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Finally... => Forum Games and Roleplaying => Mafia => Topic started by: Servant Corps on August 12, 2009, 06:01:30 pm
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Based off this concept... (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=30895.msg423699#msg423699) You guys have heard the rumors, the poor footage, and the Pop-Up Ads:
DOPPELGANGERS ARE AMONGST US! And they are invading your town right now! Protect yourself! Buy this "10-Step Guide to Setting Up A Lynch Mob" Today!
But is this true? You gather together, and watch each other carefully...looking to find out once and for all.
*If Doppelgangers exist, about 1/4 of the players are Doppelgangers. The rest are humans or Third-Party Roles.
*If the Doppelgangers don't exist, all are humans or Third-Party Roles.
The goal of the Humans is to correctly determine if Doppelgangers exist.
The goal of the Doppelgangers is to convince the Humans that the Doppelgangers do not exist.
Third Party Roles:
---Conspiracy Theorist: You know that Doppelgangers aren't real, but you need to offload the excess inventory of alien abducations. You win if at least three Humans believe that the Doppelgangers are real.
---FBI Agent: You know that Doppelgangers are real, but you do not want to cause any sort of panic. You win if at least three Humans believe that Doppelgangers are not real.
---Dopp Hunter: You do not know if Doppelgangers are in fact real. However, you arrive here anyway, in hopes of finding proof. Every night, you may snatch someone, removing you and that person from the game. If that person you kidnap is a Doppelganger, you win. If you survive to the end of the game without snatching anyone, you only win if there are no Doppelgangers at all.
---The Joker: You want to die, but you want everyone else to suffer along with you. Your goal is to cause a mislynch that will cause everyone else to lose. You do not have to be lynched.
---The Politican: You know that politics is a popularity contest, and you intend to win it. Every day, your victory condition is randomly selected between Conspiracy Theorist and FBI Agent. You win when you acheive your victory condition.
---Cultist Leader: You realize that people will turn to religion in times of stress, so why not let them turn to the Great Old Ones for protection? Every night, you may attempt to recruit a person. If you recruit a Doppelganger or a Third-Party Role, you and your fellow Cultists will be Night-Killed. Otherwise, if you recruit a Human, they join up with your Cult. You win when 3 Humans are a member of your Cult. If you are NKed, you die and lose, but your fellow Cultists will remain to carry on your legacy.
Lynching:
During the day, the Town may vote to lynch someone. Only Human votes count. If a majority of the people would to lynch someone, the following happens:
a) If the Town lynches a Human or a Third-Party, the Lynch Mob is guilty of MURDER! The Federal Government will arrive and arrest all concerned. Everyone loses, except for The Joker.[/b]
b) If the Town lynches a Doppelganger, all Humans wins and all Doppelgangers and Third-Party Roles lose.
The Town may also vote to No Lynch, which will advance to the night.
Night:
If Doppelgangers are real, they decide via a vote who gets to be Night-Killed. They may not NK any of their own.
If Doppelgangers are fake, a random person is NKed.
Endgame:
After three days, all Humans vote.
If Doppelgangers are real:
a) All humans who guess that the Doppelgangers are real wins.
a) If more than half the Humans guess that the Doppelgangers are real, Doppelgangers lose. Otherwise, Doppelgangers wins.
c) All humans who guess that the Doppelgangers are not real lose.
If Doppelgangers are false:
a) All humans who guess that the Doppelgangers are not real wins. All other humans lose.
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in
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Wow, now that's just mean. In.
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I'm going away soon, so I won't join, but it sounds like an evil concept.
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How many Third Party roles will there be?
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Ok, I don't have time for another game right now but I think this is hilarious! I'll definitely have to watch it.
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I shall join the conspiracy.
Regardless of whether I'm town, 3rd party, or Dopp, I will say and think that Dopps exist.
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How many Third Party roles will there be?
Two. Enough to cause some second-guessing of motives, but not enough to get people too unfocused on the Doppelganger Question.
List of Players Signed Up:
---Zaithmaster
---Org
---Mr.Person
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I've heard of this game, so I will indeed join.
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I must join this. My mortality rate is low.
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I'm so in.
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So, 6 people now.
---Pandarsenic
---ToonyMan
---webadict
---Zaithmaster
---Org
---Mr.Person
Anyone else want to join? I plan on starting the game ASAP.
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In!
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In
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Why not?
In.
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You lived a nice, quiet life on Maple Street...everyone knew each other and life was pleasent.
Then, power was shut off throughout the Street, and the cars stopped working. To make matters worse, rumors began to spread that on Main Street, three Doppelganger Pods were discovered. Of course, the Government claimed that Doppelgangers don't exist...and yet...
Day 1.
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[Twilight zone]
Right now we know that there are 9 people:
2 are third party
of the remaining 7, at least 4-5 of us are human. Are the other 2-3 human or doppelganger?
I am going to make a proposal and claim that doppelgangers do in fact exist.
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[Twilight zone]
Right now we know that there are 9 people:
2 are third party
of the remaining 7, at least 4-5 of us are human. Are the other 2-3 human or doppelganger?
I am going to make a proposal and claim that doppelgangers do in fact exist.
I would say you're the doppleganger who is trying to spread misinformation, atm.
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Were I a doppelganger, would I really say they exist?
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Were I a doppelganger, would I really say they exist?
Possibly, to make it look like you aren't one (After all, why WOULD you say they exist? You MUST not be a dopp. Ooops, he's a dopp!)
That's called WIFOM my good man, and you're doing it rather well.
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I can at least vouch that I am not a doppelganger.
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Were I a doppelganger, would I really say they exist?
Possibly, to make it look like you aren't one (After all, why WOULD you say they exist? You MUST not be a dopp. Ooops, he's a dopp!)
That's called WIFOM my good man, and you're doing it rather well.
True. But if we can't find 2 dopps, guess what I am.
And how do you know I'm not 3rd party either?
And the proposal was a shot in the dark. I have no idea whether or not they exist, and I don't care as long as I survive.
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We should Mass-Roleclaim guys.
Also, I thought of the Twilight Zone too! ;D
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While it's safer to just assume the Dopps don't exist (until the end of the game, where if they do exist, and the majority says they don't, we all lose) or at least not lynch anybody, I believe in doing things the hard way. To quote the great John F. Kennedy:
We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.
In our case, choosing to go to the moon is like choosing to determine if the Dopps are real and here. This serves to measure the best of our skills of reasoning, because that challenge is one that we, or at least I, am willing to accept, one I am unwilling to postpone, and one which I intend to win with!
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Hey everyone
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Hey everyone
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.
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Hello.
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I'm Human.
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I'm Human.
What's the point of this? We're all going to claim human. Cut this crap out right now and begin, you know, random voting and shit. This isn't really random, but I'll vote Little.
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I vote Org so he talks more.
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In the first post, it states one major way this is different: we lynch a human, we lose. If that remains the case, no lynch.
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I'm just voting so he talks. I doubt it'll stay. If he doesn't talk then he is a dopp like always.
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So I just had a Peanut Butter sandwich. And it was GOOD.
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I'm eating a ham and cheese while I'm typing right now.
Fine.
Unvote.
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Hey, I did talk more. Lawl.
I might not be on later as my friend is about to get here.TIME FO SOME WARHAMMER
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In the first post, it states one major way this is different: we lynch a human, we lose. If that remains the case, no lynch.
So in other words, you just want to no lynch for 3 days and guess if there are dopps? FoS on RedWarrior here for not wanting to scum-hunt.
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Of course, if there's no dopps, then we all lose. Unless...
Perhaps, Mr. Person, you are The Joker and TRYING to get an innocent lynched.
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Can we even be sure the Dopps exist? I mean, it's pretty likely, but Servant is a tricky bastard...
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Of course, if there's no dopps, then we all lose. Unless...
Perhaps, Mr. Person, you are The Joker and TRYING to get an innocent lynched.
Or you're a dopp trying not to get caught. See how it goes back and forth? We can do this crap all day but eventually we gotta decide if there are dopps or not.
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Suck an elf!
Lurkers....rise!
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Keep in mind, only Humans' votes counts towards deciding if there is a lynching or if there is No Lynch. Third-Party and Doppelgangers (if they exist) can vote, but their vote will not count.
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So, if no one else votes, we can be completely sure about Mr. Person's status in terms of human/not?
This would require humans to PM you their votes.
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So, if no one else votes, we can be completely sure about Mr. Person's status in terms of human/not?
This would require humans to PM you their votes.
What. You must be new to mafia, votes are public. Also, why would I do that? If I pick wrong or there really aren't any dopps, we lose. I'm thinking you might actually be the jester yourself. Surely you see the problems with your plan?
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I mean this: If 3 hypothetical doppelgangers and a human vote Player A as the most apparent, and two humans vote Player B, then B would be killed because human votes are the only ones that count. Then you would know that at least 3 of the people voting for A are doppelgangers. Any clearer?
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Town would lose then. IT'S MURDER DOOD.
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a) If the Town lynches a Human or a Third-Party, the Lynch Mob is guilty of MURDER! The Federal Government will arrive and arrest all concerned.
Well, I guess it MIGHT work if we have any players left. :P
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Wait no, we all lose. EXCEPT FOR THE JOKER.
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Why did the quote delete that part? I'M ON TO YOU.
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Assuming there is a Joker, that is.
And I'm quite worried: webadict has been silent.
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Assuming there is a Joker, that is.
And I'm quite worried: webadict has been silent.
Have you thought about checking last active?
If you want to go off of probabilities: It's better to assume everyone's human.
Why?
Well, if you're a Human, then we can go off of percentages. There's a 50% chance that Doppelgangers exist. Now, that means we have two situations.
1) 100% of people are Humans.
2) 75% of people are Humans.
So, that means that if you're Human, it's better to assume Humans exist because:
100% * 50% = 50%
75% * 50% = 37.5%
Therefore, you have a mathematical advantage to assume Humans exist if you are a Human.
However, that's just probabilities.
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You mean dopps don't exist instead of humans exist, right?
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You mean dopps don't exist instead of humans exist, right?
Yeah. Whoopsies.
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"I am a human, therefore humans exist."
You would be a great philosopher.
Anyway, back to the game...
Pandarsenic is the only one not to post yet.
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100% * 50% = 50%
75% * 50% = 37.5%
I don't get it, webadict.
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The GM doesn't get you webadict.
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Broken math trying to make us think dopps don't exist. Hence, I believe they DO exist.
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Broken math trying to make us think dopps don't exist. Hence, I believe they DO exist.
Well, you've got 3 days to call it. As for me, I'm going to assume they do exist right up until voting time. After all, if we assume they exist, we'll scum-hunt a LOT better. Webadict, you're right, the odds do say that any on person we vote for will be human, in all probability, but if we assume dopps don't exist, we'll still lose 50% of the time, period. At the very least, we should be talking more. Way too many lurkers in this game, really.
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I am a Doppelganger Telepath. Fucking Watchers. *Grumble grumble*
Oh, wrong game. What's this about MATH and SCIENCE I hear? Arguing against existence of Dopps in general?
Suspicious.
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I am the watcher. I have found out Pandarsenic is a dopp telepath. WE MUST LYNCH HIM.
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I am the watcher. I have found out Pandarsenic is a dopp telepath. WE MUST LYNCH HIM.
>:[
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You people do realize there's little point in voting to lynch, right? 6 or 7 out of 9 possible targets (if there are Dopps) will end the game with a loss for everyone (or almost everyone). If there are no Dopps, then the lynch of anybody will result in a loss for (almost) everyone. The only time a lynch would be useful is if we have someone we know for a fact to be a Dopp.
However, scum-hunting is still good. But we need to be sure to not lynch someone unless they refuse to cooperate. People pushing for a lynch with little evidence are likely Dopps or a Joker.
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Yep. And if there IS dopps, they won't get NKed so we have a higher chance of finding them anyway if they're real.
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Rule Clarification: If Doppelgangers are in fact real, there will be 3 Doppelgangers. Not 2. 3.
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So without dopps.
7/9 human 2/9 third-party
With dopps.
4/9 human 2/9 third-party 3/9 dopps
By the third day that would mean two of the humans and/or third-party would be dead. If there is dopps the chance of lynching one is...
1st Day Lynch(with dopps):
34%
2nd Day Lynch(with dopps):
38%
3rd Final Day Lynch(with dopps):
43%
Well, that is if there's dopps. :P I say we no lynch. It's too risky, because there's like a 50% chance there is no dopps at all and that's automatic lose. That's not even counting if there is dopps and the chance of hitting one of them. Agh.
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Question: On the third day, if you vote that there are dopps, do you have to specifically choose somebody to vote for as a dopp or can you just say "I think there are dopps, but I dunno who" and still win?
WAY too many of you guys are saying we should not think there are dopps. Why? Are you the dopps trying to get us to assume there are none so you can win?
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At the end of the third day, I will PM all humans asking them, "Are the Doppelgangers real?"
Each Human reply back via PM either saying that Doppelgangers are real or that Doppelgangers are fake.
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WAY too many of you guys are saying we should not think there are dopps. Why? Are you the dopps trying to get us to assume there are none so you can win?
I assume you weren't talking about me. But if you were, I was saying that we shouldn't lynch unless we're 100% certain a person is a Dopp.
I believe there are Dopps. But we won't know until the end. We (humans) don't get the benefit of voting records, really, because as soon as someone is lynched, the game is over. Because if people vote for the right person, we win. If we vote for the wrong person (2/3 chance if there are Dopps, 100% chance if there aren't), we lose.
So...anyone have any good ideas for scum-hunting that don't involve lynchings?
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At the end of the third day, I will PM all humans asking them, "Are the Doppelgangers real?"
Each Human reply back via PM either saying that Doppelgangers are real or that Doppelgangers are fake.
The Doppelgangers just don't reply?
Zaithemaster, it doesn't matter if we lynch Dopps. We just have to guess if they exist.
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At the end of the third day, I will PM all humans asking them, "Are the Doppelgangers real?"
Each Human reply back via PM either saying that Doppelgangers are real or that Doppelgangers are fake.
The Doppelgangers just don't reply?
He wouldn't PM them.
Zaithemaster, it doesn't matter if we lynch Dopps. We just have to guess if they exist.
Exactly. Lynchings aren't really good, as that requires us to know a specific Dopp, not just whether they exist or not. Lynchings just end the game faster.
I meant scum-hunting as in determining if there are scum or not [see my JFK speech thing], not the typical determining who is scum. But I can't think of any good ways to do this, which is why I asked if anyone else has ideas.
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Broken math trying to make us think dopps don't exist. Hence, I believe they DO exist.
Well, if they do exist, you're one of them.
Now then, there's a completely logical (and cheap) way to win this game. There's a statistically more likely chance Doppelgangers exist, if you read your role pms very carefully. It's not very much more likely, but it certainly is more probable.
Though, this may simply be coincidence, and meta-knowledge I'm not sure I'm allowed to share. Anyhow, I'll keep quiet about it. It's certainly not a whole lot to go off of.
Also, SC, what happens in the event of a tie for lynchings?
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My role PM gives no hints of anything. What are you talking about with your "metagame" stuff?
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Hypothesis A: Quiet players are Doppelgangers Among Us, trying to avoid incriminating themselves.
Hypothesis B: The players most vocal about thinking there are Dopps are the Doppelgangers. They're trying to look clueless through suspicion.
Hypothesis C: People now trying to avoid those extremes are Dopps made nervous by this post.
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Broken math trying to make us think dopps don't exist. Hence, I believe they DO exist.
Well, if they do exist, you're one of them.
Now then, there's a completely logical (and cheap) way to win this game. There's a statistically more likely chance Doppelgangers exist, if you read your role pms very carefully. It's not very much more likely, but it certainly is more probable.
Though, this may simply be coincidence, and meta-knowledge I'm not sure I'm allowed to share. Anyhow, I'll keep quiet about it. It's certainly not a whole lot to go off of.
Also, SC, what happens in the event of a tie for lynchings?
The earlier vote is the the tie-breaker.
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Lame. I was hoping for something else. Are we made aware that it WAS a tie?
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No.
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Hey everyone im back.
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Hypothesis A: Quiet players are Doppelgangers Among Us, trying to avoid incriminating themselves.
Hypothesis B: The players most vocal about thinking there are Dopps are the Doppelgangers. They're trying to look clueless through suspicion.
Hypothesis C: People now trying to avoid those extremes are Dopps made nervous by this post.
Welcome to WIFOM world! Population: You!
We should wait 3 days before lynching if we decide to lynch, so yeah. Vote no lynch. Note that Webadict isn't usually wrong about his first guess, so take that however you like.
Also possible as scum is all the lurkers. Seriously, I bet the real dopps are trying to lurk to victory. Come on, speak up, guys!
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No.
Crap. That makes this statistically less possible then.
Rule Clarification: If Doppelgangers are in fact real, there will be 3 Doppelgangers. Not 2. 3.
This rule is BS. If there are 3 Doppelgangers, that means 1/3 of us are Doppelgangers and not the 25% you claimed (2/9 = 22.2%, 3/9 = 33.3%). This also means there is almost no way to win this game unless there are, in fact, no Doppelgangers, except through pure luck and analysis.
Simply put, there IS a way to at least give us some information. We could've had two people vote each other.
What this does is give us a little information: If one of them is a Doppelganger, then the Doppelganger is lynched. If both are Doppelgangers, neither are lynched. However, if both are human, that means one of them is lynched and we all lose the next day.
So, there's really no way to win by lynching, except if Doppelgangers are real. If they are real, we can win by lynching. However, this makes no sense, since we cannot assume such things. Therefore, there will be no lynching ever in this game. Do not vote to lynch.
If you vote, I will have to kill you, through sheer analysis, questioning, and overbearingness.
You will single-handedly lose the game for us if you vote, and I will make you suffer for doing that. DO NOT INVOKE THE WRATH OF WEBADICT!
Therefore, we're going with analysis and playing this game with what little information we can't gather. Therefore, I'm not claiming this to be more of a guessing game than anything else, and that guess is that Humans exist, since it would totally be like SC to make a game like this to make us assume Dopps exist. As well, he seems to have completely missed the part of himself giving a completely wrong percentage to the Doppelgangers, something I wouldn't assume of him.
So, just a note: Dopps don't exist. This will be my thinking until someone can give a better scenario.
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This rule is BS. If there are 3 Doppelgangers, that means 1/3 of us are Doppelgangers and not the 25% you claimed (2/9 = 22.2%, 3/9 = 33.3%). This also means there is almost no way to win this game unless there are, in fact, no Doppelgangers, except through pure luck and analysis.
Yes, but that's 22.2% Not 25%. I said that the Doppelgangers would have 25%, but I felt only giving them 22.2% was not exactly fair to the Doppelgangers (if they exist), so I gave them an extra person.
I'm sorry. That was stupid of me.
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Remember, if there are dopps, if we vote to lynch, they lose, period.
Webadict, why are you complaining about there being MORE dopps than SC said there would be? This is a good thing, since we only have to lynch one. Instead of a 2/9 chance of winning on a lynch, we have a 3/9 or 1/3 chance of victory. Actually, factoring in the 2 NK's, we wind up with 2/7 changing to 3/7 if we just randomly lynch. This means that if we lynch randomly every game, we'll win half of them. If we assume dopps aren't real every game, we'll win almost half of them. Since we won't lynch randomly, I think going for the lynch would be a good idea, actually. This isn't even factoring in dopps and 3rd parties not having votes, which is very helpful.
Unless, you guys actually think there are no dopps, in which case lynching would, of course, be a bad idea.
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This rule is BS. If there are 3 Doppelgangers, that means 1/3 of us are Doppelgangers and not the 25% you claimed (2/9 = 22.2%, 3/9 = 33.3%). This also means there is almost no way to win this game unless there are, in fact, no Doppelgangers, except through pure luck and analysis.
Yes, but that's 22.2% Not 25%. I said that the Doppelgangers would have 25%, but I felt only giving them 22.2% was not exactly fair to the Doppelgangers (if they exist), so I gave them an extra person.
I'm sorry. That was stupid of me.
Indeed. You just revealed that there are in fact Dopps.
Remember, if there are dopps, if we vote to lynch, they lose, period.
No. That's if we vote to lynch a Dopp, not just to lynch anybody. Which is a 1/3 chance today.
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Remember, if there are dopps, if we vote to lynch, they lose, period.
Webadict, why are you complaining about there being MORE dopps than SC said there would be? This is a good thing, since we only have to lynch one. Instead of a 2/9 chance of winning on a lynch, we have a 3/9 or 1/3 chance of victory. Actually, factoring in the 2 NK's, we wind up with 2/7 changing to 3/7 if we just randomly lynch. This means that if we lynch randomly every game, we'll win half of them. If we assume dopps aren't real every game, we'll win almost half of them. Since we won't lynch randomly, I think going for the lynch would be a good idea, actually. This isn't even factoring in dopps and 3rd parties not having votes, which is very helpful.
Unless, you guys actually think there are no dopps, in which case lynching would, of course, be a bad idea.
Let's just think about this right now:
LYNCHING IS A BAD IDEA PERIOD BECAUSE THE POINT OF THE GAME IS NOT TO LYNCH THEM BUT TO DETERMINE IF THEY ARE IN EXISTENCE AND THEREFORE LYNCHING IS EXTREMELY STUPID BECAUSE THAT'S DUMB AND ONLY RUINS IT FOR TOWN THEREFORE WE WILL NEVER LYNCH AND THEN WE WILL DETERMINE IF THERE ARE DOPPS BY DAY THREE HOW DOES THAT SOUND APPEALING YES I KNOW I CAME UP WITH IT SO START DETERMINING IF DOPPS EXIST AND NOT ABOUT LYNCHING OKAY BECAUSE IF YOU VOTE TO LYNCH YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY WIN FOR TOWN GOT IT BECAUSE THE CHANCES OF SUCH A THING HELPING US ARE LESS THAN US FLIPPING THE COIN TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE DOPPS SO HOW ABOUT YOU TRY THAT FIRST AND IF FOR SOME REASON THAT FAILS YOU HOW ABOUT YOU TRY SCUMHUNTING
This rule is BS. If there are 3 Doppelgangers, that means 1/3 of us are Doppelgangers and not the 25% you claimed (2/9 = 22.2%, 3/9 = 33.3%). This also means there is almost no way to win this game unless there are, in fact, no Doppelgangers, except through pure luck and analysis.
Yes, but that's 22.2% Not 25%. I said that the Doppelgangers would have 25%, but I felt only giving them 22.2% was not exactly fair to the Doppelgangers (if they exist), so I gave them an extra person.
I'm sorry. That was stupid of me.
Indeed. You just revealed that there are in fact Dopps.
Remember, if there are dopps, if we vote to lynch, they lose, period.
No. That's if we vote to lynch a Dopp, not just to lynch anybody. Which is a 1/3 chance today.
Yes, SC did sort of reveal that there are Dopps... And if everyone agrees there are, have Zaithemaster and RedWarrior0 lynch each other.
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And if everyone agrees there are, have Zaithemaster and RedWarrior0 lynch each other.
Impossible for me. 3rd parties don't get to vote; I'm the Politician. I did my little JFK speech thing as a bit of a hint. This is also the reason I haven't voted yet, even for a no lynch; it would be meaningless for me to do so.
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And if everyone agrees there are, have Zaithemaster and RedWarrior0 lynch each other.
Impossible for me. 3rd parties don't get to vote; I'm the Politician. I did my little JFK speech thing as a bit of a hint. This is also the reason I haven't voted yet, even for a no lynch; it would be meaningless for me to do so.
Really now? That's a real shame, because that makes you utterly pointless, and everything you say is now moot. Anyone else wanna claim a Third Party role before we start randomly chopping off heads? Because three Third Party roles would certainly be a bad thing for scum to do...
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And if everyone agrees there are, have Zaithemaster and RedWarrior0 lynch each other.
No, sorry. I believe dopps exist, but I'm not going to lynch anyone unless we're sure they're dopp.
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And if everyone agrees there are, have Zaithemaster and RedWarrior0 lynch each other.
No, sorry. I believe dopps exist, but I'm not going to lynch anyone unless we're sure they're dopp.
If you believe Dopps exist, you will lynch someone if I tell you to. And you will like it.
Anyhow, I would like to point out that if Zaithemaster dies tonight, there are indeed Doppelgangers.
Also, if Doppelgangers exist, RedWarrior0 is a Doppelganger.
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And if everyone agrees there are, have Zaithemaster and RedWarrior0 lynch each other.
No, sorry. I believe dopps exist, but I'm not going to lynch anyone unless we're sure they're dopp.
If you believe Dopps exist, you will lynch someone if I tell you to. And you will like it.
Anyhow, I would like to point out that if Zaithemaster dies tonight, there are indeed Doppelgangers.
Also, if Doppelgangers exist, RedWarrior0 is a Doppelganger.
(Note to self: never mess with webadict in a mafia game)
Just out of curiosity, what makes you think I'm a dopp if they exist?
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DOPP DOPP DOPP.
Dopps ask that question! I'm on to you!
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And if everyone agrees there are, have Zaithemaster and RedWarrior0 lynch each other.
No, sorry. I believe dopps exist, but I'm not going to lynch anyone unless we're sure they're dopp.
If you believe Dopps exist, you will lynch someone if I tell you to. And you will like it.
Anyhow, I would like to point out that if Zaithemaster dies tonight, there are indeed Doppelgangers.
Also, if Doppelgangers exist, RedWarrior0 is a Doppelganger.
(Note to self: never mess with webadict in a mafia game)
Just out of curiosity, what makes you think I'm a dopp if they exist?
This is looking to me like Webadict just wants a lynch gone wrong. Maybe Webadict and RedWarrior0 should cross-vote, if anyone, because I feel strongly that one of the 2 is a dopp.
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webadict is Joker.
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And if everyone agrees there are, have Zaithemaster and RedWarrior0 lynch each other.
No, sorry. I believe dopps exist, but I'm not going to lynch anyone unless we're sure they're dopp.
If you believe Dopps exist, you will lynch someone if I tell you to. And you will like it.
Anyhow, I would like to point out that if Zaithemaster dies tonight, there are indeed Doppelgangers.
Also, if Doppelgangers exist, RedWarrior0 is a Doppelganger.
(Note to self: never mess with webadict in a mafia game)
Just out of curiosity, what makes you think I'm a dopp if they exist?
There are several reasons. One is simple intuition. The others are purely observational. Why do you think you're not a Dopp?
Oh really Mr.Person? You gonna play that game, are you?
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And if everyone agrees there are, have Zaithemaster and RedWarrior0 lynch each other.
No, sorry. I believe dopps exist, but I'm not going to lynch anyone unless we're sure they're dopp.
If you believe Dopps exist, you will lynch someone if I tell you to. And you will like it.
Anyhow, I would like to point out that if Zaithemaster dies tonight, there are indeed Doppelgangers.
Also, if Doppelgangers exist, RedWarrior0 is a Doppelganger.
(Note to self: never mess with webadict in a mafia game)
Just out of curiosity, what makes you think I'm a dopp if they exist?
There are several reasons. One is simple intuition. The others are purely observational. Why do you think you're not a Dopp?
Oh really Mr.Person? You gonna play that game, are you?
I KNOW I'm not a dopp because I've got a PM telling me I'm human
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Yah! Another role-claim. Let me write it down on my list.
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And if everyone agrees there are, have Zaithemaster and RedWarrior0 lynch each other.
No, sorry. I believe dopps exist, but I'm not going to lynch anyone unless we're sure they're dopp.
If you believe Dopps exist, you will lynch someone if I tell you to. And you will like it.
Anyhow, I would like to point out that if Zaithemaster dies tonight, there are indeed Doppelgangers.
Also, if Doppelgangers exist, RedWarrior0 is a Doppelganger.
(Note to self: never mess with webadict in a mafia game)
Just out of curiosity, what makes you think I'm a dopp if they exist?
There are several reasons. One is simple intuition. The others are purely observational. Why do you think you're not a Dopp?
Oh really Mr.Person? You gonna play that game, are you?
Quote tower!
So what, anybody who scum-hunts must be scum? Brilliant!
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webadict is Joker.
Exactly what I'm thinking.
And Web, how is it that if I die tonight, there are Dopps? If there aren't Dopps, then a random person is killed, which could be me. If there are Dopps, I don't see much of a reason for them to want to kill me, and now they'd have even less of a reason, as you just said that that would prove their existence, and that's exactly what they're trying to avoid.
But I do agree that if Dopps exist, RedWarrior is likely one of them.
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No Lynch=Mr.Person,
I'll leave this thread open before locking this thread tomorrow so as to let Night Roles send PMs over to me.
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webadict is Joker.
Exactly what I'm thinking.
And Web, how is it that if I die tonight, there are Dopps? If there aren't Dopps, then a random person is killed, which could be me. If there are Dopps, I don't see much of a reason for them to want to kill me, and now they'd have even less of a reason, as you just said that that would prove their existence, and that's exactly what they're trying to avoid.
But I do agree that if Dopps exist, RedWarrior is likely one of them.
Me? Joker? I think you guys are ridiculous. I'd simply claim some obscure third party. Maybe even politician, just to form a mob.
And Zaithemaster, it makes lots of sense. If you die tonight, then Dopps exist. Mostly because it ruins their chances of winning by killing you.
Anyhow, going off to bed.
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The town has decided to no lynch.
It is now NIGHT 1. Please send in your actions.
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You arrive to town the next day, and find that Mr.Person is not amongst you. You run into his house, only to find journals about Mr.Person's anger at the Town and his desire for revenge. You conclude that he is the Jester.
But what happened to Mr. Person?
It is now DAY 1.
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:P Woo!
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Well, I still think there's dopps. They FELL FOR WEBADICT'S TRAP. MUAHAH.
*ahem*
So, let me update my log.
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Well, I still think there's dopps. They FELL FOR WEBADICT'S TRAP. MUAHAH.
*ahem*
So, let me update my log.
I had no traps. This was simply luck.
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Ah, p'shaw. Modesty gets you no where.
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Of course, if there's no dopps, then we all lose. Unless...
Perhaps, Mr. Person, you are The Joker and TRYING to get an innocent lynched.
Guess who called it.
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Of course, if there's no dopps, then we all lose. Unless...
Perhaps, Mr. Person, you are The Joker and TRYING to get an innocent lynched.
Guess who called it.
Nice call. Unless, you know, you're a Dopp, in which case that's just a standard defense.
Check out this:
webadict is Joker.
Exactly what I'm thinking.
And Web, how is it that if I die tonight, there are Dopps? If there aren't Dopps, then a random person is killed, which could be me. If there are Dopps, I don't see much of a reason for them to want to kill me, and now they'd have even less of a reason, as you just said that that would prove their existence, and that's exactly what they're trying to avoid.
But I do agree that if Dopps exist, RedWarrior is likely one of them.
Wow. If I had died and shown up as the Jester, they'd think they're cool too.
The problem is, we're not looking for a Jester. We're figuring out if there are Doppelgangers.
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If there is dopps...I bet Pandarsenic and Org are two of them.
Right guys?
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Oh, I almost forgot. If Zai's claim is true, then there is no more third-parties.
The rest of us are either dopps or simple humans.
Should I show you guys my list? It might help.
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Let's see it.
And Servant, isn't it DAY 2?
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We started on Day 0. Heh.
Well here it is, I listed what everyone has claimed. If they didn't claim then I put nothing:
?-*Pandarsenic
T-*ToonyMan - Human
?-*webadict - Can't be joker now, right?
G-*Zaithmaster - Claims The Politican
?-*Org
G-*Mr.Person - Jester/Joker - DEAD - Disappeared Night 1
T-*Little - Claims Human
T-*RedWarrior0 - Claims Human
T-*NUKE9.13 - Says Not Dopp? That means claimed Human now.
I might as well come out and say that I am a simple human.
I want Org and Pandarsenic to talk more.
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Mr.Person should read "disappeared Night 0". Meh.
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I want Org and Pandarsenic to talk more.
True. They have maybe 4 posts among the two of them.
Let's hopefully find out the truth.
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Tru..tru..tru....TRUTH!
Yeah, anyway. I still say we no lynch. Lynching will get us killed. Like webadict said. You're not even really suppose to lynch in this game. The objective is to state if you think dopps are real or not on the third day.
I want to see if Org and Pandarsenic both live to the third day. Hee hee hee.
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Add to the list whether each person currently thinks they exist or not. That will let people know how many more they need to convince that dopps do/don't exist.
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Add to the list whether each person currently thinks they exist or not. That will let people know how many more they need to convince that dopps do/don't exist.
Ok. Let me read through the 8 pages and see. It'll take awhile.
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I'm back with finding that are.......interesting.
-*Pandarsenic - Nothing.
-*ToonyMan - I believe dopps exist.
-*webadict - Says that it's better to assume dopps don't exist, however, later on he talks about how "There's a statistically more likely chance Doppelgangers exist..." I bit after it. THEN, talks about it's impossible to win the game if there is dopps, except through luck and analysis. So he says TO NEVER LYNCH EVER.
-*Zaithmaster - Believes that dopps exist (could be his role that is causing this). Severant Corps makes a mistake though that almost proves that DOPPS DO INFACT EXIST, Zai points it out.
-*Org - Nothing.
-*Mr.Person - Says that he is going to assume dopps exist (probably so he can lynch a human and win :P).
-*Little - Nothing.
-*RedWarrior0 - Claims that Dopps exist, next post says he just wants to survive and the claim was just a shot in the dark. Later on says that he thinks dopps exist again.
-*NUKE9.13 - Nothing.
The color matches what their claim is, if they never claimed then it will remain white. If there is dopps, I am almost certain that they are Pandarsenic, Org, and webadict.
Here's a paraphrased version:
-*Pandarsenic - Nothing.
-*ToonyMan - Dopps Exist
-*webadict - Dopps don't exist?
-*Zaithmaster - Dopps Exist
-*Org - Nothing.
-*Mr.Person - Dopps Exist.
-*Little - Nothing.
-*RedWarrior0 - Dopps Exist.
-*NUKE9.13 - Nothing.
You could probably discount the third-parties.
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Wow, I'm like totally diving into this mafia game. That's a first. :p
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So if zai has conspiracy theorist goal at game end, he wins.
Also: I'm playing this mafia game. That's also a first.
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Wow, I'm like totally diving into this mafia game. That's a first. :p
No kidding.
And yes, I'm remaining with my stance that Dopps don't exist for now.
And I did claim Human...? I think. I dunno for sure. Anyhow, I am a Human.
And the chance of there being only Humans is this:
There are 9 players.
50% - 7 are Humans, 2 are PR
50% - 4 are Humans, 2 are PR, 3 are Dopps
That means there is a 77.7% chance of being a Human 50% of the time, and a 44.4% chance of being a Human the other 50% of the time. This means that if you are Human, it is... some percent more likely that there are only Humans. However, that's just statistics.
And no, you don't lynch in this game. It's a big no-no.
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The town debates endlessly, but agrees not to lynch. They return to their home, hoping to protect themselves.
It is now NIGHT 2.
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ToonyMan is not with you today. You take this chance to loot his house of all his valuables, with the excuse of finding out who he is.
You find out he is just a simple Human.
Day 3. LAST DAY.
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Bah.
Listen to what I've said before. Victory should be easy.
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Toony, your last post after you die should never give advice about the game. It's a 'bah' post, that's about it.
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Toony, your last post after you die should never give advice about the game. It's a 'bah' post, that's about it.
I didn't give any information away. I'll edit it if you really want me to.
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Bah.
Listen to what I've said before. Victory should be easy.
No, lynch incorrectly, lynch incorrectly!
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Who the heck kills ToonyMan?
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Use DOPPELGANGER on SELF.
You plunge the DOPPELGANGER into your chest.
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Hm... I haven't died and I was hoping I would've, because if I die, that would've meant there weren't Doppelgangers.
So, who thinks there are Doppelgangers? Quick count.
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I do believe there are dopps. For now.
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I think there are because of the mistake our wonderful GM made.
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I believe Dopps exist.
Too bad my vote doesn't count in the grand scheme of things. >,>
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To speed things up, all Humans private message me if Dopps exist or not. Humans, you know who you are.
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Are we allowed to change if we want?
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Yes.
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I'm still alive? I thought I was dead days ago. Lawl.
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Hmm, that must make Pandarsenic a Doppelganger...
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I've a hunch that webadict is a Doppelganger.
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Hmm, that must make Pandarsenic a Doppelganger...
...Why? I think I can see how you could get the idea that he is, but "must make"?
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Oh really? Then it wouldn't matter if I told everyone that there are Doppelgangers? Oh no! Hey everyone! I'm a Doppelganger! You should probably say there are Doppelgangers because I love to make myself intentionally lose. That's why I'm trying to see who believes in Doppelgangers. Because I plan to reveal myself and say others are Doppelgangers, in the off-chance that I somehow avoid losing by saying that someone else is a Doppelganger.
Sure. You know, just for fun, how about trying to convince us that Doppelgangers don't exist...?
Also, try thinking. That just further proves you're a Doppelganger.
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Oh really? Then it wouldn't matter if I told everyone that there are Doppelgangers? Oh no! Hey everyone! I'm a Doppelganger! You should probably say there are Doppelgangers because I love to make myself intentionally lose. That's why I'm trying to see who believes in Doppelgangers. Because I plan to reveal myself and say others are Doppelgangers, in the off-chance that I somehow avoid losing by saying that someone else is a Doppelganger.
Sure. You know, just for fun, how about trying to convince us that Doppelgangers don't exist...?
Also, try thinking. That just further proves you're a Doppelganger.
o.0
What. The. Fuck. Web. You're making little sense. Care to clarify?
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Oh really? Then it wouldn't matter if I told everyone that there are Doppelgangers? Oh no! Hey everyone! I'm a Doppelganger! You should probably say there are Doppelgangers because I love to make myself intentionally lose. That's why I'm trying to see who believes in Doppelgangers. Because I plan to reveal myself and say others are Doppelgangers, in the off-chance that I somehow avoid losing by saying that someone else is a Doppelganger.
Sure. You know, just for fun, how about trying to convince us that Doppelgangers don't exist...?
Also, try thinking. That just further proves you're a Doppelganger.
o.0
What. The. Fuck. Web. You're making little sense. Care to clarify?
I'm making plenty of sense. He's saying the fact I'm calling someone else a Doppelganger is somehow making me a Doppelganger. This is obviously stupid, since if I were a Doppelganger, I would try to make people believe there are NOT Doppelgangers. So, his defense is that I'm a Doppelganger because I called him a Doppelganger, which is counter intuitive, given the fact. The whole point is that there ARE Doppelgangers or there are NOT Doppelgangers.
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I'm making plenty of sense. He's saying the fact I'm calling someone else a Doppelganger is somehow making me a Doppelganger. This is obviously stupid, since if I were a Doppelganger, I would try to make people believe there are NOT Doppelgangers. So, his defense is that I'm a Doppelganger because I called him a Doppelganger, which is counter intuitive, given the fact. The whole point is that there ARE Doppelgangers or there are NOT Doppelgangers.
Ah. Sorry. I think I had confused myself.
I really need to stop posting at the end of long days. >,>
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Meh, I'll vote in thread, I suppose:
There are Doppelgangers.
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I have received 1 PM and 3 Public Votes. So, that means I have received 4 votes currently. Lurkers, are you going to vote too (either pubically or privately)?
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I have received 1 PM and 3 Public Votes. So, that means I have received 4 votes currently. Lurkers, are you going to vote too (either pubically or privately)?
...Um... doesn't that... reveal that there are in fact not Doppelgangers?
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...I chance my vote to: There are no Doppelgangers.
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Well, a Public Vote is just someone just saying that they are voting either for or against the existence of Doppelgangers.
I can distingush which Public Vote is true Public Votes and which ones are invalid (either becuase they are a Third-Party or because they are a doppelgnager). If doppelgangers exist (and I am not going to say if they exist or not exist until the end of the game), a doppelganger could make a Public Vote declaring Doppelgangers do not exist, and I would count it as a Public Vote, but ignore that vote, since it is only Votes by Humans that count.
I only came up with the concept of "Public Voting" because people want to vote in the thread and not via PMs. /me shrugs
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I vote for Dopplegangers Existing.
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I vote for Americans exist.
Because my vote counts.
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Dopps Exists
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The town has decided that Doppelgangers existed. With the help of Zaithmaster, the Town has formed the Maple Street Alliance, dedicated to exposing the truth and to defend the Street from the Doppelgangers that reside therein.
Meanwhile, webadict covertly fled to Main Street, where he finds out that the original rumors of doppelgangers existing were false. He has also found both ToonyMan and MrPerson alive and well, altough Mr.Person is currently under arrest. However, as he heard reports of the Maple Street Alliance forming, webadict refuses to return back home, for fear of being lynched.
Webadict, Human and Zaithmaster, The Politican, wins. Everyone else loses. There are no doppelgangers.
...Um... doesn't that... reveal that there are in fact not Doppelgangers?
Yes it did. Sorry.
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Cool! I was right and everyone else was wrong???
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Cool! I was right and everyone else was wrong???
Also, I'd like to say I was saying it right all along!
Even though technically, I lost, because the majority of Humans said there were Doppelgangers, I'm glad I made it out of there in the story!
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Webadict and I live happily ever after in some house in some place.
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Cool! I was right and everyone else was wrong???
This is your fault. You made me think you were one when you started acting like a schizophrenic.
Also, I pre-sign-up for any future rounds of this.
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Also, I pre-sign-up for any future rounds of this.
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Cool! I was right and everyone else was wrong???
This is your fault. You made me think you were one when you started acting like a schizophrenic.
Also, I pre-sign-up for any future rounds of this.
The fact that I explained the only reasoning for you calling me a Dopp after I called you one should've made you think that I was Human.
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What you said was mostly gibberish assuming a single post was the only reason I thought you were one.
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What you said was mostly gibberish assuming a single post was the only reason I thought you were one.
Why would a Doppelganger try to tell everyone there are Doppelgangers if there were Doppelgangers...?
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What you said was mostly gibberish assuming a single post was the only reason I thought you were one.
Why would a Doppelganger try to tell everyone there are Doppelgangers if there were Doppelgangers...?
Because, why would a Doppelganger try to tell everyone there are Doppelgangers if there were Doppelgangers? WIFOM.
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What you said was mostly gibberish assuming a single post was the only reason I thought you were one.
Why would a Doppelganger try to tell everyone there are Doppelgangers if there were Doppelgangers...?
Because, why would a Doppelganger try to tell everyone there are Doppelgangers if there were Doppelgangers? WIFOM.
Because there'd be absolutely no point trying to persuade you there are Doppelgangers if I were a Doppelganger...
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Except to make us think that you weren't a Doppelganger.
Also, I'm not joining DF Mafia until you're hosting it again, webby. I *told* Org I needed to know when day ended so I could switch my vote to Diakron, tie it, and buy myself time, but noooo.
e: That's "No, he refused to fucking tell me when the day was ending despite my repeated requests and PMs."
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Woo! I WIN! HELL YEAH!
I got the Conspiracy Theorist's goal everyday. Which allowed me to keep this promise true:
I shall join the conspiracy.
Regardless of whether I'm town, 3rd party, or Dopp, I will say and think that Dopps exist.
Also. My username is Zaithemaster, not Zaithmaster, SC. I should probably bother Toady or ThreeToe to get it shortened to Zai, to avoid this and other similar problems in the future. Too bad I'm too lazy.
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Also, I pre-sign-up for any future rounds of this.
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Also, I pre-sign-up for any future rounds of this.
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Except to make us think that you weren't a Doppelganger.
Also, I'm not joining DF Mafia until you're hosting it again, webby. I *told* Org I needed to know when day ended so I could switch my vote to Diakron, tie it, and buy myself time, but noooo.
e: That's "No, he refused to fucking tell me when the day was ending despite my repeated requests and PMs."
Got ya. Oh well, maybe I'll run one eventually.
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Man, I wish I hadn't of died. I would of voted to lynch on the last day, how would you guys have reacted to that?
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Except to make us think that you weren't a Doppelganger.
Also, I'm not joining DF Mafia until you're hosting it again, webby. I *told* Org I needed to know when day ended so I could switch my vote to Diakron, tie it, and buy myself time, but noooo.
e: That's "No, he refused to fucking tell me when the day was ending despite my repeated requests and PMs."
Got ya. Oh well, maybe I'll run one eventually.
GET RID OF DUKE PLEASE BECAUSE I KNOW I WOULD GET IT SOMEHOW.
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Man, I wish I hadn't of died. I would of voted to lynch on the last day, how would you guys have reacted to that?
I'd see what would've happened, and continued to verbally harass you.