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Title: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 11, 2016, 07:47:13 pm
((Optional flavor follows))
Null Nevermore, collector of gods, master of multi-universal death games, incredibly dangerous and powerful demigod, was bored.
Very bored.
His latest attempt at getting a bunch of people to massacre each other... was undergoing a time flux. The end result: the deathmatch game was proceeding at an extremely slow rate.

"Null."

Null turned his comfy office throne around to face his loyal second in command, Nowhere Nevermore. "What is it, Nowhere?"

Nowhere smiled. "Have you ever heard the concept of a "mafia" game?"

"No... I have not."

Nowhere took this as a request to continue. "I know how much you like your deathmatches, but there are other options for entertainment. A mafia game is a game of intellect, a game of the mind, a game of-"

"With deadly powers?"

Nowhere sighed slightly. "Yes, there can be deadly powers."

"Very well. I'll try it."
~~~
A few hours later, 9 Manifestations were drawn from the multiverse...
~~~
The rules:

Basic mafia rules (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0) are in effect. Also a few reminders:
No sending PMs to other players(unless you're a mafia player, in which case you can send PMs to your scum buddy).
Don't directly quote your role PM(you may paraphrase it, and you are allowed to directly quote things I've said in thread).
If you're dead, you get one bah post(no game-relevant content). After that, no more posting. Unless you come back to life(role powers, eh?).

A special hammer system is in effect:
The game will consist of 72 hour days and 48 hour nights(the time will pass at half time during weekends(during a weekend, the deadline will approach half as quickly)). During the day, the day may end because of a hammer(getting the majority of the game's available votes on a player will lynch that player, ending the day), or because of the deadline. What makes this system different is that at LYLO or MYLO, the hammer system will not be active, and the only way to end the day will be via reaching the deadline. To prevent mod confirmation of the fact that it's MYLO or LYLO, the fact that the hammer system is not or is being used will not be announced.

To ease my newbie GM mind's transition into GMing mafia games(read this, it's important): I'm keeping the roles somewhat simple, and there will be no third parties. There will be 7 town players and 2 mafia players.

Any and all of the normal rules and whatnot may be subverted/modified by role powers.

This is a BYOR, meaning when you go in, you must also PM me something for me and Residays to build your role out of. What are you allowed to submit? Almost everything.
Don't submit anything that would violate the forum rules and guidelines, or anything that would violate the Nevermore canon(I'm serious, thank you).

The theme this round is: Basic.
~~~
I'm going to(hypothetically) be co-modding this with Residays to help ease my brain.
NOT. Residays vanished.
~~~
So... I'm taking 9 players. The game will start after FHPBYOR2 is finished.


~~~
Seeing as it's my first time modding a mafia game, please inform me(via PM if you like) if you notice any mistakes I may have made(in the OP, in actions... vote counts... basically everything).
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(0/9): In sign ups!
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 11, 2016, 07:55:24 pm
In
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(1/9): In sign ups!
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 11, 2016, 08:30:47 pm
In, sending role shortly.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(2/9): In sign ups!
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 19, 2016, 11:49:49 am
In!

Role will be sent shortly.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(3/9): In sign ups!
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2016, 05:19:43 pm
Role sent.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(4/9): In sign ups! ... We've got 5 slots open!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 01, 2016, 10:30:09 am
Shameless bump to help get people's attention.
I don't think I can run a BYOR with only four players...
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(4/9): In sign ups! ... I think I need more players.
Post by: Jack A T on April 09, 2016, 07:21:22 pm
In if this is still to be run.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): In sign ups! ... COME, COME AND PLAY
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 09, 2016, 08:10:56 pm
I'm definitely still going to run this.
Even though it's taking a rather long time to get players...
even though my (potential)co-mod is still an escaped lunatic and her last post was on march the first...
even though this is going to be my first mafia game...

FallacyofUrist is filled with DETERMINATION by thinking of the awesomeness that is to come.

I'm definitely still going to run this.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist is filled with DETERMINATION
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 09, 2016, 08:16:09 pm
Oh good grief.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): In sign ups! ... COME, COME AND PLAY
Post by: Jack A T on April 09, 2016, 08:21:41 pm
<snip>
Someone needs to submit this post as their role.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist is filled with DETERMINATION
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 11, 2016, 03:05:08 pm
In, because Local Emergency should be done by the time this ends. If not, I can juggle. I don't know a lot about your setting, is there some post I can read? I'll send my role in now and change it if it violates the setting.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist is filled with DETERMINATION
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 11, 2016, 03:22:38 pm
Heh.
I suppose, in all my time of GMing and whatnot, I've never made a definitive explanation of the Nevermore setting.
I'll do so now.
~~~
There was once a man named Null. He was an incredibly powerful mage with a sword that nullified every magic it touched except its own. Then he made a stupid mistake against a mage named Thrakor, causing him to trip on his feet... end result: he accidentally impaled himself with his own sword.
((I based the previous paragraph on the bay 12 forum game Perplexicon(the first one, by piecewise). Everything henceforth is my own invention.))

Null happened to have children, who were understandably angry about his death. Thrakor, after some time, eventually had a family of his own.
Fast forward a long, long time...
There are now two multiverse spanning families/magical mafia clans known as the Nevermores and the Forevermores, the Nevermores descended from Null, the Forevermores descended from Thrakor. The Nevermores are lead by the latest Null Nevermore, a madman with a penchant for deathmatch game shows and a collector of gods. The Forevermores are lead by the latest Thrakor, also known as Thrakor Prime, seeing as all Forevermores have taken the first name Thrakor.
The feud between the families isn't over yet.
~~~
That's the basic idea.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist is filled with DETERMINATION
Post by: Jack A T on April 22, 2016, 09:22:37 pm
Surely there are three more people wanting a BYOR somewhere.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist is filled with DETERMINATION
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 22, 2016, 10:41:31 pm
Surely there are three more people wanting a BYOR somewhere.
Flabort's HPBYOR2 just ended... so did Vengeful 11... and Local Emergency Mafia too...
the players are there, they're just not paying attention.

I'll edit the title again.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: Shakerag on April 25, 2016, 12:21:36 am
Don't submit anything that would violate the forum rules and guidelines, or anything that would violate the Nevermore canon(I'm serious, thank you).
I'd be potentially willing to bet it's this part.  I, for one, have no idea what the fuck Nevermore is. 
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist is filled with DETERMINATION
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 25, 2016, 08:41:27 am
Heh.
I suppose, in all my time of GMing and whatnot, I've never made a definitive explanation of the Nevermore setting.
I'll do so now.
~~~
There was once a man named Null. He was an incredibly powerful mage with a sword that nullified every magic it touched except its own. Then he made a stupid mistake against a mage named Thrakor, causing him to trip on his feet... end result: he accidentally impaled himself with his own sword.
((I based the previous paragraph on the bay 12 forum game Perplexicon(the first one, by piecewise). Everything henceforth is my own invention.))

Null happened to have children, who were understandably angry about his death. Thrakor, after some time, eventually had a family of his own.
Fast forward a long, long time...
There are now two multiverse spanning families/magical mafia clans known as the Nevermores and the Forevermores, the Nevermores descended from Null, the Forevermores descended from Thrakor. The Nevermores are lead by the latest Null Nevermore, a madman with a penchant for deathmatch game shows and a collector of gods. The Forevermores are lead by the latest Thrakor, also known as Thrakor Prime, seeing as all Forevermores have taken the first name Thrakor.
The feud between the families isn't over yet.
~~~
That's the basic idea.
Thisssss. But in any case, almost everything won't interfere with the canon-

A few hours later, 9 Manifestations were drawn from the multiverse...
If you could get it from the multiverse, it probably won't be a problem. Yes, Shakeragian roles are a valid option.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: Dorsidwarf on April 25, 2016, 08:53:43 am
The FBYOR Role That Violates Nevermore Canon?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 25, 2016, 09:01:00 am
... sure. Go ahead and submit that role.
AHAHAHAHA!!!
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: Shakerag on April 25, 2016, 12:00:19 pm
The FBYOR Role That Violates Nevermore Canon?
*golf clap*
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 01, 2016, 09:34:00 am
Hello, anyone?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: Wozzy on May 02, 2016, 06:18:11 am
In
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on May 02, 2016, 07:02:08 am
In
Oh, hey Wozzy!
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: Wozzy on May 02, 2016, 07:43:25 am
In
Oh, hey Wozzy!

Hey there BHK!
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 02, 2016, 08:22:48 am
In
Wonderful. Although if this your first time playing forum mafia, you might want to play something like a Beginner's Mafia instead so you can get the hang of it easier. And even if this isn't your first time playing forum mafia, you might want to play a Beginner's Mafia anyway so you can experience firsthand how we do it here.

I'm still going to put you in the players list, though. Just notify me if you want to drop out.

Also, you still need to send me your role submission.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 12, 2016, 01:11:18 pm
Is this still a thing that might actually happen?

If so, I'll go ahead and in.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs players badly...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 12, 2016, 01:35:19 pm
Is this still a thing that might actually happen?
Oh yes. Yes, it is a thing. Thank you.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs a player badly...
Post by: roo on May 14, 2016, 05:13:27 pm
/in
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! FallacyofUrist needs a player badly...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 14, 2016, 06:33:26 pm
Um... well... okay.
Considering your reputation, I have a poll to make. Also, don't forget to make your role submission.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Roo signed up. Should he be allowed to play?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 14, 2016, 06:40:55 pm
While I don't like roo, that's not exactly a reason to exclude him...
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Roo signed up. Should he be allowed to play?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on May 14, 2016, 06:58:41 pm
Yeah, that's honestly kind of a dick move, FoU.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Roo signed up. Should he be allowed to play?
Post by: roo on May 14, 2016, 07:03:44 pm
/out
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Roo signed up. Should he be allowed to play?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 14, 2016, 07:11:49 pm
Mmm.
Perhaps.
In any case, I would have been happy to have him in if the poll resolved with the result in his favor(and it looked like it was heading that direction before he went out).
Ah well.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Ah well. Still need one more player.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on May 14, 2016, 09:20:57 pm
That's not the point. If you personally didn't want someone in a game you're modding, fine. Making a poll on whether we'll deign to let him play the game with us is a shitty thing to do.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Ah well. Still need one more player.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 14, 2016, 10:24:16 pm
That's not the point. If you personally didn't want someone in a game you're modding, fine. Making a poll on whether we'll deign to let him play the game with us is a shitty thing to do.
Aye.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Ah well. Still need one more player.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 15, 2016, 03:38:21 pm
Okay.
I'm sorry for any offense I may have caused.
Although it seemed to me that using a poll to decide whether or not he would get in the game was a good idea, it seems I got that wrong.
Apologies.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Ah well. Still need one more player.
Post by: Tea on May 23, 2016, 08:04:18 pm
I don't understand the format of what I would need to submit to play this
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Ah well. Still need one more player.
Post by: Tea on May 23, 2016, 08:08:12 pm
Also, uh, my only mafia experience with you involved you flaking. Can I be confident you're not going to abandon us?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): In sign ups! ... COME, COME AND PLAY
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 23, 2016, 08:37:48 pm
I don't understand the format of what I would need to submit to play this
Simple enough. Basically: a name, of a role. There are other options, but that's the basic idea.
You can see some examples in this game (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140896.0)(or any other BYOR run by Webadict).

And also...
I'm definitely still going to run this.
Even though it's taking a rather long time to get players...
even though my (potential)co-mod is still an escaped lunatic and her last post was on march the first...
even though this is going to be my first mafia game...

FallacyofUrist is filled with DETERMINATION by thinking of the awesomeness that is to come.

I'm definitely still going to run this.
This is my answer to your second question.
~~~
Also, a new(more relevant and less horrible) poll is up.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Ah well. Still need one more player.
Post by: Tiruin on May 24, 2016, 08:24:32 am
In and role sent. Because I checked that this needed 1 more player?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Ah well. Still need one more player.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 24, 2016, 08:25:35 am
Yup.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): In sign ups! Ah well. Still need one more player.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 24, 2016, 09:48:13 am
And that's that.

Now then. I'll just need to get confirmation from everybody who signed up... then role design will begin.
~~~
Wow, a three-way tie on the poll.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: Wozzy on May 24, 2016, 10:01:53 am
Still kickin'
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on May 24, 2016, 10:31:41 am
Vivo.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on May 24, 2016, 10:43:18 am
Yep
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: Jack A T on May 24, 2016, 12:13:33 pm
I'm still here.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 24, 2016, 12:14:58 pm
Ayup.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: TheDarkStar on May 24, 2016, 02:10:27 pm
Still here.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 24, 2016, 02:11:21 pm
7 confirmed still here, counting Tiruin.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 24, 2016, 05:59:59 pm
I'll count Tiruin as confirmed based on the fact that she went in today.
Updating OP.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: hector13 on May 24, 2016, 06:39:31 pm
If you need a hand running this, I can do it.

Bear in mind I have no mod experience, though...
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 24, 2016, 08:56:10 pm
Well. If the poll turns out that way, I'll be happy to work with you.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: Tiruin on May 25, 2016, 01:07:34 am
If you need a hand running this, I can do it.

Bear in mind I have no mod experience, though...
I can work as co-mod if we're not missing anyone else. :P

Tea, have you submitted a PM with an idea of your role to Fallacy? I've done a recount and I think there was a skip somewhere?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: notquitethere on May 25, 2016, 08:08:37 am
Still confirmed.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 25, 2016, 08:23:18 am
Tea, have you submitted a PM with an idea of your role to Fallacy? I've done a recount and I think there was a skip somewhere?
Tea never actually went in...
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: Jack A T on May 25, 2016, 01:37:03 pm
4mask hasn't been online for a couple of days.  Hopefully he'll be back on soon.

Fallacy, I recommend sending him a PM requesting confirmation.  Makes sure he'll notice this when he's back.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 25, 2016, 07:01:50 pm
Fallacy, I recommend sending him a PM requesting confirmation.  Makes sure he'll notice this when he's back.
Thanks for the tip. Doing so right now.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Confirmations: yes.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 29, 2016, 03:14:12 pm
Kay. 4mask wolf confirmed via PM. I'll start work on the roles Monday.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Sign ups: closed. Replacements: Open. Baking roles: yes.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 30, 2016, 01:38:54 pm
As it turns out, I can work really fast when I'm motivated enough.
Sending role PM's... now. The actual game might start later today, but more likely tomorrow.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): This is an easter egg
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 31, 2016, 08:52:43 am
"Ladies and gentlemen! I give you... NULLLLLLL NEVERMOREEEEEE!"

Lights flash on. You are revealed to be atop some sort of floating island. Out of nowhere, a man drops, landing on his feet.

"Ladies and gentlemen? Does that really apply here?"

"Eh... maybe?"

"Hmph. In any case, I am your host... NULLLLL NEVERMOREEEE! You may applaud now."

No applause. Zilch.

"Bah. I'm so bloody unappreciated."

"Perhaps you should just get on with the show."

"Perhaps, perhaps. Alright then. If you didn't already know, I am Null Nevermore, my assistant is Nowhere... and you blokes are playing.... MAFIAAAA!"

There are nine of you. Nine.

"And two... are evil. Traitors. Whatnot. Definitely evil. They want to off enough of you to a point where their numbers are greater than or equal to the not so evil ones. Though even if that is the case, it might still be possible for the town to win-after all, if the mafia numbers are greater than or equal to the towns', that simply means the town can't use the lynch. As you might imagine, the town need to eliminate all the evil roles, or mafia."

"This little gizmo, that I'm holding in my hand, is called the L.Y.N.C.H... very handy. Allows all of you to eliminate people from this game- VIA DEATH. And voting. BUT DEATH."

"Now then. We'll leave you to it! If you have any other questions about the rules, just ask... or read the BOOK of DOOOOOOM!"

A rather large book-no, tome falls from the "sky" and lands upon the concrete. Wait, why are you all in a warehouse.

"The game begins... now."

Null and Nowhere are nowhere to be found.
~~~
The device rings out harshly:

Day 1 has begun.

Day 1 will end in 72 hours. That is, at 8:45 on June 3. Forum time.

Today's Extension has not been used. If used(vote to extend and get a majority vote), it will extend the day by 24 hours. Subject to change after feedback.

((On your screen, look at the very top right of this page. You should find a little clock. If it's the same for everybody, I think I'll be using it to keep time. If it's not the same for everybody, I'm going to do some time zones work.))

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
TheDarkStar(0): []
TheBiggerFish(0): []
notquitethere(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

GLHF
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 09:59:58 am
Well then.

There wasn't a night zero, so that's a thing.  Then again, Mafia Marathon this isn't.

Who volunteers to poke the BOOK of DOOOOOOM?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on May 31, 2016, 10:10:18 am
Pokes the BOOK of DOOOOOOM, asking how Nevermore prefers we label our Votes and FoS's, for visibility.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 10:13:08 am
Vote
FoS

right?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 31, 2016, 10:25:37 am
"Heh. Correct. Coloring your votes and fingers of suspicion in red and blue respectively when you enter them into the L.Y.N.C.H will allow them to be counted."

Did the book just talk?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 10:27:58 am
Okay, a talking book.

Flavor is happening, people.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on May 31, 2016, 10:53:03 am
Vote BOOK of DOOOOOOM

Call it bibliophobia, but I don't trust a talking book.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2016, 11:31:40 am
So...uh, heads-up, I'm dealing with a potentially caustic situation involving PMs that aren't in anyway connected to Mafia and with another person not connected to this game so, I may be posting in brevity due to the stress of this >_>

Also this started at a bad time. I shall post tomorrow after sleeping.



Claiming up: I've an ability that...extends the day. So either we'll work by hammers or wait out the deadline--I can sneakily PM Fallacy about doing so because of timezones :v

((On your screen, look at the very top right of this page. You should find a little clock. If it's the same for everybody, I think I'll be using it to keep time. If it's not the same for everybody, I'm going to do some time zones work.))
It is automatically set at default time--not-your-timezone :P So yes. Unless people edited it to mimic theirs...converted to the forum time.

TBF
Who volunteers to poke the BOOK of DOOOOOOM?
How pertinent is this idea to your current goal?
Vote
FoS

right?
Also yes.


Vote BOOK of DOOOOOOM

Call it bibliophobia, but I don't trust a talking book.
Are you doing this to stimulate conversation, or avoid questioning others?

Query to you two: Do you have questions to ask other people at this stage of the game? I do--they come tomorrow :P GMT+8!

PPE: Woah wat flavor funtime @_@
I believe that focus shouldn't be on the flavor--the OP does state optional flavor.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 11:48:04 am
@Tiruin:T'was mostly a joke.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 31, 2016, 11:53:10 am
Claiming up: I've an ability that...extends the day.
Again?  How is it that you always seem to end up with an ability like that?

TheBiggerFish, it looks like I may have to fry you after all.  You've played enough mafia games that I'm surprised to see you spending your first four posts accomplishing nothing but confirming how to vote, which is one of those things in mafia that is generally considered "like usual except otherwise stated."
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on May 31, 2016, 12:57:30 pm
Tiruin: Happy slightly belated birthday. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_Official_Birthday#Canada)
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 01:14:37 pm
I was answering Wozzy's question, 4mask.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 01:22:29 pm
4mask:Why are you jumping on me for answering someone's question?

For that matter, if you've seen me playing Mafia, you should know I tend towards lots of small posts like those.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): This is an easter egg
Post by: Jack A T on May 31, 2016, 01:26:13 pm
((On your screen, look at the very top right of this page. You should find a little clock. If it's the same for everybody, I think I'll be using it to keep time. If it's not the same for everybody, I'm going to do some time zones work.))
Fallacy: While the forum has a default time zone, some players may have adjusted their settings to fit their own time.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 01:27:14 pm
Also Fallacy:Day end on 8:45 AM or PM?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on May 31, 2016, 01:31:42 pm
Vote BOOK of DOOOOOOM

Call it bibliophobia, but I don't trust a talking book.
Are you doing this to stimulate conversation, or avoid questioning others?

Query to you two: Do you have questions to ask other people at this stage of the game? I do--they come tomorrow :P GMT+8!

I was actually trying to put pressure on the book, to get it to spill information.

Personally, I'm not too good at the Day 1 "grilling" part. I prefer having references to voting patterns and claims, and trying to activly piece together who-done-what during the night phases. Not having a N0 means I can't do much D1.

Furthermore, the disadvantage of being the new guy not only effects those who try to use other games for reference to pin me down, but also effects me. I could look through each person's post history to find out how they act in Mafia, but that seems a little stalker-ish, and I already have enough restraining orders against me.

Since no one else wants to start though, I guess I can go ahead.

@TheBiggerFish- Why is 4maskwolf already accusing you of acting fishy (hyuck)?
@Jack A T- do you also go by the alias of JackWest?
@BlackHeartKabal- as the player who introduced me to this forum (I've never even played DF, so I wouldn't have found it otherwise), you have the unfortunate role of being the only player I actually do know the playstyle of. On a scale of 1 to Deathnote book, how out of this world is your role?
@4maskwolf- TBF had merely replied to my question, so unless you know something else, jumping on him seems a little too agressive. How would his usual day 1 post go?

I don't have much to say to the rest of you, yet.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 31, 2016, 01:36:10 pm
Vote BOOK of DOOOOOOM
Invalid vote.

"Correct, L.Y.N.C.H! Lynch votes are only permitted for players and No Lynch!"
~~~
Also Fallacy:Day end on 8:45 AM or PM?
A.M.
~~~
((On your screen, look at the very top right of this page. You should find a little clock. If it's the same for everybody, I think I'll be using it to keep time. If it's not the same for everybody, I'm going to do some time zones work.))
Fallacy: While the forum has a default time zone, some players may have adjusted their settings to fit their own time.
Hm. Noted. The "default time zone clock" should still be viewable by anyone who wants to, right?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 01:38:00 pm
@Wozzy:Apparently he's not used to a playstyle that's straight out of FG&RP's freeforms where there are lots of little posts.

For future reference, it's standard practice to bold names of people you're asking questions to, and @<name> those you're replying to.

So the book of doom is not a player?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on May 31, 2016, 01:43:49 pm
@Jack A T- do you also go by the alias of JackWest?
Wozzy: Never heard of him.
I recommend quickly skimming through (part of) one of the recent non-beginner's games to get a basic idea of B12 play.  Big Top Mafia (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155155.0) is relatively short.  Also, here's a link to the Lurker Tracker (https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~azhou/projects/LT/), a tool you will find useful for your analysis later (always check the 'Clear db first' box).

Hm. Noted. The "default time zone clock" should still be viewable by anyone who wants to, right?
Fallacy: Only if they change their settings back.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 31, 2016, 01:53:10 pm
So the book of doom is not a player?
"Correctomundo! Which means that I can torment you all I like! HAHA!"

Hm. Noted. The "default time zone clock" should still be viewable by anyone who wants to, right?
Fallacy: Only if they change their settings back.
Hm. Which might be an inconvenience.
Hold on. HMMM.

When I view "Look and Layout" in my profile settings, just below the "Time Offset" thing is a display that apparently displays the "current forum time". If you have changed your settings thus that the normal clock in the top right hand corner is different than forum time, you should be able to go to "Look and Layout" to view the forum time. Should.

Good?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 01:54:53 pm
Not really good.

I'm on mobile, that's too much menu.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 31, 2016, 04:29:57 pm
TheBiggerFish: I never said I'd seen or paid much attention to your other games, just that I know you've played at least a few games.  I must admit it piques my curiosity that you accuse me of "jumping on you" for an FOS.

Wozzy: I was prodding him for a reaction, and a reaction I obtained.  What purpose did you see in questioning the book, a non-player entity in a non-bastard game?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 31, 2016, 04:31:18 pm
For those of you with the time zone stuff: Forum time is currently equivalent to Central time.  I assume you can figure out anything you need from there.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on May 31, 2016, 04:33:19 pm
@BlackHeartKabal- as the player who introduced me to this forum (I've never even played DF, so I wouldn't have found it otherwise), you have the unfortunate role of being the only player I actually do know the playstyle of. On a scale of 1 to Deathnote book, how out of this world is your role?
My presence in the game will scale with RNG and time, and barring conversions, I likely won't be lying about what I can do.
TBF - Why such a strong sense of self preservation?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on May 31, 2016, 05:09:12 pm
@4maskwolf- I was prodding the book for a reaction, but I didn't receive one. And how can you be positive it isn't a bastard game? Currently the only people who know it definitely isn't are...well, mafia.

@BHK, just to clarify, you are saying that based on certain conditions, your abilities will become more interesting as the game goes on, right?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on May 31, 2016, 05:12:09 pm
The real reason for voting the book is because I don't expect NPCs in Mafia games, so I figured voting for it was worth a shot. Obviously the L.Y.N.C.H. won't allow me to do that, so my fears are quelled.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 31, 2016, 05:14:07 pm
@4maskwolf- I was prodding the book for a reaction, but I didn't receive one. And how can you be positive it isn't a bastard game? Currently the only people who know it definitely isn't are...well, mafia.
I just went back and read the OP, and boy would I have felt stupid if I was wrong.  But nope, I'm not.  I'm not sure what the protocol is wherever you are from re: bastard mods, but here on Bay12 it's considered proper to let your players know what they are in for when they join a game, and thus the fact that a game is bastard or semi-bastard is mentioned in the game description.  So no, everyone in the game knows that it isn't a bastard mod game.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on May 31, 2016, 05:20:07 pm
@4maskwolf, that works for me, thank you for pointing out my mistake
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on May 31, 2016, 05:34:56 pm
@BHK, just to clarify, you are saying that based on certain conditions, your abilities will become more interesting as the game goes on, right?
My ability is static, it's just that it's extremely RNG based.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 31, 2016, 05:45:20 pm
For those of you with the time zone stuff: Forum time is currently equivalent to Central time.  I assume you can figure out anything you need from there.
Wonderful. Thanks. I imagine this might be of help.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheDarkStar on May 31, 2016, 08:51:39 pm
@BHK, just to clarify, you are saying that based on certain conditions, your abilities will become more interesting as the game goes on, right?
My ability is static, it's just that it's extremely RNG based.

Interesting. Your description of your role is very similar to mine.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 09:09:12 pm
@BHK:Are you saying I should just be lynching myself now or something?  I know I'm Town.  If I rolled over and died it wouldn't help anybody but the Mafia.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on May 31, 2016, 09:12:06 pm
@BHK:Are you saying I should just be lynching myself now or something?  I know I'm Town.  If I rolled over and died it wouldn't help anybody but the Mafia.
If you're town, then your team is larger. Your team is more powerful united. The mafia are an informed minority, and it's absurdly detrimental for one member of a duo mafia to die. Mafia typically have a stronger sense of self preservation since they kinda have to keep what numbers they have alive to win.

You see my point?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 31, 2016, 09:15:22 pm
@BHK:Are you saying I should just be lynching myself now or something?  I know I'm Town.  If I rolled over and died it wouldn't help anybody but the Mafia.
If you're town, then your team is larger. Your team is more powerful united. The mafia are an informed minority, and it's absurdly detrimental for one member of a duo mafia to die. Mafia typically have a stronger sense of self preservation since they kinda have to keep what numbers they have alive to win.

You see my point?
Objection.

While it is true that in the broader scheme of things the town has less to lose from a D1 mislynch than scum would from a D1 scum lynch, every townie should still have a strong sense of self-preservation, as each of them knows they are town and that they can only trust themselves.  It is always better to lynch someone who could be scum, so every townie should push for someone who is not themselves to be lynched, as a general rule, and make a point to try and avoid being lynched.  If you don't try to avoid a lynch, you're being a detriment to the town.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2016, 10:08:56 pm
@BHK:Are you saying I should just be lynching myself now or something?  I know I'm Town.  If I rolled over and died it wouldn't help anybody but the Mafia.
If you're town, then your team is larger. Your team is more powerful united. The mafia are an informed minority, and it's absurdly detrimental for one member of a duo mafia to die. Mafia typically have a stronger sense of self preservation since they kinda have to keep what numbers they have alive to win.

You see my point?
Objection.

While it is true that in the broader scheme of things the town has less to lose from a D1 mislynch than scum would from a D1 scum lynch, every townie should still have a strong sense of self-preservation, as each of them knows they are town and that they can only trust themselves.  It is always better to lynch someone who could be scum, so every townie should push for someone who is not themselves to be lynched, as a general rule, and make a point to try and avoid being lynched.  If you don't try to avoid a lynch, you're being a detriment to the town.
Which is exactly what I just said, but longer.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on June 01, 2016, 01:12:25 am
I would say less that townies should have a strong sense of self-preservation than that they should (and generally try to) act in the town's general strategic interests.  This generally means not wanting to get lynched, but the ultimate goal is never to stay alive.  The ultimate goal is to win.  Trying not to get lynched is expected and is good.  Prioritizing not getting lynched over catching scum is more troubling, albeit acceptable as a short-term strategy with some roles/situations.

This particular case is interesting, but not for matters of pure strategy.  No, what we've got is a set of quite fascinating reactions to a FoS in, of all things, RVS.

TheBiggerFish, let's talk for a bit.
4mask (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7026682#msg7026682) FoSed you on grounds that showed he missed Wozzy's question.  You correct him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7026750#msg7026750).  Problem solved.  Everything's cleaned up, fine, good.
So, a few minutes later, you jump back in to add this:
4mask:Why are you jumping on me for answering someone's question?
For that matter, if you've seen me playing Mafia, you should know I tend towards lots of small posts like those.
Apparently, a simple correction isn't enough.  You needed to reiterate your point and jab back at 4mask.  A FoS in RVS based on an error becomes aggressively "jumping on [you]".  Interesting.

Now, I recognize that you post a lot.  Why, though, did you feel the need to add this?  In particular, why the question?  What did you hope to accomplish with it?  What set of answers were reasonably conceivable from 4mask?
When you made your initial correction, did you think 4mask had already realized that you were responding to Wozzy?  If so, why?  If not, why did you take the "jumping on me for answering someone's question" tack?

Now, there's more material of interest.  BHK asked you about your sense of self-preservation (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7027049#msg7027049), with no FoS or vote attached.  Your response?
@BHK:Are you saying I should just be lynching myself now or something?  I know I'm Town.  If I rolled over and died it wouldn't help anybody but the Mafia.
FoS him and escalate.  Another twitchy jab, although a justified one, at someone who challenged you.  Meh.
What I really like, though, is how your rhetoric ramped up to ridiculous levels.  As if your life was right on the line because of a FoS in RVS, you counterpose your response to the idea of giving up, rolling over, and dying.  Did you feel that FoS put you at great risk?

You seem rather shaken by that FoS in RVS.  Quite nervous, quite twitchy, quite jumpy.  I wonder how an actual vote will make you feel, TheBiggerFish.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 01, 2016, 05:11:39 am
It will make me rather annoyed, Jack.

Yes, I use rhetorical exaggeration for argument, so... What?

Like, seriously, what exactly is wrong with that?

Re:Bunch of questions 1:I don't know, it felt like a good idea at the time. 
I did not think he had realized that I was answering Wozzy.  That's why I asked it.

Re:Bunch of questions 2:I feel like it puts me or anyone at more risk to be FoS'd than to not be, y'know?

In general:Yes, I may be overreacting to FoSs, probably because I really haven't had that much chance to calibrate just how suspicious the people in this game are when they use it.  It could mean, y'know, 'I'm going to vote you if you say anything wrong' or 'That's interesting in a bad way' and I don't know which.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on June 01, 2016, 04:10:05 pm
Almost 12 hours since the last post.

Tiriuin- where was this post we were promised?

Deus Asmoth and notquitethere- do you have anything to contribute, or are you just trying to stay off the radar?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 01, 2016, 04:14:04 pm
Yeah, NQT, post.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 01, 2016, 04:15:24 pm
Oh, we're also missing anything at all from TheDarkStar too.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on June 01, 2016, 04:31:00 pm
TDS at least posted and revealed their role is similar to BHK's. The other two haven't posted.

Why skip Deus Asmoth on your vote spree?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 01, 2016, 05:04:07 pm
They did?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 01, 2016, 05:08:13 pm
Oh, they did.  I don't know how I missed that, it was on the same page even.  :-\

Honestly, I'm more suspicious of the activelurk than the people who just haven't posted.  At least they're not pretending to be active.  Whereas TDS...It feels like a setup for fakeclaiming whatever BHK got.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: notquitethere on June 01, 2016, 05:19:04 pm
Wozzy, have you played with anyone else here? How would you characterise your playstyle?

Deus Asmoth and notquitethere- do you have anything to contribute, or are you just trying to stay off the radar?
Oops, was expecting a PM to tell me the game had started and hadn't checked the forum. I'm definitely on the radar.

BHK/TDS, what are your rationales for claiming what you have claimed?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 01, 2016, 05:26:03 pm
BHK, what are your rationales for claiming what you have claimed?
If RNG decides not to play nicely with me, you have this early claim so in case my actions don't turn out well, I have actual justification from the first day.
NQT - What's your rationale for not claiming?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on June 01, 2016, 06:04:58 pm
@NQT, in reference to my previous post, I have played with BHK on a different forum.

As for my playstyle, I'm rather..fanatic? When I see something suspicious, I will jump right on it. When I'm really sure about being suspicious about someone, I won't be afraid to vocalize it. This does make me a target for mafia kills, and could be detrimental to my win-con when I'm third party or a vital town role.

Outside of the thread, I'm a bit more organized, with notes and spreadsheets. Most of my questioning will be spent trying to fill in the missing pieces.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 01, 2016, 07:02:58 pm
Votecount initiating.

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
TheDarkStar(1): [TheBiggerFish]
TheBiggerFish(1): [Jack A T]
notquitethere(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(1): [notquitethere]
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

And with that, refreshments were served. A variety of beverages now lie upon a round table within the warehouse.
Where did they come from, anyway? No, the answer to that was obvious: magic.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 01, 2016, 07:06:34 pm
Sorry for the delay, people. Working late this week, so I'm not sure how much I'll be able to post for this day at least.

BHK, do you want NQT specifically to make some kind of claim or do you think it'd be a good idea for everyone to claim today?

Jack, did you change the title on reply 71 yourself?

TBF, why did you only decide it was suspicious that me and NQT hadn't posted yet when it was pointed out by someone else? And why do a (presumably) pressure vote on one of us only to immediately vote for someone else?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 01, 2016, 07:12:30 pm
@Deus:Because I wasn't actively lurkertracking at the time.  (and then I didn't see that TDS had posted when I did go looking.)

Because I thought you and NQT had enough pressure from Wozzy, whereas he had missed TDS.  Or so I thought.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 01, 2016, 07:35:40 pm
BHK, do you want NQT specifically to make some kind of claim or do you think it'd be a good idea for everyone to claim today?
I believe that it's only fair that NQT give me his reasons for not claiming if he wants my reasons for claiming.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: notquitethere on June 02, 2016, 10:39:39 am
BHK
If RNG decides not to play nicely with me, you have this early claim so in case my actions don't turn out well, I have actual justification from the first day.
If the RNG doesn't work out, is this going to end badly for town?

NQT - What's your rationale for not claiming?
Telling scum my role would help them more than it would help town right now.



4mask
Again?  How is it that you always seem to end up with an ability like that?
Is this the sort of thing you think Tiruin would be likely to fakeclaim?



Tiruin, please ask Jack a question.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 02, 2016, 10:42:03 am
4mask
Again?  How is it that you always seem to end up with an ability like that?
Is this the sort of thing you think Tiruin would be likely to fakeclaim?
Not particularly, I just remember what happened the last time she has an ability that messed with day length and she kept the day going like three extra RL days.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on June 02, 2016, 01:29:00 pm
The lurking is getting ridiculous.

Vote: Extension
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 02, 2016, 02:18:58 pm
Eh, why not.  Extend
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheDarkStar on June 02, 2016, 02:39:56 pm
Extend. I need a chance to read over the day so far and respond.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on June 02, 2016, 05:19:45 pm
Extend.

BHK: When you asked NQT for his reasons for not claiming, did you expect a general strategic answer (like the one you got), one more specifically tied to his perceptions of his role, or something else?

Jack, did you change the title on reply 71 yourself?
Deus: No.  I quoted a post by that title.

Tiruin, please ask Jack a question.
NQT: Why her and why me?  I have a feeling I know why, but I want to confirm.

Yes, I use rhetorical exaggeration for argument, so... What?
Like, seriously, what exactly is wrong with that?
TheBiggerFish: It's not that rhetorical exaggeration is bad.  It's that in this case, your over-the-top rhetoric helped show how nervous that FoS made you.  It is part of a collection of evidence indicating you were quite perturbed by an error-based early D1 FoS.  That you could even speak of rolling over and dying in the face of that, even with your predilection towards overstatement, says something.
Right now, I'm trying to figure out whether this is the nervousness of scum worried about being caught/unnerved by someone seeming slightly on to them, or the nervousness of somewhat inexperienced town under suspicion.
I did not think he had realized that I was answering Wozzy.  That's why I asked it.
...I'll ask again, because you didn't answer: why did you take the "jumping on me for answering someone's question" tack?
In general:Yes, I may be overreacting to FoSs, probably because I really haven't had that much chance to calibrate just how suspicious the people in this game are when they use it.  It could mean, y'know, 'I'm going to vote you if you say anything wrong' or 'That's interesting in a bad way' and I don't know which.
Like all things in mafia, it's contextual and varied.  FoSes are almost always below votes in suspicion level, though.  In the start of D1, that's an incredibly low bar.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 02, 2016, 05:34:13 pm
Well obviously I'm going to tell you it's the latter, but I don't expect you to take my word for it.

More incoming.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 02, 2016, 05:47:52 pm
TBF, if Wozzy just pointing out less active people was enough pressure on them, why did you need to transfer your vote to TDS to pressure him rather than just pointing it out? Considering how rapidly you changed vote previously, how pressured did you think TDS would feel from the new vote?

Wozzy, what's your definition of lurking?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on June 02, 2016, 06:16:40 pm
@Deus - I use "lurking" as an umbrella term, because I realize that saying "People are lurking" makes the thread jump with activity, as opposed to saying "The thread is pretty quite."

Being called a lurker is a good way of getting people to talk, especially the ones who are actually lurking, instead of being legit busy. My favorite are the players who were obviously watching the thread chime in a couple minutes after being called out to say they are busy.

As for what I actually define lurking? It's when a player is reading the thread, but not participating. If I was to really find lurkers, it would have to be through stalkerish tactics.

I don't think lurking is directly correlated to being scum, but it does have some correlation with trying to lay low.

What is your definition of lurking?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on June 02, 2016, 06:19:30 pm
To expand on that: I would actually not call people out for lurking if this was a game with a couple power roles, as they might actually be cops or doctors trying to hide from scum. In a game where everyone has a power role, I'm gonna use that word freely.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 02, 2016, 06:20:57 pm
Yes, I use rhetorical exaggeration for argument, so... What?
Like, seriously, what exactly is wrong with that?
TheBiggerFish: It's not that rhetorical exaggeration is bad.  It's that in this case, your over-the-top rhetoric helped show how nervous that FoS made you.  It is part of a collection of evidence indicating you were quite perturbed by an error-based early D1 FoS.  That you could even speak of rolling over and dying in the face of that, even with your predilection towards overstatement, says something.

Right now, I'm trying to figure out whether this is the nervousness of scum worried about being caught/unnerved by someone seeming slightly on to them, or the nervousness of somewhat inexperienced town under suspicion.
I did not think he had realized that I was answering Wozzy.  That's why I asked it.
...I'll ask again, because you didn't answer: why did you take the "jumping on me for answering someone's question" tack?
In general:Yes, I may be overreacting to FoSs, probably because I really haven't had that much chance to calibrate just how suspicious the people in this game are when they use it.  It could mean, y'know, 'I'm going to vote you if you say anything wrong' or 'That's interesting in a bad way' and I don't know which.
Like all things in mafia, it's contextual and varied.  FoSes are almost always below votes in suspicion level, though.  In the start of D1, that's an incredibly low bar.
Yes, I was quite perturbed, the guy was arguing from false pretenses.

-a further response to your reaction to my reaction to BHK's FoS will come as soon as I refamiliarize myself with what he said-

Because I was already on that tack with my first post and it felt like a reasonable argument to make.

You have a point there.


@Deus Asmoth:It's not necessarily that Wozzy pointing out inactive people was enough pressure, per se, it's that it looked like Wozzy had missed TDS entirely and I wanted to rectify that, and NQT and you had been prodded in some form already.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 02, 2016, 06:30:02 pm
And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me.  Wow.  I'm losing my touch.

But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack.  My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.  Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.




Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 02, 2016, 06:42:38 pm
BHK
If RNG decides not to play nicely with me, you have this early claim so in case my actions don't turn out well, I have actual justification from the first day.
If the RNG doesn't work out, is this going to end badly for town?

NQT - What's your rationale for not claiming?
Telling scum my role would help them more than it would help town right now.
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role, but RNG still has a paramount presence in what I do.

2 - And painting a target on your back with that statement isn't the same as an outright claim? I don't see why you would put it in such an obvious way.

Extend.

BHK: When you asked NQT for his reasons for not claiming, did you expect a general strategic answer (like the one you got), one more specifically tied to his perceptions of his role, or something else?

NQT is NQT. Naturally, I expected the former (A general strategic answer), but I was looking forward to an answer tied to his role's perceptions.

My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.  Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.

I should have elaborated. You should be placing victory above survival as town, but self preservation in good context is fine. I'll question the cop who lets himself and the identities of the entire mafia team die just as quickly as I will the townie who fakes a cop report on the second choice for today's lynching trying to save himself one useless day. Just be willing to die to let someone we need alive stay alive.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 02, 2016, 07:14:17 pm
@BHK: Ah, that makes sense.  UnFoS.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on June 02, 2016, 07:36:10 pm
But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack.  My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.
TheBiggerFish: True, it was not a direct response to the FoS.  I never represented it as such.  It was a statement in response to a question about your response to the FoS, and was part of a justification of your response to the FoS, being used as a ridiculous alternative to your actual approach.  Why exactly should I not read that statement in that context as counterposed to your response to the FoS?

Because I was already on that tack with my first post and it felt like a reasonable argument to make.
Just to be clear, correcting his belief that you had just been confirming how to vote for no good reason put you on tack to jab at 4mask for "jumping on [you] for answering someone's question"?  And you believed that he was just making a mistake and not, in fact, challenging your decision to answer a question?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 02, 2016, 08:07:46 pm
One more Extend vote to Extend the day. As it is, it will end 8:45 A.M. Central/Forum time tomorrow.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 02, 2016, 08:10:17 pm
BHK
And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me.  Wow.  I'm losing my touch.

But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack.  My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.  Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?

BHK, does it really draw attention to NQT to say that giving scum prior knowledge of what his role might do would be more helpful to the scum than the town? That seems true of 90% of roles I've seen.

Wozzy, I generally look more for people that are posting but not contributing rather than outright lurking. From what I've seen here most people that aren't posting are (not) doing so because of life or the game state rather than intentional lurking. My definition would be similar to your own for actual lurking, I'd just leave it longer to decide that was what they were doing.

Extend
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 02, 2016, 08:12:59 pm
Day Extended, then.

"Wonderful! More time to talk!"

24 hours added, then stretched because weekend: Day 1 will now end 5:30 P.M. June 4th. Central/Forum time.

((Edit: But wait... deadlines approach at half time during weekends. So 8 hours 45 min times two...))
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 02, 2016, 08:16:19 pm
EBWOP: First thing should be to TBF
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 02, 2016, 08:46:48 pm
But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack.  My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.
TheBiggerFish: True, it was not a direct response to the FoS.  I never represented it as such.  It was a statement in response to a question about your response to the FoS, and was part of a justification of your response to the FoS, being used as a ridiculous alternative to your actual approach.  Why exactly should I not read that statement in that context as counterposed to your response to the FoS?

Because I was already on that tack with my first post and it felt like a reasonable argument to make.
Just to be clear, correcting his belief that you had just been confirming how to vote for no good reason put you on tack to jab at 4mask for "jumping on [you] for answering someone's question"?  And you believed that he was just making a mistake and not, in fact, challenging your decision to answer a question?
...Okay, look.  I can't keep track of what you're saying it's got so many layers to it, so I definitely can't answer it.  Can you rephrase it with about five less subjects?

Yes, it did.

BHK
And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me.  Wow.  I'm losing my touch.

But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack.  My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.  Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?
I'm going to go with 'maybe'.  In the right circumstances, it can be amazingly useful.  There aren't any of those yet.  And I doubt there will be.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on June 02, 2016, 09:47:22 pm
...Okay, look.  I can't keep track of what you're saying it's got so many layers to it, so I definitely can't answer it.  Can you rephrase it with about five less subjects?
TBF: Apologies.  Let's try this again.
*BHK's question makes sense only if it's about your response to the FoS, yes?
*In answering it, you were justifying your defensive response to the FoS, yes?
*You portrayed rolling over and dying as a ridiculous alternative approach, yes?
With that in mind, where are the false pretenses?  Why should I read your statement as if it's not about the FoS and your response?

Yes, it did.
Alright.  One more question: seeing that you believed 4mask was completely unaware of the question, did you believe that he was "jumping on [you] for answering someone's question"?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 02, 2016, 10:34:44 pm
False, it was a general statement about self-preservation.  Certainly, evoked by my response to the FoS, but no.

I suppose.

Correct.

That first one.
Because it's not.

Yes, he was.  If unaware of it.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on June 02, 2016, 10:52:59 pm
False, it was a general statement about self-preservation.  Certainly, evoked by my response to the FoS, but no.
TheBiggerFish: Wow.  Let's look back at BHK's very-much-a-question again, as you said you did:
TBF - Why such a strong sense of self preservation?
You would agree that this is a question, yes?  And that there's no actions BHK could have been asking about other than your response to the FoS, yes?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 02, 2016, 11:05:33 pm
Like I said.  Apparently I'm really terrible at remembering things today.  Or it could be that I'm playing Mafia at 12:04 AM.

I'll come back to this once I've slept.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2016, 06:45:37 am
Woo. Back.
/me kicks the hammer away for a day.
(No that's not a vote but it is in red text for some reason when I do a /me thing)

Reading up--I was going to avoid even mentioning Jack's post because I had a feeling it was attached to some ability or whatever, but I'm just now going woah o_o

I used one of my abilities that adds 24 hours to the day, by the way, so it ends on June 4.
Quote
Day 1 will end in 72 hours. That is, at 8:45 on June 3. Forum time.
...That time.

Apologies, it's me dealing with my anxiety ._.

Also NQT because post coming up.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2016, 07:22:21 am
Day Extended, then.

"Wonderful! More time to talk!"

24 hours added, then stretched because weekend: Day 1 will now end 5:30 P.M. June 4th. Central/Forum time.

((Edit: But wait... deadlines approach at half time during weekends. So 8 hours 45 min times two...))
...Aw fish. I should've read earlier but now I sent the PM :I
Eh. I'm da Kween. :v

Tiruin, please ask Jack a question.
YOU WANT ME TO ASK HIM A QUESTION DON'T YOU?! :I
So I shall. But not of this prompting. I:

Ok, summary: Read up till here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7026753#msg7026753). Hiya 4mask, nice to see you active again! (Wondering why you disappeared for brief spurts?). Offline, I was wondering why Jack's first message included that thingy there. Now logged in...I see that he had an ability that--as far as I believe, affects me. And makes me something that I have no idea about [Hooray historical knowledge, you're only on Europe :I].

So...Jack did stuff to me. I now have an Auto. That I'm DA KWEEN of CANADIA.
So thusmuch I'm in the belief that I have something that certain abilities can now affect. :v

Jack
...In lieu of me not suspecting much at all from that other than: Jack, why make me a monarchic subject and why is that your first post, and why me, and woah did you have to announce it in public--please state if it is a public thing. I'm also going to assume that it's a connective-role-ability, meaning that it is connected to certain powers that only activate under certain conditions.
...Also that I believe I'm the only female player here but that's my mind wandering into silliness (apologies if there're others)

Also expect more silliness if I can--my silliness is how I deal with stress T_T

Why I don't expect anything malicious is because I don't see it to be useful other than the simple building block of 'Hello Auto action'.

Inasmuch as that is concerned--I find it peculiarly interesting that nobody actually made mention of that linkie of 'Happy Birthday', other than perhaps NQT by passive subtle association.


NQT: Hai! I notice you're pretty astute this game.
Why is your mention of me--inclusive with a vote, for some reason--only asking me to talk to Jack? I understand it's a precise way to get to know my reaction, but how does that help you?
Why only mention Jack?

Also
BHK
If RNG decides not to play nicely with me, you have this early claim so in case my actions don't turn out well, I have actual justification from the first day.
If the RNG doesn't work out, is this going to end badly for town?
The wording has some sort of...peculiarity with me. Peculiar in a way that says "He could've ended it at 'end badly' but now there's an intensifier of some sort that says 'for town'. What's the purpose of asking those two words?

BHK: Heya! :3
Question!
How do you find other people if they begin analytically picking through your posts; how do you see these certain personality characteristics, and how do you generally gauge someone scummy?

Wozzy:
@BlackHeartKabal- as the player who introduced me to this forum (I've never even played DF, so I wouldn't have found it otherwise), you have the unfortunate role of being the only player I actually do know the playstyle of. On a scale of 1 to Deathnote book, how out of this world is your role?
Welcome to the forums! :3
Personally, I'm not too good at the Day 1 "grilling" part. I prefer having references to voting patterns and claims, and trying to activly piece together who-done-what during the night phases. Not having a N0 means I can't do much D1.
N0 is usually uncommon here in that it needs an announcement since the common always starts at D1. The rest mentioned here are pretty normal for many mafia games--so query to you!
How do you see a cop claim, as compared to any other claim? Is there any sort of bias or credence towards it compared to others?
How do you generally find scum?


DA (Hi Deus Asmoth!)
BHK
And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me.  Wow.  I'm losing my touch.

But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack.  My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.  Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?
Why are you asking this?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 03, 2016, 08:36:43 am
Day Extended.

"Wait, what?"

Day 1 will now end... 8:45 A.M. June 6th(Monday), central/forum time.

"Um... what?"

How mysterious.

((I'm not sure of my math. If any of you would like to check it, go ahead-just remember that the deadline approaches at half speed during weekends.))

Also...

"Also? What do you mean-"

Votecount initiating.

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
TheDarkStar(1): [TheBiggerFish]
TheBiggerFish(1): [Jack A T]
notquitethere(1): [Tiruin]
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(1): [notquitethere]
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on June 03, 2016, 09:28:10 am
@Tiruin- I view cop claims with a bunch of scrutiny. It all depends on the context of them revealing themselves, and who/what they claim to have investigated. I'm usually more suspicious of a cop claim then a doctor claim.

I change my method of scum hunting based on the game. If I'm a cop, I'm more interested in clearing town members, narrowing scum down to a few people. If it's a small game, I'll run scenarios based on what players claim they did at night to see who is lying. I don't know how I'm going to run this game though, so I'll just sit back and fill in my notes just to keep track of these claimed abilities, until I see something suspicious.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on June 03, 2016, 04:56:42 pm
Tiruin: Congratulations!  Due to an obscure clause in the Succession to the Throne Act, 2013 (http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=6072951&File=4), you are now the Queen of Canada!  Not the Queen of the United Kingdom, a totally separate title that used to be held by the same person as the title of Queen of Canada.  Just the Queen of Canada.  It was clearly in the interests of the public and the state of Canada for your coronation to be properly announced to the world.  You're a head of state (http://i.imgur.com/zYuCn44.jpg) (small image link) now.

As the Queen, you have numerous incredible powers that, unfortunately, are heavily restricted by the Constitution Acts of Canada (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/const/) and the various unwritten constitutional conventions.  You have the power to appoint a Governor General to represent you federally and a set of Lieutenant Governors to represent you provincially.  They'll do almost all of your work for you.  You also have the incredible reserve powers of the crown, to be used only in great crisis! (http://www.revparl.ca/english/issue.asp?param=204&art=1430)  Dismiss the Prime MinisterRefuse royal assent to bills from the legislatures!  Refuse to dissolve Parliament!

You even have an extra birthday, separate from your personal birthday!

Please enjoy your new constitutional monarchy!
I'm also going to assume that it's a connective-role-ability, meaning that it is connected to certain powers that only activate under certain conditions.
Maybe.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: notquitethere on June 03, 2016, 05:44:57 pm
4mask
Not particularly, I just remember what happened the last time she has an ability that messed with day length and she kept the day going like three extra RL days.
She asked for that role last time (it was a BYOR). It's interesting that she'd ask for the same thing again.



Jack
NQT: Why her and why me?  I have a feeling I know why, but I want to confirm.
Tiruin had yet to address anyone specific and I thought it'd be a royal idea for her to talk to you.

Seriously though, does your royal decree come with some associated mechanics you'd like to explain?



BHK
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role, but RNG still has a paramount presence in what I do.
In that case, I hope that if you're telling the truth about this that you'll exercise restraint and cool-headed judgement. But it does look like you could be setting up a fakeclaim for a randomised kill power for when someone catches you killing town.

2 - And painting a target on your back with that statement isn't the same as an outright claim? I don't see why you would put it in such an obvious way.
Now let's imagine I did paint a target on my back as town. I'm sure we can all think of good town reasons for doing that. But what would the town reasons be for pointing out to everyone that I'm painting a target on my back?



Tiruin
NQT: Hai! I notice you're pretty astute this game.
Why is your mention of me--inclusive with a vote, for some reason--only asking me to talk to Jack? I understand it's a precise way to get to know my reaction, but how does that help you?
You'd yet to speak to anyone specific. I was curious what you'd say to anyone. Jack was just one jewel of many on the crown, as it were.

Are you satisfied with Jack's response?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on June 03, 2016, 05:56:37 pm
Seriously though, does your royal decree come with some associated mechanics you'd like to explain?
NQT: No, though it does come with some associated mechanics that I would not like to explain.
Also, Tiruin's the one who makes royal decrees.  I just handle the law.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 03, 2016, 05:57:01 pm
BHK: Heya! :3
Question!
How do you find other people if they begin analytically picking through your posts; how do you see these certain personality characteristics, and how do you generally gauge someone scummy?
If someone does that, then it's clear they suspect me, but I can generally (this is a key word) gauge the competence and amount of knowledge they have about me through the content of their nitpicking.
BHK
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role, but RNG still has a paramount presence in what I do.
In that case, I hope that if you're telling the truth about this that you'll exercise restraint and cool-headed judgement. But it does look like you could be setting up a fakeclaim for a randomised kill power for when someone catches you killing town.

2 - And painting a target on your back with that statement isn't the same as an outright claim? I don't see why you would put it in such an obvious way.
Now let's imagine I did paint a target on my back as town. I'm sure we can all think of good town reasons for doing that. But what would the town reasons be for pointing out to everyone that I'm painting a target on my back?
1 - In hindsight, it absolutely does, doesn't it?

2 - You had better have great ability to gauge the importance of your role, because it looks like you're preparing to carry the town a bit, and want to attract the attention of protective roles. You might also be asking me to point out that mafia wouldn't put a target on their backs, but that gets into WIFOM territory.

Continuing after two, if you're planning to start leading the town's efforts, how are we aware that you're town? Why would we be inclined to trust you?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 03, 2016, 05:58:21 pm
*looks at the Queen of Canada business*

Okay then.  What even...
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2016, 07:34:53 pm
*looks at the Queen of Canada business*

Okay then.  What even...
I...don't know if it has any implications at all, however I'm choosing to believe in the simple ideas right now--non-malicious act. Because this game has no third-parties and stuff (and that that tiny picture of me and Canada with a flag made my day even if I just woke up and have only the time to write this down), I...quite like Jack's representation there.

What do you think of it, TBF?

Tiruin
NQT: Hai! I notice you're pretty astute this game.
Why is your mention of me--inclusive with a vote, for some reason--only asking me to talk to Jack? I understand it's a precise way to get to know my reaction, but how does that help you?
You'd yet to speak to anyone specific. I was curious what you'd say to anyone. Jack was just one jewel of many on the crown, as it were.

Are you satisfied with Jack's response?
Yeah, I do. :P Because before that, I did have a post saying I'm away but also will post later. I'm curious why you mentioned Jack, of all people though--maybe it's his mention of me earlier, but I'd like to know why you're mentioning him outright...as well as in a way that speaks of several terms related to monarchy, to speak.

And...maybe. Time shall tell about my...Queenly satisfactions. *ahem* Jack has performed in a way that I, along with the PM I received, can make a very specific note about him.
Why are you interested in my satisfaction?
Do you consider my satisfaction anything worthwhile in your goals?

Seriously though, does your royal decree come with some associated mechanics you'd like to explain?
NQT: No, though it does come with some associated mechanics that I would not like to explain.
Cue several mandates created by your ability, in your connection to this creation of attributed monarchy.

I believe your ability, given you chose Random.org, is gender neutral in its idea. Am I correct?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on June 03, 2016, 07:48:11 pm
(and that that tiny picture of me and Canada with a flag made my day even if I just woke up and have only the time to write this down)
Tiruin: Not quite you and Canada with a flag.  You as the literal head of the state with a flag.
Always glad to help.
I believe your ability, given you chose Random.org, is gender neutral in its idea. Am I correct?
The title, no matter who I handed it to, would have been Queen of Canada.  It could have been given to a man, though.
And...maybe. Time shall tell about my...Queenly satisfactions. *ahem* Jack has performed in a way that I, along with the PM I received, can make a very specific note about him.
And what is that note, exactly?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on June 03, 2016, 07:50:07 pm
Oh, and TBF, how's the reconsideration going?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2016, 07:50:49 pm
And...maybe. Time shall tell about my...Queenly satisfactions. *ahem* Jack has performed in a way that I, along with the PM I received, can make a very specific note about him.
And what is that note, exactly?
Simple things, actually ._. Just something to add to my leads and stuff. Along with what I can infer from my new role.

PFP
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 03, 2016, 07:59:43 pm
BHK
And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me.  Wow.  I'm losing my touch.

But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack.  My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.  Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?
I'm going to go with 'maybe'.  In the right circumstances, it can be amazingly useful.  There aren't any of those yet.  And I doubt there will be.
Your thought process seems a bit odd to me then. Why bring up the importance of preserving useful roles as relevant to you wanting to stay alive if you think your role is unlikely to be useful?

Tiruin:  ( ¡Hi! )

It seemed like something worth clarifying (as above) since otherwise it just felt like a hanging threat of 'don't lynch me or you'll regret it'. Do you disagree?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 03, 2016, 08:02:21 pm
BHK
2 - You had better have great ability to gauge the importance of your role, because it looks like you're preparing to carry the town a bit, and want to attract the attention of protective roles. You might also be asking me to point out that mafia wouldn't put a target on their backs, but that gets into WIFOM territory.

Continuing after two, if you're planning to start leading the town's efforts, how are we aware that you're town? Why would we be inclined to trust you?
Where'd all this come from?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 03, 2016, 08:24:26 pm
BHK
2 - You had better have great ability to gauge the importance of your role, because it looks like you're preparing to carry the town a bit, and want to attract the attention of protective roles. You might also be asking me to point out that mafia wouldn't put a target on their backs, but that gets into WIFOM territory.

Continuing after two, if you're planning to start leading the town's efforts, how are we aware that you're town? Why would we be inclined to trust you?
Where'd all this come from?
Interpretation.

My interpretation of people generally has mixed results, so take everything with a few grains of salt.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 03, 2016, 08:31:42 pm
@Tiruin:I don't know what to make of it.  That's the problem.

Oh, and TBF, how's the reconsideration going?
Of what?

@Deus Asmoth:Because once it is useful, it's very useful.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Jack A T on June 04, 2016, 12:57:41 am
Like I said.  Apparently I'm really terrible at remembering things today.  Or it could be that I'm playing Mafia at 12:04 AM.
I'll come back to this once I've slept.
TBF: You forgot this.  Unvote: scum is generally careful.  You're not.

Need sleep.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 04, 2016, 08:56:50 am
Oh.  Right.

Yes and yes to your questions.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 04, 2016, 04:02:48 pm
Sorry about my absence, I'm back home for my brothers' graduation this weekend, not going to be posting until late tomorrow at the earliest but will do everything in my power to get a post in before day end.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 04, 2016, 04:09:58 pm
Congratulations.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: Wozzy on June 04, 2016, 06:52:13 pm
I'm kinda confused by this Queen of Canada business. It doesn't seem to be a scum ability, so I probably won't prod too much into it. I do fear that posting about it might have painted a target on Tiruin, even if it is just flavor.

I will be busy until Monday morning, but I should be able to check every so often to respond to questions.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. REQUEST: REPLACEMENT for TheDarkStar
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 05, 2016, 03:51:21 pm
TheDarkStar has requested replacement via PM.

Would any spectators care to replace him?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. REQUEST: REPLACEMENT for TheDarkStar
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2016, 10:49:35 pm
Can I maybe sub in? I'm out of practice, but I remember mafia being a blast.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. REQUEST: REPLACEMENT for TheDarkStar
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 06, 2016, 08:58:09 am
Can I maybe sub in? I'm out of practice, but I remember mafia being a blast.
Certainly.

Day over. Day end post coming in a bit.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. REQUEST: REPLACEMENT for TheDarkStar
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 06, 2016, 09:03:00 am
...
Well then.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. REQUEST: REPLACEMENT for TheDarkStar
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 06, 2016, 09:09:39 am
Already? Huh.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. REQUEST: REPLACEMENT for TheDarkStar
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 06, 2016, 09:10:49 am
Hang on, didn't Tiruin extend the day even more?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. REQUEST: REPLACEMENT for TheDarkStar
Post by: Wozzy on June 06, 2016, 09:30:36 am
Hang on, didn't Tiruin extend the day even more?
They did, that's why it didn't end over the weekend
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. REQUEST: REPLACEMENT for TheDarkStar
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 06, 2016, 09:47:05 am
Hang on, didn't Tiruin extend the day even more?
he did, that's why it didn't end over the weekend
Tiru's a she, now everyone hush the day already ended.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Night 1. Behold griffinpup.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 06, 2016, 11:17:53 am
Votecount initiating.

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
TheDarkStar(1): [TheBiggerFish]
TheBiggerFish(0): []
notquitethere(1): [Tiruin]
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(1): [notquitethere]
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

((Correct me if I got the vote count wrong, please.))

No lynch. Three way tie between BlackHeartKabal, notquitethere, and TheDarkStar.

TheDarkStar?

"You're supposed to be dying! Like flies! No lynch? Seriously? Ugh. Night one has begun."

It seems TheDarkStar has become griffinpup. How peculiar.

"... whatever."

Null vanishes, once again.

Night one has begun, and will end 11:15 A.M. Central/Forum Time on June 8. Please send me your night actions. If you do not intend to take a night action, please send me something indicating that.

((You'll be getting TheDarkStar's role PM shortly, griffinpup.))
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 08, 2016, 11:16:39 am
Processing night stuffs.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 08, 2016, 02:10:09 pm
"Why. Why are you not dead?"

The lights turn on. You are all atop a hill. In the clouds. Never mind. The hill is actually a giant turtle. A giant flying turtle.

"I mean, seriously. There should have been at least one death! I need to see some death! DEATH, BLAST IT, DEATH! When I wrought this game, I wanted to see DEATH!"

Null sighs.

"Day 2 has begun. Please actually do some dying this time around."

And... off he goes.

Day 2 has begun. Day 2 will end 2:08 P.M. central/forum time on June 11.

Votecount initiating.

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(0): []
TheBiggerFish(0): []
notquitethere(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: notquitethere on June 08, 2016, 03:01:54 pm
So yesterday was awful.

We should all be ashamed of ourselves.

Now everyone has some actual information though, I expect a much keener D2.

Tiruin who were you targeting last night?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 03:33:37 pm
God damn it.

I edited a goddamn message trying to make a post. I need to try to fix it. I'll post a screenshot of the original post in a bit before doing so, because I have it in a tab, but I can't copy paste it because it has quotes.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 03:35:05 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If this goes against a rule or something, I'll take this down.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: griffinpup on June 08, 2016, 03:36:38 pm
Real post coming eventually, but If anyone has past questions that they'd like me to answer, let me know.  Also NQT, why so suspicious?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 03:39:06 pm
And I need to REMOVE THE POST AND RE POST THE PICTURE BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE IS IN THERE
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: notquitethere on June 08, 2016, 03:44:19 pm
Real post coming eventually, but If anyone has past questions that they'd like me to answer, let me know.  Also NQT, why so suspicious?
Are you really asking me why I am suspicious of others in a game of mafia?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: notquitethere on June 08, 2016, 03:45:03 pm
BHK you should PM Fallacy to explain the problem.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 1. Is this some sort of game show?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 03:45:35 pm
ffs
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 03:49:29 pm
Alright, everything is done. Accidentally replaced Post #120 with my response for the day, but I had multiple tabs of the thread open, so I have the screen there to show the original post, sans accidental and corrective edits. Then I realized I left a personal thing from my POV of the post in the image, so I blotted it out.

Now, as I originally meant to say before ruining everything, my action was a double-edged sword for my target, and do we have any significant information or leads?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Jack A T on June 08, 2016, 03:55:36 pm
no edat in mafa

I'm guessing I wasn't the only one thrown off by the early Monday morning (for me) end time?

Will look back through thread.

griffinpup: Thoughts on the following:
*The Queen of Canada stuff
*The three sort-of-lynch-candidates
*The 4mask/BHK/TBF/I discussion yesterday
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 08, 2016, 04:32:17 pm
So, no deaths. A cult seems like it would be against the flavour of the game comsidering how much our host wants us to kill each other, so presumably we have some kind of doctor/bulletproof person.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: griffinpup on June 08, 2016, 05:28:32 pm
Real post coming eventually, but If anyone has past questions that they'd like me to answer, let me know.  Also NQT, why so suspicious?
Are you really asking me why I am suspicious of others in a game of mafia?
Of Turiun? Yes, I really am asking.  Are you really not going to answer?
griffinpup[/b]: Thoughts on the following:
*The Queen of Canada stuff
*The three sort-of-lynch-candidates
*The 4mask/BHK/TBF/I discussion yesterday
1.  I want to know what the Queen of Canada does.  It sounds awesome. Or lame.  I expect some people will come out with info regarding that and others, but I don't have any information on Queen of Canada personally.
2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously.  Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive.  BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired.  That's pretty suspicious.  Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch target
3. TBF is twitchy, and did kinda hyper-react to a little bit of pressure.  And I haven't played with TBF, but he seems needlessly overreactive... To everything.  Not if scum trait or just different then what I'm used too.  If you've played with him, what do you think?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Wozzy on June 08, 2016, 06:04:09 pm
Well, this is interesting.

I'm going to ask the Queen of Canada what they did last night.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 06:07:14 pm
2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously.  Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive.  BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired.  That's pretty suspicious.  Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch target
What incentive would I have to do so on day one? Why wouldn't I do so if I'm completely aware that my action is RNG based? The best I can do is warn the town beforehand so I don't end up dead over a potentially better suspect because I wanted to neglect to tell the town potentially important information to save my own hide later on. There is no benefit to keeping things to myself.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: griffinpup on June 08, 2016, 06:24:29 pm
2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously.  Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive.  BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired.  That's pretty suspicious.  Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch target
What incentive would I have to do so on day one? Why wouldn't I do so if I'm completely aware that my action is RNG based? The best I can do is warn the town beforehand so I don't end up dead over a potentially better suspect because I wanted to neglect to tell the town potentially important information to save my own hide later on. There is no benefit to keeping things to myself.
Oh come.  You also admitted that you had significant control of what happens as well. and the reason is to not put a target on your back, and therefore get killed anyways.  Of course, mafia doesn't have that concern.
-snip
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role
-snip
Do you point the gun or do you pull the trigger?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 06:34:12 pm
2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously.  Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive.  BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired.  That's pretty suspicious.  Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch target
What incentive would I have to do so on day one? Why wouldn't I do so if I'm completely aware that my action is RNG based? The best I can do is warn the town beforehand so I don't end up dead over a potentially better suspect because I wanted to neglect to tell the town potentially important information to save my own hide later on. There is no benefit to keeping things to myself.
Oh come.  You also admitted that you had significant control of what happens as well. and the reason is to not put a target on your back, and therefore get killed anyways.  Of course, mafia doesn't have that concern.
-snip
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role
-snip
Do you point the gun or do you pull the trigger?
1 - I have control over the sequence of what happens, not what actually happens. And attention isn't selective, if I'm attracting attention, the town is going to notice just as fast as the mafia.

2 - One target. Three outcomes chosen from eleven possibilities. I just point the gun. It's up to fate what kind of round I fired.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: griffinpup on June 08, 2016, 06:44:31 pm
BHK:  I accept UNFOS
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Jack A T on June 08, 2016, 08:35:35 pm
Everyone: Quick question: Did anyone end up in Canadian jail last night?

4maskwolf: Way back, you said (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7027044#msg7027044) you found TBF's reference to you "jumping on him" piqued your curiousity.  What do you think of it now?

Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?
Deus Asmoth: What was it that you were trying to learn through this question, and why?

Real post coming eventually, but If anyone has past questions that they'd like me to answer, let me know.  Also NQT, why so suspicious?
Are you really asking me why I am suspicious of others in a game of mafia?
NQT: Are you really reading griffinpup's question as if its context (an unexplained vote) doesn't exist?

Wozzy: Have you seen anything suspicious so far?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 08:37:17 pm
I saw no mention of jail last night.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Tiruin on June 08, 2016, 09:48:00 pm
Real post coming eventually, but If anyone has past questions that they'd like me to answer, let me know.  Also NQT, why so suspicious?
Are you really asking me why I am suspicious of others in a game of mafia?
Of Turiun? Yes, I really am asking.  Are you really not going to answer?
griffinpup[/b]: Thoughts on the following:
*The Queen of Canada stuff
*The three sort-of-lynch-candidates
*The 4mask/BHK/TBF/I discussion yesterday
1.  I want to know what the Queen of Canada does.  It sounds awesome. Or lame.  I expect some people will come out with info regarding that and others, but I don't have any information on Queen of Canada personally.
2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously.  Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive.  BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired.  That's pretty suspicious.  Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch target
3. TBF is twitchy, and did kinda hyper-react to a little bit of pressure.  And I haven't played with TBF, but he seems needlessly overreactive... To everything.  Not if scum trait or just different then what I'm used too.  If you've played with him, what do you think?
Counterpoint: My vote on NQT was more RVS than anything else.

So yesterday was awful.

We should all be ashamed of ourselves.

Now everyone has some actual information though, I expect a much keener D2.

Tiruin who were you targeting last night?
NQT: Why do you care? :3 Also why so specific? This is very interesting because I am interested in your interests in me.
*reads PM*
...Uh, same question stands. :v
Everyone: Quick question: Did anyone end up in Canadian jail last night?
I built a jail?
I mean *ahem*
Not I.

-snip
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role
-snip
Do you point the gun or do you pull the trigger?
This seems...pointy.
...How is his judgement related to any of those, griffin? o_O

PFP (also sick-ish)

Well, this is interesting.

I'm going to ask the Queen of Canada what they did last night.
I'd enjoy having my name bolded :P It's customary in this forum Mafia games to bold people's names. It's like that vague 'said' in novels as an indicator, so you know this person is being referenced, said the Queen of Canada.

I saw no mention of jail last night.
There was no mention of jail at all. Soft claiming here? O_o
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 10:06:12 pm
-snip
1 - Extremely. My own judgement also plays a major role
-snip
Do you point the gun or do you pull the trigger?
This seems...pointy.
...How is his judgement related to any of those, griffin? o_O
[/quote]Right, it's probably important to mention that I visited you last night, Tiruin. RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 10:06:41 pm
PPE : I need to pay attention to what I cut from posts.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Tiruin on June 08, 2016, 10:09:06 pm
RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.
@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 10:14:45 pm
RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.
@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
The Empress. The High Priestess. Death.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: griffinpup on June 08, 2016, 10:20:31 pm
RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.
@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
The Empress. The High Priestess. Death.
What?

Turiun:  I'm rusty. RVS?  Oh, and BHK's excuse that he had to immediately claim was that so he wouldn't get in trouble if the RNG messed up... But he also admits that judgement plays a large role?  This is why asking pointy questions is useful right now, because his almost cagey excuses might not add up.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 10:24:03 pm
RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.
@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
The Empress. The High Priestess. Death.
What?

Turiun:  I'm rusty. RVS?  Oh, and BHK's excuse that he had to immediately claim was that so he wouldn't get in trouble if the RNG messed up... But he also admits that judgement plays a large role?  This is why asking pointy questions is useful right now, because his almost cagey excuses might not add up.
It's judgement because I can't predict the effect of what I do at all, so I could end up crippling a town member or massively empowering a scum member, and not even realize it. So I have to choose who I target with that in mind.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Tiruin on June 08, 2016, 10:27:22 pm
RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.
@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
The Empress. The High Priestess. Death.
...I just glanced at my notes pad and I'm getting the idea that you're some kind of tarot card dealer. :P

But really...it sounds a lot like soft-claiming on your part here. Any purpose to revealing info about yourself, in that manner, to...today?

...TIL Queen Elizabeth II is DEATH, also an Imperial member.

PFP
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 10:31:31 pm
RNG decided that you're going to have a greater, but shorter impact on the game, which, if you do what a typical town or scum member would do in the situation, good and bad for the town, regardless if you're scum or town.
@_@
That's some specific RNG there. Err...where did the idea of the orange part come from?
The Empress. The High Priestess. Death.
...I just glanced at my notes pad and I'm getting the idea that you're some kind of tarot card dealer. :P

But really...it sounds a lot like soft-claiming on your part here. Any purpose to revealing info about yourself, in that manner, to...today?

...TIL Queen Elizabeth II is DEATH, also an Imperial member.

PFP
Yes.
I can target someone, and I draw three cards from a set of eleven that have different effects that take place the three nights after I draw.
One of the cards I drew has a helpful effect, one has a very helpful effect, and one card's effect is decidedly not helpful.
Guess which one it is?
It's Death.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Jack A T on June 08, 2016, 10:48:57 pm
Everyone: To clarify: Did anyone end up in what's likely a Canadian jail as understood by their in-flavour character?

BHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?

1.  I want to know what the Queen of Canada does.  It sounds awesome. Or lame.  I expect some people will come out with info regarding that and others, but I don't have any information on Queen of Canada personally.
2. Well I'm against the TDS lynch-vote, obviously.  Turiun's vote was on NQT, and immediately on day 2 NQT voted Turiun, seemingly a little unduly defensive.  BHK did this funny claiming thing which he admitted was just to cover himself in case it backfired.  That's pretty suspicious.  Of course, town and mafia have incentive to do that, but he kinda feels like a safe lynch target
3. TBF is twitchy, and did kinda hyper-react to a little bit of pressure.  And I haven't played with TBF, but he seems needlessly overreactive... To everything.  Not if scum trait or just different then what I'm used too.  If you've played with him, what do you think?
griffinpup:
1. I won't say.
2. Interesting wording, that 'safe lynch target' thing.  Define 'safe' in this context.  Is it equivalent to 'good'?
3. I don't believe I've played with him before, though I'm too lazy to check at the moment.

...TIL Queen Elizabeth II is DEATH, also an Imperial member.
Tiruin: But only as Queen of Canada.  Not as Queen of the United Kingdom.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 08, 2016, 10:53:49 pm
BHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?
Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: griffinpup on June 08, 2016, 11:26:30 pm
JACK:  Well BHK's role is a little more outlined now, but it looked like he was a blindfolded guy running around with a shotgun and candy.  If he is a blindfolded guy with a shotgun and candy, then he'd be the most costless town to lynch, and a useful mafia kill.  He's apparently a little bit different then that, though, so keeping him around might be a good idea.  I'm not undecided though.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: notquitethere on June 09, 2016, 06:03:14 am
Pfp

Jack, did you throw me in Canadian Jail specifically or is it randomised?

Tiruin, there was no kill last night. I learned that someone had blocked you. This makes you suspect #2.

But suspect #1 is:

Deus Asmoth
So, no deaths. A cult seems like it would be against the flavour of the game comsidering how much our host wants us to kill each other, so presumably we have some kind of doctor/bulletproof person.
This seems really telling to me, as it's all from the perspective of someone that tried to kill but their target survived. You don't consider the scum being blocked or choosing not to kill and you dismiss a cult. Who did you try to kill so unsuccessfully, Deus?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Wozzy on June 09, 2016, 07:03:21 am
This is quite a bit for me to process.

@Jack, see everything below.

BHK looks suspicious, but, assuming Tiruin can confirm their results, I would be tempted to throw BHK into the town pile. An ability like that doesn't make sense for scum.

Tiruin seems to be avoiding most questions. This doesn't seem a good enough reason to vote her though, so I'm just gonna FoS. She also has the whole "trying to use her to confirm Jack/BHK thing, so I wouldn't vote her anyways. You got lucky :P

This part is interesting: Who told you Tiruin was roleblocked NQT (note: I may not have read this days chat right)? I guess another question is, did you get roleblocked by the jail?

The Deus Asmoth thing seems to be reaching for me, but there is some merit in it. Why would he specifically mention doctor/BP, but completely ignore the idea of a roleblocker?

Griffinpup gets the benefit of the doubt here. TDS was a big target of mine because he only said one thing, and that was that his role is similar to BHK's. Griffinpup seems to be taking a more active role right now, so I guess we can say.. Griffinpup: how is your role similar to BHK's?

TBF what did you do last night?

4mask: same question

Jack, how do you feel about my suspicions?

I think that's everyone?

Also, everyone who was "surprised" by the end of the day should be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 10:46:59 am
@Wozzy:Attempted to confirm BHK, but something roleblocked me.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 10:52:04 am
Was ANYBODY not roleblocked?  I feel like this happened to a LOT of people.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 09, 2016, 11:00:07 am
Was ANYBODY not roleblocked?  I feel like this happened to a LOT of people.
@Wozzy:Attempted to confirm BHK, but something roleblocked me.
Explain both of these posts? What makes you think more people were roleblocked, and what do you mean by "confirming" me?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 09, 2016, 11:08:43 am
Everyone: Quick question: Did anyone end up in Canadian jail last night?

4maskwolf: Way back, you said (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7027044#msg7027044) you found TBF's reference to you "jumping on him" piqued your curiousity.  What do you think of it now?
No to your first question, I'll need to see more of Fish to your second.  It's still interesting, but like anything it must be taken with the whole of a player's actions and not in a vacuum.  That said, I'll get to fish in a moment.

TBF what did you do last night?

4mask: same question
I think the more important question here is "why do you want to know."  I could understand if you asked "who did you target" or something similar, although even that's a bit iffy, but "what did you do last night" is too much to ask anyone D2.  It's rolefishing, plain and simple, and won't actually accomplish anything for the town because the scum can easily lie this early on with as little information as we have.

@Wozzy:Attempted to confirm BHK, but something roleblocked me.

Was ANYBODY not roleblocked?  I feel like this happened to a LOT of people.
...TheBiggerFish

This sounds terribly much like a scum trying to weasel out of claiming their actions.  Claiming an action that's unconfirmable or saying you were roleblocked, particularly when others have noted the presence of roleblocks and it is thus a legitimate cover, is a classic trick.  These posts don't paint a very good picture when combined with your overreaction earlier to getting mildly poked.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 09, 2016, 11:16:02 am
Also, people, stop editing.  You're not allowed to edit.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: griffinpup on June 09, 2016, 11:25:01 am
Woozy:  Why are you rolefishing?... To pretty much everyone in the game??  Except... Dues Asmoth... Who you also subtly defended...
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Wozzy on June 09, 2016, 12:05:07 pm
@4mask, It's not like I'm asking you what your role is. You could easily say "I visited x," or "I was roleblocked," or "I say on my hands and did nothing."

@griffinpup, how did I defend Deus? I gave my reason for being suspicious of him.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Wozzy on June 09, 2016, 12:09:44 pm
I mean, if you want to claim a somewhat investigative role D2 like TBFwithout having any results, and without any pressure that's fine too...
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 09, 2016, 12:13:21 pm
@4mask, It's not like I'm asking you what your role is. You could easily say "I visited x," or "I was roleblocked," or "I say on my hands and did nothing."
mm... so what you're telling me is you asked an open-ended question that could be interpreted as a request for full details of the action taken and on whom, but you're only looking for basic information?

Also, perhaps you two should let Deus answer before starting in at each other over this whole "defending" accusation or really discussing the accusations against DA at all, scum are well known to take rationalizations for their actions from other people's posts about their actions and use those to defend themselves.  Anyone could be scum, so don't give them any tools to make their lives as scum easier if those tools wouldn't benefit the town in some way.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 12:19:03 pm
Was ANYBODY not roleblocked?  I feel like this happened to a LOT of people.
@Wozzy:Attempted to confirm BHK, but something roleblocked me.
Explain both of these posts? What makes you think more people were roleblocked, and what do you mean by "confirming" me?
Because I was roleblocked in attempting to confirm what you've said about your ability, and there have been many complaints of roleblocking.

@griffinpup:It's also true.  Although I can't prove it to you, which is the problem.  I mean, I could prove it to myself but that wouldn't do anything.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 12:19:37 pm
*roleblocked while, not roleblocked in.  AFAIK, at least.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 09, 2016, 12:30:12 pm
Also, people, stop editing.  You're not allowed to edit.
This is completely true. Don't edit your posts in mafia. Ever. Unless it's some sort of bastard gameplay mechanic.
~~~
Votecount initiating.

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(1): [notquitethere]
griffinpup(0): []
TheBiggerFish(1): [4maskwolf]
notquitethere(2): [griffinpup, Tiruin]
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

((As always, please correct me if I got any part of the vote count wrong.))
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: griffinpup on June 09, 2016, 12:49:04 pm
@griffinpup:It's also true.  Although I can't prove it to you, which is the problem.  I mean, I could prove it to myself but that wouldn't do anything.
What are you talking about?
@griffinpup, how did I defend Deus? I gave my reason for being suspicious of him.
The Deus Asmoth thing seems to be reaching for me, but there is some merit in it.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Jack A T on June 09, 2016, 12:50:35 pm
Quick post right now for the key material.  I'll answer questions next, after my tea.

I think it's time for me to partially claim.

As I said yesterday, "I just handle the law." (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7031899#msg7031899)  In fact, I am the law.

I am Canadian Criminal Code s. 49 (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-7.html#h-14), the crime of alarming the Queen.  I have a day action that assigns the title of Queen of Canada to someone (Tiruin), a night action I won't reveal right now, and an auto.  Once per phase (except LYLO day phases), if the Queen would be hammered or killed (which would surely alarm her), the hammerer or killer is instead thrown into Canadian Jail.  Hammerers lose their vote for the rest of the day (but we never hammer here, so that's fine), and killers are blocked.

I had a hunch, when we woke up with no dead, that someone tried to kill Tiruin.  On a lark, I decided to ask around to see if anyone was thrown into Canadian Jail.

Jack, did you throw me in Canadian Jail specifically or is it randomised?
HOLY SHIT THIS ACTUALLY WORKED

NQT, would you care to explain to us why you tried to kill Tiruin last night and then lied about it today?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 09, 2016, 01:15:52 pm
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Jack A T on June 09, 2016, 01:17:25 pm
NQT: Clarification of the 'lied about it' comment: took your 'Tiruin was blocked' statement as your claimed action, which in hindsight, isn't absolutely clear.  Where did you get that info exactly, while in jail?

Jack, how do you feel about my suspicions?
Wozzy: They're a set.  Can you give any examples of Tiruin avoiding questions?  Also, what do you generally think of rolefishing, and why ask so much about roles and actions right now?

Was ANYBODY not roleblocked?  I feel like this happened to a LOT of people.
TBF: What gives you the impression of mass roleblocking, and how did you miss BHK's claimed action?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 01:28:56 pm
@Jack:A lot of people said they were.  Or I saw a few people saying it and nobody else saying they weren't.

How did I what now?  I didn't miss their claimed action, I tried to confirm yesterday's claim that it was RNG-based before day started.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 09, 2016, 04:49:53 pm
Jack:
Deus Asmoth: What was it that you were trying to learn through this question, and why?
BHK
And when I realize that BHK never actually FoS'd me.  Wow.  I'm losing my touch.

But given that, it's pretty clear that you're making an argument from false pretenses, Jack.  My statement wasn't in response to the FoS, it was in response to BHK saying that Town self-preservation was bad.  Especially considering we're all powered roles, losing really useful abilities is a bad thing.
Are we to infer that your role is really useful, then?
I'm going to go with 'maybe'.  In the right circumstances, it can be amazingly useful.  There aren't any of those yet.  And I doubt there will be.
Your thought process seems a bit odd to me then. Why bring up the importance of preserving useful roles as relevant to you wanting to stay alive if you think your role is unlikely to be useful?

Tiruin:  ( ¡Hi! )

It seemed like something worth clarifying (as above) since otherwise it just felt like a hanging threat of 'don't lynch me or you'll regret it'. Do you disagree?

NQT
Deus Asmoth
So, no deaths. A cult seems like it would be against the flavour of the game comsidering how much our host wants us to kill each other, so presumably we have some kind of doctor/bulletproof person.
This seems really telling to me, as it's all from the perspective of someone that tried to kill but their target survived. You don't consider the scum being blocked or choosing not to kill and you dismiss a cult. Who did you try to kill so unsuccessfully, Deus?
Why would I consider the scum choosing not to kill to be more likely than their kill being prevented? Does that seem more likely to you?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Tiruin on June 09, 2016, 10:53:57 pm
Bluhbluhblubbhh am still not feeling that good ._. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=42204.msg7039106#msg7039106) and will continue my posts from last I read (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039118#msg7039118).

So!

Jacque
Everyone: To clarify: Did anyone end up in what's likely a Canadian jail as understood by their in-flavour character?
If it means being Queen...maybe :P
But reading my PM, nup. I got redirected-ole'blocked. And I'm saying this because I skimmed ahead and can note that I'm inferring a tie between NQT and BHK, but the latter has a good note on him while I'm curious on the former.
Skip to next page, woah @_@

NQT

Tiruin, there was no kill last night. I learned that someone had blocked you. This makes you suspect #2.

But suspect #1 is:

Deus Asmoth
So, no deaths. A cult seems like it would be against the flavour of the game comsidering how much our host wants us to kill each other, so presumably we have some kind of doctor/bulletproof person.
This seems really telling to me, as it's all from the perspective of someone that tried to kill but their target survived. You don't consider the scum being blocked or choosing not to kill and you dismiss a cult. Who did you try to kill so unsuccessfully, Deus?
Err, me being suspect #2 on a more empirical basis, compared to someone else on a more 'structure of language' basis seems strange. How did DA sound, in such a way that it became telling for you to shift your vote from me?
Next is, I know you're a watcher-type. :3 Muhwahwaha Queenly powers of deduction.

BHK
BHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?
Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :P
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?

griffin
JACK:  Well BHK's role is a little more outlined now, but it looked like he was a blindfolded guy running around with a shotgun and candy.  If he is a blindfolded guy with a shotgun and candy, then he'd be the most costless town to lynch, and a useful mafia kill.  He's apparently a little bit different then that, though, so keeping him around might be a good idea.  I'm not undecided though.
Dem words, yo.
What makes him a useful Mafia kill here?
Woozy:  Why are you rolefishing?... To pretty much everyone in the game??  Except... Dues Asmoth... Who you also subtly defended...
So FoS'ing me that I'm missing questions is rolefishing? :P
This is more to humor your 'everyone' but I'm interested if you have the time.

Wozzy (sounds like fuzzy ^ ^)
@Jack, see everything below.

BHK looks suspicious, but, assuming Tiruin can confirm their results, I would be tempted to throw BHK into the town pile. An ability like that doesn't make sense for scum.

Tiruin seems to be avoiding most questions. This doesn't seem a good enough reason to vote her though, so I'm just gonna FoS. She also has the whole "trying to use her to confirm Jack/BHK thing, so I wouldn't vote her anyways. You got lucky :P

This part is interesting: Who told you Tiruin was roleblocked NQT (note: I may not have read this days chat right)? I guess another question is, did you get roleblocked by the jail?
I like that you finally bolded my name :D
I don't like that you say I missed questions without giving me linkies T_T I did say I was PFPing (meaning I'M BUSY [being the Queen]) {but in all seriousness--assume sincerity of busyness}
If I 'seem to be avoiding "most" questions', redirect me to them...and then make a point underneath it to detail what the connection is between your observations and this instance. It can go many ways like 'They seem to be avoiding questions because busy' or in a more Mafia-esque term, there's the usual 'UNCOMFY WITH MAH QUESTIONS, SCUM?!' theme.
So what is it? And what questions? Are these pertinent questions?

4mask
I'm not trying to defend TBF--I just know his personality ALOT. (Heheh, alot.)
Was ANYBODY not roleblocked?  I feel like this happened to a LOT of people.
...TheBiggerFish

This sounds terribly much like a scum trying to weasel out of claiming their actions.  Claiming an action that's unconfirmable or saying you were roleblocked, particularly when others have noted the presence of roleblocks and it is thus a legitimate cover, is a classic trick.  These posts don't paint a very good picture when combined with your overreaction earlier to getting mildly poked.
So...rather than me speaking on behalf of him, it's more me following my leads on him in reading his response to you since this all happened before I post this post. :v
That said...this is how he usually acts. :P Speculating ideas in the open.
And personally considering his internal consistency (another term in psychoanalytics which I feel silly in applying here because of the 'internal' mechanisms being 'his behavior'), he's pretty much being genuine in THE QUEEN's eye.

I love being THE QUEEN just to be able to say these things. :D

Also, people, stop editing.  You're not allowed to edit.
Myuhh. I noticed Wozzy did that IN HIS POST BEFORE D1 END but then I was too tired to poke Fallacy, but then it kept happening but I didn't poke it in time. :v




Back to Jack
Quick post right now for the key material.  I'll answer questions next, after my tea.

I think it's time for me to partially claim.

As I said yesterday, "I just handle the law." (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7031899#msg7031899)  In fact, I am the law.

I am Canadian Criminal Code s. 49 (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-7.html#h-14), the crime of alarming the Queen.  I have a day action that assigns the title of Queen of Canada to someone (Tiruin), a night action I won't reveal right now, and an auto.  Once per phase (except LYLO day phases), if the Queen would be hammered or killed (which would surely alarm her), the hammerer or killer is instead thrown into Canadian Jail.  Hammerers lose their vote for the rest of the day (but we never hammer here, so that's fine), and killers are blocked.

I had a hunch, when we woke up with no dead, that someone tried to kill Tiruin.  On a lark, I decided to ask around to see if anyone was thrown into Canadian Jail.

Jack, did you throw me in Canadian Jail specifically or is it randomised?
HOLY SHIT THIS ACTUALLY WORKED

NQT, would you care to explain to us why you tried to kill Tiruin last night and then lied about it today?
If I had that meme of a person expressing inner peace (what with the hands thing and the face thing), I'd be doing it to a personification of tea and the Queen here, because this post had me all Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Mhmm.
That said, I'm a protector :3 Fair coincidence that I'm now being protected--I can sacrifice my potential to protect once every cycle to shotgun everyone with a protection.
Also what was your first impression of this thing with Jack, 4mask?
While I am amused (You have amused the Queen.), I am still curious--Jack has a splendid way with words that I still am not considering this void of innocence given the audacity of his claim (and his partial claim which seems to be disconnected to pushing an idea impactfully--although it does add to plausible information)


But let's get down to business (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64).
Jack: What prompted you to target NQT?
NQT: What prompted you to target me?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?

In hindsight, this is by far the only game where I've seen someone ask 'anyone got info on being jailed' -> "Yes" (no questioning why), and then the lead is followed by itself.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 11:03:32 pm
@Tiruin:Define "shotgun everyone with a protection" a bit?

I want to know whether I should be worrying.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 11:06:58 pm
Also, considering that it seems rather beyond doubt that NQT tried to kill Tiruin last night by their own admission, NQT.

The interesting thing is, there has to be more than one roleblocker, or a multi-targeter. 

I'm kind of surprised at that.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: griffinpup on June 09, 2016, 11:10:37 pm
Turian:
griffin
JACK:  Well BHK's role is a little more outlined now, but it looked like he was a blindfolded guy running around with a shotgun and candy.  If he is a blindfolded guy with a shotgun and candy, then he'd be the most costless town to lynch, and a useful mafia kill.  He's apparently a little bit different then that, though, so keeping him around might be a good idea.  I'm not undecided though.
Dem words, yo.
What makes him a useful Mafia kill here?
Woozy:  Why are you rolefishing?... To pretty much everyone in the game??  Except... Dues Asmoth... Who you also subtly defended...
So FoS'ing me that I'm missing questions is rolefishing? :P
This is more to humor your 'everyone' but I'm interested if you have the time.
1.  When is killing a mafia not useful?
2. No, asking everyone their role/what they were doing last night is rolefishing :P
Not sure how to humor you, not sure what you're asking.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 09, 2016, 11:14:12 pm
BHK
BHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?
Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :P
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?
Alright, some more information. I draw a random three cards from my "deck" holding 11 Major Arcana Tarot Cards, and use them to read someone's fate, which gives different effects for the three nights after the reading, depending on the card I drew. For you I drew The Empress, The High Priestess, and Death, in that order. Due to The Empress's design, it's effect will take place on Night 3 alongside The High Priestess. I'm not stating the effects of the two until they take action. Death, however, if you are town, was a very bad card to draw. On Night 4, when Death kicks in, you will be immediately killed, bypassing all redirections, protections, or any other actions that could otherwise interfere with a kill and it's intended target. It is, however, not considered a kill action, for some reason. This is why I'm telling you to make the most of the time you have for the game.

I targeted you because you becoming queen and all that would naturally warrant an investigation due to the attention, and if you turned up mafia, we would remove you from the game before any beneficial card effects took place, which made you a safe target.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 11:16:49 pm
@griffinpup:Mafia kill is used to refer to the Mafia's nightkill.  You were probably looking for 'scummy'.  Although the possibility of a Freudian typo or something merits a FoS.

Also griffinpup: Why and how are you able to be so specific with your assessment of BHK's role?  Except you aren't.  Ninjas.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Jack A T on June 09, 2016, 11:22:38 pm
Tiruin: I did not target NQT (in fact, I did not take any action last night), and the partial claim is quite connected to the point about NQT.
Essentially:
*Yesterday, I made you Queen of Canada.  This, as noted in my partial claim, comes with some protection.
*Importantly, those who try to kill you have their kills fail (well, once per phase), as they are placed in Canadian jail.
*Canadian jail shows up in night flavour as, well, Canadian jail (as understood by the killer's in-flavour character).
*We had no death last night.  I had a hunch that someone might have tried to kill you.
*On a lark, I asked if anyone had been thrown into Canadian jail.
*NQT basically said that he had been thrown into Canadian jail, asking me whether his Canadian jailing was random or my specific decision.
NQT was thrown into Canadian jail last night, by his own admission.  This means he tried to kill you last night, and failed.  There was no successful scumkill last night.

I wonder what happened.

How did I what now?  I didn't miss their claimed action, I tried to confirm yesterday's claim that it was RNG-based before day started.
TBF: BHK claimed earlier today (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039090#msg7039090) that he had hit Tiruin with some RNG-based tarot card thing.  There was a whole big discussion about it and stuff.
Also, considering that it seems rather beyond doubt that NQT tried to kill Tiruin last night by their own admission, NQT.
This is...huh?  I mean, I agree from my POV, but huh?  Do I look like a confirmed townie to you?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 11:29:37 pm
@Jack:Yes, you do.

@Jack:Yes, and I was talking about my night action, which got blocked somehow.

Jack:There's been some inconsistency on this point:Is it one kill per person per phase, or one kill per phase that is blocked by Canadian Jail?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 09, 2016, 11:29:49 pm
On one hand, I don't think NQT would just fall for that.
On the other hand, it's simple enough for an advanced player to overlook.

So, I'll just vote NQT, and read Jack's fate if he rolls mafia, because what are the odds I'm going to draw a card with a 9.09% chance of being drawn twice in a row?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Jack A T on June 09, 2016, 11:31:38 pm
(1)@Jack:Yes, you do.
(2)Jack:There's been some inconsistency on this point:Is it one kill per person per phase, or one kill per phase that is blocked by Canadian Jail?
TBF:
1. ...Why?
2. The entire auto can trigger only once per phase.  One kill or one hammer.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 11:35:00 pm
@Jack, again:Well.  You don't really, you could be scumteam with Tiruin, but I doubt this for some reason.  Possibly because I'm unused to Tiruin as possibly EEEEEEEEVVVVVVVIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL, but Tiruin ANNOUNCED their Queen-ness openly for no discernible benefit scumwise.  It would have been much better to hide it if you got an auto that blocked a vigilante Townie murdercating you.

Per day, then reset for once per night?  Or per cycle?  I just answered my own question, nevermind.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Jack A T on June 09, 2016, 11:38:23 pm
Wait.

BHK (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040678#msg7040678), Griffinpup (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7038607#msg7038607), TheBiggerFish (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040652#msg7040652), Tiruin (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039075#msg7039075), and I (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039754#msg7039754) are all voting for NQT.

Nobody's coming up in votecounts as a double-voter.  5 of 9 votes, a majority.  We've got hammer.

FallacyofUrist: Please confirm whether BHK just hammered.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: griffinpup on June 09, 2016, 11:39:38 pm
@griffinpup:Mafia kill is used to refer to the Mafia's nightkill.  You were probably looking for 'scummy'.  Although the possibility of a Freudian typo or something merits a FoS.

Also griffinpup: Why and how are you able to be so specific with your assessment of BHK's role?  Except you aren't.  Ninjas.
My phrasing was non-specific. I'll agree with that.  But...  You could at least do me the courtesy of responding to my posts...
@griffinpup:It's also true.  Although I can't prove it to you, which is the problem.  I mean, I could prove it to myself but that wouldn't do anything.
What are you talking about?
@griffinpup, how did I defend Deus? I gave my reason for being suspicious of him.
The Deus Asmoth thing seems to be reaching for me, but there is some merit in it.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Tiruin on June 09, 2016, 11:40:34 pm
@Tiruin:Define "shotgun everyone with a protection" a bit?

I want to know whether I should be worrying.
I can either use my ability once every cycle, or use its alternative (make that ability into a one-shot) to have it apply to everyone.
So, shotgun. :P

PFP because I'm not feeling that well (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=42204.msg7040683#msg7040683)

BHK
BHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?
Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :P
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?
Alright, some more information. I draw a random three cards from my "deck" holding 11 Major Arcana Tarot Cards, and use them to read someone's fate, which gives different effects for the three nights after the reading, depending on the card I drew. For you I drew The Empress, The High Priestess, and Death, in that order. Due to The Empress's design, it's effect will take place on Night 3 alongside The High Priestess. I'm not stating the effects of the two until they take action. Death, however, if you are town, was a very bad card to draw. On Night 4, when Death kicks in, you will be immediately killed, bypassing all redirections, protections, or any other actions that could otherwise interfere with a kill and it's intended target. It is, however, not considered a kill action, for some reason. This is why I'm telling you to make the most of the time you have for the game.

I targeted you because you becoming queen and all that would naturally warrant an investigation due to the attention, and if you turned up mafia, we would remove you from the game before any beneficial card effects took place, which made you a safe target.
Does this mean you know what the effects are?
Also welp. Guess that means I'm shotgunning everyone on N3. :v Since I already said it's a protect and scum know I'm a protector, either taking me out now or blocking me N3 shall be the plan. Unless you're scum, BHK--but that's possible both ways here.

...So, lead poisoning flavor? I know people can PM Fallacy for flavor requests (as I've done in my games :P)

@Jack, again:Well.  You don't really, you could be scumteam with Tiruin, but I doubt this for some reason.  Possibly because I'm unused to Tiruin as possibly EEEEEEEEVVVVVVVIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL, but Tiruin ANNOUNCED their Queen-ness openly for no discernible benefit scumwise.  It would have been much better to hide it if you got an auto that blocked a vigilante Townie murdercating you.

Per day, then reset for once per night?  Or per cycle?  I just answered my own question, nevermind.
♥ you too dude.

Wait.

BHK (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040678#msg7040678), Griffinpup (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7038607#msg7038607), TheBiggerFish (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040652#msg7040652), Tiruin (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039075#msg7039075), and I (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039754#msg7039754) are all voting for NQT.

Nobody's coming up in votecounts as a double-voter.  5 of 9 votes, a majority.  We've got hammer.

FallacyofUrist: Please confirm whether BHK just hammered.
...Well if it's a hammer, I can't save people with my Timezones ability :I Harrumph!
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 09, 2016, 11:44:50 pm
BHK
BHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?
Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :P
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?
Alright, some more information. I draw a random three cards from my "deck" holding 11 Major Arcana Tarot Cards, and use them to read someone's fate, which gives different effects for the three nights after the reading, depending on the card I drew. For you I drew The Empress, The High Priestess, and Death, in that order. Due to The Empress's design, it's effect will take place on Night 3 alongside The High Priestess. I'm not stating the effects of the two until they take action. Death, however, if you are town, was a very bad card to draw. On Night 4, when Death kicks in, you will be immediately killed, bypassing all redirections, protections, or any other actions that could otherwise interfere with a kill and it's intended target. It is, however, not considered a kill action, for some reason. This is why I'm telling you to make the most of the time you have for the game.

I targeted you because you becoming queen and all that would naturally warrant an investigation due to the attention, and if you turned up mafia, we would remove you from the game before any beneficial card effects took place, which made you a safe target.
Does this mean you know what the effects are?
Also welp. Guess that means I'm shotgunning everyone on N3. :v Since I already said it's a protect and scum know I'm a protector, either taking me out now or blocking me N3 shall be the plan. Unless you're scum, BHK--but that's possible both ways here.

...So, lead poisoning flavor? I know people can PM Fallacy for flavor requests (as I've done in my games :P)

I am aware of every effect each card has. I do have a plan, if Fallacy tells me it works.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 09, 2016, 11:59:12 pm
Hey Fallacy: In what order are night actions processed?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: notquitethere on June 10, 2016, 02:32:53 am
I've double-checked the OP and it states nothing about not talking after a hammer (which makes sense given the secret hammer system), so I'll take the opportunity to do so.

1. I'm town and you're all bad people for lynching me.
2. I blocked Tiruin last night and was blocked myself.
3. Blocking actions can't be blocked in this game.
4. I'm immune to one night kill.
5. Deus Asmoth indicated that scum's target survived their kill attempt.
6. This makes me think that either Deus tried to kill me, or someone who was blocked (including Tiruin) was the killer.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Tiruin on June 10, 2016, 02:38:30 am
I've double-checked the OP and it states nothing about not talking after a hammer (which makes sense given the secret hammer system), so I'll take the opportunity to do so.

1. I'm town and you're all bad people for lynching me.
2. I blocked Tiruin last night and was blocked myself.
3. Blocking actions can't be blocked in this game.
4. I'm immune to one night kill.
5. Deus Asmoth indicated that scum's target survived their kill attempt.
6. This makes me think that either Deus tried to kill me, or someone who was blocked (including Tiruin) was the killer.

...Could I extendedly ask on one point:
Tiruin, there was no kill last night. I learned that someone had blocked you. This makes you suspect #2.

But suspect #1 is:

Deus Asmoth
So, no deaths. A cult seems like it would be against the flavour of the game comsidering how much our host wants us to kill each other, so presumably we have some kind of doctor/bulletproof person.
This seems really telling to me, as it's all from the perspective of someone that tried to kill but their target survived. You don't consider the scum being blocked or choosing not to kill and you dismiss a cult. Who did you try to kill so unsuccessfully, Deus?
If this is pretty much your suspicions, why is there a big leap of contrast here? "Suspect 1. Suspect 2." It's like there's a finality with how you check out your suspects because of your actions--and yet assuming kills.

PFP
You didn't even go into the 'Expound on why you targeted that dude' <_<
I feel eegnorrd. rawrrr I:
3. Blocking actions can't be blocked in this game.
4. I'm immune to one night kill.
5. Deus Asmoth indicated that scum's target survived their kill attempt.
6. This makes me think that either Deus tried to kill me, or someone who was blocked (including Tiruin) was the killer.
As far as I know, all roleblocks happen at the same time--so a roleblocker can be blocked. You blocking me does not conform to ALERTING THE QUEEN (it's just like a pedestrian in the way, they just delay the person while the Queen shows utmost respect to them and asks to move--she's delayed a bit but no pressure to her soul).
Next off: Deus Asmoth's 'indicator' requires more findings. What do you see into what he's saying that ups its validity score by a lot?

Next: Why you? #6
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Tiruin on June 10, 2016, 03:26:20 am
BHK
BHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?
Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :P
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?
Alright, some more information. I draw a random three cards from my "deck" holding 11 Major Arcana Tarot Cards, and use them to read someone's fate, which gives different effects for the three nights after the reading, depending on the card I drew. For you I drew The Empress, The High Priestess, and Death, in that order. Due to The Empress's design, it's effect will take place on Night 3 alongside The High Priestess. I'm not stating the effects of the two until they take action. Death, however, if you are town, was a very bad card to draw. On Night 4, when Death kicks in, you will be immediately killed, bypassing all redirections, protections, or any other actions that could otherwise interfere with a kill and it's intended target. It is, however, not considered a kill action, for some reason. This is why I'm telling you to make the most of the time you have for the game.

I targeted you because you becoming queen and all that would naturally warrant an investigation due to the attention, and if you turned up mafia, we would remove you from the game before any beneficial card effects took place, which made you a safe target.
Also as an aside, I still suspect you--albeit in a very interesting specimen kind of perception :I
Wooow look at these Major Arcana lists! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Arcana)

PFP
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: notquitethere on June 10, 2016, 03:35:24 am
Tiruin, I have mod confirmation that blocking can't be blocked. It's to avoid paradox. As a dead man, I'm not going to lie about this.

I explained my reasoning in that numbered list. You were suspicious because I blocked you and there was no kill. Deus was also suspicious because he seemed to indicate scum hadn't been blocked, but rather had tried to kill me (or someone else nk-immune) and failed. Given that I know scum failing to kill due to targeting me (and me being an obvious target for a kill), Deus's wording jumped out as suspicious. Hence why I'm voting him.

I blocked Tiruin last night as she had voted me and seemed most likely to target me with an action.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 10, 2016, 03:48:29 am
NQT: How do you reconcile the fact that Jack claims his specific roleblock is triggered by kill attempts on the queen and specifically blocks the killer, you all but claiming to have been put in Canadian jail, and your own claim of having roleblocked Tiruin?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: notquitethere on June 10, 2016, 03:59:53 am
I was being misleading about Canadian Jail (which is unfortunate as it seems to have led to my death). My flavour doesn't mention anything about Canada. I was trying to draw more info out by pretending to be successfully blocked. Dumb plan as it happens.

But it could have been that! My block kills if I use it on the same person two nights in a row. So it depends on the wording of his power/how Fallacy is implementing it.

I'm a dead man and town, there's no point me lying about any of this.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: notquitethere on June 10, 2016, 04:04:14 am
This all goes to show that you shouldn't leap to conclusions and quickhammer someone before giving them time to explain and if town lose this it'll be your own damn fault.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Tiruin on June 10, 2016, 04:08:19 am
Hmm...in deference to the hammer, I'll snip out the post I was to write for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Tiruin on June 10, 2016, 04:09:40 am
And then I forgot to preview :v

This all goes to show that you shouldn't leap to conclusions and quickhammer someone before giving them time to explain and if town lose this it'll be your own damn fault.
If that was the case--I'd ask BHK to state what his tarot cards actually do, because you're only working on open conclusions--or rather, those that acted.

I was being misleading about Canadian Jail (which is unfortunate as it seems to have led to my death). My flavour doesn't mention anything about Canada. I was trying to draw more info out by pretending to be successfully blocked. Dumb plan as it happens.

But it could have been that! My block kills if I use it on the same person two nights in a row. So it depends on the wording of his power/how Fallacy is implementing it.

I'm a dead man and town, there's no point me lying about any of this.
And yet you do mention jail?
I don't know how misleading means.
Jack, did you throw me in Canadian Jail specifically or is it randomised?
Because that's some precise wording.

However it does draw the case towards that quick vote--inasmuch as I'd like to say,
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: notquitethere on June 10, 2016, 04:22:25 am
The thing is, I knew I had a failed block attempt against me. Jack was claiming people might have been blocked by Canadian Jail (and I might have been) so I tried to draw more info out of him. That only made him jump to the wrong conclusion about it.

I wanted to pretend to be successfully jailed to fool scum into thinking that that was why a kill against me failed.

As you'll all soon see, I am town, and am not responsible for the night kill. Prominent possibilities:

1. Deus Asmoth or his ally tried to kill me but failed due to my one-shot NK immunity
2. Tiruin's kill was blocked by me.
3. TBF was blocked trying to kill Tiruin.

If you lynch Deus first and he flips town, then one of TBF or Tiruin should be scum.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Jack A T on June 10, 2016, 05:22:43 am
What.

So, basically, just to be clear: after being hit with a block with flavour that had nothing to do with Canada and doesn't even seem to have anything to do with jails, NQT decided to claim to have been thrown into Canadian jail.  It was public knowledge at the time that Canadian jail had pretty specific flavour: a Canadian jail as understood by the blockee's in-flavour character.  NQT claims the Canadian jailing to try to get information from me about his block that lacks Canadian jail flavour (and to confuse scum), and in the process unknowingly claims to have tried to kill Tiruin.

And then I see this and leap to the conclusion that the player claiming to have been hit with a Canadian jail-flavoured action failure was in fact hit with a Canadian jail-flavoured action failure, with all the inferences that must be made from that.  From there, because letting NQT respond is overrated (and/or requires too much attention to the votecount) (doubt he'd have survived anyway), we reach a rare B12 hammer.

I think I'm getting this right.

NQT, please tell me that the block on you at least had something flavour-wise to do with jails.

Per day, then reset for once per night?  Or per cycle?  I just answered my own question, nevermind.
TBF: Per phase.  Phase: one section of the cycle (one day is a phase, one night is a phase).
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: notquitethere on June 10, 2016, 05:48:07 am
I didn't get any flavour for the block because it failed. Fallacy was a gent and told me about it but that's it. No one else is claiming to have blocked me, so either scum were to blame for it or I genuinely was effected by the block because my power can kill if used twice in a row.

Or you could be lying about how it works.

Clearly given all the info I've just relayed (possibly solving the game) letting me respond wouldn't have been overrated.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Wozzy on June 10, 2016, 07:10:48 am
...three pages later.

Page 14:

@4mask (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039705#msg7039705) I guess? I mean, if you ask me "Who did you target last night?" I would say "No one." You wouldn't know if that meant I didn't take an action, or if I used an action on myself/everyone. If you ask "What did you do last night?" I would say, "I didn't use an action."

You could also say, "None of your business," which is basically what you did in so many words.


Page 15:

@griffinpup (http://htho://.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039752#msg7039752) Even after you edited my comment, I'm still not defending him. I literally said, "I can see why you are suspicous of him." And then in the part you edited out, I gave my own reason for him being suspicious.

And I'm not role-fishing everyone, I'm role-fishing you.

While you aren't responsible for TDS's embarassingly low activity, you are responsible  for his partial claims. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7027469#msg7027469) If you aren't able to support this "claim," TDS was obviously lying, which means you lied.

@Jack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039788#msg7039788) I didn't know what "PFP" meant (still don't, though I assume it has to do with saying "I'm alive, there's just too much going on for me to respond." Once she posted, I was satisfied. Un-FoS (that's a thing, right?)

Role-fishing is one thing, asking for actions is another. Getting people to say "I didn't do anything, mind your own buisness, or I targeted x" is my goal. The only reason I'm role-fishing griffinpup is because I have something that sounds like a good reason, but I guess it could wait until tomorrow.

@Tiruin (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040636#msg7040636) (I've heard plenty of "Fuzzy-Wozzy" parodies, so is a widely accepted thought)

Looking at my reply to Jack, you'll see that I didn't know what PFP meant, so you weren't avoiding questions, you were just busy! It wasn't my question towards you, it was everyone else's.


FoS on BHK for attempting to hammer 9 hours before the deadline, especially if they turn up town.

Can y'all not vote willy nilly next time, and just use FoS? I mean, that was 3 votes on NQT that could have easily been an FoS instead, because Jack didn't even show his proof until afterwards. It's that fucking simple. Thankfully, we at least managed to get all the info we needed from him. I want to clarify that I'm not upset that he's dead (let's face it, we would have ended up lynching him because he dug his own grave), but when there's a chance this might happen to someone who actually doesn't deserve to get lynched, I'm gonna be pretty peeved.

Sorry about the edit. I figured since you have timestamps, everyone could see it was just two minutes later.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 10, 2016, 08:47:49 am
BHK
BHK: So, if you don't mind telling us, why did you specifically target Tiruin knowing that whatever this is could happen?
Because that outcome was a less than 10 percent chance. At least Death's effect won't kick in until the end of Night 4, and the other two effects are fine.
Y'know this subtly tells me that this action isn't a separate action--it's an action that has multiple effects happening after you use it, with a chance % of such an effect happening. :P
...SHALL I DIE BY LEAD POISONING NOW?!
Are you aware of the outcome that happened?
BHK: What prompted you to target me?
Alright, some more information. I draw a random three cards from my "deck" holding 11 Major Arcana Tarot Cards, and use them to read someone's fate, which gives different effects for the three nights after the reading, depending on the card I drew. For you I drew The Empress, The High Priestess, and Death, in that order. Due to The Empress's design, it's effect will take place on Night 3 alongside The High Priestess. I'm not stating the effects of the two until they take action. Death, however, if you are town, was a very bad card to draw. On Night 4, when Death kicks in, you will be immediately killed, bypassing all redirections, protections, or any other actions that could otherwise interfere with a kill and it's intended target. It is, however, not considered a kill action, for some reason. This is why I'm telling you to make the most of the time you have for the game.

I targeted you because you becoming queen and all that would naturally warrant an investigation due to the attention, and if you turned up mafia, we would remove you from the game before any beneficial card effects took place, which made you a safe target.
Does this mean you know what the effects are?
Also welp. Guess that means I'm shotgunning everyone on N3. :v Since I already said it's a protect and scum know I'm a protector, either taking me out now or blocking me N3 shall be the plan. Unless you're scum, BHK--but that's possible both ways here.

...So, lead poisoning flavor? I know people can PM Fallacy for flavor requests (as I've done in my games :P)

I am aware of every effect each card has. I do have a plan, if Fallacy tells me it works.
Guess not. Sorry, Tiruin. Night 4 it is.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 10, 2016, 08:58:44 am
I've double-checked the OP and it states nothing about not talking after a hammer (which makes sense given the secret hammer system), so I'll take the opportunity to do so.
... okay, it's okay to talk until the day's closed.
You are, however, dead. If I'm right.
BHK (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040678#msg7040678), Griffinpup (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7038607#msg7038607), TheBiggerFish (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040652#msg7040652), Tiruin (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039075#msg7039075), and I (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039754#msg7039754) are all voting for NQT.

Nobody's coming up in votecounts as a double-voter.  5 of 9 votes, a majority.  We've got hammer.
FallacyofUrist: Please confirm whether BHK just hammered.
Your links look okay to me.
...
~~~
"HA! HAAAA! DIE!"

Votecount Initiating.

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(1): [notquitethere]
griffinpup(0): []
TheBiggerFish(1): [4maskwolf]
notquitethere(5): [griffinpup, Tiruin, Jack A T, TheBiggerFish, BlackHeartKabal]
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

((As always, please correct me if I got any part of the vote count wrong.))

"That's a wrap! Take him out, L.Y.N.C.H.!!!

The L.Y.N.C.H. vibrates softly, then emits a harpoon of energy from its screen, promptly impacting notquitethere. With a wrenching sound, a huge amount of energy is pulled from the God of Misfortune's corpse.

Analysis follows.

notquitethere was a God of Misfortune(town)
(Night): Unfortunate Accident [target]: Your target slips on a banana peel and smashes their head or equivalent into a wall, knocking them out and hence blocking them. If you successfully use this on a given target two nights in a row, in addition to the blocking, it will also kill them. Blunt force trauma. Simple, yet effective.
(1-Shot, Auto): Disaster Aversion: When you would be hit by a kill action, it’s redirected to a random player other than you. This ability only works once, unfortunately.

~~~
Night 2 has begun. Night 2 will end... 5:48 P.M. central/forum time on Saturday(assuming I got my math right, please correct me via PM if I didn't), assuming I don't receive all the actions I need first. If you do not intend to act, please tell me so.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Night 2: DEATH! JOY!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 11, 2016, 06:17:42 pm
Processing night actions.
Preemptive warning: no deaths.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 11, 2016, 06:56:12 pm
"Why, why, WHY are you all still alive? At least the god of misfortune's still dead... blast it. Why must you live?"

Votecount Initiating.

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(0): []
TheBiggerFish(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

((As always, please correct me if I got any part of the vote count wrong.))

Null groans under his breath, then teleports away, leaving you all in a fancy french restaurant. Aboard a ship? Anyway...

Day 3 has begun. Courtesy of a future lack of internet access on my part for one week, it will end June 21. Some time June 21.

((I figured just extending the day for a massive duration would be preferable to putting the game on hiatus. This way you have plenty of time to lynch somebody.))
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 11, 2016, 07:18:04 pm
Well that's odd.  Anyone got any ideas why this keeps happening?

Not that I'm complaining, mind, but it's strange.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 11, 2016, 07:21:32 pm
Off topic: FallacyofUrist, do you debate??  :P
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 11, 2016, 07:24:23 pm
I tried to read Jack's tarot. I then got redirected to myself, and tried to read my own tarot, but then I was redirected again to Tiruin, which would have failed anyway, because I already read her, but I didn't try because I was finally redirected to Deus Asmoth.

The Sun, The Fool, The Hermit.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 11, 2016, 07:29:37 pm
What the flying skeletal carp?

That's...1, 2, 3 redirects at once?  Yikes.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 11, 2016, 07:52:49 pm
Just popping in to say that I will not be active this weekend.  Busy time, exam prep, etc.  Should be back Monday afternoon.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 11, 2016, 08:53:55 pm
Off topic: FallacyofUrist, do you debate??  :P
((I'm curious as to what would make you think that. My answer: I don't debate(though I would like to).))
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2016, 04:10:39 am
PFP
We've a scum redirector (or an unclaimed redirector :v [I'm redirected both days; also claiming a protect--I protected Jack A T both days; got redirected on N2 to 4mask, got redirected to NQT on N1 {also blocked}. N2 had the protect go through though) and Jack A T is town given the intense deliberation between him and NQT.

Also I got reenergized and can perform an extra action for this cycle. :V (Dohohoho. Useful. >>)

I believe today can be a good day for massclaiming. :P But here are my thoughts in brevity.
Well that's odd.  Anyone got any ideas why this keeps happening?

Not that I'm complaining, mind, but it's strange.
I'd be surprised if you're scum.
Just popping in to say that I will not be active this weekend.  Busy time, exam prep, etc.  Should be back Monday afternoon.
Wishing you well \o (have thesisworks myself and thus am real busy). Also that proponent slip back in D2 gets me sure to say that yer town :v

I tried to read Jack's tarot. I then got redirected to myself, and tried to read my own tarot, but then I was redirected again to Tiruin, which would have failed anyway, because I already read her, but I didn't try because I was finally redirected to Deus Asmoth.

The Sun, The Fool, The Hermit.
Double redirect? I'm very suspicious of you but not enough to border you as a particular scum target--however there is always the notion that the Mafiakill {team allotted Mafia-aligned kill} is a night action given to the Mafia team, and the Mafia may not even have committed the teamkill but acted on their own abilities; which draws my suspicions foward.
But I'm curious about you--is it stated that once you tarot-read someone, your actions fail on them everytime after?

Deus: Report on your tarot read please.

Current suspect list consists of:
Wozzy, 4mask, griffin {TDS}, and DA.
Which shall probably change maybe after I thought about this more in a non-Sunday day.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 12, 2016, 05:44:49 am
The only thing I got in my night result that might be related to BHK's action is that my ribs and bones in general were painful last night, which doesn't seem very related to the normal tarot reading for those three cards.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 12, 2016, 08:04:54 am
I tried to read Jack's tarot. I then got redirected to myself, and tried to read my own tarot, but then I was redirected again to Tiruin, which would have failed anyway, because I already read her, but I didn't try because I was finally redirected to Deus Asmoth.

The Sun, The Fool, The Hermit.
Double redirect? I'm very suspicious of you but not enough to border you as a particular scum target--however there is always the notion that the Mafiakill {team allotted Mafia-aligned kill} is a night action given to the Mafia team, and the Mafia may not even have committed the teamkill but acted on their own abilities; which draws my suspicions foward.
But I'm curious about you--is it stated that once you tarot-read someone, your actions fail on them everytime after?
No, triple redirect. Also, yes, I can only tarot read a person once.
I went to Jack A T, fell through the ground, woke up with amnesia, wounds, and the smell of alcohol, then went to my house, got flashed with color, was dazed by it, followed it to Tiruin, then had a massive gap in my memory in between for some reason not going to Tiruin and actually visiting Deus Asmoth.

Oh, I also ran into a ball of fire that created a quicktopic link between me and someone who's identity I do not know.

The only thing I got in my night result that might be related to BHK's action is that my ribs and bones in general were painful last night, which doesn't seem very related to the normal tarot reading for those three cards.
They aren't related to the cards at all, since the cards effects occur over the next three days. The only bad card in that drawing is The Fool, since it's effect is that of another, random card.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 12, 2016, 12:30:23 pm
Everyone who targeted Jack got randomized last night because of me.  I hit Jack with one of my limited-use abilities that caused all powers targeting him to be redirected.  That was a one-shot power, and I did not take action on Night One.  I have no idea where all the other redirects are coming from.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 12, 2016, 12:33:20 pm
EBWOP: Powers targeting Jack were redirected randomly.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 12, 2016, 05:05:25 pm
BHK, why did you decide to hammer NQT rather than waiting for his response to Jack?

Also, would I be right in guessing that the Hermit is some kind of jailing ability?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 12, 2016, 05:39:57 pm
BHK, why did you decide to hammer NQT rather than waiting for his response to Jack?

Also, would I be right in guessing that the Hermit is some kind of jailing ability?
I just saw his "I'm town, you'll regret this" defense as a last ditch effort as clear scum caught out. I didn't think there was going to be anything truthful or of worth in his response.
Also, no, but a hermit is typically a wise person.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Wozzy on June 13, 2016, 07:18:12 am
Tiruin I give up. What does PFP mean? I also want to know why think Jack is town because he "deliberated" with NQT after he got hammered.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 07:37:24 pm
Honestly I've been wondering what PFP means for a while myself.  There ought to be an acronym dictionary.

But we're getting off on an irrelevant tangent here.

A wise person, BHK?  A truthteller, maybe?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 13, 2016, 07:41:38 pm
A wise person, BHK?  A truthteller, maybe?
They won't have much of a problem discerning a single lie from truth.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 07:42:52 pm
Ah.

Chronological, or targeted?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 13, 2016, 07:43:38 pm
One use, targeted.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 07:44:06 pm
Nice.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 13, 2016, 08:09:13 pm
"PFP means Post From Phone, I'm pretty sure."
~~~
Votecount Initiating:

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(0): []
TheBiggerFish(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

((As always, please correct me if I got any part of the vote count wrong. But I'm pretty sure I'm right in this case...))

Soup is served. And Null Nevermore wonders: "Is everybody here a pacifist or something? I mean, nobody's voting..."
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 13, 2016, 08:10:43 pm
((I'm curious as to what would make you think that. My answer: I don't debate(though I would like to).))
Oh just that this week there's a big debate tournament going on.  Just a shot in the dark. 
Woozy:
Quote from: Wozzy link=topic=156890.msg7040970#msg7040970
And I'm not role-fishing everyone, I'm role-fishing [b
you[/b].

While you aren't responsible for TDS's embarassingly low activity, you are responsible  for his partial claims. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7027469#msg7027469) If you aren't able to support this "claim," TDS was obviously lying, which means you lied.
... Lemme try again.  Asking people what actions they did in a night is rolefishing.  I mean that's not that big of a leap.  Why are you so interested in specific roles??  Or, (if you maintain the fiction that you only care about mine) Why are you focusing on my specific role?

My role is a random redirect.  Big freakin deal

BHK
So, I'll just vote NQT, and read Jack's fate if he rolls mafia, because what are the odds I'm going to draw a card with a 9.09% chance of being drawn twice in a row?
You sound really chill about 'just vote'ing NQT.  Why did you hammer him without giving him time to respond? Even more interesting...
I tried to read Jack's tarot.
Why did you try to read Jack's tarot after you said that you would only do that if NQT flipped scum??
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 08:12:42 pm
Oh hi.

Everybody:Scumspects?  Anybody?

@griffinpup:Define 'random'.  Like, random targets on both ends?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 13, 2016, 08:16:37 pm
BHK
So, I'll just vote NQT, and read Jack's fate if he rolls mafia, because what are the odds I'm going to draw a card with a 9.09% chance of being drawn twice in a row?
You sound really chill about 'just vote'ing NQT.  Why did you hammer him without giving him time to respond? Even more interesting...

I tried to read Jack's tarot.
Why did you try to read Jack's tarot after you said that you would only do that if NQT flipped scum??
1. Of course I'm chill about hammering someone I think is mafia. And I've already explicitly said that I hammered him without listening to what he had to say because his "You'll regret it" 'defense' confirmed him as scum to me.

2. I forgot the reason why I said I wasn't going to read Jack's tarot, which was the only thing keeping me from wanting to read him. The three redirects made it irrelevant, however.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 13, 2016, 08:32:24 pm
BHK
BHK
So, I'll just vote NQT, and read Jack's fate if he rolls mafia, because what are the odds I'm going to draw a card with a 9.09% chance of being drawn twice in a row?
You sound really chill about 'just vote'ing NQT.  Why did you hammer him without giving him time to respond? Even more interesting...

I tried to read Jack's tarot.
Why did you try to read Jack's tarot after you said that you would only do that if NQT flipped scum??
1. Of course I'm chill about hammering someone I think is mafia. And I've already explicitly said that I hammered him without listening to what he had to say because his "You'll regret it" 'defense' confirmed him as scum to me.

2. I forgot the reason why I said I wasn't going to read Jack's tarot, which was the only thing keeping me from wanting to read him. The three redirects made it irrelevant, however.
1.  You hammered him before he said anything... You didn't wait for a "you'll regret it" defense.  That's the whole point.
Why are you lying?
2.  Then why did you choose him?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 13, 2016, 08:41:36 pm
BHK
BHK
So, I'll just vote NQT, and read Jack's fate if he rolls mafia, because what are the odds I'm going to draw a card with a 9.09% chance of being drawn twice in a row?
You sound really chill about 'just vote'ing NQT.  Why did you hammer him without giving him time to respond? Even more interesting...

I tried to read Jack's tarot.
Why did you try to read Jack's tarot after you said that you would only do that if NQT flipped scum??
1. Of course I'm chill about hammering someone I think is mafia. And I've already explicitly said that I hammered him without listening to what he had to say because his "You'll regret it" 'defense' confirmed him as scum to me.

2. I forgot the reason why I said I wasn't going to read Jack's tarot, which was the only thing keeping me from wanting to read him. The three redirects made it irrelevant, however.
1.  You hammered him before he said anything... You didn't wait for a "you'll regret it" defense.  That's the whole point.
Why are you lying?
2.  Then why did you choose him?
1. I simply didn't know the amount of votes needed for a hammer that day. The "You'll regret it" defense generally isn't posted after a hammer by anyone, so I assumed he said it before I hammered. I'm above lying about personal things to win a mind game.

2. I forgot the reason why I didn't want to. With no reason not to choose him, I chose him, simple as that.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 08:49:32 pm
...

I am very suspicious of BHK with the purple defense there.  I mean, seriously?  Trading on character as a defense in a game where one's modus operandi should be 'assume everybody's lying until proven otherwise'?  And denigrating the game you're playing at the same time.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 13, 2016, 08:54:30 pm
...

I am very suspicious of BHK with the purple defense there.  I mean, seriously?  Trading on character as a defense in a game where one's modus operandi should be 'assume everybody's lying until proven otherwise'?  And denigrating the game you're playing at the same time.
I've dealt with people who lied about being busy with events or personal things and then betrayed that trust just to win. It's cheesy, gamey, and annoying. If griffinpup didn't accuse me of doing something like that, then okay, sorry, but I'm not going to agree with anyone who defends behavior like that.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 08:57:25 pm
Oh.

Yeah, that's just kinda cheaty.  Also not what griffinpup said, so I'm still kinda confused here.  Meh.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 13, 2016, 09:01:40 pm
Also not what griffinpup said
Then we have no problem.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 13, 2016, 09:07:58 pm
1. I simply didn't know the amount of votes needed for a hammer that day. The "You'll regret it" defense generally isn't posted after a hammer by anyone, so I assumed he said it before I hammered. I'm above lying about personal things to win a mind game.

2. I forgot the reason why I didn't want to. With no reason not to choose him, I chose him, simple as that.
1. Why did you tell me that you hammered him because you didn't buy his defense then?? So you just decided to vote NQT, cuz you 'forgot' that your vote was the hammer vote.  And when you got asked, your excuse wasn't that you forgot, your excuse was that you didn't by his "you'll regret" speech.  So why are you changing your story now? Oh, good to know.  Are you mafia?
2. Your decision to choose Jack boiled down to... Nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  Even though he got a townie lynched.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 09:15:31 pm
BHK.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 09:15:55 pm
(as per above)
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 13, 2016, 09:21:41 pm
Also not what griffinpup said
Then we have no problem.
Nevermind this, apparently!

1. I simply didn't know the amount of votes needed for a hammer that day. The "You'll regret it" defense generally isn't posted after a hammer by anyone, so I assumed he said it before I hammered. I'm above lying about personal things to win a mind game.

2. I forgot the reason why I didn't want to. With no reason not to choose him, I chose him, simple as that.
1. Why did you tell me that you hammered him because you didn't buy his defense then?? So you just decided to vote NQT, cuz you 'forgot' that your vote was the hammer vote.  And when you got asked, your excuse wasn't that you forgot, your excuse was that you didn't by his "you'll regret" speech.  So why are you changing your story now? Oh, good to know.  Are you mafia?
2. Your decision to choose Jack boiled down to... Nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  Even though he got a townie lynched.

1. "Didn't buy his defense" is something that you would shoot down as "not descriptive enough" or something along those lines. Not voting someone I think is mafia that something that unnecessarily prolongs games. Forgetting something requires knowing it previously as a prerequisite, I can have multiple reasons for an action or choice, and explain what you mean by changing my story? You also aren't getting a response to the last part.
2. His reasoning for voting NQT made sense. 1 scum does not equal 1 town, so it's nonsense that scum would perform such a play that would work around them being so disposable, assuming Jack wanted to just make up everything related to jail just to get NQT offed. Everything was logical but the result, which is confusing me.

BHK.
b-b-b-b-bandwagon
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 13, 2016, 09:38:53 pm
Finished exam.  Back now.

Fallacy: A question, to clarify NQT's statements: Would the holder of the power Disaster Aversion be notified if it activated?

Like many BYORs, this game has a clear mechanical theme.  The theme here is action interference.  I'm a doctor variant, and Tiruin's claimed to be similar.  NQT was a blocker whose bulletproofing randomizes a kill.  4mask claimed a randomizing power.  Add a ton of unexplained redirects/randomizes and action failures, and we've got a mess.  I'm leaning towards a massclaim today or D4: possibly the only way we'll make sense of the convoluted paths our actions are taking.

@Jack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039788#msg7039788) I didn't know what "PFP" meant (still don't, though I assume it has to do with saying "I'm alive, there's just too much going on for me to respond." Once she posted, I was satisfied. Un-FoS (that's a thing, right?)
Wozzy: I'm not quite sure I understand what happened here.  You saw Tiruin often using an acronym you didn't know, so instead of asking her what it means, you decided she seemed to be "avoiding most questions"?  How did you go from not knowing what PFP meant to guessing it meant she was avoiding most questions?  Did you ever look for any questions she actually avoided before making the FoS?

By the way, there's a guide to local terminology in the Beginner's Mafia OP (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156239.0).

BHK: I can understand you losing track of hammer-necessary votes.  I also can understand you forgetting the order of posts.  Those make sense.
However, I do not understand your initial defense in that context.  You portrayed yourself as either knowing you were hammering or not caring whether you were hammering, all "chill about hammering."
This leaves me with a couple questions:
*Why, in that particular situation, would slightly accelerating a scum lynch outweigh the town's interest in the evidence that would have been generated from discussion of the fresh topic?
*Why not initially say you forgot how many votes were needed for a hammer?
2. His reasoning for voting NQT made sense. 1 scum does not equal 1 town, so it's nonsense that scum would perform such a play that would work around them being so disposable, assuming Jack wanted to just make up everything related to jail just to get NQT offed. Everything was logical but the result, which is confusing me.
How is the result confusing you?  It's pretty clear what happened at this point: NQT got hit with a block (that failed), and with no information whatsoever about the block, he struck out on a limb and recklessly claimed a specific action failure.  He wanted information and didn't know that he was essentially claiming a failed kill on Tiruin.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 09:41:01 pm
@BHK:Not bandwagon, more like you were appearing incredibly self-contradictory and kinda weird, ergo scummy.  But you're explaining enough now, so I guess unvote.

Still pretty suspicious, but not enough anymore.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 13, 2016, 09:55:03 pm
BHK: I can understand you losing track of hammer-necessary votes.  I also can understand you forgetting the order of posts.  Those make sense.
However, I do not understand your initial defense in that context.  You portrayed yourself as either knowing you were hammering or not caring whether you were hammering, all "chill about hammering."
This leaves me with a couple questions:
*Why, in that particular situation, would slightly accelerating a scum lynch outweigh the town's interest in the evidence that would have been generated from discussion of the fresh topic?
*Why not initially say you forgot how many votes were needed for a hammer?
2. His reasoning for voting NQT made sense. 1 scum does not equal 1 town, so it's nonsense that scum would perform such a play that would work around them being so disposable, assuming Jack wanted to just make up everything related to jail just to get NQT offed. Everything was logical but the result, which is confusing me.
How is the result confusing you?  It's pretty clear what happened at this point: NQT got hit with a block (that failed), and with no information whatsoever about the block, he struck out on a limb and recklessly claimed a specific action failure.  He wanted information and didn't know that he was essentially claiming a failed kill on Tiruin.
*Why, in that particular situation, would slightly accelerating a scum lynch outweigh the town's interest in the evidence that would have been generated from discussion of the fresh topic?
"He's scum. He's about to die. Why would he not lie and screw with the town?"
*Why not initially say you forgot how many votes were needed for a hammer?
Because I figured that I'd be told that I was lying about forgetting, and lynched, if I opened and ended with that.

"How is the result confusing you?  It's pretty clear what happened at this point: NQT got hit with a block (that failed), and with no information whatsoever about the block, he struck out on a limb and recklessly claimed a specific action failure.  He wanted information and didn't know that he was essentially claiming a failed kill on Tiruin."

But his only kill was one that was a roleblock unless he used it twice. It would be considered a roleblock the first time, if I'm remembering it correctly. He didn't attempt to kill Tiruin, which, of course, confuses me, since your claim is reliant on the assumption that he explicitly tried to kill Tiruin. Everything sounds perfect in my head, but it's hard to put into words, so I just say what my thoughts form into and play hit-or-miss with it, since the general idea of what I want to say can be bought up easy enough.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 09:58:02 pm
Oh.  Now it's not making sense again.

Can you PLEASE put quotes in quote tags?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 10:02:56 pm
Oh!

No.  NQT claimed Canadian Jail, but was, as far as we know, never actually there.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 13, 2016, 10:04:38 pm
I didn't care for what NQT was going to say because Jack caught him trying to kill Tiruin, and unless NQT likes to randomly vig people, I figured that NQT would naturally be scum. If I'm about to die and I'm scum, any opportunity I have to speak is something I can use to mess with the town, and NQT would probably be aware of the same.

I didn't simply say "I forgot" and end it there because I was working under the assumption that "I forgot" alone would be shut down immediately as a defense.

The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 13, 2016, 10:12:17 pm
The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.
We didn't have that evidence, though?  Jack, care to enlighten us?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 13, 2016, 10:16:53 pm
The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.
We didn't have that evidence, though?  Jack, care to enlighten us?
My thing was not an action.  It was an auto, as I've said a few times now.  The auto stops the first kill or hammer against the Queen of Canada (Tiruin) each phase.  I am not notified of it taking effect, but had a hunch that that was the reason for the lack of a kill N1.  I asked around and NQT claimed to have been thrown into Canadian jail.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 13, 2016, 10:20:09 pm
"He's scum. He's about to die. Why would he not lie and screw with the town?"
BHK: And we'd all know he was screwing with us after the (pretty much inevitable) flip.  We'd also know the responses each player would have had to the affair.  The former's impact would be minimal.  The benefit of the latter, though, could have been quite significant.  Would you agree?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 13, 2016, 10:42:38 pm
"He's scum. He's about to die. Why would he not lie and screw with the town?"
BHK: And we'd all know he was screwing with us after the (pretty much inevitable) flip.  We'd also know the responses each player would have had to the affair.  The former's impact would be minimal.  The benefit of the latter, though, could have been quite significant.  Would you agree?
...
Yes. I had... some form of that idea in consideration, but I didn't know I was hammering.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Wozzy on June 14, 2016, 06:25:45 am
Wait, you mean that as someone who only posts from his phone and his profession, I had an excuse for my incompetence this whole time?

PFP

@Griffinpup, that's a satisfying enough answer for me. I just wanted to be sure you had some way of backing up the other guy's claim. Sorry for putting you in the hot seat, but...well, it is Mafia.

@Jack, you are misreading it. I completely ignored the PFP. It wasn't until she said something along the lines of
Quote
PFPing (meaning I'M BUSY [being the Queen]) {but in all seriousness--assume sincerity of busyness}
that I actually went back and saw "oh hey, an acronym."

In my defense, the wiki's I checked did not list PFP as a common acronym when I tried to look up what it means, so I guessed (and was kinda right?)

The BHK & griffinpup thing seems to be getting a little out of hand. It looks like they are both repeating the same exact thing, but are trying to say it louder each time. The vote and unvote by TBF is suspicious, not just because he voted when BHK had one vote on him and unvoted when BHK called him out for bandwagoning, but because I just said use FoS instead of voting at the end of D2.

No questions atm. I'll ask some when I get off the phone and start posting at my profession.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 14, 2016, 08:16:58 am
Fallacy: A question, to clarify NQT's statements: Would the holder of the power Disaster Aversion be notified if it activated?
"Yes! Now here's why: players can see how many shots they have left in their abilities, and Disaster Aversion is a one-shot ability. If Disaster Aversion triggers, notquitethere would be made aware of it automatically because it went from one shot to zero."
~~~
Hey Fallacy: In what order are night actions processed?
"Barring bizarreness(of which there is plenty in this game), I'm trying to use [this (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution)] for night action processing."
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 14, 2016, 12:00:05 pm
TBF:
...

I am very suspicious of BHK with the purple defense there.  I mean, seriously?  Trading on character as a defense in a game where one's modus operandi should be 'assume everybody's lying until proven otherwise'?  And denigrating the game you're playing at the same time.
What happened between this and your actual vote from BHK to make you decide to step up from an FOS? And given that the only post BHK made between that and your unvote was pretty much the same thing as he had already said (plus calling you out for bandwagonning), why did that explanation satisfy you enough to drop the vote?

BHK
The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.
Ok, but why believe Jack about the details of the ability (and its condition of only triggering against kills) rather than NQT?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 14, 2016, 12:12:09 pm
He was rather incoherent, which...Looks kind of scummy, when you don't even make sense.

Then he said something that actually made sense.

Honestly, I probably shouldn't have unvoted based on a single post, especially since he's pushing all the buttons that made me vote him in the first place again.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 12:29:40 pm
PFP  :D
That's a fair point woozy.
BHK:
Let's try to clarify this. You knowingly lied about why you tried to hammer NQT. Right?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 14, 2016, 12:34:04 pm
@griffinpup:Whoa, loaded question much?  BHK lied about why he voted NQT, but he says he wasn't aware of his vote being the hammer.  I'm inclined to believe him on that.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 12:38:46 pm
BHK
The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.
Ok, but why believe Jack about the details of the ability (and its condition of only triggering against kills) rather than NQT?
When a cop outs with a guilty report, do you lynch the cop first?

BHK:
Let's try to clarify this. You knowingly lied about why you tried to hammer NQT. Right?
I didn't lie. I just didn't state my primary reason for hammering as my only defense.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 12:43:58 pm
@griffinpup:Whoa, loaded question much?  BHK lied about why he voted NQT, but he says he wasn't aware of his vote being the hammer.  I'm inclined to believe him on that.
Specifically, I just want to clarify that he knowingly lied. I don't know whether his real reason was that he forgot it was a hammer or not. I'm just concerned with clarifying that he did consciously decide to tell us something untrue. Does that make sense?
BHK
When a cop outs with a guilty report, do you lynch the cop first?

BHK:
Let's try to clarify this. You knowingly lied about why you tried to hammer NQT. Right?
I didn't lie. I just didn't state my primary reason for hammering as my only defense.
1. Do you buff a cop after he outs an innocent player?
2. So you hammered nqt because of his response of "you'll regret it?"
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 12:48:20 pm
1. Do you buff a cop after he outs an innocent player?
2. So you hammered nqt because of his response of "you'll regret it?"
1. I forgot. Even then, I got redirected three times. I never had a choice that night anyway.
2. Apparently not, since I've learned that he started that after I hammered him. I wanted him gone after Jack proclaimed to have intercepted him trying to off Tiruin. The defense just removed any doubt in my mind that he was mafia, which might have been why I forgot the reason I didn't want to read Jack.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 01:27:59 pm
BHK... So you forgot that 5 votes was a hammer, and you forgot that you voted nqt before he responded, and you forgot that jack didn't actually find scum?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 01:32:34 pm
BHK... So you forgot that 5 votes was a hammer, and you forgot that you voted nqt before he responded, and you forgot that jack didn't actually find scum?
I know that I voted NQT before he responded because I thought far enough ahead to assume that if he were scum, there would have been no value in his response, but not far enough to wait for him to speak + wait for his reveal. As to the other two, yes, and I knew that Jack didn't find scum, but I forgot that it was my reason to not tarot read him. All of this I've stated before...
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 02:00:26 pm
BHK:
Well, to be fair, you've said all of those things really confusingly as well. Who do you have suspicions for?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 02:03:06 pm
BHK:
Well, to be fair, you've said all of those things really confusingly as well. Who do you have suspicions for?
My top pick for scum team is TheBiggerFish for that flagrant bandwagon, and Jack A T since he still has no explanation for why NQT actually wasn't scum.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 02:08:19 pm
Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 02:11:34 pm
Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.
That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 14, 2016, 02:15:23 pm
Honestly, I think griffinpup has made my point for me, BHK.  You've been really confusing and contradictory, and you seem to be getting very forgetful.  So call it a bandwagon if you want, but I do agree with the guy.

Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.
That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
NQT, the victim, 'only pretending'?  Or Jack A T?  I'm not even...

Bleh.  BHK, I don't care if you call it bandwagon, you just push all the wrong buttons.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 02:24:40 pm
Honestly, I think griffinpup has made my point for me, BHK.  You've been really confusing and contradictory, and you seem to be getting very forgetful.  So call it a bandwagon if you want, but I do agree with the guy.

Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.
That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
NQT, the victim, 'only pretending'?  Or Jack A T?  I'm not even...

Bleh.  BHK, I don't care if you call it bandwagon, you just push all the wrong buttons.
Why do you rely so much on others making points for you instead of creating your own reasons for it, and why isn't griffinpup even objecting to it?
NQT was the victim, and griffinpup explicitly said that they DID say that they were pretending to get more info. It makes sense, but only for a member of the mafia to do to weasel out of a gambit like the one Jack apparently tried to set up. TBF, if you're scum, then that's one out of the way. If you're town, it's a justified policy lynch. Voting through gut feeling and using other's arguments is going to harm the town later on.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 14, 2016, 02:39:30 pm
BHK, I MADE those points, when I initially FOS'd and voted you.

Griffinpup just put better words on it.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 02:57:48 pm
BHK, I MADE those points, when I initially FOS'd and voted you.

Griffinpup just put better words on it.
Quote them and I'll acknowledge it. I haven't seen them.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 14, 2016, 03:08:49 pm
@BHK:Not bandwagon, more like you were appearing incredibly self-contradictory and kinda weird, ergo scummy.  But you're explaining enough now, so I guess unvote.

Huh.  I thought I had actually said my reasons before then.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 03:24:10 pm
@BHK:Not bandwagon, more like you were appearing incredibly self-contradictory and kinda weird, ergo scummy.  But you're explaining enough now, so I guess unvote.

Huh.  I thought I had actually said my reasons before then.
Yeah, now you know how I feel :-\
You could restate them, but as you said, you can't say anything that griffinpup hasn't. If not for everyone else having varying justification for inactivity, I would be asking them.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 14, 2016, 03:54:29 pm
Ask them anyway, the day's still going.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 14, 2016, 04:10:12 pm
BHK
BHK
The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.
Ok, but why believe Jack about the details of the ability (and its condition of only triggering against kills) rather than NQT?
When a cop outs with a guilty report, do you lynch the cop first?
Jack's only definite result was that NQT had performed a night kill (based off NQT's claim). Did you think that Jack was more likely to be town than NQT before the action claim? Even if he had been scum, I don't see why it would've been a bad thing to see what he said before being lynched.

Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.
That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
I think this was an explanation for Jack's claim that NQT was being scum, not a reason for thinking NQT was town while he was still alive.

TBF: if your case for BHK being scummy is being self contradictory, how is that not equally true for yourself?

Tiruin:
Current suspect list consists of:
Wozzy, 4mask, griffin {TDS}, and DA.
So then you're town reading Jack, TBF and BHK? Do you feel the same after the past few days?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 14, 2016, 04:12:52 pm
Because, to the best of my knowledge, I haven't actually contradicted myself, DA.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 04:14:23 pm
1. Do you buff a cop after he outs an innocent player?
1. I forgot. Even then, I got redirected three times. I never had a choice that night anyway.
To clarify, just because your scummy plan didn't work doesn't mean that it wasn't a scummy plan.  Oh, and when is a justified policy lynch okay?
Deus!: (DA?)
Who do you think is scummy?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 14, 2016, 05:17:30 pm
At the minute, Jack seems fairly town-y, and TBF seems scummy. BHK's logic is kind of erratic, but he's unlikely to be scum if TBF is. Who would have been your choice for a tarot reading last night (assuming no redirects)?


TBF, your behaviour is contradictory. You've voted for BHK for a lack of consistency, but you can't seem to decide whether you actually want to commit to the vote or not. Frankly, it looks like you were expecting a proper bandwagon to form around him and wanted to be on it before you looked like a latecomer or opportunist, then panicked when that didn't happen.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 14, 2016, 05:22:02 pm
No, I voted BHK because he was being weird.  And then he stopped being weird for one post, and I, in my naïvety, thought he would continue not being weird so I unvoted.  And now he's being weird again.

And yeah, it's hard to decide whether to commit to a vote that's mostly behavioral suspicion.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 05:29:13 pm
BHK
BHK
The result is confusing me because, at the heart of it, we had mechanical evidence (Jack intercepting and jailing NQT) that NQT tried to kill Tiruin, and was therefore scum, but turns out that he wasn't.
Ok, but why believe Jack about the details of the ability (and its condition of only triggering against kills) rather than NQT?
When a cop outs with a guilty report, do you lynch the cop first?
Jack's only definite result was that NQT had performed a night kill (based off NQT's claim). Did you think that Jack was more likely to be town than NQT before the action claim? Even if he had been scum, I don't see why it would've been a bad thing to see what he said before being lynched.
I said before that I thought far enough ahead to realize that if he were scum, his response would be a lie, but not far enough to realize that the town would know that. Nothing went wrong with the thought process, but common sense didn't say anything.

1. Do you buff a cop after he outs an innocent player?
1. I forgot. Even then, I got redirected three times. I never had a choice that night anyway.
To clarify, just because your scummy plan didn't work doesn't mean that it wasn't a scummy plan.  Oh, and when is a justified policy lynch okay?
With the lack of a better suspect, a policy lynch is fine. Generally, a person who doesn't create many arguments is easier to sway when it gets down to a mylo or lylo situation. It sounds harsh, but I can't think of a better way to say it.

Has anyone who hasn't said anything have any results or input? Things might be getting stagnant.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 05:45:26 pm
Is a safe lynch someone who uses abilities randomly without thought?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Wozzy on June 14, 2016, 05:48:40 pm
I don't have much to add to this...squabble, and these redirects kinda throw me off (both with my notes and with my scum radar). At this point, I'm more likely to vote for TBF, though NQT's last few posts about suggesting DA was his attempted killer (which I admit, I totally forgot about between N2 and my post), has me looking at him as a suspect instead.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Wozzy on June 14, 2016, 05:49:20 pm
EBDP

Obligatory PFP
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 05:52:42 pm
Is a safe lynch someone who uses abilities randomly without thought?
Is there any reason you have for dwelling on a subject we've already considered, and you've already nearly exhausted other than taking attention away from other opportunities for scumhunting?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 14, 2016, 05:56:33 pm
How are ties resolved?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 05:58:48 pm
Woozy:
I don't have much to add to this...squabble, and these redirects kinda throw me off (both with my notes and with my scum radar). At this point, I'm more likely to vote for TBF, though NQT's last few posts about suggesting DA was his attempted killer (which I admit, I totally forgot about between N2 and my post), has me looking at him as a suspect instead.
So Woozy, I don't think that NQT was inherently right because he never got a notification his one-shot went off, and fallacy said that would of happened.
BHK:
Is a safe lynch someone who uses abilities randomly without thought?
Is there any reason you have for dwelling on a subject we've already considered, and you've already nearly exhausted other than taking attention away from other opportunities for scumhunting?
... Because your gut reaction countervoting takes up lots of your busy time? please, ignore my question and start scumhunting.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 06:14:01 pm
BHK:
Is a safe lynch someone who uses abilities randomly without thought?
Is there any reason you have for dwelling on a subject we've already considered, and you've already nearly exhausted other than taking attention away from other opportunities for scumhunting?
... Because your gut reaction countervoting takes up lots of your busy time? please, ignore my question and start scumhunting.
If the only questions you're asking today are loaded, then gladly.

Alright, someone's bought to my attention, through a quicktopic link granted through an ability of theirs, that they can apparently skip a single night phase, only asking to know what the Death tarot card did in exchange, which I stated before in a post. They've resolved to skip Night 4, so regicide averted.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 06:24:29 pm
... Interesting. Do you know who it is?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 06:30:19 pm
... Interesting. Do you know who it is?
I do. The reason why I'm not going to reveal who they are should be obvious.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 06:31:05 pm
... Interesting. Do you know who it is?
I do. The reason why I'm not going to reveal who they are should be obvious.
Obviously. When was the quicktopic started?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 06:37:57 pm
... Interesting. Do you know who it is?
I do. The reason why I'm not going to reveal who they are should be obvious.
Obviously. When was the quicktopic started?
Last night, after I got redirected three times.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 07:37:40 pm
Turiun! You don't exist anymore
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 07:38:23 pm
Well, uh, if there's no death in Tiruin's future, I guess she's immortal.

Long live the queen?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 07:40:04 pm
One more question... Why did you guys decide not to let Turiun die?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 14, 2016, 07:56:20 pm
I'm working under the assumption that a cop has already investigated Tiruin due to the attention she's attracted. If not, well, The Sun.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2016, 09:30:16 pm
I'm working under the assumption that a cop has already investigated Tiruin due to the attention she's attracted. If not, well, The Sun.
But didn't Turuin get hit with like all of the randomizers that day too? IDK maybe an action got through.  But Jack, if he is mafia, and telling the truth about how his ability works, clearly had an explicit incentive to cast it on Turuin.  If Turuin is clean, Jack might be too.  Turuin could be dirty and Jack could still be good of course.
I'm kinda feeling mass-claiming times.


(I am so sorry Turuin!!!! I'm spelling your name wrong over and over again)
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Wozzy on June 15, 2016, 06:47:49 am
PFP

Also, after some reviewing, I've decided TBF is going to be my vote.
I'm working under the assumption that a cop has already investigated Tiruin due to the attention she's attracted. If not, well, The Sun.

BHK, what do you mean by "The Sun?"
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 15, 2016, 06:58:52 am
BHK, what do you mean by "The Sun?"
PFP
A major arcana tarot card. The Sun.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 15, 2016, 11:53:21 am
I'm pretty sure he meant 'what relevance does drawing the Sun (on a player that isn't Tiruin) have as a backup if Tiruin wasn't inspected?', not 'what's the flavour behind that ability?'
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 15, 2016, 11:55:45 am
What does it do, in other words?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 15, 2016, 02:04:49 pm
PFP

The Sun will give the person I drew it the exact alignment of a random player. Unless by some fluke Tiruin and Deus are partners (I do have some... feeling that Tiruin might actually be scum), if that 1/7 chance that Tiruin is picked comes up, then that problem is solved. Even then, it's not a bad card.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 15, 2016, 02:07:29 pm
Wozzy:Why vote me?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Wozzy on June 16, 2016, 12:48:55 pm
PFP

Haven't had a chance to get to a computer, but when I do, I'll have a response. Thankfully, we still have 3 days.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 16, 2016, 06:07:59 pm
I know this is going to sound kind of weird, but I would like to at least have everyone's say said and there are some people who haven't even weighed in here yet, so Extend.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 16, 2016, 06:22:40 pm
Fallacy: Mechanically (not by flavour), how do notifications of being blocked and notifications of other action failures differ?

"Yes! Now here's why: players can see how many shots they have left in their abilities, and Disaster Aversion is a one-shot ability. If Disaster Aversion triggers, notquitethere would be made aware of it automatically because it went from one shot to zero."
Alright.
Given that the only evidence that NQT was hit was a garbled and mechanically-incorrect statement in his second post-hammer post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040844#msg7040844) and that there is strong evidence (the 6 points (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040814#msg7040814) and their lack of mention of being hit) that NQT was not told he was hit, it is safe to say that NQT's one-shot kill immunity was not activated.

That being said, whether or not NQT was hit doesn't mean much about his point against Deus.  NQT argued (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039351#msg7039351) that Deus, in omitting the possibilities of scum being blocked or choosing not to kill and in dismissing a cult, was making assumptions about what happened to the kill that town would not have realistically made, indicating he knew what happened to the kill.
Cult isn't particularly consistent with either the flavour (game designed by a character who wants lots of kills) or the game description (simpleish, 7 town, 2 mafia, no thirds).  Choosing not to kill is a rare choice, to say the least.  What's left is one odd omission of a realistic possibility.  Not much, but worth asking about.

Deus Asmoth: Why didn't you bring up the possibility of scum having been blocked?

Wozzy: I'm still not quite seeing how you came to the idea that Tiruin was avoiding questions.  Can you please clarify?

So Woozy, I don't think that NQT was inherently right because he never got a notification his one-shot went off, and fallacy said that would of happened.
griffinpup: So, what does that say/what did you think that said about NQT's arguments about Deus?
Also, which components of BHK's explanation of his hammer do you most trust?  Which do you least trust?  Why?

Jack A T since he still has no explanation for why NQT actually wasn't scum.
Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.
That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
BHK: ...Considering how NQT flipped and when he gave that explanation, do you not accept it as the truth?
Did you even read the post-hammer statements by NQT, at least after the "I was town" statement?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 16, 2016, 06:35:23 pm
Didn't nqt explain that quite aptly? He never had any 'jail' effect whatsoever. He was just pretending to in order to get more info.
That is absolutely something I would say if I were scum to get out of accidentally falling into a gambit. "I was only pretending."
BHK: ...Considering how NQT flipped and when he gave that explanation, do you not accept it as the truth?
Did you even read the post-hammer statements by NQT, at least after the "I was town" statement?
PFP
I accept it as the truth. I'm just giving a reason as why I said and did what I did.
And I did read what he said, I just didn't bother remembering it, due to the circumstances. I'll read the post when I have time.
Extend
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 17, 2016, 10:23:35 am
PFP

Haven't had a chance to get to a computer, but when I do, I'll have a response. Thankfully, we still have 3 days.
Honestly this has gotten to the point where I'm not even sure what's going on right now as far as accusations go.  I'll see what I can get you all after breakfast.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 17, 2016, 01:08:48 pm
How are ties resolved?
"Ties, eh? In the vote count, a tie will have nobody being lynched."
~~~
Fallacy: Mechanically (not by flavour), how do notifications of being blocked and notifications of other action failures differ?
"You were blocked. Your action failed. They differ in how they are stated."
~~~
Votecount Initiating:

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(0): []
TheBiggerFish(3): [Deus Asmoth, BlackHeartKabal, Wozzy]
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(2): [griffinpup, TheBiggerFish]
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

((Note: edited because I missed Wozzy's vote earlier.))
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 17, 2016, 01:19:12 pm
Can we get a count for Extends as well?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 17, 2016, 01:32:21 pm
Extend(2): [TheBiggerFish, BlackHeartKabal]
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 17, 2016, 04:26:17 pm
So... Why are people extending? Don't we will have like 2 days anyways?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 17, 2016, 04:45:26 pm
Because it's highly likely that we won't hear from people even WITH those two days.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 19, 2016, 11:39:44 am
This game is slowly dying...
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Tiruin on June 19, 2016, 11:44:07 am
Extend

This game is slowly dying...
Because it's highly likely that we won't hear from people even WITH those two days.
Sorry, thesisworks.
Also I wrote a post on this but it seems it got deleted when I shifted tabs in my laptop >_<
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2016, 02:34:26 pm
Extend.

BHK: So what exactly am I supposed to explain about the NQT lynch result, then?

Griffinpup: Answer questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7050314#msg7050314).
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 19, 2016, 03:07:46 pm
Extend.

BHK: So what exactly am I supposed to explain about the NQT lynch result, then?
Why, despite not having an explicit kill power, did you claim that he was mafia because he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2016, 03:19:18 pm
Why, despite not having an explicit kill power, did you claim that he was mafia because he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills?
I claimed that he had tried to kill Tiruin because he claimed to have triggered Canadian jailing, a jailing that only triggers with kills and hammers.  The route from there to my inference of him being Mafia should be quite clear.

I have no idea what you're trying to say with the "explicit kill power" part.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 19, 2016, 03:25:14 pm
Extend.

BHK: So what exactly am I supposed to explain about the NQT lynch result, then?
Why, despite not having an explicit kill power, did you claim that he was mafia because he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills?
What the fuck even is this question, BHK?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 19, 2016, 03:27:10 pm
Because he claimed he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills, BHK.  I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here but this is just...What even.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2016, 03:32:00 pm
4maskwolf and TheBiggerFish: Can someone please explain how this particular bad question is the scummy sort of bad question?  What makes it voteworthy?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 19, 2016, 03:35:08 pm
Extend.

BHK: So what exactly am I supposed to explain about the NQT lynch result, then?
Why, despite not having an explicit kill power, did you claim that he was mafia because he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills?
What the fuck even is this question, BHK?
Do not complain if I reciprocate this attitude later.

Jack said NQT tried to kill Tiruin, because the canadian jail thing only happens to people who make an attempt on her. NQT did not have an explicit killing power, except his misfortune thing that only kills when used on someone twice in a row. Nobody has two night actions, so it's impossible for NQT to have tried to make that kill. Jack's story doesn't line up, why the hell does nobody see it but me?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2016, 03:37:04 pm
You're missing the part where NQT lied.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 19, 2016, 03:37:59 pm
Why would someone ever lie if they're town?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2016, 03:38:46 pm
Recklessness in pursuit of information.

Digging up NQT quotes right now.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 19, 2016, 03:39:15 pm
4maskwolf and TheBiggerFish: Can someone please explain how this particular bad question is the scummy sort of bad question?  What makes it voteworthy?
I found him scummy to begin with, this is just the first time I've gotten around to posting so I threw my vote in as part of the post.

Jack said NQT tried to kill Tiruin, because the canadian jail thing only happens to people who make an attempt on her. NQT did not have an explicit killing power, except his misfortune thing that only kills when used on someone twice in a row. Nobody has two night actions, so it's impossible for NQT to have tried to make that kill. Jack's story doesn't line up, why the hell does nobody see it but me?
NQT as good as claimed (accidentally, sure, but he did) to have triggered the power.  As I understand it we had no confirmation of NQT's claimed night action, so as of the time of the reveal it was entirely possible for NQT to be lying about his night action and just having fallen into a clever trap.

Why would someone ever lie if they're town?
There was no guarantee he was town as of the time of the lynch?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2016, 03:39:36 pm
In the words of NQT himself:
I was being misleading about Canadian Jail (which is unfortunate as it seems to have led to my death). My flavour doesn't mention anything about Canada. I was trying to draw more info out by pretending to be successfully blocked. Dumb plan as it happens.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 19, 2016, 03:39:59 pm
EBWOP:
Why would someone ever lie if they're town?
There was no guarantee he was town as of the time of the lynch?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 19, 2016, 03:40:46 pm
4maskwolf and TheBiggerFish: Can someone please explain how this particular bad question is the scummy sort of bad question?  What makes it voteworthy?
I was already voting him for general confusing babbling IIRC, this was just more to add to the pile.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 19, 2016, 03:51:14 pm
EBWOP:
Why would someone ever lie if they're town?
There was no guarantee he was town as of the time of the lynch?
Excellent observation, sherlock. But he's town, as we see now since he's been lynched, so naturally I'm asking Jack why he didn't turn up as mafia or someone with an instant killing ability. I didn't consider that NQT might have been lying because it would have been his only excuse to get out of the trap he walked into while he was alive, and when he turned town I figured he had no reason to lie. It isn't hard to understand, and I'm getting tired of answering questions I've already given answers for.

4maskwolf and TheBiggerFish: Can someone please explain how this particular bad question is the scummy sort of bad question?  What makes it voteworthy?
I was already voting him for general confusing babbling IIRC, this was just more to add to the pile.
If you suggest I instead keep quiet and give tarot readings randomly instead, then I guess I can, sure.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 19, 2016, 03:53:26 pm
EBWOP:
Why would someone ever lie if they're town?
There was no guarantee he was town as of the time of the lynch?
Excellent observation, sherlock. But he's town, as we see now since he's been lynched, so naturally I'm asking Jack why he didn't turn up as mafia or someone with an instant killing ability. I didn't consider that NQT might have been lying because it would have been his only excuse to get out of the trap he walked into while he was alive, and when he turned town I figured he had no reason to lie. It isn't hard to understand, and I'm getting tired of answering questions I've already given answers for.
Okay, yes.  But I don't see why this has any bearing on Jack A T needing to explain anything, since NQT didn't know at the time either.  Hindsight it 20/20.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 19, 2016, 03:54:02 pm
EBWOP: I somehow used "NQT" instead of "Jack A T" in my previous post, replace "NQT" with "Jack A T"
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 19, 2016, 03:56:17 pm
EBWOP:
Why would someone ever lie if they're town?
There was no guarantee he was town as of the time of the lynch?
Excellent observation, sherlock. But he's town, as we see now since he's been lynched, so naturally I'm asking Jack why he didn't turn up as mafia or someone with an instant killing ability. I didn't consider that NQT might have been lying because it would have been his only excuse to get out of the trap he walked into while he was alive, and when he turned town I figured he had no reason to lie. It isn't hard to understand, and I'm getting tired of answering questions I've already given answers for.
Okay, yes.  But I don't see why this has any bearing on Jack A T needing to explain anything, since NQT didn't know at the time either.  Hindsight it 20/20.
Nothing anybody said yesterday made sense when I look at the details of things, how does it make sense? I still don't understand why NQT would lie as town.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 19, 2016, 03:59:23 pm
As Jack quoted, he was lying through implication in order to extract more information.  Unfortunately, his gambit ran afoul of Jack's scumfinding gambit (assuming for a moment that Jack isn't lying, but we have no evidence either way so for the sake of argument I'm going to assume both are town) and he got nailed.  I know I've lied by omission as town before, omitting abilities that I'd rather not let the scum know about, and NQT, despite our many differences, in some ways plays similarly to me.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 19, 2016, 04:01:16 pm
So a gambit pileup. Wow.

Then if the entire thing is a null tell, we don't have any actual leads on day 2.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 19, 2016, 04:27:25 pm
We have several leads from what I can see. For example, you brought up NQT confirming himself so as to coordinate the town back in day 1. NQT's confirmed now and gave his suspicions before he died, so do you plan on following up on them?

Deus Asmoth: Why didn't you bring up the possibility of scum having been blocked?
Because I used a blocking action on NQT during night 1 and thought it was unlikely at the time that there would be another blocker in the game. My block on NQT failed, so I knew that it wasn't the reason for no kills taking place. I thought it was unlikely that there would be another roleblocker in the game (a position I have reconsidered after the amount of skullduggery that's apparently going on at night). Cult seemed unlikely, mafia choosing not to kill wasn't something I even thought of. So either a protect or bulletproof were what was left.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 19, 2016, 04:33:25 pm
We have several leads from what I can see. For example, you brought up NQT confirming himself so as to coordinate the town back in day 1. NQT's confirmed now and gave his suspicions before he died, so do you plan on following up on them?
I'll search for the post and follow what's likely, and he's a seasoned player, so I'd trust his suspicions a bit more, especially with him being confirmed town. Still Day 1 suspicions though, that I should factor in.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2016, 04:58:07 pm
Deus: So you're the one behind the failed block that NQT wanted information on.  Hm.  Why did you try to block NQT and why claim this now (not earlier or later)?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Tiruin on June 19, 2016, 07:41:09 pm
Recklessness in pursuit of information.

Digging up NQT quotes right now.
Quickposting, but to address BHK since he seems sincere about it--this is what NQT does...regardless of his alignment @_@ so the emotional backlash of regret is mixed with logical endeavors of insight and reflection. However to also address BHK's impactful comment of 'Jack only claimed after the hammer'...which is reasonably valid, it doesn't seem to be an impactful implication when applied in context because NOBODY actually brought it up until after a few posts and NQT himself popping up, at around 10+ posts post-hammer.

PFP

Why would someone ever lie if they're town?
Contextually--its not a sweeping generalization of honesty-high-ground; town can lie to provoke scum, however in this context...this question is better asked to NQT, however also good to be asked in game to get others' reactions, as I cannot fathom the merit or credit responsibly gained for the town effort (given that we now know NQT is town :V) given that response.

I mean if I died, I'd usually tell everything before I die. :P

Though on behalf of NQT--given the LACK of many things, he only went along his own theories (ie TIRUIN MAY BE SCUM D: ...and nothing more) [/TheRaven], though in a particularly pointed way that didn't help anyone because of lacking OTHER details in why he's got that in mind.

But sometimes, people get pressured and things like these come out (oh dear DO I remember my first Mafia games...), and this is my best reasoning on how I saw it.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 19, 2016, 09:06:03 pm
Jack:
griffinpup: So, what does that say/what did you think that said about NQT's arguments about Deus?
Also, which components of BHK's explanation of his hammer do you most trust?  Which do you least trust?  Why?
Ask less boring questions... Try questions that could conceivably be useful in the future.  Maybe stuff that would add more information.  I don't want to compare info to NQT's thoughts, when you could just do the same.  And... read my posts for the answer to that other one?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2016, 09:41:46 pm
However to also address BHK's impactful comment of 'Jack only claimed after the hammer'...which is reasonably valid
Did nobody read the claim I gave when I voted?

Jack:
griffinpup: So, what does that say/what did you think that said about NQT's arguments about Deus?
Also, which components of BHK's explanation of his hammer do you most trust?  Which do you least trust?  Why?
Ask less boring questions... Try questions that could conceivably be useful in the future.  Maybe stuff that would add more information.  I don't want to compare info to NQT's thoughts, when you could just do the same.  And... read my posts for the answer to that other one?
Griffinpup: Oh joy.  You've decided you won't answer because you don't want to and because you cannot conceive of them being useful (which says more about you than about anything else).  Is this why you just ignored them initially?

Shockingly, I have reasons for asking the questions I ask.  I'm not trying to get a mere comparison of NQT's thoughts and info.  I can do that easily.  Hell, I did it in that post, though you seem not to have noticed.
You're interested in the NQT/Deus issue, though, and you commented on it.  You obviously have some thoughts on the matter.  Let's see them fleshed out.  Like any good player, I want to dig deeper into your thoughts and positions.  I want to make you take positions on the record, and I want your positions to be fleshed out.  I want to make you generate info about you.

Just reading your posts for the BHK matter is not enough.  It was (and, to a certain extent, is) a developing situation, like many, and your statements were each in reaction to the most immediate comment.  Each new BHK statement was the sort that should have impacted (positively or negatively) interpretations of the preceding statements.  Getting your post-dispute position on each element gives the town novel information on you.  Getting it on the record eliminates much of the wiggle room that comes from disputable implications, too.

When players use the flimsiest of excuses to stymie the information-gathering process and avoid answering questions, it is rather troubling, to say the least.

Now, answer the questions.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2016, 09:43:02 pm
Also, boring?  Seriously?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 20, 2016, 12:18:23 am
Jack: *sigh* I'm not really in the mood, but fine.  I will give you answers, and afterwards you get to explain to me why there's so importantly useful!
Jack:
griffinpup: So, what does that say/what did you think that said about NQT's arguments about Deus?
Also, which components of BHK's explanation of his hammer do you most trust?  Which do you least trust?  Why?
Ask less boring questions... Try questions that could conceivably be useful in the future.  Maybe stuff that would add more information.  I don't want to compare info to NQT's thoughts, when you could just do the same.  And... read my posts for the answer to that other one?
Griffinpup: Oh joy.  You've decided you won't answer because you don't want to and because you cannot conceive of them being useful (which says more about you than about anything else). 
So, you allude to this thing saying stuff about me, but you never actually say what it says... And then you compare it to some non-specific something else, which apparently also says something non-specific about me.  Cool.  I hope the fact that I don't really like wasting time helps you.
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Is this why you just ignored them initially?
Pretty much.  The questions (especially the first one.  The second one is betterish) seem to have no validity, and were mostly time-wasters.
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Shockingly, I have reasons for asking the questions I ask.
Shockingly, I had reasons for not wanting to answer them.
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I'm not trying to get a mere comparison of NQT's thoughts and info.  I can do that easily.  Hell, I did it in that post, though you seem not to have noticed.
I'm glad you already have an answer to the question you asked me. Yep.
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You're interested in the NQT/Deus issue, though, and you commented on it.  You obviously have some thoughts on the matter.  Let's see them fleshed out.
I'm not interested in that issue.  I think it's a fruitless and pointless issue.  I commented on it, once really...  I think my original comment was good enough.  Basically, NQT's statements end of day 2 weren't magic.  They didn't have unlimited truths in them.  All they were were assumptions based around game mechanics that were later proven to be false.  I don't get why people would be interested in this issue.  It's illogical.  And I hope this paragraph is fleshy enough for you.
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Like any good player, I want to dig deeper into your thoughts and positions.
Welp.  You're not trying to dig deeper into everyone's thoughts and opinions.  Why am I so special?
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I want to make you take positions on the record, and I want your positions to be fleshed out.  I want to make you generate info about you.
This seems a strange claim.  I've posted quite a bit, definitely more then most.  Why need you generate more info on me but practically ignore some lurkers?  In isolation your reason seems fine, but focusing on making me generate info seems completely non-intuitive.
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Just reading your posts for the BHK matter is not enough.  It was (and, to a certain extent, is) a developing situation, like many, and your statements were each in reaction to the most immediate comment.  Each new BHK statement was the sort that should have impacted (positively or negatively) interpretations of the preceding statements.  Getting your post-dispute position on each element gives the town novel information on you.  Getting it on the record eliminates much of the wiggle room that comes from disputable implications, too.
I'm not really sure what you're wanting.  It seems pretty clear that BHK intentionally misled town about his reasons for voting.  I'm pretty sure I've already made it clear that I think that.  I'm not sure what else you want.
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When players use the flimsiest of excuses to stymie the information-gathering process and avoid answering questions, it is rather troubling, to say the least.
You aren't really information gathering.  You're just making me restate stuff that I've already said, or talking about impertinent data from a guy whose entire outlook was colored by a flawed understanding of the mechanics system.
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Now, answer the questions.
Rawr
Also, boring?  Seriously?
Yeah boring.  Asking me to talk about the theories of a guy who died forever ago, when his theories weren't even good(not his fault, necessarily), is boring.  Though, I admit I'm in a pretty combative mood right now.  So that leaks into my style of writing. As I'm sure you can tell.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Jack A T on June 20, 2016, 04:31:27 am
griffinpup: This is going to be fun.  I love hamfisted deflection.
So, you allude to this thing saying stuff about me, but you never actually say what it says... And then you compare it to some non-specific something else, which apparently also says something non-specific about me.  Cool.  I hope the fact that I don't really like wasting time helps you.
You want to know exactly what this says about you?  Sure.  Here's some.  You're quite narrow-minded and, despite your very limited knowledge about the knowledge and intent of others (and thus what use they would make of your answers), you believe yourself to be the supreme arbiter of what is valuable in-game.  You have a surface-level view of questions, and cannot comprehend any deeper layers of value.

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Is this why you just ignored them initially?
Pretty much.  The questions (especially the first one.  The second one is betterish) seem to have no validity, and were mostly time-wasters.
So, your initial silence was deliberate.  Interesting.  Why choose that tactic to avoid questions?

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I'm not interested in that issue.  I think it's a fruitless and pointless issue.  I commented on it, once really...  I think my original comment was good enough.  Basically, NQT's statements end of day 2 weren't magic.  They didn't have unlimited truths in them.  All they were were assumptions based around game mechanics that were later proven to be false.  I don't get why people would be interested in this issue.  It's illogical.  And I hope this paragraph is fleshy enough for you.
Thank you, this is helpful.  Not what I was looking for, but helpful.  It helps me understand exactly where you were coming from when you stepped in to protect Deus (the main reason why I asked the question), and thus helps me understand your relationships with Wozzy and Deus (particularly the latter).  The substantial step you've made beyond your initial statement (specifically, going from the relatively weak 'not inherently right' of your initial statement to the stronger rejection here) is interesting.

I was hoping, though, to see the line of logic between NQT's mechanical error and the (now quite strong) rejection of his points about Deus.  In my own analysis, I saw the issue of NQT's kill immunity as largely irrelevant to his points about Deus.  NQT's error made him more certain, but was not the basis of his case.  Please tell me why you disagree.

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Welp.  You're not trying to dig deeper into everyone's thoughts and opinions.  Why am I so special?
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I've posted quite a bit, definitely more then most.  Why need you generate more info on me but practically ignore some lurkers?  In isolation your reason seems fine, but focusing on making me generate info seems completely non-intuitive.
First: I only just started focusing on you.  When I first asked you those questions, you were one among many people I was questioning.  In just that one post alone, I asked four of the seven available players questions.  Among them, lurkers and non-lurkers.  One of the top posters (BHK), the bottom poster (Deus), and two mid-frequency posters (you and Wozzy).  One I am awaiting the initial response of, two I am still handling followup questioning, and one concluded the resulting discussion with a major change of beliefs.  Since I made that post, I have continued to question a wider array of players.
To put it simply, this idea you have of me ignoring some lurkers is groundless bullshit and obviously so.  How did you come to this idea, exactly?

Second: There's a reason I am now focusing on you.  You are responding poorly to my questions.

Third: Deflecting to lurkers, I see.  I always love seeing this tactic.

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I'm not really sure what you're wanting.  It seems pretty clear that BHK intentionally misled town about his reasons for voting.  I'm pretty sure I've already made it clear that I think that.  I'm not sure what else you want.
Ah.  I'll clarify.
We all know BHK misled town about the hammer, and did so intentionally.  He said so.  He's made several claims about what he did (both when hammering and when taroting), why he did it, and such, each building on the already-tangled pile of statements.  Your immediate reaction to most of BHK's points in the dispute was, essentially, strong disbelief.

What I want to see is your thoughts beyond the immediate.  I want to see the cohesive current position of the main player making the main case in the main wagon of the day.  This grants clarity and an unknown amount of new information, and it makes evaluation of the case against BHK easier.

Let's split the question into two questions that, in aggregate, are sort of similar:
*Aside from BHK's admission of misleading town, do you believe (or lean towards believing) any of BHK's various claims?  Why?
*What do you think really happened in the hammer affair?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 20, 2016, 10:43:11 am
Wait, I'm NOT a top-frequency poster?  Why the carp am I being so quiet?

Everybody:Questions?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 20, 2016, 10:44:48 am
Wait, I'm NOT a top-frequency poster?  Why the carp am I being so quiet?

Everybody:Questions?
I don't know, why the fish are you being so quiet?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 20, 2016, 10:48:43 am
That's a good question.  I guess I don't have much to say that wouldn't basically be me repeating what someone else said (and honestly I'm kind of distracted by the start-of-summer freeform deluge a bit).
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 20, 2016, 10:58:50 am
Because he claimed he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills, BHK.  I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here but this is just...What even.
TBF: Why did you vote BNK again when your vote was already on him?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 20, 2016, 11:15:52 am
For emphasis, mostly.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 20, 2016, 11:21:15 am
griffinpup: This is going to be fun.  I love hamfisted deflection.
So, you allude to this thing saying stuff about me, but you never actually say what it says... And then you compare it to some non-specific something else, which apparently also says something non-specific about me.  Cool.  I hope the fact that I don't really like wasting time helps you.
You want to know exactly what this says about you?  Sure.  Here's some.  You're quite narrow-minded and, despite your very limited knowledge about the knowledge and intent of others (and thus what use they would make of your answers), you believe yourself to be the supreme arbiter of what is valuable in-game.  You have a surface-level view of questions, and cannot comprehend any deeper layers of value.
You're kinda a toolbag.  But sure.  That's probably all good assumptions.
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Is this why you just ignored them initially?
Pretty much.  The questions (especially the first one.  The second one is betterish) seem to have no validity, and were mostly time-wasters.
So, your initial silence was deliberate.  Interesting.  Why choose that tactic to avoid questions?
It's not a tactic.  They're not that important
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I'm not interested in that issue.  I think it's a fruitless and pointless issue.  I commented on it, once really...  I think my original comment was good enough.  Basically, NQT's statements end of day 2 weren't magic.  They didn't have unlimited truths in them.  All they were were assumptions based around game mechanics that were later proven to be false.  I don't get why people would be interested in this issue.  It's illogical.  And I hope this paragraph is fleshy enough for you.
Thank you, this is helpful.  Not what I was looking for, but helpful.  It helps me understand exactly where you were coming from when you stepped in to protect Deus (the main reason why I asked the question), and thus helps me understand your relationships with Wozzy and Deus (particularly the latter).  The substantial step you've made beyond your initial statement (specifically, going from the relatively weak 'not inherently right' of your initial statement to the stronger rejection here) is interesting.
Well now let's look at this.  I never stepped in to protect Deus.  You're pushing that link all on your own.  I did say, and do say, that NQT's assumptions were clearly colored by an incorrect assumption of how it all works.  I haven't rejected his specific arguments against Deus.  I'm just saying don't treat them like magic.
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I was hoping, though, to see the line of logic between NQT's mechanical error and the (now quite strong) rejection of his points about Deus.  In my own analysis, I saw the issue of NQT's kill immunity as largely irrelevant to his points about Deus.  NQT's error made him more certain, but was not the basis of his case.  Please tell me why you disagree.
... Actually, I'm gonna have to change my opinion.  I just reread NQT's posts, and yeah, it was his complete and only basis of his case. 
Deus was also suspicious because he seemed to indicate scum hadn't been blocked, but rather had tried to kill me (or someone else nk-immune) and failed. Given that I know scum failing to kill due to targeting me (and me being an obvious target for a kill), Deus's wording jumped out as suspicious. Hence why I'm voting him.
1. Deus Asmoth or his ally tried to kill me but failed due to my one-shot NK immunity
The only reason Deus was suspicious was in connection to NQT's NK immunity.
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Quote from: griffinpup
Welp.  You're not trying to dig deeper into everyone's thoughts and opinions.  Why am I so special?
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I've posted quite a bit, definitely more then most.  Why need you generate more info on me but practically ignore some lurkers?  In isolation your reason seems fine, but focusing on making me generate info seems completely non-intuitive.
First: I only just started focusing on you.  When I first asked you those questions, you were one among many people I was questioning.  In just that one post alone, I asked four of the seven available players questions.  Among them, lurkers and non-lurkers.  One of the top posters (BHK), the bottom poster (Deus), and two mid-frequency posters (you and Wozzy).  One I am awaiting the initial response of, two I am still handling followup questioning, and one concluded the resulting discussion with a major change of beliefs.  Since I made that post, I have continued to question a wider array of players.
To put it simply, this idea you have of me ignoring some lurkers is groundless bullshit and obviously so.  How did you come to this idea, exactly?
So let me clarify.  I'm not saying that you're not asking questions to people.  I'm saying that you're not creating real information on other people.  You've tended to avoid getting in-depth, it looks like you only stick to superficial questions.  Sans NQT's thing, where a townie gambited and then got insta-hammered, you've not done much.  I mean, sure you ask questions, but no real line of questioning. 
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Second: There's a reason I am now focusing on you.  You are responding poorly to my questions.
Rawr
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Third: Deflecting to lurkers, I see.  I always love seeing this tactic.
Not deflecting.  Disagreeing with your reasons for asking questions.  You claim it's to generate information, but most of your questions don't really contribute much.  You've certainly never pressured someone yet.  That's the point.
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I'm not really sure what you're wanting.  It seems pretty clear that BHK intentionally misled town about his reasons for voting.  I'm pretty sure I've already made it clear that I think that.  I'm not sure what else you want.
Ah.  I'll clarify.
We all know BHK misled town about the hammer, and did so intentionally.  He said so.  He's made several claims about what he did (both when hammering and when taroting), why he did it, and such, each building on the already-tangled pile of statements.  Your immediate reaction to most of BHK's points in the dispute was, essentially, strong disbelief.

What I want to see is your thoughts beyond the immediate.  I want to see the cohesive current position of the main player making the main case in the main wagon of the day.  This grants clarity and an unknown amount of new information, and it makes evaluation of the case against BHK easier.

Let's split the question into two questions that, in aggregate, are sort of similar:
*Aside from BHK's admission of misleading town, do you believe (or lean towards believing) any of BHK's various claims?  Why?
*What do you think really happened in the hammer affair?
Mmkay. So this is where I sit.
1. BHK intentionally misled town on what he did and why with the explicit purpose of looking less guilty.
2. BHK completely fluffed his tarot ability, by 'forgetting' that NQT flipped town and that Jack was the one to lead to that conclusion.  So BHK crazy-buffed the guy who bussed a townie.
3. BHK hammer-voted before the suspect had any chance to respond.  Now maybe he 'forgot'.  Doesn't matter.
4. BHK is outright confusing, and either intentionally, or unintentionally, misunderstanding much of the questions that were addressed to him.
5. BHK sounds like he is telling the truth.  But tonality isn't everything
Basically, 1-4 isn't outweighed by 5.  Even if BHK is town, those actions aren't acceptable.  The weird thing is is that I think BHK thinks the same thing as me.  He's advocated that you're supposed to lynch, even town, under certain circumstances.  He's repeatedly claimed that that he couldn't understand any reason town would lie, but we all agree with number 1.   All in all, I think that mafia is a game about lynching players that pose the most threat to town.  Usually, that's mafia, with their nightkills and stuff.  Sometimes, it's town who does mafia things.  I'm not sure whether BHK is mafia, my gut says no but the evidence says yes.  I, at this point however, wholly endorse a BHK lynch.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 20, 2016, 11:29:44 am
Hmm...

I smell something...

Fishy.

Terrible puns aside, it seems that the whole dispute with BHK, at least from my end, was either a misunderstanding or he's very good at obfuscating stupidity, and I'm willing to grant the first one.  There's still the whole issue of him quickhammering NQT before NQT could even respond, but right now I'm more suspicious of you.  I've found you consistently suspicious throughout the game and you keep digging yourself a deeper hole, now including inanely bandwagoning onto an existing dispute with a pointless (and already existing) vote and then never addressing the subject again to the accused.

You and BHK have been going at it since D1, and I'm still trying to figure out whether you two are town/scum or scum pushing really hard at distancing.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 20, 2016, 01:39:18 pm
'inanely bandwagoning'?

I' m sorry, what part of "None of this person's statements make any sense, they're directly contradicting, and they're pressing a long-dead issue as their only case" is an inane bandwagon?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 20, 2016, 02:30:41 pm
Because he claimed he triggered a jailing that only triggers with kills, BHK.  I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here but this is just...What even.
You said none of those words, you just stated public knowledge followed by "what even".  After I had already said the exact same thing, including a vote.  Yeah, I think that constitutes "inanely bandwagoning".  And you never pushed the issue afterwards, either, interestingly enough.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 20, 2016, 02:37:42 pm
Because I had already said them.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 20, 2016, 02:39:32 pm
Because I had already said them.
Then why waste everyone's time saying "what even" with a vote you'd already placed, if you have such a strong case that you'd stated previously?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 20, 2016, 03:58:02 pm
BHK: what's your roleclaim?
TBF: what's your roleclaim?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 20, 2016, 04:02:31 pm
@4mask:I already said, for emphasis.  If I hadn't been voting BHK already, I would have voted there.

@griffinpup:Why?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 20, 2016, 04:05:22 pm
BHK: what's your roleclaim?
I'm a role based around tarot cards.

I can draw 3 cards out of my deck of 11 to apply their effects to the target over the three nights after, each person can only have their tarot read once.

I have a two shot ability called Rework "Fate", which let's me change the order that the cards I've already drawn will affect someone.

What exactly do you think puts you in the position that you'd have authority to demand claims from me and TBF?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 20, 2016, 05:31:25 pm
TBF:
Wait, I'm NOT a top-frequency poster?  Why the carp am I being so quiet?

Everybody:Questions?
What did you expect this to accomplish?

Jack:
Deus: So you're the one behind the failed block that NQT wanted information on.  Hm.  Why did you try to block NQT and why claim this now (not earlier or later)?
I didn't claim it earlier because NQT didn't ask for information on the block as far as I could see, he just mentioned that someone tried to block him and it failed in order to prevent paradox (which... seems odd since the only time it would cause a paradox would have been if we'd both targeted each other in which case the result is irrelevant since it's a self contained unit, but whatever). I'm claiming it now because it saves us the waste of time that giving a vague answer and leaving you to decide that you're not happy with a vague answer and asking again would have been. I blocked him because you and Tiruin seemed unlikely to be mafia to me at the time and NQT seemed slightly more likely to be scum than 4mask at the time as I recall. Plus I figured that if he were scum along with one of the newer players he'd be more likely to do the kill so that they wouldn't have to fake claim an action later.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 20, 2016, 08:25:55 pm
@4mask:I already said, for emphasis.  If I hadn't been voting BHK already, I would have voted there.
And, with him already arguing with Jack A T and me voting him and questioning him, what did you think that would accomplish?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: griffinpup on June 20, 2016, 10:44:12 pm
BHK:
What exactly do you think puts you in the position that you'd have authority to demand claims from me and TBF?
Umm... I didn't demand anything, and I'm not pulling from any special authority.  If you want to know why I asked, that's a different question.

TBF:
Because I want to clarify.  BHK mostly claimed, but I wanted to double check.  Do you have a roleclaim, or if you don't want to share it why not?

Jack:
Speaking of, you've claimed some stuffs.  Do you have a concise roleclaim? Maybe I missed it.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: Tiruin on June 21, 2016, 09:20:31 am
Well. Great. I just scrolled back and noticed that my post with a vote and acknowledging every other post until a few posts ago is not posted :v I would've been voting griffinpup as pressure but a re-read gets me back to being vague (not to add the pressure of FINAL THESIS DEFENSE cropping up and there goes my selective memory. ARGH).

Erm, how long do we have? Fallacy, votecount please?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 21, 2016, 02:27:37 pm
I'm baaaack!
~~~
Votecount Initiating:

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(1): [Jack A T]
TheBiggerFish(4): [Deus Asmoth, BlackHeartKabal, Wozzy, 4maskwolf]
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(2): [griffinpup, TheBiggerFish]
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

Extend(4): [TheBiggerFish, BlackHeartKabal, Tiruin, Jack A T]
~~~
"Ho! Looks like mr. Fish is one vote away from being HAMMAD! And so is the extension. Barring the extension, the day will end today, 3:00 PM, central time/forum time."

((Again, please inform me if I got any part of the vote count wrong.))
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Night 3: The mastermind lynched!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 21, 2016, 03:18:42 pm
"Well then. That's a wrap. L.Y.N.C.H., take him out!"

The device promptly reacted to its vote count, conjuring a handgun out of thin air and firing several rounds into TheBiggerFish. They all did nothing.

Recalculating.

It fired one more shot, a large, white, sphere. The sphere hit. TheBiggerFish, otherwise known as Doc Scratch collapsed.

Analyzing.

TheBiggerFish was:
Doc Scratch(mafia)
(Night): Masterful Manipulation [target1], [target2]: Target1 changes his target to target2 if he/she is using a single target action. If he/she is using a multiple target action, one of his/her targets is chosen at random and is changed to target2.
(Night): Deductive Surge [statement]: You determine if the chosen statement is true, false, or somewhere in between. From the speaker’s perspective, anyway. For certain statements, this might not be possible. Examples include guesses and statements of intent.


"Well. Well, time for death- er, I mean night! Night 3 will end..."

June 23, 5:45 central/forum time, or when I have all the night actions. So send them in!
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Night 3: The mastermind, lynched!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 23, 2016, 05:45:52 pm
Processing...
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Night 3: The mastermind, lynched!
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 23, 2016, 05:54:40 pm
Just as planned.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Night 3: The mastermind, lynched!
Post by: griffinpup on June 23, 2016, 05:55:13 pm
First Post!!!
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me.  I am now sad
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 23, 2016, 06:34:08 pm
"Why do you not die?"

Votecount Initiating:

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

Day will end 6:30 P.M. central/forum time Monday.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Night 3: The mastermind, lynched!
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 23, 2016, 06:35:37 pm
First Post!!!
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me.  I am now sad
The Wheel of Fortune, The Wheel of Fortune, The Hermit. No idea how you drew the same card twice.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Wozzy on June 23, 2016, 07:08:37 pm
No deaths again...

I guess since he's dead, I don't have to respond to TBF's question.

I'm ready to basically reveal everything about my role. I just need an answer from 6/7 of you.

Everyone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 23, 2016, 07:15:32 pm
No deaths again...

I guess since he's dead, I don't have to respond to TBF's question.

I'm ready to basically reveal everything about my role. I just need an answer from 6/7 of you.

Everyone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?
They aren't confirmed. I'm naturally suspicious of them.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Jack A T on June 23, 2016, 07:35:09 pm
Bit of a busy time for me, unfortunately.
For now, first, a general post to respond to questions and ask more.  Next, a giant pile of griffinpup response.  When I find time, I'll go through the whole game to examine TBF's relationships with each player and give comments and questions (and quite likely a vote) based on that.

Until then, my vote's defaulting to griffinpup, for evasiveness, deflection, and a disregard for the truth.

Also, I'm leaning towards a massclaim today.

BHK: First, why target griffinpup last night?  Second, preparing my griffinpup response reminded me of your D1 commentary on self-preservation (final position here) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7030103#msg7030103).  To avoid being lynched, you misled the town about how you ended up hammering NQT (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7045812#msg7045812).  In your eyes, what made that the right context for self-preservation?

I would've been voting griffinpup as pressure but a re-read gets me back to being vague
Tiruin: Why and why?  Also, good luck with the defense.

I blocked him because you and Tiruin seemed unlikely to be mafia to me at the time and NQT seemed slightly more likely to be scum than 4mask at the time as I recall. Plus I figured that if he were scum along with one of the newer players he'd be more likely to do the kill so that they wouldn't have to fake claim an action later.
Deus: Can you recall why NQT seemed more likely to be scum than 4mask?

Everyone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?
Wozzy: I'll need to reexamine her posts, but first and foremost, she's Tiruin and she's busy.  A lot of what she's done so far is pretty standard behaviour for her, and she's long been tough to read.  The joy she has found in being Queen is completely unsurprising.  I have a mild gut town lean on her, but a glance back shows her leaning town on TBF.  The TBF relationship examination I intend to do may change my read significantly.

A question for you, by the way. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7050314#msg7050314)

For posterity: TBF, scum, was the most frequent poster.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Jack A T on June 23, 2016, 07:38:16 pm
griffinpup:
Spoiler: Wall of Text! (click to show/hide)
Jack:
Speaking of, you've claimed some stuffs.  Do you have a concise roleclaim? Maybe I missed it.
The best summary is probably this one (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039754#msg7039754), but I can give a more concise and complete one right here:
*I am Canadian Criminal Code s. 49.
*Day action: Pass the Crown.  Makes someone the Queen of Canada, giving them an auto that says that.  Can only be done when no living player is Queen.
*Night action: unclaimed.
*Auto: Enforcement of the Law.  Can activate once per phase.  Stops a kill or hammer.  Kills are blocked, and hammers result in the hammerer losing their vote for the rest of the day.  Flavour: Canadian jail.  Cannot trigger in a LYLO phase.

I do have a question for you, though: why should I have answered this?  You asked for no new information.  You could have searched my posts for the parts of the claim.  By your logic, you would have likely ignored this question, viewing it as a boring waste of time, yes?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 23, 2016, 07:53:22 pm
BHK: First, why target griffinpup last night?  Second, preparing my griffinpup response reminded me of your D1 commentary on self-preservation (final position here) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7030103#msg7030103).  To avoid being lynched, you misled the town about how you ended up hammering NQT (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7045812#msg7045812).  In your eyes, what made that the right context for self-preservation?
I targeted griffinpup because they aren't in a position to use any power granted to them through my reading against the town without anyone noticing. The reasoning for lynching NQT was straight up confusion, but I indeed did end up misleading people. The reason I think I have value is because I can use my readings to assist the town, and I can delay any potentially bad cards I draw for a townie with Rework Fate. Tiruin and Deus should have truthful investigative results from my readings, which is why I'm waiting until they out them before I act.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 23, 2016, 08:33:42 pm

Ok so PFP because THESIS WORRIES

BHK: What tarots hit me again?


First Post!!!
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me.  I am now sad
What do you mean?
First Post!!!
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me.  I am now sad
The Wheel of Fortune, The Wheel of Fortune, The Hermit. No idea how you drew the same card twice.
...I feel like you're responding to something but what? @_@

No deaths again...

I guess since he's dead, I don't have to respond to TBF's question.

I'm ready to basically reveal everything about my role. I just need an answer from 6/7 of you.

Everyone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?
I'm going to die tonight based on BHK's words :v
Why are you insistent on passing the spotlight on me?



For some reason I have learned Wozzy's role (but not his alignment) and he's a Miller-type (he has an auto that identifies him as Mafia).
I know your whole role buddy. You stink of necromantic themes. You have a one-shot kill action that you haven't yet used that has an apparent sign upon use. You also have two actions that are annoying, and one of them is pertinently unclaimed in public. What use was that one action that I presume had already been used?
Fallacy: While I cannot copy PMs from the mod, may I copy whatever instance of the PMs I am able to dictate? :3

I would've been voting griffinpup as pressure but a re-read gets me back to being vague
Tiruin: Why and why?  Also, good luck with the defense.
I'll get back to this later on but it was something about his post and how he worded it that got to me :v

I'm all ears for a massclaim.

Everyone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?
Wozzy: I'll need to reexamine her posts, but first and foremost, she's Tiruin and she's busy.  A lot of what she's done so far is pretty standard behaviour for her, and she's long been tough to read.  The joy she has found in being Queen is completely unsurprising.  I have a mild gut town lean on her, but a glance back shows her leaning town on TBF.  The TBF relationship examination I intend to do may change my read significantly.

A question for you, by the way. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7050314#msg7050314)

For posterity: TBF, scum, was the most frequent poster.
You made my day, dude. XD
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Wozzy on June 23, 2016, 08:38:54 pm
Tiruin...if you know my role, and you know what my unused ability does...why would you vote me?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 23, 2016, 08:46:37 pm

Ok so PFP because THESIS WORRIES

BHK: What tarots hit me again?


First Post!!!
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me.  I am now sad
What do you mean?
First Post!!!
...I'm that guy
And TBF beat me.  I am now sad
The Wheel of Fortune, The Wheel of Fortune, The Hermit. No idea how you drew the same card twice.
...I feel like you're responding to something but what? @_@

No deaths again...

I guess since he's dead, I don't have to respond to TBF's question.

I'm ready to basically reveal everything about my role. I just need an answer from 6/7 of you.

Everyone except for Tiruin: What are your thoughts about Tiruin?
I'm going to die tonight based on BHK's words :v
Why are you insistent on passing the spotlight on me?



For some reason I have learned Wozzy's role (but not his alignment) and he's a Miller-type (he has an auto that identifies him as Mafia).
I know your whole role buddy. You stink of necromantic themes. You have a one-shot kill action that you haven't yet used that has an apparent sign upon use. You also have two actions that are annoying, and one of them is pertinently unclaimed in public. What use was that one action that I presume had already been used?
1. The Empress (Gain an additional action useable beyond death)
2. The High Priestess (Learn a random players role, but not alignment )
3. Death (You die.)

Wozzy opened a quick topic with me offering to skip N4 so you don't die, and I assumed he had the ability to. Seriously consider whether Wozzy dying is beneficial.

And as to the response, I was telling Griffinpup what I drew for them.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Wozzy on June 23, 2016, 08:54:42 pm
As Tiruin is acting like an idiot right now, I'll just roleclaim, so you can decide what to do with her.

One of my abilities is select a player at night that I wish to talk to for the next phase. On N2, I used this on BHK so that I can figure out how his death card works.

My next ability is, as Tiruin pointed out, a daykill. It basically kills someone at the end of the day, after the lynch.

My last ability is the ability to skip the next phase entirely. Which means that when I use it now, I skip N4.

Fallacy did not specify whether this would prevent the death card or not, but I have a hunch it might, since BHK says it occurs during the night phase.

I guess take it as you will. I don't think Tiruin is scum, I just think she isn't thinking clearly.

Also, Ninja'd
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 23, 2016, 08:55:39 pm
As Tiruin is acting like an idiot right now, I'll just roleclaim, so you can decide what to do with her.

OK, what made you think like that? :v It was a pressure vote since it would be very redundant for MAFIA to have an auto that is Mafia.

Rude much. >_>
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 23, 2016, 09:53:22 pm
Fallacy: While I cannot copy PMs from the mod, may I copy whatever instance of the PMs I am able to dictate? :3
I don't entirely understand your question, so I'll give you the answer as I understand it:

Directly copying and pasting PM communications from me into the thread is a no.

If you paraphrase, it should be fine, however.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Wozzy on June 23, 2016, 10:25:59 pm
As Tiruin is acting like an idiot right now, I'll just roleclaim, so you can decide what to do with her.

OK, what made you think like that? :v It was a pressure vote since it would be very redundant for MAFIA to have an auto that is Mafia.

Rude much. >_>

Can y'all not vote willy nilly next time, and just use FoS? I mean, that was 3 votes on NQT that could have easily been an FoS instead, because Jack didn't even show his proof until afterwards. It's that fucking simple.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(9/9): Day 2: Nobody dead?
Post by: Tiruin on June 23, 2016, 10:38:06 pm
As Tiruin is acting like an idiot right now, I'll just roleclaim, so you can decide what to do with her.

OK, what made you think like that? :v It was a pressure vote since it would be very redundant for MAFIA to have an auto that is Mafia.

Rude much. >_>

Can y'all not vote willy nilly next time, and just use FoS? I mean, that was 3 votes on NQT that could have easily been an FoS instead, because Jack didn't even show his proof until afterwards. It's that fucking simple.
Yeah, because the hammer (by which I assume 3/4 total votes) can land on you because ONE PERSON voted :v
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During the day, the day may end because of a hammer(getting the majority of the game's available votes on a player will lynch that player, ending the day), or because of the deadline.
"Why do you not die?"

Votecount Initiating:

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

Day will end 6:30 P.M. central/forum time Monday.
With ONE MAFIA MEMBER left.
That's enough to call someone stupid and then commit your next posts to reaction fire. That's the kind of attitude that won't help you. It's better to work with what's being done--NQT's example is on a whole 'nother plane of existential difference in contrast.

Unboat

That said, I sincerely did think TBF in a neutral way because the tells that others voted him for were not within my priority list of scumtells. Different notes for different folks :D

As for my fullclaim:
I have one (1x) more of a 24 hour day extension (Dayshot)
I have one (1x) of an after-death-post. Meaning I can post once post-death limited solely to in-game information (meaning act as if I'm alive for one more post and not dead--I can't deadchat post until then). (Dayshot)

I'll claim the rest later on.


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Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
Suspect list: 4mask, griffin, DA.
Will be checking back for pattern behavior and assessing TBF's behavior.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 23, 2016, 10:53:37 pm
#calledit

I have two parts to my role that I can share at this time.

The first, which I used on Jack A T, was a one-shot ability that caused all other actions targeting my target to be randomized.  This was already claimed in the past.

My second power is a two-shot protect.  I have used neither of them.

Also, I was roleblocked last night, although I took no action.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 23, 2016, 11:35:26 pm
Real post eventually.  Just a few quick thoughts.
1)Jack and BHK get a temporary clean bill of health.  Jack would of been really ballsy or really idiotic to burn his magic Queen powers on not his scum partner.  BHK and TBF being scum both seem unlikely, and I think I was misreading BHK's personality/playstyle, not real scumtells.
2)That leaves DA, Woozy, 4mask,and Turuin.
3) I too support a full roleclaim today, but my full roleclaim isn't very helpful :p
4) Who roleblocked 4maskwolf last night?

BHK: Can I get a bit more info on your softclaim? As in, what do those cards actually do?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 23, 2016, 11:40:10 pm
Turuin:
What's your reasoning for leaving Jack and Wozzy off of the suspect list?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 23, 2016, 11:45:55 pm
Wozzy opened a quick topic with me offering to skip N4 so you don't die, and I assumed he had the ability to. Seriously consider whether Wozzy dying is beneficial.

And as to the response, I was telling Griffinpup what I drew for them.
I respectfully request you withhold that skip for other uses--let me die tonight; I fear not the destiny picked out for me.
This also helps eliminate possible suspects.

Alright, disclosing flavor of the redirects; I was redirected to NQT on N1 (Aimed @Jack), flavor was a white flash.
Roleblock was a short-term-memory loss (ie Anything that causes blunt impact trauma to the head).
Or at least that's what I infer, given N2's results. (And subsequently NQT's information (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040875;topicseen#msg7040875))

N2 had me with the same similarity of STM (this time with me smelling like alcohol) and presumable trauma sources on my body (ie Bruises), however my action was REDIRECTED to 4mask and it wasn't roleblocked. So someone kept redirecting me :v

I won't disclose my action in N3 (because its only one action I can do albeit in 2 different iterations--this at least explains TBF's curiosity  (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040649;topicseen#msg7040649)about what I could do, especially considering that last sentence in another perspective entirely). But I wasn't affected by anything OTHER THAN what I can presume BHK's tarots working.

Real post eventually.  Just a few quick thoughts.
1)Jack and BHK get a temporary clean bill of health.  Jack would of been really ballsy or really idiotic to burn his magic Queen powers on not his scum partner.  BHK and TBF being scum both seem unlikely, and I think I was misreading BHK's personality/playstyle, not real scumtells.
2)That leaves DA, Woozy, 4mask,and Turuin.
Honestly, my nature in scumteams equal a bit more humor and punnery. :P
Also do you autocorrect spelling my name into Turuin because that's how you keep spelling it since forever, THIS GAME ONLY. :I

Turuin:
What's your reasoning for leaving Jack and Wozzy off of the suspect list?
Because I love Jack (and he is my law ♥) and I saw Wozzy's full role last night thanks to BHK's card and can reasonably on behalf over a doubt that he's not scum given the circumstances of his role. :P

But seriously. Jack: I'm leaving him off because he's a very acute, analytical, and critical fellow; a scumteam with him and anyone else would bring a certain amount of tension and tone to the game which I don't feel is present in noticeable amounts here--he's actually the guy I really spent all my guardedness on because I believe he's really important, AFTER I discerned him to my feelings-of-being-towny.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 24, 2016, 12:16:02 am
BHK: Can I get a bit more info on your softclaim? As in, what do those cards actually do?
The High Priestess: Learn a random player's entire role, sans alignment.
The Empress: Additional action the night it takes effect useable beyond death.
The Chariot: Target's night action will work as intended regardless of protection, role blocking, redirection, etc.
The Hermit: 1 shot lie detector that cannot be replenished with The Renewal.
The Wheel of Fortune: 1-shot night ability from list of: Track, Watch, Alignment Inspect, Block, Kill, cannot be replenished with The Renewal.
The Fates: Target will have their night action redirected randomly.
The Moon: Mafia cop result on a random person. Ignore this card if drawn.
The Sun: Truthful cop result on a random person.
The Renewal: Replenishs all limited shot actions.
The Fool: Target will be effected by any other card completely at random.
Death: Target will die, nothing will stop it, do not pass go, do not collect 200$.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 24, 2016, 12:19:55 am
Tiruin: I do it cuz I care  :P (I tend to type your name very quickly, and in my head it flows with a u, so that's what my keystroke always does.. It's not on purpose)
BHK: You gave me really awesome ones
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 24, 2016, 01:28:53 am
Extend because I feel this is a crucial day. :v

I'll be using my 24 hour extend right before the day end today, if nothing much is reached--I also repeat that I'm ok with dying tonight so people can narrow down their suspect list. ^ ^
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 24, 2016, 05:07:10 pm
I blocked 4mask last night. Also, the Sun (I think) triggered for me. Jack is town, surprising no one.

Tiruin, did you use that mass protect? Seems relevant for figuring out who could have had a kill stopped.

Jack, it was just a gut feeling. I don't recall there being a solid reason for picking him other than that.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 24, 2016, 09:05:06 pm
PFP
Extend though
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 24, 2016, 11:26:54 pm
I blocked 4mask last night. Also, the Sun (I think) triggered for me. Jack is town, surprising no one.

Tiruin, did you use that mass protect? Seems relevant for figuring out who could have had a kill stopped.

Jack, it was just a gut feeling. I don't recall there being a solid reason for picking him other than that.
Fullclaims please :P I'm not claiming that bit there because it's essentially the only thing I'm not claiming until everyone else has claimed. My previous posts already...answer that however.

PFP BECAUSE THESISFUNTIME!
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 24, 2016, 11:35:25 pm
I'll add to the extend vote.

Because discussion is good, I'll fullclaim in hopes of sparking some amount of discussion.

I am Bay12Games.  My abilities are as follows.

Dwarf Fortress (one-shot): A single-target ability that surrounds the target with a "learning cliff", randomizing the target of all other actions targeting them.  This was my N2 action on Jack A T.

Liberal Crime Squad (one-shot): A single-target ability that kills the target and tells me who they were targeting.  This is the one I was on the fence mentally about claiming, because it could have been a useful ace in the hole.

World War Two Medic (two-shot): Basic single-target protection, nothing special here.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Jack A T on June 25, 2016, 12:53:13 am
Extend.

I'm in the middle of the really long examination of the game, which will take a while (particularly since I'm otherwise busy).

One thing to note about inspect results now: we have only one scum.  Inspection results not disputed by the inspected player are safe to consider real results: the inspector and inspected can't both be scum.

Anyway, unvote.  TBF held griffinpup's predecessor tied for most votes through the end of D1, and griffinpup's troubling actions can be explained reasonably well by frustration.  Still uneasy about him, but for him to be scum, TBF would have had to take a significant risk.  Losing half the scumteam D1 would have been pretty painful.  The D3 interactions between griffinpup and TBF (to be shown in my eventual megapost) come off more as TBF latching on to what seemed a good town case than as coordinated team action, too.

My claim:
*I am Canadian Criminal Code s. 49.
*Day action: Pass the Crown.  Makes someone the Queen of Canada, giving them an auto that says that.  Can only be done when no living player is Queen.
*Night action: unclaimed.
*Auto: Enforcement of the Law.  Can activate once per phase.  Stops a kill or hammer [on the Queen].  Kills are blocked, and hammers result in the hammerer losing their vote for the rest of the day.  Flavour: Canadian jail.  Cannot trigger in a LYLO phase.
The night action is a one-shot called Loophole Abuse.  Interpreting the law loosely allows me to block all players who take a kill action that night, throwing them into Canadian jail.  This is the last way to end up in Canadian jail.  I used it N2.

The 'make actions go wrong' theme in this game is strong.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Wozzy on June 25, 2016, 08:04:36 am
PFP

extend fo sho
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 25, 2016, 01:13:06 pm
Null is nowhere to be found. Also, it's raining gumdrops.

Votecount Initiating:

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

Extend done.

Day will end 6:30 P.M. central/forum time Tuesday.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 25, 2016, 01:34:14 pm
I blocked 4mask last night. Also, the Sun (I think) triggered for me. Jack is town, surprising no one.

Tiruin, did you use that mass protect? Seems relevant for figuring out who could have had a kill stopped.

Jack, it was just a gut feeling. I don't recall there being a solid reason for picking him other than that.
Fullclaims please :P I'm not claiming that bit there because it's essentially the only thing I'm not claiming until everyone else has claimed. My previous posts already...answer that however.

K. I'm a Clone of Null Nevermore. At night I can use nullification magic to block someone, or use Absolute Nullification to block someone forever as a one-shot.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 25, 2016, 04:14:02 pm
K. I'm a Clone of Null Nevermore. At night I can use nullification magic to block someone, or use Absolute Nullification to block someone forever as a one-shot.
So...did you use that one-shot, and whom are your candidates for using it? :O
What've you been doing the whole everynightbeforenow?

PFP
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 25, 2016, 04:54:23 pm
Blocking people. I haven't used the one-shot yet, mostly because it doesn't seem reliable enough to even use on someone scummy considering how likely it seems that it'd get redirected to someone else entirely.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 27, 2016, 01:51:33 pm
... the day hasn't ended yet, yet nobody's posted since two days ago.

How is that a thing?

"Get to figuring out who to murderize, folks!"
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 27, 2016, 10:57:20 pm
Day Extended by 24 hours. Day 4 will now end 6:30 P.M. central/forum time Wednesday.

"... well then. YOU HAD BETTER MAKE USE OF THAT TIME!"
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 27, 2016, 11:05:45 pm
Okay guys final roleclaim/planning phase.  I, as noted, only have a random redirect, which is mostly useless in this scenario, because the action still occurs.  So I'm not going to us that ability, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 27, 2016, 11:10:26 pm
Extend then? Since I guess Finals are happening all over the world (while we have THESISFUNTIME here, now marked on July 7. Oh the tension!)

For posterity: TBF, scum, was the most frequent poster.
Are you NQT? :P



Right, so since I'm unsure of the time (Fallacy? :v GMs usually drop the timer everytime they post after a relative amount of time), I'll shoot my dayshot here.
PPE:
Spoiler: This was me. (click to show/hide)
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Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
Suspect list: 4mask, griffin, DA.
Will be checking back for pattern behavior and assessing TBF's behavior.
Wiping griffinpup from the list after assessing D1 (ie TBF's voting pattern, following in the footsteps of probably-grumpy-but-nice NQT) along with behavioral patterns, and noting that there's a safety net in a probability in between a mislynch, considering the factors in play, we have a LACK of claims from some few folk. I am suspicious of DA's power, as it seems a tad bit on the refined-powerful side, albeit considering that it renders only one person--and can be redirected or manipulated--inactive via ability alone.

4maskwolf, I detect a discrepancy within your claim.
#calledit

I have two parts to my role that I can share at this time.

The first, which I used on Jack A T, was a one-shot ability that caused all other actions targeting my target to be randomized.  This was already claimed in the past.

My second power is a two-shot protect.  I have used neither of them.

Also, I was roleblocked last night, although I took no action.
Your one-shot on Jack A T is detected by the Queen, solely through indirect assumptions. Considering the flavor of NQT's ROLEBLOCK, with reflection on my post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061673#msg7061673), I can thus say that you are most likely lying about that first statement there, in the least of it being a one-shot.

Because noting the white flash, and that I suffered a similar case of STM in both N1/2, after targeting JACK BOTH TIMES without a difference in flavor other than the similarity of blunt force trauma and the presence of similar symptoms (and signs) of recall interference, I lay down a case of fallibility upon you.

Plead your case. You speak against someone who does not fear death.

PFP because I did a re-read but I'm in a public PC place with my newts at home ._.

PPE: Hhhhhhhh
Okay guys final roleclaim/planning phase.  I, as noted, only have a random redirect, which is mostly useless in this scenario, because the action still occurs.  So I'm not going to us that ability, for obvious reasons.
Ok, second on my suspicious list because of saying redirects randomly is useless :^
Did you note this beforehand and what you/TDS did before?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 27, 2016, 11:34:43 pm
4maskwolf, I detect a discrepancy within your claim.

Your one-shot on Jack A T is detected by the Queen, solely through indirect assumptions. Considering the flavor of NQT's ROLEBLOCK, with reflection on my post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061673#msg7061673), I can thus say that you are most likely lying about that first statement there, in the least of it being a one-shot.

Because noting the white flash, and that I suffered a similar case of STM in both N1/2, after targeting JACK BOTH TIMES without a difference in flavor other than the similarity of blunt force trauma and the presence of similar symptoms (and signs) of recall interference, I lay down a case of fallibility upon you.
Quick points before I get into the semantics debates: why would I, as scum, make a town player immune to having actions taken on them (and potentially redirect hostile actions to me or my scum partner) on N1 and why would I claim it was a one-shot when it wasn't and claim to have done nothing that night when my night action was reasonably benign and I had no specific reason to hide it?  I can't fathom a word of this argument because this being the case (and me being scum) would require me to deliberately take anti-team actions and then lie about them without reason.

With that being said, there's no flavor in your N1 redirect indicating it being related to Dwarf Fortress, while the N2 one did (smelling of alcohol).  On top of which, there are other confirmed redirectors/randomizers in the game, so accusing me of lying when other redirectors exist is rather silly.

There's also the balance issue: being able to turn someone into a Nexus is incredibly powerful when compared to my other abilities.  In making the argument you're making, you're basically arguing that I had at least two shots, if not an unlimited number, of an ability that powerful when I only have one of my kill/track and two of my basic protect, which is incredibly silly from a game balance standpoint.  The other option is that you're accusing me of fabricating my entire roleclaim, which I'll note I've only done once, in a game with semi-known roles, and backed so far into a corner it was the only possible way out (Supernatural Eight, if you couldn't guess from the description).  I have a policy of being as truthful as I can be with my roleclaims whether I'm town or scum: as town, I only hide abilities that could be used as trump cards against the scum, and as scum, the best lies are the ones where you have to make up the least.

I'm honestly rather disappointed that this is the reason you're voting for me.  A thought experiment I started doing on Mafia Universe and which I'm doing here as well is to, every so often, try to look at myself from an uniformed townie's perspective and build a case against myself.  This is helpful in all alignments because it allows me to think of ways to defend myself should those accusations arise.  Earlier D4 I did this and, to my aggravation, came up with a decently strong case against myself based on my action claim, the known actions (and, perhaps more importantly, lack of actions), and old meta, but you managed to hit none of those points and instead accuse me on incredibly shaky and nonsensical ground.

I'm also slightly disturbed by the amount of people you've put on your "clear" list for shaky reasons, but that's playstyle differences and eh whatever.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 27, 2016, 11:36:41 pm
Tiruin:
PPE: Hhhhhhhh
Okay guys final roleclaim/planning phase.  I, as noted, only have a random redirect, which is mostly useless in this scenario, because the action still occurs.  So I'm not going to us that ability, for obvious reasons.
Ok, second on my suspicious list because of saying redirects randomly is useless :^
Did you note this beforehand and what you/TDS did before?
So, when I mean useless, it's useless in this scenario.  Earlier-game, it was useful, by potentially randomizing scum's use ability.  Now, however, ideally we'll make a coherent plan of trying to catch scum with abilities, maybe catch them in a lie.  If we don't come up with a plan, I'll be using my randomize.  But see how a randomize like mine can ruin most plans?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 27, 2016, 11:49:10 pm
4maskwolf, I detect a discrepancy within your claim.

Your one-shot on Jack A T is detected by the Queen, solely through indirect assumptions. Considering the flavor of NQT's ROLEBLOCK, with reflection on my post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061673#msg7061673), I can thus say that you are most likely lying about that first statement there, in the least of it being a one-shot.

Because noting the white flash, and that I suffered a similar case of STM in both N1/2, after targeting JACK BOTH TIMES without a difference in flavor other than the similarity of blunt force trauma and the presence of similar symptoms (and signs) of recall interference, I lay down a case of fallibility upon you.
Quick points before I get into the semantics debates: why would I, as scum, make a town player immune to having actions taken on them (and potentially redirect hostile actions to me or my scum partner) on N1 and why would I claim it was a one-shot when it wasn't and claim to have done nothing that night when my night action was reasonably benign and I had no specific reason to hide it?  I can't fathom a word of this argument because this being the case (and me being scum) would require me to deliberately take anti-team actions and then lie about them without reason.

With that being said, there's no flavor in your N1 redirect indicating it being related to Dwarf Fortress, while the N2 one did (smelling of alcohol).  On top of which, there are other confirmed redirectors/randomizers in the game, so accusing me of lying when other redirectors exist is rather silly.
You mentioned it was a one-shot (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7043660#msg7043660) inferred to reference N1, but this mentions N2. I targeted Jack N2; this matches the one you mentioned.

And for those other redirectors--special mention to griffinpup, the list of claims pokes them too.
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Jack A T as Part of Canadian Law (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061271#msg7061271)
Wozzy is known to me and checks out perfectly (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061396#msg7061396)
BHK is a tarot card reader (with presumably more than these abilities) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061727#msg7061727)
Deus is an Ulti-Blocker (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7064076#msg7064076) who despite lacking reasons behind his claims and when they occurred have added information to them. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7062962#msg7062962) {I cleared him because he's clearing Jack as a really dangerous gambit IF SCUM}
4maskwolf as a doctor/redirector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061603#msg7061603)

Jack A T
Wozzy
BlackHeartKabal
Deus Asmoth
4maskwolf
griffinpup

Tiruin - I'm useless anyway :^ Let me go~
Out of y'all, griffin has been irresponsibly vague about himself--he hasn't bothered to claim what happened, but hasn't also claimed targeting me N1. Considering there is only one scum left, there is the distinct idea that nobody can lie now (because that'd be silly.)

Tiruin:
PPE: Hhhhhhhh
Okay guys final roleclaim/planning phase.  I, as noted, only have a random redirect, which is mostly useless in this scenario, because the action still occurs.  So I'm not going to us that ability, for obvious reasons.
Ok, second on my suspicious list because of saying redirects randomly is useless :^
Did you note this beforehand and what you/TDS did before?
So, when I mean useless, it's useless in this scenario.  Earlier-game, it was useful, by potentially randomizing scum's use ability.  Now, however, ideally we'll make a coherent plan of trying to catch scum with abilities, maybe catch them in a lie.  If we don't come up with a plan, I'll be using my randomize.  But see how a randomize like mine can ruin most plans?
Can you fullclaim please?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 27, 2016, 11:51:51 pm
Edit on that part--the flash of light was pertaining to me being redirected; me slipping and falling = getting roleblocked.

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I'm honestly rather disappointed that this is the reason you're voting for me.  A thought experiment I started doing on Mafia Universe and which I'm doing here as well is to, every so often, try to look at myself from an uniformed townie's perspective and build a case against myself.  This is helpful in all alignments because it allows me to think of ways to defend myself should those accusations arise.  Earlier D4 I did this and, to my aggravation, came up with a decently strong case against myself based on my action claim, the known actions (and, perhaps more importantly, lack of actions), and old meta, but you managed to hit none of those points and instead accuse me on incredibly shaky and nonsensical ground.
It's more of a pressure vote, really. You concluded very quickly, if I could comment on how you drew that 'honestly disappointed' card--in my arsenal of today, I need brevity (because RL stuff .-.) but that aside, I'm pretty open to discussion given the state of the game and number of scum left :)
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 27, 2016, 11:54:40 pm
4maskwolf, I detect a discrepancy within your claim.

Your one-shot on Jack A T is detected by the Queen, solely through indirect assumptions. Considering the flavor of NQT's ROLEBLOCK, with reflection on my post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061673#msg7061673), I can thus say that you are most likely lying about that first statement there, in the least of it being a one-shot.

Because noting the white flash, and that I suffered a similar case of STM in both N1/2, after targeting JACK BOTH TIMES without a difference in flavor other than the similarity of blunt force trauma and the presence of similar symptoms (and signs) of recall interference, I lay down a case of fallibility upon you.
Quick points before I get into the semantics debates: why would I, as scum, make a town player immune to having actions taken on them (and potentially redirect hostile actions to me or my scum partner) on N1 and why would I claim it was a one-shot when it wasn't and claim to have done nothing that night when my night action was reasonably benign and I had no specific reason to hide it?  I can't fathom a word of this argument because this being the case (and me being scum) would require me to deliberately take anti-team actions and then lie about them without reason.

With that being said, there's no flavor in your N1 redirect indicating it being related to Dwarf Fortress, while the N2 one did (smelling of alcohol).  On top of which, there are other confirmed redirectors/randomizers in the game, so accusing me of lying when other redirectors exist is rather silly.
You mentioned it was a one-shot (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7043660#msg7043660) inferred to reference N1, but this mentions N2. I targeted Jack N2; this matches the one you mentioned.
Yes, I did use it N2, and I never stated or implied otherwise.  I'm not sure what you're saying here.  The post you quoted of mine was on Day 3 saying "last night", referring to N2, so I have no idea what you're trying to say in this post.

Edit on that part--the flash of light was pertaining to me being redirected; me slipping and falling = getting roleblocked.

Quote
I'm honestly rather disappointed that this is the reason you're voting for me.  A thought experiment I started doing on Mafia Universe and which I'm doing here as well is to, every so often, try to look at myself from an uniformed townie's perspective and build a case against myself.  This is helpful in all alignments because it allows me to think of ways to defend myself should those accusations arise.  Earlier D4 I did this and, to my aggravation, came up with a decently strong case against myself based on my action claim, the known actions (and, perhaps more importantly, lack of actions), and old meta, but you managed to hit none of those points and instead accuse me on incredibly shaky and nonsensical ground.
It's more of a pressure vote, really. You concluded very quickly, if I could comment on how you drew that 'honestly disappointed' card--in my arsenal of today, I need brevity (because RL stuff .-.) but that aside, I'm pretty open to discussion given the state of the game and number of scum left :)
I'm not entirely sure what any of this means either.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 28, 2016, 12:04:45 am
Yes, I did use it N2, and I never stated or implied otherwise.  I'm not sure what you're saying here.  The post you quoted of mine was on Day 3 saying "last night", referring to N2, so I have no idea what you're trying to say in this post.
Just saying it looks really weird. You have two-shot protects left unused, also claiming that you did nothing N3, used a one-shot N2, and an unknown action N1. So it's really weird that, in speculation to bring me thinking about other means in your perspective, you bring me to think about 'random redirect that can possibly harm the scumteam N1'. On a specific person, which implies that that person is a high-value target, so the tone got to me. [Although you did mention you were absent and returned back on D2, the question lies on why you didn't act N3 remains]

That opens a large parallel if you were town, too. Why would you use a total redirect on someone? Why, as scum, would you target someone with a mass redirect with the idea that it can affect other people--if not backed up in some manner (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7057801#msg7057801)? Now this is all purely conjecture, given that I could've been hit by TBF N1, and I'm glaring at griffinpup with the same intensity I'm glaring at you, and it also makes sense on TBF targeting me onto NQT, and him targeting me given TBF's ability--especially on how it plays out in hindsight.


PFP

Unvote, griffinpup; what did you do?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 28, 2016, 12:15:14 am
Tiruin: I did nothing N1.  I'm pretty sure I've said this already, perhaps as far back as D2, and if I didn't that's my bad and it's on me.

Now, why did I hit the mass-randomize on Jack?  Because even after the whole kerfuffle with NQT I was pretty sure Jack was town, so I used my strongest protection ability on him.  There are more ways to hinder a player than simply killing them, and given the lack of a kill N1 I did have some concerns about delayed-kill abilities (arsonist, poisoner, etc) that my protection wouldn't block, thus my use of extreme overkill in keeping him safe.  Plus, there was always a chance that a kill directed at him would hit a scum member instead, which would be pretty sweet in and of itself.

Why I didn't act N3?  Because I didn't have any targets.  I considered protecting Jack but given the lack of a kill decided to hold onto my limited uses for later, and while I was tempted to kill griffinpup (who was my next suspect after TBF flipped scum) I a) didn't have enough evidence to feel confident in making such a unilateral decision and b) given that Deus Asmoth had, on Day Three (I think, might have been Day Two) mentioned that he had blocked NQT as part of a toss-up between him and me, I figured that it wasn't impossible DA would block me and, not knowing how limited-use interacted with blocks, didn't want to risk burning an ability to no affect.

Also, what conclusions am I jumping to in that?  It was the exact facts plus my personal opinion: you did indeed hit none of the points I had thought up for why I was scum, and I saw your argument as nonsensical for reasons that I reiterated above.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 28, 2016, 12:23:37 am
Also, what conclusions am I jumping to in that?  It was the exact facts plus my personal opinion: you did indeed hit none of the points I had thought up for why I was scum, and I saw your argument as nonsensical for reasons that I reiterated above.
While a very rare case for me--in this current setting, considering external conditions, my prowess in words at the moment does not match the perception I have in seeing things. :P Apologies for my lack of precision.

I figured that it wasn't impossible DA would block me and, not knowing how limited-use interacted with blocks, didn't want to risk burning an ability to no affect.
Planning for N3...why do you think you're a prominent target for this certain person? There's always a possibility you'll be targeted, but there's a sense of certainty here that I can see.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(8/9): Day 3: Nobody died. Again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 28, 2016, 12:26:18 am
TBF:
Wait, I'm NOT a top-frequency poster?  Why the carp am I being so quiet?

Everybody:Questions?
What did you expect this to accomplish?

Jack:
Deus: So you're the one behind the failed block that NQT wanted information on.  Hm.  Why did you try to block NQT and why claim this now (not earlier or later)?
I didn't claim it earlier because NQT didn't ask for information on the block as far as I could see, he just mentioned that someone tried to block him and it failed in order to prevent paradox (which... seems odd since the only time it would cause a paradox would have been if we'd both targeted each other in which case the result is irrelevant since it's a self contained unit, but whatever). I'm claiming it now because it saves us the waste of time that giving a vague answer and leaving you to decide that you're not happy with a vague answer and asking again would have been. I blocked him because you and Tiruin seemed unlikely to be mafia to me at the time and NQT seemed slightly more likely to be scum than 4mask at the time as I recall. Plus I figured that if he were scum along with one of the newer players he'd be more likely to do the kill so that they wouldn't have to fake claim an action later.
This is the post in question that I thought about.  DA had mentioned D3 earlier that day that he'd chosen his roleblock for N1 between me and NQT, so I figured I had higher than average odds of being blocked.  As I noted, though, that was just icing on the cake of not having a clear target and wanting to conserve my abilities for when they really mattered.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 28, 2016, 12:36:36 am
PFP
To finish my roleclaim--I shotgun'd protect everyone N3, and I double protected Jack A T at that time too.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Jack A T on June 28, 2016, 02:13:18 am
Full roleclaims, please.  That includes action records.
For posterity: TBF, scum, was the most frequent poster.
Are you NQT? :P
Tiruin: Nope.  Just amused to see someone almost as far from NQT's model of scum as possible turn out to be scum.

Player-by-player TBF interaction/relationship examination:
Spoiler: long long long (click to show/hide)
TBF clashed widely.  There was almost certainly significant bussing sometime in the game.  Relationships were interesting.

Ranking people from most to least likely scum:
1. Deus (of players not confirmed, weakest relationship with TBF either way, and has contributed almost nothing else.)
2. griffinpup
3. Tiruin and 4mask (tie: each has a strong, but imperfect, point in their favour)
5. BHK
6. Wozzy (basically confirmed town)

Deus Asmoth: Looking through everything, I found your activity troubling.  Specifically, I found the lack of it troubling.
So far, your voting and FoSing record is the absolute slimmest of the game.  Voting alone, you've given one vote in four days, tied with the voting-uneasy Wozzy.  At least he FoSes, though.
You've given us one full-on suspect in four days: TBF.  Outside of that, you once had a gut feeling, but you never tried to solidify that through questioning.  You asked NQT two questions to defend yourself (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7040122#msg7040122), but that's it.  Nothing else D1 or D2.
And your latest block?  You've never even spoken to 4mask.  You've only even mentioned him once before (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7056313#msg7056313), to say that you found him less scummy than NQT D1.

I want to see a full set of reads from you, including reasons.  In addition, I would like to know why you interact so little with those you suspect enough to block.  Why don't you work to actively improve those gut feelings?

Also, what made you decide to act at all N1?  You had nothing but a gut feeling to act on then, and risked stopping a useful town action.  Why act?
Why block 4mask N3, too?  Who did you block N2?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 28, 2016, 03:28:41 am
Full roleclaims, please.  That includes action records.
And then the Law was scum all along. :P
Ok, coping mechanism of humor aside.



I am currently the Queen of Canada. Otherwise, I am me, Tiruin.
I have three powers in my ability list, with the fourth being the Queen.
I have a one-shot 'make one post post-death that has its contents limited to info in-game', day-activated; unused.
I have a two-shot Timezone ability that adds a 24 hour extension (not counted to the total extensions) to the game--both are used.
I have a one-shot/no-shot Protect ability, which is modeled around my personality in a way...I guess? I aimed all of it at Jack A T since N1, then used the one-shot on N3. The one-shot is basically converting the Protect to target everyone alive.

Contending abilities:
N1: Redirected; Roleblocked. Hindsight notes that NQT's flavor was me slipping and then getting a concussion (RB); White Flash (redirection) would probably be an unclaimed redirector, or TBF's flavor. It all led to NQT and was blocked anywya.
N2: Redirected to 4maskwolf; the flavor matches his claim (flavor out of nowhere--a significant note for him), albeit easily confused by me because I saw a similarity of 'Short Term Memory Loss' from both N1 and N2; N1 was a white flash, N2 had me reeking of alcohol.
*** I have received my omen meaning via PM on N3 and D4 accordingly (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039110;topicseen#msg7039110), [Legend (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7061727;topicseen#msg7061727)]; the first telling me 'I can act again tonight {N3}', the second revealing a full role {Hii Wozzy!}, the third hangs in the balance of the Fates.
N3 had me doing both Protects. Aiming first at Jack A T, and the second as a shotgun-everyone act. I was not interrupted whatsoever (so all flavor is mine, and the tarot reading).

In hindsight in recalling my notes, this is what partially poked me to suspecting 4mask or the others who have not acted; it seems convenient, given my rambling about what I'll be doing in the past days--I lied about me using my one-shot N2 but I don't think anyone believed it anyway, so I withheld it until i saw everyone (but griffin :v) actionclaim.

3. Tiruin and 4mask (tie: each has a strong, but imperfect, point in their favour)
Awh :> I still wonder why I'm up there though!
Also that is one brilliantly formatted list, Jack. Basically--I would like to die tonight to eliminate any suspect; worst case is me dwelling my time away because there's a mislynch (resulting in people voting other dudes), then I die in the night in which I cannot protect myself from (unless I lied about my roleclaim :v but BHK stated his tarot reading bypasses everything, and I do not pass Go!).

Deus Asmoth: Looking through everything, I found your activity troubling.  Specifically, I found the lack of it troubling.
While I'd agree with the point for Griffin/TDS at the start, noting the vote down in recalling my notes has it as a light lead. That said, considering DA's claimant (And somehow his interest in what I did last night?), he'd either be fakeclaiming on the power of his abilities, or trueclaiming...or softclaiming as a guise.

Either way, we've got a scenario of Griffin/4mask/DA.
Wozzy has a kill-shot, BHK has a randomizer, Jack has...nothing after N4 since I'm going to be gone (however if y'all believe I'm towny enough, you can skip the night and..try your luck? I'm OUT of protects and everything other than my 'one post after death', so I'll be fairly little use other than a regular voter)

...And that makes the seven of us. I believe we should cast our lots on one of them, either griffin/DA--in the worst case scenario, via process of elimination; Wozzy shoots whomever is the remainder. Given the claims at hand, especially the action order--redirectors/roleblockers go before kills, and yet it is commonly known that the redirector cannot target THEMSELF, and if DA is scum (griffin gets lynched), he's either got that ultimate roleblock to save himself OR a fakeclaim.

Game over for scum in this case, presuming either of the 3 is scum. However I cannot see it reasonable due to many circumstances that BHK/Wozzy (If BHK is scum, I'll be :O! That's some bussing!), or Jack, is scum.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 28, 2016, 03:03:34 pm
So I've already full role-claimed.  I have a random redirect, the flavor is an explosion of light. (I'm a cosmosy-thing)
1. I light-exploded Tiruin, BHK, and then no-one
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 28, 2016, 03:28:12 pm
I am a role based around Tarot Cards.

I can visit a person to give them a tarot reading once per game that has varied effects depending on the cards I draw.

The High Priestess: Target learns the full role of another player.
The Empress: Target gets a spare action useable beyond death.
The Chariot: Targets action will work as they intend regardless of anyone else's actions related. ( example - if Jack AT were a Vig who wanted to shoot Deus Asmoth being protected by two protectives and who was also bussed with Tiruin, it would end with Deus Asmoth dead irregardless. )
The Hermit: Grants target a one shot lie detector.
The Wheel of Fortune: 1-shot night ability from list of Track, Watch, Alignment Inspect, Block, Kill, which will disappear from their role after use.
The Fates: Randomly redirects target's action.
The Moon: PMs target a random player's username and tells them that they are mafia.
The Sun: PMs target a random player's username and tells them their true alignment.
The Renewal: Renews all of target's shotted abilities.
The Fool: Effect of a random other tarot card.
Death: Target dies, regardless of anything. See The Chariot, except with death.

N1 - Tiruin, The Empress(N2), The High Priestess(N3), Death(N4).
N2 - I hate you guys Went to Jack A T, fell through a patch of ground, woke up with amnesia, bruises, and the scent of alcohol. Set out to my own house, saw an explosion of light, went to Tiruin, then got redirected again to Deus Asmoth. The Sun(N3), The Fool(N4), The Hermit(N5).
N3 - Griffinpup, The Wheel of Fortune(N4), The Wheel of Fortune(N5), The Hermit(N6).
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 28, 2016, 05:58:53 pm
Oh.  Cool.  DA
Who'd you tell your alignment too?  And why didn't you mention anything?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 29, 2016, 12:32:03 am
N2 - I hate you guys Went to Jack A T, fell through a patch of ground, woke up with amnesia, bruises, and the scent of alcohol. Set out to my own house, saw an explosion of light, went to Tiruin, then got redirected again to Deus Asmoth. The Sun(N3), The Fool(N4), The Hermit(N5).
Still wondering how come I got the effects of your N2, too. :P

So I've already full role-claimed.  I have a random redirect, the flavor is an explosion of light. (I'm a cosmosy-thing)
1. I light-exploded Tiruin, BHK, and then no-one
Dats it? :I Surely you've other things in your pocket than...just an 'ability that randomly redirects'.

Oh.  Cool.  DA
Who'd you tell your alignment too?  And why didn't you mention anything?
Alignment whatnow? O_o
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 29, 2016, 12:50:57 am
Oh.  Cool.  DA
Who'd you tell your alignment too?  And why didn't you mention anything?
No.
As in, it gives an investigative result to the target.
So DA knows the alignment of someone.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 29, 2016, 12:55:05 am
Oh.  Cool.  DA
Who'd you tell your alignment too?  And why didn't you mention anything?
No.
As in, it gives an investigative result to the target.
So DA knows the alignment of someone.
I'm lucky I remember that post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7062962#msg7062962) because of how he worded it. :P "surprising no one". Humor \o/
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 29, 2016, 11:28:26 am
Oh.  Cool.  DA
Who'd you tell your alignment too?  And why didn't you mention anything?
No.
As in, it gives an investigative result to the target.
So DA knows the alignment of someone.
My apologies.  I totally misunderstood the effect of the sun, apparently.  Unvote.

And yeah.  That is my only power.  I'm pretty chapped.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Wozzy on June 29, 2016, 01:04:16 pm
PFP

Literally a thought dump, so I'm sorry it seems....random.

So we have one vote on GP and one on DA, right? (mod plz)

I used my ability to skip N4. Even if it doesn't work to save Tiruin, at least we don't have to worry about GP potentially using WoF to kill someone if he is Mafia.

The fact that we haven't had a single kill confused me. I just don't get it, are we nailing our protects that well.

Roleblocking is generally a scum ability, but we still don't know if they have an actual ability to kill, or if they select a target to kill. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the later, and we just did a great job of protecting.

With that said, we have three votes technically, so let's use them.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 29, 2016, 01:37:42 pm
Oh, and I suppose that being my only ability isn't entirely truthful.  I also have a 1-shot auto that gives the guy who kills me my redirect... Cuz yeah.  Grr.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Jack A T on June 29, 2016, 01:49:13 pm
Extend.

This extend probably won't go through, so note that if we are still tied in a few hours, I will unvote.  I prefer a Deus lynch, but griffinpup is acceptable to me.

I'd trace back the claimed power uses as best I could, but I just woke up and we've only got a few hours without extension.

The fact that we haven't had a single kill confused me. I just don't get it, are we nailing our protects that well.
Wozzy: Ludicrious amount of powers to prevent kills (blocks, protects, etc.) makes it hard to kill.  Night 2, I used a power to stop all kills.  Night 3, Tiruin claims to have used a power to protect everyone.
That leaves Night 1, which is half-explained already: TBF claimed to have been blocked that night. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7039591#msg7039591)  It is more likely than not that something (block or not) stopped his action (almost certainly the NK) N1.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 29, 2016, 02:29:20 pm
Now it's raining chocolate chips.

Votecount Initiating:

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(1): [Jack A T]
griffinpup(1): [Tiruin]
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

Day will end 6:30 P.M. central/forum time Wednesday.

Extend.
"Nope! The day can only be extended once per day! Barring role powers, anyway."
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Jack A T on June 29, 2016, 02:40:35 pm
Unvote.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 29, 2016, 05:36:15 pm
Sorry, people. I realise that my play this game has been pretty (entirely) abysmal. On the bright side, as far as I can tell, as long as Tiruin is town and doesn't die tonight it's literally impossible for the town to lose at this stage since she lives as long as Jack does in that case. So at the minute the game is basically won as long as Wozzy's night skip does what he thinks it does.

So for players:
Jack is confirmed as town assuming BHK's ability works like he says it does.
Tiruin is unlikely to be scum unless asking to die is part of a gambit.
Wozzy seems likely to be town. If he skips tonight the town can't lose, so it seems unlikely that he'd claim this ability as scum.
BHK has claimed confirmable actions, but the scum also haven't performed any kills. Interaction with TBF makes it unlikely that he'd be scum.
4mask: I don't think it's very unlikely that he'd bus a scum partner that would almost certainly be lynched the next day anyway barring a major turnaround. Seems most likely scum at the minute to me, but I need to get time to do a proper re read.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: griffinpup on June 29, 2016, 05:42:24 pm
Also... FYI Tiruin, you're lynching me.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): Day 5: The ashes
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 29, 2016, 06:43:10 pm
"Yes, yes, she is. Take him out, L.Y.N.C.H.!"

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
griffinpup(1): [Tiruin]
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

A burst of color shoots forth from the L.Y.N.C.H., striking griffinpup and enfolding within itself. And then it imploded. The colored remnants of the Thing's life float away in a silver breeze.

griffinpup was This (http://www.fractal-recursions.com/large/518.jpg)(town)
(Night): Explosion of You [target]: You explode yourself around your target. Your dazzling, confusing, “beauty” results in your target being “randomized”, changing his/her target(s) to random players.
(1-Shot, Auto): Recursion: When you die, the player that is the direct cause of your death(placing the hammer vote on you, using a kill action on you, whatnot) will gain your role, minus this auto.


"Well then. I'm pretty sure it's time for the fourth night, right?"

Negative.

"Eh? Why not?"

Incoming infernal entities. Estimated number: over nine thousand.

"Infernal entities... oh."

Null seems to be staring at a horde of demonic things that are flying towards you all.

"Okay, okay, through the portal! I'll handle this!"
~~~
48 hours later, Null pokes his head back through the portal.

"Okay, all clear! Sadly, I was a little lazy in dealing with them... so I ended up using up all the time that would have been the fourth night phase. Sorry. So... I think it's time for Day 5 to begin.

Votecount Initiating:

Votecount:
Deus Asmoth(0): []
Jack A T(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Wozzy(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Tiruin(0): []

Day 5 will end 6:40 P.M. or so central/forum time Sunday.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): Day 5: The ashes.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 29, 2016, 09:11:28 pm
Deus Asmoth seems most likely to be scum at this point, since BHK and Wozzy are unlikely and Tiruin has protection from lynches anyway and I have no specific reason to disbelieve her claims of protecting people at night.

On another note, responding to something said shortly before day end.

4mask: I don't think it's very unlikely that he'd bus a scum partner that would almost certainly be lynched the next day anyway barring a major turnaround. Seems most likely scum at the minute to me, but I need to get time to do a proper re read.
Bro, that trick does not work as well as you seem to think it does, particularly when you have a reputation for it like I do.  I don't blindly bus people, thank you very much, I only do it if it'll actually earn me townie points (or I think there is a good chance it will).  And come on, with this crowd, who would actually give me town points for being the last person on the TBF lynch?

That being said, I'm going to laugh my ass off after the game if this is a high-risk gambit that backfired horribly on me because of the way confirmed and near confirmed town are shaking out, because that's classic 4mask right there.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(7/9): Day 4: You make Null weep.
Post by: Tiruin on June 29, 2016, 11:08:04 pm
Also... FYI Tiruin, you're lynching me.
>_>
<_<
>.>
<.<
I was asleep.

SOOOOO
Uh ._.
Sorry, people. I realise that my play this game has been pretty (entirely) abysmal. On the bright side, as far as I can tell, as long as Tiruin is town and doesn't die tonight it's literally impossible for the town to lose at this stage since she lives as long as Jack does in that case. So at the minute the game is basically won as long as Wozzy's night skip does what he thinks it does.
Oh *pats and hugs* :<
We all have those times wherein we don't match our commitments due to external reasons entirely or partially out of our control. You're still an awesome dude just like everyone else here! :>

That said...
...
Uh, I guess I cheated death?

Incoming infernal entities. Estimated number: over nine thousand.

"Infernal entities... oh."

Null seems to be staring at a horde of demonic things that are flying towards you all.
Town Necromancer o_o

Deus Asmoth
I'm all :3 here because as mentioned before--I exhausted my protects, meaning that I cannot protect anyone anymore and only have that dayextend, which is all exhausted as per yesterday, meaning the ONLY power I had left was the "Avatar" power, pertaining to me being able to make one post post-death.

Guess what happened~

My role was wiped! (But the only role I got left with was griffinpup's)
So, dun dun duuuun~
The last scum, is YOU! [I think you forget that note there...that I shotgun'd my ability (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.msg7062962#msg7062962) and was one big unspoken cue on my vote on my marking you in my suspect list beforehand]
(Also I'm not the Queen anymore o_o I'm a SHINING STAR OF LIGHT!)
/me breakdances into disco.

Thankfully the /me tag is silly. :v


Deus Asmoth
Shorten.
I'm calling near perfect town game here, as lynches were caused by either external circumstances [I was asleep T_T] and misunderstanding NQT. :P
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): Day 5: The ashes.
Post by: Jack A T on June 30, 2016, 01:06:47 am
And come on, with this crowd, who would actually give me town points for being the last person on the TBF lynch?
4mask: Me, because you weren't just the last person: you ensured the lynch (flipped the vote from 3-3 to 4-2).  Your meta means you get fewer town points, but you got enough to keep you under Deus and griffinpup on my list.

That being said, you're just under Deus now.

(Also I'm not the Queen anymore o_o I'm a SHINING STAR OF LIGHT!)
Tiruin: I reject this anti-monarchist plot against the Crown of Canada.

Deus Asmoth, Shorten.  Wozzy's town.  I'm town.  Tiruin spent yesterday trying to die.  BHK spent D3 in a very non-bussy clash with TBF.

Wozzy: Please shoot 4mask.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): Day 5: The ashes.
Post by: Wozzy on June 30, 2016, 05:21:14 am
PFP
@Jack, done.

Deus AsmothShorten
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(6/9): Day 5: The ashes.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on June 30, 2016, 05:25:47 am
Deus Asmoth. Shorten.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 30, 2016, 08:37:16 am
"Oh, NOW you get competent. Take him out, L.Y.N.C.H.!"

Votecount:
It shouldn't need stating, at this point.

The L.Y.N.C.H does nothing for a few moments. Then it prints a line of text.

"Null Nevermore, you are dead."

"Suppose I am, then. Bah."

Deus Asmoth's Mask disintegrates, revealing none other than Null Nevermore.

"All right clone, you did fine. But I'll take my rightful place back now."

The previous Null Nevermore disintegrates with a grin on his face.

Null steps away, entering a portal.

Analysis:

Null Nevermore(mafia)
(Night): Action Nullification [target]: I nullify the target’s action, effectively blocking them. Nullification magic for the win!
(1-Shot, Night, Mafiakill): Absolute Nullification [target]: I nullify my target’s role. Absolutely, completely, utterly. If they are town, they are reduced to a Vanilla Townie, and if they are mafia, they are reduced to a Mafioso. In addition, their vote(s) is/are nullified also. But they aren’t told that, nor will it show up in the vote count. Heh heh… also, it’s worth noting that although this action doesn’t kill, it still counts as a kill action.


Game over. Town win.

The remaining Masks disintegrate.

And then holes in the world open, sucking everybody through them.

"I'm thinking you've earned this. The portals will take you home. They may also result in temporary insanity and memory loss. Like, complete memory loss. What, you think I want to get the knowledge that I LOST A GAME spread throughout the multiverse? Have fun!"

With that, everybody is pulled towards their respective portal. But two people still have things to do.

First, Wozzy, now revealed as the demonic archer Leraje, draws forth an arrow from his quiver and shoots it at 4maskwolf. It hits, and a horrible necrosis afflicts him.

A highly powerful virus was soon found infecting the Bay12Games main server.

Second... Jack A T pulled forth a golden crown, the crown of the Queen of Canada, and tossed it to Tiruin, who caught it, surprised.

"Take this... and remember me."

The portals finished the job soon after, sending the former players of the game back to their home worlds. As an afterthought, Null tosses a sphere of energy through Tiruin's portal before it closed.

The ball of energy stabilized Tiruin's new form, making her mostly human.

"Well then. That was fun. At least until I lost. Hm. I'm going to go help Lord English destroy his section of the multiverse or whatever he plans on doing."

Null vanishes from existence. The L.Y.N.C.H. is soon collected by Nowhere, who disappears in a flash of light.

Game over. Town win.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 30, 2016, 08:40:41 am
And, for the first time, 4mask lynched two scum and was not himself scum.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 30, 2016, 08:42:12 am
So what was everybody else?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 30, 2016, 09:00:37 am
Now for... the original roles, and commentary on them!



Spoiler: notquitethere (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Jack A T (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: BlackHeartKabal (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Wozzy (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: 4maskwolf (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Tiruin (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Overall game notes: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: notquitethere on June 30, 2016, 09:32:36 am
My read on Deus was spot on, and TBF was also in my kill-next pile. This might have been the only time my being lynched as town has actively benefited town.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 30, 2016, 10:06:10 am
And... for your convenience:


Also, have the dead chat [link] (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/pkneucBQvtcED).

Now then.
One final note: there was a potential mod error made when TBF redirected BHK to Deus. I'm not sure whether I acted as I should have when that happened(what I should have done was roll initiative for griffinpup and TBF to see who went first). I may or may not have done that, I'm not sure.

Now I'm going to report this game finished.
Good game, y'all.
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: griffinpup on June 30, 2016, 10:54:44 am
Oh and Tiruin, I have a different reading of the fact that our 2 bad lynches were complete accidents  :P  I take that as more of a bad sign then anything else
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: Tiruin on June 30, 2016, 11:59:49 am
So many heartwarming moments. :'( Thanks for the Crown Jack :'(

Big sorry to NQT and anyone else who felt :( , noticed you were stressy when you were going to get hammered there dude. :<
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 30, 2016, 12:09:10 pm
Yeah. Well, that was not an unexpected result I guess. I'm probably going to quit playing for a while until I adjust to my new work pattern, because my activity in this game was brutal, especially considering how much coordination we'd have needed to get around all those town powers.

(Though in my defence I was supposed to get bussed on day 3  >:( )
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: Tiruin on June 30, 2016, 12:10:02 pm
Yeah. Well, that was not an unexpected result I guess. I'm probably going to quit playing for a while until I adjust to my new work pattern, because my activity in this game was brutal, especially considering how much coordination we'd have needed to get around all those town powers.

(Though in my defence I was supposed to get bussed on day 3  >:( )
Big hugs to you too :< Saw that bit on work loads and such. Wishing you well there, especially with life at large! \o/ May you have a great time over there dude!
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: Jack A T on June 30, 2016, 03:06:20 pm
Good game, everyone.

Next BYOR role: The _____ Role That Publicly Gives Tiruin A Silly Title and Pointless Power Every Day.

Fallacy: PM flavour?
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: notquitethere on June 30, 2016, 05:16:04 pm
Big sorry to NQT and anyone else who felt :( , noticed you were stressy when you were going to get hammered there dude. :<
It's fine, no hard feelings. I'm glad I was able to spill everything I know and lay out my suspicions before the hammer went through.

Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: Wozzy on June 30, 2016, 06:32:10 pm
Good game! And I managed to stay in character even after victory!
"Good job, you win, you can go home-" "Not so fast, I still have my day-kill, muahaha!"
Title: Re: Fallacy's BYOR(5/9): GAME OVER.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 30, 2016, 06:59:45 pm