Post by: kaijyuu on June 03, 2012, 09:32:37 pm
Rules: Same rules as the rest of the forum, mostly. But some specific stuff:
- What counts as western animation? Basically anything that isn't anime. If it was made in the Americas or Europe, it likely goes here. This includes animesque stuff like Avatar.
- Western print media with an emphasis on drawn visuals (ie, comic books, newspaper comics, etc) are now allowed and encouraged as well.
- Respect. Respect other people's opinions, no matter how popular or unpopular said opinions may be. Please refrain from unfairly lambasting shows you don't like, or thinking shows you do like are sacred cows that can't be criticized. Debating and analyzing things is fine, just nothing drama-inducing.
- Currently not allowing MLP discussion. If you don't know why, don't ask. (Zero tolerance on bringing up old drama. Period) Feel free, however, to join the off site forum (http://mylittleponyforum.infodiscussion.com/) and talk about it with us there! But since MLP is probably one of the most influential cartoons in the last decade or so, it's impossible to ignore. As such...
Spoiler: Specifics about what is and isn't allowed (click to show/hide)
- If you're still reading this, you're awesome. Also, YOUR HEART'S ON FIRE AND THE FIRE IS IN YOUR HEART! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ55kl6Nz4o)
Now, some of you might be thinking, isn't western animation for kids? Shouldn't you have moved on to more "mature" media, you silly manchildren? All I can say to that is, that's not funny. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHzRtkA5D0M)
Others might be asking, haven't cartoons gone down the drain in recent years? Sure they were great when *I* was a kid, but not now! To that I respond, you people need some recommendations! Ever heard of Avatar, the Last Airbender? Adventure Time? My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic? Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated? (http://youtu.be/mzHuMXBf7yc) Hell, even Looney Tunes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oe7Q8OCm5I) is occasionally awesome. Lots of great stuff has come out in recent years, just ask.
So yeah, post about cartoons or cartoon related news here.
Anywho, enough introductions. Currently I'm finishing up the DCAU and watching Superman the Animated Series. I've already seen Batman/Batman Beyond/Justice League, and this is the last one I'm interested in watching in that continuity (not planning to see Static Shock or the Zeta Project). So far it's pretty much how I expected... Boring. Superman being Superman, there's not much dramatic tension since you know he's going to win (even more so than normal). So they tried to make up for it by making Superman flashy. Note that the fight scenes tend to be the most boring for me in superhero cartoons, so those scenes being so focused means I'm yawning a lot. That's not to say the show's bad; some episodes are great! It just seems inversely proportional to how much screen time Superman gets. The more he gets, the worse the episode. The best episodes are about the villains having troubles and conflict, while Superman just flies in and resolves the conflict at the very end.
Also it's kinda weird; I guess I watched this show as a kid more than I thought. I recognize quite a few of the episodes, however vaguely. I figured I was more into Batman back then, but I guess not.
Post by: Jervill on June 03, 2012, 09:37:15 pm
And Static Shock, from what I remember, was okay; not great.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 03, 2012, 09:40:36 pm
Actually, no... But I'm kinda sick from watching too much anime and finding out that it has at least 5% sexual fanservice.
Aside from Avatar and Adventure Time, what cartoons are worth watching to kill time?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 03, 2012, 09:49:24 pm
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This thread is now about Ninja Turtles.You know, I actually don't like the 80s cartoon. With the original comic books, I hated whenever they went into space and fought weird monsters, but loved the down-to-earth ones. Guess which storylines they focused on in the cartoon.
The live action 1990 film is the best adaptation I've seen. I do need to try out the early 00s cartoon though; I hear it's pretty good.
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Aside from Avatar and Adventure Time, what cartoons are worth watching to kill time?Well, besides the ones I posted in the OP, maybe Dan Vs (http://www.watchcartoononline.com/dan-vs-episode-1-new-mexico)? (can't find it on youtube since they seem to be nuking clips of that show)
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 03, 2012, 09:51:45 pm
And I just remembered about Invader Zim, so I might also watch that later too.
Post by: Svarte Troner on June 03, 2012, 09:57:50 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on June 03, 2012, 10:00:30 pm
Post by: darkrider2 on June 03, 2012, 10:07:23 pm
Anyway yeah I do prefer western animations (cartoons), but there are some worthwhile japanese animations hanging around. Not that I want to discuss them here.
Anyway, edd, ed, and eddy. Common, probably my favorite cartoon when I was little. That and samurai jack, what a badass. Actually, I'm pretty sure him and Dr. McNinja must be related somehow.
Post by: G-Flex on June 03, 2012, 10:13:58 pm
Post by: Aqizzar on June 03, 2012, 10:16:00 pm
Anyway, edd, ed, and eddy. Common, probably my favorite cartoon when I was little.
This was actually a really interesting show when you got down to it, especially for it's intended audience, when you realize that the protagonists were also kinda sorta the villains. I say kinda sorta, because the other side to it was that every characters was thoroughly dislikable in their own special way, so it's hard to say they were much of villains.
And they had better adventures than me and my dumb friends.
Has anyone here seen Aeon Flux? The original animated show, not the abysmal live-action movie some guys made for some reason. One of the most interesting and bizarre animated works I've ever seen, and the DVD box set was very much worth it.
I actually did see the show a handful of times, back when it was actually on-air. I remember virtually nothing about it. Hey, you remember those other MTV shows? Like that one with the guy with the giant head and something about aliens? I don't know what that was.
Post by: G-Flex on June 03, 2012, 10:19:14 pm
I actually did see the show a handful of times, back when it was actually on-air. I remember virtually nothing about it. Hey, you remember those other MTV shows? Like that one with the guy with the giant head and something about aliens? I don't know what that was.
The first time I saw Aeon Flux, it was something like 4:30AM and I had absolutely no idea what was going on. It was definitely a trip.
And yeah, I remember "The Head", from "MTV's Oddities". I think that's what they were called, anyway. The guy had a little purple alien dude living in his skull.
It's amazing to think that there was once a time when MTV was actually responsible for pushing the creative envelope rather than holding it back or shoving it through the shredder.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 03, 2012, 10:28:33 pm
The humorous but sinister, Riddler!
Post by: darkrider2 on June 03, 2012, 10:43:37 pm
See you in 8 hours. :D
Post by: Aqizzar on June 03, 2012, 10:47:46 pm
Challenge of the Super Friends, best cartoon bar none.
SOLOMON GRUNDY WANT PANTS TOO
In slightly more serious stories, I'm honestly amazed how well Rocko's Modern Life prepared me for being 20-ish. I shouldn't feel profound watching that show.
Post by: The Fool on June 04, 2012, 12:07:39 am
Personally I enjoy comic series like Human Target, Gotham Central, Sleeper, Soloman Kane, etc. The problem is that there isn't animation for any of them to my knowledge. It seems like comic cartoons have vanished with the exception of cartoon movies.
Has there been any good animation within the last 5 years? I wouldn't mind seeing something new.
Post by: kaenneth on June 04, 2012, 12:13:28 am
And Superman was sitting at the conference table with them right there.
I loathe Hanna Barbera soooo much.
Post by: Flying Dice on June 04, 2012, 12:14:24 am
I can't get over that one instance on Superfriends where they were all "Superman is Missing! what will we do! we have to find Superman!"
And Superman was sitting at the conference table with them right there.
I loathe Hanna Barbera soooo much.
What, you're saying their comedy sucks? :P
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 12:16:11 am
It is honestly a epically stupid and hillarious show that sometimes actually enters the domain of genuinly good.
Post by: Flying Dice on June 04, 2012, 12:19:34 am
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 12:25:51 am
I will forever adore Captain Planet, if only because it gave me an excuse to play him in a skit.
I even have EXACTLY how his powers work entirely thought through.
You would think that the ability of "Power over five elements" and weakness of "polution" would be easy to understand... but no it is more complex then even that.
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 04, 2012, 12:33:38 am
There is a LOT of good stop motion stuff. Pretty much anything made by Aardman Animations (the Wallace and Grommit guys) is quality, robot chicken too.
CG has a couple nice things, Starship Troopers for example was really fun.
IF we're going to talk about kids shows, I love the art style for Martha speaks. Mostly been exposed to it via various kids I've had to watch, but it's not bad. I love it when you can take any frame from a show and it would fit perfectly into a storybook without anyone ever realize it was from an animated series.
Could never get into any of the superhero stuff. Except Space Ghost (and all the various subshows and spinoffs thereof).
As far as classic western animation style (which I like to call 'cheapo crap style') - Sealab, all the way. :P
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 12:40:40 am
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 04, 2012, 12:44:04 am
I suppose it didn't help that I felt like it was assaulting every ounce of my aesthetic sense every time I looked at it.
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 12:44:38 am
Seriously? I thought Reboot was... tolerable, but that's about it.
I suppose it didn't help that I felt like it was assaulting every ounce of my aesthetic sense every time I looked at it.
Yeah that would kill it for you alright.
I cannot imagine it being bearable if you didn't like the aestetics.
Post by: kaenneth on June 04, 2012, 12:47:00 am
I will forever adore Captain Planet, if only because it gave me an excuse to play him in a skit.
I even have EXACTLY how his powers work entirely thought through.
You would think that the ability of "Power over five elements" and weakness of "polution" would be easy to understand... but no it is more complex then even that.
Midichlorians?
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 04, 2012, 12:48:07 am
And other than that, I dunno, it just felt sort of... cliche. I caught maybe a dozen episodes before deciding it wasn't worth watching no matter how bored I was.
Note to self: talk about Ferngully, Serendipity: The Pink Dinosaur, and The Little Blue Penguin for real blasts to the past later. Wait... are we doing animated moves too, or is this just for TV shows?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 04, 2012, 01:05:54 am
And I loved Ferngully. The bad guy made of smoke is pretty damn awesome. Haven't seen that movie in ages.
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Has there been any good animation within the last 5 years? I wouldn't mind seeing something new.Superhero specifically? I'm not sure. The latest Batman cartoon (Brave and the Bold) I haven't seen, but supposedly it's an outright comedy. A new Batman series is coming out next year that's going to be more "serious." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beware_the_Batman)
As for other superheroes, honestly I have no idea. I do know that DC has been making a lot of animated movies, and of the couple I've seen of those they're pretty decent. The plot kinda sucked in this one but it had awesome choreography. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXazQNU2GlA)
Post by: Remalle on June 04, 2012, 01:22:13 am
Hmm... Avatar TLA, Batman TAS, best ever. I haven't really watched that much animated stuff, eastern or western, mostly just stick with checking out shows TVTropes says are good :P
I remember and Samurai Jack and Justice League were great. Static Shock and Codename KND were fun too, but I never really watched enough to remember whether they were actually good.
I'm staying away from FIM, for now, I don't want to get sucked into it.
I'm sure there's other stuff I've forgotten, too. My, I used quite a few abbreviations up there, didn't I?
Oh yeah, and Pixar. I love Pixar, can't go without mentioning them. Their stuff is incredible.
Edit: how could we all forget the Simpsons?
Post by: The Fool on June 04, 2012, 01:24:37 am
A new Batman series is coming out next year that's going to be more "serious." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beware_the_Batman)
I hope that they are really planning on Batman looking like that. It looks pretty bad. Even if the story is good I'm not sure if I could stomach the character design. Wide heads is a very odd design choice.
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 01:28:45 am
I will forever adore Captain Planet, if only because it gave me an excuse to play him in a skit.
I even have EXACTLY how his powers work entirely thought through.
You would think that the ability of "Power over five elements" and weakness of "polution" would be easy to understand... but no it is more complex then even that.
Midichlorians?
Well think of it this way. Why doesn't he lose his powers when he flies over a volcano?
Why does he lose power when he is hit with ultraviolet radiation... yet he is powered by the sun?
Heck why does radiation effect him at all since the earth itself is composed of radiation?
The answer: He isn't affected by polution he is affected by Man MADE polution and elements removed from nature. So he could handle oil just fine if he walked up to a natural deposit. But if you put that oil in a bucket and flung it at him...
Post by: Euld on June 04, 2012, 01:30:49 am
Post by: kaijyuu on June 04, 2012, 01:31:27 am
Well all the stuff I mentioned in the OP (MLP:FiM, Avatar, Adventure Time, Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated) came out in the last 5 years and I thought them all somewhere between good and awesome. (except Adventure Time, which I've only seen 2 episodes of so I can't give a truthful opinion of it yet, beyond good first impressions).
And yeah the designs look weird. I'll need to see a bigger picture than that before passing judgment, though.
The Batman's (http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/o_TheBatman_Pic.jpg) designs kinda weirded me out too; the big eyes almost look like bug eyes, and is it just me or are they always a tad too high up on the face? Some perspectives make it look like their eyes are plastered on their forehead; might just be Batman's cowl, I dunno.
Post by: MrWiggles on June 04, 2012, 01:33:46 am
I think superhero cartoons are about the only animation I watch now that isn't anime. Batman in particular. I wouldn't mind seeing Justice League either just because Batman's there.There has been ton of great stuff. Off the top of my head: Young Justice. Legend of Korra. Archer.
Personally I enjoy comic series like Human Target, Gotham Central, Sleeper, Soloman Kane, etc. The problem is that there isn't animation for any of them to my knowledge. It seems like comic cartoons have vanished with the exception of cartoon movies.
Has there been any good animation within the last 5 years? I wouldn't mind seeing something new.
There been a lot of praise for Adventure Time. Chowder is great whimsical fun.
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On the new batman series:
I dont think Batman would work with anyone long term that uses firearms.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 04, 2012, 01:38:36 am
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 01:39:49 am
No one has mentioned Daria yet? :( If you were ever a sarcastic teenager who felt alienated from the rest of the human race, this show was for you.
Yeah but that is all but impossible to find episodes for.
Also call me crazy... but I actually... don't like adventure time. I don't know why but other then a few episodes I just can't make myself like it.
Then again I really liked Chowder and I didn't like Flapjack.
Post by: kaenneth on June 04, 2012, 01:44:47 am
No one has mentioned Daria yet? :( If you were ever a sarcastic teenager who felt alienated from the rest of the human race, this show was for you.
TomTom sells a Daria voice for their GPS units.
I have never regretted not owning a proper GPS unit more.
Post by: MrWiggles on June 04, 2012, 01:51:46 am
I noticed that too. Alfred with a gun doesn't sound too unreasonable... except when around Batman. I'm not too versed on the original comic book Alfred, but isn't he a secret agent dude? Makes sense that he'd know how to use a gun, I just don't think Bruce would ever let him.Alfred exact backrground varies. But he always been in a service of some sorta. Hes generally a veteran, with very good first aid skills.
Post by: Pnx on June 04, 2012, 02:21:35 am
Also call me crazy... but I actually... don't like adventure time. I don't know why but other then a few episodes I just can't make myself like it.To be perfectly honest, I don't actually like a lot of adventure time a lot of the stuff in the episodes kinda wears on me (especially the earlier episodes where it tends to be more complete randomness rather than the more structured randomness of later episodes) but I've always felt the times when it's brilliant make up for it. But you don't have to like adventure time, I'm not going to think worse of you for not liking something I like (and I doubt anyone else will).
No one has mentioned Daria yet? :( If you were ever a sarcastic teenager who felt alienated from the rest of the human race, this show was for you.
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Yeah, I was one of those teenagers who felt alienated (although I didn't actually discover Daria until I was technically no longer a teenager), and it really reminded me of the kind of attitudes you saw in the clique I circulated in later in high school. Also Daria sounds a hell of a lot like an old friend of mine.
It's honestly amazing that the creators of Beavis and Butthead cam up with it, I mean, I really hate Beavis and Butthead, but Daria is just so brilliant and so different...
Anyway, err, nobody seems to have mentioned Invader Zim yet. It's a really brilliant show with a quirky art style I've always enjoyed.
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 04, 2012, 09:35:57 am
(links to trailers on youtube)
The Secret of Kells (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMPhHTtKZ8Q) - myths and history of the British isles are blended to tell a coming of age tale, with visual and aural grandeur. The unique animation style mimics the simple, yet intricate illuminations of the titular artifact. It's one of my favourite films, animated or not.
The Triplets of Belleville (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_LRQ6d9wdc&feature=related) - a really trippy and technically impressive film, with the big drawback of being rather boring. Some really memorable scenes are worth sitting through its overly long run.
Metropia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLPD_9uFmVI) - An Orwellian world and story, reminescent of Terry Gilliam's Brazil. The visual style is very unsettling, with actors' faces kind of "grafted" onto CGI animated puppets. The story doesn't have much of an impact, though. Or maybe it's just me being too jaded.
Persepolis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ22VyjJ6n8) - Another coming of age story, this time with an Iranian girl at its centre. Mostly kept in black and white, this comic book adaptation is at times observant, darkly humorous and poignant.
Immortal: Ad vitam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl9pSJYXBsk) - (note: the trailer doesn't do it justice) An adaptation of one of Enki Bilal's comic books (which you should check by the way) merging live-acting with CGI animation. Looks jarringly odd at times, but if you can get over this, the film gets quite interesting.
The story concerns... nah, it's too weird and complicated to describe.
Waltz with Bashir (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J9uoLMhMhs) - A sort of documentary, concerning the Lebanon War of 1982. It's got a dreamy feel to it, almost nightmarish but not quite, despite being a very realistic depiction of war. Worth seeing.
Post by: The Fool on June 04, 2012, 10:16:13 am
I can't say that animated series of western progeniture are my slice of bread, although I do watch animated feature films from time to time. Here's a few interesting ones I know:
(links to trailers on youtube)
The Secret of Kells (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMPhHTtKZ8Q) - myths and history of the British isles are blended to tell a coming of age tale, with visual and aural grandeur. The unique animation style mimics the simple, yet intricate illuminations of the titular artifact. It's one of my favourite films, animated or not.
The Triplets of Belleville (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_LRQ6d9wdc&feature=related) - a really trippy and technically impressive film, with the big drawback of being rather boring. Some really memorable scenes are worth sitting through its overly long run.
Metropia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLPD_9uFmVI) - An Orwellian world and story, reminescent of Terry Gilliam's Brazil. The visual style is very unsettling, with actors' faces kind of "grafted" onto CGI animated puppets. The story doesn't have much of an impact, though. Or maybe it's just me being too jaded.
Persepolis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ22VyjJ6n8) - Another coming of age story, this time with an Iranian girl at its centre. Mostly kept in black and white, this comic book adaptation is at times observant, darkly humorous and poignant.
Immortal: Ad vitam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl9pSJYXBsk) - (note: the trailer doesn't do it justice) An adaptation of one of Enki Bilal's comic books (which you should check by the way) merging live-acting with CGI animation. Looks jarringly odd at times, but if you can get over this, the film gets quite interesting.
The story concerns... nah, it's too weird and complicated to describe.
Waltz with Bashir (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J9uoLMhMhs) - A sort of documentary, concerning the Lebanon War of 1982. It's got a dreamy feel to it, almost nightmarish but not quite, despite being a very realistic depiction of war. Worth seeing.
The two that I've already seen from there were fantastic, so I'll be sure to watch the rest of them.
Daria was a good show, but I grew up on it, so I've seen most if not all the episodes. If I ever buy a GPS I'll be sure to get one with her voice.
Post by: Supercharazad on June 04, 2012, 10:25:51 am
Yeah, the creators confirmed that it took place on a post-apocalyptic Earth after a nuclear war. The title sequence shows remains of nuclear weapons, which are also shown pretty much everywhere. The only human is Finn, all human-looking-people are "humanoids".
It was also confirmed that the Ice King was a Middle-Eastern man, and the crown kept him alive. Marceline was mutated into a vampire. Everyone else is just mutants.
Ooo is the remains of a continent that has broken apart, and you can actually see in a few episodes a giant gaping crater where Russia would have been. One that takes up about a quarter of the planet's surface.
Also, wasn't Xiaolin Showdown a western animation? Because it was pretty good, if I recall.
Post by: Levi on June 04, 2012, 10:28:19 am
Of others I've liked are mostly superhero related:
- Batman (not the newest ones, but the long running one from 1992)
- Young Justice
- Justice League
- TMNT 2005
- Static Shock
Post by: ggamer on June 04, 2012, 11:26:36 am
This thread is now about Ninja Turtles.
Actually, no... But I'm kinda sick from watching too much anime and finding out that it has at least 5% sexual fanservice.
Aside from Avatar and Adventure Time, what cartoons are worth watching to kill time?
The regular show is good, I haven't watched in a while though.
Man, these cartoons nowadays are pretty fucked up. Regular show and Adventure time get a TON of sexual jokes past the radar. It's like when I used to watch invader zim as a kid, but better.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 04, 2012, 11:39:42 am
I just wanted to say that I've been watching Avatar: The Last Airbender recently, and its really very good. [...] If there is any show right now that really demonstrates Western Animation at its best, its got to be this show.Considering it's pretty much an anime in every way except the nationality/location of the people who made it, I'm not sure how much of a complement that is :P
Though to be fair it's got a lot of western charm in it too. The animation isn't as stiff as most anime, plenty of western culture references snuck past the asian theme, it doesn't have the mountain of filler that most shonen animes do. A good chunk of the humor is distinctly Western too. Hell, my favorite episode's probably "Zuko Alone," which is essentially a Western (as in, cowboys. Specifically the novel 'Shane.") with swords and magic! But if you had to pick the cartoon for "most anime influenced," it'd definitely be Avatar.
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 04, 2012, 11:42:20 am
I suppose the Italian type is still "western", but the was the episode more "Korean Western" or "Italian Western"?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 04, 2012, 11:46:55 am
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 04, 2012, 11:48:21 am
Post by: Levi on June 04, 2012, 11:49:09 am
I just wanted to say that I've been watching Avatar: The Last Airbender recently, and its really very good. [...] If there is any show right now that really demonstrates Western Animation at its best, its got to be this show.Considering it's pretty much an anime in every way except the nationality/location of the people who made it, I'm not sure how much of a complement that is :P
Though to be fair it's got a lot of western charm in it too. The animation isn't as stiff as most anime, plenty of western culture references snuck past the asian theme, it doesn't have the mountain of filler that most shonen animes do. A good chunk of the humor is distinctly Western too. Hell, my favorite episode's probably "Zuko Alone," which is essentially a Western (as in, cowboys. Specifically the novel 'Shane.") with swords and magic! But if you had to pick the cartoon for "most anime influenced," it'd definitely be Avatar.
It doesn't feel like an anime to me. :) The characters have actual facial expressions, and the show doesn't feel as "tropey", if tropey is a word. :P In anime, it always feels like they reuse character personalities and scenes. I swear I've seen the same "Awkward guy trips and falls on girl and accidentally grabs boobs" scene in like 20 different animes. In this, they all felt pretty unique and sort of felt like real people in a way.
Although it DOES have a continuous storyline, which most western animation seems to fail hard at. I guess in that way it feels a little anime like.
Post by: kaenneth on June 04, 2012, 11:50:21 am
I recently learned something. You know Adventure Time?
Yeah, the creators confirmed that it took place on a post-apocalyptic Earth after a nuclear war. The title sequence shows remains of nuclear weapons, which are also shown pretty much everywhere. The only human is Finn, all human-looking-people are "humanoids".
It was also confirmed that the Ice King was a Middle-Eastern man, and the crown kept him alive. Marceline was mutated into a vampire. Everyone else is just mutants.
Ooo is the remains of a continent that has broken apart, and you can actually see in a few episodes a giant gaping crater where Russia would have been. One that takes up about a quarter of the planet's surface.
Also, wasn't Xiaolin Showdown a western animation? Because it was pretty good, if I recall.
Referred to earlir on as "The Mushroom War". Also, Rainicorns speak/write Korean.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 04, 2012, 11:58:46 am
Okay, here goes.
The episode I was referring to had essentially the same plot as the novel Shane, which is a western (cowboys). There was a film made that I haven't seen, but I dunno if it's a proper spaghetti western or if it was filmed in the USA; I do know the plot isn't a basic cowboys and indians one, but was pretty much the defining work for "loner guy walks in, befriends local people, saves them from oppressive bad guy, rides off into the sunset." If you think that a cliche plot, that book is why, since it was mercilessly copied.
Back to Avatar, they did copy the plot, but did it really damn well. Made me wonder why the universe hates Zuko so much, which isn't explained until the end of that season, specifically
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Post by: Il Palazzo on June 04, 2012, 02:23:08 pm
But aren't most Westerns Korean or Italian?And German/Yugoslavian. Don't forget Winnetou.
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 04, 2012, 02:33:58 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 04, 2012, 02:57:05 pm
Which two, if I may ask?the list
The two that I've already seen from there were fantastic, so I'll be sure to watch the rest of them.
Also, I'm so hyped for this one:
http://www.monsterofnix.com/
despite it being merely half an hour long. But I can't find it anywhere.
Post by: MrWiggles on June 04, 2012, 03:47:56 pm
Although it DOES have a continuous storyline, which most western animation seems to fail hard at. I guess in that way it feels a little anime like.I think it really unfair to say that Western Animation fails hard at not being a serial show. THey just happen to be episodic.
There have been many western cartoons which have had continious plots.
Most recently: Avatar: Legend of Korra, and Young Justice.
Post by: nenjin on June 04, 2012, 03:50:16 pm
Also since movies are on the docket, Light Years (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3FsASNavdU). This movie really messed with my head as a kid. It defines for me the look of 80s western animation (even though it's French), and how, I dunno, realistic they felt in comparison to much of what's come after. In terms of that weird place you get watching animation intended for adults, anime doesn't even come close to the sensation I get watching 80s cartoons like Light Years.
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 03:51:41 pm
Although it DOES have a continuous storyline, which most western animation seems to fail hard at. I guess in that way it feels a little anime like.I think it really unfair to say that Western Animation fails hard at not being a serial show. THey just happen to be episodic.
There have been many western cartoons which have had continious plots.
Most recently: Avatar: Legend of Korra, and Young Justice.
Well it isn't so much that Western animation fails at continuous storylines.
It is that Anime is almost always a continuous storyline to the point where episodic animes are the exception rather then the rule.
While western animation is almost always episodic, sorta, to the point where continuous storybased western shows are the exception rather then the rule.
But you can find plenty of exceptions in both.
Post by: Supercharazad on June 04, 2012, 05:36:10 pm
It's episode six, and the three main characters (Mako, Korra and Bolin) all have mutual love interests.
The big bad has been revealed, Korra has mastered three elements and is pretty much done with air, etc.
Really, the only two things that are keeping me watching is because Korra is quite the badass, and I really want to see if Amon is related to any characters from Legend of Aang, and if not then his full backstory.
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 05:37:47 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on June 04, 2012, 05:43:41 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on June 04, 2012, 05:57:52 pm
Has anyone noticed how in Legend of Korra, the story seems rushed as fuck?Korra isnt done with Air Bending. As stated in episode 8, she hasnt manage to bend any air at all. Nor has she been able to contact her past lives, or enter the Avatar State.
It's episode six, and the three main characters (Mako, Korra and Bolin) all have mutual love interests.
The big bad has been revealed, Korra has mastered three elements and is pretty much done with air, etc.
Really, the only two things that are keeping me watching is because Korra is quite the badass, and I really want to see if Amon is related to any characters from Legend of Aang, and if not then his full backstory.
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But yea, I've been noting that its a very fast paced show, but still very good. In the Anime thread, it was noted that maybe those elements were skipped to stop it from being repetitive from Avatar: TLA.
It is because I think they originally planned the Legend of Korra to be a longer show but it is now only 12 episodes long (but got longer)This has been said a lot, but I cant find any sources to confirm this.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 04, 2012, 06:02:14 pm
There is a LOT of good stop motion stuff. Pretty much anything made by Aardman Animations (the Wallace and Grommit guys) is quality, robot chicken too.I'm the wrong age and nationality for most of these things but I'll say that I always loved Aardman's stuff. Then there's Pixar, Simpsons, Tom & Jerry and Scooby Doo (still my favourite message from a cartoon ever) that I remember fondly. Everything else... eh.
Post by: Telgin on June 04, 2012, 06:22:27 pm
Less recently, I used to really like Spongebob and The Fairly Oddparents, but both of them have become laughable parodies of their original selves. It's depressing to think that I've lived through their decline to the point that I can actually reminisce on how they didn't really suck once. :(
Older cartoons I used to love are numerous, such as Rocko's Modern Life (I'd kill to get some more of this), ReBoot (ditto), Ed, Edd 'n Eddy, Johnny Bravo, Dexter's Laboratory (not the last season though), and probably a few others I'm forgetting. I loved this stuff. Older yet are things like Ducktales, Goof Troop, Chip and Dale, Tailspin and Darkwing Duck I don't recall many of the episode details of, but I remember spending countless hours watching them as a kid so they must have been great, right?
One particular old cartoon that has a special place in my heart is the old Sonic the Hedgehog. I still think it's a bit of a tragedy that it only had two seasons. So, so much better than stupid stuff like Sonic X.
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 06:23:24 pm
But I can't stand to rewatch it. It is soo insanely somber. In fact it is the most Somber cartoon I ever seen.
Post by: Itnetlolor on June 04, 2012, 06:23:52 pm
Post by: NobodyPro on June 04, 2012, 06:44:40 pm
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Rocko's Modern LifeDear Armok...
I remember now!
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Older yet are things like Ducktales, Goof Troop, Chip and Dale, Tailspin and Darkwing Duck I don't recall many of the episode details of, but I remember spending countless hours watching them as a kid so they must have been great, right?Your memory serves you well. All those were great (well except Rescue Rangers; that was just okay, most the time). Ducktales, Darkwing, and Tailspin all hold up pretty well today, and Goof Troop's a nice look into the late 80s/early 90s teenage culture (in fact the first movie is one of my favorite animated films).
I get flak from everyone for this, but I really liked Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. You know, the one with the infamous molestation "sonic sez." Sure it didn't have anything resembling a coherent plot, but Scratch and Grounder were awesome. Also whoever made the backgrounds deserves a medal for their surreal architecture. It was a nice light kids show, if without much depth.
Post by: Euld on June 04, 2012, 06:49:36 pm
They actually started selling the entire collection of Daria on DVD, it's out there somewhere. It can be found on youtube... but I'm not sure if the forum rules allow me to post where to find them.No one has mentioned Daria yet? :( If you were ever a sarcastic teenager who felt alienated from the rest of the human race, this show was for you.
Yeah but that is all but impossible to find episodes for.
Post by: Aqizzar on June 04, 2012, 06:54:08 pm
One particular old cartoon that has a special place in my heart is the old Sonic the Hedgehog. I still think it's a bit of a tragedy that it only had two seasons. So, so much better than stupid stuff like Sonic X.
The other tragedy is that you can't really be a fan of that show without having to encounter it's other fans. I mean, I get it, it was a good little show (about 2/3s of the time). But it's been almost twenty years now, and it still has creepy fans.
You don't want to know the shit I've seen.
Post by: NobodyPro on June 04, 2012, 06:57:00 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on June 04, 2012, 06:57:37 pm
Garfield and Friends. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLADnlItLjI)
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 07:00:27 pm
I started to watch this because I enjoyed Impossible Creatures. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spliced_(TV_series)) Actually pretty good.
I am ashamed... but I actually really do like Spliced.
I can't put my finger on why.
Post by: Itnetlolor on June 04, 2012, 07:03:04 pm
Oh, here's one that deserves mention:How would this be Minus Garfield?
Garfield and Friends. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLADnlItLjI)
Has anyone ever gone through the trouble of editing that many frames?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 04, 2012, 07:08:53 pm
The cartoon adapted the... mythology, for lack of a better word... very well. The jokes that were transcribed tended to work better, and the early storylines (like visiting Jon's family for christmas) are actually heartwarming. All this further proves no matter what you do to Garfield, it's better than the original.
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 07:29:59 pm
The thing is, the cartoon is actually competent. Garfield Minus Garfield works because no matter what you do to the strip, it makes it better.
The cartoon adapted the... mythology, for lack of a better word... very well. The jokes that were transcribed tended to work better, and the early storylines (like visiting Jon's family for christmas) are actually heartwarming. All this further proves no matter what you do to Garfield, it's better than the original.
Watch the 3d Garfield... and watch the unfunny.
Post by: Psyco Jelly on June 04, 2012, 09:46:27 pm
There are two kinds of people that read that, the kind that go "huh?" and the kind that are awesome.
Post by: Frumple on June 04, 2012, 09:51:57 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on June 04, 2012, 09:59:27 pm
Swat Katshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_AdxJWFUh4
There are two kinds of people that read that, the kind that go "huh?" and the kind that are awesome.
Post by: Aqizzar on June 04, 2012, 10:02:34 pm
There are two kinds of people that read that, the kind that go "huh?" and the kind that are awesome.
I'm very glad to be in the later category. It had its issues, sure, but it was damn cool to look at.
Now, Road Rovers? You'd be forgiven.
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 10:03:52 pm
Post by: Aqizzar on June 04, 2012, 10:05:46 pm
If this is going to get into childhood shows does that mean we are going to end up in Biker Mice from Mars and Street sharks?
Yes, yes it does. And you brought us there. So hey, who else has the faintest memory of Danger Mouse?
Post by: Frumple on June 04, 2012, 10:06:17 pm
Anyway, Exosquad? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exosquad) Exosquad. I seriously need to actually go and watch through that at some point. Saw a good chunk when I was younger, but remember basically none of it. Still have a toy suit laying around somewhere in mostly one piece.
If this is going to get into childhood shows does that mean we are going to end up in Biker Mice from Mars and Street sharks?Apparently!
Post by: Luke_Prowler on June 04, 2012, 10:15:24 pm
I know I might catch some flak for this, but I thought the Godzilla animated series (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZKW8FylTIA) was pretty good, it was certainly the only redeemable thing that came out of the movie
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 10:26:41 pm
Street Sharks I will fight that it was sorta good. It didn't outright ignore the fact that the heros were transformed into monsters (even if in the end only the Orca seemed to care)
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 04, 2012, 10:29:58 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 10:45:48 pm
Swat Katz for the win. I still have surprisingly vivid memories of that show.
Truthfully it wasn't around when I was growing up.
Post by: nenjin on June 04, 2012, 11:53:09 pm
If this is going to get into childhood shows does that mean we are going to end up in Biker Mice from Mars and Street sharks?
Yes, yes it does. And you brought us there. So hey, who else has the faintest memory of Danger Mouse?
Fuckin' Danger Mouse. Man I used to spend so much time watching Nickelodeon just for shows like it. And then Nick at Nite would come on and you'd know your fun was over.
Post by: Neonivek on June 04, 2012, 11:55:03 pm
If this is going to get into childhood shows does that mean we are going to end up in Biker Mice from Mars and Street sharks?
Yes, yes it does. And you brought us there. So hey, who else has the faintest memory of Danger Mouse?
Fuckin' Danger Mouse. Man I used to spend so much time watching Nickelodeon just for shows like it. And then Nick at Nite would come on and you'd know your fun was over.
Didn't get that either.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 05, 2012, 08:03:10 am
It's gotten a lot better. It's still no Batman, but the villains are getting a bit more depth, more heroes than Superman are showing up (so someone less boring gets screen time), and a lot more comedy. I'm also appreciating some of Justice League more now that I know some backstory.
Spoiler: ranting about superheroes (click to show/hide)
Post by: RedKing on June 05, 2012, 09:12:22 am
I grew up watching the classics: Tex Avery, Chuck Jones, Bob Clampett. We had a local independent TV station that would run like 3 hours of Tom and Jerry, Droopy, Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies every afternoon. It was glorious. I'm extending that on to my kids with the umpteen gigs of cartoons on the HD. My daugher is already a Tex Avery fan.
While perusing Netflix, she also got into a Fat Albert binge, which is just bizarre. I mean, I saw it when it was still relatively new, and even then I could sort of tell that I wasn't the intended audience.
Other cartoons I remember from early childhood:
Journey to the Center of the Earth (Filmation) -- I distinctly remember being pissed because this got interrupted by the news because some guy named Reagan had been shot. :P
Heckle & Jeckle -- Funny as a kid, kind of wince-inducing as an adult.
The Rocky & Bullwinkle Show -- I was never a huge fan of the main show, but the assorted cartoons that came with it were awesomesauce: Peabody's Improbable History, Fractured Fairy Tales, Aesop & Son and The World of Commander McBragg. Dudley Do-Right was meh. But I think the whole "playing with history" thing about Peabody & Sherman and Commander McBragg...that really appealed to me. And the bad puns. Oh dear god, the bad puns....
Tennessee Tuxedo and His Tales -- actually a subsidiary toon of the Underdog show, but I preferred this to Underdog. In many ways a precursor to Pinky and the Brain: a bright, scheming (but often nonsensical) talking animal comes up with convoluted plans (which invariably fail) with the assistance of his dim-witted sidekick.
Then during the 80's, there was Saturday mornings (and afternoon TV). Too many to list, so I'll just rattle off some favorites:
Dungeons & Dragons
Mighty Orbots
Inhumanoids
The Adventures of the Gummi Bears
The Real Ghostbusters!
Thundercats
Silverhawks (which was basically Thundercats IN SPAAAAACE!)
TigerSharks (which was both of the above...IN WATER!)
Dragon's Lair/Space Ace
G.I. Joe (kind of mandatory)
Transformers (ditto)
Voltron (ditto)
US Acres (the side-run with Garfield and Friends...actually better than Garfield for the most part)
DuckTales
Chip'n'Dale's Rescue Rangers
TaleSpin
He-Man
Muppet Babies (say what you will, it had better-than-average writing, especially the pop culture parody stuff)
Robotix (mostly existed as a animated pitch for the toysets...which I had)
Super Friends (the Wonder Twins--making the fistbump cool decades before their time)
We didn't have cable, so I only rarely caught gems like Dangermouse and Count Duckula.
Then came the 90's. Things got more ironic, hipper, edgier. I spent many, many hours in college watching:
Duckman
Animaniacs
Tiny Toons
Rocko's Modern World
The Maxx
Aeon Flux
2 Stupid Dogs
Cow and Chicken (and its spinoff, I.M. Weasel)
The Critic
Daria
Dexter's Laboratory
Gargoyles
The Tick
Pirates of Darkwater
Courage the Cowardly Dog
Histeria! (an oft-overlooked gem from the same team that did Tiny Toons and Animaniacs...had the same "fucked-up history" vibe as Peabody and Sherman or Commander McBragg)
Seriously...I remember two snippets of Histeria that absolutely sold me on this show. The first was a segment on Leonardo DaVinci, called "Renaissance Man" where he was basically the medieval version of Batman, using contraptions that he designed and built. The second was a segment on Sherman's march to the sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman's_March_to_the_Sea). On a fucking kid's cartoon. And it was done as cross between a Ken Burns documentary...and Pee-Wee's Playhouse. With your host, Pee-Wee Sherman. ("The secret word of the day is...TOTAL WAR!") :o :D
Post by: kaijyuu on June 05, 2012, 09:43:57 am
And as long as we're listing off 80s cartoons, no discussion is complete without Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLU1GfIIGLE) Cheese in its most distilled form.
Post by: RedKing on June 05, 2012, 10:04:13 am
I can't say that animated series of western progeniture are my slice of bread, although I do watch animated feature films from time to time. Here's a few interesting ones I know:
(links to trailers on youtube)
The Secret of Kells (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMPhHTtKZ8Q) - myths and history of the British isles are blended to tell a coming of age tale, with visual and aural grandeur. The unique animation style mimics the simple, yet intricate illuminations of the titular artifact. It's one of my favourite films, animated or not.
The Triplets of Belleville (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_LRQ6d9wdc&feature=related) - a really trippy and technically impressive film, with the big drawback of being rather boring. Some really memorable scenes are worth sitting through its overly long run.
Metropia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLPD_9uFmVI) - An Orwellian world and story, reminescent of Terry Gilliam's Brazil. The visual style is very unsettling, with actors' faces kind of "grafted" onto CGI animated puppets. The story doesn't have much of an impact, though. Or maybe it's just me being too jaded.
Persepolis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ22VyjJ6n8) - Another coming of age story, this time with an Iranian girl at its centre. Mostly kept in black and white, this comic book adaptation is at times observant, darkly humorous and poignant.
Immortal: Ad vitam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl9pSJYXBsk) - (note: the trailer doesn't do it justice) An adaptation of one of Enki Bilal's comic books (which you should check by the way) merging live-acting with CGI animation. Looks jarringly odd at times, but if you can get over this, the film gets quite interesting.
The story concerns... nah, it's too weird and complicated to describe.
Waltz with Bashir (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J9uoLMhMhs) - A sort of documentary, concerning the Lebanon War of 1982. It's got a dreamy feel to it, almost nightmarish but not quite, despite being a very realistic depiction of war. Worth seeing.
I've seen the first two, and enjoyed both. Even got my daughter to sit through Secret of Kells...thought she might take off when the Vikings or Crom Cruach showed up, but she stuck it out. It's a gorgeous film.
@kaijyuu:
Iknorite? Not only that, but the animation/artwork quality was just that...quality. For all their other failings when it comes to storytelling sometimes, one thing you cannot accuse Disney of is having poorly-trained artists and animators. Compared to the 6- and 8-frame a second crap that a lot of companies were pumping out on Saturday mornings, Gummi Bears was done in much higher caliber animation (I can't find the exact specs, but I'm guessing at least 16 frames per second, possibly 24).
Post by: kaijyuu on June 05, 2012, 10:41:02 am
I certainly hope it's true! This poor show has a terrible track record of actually airing new episodes; 7 month wait between the first and second halves of season 1, and season 2 got delayed. I wonder if they're having production problems or if Cartoon Network just sucks. Maybe both.
The first episode of season 2 was leaked a while back, and you can find it on youtube if you're not yet up to date. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDYgcA1NLnU) (Don't watch that unless you've seen the entire first season, else you'll get spoiled on some good plot twists (yes scooby doo has plot twists beyond the unmaskings))
EDIT: The more I look into it, the more likely it seems! Guess I'll be trying to find a good youtube upload this saturday.
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Post by: RedKing on June 05, 2012, 01:58:39 pm
The first trick to enjoying Scooby Doo is to realize that Scooby and Shaggy are almost perpetually baked. Hence the paranoia, the constant obsession with finding some food, the giggling, the gullability of thinking they a g-g-g-g-GHOST, and so forth.
Post by: Pnx on June 05, 2012, 02:11:33 pm
Somebody needs a couple of Scooby Snacks.I always assumed the snacks were like "special" brownies of some form or another. Also, I don't think that originally anyone but Shaggy could understand Scooby when he spoke.
The first trick to enjoying Scooby Doo is to realize that Scooby and Shaggy are almost perpetually baked. Hence the paranoia, the constant obsession with finding some food, the giggling, the gullability of thinking they a g-g-g-g-GHOST, and so forth.
The Venture Brothers did a great parody of Scooby Doo. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr4Ek08FEFs)
Post by: MrWiggles on June 05, 2012, 02:44:31 pm
Old Scooby Doo makes my brain bleed, its so stupid to me, very repetive, predictable, animations like they were made for 5 bucks (i know there were other standards long ago, but seriously, why the fuck do they air 80's(or something) show on Cartoon Network?), plus name Scooby Doo makes my eyes bleed, the dog is plain idiot, so is Shaggy, and that isnt totally funny for me because i deal with such retards daily in REAL LIFE. The main heroes come to fascinating conclusions at end of every episode, that ghosts actually DONT exist, yet still shit pants when see one even after dealing with such cases daily, do they have amnesia or what? Some times when scooby or shaggy is accidentaly dressed as ghost, they decide to beat him up, why dont they do it when its ACTUALLY the guy who they are looking for? Seriously, Scooby Doo gives me heavy cerebral hemorrhage and when i see it i head to nearest toilet. The only worse thing than it is Metallica album "Lulu". And this is end of my rant.
Old Scooby is fantastic, and superior to the current one. The old Scob show was about critical thinking, investigation and using evidence to come to a conclusion. It was never a supernatural bullshit thing, there was always human agency.
Just like in real life.
Post by: RedKing on June 05, 2012, 02:54:53 pm
One of the first episodes of Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law I ever saw involved him defending Shaggy and Scooby on possession charges (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R76jSM7GfYc). :PSomebody needs a couple of Scooby Snacks.I always assumed the snacks were like "special" brownies of some form or another. Also, I don't think that originally anyone but Shaggy could understand Scooby when he spoke.
The first trick to enjoying Scooby Doo is to realize that Scooby and Shaggy are almost perpetually baked. Hence the paranoia, the constant obsession with finding some food, the giggling, the gullability of thinking they a g-g-g-g-GHOST, and so forth.
The Venture Brothers did a great parody of Scooby Doo. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr4Ek08FEFs)
Post by: kaijyuu on June 05, 2012, 03:05:00 pm
Wait, huh? Isn't it produced by an American company for an American network? Why would it be out here first?Beats me! Digging further I am starting to come across inconsistent information; everywhere except the dedicated scooby doo wiki claims episode 27 aired june 2nd. The scooby doo wiki claims 4 episodes have aired. However, I can't find any videos of them.
Episode 28 info (http://scoobydoo.wikia.com/wiki/The_House_of_the_Nightmare_Witch)
@everyone else
1) The old cartoon has its merits, but yeah it's extremely campy. I liked it as a kid since it hit the threshold of "scariness" that I could handle (I was very, very easily scared by movies and TV as a kid. X-Files was too much for me). It's still pretty entertaining if you imagine Shaggy to be constantly baked. IMO its strength is turning "horror" tropes into comedic ones and simplifying it for kids, though of course it was made in a time where adding stuff older people might like wasn't common.
2) Mystery Incorporated has 0 supernatural elements except talking animals. Oh, and the costumes give acrobatic and super strength through the power of plot. It's more "realistic" than say, Batman, and doesn't have any of the silliness from the movies (so no real monsters, unless you count the monstrous human beings).
3) I liked Robot Chicken's parody :P "Man, I am one messed up dog food eating hippie."
Post by: ToonyMan on June 05, 2012, 03:11:55 pm
Bullshit! Mystery Incorporated has better writing than the older series and I have seen almost all the older stuff which I own on VHS.Old Scooby Doo makes my brain bleed, its so stupid to me, very repetive, predictable, animations like they were made for 5 bucks (i know there were other standards long ago, but seriously, why the fuck do they air 80's(or something) show on Cartoon Network?), plus name Scooby Doo makes my eyes bleed, the dog is plain idiot, so is Shaggy, and that isnt totally funny for me because i deal with such retards daily in REAL LIFE. The main heroes come to fascinating conclusions at end of every episode, that ghosts actually DONT exist, yet still shit pants when see one even after dealing with such cases daily, do they have amnesia or what? Some times when scooby or shaggy is accidentaly dressed as ghost, they decide to beat him up, why dont they do it when its ACTUALLY the guy who they are looking for? Seriously, Scooby Doo gives me heavy cerebral hemorrhage and when i see it i head to nearest toilet. The only worse thing than it is Metallica album "Lulu". And this is end of my rant.Old Scooby is fantastic, and superior to the current one. The old Scob show was about critical thinking, investigation and using evidence to come to a conclusion. It was never a supernatural bullshit thing, there was always human agency.
Just like in real life.
And if I remember the first movie (does that count as old enough?) there were REAL ZOMBIES.
Post by: Neonivek on June 05, 2012, 03:15:11 pm
The Ghost was a really buff man with a white sheet over his head... the worst ghost in the entire run of the show... but at the same time I would NEVER EVER not run away from him if he was chasing me.
It sort of made me realise that one of the reasons they run anyway is because... lets face it... they could kill you.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 05, 2012, 03:20:07 pm
Also the villains do try to kill them now. Earnestly. With knives and stuff.
Post by: MrWiggles on June 05, 2012, 03:22:17 pm
Old Scooby never had any movies, to my knowledge. Whats the release date for the movie?Bullshit! Mystery Incorporated has better writing than the older series and I have seen almost all the older stuff which I own on VHS.Old Scooby Doo makes my brain bleed, its so stupid to me, very repetive, predictable, animations like they were made for 5 bucks (i know there were other standards long ago, but seriously, why the fuck do they air 80's(or something) show on Cartoon Network?), plus name Scooby Doo makes my eyes bleed, the dog is plain idiot, so is Shaggy, and that isnt totally funny for me because i deal with such retards daily in REAL LIFE. The main heroes come to fascinating conclusions at end of every episode, that ghosts actually DONT exist, yet still shit pants when see one even after dealing with such cases daily, do they have amnesia or what? Some times when scooby or shaggy is accidentaly dressed as ghost, they decide to beat him up, why dont they do it when its ACTUALLY the guy who they are looking for? Seriously, Scooby Doo gives me heavy cerebral hemorrhage and when i see it i head to nearest toilet. The only worse thing than it is Metallica album "Lulu". And this is end of my rant.Old Scooby is fantastic, and superior to the current one. The old Scob show was about critical thinking, investigation and using evidence to come to a conclusion. It was never a supernatural bullshit thing, there was always human agency.
Just like in real life.
And if I remember the first movie (does that count as old enough?) there were REAL ZOMBIES.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 05, 2012, 03:25:25 pm
Either way the culprits in Mystery INC are still human and their abilities are still explained even if it's sometimes far-fetched but come on the point here is anti-fantasy right?
Post by: Sergius on June 05, 2012, 03:25:46 pm
I actually did see the show a handful of times, back when it was actually on-air. I remember virtually nothing about it. Hey, you remember those other MTV shows? Like that one with the guy with the giant head and something about aliens? I don't know what that was.
The first time I saw Aeon Flux, it was something like 4:30AM and I had absolutely no idea what was going on. It was definitely a trip.
And yeah, I remember "The Head", from "MTV's Oddities". I think that's what they were called, anyway. The guy had a little purple alien dude living in his skull.
It's amazing to think that there was once a time when MTV was actually responsible for pushing the creative envelope rather than holding it back or shoving it through the shredder.
The Maxx was an impressive show, and made me immediately seek out the comic book and read it from start to finish. It was even better.
From the most current shows, I don't know. I think Adventure Time and The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack are awesome.
From discontinued shows, Gargoyles (pre-Chronicles) was nearly as good as it got. I don't remember a single show ever that was better than that one (the original Batman TAS came close). And I've watched a lot of shows. If you haven't seen it, GET IT NOW.
A question aside, was Batman TAS officially part of the DCAU universe? it felt really out of place with the art style of Superman and the JL, and REALLY different from The New Batman Adventures, which actually felt a better fit with the other shows. To me both shows always stood apart.
A bit of an oldie, ReBoot was really good. Probably one of the first fully CG TV shows.
Ahh... the D&D cartoon... a great example of awesome potential ruined by the moral guardians. Remember, The Complainer Is Always Wrong (http://www.povonline.com/cols/COL145.htm) (not a link to TVTropes, btw).
If you liked Superfriends, you'll LOVE this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mhbxlz_wrI
Post by: CJ1145 on June 05, 2012, 03:26:38 pm
I'd just like to forward this as the best part of my, or anyone else's childhood.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 05, 2012, 03:29:03 pm
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A question aside, was Batman TAS officially part of the DCAU universe? it felt really out of place with the art style of Superman and the JL, and REALLY different from The New Batman Adventures, which actually felt a better fit with the other shows. To me both shows always stood apart.Officially they're all in the same continuity. Except a few tiny things (like Penguin's hands), there's no inconsistencies, so the difference is largely in art style.
And New Batman Adventures sucked. Except when it didn't. Mad Love was great. Anything with Firefly or whatever that stupid pyromaniac villain's name was was terrible.
@pup named scooby doo
I've heard that one was decent, but never saw it myself.
Post by: DarkWolfXV on June 05, 2012, 03:52:31 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 05, 2012, 03:57:53 pm
In old scooby i hated that they ran away from unarmed guy, and i hated that shaggy and scooby were scared of everything and they were like 24/7 high. You know, they could beat the shit, 4 people and a dog could eaisly take down unarmed guy. At least in Mystery Inc sometimes they do have reason to run away, like knives.
Its a Psychopath... I'd think the normal reaction is to be scared and run away.
Also Scooby has yet to really show that he has any of the real dog traits that would be helpful. Even when he has bitten someone it had just been a bit painful.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 05, 2012, 06:36:52 pm
Old Scooby never had any movies, to my knowledge. Whats the release date for the movie?The Hex Girls movie had real magic. I'm not sure how old or new it is but it's old enough that I remember watching it back when I had cartoon network. So... who knows.
Post by: Neonivek on June 05, 2012, 06:41:10 pm
Old Scooby never had any movies, to my knowledge. Whats the release date for the movie?The Hex Girls movie had real magic. I'm not sure how old or new it is but it's old enough that I remember watching it back when I had cartoon network. So... who knows.
The rule of thumb is that the show it is always fake monsters (excluding 13 ghosts) but the movies are generally real or include a real monster.
There was only one scooby doo movie that actually had no monster, creature, or ghost.
Post by: Sergius on June 05, 2012, 07:37:48 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 05, 2012, 07:58:31 pm
I remember reading somewhere that Scooby Doo shows exist in completely separate continuities (so, old shows, new shows, and TV movies aren't sequels, prequels of each other). Not sure where this fits, but I think I once saw either a movie or an episode where there was some sort of weird dimension loop thingy where two Scooby Gangs from different cartoons met each other (complete with "modern" Fred making fun of "vintage" Fred's scarf).
No what you are thinking of is the Scooby Doo movie where they are sent into the digital world where there are "Classical" versions of the characters.
However they arn't the original gang, they are a version created by rumors of the characters involved. Hense why Digital Scooby Doo is very brave.
The Live Action Scooby Doo movie was an actual movie in Whats New Scooby Doo and oddly enough is almost canonical.
Post by: Sergius on June 05, 2012, 08:01:35 pm
Did the "real" characters turn into cartoons also? 'cause in the scene I saw both were cartoons.
Post by: Neonivek on June 05, 2012, 08:07:16 pm
Well, OK, but the continuity part is a separate argument from that glimpse of an episode/show I saw. Can't really argue more about that scene since I probably only say a fraction of a minute when I was zapping around.
Did the "real" characters turn into cartoons also? 'cause in the scene I saw both were cartoons.
No I was talking about a cartoon movie.
The Live Action movie was Canonical to the "Whats new Scooby Doo" show sorta. It was a actual movie in the "Whats new Scooby Doo movie" that depicted some of the true events (Daphne learning martial arts is canonical. Velma getting a boyfriend is not)
The Cartoon movie where the crew gets thrown in the digital world is canonical to the original "Scooby Doo where are you?" show and takes place long after the series.
Though even though the Cartoons (most of them) and movies take place in different continuities I should state that it is only half-true. They often imply that the same mysteries happened in all of them. (For example even in Mystery Incorperated they delt with the same fake ghosts)
Post by: Flying Dice on June 05, 2012, 08:22:52 pm
(http://www.toonopolis.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/1group.jpg)
I'd just like to forward this as the best part of my, or anyone else's childhood.
Darn you, Red Herring!
Post by: G-Flex on June 05, 2012, 08:43:04 pm
Also since movies are on the docket, Light Years (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3FsASNavdU). This movie really messed with my head as a kid. It defines for me the look of 80s western animation (even though it's French), and how, I dunno, realistic they felt in comparison to much of what's come after. In terms of that weird place you get watching animation intended for adults, anime doesn't even come close to the sensation I get watching 80s cartoons like Light Years.
I believe this is the same guy who did Fantastic Planet (aka La Planete Sauvage), which is trippy as hell and worth a watch (Eureka's Masters of Cinema line has it out on DVD and blu-ray now).
Post by: Pnx on June 05, 2012, 10:22:39 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 05, 2012, 10:36:57 pm
Oh that reminds me, everyone who hasn't should watch The Thief and the Cobbler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E62ibzd8WX4). It's a Disney-esque animated film with really great animation and art, but had a very, very, troubled production. The version that went to theatres had a lot of unfinished scenes cut from it, the youtube version I linked to has partially finished scenes and mockups and such put in.
Are we getting into movies now?
Watch Land Before Time
Post by: nenjin on June 05, 2012, 10:47:15 pm
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Old Scooby never had any movies, to my knowledge. Whats the release date for the movie?
Not true!
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From 1986 to 1988, Hanna-Barbera Productions produced Hanna-Barbera Superstars 10, a series of syndicated telefilms featuring their most popular characters, including Yogi Bear, Huckleberry Hound, The Flintstones, and The Jetsons. Scooby-Doo, Scrappy-Doo, and Shaggy starred in three of these movies: Scooby-Doo Meets the Boo Brothers (1987), Scooby-Doo and the Ghoul School (1988), and Scooby-Doo and the Reluctant Werewolf (1989), . These three films took their tone from the early-1980s Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo entries, and featured the characters encountering actual monsters and ghosts rather than masqueraded people. Scooby-Doo and Shaggy later appeared as the narrators of the made-for-TV movie Arabian Nights, originally broadcast by TBS in 1994, Don Messick's final outing as the original voice of Scooby-Doo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooby-Doo
I think I only watched Scooby Doo meets the Boo Brothers. I think it was basically Shaggy and Scooby go Down South and encounter some mildly racist stereotypes, or something.
Post by: Mech#4 on June 06, 2012, 12:06:08 am
One cartoon I did enjoy watching was "Duckula". My childhood was saturated with ducks, so many ducks!
"Ooo, me ducky-poo!" "No nanny! Open the door. OPEN THE" -Crash- :P
Post by: RedKing on June 06, 2012, 07:21:53 am
Lensman
Rock & Rule (a somewhat more kid-friendly Heavy Metal, with a great soundtrack and Iggy Pop as the main villain)
Animalympics (pretty much what it says on the label...it's the Olympics, done with animals. Sounds gimmicky but it's quite inventive.) -- also interesting in that one of the animators, Brad Bird, went on to write and direct Iron Giant, The Incredibles and Ratatouille.
The Plague Dogs (good film, however it's like the kid's version of The Road, done with talking dogs. BLEAK AS HELL.)
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 06, 2012, 07:25:20 am
Anyone else here watch Metalocolypse?
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 06, 2012, 08:07:12 am
Light Years (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3FsASNavdU)This reminds me of some older animated films:
Heavy Metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGwn_0k_TQo) - basically an anthology of short SF stories with another framing tale tacked on. Each of the six "episodes" is almost completely different in tone and animation style. This being a sort of tribute/adaptation of once popular comic book magazine of the same name, it stays true to the themes the magazine was famous for. That is, lots of eroticism, gore and irreverent humour, all catering to the adolescent-like fantasies of adult males.
The soundtrack, as its title suggests, is chosen from well-known 80s metal bands' music, which makes for a fun ride.
Worth seeing for every fan of old-school SF and SF in general, if only to get a better notion of where do later SF films come from. E.g.the taxi driver in Luc Besson's "Fifth Element" as played by Bruce Willis is practically a carbon copy of Harry Canyon, the hero of one of HM's stories.
It had a sequel released in 2000-ish, but I don't know much about it, apart from the fact that it failed to achieve its predecessor's cult status.
Fire and Ice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz-yLWGaIxM) - now I don't really remember this one, apart from flashes of certain scenes etched in my memories of early childhood. My parents must have watched it on VHS(how else?) when I was little. Anyway, Frank Frazetta was involved in this one, meaning it's high fantasy in the vein of the Conan the Barbarian, with bulging muscles and buxom women(even more so than it was in Heavy Metal). Like the previous one, it's aimed at adults definitely.
Wizards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsg94KjU6rg) - I've just stumbled upon this one. Can't wait to see it. I mean, Nazi wizards.
Post by: RedKing on June 06, 2012, 08:23:52 am
Heavy Metal is visually interesting but it gets boring pretty quick.
@GlyphGryph: Hells to the yes. I was a big fan of Home Movies (Brendon Small's earlier series on Cartoon Network), so I was all over Metalocalypse. Took me a couple of episodes to fully warm up to it, but I'm a bona fide fan.
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 06, 2012, 08:24:44 am
Post by: Neonivek on June 06, 2012, 08:37:13 am
I could never get into Home Movies. It wasn't bad, just didn't resonate with me.
It depends also on what episode you get in on. There were some pretty terrible episodes, but there were others that were almost genius.
Try watching the episode "Its time to pay the price" (probably not its name... but I liked it)
Or the episode where the kid has to make a history report.
The secret of Home Movies is that the movies always dirrectly reflect what is happening in the plot. (often in hillarious ways)
Post by: RedKing on June 06, 2012, 08:45:01 am
I could never get into Home Movies. It wasn't bad, just didn't resonate with me.It's got a very...acquired sense of humor. Extremely dry. I was also a fan of Dr. Katz, which had much of the same kind of very dry, dialogue-based humor. Both shows had Tom Snyder involved with them, and if you ever watched the Late, Late Show when he was still hosting it...Snyder is an incredibly funny man but much of his humor is the kind of stuff that elicits droll chuckles rather than fits of laughter. He also didn't have a buttmonkey like Paul Shaffer to act as a cue for when people were supposed to laugh.
It's also where H. Jon Benjamin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Jon_Benjamin) really got his break as a voice actor, and he's got the driest comedic voice I can think of.
Oh, and the episode where they made a public service announcement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpz67hBIJwg) to remind kids not to stick marbles in their nose was priceless (and an early look at Brendon Small's love of metal).
I think for me personally, it resonated because when I was in high school I spent about half my day in the film/TV department working on short films and such, so I totally understood the whole "have big idea, don't have the resources, will make something half-assed instead" vibe. :P
Post by: kaijyuu on June 06, 2012, 09:02:42 am
Who knew the 1940s superman cartoons were actually kinda good? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAjCyN5ruFA) Ridiculously cliche and silly by today's standards, but pretty awesome for its time. Especially with the animation quality; I see where the 90s Batman and Superman cartoons got a lot of their influence.
Post by: Jervill on June 06, 2012, 09:07:55 am
Such as this one:
Bimbo's Initiation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFrBG4xyaF8)
Post by: nenjin on June 06, 2012, 09:26:45 am
Ralph Bakshi is probably responsible for several parents losing their shit when they find out the cartoon their kids rented wasn't ever intended for adults. I like Bakshi for his craft, but he was always way too concerned with sexualizing things. Still, he's like one of the godfathers of animation on both sides of the pond.
I never liked Heavy Metal other than for the supernatural elements. The Orb was a cool story piece. But everything else was mostly a showcase for T&A.
That's the other thing that defines 80s western and non-western animation for me, how it was still trying to figure how and where to separate itself from softcore hentai. Shows today may often seem infantile....but many 80s western cartoons and eastern animes had all the tact and restraint of a 15-year-old boy. But hey, without that era, how would we have ever gotten gems like Fist of the North Star, ect...
I'm both kind of saddened and relieved that local anime cons aren't so frequent anymore. Being a teenager hanging out with 40 year olds watching cartoons 40 year olds find entertaining was....an educational experience.
Post by: Neonivek on June 06, 2012, 09:27:44 am
Duckman.
Post by: Sergius on June 06, 2012, 11:06:20 pm
LENSMAN???
Isn't that... anime? I'm pretty sure there isn't a Western animated version of Lensman. Robot Carnival would probably be disqualified from this thread, I think?
Light Years (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3FsASNavdU)This reminds me of some older animated films:
Heavy Metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGwn_0k_TQo) - basically an anthology of short SF stories with another framing tale tacked on. Each of the six "episodes" is almost completely different in tone and animation style. This being a sort of tribute/adaptation of once popular comic book magazine of the same name, it stays true to the themes the magazine was famous for. That is, lots of eroticism, gore and irreverent humour, all catering to the adolescent-like fantasies of adult males.
The soundtrack, as its title suggests, is chosen from well-known 80s metal bands' music, which makes for a fun ride.
Worth seeing for every fan of old-school SF and SF in general, if only to get a better notion of where do later SF films come from. E.g.the taxi driver in Luc Besson's "Fifth Element" as played by Bruce Willis is practically a carbon copy of Harry Canyon, the hero of one of HM's stories.
It had a sequel released in 2000-ish, but I don't know much about it, apart from the fact that it failed to achieve its predecessor's cult status.
Fire and Ice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz-yLWGaIxM) - now I don't really remember this one, apart from flashes of certain scenes etched in my memories of early childhood. My parents must have watched it on VHS(how else?) when I was little. Anyway, Frank Frazetta was involved in this one, meaning it's high fantasy in the vein of the Conan the Barbarian, with bulging muscles and buxom women(even more so than it was in Heavy Metal). Like the previous one, it's aimed at adults definitely.
Wizards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsg94KjU6rg) - I've just stumbled upon this one. Can't wait to see it. I mean, Nazi wizards.
Ok, Fire and Ice looks just awesome, and now I must watch it. Rotoscoped boobs FTW.
Anyone remembers... Pirates of Darkwater (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_5F1zYQF5M)?
Post by: Frumple on June 06, 2012, 11:12:54 pm
Post by: Sergius on June 06, 2012, 11:45:33 pm
For some reason YouTube recommended this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au6fq1BRNQQ) while searching for Blackwater. Which reminded me of The Last Unicorn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEIXUNKA9NY). (probably mentioned too, I guess :P)
Post by: Neonivek on June 07, 2012, 12:50:57 am
I know a lot of people didn't like Titan A.E. I actually enjoyed it.
For some reason YouTube recommended this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au6fq1BRNQQ) while searching for Blackwater. Which reminded me of The Last Unicorn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEIXUNKA9NY). (probably mentioned too, I guess :P)
I don't think it is that people outright disliked Titan A.E. I think it was more that... it was an Ok movie that should have been great.
Post by: G-Flex on June 07, 2012, 02:14:09 am
I guess I'll put this out there next
Duckman.
A protagonist and a villain played by Jason Alexander and Tim Curry respectively: Imagine the logical consequences of that, and you understand Duckman.
Some of the humor feels a bit dated now, but it was a fun show.
Post by: Heliman on June 07, 2012, 02:53:30 am
A protagonist and a villain played by Jason Alexander and Tim Curry respectively: Imagine the logical consequences of that, and you understand Duckman.that doesn't-
...
nevermind.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 07, 2012, 05:57:16 am
Ended on a high note, though apparently a random rock is stronger than Superman. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTECNKpZAM4) Leave it to Darkseid to use only the best cobblestones for his palace!
EDIT: Got a reply from Toady concerning MLP. Not what I'd hoped, but workable considering the thread's intended purpose. Read the updated rules in the OP concerning what is and isn't allowed, and if someone breaks those rules and goes off on a pony derail, please just point them to the other forum rather than ridiculing them.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 07, 2012, 04:00:00 pm
Gunter is a perfect creature. I feel like anyone could have predicted I would think this.
Post by: Neonivek on June 07, 2012, 04:29:03 pm
Sometimes a show seems better when watched on your computer over the TV. I mean for some reason when I watched Mystery Incorperated with headphones on my computer I was engaged and genuinly interesting in what happened next.
Then when I watched it on TV I was soo bored.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 07, 2012, 04:56:18 pm
Or maybe your monitor's just better at displaying colors or something.
Post by: Frumple on June 07, 2012, 05:06:38 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 07, 2012, 05:11:24 pm
Might have been the lack of commercials breaking the show into pieces. Maybe.
It really could be. The lack of interupting commercials is something I am starting to seriously become spoiled to.
Post by: Furtuka on June 07, 2012, 09:35:14 pm
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Post by: Neonivek on June 09, 2012, 03:15:34 pm
Decided to catch up on Young Justice. I left off about halfway through the first season and stopped when I missed an episode and was to lazy to go watch it online.
It has to get better later or something because right now it is boring.
Though the first thing I noticed that made me worried is that they changed the gender of one of the super heros probably because they were too sexual or something (Or, maybe something good... like that hero at that time in the comics was male).
Post by: Furtuka on June 09, 2012, 03:16:59 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on June 13, 2012, 07:34:04 am
Anyone here seen it and have an opinion on that?
Post by: Sergius on June 13, 2012, 09:07:45 am
So. I'm trying out Gargoyles. I've been told I should skip the third season, since the creator left at that point and it went downhill.
Anyone here seen it and have an opinion on that?
Season 3 really went downhill. Haven't watched ALL of them, but they are seriously lacking quality. The animation looks like something from the 80s, the themes are rather childish. I think one episode focused entirely on the gargoyle dog getting lost having silly Lassie-style adventures.
There might be one or two gems hidden in all that crap but I wouldn't count on it. The series is best followed by the comic books sequel.
Post by: Neonivek on June 13, 2012, 10:42:23 am
??? Who are you talking about?
I was trying to avoid saying the name because I would spell it incorrectly... but here it goes
Zatanna
Post by: Levi on June 13, 2012, 10:56:36 am
Post by: Neonivek on June 13, 2012, 11:07:45 am
Zatanna is in their and she is female. You probably saw an episode with her father, Zattara or something.
Well male Zatanna is in the first episode and I havn't seen female Zatanna juuuust yet.
But then again I am behind in the episodes.
Post by: Furtuka on June 13, 2012, 01:36:20 pm
Zatanna is in their and she is female. You probably saw an episode with her father, Zattara or something.
Well male Zatanna is in the first episode and I havn't seen female Zatanna juuuust yet.
But then again I am behind in the episodes.
Er, yeah that's her father Zatarra.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Telgin on June 13, 2012, 07:46:52 pm
So. I'm trying out Gargoyles. I've been told I should skip the third season, since the creator left at that point and it went downhill.
Anyone here seen it and have an opinion on that?
I can't comment on season 3 in particular, but as a whole I enjoyed Gargoyles immensely. I'd highly recommend it.
Of course, as things typically go, I'd watch season 3 anyway, just so I knew what happened and could appreciate how much better the earlier seasons were, if so. I'm kind of reminded of season 4 of Reboot, which was all kinds of strange compared to 1-3.
Post by: Neonivek on June 16, 2012, 12:35:52 am
1) The villains would be a lot more effective if they stuck to legal ways of destroying the planet
and
2) The heros would be a lot more effective if they shared their high-efficiency ecofriendly technology with the world. They never EVER explain why they don't just teach the world how to make Ecofliers or Ecosubs inspite of the fact that they would solve the entire reason why we don't use ecofriendly energy.
Dear goodness the sheer amount of episodes that are sustained on stupid amazes me. I just heard "Note to self: call the police" in captain planet... in which my response was "You didn't call the police!?!"
Post by: kaijyuu on June 16, 2012, 12:38:26 am
Come now.
Post by: Neonivek on June 16, 2012, 12:40:17 am
Are you saying their building refrigerators just to break them open and leak out chemicals destroy the ozone is unrealistic?
Come now.
What about the polution monster made of smog?
Also unrealistic parts is fine. I don't mean sustained on stupid as in "This is stupid" I mean as in the characters are acting stupid.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 16, 2012, 12:44:56 am
But this sort of thing tends to be one of those nitpicks most people look over; even in a (slightly) more "serious" setting like Superman, Lex Luthor would make a hell of a lot more money if he stuck to legal methods. Maybe the villains are actually truly nuts, or maybe they're just bad because they want to be bad. Or maybe it's just bad writing.
Makes me wonder if a captain planet revival that took a deconstructive view at the universe would fly. It'd be interesting, to say the least.
Post by: Neonivek on June 16, 2012, 12:55:57 am
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Maybe the villains are actually truly nuts, or maybe they're just bad because they want to be bad.
Hmmm of the Captain Planet villains:
-Dr. Blight: Possibly insane. She has a backstory that is never actually touched upon but it hints that she may have once been a good person. She started off as a pretty big threat (one of the only villains who could legitimately give Captain Planet trouble)
-Hoggish Greedly: Wants to be bad and is pathologically greedy (so insane too)
-Scuum: Insane, possibly from his mutations. He started off legitimately threatening.
-Lutin and Plunder: Just Greedy.
-The Garbage man (forgot name): Greedy. He likes to slash costs by pouring garbage everywhere.
-Duke Nukem: Power hungry. He is legitimately empowered by radiation, he just doesn't care who he hurts doing so.
--These arn't all the villains
Of the most effective villains... they are Dr. Blight, Scuum, and Lutin.
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Makes me wonder if a captain planet revival that took a deconstructive view at the universe would fly
I don't know... Captain Planet is already so absolutely absurdly awsome as it is.
Though to admit... I could easily see Captain Planet being legitimately good. I mean five teens who are given elemental rings fighting super villains with the ability to summon up an even greater hero? Plus with greek gods thrown in (Captain Planet is technically a greek god, same with Captain polution)
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Ok here is a scene
Wheeler is lying on the grass drenched head to toe in his swimming trunks. Ma-Ti standing over him. Gaia calls and goes "I don't want to know"
What do you think?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 16, 2012, 01:06:07 am
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Wheeler is lying on the grass drenched head to toe in his swimming trunks. Ma-Ti standing over him. Gaia calls and goes "I don't want to know"Some slash fanfiction?
What do you think?
Post by: Neonivek on June 16, 2012, 01:06:55 am
QuoteWheeler is lying on the grass drenched head to toe in his swimming trunks. Ma-Ti standing over him. Gaia calls and goes "I don't want to know"Some slash fanfiction?
What do you think?
Oddly enough... this happened in an episode.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 16, 2012, 01:07:45 am
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Post by: Neonivek on June 16, 2012, 02:22:57 am
So this thread has inspired me to pick up DVDs of the first seasons of Samurai Jack and Futurama from the library. Looking forward to EPIC
personally I wonder why it never crossed Jack's mind to just destroy Aku in the future and not erase everyone.
Post by: IronyOwl on June 16, 2012, 02:31:16 am
here's how the show endsMight want to spoiler that, perhaps?
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 16, 2012, 07:05:25 am
I don't know... Captain Planet is already so absolutely absurdly awsome as it is.http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/ted-turner-saves-earth.html
Post by: Aqizzar on June 16, 2012, 07:30:54 am
here's how the show endsMight want to spoiler that, perhaps?
He actually has nothing to spoil there. Don't worry, you'll be mad for a completely different reason.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 17, 2012, 12:04:21 am
Should I expand the thread to include comic books? A very large number of cartoons are based off them, plus they have a lot of similarities anyway. Not sure how many people here are actually into them, though. (I myself have only read Watchmen and The Killing Joke)
Post by: Neonivek on June 17, 2012, 12:13:42 am
General Public Question:
Should I expand the thread to include comic books? A very large number of cartoons are based off them, plus they have a lot of similarities anyway. Not sure how many people here are actually into them, though. (I myself have only read Watchmen and The Killing Joke)
My rule of thumb is don't care about it.
There arn't enough comic book lovers here to derail this thread and having a comic book based thread would just cause it to drop without discussion.
It was why before this I'd post about Western animation on the Anime thread and why people spoke about Manga, Visual novels, and even videogames on there (admittingly very visual novel-esk videogames but still an ordinary videogame)
Post by: ToonyMan on June 17, 2012, 12:18:44 am
It was why before this I'd post about Western animation on the Anime thread and why people spoke about Manga, Visual novels, and even videogames on there (admittingly very visual novel-esk videogames but still an ordinary videogame)Teeheeheehee.
Yeah comic books sound perfectly fine.
Post by: Remalle on June 17, 2012, 12:48:37 am
I found a simply amazing moment in the second collection, where a character starts dreaming and the art turns so you're reading it sideways for a few pages, and then the voice that wakes her up is right-side-up again. Very cool and effective way of inducing a sense of surrealism and dream.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 17, 2012, 01:01:15 am
Can worry about lack of focus problems if they arise. Doubt that'll be an issue~
EDIT: Oh, I did find a Batman: The Dark Knight Returns collection recently and thumbed through it. The art was nice but the whole thing reeked of cheese; The batmobile is a goddamn tank, Batman hops out of it to fight a mutant dude mano-mano in the mud... This is a highly respected series? Maybe it's just weird and silly when taken out of context; I didn't read it properly, after all.
Post by: MrWiggles on June 17, 2012, 06:03:08 am
And then it took a shit down my throat with Zuku exact voice on a different body. Super fucking jarring. (However, I'm pretty sure that, that person looks exactly what Zuku would look without the scar.)
Post by: Scelly9 on June 17, 2012, 10:47:54 am
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on June 17, 2012, 01:28:08 pm
Oh, I did find a Batman: The Dark Knight Returns collection recently and thumbed through it. The art was nice but the whole thing reeked of cheese; The batmobile is a goddamn tank, Batman hops out of it to fight a mutant dude mano-mano in the mud... This is a highly respected series? Maybe it's just weird and silly when taken out of context; I didn't read it properly, after all.Frank Miller right?
His stuff tends to be fairly uh... let's go with questionable. He seems to alternate whether his stuff is taken seriously or as a parody.
But that was one of his better ones, so yeah, it makes a bit more sense in context not too much more though.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 17, 2012, 11:54:27 pm
Post by: Tabbyman on June 18, 2012, 12:01:04 am
Absolutely hilarious even as an adult, at least in my opinion, and if you've got kids they'll laugh at it too without necessarily knowing why YOU are laughing at it.
Gotta love that aspect of cartoons. The really good ones sneak in humour only the adults are gonna get so they'll bother watching cartoons with their kids.
Post by: Sergius on June 18, 2012, 12:48:56 am
Earthworm Jim. I know it's old and not on the air anymore and most people probably don't remember but yeah... It was my favourite.
Absolutely hilarious even as an adult, at least in my opinion, and if you've got kids they'll laugh at it too without necessarily knowing why YOU are laughing at it.
Gotta love that aspect of cartoons. The really good ones sneak in humour only the adults are gonna get so they'll bother watching cartoons with their kids.
Earthworm Jim was quite good, especially for a toon based on a video game.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 18, 2012, 12:58:59 am
Maybe it's because people don't really care about what happens in the cartoon based on their product so long as it exists in the first place, and as such producers are pretty much given permission to go wild.
Post by: Tabbyman on June 18, 2012, 01:09:36 am
Western animation has a weird relationship with licensing. It seems things you'd never expect to make good cartoons (things based on toys, greeting cards, video games, newspaper comics, etc) turn out good at a surprising rate.
Maybe it's because people don't really care about what happens in the cartoon based on their product so long as it exists in the first place, and as such producers are pretty much given permission to go wild.
That's how it was with me and the Mario Bros cartoon. I was just so thrilled to watch a show about my videogame. I used to get up reflexively at something like 4am to watch that show in the morning as a kid.
Post by: Mech#4 on June 18, 2012, 02:15:51 am
Like with the Mario Bros cartoon. Accurate in character designs it wasn't really, but I do remember it being entertaining to watch. Other shows like "Captain N: The Game Master"... well...
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Post by: kaijyuu on June 18, 2012, 02:21:59 am
Post by: Tabbyman on June 18, 2012, 02:44:56 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 19, 2012, 12:21:10 am
edit: Oh, 52. The next two seasons aren't as long as the first one.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 19, 2012, 12:38:05 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 19, 2012, 12:51:39 am
Post by: Remalle on June 19, 2012, 12:57:16 am
Post by: Josephus on June 19, 2012, 01:12:29 am
This is a highly respected series? Maybe it's just weird and silly when taken out of context; I didn't read it properly, after all.
Along with Watchmen, TDKR is considered one of the seminal works of comic books and (along with Watchmen) considered responsible for starting the Dark Age.
You know, the age of comics starring dudes like this:
Spoiler: WARCHILD HOO-AH (click to show/hide)
Although considering Frank Miller's track record, I sometimes wonder if TDKR is respected mostly because it was the work that finished Batman's Bronze age transition from campy to dark.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 19, 2012, 02:01:40 am
Even people who don't care in the slightest about comic books should follow that link and be amazed.
Post by: Josephus on June 19, 2012, 02:15:19 am
Since this thread is about Cartoons/Western animation, anyone ever remember ExoSquad? I didn't watch it during its original run, but I managed to watch the series in its entirety recently.
It's.. pretty good. Considering it was a show about mecha in a pretty merchandise obsessed era, the series' plots tend to tackle heavy themes, like wartime death and loss, the ethics of bioengineering, etcetera. Certainly interesting.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 19, 2012, 04:14:48 am
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Post by: Frumple on June 19, 2012, 04:43:50 am
Since this thread is about Cartoons/Western animation, anyone ever remember ExoSquad? I didn't watch it during its original run, but I managed to watch the series in its entirety recently.
It's.. pretty good. Considering it was a show about mecha in a pretty merchandise obsessed era, the series' plots tend to tackle heavy themes, like wartime death and loss, the ethics of bioengineering, etcetera. Certainly interesting.
Anyway, Exosquad? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exosquad) Exosquad. I seriously need to actually go and watch through that at some point. Saw a good chunk when I was younger, but remember basically none of it. Still have a toy suit laying around somewhere in mostly one piece.I remember, heh. One day, I'll watch through it, yesyesyes.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 21, 2012, 03:41:01 am
Spoiler: Avatar Season 2 Episodes 13-15 reaction (click to show/hide)
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on June 21, 2012, 05:28:13 am
I sincerely believe this is the best thing Spielburg made, I mean it.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 21, 2012, 05:32:57 am
Post by: Scelly9 on June 21, 2012, 06:07:26 am
Post by: Furtuka on June 21, 2012, 07:01:52 am
Oh, god is this thing starting agai
-_- You're doing it wrong.
Post by: Scelly9 on June 21, 2012, 07:05:15 am
Post by: Neonivek on June 21, 2012, 10:00:50 am
If Captain Planet was in Avatar... could you bend him?
Post by: Frumple on June 21, 2012, 10:03:16 am
But yeah, the avatar probably could. AangxCaptain Planet slashfic, oh gods, why?
Post by: RedKing on June 21, 2012, 10:32:22 am
You had a genuinely bizarre world, strong mystic female character without her necessarily being an Action Babe, rough-and-tumble good guys with questionable loyalties, a talking buttmonkey greedy sidekick who was actually useful as opposed to being a Snarf, ships made out of living creatures called Leviathans, and...
...holy crap. It was like proto-Farscape. :D
Post by: Telgin on June 21, 2012, 04:56:19 pm
Watching some Freakazoid...
I sincerely believe this is the best thing Spielburg made, I mean it.
I miss Freakazoid. :( I loved that cartoon. Why does everything that is awesome only gets one or two seasons, but stupid drivel goes on for ten?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2012, 05:02:05 pm
Why does everything that is awesome only gets one or two seasons, but stupid drivel goes on for ten?Inertia. Most the "stupid drivel" was actually good at one point, but keeps going because people delusionally think it's still as good or just on a downswing. The downswing will never end, though (see: spongebob, simpsons).
On a much happier note, I finally got around to starting Gargoyles. 2 episodes in. Color me impressed! Already sprung one plot twist on me that actually worked, and I find it incredibly ironic that Xanatos is asking to be trusted. His infamy on TvTropes leads me to believe that's a bad idea.
One thing though...
Xanatos is commander Riker?
I could probably play a game of "guess the voice actor" with this show since I recognize so many of them. The viking leader is Lex Luthor, and the female gargoyle is Dianna Troi (iirc; haven't seen star trek TNG in a while. Been meaning to but that's another topic).
When I was a kid, I remember distinctly not liking this show. Dunno what was up with my childhood self but he was an idiot anyway.
Post by: Levi on June 21, 2012, 05:04:46 pm
Post by: Josephus on June 21, 2012, 05:07:15 pm
His infamy on TvTropes leads me to believe that's a bad idea.
Even if tvtropes hadn't already spoiled you, the ponytail/goatee combo should be a pretty potent warning.
That hair combination signifies evil.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2012, 05:26:42 pm
Uh oh :)
(well it's more stubble than a proper goatee but hey)
Post by: Pnx on June 21, 2012, 05:35:42 pm
I call it the law of sequels, a new sequel or season of something is usually markedly worse than the previous one, but this doesn't stop networks or studios trying to milk a popular show or move or some such for more cash.Why does everything that is awesome only gets one or two seasons, but stupid drivel goes on for ten?Inertia. Most the "stupid drivel" was actually good at one point, but keeps going because people delusionally think it's still as good or just on a downswing. The downswing will never end, though (see: spongebob, simpsons).
Post by: Josephus on June 21, 2012, 05:38:30 pm
I call it the law of sequels, a new sequel or season of something is usually markedly worse than the previous one, but this doesn't stop networks or studios trying to milk a popular show or move or some such for more cash.Why does everything that is awesome only gets one or two seasons, but stupid drivel goes on for ten?Inertia. Most the "stupid drivel" was actually good at one point, but keeps going because people delusionally think it's still as good or just on a downswing. The downswing will never end, though (see: spongebob, simpsons).
It works, too. You can't blame the studios for putting out 'drivel': their primary motive is always profit, and people pay for 'drivel' whether you like it or not.
Kaijyuu's got a really good point re: inertia, as well. That's one major reason people continue to pay for 'drivel'.
Post by: Jervill on June 21, 2012, 06:00:10 pm
I call it the law of sequels, a new sequel or season of something is usually markedly worse than the previous one, but this doesn't stop networks or studios trying to milk a popular show or move or some such for more cash.Why does everything that is awesome only gets one or two seasons, but stupid drivel goes on for ten?Inertia. Most the "stupid drivel" was actually good at one point, but keeps going because people delusionally think it's still as good or just on a downswing. The downswing will never end, though (see: spongebob, simpsons).
Be careful when generalizing, some shows only reach their stride a couple of seasons in. The Simpsons best seasons were 3rd->6th; and even 7,8, and 9 had their share of good episodes.
Not that I disagree, of course, many sequels are worse; I'm simply getting hung up on the word "usually", and feel I need to provide exceptions.
Post by: Pnx on June 21, 2012, 06:03:55 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2012, 06:05:39 pm
My favorite episodes are ones like Bart Sells his Soul, the one where Bart shoplifts the violent video game, the one where Homer meets his mother for the first time, Curse of the Flying Hellfish... The ones with heart to them, not just comedy. Don't think the producers agreed with me.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 21, 2012, 06:06:39 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on June 21, 2012, 06:13:36 pm
Post by: Levi on June 21, 2012, 06:15:17 pm
Avatar just keeps getting better. I don't know how.
It doesn't really stop getting better either. :)
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2012, 06:17:56 pm
I own seasons 1-10, and 10 is the last I felt like buying. There were still good episodes sprinkled here or there, but no where near the density. And seasons 5-8 or so were all mostly good (definitely worth watching), it's just that they were going slowly downhill.
IE I don't think there was one definitive shark jumping moment, but rather it was dying slowly and steadily.
If it gets worse after 10, well, I guess I made a very good decision to not get more. What I've seen on TV doesn't tell me that, though (I've never felt the later stuff truly bad, just meh).
Post by: Josephus on June 21, 2012, 06:19:24 pm
Avatar just keeps getting better. I don't know how.
It doesn't really stop getting better either. :)
I don't know, there are certainly some episodes I'd consider weak (that one episode where Aang goes to school, the other one with the scroll), but the really good ones (Zuko Alone, the finale episodes) obliterate their memory.
Batman the Animated Series was kind of the same way. People only remember the good episodes because they were that good, while mentally blocking out the bad/mediocre episodes.
Post by: IronyOwl on June 21, 2012, 06:21:27 pm
Anybody remember Pirates of Darkwater? That was probably one of my first experiences with network execs killing something and me left going, "But...but...WHYYYY???" :'(Not very much of it, but yeah. Not enough to really judge how well they did with it, but the basic premise was pretty neat.
Avatar just keeps getting better. I don't know how.Well, Toph helps, if you're there yet.
Post by: Levi on June 21, 2012, 06:47:07 pm
Avatar just keeps getting better. I don't know how.
It doesn't really stop getting better either. :)
I don't know, there are certainly some episodes I'd consider weak (that one episode where Aang goes to school, the other one with the scroll), but the really good ones (Zuko Alone, the finale episodes) obliterate their memory.
Yeah okay, you have a point. There were a few episodes that were pretty meh in the last season. Overall though I think it was still great though. :)
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 21, 2012, 07:00:51 pm
Yeah, some episodes are weak (mostly ones that are clear filler with no important character development), but as a whole it just keeps getting better. I think they probably should have done the inevitable "sokka has no powers and has a crisis over it" a bit earlier, but it was done very well anyways.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2012, 07:15:22 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 21, 2012, 07:32:45 pm
Spoiler: Avatar S3E5 Reaction (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2012, 07:41:37 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on June 21, 2012, 07:51:13 pm
I just finished season 3, episode 4. Toph is my favorite. Also Itoh.That reminds me. (http://booter-freak.deviantart.com/art/Avatar-Discovers-Shipping-97993291)
Post by: Pnx on June 21, 2012, 07:54:06 pm
Ah yes, the Beach Episode. Only it's the villains at the beach. And they torch a guy's house for fun. And we're supposed to sympathize with them. And it still works, somehow.Well the villains have three people who look good in bikinis, the good guys don't.
Post by: Karlito on June 21, 2012, 08:05:54 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 21, 2012, 08:06:49 pm
Haha, this is great.I just finished season 3, episode 4. Toph is my favorite. Also Itoh.That reminds me. (http://booter-freak.deviantart.com/art/Avatar-Discovers-Shipping-97993291)
Post by: Remalle on June 21, 2012, 08:10:29 pm
I just finished season 3, episode 4. Toph is my favorite. Also Itoh.Yeah, Iroh is the best character in any media ever (not hyperbole). His moment in Tales of Ba Sing Se and that one "Do you know why they called me the Dragon of the West?" moment were both amazing.
It's just too bad he never had GREAT FLAMING EYEBROWS. Just imagine...
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2012, 08:13:34 pm
It's even better because, at the start of the series, you think he's going to be one of those generic mentor guys that dies or turns evil. Nope. He just becomes progressively more badass and laid back.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 21, 2012, 08:23:51 pm
Post by: Josephus on June 21, 2012, 08:26:37 pm
Ah yes, the Beach Episode. Only it's the villains at the beach. And they torch a guy's house for fun. And we're supposed to sympathize with them. And it still works, somehow.Well the villains have three people who look good in bikinis, the good guys don't.
Azula is fourteen, sir.
/InternetPolice
Post by: Karlito on June 21, 2012, 08:30:46 pm
Okay, season 3 is just getting sort of tedious at this point. It's become "let's aimlessly wander around in the fire kingdom with some filler episodes". I just finished episode 7 and it looks like it's going to take until episode 10 for the plot to get going for real again.
Episode 8 had some interesting world building, but nine is kind of tedious, yeah.
Post by: IronyOwl on June 21, 2012, 08:31:27 pm
Azula is fourteen, sir.What, seriously? Goddamn, sequel series should have been about her fucking shit up when she got a bit older.
/InternetPolice
And yes I know that would have just been terrible because sequel, but still. :I
Post by: Josephus on June 21, 2012, 08:36:22 pm
Azula is fourteen, sir.What, seriously? Goddamn, sequel series should have been about her fucking shit up when she got a bit older.
/InternetPolice
Yeah, that's why one of my favorite parts of the show is the dynamic between her and Zuko. He's older, but she's every bit the big sister until he does his epiphany thing.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2012, 10:34:48 pm
1) You may read that someone will get shot in the show.
2) You may come across an obvious Very Special Episode about guns.
3) You may see a gargoyle playing with a gun in an irresponsible manner around a character you like.
4) You may pause the video at this point.
5) You may not be able to continue.
This sounds specific but I assure you it has happened before. In recent memory, too.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 21, 2012, 10:49:19 pm
Post by: Pnx on June 21, 2012, 11:07:13 pm
Azula is fourteen, sir.You'd prefer I remarked that 12 year old Aang looked good in a bikini?
/InternetPolice
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2012, 11:11:39 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 21, 2012, 11:15:54 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on June 21, 2012, 11:25:52 pm
Well, waterbending just got a bit more sinister.Took me a moment to figure out what you were talking about.
Spoiler: Then I remembered (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2012, 11:26:13 pm
And that's part of the reason Waterbending is the most overpowered. If you can rip the water out of a tree, I'm pretty sure you can rip the water out of... you know. Anything. Blood bending isn't half of it.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 21, 2012, 11:39:17 pm
edit: well fuck, episode 10 is a two parter. serious business incoming.
edit 2: zuko is the high king of getting manipulated
Spoiler: edit 3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: edit 4 (click to show/hide)
edit 6: HOLY FUCK THE SEASON FINALE IS A QUADRUPLE LENGTH EPISODE?
edit 7: please don't tell me this is just going to be an hour of aangst
Post by: IronyOwl on June 22, 2012, 04:59:51 am
Spoiler: edit 3 (click to show/hide)
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Post by: penguinofhonor on June 22, 2012, 05:56:53 am
Ah, it'll be just like Homestuck.
Post by: Zangi on June 22, 2012, 10:13:17 am
Anybody remember Pirates of Darkwater? That was probably one of my first experiences with network execs killing something and me left going, "But...but...WHYYYY???" :'(I think I remember this show... it was pretty cool and one day... it just poofed. Too young to really remember much else about it.
You had a genuinely bizarre world, strong mystic female character without her necessarily being an Action Babe, rough-and-tumble good guys with questionable loyalties, a talking buttmonkey greedy sidekick who was actually useful as opposed to being a Snarf, ships made out of living creatures called Leviathans, and...
...holy crap. It was like proto-Farscape. :D
Ah yes, avatar... pretty refreshing show of western origin...
Post by: Remalle on June 22, 2012, 11:38:48 am
Aaaaand we're done. Now I can board the Korra train and discuss stupid shipping stuff with everyone else in the fandom.Welcome, brother!
Ah, it'll be just like Homestuck.
(Zutara ftw)
Post by: kaijyuu on June 22, 2012, 01:41:51 pm
Post by: Zangi on June 22, 2012, 02:38:38 pm
And yes, Toph is best bender.
Post by: Scelly9 on June 22, 2012, 02:40:02 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on June 22, 2012, 02:50:04 pm
Pfft. You mean you don't like characters getting all smoochie smoochie in the most contrived of ways?AvatarAny shipping... yea... not a fan of that...
To be fair, I felt the canon ship of Aang/Katara was pretty damn forced. Even ignoring their ages, I just don't get any romantic vibes from the pairing. It's good that it wasn't a huge deal within the show proper, else it certainly would've developed into a romance plot tumor.
EDIT: Thinking about it, if I were to follow any ship, it'd probably be Zuko/Azula. Yes, really. Their relationship is already all sorts of fucked up, making it romantic would add even more delicious layers of dysfunction. They already act like a couple half the time anyway, sheesh.
I dunno why I like messed up abusive relationships, since I sure as hell despise them in real life. But I just couldn't get enough of Joker/Harley in BTAS. This would be even worse.
I may secretly be evil.
Post by: Josephus on June 22, 2012, 03:01:23 pm
To be fair, I felt the canon ship of Aang/Katara was pretty damn forced.
Really? I thought it was inevitable. Not that it seemed natural in any way (granted I haven't been 14 for almost a decade now) but rather that narrative causality required Aang and Katara to get together.
The formula was simple, especially in Avatar which had very clearly defined narrative roles in some parts.
Aang = Hero
Katara = The Girl
Narrative Causality = Hero and The Girl hook up, simply by virtue of the narrative roles they occupy
Post by: kaijyuu on June 22, 2012, 03:07:58 pm
It would've been fine I think as a precocious crush (aang is several years younger, after all), but real romance doesn't seem to fit.
Post by: Neonivek on June 22, 2012, 03:11:00 pm
Yeah that's probably why it felt forced to me. "Because the regular method of telling this sort of story says so" is never a good reason to do something.
It would've been fine I think as a precocious crush (aang is several years younger, after all), but real romance doesn't seem to fit.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thank goodness he found the cosmic get out of jail free card.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 22, 2012, 03:16:05 pm
My biggest beef with the show is definitely that Aang manages to get out of every big sacrifice he doesn't want to make. Considering huge parts of his motivation were "I didn't want to be the avatar so I ran away instead of making the sacrifices I need to and that was immature" it was a little disappointing that he just found his way around everything he didn't want to do.
I mean I guess solving problems is better than running away from them, but I liked the whole "You're the avatar. You're going to have to do things you don't want for the good of the world." thing that they had going.
Post by: Putnam on June 22, 2012, 03:19:57 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 22, 2012, 03:21:23 pm
I don't think he was giving up his love, he just had to realize it was less important than the rest of the world.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Scelly9 on June 22, 2012, 03:23:19 pm
This is interesting. (http://www.adultswim.com/promos/valve/)This may be the most awesome thing ever. On the other hand, it might just bomb too.
Post by: Josephus on June 22, 2012, 03:25:01 pm
I don't think he was giving up his love, he just had to realize it was less important than the rest of the world.No it was specifically that. If you understand the process he was going through he had to give up all attachments and love is one of them.
Surrendering attachments =/= surrendering love. Avatar's mysticism is mostly based on a kind of pseudo-Dharmic blend of various traditions, and in at least one of those traditions "attachment" simply refers to one's ties to the world - your possessions, etcetera. In being told to give up Katara, Aang would have become free to love her.
Either that or Bryke don't understand the material that inspired them.
Post by: Neonivek on June 22, 2012, 03:28:03 pm
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In being told to give up Katara, Aang would have become free to love her.
Sure but they would never get together because that in it of itself would be a desire.
He doesn't have to drop the emotion of love but he has to give up the act of love. Essentially giving up his love. Or else it wouldn't be a sacrifice.
Post by: Josephus on June 22, 2012, 03:29:30 pm
He doesn't have to drop the emotion of love but he has to give up the act of love.
What? No, celibacy is a totally different principle from attachmentlessness.
Post by: Neonivek on June 22, 2012, 03:30:05 pm
He doesn't have to drop the emotion of love but he has to give up the act of love.
What? No, celibacy is a totally different principle from attachmentlessness.
I never said anything about sex.
Mind you it is one of the reasons why the Avatars tended (and by that I mean we never hear otherwise) never to actually have children. Lucky for us Aang suffered Karmic destroying injuries. (DANG did I hate the ending...)
Post by: kaijyuu on June 22, 2012, 03:31:31 pm
Spoiler: avatar ending (click to show/hide)
Post by: Josephus on June 22, 2012, 03:32:43 pm
I never said anything about sex.
You said 'the act of love'. It really depends on whether you consider love an emotion or state(as in the Dharmic tradition), or a process (as in the Catholic tradition).
Post by: Zangi on June 22, 2012, 03:33:35 pm
Yea, I'm also not big on the smoochie smoochie. >.>Pfft. You mean you don't like characters getting all smoochie smoochie in the most contrived of ways?AvatarAny shipping... yea... not a fan of that...
Considering it, I had the vibe that Katara was more of a mother figure then girl, the way she acted with Aang.... maybe that was me. Aang of course ended up pining for her...To be fair, I felt the canon ship of Aang/Katara was pretty damn forced.
Really? I thought it was inevitable. Not that it seemed natural in any way (granted I haven't been 14 for almost a decade now) but rather that narrative causality required Aang and Katara to get together.
The formula was simple, especially in Avatar which had very clearly defined narrative roles in some parts.
Aang = Hero
Katara = The Girl
Narrative Causality = Hero and The Girl hook up, simply by virtue of the narrative roles they occupy
Fake Edit: Damn you all for posting so much. *shakes fist*
Post by: Neonivek on June 22, 2012, 03:34:46 pm
I never said anything about sex.
You said 'the act of love'. It really depends on whether you consider love an emotion or state(as in the Dharmic tradition), or a process (as in the Catholic tradition).
I am seperating the emotion from the act of enacting the emotion.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 22, 2012, 03:47:16 pm
Post by: Remalle on June 22, 2012, 04:04:48 pm
Korra episode 1 is done. Creepy mask guy is creepy.Awesome metalbenders are awesome.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 22, 2012, 04:42:03 pm
Post by: Furtuka on June 22, 2012, 04:44:17 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on June 22, 2012, 04:55:13 pm
Post by: Remalle on June 22, 2012, 05:03:42 pm
Post by: Furtuka on June 22, 2012, 05:08:26 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 22, 2012, 05:10:20 pm
I see what you did there
Yep... he forgot they already named the 5th element in Avatar...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 22, 2012, 05:10:26 pm
edit: What. No. if this angsty douchebag is Korra's main love interest I will be very disappointed.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 22, 2012, 06:11:46 pm
Close enough. Which brings the ultimate question:I see what you did there
Yep... he forgot they already named the 5th element in Avatar...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Avatar vs Captain Planet. Who'd win?
Post by: Josephus on June 22, 2012, 06:13:34 pm
The guy has an allergic reaction to the very thing he's supposed to be fighting. The moment a plume of smoke hits him he's gonna fall to the ground and start twitching like a bugsprayed fly.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 22, 2012, 06:16:49 pm
Gimme a deconstruction of Captain Planet and his powers, and he'd probably be able to take on any Avatar. Depends who has greater control of the elements.
Post by: Backlog on June 22, 2012, 10:10:23 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2012, 01:21:23 am
The Cap gets a bad rap, but that's due to the writing of the show he was in. It's like Aquaman; quite badass with useful powers, but in the wrong hands the character just feels contrived and stupid.
Gimme a deconstruction of Captain Planet and his powers, and he'd probably be able to take on any Avatar. Depends who has greater control of the elements.
Well let me see...
Captain Planet has domain over the five elements of: Earth, Water, Wind, Fire, and Heart that have been combined together and multiplied.
Along with this Captain Planet has super strength capable of lifting hundreds of tons, infallible aim, super endurance, and super durability (he once broke a drilling machine with his body). He can also fly at subsonic speeds (or super sonic if he transforms into electricity) though an arguement can easily be made that he can move at super sonic speeds and ultrasonic speeds when he turns into electricity.
Captain Planet is empowered by the elements including can be empowered by the sun.
Along with this Captain Planet can control every element, creating and moving it about along with being able to commune with animals. He can transform into fire, lava, electricity, trees, and wind to create tornados. He cannot use his element control on manmade substances or substances that have been poluted.
His weakness is to manmade polution but the major materials that harm him is oil and industrial waste, and the polution that harms him the least is raw garbage, for the most part the more toxic the substance is for humans and animals the more toxic it is for him (for example the industrial waste I refered to would instantly mutate or kill a person). He has been shown surviving in mildly poluted environments (smog) and radioactivity. He is completely unaffected by heat as he is more then capable of surviving in the earth's mantle.
You are also right Captain planet as the show went on was terribly weak to standing perfectly still and letting the enemies get polution on him... but in early episodes he was often shown capable of defeating a monster completely made of SUPER polution (admittingly he couldn't touch it normally but neither could we) and surviving in a smog filled environment without serious weakness... where the villains had to try hard to surprise Captain planet. The WORST stupid excuse for Captain Planet to lose was when he turned into a tree to stop a super threshing machine, even as a child I thought that was weird.
Either way I know Captain planet would beat Korra... Where is this mound of toxic waste Korra can burn?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2012, 01:48:45 am
(Cartoon thread is officially about "who would win" scenarios. And complaining about shipping, on the side.)
Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2012, 01:58:36 am
Hrm, another question: If Captain Planet is made of the elements... can he be bent? An avatar could literally rip him apart if so.
(Cartoon thread is officially about "who would win" scenarios. And complaining about shipping, on the side.)
I asked that earlier but truthfully I don't know. Though if I remember correctly materials that arn't pure of element have trouble being bent and since Captain Planet is all the elements he probably could "out bend them".
Though I guess since I have to take this seriously... Captain Planet's body is probably composed of special crystal unless he choses to transform it. In fact he sleeps in crystals whenever he dies or goes back to the rings.
Post by: Remalle on June 23, 2012, 02:23:58 am
... Cartoon thread is officially about "who would win" scenarios ...Hmm. Samurai Jack vs. Batman! Team Avatar vs. the Justice League! Korra vs. Captain Planet! The KND vs. Mystery Inc.! Jimmy Neutron vs. Pinky and the Brain! Planet Express crew vs. the Simpsons!
Yeah, I kind of ran out of ideas at the end there. PLACE YOUR BETS!
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2012, 02:45:52 am
Samurai Jack vs. Batman!Does Jack have a compunction against killing? Because Batman always loses the first fight, so Jack would win if he killed Batman there, but Batman would win round 2.
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Team Avatar vs. the Justice League!Justice League, no contest. Aang might be a good match for Superman in the Avatar state, but the others would get wtfpwned by the rest of the Justice League.
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Korra vs. Captain Planet!Captain Planet, barring stupid actions on the Captain's part.
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The KND vs. Mystery Inc.!Hrm... Probably Kids Next Door. Haven't seen their cartoon but I imagine they're more competent.
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Jimmy Neutron vs. Pinky and the Brain!Jimmy Neutron. Pinky would screw up Brain's plan somehow.
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Planet Express crew vs. the Simpsons!Neither. They'd both fail, somehow.
Wait shouldn't I be discouraging ridiculous tangents? Meh.
Post by: Frumple on June 23, 2012, 05:11:15 am
Bman might be able to poison Jack's tea, though! Except I'm pretty sure Aku's goons tried that :-\
Re: Aang versus superman... technically, Supes could just go kinetic kill vehicle on the glowy midget from out near mars or somethin'. Not sure what the avatar state could do against a swarm of hunks of metal traveling a significant fraction of c being launched from a couple of AU away. Mind you, the planet itself probably wouldn't come out too well in that exchange either, but meh. Barring that, Supes has that whole "nearly as fast as flash" thing, which would probably be enough in itself.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2012, 05:18:20 am
This is, of course, the STAS and Justice League Superman, not the comic book one which is much more powerful.
If anyone wants to talk about something more serious, feel free to pipe up. :P
Post by: Furtuka on June 23, 2012, 10:13:37 am
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Post by: jaxy15 on June 23, 2012, 11:10:43 am
Post by: Mistercheif on June 23, 2012, 11:17:24 am
I just finished watching the LoK finale. It was wonderful.Seconded! Honestly, that has had the most reveals that surprised me. I did not see so much of that coming.
I'll have to watch it again later today as well! Yay for DVR (provided my sister doesn't delete it to make room for another few dozen hours of cooking shows and soap operas she'll never watch. >.<)
Post by: Yoink on June 23, 2012, 11:22:07 am
The show Ed, Edd and Eddy shaped who I am today. :P Whether that's good or bad I've no idea, but Eddy's the only role model I've ever needed.
Post by: Josephus on June 23, 2012, 12:57:56 pm
Superman's got a semi-well known weakness against magic. When they're not ignoring it, Supes is supposed to be hurt by magic just as much as any human would be. I'd count bending as magic, so some well timed rocks and fireballs to the face would do some decent damage.
They won't, though. The problem with Supes' "semi-well known weakness against magic" is that a lot of people don't know how it actually works (Kurt Busiek explained it once).
Superman has no special protection against magic. This means that enchantments and spells meant to produce a certain effect can harm him. Take the example of Mjolnir, Thor's Hammer, and Wonder Woman's sword. Both weapons have been used on Superman, but only one actually managed to make him bleed. Both are magic. The difference is in the specific enchantment.
Wonder Woman's sword is enchanted to be able to cut anything in existence. It's not this way because it's super sharp, it's that way because its particular magic says so. Thor's Mjolnir, on the other hand, is much more magical - he can use it to channel radiation, call lightning, or just whack things. But it doesn't have any particular enchantment on it that would allow it to hurt Superman - and thus it doesn't hurt him in any particular way. The reason Supes gets hurt when he gets hit by Mjolnir isn't due to Mjolnir being magical, it's due to Thor being Thor.
If you've ever played DnD, Superman essentially has a tremendous amount of AC (armor) and HP (hit points), but no innate SR (spell resistance).
Things that are bent don't become magical just by being bent. A rock thrown at Superman by an Earthbender would just be a rock - no particular magic in it. Of the Avatars we've been shown, I think that Kyoshi would stand a chance against STAS Superman (or any of the Avatars in the Avatar state), but not because of magic rocks - rather, because she's really strong. Island-splitting strong.
Post by: Remalle on June 23, 2012, 03:24:36 pm
Post by: Josephus on June 23, 2012, 03:30:38 pm
EDIT: Also good lord this proposed match up is teenagers against adults who've had years using their powers, with at least one who doesn't have the same inhibitions against killing as the others (Wonder Woman, possibly Hawkgirl). Even if they were on the same power tier, this isn't remotely a fair fight - though the kids in Avatar have trumped adults in their own series.
Post by: Sergius on June 23, 2012, 04:08:38 pm
Superman's got a semi-well known weakness against magic. When they're not ignoring it, Supes is supposed to be hurt by magic just as much as any human would be. I'd count bending as magic, so some well timed rocks and fireballs to the face would do some decent damage. Hell, bloodbend him, then you'd have to get Wonder Woman or someone to slow him down.
Not defending Superman's already overpowerdness (blech) but he's probably hurt by direct magic application (magic "lightning" bolts, curses, etc), not magic that launches non magical things at him. Fireballs are probably ok, rocks are iffy. I guess it depends if the thing was conjured out of nothing, or merely moved, like the flame of a bonfire or lighter a la Pyro.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 23, 2012, 04:26:39 pm
i need to catch up fast
Post by: Josephus on June 23, 2012, 04:34:40 pm
Not defending Superman's already overpowerdness (blech)
This is tangential, but sure, Superman is overpowered... if you compare him to someone like Daredevil. Aside from comparing him to people who don't even interact on the same level as him and his buddies, he's not even the most powerful hero on the Justice League (that honor would go to the Barry Allen Flash or the Martian Manhunter). When it comes to non-earth based heroes, he can be overshadowed by the likes of the Sodam Yat Ion or the New Gods. And then you've got the score or so of villains that are the Ivan Drago to his Rocky Balboa.
And on the Marvel side you've got people that put Supes' 'overpoweredness' to shame - the Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richards, the Hulk, and Magneto are all roughly on the same level as the Flash in terms of exactly how easily they can make reality their bitch.
tl;dr, superhero universes are just overpowered in general.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2012, 06:03:56 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2012, 07:38:58 pm
Yeah, power levels got a bit absurd in comicbooks and superhero stories, but same goes for most power fantasy media. How many planets could Goku blow up at once? :P
I don't know... The Avatar is so unstoppable that any "enlightened" avatar is basically unbeatable.
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Post by: Josephus on June 23, 2012, 09:18:19 pm
I don't know... The Avatar is so unstoppable that any "enlightened" avatar is basically unbeatable.
In the context of the Avatar series, yes.
Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2012, 09:39:30 pm
I don't know... The Avatar is so unstoppable that any "enlightened" avatar is basically unbeatable.
In the context of the Avatar series, yes.
Well.. of course.
It was one of the things that disapointed me really. I expected someone to find some way to stand up to the Avatar... but they are basically onto a god.
Post by: Remalle on June 23, 2012, 09:50:08 pm
Well yeah, that's exactly what the Avatar is. Hence the name. If I recall correctly, they're the avatar of the spirit of the planet.I don't know... The Avatar is so unstoppable that any "enlightened" avatar is basically unbeatable.
In the context of the Avatar series, yes.
Well.. of course.
It was one of the things that disapointed me really. I expected someone to find some way to stand up to the Avatar... but they are basically onto a god.
Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2012, 09:55:01 pm
In fact though I am probably wrong... I think the Avatar state doesn't give him any extra powers at all... it just allows him to access the collective skills from all the previous avatars.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 23, 2012, 09:55:32 pm
How is there supposed to even be a second season? They just tied up all the loose plot points really well. Any gripes I had with it so far were pretty much resolved.
Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2012, 09:57:12 pm
Just finished Korra.
How is there supposed to even be a second season? They just tied up all the loose plot points really well. Any gripes I had with it so far were pretty much resolved.
Well what about the fact that there are no air benders anymore? or did they resolve that?
(Note that the show isn't EXACTLY sure if Bending is a skill or Talent... It seems to be both. In theory there could be more air benders)
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 23, 2012, 09:59:58 pm
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Post by: IronyOwl on June 23, 2012, 10:02:05 pm
It was one of the things that disapointed me really. I expected someone to find some way to stand up to the Avatar... but they are basically onto a god.
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Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2012, 10:20:40 pm
Post by: Karlito on June 23, 2012, 10:57:30 pm
How is there supposed to even be a second season? They just tied up all the loose plot points really well. Any gripes I had with it so far were pretty much resolved.
Well, they originally only planned for one season, so it makes sense that it could stand on it's own. I imagine they'll have to introduce a new nemesis for season two.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 23, 2012, 11:09:33 pm
Post by: Furtuka on June 23, 2012, 11:10:27 pm
Just one 12-episode season? I thought it was originally a longer season and they just ended up having to split it in two.
Nope. It was originally suppose to be a miniseries
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2012, 11:44:34 pm
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Post by: Karlito on June 24, 2012, 12:32:31 am
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I believe there is a nonbending member on the City Council for what it's worth, but yeah at episode three I was right there with you. When you see more of Amon's methods, you might start to feel differently.
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Post by: kaijyuu on June 24, 2012, 01:05:21 am
Why is Avatar so terrible with canon ships? I mean, I don't mind Zuko-clone-with-a-scarf, but the fun nice guy is so much better. Big Strong Girl has to be paired with Big Strong Man, I guess...
(If it's not apparent yet I'm terrible at remembering names. I only know Korra's name since it is in the title. It wasn't until well after I'd finished the first series that I could connect character names with character faces with any regularity. Pretty much the same for me with people in real life, too. So, apologies in advance that I'm referring to people by visual and personality cues.)
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 24, 2012, 01:44:44 am
You don't go up to a violinist and say "You have a talent few others have and this isn't fair," and then cut his hands off, do you? Yeah, the benders are douchebags sometimes, and maybe his ideals are good in theory, but not a single one of his methods is.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 24, 2012, 01:52:41 am
It's not skill, talent, what have you, but power. If you have power or privilege, you use it responsibly or it gets taken away. There is no force keeping benders in check save other benders (and the Avatar), which leads to a Who Watches the Watchers scenario. And given the setting (rampant gangs, economic inequality, corrupt politicians, all with a significant bent in favor of benders), I think there's a good case for power being used irresponsibly. So excuse me if I sympathize with the proletariat-stand-in revolutionary. :P
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 24, 2012, 02:04:04 am
Post by: Pnx on June 24, 2012, 02:41:47 am
There's a question that's been bugging me since before I learnt about the legend of Korra. We know that the world of Avatar has reincarnation, there's only ever one Avatar because the Avatar's powers are connected to their soul, and that soul has to leave the world before it can re-enter it, but does this apply for everyone else too? If you're born a muggle, are you forever doomed to reincarnate as a muggle? It's kind of grim prospect you have to admit.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 24, 2012, 07:07:57 am
A revolutionary whose ideals would result in the crippling of countless innocent people?Crippling? Crippling? Did you seriously just call 3/4 of Avatar's universe crippled? (actually I'm guessing on the percentage of benders to non-benders but you get the idea)
No, the dude's sin was a little thing called the Associative Fallacy. He lashed out against not only the bad guys (like the gang leaders/etc), but innocent ones as well. He lumped everyone in an arbitrary group (benders) as Evil (tm). It's the same as any form of prejudice, be it racism, classism, agism, sexism, or what-have-you. Some people he hit deserved it (gang leaders), some didn't at all, others could've use a friggin' time out. He didn't differentiate and instead treated everyone as if they deserved it. Spoilers henceforth:
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There's a question that's been bugging me since before I learnt about the legend of Korra. We know that the world of Avatar has reincarnation, there's only ever one Avatar because the Avatar's powers are connected to their soul, and that soul has to leave the world before it can re-enter it, but does this apply for everyone else too? If you're born a muggle, are you forever doomed to reincarnate as a muggle? It's kind of grim prospect you have to admit.My theory is that they all get reincarnated much the same as the Avatar does (new lives with completely different personalities, may as well be entirely different people, but are connected somehow). I dunno if bending follows the reincarnation cycle but is probably affected somehow. It's not like all the airbenders of the world are stuck in limbo until that tribe gets repopulated... I hope :X
Post by: Exerosp on June 24, 2012, 09:53:30 am
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Post by: Zangi on June 24, 2012, 12:48:41 pm
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Post by: Josephus on June 24, 2012, 02:09:37 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 24, 2012, 03:43:12 pm
A revolutionary whose ideals would result in the crippling of countless innocent people?Crippling? Crippling? Did you seriously just call 3/4 of Avatar's universe crippled? (actually I'm guessing on the percentage of benders to non-benders but you get the idea)
If someone's got a talent that you don't have, taking away that talent... well, it might not be crippling since there's no real analogue to it in the real world, but it feels the same. If Superman gets exposed to some kryptonite nobody goes "Yeah, Superman, now you have to fight Lex Luthor like the rest of us would!" It's tragic.
Post by: Hawkfrost on June 25, 2012, 01:04:28 am
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Now, the question is if I should start watching Korra or just wait for it to finish first.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 25, 2012, 01:25:34 am
Post by: jaxy15 on June 25, 2012, 01:29:18 am
Well the current season is finished, so it's a good time to catch up.I watched 9 episodes 2 days before the tenth one.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 25, 2012, 01:43:36 am
But hey, if you want a more relaxed schedule than that then it's a great time for it!
Post by: Remalle on June 25, 2012, 01:49:27 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 25, 2012, 01:53:43 am
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Post by: kaijyuu on June 25, 2012, 02:16:04 am
Post by: jaxy15 on June 25, 2012, 02:57:37 am
And the next Avatar they do find? He's a robot! Isn't that wacky?It explodes after it tries to waterbend, and there's ANOTHER Avatar. The new Avatar is a 400 foot tall purple platypus bear with pink horns and silver wings.
Post by: Putnam on June 25, 2012, 02:58:46 am
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Post by: IronyOwl on June 25, 2012, 05:13:49 pm
Needless to say he then becomes the God-King of the world. It's not exactly pleasant, but everyone's new overlord is a 400 ft purple platypus bear with pink horns and silver wings, so it's still a really happy ending.And the next Avatar they do find? He's a robot! Isn't that wacky?It explodes after it tries to waterbend, and there's ANOTHER Avatar. The new Avatar is a 400 foot tall purple platypus bear with pink horns and silver wings.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 26, 2012, 12:59:20 am
Didn't even notice the new voice actor for season 3, so kudos to the new guy who voiced Iroh, I guess.
Post by: Remalle on June 26, 2012, 02:31:05 am
So I learned what "dedicated to Mako" meant in this episode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6a5OHvhQTs) Well that makes the most heartwrenching scene in the entire series even worse... better... whatever. :'(Strangely enough I was thinking about that exact same scene earlier this morning. 'Tis indeed a massive tearjerker in and out of universe.
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Didn't even notice the new voice actor for season 3, so kudos to the new guy who voiced Iroh, I guess.Yeah, the new guy was really good too. But it's probably not a coincidence that Iroh only got like half-a-dozen lines in the entire third season, though.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 26, 2012, 03:25:41 am
Holy shit do I regret that decision. 8 episodes in and it is by far, the best. Very, very good portrayal of someone making a huge mistake and getting very, very upset about it. Almost feel sorry for the arms dealer bad guys, heh.
On to more! It's not the most awesome cartoon ever, but definitely Good. Let's see if it graduates to Great or maybe Awesome.
Post by: Neonivek on June 26, 2012, 02:53:45 pm
Captain Planet also has special episodes and they are so bad they loop into awsome.
Post by: Remalle on June 26, 2012, 05:22:40 pm
Post by: Zangi on June 26, 2012, 08:42:47 pm
Was unable to watch Korra so continued with Samurai Jack. FREE
What? There are places you can watch Korra, for free.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 26, 2012, 08:44:53 pm
http://www.gogoanime.com/category/avatar-the-legend-of-korra (http://www.gogoanime.com/category/avatar-the-legend-of-korra)
'Tis where I saw them. Nick has the best quality but they don't have the finale up yet.
Post by: Neonivek on June 26, 2012, 08:46:00 pm
Wheeler is the brash and hot headed member of Captain Planet. The fact that he is American and has the fire ring are no small coincidence. Fire is a powerful ability but has the most ability to harm another and backlash as well, a symbol of the US's ability and how they should handle their great power.
As well Wheeler is supposed to be the character meant to be the everyman and to ask all the questions we may have. In a bad episode wheeler seems stupid and often abusive to the other members of his team, he can be quite a bully. In a good episode Wheeler is quick thinking and is great with dealing with problems involving people, for example he was the only member to know how to trick people into fastening ropes too lightly and if the team needs to pick a lock he is the one to do so.
Though the thing to remember is that each member of Gaia's team is there for a reason. Wheeler's ability that no other member has is that he has the ability to connect with people. While one could argue that Ma-Ti being heart also has the ability, his is more accurately that he has the ability to melt any heart with his kindness. Wheeler however is the only member with the empathy and blunt honesty, he rarely holds back his oppinion, to connect with those around him, as well he is the closest member to being a real person as all the members are too dutyful or too good-hearted to really understand. As well the other members of the team automatically know what is right but wheeler is the only one who has to learn the significance, he would be the only one who would be able to explain why something is significant to people who don't already know.
In essence Wheeler is the second heart of the team. In a episode where wheeler never joined the team the other members simply didn't have the heart to join together.
Post by: Remalle on June 26, 2012, 08:54:39 pm
Sorry, quoting the show. I watched the episode with the volcano, and the Norse guy who got turned into a rock monster.Was unable to watch Korra so continued with Samurai Jack. FREE
What? There are places you can watch Korra, for free.
Post by: Backlog on June 26, 2012, 10:31:06 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 26, 2012, 10:36:31 pm
Is it just me or is korra looking like a complete idiot by running back to the guy who trampled on her heart and never actually broke up with his girlfriend?
Let me get out my stupid-o-meter.... I am not picking anything up. It is probably because she is so charmed by how much of a jerk he is.
Don't feel bad... In order to get on the stupid-o-meter you have to do something like... Find out someone has taken over your environmental protection buisness and is using it to strip mine and decide to confront him dirrectly and not call the police and even mention how you should call the police.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 26, 2012, 10:37:03 pm
Post by: Zangi on June 26, 2012, 10:38:28 pm
Is it just me or is korra looking like a complete idiot by running back to the guy who trampled on her heart and never actually broke up with his girlfriend?I'm just going to say that the whole romance thing was horribly done, from beginning to end, but that is my opinion of the manner. It was also never 'resolved' at the finale... considering things... but that may be what you are referring to.
Ninjas
Post by: Neonivek on June 26, 2012, 10:38:49 pm
No, it's not just you. The whole relationship subplot thing is pretty dumb. Even Penny Arcade mocked how shallow and stupid it is. (http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/06/25)
Yes but you see it is smarter then it looks because it is going back to the first Avatar and how dumb that romantic subplot was. Now all they need to do is add in a romantic subplot that makes MORE sense and ruin it with a cheap plot twist that makes little sense in order to restore the first one.
How come Sokka gets the best romantic subplots in ALL avatar?
Post by: Backlog on June 26, 2012, 11:00:10 pm
Because Sokka is a badass who had a girlfriend that turned into the moon?
How come Sokka gets the best romantic subplots in ALL avatar?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 26, 2012, 11:06:59 pm
And Bolin definitely was the superior choice. But nooooo, the fun guy has to be shoved aside for the Tall Dark and Mysterious guy.
Post by: Frumple on June 26, 2012, 11:11:59 pm
Someone photoshop a stalinstach on that guy, stat. It is a thing that needs doing.
Anyway, re: romance subplot, my advice would be to completely ignore all canon relationships and come up with some sort of freakish... thing. With the thing. Korra's obvs just using the two wazzits as temporary meat popsicles while she seduces every female in the elemental countries. After finding out about her sordid plot, said popsicles will turn to the arms of each other to find solice and, dare I say? Love.
This is now canon, and better for it. Can't see the subtext in the show?
Also TophxmoonchickxAppa. OT3.
Though... thinking on it, maybe not continue this line of thought. I'unno.
Post by: Backlog on June 26, 2012, 11:14:57 pm
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Post by: Zangi on June 26, 2012, 11:28:57 pm
So being the curious bastard I am, rolled up to watch the first episode and yea.... Only the Japanese could do this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbGQGwNgCL0&feature=player_detailpage#t=92s) My mind is WTF right now.
Crime above all else though... the PPG has lost the... *zing* sound...
LoK: Seriously, they could have cut out all romance and it would have been better for it.
Post by: Neonivek on June 26, 2012, 11:30:35 pm
Here is something you will find interesting... Powerpuff girls Z takes place in the Powerpuff girls universe.
Still sad Mojo Jojo's speaking tone couldn't be translated (I heard while it is possible to do it, it just isn't funny like it is in english)
Post by: kaijyuu on June 26, 2012, 11:35:17 pm
I'd ship KorraxAmon before that.Haha, that would never...
Wait.. hrm...
HRM.... :D
Post by: Frumple on June 26, 2012, 11:38:01 pm
Even better: Korra x Amon-ra, the Everliving.I'd ship KorraxAmon before that.Haha, that would never...
Wait.. hrm...
HRM.... :D
Post by: Neonivek on June 26, 2012, 11:38:59 pm
Post by: Pnx on June 26, 2012, 11:42:39 pm
I just saw a PowerPuff Girls Z clip with them transforming.... like Sailor Moon.They... apparently wear swimsuits under their clothes? I think this is making me uncomfortable.
So being the curious bastard I am, rolled up to watch the first episode and yea.... Only the Japanese could do this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbGQGwNgCL0&feature=player_detailpage#t=92s) My mind is WTF right now.
Post by: Frumple on June 26, 2012, 11:43:02 pm
Korra X AangAang... Aang... hrm. Aangband. Aang is now Morgoth. Discuss?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 26, 2012, 11:44:15 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 26, 2012, 11:44:44 pm
I just saw a PowerPuff Girls Z clip with them transforming.... like Sailor Moon.They... apparently wear swimsuits under their clothes? I think this is making me uncomfortable.
So being the curious bastard I am, rolled up to watch the first episode and yea.... Only the Japanese could do this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbGQGwNgCL0&feature=player_detailpage#t=92s) My mind is WTF right now.
They look like swimsuits but people who wear them call them leotards.
Post by: Frumple on June 26, 2012, 11:46:40 pm
E: That thing is incredibly <Japanese animation>. I'm amused it came from something as western as PPG was, heh.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 26, 2012, 11:48:06 pm
I'm assuming "powered buttercup" sounds more badass in japanese.
Post by: Neonivek on June 26, 2012, 11:49:28 pm
That anime looks hilarious for people who watched PPG.
I'm assuming "powered buttercup" sounds more badass in japanese.
I don't know... the Power Puff Girls were pretty awsome in general.
This one seems to use all the one time ideas the power puff girls had and just keeps using it (Like the Dynamo and Super Utonium)
Post by: Sirus on June 26, 2012, 11:50:37 pm
I still fondly remember some of the old Kid's WB shows like Superman. I think that was the first time I've seen a major character die on-screen.
Also, thanks for starting this thread kaijyuu, I don't know enough anime to post in the other thread :D
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 26, 2012, 11:50:44 pm
I don't know... the Power Puff Girls were pretty awsome in general.
I know, I watched it. And I could not stop grinning at this ridiculous take on my childhood memories. I assumed others would have a similar reaction.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 26, 2012, 11:54:50 pm
Did Teen Titans count as Western Animation?Of course.
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Also, thanks for starting this thread kaijyuu, I don't know enough anime to post in the other thread :DNp :)
Post by: Zangi on June 27, 2012, 12:01:41 am
KorraxTarrlockI'd ship KorraxAmon before that.Haha, that would never...
Wait.. hrm...
HRM.... :D
.... >.>
PPGZ gave my nostalgia a sucker punch and it is huddled in the corner now...I don't know... the Power Puff Girls were pretty awsome in general.
I know, I watched it. And I could not stop grinning at this ridiculous take on my childhood memories. I assumed others would have a similar reaction.
Yea, at episode 2, it seems like its going to be a cute-fest type anime... At least Miss Bellum is the same as always...
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 27, 2012, 12:02:50 am
Post by: Backlog on June 27, 2012, 12:09:59 am
KorraxNagaxpabu anyone?
Post by: Neonivek on June 27, 2012, 12:10:07 am
I'm not sure if I'd be able to take it seriously.
Your not supposed to... They stop for a icecream break during a fight.
I think they lost all credit for being serious.
Post by: Backlog on June 27, 2012, 01:16:36 am
Post by: kaijyuu on June 27, 2012, 01:17:36 am
Post by: Backlog on June 27, 2012, 01:24:05 am
And I was born about 10 years late for the show itself.
Post by: Neonivek on June 27, 2012, 01:26:52 am
You know, I never saw much of He-Man. It's one of those things I only know exists due to its memeticness (by the power of Greyskull!).
If you watch the new He-Man honestly one of the most awsome fights EVER happens at the first season finale. In fact it is SO awsome it makes the second terrible by comparison.
Honestly... I mean
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If you could only watch ONE episode... I'd make you watch that. MIND you it is cooler when you knew what happened before... but still.
Honestly if there is ONE thing Western animation does 100 times better then anime it is not using power ups or will beam battles to solve problems. Honestly when Western animation shells out the money to actually do a fight they tend to make Anime weep that they could be so creative. Sure it isn't as flashy but by goodness I am annoyed by every anime fight solved by "RANDOM POWER UP NO JUTSU!" or "I am angry therefor I win". Sure western animation may pull a "Now I am angry" but they tend to give you a bit more bang for it (like the character visually doing better).
The best comparison I guess would be the Justice League Unlimited battle between one super powered bruiser vs. All the Non-super powered heros (even if it ended badly) where they have to try their hardest just to combat that thing and actually do something. That would NEVER happen in anime period (I DENY IT!), even with the few exceptions floating in the air (dang it Hitman reborn your second season was my favorite).
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Post by: Neonivek on June 27, 2012, 02:02:39 am
Anyone watched Frisky Dingo? What did you think of that, one of my favorite Western animations I picked up this year.
Honestly I am actually not a fan of that style of comedy. It did get me to watch but never out of a lot of entertainment or because I thought it was particularly funny.
I guess because "Ohh my goodness they are having normal conversations even thought they are clearly super heros and villains" was never funny to me. which inappropriate conversations and sociopathy is about 90% of their jokes so as you can tell I was watching the show at 10% the funny.
Worse yet whenever I actually started to like the show and it got funny... It never went with it. The people who wrote the show loved all the parts I hated.
Post by: Sirus on June 27, 2012, 02:05:51 am
For instance, anyone remember the end of the Samurai Jack episode with the assassin-robots? The ones that looked kinda like wicker baskets when they weren't in "murder everything" mode? Now, Samurai Jack was an awesome series, but that was honestly a pretty terrible way to end the battle.
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Post by: Neonivek on June 27, 2012, 02:16:39 am
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I am shelfing the spoiled stuff since I am mostly refering to climaxes.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 27, 2012, 02:52:02 am
One of my complements to Justice League was how the heroes wore down during fights. Superman was flying about willy nilly at the start of every fight, but slowed down as he got beaten up. Fights ended in a variety of ways, not just "exchange blows until a revelation hits and the hero wins." The only fight I can remember where the heroes won due to sheer determination and willpower would be Flash vs Braniac (and that fight was awesome for reasons other than his willpower boost. He didn't say a word the entire time he was circling the globe, yet you knew exactly what he was thinking).
Man, I had forgotten how great a character Flash was in that series. Hidden depths indeed. EDIT: Oh hey, his best episode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5aC002fkhQ) is on youtube. In decent quality! Go watch it. Now. Even if it's just to see Batman get shown up at interrogation.
Post by: Neonivek on June 27, 2012, 03:27:11 am
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I've seen more fights than I can count where the hero takes hundreds of blows yet wins in the end with a single strike
That is due to the inverse law of injuries in anime. The most injured a character becomes the more powerful they are. (actually it was the inverse law of injuries in bleach)
Though once again I should state that I am NOT refering in anyway to characters gaining new abilities.
I am refering to basically... what Kaijyuu is refering to and "I am more powerful now"
Though yeah it is more that it is overused then it is all pervasive.
Just like continuity. both western and japanese shows have continuity. Just that one uses it way more then the other.
Post by: Aqizzar on June 27, 2012, 08:10:21 am
Man, I had forgotten how great a character Flash was in that series. Hidden depths indeed. EDIT: Oh hey, his best episode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5aC002fkhQ) is on youtube. In decent quality! Go watch it. Now. Even if it's just to see Batman get shown up at interrogation.
I don't have nearly enough time to be watching this right now, but I miss this show's moments.
Orion: You'll never see me at one of these museum openings.
Batman: staaare
Orion: It's not black tie is it?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 27, 2012, 03:44:57 pm
Yeah the writing was awesome.
Post by: Nadaka on June 27, 2012, 03:52:45 pm
Somehow they got the genocide of half the human race, showing the deaths of hundreds/thousands of pilots/ships crew, a suicidal admiral, and splattering a neosapien brain across a bulkhead from a bullet to the back of his head past the censors. And I think I am missing a few things.
The animation... has not aged well. Neither has the voice acting.
Post by: Neonivek on June 27, 2012, 04:00:23 pm
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Neither has the voice acting
Having never heard the voice acting you heard of I am guessing it is the same voice acting as in macross... I actually consider a different style of voice acting altogether which has certain advantages.
It actually is somewhat missed given that it is serious.
Post by: Sergius on June 27, 2012, 04:57:38 pm
It's not THAT good, but feels strangely retro.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 29, 2012, 10:05:41 am
At the start I didn't really like Demona. None of her actions really made sense to me; yeah she's in denial and all that, but her actions didn't always seem to line up with her stated goals.
Then came the City of Stone 4 parter. Okay, it makes sense now. I already knew she was blaming all her faults on other people, but now she's so far past the moral event horizon that if she stopped denying everything she's probably curl up into a ball of self loathing for a few centuries. Damn.
Post by: Remalle on June 29, 2012, 08:09:25 pm
Post by: Hawkfrost on June 29, 2012, 08:56:08 pm
All this talking about it from everyone is making my curiosity burn.
Post by: Neonivek on June 29, 2012, 10:23:52 pm
However in both cases the invaders in question were pathetic and I do not believe for a second that they would have taken the earth down.
In Chaotic there is the entire world of Chaotic and in Battleforce 5 there is the Vandals and the Robots (forgot their name).
Except there is a difference
In Chaotic they outright admitted that our technology and simple size, Chaotic is a much smaller and less populated world then ours, would have won out. In Battleforce 5 they still treat the Vandals as if they were in anyway a threat (with exception to ONE time stop device that I am sure would have ran out of energy).
What are the Vandals? Well they are Animalmen who drive open cockpit roadsters without any projectile weaponry. They lack super strength or speed. I wonder how our TANKS would deal with them. The Sarks are quite a bit more threatening but they are just cannon fodder robots. (There is a later enemy who is legitimately threatening however)
So here is the game!
Present the most pathetic invading force that a series actually expects you to take seriously inspite of the fact that we easily would have won.
Post by: IronyOwl on June 29, 2012, 10:42:48 pm
So here is the game!Is there a point to your obsession with overanalyzing bad things? Sometimes it seems like you're more interested in talking about how terrible things are than anything else.
Present the most pathetic invading force that a series actually expects you to take seriously inspite of the fact that we easily would have won.
Plus, bizarrely overspecific. How many terrible series featuring alien invasion do you think we've watched?
Post by: Neonivek on June 29, 2012, 10:52:03 pm
Heck sometimes it just spins out of something I say I DO like (For example when I complimented the Season 1 finale fight in the new He-Man... which is still amazing by the way)
Though mostly it is because if I like something there is no point in saying I like it because you only care if you seen it too (as well my tastes tend to be so odd that only I share my likes). If it is something I dislike the common elements are shared with everyone around me.
If my last post was "I saw the second season of Avengers and I have to say they really deal with every single complaint I've had about the first season, they actually put the character back into the show and it is just grand. It just makes every episode a blast to see" NO ONE WOULD CARE!
If I spoke about how the weak characterisation of the show in the first season detracted from the overall experience and that it didn't understand that action doesn't replace character. Everyone would have their own example of a show that really should have at one point dialed back the action and put a bit more human effort into it.
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How many terrible series featuring alien invasion do you think we've watched?
Well not all great series do no mistakes. As well let me see... How many terrible series featuring alien invasion do I think someone who seen 80s shows and seen 90s shows? A lot actually.
I mean... Lets just get into shows with alien invasion
-Lilo and Stitch (ignoring that I liked it)
-Biker Mice from Mars (both of them)
-The Mighty Ducks
-Darkwing Duck
-Aladin
-Timon and Pumba
-Space Chimp
-Super Monkey Force Five
-Battle Force five
-Chaotic
-Winx Club
-Futurama
-The Simpsons
-Family Guy
-Rugrats
-He-man (One version)
-Ben-Ten (Old and New)
-Fineas and Ferb (Yes I cannot spell one of the names)
-Justice League
-The New Adventures of Superman
-Spiderman (two of them)
-Teen Titans
Though it depends if we have to stay in animation. Afterall "Are you afraid of the dark" and "Goosebumps" both featured aliens. I could probably turn to my cartoon station and add to this out of the really bad show pile.
Post by: Frumple on June 29, 2012, 11:11:12 pm
In a more general sense, most alien invasions are handled pretty shittily... X-Com (and some fiction for it... offhand, I'd cite Chryssalid's Road to Cydonia.) is one of the better ones. Mostly what I'm vaguely meandering toward is that a full out invasion is almost always basically the worst and most moronic choice a species could decide to enact (Sun Tzu laughs 'is bloody arse off at a lot of writers :P). Infiltration, long-term social engineering, stuff like that... all much more effective with less effort. Even with emergency colonization scenarios, it'd be a lot better to bribe us with some shitty knockoff tech for rights to the poles or something, and then work from there. I can't really respect/fear a spacefaring race who's first major action is to show up over the white house or whatever and say surrender earthlings.
More or less, most alien species seem to be ridiculously inept. It's like... you put a human in command and next Tuesday these chuckleheads would have control of all seven continents, but these xeno idiots do stupid stupid things and end up taking two whole seasons or whatever just to get kicked off the planet. I mean... damn. Some day, someone's going to start a show in which the aliens are smart, and just kinetic kill vehicle everything worth mentioning. The show will last one or two episodes :P
E:Woah, buggery. List thing. What blazes, I've seen most of those and don't really recall the invasions as being particularly notable... maybe something that happened during them (Mighty Ducks, ferex), but the invasion itself was almost a... set piece, I guess? Weird.
E2: There's also pretty different sorts of invasions going on in that list... a lot you might not even be fair in calling an invasion at all. Interaction, definitely, but no conquer world/large chunk of geography going on, which is what I think when I think alien invasion. Damn, I wish I remembered that stuff well enough to comment more meaningfully on this subject.
Post by: Neonivek on June 29, 2012, 11:18:43 pm
For example in Aladin their alien invasion by the Etherials was a one episode thing about teaching you that it is the "People" that makes a civilisation great, not its accomplishments.
In some of the other shows it was just played for fun and the aliens didn't really do much.
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a lot you might not even be fair in calling an invasion at all
Not even going to pretend that I didn't stretched the definition to its dishonest most accurate form for some of these (uhhh... some... looking at my list there were some you may not remember)
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Interaction, definitely, but no conquer world/large chunk of geography going on, which is what I think when I think alien invasion
Ohh that is what you meant. Ehhh I'd think if aliens came down, demolished a city, and then left it would be a alien "Invasion" as in they "Invade".
Post by: RedWarrior0 on June 29, 2012, 11:40:07 pm
One thing I dislike is how un-special stuff like bloodbending and metalbending became. Oh, and the whole pure platinum can't be metalbent thing is just going to escalate when we get 'platinum benders' who can bend platinum and then 'uberplatinum' that can't be bent by them, and so on.
Post by: Neonivek on June 29, 2012, 11:42:02 pm
Though I doubt spirits, even though they could EASILY present themselves as villains, will even be seen in this show anymore.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 29, 2012, 11:46:23 pm
Mako is your typical Chick Action Girl. Only he's a guy. Reasons:
1) Largely irrelevant except as a love interest.
2) Token action scenes here and there to try to prove him as physically capable, but doesn't really accomplish anything.
3) Flat, one note characterization.
4) Serves as the main character's reward at the end of the series.
His main sin is he's never really developed much as a character. His backstory is just offhandedly mentioned (his parents are deeeead! (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4aoqbQ1Uy1rvvp3eo1_400.jpg)), violating "show, don't tell." From the beginning to the end, he never changes at all. All his big badass moments don't actually accomplish anything. He's just there. And that's it.
Re: Next season of Korra.
I'm hoping for more insight into the spirits. The steampunk setting doesn't really do it for me, so some added mysticism would be cool. Plus it's never really been expanded upon much.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 29, 2012, 11:56:45 pm
Random epiphany concerning Korra (or more specifically, Mako):
Mako is your typical Chick Action Girl. Only he's a guy. Reasons:
1) Largely irrelevant except as a love interest.
2) Token action scenes here and there to try to prove him as physically capable, but doesn't really accomplish anything.
3) Flat, one note characterization.
4) Serves as the main character's reward at the end of the series.
His main sin is he's never really developed much as a character. His backstory is just offhandedly mentioned (his parents are deeeead! (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4aoqbQ1Uy1rvvp3eo1_400.jpg)), violating "show, don't tell." From the beginning to the end, he never changes at all. All his big badass moments don't actually accomplish anything. He's just there. And that's it.
This makes too much sense. And it's more entertaining at how really angry people are over Mako being like this. "Yeah, of course you realize how bad it is once it happens to you!"
Post by: kaijyuu on July 01, 2012, 06:54:11 am
Some fun fridge logic: They did find some more female gargoyles, so the species isn't going to be extinct... but well, they'd be inbreeding. Bow chicka wow wow :P
Post by: Frumple on July 01, 2012, 08:45:39 am
I vaguely remember the wacky adventures pulling off some sorta' interesting world building, at least.
Post by: Neonivek on July 01, 2012, 02:45:51 pm
Ah man I hit a really bad string of Gargoyles episodes. I won't go into it much but due to some rather contrived story reasons 2 of the main cast are traveling around the world and having Wacky Adventures. Boring wacky adventures. This leaves many of my favorite characters (Hudson, Xanatos) out of the picture. Also there's a newly introduced and really dull tag-a-long gargoyle that's getting dull character development along the way. Also also I liked Goliath and Elise's relationship better when they were just friends instead of all this romantic subtext.
Some fun fridge logic: They did find some more female gargoyles, so the species isn't going to be extinct... but well, they'd be inbreeding. Bow chicka wow wow :P
Well there are a few good episodes of the Boring adventures of the magic Canoe
Also don't worry those boring tag along gargoyles get better.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 01, 2012, 05:28:14 pm
The point seems to be proving "all myths are true" in this universe. One episode in particular seemed dedicated to mocking a poor skepticist who happens to be in the wrong story; you can almost see his brain melting as he shot magic lightning bolts with a spear.
I sort of liked the one with Demona and Macbeth (puked in my mouth a bit when they kissed, heh), but the rest have been dull. I outright skipped the one with the loch ness monster.
And yeah I suppose the romantic subtext has always been there to some degree, but not this much. I suppose that's a credit to the writers for making it gradual, though. Still, were I a hardcore fan of this show I'd probably friendship them rather than romantic ship them.
Post by: Neonivek on July 01, 2012, 05:53:09 pm
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The point seems to be proving "all myths are true" in this universe.
Naw to me the point of the Magic Canoe is just to add a bunch of filler episodes that can happen anywhere in the world. The "good" episode I was refering to uses this fact quite well... unfortunately it isn't the last magic canoe episode.
I mean the show had filler before, but this is rather uninteresting filler for the most part... and the most interesting filler will never appear again.
Post by: Bauglir on July 01, 2012, 07:31:27 pm
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Post by: Remalle on July 01, 2012, 10:37:24 pm
Post by: Sirus on July 01, 2012, 10:40:03 pm
Dear god the everybody in the Avatar-verse embody so many Badass tropes it's amazing.Fixed that for ya.
Post by: Remalle on July 01, 2012, 10:41:46 pm
Well, this too, yeah.Dear god the everybody in the Avatar-verse embody so many Badass tropes it's amazing.Fixed that for ya.
Post by: quinnr on July 02, 2012, 01:04:22 am
Post by: Sirus on July 02, 2012, 01:13:52 am
And yeah, Samurai Jack was awesome.
Post by: quinnr on July 02, 2012, 01:16:17 am
What's the last episode in on your DVDs? I think there were closer to 3 seasons, but I don't remember.
And yeah, Samurai Jack was awesome.
Quick Google search says 4 seasons. Dang!
Post by: kaijyuu on July 02, 2012, 04:29:56 am
Man I didn't give this show enough credit when I first saw it like, 5 months ago. Plain friggin' awesome. It's amazing how much better it is than the first two seasons (pre-Unlimited), which save for a few dual episodes was quite dull.
Also now that I've read Watchmen I noticed a couple nods. I know Rorschach is an expy of Question, but I think there's some mutual borrowing of characterization going on here. It's just too bad Rorschach wasn't a fan of boy bands; something Question will always have over him, hehe (at least in this continuity).
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Post by: Hawkfrost on July 03, 2012, 09:35:53 pm
Spoiler: Regarding the ending of Korra (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on July 03, 2012, 09:41:13 pm
Aglets are the plastic ends to show laces; they look being but their real purpose is sinister.
I don't know why their use is so mysterious to people to the extent that these ramblings are entertaining.
Has anyone had lace that lost its aglet? Notice how fast it falls appart?
Sorry just a small rant.
Anyhow let me think of another show people could watch.
The 1990s Xmen was pretty awsome.
Post by: Zangi on July 04, 2012, 05:59:50 pm
I think I would have watched that...
Post by: Backlog on July 04, 2012, 09:41:52 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 04, 2012, 09:54:19 pm
I just watched an episode of Adventure time. My brain is still going what the fuck just happened as I was watching it and when it ended. some cool themes but then it went right into "acid" type thing which screwed my brain over
The thing with me is that I am so dense to the weirdness of adventure time that the show can be outright boring at times.
Not normal boring... I mean REALLY BORING! Mostly because the show, while creative in dressing, is uncreative in actual plot development.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 05, 2012, 07:35:47 am
Boring boring boring boring AWESOME boring good boring AWESOME boring boring AWESOME
The Magic Canoe kinda burned me out, but I sat down to watch a couple more this morning. Came across a particularly good one about Brooklyn having second thoughts about leadership. Character development! About someone I actually care about! Finally!
I really, really wish there was more animation made for adults besides comedies. I can't enjoy some of these series as much as I "should" since I'm not mesmerized by funny looking monsters and flashy fight scenes like I would be if I were 8 years old. Western animation has a bad habit of filling up time with flashy scenes without substance, precisely because they can get away with it and their target audience won't care. They can show 15 minutes of strange looking people exchanging punches and the scenery being broken to bits, and kids will love it. And here I am, asking for depth. Maybe I'm asking too much.
But then again, there are shows like Avatar and MLP that have lots of depth and don't fill up time with fluff scenes.
Post by: Nadaka on July 05, 2012, 09:32:33 am
Gargoyles pretty much goes like this:
Boring boring boring boring AWESOME boring good boring AWESOME boring boring AWESOME
The Magic Canoe kinda burned me out, but I sat down to watch a couple more this morning. Came across a particularly good one about Brooklyn having second thoughts about leadership. Character development! About someone I actually care about! Finally!
I really, really wish there was more animation made for adults besides comedies. I can't enjoy some of these series as much as I "should" since I'm not mesmerized by funny looking monsters and flashy fight scenes like I would be if I were 8 years old. Western animation has a bad habit of filling up time with flashy scenes without substance, precisely because they can get away with it and their target audience won't care. They can show 15 minutes of strange looking people exchanging punches and the scenery being broken to bits, and kids will love it. And here I am, asking for depth. Maybe I'm asking too much.
But then again, there are shows like Avatar and MLP that have lots of depth and don't fill up time with fluff scenes.
Have you watched Archer? It is fast paced, hard hitting and made of awesome. It IS a comedy. It is filled with awesome fight scenes. But that does not subtract from the characters.
2 seasons available on DVD and netflix, I believe a 3rd season is coming out soon.
Post by: RedKing on July 05, 2012, 09:49:25 am
And, I see at least a few episodes with Jeffrey Tambor. Yeah, my interest is piqued.
Pseudo-edit: HAH. I found myself looking at a few stills of Archer and thinking "Why does this remind me of Awesome X from Frisky Dingo?" And voila....same series creator. Apparently I've gotten good at recognizing animation lineages.
Post by: Neonivek on July 05, 2012, 02:30:06 pm
Though I can't say I havn't watched a show for a single sequence that may last a single minute every episode.
I watched Spygroove ONLY for the inane conversations they can have (especially at the end). My favorite was when they discussed which one of the two main characters was peanut butter and which one was jelly.
Post by: RedKing on July 05, 2012, 02:43:48 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 05, 2012, 02:48:18 pm
That makes sense. A lot of Frisky Dingo was the inane conversations Killface would have with his minions, etc. And many of those guys also worked on SeaLab 2021, which was virtually nothing but in(s)ane conversations.
My favorite of which was "What if we could be a robot" for Sealab... and uhhh... Hmm I just don't like Frisky Dingo.
But otherwise I prefer Spygroove's inane conversations over Frisky Dingos and Sealab. Probably because theirs isn't sociopathic and it isn't a black comedy.
Which is something I noticed... They are always black comedies or at least dark ones.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 06, 2012, 07:55:16 am
Come today, feeling worthless without goals in life, and along comes a Gargoyles episode. One shot character who said exactly what I've been saying: "I'm out of school, with no trade, no job, and no hope." It was a rather mediocre episode (though great for a Magic Canoe one), but just what I needed to hear... well except I doubt I'll be pulling any magic spears out of my ass anytime soon. Opinion of this show up seven fold.
There are a lot of valid criticisms for western animation, but their tendency to push morals on the audience isn't one I'll accept. It can be done bad, true (sonic says: don't get molested! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuXOkGvZNaI)), but when done right, they can be just as valid of social and life commentary as any humongous novel or big shot film. Just smaller and more personal in scale.
Post by: Sirus on July 06, 2012, 10:01:33 am
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There are a lot of valid criticisms for western animation, but their tendency to push morals on the audience isn't one I'll accept. It can be done bad, true (sonic says: don't get molested!), but when done right, they can be just as valid of social and life commentary as any humongous novel or big shot film. Just smaller and more personal in scale.kaijyuu speaks truth. I remember an episode of Static Shock that climaxed with one of the main characters being injured in a school shooting brought on by excessive bullying. I seem to recall that they avoided dropping an overly-large anvil (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Anvilicious), and it was a nice break from the superpowered mutant villains of the week.
Come to think of it, I think SS did a lot of episodes like that.
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Post by: kaijyuu on July 06, 2012, 10:07:21 am
Post by: Sirus on July 06, 2012, 10:10:00 am
It did? I forgot most of the Static Shock episodes I watched.It's just a few that stand out to me. I know it wasn't the greatest show that ever aired, and I won't waste the bandwidth finding and downloading any of the episodes, but every once in a while they hit something good.
Post by: Neonivek on July 06, 2012, 11:59:56 am
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their tendency to push morals on the audience isn't one I'll accept
I have to agree too. Even if I don't agree with the moral I sort of like the set up of "Moral lesson" episodes. They are always about a character learning and growing as a person or about an issue that cannot be solved in an ordinary way. I never take it as an imposition upon myself. Some of them even give you a little advice in stange situations.
Heck the worst "Moral" episode I ever seen wasn't even in western animation it was actually in an anime where the moral was that when you are in a new country you should completely conform because that is what is best. Mind you I am sure the moral they WANTED to tell you was that you have to give a little but you had to extrapolate that.
My favorite "Moral" episode I can think of would have to be an episode of Jem that dealt with being too generous. Mind you the episode was terrible, but it did deal with the issue.
Post by: freeformschooler on July 06, 2012, 05:56:18 pm
...But I buckled down and watched some of the actual series of Adventure Time. It really is as funny as I thought it would be! I'm impressed so far.
Post by: Neonivek on July 06, 2012, 10:40:00 pm
I told myself I wouldn't do it...
...But I buckled down and watched some of the actual series of Adventure Time. It really is as funny as I thought it would be! I'm impressed so far.
IM A FREEK!
I still don't get why I don't like it. I liked Chowder, a lot, and this is by the same people.
Post by: freeformschooler on July 06, 2012, 11:51:35 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on July 06, 2012, 11:53:35 pm
/shrug
Post by: Neonivek on July 07, 2012, 09:39:29 am
I'm pretty anti absurdity for absurdity's sake, and the two episodes I saw were pretty okay.
/shrug
For me it is more that I am rather blunt to absurdity and can see logic in everything.
Talking mountains? Been there done that.
Essentially Adventure Time to me isn't a world of random occurances and weirdness. It is actually a rather interesting magical setting inside some sort of children's storybook.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 07, 2012, 09:46:34 am
The general excuse for that kinda stuff is "it's a joke; don't think about it," but I'm not sure I can get behind anything I'm supposed to ignore after seeing it. That's the kind of absurdity I can't stand. Didn't see it in Adventure Time, but then again I might not have seen enough of the show to catch anything.
Post by: Neonivek on July 07, 2012, 10:01:17 am
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You must absolutely hate Sponge Bob Square Pants.
His exact athleticism and durability changes almost every episode.
Though the same goes for Fairly Odd Parents... Timmy Turner is either a total loser or underappreciated (It was REALLY weird when he ran a race and was the slowest one there... Given that he runs away from must faster opponents every episode)
Post by: kaijyuu on July 07, 2012, 10:10:56 am
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Post by: Aqizzar on July 07, 2012, 12:58:42 pm
DA DAA DA DAAA, DAA DAT DA DAH
Post by: kaijyuu on July 07, 2012, 01:10:03 pm
Oh yeah, I love Green Arrow. It's too bad more episodes didn't focus on him because he's goddamn awesome.
Post by: Neonivek on July 07, 2012, 11:29:11 pm
Fairly Odd parents is actually in the habit of breaking the crazy specifically inhibiting rules established in other episodes on a frequent basis.
For example Fairly Odd Parents often doesn't seperate whether Fairies ability to transform is an inherant ability or a product of their magic assisted by a inherant ability. The rule where the Fairies cannot maim people is broken all the time. Whether or not the rules are enforced by the rule book or by Jorgan changes. How magic even works changes all the time (It seems to be electricty but the Anti-fairies shouldn't have a source of magical power).
Characterisation is everywhere.
However there is one HUGE HUGE plothole in Fairly Odd Parents that was never resolved that was brought up from a movie. In fact it is so huge and mind boggling that it makes no sense and actually kinda kills the movie for me all on its own.
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The one episode I hated the most in Fairly Odd Parents was when Crocker was cured of his fairy hunting ways for good. It ended with
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As for my favorite episode... I have to admit I am a sucker for every episode that involves Momma Cosmo. They tend to be both funny, I love her brand of evil, and sweet at the same time. I really dislike it when Cosmo shows disinterest in being married to Wanda when these episodes are always there to show how much Cosmo truely loves her to the point where he doesn't even notice other women. I like the show when it has a lot of heart and is funny at the same time.
Post by: Sergius on July 08, 2012, 02:42:02 am
Dammit, I've been watching all those Justice League episodes some hero uploaded to YouTube. Like this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJEUvWESPsE&feature=relmfu), which has nothing to do with Green Lantern and he still gets one of the best moments in the show.
DA DAA DA DAAA, DAA DAT DA DAH
...
Did that Manta ray or whatever is his name just cop a feel of Wonder Woman's?
Post by: Neonivek on July 08, 2012, 06:11:48 pm
Especially since a lot of these are more interesting then some of the more adult oriented live action shows.
Post by: Remalle on July 08, 2012, 07:13:19 pm
Especially since a lot of these are more interesting then some of the more adult oriented live action shows.My sentiments exactly. In animation you get ELEMENT BENDING and SAMURAI IN THE FUTURE and SUPERHEROES, and then in live action you get police procedural after police procedural after police procedural masquerading as a medical drama. Western animation seems to be far more free to be imaginative, maybe even because of the age ghetto.
Post by: Neonivek on July 08, 2012, 10:10:43 pm
Just the way they are set up. Animation tends to be brisk but Live Action tends to meander about. Less dead air.
Plus there is less stiff dull acting.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 10, 2012, 09:05:55 am
What's ya'll's opinion on CG animation vs "traditional" 2d animation?
I find I'm kinda biased against CG. I'm not quite sure why; I love most of Pixar's movies. Kung Fu Panda is one of my favorite movie series ever (why does 3 have to be so far away!?). But I see something like Wreck it Ralph (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btB8tb8fLYM) and am immediately skeptical. Also, I didn't actually see Tangled but I did watch Princess and the Frog. The only reason I can think of for this is the CG animation.
I guess I get a sort of "puppetry" vibe from CG. The models almost always have rigid bone structures. It's much less common to see things going off model for added expression, and there's none of the fun tricks (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CheatedAngle) of 2D. In a word, everything feels "stiff" in comparison.
So, do you like one over the other? Indifferent?
Post by: Levi on July 10, 2012, 11:20:36 am
What annoys me more than either of those though, is when they mix them together so part of a show is 3d and the other part is 2d. That drives me right up the wall.
Post by: Jervill on July 10, 2012, 11:32:52 am
Post by: Levi on July 10, 2012, 11:35:20 am
Even when it is relatively subtle like Futurama? I personally don't really care either way, and sometimes when mixed well they can look good.
If I don't notice it then its fine. Futurama actually does a pretty good job of it.
Post by: Nadaka on July 10, 2012, 11:44:52 am
Even when it is relatively subtle like Futurama? I personally don't really care either way, and sometimes when mixed well they can look good.
If I don't notice it then its fine. Futurama actually does a pretty good job of it.
So does southpark
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 11:48:03 am
Personally I notice a lot of lazyness when it comes to CG that you can just see when you watch a CG show back to back with an animated show. Watch the CG Spiderman versus The Amazing Spiderman and you notice it.
At the same time some of my favorite shows have been CG (Reboot or Beastwars and HECK I even liked Shadow Raiders).
Plus even today CG just isn't all that good.
Assuming I am thinking of the right CG and we arn't talking about shows like Chaotic versus the last season of Chaotic where the show went from using Flash to using traditional animation (and personally... I actually prefered the Flash... Yes the animation was a lot less sophisticated but it was sort of the show's style).
Anyhow to say my oppinion more formally: CG is a great way to animate a series, unfortunately it has rarely been done well for reasons I cannot fathom.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 10, 2012, 11:50:41 am
Post by: ToonyMan on July 10, 2012, 12:34:44 pm
Plus even today CG just isn't all that good.Good looking CGI cost money! That's why TV adaptions of CG films look really poor, they're done at a much lower cost.
Post by: quinnr on July 10, 2012, 02:49:22 pm
Been thinking about something.
What's ya'll's opinion on CG animation vs "traditional" 2d animation?
I find I'm kinda biased against CG. I'm not quite sure why; I love most of Pixar's movies. Kung Fu Panda is one of my favorite movie series ever (why does 3 have to be so far away!?). But I see something like Wreck it Ralph (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btB8tb8fLYM) and am immediately skeptical. Also, I didn't actually see Tangled but I did watch Princess and the Frog. The only reason I can think of for this is the CG animation.
I guess I get a sort of "puppetry" vibe from CG. The models almost always have rigid bone structures. It's much less common to see things going off model for added expression, and there's none of the fun tricks (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CheatedAngle) of 2D. In a word, everything feels "stiff" in comparison.
So, do you like one over the other? Indifferent?
I typically don't really like CG. Toy Story 3 was just...too perfect or something. It seemed off to me. There are exceptions though, I LOVED the Final Fantasy: Spirits Within movie, and Code Lyoko is fun too.
Post by: Nadaka on July 10, 2012, 02:51:00 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on July 10, 2012, 02:54:30 pm
I LOVED the Final Fantasy: Spirits Within moviewait what
Well I guess everything has at least 1 fan :D
Post by: quinnr on July 10, 2012, 03:05:33 pm
I LOVED the Final Fantasy: Spirits Within moviewait what
Well I guess everything has at least 1 fan :D
..But it was so pretty. And the plot wasn't bad either. I wasn't even aware people didn't like it.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 10, 2012, 03:08:44 pm
But don't let that taint your view on it. If you like it, other people's opinions mean squat.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 10, 2012, 03:29:40 pm
On the other hand, the imagery can inspire childlike wonder, while the technical aspects(esp. considering the time of release) are stunning.
In other words, there is lots to love about that film, but all those things don't make it a good one. IMO, of course.
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 04:08:48 pm
The action scenes arn't very actiony, the characters arn't that memorable or well developed (hey did you know that the old guy is a widow?), the drama is almost completely unimportant, and even the dynamics between both science factions seem crazy.
In otherwords as a drama and as a action movie it fails.
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2012, 05:47:47 pm
As far as CG vs Traditional animation, I'm open to both, even mixes of the two. Some of my favorite films have been Disney-Pixar works like WALL-E and Up. Then again, traditional animation really has it's moments.
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 06:52:27 pm
UP though is good, albiet too silly at times.
Post by: Aqizzar on July 10, 2012, 06:56:52 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 07:00:56 pm
It just goes to show that you can like something AND know what is wrong with it. (which for the internet is a unfathomable concept)
Post by: kaijyuu on July 10, 2012, 07:04:29 pm
Honestly I seen WALL-E and I really don't get what is the big deal but whatever.I liked WALL-E, though it's not the best Pixar film. It's implausible at some parts (humans without responsibilities aren't going to turn into unproductive sloths), and I wasn't too into the romance between Eve and WALL-E, but otherwise it was great.
UP though is good, albiet too silly at times.
UP was better. The dogs were kinda annoying (all of them), and the house going from some American suburb to South America in like 1 day was really suspension of disbelief shattering for me, but otherwise great as well. I loved the old guy's character development.
Dunno what my favorite Pixar one would be though. Maybe UP. Maybe the Incredibles, just because I always love a villain who has the right ideas but comes to the wrong conclusions (makes for a great mix of sympathetic and loathsome).
It just goes to show that you can like something AND know what is wrong with it. (which for the internet is a unfathomable concept)I know! I don't know how many times I've written some rather scathing reviews of things I like, and people reply with shit like "don't watch it if you don't like it." You can like things that aren't perfect, people. That should be rather self evident since nothing is perfect in the first place but I guess not.
Post by: CJ1145 on July 10, 2012, 07:07:52 pm
Dammit, I've been watching all those Justice League episodes some hero uploaded to YouTube. Like this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJEUvWESPsE&feature=relmfu), which has nothing to do with Green Lantern and he still gets one of the best moments in the show.
DA DAA DA DAAA, DAA DAT DA DAH
I just want to mention I am about to re-watch the entire show. Thank you so much for linking this.
As for WALL-E, I thought it was sweet. Not meant to test your capabilities as a viewer in any way; mostly I just thought it was that sort of innocent romance (both in the interaction and worldview senses) that gave it a sort of charm. Particularly how curious the Captain was, and the almost childlike wonder and happiness he had when he started learning about Earth.
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 07:32:16 pm
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innocent romance
Their friends.
"It's implausible at some parts (humans without responsibilities aren't going to turn into unproductive sloths)"
Actually the hardest part for me to stomach is the ending. Which I won't spoil but is totally unbelievable. To the extent that I cannot supply ANY single shred of suspension of disbelief and I'd rate the ending "Garbage"
Post by: Furtuka on July 10, 2012, 07:42:08 pm
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2012, 07:43:13 pm
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Post by: kaijyuu on July 10, 2012, 07:48:39 pm
Apparently suspension of disbelief doesn't seem to work for me the same as other people.Do elaborate! Different people have different things that jerk them back to reality.
Might as well complain about Belle bringing the Beast back to life.To be fair, that didn't have the best ending either. He really should've died or stayed as the beast. This is coming from someone who fucking loves that movie.
PS: Spoilering a movie that's like two decades old? There's a statute of limitations on this stuff man :P
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 07:50:25 pm
No I am refering to the much DUMBER part of the ending that none of you caught.
I am not refering to the Power of Love/Friendship... I eat power of friendship/love for lunch and I never get tired of it. In Anime "Power of friendship" is actually something I really love that I wish Western animation did more.
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2012, 07:51:43 pm
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PS: Spoilering a movie that's like two decades old? There's a statute of limitations on this stuff manThe spoiler tags were primarily for WALL-E's ending.
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 07:54:48 pm
The part during the credits? Hyperdrive?C'mon dude, just stick it in some spoiler tags.Spoiler (click to show/hide)QuotePS: Spoilering a movie that's like two decades old? There's a statute of limitations on this stuff manThe spoiler tags were primarily for WALL-E's ending.
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humans without responsibilities aren't going to turn into unproductive sloths
Actually that wasn't the issue. The issue was that you couldn't be productive. The entire ship was not only automated but there were little facility to actually do anything productive. Want to study new fields of technology? No facilities on the ship. Want to grow something? No facilities on the ship. Buisness? Automated. Essentially people COULDN'T be productive even if they wanted to.
Mind you... Even I have known people who genuinly enjoy exercise... but I allow suspension of disbelief for thematic reasons as well sometimes.
Post by: Furtuka on July 10, 2012, 07:59:14 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 07:59:59 pm
? I'm pretty sure the end credits took place over the course of multiple generations. Hence the tree.
Let me tell you the accurate ending
They all died.
I know too much about what they were actually trying to do for it to be believable.
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2012, 08:02:22 pm
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Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 08:06:02 pm
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Maybe that confused me, Though I'd pay more attention. Though I still think that is how it went.
The only explanation for that ending is MAGIC!
You can't even justify it if you try without magic.
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I honestly was expecting something at the end to sort of explain how the ending was possible... but nope, I am supposed to shut off my incredibly small knowledge on agriculture to swallow this.
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2012, 08:11:34 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 08:12:42 pm
Making an awful lot of assumptions there. True, the ending was left pretty open, but there's no real reason it couldn't have a hopeful outlook for humanity's future.
Because of the laws of thermodynamics as well as the study of biology.
What is worse Sirus is it was soo easy to actually fix this ending. It would have taken 5-10 seconds and boom! the ending makes sense!
Post by: kaijyuu on July 10, 2012, 08:13:57 pm
There were a few things about that movie that didn't make sense. It doesn't work on any social commentary level. Still quite entertaining though.
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2012, 08:16:53 pm
By killing everyone? That's just a downer ending, and a bit of a cop-out.Making an awful lot of assumptions there. True, the ending was left pretty open, but there's no real reason it couldn't have a hopeful outlook for humanity's future.
Because of the laws of thermodynamics as well as the study of biology.
What is worse Sirus is it was soo easy to actually fix this ending. It would have taken 5-10 seconds and boom! the ending makes sense!
"Oh hey! You know all those characters we introduced you to? They all died four weeks later! Sucks to be them."
A bit more realistic? Perhaps, but I loathe those kinds of endings.
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 08:18:47 pm
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Lets move on... it is a dumb thing that is dumb and only I would hate an entire ending because of something completely implausable.
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By killing everyone?
NO!!! They could have simply have had... I don't know... SOMETHING on the ship actually meant to do what they did at the ending.
But they didn't have that thing, they never shown that thing, they never mentioned that thing.
So lets move on from that dumb part.
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2012, 08:21:04 pm
So who saw Brave? I watched it in theaters last weekend and I'd like to hear what other B12'ers have to say about it.
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 08:21:37 pm
All right, fine. Moving on :P
So who saw Brave? I watched it in theaters last weekend and I'd like to hear what other B12'ers have to say about it.
I want to SOOOO much! Unless I hear it was terrible...
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2012, 08:25:00 pm
Oh, and I heartily recommend watching it in 3D if your theater can do that. It's not annoying 3D, just makes things look better.
Post by: darkrider2 on July 10, 2012, 08:26:48 pm
There's some innate part of me that enjoys movies which aren't designed to be serious out the butt.
Post by: Frumple on July 10, 2012, 08:37:09 pm
If I had to wager a guess, I'd say that the techniques and the tools for working with 2d are currently simply more refined -- and more importantly, more prevalent -- than 3d, both in game and non-game media. In time, as 3d rendering and creation tools and methodologies advance, we're likely to see excellently done 3d animation become more ubiquitous. Well, moreso, as things have indeed kinda' been upswinging from what little I've paid attention.
Eventually, it likely won't be so much a better or worse than a different tool for difference desire thing. We'll likely see more mixed d media, I'd wager, as our content creators become more familiar and fluid with the more recent format.
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 08:51:59 pm
I wouldn't say it was terrible, but it was different from what previews led me to believe. Take that as you will.
Oh, and I heartily recommend watching it in 3D if your theater can do that. It's not annoying 3D, just makes things look better.
NOOOOO!
I thought Brave was about a woman breaking out of her traditional roles to be the hero she is inside without it being handed to her.
Like a movie version of Jane and the Dragon (A show that I cannot explain why I love it...)
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2012, 08:59:35 pm
Well, there is some of that.I wouldn't say it was terrible, but it was different from what previews led me to believe. Take that as you will.
Oh, and I heartily recommend watching it in 3D if your theater can do that. It's not annoying 3D, just makes things look better.
NOOOOO!
I thought Brave was about a woman breaking out of her traditional roles to be the hero she is inside without it being handed to her.
Like a movie version of Jane and the Dragon (A show that I cannot explain why I love it...)
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Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 09:12:54 pm
You are right the Previews really don't show that. Sad that things are still handed to her.
Ohh well I guess I could always watch reruns of Jane and the Dragon... once again I cannot really explain why I love that show so much. I wish it wasn't cancelled after one season.
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2012, 09:30:33 pm
Also keep in mind that I'm trying to avoid spoiling anything major, so I can't describe the movie's plot as well as I could otherwise :P
Post by: Neonivek on July 10, 2012, 09:32:14 pm
Admittingly Jane had to face a dragon to do it.
Bonus points is that they look similar and were both women in waiting.
Post by: quinnr on July 11, 2012, 02:08:24 am
All right, fine. Moving on :P
So who saw Brave? I watched it in theaters last weekend and I'd like to hear what other B12'ers have to say about it.
The only real thing I have to say about it is this:
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Post by: Sergius on July 11, 2012, 12:29:46 pm
The part during the credits? Hyperdrive?C'mon dude, just stick it in some spoiler tags.Spoiler (click to show/hide)QuotePS: Spoilering a movie that's like two decades old? There's a statute of limitations on this stuff manThe spoiler tags were primarily for WALL-E's ending.Spoiler (click to show/hide)Quotehumans without responsibilities aren't going to turn into unproductive sloths
Actually that wasn't the issue. The issue was that you couldn't be productive. The entire ship was not only automated but there were little facility to actually do anything productive. Want to study new fields of technology? No facilities on the ship. Want to grow something? No facilities on the ship. Buisness? Automated. Essentially people COULDN'T be productive even if they wanted to.
Mind you... Even I have known people who genuinly enjoy exercise... but I allow suspension of disbelief for thematic reasons as well sometimes.
The official explanation was atrophy in space because the lack of gravity, which makes some sense. Except the part where they had gravity.
There are many problems with WALL-E, a lot of them in the plot. I read an article once and it destroyed it for me. The only way I can enjoy WALL-E is to shut down my brain entirely... it's still a cute film with nice effects and CGI, I suppose.
Post by: RedKing on July 11, 2012, 02:04:58 pm
I'm *really* intrigued by the trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DSfjEwDQI4JA&sa=U&ei=yM79T7TkLeLs0gHnlYHLBg&ved=0CCQQtwIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNEJzhDfbcB5evA8HgoR0cG2EsJiDg) I saw for Wreck-It Ralph. The "video game bad guy support group" bit was outstanding.
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Good cast, tons of shout-outs to gaming history, and perhaps a bit of a social commentary on how grimdark modern gaming is compared to its 8-bit days.
Post by: Sirus on July 11, 2012, 02:09:03 pm
I don't have the slightest idea how they managed to get so many licensed characters in the same room, but it's damned impressive.
Post by: Pnx on July 11, 2012, 02:13:13 pm
Let's see, I can recognise most of the guys on the right half, except the demon dude, but the left half is a mystery, with the exception of the house of the dead zombie.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Good cast, tons of shout-outs to gaming history, and perhaps a bit of a social commentary on how grimdark modern gaming is compared to its 8-bit days.
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2012, 02:16:57 pm
Though WHY the heck is Human Smoke and Zangief here? Neither of them are evil.
Post by: Sirus on July 11, 2012, 02:19:24 pm
The Demon Dude is probably meant to be Horny. I vaguely recognise the guys to the left and know I've seen many of them before (the Rhino and Robot) and some seem to be generic.Reformed/recovering villains? Bowser isn't exactly evil either.
Though WHY the heck is Human Smoke and Zangief here? Neither of them are evil.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 11, 2012, 02:21:40 pm
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Reformed/recovering villains? Bowser isn't exactly evil either.
Which I'd give if it wasn't for the fact that Zangief was never a villain... and Smoke was only a secret villain as a robot but never as a human.
They probably picked Smoke because he was a Ninja and Zangief because he "sort of looks like a villain".
Mind you I am half convinced it isn't Zangief but a more obscure character...
Post by: Sirus on July 11, 2012, 02:29:16 pm
Post by: Pnx on July 11, 2012, 02:30:25 pm
I actually think I recognize the blue-haired woman (?) on the left next to the rhino; I was replaying Dragon Quest IX the other day and fought a boss named Morag, who looks a lot like that.Dragon Quest, and Dungeon Keeper don't seem very likely, all the other ones I recognise are from arcade games, so I expect the rest of them to be from arcade games too. Also, "horny" seems to have an... axe? when he traditionally has a scythe, and he just... looks wrong.The Demon Dude is probably meant to be Horny. I vaguely recognise the guys to the left and know I've seen many of them before (the Rhino and Robot) and some seem to be generic.Reformed/recovering villains? Bowser isn't exactly evil either.
Though WHY the heck is Human Smoke and Zangief here? Neither of them are evil.
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2012, 02:32:35 pm
Post by: Zangi on July 11, 2012, 02:34:55 pm
Horny? That is not the Dungeon Keeper's Horny... he is too gaudy...
Either way, I want to watch this now.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 11, 2012, 02:36:38 pm
Of course! Russians in video games are always evil :PHonestly, if Zangief turns into a minor commentary about how Russians are designated villains in video games like Modern Warfare, then my respect for it will shoot through the roof.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on July 11, 2012, 02:38:52 pm
...Brilliant. That'd be a day-1 watch in theaters for me.Of course! Russians in video games are always evil :PHonestly, if Zangief turns into a minor commentary about how Russians are designated villains in video games like Modern Warfare, then my respect for it will shoot through the roof.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Okay, probably not, but that would be pretty awesome.
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2012, 02:39:40 pm
They say Zangief though.... at least that is what I hear... Didn't he work for Bison or some other badguy in some of the Street Fighter movies or shows? Didn't seem like a bad guy in the game though...
Horny? That is not the Dungeon Keeper's Horny... he is too gaudy...
Either way, I want to watch this now.
Only in the AMERICAN MADE Cartoon did they make Zangief a villain.
Mind you it was also an American Cartoon Pilot that made Morrigan a Villain too (You know... the protagonist of Vampire Savior / Dark Stalkers)
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Honestly, if Zangief turns into a minor commentary about how Russians are designated villains in video games like Modern Warfare, then my respect for it will shoot through the roof
I agree... Bonus points if Sodapopinski pops into the room.
Also I recognise the guy beside the Zombie to the left... It is Kano from Mortal Kombat
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Also nope apperantly Zangief is a villain now... FOR NO REASON!
Post by: ToonyMan on July 11, 2012, 02:47:01 pm
Mind you it was also an American Cartoon Pilot that made Morrigan a Villain too (You know... the protagonist of Vampire Savior / Dark Stalkers)You mean this right? (http://youtu.be/VTEelxz3N-o) Kekeke
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2012, 02:48:47 pm
Mind you it was also an American Cartoon Pilot that made Morrigan a Villain too (You know... the protagonist of Vampire Savior / Dark Stalkers)You mean this right? (http://youtu.be/VTEelxz3N-o) Kekeke
Yes that is also the video I saw it from.
Also... ZANGIEF WAS NEVER A VILLAIN IN THE VIDEOGAMES!
Post by: Sergius on July 11, 2012, 03:23:50 pm
Also, "horny" seems to have an... axe? when he traditionally has a scythe, and he just... looks wrong.
That can't be Horny. Even the horns are wrong. Looks like he's holding a trident of sorts. Generic "The Devil" IMO, could be anyone.
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2012, 03:35:24 pm
Also, "horny" seems to have an... axe? when he traditionally has a scythe, and he just... looks wrong.
That can't be Horny. Even the horns are wrong. Looks like he's holding a trident of sorts. Generic "The Devil" IMO, could be anyone.
Zangief is a villain, anything is possible.
Post by: Sergius on July 11, 2012, 03:48:46 pm
Also, "horny" seems to have an... axe? when he traditionally has a scythe, and he just... looks wrong.
That can't be Horny. Even the horns are wrong. Looks like he's holding a trident of sorts. Generic "The Devil" IMO, could be anyone.
Zangief is a villain, anything is possible.
The Devil could be trying sell matches in the street during Christmas for all I care. There are probably more games with a Devil in them than Dungeon Keeper, and this one doesn't look like the one in DK at all, except for the fact that they're Devil-looking.
At least Zangief looks Zangief-like.
Post by: quinnr on July 11, 2012, 04:06:53 pm
That Beholder (lots of eyes floaty thing) looks familiar, not sure if it's just the race or a specific game though.
Post by: RedKing on July 11, 2012, 04:15:16 pm
That scene reminded me of the Pixar short Small Fry, where Buzz Lightyear winds up stuck in a support group for discarded Happy Meal tie-in toys. Which was freakin' hilarious.
I want to see Wreck-it Ralph too, looks like it could be pretty good. Then again, it could be terribad too.Eye of the Beholder, maybe? If we're sticking to arcade games, I'm pretty sure there was a Capcom Dungeons & Dragons arcade game that had a Beholder as one of the major bosses.
That Beholder (lots of eyes floaty thing) looks familiar, not sure if it's just the race or a specific game though.
Spoiler: Behold the power of Google Image Search! (click to show/hide)
EDIT: Saw an interesting comparison re: all the licensed character cameos...some are saying it could be to video games what Who Framed Roger Rabbit? was to classic animation. If it can live up to that comparison, I'd be plenty happy.
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2012, 04:19:30 pm
I want to see Wreck-it Ralph too, looks like it could be pretty good. Then again, it could be terribad too.
That Beholder (lots of eyes floaty thing) looks familiar, not sure if it's just the race or a specific game though.
The problem I immediately got when watching the intro is it looks less like a movie made by videogame lovers.
And more like some parent who only watches his/her kids play videogames made a movie about videogames.
To quote: "When did videogames become so violent and scary"
Hmm... let me see... Wreck Em Wralph is obviously a weird combination of Donkey Kong, Mario World, Rampage, AND Bob the builder... So you were around when videogames were very violent and scary.
Plus a few of the videogames he ends up in... once again... seem more like a version of the videogame made by someone who doesn't play.
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Also I should state that we arn't sticking to Arcade games... Since Eggman is there... and the Kano the game is using is the movie version / MKs after 3. (assuming it wasn't Kane from CnC)
Post by: Sergius on July 11, 2012, 04:19:32 pm
Not bad Golden Axe clones, with some RPG elements. Kinda short though.
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2012, 04:23:06 pm
An issue I can see with the movie is that it looks like a movie made by people who don't play videogames.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 11, 2012, 04:29:54 pm
I'm withholding judgement until I see it, but the big pitfall I see it falling into is having a cliche plot with a video game gimmick. If the plot progression is as follows:
1) He strikes out on his own and has misadventures,
2) He eventually loses his motivation and goes back,
3) He needs to regain his drive for the climactic ending,
then I'm gonna puke.
Of course there's lots of potential to actually be good. I'd love them to play up the mid-life crisis angle.
Post by: Sirus on July 11, 2012, 04:39:27 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on July 11, 2012, 04:41:10 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2012, 05:00:25 pm
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One thing to consider is this is Disney. They want mass market appeal. So of course the character's going to be straight out of an 80s arcade machine, complete with beeps and boops, because that's what mainstream audiences think when they think "video games."
No I am not talking about that... Why do people always make my comments into the dumbest possible interpretation?
To quote: "When did videogames become so violent and scary"
Anyhow... No that game was a combination of Donkey Kong, Mario, Rampage, and Bob the Builder.
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 11, 2012, 05:17:37 pm
No I am not talking about that... Why do people always make my comments into the dumbest possible interpretation?
To quote: "When did videogames become so violent and scary"
Anyhow... No that game was a combination of Donkey Kong, Mario, Rampage, and Bob the Builder.
You're forgetting that's from Ralph's perspective. He's from an old arcade machine, pretty much a glorified Game and Watch game. Games back then were typically happy-go-lucky things like a plumber running through a magical world and stomping on mushrooms with eyes.
It's not a commentary on how horrible violent video games are, it's just showing that the times have changed and he's out of his element.
I saw a video that claimed that the little girl in the candy world (the mimicking one) is actually Ralph's love interest, of all things. That seem potentially wrong to anyone else?
I'm going to restate that I'd find this really creepy. I don't care if you're doing some clever crap like making her mentally older, you're still just jumping through hoops to excuse pseudo-pedophilia.
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Post by: RedKing on July 11, 2012, 05:35:43 pm
I think it's somewhere in between. Yes, 8-bit games had violence, but it was cartoony violence. The mushrooms didn't have ragdoll physics and gibs. When you got hit by Donkey Kong's barrel, it didn't leave an anatomically correct pulped corpse. When you shot a bad guy in games like Bionic Commando or Contra, they either blinked out of existence or had a little 3-4 frame "death" animation that was hardly worthy of the name. I remember how incredibly hardcore N.A.R.C. seemed when it came out because OMG YOU CAN BLOW PEOPLE UP WITH A ROCKET AND IT RAINS BODY PARTS AND FLAMING EYEBALLS.No I am not talking about that... Why do people always make my comments into the dumbest possible interpretation?
To quote: "When did videogames become so violent and scary"
Anyhow... No that game was a combination of Donkey Kong, Mario, Rampage, and Bob the Builder.
You're forgetting that's from Ralph's perspective. He's from an old arcade machine, pretty much a glorified Game and Watch game. Games back then were typically happy-go-lucky things like a plumber running through a magical world and stomping on mushrooms with eyes.
It's not a commentary on how horrible violent video games are, it's just showing that the times have changed and he's out of his element.
Contrast that with almost any FPS nowadays. From the perspective of a somebody who grew up on 80s coin-op.....yeah, today's stuff is pretty grimdark by comparison (excluding those gems like Katamari Damacy).
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2012, 05:41:09 pm
It just sounds like the dialog was written by someone who really doesn't play videogames.
"When did videogames get to violent and scary"
Well hmmm let me think... Honestly probably since the NES or if you don't accept that within the SNES (As early as the Atari truthfully)
Also how are you defining "Scary?" Because the original Clocktower which was a 2-bit game was a lot more scary then your weird Metroid/Gears-of-war mix on the best day. What you were playing wasn't scary...
It is just a weird peice of dialog I'd expect a parent to say... Not a videogame character who exists in a world where all videogames exist.
I can only guess it is in there SPECIFICALLY to say what all the non-videogame playing parents are thinking.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 11, 2012, 05:49:05 pm
Look at it from the perspective of someone who doesn't age. Would you avoid relationships because some third party, who has nothing to do with your or any potential partner, was grossed out by it?I saw a video that claimed that the little girl in the candy world (the mimicking one) is actually Ralph's love interest, of all things. That seem potentially wrong to anyone else?
I'm going to restate that I'd find this really creepy. I don't care if you're doing some clever crap like making her mentally older, you're still just jumping through hoops to excuse pseudo-pedophilia.
It's a moot point for this in particular since there's no way in hell Disney would ever do it, but it's an interesting thought.
Post by: Remalle on July 11, 2012, 05:49:44 pm
So apparently Legend of Korra is now planned to be 52 episodes total (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/11/legend-of-korra-second-season/). I liked the first 12 episodes just fine, though I have to wonder where they'll find the plot for another 40.Ohboyohboyohboy I am so excited best ever.
...though I still haven't finished the first season >__>
Post by: Sirus on July 11, 2012, 05:51:52 pm
If she didn't act like a toddler as well as look like one, that argument might make sense. From what we've seen however, even if she doesn't age she's in no way mature enough to have a relationship.Look at it from the perspective of someone who doesn't age. Would you avoid relationships because some third party, who has nothing to do with your or any potential partner, was grossed out by it?I saw a video that claimed that the little girl in the candy world (the mimicking one) is actually Ralph's love interest, of all things. That seem potentially wrong to anyone else?
I'm going to restate that I'd find this really creepy. I don't care if you're doing some clever crap like making her mentally older, you're still just jumping through hoops to excuse pseudo-pedophilia.
It's a moot point for this in particular since there's no way in hell Disney would ever do it, but it's an interesting thought.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 11, 2012, 05:52:36 pm
Wait seriously? That's kinda awesome. Here's hoping the fix their relationship writing bungle and make Mako more than a cardboard box with "love interest" pasted on it. They've got plenty of time to do it now.
Post by: Sirus on July 11, 2012, 05:53:52 pm
Post by: quinnr on July 11, 2012, 06:13:44 pm
I saw a video that claimed that the little girl in the candy world (the mimicking one) is actually Ralph's love interest, of all things. That seem potentially wrong to anyone else?
Wasn't that girl like...4? And Ralph is...not 4? -shudder-
Unless it's love-interest as in Despicable Me, where the main character adopts the little girls.
Post by: Sirus on July 11, 2012, 06:18:37 pm
Post by: RedKing on July 11, 2012, 08:43:34 pm
Yes but lets stick within the Arcades. Since violent and Scary games existed in the time period Ralph is from.I don't mean to turn this into a thing, but you're contradicting yourself. You say "lets stick within the arcades" and then immediately cite NES games for your evidence. I spent a metric shitload of time in the arcades in the 80's. I don't remember anything that was even remotely disturbing or traumatizing. (Okay, maybe the "Game Over" screen from Ninja Gaiden, where you were about to sawed in half by a blade if the timer ran out. But even that was stylized, with the screen just turning red and a little digitized groan to indicate what happened). N.A.R.C. was an exception and it was notable precisely because it was such an aberration of violence in the arcade (and that was in 1988).
It just sounds like the dialog was written by someone who really doesn't play videogames.
"When did videogames get to violent and scary"
Well hmmm let me think... Honestly probably since the NES or if you don't accept that within the SNES (As early as the Atari truthfully)
Also how are you defining "Scary?" Because the original Clocktower which was a 2-bit game was a lot more scary then your weird Metroid/Gears-of-war mix on the best day. What you were playing wasn't scary...
It is just a weird peice of dialog I'd expect a parent to say... Not a videogame character who exists in a world where all videogames exist.
I can only guess it is in there SPECIFICALLY to say what all the non-videogame playing parents are thinking.
The light gun shooters like Operation Wolf were violent but it was a very conventional, non-gory form of violence. Many of your enemies were vehicles rather than individual people, and even when it was actual soldiers, a killing hit just made them crumple into a heap or disappear into an explosion cloud, not burst into gibs. Contrast that with a "modern" arcade shooter like House of the Dead or Area 51.
I'm not saying that the movie SHOULD be preachy about videogame violence (and i'll be pissed if that's a central theme), but I think it's a valid line of dialogue, especially coming from a character who's only known his 8-bit world where nobody actually dies on-screen.
Post by: Zangi on July 11, 2012, 09:01:51 pm
So apparently Legend of Korra is now planned to be 52 episodes total (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/11/legend-of-korra-second-season/). I liked the first 12 episodes just fine, though I have to wonder where they'll find the plot for another 40.Its hard to imagine what Avatar-worthy conflicts will come up... but I suppose there is still a big world... and things have been brewing for at least... 15-20 years?
@Disney Movie: Games today may seem more violent and scary... cause more things can happen on screen at the same time, at least in reference to that space marine game he was in... it is also much faster paced.
Put it in perspective of a video game character coming from a much more easy pace game with not a lot of random stuff happening on screen.
Post by: Hawkfrost on July 11, 2012, 09:36:43 pm
So apparently Legend of Korra is now planned to be 52 episodes total (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/11/legend-of-korra-second-season/). I liked the first 12 episodes just fine, though I have to wonder where they'll find the plot for another 40.
Awesome.
I wonder what they will come up with. Off the top of my head;
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Post by: Pnx on July 11, 2012, 09:40:18 pm
So apparently Legend of Korra is now planned to be 52 episodes total (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/11/legend-of-korra-second-season/). I liked the first 12 episodes just fine, though I have to wonder where they'll find the plot for another 40.
Awesome.
I wonder what they will come up with. Off the top of my head;Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2012, 09:45:53 pm
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I don't mean to turn this into a thing, but you're contradicting yourself
Yeah I don't know what happened there.
Though lets hope he doesn't look across the arcade to the "House of the Dead" or the "Mortal Kombat" games.
I mean... he may be a arcade game character but he lives in the videogame world and can explore it regularly.
Post by: Sirus on July 11, 2012, 10:21:39 pm
All speculation of course.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on July 12, 2012, 06:36:25 pm
YES! HUZZAH! Etc.
Hoping they don't have a zillion filler episodes, but the filler in Series The First was pretty good at having a point, usually characterization-wise.
And I'm hoping for a return of at least a semi-major first series character other than the few we have now. Like, in a major role (good or bad)
Post by: MrWiggles on July 12, 2012, 09:44:19 pm
Has anyone caught any episodes?
Post by: kaijyuu on July 12, 2012, 10:03:10 pm
Big reason I want to see it is Rob Renzetti is working on it. He made My Life as a Teenage Robot (quite good show) and MLP:FiM (need I say more?).
EDIT: Why everyone should check it out in one image:
(http://i.imgur.com/bdIVL.gif)
Post by: MrWiggles on July 12, 2012, 10:36:42 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 12, 2012, 10:49:51 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxl52dxhr91r79nqko1_500.gif)
Post by: Neonivek on July 13, 2012, 02:40:30 am
Have you ever rooted for the villains simply because the main hero(s) is such a mary sue?
I am thinking back to Jem where honestly I was sort of on the Misfits side most of the time. They actually had to use every trick, skill, and talent they had just to match her and Jem basically do anything and succeed. It would be easy to spin the show in such a way that the Misfits are just a struggling band against an inhumanly perfect band.
But in that case I think it was intentional. I like the fact that you really could be on both the heros and villains side (to the point where the Misfits almost feel like the second group of protagonists... anti-heros sure, but still)
Post by: Sirus on July 13, 2012, 02:42:32 am
Post by: kaijyuu on July 13, 2012, 07:15:47 am
There are some villains I root for because I love to hate them, though. No one songs awesome villain songs like Gaston!
Post by: Pnx on July 13, 2012, 12:04:00 pm
That was hilarious.
Post by: Sirus on July 13, 2012, 12:05:05 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on July 13, 2012, 12:06:08 pm
What? Why?! D:Just check his song! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyS3weMlxLA)
Post by: Sirus on July 13, 2012, 12:13:09 pm
Post by: Pnx on July 13, 2012, 12:19:33 pm
There's a bit more to it really, you kinda had to be there to be honest, Vector was basically showing off the movie to show off some of the things the subtle things they did there, and to talk about how they Disney'd the original work.What? Why?! D:Just check his song! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyS3weMlxLA)
Frollo loses a lot of his character development, Quasimodo is no longer deaf, Esmerelda was rather ditzy (I kind of hated her as a character until I realized that she was basically just an immature teenage girl), and Phoebus... well he's basically the worst of them all. In the movie he's an Aryan (which is why we called him Aryan Phoebus), and basically The Hero! In the book he's not an Aryan, he's not really much of a Hero (though Esmerelda views him as one), he's a total jerk and he's actually engaged to be married, not that that stops him from trying sex up Esmerelda.
EDIT: Oh yes, and then there's the fact that that song was basically the best part of the entire movie.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 13, 2012, 12:51:15 pm
If we judged villains by how good their song was, then Gaston would have been an awesome villain. In reality he was a self-absorbed, misogynistic illiterate who abused old men.All of that supports his awesome villain status.
Post by: Sirus on July 13, 2012, 12:54:05 pm
You want an awesome villain, look at Jaffar. Or Azula from Avatar.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 13, 2012, 01:10:14 pm
1) Be utterly despicable but logical. No "evil for evil's sake," but just be a humungous asshole in a way that pushes all my rage buttons. These are the ones I "love to hate." Gaston fits in that category.
2) Have the right ideas but wrong execution. A noble, logical goal and/or philosophy but the methods they take don't justify the means. These are ones I sympathize with yet realize they have to be stopped. Syndrome from Incredibles fits this category.
And of course both need well developed motivation. Amon from Korra could've fit #2 but I didn't sympathize with his backstory nearly enough.
Jaffar was manipulative and fun but I didn't really care too much about what he wanted. And Azula just fills me with loathing.
Post by: Sirus on July 13, 2012, 01:15:42 pm
"You didn't let me be your sidekick? I'll ruin your entire life!"
With his technological prowess, he could have been an amazing hero. Instead he got petty.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 13, 2012, 01:45:07 pm
Note how Mr Incredible didn't apologize until after he had been beaten up. Was that character development, or because Syndrome literally wasn't worth worrying about until he had power? Syndrome says the latter ("See? Now you respect me, because I'm a threat. That's the way it works.") and frankly I agree with him. I don't think his rampage was through petty vengeance but a simple desire to equalize, so people wouldn't have to have power to be given respect. That he himself gave no respect to anyone just proves why his methods were wrong; it's hypocritical and perpetrating the very thing he's supposedly fighting against.
So yeah, awesome villain :)
Very grey morality movie. Here I am demonizing the villain for being murderous when the heroes themselves killed hapless mooks (which the movie went to lengths to humanize!) without a second thought.
Post by: Neonivek on July 13, 2012, 01:53:39 pm
A great part about the Misfits as well is that they were the ones who actually got the more indepth and emotional backstories AND character development (not to mention they got the best songs). So they were also the more interesting group of the series.
Mind you it is why I at the same time dread a revival of Jem in any form... They could never do the Misfits well today. They would have to make the Misfits less talented, more evil, and with less character so that the kids wouldn't get confused. It actually kinda annoys me since they are actually one of the better developed villains (If they are even villains) in Cartoon history... No joke.
Post by: Sirus on July 13, 2012, 02:05:27 pm
The mooks I'd argue against being hapless, they seemed like garden-variety henchmen to me. Remember, the only ones we see die on screen have been attempting to kill the Incredibles at the time, so their deaths could conceivably be excused as self-defense. The only real humanization we get from them is when they're laughing at the Omni-Droid wreaking havoc on the city near the end. These were not the nicest guys.
Post by: Neonivek on July 13, 2012, 02:09:42 pm
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for all we know there was never any contact between them again until Syndrome attempted to kill him
There never was. It was one of those obsession things.
For example Dr. Doom never spoke to Reed Richards until he tried to kill him (Not even the first comic into the series... so it was years before)
Post by: kaijyuu on July 13, 2012, 02:17:56 pm
As for the mooks, yeah they weren't the nicest people but no one in this movie is. The assistant lady is certainly guilty of far more than they are and she gets sympathy from the characters. The humanization came from when they took off their masks (remember a big part of dehumanizing mooks is obscuring their faces, ala stormtroopers and such), when they popped the champagne near the end, etc. They were people, and the movie pointed that out. And you certainly could make a case for self defense for all the on-screen deaths (that I remember anyway), the heroes weren't too broken up over it. Wasn't Dash laughing when he was running from some (and blowing them up) when they first landed on the island?
Post by: Sirus on July 13, 2012, 02:33:02 pm
I do agree about the assistant lady (Mirage). She was guilty of quite a few things and should not have gotten away with it. I assume that she either struck some sort of plea bargain for immunity or simply disappeared.
The mooks popped champagne in celebration of death and destruction. Sorry, but they still deserved to have their asses kicked by Mr. I.
Mr. and Mrs. I have been superheroes for quite some time, and I have probably come to terms with death (both of their enemies and friends). The only time I remember Dash laughing was when he started running over water, because he probably assumed that he wouldn't be able to do so. Most of the rest of the time he looked scared half out of his mind. Any other giddiness could be explained by an adrenaline high from escaping certain death and using his powers to their full extent for the first time. That said, I think he'd be the best candidate for becoming an Anti-Hero or even outright villain later in life, as he's highly competitive and may come to relish the idea of surviving while his opponents die.
Post by: Neonivek on July 13, 2012, 02:59:51 pm
Also yes I do agree that at heart Syndrome was right. The world would have been better had everyone had access to super powers, it is at heart what our drive for new technology is for (The improvement and betterment of all)
His problem is less that he is a psycho and more that he is a hypocrit. Remember that he was always planning on keeping the best stuff for himself, essentially making himself the only super hero on earth. He essentially in his villainy betrayed his whole purpose, bending his vision to suit his own purposes.
Also yes the entire point of Syndrome was the fact that in reality had he simply spoken to Mr. Incredible and asked for an appology he probably would have got it. Irrational need for revenge isn't uncommon.
Post by: Backlog on July 14, 2012, 05:43:00 pm
Post by: Remalle on July 14, 2012, 05:55:35 pm
So, there has been a leakage of what the characters will look like next chapter in the Legend of Korra book two: Spirits at the San Diego Comic Con. Along with the character designs, there were little bits of information let out; Mako becoming a cop, Bolin finding his own path and possibly leading the fire ferrets (and another possibility of him having a potential love interest) and Korra visiting the spirit world.This is good news. There wasn't enough spiritual stuff in the first season, I thought, though I STILL haven't finished it (hopefully I'll finish it tonight). If Koh doesn't return I'll be pissed.
Post by: Neonivek on July 14, 2012, 06:00:02 pm
So, there has been a leakage of what the characters will look like next chapter in the Legend of Korra book two: Spirits at the San Diego Comic Con. Along with the character designs, there were little bits of information let out; Mako becoming a cop, Bolin finding his own path and possibly leading the fire ferrets (and another possibility of him having a potential love interest) and Korra visiting the spirit world.This is good news. There wasn't enough spiritual stuff in the first season, I thought, though I STILL haven't finished it (hopefully I'll finish it tonight). If Koh doesn't return I'll be pissed.
That is mostly because as they mentioned the spirits made an exodus... mind you it does feel like the Avatar REALLY doesn't do the job it was created for... in fact almost at all.
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 14, 2012, 08:13:57 pm
Post by: Mageziya on July 14, 2012, 10:28:09 pm
The show: Gravity Falls
The show in a nutshell is about Dipper and Mable Pine, twins who for the summer were sent to Gravity Falls, Oregon, to get some fresh air and stay with their Grunkle (Great Uncle) Stan; who has converted his house into a tourist trap for the gullible believe-everything-they-see type of people. Everything is not as it seems, as the twins find out, as the town has many dark secrets.
Here's the intro sequence to give you all an idea of what the animation and style is like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tctX771EQeA&feature=related
Oh look, no embeding.
Currently only 5 episodes are out (With episodes 6 and, I think, 7 leaked.) New episodes every Friday; episodes are shown regularly on their horrific host, so if you can bear the commercials of crap you can catch up on stuff so far.
Post by: Neonivek on July 14, 2012, 10:31:50 pm
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I know half of you are probably going to think, "A good cartoon on The Disney channel!? IMPOSSIBLE!"
Uhhh... Who ever said that? Even if you disliked their latest stuff, they are also the people who did Gargoyles and Aladin. It is their live action shows that are total garbage (Corey in the house is SOOOO terrible)
Also yeah I seen Gravity Falls, I havn't seen it a lot yet but I actually have nothing against it and find it funny. Which given that I only seen the equivilant of a single episode is saying something... I kinda want to watch more.
Post by: Remalle on July 14, 2012, 11:05:45 pm
First thoughts:
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Second thoughts:
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Edit: third thoughts!
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So the schedule for Korra confused me at first, but now I get it. The two twenty-six episode seasons ordered are actually split into two books each, meaning we'll get four half-season books instead of three full-season books. Interesting! I liked the pacing of the first book, hopefully the shorter story arcs will lead to less filler and more awesome.
Though I have to wonder what the remaining books will be called. After the four elements and Spirits, what's left? Planet, Heart, Moon, Ocean, Avatar, Energy, Ki? Bending? I don't know, but I have the utmost faith in the writers. :D
Post by: Putnam on July 15, 2012, 01:40:07 am
"A good cartoon on The Disney channel!? IMPOSSIBLE!"
...Isn't Phineas and Ferb on Disney Channel?
Post by: MrWiggles on July 15, 2012, 01:42:23 am
Post by: kaijyuu on July 15, 2012, 09:41:10 am
Anywho, due to my distaste for following things that are ongoing, I'll probably once again wait until it's finished airing its first season before checking it out. I've still got a lot of other things to catch up on in the meantime, anyway.
Post by: Neonivek on July 15, 2012, 12:08:59 pm
Corey In the House...
Post by: Mageziya on July 15, 2012, 01:40:34 pm
This series is planned for three seasons, spanning the entire summer the Pine twins are in Gravity falls; essentially a myth arc.
Also the first season is supposed to end on a cliff hanger.
And the series also has a lot of secrets hidden in it:
Spoiler: Secrets (click to show/hide)
There are far more secrets than those I listed in this show.
"THE FUTURE, IS IN, THE PAST!" ~ Mabel
Post by: kaijyuu on July 15, 2012, 01:44:42 pm
Okay, so Disney hasn't been shoveling out solid crap, but still a large amount of crap.http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SturgeonsLaw
Post by: MrWiggles on July 15, 2012, 01:54:58 pm
Post by: Reelya on July 15, 2012, 02:03:43 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on July 15, 2012, 02:07:53 pm
Over simplification maybe. Three broad categories of quality. Above Average, Average and Below Average. Most things are average, but only the noteworthy is whats really considered so 2/3 is ignored.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 15, 2012, 02:13:41 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 15, 2012, 02:26:10 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on July 16, 2012, 10:18:32 am
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I partially disagree. That'd definitely be true to some extent, but I think there's more reasons to dislike bad fiction than it being overshadowed or bad in comparison. If everything was better then there'd be more stuff like cult followings as people realized that the less popular stuff was still good.Mmm, I'm probably just agreeing with you, here but...
The technical side would improve. There'd be less problems like plot holes/etc. But I still think the majority of what makes people say something is "good" vs "bad" is how it compares to other things. The mere existence of the term "good for its time" more or less proves that, since whatever is "good for its time" is such because it was novel and unique, and the term implies it doesn't stand up to newer things (yet still gets respect).
Compare: The 1940s Superman Cartoons vs Superman the Animated Series (made in the 1990s). I've seen both and I can say that the latter is objectively better. However, which ranks higher on "best cartoons of all time" lists? The 1940s one. If I had watched the Superman cartoons in the 40s, my jaw would've hit the goddamn floor, 'cause they're frickin' amazing compared to the rest of the cartoons of the day, not to mention taking into consideration technical limitations.
Another point to bring up, I suppose, is you can judge something's "quality" by how influential it is. You may or may not like Who Framed Roger Rabbit (most fans of early cartoons don't, so I hear), but it was hugely influential on how cartoons were viewed. It single-handedly put a humungous dent in the animation age ghetto. For that alone, one might call it "good."
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Okay so I caved and watched the first episode of Gravity Falls.
HOLY FUCK THIS IS AWESOME
EDIT:
Link to first episode with some commercials (only linking this one since it has a commercial for Gravity Falls for whatever reason, which may be of interest as it explains the premise):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE5SzzZOp0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE5SzzZOp0s)
Post by: Mageziya on July 16, 2012, 12:32:37 pm
welcome to the.....
the.....
I dunno, let's settle on fandom, for now.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 16, 2012, 12:56:35 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I really really really hope they continue to play up the "real or fake" mysteries with the monsters. Scooby Doo has the problem where you know the monster's always fake... if they keep you guessing here, then there's loads of potential for making it actually feel like a mystery.
Post by: Mageziya on July 16, 2012, 01:16:02 pm
Back rolls, front rolls, side steps, ect.
Post by: Neonivek on July 16, 2012, 05:28:06 pm
It's interesting how well Dipper and Mable are capable of dodging and maneuvering. You wouldn't think they would be able to do that so well.
Back rolls, front rolls, side steps, ect.
They are Kid heros in a series about the supernatural.
They are kinda obligated to be masters of running and dodging.
This however will not stop a future episode where Dipper or Mable will be considered unfit and uncoordinated.
Post by: Reelya on July 16, 2012, 05:33:03 pm
How can that be a tautology?
Over simplification maybe. Three broad categories of quality. Above Average, Average and Below Average. Most things are average, but only the noteworthy is whats really considered so 2/3 is ignored.
You said: "Most things are average or below average. Very few things are above average."
It's a Tautology because if everything was "awesome" that would be new "average".
It's logically impossible for "everything to be above average" because median quality is what defines "average".
Post by: Neonivek on July 16, 2012, 05:38:25 pm
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It's logically impossible for "everything to be above average" because median quality is what defines "average".
Average can be great.
Eat that logic! Non-mutually exclusive qualifiers.
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 16, 2012, 06:07:37 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on July 16, 2012, 07:15:40 pm
This is what I feared. I WANT MORE.
Post by: Neonivek on July 16, 2012, 07:16:11 pm
If the average is great then it's probably not best to be judging things by how they compare to the average.
Unless you are attempting to find how beyond exceptional something is.
Post by: Mageziya on July 16, 2012, 09:02:42 pm
Finished episode 6 of Gravity Falls.
This is what I feared. I WANT MORE.
Well, new episodes every Friday.
Though technically episode 6 was a leak, soooooooo...
In the mean time you can start analyzing the show for secrets.
Post by: Hawkfrost on July 16, 2012, 09:52:03 pm
That was surprisingly good actually, especially for something on modern Disney Channel.
Spoiler: First episode thing. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Glowcat on July 16, 2012, 10:00:23 pm
Just watched the first episode of it too.
That was surprisingly good actually, especially for something on modern Disney Channel.
imo, it gets better too. Some of its content is very adult in a family friendly shell.
Post by: Sirus on July 16, 2012, 10:08:33 pm
Post by: Pnx on July 16, 2012, 10:32:50 pm
My friend said one of the episodes has a reference to code 2319 from Monster's Inc (child contamination).
Post by: kaijyuu on July 16, 2012, 11:49:10 pm
I don't care what they "sneak past the radar." If there's anything that could be called a "adult bonus" that I like to see, it'd plain, regular old depth. Kids aren't stupid, but they have short attention spans, so simple plots and easy to understand motivations are necessary for most cartoons. What I like is seeing subtle details that emphasize and flesh out these nominally weak plots and characterizations. Stuff a kid might not notice at all. If I can analyze a scene from a cartoon, pointing out all the little things that emphasize the story but aren't necessary and can be missed, and it comes out to be a long list of things, then I've likely got a goddamn awesome cartoon on my hands. Conversely, if all the scenes are extremely straightforward and shove all the details in your face, I've likely got a boring cartoon.
To put it a bit more simply, if the cartoon I saw as a kid and the one I see as an adult are exactly the same, then it's shallow and dull. But if I see different things as an adult, focusing on different details to put a whole new spin on the same story, then it's deep and interesting. The latter stands up to the test of time, the former doesn't.
Post by: Frumple on July 16, 2012, 11:53:44 pm
Gummi Bears, your civil war and so on stands tall once again.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 17, 2012, 12:01:25 am
I can get behind that. :P
Post by: MrWiggles on July 17, 2012, 12:06:45 am
And I'm sure there gruncle slash fiction to read by now.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 17, 2012, 12:11:53 am
I'm afraid I'm going to have to pass on the slash fiction, though. I'm quite depraved, but not that depraved.
Post by: MrWiggles on July 17, 2012, 12:14:22 am
Like, whats a knob you use to go in and out of the back door?
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 17, 2012, 12:36:29 am
Post by: Reelya on July 17, 2012, 01:25:13 am
Someone was asking and I could only think of Aeon Flux
Post by: Sirus on July 17, 2012, 01:40:01 am
Post by: Reelya on July 17, 2012, 01:43:43 am
Post by: Sirus on July 17, 2012, 01:44:27 am
The art style can be pretty amazing as well.
Post by: Remalle on July 17, 2012, 01:45:22 am
Ok then... Legend of Korra is far less kiddy than the original.
Post by: Sirus on July 17, 2012, 01:48:04 am
Post by: MrWiggles on July 17, 2012, 01:57:01 am
Any American cartoons which are not kiddy-ish, comedy or superhero-related?Well Aeon Flux is one.
Someone was asking and I could only think of Aeon Flux
There also the Heavy Metal movies.
Thundercats was a straight drama, as was Transformers.
Here a list kinda:
Swamp Thing
James Bond Jr.
The Pirates of Dark Water <3 <3
Highlander: The Animated Series
Duckman
The Critic "It stinks!"
Gargoyles
Space Ghost Coast to Coast
Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist
The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest
Men in Black: The Series
King of the Hill
South Park
Todd McFarlane's Spawn
Celebrity Deathmatch
Dilbert
Mission Hill
Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles <3 <3 <3
Post by: Sirus on July 17, 2012, 01:59:20 am
Kudos for remembering the Men in Black cartoon, though. I loved that thing.
Post by: Reelya on July 17, 2012, 02:02:55 am
The Pirates of Dark Water sounds promising, maybe, but i was more wondering whether the USA made any serious drama ones, or whether they're all just like Japanese Shonen series, but the more "adult" ones have blood, guts, sex and/or swearing as the only aspects making them "non-kiddyish"
I'm veering to the conclusion the more adult US cartoons are like "boy's own adventures" but with gore, sex and drugs.
Post by: MrWiggles on July 17, 2012, 02:05:12 am
Post by: Neonivek on July 17, 2012, 02:17:21 am
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Any American cartoons which are not kiddy-ish, comedy or superhero-related?
Hmmm... Not really depending on what you call Kiddy.
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yea, its really hard to escape the comedies
It is because Cartoons arn't popular in adults unless they are also comedies. Mind you I mean Cartoons marketed towards adults. I am more then aware some cartoons have actually more adult then child popularity inspite it not being marketed towards them.
and while There have been Non-comedy Cartoons aimed at children who weren't SUPER young, it didn't really survive. Jem is from the 80s and it is the ONLY drama that isn't a comedy that isn't super kiddy I have ever seen (And it was made for kids) and it had continuity AND a plot. Honestly I have nothing but respect for Jem. I wouldn't suggest it to you because it is a musical show (it is why I watched it only to be surprised that... it was actually surprisingly good... I thought it would be trash) and is rather silly and stylistic.
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Any example I can give just kinda puts me on a "Well does this count?" sort of edge. For example Samurai Jack isn't what I call Childish...
But I grown up with games such as Kings Quest and things such as intelligent dogs don't really phase me and I don't consider it childish.
What is kiddy? What is super hero? For example does "Avatar the Last Airbender" count as a Kiddy Super Hero show? It is about what is essentially a child super hero saving the world.
The ONLY show I can think of is... DANG I forgot the name... But it is forgettable. It is a show based off a newspaper comic. They made so few episodes though. It is a "Slice of Life" show (similar shows would be Full House and Family Values)
Basically what is the range of kiddy?
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I'm veering to the conclusion the more adult US cartoons are like "boy's own adventures" but with gore, sex and drugs
Actually interestingly enough... No.
They are just in the dirrect to DVD market but they sometimes end up on TV.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 17, 2012, 09:20:44 am
Batman the Animated Series is notable for having a prime-time slot at one point. You could definitely call the earlier seasons directed at adults as well as kids, and it's not a comedy. And Batman being Batman, it's one of the more realistic superhero shows (though the laws of physics are regularly broken and all that).
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So, Gravity Falls.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sergius on July 17, 2012, 10:03:02 am
Any American cartoons which are not kiddy-ish, comedy or superhero-related?Well Aeon Flux is one.
Someone was asking and I could only think of Aeon Flux
Especially that episode where Aeon dies.
Post by: Karlito on July 17, 2012, 10:06:55 am
Post by: Nadaka on July 17, 2012, 10:08:00 am
Any American cartoons which are not kiddy-ish, comedy or superhero-related?Well Aeon Flux is one.
Someone was asking and I could only think of Aeon Flux
Especially that episode where Aeon dies.
Were there not several episodes where she dies?
Post by: RedKing on July 17, 2012, 11:03:34 am
Post by: Hawkfrost on July 17, 2012, 12:16:20 pm
So, Gravity Falls.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Mageziya on July 17, 2012, 12:56:31 pm
So, Gravity Falls.Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: kaijyuu on July 17, 2012, 02:14:31 pm
Here's a picture from the opening:
http://i.imgur.com/ouSWy.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ouSWy.jpg)
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Post by: Mageziya on July 17, 2012, 02:21:10 pm
More mystery stuff from Gravity Falls! Because I wanna.
Here's a picture from the opening:
http://i.imgur.com/ouSWy.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ouSWy.jpg)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: MrWiggles on July 17, 2012, 05:30:49 pm
I would love some adult targeted cartoons that aren't comedies. I imagine it'd fail horribly though; getting everyone, from the producers to the marketers to the writers on board with a completely serious cartoon is a long shot. Not to mention they'd all have to be competent in the first place. Avatar has gotten closest in recent memory, but of course it's on a kid's station and is marketed to kids.I dont think that's true at all. There been several drama cartons, though they so far have been action oriented.
The major issue is that in the US, animation is consider a genre (what the fuck?) and for kids.
Brad Bird had a small rant on the Incredibles commentary about this. It was pretty interesting.
Post by: MrWiggles on July 17, 2012, 05:43:21 pm
More mystery stuff from Gravity Falls! Because I wanna.Yea, I concur that the ice bag refers to Episode 5. The hand refers to the Manuals, I think. I also think the question mark refers to the Mystery Shack.
Here's a picture from the opening:
http://i.imgur.com/ouSWy.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ouSWy.jpg)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Lets see...
The series of symbols under the konami code, and to the right of the tree. I'm super sure that they're alcehmical symbols. The Circle with the Dot is for gold.
There some binary in the top lefthand corner.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 17, 2012, 05:55:29 pm
Reading it top-down (which organizes it into nybbles): 626 decimal, 272 hex.
Post by: Karlito on July 17, 2012, 06:03:23 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on July 17, 2012, 06:11:06 pm
I concur that the shooting star and the tree are the main characters.
I dont think the heart means emo teen. Its a stiched heart. So it was a broken heart at one point.
Post by: Karlito on July 17, 2012, 06:18:20 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But yeah, that one didn't do too good of a job on the symbols surrounding the pyramid, I mostly linked it for the stuff outside.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 17, 2012, 07:09:35 pm
http://i.imgur.com/SKEX4.png (http://i.imgur.com/SKEX4.png)
Seems like a Thing of Relevance.
Post by: quinnr on July 17, 2012, 07:11:12 pm
Post by: Karlito on July 17, 2012, 07:17:38 pm
Has Stan's tattoo been fully revealed yet?
http://i.imgur.com/SKEX4.png (http://i.imgur.com/SKEX4.png)
Seems like a Thing of Relevance.
One of the cryptograms was something like "HAVE YOU SEEN STAN'S TATTOO?" so it's certainly relevant, but as far as I know, we've only seen that bit (http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6m19gERHg1r38etp.png).
Post by: kaijyuu on July 18, 2012, 10:21:53 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5xZZxSsDPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5xZZxSsDPE)
(GF's finalized theme for reference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXjAbzp0hU)) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ55kl6Nz4o)
Post by: Mageziya on July 18, 2012, 01:06:32 pm
So, this is the "first" version of GF's intro. Originally made for some MTV show, supposedly. I think I like it better:There's actually ANOTHER known proto-intro theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5xZZxSsDPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5xZZxSsDPE)
(GF's finalized theme for reference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXjAbzp0hU)) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ55kl6Nz4o)
http://neilcicierega.tumblr.com/post/26581987556
In reality there were likely dozens of proto-intro themes.
Post by: Neonivek on July 18, 2012, 01:48:53 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on July 18, 2012, 01:59:15 pm
Theory time!
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Also is it just me or are there a large number of chubby characters? Seems like about 1/3 of the cast are a bit overweight, and there have been 0 fat jokes so far. I'm impressed if that's intentional; obesity is bad yes, but overweight folk really get more harassment than they deserve (real life and media).
Post by: Neonivek on July 18, 2012, 02:07:08 pm
Though yes I am glad about the lack of fat jokes because it isn't really funny. Heck the ONE time I really laughed at a fat joke wasn't because the joke was funny it was because the person who was telling it sounded so vindictive against fat people that it became hillarious in an entirely different way.
Post by: Glowcat on July 18, 2012, 02:33:54 pm
Theory time!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Mageziya on July 18, 2012, 02:47:02 pm
Theory time!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Neonivek on July 18, 2012, 05:51:24 pm
Called it now.
Post by: Furtuka on July 18, 2012, 07:49:43 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on July 18, 2012, 08:22:41 pm
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Post by: MrWiggles on July 19, 2012, 01:57:42 am
Gruncle Stan doesn't hide away the fact that that he is a con artist. And while visits, letting them stay an unsupervised summer seems a little silly. Unless Dipper and Marble parents aren't straight shooters themselves.
Post by: Sirus on July 19, 2012, 02:11:10 am
Post by: quinnr on July 19, 2012, 04:46:19 am
Firstly, how the heck is this Y7?
But past that, this show is simply amazing. I don't know exactly how to describe it's amazingness, but you simply must go and watch it. I particularly like the mysteries and puzzles that are already popping up all over the place.
Like the Fight Club style subliminal images during the opening. Well, maybe just one. During the second stylistic showing of the trees though, there is definitely a one or two frame figure. I managed to pause it directly on there, and it's just a black shadow standing in the trees. Probably insignificant, but I'll probably start seeing shady things now.
There are also the cryptographic codes in the opening and closing, solved by
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And also that whole paper at the end of the opening that, due to it's whole shortness of appearance, I am also led to believe is another puzzle for watchers.
And the mystery guy in every episode.
Oh, and the show itself is quite enjoyable. But now I have to know what all of this stuff is! Just go watch the opening! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tctX771EQeA) I haven't actually watched a show on television for...forever, but now I have to know what's going to happen next.
Post by: MrWiggles on July 19, 2012, 04:47:56 am
Post by: quinnr on July 19, 2012, 06:28:30 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And this is why we don't do drugs. And why you should watch Gravity Falls.
Edit: Well, here's an interesting article. Apparently the shower is filled with occult symbols and corrupting children. Darn. http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/gravity-falls-a-new-disney-tv-show-loaded-with-illuminati-symbolism/
I mean really, can there be one movie or TV show not attacked for religious reasons?
Post by: Karlito on July 19, 2012, 09:18:38 am
Post by: Sergius on July 19, 2012, 09:19:37 am
Edit: Well, here's an interesting article. Apparently the shower is filled with occult symbols and corrupting children. Darn. http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/gravity-falls-a-new-disney-tv-show-loaded-with-illuminati-symbolism/
I mean really, can there be one movie or TV show not attacked for religious reasons?
Doesn't flooding everything with propaganda, you know, defeat the whole purpose of being a super secret organization/club that is supposed to not exist?
Post by: MrWiggles on July 19, 2012, 09:20:20 am
Post by: Heliman on July 19, 2012, 10:23:13 am
Look on the back of a dollar bill, it will blow your mind.Edit: Well, here's an interesting article. Apparently the shower is filled with occult symbols and corrupting children. Darn. http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/gravity-falls-a-new-disney-tv-show-loaded-with-illuminati-symbolism/
I mean really, can there be one movie or TV show not attacked for religious reasons?
Doesn't flooding everything with propaganda, you know, defeat the whole purpose of being a super secret organization/club that is supposed to not exist?
Post by: Neonivek on July 19, 2012, 10:25:43 am
Post by: Backlog on July 19, 2012, 12:31:34 pm
Opening of gravity falls played backwards "Three letters back"
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
so this might give some insight on what he really is, as well as the Fez he wears and when he went into the secret compartment at the end of ...Episode 1?
Post by: kaijyuu on July 19, 2012, 12:32:31 pm
This probably has already been posted but what the heck.Check the thread title.
Also spoilers :P
Post by: Sergius on July 19, 2012, 01:41:47 pm
Look on the back of a dollar bill, it will blow your mind.Edit: Well, here's an interesting article. Apparently the shower is filled with occult symbols and corrupting children. Darn. http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/gravity-falls-a-new-disney-tv-show-loaded-with-illuminati-symbolism/
I mean really, can there be one movie or TV show not attacked for religious reasons?
Doesn't flooding everything with propaganda, you know, defeat the whole purpose of being a super secret organization/club that is supposed to not exist?
That's the Freemasons. Also, it's not exactly a secret that the US founding fathers were members. (and the symbol was in the bill way before the freemasons started using it)
Post by: Backlog on July 19, 2012, 04:31:02 pm
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About the cryptogram(s) in Gravity Falls
Each use the "three letters back" so you can solve them
Post by: Putnam on July 19, 2012, 06:48:06 pm
Each use the "three letters back" so you can solve them
see topic title >_>
Post by: kaijyuu on July 22, 2012, 02:44:58 pm
Some decent quality links if anyone's interested:
Season 2 episode 1 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpu6dt_mastertoons-com_tech)
Season 2 episode 2 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrh37s_scooby-doo-mystery-incorporated202aaaa_shortfilms)
Season 2 episode 3 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xri533_scoobydoo-mystery-incor203_shortfilms)
Season 2 episode 4 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xri54q_scoobydoo-mystery-incor204_shortfilms)
Season 2 episode 5 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xri55j_scoobydoo-mystery-incor205_shortfilms)
Spoilers ahoy if you haven't seen all of season 1 yet, of course.
Also I'm beginning to think that costumes give superpowers in this universe. They're not even bothering to explain how the villains can fly, now.
Also also don't think all that's possible to do with a plane, Fred, but holy shit that was badass.
Post by: Neonivek on July 22, 2012, 06:37:57 pm
Since I absolutely cannot remember any, can you?
Post by: kaijyuu on July 22, 2012, 09:08:36 pm
Post by: Frumple on July 22, 2012, 09:22:48 pm
E: What I'm saying is we're so used to it being so stock it's painful we just filter out the music entirely, in most situations.
Though I guess I'm not too sure how heavily that Hollywood habit translates to more generalized entertainment, particularly E:animated media. Theme songs seem to be fairly memorable, but that's all I can really recall. Which is pretty different from a number of non-western animations, who seem to have some pretty memorable -- and consistently used -- riffs.
Does make me suddenly wonder, though. Anyone know of any major western animation that just doesn't include music? Barring, maybe, stuff like an actual band on screen or something.
Post by: Neonivek on July 22, 2012, 09:49:09 pm
Post by: Heliman on July 22, 2012, 10:06:00 pm
Does make me suddenly wonder, though. Anyone know of any major western animation that just doesn't include music? Barring, maybe, stuff like an actual band on screen or something.Metalocalypse, if you want to play with your limitation like a cat plays with a ball of yarn.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 23, 2012, 04:06:23 am
Fuck you Cartoon Network for giving this show the most ridiculous release schedule ever. At least I know I'll get new Gravity Falls every week; you'll probably just delay Mystery Incorporated by a few months again, just for kicks.
Post by: RedKing on July 23, 2012, 09:01:43 am
Post by: MrWiggles on July 23, 2012, 09:11:04 am
Watched two more episodes of MLP with my daughter. Dammit, this show is better than it has a right to be.I've watched the entire first season of My Little Pony as my brother is a Brony. And the show is well, pretty good. It has good production value, it stories are well written, its well voice acted and the animation is fairly decent.
It far exceeds what you would expect from My Little Pony cartoon show, but is it an exceptional cartoon on its own? No.
And Luaren Fuast did make it so parents could sit down and watch the show with their little girls, and not want to kill themselves.
Post by: RedKing on July 23, 2012, 09:33:38 am
On a related note, we've recently become fans of Shaun the Sheep and its preschool-oriented spinoff, Timmy Time. (from Aardman Studios, the folks behind Wallace & Gromit). Has a lot of the same appeal as Pingu in that it's not tied to any given language and it has all sorts of cultural tidbits that are good for our kids to learn.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 23, 2012, 11:11:32 am
Post by: Neonivek on July 23, 2012, 01:50:03 pm
Watched two more episodes of MLP with my daughter. Dammit, this show is better than it has a right to be.
It is odd when a show for children shows genuin quality.
I know when I watched Jem expecting terribleness and maybe it was at first... but it ended up actually being a bit deep.
THEN again I never seen MLP: Friendship is Magic. So for all I know it is terrible and people are playing a global conspiracy level plot on me.
Post by: Sirus on July 23, 2012, 02:57:13 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 23, 2012, 04:03:04 pm
Relevant to the MLP comments, and hilarious to boot. (http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88474)
The explanation for Bronies is that a lot of the attributes we attribute to male and adults (and male adults) are mostly fictional.
It is why Snow White while unquestionably for children now adays was in fact a lot more universal when it came out.
Mind you I still have not seen a single episode of MLP:FIS so I don't know. I know Sponge Bob Square Pants was apperantly very popular with adults.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 23, 2012, 09:11:28 pm
Why can't anything I like stick to consistent schedules D:
Post by: Mageziya on July 23, 2012, 10:36:41 pm
Anyway one thing I really like about Gravity Falls is the climax music in each episode, though episodes 4 and 5 were a bit quiet. (If at all.)
Personally my favorite climax music is episode 3.
Spoiler: More specifically (click to show/hide)
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 24, 2012, 02:42:25 pm
and why is it so great
Post by: Mageziya on July 24, 2012, 02:50:35 pm
Sorta the male counterpart to MLP.
Post by: Putnam on July 24, 2012, 02:51:16 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 24, 2012, 02:55:24 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 24, 2012, 06:04:39 pm
It definitely seems like more of a gender neutral show. I'd say Adventure Time is the male counterpart to MLP.
Well there is a way to tell. Who is the only sane and competent character in the show? Male. The female lead is super girly and insane? Yep. How about the down to earth bewilderment common of gender neutral shows like Franklin and Arthur? No it is Zany guy humor.
It definately does not seem like a gender neutral show. At least not at heart.
Mind you it is definately more gender neutral then Adventure time and My Little Pony and my method is hardly infallable. I'd have no idea how to rate "Chowder" for example.
Post by: MrWiggles on July 24, 2012, 06:06:59 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 24, 2012, 06:09:40 pm
I'll admit he gets more of the spotlight than her, but that's it. I don't think his character is really any stronger.
Post by: Neonivek on July 24, 2012, 06:21:46 pm
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Insane?
She dreams of being a mad stalker inside of bubble. She is a few cards less then a full house.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 24, 2012, 06:24:51 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 24, 2012, 06:38:21 pm
Honestly I never assigned a "gender" to Gravity Falls. It seems pretty cross demographic to me. You don't need sparkles and ponies to appeal to girls, just like you don't need power fantasy to appeal to boys.
Well I am speaking more natural gender inclination then "It is going for a male" or "It is going for a female" audiance thing. It just seems like a show that would attract more males then females because of the way it is set up.
Hmm... kinda makes me wonder about a Johny Test and Gravity Falls Crossover... how terrible.
Post by: quinnr on July 24, 2012, 11:45:03 pm
Fuckin love Chowder.Well, that makes one of us. I can't stand either Flapjack or Chowder. I never watched more than one episode of each, but then again, I don't think my feelings on either would change if I did.
Post by: Neonivek on July 24, 2012, 11:48:00 pm
Fuckin love Chowder.Well, that makes one of us. I can't stand either Flapjack or Chowder. I never watched more than one episode of each, but then again, I don't think my feelings on either would change if I did.
I dislike Flapjack but love Chowder.
In Flapjack's case it is because it was a show with a goal... but where I never feel like they earnestly persue it.
Post by: Putnam on July 24, 2012, 11:54:21 pm
that didn't sound that bad when I was writing it
Post by: MrWiggles on July 24, 2012, 11:56:18 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 24, 2012, 11:58:06 pm
That was intentional, I think--K'Nuckles tantalizes Flapjack with promises of an island made of candy so that he can have a young boy to keep him company...
that didn't sound that bad when I was writing it
It is supposed to sound bad. It didn't help me like the show.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on July 25, 2012, 02:19:20 am
Anyways, there has been a distressing lack of comic discussion.
So I have to recommend that you guys check out Irredeemable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irredeemable) & Incorruptible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorruptible), if you want seriously some great but seriously depressing comics.
Not much I can really say about them that the Wikipedia pages won't say better.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 25, 2012, 02:20:24 am
You bastards, getting me interested in awesome shows & then leaving me waiting two weeks for a new episode...FEEL OUR PAIN
Post by: Neonivek on July 25, 2012, 02:52:22 am
You bastards, getting me interested in awesome shows & then leaving me waiting two weeks for a new episode...FEEL OUR PAIN
Without strong continuity I can wait.
Post by: Neonivek on July 26, 2012, 05:26:49 pm
But it wasn't... amazing that is (I liked it, but I have no temptation to watch it again). I couldn't really put my finger on it. Was it how throw away the female lead was? Was it the pacing?
I think, I am really not sure, it was the main character and how the way he acts and speaks is entirely against the setting. It isn't that he is a misfit or that he doesn't fit in with his society (or that he has a technological prowress far above his kin), that isn't related, afterall Happyfeet was a misfit who acted differently but in a way that fit. It is that he acts like he was a person from an entirely different society that has been transplanted into this one. Even then it wasn't entirely out there.
Then it made me ask: How many movies and shows involve characters who seem contrary to the setting?
Post by: MrWiggles on July 26, 2012, 05:39:54 pm
There a How to Train Your Dragon TV show coming up, called Riders of Burke. Whats noteworthy is that its suppose to share cannon with the first movie and the eventual sequel. And its suppose to keep the same voice cast and its suppose to keep the same quality of cg as from the movie.
Post by: Neonivek on July 26, 2012, 05:49:24 pm
Or short is: I meant his technological prowress made sense. Opps.
In anime (sorta since one is China animation) it would be a lot like the difference between Yakkate Japan! and Master Cooking Boy. They are both obviously geniuses and prodigy... but one has genuin practice while the other just had skill without practice.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 26, 2012, 06:44:26 pm
Then it made me ask: How many movies and shows involve characters who seem contrary to the setting?Depends how nitpicky you want to be. Characters that act contrary to everyone else, or characters that act contrary to what the setting should be (but all the characters act that way)?
I can't really think of any of the former, but the latter is all over the place (any show in a past or present time period is going to have characters that act like people during the time period it was made). Road to El Dorado had both Spaniards and native americans who act like modern day Americans.
But yeah, shows with just one (or a few) characters that act culturally distinct without reason (so Gargoyles wouldn't fit, since the culture shock is justified) don't seem that common in animation, though I could name a live action show or two with it (Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves with Kevin Costner).
Haven't seen How to Train Your Dragon, nor read the books, so can't really comment.
Post by: Neonivek on July 26, 2012, 06:54:35 pm
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characters that act culturally distinct without reason (so Gargoyles wouldn't fit, since the culture shock is justified) don't seem that common in animation
It happens when you jump into comedic characters quite easily. Since being realistic to the setting becomes secondary.
I'll ignore Genie from Aladin. They explained it quite a few times why he has all these modern day references (he can time travel). Timon and Pumba however don't have such an excuse (Before you mention their solo show... I should state that it has fallen into discontinuity thanks to Lionking 1.5).
Though I need a good example outside of Disney...
Also character's acting outside the era the setting is based in is fine so long as everyone else is acting that way. If everyone is speaking in "Ye Olde English" and the main character isn't, then there is a problem. Though yes this is a common problem in live action and an uncommon one in animation.
Post by: Sergius on July 26, 2012, 08:05:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-k-e-goaIY
Just a sample, I don't think there are many complete episodes there, for instance can't find part 1/3 of the first episode :P
Apparently it spawned a CGI movie, or the other way around, I don't know.
Post by: MrWiggles on July 26, 2012, 08:19:39 pm
Speaking of dragons, I think this show is pretty fun (it's french)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-k-e-goaIY
Just a sample, I don't think there are many complete episodes there, for instance can't find part 1/3 of the first episode :P
Apparently it spawned a CGI movie, or the other way around, I don't know.
Oh that. Its on Netflix, or it was on Netflix, as is the actual movie.
The tv show itself, is uh, meh kinda. I dont find its plots to be that compelling, even though its world is quite amazing.
The movie is pretty good actually. I suggest the movie over the tv show.
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 26, 2012, 09:39:46 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 26, 2012, 09:43:12 pm
I've been looking for some non-English western shows to watch. I feel like nobody watches those, it's either anime or English cartoons. There have to be some good unappreciated gems.
Like Code Lyoko and Cybersix?
There have been others that SEEMED like they arn't english but I don't know them officially.
Post by: Mageziya on July 29, 2012, 11:01:17 pm
Spoiler: Info assembled from promo stuff. (click to show/hide)
Anyway it airs on the 10th of august, quiet a bit away from now.
Post by: Neonivek on July 29, 2012, 11:05:22 pm
It REALLY depends on what they are trying to do with it.
Post by: Mageziya on July 29, 2012, 11:19:31 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M4C3SLbrjg
This show seems like it is going to fluctuate between episodes orientated around paranormal stuff and episodes involved with normal life stuff that has paranormal butting in at points.
Post by: Neonivek on July 29, 2012, 11:28:55 pm
The promo for it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M4C3SLbrjg
This show seems like it is going to fluctuate between episodes orientated around paranormal stuff and episodes involved with normal life stuff that has paranormal butting in at points.
Ohh my goodnesss... this show better have a proper Finale
I am tired of unresolved or non-endings.
Post by: Mageziya on July 30, 2012, 12:27:32 pm
Post by: Mageziya on August 01, 2012, 10:35:31 pm
Spoiler: Gravity Falls SDCC (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on August 02, 2012, 12:16:23 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 03, 2012, 12:04:40 am
But I was looking at Wikipedia and oddly enough I got to Phineas and Ferb and I found out that someone named Candice Flynn as one of the top 10 worst rolemodels and actually attributes her to the collaspe of women's roles.
and I was sort of like "Really? So no woman can be a self-determined and boycrazy?.. I think you sort of also missed the entire point of her character. There are whole episodes that deal with the fact that these are actually character flaws and that she doesn't have to try so hard to make Jeremy like her... and even then EVEN if that wasn't true the problem with women's roles isn't the fact that there are very girly steriotypical ones, it is that there isn't a variety... and frankly at this point there arn't a lot of female characters who do her role anymore"
I probably shouldn't it so badly but frankly... Candice is probably my favorite character on the show. She actually has character depth.
I mean it is a show either of bafoons who will never learn, or mary sues who don't need to learn (or who can solve any problem rather quickly). Candice is the only character who has to actually try and learns from her experience. It is why I got tired of the boys and really started to enjoy her because there was somewhere to go.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 03, 2012, 01:52:56 am
You know, maybe it's because I limit myself to shows with some sort of acknowledgement, but I really haven't seen much of a problem relating to this in recent western animation (as in, the last 20 years). The worst of it is female characters in action shows (mainly superhero ones) being unable to be hit by male characters, so it always becomes a cat fight.
I was rather impressed with the handling of female characters in Justice League, and well... pretty much every series I've seen in the past year. Most if not all had some decent depth to them, and didn't have "female" as their defining character trait. None of those positive discrimination mary sues you mentioned, either.
/shrug
I'm certain someone could point out some horribly sexist cartoons made recently, but as a whole the scene seems rather progressive to me. What problems still exist (aforementioned problem with action shows, very few good "girl's shows" existing) aren't really related to characterization anymore, but more audience attitudes. So long as we keep having stuff like Power Puff Girls and MLP:FiM, I'm pretty hopeful those attitudes will fade as well.
Post by: Neonivek on August 03, 2012, 04:39:31 pm
Powerpuffgirls... Yeah. Heck it even had two episodes on gender. Where one I hated (They tried to join their version of the justice league with major glory but they find out no girls are allowed... Then I remembered that they actually have had multiple female heros on the show before.).
Post by: Putnam on August 03, 2012, 05:09:02 pm
Post by: Jervill on August 03, 2012, 05:27:40 pm
Well My Little Pony Friendship is magic REALLY isn't a beacon of change for how we view the sexes... Given that ANY male that watches that show is given a derogitory term (Bronie) that is also neutral.
How does this have any bearing on the show itself?
Post by: kaijyuu on August 03, 2012, 05:30:11 pm
Isn't that the episode where they turn into a giant pussy cat and rub up against some villain's extremely large robot that was too hard for all of the League's men to beat?Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar :P
Post by: Neonivek on August 03, 2012, 05:32:03 pm
Isn't that the episode where they turn into a giant pussy cat and rub up against some villain's extremely large robot that was too hard for all of the League's men to beat?
Well that DID happen... but that guy's power was specifically that he couldn't be defeated by Manliness and in fact absorbed power from it.
In otherwords they had to create a villain that none of the male heros could ever defeat because they are men.
Post by: Putnam on August 03, 2012, 08:48:35 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on August 03, 2012, 08:58:13 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 03, 2012, 09:01:10 pm
Post by: Jervill on August 03, 2012, 09:24:21 pm
From my viewing of MLP:FIM has very negative views on Males in general. All the males shown as far as Season 1 is concern are bullies, or idiots or monsters. Spike himself isn't especially a strong male character, since he girl crazy and treated more like a pet at times or sectary.
Early season episodes mostly. Big Macintosh, Braeburn, and Shining Armor are three male examples I can think of who are not bullies, idiots, or monsters.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 03, 2012, 09:26:46 pm
Honestly the only gender related hiccup I noticed was Shining Armor; he's Twilight's big brother, and has some horrible "your big brother is your protector" undertones. I felt his general attitude toward his younger sister absolutely grating. That can be justified by assuming the creators were just having fun with the "Knight in Shining Armor" trope, as his name suggests, though. Hopefully he never shows up again.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 03, 2012, 09:30:54 pm
Big Macintosh is an empty character. Not familiar with Braeburn or Shining Armor though.From my viewing of MLP:FIM has very negative views on Males in general. All the males shown as far as Season 1 is concern are bullies, or idiots or monsters. Spike himself isn't especially a strong male character, since he girl crazy and treated more like a pet at times or sectary.
Early season episodes mostly. Big Macintosh, Braeburn, and Shining Armor are three male examples I can think of who are not bullies, idiots, or monsters.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 04, 2012, 02:10:56 am
I really am curious as to the development history of this show. The release schedule has been absolutely bonkers since it started. The premiere was over 2 goddamn years ago, and they're only 5 episodes into season 2 now.
Cartoon Network's fault? Internal struggles? Creative differences? What the fuck screws over a series this badly, without outright killing it?
Normally I'd just blame Cartoon Network because they're Cartoon Network, but looking at the show's continuity makes me think internal issues might be to blame too. The Night the Clown Cried parts 1 and 2 seem very disjointed, with the villain having entirely different motivations for each one despite being the same guy. Both are great episodes (some of the best in the series, even), but I really wonder if the writers were collaborating on it or just wrote two different episodes and haphazardly stuck them together later.
Post by: Neonivek on August 04, 2012, 02:22:33 am
The small number of male characters is due to meddling, actually. There's quite a few more in season 2, all over the scale of "likeable" to "dislikable." Fancy Pants is awesome.
Honestly the only gender related hiccup I noticed was Shining Armor; he's Twilight's big brother, and has some horrible "your big brother is your protector" undertones. I felt his general attitude toward his younger sister absolutely grating. That can be justified by assuming the creators were just having fun with the "Knight in Shining Armor" trope, as his name suggests, though. Hopefully he never shows up again.
Honestly I REALLY REALLY have to watch this show. If only because of this accusation.
I mean it is one thing just for a character to have a condensending older brother who believes it is his job to protect his younger sister and POSSIBLY that she feels that way too. but for that scenario to play out like "That is how things should be" is another.
and this isn't just some dumb TVshow critic who finds any little character flaw to mean that the show wants children to copy that character. This is a Bay12games viewer meaning there is actually some clout (I can't believe I am not being sarcastic).
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The Night the Clown Cried parts 1 and 2 seem very disjointed, with the villain having entirely different motivations for each one despite being the same guy
Sometimes this happens if the writers back out of a twist or of an event that happened.
It is very possible that they written a much better second part but either thought it was too risky or that it did too much too soon. It can also happen if they written the first part and then tried to shoehorn a certain ending and noticed that the motivations don't match so they change it.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 04, 2012, 02:39:06 am
Well it's not very big of an implication, but I really think it's there. You have an extremely self sufficient female character, who for the entire series up to this point been able to take care of herself, and then during the season finale her big brother shows up and there's a song about how he was "always there for her" and such. Always there for her, despite never doing a damn thing for her on-screen, and in fact never even being mentioned at all. And he thinks he can use condescending and "cute" pet names while noogieing her, as a stereotypical big brother protector would.The small number of male characters is due to meddling, actually. There's quite a few more in season 2, all over the scale of "likeable" to "dislikable." Fancy Pants is awesome.
Honestly the only gender related hiccup I noticed was Shining Armor; he's Twilight's big brother, and has some horrible "your big brother is your protector" undertones. I felt his general attitude toward his younger sister absolutely grating. That can be justified by assuming the creators were just having fun with the "Knight in Shining Armor" trope, as his name suggests, though. Hopefully he never shows up again.
Honestly I REALLY REALLY have to watch this show. If only because of this accusation.
I mean it is one thing just for a character to have a condensending older brother who believes it is his job to protect his younger sister and POSSIBLY that she feels that way too. but for that scenario to play out like "That is how things should be" is another.
and this isn't just some dumb TVshow critic who finds any little character flaw to mean that the show wants children to copy that character. This is a Bay12games viewer meaning there is actually some clout (I can't believe I am not being sarcastic).
Grr.
If you're looking for horrible unfortunate implications, no, it's not that bad. But enough to get on my nerves a bit.
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They did have to back out on one of the twists:QuoteThe Night the Clown Cried parts 1 and 2 seem very disjointed, with the villain having entirely different motivations for each one despite being the same guy
Sometimes this happens if the writers back out of a twist or of an event that happened.
It is very possible that they written a much better second part but either thought it was too risky or that it did too much too soon. It can also happen if they written the first part and then tried to shoehorn a certain ending and noticed that the motivations don't match so they change it.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's hard to imagine a better part 2, since I fucking LOVED that episode, but yeah it didn't really fit with his previous established motivations. It could be they had a really awesome idea and just decided to go for it without changing part 1.
There are lots of "good ideas" in season 2 so far now that I think about it, but... Disjointed really is a good word. I love the return of Hot Dog Water and her... ahem, "friendship" with Velma. But she seemed a bit shoehorned in to the plots so far.
Post by: Sirus on August 04, 2012, 02:47:28 am
I haven't seen the episode in question (or any of them for that matter), but it sounds like the sort of thing in which the younger sister would demonstrate that she no longer/never needed her brother's protection, and he would lay off the Knight in Shining Armor thing. To me, that's a fine aesop, since yes, older brothers do tend to be protective and no, they don't always need to be. Is that how it turned out?
Post by: kaijyuu on August 04, 2012, 02:53:52 am
This show's a bit better than what you might be thinking, though. He didn't ride up and show how one needs a MAN to solve problems. He had to get his own butt saved first. It's just that the sibling dynamic is obvious, and it really grates with how Twilight was previously established (independent). None of that changes by the end of the episodes, either.
It's about as weird as it would be if Lisa Simpson started idolizing (a slightly more mature) Bart.
There are no horrible sexist undertones here, just a minor one that popped out and annoyed me :P
Post by: Sirus on August 04, 2012, 02:57:40 am
Post by: RedKing on August 07, 2012, 03:26:37 pm
The Oblongs! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oblongs)
Awesome warped humor, great voice acting cast, shame that it's been on indefinite hiatus for about eight years now...
Post by: Putnam on August 07, 2012, 04:31:19 pm
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on August 07, 2012, 06:23:46 pm
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Post by: Sirus on August 07, 2012, 07:24:33 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on August 07, 2012, 07:34:21 pm
50 pages and my waifu wasn't mentioned at least once? For shame.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh dear, you just unlocked open my brain's Rule 34 gates..
Post by: kaijyuu on August 07, 2012, 07:34:37 pm
Series that nobody has mentioned yet (and that honestly, even I had forgotten until just a bit ago):I remember hearing about that one. It's supposedly one of the most depressing and nihilistic cartoons ever.
The Oblongs! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oblongs)
50 pages and my waifu wasn't mentioned at least once? For shame.Many a furry would agree with you :PSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: MrWiggles on August 07, 2012, 08:20:27 pm
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on August 07, 2012, 08:47:48 pm
Callie Briggs is also my waifu.50 pages and my waifu wasn't mentioned at least once? For shame.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh dear, you just unlocked open my brain's Rule 34 gates..
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: RedKing on August 08, 2012, 09:21:33 am
Wasn't Bob Will Ferrell in that?Yes indeed! And does a great job with it, without going overboard.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 08, 2012, 05:16:39 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 08, 2012, 10:34:11 pm
Will Ferrel is an actor I want to like, but often times he just over acts and thinks 'yelling is acting'.
That's what I like about his role as Bob--he doesn't yell.
Post by: Neonivek on August 08, 2012, 10:47:21 pm
Okay, having seen the Simpsons, that would strike me as quite odd. Thanks for explaining :)
I seen an old episode of the Simpsons lately.
It really feels odd watching the new simpsons with the old stuff... Given that the Old episodes actually had heart and often didn't back out of tough troubling issues or even back out of handling it earnestly and not in a comical fashion (Mind you they did do jokes along the way).
It is kind of the thing with me and comedy. I think the best comedy is a show where if you took out every single joke... it would still be good.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 08, 2012, 10:56:10 pm
]It is kind of the thing with me and comedy. I think the best comedy is a show where if you took out every single joke... it would still be good.Someone who agrees with me on this!
To me, comedy is like icing. Icing needs to be put on a cake to work best. Sure you can snack on it straight out of the can too, but it's not very satisfying alone. And on the flip side, if you have too much cake, it gets bland. Such is the same with comedy; it needs a base to stand on, be it drama, or slice of life, or whatever, and the stronger the base the better. The base is not something unimportant that can be tossed aside.
And yeah, simpsons started really sucking when they embraced the "stop taking it so seriously, it's just a comedy" philosophy. It doesn't have a definitive shark jumping moment since its downfall was very slow and gradual, but I can point out where the mindset on the part of the producers came to light: Comic Book Guy's "worst episode ever" line. Mocking the fans that were taking the show "too seriously" and would dare criticize one of their newer episodes (it was directly pulled from a usenet user during the third or fourth season, iirc). Made for a pretty funny and memetic joke, but yeah. That's where I think they went wrong.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 11, 2012, 02:17:26 am
Spoiler: episode 7 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Karlito on August 11, 2012, 09:30:09 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Credits Cipher:
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Oh, and now I guess I have to watch the whole thing over again to look for that guy in the background.
Post by: Pnx on August 11, 2012, 09:34:08 pm
Spoiler: On episode 7 (click to show/hide)
Post by: MrWiggles on August 11, 2012, 09:34:19 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 13, 2012, 08:27:07 am
Spoiler: Irrational Treasure (click to show/hide)
Post by: Karlito on August 13, 2012, 11:34:12 am
Spoiler: Credits Cipher (click to show/hide)
Post by: Remalle on August 13, 2012, 12:43:03 pm
Of course, I doubt Nickelodeon would let them age up the heroes too much. It's still ostensibly a kid's show, so they'll probably insist on the protagonists staying young.
Post by: Mageziya on August 13, 2012, 04:50:47 pm
Spoiler: Gravity Falls, Episode 8 (click to show/hide)
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 13, 2012, 05:02:56 pm
Spoiler: Gravity Falls, Episode 8 (click to show/hide)
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Spoiler: Gravity Falls, Episode 8 (click to show/hide)
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Spoiler: GFS1E8, my own reaction (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on August 13, 2012, 05:06:15 pm
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Post by: Karlito on August 13, 2012, 06:16:49 pm
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Post by: Jopax on August 13, 2012, 07:01:50 pm
Trailer seems interesting, so I get what I can find on that one site that's bad for you.
After watching the first 7 episodes in one sitting (well kinda, I did go to grab some food), I gotta say, might fine show, I really like the wacky humor, the voice acting can be a bit annoying at times (Mable comes to mind, but I'm getting used to her).
What I like best though is the art style and the general atmosphere, really hits the sweet spot of a small mid US town (not that I know how that should feel, just a guess from the popular culture).
Also, intro, one of the best damn things, really love the whole thing :D
Post by: Mageziya on August 13, 2012, 07:07:16 pm
Okay, we need to come up with a unique phrase to say welcome to the fandom for gravity falls.
Spell check doesn't recognize the word fandom. Weird.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 13, 2012, 08:08:00 pm
Post by: Furtuka on August 13, 2012, 08:24:12 pm
Post by: Zangi on August 13, 2012, 08:36:13 pm
Post by: Pnx on August 13, 2012, 08:42:15 pm
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Post by: kaijyuu on August 14, 2012, 03:13:59 am
Post by: Jopax on August 14, 2012, 07:34:15 am
It's rather annoying that everything you do these days needs a name that can easily file you into one of the countless groups. That's just silly, calling yourself something just because you watch a cartoon.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 14, 2012, 08:29:07 am
Post by: Frumple on August 14, 2012, 08:34:39 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 14, 2012, 09:08:49 am
Necessary? No. But they can be fun depending on who you ask.
Post by: Zangi on August 14, 2012, 10:09:37 am
Though... it can be used for a vehicle of trolling lately...
Post by: Jopax on August 14, 2012, 10:49:45 am
But wearing small hints like that is quite fine, heck I do it myself and it's great fun having conversations about it.
Post by: Mageziya on August 14, 2012, 07:28:53 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on August 14, 2012, 07:31:53 pm
Post by: Jervill on August 14, 2012, 07:39:59 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on August 14, 2012, 07:45:32 pm
Post by: Jervill on August 14, 2012, 07:51:22 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 14, 2012, 08:04:34 pm
Point. I'm one of those who doesn't like naming of fandoms into groups. I watch Star Trek, yet I dislike the terms Trekkie or Trekker. Which, oddly, Firefox recognizes as legitimate terms.
To me being part of a "Fandom" should take a bit more then liking something, buying its stuff, and even attending events.
To the extent where if someone says they arn't a Trekkie, they simply arn't. It doesn't matter how much they fall in that group, it to me is something that has to be identifyable in the person.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 14, 2012, 09:14:11 pm
Most fandoms don't have a series of special catch phrases.Well maybe they should.
To me being part of a "Fandom" should take a bit more then liking something, buying its stuff, and even attending events.To me it's a 100% opt in thing. If you identify as a member of the fandom, you are. If you don't, you aren't. No further questions asked. Any further criteria only breeds snobbishness; "true fans" and the like claiming other people aren't "true fans" just because they don't meet some arbitrary standard.
To the extent where if someone says they arn't a Trekkie, they simply arn't. It doesn't matter how much they fall in that group, it to me is something that has to be identifyable in the person.
I don't care how "serious" or not someone is about what they're a fan of. If they call themselves a fan, they're a fan. Period.
Post by: Neonivek on August 14, 2012, 11:23:31 pm
Is it true that at one time murder for revenge was allowed and not only that but was was later outlawed SPECIFICALLY?
Post by: MrWiggles on August 14, 2012, 11:32:26 pm
Well, I'm convinced.Most fandoms don't have a series of special catch phrases.Well maybe they should.
Post by: Reelya on August 14, 2012, 11:54:25 pm
Japanese history check
Is it true that at one time murder for revenge was allowed and not only that but was was later outlawed SPECIFICALLY?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge
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In Japan's feudal past, the Samurai class upheld the honour of their family, clan, or lord through the practice of revenge killings (敵討ち katakiuchi). These killings could also involve the relatives of an offender. Today, katakiuchi is most often pursued by peaceful means, but revenge remains an important part of Japanese culture.
Feudal system, pre-dating the European-style state of modern era Japan.
Googling katakiuchi, gives a book link:
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/311761?uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21100983142883
It was banned in 1873
Post by: Neonivek on August 15, 2012, 12:00:28 am
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It was banned in 1873
Oddly accurate for an anime >_<
Reminds me of the anime that took place in a fictional China.
Post by: i2amroy on August 15, 2012, 05:44:17 am
Point. I'm one of those who doesn't like naming of fandoms into groups. I watch Star Trek, yet I dislike the terms Trekkie or Trekker. Which, oddly, Firefox recognizes as legitimate terms.Trekkie shows up in the Mac Lion built-in dictionary as "a fan of the US science-fiction television program Star Trek", and Trekker is a redirect to Trekkie in the same dictionary.
I like the idea of fandom and other group names simply as a matter of convenience. I don't know about you, but in the event I ever find myself talking about a fandom I find it much easier to say something like "Trekkie" then "fans of Star Trek". So while I'm not particularly for the idea, I do give it a small amount of support.
A surprising amount of fandoms actually do have catch phrases, some of which have even gone beyond the popularity point of being a catch phrase and have moved into common usage. It's just that the smaller a fandom is the less solid and less well-known those catchphrases are. I mean Star Trek has "Beam me up Scotty" and "Capt'n I canna hold her much longer", Star Wars has "Luke, I am your father", Gurren Laggen has the whole "my drill is the drill" thing, we all know about the MLP stuff with how widespread it is these days, Pokemon has "Gotta catch em all", Lord of the Rings has "one ring to rule them all" (though that one isn't as widespread as the others, but when the fandom starts from a book you tend to get less present catchphrases), Doctor Who has "Exterminate, Exterminate", The Simpsons has "D'Oh!" (which is one that has spread to common usage), and I could keep going but you get my point. All fandoms have catch phrases, it's just that until a fandom becomes large enough we tend to call them "references" instead of catch phrases.Most fandoms don't have a series of special catch phrases.Well maybe they should.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 15, 2012, 06:27:45 am
On a less meta topic, I'm needing to catch up on the last two weeks of Scooby Doo. Something ridiculous like 10 new episodes, as they're airing 5 new ones a week.
Post by: i2amroy on August 15, 2012, 06:32:55 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 15, 2012, 06:36:16 am
Post by: i2amroy on August 15, 2012, 06:42:26 am
But yeah, I was a little out of the loop on that particular cartoon recently.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 15, 2012, 06:47:16 am
And yeah, everything with a bit of popularity spawns its own memes. I got no problem with those at all, unless it's specifically intended to take something novel and unique and make it commonplace.Surely every meme matches that description, unless it was already a cliché in the first place. I don't think that would be an improvement.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 15, 2012, 06:52:55 am
Most of those I'd put under the umbrella term of "meme." And yeah, everything with a bit of popularity spawns its own memes. I got no problem with those at all, unless it's specifically intended to take something novel and unique and make it commonplace. That's mostly a problem with jokes; who doesn't groan at Monty Python references these days?Meme is a good descriptor for them. I was gonna label them as in-jokes. But being a second generation fan, (My mom was into Sci Fi and Fantasy and thats how I got into it.), most if not all other fandoms dont have the amount of one to one exchanges that MIL fandom has creepily decided to incorporate into their speech. Such as replacing 'pony' as a suffix for lots of words, like 'Everypony', 'Anypony', and while it cute and make sense for the show to use, its just fuckin outlandish to adopt the diction into real world. You're not a fuckin pony. (Excusing the sub culture of furries who think they are animals, and the further sub culture of furries who think they're fictional races and animals and the sub culture who think they're from fictional works and there few others out there.) Its not cute or funny to have a 20 something year old adopt such phraseology. Its creepy. You're relating to a show targeted at young girls. You're forcing a change in your speech which appeals to little girls. Its creepy.
On a less meta topic, I'm needing to catch up on the last two weeks of Scooby Doo. Something ridiculous like 10 new episodes, as they're airing 5 new ones a week.
Post by: Frumple on August 15, 2012, 06:57:00 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 15, 2012, 07:05:46 am
Well, take "gotta catch 'em all" from Pokemon. Not really novel or unique, but still memetic. It captured an idea (the point of the show/game) in a concise phrase, and people merely started applying it to other things (or spouting it as a catch phrase).And yeah, everything with a bit of popularity spawns its own memes. I got no problem with those at all, unless it's specifically intended to take something novel and unique and make it commonplace.Surely every meme matches that description, unless it was already a cliché in the first place. I don't think that would be an improvement.
You'd have a solid case for most internet memes being novel things repeated ad nauseam, though. Anything amusing ceases to be so when it becomes commonplace, but not every meme is intended to be amusing.
Kinda splitting hairs here, though. It's altogether Not A Big Deal. Fandoms have memes, there's pretty much no avoiding that, and it's not inherently bad.
@MrWiggles
Please check the rules of my thread. There's one in particular that applies to you. No, not the one about no MLP discussion, though that's certainly also applicable. Read the one about respect. And if you can't follow it from this point on, get the fuck out of my thread. Thank you.
Post by: i2amroy on August 15, 2012, 07:13:16 am
Post by: Leafsnail on August 15, 2012, 07:22:45 am
Although I refuse to believe horse puns had anything other than an "annoying" stage :P.
Post by: Jimmy on August 15, 2012, 08:01:18 am
Does anyone here watch or enjoy this series? Certainly can't claim it's targeted at the kids here, but frankly what little I've watched I've found too low brow and offensive to really enjoy. On the other hand I have friends who own the full series on box set and love it.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 15, 2012, 08:09:25 am
Although I refuse to believe horse puns had anything other than an "annoying" stage :P.You're just a neigh-sayer :P
@Family Guy
I've seen like, 2 episodes total. Was not impressed. Great for those who like low brow humor and political commentary, I suppose.
Post by: Jopax on August 15, 2012, 08:10:05 am
Post by: Sergius on August 15, 2012, 10:14:36 am
"Oh, that reminds me the time that <celebrity name> did <action> in <event the character attended> (flashback to said scene)".
Example:
"Oh, that reminds me the time Paula Abdul crashed her car into our house during Meg's birthday." (flashback to Meg's birthday).
The rest of the humour that isn't in that format is ok, tho. It wasn't like that in the first season or so, but it became pretty much the show signature.
Post by: Remalle on August 15, 2012, 01:27:18 pm
Post by: darkrider2 on August 15, 2012, 01:34:41 pm
My personal favorite is American Dad though.
Post by: RedKing on August 15, 2012, 01:40:11 pm
I tried to like American Dad. I really did. I failed.
And I managed to watch an entire episode of Bob's Burgers before breaking down and grieving for poor H. Jon Benjamin. He deserves a lot better.
Post by: i2amroy on August 15, 2012, 02:01:07 pm
I tried to like American Dad. I really did. I failed.This right here.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 16, 2012, 01:25:50 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
7 more episodes to go. This is a lot harder to find than MLP or Gravity Falls. Guess there's not a fandom spreading around free illegal episodes for this one, so I have to dig into the deeper recesses of the internets. Alas.
Post by: Jopax on August 18, 2012, 12:07:41 pm
I'm usually using 'that site which is not to be named' because I don't really know any reliable sites that have a bunch of this stuff and that are updated regularly (like say Animetake is when it comes to anime).
(Because I REALLY want to see that damned episode 8 but can't really find it there :C )
Post by: Karlito on August 18, 2012, 12:09:40 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 18, 2012, 12:15:22 pm
Post by: i2amroy on August 18, 2012, 05:48:36 pm
Also if you are looking for season two episode 8 I believe a working link is avaliable here (http://www.vidxden.com/6ltw1dace6tb), assuming you have the free DivX codec installed (which you should install direct from http://www.divx.com (http://www.divx.com) rather then from any other shady links floating around).
Post by: Jimmy on August 18, 2012, 10:05:40 pm
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Another cartoon series definitely not aimed at children. Filled with cute pastel animals who end up brutally butchered by the end of every episode. Not my all time favorite series but it's got a cult following and certainly proves that cartoons aren't just for the kids.
Anyone else have thoughts about this series? Like it? Hate it? Discuss please.
Post by: Neonivek on August 18, 2012, 10:07:52 pm
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Anyone else have thoughts about this series? Like it? Hate it? Discuss please
I actually am not a fan of this kind of show.
I mean it could be worse, it could be like "Perfect Hair Forever" where people believe it is anime related (it REALLY isn't... it is just drawn in a somewhat similar style but not really even that).
But I never was into the "Take something childlike and pervert it" like Puppets that Kill for example.
It isn't that it cannot be good... but it doesn't earn any bonus points from me for having that. So why would I want to watch a show where people end up brutally butchered by the end of every episode if the fact that they are cute cuddly animals means nothing to me?
Post by: Glowcat on August 18, 2012, 10:08:03 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on August 18, 2012, 10:08:17 pm
It's probably the most fucked up cartoon I have ever seen. Interestingly, my eight year old brother loves it.
Post by: i2amroy on August 19, 2012, 12:07:45 am
Happy Tree Friends is horrible and not particularly funny. It seemed more like gore-porn than anything else.This right here. I just don't find anything particularly funny about somebody being strangled with their entrails while they bleed to death. It just doesn't appeal to me.
Post by: Neonivek on August 19, 2012, 12:10:45 am
Oh, god. That.
It's probably the most fucked up cartoon I have ever seen. Interestingly, my eight year old brother loves it.
Yes, it would make perfect sense that your Eight year old brother would love it.
Not because "he is too stupid to know better" but because he is right in the age bracket the show would appeal to.
Post by: zombie urist on August 19, 2012, 12:11:04 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 19, 2012, 12:13:06 am
Though the fandom memes like "magma" and "blood for the blood god" might be comparable.
Post by: Neonivek on August 19, 2012, 12:13:39 am
But... but Dwarf Fortress
Dwarf Fortress has a disconnect as well characters never act in a way condusive to pain and torture.
Post by: zombie urist on August 19, 2012, 12:16:23 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 20, 2012, 11:21:35 am
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Post by: Jopax on August 20, 2012, 05:58:23 pm
Thank you very much :D
Anyways, watched both, episode 8 was okay, nice theme I guess, but nothing exceptionally special about I think, except that the whole denying it might be a conspiracy or something, srs buisness and all that.
Episode 9 on the other hand was quite fun, I like how they played with stuff here.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, a minor nitpick, couldn't he have just told her to turn around?
Post by: Aqizzar on August 20, 2012, 07:29:48 pm
Anyone?
Post by: Neonivek on August 20, 2012, 08:17:04 pm
But... oddly enough the Simpsons seem to have memory of it... Has anyone ever explained that other then "Yeah the show is weird"?
Post by: Sirus on August 20, 2012, 08:19:57 pm
Post by: Mageziya on August 20, 2012, 09:32:04 pm
Spoiler: Gravity Falls, Episode 9 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on August 20, 2012, 10:09:29 pm
Easy. The Halloween episodes (and a good portion of the regular episodes, come to think of it) are non-canon. They have no impact on the show or any of it's "plot" and are basically in an alternate dimension. Sorta like how shows such as Dexter's Lab or Fairly Oddparents rarely reference things that happen in other episodes.
I am aware of how the Halloween episodes work exactly. (Also some shows like for example "The Adventures of Billy and Mandy" imply that ALL the episodes are canon but that they got out of it and everything went back to normal. Which is actually kinda hillarious given the number of them that killed off all the main cast or simply destroyed all reality).
The question is how do the Simpson's remember them (Since they didn't happen). Since they will recall the Halloween Episodes. Mind you I think ONCE they explained that a halloween episode was a shared dream the Simpsons had.
Post by: Sirus on August 20, 2012, 10:19:39 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 21, 2012, 02:42:22 am
Take the writer's advice, which they nailed into their fan's heads over and over: It's just a stupid cartoon comedy. Don't take it seriously.
So, as long as we have a thread about Western Animation, anyone else watch Adventure Time tonight? And feel like talking about it?I've seen 3 or 4 episodes and found it okay. Not much to say from my little corner... I find most the characters slightly annoying but not enough to majorly detract from the show.
Anyone?
Post by: Neonivek on August 21, 2012, 11:10:25 am
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The simpsons has continuity when it wants continuity, but ignores it in all other scenarios
You mean like the fact that Bart Simpson graduated but never left the same class (though given his exact grade wasn't known before then...)? They actually explain away continuity all the time.
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Take the writer's advice, which they nailed into their fan's heads over and over: It's just a stupid cartoon comedy. Don't take it seriously
You are such a kill joy writers. Don't you know that part of the enjoyment of ANY show is taking it seriously?
If you want watchers who just watch then torture animals with Simpsons footage and leave humans out of it.
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" I find most the characters slightly annoying "
It is honestly almost like Adult Swim chosen to do a Kids show... with good animation.
I know it won't happen... but I do want a final story arc. I mean if Chowder has an ending why can't Adventure time?
Post by: kaijyuu on August 23, 2012, 08:38:26 am
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EDIT:
Oh hey, I accidentally skipped episode 34. I guess I should go back and watch it and
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Well then. They were hinting at that before, but now it's explicit. Awesome.
PS: Velma and Marcy's relationship is pretty explicit now, too. Waaaaay better than the Shaggy/Velma pairing in season 1.
Post by: Neonivek on August 23, 2012, 11:21:30 am
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Waaaaay better than the Shaggy/Velma pairing in season 1.
I agree it felt rather arbitrary
Even now I don't know if them breaking up was because the creators realised it was unpopular or if it was always set up to happen.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 24, 2012, 12:31:50 pm
Serious episode followed by serious episode followed by serious episode, and then...
BATMAN EXPY with talking robotic dog. I seriously think they traced several scenes from BTAS for this Blue Hawk superhero guy.
Oh, and a third talking animal (but this one's robotic so maybe it doesn't count?). Still waiting for them to explain how talking animals fit in this universe, since Scooby and Pericles go without comment despite the vast majority of the animals shown being normal.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
1 episode to go! Then 7-8 months of nothing, knowing this show's release schedule.
Post by: Neonivek on August 24, 2012, 12:36:10 pm
It reminds me of a show where there were these mutant animals yet it is supposed to take place in our world. My theory is that the entire town is a experiement (Detentionair)
Post by: Sergius on August 24, 2012, 01:47:15 pm
Scooby Doo progress:
Serious episode followed by serious episode followed by serious episode, and then...
BATMAN EXPY with talking robotic dog. I seriously think they traced several scenes from BTAS for this Blue Hawk superhero guy.
Oh, and a third talking animal (but this one's robotic so maybe it doesn't count?). Still waiting for them to explain how talking animals fit in this universe, since Scooby and Pericles go without comment despite the vast majority of the animals shown being normal.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
1 episode to go! Then 7-8 months of nothing, knowing this show's release schedule.
Would that be Blue Falcon and Dynomutt? These are actual classic Hannah-Barbera characters from the 70s (Batman expy-ness nonwithstanding), in fact it wouldn't be the first time they appeared in a Scooby Doo show - in fact, the first 2 Dynomutt episodes featured the Scooby gang. Sounds pretty awesome that they appear here.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 24, 2012, 01:55:06 pm
I feel I'm missing half the references due to not really being a Hanna Barbara fan. There's definitely a lot of nods to old cartoons.
EDIT: Watched the last aired episode of Scooby Doo.
I officially don't know what's a joke and what's serious. They just referenced something from episode 2 (like, of season 1) that I thought was a throwaway joke. But nope!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDITEDIT: Okay, wild mass guessing time. There are two ways I see this series ending:
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Post by: kaijyuu on September 02, 2012, 05:05:28 pm
Making Fiends. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohiCYu14lY0)
Started as a web series, turned into an actual cartoon, got dumped by the network, and the original creator lost the IP and is unable to continue even though she wants to. Sad story, but not nearly as sad as the show itself. Just wait until you see the one about Charlotte's parents.
All in all a great show if you like sardonic humor that's (debatably) suitable for children.
Post by: Neonivek on September 02, 2012, 05:17:36 pm
Which sort of gives me a problem in that... Charlotte is an annoying character.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 02, 2012, 05:19:01 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 02, 2012, 05:20:24 pm
Annoying? She's downright evil.
I will admit they did tell a really great joke in that episode you linked.
It is one of those episode saving ones because so far I was slightly unimpressed.
The origin story of the pet rock
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Looking at more episodes that seems to be the thing
I will be kinda bored for a bit but they always find some point where they start to get good.
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Just wait until you see the one about Charlotte's parents
Well... I kinda have an alternate interpretation of that episode.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 02, 2012, 07:41:05 pm
Astronauts they are not.
Post by: Neonivek on September 02, 2012, 08:30:05 pm
I think the "alternate" interpretation is the correct one.
Astronauts they are not.
No, by alternate I mean I fully believe they are astronauts.
If only because Grandmother Charleen said so... and she is basically Charlotte Sr.
I don't many people who wouldn't interpret it the way I did.
Post by: Furtuka on September 04, 2012, 07:25:46 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on September 04, 2012, 08:11:36 pm
Soooo apparently they're reviving Xiaolin Showdown. (http://www.xiaolinchronicles.com/)Thats the rumor. I have mix feeling on it. Its suppose to get a lot of the original talent back.
Post by: Neonivek on September 04, 2012, 11:54:20 pm
Soooo apparently they're reviving Xiaolin Showdown. (http://www.xiaolinchronicles.com/)Thats the rumor. I have mix feeling on it. Its suppose to get a lot of the original talent back.
Even I sort of am not that excited if it does get revived.
It had an issue with the fact that nothing was ever really achieved after a while and rather then feeling like a long journey it felt more like the same things were happening.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 08, 2012, 11:35:52 pm
I'm 2/3 the way through it now and holy crap this is one of the best episodes yet. It's goddamn hilarious.
Post by: Jervill on September 09, 2012, 04:42:22 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 09, 2012, 04:59:56 pm
"I love being rich!"
Post by: Neonivek on September 09, 2012, 10:49:35 pm
They keep listing shows that I loved and love even as an adult because they are good... but more then half of these are things like "This show is popular among adults because the characters are super sexy".
Why can't people ESPECIALLY TVtropes understand that one of the reasons why people can like shows aimed at kids is not because they include a lot of sex jokes kids won't understand, though it is more then possible, but because there are a lot of things that both adults and kids can enjoy... OR because of shifts of interest (for example a serious show for a kid can be a parody for an adult).
Good writing and imagination is universal. I absolutely cannot imagine people would pick up a bad kids show because "Wow that person is sexy" (They said this is why Adult males liked Danny Phantom... PS. TVtropes most adults were teenagers once and can actually put themselves in the shoes of someone who went through it)
RAGE!
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Rage over... While I do hate that article as a whole... I am kinda glad to hear there is an Adult "Jane and the Dragon" fandom. I actually love that show and I am surprised I wasn't anywhere close to the only one.
Shame it ended so fast... It actually had a story and involved characters being characters and having abilities and talents with depth and all that.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 09, 2012, 10:57:53 pm
I am reading the Periphery Demographic setting on TVtropes and I never been so insulted by this site.The words of a man who has not read much of TVtropes.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 09, 2012, 10:59:22 pm
TvTropes just kinda sucks as a whole when it comes to subjective things. Their articles on stuff like "ruined forever" makes me rage. The site is absolutely in love with popularity fallacies, with the general implication being if one's opinion is in the minority that it's "wrong."
Post by: Sirus on September 09, 2012, 11:00:51 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 09, 2012, 11:05:56 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 09, 2012, 11:08:46 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 09, 2012, 11:09:02 pm
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the general implication being if one's opinion is in the minority that it's "wrong."
Fanon Discontinuity for games is pretty bad too and so disorganised you might as well just say "Every game is subject to fanon discontinuity" because the article itself doesn't seem to strongly understand how it works.
For example the reason people like to apply Fanon Discontinuity to Other M for example... has nothing to do with the gameplay, it was pretty bad, but because it seems to ruin Samus' character.
But this is about Cartoons... not games...
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. Pop culture references are nice and I'd be lying if said I didn't like some eye candy here and there, but that's never, ever the reason I like a show aimed at kids.
I totally agree. They are a bonus but I never liked, for example, Totally Spies (in fact I have no idea why I exactly like it... odd) because of fetish play, heck it never even occured to me.
Well ok not the Eye Candy part, but I am unusual in my total lockout of eye candy... but I cannot imagine ANYONE watching a show they hated just because someone was hot. Even Baywatch which is outright accused of doing it... actually had a show behind it (To my knowledge Baywatch actually started losing viewers when they turned it into a fanservice only show... What a coincidence even perverts had something better to do)
Ohh wait nevermind... After reading ENOUGH of this... I have come to the conclusion that the person writing the article is just a pervert. *reads more* sorry... A Perverted Genderless Robot who doesn't understand human emotions or motivations who read the idiots guide to Freudian psychology.
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 09, 2012, 11:23:57 pm
No.
But...
fetish play
Post by: Neonivek on September 09, 2012, 11:25:15 pm
Unless there is a Cartoon about TVtropes (and no matter what TVtropes says there isn't) no.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 09, 2012, 11:26:00 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on September 10, 2012, 05:04:22 am
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on September 10, 2012, 05:23:04 am
I Executive Veto any mention of This Troper. :PAw...
Eh, oh well.
Anyways the new episode of Gravity Falls is pretty damn good. I hadn't actually been keeping up with the show past episode 5, so I watched them all yesterday...
It was glorious.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 10, 2012, 08:36:55 am
TvTropes just kinda sucks as a wholeYou got so close to the truth.
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2012, 12:44:41 pm
It is mostly because no show is actually all that weird to me. Since what is weird in a show is something that goes against what has been shown so far. A weird show isn't weird because it is established to be weird.
Yet this frame of mind is what makes shows like Adventure time so much more boring to me then others (I like some episodes but a lot of the jokes involve you finding what they are doing weird... "Ohh my... he turned his hand into a sword... that actually makes perfect sense"). I mean I like the show but so barely I just wonder if the key to enjoying it vastly is peeing your pants everytime something silly happens.
Post by: Furtuka on September 11, 2012, 03:55:19 pm
Post by: Levi on September 11, 2012, 04:25:59 pm
and now I'm kinda curious about how do people in other cultures think of various western shows.
I don't think Wolverine drinks enough beer for a Canadian. I'm a little offended by that.
Post by: Sirus on September 11, 2012, 04:27:03 pm
Post by: Xantalos on September 13, 2012, 03:23:23 am
Post by: kaijyuu on September 13, 2012, 03:29:01 am
I did watch the banned episode recently, and it left me wondering why the hell it was banned. Neat musical episode.
Post by: Xantalos on September 13, 2012, 03:30:40 am
Post by: kaijyuu on September 13, 2012, 03:32:59 am
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This was the only episode that was banned in USA due to scenes with quick bright flashing backgrounds, executives may say it will cause seizures, it only aired in the UK and other different regionsAh, that makes more sense. I had previously heard it was banned for its capitalist vs communist themes.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 13, 2012, 06:22:32 am
Post by: Sirus on September 13, 2012, 11:46:02 am
Post by: Xantalos on September 13, 2012, 07:17:29 pm
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Post by: penguinofhonor on September 13, 2012, 11:26:17 pm
Also, on Gravity Falls, I'm just amazed at how good of a video game episode Fight Fighters is. It's just so well written.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 14, 2012, 03:42:36 am
Post by: MrWiggles on September 14, 2012, 04:19:44 am
I think it's a little too reference heavy (seriously, very few kids are going to get all those fighting and brawler game references), but it still works very well in spite of that, so yeah, great episode.
I think they recognize that Gravity Falls is reaching a more broad and older audience then its directly targeted demographic.
Post by: Neonivek on September 14, 2012, 01:27:23 pm
I think it's a little too reference heavy (seriously, very few kids are going to get all those fighting and brawler game references), but it still works very well in spite of that, so yeah, great episode.
I think they recognize that Gravity Falls is reaching a more broad and older audience then its directly targeted demographic.
As well even as a child I have enjoyed VERY reference laden things without knowing a single one... Heck even today.
Plus it isn't like the steriotypes and themes arn't all around kids.
Finally... most episodes are very reference heavy in that show. It is just that most of the time you would never get them.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 14, 2012, 07:42:05 pm
Thus, as far as writing techniques go, I'd argue that references are among the least valuable. Any form of wit is best when self contained, I'd argue, unless you're intentionally limiting your target audience to those who will "get it."
Post by: Neonivek on September 14, 2012, 10:25:23 pm
I guess what you mean Kaijyuu is whether or not the Reference is required to get the joke, or a bonus for getting the reference.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 14, 2012, 10:33:37 pm
I guess what you mean Kaijyuu is whether or not the Reference is required to get the joke, or a bonus for getting the reference.Yeah, that works.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 14, 2012, 11:00:57 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 16, 2012, 01:22:04 am
I actually think I prefer watching it on my computer... Better sound quality
Post by: kaijyuu on September 16, 2012, 01:23:22 am
Post by: Xantalos on September 16, 2012, 01:24:34 am
No commercials either!YEEEEEAAAAHHHH
Post by: Neonivek on September 16, 2012, 01:43:57 am
Does anyone have a pet peeve of when they show a character's level of athletics and they exagerate how weak and unathletic they are even though in every other episode, and sometimes the same one, they demonstrated genuin and impressive athletics?
Honestly I've seen exactly very few shows where the fact that the main character has to run away from people all the time actually became a plot point later where he became a track and field star... In another show (Kim Possible) Ron Stoppable became a runner because of his impressive dodging ability.
TWO examples... only two.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 16, 2012, 01:49:19 am
Maybe that spear he was carrying around was magic or something.
Post by: Neonivek on September 16, 2012, 01:53:35 am
Gravity Falls has a bit of that and it bugs me slightly, yeah. Apparently Dipper can take on a giant multi headed bear, but not a teenage bully.
Maybe that spear he was carrying around was magic or something.
Truthfully I figured the entire ritual was magic and if he completed it he would have transformed into a Manutaur (afterall, they are all male... they have to come from somewhere... and unlike the Gnomes there was no hint of a queen).
But... it was actually within that same episode that it was a big... "Really?" when he tried to lift a stick.
Post by: Glowcat on September 16, 2012, 01:56:43 am
Gravity Falls has a bit of that and it bugs me slightly, yeah. Apparently Dipper can take on a giant multi headed bear, but not a teenage bully.
Maybe that spear he was carrying around was magic or something.
It could just be a state of mind. Back when he took on the bear he was full of machoistic manisms.
Post by: Neonivek on September 16, 2012, 11:35:46 pm
Mind is definately
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on September 16, 2012, 11:40:37 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 21, 2012, 02:27:38 am
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The character on his back is 屁, the Chinese character for fart and butt.
I don't know why, but this makes me laugh. Woo for potty humor.
Post by: Zangi on September 21, 2012, 07:05:08 am
Main reason to never watch stuff on tv, ever again.No commercials either!YEEEEEAAAAHHHH
Post by: MrWiggles on September 21, 2012, 07:59:35 am
Post by: Zangi on September 21, 2012, 08:55:33 am
I never really understood the hate for commercials.+10 minutes of your life watching more episodes? Instead of two 30 minute episodes, you can watch three! Well, you get the idea?
Post by: MrWiggles on September 21, 2012, 08:58:39 am
I like the show, and its content creators, and since its unlikely I'll buy merchandise, the only way possible to support him watching some commercials.I never really understood the hate for commercials.+10 minutes of your life watching more episodes? Instead of two 30 minute episodes, you can watch three! Well, you get the idea?
Post by: kaijyuu on September 21, 2012, 11:39:29 am
If you wanna support creators, send them a check in the mail.
Post by: Zangi on September 21, 2012, 11:42:59 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 21, 2012, 11:54:45 am
I think the All You Can Eat/Shoryuken joke would be the hardest to get if you didn't know the reference. Or the Soviet Union thing, considering the target audience.
Post by: Neonivek on September 21, 2012, 11:59:08 am
The taco thing in Fight Fighters was a reference? I just thought it was a dumb power up joke. Still funny.
I think the All You Can Eat/Shoryuken joke would be the hardest to get if you didn't know the reference. Or the Soviet Union thing, considering the target audience.
Yeah but what helps is that you didn't have to know almost any of the references to find the episode funny or good.
Though Dipper certainly has a lot of "Being a man" episodes. I am starting to think the show actually has one protagonist instead of two (that being Dipper... instead of Mable).
Post by: kaijyuu on September 21, 2012, 12:00:41 pm
As for Mabel, I noticed a lack of her too. Going by the titles of upcoming episodes I don't think that will change either.
Post by: Neonivek on September 21, 2012, 12:05:47 pm
She did get two episodes to herself but one of them was probably one of the worst "Just be yourself" episodes I ever seen... heck it felt like the ENTIRE purpose of that episode was just for Dipper (actually both ended up seemingly used just to aid Dipper's story)
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 21, 2012, 05:53:31 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 21, 2012, 11:31:37 pm
Yeah, I'm starting to get annoyed at Mabel being forced into a secondary role. I don't think her crazy really prevents her from getting character development, as that's just more of her antics rather than her whole personality.
Which is weird because she has a personality. She is fun loving, kind, unattentive, imaginative, and she handles stress by escaping.
Which is why she handles stress that requires her to be focused and attentive badly.
I think the reason then she is forced into the secondary role is because the most obvious character development for Mabel (maturity) would actually destroy what they want to do with her (random crazyness)
Post by: Glowcat on September 22, 2012, 01:01:46 am
Although Mabel could still develop while retaining her silliness. It's just a bit harder to pull off with comedy focused characters because it removes them from their strength. On the other hand, it also helps avoid flanderization and might be necessary for long-term appeal.
Post by: Neonivek on September 22, 2012, 04:21:36 am
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might be necessary for long-term appeal
Watching the show gives me the impression that it isn't actually meant to be a very long show.
Post by: Xantalos on September 22, 2012, 04:25:10 am
Post by: Neonivek on September 22, 2012, 04:31:18 am
Anybody remember that one show Xaolin Showdown? I remember it actually being not bad.
It was good but in my oppinion it actually got worse as it went on.
Post by: Xantalos on September 22, 2012, 04:38:57 am
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Post by: Putnam on September 22, 2012, 10:01:41 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 23, 2012, 01:27:48 pm
I liked it, except by the time I got into it it had already ended so the channel it was on was just completely airing it out of order.
My goodness that must suck... I realise that the show can be pretty episodic and sometimes they BARELY come up with excuses to use their new artifacts (sometimes they don't even have an excuse)... but it had continuity.
Anything to get out of purely episodic shows...
Post by: Neonivek on September 25, 2012, 08:43:15 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 28, 2012, 02:54:14 pm
http://www.hulu.com/watch/403318#i0,p0,s23,d0
A new (ish) Simpsons that isn't stuck in mediocrity? Color me impressed.
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Post by: Ultimuh on September 28, 2012, 02:59:46 pm
http://www.hulu.com/watch/403318#i0,p0,s23,d0
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"We're sorry, currently our video library can only be
streamed within the United States."
How many times have this message not been the bane of my enjoyment?
Post by: kaijyuu on September 28, 2012, 03:21:52 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on September 28, 2012, 03:27:42 pm
Post by: Xantalos on September 28, 2012, 05:19:49 pm
They will burn in my ice pit for that.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/403318#i0,p0,s23,d0Quote"We're sorry, currently our video library can only be
streamed within the United States."
How many times have this message not been the bane of my enjoyment?
Post by: Sergius on September 28, 2012, 05:25:56 pm
And how am I supposed to get that while I live in Sweden?
Um, the proxy is in the US so that you don't have to be... that's the whole point.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 29, 2012, 03:46:20 am
Mysterious hinting! I love that!
$10 says there's an actual invisible wizard at some point in the future.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 29, 2012, 04:47:01 am
Post by: kaijyuu on September 29, 2012, 04:48:09 am
Post by: MrWiggles on September 29, 2012, 01:45:09 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on September 29, 2012, 01:49:40 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 29, 2012, 01:51:23 pm
Anime.. dubbed? Count me out, I much preffer subbing.
You know there are animes dubbed much better in english then in Japanese.
Post by: Sirus on September 29, 2012, 02:03:01 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 29, 2012, 03:56:40 pm
Indeed. Though that's more a discussion for the anime thread.Anime.. dubbed? Count me out, I much preffer subbing.
You know there are animes dubbed much better in english then in Japanese.
The site I linked hosts a bunch of animated stuff, not just anime. I watched Mystery Incorporated on it too.
I liked the last episode of Gravity Falls, but I didnt like that finding the crystals of shape changing was barely handled.Ah yeah that bugged me too that he found it with no effort. IMO would've been better if he just went for a walk and found it randomly, same as in Dipper vs Manliness. But oh well, not a huge problem.
Post by: Neonivek on September 29, 2012, 06:03:56 pm
Yet it is somehow secret.
Why is the supernatural not world known?
Post by: MrWiggles on September 29, 2012, 07:41:07 pm
Basically... Gravity Falls is starting to become a lot like Sunny Dale in the sense that the place is CLEARLY supernatural... Openly... easy to find
Yet it is somehow secret.
Why is the supernatural not world known?
This is my biggest gripe with any urban contemporary fantasy. Generally it pisses me and I find it insulting.
But with Gravity Fall, we havent seen them actually deny that the world is super natural around them. Only Gruncle Stan has denied it, but we know that Stan is not what he seems.
Post by: Neonivek on October 01, 2012, 08:00:26 pm
I WISH the creators would just wave their hands and go "Ok, things can go differently here then it did in the movies". There are soo many points where I go "Well this is pointless because we know what is going to happen" or I go "Well they are going to lose because they are against someone who was alive in the show" (It gets ESPECIALLY painful when someone gets a painful victory only for it to be reversed because "Well the movies couldn't happen otherwise")
Usually a Prequil works if it is about something else or if it is about the details that went into it before the main continuity.
However neither of those works because we know exactly what happens and the series is too long for it to be a short interspective.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 01, 2012, 08:15:51 pm
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 08:21:05 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 01, 2012, 08:22:26 pm
Assuming you're talking about the older cartoon instead of the (imho) rubbish CGI series, I believe you're right.
Sorry I am refering to the CGI rubbish.
The Older Cartoon was perfectly fine. If anything it was better then the 3rd movie.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 01, 2012, 08:24:08 pm
And I believe most star wars fans agree the old cartoon was better than all of the prequels.
Post by: Neonivek on October 01, 2012, 08:25:20 pm
Ohh how painful it was to watch how easily some of the series greatest villains killed in such pathetic ways.
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 08:27:05 pm
/me is one of the few Star Wars fans who found the prequel movie series at least tolerable.
Post by: Neonivek on October 01, 2012, 08:29:22 pm
It was like the third was made out of disapointment.
Even if you ENTIRELY ignored the movies that weren't the prequils the third kills the prequil series simply by being incompetent storywise.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 01, 2012, 08:34:39 pm
#1 was stupid entertainment. #2 is plain boring. #3 was badly written but you could at least get the gist of what they were trying to do.
Post by: Neonivek on October 01, 2012, 08:36:16 pm
/me actually liked the third best.
#1 was stupid entertainment. #2 is plain boring. #3 was badly written but you could at least get the gist of what they were trying to do.
I guess what hurt the third for me was that I had expectations (or rather investment)... and I am not being sarcastic
If I had no disapointments, if I absolutely did not care about the story or weight of the story... it would have worked.
It wouldn't be disapointing death after disapointing death.
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 08:38:21 pm
Especially the space battles. Realism be damned, I still nerd out when watching the Battle of Endor and can quote many of the lines verbatim :P
Post by: RedWarrior0 on October 01, 2012, 08:46:38 pm
I believe this was brought up in some thread over here. Basically, if you actually acknowledge the prequels as a thing, watch in IV, V, II, III, VI order. And do something entertaining with Phantom Menace.
Anyways, isn't this drifting a little off topic? Although, come to think about it, talking about the prequels is pretty much talking about Western animation.
Post by: Neonivek on October 01, 2012, 08:48:59 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 01, 2012, 08:49:33 pm
Although, come to think about it, talking about the prequels is pretty much talking about Western animation.D'oh ho ho :P
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 08:49:40 pm
/me is an unabashed SW nerd
Problem is I can't think of any Western Animation I've seen lately, unless web animation counts.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 01, 2012, 08:50:46 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 01, 2012, 08:56:13 pm
Sure my channels get all the same shows except WAAAAY slower... It shown the first 5 episodes of Adventure time for months now (actually 3) or are at insane timeslots.
Add in that I don't like a lot of the shows you guys do (Hate almost ALL Adult Swim shows, don't like Flapjack, find Adventure time boring most of the time)
Then add in that I like some shows you don't like: Johny Test, Fineas and Ferb
Then add in all the shows I am sure you would like but that I am luke warm about: League of Super Evil,
Or shows that are simply long since over
It doesn't help me striking up conversation.
I've seen the first episode of the new Ninja Turtles and my feelings on the show is... VERY mixed. Mind you it probably is because Donatelo is my favorite character and this show REALLY doesn't have Donatelo anymore at least in character (His character was perfected in the 2000 cartoon) turning him into, I don't know what. They were also surprisingly competent and incompetent often chosing to fight enemies they didn't need to fight. It could be a decent show but it could also be terrible.
Post by: Furtuka on October 01, 2012, 09:18:38 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 01, 2012, 09:47:19 pm
I was under the impression Phineas and Ferb are rather beloved?
And what can you really say about the show?
I always feel like I am the only one who is even interested in looking at something closer, taking it appart, and finding new things about any show. So I just keep it to myself.
I really take what I watch seriously.
Post by: Old Bones on October 01, 2012, 09:53:45 pm
Post by: RedKing on October 02, 2012, 02:44:58 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 02, 2012, 02:50:21 pm
Saw ParaNorman the other day. Better than expected. Little bit intense for younger kids.
Kids are not stupid man :P
Post by: RedKing on October 02, 2012, 03:06:56 pm
Didn't say that they were. Just a bit heavy on some of the scary moments. I know MY kids wouldn't be able to handle it.Saw ParaNorman the other day. Better than expected. Little bit intense for younger kids.
Kids are not stupid man :P
Post by: Neonivek on October 02, 2012, 03:08:17 pm
Post by: Furtuka on October 02, 2012, 04:36:17 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 03, 2012, 07:20:39 am
*blinks* just found out Young Justice hiatus ended last weekend. Imma gonna go watch ze new episode
My channels don't even get Young Justice... but even if it did I bet it would only show the first five episodes... Like Adventure time.
Post by: Levi on October 03, 2012, 10:24:44 am
*blinks* just found out Young Justice hiatus ended last weekend. Imma gonna go watch ze new episode
It was a good one too. :)
Post by: kaijyuu on October 03, 2012, 10:27:33 am
Huh, looks interesting! I haven't seen a superhero show in a while so I might give it a whirl later.
Post by: MrWiggles on October 03, 2012, 10:30:09 am
The other thing I liked was the reference to the first Superman Movie.
Post by: Neonivek on October 03, 2012, 03:35:49 pm
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or make him suffer from impotence
In that comics defense, the one you are refering to, stress can make you temporarily impotent.
If they were trying to express his stress and how he can't get rid of his stress... good
However likely they were just trying to drag his character through the mud to get to the already predetermined ending.
Post by: MrWiggles on October 03, 2012, 03:41:34 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 03, 2012, 03:44:40 pm
It was used terribly, but overall that comic storyline was crappy.
Which is what I meant... and yeah it was REALLY terrible.
Also why and how Green Arrow got arrested is beyond me.
Post by: Furtuka on October 03, 2012, 05:01:03 pm
Holy crap it's Slade/Deathstroke and Static! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxkrsLinIA0&feature=related)
Post by: MrWiggles on October 03, 2012, 05:05:20 pm
I never read the teen titan comics, so I am only familiar with Slade form the Teen Titan tv series. And Slade was fucking awesome there.
Post by: Neonivek on October 03, 2012, 05:09:21 pm
Slade and Deathstrike are sorta different. Slade is DEFINATELY based off of Deathstroke but their motivations and methods are largely different.
Post by: Sirus on October 03, 2012, 05:13:04 pm
Post by: Furtuka on October 03, 2012, 05:16:44 pm
I do know Slade from Teen Titans though, and he was awesome!
Post by: Levi on October 03, 2012, 05:34:47 pm
Post by: Furtuka on October 03, 2012, 05:41:06 pm
Post by: Levi on October 03, 2012, 05:44:52 pm
Well not sure if its the next episode. The preview was actually for the whole rest of the season
Either way, still cool. :)
Post by: Sirus on October 03, 2012, 05:49:03 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 03, 2012, 09:36:49 pm
Looking at the trailer, I'm gonna say it's Deathstroke. Mostly because of the sword, but I don't really have a clue :P
To my knowledge the comics never adopted Slade... so it is going to be Deathstroke.
Post by: MrWiggles on October 03, 2012, 09:56:09 pm
Looking at the trailer, I'm gonna say it's Deathstroke. Mostly because of the sword, but I don't really have a clue :P
To my knowledge the comics never adopted Slade... so it is going to be Deathstroke.
Deathstroke is Slade persona name.
Post by: Neonivek on October 03, 2012, 09:58:23 pm
Looking at the trailer, I'm gonna say it's Deathstroke. Mostly because of the sword, but I don't really have a clue :P
To my knowledge the comics never adopted Slade... so it is going to be Deathstroke.
Deathstroke is Slade persona name.
Slade was created as a stand in for Deathstroke because Deathstroke was too violent for what they were trying to do.
However if you watch the show you can easily see the major differences between Slade and Deathstroke. In the end they are dramatically different in personality.
Hense the Comics never adopted Slade.
As well Slade lacks much of the Backstory of Deathstroke. Including some gaping and huge differences.
Post by: Furtuka on October 03, 2012, 10:02:33 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 03, 2012, 10:05:24 pm
Did Slade even have a backstory?
Nope. You never even really got his motivations.
Post by: Sirus on October 03, 2012, 11:52:39 pm
I really think they should introduce Slade in the comic book world. He'd make a great arch-nemesis.
Post by: Neonivek on October 04, 2012, 07:39:00 pm
So she created a test which happened to fail because a cloud spontaneously formed and struck the other rabit with lightning
Then she went "Well now that science doesn't mean anything"
And I couldn't help saying "What? That is nonsense... you PROVEN with science that bad luck exists. Why is it that people forget that science itself is method?"
Post by: Sirus on October 04, 2012, 07:47:44 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 04, 2012, 08:01:53 pm
I haven't seen anything like that myself. However, it doesn't seem like they proved anything in any way. If they repeated the test and various spontaneous misfortunes kept happening, then yes: it could be hypothesized that bad luck exists. If they only performed the test once, however, and that cloud formed out of nowhere, then it is nothing but an anomaly in the data.
Does it disprove science though if they did repeat it 100 times and got the same result of spontanious bad things happening or would it simply mean science proved the existance of bad luck?
Post by: Sirus on October 04, 2012, 08:05:53 pm
If it were a different bad thing each time, then I'm not really sure :P
In other (and kinda old) news, I started watching Legend of Korra today. I wasn't sure how well the whole 20s/30s-era vibe would work, but it seems to be holding up pretty well.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on October 04, 2012, 10:40:11 pm
Post by: Sirus on October 04, 2012, 10:41:28 pm
So, if I mentioned that I haven't seen a single episode of Avatar, would you guys disown me?...maybe a little :P
Was it just never on TV, or did you not like the look of it, or what?
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on October 04, 2012, 10:49:03 pm
Plus, like you said, I didn't ever see it on TV but that's what shady streaming sites are for, right?
You know what? I'm going to decide whether or not to watch it depending on how many people disown me over it...
This should be fun.
Post by: Sirus on October 04, 2012, 10:52:29 pm
Seriously though, it's got actual story progression, good animation and voice-acting, and I could go on but I start to feel like some snooty fan boy.
I can link you to the site I'm watching the sequel series on. It's not to shady.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 04, 2012, 10:57:39 pm
Well in that case, consider yourself disowned :P
Post by: Neonivek on October 04, 2012, 10:57:47 pm
Well in that case, consider yourself disowned :P
Seriously though, it's got actual story progression, good animation and voice-acting, and I could go on but I start to feel like some snooty fan boy.
I can link you to the site I'm watching the sequel series on. It's not to shady.
Where my interest in the new Avatar wanes is mostly in just the overall feel of it. There is something very lifeless about the setting and I have a feeling they were going for exactly that. A sort of industrial blight so to speak. It creates a sort of what I call Disquiet or somberness to the whole affair.
I definately need to watch more, but I am mostly saying that as a possible reason someone might be on the fense. It certainly doesn't feel like the first Avatar (even if Korra seems to be "What if Kitara was the Avatar?" some of the time)
Post by: Furtuka on October 04, 2012, 10:58:01 pm
Well in that case, consider yourself disowned :P
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on October 04, 2012, 11:13:19 pm
I can link you to the site I'm watching the sequel series on. It's not to shady.That'd be appreciated, my good sir.
Before I'm excommunicated from the thread, lemme throw another comic recommendation at you folks.
The New-ish Aquaman series... What? Don't give me that look. It's good.
Post by: Sirus on October 06, 2012, 01:19:53 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 06, 2012, 02:48:01 am
I just saw the Young Justice version of the joker...
While the worst joker was the one from a Batman movie where they tried to immitate the "Dark Knight" Joker and pretty much proven why the live action joker is good in live action and not in the cartoon.
I am not a fan of this one so far. He sort of lacks... Joker.
Then again given that I either had Batman Animated Series Joker, who was the perfected animated Joker, or "The Batman" Joker who became a great joker over time (but started off as... Blanka if he was a clown).
My guess? This Joker is based off of Dark Knight Joker... Why is it that everytime a show tries to make a Joker like that movie they end up bad? (Ok finished the episode... Yeah... a really bad joker)
On the bright side Young Justice actually started getting good with the characters starting to finally fall into their niches and know what they have to do.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on October 06, 2012, 07:06:40 pm
Been watching Legend of Korra past couple days...and the HSQ just keeps getting higher :oFirst series was better, IMO. Also, the advancements made in the time between Last Airbender and Korra makes one wonder: What the hell has that society been doing for the past several hundred reincarnation cycles? If it had remained in pseudo-almost medieval stasis for that long, I'd be more lenient, but seriously.
Spoiler: Last Airbender and Korra spoilers (click to show/hide)
Post by: Furtuka on October 06, 2012, 07:08:55 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 06, 2012, 07:11:52 pm
Not having the industrial revolution.
Plus with bending there is even LESS of a need for technological advancement (Making the Fire Nation the most technologically advanced nation even makes sense... As it is the least useful of the four)
Your soil no good? Earth bend it
Need Irrigation? No need, Water bend that!
Heck Livestock is fantastic super livestock and plants are super resiliant and sometimes magical.
Post by: Furtuka on October 07, 2012, 04:36:58 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 07, 2012, 08:44:27 pm
This weeks Young Justice Episode was good, though not great. Mostly set up things for later
Young Justice is honestly starting to become "Justice League minus Justice League" which I am not sure if that is amazing or not as good as I would have liked it.
When I watched Teen Titans I know I was sometimes bugged by the lack of Batman sometimes.
But when I watch this it is as close as you can get to Justice League without it actually being Justice League.
Which gives me mixed feelings of love and uncertainty. I'd love another Justice League.
Post by: Sirus on October 07, 2012, 08:47:19 pm
Oh, I liked the first one better as well. It's not like the new one is bad, though.Been watching Legend of Korra past couple days...and the HSQ just keeps getting higher :oFirst series was better, IMO. Also, the advancements made in the time between Last Airbender and Korra makes one wonder: What the hell has that society been doing for the past several hundred reincarnation cycles? If it had remained in pseudo-almost medieval stasis for that long, I'd be more lenient, but seriously.That was longer than I expected.Spoiler: Last Airbender and Korra spoilers (click to show/hide)
My impression regarding the technological advancement is that the Fire Nation just kept advancing. They already had the best tech in the first series, and there was no real reason to stop improving. Besides, we in the real-life world were stuck in a similar technological state for hundreds of years - the Avatar world was just stuck there longer.
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Post by: RedWarrior0 on October 07, 2012, 11:13:09 pm
First: from Last Airbender, Book 1, Episode 3: a heckton of Avatars.Oh, I liked the first one better as well. It's not like the new one is bad, though.Been watching Legend of Korra past couple days...and the HSQ just keeps getting higher :oFirst series was better, IMO. Also, the advancements made in the time between Last Airbender and Korra makes one wonder: What the hell has that society been doing for the past several hundred reincarnation cycles? If it had remained in pseudo-almost medieval stasis for that long, I'd be more lenient, but seriously.That was longer than I expected.Spoiler: Last Airbender and Korra spoilers (click to show/hide)
My impression regarding the technological advancement is that the Fire Nation just kept advancing. They already had the best tech in the first series, and there was no real reason to stop improving. Besides, we in the real-life world were stuck in a similar technological state for hundreds of years - the Avatar world was just stuck there longer.I think mine was longer :PSpoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Sirus on October 07, 2012, 11:27:26 pm
Re: Sozin's Comet, I'd like to see a sort of resurgence of nationalism, Fire Nation in particular. Descendants of the various nations would be demanding compensation for the various atrocities they committed, firebenders would long for the days in which they held nearly uncontested dominion over the world. And if Republic City looks a lot like early-twentieth century New York City...imagine what a pre/early World War II Avatar world would be like?
Post by: Neonivek on October 08, 2012, 01:33:50 am
The Batman
When I first saw this show I didn't hate it, it was certainly entertaining, but I disliked how it took Batman and removed all context except super exciting action sequences (It basically suffered from what Spetacular Spiderman did near the end of its run).
However as the series went on the writing improved and while it was still action packed they did focus on the characters, plot, and just the mysteries Batman would have to solve.
If I had to pick my two favorite villains from "The Batman" I would have to go with Hugo Strange and Dracula. Hugo for his inner psychology themed capers and Dracula for just being a flat out great villain in both his style, presence, and strength without being rediculously strong (For reference sake... My two favorite villains from Batman the Animated series would be The Joker and Dr. Freeze.
The series that had the exact opposite of this would be Spetacular Spiderman which started out strong but ended up devolving into constant group battles (Spiderman Versus ALL the villains was a very common theme near the end). It isn't surprising to me that it was cancelled. Mind you I wasn't glad to see it gone, I honestly believe that if it was renewed that it would have went back to its routes.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 11, 2012, 12:15:57 am
Halloween Special! And frankly, I can't complement it enough.
PS: Soos is friggin' badass.
Also the way Stan actually scared the kids is probably one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
Post by: Neonivek on October 11, 2012, 01:29:48 am
I am just glad no one is complaining that episode had too many "references kids wouldn't know" :P
Given it was HEAVILY laden with them.
Post by: Neonivek on October 13, 2012, 10:12:06 pm
What DND allignment is the Iceking?
My best guess is Chaotic Neutral.
Post by: Putnam on October 13, 2012, 11:59:54 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on October 14, 2012, 12:04:57 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 14, 2012, 01:50:39 am
I know that Finn's canonical (I.E stated within the show) alignment is Lawful Good and that Jake's is probably neutral-chaotic good, and that Flame Princess and Flame King both are evil, and that Hudson Aberdeer is Chaotic Evil.
The show really simplifies good versus evil though mind you.
A lot of the most evil creatures in the show are actually outright beneign.
And one of the most chaotic creatures are actually extremely lawful. (That episode seemed like a Satire on Chaotic kingdoms)
Also though I am one of the few people who do this... I like to say "Neutral Leaning Evil" and "Neutral Leaning Good" a lot of the time to explain characters who's motivations are not good or evil, but would chose good or evil if they had to. Ice King for example is Chaotic Neutral leaning evil. While Vampira is Chaotic Neutral leaning good.
Mind you the Ice King outright doesn't want to do any evil. He doesn't want to really hurt anyone and often seems oblivious to how he is hurting them. So "Leaning Evil" is probably not a good way to describe his leaning.
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Watching Ultimate Spiderman
Hating it and Liking it at the same time. The problem I am having is that Spiderman is so terrible most of the time.
He doesn't act like a person who was a super hero for over a year, he is acting like a kid who is being asked to clean his room. It sometimes takes a while for him to feel like Spiderman.
Ben 10 the original series for example had Ben be a very egotistical, prideful, and childish character... but when Gwen got super powers he didn't get jealous or start complaining because he been through experiences where he needed back up that just didn't exist. This is great characterisation. He isn't any less childish but he feels like an organic character. It is why a lot of people prefer the kid Ben to the Teen Ben.
Along with this there are just so few concequences in Ultimate Spiderman. He will do the most horrific and outlandish things sometimes and no one will ever speak of it again.
I don't want to go into a rant because I havn't given up on the series. I feel like it is building up to something but I just don't know to what. If this is just an episodic action series with no real story... or if it is just sleeping and waiting to hit you with story bombs.
Post by: Putnam on October 14, 2012, 12:13:49 pm
I know that Finn's canonical (I.E stated within the show) alignment is Lawful Good and that Jake's is probably neutral-chaotic good, and that Flame Princess and Flame King both are evil, and that Hudson Aberdeer is Chaotic Evil.
The show really simplifies good versus evil though mind you.
A lot of the most evil creatures in the show are actually outright beneign.
And one of the most chaotic creatures are actually extremely lawful. (That episode seemed like a Satire on Chaotic kingdoms)
Haha, yeah, I noticed that. I was thinking "the amulet fills you with Chaotic Evil? How the hell does a chaotic evil person rule anything?"
Post by: Furtuka on October 14, 2012, 02:41:50 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 14, 2012, 02:43:36 pm
Telling that both these shows are on CN. Dammit Cartoon Network, why do you suck so much.
Post by: Neonivek on October 14, 2012, 02:45:22 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on October 14, 2012, 03:18:12 pm
Post by: Furtuka on October 14, 2012, 03:31:14 pm
Post by: Remalle on October 14, 2012, 05:45:34 pm
"Dad! You killed zombie Flanders!"
"He was a zombie?"
Post by: kaijyuu on October 14, 2012, 09:35:45 pm
Best Treehouse is still the Shinning/time traveling toaster/cannibal cafeteria one.
Post by: Neonivek on October 15, 2012, 12:14:30 am
Heck The Simpson Christmas Episode where he gets Santa's little helper is practically a classic in my eyes.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 15, 2012, 12:16:57 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 15, 2012, 12:19:04 am
It's also the first episode they aired, isn't it? It's pretty good.
It was back when The Simpsons actually had heart.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 15, 2012, 12:20:37 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 15, 2012, 12:23:01 am
Some of the later stuff is good. Emphasis on "some." :P
For sure, some of the newer episodes seem to be struggling to remember what the Simpson heart was and sort of get it halfright too. It is like the Simpsons is actually starting to come full circle and is just starting to recover the sort of magic it once had, with characters who had heart and obviously loved eachother.
It is just that the frequency of good new episodes is kinda low.
Post by: MrWiggles on October 15, 2012, 12:50:52 am
And it was a good episode. With Kaldar getting brain bleached, which was unexpected but really cool. Defiantly a way to bring in the TK abuse.
Post by: Neonivek on October 15, 2012, 12:52:19 am
Just watched the last new episode of Young Justice for the year.
And it was a good episode. With Kaldar getting brain bleached, which was unexpected but really cool. Defiantly a way to bring in the TK abuse.
The second season is certainly darker and I feel it is just waiting for something.
Hopefully they will have a "Family" episode sometime. The lack of that sort of something in the first season was just kind of a weakness.
I just kinda want to see people sitting down for an extended scene and being a family.
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I will say I am looking forward to ONE fight that may or may not happen.
Red Archer Vs. Arsenal.
Post by: Aqizzar on October 22, 2012, 06:21:10 pm
Anyone want to talk about how great Adventure Time is? Season finale in ten minutes.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 22, 2012, 06:22:37 pm
/me leaves room for actual adventure time fans to talk about it.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 22, 2012, 06:54:35 pm
Just found this thread way back on Page 3.
Anyone want to talk about how great Adventure Time is? Season finale in ten minutes.
Aw man. I just caught up to the most recent episodes. "I Remember You" was incredibly sad.
Post by: Aqizzar on October 22, 2012, 07:01:43 pm
Likewise the end of the season. I hate "plots" like this, keep your developer-fanfic to yourself developers.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 22, 2012, 07:05:24 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 24, 2012, 12:33:31 am
Are completely unaware of what Science is.
The SHEER number of times I heard a "scientist" say that something "defied science" after they done a scientific test to prove said fact is staggering.
Tip: Science is not the opposite of superstition and magic. Science is a method in which one can test validity. Believe it or not Science not only can easily prove the existance of bad luck, afterall bad luck can be defined as random negative circumstances and thus it is easy to set up someone for bad luck, but if you use a scientific test to prove something like "Magic" exists then you SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN THE EXISTANCE OF MAGIC! Science has many a time found folk tales and superstition true, many of the medicines we have today, and I don't mean alternative medicine, are folk remedies.
GAWD!
I don't know why it is. This past two weeks I have seen three shows where something "Goes against science" even when it actually is being proven scientifically to exist. One proved that bad luck as a cosmic phenominon exists but came to the conclusion that it means that science is bogus and nonsense rules the universe, another proven that magical wishing fountains exist and thrown out science entirely afterwords, and another said that "Magic is science we don't know yet" and then said "No wait this IS magic because I can't explain it and I was wrong" because stupid.
I've only seen ONE show where the adamant scientist said something that wasn't incredibly stupid about science and that was an anime and it was basically that the events he was seeing was so outside his ability to understand, at the moment, that he can only conclude it is a miracle or the will of a higher power. He didn't toss away science as useless nor did he toss away the idea that what he saw couldn't be scientifically explained in the future.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 30, 2012, 01:09:48 am
So I've heard. It was pretty cute, but I still felt like I was watching it for the jokes alone really.
Likewise the end of the season. I hate "plots" like this, keep your developer-fanfic to yourself developers.
"I Remember You" felt really forced, but I like the season finale. They're trying something new but I feel like it's being executed really well.
Post by: Neonivek on November 02, 2012, 02:18:03 am
Is there anything I should know before I get started?
I am actually worried this will be incredibly stupid like most fads. With characters who are "Quirky" so people are like "Ohh boy, so quirky! a million thumbs up!" (you can tell why I don't watch popular things).
I can just picture it right now. "Hey Applejack, lets pick apples for the apple pie we are making for Sweetiepie's birthday!" and they go "Sure! but ohh no, I ate all the apples!" and then "Ohh Applejack you sure like apples. HA HA HA HA HA" and then "CATCH PHRASE!" and ohh goodness... It is the CG Strawberry shortcake cartoon all over again that I seen.
Sometimes I wonder how short some plotlines would be if the characters used common sense for a second... or how much of a non-issue some issues would be if characters actually had the ability to solve problems outside of their specialties. (Sorry I watched a cartoon recently where a problem was presented to them... I thought of several solutions and it took them most of the episode to simply do anything less then a terrible idea)
I've watched children shows where the solutions to the problem were either difficult or not immediately obvious. Heck I watched one show for children (wasn't a cartoon) which I love because the main character always sets one difficult goal at the start of every episode and actually goes out and achieves it (I have a feeling only I love it though).
I can't be the only one who has watched a storyline and went "Just do the obvious" immediately and sat through a half hour of unfunny attempts at NOT solving the problem until they found out "The obvious" was the solution. Scoobydoo actually did nice twists on this concept too where anytime they did the obvious (Not splitting up, skipping the mystery, or skipping the obviously obviously false lead) it simply didn't work... mind you I was never really critical of them, the reason they never faced the ghosts knowing it was fake was because IT IS A CRAZY PSYCHOPERSON IN A GHOST COSTUME RUN DANG IT!
Post by: MrWiggles on November 02, 2012, 02:28:06 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 02, 2012, 02:30:15 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 02, 2012, 02:32:45 am
Watch it before judging :P
You have to understand
I have a condition called "Investment" If I watch MLP:FIM I'll have to finish it.
If it is secretly terrible then I am stuck. Only INCREDIBLY offensive shows escape this. I do NOT want to be watching a "Quirky show" for a long time. Unless it is Chowder... >_> which oddly enough had the perfect ending for the show.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 02, 2012, 02:35:21 am
Post by: Telgin on November 02, 2012, 07:41:02 am
Well it's not incredibly offensive, I can guarantee that. The first season is among my Favorite Things Ever. The second season is a well written average cartoon, as Wiggles said.
This.
To be sure, not every episode was a hit for me (it was originally aimed at younger girls, maybe less so now), but as a whole I enjoyed both seasons very much.
Post by: Jervill on November 02, 2012, 09:23:18 am
I've come to the conclusion that people who write for CartoonsI absolutely hate that episode, myself.
Are completely unaware of what Science is.
The SHEER number of times I heard a "scientist" say that something "defied science" after they done a scientific test to prove said fact is staggering.
Tip: Science is not the opposite of superstition and magic. Science is a method in which one can test validity. Believe it or not Science not only can easily prove the existance of bad luck, afterall bad luck can be defined as random negative circumstances and thus it is easy to set up someone for bad luck, but if you use a scientific test to prove something like "Magic" exists then you SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN THE EXISTANCE OF MAGIC! Science has many a time found folk tales and superstition true, many of the medicines we have today, and I don't mean alternative medicine, are folk remedies.
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Post by: Telgin on November 02, 2012, 11:59:39 am
As a whole though, I do recommend at least giving the series a chance. I liked the cartoon itself plenty, but I find the fan created content to be even better. A lot of the time, anyway.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 02, 2012, 06:48:48 pm
I love me some MLP:FIM or Scooby-Doo though, and I'm somewhat interested in the actual process of animation and examples of it, so the future contents of this thread seem promising.
Post by: Neonivek on November 02, 2012, 08:14:25 pm
Also nevermind that is entirely unfair... since I cannot think of many that did that.
Hmm... but either way I don't consider us out of the dark ages just yet.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 02, 2012, 08:16:06 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 02, 2012, 08:19:23 pm
People say "cartoons suck nowadays" but really, they sucked just as bad when they were kids. We just remember the good stuff, like Batman the Animated Series, and Gummi Bears, and Tail Spin, and Animaniacs, etc etc etc. In 20 years people will be looking back and wondering why cartoons aren't as good as Gravity Falls, MLP:FiM, Adventure Time, etc.
I don't consider us officially outside the "Dark days of cartoons" until we have a good kids cartoon that isn't a comedy or Super Hero show or for really young children that reaches some level of popularity.Avatar.
Post by: Neonivek on November 02, 2012, 08:26:25 pm
Basically a lot of great shows ended their run at around the 2000s, a lot at once, without a lot of great content to replace it. Nuking entire genres of cartoons for years. Add in immitations of those shows without the heart that ran them and you pretty much see why things got so bad there.
As well there started to be an increased demand of life action over animation. So many of the companies who made cartoons got into making live action. (Not to mention an EXTREME oversaturation of comedy)
There is probably some other things involved but simply speaking it was basically a "Animation depression"
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Most people consider the "dark days" of children's cartoons to be anything made after they got too old for children's cartoons
I consider it to be sort of post 2000s where the general quality of cartoons dropped like a rock. a 10 year period of almost nothing.
We are starting the outswing now, but I am not banking on us being "out" just yet.
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In 20 years people will be looking back and wondering why cartoons aren't as good as Gravity Falls, MLP:FiM, Adventure Time, etc
Good thing I am fair and only attribute the Dark Ages as the period after 2000 until 2010 and don't consider the 80s inferior in anyway shape or form.
Post by: Furtuka on November 02, 2012, 08:27:46 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 02, 2012, 08:31:19 pm
Powerpuff girls
Courage the Cowardly Dog
Ed Edd and Eddy
Dexter's Lab
Invader Zim (yes I know it was canceled)
Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends
Spongebob
Etc
(could be fuzzy on some of the exact dates for those)
Post by: Neonivek on November 02, 2012, 08:32:11 pm
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Avatar.
Let me check wikipedia.
Too late in the Dark Ages. It was definately one of the pushes out, but it has to be a cartoon from 2011-2012.
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Mid 00s stuff:
Powerpuff girls
Courage the Cowardly Dog
Ed Edd and Eddy
Dexter's Lab
Invader Zim (yes I know it was canceled)
Etc
Ahh yes, All Comedies.
Also don't forget Johnny Bravo, Spongebob Squarepants, and I think there are a few more.
Also Invader Zim is a good example since it was Cancelled because its demographic wasn't children it was adults.
Plus as non-comedies there was Justice League and Justice League of America.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 02, 2012, 08:34:03 pm
You're asking for a dramatic kid's cartoon that isn't a superhero show? You'll be hard pressed to find one of those in any time period. And most of the borderline cases are comedies (Duck Tales, etc).
Post by: Telgin on November 02, 2012, 08:34:09 pm
Most people consider the "dark days" of children's cartoons to be anything made after they got too old for children's cartoons.
Quoted for truth.
Post by: Neonivek on November 02, 2012, 08:35:11 pm
My my my, aren't we picky :P
You're asking for a dramatic kid's cartoon that isn't a superhero show? You'll be hard pressed to find one of those in any time period. And most of the borderline cases are comedies (Duck Tales, etc).
Dear goodness... Aladin.
Done... and that wasn't even all that amazing of a show.
Hmm one for the 80s? Hmmm... Transformers.
*Wipes off hands*
Well that was easy :P
Post by: kaijyuu on November 02, 2012, 08:36:28 pm
Great, we've found two. Three if I can throw in Tail Spin. Four with Avatar.
Not many over a 20 year period. Not just the period you're talking about.
Post by: Neonivek on November 02, 2012, 08:37:10 pm
Reboot too.
Great, we've found two. Three if I can throw in Tail Spin. Four with Avatar.
Not many over a 20 year period. Not just the period you're talking about.
I should probably limit the dark ages as 2000-2005
"Great, we've found two. Three if I can throw in Tail Spin. Four with Avatar"
It is easy to come up with many more. The "Every show MUST be a comedy" is relatively recent and very old. Sort of a parabola where 80s is the minimum (I mean goodness... I think of every really popular 80s cartoon and almost NONE of them are Comedies. I mean there were and many of them are REALLY corny to the point of being comedies today, but still)
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 02, 2012, 10:59:31 pm
these are the things I find in long-ass gaps between episodes
Post by: kaijyuu on November 02, 2012, 11:03:03 pm
If you've got a place where people are showing off gravity falls fan music, I'd love to hear about it :D
Post by: Neonivek on November 02, 2012, 11:05:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8rVO4t3JvI&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8rVO4t3JvI&feature=plcp)
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 02, 2012, 11:18:21 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 02, 2012, 11:23:10 pm
I shall keep an eye on that.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 03, 2012, 11:16:17 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 03, 2012, 11:18:53 pm
Has anyone else seen Wreck-It Ralph? It reminded me of an extended version of Fight Fighters. Just as well-written, just as good of a mix of original humor and references, but several times as long.
I am scared to watch it because the people who wrote it both know and do not know what videogames are.
Given that one of my biggest hobbies is videogames you can understand my frieght.
especially in light that the vast majority of "movies about videogames" are either terrible or SO anti-videogame that they just don't know what a videogame is.
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Ohh my... I have only watched like two minutes of MLP... and WOW is it offensively girly.
and oddly enough 2 minutes 20 seconds... and the girly factor drops like a rock. It seems more like those elements were leftover.
Ohh come on! I know I was worried about there being too many quirky characters... but so far there are none!
6 minutes in and already unfortunate concequences of somewhat slavey situations and someone who should know better not knowing better.
First continuity error 9 minutes in.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 03, 2012, 11:54:41 pm
Despite people's fears from the "When did video games become so violent?" line in the trailer, that's just a throwaway joke. There's no anti-gaming whatsoever. It treats video games the same way Toy Story treats toys. Which is a small strike against its originality, but a tiny gripe overall.
Post by: Neonivek on November 04, 2012, 12:01:04 am
Also I find it interesting that MLP:FIM world would be a absolute nightmare for me to live in.
I've noticed that about some settings.
Mind you I am speaking about the "In your face" Social Butterfly nature of the world. As someone who actually prefers to be alone most of the time and actually finds too much extended personal time to be stressful... a world where people go out of their way to spend time with you sounds nightmarish. Add that it seems to imply that being intrapersonal is a bad thing and well...
It reminds me a bit of Fairytale in that regard. I love that anime but even I admit that I would be absolutely miserable there.
"that's just a throwaway joke"
I am glad.
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Ohh goodness I am so on Purple Pony's side that I am dreading the point of the cartoon where she will have to conform and transform into a social zombie so badly... because at this point I feel her pain soo bad.
I know what side the cartoon is going to go with. It sure as heck isn't going to be the person who just wants to be left alone who is otherwise very polite and has an important goal and is otherwise driven. No it is going to be with the very rude in your face ponies who constantly impose upon her and the lesson will be about "appreciating your friends" or something.
Please MLP prove me wrong... prove to me that you actually have the dimension to know when people are, through good intentions, actually being quite terrible.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 04, 2012, 12:10:56 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 04, 2012, 12:13:03 am
The show actually touches on some of the "in your face friendliness" you're complaining about (much later though, in season 2). That episode ends with the moral of "some people want to be left alone, so don't pressure them."
also is Princess Celestia an actual princess or is this one of those "Queen Princess" situations?
Post by: kaijyuu on November 04, 2012, 12:14:15 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 04, 2012, 12:19:37 am
But I cant say I don't smile everytime I groan. There is a lot of charm in just how terrible it can be sometimes.
I know I probably shouldn't be saying that given that people here like it for all the intentional reasons... but this show is like looking into a nightmare realm for me.
"Hey House Warming Party the day you just flew in! ROCKEN VERSION!"
ARE YOU NUTS!?! You are a terrible person Pinkie Pie!
"Welcome to Equestria!"
So... the land is litterally called Horse land huh?
"Welcome to Pony Ville"
I see. So offensively girly this is.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 04, 2012, 12:23:47 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 04, 2012, 12:29:05 am
Haha, dude, no militant bronies here. Feel free to rip it to shreds if you don't like it.
Thanks.
Oddly enough the show has already devolved into "You should know better" territory of the extreme type.
Look this was exactly what I didn't want to happen. Kaijyuu, why did the show devolve into extreme "You should know better" territory in two episodes? You said this was beyond it!
Post by: kaijyuu on November 04, 2012, 12:33:26 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 04, 2012, 12:36:35 am
"You should know better"? Dude, the show is absolutely filled to the brim with morals. Of course characters are going to learn lessons.
Not talking about morals I am talking about flagrant stupidity. Characters needing to learn something they didn't know and characters not knowing something they should know are two different things.
"Ohh where did you get that book?"
"It was under the letter E"
really... this is going to be the show isn't it?
"Ohh no monster! I'll stop it by jumping infront of its most deadly attack! good thing this was a children's cartoon or else this idea, that I should know better about, would have got me killed"
You all deserve to be DEAD!
"I am the Antagonist!... ohh who cares anymore"
Why!?! Why does this exist?
Post by: Glowcat on November 04, 2012, 12:58:45 am
Has anyone else seen Wreck-It Ralph? It reminded me of an extended version of Fight Fighters. Just as well-written, just as good of a mix of original humor and references, but several times as long.
Yes and it was an enjoyable film, although I did get nerd-annoyed by how it treated game code. But it seems silly to argue about that given the presence of AIs who travel in power cords and live inside arcade machines.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 04, 2012, 07:24:20 am
"You should know better"? Dude, the show is absolutely filled to the brim with morals. Of course characters are going to learn lessons.
Not talking about morals I am talking about flagrant stupidity. Characters needing to learn something they didn't know and characters not knowing something they should know are two different things.
"Ohh where did you get that book?"
"It was under the letter E"
really... this is going to be the show isn't it?
I don't have much to say to defend this, really. I don't remember exactly where this scene is (first episode? second episode?) but yeah, I can agree that at times there's moments that make me want to smack my forehead. Take it with a grain of salt, though, since the first season was originally made and intended for the "young girl" demographic. The team didn't know the show would become such a hit. To be fair though, I think that some people may find moments like these to be a part of the show's charm.
Season 2 gets better about these "cringing moments", in my opinion.
"Ohh no monster! I'll stop it by jumping infront of its most deadly attack! good thing this was a children's cartoon or else this idea, that I should know better about, would have got me killed"
You all deserve to be DEAD!
Action movies and scenes like that always have bits like this that seem beyond logical reasoning.
"I am the Antagonist!... ohh who cares anymore"
Why!?! Why does this exist?
I don't recall anything like this from the show. Assuming this is referencing to Nightmare Moon?
Generally, it helps to remember the MST3K Mantra. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MST3KMantra)
Post by: kaijyuu on November 04, 2012, 08:57:13 am
Honestly I find these moments rather realistic. A stressed out person is rather likely to make such a silly mistake, and of course our local happy go lucky person will find the obvious solution."You should know better"? Dude, the show is absolutely filled to the brim with morals. Of course characters are going to learn lessons.
Not talking about morals I am talking about flagrant stupidity. Characters needing to learn something they didn't know and characters not knowing something they should know are two different things.
"Ohh where did you get that book?"
"It was under the letter E"
really... this is going to be the show isn't it?
I don't have much to say to defend this, really. I don't remember exactly where this scene is (first episode? second episode?) but yeah, I can agree that at times there's moments that make me want to smack my forehead. Take it with a grain of salt, though, since the first season was originally made and intended for the "young girl" demographic. The team didn't know the show would become such a hit. To be fair though, I think that some people may find moments like these to be a part of the show's charm.
Season 2 gets better about these "cringing moments", in my opinion.
Not many shows capture people being organically illogical.
Post by: Theoboldi on November 04, 2012, 09:32:38 am
"You should know better"? Dude, the show is absolutely filled to the brim with morals. Of course characters are going to learn lessons.
Not talking about morals I am talking about flagrant stupidity. Characters needing to learn something they didn't know and characters not knowing something they should know are two different things.
"Ohh where did you get that book?"
"It was under the letter E"
really... this is going to be the show isn't it?
I don't have much to say to defend this, really. I don't remember exactly where this scene is (first episode? second episode?) but yeah, I can agree that at times there's moments that make me want to smack my forehead. Take it with a grain of salt, though, since the first season was originally made and intended for the "young girl" demographic. The team didn't know the show would become such a hit. To be fair though, I think that some people may find moments like these to be a part of the show's charm.
Add me to those people. It's really one of those shows where it's partly genuine enjoyment and partly laughing at its corniness. It wouldn't be the same without those moments. Anyway, why are we allowed to talk about that show again?
Anyway, the reason I came here is because I spent the last few days watching the entirety of justice league unlimited for the first time. Plotholes aside, I loved it. The fights were fun to watch, the stories were as cheesy as usual for comics, and now I have about 24 different favorite super heroes.
Too bad the final ended on such an anticlimatic Deus Ex Machina and that so many plots weren't really resolved.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on November 04, 2012, 09:36:18 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 04, 2012, 09:44:15 am
Anyway, why are we allowed to talk about that show again?Oh, right >.>
Keep the MLP discussion technical. I'm fine with Neo's analysis but if we wanna really debate stuff, take it to the offsite pony forum.
/me points at signature.
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Anyway, the reason I came here is because I spent the last few days watching the entirety of justice league unlimited for the first time. Plotholes aside, I loved it. The fights were fun to watch, the stories were as cheesy as usual for comics, and now I have about 24 different favorite super heroes.Fuck yes, awesome series. Season 4 (or 2, if just counting unlimited) is incredible. Season 3's okay (and contains probably my favorite episode -- the one with Flash, Batman, and Orion) but not quite as good.
Too bad the final ended on such an anticlimatic Deus Ex Machina and that so many plots weren't really resolved.
Post by: Neonivek on November 04, 2012, 10:19:39 am
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Assuming this is referencing to Nightmare Moon?
Yeah I found it very odd that she was the antagonist at all if all she needed was a smack and a "Look, just stop being evil will ya?"
Admittingly I think there was more going on then the show shown (unless... this is just one of those "Look, lets just end this plotline" situations)
Also WOW did Princess Celestia's plan require A LOT to actually work. The sheer bulk of coincidence required was practically psychic.
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The fights were fun to watch
At the time when I was watching JLA I was watching a lot of anime and was sick and tired of "Will battles". It was actually very refreshing to me.
Post by: Sirus on November 04, 2012, 05:30:09 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 04, 2012, 06:59:36 pm
*googles Wreck-It Ralph*
*sees this trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q6DDm-3urE)*
Holy cow man. Dat animation...those references!...powered armor and sci-fi alien shooters and laser effects?! HNNNNNNNNNG---they had me at Bowser, Clyde, and Eggman at the BAD-ANON meeting. The rest of the trailer just further sucked me in.
EDIT:derped the link. curse this cold!
Post by: Furtuka on November 04, 2012, 07:00:45 pm
Post by: Sirus on November 04, 2012, 08:23:19 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 04, 2012, 08:24:07 pm
Your link is missing a few bits of itself :P
I was blinded by the mass of nerdy awesome.
Post by: Telgin on November 05, 2012, 03:06:35 am
Haha, dude, no militant bronies here. Feel free to rip it to shreds if you don't like it.
Telgin cancels incite riot: can't find pitchfork.
Just kidding. :)
Yeah, as I noted not every episode was a hit for me, and it didn't really catch on for me with the first two episodes. The intro made me cringe, as I'm sure it did for most viewers. I managed to get reasonably interested by the third or fourth episode, but the fandom is what really drew me into the series and let me look past the initial wave of girliness. One of the pony threads on this board is what really did it for me. The cute/sad pictures really sucked me in for some reason.
I also agree with the earlier sentiment that part of the charm is the corniness that seeps up from time to time. I've remarked before that I'd love to see a much darker MLP, but as has been pointed out to me a lot of the charm is the fact that it's not dark like that.
Anyway, getting off the pony train before it ends up drawing us along on a ride that ends up with passenger casualties and Toady getting involved, I'm reasonably interested in Wreck-It Ralph. I fear my inner nerd would nitpick it apart though, especially if it got things obviously wrong in a game I'm a fan of.
Post by: Glowcat on November 05, 2012, 03:32:51 am
Anyway, getting off the pony train before it ends up drawing us along on a ride that ends up with passenger casualties and Toady getting involved, I'm reasonably interested in Wreck-It Ralph. I fear my inner nerd would nitpick it apart though, especially if it got things obviously wrong in a game I'm a fan of.
The games most of the action takes place in and main characters are all original (with some obvious influences). There are plenty of references, especially to older games, and humor that plays off them but there's still a plotline/story that takes most of the focus and was itself rather good in my opinion. If you're going to catch a movie at all this season I'd recommend this one.
Post by: Neonivek on November 08, 2012, 08:46:21 pm
It was rather painful and I understand why.
They basically reverse a LOT of what happened in the movie including
-1) Hiccup is no longer considered an adult (Even though that whole ritual IS a ritual meant to signify that you are an adult)
-2) Hiccup is untrusting of his father, again...
-3) Everyone basically forgot everything about what happened in that movie.
-4) Dragons were let to run around but weren't actually adopted by the populous... essentially making them more like vermin.
-5) SEVERAL IQ drops... In fact Dragons drop from being Semi-intelligent (if not fully intelligent) back to animal intelligence.
The problem I have is it sort of reverses a lot of what happens in that movie.. and even what happened before.
Honestly what is with TV show continuations of movies and basically ignoring the movie they are based on in order to create conflict?
The second episode is weird too... It is an entire episode of GREAT ideas that don't work because the characters involved arn't the same characters from the movie so to speak (With HUGE IQ drops). It even had a great premise too.
I don't know how to describe it as it is the ONLY time I ever seen this happen in a show. Where there is a great premise for an episode and the characters suggest nothing but GREAT ideas that should work but don't because they show keeps inventing flaws the character never had before.
Instead of being vague I'll just say what happens.
The Blacksmith from the movie basically has no job now that there are no more dragons to kill and the premise of the episode is that Hiccup is trying to find him something to do. It actually makes a lot of sense and is a good set up. Afterall we are dealing with someone whos livelyhood and what they love to do is taken away from them (even though they forget he can make more then weapons and thus could find work doing non-weapons... but yeah they stupified him). The first idea is that he could be an aid for the Chief, which is a great idea, but he was turned into a baffoon so it didn't work. Their second idea was to use his knowledge of dragons for the academy, a great idea afterall other then Hiccup no one knows more about dragons then he does, but again he is stupid now so it doesn't work. Then they come up with the plan of actually using his skills and having him make saddles something he MORE then should be able to do and he still fails.
It is like the episode is INVENTING reasons why he cannot possibly succeed.
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Now as far as the show itself is concerned with respect to its OWN merits... to the point where I'll just pretend the movie never happened (and you might as well given all the changes they made)
It is an alright thing to watch if it is on TV. It sort of lacks anything really special to make you want to go out and watch it.
It doesn't really explore dragons too much, it doesn't explore characters too much (Episode 2 is essentially retconned immediately), It doesn't explore or flesh out the setting too much, the action is weak, and most of the characters are just incredibly stupid and confound every single issue, and the drama is artificial and forced.
In otherwords it is just your standard everyday mediocre cartoon that somehow features dragons. It isn't that I am surprised it is that... well... this show done right could have been kinda cool. Maybe I kinda wanted a cool dragon training cartoon. >_>
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 08, 2012, 11:05:35 pm
The book's universe to me seemed much glummer and grimmer, but also fairly ridiculous. Many of the characters stink of fish or are ugly, or stupid, or obnoxiously incompetently corrupt. Almost everyone seemed to be scumbags, and Hiccup is just that one guy who suffered the blunt of it. The movie was just too jarringly cheerful and hopeful that I just don't like it.
Add that to the fact that shows based off movies never seem to work well. Now add this to the fact it's basically a tv series based off a movie that's based off a book series. I think there's just too much travel between the author to the movie producers to the show producers and as a result much of the concept's material is lost in translation.
Post by: kaenneth on November 08, 2012, 11:08:59 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 08, 2012, 11:12:28 pm
Also oddly enough I had completely forgotten it was based off a book even when I watched the movie.
Though it certainly explains why all the dragons seem A LOT like cats... I always thought that was just a cheap tactic to make the dragons more adorable... apperantly that was in the original book too.
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Add that to the fact that shows based off movies never seem to work well. Now add this to the fact it's basically a tv series based off a movie that's based off a book series. I think there's just too much travel between the author to the movie producers to the show producers and as a result much of the concept's material is lost in translation
Look it ONLY had to do one thing right and that was Dragons.
It didn't do that.
It isn't like the Kung Fu Panda cartoon where they had to string along a stupid comic relief character (Dang it Po! You are SOOO annoying!) and require everyone else to be worse to balance it out and thus it was doomed at the start. (Mind you... that show sucks because it just isn't a good show period. It really does NOTHING right)
Post by: kaijyuu on November 08, 2012, 11:22:28 pm
Haven't seen the TV series though. First two movies are awesome, and I can't wait for the third.
Post by: Neonivek on November 08, 2012, 11:24:07 pm
I fucking love Kung Fu Panda :(
Haven't seen the TV series though. First two movies are awesome, and I can't wait for the third.
I can say with absolute certainty... that the TV show actually has the ability to retroactively make you hate the movies just by seeing it.
It is that dull and boring and annoying. I suggest it to no one. Unless you like watching EVERYONE be dumber then Po.
Post by: Furtuka on November 11, 2012, 01:10:06 am
Edit: Er... Meant to post in another topic. Ah well close enough
Post by: kaijyuu on November 11, 2012, 03:07:46 am
I'd definitely consider a 3d animated movie to be "western animation." So yes, close enough :)
Post by: Neonivek on November 11, 2012, 04:07:08 am
What other topic? The happy thread? xD
I'd definitely consider a 3d animated movie to be "western animation." So yes, close enough :)
Maybe it was supposed to go in "Nitpicks that ruined movies"
Not sure how.
Post by: Furtuka on November 11, 2012, 11:24:51 am
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 11, 2012, 02:44:17 pm
I didn't really enjoy all the songs that just came out of nowhere during the episode. One moment they're talking, the next it's suddenly a musical. The design of the Crystal Empire was pretty neat, from a aesthetic point of view, but there wasn't much explanation for the new villain, and the ending just seemed sudden and without closure.
The Crystal Fair song was cool though. The Empire's design really reminds me of Saruman's tower of Isengard, heh.
Spoiler: Saruman approves of the Crystal Empire! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Theoboldi on November 11, 2012, 02:57:37 pm
So I watched the season 3 premiere of MLP:FIM last night. It was pretty cool.
I didn't really enjoy all the songs that just came out of nowhere during the episode. One moment they're talking, the next it's suddenly a musical. The design of the Crystal Empire was pretty neat, from a aesthetic point of view, but there wasn't much explanation for the new villain, and the ending just seemed sudden and without closure.
The Crystal Fair song was cool though. The Empire's design really reminds me of Saruman's tower of Isengard, heh.Spoiler: Saruman approves of the Crystal Empire! (click to show/hide)
Do not talk of the show which must not be named, lest you awaken the wrath of the great Toady One. Seriously, talking about it here was banned for reasons unknown to me. We already had some discussion about it on the last few pages, and that was pretty risky. I think there was an unofficial bay12 pony forum though. Someone else should have a link.
Edit: It was a pretty good premiere though, yeah. I wonder if we're actually gonna get a longer arc over the course of this season as some people have speculated.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 11, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 11, 2012, 03:13:02 pm
I think the issue was more that MLP discussion tended to uttarly dominate the sections it was in, then it being banned.
Post by: Theoboldi on November 11, 2012, 03:16:15 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 11, 2012, 03:17:15 pm
Post by: Telgin on November 11, 2012, 08:35:14 pm
MLP discussion as a whole isn't banned, as there have been at least two community forts based around the pony mod as well as passing mention and conversation in other threads. I think he just doesn't want another dedicated thread that will inevitably devolve into NSFW image spam.
Anyway, I haven't yet seen the start of season 3, and am trying to avoid spoilers. It's good to know that people as a whole approve of it though.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 11, 2012, 10:07:55 pm
Do not talk of the show which must not be named, lest you awaken the wrath of the great Toady One. Seriously, talking about it here was banned for reasons unknown to me. We already had some discussion about it on the last few pages, and that was pretty risky. I think there was an unofficial bay12 pony forum though. Someone else should have a link.
Huh. I figured since it was western animation it fit the thread topic. I'm an innocent bystander, I tells ye! *shrugs*
Post by: kaijyuu on November 11, 2012, 10:15:07 pm
Post by: Zangi on November 12, 2012, 11:26:23 am
More specifically the threads that were about it drifted into territory Toady didn't like, so he shut them down for good.The Mods and the Community Forts are fine, since they are not degenerating into random discussions of everything poni. Each of those threads are specific to its own existence within Dwarf Fortress. While yea... random discussions of everything poni are pretty much banned.
MLP discussion as a whole isn't banned, as there have been at least two community forts based around the pony mod as well as passing mention and conversation in other threads. I think he just doesn't want another dedicated thread that will inevitably devolve into NSFW image spam.
Anyway, I haven't yet seen the start of season 3, and am trying to avoid spoilers. It's good to know that people as a whole approve of it though.
kaijyuu can lead you the way to our slice of haven and
Post by: Neonivek on November 15, 2012, 01:57:35 am
I just watched an entire episode where they show the outright torture of a child. Then another where Finn is tortured again but the nicest character has gone insane and turned maliciously evil.
I know the show always had dark undertones but it was rarely outright dark at the start.
Post by: Telgin on November 15, 2012, 04:57:59 pm
It's kind of odd, really. I tend to love dark stuff, but in a way I think Adventure Time would be best off if it didn't get any darker or even dialled it back a bit. Originally I watched it mostly for the fantasy world and RPG humor, but I did enjoy them going into the back story a bit in the latest season. And I enjoyed the whole lich story.
I don't know, I'm torn on it. I imagine if I was much more of a fan of it I'd probably find something or other to nerd rage about. I take my fandoms seriously.
Post by: Neonivek on November 17, 2012, 08:52:51 pm
If the start was sort of the creation of a hero and our heros delving into darkness to attempt to cross to dawn.
I've certainly seen extremely bright and cheery shows turn into extremely dark shows.
Though it is just how unfocused the show is that tells me that, no it just became that dark.
Post by: Zangi on November 17, 2012, 10:13:58 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 17, 2012, 10:20:44 pm
Post by: Glowcat on November 17, 2012, 10:34:42 pm
After watching enough Adventure time... The show is just getting maybe too dark. I am not talking about the Backstory it is just getting dark in general and it is such a STARK contrast to how it started out.
I just watched an entire episode where they show the outright torture of a child. Then another where Finn is tortured again but the nicest character has gone insane and turned maliciously evil.
I know the show always had dark undertones but it was rarely outright dark at the start.
Eh, maybe I'm not getting what you mean by dark but I just (finally!) watched the whole series recently and it's not much more horrifying in comparison to some of the early episodes with grisly deaths (or fake deaths). I would say however that it began to drift from whimsical adventures to plot building episodes and has started to include a few more mature elements in its stories. I have to admit, the Ice King's background made me cry a bit.
Post by: Levi on November 18, 2012, 10:51:15 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2012, 11:46:07 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 18, 2012, 11:49:30 am
Anyone else been watching the new Ninja Turtles? I first thought it was going to be stupid because the ugly 3d animation style, but the dialog and some of the gags have really been winning me over. Michelangelo and the smoke bombs were hilarious in the last episode.
Also it is one of those interesting situations where an enemy's first appearance they are a big deal... yet every other time (in this case the very same episode) they are basically puddies.
Unfortunately I have mixed feelings. They did remove the stupidity of Splinter being a rat turned into a ratman that 2003 had (ohh goodness that was silly). Yet Don being my favorite Turtle in both series being turned into... that... has very mixed results.
Mind you it has nothing to do with the quality of the show, I just REALLY hate their Donatello and the fact that he was my favorite is really hurting how unbiased I can attempt to be with the show. Raph though somehow ended up with more characterisation then he tends to have and retains his "Older brother" status with Michael which I always loved.
Also DANG can April not catch a break with these cartoons. She started off as a star reporter, then as what amounts as a secretary, and now an unimportant child. It is like the universe just keeps demoting her in every cartoon she ends up in. Calling it now, next cartoon April will be an animal.
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Also I watched the Thundercats remake and it was surprisingly good... Astonishing really with extremely high quality animation for a cartoon. Often knowing exactly what elements from the show to keep or replace. (I personally like Lion-O's redesign... if only because even as a kid did I find him to look pretty dang bad)
I just hope Thundera gets his whip back. The show reminded me how awsome it was only to take it away. I mean it is a whip that lets you turn invisable... It is awsome!
If they keep it up the whole season it may actually give me hope for the future and that Avatar wasn't a fluke. (And after watching nothing but TERRIBLE shows or shows that are unintentionally good for months... I needed it)
Post by: Sonlirain on November 18, 2012, 12:29:29 pm
My Little Pony vs Littlest Pet Shop
MLP are most know became a smash hit way beyopn the wildest expectations of its authors and owners.
Now that S3 is starting and seems to barely loose any steam (if not gaining it).
Hasbro of coursse is cashing in on the succes with figurines and adds on HUB and seems to try repeating the succes.
First the reboot of carebears that was mostly a flop (tho some say it did gain it's own fans).
And now LPS was taken for a spin but this time it seems to be almost completely tailored to make people already watching MLP watch LPS as well.
1 - LPS episodes start right after MLP.
2 - Some characters seem to be expies of the "Mane 6" with extra credit for Zoe Trent for sharing an identical color sheme (down to the stripe) with Twilight Sparkle
3 - Hired some of the same writers.
4 - Some adds for LPS are full of pony.
5 - It will most likely retain the same character driven one episode long storylines (Not unlike MLP)
Am i the only person thinking Hasbro just desperately tries to make thunder strike the same spot 2 times?
Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2012, 12:36:02 pm
Am i the only person thinking Hasbro just desperately tries to make thunder strike the same spot 2 times?Maybe. But also remember that imitators can improve upon original formulas.
I'm still happy they're trying to shoot for additional demographics in a little girl's show. That means people are starting to take the genre seriously, instead of spewing substanceless crap like they have for like 30 years.
Post by: Neonivek on November 19, 2012, 12:25:46 am
Ok then nevermind.
Mind you whether or not Jem really fits in that category is up to someone who has watched it. Its worst aspects was when it was being too childish but its best features is when it chose to be deep.
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Also I know it was limiting but I kinda liked the fact that the Sword of Omens actually couldn't be used superfluously (for example Lion-O in the original series tried to hunt Deer with it and the sword rejected it).
The new series has him use it all over the place for any reason. Ohh well it isn't a bad thing... The plotholes in the new Thundercats as well as the very odd blending of two genres is an issue. (ohh goodness can I pick out plotholes. From characters learning skills they never had to just how the Sword of Omens works changing episode to episode)
Post by: Neonivek on November 19, 2012, 08:53:17 pm
The new Thundercats started off so well but it is like each episode is slightly worse then the last.
It wouldn't be so bad but honestly I sort of like how they present the world, it is one of the few wonderous worlds outside comedies and Avatar.
I think my problem is that I cannot turn my brain off.
It is like... I WANT to like it because it actually tries, by goodness it is trying... but I cannot get by a single episode without having something HUGE to point out.
For example
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Post by: MrWiggles on November 21, 2012, 07:49:53 am
Post by: Reelya on November 21, 2012, 09:29:06 am
Post by: Sirus on November 21, 2012, 11:44:04 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 21, 2012, 02:56:04 pm
So, according to Word of God, Gravity Falls is on a year plus pause. ;.;Holy shit, I thought that was just a typo.
D:
Post by: Glowcat on November 21, 2012, 03:34:46 pm
So, according to Word of God, Gravity Falls is on a year plus pause. ;.;
W-what? ...Somebody hold me. :'(
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 21, 2012, 04:12:39 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 21, 2012, 04:21:19 pm
Was it getting bad numbers or something? I feel like I would have known if this sort of stuff was going to happen.
Well it could be "Invader Zim" numbers.
As in yes it got a lot of viewers, but none of them may have been in the age group the show desired.
Post by: Reelya on November 21, 2012, 04:54:23 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 21, 2012, 05:29:10 pm
1) The audiance is not the age of the advertisers or products being marketed towards the user
2) The Toy sales involved with that show sold badly.
Invader Zim suffered from #1. (Cancelled because the show was popular but not to children)
Jem suffered from #2. (Cancelled because the show was popular but the toys were unpopular)
Robotech as Reelya said suffered from both. (Popular to adults who wouldn't buy their toys and not to children who would)
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I forgot a few more
3) The show competes with other shows by the same channel or company (Battlestar Galactica or Babylon 5, I forget, had this problem... it wasn't a cartoon or for kids)
Post by: Mageziya on November 21, 2012, 05:46:35 pm
Shame when this happens though. What too good for Disney? Or did the hysteria over Illuminati/Freemason references cause this?
Or maybe that too many people were watching it online to avoid the terribad commercials.
In a bit of irony, I still have yet to actually watch the most recent episode.
Post by: Neonivek on November 21, 2012, 05:47:54 pm
The problem is with this that they don't put it in a good timeslot.
Adventure time actually started to get good timeslots (different channel) once its popularity risen.
The problem with "Indefinite" pauses... is it could just be cancelled without actually declairing it cancelled.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 23, 2012, 06:28:57 pm
Thoroughly impressed!
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Post by: Zangi on November 23, 2012, 06:59:08 pm
I'm late to the party, but just saw Wreck it Ralph.Only in theaters right now?
Post by: Jimmy on November 24, 2012, 02:06:38 am
Only in theaters right now?Unless you're into low quality cam pirates, yes.
Post by: Scelly9 on November 24, 2012, 02:08:32 am
Low quality? Cam pirates? Oh, how the technology has advanced.Only in theaters right now?Unless you're into low quality cam pirates, yes.
Post by: Sirus on November 24, 2012, 02:11:10 am
Sad but true. I saw the Avengers on my friend's home computer long before it was released, and it looked and sounded really good.Low quality? Cam pirates? Oh, how the technology has advanced.Only in theaters right now?Unless you're into low quality cam pirates, yes.
Post by: Scelly9 on November 24, 2012, 02:12:55 am
Post by: Sirus on November 24, 2012, 02:14:25 am
Post by: Scelly9 on November 24, 2012, 02:17:21 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 25, 2012, 10:25:17 pm
Verdict: Not bad. Not great, not horrible, but not bad.
Post by: MrWiggles on November 26, 2012, 01:10:24 am
Post by: Sirus on November 26, 2012, 01:14:29 am
Good
DEAR GOD THE HAIR ANIMATION
Actually, it was just plain amazing-looking in general.
The initial plotline was actually interesting.
Bad
Most everything after the cabin in the woods, personally.
@ MrWiggles: Dude! Spoiler alert!
Post by: kaijyuu on November 26, 2012, 01:24:33 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: MrWiggles on November 26, 2012, 01:58:02 am
Post by: Scelly9 on November 26, 2012, 01:58:42 am
Post by: MrWiggles on November 26, 2012, 04:51:48 pm
Yes. They do. Spoiler the damn thing.No they don't. The media consumption experience isnt that fragile.
Post by: Levi on November 26, 2012, 04:58:10 pm
Yes. They do. Spoiler the damn thing.No they don't. The media consumption experience isnt that fragile.
Yeah, thats why everybody makes a big deal about it. Oh wait!
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on November 26, 2012, 04:59:30 pm
Dude, just spoiler it. It takes all of two seconds of your time.Yes. They do. Spoiler the damn thing.No they don't. The media consumption experience isnt that fragile.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 26, 2012, 05:00:58 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2012, 05:02:01 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 26, 2012, 06:00:22 pm
Spoiler: soooo... (click to show/hide)
Therefor, I'd have to go see the movie for the "spoiler" to actually make sense. Either that, or go look up the movie plot online and just spoil the whole thing myself. Now if Wiggles was to go to the exact movie theater I was in and yell out "She turns into a bear" at some key point in the plot, then that could be a spoiler.
Personally, I seem to pick up on plots so quickly I usually already predicted the plot twist even before finishing the movie. Considering this is a Pixar/Disney film we're talkin' 'bout, I'd probably have figured it out anyway, even if I were to actually go see it.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2012, 06:04:21 pm
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Post by: Sirus on November 26, 2012, 06:06:10 pm
Post by: Jimmy on November 26, 2012, 06:26:36 pm
Post by: Furtuka on November 26, 2012, 06:26:59 pm
Obvious troll is obvious.
...not really
Post by: kaijyuu on November 26, 2012, 06:27:47 pm
Post by: Sirus on November 26, 2012, 06:28:00 pm
Obvious troll is obvious....who's trolling?
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 26, 2012, 06:30:32 pm
Post by: Sirus on November 26, 2012, 06:31:39 pm
Spoiler (http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2764) (click to show/hide)Clever girl...
Post by: Jimmy on November 26, 2012, 06:34:31 pm
...who's trolling?Pretty much everyone feeding this spoiler debate at this point.
Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY) (click to show/hide)
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 26, 2012, 06:36:04 pm
Post by: Sirus on November 26, 2012, 06:36:51 pm
Debating a topic isn't "trolling" :|...who's trolling?Pretty much everyone feeding this spoiler debate at this point.
Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY) (click to show/hide)
If someone were deliberately posting spoilers for shits-n-giggles, then that could be defined as trolling.
Post by: Jimmy on November 26, 2012, 06:39:30 pm
I fell for my own trick.Nah, you did it first and therefore still win.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 26, 2012, 06:42:06 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 26, 2012, 06:44:22 pm
Post by: Furtuka on November 26, 2012, 06:54:27 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 26, 2012, 10:14:52 pm
Eh, I think it's pretty harmless.
On my laptop it wouldn't be.
Post by: Furtuka on November 26, 2012, 11:10:23 pm
Eh, I think it's pretty harmless.
On my laptop it wouldn't be.
Oh... You mean in case of something like that time a human spammer appeared and began trolling people and someone tried to stop them by posting a link to some code they claimed would cause whoever opened the link to set their computer on fire?
Post by: Reelya on November 27, 2012, 01:19:05 am
Fake:
Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS5bLx-SfXk) (click to show/hide)
Real:
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Let me fix that. Improved Fake:
Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqT0iFZifgw) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on November 27, 2012, 01:47:13 am
Post by: Reelya on November 27, 2012, 01:59:36 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 27, 2012, 11:25:02 am
If only because it seems to step on the animated cartoon that may or may not be accurate to the source material.
Largest differences? All Rhinos are terrible people in the 3d version and the Dutches (or Countess I forget) is gone.
Mind you I am WAAAY out of its demographic now... Though the original 2d cartoon was a lot more sophisticated and deep and thus I'd probably still would enjoy it now.
I remember back when a show didn't need to be a comedy or about Super Heros to actually go for something, and it didn't need to be a fluke like Avatar.
Post by: Furtuka on November 27, 2012, 04:04:22 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 27, 2012, 04:28:30 pm
Post by: RedKing on November 27, 2012, 04:30:58 pm
I'm late to the party, but just saw Wreck it Ralph.Yeah, I really enjoyed it. My old-school gamer inner child was happies. Especially the initial sequence where you see the arcade fast-forwarding through time. My wife got pissed because I was busy going "Oh, that's...And that one! OOH! I remember that!"
Thoroughly impressed!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I will be buying it on DVD if for no other reason than to go frame-by-frame through that scene and identifying every arcade console in the shot. :D
Plus, Alan Tudyk. I mean, WTF??? When I saw that in the credits, I plotzed.
Post by: Remalle on November 27, 2012, 05:40:43 pm
Plus, Alan Tudyk....time to go see this movie.
Post by: Neonivek on November 27, 2012, 06:08:39 pm
I... oh never mind.
Well let me see in 2000 shows that arn't super hero shows or comedies.
You will get quite a bit... but honestly I kinda miss the old "Adventure" aspect of the 90s. Adventure time gets really close some of the time but is kinda too much of a comedy at times to really explore the concept.
I swear there must be a "Adventure" type show somewhere.
Examples of the Adventure format: Aladin, Rupert, Babar, and I think Pippi Longstocking counts too.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on December 03, 2012, 01:06:14 am
I love the art style, I love the creative setting of this "Wild West" sorta town with an almost grim reaper character who makes regular visits and is a recognized power in their universe, I love all the deeper meanings to it, and I really, really love the climax. Its style is like eye candy for me.
All in all, it's just a great grim little short film and I had to come back and watch it again recently, and wanted to post it here as well.
Post by: kaijyuu on December 03, 2012, 04:59:50 am
Post by: ggamer on December 03, 2012, 07:52:06 pm
Unfortunately, I can't watch it. but it hath been dvr'd, and i'll watch it tomorrow.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on December 03, 2012, 11:51:55 pm
Hrm, I almost want to call it pretentious xD It got its point across (and well)... it's just a point I've seen a million times before. Kudos for high indie production value, though.It depends on the point you interpret, really. some can interpret that it was specifically religion that drove all the villagers crazy, while others instead interpret it as a display of human nature and how it was ultimately the fear the Undertaker created that did everyone in. Both are common themes, I guess, but fear is one of our most primal emotions, so it'd naturally be a common recurring theme.
I do so love the graphics style though. Beautifully grim eye candy. :P
Post by: Glowcat on December 04, 2012, 12:17:17 am
Post by: Jimmy on December 04, 2012, 05:43:47 am
Alarm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc-vINJmhNk) - My every morning.
Best Idea Ever! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwPc0kK9VHU) - The true story of Sir Isaac Newton
Electroshock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRHbeYZhtgA) - Gain superpowers from electric cables? Seems legit.
Hambuster (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=214CUiDlQOY) - Fast food and zombies.
Sintel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO0yXC0oyIA) - Dragons and feels.
The Lady and the Reaper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATr3vNOIYA) - Or why you should have a Do Not Resuscitate if you're over 80.
A Gentleman's Duel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axlJjN4fAxk) - Britain vs. France.
The Chase (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=8Y1eukdAuxU) - Real badasses wear suits.
Post by: Neonivek on December 04, 2012, 06:12:33 pm
I watched an episode where one section was an awsome episode and the other was a terrible episode.
The one I liked was the one where Finn created a pranking pie bot
The One I disliked was the one where Finn discovered he was afraid of the ocean. (Oddly the voice acting was pretty bad... I don't know what was wrong with Jake's voice actor)
It kinda helped me understand what I did and did not like about the show. I loved the show when it was inventive and explored the very concepts they bring up (AKA ADVENTURE!!!). I dislike the show when they become lazy and simply invent solutions or just ignore the issues.
Post by: ggamer on December 04, 2012, 06:50:07 pm
You'd probably like BMO noir or Rainy Day Daydream. Both are less about the over-arching plotline and more about antics. They're also both made later in the shows career, where Finn's voice is less odd.
Post by: Neonivek on December 04, 2012, 06:51:42 pm
Also the problem with Jake's voice was more that... he lost his inflection and usually Jake is very good at projecting emotions even subtle ones.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 04, 2012, 07:17:37 pm
It just sort of seemed like nothing happened. Finn played with dolls and screwed them up, then Jake was like "Shake them and you can solve everything!" and it solved everything.
Post by: Neonivek on December 04, 2012, 07:22:12 pm
Post by: Glowcat on December 11, 2012, 02:02:41 pm
Happiness restored.
Post by: Scelly9 on December 11, 2012, 02:27:48 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on December 11, 2012, 03:04:24 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 11, 2012, 03:30:32 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on December 11, 2012, 03:32:47 pm
Fortunately, I guess that's not the case.
Post by: Telgin on December 11, 2012, 03:47:40 pm
Post by: Mageziya on December 11, 2012, 05:00:55 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on December 15, 2012, 02:56:53 pm
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Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2012, 08:52:22 pm
Season 5 starts in February and although it'll only add up to being like, seven episodes, it's still nice to see new content.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 21, 2012, 09:21:07 pm
Post by: Neonivek on December 21, 2012, 09:25:13 pm
I've only seen two episodes of Gravity Falls and I'm already in love with it. Very happy to see that it's going to continue.
To me it gets a bit worse as it goes along and then gets better.
Their largest issue right now is they arn't sure what to do with Mable. The worst episode IMO, even if it had the funniest joke for me, was the episode centered entirely around Mable that ended with an anti-lesson.
It makes Dipper come across as the real main character and Mable as the distraction. Even if Dipper needs to learn the same lesson several times (Dipper learns to be a man is a common theme).
Post by: Sirus on December 21, 2012, 09:31:21 pm
So how long until more Korra?Yeah, screw Gravity Falls or Adventure Time. I want more bending!
Post by: Remalle on December 22, 2012, 04:43:59 am
Edit: <3 the Charlie Brown Christmas Special
Post by: Neonivek on December 22, 2012, 02:09:27 pm
Also I am surprised that people like Thundercats more then me >_<. I thought my issues with the series would be more universal but apperantly the show was "Totally awsome" and I didn't know.
I think it is an alright show with FREEKISHLY good animation for a western show and that actually attempts personal storylines.
Post by: kaijyuu on December 22, 2012, 06:10:26 pm
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on December 23, 2012, 10:15:26 am
Post by: Neonivek on December 23, 2012, 10:22:10 am
Post by: Jimmy on December 24, 2012, 03:56:40 am
Came across an interesting short that I quite like. (http://vimeo.com/11414910)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you like animated shorts you might like some of the list I posted earlier in the thread. If you like bittersweet I especially recommend Sintel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO0yXC0oyIA).
The full list:
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Post by: Neonivek on December 24, 2012, 04:40:55 pm
Now the #1 pet peave I have with Christmas movies is whenever Santa is kidnapped or stopped and people uttar "Ohh no they stopped Christmas!" or "Now Christmas is ruined!"
Which only prompts me to look into the tv with a look of intense disdain and anger on the sheer amount of stupidty I just heard. Since obviously Santa not only is not required for Christmas he is the least important part.
This brings me to this
So I was watching the Ice Age Christmas movie and they ruined the North Pole and claimed that there would be no Christmas because Santa couldn't make his deliveries.
I was starting to say "There would still be Christmas" but then I remembered that, "Wait a minute, this is over ten thousand years in the past This really WOULD end Christmas"
and then I changed the channel because it was still a bad movie.
Post by: Zangi on December 24, 2012, 06:36:55 pm
Yea... christmas time isn't really the best for toons and stuff.
Post by: Neonivek on December 24, 2012, 06:38:35 pm
Christmas is all about getting gifts. Nothing other then the fellow that provides all these gifts matter. amirite?
Yea... christmas time isn't really the best for toons and stuff.
Oddly enough I have seen Santa specials where Santa did supply ALL the presents, however that isn't always the case.
Somehow that ONE present makes or breaks Christmas.
Post by: MrWiggles on December 24, 2012, 10:53:34 pm
Bill and Opus Chirstmas: A Wish for Wings that Work
Its great because its x-mas centric, but avoids the terribly over used x-mas stories, even though Santa is in it.
Post by: Sirus on December 25, 2012, 01:27:18 am
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 25, 2012, 01:54:35 am
"NOPE!"
Post by: Sirus on December 25, 2012, 01:57:53 am
Post by: Neonivek on December 25, 2012, 08:03:20 am
I remember a X-MAS-centered movie that went in a totally different direction than the average Santa-staring film. Santa was actually an abandoned human child, cared for by various magical creatures (elves, dwarves, and the like). When he grew up, he visited the nearest human town (which, of course, was basically a mud pit). He began making toys and clothes for the children of the town, eventually being granted immortality by the gods themselves for his good deeds (just before he died of old age, too!).
I really liked that movie, it actually was a stop motion movie first, but the differences between the animation and the stop motion are few. (though the stop motion somehow is more epic.)
Post by: Sirus on December 25, 2012, 01:59:02 pm
Do you happen to remember the name, by any chance? :P
Post by: Sergius on December 25, 2012, 04:51:26 pm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_and_Adventures_of_Santa_Claus
I saw the stopmotion version too. IIRC Claus' "mom" was a fairy or somesuch, and the one who kept begging for the Cloak of Immortality.
I also remember thinking even back then, sheesh, what dicks, you'd think they wouldn't have waited for him to become as decrepit as humanly possible before making him live forever...
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 25, 2012, 04:58:11 pm
Post by: Sirus on December 25, 2012, 08:50:00 pm
Turns out they are adaptations of a book.That was it! Damn, it's been a while since I've seen that.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_and_Adventures_of_Santa_Claus
I saw the stopmotion version too. IIRC Claus' "mom" was a fairy or somesuch, and the one who kept begging for the Cloak of Immortality.
I also remember thinking even back then, sheesh, what dicks, you'd think they wouldn't have waited for him to become as decrepit as humanly possible before making him live forever...
ETA: And it's not like he stayed decrepit forever. I distinctly remember him claiming that he felt strong enough to wrestle something (a bear?) after becoming immortal.
Post by: Neonivek on December 25, 2012, 08:51:07 pm
Post by: Neonivek on December 28, 2012, 04:18:54 pm
The Episode with Andy Warsaw the modern artist.
The jokes are there, but not that funny, but there are plenty of episodes with flat jokes... I think what hurts the episode is the investigation itself.
It just isn't there. The episode is such filler that they actually barely go out of their way to even investigate only bringing in any level of deduction right at the very end.
People are statues? What are they made of? We don't know. Why don't they check the junk for electronics? I don't know.
I really cannot think of a worse episode given how good most of them are. I've seen episodes where investigation barely happened but they were always a parody of the very formula (like the Graveyard Ghoul where they investigated a sweet lady and her children because she was the least likely person to be the Graveyard ghoul).
Post by: kaijyuu on December 28, 2012, 04:24:53 pm
Post by: Sergius on December 28, 2012, 09:50:10 pm
Turns out they are adaptations of a book.That was it! Damn, it's been a while since I've seen that.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_and_Adventures_of_Santa_Claus
I saw the stopmotion version too. IIRC Claus' "mom" was a fairy or somesuch, and the one who kept begging for the Cloak of Immortality.
I also remember thinking even back then, sheesh, what dicks, you'd think they wouldn't have waited for him to become as decrepit as humanly possible before making him live forever...
ETA: And it's not like he stayed decrepit forever. I distinctly remember him claiming that he felt strong enough to wrestle something (a bear?) after becoming immortal.
Nah, he doesn't say any such thing. Granted, they don't show him AGAIN limping around the tree, but he pretty much just stands there saying "thanks for the mantle dude".
You can watch the whole thing here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NsPinx6OXo
Shitty 80's commercials and all ;)
(I'd point you to the edited version in YouTube, but you'd miss all the glorious crappy commercials)
Post by: Neonivek on December 28, 2012, 09:52:37 pm
Ah yeah, I didn't much like that one either. I felt the monster was a bit TOO ridiculous for one thing, and they skewered modern art a bit more than they probably should've.
In my oppinion I think the issue wasn't that they kept jabbing at modern art, though they certainly wasted a lot of time, it was that... They didn't really do anything funny with it.
"Ohh my a foot... clearly this is the height of hillarity and my sides are splitting from all the laughter I am... doing"
It really felt like Filler. Like they just weren't trying on that episode they were just trying everything they could to get to the next one.
I will say though that Warsaw's hair was amazing!
Post by: Sirus on December 29, 2012, 05:55:08 pm
I was talking about the animated version. Never seen the claymation version :PTurns out they are adaptations of a book.That was it! Damn, it's been a while since I've seen that.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_and_Adventures_of_Santa_Claus
I saw the stopmotion version too. IIRC Claus' "mom" was a fairy or somesuch, and the one who kept begging for the Cloak of Immortality.
I also remember thinking even back then, sheesh, what dicks, you'd think they wouldn't have waited for him to become as decrepit as humanly possible before making him live forever...
ETA: And it's not like he stayed decrepit forever. I distinctly remember him claiming that he felt strong enough to wrestle something (a bear?) after becoming immortal.
Nah, he doesn't say any such thing. Granted, they don't show him AGAIN limping around the tree, but he pretty much just stands there saying "thanks for the mantle dude".
You can watch the whole thing here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NsPinx6OXo
Shitty 80's commercials and all ;)
(I'd point you to the edited version in YouTube, but you'd miss all the glorious crappy commercials)
Here it is, but I can't find an English version. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119438.msg3896493#msg3896493)
Post by: Sergius on December 30, 2012, 12:49:15 am
I was talking about the animated version. Never seen the claymation version :PTurns out they are adaptations of a book.That was it! Damn, it's been a while since I've seen that.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_and_Adventures_of_Santa_Claus
I saw the stopmotion version too. IIRC Claus' "mom" was a fairy or somesuch, and the one who kept begging for the Cloak of Immortality.
I also remember thinking even back then, sheesh, what dicks, you'd think they wouldn't have waited for him to become as decrepit as humanly possible before making him live forever...
ETA: And it's not like he stayed decrepit forever. I distinctly remember him claiming that he felt strong enough to wrestle something (a bear?) after becoming immortal.
Nah, he doesn't say any such thing. Granted, they don't show him AGAIN limping around the tree, but he pretty much just stands there saying "thanks for the mantle dude".
You can watch the whole thing here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NsPinx6OXo
Shitty 80's commercials and all ;)
(I'd point you to the edited version in YouTube, but you'd miss all the glorious crappy commercials)
Here it is, but I can't find an English version. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119438.msg3896493#msg3896493)
Binding of Issac + Soundtrack, nice :)
It's also not claymation, there's no clay involved :D it's just stop-motion with puppets or sumthin'
Post by: Neonivek on December 30, 2012, 05:14:16 am
It is a story about Finn growing up and becoming an adult.
Post by: Jimmy on December 30, 2012, 05:55:49 am
Post by: Lich180 on December 30, 2012, 08:41:26 am
Its a show with very little continuity, and what episodes have continuity usually are backstory for the characters. Like the Ice King is a guy from pre-apocalypse earth who bought a crown from a dock worker in Norway, because he was an antiquarian and was fascinated by the supernatural. The crown has the ability to give its wearer control of ice and snow, while also driving them insane and forgetting who they were (an Alzheimers expy)
It takes a while to get into it, but its really a good show. Lots of adult humor, and references to dark/black comedy.
Post by: Neonivek on December 30, 2012, 03:03:15 pm
With episodes getting darker it fits this image, even if he is the same age.
Post by: Putnam on December 31, 2012, 03:13:19 am
Post by: Neonivek on December 31, 2012, 05:12:33 am
He's getting older. He was 12 when the show started and he's 14 now.
It sounds silly but you never know (in this case we do know but I mean you cannot take aging for granted... As Pokemon has told me...)
For those who don't know the reference the ENTIRE Pokemon anime takes place within a year.
Post by: Sirus on December 31, 2012, 05:19:53 am
I specifically remember the episode where the gang returns to Viridian City to get an Earth Badge. Misty states that it has been a year since they were there last. Presumably each season takes a year or so, but I stopped watching shortly into the Johto league.
Yeah, I know...this is Western Animation thread, not Anime thread...
Here's an unrelated WTF: Firefox does not recognize the word viridian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viridian).
Post by: Neonivek on December 31, 2012, 05:21:33 am
So basically just the ability to age is surprising in a cartoon. Heck even when characters DO get older they often look the same, just see Young Justice and the characters who don't look any older inspite the several year time leap.
Post by: Jimmy on December 31, 2012, 07:06:47 am
Post by: Neonivek on December 31, 2012, 06:44:19 pm
Case in point: Bart Simpson would be in his 30s now.
Well shows with semi-continuity are one thing.
Shows it full out continuity however...
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 02, 2013, 02:18:23 am
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Post by: Sirus on January 02, 2013, 03:15:21 am
I need this shirt (http://www.redbubble.com/people/philtomato/works/9702635-does-he-look-like-a-gl-tch?p=t-shirt) so badly.Is...is that referencing Wreck-It Ralph? :oSpoiler: picture (click to show/hide)
ETA: I mean, in addition to Pulp Fiction.
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 02, 2013, 03:21:20 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 08, 2013, 03:22:46 am
You probably seen it from terrible shows but basically it is where the main character is nice to the shows critters.
I've seen it twice but the shows never EVER explain in any capacity why no one has ever done it before. It is always unjustified and just comes off as a way the show is trying to make their protagonist special without really changing the plot.
What is interesting is I've seen this done right. In an anime the main character treats ordinary objects with great respect, something that WOULD be unusual, and that is why another character likes him.
Post by: Sirus on January 08, 2013, 03:24:37 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 08, 2013, 03:32:47 am
...I'm sorry, what? Try again, but with less rambling.
Ok how may I put it.
You ever watched a show where people take care of monsters that fight eachother like Pokemon?
You know how in Pokemon it is expected that people take care of their monsters with love and respect?
Now lets pretend that you are now in a setting where no one gives these critters any love and respect... No one except the main character and possibly his friends.
Yet the show never explains why everyone treats these monsters so badly. It is such an accepted fact that it feels shallow and silly only there to make the main character seem special without doing anything.
I hate that.
Post by: Sirus on January 08, 2013, 03:36:19 am
Because abusing animals is seen as a heartless act by many people?
Because contrasting the animal-beating villain and the kind-hearted hero is one of the easiest ways to help the audience identify with the hero?
Not sure what your problem is here, to be honest.
Post by: Neonivek on January 08, 2013, 03:38:32 am
EVERYONE treats their monsters badly. To the extent that to everyone even treating a monster with any kindness is unheard of.
There is no point in the history of animal caretaking this concept would have been unusual. So historical context is out of the question.
It bugs me because... well lets put it this way.
An Idiot ball is when another character acts uncharacteristically stupid usually to further the plot. An Idiotplot is a plot that only works because everyone is an idiot. It is dumb because it relies on everyone being dumb.
In this case in order to make the main character feel special, by giving monsters respect, they make everyone else uncharacteristically unkind, thus making the setting dumber because there is no context for everyone being unkind.
Post by: Sirus on January 08, 2013, 03:44:00 am
Post by: Sergius on January 08, 2013, 09:51:03 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 08, 2013, 10:26:03 am
Post by: Jopax on January 08, 2013, 10:47:57 am
You mean kinda like How to Train Your Dragon?
Well that one had a reason for treating the dragons badly, what with them terrorizing the tribe, pillaging and looting (they were forced but still, the humans couldn't have known that).
Edit:
Watching Adventure Time, that episode with the door bandit thingy, they're just jamming to get the door to open.
Holy crap, never knew I'd like music numbers in my toons this much :D
Post by: Lich180 on January 08, 2013, 12:55:42 pm
Anyone see the new Adventure Time? It was average, definitely below average as a Jake episode.
But no weirder than any other episode. Wasn't really that bad though, just... trippy.
Plus, Status Quo is God.
Post by: kaijyuu on January 08, 2013, 01:41:33 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 08, 2013, 08:50:16 pm
You mean kinda like How to Train Your Dragon?
no as people mentioned there is a good excuse as to why everyone hated dragons in that
Unfortunately the two series I am thinking of in particular... One I don't remember the name of and another I am mixing up the name with every other one. Something like Kaijuto or something (and no it isn't anime... even if it is obviously modeling itself off of one)
Post by: Sergius on January 08, 2013, 10:44:51 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 10, 2013, 01:19:04 am
You mean kinda like How to Train Your Dragon?
no as people mentioned there is a good excuse as to why everyone hated dragons in that
Unfortunately the two series I am thinking of in particular... One I don't remember the name of and another I am mixing up the name with every other one. Something like Kaijuto or something (and no it isn't anime... even if it is obviously modeling itself off of one)
Is it one of those canadian merchandise-based shows?
Post by: Neonivek on January 10, 2013, 02:29:22 am
And yeah Kaijudo is terrible in general... and the other one I don't know the name of but they put animals in guns to give the gun power... and they use other animals as grenades.
Post by: Reelya on January 13, 2013, 11:05:15 am
Post by: Furtuka on January 13, 2013, 12:26:40 pm
Edit: Huh I just learned with the exception of Static, the abductee kids are based off the ethnic characters that were added to Superfriends. That's kind of neat.
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 13, 2013, 01:49:21 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 13, 2013, 05:05:28 pm
Kaijudo is a card game show. Those are always awful.
I don't know... Chaotic was actually pretty good.
Then it got a face lift that actually managed to make it more ugly proving that aestetics are always more important then graphics.
Post by: kaijyuu on January 13, 2013, 10:08:35 pm
I must say they did a good deal of foreshadowing, now that I'm going through it a second time. Also Momo is horribly useless.
Post by: Furtuka on January 13, 2013, 10:23:30 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 14, 2013, 05:53:48 am
There were some plans for him to be Gyatso's reincarnation that were cut from the show if I remember correctly
I am glad they didn't go there... Momo didn't need to be useful he was just a pet.
Post by: Sirus on January 14, 2013, 09:22:55 pm
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Post by: Neonivek on January 14, 2013, 09:27:23 pm
Avatar is the best cartoon. This is simple fact.
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Of one variety.
What would be the best Drama Cartoon?
Post by: Sirus on January 14, 2013, 09:31:38 pm
...Define "drama" first. Are we talking classic Shakespearean drama, or "OMG my bff unfriended me!!1!" drama?Avatar is the best cartoon. This is simple fact.
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Of one variety.
What would be the best Drama Cartoon?
Post by: Neonivek on January 14, 2013, 09:34:19 pm
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or "OMG my bff unfriended me!!1!" drama?
That would count. Good luck finding ones that arn't comedies though.
Post by: Sirus on January 14, 2013, 09:38:03 pm
I can't stand the second type of "drama", so I have no suggestions for that.
Post by: Neonivek on January 14, 2013, 09:48:10 pm
For the first type of drama, I would nominate Samurai Jack, if you ignore the more comedic episodes. Avatar, especially the Korra series, also had it's moments.
I can't stand the second type of "drama", so I have no suggestions for that.
No I agree Samurai Jack certainly counts.
Now lets eliminate action from it. A show with little-no action and little-no comedic elements.
Post by: Sirus on January 14, 2013, 09:59:05 pm
I can't think of anything off-hand. Just about all creative works contain either comedy or action to supplement the drama.For the first type of drama, I would nominate Samurai Jack, if you ignore the more comedic episodes. Avatar, especially the Korra series, also had it's moments.
I can't stand the second type of "drama", so I have no suggestions for that.
No I agree Samurai Jack certainly counts.
Now lets eliminate action from it. A show with little-no action and little-no comedic elements.
Post by: Neonivek on January 14, 2013, 10:22:28 pm
I can think of a few series that fall within drama without heavy comedy or heavy action.
Post by: Jimmy on January 15, 2013, 04:24:32 am
http://www.imdb.com/genre (http://www.imdb.com/genre)
Action
Adventure
Animation
Biography
Comedy
Crime
Documentary
Drama
Family
Fantasy
Film-Noir
Game-Show
History
Horror
Music
Musical
Mystery
News
Reality-TV
Romance
Sci-Fi
Sport
Talk-Show
Thriller
War
Western
Now eliminate those not relevant to our discussion:
Adventure
Crime
Drama
Family
Fantasy
Film-Noir
Horror
Musical
Mystery
Romance
Sci-Fi
Thriller
War
Western
From this list we can reasonably further remove Film-Noir, War and Western too, since I doubt there's many that also cross over into western animation projects.
Now in defining "cartoon" we should also stipulate if this includes 3D computer animation or not. For this argument let's say not. Let's also say it can't be a feature length movie, only a TV series.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animated_television_series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animated_television_series)
I scanned through the 2010s from American and Canadian companies but didn't see much I'd consider Drama. Honestly I don't know if there's such a market within western animation. Still, there's plenty of series there I don't know, so someone else might spot one.
Post by: Neonivek on January 15, 2013, 04:45:00 am
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Post by: Zangi on January 15, 2013, 03:01:04 pm
I must've forgotten about the bit at the end of the Lion King where everyone died.Its the circle of life, everyone dies eventually.
Post by: Vattic on January 15, 2013, 03:35:40 pm
Quoteor "OMG my bff unfriended me!!1!" drama?
That would count. Good luck finding ones that arn't comedies though.
Both Daria and King of the Hill are comedies but I would say the drama comes first.
Post by: Sirus on January 15, 2013, 08:39:58 pm
The Lion King = Hamlet. Classic Shakespeare. Specifically why I thought we could only use series, not feature length films.I'm pretty sure Hamlet didn't include anything about Hakuna Matata. Then again, it's been a few years since I read it...
Post by: MrWiggles on January 15, 2013, 10:11:17 pm
You need comedy in every genre to regulate tension. Look at Deep Space Nine, it used light hearted episodes, to fight viewing fatigue of the audience and to rebuild tension after dramatic episodes.
The weaker elements of the Dark Knight Returns is that it doesnt have enough comedy to help break up its tension and regulate the drama.
Demanding a Drama without comedy or reclassifying a Drama as comedy because it has comedy in it, is just dumb.
Nine, that was a movie that didnt know how to use comedy to regulate tension.
Post by: Neonivek on January 15, 2013, 10:43:03 pm
Quoteor "OMG my bff unfriended me!!1!" drama?
That would count. Good luck finding ones that arn't comedies though.
Both Daria and King of the Hill are comedies but I would say the drama comes first.
The rule of thumb that I like to employ is that it is a comedy if there is ever a comedic ending to an episode that goes against the drama, characterisation, or what have you. If the ending works only works within the confines of a comedy and isn't the exception.
Post by: Vattic on January 16, 2013, 04:01:47 am
I can't think of an ending like that specifically, both series seem to have realism at heart, but there is a lot of both so my memory may be failing me.Both Daria and King of the Hill are comedies but I would say the drama comes first.
The rule of thumb that I like to employ is that it is a comedy if there is ever a comedic ending to an episode that goes against the drama, characterisation, or what have you. If the ending works only works within the confines of a comedy and isn't the exception.
Post by: Neonivek on January 16, 2013, 04:16:10 am
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You need comedy in every genre to regulate tension. Look at Deep Space Nine, it used light hearted episodes, to fight viewing fatigue of the audience and to rebuild tension after dramatic episodes.
The weaker elements of the Dark Knight Returns is that it doesnt have enough comedy to help break up its tension and regulate the drama.
Demanding a Drama without comedy or reclassifying a Drama as comedy because it has comedy in it, is just dumb.
Nine, that was a movie that didnt know how to use comedy to regulate tension.
I don't know, sometimes I find that frustrating when they add comedic elements to a story that should not have them. Take Darker Than Black for instance. The worst part about the show and the only thing about it that is not great is the two comic relief characters randomly thrown in that break the serious tone.
It's a weird divide in Western media. There are so many live action drama shows - it's pretty clear we have a huge audience for drama. Why aren't any ever animated?
Because most North Americans consider cartoons for children and would mark it off without ever actually watching it on that basis.
Post by: Neonivek on January 16, 2013, 04:28:18 am
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Because most North Americans consider cartoons for children and would mark it off without ever actually watching it on that basis
Ohh it is far worse. Anything with a "G" or "E" or whatever rating you use, is generally hated.
Mind you they TRIED to make adult cartoons but the only things that have ever succeeded were comedies (The Simpsons and Family guy).
Children are generally treated as both money machines and Garbage dumps. Everyone I hear "its for kids" and it isn't for REALLY young children I want to smack them. All my favorite movies and shows as a kid were generally stuff that is still considered good and great now with quite a few exceptions.
Believe it or not one of the major deciding factors for whether a cartoon gets made, well a cartoon movie, is if you can make toys out of it.
Mind you I find cartoons usually have much better pacing then adult shows. Adult shows tend to meander a lot often to build atmosphere, but that atmosphere is usually "office setting".
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 16, 2013, 04:36:57 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 16, 2013, 04:38:15 am
There are a lot of good comedies that are clearly targeted at adults. Archer and stuff. Would it really be a huge stretch to go for something similar in a different genre?
ALL cartoons that are successfully marketed towards adults are Comedies... it is ONLY comedies. Period.
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 16, 2013, 04:49:22 am
I'm just surprised nobody big has really seemed to want to.
Post by: Neonivek on January 16, 2013, 04:57:37 am
I know. And I was asking if it was really that hard to make a cartoon in a similar genre. I guess my wording was vague.
I'm just surprised nobody big has really seemed to want to.
They have, it failed badly.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 16, 2013, 07:52:32 am
Because most North Americans consider cartoons for children and would mark it off without ever actually watching it on that basis.The thing is though that there are drama series for children. So this wouldn't fully explain it.
Post by: Neonivek on January 16, 2013, 07:04:19 pm
Because most North Americans consider cartoons for children and would mark it off without ever actually watching it on that basis.The thing is though that there are drama series for children. So this wouldn't fully explain it.
I think what it is, is that Comedy is just easier to get a success when produced for children.
In all my life I have only seen one child cartoon that was almost entirely a Drama and it still had plenty of comedy, which was almost exclusively contained in the comic relief characters who would show up at least once per episode. The rest were Sitcoms (Like 6Teen) or where the comedy saturation was THICK (MLP for example even if it is a drama... it is at least sub-comedy).
Now it also lacked Action as well. In fact one character "Knew martial arts" but did not use it once through the entire series (and unfortunately yes... she was "The Asian"... and even the fans groan at it)
and better yet it WAS popular. In fact the only reason it was eventually cancelled was because the toyline failed and not the show.
But that was the 80s, the 80s had everything that we desperately don't have now. Including female oriented action shows and Adventure shows (Goodness was the original MLP crazy! Even more so then the one we got now. I'd LOVE to see them even TRY to have the Skeleton horses of death now adays). It also had some really really bad shows too (I will be the first to admit... Biker Mice from Mars was pretty cheesy and bad).
I hate that I keep mentioning Jem and the Holograms (The non-comedy drama childrens cartoon that did have comedy but not a saturation), but ever since it astounded me by not being a terrible show, like I expected it to, I've been enthralled by how it can even exist. Actually the most hillarious parts of the show IMO were not even intentional and made to get a laugh, ohh the death traps in that show.
MIND you it had plenty of other things that were steriotypical and dreadful. You know those children shows that try to teach you a lesson? Yeah... Jem did that with all the tact of a sledge hammer. Lets just say they sing TWO SONGS about reading (the same one), Three songs about charity works and being helpful, and of all these the only good "learn a lesson" song was on comming onto strong.
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The thing is though that there are drama series for children
Of the ones that exist NOW and arn't action or Comedy the only ones are for REALLY young children age 1-6.
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Also anyone remember the Magic Schoolbus? Honestly that was an amazing show and I think it should be institutionalised as a pernament part of television.
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Post by: Neonivek on January 16, 2013, 07:27:40 pm
Ah yes, the Magic School Bus. Ms. Frizzle was the best teacher ever.
She was a bit too manipulative for my taste.
In fact one episode I remember best of all was the episode where she brings the children's parents on one of her fieldtrips in order to discredit the children's stories or explain it in someway.
That was... kinda iffy even for Ms. Frizzle.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 16, 2013, 07:28:00 pm
Of the ones that exist NOW and arn't action or Comedy the only ones are for REALLY young children age 1-6.I've watched a few BBC ones. I guess they're in decline though really.
Post by: Vattic on January 17, 2013, 03:14:34 am
Trust me when I say there were some really weird episodes as well as episodes where the ending was pretty much a punch line.Fair enough when you say weird for Daria, the musical one for a start, but having an episode end on a punch line can be fine given your criteria. I also can't see a King of the Hill episode ending with a out of character punch line. I'd like an example if you can?
Post by: Neonivek on January 17, 2013, 05:00:03 am
Trust me when I say there were some really weird episodes as well as episodes where the ending was pretty much a punch line.Fair enough when you say weird for Daria, the musical one for a start, but having an episode end on a punch line can be fine given your criteria. I also can't see a King of the Hill episode ending with a out of character punch line. I'd like an example if you can?
It is really hard to say given that pretty much anything can happen in King of the Hill. Hank breaking his stingy persona to do something really stupid in public? Yep that certainly happened.
Post by: Vattic on January 17, 2013, 05:11:26 am
Trust me when I say there were some really weird episodes as well as episodes where the ending was pretty much a punch line.Fair enough when you say weird for Daria, the musical one for a start, but having an episode end on a punch line can be fine given your criteria. I also can't see a King of the Hill episode ending with a out of character punch line. I'd like an example if you can?
It is really hard to say given that pretty much anything can happen in King of the Hill. Hank breaking his stingy persona to do something really stupid in public? Yep that certainly happened.
Not really sure what you mean by stingy, must be you have a different definition. Hank does frequently feel pressured by his family to do things that are out of character but I'm not so sure that is what you mean?
Edit: You are correct when you say KotH is comedy but it is one of the closest western cartoon series I know of to drama. They dealt with mature topics and situations and, against the studios wishes, had decent character progression across episodes. I would say it was not comedy in the same vein as the Simpsons. Much drama has comedy after all.
Post by: Neonivek on January 17, 2013, 05:15:07 am
Anyhow there is no ending I can think of that are out of character for anyone just for a joke. I mean they have made characters dumber, smarter, more competent, and less competent depending on the episode but that is because King of the Hill is semiepisodic
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Post by: Neonivek on January 17, 2013, 05:29:46 pm
There really is a lack of straight up drama cartoons but I can remember a few. They do arguably stretch the definition a bit and all include action to varying extents but: Farthing Wood, Wind in the Willows, and Watership Down were all on when I was little.
Ahh yes that was on for a bit. Watership down was soo boring! but that is to be expected out of a cartoon made to extent a plotline much further then could be withstood.
Post by: Karlito on January 17, 2013, 09:00:46 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on January 17, 2013, 10:41:12 pm
Ow my x button finger.
Post by: Neonivek on January 17, 2013, 10:58:51 pm
Post by: Jimmy on January 18, 2013, 03:14:32 am
This Gravity Falls flash game is surprisingly good (http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/games/rumbles-revenge-2017596).They hate Australians it seems. Link redirects to the .au domain, which doesn't have that one.
Post by: Neonivek on January 18, 2013, 03:15:51 am
Where any cartoon is in the childrens section UNLESS it is anime.
I wonder if the Justice League though is on the normal section. So I may have to retract this... even if I am still mad I had to go to the kids section to watch the awsome 90s xmen cartoon.
Post by: kaijyuu on January 19, 2013, 02:43:18 pm
EDIT: I DID successfully glitch the game and fight two Rumbles, though.
Post by: MrWiggles on January 19, 2013, 03:11:42 pm
Archer did a Bob's Burger cross over.
It made me smile and laugh greatly.
Post by: Scelly9 on January 19, 2013, 04:42:50 pm
XDYeah, that was rather awesome.
Archer did a Bob's Burger cross over.
It made me smile and laugh greatly.
Post by: kaijyuu on January 19, 2013, 08:03:49 pm
Excuuuuse me, princess!
Post by: Furtuka on January 20, 2013, 04:25:36 pm
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Post by: Levi on January 21, 2013, 12:29:59 pm
the end of the new Young Justice episode made me go "Oh Crap!" Also Green Beetle is awesome. That is all
Agreed! I loved the bit where impulse says "All martians love television" and the Green Beetle simply responses "Indeed!" like its an absolute truth. :D
Post by: Neonivek on January 21, 2013, 12:32:20 pm
the end of the new Young Justice episode made me go "Oh Crap!" Also Green Beetle is awesome. That is all
Agreed! I loved the bit where impulse says "All martians love television" and the Green Beetle simply responses "Indeed!" like its an absolute truth. :D
Too bad I know Green Beetle is evil
No I didn't read any comics... it is just obvious
Though given the sheer amount of things I can deduce it may end up in spoiler territory.
Post by: Furtuka on January 21, 2013, 12:45:42 pm
the end of the new Young Justice episode made me go "Oh Crap!" Also Green Beetle is awesome. That is all
Agreed! I loved the bit where impulse says "All martians love television" and the Green Beetle simply responses "Indeed!" like its an absolute truth. :D
Too bad I know Green Beetle is evil
No I didn't read any comics... it is just obvious
Though given the sheer amount of things I can deduce it may end up in spoiler territory.
He actually does not exist in the comics so it's up in the air right now. Right now I'm inclined to think he's probably good, but likely to turn out really racist once he meets M'gann
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 21, 2013, 02:11:23 pm
Post by: Karlito on January 21, 2013, 03:25:11 pm
(Of course they have (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN0LVmZqed4))
Post by: Scoops Novel on January 21, 2013, 03:44:00 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 21, 2013, 03:54:51 pm
Does this fall under the purview of web-comics? If not, i vote that it's included.
Seeing how the Anime thread can be uttarly swamped with Manga and that Webcomics are not the natural extension of Cartoons like Manga and Visual novels are.
I say no.
Post by: Karlito on January 21, 2013, 03:55:45 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 21, 2013, 03:56:37 pm
We have threads for a couple specific webcomics and there's a few general webcomic threads, they just don't tend to stay on the first page for very long.
It is probably because Webcomics are less shared.
Post by: kaijyuu on January 21, 2013, 04:20:56 pm
Does this fall under the purview of web-comics? If not, i vote that it's included.Naw, not really. There are a few webcomic threads already. Plus, I'm already including a lot of "western media" that's not just animation, like comic books.
Post by: Neonivek on January 22, 2013, 01:15:36 am
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On Ultimate Spiderman... I don't know why but everytime I see one of his "cool gadgets" I just groan.
Ok I NEED to know. Is ultimate Spiderman good? because frankly the conclusion I keep hitting is no. (I am serious... I want to know if I am just not getting how "hip" it is. It is one of those shows that I cannot see why it is popular, but I can see that it could be popular. Just like how 'Life with Bonnie" is the complete opposite which is that it was a show I loved but that I knew was supremely unpopular)
Post by: Furtuka on January 26, 2013, 11:05:34 am
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 26, 2013, 12:03:25 pm
I'm just popping in to say that the old Zelda cartoon is fucking amazing. I just watched it with my fiance and her brother, and it is so paradoxically good and bad at the same time that we were laughing pretty much the entire time. Link and Zelda are both hilarious sociopaths and Ganon is so pathetic he's sympathetic.Might I ask where this is to be found?
Excuuuuse me, princess!
Post by: kaijyuu on January 26, 2013, 01:26:43 pm
I guess I should note that it's one of those shows that's a million times better when you have some friends to watch it with. Our snarky commentary was 90% of the fun.
Post by: Scelly9 on January 28, 2013, 02:00:02 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 28, 2013, 02:52:31 am
American Dad had Patrick Stewart in it this week, and the entire episode was set in a play. Heh, it's pretty good.
Odd given that Patric Stewart is one of its voice actors.
Post by: Jimmy on January 28, 2013, 04:43:00 am
It's also hardly surprising he'd perform well in a theatre type episode, considering he performed in the Royal Shakespeare Company from 1966 to 1982.
Seriously, the man is legendary.
Post by: Neonivek on January 28, 2013, 04:44:29 am
Sir Patrick Stewart voices the regularly appearing character Avery Bullock in American Dad.
It's also hardly surprising he'd perform well in a theatre type episode, considering he performed in the Royal Shakespeare Company from 1966 to 1982.
Seriously, the man is legendary.
I am curious though if he ended up feeling it was a good experience. Given that I hear he only did Star Trek because he thought it wouldn't last very long.
Post by: Furtuka on January 28, 2013, 09:30:54 pm
Post by: Sergius on January 28, 2013, 09:44:53 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/young-justice-green-lantern-canceled.html)
Well, they had to make room for this:
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/beware-the-batman.jpg)
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 28, 2013, 09:48:31 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on January 28, 2013, 09:56:53 pm
Post by: Furtuka on January 28, 2013, 09:58:08 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 28, 2013, 10:02:20 pm
In return though we get Teen Titans back!
Which version? A new one or a continuation?
Also yeah... that new Batman has me worried.
-Batman the animated series is just legendary and frankly amazing.
-The Batman was terrible but actually became good. It is actually the only Cartoon I ever seen that manages to make a 180 from terrible into good. (I won't lie. It did have cool action sequences). Ending with Batman Versus Dracula which manages to actually capture the sort of level of quality the animated series could muster. (Or rather... It would have been a great animated series episode too).
-The Brave and the Bold: It was campy but in many ways it managed to know exactly what made us love Batman. As well it didn't just non-stop praise him all the time as other characters would have their time in the spotlight. It was pretty good. Not as good as the animated series, but better then The Batman.
Yet this? It screams a bit too heavily of what made "The Batman" so terrible at first. An over focus on action.
Post by: Tellemurius on January 28, 2013, 10:04:31 pm
Post by: Levi on January 28, 2013, 10:05:07 pm
Post by: Furtuka on January 28, 2013, 10:05:16 pm
In return though we get Teen Titans back!
Which version? A new one or a continuation?
It's the same verse and characters as the old Teen Titans show, but it's a comedy show where everyone is chibi that was created in response to the good reception of the New Teen Titans comedy shorts that aired on DC Nation
Post by: kaijyuu on January 28, 2013, 10:07:22 pm
It's... horrible. A bad pun every 5 seconds. Unabashed fourth wall breaking. Literally incomprehensible audio because the voice actors are speaking too fast. And... that's pretty much it.
Post by: Furtuka on January 28, 2013, 10:08:23 pm
Though personally I kinda liked it from what I saw on his livestream of it. He also aired the original show subbed as a comparison and it was just dull because of how generic it was. I think I read somewhere that even the producers of the original liked the dub more, but I can't seem to find the source now.
Post by: Neonivek on January 28, 2013, 10:10:43 pm
Just watched two episodes of Samurai Pizza Cats. I'm posting here because although it was originally an anime, it was redubbed, cut and paste, and pretty much entirely remade by a western team.
It's... horrible. A bad pun every 5 seconds. Unabashed fourth wall breaking. Literally incomprehensible audio because the voice actors are speaking too fast. And... that's pretty much it.
That is exactly why it is so great.
Also remember the original is bad
Post by: MrWiggles on January 29, 2013, 12:23:10 am
YJ is cancelled.
Post by: NobodyPro on January 29, 2013, 12:34:40 am
BUENOYJ?
YJ is cancelled.
Anyway, Adventure Time has surprised the hell out of me. I'm always surprised to see that the episodes only go for ten minutes.
Post by: MrWiggles on January 29, 2013, 12:58:29 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 29, 2013, 01:19:56 am
What the heck? It was just getting good!
And yet ultimate Spiderman which is terrible... Is still around.
Post by: Powder Miner on January 29, 2013, 01:25:54 am
One of the best written cartoons I've ever seen. What are they replacing it with? More crap?
Edit: NOOO THIS IS NOT PROPER DC CARTOONS NOOOO
MY TEEN TITANS MEMORIES
YOU BASTAAAARDS
Post by: Jopax on January 29, 2013, 05:23:14 am
Seriously, did they give any reason for the cancellation? Since the show was pretty awesome and was one of the rare things that made the DC universe not seem shit, as put in the episode with the RT the older heroes are all stiff and boring while the youngsters are much more interesting to watch.
Post by: Neonivek on January 29, 2013, 05:46:34 am
Post by: Furtuka on January 29, 2013, 07:27:24 am
I think it might be because the toyline petered out a few months ago
Post by: kaijyuu on January 30, 2013, 04:10:51 am
Her reaction: Much disappointment. We got a lot of snarky comments out of it, though!
Post by: Tellemurius on January 30, 2013, 10:07:57 am
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Post by: Neonivek on January 30, 2013, 04:00:23 pm
I kinda stopped watching superhero cartoons after the Batman and Superman animated series (that's plural series, btw, not a single series featuring both) along with Batman Beyond. They were already the best damn superhero cartoons ever, so why try the new ones?
Different experiences, concepts, and ideas.
I mean... Neither Superman, Batman, or the Justice league ever touched the same feelings that the 90s Xmen cartoon did.
Post by: Naryar on January 30, 2013, 04:29:40 pm
I did liked Dexter's Laboratory when I was young.
The old Golden age cartoons, mostly Hanna-Barbera stuff, are possibly the funniest cartoons I have ever seen. If I want a good laugh, I'll go watch some Tom & Jerry or Road Runner & Coyote. Never fails.
Watched a bit of Teen Titans, and it's pretty nice.
I didn't watch much of avatar : the last airbender, but just for Toph and Iroh it's worth watching. The plot isn't incredibly original, but it's nice.
The legend of Korra : very good in overall. Interesting characters, although I am a bit disappointed by the main character. Lin Beifong, however, is made of awesome.
Post by: Neonivek on January 30, 2013, 04:35:08 pm
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The legend of Korra : very good in overall. Interesting characters, although I am a bit disappointed by the main character. Lin Beifong, however, is made of awesome
Honestly I get the impression that the creators had a very good idea of what they wanted to do with this show... but some executives came over and went "Hey, this is too serious for kids. Make sure you soften it, maybe throw in a fart joke or two" and they had to comply.
Post by: Levi on January 30, 2013, 04:40:52 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 30, 2013, 04:41:46 pm
Legend of Korra didn't have the same charm for me. I was kinda meh about most of it. And the ending I hated, it reminded me of one of those dumb sitcom endings where everything is back to normal at the end of each episode.
Ohh I just needed one episode to tell me it wasn't the same show as The Last Airbender.
But... I kinda think it should have went all the way. Rather then try to halfheartedly hold onto the standard.
Post by: kaijyuu on January 30, 2013, 05:00:27 pm
I found it had a few merits myself (mostly that a couple characters were alright here and there), but overall I found the writing to be terrible and the vast majority of the cast to be flat and boring. I could probably write an entire essay on how Mako's the male version of a trophy girl the hero gets at the end.
Post by: Levi on January 30, 2013, 05:27:52 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 30, 2013, 05:32:21 pm
The one thing I DID like about Korra was Korra herself. I thought she was an interesting character, and one that had an actual personality. It was mostly the world and plot around her I didn't care for.
What I didn't like about Korra was that... some of the other characters actually would have made the better main character.
Post by: Levi on January 30, 2013, 05:46:16 pm
At least Korra actually showed some emotion and personality. There were bits where she was frozen with fear, frustrated, cocky, awkward and dismissive. That kind of range generally doesn't show up in cartoons.
Post by: Neonivek on January 30, 2013, 05:47:28 pm
Post by: Levi on January 30, 2013, 05:53:02 pm
What makes you think I am siding with any of the teens?
They got the most screentime and were most involved in the story. I think its a natural assumption unless you are completely re-writing the show. :)
Post by: Zangi on January 30, 2013, 07:00:15 pm
I'd totally do that.What makes you think I am siding with any of the teens?
They got the most screentime and were most involved in the story. I think its a natural assumption unless you are completely re-writing the show. :)
*Insert more Korra bashing here.*
Yea, it didn't catch the... magic, quite like Avatar:TLAB did. Or maybe I'm just simply unfavorable toward American toon's 'teen' stuff.
Post by: Neonivek on January 30, 2013, 09:22:49 pm
They DID things, they planned ahead, and they showed far more range of emotion.
I get the impression that the "Teen and Kid" aspects of the show were phoned in because they had to. It is the only way to explain the huge difference of quality.
Post by: Glowcat on January 31, 2013, 12:26:08 am
I'd totally do that.What makes you think I am siding with any of the teens?
They got the most screentime and were most involved in the story. I think its a natural assumption unless you are completely re-writing the show. :)
*Insert more Korra bashing here.*
Yea, it didn't catch the... magic, quite like Avatar:TLAB did. Or maybe I'm just simply unfavorable toward American toon's 'teen' stuff.
Korra wasn't terrible but I did feel it lacked some character that was found in its predecessor. It's not just the rushed ending either, but something about the character dynamics that I can't quite put my finger on. Possibly less focus on relationship drama? Better done character development? Or the awesomeness that is Toph and Iroh? I'm still not quite sure what pushed TLAB into great while Korra remains merely good in my mind.
Post by: Sirus on January 31, 2013, 12:31:31 am
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but something about the character dynamics that I can't quite put my finger on. Possibly less focus on relationship drama? Better done character development? Or the awesomeness that is Toph and Iroh?
It is because all the elements are there but they never come together as a cohesive whole. They always felt like seperate elements.
It is just weak.
Post by: Furtuka on January 31, 2013, 07:47:13 am
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 31, 2013, 12:15:16 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on January 31, 2013, 02:57:00 pm
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Legend of Korra review!
I'm not going to mark spoilers since, even if you haven't seen it already and care for some reason, it's really not hard to foresee the plot twists. Like this guy (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121112165705/avatar/images/d/d1/Tarrlok.png) "secretly" being evil; rather than this being a surprise, the viewer is left wondering from the moment he appears how he even got a seat on the Council in the first place. Do they have a designated Chair of Evil or something? And the leader of the evil anti-Bending group turns out to be a Bender himself, and... trust me, if you think "what is the most stupid and obvious thing to do" you'll predict 90% of the plot while watching.
The remaining 10% that's hard to foresee are the contrived coincidences. It's fine to premise a story on something unlikely happening to begin the plot, like "two young people from the Water Tribe stumble across the frozen Avatar," but using them during the story is another matter entirely. Like resolving Mako's financial problems by having a new wealthy heiress character smash into him on her motorcycle and instantly fall in love with him. (If you haven't seen the show, yes, that's a completely fair account of what actually happens.) Special mention goes to Tenzin and his family getting captured with no adequate explanation. "We saw them get away!" shouts Korra, and viewers too, but to no avail. There was apparently an off-screen contrived coincidence, which deserves some kind of medal.
Anyway, one major problem is that the characters are a lot weaker than TLAB's characters, even though both series are structured to rely on strong characters. This is partly because Legend of Korra's characters are individually less complex and interesting, but what's more important is that their relationships are simplistic or nonexistent. The entire dynamic among Korra, Mako, Bolin, and Asami is driven by them being romantically entangled, and two of them being brothers, and... nothing else. What does Asami think of Bolin? "He's the brother of that guy I'm in love with" is the best I can come up with; two members of the protagonist's main group don't even have a defined relationship! Contrast with the way TLAB could throw any pair of characters together and get an interesting episode, like the field trips with Zuko. The bad relationships are so bad that they even manage to mess up other things; Asami has a lot of potential as a character after she realizes her father is evil (plus the electricity glove and being able to drive a car were pretty cool), but she gets almost no further development due to all her scenes being eaten up by the unresolved romance subplots.
Strangely, there are still a few decent characters, except they get relatively little screen time and aren't used to much effect. Tenzin is kind of cool for exemplifying Air Nomad philosophy despite having a totally different personality from the ones we'd seen previously, and Lin has more character depth than most of the cast (which is admittedly not hard). Tenzin, Lin, and Pema having a (mostly) resolved love triangle is a lot more interesting than the main party's situation, too; it was something that could be brought up a few times without consuming entire episodes.
Then there's a laundry list of miscellaneous complaints that show they didn't put nearly as much effort into the setting as in TLAB.And finally, the ending. It somehow managed to exceed the rest of the already bad plot in a kind of monument to sheer badness. I had hoped, based on the actually interesting plots in TLAB, that Korra wouldn't get her other bending back, but would have grown enough as a person to appreciate how valuable her Airbending was (especially with so few Airbenders left in the world). When she contacted Aang I thought "oh, so maybe she can use his energy-bending thing in reverse to give the people who lost their bending Airbending, restoring the balance of the elements!" And then we'd get an awesome scene of the Wolfbat guy and Lin trying to learn their new Airbending. But no, instead we just undo all the consequences of the plot for poorly-explained reasons. And Tarrlok blowing up himself and his brother was not totally out-of-character, but it looked suspiciously like a way to dispose of them without making the main cast guilty of their deaths, which was completely contrary to the emphasis in the first series about how all life is valuable. Having some suggestion that they were planning to reform, like plotting a course to go on an actual hunting trip in the North together as brothers, would have been more appropriate.
- Is there really no explanation for the super-bloodbending ability except "random mutation"? I thought this was Avatar, not X-Men.
- In a world with place names like Omashu and Ba Sing Se, why the heck is the capital called Republic City? That sounds like something from a particularly stupid part of Star Wars.
- Why is the giant Aang statue
of libertyof young Aang instead of his adult form? "We have like three entire continents to rebuild from a hundred-year war, so your first task is to erect an enormous statue of me"?- And just how the crap do the scoring rules of pro-bending even work?
I feel like I've only scratched the surface of the problems with this series, but I think that covers most of the major issues. Other than the exorbitant amount of time spent on the pro-bending arc. And the main party being uniformly stupid. And the police somehow failing to find the explosives in the most visible part of the arena. And a large standing army/navy existing despite the world allegedly being united and at peace. And...
Post by: Levi on January 31, 2013, 03:02:44 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 31, 2013, 03:25:26 pm
Post by: Glowcat on January 31, 2013, 03:33:41 pm
... Now that I'm remembering this stuff I'm getting annoyed at what they did. Most of my enjoyment came from the art style, the bending part of the setting, and some decent combat scenes.
Post by: Sirus on January 31, 2013, 05:23:01 pm
(just my minor nitpick)
Post by: Karlito on January 31, 2013, 05:29:53 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 31, 2013, 05:33:35 pm
Mostly fair criticisms there, but despite that, Korra is at least a B-grade show. It's by no means flawless, but there's still plenty of enjoyment to be had by watching it.This is my view, basically.
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 31, 2013, 05:35:31 pm
I've got a friend that's spent enough time on the /co/ anti-Korra circlejerk that he thinks the show is shit and the writers should all be fired. I don't like when internet discussion turns people into that.
Post by: kaijyuu on February 01, 2013, 06:29:21 pm
Just because you enjoyed it doesn't mean it's not flawed though. Remember though that everything is flawed (the question is just how much), and also that there's no shame in saying "yeah it had a problem, but I don't care."
The first time I watched Korra I got some enjoyment out of it, despite sort of disliking it overall. It has a few merits. It doesn't stand up to analysis though which in the end is what I personally care most about. Thus I file it into the "I was entertained" folder, which is for things that passed the time well enough but doesn't have much value past that.
The second time through I got a lot of good snark from it with the fiance :)
Post by: Furtuka on February 02, 2013, 10:39:16 am
Post by: kerlc on February 02, 2013, 01:41:52 pm
Although I personally much preffer the original Avatar world. Mostly because it's not so gritty and showered with the eternal de-characterifier that is the Industrial Revolution.
Post by: Neonivek on February 02, 2013, 07:27:41 pm
Sooooo does anyone have any idea what the japanese girl was saying in todays young justice?
Does it matter? It is cancelled! we might not even get the conclusion :'(
Post by: Furtuka on February 02, 2013, 08:02:55 pm
Post by: Neonivek on February 02, 2013, 10:30:29 pm
Neo, they said that they will air it out until the end of the season, which they have probably prepared in advance to serve as a end to the show given that there was no confirmed 3rd season back when it started airing.
What is weird about Young Justice is if you know the comics they are based off of... It is like they are fixing those storylines.
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 03, 2013, 05:22:28 am
Post by: Neonivek on February 03, 2013, 03:49:40 pm
Why is it that everytime I see Static Shock outside of... Static Shock (and that JLA episode)... he is suddenly criminalistic?
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No wait my mistake... he is Black Falcon, not Static Shock.
No wait my mistake again... it IS static Shock.
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 03, 2013, 05:21:55 pm
Post by: Neonivek on February 03, 2013, 05:35:45 pm
All black superheroes look the same, eh?
No, Black Falcon and Static Shock are very similar to eachother with the same color schemes and similar powers.
In fact if you look at the composition of the kids you will see that they were the other characters who were part of the Justice Friends where Static Shock is stepping in for Black Falcon.
Oddly enough Samurai is now a woman.
Post by: Furtuka on February 03, 2013, 05:48:47 pm
But er, eh I don't really think of Static taking the juice can as an indicator of him being portrayed with a criminal personality given their situation prevented them from having any form of money and they were in that "what it takes to survive" state that series with teenagers on the run always seem to have.
Post by: Neonivek on February 03, 2013, 05:52:44 pm
In fact that is probably what kinda hurts it. They keep talking about how "mean" star is but they never really demonstrate it. In fact by all means their tests are rather simple and lax. The only indication is that their breaks are only 15 minutes long and they have to wake up at 5am.
Something they probably more then could have negotiated, especially since... they can't force them to take the tests and they are only being held there for protection. Protection that they can actually refuse because there is no parent or guardian forcing them there.
Actually that is something... Why didn't they just ban together to refuse the testing? Ohh yes that is right... because forced antagonism.
Honestly British Glenn Beck was right!
Post by: Furtuka on February 03, 2013, 06:01:43 pm
Post by: Neonivek on February 03, 2013, 06:04:15 pm
The fact that except for Static all of them were runaways means that they probably don't consider the idea that authority can be reasoned with and are inclined to dislike it in the first place. Also they're teenagers, so I have doubts about their decision making abilities.
They are teens not mental patients.
As well the Runaways mostly did so because their families were abusive (actually... only one of them had an abusive parent, the other just wanted to meet his father who was far away from home, Static was just taking a train/bus, and the Japanese girl has absolutely no backstory or personality whatsoever).
Come to think of it... you are finding more plotholes then I am. Admittingly not on purpose but still.
Post by: Levi on February 04, 2013, 12:09:40 pm
Post by: Neonivek on February 04, 2013, 12:45:37 pm
I thought static shock seemed about right to me. He just wanted to get back to his family after being abducted and tortured by aliens.
Which frankly brings up the excellent question of: Why couldn't he?
Post by: Levi on February 04, 2013, 01:31:05 pm
I thought static shock seemed about right to me. He just wanted to get back to his family after being abducted and tortured by aliens.
Which frankly brings up the excellent question of: Why couldn't he?
Star Labs are jerks, thats why! :D
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 04, 2013, 08:19:21 pm
Post by: Jervill on February 10, 2013, 02:41:21 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on February 10, 2013, 02:42:41 pm
Just as a reminder, new Gravity Falls airs this Friday. :D!!!!!
Awesome!
Post by: Neonivek on February 11, 2013, 02:30:23 am
It was pretty good but I can't help feeling that they are rushing events to get to where they need to at the end.
I don't know, I guess I was expecting something more grand or subtle.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 21, 2013, 01:41:23 am
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Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 01:44:13 am
The only thing I know about this topic is that people weren't born with the ability to bend. It actually had to be learned.
It begs the question as to why people without bending cannot be initiated into bending.
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 21, 2013, 01:53:10 am
Adventure Time too. It turns out Marhsall Lee's voice actor was still sweet.
Post by: Remalle on February 21, 2013, 02:48:04 am
Honestly Avatar has always been fuzzy on what exactly allows people to bend.From what I understand it's a combination of spirituality and genetics. You're either born with the capacity to bend, or you're not, but your parents are the deciding factor (for example the Air Nomads, a culture of high spirituality, had a 100% bender birth rate, and being airbenders the children were airbenders too). When you have mixed-race pairings the children are born able to bend only one of the elements of their parents, if any (Aang and Katara had one airbending child, one waterbending child, and one non-bending child). There's even cases in otherwise identical twins where one is a bender and one is not.
The only thing I know about this topic is that people weren't born with the ability to bend. It actually had to be learned.
It begs the question as to why people without bending cannot be initiated into bending.
Also I've heard that there's word of god confirming Sokka had the "waterbending gene" but due to his lack of spirituality never discovered that particular talent of his.
This'll probably all be addressed in greater detail once book two of Korra ("Spirits") is out. Sometime this year, officially, so probably in three years or so real time.
Wow, if I'd posted this anywhere else I'd look like a huge geek- well, actually, I guess I still do :P
Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 03:11:54 am
It was something created by the first benders that "alligns" people at birth to certain elements.
Yet that... isn't supported
Honestly I thought that Aang's children would have ended up being able to use one of any of the four elements.
Post by: kaijyuu on February 21, 2013, 04:40:14 am
Dipper's a fine character but gets a bit too much screen time usually. It was good to see him screw up with his captured monster. My only complaint for this episode is that he defeated the monster and not Mabel at the end.
Post by: Glowcat on February 21, 2013, 04:55:19 am
Dipper's a fine character but gets a bit too much screen time usually. It was good to see him screw up with his captured monster. My only complaint for this episode is that he defeated the monster and not Mabel at the end.
That's because fighting Mabel is a losing prospect.
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 21, 2013, 06:02:49 am
Post by: Glowcat on February 21, 2013, 06:41:14 am
I think he meant Mabel should have defeated the monster.
Right... I uh... I knew that. :-[
Post by: Jervill on February 21, 2013, 11:56:48 am
"Draculee, Dracula" was a Warners short and was hilarious watching them torment the poor guy, and they certainly got mileage out of the Pennsylvania/Transylvania gag. :D (14 minutes)
"Phranken Runt" was a Rita & Runt episode; not a bad one either. Nothing spectacular though. (7 minutes)
"Hot, Bothered, and Bedeviled" was about the Warners visiting hell and dealing with Satan; kind of hit and miss. (7 minutes)
"Moon Over Minerva" A Minerva Mink short...just, wow. I can't believe this episode passed the censors. (7 minutes)
"Skullhead Boneyhands"-There was one joke they could have made, and that was it. Pretty dull. (7 minutes)
Post by: MrWiggles on February 21, 2013, 09:00:25 pm
Honestly Avatar has always been fuzzy on what exactly allows people to bend.From what I understand it's a combination of spirituality and genetics. You're either born with the capacity to bend, or you're not, but your parents are the deciding factor (for example the Air Nomads, a culture of high spirituality, had a 100% bender birth rate, and being airbenders the children were airbenders too). When you have mixed-race pairings the children are born able to bend only one of the elements of their parents, if any (Aang and Katara had one airbending child, one waterbending child, and one non-bending child). There's even cases in otherwise identical twins where one is a bender and one is not.
The only thing I know about this topic is that people weren't born with the ability to bend. It actually had to be learned.
It begs the question as to why people without bending cannot be initiated into bending.
Also I've heard that there's word of god confirming Sokka had the "waterbending gene" but due to his lack of spirituality never discovered that particular talent of his.
This'll probably all be addressed in greater detail once book two of Korra ("Spirits") is out. Sometime this year, officially, so probably in three years or so real time.
Wow, if I'd posted this anywhere else I'd look like a huge geek- well, actually, I guess I still do :P
That genetic thing, I think was something invented by fans through fan wank. Its a martial art with magic kabooms. There are many public schools with /open/ registration, which greatly implies that anyone and everyone can learn, though some may take longer then others.
All of the origin of the bending, required learning it form nature, not from selective fucking.
Post by: Glowcat on February 21, 2013, 10:52:12 pm
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That genetic thing, I think was something invented by fans through fan wank. Its a martial art with magic kabooms. There are many public schools with /open/ registration, which greatly implies that anyone and everyone can learn, though some may take longer then others.
All of the origin of the bending, required learning it form nature, not from selective fucking.
But that doesn't make sense, because we know that only the Avatar is able to learn all 4 elements and if it was possible to just pick up bending (without spirit intervention) we'd have seen at least some other benders practicing. Pema was also specifically hoping for a child that wouldn't be an airbender which strongly implies it's inherited. The schools would be for those with bending to improve on their natural ability.
Heck, The Legend of Korra (Season 1) focuses all around the fact that some people can bend while others cannot, so if it was some kind of skill I'd be very surprised.
Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 11:10:21 pm
Post by: Pnx on February 21, 2013, 11:19:45 pm
So we know that the avatar is reincarnated right? It's the same spirit every time and the spirit has to pass on from the world before it can go back into it and be born into another tribe. What I was thinking is that maybe this was true for pretty much everyone... Here's my hypothetical scenario:
What if way back when in the beginning of time everyone could bend all four elements thanks to the great gods/spirits/whatever... however this proved to be a bit too much power for them, so the spirits in their great wisdom decided to limit everyone's powers to one of the four elements. But then seperating all the people into four groups drives everyone to conflict, so they create the avatar, who is supposed to be a kind of mediator between all the different benders. Time passes on and the four tribes begin to develop into unique cultures, bending passes on through reincarnation of the first people, but since there's a limited pool of bending souls, not everyone is born a bender, this might also lend some explanation to the geneology thing.
I was thinking that maybe the reason why you seem to get these strong bending families that inherit bending despite it seemingly being very random is because bending souls are all snooty and prefer ones that are genelogically more related to them, so more "pureblood" families are more likely to draw a bending soul. Whereas the peasants who seem to have less benders per capita are like that because they've intermixed.
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 22, 2013, 12:34:23 am
Post by: Neonivek on February 25, 2013, 01:35:58 am
I think I am inlove with him.
I honestly thought he was supposed to be a Glenn Beck Parody at first but he makes constantly good points.
Post by: Levi on February 25, 2013, 11:12:54 am
Although he COULD still be a puppet of Lex Luthor's...
Post by: Neonivek on February 25, 2013, 10:30:45 pm
I'd hate for him to be a lacky.
Post by: Jervill on March 04, 2013, 09:23:45 pm
Post by: Aqizzar on March 04, 2013, 10:27:50 pm
I finally figured out what some cartoon I loved when I was 9 or 10 was called when it was cancelled. All I remember was loving it and it involved anthropomorphic dogs being superheroes and aired on Kids' WB. It was apparently called Road Rovers (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/RoadRovers?from=Main.RoadRovers) and only ran for 13 episodes. I'm probably not going to bother watching the episodes now, but still, that had been bugging me for awhile as to just what the show was called.
Oh God, that show. It was actually crap, but Cartoon Network fucking loved it for a good few years.
I could never figure out if the Zordon-type dude was supposed to be dead or something.
Post by: MrWiggles on March 04, 2013, 10:57:50 pm
I think I've watched every episode of that show... my childhood reflection said it wasnt that bad.
Post by: Euld on March 05, 2013, 12:12:14 am
In terms of Young Justice I think my absolute favorite side character is Gordon Godfrey.Godfrey is still around? They had him for one episode in the Justice League, and he was definitely a Glenn Beck parody there. Think the episode involved some dark crystal that took control of people who held it.
I think I am inlove with him.
I honestly thought he was supposed to be a Glenn Beck Parody at first but he makes constantly good points.
Post by: Neonivek on March 05, 2013, 02:23:06 am
Ignoring that I didn't grow up with Road Rovers.
Post by: kaijyuu on March 05, 2013, 03:03:32 pm
Godfrey is still around? They had him for one episode in the Justice League, and he was definitely a Glenn Beck parody there. Think the episode involved some dark crystal that took control of people who held it.Ah yes, I remember that episode. It was awesome until they explained where the crystal came from (weird snake people from millions of years ago); some things are best left unexplained and mysterious, people.
Anyway yeah, he was a hilarious Glenn Beck parody there.
Post by: Shook on March 05, 2013, 03:18:14 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on March 07, 2013, 12:05:28 am
Though I must say, the rest of Disney Channel's shows are horrendous. Those "sitcoms" directed at "modern youth" are mind-numbing.
Post by: Neonivek on March 07, 2013, 12:06:44 am
I saw some of Phineas and Ferb the other day, it looks pretty cool. It was a/the meatloaf episode. I can understand the appeal of the show now, it reminds me of Fairly Odd Parents.
Though I must say, the rest of Disney Channel's shows are horrendous. Those "sitcoms" directed at "modern youth" are mind-numbing.
As someone who was once a child I have been in that situation where someone asks "What have you done this summer" and wished I could just add so much.
It is a show that really channels childhood quite well.
Note: Adventure-time doesn't channel childhood.
Post by: Neonivek on March 23, 2013, 08:46:54 pm
Don't get me wrong it was a fine ending IF there was going to be another season. yet as something meant to conclude the entire series it kinda leaves me empty.
If I am wrong and there are still 4 episodes left or something, Opps!
Post by: Sirus on March 23, 2013, 08:49:53 pm
Teen Titans did the same thing, IIRC.
Post by: MrWiggles on March 23, 2013, 09:50:09 pm
I predict a direct-to-video movie in the works. Just because.Teen Titans in Japan wasnt meant to tie up the series as some sorta of finale, though it did provide more assurance to Robin and Starfire realtionship.
Teen Titans did the same thing, IIRC.
Post by: Sirus on March 24, 2013, 03:06:01 am
Doesn't mean they still can't have a grande finale movie.I predict a direct-to-video movie in the works. Just because.Teen Titans in Japan wasnt meant to tie up the series as some sorta of finale, though it did provide more assurance to Robin and Starfire realtionship.
Teen Titans did the same thing, IIRC.
Post by: Jervill on March 26, 2013, 04:12:33 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on March 26, 2013, 05:00:50 pm
Post by: NobodyPro on March 26, 2013, 06:35:51 pm
It's currently in the Hub's superhero block between Kaijudo and Superman: TAS; and it's certainly not a superhero cartoon. :PIt's a supervillian cartoon. :P
Post by: Neonivek on March 26, 2013, 09:52:51 pm
Ah yes, I've seen one episode of that and it seems a very good sadistic comedy.
Unfortunately I am reeling at the thought of this becoming popular after... hmm let me see how long it took me to dislike this: 25 seconds.
Ohh PLEASE get better show. I mean, it can't ALL be constant non-stop slapstick. (Ohh good that stops after the first minute)
Ok it gets better... My enjoyment of this show is a line with a possitive slope that intersects the X axis at 1 minute.
The line ends at around, the show is ok.
It's currently in the Hub's superhero block between Kaijudo and Superman: TAS; and it's certainly not a superhero cartoon. :PIt's a supervillian cartoon. :P
Admittingly the only other thing that approaches being a super villain cartoon I watched is "Making Fiends". There are a LOT of cartoons with characters who are villain-esk but who arn't actually outright villains.
Usually this is done by making the people they harass be bigger villains then they are.
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 29, 2013, 09:22:46 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on April 08, 2013, 08:43:12 pm
Still boggling at the ending.
Post by: Sirus on April 08, 2013, 08:43:43 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on April 08, 2013, 08:44:44 pm
Post by: Neonivek on April 08, 2013, 09:35:50 pm
Haven't fully decided yet. Lot to love about it, but there's also a lot that makes me sit back and go: "what?"
What REALLY surprised me is that Freddy is voiced the way he is on purpose. In another episode they voice him similar to his old cartoon version.
Post by: Xantalos on April 08, 2013, 09:42:53 pm
Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated finished airing not too long ago, and now I've seen the entire thing.I can agree.
Still boggling at the ending.
Wat.
Post by: Sirus on April 08, 2013, 09:50:26 pm
Post by: Neonivek on April 08, 2013, 10:08:41 pm
Started watching clips from the best Superman and Batman series. Now I really want to watch those again :/
Honestly I really wish I could get super hero shows up at the same quality.
Avengers was good but it just couldn't hit those same heights.
Don't get me wrong the COOLEST western fight scene will always be the first season finale of the new Heman... DANG! (Honestly it is almost worth watching it for just that) So it isn't like nothing new can come along.
It is just, I don't know... Whenever it gets close (The Batman for example) it ends. Heck the last season of Avengers was twice as good as the last.
Post by: Ultimuh on April 15, 2013, 08:31:21 am
Well.. It was ok.. I guess..
Post by: Putnam on April 15, 2013, 08:57:21 am
Post by: Jervill on April 15, 2013, 10:17:01 am
Anyways, I found an episode of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog on an old DVD...I really need to figure out what drugs the creators were on when they made it, it might actually begin to make sense.
Post by: kaijyuu on April 15, 2013, 12:33:48 pm
Anyways, I found an episode of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog on an old DVD...I really need to figure out what drugs the creators were on when they made it, it might actually begin to make sense.I love that series! Especially the bizarre architecture. Sure, the series as a whole is batshit crazy, but that's part of the charm.
Post by: i2amroy on April 16, 2013, 02:05:22 pm
Episodes 7 or 9 are usually where people say they really like it, and if you don't, that's fine.Indeed. As with most slice-of-life type shows, the more you watch it the better it gets because you understand the characters more and can laugh at how their personalities interact.
And I finally got around to watching a few episodes of Gravity Falls, and it is awesome. :D
Post by: Neonivek on April 16, 2013, 03:50:54 pm
Any brony would tell you that the first couple episodes are of lower quality than the rest.
Insane is more like it...
No not for any of the ordinary reasons (Their nation is called Horse Land?) but because the immediate instinct pony's seem to have when a introverted member flies over with terrible jet lag and does a lot of work and seems to want to be left alone and rest... is to throw a roaring party.
Let me just say... Ponys are TERRIBLE people.
Post by: Jervill on April 16, 2013, 04:09:29 pm
Post by: Zangi on April 16, 2013, 05:58:18 pm
Well... they are Ponies after-all... not people. As a race, on the personality charts, they have a higher average in stuff like Friendliness and Cheerfulness... Though, the Pink one in particular is quite... immoderate among their race.Any brony would tell you that the first couple episodes are of lower quality than the rest.
Insane is more like it...
No not for any of the ordinary reasons (Their nation is called Horse Land?) but because the immediate instinct pony's seem to have when a introverted member flies over with terrible jet lag and does a lot of work and seems to want to be left alone and rest... is to throw a roaring party.
Let me just say... Ponys are TERRIBLE people.
Post by: Neonivek on April 16, 2013, 10:23:44 pm
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not people
People doesn't mean human. Being entirely inconsiderate towards someone's feelings because of your own ego in big and elaborate ways is something they did CONSTANTLY in the first episode.
They are very malicious with their kindness.
Post by: Sergius on April 17, 2013, 03:16:27 pm
They're *slightly* updated with more modern moral standards, I guess, and it at least seems to focus more on the comical side instead of being so heavy handed. Still, any enjoyment I derived from (some episodes of) the show was despite the whole What I Learned Today shtick, not because of it.
Post by: Jervill on April 17, 2013, 04:30:58 pm
Dr. Robotnik is awesome in both cartoons, despite being completely different in each iteration. Of course, he's a lovable rrrrrapscallion no matter what he's in.
Post by: Neonivek on April 19, 2013, 09:25:04 pm
Heck I like this movie didn't make Po's special power that "He is fat GET IT! FAT!!! HA HA HA HA HA!!! Now he will automatically win the battle because blubber".
I also like how the prediction (A Warrior of Black and White will stand in his way) has a double meaning if you understand Yin and Yan. Heck I expected that to be explained but I guess since it is for children it would be too far above their heads to understand the idea of inner and outer mastery, of the fist and palm.
Post by: Euld on April 19, 2013, 11:30:12 pm
I watched an episode of Sonic SatAM, and while it was certainly enjoyable, Sonic was just irritating and made me want to choke him. It's also quite amusing thinking about the night and day difference between the dark SatAM and the insane Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, even though both aired at the same time.Duuuude thanks for mentioning Sonic SatAM, that was the best nostalgic trip ever.
Dr. Robotnik is awesome in both cartoons, despite being completely different in each iteration. Of course, he's a lovable rrrrrapscallion no matter what he's in.
Post by: ggamer on July 26, 2013, 03:11:05 pm
Post by: Sirus on July 26, 2013, 03:18:03 pm
Post by: ggamer on July 26, 2013, 04:00:17 pm
Post by: Levi on July 26, 2013, 04:01:19 pm
yeah, i'm about to start season 2 after I get done with a few things around the house.
Season 2 has started?!? :o I gotta pay better attention to these things.
Post by: Furtuka on July 26, 2013, 04:02:00 pm
Post by: ggamer on July 26, 2013, 04:07:32 pm
I guess I'll catch it on tv when it starts airing again. When does it start airing again anyway?
Post by: Putnam on July 26, 2013, 07:04:24 pm
Post by: Sirus on July 26, 2013, 07:07:25 pm
Spoiler: Legend of Korra Season 1 spoilers (click to show/hide)
Post by: ggamer on July 26, 2013, 08:04:27 pm
Post by: Furtuka on July 26, 2013, 08:08:57 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 26, 2013, 08:33:14 pm
From what I know about Season 2's plot, I think they'll be able to manage.
To admit there are a lot of villains who can work.
Heck I know it won't happen... but I kind of... want to see... a spirit as a villain.
Spirits REALLY are far removed from the show.
Post by: Furtuka on July 26, 2013, 08:36:44 pm
(http://avatarthelastairbenderonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/tumblr_m745f2jWcg1rb8q1fo1_5001.jpg)
^ The thing picutred here has not been confirmed to be the villain. But the villain is known to be called the Dark Spirit.
Post by: Sirus on July 26, 2013, 08:38:25 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on July 26, 2013, 11:20:37 pm
Post by: Furtuka on July 31, 2013, 03:46:32 pm
Also yay the knowledge owl is back.
Post by: Neonivek on July 31, 2013, 04:48:58 pm
How did it take me this long before learning a trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ftLm52V1y0)for Book 2 came out a couple weeks ago. Wow that looks beautiful.
Also yay the knowledge owl is back.
This might sound silly... but why?
Post by: Furtuka on July 31, 2013, 04:49:59 pm
Post by: Sirus on July 31, 2013, 04:51:46 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 31, 2013, 04:52:43 pm
What the owl? I liked him.
No no no no no. This isn't about like or hate. I liked the Owl...
But why is he back? Why?
Post by: Furtuka on July 31, 2013, 04:54:13 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 01, 2013, 02:43:21 am
While there were a lot of great ones... Just like the Golden Age of Hollywood, there were a lot of duds along the great shows.
It is the only time period where children cartoons can have totally awesome villains no matter who it was aimed for.
A Show about Ponies targeted towards little girls? Arch-Wizard with undead horse army.
Though I still say the 90s was the "best" with 80s being the second best... where 2000-2010 being a slow point.
Post by: RedKing on August 01, 2013, 07:49:43 am
Hell, that was the period of the rise of Cartoon Network from being a bunch of Hanna-Barbera reruns to producing their own shows.
I think if there's a doldrums for Western animation, it was the 1970's. WB had stopped doing Looney Tunes, Disney wasn't putting out a lot of animated material, opting instead for cornball live-action stuff like Herbie the Love Bug (although some of their films were still quite good, like The Aristocats and Winnie the Pooh). MGM was no longer doing Tom and Jerry, who showed up in the latter 70's on Hanna-Barbera as pals who went on adventures together. ???
In unrelated news, recently plowed through the first season of Adventure Time on Netflix. The experience was not unlike being on an extended acid trip.
Post by: Dutchling on August 01, 2013, 08:22:31 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 01, 2013, 02:02:10 pm
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Dexter's Laboratory, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Samurai Jack, Powerpuff Girls
I keep forgetting about that. But when did those cartoons end?
Because if they lasted the 10 years then I'd call the 2000 period the "Growing days of Comedic Cartoons"
Post by: Sergius on August 01, 2013, 02:52:34 pm
ADD: I thought Megas-XLR was pretty kickass, and I also like the Fairly Oddparents, tho I think I've watched every episode already.
Post by: Neonivek on August 01, 2013, 03:43:12 pm
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like Animaniacs, Freakazoid, DC comic stuffs, plus others like Gargoyles, etc count for the 2000's?
All 90s. The only great DC show to go through to the 2000s was the JLA which was great. (There is a reason why the 90s is refered to as the Golden Age of Cartoons. You will never get a denser ball of great shows)
But frankly I could pull any great show from any age (well almost)
Megas is 2000 era
Post by: Mr Space Cat on August 01, 2013, 07:56:53 pm
RWBY's got that whole anime-esque art style but technically I'd consider western animation, seeing how Roosterteeth's main building and a majority of the gang are located in Austin Texas, afaik.
Now back to the discussion on classic cartoons and stuff.
Post by: quinnr on August 01, 2013, 09:56:34 pm
New episode of RWBY on Roosterteeth's site (http://roosterteeth.com/home.php) for anyone who cares. It looks like they'll be releasing a new episode every Thursday.Yay! I was wondering what day of the week this thing was going to update on, I didn't notice before. Thanks!
RWBY's got that whole anime-esque art style but technically I'd consider western animation, seeing how Roosterteeth's main building and a majority of the gang are located in Austin Texas, afaik.
Now back to the discussion on classic cartoons and stuff.
EDIT: Duuude, I get that you miss your friends, but things will be better for all of us if you go back to being an awesome scythe-ninja.
Post by: Putnam on August 01, 2013, 09:58:33 pm
Quotelike Animaniacs, Freakazoid, DC comic stuffs, plus others like Gargoyles, etc count for the 2000's?
All 90s. The only great DC show to go through to the 2000s was the JLA which was great. (There is a reason why the 90s is refered to as the Golden Age of Cartoons. You will never get a denser ball of great shows)
But frankly I could pull any great show from any age (well almost)
Megas is 2000 era
The '90s was the Renaissance, I'm pretty sure; golden was way back when.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 02, 2013, 12:25:30 pm
Post by: Shook on August 02, 2013, 02:17:14 pm
Somewhat in the vein of Tom & Jerry, except the slapstick is turned up to a glorious extreme. It is, conveniently enough, also a 90's show, but supposedly it still runs to this day. I know i've praised Samurai Jack as being one of the best cartoons i've ever watched (which it still is), but Oggy and the Cockroaches is definitely up there as well. Plus, it contains a multitude of silly faces, which is always nice.
Post by: Neonivek on August 02, 2013, 03:22:56 pm
Every era was the best era to someone.
I am fully aware of that... but there are ways to objectively look at it.
For example while there was a Golden Age of Hollywood where many of the greatest movies of all time existed. It doesn't mean that there weren't other times with great movies. As well while the Golden Age of Hollywood had many of the greatest movies it also had the single largest convalescence of terrible movies (and a LOT of them really don't hold up).
It is why I groan every time someone says that.
Since yeah sure, but no. My favorite time period for movies isn't the Golden Age of Hollywood, but even I can see why it is such.
Post by: Bouchart on August 02, 2013, 07:31:38 pm
That is all.
Post by: Neonivek on August 02, 2013, 07:47:21 pm
I like the old Wile E. Coyote shorts.
That is all.
Unfortunately for me I am very unresponsive to slap stick... I have no idea why but I guess it is because I grew up with bugs bunny so much that it just seems ordinary to me.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 09, 2013, 04:22:24 pm
The fiancee and I were very amused at
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Also Stan is best character.
Post by: Zangi on August 12, 2013, 09:16:02 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 12, 2013, 02:22:20 pm
Huh... I should remember to finish watching Gravity Falls... How far along is it anyways?
All the floating arcs had a second run.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 12, 2013, 07:46:06 pm
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Post by: Furtuka on September 13, 2013, 06:03:57 pm
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Post by: Remalle on September 13, 2013, 06:56:55 pm
Korra book 2 is starting right nowWHY DID NOBODY TELL ME
Post by: Sirus on September 13, 2013, 06:59:19 pm
Post by: Furtuka on September 13, 2013, 07:03:02 pm
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Post by: Mageziya on October 13, 2013, 11:59:38 am
I've started watching Gravity Falls again. Ironic, since I think I was the one who brought it to this thread. I don't know why, but I stopped watching at the Halloween episode, and never picked up again, until now.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 13, 2013, 02:14:31 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 13, 2013, 02:21:04 pm
The action is pretty bad, the investigation is bad, I HATE how everyone looks (Dear goodness Batman, why is your suit made of latex? And why are your lips so pouty?), and the very first villain they introduce is one of those lame villains that should be one offs.
Heck one scene had the worst "Enhance"... err second word... Scene I ever seen.
I am not ruling it out though. The Batman started off as a straight up action show where even the Joker was more concerned with beating batman up. Yet when it finally got going (A LOT later) it managed to be pretty good and has a excellent movie where he faces off against Dracula.
It COULD get better but I am not holding out.
Post by: Jopax on October 13, 2013, 03:33:11 pm
Still can't get over Young Justice having only two seasons tho, easily the best of DC.
Post by: Bauglir on October 13, 2013, 04:35:47 pm
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Post by: Neonivek on November 18, 2013, 02:37:21 am
Sure, it isn't amazing, but so far I have been solidly entertained.
Post by: NobodyPro on November 18, 2013, 04:44:21 am
I saw a few episodes of Annoying Orange (never seen it as a web series) and... I don't know if I should be embarrassed or not... but I actually like it quite a bit.It is, irritatingly, okay. There's worse shows on in the afternoon.
Sure, it isn't amazing, but so far I have been solidly entertained.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 18, 2013, 10:19:23 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2013, 10:28:54 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 18, 2013, 12:21:03 pm
I saw a few episodes of Annoying Orange (never seen it as a web series) and... I don't know if I should be embarrassed or not... but I actually like it quite a bit.It is, irritatingly, okay. There's worse shows on in the afternoon.
Sure, it isn't amazing, but so far I have been solidly entertained.
Oddly enough, I have yet to dislike an episode.
I am honestly hoping it is legitimately good... since unlike "Life with Bonnie" where I loved it but I knew it was terrible... I can't tell if this is bad.
This might end up being one of those unironic shows I like that no one else does.
Post by: Bauglir on November 18, 2013, 12:41:08 pm
Spoiler: Korra (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on November 19, 2013, 02:44:02 am
Isn't Jake's title the "Forest Prince"?
Things get confusing with titles... I think Marceline is the Vampire Queen as well.
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Also read LSP's book... It is actually pretty funny (and terrible)
Post by: MrWiggles on November 19, 2013, 09:36:29 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 19, 2013, 09:52:56 pm
So Princess Bubblegum true age is 827.
That REALLY constrains the timeline. To the extent where the Candy people only existed in 3 generations (Princess Cotton Candy, Princess Bubblegum, and The Candy People)
Or possibly 4 assuming Cotton candy princess is her grandmother... but that would only mess up the timeline more.
Post by: WillowLuman on November 30, 2013, 05:45:46 am
This is not to be taken either way, but I just want to say that's the polar opposite opinion to every other review I've seen so far for this season. Just kind of funny, is all.Spoiler: Korra (click to show/hide)
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Also, OhGodIvePostedAndNowItsInMyWatchlist
Post by: Bauglir on November 30, 2013, 11:21:17 am
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Post by: Sergius on March 25, 2014, 11:18:38 am
Well, last week I had a sort of Marathon viewing of Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness, all 2 and half seasons, and overall I liked it. There are obvious things that make it not as cool as the movies (animation has to be cheaper and faster, so they reuse a lot of sets, overuse the boring bamboo forests and generally just place a building in the middle of a giant flat blurry dirt floor, heh. Also bye bye fur. At least some sets are nice and detailed like the village).
What irks me the most tho, is how each character has been reduced to one or two traits (Tigress grunts and is mean, Po is a slacker, annoying and cause of much property damage, basically Pauly Shore) and in fact waay off from their personality in the movies. Understandable that they need a bigger source of silly slapstick for children, considering it's a kid show where status quo is king and all that. But still... they could have focused on how they actually were instead of reducing them to TV comedy archetypes.
I still think it's pretty cool but I'm seriously thinking about most of it as Discontinuity...
Post by: kaijyuu on March 25, 2014, 11:58:09 am
Post by: Sergius on March 25, 2014, 12:08:46 pm
I had a blast overall with all the funny new villains and their hamminess, but now I think I'm going to go rewatch the movies to cleanse myself from the stupid.
Post by: WillowLuman on June 11, 2014, 11:20:08 am
The Korra Book 3 trailer is here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHvPWPxtr14)
Post by: RedKing on June 11, 2014, 12:02:17 pm
Why couldn't the writers of this have written the damn prequel movies? Soooooo much better.
Then, this past weekend my daughter and I watched Episode III. Two things I noticed:
1. Watching The Clone Wars actually made the movie better, because it filled in a lot of backstory that made certain characters' reactions seem far less arbitrary. Hayden Christensen still can't act his way out of a wet paper bag though.
2. This was like something out of Game of Thrones, because suddenly all those various throwaway Jedi characters getting massacred had names and voices and personalities and backstories.
Post by: Remalle on June 11, 2014, 01:56:46 pm
Post by: RedKing on June 11, 2014, 02:05:57 pm
It actually dealt with the politics of the Republic and showed WHY reasonable people would actually want to replace the Republic with something more effective. Also dealt with the grey morality of breeding millions of clones to be essentially property of the Republic and cannon fodder.
Post by: Neonivek on June 11, 2014, 02:47:01 pm
Part of me wanted them to change things up or even to declare the show an alternate timeline.
Prequels work in my opinion when they are about something that the original doesn't touch upon or when it is supposed to be an in depth character analysis.
That and it REALLY REALLY needed to focus on other villains after a while. It gets really tiring seeing "Count Duku Capture #28" and knowing he isn't going to stay captured or that he must win a fight because otherwise he would die.
But honestly... episode to episode the show is fine and often great.
Post by: RedKing on June 11, 2014, 03:26:42 pm
But overall I've been quite impressed. And I like that the focus isn't always on Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Post by: Neonivek on June 11, 2014, 03:36:24 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on June 23, 2014, 01:30:44 pm
Post by: Remalle on June 23, 2014, 02:11:46 pm
New Korra to air this Friday.Sweet, that gives me plenty of time to prepare for the disappointment.
Post by: WillowLuman on June 23, 2014, 02:27:54 pm
Post by: Zangi on June 23, 2014, 05:06:05 pm
New Korra to air this Friday.Watching that so hard. If I remember to. Despite disappointment of last season. Ready for more of it, will be pleasantly surprised if not.
Post by: Azinesmul Geshud on June 23, 2014, 09:05:54 pm
I remember my mother used to watch Beavis and Butthead with me occasionally. I was too young to get most of it :P
Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2014, 09:09:56 pm
I mean I know that mud bending was water and earth... but still
Post by: Mageziya on June 23, 2014, 10:36:13 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 23, 2014, 10:43:01 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2014, 10:45:31 pm
Wasn't it said somewhere by a creator during A:TLA that lava bending was Earth + Fire bending?
I swear if a Fire Bender discovers that he essentially has air bending (because... he does) I am going to start to seriously question the logic of the show.
Post by: WillowLuman on June 23, 2014, 10:55:29 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2014, 10:58:05 pm
Since frankly the series' implication was that bending wasn't an innate force but rather something that was learned and passed on.
Post by: WillowLuman on June 23, 2014, 11:12:38 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 23, 2014, 11:17:47 pm
Post by: Sirus on June 23, 2014, 11:51:00 pm
All I know is, the trailer shows lava being bent, but it doesn't show by who. Could be the Avatar, could be a firebender and and earthbender working in tandem. It does show Korra metalbending, what looks like Dai Li agents, a lady with an eye tattoo on her forehead doing the combustion man thing to cars chasing behind her, 1 second of Zuko, some spirits, the Earth Queen, and what looks like a Fire Nation city designed like the Sydney Opera House. Among other interesting things.I really must catch up on Korra so I can watch this happening o_o
I mean, I go back and re-watch The Beach, The Runaway, and The Western Air Temple just to see Combustion Man do his thing.
Post by: Remalle on June 25, 2014, 01:59:48 am
Post by: Putnam on June 25, 2014, 06:36:14 pm
I just finished rewatching the old Star Wars Clone Wars series. There are a pair of videos on YouTube that compile both seasons into an hour-long mini-movie each, they're really good. Remind me a lot of Samurai Jack, in fact. Only problem: if Clone Wars covers the entire span of time from Episode II to Episode III, where the hell does the new series fit in?
That series is non-canon, like literally everything else that isn't the movies and the new series.
Friggin lucasfilm ruining everyone's fun. Canon doesn't exist for nothin but religion >_<
Post by: Neonivek on July 15, 2014, 02:38:35 am
and I must say... WOW do I not understand people's dislike of the extra woman of the love triangle.
Unless she gets REALLY bland later on (or loses her personality)... so far she seems more relatable and compatible to the love interest then Korra is. If anything it feels like the relationship between him and Korra is forced.
Whelp... Now time to watch more and see exactly how bad it gets... because I assume that people who watch Legend of Korra are rational human beings and aren't just picking on this woman because "she sits between Korra and her One True Love". Also no that isn't sarcasm... I've never heard anyone say "Well it isn't like Korra really is all that likable for him". (Sadly I already know who I'd want Korra to get with... but I know it isn't going to happen because he is the Sokka replacement)
Also I love the Police Constable. I know it is silly but I always loved characters who never give into the hype, especially when it is so irrational. Like Professor Snape... I know the movies REALLY REALLY tones down Harry Potter's celebritism and thus Snape comes off as being an arse for no reason, but the books hammer it in every other scene. I just like that she isn't all "Ohhh your the Avatar WOW! Well now I am going to take your opinion over all others out of no merit of your own!" instead she is all "Well sorry, I am going to treat you like everyone else and so far you have done nothing but cause trouble and be a snot... so that is how I am going to treat you"
Also sorry it will take me a while to memorize names.
Edit: Ok I see it now... Not Isumi being "so bland why the heck does he go out with her" but in terms of DEAR GOODNESS do they concentrate on this trite love triangle. Cause... I REALLY don't care who gets together with who. There is no weight in their relationships so why is this such a big plot point?
Edit 2: Ohh now I understand the parody I've seen years earlier. It wasn't because "Korra is so great and Isumi is so nothing" it is because dear goodness does the guy NEVER EVER compliment Isumi or talk about how he likes her. Korra has somehow become a Mary Sue like character >_<
Post by: WillowLuman on July 15, 2014, 02:55:46 am
Speaking of Korra, third season is still going strong, and we're 5 episodes in. Already surpassed the second, which started to falter by that point plus...
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Post by: Neonivek on July 15, 2014, 03:09:18 am
I think the reason for this was because they honestly thought season 1 could have been their last season. So they probably hammered in, what was supposed to be over 4 seasons, into 1.
So the whole "we hate Asami" thing is pretty much isolated to the "one true pair" thing?
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Also time is VERY difficult to get a grasp of in this show. In some scenes it is winter, in others it is fall, and in others still it is spring or summer... and yet the implication is all of these events have been occurring relatively close to each other.
Is Capital City have daily changing seasons or something?
My only explanation is that the show is taking place in early fall. Not enough for leaves to fall off trees, but enough that it snows at night and is warm during the day.
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Ohhh my gawd... I'd TOTALLY would watch a whole episode of Nuktuk the hero of the south. I just love the camp factor.
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Finished Season 2 and... I liked it.
It took a while to get going... but honestly I thought it was pretty good.
To admit I thought the complexity could have been handled better... a lot better (honestly part of me feels like this season was a third of the depth it could have had... The Spirits were handled, to admit badly to some extent.)
Post by: Duuvian on July 17, 2014, 04:48:15 am
Post by: Neonivek on July 17, 2014, 12:34:25 pm
Believe me, there are people who hate Asami for being in the way of their "One True Pair." And again, it's exactly as bad as in Harry Potter fandom. The whole triangle is somewhat poorly executed later on, though.
Speaking of Korra, third season is still going strong, and we're 5 episodes in. Already surpassed the second, which started to falter by that point plus...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Actually the one part I liked about it is
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As for Star King... dunno I'll check
Post by: Duuvian on July 18, 2014, 05:55:53 am
I have King Star King to autorecord but other people turn the TV receiver off at night so I can't seem to capture it.
Post by: Furtuka on July 25, 2014, 12:45:33 am
^you guys probably want to know this if you don't
Post by: Neonivek on July 25, 2014, 01:00:02 am
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/07/24/legend-of-korra-not-canceled-online/
^you guys probably want to know this if you don't
That is REALLY confusing.
Why are they putting it online... and then making a season 4? Is this essentially a TV haitus and they will put it back once season 4 is ready?
Especially since Season 3 is pretty strong... well so far... I can't say I've never seen a season of a TV show turn to garbage last second.
Post by: Glowcat on July 25, 2014, 01:22:53 am
Post by: Neonivek on July 25, 2014, 01:24:13 am
Their ratings tanked to the lowest so far and Nickelodeon seems to think it's not worth the air time anymore. And Season 4 is already done supposedly, so it's a matter of releasing existing content.
Shame, though honestly I shouldn't be surprised.
It isn't that Legend of Korra was a bad show, far from it, it is that it seemed to do everything that would make a show really unpopular as well as sort of messing with the overall adventure feeling of the show for a very modern feel. For example it has a super strong focus on continuity, it deals with older individuals and adults, and it deals with a LOT of romance subplots.
I am still REALLY glad I get season 3 and 4.
If only Young Justice got its proper ending... or Spectacular Spiderman... or a bunch of other shows.
Post by: WillowLuman on July 25, 2014, 01:28:36 am
Post by: Neonivek on July 25, 2014, 01:29:39 am
Maybe the ratings have something to do with the fact that they keep changing the timeslot, didn't announce which timeslot it would be in until a week before the season aired, and keep sandwiching it between reruns of Full House? It's like they're trying to kill it...
They took it off the air on both my local stations pretty much IMMEDIATELY after season 1 ended. As well they don't even show Korra on Netflicks, not even the earlier seasons.
Even Adventure time lasted longer (but BOY does my station hate getting the latest episodes...) and is in fact still going.
So... no I will say that isn't the only issue.
Mind you the two stations I watch for cartoons... are kind of in the pits right now. I miss the old anime segments... they actually aired Deathnote.
Post by: Sirus on July 25, 2014, 01:38:59 am
Maybe the ratings have something to do with the fact that they keep changing the timeslot, didn't announce which timeslot it would be in until a week before the season aired, and keep sandwiching it between reruns of Full House? It's like they're trying to kill it...So...basically they're giving it the Firefly treatment?
Post by: Neonivek on July 25, 2014, 02:02:01 am
In all fairness though Korra might have been failing before that.
Post by: Karlito on July 25, 2014, 09:08:05 am
Post by: WillowLuman on July 25, 2014, 11:24:40 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 25, 2014, 11:33:16 am
Nah, Fox cut Firefly because it wasn't making enough money/ decent enough ratings.Maybe the ratings have something to do with the fact that they keep changing the timeslot, didn't announce which timeslot it would be in until a week before the season aired, and keep sandwiching it between reruns of Full House? It's like they're trying to kill it...So...basically they're giving it the Firefly treatment?
Here they seem to insist on paying for the series, but do everything they can to make it fail.
Post by: WillowLuman on July 25, 2014, 11:36:44 am
Post by: Neonivek on July 25, 2014, 05:33:21 pm
From the very beginning, they've shot Korra in the foot. Coming off the massive success, both critically and financially of A:TLA, they only reluctantly greenlit Korra, and only as a miniseries. Then they asked for another season. Then they finally gave them 2 more.
Which of course created a problem because Season 1 was meant to stand on its own... so the series has had a problem having an overarching plot (in fact... it has none. If anything it is about "finding balance", but it has yet to complete one of these plotlines)
Making Season 1 feels almost like an introduction in the grand scheme of things.
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What Adventure time is getting ANOTHER Season?
I like adventure time and everything, I like it a lot, but I honestly am starting to feel like the series really should start wrapping up the plotlines... and I do think 7 seasons is enough... MAYBE 8...
I just am worried this will become an endless series. Which I guess it can, but I'd still find it odd if they didn't finish all those loose ends by season 8... but I am hoping it will be done in season 7.
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 31, 2014, 08:33:43 am
I'm still very much enjoying the show though, and would be happy with a few more seasons before it ends.
Post by: Neonivek on July 31, 2014, 09:45:20 am
Post by: Mech#4 on July 31, 2014, 10:33:28 am
Or the show will continue as long as people are watching it. Either one, possibly a few other reasons as well.
Post by: uber pye on July 31, 2014, 02:22:28 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 31, 2014, 04:10:56 pm
I thought cartoon network had a 7 season cap for how long a show could go on for
That would be very arbitrary. I can't see any network doing that - why would they not renew a show for an eighth season if they're going to make money off it?
Post by: Zangi on July 31, 2014, 05:18:50 pm
I thought cartoon network had a 7 season cap for how long a show could go on forHow many seasons is DBZ? Over 10?
Or does that cap only apply to stuff out of toonami? Or did they cut DBZ off after the 7th?
Post by: Neonivek on July 31, 2014, 08:10:06 pm
Cartoon network probably has 7 season caps as a "at 7 seasons if the reception is lukewarm we should end it"
For something like Adventure time where it might still be going strong... they might extent it further.
Post by: Duuvian on August 02, 2014, 12:14:27 am
I liked it. It was funny. I could watch a season of it. It reminds me of Superjail except instead of excessive violence it's excessive sexual gestures and space drug use.
The waffle guy was my favorite. He doesn't even want to be there so he can run his restaurant like a normal guy, and he ends up catching an STD from Alfonso Molestro.
EDIT:
Ahahaha there was another one on just now. It was even better than the last one.
Post by: Neonivek on August 02, 2014, 09:14:19 am
Dang it! Now I wish they made another season of Dave the Barbarian.
Post by: Duuvian on August 03, 2014, 11:50:11 pm
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I don't see any .gifs on that site of one of the scenes where he smokes the space drugs and drinks space booze and then strikes a heroic pose but the pose is pretty great.
I think you can watch full episodes here http://www.adultswim.com/king-star-king/
but I can't get it to work through my browser add-ons.
Post by: Neonivek on August 03, 2014, 11:55:13 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on August 03, 2014, 11:56:44 pm
I found out that the Adventures of Gumball, apparently, was originally going to be an Adult Swim show.Somehow I can picture this.
Post by: Mesa on August 04, 2014, 06:19:07 am
(and surprisingly little was lost in the Polish translation...)
Post by: Neonivek on August 04, 2014, 06:30:52 am
Though truthfully that show became harder and harder to watch because Muriel was such a kind hearted and lovable character and Eustace was just so mean to even her... that is just kind of broke my heart little by little. The sadder thing is that Muriel really loves him...
Post by: Mesa on August 04, 2014, 06:43:11 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 04, 2014, 07:42:37 am
It is that her child self doesn't act like Muriel does.
Post by: Mageziya on August 04, 2014, 09:51:03 am
I found out that the Adventures of Gumball, apparently, was originally going to be an Adult Swim show.A LOT of shows on Cartoon Network, past and present, were meant to be on adult swim but ended up as kids' shows.
Unfortunately, I can't quite remember which shows were. I know Regular Show was going to be one.
Historically, the Powerpuff girls was originally going to be an adult show called the Whoopass Girls.
And that's all I can remember off the top of my head.
Post by: Mageziya on August 06, 2014, 09:56:29 am
And it's still good.
Okay, it's been here for a few days, but I only just noticed yesterday.
Post by: Neonivek on August 06, 2014, 05:23:44 pm
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I know Regular Show was going to be one
Regular show is somewhat obvious... Since right now it feels like an adult show for kids.
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Hate to double post, but Gravity Falls season 2 is here.
And it's still good
I love its season opener. I mean, it is good enough to be a season finale.
Post by: Mesa on August 07, 2014, 10:00:27 pm
It could use an actually decent video game adaption though.
Post by: Mageziya on August 08, 2014, 12:41:25 am
QuoteHate to double post, but Gravity Falls season 2 is here.
And it's still good
I love its season opener. I mean, it is good enough to be a season finale.
Have you seen the second episode? It's also really good. Good development with the characters and the overall story. Also, once again, I question how this is considered a show for kids.
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Post by: Neonivek on August 08, 2014, 12:52:11 am
Post by: Karlito on August 08, 2014, 08:54:31 am
Post by: Mageziya on August 08, 2014, 09:35:47 am
Stan gives a HUGE hint for that if you pay attention.
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Stan gives a HUGE hint for that if you pay attention.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Reelya on August 08, 2014, 07:59:45 pm
I thought cartoon network had a 7 season cap for how long a show could go on for
That would be very arbitrary. I can't see any network doing that - why would they not renew a show for an eighth season if they're going to make money off it?
I read something a while back about how TV contracts work, apparently the terms are very favorable to the networks in the short term, usually the first 4-5 years of the show, with the carrot being that the studios are promised a much bigger share of the profits if shows go longer. After that, the studios start to make real money. The networks really control the whole deal so they push these contracts that favor themselves in the short term, since they have the power to cancel the show at any time. Often it makes more financial sense (for the network, not the viewers or studios) to cancel a show near the end of this initial contract period even if it's still getting good ratings, because they can renegotiate a new contract with the same or another studio to pick up a new show for cheap.
So, it's a gamble between the networks and studios, you want your show to be so popular that they can't cancel it. "Just a little" popular doesn't cut it because they've got other studios desperate for the work with slightly shittier new shows they can replace your one with and cut costs.
Post by: Mageziya on August 08, 2014, 08:01:38 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 08, 2014, 08:34:12 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on August 10, 2014, 12:56:51 am
Post by: Furtuka on August 10, 2014, 12:57:43 am
Post by: Glowcat on August 10, 2014, 01:01:22 am
WHAT HAPPENED? TELL ME IM NOT ATCHING THE SHOW
It was pretty dark. And no you don't get to find out unless you watch :I
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Post by: Furtuka on August 10, 2014, 01:03:04 am
IN WHAT MANNER I SAY. IN WHAT MANNER
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Post by: Neonivek on August 10, 2014, 01:21:39 am
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Post by: WillowLuman on August 10, 2014, 01:27:12 am
While I like the current villains of Korra... I just groan at their motivations.Clearly, he was avenging Bosco.
Seriously that was some cold-blooded horiffic shit and they showed it on screen in a Y7 show how awesome is that.
Some interesting trivia about why The Last Airbender turned out so terribly. (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-Last-Airbender-Was-Terrible-It-Maybe-Wasn-t-Night-Fault-66676.html)I wholly believe executive meddling played a large role, but I'd still blame Shyamalan for a lot of other things about it, given his track record (before and since).
Post by: Zangi on August 10, 2014, 01:35:28 am
Probably part of the reason why it is going on the internets only?While I like the current villains of Korra... I just groan at their motivations.Clearly, he was avenging Bosco.
Seriously that was some cold-blooded horiffic shit and they showed it on screen in a Y7 show how awesome is that.
Post by: Neonivek on August 10, 2014, 01:58:00 am
The acting was wrong, the actors was wrong, the script was wrong, the CGI was wrong, the Choreography was wrong, the direction was wrong...
Don't get me wrong I am not one of those people who was like "Kitara is white NOO!!!", I was fully willing to accept it as it is hard to find good child actors especially when you are limited to one race (or look alikes). Heck I was willing to forgive a lot with the movie because I know that the show couldn't possibly be condensed into a movie format without losing something, it had to focus. Yet UGH!
Oddly enough I thought the movie was going to take its own path separate from the show, since that was what the trailer depicted... but instead it followed the show both too much and too little.
Networks couldn't have messed over the movie on their own.
Post by: Zangi on August 12, 2014, 01:49:18 pm
Networks couldn't have messed over the movie on their own.Its a team effort. The first makes a move, resulting in the second following up on limited number of possible moves for a combo bonus. Sometimes, they work together so well, that they get a high combo bonus, before one or the other drops the ball, messing up the bonus. This gets repeated enough times to get the result we have today.
Post by: Evilsx on August 12, 2014, 11:34:52 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 12, 2014, 11:37:50 pm
Just finish my watching of 'One piece' and right now I want to find out why so many people love 'Adventure Time' so much so could anyone tell me where I could start from because I have try starting from season one and I have no clue what is happening.
The show is almost entirely show and not tell. You are meant to sort of piece things together without it being outright expressed (with exception) so being lost is entirely normal.
I will tell you that I didn't like Adventure time until about the end of the 3rd season.
Post by: WillowLuman on August 12, 2014, 11:43:48 pm
Recently finished watching Archer. Some really good running jokes in there, hope they do a 6th season.
Post by: Neonivek on August 13, 2014, 12:01:29 am
Trust me, just keep watching and look in the background.
Recently finished watching Archer. Some really good running jokes in there, hope they do a 6th season.
Honestly I felt like the 5th season, though I never finished it, was meant to be a sort of march to the ending.
A 6th would outright HAVE to be the last one.
Post by: Evilsx on August 13, 2014, 12:10:49 am
Ok, I will try this once more, might do an log once I done an season and to see if anything changedJust finish my watching of 'One piece' and right now I want to find out why so many people love 'Adventure Time' so much so could anyone tell me where I could start from because I have try starting from season one and I have no clue what is happening.
The show is almost entirely show and not tell. You are meant to sort of piece things together without it being outright expressed (with exception) so being lost is entirely normal.
I will tell you that I didn't like Adventure time until about the end of the 3rd season.
Edit: Planning on do an log on the pilot episode right now
Post by: Mageziya on August 14, 2014, 10:37:46 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 15, 2014, 08:24:23 am
Well far in some respects and not others.
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Also while I liked the 2nd episode of Gravity Falls it just felt weird as someone who went through the first season.
Its like having that one character who manages to avoid everything supernatural... and next season they are like "Sure I'll go ghost hunting with you". The last episode she was in where she was dealing with the supernatural and was aware of it, she was completely befuddled and helpless.
Third episode also had a "Its strange for anyone who watched the first season" but that is probably because it felt like a quick resolution...
I am starting to think they are just hastily running through plot points.
Mind you... Both Dekota and Dipper's Not Girlfriend were pretty stale storylines at this point but still..
Though maybe with Dekota out of the way maybe Mable will actually become a true co-star instead of it pretty much being Dipper as the main character and Mable getting the side stories and pretty much being the sidekick.
Post by: Mageziya on August 15, 2014, 10:48:20 am
That, or they just don't like dragging out character problems through multiple seasons.
Post by: Neonivek on August 15, 2014, 12:00:09 pm
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Also dang it Legend of Korra season 3... Your episodes so far have been consistently really good.
Also, Boomi aren't you supposed to be a legendary war general? You REALLY don't show it, even when you get the opportunity to.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 15, 2014, 01:50:08 pm
Also, good general =/= good fighter. Maybe he's a logistical genius?
Post by: Neonivek on August 15, 2014, 01:57:02 pm
Though WOW does he not show it outside exactly 1 episode.
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OHH GAWD!!!
I just realized something about the Amazing World of Gumball!
3 of the 4 movies referenced in the show... ARE REAL!!! the only fake one is Pony Tail.
Yes Alligators on a Train and the weird Panda versus rat ones are real.
Post by: Glowcat on August 22, 2014, 06:52:53 pm
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Post by: Neonivek on August 24, 2014, 03:30:50 am
Saw the finale at last. It was really good but I'm not sure of some things.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 24, 2014, 09:50:38 am
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Post by: tuypo1 on August 24, 2014, 09:57:32 am
you know when there not forcing aesops down your throat the winx writers are darn good storytellersi noticed they could make them anymore underdressed but instead of slowly going in the other direction they went all the way to fully clothed in 1 season
Post by: Neonivek on August 24, 2014, 10:08:32 am
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My personal opinion since they don't state it...
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Production on books three and four (collectively, Season 2) began at the same time, so we might see a bit more continuity between them.
Post by: WillowLuman on September 15, 2014, 01:29:30 pm
Post by: Zangi on September 15, 2014, 03:20:38 pm
As for Korra, the pacing has been crap and the baddies just plain dumb. Especially the last season's group.
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Also yeah Season 3 started off with such promise but it just became stupid near the end and onward. Genuine threatening villain with interesting traits and gimmicks...
But ultimately they became cartoon villains.
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 15, 2014, 03:50:12 pm
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Post by: Neonivek on September 15, 2014, 05:34:39 pm
A bit disappointed with the finale as well, but I still really liked this season. I think it ended with a lot of good potential for the final book. And I would disagree on the pacing (unless you're talking about the airing schedule.)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Except you know...
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Post by: Mageziya on September 20, 2014, 07:39:17 pm
Watched the fourth episode of Gravity Falls season 2.
I'll just say this: I wasn't expecting him to return so soon.
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Post by: Neonivek on September 25, 2014, 12:58:32 am
With Sock Opera and Scary-Oke being my favorites both being hilarious AND actually advancing the story a little. If "Into my Bunker" didn't have weird sudden character development from outer space it would be one of my favorites too (to admit Scary-Oke also had weird sudden character development... but it ended too perfectly to bring me down)
Steven Universe is progressing well, sure I didn't like "Steven and the Stevens"... but the show is pretty good.
Honestly check Steven Universe out, it is surprisingly not terrible... Which I thought it would be first going through. It sort of has the adventure time-esk "If you pay close enough attention, you will know a lot more then they tell you". Though quite a bit more obvious. I won't lie there are early episodes you will dislike (I really disliked Frybo)
I am unfortunately a fan of "The Amazing World of Gumball" which I am embarrassed to admit... I also miss the character's original voice actors, even going through puberty they still had a lot of style and personality that I feel the new ones just don't match exactly (Not enough Sar in your Sarcasm!).
Adventure Time continues its odd trend of practically running through its plot points at light speed...
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I actually am starting to like the 11 minute episode format if ONLY because it almost consistently doesn't waste time like a lot of shows do with the full 23 minutes.
Mind you I guess I would prefer each episode actually be two 11 minute episodes... so that there could be more consistent 2 parters.
Post by: WillowLuman on September 25, 2014, 01:03:07 am
Post by: Neonivek on September 25, 2014, 01:04:55 am
Gumball... yeah it might be dumb, but you can't fault it for creative animation.
Favorite episodes are probably: "The Helmet" and especially "The Plan" (assuming The Plan is the one with Daniel Lenard)
Episodes I dislike the most probably: "The Allergy" (It is probably the biggest "Been there done that" episode... it feels like other episodes cobbled together... but not in a fun way) and "The Date" (Which is just joyless)
Post by: WillowLuman on September 26, 2014, 07:18:56 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on October 01, 2014, 11:10:56 am
Also, that Family Guy/Simpsons thing was better than I expected.
Post by: Parsely on October 01, 2014, 11:27:20 am
Consider that my PTW.
Post by: WillowLuman on October 01, 2014, 11:42:19 am
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Post by: cerapa on October 31, 2014, 10:10:02 am
And Kuvira is literally Darth Vader.
Post by: TamerVirus on October 31, 2014, 12:04:57 pm
Part 1 can be seen here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1IUX0Qy-IDM)
The other two parts can be found via application of Google
Post by: WillowLuman on October 31, 2014, 12:27:43 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 31, 2014, 01:16:00 pm
...That was... something else. Will probably require rewatching for more insight.
Did you see part 2: I am so proud of you
And part 3: It's such a beautiful day?
Post by: WillowLuman on October 31, 2014, 02:54:24 pm
And holy shit, that Korra episode. I thought shit was real before...
Post by: WillowLuman on October 31, 2014, 04:01:06 pm
EDIT: NVM, it was kiboshed.
Post by: WillowLuman on November 07, 2014, 04:58:40 pm
S4 is really shaping up. Varrick, you magnificent bastard.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 07, 2014, 05:06:45 pm
Post by: Levi on November 07, 2014, 05:10:33 pm
Triple post. Geez, is it really this dead?
S4 is really shaping up. Varrick, you magnificent bastard.
Agreed. This season has been fantastic so far.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 07, 2014, 05:21:31 pm
Over the Garden Wall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_the_Garden_Wall_(TV_series)) is a new Cartoon Network mini series. The main character is voiced by Elijah Wood, and it's very well made. It's airing every weekday this week and next week, but it's all available on the internet already for some reason. I recommend it!
Also Bee and Puppycat premiered yesterday with the first two non-pilot episodes. There was a bit of an art style change, but it's still great.
Post by: WillowLuman on November 21, 2014, 01:43:53 pm
Post by: Bauglir on November 21, 2014, 01:46:14 pm
Did... did Varrick just make an Abridged Series of the show?Words cannot describe how much you've got me looking forward to seeing this now.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 21, 2014, 02:02:00 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on November 21, 2014, 04:39:27 pm
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Post by: cerapa on November 21, 2014, 05:14:23 pm
Then Varrick started telling the story.
And then this was a good episode.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 21, 2014, 05:31:52 pm
Post by: Bauglir on November 21, 2014, 08:17:13 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 21, 2014, 08:49:21 pm
Yet I liked this one.
I love how he insults one of the villains of the series for being boring. Though to admit I LOVE his Nuktuk version of himself.
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*watches how to train your dragon 2*
OF COURSE the TV show of How to train your dragon which is STATED by the creators to be in canon...
Is completely contradicted by the movie.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!
Post by: WillowLuman on November 25, 2014, 09:48:36 pm
Also, they've moved Korra back to TV for the last half of the season vOv
Post by: Neonivek on November 26, 2014, 02:25:31 am
Wait, there was a show? Is it any good?
Also, they've moved Korra back to TV for the last half of the season vOv
The TV show has its moments. It has a few episodes that can kind of make you see what could have been a better show. Yet otherwise the show is often kind of boring.
Also Dang it Nick... decide... Are you going to give Legend of Korra a fair chance or are you going to screw it over?
To be fair... It didn't do very well on my local networks and frankly... that made sense to me. I remembered being bored the first few episodes as the show kind of lacked the "magic" element. So part of me always kind of wondered if Nick really screwed it over, or they are dealing with a sizable adult fanbase but low child fanbase.
Post by: Bauglir on November 26, 2014, 02:42:04 pm
Also, they've moved Korra back to TV for the last half of the season vOvWait, what. No. No! I don't have cable television!
Unless you mean "in parallel to online", in which case carry on.
Post by: Furtuka on November 26, 2014, 02:54:10 pm
Wait, there was a show? Is it any good?
Also, they've moved Korra back to TV for the last half of the season vOv
The TV show has its moments. It has a few episodes that can kind of make you see what could have been a better show. Yet otherwise the show is often kind of boring.
Also Dang it Nick... decide... Are you going to give Legend of Korra a fair chance or are you going to screw it over?
To be fair... It didn't do very well on my local networks and frankly... that made sense to me. I remembered being bored the first few episodes as the show kind of lacked the "magic" element. So part of me always kind of wondered if Nick really screwed it over, or they are dealing with a sizable adult fanbase but low child fanbase.
It's either that or the other prevalent theory that the move was caused by the onscreen brutal murders in season 3 methinks. If that really was the case then it might explain why the show is being moved again.
Post by: WillowLuman on November 26, 2014, 03:07:29 pm
It is in parallel. They're airing the first 3 eps of the season as episode 9 airs online.Also, they've moved Korra back to TV for the last half of the season vOvWait, what. No. No! I don't have cable television!
Unless you mean "in parallel to online", in which case carry on.
Post by: WillowLuman on December 01, 2014, 02:05:53 am
Post by: WillowLuman on December 05, 2014, 01:39:24 pm
Holy. Freaking. SHIT. Every episode is just better and better, and raises the stakes more and more. I am now very goddamn hyped for the grand finale of Korra. This shall be a conflict of epic proportions. And questions about Toph finally answered, though they're clearly saving some things for the comics.
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Post by: Naryar on December 12, 2014, 06:18:05 pm
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Also I am of very ambivalent thoughts about Kuvira. Is it me or her moral complexity seems to vary with each episode ?
let's sum it up:
-Pretty badass, also metalbending is awesome (which is a positive)
-An entirely self-made woman, which is rare in media (another positive)
-Far too much Nazi shenanigans (negative)
-More evil than pragmatic (negative)
-Conquering shit (positive. What ? Peace is boring)
-Apparently more power-hungry than pragmative (negative)
-Was put up as ambiguous at the start, then became more dog-kicking and less morally interesting as time went (negative)
-Spirit vine magitek laser railway Karl Gustavs (positive)
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So yeah, there's more positive but yet I am unconvinced. As the season went I liked her, then disliked her, then went back to neutral. I mean, I have nothing but admiration for an antagonist like Xanatos, but Kuvira...
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this must happen.
Post by: Glowcat on December 12, 2014, 06:23:24 pm
Also I am of very ambivalent thoughts about Kuvira. Is it me or her moral complexity seems to vary with each episode ?
It's kinda a running problem with the series where they have the villains sound reasonable but uncontrollably kick puppies so we know they're a bad person who needs their butt kicked.
Post by: WillowLuman on December 12, 2014, 06:31:14 pm
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Post by: Neonivek on December 12, 2014, 06:31:41 pm
1) Is she is a monster that needs to be stopped and everything she has done until now was just a front
or
2) Kuvira is meant to be a villain who progressively needs to go to further and further extremes to meet her goals. Starting off as a anti-hero and slowly progressing from anti-villain to villain to monster.
I like to think she is the second... That at one point if she stopped and went "you know what? we had enough, now lets work on fixing the earth kingdom" she would be a very effective leader.
But Given the 3rd season's villains and how they ended up... we will see.
I still don't buy the Prince as an effective leader though. I am somewhat hoping he isn't part of a "path to true kinghood" because frankly a few minor actions do not a king make.
Post by: WillowLuman on December 12, 2014, 06:36:36 pm
Post by: Bauglir on December 19, 2014, 01:29:19 pm
Post by: Naryar on December 19, 2014, 03:23:56 pm
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Pretty good overall. Kuvira actually seems more interesting when she emotes... even if she's pissed off. Especially than she is pissed off, actually.
Post by: Neonivek on December 19, 2014, 04:02:40 pm
So, Korra was good. By a wide margin, the best season of the lot - it managed not to fall in on itself toward the end like the past 3, and that makes all the difference.
It helps that Kuvera can actually back up her goals unlike the season 3 villains and is nuanced unlike the season 2 villain... and doesn't become a weenie like the season 1 villain.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 19, 2014, 04:21:50 pm
Post by: Naryar on December 19, 2014, 05:02:08 pm
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that other ship tho
What, you mean
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Also finale was good. Both sides were tactically pretty good, Kuvira outdones herself by each moment for never being helpless and always finding a solution to the situation
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Also, now convinced by Kuvira in the finale. +1, you go girl.
Post by: WillowLuman on December 20, 2014, 04:23:21 am
Wish I could type a long, elaborate post of spoiler discussion but in a few hours I leave for a long road trip.
Post by: Neonivek on December 20, 2014, 04:53:59 am
Wow!
The saddest thing is... that is the end of Avatar... I almost want to cry just from that...
I am not even going to put that Finale into a spoiler, it just NEEDS to be seen.
Post by: Naryar on December 20, 2014, 05:52:58 am
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I'm not fully convinced, personally. Yes, there is something deeper than with Mako and Bolin, clearly. But full-on romance ? Eh.
But I like Asami. She's the most interesting of the Korra team, I think.
Post by: WillowLuman on December 20, 2014, 10:33:15 am
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Post by: penguinofhonor on December 20, 2014, 10:44:09 am
Post by: Bauglir on December 20, 2014, 11:21:15 am
This. It was my major complaint, that they retained deniability. Still a major step up.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: WillowLuman on December 20, 2014, 11:26:41 am
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Post by: Glowcat on December 21, 2014, 11:15:25 pm
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Thank you, Internet. - Korrasami fans everywhere
Post by: Neonivek on December 21, 2014, 11:35:27 pm
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Post by: Neonivek on December 22, 2014, 02:13:38 am
Post by: Furtuka on December 22, 2014, 02:18:01 am
Post by: Neonivek on December 22, 2014, 02:35:20 am
O_o That response seems uncharacteristically salty for you Neo. Is everything alright?
I meant that more sarcastically then it came off. Whoops
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 22, 2014, 03:05:36 am
Nevertheless, from a military perspective, it's clear that the technology would be very useful. Neither side in combat has developed any effective anti-air weaponry, and I doubt that the bombs would be ineffective against the mini-mecha tanks.
While I'm willing to believe that any commercial enterprises were eliminated due to competition with airbenders willing to work for free, it's unclear why they disappeared from military purposes.
Post by: Neonivek on December 22, 2014, 03:07:42 am
Platinum is apparently extremely common, for example.
It is quite possible that technology advanced quickly but only in certain ways.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 22, 2014, 03:15:16 am
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Post by: Zangi on December 22, 2014, 06:23:23 am
Well remember that materials are different in the show then in real life.They also have better mining potential with the whole Earth Bending and BadgerMole thing... don't really need to develop elaborate/expensive mining technology when they got those.
Platinum is apparently extremely common, for example.
It is quite possible that technology advanced quickly but only in certain ways.
Post by: Neonivek on December 22, 2014, 07:54:58 am
And to an extent that is true... any metal bender can take down a blimp and it is nearly impossible to stop them
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 22, 2014, 08:22:02 am
These are clearly not outdated.
Post by: Neonivek on December 22, 2014, 08:24:15 am
Though the major reason can also be that the Avatar universe somewhat lacks the kind of weaponry a airplane would require.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 22, 2014, 08:37:21 am
Post by: Glowcat on December 22, 2014, 08:55:04 am
Post by: Zangi on December 22, 2014, 09:04:15 am
Though, any air force is fine as long as the enemy does not have airbenders.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 22, 2014, 10:04:33 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 22, 2014, 10:35:49 am
Post by: Zangi on December 22, 2014, 10:37:48 am
But yea, it would stand to reason that any future conflicts without any of the airbenders taking part would do well to have an air force. At the least, they'll develop some sort of turreted flak cannons to deal with airbenders if they do take part in a future conflict.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 22, 2014, 10:53:45 am
Post by: WillowLuman on December 22, 2014, 12:03:41 pm
Post by: Furtuka on December 23, 2014, 12:40:53 am
shipping confirmed by Mike
Post by: Neonivek on December 23, 2014, 05:40:07 am
http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/post/105916326500/korrasami-confirmed-now-that-korra-and-asamis
shipping confirmed by Mike
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Post by: Putnam on December 23, 2014, 05:40:53 am
like, just because it's romantic don't mean it has to be all lusty
Post by: Neonivek on December 23, 2014, 05:42:00 am
are you really suggesting that romantic relationships can't involve mutual respect, admiration, and family?
Depends if you watched the show or not or absorbed a few of its themes.
It isn't a show that sort of believes in whirlwind romances.
Post by: Glowcat on December 23, 2014, 05:43:31 am
Post by: Neonivek on December 23, 2014, 05:44:53 am
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Not going to break my no complaining rule.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 23, 2014, 09:20:41 am
Post by: Neonivek on December 23, 2014, 09:24:44 am
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Cause otherwise it is just a switch... you just got to jiggle the handle
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Though here is another way I could interpret it.
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Post by: Glowcat on December 23, 2014, 10:12:16 am
http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace (http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace)
Post by: Neonivek on December 23, 2014, 04:05:28 pm
There was also the longer version of how their romance developed behind the scenes from the developer perspective.
http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace (http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace)
Ehh tokenism.
Go big or go home.
Making it very ambiguous, to the point where it is just friendship, because the networks won't allow it and then filling in that info after the fact hardly counts within the context of the show.
There is only one guy I like who fills in a lot of important info after the fact. The guy who writes One Piece. Mostly because he always makes up the craziest stuff for it.
Though I've long since Forgiven Kim Possible for doing it MOSTLY because while yes the "of course they are in love" aspect was forced, they actually didn't start them out as best lovers. They actually had to build up their new relationship.
Post by: Putnam on December 23, 2014, 04:16:22 pm
There was also the longer version of how their romance developed behind the scenes from the developer perspective.
http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace (http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace)
Ehh tokenism.
wh
what
Post by: Neonivek on December 23, 2014, 04:18:12 pm
Unfortunately complaining rule kicks in.
So I can only state facts.
Though I do like the idea that MAYBE this will push the envelope enough (well not really because you have to read the Word of God to even know this for a fact... and accept Post show word of god canon as well) that they might change the rating system.
Post by: Bauglir on December 23, 2014, 10:24:59 pm
Complaining that it should've ended without a romance seems equally misguided. Don't get me wrong, I'd love more stories to do that, but you can't expect every kind of progress from a single work. Getting us out of the "Which boy will Korra end up with" box is good no matter how they do it, and I'm not about about to demand every television show aimed at teenagers forgo the absolute most reliable narrative device in a coming-of-age story. Somehow, this particular objection seems to escape notice in most other shows (and I sure as hell didn't see it happen when Korra started dating Mako).
Don't get me wrong, I think it could be better, but I haven't heard any criticism so far that boils down to anything other than "I can't handle subtlety in my progressive narratives", which is absurd since the lack of it is something people have been complaining about for ages, or else "It wasn't good in the way I wanted it to be good", which is hardly a damning piece of criticism. Sure, I have absolutely no doubt that they avoided making it an explicit pairing because of a directive from on high, or else an expectation that it would be forbidden if they tried it, but I think that the work they produced was actually fine in spite of all that, at least on these terms.
Now, on a purely emotional level, I really do wish they'd have kissed on screen, but that's because it would've been more satisfying to me as a shipper (god, homestuck's influence on me will never end). But that's a different thing.
Post by: Neonivek on December 23, 2014, 10:50:43 pm
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Here is the thing about Dumbledore... It didn't matter. It didn't change the story or the narrative in any meaningful sense. Most of the backlash was because it was a piece of information that should have been included narratively.
People rightfully complained because that is bad storytelling.
As well there is a difference between ambiguous and subtle. Just watch the scene with Korra and Mako during the heat wave.
Post by: Bauglir on December 23, 2014, 11:11:35 pm
Post by: Neonivek on December 23, 2014, 11:14:32 pm
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree with the Dumbledore thing. It's just simply not the case here, because it clearly did affect the narrative (and it's one of the most common comparisons I see, especially by people who think they didn't go too far enough). As I've said, though, I don't buy the argument that they didn't get together at the end. Word of God changes nothing.
Ultimately though it ALL hinges on ONE line.
The shipping is held together by exactly one line in the whole 4th season.
Because most of their relationship is built up, off screen with the exact nature of it never being revealed. They had about 3 personal scenes together, of which none of them were romantic in nature without any of them really trying to explore the other... In fact they specifically try to avoid talking about each other to each other.
I feel that without that one line, it would be ambiguous to you as well.
Post by: Sheb on January 02, 2015, 04:17:56 pm
Post by: cerapa on January 02, 2015, 04:22:59 pm
But yeah, that's pretty much season one from an equalist perspective.
Post by: Sheb on January 02, 2015, 04:25:46 pm
Post by: Bauglir on January 02, 2015, 04:27:14 pm
Post by: Sheb on January 02, 2015, 04:31:24 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on January 02, 2015, 04:35:56 pm
So I'm watching Legend of Korra now. As far as I can tell, it's about a spoiled kid joining a magician death squad to go and arrest muggles daring to oppose the current magistico-fascist regime, killing those that resist. I seriously like the guy that's supposed to be the villain a lot better.
But the president and two out of four of his counselors (except Tenzin and what's-his-name, the braided one) are non-benders, and how exactly are muggles are mistreated by benders? Benders naturally have more possibilities, but I think rather than result in discrimination, it would result in advanced division of labor, where benders occupy profession where being a bender is vital (since there are still fewer benders that muggles), while muggles can have any of a wide variety of other professions.
Post by: cerapa on January 02, 2015, 04:39:07 pm
Season goddamn one.
Spoilers.
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Post by: Sheb on January 02, 2015, 04:42:18 pm
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Post by: cerapa on January 02, 2015, 04:43:28 pm
I was talking to Comrade P. with the spoiler thing. I don't think there's anyone else but you watching at the moment that could be spoiled in any way.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 02, 2015, 04:48:45 pm
Sheb: How far are you? There's a really good line about that at some point.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 02, 2015, 04:49:19 pm
Dude...
Season goddamn one.
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Sorry, I though that my vision of things was warped enough to be left out of spoiler.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Sheb on January 02, 2015, 04:52:33 pm
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Edit: And from the look of bender when their power are taken away it's easy to see that they don't consider non-benders to be fully people.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 02, 2015, 04:55:02 pm
Keep in mind I'm only at Episode 8 of Season 1, so as far as possible, don't spoil me please.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Well yes it is crushed, but it is pretty radical and deprives government out of potential workers in core industries.
Post by: cerapa on January 02, 2015, 04:56:26 pm
Dude...
Season goddamn one.
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Post by: Sheb on January 02, 2015, 04:56:35 pm
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Post by: WillowLuman on January 02, 2015, 04:58:15 pm
Ok, I just watchedIt's totally oppression. Hoo boy, Episode 8 is great, though. Just wait for that one awesome line...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Comrade P. on January 02, 2015, 05:01:21 pm
Ok, I just watchedSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Okay, looks like I forget things from season one. All-seasons re-watch here I gooooo.
Post by: Zangi on January 02, 2015, 05:13:07 pm
Ok, I just watchedSpoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: penguinofhonor on January 02, 2015, 05:21:11 pm
Post by: Sheb on January 05, 2015, 08:09:27 am
What's the deal with the show progressivism? I mean, apart from having a female lead character/decent female characters?
Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2015, 08:13:15 am
Ok, I just finished the whole series. (Man I should have been studying).
What's the deal with the show progressivism? I mean, apart from having a female lead character/decent female characters?
They intentionally wrote it to be progressive. At least that is what the creators say, how much of that is true is beyond me, is that they honestly went out and went "ok how can we do something progressive today". Either that or they were just giving themselves congratulatory pats on the back.
Which in a rare instance it actually worked out... ignoring ratings.
Ok not that rare... but rare for a serious story.
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OR do you mean with Korra being a female because believe it or not... they didn't just do that.
They actually had to do a lot of tests to make sure that a female avatar wouldn't make the show unpopular.
AS WELL it isn't unprecedented in Avatar because Kitara was one of the fan favorites and Korra actually acts a lot like her.
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AS WELL the creators are actually great writing progressive plotlines and characters and are skilled in doing so.
Post by: Sheb on January 05, 2015, 08:15:15 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2015, 08:17:55 am
Well, what else did they do?
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Post by: Sheb on January 05, 2015, 08:21:02 am
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Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2015, 08:21:52 am
What? Korra andSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Yeah you got it.
It is because of one line.
Post by: Sheb on January 05, 2015, 08:22:39 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2015, 08:24:36 am
Dang, I didn't know making a progressive show was that easy.
Well to admit I am not being fair there are exactly two lines that hint at this being the case (outside word of god)
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Don't mind me I am only bugged by word of god. (no really that is it... I thought it was actually handled very well in the actual ending, more then I make it sound)
There are some instances where I think Word of God should be quiet.
Post by: Zangi on January 05, 2015, 11:14:52 am
They may also already be tiptoeing the line before that? Season 4 started airing by internets, before it was on tv if I remember right...
Personally, I'm totally fine if they had left the ending alone. People can either assume: Best Friends Forever or will turn into romance... something left to the imagination of its fans. Or spin-off comics(or something similar) of the adventures of Korra and Asumi in the spirit world.
Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2015, 11:17:46 am
Though you are right they actually couldn't have shown a kiss or clearer signs because it would make the show rating higher then their block.
Also they completed Season 4 before it was moved to the internets.
Post by: Zangi on January 05, 2015, 12:58:56 pm
... Where do I even look up this rating stuff? My google-fu with this particular stuff is weak, so I found something on TV Tropes, 'The Hays Code' (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/TheHaysCode?from=Main.HaysCode)... It seems relevant at a cursory glance.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 01:03:48 pm
Post by: Bauglir on January 05, 2015, 03:12:29 pm
Looking back, the two had a fair bit of chemistry, though said chemistry wasn't necessarily romantic.Precisely this. It wasn't until we were over halfway through season 4 that I thought the shippers had any ground to stand on, and even that was due to narrative structure of a scene more than any particular quality of interaction between the two. Still, it's hardly the "out of nowhere" some critics make it out to be.
Post by: Sheb on January 05, 2015, 03:28:13 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 05, 2015, 03:33:19 pm
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Post by: penguinofhonor on January 05, 2015, 03:51:35 pm
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Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 05:09:32 pm
Post by: Bauglir on January 05, 2015, 05:10:42 pm
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 05:11:28 pm
It's an American show, you see. Although it is animated in Korea, IIRC.
all american shows are animated in korea, even the simpsons. But it is still anime. It's that style and such. It is anathema to american cartoons.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 05, 2015, 05:12:55 pm
It's an American show, you see. Although it is animated in Korea, IIRC.
Amerime.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 05:14:59 pm
Anime fans for some reason seem to get pissed when people say Avatar is anime. I guess there's some strict definition that it has to be produced in Japan.It's an American show, you see. Although it is animated in Korea, IIRC.
all american shows are animated in korea, even the simpsons. But it is still anime. It's that style and such. It is anathema to american cartoons.
And, since the people that produce the show operate in America, and so do the people that came up with the ideas/scripts/etc, it counts as American.
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 05:16:28 pm
Although Akira, Grave of the Fireflies, and I guess a few other animes were okay. But most of them are rape-y and awful.
Or maybe I just saw too much urotsuki doji and dragon pink.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 05:24:52 pm
Post by: Bauglir on January 05, 2015, 05:26:37 pm
But most of them are rape-y and awful.Wow. That's... uh... not really accurate at all, provided you stay out of the intentionally-perverted genres.
... And your two examples are apparently porn, so okay there's your first problem. Japanese porn is no more progressive than Western porn, although its dehumanizing quirks are different ones.
Avatar is significantly better at this.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 05, 2015, 05:31:11 pm
I used to have prejudice about anime, but now I don't really care if cartoon I'm watching is anime or not. All that matters is whether I like what I'm watching or I don't. Both Last Airbender and Legend of Korra were good shows.
Also I read somewhere that the whole animator crew were forced to watch whole anime titles of Cowboy Bebop-tier while working on Last Airbender exactly to make it look like anime. But that's probably not true.
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 05:34:21 pm
Is that some weird cartoon racism I see?
I used to have prejudice about anime, but now I don't really care if cartoon I'm watching is anime or not. Both Last Airbender and Legend of Korra were good shows.
Also I read somewhere that the whole animator crew were forced to watch whole anime titles of Cowboy Bebop-tier while working on Last Airbender exactly to make it look like anime. But that's probably not true.
no it's not racism. Not liking a style of animation does not equate to racism. I do not not like anime because it is made by the Japanese, I do not like anime because it sucks and has terrible depictions of women. But mostly because the artstyle is dull as all hell.
Also the urotsuki doji and dragon pink comment was a joke, of course they are porn. The creator of urotsuki doji says he used tentacles (and apparently other than traditional japanese art, this was one of the first uses) because he was forbidden from drawing penises.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 05, 2015, 05:37:16 pm
Post by: Zangi on January 05, 2015, 05:46:21 pm
*Throws in more words about this being a Western toon, mainly highlighting the fact that creators/team behind this is Western, despite the fact that the animation is more on par with what is considered anime.*
Post by: Putnam on January 05, 2015, 05:52:09 pm
no it's not racism. Not liking a style of animation does not equate to racism. I do not not like anime because it is made by the Japanese, I do not like anime because it sucks and has terrible depictions of women. But mostly because the artstyle is dull as all hell.
i don't like webcomics because they suck and have terrible depictions of women. but mostly because the artstyle is dull as all hell.
it's just as valid a statement because both mediums are varied
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 05:54:50 pm
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 05:55:33 pm
I do not perceive much variation from one anime to the next, and the artstyle feels like a different take on things by the same artist ad nauseum.
And I think it is safe to say that a lot of anime depicts women horribly. They definitely fall into an always passive/submissive role.
Post by: Putnam on January 05, 2015, 05:58:13 pm
And I think it is safe to say that a lot of anime depicts women horribly. They definitely fall into an always passive/submissive role.
are you serious
you don't even watch anime, you cannot make statements like that.
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 05:59:32 pm
And I think it is safe to say that a lot of anime depicts women horribly. They definitely fall into an always passive/submissive role.
are you serious
you don't even watch anime, you cannot make statements like that.
I used to devour anime, actually. I still have LaBlue Girl on video around here somewhere.
Actually, I probably have quite a few (not just porn) on vhs in storage
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 06:01:09 pm
On the subject of Avatar, several arse-kicking non-sexualized female characters who get a ton of development, as well as perhaps one of the best female villains of all time. And the style is more different than you'd think at first glance.
Post by: Furtuka on January 05, 2015, 06:02:44 pm
And I think it is safe to say that a lot of anime depicts women horribly. They definitely fall into an always passive/submissive role.
are you serious
you don't even watch anime, you cannot make statements like that.
I used to devour anime, actually. I still have LaBlue Girl on video around here somewhere.
Actually, I probably have quite a few (not just porn) on vhs in storage
Could you please give non porn examples, it's not really helping your credibility here.
Post by: Putnam on January 05, 2015, 06:03:24 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on January 05, 2015, 06:05:27 pm
And I think it is safe to say that a lot of anime depicts women horribly. They definitely fall into an always passive/submissive role.
Go watch Ghibli creations , as of now. It was Ghibli studio who brought you Grave of the Fireflies. They make movies that good on regular basis.
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 06:06:24 pm
edit: I said "a lot of" more than one example is required for it to be false.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 05, 2015, 06:13:03 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 06:15:28 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 05, 2015, 06:18:05 pm
Post by: Glowcat on January 05, 2015, 06:26:22 pm
What about the blushing? Wasn't there some obvious blushing somewhere?
I might just be underestimating my shipping tendencies.
There were plenty of signs that don't fit what people in... let's say mainstream relationships aren't prepared to detect.
But it started being a thing that looked like more than just teasing between Seasons 3 and 4 (with a few scenes building it up in 3).
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 06:28:58 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 06:30:19 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2015, 08:57:56 pm
discriminatory? yes. Racist? no.
I do not perceive much variation from one anime to the next, and the artstyle feels like a different take on things by the same artist ad nauseum.
And I think it is safe to say that a lot of anime depicts women horribly. They definitely fall into an always passive/submissive role.
What!?! Wait WHAT!?! *Checks the thread topic* DANG I can't retort this is the western animation thread.
Also western animation also depicts women horribly anyhow :P
Assuming this is the same "West" that created Sky from Carl Squared... Who is the typical "Unpleasable Girlfriend" archtype.
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What about the blushing? Wasn't there some obvious blushing somewhere?
I might just be underestimating my shipping tendencies.
There were plenty of signs that don't fit what people in... let's say mainstream relationships aren't prepared to detect.
But it started being a thing that looked like more than just teasing between Seasons 3 and 4 (with a few scenes building it up in 3).
No, I watched the entire thing carefully. They couldn't do any real signs because that would have affected the ratings. All the "Hints" were things that she would have done without any romance involved.
And this is also Legend of Korra... They don't do "Subtle" Romance.
Though given that it was the best handled Romance on the entire show ANYHOW because the series does nothing but romance tumors.
Baolin's second romance being the WORST romance type that PLAGUES western animation... the "Unpleasable Girlfriend you have to change yourself to please her and do everything in your power to do things for" Girlfriend and I honestly don't dislike her character but I dislike her so immensely whenever they are coupled together.
Seriously Baolin's FIRST romance was better handled because at least in that they later reveal that Baolin actually liked the way he was treated, he just was too scared to admit he was in love even to himself.
Ohh look Baolin didn't have to prove himself to his first romance either, he never had to do tests of loyalty, and they were actually shown to enjoy spending time together.
And no I didn't want him to end up with either of them... But when the joke romance that made Baolin so unhappy ends up being the superior romance go back to the writing board.
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 09:07:07 pm
If someone tells me the Simpsons sucks, I don't freak out, I go "okay". If someone says american cartoons suck it doesn't bother me.
Post by: Bauglir on January 05, 2015, 09:09:10 pm
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 09:10:52 pm
Yeah, but people can attach value to different things arbitrarily and your own experiences don't define anybody else's. You know this. You also know that there's a marked social difference between asking a question like that in a vacuum, and asking it right after you've done the thing which upsets people for reasons you don't understand.
I think criticizing something or saying you are not a fan, especially when it is cartoons, shouldn't create a hostile response.
I mean I don't like WoW either, but no one flips about that.
Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2015, 09:13:36 pm
Yeah, but people can attach value to different things arbitrarily and your own experiences don't define anybody else's. You know this. You also know that there's a marked social difference between asking a question like that in a vacuum, and asking it right after you've done the thing which upsets people for reasons you don't understand.
I think criticizing something or saying you are not a fan, especially when it is cartoons, shouldn't create a hostile response.
I mean I don't like WoW either, but no one flips about that.
Ok, I'll meet you halfway here.
"I don't like videogames, they are too violent and lets face it... Most of them are murder simulators. In fact there is very little difference between the gameplay of videogames"
To someone who has a very passing knowledge of videogames... Yeah this might fly.
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 09:15:09 pm
Yeah, but people can attach value to different things arbitrarily and your own experiences don't define anybody else's. You know this. You also know that there's a marked social difference between asking a question like that in a vacuum, and asking it right after you've done the thing which upsets people for reasons you don't understand.
I think criticizing something or saying you are not a fan, especially when it is cartoons, shouldn't create a hostile response.
I mean I don't like WoW either, but no one flips about that.
Ok, I'll meet you halfway here.
"I don't like videogames, they are too violent and lets face it... Most of them are murder simulators. In fact there is very little difference between the gameplay of videogames"
this statement does not bother me, though why are you on a video game forum (for a game that is rife with murder)
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 09:15:21 pm
I've always been confused by the anger of otakus over people not liking anime and criticizing it.(Ninja'd 3 times)
If someone tells me the Simpsons sucks, I don't freak out, I go "okay". If someone says american cartoons suck it doesn't bother me.
That's just what fans are like. Fans, to some extent, make the fandom part of their identity. Though, to be honest, the disrespecting women thing is kinda true of media in general. For more specific gripes about the genre, I'm with you on the stylistic problems.
But, again, there's a separate thread for anime. Korra/Avatar doesn't go there, because while at first glance it may seem like an anime, it's really not.
Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2015, 09:19:30 pm
this statement does not bother me, though why are you on a video game forum (for a game that is rife with murder)
Ok then.
Blanket statements about a medium that is rather untrue of the whole or indistinct from other mediums that the person is indirectly referring to makes me mad.
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But since we are on the topic of how much better Western Animation is...
I am trying to think of a single Romance in the Avatar Series that ever felt... well handled.
Aang and Kitara definitely wasn't handled well and was rather jarring. Mako and Korra became a TORTURE! Mako and Asumi would have been great but the dialog always felt like "Hey, can we make Korra seem more desirable?".
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 09:20:23 pm
this statement does not bother me, though why are you on a video game forum (for a game that is rife with murder)
Ok then.
Blanket statements about a medium that is rather untrue of the whole or indistinct from other mediums that the person is indirectly referring to makes me mad.
I think perhaps you get too riled up about stuff if that is the case, and I am personally a pretty rage-y person
Post by: Bauglir on January 05, 2015, 09:25:39 pm
Given that people are allowed to care about it, what's wrong with a hostile response when somebody attacks it apropos of absolutely nothing?
I mean, I absolutely agree that problems exist (my belief is that anime is no worse than Western mainstream media, which isn't exactly a high bar), but that's entirely beside the point that you're derailing a thread for no other reason than to pick a fight. This isn't asking uncomfortable questions, isn't unsettling the status quo, isn't protecting the oppressed. It's just being a bad member of the community.
It doesn't matter how much I agree with your view of the world. It doesn't matter what differences of opinion I might have as to the particulars. It doesn't matter that problems really do exist and need solving. This isn't an LGBT-oriented forum. Not every conversation is going to be seen through that lens, and trying to force it to be is not going to help.
Please, do respond to me. I don't want you to feel like I'm shutting down your opinions or dismissing the validity of your perspective on irrelevant technical grounds. I don't want to be "mansplaining" the way the world works. But please respond by PM so that we don't derail this thread any further.
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 09:28:52 pm
Do I really need to explain to you, of all people, why the value people place on the stories and narratives they prefer is valid and important? You clearly think video game narratives (for instance) including a measure of diversity and representation of people who are typically dehumanized is something worth fighting for. Video game narratives are, apparently, important to you. What's different about anime to somebody who cares about it?
Given that people are allowed to care about it, what's wrong with a hostile response when somebody attacks it apropos of absolutely nothing?
I mean, I absolutely agree that problems exist (my belief is that anime is no worse than Western mainstream media, which isn't exactly a high bar), but that's entirely beside the point that you're derailing a thread for no other reason than to pick a fight. This isn't asking uncomfortable questions, isn't unsettling the status quo, isn't protecting the oppressed. It's just being a bad member of the community.
It doesn't matter how much I agree with your view of the world. It doesn't matter what differences of opinion I might have as to the particulars. It doesn't matter that problems really do exist and need solving. This isn't an LGBT-oriented forum. Not every conversation is going to be seen through that lens, and trying to force it to be is not going to help.
Please, do respond to me. I don't want you to feel like I'm shutting down your opinions or dismissing the validity of your perspective on irrelevant technical grounds. I don't want to be "mansplaining" the way the world works. But please respond by PM so that we don't derail this thread any further.
dude, it'a anime, not a rights struggle, and I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. If you want to talk about better women representation in anime, I am with you in that fight.
Also, don't make an argument publicly and then tell me to respond via pm.
Actually looking at this you are also dredging up the female in games arguments we had in a passive aggressive fashion. That thread is locked, don't cross-contaminate.
Post by: Bauglir on January 05, 2015, 09:42:16 pm
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 09:48:01 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 09:49:25 pm
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 09:52:55 pm
Actually, just looked it up and ed, edd, and eddy was not hannah barbara, I should know, they required a very specific style of art. The creator did start as an animator for hannah barbara.
I've never thought of it as an "old" cartoon, though. Was it that long ago?
That time period had a lot of great cartoons in general, and some that got pilot episodes that should have gotten much more.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 09:59:26 pm
I remember liking Dexter's Laboratory and PPG, but thought Ed Edd and Eddy was just kinda dumb. I've always been more of one for the action-adventure than the slapstick/goofball comedy, though. Samurai Jack, Batman (lots of Batman shows it seems). For the longest time my family didn't have cable, though so it was mostly KidsWB and PBS I was watching. Any of the CN/Nicktoons stuff I watched before then are things I remember from before gradeschool.
Post by: smeeprocket on January 05, 2015, 10:00:48 pm
More than 20 years ago, now.
I remember liking Dexter's Laboratory and PPG, but thought Ed Edd and Eddy was just kinda dumb. I've always been more of one for the action-adventure than the slapstick/goofball comedy, though. Samurai Jack, Batman (lots of Batman shows it seems). For the longest time my family didn't have cable, though so it was mostly KidsWB and PBS I was watching. Any of the CN/Nicktoons stuff I watched before then are things I remember from before gradeschool.
no that';s not right, because I wasn't 14 when those things were running.
Ed, Edd, and Eddy was more about kids' imaginations and being con artists than anything else.
Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2015, 10:01:44 pm
back on topic, ed, edd and eddy, best show or best show ever?
Never liked it... Unlikable jerks who live in a town of unlikable jerks who do unlikable jerk things.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 05, 2015, 10:04:31 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on January 05, 2015, 10:24:35 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2015, 10:28:09 pm
Specifically watching anime rape porn and then complaining that anime as a whole is "too rapey" seems pretty odd to me.
Well that is why I watch Biker Mice from Mars, Street Sharks, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles exclusively.
Ohh and Boybots, Creepy Crawlers, and Mummies Alive.
Ok not really, but I chose those for a reason.
Boybots though I can never remember the name of.
Post by: Radio Controlled on January 06, 2015, 03:05:24 am
back on topic, ed, edd and eddy, best show or best show ever?
Never liked it... Unlikable jerks who live in a town of unlikable jerks who do unlikable jerk things.
And isn't it just the greatest thing ever?
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 03:12:15 am
back on topic, ed, edd and eddy, best show or best show ever?
Never liked it... Unlikable jerks who live in a town of unlikable jerks who do unlikable jerk things.
And isn't it just the greatest thing ever?
Well, I watched the show for Edd (or Double D as they call him), but he rarely got to shine.
Post by: Mech#4 on January 06, 2015, 03:19:11 am
"Aaaah! Real Monsters!"
"Duckula"
"Darkwing Duck"
"Inspector Gadget"
Probably lots more but I can't remember them right now.
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 03:21:53 am
But are we forgetting "My Pet Monster" (Or My Pal Monster... I forget...)?
Post by: Caz on January 06, 2015, 03:28:07 am
On subject of actual Anime, that sounds about true for media in general (and having not seen much but done a research paper that involved Anime, it seems to be prevalent there). But I'd highly recommend Ghibli if you're looking for positive depictions of women.
On the subject of Avatar, several arse-kicking non-sexualized female characters who get a ton of development, as well as perhaps one of the best female villains of all time. And the style is more different than you'd think at first glance.
Kuvira is awesome. I just wish they hadn't saved her character development for one of the very last scenes she's in though. Before that she's pretty much cardboard dictator who is really good at dancing. She was designed to be the 'anti-Korra' iirc.
Post by: Caz on January 06, 2015, 03:28:51 am
I do not like anime because it sucks and has terrible depictions of women.
Watch better anime.
Post by: Mech#4 on January 06, 2015, 03:40:57 am
Never seen Duckula
But are we forgetting "My Pet Monster" (Or My Pal Monster... I forget...)?
Looking it up, that blue monster looks familiar but I can't say I remember watching it.
"Duckula"; green, vegetarian vampire duck goes on time travelling adventures in his warping castle along with gloomy vulture butler and overbearing, door crushing nurse hen.
Which reminds me, from that series sprang another one that I used to watch; "Victor and Hugo". Two french thieves, who may or may not have been based on John Cleese and Bluebottle from "The Goons", generally manage to mess up even the most straight forward jobs.
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 03:43:54 am
Though I shouldn't put in Jem and the Holograms because it was pretty amazing... As well I'd defend Sofia the First to the death.
And they should have continued Jane and the Dragon.
Sometimes it pays to actually know a LOT of TV shows.
I think the lesson everyone should take from this is: Put Jane and the Dragon back on the air! Goodness!
It is actually TO DATE the only Western Show that has a "Kind hearted Male Character who wouldn't hurt a fly" AS his character... and I LOVE him. I love his introduction where Jane couldn't even track him because he walks so softly that he doesn't leave tracks. Why does he walk so softly? Because he doesn't want to hurt any plants. (Which I mention because that is the one male character I want to appear in TV more often... Goodness Alexander from FF6 and the Gardener from Jane and The Dragon and that is it)
And Most characters in Jane and the Dragon actually has depth. So you have the spoiled Rotten young and fat prince right? But he is also a rather large animal lover and dislikes the hunt, giving hints that perhaps there is a kind heart under everything.
As well Jane is just an awesome character, I honestly wanted to see more episodes centered just around her exploring. But what is most admirable about her is that she sticks to her code of ethics and doesn't break them even when it might hurt her. She is also witty, quick, quick thinking, kind most of the time, brash, brave, headstrong, prideful, stubborn.
Post by: Radio Controlled on January 06, 2015, 03:53:08 am
However, if A says "I don't like X because it degenerates women" then that implies I enjoy things that degenerate women. And since I like to think that's not the case, there's a clear difference with the previous. Couple that with the fact that person A then displays a very lacking knowledge of the subject, I do see why that would really tick people of.
For comparison: If I like reading, and you don't because you can't get into a story that way, that's ok. But if you don't like reading, and then go on to proclaim that's because "books are just filthy smut and power fantasies" (implying that I, as a known reading fan, am into that stuff), and then couple that with saying "Oh yeah, I've only ever read fifty shades of grey, and none of the thousands of other books out there" then I think you can see where the problem lies.
Post by: Caz on January 06, 2015, 03:56:56 am
If I like X, then person A saying "I don't like X because the artstyle isn't my thing" or "I can't connect to the stories" is perfectly valid and ok.
However, if A says "I don't like X because it degenerates women" then that implies I enjoy things that degenerate women. And since I like to think that's not the case, there's a clear difference with the previous. Couple that with the fact that person A then displays a very lacking knowledge of the subject, I do see why that would really tick people of.
For comparison: If I like reading, and you don't because you can't get into a story that way, that's ok. But if you don't like reading, and then go on to proclaim that's because "books are just filthy smut and power fantasies" (implying that I, as a known reading fan, am into that stuff), and then couple that with saying "Oh yeah, I've only ever read fifty shades of grey, and none of the thousands of other books out there" then I think you can see where the problem lies.
Agreed.
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 03:59:31 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also I saw the Rainbow Bright Reboot
It is somehow worse and actually insulting to everyone...
I mean sure the old Rainbow Bright has a lot of REALLY unfortunate implications, but it was actually awesome for that.
Post by: Caz on January 06, 2015, 04:01:16 am
Also I saw the Rainbow Bright Reboot
It is somehow worse and actually insulting to everyone...
I mean sure the old Rainbow Bright has a lot of REALLY unfortunate implications, but it was actually awesome for that.
There was a Scooby Doo remake lately and the animation was one of the most hideous I'd ever seen. They also shoehorned in a romance between Shaggy and Velma. It was ick.
Post by: Putnam on January 06, 2015, 04:02:09 am
Post by: UXLZ on January 06, 2015, 04:08:04 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 04:10:33 am
The Fred and Daphne Romance was probably one of the BEST romances I've seen in western animation. Neither of them demanded anything from the other that they weren't honestly owed and their journey was about learning about the other and celebrating their differences. They actually shown how a atypical relationship would work. Fred didn't have to suddenly learn how to express himself in ways that he honestly couldn't, and Daphne didn't have to do anything really (Daphne was pretty much the driver in that relationship).
As opposed to Carl Squared where Sky had full control of the relationship and the entire thing was mostly Sky usually being overly critical and demanding and Carl needing to do whatever the heck she wanted and Sky usually only helping Carl when it suits her interests. Or Carl just doing whatever the heck he wanted and just being an uncomfortable jerk to Sky (it gets better after they compromise...)... But on the PLUS side... Sky eventually learns that all their relationship seems to be is Carl doing stuff for her.
Carl and Sky's relationship is pretty much my exemplar of how not to do a relationship in fiction (unless you do it intentionally).
The old Scooby Doo was, please don't tell me they've ruined my childhood favorite show?
IF... and this is a bit If... you can get past the horrible Velma and Shaggy romance tumor... You will enjoy it.
Post by: Mech#4 on January 06, 2015, 04:10:48 am
Post by: Putnam on January 06, 2015, 04:18:26 am
The old Scooby Doo was, please don't tell me they've ruined my childhood favorite show?
The old Scooby Doo was shit. This one has... a plot.
Post by: UXLZ on January 06, 2015, 04:21:05 am
Hey, the animation was fine and the show entertaining for 7 year old me. >_>
I always found most of the Disney stuff not that interesting, anyway.
Still, if the new one's good, that's awesome.
Post by: Putnam on January 06, 2015, 04:25:24 am
Hey, the animation was fine
wait okay I've been exaggerating my hate of the old scooby doo for mostly comedic effect (I actually enjoy watching it) but there's no way you can make that statement in particular with a straight face
Post by: UXLZ on January 06, 2015, 04:29:02 am
Nothing to write home about, though.
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 04:31:24 am
*Laughs*
Post by: Comrade P. on January 06, 2015, 04:32:55 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 04:44:19 am
From my childhood I remember wacthing only Samurai Jack and Last Airbender. All the other stuff aired just filled the time between those two for me. All the other cartoons I saw I watched during past two years.
In all fairness your a 2000s kid... outside a few select good shows there was nothing good on. :P
Post by: Comrade P. on January 06, 2015, 04:47:25 am
From my childhood I remember wacthing only Samurai Jack and Last Airbender. All the other stuff aired just filled the time between those two for me. All the other cartoons I saw I watched during past two years.
In all fairness your a 2000s kid... outside a few select good shows there was nothing good on. :P
Mid-90's. In Russia those shows were aired later.
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 04:59:25 am
The 2000s still had Justice League and Justice League Unlimited for example.
And 2010s is actually picking up!
Post by: Putnam on January 06, 2015, 05:02:26 am
From my childhood I remember wacthing only Samurai Jack and Last Airbender. All the other stuff aired just filled the time between those two for me. All the other cartoons I saw I watched during past two years.
In all fairness your a 2000s kid... outside a few select good shows there was nothing good on. :P
Mid-90's. In Russia those shows were aired later.
Wait, what was mid-90's? 2000s kid refers to when you grew up, not were born. I was very much one o' them, spending basically my entire remembered childhood there despite being born in 1995.
Post by: UXLZ on January 06, 2015, 05:11:53 am
Post by: Comrade P. on January 06, 2015, 05:18:46 am
From my childhood I remember wacthing only Samurai Jack and Last Airbender. All the other stuff aired just filled the time between those two for me. All the other cartoons I saw I watched during past two years.
In all fairness your a 2000s kid... outside a few select good shows there was nothing good on. :P
Mid-90's. In Russia those shows were aired later.
Wait, what was mid-90's? 2000s kid refers to when you grew up, not were born. I was very much one o' them, spending basically my entire remembered childhood there despite being born in 1995.
Okay then, 2000's.
2000 is like, exactly when I first gained conscious memory.
Also true for me.
Post by: Glowcat on January 06, 2015, 09:20:46 am
If I like X, then person A saying "I don't like X because the artstyle isn't my thing" or "I can't connect to the stories" is perfectly valid and ok.
However, if A says "I don't like X because it degenerates women" then that implies I enjoy things that degenerate women. And since I like to think that's not the case, there's a clear difference with the previous. Couple that with the fact that person A then displays a very lacking knowledge of the subject, I do see why that would really tick people of.
For comparison: If I like reading, and you don't because you can't get into a story that way, that's ok. But if you don't like reading, and then go on to proclaim that's because "books are just filthy smut and power fantasies" (implying that I, as a known reading fan, am into that stuff), and then couple that with saying "Oh yeah, I've only ever read fifty shades of grey, and none of the thousands of other books out there" then I think you can see where the problem lies.
Not that Smee's point wasn't incredibly screwy, with using hentai for her example versus non-adult cartoons, instead of comparing shows with even comparable target demographic age ranges, but anime does have some hella problematic aspects. Some which are categorically different from those present in western animation. I don't like anime when it does degenerate women, but I like anime *points to current avatar*. Usually I can tolerate the problematic parts of anime, though some nonsense, like the heaving boob or panty shot, tends to make me find something less insipid or at least throw me out of the story with a groan.
I tend to agree with Katherine Cross (http://feministing.com/2014/04/24/sexist-static-how-a-lust-for-crude-misogyny-is-hobbling-an-important-artform/) that anime has potential despite of its problems.
And Revolutionary Girl Utena is required watching, by like, Feminist Law or something.
Post by: Caz on January 06, 2015, 09:24:36 am
Not that Smee's point wasn't incredibly screwy, with using hentai for her example versus non-adult cartoons, instead of comparing shows with even comparable target demographic age ranges, but anime does have some hella problematic aspects. Some which are categorically different from those present in western animation. I don't like anime when it does degenerate women, but I like anime *points to current avatar*. Usually I can tolerate the problematic parts of anime, though some nonsense, like the heaving boob or panty shot, tends to make me find something less insipid or at least throw me out of the story with a groan.
I tend to agree with Katherine Cross (http://feministing.com/2014/04/24/sexist-static-how-a-lust-for-crude-misogyny-is-hobbling-an-important-artform/) that anime has potential despite of its problems.
And Revolutionary Girl Utena is required watching, by like, Feminist Law or something.
Yeah, originating from an extremely socially conservative country re: women's rights doesn't help. There are definitely some good animes that break this mould though.
Post by: Radio Controlled on January 06, 2015, 09:52:54 am
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Not that Smee's point wasn't incredibly screwy, with using hentai for her example versus non-adult cartoons, instead of comparing shows with even comparable target demographic age ranges, but anime does have some hella problematic aspects.
Oh, it probably does. Really, the point was that one can't in honesty debate the topic when one doesn't know enough about the subject to make fair judgements. But I agree that anime sometimes has annoying aspects ("oh sure, when I'm watching a cool action adventure, then random fanservice without any connection to the plot or character development is just what we need to tell a compelling story").
Post by: UXLZ on January 06, 2015, 10:03:11 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 10:08:58 am
There is a reason why even when REALLY ticked off, I didn't just defend anime except in PMs to Smeeprocket.
So... 'Bout that new Loony Toons...?
At first I HATED the new Lola bunny, like immensely but that is because at first she just REALLY REALLY wasn't funny to me and so it felt like they took a character who finally found her niche, being the serious character among unserious ones, and made her bland and unfunny.
But then came the Drivers Test episode
And ohh boy... If you disliked Lola prior to the episode you will become a fully convert because she was hilarious! Honestly it was the first time the show just made me on the edge of my seat in hilarity.
Seriously if you never watched the new Loony Toons Show... Just watch that one episode.
Post by: smeeprocket on January 06, 2015, 10:15:31 am
Post by: Erkki on January 06, 2015, 10:21:30 am
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FG8vbnvtZj0/T2eqhgsLRpI/AAAAAAAAAmQ/EhtqtuZmVAg/s400/CIMG3048+-+adj.jpg)
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 10:35:19 am
Cybersix which is French...
And Winx Club which is Italian
Cybersix is better then her appearance might suggest (well, to others... I think she looks fine and her High Heels actually work for her) and honestly the plotlines are often incredibly sad and touching. The Comic I cannot comment too much on as I barely seen it, but it sure is different... I prefer the overly short cartoon
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs6/i/2005/096/6/1/Cybersix__unoriginally_titled_by_IvD_ICE.jpg (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs6/i/2005/096/6/1/Cybersix__unoriginally_titled_by_IvD_ICE.jpg)
While Winx club is INCREDIBLY mixed... Just don't get attached to any of the male characters, they just sort of become... a detriment to the show.
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 06, 2015, 10:44:07 am
Post by: smjjames on January 06, 2015, 10:54:58 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 10:59:35 am
Quote from: Cybersix Wikipedia articleThe evil and cruel Dr. Von Reichter, a member of the SS and the Nazi party, is an expert in genetic engineering. He initially began his work in concentration camps during World War II, implanting cybernetic organs in the bodies of dead prisoners in an attempt to bring them back to life to serve in the Führer's army. However, the Allied forces intervened to defeat the Nazis, so he fled to South America, where he once again continued his sinister experiments.
It's good to know Argentina plays up the Nazi thing in their fiction.
Also she's a female superhero with a male secret identity. That's pretty cool.
When I was a kid, I thought she was a man (well male child) put into a female body as part of Reichter's experiment.
It actually makes a lot of sense considering a lot of the other elements.
But to my knowledge no, she is a woman who can oddly switch between a male or female persona with very little effort. I say to my knowledge because it wouldn't surprise me with this series.
Though given she is a vampire (sort of) in the comic, the Cartoon retains some semblance of this element but tones it down, I guess it would make less sense.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 06, 2015, 11:19:14 am
They had a few good ones on PBS: namely Arthur, Word Girl (though that came a bit later) and Cyberchase.From my childhood I remember wacthing only Samurai Jack and Last Airbender. All the other stuff aired just filled the time between those two for me. All the other cartoons I saw I watched during past two years.
In all fairness your a 2000s kid... outside a few select good shows there was nothing good on. :P
On KidsWB (which was the other one I watched because we didn't have cable), there was the Jackie Chan Adventures, "The Batman", Xiolin Showdown, and Yugi-Oh (which looking back on wasn't that great, but I ate that shit up in gradeschool).
On Nickelodeon (did get cable back when we moved) there's Fairly Odd Parents, Danny Phantom, Avatar, and a few Marvel shows that were fairly decent but didn't last long.
I was more referring to Azula, but Kuvira is indeed awesome.On subject of actual Anime, that sounds about true for media in general (and having not seen much but done a research paper that involved Anime, it seems to be prevalent there). But I'd highly recommend Ghibli if you're looking for positive depictions of women.
On the subject of Avatar, several arse-kicking non-sexualized female characters who get a ton of development, as well as perhaps one of the best female villains of all time. And the style is more different than you'd think at first glance.
Kuvira is awesome. I just wish they hadn't saved her character development for one of the very last scenes she's in though. Before that she's pretty much cardboard dictator who is really good at dancing. She was designed to be the 'anti-Korra' iirc.
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 11:39:38 am
I actually found her involvement with the ending to be really weird and out of place, especially since... if she wasn't evil... She easily could have been the powerful benevolent despot that could have protected the Earth Kingdom's best interest from the world's influence that constantly tries to subvert them because they are weaker... Her co-operation and freedom would have been absolutely vital to the resolution of the war.
But I guess... Shattering them all into independent city states and thus eliminating the larger power struggle is far superior... Hey how many city states in the Earth Kingdom are poor and are suffering from Famine who won't get food now because you dissolved their larger connection to eachother? But naw Large countries are EVIL!!!
Mind you I didn't mind that aspect. I KNEW they were making a mistake as far as how it would work in real life... But this is Avatar land, I am sure everyone is more then happy to share their food, work together against bandits, and help eachother in their time of need. Rather then in real life where the war would make each city care only for themselves. I WISH things would go as smoothly in real life as they do in Avatar Land. Even the Kuvira and the Queen weren't as bad as their real life counterparts.
As for Azula's development at the end... I felt it was well foreshadowed (mind you she was defeated pretty easily... I honestly think she should have put up more of a fight)
Mostly because Azula to me didn't change near the end she was just like she always was. The issue? She defeated all her enemies, she subjugated everyone who would betray her or put her down, and she was surrounded by no one but loyal followers. Her paranoia and constant planning which was a virtue and absolutely essential during the war was detrimental during "peace".
Which is actually quite common of militaristic regimes. It is why Pirates are often ex-military officers.
Post by: Sheb on January 06, 2015, 11:41:41 am
I haven't followed "Western" animations much(anime even less) and I dont know many really good ones besides South Park, but I've read cartoons. My favorites are Moebius (Jean Giraud) and Jean-Claude Mézičres - for Blueberry and Valerian.
Going to act all pedantic here, but Moebius is his name for his more... fantsy stuff, like the hermetic garage, or the Incal. We call him Giraud for Blueberry.
Post by: Caz on January 06, 2015, 11:44:42 am
I was more referring to Azula, but Kuvira is indeed awesome.
Oh damn, my mind just went straight to the second avatar series I guess.
Azula was awesome. Her arc in the comics was pretty good as well.
Post by: Caz on January 06, 2015, 11:47:49 am
I actually found her involvement with the ending to be really weird and out of place, especially since... if she wasn't evil... She easily could have been the powerful benevolent despot that could have protected the Earth Kingdom's best interest from the world's influence that constantly tries to subvert them because they are weaker... Her co-operation and freedom would have been absolutely vital to the resolution of the war.
I think she went totally power-mad after uniting most of the Earth Kingdom. 3 years of conquest could change anyone pretty severely. I also think she wanted to stick it to Suyin for refusing to help unite the Earth Kingdom in the first place, so there was a definitely a grudge there. Then there was the thing where Korra+Kuvira agreed to fight for Zaofu and then the Beifong side screwed up the agreement, causing her to invade.
Also being able to drive a 25-story super mech with a disintegrating cannon would make anyone into a psychotic murderer, imo. Power corrupts. Really easy to start shooting people when they're just little specks at your feet.
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 11:51:45 am
"Superman Versus the Elite" happens to be not only a good movie that explains the American "GRITTY!!!" mindset but happens to probably be the best argument for why people like Superman.
Seriously, if your idea of Superman is some overpowered character who solves everything instantly... You might want to watch this. Sure you might not like Superman, but you will understand the crux of what he is about.
I actually found her involvement with the ending to be really weird and out of place, especially since... if she wasn't evil... She easily could have been the powerful benevolent despot that could have protected the Earth Kingdom's best interest from the world's influence that constantly tries to subvert them because they are weaker... Her co-operation and freedom would have been absolutely vital to the resolution of the war.
I think she went totally power-mad after uniting most of the Earth Kingdom. 3 years of conquest could change anyone pretty severely. I also think she wanted to stick it to Suyin for refusing to help unite the Earth Kingdom in the first place, so there was a definitely a grudge there. Then there was the thing where Korra+Kuvira agreed to fight for Zaofu and then the Beifong side screwed up the agreement, causing her to invade.
Also being able to drive a 25-story super mech with a disintegrating cannon would make anyone into a psychotic murderer, imo. Power corrupts. Really easy to start shooting people when they're just little specks at your feet.
I understand that is EXACTLY what happened. I mean if she never got corrupted her "invasion" would have been for the better. Kouvira though to me wasn't corrupted by power but corrupted by the compromises she had to make with herself to achieve her goals. It was her drive to achieve what needed to be done at all costs is what got her in the end.
That is why she is the counterpart to Korra. She is her drive without any of the grounding.
I actually would have liked a bit more Kouvira at the end... a sort of sequence about Kouvira.. but I understand the ending isn't about Kouvira she is completely unimportant.
"Kouvira tried to kill me, I can't believe she did that"
That was HONESTLY where I disliked the character... Because REALLY MAN? In your mind she isn't taking over because of some petty revenge scheme.
This fight is bigger then you.
I think the Framing was sort of weak for it anyway. I mean really? A hostage was expected to work on Kouvira? and this was meant to show her character becoming irredeemable? Sorry but no...
The willingness to sacrifice those you care about for the greater good isn't a evil trait. If anything she should have always been willing to sacrifice him. Yeah it SUCKS for you, but it doesn't mean she betrayed your trust or your love. If anything you should have been offering your life to her through that radio "They captured me, but do whatever it takes for the earth kingdom". If anything he betrayed Kouvira.
Post by: Radio Controlled on January 06, 2015, 12:00:21 pm
Post by: Caz on January 06, 2015, 12:01:23 pm
I understand that is EXACTLY what happened. I mean if she never got corrupted her "invasion" would have been for the better. Kouvira though to me wasn't corrupted by power but corrupted by the compromises she had to make with herself to achieve her goals. It was her drive to achieve what needed to be done at all costs is what got her in the end.
That is why she is the counterpart to Korra. She is her drive without any of the grounding.
I actually would have liked a bit more Kouvira at the end... a sort of sequence about Kouvira.. but I understand the ending isn't about Kouvira she is completely unimportant.
"Kouvira tried to kill me, I can't believe she did that"
That was HONESTLY where I disliked the character... Because REALLY MAN? In your mind she isn't taking over because of some petty revenge scheme.
This fight is bigger then you.
I think the Framing was sort of weak for it anyway. I mean really? A hostage was expected to work on Kouvira? and this was meant to show her character becoming irredeemable? Sorry but no...
The willingness to sacrifice those you care about for the greater good isn't a evil trait. If anything she should have always been willing to sacrifice him. Yeah it SUCKS for you, but it doesn't mean she betrayed your trust or your love. If anything you should have been offering your life to her through that radio "They captured me, but do whatever it takes for the earth kingdom".
I agree with that, and don't think that Kuvira firing on Baatar was anything like the 'moral event horizon' that most people thought it was. They were at war. She probably made orders that lead to deaths every single day, and she had a chance to win it immediately by destroying the building that contained the Avatar. Why should she back down just because the soldier in the building is also her fiance? She would expect any of her officers to put their feelings to the side for their cause, so what was so different about her? She was single-minded in uniting the Earth Empire and really believed that it would be for the betterment of the world. After the chaos left by Zaheer, it's not hard to believe.
Edit: though in my head-canon she missed the shot because she couldn't bear to look while firing, so :P
Post by: Erkki on January 06, 2015, 12:06:05 pm
I haven't followed "Western" animations much(anime even less) and I dont know many really good ones besides South Park, but I've read cartoons. My favorites are Moebius (Jean Giraud) and Jean-Claude Mézičres - for Blueberry and Valerian.
Going to act all pedantic here, but Moebius is his name for his more... fantsy stuff, like the hermetic garage, or the Incal. We call him Giraud for Blueberry.
Ahh yeah, I just read his Arzak albums yesterday and didn't realize that hes indeed just "Jean Giraud" in Blueberries. :) His work is absolutely superb.
Post by: wobbly on January 06, 2015, 12:45:19 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on January 06, 2015, 01:12:33 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 01:22:37 pm
Because Invader Zim was incredibly popular with adults, Adventure Time is incredibly popular with adults.
But cartoons marketed towards adults are all just obscene comedies or obscene shows.
Ok I should clarify that I mean Cartoon TV shows... There are plenty of good movies that are clearly marketed more to adults then children.
Mind you, I don't like Invader Zim. It is a great show, it just isn't for me.
Post by: wobbly on January 06, 2015, 01:27:36 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on January 06, 2015, 01:32:08 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 01:35:45 pm
South Park is pretty good (though it is obscene comedy, like most adult cartoons). I can think of no cartoons aimed at adults that play out like live-action drama shows, though. Korra might be the closest there is, though it's not marketed as such (nor does it entirely play out like one).
Spawn is the only one that was ever made... and WOOSH was it dark.
Though yeah I'd love a non-comedy cartoon show targeted towards adults, but one that doesn't go anywhere close to as far as Spawn does.
But I meant more...
and while Invader Zim was dark... It wasn't obscene. It didn't need someone to explode in a lump of gore only for their gore to fall into someone's mouth and them to eat it...
for the joke to go across.
Post by: smeeprocket on January 06, 2015, 01:38:11 pm
Not exactly true. I mean it may be true of invader zim where it's funny but the jokes get repetitive (I watched the series as a marathon which exasperated it a bit) but something like the Max if you've seen or read it has a fair amount of depth & psychology to it.
Invader Zim was made by the guy that did Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, which is an awesome comic, though I am not sure if he still does that one in particular, I stopped being able to afford comics ages ago.
The guy who made the Max has done a number of comics, including one about like 5 women going to a party whose car dies and then they get attacked by masked men, and ultimately one of them gets tossed to the dudes to be gang raped so the others can get away. Why did I keep buying those (except the last one)? I don't know. But everything he makes has at least one female character that has been raped and then found inner strength. It seems more weird to me than pervy, like why?
I'm not trying to bring up rape or feminism really, I just enjoy comics and wanted to mention related comics.
We should have a comic book thread.
Post by: Neonivek on January 06, 2015, 01:42:37 pm
It is all about Framing
It is why Enoby Darkness Dementia Raven Tara Way from the Fanfiction is some unlikable bully with a total lack of self-awareness who is treated by the fanfiction as some incredibly desirable person in spite being abhorant. While The Web Series uses the exact same character down to almost every detail, but changes the framing and makes her more pathetic but sympathetically so her grating qualities are not played off as a positive and she can grow as a character because of it.
Both the exact same character in almost everyway (outside a few superficial details).
Post by: ggamer on February 19, 2015, 08:33:22 pm
The first couples seasons are disjointed adventures with very, very slight hints at an overarching plot. The bad guys are evil, and the good guys are good, but the ones inbetween are confusing and a bit scary.
The next couple are like a pre-teen learning about the world. Finn starts to become low-key curious about his origins, good guys seem a little more grey (or stupid), bad guys seem a bit more innocent (or stupid), and there's an actual evil introduced that is not at all played for laughs- very jarring, and makes Finn wise up real quick.
The last couple seasons are Finn becoming an adult: he sees his friends and his enemies for what they are, he faces the overwhelming evil of the Lich, and he discovers more about himself and the world around him. He experiences very real emotional and physical trauma, and spends the entire past season dealing with it in his own way. Finn's an adult now; he isn't quite as exuberant as he was as a child, but he's a good person at heart, and him and Jake do whatever they can to help whoever they can.
Basically adventure time went zero to a hundred real fuckin' quick, considering the past couple episodes.
Post by: Comrade P. on February 26, 2015, 01:03:59 pm
That looks like a one big Bioshock reference. With original bioshock atmosphere. In Adventure Time.
Post by: Neonivek on February 26, 2015, 03:35:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: I quoted instead of spoiled... Even though the episode is OLD!
Post by: ggamer on February 26, 2015, 03:53:56 pm
oh my god I literally just noticed that
Post by: Neonivek on February 26, 2015, 04:47:43 pm
But F can also been spelled ph
Post by: Sergius on February 26, 2015, 07:46:16 pm
So in the Lemonhope episodeSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: I quoted instead of spoiled... Even though the episode is OLD!
I did notice it, apparently is a somewhat known fan theory, and there are many other similarities.
It's either her, or maybe just "symbolically" represents her.
Post by: Neonivek on February 26, 2015, 08:36:30 pm
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Teen Titans Go SERIOUSLY likes to troll me.
Quite a few of its jokes are switching to other BETTER shows.
It did a small clip in BAS style, it had a section in Teen Titan style, and now the characters from Young Justice are just inserted right into the universe with BARELY an art style change and their original voice actors.
It is like the show KNOWS that I would prefer a really great super hero show right now... and just constantly taunts me with this fact.
But all I get right now is the bad Avengers show and the even worse Hulk and the agents of smash show...
Post by: Putnam on February 27, 2015, 03:43:35 am
Post by: Glowcat on March 05, 2015, 03:25:08 am
/me rolls around frothing at mouth due to fresh Korrasami injection
Post by: WillowLuman on March 05, 2015, 03:29:43 am
Post by: Neonivek on March 13, 2015, 04:02:54 pm
An actual homosexual relationship in a cartoon that is still going on that doesn't need a last second "ohh yeah they are totally gay" after it was over ruining several of the themes set up (such as the expectations of romance being detrimental to a relationship)... and with a character with strong homosexual themes where it is used to inform her character.
Shame it had to be in a show no one here watches...
Ohh Steven Universe...
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If you are interesting in the show... the quality of the episodes are VERY scatter shot. Some of the episodes are actually really good (Both season finales are amazing) but some are REALLY bad... and the show's average episode is very weird.
Also Lars is probably the one person who gets a lot of screen time compared that they do nothing but make him seem like a bad guy.
Post by: darkflagrance on March 14, 2015, 03:47:40 am
If anybody wants to get into this series, I would not recommend going chronologically as the earlier episodes emphasize Steven's annoying immaturity and are light on lore. I read a list of episode summaries and picked out the most interesting summaries to watch first. I could tentatively say that Steven and the Stevens is one of the better balanced non-season finale episodes.
To be honest, I'm surprised that no one here posted about either the Steven Universe finale OR the latest Gravity Falls episode from this week. Both sent massive tremors through their fanbases.
Post by: Glowcat on March 14, 2015, 08:14:42 am
And I was hella busy so couldn't comment on the major developments in Gravity Falls. That was pretty wow though.
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 14, 2015, 08:24:02 am
Post by: WillowLuman on March 14, 2015, 01:14:39 pm
Anyone else seen those streaming service original shows? My brother recently sat me down and had me watch The Awesomes and Bojack Horseman.
Post by: Sergius on March 15, 2015, 12:21:51 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 15, 2015, 01:21:31 pm
Post by: Neonivek on March 16, 2015, 07:28:10 pm
Since from what I see it has mild success relative to many of its other shows... yet right now it is getting the Ok for MANY seasons (I think we are up to 9 seasons... three times as many episodes as we have now).
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 16, 2015, 07:31:00 pm
Post by: Neonivek on March 16, 2015, 07:45:47 pm
Even if it was cancelled now they would still make those 6 extra seasons.
Post by: Furtuka on March 23, 2015, 12:52:51 am
Click on the nose (http://www.rainbowmonkeys.com/)
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 23, 2015, 07:32:20 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 23, 2015, 08:18:04 am
Post by: Furtuka on March 23, 2015, 10:25:15 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 23, 2015, 11:50:26 am
I typed in "Galactic" and it gave me a countdown. The numbers are in symbols I don't care to decipher, but I guess this is a sure thing if they're counting down to it already.Apparently, the countdown is set to end on April first. (2015)
Post by: tryrar on March 29, 2015, 12:21:41 am
I typed in "Galactic" and it gave me a countdown. The numbers are in symbols I don't care to decipher, but I guess this is a sure thing if they're counting down to it already.Apparently, the countdown is set to end on April first. (2015)
Which has some people suspicious and others convinced it's a double-fakeout. I'm in the latter camp myself; if this is an April Fools prank, is sure as hell is an elaborate one and I'll tip my hat to them if it is, but I'm convinced it's happening.
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 29, 2015, 12:36:08 am
Post by: Glowcat on March 29, 2015, 01:38:57 am
I've watched up to episode 33 of Steven Universe. I am thoroughly invested in this show now.
Yaaaaas. It's great :3
And far less problematic than most shows.
Post by: HeroPizza42 on March 29, 2015, 12:30:45 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 01, 2015, 05:34:05 pm
Post by: Neonivek on April 01, 2015, 06:03:21 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on May 09, 2015, 11:54:11 am
Post by: ggamer on May 09, 2015, 03:41:33 pm
It took a while but we finally have a great episode of Steven Universe I can now show people as the example of why this show is great.
Steven the Sword Fighter, Rose's Scabbard, Ocean Gem, Giant Woman, Lion 2 and 3, Rose's Room...
I fucking love that show
Post by: penguinofhonor on May 09, 2015, 06:17:40 pm
Post by: Neonivek on May 09, 2015, 06:18:48 pm
I think a full 25% of Steven Universe OCs are named Moonstone. I didn't know that was such a popular rock.
And one is Crystal Meth.
Which actually has a pretty funny comic :P
Post by: ggamer on May 15, 2015, 12:11:52 am
I have a feeling that Lapis is very apathetic towards Earth, that Jasper is such a blood knight as to be literally crazy, and that Peridot has been snubbed so many times that she takes joy in other people's suffering.
Basically, the types that wouldn't play nice with Steven (especially Peridot, who's actively tried to kill him)
Post by: WillowLuman on May 15, 2015, 12:30:10 am
Though at this point I may just be the only person on this thread who cares about any cartoon other than Steven Universe :P
Post by: ggamer on May 15, 2015, 12:38:37 am
More Rick and Morty in just one month! And new Venture Bros coming along soon!
Though at this point I may just be the only person on this thread who cares about any cartoon other than Steven Universe :P
Rick and Morty is my fucking joint, so is Adventure Time. I lost interest in Korra a while ago, and I can't really think of anything else. Any suggestions?
Post by: Radio Controlled on May 15, 2015, 12:40:23 am
Post by: WillowLuman on May 15, 2015, 12:42:44 am
Post by: Neonivek on May 15, 2015, 07:53:17 am
I feel like there are waaaay to many redemption fics out there for Jasper and Peridot (And even Lapis, really)
I have a feeling that Lapis is very apathetic towards Earth, that Jasper is such a blood knight as to be literally crazy, and that Peridot has been snubbed so many times that she takes joy in other people's suffering.
Basically, the types that wouldn't play nice with Steven (especially Peridot, who's actively tried to kill him)
Jasper I can sort of see in that there are strong hints that Jasper was a earth Gem (She shares a lot of similarities with Amethyst)
Peridot though comes off as someone who doesn't see the value of Earth life. I can definitely see where her redemption could be justified. Especially since she doesn't seem to be well valued in gem society.
Post by: penguinofhonor on May 15, 2015, 08:03:05 am
Post by: Karlito on May 15, 2015, 03:15:30 pm
Post by: Furtuka on June 09, 2015, 09:23:08 am
Post by: Zangi on June 09, 2015, 09:52:30 am
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/09/cartoon-network-unveils-first-look-at-new-powerpuff-girls-seriesI was half expecting that to be the animu PPG introduced to the west.
Post by: Furtuka on June 09, 2015, 09:54:43 am
Oh hey, they're making a new Reboot show. I remember the old one, it was pretty cool, I hope that the new one-QuoteTranscending age groups with appeal to kids, tweens and teens, ReBoot: the Guardian Code is an adventure-comedy series about four teens (Austin, Parker, Grey and Tamra) who discover that they’re next-gen Guardians with a mission to save the world, by defending it in cyberspace. The Internet revolutionized the world, but it also left it vulnerable to attack. With the help of VERA, the last surviving cyberbeing from the original Guardian Program, our heroes stream into cyberspace where they use their awesome code-based powers to battle viruses that have been unleashed by a ruthless hacker. Known only as the Sourcerer, he seeks to rule the world by controlling cyberspace. Original fans of the show will be happy to hear that Megabyte will be back and he’s getting a major upgrade. ReBoot will showcase leading edge technologies and bring coding into the mainstream for kids.
When Austin, Parker, Grey and Tamra are not trying to stop viruses from overloading a nuclear power station, or remotely opening a dam to flood a city, or playing Criss Cross Crash Hour with a city’s transportation grid, our heroes are being typical teens: arguing with their parents over curfews; dealing with crushes; or trying to avoid getting suspended for skipping class when they’re really on a cyber-mission to save the world!
WHYYYYYYYYYY
Crossposting from the WTF thread.
Post by: Bohandas on June 24, 2015, 10:43:51 pm
The Adult Swim network announced that this was going to be the last season of the show, but they've done that at least once before (several years ago) and have done several fake series finales. (Plus the last four seasons or so have been packaged as fake spinoffs that were really exactly the same show just with a different title sequence.)
Taking all bets.
Post by: Putnam on June 24, 2015, 10:45:14 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 24, 2015, 11:00:21 pm
Luckly Steven Universe scratches that itch Adventure time left behind.
I find it odd how used to the 10 minute format I am. It isn't that the 23 minute format is flawed... but that the 10 minute format pretty much leaves episodes with being nothing but the highlights... as opposed to 23 minutes with 13 minutes of wasted time.
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So I am watching a show called "Axe Cop" which is basically a show made "Like a child made it" and though I only seen two episodes and it isn't all super funny...
I just kind of love the novelty
The first episode they are against "The King of all bad guys"
Ooook... the show was made by a 5 year old O_O
Post by: ggamer on June 28, 2015, 12:12:58 am
Post by: Bohandas on June 28, 2015, 01:15:15 am
So I am watching a show called "Axe Cop" which is basically a show made "Like a child made it" and though I only seen two episodes and it isn't all super funny...
I just kind of love the novelty
The first episode they are against "The King of all bad guys"
Ooook... the show was made by a 5 year old O_O
The webcomic is funnier I think
Post by: WillowLuman on June 28, 2015, 02:08:47 am
Yes, the webcomic if funnier. But I still laughed at the show.
So I am watching a show called "Axe Cop" which is basically a show made "Like a child made it" and though I only seen two episodes and it isn't all super funny...
I just kind of love the novelty
The first episode they are against "The King of all bad guys"
Ooook... the show was made by a 5 year old O_O
The webcomic is funnier I think
Post by: Worldmaster27 on July 02, 2015, 05:53:04 pm
Post by: Putnam on July 06, 2015, 04:44:37 pm
what the hell
It's not like I'm insecure about crying at shows or like I'm macho and don't cry or anything stupid like that, it's just that in living memory I have never cried at fiction. This is the first time it's happened.
...i think that's some good praise right there
Like, holy crap, just trying to think about why it made me cry is making me cry again
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 06, 2015, 04:50:55 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 06, 2015, 07:29:37 pm
Steven Universe makes me cry a lot.
And it does it without being constantly dour and depressing.
Post by: Zangi on July 10, 2015, 06:43:25 pm
EDIT: There were only 2 new episodes since last year. Season 2, episode 10 and 11. There is an episode 12 coming out later this month.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gravity_Falls_episodes
Post by: quinnr on July 15, 2015, 01:20:04 am
Steven Universe makes me cry a lot.
Yeah, Steven Universe has been giving me so many emotions lately. Especially in the latest episode...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The schedule is weird though...but I guess the whole Stevenbomb thing kinda fits the uniqueness of the show, anyways.
Post by: Neonivek on July 15, 2015, 04:03:39 pm
I weep that fusions tend to be one episode things. (we have yet to see a fusion have more then a voiceless cameo in an episode)
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 15, 2015, 04:05:12 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 15, 2015, 04:16:48 pm
She's awesome. Also, this week has been dubbed The Week of Sardonyx. Hopefully that means she'll come back at least once.
You know... I kind of liked Sugalite, she had a lot of attitude.
But sorry there is no contest Sardonyx is flat out my favorite Fusion in terms of just being a joy to be around.
Post by: ggamer on July 15, 2015, 04:53:53 pm
Sugilite is fucking badass I really want them to bring Nicki Minaj back for more but instead all we're probably gonna get is more voiceless cameos
I also like that there's a lot of unique drama that comes from fusion, mainly that
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Post by: Neonivek on July 15, 2015, 05:15:54 pm
It could be equated to sex...
Post by: Putnam on July 15, 2015, 06:25:41 pm
it is "a relationship", any kind, or at least says one of the writers
Post by: Cthulufaic on July 15, 2015, 07:06:40 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 15, 2015, 11:01:51 pm
I think the whole dancing/making out or whatever they need to do to fuse was just to create drama. I mean NOBODY would be so excited about it if all they needed to fuse was to do a hand-shake or a fist-bump.
Well the dancing is done to put them into synch.
It is not
it is "a relationship", any kind, or at least says one of the writers
I mean in terms of the reason why it is a big deal. :P the metaphor is there, albeit unintentional.
Post by: Cthulufaic on July 16, 2015, 01:06:20 pm
That'd make more sense if the actual dancing wasn't just each of them doing their own thing, and then they do one move together then BOOM, fusion. I mean, if they did a 2 person routine I'd believe it more.I think the whole dancing/making out or whatever they need to do to fuse was just to create drama. I mean NOBODY would be so excited about it if all they needed to fuse was to do a hand-shake or a fist-bump.
Well the dancing is done to put them into synch.
Post by: Neonivek on July 16, 2015, 01:43:05 pm
That'd make more sense if the actual dancing wasn't just each of them doing their own thing, and then they do one move together then BOOM, fusion. I mean, if they did a 2 person routine I'd believe it more.I think the whole dancing/making out or whatever they need to do to fuse was just to create drama. I mean NOBODY would be so excited about it if all they needed to fuse was to do a hand-shake or a fist-bump.
Well the dancing is done to put them into synch.
It isn't so much them doing their own thing as they are trying to mix two vastly different forms of dancing. Though you will notice that the fusion dances are the same each time.
Post by: Bohandas on July 26, 2015, 08:40:36 pm
EDIT:
Nevermind, I found it (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxtKqi4ci4G-QkdLMlk5bkp0Qm8/view)
Post by: JimboM12 on July 27, 2015, 10:28:21 am
For instance, where the hell's the government? We know there's a nation outside of Beach City and we know the videos about the Gem Homeworld ship have gone viral, it stands to reason there would be a investigation. Perhaps Mayor Dewey tried to cover it up and hence no major investigations, but I would think something would happen in response to a known extraterrestrial sighting.
This is where I go into "What I'd like to see" mode and start coming up with a story I know will never happen. Minor fanfic incoming:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If this is against the rules of this thread I will cut this story here. Needless to say, I love the series so far. Estelle as Garnet was really just genius to me.
Post by: Neonivek on July 27, 2015, 02:01:01 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 27, 2015, 03:01:05 pm
They have states with alternate names (Keystone) and dollars with different cryptic symbols. There's some sort of federal government behind that; I'm assuming an alternate USA with another name.
Gem stuff is definitely known outside Beach City. There are gem buildings and constructs all over the planet, abandoned gem technology (the kindergarten(s?) and the old gem ships). Not to mention how thousands of years ago gems invaded the planet, started to suck the life out of it, and humans joined up with some rebel gems to fight them off. There's no way that's all been forgotten, but it might be mundane historical stuff by now.
It's definitely notable that US currency has a gem on it. Garnet, Amethyst, Pearl, and Rose Quartz were around when the US was founded, so there's a chance they were involved in the early government. I doubt they cared too much about human affairs back then - my theory is they just interfered enough to ensure the humans stayed away from them.
Post by: Neonivek on July 27, 2015, 03:13:34 pm
You actually kind of see it in the historical play where they just constantly tell him to leave and turn back, but consistently help him whenever he is in danger and eventually bow to his bravery and promise to help out.
Though I will admit... sometimes it is hard to like the Gems when they go full on ass mode towards humans.
Like when Pearl pretty much caused a power outage that could have lasted forever and wouldn't help.
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 27, 2015, 03:43:56 pm
After "We Need to Talk" Rose started thinking of humans more as equals, and that attitude spread to the other three gems. Pearl resisted the idea, probably because she resented Greg, and is only starting to embrace it now because of Steven. I do agree this plays out annoyingly at times.
Post by: JimboM12 on July 27, 2015, 03:50:04 pm
They definitely care about protecting humans. That was central to the rebellion. My theory is gems mainly thought of humans kind of like we think of animals: carefree and needing protection. This is shown in "What Can I Do for You" when Rose sings "I like the way / Human beings play / I like playing along".
After "We Need to Talk" Rose started thinking of humans more as equals, and that attitude spread to the other three gems. Pearl resisted the idea, probably because she resented Greg, and is only starting to embrace it now because of Steven. I do agree this plays out annoyingly at times.
Yeah they do care. Pearl still shows some....condescension towards us humans, but she's coming along.
Post by: Neonivek on July 27, 2015, 04:31:27 pm
1) Gems don't really get human beings... Humans place a lot of importance on things that Gems probably wouldn't or are a lot less self-sufficient then they are.
and
2) Humans live such short lives compared to them that basically getting involved with a human is pretty much a tragedy.
Post by: Putnam on July 27, 2015, 08:08:43 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 28, 2015, 12:34:46 am
It's not like gem activity is new, either. They've been doing these kinds of things for thousands of years, so you probably shouldn't expect some gigantic reaction.
Yeah, technically gems have been around since the beginning of history. Gems are thoroughly mundane.
Post by: Furtuka on July 31, 2015, 03:15:56 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 31, 2015, 03:57:10 pm
Basically they go that "adventure time, Steven universe, and regular show are good... and everything that came before it wasn't as good". I'd like to state that while Steven Universe is an excellent show... something like Jem and the Holograms and Batman the Animated Series are completely different shows. Better doesn't mean better in everyway. If there is one thing that is currently desperately missing in the current line up of cartoons it is high quality serious cartoons. Steven Universe doesn't replace a good serious show, it doesn't replace a comedy show, nor does it replace a full length or hour length show.
I keep hearing this complaint that "Old shows existed to sell toys, therefore they suck" when frankly... a lot of the time they were pretty good. Jem and the Holograms for example was made to sell toys and was mildly popular... and when it went off the air it was because the toys didn't sell (because they were PURE garbage... no really) and not because the show was unpopular. As well as much as you want to say it was low standards that sold "buy our toys" shows. It is more because these shows managed to tap into certain ideas and themes that even shows today do not do. The original transformers actually got across a war and managed to make the storylines seem huge (something completely lost on modern transformers). All in all is what I am saying is that. In the future people next time there is a line up of great shows. Don't suddenly besmirch the old ones. Even "I" think the 90s was the golden age of children's cartoons and that the 80s wasn't AS good, but even I won't DARE take credit away from the shows that came out at the time.
Post by: WillowLuman on July 31, 2015, 11:51:30 pm
TBH, I don't like the messy style of animation that was the big thing in the 90s for the non-serious shows. But that wasn't the only thing going on.
Post by: Bohandas on August 01, 2015, 12:05:58 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 01, 2015, 12:11:18 am
Why does everyone love "Stephen Universe" so much? It's an ok show, but it's hardly great or groundbreaking.
A funny, somewhat entertaining show, with feminine overtones with a bunch of strong characters, good music, retro design, great songs (for a TV show), and a great story.
Certainly enough there to like.
Post by: Putnam on August 01, 2015, 12:14:35 am
On the other hand, it's got that kind of infuriating Secret Depth thing that's become really popular lately that basically requires you to watch about half of a series before you can really get to like it.
Like, SU really doesn't pick up too much until about the end of season 1 and a lot of the great episodes are in season 2. Seasons 1 is 52 episodes long (~10-minute episodes, but still).
It is the only work of fiction that I am willing to recommend to literally everyone, though, so I'd say it's pretty good.
Like, uh, I've got a couple two-hour (11 episode) watch regiments that try to avoid "filler" (which the show has none of, but you actually have to be somewhat invested to appreciate the fluff), keep early in the series (all but Lion 3 are in the first 26 episodes; Lion 3 is exceptional enough that I think it's worth it. It's been nominated for an emmy) and focus on some of the better stuff, one for people who like more personal things and one for people who like action more.
Spoiler: Relationship-focused starter pack (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Action focused starter pack (click to show/hide)
Course, I didn't put too much effort into that. Not just that, but ending the second one with the half-season two-parter might not be the best. The first one is what I would probably watch through again.
Post by: Neonivek on August 01, 2015, 12:17:12 am
Unlike say Adventure time where the exact opposite happened.
Mind you this is because Steven Universe's secret depth felt to me as a way to sort of slowly reveal things and develop them at a reasonable pace.
While Adventure time's secret depths were there as a backdrop but were otherwise completely unimportant.
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I guess why it works in Steven Universe and not Adventure time is more simple then that.
In Steven Universe you want to know more and that information is important to the characters and setting. So in the end revealing it was to the benefit of the show.
While Adventure Time's Hidden Depth started off as more of a Bonus, that if you wanted to look further and really analyze each episode you really could. So revealing it just means they are pissing time away.
Post by: Bohandas on August 01, 2015, 12:28:54 am
Why does everyone love "Stephen Universe" so much? It's an ok show, but it's hardly great or groundbreaking.
A funny, somewhat entertaining show, with feminine overtones with a bunch of strong characters, good music, retro design, great songs (for a TV show), and a great story.
Certainly enough there to like.
It's not bad. It's not even not good. But it certainly isn't great. It's nowhere near the level of Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, My Little Pony, or (on a different note) Aqua Teen Hunger Force Forever
Post by: Neonivek on August 01, 2015, 12:34:31 am
As for great... to each their own. I think the characters are pretty deep and they properly explore the relationships and concepts.
I mean Legend of Korra was "not as good as Avatar the Last Airbender" and it still was considered great. Heck it had one entire botched season that was just flat out bad.
Post by: Putnam on August 01, 2015, 02:29:42 am
Why does everyone love "Stephen Universe" so much? It's an ok show, but it's hardly great or groundbreaking.
A funny, somewhat entertaining show, with feminine overtones with a bunch of strong characters, good music, retro design, great songs (for a TV show), and a great story.
Certainly enough there to like.
It's not bad. It's not even not good. But it certainly isn't great. It's nowhere near the level of Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, My Little Pony, or (on a different note) Aqua Teen Hunger Force Forever
okay can you actually elaborate instead of just saying what you think its quality is
i can't even begin to debate with an argument that is essentially "i don't think it's as good as these other things for reasons not given"
and that's not me yelling at anyone, that's me saying that I can't reasonably be expected to yell at anyone who hasn't really said anything that I can yell at in any coherent manner
Post by: Neonivek on August 01, 2015, 02:33:28 am
It is one thing to say why a show is great, why it is mediocre, or why it is terrible.
It is another to try to explain why a show is good, but not that good without just saying "it is overrated"
Post by: Bohandas on August 01, 2015, 09:39:59 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 01, 2015, 09:41:58 am
He paranormal stuff just doesn't seem as compelling as the paranormal stuff in Gravity Falls and the fate of the world stuff doesn't seem as compelling as the fate of the world stuff in Adventure Time
Steven Universe had basically one actual paranormal episode.
Post by: Bohandas on August 01, 2015, 09:53:32 am
He paranormal stuff just doesn't seem as compelling as the paranormal stuff in Gravity Falls and the fate of the world stuff doesn't seem as compelling as the fate of the world stuff in Adventure Time
Steven Universe had basically one actual paranormal episode.
It has all paranormal episodes. The main characters are space aliens with a bizarre unearthly physiology.
Post by: Neonivek on August 01, 2015, 09:56:21 am
He paranormal stuff just doesn't seem as compelling as the paranormal stuff in Gravity Falls and the fate of the world stuff doesn't seem as compelling as the fate of the world stuff in Adventure Time
Steven Universe had basically one actual paranormal episode.
It has all paranormal episodes. The main characters are space aliens with a bizarre unearthly physiology.
I guess, in the same way that every episode of Superman is a paranormal episode.
And every episode of Pokémon is a paranormal episode.
Post by: Bohandas on August 01, 2015, 10:18:46 am
He paranormal stuff just doesn't seem as compelling as the paranormal stuff in Gravity Falls and the fate of the world stuff doesn't seem as compelling as the fate of the world stuff in Adventure Time
Steven Universe had basically one actual paranormal episode.
It has all paranormal episodes. The main characters are space aliens with a bizarre unearthly physiology.
I guess, in the same way that every episode of Superman is a paranormal episode.
Well, the way they would be if they explored the fiddly details of his superpowers, and Kryptonian culture, and the weird stuff he has stashed away in the Fortress of Solitude.
Edit:
Or better yet, more like the way every episode of Doctor Who is a paranormal episode.
Post by: Sergius on August 01, 2015, 06:43:42 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 02, 2015, 02:27:48 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 02, 2015, 02:57:36 am
Also, that sort of ignores the best part IMO, the slice-of-life stuff.
Yeah but!... err wait... yeah Steven Universe does have the best slice of life.
I mean (and I am being sarcastic here) Gravity Falls doesn't have great slice of life at all. I mean it does feature people living their lives, so it is clearly slice of life.
Also Gems don't really have "Alien physiology" they are gemstones that are able to project a hologram, with mass, that apes a living being.
Post by: Furtuka on August 02, 2015, 11:38:59 am
Post by: Putnam on August 02, 2015, 01:42:43 pm
Also, that sort of ignores the best part IMO, the slice-of-life stuff.
Yeah but!... err wait... yeah Steven Universe does have the best slice of life.
I mean (and I am being sarcastic here) Gravity Falls doesn't have great slice of life at all. I mean it does feature people living their lives, so it is clearly slice of life.
...I can't parse this at all
Post by: Bohandas on August 02, 2015, 01:52:42 pm
Also, that sort of ignores the best part IMO, the slice-of-life stuff.
Yeah but!... err wait... yeah Steven Universe does have the best slice of life.
I mean (and I am being sarcastic here) Gravity Falls doesn't have great slice of life at all. I mean it does feature people living their lives, so it is clearly slice of life.
Also Gems don't really have "Alien physiology" they are gemstones that are able to project a hologram, with mass, that apes a living being.
Well that's way the hell more bizarre and alien than Superman
Post by: WillowLuman on August 02, 2015, 02:01:32 pm
Archer
Adventure Time
Steven Universe
Gumball (somewhat of a guilty pleasure)
Phineas and Ferb
Not sure if Bojack Horseman counts as on the air but that one's surprisingly good too.
Post by: Neonivek on August 02, 2015, 02:54:11 pm
apparently there's a Ben 10 reboot in the works (http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/06/08/ben-10-reboot-coming-to-cartoon-network)
With each iteration they go further and further from what I actually liked about the first one. Either diving too far into seriousness, too far into comedy, or they forget to actually give the alien forms a point other then "strong!"
Post by: Bohandas on August 02, 2015, 10:49:01 pm
Favorite animated shows on the air right now, in no particular order:
Archer
Adventure Time
Steven Universe
Gumball (somewhat of a guilty pleasure)
Phineas and Ferb
Not sure if Bojack Horseman counts as on the air but that one's surprisingly good too.
What about Aqua Teen Hunger Force (Forever)?
Post by: WillowLuman on August 02, 2015, 11:32:40 pm
Has anyone else seen Bojack Horseman?
Post by: Neonivek on August 06, 2015, 05:19:31 pm
According to Gravity Falls
If you enjoy LARPing it is because you are a pathetic wannabe loser and should stop.
-_-
That honestly killed the entire episode for me
Post by: Comrade P. on August 06, 2015, 05:29:26 pm
Riley's emotions are 3 females and 2 males. While everyone else's emotions have the same sex, same as subject. Wat.
Post by: Neonivek on August 06, 2015, 05:46:57 pm
Since Riley doesn't yet have a strong gender identity.
Post by: Comrade P. on August 06, 2015, 05:51:15 pm
It is probably a puberty thing.
Since Riley doesn't yet have a strong gender identity.
Huh. In the context of the movie, this makes a lot of sense.
Post by: Furtuka on August 06, 2015, 06:54:13 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 08, 2015, 12:45:50 am
So they remade Alvin and the Chipmonks in 3d and on the one hand I am vastly impressed because the voices, character, and plot are fully in tact. It feels like it could have been an episode of the show.
Yet SOMEHOW it just wasn't so entertaining as even a bad episode of the cartoon. I mean MAYBE it is the pacing, perhaps the plot advances a bit slowly, but to me I think it is the animation. The 3d is too slow, less expressive, and the characters look extremely stiff and often lifeless. I don't get across any of the character's personalities in their faces.
I honestly want to watch every episode of the 3d one because honestly name ONE remake of a show that felt like it was the exact same show?
Post by: WillowLuman on August 09, 2015, 11:51:36 pm
IIRC The movies producers said it wasn't intended to mean anything. But on the other hand Death of the Author and all that. It's a neat interpretation.Yeah. I hope I get an excuse to do essays on Pixar films one day.
Post by: BigD145 on August 10, 2015, 10:18:18 am
Has anyone else seen Bojack Horseman?
Just getting into Season 2 after watching 1 and liking it a lot. It's a great look at depression.
Post by: Bohandas on August 10, 2015, 10:44:24 pm
IIRC The movies producers said it wasn't intended to mean anything. But on the other hand Death of the Author and all that. It's a neat interpretation.
Isn't "death of the author" a fancy way of saying "unsupported bullshit" or "literary analytical wankerism"
Post by: i2amroy on August 11, 2015, 06:11:08 am
Isn't "death of the author" a fancy way of saying "unsupported bullshit" or "literary analytical wankerism"Not really, it's actually an interesting point of discussion. For example take the poem "The Road Not Taken" (http://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/road-not-taken) by Robert Frost. Ask just about anyone to interpret it nowadays, and you get all sorts of interpretations about how it's all about how you should take the road not traveled and see sights and whatnot. Unknown to them, when Frost wrote the poem he stated that he was actually writing it in a fairly ironic sense, and his whole point of the poem was that really in the long run it made absolutely no difference whether he took the road less or more traveled, so deciding based on the fact that one is less traveled is a very silly idea.
Now death of the author asks if it really matters if he wrote it in an ironic sense at all, and therefore everyone who thinks differently is "wrong", or if the really important thing is what we interpret the poem as now, regardless of what he wrote it with the intention of conveying. It's quite an interesting idea, and both sides have some pretty good points IMO. :P
Post by: MrWiggles on August 27, 2015, 01:33:34 am
So the Crystal Gems aren't fighting to protect earth because human life is special or precious. They're defending the Earth on a more general ethical grounds. That the Gems don't have the right to kill sapient life to further their own kind. Though it is kinda curious that the Gems take almost no interest in the life they're protecting. They're very ignorant about Humans.
Post by: Putnam on August 27, 2015, 02:34:04 am
Steven Universe
So the Crystal Gems aren't fighting to protect earth because human life is special or precious. They're defending the Earth on a more general ethical grounds. That the Gems don't have the right to kill sapient life to further their own kind. Though it is kinda curious that the Gems take almost no interest in the life they're protecting. They're very ignorant about Humans.
Eh. Rose Quartz seemed to have some idea. The extended intro: "We were amazed to find/your beauty and your worth/We will protect your kind/and we will protect your Earth". Rose especially seemed to realize just how much worth human life had during her relationship with Greg.
Actually, this is sort of the theme of my pet theory. I think your point about the Gems is exactly why Rose decided to have Steven. She knew that a human boy with her gem abilities raised by someone like Greg could make a connection with humans that she never could by virtue of being an immortal gem alien. Steven, having actual human friends, would have a better reason to fight for Earth than any of the other Gems.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 27, 2015, 03:13:32 am
They had a fence. They had a barrier between themselves and what they were protecting.
Post by: Neonivek on August 27, 2015, 03:25:11 am
Steven Universe
So the Crystal Gems aren't fighting to protect earth because human life is special or precious. They're defending the Earth on a more general ethical grounds. That the Gems don't have the right to kill sapient life to further their own kind. Though it is kinda curious that the Gems take almost no interest in the life they're protecting. They're very ignorant about Humans.
The Gems are protecting all of earth which includes human beings, which they do consider special.
They just think of them as backwards and SUPER short lived and so they don't like to associate with them.
Post by: Zangi on August 27, 2015, 09:14:22 am
Though, I guess they could think of humans as pets that can take care of their own needs and can do their own things... Instead of as equals. It might be easier in the end if you plan on associating with them over the many centuries.
(I don't watch this show.)
Post by: MrWiggles on August 27, 2015, 04:20:31 pm
Post by: Solifuge on August 27, 2015, 10:16:39 pm
-beep-
Spoiler: -boop- (click to show/hide)
Text wall RE: Steven Universe. Not really sorry. You can read or just scroll your mousewheel past. Take your destiny into your own hands!
I'm a bit late to the discussion on Steven Universe's merits, but some stuff to add. Note, for what it's worth, it's probably one of my favorite shows on TV right now, animation or not. It represents a huge experiment, and a major departure from most everything being produced right now. The episodes are Adventure Time short, and being written on a monthly basis. Each of the core team-members are basically creative polymaths; they write songs, storyboard, write, design characters, etc., and all share the load of creating the show. It's not being rushed through to produce regular seasons either; they recently decided to skip a month since they're all on vacation, and didn't want to rush things and cost the show in quality. Where else do you see that decision being made, rather than churning out third-rate filler episodes to "maintain production"?
Story-wise, since when do you see a Male Lead, in what is essentially a Magical Girl Anime? And when do you see a hero, male or no, whose bravery isn't aimed at fighting and killing Big Evil Things, but at helping to heal damage both physical and emotional, and end cycles of violence or self-destruction? The sheer volume of genuinely sympathetic characters (antagonists or protagonists), is staggering. The schlubby burnout/absentee Dad is a hero too, but just has some practical things he's not very good at. The kind of slimy politician really does have the town's well-being at heart, even if he's self-aggrandizing and in love with his position of power. And so on. The spirit is very close to Hayao Miyazaki in that sense; the same tone from early works like Shuna no Tabi, Nausicaa, or Princess Mononoke, but somehow with even more sympathetic characters and empathy-as-heroism.
And yeah, Steven's most heroic trait is definitely his Empathy; his ability to see the perspective and worth of others (even monsters both literal and metaphorical), help them work together toward a goal they couldn't achieve individually, and to protect them all however he can. Unlike everyone else, his signature "weapon" is a shield, which is some pretty obvious symbolism. Also, in another rare move, the show recognizes that he's still literally a child, with all the physical strength and worldly experience that implies. He's got some supernatural powers to help, but he gets tuckered out pretty quickly when using them, compared with most of the people he's standing alongside or against. Also, though he's got a lot to learn, he's shown a lot of growth from episode to episode, another type of character development that's pretty uncommon in western cartoons.
He and the show recognize his limits as a child, and a (mostly) human being in a fantasy world dealing with #FantasyWorldProblems, yet he is a hero who does everything within his power to make things better. While his trio of superpowered Space-Moms are off fighting to defend against what might be another alien invasion, he organizes an evacuation of the town to keep people safe. When infighting and pettiness is breaking the group apart, he kicks off the tough discussions that start them on the process of finding a resolution, and healing. When someone is stealing the ocean to make a space elevator, he does his best to talk her down, and finds a solution that works for her (restores her the ability to fly to space) and for the people of Earth (get their ocean back). And the same goes for most all of the other characters and challenges he encounters.
As books, films, and a lot of non-western animation have been demonstrating for decades, it's entirely possible for media to be entertaining, while also giving the audience something of value to take away from it. Ignoring all the great music, animation, storytelling, and other reasons I love the show for a second; with the exception of some protective Gem powers Steven is pretty much an average kid, with only his compassion, voice, and courage as his weapons. I'm really glad that the audience is getting such an empowering and relatable icon when it comes to being an everyday hero, and making a positive difference in the world, whether they're a child or not.
TL;DR: I really appreciate how Steven Universe gives us a bit of a lens into our own world and lives, and empowers regular people to fight the good fight, see both sides in a conflict, stand for what's really important, find the courage to tackle big problems head-on, and if we feel powerless against them individually to help find the people who will stand with us and fight it together. As much as I love dadaist or "adult" humor in cartoons, it's about damned time animation in the US started taking on some of the other kinds of mature themes that are out there. Funny that it's alleged Kid's Shows like Steven Universe being the first pioneers to do that.
Post by: Bohandas on August 31, 2015, 06:38:22 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 31, 2015, 07:42:55 pm
i really doubt it
the VERY LAST EPISODE showed last week, then yesterday they showed another one that ended with a non-joke about how the series isn't ending with a joke, and
it's probably going to take a break for a few months then start again
Post by: Sergius on August 31, 2015, 09:36:58 pm
Specially Twinkle the Marvel Horse rantings.
Post by: Bohandas on September 01, 2015, 10:22:06 am
I miss Dave the Barbarian.
Specially Twinkle the Marvel Horse rantings.
Yeah, that was a great show.
Post by: Neonivek on September 02, 2015, 11:29:28 pm
Some shows just work as 10 minute episodes and some are great as 30 minute. Though I never have the patience for 1 hour episode cartoons unfortunately.
I am kind of happy actually. It tells me that 10 minute shows aren't inherently better just because the current breed of them are particularly good (Steven universe has more stuff going on in 10 minutes that often happens in 10 episodes of other shows).
Post by: Comrade P. on November 15, 2015, 01:55:32 pm
So, yeah. I just had to state that this show is good publicly somewhere, but yelling it out in the middle of the street in Moscow seemed like a really bad idea. I feel better, carry on now.
Post by: Furtuka on December 02, 2015, 12:18:43 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on December 02, 2015, 12:20:20 pm
TOONAMI JUST ANNOUNCED A NEW SEASON OF SAMURAI JACK IS COMING 2016
OOOOOH! THAT'S GREAT!
Also, link please.
Post by: Furtuka on December 02, 2015, 12:26:28 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on December 02, 2015, 12:57:41 pm
They announced it on their official tumblr! (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/134405148218/adult-swim-is-excited-to-announce-that-jack-is)
Groovy.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 04, 2016, 06:17:44 am
/me twitches nervously and flips the 5 minutes sandglass over
Just 140 more turns...
Post by: quinnr on January 06, 2016, 10:35:46 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 06, 2016, 11:37:21 pm
Post by: quinnr on January 06, 2016, 11:42:05 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on January 07, 2016, 02:19:04 am
Post by: Comrade P. on January 07, 2016, 07:36:50 pm
s02e28: OOOOOH SNAP! Go Peridot.
Post by: Neonivek on January 07, 2016, 07:38:28 pm
This episode even gets better after rewatching it.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 07, 2016, 07:42:43 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 07, 2016, 07:51:18 pm
Post by: quinnr on January 07, 2016, 07:52:43 pm
@Steven Universe
s02e28: OOOOOH SNAP! Go Peridot.
Spoiler: Steven Episode 76 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Putnam on January 07, 2016, 08:01:27 pm
Spoiler: Steven (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on January 07, 2016, 08:02:08 pm
Spoiler: Steven (click to show/hide)
You're a saint.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 07, 2016, 08:04:16 pm
Spoiler: Re: quinnr/ep.76 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Comrade P. on January 07, 2016, 08:47:21 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 07, 2016, 08:48:39 pm
Spoiler: Steven (click to show/hide)
You're a saint.
for finding the screenshot on reddit or wherever i got it or for waiting a week instead of spoiling everyone immediately
Post by: Neonivek on January 07, 2016, 08:52:18 pm
Spoiler: Steven (click to show/hide)
You're a saint.
for finding the screenshot on reddit or wherever i got it or for waiting a week instead of spoiling everyone immediately
The second one :P
Post by: quinnr on January 07, 2016, 08:59:44 pm
Spoiler: Re: quinnr/ep.76 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Comrade P. on January 07, 2016, 09:11:45 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Criptfeind on January 07, 2016, 09:12:25 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sonlirain on January 07, 2016, 09:29:11 pm
Apparently someone is making an animated show about starfox of all things. Frame by frame animation 70's stylized.
Make of it what you want. (Might have been mentioned earlier but i'm not digging through the entire thread)
Post by: Putnam on January 07, 2016, 09:33:25 pm
Post by: ShinQuickMan on January 07, 2016, 10:39:24 pm
Spoiler: Steven (click to show/hide)
I know I've seen something like that before... Ah, here we go:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: SU (click to show/hide)
Post by: Comrade P. on January 08, 2016, 03:45:26 am
Earlier, I asked how on Earth (hehe, Gem War pun) could Rose resist an army of Gem invaders.
Well, she had a power to control and (to some extent) create biological life.
Cue sod soldiers. Like watermelon Stevens, but more military-fit, I guess.
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 08, 2016, 08:47:50 am
Post by: quinnr on January 08, 2016, 08:31:18 pm
Spoiler: Stephen Universe "Log 5 xx x" (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on January 09, 2016, 01:10:20 am
Which is why I was easily able to forgive her. Unlike say Jasper
Post by: Comrade P. on January 09, 2016, 03:55:39 am
Spoiler: Stephen Universe "Log 5 xx x" (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on January 09, 2016, 03:57:27 am
Spoiler: Stephen Universe "Log 5 xx x" (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sex Metaphor Sex Metaphor :P
Post by: Comrade P. on January 09, 2016, 04:06:09 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on January 09, 2016, 04:10:44 am
All you wanna be is the guy who gets to see a giant woman
wouldn't it be great, you just can't wait, to see the person they are together.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 09, 2016, 04:37:11 am
All you want to do, is see her turn into, a giant woman (A giant woman)
All you wanna be is the guy who gets to see a giant woman
wouldn't it be great, you just can't wait, to see the person they are together.
Exactly, all that jazz.
Post by: Radio Controlled on January 09, 2016, 10:33:09 am
One thing I recently wondered about though: at the beginning of the series, they often had to chase and capture gem shards, right? Where have they all gone? Like, did they all just decide to not bother our protagonists while they are doing other stuff? Or did I just forget why this is (very probable, it's been a while since I saw the older episodes)?
Post by: Comrade P. on January 09, 2016, 10:40:42 am
They added to the problem when a whole lot of prototype gem shard fusions were released. They're pretty much still roaming the wild with humans occasionally bumping into them (see Nightmare Hospital where one of those got run over by a car in a random encounter).
This conflict is set and ready to fire any moment, actually.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 09, 2016, 08:54:54 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on March 03, 2016, 04:57:51 pm
So I found this footage of upcoming SU episode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7q1JCRgHlk)
Post by: Levi on March 03, 2016, 05:02:11 pm
So I found this footage of upcoming SU episode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7q1JCRgHlk)
BUT WHEN!
WHEN!!!! :P
I'm looking forward to the day AI gets good enough to write & produce TV episodes itself, so that I never have to wait.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 03, 2016, 05:26:44 pm
It's-a me, Comradio, posting third time in a row.The hype O_O
So I found this footage of upcoming SU episode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7q1JCRgHlk)
Post by: Radio Controlled on March 03, 2016, 05:29:20 pm
It's-a me, Comradio, posting third time in a row.
So I found this footage of upcoming SU episode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7q1JCRgHlk)
Thanks fellow radio!
Post by: Putnam on March 03, 2016, 05:38:55 pm
(not personally mad, since I'd already sought it out and watched it on my own accord, but holy shit make it more clear that those are extremely intense spoilers)
Post by: Comrade P. on March 03, 2016, 11:51:35 pm
Post by: Putnam on March 04, 2016, 12:58:05 am
It's like saying "hey here's a preview for the star wars sequel" a few weeks before Empire Strikes Back comes out and it being much of the battle between Luke and Vader, including the "I am your father" line. And then when someone complains, you're just like "no vader was shown in the first movie remember"
Actually, using Jailbreak as an example, it's like if the preview was Ruby and Sapphire fusing into Garnet and then half of Stronger Than You. It's fucking huge spoilers.
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 04, 2016, 05:26:50 am
Post by: Comrade P. on March 04, 2016, 05:23:01 pm
Post by: Furtuka on March 10, 2016, 11:14:43 am
Post by: Neonivek on April 14, 2016, 07:59:40 pm
But I've been watching Life with Louie and though I only seen a few episodes... I am astonished how watchable it is.
Post by: Comrade P. on April 15, 2016, 12:32:28 am
By the way More Steven universe episodes in June
Well at least that "Summer of Steven" sounds promising quantity-wise - I expect there will be much more than just five episodes, like in the last Stevenbomb
And then there is seventh season of Archer that premiered while I wasn't looking - the first two episodes are all right and very... Archer-y.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 15, 2016, 04:45:59 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on April 15, 2016, 05:21:13 pm
New Archer? :o
Same ol' Sterling Mallory Archer, in his seventh installation
Post by: Andres on April 17, 2016, 06:14:15 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on May 12, 2016, 05:15:39 pm
(new Steven Universe episode in two hours)
Post by: Neonivek on May 28, 2016, 03:46:13 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The other issue that I'll bring up is that the show COMPLETELY dropped the tension with homeworld... and somehow is treating them like they are no longer a big deal (kind of). They could have put it into the background without making it seem gone... Show Pearl making more cannons or something in an episode as a second thing. Done!
Otherwise it is still a good show. Minor gripes in what is otherwise excellent.
Post by: MrWiggles on June 13, 2016, 02:08:22 am
Post by: Comrade P. on June 15, 2016, 08:12:30 am
Post by: Neonivek on June 15, 2016, 10:08:36 am
You people watching that new Voltron series Netflix apparently launched some five days ago? I just stumbled into it and I'm lovin' it!
I am trying to watch the second episode.
I wasn't a fan of the first episode (though really good animation) mostly because non-sense, demotions, and hilariously bad hero speeches.
Post by: Comrade P. on June 15, 2016, 10:43:02 am
It's not thoroughly good, but it certainly has its moments, and I love those.
Post by: Neonivek on July 19, 2016, 07:09:06 pm
Steven Nuke...
In Mr. Greg... Pearl actually sings a song that might be the best song in the entire series.
Yes... She might have actually beat "Stronger then You"
The episode might have been a BIT weak overall... But dang that song!
I get the impression the reason the writers give Pearl the most songs is because as a singer she is by FAR the most flexible.
Post by: Folly on July 22, 2016, 01:19:44 pm
I just finished the first episode. It was awesome. Going to be a great season.
Post by: Neonivek on July 24, 2016, 12:13:09 pm
Post by: Reelya on July 24, 2016, 01:19:19 pm
For the last 10 years they've been trying to work out how you make a movie of a TV show when you don't actually have the rights to most of anything that was in the show ... Shoji Kawamori (the original mecha designer and director of the franchise) has actually said he wants to help out with the Robotech Movie, but I'm guessing this is contingent on them stopping from fucking him over on Macross distribution rights, so they've basically given him the middle finger by ignoring his overtures. Harmony Gold treat this as a zero-sum game - more macross = less Robotech, whereas Kawamori sees collaboration as an opportunity to grow both brands.
Anyway, the main news is that Warner Bros gave up on making this movie after almost 10 years in development hell, and sold the rights to Sony, who've announced a new director (in a long line of proposed directors). Will Sony still screw over the original content creators, or will they resolve the idiotic dispute and actually make a Robotech movie people want to see - one that contains Robotech Stuff, unlike the previous Robotech: Shadow Chronicles cartoon from 2006?
Post by: JimboM12 on July 27, 2016, 01:21:39 pm
WOW!!!
Steven Nuke...
In Mr. Greg... Pearl actually sings a song that might be the best song in the entire series.
Yes... She might have actually beat "Stronger then You"
The episode might have been a BIT weak overall... But dang that song!
I get the impression the reason the writers give Pearl the most songs is because as a singer she is by FAR the most flexible.
Deedee Magno-Hall, Pearl's VA, is a former broadway singer and it shows. Only in 'Mr.Greg' she actually gets to show her A-game specialty and holy shit it was good. Estelle deserves another chance to lay out her singing credentials, her real life songs are pretty good and I'm not sure about Michaela Dietz, Amethyst's VA, being a professional singer but she has potential, so we'll see and it will probably be good.
Edit* About the episode itself, it seems like Pearl's ready to move on and find a new romance. She'll keep Rose in her heart but I definitely see them pushing her character development more in the next Steven Bomb. So, who do we want to ship her with? Not Greg, they're in a friendly relationship and I don't see it moving past that. Same with Garnet. Amethyst's more like a annoying younger sibling to her. Maybe they'll introduce a new human and we'll see how she reacts to being in the same situation as Rose?
And Steven Universe just... had an episode of Initial D.
You don't know the power of the Supremo?
Post by: Solifuge on July 27, 2016, 06:41:14 pm
In Mr. Greg... Pearl actually sings a song that might be the best song in the entire series.
Yes... She might have actually beat "Stronger then You"
The episode might have been a BIT weak overall... But dang that song!
I didn't think "Mr. Greg" stood out as one of the weaker episodes; the simple and jokey background characters helped ease the tension a few times, without taking focus away from the emotional complications between Greg, Pearl, and Rose and/or Steven. Despite what he represents as the physical evidence of Rose and Greg's relationship, Pearl took on the duty of raising Steven out of love for him and his Mother. I bet there's a lot of Step-Parents out there who can relate to Pearl's position, too. Judging by her song, and the way we see her busy doing domestic parenting stuff around the house, she's probably the closest thing to a Mom Steven has in the show; Garnet is more like a cool aunt who gives good advice but is kind of emotionally distant, and Amethyst is very much a Big Sister to Steven. "It's Over, Isn't It?" was probably the highlight of the episode, but the fallout of the trip itself moved the plot between Pearl and Greg forward significantly. Maybe we'll see him and the Gems hanging around more often now?
P.S. I kind of love how sharply Pearl enunciated "Don't Cost Nothin'," like the huge nerd she is.
Post by: Neonivek on July 27, 2016, 06:53:25 pm
Greg didn't become poor at the end of Mr. Greg
IT IS A FLIPPIN MIRACLE!
Post by: Folly on July 27, 2016, 07:46:51 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 28, 2016, 12:04:45 am
Kiki's Pizza Delivery Service reminded me of Ar Tonelico.
Also is it wrong that I would have actually found the episode cooler if it was just them doing a race to deliver a huge ton of pizzas against the clock?
Then again I never QUITE like dream media that doesn't REALLY take advantage of the fact that it is a dream... Though this is no where NEAR as bad as Inception... AKA: "What if you were inside the dream of the most boring people imaginable"
Then again... Kiki's Pizza Delivery Service... is flat out a idiot plot... like the very definition of it.
It would have ended pretty much immediately if either Steven or Kiki had an intelligent thought, and neither of them are that dumb normally. DOUBLE BONUS that the dream doesn't even reveal the correct issue psychologically (That she is overworked) meaning that the dream itself had to hand hold them through a solution as well.
What is odd is I honestly thought Steven knew what was wrong the entire time and just had the reasonable assumption that Kiki would eventually catch a break... But nope :P
Post by: Reelya on July 28, 2016, 12:21:05 am
Post by: Neonivek on July 28, 2016, 12:23:26 am
... but people do do irrational things in their dreams. Nonsensical things happen in dreams and you just go with it. If they were perfectly rational inside a dream, that would be the unrealistic part.
Ok... well let me put together the clues here
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Clearly no connection! We would need a detective to solve this mystery!
Post by: Reelya on July 28, 2016, 12:25:54 am
Post by: Neonivek on July 28, 2016, 12:26:48 am
idk, i haven't watched it, i'm just guessing based on what you write.
You probably didn't :P
It is flat out an idiot plot.
Kiki has the excuse of being willfully ignorant. Steven on the other hand... is 15...
Post by: Reelya on July 28, 2016, 12:27:54 am
IDK how being 15 years is "on the other hand" from being willfully ignorant however.
Post by: Neonivek on July 28, 2016, 12:29:00 am
There's no "probably". I haven't seen it since I haven't seen any of that show whatsoever.
You should its a good show.
Post by: WillowLuman on July 29, 2016, 11:31:50 am
Post by: Max™ on July 29, 2016, 01:51:02 pm
'Are you ok, did they hurt you?' "No, did they hurt you?" 'WHO CARES?'
Post by: Neonivek on August 01, 2016, 10:41:18 pm
I mean... they go out on their first mission to battle a gem beast with Pearl.
Pearl is there, obviously, to step in if things get out of hand but to otherwise let Steven and Cony deal with things.
Things immediately prove themselves to be much more dangerous then Pearl anticipated forcing her to step in immediately...
Then... They split up. Even though these creatures are too dangerous for Pearl to take alone without backup... and are ESPECIALLY too dangerous for Connie and Steven to take alone without backup.
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Then Steven uses more intelligence then he uses normally (Seriously show... is Steven a moron or is he intelligent... choose!)... and there is a reason for that but it is a spoiler...
I dunno it is a weird episode. Because it is KIND OF an Idiot plot but it isn't...
Post by: Folly on August 02, 2016, 09:28:56 pm
Then... They split up. Even though these creatures are too dangerous for Pearl to take alone without backup... and are ESPECIALLY too dangerous for Connie and Steven to take alone without backup.
I don't recall it being stated or implied that the corrupted gems were too dangerous for Pearl solo, or for Connie and Steven together. These gems are big and strong, but otherwise lacking any sort of impressive abilities; compared to the corrupted gems the gang is used to fighting, these should be relatively easy to deal with.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on August 02, 2016, 09:50:26 pm
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Luckily todays episode was amazing!
Post by: Folly on August 05, 2016, 09:08:54 pm
Also, now I totally want to make a real Bismuth gem.
Post by: Putnam on August 06, 2016, 04:49:37 pm
Also, now I totally want to make a real Bismuth gem.
Looks like it's rather easy. (http://chemistry.about.com/od/crystalrecipes/a/grow-bismuth-crystals.htm)
Warning: bismuth is slightly radioactive. Do not hold it close to your person for more than ~1,000,000,000,000,000,000 years at a time.
Post by: WillowLuman on August 08, 2016, 09:24:19 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 09, 2016, 12:19:49 am
Holy shit I actually feel bad for Jasper
What scares me... is I have a feeling we weren't.
Though what I am glad about is they didn't cheat in Amethyst's favor... like most shows would do.
Post by: Putnam on August 09, 2016, 06:24:02 pm
Post by: Folly on August 09, 2016, 09:09:28 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 09, 2016, 09:13:34 pm
It is one of the few shows where I dread the typical ways out of a dilemma presented... Yet Steven Universe more often then not avoids it and goes down the better option.
Weren't supposed to? No, it's pretty clear that sympathy is the intended feeling there, or at least empathy.
I think I am scarred from all those bad shows I watched.
That and it requires a disconnect between what the characters think and what is going on. Such as Jasper's inability to find someone to fuse with.
Post by: Putnam on August 09, 2016, 09:49:04 pm
Spoiler: SU (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on August 09, 2016, 09:59:54 pm
Spoiler: SU (click to show/hide)
I mean more the Sea Buddies episode.
It was the WEIRDEST bit of role reversal I ever seen...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So they have an odd... case of being unsympathetic to Jasper even in the oddest situations. I think due to some perception that she deserves mistreatment o-o.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 10, 2016, 06:14:53 pm
Post by: Folly on August 10, 2016, 09:22:20 pm
So this thread exists.
Is that a discreet way of saying 'Bump!'?
Post by: Neonivek on August 10, 2016, 09:23:07 pm
So this thread exists.
Is that a discreet way of saying 'Bump!'?
I think it is his discreet way of saying PTW :P
Post by: Folly on August 11, 2016, 07:38:21 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
...it was kinda hot.
Post by: Comrade P. on August 11, 2016, 12:27:00 pm
The Kindergarten Kid gave me Road Runner vibes.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 11, 2016, 06:02:11 pm
Post by: Folly on August 17, 2016, 11:35:00 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 17, 2016, 04:26:09 pm
The Amazing World of Gumball, let me break down the Metaphor
Darwin is in the part of the black adopted son whom the family believes wants to reconnect with his roots.
So they suddenly cook him stereotypical black dishes, not knowing the context or even cultures they are from, they adopt black personas... and they speak to him in "Ebonics" to comfort him. All the while mixing up cultures because "All black people are alike right?"
All the while Darwin has absolutely no real connection to that culture and at most showed a mild curiosity in his browser history.
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Mind you, I don't see this being an issue for children but as an adult where I could see through their references... OWWWW!
Post by: Max™ on August 17, 2016, 09:28:39 pm
I'm not one, I can't watch the show, the randomly spaced screamers make my teeth ache.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 18, 2016, 09:46:58 am
You are quite correct.So this thread exists.
Is that a discreet way of saying 'Bump!'?
I think it is his discreet way of saying PTW :P
Post by: Neonivek on August 18, 2016, 05:06:20 pm
The bit where the family realized she was looking at browser history and destroy their computers was definitely aimed more at the older viewers.
I'm not one, I can't watch the show, the randomly spaced screamers make my teeth ache.
I don't think the implication was that the entire family was watching porn.
I think even younger audiences wouldn't like the idea of their parents invading their privacy.
Post by: Max™ on August 18, 2016, 08:29:09 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on August 19, 2016, 10:49:53 am
Nobody says "please... delete... my browser history..." because they're worried people will see they were on ebay looking for MLP paraphernalia, they're concerned about the rule 34 stuff.
It always strikes me how people seem to be unaware of incognito browsing option available in most modern browsers.
Post by: Zangi on August 19, 2016, 12:06:19 pm
But, it is easier to bookmark the website(s) / go back to it cause auto-fill. Especially when it is frequently visited on a private computer.Nobody says "please... delete... my browser history..." because they're worried people will see they were on ebay looking for MLP paraphernalia, they're concerned about the rule 34 stuff.
It always strikes me how people seem to be unaware of incognito browsing option available in most modern browsers.
On another note... is there anything of interest other then Steven Universe on the cartoon/western animation front?
Post by: Comrade P. on August 19, 2016, 12:16:27 pm
On another note... is there anything of interest other then Steven Universe on the cartoon/western animation front?
Well Netflix did make that one reboot of Voltron. Apparently it was done by the studio behind Legend of Aang and, subsequently, Legend of Korra (the way I heard it). One season is out, and it gives off the vibes you would expect from a creation of that studio (I watched it prior to learning its origins). Poster promptly displays Dreamworks logo, so these guys must've got something to do with it as well.
Generally, it's worth a watch, I think.
For googling purposes: Voltron: Legendary Defender
Post by: WillowLuman on August 19, 2016, 12:24:41 pm
Post by: Levi on August 19, 2016, 12:45:44 pm
On another note... is there anything of interest other then Steven Universe on the cartoon/western animation front?
A few of my favorites:
1) Young Justice: Its great, but it was cancelled before its time. Although I heard rumors of it returning at some point.
2) Venture Bros: Sort of a spoof on a lot of 80's cartoons like Jonny Quest, but really fun to watch.
3) Voltron: Legendary Defender: Somehow good even though its about robot lions that turn into a giant robot.
Grr, I'm forgetting something obvious, I know it. I'll edit when I remember.
Edit: 4) Rick and Morty.
Post by: WillowLuman on August 19, 2016, 12:51:27 pm
Post by: Levi on August 19, 2016, 12:53:38 pm
Archer?
No, I didn't really care for that one. It was probably another adult-comedy though.
Ack, it was Rick and Morty. That was it.
Post by: Max™ on August 19, 2016, 12:53:58 pm
Archer is even raunchier and also fantastic, makes me miss Frisky Dingo too.
Oh, and I know the production quality isn't quite the same, and it may have just been due to living in Kentucky for a while, but Squidbillies is amazeballs.
Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with my pr0n, but I still don't want random people digging through it after I'm dead. Right now someone wants to check my browser history I laugh and tell them to fuck off, can't do that when I'm dead, so if you would, clear it for me? Thanks brah.Nobody says "please... delete... my browser history..." because they're worried people will see they were on ebay looking for MLP paraphernalia, they're concerned about the rule 34 stuff.
It always strikes me how people seem to be unaware of incognito browsing option available in most modern browsers.
Post by: Folly on August 19, 2016, 05:48:31 pm
On another note... is there anything of interest other then Steven Universe on the cartoon/western animation front?
Rick and Morty has been met with generally positive acclaim. The animation and humor in the first few episodes are generally weak, but it definitely picks up after that and just keeps getting better. Particularly in the second season they touch on some very serious social dysfunctions, but mostly under the cover of some crazy and hilarious scenarios.
Bojack Horseman recently released it's third season, and has been renewed for a fourth. It's a show with a sort of slice-of-life vibe; which is to say, the story arcs don't really have conclusions. The characters develop problems, try to resolve them, realize there are no easy or complete solutions, so instead learn to live with their problems one day at a time. Also there are anthropomorphs. It's not for everyone, but I have really enjoyed the show so far and look forward to more.
Star vs the Forces of Evil is a show more appropriate for minors, but with some jokes that youthful adults can enjoy as well. There are a few original story arcs which keep things interesting.
We Bare Bears
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 19, 2016, 07:25:50 pm
Also, I can find no connection between Steven Universe and the creator of We Bare Bears.
Post by: Folly on August 19, 2016, 07:52:24 pm
Also, I can find no connection between Steven Universe and the creator of We Bare Bears.
Ah, you are correct, that's my bad. Both shows do share several voice actors and I got confused, but the creation teams are totally different.
Post by: Max™ on August 19, 2016, 08:16:02 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO8LK_Ql6Lw
Post by: Neonivek on September 02, 2016, 09:20:39 pm
I have to say the show's writing is starting to take a serious quality hit... and not overall... just for one specific reason
No One Cares
I honestly feel like if this season happened in the first it would be handled entirely differently. Jasper was treated so casually, Steven's new powers were completely ignored, and the overall threat is just treated as nothing special.
As well the disconnect between Beach City and the Gems has grown so wide lately that as a friend said. "At this point they could be two entirely different shows"... I mean I understand that they were always meant to be separate... but Beach City is sort of supposed to be the "Why the Crystal Gems are so important" where Steven gets his inspiration to try so hard... but no.
The last time Beach City was even important to a Gem plot... took place on the beach FAR away from anyone... Didn't even as much as leave a crater in the beach.
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As well the latest episode really had no reason to exist... which is a shame because I'd love to have the new character actually join the cast... but nope... This episode was completely pointless and had nonsense twists and turns (in fact... It being so out of character and nonsense was the joke... Garnet was completely out of character was the joke)
Post by: Putnam on September 02, 2016, 09:26:18 pm
Well with Steven Universe going on Hiatus again
What? Next episode is airing in 6 days.
Post by: WillowLuman on September 05, 2016, 09:04:01 pm
I also recommend Bojack Horseman. Just finished the first season and enjoyed it a lot.
Just finished season 3 of Bojack Horseman. Holy shit, this show just keeps building.
Post by: Edmus on September 06, 2016, 03:09:54 am
Know Your Fusion and Kindergarten Kid were both very silly and felt as though they were a bit of a take five for the end of the release block.
I certainly feel more could have been made of Jasper's corruption.
Post by: Comrade P. on September 06, 2016, 10:43:13 am
I certainly feel more could have been made of Jasper's corruption.
It might be made into something more in the future. They got like two more seasons secured with CN.
Post by: TempAcc on September 06, 2016, 12:55:20 pm
Spoiler: Hergé pls (click to show/hide)
Post by: Folly on September 06, 2016, 02:35:53 pm
Well with Steven Universe going on Hiatus again
I have to say the show's writing is starting to take a serious quality hit... and not overall... just for one specific reason
No One Cares
I honestly feel like if this season happened in the first it would be handled entirely differently. Jasper was treated so casually, Steven's new powers were completely ignored, and the overall threat is just treated as nothing special.
SU was a very casual show from the beginning. It wasn't until about 25 episodes in that we got more than vague hints about the greater story arcs. And even at the height of drama, every second or third episode took a break from the action for a casual look at everyday life of the gems.
Post by: Neonivek on September 06, 2016, 04:41:35 pm
Well with Steven Universe going on Hiatus again
I have to say the show's writing is starting to take a serious quality hit... and not overall... just for one specific reason
No One Cares
I honestly feel like if this season happened in the first it would be handled entirely differently. Jasper was treated so casually, Steven's new powers were completely ignored, and the overall threat is just treated as nothing special.
SU was a very casual show from the beginning. It wasn't until about 25 episodes in that we got more than vague hints about the greater story arcs. And even at the height of drama, every second or third episode took a break from the action for a casual look at everyday life of the gems.
When Steven showed ANY power all the characters dropped everything and dealt with it.
Now Steven basically is the overmind, which has SERIOUS implications, and "Meh, so what?"
As well whenever there was a threat and they didn't deal with it immediately in the first season it was usually because Garnet could foresee its movements... They were going insane when they thought homeworld was coming AND when Malecite was around they went on expeditions constantly (usually offscreen) to try to find her.
Jasper? PFT who cares about her?
So, I am going to correct you on those points. It was casual but it never reached the levels of "Unmotivated protagonist syndrome".
Post by: Putnam on September 06, 2016, 10:42:28 pm
Well with Steven Universe going on Hiatus again
I have to say the show's writing is starting to take a serious quality hit... and not overall... just for one specific reason
No One Cares
I honestly feel like if this season happened in the first it would be handled entirely differently. Jasper was treated so casually, Steven's new powers were completely ignored, and the overall threat is just treated as nothing special.
SU was a very casual show from the beginning. It wasn't until about 25 episodes in that we got more than vague hints about the greater story arcs. And even at the height of drama, every second or third episode took a break from the action for a casual look at everyday life of the gems.
Jasper? PFT who cares about her?
Are you seriously saying this when Bismuth was the only episode interrupting an arc that lasted almost a dozen episodes focused on Jasper?
Post by: Neonivek on September 06, 2016, 11:53:13 pm
Are you seriously saying this when Bismuth was the only episode interrupting an arc that lasted almost a dozen episodes focused on Jasper?
How many of those involved even mildly even remotely looking for Jasper even if it was a throw away line?: 0
Post by: Putnam on September 07, 2016, 02:14:19 am
Are you seriously saying this when Bismuth was the only episode interrupting an arc that lasted almost a dozen episodes focused on Jasper?
How many of those involved even mildly even remotely looking for Jasper even if it was a throw away line?: 0
This is true, if you completely ignore Alone at Sea, Gem Hunt, Crack the Whip, Steven Vs. Amethyst, Beta and Earthlings.
You may notice that I skipped two episodes there: Greg the Babysitter and Bismuth. Of the episodes I listed, only Steven Vs. Amethyst doesn't literally feature Jasper (though the plot is entirely driven by Amethyst's wanting to beat her). Greg the Babysitter is basically a flashback episode. Bismuth is the only episode that takes place after Jasper reappears in Alone at Sea that fits your complaint. The only one.
Post by: Neonivek on September 07, 2016, 02:21:05 am
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This is true, if you completely ignore Alone at Sea, Gem Hunt, Crack the Whip, Steven Vs. Amethyst, Beta and Earthlings.
Did... I watch a completely different version of these episodes from you? None of those episodes feature looking for Jasper in any sense.
Though if there really was a throw away line "We looked for Jasper, we didn't find her" I'd really like to know.
Since the shows slide towards "Meh, who cares?" is starting to drive me crazy. I swear there is going to be an episode where a Diamond shows up, followed by an episode where the Gems don't even acknowledge she is even here.
And I understand why from a writing standpoint this is happening. Because they want to lighten on the drama since we already had a long stretch of episodes involving extreme paranoia and worry out of the Gems and they don't want to thrust us back into that because of Jasper...
I have no issue with them not wetting their pants because Jasper is on earth. Yet they didn't just drop the tension, they dropped ALL tension and didn't even give the slightest nod to someone who, up to this point, is the greatest enemy the Gems ever fought on the show.
This is Mermaid Melody Season 2 all over again! Except... ok... not AS bad (as Jasper is no where close as threatening as the villain in that and at least Amethyst is training to beat her, partially at least)
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Anyhow I'll explain the concept of Unmotivated Protagonists later... Mermaid Melody Season 2 will always be my primary example of this... but I'll give a basic rundown of what happens.
In Mermaid Melody Season 2 a new villain appears who not only can withstand our main character's full attacks but can also defeat them quite easily. In fact the only reason he doesn't kill them is because his crippling health problems forces him to retreat.
Mermaid Melody Season 1 also featured a powerful opponent who was more then a match for the mermaids, in fact I believe he didn't have crippling health problems.
The difference is in Season 1 the entire plot revolved around the villain and the entire reason the mermaids live on land is a way to not only escape from the villain but also so the villain won't destroy their homes trying to get to them.
In Season 2 while they will acknowledge the villain exists... They do not try to find out who the villain is, where he is, or how to defeat him in anyway... All the stupid plots that mean much less then him are put into the limelight... The mermaids don't even do the bare minimum and team up.
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And no having Jasper appear a lot doesn't count.
In Season 2 of Mermaid Melody every single episode dealt with the main villain (though to admit, I am not aware if they knew the connection between all the villains)
Post by: Solifuge on September 07, 2016, 04:12:24 pm
Spoiler: Focusing only on recent Jasper-related episodes and plots, we have... (click to show/hide)
That all aside, I'm glad the show doesn't let a "Big Bad Evil Guy" plot completely take over the heart and soul of the series. SU is at it's best when it's doing character development, and exploring the joys, difficulties, and growth of it's various characters, and the relationships between them. This includes antagonists like Jasper, and explores her character and history even when she's not in the frame.
EDIT: Whoops, I forgot "Alone at Sea". Added it to the list.
Post by: Neonivek on September 07, 2016, 04:21:43 pm
I think Steven Universe should have hinted or implied that the Crystal Gems were looking for Jasper, even if it is as something as small as a throw away line or a visual easter egg.
That is it...
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It doesn't matter how many episodes focus on Jasper or hint at Jasper. It is essential.
It is why Mermaid Melody Season 2 doesn't get a pass just because the Main Villain is in every episode.
Post by: Solifuge on September 07, 2016, 04:48:10 pm
If you're mad they took so long to bring Jasper back after she fell out of the plot, and into a magma-filled chasm split down to the core of the Earth, I get you. Consider this, though. From the characters perspective Jasper was destroyed, trapped underground, or otherwise gone. From the writers perspective, they want to keep the plot fresh, and not linger on one conflict (Malachite/Jasper) or Jasper's story overlong, and neglect all the other plots going on. Peridot still needed to wrap up her redemption arc, Lapis needed to deal with the emotional aftermath of their fusion, Steven needed to figure out why Jasper (and Homeworld) hated his Mom, etc.
Anyway, I was looking forward to a Jasper redemption arc too. The Crystal Gem team needs a gigantic orange emotionally-inept butch space rock who secretly just wants friends, IMO. But we may not see that for a while, when/if Steven figures out how to cure Corrupted Gems or something... and I have a feeling that's a long-term plot.
Post by: Neonivek on September 07, 2016, 04:50:46 pm
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And at that point all the characters continued to look for her]
That is the thing... they absolutely didn't do that. Your assuming they did based on how it makes sense that they would.
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If you're mad they took so long to bring Jasper back after she fell out of the plot, and into a magma-filled chasm split down to the core of the Earth, I get you. Consider this, though. From the characters perspective Jasper was destroyed, trapped underground, or otherwise gone.
A) No I am not
B) No they did NOT think she was dead...
Post by: Solifuge on September 07, 2016, 04:59:32 pm
In addition to the episode-by-episode rundown I did 4 posts ago, I guess could cite the episodes, minutes, and seconds that all those things happened, but I kinda gotta do other stuff. :I
Post by: Neonivek on September 07, 2016, 05:00:45 pm
Okay, this is gettin' silly friendo.
In addition to the episode-by-episode rundown I did 4 posts ago, I guess could cite the episodes, minutes, and seconds that all those things happened, but I kinda gotta do other stuff. :I
I mean I COULD use your own episode by episode rundown... >_<
Post by: Putnam on September 07, 2016, 05:01:04 pm
That is the thing... they absolutely didn't do that. Your assuming they did based on how it makes sense that they would.
Crack the Whip starts with Garnet explicitly telling Connie that her and Pearl are leaving to track down Jasper, as was mentioned earlier.
Post by: Neonivek on September 07, 2016, 05:01:50 pm
That is the thing... they absolutely didn't do that. Your assuming they did based on how it makes sense that they would.
Crack the Whip starts with Garnet explicitly telling Connie that her and Pearl are leaving to track down Jasper, as was mentioned earlier.
THANK GOODNESS! Sure took waaaaaaaaaay too long.
Post by: Putnam on September 07, 2016, 05:02:19 pm
You may even notice that Pearl explicitly says that they should be tracking her down and gives reasoning for it.
Post by: Neonivek on September 07, 2016, 05:03:33 pm
here's the exact mention (https://youtu.be/s2XrvkM0Vdw?t=55).
Thank goodness.
Though goodness that is the only time. Still bad but isn't abhorrent.
Post by: Putnam on September 07, 2016, 05:04:29 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 07, 2016, 05:07:09 pm
You seriously expect the main-character-in-training to be actively seeking out an incredibly strong villain who is as strong as a fusion by herself?
I REALLY REALLY don't think you guys understand me. xD
It is when someone argue something that only tangentially relates to what I said...
Post by: ggamer on September 07, 2016, 05:09:30 pm
Spoiler: if you care aboot that sort of thing (click to show/hide)
Post by: Putnam on September 07, 2016, 05:10:17 pm
Then you seriously expect the topic to be brought up explicitly in every single one of the 11-minute episodes during the arc? I have no idea what you're trying to say...You seriously expect the main-character-in-training to be actively seeking out an incredibly strong villain who is as strong as a fusion by herself?
I REALLY REALLY don't think you guys understand me. xD
It is when someone argue something that only tangentially relates to what I said...
Post by: Solifuge on September 07, 2016, 05:14:35 pm
Cartoons are neat.
Post by: Max™ on September 07, 2016, 06:58:03 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 07, 2016, 07:08:34 pm
They were created by other Gems
Or... they were created by some other species.
Post by: Solifuge on September 07, 2016, 07:39:31 pm
Post by: Max™ on September 07, 2016, 07:52:31 pm
Post by: Edmus on September 08, 2016, 08:58:30 pm
Hehehe
Post by: Neonivek on September 09, 2016, 03:38:37 am
I mean... they are technically natives and have been living in Beach City the entire time.
Ohh wait I forgot... The Gems live in another dimension from Beach City xD
Post by: WillowLuman on September 09, 2016, 03:39:41 am
Post by: Neonivek on September 09, 2016, 03:42:01 am
They probably never bothered to get the paperwork
I get the impression that they mistakenly believe they couldn't get the paperwork.
Though given how public the Crystal Gems are (sort of), you would think it would be unavoidable.
It is one of the reasons why one of my theories is that the Crystal Gems froze themselves until Steven came about :P
-Actually I just assume the Gems often fought for weeks, months, or years on end without a Rose or Steven to break up their fights.
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My personal theory is that the government is FULLY aware of the crystal gems and their existence.
They just don't act on it.
Post by: Putnam on September 09, 2016, 04:40:54 am
Post by: Levi on September 09, 2016, 12:15:07 pm
Post by: JimboM12 on September 09, 2016, 01:58:26 pm
They probably never bothered to get the paperwork
I get the impression that they mistakenly believe they couldn't get the paperwork.
Though given how public the Crystal Gems are (sort of), you would think it would be unavoidable.
It is one of the reasons why one of my theories is that the Crystal Gems froze themselves until Steven came about :P
-Actually I just assume the Gems often fought for weeks, months, or years on end without a Rose or Steven to break up their fights.
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My personal theory is that the government is FULLY aware of the crystal gems and their existence.
They just don't act on it.
I agree with the government part; it does seem like Mayor Dewey knows and tries to cover up as much of the weird gem stuff as possible judging by the way he got defensive in Ronaldo's interview. And, until the somewhat recent fingering of Beach City, they've never been a threat nor have they been high profile, having at one point fenced themselves off and seemingly not bothered.
I kinda wanna see what the government would do now that all this stuff's going on. Perhaps a men-in-black style situation is going on behind the scenes and the MIB already know about the Kindergarden (codename Site 48 or something) and for all we know they could try actual surveillance on the gems.
Edit* Just caught up on the last episode and...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Max™ on September 09, 2016, 06:49:14 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Though, Pearl is the one who had the idolized hero figure who pushed her to become more and then died, leaving her to grow and work to find her own way in the... well... universe.
I typed "Perl" three times, I don't even use the language, what the hell?
Post by: JimboM12 on September 09, 2016, 07:09:32 pm
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Though, Pearl is the one who had the idolized hero figure who pushed her to become more and then died, leaving her to grow and work to find her own way in the... well... universe.
I typed "Perl" three times, I don't even use the language, what the hell?
It's fine, it's firday and im a lil tipsy sitting at my corner desk while me and my roommates watch Riki-Oh (with Backstroke of the West next) or however you speel it and I'm typing words wrong every few lines and laughing my ass off, so speeling isn't important.
But you do have a point about the whole hero figure inspiration thing, but Steven keeps drawing natural parallels to me about being the chosen one who can unite the races and free the gems from the oppressive government so he's kinda the focus of my thought. I can see him growing into it, but he's got a rude awakening coming when the Diamonds just don't care or listen to him when we get to that point. I guess I'm hoping for some drama, let us introduce such a paragon of manliness, a man of indomitable spirit who awakens the fighting spirit of the Gems and Steven once more and becomes a beloved side character of the group ......only to die in the first real encounter with the Diamonds, his last moments inspirational to the end. Damn it gurren lagann.
*edit again, also gotta praise the music choice for the last episode, perfect garage band sound for the episode theme, i actually hunted down the music on youtube and have it on repeat.
Post by: Max™ on September 09, 2016, 08:10:09 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 09, 2016, 08:15:39 pm
Post by: Edmus on September 09, 2016, 10:43:02 pm
re: new character, There's a lot of narrative options for them to explore there with Pearl, if they want. I hope we see her again.
Post by: Neonivek on September 09, 2016, 10:44:56 pm
There was an element of that sibling competitiveness with Amethyst and Steven toward the end of last season. Trying to keep up with your siblings is explored quite well there, I think.
re: new character, There's a lot of narrative options for them to explore there with Pearl, if they want. I hope we see her again.
I dunno... In a few ways it is kind of "wrong" to find a replacement for someone who died...
and I don't think the show is willing to go dark enough to go there... and I'd prefer them not to ignore it either.
Post by: Edmus on September 09, 2016, 11:19:07 pm
There was an element of that sibling competitiveness with Amethyst and Steven toward the end of last season. Trying to keep up with your siblings is explored quite well there, I think.
re: new character, There's a lot of narrative options for them to explore there with Pearl, if they want. I hope we see her again.
I dunno... In a few ways it is kind of "wrong" to find a replacement for someone who died...
and I don't think the show is willing to go dark enough to go there... and I'd prefer them not to ignore it either.
The thought never occurred to me that she would be a form of replacement. That could be pretty intense.
I was more thinking a 'trying to be someone you're not' arc with Pearl.
I don't like speculating on shows too much though, it sets me up for disappointment when it turns out that something was just a one off. :P
Post by: Solifuge on September 10, 2016, 02:31:14 pm
I was more thinking a 'trying to be someone you're not' arc with Pearl.
It's sorta been explored before, right? She lied to Garnet and everyone else to make Sardonyx happen, stretches the truth to prop up her ego when challenged, and seems to reject the reality of some of the situations she finds herself in as a way to cope in the short-term. Putting on the jacket and being a badass rebel for an evening was another way to do that, even if it didn't do any harm this time.
That's one of the ways I relate to Pearl as a character, actually. She's got issues with putting on airs and false presentations, glossing over the ugly deals in her personal history, and when recounting the history of the Gems and the Rebellion (understandable when talking to a kid, but she's easily the least direct of the bunch), and all sorts of other things related to pretending to be being someone you're not, or pretending the world or the situation is different than it is. It's absolutely been one of the focal points for her growth as a character, and I'd be curious to see if they tie this into it.
As of "Mr. Greg," Pearl seems to have processed some stuff about Rose she'd been holding on to, so dating new people could be a way to build on that? It'd be interesting to see how they'd handle Steven's perspective there too; having a parental figure who's dating people can be tricky, which is something a lot of kids with divorced parents go through. Definitely some good material to work with there!
Spoiler: P.S. Wanted to share this tidbit, from the Crewniverse on Twitter: (click to show/hide)
Post by: Edmus on September 10, 2016, 09:55:03 pm
That made me laugh. heheheSpoiler: P.S. Wanted to share this tidbit, from the Crewniverse on Twitter: (click to show/hide)
I think that it would differ from previous instances, in that she'd be more aware of what she's doing, and for someone else's benefit rather than her own. But really I'd just be excited if they do anything with mystery girl at all. :P
The whole 'stepmum' dynamic would be pretty cool, true. Though I imagine that would be some delicate writing territory.
Post by: Shook on September 11, 2016, 07:13:20 am
Oh man, so i've been watching some Samurai Jack, and i happened upon the episode "Jack and the Haunted House" (S3E9). If you've seen it, you may agree when i say that it can best be described as "awesomely terrifying". Aku will of course always be my favourite villain, but this demon was quite something as well. I'm not sure why, but i really liked that episode despite normally not liking horror. :v
also that episode where Jack gets a giant stone mecha and fights a giant robot
mmmmmmmmmmmm
YOU MAY NOW RESUME YOUR STEVEN UNIVERSE DISCUSSION
Post by: Max™ on September 11, 2016, 07:36:54 am
Post by: Comrade P. on September 11, 2016, 03:17:41 pm
Hype level: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai_Jack_(season_5)
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The new season will have more mature elements, and form a cohesive story. The story picks up 50 years[11] after the end of the original series and follows Jack on a journey that will conclude the story of the series.
Tartakovsky buildin' up that HYPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT6yhhfiUh8)
Post by: Shook on September 11, 2016, 04:58:01 pm
But oh man does he have a lot of hype to live up to, i hope it doesn't end in a flop. But, since it's the same guy producing it, i am decently confident. The biggest question is this: WILL MAKO'S SUCCESSOR DO AKU JUSTICE? Also speaking of AKU, there was this one episode (Jack vs Aku) that showed what his voice would look like as text (https://puu.sh/r7s0w.jpg). I kind of wish that was a font i could use. :U
Post by: Max™ on September 11, 2016, 06:47:03 pm
Post by: Folly on September 12, 2016, 04:29:34 am
I'd watch it.
Post by: Neonivek on September 12, 2016, 01:22:13 pm
On the subject of reboots, Danny Phantom (http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/butch-hartman-draws-danny-phantom-trio-10-years-later) might happen.
I'd watch it.
I would too... Yet I'd probably want them to make a new show.
Post by: Solifuge on September 12, 2016, 10:09:40 pm
Samurai Jack was always really gorgeous and cool, though... I never watched it as a series, but I enjoyed it whenever I caught it. I'm... actually kind of excited about this!
Post by: Folly on September 15, 2016, 03:37:40 am
Samurai Jack was always really gorgeous and cool, though... I never watched it as a series, but I enjoyed it whenever I caught it. I'm... actually kind of excited about this!
The extremely episodic nature of Samurai Jack was actually a big part of it's appeal to me, and the main thing that has me skeptical of it's renewal. Apparently the new season is just going to be one big story arc, as opposed to the many short stories we're used to.
A couple of new shows premiered recently.
Son of Zorn, a show that mixes animation and real life. It's about a spoof of He-Man, who somehow ends up leaving his fantasy island to live in the suburbs and be near his bastard son. Most of the jokes seem to center around Zorn bringing his barbaric mindset to otherwise mundane situations with absurd results. The interaction between animation and reality didn't seem to mesh very well in the first half of the episode, but smoothed out a bit in the second half; I'm optimistic for the rest of the season. The jokes always got a chuckle out of me, and the father/son premise caught my interest enough that I'm now looking forward to seeing more. Of course since it's on Fox, it's not likely to see a second season, but we can hope.
Legends of Chamberlain Heights. Wow. I didn't think it was possible, but someone actually managed to make a show with worse visual quality, less humor, and more disgusting racial insensitivity than Bordertown. Hopefully this will be cancelled just as quickly, if not moreso.
Also, new season of South Park premiered. Following the trend of their recent seasons, it seems that this one will follow one large story arc with less emphasis on the inter-episode story arcs. This first episode in particular didn't really seem to accomplish anything more than setting up for things to come. I'm not saying this is necessarily bad...but it is very much contrary to the format which originally gave this show it's popularity.
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2016, 04:34:52 am
I missed the boat on that show, and never got a chance to understand it's appeal.Danny Phantom is pretty nice :3 And I DO love the episodic nature of Samurai Jack! It was at an annoying timeslot though, so at least I could know when I missed episodes everytime it showed (and be all grumpy :I because it was so cool).
Samurai Jack was always really gorgeous and cool, though... I never watched it as a series, but I enjoyed it whenever I caught it. I'm... actually kind of excited about this!
Loved the artstyle, and how the producer made out the story and how fleshed out the characters are especially given how little most of them speak.
Post by: Neonivek on September 15, 2016, 07:57:57 pm
To the extent where I honestly thought he was just playing along... O_O (doesn't help that the acting was kind of poor... well ok more accurately the direction... I'd explain more but spoilers)
In my personal opinion... Probably the worst episode of all of Steven Universe.
Post by: Comrade P. on September 16, 2016, 03:08:54 am
Post by: Neonivek on September 16, 2016, 03:40:40 am
Well it wasn't in any way exiting, but it hardly was the worst. It was about as good as most episodes not featuring gems (except Steven himself), that is to say, not very good.
I dunno what episode I'd put as worse...
I mean there are episodes I enjoyed less (like the episode about Larse being a big fat cheater DANG IT SADDIE DUMP HIS BUTT!!!) but I appreciate their uncomfortable nature.
-On a side note: I don't dislike Larse as a character but BOY do I think Saddie should dump him altogether... He aint good for you Saddie!
Though maybe the Petey episode... with Petey having a REALLY concerning level of clinical depression?
Post by: Folly on September 17, 2016, 02:47:45 pm
Post by: Sergius on September 18, 2016, 09:37:34 am
Post by: Neonivek on September 18, 2016, 01:35:16 pm
So I binge watched 3 seasons of BoJack Horseman. It's good, but pretty depressing. I like the humor, tho I can tell it's there mostly to keep it from being so damn dark. Heavy-dark, not grimdarky-dark.
The Plotline I am concerned about the most though is Princess'
If only because this is the kind of show that would say the solution is for her to stop working entirely...
When for a person like her... her self-worth and esteem comes from her job and often they like working especially hard...
(As well the only thing I don't like about the show is that its depiction of everyone... is that everyone is depressed... But to admit I think they dropped that aspect)
Note: I love the show. I just don't want to get into too much about why I like it. Just watch the show people!
Also to correct the show
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Dang it Season 4 already...
Post by: Edmus on September 19, 2016, 02:55:36 am
You nailed it with the depression thing; I feel bad for all of them all the time!
Post by: Neonivek on September 19, 2016, 05:06:33 am
Basically everyone wants sex all the time UNLESS there is something wrong with them.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Though given that the show depicts sex as a ultimately destructive and demeaning act
Post by: Sergius on September 19, 2016, 10:47:26 am
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I googled it right during the episode (actually paused while I was doing), and found that while they are different in theory, in practice they're pretty much the same, except that the former is more closely regulated than the latter.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on September 19, 2016, 11:31:10 am
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Post by: Tiruin on September 19, 2016, 10:39:03 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 19, 2016, 10:50:04 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on September 19, 2016, 11:10:55 pm
I just watched the first few episodes of Bojack Horseman and found it too draining to watch.
You nailed it with the depression thing; I feel bad for all of them all the time!
Lol, I ALSO just got in Bojack Horseman, I think it's amazing and I love it to much!
Post by: Comrade P. on September 23, 2016, 05:12:31 am
Got me invested enough to watch it all, somehow.
Post by: MrWiggles on September 25, 2016, 03:22:31 am
Post by: Comrade P. on October 03, 2016, 02:11:04 pm
I'm laughing out loud. Seriously, I'm not just telling you that like
Post by: Folly on October 07, 2016, 05:30:18 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 07, 2016, 05:31:48 am
I just watched the premiere of Milo Murphy's Law. I was quite alarmed by just how blatantly they portrayed the teacher's wood-fetish. I honestly thought she was about to start grinding on the corner of her desk right there in front of the whole class...
I think she really was about to... straight up.
Post by: Folly on October 14, 2016, 10:26:41 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I feel like this is so totally relevant to the current political climate. You're free to say and do what you want. But when you lower the bar, don't be surprised when the other party responds in kind.
Post by: Max™ on October 14, 2016, 11:10:18 am
Oh my wow! I've just seen Steven Universe online and it's nice :D Although I kinda lost links to versions that are uncensored--can anyone link me here online sites to watch the uncensored versions please?Wait, censored how? Also, uh, I forget the full address for it, but kissanime.to has a cartoon side with them.
Just caught the "what... NO, YOUR DIAMOND, MY DIAMOND!" bit, and the bits with Peridot/Lapis and their crap art was great.
How many fucks does Lapis give? We tried asking but she never got back to us with a reply.
Post by: Folly on October 14, 2016, 11:15:51 am
Post by: Sergius on October 14, 2016, 11:30:06 am
There was an interesting scene in the most recent episode of South Park...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I feel like this is so totally relevant to the current political climate. You're free to say and do what you want. But when you lower the bar, don't be surprised when the other party responds in kind.
Seems like a false equivalence to me. "What, you don't want to sit at the back of the bus? Ok, then I get to drop a giant turd on your head. Guess we're even!". But that's pretty much South Park S.O.P.
Post by: Comrade P. on October 14, 2016, 12:10:23 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 14, 2016, 04:17:14 pm
There was an interesting scene in the most recent episode of South Park...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I feel like this is so totally relevant to the current political climate. You're free to say and do what you want. But when you lower the bar, don't be surprised when the other party responds in kind.
Seems like a false equivalence to me. "What, you don't want to sit at the back of the bus? Ok, then I get to drop a giant turd on your head. Guess we're even!". But that's pretty much South Park S.O.P.
Not really a false equivalence if you understand the actual issue and not the surface issue.
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THAT and I think the protests are a reference to actual female rallies.
Post by: Folly on October 14, 2016, 05:26:34 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 14, 2016, 05:31:28 pm
In a previous episode, 'The Hobbit', Wendy went on a feminist crusade but was ultimately forced to accept that her position was not necessarily the righteous one. So it would not be entirely unprecedented for the girls to end up on the losing side of this battle.
Well it was girl against girl.
But I don't exactly think, given how it ended, that the ending was about her being wrong...
Post by: Furtuka on November 07, 2016, 07:29:28 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 07, 2016, 07:31:15 pm
YOUNG JUSTICE SEASON 3 (http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/11/07/young-justice-returning-for-season-3)
YES! It always bugged me that it ended like... mid plotline.
Post by: Furtuka on November 07, 2016, 07:40:01 pm
Post by: Folly on November 07, 2016, 09:21:08 pm
YOUNG JUSTICE SEASON 3 (http://YOUNG JUSTICE SEASON 3)
Holy Hell! First Samurai Jack, and now this! Sweet sweet justice for Young Justice!
Now if only they would cancel Teen Titans Go, then life would be perfect. At least in regards to youth-based superhero animations.
Post by: Edmus on November 07, 2016, 09:28:12 pm
I heard somewhere recently that TT:Go is Cartoon Network's most profitable show, which is a bummer.YOUNG JUSTICE SEASON 3 (http://YOUNG JUSTICE SEASON 3)
Holy Hell! First Samurai Jack, and now this! Sweet sweet justice for Young Justice!
Now if only they would cancel Teen Titans Go, then life would be perfect. At least in regards to youth-based superhero animations.
Post by: Putnam on November 07, 2016, 09:34:00 pm
?????
Post by: Max™ on November 08, 2016, 12:40:28 am
Post by: Folly on November 08, 2016, 01:28:04 am
Post by: Max™ on November 08, 2016, 01:44:08 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 08, 2016, 06:25:41 am
And... The show is FUNNY aware of that and constantly takes time to troll the fans of the original Teen Titans AND detractors of the show (several episodes devoted to haters with broken logic). It is a show that revels in being completely disrespectful to the source material.
All the while people no longer have the real teen titans which kind of ended on a low note after it kind of became a Teen Titans version of the Justice League (as well as a few other twists)... Something I am sure most fans wanted to desperately see.
Post by: Folly on November 08, 2016, 08:16:18 am
Post by: Sergius on November 08, 2016, 12:19:35 pm
You're welcome.
Post by: Solifuge on November 08, 2016, 12:24:51 pm
It's definitely a Pilot, but it's actually pretty cool!
Post by: Max™ on November 08, 2016, 01:11:09 pm
Well at least y'all have that DC Super Hero Girls Superhero High or something.Which is a cute show and I would much rather have than TT:Go, especially if the options were a proper continuation of Teen Titans+Super Hero Girls.
You're welcome.
TT:Go has the Gumball problem for me, I don't know what ass thinks screamers are funny, but it's why I don't even give Gumball a chance, every time I leave it on there it seems, I'm startled by "quiet quiet quiet BLARRRGH SCREAMING AND HORNS FOR NO FUCKING REASONS quiet quiet quiet" though nothing is as bad as that fucking episode of TT:Go where they were chewing on teeth... wanna push the fucker who made that shit off a cliff.
Post by: Putnam on November 08, 2016, 04:34:16 pm
Well summarized, Neon.
I mean, except that it's wrong.
Post by: WillowLuman on November 08, 2016, 05:01:45 pm
Was recently recommended a pilot for what might become a new CN show: The Infinity Train (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY6kfVWv01k).I'd be interested to see more of that!
It's definitely a Pilot, but it's actually pretty cool!
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 08, 2016, 05:06:19 pm
Well summarized, Neon.
I mean, except that it's wrong.
Your opinion is exactly as wrong.
The show isn't just 'stupid entertainment' which would be bad, but tolerable. It is 'insulting stupidity' which would rank awfully high on most peoples list of things they hate. In fact, it's very much like the now probably long forgotten time that South Park trolled its audience with the "Who is Cartman's Dad" cliffhanger, you know, when Matt and Trey had to issue a public apology because Comedy Central wasn't willing to tolerate the bad press.
Being stupid is just stupid, but trolling your audience is asking for hate.
Post by: Putnam on November 08, 2016, 05:14:22 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 08, 2016, 05:17:09 pm
Post by: Putnam on November 08, 2016, 05:20:59 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 08, 2016, 05:27:55 pm
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Every single time the old show comes up it's basically said outright to be superior in a variety of ways.
No your thinking more about how the characters constantly refer to how the Teen Titans aren't serious and often how they "used" to be serious or something along those lines. The rhetoric behind it is how everyone keeps trying to turn Teen Titans Go into Teen Titans... But Teen Titans Go is ultimately how it should be.
Whenever they directly have a episode ABOUT the old show their usual conclusion is "New show better, you guys should be ashamed" which they surprisingly do more often then I personally thought.
And I think people are oversensitive about Teen Titans Go... But to act like they don't directly troll their audience is to FLAT OUT not understand their humor. Heck they have an entire episode dedicated to having absolutely no comedy (and not in the "so unhumorous that it is funny" sort of way).
They play against the typical cartoon format. It is why the majority of episodes go against the grain. It is why their "Girl Power" episode is a sarcastic take that at the genre, it is why their episode about Mother Nature ends with a pro modern life, it is why their Cow episode ends with an actual moral being the joke.
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 08, 2016, 05:29:28 pm
You find no problem with TT go, other people do. Instead of framing your argument in a constructive fashion you are just saying "no, you're wrong", which may just be the actual worst possible way to inform someone.
You could, alternately, point out places where you feel that the program has praised or framed the source material in a positive light (and not just saying that it has happened, which I certainly haven't seen any sign of). But you aren't doing that, and are just coming across as arrogant and belligerent.
I mean, seriously, I wouldn't even blame you for getting upset at me for this interchange. But that is because I recognize that what I am saying could be quantified as an attack.
Post by: Putnam on November 08, 2016, 05:33:52 pm
Whenever they directly have a episode ABOUT the old show their usual conclusion is "New show better, you guys should be ashamed" which they surprisingly do more often then I personally thought.
You could, alternately, point out places where you feel that the program has praised or framed the source material in a positive light (and not just saying that it has happened, which I certainly haven't seen any sign of). But you aren't doing that, and are just coming across as arrogant and belligerent.
https://youtu.be/TUiIdtwP4WM?t=36
And the whole episode with Control Freak where they try to get themselves canceled to bring the old show back...
Every episode I've seen that references previous stuff requires a squint and a backflip to say that they're outright saying the new one is better.
Post by: Neonivek on November 08, 2016, 05:34:47 pm
I should state though... I love the Too Serious episode! One of my favorites (and frankly... It could be argued that it is right.)
I loathe the Clown Episode mostly on the basis that "The things of our childhood should not grow up with us."... Which it did by not understanding what it means to "grow up with us"... and for once it didn't set up the contrivance as part of the joke.
Which is kind of where Teen Titans kind of excels... It is why the "Too Serious" episode is one of my favorites. The Teen Titans get too serious and end up becoming so serious that it becomes stupidly silly melodrama.
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 08, 2016, 05:36:22 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 08, 2016, 05:48:06 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on November 09, 2016, 01:44:39 am
The topic was spurred by The Infinity Train... Despite missing the mark juuuuuuuuuuust a little bit (I mean, it's just slightly off. It doesn't quite come to together perfectly), it looks to be a promising show.
Any other interesting pilots of new series out that you guys are digging???
Post by: Neonivek on November 09, 2016, 01:45:35 am
Post by: Folly on November 09, 2016, 03:04:07 am
Well now that we can all agree that Teen Titans Go is literal Hitler, let's move on to promising new animation.
The topic was spurred by The Infinity Train... Despite missing the mark juuuuuuuuuuust a little bit (I mean, it's just slightly off. It doesn't quite come to together perfectly), it looks to be a promising show.
Any other interesting pilots of new series out that you guys are digging???
The topic was spurred by the announcement of Young Justice being renewed...and while not a new series, it was a bit obscure, and I certainly recommend checking it out if you're not familiar with it already.
Post by: Neonivek on November 09, 2016, 03:05:01 am
Well now that we can all agree that Teen Titans Go is literal Hitler, let's move on to promising new animation.
The topic was spurred by The Infinity Train... Despite missing the mark juuuuuuuuuuust a little bit (I mean, it's just slightly off. It doesn't quite come to together perfectly), it looks to be a promising show.
Any other interesting pilots of new series out that you guys are digging???
The topic was spurred by the announcement of Young Justice being renewed...and while not a new series, it was a bit obscure, and I certainly recommend checking it out if you're not familiar with it already.
Also DEFINATELY watch the Young Justice Teen Titans Go crossover! it is HILLARIOUS... even if you don't normally like the show.
Post by: Sergius on November 09, 2016, 11:28:13 am
I like silly humor, I just don't have time to watch TTGo. But my brother watches it in the other room so I hear all the jokes. They're pretty good. Like that episode where Robin tries to make the others think instead of following orders (and they start just doing whatever they read in a fortune cookie), the moral of the episode was that Robin was wrong in thinking that they could think by themselves. I thought that was hilarious.
But since so many people hate this stuff or feel personally insulted by the animators or whatever, I can just watch in the sidelines with a healthy serving of popcorn, neither defending nor attacking the show.
EDIT:
Also DEFINATELY watch the Young Justice Teen Titans Go crossover! it is HILLARIOUS... even if you don't normally like the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTQZykJP23g
Heh, pretty fun.
Also someone mentioned something how a supervillain caused the reboot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N74D9xl0b-A
Seems to me like the creators of this show are actually trying a "take that!" at the Network, but somehow every old fan feels this is them mocking them? Um.
Post by: Neonivek on November 09, 2016, 12:02:12 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on November 10, 2016, 10:10:58 pm
Post by: Folly on November 11, 2016, 10:04:36 am
Hey so I finally got around to watching Gravity Falls. 'twas pretty good!
Yeah, enjoyable show. The best part for me was following the reddit with each newly released episode, where people deciphered all the hidden codes and pointed out secrets that I had missed. It's nice to see writers who care enough to do stuff like this.
I do feel like it ended far too abruptly however. They never gave a very satisfying explanation for what Lee went through on the other side of the portal. And then the finale just felt like a lot of half-developed ideas slapped together in a barely coherent story. But at least it got a proper ending, which is more than can be said for many shows.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on November 11, 2016, 05:07:32 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 18, 2016, 02:27:29 am
And it was a complete throw away episode that wasn't even all that good on its own... but worse because it introduces two interesting things that it discards by the end of the episode!
Which... also kind of had the gems acting really unnaturally (though in all fairness... they might have been TRYING to act extra civil)
And featured the juiciest pumpkin in existence.
I guess I am kind of disappointed... Though I am noticing how much the Gems know about human/Earth culture SEEMS to be based on whatever the writer thinks it the funniest.
Post by: Comrade P. on November 18, 2016, 03:04:02 am
Really, many weeks of waiting for this? Sort of underwhelming.
Post by: Putnam on November 18, 2016, 04:45:27 am
Post by: Comrade P. on November 18, 2016, 04:50:52 am
Post by: Edmus on November 19, 2016, 06:25:55 am
I think the episode suffered for having to juggle so many characters though.
Post by: Neonivek on November 19, 2016, 06:27:11 am
You guys set my expectations so low again that I quite enjoyed it. :D
I think the episode suffered for having to juggle so many characters though.
Glad to be of service! now if you will excuse me I need to ruin Adventure time for everyone! *woosh*
Post by: Solifuge on November 20, 2016, 01:08:03 am
For plot reveals, we saw that Steven's plant minions aren't absolutely loyal to him (even if it was just a gag). Interesting to see how Greg skipped out on his family, changed his name, etc. I sense a future backstory? Also, judging by how the camera lingered on Andy's hair at the end of part 1, is Marty a relative of Greg's too? And does that make Steven related to Onion, Sour Cream, and Vidalia?
Just a few things to like about it.
Post by: JimboM12 on November 20, 2016, 08:25:43 am
Post by: Folly on November 20, 2016, 09:28:04 am
After a season plagued by filler(albeit intellectually stimulating filler), the finale has left us with a cliffhanger that promises the next season will see some significant progression to the greater story, with Finn finally meeting other humans and learning about his past.
I'm still sad that it has to end in 2018, but at least it looks like it's going to be a fun ride until then.
Post by: Neonivek on November 20, 2016, 12:05:05 pm
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I loved the scene around the table
I couldn't have hated that scene more... but that is because I loathe sacrine fakeness. The kind I got a lot as a child.
But I figured it was supposed to be fake. So don't take it as criticism for the scene so much that I saw it as annoying and fake (The Crystal Gems don't typically act that way and Pearl tends to act that way out of condensation, something that puts her at odds with the other Gems)
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I watched the Adventure Time Finale... and... Frankly...
If it is a sign of what is to come... It would be better if Adventure Time ends next season... or just right now.
I LOVE Adventure time but the problem wasn't that it was "Ridden with filler" the problem was that the writing fell into a horrible vortex of despair... and it still hasn't climbed its way out of it... which is sad because before the Finale I actually thought it had.
Why do I say this? Well for two reasons
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Post by: Folly on December 03, 2016, 02:29:01 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on December 03, 2016, 06:30:06 pm
I just read that Rick and Mortey season 3 is expected to have only 3 episodes when it premieres this March. My disappointment knows no bounds.
RRROOOIIILLLAAANNNDDD!!!
Post by: Jimmy on December 03, 2016, 06:33:04 pm
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/rick-and-morty/248392/rick-and-morty-season-3-premiere-date-preview-trailer-and-more (http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/rick-and-morty/248392/rick-and-morty-season-3-premiere-date-preview-trailer-and-more)
Rick and Morty Season 3 confirmed at Magic City Comic Con to be 14 episodes.
Post by: Neonivek on December 03, 2016, 06:35:24 pm
It would mean we would actually get an ending to a show :P
Post by: Jimmy on December 03, 2016, 06:38:57 pm
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/rick-and-morty-season-3-release-date-delayed-new-episodes-may-not-premiere-until-2017-571031 (http://www.idigitaltimes.com/rick-and-morty-season-3-release-date-delayed-new-episodes-may-not-premiere-until-2017-571031)
Post by: Neonivek on December 03, 2016, 08:48:55 pm
And before you go "Future vision!" I should state that future vision is a calculation machine based around known variables.
I actually would have preferred if instead of it being a "Future Vision" joke, that Garnet actually did think Babies need to shave :P
Post by: Comrade P. on December 04, 2016, 02:12:24 am
Post by: Folly on December 04, 2016, 03:51:01 pm
I find it weird that Garnet believes that Steven will need a shave in the future.
And before you go "Future vision!" I should state that future vision is a calculation machine based around known variables.
The faults of the calculation machine may be the reason why Garnet mistakenly believes that Steven will need to shave soon. She has very limited experience with humans, presumably only having spent time around adult males, she would have observed their facial hair growing and assumed that human males of all ages grow facial hair and therefore Steven would need to shave soon.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on December 05, 2016, 10:26:39 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yco11ZQ0UE
Post by: Comrade P. on December 05, 2016, 11:27:56 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on December 05, 2016, 11:31:57 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on December 12, 2016, 06:45:16 pm
I have never been so sad and happy at the same time--what a show.
Post by: Max™ on December 12, 2016, 07:01:37 pm
Post by: Zangi on December 12, 2016, 07:03:24 pm
While we're on subject of pilots, I like this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l940bPkV1o)That pettiness, it burns.
Post by: Furtuka on December 22, 2016, 05:58:55 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on January 03, 2017, 05:56:13 pm
Post by: Solifuge on January 03, 2017, 06:27:33 pm
Loved Pearl's sassy monologue at the end, complete with piano backup. Very cathartic.
Post by: Neonivek on January 03, 2017, 07:20:52 pm
It is more like the start of the next chapter then the end of the current one.
Though Cartoon Network's advertisement was pretty much LIES LIES!!! STOP LYING!!! :P
Post by: Comrade P. on January 04, 2017, 07:02:37 am
Spoiler: Iconic appearance in Message Received (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Latest appearance in That Will Be All - spoilers, sorta (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on January 04, 2017, 09:37:51 am
Post by: Sergius on January 04, 2017, 04:42:01 pm
She was doing her angry face meme thingamajig, like this I, I think
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This is what she looked like before getting all worked up:
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So there's some prettifying but not to the extent that is being claimed.
Post by: Folly on January 06, 2017, 01:02:30 pm
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Post by: Comrade P. on January 06, 2017, 01:11:36 pm
I find it suspicious that Peridot and RoseSpoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: eerr on January 06, 2017, 06:07:57 pm
Final Space looks pretty lit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yco11ZQ0UE
Man a little Sci Fi makes me nostalgic for the glory days of Star Trek.
But, that voice isn't the cool and calm Picard, Data, or Riker, which makes me sad.
Post by: Folly on January 07, 2017, 01:28:20 am
Post by: Oneir on January 07, 2017, 06:27:37 pm
Spoiler: Steven Bomb (click to show/hide)
Post by: Putnam on January 07, 2017, 06:36:03 pm
Post by: Oneir on January 07, 2017, 08:05:39 pm
it's a comic by an SU crew and a homestuck art team person afaik
Spoiler for...consistency, I guess.
Spoiler: Steven Bomb (click to show/hide)
Post by: Comrade P. on January 10, 2017, 12:20:55 pm
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Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on January 10, 2017, 01:24:55 pm
Final Space looks pretty lit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yco11ZQ0UE
Man a little Sci Fi makes me nostalgic for the glory days of Star Trek.
But, that voice isn't the cool and calm Picard, Data, or Riker, which makes me sad.
Okay--dude had to pay for all the animation himself and had no money for voice actors. That wasn't a CN produced thing--that was his pitch presentation. It's going straight to series, where Ill assume he'll be getting some actual voice actors and equipment.
Post by: Comrade P. on January 23, 2017, 03:50:04 am
Post by: MrWiggles on January 23, 2017, 05:09:08 am
Post by: Comrade P. on January 23, 2017, 05:33:44 am
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on February 12, 2017, 12:17:51 am
http://popwrapped.com/samurai-jack-fifth-season-trailer/
Jack's back.
EDIT: I have watched this trailer at least 25 times already. No joke. It's amazing.
Post by: Max™ on February 12, 2017, 12:26:58 am
Post by: Neonivek on February 12, 2017, 12:33:48 am
Steven Universe forgot the Rubies... AGAIN!
I wouldn't care so much except well... leaving immortal beings adrift endlessly in space is an extremely cruel punishment. At least in their gem form their sense of time is limited (how far they are aware of it is inconsistent)
To admit they could have bubbled-teleported them (I would have assumed a sort of... distance limitation), so hopefully they show their gemstones next episode... But goodness!
Post by: Folly on February 20, 2017, 06:07:39 pm
"The point of Earth-magic is to allow yourself to be entertained, by pretending that it's real. Just like love."
Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2017, 05:17:47 pm
I don't think the "Karate" they use on the show is "Karate"
Then again apparently that is one of their more subtle jokes and makes perfect sense given the source of his specific style.
It is one of the few times I've seen a show open itself up to "Hey! That isn't real!" and it just going "Yeah, get it?" :P
Though sure will be embarrassing if it turns out it is completely accurate and I am speaking completely out of my butt. Though I swear it is just a mish mash of martial arts most of the time.
Post by: Folly on February 22, 2017, 12:01:48 am
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Of course, after 'Running with Scissors'...
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Regarding Marco's ability to fight before that, the currently prevailing theory is that he is simply a 'child of destiny', imbued by the powers that be with super-human focus and determination so that he can grow as strong as he needs to in preparation for an eventual battle of good vs evil against Star.
Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2017, 06:55:31 am
Since while... yeah... The Karate he learns is clearly fake. It is at least something.
Plus the monsters kind of suck at everything.
Or rather... Marco knows martial arts... Though it certainly isn't Karate.
(THEN AGAIN!!!! Him being good at martial arts is a debatable thing too. Given that he has never defeated a 8 year old child in martial arts. So it is very viable that everyone else just sucks more than him)
Post by: Comrade P. on February 23, 2017, 05:34:06 am
Post by: Solifuge on February 23, 2017, 06:00:56 am
I guess wandering aimlessly in the cyberpocalypse for a decade will do that to you.
Post by: Comrade P. on February 23, 2017, 07:03:17 am
OH MY GOODNESS HE'S SO EDGY NOW.
I guess wandering aimlessly in the cyberpocalypse for a decade will do that to you.
Half a century, actually, minus biological aging (dissociation of mind and body conditions, can't possibly be good for mental health) [see trailer released earlier]
The only thing that bothers me about this new season is that they apparently left the sound effects as they were ten years ago - very, for the lack of better word, cartoonish. All these swooshes and audible twists and all that, it was kind of annoying back then, and it didn't change a bit.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on February 23, 2017, 03:39:56 pm
Post by: Neonivek on February 25, 2017, 09:37:32 am
I am surprised it can get past the censors to have some muscle dude slather his chest in oil in a suggestive pose.
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On a side note...
Man I like Renaldo as a character (the conspiracy guy in Steven Universe) I really do... But man are the episodes about him or strongly featuring him almost always so unpleasant to sit through.
The only one I think I like still (since the haunted house one is worse in retrospect) like is definitely the documentary.
Post by: Oneir on February 25, 2017, 11:29:15 am
On a side note...
Man I like Renaldo as a character (the conspiracy guy in Steven Universe) I really do... But man are the episodes about him or strongly featuring him almost always so unpleasant to sit through.
The only one I think I like still (since the haunted house one is worse in retrospect) like is definitely the documentary.
I'm not even sure I like him as a character? The haunted house episode I still like (not sure what you mean about it being worse in retrospect), since I like seeing nerdy characters get to share interests that don't turn into them ranting and raving at each other. But pretty much every other episode he's just this aggressively awkward weirdo.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 25, 2017, 11:34:31 am
The current episode just didn't sit right with me because I've been in that exact situation...
"Ohh lets give him a chance, except we won't REALLY give him a chance... Ohh look people who are advancing and doing stuff and your stuck behind"
So you know... of course Renaldo had to be a total jerk. :P
And then he learned his lesson at the end except not really.
Or rather... I think the writers think he is funnier then he comes off for me. He isn't a lovable self-absorbed jerk.
Post by: Folly on February 25, 2017, 10:33:45 pm
Well I just saw the oddliest sexy thing I ever seen in a cartoon.
I am surprised it can get past the censors to have some muscle dude slather his chest in oil in a suggestive pose.
I'm not sure what you're referring to...but there's aren't really any hard rules regarding animated nudity on basic cable. I've seen uncensored breasts and genitalia on comedy central lots of times. It's basically just whatever the network wants to allow.
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The Amazing World of Gumball s5 e18, The Console
This is easily my new favorite episode of this show. I could not stop laughing the entire time I was watching it.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on February 26, 2017, 05:01:56 pm
Well... It's hard not to love Gaspatcho I guess.
Post by: Jopax on February 26, 2017, 05:08:04 pm
Compared to say that other random based show of the time Regular Show which while pretty decent at times just felt forced and contrived for the most part. The insanity moments were much more jarring for some reason and it rarely felt like they were a natural part of the world.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on February 26, 2017, 05:12:54 pm
I mean there's a fair number of LOL SO RANDOM XD shows--we're kind of at an end of an era here, as Adventure Time is going down the shitter/ending, but idk... Adventure Time is probs my fav or The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack.
Post by: Jopax on February 26, 2017, 05:17:43 pm
Post by: Neonivek on February 26, 2017, 05:19:59 pm
Chowder was even better imho, shame it didn't last too long. Again, the same type of perfectly logical insanity but I'd say with even better jokes than Gumball or Flapjack (which was nice mostly for the style and the horror I guess). AT is it's own category since it has something approaching an overarching plot that actually advances.
Chowder had humor that was rather hit or miss with a lot of people
And frankly... I'd say 80% of the episodes were rather forgettable or even not all that good.
However! MAN were the remaining 20% really good. Heck it even had the PERFECT ending to the series! (and frankly I am tired of shows that just end without a resolution).
Post by: Max™ on February 26, 2017, 11:16:09 pm
Lest we all forget, Squidbillies had the Sheriff forced to walk out on a stage at a school presentation in what was basically a giant foam goatse. Dan Halen even said "you get your giant foam cock-n-balls out there!" and he kinda shuffles out with this "god I am so sorry kids" look on his... face.Well I just saw the oddliest sexy thing I ever seen in a cartoon.
I am surprised it can get past the censors to have some muscle dude slather his chest in oil in a suggestive pose.
I'm not sure what you're referring to...but there's aren't really any hard rules regarding animated nudity on basic cable. I've seen uncensored breasts and genitalia on comedy central lots of times. It's basically just whatever the network wants to allow.
Post by: WillowLuman on February 27, 2017, 03:54:52 am
Anyone seen Kubo and the Two Strings?
Post by: Comrade P. on February 27, 2017, 06:47:10 am
Following the awards, I wanna take some time to look back on the animated films of last year.
Anyone seen Kubo and the Two Strings?
Yeah, it's pretty good.
I'm glad Jack has the kaching/whapish/boosh stuff in it still, and I'm glad he's all bearded and gruff and sick of this shit now. Though I don't recall anything which would explain why he isn't using his sword, but I guess that will be explained in-show?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ppMe1I0xVo8
This bit was the promise of a sequel I waited ten years for. Hope they don't forget it. Also, Jack is parted with his sword in that very scene, I believe.
Post by: Max™ on February 27, 2017, 08:39:55 am
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Post by: Comrade P. on February 27, 2017, 01:48:21 pm
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Post by: Comrade P. on February 27, 2017, 04:21:33 pm
Well, it's more that Genndy just kinda plunks down a bit of story where he feels it needs to be, but having S3E6 as chronologically the last before the new season seems a bit too far, yanno?
Yeah, I kind of agree with you there. But hey, that's why Genndy brought Jack back [in black 8)] - to give the story a proper ending.
Post by: Comrade P. on February 28, 2017, 12:19:29 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on February 28, 2017, 12:57:13 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on February 28, 2017, 01:10:15 pm
According to Genndy himself he would have much rather had a coherent story, but [adult swim] forced him to make it more episodic so episodes could be shown out of order on reruns.
Hold on, are you talking about upcoming season 5 that will be broadcasted on [adult swim], or the first four that were out of chronological order on its big brother CN?
Post by: Folly on March 04, 2017, 01:19:11 am
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Post by: Neonivek on March 04, 2017, 01:23:44 am
Honestly the show is like some sort of sadistic roller coaster where you slowly inch towards a great climb, finally do down that hill and then ERRRRRRR the cart hits the breaks and goes slowly up another hill once more.
It is really tiring... Don't get me wrong filler can be great, you just need great filler... But Steven Universe's filler feels like filler.
I am dreaming of the days of Naruto with its endless chaff of filler... See what you are doing to me Steven Universe? I want Naruto Filler!
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Also I really got to catch up to Archer...
I actually like that the show caught its groove eventually... Its worst moments were REALLY bad (at least to me... maybe you liked the humiliation parade involving Syrille which only existed as a way to destroy his relationship in order to thrust Archer into the love seat... As you do)
Post by: Edmus on March 04, 2017, 01:52:26 am
Edit: That episode didn't feel like filler to me, it was pretty dang good.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 04, 2017, 04:10:24 am
According to Genndy himself he would have much rather had a coherent story, but [adult swim] forced him to make it more episodic so episodes could be shown out of order on reruns.
Hold on, are you talking about upcoming season 5 that will be broadcasted on [adult swim], or the first four that were out of chronological order on its big brother CN?
The original--he's specifically waited so long to make season 5 so he could do something more akin to Stranger Things in terms of extreme character development.
Post by: Oneir on March 04, 2017, 10:25:35 am
I feel like filler is most painful when you're being drip-fed episodes. It doesn't matter nearly so much when you're binging. I really prefer the releases in blocks.Maybe, but I think the random releases of the Steven Bombs hurts more than it helps for me. Especially since that makes the leaks way more frustrating. (or, worse, the inexplicable non-leaks like this last January where Cartoon Network just tossed them out to the streaming sites for some reason.) Some of them have been great, obviously, but I don't remember how many of those had notable low-stakes episodes in the middle.
I liked Tiger Philanthropist, though! Not every episode has to feed the myth arc, it's nice to just see them explore characters and show them growing in little ways. Your average sitcom show would do something like this, but there wouldn't be the same markers of character growth.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 04, 2017, 12:45:53 pm
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Ultimately my issue isn't that the show has Filler or even a lot of filler. (Mind you Naruto had WAAAAY too much...)
It is that it is filler designed to be filler. They aren't trying to cram value in the filler, it is just a tasting tray of ideas.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 04, 2017, 12:52:44 pm
I need to catch up on Steven Universe, hope to do so later today.
AFAIK, Archer season 8 is going to be a coma dream?
Post by: Neonivek on March 04, 2017, 12:58:31 pm
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Note: I put things in spoilers because man... Steven Universe rubs me the wrong way. I feel like I could complain for hours and I like the show.
I need to be thankful this wasn't Adventure Time.... THAT show self-destructed. Steven Universe is still good, it just has pacing issues, filler issues, and its plot dissonance is too great for a show with strong continuity... Basically it is a Bad anime.
Post by: Folly on March 04, 2017, 03:59:11 pm
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Post by: Neonivek on March 05, 2017, 01:51:23 pm
I don't mind SU non-plot episodes as long as they're not Ronaldo episodes.
Or Lars episodes... Which I guess I would be fine with but DANG IT SADDY! Dump his butt!
Post by: Neonivek on March 05, 2017, 01:55:52 pm
Because Steven and Connie are in a relationship clearly. Yet their combined form eventually eats at them and lacks the emotional solidarity of their separate forms.
Assuming it IS symbolic... Could it be a relationship that they went into fully absorbed into one another but in doing so they lost what made their relationship so special, or their individuality?
I dunno >_<
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 05, 2017, 03:39:47 pm
I've always taken SU as a slice-of-life show, whose purpose is... to portray the normalcy of boring everyday life...
This is why I don't like SU. I'm not really sure why people want to see that kind of thing.
Post by: Neonivek on March 05, 2017, 04:03:16 pm
I've always taken SU as a slice-of-life show, whose purpose is... to portray the normalcy of boring everyday life...
This is why I don't like SU. I'm not really sure why people want to see that kind of thing.
Ehh it sounds like the definition of a flat out bad Slice of Life show.
While the point of a Slice of Life show varies... Its main purpose is to be grounded and more true to life as opposed to a more dramatic stance.
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It is best thought that the Beach City is "The reason". Beach City is the life Steven wants to protect. Mind you this is becoming less and less true as the show goes on and it feels more and more like the show is actually two completely separate shows.
Post by: Putnam on March 07, 2017, 12:23:32 pm
I've always taken SU as a slice-of-life show, whose purpose is... to portray the normalcy of boring everyday life...
This is why I don't like SU. I'm not really sure why people want to see that kind of thing.
i find it completely fair that you don't like slice of life, but i can't imagine how you can seriously say "i don't see why people would like it".
Post by: Neonivek on March 07, 2017, 12:53:37 pm
I've always taken SU as a slice-of-life show, whose purpose is... to portray the normalcy of boring everyday life...
This is why I don't like SU. I'm not really sure why people want to see that kind of thing.
i find it completely fair that you don't like slice of life, but i can't imagine how you can seriously say "i don't see why people would like it".
Because someone JUST described slice of life as "Intentionally boring" to someone who probably doesn't know what slice of life is.
And frankly "Intentionally boring" is a really bad description and is why slice of lifes are often really bad (What a coincidence that the good ones aren't long boring slogs)
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 07, 2017, 01:23:11 pm
Steven Universe's world and sci-fi elements are top-notch, extremely original, and dazzling at times. A lack of a strong plot is something that I personally hate. Adventure Time is similar in that regard, but shows pretty intense character and even world development throughout its series... and predictability, it's worst episodes are the ones that are the most random and/or idyllic. Of which there are a fair amount.
In short, I hate slice of life. I have seen very few good ones, because frankly, life is boring.
Post by: Neonivek on March 07, 2017, 01:29:27 pm
Most slice of life shows are VERY alien to human experience.
Things stick to people in real life and become lingering thoughts as the day or days pass. OR they allow it to fester inside them as it takes its quiet toll.
In Slice of Life... typically (because Slice of Life is like Romantic Comedies... the bulk are terrible) nothing sticks. Nothing can penetrate the skull of these characters. If something sticks it is typically backstory or continuous from the past.
Hey remember in Bojack Horsemen where he starts on Self-help tapes and tries to change himself little by little that way? In a Slice of Life if they somehow listened to those tapes they probably wouldn't do anything and that is that.
Which is why I challenge the whole "Real life" aspect of Slice of Life... because nothing is further from the truth... in fact it is an insulting statement to anyone who is a living being. (which is why I think the main audience for Slice of Life are aliens and robots. They would be the only ones who could misunderstand human experiences enough to buy into it)
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But that is why I don't like most Slice of Lifes anyway and hope Steven Universe avoids them like the plague.
Slice of Life typically devolve into anti-plot and anti-characterization.
Why? Well that is a good question. Because mostly the good slice of lifes tended to have an overall message of "Life is good". So it would present a drama that would upset what was otherwise an ordinary life, and thus the final act returns everything to normal, maybe a bit better than before.
So other shows imitate that arc, but don't really understand it.
As well the reason why it is "Intentionally boring" is because... it wasn't supposed to be intentionally boring at first. It is supposed to be an appreciation of the little things and the little moments that make up your life and how they add up together. Well that or sort of thematic scene setting (There is a reason why some shonen shows start off with people eating breakfast)
Suffice it to say... The issue with Slice of Lifes is that there is a LOT of imitation, but very little understanding of how those elements are meant to be used.
They are Battlefield Earth Dutch Angles.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 07, 2017, 01:37:43 pm
Also, you're pretty wrong. The most famous slice of life cartoons are, in fact, extremely relatable. I.E. King of The Hill, Hey Arnold, etc.
Those tend to be shows I like, but don't love. The only reason "Slice of life"s persist is because they're clever enough to create an alternate reality by which to create new rules for characters that are funny. Distinctly separate from our own reality.
In the end, even the most frozen shows, in which things change as little as possible between episodes, some development is required. Bojack Horseman is actually particularly bad about it, because they'll develop Bojack and just have him regress. Ugh.
EDIT: Also, being episodic doesnt necessarily mean the show is slice-y.
Post by: Neonivek on March 07, 2017, 01:43:44 pm
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The most famous slice of life cartoons are, in fact, extremely relatable. I.E. King of The Hill, Hey Arnold, etc.
Those aren't Slice of Lifes :P those are Sitcoms.
Even transported into anime genres they aren't slice of lifes.
Yes that includes Hey Arnold... which is the most grounded of examples... But wouldn't qualify.
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EDIT: Also, being episodic doesnt necessarily mean the show is slice-y.
Silly you didn't catch on did you? Most Slice of Lifes might have continuity, strong continuity. But they often treat their shows like they were episodic.
I'll put it this way. In the Slice of Life I am watching the ONE thing our main character wanted was someone who could relate to his experiences. He finds it... and ignores it... on and on.
Why? Because that happened last episode :P
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 07, 2017, 02:34:07 pm
Slice of life isn't a genre... it's a way story is told.
EDIT: It IS considered a genre for manga/anime, but I have never seen it referred to as such outside of that context.
EDIT2: Furthermore... Something that is a slice of life is exactly that: showing a person's day. Bojack Horseman is a great example. Both of it's positive and negative aspects. Adventure Time as well--it's worst episodes anyways.
Post by: Neonivek on March 07, 2017, 02:40:18 pm
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Then again is that Animal Crossing movie part of the Slice of Life genre? Hmmm I'd have to check...
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 07, 2017, 02:50:47 pm
Likewise, a show whose humor is based upon situational comedy does not disqualify it from being a slice of life.
See... the thing with "slice of life" is that it's almost always used a pejorative. That's because most TV show episodes take place in a day--so if that were the only qualifier, then every television show would be slice of life. Take 24 for example. The whole SEASON happened in a single day, yet that is not at all a slice of life. Every story is showing you a slice of a character's life--yet slice of life generally refers to something so boring and mundane as to be pointless to actually show someone.
Also, I'd argue that the use of Melodrama is a clear indicator of something being slice of life.
EDIT: Generally speaking, slice of life is only ever used to describe something bad. Good shows are genre defining and are rarely thought about as slice of life, even if that's technically what they're doing.
Post by: Neonivek on March 07, 2017, 03:04:43 pm
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Someone being murdered in a story does not make that story a murder mystery
Yes... it is almost like "How it is told" creates a genre :P
Slice of Life is DEFINATELY not a pejorative no more then Romantic Comedy is... but yes it is often said in negative tones... due to the general quality level of the genre.
Horror escapes this. Even though... It probably is the worst off in terms of being terrible in general with a few stand outs...
Then again that is why you don't judge an entire genre based on the bad examples... though be wary if you see that genre pop up :P
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a show whose humor is based upon situational comedy does not disqualify it from being a slice of life.
Yes but there is sort of a difference between how a Slice of Life holds itself and how a Situational Comedy holds itself.
The Yokai series I was talking about is frequently comedic. The difference is that when it is serious (and it is every single episode) it is serious.
Hey Arnold tries to defuse the more serious moments with zaniness. Helga cannot just admit she loves Arnold any ordinary way... she must wax poetic with long grandstanding speeches about her love and how great he is.
A show definitely can be both a situational comedy AND a slice of life... But it doesn't achieve it just by being a situational comedy alone. Otherwise Slice of Life is just a setting "Takes place in real life".
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I'll put it this way... Why isn't Sailormoon a Slice of Life even though it takes place in reality in an ordinary world with a school? Is it because it deals with supernatural qualities?
Why isn't School Days a slice of life? It has no supernatural aspects and its plots are ones you would see in real life. In fact its plot is very similar to Hey Arnold.
But then again I think I know what definition you are using:
A Slice of life is a show that takes place in a mostly real life setting where the main source of plot/drama is from real life situations.
So... Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a Slice of Life :P
Post by: Max™ on March 07, 2017, 05:36:14 pm
Steven Universe has plot arcs, learning about being a gem/battling gem monsters > learning where the gem monsters came from > uncovering the background of the world and where the characters fit in > uncovering the relations to the war and why the rebellion happened, with the sorta cross-arc links like peridot across the first two, trying to find jasper in the second and third, and the links from revelations due to both coming across into the war framing.
Compare that to something like the old school Warner Bros Cartoons, here's bugs screwing with people, here's the roadrunner/coyote, here's sylvester and tweety, every time they come up they're just dropped into whatever situation they're in and they do whatever they're doing, but it doesn't really carry on outside of running gags like the coyote having ever sillier purchases from acme. There isn't even a consistent time period for the setting, the same bugs shows up in caveman type stories, war era stories, victorian stuff, far future buck rogers stuff, and so forth.
Have one where the episodes all kinda stand on their own but have a generally consistent time period and setting and we can see if it would fit slice of life.
King of the Hill has the whole progression over the series from "the boy ain't right" to the resolution with them grilling together.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 07, 2017, 06:34:08 pm
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... Honestly, my man. Everything you just said is so incredibly backwards. How a story is told does not a television genre make. There isn't a flashback genre or a narration genre. Genre describes the content of the show (as well as "form" and "style" though slice of life implies only that you are being shown a person's average day.) AND since everything is in fact, a slice of somebody's life, it is not a suitable reference by which to categorize a show.
Is it a pejorative? Maybe. I use it as one for sure. As a pejorative it comes to mean, as previously stated, something incredibly mundane and generally without conflict, with no direction, etc. and I have heard it used as such many a time.
Horror is a genre. When someone says something is horror you can expect to be scared, with slice of life you get no further information about the subject.
And also... What? A situtational comedy achieves everything because it is just that. Can you imagine The Office, but instead we just follow Jim around all day, he works, he gets groceries, he goes home, he kisses Pam, he falls asleep. That's slice of life. I mean... the only way to really depict it is as akin to soap operas.
Also, Hey Arnold could be very serious. Exploring the serious through comedy does not at all lessen the impact of a message.
Listen. At this point, I've become too lost to really hold any shows up as an example, but I'm an entirely confused as to your definition of slice of life, and it's context within the literary world.
Here's the definition, or one of many very similar ones: "A narrative technique in which a seemingly arbitrary sequences of events in a character's life are presented, often lacking plot development, conflict and exposition, and often having an open ending." -- Wikipedia
Nothing in that definition is good storytelling. Nothing in there makes me care or imparts any meaningful knowledge to me, and is thus, fucking worthless in the most literary sense.
AND, let's take it a step further--because Wikipedia provides not one, but two really good definitions. The other one is, "A very realistic depiction of everyday experiences in art and entertainment." Which is whatever. That part, I don't like either--as you can't really achieve that (and you shouldn't want to frankly.) The point is, I don't know what the fuck we're talking about any more. Literally, no idea. My assertion here is that "Slice of Life" is an experimental form of literature in which, nothing is said and no story is told in an attempt to impart some meaning from chance or lethargic non-action. Therefore, any show conforming to that is inherently worse off and has to work a lot harder to keep me interested. You can argue that is indeed what makes for bad writing.
To further address your last point, what you're describing is essentially the pseudo-genre of Literary Fiction. Another extremely bullshit idea that's stemmed from academia's poor handling of creative writing subjects. There is nothing more boring, dull, and downright bad than where our mundane reality reigns supreme and average people follow its inherent rules while attempting to solve ordinary problems.
I no longer have really much to say about any one cartoon in particular at this point. Steven Universe is a good show. Mostly because of it's world building. BUT, slice of life in television, and cartoons in particular are--to me--what makes television a vast wasteland.
Post by: Neonivek on March 07, 2017, 06:38:06 pm
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... Honestly, my man. Everything you just said is so incredibly backwards. How a story is told does not a television genre make.
I think there is a different in how we are defining our terms here.
Since what I said seems rather straight forward to "me". Then again I am me, so that is easy.
You instead took it, fairly might I add, as me saying that the medium through which a story is told is what makes genre.
When what I mean is more the framing and pacing can define a genre. A horror shot like a comedy, typically won't be a horror.
So I don't think we are so much disagreeing MOSTLY... but that we aren't on the same page.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 07, 2017, 06:49:50 pm
Second, genre is actually fairly nebulous insomuch as different genres actually combine often. Unfortunately for your example, Horror and Comedy cross over quite well. Look at Shaun of the Dead, Zombieland, even Krampus. Funny and scary. Genre is defined chiefly by content.
Post by: Neonivek on March 07, 2017, 06:52:52 pm
Unfortunately for your example, Horror and Comedy cross over quite well. Look at Shaun of the Dead, Zombieland, even Krampus. Funny and scary. Genre is defined chiefly by content.
Counter Example: Addams Family
Cross over can apply to any genre... you can mix and match anything.
You can even have a Action Comedy.
Yet even Shaun of the dead doesn't frame everything as a comedy.
Mind you there is one movie that intentionally misframed the movie (I forgot what it is called... American Psycho? I forget), where inspite the movie being framed as if our hero was right... you will slowly realize what a monster he is.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 07, 2017, 06:55:40 pm
EDIT: Not at all relevant to genre and that doesn't sound much like American Psycho at all.
Post by: Neonivek on March 07, 2017, 06:56:38 pm
No, not at all a counter example. You're just confirming my point.
Addams family isn't a horror.
Yet has all the horror elements and content. Even the sequel has a thriller-esk killer involved.
So what are you confirming?
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 07, 2017, 07:00:26 pm
No, not at all a counter example. You're just confirming my point.
Addams family isn't a horror.
Yet has all the horror elements and content.
It's a dark comedy with a macabre setting. Like I said, genres are fairly nebulous in how they cross over. My only point about genres was that "Slice of Life" wasn't one really.
EDIT: Also that genres cross over fluidly.
Post by: Neonivek on March 11, 2017, 03:25:28 am
But AT LEAST it finally... FINALLY deals with the Rubies.
Goodness Steven... I know you are extremely manipulative, but I didn't think you had such an evil streak.
Post by: Comrade P. on March 12, 2017, 03:23:24 am
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Post by: NullForceOmega on March 12, 2017, 03:51:39 am
I'm not sure about the design of those assassin girls tho', that muzzle-like mouth doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 12, 2017, 09:38:58 pm
On the one hand it is glorifying disabilities... (Also... yeah "I WEIRD!!!" is not an excuse for intentionally ignoring a few social graces)
On the other hand I really love the art direction near the end... and even the song somewhat.
Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2017, 12:20:04 am
I love the new Jack, it has already fulfilled everything necessary to make me happy.WHERE HOW WHEN
I'm not sure about the design of those assassin girls tho', that muzzle-like mouth doesn't sit well with me.
How do y'all watch thiiiiis. I want to get back to my childhood and
Post by: Max™ on March 13, 2017, 12:34:11 am
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Post by: Neonivek on March 13, 2017, 02:53:17 am
Which isn't an unfounded worry. Upgrading to a higher censorship rating has been known to cause shows to self-destruct.
Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2017, 06:26:29 am
I believe they also streamed it non-stop all sunday on adultswim dot comWe posted about it on the WTF thread :P me and itsnotlogical were all :'( because it was streaming...at a time most of the world is busy. But yeah :P I am grateful for this once more.
Well, kisscartoon dot se looks good to me.Thank you! :D
Post by: Folly on March 14, 2017, 01:12:16 am
Damn, Star. You really Star'd this one up.
Star vs tFoE S2E22, Starcrushed
You'd think Star would have learned her lesson in the last episode. *sigh*
Also, loved seeing Moon in action.
Post by: Neonivek on March 19, 2017, 03:25:52 am
Post by: Comrade P. on March 19, 2017, 11:02:33 am
Man... Samurai Jack is using its new rating.. and I thought last episode was particularly dark.
Yeah. I mean, holy shit, man.
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Post by: Comrade P. on March 20, 2017, 03:43:23 pm
I was stoked at the quality of this season's opener, but episode two blew me out of the water, I mean... depending on how the rest of the season goes, this is a masterpiece on par, or even exceeding Avatar TLA.
We should see it to the end and let the initial excitement die down before we make any claims like that. And I have a nagging feeling you're comparing the incomparable here. Can't put entire series on the scale with a single (rather short) season of another series.
But the creators really turned up all the right dials for this season - the animation quality, character design, the story... Everything's just so much better now. Not without flaws, still, but better than ever before in the show.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 20, 2017, 03:44:12 pm
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Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 20, 2017, 04:19:01 pm
-snippis maximum-
Agreed. Although, length doesn't necessarily matter. Look at Stranger Things, 8 episodes, but one of the greatest television shows ever. One amazing season is all you need. Anyways, yes, it's a little early--and im concerned about reconciling the light-heartedness of some parts with the dark intensity of others--but if they keep the pressure on... I dunno, it'll be great.
Post by: Comrade P. on March 20, 2017, 04:35:55 pm
Agreed. Although, length doesn't necessarily matter. Look at Stranger Things, 8 episodes, but one of the greatest television shows ever. One amazing season is all you need. Anyways, yes, it's a little early--and im concerned about reconciling the light-heartedness of some parts with the dark intensity of others--but if they keep the pressure on... I dunno, it'll be great.
Re: emotional contrast in Samurai Jack s05e02
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Re: short might be great
Definitely not saying show has to be long-running to be good. Case in point: Gravity Falls. Bloody masterpiece told in 2 seasons.
Post by: Neonivek on March 20, 2017, 05:53:58 pm
The look on Jack's face in that moment, not horror, or even disgust, just dejected acceptance.
Well it isn't like he hasn't killed people before.
Nor is there anything specific about this situation that calls for extra issues.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 20, 2017, 06:00:26 pm
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Post by: Neonivek on March 21, 2017, 02:13:12 am
Neo, Jack has never before killed a human in the entire run of the series
What about that episode where he fights a huge ton of assassins? He killed a whole bunch there and only spared the woman.
To my knowledge he has killed people before.
Actually it was one of the strengths of the series that both the innocent and guilty alike fell by his blade.
Post by: NullForceOmega on March 21, 2017, 02:15:48 am
Post by: Neonivek on March 21, 2017, 02:16:50 am
WORD OF GOD NEO. Genndy says Jack has never killed before, that is all, end of statement. The assassins are never confirmed dead by Jack's hand or blade. He only killed robots and eldritch things.
So... it wasn't an indiscretion shot...
He slashed them into unconsciousness?
Word of God just handed out a retcon!
Post by: NullForceOmega on March 21, 2017, 02:23:32 am
Jack not killing humans or other 'normal' beings has been a base principle of the series since it began (probably because it aired as a cartoon-cartoon originally.)
Post by: Neonivek on March 21, 2017, 02:24:27 am
Go watch it again, I just did in order to be sure. Lots of bodies on the ground, no blood, no oil, no verification of death.
Well yes. Yet I always assumed they were dead and it was just an indiscretion shot.
Even the scene itself suggests they are dead.
This feels a LOT like the whole... "Off a cliff" thing. Where as long as you don't find their corpse not only did the fall not kill them... But it also inexplicably healed whatever damage they took before they fell.
Post by: NullForceOmega on March 21, 2017, 02:27:29 am
Post by: Neonivek on March 21, 2017, 02:31:26 am
I don't know why you would think that when the series as a whole went out of its way to show what Jack was killing, machines and magical abominations. He spared every thinking creature he fought, unless it was a demon.
Well... his first move against the Scottsman was to lop off his head.
Then attempted to disembowel him... and then when his defenses were too strong... tried to break his sword.
It isn't that Jack was out for blood. It is that he understood what he had to do in the heat of battle and didn't hold back... and only as much as needed (he ONLY killed one non-combatant to my knowledge... and not willfully)
He wasn't a pacifist.
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I wonder what the chances that these people are Jack's children are.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 21, 2017, 08:09:11 am
Post by: Max™ on March 21, 2017, 08:20:28 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY4RAtFftR0
He killed Jack's hat, Jack killed his bagpipe, parried and dodged numerous strikes from what was clearly a very strong opponent and forced them to defend by aiming a neckshot.
Post by: Radio Controlled on March 21, 2017, 08:45:50 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2017, 08:55:42 am
I was stoked at the quality of this season's opener, but episode two blew me out of the water, I mean... depending on how the rest of the season goes, this is a masterpiece on par, or even exceeding Avatar TLA.How do you all watch this! D:
I've only seen the trailer and my inner child just hopped into the front and wanted to see it firsthand (just like...most things I miss thanks to time >_> and timezones)
There's a tad bit of a difference between being a pacifist and having a code to follow in what you do :PI don't know why you would think that when the series as a whole went out of its way to show what Jack was killing, machines and magical abominations. He spared every thinking creature he fought, unless it was a demon.
Well... his first move against the Scottsman was to lop off his head.
Then attempted to disembowel him... and then when his defenses were too strong... tried to break his sword.
It isn't that Jack was out for blood. It is that he understood what he had to do in the heat of battle and didn't hold back... and only as much as needed (he ONLY killed one non-combatant to my knowledge... and not willfully)
He wasn't a pacifist.
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I wonder what the chances that these people are Jack's children are.
Like when I saw Jack and the Scotsman out first, I figured they were testing each other out even if the blows seemed aimed at each other's bodies and all. One can actually wield a sword in a way to not kill.
Post by: Jimmy on March 21, 2017, 09:45:14 am
He must have flubbed his Knowledge (Arcana) check against constructs to think dem curves was robobootay though.
Post by: Max™ on March 21, 2017, 10:34:01 am
Though, can we all appreciate how gorgeous that art is?
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Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 21, 2017, 11:08:04 am
I was stoked at the quality of this season's opener, but episode two blew me out of the water, I mean... depending on how the rest of the season goes, this is a masterpiece on par, or even exceeding Avatar TLA.How do you all watch this! D:
I've only seen the trailer and my inner child just hopped into the front and wanted to see it firsthand (just like...most things I miss thanks to time >_> and timezones)
I've been bingewatching a lot of television lately as I move from film writer to tv writer in my film major--specifically towards cartoons. I watched some Samurai Jack cause I hadn't seen it when I was small and then BOOM, I watched the trailer for the new season--literally, without exaggeration, maybe 50 times--and it was so good... I knew I would be hopelessly on edge for the show.
Post by: Comrade P. on March 21, 2017, 04:32:44 pm
... I'm rewatching some of the old seasons.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 21, 2017, 04:33:33 pm
Guys. Saumrai Jack Season 4 episode 11 (Story of X9). See it and tell me you did not think "John Wick" at least once.
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Post by: WillowLuman on March 21, 2017, 04:37:24 pm
Nope. Doesn't make me think of that at all. Because I have no idea who or what the hell John Wick is, nor do I care.
For others that may be wondering, it's an action movie. Also, I'm caught up on Steven Universe again.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 21, 2017, 04:40:56 pm
He did kill one guy by turning him into leaves, to be fair (Episode 49: The Four Seasons of Death). But other than that, all the times you see him slashing at organics you can assume them to be disabling/crippling blows, not killing. Even if it seems unlikely they'd survive that or if there's an explosion short after that should have done them in, Jack didn't kill them. That's what word of god states (and has always stated, this isn't a retcon).
A Retcon is "Retroactive continuity" if the word of god is supplying information that supplies information or changes information to the past... that is what it is :P
Unless I guess it is a clarification on something that was very unclear.
Which frankly... Person gets slashed, falls down, isn't moving, isn't breathing, never shows up again, and Samurai Jack SPECIFICALLY spares someone else... Is kind of... not unclear. It is just this weird assumption of "Well you didn't actually SEE their internal organs on the outside, that means they are alive".
I mean it is a LOT more clear then Jet's kind of... honestly official death (mostly because... He was dying and how the heck could he have survived that?)
and forced them to defend by aiming a neckshot.
I dunno he seemed pretty surprised he blocked that.
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OHH MY GAWD!!!
Samurai Jack is the Akuma of the freeken cartoon universe!
Post by: Max™ on March 21, 2017, 05:18:40 pm
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Also, it looked more like the Scotsman noticed this was a dangerous attack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY4RAtFftR0) and as another superwarrior hasn't had that sort of thing happen in a while.
Post by: Neonivek on March 21, 2017, 05:21:00 pm
No one said she was dead.
Post by: Sirus on March 21, 2017, 05:23:23 pm
I mean, this is a universe with magic and cyborgs and magical cyborgs, so she might return, but she looks kinda dead in that still.
Post by: Neonivek on March 21, 2017, 05:27:55 pm
In cartoon logic it means it might have healed her. (actually that is a very good point me... TYPICALLY these types of deaths kind of leave themselves open to reversals)
OR! she might have been wearing a parachute.
Actually I think the higher rating means they might be less prone to the whole... "Well if you don't have a body, it means they are still alive" tendency a LOT of shows do... But I still can't put it past them.
Plus there being six of them means these are disposable female characters who are entirely interchangeable (IN YOUR FACE COBRA!). So there is no need to keep them alive.
Post by: Max™ on March 21, 2017, 06:00:00 pm
In all fairness do we know she is dead? I mean she only has a cut on her neck.Since her head didn't fall off but there was a big spurt of blood, that was probably a carotid artery being slashed open, possibly windpipe too, I can't blame them for not showing bubbles coming out if it was, and opening the carotid is the "off-switch" counterpart to the "sleep button" of applying pressure to it and the vagus nerve.
No one said she was dead.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 21, 2017, 07:15:55 pm
Post by: Sirus on March 22, 2017, 07:31:34 pm
Infinity Train. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY6kfVWv01k) It's a short done by the folks at Cartoon Network. I find myself hoping that an actual TV show of this is made some day...
Post by: Neonivek on March 22, 2017, 07:36:48 pm
Dude, she ded. Jack nearly de-fucking-capitated her. At least some of the others survive though as evidenced by the trailer.
While personally I know she is LIKELY dead.
This wouldn't be anywhere freeken close to the most "Yep dead!" I've seen characters bounce back from simply because they fell off a cliff, were in an explosion, or had a building collapse on them.
For example there was a character who was shot through the chest and fell into a pile of super caustic miasma. That person came back perfectly unscathed (And no clones or fake outs involved)
And yet it STILL wouldn't be the most "Yep dead!"... The #1 is probably the hardest to topple from its position.
Post by: Max™ on March 22, 2017, 08:54:46 pm
When the blood pressure in your brain drops quickly it triggers a little bundle of nerves in your neck which fires a signal straight down into the heart muscles saying "OH FUCK PUMP FASTER GODDAMMIT WE GON' DIE FOOL!" which usually helps turn a blackout into a bit of dizziness or recoverable greyout... but when your carotid is slashed open with a sword?
You're blacking out within a couple of seconds, and dead within thirty. She was out cold when her knees hit the ground, and by the time he turned look down the hall to see how far away the others were she was dead.
Post by: Neonivek on March 22, 2017, 09:18:07 pm
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Anyhow here is the LAW of fiction
If a character dies, but you do not have the body (or if said body gets obscured)... They not only might be alive, but whatever injury they might have had will be healed.
It doesn't matter how impossible to survive it might have been. In fact don't even expect an explanation.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 22, 2017, 09:32:50 pm
Anyhoo, @Sirus, ya Infinity Train is... interesting. A lot of support has been shown by fans for a short season to be made, but I doubt it will get a season for a few reasons, 1.) Though it's somewhat darker than most CN shows, it's not quite up [adult swim]'s alley it seems to me. 2.) Obviously, while having established a cult following, it's appeal is fairly limited methinks. 3.) It's not quite up to standards. I don't want to be overly harsh, but there's a lot missing in terms of art direction, voice acting, and plot-hooks. This could be for a number of reasons, but none of them good for the show.
PERSONALLY, I would like to see it get like a 10-13 episode season just to see what they can do with an actual budget, cast, and writing staff. Obviously, Owen Dennis (the show's creator, writer, and storyboard artist) is wickedly talented, and some parts of his writing are reeeaaallly good, but other parts are little stiff. IDK, It's up in the air for me.
Post by: Max™ on March 22, 2017, 09:36:36 pm
That's only a law in whichever fiction you're thinking of, and as it doesn't apply to any number of stories/characters in that same condition I'd say it can be safely ignored.
Tartakovsky wants to finish this story well, he's not going to just have her pop up "oh yeah, Jack, you never actually killed any humans, I'm fine, now I think your dad wants you to get in the giant robot unless you wake up or something" out of nowhere.
Post by: Neonivek on March 22, 2017, 09:40:10 pm
Lethally wounded, traumatic shockwave, and drowning. (Of course, I am going to bet... Someone is inexplicably around to save him.. Either that or the fall into the water healed his wounds)
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Actually I remember there was a joke I made while watching Samurai Champloo (I think that was its name)... Where I said that the main characters could not die so long as they were in water.
OHHH BOY was this hilariously true!
And lo and behold! Samurai Jack is critically injured, dying, and fell into water.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 22, 2017, 09:45:45 pm
Also, guys, Victor & Valentino is a good af pilot, and I hope it gets made for realsies.
Post by: Neonivek on March 22, 2017, 09:46:57 pm
Brah, she not coming back. Trust
I am not saying she will.
Just... don't be surprised. To admit next episode might feature them burying her body.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 22, 2017, 10:09:03 pm
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Post by: Comrade P. on March 23, 2017, 03:34:34 pm
The fights are superb. Among the best animated fights I've seen, really. Delightfully detailed without the usual cartoon-ish blur of hands and clouds of dust. They also blended CG and 2D pretty well.
Post by: Max™ on March 23, 2017, 04:38:34 pm
Post by: Radio Controlled on March 26, 2017, 07:29:43 am
Any of you keeping up with the new samurai jack episodes?
Ya enjoying this most recent one?
Cause I am.
Yeah, following along as it airs. It's pretty damn good, though for people who plan to binge watch it later I'd seriously advise to avoid any spoilers whatsoever (the comments above might already be a little risqué). The stakes are higher this season and it's no holds barred, so don't expect things to just revert to status quo at the end of each episode like in the original show.Spoiler: actual spoilery spoilers (click to show/hide)
Post by: Max™ on March 26, 2017, 03:05:15 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on March 26, 2017, 03:14:31 pm
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Post by: Comrade P. on March 26, 2017, 04:30:38 pm
Also, while we're remembering the oldies, Jack apparently got along with footwear different from his wooden sandals - he wore those heavy armored boots, after all, despite previous ineptitude with them.
Post by: Max™ on March 26, 2017, 05:05:53 pm
Also, man, those were brutal deaths, like "ultrastrong df adventurer against civilians" brutal.
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Post by: Max™ on March 28, 2017, 10:17:30 am
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It was a joke dude.Spoiler: Just gonna leave this here. (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Comrade P. on March 28, 2017, 03:51:20 pm
It was a joke dude.
Goddamit why do I fail to register those.
My bad.
Post by: Comrade P. on March 30, 2017, 02:55:00 pm
Spoiler: Look what I found (SJ S05E03 spoiler) (click to show/hide)
I audibly chuckled at some of those.
Post by: Max™ on March 30, 2017, 03:15:25 pm
>Samurai "talk shit, get cliffed" Jack was the best.Spoiler: Look what I found (SJ S05E03 spoiler) (click to show/hide)
I audibly chuckled at some of those.
Post by: Neonivek on March 30, 2017, 04:21:17 pm
He doesn't need his blood, in fact it only holds him back.
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Also I find it hilarious that I was SOMEHOW half-right about Samurai Jack's episode 2.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 31, 2017, 04:19:37 pm
If by half-right you mean right about an argument whose point you changed 99% through the conversation, then yes. You were half-right. Cheers, lad.
Post by: Neonivek on March 31, 2017, 04:21:10 pm
*sigh*
If by half-right you mean right about an argument whose point you changed 99% through the conversation, then yes. You were half-right. Cheers, lad.
In that the cave in did manage to heal her wounds.
It just didn't revive her :P
Also there was no point I changed at all. My ENTIRE argument was "You never know" which come to think of it... means I am still right :P
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 31, 2017, 04:30:16 pm
Post by: Neonivek on March 31, 2017, 04:32:00 pm
Dude. You clearly argued that we shouldn't be surprised if she came back to life. Why you gotta be this way?
There is no contradiction between this and what I just said. O-o
In fact they seem to be the exact same thing O_o
-Edit: I think the difference is you thought I was passive aggressively telling you that she was alive without confirming.
Post by: Comrade P. on March 31, 2017, 04:44:19 pm
Post by: Neonivek on March 31, 2017, 04:46:53 pm
Now accepting bets on how many assassins survived episode 3 ending.
It is definitely 1-3
I know 1 definitely survived and will be surprised if she is dead....
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 31, 2017, 04:47:44 pm
Now accepting bets on how many assassins survived episode 3 ending.
I will say, I am unsure of whether or not the lead one is actually dead. She seems like a semi-important character, but also her death monologue was henchman level at best.
Post by: Neonivek on March 31, 2017, 04:50:17 pm
Now accepting bets on how many assassins survived episode 3 ending.
I will say, I am unsure of whether or not the lead one is actually dead. She seems like a semi-important character, but also her death monologue was henchman level at best.
The problem with her just dying is how little Samurai Jack's speech actually applies to her. She never had a choice or choices. (Not to mention she isn't evil... just deluded and ignorant)
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Post by: Max™ on March 31, 2017, 05:48:28 pm
@Neo
Ok, sure, maybe the cave-in did heal her, let's consider that fairly.
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Of course, dried blood is damn near black, so hey, maybe the cave-in did heal her...
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Post by: NullForceOmega on March 31, 2017, 11:25:47 pm
Post by: Neonivek on March 31, 2017, 11:42:13 pm
I'd say that if fist-to-the-face girl didn't break her neck, she and leader girl are most likely to have survived, But I'm not counting spear girl out quite yet. Likelihood of lead girl being dead after Genddy's blatant foreshadowing is about nil.
It would be kind of disappointing. We already have had "victim dies at the hands of Jack" storylines.
I mean I know Jack became an anime character and no longer needs his blood...
But I HOPE that the plot didn't become anime and hates female storylines too.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 01, 2017, 09:07:11 pm
Post by: Putnam on April 01, 2017, 10:14:16 pm
If you guys didn't know, Season 3 of Rick and Morty has dropped (for real.) You can stream it on Adult Swim. It's schwiftiest episode yet!
the fuck it's not a lie
Post by: Max™ on April 01, 2017, 10:16:11 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 01, 2017, 10:17:45 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on April 01, 2017, 10:36:07 pm
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Now watch as the rest of season three doesn't air until June. That'd be the real April Fool's day joke.
Post by: Edmus on April 02, 2017, 12:21:29 am
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Post by: Comrade P. on April 02, 2017, 04:44:05 am
They showed Rick and Morty instead. S5E4 of Samurai Jack next week.
Next week?! Well I suppose I can handle that, but I feel a little cheated on regardless.
Post by: Folly on April 02, 2017, 10:28:33 am
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Post by: NullForceOmega on April 09, 2017, 05:48:59 pm
Post by: Max™ on April 10, 2017, 01:03:24 am
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 10, 2017, 12:42:38 pm
I was amused with Jack giving that "...I'm regretting not cliffing you more thoroughly" look several times.
I can't wait to marathon this season when it's complete, it'll be the greatest 8 hour animated movie ever made.
Post by: Max™ on April 10, 2017, 12:49:37 pm
Post by: Neonivek on April 10, 2017, 03:24:43 pm
Matches expectations so far, the foreshadowing in ep. 3 was really, really blatant, and I'm not sure why I haven't seen indicators of people picking up on it yet. Just going to say one thing on the subject, "Deer."
People IN GENERAL have a very "Do not think" attitude towards the media they absorb.
In fact it isn't unusual for people to give you the advice not to think period regardless of what you are watching (Not to not overanalyze... but not to think).
So the fact that people both don't see clear foreshadowing... and the fact that the slightest twist or trick explodes people's pants... Is endemic of that.
Or... Just listen in to any class on Shakespeare.
Post by: Folly on April 10, 2017, 03:59:40 pm
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Unrelated to the porn, here are a couple pictures I liked.
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Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 10, 2017, 04:01:13 pm
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Post by: Comrade P. on April 11, 2017, 12:53:56 am
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 11, 2017, 12:08:30 pm
Porn is for art what war is for scientific progress.
T-thats shockingly true.
Post by: Max™ on April 11, 2017, 02:38:34 pm
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2017, 12:26:09 am
Thanks, porn, for being a crucible for making art and character designs more visually appealing! :D
Post by: Comrade P. on April 16, 2017, 02:28:34 am
EDIT: Nevermind, found it.
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We are now halfway through the season.
Post by: Radio Controlled on April 16, 2017, 08:45:17 am
Hey guys, is new SJ episode out? Can't find it on my usual go-to's.
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We are now halfway through the season.
The beginning this episode was really great.
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Post by: Max™ on April 16, 2017, 11:11:11 pm
Also:
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Post by: Neonivek on April 17, 2017, 12:08:38 am
Is there a particular reason they could never make another sword that would work against Aku or a copy of the same sword?
I forgot why... (Actually I think I missed that episode... I missed all the flashbacks except the African tribe one)
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Probably not. We're not talking about the new season anymore, so no point in spoilering stuff indeed.
So what you're saying is that the Guardian could actually fend off Aku, the Shogun of Sorrow? That's a serious player in the universe, right there. I mean, we knew he was when he kicked Jack's butt in every form of combat, but is he this powerful? And then there is the portal that apparently had the mind of its own, and therefore some sort of agenda in all this.
Finally, I will point out that after rewatching the Jack vs Guardian fight, Jack appears to lose his sword there, as it's stricken out of his hands. Might it be the same scene we saw tinted in green in the new series?
Post by: NullForceOmega on April 17, 2017, 02:20:28 pm
And the Guardian is a monster, seriously, up to the point we encounter the Guardian, Jack has handily crushed all opponents (excepting the Imakandi, and barring certain instances where Jack requires some assistance), up to and including Aku, and the Guardian just flat-out wrecks him. There is an outside possibility that for narrative purposes Genndy will remove that avenue, but it seems unlikely.
It does seem likely that the Jack who is destined to use the portal is older still than the Jack we are currently following, as that Jack has grey in his hair and beard, and his face is lined. Current hypothesis regarding that is this: Jack defeats Aku in the future and then works to restore the world as its king (see: golden crown upon his brow in portal vision), then returns to the portal when he is ready in order to save the past.
Post by: Comrade P. on April 17, 2017, 02:42:20 pm
It does seem likely that the Jack who is destined to use the portal is older still than the Jack we are currently following, as that Jack has grey in his hair and beard, and his face is lined. Current hypothesis regarding that is this: Jack defeats Aku in the future and then works to restore the world as its king (see: golden crown upon his brow in portal vision), then returns to the portal when he is ready in order to save the past.
A viable theory, that Jack has years to live up to his prophesied image, but:
Pardon the vulgarity, but if Jack has successfully un-fucked the future while being there, why would he go back to the past that is still fucked? The evil that is Aku has been undone, that was the key part of the original pitch -- going back to the past wasn't a goal in its own right, it was a way to achieve the goal.
But there are those who perished in Aku's conquest and under his rule, I suppose - to save those, maybe it's a reason enough to go back in centuries and fight Aku all over again.
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Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 17, 2017, 10:03:56 pm
More to save his own people I think, I've got a long-standing theory that Aku cannot be permanently defeated, only contained or banished. The point of going to the past then would be to try to mitigate Aku's evil, after saving the future, Jack can travel to the past and undo what Aku wrought there. I'm actually expecting that during the final encounter between the two that Aku will reveal that this is exactly what happened, in an attempt to destroy Jack's will to fight, but that Jack will fight regardless of the futility because it is the right thing to do.
I kind of expect the series to end on this Moral Dilemma for jack. Does he go back in time to free the past and save his people at the risk of everything he's done in the future to be rendered pointless, all the people he's saved never born, etc., or does he accept all the evil Aku has done and try to fix the world as it is?
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Post by: i2amroy on April 19, 2017, 06:53:36 pm
More to save his own people I think, I've got a long-standing theory that Aku cannot be permanently defeated, only contained or banished.I mean, the gods did a pretty good job of wiping out 99% of the proto-aku in the birth of evil episode in the first series. (Though maybe it was just letting itself be destroyed to sneak that one piece out, in which case the idea that they could destroy it would be moot). Aku certainly wasn't destroyed when the sword beat him the first time in part 2 of the Birth of Evil though.
Post by: Folly on April 19, 2017, 09:42:56 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 19, 2017, 11:07:41 pm
New episode of Adventure Time is out. It's another excessively artsy one, fully of symbolism that I don't have time to analyze. But 'Orb' serves as a bridge to the 'Elements' miniseries that is supposed to air all next week, so that might be interesting.
If it was as bad as last season's finale, yikes.
Post by: Neonivek on April 19, 2017, 11:08:34 pm
New episode of Adventure Time is out. It's another excessively artsy one, fully of symbolism that I don't have time to analyze. But 'Orb' serves as a bridge to the 'Elements' miniseries that is supposed to air all next week, so that might be interesting.
If it was as bad as last season's finale, yikes.
Adventure Time is probably one of the only times I've experienced the state... where a show finally starts answering some questions... But where I don't care anymore.
Which is odd because I've definitely watched through LONGER series and still cared...
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 19, 2017, 11:49:45 pm
Post by: Folly on April 21, 2017, 05:10:30 pm
I liked it. Lots of jokes, most only worth a chuckle, but a few that were really creative and some genuinely hilarious. And all with story arcs full of twists and drama that could compete with DC or Marvel.
Renewal for season 3 already happened, and I'm looking forward to it.
Post by: Comrade P. on April 23, 2017, 03:14:17 am
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Post by: Neonivek on April 24, 2017, 07:03:27 am
Why? Because anime typically goes at a snail's pace. A single goal usually takes two episodes..
I am not used to TV shows actually going places.
Post by: Comrade P. on April 24, 2017, 10:52:05 am
I am not used to TV shows actually going places.
Well they do have to cram the entire season in 10 episodes.
Post by: Neonivek on April 25, 2017, 12:37:42 am
What stood out is apparently the servant's clothes smelled like mold (Which typically means they weren't dried or properly cleaned)... which I would think would be unacceptable. I can't imagine you would want someone hovering around you smelling rancid.
The other is that for dinner they had gruel (typical "EVIL GRUEL!" not... you know... actual Gruel) that tasted so salty as to be inedible...
And while they TYPICALLY didn't get anything special (Porridge, vegetable soup, bread and butter)... It wasn't terrible food after terrible food usually. There are exceptions on both ends of the spectrum mind you (There are a few famous cooks who were basically kitchen maids who served excellent foods to the other staff using simple ingredients)
Don't get me wrong... It still typically sucked for servants back then... But sometimes I feel like people are compensating for something and feel the need to suck things up even more.
A lot like how shows and movies aren't allowed to show a slave who isn't in perpetual agony and eternal despair.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 25, 2017, 09:59:01 am
Post by: MrWiggles on April 25, 2017, 09:17:39 pm
Post by: Neonivek on April 25, 2017, 09:22:51 pm
By god Samuria Jack is fucking awesome. It doesnt feel like there been years between seasons. They reframed it, they made it more mature without making it more gritty. I love how they're protraying Samuria Jack PTSD and night terrors. And the knight spectre following him, and what that was, was great. I love Aku now being used as this levity tool, trying to combat his enuii. And even while doing that, they still showed that he is this incredible force that can't be easily disregarded.
Honestly... I was... a bit.. surprised the spectre was real... I honestly thought it was a metaphor (I still wish it was)
A sort of Metaphorical Thanatos so to speak.
Post by: MrWiggles on April 25, 2017, 09:31:49 pm
Post by: Neonivek on April 25, 2017, 09:41:39 pm
There magic in this universe. A literal figure of of Honor doesnt seem so outlandish. Though I am not quite sure what it is. It seems more driven by Jacks guilt, then his actual honor.
My issue isn't that he was unbelievable or cheap.... (heck he could even be Hachiman... or a figment created by Aku).
It is more that... It would mean so much more if he wasn't real, if this is everything inside Jack's own mind.
When the spirit spoke it would seem like she is conversing with it, maybe even fighting with it, only to change angles and she is speaking with Jack..... Something along those lines.
It gives it a bit more meaning then having the spirit speak for Jack in Proxy.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 25, 2017, 10:23:40 pm
Post by: Neonivek on April 25, 2017, 10:24:46 pm
I think you should remember what kind of show Samurai Jack is. It's an action cartoon first and foremost. Comedy and Drama exist pretty much in equilibrium within the writing. Besides. It's still highly symbolic. The meaning is changed, but we've had quite a bit of Jack in his own head thus far.
I think arguing that Samurai Jack is a stupid show... isn't a reasonable argument.
Yes I know you are arguing more in favor that "Having it be a figment of his broken mind would mean there couldn't be a fight" but that is an even more... unreasonable argument.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 25, 2017, 10:47:23 pm
I think you should remember what kind of show Samurai Jack is. It's an action cartoon first and foremost. Comedy and Drama exist pretty much in equilibrium within the writing. Besides. It's still highly symbolic. The meaning is changed, but we've had quite a bit of Jack in his own head thus far.
I think arguing that Samurai Jack is a stupid show... isn't a reasonable argument.
"It is a cartoon, and an action show. It cannot possibly show psychology!"
Maybe you should dissect what I wrote a little more in depth before claiming that I, someone who LOVES the new season, is arguing that Samurai Jack is a stupid show. I said it's an ACTION cartoon first and foremost. That is 100% true. If you asked Genndy he'd say the same. The point is that there's a physical fight in every episode. Additionally, fuck you for talking out of your ass. We're on episode 6, which means we're basically somewhere between the Midpoint and the Act 2 break of the story arc, which is the point where the protagonist's emotional problems comes to a head. So it makes perfect sense for Jack's increasingly potent and debilitating guilt/shame/dishonor to manifest physically--Old SJ had similar fights spread throughout too.
In fact, it is ultimately much more symbolic than what you have suggested. While television is all about dialogue, short series like this, and animation especially--not to mention all media (for obvious reasons)--is a visual medium. We're literally watching Jack's consciousness battle it out with the dialogue between Ashi and the Spirit Samurai representing the conflicting forces in his head. Samurai Jack is film literature man, and it is SUCH a beautiful show. What more can you ask for than to watch Jack's emotional struggle unfold visually? What you suggest is A.) boring, and B.) way outside of Samurai Jack's style, which has always valued visual storytelling over dialogue... Which is what makes SJ so great to begin with, and indeed, one of the most innovative cartoons ever.
In short, shame on you for not appreciating--for not even recognizing--the fully realized and beautifully choreographed dance of Jack's (emotional) pivotal moment. Man, this episode was art--From Ep. 1-6, Jack's emotional journey has been one of the most compelling I have ever had the pleasure to watch, the whole series is art on a level not commonly aired on tv... and it's just over your head, dude. Way over.
Post by: Neonivek on April 25, 2017, 10:54:32 pm
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Wait a minute
In short, shame on you for not appreciating--for not even recognizing--the fully realized and beautifully choreographed dance of Jack's (emotional) pivotal moment. Man, this episode was art--From Ep. 1-6, Jack's emotional journey has been one of the most compelling I have ever had the pleasure to watch, the whole series is art on a level not commonly aired on tv... and it's just over your head, dude. Way over.I think you should remember what kind of show Samurai Jack is. It's an action cartoon first and foremost. Comedy and Drama exist pretty much in equilibrium within the writing. Besides. It's still highly symbolic. The meaning is changed, but we've had quite a bit of Jack in his own head thus far.
I think arguing that Samurai Jack is a stupid show... isn't a reasonable argument.
"It is a cartoon, and an action show. It cannot possibly show psychology!"
So are you saying that my words aren't necessarily how you feel? How odd isn't it? :P
Diana Troy do you have anything to say about this?
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 25, 2017, 11:05:07 pm
You miss all the nuances of Season 5 of Samurai Jack and you harshly criticize some of the smallest and least relevant aspects of the show, in detail. Not to mention your extremely shallow comparisons to both anime and these boring, stereotypical tropes that really do miss the mark on understanding the character's human struggles. Symbolism is the gateway into the mind of the characters, it is anything but disconnect--and again, you're wrong. The symbolism is pretty upfront about Jack's knowing involvement in his acceptance of the fact he has lost his way and his willful return to his quest-proper to defeat Aku. Bitch, YOU ARE SEEING THE CHARACTER GO THROUGH SOMETHING, HOW EFFING DENSE CAN YOU BE!?
I have to ask, I really do--do you really believe all the stuff you've said about Samurai Jack, or are you just trolling to rile me up?
EDIT: Neon, wtf are you even saying with that edit? You're so intentionally unclear and nebulous, it is incredibly frustrating.
Post by: Neonivek on April 25, 2017, 11:13:45 pm
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EDIT: Neon, wtf are you even saying with that edit? You're so intentionally unclear and nebulous, it is incredibly frustrating
I dunno. I don't even know why we are fighting... Nothing makes sense here.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 25, 2017, 11:35:24 pm
Here's an example. Though frankly, you haven't defended ANY of these points. Affirmation is superior to inference? Filmography 101? I think Wes Anderson might have something to say about that. And again, so vague. Give me an example. What would you change? WHY? As Andrew Stanton puts it, "Storytelling is the organized absence of information." To that end, WOULD the scene be stronger by having the Spirit Samurai purely a figment of Jack's imagination. Where is the tension then? Ashi just walks up and says "Yo, don't do it?" and Jack doesn't? How would Jack come to understand that his depression for lack of a better word is hurting the people he's sworn to protect and that suicide is the true dishonor? It's not like this scene is giving it away up front, SJ is a show that lets us put 2+2 together even though we know it's going to be 4.
I have to make up stuff you believe because you never ever explain yourself. Understand, that you ARE going to encounter resistance by just saying "Oh, this is part is bad." without explaining yourself at all. Which, by the way, is much different than merely saying "It's not my speed." If you make a point, be prepared to defend it, dude. I may not always be right, but my arguments are hella stronger than yours because you just don't say a thing at all.
Post by: Neonivek on April 26, 2017, 12:31:24 am
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Where is the tension then?
I don't know what you mean.
Post by: Neonivek on April 26, 2017, 01:14:01 am
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I think this puts the argument sufficiently to rest. Feel free to get your last word in (as my rule is the person to end an argument loses last word).
Post by: Max™ on April 26, 2017, 05:38:30 am
Neo, you may have noticed I don't get involved in back and forths with you, but maybe you haven't, either way, there's a reason for this: you act like people know your position and argument, even when you didn't write down key portions of it yet, but you almost seem to enjoy continuing onward without confirming or even trying to explain to others that they aren't actually responding in a fashion which is relevant to what you mean because that bit was left out.
The scoop bearded one is frustrated, understandably it appears from reading up thread a little bit. Now, I'm looking in from the outside here, but it seemed like you were making non sequiturs until that very last post where you went back to a much earlier post and gave something that might be an explanation of sorts, but an explanation for what is not clear, even if all the information was present.
Post by: Neonivek on April 26, 2017, 06:36:40 am
Post by: Comrade P. on April 26, 2017, 07:14:43 am
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis
[Ellipsis] usually indicates an intentional omission of a word, sentence, or whole section from a text without altering its original meaningAnd you just replace commas, colons, semicolons and periods with it on a whim. I used to make that mistake, too, until the same was pointed out to me in a similar fashion.
This is not a personal attack. No offence meant.
Post by: Neonivek on April 26, 2017, 07:35:22 am
I tend to use ellipsis to represent where I take natural pauses, as if I was actually speaking.
Though I've noticed that often times those are where commas would often be.
Post by: Jimmy on April 26, 2017, 09:58:14 am
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Post by: Comrade P. on April 26, 2017, 10:17:28 am
Post by: Folly on April 28, 2017, 05:01:22 am
Now I'm really sad that there's only one more season to go.
Post by: Solifuge on April 28, 2017, 01:22:57 pm
I liked how Betty was struggling with accepting Simon's
Post by: Comrade P. on May 05, 2017, 10:35:32 am
Now THAT was a plot advancement.
Unfortunately for us, the show is approved for season 5, so they're gonna drag it out a while longer.
Post by: Max™ on May 05, 2017, 12:43:58 pm
Post by: Neonivek on May 05, 2017, 08:51:53 pm
The sort of complicated emotions and how social anxiety can make you act in a way you don't want to.
Lets hope we keep that Lars.
Post by: Max™ on May 07, 2017, 12:12:10 am
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Post by: Comrade P. on May 07, 2017, 05:29:35 am
Spoiler: SJ S05E08 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Max™ on May 07, 2017, 01:25:28 pm
R.I.P. Samurai Beard
Episode XCII ~ XCVIII
Post by: Radio Controlled on May 07, 2017, 01:29:41 pm
Spoiler: SJ S05E08 (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Max™ on May 07, 2017, 02:02:14 pm
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Post by: hops on May 07, 2017, 02:03:35 pm
Spoiler: SJ S05E08 (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Radio Controlled on May 07, 2017, 02:31:57 pm
Spoiler: SJ S05E08 (click to show/hide)
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Post by: WillowLuman on May 08, 2017, 10:28:19 pm
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Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 08, 2017, 11:15:20 pm
Spoiler: "SamJ" (click to show/hide)
3.) Watched one episode of Adventure Time and thought, "wtf?"
Post by: WillowLuman on May 09, 2017, 10:31:01 am
Post by: Comrade P. on May 09, 2017, 11:00:38 am
3.) Watched one episode of Adventure Time and thought, "wtf?"
Binging at least three seasons of AT is equivalent to a dose of LSD. Binging five and more - to an LSD overdose.
Post by: WillowLuman on May 09, 2017, 11:14:59 am
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Post by: Neonivek on May 09, 2017, 11:58:47 am
Thankfully it seemed to be a... exterior poison?
Post by: Max™ on May 10, 2017, 06:19:39 am
Post by: Folly on May 10, 2017, 07:34:44 am
I'm surprised it took me until this most recent episode to realize, Jake's origins totally explain his ability to link dreams with people, and why he's always so obsessed with going out and exploring the universe and other planes of reality.
Post by: Comrade P. on May 14, 2017, 04:11:07 am
Spoiler: SJ (click to show/hide)
Called it.
Also, way to set up a finale, Genndy.
Post by: Max™ on May 14, 2017, 08:09:29 am
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Post by: Neonivek on May 14, 2017, 07:57:51 pm
Thought they were trying to make us care about her as a character to make what they just did more poignant?
Yeah, that is definitely what they were attempting. They just did it in about the worst way possible, poorly executed romance will come off as forced importance to many audiences.
In my opinion the romance aspect itself wasn't that bad for a budding relationship. The whole "Charmingly Befuddled / Gradeschool romance" phase went on waaay too long and got far too much screen time, but I watch anime so I am used to it (Though seriously, I don't need to spend a few minutes on them discussing clothes.). The biggest issue miiight be that they force the level of the relationship.
The relationship shown is like a 1/5, maybe 2/5... It is being treated like a 4/5 maybe 5/5.
I think they wanted a lot more time on this season then they got. It honestly feels like there was supposed to be 1 or 2 more episodes intended.
Edit: DO NOT get me wrong. You can do a quick romance. What they were doing was not a quick romance, at least to me, and needed more time to develop.
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And this isn't even getting into the fact that this season is... So far... About Ashi.
At least she feels like the main character, she is the one who had to grow and had to actually go down a road of recovery. Jack did too but it took a single bit of meditation.
Mind you these aren't criticisms these are just observations that makes Ashi a particularly good target for a hatedom. New annoying character swings down, hogs all the screen time, and then becomes the One True Love of our protagonist in spite of their tepid relationship and long line of pairings?
Post by: Max™ on May 14, 2017, 11:15:35 pm
- Beard
- Scotsman
- Scotsman's Sword
- Guardian
- Beard
Things that seem like nitpicking to be raw over:
- Jack and Ashi not having a chance to date properly
Her ending up like this is an interesting twist since the last time Jack had a warrior woman companion she turned out to be Aku, so the whole thing was just a big troll for Aku. Here we have a very similar situation except Aku looks like even more of a dick since Ashi wasn't in on the joke.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 20, 2017, 10:54:19 pm
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Post by: Folly on May 21, 2017, 02:53:43 pm
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Post by: quinnr on May 23, 2017, 02:55:15 am
Okay. So context: I watched every episode live until the FUCKING Rick and Morty prank at which point I just streamed the episodes when I felt convenient. I am not happy about that, if you can't tell. I started watching broadcast television for the first time in who knows how long and then they pull that, but whatever I forgive them now.
But yeah, I finally got to the last episode. And what the genuine F****.
I won't admit it to anyone, but I only watched a sparse selection of the original Samurai Jack. But they put a ton of posters around my university for the reboot and I decided to follow it devoutly. So I watched all of Season 5.
Spoiler: Samurai Jack <3 (click to show/hide)
You know what? This should most definitely be in the Drunk Thread. I'll go there now. Please ignore everything here, I'll be back with an actual analysis of the Samurai Jack S05 later.
Post by: Neonivek on May 23, 2017, 03:09:17 am
In fact hilariously she is written like a self-insert mary sue parody... almost note for note.
It is my belief though that they were originally intending to have 2-4 more episodes.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 23, 2017, 09:55:41 am
Post by: Sergius on May 23, 2017, 10:02:42 pm
Aquaman is just this dude living in a lighthouse. Someone knocks at the door, and it is some marine biologist that knows about him. He gets promptly murdered, and Aquaman (or whatshisrealname... Arthur I think?) sees like a dozen assassin people in black shark armor and tridents and harpoons and shit jumping out of the ocean and sprinting towards him.
But Arthur is too quick for them, with lightning reflexes, he pushes the door closed and locks it with the tiny chain thingy. And he backs up like 2 feet, sighing in relief.
Post by: Comrade P. on May 30, 2017, 05:35:28 am
Spoiler: "Wanted" Steven-bomb (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on May 30, 2017, 05:42:41 am
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Post by: Folly on May 30, 2017, 02:11:22 pm
I'm glad we're finally getting some explanation for the mysterious pink lion.
Post by: Max™ on May 30, 2017, 03:55:38 pm
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Oh, and yeah, the Guardian was bullshit, dude said "only one man is prophesied to defeat me, and you my man, ain't that man" before adding after he beat Jack up "you can't use it yet, not yet" and looks at a future Jack through the portal.
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Post by: Comrade P. on May 30, 2017, 04:12:00 pm
-snip-
I was also kinda pumped for the Guardian thing and felt massively underwhelmed tha he got reduced to a background detail, but, you know, wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey, "future is not set in stone". Maybe something somewhere went drastically different from what Portal envisioned.
Post by: Neonivek on May 30, 2017, 07:30:46 pm
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Post by: Max™ on May 30, 2017, 08:48:45 pm
There were no giant robots, wrecked tanks, anything around where he lost his sword.
Post by: Neonivek on May 30, 2017, 08:49:57 pm
What? No, he was on top of a mountain with little goatbros that Aku turned into huge goatmonsters and when killed reverted back into sad little dead goatbros.
There were no giant robots, wrecked tanks, anything around where he lost his sword.
That flashback came later. The earliest shown nothing like that, in fact it suggested he was in a cave and that he lost his sword off a cliff rather than a hole.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 30, 2017, 09:32:06 pm
Sadly, there ARE some incongruencies with how S4 ended and S5 began. To speak to it being rushed, I agree--partially. The first several episodes are like genius-level awesome, and it kind of trails off after that, almost feeling like they just went back to what they knew as a crutch. Genndy definitely got pressured though. It's a sad thing, and I hate to say it, but SamJ REALLY needed those extra 2-3 episodes, not to mentioned hella more development time.
Post by: Neonivek on May 30, 2017, 09:34:30 pm
Are we talking things seen in Original Seasons Jack?
No I mean the earliest flashbacks in Season 5 of the sword being lost... and the inconsistencies between that and the later flashbacks and eventual reveal.
Post by: Max™ on May 30, 2017, 10:40:57 pm
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Telling Ashi about it:
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Post by: Neonivek on May 30, 2017, 10:44:28 pm
And if you pay attention... that it isn't just the color that is different but the entire design between both pics with only the most basic details remaining the same.
Or rather... I fully believe they originally intended Samurai Jack to have lost his sword where the Guardian was (with the guardian likely being dead from Aku... VERY possibly after Jack won Aku swooped in, killed the guardian, and destroyed the gate)
Post by: Comrade P. on May 31, 2017, 04:17:25 am
According to Genndy himself he would have much rather had a coherent story, but [adult swim] forced him to make it more episodic so episodes could be shown out of order on reruns.
Urist really said it all a few months back. Technically old series was on CN, but boy, did they have an obscene amounts of reruns of SJ back then. Same logic applied, I believe.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 31, 2017, 01:54:09 pm
and Max sums it up pretty well (with evidence to boot!)
Post by: Folly on July 05, 2017, 08:35:45 pm
Season 3 Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeAw6aXHzcY)
July 30th can't come soon enough!
Post by: Comrade P. on July 06, 2017, 02:30:11 am
Rick and Morty (season 3, July 30th)
BoJack Horseman (season 4, August 22nd)
Star vs The Forces of Evil (season 3, July 15th)
There is also SU that'll probably drop a few more eps this summer, but I couldn't find the dates.
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2017, 09:55:33 am
The game series tended to have a very neutral stance with them being both the villain and in some ways the solution with religious characters running the gambit. One of the characters in the show, for example, is actually a member of the church in the games and was sheltered by them against witch hunters... In the games... In the show the character is not religious (which means she is good. Religious people are evil, non-religious people are good... Which is odd given Belmont)
Bonus points that Lisa, a woman who was described as "Like the Virgin Mary", is also not religious. In fact she was the most not religious meaning she was also the most good person of them all.
Likewise the little changes are very interesting. Alucard SO FAR seems to have had a bit of his personality removed and most of his backstory excised (likely because this is an ensemble piece)
The two major changes to Alucard are
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I should note I am not bugged by the Anti-Church Sentiment (except maybe that it is an overused trope)... it is just WEEEEIIIRD given the source where they weaponized Christianity.
The Alucard stuff bugs me slightly, but I recognize the nessisity to diminish his role, make him more sympathetic and less complicated, as well as make his personality stick out more.
Post by: hops on July 14, 2017, 06:56:49 am
Post by: Neonivek on July 14, 2017, 07:51:02 am
Wait, what? Alucard has never worked for Dracula, I'm pretty sure.
The way it worked in the games is that Alucard was originally loyal to Dracula but that weight of his mother's death weighed heavily on his mind (He experienced her death) until he decided to stop Dracula himself.
Mind you this is all backstory since by the time the proper game starts he is already on your side.
The show makes him a lot more sympathetic towards humanity and his mother's teachings. While in the games he didn't care for humanity and it was only his mother's final wishes that actually pushed him over the edge.
I suspect this was done because it would take too much attention away from everyone else, and it would really kill his sympathy.
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At least that is how I read it. I might need to reread it.
Post by: Levi on July 14, 2017, 09:58:26 am
Edit: I don't really think it was anti-church. I mean holy water blessed by a priest was effective against the monsters, so its not really a "religion is evil" kind of thing. Its just that one asshole priest(bishop?) who lost his marbles fucked everything up.
Post by: Neonivek on July 14, 2017, 10:43:57 am
Its just that one asshole priest(bishop?) who lost his marbles fucked everything up.
Well... Only one non-name minister was "good" who wasn't part of the church but was simply ordained.
Outside of that we have one Archbishop who is evil and is hinted to be a rapist. A Bishop, soon to be Pope, who advocated genocide. All the priests actually shown. Twats in a bar.
One of the characters who explicitly worked for the church has been rewritten to not and is now part of a non-religious group of science and reason against religion who are persecuted by the church. The Church's active participation in the story has been written out for a narrative where they are trying to purge the sinners (Which isn't ENTIRELY inaccurate, but in a weird twist the games had more nuance)
They also rewritten another character who had SOME religious affiliation to have none and have no religious attitudes, in fact anti-religious attitudes.
It is more that anyone who is religious in this show so far is evil... and anyone who out specifically non-religious (or anti-religious) is good. Even to the extent of rewriting characters to accommodate this shift.
It is a WEEEIRD juxtaposition for Castlevania.
It would be like if they made an Adaption of Harry Potter where anyone who likes magic is evil... and only people who want to stop magic are good... And they rewritten Harry Potter to be the most anti-magic person around. It isn't a bad idea for a book it is just weird for a Harry Potter adaptation.
Maybe I am wrong and Belmont is actually religious and a future episode will demonstrate this.
Post by: Levi on July 14, 2017, 10:52:28 am
I never actually played Castlevania 3(mostly just played the ones from SOTN and on), so I'm not super familiar with the lore in that one. In fact, most of the lore I know comes from this highly educational video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju0Z6NquldM).
Post by: Neonivek on July 14, 2017, 11:09:07 am
As I said it isn't bad, it is just... weird.
Also you should look at a picture of Dracula before he was Dracula... WOW! did he have an intense face.
Post by: Neonivek on July 23, 2017, 01:18:08 am
Satisfying season and no anticlimax.
Though GOODNESS do I seriously wonder if Glosseric has emotions or not. I mean he said he has no feelings...
Post by: Comrade P. on July 23, 2017, 04:14:14 am
Though GOODNESS do I seriously wonder if Glosseric has emotions or not. I mean he said he has no feelings...
Guy's probably jaded. He's seen a lot. His students did very different things.
Post by: Neonivek on July 23, 2017, 04:43:35 am
Then again the show also kind of understands the flip side that the Empty Pageantry isn't exactly a product of power but also because the people want it that way and thus it has become mutually problematic.
Post by: WillowLuman on July 24, 2017, 04:45:09 pm
Bongo.
Post by: Comrade P. on July 24, 2017, 05:04:54 pm
Bingo.
Bongo.
Must... resist... singing... get out... of head...
OOOOOH NO HERE GOES (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyDNTLlRgU)
Post by: WillowLuman on July 24, 2017, 06:51:15 pm
But did you see the SU thing from comic con though?
Post by: Neonivek on July 24, 2017, 06:55:31 pm
I was afraid that might happen.
But did you see the SU thing from comic con though?
Yeah but I know better than to be sucked into a SU trailer at this point.
Post by: Comrade P. on July 25, 2017, 01:34:56 am
I was afraid that might happen.
But did you see the SU thing from comic con though?
Yeah but I know better than to be sucked into a SU trailer at this point.
Ditto. I've decided I'm avoiding recent comic-con reveals and waiting for actual release of episodes.
Post by: Folly on August 05, 2017, 07:08:20 am
I <3 blue elf girls~
Post by: Sirus on August 05, 2017, 10:48:39 am
Post by: Folly on August 05, 2017, 02:39:00 pm
I always thought Voltron was anime. Guess it isn't?
Original Voltron was anime. They've done two or three remakes since then...the one currently airing is not native to Japan.
Post by: ggamer on August 06, 2017, 01:32:47 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Derpy Dev on August 06, 2017, 04:45:48 pm
Post by: Folly on August 07, 2017, 07:56:05 am
Those poor rats never had a chance...
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on August 07, 2017, 12:53:46 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on August 07, 2017, 02:34:23 pm
Justin Roiland method-acted this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ0Yn1fqugg)
Post by: Folly on August 12, 2017, 11:19:56 pm
I still kinda hate the artistic style of this reboot...loving everything else though. The music, the jokes, the cameos...good stuff.
Post by: Derpy Dev on August 13, 2017, 10:20:04 am
DuckTales 2017
I still kinda hate the artistic style of this reboot...loving everything else though. The music, the jokes, the cameos...good stuff.
Honestly I kinda like the animation. It's nothing special, but it's certainly not terrible in my opinion.
Also I really like Glomgold for some reason. He's probably my favorite part of the show so far.
Spoiler: Glomgold quotes (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on August 18, 2017, 05:23:52 pm
She can talk back to him so she isn't a low end servant... So she is likely an aide, assistant, Butler, or "Person who gets things done"
But she seems so angry with just taking notes... All those jobs would include assisting however needed.
So is she just a house keeper? I mean that was her position in the original but she did do her job, while she had the ability to tell her boss what to do that came out of mutual respect and trust in her judgement (though its Scrouge, he don't trust anyone's judgement).
Actually she is really bad at her job from what I've seen and seems to criticize and boss around her boss (and threaten him physically... and damage the house) far more then she does ANYTHING right, and she does the BARE minimum...
Post by: Folly on September 23, 2017, 10:02:44 pm
I almost wish this was the end, because we finally got a season with a happy ending. Alas, Netflix has renewed for Season 5. If they actually manage to outdo Season 4, I don't know if my heart will be able to take it...
https://twitter.com/BoJackHorseman/status/910896431933689857 (https://twitter.com/BoJackHorseman/status/910896431933689857)
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on September 24, 2017, 10:30:19 pm
Does anyone have any idea what the run schedule for OK K.O is? I was unfortunate enough to miss the latest episode.
Post by: Solifuge on October 10, 2017, 12:00:22 am
Speaking of, it's an excellent show. I'm blown away by some of the stuff they do with these bite sized stories, and the art and characters are absolutely delightful.
Post by: Folly on October 20, 2017, 08:21:19 pm
Wow, that ending caught be completely by surprise! I can't wait to see what happens next!
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on October 23, 2017, 07:59:05 am
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on October 23, 2017, 08:45:10 am
Milo Murphy's Law e18 Fungus Among Us
Wow, that ending caught be completely by surprise! I can't wait to see what happens next!
What happens next is that I become a new fan of this show, and the status quo is somehow returned.
Post by: RedKing on October 23, 2017, 11:05:30 am
Does anyone actually know about the chain of events leading to the Voltron reboot that I keep hearing about?Netflix and Dreamworks got together and said, "Hey, let's make some shit"?
More specifically, I don't know why they decided on a Voltron reboot, but I dig it. I've only seen the first season so far. My daughter has watched all of them.
I think it was especially illustrative when I dug up an episode of the original Voltron, and we watched it together, and I felt ashamed for my childhood. The old series was.....not good. Especially the voice acting.
Post by: Comrade P. on October 23, 2017, 01:10:02 pm
Does anyone actually know about the chain of events leading to the Voltron reboot that I keep hearing about?Netflix and Dreamworks got together and said, "Hey, let's make some shit"?
I think they also got some people who worked on Avatar: Legend of Korra on the job for that reboot.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on October 26, 2017, 10:59:31 am
Post by: Folly on November 07, 2017, 10:31:40 pm
Post by: Folly on November 11, 2017, 03:19:07 am
Edit: The more I think about it, the more I appreciate the Lapis episode. For some reason it never really clicked with me before, but Lapis was actually happy serving under the Diamonds. She had a satisfying job, a safe place to live, a generally happy life, and then the Crystal Gems came along and started a war that she wanted no part of. She did her best to avoid the violence, but somehow got caught in the crossfire anyway and was nearly shattered. Later, it was a Cystal Gem who brought her back. They completely destroyed her entire life for no reason, and now Steven was here expecting her to be grateful, and maybe even join the team. Now all of her reactions make sense. This is why she lives apart from the other gems in a barn, and is always moody around them.
Post by: Comrade P. on November 16, 2017, 01:03:38 pm
Spoiler: The latest Star vs Evil - the cheekmarks; SPOILERS (click to show/hide)
Post by: Folly on November 16, 2017, 08:43:14 pm
There have been several Butterfly's with non-card-suit cheek marks. Also the floating unicorn heads have similar marks on their necks and eyes. I think it's just a thematic thing for the SvE metaverse without any specific significance.
Post by: Comrade P. on November 17, 2017, 10:39:23 am
http://starvstheforcesofevil.wikia.com/wiki/Butterfly_family (http://starvstheforcesofevil.wikia.com/wiki/Butterfly_family)
There have been several Butterfly's with non-card-suit cheek marks. Also the floating unicorn heads have similar marks on their necks and eyes. I think it's just a thematic thing for the SvE metaverse without any specific significance.
Ok, so there's more to that than I thought and my theory doesn't hold up. But I will still argue that these marks bear significance that will come up eventually.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on November 19, 2017, 10:43:57 pm
Post by: Comrade P. on November 20, 2017, 12:26:37 pm
Just finished first two seasons of Steven Universe... damn. Such a good show.
It kinda goes downhill from there, IMO. But it has its moments, for sure.
Post by: Edmus on November 20, 2017, 05:02:36 pm
Post by: Max™ on November 22, 2017, 09:28:26 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T5rCSmduaY
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on November 22, 2017, 11:59:46 pm
Patented guide to enjoying Steven Universe: Avoid any and all fan speculation.
Ya I've just been binging is straight, no input from the fandom (which I hear is even crazier than Rick & Morty's)
Post by: Comrade P. on November 23, 2017, 01:38:10 pm
Patented guide to enjoying Steven Universe: Avoid any and all fan speculation.Ya I've just been binging is straight, no input from the fandom (which I hear is even crazier than Rick & Morty's)
Solid strategy.
Post by: Folly on November 24, 2017, 08:48:22 pm
More than a decade after the show ended, it's back.
This gives me hope for every show I enjoyed that ended too soon.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on November 25, 2017, 08:05:50 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Edmus on November 26, 2017, 01:12:08 am
Agreed that S4 onwards picks up the quality. The pace too, it's just hard to tell because of the massive hiatuses.
Post by: Jopax on November 30, 2017, 05:22:47 am
While I think ep2 of this season is still the best, I can't really say any of them are bad tbh, each had a pretty nice mix of scathing commentary and hillarious insanity.
Post by: Doomblade187 on November 30, 2017, 03:11:38 pm
Anyone watching the new South Park season? Thing this is the prefect middle ground between their older seasons and the more structured thing they tried last year. Each episode is funny in it's own way while still having ties into other ones.I feel like they're doing a lot more mapping of issues than they normally do, but that could just be me not remembering the old episodes. I haven't seen them all.
While I think ep2 of this season is still the best, I can't really say any of them are bad tbh, each had a pretty nice mix of scathing commentary and hillarious insanity.
EDIT: Just saw the latest episode. :O
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 05, 2018, 04:18:12 pm
Post by: quinnr on March 06, 2018, 04:29:12 am
Anyhoo, Final Space is out and it is awesome.
Just watched the first three episodes (all the ones out now) and I love it! It's what I wished Rick and Morty was when I tried to watch it, it's a hilarious sci-fi space drama and that's about all I can think of to describe it. Definitely would recommend. Really appreciate how it's not as episodic as a lot of other cartoon series are and has a continuous plot going so far. It's basically Futurama but all plot.
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/b2ad7a28a4cca9f098647f16dc485365/tumblr_p55ai6z9ma1x6zqvvo7_400.gif)
Post by: Folly on March 06, 2018, 06:27:22 am
Also watched the first season of Hot Streets. The overall animation quality and character design really irk me. Also it frequently walks the line between creative-stupid and lazy-stupid. For the most part though it offers something humorous and novel, and I'm optimistic for the show's future.
I just started watching Our Cartoon President. It's a decent timekiller. Predictable, but amusing political humor.
I noticed that apparently Disney's Stitch outsourced to Japan for a spinoff that was edgier and more dramatic, so now that's on my to-watch list.
Mike Tyson Mysteries, American Dad, and Star vs Evil all recently returned with new seasons, and so far they've all met my expectations.
Voltron just dropped season 5, and I completely missed season 4...so I've got some catching up to do!
Also I found out that the creator of Adventure Time has another series already in it's fourth season, Bravest Warriors, so that's also on my list.
Post by: Comrade P. on March 06, 2018, 12:04:29 pm
Where do you stream Bravest Warriors, btw?
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 06, 2018, 12:51:08 pm
Also, pretty sure it's not Pendleton Ward approved, but because Adventure Time is ending a bunch of the staff are creating a new show, Summer Camp Island. So that's kind of exciting (even though the animation looks more Chicago, Il than Adventure Time.)
Post by: deathpunch578 on March 06, 2018, 12:58:43 pm
Post by: Folly on March 06, 2018, 02:46:24 pm
Where do you stream Bravest Warriors, btw?
kimcartoon.me is my current go-to for cartoon streaming, and their older streamer links for Bravest Warriors seem to be intact.
Post by: Comrade P. on March 06, 2018, 03:58:41 pm
Post by: Putnam on March 06, 2018, 10:49:57 pm
I watched a few episodes of metalocalypse today, I ended up watching all three episodes with king diamond as a voice actor. I find it interesting that they got king diamond for three episodes and didn't do too much with him.
They had Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield in bit roles in the pilot
Post by: deathpunch578 on March 06, 2018, 11:06:33 pm
I think that's the strangest thing about metalocalypse, they get well known people in metal then do very little with themI watched a few episodes of metalocalypse today, I ended up watching all three episodes with king diamond as a voice actor. I find it interesting that they got king diamond for three episodes and didn't do too much with him.
They had Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield in bit roles in the pilot
Post by: Max™ on March 07, 2018, 06:45:22 am
Every episode since has been fantastic and packed with the same sort of absurdity as shit like perfect hair forever, lots of dumb low hanging fruit jokes, and a surprising amount of stuff that you don't catch or get until an hour later when you break down giggling with no way to explain what happened to anyone around you.
Love that damn show so much.
Post by: Putnam on March 07, 2018, 07:08:42 am
Post by: Jopax on March 08, 2018, 02:43:26 pm
New show coming to CN sometime in the future. Looks really damn cool. Zany and absurd but without being stupid about it.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 08, 2018, 03:27:41 pm
Infinity train short (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY6kfVWv01k)
New show coming to CN sometime in the future. Looks really damn cool. Zany and absurd but without being stupid about it.
Coming to CN? Has there been some movement on it, because it's just been in limbo forever?
Post by: Jopax on March 08, 2018, 03:32:28 pm
Post by: Sirus on March 08, 2018, 06:59:37 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 08, 2018, 07:26:10 pm
Also, whats up with Steven Universe? Does it have a S6 premiere date? Google results have returned inconclusive.
Post by: Edmus on March 09, 2018, 06:47:29 pm
Post by: Folly on March 09, 2018, 11:31:57 pm
Jake's origin story finally has resolution.
And it seems that the Candy Wars, Martian Arc, and Ice King Arc are all going to follow.
Post by: Folly on March 26, 2018, 11:12:38 am
Mike Tyson Mysteries s4 e4, best clip-episode ever!
New Steven Bomb is here. It's entirely filler.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 26, 2018, 12:21:03 pm
Our Cartoon President has been steadily improving since it started, and I'm now eagerly awaiting new episodes each Sunday.
Mike Tyson Mysteries s4 e4, best clip-episode ever!
New Steven Bomb is here. It's entirely filler.
Hey gotta give those new storyboard artists some air time y'know?
I jest, I shall still voraciously consume these new episodes. And now I depart for more Steven-y grounds.
EDIT: Oh wow, it was just all filler... and uh... whats up with the timeline thing?
Post by: Folly on March 28, 2018, 02:10:11 pm
Every time I witness a crazy coincidence, I become a little more certain that there is something deeply wrong with the universe...
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 28, 2018, 02:19:27 pm
Post by: Folly on April 02, 2018, 03:00:49 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 02, 2018, 03:30:40 pm
Rick and Morty got a special April Fools episode, Rick and Morty Bushworld Adventures. It's an extra special kind of terrible.
The HELL did I just watch?
Post by: Edmus on April 03, 2018, 05:43:11 am
These comments (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/apr/03/rick-and-morty-parody-is-nothing-like-bendigo-australian-citys-mayor-insists?CMP=soc_567), hahaha
They should leave poor wobblygong out of this.
Post by: Folly on April 05, 2018, 09:16:35 pm
Upon doing some cursory research, I was somewhat dismayed to learn that there are only 10 episodes total this season. Then heartened to learn that the creator has material for 5 seasons, and reception has been fairly overwhelmingly positive, so odds are good that we'll see more.
Post by: Max™ on April 05, 2018, 10:30:54 pm
Rick and Morty got a special April Fools episode, Rick and Morty Bushworld Adventures. It's an extra special kind of terrible."OH NOOOO, I GOTTA SUCK YA DICK MORTY!" was fantastic, the fuck is wrong with you?
Post by: Folly on April 15, 2018, 11:42:35 pm
It feels like the first season was just about jamming completely random words and ideas together into barely coherent events. And then the following seasons were all about trying to actually expand those random ideas into real stories and settings. I'm enjoying the show, but it's definitely not for everyone. Fans of Adventure Time should like it though. Mostly I'm just really impressed that they were able to do so much with such short time slots.
Next up I'm intending to re-watch Super Mansion in advance of the new season next month. Though there's also a show called 'Vermin' that recently started and I may take a peek at that first...
It's always been Wankershim!
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 30, 2018, 10:21:08 am
Post by: quinnr on April 30, 2018, 10:39:21 am
Final Space Season One is over and HOT DAMN, it's SO good.
I haven't watched the final episode but I've been keeping up with it and absolutely love it so far. I've been describing it to friends as "What if Futurama...had actual plot?"
I just feel like there has not been a ton of great serial sci-fi cartoons in Western animation and this really takes the cake.
Post by: Folly on May 07, 2018, 10:16:31 pm
Post by: ggamer on May 08, 2018, 10:28:51 am
Two new Steven Universe episodes. It's not just filler this time...
Both had me saying "oh, fuck!" for different reasons; the first for the really interesting animation and character interactions (I will NEVER get tired of Steven and Lapis talking), the second for all the bombs dropped and because we get to see more of Pearl!
Spoiler: Speaking of (click to show/hide)
Post by: Folly on May 08, 2018, 03:23:50 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Max™ on May 08, 2018, 05:54:07 pm
Spoiler: So uh, who is the (click to show/hide)
I mean, when the ratio of carbon to silicon in quartz changes far enough, it isn't quartz any longer really, is it?
Post by: Folly on May 14, 2018, 06:29:21 pm
Invader Zim, 17 years after the show was canceled, is returning with a movie!
Rocko's Modern Life is also getting a movie. Both of these are following in the wake of the Hey Arnold movie. It seems Nickelodeon feels like giving it's old hits one last hurrah.
Harvey Birdman is returning for a single episode, Harvey Birdman Attorney General! I think they're trying to make a political statement, with Harvey trying to get his idiot President Sebin out of office by any means necessary, but I'm still going to enjoy it anyway.
Young Justice is also slated to return soonish with a full season. This is definitely one that I'm going to have to re-watch the old episodes prior to watching the new ones.
Post by: Reelya on May 14, 2018, 11:33:05 pm
Things are sort of flipped on the head now for the animation age ghetto too: a new franchise aimed at toddlers is almost certainly going to be done in CGI, whereas 2D is going to be reserved for stuff for older audiences, e.g. nostalgia or artistic reasons. So, making a thoughtful 2D animation film can now be used as a means to set yourself stylistically apart from the glut of CGI "kiddie stuff" that's pouring out there, and that's a really good thing.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 23, 2018, 10:00:34 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on May 24, 2018, 05:24:55 pm
Young Justice is also slated to return soonish with a full season.
WHAT. YES!
I gave Star vs The Forces of Evil a go... actually a really good show! If you love western cartoons, give it a shot.
It really is good.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on July 08, 2018, 11:01:13 pm
Post by: Folly on July 25, 2018, 10:57:58 pm
Saw this in my feed of cartoons with new episodes; ended up binging all 11 episodes currently out, and wanting more.
This is a show about Gary, who was identified as a child to be the chosen one, destined to fight demons, both literal and metaphorical. At some point he obtained a magic sword that makes him a better version of himself. Then he watched his girlfriend get brutally murdered by demons. After that he took a cynical world-view and kinda started half-assing the demon hunting thing while counting the days until his retirement.
Sadly there is not a lot of information about this series, so I'm not sure how many episodes will be in the first season, or what the chances of renewal are. But I really do want to see more.
Post by: Folly on July 30, 2018, 10:36:38 pm
This show takes entirely too long between seasons...but sometimes it's totally worth the wait. This season looks like it will be one of those.
I recommend re-watching Season 1 Episode 2 before or after these new episodes, as there are a ton of tie-ins.
Post by: MrWiggles on July 31, 2018, 03:55:26 am
Post by: Folly on August 11, 2018, 09:44:18 pm
Sad news though, it seems that Season 8 will be the finale.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on August 13, 2018, 11:39:04 pm
Just listened to Rebecca Sugar's final song for the series... midnight express to tear central.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 14, 2018, 12:52:32 am
So in the last episode, Gary goes to a conference to meet up with the other 6 demon hunters. Gary is looking forward to it, as its nice to be with that get it. But they've all retired and there a batch of teenagers.
Which pisses off Gary as he wants to retire and told he cant. But all the other agencies manage to find saps for the job.
They havent killed any demons yet, but they all seem aware of Gary. And they beg him for war stories. Gary being his pissy self, tells them about his dead wife. Or the time, he had to make choice between saving an orphanage or pet shop filled with puppies. And spoiler alert, he was trapped under a beam they all died. And Gary now has moments where hes unsure if that is child or puppy screaming to death.
And it struck me. Right, so the series show Gary being compotent at his job. He good at killing demons. He tired, worn to the bone about his job and sometime that gets the better of himself but mostly he kills demons. He saves poeple. Gary deep down, is actually a pretty good person, highly empathic and despite all this time on the job, the losses, the time he loses still hurt him. He only has nightmares, he doesnt get to revel in his successes.
The other demon hunters have. They're aware of his legacy. The girl they concentrate on, had heroworships Gary. That wouldnt happen if Gary wasnt an actual hero. Someone that good at saving people, or saves way more then he loses.
I really liked that. Again, I dont know if the show meant to do that on purpose, but I feel like that did. There is a lot of world building in this show.
Post by: Caz on August 14, 2018, 07:37:20 am
Final Space Season One is over and HOT DAMN, it's SO good.
I haven't watched the final episode but I've been keeping up with it and absolutely love it so far. I've been describing it to friends as "What if Futurama...had actual plot?"
I just feel like there has not been a ton of great serial sci-fi cartoons in Western animation and this really takes the cake.
It was surprisingly good, I watched it on a whim once it came out on Netflix and ended up loving it, thought it was just gonna be another blah western animation (netflix seems full of them these days. they're kinda meh other than bojack ofc)
And Mooncake is the cutest thing ever of course.
Post by: Folly on August 14, 2018, 08:21:39 pm
Milo Murphy's Law season 2 premiere is finally here, wrapping up the cliffhanger from the first season. I wasn't particularly enthusiastic about the postulation that Milo and Phineas/Ferb are opposites, but otherwise is was a reasonably satisfying crossover and conclusion to the story arc. Sadly, I'm hearing that the rest of Season 2 will not come until next year.
Post by: Folly on August 19, 2018, 12:54:20 am
I just finished watching the first season, and it's mostly weak jokes and uninteresting filler stories, but with good music and a charming art style. A solid finale offers some redemption however, and barely makes the series recommendable.
Bean is basically a mashup of Leela and Amy, who sometimes acts as the responsible and competent one, and sometimes is just a reckless party girl. Elfo is Fry, the cheerful idiot with a hopeless crush on Bean. And Luci is Bender, the soulless anarchist who gives the plot an extra poke when things start to get boring. So fans of Futurama should feel right at home.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 19, 2018, 01:04:04 am
This feels a lot more like Matt Grienging, but its Fantasy instead of a contemporary setting. I do see some David Cohen in there still. My favorite joke, was near the end of the season, and they are at the hidden elf village. And a party was trying to capture elves for their magic blood. They couldnt make the village vanish because their front gate was broken. And they remarked that they couldnt make the village disappear with the gate down, as that break the laws of physics. That was a good gag.
Overall, I had a good time with it. It ended strong. I wish they had given more for the dad to do, especially in relation to the end.
Post by: Folly on August 19, 2018, 07:29:49 am
Post by: MrWiggles on August 20, 2018, 02:04:43 am
Did you catch the Futurama cameo in the last episode? It was roughly 21 minutes in, and only lasted for an instant. :)I did not.
Post by: Folly on August 21, 2018, 11:29:35 pm
It's a series of mostly unrelated short stories about talking animals. The stories range from light humor to deeply moving, and go everywhere in between. Some stories are much better than others, but most are at least somewhat interesting. The style is dank, and the animation is basically slideshow quality, but really it's all about the dialogue. This show won't be for everyone, but I'm certainly enjoying it.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 23, 2018, 02:35:06 am
Post by: Caz on August 23, 2018, 10:52:15 am
Did you catch the Futurama cameo in the last episode? It was roughly 21 minutes in, and only lasted for an instant. :)
On the crystal ball thing?
Disenchantment was kinda disappointing though I guess I was expecting too much considering it's from Simpsons/Futurama creators. Good enough to put on in the background I guess, though it seemed like nothing interesting happened until the last few episodes.
Post by: Folly on September 02, 2018, 06:07:01 pm
This is an unabashed clone of Brickleberry. The characters look slightly different, and are in a different setting, but have the exact same personalities and voice actors. The general mood of the show is also exactly the same.
The show has received more than a little bit of criticism for it's often excessively crude humor, and lack of originality. I'm only a couple of episodes in, but from what I've seen so far, these criticisms are entirely fair. However, I was able to accept these elements and enjoy Brickleberry for what it was, and I expect this will be no different.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on September 03, 2018, 06:05:11 pm
Pretty good, interesting, sad, happy, bittersweet end to the show.
Post by: Folly on September 03, 2018, 08:45:40 pm
Post by: Xantalos on September 04, 2018, 11:34:26 pm
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Post by: Max™ on September 10, 2018, 09:56:27 pm
*totally not, swear*
*dammit fuck you, you're crying I'm not crying*
Post by: WillowLuman on September 10, 2018, 11:08:24 pm
I liked Disenchantment. I wouldn't compare Bean with a futurama character though: the comparison that sprang foremost to my mind was Katia from Prequel. Not as good as Futurama but there was at least one moment each episode that made me laugh pretty hard.
So, new season of Bojack Horseman dropping any day now! Any predictions?
Post by: MrWiggles on September 11, 2018, 02:04:46 am
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Post by: WillowLuman on September 12, 2018, 01:22:12 am
Post by: Ziusudra on September 12, 2018, 02:29:42 am
Oh god, I have not cried this much over TV in a while. Both songs in that AT finale got me so hard. And my mom, too.The phrases "got me so hard" and "got me, so hard" have quite different meanings - especially when your mother is involved.
Post by: WillowLuman on September 12, 2018, 03:32:17 am
So, anyone have thoughts on Villainous?
Post by: Folly on September 17, 2018, 08:30:36 pm
There have been a few underwhelming episodes about Dianne and Carolyn and their girly feeling troubles. But episode 6 was creative and original and poignant, and then it ended on a great joke. This is what Bojack is all about.
Still, I feel like overall it's going to end up being one of the less impressive seasons.
Post by: WillowLuman on September 18, 2018, 08:45:03 pm
Post by: Folly on September 19, 2018, 01:39:21 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: WillowLuman on September 20, 2018, 08:25:48 pm
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So, finished book one of Dragon Prince. It certainly had a lot of Avatar-ish beats to it (and Sokka's voice was fairly distracting). Didn't really feel like enough happened for it to be a whole season though. And to be honest it was pretty hokey, though hopefully it will pick up as it goes on. I feel like they might've shot themselves in the foot by inviting Avatar comparisons, though then again I probably wouldn't have watched it without that "someone from Avatar worked on this" buzz.
Post by: Folly on September 20, 2018, 10:28:26 pm
I'm disappointed that they're going with a reboot. For one thing, the original Avatar aired not that long ago, and it was done pretty well. In another 10 years, if they wanted to re-tell the story for a new generation, then sure. But right now a reboot just isn't needed. Also, they created a big universe with lots of characters; they could just as easily have told the story of Avatar Roku, or adult Aang, or stories about the non-avatar characters. Re-telling the same story just seems kinda lazy.
But apparently this is supposed to be a non-whitewashed version, so maybe it will be full of people having sex on the back of flying bisons and benders freezing and frying each other. I guess that might make it worth sitting through the same story again.
Post by: WillowLuman on September 21, 2018, 12:04:56 am
Post by: Folly on October 02, 2018, 02:47:30 pm
The first episode is titled 'Attack of the Period'. It's exactly what you're thinking. And worse.
The core cast consists of a ditzy mother and enthusiastic best friend, both of whom are very high-energy and imo they are all that keeps the show interesting. I'll certainly be watching more, but I do hope it gets extended to longer episodes at some point.
Edit: Things really pick up from episode 6 onward. And the episodes do gradually get longer. This show is now firmly in my 'Would Recommend' category, with a disclaimer about the early episodes being pretty raw.
Post by: Folly on October 05, 2018, 09:30:24 pm
I'm only a couple episodes in, but so far it's some of this show's best stuff to date!
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Post by: Powder Miner on October 07, 2018, 11:45:59 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on October 08, 2018, 03:36:59 pm
I started watching Dragon Prince but dropped it halfway through the first season. Maybe I was jumping the gun, but Viren was being reduced to a stock character and tbh his interactions with Harrow were the thing I found most interesting about the show early on
Truly, he Unalaq'd
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Post by: Folly on October 08, 2018, 08:55:37 pm
First off, I totally agree with everyone who said that frame rate is an issue. I'm usually not a stickler for fps, but it showed itself in a bad way here.
I also understand where HugoLuman was coming from, saying not enough happened. Anyone expecting a full story arc going into this will be disappointed. Much like Avatar, this season was only one chapter in a much longer story. I for one am eagerly awaiting the rest.
I'm not sure I fully agree with Powder Miner about Viren being reduced to a stock character. Yes, he's clearly an antagonist, but his motivations are not yet clear. Is he acting on behalf of his kingdom, or his family, or just for himself? Or does he have something even bigger in mind? He certainly seems like the big-picture type.
And it's not like he's the only antagonist here. Racial tensions, historical feuds, cultural imperatives, magical monsters, and teen angst are all in play. I think this show has plenty of variety and drama to keep things interesting.
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Post by: Folly on October 11, 2018, 11:58:39 pm
The first season is basically nothing but crude limit-pushing jokes about puberty. It got a few good chuckles out of me, and a lot of groans. Overall not something I'd easily recommend.
Then the second season turned things around with tons of character development and storyline progression. I was genuinely interested at the end of each episode to see what would happen next. The show very much redeemed itself, and I'm definitely hoping that it gets renewed.
Fair warning though, there is some nudity. One episode actually has more nudity than some hentai's I've seen. :o
Post by: Folly on October 15, 2018, 03:25:36 pm
This is crude and terrible...but it made me laugh a lot.
Post by: WillowLuman on October 18, 2018, 01:26:28 am
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Post by: Folly on October 19, 2018, 07:22:29 am
This one reminded me strongly of Married with Children, because it's set in the 70's, stars a perpetually angry father, his unsatisfied wife, and their inept children, as they struggle with money, sexism, and bullies. And this is yet another show with a very weak first season, but a strong second season. The show is nothing particularly new or special, but it's a respectable family sitcom. I'm looking forward to season 3 coming next month!
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 13, 2018, 07:50:08 pm
The writing is atrocious, just agonizingly bad, I can't even describe how utterly repulsed I was by the attempts at humor and drama. I'm not going to claim that the original was in any way well written but it was less cringey than this crap, and to me, that itself is a huge problem, they couldn't even reach that low of a bar. But even worse than the writing is the godsdamned animation. Oh dear hells, what the fuck were these people thinking? It looks like it was animated in Flash, everything is choppy like a poorly optimized game running at some stupidly low frame rate, there are no transitions to any movement, it just causes me pain to watch.
The art style is poor, but not the worst thing ever, I'm getting pretty fed up at the 'no attempt at shading whatsoever' mentality going around right now. I'm not commenting on the character models, those have been discussed to death elsewhere and I have nothing to add.
If this is where animation is going someone just put an end to it. For fucks' sake if you're going to try to use the medium as a vehicle for your bullshit please at least do a good fucking job of animating your shit, not this kind of miserable hack job.
Post by: Folly on November 24, 2018, 02:30:47 pm
It's marginally better than Legends of Awesomeness, featuring a new Big-Bad, a squad of panda-rangers, and a persistent story arc across the whole season. All very cliche, but worth a watch if you're a fan of the movies.
Post by: darkflagrance on November 24, 2018, 04:20:54 pm
As someone who has only vague memories of the original from decades ago, animation seems hit or miss. I would watch the show for Catra only, as her reimagining and arc is the main highlight of the new series.
Also, the reboot does not hide its LGBT agenda. This show seems designed to either appeal to people who support it or fiercely turn off people with nostalgic feelings towards the original. It's easier to watch if you don't bring anything from the original show with you, and especially if you enjoy lesbian angst.
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Post by: Putnam on November 24, 2018, 05:32:22 pm
This show seems designed to either appeal to people who support it or fiercely turn off people with nostalgic feelings towards the original.
this juxtaposition seems to imply that these two things have the same cause and i don't know why that might be the case
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 24, 2018, 05:47:03 pm
*I am not one of these people, I didn't really have any interest in either He-man or She-ra. I still maintain that the reboot is insultingly written and incredibly badly made.
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Post by: Folly on November 30, 2018, 01:02:24 am
This is just a really good show, about kids playing in creative and fun ways. It's kinda like Clarence, but without annoyingly stupid protagonists. Also just a bit of KND flavor mixed in.
Episodes are short, and there is hardly any connected story arc, but every second is thoroughly enjoyable to watch. Definitely recommend.
Post by: Folly on December 16, 2018, 02:43:40 pm
I'm sad to see it end, but also glad that Voltron was finally done justice. After all of the previous attempts got canceled in the middle and left us with more questions than answers, 'Voltron: Legendary Defender' gives us a well rounded cast of characters each with fully told backstories, and then lets them play out to their final conclusion.
I also attempted to watch a few episodes of 'The Shivering Truth'. This show is a whole lot of weird, and a whole lot of gross. The former can be stimulating at times...but the latter proved too grating for my delicate sensibilities. I shan't be returning to this.
Post by: Yoink on December 16, 2018, 02:58:40 pm
I did quite like what I saw of F is For Family, though. It was perhaps a little weak but I could see it being more enjoyable as you get attached to the characters, even without it making any big changes between seasons... I'll have to watch s2 sometime!
I might check out Big Mouth sometime, too. Although I don't much like cheap crude humour or preachiness, and I'm not sure I'm that big a fan of shows in school settings either... whatever, I'll be sure to keep expectations low.
Since I'm posting in here, I want to recommend Final Space again.
At first glance it's just super-fun, over-the-top SPESS ADVENTURE, like the stream-of-consciousness ideas for action-packed space comics I'd come up with as a kid, but over time you realise it's actually
Some guy named Olan Rogers voices the rambunctious, happy-go-lucky spaz of a main character. At first it seems like this guy could easily become irritating in the extreme, but in my experience at least he grew on me as the series possessed. The setting and graphics are all pretty sweet as well, again with the outwards cutesy-ness masking a surprising depth.
Also there's the occasional cat-person, for those of you who are into that kinda thing, and also a fair few jokes about assigning cute cat attributes to dangerous aliens for those of you who aren't.
Not sure what else I should say. It's on Netflix! Oh and it also stars David Tennant and Conan O'Brien in supporting roles.
Post by: Folly on January 04, 2019, 10:39:18 pm
For a predictable 'chosen one' story aimed at young teens, Trollhunters is surprisingly watchable. There are a few minor plot holes and some pacing issues, and a few arcs that don't really go anywhere; but these shortcomings are largely countered by solid animation and music and likeable characters.
Also worth noting that the spinoff that just came out is only the second part of an intended trilogy, so there should end up being a lot of material to digest here.
Post by: Folly on January 06, 2019, 11:23:44 pm
I liked it a bit better than Trollhunters, though I think that's largely due to the studio having more experience at this point and thus being able to create a more stable and structured experience for the audience.
Some critics are upset that they mixed aliens into a fantasy setting, and I suppose that's fair. For my part, I thought the blending was done well and they managed to maintain the same general feel of the precursor.
I also very much appreciated the mixture of new content and old. This season was about 70% new stuff and 30% cameos, which worked out perfectly for my tastes.
My only real complaint is that the big-bad is once again just some random guy who wants to take over the world and kill anyone who gets in his way. That aspect could certainly have been handled in a more interesting way.
In other news, Young Justice Season 3 just started airing.
This one snuck up on me. I'm going to try to quickly re-watch the first two seasons before I start on the new stuff, as I recall this series being fairly heavily story-driven.
Post by: MrWiggles on January 08, 2019, 02:13:44 am
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Post by: Folly on January 10, 2019, 07:49:13 am
Have there been any recent DC animated movies lately?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Universe_Animated_Original_Movies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Universe_Animated_Original_Movies)
Gotham by Gaslight, Suicide Squad, and Death of Superman were all from 2018.
Post by: Folly on January 20, 2019, 11:07:30 am
Then I got caught up on the current episodes of Season 3. It's even better imo, and most critics seem to agree.
The focus this season seems to be on the militarization of metahumans, and the inability of organized heroes to operate effectively under government oversight. And of course the looming threat of Apokalypse.
Each episode ends with rather somber music. I'm not sure if this is meant to be in memory of heroes lost along the way, or foreshadowing of things to come. Either way, it's quite powerful.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 21, 2019, 11:19:20 am
3 Below was alright. Not as good as Trollhunters though.
Post by: MrWiggles on January 21, 2019, 05:16:51 pm
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Post by: Max™ on January 22, 2019, 10:07:10 am
Then I noticed him stab the wings from a dead winged unicorn into the arms of Helpie who protests "it doesn't work that way"
*cheeeennnnn and sparkle healing effects*
"Oh... apparently it does?"
'NOW FLY, FLY LIKE YOU'VE NEVER FLOWN BEFORE!'
"I HAVEN'T!"
...at that point I was sold.
Post by: Max™ on January 22, 2019, 10:46:31 pm
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Post by: ggamer on January 24, 2019, 04:22:44 pm
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Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on January 24, 2019, 10:05:48 pm
Not that it was bad, it just went by so fast!
Post by: Folly on February 09, 2019, 10:20:01 pm
Really enjoying it so far. It feels like a cross between Ghost in the Shell and Gundam, with lots of fancy tech toys setting the stage for all out warfare between factions of giant robots.
Post by: Folly on February 10, 2019, 10:21:17 pm
Valentines Day Sucks Song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EduhWmCi4gk)
Looking forward to season 3~
Post by: Folly on February 15, 2019, 10:12:37 pm
EDIT:
Just finished watching it. Season 2 was a lot like season 1, too short. There were some interesting parts, to be sure. But this is definitely a series that would be easier to digest in one binge after it's completed.
Post by: Folly on February 22, 2019, 03:49:25 pm
Hilda is wonderful. Its delightful urban fantasy. I wish there was more.
I just finished Season 1 of Hilda.
This show definitely has Gravity Falls vibes, with kids discovering supernatural creatures in the everyday world all around them. But in GF the kids sort of treated the creatures as annoyances that had to be overcome or tolerated; Hilda treats creatures as wonderful adventures to be explored and enjoyed.
Season 2 has been confirmed, but is not expected until 2020.
Post by: Levi on February 22, 2019, 04:10:41 pm
A fun WTF moment was part way through I notice Dr. Orpheus's spirit guide/mentor is voiced by the same guy who voices Archer, and pretty much talks the same way too.
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Post by: Folly on March 11, 2019, 01:06:40 am
Loved the lullabye. Apparently it is a remix of the moon theme song from the DuckTales NES video game. Several other elements of the episode were also taken from that game.
Post by: Folly on March 12, 2019, 09:19:10 pm
It's off to a strong start, but I'm still sad this show is ending. They started way too many new story arcs in the last season, and there's just no way they will all get a satisfactory conclusion.
Post by: Jopax on March 15, 2019, 08:39:21 am
Watched only the first one so far, pretty intense stuff, playing around with cyberpunk ideas in a pretty dark way. We'll see how the other episodes pan out but so far I'm on board.
Another thing to note, aside from looking absolutely gorgeous they actually bothered to have it in a non-shit framerate. It's amazing how much more enjoyable 3d animation is when it doesn't strain your eyes because they couldn't be bothered to make the animation smoother.
Post by: Folly on March 25, 2019, 10:40:57 pm
'Suits' and 'Three Robots' totally deserve to be made into full series. The rest ranged from 'amusing but forgettable' to 'ugh, why did I just watch that?'.
Post by: Levi on March 26, 2019, 12:05:34 pm
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Post by: Jopax on March 27, 2019, 04:32:25 am
As for the rest, there's some hits and there's some misses. Some, like blindspot were a cool concept that could probably work as a feature film if worked on but kinda fell flat aside from the reveal (it really feels like a full film that someone had to condense to 10 minutes). Others like Lucky 13 are cool snippets of larger worlds and they're done pretty well as such. Then there's shit like the yoghurt episode which is probably on par with the 3 robots in my eyes.
Still, even with the meh ones, you're wasting 15 minutes at most so it doesn't feel that bad in the end, and as a whole the idea is cool and I'd love to see a second iteration with even more cool stuff.
Post by: Folly on May 17, 2019, 08:38:22 am
Though I kinda wish Darkwing would just get a spinoff at this point; he's completely derailed the other story arcs.
Post by: Folly on May 19, 2019, 03:00:02 pm
The final season felt both forced and rushed. Relationships ended or were rekindled just to push the plot along, and conflicts were resolved by flipping the game board off the table. There were some good moments too, but ultimately I was left feeling disappointed.
Post by: Folly on May 28, 2019, 10:23:42 pm
The animation quality and storyboarding are both at the level of a Playstation1 RPG. I hear both get better a bit further along though.
Music is great, and the epic fight scenes could give stickman some competition on a good day.
I'm optimistic for this one.
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Post by: Folly on June 11, 2019, 08:52:45 am
Gumball's ending was noteworthy in that it ended with the literal beginning of the end of the world in which it takes place. Some fans have speculated that the writers are hoping to get approved for a movie to give the series closure, but this seems to be pure wishfulness at this point.
OK K.O. has not actually been canceled or renewed for season 3, but there are two main rumors floating around about why it's unlikely to return.
The first rumor is that OKKO is directly competing with Steven Universe for renewal status, and SU just has the better ratings.
The second rumor is that OKKO hired a known loli artist for their staff, and when challenged on it multiple staff members publicly defended both the artist and his art, thus creating irreconcilable differences with the network.
Either way, OKKO second season ended with several unresolved story arcs and big mysteries unanswered, which has left fans somewhat disgruntled. Though at the same time, a major chunk of season 2 was spent on pure filler episodes, full of nothing but memes, references, and weak jokes. We really can't blame the network for not allowing the show to wrap things up when they squandered so much of their resources.
In other news, Final Space Season 2 is set to begin on the 24th of this month, so I will likely be re-watching the first season soon.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on June 11, 2019, 10:33:49 am
Second, I thought SU was over??? They're considering bringing it back for more seasons? (not a terrible idea, until they find a cartoon as popular as itself, Adventure Time, or Regular Show)
Post by: Folly on June 22, 2019, 07:46:45 am
The story absolutely picked up in Season 3. Now all the fighting has actual stakes, and the battles are beginning to take a real toll. Things actually got so intense that the characters spent most of Season 4 just recovering from the shock of it all, which was a bit of an adrenal step backwards, but it did allow for some more storytelling to expand upon the lore of the world.
Overall, definitely glad I gave this series a chance. 2 more seasons to go, with more on the horizon!
Post by: Reelya on June 23, 2019, 03:10:46 am
I finished Season 4 of RWBY.Season 4 was made after Monty Oum died, so it's no surprise it was different. That wasn't an intentional switch down in intensity. Series creator Monty didn't have any background as a *writer*, he started doing fan-battle machinima shorts and then got a job doing battle animation briefly for games. So, no surprise that story got more of a focus instead of grandiose battle scenes after that.
The story absolutely picked up in Season 3. Now all the fighting has actual stakes, and the battles are beginning to take a real toll. Things actually got so intense that the characters spent most of Season 4 just recovering from the shock of it all, which was a bit of an adrenal step backwards, but it did allow for some more storytelling to expand upon the lore of the world.
Overall, definitely glad I gave this series a chance. 2 more seasons to go, with more on the horizon!
Monty died 2 months after season 2 ended, so they did most of the work for season 3 without him. Unfortunately the "the story really started to pick up in season 3" thing was probably because the original creator died, and he was a highschool drop-out who's only story telling experience was from video game fight animation. No offense to the dead, but if he didn't die then the later seasons would probably be just churning the same stuff he'd done for the rest of his career.
I'm not really sure I can be bothered to start it. I dropped it because I didn't like Monty's stuff, and the point that it got heaps better when things went off the rails due to the death of the original creator isn't really a strong selling point.
Post by: Folly on June 24, 2019, 11:11:57 pm
Ugh, that was sooo bad. Was this made by a completely different studio or something? I just don't see how the quality can drop so far from season 1 to season 2. Really, hugely disappointing.
My biggest gripe is that this is in how they resolved the massive cliffhanger from season 1. A minor background character who had less than a single minute of screen time in season 1 inexplicably had a massive vocation change which by purely random chance happened to put him in the right place at the right time to save our hero. So lame. Also, now they're sending Gary on a fetch quest? Totally chiche. The new characters are bad. The changes to the old characters are bad. Everything about this is bad.
*sigh* Why? :-[
Post by: Folly on July 01, 2019, 07:25:21 am
I also started watching Amphibia, Disney's recent isekai cartoon from one of the directors of Gravity Falls.
The animation and music both strongly draw from what made Gravity Falls charming, and there also seems to be an underlying mystery that will be very slowly revealed amidst lots and lots of filler. However the humor much more closely resembles Futurama, with lots of bad puns and gags made bearable largely due to a cheerful and enthusiastic cast of characters. I consider this one quite watchable.
Post by: Folly on July 13, 2019, 08:46:49 pm
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Yes, it's over.
It hasn't been stated directly, but the general assumption is that 3Below was meant to be 3 seasons like Trollhunters, but had to be cut short due to lack of time since Wizards was promised to come this year.
Regarding Final Space, the first 3 episodes were all pretty terrible and it was beginning to look like the show was a lost cause. But episode 4 aired last night and went a long way towards redeeming the season. Easily one of the best episodes yet, from both seasons. Very dramatic, emotional, and with a surprising twist. Hopefully we will see more like this!
Post by: Folly on July 18, 2019, 02:19:23 pm
Although most of the season was filler, it was amusing filler. The finale had lots of character development and plot advancement, but it also left a lot yet to be seen in future seasons. Looking forward to more, though I fear it will be a while.
Post by: Folly on August 11, 2019, 03:25:37 pm
This season had a lot more character development than I've come to expect from Kung Fu Panda, with an evil villain with a tragic backstory and a pampered princess who has to learn how to fight for her throne. It all kind of fell apart at the end though, when everyone basically decided to forgive all that had happened and start playing nice with eachother.
Human Discoveries is a new show in the middle of it's first season, all about cavemen discovering both inventions and social conventions for the first time. Not exactly must-watch television, but I'm finding it consistently amusing and will continue to watch.
Mao Mao: Heroes of Pure Heart is a show that's about 60% cute and 40% awesome, with a ninja cat having epic fights with giant monsters to protect a village of cuties. Very light humor that is easy to watch, but also with just a bit of meta sprinkled in here and there.
Big Mouth recently announced that it has been approved for 3 more seasons, after the third season which will air soon! Someone at Netflix must really appreciate this show.
Young Justice has also been renewed for a Season 4, as it is currently nearing the end of Season 3. This show continues to be imo by far the best animated superhero drama on TV atm. So glad they brought it back.
Infinity Train season 1 recently aired. This miniseries definitely felt rushed. The twist was a bit predictable, and the resolution not wholly satisfying. But still enjoyable overall. This has also been renewed for another season; it will be interesting to see where the show goes, considering how neatly the first season was concluded.
I just watched Rocko's Modern Life: Static Cling. It's a very fitting tribute to the original show. The messaging was more than a little bit heavy-handed though. A return of an old show, in which the plot is about bringing back an old show and enjoying what was while also embracing what has changed.
Archer Season 10 concluded, and Archer is finally back in the real world. This season was easily the best of the dream sequences, but I'm glad for a return to relative normalcy. The finale did conclude with an alarming twist however, and it will be interesting to see where that goes next season...
Post by: Folly on August 17, 2019, 03:31:33 pm
Spoiler Alert: Zim is not a toilet.
Post by: Teneb on August 19, 2019, 04:01:43 pm
Was it actually real though, or merely a crazy dream caused by getting hit in the head?
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Post by: Folly on September 03, 2019, 05:06:11 am
It's a musical. And, big surprise, it culminates in Steven singing a sappy song to convince the bad guy to become a good guy. Also most of the screen time is spent on recapping previous character development.
Production values were fine, and the new character and new fusion were both neat, but otherwise the story was stale. At least it served as a bridge into the post-timeskip era where I assume the next season will take place.
By far my favorite part of this movie was the Adventure Time reference. I actually memorized that song when I first heard it, and find myself singing it sometimes~
Post by: WillowLuman on September 03, 2019, 05:02:21 pm
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Post by: MrWiggles on September 18, 2019, 03:18:37 pm
New episodes of Supermansion just appeared!YES
Post by: Folly on September 19, 2019, 09:33:38 am
At least, I finished the first and currently only season. There's no info on renewal at this time, but the first season had a good full story arc without too bad of a cliffhanger ending, so the creators may not intend to do any more. I guess time will tell.
Undone is basically The Butterfly Effect, in rotoscope-animated show form. A girl suffers head trauma and starts to believe that she can travel through time, but the reality of her situation is left for the audience to decide. The creator of Bojack Horseman was involved, though aside from themes of social instability, I did not see much influence.
Overall I enjoyed Undone. My only real criticism is that I've definitely seen these exact themes before, several times, and that made everything fairly predictable. Still, this was well done and I'd recommend it.
Post by: Folly on September 21, 2019, 06:01:59 pm
edit: apparently this was just the second half of Season 1. Still, a chunk of new episodes are here!
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Post by: pikachu17 on September 24, 2019, 04:29:08 pm
Hello!
Post by: Folly on September 29, 2019, 08:41:08 am
It's a show about a space captain and his koala sidekick who spend their days getting laid, shooting badguys in the face, accidentally airlocking passengers, and then getting laid some more.
The first 30 episodes are very short, running about 3 minutes each and having about as much story as a comic strip. The last 10 episodes extend their duration to around 11 minutes each, add some new supporting characters, and actually have a continuous major story arc. And it's pretty decent.
Obviously this one is not for everybody. But if unabashedly lewd humor and simple quippy jokes are things you're interested in, then I say give it a shot.
Also, while the first 30 episodes are relatively clean, 31-40 do have gratuitous animated nudity.
Post by: Max™ on October 02, 2019, 11:12:19 pm
She was a really good tragic villain I thought. "Why do I want to hurt you so bad? I just want to be your friend."Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Enjoyed the weird trippy "wait why are you my friend you just erased my friends what the fuck" thing too.
Also Steg: Oh no, he's hot! I wasn't ready for this!
Post by: Folly on October 04, 2019, 10:23:20 pm
Edit: Finished watching. This season felt like a small step backwards from previous seasons...but it was still entertaining, and set a good pace for the show to go forward for many more seasons.
Post by: Folly on October 07, 2019, 12:24:38 pm
Just 2 episodes into their 23rd season, South Park got itself banned from China!
Post by: Max™ on October 08, 2019, 02:48:36 am
>struggle when trying to talk about how brutal and harsh Primal is
>consider pointing out it's so metal it's stone
>stand there with a stoic yet haggard look on my face
>turn silently to leave
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Post by: Bumber on October 27, 2019, 05:14:06 pm
I want to watch Primal but I don't have the right kind of Hulu ;-;http://www.adultswim.com/videos/primal
You'll have to wait for the other episodes to become available if you don't have a cable provider.
Post by: Dunamisdeos on October 28, 2019, 12:23:12 pm
I want to watch Primal but I don't have the right kind of Hulu ;-;http://www.adultswim.com/videos/primal
You'll have to wait for the other episodes to become available if you don't have a cable provider.
Yeah I saw the first episode but I can't watch the rest of Caveman Jack and his Hyperviolent Dinosaur Adventures. No Cable.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on October 29, 2019, 08:32:50 am
Post by: Sergius on October 29, 2019, 10:31:03 am
Bojack season 6 is here!
Most of it, at least (finale's not out yet).
Post by: Folly on November 03, 2019, 10:22:41 pm
Post by: Folly on November 24, 2019, 01:42:54 pm
I just finished binging it. Like the previous seasons, it was a bit of a mix between rushed story and tedious filler. Still, overall it was the best season yet.
The producers revealed that they expect this show to have 3 major story arcs, each consisting of 3 seasons, so this was the end of the first major arc. And it had all the elements of a great finale, including a massive battle, dragons, romance, magic, and creepy villains going too far.
This show has definitely moved up in my esteem from 'mildly interesting' to 'much hype', and I can't wait to see what happens next!
Post by: Max™ on November 26, 2019, 04:14:11 am
To date though I haven't seen anyone comment on the shape of the bomb Rick left for Tony, it kinda looked like a weird pumpkin to me, and she pointed out that's because it's a blumpkin.
She's a hoot.
Post by: itisnotlogical on December 20, 2019, 10:33:31 pm
The finale was awesome, but unfortunately I'm left with a lot of mixed feelings. I feel like a few characters didn't really get their day in the sun, and the entire last season is basically an aside to the rest of the show. I loved the finale, but everything leading up to it was kinda "meh."
Spoiler: Spoilerish summary of my problems (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Some favorite episodes from the top of my head (click to show/hide)
Post by: Folly on December 21, 2019, 12:11:18 am
Personally I enjoyed BW, though it has gotten mixed reviews from the community, so it's hard to recommend.
Sadly the fourth season ended a year ago with a minor cliffhanger, and there's been no word about renewal, but it looks bleak. However a spinoff was just announced a few weeks ago, so that's something.
Post by: Folly on December 29, 2019, 11:02:01 pm
It's a series of shorts and one movie, about stick figures, one of whom is a figurative dick.
Humor is unapologetically crass, which I found amusing, but obviously won't suit everyone. There were a couple of decent musical episodes, and the movie was entertaining enough. The final episode however was one of the most disappointing conclusions I have ever experienced. I am utterly dumbfounded as to why they would choose to go out like that.
Post by: Folly on January 10, 2020, 09:52:45 pm
I liked it better than the first season, and that was pretty good too. I'm a bit disappointed that Alan Dracula never really developed into anything though. Just a random god-tier character who tagged along and occasionally saved the day but was largely apathetic.
Also been watching Harley Quinn.
Really enjoying this one. It has a Saturday morning cartoon vibe. Lots of creativity, but doesn't take itself too seriously. Just a very chill plot with simple but amusing characters doing their supervillain thing.
Post by: ggamer on January 12, 2020, 02:41:38 pm
Post by: Max™ on January 12, 2020, 09:52:27 pm
Post by: Folly on January 31, 2020, 11:44:34 pm
Binging now~
Edit:
Finished.
In true Bojack fashion, there are no happy endings, because the show must go on. Until it doesn't.
My only real regret is that we never got any closure with Holleyhock. Otherwise though, it was a poignant final season, and I'm glad that I got to experience it.
Post by: itisnotlogical on February 03, 2020, 12:36:54 am
The biggest thing I dislike in Rebels is what I call "cartoon speak." A typical episode setup goes like this:
Villain appears "I am here to stop you from completing your goals this episode."
Cut to tough guy "Oh man, I hate (villain)."
Cut to smart character "We need to find a way to stop (villain.)"
Later, during and after a fight scene "Haha, I love (beating/smashing/blasting/stomping) (villain!)"
It's more soulless and by-the-numbers than a toy commercial, which Rebels often feels like due to its softer designs and ridiculously play-worthy contraptions. Even Clone Wars' earliest episodes, before it found its niche, weren't this childish and predictable.
Post by: delphonso on February 03, 2020, 12:52:40 am
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on February 03, 2020, 01:08:49 pm
Rebels has a lot more fan service and too-obvious tropes, but it also has some surprisingly deep moments and the inclusion of seen-before villains and allies is actually a mostly welcome occurrence. I would say on an episode-for-episode average you can expect an average to above-average level of writing and execution, but individually the highs are high and the lows are low.
The main cast is mixed imo, Kanan is my personal fav because he's limited by his admittedly incomplete training and exile BUT without being a hopeless incompetent. Also he maintains his jedi-ness without succumbing to and in the end overcoming the shortfallings of the order. As for the others,
Ezra is a hit or miss for me, in the beginning his struggles are compelling as a makeshift padawan who doesnt really have a hope in defeating the empire, as his powers and plot-armor grow he becomes steadily less interesting until he's capable of effecting the universe more than he ought to be. Maul (who is interesting by himself) and good ole Palpatine seem to think he's really important for some reason (even though he really isnt) and its a bit jarring.
Zeb, Sabine, and Hera all have their moments, but like @itsnotlogical pointed out they more often resort to their NPC energy and fill their little archetypes (which can be visibly apparent at times, especially with Zeb). Chop is chop... who knew giving R2D2 arms would be so successful lol.
Callus is fun, but he becomes a spy a little too easily for my liking lol.
Thrawn got butchered, a big waste as many before me have pointed out.
The rest of the (mostly Imperial) rogue's gallery don't really get enough screen time to warrant attention (even Vader is p meh after his initial hunt for Kana and Ezra).
Special treats like Rex and Kenobi are great!
In short, while they the design and writing teams were (thankfully and with appreciation) doing a great job paying homage to the universe as collectively imagined, they also fell prey to Disney's, "just make it different, not better" syndrome. I am unsure why (other than being controlled by a creatively-incompetent corporation like Disney) artists, writers, and creatives in general struggle to write compelling stories in the SW universe, before Mandalorian (which I thought mostly nailed it), a good New Star Wars story looked like Star Wars, but was dreadfully boring, and a bad New Star Wars story looked like generic sci-fi rip offs of Star Wars with stories that LITERALLY didn't make any sense or had so many plot holes you were at risk of breaking you neck navigating them.
Compared to those, Rebels rates fairly high. (but like Clone Wars, is too painfully close to greatness to enjoy it again without wondering what could have been)
Post by: Folly on February 08, 2020, 11:11:28 pm
The drama this season felt entirely too contrived. A slew of new characters were introduced as obvious counterparts to our existing protagonists, which made their betrayal utterly predictable. Still, it allowed for some excellent fight scenes. Music in this show also continues to be top-notch.
I eagerly await whatever comes next!
I also just finished catching up on all the current episodes of Unikitty.
This show seems to be equal parts weak filler, movie/show parodies, and original genuinely creative content. Quite hit-or-miss, but definitely watchable.
Post by: Folly on February 20, 2020, 09:31:06 am
Firstly, I absolutely adore the style dripping from this show. Music and art are both inspired and creative. Every episode is exciting and fun.
Story is solid. Post-apocalypse setting where mutated animals have taken over, and most surviving humans have retreated to underground bunkers. It feels a lot like Fallout, with our protagonist coming outside for the first time and having a big world full of twisted abominations to meet and either befriend or run away from.
This season ends on a minor cliffhanger with no renewal announced at this time, but it's clearly a popular show and Netflix has an excellent record of renewing popular shows, so I'm highly optimistic.
Post by: Folly on March 06, 2020, 10:36:50 pm
Edit: Finished watching season 2. We got a Brickleberry crossover episode! Squeeeee!
Also I learned that Brickleberry got a comic book to resolve the cliffhanger it was canceled on. So now I have to read that.
And now Paradise PD got a cliffhanger ending at the end of season 2. Looking forward to finding out what happens next in season 3!
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on March 23, 2020, 08:45:42 pm
I just finished season 3 of Castlevania
It's still got it, and doing a surprisingly good job of mixing in lore/inspirations from the games while developing a few characters from last season further than I thought theyd go. Uhhhh, sex--with heavy BDSM overtones for some reason lol, but it works and its fun so whatever! A little bit slower in terms of action, and yet I can still comfortably say this season was too damn short. Will probably keep watching forever, and honestly if they keep making seasons in this format they can probably keep making it forever too.
ALSO, just watched the Hazbin Hotel pilot.
Wow, I fookin' loved this. Went in fairly blind too and just agh, "tortuously long wait for the second episode" is right. Cheeky, profane, and technically gorgeous--it's very good all around. I don't want to say too much about it otherwise, but I'll definitely continue to watch and give everyone a FIRM recommendation to check out the pilot (on youtube).
Post by: itisnotlogical on March 24, 2020, 02:27:50 am
I also just finished Rebels. To frame this, I did use a watch guide which dissuaded me from a number of poorly written or executed episodes (I tried to watch one of the not-recommended ones and it was... p bad to say the least).
Rebels has a lot more fan service and too-obvious tropes, but it also has some surprisingly deep moments and the inclusion of seen-before villains and allies is actually a mostly welcome occurrence. I would say on an episode-for-episode average you can expect an average to above-average level of writing and execution, but individually the highs are high and the lows are low.
The main cast is mixed imo, Kanan is my personal fav because he's limited by his admittedly incomplete training and exile BUT without being a hopeless incompetent. Also he maintains his jedi-ness without succumbing to and in the end overcoming the shortfallings of the order. As for the others,
Ezra is a hit or miss for me, in the beginning his struggles are compelling as a makeshift padawan who doesnt really have a hope in defeating the empire, as his powers and plot-armor grow he becomes steadily less interesting until he's capable of effecting the universe more than he ought to be. Maul (who is interesting by himself) and good ole Palpatine seem to think he's really important for some reason (even though he really isnt) and its a bit jarring.
Zeb, Sabine, and Hera all have their moments, but like @itsnotlogical pointed out they more often resort to their NPC energy and fill their little archetypes (which can be visibly apparent at times, especially with Zeb). Chop is chop... who knew giving R2D2 arms would be so successful lol.
Callus is fun, but he becomes a spy a little too easily for my liking lol.
Thrawn got butchered, a big waste as many before me have pointed out.
The rest of the (mostly Imperial) rogue's gallery don't really get enough screen time to warrant attention (even Vader is p meh after his initial hunt for Kana and Ezra).
Special treats like Rex and Kenobi are great!
In short, while they the design and writing teams were (thankfully and with appreciation) doing a great job paying homage to the universe as collectively imagined, they also fell prey to Disney's, "just make it different, not better" syndrome. I am unsure why (other than being controlled by a creatively-incompetent corporation like Disney) artists, writers, and creatives in general struggle to write compelling stories in the SW universe, before Mandalorian (which I thought mostly nailed it), a good New Star Wars story looked like Star Wars, but was dreadfully boring, and a bad New Star Wars story looked like generic sci-fi rip offs of Star Wars with stories that LITERALLY didn't make any sense or had so many plot holes you were at risk of breaking you neck navigating them.
Compared to those, Rebels rates fairly high. (but like Clone Wars, is too painfully close to greatness to enjoy it again without wondering what could have been)
I just finished season 3 of Rebels, so I'm getting close to the end.
Kanan is... alright, I guess. I see a lot of wasted potential in his relationship with Hera and the ways he could possibly deviate from his incomplete training, since their relationship clearly has romantic subtext. Hera doesn't get enough of her own moments for me to think about but is mostly inoffensive. I like Sabine, but mostly because I have a soft spot for that sort of punk girl archetype. Zeb is starting to redeem himself but is still the weakest of the cast IMO.
I really, really dislike Ezra, and a lot of my friction with the show comes from Ezra just being Luke Skywalker from the first act of A New Hope... for four seasons. He's still naive, whiny, impatient, petulant, eager, all the stuff that made Luke's arc so compelling in Empire and Return, but Ezra hasn't had his act 3 yet. Maybe that's coming in season 4 but I doubt it.
I'm kinda glad Vader (seemingly) vanished from the show after S2. Having him appear after the resolution of Ahsoka's storyline wouldn't just be jumping the shark, it'd be burying the shark in the center of the Earth so that everybody, everywhere spends their entire lives above it.
As for Disney Wars, it's a mixed bag like the franchise always has been. It's only had five years, whereas the original EU had been around for thirty-eight. For all the old EU books, games and stories people like, I'm dead certain there are just as many Holiday Special-level stinkers that have been forgotten about. In about 20 years when this decade enters the nostalgia cycle we'll be hating on the new thing and remembering all the good parts of Disney Wars, while selectively forgetting or forgiving the bad stuff.
Post by: Iduno on March 24, 2020, 01:14:34 pm
Post by: Folly on March 27, 2020, 11:18:50 pm
I was really hoping we would see some other types of aliens. I was also hoping for more info about Steven's creation, and more about the pink lions.
The final season saw the Homeworld Diamonds learning to reverse their powers, and use them in a positive way. We also saw Steven reverse his power to create life, and flirt with destroying it a bit. I feel like they should have gone further with it though. Give Steven a reason to really unleash and see just how much destruction he can cause; and eventually let him accept that this is also a part of who and what he is.
The end was not all I hoped for...but it had to end eventually, and this was a better ending than many cartoons get.
Post by: itisnotlogical on March 28, 2020, 11:08:46 pm
Post by: Folly on March 29, 2020, 04:41:28 pm
Post by: Folly on April 03, 2020, 02:29:53 pm
Far sooner than anyone expected, a second season of Harley Quinn has appeared!
Post by: Max™ on April 05, 2020, 11:34:26 pm
She asks me why he didn't just go in VR or something and I'm like 'because you'd still be crapping where ever you are' so she busts out this:
"Sir, there's not a lot of things you can't do at Hardee's, but this is one of them."
I add 'Did you not see the sign which says "PLEASE Stop Shitting In Our Booths" right there?'
"So wait, what are the other things you can't do?"
'Human trafficking... that's about it.'
Post by: kaijyuu on April 06, 2020, 12:14:09 am
Man does time fly.
Post by: scriver on April 06, 2020, 12:16:07 am
Post by: Folly on April 16, 2020, 02:35:09 am
I generally try to stay away from high-school dramas, but heard some good things about this one so decided to give it a chance. The animation is a bit messy at first, but gets much better after a few episodes. Music is delightful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9WJ2EoK_s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9WJ2EoK_s)
Story revolves around the usual high-school drama of kids struggling with a society telling them to be civilized contributing little tools, while their hormones are simultaneously demanding that they either fuck or fight anything that moves. On top of this is added a third layer of their animal instincts which tell all the kids to either eat or flee from the herbivores and carnivores around them.
There is a diverse cast of characters, each with distinct backstories and motivations, and honestly I absolutely love every single one of them. There is also a fair amount of worldbuilding, painting a picture of a detailed world in which a variety of creatures live and interact with eachother.
Without spoiling too much of the drama, I will simply say that this show was a rollercoaster of joy to watch. Fortunately it did not end on too bad of a cliffhanger, because the second season is not expected until 2021. I'll be eagerly waiting until then!
Post by: itisnotlogical on April 16, 2020, 02:37:03 am
I liked Beastars a lot. The masculinity and gender politic metaphors are crazy, and I can't wait until somebody smarter and more willing to post a YouTube video than me starts reading into them.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 16, 2020, 10:40:38 am
Check out the trailer, the series premiers on Netflix on 4/20 (lol, got 'em--but for real, it does.) A new very strange, very weird, and relatively dark adult cartoon from my boy Pendleton Ward (YES. YEEEES). It seems to be a very irreverent and surreal existentialist bit so... I'm excited for the 8 episode season 1.
Post by: King Zultan on April 17, 2020, 08:06:10 am
Post by: Folly on April 26, 2020, 02:00:36 pm
The first episode feels like the creator was just trying to be as completely random and nonsensical as possible. The first half of Season 1 feels like they were then trying to build some structure around that nonsense and actually shape it into a rational world in which they could create stories. Then the second half of Season 1 has them starting some fairly interesting story arcs. Then Season 2 feels like they fired all those creative writers who came before and hired some hacks to write pure filler, but realized halfway through that this was garbage and just abandoned the project.
There's definitely some interesting and original content here...but overall, it's difficult to recommend.
Post by: Yoink on April 26, 2020, 07:30:43 pm
The Midnight GospelI'm skeptical, but after watching part of the trailer I'm nonetheless very keen to drop acid and give it a shot.
Check out the trailer, the series premiers on Netflix on 4/20 (lol, got 'em--but for real, it does.) A new very strange, very weird, and relatively dark adult cartoon from my boy Pendleton Ward (YES. YEEEES). It seems to be a very irreverent and surreal existentialist bit so... I'm excited for the 8 episode season 1.
Now, if only this lockdown would end so I could acquire such things... I suppose a cough syrup cocktail might do the trick. :P
Just wish I had access to friends to watch with.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on April 26, 2020, 10:01:31 pm
EDIT: Also I should mention, quality-wise each episode is better than the last.
Post by: MrWiggles on May 04, 2020, 08:26:39 am
Its done by a particular podcaster. And if you can stand a lot of metaphysical conversation, then go for it. There is some semblance of a plot on top of the interviews but not a lot.
It left me somber afterward.
Post by: Yoink on May 04, 2020, 11:14:50 am
Midnight Gospel is Dr. Katz meets Super Prison.You mean Superjail, right? Because if so that sounds amazing.
Gods, I miss Superjail. Screw you, Mister Pickles. Bad dog.
Post by: George_Chickens on May 04, 2020, 11:23:48 am
I can't believe they cancelled Superjail and Metalocalypse for this. It's not even funny.Midnight Gospel is Dr. Katz meets Super Prison.You mean Superjail, right? Because if so that sounds amazing.
Gods, I miss Superjail. Screw you, Mister Pickles. Bad dog.
Post by: Yoink on May 04, 2020, 01:02:55 pm
Maybe you have to be sufficiently disturbed to appreciate it, I don't know - I hated it at first but for some reason was compelled to keep watching and before long it had wormed its way into my consciousness and then I coerced others into watching it and it spread like the clap. From what I remember most of the 2nd season was pretty bad, though? I dunno it's been a long time since I watched it.
Superjail, though, was a bloody brilliant show by any metric. Great art, fascinating settings and scenery, more zany antics than you can shake a severed limb at and, amazingly enough, madcap characters one actually comes to care about over the course of the show. I'm pretty sure there was even character development, but it's been a while.
Oh and plenty of really off-the-wall humour, sometimes rather shocking but not just in-your-face like Mr. Pickles. Ugh.
Post by: MrWiggles on May 04, 2020, 11:50:41 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on May 05, 2020, 03:49:55 am
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 05, 2020, 11:44:01 am
Post by: Folly on May 05, 2020, 04:26:15 pm
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 05, 2020, 05:52:20 pm
Post by: Folly on May 08, 2020, 09:22:54 pm
It appears to be set in the same multiverse as Rick and Morty...though that may just be a cosmetic connection due to it being made by the same people.
I'm only a few episodes in, but enjoying it so far. It's like R&M with less fart jokes, and less meta-arcs. Just more traditional episodic sitcom type stuff.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 08, 2020, 11:40:37 pm
Gasp!And it was good, and the people rejoiced.
Far sooner than anyone expected, a second season of Harley Quinn has appeared!
Post by: Yoink on May 09, 2020, 01:29:25 am
First season of Solar Opposites just dropped on Hulu.Huh, interesting - apparently there are still several more Rick and Morty episodes scheduled to come out over the next month or so, too, but perhaps that's just a last hurrah for the show before its creators move on to other stuff, like this Polar Opposites thingy?
It appears to be set in the same multiverse as Rick and Morty...though that may just be a cosmetic connection due to it being made by the same people.
I'm only a few episodes in, but enjoying it so far. It's like R&M with less fart jokes, and less meta-arcs. Just more traditional episodic sitcom type stuff.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 09, 2020, 08:04:10 am
First season of Solar Opposites just dropped on Hulu.Huh, interesting - apparently there are still several more Rick and Morty episodes scheduled to come out over the next month or so, too, but perhaps that's just a last hurrah for the show before its creators move on to other stuff, like this Polar Opposites thingy?
It appears to be set in the same multiverse as Rick and Morty...though that may just be a cosmetic connection due to it being made by the same people.
I'm only a few episodes in, but enjoying it so far. It's like R&M with less fart jokes, and less meta-arcs. Just more traditional episodic sitcom type stuff.
I doubt it,
Dan Harmon is just a perfectionist (probably to RnM detriment) and Roiland is... more of a sketch artist so to speak, he's always been doing independent projects throughout RnM's development, I think this is just the natural conclusion to that.
Post by: Folly on May 09, 2020, 08:22:11 pm
That wall-world arc got pretty intense.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I also finished Midnight Gospel.
Honestly, I feel like the first few episodes would have been better watched on mute. The podcast stuff had no relation at all to the action, and the latter was far more interesting than the former.
But gradually the podcasts became more relevant and interesting, and the finale had a lot of feels. I wouldn't mind watching more, if it gets a second season. So far the creators have been keeping quiet on that subject, which isn't a 'no'.
Post by: Folly on May 16, 2020, 08:41:10 pm
Dialogue is terrible. Plot twists are very predictable. Animation isn't great. Second season was only slightly better than the first, on all counts.
Overall, I'm calling this one barely watchable.
Post by: Folly on May 20, 2020, 05:15:03 am
Now yes, this sounds like the worst premise for a story ever, and it really is. But I read some positive reviews and decided to give it a shot, and I was pleasantly surprised.
First of all, the video games references are absolutely spot-on. I've played a lots of different video games over the years, and this show does an excellent job of showcasing what makes different genres unique and fun. Beyond that, the jokes are amusing, the characters are distinct and likeable, music is awesome, and the animation looks great. There are even hints that the ridiculous premise might be salvaged through an eventual reveal of mysterious and nefarious forces working behind the scenes to make these unlikely scenarios somehow plausible.
Definitely recommend giving this one a chance.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 22, 2020, 11:26:12 am
Overall I'm looking forward to S2, I suspect Roiland and McMahan will continue to evolve it in a positive direction.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 22, 2020, 06:37:52 pm
Post by: Folly on June 04, 2020, 12:31:42 am
Animation quality is very basic, with stopmotion dolls whose mouths and fingers don't move, and episodes are 5-10 minutes each. So, measured expectations.
For what it is, the show is fairly amusing. A bit of drama and intrigue amongst a lot of filler, and both are pretty funny. I'd recommend it.
Post by: Folly on June 13, 2020, 12:19:00 am
Also a first season of some show called Crossing Swords just dropped on Hulu. Gonna add it to my backlog and check it out later.
Apple recently began airing a show called Central Park, from the creators of Bob's Burgers. It's a musical.
4 episodes in, I'm enjoying it only slightly less than Bob's Burgers, but that's still pretty good. It's entertaining, but nothing about it really wows me.
Edit:
Finished watching new seasons of Kipo and F. Both had interesting new story developments and maintained the quality from previous seasons. Looking forward to more!
Post by: Porpoisepower on June 14, 2020, 09:55:29 pm
(https://images.app.goo.gl/qeCXsaYu56wxBSnT8)
Post by: scriver on June 15, 2020, 12:25:21 am
It's important for the level of glee from me it deserved :D
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on June 30, 2020, 09:22:42 pm
Post by: Folly on July 04, 2020, 09:56:24 pm
It's very funny! And with a decent story too.
Animation is a bit simple, with the characters having no arms or legs; but otherwise the visuals are very well done, and music sounds good as well.
Definitely would recommend this one.
Post by: Sergius on July 13, 2020, 03:51:49 pm
Star Trek cartoon show. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3RkBKedKWw)
Thoughts?
Post by: kaijyuu on July 13, 2020, 03:54:08 pm
Post by: Telgin on July 13, 2020, 07:37:27 pm
Post by: Dunamisdeos on July 13, 2020, 08:21:36 pm
This might be good.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on July 13, 2020, 10:07:10 pm
When I heard about Lower Decks, I assumed it would be a live action series. This... is not what I expected.
Same, I had no idea they were animating it. I LIKE Mike McMahon, I don't think he is as irreverent as Harmon or Roiland, but then I don't know of anything he's done outside of their shows. So I'll watch it, but from the trailer it doesn't seem very... well Trekky.
Cautiously Neutral.
EDIT: Ah, I see Alex Kurtzmann is one of the producers. Not that that is surprising, but that almost guarantees its ineptitude. RIP
Post by: King Zultan on July 14, 2020, 02:30:12 am
Post by: Sergius on July 15, 2020, 10:56:17 am
If you think it looks bad, is it because you think the animation/art (style) looks bad in quality? Including other shows where it is used? Is it because it is Star Trek?
Is it the kind of humor?
Post by: kaijyuu on July 15, 2020, 11:12:14 am
Star Trek Farce Comedy could work... just not in that style. Too much irreverence, not enough wit.
Post by: IronyOwl on July 15, 2020, 03:19:35 pm
Follow-up question:Artstyle indeed looks bad, or at least not conducive to Star Trek. I like that style in Rick & Morty, but it's trying to be goofy and stupid there.
If you think it looks bad, is it because you think the animation/art (style) looks bad in quality? Including other shows where it is used? Is it because it is Star Trek?
Is it the kind of humor?
The more important part is that the humor feels entirely hollow and vapid. It's a good style for that, but I don't want to watch entirely stupid humor, and it's a bizarre waste on Star Trek.
Post by: Dunamisdeos on July 15, 2020, 03:29:55 pm
Post by: King Zultan on July 16, 2020, 03:29:36 am
Post by: Telgin on July 16, 2020, 05:16:54 am
I don't know, it's hard to guess how well it'll work in full episodes until I see one. But I'm not extremely hopeful.
Post by: Folly on July 31, 2020, 05:44:14 pm
It's only 6 short 20-minute episodes, so I binged it fairly quickly. I found it disappointing.
Stylistically it felt very low energy, and low quality. Certainly far below the standard I've come to expect from Rooster Teeth. Story-wise, I felt a bit confused about the motives of the characters and generally uninterested in their plight. Apparently there's been a war on Cybertron with devastating effect; but I never really found out exactly what they were fighting about, nor did I feel like we got a good view of the scope of the damage and the current state of Cybertron. The only bots we ever saw were those directly involved in the story, so for the first few episodes it feels like there's maybe a dozen bots alive on this entire planet. Then in the last episode they pull out a small army of drones that have apparently been hiding away somewhere, only to have our protagonists kill most of them in battle while whining about how their race is going extinct.
Post by: Folly on August 07, 2020, 07:35:13 pm
Edit: Finished binging it.
It felt a bit rushed at times. There were several points where characters just did instant 180° personality changes with no transition time, and that was a bit jarring. I feel like they could have stretched this into two seasons easily.
Still, it was exciting throughout. They did a time-travel thing that explained a lot of the backstory from the first arc, while also moving things forward in meaningful ways.
I'm very disappointed that Jim Lake is no longer a half-troll. He was way too cute in that form. Also disappointed we didn't see a bit more of the aliens. Their inclusion this season felt like a token at best.
There's supposed to be a movie at some point to wrap things up. Looking forward to it.
Post by: Folly on August 08, 2020, 11:28:10 pm
For a while now we've seen suggestive blushes from Amity when she's near Luz, but tonight we finally got some hard evidence of romantic interest in the form of an unread letter asking Luz to be Amity's date for the school dance.
So far there's not been much evidence to suggest that Luz reciprocates these feelings. She's certainly friendly, but that's all.
Of course everyone is now shipping these girls eventually getting together, but personally I think it would be much more interesting if they went a different route. Luz could develop a relationship with another character before Amity confesses her feelings, creating an awkward love triangle, which might drive Amity to become something of a villain as she fights for Luz's affection. Or maybe Luz is just asexual, and when Amity gets rejected she becomes depressed and starts lashing out until she gets lured over to the dark side. Almost anything would be more interesting than our heroines simply living happily ever after.
Also, what was up with those letters? The obvious answer would be that Eda has been sending the letters to cover for Luz and keep her around, though it seems a bit unnecessary, and strange that a character with such an open and carefree personality would be scheming in secret. But offhand I can't think of any other characters who know Luz and her situation well enough to do something like this.
Post by: Bumber on August 09, 2020, 07:21:34 am
Also, what was up with those letters? The obvious answer would be that Eda has been sending the letters to cover for Luz and keep her around, though it seems a bit unnecessary, and strange that a character with such an open and carefree personality would be scheming in secret. But offhand I can't think of any other characters who know Luz and her situation well enough to do something like this.
Could be someone who arranged for Luz to come to the Boiling Isles as part of some convoluted plot. Potentially whoever cursed Eda, if we're going with somebody who's been established to exist. (Thinking that could be the Emperor, but it seems too cliche.)
Post by: Folly on August 09, 2020, 11:17:39 pm
Humor, story, and art all exceeded my expectations. It may not be the absolute best cartoon I see this year, but it's certainly in the running. I'm looking forward to seeing more.
Post by: Folly on August 14, 2020, 08:53:46 am
Like the second season, the third is focusing on some disreputable characters from the previous season, giving them some backstory and maybe a chance to redeem themselves, while simultaneously allowing us to learn a bit more about the mysteries of the train. So far it's pretty good!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on August 15, 2020, 08:26:16 pm
I caught the first episode of Star Trek: Lower Decks.
Humor, story, and art all exceeded my expectations. It may not be the absolute best cartoon I see this year, but it's certainly in the running. I'm looking forward to seeing more.
Just saw the pilot. Hm. I don't know how to feel, honestly it is not nearly as bad as it COULD have been so... there's that. That said, the Rick n Morty humor really REALLY does not fit at all. BUT. If you can look past that? There is a solid 6-7/10 show waiting to be watched, with the potential to be considerably better if it drops some of the unnecessary humor.
EDIT: I watched the second episode, and can confirm that the less Mike McMahon tries to be funny or make others be funny, the better they can actually write. That said, the humor is... tough to get through. Also some of the characters are just......... not Starfleet material lol
Post by: Folly on August 17, 2020, 07:07:36 am
Edit:
Finished the season. Plenty more wonderful video game references. Somewhat less progression than I would have liked on the bigger mysteries behind this show. Still, quite enjoyable.
Post by: Folly on August 28, 2020, 09:29:37 pm
It's very much a one-note show. There was a little bit of story progression in the last couple of episodes, and a few side-stories about the kids on the basketball team, but for the most part the entire show rides on these amusingly level-headed rants. I found it fairly enjoyable for a casual watch, but don't go into this one expecting much more than a simple comedic narrative in a mundane setting and style.
Post by: Folly on September 22, 2020, 04:24:33 pm
Animation is fairly bad, particularly in the first few episodes. Lots of awkward movements, weird looking models, and low fps. On the other hands, lots of boobies. Also they got one of those slick opening sequences like Game of Thrones and Westwood had.
Story stuck fairly close to the game, which is impressive considering that the game was not particularly story-driven. I'm a bit disappointed that we never got to see the politics of the capital city, and didn't learn anything at all about the Pawns. Maybe we'll see these things if we get a second season.
Post by: scriver on September 23, 2020, 07:58:56 am
Post by: Zangi on September 23, 2020, 08:00:44 am
I think they just focused too much on the 7 sins moral of the story thing. It wasn’t really that prevalent in the game if memory serves.
Post by: scriver on September 23, 2020, 08:27:23 am
Post by: Yoink on September 23, 2020, 12:41:53 pm
I finished watching the first season of Hoops, a recent Netflix cartoon about a perpetually angry man who rants about whatever minor or major obstacle is currently bugging him.Well, I mean... do you really need more?
It's very much a one-note show. There was a little bit of story progression in the last couple of episodes, and a few side-stories about the kids on the basketball team, but for the most part the entire show rides on these amusingly level-headed rants. I found it fairly enjoyable for a casual watch, but don't go into this one expecting much more than a simple comedic narrative in a mundane setting and style.
I actually quite liked it. Bit like some somewhat generic crude comedy film (I'm sure you know the type, it probably stars Will Ferrell or David Spade or some such) but spread out over a whole show. And animated. Kind of a refreshing change from animated series that just throw in a whole bunch of weird shit simply because they don't have the constraints of live-action. Don't get me wrong, I freaking adore Superjail. But there the zaniness is the point of the show, not just something tacked on.
It is almost 4am currently so this post probably makes less sense than it might have made have I made it when I first saw your verdict of Hoops, haha.
I was kinda bummed to see the Dragon's Dogma series is in fact anime. I had only seen a vague splash screen without a trailer and I guess I didn't scrutinise the image closely enough so I didn't realise, haha. Oops.
Post by: delphonso on September 23, 2020, 06:15:38 pm
Post by: Folly on October 08, 2020, 03:09:06 pm
Season 2 has already been approved, and went into production immediately after Season 1, so hopefully the wait won't be too long.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on October 08, 2020, 08:42:28 pm
Lower Decks Season 1 has concluded. Lots of good episodes, but the last 2 were particularly great!
Season 2 has already been approved, and went into production immediately after Season 1, so hopefully the wait won't be too long.
Did it improve from the first few episodes???
Post by: Folly on October 17, 2020, 10:37:14 pm
The first season had great energy and style, but left a lot of unanswered questions in the storytelling. Second season fleshed out the story much more, but felt a bit lacking in energy. Third season finally managed to find a good balance between the two.
There were definitely some plot holes, and the 'let's all be friends' theme was overplayed, and the final length after just three seasons felt too short. But overall, very enjoyable show, with a happy ending.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on October 30, 2020, 12:31:35 am
Post by: Jimmy on October 30, 2020, 12:40:58 am
I really enjoyed Season 1 with the whimsy and understated normality of the characters within a decidedly abnormal setting. I loved that they recorded their voice actors and simply kept the first take, mistakes and all, then animated the show around their vocal stumbles. It gives the series a great lack of polish that sets it apart from other shows. Also, a bunch of easter eggs make for enjoyable rewatching, especially with knowledge from the later episodes to guide the viewer.
Season 2 brought some closure to some open plotlines, but lacked the magic of the first season. It was still good, but more by-the-numbers.
Post by: Folly on November 08, 2020, 09:07:10 am
And wow...that may be the most depressing season premiere I've ever seen. Dark times ahead.
Post by: Folly on November 20, 2020, 09:37:34 pm
Post by: Dunamisdeos on November 20, 2020, 09:50:58 pm
After 22 years, the Animaniacs have once again escaped from their water tower!
First Pinky and the Brain was fantastico.
Post by: Folly on December 02, 2020, 07:28:51 pm
Much as I've enjoyed the show, I feel like they never made it beyond cameos and references to the old show to contribute anything new, despite having more than enough time to do so.
Post by: Dunamisdeos on December 05, 2020, 08:25:15 pm
Post by: Folly on December 05, 2020, 10:16:55 pm
Post by: Folly on December 17, 2020, 08:45:02 pm
The Life of Hilda (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8On5LlCjdU)
Post by: Folly on January 03, 2021, 10:13:18 am
Animation can be a bit rough at points, particularly in the first few episodes. But I absolutely love the way the gods are depicted, both stylistically and their role in the story. The mortals on the other hand, can be more annoying than interesting.
It's hard to say exactly what audience this is suited for...one minute there's nudity, gore, and horrific trauma. Then the rest of the episode is about a whiny boy with a ponytail who plays with pokemans. Pick a lane.
Overall though, a decent watch. I enjoyed some of the big reveals and plot twists towards the end. Hope it gets another season, but if not, at least the first season ended at a calm place.
Nelli's Song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReFLbx3qRbE)
Post by: MrRoboto75 on January 04, 2021, 12:59:00 pm
It's widely considered to be Not Very Good, but for what it's worth it is a corny satAM 90's cartoon, and there's dank early CGI sequences. There was no real home release of the cartoon either so it's a big deal in terms of preservation. The project is ongoing and apparently there should be 13 episodes.
Post by: Folly on January 07, 2021, 01:30:19 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Second season of Transformers: War for Cybertron is here.
I was very critical of the first season. Second season immediately felt better. Better music, better drama, better action. Nothing amazing, but just an all-around decent show compared to what came before.
Unfortunately the season suffered from pacing issues, with new characters and locations being injected multiple times each episode, only to then be deleted in later episodes, without giving adequate time for me to care about or indeed understand what was going on.
Second season is a step in the right direction, but this is still a difficult show to recommend.
Post by: Folly on January 10, 2021, 09:03:33 am
The show focuses on a family living in Alaska, doing Alaska things. Like with mooses and snowmobiles and plaid shirts. You know, Alaska stuff.
I don't know, I can't really put my finger on anything particularly creative or interesting going on here...yet I really enjoyed the first episode. Looking forward to more.
Post by: Folly on January 15, 2021, 10:59:35 pm
Edit:
Finished watching season 3.
This season had a lot of character growth for our protagonist, Princess Teabeani. Most of it felt forced...but within the light comedic atmosphere, that's okay sometimes.
I really disliked the 'Green Smoke' mystery that took up several episodes. Absolutely no satisfaction when that question was finally answered.
Annoyingly, much of this season was also spent setting up new arcs which were left completely open when the season ended. Kinda wish I'd waited until season 4 came out and just binged them both at once.
Post by: Folly on March 08, 2021, 12:45:35 pm
General vibe of the show resembles Amazing World of Gumball, with animation that looks more like Clarence, and just a bit of Home Movies mixed in. The titular Pinky is a high-energy character who does his best to spread joy to everyone around him, even though his efforts often turn out to be misguided.
The show is fairly entertaining. Good for a casual watch in short intervals.
These are people that you might know. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulFr1TgFuWM)
Post by: Folly on March 15, 2021, 10:09:48 pm
The third season felt rushed, with new characters and magical artifacts being introduced almost every episode and not having time to be developed properly. But this was a result of the show being canceled early. All things considered, they did a pretty good job of wrapping up their story despite the rush. The finale was great. Loved the Gargoyles reference. Hope the Darkwing spinoff is just as good. And hope we get other spinoffs, especially Rescue Rangers.
Post by: Folly on March 19, 2021, 09:15:43 pm
A lot more toilet humor than I like to see in the first few episodes, but the season did get better as it went along. The jokes are hit-or-miss, often using obscure references or mistaking excessive edginess for humor. But there's also some creative ideas in this show that I love.
Post by: Folly on March 22, 2021, 06:54:42 pm
Birdgirl premieres April 5, 2021.
Birdgirl Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk6kuOvJhxc)
Also, Final Space Season 3 has begun!
Season 2 was a bit of a disaster. From the first episode, Season 3 shows the potential to possibly redeem this once-great cartoon.
Post by: Dunamisdeos on March 23, 2021, 06:35:04 pm
Post by: King Zultan on March 24, 2021, 04:02:16 am
I am absolutely going to watch Birdgirl when it drops, because the very concept of Birdgirl Antics excites me, and then I am absolutely going to be unsurprised when it's just strings of cringe-inducing condescending woke memes regurgitated onto a canvas of nostalgia.I'm hoping it isn't but with how things are now days I don't have high hopes.
Post by: Bumber on March 24, 2021, 07:27:24 pm
It also seems like they might not be able to use Hanna-Barbera characters for HBO Max reasons?
Post by: Dunamisdeos on March 24, 2021, 07:30:25 pm
Post by: King Zultan on March 25, 2021, 03:17:43 am
It also seems like they might not be able to use Hanna-Barbera characters for HBO Max reasons?Hope that's not true because that means almost the entire cast will be gone.
Post by: Dunamisdeos on March 26, 2021, 01:38:56 pm
It also seems like they might not be able to use Hanna-Barbera characters for HBO Max reasons?Hope that's not true because that means almost the entire cast will be gone.
Yeah that was... the entire charm of the OG series, actually. Otherwise it's just like... I dunno, another one of those rando Adult Swim IP's that lasts half a season.
I intend to hold out hope for good, funny Birdgirl stuff tho.
Post by: Folly on March 26, 2021, 09:43:56 pm
This plot is exactly like Regular Show, except with a bit more mature humor. So regular folks just trying to do regular things but inevitably getting caught up in supernatural forces or cosmic entities from which they narrowly escape with their lives.
If you liked Regular Show, definitely check this one out.
Post by: Folly on March 27, 2021, 12:11:25 pm
It's all about humans and elves and various beastmen who all hate each other and when they're not busy trying to survive in a world full of monsters they're breaking out into wars over whose god is the least shitty. It's all rather cliché, but well executed imo. At least from what I've seen so far. I'm only halfway through the season and very much enjoying it.
At the same time, season 2 of Solar Opposites and the first 3 episodes of Invincible just appeared, along with the first episode of Elliot from Earth. It's too much all at once! I look forward to enjoying each of these shows as time allows.
Post by: Folly on April 05, 2021, 09:10:32 pm
I really wanted to like this show, but it's gonna be pretty hard to redeem after that start.
It seems like they've tried to trade the wacky/funny style of Birdman in favor of more dramatic interpersonal relationships and more exciting superhero antics. But without the humor, both the drama and action are just too stupid to be interesting.
Season 2 of Solar Opposites was more of the same, in a good way. Ridiculous antics from the aliens parallel to more serious drama from the people in the wall. Both are very well done in their own way, but at the same time I can understand how some people might find it difficult to enjoy two very different styles juxtaposed.
Invincible is a fairly blatant ripoff of DC's superhero universe, but they pull it off well.
It's basically a Superboy coming-of-age story, combined with evil Superman, and a fairly gory setting where heroes and civilians alike get brutally deleted on a daily basis.
Love the 40-minute format. Lots of content to soak up in every new episode!
Post by: Sirus on April 06, 2021, 11:04:06 am
Post by: Vector on April 06, 2021, 11:11:25 am
Season 2 of Solar Opposites was more of the same, in a good way. Ridiculous antics from the aliens parallel to more serious drama from the people in the wall. Both are very well done in their own way, but at the same time I can understand how some people might find it difficult to enjoy two very different styles juxtaposed.
Cheers for this, I gave it a watch last night and really enjoyed it. Given how much I hated the trailer, I wouldn't have tried an episode without your prompting!
It's definitely Rick-and-Mortyish but it's so much less depressing. Also goes back to the good old semi-improvised Roiland dialogue I sorely missed. Looking forward to seeing more.
Post by: Folly on April 15, 2021, 01:19:11 pm
Apparently it's created by the same team behind Amazing World of Gumball. I'm not feeling the similarity. It reminds me more of Hilda, with a cast of diverse and charming if somewhat boring characters and generally chill atmosphere.
Too much filler and too low-energy for my taste...but other people may enjoy this one.
Post by: Dunamisdeos on April 16, 2021, 04:34:58 pm
Post by: King Zultan on April 17, 2021, 12:20:05 am
I laughed a bunch at the first episode of birdgirl, tho. Is not bad.Is the humor similar to Harvey Birdman, or have they gone off in a new direction?
Post by: Dunamisdeos on April 17, 2021, 10:04:40 am
There were no hanna-barbara characters, which was weird. Not sure if I'll stick with it, but I did not hate it, and I laughed. Also, it was not comprised of woke memes. 7/10.
Pilot is on youtube.
Post by: Folly on April 17, 2021, 03:58:08 pm
Post by: King Zultan on April 18, 2021, 04:18:42 am
I really should watch the pilot soon.
Post by: Folly on April 30, 2021, 09:22:24 pm
From the comments of those who have read the comics, it sounds like it's going to get even better. Season 2 and 3 were announced just before the finale, so it may be awhile before they arrive. I'm very much looking forward to that time.
Post by: Jimmy on May 05, 2021, 04:40:50 am
Warning: R18+ rating
Pilot Episode (https://youtu.be/OlahNrlcgS4)
Episode 1: Murder Family (https://youtu.be/el_PChGfJN8)
Episode 2: Loo Loo Land (https://youtu.be/kpnwRg268FQ)
Episode 3: Spring Broken (https://youtu.be/RghsgkZKedg)
Episode 4: C.H.E.R.U.B (https://youtu.be/1ZFseYPmkAk)
Episode 5: The Harvest Moon Festival (https://youtu.be/h2ZmVAdezF8)
Rude, crude and funny, with plenty of black humor. But the opening song of Episode 2 got me good, it just went full Bowie and gave me all the feels. If you study the Ars Goetia from the Lesser Key of Solomon grimoire of demonology, Stolas is depicted in the ancient text as a long-legged owl whose domains are astronomy, herbs, plants, and precious stones. The easter eggs for his character in the animation version are littered through the series, and I just adore finding them hidden within the background. The creators gave him a lot of love.
Plus the animatronic murder-clown in Episode 2 is actually voice-acted by a broadway veteran, Alex Brightman, of Beetlejuice fame. It's God-tier animation, voice acting, and story and I'm quite certain this series is eventually gonna be snatched up and paywalled before long. Until then, I'm enjoying the episodes as they come out on the animator's channel.
Post by: Dunamisdeos on May 05, 2021, 12:33:29 pm
Post by: Duuvian on May 08, 2021, 01:09:28 am
Second episode was a move in the right direction imo...still a long way from Birdman:AAL, but maybe Birdgirl just needs some time to warm up.
I loved it, great show I think. No HB characters? That is unfortunate. I will miss Peter Potamus, Reducto and Mentok. I hope they hired the smiling bear back at least. *wrnnn* <- bear noise
I'd watch the rest but Comcast took away my cartoons, the villains.
Ha Ha! Monopolies.
EDIT: Finding a picture of Phil Ken Sebben to insert image here was surprisingly difficult. Maybe the various fanwikis have disabled hotlinking images to forums or whatever it's called? I didn't spend much time looking. I found one with him neck deep in a pool of money surrounded by bikini babes, and when that didn't work I quit looking, spirit broken.
Post by: Jimmy on May 09, 2021, 05:23:15 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Folly on May 10, 2021, 03:24:48 pm
This show did improve a little towards the middle of the season, but came crashing back down towards the end.
Birdgirl is either too clever for me to understand, or it's a series of utterly nonsensical plot devices strung together with semi-comedic rhythm and lots of nostalgia. If it's the former, then I apologize, I guess I'm just not qualified to evaluate this show. If it's the latter, then this embarrassment of a spin-off needs to be denied renewal so it can go to wherever all the other failed spin-offs went to die.
Post by: Folly on May 12, 2021, 02:46:02 pm
I'm a bit 'meh' about ATHF. I found it to be a mildly amusing series early on, but far too cringe towards the end. And I honestly cannot imagine what value a movie could add to this entirely episodic series.
Metalocalypse and Venture Brother each had interesting stories which got cut short when the series were cancelled, and I'm very eager to see what they do with this opportunity to provide fans some closure!
Release date details expected soon!
Post by: King Zultan on May 13, 2021, 01:34:07 am
Also ATHF has already had a movie.
Post by: Duuvian on May 13, 2021, 02:13:46 am
It's cool they are getting movies though to wrap them up, I'll watch them probably
Post by: Folly on June 22, 2021, 09:48:55 pm
It's made by the same team that did Supermansion, and has much the same feel. For reasons I don't quite understand, some people just don't appreciate this style of humor and storytelling. Personally I found both to be quite entertaining.
With two distinct antagonists, the season had lots of twists and turns, got really intense towards the end, and finished with a cliffhanger that left me eager for more. A second season has not yet been renewed, but with fairly positive reviews I am optimistic that we will someday learn where Modok goes next.
Post by: Vector on June 23, 2021, 01:46:20 am
Post by: Mech#4 on June 23, 2021, 01:55:37 am
I should watch more of Venture Bros, though it seemed to have plots that didn't go anywhere or were dropped later. Metalocalypse I think I enjoyed the same as ATHF, just random stuff happening that was occationally funny.
Post by: Folly on June 23, 2021, 06:48:31 am
Post by: Folly on July 23, 2021, 09:57:10 pm
Though I'm a big fan of the series thus far, this conclusion left me decisively underwhelmed.
The whole thing was predominantly driven by random prophecies which seemingly sprang into existence purely for the purpose of sending our protagonists on collection quests just to eat up time and set up some giant monster battles. Then the whole thing was concluded with a time-travel twist which simultaneously negated all of the great adventures I've enjoyed up until now, and also set up for a whole new story which in all likelihood will never be told because this is reported to be the end of this series.
Also, Jim was a whiny bitch for pretty much the whole thing. I wish he had stayed a half-troll.
Post by: Folly on September 07, 2021, 08:22:20 am
The BMO and Peppermint Butler episodes gave some nice insight into the past and future of the Adventure Time world, as well as expounding upon their characters. The Princess Bubblegum and Marceline episode finally addressed their relationship in a way which was direct, but not too abrasive, and it was beautiful. But the Finn and Jake episode easily stole the spotlight for this mini-series.
I've long since realized that it is extremely rare for long running shows to actually have a finale that is fully satisfying, so I accepted what they gave us at the end of Adventure Time and was reasonably happy with it. But Distant Lands gave us a finale that was so much better. This is truly the sendoff that the Adventure Time brothers deserved.
Fiona and Cake is still in the pipeline, so we will see more from the Adventure Time world eventually. But as far as I'm concerned, Adventure Time has now delivered everything I could have wanted.
Post by: Folly on September 19, 2021, 09:09:34 am
I was surprised to learn that this one started out on Netflix and then after cancellation was revived by Adult Swim. We usually see shows going in the other direction.
From the commercials, somehow I expected this to be a light-hearted show that just happened to be set in a world parallel to Bojack Horseman. My naiveté was quickly dispelled, as I came to realize that the titular characters' playful facade mask some deep-rooted damage, and the show is all about finding creative ways to express their strife.
Much like Bojack, there are some episodes that are simply breathtaking in their aesthetic style and storytelling mechanisms. But these episodes are few, with the bulk of the show being made up of relatively casual adventures that merely hint at deeper turmoils gradually boiling up.
This show may be too intense for some, hit-or-miss for others. Personally I was able to take it all in stride and enjoy the overall experience immensely.
Season 3 has already been greenlit, and I'm certainly looking forward to more!
Post by: Folly on September 27, 2021, 09:49:19 pm
The Ninth Jedi and Lop and Ocho each felt like they could be pilots to some very good shows. Definitely left me wanting more.
T0B1 was a blatant Astro Boy ripoff, but otherwise solid.
Everything else felt a bit sloppy and mediocre. Pretty much what I'd expected from an animated anthology.
Post by: Folly on October 07, 2021, 09:05:34 pm
This show takes place in a bizarre and complicated universe, and starts in the middle of the story without bothering to explain how they got there, then couches everything in the relatively easily digestible slice-of-life format. So lots of crazy shit happening and none of the characters seeming to be particularly alarmed by any of it.
I really enjoyed the creativity, and the cute characters, and eventually beginning to unravel just some of the many mysteries going on here. I'm hopeful for a third season, but not expecting it any time soon.
Also Toast is best waifu.
I also just finished watching Over the Garden Wall.
This is another show with lots of bizarre things happening, but I didn't particularly appreciate it in this format. The weird things happening did not seem to be part of any larger cohesive world structure. Rather, they exist purely for the purpose of forming obtuse metaphors and/or serving up some of the weakest musical numbers I've ever heard.
I'm a bit disappointed after all the hype. This one just didn't do it for me.
Post by: Dunamisdeos on October 15, 2021, 08:29:15 pm
Somehow manages to be both unsanitized Brothers-Grimm fairy tales, and also lighthearted.
Post by: Folly on October 21, 2021, 03:45:15 pm
I never watched the original show.
This one is about Tom, who is ten. And the theme of pretty much every episodes is that Tom lets the people around him pressure him into making very unwise choices, always with disastrous results.
Animation is crude, but the writing is humorous enough. Easy to pick up or drop at just 10 minutes per episodes. Not a must-see, but I'd still recommend it.
Post by: Folly on October 29, 2021, 11:14:54 pm
From the creator of Gravity Falls, Inside Job focuses on the staff of a shadow government who secretly run the world. There are lizard peoples, robot presidents, flat earths, and all the other fun conspiracies you would expect a shadow government to be involved in. The show has a comedic and generally episodic tone, though it does build up to a fairly dramatic mid-season finale.
I'd call this one pretty good.
Post by: Folly on November 05, 2021, 08:58:26 pm
For any who missed or don't remember the first season, Gen:Lock is basically Gundam from a western studio; a futuristic setting with political drama being settled on the battlefield by giant robots piloted mostly by angsty teens.
Second season has come out strong, with the first episode shedding some light on the motives of the two factions, which were left somewhat mysterious throughout the first season. Also lots of ethical quandaries being considered by desperate parties who have been backed into a corner. I can't wait to see where this goes!
And we recently got a fourth season of Young Justice, which we are halfway through already.
The first half of this season was heavily focused on Martian civilization. Lots of interesting stuff for the lore buffs, but I've also heard a fair amount of negative feedback from fans who just wanted to focus on Earth.
This was also the first season without a major time gap from the previous season. I hope this is a trend that continues moving forward.
Post by: Jopax on November 16, 2021, 12:50:49 pm
Anyways, Arcane, the League of Legends based animated series on Netflix. First off, no need to be familiar with LoL in any way, shape or form. The story is fairly self contained and can easily be an introduction to the lore of the games. You'll get a kick out of recognizing some things when they're introduced but it's in no way mandatory (also fuck the fact that english subs only offer closed captions which will spoil certain introductions a bit)
What the show is essentially is an origin story of multiple champions from the game, shows who they are, where they come from and how they relate to other champions. All of that is packed in a rather compelling story of multiple characters and factions, all with their own motivations and goals even if they aren't terribly new or complex, they mesh together very well to create an interesting story that moves along at a nice pace.
Now, the biggest thing, for me at least, is the visuals, I'm not sure what their exact approach is, but I'm suspecting a mash up of 2d and 3d, but it's done so seamlessly that it's hard to tell most of the time that it isn't hand painted. The style they've went for as well is brilliant, just the right amount of stylized and realistic proportions. Seriously, if for no other reason than to enjoy well made animation, it's well worth a watch.
Post by: Folly on November 18, 2021, 05:23:45 pm
This one introduced new hormone monsters, Love Bugs and Hate Worms. And there's a surprising twist about how they're related!
We also got to see the Shame Wizard return, and he performed one of my favorite songs from this series so far. "Ever lonely but never alone, you've always got shame~"
Big Mouth has one more season coming before it either ends or gets renewed.
Animaniacs Season 2 is also here.
This season greatly toned down the tertiary skits, focusing almost exclusively on the Warners and Pinky & The Brain. Par for the course, they had a few good sketches and a lot of mediocre ones. As much as I disliked the new characters last season, I feel like the show really needs them to keep things varied.
Season 3 for Animaniacs has already been approved.
Post by: Telgin on November 18, 2021, 08:41:13 pm
Season one was just okay in my opinion. Sounds like season two is about the same.
Post by: Jopax on November 21, 2021, 06:58:03 am
The last 3 episodes were brilliant by the way, the last one being such a fucking gut punch too, even though you know it's coming, it's done so damn well that you can't help but feel for these folks.
Some of the stuff was left hanging, so they probably knew there'd be a season 2 eventually, still, would've loved to see the conclusions to these characters, but that would've probably needed an extra episode or two, since this stuff was jam packed already and certain things felt a touch rushed, or like they were happening a tad too fast to be believable, but all in all, pretty great stuff.
Post by: Folly on November 23, 2021, 07:37:20 pm
It's a show about a group of kids striving to achieve popularity in a city where nothing else matters. After getting past the initial cringe, it's actually a pretty solid show with some good music and interesting characters.
Season 2 has been confirmed!
Post by: Folly on December 19, 2021, 11:48:18 pm
It's the story of a Mayan child-of-prophecy and her journey to defeat the God of War.
The first two-thirds has way too many weak jokes and giant noses. It takes away a lot of the impact of the more serious side of the story.
The climax is really impressive though, and the ending bittersweet. Worth hanging in through the rough parts to get to that conclusion.
F is for Family season 5 has come, and serves as a finale for this show.
An elegant bookend suggests that Frank might finally break the cycle.
Crossing Swords season 2 finally arrived.
Patrick's journey to become a Knight continues, despite a colorful cast of friends, family, and co-workers who do everything they can to make his task unbearably eventful.
Major cliffhanger at the end of the season and I don't even mind, because it's just so hilarious!
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Post by: Folly on December 24, 2021, 02:10:55 pm
Wow. Soooooo much hate in the feedback from this season. Most of it seems to focus on popular characters being killed and the gray morals of political factions. But the show is basically a Gundam clone; I don't know why anyone would go in not expecting these things. Honestly, I think most of the hate really stemmed from the non-binary sex scene, which some people just aren't ready for.
Personally I enjoyed the season. My only complaint is that it felt rushed at times. In particular, one character turned suicidal seemingly in a single episode with no buildup, and then came out the other side with no apparent residual effects; that arc definitely needed more time.
Still, overall this remains one of my favorite shows, despite all the hate. I hope it gets renewed, though there is no news on that front at this time.
Post by: Folly on December 31, 2021, 10:33:41 pm
The story of a Japanese snow-monkey who becomes a hitman, with the aid of a human assassin who has some serious Archer energy.
The premise sounds silly, but the story actually finds a way to make it work. Overall a fairly amusing show and worth watching.
The first season ends without any major cliffhangers, but somewhat open-ended on several fronts so there's room for more. No second season confirmed yet, but the show has been generally well received so I am optimistic.
Post by: Folly on January 25, 2022, 12:39:06 pm
Lots of big, dramatic events, imo without sufficient buildup. I had trouble feeling connected with the characters or events when I could barely follow what was going on between half a dozen different groups of characters jammed into a half-hour time slot.
Even so, I did feel saddened when a popular character was killed off. And then another. And another...too many really. I feel like the better half of the cast got offed this season, leaving me little to look forward to if this show gets renewed.
Post by: Folly on January 29, 2022, 05:18:44 pm
Three additional half-hour episodes are scheduled to release each week over the next three weeks, for 12 episodes total.
This series is based on a D&D campaign from the popular Critical Role (https://critrole.com/) web series.
Lots of mature humor. Expect nudity, gore, cursing, and general mature themes. It's not overplayed though; they get in a quick sex joke or violent action sequence, and then right back to the story. Healthy balance.
I rather enjoyed the episodes so far, and look forward to more.
Post by: Telgin on March 09, 2022, 10:32:45 am
I've read that a lot of people complained that the animation wasn't as good as the games, which is true, but I still thought the animation was great and nothing to complain about at all.
Where I wasn't really wowed was the writing. It was all okay, but not as amazing as I was hoping for. It got a few laughs out of me, particularly with the episode about Elder Kettle thinking they were going to murder him, but it just wasn't quite what I expected overall. This is just the first season though, so who knows how season 2 will be?
Post by: Folly on May 23, 2022, 08:31:12 am
After an epic battle between the forces of good and evil, Anne Boonchuy finally said goodbye to all her friends and life moved on. It's not the way I wanted to see it end...but it was executed very well, and I'm glad this show got proper closure.
Post by: Folly on June 19, 2022, 02:22:26 pm
The second season gave us some backstory, explaining more about the origins of Fairfax. While at the same time moving things forward, giving each member of the Gang Gang some personal character growth, all in the midst of an epic clout war between new and old fashion moguls.
Third Season not yet confirmed, but the last episode set up the next big arc, so I'll be eagerly awaiting that next drop!
Post by: Folly on June 27, 2022, 10:44:25 pm
Where the first season focused on Alma's exploration of her past with her father, the second season brought Alma and her sister together to explore their mother's and grandmother's history. They learned about the events that shaped their family, did some meddling, and eventually saw it all come undone.
Much like the first season, I saw the ending coming from very early in the season. That didn't take away much of the impact though as it was all very elegantly executed.
For any fans of time travel and psychodrama, I wholeheartedly recommend this one.
Post by: Folly on August 16, 2022, 06:49:13 pm
The shows starts with a fairly serious story set in the middle of a terrible war. Our protagonist is then isekai'd into a magical world where the serious story gets hijacked by a herd of Spongebob-calibur wacky characters, and this bizarre dichotomy gets polished with some Disney-style musical numbers.
By the end, we get a nice complete arc for all of the major heroes and villains. I enjoyed it. But it's hard to say who exactly the target audience is for this odd mix of themes, and it would be difficult for me to recommend.
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Post by: Vector on August 19, 2022, 01:22:56 pm
It's too bad, I just found out it was on HBO and had been planning to see it. I saw S1 on DVD some time ago when I wasn't paying for TV or anything like that.
Post by: BigD145 on August 19, 2022, 02:37:06 pm
Infinity Train was just pulled from HBO Max and also Youtube; they aren't selling DVDs anymore either, I guess.
It's too bad, I just found out it was on HBO and had been planning to see it. I saw S1 on DVD some time ago when I wasn't paying for TV or anything like that.
It's on the Microsoft Store (individual downloads and a season pass but if it's being yanked....) as far as I can tell but why bother? Just gank it. Find a download and support Owen Dennis's next project.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 19, 2022, 02:39:13 pm
I'm getting started with Primal and just watched insane monkey violence in episode 5. Loving the experience so far.
Hey, I just saw Primal for the first time early this morning on Adult Swim!
Was pretty awesome!
Post by: delphonso on August 19, 2022, 08:15:20 pm
Post by: Folly on August 19, 2022, 10:19:26 pm
Something the show does well and my friends who recommended it mentioned first, is that the dinos show an animal intelligence instead of like...a human in animal shape.
I take it you haven't seen the episode where Fang builds a boat?
Post by: delphonso on August 20, 2022, 12:19:52 am
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Post by: Folly on August 21, 2022, 11:06:27 pm
After the second season I complained that too many popular characters had been killed off. Well, the third season invoked some timey-wimey shenanigans to bring them all back, at least for a while, before concluding with that annoying time-travel trope of everything needing to be set back how it started in order for the universe to be at peace or whatever.
Despite having to say goodbye to my favorite characters all over again, I still appreciate this season for answering a lot of questions, and just tying together many of the disjointed circumstances of the previous seasons. It was all part of a greater plan, and that plan finally came to fruition in an amazing finale.
Post by: Superdorf on August 22, 2022, 09:14:44 pm
I'm getting started with Primal and just watched insane monkey violence in episode 5. Loving the experience so far.
I started watching it 'cos y'all seem to like it, and holy cow this show is so good you guys
Tartakovsky is a wizard with animated cinematography
Post by: Max™ on September 16, 2022, 03:18:45 am
Post by: Telgin on September 17, 2022, 12:01:38 am
Also, Cuphead himself was kind of insufferable in the wood cutting episode in season 2.
Post by: Frumple on October 15, 2022, 10:24:07 pm
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anyway, I've noticed the macguffin rocks in amphibia are totally just chaos emeralds, right down to the fancy super saiyan nonsense. Frog bots also 100% have near swat-bot aesthetics, there's borderline roboticization stuff going on...
point being that show totally could just be in some corner of mobius and it'd fit right in
i'm not willing to look for it, but if there's not sonic crossover fanfics written with that thing I will be deeply disappointed
Post by: Folly on December 24, 2022, 11:24:49 pm
Can't wait to meet Korra's earthbender successor!
Post by: Duuvian on December 25, 2022, 06:56:59 am
Switching to streaming in the New Year hahahahahahahaha
No more late nights with absolutely nothing to watch, I abandoned cable tv at nights. On late night weekends the news channels don't even do news anymore wtf, the best thing on is South Park reruns before the sex toy ads start on comedy central, and while I'm all for that I could watch that during the day if I wanted (double entendre)
Post by: King Zultan on December 26, 2022, 04:09:14 am
Post by: Duuvian on December 27, 2022, 09:01:23 am
Sounds like your leaving cable for the same reasons we did, the price was the other reason because it sure was a lot of money to pend just to see the same few shows over and over because nothing else was on.
Yes, the bill is outrageous for a steadily worsening lineup. I thought it was bad during the recession when it was all reality shows and sasquatch chases, but it's somehow gotten worse since then even after rectifying the over abundance of those types of shows.
I laughed in my above post because this was actually difficult to accomplish, there was much boomer wrangling involved and pointing out lack of common sense in paying such a hefty fee for basic cable TV only because it's familiar, and whatnot. The holdout reason evolved after much effort from "Idonwanna" and "I get my way and get mad at persistent suggestions" to a more rational center around a regional sports channel that now finally offers a streaming service, so it's time as per the agreement (if it isn't walked back now that it's due). Hopefully no more explaining "it's free but you have to watch ads if you don't pay for it" to someone who watches dozens or hundreds of mandatory commercials per day on 5x as expensive basic cable for the TV portion alone, with nothing but (not) 24/7 news and said regional sports to watch in the lineup. About the only thing going for it was the record and storage bit to save movies that have made it to TV, but that's basically a streaming service you have to set recordings for...
Sorry, it was a lot of frustrating argument for a relatively simple thing that benefits them (financially mostly) far more than I, who barely watches television anymore.
Also, as a sidenot to represent what basic cable has degenerated to, I lament what History channel became in the 2000s. They've put actual history shows on another channel not in basic cable with an exception for actual history shows on certain holidays. I did like Pawn Stars, pickers and such but finding a historical documentary there isn't done anymore except patriotic holidays, and the shows on the other channel not on basic cable are usually decades old re-runs I watched in the Bush or Obama era, judging from the menu's production dates. At least they gave up looking for sasquatch everywhere but on Oak Island...
Irrelevant tangent over, resuming discussion of 'toons
The first season of Primal, the witch coven one, was my least favorite. I think I liked the one with the plague the most; that sauropod was awesome when it tried to jump on the main characters.
I saw the promo episode of Birdgirl, it looked pretty good. Harvey Birdman was one of my favorites. How did Birdgirl turn out? Still running episodes?
Post by: Folly on December 30, 2022, 10:06:15 pm
I saw the promo episode of Birdgirl, it looked pretty good. Harvey Birdman was one of my favorites. How did Birdgirl turn out? Still running episodes?
I give them credit for effectively imitating the stylish timing of the classic Birdman. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the beginning and end of where Birdgirl lives up to her predecessor.
Where Birdman was edgy by casting beloved children's cartoon characters in mature courtroom trials, Birdgirl tries to be edgy with woke memes which usually come across as cringy. And where Birdman's plotlines leaned heavily zany, Birdgirl's plotlines are plagued by nonsensical writing which just doesn't make any sense no matter how you view it. It's not funny, it's not interesting...it's just cringy and stupid.
Birdgirl did get a second season, which aired about 6 months ago. No word on canceled or renewed.
I just finished the first season of Sonic Prime. It's pretty good!
The premise is that a classic Sonic gets into some Chaos-Crystal shenanigans which shatter the universe into multiple dimensions, each with it's own distinct theme and variants of his friends. Sonic's quest is to travel the multiverse, righting what's gone wrong as he figures out a way to return home.
Some of the variants are pretty interesting. Nine the Ninetailed Fox is a little cutie~
The first season comprises eight episodes of the twenty four ordered by Netflix, so we're in for either two more seasons or a second season twice the length of the first. Looking forward to it!
Post by: Folly on January 17, 2023, 04:04:55 pm
It's a show about a Australian masked vigilante, from the creator of Smiling Friends and YOLO:CF. Personally, I wasn't crazy about those other shows, so I went into this one with fairly low expectations. I was pleasantly surprised. Koala Man seems much more refined compared to those shows, with compelling story arcs and some great humor. Definitely a recommend from me.
I also caught the two current episodes of Velma on HBO Max, a re-imagined origin story for Scooby Doo's mystery team.
This one is getting a lot of harsh criticism, and I can see why. The entire core cast, along with most of the supporting cast, are now racially diverse and LGBTQ+. I don't mean to pose this as problematic by itself, but the first two episodes seem to lean heavily upon shoving these attributes in the audience's face in ways that are just not particularly entertaining.
The first episode also devotes a lot of time to gratuitous nudity(and calls itself out for doing so), yet covers all the naughty bits with convenient censoring. Either go there or don't; teasing us is just frustrating.
Mostly though, I don't like the fact that they are trying to be edgy with real murders and trauma, then they juxtapose that stuff with wacky gags reminiscent of the chase scenes from classic Scooby Doo. The serious and silly just aren't mixed effectively, and makes it hard to imagine what audience they are aiming for with this show.
I don't hate this one enough to stop watching...yet. But it's going to be an uphill sell for me.
Post by: Duuvian on January 19, 2023, 03:58:42 am
Spoiler: Risk of losing several hours inside if you haven't seen this site before (click to show/hide)
EDIT: <spirals into event horizon after clicking blue text on TVTropes> N-n-nooo!
Post by: Folly on February 08, 2023, 10:16:37 pm
Season 2 just arrived on Amazon!
Post by: Folly on April 08, 2023, 09:31:11 pm
Masameer County feels like Family Guy crossed with Fargo. Some episodes are humorous, others violent and dramatic, and most have creative storytelling devices that really stand out; also there's a talking dog.
Though there are reoccurring characters, each episode has its own story arc that can be enjoyed independently of the others.
No third season announced yet, but critical reviews have been positive so I'm optimistic.
Post by: Folly on July 20, 2023, 12:24:43 am
Every episode this season left me literally laughing out loud. The writers have really mastered the art of ending on a high note.
No word yet, but I very much hope to see more seasons.
Post by: Folly on July 24, 2023, 01:14:47 am
A show about a people oppressed by evil lizard-men, and the children destined to rise up against them.
The setting and characters are charming, and the story seems to have a lot of mysterious elements that I look forward to seeing unfold over time.
My one major criticism is that Wingfeather Saga seems to be trying to aim at an audience of younger children, despite the story containing relatively mature concepts. As a result you get fight scenes where the bad guys get killed just slightly offscreen with no blood, and the good guys walk away without a scratch. It's a jarring juxtaposition.
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 24, 2023, 02:35:49 am
I watched the only current season of Wingfeather Saga."crazy how the good guys won every war ever" - some guy
A show about a people oppressed by evil lizard-men, and the children destined to rise up against them.
The setting and characters are charming, and the story seems to have a lot of mysterious elements that I look forward to seeing unfold over time.
My one major criticism is that Wingfeather Saga seems to be trying to aim at an audience of younger children, despite the story containing relatively mature concepts. As a result you get fight scenes where the bad guys get killed just slightly offscreen with no blood, and the good guys walk away without a scratch. It's a jarring juxtaposition.
Post by: Folly on July 25, 2023, 01:43:19 am
Post by: Folly on July 27, 2023, 03:25:48 am
But we did just get a movie! Invincible: Atom Eve tells the origin story of the titular character.
It's a bit less bloody and dramatic than I expected from this IP...but only a bit, and still pretty good anyway. Definitely helped renew my hype for the return of the main show.
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 27, 2023, 04:57:24 am
Ppl talking about how omni-man was such a shocking twist when it turned out he wasn't "a good guy" at the end of the season. Dude brained his colleagues first ep how did this catch you off guard ;d
Post by: Sirus on August 12, 2023, 01:07:51 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 14, 2023, 10:03:19 am
That was a post-credits scene IIRC, so it's possible loads of people just, ended the episode as soon as the credits came up. If no one told them "oh hey make sure to watch to the very end", how would they know to stick around? TV shows don't normally go for post-credits stuff.Main viewership was streaming though. Plus all the following episodes dealt with the murder investigation... Did they really not question why the secondary protagonist is fine one ep and in a coma the next?
Post by: Sirus on August 15, 2023, 08:14:24 pm
I agree that it wasn't really much of a "twist" by the end of the season, for whatever it's worth. Even if someone had missed the very end of Episode 1, there were plenty of signs throughout the season that Nolan wasn't exactly as heroic as he acted.
Post by: Folly on September 02, 2023, 04:24:47 am
Radiant is the Blood of the Baboon Heart finally answers two major questions which Venture Brothers fans have been asking since the start; who is the mother of the Venture Brothers, and what is the relationship between Rusty Venture and The Monarch? Both of these questions had answers strongly hinted in recent seasons, and those hints turned out to be misleads! But now the whole truth is finally revealed.
Notably there are still a few loose ends. The last season touched on some time-travel shenanigans which never got to play out. Also 'Movie Night' seems to still have a few secrets. The creators of Venture Brothers have expressed an interest in continuing the story, so there's still hope that we may see more one day. But if not, this served as a very satisfying conclusion to the long-running show.
Army of the Doomstar brings some closure to Metalocalypse fans. This one is essentially a training montage followed by a moral lesson about selflessness, neither of which are particularly appropriate for this show in my opinion. But I'm being nitpicky. We finally learn the nature and intentions of The Half Man who dogged the band throughout the show, and we get to watch the boys slay a God and save the world, while listening to several solid songs along the way. Another great ending to a popular show.
Post by: King Zultan on September 02, 2023, 05:44:15 am
Post by: scriver on September 02, 2023, 07:22:13 am
After spending a decade in the Cryo-Tube, Futurama has defrosted and resumed airing new episodes on Hulu!
Was it good? I'm so leery of restarts/long-since-sequels
Post by: Folly on September 02, 2023, 04:19:24 pm
On a related note, Disenchantment just dropped it's entire fifth season! I have way too many shows in my backlog atm, but this is getting pushed close to the top of the list...
Post by: Folly on September 13, 2023, 12:26:04 am
Yet another rushed finale, with lots of different story arcs all being pushed to conclude all at once, and several of them coming out far short of their potential.
The Trogs and Scientists on the Moon stuff made absolutely no sense. And the gay orgy cult felt extremely underdeveloped. But mostly I disliked how Bean started the season choosing to forego love in favor of her duty to her kingdom, then ended the season by abandoning her kingdom to the whims of an utterly unqualified minor so that she could retire with her fish girlfriend whom she had known for approximately 2 days. Also, the battle between Bean and her mother amounted to a series of them knocking each other down with blows that appeared deadly but turned out to be completely harmless, until one of the attacks inexplicably decided to stick so that their conflict could be resolved.
So yeah, lots of shortcomings. But at least it's one more show that I can count as being concluded, so I don't have to wait for new seasons any more.
Post by: Folly on September 15, 2023, 01:16:12 am
Seeing Fionna and Cake as one of the weaker non-canonical subplots from the original show, I was very skeptical that it could be spun into an enjoyable show on it's own. Also, Distant Lands provided a very satisfying conclusion, so I didn't particularly want more. But Adam Muto has really gone all out to bring Fionna and Cake into Adventure Time continuity, and allowed them to revive old unfinished plot lines while also creating whole new elements to breathe fresh life into this world. The music is great, the animation is great, the stories are great, and I'm happy to be engrossed in Ooo all over again.
Post by: Telgin on October 11, 2023, 10:43:39 am
The series is a bit better overall than I remembered, but is also a bit sillier and crazier than I remember. Also kind of stupid at points. One episode is literally about a guy with eyes in the back of his head who gets turned into a sludge monster.
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Post by: Folly on November 09, 2023, 09:48:07 am
A mashup of various Ubisoft IP's, half of which I've never played and the other half I haven't touched in decades, with a title and cover that seem like they're trying way too hard to be cool, I nearly passed on this one. But after hearing some positive feedback I decided to give it a chance.
Captain Laserhawk is honestly a masterwork in subverting viewer expectations. Every time that I thought I had this show figured out, they completely flip the script and turn everything upside down. Those 6 short episodes were a nonstop thrill ride of twists and turns, and I absolutely loved every minute!
No word yet on a second season, but the epic finale left the door wide open and I very much hope to see more one day.
Post by: Folly on November 11, 2023, 01:38:16 pm
I was really hoping for more 'initial impressions'. Like, show the scavengers when they first arrive, and their reactions when they discover various flora and fauna which act in unexpected ways. Instead we just jump straight to the point where they are already bored of the world and just looking to get off of it.
Still an interesting and entertaining show. Just not everything I hoped for.
Post by: Maximum™ on December 04, 2023, 04:48:54 pm
Packed full of tons of interesting links to backstory, dumb callback gags, and dare I say a much less toxic vibe than it had been giving off.
Apparently the most recent one is getting panned on imdb or some shit because they took a throwaway gag from early in the show and built an episode around it, but honestly the stupid jokes were great.
Like, not clever or thought provoking, but great in the worst groan inducing pun+dadjoke combo ever sense.
Post by: Folly on December 04, 2023, 08:46:30 pm
I can appreciate a bad premise when writers choose to run with it and turn it into something awesome. But 'Rise of the Numbericons' did not feel that way at all to me. Every bad pun and every plot point, they all felt extremely low-effort, like the writers just took whatever first bad idea popped into their heads and went with it.
Post by: Maximum™ on December 05, 2023, 12:57:12 am
Plus... the ceiling was poisoned?
Post by: Folly on December 11, 2023, 10:45:46 pm
Gratitude for this entertainment.
Post by: Folly on December 13, 2023, 10:29:51 pm
This is said to be the final season. Of course, they said the same thing about the second season, and then about the Mountain King movie, and now here we are. But if this really is the end, it was a beautiful finale.
This time around we met Hilda's Great Aunt, her Father, and finally learned why she has green hair! We also saw several new magical monsters, and the return of some old ones. Hilda truly is a magnificent adventurer.
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Post by: Folly on April 13, 2024, 12:08:31 am
It's generally everything I could have hoped for. Animation style and storytelling that feels like it picks up right where the old show left off. Maybe a bit rushed at times, with some episodes feeling like they could have been entire seasons, but I guess they do have a lot of catching up to do.
The 5th and latest episode however really took this show to the next level! The music is good, the dialogue is great, but the action and drama absolutely blew me away! I can't wait to see where this goes next!
For diehard fans or those with merely passing interest in the X-Men franchise, '97 definitely gets my recommendation!
Post by: Duuvian on April 13, 2024, 04:02:32 am
Post by: Folly on April 13, 2024, 12:51:16 pm
New Intro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L7fNV296h0)
Post by: Folly on May 04, 2024, 09:19:38 pm
I actually like this one a fair bit more than the first Season. Some of the jokes were really funny, the wokeness was less aggressive, and there were great references to the original show.
I'm actually hoping for a third season now, though that seems unlikely due to critical reception from the first Season.