition?
You could disbelieve it, perhaps the win-con is the complete opposite of what was given to us. Maybe the goal is to survive a night without having any of us die. With 11 players, keeping the paranoia under control would be a challenge worthy of a mafia game.
*IMPORTANT PLEASE READ*
That's why I want to vote No-lynch. In addition to this being my hypothesized win-condition, I also believe doing this is our best way of finding out if there is a hidden dop team after all. Dops must kill, for that is their twisted nature, but the 'termies as I shall now call us have the capability to exercise some self-control. I believe this is worth looking into since the opening does say that there 3 dops.
Even if I turn out to be wrong, we can always try the mass-suicide strat next day. If webadict's wincon theory is right (ie. a posthumous victory is possible), then we don't actually all have to die at the same time. 3 of us could die day 2, 4 could die day 3, and the remaining 4 will have a much easier time pulling off a MAD.
Surviving a night wouldn't be difficult, all one has to do is drop a stun bomb.
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 11:29:08 am
Post by: heydude6 on November 21, 2020, 11:34:48 am
Problem with stun bomb is that it would also stop Doppelgangers as well and thus we have no way of susing out their kill. Could still be useful though. Does give me an idea though.
Here’s a basic plan.
We vote no-lynch Day 1, then quicken.
Someone uses stunbomb night 1 to keep us from killing each other.
If anyone dies anyway, the killer is clearly working against our interests and is thus deserving of a lynch day 2, regardless if he is dop or ‘termie.
If there are no killers last night, then vote no-lynch and quicken again. Someone else uses a stunbomb night 2 because we shouldn’t put all of our eggs in the same basket. *glares at Webadict*
Day 3. Any hidden dops will have to kill this night, though I have no idea if a third night without a kill will starve them and thus win us the game regardless.
Day 3 will be our final no-Lynch shorten. No stun bombs this night, unless Meph confirms the starvation possibility. By the end of this night we will have proof of the existence of dops and thus we can focus on killing them rather than each other. As long as we keep shortening, it will not take much real-time. Most players should also still be alive which will hopefully give us the numbers to beat them.
Any problems with the plan?
Post by: Luckyowl on November 21, 2020, 11:41:47 am
Post by: Shakerag on November 21, 2020, 11:54:20 am
Shakerag, you were also in the last Bastard Paranormal. wtf is going on?Yes, and I re-read some of it. Still wish you would have picked up on me having the same goal as you.
It would appear that bastardry is going on. As one would expect.
Quote from: Jim Groovester
Also stop working and play mafia.no u
IcyTea31
Shakerag: True or false? Bastard games require such lopsided thinking that sobriety is necessary to not fall over.You can pry my vodka out of my cold, dead hands.
webadict
Neato. I'll be the only player to assassinate themself with an Assassin Bot. Funny.Assassin bot is a morning-kill though?
Luckyowl:
Ok, I just had a disturbing thought. What if all 11 of us aren't the dopp? And maybe this is some sort of sick twisted form of Battle Royale?Possible, but that's an awfully shallow twist for a Meph bastard game. There's almost certainly more to it than just that.
So, yeah I'm an Exterminator as well with the SK win condition. And a mind shield. I haven't picked my tech choices yet.
Post by: heydude6 on November 21, 2020, 12:01:10 pm
Bastard games require such lopsided thinking that sobriety is necessary to not fall over.
I am quoting out of context, but I fully agree with the sentiment. You can read the full quote in Shakerag's previous post.
Post by: juicebox on November 21, 2020, 12:09:51 pm
All: Who is excited?
I am very excited.
TricMagic, Luckyowl, heydude6, juicebox, IcyTea31: I don't know anything about any of you so tell me what I should think about you and why I should believe your own self assessment.
ToonyMan, you were in the previous two Bastard Paranormals and since they were ten and eight years ago I'm sure you have a perfect recollection of them. What clues about the bastardness of this game might those two games suggest?
Also, been a while, nice to see you again, etc. etc.
Shakerag, you were also in the last Bastard Paranormal. wtf is going on? Also stop working and play mafia.
I am also very excited.
What do I say about myself? You should think about me as someone who enjoys playing mafia and is looking for a fun experience no matter the role. In this particular session, you should think of me as a town player who wants to find scum and lynch them. And why should you believe my self assessment? Well if you look at the way I play the game, you will see all the evidence you need.
Post by: TricMagic on November 21, 2020, 12:13:21 pm
It should also be noted it may be possible Dopps don't know who each other are, so.. Lynching is still the best tool
Post by: juicebox on November 21, 2020, 12:17:25 pm
I was going to sleep a night before making an opening post, but insomnia struck. Here's something to mull over:
Everyone: Show off your psychic abilities: what number am I thinking of?
Caz: What's your plan for this game?
TricMagic: What did you mean by "prove me wrong"?
4maskwolf: What information do you expect to receive from reactions to your claim?
Shakerag: True or false? Bastard games require such lopsided thinking that sobriety is necessary to not fall over.
Luckyowl: If you were scum, which player would you most like to be scumbuddies with?
webadict: I see what you're doing. I tried that strategy in the Champs, and it didn't work for me. What do you plan to do differently?
heydude6: Which player are you most afraid of?
juicebox: How are you going to deal with the bastardry of this game?
Toonyman: Why am I not asking you a question?
Mephansteras: Is this one of those games where we win by lynching the mod?All: Who is excited?Excitement is for people who sleep.QuoteTricMagic, Luckyowl, heydude6, juicebox, IcyTea31: I don't know anything about any of you so tell me what I should think about you and why I should believe your own self assessment.You should wholly ignore all of my posts so that you won't notice you've been caught before the rope is around your neck. And no, you shouldn't believe me. Belief is for when you don't know for sure. And you know all about who's town and who's scum, don't you?
It depends on what said bastardry is. Until I have a clearer view of what the setup is and what tricks meph has up his sleeve for us, I'll just treat this like a regular mafia game.
Post by: juicebox on November 21, 2020, 12:18:01 pm
I was going to sleep a night before making an opening post, but insomnia struck. Here's something to mull over:
Everyone: Show off your psychic abilities: what number am I thinking of?
Caz: What's your plan for this game?
TricMagic: What did you mean by "prove me wrong"?
4maskwolf: What information do you expect to receive from reactions to your claim?
Shakerag: True or false? Bastard games require such lopsided thinking that sobriety is necessary to not fall over.
Luckyowl: If you were scum, which player would you most like to be scumbuddies with?
webadict: I see what you're doing. I tried that strategy in the Champs, and it didn't work for me. What do you plan to do differently?
heydude6: Which player are you most afraid of?
juicebox: How are you going to deal with the bastardry of this game?
Toonyman: Why am I not asking you a question?
Mephansteras: Is this one of those games where we win by lynching the mod?All: Who is excited?Excitement is for people who sleep.QuoteTricMagic, Luckyowl, heydude6, juicebox, IcyTea31: I don't know anything about any of you so tell me what I should think about you and why I should believe your own self assessment.You should wholly ignore all of my posts so that you won't notice you've been caught before the rope is around your neck. And no, you shouldn't believe me. Belief is for when you don't know for sure. And you know all about who's town and who's scum, don't you?
oops missed the top part. You're thinking of the number 42
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2020, 12:20:27 pm
Is your entire goal to WIFOM the Town?
Thinking things through isn't WIFOMing the town.
I'm choosing 4maskwolf. I have given him a Plasma Bomb. You will know this is true because I will be dead shortly.
No you didn't.
Quote
Alien Tech can be passed between players as long as both players agree to the trade. This must be done via PM at Night. Tech can be used the night it is passed, but can only be used by one person per night (if it is a multi-use item).
Don't trust the flip. I am an Ex. Meph will like show I am a Dopp, but I have just Assassinated myself.
This is inconsistent with what you were saying yesterday about having to trusting available information since otherwise there'd be nothing to trust.
Also, I enjoy you accusing me of WIFOMing the town and then saying things like 'dont trust my dopp flip guys'. Not even being sarcastic. This is fun.
I'll take you at your word that you want to die and that you've already given your tech to 4maskwolf. From what I gather you've already accomplished your goal, and therefore when you die is inconsequential, so I'll help you die faster. webadict.
I'm still confused at why web is killing himself given that he even says that mod death flips aren't going to be reliable.
What do you think he's trying to do then?
Jim and Toonyman: did you guys arrive on the pods?
Negative. Did you?
Quote from: Jim GroovesterAlso stop working and play mafia.no u
I don't go back to work until the 30th!
What now, Shakerag!?
Day 3. Any hidden dops will have to kill this night, though I have no idea if a third night without a kill will starve them and thus win us the game regardless.
Day 3 will be our final no-Lynch shorten. No stun bombs this night, unless Meph confirms the starvation possibility. By the end of this night we will have proof of the existence of dops and thus we can focus on killing them rather than each other. As long as we keep shortening, it will not take much real-time. Most players should also still be alive which will hopefully give us the numbers to beat them.
Any problems with the plan?
Yes. I was thinking along these lines last night and sent some PMs to Meph.
Dopps will be compelled to kill after two nights of no kills, but they do not suffer a penalty if they are interrupted. I don't see a reason why a hypothetical dopp team couldn't block their own dopp kill in this scenario.
This is not a reliable plan to expose the existence of a dopp team.
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 12:33:46 pm
I see. Well then I will simply plasma bomb the player I least like.
Right now, it is Jim Groovester. How dare you WIFOM people into thinking I'm a crazed lunatic. Second up is TricMagic, for saying 4maskwolf is suspicious for pointing out how to win the game.
Like, all y'all are missing the obvious forest for fucking branches. The way everyone wins is by dying.
4maskwolf is also correct that I have a Mind Shield. Like, I don't understand why you guys are so afraid if so much matches. The bastardry in the setup was thinking there were 3 Dopps. We're all here to kill each other.
Your only other choice is to No Kill, but I plan to murder people tonight. So, I'm taking that option off the table.
Ok, I just had a disturbing thought. What if all 11 of us aren't the dopp? And maybe this is some sort of sick twisted form of Battle Royale?Wow, I never thought of that!
LuckyOwl You aren't the only person to have had that thought. The reason why I don't put much stock into it though is because that would be too simple for a bastard game. In bastard games,you have to throw away primitive tools like Ockham's razor here.... Okay, heydude6. You can go now.Bastard games require such lopsided thinking that sobriety is necessary to not fall over.
I am quoting out of context, but I fully agree with the sentiment. You can read the full quote in Shakerag's previous post.
Post by: juicebox on November 21, 2020, 12:57:34 pm
Ok, I just had a disturbing thought. What if all 11 of us aren't the dopp? And maybe this is some sort of sick twisted form of Battle Royale?
I thought this was an Among Us parody, not a Fortnite parody.
Post by: IcyTea31 on November 21, 2020, 12:58:57 pm
Possible, but that's an awfully shallow twist for a Meph bastard game. There's almost certainly more to it than just that.This is a great point. This is outguessing the mod, but I don't think something that can be mechanically confirmed with a choice possible to make in the first minutes of the game (as some apparently did) can be the only twist. Wanna join the roseheart wagon?
It depends on what said bastardry is. Until I have a clearer view of what the setup is and what tricks meph has up his sleeve for us, I'll just treat this like a regular mafia game.So you won't go out of your way to try to figure out the bastardry?
Post by: Luckyowl on November 21, 2020, 01:34:37 pm
LuckyOwl You aren't the only person to have had that thought. The reason why I don't put much stock into it though is because that would be too simple for a bastard game. In bastard games,you have to throw away primitive tools like Ockham's razor here.Bastard games require such lopsided thinking that sobriety is necessary to not fall over.
I am quoting out of context, but I fully agree with the sentiment. You can read the full quote in Shakerag's previous post.
I'm all for thinking outside the box. But one should consider thinking inside the box. Sure the idea is 'simple' but the more you choose not to consider it the higher the chance to get caught off guard. two flaws most of us humans bare, is arrogant, and overthinking. That is what plague us. Maybe you're right, maybe this is more to it than what meets the eyes, but we don't know yet and as it stands it's best to start with a simple idea and when more information reveals itself we can steer to a more complex scenario. However this Day1 and all we have are unproven theories the best thing to do now is to vote for a No lynch day.
I like the plan to kill everyone at once, but at this point idk who I would actually trust. If I had to choose right now, I would say 4mask or TricOk, I just had a disturbing thought. What if all 11 of us aren't the dopp? And maybe this is some sort of sick twisted form of Battle Royale?
I thought this was an Among Us parody, not a Fortnite parody.
I was thinking about the Japanese move Battle Royale, but sure it's possible it's a Fortnite parody in SPACE.
Post by: TricMagic on November 21, 2020, 01:37:35 pm
Right now my scumlist is Heydude and 4mask. No Lynching and allowing Dopps anywhere from 3 to 6 kills? 9 if they have both bots.
It should also be noted it may be possible Dopps don't know who each other are, so.. Lynching is still the best tool
You now have the dubious honor of being number 3 on my list Luckyowl. That's 3 scum/dopps voting to skip.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 21, 2020, 01:40:01 pm
Right now my scumlist is Heydude and 4mask. No Lynching and allowing Dopps anywhere from 3 to 6 kills? 9 if they have both bots.
It should also be noted it may be possible Dopps don't know who each other are, so.. Lynching is still the best tool
You now have the dubious honor of being number 3 on my list Luckyowl. That's 3 scum/dopps voting to skip.
It's fine, I'll prove my innocent when the night game comes around.
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 01:44:08 pm
You should read the opening post. Bastard Paranormal is a game where you need to figure out how to win. We can win. We kill everyone. But, I think everyone is outguessing the outguess, by thinking it's not that simple.Possible, but that's an awfully shallow twist for a Meph bastard game. There's almost certainly more to it than just that.This is a great point. This is outguessing the mod, but I don't think something that can be mechanically confirmed with a choice possible to make in the first minutes of the game (as some apparently did) can be the only twist. Wanna join the roseheart wagon?It depends on what said bastardry is. Until I have a clearer view of what the setup is and what tricks meph has up his sleeve for us, I'll just treat this like a regular mafia game.So you won't go out of your way to try to figure out the bastardry?
Likely, the obvious twist is that we are in a Battle Royale situation: 11 people enter, 1 leaves. There are two ways to counteract that. The first is to kill no one. Frankly, I don't think that will be possible, and I aim to actively make it impossible, because if people can't accept the obvious premise of 11 Ex, then no way they'd accept not killing. The second is to kill everyone. I see this as an easier alternative, because I plan to buy holdout blasters and give them to 4maskwolf or shoot anyone that lynches me, and I plan to explode a plasma bomb on the person that most vehemently disagrees with the plan.
It's unfortunate that I can't implement plan 1, because it would likely prove the theory. So, plan 2 it will be.
See, this is why I'd be okay trusting Luckyowl, but simultaneously against it, because I am always afraid that Lucky lives in our next door dimension.Right now my scumlist is Heydude and 4mask. No Lynching and allowing Dopps anywhere from 3 to 6 kills? 9 if they have both bots.
It should also be noted it may be possible Dopps don't know who each other are, so.. Lynching is still the best tool
You now have the dubious honor of being number 3 on my list Luckyowl. That's 3 scum/dopps voting to skip.
It's fine, I'll prove my innocent when the night game comes around.
Post by: heydude6 on November 21, 2020, 01:55:45 pm
Right now my scumlist is Heydude and 4mask. No Lynching and allowing Dopps anywhere from 3 to 6 kills? 9 if they have both bots.
It should also be noted it may be possible Dopps don't know who each other are, so.. Lynching is still the best tool
Tric if I was a dop, why would I be one of the only few people advocating for a dop hunt? Most people are convinced that there are none and in such a situation, my best play would be to try to keep it that way if I was the enemy.
As a dop, I would have no fear of webadict's plan because I could just daykill the person he plans to give the tech to with an Advanced-Assasin droid 1 hour before the vote-deadline. There wouldn't be enough time to decide on another candidate.
Long-story short, I'm not a dop because I would be a bloody stupid one.
Webadict. Ultimately, the reason why I disagree your plan is because if there are dops, they can easily stop it. If there are no dops though, there's nothing stopping us from trying it in day 2 or 3 when we have more information. For some reason you are incredibly insistent on us pulling this off during night 1.
Post by: heydude6 on November 21, 2020, 01:59:13 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 21, 2020, 02:05:15 pm
heydude6: TricMagic, webadict
Luckyowl: Luckyowl
TricMagic: 4maskwolf
webadict: Jim Groovester
No Lynch: heydude6
Roseheart is not a valid lynch target.
Day 1 Ends ~5pm Pacific Monday
Post by: TricMagic on November 21, 2020, 02:07:59 pm
For webadict, the mind control is why that plan doesn't work.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 21, 2020, 02:12:58 pm
So nothing to do with your required mind shield?@IcyTea31:Why, finding someone able to falsifiably and repeatably demonstrate psychic abilities would be cause for a scientific revolution!
What do you find important about psychics?
Jim and Toonyman: did you guys arrive on the pods?No.
@Webadict:
Why do you think you'll flip as a dopp? Will our game end after three measly deaths?
Look guys, while it's possible we all have the same sk role, I find it extremely doubtful that's the whole truth so either:
1. Most of us have the same role but some of us are lying because they have a different win condition.
2. All of us have the same role but there's a hidden mechanic going on because bastard.
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 02:33:57 pm
Webadict, let me try to ask you an earnest question. Why do you want to pull this plan off during Night 1?...? I don't. I think we need to start planning now, because I am likely going to die. I am literally trying to win, because I know my chances of living tonight are basically 0, so my only hope is starting a plan before I die.
I have no assurance that other mechanics exist that could hide my flip. That's why I planned to kill myself Day 1, so that everyone would be assured of 4mask's info. Unfortunately, coming up with a plan at 2AM had some flaws that Meph pointed out before I could use it.So nothing to do with your required mind shield?@IcyTea31:Why, finding someone able to falsifiably and repeatably demonstrate psychic abilities would be cause for a scientific revolution!
What do you find important about psychics?Jim and Toonyman: did you guys arrive on the pods?No.
@Webadict:
Why do you think you'll flip as a dopp? Will our game end after three measly deaths?
Look guys, while it's possible we all have the same sk role, I find it extremely doubtful that's the whole truth so either:
1. Most of us have the same role but some of us are lying because they have a different win condition.
2. All of us have the same role but there's a hidden mechanic going on because bastard.
I doubt the game ends after three deaths. The only possibility where the mod isn't lying about Dopps is some weird case of Dopp-Exterminators, which I suppose is possibly, but, like... that's still a FFA with a 3-man team, and I doubt the DEs in that case win if they die, so I don't plan to entertain it as a possibility, especially since we've still got an issue that the No Kill plan doesn't fix.
Thus, the only way I win is by killing everyone. 4mask didn't overthink the info, it confirms what I know, and everyone else should be satisifed that 4mask is at least mostly correct. I just believe it completely because it makes the most sense.
I think anyone that does overthink it is suspicious, because they have more information than the rest of us. Which is why I will be killing people tonight. Your only hope of stopping that is lynching me, but by then, the cycle begins, because I will be dead.
There is no way to avoid killing.
So, we must all die.
Post by: juicebox on November 21, 2020, 02:36:20 pm
Possible, but that's an awfully shallow twist for a Meph bastard game. There's almost certainly more to it than just that.This is a great point. This is outguessing the mod, but I don't think something that can be mechanically confirmed with a choice possible to make in the first minutes of the game (as some apparently did) can be the only twist. Wanna join the roseheart wagon?It depends on what said bastardry is. Until I have a clearer view of what the setup is and what tricks meph has up his sleeve for us, I'll just treat this like a regular mafia game.So you won't go out of your way to try to figure out the bastardry?
What I mean is that I try to scumhunt as normal until it becomes apparent, as in this case, that normal scumhunting may not be the best tactic to apply
Post by: TricMagic on November 21, 2020, 02:44:28 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 21, 2020, 02:47:22 pm
I do wonder why you attribute 4mask's info as theirs. Point being the did falseclaim in response to my post.At least Jim and webadict got the joke.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 21, 2020, 02:59:55 pm
Post by: Shakerag on November 21, 2020, 03:23:33 pm
More to the point, though, at this point I don't see a convincing reason not to simply go for the "everybody dies" ending. If there are people out there with contradictory wincons to that, then there's nothing I can do about it anyway, since the only way for SK-type Exterminators to have control of their destiny is to work together for a TPK. If there are other mechanics in play then they better be revealed soon, with the setup as-is it's entirely possible for the game to end by D2 before anyone not in the know figures out what's going on. People keep saying "don't try and outguess the mods" while trying to do exactly that, deciding that the setup they see in front of them is "too simple" and that there must be a bigger trick behind it without providing any actual evidence for there being a bigger trick. And, quite frankly, I agree with webadict that anyone insisting there's something bigger going on is sus: while there's almost certainly a lot of Leafsnail-style paranoia in a lot of those claims, it also hints that those people might have knowledge beyond what's available to the SK-type Exterminators.
I'm inclined to agree, although I would like to see some flips first to see what shakes out.
I disagree with your last sentence only just because the last two bastard paranormal games had a significant twist to them, so I'm just extrapolating from previous data.
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 03:32:35 pm
Right now my scumlist is Heydude and 4mask. No Lynching and allowing Dopps anywhere from 3 to 6 kills? 9 if they have both bots.
It should also be noted it may be possible Dopps don't know who each other are, so.. Lynching is still the best tool
are you purposefully missing the part of the plan where stun bomb is used to stop all nightkills?
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 03:43:18 pm
I'm still confused at why web is killing himself given that he even says that mod death flips aren't going to be reliable.
What do you think he's trying to do then?
It's webadict. who the hell knows? there'll probably be some reveal about what he's doing 10 pages later after we're all dead and he's somehow secured victory.
Jim and Toonyman: did you guys arrive on the pods?
Negative. Did you?
nah, apparently it was pretty easy to sneak in.
anyway - on 'the plan'. i'm not liking the 'let's just start killing everyone and see what happens' plan. what's wrong with NLing and stun bombing to see if there's any time-sensitive events? i don't buy the 'if everyone dies we all win!' crap either.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 21, 2020, 03:47:47 pm
anyway - on 'the plan'. i'm not liking the 'let's just start killing everyone and see what happens' plan. what's wrong with NLing and stun bombing to see if there's any time-sensitive events? i don't buy the 'if everyone dies we all win!' crap either.Mephansteras: If a player's win condition is "you win when all other players are dead" would they win if all players were dead, including themselves?
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 03:54:49 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 21, 2020, 03:55:03 pm
anyway - on 'the plan'. i'm not liking the 'let's just start killing everyone and see what happens' plan. what's wrong with NLing and stun bombing to see if there's any time-sensitive events? i don't buy the 'if everyone dies we all win!' crap either.Mephansteras: If a player's win condition is "you win when all other players are dead" would they win if all players were dead, including themselves?
That win condition does not require the player to be alive themselves.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 21, 2020, 03:56:08 pm
on another note: what's the deal with the mind shields? if we are all apparently exterminators using tech only, what is the point of mind shield existing?That's part of the joke of the game: since we're all exterminators, we got given the useless shield rather than the viable one so we could kill each other more easily.
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 03:57:57 pm
let us join the prayer circle of peace. how about it?
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 03:58:56 pm
More to the point, though, at this point I don't see a convincing reason not to simply go for the "everybody dies" ending. If there are people out there with contradictory wincons to that, then there's nothing I can do about it anyway, since the only way for SK-type Exterminators to have control of their destiny is to work together for a TPK. If there are other mechanics in play then they better be revealed soon, with the setup as-is it's entirely possible for the game to end by D2 before anyone not in the know figures out what's going on. People keep saying "don't try and outguess the mods" while trying to do exactly that, deciding that the setup they see in front of them is "too simple" and that there must be a bigger trick behind it without providing any actual evidence for there being a bigger trick. And, quite frankly, I agree with webadict that anyone insisting there's something bigger going on is sus: while there's almost certainly a lot of Leafsnail-style paranoia in a lot of those claims, it also hints that those people might have knowledge beyond what's available to the SK-type Exterminators.Exactly the correct mindset. You cannot find more information because there isn't a source to get it from except for Meph and each other. But, Meph doesn't have extra info. And I don't. So, killing each other is the right choice. But, all of my info says everyone needs to die, and that's the method I have to go on. It's really easy as pie to me.
Do I look like a man with a plan? I don't even have to plan everything here. That's the beauty of my plan. It relies on keeping someone else alive and then dying and waiting for those beautiful Zorkmids to come flowing in. I can't get everyone to win by being alive for exactly the reason you're saying: Everyone thinks I have thirteen plans up my sleeve. I don't. My plan is that I'm gonna bomb Jim Groovester if I don't get lynched, and if I do get lynched, I'm planning on shooting someone with my Hold-Out Blaster. People gotta die.I'm still confused at why web is killing himself given that he even says that mod death flips aren't going to be reliable.
What do you think he's trying to do then?
It's webadict. who the hell knows? there'll probably be some reveal about what he's doing 10 pages later after we're all dead and he's somehow secured victory.
oh... wonderfulCan't do it. I'm killing people because I can't trust everyone not to kill.
let us join the prayer circle of peace. how about it?
Ironic.
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 04:05:48 pm
you monsters
Post by: TricMagic on November 21, 2020, 04:06:30 pm
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 04:07:42 pm
at least even if i'm dead my fee will go back to my sick children on the habitation dome so they can pay for proper air filters.You think you're the only one here with children being held captive in a storage locker? They cost money to keep alive!
you monsters
Post by: RoseHeart on November 21, 2020, 04:14:54 pm
Roseheart is not a valid lynch target.
*lowers blaster helmet*
"Rolling!"
Post by: ToonyMan on November 21, 2020, 05:30:53 pm
More to the point, though, at this point I don't see a convincing reason not to simply go for the "everybody dies" ending. If there are people out there with contradictory wincons to that, then there's nothing I can do about it anyway, since the only way for SK-type Exterminators to have control of their destiny is to work together for a TPK. If there are other mechanics in play then they better be revealed soon, with the setup as-is it's entirely possible for the game to end by D2 before anyone not in the know figures out what's going on. People keep saying "don't try and outguess the mods" while trying to do exactly that, deciding that the setup they see in front of them is "too simple" and that there must be a bigger trick behind it without providing any actual evidence for there being a bigger trick. And, quite frankly, I agree with webadict that anyone insisting there's something bigger going on is sus: while there's almost certainly a lot of Leafsnail-style paranoia in a lot of those claims, it also hints that those people might have knowledge beyond what's available to the SK-type Exterminators.
I disagree with your last sentence only just because the last two bastard paranormal games had a significant twist to them, so I'm just extrapolating from previous data.I agree with Shakerag over 4mask here, there's definitely a gimmick whether or not some people are lying. I think no-lynching is stupid, since even if we all want everyone dead it'll be easier with less people and if not everybody is in on the Exterminator joke then even better to lynch them out. Of course, being one of those last Exterminators makes your victory more guaranteed if somebody decides to be a dick.
Because it's funny. It also means somebody lying could fake-claim more safely.on another note: what's the deal with the mind shields? if we are all apparently exterminators using tech only, what is the point of mind shield existing?That's part of the joke of the game: since we're all exterminators, we got given the useless shield rather than the viable one so we could kill each other more easily.
@Players who want to no-lynch and stun bomb each night:
Hypothetically, who's going to do the stun bomb each night? Can you trust they will?
Post by: TricMagic on November 21, 2020, 05:36:29 pm
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 06:07:58 pm
@Players who want to no-lynch and stun bomb each night:
Hypothetically, who's going to do the stun bomb each night? Can you trust they will?
It has less variables than a plan that ensures everyone dies on the same night.
Post by: TricMagic on November 21, 2020, 06:13:48 pm
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 06:15:03 pm
Post by: heydude6 on November 21, 2020, 06:23:33 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 21, 2020, 06:25:02 pm
Less players = less variables too.@Players who want to no-lynch and stun bomb each night:It has less variables than a plan that ensures everyone dies on the same night.
Hypothetically, who's going to do the stun bomb each night? Can you trust they will?
And if there's no doppelgangers because that was just a ruse to get 12 exerminators into the same arena?How do we win if nobody dies? Don't you want to avoid kills to prove the dopps exist in the first place?
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 06:36:30 pm
How do we win if nobody dies?
Dunno yet. This has been billed as a game where you have to 'figure out how to win', but we're all accepting that we got told how to win already in our role PM?
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 06:42:35 pm
And the alternative? That we ignore our role PMs?How do we win if nobody dies?
Dunno yet. This has been billed as a game where you have to 'figure out how to win', but we're all accepting that we got told how to win already in our role PM?
Post by: Caz on November 21, 2020, 07:03:31 pm
And the alternative? That we ignore our role PMs?How do we win if nobody dies?
Dunno yet. This has been billed as a game where you have to 'figure out how to win', but we're all accepting that we got told how to win already in our role PM?
Or work actively against them. Didn't you hear the guy laughing on the phone?
Post by: Shakerag on November 21, 2020, 07:10:59 pm
heydude6
I can ride this train.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 21, 2020, 07:25:02 pm
I did, yes. But considering the context, I'd say it's more likely related to the prank of eleven exterminators in one game than us having straight up false wincons.And the alternative? That we ignore our role PMs?How do we win if nobody dies?
Dunno yet. This has been billed as a game where you have to 'figure out how to win', but we're all accepting that we got told how to win already in our role PM?
Or work actively against them. Didn't you hear the guy laughing on the phone?
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 08:02:54 pm
That was also my takeaway.I did, yes. But considering the context, I'd say it's more likely related to the prank of eleven exterminators in one game than us having straight up false wincons.And the alternative? That we ignore our role PMs?How do we win if nobody dies?
Dunno yet. This has been billed as a game where you have to 'figure out how to win', but we're all accepting that we got told how to win already in our role PM?
Or work actively against them. Didn't you hear the guy laughing on the phone?
If we subscribe to nihilism and assume that our role PMs are wrong, then we might as well not accept that we're in a game, and that there aren't any concept off Days or Nights, and that there's nothing stopping me from using the Plasma Bomb I have right now.
I use the Plasma Bomb on everyone.
See, but the game has rules. We're in normal rules. The game is a normal game. The issue isn't the game. It's that the wincon for everyone is the same, and the only way everyone wins is by everyone dying.
That's the bastardry. The bastardry is that there's no bastardry. A bastard mod would tell you the game is a bastard game and then only lie about opening post.
Man, I bet if you just ask:
Hey Meph, are there three Doppelgangers on the ship?
I bet the bastard will just be like, "lol, fuck no." Because that's what bastard mods do. They just fuck with you in the open. But, if you send everyone a PM that says your wincon is this, and then the wincon is really the exact opposite or something non-intuitive, then it stops being a bastard game. It becomes Moon Logic. At that point, we should simply do whatever the fuck we want, and then organize a campaign for Ship Mayor, because Exterminators.
Therefore, it's backwards logic to think everything is a lie. You should start off on the assumption that the things that are lies are the things that make sense to be lies. Your role PMs? Those aren't lies. The opening post? Definitely a lie. Because if your role PM lies, then you can't do anything. And if the opening post is true then you still need to kill people.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 21, 2020, 08:10:46 pm
Hey Meph, are there three Doppelgangers on the ship?
The station alarm system has stated that three doppelganger pods were found in the cargo holds.
Post by: heydude6 on November 21, 2020, 08:12:59 pm
Win Condition: You win when all other exterminators are dead. They win when all of you are dead
Anyway, that’s just a thought. Right now, I want to talk discuss the matter of obtaining more information. Right now I’ve got 2 theories.
Theory 1: More information will be obtained when the day passes
Theory 2: More information will be obtained when someone dies
Of the two, I think theory 2 is more likely unfortunately. Though I’ve been advocating for the pacifist approach for a while now, it’s becoming more clear that it probably isn’t going to work out and I don’t think Meph was expecting it to work out either.
chugga chugga choo choo
heydude6
I can ride this train.
If we’re going to kill people though, I don’t think it should be me. I’ve been a very active player so far and one of the only people thinking of solutions besides mass suicide. You may take that as a mark against me, but Tric also feels this way and he hasn’t said as much to back it up as I have.
Anyway, I want to move this game forward a little so let me just do something.
Post by: heydude6 on November 21, 2020, 08:20:35 pm
Post by: heydude6 on November 21, 2020, 08:25:27 pm
Post by: juicebox on November 21, 2020, 08:45:10 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2020, 08:50:32 pm
Meph, is it possible for players to have hidden win conditions?
I expect to be equivocated to about this. If Meph confirms with a hard no that there are no hidden win conditions then the mass suicide strategy is the most logical course of action. But at that point we're not even playing a game anymore since it would be a trivial exercise to set up a night plan that ended up with all of us dying.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 21, 2020, 09:05:43 pm
Meph, is it possible for players to have hidden win conditions?
All players current win conditions are accurately reflected in their Role PM.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 21, 2020, 09:06:08 pm
4maskwolf and webadict, do you think there are dopps in this game? I don't care if you think the question is irrelevant.I think that of all the possible places we could have been lied to, the presence of dopps is the most likely. For one, their presence is only attested to in the flavor of the game, there is no mechanical attestation of their presence like there is for an eleven exterminator setup. Secondly, the setup is just... weird if you allow for the presence of dopps. If there's a true three-dopp team hidden among us, using typical dopp roles, and those of us who took Intel were mechanically lied to, there's basically nothing any individual team (counting each exterminator as their own individual team) could really do to influence the outcome with that many kills flying around in every direction. If the setup violates the typical paranormal rules and permits the presence of dopp exterminators, then the game is wildly unbalanced in favor of the dopp team, who are not facing a "town" of exterminators but eight individual serial killers whose only chance to win, under those game circumstances, is to avoid working together in hopes of being the last one standing, as any plan made by the non-scum players can be easily subverted by a coordinated scumteam. As Tricmagic has said repeatedly, a team of dopp exterminators could easily make six kills by the end of N1 (I'm not sure if you can use a regular assassin bot and a regular exterminator nightkill on the same night) and with only eight players opposing them... not great odds. Thirdly, there's significant precedent for bastard paranormals not having a traditional Paranormal-style scumteam: in BP1 the "scumteam" was a red herring that the town was supposed to realize when the real scum killed, only for the real scum to avoid killing long enough that the town never learned the trick of the game, and in BP2 the dopps were part of the town trying to escape with the humans and lacked any kind of killing ability.
Meph, is it possible for players to have hidden win conditions?
I expect to be equivocated to about this. If Meph confirms with a hard no that there are no hidden win conditions then the mass suicide strategy is the most logical course of action. But at that point we're not even playing a game anymore since it would be a trivial exercise to set up a night plan that ended up with all of us dying.
So no, I do not believe there are dopps in this game, or if there are, I don't think they're anything close to a traditional scumteam.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2020, 09:12:46 pm
Meph, is it possible for players to have hidden win conditions?
All players current win conditions are accurately reflected in their Role PM.
This is not quite the answer I was expecting. "Current" makes me a little paranoid like the win conditions could change.
But if my current win condition is accurate then I have to play to that.
Mass suicide it is.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2020, 09:16:07 pm
Post by: juicebox on November 21, 2020, 09:52:24 pm
I still feel like there is something else going on, but I guess we'll find out if that's the case after we're all dead.
Post by: Shakerag on November 21, 2020, 10:35:38 pm
Post by: Shakerag on November 21, 2020, 10:38:05 pm
I think no lynch is still a bad idea on D1, bastardness or not.
Post by: webadict on November 21, 2020, 11:29:58 pm
To elaborate, since no one is claiming anything weird, the best info we're gonna get is from flips (or so I hope) so unraveling any additional bastardness (if there is any) will really start on D2.Alright, who would you like to lynch then?
I think no lynch is still a bad idea on D1, bastardness or not.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 21, 2020, 11:44:40 pm
As you debate a vent opens silently in the ceiling.
(https://i.imgur.com/dx4fh9a.png)
A small, spider like bot drops down and lands on Tricmagic . A long blade stabs down into him, and he screams in pain. He reaches around, trying to get a hold on it.
A bright light on the back of the robot blinks rapidly, and those nearby back up quickly.
Moments later, an explosion splatters blood and gore across the wall and the bot completes its job.
You check out the body, and he is clearly an Alien Exterminator. It seems someone had it out for him, or perhaps just wanted to get things kicked off with a bang.
Tricmagic has died.
Post by: webadict on November 22, 2020, 12:22:24 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2020, 12:22:55 am
Did we learn anything? Doesn't feel like it.
Post by: webadict on November 22, 2020, 12:25:55 am
Neat.I mean, it sorta confirmed everything I thought I knew, so... yeah, not really.
Did we learn anything? Doesn't feel like it.
Post by: webadict on November 22, 2020, 01:03:59 am
Post by: Caz on November 22, 2020, 04:23:21 am
Anyway, I want to move this game forward a little so let me just do something.
So that was you, yes?
Post by: heydude6 on November 22, 2020, 05:14:22 am
I’m certainly gonna get lynched for this, but that doesn’t really matter if mass-suicide is the win-condition. He was one of the few people who was against that plan so now there’s less people to interfere with it.
If more information comes up, we’ll probably see it during day 2. Seems like we’ve done the best we could for day 1 though.
Post by: Caz on November 22, 2020, 05:32:58 am
Right now I’ve got 2 theories.
Theory 1: More information will be obtained when the day passes
Theory 2: More information will be obtained when someone dies
Of the two, I think theory 2 is more likely unfortunately. Though I’ve been advocating for the pacifist approach for a while now, it’s becoming more clear that it probably isn’t going to work out and I don’t think Meph was expecting it to work out either.
Since theory 2 didn't work can we try theory 1 now? prayer circle guys :(
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 22, 2020, 05:34:18 am
Indeed. I was hoping Tric’s death would reveal something new to us, but a lack of a reveal is also quite telling. I chose to do it now rather than wait for the lynch because I wanted us to be able to discuss the implications before the first night. If we waited till the lynch we would be shocked by the lack of information, but be unable to discuss it and perhaps do something unwise. Honestly, I’m surprised by this outcome, I was hoping that we’d learn something.He was also the least interesting person you could have killed as far as "is there something more going on with this game". He was the first one to mention the eleven exterminator intel and thus the most likely to be exactly what he said on the tin, ridiculous paranoia aside.
I’m certainly gonna get lynched for this, but that doesn’t really matter if mass-suicide is the win-condition. He was one of the few people who was against that plan so now there’s less people to interfere with it.
If more information comes up, we’ll probably see it during day 2. Seems like we’ve done the best we could for day 1 though.
Post by: heydude6 on November 22, 2020, 07:01:16 am
Ideological purity was my biggest reason for killing Tric though. He was opposed to mass suicide so I thought I’d eliminate someone who could potentially go against the plan, just like webadict is planning to do. I was honestly thinking of killing you too Caz, but I didn’t want to risk you having anti-tech.
He was also the least interesting person you could have killed as far as "is there something more going on with this game". He was the first one to mention the eleven exterminator intel and thus the most likely to be exactly what he said on the tin, ridiculous paranoia aside.
I thought we would get meaningful intel if we killed anyone honestly. My crack theory was that the psychic presence in the role PM was simply making us think we were exterminators, even if we weren’t. So if we killed someone, their flip would reveal their true role and alignment. Speaking of those lines, I think it makes sense for one person in the group to purchase an advanced-mind shield just to eliminate that possibility. We rationalized disbelieving the opening message by simply saying they were doppleganger pods rather than full-blown Doppelgangers, but what possible semantics trickery can be used to explain away the psychic presence?
Post by: heydude6 on November 22, 2020, 07:03:10 am
I didn’t want to waste my assassin bot on someone with an anti-tech field. Anti-tech and intel are mutually exclusive so Tric was a safe bet. In hindsight, I probably should have killed IceyTea instead since I believe he also claimed to have intel and I could have verified if he was lying.
Ideological purity was my biggest reason for killing Tric though. He was opposed to mass suicide so I thought I’d eliminate someone who could potentially go against the plan, just like webadict is planning to do. I was honestly thinking of killing you too Caz, but I didn’t want to risk you having anti-tech.He was also the least interesting person you could have killed as far as "is there something more going on with this game". He was the first one to mention the eleven exterminator intel and thus the most likely to be exactly what he said on the tin, ridiculous paranoia aside.
I thought we would get meaningful intel if we killed anyone honestly. My crack theory was that the psychic presence in the role PM was simply making us think we were exterminators, even if we weren’t. So if we killed someone, their flip would reveal their true role and alignment. Speaking of those lines, I think it makes sense for one person in the group to purchase an advanced-mind shield just to eliminate that possibility. We rationalized disbelieving the opening message by simply saying they were doppleganger pods rather than full-blown Doppelgangers, but what possible semantics trickery can be used to explain away the psychic presence?
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Post by: TricMagic on November 22, 2020, 08:43:38 am
(Seriously, I have words and cannot speak them. GJ Blue. Black out.)
Post by: Caz on November 22, 2020, 09:03:17 am
Spoiler: Listening to the soothing music, you feel less inclined to murder. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shakerag on November 22, 2020, 11:02:24 am
My crack theory was that the psychic presence in the role PM was simply making us think we were exterminators, even if we weren’t.I'm sorry, the what?
Post by: webadict on November 22, 2020, 11:09:09 am
heydude6... So, anyway, let's lynch heydude6.My crack theory was that the psychic presence in the role PM was simply making us think we were exterminators, even if we weren’t.I'm sorry, the what?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2020, 11:33:27 am
Since theory 2 didn't work can we try theory 1 now? prayer circle guys :(
But, Caz,
Meph, is it possible for players to have hidden win conditions?
All players current win conditions are accurately reflected in their Role PM.
How does holding hands and singing kumbaya get me closer to my win condition of everybody else dying, which Meph confirmed was accurate?
He was also the least interesting person you could have killed as far as "is there something more going on with this game". He was the first one to mention the eleven exterminator intel and thus the most likely to be exactly what he said on the tin, ridiculous paranoia aside.
Who would have been a better person to shoot?
From your perspective, not his.
Ideological purity
wtf game of mafia am I playing
Ideological purity was my biggest reason for killing Tric though. He was opposed to mass suicide so I thought I’d eliminate someone who could potentially go against the plan, just like webadict is planning to do. I was honestly thinking of killing you too Caz, but I didn’t want to risk you having anti-tech.
Why TricMagic over any of the other people who weren't fully subscribed to the mass suicide strategy? Was it because he was voting you?
heydude6My crack theory was that the psychic presence in the role PM was simply making us think we were exterminators, even if we weren’t.I'm sorry, the what?
You don't know?
... So, anyway, let's lynch heydude6.
Works for me. heydude6.
Post by: Caz on November 22, 2020, 11:41:33 am
Since theory 2 didn't work can we try theory 1 now? prayer circle guys :(
But, Caz,Meph, is it possible for players to have hidden win conditions?
All players current win conditions are accurately reflected in their Role PM.
How does holding hands and singing kumbaya get me closer to my win condition of everybody else dying, which Meph confirmed was accurate?
Current win condition implies that the win conditions are changeable. What if they change to something like "You win if TricMagic is alive and x is dead"? We could be throwing away chances to win already. I don't think a little delay on everyone starting to kill each other is much to ask for given that we have enough firepower to wipe ourselves out in one night phase if we really put our minds to it.
Post by: webadict on November 22, 2020, 11:50:12 am
Caz... Do you have a win condition that doesn't work with this?Since theory 2 didn't work can we try theory 1 now? prayer circle guys :(
But, Caz,Meph, is it possible for players to have hidden win conditions?
All players current win conditions are accurately reflected in their Role PM.
How does holding hands and singing kumbaya get me closer to my win condition of everybody else dying, which Meph confirmed was accurate?
Current win condition implies that the win conditions are changeable. What if they change to something like "You win if TricMagic is alive and x is dead"? We could be throwing away chances to win already. I don't think a little delay on everyone starting to kill each other is much to ask for given that we have enough firepower to wipe ourselves out in one night phase if we really put our minds to it.
I also no longer feel like Plasma Bombing Jim... He's too eager to be Plasma Bombed... But, I also want to Plasma Bomb him because he's so willing to be Plasma Bombed.
Hmm... HMMMMMMMMMMMM.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 22, 2020, 11:57:15 am
heydude6: Jim Groovester, Shakerag, webadict
Luckyowl: Luckyowl
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: heydude6
Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday
Post by: Shakerag on November 22, 2020, 12:14:50 pm
You don't know?Please enlighten me.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2020, 12:23:24 pm
Unless your role PM doesn't match mine.
Post by: Shakerag on November 22, 2020, 12:39:39 pm
If your role PM matches mine you should have a throwaway line about psychic interference for why you have a mind shield.Yes, I have that as well. It just sounded like heydude6 was actually contacted by some psychic presence.
Unless your role PM doesn't match mine.
Hmm. Here's a wild thought. Pretend for a minute everyone was given a mind shield. What if part of the bastardry is related to that psychic interference and is part of the puzzle?
Meph: Assume a player has a mind shield item. Can they de-activate it for a night? Can they discard the item completely?
Post by: Shakerag on November 22, 2020, 12:45:33 pm
Unless Meph is a fan of those old Sierra point-and-click games where if you didn't keep a random item during the whole game you can't win the boss fight or something evil and ridiculous.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 22, 2020, 01:16:31 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 22, 2020, 01:25:20 pm
Anybody whose name wasn't Tricmagic or webadict. While there's a certain logic behind "Tricmagic won't let go of the scumteam paranoia, might as well get rid of him so he doesn't screw up the plan" we could always lynch him if he was being a problem and his death wasn't likely to tell us anything. My list of "people who, even if the game is completely fucky, are almost certainly regular exterminators" was, at the time, webadict and Tric (it now includes you and I'm contemplating adding Caz to it) so I would have killed anyone outside of that on the off chance that I hit someone with a role outside of our current understanding of the game.He was also the least interesting person you could have killed as far as "is there something more going on with this game". He was the first one to mention the eleven exterminator intel and thus the most likely to be exactly what he said on the tin, ridiculous paranoia aside.
Who would have been a better person to shoot?
From your perspective, not his.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2020, 01:51:12 pm
I also no longer feel like Plasma Bombing Jim... He's too eager to be Plasma Bombed... But, I also want to Plasma Bomb him because he's so willing to be Plasma Bombed.
Hmm... HMMMMMMMMMMMM.
When are you ever going to get the opportunity for fireworks like this ever again?
Hmm. Here's a wild thought. Pretend for a minute everyone was given a mind shield. What if part of the bastardry is related to that psychic interference and is part of the puzzle?
Meph: Assume a player has a mind shield item. Can they de-activate it for a night? Can they discard the item completely?
There might be more to pick at here. The Rules say that the Exterminator has a choice between Mind Shield and Anti-Tech Field, but I got no such choice and I confirmed with Meph that that was intentional.
Maaaaaaaaybe it's just part of the bastard setup so that all our tech works against each other (with the result being a very violent game) but maybe there's more going on.
Post by: heydude6 on November 22, 2020, 02:23:49 pm
Heydude6 I think you chose the wrong person to kill. This is what I think. You killed Tric because he voted you. You panicked and killed him. Then you tried to act like you did it to gain 'information' when honestly TricMagic was just a paranoid Termie. If you wanted to kill anyone, it should've been Webadict, he wanted to kill himself, and made a wild claim that he set an assassin bot to kill him. But where is it? no where. Killing Webadict would've been the best option. No one would've I thought it was you and we would've thought that Webadict went through with his plan.
Webadict is a good player who has said a lot of valuable things. He’s basically our leader so far.
Also, Why the fuck would I want to hide the fact that I was the one who killed him?! All that would do was create unnecessary paranoia and confuse our team. Maybe I should have also bought a kill camouflager and made it look like a dop did it as well too in that case?
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 22, 2020, 02:35:04 pm
Maybe I should have also bought a kill camouflager and made it look like a dop did it as well too in that case?NGL that would have been hilarious, in a very "fuck you for being like that" kind of way.
Post by: IcyTea31 on November 22, 2020, 03:06:02 pm
Also, there was an "invalid lynch target" message for roseheart, but not Meph. Therefore: Mephansteras
Heydude wouldn't actually be at the top of my lynch-list. Having used his large slot, he is one of the most predictable players from hereon. He is both less likely to break the mass-suicide plan and a lesser personal threat compared to players with fewer knowns.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 22, 2020, 03:18:42 pm
Heydude6 I think you chose the wrong person to kill. This is what I think. You killed Tric because he voted you. You panicked and killed him. Then you tried to act like you did it to gain 'information' when honestly TricMagic was just a paranoid Termie. If you wanted to kill anyone, it should've been Webadict, he wanted to kill himself, and made a wild claim that he set an assassin bot to kill him. But where is it? no where. Killing Webadict would've been the best option. No one would've I thought it was you and we would've thought that Webadict went through with his plan.
Webadict is a good player who has said a lot of valuable things. He’s basically our leader so far.
Also, Why the fuck would I want to hide the fact that I was the one who killed him?! All that would do was create unnecessary paranoia and confuse our team. Maybe I should have also bought a kill camouflager and made it look like a dop did it as well too in that case?
1. Webadict a leader? What type of joke is that? If you are a norm termie how certain are you that Webadict isn't the dopp? From what I read from your previous post you were pretty critical about his day 1 mass suicide pact. So why did you write he gave value information when it contradicts what you said previous to this new claims of yours.
2. Because telling the truth might make people think you made an honest mistake? You can't be serious? There were better targets you could've picked yet you chose the one who was voted against you? Don't you see how this paints a picture against you? Killing TricMagic also go against what you wanted...
If I didn't, there would be nothing to believe, and we'd be headless chickens.plan
This assumes that everybody has the same Exterminator win condition and everybody believes it. Do you believe your win condition?
You could disbelieve it, perhaps the win-con is the complete opposite of what was given to us. Maybe the goal is to survive a night without having any of us die. With 11 players, keeping the paranoia under control would be a challenge worthy of a mafia game.
*IMPORTANT PLEASE READ*
That's why I want to vote No-lynch. In addition to this being my hypothesized win-condition, I also believe doing this is our best way of finding out if there is a hidden dop team after all. Dops must kill, for that is their twisted nature, but the 'termies as I shall now call us have the capability to exercise some self-control. I believe this is worth looking into since the opening does say that there 3 dops.
Even if I turn out to be wrong, we can always try the mass-suicide strat next day. If webadict's wincon theory is right (ie. a posthumous victory is possible), then we don't actually all have to die at the same time. 3 of us could die day 2, 4 could die day 3, and the remaining 4 will have a much easier time pulling off a MAD.
The stunt you just pulled only set us back instead of forward. TricMagic was the only one who voted against you and it would've bounced back when the majority voted No Lynch. Tell me, why would you kill TricMagic if we needed more information to confirm that there is a hidden dopp team?Why couldn't you just waited for tomorrow?
Post by: Mephansteras on November 22, 2020, 04:37:31 pm
heydude6: Jim Groovester, Luckyowl, Shakerag, webadict
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: heydude6
I am still not a valid Lynch target.
Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday.
I have corrected the previous vote tally to remove TricMagic's votes and the mistake about Game vs Day. That was in error. I do not expect the game to end this day.
Meph: Assume a player has a mind shield item. Can they de-activate it for a night? Can they discard the item completely?
Yes, a Mind Shield can be turned off or discarded completely.
Post by: heydude6 on November 22, 2020, 05:38:35 pm
Bastard Mafia! Where working together and the power of friendship are the keys to success.Ideological purity
wtf game of mafia am I playing
Ideological purity was my biggest reason for killing Tric though. He was opposed to mass suicide so I thought I’d eliminate someone who could potentially go against the plan, just like webadict is planning to do. I was honestly thinking of killing you too Caz, but I didn’t want to risk you having anti-tech.
Why TricMagic over any of the other people who weren't fully subscribed to the mass suicide strategy? Was it because he was voting you?
The people who disagreed with the plan were TricMagic, Jim Groovester, Toonyman, Caz13 and of course myself Heydude6
- I didn't kill you Jim, because you are an active player and Webadict was already planning on doing that to you with a plasma bomb at night. The only thing that can stop that is being role-blocked with a stun orb or bomb. It would be a waste.
- I didn't kill Toonyman because 1) I don't know if he has an anti-tech field and 2) He's also a decent player and seems to be person most likely to discover an alternate win-con if there actually is one.
- Caz was the other person I was seriously thinking of killing, but I didn't know if he had anti-tech and I wanted to see if he would start saying more later in the game.
- I didn't kill myself because I wouldn't be alive to explain my actions.
4maskwolf
Who would have been a better person to shoot?Anybody whose name wasn't Tricmagic or webadict. While there's a certain logic behind "Tricmagic won't let go of the scumteam paranoia, might as well get rid of him so he doesn't screw up the plan" we could always lynch him if he was being a problem and his death wasn't likely to tell us anything. My list of "people who, even if the game is completely fucky, are almost certainly regular exterminators" was, at the time, webadict and Tric (it now includes you and I'm contemplating adding Caz to it) so I would have killed anyone outside of that on the off chance that I hit someone with a role outside of our current understanding of the game.
From your perspective, not his.
I understand that logic, but even when you remove those 4 people you still have a high chance of killing a regular 'termie, or even worse, targeting someone with an anti-tech field. As I explained to Jim (you should read what I wrote to him), my priorities were to kill the player whose loss would have the least negative outcome on the game. I also had a preference for players who I knew didn't have an anti-tech field. This lead to me focusing on people who did not support the mass-suicide plan since they could cause problems when it was time to implement it, and among those I chose Tric because he wasn't contributing much after he revealed his intel and because he was vulnerable.
I knew I likely wasn't going to kill someone who wasn't a vanilla 'termie, but I believed that killing anyone would have revealed something of value. Unfortunately, it seems like I was wrong about that, but on the bright side, that's more evidence to support the mass-suicide idea.
Luckyowl
Wow.
Where do I begin...
1. Webadict a leader? What type of joke is that? If you are a norm termie how certain are you that Webadict isn't the dopp? From what I read from your previous post you were pretty critical about his day 1 mass suicide pact. So why did you write he gave value information when it contradicts what you said previous to this new claims of yours.
2. Because telling the truth might make people think you made an honest mistake? You can't be serious? There were better targets you could've picked yet you chose the one who was voted against you? Don't you see how this paints a picture against you? Killing TricMagic also go against what you wanted...
The stunt you just pulled only set us back instead of forward. TricMagic was the only one who voted against you and it would've bounced back when the majority voted No Lynch. Tell me, why would you kill TricMagic if we needed more information to confirm that there is a hidden dopp team? Why couldn't you just waited for tomorrow?
1. Webadict a leader? What type of joke is that?Yes, of course Webadict is a leader! He is the one who masterminded the whole Mass-suicide plan to begin with and and it's the plan most people are supporting right now. A leader is someone who people follow and that's what people are doing. Also, he didn't just come up with the plan. He has consistently been backing it up with strong arguments and has successfully been pointing out the flaws in other plans including my own.
If you are a norm termie how certain are you that Webadict isn't the dopp? From what I read from your previous post you were pretty critical about his day 1 mass suicide pact. So why did you write he gave value information when it contradicts what you said previous to this new claims of yours.You can never be certain, but Webadcit has been a strong player so far. I also don't think a dop would push mass-suicide this much.
From what I read from your previous post you were pretty critical about his day 1 mass suicide pact. So why did you write he gave value information when it contradicts what you said previous to this new claims of yours.If you haven't noticed:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
2. Because telling the truth might make people think you made an honest mistake? You can't be serious? There were better targets you could've picked yet you chose the one who was voted against you? Don't you see how this paints a picture against you? Killing TricMagic also go against what you wanted...
Please name a better target than Tric who also lacked an anti-tech field. I already explained my rationale for picking Tric in my replies to Jim and 4mask so please read that. And of course I know it makes me look suspicious, but a true townie is willing to get lynched if it helps the cause! I have no reason to fear death, especially if that's our win-condition.
The stunt you just pulled only set us back instead of forward. TricMagic was the only one who voted against you and it would've bounced back when the majority voted No Lynch. Tell me, why would you kill TricMagic if we needed more information to confirm that there is a hidden dopp team? Why couldn't you just waited for tomorrow?Now this is where I have to laugh! Right before Tric died, we were just talking about how we needed Flips to push the game forward and I provided one.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So why would I let my tech go to waste? All the information we already had was discussed to death, so I thought I would provide some more before I finally kicked the bucket. Being able to discuss a flip in day 1 is an incredibly valuable opportunity because it allows us to plan our night-game better. Though I'm sad Tric's death didn't reveal more, it does at least give more evidence to support Web's mass suicide plan.
I really don't like how you made that post though. You made multiple lies in an attempt to make me look bad and I can barely comprehend why you would do something like that. You called Web's leadership a joke, you said the town was going to vote no-lynch, and you said Tric's death set us back even though a flip was exactly what we needed at that point in time. These aren't simple rookie mistakes, the falseness of those statements is too obvious. And let's not mention the time when you said my best play for town was to kill one of our best players and then hide it.
Which is why I think something fishy is going on and I would like us to get to the bottom of it. When I die, I want Luckyowl to be the next person we look at, though while you're still alive I would like you to explain the meaning behind this statement:
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Post by: ToonyMan on November 22, 2020, 06:30:51 pm
I do think the psychic presence could be important to the game, but you pulled the trigger on a gun you "thought" maybe wouldn't fire and killed someone?heydude6... So, anyway, let's lynch heydude6.My crack theory was that the psychic presence in the role PM was simply making us think we were exterminators, even if we weren’t.I'm sorry, the what?
To be fair, killing Tricmagic does make some practical sense because it's pretty likely his large tech was intel which makes him less useful in the long run. However, this also means that your large tech has been used up as well.
Also, Why the fuck would I want to hide the fact that I was the one who killed him?! All that would do was create unnecessary paranoia and confuse our team. Maybe I should have also bought a kill camouflager and made it look like a dop did it as well too in that case?This is debatable. Keeping quiet would probably keep you alive longer, which might not be very town but...
Not true for at least one or two people in past Bastard Paranormals.Bastard Mafia! Where working together and the power of friendship are the keys to success.Ideological puritywtf game of mafia am I playing
There might be more to pick at here. The Rules say that the Exterminator has a choice between Mind Shield and Anti-Tech Field, but I got no such choice and I confirmed with Meph that that was intentional.Hmmmmmmmmm.
Maaaaaaaaybe it's just part of the bastard setup so that all our tech works against each other (with the result being a very violent game) but maybe there's more going on.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2020, 08:15:40 pm
Paradoxically if you had given no reason at all I would have thought nothing of it.
Also, there was an "invalid lynch target" message for roseheart, but not Meph. Therefore: Mephansteras
Are you going to do anything else besides try to vote people who can't be voted?
Post by: Luckyowl on November 22, 2020, 09:29:28 pm
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Yes, of course Webadict is a leader! He is the one who masterminded the whole Mass-suicide plan to begin with and and it's the plan most people are supporting right now. A leader is someone who people follow and that's what people are doing. Also, he didn't just come up with the plan. He has consistently been backing it up with strong arguments and has successfully been pointing out the flaws in other plans including my own.
In my opinion, Webadict is more like a slithering salesman convincing everyone that his idea is the truth. But I'll drop this here. How can you be for certain that everyone will go along with the plan? It's as flaw as Caz's peace circle. In my truth we're all here to kill eachother so I'm just gonna start it off. I set an assassin bot to kill Webadict.
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You can never be certain, but Webadict has been a strong player so far. I also don't think a dop would push mass-suicide this much.No, Dopps would love it if we all just killed ourselves.It's basically doing there work for them.
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If that wasn't silly enough, you are then brazen enough to say that we were going vote no-lynch! That couldn't be any further from the truth. Very few people wanted a no-lynch.
Oh yeah, I'm aware of that. Just wanted to throw it out. People tend to loosen up when they feel superior.
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Why do you claim to be capable of doing the impossible? If you're an exterminator, the only thing you can do at night is kill or use tech. Neither of those actions are methods of proving innocence, and its a moot point anyway, because I'm pretty sure we're all supposed to be "innocent" anyway.
Because it's impossible and really means nothing. It's there to see how people might react really.
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Please name a better target than Tric who also lacked an anti-tech field.
Well I really can't answer the question fully as I don't really know who lack anti-tech field. :P
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Pacifism is very hard to pull off and it likely isn't going to give us much information, which is what you need for a bastard game.
That's true I admit. Pacifism won't work here, the only way we can win is to kill eachother...but I'm not down for a suicidal pact because I can't trust know one to follow through. I will be actively hunting during the night game. So if anyone got an assassin bot might as well end me here. I don't care one way or another really. It's fun to see who's moving the strings even if I lose at the end.
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 12:21:56 am
I can't really scumhunt because we're all kinda scum, and I can't puzzle solve because the puzzle is either obfuscated or... non-existent.
Honestly, I feel pretty useless. Like, if we plan it all out, that's good and all, but it then relies on there not being a hidden mechanic or some weird role that disguises itself. But like... with a setup like that, there's nothing you can do to find the odd man out. So, random chaos is the really weird optimal method of playing... I have just as much chance to win from this method as I do from planning things out and getting blindsided by bullshit.
I'm just gonna vote to Shorten. I'm just not gonna think too hard about it. If Jim or 4mask tell me to Plasma Bomb someone else, I'll do it. Maybe. Surprisingly, I'm gonna unvote heydude6, because another body at Night to kill is probably better than not. I really just voted because what he did was a super dick move.
Maximize chaos. That's the best way to use a plasma bomb.
Post by: RoseHeart on November 23, 2020, 01:42:47 am
I am still not a valid Lynch target.
Wouldn't you say that even if you were??
(Not a hint, I am not authorized to dispense hints!)
Post by: Caz on November 23, 2020, 05:28:47 am
I am still not a valid Lynch target.
Wouldn't you say that even if you were??
(Not a hint, I am not authorized to dispense hints!)
Can we kill you or Meph during the night?
Post by: RoseHeart on November 23, 2020, 06:06:54 am
Can we kill you or Meph during the night?
Sorry, I can see I am actually causing confusion.
I'll stop distracting.
Post by: Shakerag on November 23, 2020, 09:35:44 am
I'm gonna shoot for potential puzzle clues first, and I'm willing to bet the more of us are dead the fewer clues we could find.
No Lynch.
Also, I'll claim now I have a hold-out blaster, so if I die overnight you'll know what happened.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2020, 09:43:45 am
What could the situation be? I'm thinking 3 dopp exterminators in the mix who don't share in our belief of mutual destruction, this is bad for us because even if they don't know who each other are they're going to try everything they can to sabotage us. They also likely have the exact same tech as us and don't need to "share a nightkill" together. This is why I'm extremely suspicious of Webadict's claim that Meph will make him look like a dopp on death and he also conveniently did not kill himself with an assassin bot.
I think heydude shooting Tricmagic was a bad play, but I'm not convinced he's a dopp exty yet.
I'll bite and take the bait since no one else has, what the flip are you three talking about (Caz, 4mask, Webadict)? Laughing on the phone? How many KOR are you being paid for this?That was also my takeaway.I did, yes. But considering the context, I'd say it's more likely related to the prank of eleven exterminators in one game than us having straight up false wincons.Or work actively against them. Didn't you hear the guy laughing on the phone?And the alternative? That we ignore our role PMs?How do we win if nobody dies?Dunno yet. This has been billed as a game where you have to 'figure out how to win', but we're all accepting that we got told how to win already in our role PM?
Post by: Caz on November 23, 2020, 10:04:58 am
How many KOR are you being paid for this?
It's over nine thousand.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 23, 2020, 10:10:55 am
This tbh.How many KOR are you being paid for this?
It's over nine thousand.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 23, 2020, 10:13:38 am
I'll bite and take the bait since no one else has, what the flip are you three talking about (Caz, 4mask, Webadict)? Laughing on the phone? How many KOR are you being paid for this?Joking answers aside, the answers are “it’s an Intel exterminator thing, I don’t know what webadict’s response is about because he’s doing that thing where he pretends to be five things at once so I tuned it out” and “10000”.
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 10:27:36 am
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2020, 10:31:37 am
heydude6: Jim Groovester, Luckyowl
Luckyowl: heydude6
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: Shakerag
Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today. (9ish hours). 1/10 votes to Shorten the day. 6/10 votes needed to Shorten.
And, no, neither myself nor roseheart are valid targets for anything in the game.
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 10:33:06 am
You're worrying about me making a plan at 2AM that involved me understanding two different mechanics that I didn't because I have never used them. I thought the Assassin bot was a Daykill because I have literally used it as one before--against you, no less--and I have never given away tech before.
Also, damn, Toony's vote is sticky.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2020, 10:48:43 am
Also, I'll claim now I have a hold-out blaster, so if I die overnight you'll know what happened.While it's funny to WIFOM the scum I think it's better not to claim right now so if there's a scum team they're clueless what to do at night besides "plasma bomb Webadict".
Also, Toony, you can probably cut me some slack. Now that I know Tric flipped normally, I no longer believe I will flip anything but normally.Suuure.
You're worrying about me making a plan at 2AM that involved me understanding two different mechanics that I didn't because I have never used them. I thought the Assassin bot was a Daykill because I have literally used it as one before--against you, no less--and I have never given away tech before.
Also, damn, Toony's vote is sticky.Sticky like plasma.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2020, 10:54:58 am
Post by: Shakerag on November 23, 2020, 10:56:38 am
Do you still think the best course of action in this game is for everyone to die?
Post by: TricMagic on November 23, 2020, 10:56:56 am
Wow I'm retarded, you get to pick another large tech after intel?
Incorrect, you can choose your other techs after Intel. [Automated Message from a ghost.]
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 23, 2020, 10:57:21 am
Wow I'm retarded, you get to pick another large tech after intel?You do not.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2020, 10:58:38 am
Okay, good. I was confused over the wording. Thanks GhostMagic.Wow I'm retarded, you get to pick another large tech after intel?Incorrect, you can choose your other techs after Intel. [Automated Message from a ghost.]
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 10:59:47 am
His case on heydude6 feels bandwagony and forced and artificial, like he wanted to vote heydude6 but thought he needed a reason for doing so (he didn't) so he made some stuff up.
The Monitor
heydude6: Jim Groovester, Luckyowl
Luckyowl: heydude6
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: Shakerag
Yeah, let's figure this out. If people want to lynch somebody they should probably take a stand and if they want to no lynch they should probably make that clear. Not much time left.
Not that anybody's suggested doing it yet but I don't want to make a plan for N1.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2020, 11:05:09 am
Toony doesn't know.How would you know if you have a plasma bomb and not intel?
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 23, 2020, 11:17:56 am
Post by: Luckyowl on November 23, 2020, 11:21:05 am
I'm going to vote Luckyowl because unlike heydude6 he actually makes me suspicious.
His case on heydude6 feels bandwagony and forced and artificial, like he wanted to vote heydude6 but thought he needed a reason for doing so (he didn't) so he made some stuff up.
I never really planned on voting Heydude6. It came around when he killed Tric. Which is a doppy thing to do but at the sametime a paranoid Termie thinking it will give him the needed flip.
If you want know the truth. Jim Groovester it's you. Who I wanted to vote. But I won't, until there's more efficient evidence against you. Which I'm glad everyone is going for a No lynch. I too will be for it. At the end we need more information as I said many post ago. All we're doing is throwing unproven theories. We need to be for certain that there is a dopp team and the only way we can confirm this. Is by having everyone present for the night game. That's why I was pissed off when Heydude ruined it all. Now we have one less "ally" thanks to him.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 11:40:42 am
Post by: Luckyowl on November 23, 2020, 11:53:19 am
You could just vote me. With everybody being an Exterminator it's not like there's a high bar of evidence needed to justify a vote.
True we all are the scum. But I want to make sure there is a Dopp Scum team and kill them. After that we'll just wait and see what happens. Right now, my 3 suspected scum is you, Webadict, and 4maskwolf. You guys seem close...too close..buuut, I'm more likely to believe it's a friendly closeness than a scumteam closeness. :D
Post by: heydude6 on November 23, 2020, 12:36:13 pm
Post by: heydude6 on November 23, 2020, 12:36:44 pm
Post by: juicebox on November 23, 2020, 12:59:45 pm
I was re-reading Bastard Paranormal 1. They played the game as it appeared but lost. The game as it appears (to all/most of us at least) is to kill everyone else.
I'm gonna shoot for potential puzzle clues first, and I'm willing to bet the more of us are dead the fewer clues we could find.
No Lynch.
Also, I'll claim now I have a hold-out blaster, so if I die overnight you'll know what happened.
I don't know if this means anything, but I find it interesting that while we all seem to have a large tech slot, some people have a medium in addition to that while others have a small.
Also this exchange:
heydude6My crack theory was that the psychic presence in the role PM was simply making us think we were exterminators, even if we weren’t.I'm sorry, the what?
You don't know?
Makes me think that some of us may have different flavor in our PMs as well
I'm not sure whether that means anything at all, but it is something to keep in mind
Post by: Luckyowl on November 23, 2020, 01:13:48 pm
Post by: Caz on November 23, 2020, 01:19:03 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2020, 01:34:26 pm
Meph, I will be turning off my psychic shield. let's what happens hopefully it reveals something.
Noted
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 01:44:22 pm
webadict:Well, it's in my best interest to have everyone die, so... yes. I am trying to get in a position to get myself killed Tomorrow if I don't die Tonight.
Do you still think the best course of action in this game is for everyone to die?
I'm going to vote Luckyowl because unlike heydude6 he actually makes me suspicious.Idk, I'd rather let people live and create more anarchy tonight.
His case on heydude6 feels bandwagony and forced and artificial, like he wanted to vote heydude6 but thought he needed a reason for doing so (he didn't) so he made some stuff up.The Monitor
heydude6: Jim Groovester, Luckyowl
Luckyowl: heydude6
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: Shakerag
Yeah, let's figure this out. If people want to lynch somebody they should probably take a stand and if they want to no lynch they should probably make that clear. Not much time left.
Not that anybody's suggested doing it yet but I don't want to make a plan for N1.
I mean, it should be pretty obvious we're all Ex's. If you're gonna use evidence like that, then it depends on all of us being scum, and that's too flimsy to stick.You could just vote me. With everybody being an Exterminator it's not like there's a high bar of evidence needed to justify a vote.
True we all are the scum. But I want to make sure there is a Dopp Scum team and kill them. After that we'll just wait and see what happens. Right now, my 3 suspected scum is you, Webadict, and 4maskwolf. You guys seem close...too close..buuut, I'm more likely to believe it's a friendly closeness than a scumteam closeness. :D
Also, you can pick a small in lieu of a medium.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 02:06:18 pm
So, what is the plan for night then? Should I buy a stun bomb to prevent people from killing each other? Are we going to try to kill each other? Are we going to try to mass-suicide?
If we do decide to go with the mass suicide plan, we need to start planning out the details now
I don't want to make a plan for N1.
I'd rather have everybody go with their gut and see what turns up on D2 than make a plan that people probably won't follow anyway.
Idk, I'd rather let people live and create more anarchy tonight.
Then why not vote for a no lynch? Your vote is not committed right now.
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 02:40:08 pm
Then why not vote for a no lynch? Your vote is not committed right now.Probably because I forgot to No Lynch!
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2020, 03:01:20 pm
Also this exchange:Nah that's just Shakerag pointing out how silly it sounds.Makes me think that some of us may have different flavor in our PMs as wellheydude6You don't know?My crack theory was that the psychic presence in the role PM was simply making us think we were exterminators, even if we weren’t.I'm sorry, the what?
I'm not sure whether that means anything at all, but it is something to keep in mind
So, what is the plan for night then? Should I buy a stun bomb to prevent people from killing each other? Are we going to try to kill each other? Are we going to try to mass-suicide?
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Post by: Luckyowl on November 23, 2020, 03:34:59 pm
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 03:44:29 pm
I wonder if the psychic interference might hint that we're all secretly psychic if that's the case. I want someone to try to read my win-con when the night game comes around.Maybe the psychic interference is from ALL OF THE MIND SHIELDS.
Post by: Caz on November 23, 2020, 03:46:14 pm
I wonder if the psychic interference might hint that we're all secretly psychic if that's the case. I want someone to try to read my win-con when the night game comes around.Maybe the psychic interference is from ALL OF THE MIND SHIELDS.
Well, this is sus, webadict.
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 03:53:15 pm
Caz, don't say that! A vigilante might show up and kill me tonight! :'( Then you'll feel really bad.I wonder if the psychic interference might hint that we're all secretly psychic if that's the case. I want someone to try to read my win-con when the night game comes around.Maybe the psychic interference is from ALL OF THE MIND SHIELDS.
Well, this is sus, webadict.
Post by: juicebox on November 23, 2020, 03:57:18 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 03:58:59 pm
Spoiler: The Plan (click to show/hide)
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 03:59:33 pm
Alright, here's the plan.Agreed.Spoiler: The Plan (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shakerag on November 23, 2020, 03:59:44 pm
If I'm right, cool. If not, well you're supposed to question everything in a bastard game anyway.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2020, 04:00:31 pm
heydude6: Jim Groovester
Luckyowl: heydude6, juicebox
Toonyman: 4maskwolf
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: Luckyowl, Shakerag, webadict
Day ends in ~4 hours. There is 1/10 votes to Shorten the day. 6/10 needed to Shorten.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 04:08:31 pm
Shorten because I'm impatient and don't want to wait four hours for the day to end.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2020, 04:09:17 pm
So what's the plan then? Are we just gonna daisy chain it? Because if so I wanna kill CazYes, while I agree with Jim's plan I have a better, much more foolproof plan that I guarantee with my life:
Juicebox kill Caz
Caz kill 4mask
4mask kill Shakerag
Shakerag kill Luckyowl
Luckyowl kill Webadict
Webadict kill Heydude
Heydude kill IcyTea
IcyTea kill Jim
Jim kill Me
Me Kill You
These words written here will not be deviated from, the game will end tomorrow, and we will all be winners.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 04:09:38 pm
The Monitor
heydude6: Jim Groovester
Luckyowl: heydude6, juicebox
Toonyman: 4maskwolf
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: Luckyowl, Shakerag, webadict
Day ends in ~4 hours. There is 1/10 votes to Shorten the day. 6/10 needed to Shorten.
I am voting Luckyowl, not heydude6.
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 04:17:18 pm
I still gonna bet for now the "rocks fall, everyone dies" plan is a red herring, like in BP1.True, but... Like, what are we supposed to believe in if we reject all information? Isn't that just applied nihilism? At that point, we can't even accept that anything exists or is usable because we don't have the potential to interact with it. It's a rejection of free will because we no longer control the means to our own win, and if we can't win, why play?
If I'm right, cool. If not, well you're supposed to question everything in a bastard game anyway.
The only method we all win is if we kill no one or kill everyone, based on the information we have. But, if we apply the Prisoner's Dilemma to that, we're forced into killing tonight. And that's the optimal play in this case.
If you believe someone is suspicious, kill them. If you don't, kill someone else. If I could guarantee that no one died, I'd shoot for the first plan, but that's not a viable strategy here.
I like this plan except that I don't get to plasma bomb Jim, and also it's a plan, and I don't trust anyone to follow it.So what's the plan then? Are we just gonna daisy chain it? Because if so I wanna kill CazYes, while I agree with Jim's plan I have a better, much more foolproof plan that I guarantee with my life:
Juicebox kill Caz
Caz kill 4mask
4mask kill Shakerag
Shakerag kill Luckyowl
Luckyowl kill Webadict
Webadict kill Heydude
Heydude kill IcyTea
IcyTea kill Jim
Jim kill Me
Me Kill You
These words written here will not be deviated from, the game will end tomorrow, and we will all be winners.
Also, it's really weird how you chose this order, because it's ALMOST the front page order, except that's
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CazWhy the fuck is juicebox out of order?
4maskwolf
Shakerag
Luckyowl
webadict
heydude6
juicebox
IcyTea31
Jim Groovester
Toonyman
Post by: Luckyowl on November 23, 2020, 04:24:12 pm
So what's the plan then? Are we just gonna daisy chain it? Because if so I wanna kill CazYes, while I agree with Jim's plan I have a better, much more foolproof plan that I guarantee with my life:
Juicebox kill Caz
Caz kill 4mask
4mask kill Shakerag
Shakerag kill Luckyowl
Luckyowl kill Webadict
Webadict kill Heydude
Heydude kill IcyTea
IcyTea kill Jim
Jim kill Me
Me Kill You
These words written here will not be deviated from, the game will end tomorrow, and we will all be winners.
I like your plan and all. But it's that uncertainty that lingers with me. How can I trust that you, IcyTea31 and Jim will follow through? And why Juicebox is out of the loop?
I'm honestly just gonna kill whoever I feel is the dopp exterminator.
Post by: juicebox on November 23, 2020, 04:26:41 pm
The Monitor
heydude6: Jim Groovester
Luckyowl: heydude6, juicebox
Toonyman: 4maskwolf
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: Luckyowl, Shakerag, webadict
Day ends in ~4 hours. There is 1/10 votes to Shorten the day. 6/10 needed to Shorten.
Uhhhh, I don't recall placing a vote
So what's the plan then? Are we just gonna daisy chain it? Because if so I wanna kill CazYes, while I agree with Jim's plan I have a better, much more foolproof plan that I guarantee with my life:
Juicebox kill Caz
Caz kill 4mask
4mask kill Shakerag
Shakerag kill Luckyowl
Luckyowl kill Webadict
Webadict kill Heydude
Heydude kill IcyTea
IcyTea kill Jim
Jim kill Me
Me Kill You
These words written here will not be deviated from, the game will end tomorrow, and we will all be winners.
I like your plan and all. But it's that uncertainty that lingers with me. How can I trust that you, IcyTea31 and Jim will follow through? And why Juicebox is out of the loop?
I'm honestly just gonna kill whoever I feel is the dopp exterminator.
I still gonna bet for now the "rocks fall, everyone dies" plan is a red herring, like in BP1.True, but... Like, what are we supposed to believe in if we reject all information? Isn't that just applied nihilism? At that point, we can't even accept that anything exists or is usable because we don't have the potential to interact with it. It's a rejection of free will because we no longer control the means to our own win, and if we can't win, why play?
If I'm right, cool. If not, well you're supposed to question everything in a bastard game anyway.
The only method we all win is if we kill no one or kill everyone, based on the information we have. But, if we apply the Prisoner's Dilemma to that, we're forced into killing tonight. And that's the optimal play in this case.
If you believe someone is suspicious, kill them. If you don't, kill someone else. If I could guarantee that no one died, I'd shoot for the first plan, but that's not a viable strategy here.I like this plan except that I don't get to plasma bomb Jim, and also it's a plan, and I don't trust anyone to follow it.So what's the plan then? Are we just gonna daisy chain it? Because if so I wanna kill CazYes, while I agree with Jim's plan I have a better, much more foolproof plan that I guarantee with my life:
Juicebox kill Caz
Caz kill 4mask
4mask kill Shakerag
Shakerag kill Luckyowl
Luckyowl kill Webadict
Webadict kill Heydude
Heydude kill IcyTea
IcyTea kill Jim
Jim kill Me
Me Kill You
These words written here will not be deviated from, the game will end tomorrow, and we will all be winners.
Also, it's really weird how you chose this order, because it's ALMOST the front page order, except that'sQuoteCazWhy the fuck is juicebox out of order?
4maskwolf
Shakerag
Luckyowl
webadict
heydude6
juicebox
IcyTea31
Jim Groovester
Toonyman
I believe the question you both asked can be answered by this:
So what's the plan then? Are we just gonna daisy chain it? Because if so I wanna kill Caz
Post by: juicebox on November 23, 2020, 04:28:04 pm
And Jim changed his vote form heydude6 to luckyowl
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 04:28:25 pm
Uhhhh, I don't recall placing a vote
Why haven't you?
So what's the plan then? Are we just gonna daisy chain it? Because if so I wanna kill CazYes, while I agree with Jim's plan I have a better, much more foolproof plan that I guarantee with my life:
I like my plan a lot better.
I have no intention of following through with any plan for Night 1.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 04:31:06 pm
I have no intention of following through with any plan for Night 1.
Except if wuba commits to plasma bombing me. Then I will follow through with any plan, so long as it maximizes the effect of the plasma bomb.
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 04:34:36 pm
I'm with Jim on this one. If you want to plan for something, plan for Day 2, when at least half the players die. Or don't because no on can even be sure if they're gonna live. That's why there's no point in planning. If there's traitors among us, then... you can't really know for sure, and planning is just gonna backfire.Uhhhh, I don't recall placing a vote
Why haven't you?So what's the plan then? Are we just gonna daisy chain it? Because if so I wanna kill CazYes, while I agree with Jim's plan I have a better, much more foolproof plan that I guarantee with my life:
I like my plan a lot better.
I have no intention of following through with any plan for Night 1.
So, kill randomly.
I already told you, I'm bombing you unless you or 4mask have a better plan, because y'all are the only ones I really trust.I have no intention of following through with any plan for Night 1.
Except if wuba commits to plasma bombing me. Then I will follow through with any plan, so long as it maximizes the effect of the plasma bomb.
Post by: juicebox on November 23, 2020, 04:35:09 pm
Uhhhh, I don't recall placing a vote
Why haven't you?So what's the plan then? Are we just gonna daisy chain it? Because if so I wanna kill CazYes, while I agree with Jim's plan I have a better, much more foolproof plan that I guarantee with my life:
I like my plan a lot better.
I have no intention of following through with any plan for Night 1.
Because I haven't had reason to. I don't have a case on anyone, nor do I have anything to pressure anyone on. I'm mostly trying to figure out exactly what's going on with this setup, and right now I don't see how voting someone is going to help with that.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 23, 2020, 04:38:32 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 04:39:05 pm
Because I haven't had reason to. I don't have a case on anyone, nor do I have anything to pressure anyone on. I'm mostly trying to figure out exactly what's going on with this setup, and right now I don't see how voting someone is going to help with that.
Get on record, dude. Commit to something.
Post by: juicebox on November 23, 2020, 04:41:26 pm
Because I haven't had reason to. I don't have a case on anyone, nor do I have anything to pressure anyone on. I'm mostly trying to figure out exactly what's going on with this setup, and right now I don't see how voting someone is going to help with that.
Get on record, dude. Commit to something.
Sure. As soon as Meph comes on and confirms whether or not the votecount is in error
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2020, 04:45:17 pm
Luckyowl: heydude6, Jim Groovester
Toonyman: 4maskwolf
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: Luckyowl, Shakerag, webadict
Corrected. Pretty sure I put Jim's new vote on juicebox's line by accident. They are adjacent on my spreadsheet.
Day ends ~3 hours. 2/10 votes to Shorten. 6/10 votes needed to Shorten.
Post by: heydude6 on November 23, 2020, 04:47:11 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on November 23, 2020, 04:50:13 pm
Meph: what happens if two players target eachother?
Post by: juicebox on November 23, 2020, 04:51:09 pm
I'd rather not shorten until IcyTea gets back on though
Post by: Luckyowl on November 23, 2020, 04:52:56 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2020, 04:53:31 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2020, 04:53:45 pm
Meph: what happens if two players target eachother?
Depends on the actions in question, there is an order of operation section in the rules post. Any actions that are in the same order of operation (two kills, for example) are simultaneous.
Post by: Shakerag on November 23, 2020, 04:55:03 pm
Shorten
That's shorten hammer-1
Post by: Luckyowl on November 23, 2020, 04:59:49 pm
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 05:08:20 pm
No LynchDarn, now I can't last second swap-vote to heydude. Oh well.
I'd rather not shorten until IcyTea gets back on though
Post by: juicebox on November 23, 2020, 05:10:55 pm
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 05:12:42 pm
But that would just have tied it between no lynch and luckyowlThen the one I could lynch. Stop pointing out how I'm not paying that much attention, or I'll have my Doppelganger Exterminator buddies show up. They're only, like, five minutes away.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 23, 2020, 05:13:13 pm
You called?But that would just have tied it between no lynch and luckyowlThen the one I could lynch. Stop pointing out how I'm not paying that much attention, or I'll have my Doppelganger Exterminator buddies show up. They're only, like, five minutes away.
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 05:19:22 pm
Thanks. Let's ice this fool.You called?But that would just have tied it between no lynch and luckyowlThen the one I could lynch. Stop pointing out how I'm not paying that much attention, or I'll have my Doppelganger Exterminator buddies show up. They're only, like, five minutes away.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2020, 05:20:34 pm
Meph: Are you obligated to answer all our questions truthfully?
Obligated? No. Will the majority of my answers be truthful? Yes.
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 05:22:56 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 23, 2020, 05:25:37 pm
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26n6Fksnr3YGulihy/giphy.gif)+1
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2020, 05:25:43 pm
Bang, bang, bang.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2020, 08:02:24 pm
Luckyowl: heydude6, Jim Groovester
Toonyman: 4maskwolf
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: juicebox, Luckyowl, Shakerag, webadict
After lengthy discussion (and one assassination), you eventually decide not to throw anyone out of the airlock. Something fishy is going on with this station, and while you're not sure what it is you also don't feel like taking things at face value.
So with a lot of distrusting glares all around you disperse through the multitude of tight identical corridors to the small berths you've been assigned.
(https://imgur.com/lRe1sEg.png)
You'll just have to see who's alive in the morning.
Night has fallen, send in your actions!
Post by: Mephansteras on November 25, 2020, 04:17:39 pm
You arrive back in the mess hall to find a new image on display today.
(https://i.imgur.com/ODHJn1X.png)
Once everyone has arrived, and you do note that everyone seems to have survived the night, a voice beings to speak over the comms.
“Well, that night was a bust! Incredibly boring! And you know who hates boring? Our VIEWERS!”
“That’s right, this is all being recorded and Broadcast! As of now you are all under arrest by the Ecracon Corporation for illegal actions taken against our interests. As such we are free to dispose of you as we see fit under Sector Code 89-103c subsection 88890.”
Shocked glances and murmurs fill the mess hall.
“So, we’ll make this all interesting! Only one of you gets to be pardoned, and they will be paid the 10,000 KOR bounty for completing this assignment! In addition, you’ll get an additional 1000 KOR for each other bounty hunter you personally remove for us! So I think you all know what to do.”
Eyes narrow, and suddenly you all feel a bit like predator and prey at the same time.
“But that’s not all!” the voice continues “We’re going to up the steaks a bit! You now get the option to go shopping!!”
A wall panel in the mess opens up, and a robotic assistant sits behind a clear blast shield. Behind it are a wide variety of bounty hunter techs and a sign that reads:
Quote from: The Shop
Small Tech items: 50 KOR
Medium Tech items: 100 KOR
Large Tech items: 500 KOR
One purchase per Truce Period
“Now, you can ignore all that doppelganger stuff. It was a ruse to get our hands on you. Oh, and this station is being decommissioned, so no need to worry about collateral damage. We want to see epic duels! Explosions! Knife Fights! Most of you are going to die, so at least try to make it a good death, huh?”
The Rules have Changed
The game is no longer split into Day and Night phases. Voting will no longer occur.
The game is now split into Truce phase and Hunt phase.
Truce phase replaces day. You may discuss things here, purchase tech, or trade tech with one another. It acts like a Day phase in most respects, without the voting and lynching.
The Truce phase will last for 48 hours or until everyone has indicated they are Ready for the Hunt phase to begin.
The Hunt phase replaces the Night phase, and functions like it in most respects. However, the thread will not be locked so you can still discuss things in the thread over the station comms. Each Hunt phase will go for 48 hours or until I have all Actions and have a chance to do the write-ups.
The first Truce Phase has now begun. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Friday.
Post by: RoseHeart on November 25, 2020, 04:18:15 pm
"Thhhaaat's right folks! You have a once in a lifetime chance to win the company title of 'Legendary Exterminator'. The one we will trust with the craziest missions! You'll also be a galactic celebrity! How will you balance stealth missions with your paparazzi and fans following you around?" (Hmm, the teleprompter doesn't say, oh, I see, it wasn't a rhetorical question...) *eh hem*
I have been authorized to make this special offer!
You can spend extra KOR at the end to bid on elements for the final panel of the game. I'll try to represent each request in relation to their bid, so it could be a really crazy panel. (if you have no KOR, you can still participate! Maybe we can have some kind of 'Ending Bidding Phase' before the final wrap up..)
Also, the victor, if they are alive to receive it, will get a custom poster of themselves. They'll have say over their armor, featured weapons, pose, and even alien race description if they want to do a helmet reveal. (who knows, this could influence the canon appearance of 'Aliens' in future paranormal mafias!)
Thanks!
"...And a new car! Goood luck contestants!"
*A glitzy, but somewhat ominous outro jingle plays, and the lights suddenly go back to normal... ... ...*
Post by: Shakerag on November 25, 2020, 04:34:51 pm
Well of all the things that could have happened that was not what I expected.
I got stunned last night. I also turned off my mind shield and I got transmitted an advertisement. So that thread of thought was a bust, I think.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 25, 2020, 04:35:01 pm
You’re a monster.
Post by: TricMagic on November 25, 2020, 04:46:33 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 04:49:23 pm
Post by: webadict on November 25, 2020, 04:50:13 pm
"Woooooow," he says, "1000 KOR for Caz's head? What a fucking deal. You think I'm the same price as the hippie?!?"
In a swift motion, he tosses the communicator up and fires a shot from his Hold-out Blaster directly into it.
"Well, my mind's made up now. Guess I'm hosting a sit-in now. 10,000 KOR and you might've convinced me." He sits down and crosses his arms.
"Hey Rosebot, I'll pay my last 100 KOR to have the alien overlord's fuck right off." He flips off what he believes to be a camera. "You guys can just kill me, thanks. I'd rather not give you any real satisfaction."
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 04:51:00 pm
I know I said this over PMs already Meph, but it’s worth reiterating.
You’re a monster.
We'll we're all hitmen so I don't think we got a moral high ground here.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 04:54:31 pm
Post by: webadict on November 25, 2020, 04:58:19 pm
I think we can do this. We all agree to not hunt in the hunting phase and see what happens. Anyone down for that?I mean, now that I can't vote to lynch, my plan to kill all of us is kinda moot.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 25, 2020, 05:00:52 pm
I know I said this over PMs already Meph, but it’s worth reiterating.
You’re a monster.
What gave it away? Was it the avatar? It was the avatar, wasn't it?
Post by: Shakerag on November 25, 2020, 05:06:34 pm
So how's everyone doing? And what we're gonna do? Kill eachother or try to find a way out of this station? There's probably some escape pods if we can find it maybe we can get out this shit hole. But I'm down for a bloodbath and I never got an ad Shakerag what are you talking about?You turned off your mind shield for the night phase too, right? I got an advertisement for ship repair on the planet "Zoobat".
Wait.
Meph: Where are we presently located? What is it's relation to "Zoobat"?
Luckyowl:
I think we can do this. We all agree to not hunt in the hunting phase and see what happens. Anyone down for that?This -is- a bastard game, so going against the obvious goal is always a valid tactic.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 25, 2020, 05:13:07 pm
This mining station is in the Yulur system, which is mostly uninhabited except for other mining operations like this one.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 05:14:41 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 25, 2020, 05:18:20 pm
Meph: What happens if we try to escape? This mining station?
You're not sure. Assumedly they have some sort of safeguards in place to prevent that, but you have not been told what those might be.
Post by: Caz on November 25, 2020, 05:19:42 pm
Oh.
Well of all the things that could have happened that was not what I expected.
I got stunned last night. I also turned off my mind shield and I got transmitted an advertisement. So that thread of thought was a bust, I think.
I got one too. Same ad.
Also I stunned everyone.
Also I tried to kill roseheart afterwards and got stunned.
What now?
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 05:28:58 pm
Oh.
Well of all the things that could have happened that was not what I expected.
I got stunned last night. I also turned off my mind shield and I got transmitted an advertisement. So that thread of thought was a bust, I think.
I got one too. Same ad.
Also I stunned everyone.
Also I tried to kill roseheart afterwards and got stunned.
What now?
Hm, It seems like a peace circle would be nice right about now. I won't be hunting, and I hope others do the same. We all have a common enemy here. Rosebot.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 05:31:27 pm
Hunt Rosebot when the hunting phase comes around. After that we should try to see if we can locate a docked space ship probably the same ship Rosebot used to get it here.
Post by: heydude6 on November 25, 2020, 05:34:43 pm
We shouldn't discuss any more such details until we make ourselves a blindspot.
Post by: RoseHeart on November 25, 2020, 05:38:00 pm
"Hey Rosebot, I'll pay my last 100 KOR to have the alien overlord's fuck right off." He flips off what he believes to be a camera. "You guys can just kill me, thanks. I'd rather not give you any real satisfaction."
"...Possible."
Post by: RoseHeart on November 25, 2020, 05:45:16 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 25, 2020, 06:00:52 pm
Post by: RoseHeart on November 25, 2020, 06:14:40 pm
Huh??
Pretty sure Meph wants to use Exterminators in future sessions, so the organization that employs them probably wont be officially destroyed. (But you can do it, like some wacky Waynes World ending sequence)
See my first post of the day to review the details.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 25, 2020, 06:40:07 pm
I got stunned last night. I also turned off my mind shield and I got transmitted an advertisement. So that thread of thought was a bust, I think.
But I'm down for a bloodbath and I never got an ad Shakerag what are you talking about?
Luckyowl, did you keep your Mind Shield on? Probably not a relevant avenue of inquiry one way or the other though.
4maskwolf, who did you scan and what did they come up as?
inb4 Exterminator and Exterminator
Also I tried to kill roseheart afterwards and got stunned.
What now?
Did you get flavor about setting out to kill roseheart like he was a valid NK target?
I'm going to say that more pacifism is probably what we should do during the Hunt phase. That said I'm going to buy a couple personal shields with my 100 KOR.
Uhhhhh maybe it might be relevant at some point that we need to off a couple of people to get KOR.
Meph, is KOR tradeable?
Meph, can we actually go explore the station and find out what's around? Because if we can I want to do that.
Also, the victor, if they are alive to receive it, will get a custom poster of themselves. They'll have say over their armor, featured weapons, pose, and even alien race description if they want to do a helmet reveal. (who knows, this could influence the canon appearance of 'Aliens' in future paranormal mafias!)
I am honestly tempted by this.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 25, 2020, 06:44:34 pm
We should all claim who our bounty is in case somebody dies. My bounty is on Webadict, 1000 KOR like it says.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 25, 2020, 06:46:12 pm
Post by: Shakerag on November 25, 2020, 06:49:17 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 06:51:25 pm
My bounty is Luckyowl.
My bounty is Shakerag.
Post by: Caz on November 25, 2020, 06:52:23 pm
Did you get flavor about setting out to kill roseheart like he was a valid NK target?
Nope, I set off the stun then got stunned pretty much immediately. But I didn't get any message saying that he was an invalid target either, so idk.
My bounty is for 4mask.
Meph: Can I buy a tech shield?
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 06:53:57 pm
I gave 4maskwolf my two use scanner, tossed my mind shield, got the ad, set out to kill Luckyowl, and then got stunned twice.I got stunned last night. I also turned off my mind shield and I got transmitted an advertisement. So that thread of thought was a bust, I think.But I'm down for a bloodbath and I never got an ad Shakerag what are you talking about?
Luckyowl, did you keep your Mind Shield on? Probably not a relevant avenue of inquiry one way or the other though.
I read my PM. I got an ad too. I think it's not important as well. But we should keep it in our pocket just in case.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 07:07:58 pm
Meph, can we actually go explore the station and find out what's around? Because if we can I want to do that.
I would like to do the same if it's possible. If it is, may I get a map of the station?
Post by: Caz on November 25, 2020, 07:13:35 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 25, 2020, 07:34:21 pm
Meph, is KOR tradeable?
Yes, KOR is tradable.
Quote
Meph, can we actually go explore the station and find out what's around? Because if we can I want to do that.
The station can be explored, yes. Any actual actions like that should be PM'd to me since results will not be visible to other players.
I would like to do the same if it's possible. If it is, may I get a map of the station?
Roseheart is working on a map of the station.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 25, 2020, 07:56:52 pm
Post by: heydude6 on November 25, 2020, 08:08:34 pm
My bounty is Luckyowl.
My bounty is Shakerag.
Interesting. I wonder if bounties are deliberately targeted at each other? Can someone with a bounty on me announce themselves and then I can confirm if I have a bounty on them in return?
Post by: Mephansteras on November 25, 2020, 08:26:00 pm
Meph, was all this possible on Day 1 but nobody bothered to try?
Yes, though things are much more effective when PM'd to me. I don't necessarily notice stuff buried in the thread.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 08:37:12 pm
We can also move in small groups, but I prefer us all travelling at once.
Post by: RoseHeart on November 25, 2020, 08:47:18 pm
Roseheart is working on a map of the station.
The raw file has been sent to him, though it may take some time for them to decode the details.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 25, 2020, 09:39:56 pm
(https://imgur.com/InTyKDQ.png)
The rooms aren't quite to scale and none of the hallways are in place, but it's good enough to get a rough view of things.
As far as you are aware, you're the only living creatures here. There is the shop droid and some other maintenance bots that are keeping things running, but that's it.
A few people wander off to check on things while the Truce is in place.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 25, 2020, 09:49:09 pm
A few people wander off to check on things while the Truce is in place.
Sigh..was hoping for all of us to work together but oh well. *get uo from my seat and start wandering the station alone.*
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 25, 2020, 10:40:06 pm
A few people wander off to check on things while the Truce is in place.
Flavor PM from Meph about this says that basically everything has been cleaned out of the station.
No evidence of doppelganger pods.
There are no ships in the hangar.
If we all can work together we can easily find a way out of this place. But a deep fear festers inside me. A fear that one of us might be under agent working for the corp. I don't want to cause any paranoia, but it's possibility. So we should move in unison designate a leader to guide us and investigate every room for any hints of a traitor.When we're all cleared then we can try to locate the hidden cameras destroy them and start planning out our next move from there.
We can also move in small groups, but I prefer us all travelling at once.
Do you have any basis for thinking there's a traitor or do you have knowledge the rest of us don't have?
Post by: juicebox on November 25, 2020, 11:21:43 pm
Post by: RoseHeart on November 26, 2020, 12:15:46 am
The rooms aren't quite to scale and none of the hallways are in place, but it's good enough to get a rough view of things.
ouch, my balls
I thought I wasn't a valid lynch target?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2020, 02:21:24 am
We're going to use Chekov's commercial to get the hell off this rock.
And by we, I actually mean I have been PMing with Meph to call the repair shop.
The PM says it's 500 KOR to send a repair ship, so spot me your pocket change plz
I've got 100 KOR and haven't spent it. I need 400 more.
Once the ship gets here I dunno maybe we can beg them to rescue us or just hijack it or whatever.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 26, 2020, 07:50:22 am
If we all can work together we can easily find a way out of this place. But a deep fear festers inside me. A fear that one of us might be under agent working for the corp. I don't want to cause any paranoia, but it's possibility. So we should move in unison designate a leader to guide us and investigate every room for any hints of a traitor.When we're all cleared then we can try to locate the hidden cameras destroy them and start planning out our next move from there.
We can also move in small groups, but I prefer us all travelling at once.
Do you have any basis for thinking there's a traitor or do you have knowledge the rest of us don't have?
No, just a hunch. I feel like it’s only natural for us all not to kill each other during the hunt phase so there has to be something or someone to stir things up. My first guess is a possible traitor among us who is working against our interest. I would even say that they probably knew this was going to happen from the very start. But It’s just a gut theory, I have no evidence that there is a traitor. That’s why we should move all together and when the hunting phase starts we stay together to make sure no one tries to kill each other.
Alright Extermibros I'm going to get us out of here.
We're going to use Chekov's commercial to get the hell off this rock.
And by we, I actually mean I have been PMing with Meph to call the repair shop.
The PM says it's 500 KOR to send a repair ship, so spot me your pocket change plz
I've got 100 KOR and haven't spent it. I need 400 more.
Once the ship gets here I dunno maybe we can beg them to rescue us or just hijack it or whatever.
Alright Extermibros I'm going to get us out of here.
We're going to use Chekov's commercial to get the hell off this rock.
And by we, I actually mean I have been PMing with Meph to call the repair shop.
The PM says it's 500 KOR to send a repair ship, so spot me your pocket change plz
I've got 100 KOR and haven't spent it. I need 400 more.
Once the ship gets here I dunno maybe we can beg them to rescue us or just hijack it or whatever.
I only got 50 KOR on me. I’m willing to hand it over, but how sure are you that they will show up? One thing that’s been bothering me is what is potentially keep us from escaping. I think we should first figure out the possible force that is keeping us here. Then move accordingly.
Post by: webadict on November 26, 2020, 09:14:47 am
Also, the maintenance droids could potentially be scrapped for parts. I checked them out and they're not super threatening.
Also, I'm gonna look for a way to revive TricMagic, so if anyone finds anything, let me know. They kinda got screwed by someone.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2020, 10:30:29 am
I only got 50 KOR on me. I’m willing to hand it over, but how sure are you that they will show up? One thing that’s been bothering me is what is potentially keep us from escaping. I think we should first figure out the possible force that is keeping us here. Then move accordingly.
I have no idea whether they will even show up at all. It is, however, something we can do that isn't kill each other and something we can spend our money on that isn't tech.
So come on, everybody, pony up.
Also, Happy Thanksgiving!
Post by: webadict on November 26, 2020, 10:33:24 am
Already sent it your way. I'm a little sad that Rosebot won't get their commission, though. I'm gonna go check out the Power Station.I only got 50 KOR on me. I’m willing to hand it over, but how sure are you that they will show up? One thing that’s been bothering me is what is potentially keep us from escaping. I think we should first figure out the possible force that is keeping us here. Then move accordingly.
I have no idea whether they will even show up at all. It is, however, something we can do that isn't kill each other and something we can spend our money on that isn't tech.
So come on, everybody, pony up.
Also, Happy Thanksgiving!
Post by: webadict on November 26, 2020, 12:12:24 pm
Post by: Caz on November 26, 2020, 12:42:44 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2020, 12:54:10 pm
Power Station's unfortunately got nothing useful. Anybody find anything else?
The only thing potentially useful I found is that we can freely communicate with anybody outside the station. Hence, trying to talk to the repair shop from the advert we all got.
I figure, but have not tried, that since we're being broadcasted to the outside world and we can freely communicate with the outside world we can tune in to the broadcast somehow and see how we're being surveilled. No idea if that will end up being useful or not.
Post by: RoseHeart on November 26, 2020, 03:25:49 pm
I'm a little sad that Rosebot won't get their commission, though.
Oh I'm sure my camera will still catch plenty.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 26, 2020, 04:58:49 pm
Post by: Caz on November 26, 2020, 05:10:41 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 26, 2020, 05:17:54 pm
Post by: webadict on November 26, 2020, 05:21:52 pm
Well I checked and you can only buy one tech item per Truce period so I suppose I can give Jim 50 KOR as long as he promises not to kill me.Psh, you guys are cowards. If you die, you die. I'll find a way to get us all the win, no matter what.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2020, 05:22:44 pm
I'd rather get a Personal Shield and Anti-Tech Field then give Jim my money. Any reason why it'll cost 500 KOR?
I'm guessing that's how much Gazot's charging.
Why, sending an emergency repair ship to this mining station for 500 KOR is a steal!
You want me to haggle with the mod about the fictional price for a fictional repair service?
Well, I'll see what happens.
Well I checked and you can only buy one tech item per Truce period so I suppose I can give Jim 50 KOR as long as he promises not to kill me.
The only person I have cause to kill at this time is juicebox since I have his bounty and not enough money to pay for the ship.
:3
Post by: juicebox on November 26, 2020, 05:34:26 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 26, 2020, 05:39:28 pm
Webadict claims a bounty on Caz.
ToonyMan claims a bounty on Webadict.
Jim Groovester claims a bounty on Juicebox.
Shakerag claims a bounty on Luckyowl.
Luckyowl claims a bounty on Shakerag.
Caz claims a bounty on 4maskwolf.
heydude6 will claim when the person that has their bounty claims.
4maskwolf hasn't claimed a bounty.
Juicebox hasn't claimed a bounty.
IcyTea31 hasn't claimed a bounty.
Nobody has claimed a ToonyMan bounty.
Nobody has claimed a 4maskwolf bounty.
Nobody has claimed a Jim Groovester bounty.
Nobody has claimed a heydude6 bounty.
I'll gladly give you my KOR in exchange for not killing meLet's put it this way, I'm glad I'm not you since we're funding your killer.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 26, 2020, 05:41:38 pm
Replace "Nobody has claimed a 4maskwolf bounty."
with
"Nobody has claimed a IcyTea31 bounty."
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2020, 05:49:13 pm
I need 50 KOR.
I'll gladly give you my KOR in exchange for not killing me
Give me 50 KOR.
:3
Post by: Caz on November 26, 2020, 05:51:19 pm
are you waiting until the person with your bounty claims before you claim so you can kill them when they do?
did you kill tric because you are the agent of chaos?
Post by: heydude6 on November 26, 2020, 06:19:42 pm
I’m waiting to for them to claim, because I want to protect myself from them, and my own bounty seems like a good bargaining chip. The fact that they aren’t claiming already tells me that they may not be wholly trustworthy which is even more reason to want to protect myself.
I killed Tric for the reasons I outlined in my defence in day 1. I am not an agent of chaos, and I’m not fully sure there is one. There probably is some check and balance against cooperation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just a prisoner’s dilemma. I think a set-up of automated turrets is the more likely one. Gotta disable those before they shoot down the repair ship.
Post by: RoseHeart on November 26, 2020, 08:15:11 pm
I don't think Roseheart is actually on this station, unless that's the shopkeeper, but I do think we can destroy the cameras at least. And the microphone's too.
We shouldn't discuss any more such details until we make ourselves a blindspot.
*sobs*
"My poor cameras."
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2020, 08:36:42 pm
Post by: webadict on November 26, 2020, 08:40:50 pm
I am not an agent of chaos, and I’m not fully sure there is one. There probably is some check and balance against cooperation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just a prisoner’s dilemma. I think a set-up of automated turrets is the more likely one. Gotta disable those before they shoot down the repair ship.The Hunt Phase will show whether there's an agent of chaos. I actually think that cooperation is going to push the showrunners into more desperate measures.
On the plus side, I do have a way to force cooperation, so I'd prefer if we did that.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 26, 2020, 09:01:08 pm
And Happy Thanksgiving to everyone who celebrates it!
Post by: RoseHeart on November 27, 2020, 01:22:05 am
Post by: Shakerag on November 27, 2020, 10:43:16 am
I'm happy sitting on my ass and seeing this plan play out. Unless someone needs me to do something specific?
Post by: Caz on November 27, 2020, 11:41:53 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on November 27, 2020, 12:02:17 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on November 27, 2020, 12:44:47 pm
Post by: webadict on November 27, 2020, 02:11:57 pm
All:We know who set off the first stun bomb. But who set off the second one?No clue. It wasn't me. I was gonna nuke everyone.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 27, 2020, 02:13:05 pm
My bounty is on Toonyman, for the record.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 27, 2020, 02:17:01 pm
To hack the station we need a hacking tool.
Maybe somebody already has one, but if nobody does, then we'd have to buy a Replicator to make one which is 500 KOR.
So we need to collect all our pennies, nickles, and dimes once again. Unused items can be sold back to the shop for half-price.
Or we can collect a bounty.
I had one as partial insurance against any kind of late-game shenanigans, but I didn't use it.
My bounty is on Toonyman, for the record.
Give me back my scanner if you haven't used it yet.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 27, 2020, 02:52:03 pm
Is there enough loose change left for 500 KOR? Can we sell more than one tech in a Truce phase? We'll need to have some people sell their large tech items. Webadict seems fine with dying so I could kill him for the money without anyone needing to give tech up.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 27, 2020, 02:54:41 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 27, 2020, 03:11:05 pm
Is there enough loose change left for 500 KOR? Can we sell more than one tech in a Truce phase? We'll need to have some people sell their large tech items. Webadict seems fine with dying so I could kill him for the money without anyone needing to give tech up.I don't think we do. If nobody had spent any yet we could have had it, but I know some people bought small defensive items towards start of day.
Post by: webadict on November 27, 2020, 03:20:16 pm
Which means Heydude and Juicebox have bounties on each other.Hmmm... I'd rather it wasn't me. I was hoping to investigate during the Hunting Phase for a spacesuit to get into the mines. Either that, or find a way to revive TricMagic. I have a feeling that the Hunting Phase is going to involve more rules changes, and that we're going to lose people whether we like it or not, so I doubt a bounty will need to be officially collected.
Is there enough loose change left for 500 KOR? Can we sell more than one tech in a Truce phase? We'll need to have some people sell their large tech items. Webadict seems fine with dying so I could kill him for the money without anyone needing to give tech up.
Basically, I'd rather we explored other options before that. Or at least have a vote on it.
Several people bought 50 KOR items. Likely, they bought shields and anti-Tech. That either means some people will be fighting, or that they have the same feeling that I do.Is there enough loose change left for 500 KOR? Can we sell more than one tech in a Truce phase? We'll need to have some people sell their large tech items. Webadict seems fine with dying so I could kill him for the money without anyone needing to give tech up.I don't think we do. If nobody had spent any yet we could have had it, but I know some people bought small defensive items towards start of day.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 27, 2020, 03:26:16 pm
I'm not sure what I expected by signing up for Bastard Paranormal 3 but the point and click adventure game and barter economy simulator game I'm actually playing was definitely not it. (Not to say I'm not having a blast though.)
Hmmm... I'd rather it wasn't me.
If there was somebody who was willing to pick up the torch on all the repair ship and station hacking stuff I wouldn't mind being the bounty, but I'd prefer running down the non-violent options first.
Post by: webadict on November 27, 2020, 03:30:08 pm
Not everybody bought Intel so there have to be some of us out there with unclaimed and unused large items.I'd also prefer it wasn't you. The reason being that I trust you because you also gave up all 100 KOR. I do not trust anyone that did not give up 100 KOR.
I'm not sure what I expected by signing up for Bastard Paranormal 3 but the point and click adventure game and barter economy simulator game I'm actually playing was definitely not it. (Not to say I'm not having a blast though.)Hmmm... I'd rather it wasn't me.
If there was somebody who was willing to pick up the torch on all the repair ship and station hacking stuff I wouldn't mind being the bounty, but I'd prefer running down the non-violent options first.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 27, 2020, 03:42:05 pm
If we kill somebody it has to be somebody we know doesn't have a shield. Hence why everybody bought shields because they're playing to win. I'm willing to give some leeway if there's a special way for us to all win, but if "playing to win" happens then I'm also playing to win. In other words, I'll give up 50 KOR since it doesn't matter that much, but selling my large tech isn't happening.Not everybody bought Intel so there have to be some of us out there with unclaimed and unused large items.I'd also prefer it wasn't you. The reason being that I trust you because you also gave up all 100 KOR. I do not trust anyone that did not give up 100 KOR.
I'm not sure what I expected by signing up for Bastard Paranormal 3 but the point and click adventure game and barter economy simulator game I'm actually playing was definitely not it. (Not to say I'm not having a blast though.)Hmmm... I'd rather it wasn't me.If there was somebody who was willing to pick up the torch on all the repair ship and station hacking stuff I wouldn't mind being the bounty, but I'd prefer running down the non-violent options first.
So Webadict, sell your plasma bomb and give your money to Jim. Whether you die or not we'll maximize our KOR that way.
Post by: webadict on November 27, 2020, 04:08:29 pm
If we kill somebody it has to be somebody we know doesn't have a shield. Hence why everybody bought shields because they're playing to win. I'm willing to give some leeway if there's a special way for us to all win, but if "playing to win" happens then I'm also playing to win. In other words, I'll give up 50 KOR since it doesn't matter that much, but selling my large tech isn't happening.I'm sorry, but why do I need to sell anything of mine? You could give up the shield you got from the store. Why don't you sell your large tech before you ask me to sell mine?
So Webadict, sell your plasma bomb and give your money to Jim. Whether you die or not we'll maximize our KOR that way.
Basically, you can fuck off now. If you want to kill me, go right the fuck ahead. I'll be taking everyone with me if you do.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 27, 2020, 05:06:15 pm
Post by: webadict on November 27, 2020, 05:08:01 pm
Oooh scary. I can't collect your bounty to give to Jim if I'm dead though.Weird. How come I can sell my Large Tech, but you can't? Did you forget how?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 27, 2020, 05:09:26 pm
Post by: webadict on November 27, 2020, 05:12:29 pm
I'll sell my large tech and give the money to Jim if you do it first and Jim confirms it.
but selling my large tech isn't happening.I don't believe you.
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 27, 2020, 05:17:38 pm
Post by: webadict on November 27, 2020, 05:26:54 pm
Would you be willing to trust Caz to hand over money if they got a bounty?Caz, in spite of proclaiming peace, also only sent 50 KOR. That's better than some, but it's still not the best.
Like, the only person I trust with handing over money is Jim Groovester and myself because we're literally the only two that gave over all 100 KOR.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 27, 2020, 05:33:45 pm
It would have been funny.I'll sell my large tech and give the money to Jim if you do it first and Jim confirms it.but selling my large tech isn't happening.I don't believe you.
Webadict, proclaimer of peace:Would you be willing to trust Caz to hand over money if they got a bounty?Caz, in spite of proclaiming peace, also only sent 50 KOR. That's better than some, but it's still not the best.
Like, the only person I trust with handing over money is Jim Groovester and myself because we're literally the only two that gave over all 100 KOR.
1. Refuses to sell their extremely lethal and expensive plasma bomb.
2. Won't buy a cheap shield to protect themselves or is lying about what they have for safety.
Post by: heydude6 on November 27, 2020, 05:51:53 pm
The problem with sacrificial lambs in general though, is that someone who wants to play the game the traditional way can easily kill whoever collected bounty since we all claimed. Meph hasn't exactly made it clear where one's money goes when they die so it could very well go poof. I didn't get any money from Tric when I killed him, even though he had 100 KOR.
Meph, what happens to our money when we die? Can you give me Tric's cash? We could use it right about now.
Post by: Shakerag on November 27, 2020, 06:11:11 pm
Would you be willing to trust Caz to hand over money if they got a bounty?Caz, in spite of proclaiming peace, also only sent 50 KOR. That's better than some, but it's still not the best.
Like, the only person I trust with handing over money is Jim Groovester and myself because we're literally the only two that gave over all 100 KOR.
Technically speaking, I would have given 100 but I bought an item before Jim said anything.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 27, 2020, 06:17:00 pm
Meph, what happens to our money when we die? Can you give me Tric's cash? We could use it right about now.
Money is held in a bank account, so it's all digital. It's not physical, so you can't loot someone's wallet like that when they die.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 27, 2020, 06:19:14 pm
We can still discuss during Hunt Phase and trade I believe so we'll have more time.
Post by: heydude6 on November 27, 2020, 06:20:59 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 27, 2020, 06:25:14 pm
I see. Can I write a will then? If money is transferred electronically, it shouldn't be too hard to send it to a designated heir.
You'd have to contact a lawyer for a will. I suppose you could easily give someone else access to your account.
Post by: webadict on November 27, 2020, 06:36:48 pm
Webadict, proclaimer of peace:Again, you say I should sell my bomb, but you won't sell your nondescript Large Tech. Have I told you to sell yours? Weird, it's just a weird double standard. Seems like you're imposing a burden on me that you're unwilling to take on yourself. I've even claimed what I have.
1. Refuses to sell their extremely lethal and expensive plasma bomb.
2. Won't buy a cheap shield to protect themselves or is lying about what they have for safety.
Honestly, it really sounds like you want me to sell everything so that I have nothing so that you can kill me. Can I prove that? No. But, what you've just said is literally impossible unless I'm in a secret team with Jim Groovester. Do you think Jim Groovester is lying? Well, that can't be possible, because you said:
give the money to Jim if you do it first and Jim confirms it.Which means you trust Jim. So, I can't be lying unless Jim is lying, or I somehow have more than 100 KOR. So, do I have more than 100 KOR? That's weird, because I claimed to only have 100 KOR in my first post of the day. I, of course, could've gleaned this from earlier on Day 1 when someone explained how much money we had left, but that would have been odd, since you were the only one confused by that, so that might just you being confused. So, then what exactly am I suspected of? Having a bomb I literally claimed to already have?
As for point 2, I didn't buy a Shield because I didn't see the need for one. How is being an advocate for peace mean that I should be buying a Shield? That... literally undermines the point and indirectly says that I don't believe peace will work. If I didn't believe that peace would work, wouldn't I buy a shield?
I keep the bomb because it's mutually assured destruction. If you or anyone else attacks me, I will be detonating my bomb. That's all. It's simply a bargaining chip.
Forgivable. I'd probably trust Shakerag, too.Would you be willing to trust Caz to hand over money if they got a bounty?Caz, in spite of proclaiming peace, also only sent 50 KOR. That's better than some, but it's still not the best.
Like, the only person I trust with handing over money is Jim Groovester and myself because we're literally the only two that gave over all 100 KOR.
Technically speaking, I would have given 100 but I bought an item before Jim said anything.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 27, 2020, 06:53:04 pm
I notice there are a lot of silent people in this discussion about large tech items though.
Anyone else willing to spot some cash? Can Intel people sell their Intel?
We can still discuss during Hunt Phase and trade I believe so we'll have more time.
Negative on selling Intel.
We can discuss during the Hunt phase but I don't think we can buy things from the bot during the Hunt phase. If we want to make the hacking tool before the Hunt phase we're going to have to scrounge up the cash pretty damn quick.
(And I'll be running around for the next little bit so I may not be around for the phase transition anyway.)
I see. Can I write a will then? If money is transferred electronically, it shouldn't be too hard to send it to a designated heir.
You'd have to contact a lawyer for a will. I suppose you could easily give someone else access to your account.
Given what else is going on in this game this actually might be perfectly possible.
I have 100 KOR from contributions from
It doesn't have to be me who buys the Replicator so I can hand it over to somebody else if they collect a large sum of cash.
I'm not planning on targeting anybody during the Hunt phase even though juicebox is a very juicy, enticing target.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 27, 2020, 07:05:55 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 27, 2020, 08:08:42 pm
(https://imgur.com/aKDwMTG.png)
The Monitor in the Mess Hall has changed.
The Shop also recesses back into the wall and closes up. It won't be open again until the next Truce Phase. You may no longer buy or sell tech.
A voice booms out over the comms: "Good Hunting! And try to make this a bit more exciting, will you? We'd hate to disappoint the viewers out there."
The Hunt Phase has begun. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Sunday.
Night Actions my now be taken.
Post by: Caz on November 28, 2020, 04:24:09 am
Would you be willing to trust Caz to hand over money if they got a bounty?Caz, in spite of proclaiming peace, also only sent 50 KOR. That's better than some, but it's still not the best.
Like, the only person I trust with handing over money is Jim Groovester and myself because we're literally the only two that gave over all 100 KOR.
try forming your plans before i buy shiny things. also it's rich that you're the one running around saying people aren't trustworthy when you were going to bomb everyone last night. honestly i probably would have bought a shield even if jim needed the money first for such a reason. there's still 10 of us so why do half of us need to give up all of our credits while the others are free to buy medium techs?
also, either the 2nd stun bomb was roseheart or we do have some sneaky player.
Post by: webadict on November 28, 2020, 10:59:21 am
also it's rich that you're the one running around saying people aren't trustworthy when you were going to bomb everyone last night. honestly i probably would have bought a shield even if jim needed the money first for such a reason. there's still 10 of us so why do half of us need to give up all of our credits while the others are free to buy medium techs?...
...
Are you actually serious? I'm sorry, were you not paying attention Yesterday? Do we live in an alternate universe where things that happened in the past don't happen for you? Or maybe parts of forum threads become both inaccessible and entirely forgotten after 48 hours? I'm entirely baffled that you think that makes me untrustworthy, because to me (and Merriam-Webster), it sounds like I am.
Trustworthy means that you can usually rely on that person to be trusted or honest, yes? (The answer is yes, naturally. It's called Google.) And if I spent all of Yesterday:
- Saying "Hey guys, let's kill everyone."
- Defending why I believe we should kill everyone.
- Taking an item that helps kill everyone.
- Using that item to help kill everyone.
Then... You'd think that my words match my actions, yes? Because they do. Because I was being honest. Because we had no leads to go on, and it would've allowed us to win by our wincons. You see? All that defense exists on Day 1. Did you read it? I read it. A lot of other people read it. They all said: "Hey, let's kill everyone."
try forming your plans before i buy shiny things.If you simply said, "I bought mine before I realized there could be other things I'd need it for," I would've believed you. I literally believed Shakerag's post earlier, so it's really weird that you think I wouldn't have. But, you also said that you still would've bought it anyway. Plus, your reasoning is flawed because I am the one advocating here and I bought no items AND gave up my money. It's even worse given you were the guy advocating for peace, but then went out and bought a shield. How can peace work in that situation if you yourself don't believe in it?
Honestly, the reason I am disappointed in the people that bought an item first is because you know it's a Bastard game, and yet you somehow decided to buy the items first without knowing everything. It's just... I dunno. You have so much time to discuss beforehand. There's no reason to pull the trigger before you know everything. I dunno, I just thought that was part of how Exterminators worked. My bad for thinking, I guess.
Post by: Caz on November 28, 2020, 11:07:33 am
Post by: ToonyMan on November 28, 2020, 11:12:08 am
how is having shields a bad thing again?It's not and Webadict is mad he can't night kill you for free.
You can't kill people better with a shield, it's purely defensive. Only very expensive tech could by-pass a shield.
What do you think the 2 in the bullseye means? Second night technically?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: webadict on November 28, 2020, 12:08:14 pm
You are very misguided if you believe that.how is having shields a bad thing again?It's not and Webadict is mad he can't night kill you for free.
You can't kill people better with a shield, it's purely defensive. Only very expensive tech could by-pass a shield.
If you all keep playing by the rules of the original game, you're going to get yourselves and anyone that listens to you killed. Shields aren't going to protect you forever. It's weird given that I figure you'd be the one with the most knowledge on Battle Royale, Toony. It should be clear: The rules are no longer static. They are subject to change. They are subject to bending. They are subject to not being enforced. They are occasionally outright lies. If you keep thinking you're protected, you are going to end up betrayed by that feeling eventually. That's what always happens.
If it's as you say, Toony, then the only thing that will stop people from killing is knowing they won't be killed in return. But what happens if (and likely when) everyone finds out that shields no longer do that? Will we devolve into anarchy? Survival of the strongest? Or will we push for a way to survive regardless. I guess I partially am hypocritical in this. I don't need to kill anyone because I can already kill everyone. The really unfortunate part is that you haven't realized yet because you think that the game rules don't allow me to do so. Or maybe I'm unsure because the game rules aren't static? Who knows? All that can be said is that I haven't killed everyone, and I don't plan on it unless I have to.
The point is simple: You are better off hiding behind a sword instead. Or maybe like one of those shields with barbs on it. And if you don't have one, then you should be getting one. And if you can't get one or don't want to get one, then you're better off working with Jim. He has a plan. And I think it'll work. And if it doesn't, then it didn't cost me anything but 100 KOR. But, it's better than the alternative of "nothing" that you proposed.
I think the only takeaway you're going to get from this is that you might think I'm scum because I'm about to guess what's about to come. I'm not. I'm just putting the pieces I've found together as I go, and seeing where that path will take us. I am not always right, but in this case, I believe that my first guess on Day 1 was wrong. I still don't believe there is a Traitor or a DE, but I definitely believe that the situation is going to change until we're essentially forced to start killing each other. And I think that killing each other might win us the game, or it might not. And now that there is a goal to aim for, killing other people is pointless.
Basically, the saying goes:
If you can't beat them, join them.
If you can't join them, bribe them. <--- We are here.
And if you can't bribe them, blackmail them.
Right now, it's possible that no one takes up the offer to kill. It's also possible someone does. It will not be me, though. While I believe that Caz has been a contentious agent of chaos, I don't really care what they think because I'm going to try to find a way to revive TricMagic. And if you want to try to kill me, just be prepared for your own death.
how is having shields a bad thing again?It's not. What is a bad thing is buying a shield after asking for peace. Because it assumes that you don't believe that peace will inevitably come.
Post by: Caz on November 28, 2020, 12:16:36 pm
I don't need to kill anyone because I can already kill everyone. The really unfortunate part is that you haven't realized yet because you think that the game rules don't allow me to do so. Or maybe I'm unsure because the game rules aren't static? Who knows? All that can be said is that I haven't killed everyone, and I don't plan on it unless I have to.
What are you even talking about btw? Plasma bomb kills one person and chains anyone who interacted with them. You also either use it or you don't, if someone night kills you it's not like you can choose to only use it then.
how is having shields a bad thing again?It's not. What is a bad thing is buying a shield after asking for peace. Because it assumes that you don't believe that peace will inevitably come.
so... just stand in front of the maintenance droid and hope they won't shoot while we dismantle them for parts?
Post by: webadict on November 28, 2020, 12:38:29 pm
Oh? Do you really think that? I suppose I might understand your position if I also forgot everything that happened within the last 48 hours. Let's go over some facts that you haven't realized:
I don't need to kill anyone because I can already kill everyone. The really unfortunate part is that you haven't realized yet because you think that the game rules don't allow me to do so. Or maybe I'm unsure because the game rules aren't static? Who knows? All that can be said is that I haven't killed everyone, and I don't plan on it unless I have to.
What are you even talking about btw? Plasma bomb kills one person and chains anyone who interacted with them. You also either use it or you don't, if someone night kills you it's not like you can choose to only use it then.
1. Jim is calling for a repair ship. That was not possible in the original rules.
2. You and several others have bought an additional item. That was not possible in the original rules.
3. We can harvest maintenance droids. That was not possible in the original rules.
I don't know if you know this or not, but the AdrinoCorpTM Fusion Power Cells are really just bigger Plasma Bombs wrapped inside of a polar-induction forcefield to prevent catastrophe. They come with a critical factory defect that could potentially cause "unfortunate accidents," but you'd really only know that if you spent some time reading the safety manual or just asking about it from a couple of people in the know. But, obviously purely hypothetically, let's say you harvested maintenance droids for makeshift surgical equipment so that you could attach a dead-man switch to your own heart that would cause your own Plasma Bomb to detonate right next to this critical defect and destroy the entire ship you were standing on. Do you think that would be in the original rules?
so... just stand in front of the maintenance droid and hope they won't shoot while we dismantle them for parts?The burns you get are pretty minor. They won't matter much if you're planning on dying anyway.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 28, 2020, 12:42:49 pm
Way to take the entire game hostage hero.
Post by: Caz on November 28, 2020, 12:43:52 pm
Oh? Do you really think that? I suppose I might understand your position if I also forgot everything that happened within the last 48 hours. Let's go over some facts that you haven't realized:
I don't need to kill anyone because I can already kill everyone. The really unfortunate part is that you haven't realized yet because you think that the game rules don't allow me to do so. Or maybe I'm unsure because the game rules aren't static? Who knows? All that can be said is that I haven't killed everyone, and I don't plan on it unless I have to.
What are you even talking about btw? Plasma bomb kills one person and chains anyone who interacted with them. You also either use it or you don't, if someone night kills you it's not like you can choose to only use it then.
1. Jim is calling for a repair ship. That was not possible in the original rules.
2. You and several others have bought an additional item. That was not possible in the original rules.
3. We can harvest maintenance droids. That was not possible in the original rules.
I don't know if you know this or not, but the AdrinoCorpTM Fusion Power Cells are really just bigger Plasma Bombs wrapped inside of a polar-induction forcefield to prevent catastrophe. They come with a critical factory defect that could potentially cause "unfortunate accidents," but you'd really only know that if you spent some time reading the safety manual or just asking about it from a couple of people in the know. But, obviously purely hypothetically, let's say you harvested maintenance droids for makeshift surgical equipment so that you could attach a dead-man switch to your own heart that would cause your own Plasma Bomb to detonate right next to this critical defect and destroy the entire ship you were standing on. Do you think that would be in the original rules?
What a load of crap.
Post by: webadict on November 28, 2020, 12:50:06 pm
So the benevolent Webadict strapped a suicide bomb to his chest and is waving his arms in front of the power reactor, got it.Not a problem! I figured it'd only be helpful to have a powerful bargaining chip, and a Plan B in case it doesn't work. All I'm saying is that I needed a way to get everyone to start listening and stop arguing with me about things that are stupid to argue about. If I wanted to kill Caz or everyone else, I'd just do it. Now, you could say that I'm something of a benevolent dictator, but that's not entirely true. Think of me more as a police force. I just have one rule: Don't kill anyone.
Way to take the entire game hostage hero.
What a load of crap.I see that you are currently in Denial. Possibly Anger for not thinking about what to do with your time last Phase.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 28, 2020, 02:02:32 pm
It's clear that our win conditions proceed from the flavor and not the other way around. The more we push the boundaries of what Meph allows the more likely we are to find different win conditions.
I agree with webadict that our current win conditions are deceptive and playing to them is silly but I also don't feel strongly enough about it to fight with others about it.
try forming your plans before i buy shiny things.
I'll do better in the next truce phase.
FYI I'm probably going to be begging for money again.
so... just stand in front of the maintenance droid and hope they won't shoot while we dismantle them for parts?The burns you get are pretty minor. They won't matter much if you're planning on dying anyway.
You guys could try helping each other dismantle a maintenance droid. Together!
What a load of crap.
Considering the amount of stuff I've been getting away with via interaction with Meph I wouldn't rule that out as too implausible.
I don't know if you know this or not, but the AdrinoCorpTM Fusion Power Cells are really just bigger Plasma Bombs wrapped inside of a polar-induction forcefield to prevent catastrophe. They come with a critical factory defect that could potentially cause "unfortunate accidents," but you'd really only know that if you spent some time reading the safety manual or just asking about it from a couple of people in the know. But, obviously purely hypothetically, let's say you harvested maintenance droids for makeshift surgical equipment so that you could attach a dead-man switch to your own heart that would cause your own Plasma Bomb to detonate right next to this critical defect and destroy the entire ship you were standing on. Do you think that would be in the original rules?
How many of these fusion power cells are there? I was wondering if it would be doable to steal from the robo merchant but Meph said it would take at least a power bomb to get through and maybe even then it wouldn't work.
Maybe if we grabbed these bigger power bombs we could
Post by: webadict on November 28, 2020, 02:06:56 pm
How many of these fusion power cells are there? I was wondering if it would be doable to steal from the robo merchant but Meph said it would take at least a power bomb to get through and maybe even then it wouldn't work.Hmm... Well, if we could get INTO the reactor, it'd be a different story. The Power Stations is really just a control point. It's really just the one, I think. I'm not entirely sure how many are on the ship, but my guess is that you'd have a primary power source and maybe an auxiliary power station somewhere else on the ship. If we can get into the mines, there might be something in there that's worth something, but that involves finding a spacesuit... So far, nothing else seems to have anything worth anything, but I've been dismantling things as we go, just in case.
Maybe if we grabbed these bigger power bombs we couldblow a hole in the stationblast open the robot merchant and take all the power bombs and anti tech fields and shields and replicators we wanted.
Post by: Caz on November 28, 2020, 05:14:44 pm
You guys could try helping each other dismantle a maintenance droid. Together!
Well apparently webadict did dismantle a droid and used it to wire up a nuke to his chest so that he could kill us all. Forgive me if I'm not feeling all friendly about that.
Post by: webadict on November 28, 2020, 05:56:05 pm
No no no. I wired a nuke to my chest so that you don't kill me. There's a difference. I'm not the one trying to be hostile here.
You guys could try helping each other dismantle a maintenance droid. Together!
Well apparently webadict did dismantle a droid and used it to wire up a nuke to his chest so that he could kill us all. Forgive me if I'm not feeling all friendly about that.
Post by: Caz on November 28, 2020, 06:09:15 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 28, 2020, 06:45:40 pm
Why are we fighting? We don't need to be fighting.True. I think we have a fair amount of inactivity from some players recently...
More on some observations:
I noticed that Meph gave me a bounty on Webadict (who I was voting) and 4maskwolf was given a bounty on me (4mask was voting me). This is either a weird coincidence or Meph is trolling a bit as a bastard mod.
Vote Count First Day:
The Monitor
Luckyowl: heydude6, Jim Groovester
Toonyman: 4maskwolf
webadict: Toonyman
No Lynch: juicebox, Luckyowl, Shakerag, webadict
Bounty Claims:
Webadict claims a bounty on Caz.
ToonyMan claims a bounty on Webadict.
Jim Groovester claims a bounty on Juicebox.
Shakerag claims a bounty on Luckyowl.
Luckyowl claims a bounty on Shakerag.
Caz claims a bounty on 4maskwolf.
4maskwolf claims a bounty on ToonyMan
IcyTea31 claims a bounty on Jim Groovester
Implied:
Juicebox has a bounty on heydude6
heydude6 has a bounty on IcyTea31
Post by: heydude6 on November 28, 2020, 07:17:54 pm
Post by: heydude6 on November 28, 2020, 07:19:14 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on November 28, 2020, 10:30:54 pm
Also why don't we loot Tric for any tech he had on him. And if we're gonna try to collect 500KOR with the small change we got. I would prefer to give it to someone else other than Jim. But if he can show us the receipt of the purchase I'll be fine handing my 25 KOR to him.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 28, 2020, 10:40:53 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 28, 2020, 11:24:19 pm
Per Meph they'll show up at the start of the next Truce Phase so one way or the other you'll see that I'm not BSing you.
well, try not to blow yourself up. any ideas how we are going to get the 500KR for the hacking tool?
People need to quit being stingy with all their items. And it's not just webadict and ToonyMan being stubborn about their large items, there's quite a few people around here who are suspiciously silent when it comes to selling their loot to make some pocket change.
What I'm worried about is that the rules might change (again) at the end of this phase and the shop might not be available anymore, which would cut off our only currently viable way of getting Replicators to make the items we need to get out of here.
Bounty Claims:
Webadict claims a bounty on Caz.
ToonyMan claims a bounty on Webadict.
Jim Groovester claims a bounty on Juicebox.
Shakerag claims a bounty on Luckyowl.
Luckyowl claims a bounty on Shakerag.
Caz claims a bounty on 4maskwolf.
4maskwolf claims a bounty on ToonyMan
IcyTea31 claims a bounty on Jim Groovester
Implied:
Juicebox has a bounty on heydude6
heydude6 has a bounty on IcyTea31
Hm, so there's three bounty groups.
Shakerag -> Luckyowl -> Shakerag
webadict -> Caz -> 4maskwolf -> ToonyMan -> webadict
Jim Groovester -> juicebox -> heydude6 -> IcyTea31 -> Jim Groovester
Wonder if that's significant at all or just noise.
Post by: heydude6 on November 28, 2020, 11:40:36 pm
well, try not to blow yourself up. any ideas how we are going to get the 500KR for the hacking tool?
People need to quit being stingy with all their items. And it's not just webadict and ToonyMan being stubborn about their large items, there's quite a few people around here who are suspiciously silent when it comes to selling their loot to make some pocket change.
I'm broke Jim. I used my large tech on the Day 1 assassin bot and bought an item right at the start of Day 2 before we came up with our plan. I really don't have anything I can give you.
Post by: heydude6 on November 28, 2020, 11:43:26 pm
Shakerag -> Luckyowl -> Shakerag
webadict -> Caz -> 4maskwolf -> ToonyMan -> webadict
Jim Groovester -> juicebox -> heydude6 -> IcyTea31 -> Jim Groovester
Wonder if that's significant at all or just noise.
It means a single plasmabomb chain can't wipe us all out. Unless people act really stupid.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 29, 2020, 12:02:22 am
What I'm worried about is that the rules might change (again) at the end of this phase and the shop might not be available anymore, which would cut off our only currently viable way of getting Replicators to make the items we need to get out of here.What about players who got Replicators on Day 1? Even if they've already used them they should check if they can do anything with the used Replicator like stuffing small and medium tech into it or something.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2020, 12:09:49 am
I'm broke Jim.
If every player in the game donated as little as 50 KOR right now, we'd reach our donation goals in thirty seconds.
What I'm worried about is that the rules might change (again) at the end of this phase and the shop might not be available anymore, which would cut off our only currently viable way of getting Replicators to make the items we need to get out of here.What about players who got Replicators on Day 1? Even if they've already used them they should check if they can do anything with the used Replicator like stuffing small and medium tech into it or something.
Did anybody get Replicators on Day 1?
Maybe we can get them up and running again with a power source we can scavenge from the station or something like that.
Post by: heydude6 on November 29, 2020, 01:02:26 am
I'm broke Jim.
If every player in the game donated as little as 50 KOR right now, we'd reach our donation goals in thirty seconds.
Hey, I at least explained myself. Can't say that for everyone.
Post by: heydude6 on November 29, 2020, 01:03:46 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2020, 01:21:20 am
I'm broke Jim.
If every player in the game donated as little as 50 KOR right now, we'd reach our donation goals in thirty seconds.
Hey, I at least explained myself. Can't say that for everyone.
itsajoke
Post by: Caz on November 29, 2020, 04:36:24 am
webadict -> Caz -> 4maskwolf -> ToonyMan -> webadict
Oh right I see why webadict is suddenly so 'suspicious' of me now.
I had intel too, obviously. You got my last 50KOR. When day comes around I'm going to try and dismantle the maintenance bots for scrap now that I have a shield to protect from their weapons. Hopefully I can sell it or make the scrap into something to sell.
Though you're right, we could easily get enough if two people sell their large items. I know web has the ULTRA!!!BOMB!!!!!!!! and heydude used his, but c'mon there's no way every other player got intel. I counted only 3-4 that were seemingly aware of it day 1.
Post by: Shakerag on November 29, 2020, 11:16:56 am
Post by: webadict on November 29, 2020, 11:43:17 am
The worst part is that you think that's why. It must be unfortunate to be stuck in that loop when it's disproven with the easiest use of logic ever.webadict -> Caz -> 4maskwolf -> ToonyMan -> webadict
Oh right I see why webadict is suddenly so 'suspicious' of me now.
Do the simplest thought experiment alive: I kill you. I have 1000 KOR to use to save myself from literally everyone else because I am now a giant threat for three obvious reasons: 1) I'm playing the killing game, 2) I'm not following Jim's plan like I said I was and have therefore lost all credibility, and 3) I have a buttload of KOR.
No, the only way I can survive that is by getting more people to kill. And making myself a deadman bomber isn't going to entice a lot of people to do that.
Now, you probably think I strapped myself with a no-kill bomb to make it so I could kill you, but I came up with a good counter to that, thanks to some information.
There are several people in the game that now have access to my money account. The reason being that if you are not a part of your bounty's being killed, you recieve nothing. That way, I'd be cleared of killing you. Even in the case of a frame job.
You're really stuck inside your own head if you think I'd be stupid enough to kill you without thinking through the consequences. 1000 KOR gets me killed by the people that know my money balance. And it had nothing to do with the shields.
See? I'm not stupid enough to kill you.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 29, 2020, 12:59:35 pm
Right now I'm trying to connect to the repair spaceship and ask them when it get here to call us and we'll open up. If the repair spaceship calls back it can mean that there's no outside defense turrets, if they don't then something went wrong...I really hope they call.
I also wandered a bit and found Tric's body in some sort of morgue. Not sure how he got there, but it seems like all his gears were stripped off him. So if anyone looted him please sell them off so we can buy a hacking tool.
Anyways I'll be giving my 25KOR on top of that. My other 25KOR from my holdout blaster. So that's my 50 right there. I hope all of you do the same when the truce phase comes around.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 29, 2020, 02:58:54 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 29, 2020, 08:02:43 pm
You may still communicate during this time, but I won't be accepting any new activities until the Truce phase starts up.
Post by: webadict on November 29, 2020, 08:17:10 pm
Post by: Tiruin on November 29, 2020, 10:43:44 pm
Post by: webadict on November 30, 2020, 11:41:45 am
Oh cheese wow I missed this in the 2 weeks I was away due to local calamities and posting to watch aaaaaa it's nice to see people back!You can join BYOR 15!
Post by: Mephansteras on November 30, 2020, 12:19:36 pm
Post by: webadict on November 30, 2020, 08:07:32 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 30, 2020, 09:35:55 pm
As the announcement of the Truce Phase is broadcast across the station you all head back to the Mess hall.
Once there you find quite a sight.
(https://imgur.com/nu9ty1F.png)
Webadict’s body lies in pool of blood along side a trashed Assassin Bot and a pile of scrap electronics.
All three monitors seem to have been disassembled, although a maintenance droid is currently working on putting the main screen back together.
The voice of the spokesman comes over the loudspeakers:
“Well, that was much better! Quite a show you all put on! And now we’re down to six, as 4maskwolf, IcyTea31, juicebox, and webadict have all been crossed off the list!”
“However, it has also come to our attention that someone tried to call in a repair ship to help you get off this station without finishing the show! Now, we can’t have that, can we? You’re all guilty and you’ll all have to play along or die. Mostly die, really, but we’re not letting someone get off this station that easily! I promise you that they’re already being intercepted by our security forces as we speak.”
“But enough of that. Make your plans, buy your gear, and let’s have another round of glorious combat, shall we?”
The shop opens up in the wall and the droid inside comes to life again. The Truce has begun.
The Truce Phase has started. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Wednesday or until everyone has posted that they are Ready to proceed.
Very sorry about the delay. It was a combination of me not having as much time last night to work on the write-ups as I'd hoped and quite a lot of complicated interactions to get figured out and written up.
Oh geez, this Phase was bad, wasn't it?
...a bit, yeah.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2020, 09:38:52 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2020, 09:39:20 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on November 30, 2020, 10:23:32 pm
Jim Groovester: I didn't really do much during the hunting phase. However in my flavor text I took a stroll through hallway and saw a shadowy figured moving around, didn't really got a good look of them. After that another advertisement flash before my eyes some sort of food commercial for Helocrite Food Blaster 5000!
Not sure if it means anything.
Also the repair ship called, the whole sector that surrounds this station is being guarded by security ships with weapons. Sooo...yeah. I don't think we're going nowhere.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 30, 2020, 10:27:40 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 30, 2020, 10:28:21 pm
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Post by: Mephansteras on November 30, 2020, 10:41:31 pm
Meph: Can players kill more than one?
Not as a regular Night Kill action, but with some techs it is possible. Assassin Bot, for instance, does not use up the Exterminator's action to use.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 30, 2020, 10:52:37 pm
Webadict claims a bounty on Caz.
ToonyMan claims a bounty on Webadict.
Jim Groovester claims a bounty on Juicebox.
Shakerag claims a bounty on Luckyowl.
Luckyowl claims a bounty on Shakerag.
Caz claims a bounty on 4maskwolf .
4maskwolf claims a bounty on ToonyMan
IcyTea31 claims a bounty on Jim Groovester
Implied:
Juicebox has a bounty on heydude6
heydude6 has a bounty on IcyTea31
If we believe one kill per player than this leaves Heydude6, Caz, Jim Groovester, and Toonyman the most suspicious one. So I feel like you guys need to explain yourself a bit. I don't fully think that all 4 of you carried out the kill, but probably one or two of you did. Hopefully you guys can give an explanation.
Jim Groovester: Still planning on getting us out?
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Meph: Can players kill more than one?
Not as a regular Night Kill action, but with some techs it is possible. Assassin Bot, for instance, does not use up the Exterminator's action to use.
Thank you. This mean 3 people killed last night.
Post by: Luckyowl on November 30, 2020, 10:57:38 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 30, 2020, 11:27:36 pm
So I feel like you guys need to explain yourself a bit. I don't fully think that all 4 of you carried out the kill, but probably one or two of you did. Hopefully you guys can give an explanation.I targeted Juicebox last night because I didn't believe Jim, somebody else was there but I don't know who. Unless that other person wants to claim I believe Jim killed Juicebox and is playing the game.
Jim Groovester: Jim Groovester. I just saw you ransanking Webadict's corspe. Could you explain what item you got from him.Oh fuck, he is.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2020, 11:51:33 pm
I got to TricMagic's corpse well before Luckyowl publicly announced he was going to do the same thing. I wish he hadn't said anything at all about it so that I could keep taking items from dead peoplel without anybody else knowing this was even possible.
Also, webadict said I could have all his stuff if he died.
So I feel like you guys need to explain yourself a bit. I don't fully think that all 4 of you carried out the kill, but probably one or two of you did. Hopefully you guys can give an explanation.I targeted Juicebox last night because I didn't believe Jim, somebody else was there but I don't know who. Unless that other person wants to claim I believe Jim killed Juicebox and is playing the game.
This doesn't make any sense. If you didn't believe me why target juicebox, instead of me?
Jim Groovester: Jim Groovester. I just saw you ransanking Webadict's corspe. Could you explain what item you got from him.Oh fuck, he is.
Right, because I was completely bullshitting about the repair ship.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 01, 2020, 12:17:33 am
How much KOR do you really have?
ToonyMan: I agree with Jim, why kill Juicebox? But these exchange is quite interesting too.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 01, 2020, 12:35:56 am
This doesn't make any sense. If you didn't believe me why target juicebox, instead of me?
ToonyMan: I agree with Jim, why kill Juicebox? But these exchange is quite interesting too.Let me preface by saying I doubted either Jim or Juicebox would die unless there was a double target attempt.
By targeting Juicebox I wanted to confirm multiple things:
You've been gathering large sums of KOR for us, and if I can confirm soon you aren't the one that targeted Juicebox (which I notice you chose not to admit or deny in this post) then I could breathe a sigh of relief that you aren't here to play the game. If, on the other hand, you are the other person who targeted Juicebox, then you have at least 1,000 KOR now and are playing the game. Looting people in secret could go either way for me, but I need confirmation from someone else (or yourself) if you targeted Juicebox.
This is what I think if you're playing us: Cover story, which doesn't seem to matter anymore this Truce Phase because the repair ship is blocked. Speaking of which, we didn't all lose and blow up when Webadict was killed either did we? He lied with a cover story to try to protect himself. I didn't receive any KOR from Webadict, I don't know who killed him.Right, because I was completely bullshitting about the repair ship.Jim Groovester: Jim Groovester. I just saw you ransanking Webadict's corspe. Could you explain what item you got from him.Oh fuck, he is.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2020, 01:09:29 am
This is what I think if you're playing us: Cover story, which doesn't seem to matter anymore this Truce Phase because the repair ship is blocked. Speaking of which, we didn't all lose and blow up when Webadict was killed either did we? He lied with a cover story to try to protect himself. I didn't receive any KOR from Webadict, I don't know who killed him.
Cover story for what? I couldn't have spent everybody's hard earned KOR on items because Luckyowl called the shop and confirmed that a ship was on the way and the purchase price for it, and what do you know a ship shows up at the start of the phase.
I'm still terribly unclear on what nefarious deeds you thought I was up to and how killing juicebox was supposed to expose them.
Post by: Caz on December 01, 2020, 07:46:41 am
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“However, it has also come to our attention that someone tried to call in a repair ship to help you get off this station without finishing the show! Now, we can’t have that, can we? You’re all guilty and you’ll all have to play along or die. Mostly die, really, but we’re not letting someone get off this station that easily! I promise you that they’re already being intercepted by our security forces as we speak.”
And we're screwed.
Post by: Shakerag on December 01, 2020, 09:38:22 am
Shakerag: You still have your assassin bot on you?
Affirmative, why?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 01, 2020, 01:11:59 pm
I didn't kill juicebox. I was very tempted to, however.Got it, nobody else is claiming so let's see what Heydude says at this point.
We have some more game players after all.
Weird, the station didn't blow up.You killed 4mask and Webadict didn't you?
We're in a really bad situation. I'm not sure a mass tech claim would even help us since the innocent people will reveal their trump cards while the game players will just lie.Shakerag: You still have your assassin bot on you?Affirmative, why?
Post by: Luckyowl on December 01, 2020, 01:29:09 pm
Jim Groovester: Why were you planning on killing me on day 1?
Toonyman: Why did you thought targeting Juicebox would prove Jim's innocence? What if the shadowy figure did not strike first before you? wouldn't it just make you look like the agent of chaos? even if Jim didn't kill Juicebox, what's stopping him from killing the other three? It's not like he need the money anyways especially that he just looted Webadict, and Tric, and probably the other 3.
Shakerag: I just wanted to confirm something.
Post by: Caz on December 01, 2020, 02:16:51 pm
Weird, the station didn't blow up.You killed 4mask and Webadict didn't you?
You going to offer an explanation about how that would even be possible? I gave Jim my KOR (confirmed), so there's literally no way I can even do that.
And as obviously full of crap as web was, you had a bounty on him (which I assume means you have lots of KOR now). Cool. How about getting us a hacking tool so we can take control of the station and stop the repair ship being blown up?
Post by: Shakerag on December 01, 2020, 03:00:02 pm
I checked 4maskwolf's body and it looks like he was killed by a plasma pistol. My guess is that there is 3 killers and those 3 killers must be the agent of chaos. For this reason, I estimate Jim Groovester, Toonyman, and Shakerag killed last night.
Not that I think anyone can confirm it, but I haven't taken a night action yet.
Did anyone look at the bodies of 4maskwolf, IcyTea31, juicebox, and webadict to confirm how they were killed?
Meph: Can I inspect the bodies of 4maskwolf, IcyTea31, juicebox, and webadict to determine how they were killed?
Post by: Shakerag on December 01, 2020, 03:54:54 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 01, 2020, 06:23:16 pm
Toonyman: Why did you thought targeting Juicebox would prove Jim's innocence? What if the shadowy figure did not strike first before you? wouldn't it just make you look like the agent of chaos? even if Jim didn't kill Juicebox, what's stopping him from killing the other three? It's not like he need the money anyways especially that he just looted Webadict, and Tric, and probably the other 3.True, Jim could have killed one of the other victims, but there would be no bounty to claim in that case. Maybe my play wasn't the best choice, but at least I came forward with my actions where as the other Juicebox killer is keeping quiet (let alone the other three people that have died). I checked with Meph and if that other Juicebox attacker is Jim then he would get claim to the bounty.
Looting corpses and trading tech are both possible actions, you could have trade/sold tech and bought the bot on the previous Truce Phase for example, you clearly have motivation to remove both of these people. I'm willing to bet at least you and one of Jim/Heydude have a bounty in their balance.You going to offer an explanation about how that would even be possible? I gave Jim my KOR (confirmed), so there's literally no way I can even do that.Weird, the station didn't blow up.You killed 4mask and Webadict didn't you?
Looks like 4mask, Icy, and juicebox were all killed by plasma pistols, webadict definitely killed by the assassin bot. So I concur that three people got trigger happy last night.Anyone you trust enough here to trade your Assassin Bot back and forth with to support your claim story?
@Heydude, we need some input today.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2020, 06:47:59 pm
I'm receiving fragments of messages telepathically from somewhere. My guess is people in dead chat are trying to contact me but I can't rule out that the source is from somewhere else.
Not going to claim how much money I have nor what items were on the people I looted. If nobody had died I wouldn't be hesitating but four people did so I can't say I'm willing to extend a lot of trust at the moment.
IcyTea31 had a used personal shield on him so he was attacked twice.
Post by: heydude6 on December 01, 2020, 07:03:35 pm
Right now, Jim and Toonyman are going at eachother's throats and I want you guys to stop it. At this rate, things are going to devolve into a mexican stand-off. Though the the idea of somehow politically outmaneuvering one's way into victory is appealing, I doubt anybody is actually going to win.
Let me give you a few end-game scenarios:
- Only two of us are left at the start of day 3. Our only choices are to NK eachother or to tech-kill eachother. Regardless, the survivors will almost certainly at this point have collected a bounty so mutual plasmabomb is the inevitable outcome.
- Only 3 of us are left at the end of day 3. This one actually does have some room for maneuvering into a victory. It's a question of whether two people will both plasmabomb eachother. If that happens, then the 3rd player will be the victor. It's still very Dicy though.
- Only 4 of us left. I see this as the best case scenario if we continue on this paranoid path. Trying to end up as a lone survivor probably is do-able, but whittling yourselves down to the last 2 is also a dangerous risk.
Of course, maybe some of you still think this is worth pursuing, I don't blame you. A chance is a chance, but let me say something that will quiet the ambitions of the more active of you. Last night there were 4 people who 100% without a shadow of a doubt killed someone. Those people were Jim Groovester, Toonyman, Caz, and myself Heydude6.
- I targeted Juicebox with a mind-control ray and sent him at Iceytea because I didn't want him to kill me. I then used my night action to kill Iceytea, since I was expecting a shield to absorb Juicebox's attack.
- Caz killed 4maskwolf
- Jim and Toonyman both targeted Juicebox
- Either Jim or Toonyman killed webadict with an assassin bot and likely tampered with his corpse.
Now that I've exposed us, I think it would be stupid to try winning the traditional way. We can stop self-righteously trying to blame murders on other people now, and start trying to work together again.
That may sound a bit silly considering all the carnage that's been caused, but I honestly believe that most of us were trying to escape during day 2. Jim genuinely spent his money to call the ship, Toonyman compiled the list of bounty chains, and Luckyowl and Shakerag didn't kill last night. Unfortunately, we didn't have enough money so a fair amount of us talked about a potential need for a bounty claim.
Spoiler: quotes (click to show/hide)
And due to a lack of communication (it is a touchy subject after all), all of us acted on our own to get those funds.
And now we have those funds. Today is our best chance of getting out of here peacefully. Tomorrow onwards, people will die and that money will be gone.
I'm not a fool though. Our actions have broken the trust of our teammates and have caused paranoia. Something must be done. This is what I came up with.
READ CAREFULLY
Caz, Toonyman, Jim Groovester, and me Heydude6, will give our 1000 KOR bounties to Shakerag because he is one of the only two people who didn't kill that night. If he you have already bought some tech today, tell us what it is and then sell it (or sell your day 1 medium tech instead if you still have it).
This does two things. First, It disarms us and makes us much less dangerous. We are less likely to win the final showdown without tech and are therefore better incentivized to cooperate and be trustworthy.
Second. A large central pool of funds will allow us to better finance whatever plans we come up with, avoiding the problems on day 2.
Of course, even this is not enough. Here is the next part of the agreement and the part that you must listen to. If you do not give up your cash when asked to,and you cannot come up with a good explanation, then I will give my money to Shakerag or LuckyOwl and have them plasmabomb you tonight. Either you give us your money or you die with it. Carrying it into day 3 is not an option for us murderers.
Cooperation will be doomed by that point, but at least no one who's killed will have a chance at winning. So your best play is to try to make it out alive with us.
Is that clear? Once the money has been transferred, we can start discussing a new plan. I spent a lot of my day focusing on that as well. But we need to prevent the GMs from listening in on us this time.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 01, 2020, 08:56:54 pm
Okay great, so three bounties were claimed last night then. Heydude on IcyTea, Caz on 4mask, and Jim on Juicebox.
I'm willing to sell my large tech (which I'll admit is a plasma bomb now) and give the cash to Shakerag once it's proven he still has his assassin bot on him. I'm okay with cooperating considering I think Heydude is being sincere here, plus my plasma bomb is too dangerous to use anymore.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2020, 09:29:44 pm
stuff
lmao you are literally the least trusting person in this game and you want to talk about trust and cooperation?
You have been the most disruptive element to any peaceful resolution to this game.
Why should I extend any faith in any plan you propose?
Post by: heydude6 on December 01, 2020, 09:44:29 pm
Also I laugh at how you accuse me of being the most disruptive element. I only killed one person last night, yet somehow there are 4 bodies. Right now, I'm the only person trying to keep this team together.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2020, 09:54:12 pm
Right now, I'm the only person trying to keep this team together.
I only killed one person last night
I can't resolve the juxtaposition between your stated intentions and your claimed actions.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 01, 2020, 09:58:57 pm
Also I laugh at how you accuse me of being the most disruptive element. I only killed one person last night, yet somehow there are 4 bodies. Right now, I'm the only person trying to keep this team together.I think Jim is referring to the fact you blind fired Tricmagic on Day 1. (I still think that was just a bad play)
I'm responsible for zero deaths, so try again.So this is how it's going to be is it.
Post by: heydude6 on December 01, 2020, 10:07:21 pm
I'm responsible for zero deaths, so try again.Right now, I'm the only person trying to keep this team together.I only killed one person last night
I can't resolve the juxtaposition between your stated intentions and your claimed actions.
I love your use of Ad-hominem. It may be my plan, but I'm not the one executing it. That is in the hands of the innocent ones. Maybe try convincing them why it won't work. I'm bound by these rules just as your are. Once Shakerag comes back online it will be easy for him to confirm that I transferred him the money.
Post by: heydude6 on December 01, 2020, 10:10:01 pm
I can't resolve the juxtaposition between your stated intentions and your claimed actions.
But seriously, we needed the money.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2020, 10:46:00 pm
I'm receiving fragments of messages telepathically from somewhere. My guess is people in dead chat are trying to contact me but I can't rule out that the source is from somewhere else.
I received two messages. It's hard to explain what they are without quoting the PM directly. The first one is barely a message at all and is a few letters separated by ellipsis.
The second is much clearer. It mentions 'time left' and 'escape plan'.
I think there's a way to resolve this peacefully but seriously all of you need to stop killing each other.
IcyTea31 had a used personal shield on him so he was attacked twice.
He had a used personal shield, a stab wound in the throat, and a plasma hole in his chest. I think that might be at least two attempts, and likely three.
I didn't check the other bodies but it would probably be smart to check them closely for the number of attempts in order to run down what happened during the phase.
Toonyman: Why did you thought targeting Juicebox would prove Jim's innocence? What if the shadowy figure did not strike first before you? wouldn't it just make you look like the agent of chaos? even if Jim didn't kill Juicebox, what's stopping him from killing the other three? It's not like he need the money anyways especially that he just looted Webadict, and Tric, and probably the other 3.True, Jim could have killed one of the other victims, but there would be no bounty to claim in that case. Maybe my play wasn't the best choice, but at least I came forward with my actions where as the other Juicebox killer is keeping quiet (let alone the other three people that have died). I checked with Meph and if that other Juicebox attacker is Jim then he would get claim to the bounty.
I collected juicebox's bounty but I was not trying to kill him. I was attempting to see if it was possible to fake his death in order to collect the bounty.
He was in on it. We were making a show of struggling when he started behaving oddly and darted off to go attack somebody. So I can confirm heydude6 using Mind Control on juicebox.
Afterward I engaged in a short shootout with juicebox's killer and then left.
According to Meph since it looked like I was trying to kill juicebox, but wasn't actually trying to kill him, I collected his bounty.
And as obviously full of crap as web was, you had a bounty on him (which I assume means you have lots of KOR now). Cool. How about getting us a hacking tool so we can take control of the station and stop the repair ship being blown up?
The repair ship called me at the start of the phase and told me they were stopped by armed ships and had to turn around.
Don't worry about the hacking tool since I already bought a Replicator and made one.
I can't resolve the juxtaposition between your stated intentions and your claimed actions.
But seriously, we needed the money.
Okay this is the first thing you've said that I somewhat agree with.
I think we could've made do without the killing though. (Hence me trying to collect juicebox's bounty bloodlessly.)
I had enough faith in people not killing me that I didn't feel the need to protect myself from the possibility. This faith was completely misplaced apparently.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 01, 2020, 11:23:43 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2020, 11:31:32 pm
Hm. Do you think there's some sort of organization trying to help us escape?
No idea.
Jim, can you tell me how you are communicating with them?
Psychically. I discarded my mind shield on Night 1. I had to focus and meditate to get the second message clearer than the first one.
I'm not communicating with them, they're communicating with me.
Post by: heydude6 on December 01, 2020, 11:34:39 pm
I think there's a way to resolve this peacefully but seriously all of you need to stop killing each other.
I agree too. That's why I'm trying to go for disarmament. Killing eachother will become harder to do. Doing this is a powerful gesture to show that we aren't going to fight eachother anymore. The fact that it's compulsory is only there to make those with massive egos realize that they aren't going to win this thing with violence.
IcyTea31 had a used personal shield on him so he was attacked twice.
He had a used personal shield, a stab wound in the throat, and a plasma hole in his chest. I think that might be at least two attempts, and likely three.
I didn't check the other bodies but it would probably be smart to check them closely for the number of attempts in order to run down what happened during the phase.
That was just a flavour thing. IceyTea was running down the hall to escape from some unknown threat and ran into me. My guy grabbed his gun arm and stabbed him in the throat. Then he shot him in the heart with the gun arm to finish him off. It was just meant to make me look badass.
Toonyman: Why did you thought targeting Juicebox would prove Jim's innocence? What if the shadowy figure did not strike first before you? wouldn't it just make you look like the agent of chaos? even if Jim didn't kill Juicebox, what's stopping him from killing the other three? It's not like he need the money anyways especially that he just looted Webadict, and Tric, and probably the other 3.True, Jim could have killed one of the other victims, but there would be no bounty to claim in that case. Maybe my play wasn't the best choice, but at least I came forward with my actions where as the other Juicebox killer is keeping quiet (let alone the other three people that have died). I checked with Meph and if that other Juicebox attacker is Jim then he would get claim to the bounty.
I collected juicebox's bounty but I was not trying to kill him. I was attempting to see if it was possible to fake his death in order to collect the bounty.
He was in on it. We were making a show of struggling when he started behaving oddly and darted off to go attack somebody. So I can confirm heydude6 using Mind Control on juicebox.
Afterward I engaged in a short shootout with juicebox's killer and then left.
According to Meph since it looked like I was trying to kill juicebox, but wasn't actually trying to kill him, I collected his bounty.
I could honestly believe that story based on how you acted in day 2, but it contradicts Toonyman's account. If it happened the way you said it did, then Toonyman would have been the one who dealt the killing blow, but he denies it.
I want to hear Toonyman's response.
It would help your case if you sent your tool to a trusted party (Shakerrag or LuckyOwl) so they could verify its existence. Is it a single-use tool or is it reusable? That info could help in future escape plans.And as obviously full of crap as web was, you had a bounty on him (which I assume means you have lots of KOR now). Cool. How about getting us a hacking tool so we can take control of the station and stop the repair ship being blown up?
The repair ship called me at the start of the phase and told me they were stopped by armed ships and had to turn around.
Don't worry about the hacking tool since I already bought a Replicator and made one.
I had enough faith in people not killing me that I didn't feel the need to protect myself from the possibility. This faith was completely misplaced apparently.
We now have the money and the plan is meant to curb violence. Don't give up. I am working on something and I'm sure you guys can come up with something else if you don't trust me.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 01, 2020, 11:36:38 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 01, 2020, 11:51:09 pm
I collected juicebox's bounty but I was not trying to kill him. I was attempting to see if it was possible to fake his death in order to collect the bounty.You...pretended to kill Juicebox but also got the bounty from him? In other words, if I had not targeted Juicebox then you likely would not have gotten paid. That's wild.
He was in on it. We were making a show of struggling when he started behaving oddly and darted off to go attack somebody. So I can confirm heydude6 using Mind Control on juicebox.
Afterward I engaged in a short shootout with juicebox's killer and then left.
According to Meph since it looked like I was trying to kill juicebox, but wasn't actually trying to kill him, I collected his bounty.
I could honestly believe that story based on how you acted in day 2, but it contradicts Toonyman's account. If it happened the way you said it did, then Toonyman would have been the one who dealt the killing blow, but he denies it.You're talking about the ":3" faces right? Let me check my Night flavor again more thoroughly.
I want to hear Toonyman's response.
Okay, after checking closely I can confirm I left first after shooting Juicebox with my laser gun so I have to admit it could line up with what Jim is saying.
The repair ship called me at the start of the phase and told me they were stopped by armed ships and had to turn around.
Don't worry about the hacking tool since I already bought a Replicator and made one.
It would help your case if you sent your tool to a trusted party (Shakerrag or LuckyOwl) so they could verify its existence. Is it a single-use tool or is it reusable? That info could help in future escape plans.Good, I can get behind this.
Post by: heydude6 on December 02, 2020, 12:03:25 am
I could honestly believe that story based on how you acted in day 2, but it contradicts Toonyman's account. If it happened the way you said it did, then Toonyman would have been the one who dealt the killing blow, but he denies it.You're talking about the ":3" faces right? Let me check my Night flavor again more thoroughly.
I want to hear Toonyman's response.
Okay, after checking closely I can confirm I left first after shooting Juicebox with my laser gun so I have to admit it could line up with what Jim is saying.
The fact that you aren't immediately tearing into him gives me faith that Jim might be telling the truth. If it somehow did happen in such a way, then neither of you would have looted him yet unless you looted his body after the fight. In that case, the one who looted him can tell us what items he had or I can wait for Meph to tell me the results of my own examination. Seems like we should have this case wrapped up soon.
Unless one of us knows a reason why juicebox might not have any items?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 02, 2020, 12:06:01 am
If this is true I believe this is how we can win "the other way". I wasn't convinced when people were talking about hearing dumb advertisements earlier. Has anyone else heard these sorts of messages? I have not turned off my mind shield this game but I probably should huh?Jim, can you tell me how you are communicating with them?Psychically. I discarded my mind shield on Night 1. I had to focus and meditate to get the second message clearer than the first one.
I'm not communicating with them, they're communicating with me.
Well, I'll try to meditate to see if I'll get anything. Everyone else should do the same. This way we can confirm a possible third party in the mix.We'll show those GMs we aren't playing their game.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 02, 2020, 12:20:39 am
I agree too. That's why I'm trying to go for disarmament. Killing eachother will become harder to do. Doing this is a powerful gesture to show that we aren't going to fight eachother anymore. The fact that it's compulsory is only there to make those with massive egos realize that they aren't going to win this thing with violence.
webadict tried cooperation from the barrel of a gun and look where that got him.
Coercive methods are very bad for generating the trust needed for people to actually cooperate.
After all, in theory, the penalty for not cooperating when being coerced is losing a game of mafia, which isn't that stiff of a penalty and may be worth risking for the satisfaction of sticking it to somebody who's trying to act tough in a game of mafia.
We now have the money and the plan is meant to curb violence. Don't give up. I am working on something and I'm sure you guys can come up with something else if you don't trust me.
Sure, maybe, but we also don't have explanations for webadict and 4maskwolf dying, so it is much too soon to be having discussions about cooperating.
It would help your case if you sent your tool to a trusted party (Shakerrag or LuckyOwl) so they could verify its existence. Is it a single-use tool or is it reusable? That info could help in future escape plans.
No.
I can send you my used up Replicator but I'm not going to give away my hacking tool even to verify that I possess it. At best you can confirm that I could have made it, and that with the 200 IQ lateral thinking I've been doing all game long you'll have to assume that I couldn't possibly resist not having it to explore the possibilities it would open up for me.
As for the mechanics behind the tool, you can verify those with Mephansteras.
Post by: heydude6 on December 02, 2020, 01:28:03 am
webadict tried cooperation from the barrel of a gun and look where that got him.
The Webadict murder probably is the saddest part of that entire night. I'm certain solving it would be essential to winning this. If we assume it isn't Toonyman for the sake of argument, why would someone without a bounty on him want him dead?
Changed it to make a point.I agree too. That's why I'm trying to go for disarmament. Killing eachother will become harder to do. Doing this is a powerful gesture to show that we aren't going to fight eachother anymore. The fact that it's compulsory is only there to make those with massive egos realize that they aren't going to win this thing with violence.After all, in theory, the penalty for not cooperating when being coerced is losing a game of mafia, which isn't that stiff of a penalty and may be worth risking for the satisfaction ofsticking it to somebody who's trying to act tough in a game of mafia.being a badass who was able to outwit 10 other players.
Petty emotions are the main reason why we are in this situation in the first place. Nobody is going to be able to win if we cling to them. Right now, I'm offering everyone who has killed someone last night the chance to redeem themselves alongside the safety of knowing that those who would try to take revenge on them don't have the means to do so. The majority of us are killers. We need this. There is no way of winning if there is still anyone with the intent of killing at the end of this day. I can only guarantee that they won't win either. They're not getting that satisfaction either way.
Even without my change, I think the satisfaction of somehow managing pull a win out of this together is more satisfying than sticking it to one player you don't like.
We now have the money and the plan is meant to curb violence. Don't give up. I am working on something and I'm sure you guys can come up with something else if you don't trust me.
Sure, maybe, but we also don't have explanations for webadict and 4maskwolf dying, so it is much too soon to be having discussions about cooperating.
I'm pretty sure Caz killed 4maskwolf, but he left bay12 before he could see my post. I do want to hear his thoughts though.
As for Web, I want Luckyowl to verify the continued existence of Shakerrag's assassin bot to at least put that suspicion aside. My top suspect for Web's death is Toony, and if he would confess and hand over the bounty to Shakerag, it would be a great step on the road to cooperation.
It would help your case if you sent your tool to a trusted party (Shakerrag or LuckyOwl) so they could verify its existence. Is it a single-use tool or is it reusable? That info could help in future escape plans.
No.
I can send you my used up Replicator but I'm not going to give away my hacking tool even to verify that I possess it. At best you can confirm that I could have made it, and that with the 200 IQ lateral thinking I've been doing all game long you'll have to assume that I couldn't possibly resist not having it to explore the possibilities it would open up for me.
As for the mechanics behind the tool, you can verify those with Mephansteras.
Obviously, I would have them send it back. If they didn't I would plasmabomb them myself. I'll Pm Meph about the specs though. Maybe there's some other way of proving that you have it.
Post by: Caz on December 02, 2020, 08:11:22 am
People who keep saying we need to have peace are pretty funny to me given that the only peace we had was when I stunned everyone day 1. Esp heydude who has killed 2 people already. :D
But I do want to see where this 'psychic voices' things goes.
Post by: Caz on December 02, 2020, 08:25:50 am
Caz, Toonyman, Jim Groovester, and me Heydude6, will give our 1000 KOR bounties to Shakerag because he is one of the only two people who didn't kill that night. If he you have already bought some tech today, tell us what it is and then sell it (or sell your day 1 medium tech instead if you still have it).
This does two things. First, It disarms us and makes us much less dangerous. We are less likely to win the final showdown without tech and are therefore better incentivized to cooperate and be trustworthy.
Beyond awful plan, how do you even prove you have discarded items? What if the 'bank' character dies or goes rogue?
We are better off all having five guns each all pointed at each other.
Of course, even this is not enough. Here is the next part of the agreement and the part that you must listen to. If you do not give up your cash when asked to,and you cannot come up with a good explanation, then I will give my money to Shakerag or LuckyOwl and have them plasmabomb you tonight. Either you give us your money or you die with it. Carrying it into day 3 is not an option for us murderers.
This isn't really helpful because whoever you are deciding to kill can just plasmabomb themselves too. Plasmabombs for all :D
I don't know why you are obsessed with stopping everyone from using the KOR. Jim already used it to get a hacking device which might help us actually win this game without us all dying. And the cost of obtaining all this $ was high in the first place.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 02, 2020, 09:01:34 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 02, 2020, 11:01:11 am
Meph: I want to show my mind shield to everyone here.
Luckyowl shows off their mind shield. It is clearly turned off at the moment
Truce phase ends ~5pm Pacific Today (about 9 hours)
Post by: heydude6 on December 02, 2020, 12:24:48 pm
Caz, Toonyman, Jim Groovester, and me Heydude6, will give our 1000 KOR bounties to Shakerag because he is one of the only two people who didn't kill that night. If he you have already bought some tech today, tell us what it is and then sell it (or sell your day 1 medium tech instead if you still have it).
This does two things. First, It disarms us and makes us much less dangerous. We are less likely to win the final showdown without tech and are therefore better incentivized to cooperate and be trustworthy.
Beyond awful plan, how do you even prove you have discarded items? What if the 'bank' character dies or goes rogue?
You could have asked those exact same questions when you gave Jim the money to call a ship, but you didn’t because you trusted his character. I trust Shakerag’s character because he was one of the only few people who didn’t claim a bounty last night.
As for death, that would be a lot less likely if anyone who would want to kill him didn’t have tech. There are also ways of arranging your money to go to someone else in the event of your death.
More importantly though, no plan is going to work if everyone in this room doesn’t already agree to cooperate. Giving your money is more of a way of stating that you’ve renounced your murderous ways rather than a fool-proof method of stopping all violence. If you aren’t going to show faith yourself, why should anyone have faith in you?
how do you even prove you have discarded items?
If you’re talking about Iceytea’s used up personal shield, single use items leave remnants when they’re used, like candy wrappers. When you inspect a corpse, you will find those remnants.
This isn't really helpful because whoever you are deciding to kill can just plasmabomb themselves too. Plasmabombs for all :D
I don't know why you are obsessed with stopping everyone from using the KOR. Jim already used it to get a hacking device which might help us actually win this game without us all dying. And the cost of obtaining all this $ was high in the first place.
If it actually got to the point where we would be using plasmabombs, then cooperation would have already failed. At that point, we would just be eliminating the players who were the biggest threats, ie. the jerks who won’t cooperate, because they were probably gonna kill tonight anyway. They can’t kill everyone though, so those who sided with the plan will be more likely to actually make it to the end.
KOR spent on weaponry is wasteful. If I actually end up having to buy the plasmabombs to execute my plan’s worst-case scenario, then we probably won’t have the funds to win anymore. The hacking device might help, but it would have been better to buy it after we made a new plan for it, to make sure it would remain useful.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 02, 2020, 12:43:13 pm
It would help your case if you sent your tool to a trusted party (Shakerrag or LuckyOwl) so they could verify its existence. Is it a single-use tool or is it reusable? That info could help in future escape plans.
No.
I can send you my used up Replicator but I'm not going to give away my hacking tool even to verify that I possess it. At best you can confirm that I could have made it, and that with the 200 IQ lateral thinking I've been doing all game long you'll have to assume that I couldn't possibly resist not having it to explore the possibilities it would open up for me.
As for the mechanics behind the tool, you can verify those with Mephansteras.Meph: I want to show my mind shield to everyone here.
Luckyowl shows off their mind shield. It is clearly turned off at the moment
Truce phase ends ~5pm Pacific Today (about 9 hours)
If you're not willing to give your item for verification, how about you show it. So we can at least know you are telling the truth. It won't hurt Jim. You're already willing to claim you have one. Might as well show it.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 02, 2020, 12:44:20 pm
It would help your case if you sent your tool to a trusted party (Shakerrag or LuckyOwl) so they could verify its existence. Is it a single-use tool or is it reusable? That info could help in future escape plans.
No.
I can send you my used up Replicator but I'm not going to give away my hacking tool even to verify that I possess it. At best you can confirm that I could have made it, and that with the 200 IQ lateral thinking I've been doing all game long you'll have to assume that I couldn't possibly resist not having it to explore the possibilities it would open up for me.
As for the mechanics behind the tool, you can verify those with Mephansteras.Meph: I want to show my mind shield to everyone here.
Luckyowl shows off their mind shield. It is clearly turned off at the moment
Truce phase ends ~5pm Pacific Today (about 9 hours)
If you're not willing to give your item for verification, how about you show it. So we can at least know you are telling the truth. It won't hurt Jim. You're already willing to claim you have one. Might as well show it.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 02, 2020, 12:59:42 pm
Meph, I want to show off my hacking tool. I also want to do a magic trick and make rude gestures.
Post by: Shakerag on December 02, 2020, 01:03:20 pm
Post by: Shakerag on December 02, 2020, 01:04:00 pm
Post by: Caz on December 02, 2020, 01:06:49 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 02, 2020, 01:10:26 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 02, 2020, 01:16:47 pm
"us"? and..."Im"...not sure what that mean at all. Everyone please try to tap into your Psychic ability. Someone, or something is trying to communicate with us.
Post by: heydude6 on December 02, 2020, 01:28:14 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 02, 2020, 01:32:55 pm
Oh shit, I just got a communication...I guess Jim wasn't lying after all. So right...I got...I got...uh...something something something...Maybe some psychic people are on this space asteroid thing and need help somewhere inside?
"us"? and..."Im"...not sure what that mean at all. Everyone please try to tap into your Psychic ability. Someone, or something is trying to communicate with us.
I already sold my plasma bomb in real-life yesterday, but I can show my stun bomb.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 02, 2020, 01:38:29 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 02, 2020, 01:39:09 pm
Oh shit, I just got a communication...I guess Jim wasn't lying after all. So right...I got...I got...uh...something something something...Maybe some psychic people are on this space asteroid thing and need help somewhere inside?
"us"? and..."Im"...not sure what that mean at all. Everyone please try to tap into your Psychic ability. Someone, or something is trying to communicate with us.
I already sold my plasma bomb in real-life yesterday, but I can show my stun bomb.
Have we ever tried to check the mine? Web said we need a spacesuit to get into the mine. This make it the last place we haven't explored.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 02, 2020, 01:48:20 pm
I can do that.
Meph, I want to show off my hacking tool. I also want to do a magic trick and make rude gestures.
Jim pulls out a hacking tool from his jacket. He then makes a coin disappear and flips off the crowd as he reveals his empty hand.
Meph: I'll show off my assassin bot in the style of Al Pacino in Scarface.
Shakerag opens up his coat to reveal an assassin bot. Its red lights blink menacingly at everyone.
Meph: Can you show off the 'lack' of an item? Like turning out your pockets or something?
You can, it'll basically reveal everything you have on you.
Meph: I want show my Plasmabomb to everyone.
(Record scratch. This did not happen. Luckyowl does not have a Plasma Bomb on them, I read my spreadsheet wrong. Apologies)
(btw, if anyone has a preferred pronoun for me to use or I use the wrong one, just let me know)
Post by: Mephansteras on December 02, 2020, 01:52:12 pm
Also, you notice that the maintenance droid that had been fixing the monitors is missing. Or perhaps left for a bit.
After a while one comes in and starts working on fixing the main monitor again.
Post by: heydude6 on December 02, 2020, 01:53:36 pm
Toonyman goes up to the vendor, buys a Stun Bomb, and shows it off to all of you.
Did you just do what I think you tried to do?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 02, 2020, 01:58:17 pm
Okay I killed Webadict. I did sell my plasma bomb though.
Post by: Shakerag on December 02, 2020, 02:04:34 pm
Wow cool Meph.So, out of curiosity, why? To both.
Okay I killed Webadict. I did sell my plasma bomb though.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 02, 2020, 02:05:26 pm
Post by: Caz on December 02, 2020, 02:09:01 pm
So, out of curiosity, why? To both.
Web was holding everyone hostage, he had to go tbh
Post by: ToonyMan on December 02, 2020, 02:10:03 pm
I collaborated with Caz yesterday so we would both survive and get KOR for today. I attacked Juicebox to stir up shit and possibly deny Jim his bounty since I was untrustworthy of him, although everything today has me thinking he's legit. Caz can back me up on this since I've been communicating with him.Wow cool Meph.So, out of curiosity, why? To both.
Okay I killed Webadict. I did sell my plasma bomb though.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 02, 2020, 02:17:23 pm
??? What does it mean.Meph: I want show my Plasmabomb to everyone.Luckyowl opens up their backpack and pulls out a Plasma Bomb. It is not currently armed.
(Record scratch. This did not happen. Luckyowl does not have a Plasma Bomb on them, I read my spreadsheet wrong. Apologies)
Post by: Caz on December 02, 2020, 02:21:25 pm
I collaborated with Caz yesterday so we would both survive and get KOR for today. I attacked Juicebox to stir up shit and possibly deny Jim his bounty since I was untrustworthy of him, although everything today has me thinking he's legit. Caz can back me up on this since I've been communicating with him.Wow cool Meph.So, out of curiosity, why? To both.
Okay I killed Webadict. I did sell my plasma bomb though.
Yeah, about the webadict/4mask stuff since they both had bounties on us. Didn't know about the juicebox thing though, rude :o
Post by: heydude6 on December 02, 2020, 02:22:00 pm
Meph: I want show my Plasmabomb to everyone.
Why did you ask Meph to show a plasmabomb that you didn't own?
Post by: Luckyowl on December 02, 2020, 02:31:59 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 02, 2020, 04:18:43 pm
I attacked Juicebox to stir up shit and possibly deny Jim his bounty since I was untrustworthy of him, although everything today has me thinking he's legit.
What made you think I was being untrustworthy?
You gave me money for the repair ship, dawwwg.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 02, 2020, 05:03:17 pm
There's no reason to have it anymore, chances are I'd get caught in the blast as well anyway at this point.
I responded to this before: I wanted to give myself a sense of relief if Juicebox was alone. I had a free action to work with, after all.I attacked Juicebox to stir up shit and possibly deny Jim his bounty since I was untrustworthy of him, although everything today has me thinking he's legit.What made you think I was being untrustworthy?
You gave me money for the repair ship, dawwwg.
Yep, I did give you money for the repair ship. I probably would have given you 250 KOR today if I didn't see you with Juicebox, which funny enough is also the reason you got paid 1000 KOR.
Post by: Caz on December 02, 2020, 05:44:15 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 02, 2020, 05:59:54 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 02, 2020, 06:18:34 pm
Peace is a good start but we still actually have to find a way out of here or they will just add more incentives to fight or get bored and airlock us or whatever.
I have been working on something today. I don't know if it's viable, but I'll find out by the end of the night. Meph was a bit of a troll with that one.
Let's try not to kill eachother tonight this time. The money isn't going anywhere and I think if we had more time to talk things out, we could have come to an agreement. The thread doesn't get locked during Hunt phase, so we should keep discussing there.
If you're wondering about the Shakerag world peace fund, don't worry about it. No one supported it so it's gonna get shelved for the time being. I'll still transfer the 1000 KOR to someone I trust, cause if anyone's dying tonight, it's probably me since I pissed so many people off, but it will be during the hunt phase when it's no longer possible to buy weapons.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 02, 2020, 07:11:49 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 02, 2020, 07:43:35 pm
Alright whoever is sending me messages if you want to send me messages make them short, decipherable, and I want all of you to focus on sending them all together.
I know you guys are trying, but we're still not there yet.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 02, 2020, 08:03:35 pm
A maintenance droid has finished repairing the main monitor and moves over to start working on one of the secondary monitors.
(https://i.imgur.com/y4jZRmI.gif)
A message comes over the loudspeakers:
"All right you miscreants, rest time is over! Time to get back to the hunt! Let's see some more carnage! The fans are loving it!!"
The shop droid recedes back and the shop closes up back into the wall again. You may no longer buy or sell items.
Hunt Phase has begun! It will go until ~5pm Pacific Friday.
Send in any actions you want to perform during this phase.
(Also, I hit the cap on PMs sent for the hour so there will be a delay before I get back to some of you. Sorry about that)
Post by: ToonyMan on December 02, 2020, 11:35:06 pm
I'll still transfer the 1000 KOR to someone I trust, cause if anyone's dying tonight, it's probably me since I pissed so many people off, but it will be during the hunt phase when it's no longer possible to buy weapons.Don't worry, we're at the high score currently with two people each. Nobody would want to top that.
Well, I've lost all motivation to be sneaky so I'm going to look around the area.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 02, 2020, 11:41:53 pm
So if all of you behave yourselves and don't kill each other we might be able to figure stuff out.
I dunno TOONYMAN and CAZ and HEYDUDE6. Do you think we could make that happen?
Post by: heydude6 on December 02, 2020, 11:52:27 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 01:39:02 am
Bounty Claims:
ToonyMan has a new bounty on Caz.
Caz has a new bounty on Jim Groovester.
Jim Groovester has a new bounty on Heydude6.
Heydude6 has a new bounty on ToonyMan.
I assume Luckyowl and Shakerag still have bounties for each other.
Post by: heydude6 on December 03, 2020, 02:02:12 am
Post by: heydude6 on December 03, 2020, 02:02:56 am
Jim Groovester has a new bounty on Heydude6.
Wait a minute...
Post by: Caz on December 03, 2020, 05:35:31 am
Also I have a plan. Don't kill each other guys. We need Jim alive especially since he has the hacking tool.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 03, 2020, 08:08:18 am
I heard the voices too, they are angry apparently. All I got was "listen" and "speak" (garbled)
Also I have a plan. Don't kill each other guys. We need Jim alive especially since he has the hacking tool.
Could you explain further? I wish to know more about this plan. And on the topic of Jim. Maybe you should tell Jim not get trigger happy tonight.
Heydude6 is better alive, Right Jim?
Post by: Luckyowl on December 03, 2020, 08:12:04 am
Post by: Caz on December 03, 2020, 09:22:04 am
inb4 all we discover is another F U from the mod :D
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2020, 10:12:15 am
That actually does sound interesting. What do we need to make a toolkit?
My guess would be
I built a tech thing and used it to find a secret.
What tech thing did you build?
Post by: Caz on December 03, 2020, 11:16:56 am
What tech thing did you build?
A scanner/camera/recorder that can detect radio waves and other things. It's heavy :(
Post by: Caz on December 03, 2020, 11:21:10 am
A thought occurred to me that I could convert a mind shield from a barrier into an antenna and then the messages might come in clearer. To make that happen I need a tool kit, which I currently don't have.
Meph: Can we give items during the hunt phase?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2020, 11:42:36 am
What tech thing did you build?
A scanner/camera/recorder that can detect radio waves and other things. It's heavy :(
Can it detect psychic waveform mumbojumbo?
My first thought is that I want one, but my second thought is that it could probably be used to detect what equipment our captors are using to monitor us and sending transmissions to and from the station. We might be able to destroy that equipment. Not sure what that would accomplish but it seems doable.
Dead people are shouting MINES at me in all caps.
Post by: Caz on December 03, 2020, 11:50:51 am
What tech thing did you build?
A scanner/camera/recorder that can detect radio waves and other things. It's heavy :(
Can it detect psychic waveform mumbojumbo?
I don't think so. I got another message but it's really jumbled. Ghost players hate me <_<
Meph: If I can give items during hunt phase I give Jim my tookit.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 03, 2020, 12:12:02 pm
A thought occurred to me that I could convert a mind shield from a barrier into an antenna and then the messages might come in clearer. To make that happen I need a tool kit, which I currently don't have.
Meph: Can we give items during the hunt phase?
You may, it just requires agreement from both people that they are going to meet up for the exchange. Which may, of course, effect or be effected by other actions happening during the phase.
The only major difference between the Hunt Phase and Truce Phase, mechanically, is that I figure out everything that happened in the Hunt Phase at the end rather than incrementally like I do with the Truce phase. And the shop, of course.
Post by: Caz on December 03, 2020, 12:27:02 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 01:28:15 pm
Why are you dorks acting like I'm the bloodthirsty one? I haven't killed anybody this game and only tried to do it during Night 1 when we knew less.If you're being fully honest it makes me incredibly upset you got paid yesterday without "actually" killing somebody. I feel like you either commit to your actions to get paid or play it honest, not conveniently be honest and get paid.
Dead people are shouting MINES at me in all caps.I knew the mines were important. We need a suit or something though right?
Post by: heydude6 on December 03, 2020, 01:36:30 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2020, 04:01:20 pm
Why are you dorks acting like I'm the bloodthirsty one? I haven't killed anybody this game and only tried to do it during Night 1 when we knew less.If you're being fully honest it makes me incredibly upset you got paid yesterday without "actually" killing somebody. I feel like you either commit to your actions to get paid or play it honest, not conveniently be honest and get paid.
Why are you mad at me for playing the game Meph lets me play?
Why don't you try playing the game Meph lets you play instead of the game you were told to play, and see where that gets you.
Post by: heydude6 on December 03, 2020, 04:32:43 pm
Why are you dorks acting like I'm the bloodthirsty one? I haven't killed anybody this game and only tried to do it during Night 1 when we knew less.If you're being fully honest it makes me incredibly upset you got paid yesterday without "actually" killing somebody. I feel like you either commit to your actions to get paid or play it honest, not conveniently be honest and get paid.
Trying to escape is an inherently dishonest action. Each attempt of ours breaks our sweet Roseheart's gentle bloodthirsty heart. If we are going to be cheaters anyway, might as well go all the way.
Also, this is Bastard mode. In a meta-perspective, Trickery is inherently what we signed up for. This isn't a meme game, in spite of what IceyTea said.
Post by: heydude6 on December 03, 2020, 04:35:13 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 05:04:49 pm
I've been thinking about it. Some thoughts:Why are you mad at me for playing the game Meph lets me play?Why are you dorks acting like I'm the bloodthirsty one? I haven't killed anybody this game and only tried to do it during Night 1 when we knew less.If you're being fully honest it makes me incredibly upset you got paid yesterday without "actually" killing somebody. I feel like you either commit to your actions to get paid or play it honest, not conveniently be honest and get paid.
1. You most likely bought a replicator on this Truce Phase (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8219483#msg8219483). The hacking tool you showed us is implied proof, but you did not show your used replicator which would be direct proof. I think this is probably true regardless, Caz seems to back this up with his own manufacturing today and I've worked with him.
2. How did you buy the replicator though? The Juicebox bounty right? You've admitted you were paid the bounty. That was a very lucky coincidence to work out that way. If you're being honest then you wouldn't have gotten paid normally and there's no way you could have hoped somebody would target Juicebox. Banking on people's hand outs the next day doesn't sound that great does it? The Night action I got from Meph is convincing, but it's flavor and I can't discern the absolute truth which is what's bothering me. I can't believe for the life of me that Jim Groovester is some lucky ass saint.
3. We don't know exactly what techs some of the dead people got on Day 1, things like Webadict's large tech. You're either still holding onto everything or mass-sold for the KOR, which may have added up to 500. This third point doesn't really matter honestly since lying that you got a bounty would be stupid.
Why don't you try playing the game Meph lets you play instead of the game you were told to play, and see where that gets you.I plan to.
If you're still trying to play the game, then I would recommend stopping that. PM Meph and tell him you changed your mind. I promise you that you won't have any chance of winning that way.I'm not targeting anybody tonight. I do plan on performing some actions though, which I'm not saying but you could probably figure out.
Post by: heydude6 on December 03, 2020, 05:40:25 pm
2. The plan was to fake Juicebox's death. If it weren't for my mind-control and your attack he might have succeeded and gotten the bounty anyway.
3. I agree, I think it's about time someone claim what items juice and web have. Someone looted juicebox and they should fess up to it.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2020, 05:45:14 pm
2. How did you buy the replicator though? The Juicebox bounty right? You've admitted you were paid the bounty. That was a very lucky coincidence to work out that way. If you're being honest then you wouldn't have gotten paid normally and there's no way you could have hoped somebody would target Juicebox. Banking on people's hand outs the next day doesn't sound that great does it? The Night action I got from Meph is convincing, but it's flavor and I can't discern the absolute truth which is what's bothering me. I can't believe for the life of me that Jim Groovester is some lucky ass saint.
I agree that it is very lucky. But I am being honest because that's what happened.
Instead of making a bunch of supposition about the rules why don't you clarify with Meph if somebody who was only pretending to kill their bounty can collect it if the target ends up dead.
This will establish that what I'm saying is possible.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 03, 2020, 07:04:27 pm
Anyways a message came through, and it told me to protect Jim. So I'll be doing exactly that. We need him next phase.
Post by: heydude6 on December 03, 2020, 07:20:29 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 07:23:45 pm
I can't quote him but he told me you need to be "instrumental to their death" to get the money like if you mind control someone or damaging their personal shield.
Pre-Post Edit:
According to a PM conversation I had with Meph a while ago, you have to at least put effort into trying to kill the target (or pretend to). This rule mainly exists to prevent personal shields from causing too much confusion on a double-target.I can confirm some of this, he didn't say the "pretend to" part though...hmmmm.........
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 07:32:34 pm
1. Jim sent me the used replicator for some reason. I'll have Meph show it in a moment.Good.
While we're at it:
@Meph: If your bounty is killed by someone else do you still get the KOR?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 03, 2020, 07:36:41 pm
1. Jim sent me the used replicator for some reason. I'll have Meph show it in a moment.Good.
While we're at it:
@Meph: If your bounty is killed by someone else do you still get the KOR?
As long as your 'employers' think you put in a solid effort or assist to kill them, yes.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 07:44:19 pm
Why would Jim give you his used replicator? That was during the Truce Phase we just had right? We can't show each other stuff during the Hunt Phase it seems like, I forgot.
3. I agree, I think it's about time someone claim what items juice and web have. Someone looted juicebox and they should fess up to it.Uuhh pretty sure Luckyowl said they saw Jim loot everybody so far, I could find the post if you like, it's at the start of the day when Webadict and Juicebox died. Did you forget or what?
As long as your 'employers' think you put in a solid effort or assist to kill them, yes.Uuugggh that's not helpfuuul.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 07:47:02 pm
Jim Groovester: Jim Groovester. I just saw you ransanking Webadict's corspe. Could you explain what item you got from him.
His response implies he got Juicebox too:
I was going to loot anybody who died at the end of the phase.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 07:49:03 pm
Sorry about the multiple posts.
Post by: heydude6 on December 03, 2020, 07:54:41 pm
1. Jim sent me the used replicator for some reason. I'll have Meph show it in a moment.Good.
Unfortunately, Meph got back to me and told me that I couldn't show items until the end of the hunt phase.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 07:55:11 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 08:23:35 pm
I heard the voices too, they are angry apparently. All I got was "listen" and "speak" (garbled)
Also I have a plan. Don't kill each other guys. We need Jim alive especially since he has the hacking tool.
Keep getting more psychic messages, but I fear they are only decipherable to someone with a better reading ability. :D
Anyways a message came through, and it told me to protect Jim. So I'll be doing exactly that. We need him next phase....
Why does this bother me so much? The amount of "hey turn off your psychic shield" baiting and "Jim is literally god" now I'm seeing from everyone but Shakerag is unnerving.
Check the life support room. I found it a while ago and showed Shakerag. It might be something we'll have to deal with at some point. Maybe even tonight.Could you explain this please? I didn't have time to check.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2020, 08:36:52 pm
Sorry it was just Webadict he saw:Jim Groovester: Jim Groovester. I just saw you ransanking Webadict's corspe. Could you explain what item you got from him.
His response implies he got Juicebox too:I was going to loot anybody who died at the end of the phase.
I successfully looted TricMagic, webadict, and IcyTea31. I absolutely made an attempt to loot 4maskwolf and juicebox but somebody else beat me to them.
IcyTea31 and TricMagic had Intel. I will leave webadict's large item, and everything else I looted, a secret.
@Heydude:
Why would Jim give you his used replicator? That was during the Truce Phase we just had right? We can't show each other stuff during the Hunt Phase it seems like, I forgot.
I didn't want to give my hacking tool away to confirm I had it, so I sent the used replicator to heydude6 to confirm that I could have made it. This was rendered moot by showing it off during the truce phase.
As long as your 'employers' think you put in a solid effort or assist to kill them, yes.Uuugggh that's not helpfuuul.
juicebox was in on it so I was able to make a convincing attempt.
Alright dead chat I want you to confirm that I was trying to fake juicebox's death. I want you to do this by sending "111111" if I was or "222222" if I wasn't.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2020, 08:38:54 pm
Alright dead chat I want you to confirm that I was trying to fake juicebox's death. I want you to do this by sending "111111" if I was or "222222" if I wasn't.
I told webadict about it ahead of the attempt and juicebox was in on it so if it is dead chat trying to send us messages they can confirm what I was trying to do.
Post by: heydude6 on December 03, 2020, 08:54:18 pm
I heard the voices too, they are angry apparently. All I got was "listen" and "speak" (garbled)
Also I have a plan. Don't kill each other guys. We need Jim alive especially since he has the hacking tool.Keep getting more psychic messages, but I fear they are only decipherable to someone with a better reading ability. :DAnyways a message came through, and it told me to protect Jim. So I'll be doing exactly that. We need him next phase....
Why does this bother me so much? The amount of "hey turn off your psychic shield" baiting and "Jim is literally god" now I'm seeing from everyone but Shakerag is unnerving.
He heard it too actually. I hope he PMs you about it so you can believe us. You can always turn it back on if it bothers you though.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2020, 08:59:49 pm
@Meph: If somebody was targeted maliciously, but not lethally (such as conversion), can they collect their bounty if another player kills the target?
Post by: Caz on December 04, 2020, 04:21:13 am
I heard the voices too, they are angry apparently. All I got was "listen" and "speak" (garbled)
Also I have a plan. Don't kill each other guys. We need Jim alive especially since he has the hacking tool.Keep getting more psychic messages, but I fear they are only decipherable to someone with a better reading ability. :DAnyways a message came through, and it told me to protect Jim. So I'll be doing exactly that. We need him next phase....
Why does this bother me so much? The amount of "hey turn off your psychic shield" baiting and "Jim is literally god" now I'm seeing from everyone but Shakerag is unnerving.Check the life support room. I found it a while ago and showed Shakerag. It might be something we'll have to deal with at some point. Maybe even tonight.Could you explain this please? I didn't have time to check.
I mean he only needs to be alive if we don't want to waste 500kor on another replicator to make a hacking tool... but if we are trying to actually win this together then there's no point killing each other. You can make items out of the scrap around the station instead of buying stuff too. It's just... finicky.
Post by: Caz on December 04, 2020, 04:22:07 am
Jim is right. When you take a closer read of your bounty it's not saying "you must kill so and so to get 1000KOR" rather it's says "The death of so and so will get you 1000KOR. So you're not entirely restrain to the bounty you were given.
Anyways a message came through, and it told me to protect Jim. So I'll be doing exactly that. We need him next phase.
How come you are getting clear messages?
Post by: Caz on December 04, 2020, 04:23:33 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 04, 2020, 10:34:51 am
Meph: Can somebody who was only pretending to kill their bounty collect it if the target ends up dead?
As long as your employers thought it was a real attempt, yes.
Another question for the MOD:
@Meph: If somebody was targeted maliciously, but not lethally (such as conversion), can they collect their bounty if another player kills the target?
Not sure what you mean by 'conversion'. But basically, it boils down to if they thought you tried to kill them, and they died, you get the bounty. If they don't think you tried to kill them, you don't. That's pretty much it.
Hunt Phase ends ~5pm Pacific Today. So, about 9 hours or so from now. Although I have everyone's actions so I'll probably end it early unless someone objects to that.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2020, 10:47:24 am
Alright, dead chat, on a scale of 000000 to 999999, how mad is webadict in there?
Hunt Phase ends ~5pm Pacific Today. So, about 9 hours or so from now. Although I have everyone's actions so I'll probably end it early unless someone objects to that.
No objections here.
Post by: Caz on December 04, 2020, 11:31:16 am
Did you build the antenna already?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2020, 12:09:09 pm
The message was fragmented but unambiguous.
Post by: Shakerag on December 04, 2020, 12:14:17 pm
I got some with 1's in it too
Ditto, of course.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 04, 2020, 12:59:46 pm
PM me if it can't be public.Check the life support room. I found it a while ago and showed Shakerag. It might be something we'll have to deal with at some point. Maybe even tonight.Could you explain this please? I didn't have time to check.
I successfully looted TricMagic, webadict, and IcyTea31. I absolutely made an attempt to loot 4maskwolf and juicebox but somebody else beat me to them.Anybody want to fess up to 4mask and Juicebox's looting? It wasn't me.
IcyTea31 and TricMagic had Intel. I will leave webadict's large item, and everything else I looted, a secret.
Alright dead chat I want you to confirm that I was trying to fake juicebox's death. I want you to do this by sending "111111" if I was or "222222" if I wasn't.I told webadict about it ahead of the attempt and juicebox was in on it so if it is dead chat trying to send us messages they can confirm what I was trying to do.
I got "111111" as a message which more or less confirms that dead chat is trying to talk to us.Is this a slip? You said it was 100% dead chat before backing up why it would make sense to be dead chat.
Can an alien with psychic abilities exist in this game? Like a psychic hivemind?@Meph: If somebody was targeted maliciously, but not lethally (such as conversion), can they collect their bounty if another player kills the target?Not sure what you mean by 'conversion'. But basically, it boils down to if they thought you tried to kill them, and they died, you get the bounty. If they don't think you tried to kill them, you don't. That's pretty much it.
I want everybody to show their Mind Shield tomorrow like what Luckyowl did before. I will as well.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 04, 2020, 01:16:04 pm
If this works. This will dismantle Jim credibility just a little. Still it's possible we can all send message to eachother with our minds and also being able to contact the dead.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 04, 2020, 01:30:52 pm
Can an alien with psychic abilities exist in this game? Like a psychic hivemind?@Meph: If somebody was targeted maliciously, but not lethally (such as conversion), can they collect their bounty if another player kills the target?Not sure what you mean by 'conversion'. But basically, it boils down to if they thought you tried to kill them, and they died, you get the bounty. If they don't think you tried to kill them, you don't. That's pretty much it.
It's possible.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 04, 2020, 02:09:42 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 04, 2020, 02:18:17 pm
Meph: Is sending a message telepathically counts as a hunt action? Or is it something we can do freely?
Something basic is pretty freely done. If someone tries something intensive that'd be worked out with the rest of the Hunt Action write-ups.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2020, 02:31:50 pm
Is this a slip? You said it was 100% dead chat before backing up why it would make sense to be dead chat.
I'm pretty sure I've been saying I thought it was dead chat but I didn't know for certain. Indeed,
I'm receiving fragments of messages telepathically from somewhere. My guess is people in dead chat are trying to contact me but I can't rule out that the source is from somewhere else.
I got another message. I'm thinking the messages are from dead chat since the message I got name dropped one of the players in here.
It seems pretty clear now though.
Anyways I received two psychic messages and webadict is apparently at 333333 or 444444 levels of angry depending on who you ask from there.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 04, 2020, 02:48:07 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 04, 2020, 02:50:16 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2020, 02:56:52 pm
Furthermore how do you balance your theory with the list of dead people who grabbed Intel who all confirmed that we're all Exterminators? And that nobody has flipped anything except Exterminator so far? And that people in dead chat confirmed to several currently alive players that I was faking juicebox's death with the 111111?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 04, 2020, 04:19:22 pm
Are you willing to test your hypothesis? I tossed it away during N1 but I'm sure if I told you where on the station to look for it you could find it.Where is it?
@Meph: Is the Intel completely true and not misleading in this game?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 04, 2020, 04:21:37 pm
And that people in dead chat confirmed to several currently alive players that I was faking juicebox's death with the 111111?Or you sent those messages.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 04, 2020, 04:43:08 pm
@Meph: Is the Intel completely true and not misleading in this game?
No evidence to the contrary has surface.
Post by: heydude6 on December 04, 2020, 04:59:41 pm
And that people in dead chat confirmed to several currently alive players that I was faking juicebox's death with the 111111?Or you sent those messages.
So, let me see if I understand what you’re saying. You think Jim is a cult leader who recruits people by tricking them into turning off their mindshields. Those who have have turned them off are suckers who are duped into thinking that Jim’s psychic transmissions are those of the dead chat.
I would say your theory is outlandish, but the fact that there are psychic transmissions at all is already pretty weird. Based on how my PM actions have been working out so far, it should be totally possible to get out of here without ever receiving a “ghost message”. Though I guess turning off the mindshield was what first clued us in to the ability to contact the outside world at all.
All I can say is that there hasn’t been too much evidence for the strange messages to be more complicated than they appear. I would stick with Ockham’s razor on this one. The reason why the spirits treat Jim like a God is because he was the one leading us in day 2 and trying to gather money to call a ship that did indeed arrive. If what he said about Juicebox is true (and real spirits would know this), then that would be even more reason for them to trust him.
Post by: heydude6 on December 04, 2020, 05:01:03 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 04, 2020, 05:08:12 pm
Not helpful for us since we've only seen Alien Exterminator flips.@Meph: Is the Intel completely true and not misleading in this game?No evidence to the contrary has surface.
@Heydude:
I want to double check everything, because if everything being said is the truth I don't see why this game is still going...
Attempt number three: please tell me what you mean about the life treatment room.
You don’t have to turn off your mindshield, we don’t need to do that to escape, but try not to kill anyone out of paranoia either, ok?I'm keeping mine on just in case but yeah that's fine. I'm not killing, it would be suicidal at this point anyway.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 04, 2020, 05:37:26 pm
From the beginning of Truce Phase 1:
Luckyowl:Did Tricmagic really send us an advertisement about ship repair and talk about a planet Zoobat? This must be the same ship repair that Jim apparently ended up calling over. This couldn't have been sent by dead chat.So how's everyone doing? And what we're gonna do? Kill eachother or try to find a way out of this station? There's probably some escape pods if we can find it maybe we can get out this shit hole. But I'm down for a bloodbath and I never got an ad Shakerag what are you talking about?You turned off your mind shield for the night phase too, right? I got an advertisement for ship repair on the planet "Zoobat".
Post by: Luckyowl on December 04, 2020, 06:12:52 pm
I prefer to take the most obvious approach about the ads and that in truth they're just ads transmitted from some radio station. Probably all those ads we got came from Planet Zoobat.
Post by: heydude6 on December 04, 2020, 06:18:01 pm
@Heydude:
I want to double check everything, because if everything being said is the truth I don't see why this game is still going...
I'm assuming you're saying that in response to this:
Spoiler: quote (click to show/hide)
The reason why we haven't gotten out right away is because Meph is deliberately making some of our actions take time. The phone call I need to make tonight was only possible in hunt phase because that's the time the person I was trying to call would be available. And I'll likely have to do something else after this as well.
I assume it's done this way to keep the game going and give us the time to doubt eachother.
Attempt number three: please tell me what you mean about the life treatment room.
Hunt phase is not the time to share that info.
Why would dead people talk about the MINES (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8219856#msg8219856)? Are they just giving random suggestions or somehow know more than us?
Seems like it has to be the latter. I get the feeling that the ghosts can freely explore the station by walking through walls and that kind of stuff. Otherwise, they should have no knowledge of what's in the mines either.
Did Tricmagic really send us an advertisement about ship repair and talk about a planet Zoobat? This must be the same ship repair that Jim apparently ended up calling over. This couldn't have been sent by dead chat.
You are correct about that. I find it strange that advertisements and dead chat are contacted through the same means. I never got an advertisement when I tried to contact the spirits, but I know others have. You can use the search function to find other people who got ads. I'm too much of a rush to do it myself though.
Ninjaed
Post by: Caz on December 04, 2020, 06:43:51 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 04, 2020, 06:55:55 pm
I got busy so I didn't end up doing any write-ups yet, so you have 1 out to change your mind if you need to. Once we hit 5 I will no longer accept any changes to the current plans.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 04, 2020, 08:57:17 pm
Post by: Caz on December 05, 2020, 05:25:13 am
In b4 I die.
If you targeted me I will be so disappoint
Post by: Mephansteras on December 05, 2020, 10:33:05 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2020, 01:53:15 pm
BTW, I was busy last night so I'll finish up the writeups sometime today.
*fidgets nervously*
Post by: Mephansteras on December 05, 2020, 07:06:48 pm
The announcement of the Truce Phase goes out over the station speakers and you return to the mess hall.
Everyone seems accounted for.
Once there the voice of the Speaker comes over the system:
“Well, that was just terribly boring, wasn’t it? Ugh. We really need to rethink what we put in that shop for the next time. Anyway, you all need to be more aggressive. Rest up, rearm, and for the sake of KOR see if you can actually try to kill someone next time, ok?”
The monitor is just showing a bit of artwork this morning.
(https://imgur.com/YrA2bAz.png)
Perhaps this is supposed to be inspirational?
Anyway, you have a truce phase. Time to decide what to do with it.
Truce Phase will go until ~5pm Pacific Monday or until everyone declares that they are Ready.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2020, 07:08:15 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 05, 2020, 07:21:20 pm
My anti-tech field blocked two things, I don't know what. That's what I bought on Truce Phase 1. Nobody targeted me otherwise I think.
Field Report:
Rec Room didn't have anything interesting. There were noises in the Mining Operations but I didn't look. There's a Plasma Bomb rigged to blow up in the Power Room if somebody messes with it, this has to be Webadict's large tech. There's the hacking panel in the corridor which people probably wanted to work on during the Hunt Phase, my advice: buy an anti-tech field today if you want to do something at night. I can spot cash if you're Luckyowl or Shakerag. Anyway, I found Jim's mind shield and it was turned off, he did discard a mind shield. One of the bodies in the morgue was cut open (WTF), somebody looking for something inside of someone?
Can everyone claim what they did please?
Well there was a lot I tried to do but I got stun bombed.Sorry, buy an anti-tech field.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2020, 07:46:44 pm
I had interactions with other players that I'll let them fill in.
Well there was a lot I tried to do but I got stun bombed.Sorry, buy an anti-tech field.
Trust me, I will get one.
Anyway, I found Jim's mind shield and it was turned off, he did discard a mind shield.
He did!? No way!
One of the bodies in the morgue was cut open (WTF), somebody looking for something inside of someone?
Whose?
Post by: Luckyowl on December 05, 2020, 07:49:46 pm
and Yeah, I need some cash right now. That ATF was the only one I had, now I need a few of those.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2020, 07:52:15 pm
and Yeah, I need some cash right now. That ATF was the only one I had, now I need a few of those.
Anti tech fields aren't consumables.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 05, 2020, 07:56:25 pm
How did you get stunned by the stun bomb if you have an anti-tech field?oh seriously? I can use it again? that's dope.and Yeah, I need some cash right now. That ATF was the only one I had, now I need a few of those.
Anti tech fields aren't consumables.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2020, 07:59:06 pm
How did you get stunned by the stun bomb if you have an anti-tech field?
Stun bomb is tech which you should have been protected against if you had an anti tech field.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 05, 2020, 08:06:12 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 05, 2020, 08:16:13 pm
Last night I had my phone call. It got interrupted by stun, but I was able to get back to it when I recovered. My contact wants me take some pictures of a hard to reach area, so I need to acquire a camera, and a remote-controlled robot to mount it on (You can probably guess which one). On the bright side, we’d be able to use it explore the mines as well.
Cool so let's kill Luckyowl, he's the one that's trying to oppose us.
Before we get all kill crazy, let’s ask Meph if a stun bomb is blocked by anti-tech. Maybe he made a mistake.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2020, 08:19:48 pm
Last night I had my phone call. It got interrupted by stun, but I was able to get back to it when I recovered. My contact wants me take some pictures of a hard to reach area, so I need to acquire a camera, and a remote-controlled robot to mount it on (You can probably guess which one). On the bright side, we’d be able to use it explore the mines as well.
Who's your mysterious contact?
On the bright side, we’d be able to use it explore the mines as well.
I have a space suit and can already get down there. I was going to explore the mines during the hunt phase but stunbomb.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 05, 2020, 08:35:23 pm
Cool so let's kill Luckyowl, he's the one that's trying to oppose us.
Trying to oppose you? can you explain? What did I did to oppose you? staying in my room was opposing you?
anyways, Jim could you get to mining op, we need you to open it up with your hacking tools.
Post by: heydude6 on December 05, 2020, 08:40:36 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2020, 08:41:36 pm
anyways, Jim could you get to mining op, we need you to open it up with your hacking tools.
Way ahead of you. I got down there during the last truce phase.
Trying to oppose you? can you explain? What did I did to oppose you? staying in my room was opposing you?
How did you get stunned by the stun bomb if you have an anti-tech field?
Stun bomb is tech which you should have been protected against if you had an anti tech field.
Answer this.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 05, 2020, 08:52:35 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 05, 2020, 08:56:00 pm
Meph: Is ATF consumable? Can I activate it again?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 05, 2020, 09:33:27 pm
I headed to mining ops as fast as possible, tried but failed to mind control ToonyMan to go check where I discarded my mind shield, shoot himself, and then lock himself in his room if he was still alive at that point, then got stun bombed in the mining ops airlock.Gee thanks. So that's why I didn't enter the Mining Operations because I heard you in it.
Think of it this way, if everybody has an anti-tech field it will be difficult for someone to bullshit with us and cause problems. Such as mind controlling someone to attack someone else.Trust me, I will get one.Well there was a lot I tried to do but I got stun bombed.Sorry, buy an anti-tech field.
I'm just paranoid okay. I'll eat my hat now since I'm running out of possible ways you could be against us.Anyway, I found Jim's mind shield and it was turned off, he did discard a mind shield.He did!? No way!
Don't know it didn't specific.One of the bodies in the morgue was cut open (WTF), somebody looking for something inside of someone?Whose?
I cut open the body during yesterday’s truce phase while looking for implanted tracking devices (there aren’t any). Meph didn’t specify which body in the flavour.There you go.
Last night I had my phone call. It got interrupted by stun, but I was able to get back to it when I recovered. My contact wants me take some pictures of a hard to reach area, so I need to acquire a camera, and a remote-controlled robot to mount it on (You can probably guess which one). On the bright side, we’d be able to use it explore the mines as well.That would have been an interesting phone conversation:
"Hey so I need to ask you...*gets stunned for hours*...aboout that thing."
Glad you were able to complete it though.
ToonyMan, can you spot me 50 KOR. So I can get a second ATF.Uuuuuh no I won't buy you a second Anti-Tech Field. Why are you lying about what you did last night?
Meph: Is ATF consumable? Can I activate it again?
Post by: Luckyowl on December 05, 2020, 09:36:56 pm
ToonyMan, can you spot me 50 KOR. So I can get a second ATF.Uuuuuh no I won't buy you a second Anti-Tech Field. Why are you lying about what you did last night?
Meph: Is ATF consumable? Can I activate it again?
What? ok. What did I really did last night? If I'm lying, you should you know what I really did.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2020, 09:48:29 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 05, 2020, 09:51:10 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 05, 2020, 09:53:33 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 05, 2020, 09:56:00 pm
See normally I would be more forgiving, but even if you didn't know how the anti-tech field works it would still work correctly.*
Post by: Luckyowl on December 05, 2020, 10:03:19 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2020, 10:11:37 pm
and then I got stunned. But when I woke up my anti-tech field went off. Not sure what it was though.
Yeah, the ATF protected me. Justa little mishap on my part. Also did anyone got an image of Momabo bot?
The concern isn't whether you have an anti tech field or not, but how you balance having it, getting stunned, waking up, and then claiming it was a mishap.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 05, 2020, 10:46:49 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 05, 2020, 11:21:22 pm
ToonyMan, can you spot me 50 KOR. So I can get a second ATF.
Meph: Is ATF consumable? Can I activate it again?
Anti-Tech fields are not consumed on use.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2020, 11:55:21 pm
There's the hacking panel in the corridor which people probably wanted to work on during the Hunt Phase,
After hacking this it revealed the command and control room for the station but my basic hacking tool doesn't cut it for the beefed up security in there.
Post by: heydude6 on December 05, 2020, 11:57:16 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2020, 12:00:49 am
Post by: ToonyMan on December 06, 2020, 12:12:05 am
Post by: Caz on December 06, 2020, 04:26:06 am
I have a space suit and can already get down there.
Where did you get one of those?!
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2020, 11:18:52 am
Post by: ToonyMan on December 06, 2020, 11:20:02 am
Was this answered over PMs?Last night I had my phone call. It got interrupted by stun, but I was able to get back to it when I recovered. My contact wants me take some pictures of a hard to reach area, so I need to acquire a camera, and a remote-controlled robot to mount it on (You can probably guess which one). On the bright side, we’d be able to use it explore the mines as well.Who's your mysterious contact?
Alright it's Truce Phase now, tell me about the Life Treatment Room. Doesn't seem like I went there last night. You can PM me if you have to.
@Luckyowl:
Because my ATF did went off and now I'm aware that it was the stun bomb. I only assume I got stunned because I got a buzzing sensation after my ATF was triggered and when you said you got stunned. So really it's just a misunderstanding.So if I got this straight, you did nothing in your room and your ATF went off twice.
@Caz:
What'd you do last night?
@Shakerag:
What'd you do last night?
Post by: Caz on December 06, 2020, 11:54:47 am
@Caz:
What'd you do last night?
Nothing useful.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2020, 11:57:12 am
There's the hacking panel in the corridor which people probably wanted to work on during the Hunt Phase,
After hacking this it revealed the command and control room for the station but my basic hacking tool doesn't cut it for the beefed up security in there.
So apparently I can't replicate a super hacking tool or authentic credentials to get access to command and control, so I guess we need to find them somewhere on the station. Has anybody turned over the staffing residential area? That would be my suggestion. Maybe they left an ID card or something there.
I'm exploring the mines right now.
Post by: Shakerag on December 06, 2020, 12:25:42 pm
@Shakerag:
What'd you do last night?
Headed over to the mines to try and do some trading with Jim but he got stunned. Also tried to assassin bot you, so that's likely the second ping on your anti-tech field. You were acting really suspicious yesterday, sorry.
Post by: Caz on December 06, 2020, 12:35:50 pm
@Shakerag:
What'd you do last night?
Headed over to the mines to try and do some trading with Jim but he got stunned. Also tried to assassin bot you, so that's likely the second ping on your anti-tech field. You were acting really suspicious yesterday, sorry.
I thought we were past this stage of the game :D
Post by: heydude6 on December 06, 2020, 12:51:37 pm
@Heydude:Was this answered over PMs?Last night I had my phone call. It got interrupted by stun, but I was able to get back to it when I recovered. My contact wants me take some pictures of a hard to reach area, so I need to acquire a camera, and a remote-controlled robot to mount it on (You can probably guess which one). On the bright side, we’d be able to use it explore the mines as well.Who's your mysterious contact?
Alright it's Truce Phase now, tell me about the Life Treatment Room. Doesn't seem like I went there last night. You can PM me if you have to.
Yes, the question was answered over PMs. I’ll tell the rest of you guys once I get my photos.
The life support room is a subsection of the power-room. You went there last night and found a plasmabomb. The plasmabomb was what I wanted people to see, because I believed disarming it was something that would need to be done at some point.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 06, 2020, 02:54:23 pm
Well thanks for the honesty. Glad everyone tried to kill me with tech.@Shakerag:Headed over to the mines to try and do some trading with Jim but he got stunned. Also tried to assassin bot you, so that's likely the second ping on your anti-tech field. You were acting really suspicious yesterday, sorry.
What'd you do last night?
@Heydude:
The life support room is a subsection of the power-room. You went there last night and found a plasmabomb. The plasmabomb was what I wanted people to see, because I believed disarming it was something that would need to be done at some point.Gotcha.
@Caz:
Heeey Caaaaaaz, everything checks out last night except one thing. What did you target Luckyowl with last night?
Post by: Caz on December 06, 2020, 03:56:57 pm
@Caz:
Heeey Caaaaaaz, everything checks out last night except one thing. What did you target Luckyowl with last night?
I didn't target anyone.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 06, 2020, 05:20:10 pm
Did you get stunned?@Caz:I didn't target anyone.
Heeey Caaaaaaz, everything checks out last night except one thing. What did you target Luckyowl with last night?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 06, 2020, 05:36:41 pm
So apparently I can't replicate a super hacking tool or authentic credentials to get access to command and control, so I guess we need to find them somewhere on the station. Has anybody turned over the staffing residential area? That would be my suggestion. Maybe they left an ID card or something there.I'm going to check Staff Res and Storage.
I'm exploring the mines right now.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 06, 2020, 07:11:22 pm
Storage is empty, but there's a small doorway for maintenance droids to travel though, if it's not impossible to search I'll check it out.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 06, 2020, 07:18:39 pm
Storage is empty, but there's a small doorway for maintenance droids to travel though, if it's not impossible to search I'll check it out.I don't know how to open the maintenance droid door in Storage, does anybody know the controls?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2020, 07:42:51 pm
The good news is that it probably has ships inside. The bad news is that it's manned and guarded. These might be the security forces that turned the repair ship away and probably people we need to get rid of somehow if we want to escape.
Or maybe we take over the station and the ships and start our own little pirate band.
One way or the other we probably need to get rid of them somehow.
Storage is empty, but there's a small doorway for maintenance droids to travel though, if it's not impossible to search I'll check it out.I don't know how to open the maintenance droid door in Storage, does anybody know the controls?
If you think it's hackable I could swing by to hack it. It'll have to be during the Hunt phase because exploring the mines took up all of my Truce phase evidently.
Post by: heydude6 on December 06, 2020, 07:57:16 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 06, 2020, 07:58:27 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 06, 2020, 08:07:43 pm
I've been exploring the mines, and Extermibros, I have good news and bad news. Most of the mine has been mined out so there's a lot of hollows in the asteroid. At one end is a mobile hangar station.
The good news is that it probably has ships inside. The bad news is that it's manned and guarded. These might be the security forces that turned the repair ship away and probably people we need to get rid of somehow if we want to escape.
Or maybe we take over the station and the ships and start our own little pirate band.
One way or the other we probably need to get rid of them somehow.Storage is empty, but there's a small doorway for maintenance droids to travel though, if it's not impossible to search I'll check it out.I don't know how to open the maintenance droid door in Storage, does anybody know the controls?
If you think it's hackable I could swing by to hack it. It'll have to be during the Hunt phase because exploring the mines took up all of my Truce phase evidently.
I've been exploring the mines, and Extermibros, I have good news and bad news. Most of the mine has been mined out so there's a lot of hollows in the asteroid. At one end is a mobile hangar station.
The good news is that it probably has ships inside. The bad news is that it's manned and guarded. These might be the security forces that turned the repair ship away and probably people we need to get rid of somehow if we want to escape.
Or maybe we take over the station and the ships and start our own little pirate band.
One way or the other we probably need to get rid of them somehow.
Nice work! Maybe we could use the plasmabomb in the life support to blow it open. Is it breathable? if not could you help us out and get us some space suits?
,
Post by: Luckyowl on December 06, 2020, 08:09:36 pm
@Luckyowl:Because my ATF did went off and now I'm aware that it was the stun bomb. I only assume I got stunned because I got a buzzing sensation after my ATF was triggered and when you said you got stunned. So really it's just a misunderstanding.So if I got this straight, you did nothing in your room and your ATF went off twice.
No, I only got 1 ATF. It went off when you stunned all of us.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 06, 2020, 09:08:28 pm
I've been exploring the mines, and Extermibros, I have good news and bad news. Most of the mine has been mined out so there's a lot of hollows in the asteroid. At one end is a mobile hangar station.I assume this means we need to go through the mines to reach the mobile hangar? If we don't need a suit once there then this means we need at least two suits to get everyone over there, although if the travel from there to here would take a long time...
The good news is that it probably has ships inside. The bad news is that it's manned and guarded. These might be the security forces that turned the repair ship away and probably people we need to get rid of somehow if we want to escape.
Or maybe we take over the station and the ships and start our own little pirate band.Not sure about taking over the station, but escape seems possible if there's only ten guards at certain times. There's six of us and we can arm ourselves pretty well. If we take out the guards and remove their anti-aircraft guns then I think we can make it. I think a big issue will be disabling the cameras so they don't see us coming. Camera stuff is almost certainly in that control room we need ID for.
One way or the other we probably need to get rid of them somehow.
Not sure if it's hackable. I'm going to wait for a droid to go through and follow it, will probably use up most of my Truce Phase. I'll keep you posted.If you think it's hackable I could swing by to hack it. It'll have to be during the Hunt phase because exploring the mines took up all of my Truce phase evidently.Storage is empty, but there's a small doorway for maintenance droids to travel though, if it's not impossible to search I'll check it out.I don't know how to open the maintenance droid door in Storage, does anybody know the controls?
@Luckyowl:
Got it.@Luckyowl:No, I only got 1 ATF. It went off when you stunned all of us.Because my ATF did went off and now I'm aware that it was the stun bomb. I only assume I got stunned because I got a buzzing sensation after my ATF was triggered and when you said you got stunned. So really it's just a misunderstanding.So if I got this straight, you did nothing in your room and your ATF went off twice.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2020, 10:18:22 pm
The reason I asked Meph to send the intel to everybody was because of the rule about quoting the moderator directly, otherwise, I would've posted the information directly in the thread.
Post by: heydude6 on December 06, 2020, 10:20:25 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2020, 10:29:12 pm
The main thread is monitored by the in-fiction GMs. If they find out what we're doing, they'll enact countermeasures like they did with the repair ship.
Are you sure this is actually true? It would be really obnoxious if that were the case.
Post by: heydude6 on December 06, 2020, 10:34:53 pm
In any case, I think I communicated the main idea well enough. It wouldn't reveal too much in the main thread if people just stated their opinions on it.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2020, 10:41:10 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 06, 2020, 10:58:05 pm
Meph, are our communications in the main thread being monitored by our captors?
Well, you are on camera.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2020, 11:04:10 pm
Meph, are our communications in the main thread being monitored by our captors?
Well, you are on camera.
Jim Groovester snaps his fingers and gives a camera finger guns.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2020, 11:09:09 pm
I don't know how many people the patrol fighters can hold but hopefully it's enough for six.
The mining pod can hold two (if they get cozy) in the cockpit and it has a cargo bay which can hold more if they have space suits. The mining pod is probably not a viable option for long distance travel out of the station, however.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 06, 2020, 11:46:50 pm
The main thread is monitored by the in-fiction GMs. If they find out what we're doing, they'll enact countermeasures like they did with the repair ship.If the main thread is being monitored I don't see why they wouldn't just be listening to our comms (PMs) either.
For example:
“However, it has also come to our attention that someone tried to call in a repair ship to help you get off this station without finishing the show! Now, we can’t have that, can we? You’re all guilty and you’ll all have to play along or die. Mostly die, really, but we’re not letting someone get off this station that easily! I promise you that they’re already being intercepted by our security forces as we speak.”We actively discussed calling the repair ship before doing so, the GMs didn't seem aware until after our actual actions went through for the day.
I don't know how many people the patrol fighters can hold but hopefully it's enough for six.
Spoiler: Not game related (click to show/hide)
Post by: Caz on December 07, 2020, 07:03:01 am
The guards won't stand a chance against my speed skates. ;)
Post by: Luckyowl on December 07, 2020, 09:02:50 am
Post by: Shakerag on December 07, 2020, 11:06:45 am
1) What's the effective range of an assassin bot?
2) Could it sneak into a ship to take out the pilot?
3) Could something (say a stun/plasma bomb) be attached to an assassin bot and remotely triggered?
Post by: Caz on December 07, 2020, 11:10:18 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2020, 11:35:03 am
Meph:
1) What's the effective range of an assassin bot? Reasonably large. Probably a mile.
2) Could it sneak into a ship to take out the pilot? If there was a time to get access, yes. It couldn't break into a sealed ship already out in space.
3) Could something (say a stun/plasma bomb) be attached to an assassin bot and remotely triggered? Probably not. Plasma/Stun bombs are about as big as the entire Assassin Bot.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 07, 2020, 12:26:18 pm
Has everyone used their truce action? I don't think there's much left to do today.
I haven't bought anything from the shop yet and I don't know if I will have in-game time to. However I do have a lot of spare KOR I could loan to people.
So there's a couple things we could try:
1) Screw around on the station some more and see where that gets us
2) Assault the hangar station directly
3) Solid Snake into the hangar station and get access to it from the inside
I think all three are viable in some fashion so it's up to us what we want to do.
The mining pod can hold two (if they get cozy) in the cockpit and it has a cargo bay which can hold more if they have space suits. The mining pod is probably not a viable option for long distance travel out of the station, however.
Forgot to mention that the mining pod has powerful but short range mining lasers.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2020, 01:18:36 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 07, 2020, 01:52:30 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 07, 2020, 02:48:02 pm
I guess that means they've been watching us, but probably have no clue what we are planning on doing and If we don't comply with the rule of the game "they will take the matters into their own hands"
which probably means:
A. We're gonna blow this station up with all of us inside. (Probably the plasmabomb at the life support room?)
B.We're gonna come in and have a wild west shoot out.
I'm hoping for a B scenario, but most likely an A scenario will play out. Heydude were you able to disarm the plasma bomb?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 07, 2020, 02:50:28 pm
I'm going to stun orb you tonight if you don't answer. Myself, Shakerag, and Luckyowl have ATF already. Jim and Heydude didn't, just tell us.Did you get stunned?@Caz:I didn't target anyone.
Heeey Caaaaaaz, everything checks out last night except one thing. What did you target Luckyowl with last night?
@My Storage Room Adventure Update:
I found some stuff (one thing might be very useful) in the maintenance droid room, going to PM some people I trust more first.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 07, 2020, 03:21:41 pm
I have two stun bombs and I can hack maintenance droids. If I can rig the stun bombs to the maintenance droids I think I might be able to solo the hangar station, but obviously having more people involved would increase the chance of success.
Post by: Caz on December 07, 2020, 03:26:31 pm
@Caz:I'm going to stun orb you tonight if you don't answer. Myself, Shakerag, and Luckyowl have ATF already. Jim and Heydude didn't, just tell us.Did you get stunned?@Caz:I didn't target anyone.
Heeey Caaaaaaz, everything checks out last night except one thing. What did you target Luckyowl with last night?
How does this make any sense?
Who wants a spacesuit but doesn't have one? Replicators can make two and I have money to loan.
I have two stun bombs and I can hack maintenance droids. If I can rig the stun bombs to the maintenance droids I think I might be able to solo the hangar station, but obviously having more people involved would increase the chance of success.
If you give me one I'll try to take the guards out with my pew pew and rocket skates. We should probably do more recon with the scanner but it won't be completed until night I don't think.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 07, 2020, 03:31:21 pm
rocket skates
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrridiculous
Post by: ToonyMan on December 07, 2020, 03:35:02 pm
Uh, trust maybe? I'll see you tonight.@Caz:How does this make any sense?I'm going to stun orb you tonight if you don't answer. Myself, Shakerag, and Luckyowl have ATF already. Jim and Heydude didn't, just tell us.Did you get stunned?@Caz:I didn't target anyone.
Heeey Caaaaaaz, everything checks out last night except one thing. What did you target Luckyowl with last night?
I don't have one handy I can give you. (I mean I do, but it's mine.) If you haven't bought anything yet I can loan you the money and you can buy the replicator.Caz should have plenty of KOR for one.
Post by: Caz on December 07, 2020, 04:34:08 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 07, 2020, 04:45:08 pm
Does the phrase 'rocket skates' mean nothing to you guys?!So you made those with a replicator? Might be useful I guess??
Post by: Luckyowl on December 07, 2020, 04:57:00 pm
I don't have one handy I can give you. (I mean I do, but it's mine.) If you haven't bought anything yet I can loan you the money and you can buy the replicator.
*raise my hand* Yeah I need one.
Also I got message from the dead. I tried my best to decipher but this is what I got. This prove we are to talking to the dead. I ask the dead in PM how does it feel to be dead and I got this.
"Boring, because ToonyMan is 2 week hidden...er...ring?"
Not sure what the last part mean. I actually don't understand what they meant ToonyMan 2 weeks hidden.
TonnyMan do you understand what they were trying to say?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 07, 2020, 05:02:04 pm
Also I got message from the dead. I tried my best to decipher but this is what I got. This prove we are to talking to the dead. I ask the dead in PM how does it feel to be dead and I got this.Nope.
"Boring, because ToonyMan is 2 week hidden...er...ring?"
Not sure what the last part mean. I actually don't understand what they meant ToonyMan 2 weeks hidden.
TonnyMan do you understand what they were trying to say?
Post by: Luckyowl on December 07, 2020, 05:12:00 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 07, 2020, 05:17:03 pm
Caz I want to buy a replicator to get space suits for people I don't want to waste my time having to buy an orb and stun you because you won't cooperate.
I had barely enough time to buy a Replicator as well.
Does the phrase 'rocket skates' mean nothing to you guys?!
Did you modify the mind shields I gave you?
Hopefully you didn't spend your truce phase making rocket skates instead.
Post by: heydude6 on December 07, 2020, 05:25:04 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2020, 08:12:06 pm
The announcement of the end of the Truce Phase is broadcast across the station and the shop droid closes back up into the wall.
"All right! Enough of these games. If you want to get out of here with a nice fat bank account, and your life, you're going to start collecting on those bounties! Any more nonsense and we're going to have to end things in a less...friendly manner."
The Hunt Phase has begun. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Wednesday.
Send in your actions!
Post by: Caz on December 08, 2020, 01:26:29 pm
Caz I want to buy a replicator to get space suits for people I don't want to waste my time having to buy an orb and stun you because you won't cooperate.
I had barely enough time to buy a Replicator as well.Does the phrase 'rocket skates' mean nothing to you guys?!
Did you modify the mind shields I gave you?
Hopefully you didn't spend your truce phase making rocket skates instead.
One of them to the psychic scanner, I need another tool to modify the other one as it used up materials apparently.
Post by: Caz on December 08, 2020, 01:27:40 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 08, 2020, 01:50:56 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 08, 2020, 01:55:20 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 08, 2020, 02:31:34 pm
"ToonyMan's paranoia is getting in the way of figuring a way out before everbody dies. " Meph is probably gonna make it harder to decipher the next time I ask a question from the dead. But I think this message is a good piece of advice for ToonyMan.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 08, 2020, 03:14:10 pm
I got another message from the dead. After sometime deciphering this is what I got.I mean I want to play mafia, but I don't think there's an antagonistic faction among us. In my opinion it would be interesting if one or two people were working with the company to make it exciting or something, but I'm not seeing it. Nobody tried to kill yesterday (except maybe Caz who is being a complete ass and not responding to me), and I was only targeted because of my own actions. At this point if I tried to play coy it would be 5 vs 1 and I would lose, meanwhile attempting to escape with my fellow innocents and killers has a higher chance of success. I would be totally down for throwing paranoia everywhere if this was standard mafia and hidden wincons didn't exist.
"ToonyMan's paranoia is getting in the way of figuring a way out before everbody dies. " Meph is probably gonna make it harder to decipher the next time I ask a question from the dead. But I think this message is a good piece of advice for ToonyMan.
Who's in on assaulting the hangar with me?Me, me! If anybody needs suits let me know.
Post by: heydude6 on December 08, 2020, 06:00:30 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 08, 2020, 08:02:07 pm
I want two people to go to the plasma bomb rigged up in the life support system and commune with webadict and the dead about how to safely disarm it so that we can use it in the assault.
I want somebody to take my hacking tool to go round up maintenance droids we can rig the plasma and stun bombs to. Also just to be dummies for the guards to shoot at.
If the guards don't have anti tech fields then with the abundance of alien tech we currently have assaulting the station should, in theory, be trivial, but it could devolve into a shoot out and that's where having more Exterminators in space suits would help.
So if you have an anti-tech field but don't have a space suit, speak up so that ToonyMan or I can replicate you one. If you don't have an anti-tech field, then you're not going to be able to be much help during the assault.
We'll stage for the assault just inside the vacuum part of mining ops.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 08, 2020, 08:15:00 pm
My rough plan to assault the hangar is to rig maintenance droids with stun bombs and plasma bombs and ambush the guard patrols when the patrol ships are at their furthest away from the station. A stun bomb should knock everybody out in the hangar station but there'll be a spare for when we break into the hangar station proper. Plasma bombs will take out the anti-craft turrets. If two turrets are knocked out, then we can force entry with the mining pod by 'mining' an entrance into the blind side of the hangar if we don't find some other method of entry.
I want two people to go to the plasma bomb rigged up in the life support system and commune with webadict and the dead about how to safely disarm it so that we can use it in the assault.
I want somebody to take my hacking tool to go round up maintenance droids we can rig the plasma and stun bombs to. Also just to be dummies for the guards to shoot at.
If the guards don't have anti tech fields then with the abundance of alien tech we currently have assaulting the station should, in theory, be trivial, but it could devolve into a shoot out and that's where having more Exterminators in space suits would help.
So if you have an anti-tech field but don't have a space suit, speak up so that ToonyMan or I can replicate you one. If you don't have an anti-tech field, then you're not going to be able to be much help during the assault.
We'll stage for the assault just inside the vacuum part of mining ops.
I can round up the maintenance droids if you want me to. But I'm up for any task you choose to give me.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 08, 2020, 09:04:40 pm
ToonyMan could you help me out with a space suit?Okay, I'll see if I can give you a suit during the hunt phase. Make sure you're expecting me tonight.
Post by: heydude6 on December 08, 2020, 09:06:37 pm
Post by: Shakerag on December 09, 2020, 09:33:34 am
I want two people to go to the plasma bomb rigged up in the life support system and commune with webadict and the dead about how to safely disarm it so that we can use it in the assault.
I'll go.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 09, 2020, 11:10:26 am
Just as a note, you can give me conditionals for that. (Do X, if A then Y if B then Z or the like)
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 09, 2020, 12:06:01 pm
I want two people to go to the plasma bomb rigged up in the life support system and commune with webadict and the dead about how to safely disarm it so that we can use it in the assault.
I'll go.
Alright, I'll join in on the fun of disarming the bomb.
If there's a gap in the actions somewhere I am going to arbitrarily start PMing you and ordering you around.
Post by: heydude6 on December 09, 2020, 12:10:39 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 09, 2020, 12:14:40 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 09, 2020, 01:52:13 pm
If you're not busy disarming bombs or hacking maintenance droids then you can spend time rigging stun and plasma bombs to maintenance droids and help load them onto the mining pod and otherwise prepare yourself for a shootout.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 09, 2020, 01:55:38 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 09, 2020, 02:09:27 pm
Did I get that message right, dead chat?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 09, 2020, 02:32:34 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 09, 2020, 03:15:58 pm
I'm not convinced that stun bombs aren't brokenly OP outside of a mafia game context so I feel pretty good about the odds of success.
Spoiler: The plan (click to show/hide)
Dead people are telling me the bomb can't be disarmed and to not attack the hangar yet and that more help is coming.
I'm just going to go for it anyway. I'm sure it will all work out.
In any case if I blow myself up (and take Shakerag with me) trying to disarm the plasma bomb, it won't blow up the station. You'll have days, DAYS, of air before it kills you.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 09, 2020, 05:45:46 pm
1. Shut out visuals from our captors
2. Give intel on what the situation is to everyone
Post by: Shakerag on December 09, 2020, 05:50:54 pm
Dead people are telling me the bomb can't be disarmed and to not attack the hangar yet and that more help is coming.
Do the dead people have to direct messages at someone specific? If so, I'm meditating in front of the plasma bomb.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 09, 2020, 06:21:59 pm
Dead people are telling me the bomb can't be disarmed and to not attack the hangar yet and that more help is coming.
Do the dead people have to direct messages at someone specific? If so, I'm meditating in front of the plasma bomb.
I think they get to pick and choose who receives their messages.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 09, 2020, 07:42:36 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 09, 2020, 08:14:34 pm
Post by: Shakerag on December 09, 2020, 10:04:25 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 10, 2020, 10:28:47 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2020, 11:53:56 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 10, 2020, 09:12:15 pm
Post by: Caz on December 11, 2020, 06:39:24 am
Post by: Caz on December 11, 2020, 06:40:39 am
Post by: Caz on December 11, 2020, 09:30:22 am
I got another message from the dead. After sometime deciphering this is what I got.I mean I want to play mafia, but I don't think there's an antagonistic faction among us. In my opinion it would be interesting if one or two people were working with the company to make it exciting or something, but I'm not seeing it. Nobody tried to kill yesterday (except maybe Caz who is being a complete ass and not responding to me), and I was only targeted because of my own actions. At this point if I tried to play coy it would be 5 vs 1 and I would lose, meanwhile attempting to escape with my fellow innocents and killers has a higher chance of success. I would be totally down for throwing paranoia everywhere if this was standard mafia and hidden wincons didn't exist.
"ToonyMan's paranoia is getting in the way of figuring a way out before everbody dies. " Meph is probably gonna make it harder to decipher the next time I ask a question from the dead. But I think this message is a good piece of advice for ToonyMan.
Lol, seriously? You're getting annoyed when I wont answer questions of you trying to figure out if your assassin bot works on me so you can claim the bounty? :D
Post by: ToonyMan on December 11, 2020, 02:40:20 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 11, 2020, 06:37:03 pm
You gather up back at the Mess hall after the call about the next Truce Phase goes out over the intercom system.
Toonyman, however, does not join you.
The scene in the mess hall is oddly quiet. The monitors are dark. The shop appears to be closed.
After a bit the spokesman’s voice comes over the comms.
“All right, this has gone on long enough. We know what you’re planning and cutting out the feeds from the station aren’t going to do you any favors. You have one hour to get the feeds restored and back to playing by our rules or you’re going to get an ending to all of this that none of us wants.”
“This is your final warning!”
Well. Interesting. Perhaps Toonyman turned off the feeds?
You head up to the C&C room to see if he’s up there.
(https://imgur.com/oUI4fju.png)
He is. Or, well, his body. He seems to have been taken down by a couple of plasma shots. One to the back, one to the front. Oddly, his personal shield seems to be intact and functioning. He has a used-up holdout blaster on his wrist.
He seems to still be logged into the system, though, and you can clearly see that the camera and microphone system on the base has been shut down.
You have limited time to decide what to do. Best get to discussing it.
The Truce phase has begun. You only have until ~5pm Pacific Saturday to act before the corporation moves on its own.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 11, 2020, 06:59:15 pm
It looks like all the preparations I wanted to do are complete but there wasn't enough time to launch the assault on the hangar.
Alright, ToonyMan, who did it?
111111 - Caz
222222 - Shakerag
333333 - Jim Groovester
444444 - heydude6
555555 - Luckyowl
666666 - somebody else entirely
Post by: Luckyowl on December 11, 2020, 07:00:52 pm
This only leaves, Shakerag, Heydude6, and Caz as suspects.
Meph: are players allow to shoot more than once when they target someone? I also want tol publicly inspect the room to see if there are any plasma hole. More specifically trying to see if I can see three plasma hole. Two from the plasma pistol, and one from the holdout blaster.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 11, 2020, 07:03:14 pm
111111 - Caz
222222 - Shakerag
333333 - Jim Groovester
444444 - heydude6
555555 - Luckyowl
666666 - somebody else entirely
Also,
777777 - can't tell from flavor alone
Shout outs to dead chat for the being the GOAT bomb disposal team.
Post by: heydude6 on December 11, 2020, 07:28:18 pm
That fact that he still has his shield intact makes me think that the person who attacked him had a kill confirmer. That's an expensive large tech, so at the very least that rules me out as a suspect since I'm flat broke. Shakerag and Caz are both good suspects in that case, cause I don't believe Jim would have double-crossed us like that.
You should add a code for the maintenance droid though Jim.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 11, 2020, 07:43:56 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on December 11, 2020, 07:59:45 pm
Meph: are players allow to shoot more than once when they target someone? I also want tol publicly inspect the room to see if there are any plasma hole. More specifically trying to see if I can see three plasma hole. Two from the plasma pistol, and one from the holdout blaster.
The action is 'Night Kill [person]'. What flavor I decide to go with for that is entirely up to me. Although things like a personal shield protecting someone and whatnot will dictate how I go about writing up the flavor.
But, yeah, I can have someone fill their target with holes 'just to be safe' if I feel like it.
Post by: heydude6 on December 11, 2020, 11:40:21 pm
Time to get serious though.
ToonyMan could you help me out with a space suit?Okay, I'll see if I can give you a suit during the hunt phase. Make sure you're expecting me tonight.
Luckyowl how did the space suit exchange go? Surely you must have noticed something was off?
Post by: heydude6 on December 11, 2020, 11:48:16 pm
Spoiler: The plan (click to show/hide)
Jim Groovester. How many parts of the plan were you able to complete? Use PM if you don't want Toony's murderer to know the answer.
Does the phrase 'rocket skates' mean nothing to you guys?!
Caz how were the rocket skates? Surely you took them out for a joyride last night?
Shakerag can I have some of my money back so I can actually be able to do something again? If someone is playing to end cooperation, you might be next.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 12:04:09 am
There's not much real time or in game time to do stuff other than pull the trigger on the hangar assault or not, and given the option I want to go with the assault.
But, I want somebody to own up to killing ToonyMan and why first.
Oh and I expect dead chat to participate in the hangar assault now that angry ghosts affecting the physical world is possible.
Jim Groovester. How many parts of the plan were you able to complete? Use PM if you don't want Toony's murderer to know the answer.
Everything up to suiting up and heading out to the hangar. We are ready to go.
Shakerag can I have some of my money back so I can actually be able to do something again? If someone is playing to end cooperation, you might be next.
The shop is closed this phase.
What were you looking to buy? If I have a spare of it I will give it to you.
Post by: heydude6 on December 12, 2020, 12:08:30 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 12:33:20 am
I thought a mind control beam could be useful. Maybe even two. They patrol in pairs so I thought luring a patrol away would allow us to get ahold of some uniforms so we could better sneak inside.
I have one. It's headed your way.
I don't expect there will be a lot of sneaking around once the assault starts but it will probably be helpful regardless.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 12:56:41 am
Jim Groovester: Can you spot me a suit? And I feel like it was sort of my fault for telling everyone what the dead were saying about ToonyMan's paranoia. Most likely, Caz or Shakerag killed ToonyMan to make sure he wasn't some agent. Of course this is just me praying that this was just "innocent" accident. Or that maintenance droids were to blame for his death. If it wasn't these two or the MD. Then It must be either Jim or Heydude6. But there's no real evidence against them.
Maybe for Heydude6, that transition of 1000KOR to Shakerag was just a ruse to put the blame on Shakerag. How did he got pass the shield? Most likely he looted a corpse that had the ability to surpass a shield. It's crazy theory, but not impossible.
For you...I don't know maybe when I was busy gathering up all the MD you might've killed ToonyMan...but that could also be said against me. So it's pretty dumb.
So
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 12:58:22 am
Jim Groovester: Can you spot me a suit? And I feel like it was sort of my fault for telling everyone what the dead were saying about ToonyMan's paranoia. Most likely, Caz or Shakerag killed ToonyMan to make sure he wasn't some agent. Of course this is just me praying that this was just "innocent" accident. Or that maintenance droids were to blame for his death. If it wasn't these two or the MD. Then It must be either you or Heydude6. But there's no real evidence against them.
Maybe for Heydude6, that transition of 1000KOR to Shakerag was just a ruse to put the blame on Shakerag. How did he got pass the shield? Most likely he looted a corpse that had the ability to surpass a shield. It's crazy theory, but not impossible.
For you...I don't know maybe when I was busy gathering up all the MD you might've killed ToonyMan...but that could also be said against me. So it's pretty dumb.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 01:16:02 am
Jim Groovester: Can you spot me a suit?
Yes.
How did he got pass the shield?
Most likely with Advanced Targeting System, a large tech item, and certainly an attractive one if the goal is to kill Exterminators.
Post by: heydude6 on December 12, 2020, 02:05:12 am
Maybe for Heydude6, that transition of 1000KOR to Shakerag was just a ruse to put the blame on Shakerag. How did he got pass the shield? Most likely he looted a corpse that had the ability to surpass a shield. It's crazy theory, but not impossible.
Who do you think I could have possibly looted to get an advanced targeting system? Jim was constantly sniffing the corpses to pick up whatever swag they dropped, so the only bodies I would have a chance of getting stuff from would be the ones I personally killed myself. That would be Trick and IceyTea, but Tric got intel and Iceytea most certainly had it too. Unless he sold his large tech to give the money to Jim, but either way, the only item he owned by the time I killed him was a personal shield.
Shakerag himself can vouch for my bank transaction, and if he denies it, then we have our main murder suspect. If he was innocent, then why didn't he deny it earlier during the previous Truce phase? I boldly announced that I was going to give my money away to him and if I didn't keep my promise then why didn't he take me to court over it? Surely he would have gotten pissed off by my requests for money if I never lent any to him.
Spoiler: previous Truce phase (click to show/hide)
It's crazy theory, but not impossible.
I'm amazed that you go for the crack theory's and don't interrogate the more obvious suspects of Shakerag and Caz
Post by: Caz on December 12, 2020, 06:59:31 am
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Caz how were the rocket skates? Surely you took them out for a joyride last night?
They're Rocket™-brand Roller Skates. So far I've managed to collide with a wall. They are fun.
Yeah so I shot Toonyman. He had a bounty on me and literally said he was going to stun me as his action, which would be a good time to take me out, so... I'll just sit over here and wait until someone plasma bombs me or whatever :P
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 07:55:15 am
Maybe for Heydude6, that transition of 1000KOR to Shakerag was just a ruse to put the blame on Shakerag. How did he got pass the shield? Most likely he looted a corpse that had the ability to surpass a shield. It's crazy theory, but not impossible.
Who do you think I could have possibly looted to get an advanced targeting system? Jim was constantly sniffing the corpses to pick up whatever swag they dropped, so the only bodies I would have a chance of getting stuff from would be the ones I personally killed myself. That would be Trick and IceyTea, but Tric got intel and Iceytea most certainly had it too. Unless he sold his large tech to give the money to Jim, but either way, the only item he owned by the time I killed him was a personal shield.
Shakerag himself can vouch for my bank transaction, and if he denies it, then we have our main murder suspect. If he was innocent, then why didn't he deny it earlier during the previous Truce phase? I boldly announced that I was going to give my money away to him and if I didn't keep my promise then why didn't he take me to court over it? Surely he would have gotten pissed off by my requests for money if I never lent any to him.Spoiler: previous Truce phase (click to show/hide)It's crazy theory, but not impossible.
I'm amazed that you go for the crack theory's and don't interrogate the more obvious suspects of Shakerag and Caz
Well, I honestly felt no need to interrogate them really. Caz and Shakerag both had a track record of just saying who they killed or tried to kill.
So far, Caz and Shakerag acted impulsively. Shakerag tried to kill ToonyMan because Shakerag felt ToonyMan was against us. Caz killed ToonyMan because Caz thought ToonyMan was going to kill them.(when like all had to do was just say "yeah I have shield on me.." And ToonyMan's paranoia would've fade away :/ )
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 08:01:23 am
QuoteCaz how were the rocket skates? Surely you took them out for a joyride last night?
They're Rocket™-brand Roller Skates. So far I've managed to collide with a wall. They are fun.
Yeah so I shot Toonyman. He had a bounty on me and literally said he was going to stun me as his action, which would be a good time to take me out, so... I'll just sit over here and wait until someone plasma bombs me or whatever :P
I mean, you still have some usefulness. You can act as our frontliner and rocket skate around the hanger going pew pew at the enemy. But honestly...why would you think we would kill you? This late in the game? It would set us back. Just say you're sorry and We'll- well, I, I'll forgive you. Not sure about the others.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 11:36:19 am
Yeah so I shot Toonyman. He had a bounty on me and literally said he was going to stun me as his action, which would be a good time to take me out, so... I'll just sit over here and wait until someone plasma bombs me or whatever :P
What made you think ToonyMan was going to kill anybody when he had more suspicion and better opportunity in the prior phase? He accused me of being a converter and even then didn't try to kill me.
If you want to sit in a corner and do nothing I can lock you in your room and guarantee that.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 12:15:14 pm
Yeah so I shot Toonyman. He had a bounty on me and literally said he was going to stun me as his action, which would be a good time to take me out, so... I'll just sit over here and wait until someone plasma bombs me or whatever :P
What made you think ToonyMan was going to kill anybody when he had more suspicion and better opportunity in the prior phase? He accused me of being a converter and even then didn't try to kill me.
If you want to sit in a corner and do nothing I can lock you in your room and guarantee that.
Well, we could just lock them up. Ooor? We can just use them as bait?
Post by: Shakerag on December 12, 2020, 12:32:29 pm
Shakerag can I have some of my money back so I can actually be able to do something again? If someone is playing to end cooperation, you might be next.
I gave all my money to Jim to hold on to. He'll have to give you a loan.
Post by: Caz on December 12, 2020, 01:50:45 pm
Maybe for Heydude6, that transition of 1000KOR to Shakerag was just a ruse to put the blame on Shakerag. How did he got pass the shield? Most likely he looted a corpse that had the ability to surpass a shield. It's crazy theory, but not impossible.
Who do you think I could have possibly looted to get an advanced targeting system? Jim was constantly sniffing the corpses to pick up whatever swag they dropped, so the only bodies I would have a chance of getting stuff from would be the ones I personally killed myself. That would be Trick and IceyTea, but Tric got intel and Iceytea most certainly had it too. Unless he sold his large tech to give the money to Jim, but either way, the only item he owned by the time I killed him was a personal shield.
Shakerag himself can vouch for my bank transaction, and if he denies it, then we have our main murder suspect. If he was innocent, then why didn't he deny it earlier during the previous Truce phase? I boldly announced that I was going to give my money away to him and if I didn't keep my promise then why didn't he take me to court over it? Surely he would have gotten pissed off by my requests for money if I never lent any to him.Spoiler: previous Truce phase (click to show/hide)It's crazy theory, but not impossible.
I'm amazed that you go for the crack theory's and don't interrogate the more obvious suspects of Shakerag and Caz
Well, I honestly felt no need to interrogate them really. Caz and Shakerag both had a track record of just saying who they killed or tried to kill.
So far, Caz and Shakerag acted impulsively. Shakerag tried to kill ToonyMan because Shakerag felt ToonyMan was against us. Caz killed ToonyMan because Caz thought ToonyMan was going to kill them.(when like all had to do was just say "yeah I have shield on me.." And ToonyMan's paranoia would've fade away :/ )
Rocket skate suicide mission!
Tbh it didn't help that I apparently missed 2 days more of discussion that happened at the end of the hunt phase for some reason.
Also it wasn't just the asking about the shield. He accused me of doing some kind of action also which wasn't true. Just seemed like he was making excuses to get rid of another bounty which happened already. :D
Why is the shop closed this turn, btw?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 02:02:46 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 02:04:22 pm
Maybe for Heydude6, that transition of 1000KOR to Shakerag was just a ruse to put the blame on Shakerag. How did he got pass the shield? Most likely he looted a corpse that had the ability to surpass a shield. It's crazy theory, but not impossible.
Who do you think I could have possibly looted to get an advanced targeting system? Jim was constantly sniffing the corpses to pick up whatever swag they dropped, so the only bodies I would have a chance of getting stuff from would be the ones I personally killed myself. That would be Trick and IceyTea, but Tric got intel and Iceytea most certainly had it too. Unless he sold his large tech to give the money to Jim, but either way, the only item he owned by the time I killed him was a personal shield.
Shakerag himself can vouch for my bank transaction, and if he denies it, then we have our main murder suspect. If he was innocent, then why didn't he deny it earlier during the previous Truce phase? I boldly announced that I was going to give my money away to him and if I didn't keep my promise then why didn't he take me to court over it? Surely he would have gotten pissed off by my requests for money if I never lent any to him.Spoiler: previous Truce phase (click to show/hide)It's crazy theory, but not impossible.
I'm amazed that you go for the crack theory's and don't interrogate the more obvious suspects of Shakerag and Caz
Well, I honestly felt no need to interrogate them really. Caz and Shakerag both had a track record of just saying who they killed or tried to kill.
So far, Caz and Shakerag acted impulsively. Shakerag tried to kill ToonyMan because Shakerag felt ToonyMan was against us. Caz killed ToonyMan because Caz thought ToonyMan was going to kill them.(when like all had to do was just say "yeah I have shield on me.." And ToonyMan's paranoia would've fade away :/ )
Tbh it didn't help that I apparently missed 2 days more of discussion that happened at the end of the hunt phase for some reason.
Also it wasn't just the asking about the shield. He accused me of doing some kind of action also which wasn't true. Just seemed like he was making excuses to get rid of another bounty which happened already. :D
Why is the shop closed this turn, btw?
Hm. I'm pretty sure it was just the shield. But yeah the shop, most likely a punishment for turning off the feeds. But why are you asking this? Were you planning on buying something?
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Rocket skate suicide mission!
Operation Roller Derby Don't worry if you're good at juking and dodging it won't be a suicide mission. :D
Post by: Caz on December 12, 2020, 02:14:14 pm
Hm. I'm pretty sure it was just the shield.
So what is this crap?
@Caz:
Heeey Caaaaaaz, everything checks out last night except one thing. What did you target Luckyowl with last night?
But yeah the shop, most likely a punishment for turning off the feeds. But why are you asking this? Were you planning on buying something?
No money. But it's nice to know people can't buy more assassin bots for me ;_;
QuoteRocket skate suicide mission!
Operation Roller Derby Don't worry if you're good at juking and dodging it won't be a suicide mission. :D
Tbh that's what I wanted to do from the start but there were no spacesuits available.
Post by: Caz on December 12, 2020, 02:33:36 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 02:51:08 pm
Hm. I'm pretty sure it was just the shield.
So what is this crap?@Caz:
Heeey Caaaaaaz, everything checks out last night except one thing. What did you target Luckyowl with last night?But yeah the shop, most likely a punishment for turning off the feeds. But why are you asking this? Were you planning on buying something?
No money. But it's nice to know people can't buy more assassin bots for me ;_;QuoteRocket skate suicide mission!
Operation Roller Derby Don't worry if you're good at juking and dodging it won't be a suicide mission. :D
Tbh that's what I wanted to do from the start but there were no spacesuits available.
Ooh right, that. I sort of forgot it tbh. To me it was just ToonyMan trying to extort information out of you.
And yeah, I was lying, but I only lie to see what would happen. I wanted to see if the dead chat is legit or not. Caz, Shakerag, do you guys have a suit?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 12, 2020, 04:22:44 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 04:24:53 pm
Post by: Caz on December 12, 2020, 05:06:21 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 12, 2020, 05:30:45 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 12, 2020, 05:31:37 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 06:42:39 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 06:47:11 pm
Now,
LuckyOwl, would you like to explain why you're begging people for spacesuits when ToonyMan gave you one during the Hunt phase?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 12, 2020, 06:49:54 pm
Meph: are ghosts allow to see everyone's night action?
You are not sure what ghosts can or cannot do. You've don't have much expertise in that area.
Post by: Shakerag on December 12, 2020, 06:57:38 pm
Post by: Caz on December 12, 2020, 07:16:27 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 07:18:48 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 07:30:41 pm
Meph: are ghosts allow to see everyone's night action?
You are not sure what ghosts can or cannot do. You've don't have much expertise in that area.
If that so...then there is no point keeping it a secret. It's nothing major tbh...
I just wanted to see if the dead chat was real.
Jim Groovester: why did you gave me the space suit if you saw ToonyMan giving me one of his at the mining op?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 07:35:07 pm
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 07:38:03 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 07:40:41 pm
Why even bother lying about that? That's a completely inconsequential thing to lie about.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 07:46:39 pm
There are cognacs coming from the C&C room.
Cognacs? Can you explain please? Do we need to get our pistol ready for western shootout?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 12, 2020, 08:00:36 pm
The deadline has passed.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 08:04:25 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 08:04:25 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 12, 2020, 08:06:00 pm
So is this a truceish phase or a huntish phase or something else entirely?
Timeline wise you're still in Truce phase (only about an hour has passed in-game).
Phases overall are...perhaps a moot point from a 'Game the corporation has imposed' view of things.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 08:07:52 pm
Well shit. draw my plasma pistol from my waist. uhm Jim you said something about the dead being able to interact with the physical world? Right?
Uhhhhh webadict ToonyMan 4maskwolf save me
Post by: Luckyowl on December 12, 2020, 08:17:44 pm
Well shit. draw my plasma pistol from my waist. uhm Jim you said something about the dead being able to interact with the physical world? Right?
Uhhhhh webadict ToonyMan 4maskwolf save me
What? You mean us? That's selfish of you! Dead chat save us!
Post by: Mephansteras on December 12, 2020, 08:20:00 pm
Jim Groovester and heydude6 exchange glances and nod, then pull out their pistols and fire at Luckyowl.
They dodge out of the way and roll, a Hold-out blaster popping out of a concealed pouch on their wrist. A shot from their plasma pistol flies by heydude6's head as he ducks behind a table.
The holdout blaster shot flies right at Jim Groovester, but curves away at the last minute as a rapid beeping sound is heard.
Jim moves to flank, sliding over a table firing shots at Luckyowl and rolls behind it as heydude6 drops to a crouch and fires under the tables.
The shot catches Luckyowl in the stomach. As they cry out in pain and double over Jim fires another burst from his pistol and one of these hits Luckyowl in the side of the head.
The body hits the floor with an audible thud.
It seems that only 4 now remain.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 08:23:15 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 08:25:12 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: heydude6 on December 12, 2020, 08:30:33 pm
Since we didn’t turn the comms back on in time, I don’t think our tv show is going to get back on air. Any attempts to end up as the last person standing will probably lead to our execution by the GMs now.
The only way we’re making it out of this now, is if we take over the hangar. So no more acting paranoid, no more lying, and no more wanton murder. There is nothing to be gained from that anymore.
I’m heading to mining area, and I want the rest of the survivors to go there too. I want a count of how many space suits do we have here so far?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 12, 2020, 08:49:29 pm
Jim Groovester and heydude6 head over to Luckyowl's body and start looting it.
On the body are:
Mind Shield
Intel report
Holdout blaster (spent)
Anti-Tech Field
Space Suit (somewhat shot up)
Post by: heydude6 on December 12, 2020, 09:03:41 pm
I'm taking the Anti-tech though. Somehow I managed to survive this entire game without having one.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 12, 2020, 09:15:54 pm
The spokesman's voice cuts in over the intercom: "Nothing, huh? Very well. Just remember, you brought this on yourselves."
The deadline has passed.
So, is there any indication of how much time is remaining before bad things happen?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 12, 2020, 09:50:54 pm
The spokesman's voice cuts in over the intercom: "Nothing, huh? Very well. Just remember, you brought this on yourselves."
The deadline has passed.
So, is there any indication of how much time is remaining before bad things happen?
No. Not in game.
But I will note that in real time, I recognize that we have players in disparate time zones. So you don't need to panic about, like, doing stuff immediately. But full days real time passing will matter for in-game time.
Post by: Caz on December 13, 2020, 04:38:26 am
I know LuckyOwl is lying about weird stuff but was he actually a non-executioner person?
What :D
Also apparently I can't type into my phone, it was supposed to say signals. Autocorrect, not even once. So, basically I detected signals coming from there.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 13, 2020, 10:39:17 am
I was planning on shooting him before he did that though. Him lying about a fucking space suit of all things and his convenient flavor claim mishap from however many phases ago was too much for me.
Post by: Shakerag on December 13, 2020, 10:56:44 am
Post by: Caz on December 13, 2020, 11:26:14 am
Did you miss the part where he pulled his gun out and started taunting me like I wasn'talso armedeven more armed to the teeth than he was?
I was planning on shooting him before he did that though. Him lying about a fucking space suit of all things and his convenient flavor claim mishap from however many phases ago was too much for me.
I thought he was reacting to the "you brought this on yourselves" message from the corporation.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 13, 2020, 11:34:02 am
Caz, Jim Groovester, and heydude6 have all left the mess hall. You are at the locations indicated by the actions you sent me.
So right now all this communication is happening via your communicator units.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 13, 2020, 08:22:20 pm
You have ~24 hours (until 5pm Pacific Monday) to respond to the situation that has been Pm'd to you.
These can be detailed plans or basic action sets.
You may post your actions here or PM them to me (depending on whether or not you want to be telling the other players what you're doing over the Comms).
As you give me action sets I will update you with your situation.
Post by: heydude6 on December 13, 2020, 09:10:37 pm
Let's hope for the best though.
Post by: Shakerag on December 14, 2020, 09:48:14 am
Post by: Shakerag on December 14, 2020, 12:22:03 pm
Well, I gotta say things are looking pretty scary right now. I wasn't expecting it to come to this.
Let's hope for the best though.
About that.
I just went to the shuttle bay. The doors were blown open, two guys in military space suits are poking around/clearing debris, and another shuttle is approaching.
Post by: Caz on December 14, 2020, 12:35:42 pm
Well, I gotta say things are looking pretty scary right now. I wasn't expecting it to come to this.
Let's hope for the best though.
About that.
I just went to the shuttle bay. The doors were blown open, two guys in military space suits are poking around/clearing debris, and another shuttle is approaching.
Uhh... so we should try to kill them before the other shuttle arrives, right?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 14, 2020, 01:24:36 pm
We've got the mining pod and the maintenance droids rigged up with stun bombs and plasma bombs with us.
Might be a good idea to claim what items we have since we'll probably need to strategize around that.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 14, 2020, 01:50:17 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 14, 2020, 02:03:44 pm
It's not possible that these were the rescuers did chat was talking about, is it?
Post by: Shakerag on December 14, 2020, 02:18:58 pm
Might be a good idea to claim what items we have since we'll probably need to strategize around that.ATF
Mind shield (off)
hold-out blaster
assassin bot
replicator with one charge
used replicator
Post by: heydude6 on December 14, 2020, 03:17:56 pm
Space suit
Anti-tech field
Mind shield
Post by: Caz on December 14, 2020, 04:06:13 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 14, 2020, 04:24:19 pm
Me and heydude6 are going to try to waste the guys in the mine with the mining pod and one of the plasma bombs if it comes to that.
For you two still on the station, you can either run away and join us in the mines, or you can contest them in the station. I think it might be worth contesting them in the station. We do have control of the command and control room which should be very handy to have in terms of dividing their forces, frustrating their advance, etc. The problem is that I'm the one with access and I'm not nearby.
It might be worth it to replicate a hacking tool with your last replicator charge, and to start locking doors leading away from the shuttle bay to slow them down.
Post by: Shakerag on December 14, 2020, 04:48:17 pm
It might be worth it to replicate a hacking tool with your last replicator charge, and to start locking doors leading away from the shuttle bay to slow them down.
Anyone else agree or should we hang on for now?
Post by: heydude6 on December 14, 2020, 06:24:28 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 14, 2020, 09:47:06 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 15, 2020, 02:24:28 pm
Outside the station in the mines, Jim Groovester and heydude6 have moved to assault the enemy hanger. Before they have gone far, however, they spot 5 lights moving towards the station. By size and how they move, they seem to be individual soldiers.
Jim Groovester jumps out of the mining pod the two were flying in and sets off a Stun Bumb, which seems to have disabled two of the figures who now drift lazily to the floor of the asteroid in the weak gravity.
As the other three figures scatter to cover, Jim then hunkers down behind a large boulder and fires shots at the enemy to keep their heads down and cover heydude's moves.
Meanwhile, heydude6 flies the mining pod up and over through a hole in the asteroid around to try and flank the enemy soldiers. He comes around right on top of one of the very surprised enemies, who is sliced apart by the powerful short range lasers of the mining pod.
The plasma bomb armed maintenance droid trundles forward along the main passageway of the mines, slowly making its way to the remaining soldiers' positions.
Those two soldiers, meanwhile, keep up a barrage of fire on Jim. The rock he is next to splinters as shot after shot impacts against it. Clouds of rock fragments and dust begin to cloud the area near him.
He gains a moment of respite, however, as Shakerag sprints into the mines from the station. The exterminator bounces from wall to wall, making use of the low gravity keep moving and lays down his own fire at one of the soldier's shooting at Jim.
Caz, meanwhile, reaches the mining ops center and quickly puts on the remaining space suit.
Jim manages to land a hit on the soldier still focusing on him, but the shot is absorbed in a flicker of light by a Personal Shield.
The other soldier has ducked away from Shakerag's assault and begun firing upon heydude6 in the mining pod. It's hard shell absorbs the blasts for now, but a few get dangerously close to the delicate control jets on the side of the pod. Heydude6 tries to maneuver around to get close, but it finding it difficult to reach his assailant as the pod scrapes against the side of the narrow tunnel he's come down in.
A few more shots slam into the mining pod, one of which bursts through the shell and breaks an internal pipe. Vapor begins to fill the tunnel near the pod as coolant is vented out into the vacuum. With head gauges rapidly rising in the pod, heydude6 is forced to evacuate.
He comes out of the hatch to find himself facing the business end of a plasma rifle. Before the soldier can fire, however, a blast of plasma arcs out from a side passageway and passes right through his shield to blast a hole in the side of his helmet.
Caz gives heydude6 a wave and moves off to try and flank the last remaining soldier.
Pinned down by fire from both Jim and Shakerag, that soldier's luck is quickly running out.
Moments later there is a rumble throughout the mine and a flash of blinding light as the maintenance droid reaches position and performs its last duty.
The last soldier is flung off of the asteroid by the explosion, and their limp form can be seeing slowing spinning away into the void.
(https://imgur.com/a5o7gSx.png)
All surviving players are now in the mines. You do not see any moving enemies at this point. Two seem down and dead, two are still stunned.
You have until ~5pm Pacific Wednesday to get in your next set of actions.
(In case anyone is curious, this battle was played out using d20's to see how effective everyone was. The enemy soldiers got a 1...)
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 15, 2020, 02:45:19 pm
The soldiers have personal shields on them so if you don't have one you should probably grab one. They also have body armor and plasma rifles but I don't know if that mechanically matters.
Proceed forward to the hangar? Turn around to take back the station?
Post by: Caz on December 15, 2020, 03:55:24 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 15, 2020, 05:26:44 pm
So is the mining pod out of commission now? Are we gonna have to walk. Seems like we unnecessarily wasted one of our plasma bombs though.
Anyway, last time I was talking to Jim on the PMs, I said we should capture one of the soldiers and interrogate them. Try to figure out how many there as well as some info about the interior about the base.
I wouldn't mind taking some body armour though.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 15, 2020, 05:31:37 pm
Post by: Caz on December 15, 2020, 05:42:40 pm
Whew, that was way too close.
So is the mining pod out of commission now? Are we gonna have to walk. Seems like we unnecessarily wasted one of our plasma bombs though.
Anyway, last time I was talking to Jim on the PMs, I said we should capture one of the soldiers and interrogate them. Try to figure out how many there as well as some info about the interior about the base.
I wouldn't mind taking some body armour though.
Cool, remove their mind shields and use the psychic emitter tower to torture them into sending home for a ride.
Post by: heydude6 on December 15, 2020, 06:15:12 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 16, 2020, 12:40:06 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 16, 2020, 02:06:09 pm
Main things I want to find out is how many men they have. And what they were trying to do in the mines.
Does anyone want to fetch the maintenance droid we sent away by any chance? I think we might still need it.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 16, 2020, 03:34:24 pm
1. We should head to the hangar.
2. We can probably take the stunned guys with us because of microgravity.
3. We should interrogate the stunned guys or dupe their comms to find out what we'd be up against going to the hangar.
4. Yes I can bring back the maintenance droids.
Meph, I want to accomplish things in line with the above and assuming I don't get the chance to post before the actions are closed I go along with whatever heydude6 comes up with.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 17, 2020, 04:55:38 pm
Post by: RoseHeart on December 19, 2020, 02:50:11 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 19, 2020, 03:37:06 pm
The four exterminators gather up rifles, armor and personal shields. There is enough usable stuff that they're all at least a little better off, and all now have personal shields.
Jim calls back the Maintenance droids back and works on hacking one of the comms of the stunned soldiers.
Caz sees about interrogating them, but the stun effect is going to last hours and the groups lacks any way to reverse it. That'll be far too long, so a decision is made to just tow them along back to the hanger.
As the group heads towards the hanger Jim starts picking up info on the hacked comms:
"Control, this Alpha team. No signs of resistance yet, but we've found a few bodies. Looks like things got messy in here."
"Acknowledged. Better hurry up, Bravo hit contact in the mines and then went silent."
"Right, we'll be hitting the mining ops next."
The group picks up the pace, and after a bit comes into sight of the Hanger.
"Alpha! Alpha! Get back here! Something's in the hanger. OH BY THE AAAAAaaahhhhh" A horrid death scream comes over the comms.
"Control? Control?! What's going on back there?! Hold tight if you can hear us, we're heading back!"
Looks are exchanged, but perhaps whatever caused the screams was a good thing. The dead getting revenge, maybe?
In any case, they can't just sit here and wait for that that squad to show up.
Jim sends one of the maintenance bots up the side of the hanger and detonates a Stun Bomb on top. Moments later heydude6 and Shakerag launch themselves up to the top level, rifles ready. A few plasma blasts and the lone standing guard on top of the hanger crumples to the ground. Another crumpled form shows that the Stun Bomb was not wasted, at least.
The entrance hatch, however, is completely shut. With outside controls, hacking it won't work. After a bit of discussion, it's decided that the last plasma bomb will have to be used. Everyone gets out of the blast range and the hard-wired bomb with a blast that rocks the station. Where the door was is not a jagged hole in the ceiling of the hanger.
One by one the exterminators leap down, rifles ready. Caz is last, her eyes scanning the way they came to cover the group in case the station squad arrives.
Shakerag is in first, catching a dazed guard with a few plasma blasts at short range. heydude6 and Jim Groovester soon follow. The exterminators take cover behind a wrecked shuttle craft as they exchange fire with the two remaining guards.
Shot after shot lights up the inside of the hanger. Caz drops in and her shield takes a hit as she skates quickly up to take cover near the Command console. Jim takes advantage of the distraction though to finish off one of the guards.
heydude6's shout over the comms takes the edge off their enjoyment, however.
"Head's up, incoming shuttle!"
(https://imgur.com/feX01er.png)
Shakerag mutters a moment and holds up a hand. "All right, assassin bot out. Keep fire on that guy, keep him busy!"
The bot scuttles out and under the wrecked shuttle as Jim and Heydude6 move to flank. A flurry of movement from the bot and the guard's body sags to the ground, his suit riddled with thousands of small holes.
Looking around the hanger the four surviving exterminators breath a sigh of relief. All of the ships are there, and seem operational!
Caz's voice cuts over the comms: "Comms guy is a grisly mess here, but he was still logged in. I got the cannons online!"
Beams of energy fire out as the approaching shuttle, which banks away from the hanger to avoid the shots.
Jim waves his arm towards the ships. "All right, everyone get your ships fired up and let's get out of here!"
heydude6's ship, The Final Greeting is first in line. He fires up the engines while blasting away at the wreckage in front. Once the way is clear he launches out of the hanger at maximum speed.
Shakerag is next, and the Shaken not Stirred lifts off in a halo of blue light. A volley of Doomsday missiles from it streak into the enemy shuttle and the burning wreck spirals out of sight.
Caz hops down from the command area right on top of the Highland Rocket. She quickly gets in and fires up the engines. The ship lives up to its name as it quickly becomes a streak of light hurtling out into the void.
Jim's Grooveship 1 is last to get out.
(https://i.imgur.com/iJB5IaW.png)
His sensors detect two fighter craft incoming.
"We're not out of the woods yet, people! Incoming craft from sector 2!"
Shakerag sends out a hyper-jump path from his nav computer. "Follow this. We're close enough we should be able to hit the lane before they can catch up."
"Roger that. Good flying, everyone!" The Highland Rocket turns to follow the signal and moments later vanishes in a flash of purple light.
Flash after flash until the system is quiet at last.
And that's a wrap!
Sorry about the delays. I was thinking about making the escape a little more interactive, but it's not a good time of year for that so I decided to just go ahead and finish up the game. After all BYOR 15 needs to start soon!
Final Tallies:
Caz - Survival Victory
Heydude6 - Survival Victory
Jim Groovester - Survival Victory
Shakerag - Survival Victory
webaditct - Allied Ghost Victory (Jim Groovester)
IcyTea31 - Allied Ghost Victory (Jim Groovester)
4maskwolf - Loss, Karmic mitigation (The Merging)
TricMagic - Loss, Karmic mitigation (The Merging)
juicebox - Loss, Karmic mitigation (The Merging)
ToonyMan - Loss
LuckyOwl - Loss
(https://imgur.com/0AxdFJ1.png)
Post by: Mephansteras on December 19, 2020, 03:41:07 pm
The Merging (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/UsncKgX4p7ysp)
Spoiler: Role PMs (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Night 1 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on December 19, 2020, 03:43:04 pm
Spoiler: Hunt Phase 1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Hunt Phase 2 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on December 19, 2020, 03:46:16 pm
Spoiler: Hunt Phase 3 (click to show/hide)
There were also...over 800 PMs that got exchanged through this game. I'd post them all, but that would be a bit excessive. It'd be nice if people would share their stories, either via posting relevant PMs or just a synopsis. Lots of this game happened via PMs.
In hindsight, I should have set up a quicktopic for each player once we moved over to the Freeform RPG part of the game. That would have made things much easier, and way easier to share at the end of the game.
Overall, this was fun but exhausting for me to run. It was also an interesting experiment working with roseheart on the art. It wasn't as smooth as we'd hoped, but I think it added a nice touch to everything!
I hope you all had fun playing as well!
Post by: webadict on December 19, 2020, 03:54:33 pm
Post by: RoseHeart on December 19, 2020, 03:55:24 pm
For the final panel I will be accepting ALL SUGGESTIONS, this could get really weird! Spend your KOR(see totals, above) to influence how much impact your suggestion will have. Players may also merge their funds under the same suggestion. Otherwise, 1 suggestion per person.
If you wish to send it by PM, please add both myself and Mephansteras as recipients.
Epilogue Phase ends Wednesday at 5pm PST!
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 19, 2020, 04:00:44 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 19, 2020, 04:03:07 pm
So, uh, how did the Merging effect the game outcome?
You guys made it considerably easier for them to get out alive. By taking out the command center guy you stopped the fighters from being called in early, which would have caused a dogfight at the end. That could have been...problematic for the survivors. Quite likely one or more of them would have been blown up.
I'm curious: had we committed mutual suicide N1, would we all have won?
Yes, you would have. I'd probably have called it some sort of snarky 'Moral Victory' or something, since you'd all be dead and the game masters wouldn't have gotten their show. But it'd have been a victory.
I should also say that playing the game straight would also have worked. If anyone had been the last Exterminator standing they'd have gotten a full victory (with KOR reward and whatnot).
My guiding mantra for this once we moved past day 1 was 'Creativity should be rewarded'. It became a free form RPG, and anything within reason was allowed.
Like calling in the repair ship. I wasn't expecting that, but it was smart! And if it was kept secret (only via PMs) it might have worked for getting a few people off the station early.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2020, 04:15:21 pm
I'm sorry to Jim for doubting him at first.
I'm not sorry for Webadict's demise because it looks like he won anyway so I'm sure he's cool with it now.
Lastly, fuck you Caz.
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 19, 2020, 04:19:38 pm
Post by: TricMagic on December 19, 2020, 04:21:12 pm
I have just been informed Meph has handed over the controls for the wrap-up to me. Let's have some fun with this, shall we?
For the final panel I will be accepting ALL SUGGESTIONS, this could get really weird! Spend your KOR(see totals, above) to influence how much impact your suggestion will have. Players may also merge their funds under the same suggestion.
If you wish to send it by PM, please add both myself and Mephansteras as recipients.
Epilogue Phase ends Wednesday at 5pm PST!
200 Cor for an investigation team from the sponsors, maybe see the remaining ships taking off on their own.
My wincon was Web's wincon. Didn't much care? Such is death.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 19, 2020, 04:32:34 pm
Wait, 4maskwolf, TricMagic and juicebox didn't change their wincons? That was kinda the whole reason to do the Merging...
Yeah, none of them PM'd me to say they wanted to change their win-con or what to change it to. Going along with the merging did mean they didn't lose as bad, kinda, but to win they needed to actually talk with me about it.
Unless I missed a PM, which I don't think I did but is possible.
If that's the case, they can just forward the PM again and I'll update things.
Post by: TricMagic on December 19, 2020, 04:34:42 pm
Post by: Caz on December 19, 2020, 04:40:54 pm
Post by: webadict on December 19, 2020, 04:47:15 pm
I'm sorry to Juicebox and 4maskwolf for leading to your demises and causing you to lose.Lol, I was actually trying to get you to join us in the Merge, and you would've learned the secret: We were only Exterminators because we were told we were Exterminators.
I'm sorry to Jim for doubting him at first.
I'm not sorry for Webadict's demise because it looks like he won anyway so I'm sure he's cool with it now.
Lastly, fuck you Caz.
When I died, I was really trying to figure out what I could do to win, because I figured there were technically the easy ways to win--Exterminitus--but there must be a hard way to win. So, I literally just thought: "Why is my wincon still to kill everyone? I never followed that. But, it can't be survival anymore." And I PMed Meph to change my wincon to "Jim Groovester wins." And Meph let me do it, the madman.
At that point, the game had been broken: There were no rules. I wanted to tell everyone that on TP2, but we also were wary because ToonyMan, Caz, and heydude6 were still murdering people.
Also, had I known the extent of what I could do, I would've stun bombed ToonyMan and broken his limbs on HP1. Or like, one limb. Just enough limbs to teach him that there were rules.
Post by: Caz on December 19, 2020, 04:53:38 pm
(Completely lost at the RP aspect of the game, especially the merging ghosts, but cool story and arts :D)
Post by: RoseHeart on December 19, 2020, 04:58:33 pm
but cool story and arts :DThanks! I hope you like what you guys make for the ending.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2020, 04:59:52 pm
Lol, I was actually trying to get you to join us in the Merge, and you would've learned the secret: We were only Exterminators because we were told we were Exterminators.There wasn't enough in-game time for either me or Luckyowl to have a chance of winning, we died too late. I feel bad for Luckyowl because he was innocent but had no chance of victory. He just made the extremely poor call to lie about stuff deadchat could confirm and then proceeded to PULL A GUN OUT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE.
EDIT:
I can post all of my PMs later.
Post by: hector13 on December 19, 2020, 05:28:31 pm
Can't say I'm disappointed in how things turned out though, Meph gave me a link to the Merging qt, so I got to see how things were developing with the ghosties while being mostly oblivious to the stuff the living were doing.
Highly enjoyable stuff!
Post by: Caz on December 19, 2020, 05:36:29 pm
I enjoyed that. I was looking forward to discussing the game as it went forward in deadchat but then webadict went and broke everything and made it such that deadchat became a part of the game, so I became an observer at that point.
Can't say I'm disappointed in how things turned out though, Meph gave me a link to the Merging qt, so I got to see how things were developing with the ghosties while being mostly oblivious to the stuff the living were doing.
Highly enjoyable stuff!
Yeah, reading the 'merging' chat there was a lot going on separately. Maybe we should have focused more on making the psychic mind-shield antenna thing instead of the psychic scanner which only seemed to be able to locate the psychic emitter (which I still can't tell if that had any use at the end either) :s since without it the ghosts couldn't communicate really.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 19, 2020, 05:37:53 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 19, 2020, 06:57:17 pm
That was probably some of the most fun I've ever had playing a game of mafia. I want to say I probably had the most fun out of any player this game but doing quick browse through of the now available information that may not be true.
I'll get around to posting the PMs I exchanged at some point. There's stuff I want to mention.
. . .
I guess I didn't need to kill Luckyowl, huh? Oh, well.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 19, 2020, 07:05:05 pm
They were also just about exactly as much money as you all had pooled together at the point that I sent that PM. (I think you had like, an extra 50 KOR beyond the asking price).
There were a few moments in this game where if everyone had actually, fully, trusted everyone else you could have gotten an easy win. But, of course, how can you trust a bunch of hired killers who have bounties on each other's heads?
Post by: heydude6 on December 19, 2020, 07:32:42 pm
Post by: Caz on December 19, 2020, 07:43:31 pm
Post by: heydude6 on December 19, 2020, 08:12:57 pm
Post by: webadict on December 19, 2020, 08:18:50 pm
Tbh I'm just surprised it didn't end in a last man standing kinda thing. Once webadict declared war it seemed like a bit of a foregone conclusion right up until the company send soldiers to attack.??? Did... did you not read what I wrote? I literally said the opposite of that. I said no one kill anyone, or I blow up the ship.
Post by: hector13 on December 19, 2020, 08:19:02 pm
Honestly, Toonyman saved us by shutting down the comms. By killing the original win condition and getting an army sent after us, we were forced to work together at all costs. A part of me really wanted to say fuck it after we lost yet another player to someone’s uncontrolled bloodlust.
You were the one killing everyone :p
I was furious with you for killing two people and then having the audacity to tell everyone to stop killing each other on D2! :D
Post by: heydude6 on December 19, 2020, 08:28:51 pm
I’m spite of my violence, I think I was one of the biggest reasons why were able to keep it together at the end of that day. Although even with my efforts, the only reason why we didn’t have a bloodbath was because Toonyman got caught buying the stun bomb and finally confessed. And his Anti-tech
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 19, 2020, 08:48:09 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 19, 2020, 08:50:37 pm
Still kind of cruel since most people bought tech right at the beginning of the day. It’s not like there was any way I could control that!
Sure, but if people sold some high end stuff you'd still have had enough. And I wasn't going to make it easy on you! ;)
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 19, 2020, 08:54:49 pm
With my best guess, I know you, Icytea31, 4maskwolf, and me all chose Intel.Luckyowl, how'd you guess that I had intel? At that point in the game I'd been doing my best to actively conceal it.
Post by: heydude6 on December 19, 2020, 08:57:08 pm
By the way, I mentioned a game-breaker at one point. I'll save its details for if someone ever actually runs something like the battle royale that this game was first presented as, but I'll mention that the fact that mind control has priority over roleblocking is the key to stopping it in its tracks (at least in this setup). A player mind-controlled to self-target is not only effectively roleblocked, but also can't perform normal targeted roleblocks themself. (Except via mind control of their own, but they won't have that in the case that's being counterplayed).
I feel like the details should be known so the next person who wants to run it can fix it before they start their version of the game. It would suck if players discovered it in-game after it was too late to change.
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 19, 2020, 09:16:40 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2020, 11:21:20 pm
Spoiler: Stuff just with Meph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Working with Caz (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Working with Jim (click to show/hide)
Probably missed some but whatever.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2020, 01:14:50 am
On your way you get a pair of messages on your communicator:Wait, Jim you got paid 1220 KOR for Juicebox? What is this shit? Everyone else got 1000 KOR.
Bounty Kill confirmed on juicebox
1220 KOR has been transferred to your Account. Your balance is now 1320 KOR.
@Heydude:
Honestly, Toonyman saved us by shutting down the comms. By killing the original win condition and getting an army sent after us, we were forced to work together at all costs. A part of me really wanted to say fuck it after we lost yet another player to someone’s uncontrolled bloodlust.Maybe.
I’m spite of my violence, I think I was one of the biggest reasons why were able to keep it together at the end of that day. Although even with my efforts, the only reason why we didn’t have a bloodbath was because Toonyman got caught buying the stun bomb and finally confessed. And his Anti-techMy anti-tech field what?
@Roseheart:
For the final panel I will be accepting ALL SUGGESTIONS, this could get really weird! Spend your KOR(see totals, above) to influence how much impact your suggestion will have. Players may also merge their funds under the same suggestion. Otherwise, 1 suggestion per person.My 500 KOR goes to the Exterminator having their Mind Shield on and an angry ghost yelling at them in the background.
Post by: heydude6 on December 20, 2020, 01:22:17 am
I’m spite of my violence, I think I was one of the biggest reasons why were able to keep it together at the end of that day. Although even with my efforts, the only reason why we didn’t have a bloodbath was because Toonyman got caught buying the stun bomb and finally confessed. And his Anti-techMy anti-tech field what?
In spite of my pacifist pleas on day 3, people still tried to kill you. You only survived that night cause you had anti-tech. If someone had succeeded, we'd likely have all turned against eachother. You saw what we did to LuckyOwl once you finally did croak.
EDIT: And Caz would have been murdered too if I hadn't talked Jim out of it. It was the right call considering the role he played in the final few fights. We barely made it as is, imagine what would have happened if we were one man down!
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2020, 01:25:44 am
@Jim:On your way you get a pair of messages on your communicator:Wait, Jim you got paid 1220 KOR for Juicebox? What is this shit? Everyone else got 1000 KOR.
Bounty Kill confirmed on juicebox
1220 KOR has been transferred to your Account. Your balance is now 1320 KOR.
I CHEATED
I'll post all my PMs (there's A LOT) but the gist of it is that I sent a message to the viewers to start a donation war for how I should kill juicebox. Meph increased the bounty with the top suggestion being to kill juicebox with a knife from the shadows.
So not only did I not kill juicebox, but I also got paid extra to not kill him.
I have just been informed Meph has handed over the controls for the wrap-up to me. Let's have some fun with this, shall we?
For the final panel I will be accepting ALL SUGGESTIONS, this could get really weird! Spend your KOR(see totals, above) to influence how much impact your suggestion will have. Players may also merge their funds under the same suggestion. Otherwise, 1 suggestion per person.
If you wish to send it by PM, please add both myself and Mephansteras as recipients.
Epilogue Phase ends Wednesday at 5pm PST!
I am going to spend all the KOR that everybody else sent me to put my digital likeness front and center and as prominently as possible. I want everybody to surmise from the final panel alone that I was the central figure of the game.
Also, webadict's plasma bomb is a storied character in this game, so make sure it appears somewhere as well.
Also get Meph in there as well. It could not have been a small amount of work being the moderator for this game.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2020, 01:31:19 am
You won Bastard Paranormal 2 too when most players didn't...like me...
EDIT:
Everything I did for myself ended up only benefiting you. Killing Webadict gave you ghost minions, killing Juicebox gave you 1220 KOR, antagonizing Caz made them target me even though you were their bounty, arrrrgh!!!
Post by: heydude6 on December 20, 2020, 01:44:15 am
I have just been informed Meph has handed over the controls for the wrap-up to me. Let's have some fun with this, shall we?
For the final panel I will be accepting ALL SUGGESTIONS, this could get really weird! Spend your KOR(see totals, above) to influence how much impact your suggestion will have. Players may also merge their funds under the same suggestion. Otherwise, 1 suggestion per person.
If you wish to send it by PM, please add both myself and Mephansteras as recipients.
Epilogue Phase ends Wednesday at 5pm PST!
I am going to spend all the KOR that everybody else sent me to put my digital likeness front and center and as prominently as possible. I want everybody to surmise from the final panel alone that I was the central figure of the game.
Wow...
Somehow this feels like a bigger betrayal than if he just killed us all.
And I thought you were nice.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2020, 01:58:44 am
Why is Jim always the protagonist. :(
You won Bastard Paranormal 2 too when most players didn't...like me...
EDIT:
Everything I did for myself ended up only benefiting you. Killing Webadict gave you ghost minions, killing Juicebox gave you 1220 KOR, antagonizing Caz made them target me even though you were their bounty, arrrrgh!!!
I dunno, man, try buying the name brand of plot armor instead of the knock off brand.
I MEAN, unlike BP1 and BP2, we all started off with the same footing, so you had just as much opportunity as I did, but I'll grant you that once the game started there were definitely a lot of things that went my way, most of which I don't really think anybody could have reasonably predicted.
I have just been informed Meph has handed over the controls for the wrap-up to me. Let's have some fun with this, shall we?
For the final panel I will be accepting ALL SUGGESTIONS, this could get really weird! Spend your KOR(see totals, above) to influence how much impact your suggestion will have. Players may also merge their funds under the same suggestion. Otherwise, 1 suggestion per person.
If you wish to send it by PM, please add both myself and Mephansteras as recipients.
Epilogue Phase ends Wednesday at 5pm PST!
I am going to spend all the KOR that everybody else sent me to put my digital likeness front and center and as prominently as possible. I want everybody to surmise from the final panel alone that I was the central figure of the game.
Wow...
Somehow this feels like a bigger betrayal than if he just killed us all.
And I thought you were nice.
This is where I thump my chest and say I earned it, regardless of how true or accurate that is.
Thanks for giving Shakerag all your money.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2020, 02:02:06 am
What's the stuff in dead chat about the psychic presence in the mines?
I really wanted to take over the station and start a merry little Exterminator pirate band. I wonder if at the end had I convinced people to stick around and fight it out at the mining station if I could've made that happen.
I think some of my favorite moments from this game are when heydude6 told me via PM he was going to take me up on my offer to hide in the airlock after initially refusing me. Also, Shakerag's post after me and heydude6 had ventilated Luckyowl. No interest in the scene that had just played out, just 'hey guys I've still got the replicator charge'.
Meph mentioned there were about 800 PMs and it appears that I account for roughly 25% of them. Once I learned that it was that kind of game I went nuts and probably would've done even more if Meph was as glued to his computer as I was glued to mine for much of the game. I'll post all the PMs I have but since I sent 200 and received who knows how many, this will take a while.
Spoiler: Pregame PMs - Jim tries to get people to show up (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Day 1 - Jim has a lot of rule questions (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Night 1 - Jim learns how to stop worrying and love the plasma bomb (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on December 20, 2020, 02:05:13 am
Why is Jim always the protagonist. :(
You won Bastard Paranormal 2 too when most players didn't...like me...
EDIT:
Everything I did for myself ended up only benefiting you. Killing Webadict gave you ghost minions, killing Juicebox gave you 1220 KOR, antagonizing Caz made them target me even though you were their bounty, arrrrgh!!!
People just don't like killing Jim in Bastard Paranormals, I guess. I mean, he literally had bounties on his head this time and...still nothing.
Personally, I'm glad, because he and web were the two who really picked up on the 'Freeform RPG' thing and started to run with it. Web of course died early, but at least he figured out that he could still do stuff as a ghost.
It'd have been a bit boring if no one figured out that they could just do stuff.
And, yeah, Jim sent me a LOT of PMs. He definitely needed his own quicktopic.
Post by: Vector on December 20, 2020, 02:39:00 am
Cheers to all.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2020, 03:46:41 am
The most intense and engaging parts of this game were when I was wondering and worrying about a coordinated team of people going opposing me. E.G., hiding from ToonyMan and Caz during Hunt Phase 2, and when I was worried Luckyowl was gloating about an imminent victory and was about to shoot me.
Spoiler: Truce Phase 1 - Jim makes the call and starts crowdsourcing the escape (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2020, 03:50:43 am
I'd be okay with getting you, me, and 4mask spacesuits and blowing up the life support on these guys. Maybe we could take Shake with us. They are kinda stuck in the rules a bit too much.Post by: Caz on December 20, 2020, 04:55:04 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2020, 05:05:12 am
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2020, 09:09:39 am
Why is Jim always the protagonist. :(Because he didn't play the killing game. Because he won the popular vote. Because he was the one that was trying things out. Because he lived.
You won Bastard Paranormal 2 too when most players didn't...like me...
EDIT:
Everything I did for myself ended up only benefiting you. Killing Webadict gave you ghost minions, killing Juicebox gave you 1220 KOR, antagonizing Caz made them target me even though you were their bounty, arrrrgh!!!
Basically, there were only 3 people that could be the "protagonist": Jim Groovester, me, and 4maskwolf. The reason being that each of us were trying to avoid the main conflict of everyone dying. Shakerag and Luckyowl could've been backups, but Shakerag wasn't here and Luckyowl was too inexperienced.
4maskwolf knew they were going to die and gave me all of their stuff. I had already given Jim permission to take all of my stuff and also to blow up the ship if things ever went south because there was a reasonable chance I was going to die.
I probably would've been the worst protagonist, honestly. Lots of what I was doing was setting up backup plans to kill you all so that we could go about not killing each other! Setting up the Plasma Bomb in the Life Support module was there so you all could behave like good children. Had I known how hard it was for you to behave, I'd have blown it up immediately. All I had to do was show that not killing each other was the best idea. And honestly, Jim was the ultimate proof of the very concept. Which is why I recruited the dead to take Jim's side. And changed my wincon. And everything postdeath. Because at that point, Jim represented the game that we were supposed to be playing.
I can take a supporting role in making Jim the star. He was instrumental in figuring out the game.
Honestly, at the end, I probably would've done more, but I got busy, so I only posted a bit. Otherwise, you'd have had more ghost things happening.
Post by: RoseHeart on December 20, 2020, 09:48:20 am
Also, webadict's plasma bomb is a storied character in this game, so make sure it appears somewhere as well.
Also get Meph in there as well. It could not have been a small amount of work being the moderator for this game.
You may spread your KOR among different players' suggestions, but please only 1 unique suggestion per person.
Post by: RoseHeart on December 20, 2020, 09:50:38 am
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(500) Ignored Ghost (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225071#msg8225071): (500) ToonyMan
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Post by: Caz on December 20, 2020, 10:34:16 am
EDIT: And Caz would have been murdered too if I hadn't talked Jim out of it. It was the right call considering the role he played in the final few fights. We barely made it as is, imagine what would have happened if we were one man down!
You ruined my chance to be killed by ghosts? -.- How could you?!
Post by: RoseHeart on December 20, 2020, 10:37:34 am
There were also...over 800 PMs that got exchanged through this game. I'd post them all, but that would be a bit excessive. It'd be nice if people would share their stories, either via posting relevant PMs or just a synopsis. Lots of this game happened via PMs.
In hindsight, I should have set up a quicktopic for each player once we moved over to the Freeform RPG part of the game. That would have made things much easier, and way easier to share at the end of the game.
Overall, this was fun but exhausting for me to run. It was also an interesting experiment working with roseheart on the art. It wasn't as smooth as we'd hoped, but I think it added a nice touch to everything!
I hope you all had fun playing as well!
It's funny to think this collaboration grew out of some fan art from the last The Thing inspired (non-bastard) paranormal mafia. However 'integral' my art was to this session, while a matter of opinion and maybe even taste, was larger than first envisioned for sure. Especially at the beginning when interactions remained mostly in the thread and I could follow along I was invited to help with a lot of the planning which was pretty cool! And I think it resulted in some cool panels too.
I look forward to working with Mephansteras again soon when I host my vanilla mafia. I'm not sure if there will be any art as I will be doing the heavy lifting, but Meph has offered to help with the writing, so look forward to that.
I'd also like to plug my game Tribe, which is a Mafia-like game, and the current session is just about to wrap up. So this could be a chance to see what my hosting style is like, and something more bastard like, like this game. That will probably start in about two weeks.
As for my contributing art again. Well I'm always down for Bastard Paranormal 4.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 20, 2020, 11:04:38 am
I gotta say I had fun even if I died at the end. But one thing I want to make clear to Jim is that I didn't pull out my pistol to shoot you. I pulled it out because what the comm guy said. If I was planning to kill you I would've done that action in PM.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2020, 02:01:35 pm
The reason being that each of us were trying to avoid the main conflict of everyone dying.Let me express my frustrations.
Unlike you, I don't like to have blind faith in random people at the start of a game when some players could easily be an antagonistic faction. You know how absolutely terrible your pacifistic buddy pile would have been with 4mask and Jim if there were actual corporate exterminators? I was doing everything in my power to win this game, without blind luck. For the first couple phases I played how you should have, maybe it wasn't the right call and I definitely should have at least got an overview of the station, but what my paranoid did let me confirm is that nobody left alive was playing the game!
Throughout Truce Phase 2 I considered every possibility I could think of. On Hunt Phase 2 I found Jim's mind shield and nobody tried to night kill. Even though Caz didn't cough up anything, everybody else did which confirms at the very least she didn't night kill, although I was still wary of her trying to trick us with tech stuff which ends up making me lose?? Once I properly deduced I could trust everybody but Caz, I was fully onboard "freeform RPG" and tried everything I could with Meph.
I'm not very good at role-playing so I didn't have the INGENIOUS IDEA to change my wincon after dying, not that myself or Luckyowl would even have the chance to. Let me illustrate what Meph's thought process probably was for this:
Webadict "Damn I died after completely guessing what the game setup was at the start of the game, good thing I was actually right and can rub it in everyone's faces! Hey Meph can I change my wincon to something other than survival?"
Meph "....Sure."
Meph thinks how this could affect their game, coming up with the idea of attaching a ghost's wincon to one living player's survival to make it more balanced.
Meph "You can win if someone else living wins."
Webadict "Great, if Jim wins I win!"
He turns around and faces everybody who's dead.
Webadict "Everybody, side with Jim, because I said so."
Ghosts "Okay."
Meph "Wait, on second thought this might be brok-"
Webadict "NO TAKE BACKS"
9/11 free wins with no opposing force besides player's IRL paranoia and a strike squad that rolls 1s? How can victory or failure in this game be truly placed? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but guesses right? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but is lucky? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but dies early? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but dies late?
Well I'm always down for Bastard Paranormal 4....Nooooo......
What's the stuff in dead chat about the psychic presence in the mines?No clue, never made it there. I sensed a psychic presence there as a ghost.
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2020, 03:11:49 pm
Probably really bad! But, if you don't put trust in someone, is it really a Mafia game? Having my trust be rewarded or betrayed is part of the thrill! 4mask and Jim rewarded my trust and you and Caz betrayed it. I mean, that's just how my playstyle works. Find someone to trust and follow them. Even if it's off a bridge! And if that's what happens, then next time I just have to be better about not picking the bridge jumper!The reason being that each of us were trying to avoid the main conflict of everyone dying.Let me express my frustrations.
Unlike you, I don't like to have blind faith in random people at the start of a game when some players could easily be an antagonistic faction. You know how absolutely terrible your pacifistic buddy pile would have been with 4mask and Jim if their were actual corporate exterminators?
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2020, 03:14:26 pm
9/11 free wins with no opposing force besides player's IRL paranoia and a strike squad that rolls 1s? How can victory or failure in this game be truly placed? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but guesses right? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but is lucky? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but dies early? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but dies late?Have you tried changing your wincon... Postgame?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2020, 03:21:17 pm
If you really trusted everybody, why didn't you and 4mask contact me and Caz in private earlier? Instead of threatening everyone publicly at the point in the game where nobody has any KOR or security?Probably really bad! But, if you don't put trust in someone, is it really a Mafia game? Having my trust be rewarded or betrayed is part of the thrill! 4mask and Jim rewarded my trust and you and Caz betrayed it. I mean, that's just how my playstyle works. Find someone to trust and follow them. Even if it's off a bridge! And if that's what happens, then next time I just have to be better about not picking the bridge jumper!The reason being that each of us were trying to avoid the main conflict of everyone dying.Let me express my frustrations.
Unlike you, I don't like to have blind faith in random people at the start of a game when some players could easily be an antagonistic faction. You know how absolutely terrible your pacifistic buddy pile would have been with 4mask and Jim if their were actual corporate exterminators?
What's the point if I already know the answer.9/11 free wins with no opposing force besides player's IRL paranoia and a strike squad that rolls 1s? How can victory or failure in this game be truly placed? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but guesses right? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but is lucky? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but dies early? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but dies late?Have you tried changing your wincon... Postgame?
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2020, 03:24:22 pm
Also, webadict's plasma bomb is a storied character in this game, so make sure it appears somewhere as well.
Also get Meph in there as well. It could not have been a small amount of work being the moderator for this game.
You may spread your KOR among different players' suggestions, but please only 1 unique suggestion per person.
Oh, now we have rules?
Yuh huh.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2020, 03:29:07 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2020, 04:12:43 pm
Spoiler: Hunt Phase 2 Part 1 - Everybody wants to hide from Caz and ToonyMan (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2020, 04:13:08 pm
Spoiler: Hunt Phase 2 Part 2 - Jim makes big plans only to get stun bombed (click to show/hide)
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2020, 04:35:07 pm
My thought process is that contacting you privately would only withhold information from other people that I trusted. Plus, I assumed you would think it's more suspicious to PM you. I didn't see where it would go if you were already mega-paranoid.If you really trusted everybody, why didn't you and 4mask contact me and Caz in private earlier? Instead of threatening everyone publicly at the point in the game where nobody has any KOR or security?Probably really bad! But, if you don't put trust in someone, is it really a Mafia game? Having my trust be rewarded or betrayed is part of the thrill! 4mask and Jim rewarded my trust and you and Caz betrayed it. I mean, that's just how my playstyle works. Find someone to trust and follow them. Even if it's off a bridge! And if that's what happens, then next time I just have to be better about not picking the bridge jumper!The reason being that each of us were trying to avoid the main conflict of everyone dying.Let me express my frustrations.
Unlike you, I don't like to have blind faith in random people at the start of a game when some players could easily be an antagonistic faction. You know how absolutely terrible your pacifistic buddy pile would have been with 4mask and Jim if their were actual corporate exterminators?
Post by: Caz on December 20, 2020, 04:48:45 pm
you and Caz betrayed it.
Expecting to be trusted while you're spending your time trying to below everyone up is really funny.
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2020, 05:07:51 pm
Fair, but did that justify juicebox and 4maskwolf dying, too? I honestly believe that you both would have killed me regardless of my actions, specifically because those two died, both of whom had done nothing to warrant untrustworthiness, no?you and Caz betrayed it.
Expecting to be trusted while you're spending your time trying to below everyone up is really funny.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 20, 2020, 05:15:19 pm
<Snip>
Let me illustrate what Meph's thought process probably was for this:
Webadict "Damn I died after completely guessing what the game setup was at the start of the game, good thing I was actually right and can rub it in everyone's faces! Hey Meph can I change my wincon to something other than survival?"
Meph "....Sure."
Meph thinks how this could affect their game, coming up with the idea of attaching a ghost's wincon to one living player's survival to make it more balanced.
Meph "You can win if someone else living wins."
Webadict "Great, if Jim wins I win!"
He turns around and faces everybody who's dead.
Webadict "Everybody, side with Jim, because I said so."
Ghosts "Okay."
Meph "Wait, on second thought this might be brok-"
Webadict "NO TAKE BACKS"
9/11 free wins with no opposing force besides player's IRL paranoia and a strike squad that rolls 1s? How can victory or failure in this game be truly placed? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but guesses right? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but is lucky? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but dies early? Somebody who does (or doesn't) contribute much, but dies late?
More accurately, it went something like this:
Web: I want to change my win condition
Me: Ok, it has to be something that can fail
Web: I want to win if Jim wins
Me: Ok, that's fine. If Jim dies you lose, and that could easily happen.
The fact that all the dead went along with it (and some didn't even try to change their win condition) was mostly just lucky for Web. I mean, if one of them decided that their win condition was now 'Jim Dies' that could have screwed things up for both Web and Jim.
From a pure Meta perspective, it was balanced. It's a bastard game! Anyone could win. All of you could win. All of you could lose!
As it is, only 6 people actually won. And the four who lived realistically won more than the ghosts. Although they might enjoy haunting an abandoned mining station. Hard to tell.
The ghosts who lost but did the merging and whatnot still lost, they just get to feel better about it and I guess in that universe get a better afterlife/reincarnation or whatever for selflessly trying to aid some of the living.
As far as contributions go towards winning, I mean, you can be a completely useless townie in a normal Mafia game and win just as much as the players who properly suss out the scum and win the game. Or be the one useless scum team member who manages to somehow live to the end and win with the rest of the scum team who actually played well. Mafia has never been about rewarding good play. You can play great and still lose. It's about teams winning. (Even, occasionally, a team of 1)
In this game, it just so happened that the teams had to be formed by the players instead of me at the start.
Post by: TricMagic on December 20, 2020, 05:30:08 pm
Post by: Vector on December 20, 2020, 05:34:44 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 20, 2020, 06:22:50 pm
Post by: Caz on December 20, 2020, 06:27:51 pm
Fair, but did that justify juicebox and 4maskwolf dying, too? I honestly believe that you both would have killed me regardless of my actions, specifically because those two died, both of whom had done nothing to warrant untrustworthiness, no?you and Caz betrayed it.
Expecting to be trusted while you're spending your time trying to below everyone up is really funny.
4mask was the saddest bit tbh, but if it was him dying also vs us all blowing up. He also tried killing n1 so it's not as if he wasn't playing. Mostly it worked out neatly (me and Toony having cross-bounties, and web necessitating the removal), but Toony surviving with 1k advantage wasn't so good either.
Not sure what juicebox has to do with me. ToonyMan botting him was half the reason I didn't trust him after I found out (other half being the accusations that seemed forced to me, the bounty, and obviously the action threats)
and I also prevented you killing Jim n1, so there's that :P (technically, heydude also helped... if only to clear the way so he could nk luckyowl @_@ (though I can't see any record of item choice so idk how 100% this is given shields and blasters etc. but you get the gist)
Post by: Caz on December 20, 2020, 06:28:14 pm
I believe, personally, that we won if a game worth talking about was played. It sounds like this game will give us some stories to remember.
It was definitely unique. :D
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 20, 2020, 06:29:30 pm
I did nothing of the sort. Once it was determined we weren't going to commit mass suicide I didn't even submit a PM for N1 because I intended to take no action.Fair, but did that justify juicebox and 4maskwolf dying, too? I honestly believe that you both would have killed me regardless of my actions, specifically because those two died, both of whom had done nothing to warrant untrustworthiness, no?you and Caz betrayed it.
Expecting to be trusted while you're spending your time trying to below everyone up is really funny.
4mask was the saddest bit tbh, but if it was him dying also vs us all blowing up. He also tried killing n1 so it's not as if he wasn't playing.
Post by: Caz on December 20, 2020, 06:32:53 pm
I did nothing of the sort. Once it was determined we weren't going to commit mass suicide I didn't even submit a PM for N1 because I intended to take no action.
Really? then what is this?
4maskwolf Alien Exterminator Alive 100 Kill Toonyman, Scan Caz and Icytea31 Stunned
You head back to your berth to start planning out your night. On the way, Jim Groovester passes you a two-shot Scanner, nods, and walks off.
As you stand in your berth getting ready you hear a slight buzz, and then your body collapses under you, paralyzed. You are stunned, and all plans you had for the night are moot.
A second buzzing sound fills the room and you black out.
When you awake, you can move again. You’re a bit stiff from the uncomfortable position you ended up in, but otherwise unharmed.
A light blinking on your communicator alerts you to a message you received overnight.
Bounty Offered: 1000 KOR for the death of Toonyman. Payment will be remitted upon confirmation.
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 20, 2020, 06:34:35 pm
...Oh yeah, I did want to kill Toony on N1!I did nothing of the sort. Once it was determined we weren't going to commit mass suicide I didn't even submit a PM for N1 because I intended to take no action.
Really? then what is this?4maskwolf Alien Exterminator Alive 100 Kill Toonyman, Scan Caz and Icytea31 Stunned
You head back to your berth to start planning out your night. On the way, Jim Groovester passes you a two-shot Scanner, nods, and walks off.
As you stand in your berth getting ready you hear a slight buzz, and then your body collapses under you, paralyzed. You are stunned, and all plans you had for the night are moot.
A second buzzing sound fills the room and you black out.
When you awake, you can move again. You’re a bit stiff from the uncomfortable position you ended up in, but otherwise unharmed.
A light blinking on your communicator alerts you to a message you received overnight.
Bounty Offered: 1000 KOR for the death of Toonyman. Payment will be remitted upon confirmation.
Honestly I kinda stopped paying attention to the game the moment Truce Phase 1 happened so I forgot most of what I thought on D1.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2020, 11:46:53 pm
You're right, it wasn't justified. I targeted Juicebox along with Webadict because it was a power play. On one hand if Jim was good I wanted him alive as an ally, on the other hand if he was bad I would be denying his bounty. What I got instead was somebody else actually being there, which made me incredibly suspicious of Jim because I wasn't in on the PMs. I was even thinking of continuing my cooperation with Caz and we could eliminate Jim and Heydude, the only others with KOR, and be unstoppable. Of course I would plasma bomb Caz when she went off to kill Jim or Heydude instead, and then split the blame between myself and the surviving party so that Luckyowl and Shakerag wouldn't know what to do. I felt like that made my chance of a solo victory at least 50%.Fair, but did that justify juicebox and 4maskwolf dying, too? I honestly believe that you both would have killed me regardless of my actions, specifically because those two died, both of whom had done nothing to warrant untrustworthiness, no?you and Caz betrayed it.Expecting to be trusted while you're spending your time trying to below everyone up is really funny.
But then Heydude stopped playing the game, and Jim never was playing the game. This would make it impossible to convince Caz to kill them with me. This post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8219244#msg8219244) and this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8219484#msg8219484) ultimately stopped me from killing ever again.
Toony would be at the top of my list for certain. Caz is a maybe. You and heydude are very low.I have not.I've been wondering the same thing and I'm leaning towards there being some sort of scum team in this game.
What do you think the over/under is on there being actual counter-forces among the players as opposed to people just getting itchy and trigger happy last night?
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that there are all these people preaching for a nonviolent outcome to this game, but then being as maximally efficient and violent when given the chance.
It was me...I was the scum team...So, I decided to go into the airlock after all. I'm pretty sure Toony is going to come after me for sure now, so it would be quite the troll if he got no-selled.JIM SAVE ME
This is my favorite PM in the game.
People feared me the most when I had no intention of harming them.
From a pure Meta perspective, it was balanced. It's a bastard game! Anyone could win. All of you could win. All of you could lose!True.
As far as contributions go towards winning, I mean, you can be a completely useless townie in a normal Mafia game and win just as much as the players who properly suss out the scum and win the game. Or be the one useless scum team member who manages to somehow live to the end and win with the rest of the scum team who actually played well. Mafia has never been about rewarding good play. You can play great and still lose. It's about teams winning. (Even, occasionally, a team of 1)True.
In this game, it just so happened that the teams had to be formed by the players instead of me at the start.
The way I would look at it is that this game was 11 SKs, except the SKs could win by cooperating, or sneaking out, or dying early enough to change wincons.
I wish some players actually had different objectives though, anybody's motivation could completely change through the course of the game, because alignment doesn't matter. Without a discernible scum team I feel like most people will gravitate towards cooperation, as shown here. Nobody wants to challenge everyone else if there's another way out, and the outliers who do, die.
oh noThis would legit be a hilarious twist for BP 4.Lmao you're right.Which is hilarious given your sigtext.But you know, Shakerag, he's actually correct, in that I am a telepathic cult leader/hivemind/whatever whose role appears as Exterminator even on allegedly infallible Intel and I've converted more people than there are phases in the game and ToonyMan is the only person who can see through my LIESMy bro Toony is going full Qanon now.I'm sorely tempted to assassin bot Toony, because I feel like he's gonna screw things up.I would not fault you in the slightest if you did that and I would also not want to convince you not to do that.
This has been a plan nearly ten years in the making!
Post by: RoseHeart on December 21, 2020, 06:04:36 am
Post by: webadict on December 21, 2020, 07:44:18 am
It was me...I was the scum team..."No! I must kill the demons," he shouted!
People feared me the most when I had no intention of harming them.
The radio said "No, ToonyMan. You are the demons."
And then, ToonyMan was a Zombie.
Post by: Caz on December 21, 2020, 08:01:53 am
Role alignments and win conditions are not revealed until everyone is dead.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 21, 2020, 02:22:22 pm
New game type: ultra-bastard
Role alignments and win conditions are not revealed until everyone is dead.
Bwahahahaha. You're Evil, Caz!
Post by: heydude6 on December 22, 2020, 05:29:43 am
If you aren't interested in a summary, then feel free to scroll past this though I think you should read the Day 5 section at least. Jim didn't post his PMs for that day, but I did. I think they're pretty interesting.
The summary itself took up
Day 3
It seems I was right to be paranoid. A ton of deaths, the ship was stopped, and our Great Leader Jim was reduced to bickering with Toonyman and LuckyOwl. Whatever semblance of hope we had yesterday had been completely crushed.
As you can imagine, I began thinking about how to kill everyone. Unfortunately, doing this only made me realize how terrible of a position I was in due to the bad decisions I made. I had no tech because I blew it all in the previous two days, and I was also the least trustworthy player because of what I did to Trickmagic.
I was only able to come up with two plans for winning the game. Buy a replicator and make an anti-tech and personal shield, or buy a plasmabomb and hope everyone else dies in a chain reaction. Neither was promising, so I ultimately had to give up on playing that way.
Spoiler: Some early PMs of me playing with the ship (click to show/hide)
I didn't really have any plan yet so I just threw random ideas at meph to see how they would stick. This lead to me finding the life-support plasmabomb as well as the bounty hunter lead. I needed that last one honestly. It was the first piece of hope that I had seen that day, and was what finally made me believe cooperation was possible. Ironic considering the circumstances.
From there, I focused my efforts on lowering the bounty hunter's price and it was also when I started talking to Shakerag.
Spoiler: Bounty hunter stuff (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Shakerag conversation (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Plus some other random stuff I did (click to show/hide)
With progress made in PMs, it was time for me to finally post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8219244#msg8219244) in the main thread and try to save this day.
The reactions were less than I hoped for, but as we can now see, I clearly made the right choice. It honestly scares me to think of how differently things would have ended up if had just been a little better off. I wasn't happy with the options I had earlier, but if I already had some of that gear, I probably would have bought what I was missing and still try to play the game. My one advantage was not being in the spotlight like Toony and Jim were, and I thought I could have at least survived one more night if I stayed silent.
I was even thinking of continuing my cooperation with Caz and we could eliminate Jim and Heydude, the only others with KOR, and be unstoppable.
It's funny how wrong I was. If Toonyman pulled off his plan, I don't think there would have been any means of stopping the bloodshed anymore.
With my post, we had transitioned to a different phase of day 3. Things had begun to calm down and we started trying to piece together what happened last night. I won't waste your time with a summary, I'll let my Pms speak for themselves
Spoiler: Advanced Assassin Bot Paranoia (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: My weird one-sided conversation with Shakerag (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Other random stuff I did (Some of this is silly) (click to show/hide)
Post by: heydude6 on December 22, 2020, 05:33:29 am
The Hunt phase came and things were mostly in a good place. People calmed down, all of the murderers confessed (one way or another), and it seemed like we were back on track to working together. My only disapointments were that nobody wanted to pool their money into the Shakerag world peace fund and it seemed like nobody had a plan. Of course there was my own, but it was probably too late for it at that point. Money had been spent. The only way to pay the bounty hunter now was if I got a big enough discount from the intel I was trying to collect.
Reluctantly, I decided to not kill Toonyman, Jim, or Caz. Though I still didn't fully trust Toony, what peace we did have was hard-fought and I wasn't going to throw it and whatever last chance we had at victory away over a principle.
The downside to this is that people may start to think I was bluffing from the very beggining. To salvage my reputation and try to keep a cooperative atmosphere going, I decided to keep up my end of the bargain and give my money to Shakerag. He would need it if I were to die for whaetever reason.
As for the rest of the night, I'll let the PMs speak for themselves. Some of them technically started slightly before the hunt phase, but the thread of conversation continued into it.
Spoiler: Airlock Lockup (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Other stuff (click to show/hide)
If you want to know how the phone call went, just check my night PM which Meph posted. Tells you all you need to know. Somehow I survived again.
Day 4
Not as eventful as Day 3, at least from my perspective. The main challenge I faced was figuring out how to present my plan to everyone. The intel I got last night was basically useless (and after all that effort too), but thankfully Jim was going to get us real intel. I had a sinking feeling that the discount still wasn't going to be enough though. I needed a plan in case that happened.
Spoiler: Relevant PMs (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: The most important one (click to show/hide)
Yeah. I think that Shakerag PM will come as a shock to a lot of you. It seemed like whatever good vibes we had yesterday were starting to wear off. Maybe I shouldn't have been so surprised by how the next night went.
Thankfully, we were able to avoid the dark topic of betrayal for the time when Jim came back with the Intel. It was good news. Right as one plan was about to die, a new plan was ready to take its place. There was no need to keep my plan secret anymore, though I wish I didn't send that Shakerag PM.
Spoiler: My Announcement (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Random Stuff (click to show/hide)
Night
The day ended on a good note. All we had to do was come up with a plan to assault the hangar and we would be free. Jim provided us with exactly such a thing, but from my perspective it didn't seem like anyone was doing anything. I certainly wasn't. Were we too disorganized to act once victory was finally within our grasp?
No, that wasn't it. I just misunderstood things. It turned out the night was only going to be used to set things up. Since the main thread was empty, I didn't see all the things that were happening in the PMs. I wonder if it made anyone else worry?
Post by: heydude6 on December 22, 2020, 05:37:34 am
Another nightmare! In spite of all possible reason, someone decided to kill again. It was Toony who died, so the target made some sense at least, but it had set us back so much! If we're going to assault the hangar we need to work as a team, but that's a hard thing to do when there are still people willing to shoot us in the back.
I ended up going into diplomat mode again, asking questions in order to try to figure out what happened. While I did that though, I started to make preparations in case the situation deteriorated.
Spoiler: PMs. One is Important (click to show/hide)
I only tried to take credit for Toony's death for the money, but looking back on it, I think I could have used this situation to become the last person standing. After Jim's poster shenanigans, I kind of wish I did. But that was never going to happen. I was in a panic, but more importantly I didn't have the heart to do betrayals anymore. There was no way the me of the past could have come up with the intricate plan I have now, and the ghosts would have likely killed me anyway after pulling it off.
*Sigh* What could have been...
Caz ended up confessing to the murder (and owning an advanced targetting system), while LuckyOwl began to dig himself into a hole. I haven't said anything about this in the summary yet, but Luckyowl had been giving me wierd vibes since Day 1. If anyone was a traitor working for the corporations it would be him.
I hate saying that, since he played an instrumental role in getting Toonyman to confess in Day 2, but things were crazy in the heat of the moment. It was Jim's idea...
The deed was done and the bird was killed. He was innocent, an outcome that could have been easily predicted if one used logic, but we were having none of that today. When you eliminate the impossible, only the improbable remains. He really was that clumsy and terrible with words.
Jim and I had to deal with the aftermath though and tensions were still high.
Spoiler: After the murder (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: But can we trust Caz? (click to show/hide)
But we were finally able to calm down and begin our assault
Spoiler: The Patrol (Colour Coded for Convenience) (click to show/hide)
And then the others arrived and we had our final battle. The decision to not kill Caz was the right one, and together we somehow survived.
And that's it. My writing made the ending a bit anti-climactic but I'm happy I was able to get this done. It may be too much for you guys to read, but if anyone ever reads this in an archive, I think it will give them a pretty good idea of what was going on.
The only perspective we're really missing is dead chat's because I think Web Pmed Meph a lot. This took me half a day to do though, so I do understand why web might not do this. The idea still makes me sad.
Post by: heydude6 on December 22, 2020, 06:07:30 am
Be proud of yourself Meph, few could have achieved something like this.
Being at the end, I'm left with a few questions though. Some for you and some for the other players.
For Meph
I was surprised to learn that you didn't intentionally place the spaceship repair ad to clue us into the fact that we could try to use it to escape and likewise interact with the world. Did you have any escape possibility in mind initially or did you just make a world a try to see what your crazy players would come up with?
Building off of that first question, how did you expect this to play out? Did you expect us to escape together? Did you expect us to play to the last man? Which people did you think were most likely to win? Were you expecting us to annihilate each other and leave no victor behind?
For the players
This is my first time surviving to the end of a mafia game, and I'm curious to hear what you guys thought of me as a player? When I looked through the dead chat I saw a lot of hate (You could say I was quite the heel), but in the end we managed to make it out together and I think I played an important roll in that. How do you feel? What did you think of the big speech I made in Day 3? It sure shocked a lot of people.
Now it's time for the poster idea. I'm putting my 200KOR into something like this:
The bloody corpses of Trickmagic, Iceytea, and Luckyowl are in a trail behind me.
I am right behind Jim wearing Ghandi robes and holding a blood-stained conscientious objector (https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Conscientious_Objector) in a readied stance. Ready to swing it and clobber him with it while he smugly savours the spotlight, unaware of what's about to happen to him.
You shouldn't have turned your back on your teammates Jim.
One thing that became clear to me while looking back through the posts is that I was a massive hypocrite. Killing LuckyOwl and then telling everyone to stop doing wanton murder was comedy gold. In spite of that, I genuinely did play an important role in keeping the peace. I wanted to represent that in the poster somehow.
Plus revenge against Jim is oh so sweet!
Post by: RoseHeart on December 22, 2020, 08:35:53 am
(1470) Legendary Exterminator (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225075#msg8225075): (1470) Jim Groovester
(500) Ignored Ghost (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225071#msg8225071): (500) ToonyMan
(200) Sponsors Investigate (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8224922#msg8224922): (200) TricMagic
(200) Revenge Mob (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225815#msg8225815): (200) heydude6
• 1 scene request per player.
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Epilogue bidding phase will go until ~Wednesday at 5pm PST!
Post by: RoseHeart on December 22, 2020, 08:40:19 am
Post by: ToonyMan on December 22, 2020, 09:00:08 am
If you can't tell, I had a lot of fun. You basically made a playable Danganrompa. We had clever scheming, people trying to escape, people trying to kill, and plenty of surprise twists. It was great :DUpupupu.
For Meph
Building off of that first question, how did you expect this to play out? Did you expect us to escape together? Did you expect us to play to the last man? Which people did you think were most likely to win? Were you expecting us to annihilate each other and leave no victor behind?
I'll put the Bastard Paranormal up into signups today and let it run through the weekend and hopefully get started by Monday.You be the judge.
It's not a long game if things go as I expect they will. But I think people will have a ton of fun with it.
This is my first time surviving to the end of a mafia game, and I'm curious to hear what you guys thought of me as a player?Wow really? Congratulations! I've never played with you before so starting in a SK bastard was spooky.
You sure killed a lot of people though. When IcyTea came up dead too I was 50/50 on you working with Jim immediately. Funny enough your cooperation would come right afterwards.
One thing that became clear to me while looking back through the posts is that I was a massive hypocrite. Killing LuckyOwl and then telling everyone to stop doing wanton murder was comedy gold. In spite of that, I genuinely did play an important role in keeping the peace. I wanted to represent that in the poster somehow.*kills Tricmagic*
Don't kill me guys it was justified!
*kills IcyTea*
We need to work together!
*kills Luckyowl*
No more killing!
Highest kill count, and you survived! A murdering wordsmith at work.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 22, 2020, 10:58:18 am
For Meph
I was surprised to learn that you didn't intentionally place the spaceship repair ad to clue us into the fact that we could try to use it to escape and likewise interact with the world. Did you have any escape possibility in mind initially or did you just make a world a try to see what your crazy players would come up with?
Building off of that first question, how did you expect this to play out? Did you expect us to escape together? Did you expect us to play to the last man? Which people did you think were most likely to win? Were you expecting us to annihilate each other and leave no victor behind?
I just made a world and was open to what people wanted to do. I fully expected someone to contact the outside world, but was more thinking along the lines of the bounty hunter contact than the repair station. But I found Jim calling the repair station to be a brilliant idea!
Well, like Toonyman points out, I kinda expected way more people to die Night 1 when I first set it up. I honestly expected at least one plasma bomb to go off! But people were very anti-killing that first day, so I was reevaluating. I was even prepared to launch the Day 2 rules changes Day 1 if it looked like a suicide-pact was going to happen.
Beyond that, I wasn't sure what would happen starting day 2. I certainly expected some people to work out that they had more options, given that it was a bastard. So things like Web wiring up a plasma bomb to the life support wasn't too surprising. I expected more traps and the like, and less concentrated 'we need to get out of here'. I also expected at least one or two people to go hard on the stated win condition.
What actually happened was fascinating!
Post by: RoseHeart on December 22, 2020, 11:20:07 am
What actually happened was fascinating!Indeed.
Post by: Mephansteras on December 22, 2020, 11:25:58 am
So, bonus for everyone, you now know a bit of what it's like being in a D&D game of mine! (Without the PvP part, anyway. That's all Mafia.)
Post by: TricMagic on December 22, 2020, 11:30:15 am
Post by: Caz on December 22, 2020, 12:02:05 pm
The Monitor
(1470) Legendary Exterminator (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225075#msg8225075): (1470) Jim Groovester
(500) Ignored Ghost (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225071#msg8225071): (500) ToonyMan
(200) Sponsors Investigate (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8224922#msg8224922): (200) TricMagic
(200) Revenge Mob (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225815#msg8225815): (200) heydude6
• 1 scene request per player.
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Epilogue bidding phase will go until ~Wednesday at 5pm PST!
I bid rollerskates for 100
Post by: webadict on December 22, 2020, 12:24:57 pm
Basically, I only tried to break out because the game was unwinnable to play normally. Symmetry broke the possibility to win because everyone would assume I was nefarious and kill me. So, I had to win through unconventional wincon.
Post by: RoseHeart on December 22, 2020, 01:36:39 pm
Post by: webadict on December 22, 2020, 01:51:53 pm
I should remind/reiterate just for posterity (people seem to understand) that ALL bids will 'win', just the amount will relate to its' relative representation.I don't remember, but I think I have access to Jim's account. Can I use Jim's money to buy stuff?
Post by: RoseHeart on December 22, 2020, 04:35:19 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 22, 2020, 06:31:36 pm
I should remind/reiterate just for posterity (people seem to understand) that ALL bids will 'win', just the amount will relate to its' relative representation.I don't remember, but I think I have access to Jim's account. Can I use Jim's money to buy stuff?
Hmm. No, I don't think so. He gave you the passcode to his communicator in case he died, but I don't think he just gave you access to account itself. So, not without getting his communicator off of him.
Also depends on whether or note roseheart is taking the money as soon as it is pledged or if the pledge is a promise.
If he's taking it as soon as it is pledged, then there is no more money for you to use to buy stuff with.
Post by: RoseHeart on December 23, 2020, 04:06:16 am
Post by: RoseHeart on December 23, 2020, 02:25:17 pm
(1470) Legendary Exterminator (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225075#msg8225075): (1470) Jim Groovester
(500) Ignored Ghost (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225071#msg8225071): (500) ToonyMan
(200) Sponsors Investigate (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8224922#msg8224922): (200) TricMagic
(200) Revenge Mob (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225815#msg8225815): (200) heydude6
(100) Rollerskates (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177519.msg8225864#msg8225864): (100) Caz
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Epilogue bidding phase ends today, in ~5.5 hours!
Post by: ToonyMan on December 23, 2020, 07:57:12 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 23, 2020, 08:06:06 pm
(1470) Legendary Exterminator: (1470) Jim Groovester
(500) [Secret Bid (Component) #3] Ignored Ghost: (500) ToonyMan
(200) Sponsors Investigate: (200) TricMagic
(200) Revenge Mob: (200) heydude6
(100) [Secret Bid #1] Poltergeist Gaiden: (100) webadict
(100) [Secret Bid #2] Urban Panel: (100) IcyTea31
(100) Rollerskates: (100) Caz
Final Bid List is now in place. No changes to the bids will be accepted after this point.
(Also locking the thread at roseheart's request)
Post by: ToonyMan on February 28, 2021, 11:23:44 pm
Spoiler: Legendary Exterminator (click to show/hide)
Post by: heydude6 on February 28, 2021, 11:35:21 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 28, 2021, 11:50:26 pm
I noticed the thread got unlocked so I'm going to post my own fan art.Spoiler: Legendary Exterminator (click to show/hide)
It's like you want me to bring Sigma back.
(The Greek letter is facing the wrong way but otherwise I love it.)
Since the thread is unlocked now I might go post all the remaining PMs I have from the game. I had them ready to go but since I'm not as smart as I think I am I stored them in a browser window and Windows 10 likes forcibly restarting your computer.
Post by: Mephansteras on March 01, 2021, 12:01:18 am
Should roseheart finish their work, he can post it. If not, it was a bonus anyway.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 01, 2021, 12:02:02 am
(The Greek letter is facing the wrong way but otherwise I love it.)Derp. It's like I never used Riemann sums out of school...
Since the thread is unlocked now I might go post all the remaining PMs I have from the game. I had them ready to go but since I'm not as smart as I think I am I stored them in a browser window and Windows 10 likes forcibly restarting your computer.That would be cool.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 01, 2021, 02:48:58 am
Yeah, I figured I'd let people talk about the game.
Should roseheart finish their work, he can post it. If not, it was a bonus anyway.
I paid good fake mafia money for that!
We'll have to write an epilogue about how the artist commissioned to commemorate the events got the last laugh by making off with everybody's money.
Spoiler: Truce Phase 3 Part 1 - Jim hacks open the C&C room and finds the Hangar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 01, 2021, 02:49:58 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 01, 2021, 02:50:14 am
Spoiler: Hunt Phase 3 - Jim gets ready to assault the Hangar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on March 01, 2021, 03:43:04 pm
Caz to Ghosts: "Hello, is this the helpline?"
Webadict to Caz: "Sure Caz, why not. You could certainly use it."
What Caz hears: "Sur...z...w...y...ot....ou...uld...cer...nly...se...t"
Caz' response: Surzywotset to you too, ghosts.
(Which I can only hear said with a scottish accent)
Post by: Caz on March 01, 2021, 03:46:41 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 01, 2021, 03:50:15 pm
Me chatting with webadict and thinking I'd found a way to ensure someone I trusted got my stuff.What's the reason for the money and the Stun Bomb? Shouldn't you give them to Jim Groovester?As little as I trust Toonyman not to do something stupid, I trust whichever rando has Jim as a target not to shoot him even less. Unless someone sells a large item today we can't get enough money for a replicator and it's too dangerous for me to hold onto the money with Caz having a bounty on me and possibly an anti-tech field.
Lolme.
Post by: RoseHeart on March 14, 2021, 06:15:52 pm
As Meph knows, mine is mostly done. When this thread locked it was Dec 23, just before Christmas. When I didn't have it done by Christmas, or New Years, or a couple weeks later, it seemed less and less timely and relevant.
Meph even prepared some writing for it I believe...
Post by: heydude6 on March 14, 2021, 06:29:57 pm
so I know about the kinds of challenges you're going through. It really hurts when you aren't able to finish it, but if you're as close as you say you are, then it might be worth putting in the last bit of effort. Then again, we all know about the Pareto principle. That last 20% can be quite the bitch.
I wouldn't mind seeing the abandoned draft though.
Post by: Caz on March 14, 2021, 06:30:44 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 14, 2021, 06:32:07 pm
ToonyMan's is pretty great. You probably don't want to see my silly old thing.
I paid good fake mafia money for that!
Post by: RoseHeart on March 14, 2021, 06:49:40 pm
so I know about the kinds of challenges you're going through. It really hurts when you aren't able to finish it, but if you're as close as you say you are, then it might be worth putting in the last bit of effort. Then again, we all know about the Pareto principle. That last 20% can be quite the bitch.True.
True.I paid good fake mafia money for that!
Post by: RoseHeart on March 14, 2021, 07:02:44 pm
I actually was inspired to make a kind of 'spiritual succesor'* game called Voyage: Space Odyssey (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178057.0), I am currently cohosting episode 2 now with Meph, so I'm sure we'll get the opportunity to discuss it.
We'll see what happens!
*art, space, teamwork
Post by: RoseHeart on March 14, 2021, 11:18:02 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 15, 2021, 01:09:42 am
Post by: RoseHeart on March 15, 2021, 01:26:23 am
Post by: RoseHeart on March 22, 2021, 07:06:32 am
If you don't expect you'll finish it then you should admit it to yourself and everybody else and say so.
Typing this with the biggest migraine on the left side of my brain in my entire life. Not sure what I was thinking, trying to do this now, plus moving, hosting a game, and planning another one. I guess I better let this one go and take the 'L'. Was genuinely passionate about it, but I need to be kinder and not stack so much stress.
Edit: I just couldn't post something without all the pieces fitting together just right, but I've passed what I have off to Meph. Thanks for having me.
Post by: Mephansteras on March 23, 2021, 01:33:08 pm
Post by: RoseHeart on June 14, 2021, 10:55:01 pm
Stealth Edit: This morning I had something simple prepared, but, with their approval I passed this responsibility off to Meph! :) I'll ask you to wait a little (couple days) longer.
Post by: Mephansteras on February 25, 2022, 02:22:19 pm
Hello, and welcome again to Rhomboid Reveals!
I am your host, Rickatak Rhomboid, and we have a special show in store for you tonight!
Last year, the entire quadrant was held in thrall of the Exterminator Battle Royale. There was excitement, betrayal, anguish, and a band of plucky killers-for-hire that banded together to break the system!
But what happened after the show ended? Where did the survivors end up? And were tales of psychic ghosts haunting the station true?
Stay tuned as we try to get to the bottom of it all!
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Obviously, the corporation that staged all of this wasn't too happy with the outcome. Sure, the show made cuckoo KOR with all those people glued to their vids every night, but that whole escape bit? Never supposed to happen!
Our sources say that there was a thorough investigation afterwards. How could the supposedly secure station be escaped so easily? Why were the security forces not better prepared?
The answer? Nepotism and corruption, in a nutshell. Turns out the entire security detail was owned by the brother-in-law of one the main organizers. And it was a security corporation with a string of failures and botched operations going back almost a decade.
And given the strange reports of multiple ships launching and leaving the impound without even having pilots on board? Well, it's a pretty safe bet that the corruption goes pretty deep.
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Evidence of the Corruption goes even further than that. We got our hands on this:
(https://i.imgur.com/TCNbzYM.png)
Evidence that someone was messing with funds controlled by the various Exterminators. Look, all of it going into one account for a dead participant?
Seems like something fishy was going on there. But our sources did indicate that "the error" was caught and corrected before everything finished up.
My guess? Someone not in on that take caught wind and spoiled the con!
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That's not all! Apparently there was corruption going on during the show!
We've gotten evidence that the camera operator, roseheart, was collaborating and in contact with the various Exterminators throughout the show. And taking bribes for who got to feature most prominently in the promotional material!
You all remember this thing, right? Couldn't hide in an asteroid belt without running across it for a few weeks there.
(https://sig.grumpybumpers.com/host/StarPhantom.gif)
Anyway, all that weird stuff in there? Yeah. Paid for by the Exterminators!
Can you get any more shady than that?
Oh, and they did that photo shoot on the Station itself, weeks after all this went down! Yeah. You know, after the station was supposed to have been locked down and in the middle of a full investigation!
Gotta wonder how many KOR greased palms to get that to happen.
Seems that not all is well with our erstwhile Exterminators, though. According to our sources, Heydude6 turned on Jim during the photoshoot. Apparently upset about Jim trying to take all the credit in stories about the escape or something. Bet that was a sight to see! Sadly, there's no footage available of that debacle. Seems like Jim made it out alive, though.
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In our next section, we tackle a rumor that just refuses to die. That's right, ghosts on the station!
As many of you are aware, there were some very suspicious things going on during the event. Exterminators claiming to talk to their dead comrades and even some video clips that hint of unexplainable things happening during the raid on the hanger.
We talk now with Crugenan, who was part of the clean-up crew on the station.
(The host turns to talk with an image of a Suvanon that shows up on one of the wall panels)
Host: Now, Crugenan, you say that you had some strange experiences while on the station after the event was over?
Crugenan: That's right! We had all sorts of strange things happen. Sections where you could feel a chill even through space suits. I swear one time I heard some sort of angry ranting that I couldn't quite make out. We all had stories like that. No one felt right working on that station.
Host: Fascinating! Any actual appearances by the ghosts?
Crugenan: Well, I didn't see anything. But one of the other cleaners did. She said she was looking at one of those posters and the whole thing just kinda...shifted...and there was this skull staring back at her! I don't think she was lying about it, either, her spines stood up just talking about it! But when the rest of us went to look at it the skull was gone.
Host: Quite the fright, I'm sure. What do you think happened to those ghosts, anyway? Think they're all still haunting that station?
Crugenan: Uh. Well. Uh. I'm kinda worried they followed us out. I still have strange things happen around me sometimes. Stuff I can't explain.
HostLike what?
Crugenan: Well, this one time <fffffzt>the screen goes dark for a moment
Host: Huh. Strange. Their signal seems to have cut out. We must be having some technical issues. We'll be back after these messages from our sponsors!
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Well that just about wraps up our show for the evening.
It's no surprise that a show that crazy had a lot going on under the surface, but who could have expected there to be quite so much under the surface??
Ghosts? Right? I'm telling you, this universe gets weirder all the time.
I am Rickatak Rhomboid and thank you for watching Rhomboid Reveals!
Tune in next week when we delve into the strange and repulsive lives of Doppelgangers!!
And that's it! Should have wrapped this all up almost a year ago, but hopefully everyone will still find it entertaining.
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 12, 2022, 11:06:01 pm
And that's it! Should have wrapped this all up almost a year ago, but hopefully everyone will still find it entertaining.
I should have said this several weeks ago, but I enjoyed the epilogue. Thanks, Meph!
Post by: Mephansteras on April 12, 2022, 11:26:39 pm
And that's it! Should have wrapped this all up almost a year ago, but hopefully everyone will still find it entertaining.
I should have said this several weeks ago, but I enjoyed the epilogue. Thanks, Meph!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Post by: RoseHeart on April 22, 2022, 07:00:21 pm
I'll ask you to wait a little (couple days) longer.Yep, couple days.