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Title: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on April 12, 2010, 01:35:15 pm
This is a slightly redacted version of Ringmaster's old arena tournament, with some of the additions that were requested. Knowing my luck I'll be spending at least one week a day redacting a new ruleset, but here it is:

The whole point of this thread is to use arena mode to throw fights. Hopefully some forumites will create characters and I will pit them against each other in a fight to the death. The main point is to have fun, and I will be recording the fights and posting them on the DFMA (Link (http://mkv25.net/dfma/index.php)).


Rules

1. You can choose to have one fighter. This fighter can be chosen from any of the choices available in the Object Testing Arena of DF2010 (EXCEPT Megabeasts). Please use this form to request a fighter:

Species: (Dwarf, Human, Antman, etc. Remember, NO Megabeasts. Also, due to an apparent bug in the Arena, grimelings are also not allowed. And from the next tournament onwards, any beasties that are confirmed 'immortal' e.g. blizzardmen are disallowed. Due to popular request, ogres have been banned too.)
Gender: Male/Female
Weapon: (Iron short sword, rose gold warhammer, etc.)
Ammo: (If necessary: Iron/Gold/etc. Bolts/Arrows/Blowdarts)
Head Armour: (Iron/Gold/Silk/Wood/etc. Mask/Helm/Cap/None)
Hand Armour: (Iron/Gold/Silk/Wood/etc. Gauntlets/Gloves/Mittens/None)
Body Armour: (Iron/Gold/Silk/Wood/etc. Breastplate/Mail Shirt/None)
Foot Armour: (Iron/Gold/Silk/Wood/etc. High Boot/Low boot/None)
Leg Armour: (Iron/Gold/Silk/Wood/etc. Leggings/Greaves/None)
Shields: (Iron/Gold/Silk/Wood/etc. Shield/Buckler/None)
Skills: (See below for full list of skills)

To create your fighter, a points system will be used. It'll be very similar to the one used in Adventurer Mode. Everyone starts with 120 points and it can be allocated to any of these:

Weapon: All weapon types are free. (Short sword, warhammer, etc.) But only the first weapon is free. If you want to dual-wield, it is a 6 point cost.

Ammo: If ammo is needed for a weapon, then 20 wooden bolts/darts/arrows will be given for free at the start of every round. If you want higher quality ammunition, then it will cost.

Head Armour: Having no head armour is free.
Masks/Veils/Turbans/Headscarves are 5 points
Caps are 7 points
Helms are 10 points

Hand: No hand armour is free.
Mittens/Gloves are 5 points
Gauntlets are 8 points

Body: No body armour is free.
Coats/Shirts/Cloaks/Tunics/Togas/Capes/Vests/Dresses and Robes are all 5 points
Breastplates are 8 points
Mail shirts are 13 points

Leg: No leg armour is free.
Trousers/Loincloths/Thongs/Skirts/Short skirts/Long skirts/Braies are all 5 points
Greaves: 8 points
Leggings: 10 points

Foot: No foot armour is free
Shoes/Sandals/Chausses/Socks are all 5 points
Low boots: 7 points
High boots: 9 points

Shields: No shields are free.
Buckler: 6 points
Shield: 8 points

Materials: Special Alloys/Other Elements/Wood/Silk (E.g. Rose Gold/Lead/Saguaro/Cave spider. Two exceptions.) Are the weakest of the materials: 3 points
Copper, 2nd weakest: 5 points
Bronze/Bismuth Bronze, 3rd weakest: 8 points
Iron, 4th strongest: 12 points
Steel/Obsidian, 3rd strongest: 16 points
Adamantine, 2nd strongest: 25 points
Slade, Strongest: 60 points

Skills: You can choose from any of these skills:
Fighter
Archer
Axeman
Swordsman
Knife User
Maceman
Hammerman
Spearman
Pikeman
Lasher
Crossbowman
Bowman
Blowgunner
Wrestler
Striker
Kicker
Biter
Dodger
Shield User
Armor User
Thrower
Ambusher
Swimmer
Observer
Misc. Object User

There is a cost for each of the skill levels:

None: Free
Novice: 5 points
Adequate: 12 points
Competant: 18 points
Skilled: 23 points
Proficient: 31 points
Talented: 38 points
Adept: 42 points
Expert: 49 points
Professional: 55 points
Accomplished: 65 points
Great: 75 points
Master: 89 points
High Master: 95 points
Grand Master: 100 points

Character code:

Code: [Select]
[b]Species:[/b]
[b]Gender:[/b]
[b]Ammo[/b]
[b]Weapon:[/b]
[b]Head Armour:[/b]
[b]Hand Armour:[/b]
[b]Body Armour:[/b]
[b]Foot Armour:[/b]
[b]Leg Armour:[/b]
[b]Shields:[/b]
[b]Skills:[/b]

Spoiler: Example Character (click to show/hide)

2. The rounds begin as soon as 16 competitors have signed up.

3. Each round consists of fights with certain rules. It may be one-on-one duels, two-on-two team fights, etc.

4. The winners of each round receive an extra 10 points that they may spend on upgrading equipment or skills.

5. There is no penalty for losing. This is just a bit of fun.

6. There may be a tournament-style competition held soon, however it largely depends on how much interest is generated. If there's enough for a good tournament, then I'll hold one.

7. Fights will be recorded on DF and posted on the DFMA.

8. If you have any suggestions on how this idea could be improved upon (Suggestions especially needed for the points system), please PM me.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on April 12, 2010, 01:35:37 pm
Character roster:

Name: Urist Imiknorris
Species: Antman (Male)
Weapon: Copper Spear [5]
Shield: Nether-cap Shield x3 [33]
Headwear: Nether-cap Helm [13]
Bodywear: Nether-cap Mail Shirt [16]
Legwear: Nether-cap Leggings [13]
Handwear: Nether-cap Gauntlets (two pairs) [17]
Footwear: Nether-cap High Boots [12]
Skill: Novice Shield User [5]
Total: 114 points
Left: 6 points

Name: Orgrinder
Species: Polar Bear
Gender: Male
Ammo: Iron Breastplate (20),
Skills:Accomplished Biter (65), Adequate Armor User (12), Competant Dodger (18)
Total: 115 points
Left: 5.

Name: The Shadow
Species: Nightwing
Skills:  Professional Spearuser (55)
Equipment: Adamantine spear (25), Adamantine mail shirt (38)
Total: 118 points
Left: 2 points

Name: Fireheart
Species: Dwarf
Sex: Male
Armor: None
Weapons: Slade short sword: 60 Points
Skills: Professional Swordsman, Novice Wrestler
Professional Swordsman: 55 Points
Novice Wrestler: 5 Points
Total: 120 Points
Left: 0

Name: Bjorn the Polar Bear (male)  DEAD
Bodywear: Iron Breastplate
Skills:Accomplished Biter, Adequate Armor User, Competent Dodger, Novice Fighter
Total: 120 points
Left: 0

Name: Doomshifter  DEAD
Species: Batman
Gender: Male
Weapon: None
Head Armour: Bat Leather Mask - 8 Points
Hand Armour: Bat Leather Gauntlets - 11 points
Body Armour: Bat Leather Armour - 8 points
Foot Armour: Bat Leather High Boots - 12 points
Leg Armour: Bat Leather Leggings - 11 points
Shields: None
Skills:
Proficient Dodger - 31
Proficient Wrestler - 31
Novice Fighter - 5
Total: 117 points
Left: 3 points.

Name: A_fey_dwarf
Species: Troglodyte
Gender: Male
Weapon: Steel Spear
Armour: Never heard of it.
Skills: Grandmaster Spearman
Total: 116 points.
Left: 4 points.
Note: Obsidian changed to steel due to problems in spawning obsidian spears.

Name:Gâsh  DEAD
Race:   Fireman
Skills:   NA
Equpment:   steel long sword (16)
steel breastplate (24)
steel greaves (24)
steel shield (24)
steel high boots (25)
Total: 113 points
Left: 7 points

Name: Sigurd
Race: Human
Adamantine great axe (25)
High master axeman (95)
Total: 120 points.
Left: 0.

Player: Digital Hellhound
Species: Tigerman
Gender: Male
Weapon: Steel Longsword (16)
Head Armour: Highwood Mask (8)
Body Armour: Silk Shirt (8)
Leg Armour: Silk Trousers (8)
Skills:
Adept Swordsman (42)
Proficient Dodger (31)
Novice Fighter (5)
Total: 118 points.
Left: 2 points.

Name: Great Kalah
Species: Sea Serpent
Gender: Male
Head Armour: Gold Helm (13)
Body Armour: Gold Mail Shirt (16)
Skills: Master Biter (89)
Total: 118 points.
Left: 2 points.

Name: Madjoe
Species:Fire Man
Gender:Male
Weapon: Slade Halberd [60]
Head Armour:Iron Helm [22]
Body Armour:Iron Breastplate [20]
Skills:Competent Axeman [18]
Total: 120 points.
Left: 0.

Name: Flagro  DEAD
Species: Human
Gender: Male
Weapon: Lead flail [3]
Skills: Adept Maceman [42]
Great Dodger [75]
Total: 120 points.
Left: 0.

Name: Cannon Fodder
Gender: Male?
Race: Human
Equipment: Adamantium axe [25], copper mask [10]
Skills: Adept Axeman [42], Adept dodger [42]
Total: 119 points.
Left: 1 point.

Name: Areku
Species: Troll
Gender: Male
Weapon: Adamantine Greataxe x2 - 56 points
Head Armour: Racoon leather cap -10 points
Leg Armour: Sasquatch leather trousers - 8 points
Skills: Adept axeman - 42 points
Total: 116 points.
Left: 4 points.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on April 12, 2010, 01:55:27 pm
Gauntlets and boots question:

If I wanted a character with more than one pair of hands/feet, would this be covered by a single "Gauntlets" or "High/Low Boots" purchase?

Also, material cost for leather?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on April 12, 2010, 01:57:34 pm
Leather is under "other materials", thus 3 points.
And one pair of gauntlets and boots covers 2 hands/feet each, with the increase of 6 points per pair, unless you use different materials - then you use the price of the regular gauntlets + material price.
Gauntlets were used here as an example, same applies to boots.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on April 12, 2010, 02:48:08 pm
Species: Antman
Caste: Drone (Male)
Weapon: Copper Spear [5]
Shield: Nether-cap Shield x3 [33]
Headwear: Nether-cap Helm [13]
Bodywear: Nether-cap Mail Shirt [16]
Legwear: Nether-cap Leggings [13]
Handwear: Nether-cap Gauntlets (two pairs) [17? 20?]
Footwear: Nether-cap High Boots [12]
Skill: Novice Shield User [5]


114 or 117 points. Does the second pair of gauntlets require the material cost?
EDIT: Accidentally read the starting points as 100.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on April 12, 2010, 03:03:34 pm
Name: NuNu
Race: Tigerman
Equip: Iron platemail (20)
Skills: Expert Dodger(49)
Competant Wrestler and Striker (36)

leaves me with 16 pionts i think
Which if i have i buy 1 Helm

Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flar Moonchill on April 12, 2010, 05:02:07 pm
Looks like fun!

Name: Orgrinder
Species: Polar Bear
Gender: Male
Ammo: Iron Breastplate (20), Leather Fez [Turban] (5)
Skills:Accomplished Biter (65), Adequate Armor User (12), Competant Dodger (18)

Think that make 120 on the dot :-)
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Zifnab on April 12, 2010, 08:05:24 pm
I'd like to request a competitor.
Name: Zifnab
Species:  Merperson
Sex:  Male
Bronze Breastplate (16), Clownite Shield (33), Bronze great axe (8)
Professional Axeman (55)  Novice Shield User (5)
Total points:  117

Remember, If you place both competitors on the south side of the central platform, aquatic and nonaquatic can both not drown.

Apparantly this doesn't actually work.  The aquatics think they are drowning and stop moving.  Different entrant requested instead.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: thunderclan on April 12, 2010, 08:23:04 pm
Name: Fireheart
Species: Dwarf
Sex: Male
Armor: None
Weapons: Clownite's Hotter Sister Short Sword
Skills: Professional Swordsman, Novice Wrestler

First Weapon: Free
Clownite's Hotter Sister material: 60 Points
Professional Swordsman: 55 Points
Novice Wrestler: 5 Points

Total: 120 Points
Points Remaining: 0

(Think I actually got the math right this time!)
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Doctor Spaztic on April 12, 2010, 08:26:49 pm
Name: Cuddles
b]Ogre[/b]
male
clownite battle axe(25)
talented dodger(38)
expert axeman(49)
novice sheilduser(5)


Ogres aren't mega-beasts right?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: SIGVARDR on April 12, 2010, 08:34:38 pm
Does the No megabeasts rule apply to semi-megabeasts?

In any case,my submission:
Name:sigurd
race:Human
Clownite great axe (25)
High master axeman (95)
total points used:120

Edit:those ogres are tough.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 12, 2010, 08:39:22 pm
Name: Bjorn the male Polar Bear
Stuff: Iron Breastplate
 Skills:Accomplished Biter, Adequate Armor User, Competent Dodger, Novice Fighter

Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Zifnab on April 12, 2010, 10:29:17 pm
In The Arena Mode Test v1, I believe mega and semi-mega beasts were both not allowed.  Which should leave ogres allowable.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: madjoe5 on April 12, 2010, 11:35:27 pm
Name: Madjoe

Species:Ogre
Gender:Male
Ammo: None
Weapon: Clownite's hotter sister Halberd  -60pts
Head Armour:Iron Helm  -22pts
Hand Armour:None
Body Armour:Iron Breastplate -20pts
Foot Armour:None
Leg Armour:None
Shields:None
Skills:Competent Axeman -18pts

Totaling at 120 points. This is going to be fun
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Kagus on April 13, 2010, 01:22:57 am
I think we may actually need to put a restriction on ogres...  Just checked the raws, and they're significantly larger than elephants.  Plus ogres can use all the armor and weapons.

By the way, Madjoe is going to slaughter everyone.  Just thought you should know.


In other news, I tried out a few aquatic combatants.  They don't appear to react properly in that little turbulent area south of the main arena, so I don't think that can exactly be termed an "equal zone".

However, setting up a specific arena might work.  Just use the magma and water tools to build walls around an area that has a number of tiles divisible by seven.  Then just apply the correct amount of water so that it turns into an even 4/7 across the board.  Aquatics should work properly, I'll just run a few tests to see if this is true.

Or you could just assign a "given" amount of swimming skill to land-based characters and then have them fight in the big pool in the southwest.


EDIT:  As an aside, you can't make weapons or armor out of non-"nugget" stones.  Obsidian doesn't exist in the arena.


EDIT2:  Placing 16 tiles of water in a 4x7 arena created a perfectly equal zone of 4/7 water.  However, aquatics still did not act naturally.  They can survive without drowning, but they can't move.  If something gets close to them they will lash out at it, otherwise they'll just sit there and glare at their opponent.

This is still better than south of the main arena, where aquatics will more than likely receive a handicap of the "winded" status due to fluctuating water levels.

The greatest amount of freedom is still offered by the pool with a granted swimming ability (heck, non-humanoids get swimming for free anyways, why not make it official?).  The landlubbers will be at a slight disadvantage, but this might give some use to the otherwise pointless "swimming" skill.  The higher their rank in it, the better they'll move in the water.


And I still haven't found anything yet that can defeat Madjoe's character.  And would it be at all possible to dispense with the clown terms?

Please?

EDIT3:  New Dilemma; should undead creatures be allowed into the arena?  And if so, should there be an associated cost?

If it helps, undead creatures are now pitiably weak.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: SIGVARDR on April 13, 2010, 02:29:40 am
Figured i would put in a new post instead of edit,my post is a bit up there.
The ogres are tough,but not invincible by a long shot. From what i have run,it comes down to mostly luck.

Edit: in fact,i have yet to see a winning ogre that hasn't bled to death seconds after the fight is over.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Kagus on April 13, 2010, 02:39:54 am
Trolls are size 250,000.
Elephants are size 5,000,000.
Ogres are size 6,000,000.

You're right, they're not invincible.  But there's not a single other non-megabeast land animal that even comes close to their raw power.


Speaking of which...

Name: Shrag

Species: Ogre
Gender: Male
Weapon: Platinum Great Axe (3)
Head Armour: Giant Cave Spider Silk Hood (8)
Hand Armour: N/A
Body Armour: Giant Cave Spider Silk Robe (8)
Foot Armour: N/A
Leg Armour: N/A
Shields: N/A
Skills: Grand Master Axe User (100).

119 points used.  All I need.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Doomshifter on April 13, 2010, 03:00:06 am
Species: Batman
Gender: Male
Weapon: None
Head Armour: Bat Leather Mask - 8 Points
Hand Armour: Bat Leather Gauntlets - 11 points
Body Armour: Bat Leather Armour - 8 points
Foot Armour: Bat Leather High Boots - 12 points
Leg Armour: Bat Leather Leggings - 11 points
Shields: None
Skills:
Proficient Dodger - 31
Proficient Wrestler - 31
Novice Fighter - 5

Leaves 3 points.
I AM THE NIGHT.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on April 13, 2010, 03:47:00 am
Species: Troglodyte
Gender: Male
Weapon: Obsidian Spear
Armour: Never heard of it.
Skills: Grandmaster Spearing
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Spartan 117 on April 13, 2010, 05:52:39 am
Saltwater Crocodile.

Grand Master Biter.

Skilled Dodger.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on April 13, 2010, 07:53:49 am
I'll go on and count the points for you guys and put you in the roster, and add some stuff from Kagus' post (thanks for that one anyway, I'll ban ogres and give stuff a proper name - mainly copied Ringmaster's post)

Yet the irony was there when you asked for one after saying we need to restrict them.
So Kagus, madjoe, Doctor Spaztic, I'm afraid you'll have to redo your characters. And zifnab, would you kindly check if merpersons are in the arena? Or can be modded to be in it?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flar Moonchill on April 13, 2010, 07:59:48 am
Name: Orgrinder
Species: Polar Bear
Gender: Male
Ammo: Iron Breastplate (20), Leather Fez [Turban] (5)
Skills:Accomplished Biter (65), Adequate Armor User (12), Competant Dodger (18)

This arena ain't big enough for the two of us lad! The Fez is the source of all a Bears power! You sir are going down!

Quote from: Acanthus117 on April 12, 2010, 08:39:22 pm
Name: Bjorn the male Polar Bear
Stuff: Iron Breastplate
 Skills:Accomplished Biter, Adequate Armor User, Competent Dodger, Novice Fighter



Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on April 13, 2010, 08:16:12 am
Name: NuNu
Race: Yeti
Equip: Iron platemail (20)Bronze Helm
Skills: Expert Dodger(49)
Competant Wrestler and Striker (36)

Leaves m 1 piont, i changed my mind i wanta yeti
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Zifnab on April 13, 2010, 08:21:19 am
I know they were in the first 2010 release.  Will check again when I'm home from work.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Digital Hellhound on April 13, 2010, 09:21:03 am
I'll enter with my character for the original game, slightly changed. Yay, +20 new points!

Player: Digital Hellhound
Species: Tigerman
Gender: Male
Weapon: Steel Longsword (16)
Head Armour: Highwood Mask (8)
Body Armour: Silk Shirt (8)
Leg Armour: Silk Trousers (8)
Skills:
Adept Swordsman (42)
Proficient Dodger (31)
Novice Fighter (5)
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Arni on April 13, 2010, 11:59:46 am
Lets be the odd one out  :D

From the depths of the magmalakes I present you a valiant fighter: Gâsh
Player:Arni
Name:Gâsh
Race:Fireman
Skills:NA
Equpment:steel long sword (16)
steel breastplate (24)
steel greaves (24)
steel shield (24)
steel high boots (25)
Makes 113 giving away entire 7 points!
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on April 13, 2010, 12:27:25 pm
aren't creates with fire and magma very powerfull?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on April 13, 2010, 01:03:09 pm
Quote from: Jetsquirrel on April 13, 2010, 12:27:25 pm
aren't creates with fire and magma very powerfull?

I have personally killed fire men with ease. Magma men are slightly tougher (emphasis on "slightly").
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: SIGVARDR on April 13, 2010, 02:02:38 pm
Reposting my entry,since everyone else is.

Name:Sigurd
Race:human
Adamantine great axe:25
High master axeman:95 points.
The berserker shuns silly notions of "armor"

Quote from: Jetsquirrel on April 13, 2010, 12:27:25 pm
aren't creates with fire and magma very powerfull?
I think,actually,most of their attacks pass through people without harming them.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Zifnab on April 13, 2010, 04:08:57 pm
Well merpersons are available, but they only seem to move around occaisonally in the place I mentioned, so to avoid problems with aquatic vs. nonaquatic, I'd like to change my entrant to:

Name: The Shadow
Species: Nightwing
Skills:  Professional Spearuser (55)
Equipment: Adamantine spear (25), Adamantine mail shirt (38)
Total: 118 points
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Kagus on April 13, 2010, 09:08:37 pm
Name: Great Kalah

Species: Sea Serpent
Gender: Male
Head Armour: Gold Helm (13)
Body Armour: Gold Mail Shirt (16)
Skills: Master Biter (89)

118 points, if I'm not mistaken.  All I have to deal with now is the fact that my character is a "Master-biter".


EDIT:  There are some faulty listings on the character sheet.  Orgrinder's leather fez should be 8 points, not 5.  NuNu's bronze helm is also valued the same as a copper helm.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on April 14, 2010, 08:54:29 am
Quote from: Kagus on April 13, 2010, 09:08:37 pm
Name: Great Kalah

Species: Sea Serpent
Gender: Male
Head Armour: Gold Helm (13)
Body Armour: Gold Mail Shirt (16)
Skills: Master Biter (89)

118 points, if I'm not mistaken.  All I have to deal with now is the fact that my character is a "Master-biter".


EDIT:  There are some faulty listings on the character sheet.  Orgrinder's leather fez should be 8 points, not 5.  NuNu's bronze helm is also valued the same as a copper helm.
I overlooked some parts, it seems... well, not even I know the formula perfectly, that means something.
Or I was just sleepy. Such is life in Dwarf Fortress.
Added everyone and recounted points all around.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: madjoe5 on April 14, 2010, 01:54:29 pm
Name: Madjoe

(new character because of ogre ban)

Species:Fire Man
Gender:Male
Ammo: None
Weapon: Clownite's hotter sister Halberd  -60pts
Head Armour:Iron Helm  -22pts
Hand Armour:None
Body Armour:Iron Breastplate -20pts
Foot Armour:None
Leg Armour:None
Shields:None
Skills:Competent Axeman -18pts

I'm pretty sure that fire men are not immortal. If they are give me a troll.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Arni on April 14, 2010, 02:58:15 pm
Quote from: madjoe5 on April 14, 2010, 01:54:29 pm
Name: Madjoe

(new character because of ogre ban)

Species:Fire Man
Gender:Male
Ammo: None
Weapon: Clownite's hotter sister Halberd  -60pts
Head Armour:Iron Helm  -22pts
Hand Armour:None
Body Armour:Iron Breastplate -20pts
Foot Armour:None
Leg Armour:None
Shields:None
Skills:Competent Axeman -18pts

I'm pretty sure that fire men are not immortal. If they are give me a troll.
Firemen are not immortal, i tried.  :)

FYI
Elementmen cant have skills. So you might want spend those 18 points on armor ;)

And there can only be one true firemanwarrior! Gâsh will burn you to ashes
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Kagus on April 14, 2010, 03:05:12 pm
...well shite, I think he's on to something.  I never even checked that.


It would appear that no one except CAN_LEARN creatures can acquire skills.  This means that all the animal and elementman characters are completely wasting their points on skills.

Uhh...  I think some urgent character revisions are in order...
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on April 14, 2010, 03:07:07 pm
not even yeti? can't you jsut add the CAN_learn tag?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Kagus on April 14, 2010, 03:18:51 pm
It would appear that, no, not even yeti can acquire skills.

Trolls can learn, however, and they're only moderately smaller than yetis and sasquatches.  Plus, they have a better natural attack (goring people with their tusks).


This, of course, only makes the nightwing even more powerful.  I didn't really know what these things were until I ran a few tests with Zifnab's character. 

Damn dude...  Those things are evil.  They have a natural bite attack with the added bonus of sucking blood, they can grasp and wield weapons and wear armor, plus they are completely unaffected by pain, nausea, suffocation, or over-exertion from extended combat.

Furthermore, they have a relatively simple body plan, which means that the adamantine mail shirt he's wearing protects all his bodyparts except for his head, feet and hands.

Oh, yeah, and they have the CAN_LEARN tag.

EDIT:  And it also appears as though they don't bleed.  This means that the ONLY way to kill one is an instant-kill attack.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on April 14, 2010, 03:43:34 pm
WHY DID YOU SAY THIS THEY WILL ALL CHOOSE NIGHTWING NOW!
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Kagus on April 14, 2010, 03:49:16 pm
Exactly.  And that's a problem, because it means that all the other interesting races will get neglected.

Blugh...  Do we dare suggest that yet another non-megabeast creature get banned?  Maybe there's another way around this...
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: madjoe5 on April 14, 2010, 04:13:41 pm
Add can_learn to all creatures used just for the purpose of this project?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: SIGVARDR on April 14, 2010, 04:41:23 pm
Quote from: Kagus on April 14, 2010, 03:49:16 pm
Exactly.  And that's a problem, because it means that all the other interesting races will get neglected.

Blugh...  Do we dare suggest that yet another non-megabeast creature get banned?  Maybe there's another way around this...
Or people can simply use a race they like instead of trying to make themselves overpowered.Its just a simple forum game,nobody should take  it even remotely seriously.But of course they will take it seriously,and try and be the most overpowered.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on April 14, 2010, 05:59:46 pm
Quote from: SIGVARDR on April 14, 2010, 04:41:23 pm
Quote from: Kagus on April 14, 2010, 03:49:16 pm
Exactly.  And that's a problem, because it means that all the other interesting races will get neglected.

Blugh...  Do we dare suggest that yet another non-megabeast creature get banned?  Maybe there's another way around this...
Or people can simply use a race they like instead of trying to make themselves overpowered.Its just a simple forum game,nobody should take  it even remotely seriously.But of course they will take it seriously,and try and be the most overpowered.

Hey, I'm using an antman with a copper spear and a near-full set of wooden armor.

If it's any consolation.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Kagus on April 14, 2010, 06:15:43 pm
You've also got three shields.

Speaking of which, your character was a pain to test because of all the items I had to put on him.  Yikes.


Oh, also, why the sodding hell do elephants KICK?!  They've got two perfectly lethal ivory death-makers sticking out of their gob, and they insist on instead nudging people around with their stumpy little legs.

Crazy bastards.


Also, I've been considering the prospect of a dark gnome character.  Turns out, there may actually be a reason to take one...  But the problem is that if anyone so much as sneezes on him he shatters.  And since he has to use the same number of points as everyone else, he can't "skill up" to match the competition.

Still though, he managed to solo an unarmored elephant.  That's not bad.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: SIGVARDR on April 14, 2010, 06:19:06 pm
I do find it fun to play the arena looking at the advantages and dis-advantages of each race.With the new armor and weapon system,it feels a bit more like an actual battle.Although it will be nice when we get armor that covers the face,neck,so forth.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on April 14, 2010, 06:23:00 pm
Quote from: Kagus on April 14, 2010, 06:15:43 pm
You've also got three shields.

I also can fly. Drone.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Doomshifter on April 15, 2010, 03:51:43 am
The previous Arena Mode test game applied CAN_LEARN tags to all the relevant creatures. This might be useful.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on April 15, 2010, 07:36:05 am
Quote from: Doomshifter on April 15, 2010, 03:51:43 am
The previous Arena Mode test game applied CAN_LEARN tags to all the relevant creatures. This might be useful.
Time to throw the tag everywhere it seems!
And there was this question about undead creatures before, if I recall correctly - yes, they're allowed, I'm gonna get 0.31.03 just to torment the raw files and the arena. Skeletons only, just for the sake of zombie dump-chars that will die in ~10 seconds *shrug*
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Digital Hellhound on April 15, 2010, 12:51:28 pm
Tigermen have CAN_LEARN, so I'm fine.

Also, nightwings are incredibly powerful. I wouldn't mind them being banned.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flar Moonchill on April 15, 2010, 01:22:33 pm

EDIT:  There are some faulty listings on the character sheet.  Orgrinder's leather fez should be 8 points, not 5.  NuNu's bronze helm is also valued the same as a copper helm.

Ahhh missed that, Umm either drop the Fez all together Or If I've got enough points drop it to Silk/cloth if that would make 5 or less instead :-)
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Zifnab on April 15, 2010, 01:53:41 pm
Couple of questions:

Is skeletal going to cost anything?

Ogres are banned.  A few people think nightwings are way to powerful.  Are there any other creatures besides these and megabeasts that people think are way to powerful?  I'd like to know, just in case I need to submit another character instead of the nightwing.

What are people's thoughts as to a tiered system?   What I mean by this is instead of the outright banning of stronger creatures, they get a reduced number of points.  So tier 1 monsters like ogres might get 40 points, tier 2 like iron men: 80, and tier 3 like polar bears or dwarves: 120.  I think the tier system would work especially well if tournaments like this take off.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Strange guy on April 15, 2010, 02:44:43 pm
I was thinking of doing my own arena and decided if I ever did I would do a tier system based on sizes, due to them being so important in the combat system. In addition there would be additional 'dangerous creature' modifiers you have to pay on top, either 10,20,30 or 40 points, with say an iron man paying 40 extra, a nightwing 30 and a zombie dwarf 30. Doing tiers for all creatures could work better than this, but there are a lot of creatures in df. (I would also overdo the materials costs with weapons and armour costs separate and with everything else in more appropriate places, eg lead is way better than wood, perhaps as good as bronze)
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flagrarus on April 15, 2010, 04:34:43 pm
Name: Flagro
Species: Human
Gender: Male
Weapon: Lead flail [3] ( Would that be right? Free weapon, 3 points for lead?  :-\ )
Skills: Adept Maceman [42]
        Great Dodger [75]

If this is right, I would have no points left...but I might've made a mistake somewhere in there.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: CrossBolt on April 17, 2010, 06:55:23 am
Name: Cannon Fodder
Gender: Male?
Race: Human
Equipment: Adamantium axe, copper mask (35)
Skills: Adept Axeman, Adept dodger (84)

So it should be 119 points spent
I was going to have a kobold instead but I used my better judgement
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Digital Hellhound on April 17, 2010, 01:26:50 pm
Are we waiting for a certain number of combatants so we can start the tournament?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on April 17, 2010, 04:10:20 pm
Quote from: Digital Hellhound on April 17, 2010, 01:26:50 pm
Are we waiting for a certain number of combatants so we can start the tournament?
Yeah, that's the point exactly. I'm drawing a hellton of designs for the new formula now and trying to save Cavebrands all at once, it'll arrive in three days or so, I dunno.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Kagus on April 17, 2010, 04:11:08 pm
Quote from: LordSlowpoke on April 17, 2010, 04:10:20 pm
Quote from: Digital Hellhound on April 17, 2010, 01:26:50 pm
Are we waiting for a certain number of combatants so we can start the tournament?
Yeah, that's the point exactly. I'm drawing a hellton of designs for the new formula now and trying to save Cavebrands all at once, it'll arrive in three days or so, I dunno.

Cage traps, man, cage traps.  We can pull that off, right?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on April 18, 2010, 04:09:04 am
Quote from: Kagus on April 17, 2010, 04:11:08 pm
Quote from: LordSlowpoke on April 17, 2010, 04:10:20 pm
Quote from: Digital Hellhound on April 17, 2010, 01:26:50 pm
Are we waiting for a certain number of combatants so we can start the tournament?
Yeah, that's the point exactly. I'm drawing a hellton of designs for the new formula now and trying to save Cavebrands all at once, it'll arrive in three days or so, I dunno.

Cage traps, man, cage traps.  We can pull that off, right?
When I get to that point, there are too many people dead and I get tantrum spirals. Time to mess with the game's inner workings. Thought it'd never get down to this point.
Also, added people to the roster.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flar Moonchill on April 23, 2010, 07:15:34 am
Quote from: LordSlowpoke on April 18, 2010, 04:09:04 am
When I get to that point, there are too many people dead and I get tantrum spirals. Time to mess with the game's inner workings. Thought it'd never get down to this point.
Also, added people to the roster.
[/quote]

Hey hey, this still a-go-go? :-)
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on April 23, 2010, 07:56:02 am
Yeah, I'm waiting so we get an even amount of characters. 14, to be exact, 16 would be the perfect amount.
So...three more slots open, go on and sign yourself in.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Areku on April 23, 2010, 09:22:47 am
Very well then, I'll give it a go:


Species: Troll
Gender: Male
Ammo None
Weapon: Adamantine Greataxe x2 - 56 points
Head Armour: Racoon leather cap -10 points
Hand Armour: none
Body Armour: none
Foot Armour: none
Leg Armour: Sasquatch leather trousers - 8 points
Shields: none
Skills: Adept axeman - 42 points

total: 116 points
Points left: 4
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on April 23, 2010, 07:32:00 pm
If Spartan, Orgrinder, and NuNu fixed their setups, we'd have 17.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Spartan 117 on April 23, 2010, 08:37:58 pm
Just give me a saltwater Croc with biter as high as possible, and any extra points into dodge.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on April 24, 2010, 01:27:21 pm
what fixing? i spent all but 1 piont.. and he added the [Can Learn] Tag
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on April 24, 2010, 02:37:49 pm
Quote
Name: NuNu
Race: Yeti
Equip: Iron platemail (20) Bronze Helm (18)
Skills: Expert Dodger(49)
Competant Wrestler and Striker (36)
Total: 123 points.
Left: -3.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on April 25, 2010, 05:27:21 am
Quote from: Urist Imiknorris on April 24, 2010, 02:37:49 pm
Quote
Name: NuNu
Race: Yeti
Equip: Iron platemail (20) Copper Helm (15)
Skills: Expert Dodger(49)
Competant Wrestler and Striker (36)
Total: 120 points.

i fixed it should spend all my pionts now
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Stik on April 25, 2010, 10:54:59 am
Gorrilla Max wrestling skill. Its gunna be pwnage >=D
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flar Moonchill on April 26, 2010, 04:38:36 am
Quote from: Urist Imiknorris on April 23, 2010, 07:32:00 pm
If Spartan, Orgrinder, and NuNu fixed their setups, we'd have 17.

I fixed Orgrinder by dropping the leather fez down to a cloth one! Saves three points and makes mine spot on!
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on April 26, 2010, 08:32:28 am
Quote from: Flar Moonchill on April 26, 2010, 04:38:36 am
Quote from: Urist Imiknorris on April 23, 2010, 07:32:00 pm
If Spartan, Orgrinder, and NuNu fixed their setups, we'd have 17.

I fixed Orgrinder by dropping the leather fez down to a cloth one! Saves three points and makes mine spot on!

Leather costs three points. Cloth costs... Three points.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flar Moonchill on April 27, 2010, 02:38:08 am
Quote from: Urist Imiknorris on April 26, 2010, 08:32:28 am
Quote from: Flar Moonchill on April 26, 2010, 04:38:36 am
Quote from: Urist Imiknorris on April 23, 2010, 07:32:00 pm
If Spartan, Orgrinder, and NuNu fixed their setups, we'd have 17.

I fixed Orgrinder by dropping the leather fez down to a cloth one! Saves three points and makes mine spot on!

Leather costs three points. Cloth costs... Three points.

GNAH! Forget the Fez then!
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on May 04, 2010, 09:29:03 am
SLOW BUMP!
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Ultimate Carl on May 04, 2010, 12:36:12 pm
Soooo...  Did we ever get a verdict on skels?  Could I get a Skeletal Human, and what would my point total be?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on May 08, 2010, 11:30:41 am
lets stick to organic things and start this! i wanna see mah yeti fight!
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on May 08, 2010, 11:33:49 am
Somebody necrobumped this, aye?
Okay. I'm giving you one more day for enlisting, skeletals allowed. Just make sure you stick to the point limit.
Fights start tomorrow in the Arena, I'll upload videos to the DFMA and write a blurb of sorts after.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: CrossBolt on May 08, 2010, 03:07:46 pm
yay! will cannon fodder die (yes)? will the semi-megabeasts pwn? and will the skeletons do something about this situation?

urm...
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Dbuhos on May 09, 2010, 01:46:58 am
Oh hey, can I get a place too ?

Name: Shergorath
Species: Werewolf
Gender: Male
Weapon: Iron Warhammer
Body Armour: Breast Plate (15 points)
Shields: Iron Shield (8 points)
Skills: Professional Hammerman (55 points)
          Adept Shield user   (42 points)
         
Left points : 0
         
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on May 09, 2010, 03:58:24 am
Sorry man, you need to specify what the breastplate is made of. I can't accept this one.
Anywho, the tournament is officially starting and signups are over, I'll use a RNG to get the fights...

Round 1
Doomshifter, Batman VS Orgrinder, Polar Bear
Winner: Orgrinder
Link to movie (http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-2158-round1fight1)
That was a pretty much intense fight, with the both charging at each other, but Orgrinder was able to block Doomshifter's attacks using his iron breastplate. When Doomshifter finally latched onto his leg, tearing it apart, Orgrinder just pulled him out, shook him around, and ripped out his lower body.
Gâsh, Fireman VS A_fey_dwarf, Troglodyte
Winner: A_fey_dwarf
Link to movie (http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-2159-round1fight2)
I didn't expect this one coming to be honest, since all shots were blocked from both sides - but then A_fey_dwarf managed to attack his feet, passing the steel high boots - and it went downhill for Gâsh from there. The fight continued for a while after that, but A_fey_dwarf got a lucky shot and stabbed his opponent's head clean off. A_fey_dwarf went without damage, and as such will get a bonus picked by RNG at tne end of the round.

Bjorn, Polar Bear VS Cannon Fodder, Human
Winner: Cannon Fooder
Link to movie (http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-2162-round1fight3)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Flagro, Human VS The Shadow, Nightwing
Winner: The Shadow
Link to movie (http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-2163-round1fight4)
The Shadow took initiative the very frame that the fight started, stabbing him all over while Flagro's flail did next-to-none damage, managing to only break it's bone before he died.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Dbuhos on May 09, 2010, 06:30:22 am
Iron Breast Plate...:D

Also you can make each on different teams when you spawn them, or assume control and provoke the enemy, and then exit the control mode and watch the fight. Oh...water vs fire...mhm...I understand now.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flar Moonchill on May 10, 2010, 04:02:08 am
Quote from: LordSlowpoke on May 09, 2010, 03:58:24 am


Round 1
Doomshifter, Batman VS Orgrinder, Polar Bear
Winner: Orgrinder
Link to movie (http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-2158-round1fight1)
That was a pretty much intense fight, with the both charging at each other, but Orgrinder was able to block Doomshifter's attacks using his iron breastplate. When Doomshifter finally latched onto his leg, tearing it apart, Orgrinder just pulled him out, shook him around, and ripped out his lower body.

Mwoar!
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Oglokoog on May 10, 2010, 04:53:52 am
Very nice so far!
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on May 10, 2010, 08:22:46 am
Thanks. I played two more fights, and I'm thinking of a system of rewards for being lucky/badass enough to not get damaged in the fight. Of course, the prize is chosen via RNG, but ideas for the prizes themselves are welcome.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on May 10, 2010, 08:24:47 am
Extra points?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on May 10, 2010, 08:29:42 am
...That was pretty obvious, thank you, but every winner gets 5 points per round. And something added, if it's a "perfect" fight. I was thinking about some really small supporting creature that'll reappear every round, or a cost-less item upgrade (for example, bronze goes to steel, and the point cost is still like bronze). Might be overpowered when used on adamantine.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on May 10, 2010, 09:02:30 am
I like the small animal companion idea. Take the [ARENA_RESTRICTED] tag off of crundles and use those for the companions.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Digital Hellhound on May 10, 2010, 01:24:49 pm
Maybe players could choose their companion?

Anyway, moar, I want to see my Tigerman in action!
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Zifnab on May 10, 2010, 08:14:37 pm
Wow!  Cannon Fodder for the one hit kill.

And now that the competition is going I'll reveal my backup contestant if The Shadow had been DQ'ed before the competition.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

In tests The Shadow only lives a few moments against this beauty.

Edit:  I believe I have 7 points remaining now.  I shall save them.  In the event that The Shadow wins his next fight, I shall request a silk mask.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flar Moonchill on May 11, 2010, 03:24:32 am
So with the win that should give me 10 points free I think, so should now be able to afford my leather Fez! (I will cry if I've miscounted again!)

With 2 points left over?
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Arni on May 12, 2010, 04:57:01 pm
I knew that my fireman wasn't that good... but stabbed to death?  :'(
That's nearly as humiliating as being bitten to death as a fireman or magmaman!
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flagrarus on May 12, 2010, 05:02:06 pm
Quote from: Arni on May 12, 2010, 04:57:01 pm
I knew that my fireman wasn't that good... but stabbed to death?  :'(
That's nearly as humiliating as being bitten to death as a fireman or magmaman!

Hey, you did better than I did   ???

Do I suck so much or is The Shadow just that awesome?  :o
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Arni on May 12, 2010, 05:14:57 pm
The Shadow is a Nightwing, so no hard feelings. And you wounded your enemy! I didn't (or not mentionworthy)
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Flagrarus on May 12, 2010, 05:24:16 pm
Quote from: Arni on May 12, 2010, 05:14:57 pm
The Shadow is a Nightwing, so no hard feelings. And you wounded your enemy! I didn't (or not mentionworthy)

Still, you put up a better fight. I only got one lucky hit in  :P

But whatever happens, we can all take comfort in the fact that we didn't not Bjorn the Polar Bear  :D Except for Bjorn, of course

But having such a diverse group is better than everyone picking Nightwings, Iron Men or Skeletal Sea Monsters... I just picked a human, though  :-\
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on May 12, 2010, 05:35:11 pm
Quote from: Flagrarus on May 12, 2010, 05:24:16 pm

But having such a diverse group is better than everyone picking Nightwings, Iron Men or Skeletal Sea Monsters... I just picked a human, though  :-\
I went for a more balanced character. Hence the crappy copper weapon.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on May 13, 2010, 07:41:49 am
If you guys don't think of a way of pitting that damn Sea Serpent against anything, I'm kicking it out. Seriously.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Deon on May 13, 2010, 08:19:07 am
What's wrong with grimelings? I wonder.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Kagus on May 13, 2010, 06:11:45 pm
Quote from: LordSlowpoke on May 13, 2010, 07:41:49 am
If you guys don't think of a way of pitting that damn Sea Serpent against anything, I'm kicking it out. Seriously.

I've already illustrated that it's possible to create an area using magma-cast walls and then fill it with a set amount of liquid to create a uniform 4/7 water level over everything.  The sea-critter doesn't move around, but at least it doesn't drown either.

Or you could just make it a skeleton.  There's that.
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on May 13, 2010, 06:13:01 pm
Just trade it's [AQUATIC] tag for [AMPHIBIOUS].
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: CrossBolt on May 15, 2010, 02:56:56 am
haha! one hit kill (which was a suprise)

So about this companion animal...
Title: Re: The Arena Mode test, v2!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on May 19, 2010, 01:17:58 pm
bump