<snip>Someone needs to submit this post as their role.
Surely there are three more people wanting a BYOR somewhere.Flabort's HPBYOR2 just ended... so did Vengeful 11... and Local Emergency Mafia too...
Don't submit anything that would violate the forum rules and guidelines, or anything that would violate the Nevermore canon(I'm serious, thank you).I'd be potentially willing to bet it's this part. I, for one, have no idea what the fuck Nevermore is.
Heh.Thisssss. But in any case, almost everything won't interfere with the canon-
I suppose, in all my time of GMing and whatnot, I've never made a definitive explanation of the Nevermore setting.
I'll do so now.
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There was once a man named Null. He was an incredibly powerful mage with a sword that nullified every magic it touched except its own. Then he made a stupid mistake against a mage named Thrakor, causing him to trip on his feet... end result: he accidentally impaled himself with his own sword.
((I based the previous paragraph on the bay 12 forum game Perplexicon(the first one, by piecewise). Everything henceforth is my own invention.))
Null happened to have children, who were understandably angry about his death. Thrakor, after some time, eventually had a family of his own.
Fast forward a long, long time...
There are now two multiverse spanning families/magical mafia clans known as the Nevermores and the Forevermores, the Nevermores descended from Null, the Forevermores descended from Thrakor. The Nevermores are lead by the latest Null Nevermore, a madman with a penchant for deathmatch game shows and a collector of gods. The Forevermores are lead by the latest Thrakor, also known as Thrakor Prime, seeing as all Forevermores have taken the first name Thrakor.
The feud between the families isn't over yet.
~~~
That's the basic idea.
A few hours later, 9 Manifestations were drawn from the multiverse...If you could get it from the multiverse, it probably won't be a problem. Yes, Shakeragian roles are a valid option.
The FBYOR Role That Violates Nevermore Canon?*golf clap*
InOh, hey Wozzy!
InOh, hey Wozzy!
InWonderful. Although if this your first time playing forum mafia, you might want to play something like a Beginner's Mafia instead so you can get the hang of it easier. And even if this isn't your first time playing forum mafia, you might want to play a Beginner's Mafia anyway so you can experience firsthand how we do it here.
Is this still a thing that might actually happen?Oh yes. Yes, it is a thing. Thank you.
That's not the point. If you personally didn't want someone in a game you're modding, fine. Making a poll on whether we'll deign to let him play the game with us is a shitty thing to do.Aye.
I don't understand the format of what I would need to submit to play thisSimple enough. Basically: a name, of a role. There are other options, but that's the basic idea.
I'm definitely still going to run this.This is my answer to your second question.
Even though it's taking a rather long time to get players...
even though my (potential)co-mod is still an escaped lunatic and her last post was on march the first...
even though this is going to be my first mafia game...
FallacyofUrist is filled with DETERMINATION by thinking of the awesomeness that is to come.
I'm definitely still going to run this.
If you need a hand running this, I can do it.I can work as co-mod if we're not missing anyone else. :P
Bear in mind I have no mod experience, though...
Tea, have you submitted a PM with an idea of your role to Fallacy? I've done a recount and I think there was a skip somewhere?Tea never actually went in...
Fallacy, I recommend sending him a PM requesting confirmation. Makes sure he'll notice this when he's back.Thanks for the tip. Doing so right now.
((On your screen, look at the very top right of this page. You should find a little clock. If it's the same for everybody, I think I'll be using it to keep time. If it's not the same for everybody, I'm going to do some time zones work.))It is automatically set at default time--not-your-timezone :P So yes. Unless people edited it to mimic theirs...converted to the forum time.
Who volunteers to poke the BOOK of DOOOOOOM?How pertinent is this idea to your current goal?
VoteAlso yes.
FoS
right?
Vote BOOK of DOOOOOOMAre you doing this to stimulate conversation, or avoid questioning others?
Call it bibliophobia, but I don't trust a talking book.
Claiming up: I've an ability that...extends the day.Again? How is it that you always seem to end up with an ability like that?
((On your screen, look at the very top right of this page. You should find a little clock. If it's the same for everybody, I think I'll be using it to keep time. If it's not the same for everybody, I'm going to do some time zones work.))Fallacy: While the forum has a default time zone, some players may have adjusted their settings to fit their own time.
Vote BOOK of DOOOOOOMAre you doing this to stimulate conversation, or avoid questioning others?
Call it bibliophobia, but I don't trust a talking book.
Query to you two: Do you have questions to ask other people at this stage of the game? I do--they come tomorrow :P GMT+8!
Vote BOOK of DOOOOOOMInvalid vote.
Also Fallacy:Day end on 8:45 AM or PM?A.M.
Hm. Noted. The "default time zone clock" should still be viewable by anyone who wants to, right?((On your screen, look at the very top right of this page. You should find a little clock. If it's the same for everybody, I think I'll be using it to keep time. If it's not the same for everybody, I'm going to do some time zones work.))Fallacy: While the forum has a default time zone, some players may have adjusted their settings to fit their own time.
@Jack A T- do you also go by the alias of JackWest?Wozzy: Never heard of him.
Hm. Noted. The "default time zone clock" should still be viewable by anyone who wants to, right?Fallacy: Only if they change their settings back.
So the book of doom is not a player?"Correctomundo! Which means that I can torment you all I like! HAHA!"
Hm. Which might be an inconvenience.Hm. Noted. The "default time zone clock" should still be viewable by anyone who wants to, right?Fallacy: Only if they change their settings back.
@BlackHeartKabal- as the player who introduced me to this forum (I've never even played DF, so I wouldn't have found it otherwise), you have the unfortunate role of being the only player I actually do know the playstyle of. On a scale of 1 to Deathnote book, how out of this world is your role?My presence in the game will scale with RNG and time, and barring conversions, I likely won't be lying about what I can do.
@4maskwolf- I was prodding the book for a reaction, but I didn't receive one. And how can you be positive it isn't a bastard game? Currently the only people who know it definitely isn't are...well, mafia.I just went back and read the OP, and boy would I have felt stupid if I was wrong. But nope, I'm not. I'm not sure what the protocol is wherever you are from re: bastard mods, but here on Bay12 it's considered proper to let your players know what they are in for when they join a game, and thus the fact that a game is bastard or semi-bastard is mentioned in the game description. So no, everyone in the game knows that it isn't a bastard mod game.
@BHK, just to clarify, you are saying that based on certain conditions, your abilities will become more interesting as the game goes on, right?My ability is static, it's just that it's extremely RNG based.
For those of you with the time zone stuff: Forum time is currently equivalent to Central time. I assume you can figure out anything you need from there.Wonderful. Thanks. I imagine this might be of help.
@BHK, just to clarify, you are saying that based on certain conditions, your abilities will become more interesting as the game goes on, right?My ability is static, it's just that it's extremely RNG based.
@BHK:Are you saying I should just be lynching myself now or something? I know I'm Town. If I rolled over and died it wouldn't help anybody but the Mafia.If you're town, then your team is larger. Your team is more powerful united. The mafia are an informed minority, and it's absurdly detrimental for one member of a duo mafia to die. Mafia typically have a stronger sense of self preservation since they kinda have to keep what numbers they have alive to win.
Objection.@BHK:Are you saying I should just be lynching myself now or something? I know I'm Town. If I rolled over and died it wouldn't help anybody but the Mafia.If you're town, then your team is larger. Your team is more powerful united. The mafia are an informed minority, and it's absurdly detrimental for one member of a duo mafia to die. Mafia typically have a stronger sense of self preservation since they kinda have to keep what numbers they have alive to win.
You see my point?
Which is exactly what I just said, but longer.Objection.@BHK:Are you saying I should just be lynching myself now or something? I know I'm Town. If I rolled over and died it wouldn't help anybody but the Mafia.If you're town, then your team is larger. Your team is more powerful united. The mafia are an informed minority, and it's absurdly detrimental for one member of a duo mafia to die. Mafia typically have a stronger sense of self preservation since they kinda have to keep what numbers they have alive to win.
You see my point?
While it is true that in the broader scheme of things the town has less to lose from a D1 mislynch than scum would from a D1 scum lynch, every townie should still have a strong sense of self-preservation, as each of them knows they are town and that they can only trust themselves. It is always better to lynch someone who could be scum, so every townie should push for someone who is not themselves to be lynched, as a general rule, and make a point to try and avoid being lynched. If you don't try to avoid a lynch, you're being a detriment to the town.
4mask:Why are you jumping on me for answering someone's question?Apparently, a simple correction isn't enough. You needed to reiterate your point and jab back at 4mask. A FoS in RVS based on an error becomes aggressively "jumping on [you]". Interesting.
For that matter, if you've seen me playing Mafia, you should know I tend towards lots of small posts like those.
@BHK:Are you saying I should just be lynching myself now or something? I know I'm Town. If I rolled over and died it wouldn't help anybody but the Mafia.FoS him and escalate. Another twitchy jab, although a justified one, at someone who challenged you. Meh.
Deus Asmoth and notquitethere- do you have anything to contribute, or are you just trying to stay off the radar?Oops, was expecting a PM to tell me the game had started and hadn't checked the forum. I'm definitely on the radar.
BHK, what are your rationales for claiming what you have claimed?If RNG decides not to play nicely with me, you have this early claim so in case my actions don't turn out well, I have actual justification from the first day.
BHK, do you want NQT specifically to make some kind of claim or do you think it'd be a good idea for everyone to claim today?I believe that it's only fair that NQT give me his reasons for not claiming if he wants my reasons for claiming.
If RNG decides not to play nicely with me, you have this early claim so in case my actions don't turn out well, I have actual justification from the first day.If the RNG doesn't work out, is this going to end badly for town?
NQT - What's your rationale for not claiming?Telling scum my role would help them more than it would help town right now.
Again? How is it that you always seem to end up with an ability like that?Is this the sort of thing you think Tiruin would be likely to fakeclaim?
4maskNot particularly, I just remember what happened the last time she has an ability that messed with day length and she kept the day going like three extra RL days.Again? How is it that you always seem to end up with an ability like that?Is this the sort of thing you think Tiruin would be likely to fakeclaim?
Jack, did you change the title on reply 71 yourself?Deus: No. I quoted a post by that title.
Tiruin, please ask Jack a question.NQT: Why her and why me? I have a feeling I know why, but I want to confirm.
Yes, I use rhetorical exaggeration for argument, so... What?TheBiggerFish: It's not that rhetorical exaggeration is bad. It's that in this case, your over-the-top rhetoric helped show how nervous that FoS made you. It is part of a collection of evidence indicating you were quite perturbed by an error-based early D1 FoS. That you could even speak of rolling over and dying in the face of that, even with your predilection towards overstatement, says something.
Like, seriously, what exactly is wrong with that?
I did not think he had realized that I was answering Wozzy. That's why I asked it....I'll ask again, because you didn't answer: why did you take the "jumping on me for answering someone's question" tack?
In general:Yes, I may be overreacting to FoSs, probably because I really haven't had that much chance to calibrate just how suspicious the people in this game are when they use it. It could mean, y'know, 'I'm going to vote you if you say anything wrong' or 'That's interesting in a bad way' and I don't know which.Like all things in mafia, it's contextual and varied. FoSes are almost always below votes in suspicion level, though. In the start of D1, that's an incredibly low bar.
Yes, I was quite perturbed, the guy was arguing from false pretenses.Yes, I use rhetorical exaggeration for argument, so... What?TheBiggerFish: It's not that rhetorical exaggeration is bad. It's that in this case, your over-the-top rhetoric helped show how nervous that FoS made you. It is part of a collection of evidence indicating you were quite perturbed by an error-based early D1 FoS. That you could even speak of rolling over and dying in the face of that, even with your predilection towards overstatement, says something.
Like, seriously, what exactly is wrong with that?
Right now, I'm trying to figure out whether this is the nervousness of scum worried about being caught/unnerved by someone seeming slightly on to them, or the nervousness of somewhat inexperienced town under suspicion.I did not think he had realized that I was answering Wozzy. That's why I asked it....I'll ask again, because you didn't answer: why did you take the "jumping on me for answering someone's question" tack?In general:Yes, I may be overreacting to FoSs, probably because I really haven't had that much chance to calibrate just how suspicious the people in this game are when they use it. It could mean, y'know, 'I'm going to vote you if you say anything wrong' or 'That's interesting in a bad way' and I don't know which.Like all things in mafia, it's contextual and varied. FoSes are almost always below votes in suspicion level, though. In the start of D1, that's an incredibly low bar.
BHK1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role, but RNG still has a paramount presence in what I do.If RNG decides not to play nicely with me, you have this early claim so in case my actions don't turn out well, I have actual justification from the first day.If the RNG doesn't work out, is this going to end badly for town?NQT - What's your rationale for not claiming?Telling scum my role would help them more than it would help town right now.
Extend.
BHK: When you asked NQT for his reasons for not claiming, did you expect a general strategic answer (like the one you got), one more specifically tied to his perceptions of his role, or something else?
My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad. Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack. My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.TheBiggerFish: True, it was not a direct response to the FoS. I never represented it as such. It was a statement in response to a question about your response to the FoS, and was part of a justification of your response to the FoS, being used as a ridiculous alternative to your actual approach. Why exactly should I not read that statement in that context as counterposed to your response to the FoS?
Because I was already on that tack with my first post and it felt like a reasonable argument to make.Just to be clear, correcting his belief that you had just been confirming how to vote for no good reason put you on tack to jab at 4mask for "jumping on [you] for answering someone's question"? And you believed that he was just making a mistake and not, in fact, challenging your decision to answer a question?
And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me. Wow. I'm losing my touch.Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?
But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack. My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad. Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
...Okay, look. I can't keep track of what you're saying it's got so many layers to it, so I definitely can't answer it. Can you rephrase it with about five less subjects?But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack. My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.TheBiggerFish: True, it was not a direct response to the FoS. I never represented it as such. It was a statement in response to a question about your response to the FoS, and was part of a justification of your response to the FoS, being used as a ridiculous alternative to your actual approach. Why exactly should I not read that statement in that context as counterposed to your response to the FoS?Because I was already on that tack with my first post and it felt like a reasonable argument to make.Just to be clear, correcting his belief that you had just been confirming how to vote for no good reason put you on tack to jab at 4mask for "jumping on [you] for answering someone's question"? And you believed that he was just making a mistake and not, in fact, challenging your decision to answer a question?
BHKI'm going to go with 'maybe'. In the right circumstances, it can be amazingly useful. There aren't any of those yet. And I doubt there will be.And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me. Wow. I'm losing my touch.Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?
But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack. My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad. Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
...Okay, look. I can't keep track of what you're saying it's got so many layers to it, so I definitely can't answer it. Can you rephrase it with about five less subjects?TBF: Apologies. Let's try this again.
Yes, it did.Alright. One more question: seeing that you believed 4mask was completely unaware of the question, did you believe that he was "jumping on [you] for answering someone's question"?
False, it was a general statement about self-preservation. Certainly, evoked by my response to the FoS, but no.TheBiggerFish: Wow. Let's look back at BHK's very-much-a-question again, as you said you did:
TBF - Why such a strong sense of self preservation?You would agree that this is a question, yes? And that there's no actions BHK could have been asking about other than your response to the FoS, yes?
Day 1 will end in 72 hours. That is, at 8:45 on June 3. Forum time....That time.
Day Extended, then....Aw fish. I should've read earlier but now I sent the PM :I
"Wonderful! More time to talk!"
24 hours added, then stretched because weekend: Day 1 will now end 5:30 P.M. June 4th. Central/Forum time.
((Edit: But wait... deadlines approach at half time during weekends. So 8 hours 45 min times two...))
Tiruin, please ask Jack a question.YOU WANT ME TO ASK HIM A QUESTION DON'T YOU?! :I
BHKThe wording has some sort of...peculiarity with me. Peculiar in a way that says "He could've ended it at 'end badly' but now there's an intensifier of some sort that says 'for town'. What's the purpose of asking those two words?If RNG decides not to play nicely with me, you have this early claim so in case my actions don't turn out well, I have actual justification from the first day.If the RNG doesn't work out, is this going to end badly for town?
@BlackHeartKabal- as the player who introduced me to this forum (I've never even played DF, so I wouldn't have found it otherwise), you have the unfortunate role of being the only player I actually do know the playstyle of. On a scale of 1 to Deathnote book, how out of this world is your role?Welcome to the forums! :3
Personally, I'm not too good at the Day 1 "grilling" part. I prefer having references to voting patterns and claims, and trying to activly piece together who-done-what during the night phases. Not having a N0 means I can't do much D1.N0 is usually uncommon here in that it needs an announcement since the common always starts at D1. The rest mentioned here are pretty normal for many mafia games--so query to you!
BHKWhy are you asking this?And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me. Wow. I'm losing my touch.Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?
But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack. My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad. Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
I'm also going to assume that it's a connective-role-ability, meaning that it is connected to certain powers that only activate under certain conditions.Maybe.
Not particularly, I just remember what happened the last time she has an ability that messed with day length and she kept the day going like three extra RL days.She asked for that role last time (it was a BYOR). It's interesting that she'd ask for the same thing again.
NQT: Why her and why me? I have a feeling I know why, but I want to confirm.Tiruin had yet to address anyone specific and I thought it'd be a royal idea for her to talk to you.
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role, but RNG still has a paramount presence in what I do.In that case, I hope that if you're telling the truth about this that you'll exercise restraint and cool-headed judgement. But it does look like you could be setting up a fakeclaim for a randomised kill power for when someone catches you killing town.
2 - And painting a target on your back with that statement isn't the same as an outright claim? I don't see why you would put it in such an obvious way.Now let's imagine I did paint a target on my back as town. I'm sure we can all think of good town reasons for doing that. But what would the town reasons be for pointing out to everyone that I'm painting a target on my back?
NQT: Hai! I notice you're pretty astute this game.You'd yet to speak to anyone specific. I was curious what you'd say to anyone. Jack was just one jewel of many on the crown, as it were.
Why is your mention of me--inclusive with a vote, for some reason--only asking me to talk to Jack? I understand it's a precise way to get to know my reaction, but how does that help you?
Seriously though, does your royal decree come with some associated mechanics you'd like to explain?NQT: No, though it does come with some associated mechanics that I would not like to explain.
BHK: Heya! :3If someone does that, then it's clear they suspect me, but I can generally (this is a key word) gauge the competence and amount of knowledge they have about me through the content of their nitpicking.
Question!
How do you find other people if they begin analytically picking through your posts; how do you see these certain personality characteristics, and how do you generally gauge someone scummy?
BHK1 - In hindsight, it absolutely does, doesn't it?1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role, but RNG still has a paramount presence in what I do.In that case, I hope that if you're telling the truth about this that you'll exercise restraint and cool-headed judgement. But it does look like you could be setting up a fakeclaim for a randomised kill power for when someone catches you killing town.2 - And painting a target on your back with that statement isn't the same as an outright claim? I don't see why you would put it in such an obvious way.Now let's imagine I did paint a target on my back as town. I'm sure we can all think of good town reasons for doing that. But what would the town reasons be for pointing out to everyone that I'm painting a target on my back?
*looks at the Queen of Canada business*I...don't know if it has any implications at all, however I'm choosing to believe in the simple ideas right now--non-malicious act. Because this game has no third-parties and stuff (and that that tiny picture of me and Canada with a flag made my day even if I just woke up and have only the time to write this down), I...quite like Jack's representation there.
Okay then. What even...
TiruinYeah, I do. :P Because before that, I did have a post saying I'm away but also will post later. I'm curious why you mentioned Jack, of all people though--maybe it's his mention of me earlier, but I'd like to know why you're mentioning him outright...as well as in a way that speaks of several terms related to monarchy, to speak.NQT: Hai! I notice you're pretty astute this game.You'd yet to speak to anyone specific. I was curious what you'd say to anyone. Jack was just one jewel of many on the crown, as it were.
Why is your mention of me--inclusive with a vote, for some reason--only asking me to talk to Jack? I understand it's a precise way to get to know my reaction, but how does that help you?
Are you satisfied with Jack's response?
Cue several mandates created by your ability, in your connection to this creation of attributed monarchy.Seriously though, does your royal decree come with some associated mechanics you'd like to explain?NQT: No, though it does come with some associated mechanics that I would not like to explain.
(and that that tiny picture of me and Canada with a flag made my day even if I just woke up and have only the time to write this down)Tiruin: Not quite you and Canada with a flag. You as the literal head of the state with a flag.
I believe your ability, given you chose Random.org, is gender neutral in its idea. Am I correct?The title, no matter who I handed it to, would have been Queen of Canada. It could have been given to a man, though.
And...maybe. Time shall tell about my...Queenly satisfactions. *ahem* Jack has performed in a way that I, along with the PM I received, can make a very specific note about him.And what is that note, exactly?
Simple things, actually ._. Just something to add to my leads and stuff. Along with what I can infer from my new role.And...maybe. Time shall tell about my...Queenly satisfactions. *ahem* Jack has performed in a way that I, along with the PM I received, can make a very specific note about him.And what is that note, exactly?
Your thought process seems a bit odd to me then. Why bring up the importance of preserving useful roles as relevant to you wanting to stay alive if you think your role is unlikely to be useful?BHKI'm going to go with 'maybe'. In the right circumstances, it can be amazingly useful. There aren't any of those yet. And I doubt there will be.And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me. Wow. I'm losing my touch.Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?
But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack. My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad. Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
2 - You had better have great ability to gauge the importance of your role, because it looks like you're preparing to carry the town a bit, and want to attract the attention of protective roles. You might also be asking me to point out that mafia wouldn't put a target on their backs, but that gets into WIFOM territory.Where'd all this come from?
Continuing after two, if you're planning to start leading the town's efforts, how are we aware that you're town? Why would we be inclined to trust you?
BHKInterpretation.2 - You had better have great ability to gauge the importance of your role, because it looks like you're preparing to carry the town a bit, and want to attract the attention of protective roles. You might also be asking me to point out that mafia wouldn't put a target on their backs, but that gets into WIFOM territory.Where'd all this come from?
Continuing after two, if you're planning to start leading the town's efforts, how are we aware that you're town? Why would we be inclined to trust you?
Oh, and TBF, how's the reconsideration going?Of what?
Like I said. Apparently I'm really terrible at remembering things today. Or it could be that I'm playing Mafia at 12:04 AM.TBF: You forgot this. Unvote: scum is generally careful. You're not.
I'll come back to this once I've slept.
Can I maybe sub in? I'm out of practice, but I remember mafia being a blast.Certainly.
Hang on, didn't Tiruin extend the day even more?They did, that's why it didn't end over the weekend
Tiru's a she, now everyone hush the day already ended.Hang on, didn't Tiruin extend the day even more?he did, that's why it didn't end over the weekend
Real post coming eventually, but If anyone has past questions that they'd like me to answer, let me know. Also NQT, why so suspicious?Are you really asking me why I am suspicious of others in a game of mafia?
Of Turiun? Yes, I really am asking. Are you really not going to answer?Real post coming eventually, but If anyone has past questions that they'd like me to answer, let me know. Also NQT, why so suspicious?Are you really asking me why I am suspicious of others in a game of mafia?
griffinpup[/b]: Thoughts on the following:1. I want to know what the Queen of Canada does. It sounds awesome. Or lame. I expect some people will come out with info regarding that and others, but I don't have any information on Queen of Canada personally.
*The Queen of Canada stuff
*The three sort-of-lynch-candidates
*The 4mask/BHK/TBF/I discussion yesterday
2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously. Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive. BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired. That's pretty suspicious. Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch targetWhat incentive would I have to do so on day one? Why wouldn't I do so if I'm completely aware that my action is RNG based? The best I can do is warn the town beforehand so I don't end up dead over a potentially better suspect because I wanted to neglect to tell the town potentially important information to save my own hide later on. There is no benefit to keeping things to myself.
Oh come. You also admitted that you had significant control of what happens as well. and the reason is to not put a target on your back, and therefore get killed anyways. Of course, mafia doesn't have that concern.2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously. Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive. BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired. That's pretty suspicious. Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch targetWhat incentive would I have to do so on day one? Why wouldn't I do so if I'm completely aware that my action is RNG based? The best I can do is warn the town beforehand so I don't end up dead over a potentially better suspect because I wanted to neglect to tell the town potentially important information to save my own hide later on. There is no benefit to keeping things to myself.
-snipDo you point the gun or do you pull the trigger?
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role
-snip
1 - I have control over the sequence of what happens, not what actually happens. And attention isn't selective, if I'm attracting attention, the town is going to notice just as fast as the mafia.Oh come. You also admitted that you had significant control of what happens as well. and the reason is to not put a target on your back, and therefore get killed anyways. Of course, mafia doesn't have that concern.2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously. Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive. BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired. That's pretty suspicious. Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch targetWhat incentive would I have to do so on day one? Why wouldn't I do so if I'm completely aware that my action is RNG based? The best I can do is warn the town beforehand so I don't end up dead over a potentially better suspect because I wanted to neglect to tell the town potentially important information to save my own hide later on. There is no benefit to keeping things to myself.-snipDo you point the gun or do you pull the trigger?
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role
-snip
Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?Deus Asmoth: What was it that you were trying to learn through this question, and why?
NQT: Are you really reading griffinpup's question as if its context (an unexplained vote) doesn't exist?Real post coming eventually, but If anyone has past questions that they'd like me to answer, let me know. Also NQT, why so suspicious?Are you really asking me why I am suspicious of others in a game of mafia?
Counterpoint: My vote on NQT was more RVS than anything else.Of Turiun? Yes, I really am asking. Are you really not going to answer?Real post coming eventually, but If anyone has past questions that they'd like me to answer, let me know. Also NQT, why so suspicious?Are you really asking me why I am suspicious of others in a game of mafia?griffinpup[/b]: Thoughts on the following:1. I want to know what the Queen of Canada does. It sounds awesome. Or lame. I expect some people will come out with info regarding that and others, but I don't have any information on Queen of Canada personally.
*The Queen of Canada stuff
*The three sort-of-lynch-candidates
*The 4mask/BHK/TBF/I discussion yesterday
2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously. Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive. BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired. That's pretty suspicious. Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch target
3. TBF is twitchy, and did kinda hyper-react to a little bit of pressure. And I haven't played with TBF, but he seems needlessly overreactive... To everything. Not if scum trait or just different then what I'm used too. If you've played with him, what do you think?
So yesterday was awful.NQT: Why do you care? :3 Also why so specific? This is very interesting because I am interested in your interests in me.
We should all be ashamed of ourselves.
Now everyone has some actual information though, I expect a much keener D2.
Tiruin who were you targeting last night?
Everyone: Quick question: Did anyone end up in Canadian jail last night?I built a jail?
This seems...pointy.-snipDo you point the gun or do you pull the trigger?
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role
-snip
Well, this is interesting.I'd enjoy having my name bolded :P It's customary in this forum Mafia games to bold people's names. It's like that vague 'said' in novels as an indicator, so you know this person is being referenced, said the Queen of Canada.
I'm going to ask the Queen of Canada what they did last night.
I saw no mention of jail last night.There was no mention of jail at all. Soft claiming here? O_o
This seems...pointy.-snipDo you point the gun or do you pull the trigger?
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role
-snip
RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.@_@
The Empress. The High Priestess. Death.RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
What?The Empress. The High Priestess. Death.RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
It's judgement because I can't predict the effect of what I do at all, so I could end up crippling a town member or massively empowering a scum member, and not even realize it. So I have to choose who I target with that in mind.What?The Empress. The High Priestess. Death.RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
Turiun: I'm rusty. RVS? Oh, and BHK's excuse that he had to immediately claim was that so he wouldn't get in trouble if the RNG messed up... But he also admits that judgement plays a large role? This is why asking pointy questions is useful right now, because his almost cagey excuses might not add up.
...I just glanced at my notes pad and I'm getting the idea that you're some kind of tarot card dealer. :PThe Empress. The High Priestess. Death.RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
Yes....I just glanced at my notes pad and I'm getting the idea that you're some kind of tarot card dealer. :PThe Empress. The High Priestess. Death.RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
But really...it sounds a lot like soft-claiming on your part here. Any purpose to revealing info about yourself, in that manner, to...today?
...TIL Queen Elizabeth II is DEATH, also an Imperial member.
PFP
1. I want to know what the Queen of Canada does. It sounds awesome. Or lame. I expect some people will come out with info regarding that and others, but I don't have any information on Queen of Canada personally.griffinpup:
2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously. Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive. BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired. That's pretty suspicious. Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch target
3. TBF is twitchy, and did kinda hyper-react to a little bit of pressure. And I haven't played with TBF, but he seems needlessly overreactive... To everything. Not if scum trait or just different then what I'm used too. If you've played with him, what do you think?
...TIL Queen Elizabeth II is DEATH, also an Imperial member.Tiruin: But only as Queen of Canada. Not as Queen of the United Kingdom.
BHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
So, no deaths. A cult seems like it would be against the flavour of the game comsidering how much our host wants us to kill each other, so presumably we have some kind of doctor/bulletproof person.This seems really telling to me, as it's all from the perspective of someone that tried to kill but their target survived. You don't consider the scum being blocked or choosing not to kill and you dismiss a cult. Who did you try to kill so unsuccessfully, Deus?
Was ANYBODY not roleblocked? I feel like this happened to a LOT of people.
@Wozzy:Attempted to confirm BHK, but something roleblocked me.Explain both of these posts? What makes you think more people were roleblocked, and what do you mean by "confirming" me?
Everyone: Quick question: Did anyone end up in Canadian jail last night?No to your first question, I'll need to see more of Fish to your second. It's still interesting, but like anything it must be taken with the whole of a player's actions and not in a vacuum. That said, I'll get to fish in a moment.
4maskwolf: Way back, you said (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7027044#msg7027044) you found TBF's reference to you "jumping on him" piqued your curiousity. What do you think of it now?
TBF what did you do last night?I think the more important question here is "why do you want to know." I could understand if you asked "who did you target" or something similar, although even that's a bit iffy, but "what did you do last night" is too much to ask anyone D2. It's rolefishing, plain and simple, and won't actually accomplish anything for the town because the scum can easily lie this early on with as little information as we have.
4mask: same question
@Wozzy:Attempted to confirm BHK, but something roleblocked me.
Was ANYBODY not roleblocked? I feel like this happened to a LOT of people....TheBiggerFish
@4mask, It's not like I'm asking you what your role is. You could easily say "I visited x," or "I was roleblocked," or "I say on my hands and did nothing."mm... so what you're telling me is you asked an open-ended question that could be interpreted as a request for full details of the action taken and on whom, but you're only looking for basic information?
Because I was roleblocked in attempting to confirm what you've said about your ability, and there have been many complaints of roleblocking.Was ANYBODY not roleblocked? I feel like this happened to a LOT of people.@Wozzy:Attempted to confirm BHK, but something roleblocked me.Explain both of these posts? What makes you think more people were roleblocked, and what do you mean by "confirming" me?
Also, people, stop editing. You're not allowed to edit.This is completely true. Don't edit your posts in mafia. Ever. Unless it's some sort of bastard gameplay mechanic.
@griffinpup:It's also true. Although I can't prove it to you, which is the problem. I mean, I could prove it to myself but that wouldn't do anything.What are you talking about?
@griffinpup, how did I defend Deus? I gave my reason for being suspicious of him.
The Deus Asmoth thing seems to be reaching for me, but there is some merit in it.
Jack, did you throw me in Canadian Jail specifically or is it randomised?HOLY SHIT THIS ACTUALLY WORKED
Jack, how do you feel about my suspicions?Wozzy: They're a set. Can you give any examples of Tiruin avoiding questions? Also, what do you generally think of rolefishing, and why ask so much about roles and actions right now?
Was ANYBODY not roleblocked? I feel like this happened to a LOT of people.TBF: What gives you the impression of mass roleblocking, and how did you miss BHK's claimed action?
Deus Asmoth: What was it that you were trying to learn through this question, and why?
Your thought process seems a bit odd to me then. Why bring up the importance of preserving useful roles as relevant to you wanting to stay alive if you think your role is unlikely to be useful?BHKI'm going to go with 'maybe'. In the right circumstances, it can be amazingly useful. There aren't any of those yet. And I doubt there will be.And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me. Wow. I'm losing my touch.Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?
But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack. My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad. Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
Tiruin: ( ¡Hi! )
It seemed like something worth clarifying (as above) since otherwise it just felt like a hanging threat of 'don't lynch me or you'll regret it'. Do you disagree?
Deus AsmothWhy would I consider the scum choosing not to kill to be more likely than their kill being prevented? Does that seem more likely to you?So, no deaths. A cult seems like it would be against the flavour of the game comsidering how much our host wants us to kill each other, so presumably we have some kind of doctor/bulletproof person.This seems really telling to me, as it's all from the perspective of someone that tried to kill but their target survived. You don't consider the scum being blocked or choosing not to kill and you dismiss a cult. Who did you try to kill so unsuccessfully, Deus?
Everyone: To clarify: Did anyone end up in what's likely a Canadian jail as understood by their in-flavour character?If it means being Queen...maybe :P
Err, me being suspect #2 on a more empirical basis, compared to someone else on a more 'structure of language' basis seems strange. How did DA sound, in such a way that it became telling for you to shift your vote from me?
Tiruin, there was no kill last night. I learned that someone had blocked you. This makes you suspect #2.
But suspect #1 is:
Deus AsmothSo, no deaths. A cult seems like it would be against the flavour of the game comsidering how much our host wants us to kill each other, so presumably we have some kind of doctor/bulletproof person.This seems really telling to me, as it's all from the perspective of someone that tried to kill but their target survived. You don't consider the scum being blocked or choosing not to kill and you dismiss a cult. Who did you try to kill so unsuccessfully, Deus?
Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :PBHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
JACK: Well BHK's role is a little more outlined now, but it looked like he was a blindfolded guy running around with a shotgun and candy. If he is a blindfolded guy with a shotgun and candy, then he'd be the most costless town to lynch, and a useful mafia kill. He's apparently a little bit different then that, though, so keeping him around might be a good idea. I'm not undecided though.Dem words, yo.
Woozy: Why are you rolefishing?... To pretty much everyone in the game?? Except... Dues Asmoth... Who you also subtly defended...So FoS'ing me that I'm missing questions is rolefishing? :P
@Jack, see everything below.I like that you finally bolded my name :D
BHK looks suspicious, but, assuming Tiruin can confirm their results, I would be tempted to throw BHK into the town pile. An ability like that doesn't make sense for scum.
Tiruin seems to be avoiding most questions. This doesn't seem a good enough reason to vote her though, so I'm just gonna FoS. She also has the whole "trying to use her to confirm Jack/BHK thing, so I wouldn't vote her anyways. You got lucky :P
This part is interesting: Who told you Tiruin was roleblocked NQT (note: I may not have read this days chat right)? I guess another question is, did you get roleblocked by the jail?
So...rather than me speaking on behalf of him, it's more me following my leads on him in reading his response to you since this all happened before I post this post. :vWas ANYBODY not roleblocked? I feel like this happened to a LOT of people....TheBiggerFish
This sounds terribly much like a scum trying to weasel out of claiming their actions. Claiming an action that's unconfirmable or saying you were roleblocked, particularly when others have noted the presence of roleblocks and it is thus a legitimate cover, is a classic trick. These posts don't paint a very good picture when combined with your overreaction earlier to getting mildly poked.
Also, people, stop editing. You're not allowed to edit.Myuhh. I noticed Wozzy did that IN HIS POST BEFORE D1 END but then I was too tired to poke Fallacy, but then it kept happening but I didn't poke it in time. :v
Quick post right now for the key material. I'll answer questions next, after my tea.If I had that meme of a person expressing inner peace (what with the hands thing and the face thing), I'd be doing it to a personification of tea and the Queen here, because this post had me all Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
I think it's time for me to partially claim.
As I said yesterday, "I just handle the law." (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7031899#msg7031899) In fact, I am the law.
I am Canadian Criminal Code s. 49 (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-7.html#h-14), the crime of alarming the Queen. I have a day action that assigns the title of Queen of Canada to someone (Tiruin), a night action I won't reveal right now, and an auto. Once per phase (except LYLO day phases), if the Queen would be hammered or killed (which would surely alarm her), the hammerer or killer is instead thrown into Canadian Jail. Hammerers lose their vote for the rest of the day (but we never hammer here, so that's fine), and killers are blocked.
I had a hunch, when we woke up with no dead, that someone tried to kill Tiruin. On a lark, I decided to ask around to see if anyone was thrown into Canadian Jail.Jack, did you throw me in Canadian Jail specifically or is it randomised?HOLY SHIT THIS ACTUALLY WORKED
NQT, would you care to explain to us why you tried to kill Tiruin last night and then lied about it today?
Mhmm.Spoiler: My reaction to Jack's statement (click to show/hide)
griffin1. When is killing a mafia not useful?JACK: Well BHK's role is a little more outlined now, but it looked like he was a blindfolded guy running around with a shotgun and candy. If he is a blindfolded guy with a shotgun and candy, then he'd be the most costless town to lynch, and a useful mafia kill. He's apparently a little bit different then that, though, so keeping him around might be a good idea. I'm not undecided though.Dem words, yo.
What makes him a useful Mafia kill here?Woozy: Why are you rolefishing?... To pretty much everyone in the game?? Except... Dues Asmoth... Who you also subtly defended...So FoS'ing me that I'm missing questions is rolefishing? :P
This is more to humor your 'everyone' but I'm interested if you have the time.
BHKAlright, some more information. I draw a random three cards from my "deck" holding 11 Major Arcana Tarot Cards, and use them to read someone's fate, which gives different effects for the three nights after the reading, depending on the card I drew. For you I drew The Empress, The High Priestess, and Death, in that order. Due to The Empress's design, it's effect will take place on Night 3 alongside The High Priestess. I'm not stating the effects of the two until they take action. Death, however, if you are town, was a very bad card to draw. On Night 4, when Death kicks in, you will be immediately killed, bypassing all redirections, protections, or any other actions that could otherwise interfere with a kill and it's intended target. It is, however, not considered a kill action, for some reason. This is why I'm telling you to make the most of the time you have for the game.Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :PBHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?
How did I what now? I didn't miss their claimed action, I tried to confirm yesterday's claim that it was RNG-based before day started.TBF: BHK claimed earlier today (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039090#msg7039090) that he had hit Tiruin with some RNG-based tarot card thing. There was a whole big discussion about it and stuff.
Also, considering that it seems rather beyond doubt that NQT tried to kill Tiruin last night by their own admission, NQT.This is...huh? I mean, I agree from my POV, but huh? Do I look like a confirmed townie to you?
(1)@Jack:Yes, you do.TBF:
(2)Jack:There's been some inconsistency on this point:Is it one kill per person per phase, or one kill per phase that is blocked by Canadian Jail?
@griffinpup:Mafia kill is used to refer to the Mafia's nightkill. You were probably looking for 'scummy'. Although the possibility of a Freudian typo or something merits a FoS.My phrasing was non-specific. I'll agree with that. But... You could at least do me the courtesy of responding to my posts...Also griffinpup: Why and how are you able to be so specific with your assessment of BHK's role?Except you aren't. Ninjas.
@griffinpup:It's also true. Although I can't prove it to you, which is the problem. I mean, I could prove it to myself but that wouldn't do anything.What are you talking about?@griffinpup, how did I defend Deus? I gave my reason for being suspicious of him.The Deus Asmoth thing seems to be reaching for me, but there is some merit in it.
@Tiruin:Define "shotgun everyone with a protection" a bit?I can either use my ability once every cycle, or use its alternative (make that ability into a one-shot) to have it apply to everyone.
I want to know whether I should be worrying.
Does this mean you know what the effects are?BHKAlright, some more information. I draw a random three cards from my "deck" holding 11 Major Arcana Tarot Cards, and use them to read someone's fate, which gives different effects for the three nights after the reading, depending on the card I drew. For you I drew The Empress, The High Priestess, and Death, in that order. Due to The Empress's design, it's effect will take place on Night 3 alongside The High Priestess. I'm not stating the effects of the two until they take action. Death, however, if you are town, was a very bad card to draw. On Night 4, when Death kicks in, you will be immediately killed, bypassing all redirections, protections, or any other actions that could otherwise interfere with a kill and it's intended target. It is, however, not considered a kill action, for some reason. This is why I'm telling you to make the most of the time you have for the game.Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :PBHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?
I targeted you because you becoming queen and all that would naturally warrant an investigation due to the attention, and if you turned up mafia, we would remove you from the game before any beneficial card effects took place, which made you a safe target.
@Jack, again:Well. You don't really, you could be scumteam with Tiruin, but I doubt this for some reason. Possibly because I'm unused to Tiruin as possibly EEEEEEEEVVVVVVVIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL, but Tiruin ANNOUNCED their Queen-ness openly for no discernible benefit scumwise. It would have been much better to hide it if you got an auto that blocked a vigilante Townie murdercating you.♥ you too dude.
Per day, then reset for once per night? Or per cycle? I just answered my own question, nevermind.
Wait....Well if it's a hammer, I can't save people with my Timezones ability :I Harrumph!
BHK (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040678#msg7040678), Griffinpup (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7038607#msg7038607), TheBiggerFish (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040652#msg7040652), Tiruin (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039075#msg7039075), and I (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039754#msg7039754) are all voting for NQT.
Nobody's coming up in votecounts as a double-voter. 5 of 9 votes, a majority. We've got hammer.
FallacyofUrist: Please confirm whether BHK just hammered.
I am aware of every effect each card has. I do have a plan, if Fallacy tells me it works.Does this mean you know what the effects are?BHKAlright, some more information. I draw a random three cards from my "deck" holding 11 Major Arcana Tarot Cards, and use them to read someone's fate, which gives different effects for the three nights after the reading, depending on the card I drew. For you I drew The Empress, The High Priestess, and Death, in that order. Due to The Empress's design, it's effect will take place on Night 3 alongside The High Priestess. I'm not stating the effects of the two until they take action. Death, however, if you are town, was a very bad card to draw. On Night 4, when Death kicks in, you will be immediately killed, bypassing all redirections, protections, or any other actions that could otherwise interfere with a kill and it's intended target. It is, however, not considered a kill action, for some reason. This is why I'm telling you to make the most of the time you have for the game.Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :PBHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?
I targeted you because you becoming queen and all that would naturally warrant an investigation due to the attention, and if you turned up mafia, we would remove you from the game before any beneficial card effects took place, which made you a safe target.
Also welp. Guess that means I'm shotgunning everyone on N3. :v Since I already said it's a protect and scum know I'm a protector, either taking me out now or blocking me N3 shall be the plan. Unless you're scum, BHK--but that's possible both ways here.
...So, lead poisoning flavor? I know people can PM Fallacy for flavor requests (as I've done in my games :P)
I've double-checked the OP and it states nothing about not talking after a hammer (which makes sense given the secret hammer system), so I'll take the opportunity to do so.
1. I'm town and you're all bad people for lynching me.
2. I blocked Tiruin last night and was blocked myself.
3. Blocking actions can't be blocked in this game.
4. I'm immune to one night kill.
5. Deus Asmoth indicated that scum's target survived their kill attempt.
6. This makes me think that either Deus tried to kill me, or someone who was blocked (including Tiruin) was the killer.
Tiruin, there was no kill last night. I learned that someone had blocked you. This makes you suspect #2.If this is pretty much your suspicions, why is there a big leap of contrast here? "Suspect 1. Suspect 2." It's like there's a finality with how you check out your suspects because of your actions--and yet assuming kills.
But suspect #1 is:
Deus AsmothSo, no deaths. A cult seems like it would be against the flavour of the game comsidering how much our host wants us to kill each other, so presumably we have some kind of doctor/bulletproof person.This seems really telling to me, as it's all from the perspective of someone that tried to kill but their target survived. You don't consider the scum being blocked or choosing not to kill and you dismiss a cult. Who did you try to kill so unsuccessfully, Deus?
3. Blocking actions can't be blocked in this game.As far as I know, all roleblocks happen at the same time--so a roleblocker can be blocked. You blocking me does not conform to ALERTING THE QUEEN (it's just like a pedestrian in the way, they just delay the person while the Queen shows utmost respect to them and asks to move--she's delayed a bit but no pressure to her soul).
4. I'm immune to one night kill.
5. Deus Asmoth indicated that scum's target survived their kill attempt.
6. This makes me think that either Deus tried to kill me, or someone who was blocked (including Tiruin) was the killer.
Also as an aside, I still suspect you--albeit in a very interesting specimen kind of perception :IBHKAlright, some more information. I draw a random three cards from my "deck" holding 11 Major Arcana Tarot Cards, and use them to read someone's fate, which gives different effects for the three nights after the reading, depending on the card I drew. For you I drew The Empress, The High Priestess, and Death, in that order. Due to The Empress's design, it's effect will take place on Night 3 alongside The High Priestess. I'm not stating the effects of the two until they take action. Death, however, if you are town, was a very bad card to draw. On Night 4, when Death kicks in, you will be immediately killed, bypassing all redirections, protections, or any other actions that could otherwise interfere with a kill and it's intended target. It is, however, not considered a kill action, for some reason. This is why I'm telling you to make the most of the time you have for the game.Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :PBHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?
I targeted you because you becoming queen and all that would naturally warrant an investigation due to the attention, and if you turned up mafia, we would remove you from the game before any beneficial card effects took place, which made you a safe target.
This all goes to show that you shouldn't leap to conclusions and quickhammer someone before giving them time to explain and if town lose this it'll be your own damn fault.If that was the case--I'd ask BHK to state what his tarot cards actually do, because you're only working on open conclusions--or rather, those that acted.
I was being misleading about Canadian Jail (which is unfortunate as it seems to have led to my death). My flavour doesn't mention anything about Canada. I was trying to draw more info out by pretending to be successfully blocked. Dumb plan as it happens.And yet you do mention jail?
But it could have been that! My block kills if I use it on the same person two nights in a row. So it depends on the wording of his power/how Fallacy is implementing it.
I'm a dead man and town, there's no point me lying about any of this.
Because that's some precise wording.Jack, did you throw me in Canadian Jail specifically or is it randomised?
Per day, then reset for once per night? Or per cycle? I just answered my own question, nevermind.TBF: Per phase. Phase: one section of the cycle (one day is a phase, one night is a phase).
Guess not. Sorry, Tiruin. Night 4 it is.I am aware of every effect each card has. I do have a plan, if Fallacy tells me it works.Does this mean you know what the effects are?BHKAlright, some more information. I draw a random three cards from my "deck" holding 11 Major Arcana Tarot Cards, and use them to read someone's fate, which gives different effects for the three nights after the reading, depending on the card I drew. For you I drew The Empress, The High Priestess, and Death, in that order. Due to The Empress's design, it's effect will take place on Night 3 alongside The High Priestess. I'm not stating the effects of the two until they take action. Death, however, if you are town, was a very bad card to draw. On Night 4, when Death kicks in, you will be immediately killed, bypassing all redirections, protections, or any other actions that could otherwise interfere with a kill and it's intended target. It is, however, not considered a kill action, for some reason. This is why I'm telling you to make the most of the time you have for the game.Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :PBHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?
I targeted you because you becoming queen and all that would naturally warrant an investigation due to the attention, and if you turned up mafia, we would remove you from the game before any beneficial card effects took place, which made you a safe target.
Also welp. Guess that means I'm shotgunning everyone on N3. :v Since I already said it's a protect and scum know I'm a protector, either taking me out now or blocking me N3 shall be the plan. Unless you're scum, BHK--but that's possible both ways here.
...So, lead poisoning flavor? I know people can PM Fallacy for flavor requests (as I've done in my games :P)
I've double-checked the OP and it states nothing about not talking after a hammer (which makes sense given the secret hammer system), so I'll take the opportunity to do so.... okay, it's okay to talk until the day's closed.
BHK (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040678#msg7040678), Griffinpup (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7038607#msg7038607), TheBiggerFish (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040652#msg7040652), Tiruin (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039075#msg7039075), and I (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039754#msg7039754) are all voting for NQT.Your links look okay to me.
Nobody's coming up in votecounts as a double-voter. 5 of 9 votes, a majority. We've got hammer.
FallacyofUrist: Please confirm whether BHK just hammered.
Off topic: FallacyofUrist, do you debate?? :P((I'm curious as to what would make you think that. My answer: I don't debate(though I would like to).))
Well that's odd. Anyone got any ideas why this keeps happening?I'd be surprised if you're scum.
Not that I'm complaining, mind, but it's strange.
Just popping in to say that I will not be active this weekend. Busy time, exam prep, etc. Should be back Monday afternoon.Wishing you well \o (have thesisworks myself and thus am real busy). Also that proponent slip back in D2 gets me sure to say that yer town :v
I tried to read Jack's tarot. I then got redirected to myself, and tried to read my own tarot, but then I was redirected again to Tiruin, which would have failed anyway, because I already read her, but I didn't try because I was finally redirected to Deus Asmoth.Double redirect? I'm very suspicious of you but not enough to border you as a particular scum target--however there is always the notion that the Mafiakill {team allotted Mafia-aligned kill} is a night action given to the Mafia team, and the Mafia may not even have committed the teamkill but acted on their own abilities; which draws my suspicions foward.
The Sun, The Fool, The Hermit.
No, triple redirect. Also, yes, I can only tarot read a person once.I tried to read Jack's tarot. I then got redirected to myself, and tried to read my own tarot, but then I was redirected again to Tiruin, which would have failed anyway, because I already read her, but I didn't try because I was finally redirected to Deus Asmoth.Double redirect? I'm very suspicious of you but not enough to border you as a particular scum target--however there is always the notion that the Mafiakill {team allotted Mafia-aligned kill} is a night action given to the Mafia team, and the Mafia may not even have committed the teamkill but acted on their own abilities; which draws my suspicions foward.
The Sun, The Fool, The Hermit.
But I'm curious about you--is it stated that once you tarot-read someone, your actions fail on them everytime after?
The only thing I got in my night result that might be related to BHK's action is that my ribs and bones in general were painful last night, which doesn't seem very related to the normal tarot reading for those three cards.They aren't related to the cards at all, since the cards effects occur over the next three days. The only bad card in that drawing is The Fool, since it's effect is that of another, random card.
BHK, why did you decide to hammer NQT rather than waiting for his response to Jack?I just saw his "I'm town, you'll regret this" defense as a last ditch effort as clear scum caught out. I didn't think there was going to be anything truthful or of worth in his response.
Also, would I be right in guessing that the Hermit is some kind of jailing ability?
A wise person, BHK? A truthteller, maybe?They won't have much of a problem discerning a single lie from truth.
((I'm curious as to what would make you think that. My answer: I don't debate(though I would like to).))Oh just that this week there's a big debate tournament going on. Just a shot in the dark.
you[/b].... Lemme try again. Asking people what actions they did in a night is rolefishing. I mean that's not that big of a leap. Why are you so interested in specific roles?? Or, (if you maintain the fiction that you only care about mine) Why are you focusing on my specific role?
While you aren't responsible for TDS's embarassingly low activity, you are responsible for his partial claims. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7027469#msg7027469) If you aren't able to support this "claim," TDS was obviously lying, which means you lied.
So, I'll just vote NQT, and read Jack's fate if he rolls mafia, because what are the odds I'm going to draw a card with a 9.09% chance of being drawn twice in a row?You sound really chill about 'just vote'ing NQT. Why did you hammer him without giving him time to respond? Even more interesting...
I tried to read Jack's tarot.Why did you try to read Jack's tarot after you said that you would only do that if NQT flipped scum??
BHK1. Of course I'm chill about hammering someone I think is mafia. And I've already explicitly said that I hammered him without listening to what he had to say because his "You'll regret it" 'defense' confirmed him as scum to me.So, I'll just vote NQT, and read Jack's fate if he rolls mafia, because what are the odds I'm going to draw a card with a 9.09% chance of being drawn twice in a row?You sound really chill about 'just vote'ing NQT. Why did you hammer him without giving him time to respond? Even more interesting...I tried to read Jack's tarot.Why did you try to read Jack's tarot after you said that you would only do that if NQT flipped scum??
1. You hammered him before he said anything... You didn't wait for a "you'll regret it" defense. That's the whole point.BHK1. Of course I'm chill about hammering someone I think is mafia. And I've already explicitly said that I hammered him without listening to what he had to say because his "You'll regret it" 'defense' confirmed him as scum to me.So, I'll just vote NQT, and read Jack's fate if he rolls mafia, because what are the odds I'm going to draw a card with a 9.09% chance of being drawn twice in a row?You sound really chill about 'just vote'ing NQT. Why did you hammer him without giving him time to respond? Even more interesting...I tried to read Jack's tarot.Why did you try to read Jack's tarot after you said that you would only do that if NQT flipped scum??
2. I forgot the reason why I said I wasn't going to read Jack's tarot, which was the only thing keeping me from wanting to read him. The three redirects made it irrelevant, however.
BHK1. I simply didn't know the amount of votes needed for a hammer that day. The "You'll regret it" defense generally isn't posted after a hammer by anyone, so I assumed he said it before I hammered. I'm above lying about personal things to win a mind game.1. You hammered him before he said anything... You didn't wait for a "you'll regret it" defense. That's the whole point.BHK1. Of course I'm chill about hammering someone I think is mafia. And I've already explicitly said that I hammered him without listening to what he had to say because his "You'll regret it" 'defense' confirmed him as scum to me.So, I'll just vote NQT, and read Jack's fate if he rolls mafia, because what are the odds I'm going to draw a card with a 9.09% chance of being drawn twice in a row?You sound really chill about 'just vote'ing NQT. Why did you hammer him without giving him time to respond? Even more interesting...I tried to read Jack's tarot.Why did you try to read Jack's tarot after you said that you would only do that if NQT flipped scum??
2. I forgot the reason why I said I wasn't going to read Jack's tarot, which was the only thing keeping me from wanting to read him. The three redirects made it irrelevant, however.
Why are you lying?
2. Then why did you choose him?
...I've dealt with people who lied about being busy with events or personal things and then betrayed that trust just to win. It's cheesy, gamey, and annoying. If griffinpup didn't accuse me of doing something like that, then okay, sorry, but I'm not going to agree with anyone who defends behavior like that.
I am very suspicious of BHK with the purple defense there. I mean, seriously? Trading on character as a defense in a game where one's modus operandi should be 'assume everybody's lying until proven otherwise'? And denigrating the game you're playing at the same time.
Also not what griffinpup saidThen we have no problem.
1. I simply didn't know the amount of votes needed for a hammer that day. The "You'll regret it" defense generally isn't posted after a hammer by anyone, so I assumed he said it before I hammered. I'm above lying about personal things to win a mind game.1. Why did you tell me that you hammered him because you didn't buy his defense then?? So you just decided to vote NQT, cuz you 'forgot' that your vote was the hammer vote. And when you got asked, your excuse wasn't that you forgot, your excuse was that you didn't by his "you'll regret" speech. So why are you changing your story now? Oh, good to know. Are you mafia?
2. I forgot the reason why I didn't want to. With no reason not to choose him, I chose him, simple as that.
Nevermind this, apparently!Also not what griffinpup saidThen we have no problem.
1. "Didn't buy his defense" is something that you would shoot down as "not descriptive enough" or something along those lines. Not voting someone I think is mafia that something that unnecessarily prolongs games. Forgetting something requires knowing it previously as a prerequisite, I can have multiple reasons for an action or choice, and explain what you mean by changing my story? You also aren't getting a response to the last part.1. I simply didn't know the amount of votes needed for a hammer that day. The "You'll regret it" defense generally isn't posted after a hammer by anyone, so I assumed he said it before I hammered. I'm above lying about personal things to win a mind game.1. Why did you tell me that you hammered him because you didn't buy his defense then?? So you just decided to vote NQT, cuz you 'forgot' that your vote was the hammer vote. And when you got asked, your excuse wasn't that you forgot, your excuse was that you didn't by his "you'll regret" speech. So why are you changing your story now? Oh, good to know. Are you mafia?
2. I forgot the reason why I didn't want to. With no reason not to choose him, I chose him, simple as that.
2. Your decision to choose Jack boiled down to... Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Even though he got a townie lynched.
BHK.b-b-b-b-bandwagon
@Jack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039788#msg7039788) I didn't know what "PFP" meant (still don't, though I assume it has to do with saying "I'm alive, there's just too much going on for me to respond." Once she posted, I was satisfied. Un-FoS (that's a thing, right?)Wozzy: I'm not quite sure I understand what happened here. You saw Tiruin often using an acronym you didn't know, so instead of asking her what it means, you decided she seemed to be "avoiding most questions"? How did you go from not knowing what PFP meant to guessing it meant she was avoiding most questions? Did you ever look for any questions she actually avoided before making the FoS?
2. His reasoning for voting NQT made sense. 1 scum does not equal 1 town, so it's nonsense that scum would perform such a play that would work around them being so disposable, assuming Jack wanted to just make up everything related to jail just to get NQT offed. Everything was logical but the result, which is confusing me.How is the result confusing you? It's pretty clear what happened at this point: NQT got hit with a block (that failed), and with no information whatsoever about the block, he struck out on a limb and recklessly claimed a specific action failure. He wanted information and didn't know that he was essentially claiming a failed kill on Tiruin.
BHK: I can understand you losing track of hammer-necessary votes. I also can understand you forgetting the order of posts. Those make sense.*Why, in that particular situation, would slightly accelerating a scum lynch outweigh the town's interest in the evidence that would have been generated from discussion of the fresh topic?
However, I do not understand your initial defense in that context. You portrayed yourself as either knowing you were hammering or not caring whether you were hammering, all "chill about hammering."
This leaves me with a couple questions:
*Why, in that particular situation, would slightly accelerating a scum lynch outweigh the town's interest in the evidence that would have been generated from discussion of the fresh topic?
*Why not initially say you forgot how many votes were needed for a hammer?2. His reasoning for voting NQT made sense. 1 scum does not equal 1 town, so it's nonsense that scum would perform such a play that would work around them being so disposable, assuming Jack wanted to just make up everything related to jail just to get NQT offed. Everything was logical but the result, which is confusing me.How is the result confusing you? It's pretty clear what happened at this point: NQT got hit with a block (that failed), and with no information whatsoever about the block, he struck out on a limb and recklessly claimed a specific action failure. He wanted information and didn't know that he was essentially claiming a failed kill on Tiruin.
The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.We didn't have that evidence, though? Jack, care to enlighten us?
My thing was not an action. It was an auto, as I've said a few times now. The auto stops the first kill or hammer against the Queen of Canada (Tiruin) each phase. I am not notified of it taking effect, but had a hunch that that was the reason for the lack of a kill N1. I asked around and NQT claimed to have been thrown into Canadian jail.The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.We didn't have that evidence, though? Jack, care to enlighten us?
"He's scum. He's about to die. Why would he not lie and screw with the town?"BHK: And we'd all know he was screwing with us after the (pretty much inevitable) flip. We'd also know the responses each player would have had to the affair. The former's impact would be minimal. The benefit of the latter, though, could have been quite significant. Would you agree?
..."He's scum. He's about to die. Why would he not lie and screw with the town?"BHK: And we'd all know he was screwing with us after the (pretty much inevitable) flip. We'd also know the responses each player would have had to the affair. The former's impact would be minimal. The benefit of the latter, though, could have been quite significant. Would you agree?
PFPing (meaning I'M BUSY [being the Queen]) {but in all seriousness--assume sincerity of busyness}that I actually went back and saw "oh hey, an acronym."
Fallacy: A question, to clarify NQT's statements: Would the holder of the power Disaster Aversion be notified if it activated?"Yes! Now here's why: players can see how many shots they have left in their abilities, and Disaster Aversion is a one-shot ability. If Disaster Aversion triggers, notquitethere would be made aware of it automatically because it went from one shot to zero."
Hey Fallacy: In what order are night actions processed?"Barring bizarreness(of which there is plenty in this game), I'm trying to use [this (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution)] for night action processing."
...What happened between this and your actual vote from BHK to make you decide to step up from an FOS? And given that the only post BHK made between that and your unvote was pretty much the same thing as he had already said (plus calling you out for bandwagonning), why did that explanation satisfy you enough to drop the vote?
I am very suspicious of BHK with the purple defense there. I mean, seriously? Trading on character as a defense in a game where one's modus operandi should be 'assume everybody's lying until proven otherwise'? And denigrating the game you're playing at the same time.
The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.Ok, but why believe Jack about the details of the ability (and its condition of only triggering against kills) rather than NQT?
BHKWhen a cop outs with a guilty report, do you lynch the cop first?The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.Ok, but why believe Jack about the details of the ability (and its condition of only triggering against kills) rather than NQT?
BHK:I didn't lie. I just didn't state my primary reason for hammering as my only defense.
Let's try to clarify this. You knowingly lied about why you tried to hammer NQT. Right?
@griffinpup:Whoa, loaded question much? BHK lied about why he voted NQT, but he says he wasn't aware of his vote being the hammer. I'm inclined to believe him on that.Specifically, I just want to clarify that he knowingly lied. I don't know whether his real reason was that he forgot it was a hammer or not. I'm just concerned with clarifying that he did consciously decide to tell us something untrue. Does that make sense?
BHK1. Do you buff a cop after he outs an innocent player?
When a cop outs with a guilty report, do you lynch the cop first?BHK:I didn't lie. I just didn't state my primary reason for hammering as my only defense.
Let's try to clarify this. You knowingly lied about why you tried to hammer NQT. Right?
2. So you hammered nqt because of his response of "you'll regret it?"
1. Do you buff a cop after he outs an innocent player?1. I forgot. Even then, I got redirected three times. I never had a choice that night anyway.
2. So you hammered nqt because of his response of "you'll regret it?"
BHK... So you forgot that 5 votes was a hammer, and you forgot that you voted nqt before he responded, and you forgot that jack didn't actually find scum?I know that I voted NQT before he responded because I thought far enough ahead to assume that if he were scum, there would have been no value in his response, but not far enough to wait for him to speak + wait for his reveal. As to the other two, yes, and I knew that Jack didn't find scum, but I forgot that it was my reason to not tarot read him. All of this I've stated before...
BHK:My top pick for scum team is TheBiggerFish for that flagrant bandwagon, and Jack A T since he still has no explanation for why NQT actually wasn't scum.
Well, to be fair, you've said all of those things really confusingly as well. Who do you have suspicions for?
Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
NQT, the victim, 'only pretending'? Or Jack A T? I'm not even...Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
Honestly, I think griffinpup has made my point for me, BHK. You've been really confusing and contradictory, and you seem to be getting very forgetful. So call it a bandwagon if you want, but I do agree with the guy.Why do you rely so much on others making points for you instead of creating your own reasons for it, and why isn't griffinpup even objecting to it?NQT, the victim, 'only pretending'? Or Jack A T? I'm not even...Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
Bleh. BHK, I don't care if you call it bandwagon, you just push all the wrong buttons.
BHK, I MADE those points, when I initially FOS'd and voted you.Quote them and I'll acknowledge it. I haven't seen them.
Griffinpup just put better words on it.
@BHK:Not bandwagon, more like you were appearing incredibly self-contradictory and kinda weird, ergo scummy. But you're explaining enough now, so I guess unvote.
Yeah, now you know how I feel :-\@BHK:Not bandwagon, more like you were appearing incredibly self-contradictory and kinda weird, ergo scummy. But you're explaining enough now, so I guess unvote.
Huh. I thought I had actually said my reasons before then.
Jack's only definite result was that NQT had performed a night kill (based off NQT's claim). Did you think that Jack was more likely to be town than NQT before the action claim? Even if he had been scum, I don't see why it would've been a bad thing to see what he said before being lynched.BHKWhen a cop outs with a guilty report, do you lynch the cop first?The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.Ok, but why believe Jack about the details of the ability (and its condition of only triggering against kills) rather than NQT?
I think this was an explanation for Jack's claim that NQT was being scum, not a reason for thinking NQT was town while he was still alive.Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
Current suspect list consists of:So then you're town reading Jack, TBF and BHK? Do you feel the same after the past few days?
Wozzy, 4mask, griffin {TDS}, and DA.
To clarify, just because your scummy plan didn't work doesn't mean that it wasn't a scummy plan. Oh, and when is a justified policy lynch okay?1. Do you buff a cop after he outs an innocent player?1. I forgot. Even then, I got redirected three times. I never had a choice that night anyway.
BHKI said before that I thought far enough ahead to realize that if he were scum, his response would be a lie, but not far enough to realize that the town would know that. Nothing went wrong with the thought process, but common sense didn't say anything.Jack's only definite result was that NQT had performed a night kill (based off NQT's claim). Did you think that Jack was more likely to be town than NQT before the action claim? Even if he had been scum, I don't see why it would've been a bad thing to see what he said before being lynched.BHKWhen a cop outs with a guilty report, do you lynch the cop first?The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.Ok, but why believe Jack about the details of the ability (and its condition of only triggering against kills) rather than NQT?
With the lack of a better suspect, a policy lynch is fine. Generally, a person who doesn't create many arguments is easier to sway when it gets down to a mylo or lylo situation. It sounds harsh, but I can't think of a better way to say it.To clarify, just because your scummy plan didn't work doesn't mean that it wasn't a scummy plan. Oh, and when is a justified policy lynch okay?1. Do you buff a cop after he outs an innocent player?1. I forgot. Even then, I got redirected three times. I never had a choice that night anyway.
Is a safe lynch someone who uses abilities randomly without thought?Is there any reason you have for dwelling on a subject we've already considered, and you've already nearly exhausted other than taking attention away from other opportunities for scumhunting?
I don't have much to add to this...squabble, and these redirects kinda throw me off (both with my notes and with my scum radar). At this point, I'm more likely to vote for TBF, though NQT's last few posts about suggesting DA was his attempted killer (which I admit, I totally forgot about between N2 and my post), has me looking at him as a suspect instead.So Woozy, I don't think that NQT was inherently right because he never got a notification his one-shot went off, and fallacy said that would of happened.
... Because your gut reaction countervoting takes up lots of your busy time? please, ignore my question and start scumhunting.Is a safe lynch someone who uses abilities randomly without thought?Is there any reason you have for dwelling on a subject we've already considered, and you've already nearly exhausted other than taking attention away from other opportunities for scumhunting?
BHK:If the only questions you're asking today are loaded, then gladly.... Because your gut reaction countervoting takes up lots of your busy time? please, ignore my question and start scumhunting.Is a safe lynch someone who uses abilities randomly without thought?Is there any reason you have for dwelling on a subject we've already considered, and you've already nearly exhausted other than taking attention away from other opportunities for scumhunting?
... Interesting. Do you know who it is?I do. The reason why I'm not going to reveal who they are should be obvious.
Obviously. When was the quicktopic started?... Interesting. Do you know who it is?I do. The reason why I'm not going to reveal who they are should be obvious.
Last night, after I got redirected three times.Obviously. When was the quicktopic started?... Interesting. Do you know who it is?I do. The reason why I'm not going to reveal who they are should be obvious.
I'm working under the assumption that a cop has already investigated Tiruin due to the attention she's attracted. If not, well, The Sun.But didn't Turuin get hit with like all of the randomizers that day too? IDK maybe an action got through. But Jack, if he is mafia, and telling the truth about how his ability works, clearly had an explicit incentive to cast it on Turuin. If Turuin is clean, Jack might be too. Turuin could be dirty and Jack could still be good of course.
I'm working under the assumption that a cop has already investigated Tiruin due to the attention she's attracted. If not, well, The Sun.
BHK, what do you mean by "The Sun?"PFP
"Yes! Now here's why: players can see how many shots they have left in their abilities, and Disaster Aversion is a one-shot ability. If Disaster Aversion triggers, notquitethere would be made aware of it automatically because it went from one shot to zero."Alright.
So Woozy, I don't think that NQT was inherently right because he never got a notification his one-shot went off, and fallacy said that would of happened.griffinpup: So, what does that say/what did you think that said about NQT's arguments about Deus?
Jack A T since he still has no explanation for why NQT actually wasn't scum.
BHK: ...Considering how NQT flipped and when he gave that explanation, do you not accept it as the truth?Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
PFPBHK: ...Considering how NQT flipped and when he gave that explanation, do you not accept it as the truth?Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
Did you even read the post-hammer statements by NQT, at least after the "I was town" statement?
PFPHonestly this has gotten to the point where I'm not even sure what's going on right now as far as accusations go. I'll see what I can get you all after breakfast.
Haven't had a chance to get to a computer, but when I do, I'll have a response. Thankfully, we still have 3 days.
How are ties resolved?"Ties, eh? In the vote count, a tie will have nobody being lynched."
Fallacy: Mechanically (not by flavour), how do notifications of being blocked and notifications of other action failures differ?"You were blocked. Your action failed. They differ in how they are stated."
This game is slowly dying...
Because it's highly likely that we won't hear from people even WITH those two days.Sorry, thesisworks.
Extend.Why, despite not having an explicit kill power, did you claim that he was mafia because he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills?
BHK: So what exactly am I supposed to explain about the NQT lynch result, then?
Why, despite not having an explicit kill power, did you claim that he was mafia because he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills?I claimed that he had tried to kill Tiruin because he claimed to have triggered Canadian jailing, a jailing that only triggers with kills and hammers. The route from there to my inference of him being Mafia should be quite clear.
What the fuck even is this question, BHK?Extend.Why, despite not having an explicit kill power, did you claim that he was mafia because he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills?
BHK: So what exactly am I supposed to explain about the NQT lynch result, then?
Do not complain if I reciprocate this attitude later.What the fuck even is this question, BHK?Extend.Why, despite not having an explicit kill power, did you claim that he was mafia because he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills?
BHK: So what exactly am I supposed to explain about the NQT lynch result, then?
4maskwolf and TheBiggerFish: Can someone please explain how this particular bad question is the scummy sort of bad question? What makes it voteworthy?I found him scummy to begin with, this is just the first time I've gotten around to posting so I threw my vote in as part of the post.
Jack said NQT tried to kill Tiruin, because the canadian jail thing only happens to people who make an attempt on her. NQT did not have an explicit killing power, except his misfortune thing that only kills when used on someone twice in a row. Nobody has two night actions, so it's impossible for NQT to have tried to make that kill. Jack's story doesn't line up, why the hell does nobody see it but me?NQT as good as claimed (accidentally, sure, but he did) to have triggered the power. As I understand it we had no confirmation of NQT's claimed night action, so as of the time of the reveal it was entirely possible for NQT to be lying about his night action and just having fallen into a clever trap.
Why would someone ever lie if they're town?
There was no guarantee he was town as of the time of the lynch?
I was being misleading about Canadian Jail (which is unfortunate as it seems to have led to my death). My flavour doesn't mention anything about Canada. I was trying to draw more info out by pretending to be successfully blocked. Dumb plan as it happens.
Why would someone ever lie if they're town?There was no guarantee he was town as of the time of the lynch?
4maskwolf and TheBiggerFish: Can someone please explain how this particular bad question is the scummy sort of bad question? What makes it voteworthy?I was already voting him for general confusing babbling IIRC, this was just more to add to the pile.
EBWOP:Excellent observation, sherlock. But he's town, as we see now since he's been lynched, so naturally I'm asking Jack why he didn't turn up as mafia or someone with an instant killing ability. I didn't consider that NQT might have been lying because it would have been his only excuse to get out of the trap he walked into while he was alive, and when he turned town I figured he had no reason to lie. It isn't hard to understand, and I'm getting tired of answering questions I've already given answers for.Why would someone ever lie if they're town?There was no guarantee he was town as of the time of the lynch?
If you suggest I instead keep quiet and give tarot readings randomly instead, then I guess I can, sure.4maskwolf and TheBiggerFish: Can someone please explain how this particular bad question is the scummy sort of bad question? What makes it voteworthy?I was already voting him for general confusing babbling IIRC, this was just more to add to the pile.
Okay, yes. But I don't see why this has any bearing on Jack A T needing to explain anything, since NQT didn't know at the time either. Hindsight it 20/20.EBWOP:Excellent observation, sherlock. But he's town, as we see now since he's been lynched, so naturally I'm asking Jack why he didn't turn up as mafia or someone with an instant killing ability. I didn't consider that NQT might have been lying because it would have been his only excuse to get out of the trap he walked into while he was alive, and when he turned town I figured he had no reason to lie. It isn't hard to understand, and I'm getting tired of answering questions I've already given answers for.Why would someone ever lie if they're town?There was no guarantee he was town as of the time of the lynch?
Nothing anybody said yesterday made sense when I look at the details of things, how does it make sense? I still don't understand why NQT would lie as town.Okay, yes. But I don't see why this has any bearing on Jack A T needing to explain anything, since NQT didn't know at the time either. Hindsight it 20/20.EBWOP:Excellent observation, sherlock. But he's town, as we see now since he's been lynched, so naturally I'm asking Jack why he didn't turn up as mafia or someone with an instant killing ability. I didn't consider that NQT might have been lying because it would have been his only excuse to get out of the trap he walked into while he was alive, and when he turned town I figured he had no reason to lie. It isn't hard to understand, and I'm getting tired of answering questions I've already given answers for.Why would someone ever lie if they're town?There was no guarantee he was town as of the time of the lynch?
Deus Asmoth: Why didn't you bring up the possibility of scum having been blocked?Because I used a blocking action on NQT during night 1 and thought it was unlikely at the time that there would be another blocker in the game. My block on NQT failed, so I knew that it wasn't the reason for no kills taking place. I thought it was unlikely that there would be another roleblocker in the game (a position I have reconsidered after the amount of skullduggery that's apparently going on at night). Cult seemed unlikely, mafia choosing not to kill wasn't something I even thought of. So either a protect or bulletproof were what was left.
We have several leads from what I can see. For example, you brought up NQT confirming himself so as to coordinate the town back in day 1. NQT's confirmed now and gave his suspicions before he died, so do you plan on following up on them?I'll search for the post and follow what's likely, and he's a seasoned player, so I'd trust his suspicions a bit more, especially with him being confirmed town. Still Day 1 suspicions though, that I should factor in.
Recklessness in pursuit of information.Quickposting, but to address BHK since he seems sincere about it--this is what NQT does...regardless of his alignment @_@ so the emotional backlash of regret is mixed with logical endeavors of insight and reflection. However to also address BHK's impactful comment of 'Jack only claimed after the hammer'...which is reasonably valid, it doesn't seem to be an impactful implication when applied in context because NOBODY actually brought it up until after a few posts and NQT himself popping up, at around 10+ posts post-hammer.
Digging up NQT quotes right now.
Why would someone ever lie if they're town?Contextually--its not a sweeping generalization of honesty-high-ground; town can lie to provoke scum, however in this context...this question is better asked to NQT, however also good to be asked in game to get others' reactions, as I cannot fathom the merit or credit responsibly gained for the town effort (given that we now know NQT is town :V) given that response.
griffinpup: So, what does that say/what did you think that said about NQT's arguments about Deus?Ask less boring questions... Try questions that could conceivably be useful in the future. Maybe stuff that would add more information. I don't want to compare info to NQT's thoughts, when you could just do the same. And... read my posts for the answer to that other one?
Also, which components of BHK's explanation of his hammer do you most trust? Which do you least trust? Why?
However to also address BHK's impactful comment of 'Jack only claimed after the hammer'...which is reasonably validDid nobody read the claim I gave when I voted?
Jack:Griffinpup: Oh joy. You've decided you won't answer because you don't want to and because you cannot conceive of them being useful (which says more about you than about anything else). Is this why you just ignored them initially?griffinpup: So, what does that say/what did you think that said about NQT's arguments about Deus?Ask less boring questions... Try questions that could conceivably be useful in the future. Maybe stuff that would add more information. I don't want to compare info to NQT's thoughts, when you could just do the same. And... read my posts for the answer to that other one?
Also, which components of BHK's explanation of his hammer do you most trust? Which do you least trust? Why?
So, you allude to this thing saying stuff about me, but you never actually say what it says... And then you compare it to some non-specific something else, which apparently also says something non-specific about me. Cool. I hope the fact that I don't really like wasting time helps you.Jack:Griffinpup: Oh joy. You've decided you won't answer because you don't want to and because you cannot conceive of them being useful (which says more about you than about anything else).griffinpup: So, what does that say/what did you think that said about NQT's arguments about Deus?Ask less boring questions... Try questions that could conceivably be useful in the future. Maybe stuff that would add more information. I don't want to compare info to NQT's thoughts, when you could just do the same. And... read my posts for the answer to that other one?
Also, which components of BHK's explanation of his hammer do you most trust? Which do you least trust? Why?
Is this why you just ignored them initially?Pretty much. The questions (especially the first one. The second one is betterish) seem to have no validity, and were mostly time-wasters.
Shockingly, I have reasons for asking the questions I ask.Shockingly, I had reasons for not wanting to answer them.
I'm not trying to get a mere comparison of NQT's thoughts and info. I can do that easily. Hell, I did it in that post, though you seem not to have noticed.I'm glad you already have an answer to the question you asked me. Yep.
You're interested in the NQT/Deus issue, though, and you commented on it. You obviously have some thoughts on the matter. Let's see them fleshed out.I'm not interested in that issue. I think it's a fruitless and pointless issue. I commented on it, once really... I think my original comment was good enough. Basically, NQT's statements end of day 2 weren't magic. They didn't have unlimited truths in them. All they were were assumptions based around game mechanics that were later proven to be false. I don't get why people would be interested in this issue. It's illogical. And I hope this paragraph is fleshy enough for you.
Like any good player, I want to dig deeper into your thoughts and positions.Welp. You're not trying to dig deeper into everyone's thoughts and opinions. Why am I so special?
I want to make you take positions on the record, and I want your positions to be fleshed out. I want to make you generate info about you.This seems a strange claim. I've posted quite a bit, definitely more then most. Why need you generate more info on me but practically ignore some lurkers? In isolation your reason seems fine, but focusing on making me generate info seems completely non-intuitive.
Just reading your posts for the BHK matter is not enough. It was (and, to a certain extent, is) a developing situation, like many, and your statements were each in reaction to the most immediate comment. Each new BHK statement was the sort that should have impacted (positively or negatively) interpretations of the preceding statements. Getting your post-dispute position on each element gives the town novel information on you. Getting it on the record eliminates much of the wiggle room that comes from disputable implications, too.I'm not really sure what you're wanting. It seems pretty clear that BHK intentionally misled town about his reasons for voting. I'm pretty sure I've already made it clear that I think that. I'm not sure what else you want.
When players use the flimsiest of excuses to stymie the information-gathering process and avoid answering questions, it is rather troubling, to say the least.You aren't really information gathering. You're just making me restate stuff that I've already said, or talking about impertinent data from a guy whose entire outlook was colored by a flawed understanding of the mechanics system.
Now, answer the questions.Rawr
Also, boring? Seriously?Yeah boring. Asking me to talk about the theories of a guy who died forever ago, when his theories weren't even good(not his fault, necessarily), is boring. Though, I admit I'm in a pretty combative mood right now. So that leaks into my style of writing. As I'm sure you can tell.
So, you allude to this thing saying stuff about me, but you never actually say what it says... And then you compare it to some non-specific something else, which apparently also says something non-specific about me. Cool. I hope the fact that I don't really like wasting time helps you.You want to know exactly what this says about you? Sure. Here's some. You're quite narrow-minded and, despite your very limited knowledge about the knowledge and intent of others (and thus what use they would make of your answers), you believe yourself to be the supreme arbiter of what is valuable in-game. You have a surface-level view of questions, and cannot comprehend any deeper layers of value.
So, your initial silence was deliberate. Interesting. Why choose that tactic to avoid questions?QuoteIs this why you just ignored them initially?Pretty much. The questions (especially the first one. The second one is betterish) seem to have no validity, and were mostly time-wasters.
I'm not interested in that issue. I think it's a fruitless and pointless issue. I commented on it, once really... I think my original comment was good enough. Basically, NQT's statements end of day 2 weren't magic. They didn't have unlimited truths in them. All they were were assumptions based around game mechanics that were later proven to be false. I don't get why people would be interested in this issue. It's illogical. And I hope this paragraph is fleshy enough for you.Thank you, this is helpful. Not what I was looking for, but helpful. It helps me understand exactly where you were coming from when you stepped in to protect Deus (the main reason why I asked the question), and thus helps me understand your relationships with Wozzy and Deus (particularly the latter). The substantial step you've made beyond your initial statement (specifically, going from the relatively weak 'not inherently right' of your initial statement to the stronger rejection here) is interesting.
Welp. You're not trying to dig deeper into everyone's thoughts and opinions. Why am I so special?First: I only just started focusing on you. When I first asked you those questions, you were one among many people I was questioning. In just that one post alone, I asked four of the seven available players questions. Among them, lurkers and non-lurkers. One of the top posters (BHK), the bottom poster (Deus), and two mid-frequency posters (you and Wozzy). One I am awaiting the initial response of, two I am still handling followup questioning, and one concluded the resulting discussion with a major change of beliefs. Since I made that post, I have continued to question a wider array of players.
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I've posted quite a bit, definitely more then most. Why need you generate more info on me but practically ignore some lurkers? In isolation your reason seems fine, but focusing on making me generate info seems completely non-intuitive.
I'm not really sure what you're wanting. It seems pretty clear that BHK intentionally misled town about his reasons for voting. I'm pretty sure I've already made it clear that I think that. I'm not sure what else you want.Ah. I'll clarify.
Wait, I'm NOT a top-frequency poster? Why the carp am I being so quiet?I don't know, why the fish are you being so quiet?
Everybody:Questions?
Because he claimed he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills, BHK. I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here but this is just...What even.TBF: Why did you vote BNK again when your vote was already on him?
griffinpup: This is going to be fun. I love hamfisted deflection.You're kinda a toolbag. But sure. That's probably all good assumptions.So, you allude to this thing saying stuff about me, but you never actually say what it says... And then you compare it to some non-specific something else, which apparently also says something non-specific about me. Cool. I hope the fact that I don't really like wasting time helps you.You want to know exactly what this says about you? Sure. Here's some. You're quite narrow-minded and, despite your very limited knowledge about the knowledge and intent of others (and thus what use they would make of your answers), you believe yourself to be the supreme arbiter of what is valuable in-game. You have a surface-level view of questions, and cannot comprehend any deeper layers of value.
It's not a tactic. They're not that importantQuote from: griffinpupSo, your initial silence was deliberate. Interesting. Why choose that tactic to avoid questions?QuoteIs this why you just ignored them initially?Pretty much. The questions (especially the first one. The second one is betterish) seem to have no validity, and were mostly time-wasters.
Well now let's look at this. I never stepped in to protect Deus. You're pushing that link all on your own. I did say, and do say, that NQT's assumptions were clearly colored by an incorrect assumption of how it all works. I haven't rejected his specific arguments against Deus. I'm just saying don't treat them like magic.Quote from: griffinpupI'm not interested in that issue. I think it's a fruitless and pointless issue. I commented on it, once really... I think my original comment was good enough. Basically, NQT's statements end of day 2 weren't magic. They didn't have unlimited truths in them. All they were were assumptions based around game mechanics that were later proven to be false. I don't get why people would be interested in this issue. It's illogical. And I hope this paragraph is fleshy enough for you.Thank you, this is helpful. Not what I was looking for, but helpful. It helps me understand exactly where you were coming from when you stepped in to protect Deus (the main reason why I asked the question), and thus helps me understand your relationships with Wozzy and Deus (particularly the latter). The substantial step you've made beyond your initial statement (specifically, going from the relatively weak 'not inherently right' of your initial statement to the stronger rejection here) is interesting.
I was hoping, though, to see the line of logic between NQT's mechanical error and the (now quite strong) rejection of his points about Deus. In my own analysis, I saw the issue of NQT's kill immunity as largely irrelevant to his points about Deus. NQT's error made him more certain, but was not the basis of his case. Please tell me why you disagree.... Actually, I'm gonna have to change my opinion. I just reread NQT's posts, and yeah, it was his complete and only basis of his case.
Deus was also suspicious because he seemed to indicate scum hadn't been blocked, but rather had tried to kill me (or someone else nk-immune) and failed. Given that I know scum failing to kill due to targeting me (and me being an obvious target for a kill), Deus's wording jumped out as suspicious. Hence why I'm voting him.
1. Deus Asmoth or his ally tried to kill me but failed due to my one-shot NK immunityThe only reason Deus was suspicious was in connection to NQT's NK immunity.
So let me clarify. I'm not saying that you're not asking questions to people. I'm saying that you're not creating real information on other people. You've tended to avoid getting in-depth, it looks like you only stick to superficial questions. Sans NQT's thing, where a townie gambited and then got insta-hammered, you've not done much. I mean, sure you ask questions, but no real line of questioning.Quote from: griffinpupWelp. You're not trying to dig deeper into everyone's thoughts and opinions. Why am I so special?First: I only just started focusing on you. When I first asked you those questions, you were one among many people I was questioning. In just that one post alone, I asked four of the seven available players questions. Among them, lurkers and non-lurkers. One of the top posters (BHK), the bottom poster (Deus), and two mid-frequency posters (you and Wozzy). One I am awaiting the initial response of, two I am still handling followup questioning, and one concluded the resulting discussion with a major change of beliefs. Since I made that post, I have continued to question a wider array of players.
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I've posted quite a bit, definitely more then most. Why need you generate more info on me but practically ignore some lurkers? In isolation your reason seems fine, but focusing on making me generate info seems completely non-intuitive.
To put it simply, this idea you have of me ignoring some lurkers is groundless bullshit and obviously so. How did you come to this idea, exactly?
Second: There's a reason I am now focusing on you. You are responding poorly to my questions.Rawr
Third: Deflecting to lurkers, I see. I always love seeing this tactic.Not deflecting. Disagreeing with your reasons for asking questions. You claim it's to generate information, but most of your questions don't really contribute much. You've certainly never pressured someone yet. That's the point.
Mmkay. So this is where I sit.Quote from: griffinpupI'm not really sure what you're wanting. It seems pretty clear that BHK intentionally misled town about his reasons for voting. I'm pretty sure I've already made it clear that I think that. I'm not sure what else you want.Ah. I'll clarify.
We all know BHK misled town about the hammer, and did so intentionally. He said so. He's made several claims about what he did (both when hammering and when taroting), why he did it, and such, each building on the already-tangled pile of statements. Your immediate reaction to most of BHK's points in the dispute was, essentially, strong disbelief.
What I want to see is your thoughts beyond the immediate. I want to see the cohesive current position of the main player making the main case in the main wagon of the day. This grants clarity and an unknown amount of new information, and it makes evaluation of the case against BHK easier.
Let's split the question into two questions that, in aggregate, are sort of similar:
*Aside from BHK's admission of misleading town, do you believe (or lean towards believing) any of BHK's various claims? Why?
*What do you think really happened in the hammer affair?
Because he claimed he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills, BHK. I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here but this is just...What even.You said none of those words, you just stated public knowledge followed by "what even". After I had already said the exact same thing, including a vote. Yeah, I think that constitutes "inanely bandwagoning". And you never pushed the issue afterwards, either, interestingly enough.
Because I had already said them.Then why waste everyone's time saying "what even" with a vote you'd already placed, if you have such a strong case that you'd stated previously?
BHK: what's your roleclaim?I'm a role based around tarot cards.
Wait, I'm NOT a top-frequency poster? Why the carp am I being so quiet?What did you expect this to accomplish?
Everybody:Questions?
Deus: So you're the one behind the failed block that NQT wanted information on. Hm. Why did you try to block NQT and why claim this now (not earlier or later)?I didn't claim it earlier because NQT didn't ask for information on the block as far as I could see, he just mentioned that someone tried to block him and it failed in order to prevent paradox (which... seems odd since the only time it would cause a paradox would have been if we'd both targeted each other in which case the result is irrelevant since it's a self contained unit, but whatever). I'm claiming it now because it saves us the waste of time that giving a vague answer and leaving you to decide that you're not happy with a vague answer and asking again would have been. I blocked him because you and Tiruin seemed unlikely to be mafia to me at the time and NQT seemed slightly more likely to be scum than 4mask at the time as I recall. Plus I figured that if he were scum along with one of the newer players he'd be more likely to do the kill so that they wouldn't have to fake claim an action later.
@4mask:I already said, for emphasis. If I hadn't been voting BHK already, I would have voted there.And, with him already arguing with Jack A T and me voting him and questioning him, what did you think that would accomplish?
What exactly do you think puts you in the position that you'd have authority to demand claims from me and TBF?Umm... I didn't demand anything, and I'm not pulling from any special authority. If you want to know why I asked, that's a different question.
First Post!!!The Wheel of Fortune, The Wheel of Fortune, The Hermit. No idea how you drew the same card twice.
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me. I am now sad
No deaths again...They aren't confirmed. I'm naturally suspicious of them.
I guess since he's dead, I don't have to respond to TBF's question.
I'm ready to basically reveal everything about my role. I just need an answer from 6/7 of you.
Everyone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?
I would've been voting griffinpup as pressure but a re-read gets me back to being vagueTiruin: Why and why? Also, good luck with the defense.
I blocked him because you and Tiruin seemed unlikely to be mafia to me at the time and NQT seemed slightly more likely to be scum than 4mask at the time as I recall. Plus I figured that if he were scum along with one of the newer players he'd be more likely to do the kill so that they wouldn't have to fake claim an action later.Deus: Can you recall why NQT seemed more likely to be scum than 4mask?
Everyone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?Wozzy: I'll need to reexamine her posts, but first and foremost, she's Tiruin and she's busy. A lot of what she's done so far is pretty standard behaviour for her, and she's long been tough to read. The joy she has found in being Queen is completely unsurprising. I have a mild gut town lean on her, but a glance back shows her leaning town on TBF. The TBF relationship examination I intend to do may change my read significantly.
Jack:The best summary is probably this one (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039754#msg7039754), but I can give a more concise and complete one right here:
Speaking of, you've claimed some stuffs. Do you have a concise roleclaim? Maybe I missed it.
BHK: First, why target griffinpup last night? Second, preparing my griffinpup response reminded me of your D1 commentary on self-preservation (final position here) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7030103#msg7030103). To avoid being lynched, you misled the town about how you ended up hammering NQT (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7045812#msg7045812). In your eyes, what made that the right context for self-preservation?I targeted griffinpup because they aren't in a position to use any power granted to them through my reading against the town without anyone noticing. The reasoning for lynching NQT was straight up confusion, but I indeed did end up misleading people. The reason I think I have value is because I can use my readings to assist the town, and I can delay any potentially bad cards I draw for a townie with Rework Fate. Tiruin and Deus should have truthful investigative results from my readings, which is why I'm waiting until they out them before I act.
First Post!!!What do you mean?
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me. I am now sad
...I feel like you're responding to something but what? @_@First Post!!!The Wheel of Fortune, The Wheel of Fortune, The Hermit. No idea how you drew the same card twice.
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me. I am now sad
No deaths again...I'm going to die tonight based on BHK's words :v
I guess since he's dead, I don't have to respond to TBF's question.
I'm ready to basically reveal everything about my role. I just need an answer from 6/7 of you.
Everyone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?
I'll get back to this later on but it was something about his post and how he worded it that got to me :vI would've been voting griffinpup as pressure but a re-read gets me back to being vagueTiruin: Why and why? Also, good luck with the defense.
You made my day, dude. XDEveryone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?Wozzy: I'll need to reexamine her posts, but first and foremost, she's Tiruin and she's busy. A lot of what she's done so far is pretty standard behaviour for her, and she's long been tough to read. The joy she has found in being Queen is completely unsurprising. I have a mild gut town lean on her, but a glance back shows her leaning town on TBF. The TBF relationship examination I intend to do may change my read significantly.
A question for you, by the way. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7050314#msg7050314)
For posterity: TBF, scum, was the most frequent poster.
1. The Empress (Gain an additional action useable beyond death)
Ok so PFP because THESIS WORRIES
BHK: What tarots hit me again?First Post!!!What do you mean?
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me. I am now sad...I feel like you're responding to something but what? @_@First Post!!!The Wheel of Fortune, The Wheel of Fortune, The Hermit. No idea how you drew the same card twice.
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me. I am now sadNo deaths again...I'm going to die tonight based on BHK's words :v
I guess since he's dead, I don't have to respond to TBF's question.
I'm ready to basically reveal everything about my role. I just need an answer from 6/7 of you.
Everyone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?
Why are you insistent on passing the spotlight on me?
For some reason I have learned Wozzy's role (but not his alignment) and he's a Miller-type (he has an auto that identifies him as Mafia).
I know your whole role buddy. You stink of necromantic themes. You have a one-shot kill action that you haven't yet used that has an apparent sign upon use. You also have two actions that are annoying, and one of them is pertinently unclaimed in public. What use was that one action that I presume had already been used?
As Tiruin is acting like an idiot right now, I'll just roleclaim, so you can decide what to do with her.OK, what made you think like that? :v It was a pressure vote since it would be very redundant for MAFIA to have an auto that is Mafia.
Fallacy: While I cannot copy PMs from the mod, may I copy whatever instance of the PMs I am able to dictate? :3I don't entirely understand your question, so I'll give you the answer as I understand it:
As Tiruin is acting like an idiot right now, I'll just roleclaim, so you can decide what to do with her.OK, what made you think like that? :v It was a pressure vote since it would be very redundant for MAFIA to have an auto that is Mafia.
Rude much. >_>
Can y'all not vote willy nilly next time, and just use FoS? I mean, that was 3 votes on NQT that could have easily been an FoS instead, because Jack didn't even show his proof until afterwards. It's that fucking simple.
Yeah, because the hammer (by which I assume 3/4 total votes) can land on you because ONE PERSON voted :vAs Tiruin is acting like an idiot right now, I'll just roleclaim, so you can decide what to do with her.OK, what made you think like that? :v It was a pressure vote since it would be very redundant for MAFIA to have an auto that is Mafia.
Rude much. >_>Can y'all not vote willy nilly next time, and just use FoS? I mean, that was 3 votes on NQT that could have easily been an FoS instead, because Jack didn't even show his proof until afterwards. It's that fucking simple.
During the day, the day may end because of a hammer(getting the majority of the game's available votes on a player will lynch that player, ending the day), or because of the deadline.
"Why do you not die?"With ONE MAFIA MEMBER left.
Votecount Initiating:
Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
Day will end 6:30 P.M. central/forum time Monday.
Deus Asmoth(0): []Suspect list: 4mask, griffin, DA.
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Wozzy opened a quick topic with me offering to skip N4 so you don't die, and I assumed he had the ability to. Seriously consider whether Wozzy dying is beneficial.I respectfully request you withhold that skip for other uses--let me die tonight; I fear not the destiny picked out for me.
And as to the response, I was telling Griffinpup what I drew for them.
Real post eventually. Just a few quick thoughts.Honestly, my nature in scumteams equal a bit more humor and punnery. :P
1)Jack and BHK get a temporary clean bill of health. Jack would of been really ballsy or really idiotic to burn his magic Queen powers on not his scum partner. BHK and TBF being scum both seem unlikely, and I think I was misreading BHK's personality/playstyle, not real scumtells.
2)That leaves DA, Woozy, 4mask,and Turuin.
Turuin:Because I love Jack (and he is my law ♥) and I saw Wozzy's full role last night thanks to BHK's card and can reasonably on behalf over a doubt that he's not scum given the circumstances of his role. :P
What's your reasoning for leaving Jack and Wozzy off of the suspect list?
BHK: Can I get a bit more info on your softclaim? As in, what do those cards actually do?The High Priestess: Learn a random player's entire role, sans alignment.
I blocked 4mask last night. Also, the Sun (I think) triggered for me. Jack is town, surprising no one.Fullclaims please :P I'm not claiming that bit there because it's essentially the only thing I'm not claiming until everyone else has claimed. My previous posts already...answer that however.
Tiruin, did you use that mass protect? Seems relevant for figuring out who could have had a kill stopped.
Jack, it was just a gut feeling. I don't recall there being a solid reason for picking him other than that.
*I am Canadian Criminal Code s. 49.The night action is a one-shot called Loophole Abuse. Interpreting the law loosely allows me to block all players who take a kill action that night, throwing them into Canadian jail. This is the last way to end up in Canadian jail. I used it N2.
*Day action: Pass the Crown. Makes someone the Queen of Canada, giving them an auto that says that. Can only be done when no living player is Queen.
*Night action: unclaimed.
*Auto: Enforcement of the Law. Can activate once per phase. Stops a kill or hammer [on the Queen]. Kills are blocked, and hammers result in the hammerer losing their vote for the rest of the day. Flavour: Canadian jail. Cannot trigger in a LYLO phase.
K. I'm a Clone of Null Nevermore. At night I can use nullification magic to block someone, or use Absolute Nullification to block someone forever as a one-shot.I blocked 4mask last night. Also, the Sun (I think) triggered for me. Jack is town, surprising no one.Fullclaims please :P I'm not claiming that bit there because it's essentially the only thing I'm not claiming until everyone else has claimed. My previous posts already...answer that however.
Tiruin, did you use that mass protect? Seems relevant for figuring out who could have had a kill stopped.
Jack, it was just a gut feeling. I don't recall there being a solid reason for picking him other than that.
K. I'm a Clone of Null Nevermore. At night I can use nullification magic to block someone, or use Absolute Nullification to block someone forever as a one-shot.So...did you use that one-shot, and whom are your candidates for using it? :O
For posterity: TBF, scum, was the most frequent poster.Are you NQT? :P
Wiping griffinpup from the list after assessing D1 (ie TBF's voting pattern, following in the footsteps of probably-grumpy-but-nice NQT) along with behavioral patterns, and noting that there's a safety net in a probability in between a mislynch, considering the factors in play, we have a LACK of claims from some few folk. I am suspicious of DA's power, as it seems a tad bit on the refined-powerful side, albeit considering that it renders only one person--and can be redirected or manipulated--inactive via ability alone.QuoteDeus Asmoth(0): []Suspect list: 4mask, griffin, DA.
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Will be checking back for pattern behavior and assessing TBF's behavior.
#calleditYour one-shot on Jack A T is detected by the Queen, solely through indirect assumptions. Considering the flavor of NQT's ROLEBLOCK, with reflection on my post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061673#msg7061673), I can thus say that you are most likely lying about that first statement there, in the least of it being a one-shot.
I have two parts to my role that I can share at this time.
The first, which I used on Jack A T, was a one-shot ability that caused all other actions targeting my target to be randomized. This was already claimed in the past.
My second power is a two-shot protect. I have used neither of them.
Also, I was roleblocked last night, although I took no action.
Okay guys final roleclaim/planning phase. I, as noted, only have a random redirect, which is mostly useless in this scenario, because the action still occurs. So I'm not going to us that ability, for obvious reasons.Ok, second on my suspicious list because of saying redirects randomly is useless :^
4maskwolf, I detect a discrepancy within your claim.Quick points before I get into the semantics debates: why would I, as scum, make a town player immune to having actions taken on them (and potentially redirect hostile actions to me or my scum partner) on N1 and why would I claim it was a one-shot when it wasn't and claim to have done nothing that night when my night action was reasonably benign and I had no specific reason to hide it? I can't fathom a word of this argument because this being the case (and me being scum) would require me to deliberately take anti-team actions and then lie about them without reason.
Your one-shot on Jack A T is detected by the Queen, solely through indirect assumptions. Considering the flavor of NQT's ROLEBLOCK, with reflection on my post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061673#msg7061673), I can thus say that you are most likely lying about that first statement there, in the least of it being a one-shot.
Because noting the white flash, and that I suffered a similar case of STM in both N1/2, after targeting JACK BOTH TIMES without a difference in flavor other than the similarity of blunt force trauma and the presence of similar symptoms (and signs) of recall interference, I lay down a case of fallibility upon you.
PPE: HhhhhhhhSo, when I mean useless, it's useless in this scenario. Earlier-game, it was useful, by potentially randomizing scum's use ability. Now, however, ideally we'll make a coherent plan of trying to catch scum with abilities, maybe catch them in a lie. If we don't come up with a plan, I'll be using my randomize. But see how a randomize like mine can ruin most plans?Okay guys final roleclaim/planning phase. I, as noted, only have a random redirect, which is mostly useless in this scenario, because the action still occurs. So I'm not going to us that ability, for obvious reasons.Ok, second on my suspicious list because of saying redirects randomly is useless :^
Did you note this beforehand and what you/TDS did before?
You mentioned it was a one-shot (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7043660#msg7043660) inferred to reference N1, but this mentions N2. I targeted Jack N2; this matches the one you mentioned.4maskwolf, I detect a discrepancy within your claim.Quick points before I get into the semantics debates: why would I, as scum, make a town player immune to having actions taken on them (and potentially redirect hostile actions to me or my scum partner) on N1 and why would I claim it was a one-shot when it wasn't and claim to have done nothing that night when my night action was reasonably benign and I had no specific reason to hide it? I can't fathom a word of this argument because this being the case (and me being scum) would require me to deliberately take anti-team actions and then lie about them without reason.
Your one-shot on Jack A T is detected by the Queen, solely through indirect assumptions. Considering the flavor of NQT's ROLEBLOCK, with reflection on my post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061673#msg7061673), I can thus say that you are most likely lying about that first statement there, in the least of it being a one-shot.
Because noting the white flash, and that I suffered a similar case of STM in both N1/2, after targeting JACK BOTH TIMES without a difference in flavor other than the similarity of blunt force trauma and the presence of similar symptoms (and signs) of recall interference, I lay down a case of fallibility upon you.
With that being said, there's no flavor in your N1 redirect indicating it being related to Dwarf Fortress, while the N2 one did (smelling of alcohol). On top of which, there are other confirmed redirectors/randomizers in the game, so accusing me of lying when other redirectors exist is rather silly.
Jack A T as Part of Canadian Law (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061271#msg7061271)Out of y'all, griffin has been irresponsibly vague about himself--he hasn't bothered to claim what happened, but hasn't also claimed targeting me N1. Considering there is only one scum left, there is the distinct idea that nobody can lie now (because that'd be silly.)
Wozzy is known to me and checks out perfectly (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061396#msg7061396)
BHK is a tarot card reader (with presumably more than these abilities) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061727#msg7061727)
Deus is an Ulti-Blocker (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7064076#msg7064076) who despite lacking reasons behind his claims and when they occurred have added information to them. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7062962#msg7062962) {I cleared him because he's clearing Jack as a really dangerous gambit IF SCUM}
4maskwolf as a doctor/redirector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061603#msg7061603)
Jack A T
Wozzy
BlackHeartKabal
Deus Asmoth
4maskwolf
griffinpup
Tiruin - I'm useless anyway :^ Let me go~
Tiruin:Can you fullclaim please?PPE: HhhhhhhhSo, when I mean useless, it's useless in this scenario. Earlier-game, it was useful, by potentially randomizing scum's use ability. Now, however, ideally we'll make a coherent plan of trying to catch scum with abilities, maybe catch them in a lie. If we don't come up with a plan, I'll be using my randomize. But see how a randomize like mine can ruin most plans?Okay guys final roleclaim/planning phase. I, as noted, only have a random redirect, which is mostly useless in this scenario, because the action still occurs. So I'm not going to us that ability, for obvious reasons.Ok, second on my suspicious list because of saying redirects randomly is useless :^
Did you note this beforehand and what you/TDS did before?
I'm honestly rather disappointed that this is the reason you're voting for me. A thought experiment I started doing on Mafia Universe and which I'm doing here as well is to, every so often, try to look at myself from an uniformed townie's perspective and build a case against myself. This is helpful in all alignments because it allows me to think of ways to defend myself should those accusations arise. Earlier D4 I did this and, to my aggravation, came up with a decently strong case against myself based on my action claim, the known actions (and, perhaps more importantly, lack of actions), and old meta, but you managed to hit none of those points and instead accuse me on incredibly shaky and nonsensical ground.It's more of a pressure vote, really. You concluded very quickly, if I could comment on how you drew that 'honestly disappointed' card--in my arsenal of today, I need brevity (because RL stuff .-.) but that aside, I'm pretty open to discussion given the state of the game and number of scum left :)
Yes, I did use it N2, and I never stated or implied otherwise. I'm not sure what you're saying here. The post you quoted of mine was on Day 3 saying "last night", referring to N2, so I have no idea what you're trying to say in this post.You mentioned it was a one-shot (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7043660#msg7043660) inferred to reference N1, but this mentions N2. I targeted Jack N2; this matches the one you mentioned.4maskwolf, I detect a discrepancy within your claim.Quick points before I get into the semantics debates: why would I, as scum, make a town player immune to having actions taken on them (and potentially redirect hostile actions to me or my scum partner) on N1 and why would I claim it was a one-shot when it wasn't and claim to have done nothing that night when my night action was reasonably benign and I had no specific reason to hide it? I can't fathom a word of this argument because this being the case (and me being scum) would require me to deliberately take anti-team actions and then lie about them without reason.
Your one-shot on Jack A T is detected by the Queen, solely through indirect assumptions. Considering the flavor of NQT's ROLEBLOCK, with reflection on my post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061673#msg7061673), I can thus say that you are most likely lying about that first statement there, in the least of it being a one-shot.
Because noting the white flash, and that I suffered a similar case of STM in both N1/2, after targeting JACK BOTH TIMES without a difference in flavor other than the similarity of blunt force trauma and the presence of similar symptoms (and signs) of recall interference, I lay down a case of fallibility upon you.
With that being said, there's no flavor in your N1 redirect indicating it being related to Dwarf Fortress, while the N2 one did (smelling of alcohol). On top of which, there are other confirmed redirectors/randomizers in the game, so accusing me of lying when other redirectors exist is rather silly.
Edit on that part--the flash of light was pertaining to me being redirected; me slipping and falling = getting roleblocked.I'm not entirely sure what any of this means either.QuoteI'm honestly rather disappointed that this is the reason you're voting for me. A thought experiment I started doing on Mafia Universe and which I'm doing here as well is to, every so often, try to look at myself from an uniformed townie's perspective and build a case against myself. This is helpful in all alignments because it allows me to think of ways to defend myself should those accusations arise. Earlier D4 I did this and, to my aggravation, came up with a decently strong case against myself based on my action claim, the known actions (and, perhaps more importantly, lack of actions), and old meta, but you managed to hit none of those points and instead accuse me on incredibly shaky and nonsensical ground.It's more of a pressure vote, really. You concluded very quickly, if I could comment on how you drew that 'honestly disappointed' card--in my arsenal of today, I need brevity (because RL stuff .-.) but that aside, I'm pretty open to discussion given the state of the game and number of scum left :)
Yes, I did use it N2, and I never stated or implied otherwise. I'm not sure what you're saying here. The post you quoted of mine was on Day 3 saying "last night", referring to N2, so I have no idea what you're trying to say in this post.Just saying it looks really weird. You have two-shot protects left unused, also claiming that you did nothing N3, used a one-shot N2, and an unknown action N1. So it's really weird that, in speculation to bring me thinking about other means in your perspective, you bring me to think about 'random redirect that can possibly harm the scumteam N1'. On a specific person, which implies that that person is a high-value target, so the tone got to me. [Although you did mention you were absent and returned back on D2, the question lies on why you didn't act N3 remains]
Also, what conclusions am I jumping to in that? It was the exact facts plus my personal opinion: you did indeed hit none of the points I had thought up for why I was scum, and I saw your argument as nonsensical for reasons that I reiterated above.While a very rare case for me--in this current setting, considering external conditions, my prowess in words at the moment does not match the perception I have in seeing things. :P Apologies for my lack of precision.
I figured that it wasn't impossible DA would block me and, not knowing how limited-use interacted with blocks, didn't want to risk burning an ability to no affect.Planning for N3...why do you think you're a prominent target for this certain person? There's always a possibility you'll be targeted, but there's a sense of certainty here that I can see.
TBF:This is the post in question that I thought about. DA had mentioned D3 earlier that day that he'd chosen his roleblock for N1 between me and NQT, so I figured I had higher than average odds of being blocked. As I noted, though, that was just icing on the cake of not having a clear target and wanting to conserve my abilities for when they really mattered.Wait, I'm NOT a top-frequency poster? Why the carp am I being so quiet?What did you expect this to accomplish?
Everybody:Questions?
Jack:Deus: So you're the one behind the failed block that NQT wanted information on. Hm. Why did you try to block NQT and why claim this now (not earlier or later)?I didn't claim it earlier because NQT didn't ask for information on the block as far as I could see, he just mentioned that someone tried to block him and it failed in order to prevent paradox (which... seems odd since the only time it would cause a paradox would have been if we'd both targeted each other in which case the result is irrelevant since it's a self contained unit, but whatever). I'm claiming it now because it saves us the waste of time that giving a vague answer and leaving you to decide that you're not happy with a vague answer and asking again would have been. I blocked him because you and Tiruin seemed unlikely to be mafia to me at the time and NQT seemed slightly more likely to be scum than 4mask at the time as I recall. Plus I figured that if he were scum along with one of the newer players he'd be more likely to do the kill so that they wouldn't have to fake claim an action later.
Tiruin: Nope. Just amused to see someone almost as far from NQT's model of scum as possible turn out to be scum.For posterity: TBF, scum, was the most frequent poster.Are you NQT? :P
Full roleclaims, please. That includes action records.And then the Law was scum all along. :P
3. Tiruin and 4mask (tie: each has a strong, but imperfect, point in their favour)Awh :> I still wonder why I'm up there though!
Deus Asmoth: Looking through everything, I found your activity troubling. Specifically, I found the lack of it troubling.While I'd agree with the point for Griffin/TDS at the start, noting the vote down in recalling my notes has it as a light lead. That said, considering DA's claimant (And somehow his interest in what I did last night?), he'd either be fakeclaiming on the power of his abilities, or trueclaiming...or softclaiming as a guise.
N2 -Still wondering how come I got the effects of your N2, too. :PI hate you guysWent to Jack A T, fell through a patch of ground, woke up with amnesia, bruises, and the scent of alcohol. Set out to my own house, saw an explosion of light, went to Tiruin, then got redirected again to Deus Asmoth. The Sun(N3), The Fool(N4), The Hermit(N5).
So I've already full role-claimed. I have a random redirect, the flavor is an explosion of light. (I'm a cosmosy-thing)Dats it? :I Surely you've other things in your pocket than...just an 'ability that randomly redirects'.
1. I light-exploded Tiruin, BHK, and then no-one
Oh. Cool. DAAlignment whatnow? O_o
Who'd you tell your alignment too? And why didn't you mention anything?
Oh. Cool. DANo.
Who'd you tell your alignment too? And why didn't you mention anything?
I'm lucky I remember that post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7062962#msg7062962) because of how he worded it. :P "surprising no one". Humor \o/Oh. Cool. DANo.
Who'd you tell your alignment too? And why didn't you mention anything?
As in, it gives an investigative result to the target.
So DA knows the alignment of someone.
My apologies. I totally misunderstood the effect of the sun, apparently. Unvote.Oh. Cool. DANo.
Who'd you tell your alignment too? And why didn't you mention anything?
As in, it gives an investigative result to the target.
So DA knows the alignment of someone.
The fact that we haven't had a single kill confused me. I just don't get it, are we nailing our protects that well.Wozzy: Ludicrious amount of powers to prevent kills (blocks, protects, etc.) makes it hard to kill. Night 2, I used a power to stop all kills. Night 3, Tiruin claims to have used a power to protect everyone.
Extend."Nope! The day can only be extended once per day! Barring role powers, anyway."
4mask: I don't think it's very unlikely that he'd bus a scum partner that would almost certainly be lynched the next day anyway barring a major turnaround. Seems most likely scum at the minute to me, but I need to get time to do a proper re read.Bro, that trick does not work as well as you seem to think it does, particularly when you have a reputation for it like I do. I don't blindly bus people, thank you very much, I only do it if it'll actually earn me townie points (or I think there is a good chance it will). And come on, with this crowd, who would actually give me town points for being the last person on the TBF lynch?
Also... FYI Tiruin, you're lynching me.>_>
Sorry, people. I realise that my play this game has been pretty (entirely) abysmal. On the bright side, as far as I can tell, as long as Tiruin is town and doesn't die tonight it's literally impossible for the town to lose at this stage since she lives as long as Jack does in that case. So at the minute the game is basically won as long as Wozzy's night skip does what he thinks it does.Oh *pats and hugs* :<
Incoming infernal entities. Estimated number: over nine thousand.Town Necromancer o_o
"Infernal entities... oh."
Null seems to be staring at a horde of demonic things that are flying towards you all.
And come on, with this crowd, who would actually give me town points for being the last person on the TBF lynch?4mask: Me, because you weren't just the last person: you ensured the lynch (flipped the vote from 3-3 to 4-2). Your meta means you get fewer town points, but you got enough to keep you under Deus and griffinpup on my list.
(Also I'm not the Queen anymore o_o I'm a SHINING STAR OF LIGHT!)Tiruin: I reject this anti-monarchist plot against the Crown of Canada.
Yeah. Well, that was not an unexpected result I guess. I'm probably going to quit playing for a while until I adjust to my new work pattern, because my activity in this game was brutal, especially considering how much coordination we'd have needed to get around all those town powers.Big hugs to you too :< Saw that bit on work loads and such. Wishing you well there, especially with life at large! \o/ May you have a great time over there dude!
(Though in my defence I was supposed to get bussed on day 3 >:( )
Big sorry to NQT and anyone else who felt :( , noticed you were stressy when you were going to get hammered there dude. :<It's fine, no hard feelings. I'm glad I was able to spill everything I know and lay out my suspicions before the hammer went through.