You get bonus points if you use AI models trained on our posts to play the rest of the game for us.That would be very fun to see, but probably too much work to implement! Still, I could definitely see a game in the future where players could only communicate through artificially generated text.
In, let's see what happens
- There are no hammers.
Fuck yes.As usual I would like to note that I'm not scum this time. Unlike the usual I'm telling the truth. You have no idea how relieved I felt when I read those joyful words.
FallacyofUrist.
notquitethere: What happens if two players choose to sheep each other? Does the game crash, summoning an eldritch demon to eat us all?This is a very good question, one which I should have anticipated. It would be unsatisfying if players lost out on their votes because of sheeping one another... If players are sheeping, they are encouraged to also submit a list of suspicions in case their sheep sheeps them.
Then if two players sheep each other, and each submits a backup list, which list is followed?notquitethere: What happens if two players choose to sheep each other? Does the game crash, summoning an eldritch demon to eat us all?This is a very good question, one which I should have anticipated. It would be unsatisfying if players lost out on their votes because of sheeping one another... If players are sheeping, they are encouraged to also submit a list of suspicions in case their sheep sheeps them.
I guess I flip for it. But let's try to avoid that happening, okay. I want a good clean game with minimal paradoxes.Then if two players sheep each other, and each submits a backup list, which list is followed?notquitethere: What happens if two players choose to sheep each other? Does the game crash, summoning an eldritch demon to eat us all?This is a very good question, one which I should have anticipated. It would be unsatisfying if players lost out on their votes because of sheeping one another... If players are sheeping, they are encouraged to also submit a list of suspicions in case their sheep sheeps them.
Glad to hear we've already wrapped everything up.
Wait, wait, wait. I'm not mafia though.
So why would you think that I am?
aside from the slightly prickly, direct, and timely response to an obvious joke alluding to how there were only two players (well, three, if you count my post, but I really don't know if that would be proper in context) posting in-thread despite the game having been on for >2h at that point?This is just how I normally act. I appreciate your efforts in using apparent snap reactions to gather information, however.
no reason, really... but thanks for sharing the LAMIST reaction ;D
Unlike the usual I'm telling the truth. You have no idea how relieved I felt when I read those joyful words.This looks like genuine happiness to me.
Posting to show I exist!You exist!
Posting to show I exist!Are you sure you exist? Maybe you're actually secretly a hydra of Org and Dermonster.
I was going to shitpost in this game the whole time by copy-pasting AI chat responses, but then I thought better on it.That sounds like something Jim would do, actually (see his role in my most recent BYOR).
Posting to show I exist!You do exist! You don't seem very interested in finding scum, though.
I was going to shitpost in this game the whole time by copy-pasting AI chat responses, but then I thought better on it.What would the input for that have looked like?
Are you sure you exist? Maybe you're actually secretly a hydra of Org and Dermonster.I don't know who either of those two people are so that means I must exist!
Well, I can't argue with that. Do you think I'm mafia?Are you sure you exist? Maybe you're actually secretly a hydra of Org and Dermonster.I don't know who either of those two people are so that means I must exist!
Well, I can't argue with that. Do you think I'm mafia?No clue!
No clue!Also can't argue with that. Well, I can't yet.
Also can't argue with that. Well, I can't yet.Unless you self-incriminate yourself on words alone probably not!
If I asked you the same question in 48 hours from now, do you think you'd have a decent guess?
Unless you self-incriminate yourself on words alone probably not!Well that's the general idea of Mafia, I'm afraid.
Oh, and zemaj. He's not scum, I just want to see his reaction.This vote is bad.
I don't know I didn't try it. I'm on my phone right now so it would be annoying to respond to this with an AI even if I would have found it funny.Posting to show I exist!You do exist! You don't seem very interested in finding scum, though.I was going to shitpost in this game the whole time by copy-pasting AI chat responses, but then I thought better on it.What would the input for that have looked like?
The mafia are Fallacy and ToonyMan.Big words big man, how about...
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Do I believe zemaj is town?
Probably, I don't know their experience with the game but they look like town.
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Oh, and zemaj. He's not scum, I just want to see his reaction.HEY! Don't be fake FoSing me! If you are going to try fingering me without even buying me a drink first you need to mean it!
Are you sure you exist? Maybe you're actually secretly a hydra of Org and Dermonster.I don't know who either of those two people are so that means I must exist!
The mafia are Fallacy and ToonyMan.
In fact, everything FoU has said has been unhelpful! And that is because they don't know what they're doing! They don't know what they're doing because they're playing a game from an unknown position! They're playing the game from an unknown position because they're probably town!I've been playing mafia for like 5 years now
The mafia are Fallacy and ToonyMan.Then you're the doctor! zemaj is the cop, Toony and a1s are the mafia
At least one of those is either definitely wrong or definitely right.The mafia are Fallacy and ToonyMan.Then you're the doctor! zemaj is the cop, Toony and a1s are the mafia
I'm the student, Jim is the master, and fluffe is clueless
It all makes sense in my head.
As usual I would like to note that I'm not scum this time.
aside from the slightly prickly, direct, and timely response to an obvious joke alluding to how there were only two players (well, three, if you count my post, but I really don't know if that would be proper in context) posting in-thread despite the game having been on for >2h at that point?This is just how I normally act. I appreciate your efforts in using apparent snap reactions to gather information, however.
no reason, really... but thanks for sharing the LAMIST reaction ;D
That's obviously not what you're doing, but I'll treat it like that anyways.
I was going to shitpost in this game the whole time by copy-pasting AI chat responses, but then I thought better on it.That sounds like something Jim would do, actually (see his role in my most recent BYOR).
JimGroovester
FallacyOfUrist
Posting to show I exist!You do exist! You don't seem very interested in finding scum, though.
Posting to show I exist!
Well, I can't argue with that. Do you think I'm mafia?No clue!
The mafia are Fallacy and ToonyMan.
early game ToonyMan
What, Webadict isn't in this game?? I was going to vote him until he fake-claimed cop.
Oh, and zemaj. He's not scum, I just want to see his reaction.This vote is bad.
In fact, everything FoU has said has been unhelpful! And that is because they don't know what they're doing! They don't know what they're doing because they're playing a game from an unknown position! They're playing the game from an unknown position because they're probably town!
Do I believe FoU is really town this time?
I think I do.
Jim - lots of posts right at the start, then nothing... went to bed?
That he's a new player trying to act stereotypically 'cool' because he doesn't know what else he should be doing, yet.aside from the slightly prickly, direct, and timely response to an obvious joke alluding to how there were only two players (well, three, if you count my post, but I really don't know if that would be proper in context) posting in-thread despite the game having been on for >2h at that point?This is just how I normally act. I appreciate your efforts in using apparent snap reactions to gather information, however.
no reason, really... but thanks for sharing the LAMIST reaction ;D
That's obviously not what you're doing, but I'll treat it like that anyways.
I read this post in passing and it didn't catch my eye and then went to play noita for several hours but now I'm back reading the thread.
What's the insinuation that you're making here?
In the interest of Max not getting a stroke I will only do the color manipulation once. But the seeds have already been planted!Wait, why would I care? I just don't believe it works, but it doesn't bother me at all.
So you don't care if a1s's town? Is it perhaps because you are a scum?Surely, if I were scum, it would mean that I DID care if you are town, because I would need to kill you.
Yes, but if you were scum you would already know who is town.So you don't care if a1s's town? Is it perhaps because you are a scum?Surely, if I were scum, it would mean that I DID care if you are town, because I would need to kill you.
Yes, but if you were scum you would already know who is town.Not a player nor the mod, but don't use the red text unless you're voting.
You're leaving a much different impression this game compared to the late game of Wormwood Mafia. In that game you were fucking ready to rumble, but here the feistiness is missing.Early game Fluffe does not equal late game Fluffe lol.
I don't have all that much time for this game (I'm in the process of slowly moving flats) so looking for a good shepherd (submit you candidature now!)What makes a good shepherd?
Jim is cruelly teasing. Definitely town.This is an incredibly strong read when I'm not even that confident, and I'm the one with Jimdar.
Am I outdated, washed up, out of touch, not bussin with the no-cap mafia style everyone's all about these days?Posting to show I exist!You do exist! You don't seem very interested in finding scum, though.
My honest to goodness first instinct after reading this was to make commentary about old school Bay 12 Mafia meta, but I'll give you a bit more time to work.
Inclined to feel like this is town ToonyMan. Maybe in this game I can do what I honestly feel like I should do every game I play with ToonyMan and literally sheep him and let him carry me to victory.What do you think town's best option would be for dealing with the scenario of both you and Toony being scum?
a1s seems like town, does anybody want to discuss why?Yes. He felt town to me when I was underestimating the effects of nightkills on scum strategy, but now the feeling's evaporated. What's your read?
How many people believe town!Fluffe would behave like this on D1? We only have one game as reference and it's true the difference between their D1 and later days was distinct, but we don't have that time here.Not familiar with him, but it reads like standard vapid wait-for-something-to-happen RVS play to me. I would blind guess he'd be quieter or more aggressive as scum, rather than energetically useless.
Fluffe and IronyOwl being together would be...odd.Alrighty since people want me to actually do more things on the first day than just meme around I guess ill bite why would me and Irony be odd?
That he's a new player trying to act stereotypically 'cool' because he doesn't know what else he should be doing, yet.
Every game is a learning game.
zemaj is inexperienced but feels like he's actually trying, in a you know, TricMagic like fashion. If it works it works. Town.
Fluffe and Owl need to do things. Neutral. Maybe a little less so on Fluffe, but I'm happy to change that once he steps into the playing field fully.
zemaj is inexperienced but feels like he's actually trying, in a you know, TricMagic like fashion. If it works it works. Town.
ToonyMan be engaging with the game, though I'm not sure if he's right about a1s.
a1s is oddly playful this time around.
I almost forgot Max exists. Not a good sign. Of course he could just be busy. Brain doesn't want to see him as scum yet.
Jim is cruelly teasing. Definitely town.
Call me criminal but it could be a1s and Fluffe. Genuinely.
Am I outdated, washed up, out of touch, not bussin with the no-cap mafia style everyone's all about these days?Posting to show I exist!You do exist! You don't seem very interested in finding scum, though.
My honest to goodness first instinct after reading this was to make commentary about old school Bay 12 Mafia meta, but I'll give you a bit more time to work.
I see we're still going with the tried and true RVS strategy of lol don't bother, so at least that's familiar.
I wish I were the kind of sulky loser who could answer "myself", but I'm just more of an "everyone" kind of guy. Well, just like it says in my personal text.
ToonyMan, you are not doing a very good job today.
Ehhhhh, I think it's Jamez. I mean Zemaj.
Also @Fallacy why ya seem so confident it aint Zemaj? Ya even said he was def town even before he posted anything lol.
Jim is cruelly teasing. Definitely town.This is an incredibly strong read when I'm not even that confident, and I'm the one with Jimdar.
Ehhhhh, I think it's Jamez. I mean Zemaj.Why is that?
we need to speedrun this a bit, so lets go ahead and pull out some D2 tricks:
MY LIST in order from pinging the Scumdar10000TM least to most:
zemaj - a paragon of insight and a marvel of townieness
Toony - several posts with light prods & even reads
IronyOwl - few posts, but one did have a prod attached.
Fallacy - has tried to move conversation, even made a posit or two... trying to be TL? Sus, but not comdemning
Max - 2 posts, throwing two names with nothing further on first, but making an assertation I can agree with on second... meh, its D1, still...
Jim - lots of posts right at the start, then nothing... went to bed?
Fluffe - posts read much like the name-sake
a1s - no posts
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Yes, but if you were scum you would already know who is town.Not a player nor the mod, but don't use the red text unless you're voting.
Quote from: Jim GroovesterYou're leaving a much different impression this game compared to the late game of Wormwood Mafia. In that game you were fucking ready to rumble, but here the feistiness is missing.Early game Fluffe does not equal late game Fluffe lol.
I don't have all that much time for this game (I'm in the process of slowly moving flats) so looking for a good shepherd (submit you candidature now!)
I think if a1s was town they'd post exactly like they did here.
reads
Am I outdated, washed up, out of touch, not bussin with the no-cap mafia style everyone's all about these days?
I see we're still going with the tried and true RVS strategy of lol don't bother, so at least that's familiar.
Inclined to feel like this is town ToonyMan. Maybe in this game I can do what I honestly feel like I should do every game I play with ToonyMan and literally sheep him and let him carry me to victory.What do you think town's best option would be for dealing with the scenario of both you and Toony being scum?
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I wish I were the kind of sulky loser who could answer "myself", but I'm just more of an "everyone" kind of guy.
Ehhhhh, I think it's Jamez. I mean Zemaj.
But how!?
I don't understand what you mean about a1s, but I think they're probably town. I don't think they post colors again and also say they're going to blindly sheep a player. I feel like mafia want to prop each other up as the best looking players because they should win if at least one mafia is at the bottom of everyone's list.a1s seems like town, does anybody want to discuss why?Yes. He felt town to me when I was underestimating the effects of nightkills on scum strategy, but now the feeling's evaporated. What's your read?How many people believe town!Fluffe would behave like this on D1? We only have one game as reference and it's true the difference between their D1 and later days was distinct, but we don't have that time here.Not familiar with him, but it reads like standard vapid wait-for-something-to-happen RVS play to me. I would blind guess he'd be quieter or more aggressive as scum, rather than energetically useless.
ToonyMan, you are not doing a very good job today.What am I doing wrong?
Ehhhhh, I think it's Jamez. I mean Zemaj.
Irony threw shade on you in their first post. I don't believe mafia want to hurt their reputation in a game like this, because looking good really matters when we can't change our opinions after this day is over and robots take over our minds.Fluffe and IronyOwl being together would be...odd.Alrighty since people want me to actually do more things on the first day than just meme around I guess ill bite why would me and Irony be odd?
Look, Jamez iz all over the place here. Loud but insubstantial with a forzed *~*HILARIOUS*~* pretenze that makes it eazy to keep making noize without saying anything that might incriminate.I don't really agree. If zemaj is acting like a one-man show it's working: they don't look like scum to me. I think your accusation feels more like a personal grudge against their playstyle than actually suspecting them of being scum.
In fact, I understand why Fallacy thinks he's town because he's acting like scum Fallacy acts when he's trying to act like he thinks town would act.
If he gets it together and starts being useful, then I'll recalibrate, but right now it looks more like he's trying to audition for a one-man show on basic cable.
Why zemaj? What about me and FoU?Am I not allowed to make jokes anymore? Someone did this to me last time I was town, too. I was just joking about the fact that you immediately backed him up. It was basically an excuse for an opening post to say, hey, I'm here now.
Do we submit lists after the D1 flip happens? I assume so.Correct.
Max, I want to hear your opinion about Jim.I rate him at medium-high. I trust him less than some, but more than others. I don't really think he's scum.
What sounds better: zemaj and Fluffe OR zemaj and IronyOwl?Max, I want to hear your opinion about Jim.I rate him at medium-high. I trust him less than some, but more than others. I don't really think he's scum.
What sounds better: zemaj and Fluffe OR zemaj and IronyOwl?Ironyowl, I think.
I still feel like crap.
Look, Jamez iz all over the place here. Loud but insubstantial with a forzed *~*HILARIOUS*~* pretenze that makes it eazy to keep making noize without saying anything that might incriminate.
In fact, I understand why Fallacy thinks he's town because he's acting like scum Fallacy acts when he's trying to act like he thinks town would act.
If he gets it together and starts being useful, then I'll recalibrate, but right now it looks more like he's trying to audition for a one-man show on basic cable.
we need to speedrun this a bit, so lets go ahead and pull out some D2 tricks:
MY LIST in order from pinging the Scumdar10000TM least to most:
zemaj - a paragon of insight and a marvel of townieness
Toony - several posts with light prods & even reads
IronyOwl - few posts, but one did have a prod attached.
Fallacy - has tried to move conversation, even made a posit or two... trying to be TL? Sus, but not comdemning
Max - 2 posts, throwing two names with nothing further on first, but making an assertation I can agree with on second... meh, its D1, still...
Jim - lots of posts right at the start, then nothing... went to bed?
Fluffe - posts read much like the name-sake
a1s - no posts
I like that zemaj made a reads list, but the reads themselves are kind of unsatisfying. There's a lot of summary and not a lot of evaluation and judgment. If the list weren't ranked I would have no idea who he actually suspected.post
Is your list of suspects today the same as it was yesterday?
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I mean if ToonyMan is scum then town is pretty well fucked. My scum game is terrible so it's not as bad for the town if I'm scum. I don't really see a scenario where town wins if it's ToonyMan, since I doubt enough town ever agree to rank him high enough on their POE by the end of Day 1 for him to be eliminated.
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If the day ended now I think my POE list would look like:
Maximum Spin
Flufffe9911
Irony Owl
zemaj
a1s
FallacyofUrist
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
ToonyMan feels pretty good. FallacyofUrist also feels good. a1s' unbelievably low effort play somehow makes him more likely to be town than not. zemaj and Irony Owl are okay but could be a lot better. Fluffe9911 hasn't really done anything. Maximum Spin has boldly voted people but also hasn't really done anything.
Look, Jamez iz all over the place here. Loud but insubstantial with a forzed *~*HILARIOUS*~* pretenze that makes it eazy to keep making noize without saying anything that might incriminate.
In fact, I understand why Fallacy thinks he's town because he's acting like scum Fallacy acts when he's trying to act like he thinks town would act.
If he gets it together and starts being useful, then I'll recalibrate, but right now it looks more like he's trying to audition for a one-man show on basic cable.
Look, Jamez iz all over the place here. Loud but insubstantial with a forzed *~*HILARIOUS*~* pretenze that makes it eazy to keep making noize without saying anything that might incriminate.I don't really agree. If zemaj is acting like a one-man show it's working: they don't look like scum to me. I think your accusation feels more like a personal grudge against their playstyle than actually suspecting them of being scum.
In fact, I understand why Fallacy thinks he's town because he's acting like scum Fallacy acts when he's trying to act like he thinks town would act.
If he gets it together and starts being useful, then I'll recalibrate, but right now it looks more like he's trying to audition for a one-man show on basic cable.
I really do wish there was more substance to his posts though. Not the only one I feel that way about though.
As for a POE with reads... well POE anyway, lack of substantive posting by some players make it much more difficult to get a read, which usually defaults to scummy for me:
a1s - few posts and those lack content, eliminating lurkers is usually good D1, and I think this setup favors that ploy by scum... if you can get everyone to forget about you, or even just read you neutral enough, the average daily vote could end up narrowly missing you far into the progression.
Fluffe - same as a1s, but did eventually post something meaningful when pressed, so slightly less
Maximum Spin - argument is pretty much the same as both the above, and Max has done more contributing when pressed, so he gets a lesser spot.
The above players are basically interchangeable. I'd swap a vote to any of them without much argument, at least one is scum, fairly confident of this.
Irony Owl - actual posts with actual content. More would be better, but perfect world and all... Overall, null.
Jim Groovester - quality rises with most posts and gut feeling says less likely scum.
These two I'm less inclined to Eliminate. Wouldn't be surprised if one or the other was scum, but the other almost certainly isn't. Still, to avoid a no-elimination, I'd hop on a train for either.
ToonyMan - Mr Conversation starter is helpful. It's enough to make me suspicious, but if Toony is scum, we are hosed. He's too much all over this, and posts are good. If I had proof he was scum, I'm not sure I could get anyone to believe it... hell, I'm not sure I would believe it.
FallacyofUrist - differences of playstyle aside, I've got good feeling here. Basically the same slot as Toony, without the apprehension.
zemaj - just using this space to comment on how weird it is that people include themselves in their reads. Self-vote is pretty much the lowest form of AtE.
This may be an expression of my avoidance to OMGUS Max, but I actually have no problem with a scumteam entirely from group1, outside of the problem of both scum being in the lurker camp, which seems improbable.It's possible but I don't think it's likely they win in this case.
Aint playing too aggressively normally a scum sign though?Also @Fallacy why ya seem so confident it aint Zemaj? Ya even said he was def town even before he posted anything lol.
I've never seen him before, but this isn't really a meta read. It just looks like he's playing too aggressively to be scum. There's no hesitation at all.
His sense of humor might not be salvageable, though.
Perhaps there is wisdom in these new ways after all.I see we're still going with the tried and true RVS strategy of lol don't bother, so at least that's familiar.
The true gameplay evolution regarding the random vote stage isn't that it sucks and that we should try to be productive and useful instead, but that having fun and shitposting is informative and gameplay relevant.
I mean if ToonyMan is scum then town is pretty well fucked. My scum game is terrible so it's not as bad for the town if I'm scum. I don't really see a scenario where town wins if it's ToonyMan, since I doubt enough town ever agree to rank him high enough on their POE by the end of Day 1 for him to be eliminated.Toony and Max both scare me, because I don't know how to read either. I'm therefore inclined to murder them first. I feel like I know Max well enough to think he'd approve of this approach.
What's your feeling on who you want to lynch and in what order?
So, to reiterate, we kind of need to figure out the game, which is a pretty tall order, because the end of Day 1 is approaching pretty quickly and we need to have it all figured out by then. So, chilling out and not really doing anything isn't going to cut it.What do you think of the ramifications of scum knowing everyone's list versus town knowing everyone's list?
Look, Jamez iz all over the place here. Loud but insubstantial with a forzed *~*HILARIOUS*~* pretenze that makes it eazy to keep making noize without saying anything that might incriminate.How do you rate this in comparison to just lurking?
In fact, I understand why Fallacy thinks he's town because he's acting like scum Fallacy acts when he's trying to act like he thinks town would act.
If he gets it together and starts being useful, then I'll recalibrate, but right now it looks more like he's trying to audition for a one-man show on basic cable.
@Jim post:Why not?
I don't think Jim is scum unless it's with FoU or a1s.
As for a POE with reads... well POE anyway, lack of substantive posting by some players make it much more difficult to get a read, which usually defaults to scummy for me:Is your scumlist any different from your playing poorly list?
If IronyOwl is town:Why is zemaj first if I'm scum and second to last if I'm not?
Max - top mafia pick
Fluffe - second most likely pick
FoU - same tier as Jim honestly
Jim - same as FoU
zemaj - not feeling it, maybe with FoU
a1s - not feeling it
If it's not Max/Fluffe then we probably lose.
If IronyOwl is mafia:
zemaj - I guess, hard to see a connection
Max - still seems possible? some distancing going on, not convincing
Fluffe - I don't think Irony and Fluffe are both scum, don't really see anything else though
FoU - I don't know, hard to see a connection
a1s - not really seeing as scum, seems more likely though
Jim - really hard to see a connection
I look at zemaj more seriously and change the order to reflect this. I'm not as convinced by this list, but I guess with one mafia down it should be easier.
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Is your scumlist any different from your playing poorly list?
Aint playing too aggressively normally a scum sign though?I'd argue the opposite, unless it's unfocused. At least in the bay 12 meta, we see a good few highly aggressive town players. Jim likes that style, and tends to be more reserved when he's scum.
What makes you say it's loaded?<scumlist>
Is your scumlist any different from your playing poorly list?
Hmmm... now that is a loaded question, with a subjective qualifier.
I'll still bite though: a bit. Stratified the same, but FoU would be mid with you, Jim would probably be with Toony. Then bring everyone (and I am not excusing myself from that) down a couple tiers. Activity has been much lower than I would have expected, and lets face it, not every post is going to be gold, or even lead, so we need some quantity unless we all up the quality post haste.So you think worse play is directly correlated with likelihood of being scum, with the exception of Jim who's scummier than his play would indicate and FoU who's townier?
@Irony:Interesting. Any other team-based highlights come to your attention lately?
I don't think Jim is mafia with Max, Fluffe, you, or zemaj. Mafia!Jim backing up my support of a town!FoU or town!a1s when he could stick with his initial impression of always suspecting FoU or getting a free vote on a1s makes less sense to me. I think a mafia!Jim only agrees with me on these two if he's partners with them. A mafia!Jim could be appealing to my nature and just dismissing their partner to try to win that way I guess. We won't be able to reassess anything which hurts, so I need to be decisive here.
I don't really think zemaj is mafia. I originally also had Max as my next choice regardless of whether you're town or mafia, but decided to give Max a buffer if you're mafia, since he could be reading the game better than me, hence zemaj first since Max suspects zemaj and considers you a possible partner.
Interesting. Any other team-based highlights come to your attention lately?I think Max/Fluffe is the most likely from my POV.
I don't see a1s with anyone.Jim is the only person I could see, but I find it less convincing than Jim with FoU or zemaj.
What makes you say it's loaded?<scumlist>
Is your scumlist any different from your playing poorly list?
Hmmm... now that is a loaded question, with a subjective qualifier.
I'll still bite though: a bit. Stratified the same, but FoU would be mid with you, Jim would probably be with Toony. Then bring everyone (and I am not excusing myself from that) down a couple tiers. Activity has been much lower than I would have expected, and lets face it, not every post is going to be gold, or even lead, so we need some quantity unless we all up the quality post haste.So you think worse play is directly correlated with likelihood of being scum, with the exception of Jim who's scummier than his play would indicate and FoU who's townier?
Ah, crap, is this going to be one of those ones where I have to get lynched to get everyone to focus?
I guess, since there is no rest of the game anyway and I have no power, I'm okay with that.
Ah, crap, is this going to be one of those ones where I have to get lynched to get everyone to focus?Acquiring and posting reads would be more productive for that. I don't think your current townflip would tell me anything.
I guess, since there is no rest of the game anyway and I have no power, I'm okay with that.
This is profoundly unhelpful. Make it helpful.What makes you say it's loaded?<scumlist>
Is your scumlist any different from your playing poorly list?
Hmmm... now that is a loaded question, with a subjective qualifier.
... the definition? (https://www.google.com/search?q=loaded+question&rlz=1C1UEAD_enUS1036US1036&oq=loaded+question&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i131i433i512l2j0i512l7.8572j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
How does what you said differ from what I said you said?I'll still bite though: a bit. Stratified the same, but FoU would be mid with you, Jim would probably be with Toony. Then bring everyone (and I am not excusing myself from that) down a couple tiers. Activity has been much lower than I would have expected, and lets face it, not every post is going to be gold, or even lead, so we need some quantity unless we all up the quality post haste.So you think worse play is directly correlated with likelihood of being scum, with the exception of Jim who's scummier than his play would indicate and FoU who's townier?
Did I say that? Pretty sure you are the only one who said any such thing. Please learn the difference between what is stated and what you would like to hear.
Sigh do we have any counterclaims? Anyone else who claims to be the doctor?This isn't even a question. If someone counter claims I shit gold and sell it on eBay.
So to conclude. The scumteam is Maximum Spin and IronyOwl.What even is this.
YOU DIDN'T NEED TO CLAIM THATAhem:
Vote CountI am so under the hammer (even though there are no hammers) you'd think I was an anvil.
- a1s - [3] Toony, Zemaj, FallacyofUrist
~24 hours remaining
Based on your numbers why isn't Fluffe in here? You literally gave them the lowest score of 1 1 3.That's why we call 'em Fallacy. :P
WHO CARES ABOUT THE VOTESYOU DIDN'T NEED TO CLAIM THATAhem:Vote CountI am so under the hammer (even though there are no hammers) you'd think I was an anvil.
- a1s - [3] Toony, Zemaj, FallacyofUrist
~24 hours remaining
WHO CARES ABOUT THE VOTESWhat, are you Trump now?
It's zemaj and FoU isn't it and I'm just incredibly untrustful of Max and Irony.I don't know about them but it's really not me, bro.
Either you kill me, or they do- and I'd rather take of of the bastards with me.I don't think you were ever going to be night killed.
I wouldn't be able to last this game if it didn't end today.It's zemaj and FoU isn't it and I'm just incredibly untrustful of Max and Irony.I don't know about them but it's really not me, bro.
Jeez, is the game ending today already? It barely feels like it's been three days. I told you this gimmick probably wasn't going to work!
Ehhh, technically, we should probably lynch ToonyMan today because, if he's evil, that's the only way we win, but if he's good we'll probably be able to make it work.
Duh. I was going to be lynched. Can't kill what's already dead :PEither you kill me, or they do- and I'd rather take of of the bastards with me.I don't think you were ever going to be night killed.
What even is this.Sigh, because Fluffe is newless, youless, and clueless.
Based on your numbers why isn't Fluffe in here? You literally gave them the lowest score of 1 1 3.
You could convince me byThat's one option.
expressing
Your feelings Max
Do you even, want to vote zemaj? Just checking.Kind of. Especially if Max and Irony are both town.
You seem like such a deeply conflicted voter here, Toony. Toony, Toony, Toonyman
What do you really want to do?
Or are you just pretending at frustration and 'oh I have to do this now don't I' after you and a1s coordinated a claim gambit in your scumchat, knowing the day ends soon enough people won't be able to properly process a counterclaim?Ah yes, the coordinated tactic of having my partner a1s out themselves so they're guaranteed to die first or second to the lynch when they could keep their mouth shut and coast on a free win. Bullshit logic.
That's on the table too.
It's exactly the sort of audacity I'd see cooked up to get a bandwagon to swerve (but like, you didn't have to claim, it was going to swerve anywayssss)
Fluffe can think for themselves.What even is this.Sigh, because Fluffe is newless, youless, and clueless.
Based on your numbers why isn't Fluffe in here? You literally gave them the lowest score of 1 1 3.
The vibe is less 'hide hide hide' and more 'new player who doesn't know what to do at all'
Though if he is scum and is hiding behind his newness I'm gonna be a touch irritated when the game ends. Specially since he would have a scum partner to mentor him.
The vibe is less 'hide hide hide' and more 'new player who doesn't know what to do at all'
Though if he is scum and is hiding behind his newness I'm gonna be a touch irritated when the game ends. Specially since he would have a scum partner to mentor him.
FeelingsA nice post
<bullshit>
Since I'm going to die in the first day/night anyway, I might as well claim to be The Odd Night Doctor. If not lynched I can promise to save one of you from night-death (if simply by being the Mafia's first target.)
I don't need a read list, because I'm going to sheep Toonyman.
YOU DIDN'T NEED TO CLAIM THATAhem:Vote CountI am so under the hammer (even though there are no hammers) you'd think I was an anvil.
- a1s - [3] Toony, Zemaj, FallacyofUrist
~24 hours remaining
It's zemaj and FoU isn't it and I'm just incredibly untrustful of Max and Irony.I don't know about them but it's really not me, bro.
Jeez, is the game ending today already? It barely feels like it's been three days. I told you this gimmick probably wasn't going to work!
Ehhh, technically, we should probably lynch ToonyMan today because, if he's evil, that's the only way we win, but if he's good we'll probably be able to make it work.
You could convince me byThat's one option.
expressing
Your feelings Max
OR.
I could just keep doing nothing.
Look, I don't really have any strong feelings one way or the other. Everybody's read lists looks weak to me and I don't think anyone's trying very hard. When nobody's trying very hard, how am I supposed to interpret anything?
The only thing I can really say is that a1s PROBABLY wouldn't be bold/dumb enough to claim doctor for no good reason as scum. So that's one "town". Sorry, I mean "town".
I'm neutral on Fallacy because everything he says sounds dumb, which is NAI.
I think you're probably town since you seem hopelessly despondent, which is consistent with your town meta. I think you know that though, and sometimes it means you just got a really sucky partner.
Fluffe seems dead, would lynch in any normal game.
I forgot who else was in the game and had to scroll down to look for a list.
Right, Jim, zemaj, IronyOwl. I like IronyOwl. Just, I mean, personally. But nothing he's said in this game has registered at all for me. I guess that's bad. He was right when he said I would approve of killing the people you can't read, though. That's not a contradiction to what I just said; I had to go back and look to remember it. Still, when I actually read what he writes I have to begrudgingly rate him town.
Jim would rather be playing Noita, as usual. I still don't really think he's scum. I feel like as scum he either tries harder OR totally coasts as a gambit like in KJJT, not in the middle. Remembering games where I was scum always reminds me that you are all completely justified in never trusting me, but I still don't like it.
Zemaj did that thing where he said something really dumb to me directly and I just automatically stopped caring, so whatever, non-entity. It's a little hard to describe what I think of his play because the way I presented it before was an intentional oversimplification, but I really think it's bad. I also, separately, think it's dumb, making it bad and dumb. That doesn't mean I have a grudge against it, though. I played it up as annoying for the sake of showing how bad it is but I actually find it mildly funny in a pompous sort of way, like the "a1s is town" thing.
Oh, now Fallacy is being pompous too. It's less funny and more dumb. Lay off the amphetamines a little, okay? Those things will kill you.
No, I get it, sometimes you wake up a little manic and post a bunch of times before you finish thinking, but the point I actually want to make is that your reliance on emotion and your constant "could YOU be the killer trying to confuse me, Fallacy, the hero of mafia, personally?!" paranoia is extremely counterproductive. This is also how I got you lynched pretty much every time you were town. You need to control your worst instincts. Yes, this is mafia, we know, anyone could be evil. Firing wildly into the crowd doesn't help. You didn't even notice that ToonyMan was the first vote on a1s! Even if he's distancing, there was no need for a weird gambit, he could have just organically changed his vote.
Fluffe can think for themselves.What even is this.Sigh, because Fluffe is newless, youless, and clueless.
Based on your numbers why isn't Fluffe in here? You literally gave them the lowest score of 1 1 3.
The vibe is less 'hide hide hide' and more 'new player who doesn't know what to do at all'
Though if he is scum and is hiding behind his newness I'm gonna be a touch irritated when the game ends. Specially since he would have a scum partner to mentor him.
Why was Fluffe okay, but not a1s? I know you stated Max and Irony as your suspects, but you also didn't agree with me about a1s.
One of the things that bothers me is that both you and zemaj did not think a1s was very town, but players like Jim begrudgingly agreed with me that a1s is probably town. This makes me feel better about Jim.
I don't know how to interpret this, but my condolences for your apparent death.FeelingsA nice post
Goes away
My feelings
*cough* *cough*
Pass on
I don't know how to interpret this, but my condolences for your apparent death.FeelingsA nice post
Goes away
My feelings
*cough* *cough*
Pass on
Jamez: I don't really want to lynch ToonyMan either, which is why I didn't vote for him. I was just pointing out that there was a sound argument for it.
Jamez: There are no hammers in this game.
Jamez: Demanding things, wheedling, or trying to "pressure" me will never get you what you want. I'm perverse like that. You have to ask in a way I decide pleases me. If you were perusing my old games to see my playstyle you surely noticed this?
Actually, perusing your old games, the best way to get you to respond is to really get under your skin... unfortunately, best ways to achieve this haven't become totally apparent, and seems to vary by gamestate, but I was trying at it. Incidentally, was it working?No. Only one person in a mafia game ever has, and it made me quit mafia for a long time. I do like pretending to be annoyed or angry, though.
Appeal to EmotionWhat is it that you're calling an appeal to emotion? If I ever made one of those, it was by accident. My general opinion on emotions is that you should try not having them.
Alright. Let's put together a proper vote.Then who?
...
So to conclude. The scumteam is Maximum Spin and IronyOwl.
Alright, I'll just murder you for being dodgy scum instead.<bullshit>
no, I am not playing rehtorical games with you with less than 12 hours left to end of day. We don't have time. I get it, and I would typically approve, but too little, too late. Try that shit when we have more time and I'll verbally fence with you an entire dayphase.
So, to reiterate, we kind of need to figure out the game, which is a pretty tall order, because the end of Day 1 is approaching pretty quickly and we need to have it all figured out by then. So, chilling out and not really doing anything isn't going to cut it.What do you think of the ramifications of scum knowing everyone's list versus town knowing everyone's list?
... jars in my mind with this bit. While both may be true, shouldn't some of that suspicion bleed into your POE? You have the person you say are most dangerous as scum directly above yourself. I mean, it happens I agree with all of it, so I'm wondering why you aren't more suspicious for that, as I am.
reads
Since I'm going to die in the first day/night anyway, I might as well claim to be The Odd Night Doctor. If not lynched I can promise to save one of you from night-death (if simply by being the Mafia's first target.)
I don't need a read list, because I'm going to sheep Toonyman.
This is how I'm going to die, arguing with someone on the internet.
zemaj
Ehhh, technically, we should probably lynch ToonyMan today because, if he's evil, that's the only way we win, but if he's good we'll probably be able to make it work.
Maximum Spin: Wrote a literal paragraph/rant about all the players def engaged if nothing else very annoyed at Fallacy.I mean I appreciate the respect but honestly no. Maybe I exaggerate my reactions too much now that there are all these people who haven't learned I'm not serious.
Thats a bit pointless aint it? I mean whats the point in pretending to be annoyed or mad when you actually dont care? That just feels like something to use as a shield whenever your actually annoyed/angry and is gonna lead to boy who cried wolf situations in the future.Maximum Spin: Wrote a literal paragraph/rant about all the players def engaged if nothing else very annoyed at Fallacy.I mean I appreciate the respect but honestly no. Maybe I exaggerate my reactions too much now that there are all these people who haven't learned I'm not serious.
On the other hand, I really don't want to let Fluffe9911 off the hook for lurking this egregiously. He's barely posted a game related opinion.Wait. I went back to check on this.
Posting to show I exist!
Are you sure you exist? Maybe you're actually secretly a hydra of Org and Dermonster.I don't know who either of those two people are so that means I must exist!
Well, I can't argue with that. Do you think I'm mafia?No clue!
Also can't argue with that. Well, I can't yet.Unless you self-incriminate yourself on words alone probably not!
If I asked you the same question in 48 hours from now, do you think you'd have a decent guess?
Quote from: Jim GroovesterYou're leaving a much different impression this game compared to the late game of Wormwood Mafia. In that game you were fucking ready to rumble, but here the feistiness is missing.Early game Fluffe does not equal late game Fluffe lol.
Fluffe and IronyOwl being together would be...odd.Alrighty since people want me to actually do more things on the first day than just meme around I guess ill bite why would me and Irony be odd?
Also @Fallacy why ya seem so confident it aint Zemaj? Ya even said he was def town even before he posted anything lol.
This is every single post he's had in the game. He's done literally nothing except:Aint playing too aggressively normally a scum sign though?Also @Fallacy why ya seem so confident it aint Zemaj? Ya even said he was def town even before he posted anything lol.
I've never seen him before, but this isn't really a meta read. It just looks like he's playing too aggressively to be scum. There's no hesitation at all.
His sense of humor might not be salvageable, though.
Personally im gonna vote for Zemaj the Fallacy + Zemaj duo is probably too obvious to be actually right but can't think of any other duos that really stand out right now.I stand corrected! Why is the scumteam zemaj and Fallacy, rather than you and MaximumSpin?
@Fluffe:Probably? I mean I guess it could be Max/Irony but Irony dislikes Max too much right now I feel for that to be a realistic possibility.
So if you flip town it's probably zemaj and FoU? I'm putting both at my top if you flip town today. What about Max/Irony? That's the only thing else that seems possible to me.
Thats a bit pointless aint it? I mean whats the point in pretending to be annoyed or mad when you actually dont care? That just feels like something to use as a shield whenever your actually annoyed/angry and is gonna lead to boy who cried wolf situations in the future.It's not that I don't care. I stand by the advice I gave Fallacy. I just play up the appearance of frustration because it was fun and gave me the opportunity to tease him for being hyper.
I stand corrected! Why is the scumteam zemaj and Fallacy, rather than you and MaximumSpin?Aw, Irony, that's mean.
All this.Anddd this is why I hate the 1st day. Just cause I haven't been doing much doesn't mean I don't still form my opinions about things I just don't like sharing them cause news flash its all gut feelings! The only way to get a mafia on the first damn day is if they incriminate themselves on words alone and I believe the average person is smart enough to not do that you can't logic things out you can't look at past actions and deduct based off shown allegiances and words with the bonus of future context to them nopeeee its literally nothing but gut feelings and nothing else good luck!!! I will (probably) NEVER have the proper mindset to be aggressive or properly engaging on the first day outside of answering questions (unless im a mafia or something cause then I can just bullshite my aggression!) I don't know what else to say.
This game has only got one day, so you have to rewire your brain to pretend it's the last day instead. You've got a little under two hours to do it.All this.Anddd this is why I hate the 1st day. Just cause I haven't been doing much doesn't mean I don't still form my opinions about things I just don't like sharing them cause news flash its all gut feelings! The only way to get a mafia on the first damn day is if they incriminate themselves on words alone and I believe the average person is smart enough to not do that you can't logic things out you can't look at past actions and deduct based off shown allegiances and words with the bonus of future context to them nopeeee its literally nothing but gut feelings and nothing else good luck!!! I will (probably) NEVER have the proper mindset to be aggressive or properly engaging on the first day outside of answering questions (unless im a mafia or something cause then I can just bullshite my aggression!) I don't know what else to say.
PPE:Well logically I know im not a mafia since im aware of my role as a player in this game. Since that rules out me and Max from my POV It is my opinion that based off the current vibe that it is unlikely for Max to be scum with you or anyone else since none of you really seem to clash well not a big fan of the feel free to lynch me play he is doing though that doesnt really make any sense to me.Personally im gonna vote for Zemaj the Fallacy + Zemaj duo is probably too obvious to be actually right but can't think of any other duos that really stand out right now.I stand corrected! Why is the scumteam zemaj and Fallacy, rather than you and MaximumSpin?
not a big fan of the feel free to lynch me play he is doing though that doesnt really make any sense to me.I've been on the other side of this, seeing people get distracted by someone and realizing that town just needed to get the lynch out of its system so it could see clearly. Last remember this happening in Paranormal, when Jack just went nuts and had to kill Knightwing.
This game has only got one day, so you have to rewire your brain to pretend it's the last day instead. You've got a little under two hours to do it.You kinda missed my main point about why I hate day 1 but sure screw it ill give it a shot got nothing to lose I guess.
I've been on the other side of this, seeing people get distracted by someone and realizing that town just needed to get the lynch out of its system so it could see clearly. Last remember this happening in Paranormal, when Jack just went nuts and had to kill Knightwing.I guess that's fair but I don't think you getting lynched would really help the town as much as ya think it would it feels like a misplay to me in this specific game.
If it's gonna be my turn on the chopping block, at least it's a game where I lose nothing.
And of course Fluffe9911 starts showing up and in force as soon as I mock him about it.Well it mostly goes back to the start of the first day Zem jokingly says FoU and you are his top scum candidates in a case closed boys meme type way. They joke around for a bit and then Fallacy does a nonserious vote on Zem with the added words of ``He's not scum, I just want to see his reaction.`` all of this feels way too buddy buddy for two town who as far as im aware have never interacted with eachother before. Fallacy simply feels too confident about Zem not being bad that it frankly looks suspicious as hell to me the fact they aint accused eachother at all since does not help my feelings here.
Somebody sell me on zemaj. I feel weird not seeing what people are getting at with him and the proposed zemaj/FoU team.
@Max If you were actually a town why would you want to let yourself be lynched? How does you getting lynched help more than someone else getting lynched?It would be better to lynch scum, but at least lynching me can lead to a town victory if people become more right and less wrong after seeing they were wrong about me.
Oh sure. I'm not convinced it IS my turn on the chopping block. That's why I'm asking people.I've been on the other side of this, seeing people get distracted by someone and realizing that town just needed to get the lynch out of its system so it could see clearly. Last remember this happening in Paranormal, when Jack just went nuts and had to kill Knightwing.I guess that's fair but I don't think you getting lynched would really help the town as much as ya think it would it feels like a misplay to me in this specific game.
If it's gonna be my turn on the chopping block, at least it's a game where I lose nothing.
On the contrary, if I were scum, why would I want to let myself be lynched? Town is almost always more willing to be lynched than scum. There are exceptions, but generally, there are plenty of town and one player isn't worth as much as everyone else being more informed.Well ya wouldn't but saying just lynch me when ya know you probably aint gonna be lynched can be a good smoke screen if your actually a mafia cause as you mention it does make you look like town which is what really matters here. Of course this is under the assumption your betting on them not actually lynching you which personally is probably not a bet I can see you taking right now so ill reluctantly believe your town.
Somebody sell me on zemaj. I feel weird not seeing what people are getting at with him and the proposed zemaj/FoU team.
And of course Fluffe9911 starts showing up and in force as soon as I mock him about it.Well it mostly goes back to the start of the first day Zem jokingly says FoU and you are his top scum candidates in a case closed boys meme type way. They joke around for a bit and then Fallacy does a nonserious vote on Zem with the added words of ``He's not scum, I just want to see his reaction.`` all of this feels way too buddy buddy for two town who as far as im aware have never interacted with eachother before. Fallacy simply feels too confident about Zem not being bad that it frankly looks suspicious as hell to me the fact they aint accused eachother at all since does not help my feelings here.
Somebody sell me on zemaj. I feel weird not seeing what people are getting at with him and the proposed zemaj/FoU team.
It's pretty much what Fluffe says. zemaj and FoU show blind support of each other for reasons I do not understand. It's not to say they could both be town, but it bothers me. Plus the stuff with a1s where they both had them as suspicious which I disagreed with.
You're dangerous and weird.I stand corrected! Why is the scumteam zemaj and Fallacy, rather than you and MaximumSpin?Aw, Irony, that's mean.
- Toonyman -If we make the assumption that scum aren't voting each other, we get two different factions.
- Jim Groovester
- MaximumSpin - [4] a1s, Zemaj, FallacyofUrist, Irony Owl
- FallacyofUrist
- Fluffe9911 - [1] Jim Groovester
- a1s -
- Zemaj - [3] MaximumSpin, Toony, Fluffe9911
- Irony Owl
- No Elimination
Somebody sell me on zemaj. I feel weird not seeing what people are getting at with him and the proposed zemaj/FoU team.
@Irony Tell me if it wasnt me and Max who do you think it would be?Obviously zemaj is at the top of this list, but I don't have a good partner for him. FoU after all, I think?
Do you regret being passive the entire game? You seem to have sprang into action now.Nope wish I was a bit more active yesterday but as far as the first 24 hours go 0 regrets.
You're dangerous and weird.Well, sorry I'm not a panicker. I figure, I did my bit, what happens from here is fate. I definitely don't want to change my vote, I've made my case to the best of my capacity, what else can I do?
ToonyMan is also dangerous and weird, but appears to be panicking as day ends, as is good and proper for town who's realizing we don't have anything and the clock is ticking down.
Well, sorry I'm not a panicker. I figure, I did my bit, what happens from here is fate. I definitely don't want to change my vote, I've made my case to the best of my capacity, what else can I do?Yeah but you were unapologetically apathetic for most of the game. This doesn't feel like trying your best and what happens happens. More like not really caring about not doing anything and nothing good coming from it.
If you agree with me that Zemaj is scummy, why are you voting for me?Because Fluffe is also voting for zemaj, which implies they're not both scum. That's it.
Somebody sell me on zemaj. I feel weird not seeing what people are getting at with him and the proposed zemaj/FoU team.Spoiler: Exhibit A (click to show/hide)He became immediately defensive and refused to discuss his own reads and reasoning when asked. That reads like jumpy scum or town with some kind of chip on its shoulder.Spoiler: Exhibit B (click to show/hide)
seriously, that is a blatant oversimplification of the interaction where you basically invited me to rank players subjectively, which can really only lead to bad feelings, and mire up the actual discussion, which is already about as thin as it gets, for this setup. If you had pulled that 18hours earlier, I'd have been all over it, just to get conversation moving. However, at the time you did, with less than 24hrs left to day end, and with such low participation, its either scum trying to get town in chaos or oblivious wise fool, and I refuse to engage with either.I asked you to clarify how much of your scum reads were from poor play as opposed to other factors. That's not a distraction guaranteed to hurt people's feelings, that's a fundamental part of how you are playing (or claim to be playing) the game. You also did so at first while claiming I was trying to set you up, so apparently you found some merit and not that much harm in it.
seriously, that is a blatant oversimplification of the interaction where you basically invited me to rank players subjectively, which can really only lead to bad feelings, and mire up the actual discussion, which is already about as thin as it gets, for this setup. If you had pulled that 18hours earlier, I'd have been all over it, just to get conversation moving. However, at the time you did, with less than 24hrs left to day end, and with such low participation, its either scum trying to get town in chaos or oblivious wise fool, and I refuse to engage with either.I asked you to clarify how much of your scum reads were from poor play as opposed to other factors. That's not a distraction guaranteed to hurt people's feelings, that's a fundamental part of how you are playing (or claim to be playing) the game. You also did so at first while claiming I was trying to set you up, so apparently you found some merit and not that much harm in it.
It was only after I asked if I understood you correctly that you seemingly panicked and just refused to talk about it any further.
@Toony Why do ya keep changing your votes around so much?I've voted twice.
reads back through the chat so far Oh whoops for some reason had it in my mind ya kept changing it around my bad.@Toony Why do ya keep changing your votes around so much?I've voted twice.
@Jim Tell me why are you so confident that it can't be Toony and it's unlikely to be Zemaj? They haven't done anything that screams 100% town to me so im not certain of your reasoning
And of course Fluffe9911 starts showing up and in force as soon as I mock him about it.Well it mostly goes back to the start of the first day Zem jokingly says FoU and you are his top scum candidates in a case closed boys meme type way. They joke around for a bit and then Fallacy does a nonserious vote on Zem with the added words of ``He's not scum, I just want to see his reaction.`` all of this feels way too buddy buddy for two town who as far as im aware have never interacted with eachother before. Fallacy simply feels too confident about Zem not being bad that it frankly looks suspicious as hell to me the fact they aint accused eachother at all since does not help my feelings here.
Somebody sell me on zemaj. I feel weird not seeing what people are getting at with him and the proposed zemaj/FoU team.
It's pretty much what Fluffe says. zemaj and FoU show blind support of each other for reasons I do not understand. It's not to say they could both be town, but it bothers me. Plus the stuff with a1s where they both had them as suspicious which I disagreed with.
Somebody sell me on zemaj. I feel weird not seeing what people are getting at with him and the proposed zemaj/FoU team.Spoiler: Exhibit A (click to show/hide)He became immediately defensive and refused to discuss his own reads and reasoning when asked. That reads like jumpy scum or town with some kind of chip on its shoulder.Spoiler: Exhibit B (click to show/hide)
Jim feels town to me, albeit more interested in blowing himself up than blowing up scum.
there we go. Not sure how that makes me more a candidate than Fallacy, but apparently it does.
Zemaj, right now, if you aren't scum, town loses.
You should be presenting an alternate case.
I think the argument is shit, but people are eating it up so I guess I'm in line for D2. My best hope is cop makes a good inspection, and saves my ass.I don't think the argument is shit. Especially if Max is town. Fluffe isn't even considering Max here. Fluffe would rather consider you and FoU together than Max being mafia.
At least, if you flip town. But as I am better than ~70% on you being scum, I'm pretty sure people will let this silly idea that two people reading each other town and agreeing is utterly damning. Sometimes, people just agree, dispite their better judgement.
are you trying to cause a tie, Jim Groovester?If anything he made the gap wider.
are you trying to cause a tie, Jim Groovester?
You're dangerous and weird.
Okay. It was about me anyway.You're dangerous and weird.
Really hoping somebody puts this in their signature.
Nice.Okay. It was about me anyway.You're dangerous and weird.
Really hoping somebody puts this in their signature.
I think the argument is shit, but people are eating it up so I guess I'm in line for D2. My best hope is cop makes a good inspection, and saves my ass.I don't think the argument is shit. Especially if Max is town. Fluffe isn't even considering Max here. Fluffe would rather consider you and FoU together than Max being mafia.
At least, if you flip town. But as I am better than ~70% on you being scum, I'm pretty sure people will let this silly idea that two people reading each other town and agreeing is utterly damning. Sometimes, people just agree, dispite their better judgement.
Mafia are Max/Fluffe or zemaj/FoU.Guess I'm going with this.
lmao indeedNice.Okay. It was about me anyway.You're dangerous and weird.
Really hoping somebody puts this in their signature.
But as I am better than ~70% on you being scum, I'm pretty sure people will let this silly idea that two people reading each other town and agreeing is utterly damning. Sometimes, people just agree, dispite their better judgement.Okay, well, that's a stupid reason to take an L, but whatever. I gave you a chance.
are you trying to cause a tie, Jim Groovester?
But as I am better than ~70% on you being scum, I'm pretty sure people will let this silly idea that two people reading each other town and agreeing is utterly damning. Sometimes, people just agree, dispite their better judgement.Okay, well, that's a stupid reason to take an L, but whatever. I gave you a chance.
If you were paying attention you would've seen the cop only inspects on even nights so D2 will go without.
If it isn't you I think your most likely bet is ToonyMan and... IronyOwl, I guess. So, good luck with that. Looks like it won't be my problem.
Exactly, cop inspects tonight, gets scum (I hope), that influences D2 elimination. That's how I understand it, anyway.One is an odd number.
So you think Fluffe's arguments and thoughts are better than mine? Really? You've mentioned being ill, is it a fever?It's not a fever I think it's a really bad cold. I've had it for the majority of this game so if we lose I blame that.
I'm kind of deflated from all this sudden turn on me... based on an argument that comes from a lurker focusing on early interactions, that all, somehow I'm not clear on, make me specifically look worse than the other guy. Sure you eliminate him next. Great. IMO, two town gone. Only thing that makes it palatable is my confidence that Max is one of scum. So I'm good... that's still 2 shots to get scum, which I think is likely. Not my favorite outcome, where I live to the end with a win, but a win, which is better than a loss.I don't think it's a sudden turn I've been pretty adamant of my suspicions if Max is town. Do you see why I think it's odd you rate FoU so highly as town? And that FoU does the same for you? You even pointed out to Jim earlier in this game that they had paranoia about me, but apparently have resigned themselves to their fate and trust that I'm town. I don't see that kind of resolution with you and FoU.
are you trying to cause a tie, Jim Groovester?
Let me just say that I love the 300 IQ move of voting somebody for causing a tie that never happened and then running off without correcting it thirty minutes before the end of the day.
Exactly, cop inspects tonight, gets scum (I hope), that influences D2 elimination. That's how I understand it, anyway.One is an odd number.
So you think Fluffe's arguments and thoughts are better than mine? Really? You've mentioned being ill, is it a fever?It's not a fever I think it's a really bad cold. I've had it for the majority of this game so if we lose I blame that.I'm kind of deflated from all this sudden turn on me... based on an argument that comes from a lurker focusing on early interactions, that all, somehow I'm not clear on, make me specifically look worse than the other guy. Sure you eliminate him next. Great. IMO, two town gone. Only thing that makes it palatable is my confidence that Max is one of scum. So I'm good... that's still 2 shots to get scum, which I think is likely. Not my favorite outcome, where I live to the end with a win, but a win, which is better than a loss.I don't think it's a sudden turn I've been pretty adamant of my suspicions if Max is town. Do you see why I think it's odd you rate FoU so highly as town? And that FoU does the same for you? You even pointed out to Jim earlier in this game that they had paranoia about me, but apparently have resigned themselves to their fate and trust that I'm town. I don't see that kind of resolution with you and FoU.
It’s Spin and Owl. That’s my best estimate.You missed out on the shipping name: Max Irony
Posting from phone.This seems too obvious for a FoU+zemaj scumteam, but then again I don't have a good explanation for voting Jim and keeping your vote on Jim while the rest of us lynch your top scumpick.
Basically from zemaj’s behavior I have a hard time imagining him as scum.
He’s doing the very opposite of hanging back and not engaging, and while his argumentation hasn’t always been the best, I just haven’t seen any scum tells from him. Just incompetence. Same reason I’m not going after Fluffe.
It’s Spin and Owl. That’s my best estimate.
Posting from phone.This seems too obvious for a FoU+zemaj scumteam, but then again I don't have a good explanation for voting Jim and keeping your vote on Jim while the rest of us lynch your top scumpick.
Basically from zemaj’s behavior I have a hard time imagining him as scum.
He’s doing the very opposite of hanging back and not engaging, and while his argumentation hasn’t always been the best, I just haven’t seen any scum tells from him. Just incompetence. Same reason I’m not going after Fluffe.
It’s Spin and Owl. That’s my best estimate.
?Derp, got them confused.
a1s is voting me, not FallacyofUrist. He's voting Maximum Spin.
A lot of players would still have Irony as a top3 pick even if Max flipped mafia.Which is weird, because I don't think anyone has an actual case against me. I've apparently just floated to the lower top of a lot of lists due to gut feelings or lack of suspects elsewhere.
zemaj was obvscum early doors, did not suspect Jim at all. Thought it was FoU after his weird pivot in the middle of the day, and after that I probably would have went after the lurkers… who were the PRs.A hyperactive FoU is a town FoU, that's why I yelled at him.
Perhaps the voting lists should be posted publicly? That would let the town better coordinate on future lynches and also stops the scum team from being able to vote how they really want to.On first blush this seems like it would work better, but also consider this would allow the mafia team to make perfect night kill choices, so it might end up more potent for them. Could be worth a try some time. Though another thing is, if the lists were public, people would have to make them before the D1 flip, which would also make things harder for town.
Thanks everyone for playing!Thanks for hosting! Interesting experiment.Perhaps the voting lists should be posted publicly? That would let the town better coordinate on future lynches and also stops the scum team from being able to vote how they really want to.On first blush this seems like it would work better, but also consider this would allow the mafia team to make perfect night kill choices, so it might end up more potent for them. Could be worth a try some time. Though another thing is, if the lists were public, people would have to make them before the D1 flip, which would also make things harder for town.
I wonder if more moving parts would make the game better or worse. The whole point is to be short, but I'm not sure if it should be simple.It could possibly work with more roles. Here's some ideas:
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You get bonus points if you use AI models trained on our posts to play the rest of the game for us.