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Title: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 19, 2008, 03:23:37 pm
Right now, I finally downloaded the latest version of LCS and has already begun my crusade to turn the US into L+ without killing anybody. I will plan on doing this by using sleepers. My main hope is to ensure that the CCS will never ever come into being. :P

Sleepers currently aquirred:
*One Judge (Begining of the game, located in Courthouse)
Ineffective

*One Janitor (converted by...'Coerced Dating' [dating followed by kidnapping], located in Auto Factory)
Respected

Sadly, I haven't stolen any goods to sell to buy weapons to assist in kidnapping, because I do not know how to break Conservative Doors (and I need money to buy crowbars). I will try to go to some Radio Station/TV Station though, maybe I'll find stuff over there.

Right now, both sleepers are Spouting Conservatism in order to help inflirate conservative society. If they are high, I hope that I can easily use these Sleepers to funnel money to the organization, steal important documents, or start converting society, but for now, I decide I'll let society turn from M to C. My main fear is that with this new Infliration system, it means that my Sleepers are more likely to get caught if I start spouting Liberalism, and I don't want that to happen, especially since people who get caught will likely enough testify against you when you get arrested. (If however, that doesn't happen, I'll set them to just spouting Liberalism, waiting for a potential news story about the evils of conservaitism is not worth doing the CCS' work for them.)

[That being said, if I never get caught committing any crime...I may never have to worry about former LCS Sleepers testifying against me...so I could send them their doom...]

There is still the problem of me not having a weapon (I only got $7), so should I start recruiting Hippies and send them off to do some "Fundraising" and other recruitment?

...Oh yeah, and if you want to become a Liberal, tell me what you position you want, and I'll rename you. No pictures though.

EDIT: Oh god, I just realized Sleepers can go and launder money over to LCS. That's pretty useful, though it leads to the question of how long will it take for such money to be sent over, and how quickly that will decrease Infliration.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, An "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: E. Albright on November 19, 2008, 04:23:41 pm
This is definitely doable. I managed to win a bloodless victory in... um... 3.14? 3.15? One of the "unwinnable" releases; it took forever for the senate to flip. I concur that a key point is never inciting Conservatives into breaking out the CCS. That's almost certain doom.

My tact wasn't even sleepers; it was pure pure propaganda. We never committed a crime more serious than tagging, though we did do a lot of that. By the time we finished, we were utterly filthy rich from high-skill, high-output Liberal Artists hocking their wares.

Hmm... by what you say this should be a lot easier now than it was then. I may need to give the bloodless route another spin.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, An "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on November 19, 2008, 04:26:52 pm
Game mechanics blathering:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I vote for Hippies and Fundraising!
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, An "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 19, 2008, 05:30:39 pm
New LCS Recruits:
*4 Hippies
*1 Brainwashed College Students (with writing skills)

New LCS Sleepers:
*Securtiy Guard, AM Radio Station
*Secertary, News Station
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"The Diary From The Future President of the United States of America, Who Served As An Liberal Activist To Protest The Unjust Conservative Regime":

Recruited the Hippies today, but there seems to be a little bit of a problem.

The Hippes aren't very great at doing legal fundraising. They can't get people to donate money to the LCS at all. I don't know why, I really thought screaming, "DONATE NOW!" in front of the Regan Gentlemen's Club would be a great idea, but the money isn't flowing in. I only got $10.

One of the Hippes desire to be an artist, but it cost money to make paintings, so we'd be operating at a loss for some time, and even if we wanted to, we can't afford the art supplies anyway, so that was pointless. There is a possiblity we could just switch over to selling brownies instead, but I believe that would cost money to make the brownies, so we'd just be in the same boat.

The good news is that the College Student that I manage to brainwash convert, he's very good at persuasion. I sent him to do some Civil Disobidence to get his juice up so that when he's finished, he'd be more than willing to raise money for the LCS. That should get us at least a head start in raising money for forming an Art Industry.
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EDIT: It's the begining of Feburary 2007, and here's the status of Sleepers:
1) Judge, Court House, Respected
2) Janitor, Auto Plant, Respected
3) Security Guard, Radio Station, Respected
4) Secretary, News Station, Respected

Hopefully, these people will reach 100% infliration before the end of 2007, so that I can start rolling back the Conservative outreach I orignally have done.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, An "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on November 19, 2008, 06:08:27 pm
I'd ask that you recruit an engineer with high science skill who'd be trained in stealth and assigned to push the big red button, but it looks like you're not going to be doing any button pushing, which is a shame.  But the CSS might sprout despite your best efforts, so how about recruiting an engineer anyway just in case you want to push the big red button anyway.  Name him "Gibby the Fox" if you'd be so kind.  In the meantime he can hang around the shelter posting mean comments on conservative forums.  It's probably what I'll be doing with my life in a few years anyway.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, An "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Karlito on November 19, 2008, 06:15:57 pm
An Community Squad?
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, An "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Aqizzar on November 19, 2008, 06:18:24 pm
Get some Radio Personalities.  You want them as soon as possible.

By Technical Pacifist, does that mean you will attack people, but try not to kill them?  Probably going to want some hand-to-hand or melee heavy people, but don't use swords.

Also- Servant Corps!  So, you've been hiding out with these liberal scum?
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on November 19, 2008, 06:19:32 pm
Nah, he was a sleeper for us all along.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 19, 2008, 06:25:44 pm
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I'd ask that you recruit an engineer with high science skill who'd be trained in stealth and assigned to push the big red button, but it looks like you're not going to be doing any button pushing, which is a shame ...

I was led to believe that if you press the button and cause a meltdown, the nuclear power plant will shut down, and not actually explode, killing people. If this is true, you aren't really killing anybody, just exposing a major security flaw that could encourage society to not use nuclear power. Sorta like...uber-"civil disobidence".

The problem is that I fear that the more crimes you commit, the more likely the CCS will reveal. If I get an engineer to post mean comments, that would help to counter all the Sleepers I have that are spouting conservativsm, but those mean comments might cause the CCS to be formed in the first place.

I did do a bit of CD to boost up juice, but I don't think CD would cause the CCS.

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By Technical Pacifist, does that mean you will attack people, but try not to kill them?

Oh yeah, I forgot. Nah, I'm not sure if I will actually attack people at all. I'm still keeping it at Technical Pacifism, because who knows what could happen...

The problem is that my interrogation method actually does fly into the 'real pacifist' camp. I'm doing the "goody-cop" method, which requires starving and dehydraditing a person for two days, give them food and water, then starve them for another two days, and repeat.

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Nah, he was a sleeper for us all along.

Actually, I'm an CCS Sleeper disguised as an LCS Sleeper, and currently being bribed by the MCS. Long story.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on November 19, 2008, 06:29:50 pm
Yeah, nuclear terrorism is a front page story which will definately cause the CSS to sprout.  But I don't think mean comments can, because mean comments don't produce news stories.  I'm almost certain you need to be in the newspaper at least once before the CSS appears.

Alternatively, Gibby could play the role of bad cop most of the time, and be the good cop when you're trying to flip scientists.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 19, 2008, 08:54:30 pm
Okay, the first new batch of new laws are being passed. Congress voted to limit animal cruelty and protect the unborn and rejected a law to reward industry. President Hans signed the bill voting to protect the unborn, and vetoed the bill on animal cruelty.

EDIT: Complete failure. I kidnapped an radio host and failed to brainwash him in time. Front page, in big BOLD colors: "Radio Host Kidnapped!" This is not good. At all. The more news articles I get, the more likely the CCS will arrive...altough at least the LCS isn't in the news, just two kidnappings (a College Student and a Radio Host).

EDIT: And now an 'Hanging Judge' was revealed to be kidnapped too...
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: beorn080 on November 19, 2008, 09:21:31 pm
Having not looked at the code, I believe the CCS is only triggered if you get an article saying the LCS breaks onto the scene. The first one of those you get triggers the CCS.  It may be a month or two until you see the CCS but thats when it starts.

If the security guard has a gun you may want to have him join the LCS so you can get a gun real quick.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 19, 2008, 11:20:00 pm
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Sleeper Update:
---Judge, Court House: Known Conservative
---Janitor, Auto Plant: Known Conservative
---2 Security Guards, Radio Station: Known Conservative
---Seceratary, AM Station: Known Conservative
---Lawyer, Court House: Known Conservative
---Radio Personality, just recruited, AM Station: Stalwart Arch-Conservative

Yes!

Other news:
*2 Radio Personalities, 2 Corporate Managers are members of the LCS.
*Gippy the Fox has found his dream job: Trolling.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Cheeetar on November 19, 2008, 11:57:30 pm
Buy a newspaper and set a whole crew of people spreading the liberal word.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on November 20, 2008, 12:18:18 am
Gippy?  Sounds like Gipper...
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Squeegy on November 20, 2008, 12:29:39 am
Squeegy the Merciless here, signing on to be your main interrogator!
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 20, 2008, 09:36:40 am
You get one better, Squeegy.

(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7393/founderca0.jpg)

You get to be my Founder as well. (Your interrogation score is 6.36)
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on November 20, 2008, 01:24:48 pm
Not tiny image is not tiny.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Rezan on November 20, 2008, 01:52:09 pm
Lies!
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Karlito on November 20, 2008, 05:50:47 pm
Just remove the .th from the url of the image for now
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: EuchreJack on November 20, 2008, 10:23:50 pm
Sadly, I haven't stolen any goods to sell to buy weapons to assist in kidnapping, because I do not know how to break Conservative Doors (and I need money to buy crowbars). I will try to go to some Radio Station/TV Station though, maybe I'll find stuff over there.

There's a much better way to both keep with your sleeper path and earn money, without breaking and entering!

Just let the sleepers steal for you!  Should be an option along with the embezzlement. 

Also, Liberalize Me!  Name's EuchreJack, but you can modify that as you see fit.  Please, let me steal for you!  Those Conservative swine have enough!

By the way, did you know you could recruit sleepers directly, without hostage-taking?  Should be an option when your recruit the person.  Of course, they usually start out as Liberal or Ineffective (as they wouldn't join you otherwise), but how deep do you have to be in order to steal some office supplies?
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: beorn080 on November 20, 2008, 10:35:45 pm
If your a known liberal and attempt to steal, your liable to get caught.  Still calling a security guard out of sleeping and taking his gun would be a quick way to get one.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 20, 2008, 11:13:52 pm
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By the way, did you know you could recruit sleepers directly, without hostage-taking?

Yes, I know that, but it takes up one of your recruiment slots, and I prefer to fill them with people who can directly aid the LCS. The only benieft to recruiting sleepers directly so that you can expand your sleeper network. I got a free Judge sleeper who will be set to doing that once he reaches Arch-Conservative.

Also, I seem to be doing fine on the Money Front, but that's because my LCS doesn't really spend money on much (buying weapons, ammo, disguses, etc. can really add up). I did establish a Liberal Guardian, and sent some journalists over there, so I could use some money to feed those journalists. What might be more useful though is stealing documents from the Conservatives, to reveal around November 2007...

I'll liberalize one of the Corporate Managers I see running around (while trying, for a very long time, to find some Radio Personality that I can kidnap). They should already be at "Trusted Conservative" level. I'll check to see if he can steal office supplies.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on November 21, 2008, 12:53:57 am
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By the way, did you know you could recruit sleepers directly, without hostage-taking?

Yes, I know that, but it takes up one of your recruiment slots, and I prefer to fill them with people who can directly aid the LCS. The only benieft to recruiting sleepers directly so that you can expand your sleeper network. I got a free Judge sleeper who will be set to doing that once he reaches Arch-Conservative.

Additional point, conservatives converted through brainwashing will retain their old infiltration level, while seduced conservatives will have much reduced infiltration, and moderates and liberals have weak infiltration in general.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 21, 2008, 09:06:05 pm
Gah, I forgot to Liberalize a Corporate Manager for you, EuchreJack, I will do so now, right after I make the "State of the Liberal Crime Squad" speech.

Ahem. August 4th, 2007.

1) Gibby the Fox has knocked out several News sites in the past months. Good job Gibby. You earn a gold star.

2)
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Supreme Court Time
*Enhance Labor Standards---Rejected, 7-2
*Protect Free Speech----Rejected, 5-4
*Limit Animal Cruelty---Rejected, 5-4
*Punish Polluters---Rejected, 5-4
*Expand Homosexual Rights---Rejected , 8-1
*Stop Harrassment of Police Officers, SUPPORTED, 5-4

Presumably, this is due to my sleepers. Had I set them all to Support Liberalism, maybe...just maybe, I would have swung one of the Conservatives to vote Liberal. Oh well.

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CHANGING OF THE GUARD:
Justice Jaqueline Bump, Moderate, is stepping down.
The Honorable Monica Washignton, Conservative, is appointed to the bench!

Never going to happen now.

3) Converted an TV Anchorman and the Cigar Bar's Bouncer, turned them into Sleeper.

4) Squeegy got his juice up to 20 by conducting Civil Disobidence. Squeegy also got 5 extra Juice for kidnapping the Cigar Bar's Bouncer outright (rather than dating and kidnapping). Squeegy got an Katana to assist in kidnapping and a Cheap Suit to assist in the arts of sneaking around in the Ciga Bar.

5) Squeegy had some problems with interrogating an Police Gang Unit. The Police didn't know one of their elites was gone until 14 days had past, while Squeegy got endlessly tortured when the Police Gang Unit played mind gangs. Even when the Unit began to crack, it still mentioned about what our Liberal mothers would have felt. The Unit did finally get converted, but not in time to be a Sleeper.

The reason he didn't break as easily as the others was because he got 2.0 Interrogation Skill. I decide that, for whatever lame reason, I'm going to create a new Conversion Squad. One of the Hippes will stop Fundraising and instead date and kidnap Conservatives. Then the Police Gang Unit will come in turn those people into Sleepers. This should assist in getting me as many sleepers as possible.

Question: Most of the Sleepers are at Trusted, but a few are still at Known. All except for the Radio Personality is set to promoting Conservativism, including the Bouncer and the Janitors, etc. When would be a good time to stop Promoting Conservativsm and send them to Promoting Liberalism. Currently, I am following a policy of waiting until they reach Arch-Conservative and then setting them loose to promote Liberalism, but that may take a long time, and I am still afraid of doing the CCS' work for them. Plus, Plebsctice Season is coming up.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: beorn080 on November 21, 2008, 09:24:32 pm
Sleepers seem to work on a month to month basis. I would wait till september to change them over to liberalism for 2 months then back to conservatism. If any of them has leadership keep em conservative till they are arch conservative then recruit sleepers with them.

Interrogation seems extremely hard to overcome without torture. My high heart high charisma and int founder with 9+ interrogation has tons of trouble with anyone who has any interrogation skill.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 21, 2008, 10:19:49 pm
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If any of them has leadership keep em conservative till they are arch conservative then recruit sleepers with them.

All the people other than the Judge I have are brainwashed, making them impossible to recruit.

Also, some other To-Do notes:
1) I may need to steal a car so I can reach the Conservative HQ and kidnap CEOes. What people are good at stealing cars?
2) I have problems with kidnapping police officers. They seem to resist by punching me and sending me to jail. Even equipping an Sword causes the Police Officer to still punch me, forcing me to reload. Should I abandon trying to convert Police Officers?
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: EuchreJack on November 21, 2008, 10:31:20 pm
1: Driving ability helps evade the cops if they catch you as you leave with the car, and security help steal the car.  You can train security easily, but driving requires a car, catch-22.

Sometimes, Hippies, transients, and others have driving.  Taxi Drivers always will have driving skill.  I think there's a garbage guy which also usually has driving skill.  Usually, taxi drivers can be found at the appartments.

2: Yeah, I remember hearing they resist more during dates than other people.  Still, the odds with an armed liberal are about 50/50 of getting arrested, so just keep at it.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on November 21, 2008, 10:40:07 pm
My suggestions would be:

Sleepers.
1) Promoting liberalism is most effective when infiltration is as high as possible.
2) Promoting liberalism damages their infiltration least if you get infiltration high before starting.
3) Laying low will increase their infiltration without damaging the issues, but it'll come at a slower rate.
4) Some characters, like janitors and fast food workers, don't have much ability to affect the issues even at max infiltration.

Good person for stealing a car.
1) Security to quickly pick the door lock and hotwire the car.
2) Agility and health to run fast if caught.

Or, use somebody totally expendable, give them a crowbar or something, and have them smash out windows and look for keys.

Kidnapping Police, CCS, Agents, etc..
1) Use somebody expendable -- there's no truly safe way to do this.
2) Bring a gun. A sword or other melee weapon is a minimum, but a gun is ideal.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on November 21, 2008, 10:50:43 pm
You don't really need driving skill to steal a car.  The odds of the cops showing up just as you're leaving are pretty small.  If they do, you can just bail out and try the next day.  Agility is important for running away however.

If you want an uber interrogator to train those who know interrogation, train your interrogators up in science and religion by having them interrogate some techs/priests.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 22, 2008, 01:04:02 am
Speaking of priests, where can I find them?
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on November 22, 2008, 03:06:50 am
Try the court house and police station maybe?  If you're really sneaky you could find them at a CSS base, but you shouldn't be having any of those appear.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Akroma on November 23, 2008, 03:52:20 am
if this spot is still open, I claim a writer, and vote for fundraising to get the liberal guardian going
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on November 23, 2008, 04:52:44 am
Seeing as we're trying to stay out of the news, the liberal guardian probably isn't much use to us until there's conservative secrets to publish.  Stealing conservative secrets always generates a front page story so we'll need either hackers or sleepers.  My vote is for hackers because one hacker can generate all the news you'll need without ruining the cover of any sleepers.  And, seeing as you don't have any heat to speak of, your hacker probably won't get arrested in the first place. 
I'd prefer you got someone other then Gibby to be said hacker, Gibby is a simple denzien of the internet, content with generating the lulz.  Hacking is game for bigger trolls then he.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on November 23, 2008, 05:27:14 am
Grab a programmer and task them to write a dynamically-generated hierarchical pathfinding optimization for Dwarf Fortress based on waypoints at the outside corners of walls in player-altered terrain before graduating to hacking corporate secrets?
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: viskaslietuvai on November 23, 2008, 10:55:52 am
Grab a programmer and task them to write a dynamically-generated hierarchical pathfinding optimization for Dwarf Fortress based on waypoints at the outside corners of walls in player-altered terrain before graduating to hacking corporate secrets?

Seconded!
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on November 23, 2008, 02:54:42 pm
I don't even know what to say.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Yanlin on November 25, 2008, 12:01:13 pm
Grab a programmer and task them to write a dynamically-generated hierarchical pathfinding optimization for Dwarf Fortress based on waypoints at the outside corners of walls in player-altered terrain before graduating to hacking corporate secrets?

Seconded!

Thirded!
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on November 25, 2008, 04:14:20 pm
---Since I don't know much about DF, I am tasking that job to Johnathan S. Fox. You've been recruited in, welcome.
---Sleeper EucrheFox just leaked some Corporate documents over to me. The Liberal Guardian is going to have a nice time tonight.
---It's September now. Election season is around the corner, so changing all Sleepers to Preaching Liberalism (except for the Judge, he'll stay Conservative until he's reach Arch-Conservative, so I can recruit more people). Recruited an Actor as well.

(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5752/congressrv9.jpg)

That must be one powerful Radio Personality.

EDIT2:
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"This is breaking news from AM Radio news: On September 1st 2007, 4 Corporate Managers, 3 Lawyers, 1 Cable Anchorman, and 1 Actor signed a petition calling for the Conservative President to be impeached for abandoning Arch-Conservative thinking, when he vetoed two bills that would have defended Conservativism.

The leader of the intiviate, Carlos Sawyer, said, "We have tried secret backchannels to alert the President, but he has refused to budge from his position. We need to have safeguards on nuclear technology, to ensure that these technologies do not fall into the wrong hands. We need to cloose loopholes that allow for rogue secret agencies to spy on mega-corporations, thereby harming our profits and bottom lines. The President has refused to do such a thing. We were willing to compromise, but he wouldn't budge."

Conservative bloggers are hard on work discussing and dissecting this new information. Defenders of the Veto point out that many Conservative politicans have also voted against the two Bills as well, and that the President has signed a Conservative Bill exempting corporate executives from the death penatly. A few bloggers even quoted the Consitution in stating that the President may only be impeached if he committed a fenoly or high misdemenor, not because people hate him. The President himself stated that he has vetoed the two bills because he felt that existing regulations needed to be enforced more.

The Conservative Party may have been splintered for the time being, giving the Liberal Party a much needed chance at a rebound."
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on December 21, 2008, 05:46:26 pm
In no particular order...it seems I have a less and less effective pacifist LCS every day (because I'm setting everybody to persuade, even after the 2007 proposals). Only the 2008 election will prove if I actually am doing something important in swaying society. If not...um...well...

First of all, some generic news stories. Radition has been proven to increase test scores, childern in Texas are crying that their favorite wizard got killed, a bright Liberal guest on a Cable News Station finished a sentence, two nuclear power plants melted down, and a radioactive bunny killed 30 people in LA. I would post the images for these stories, but they are quite boring stuff.

The 2007 election was a great disappointment. It seems there was massive election fraud.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/ioojdv.jpg)

98% Yes? Did I somehow mixed up LCS up with Batah Crime Squad?

Anyway, there seems to be a problem. Remember when I stated that I turned Congress 'Moderate'. Well, it turns out to be the main problem. Congress is hijacked by the Radical Moderates...and they're going to attempt to turn society into a Moderate dystopia! The horrors!

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2myxf9z.jpg)

This would explain why they wanted to limit the Death Penatly, Enhance Privacy Standards, and Limit Nuclear Power in the last congressional session, while supporting the sancity of marriage. The Death Penatly, Privacy, and Nuclear Power were all at C, and Gay Rights were at L. The Moderates desired to turn society Moderate, and so proposed the Law Changes. Hans, the President, only supports the Radical Moderates when they propose a Conservative shift, except in the case of limiting the Death Penalty.

So, Corporate Regulations, back at M again. I hope they don't the thorny issue of gay rights in the second 2008 Congress Session, or they would basically be rolling back both propostions. The Radical Moderates lost on the gun control issue anyway.

Supreme Court Watch brought me this:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/bf2pet.jpg)

You can almost hear me breathe a sign of relief. The last thing I want to do is see everybody armed with guns walking around and then punching me with said guns when I ask them out on a date.
***
My first Sleeper Judge has finally became Arch-Conservative, so I sent him recruiting. And, alas, he lost his Arch-Conservative status, but he gained a lawyer. I'm going to wait until he recruits a second guy before I set him to promote Liberalism.

All sleepers are sent to promote liberalism, which I guess may be bad, but it's only because this is an election year, and I guess I really want to finally kick those Radical Moderates out of Congress.

Two news stories published:
*March: I run the story featuring Corporate files describing an intricate tax scheme, riling up Corporations!
*I accidentlly leaked a story featuring cable news memo about a false scandal about a Liberal figure. This angers the Conservative masses.

Johnatan S. Fox has stole Corporate files and Cable News memos. He also broke into the CIA's secret databse twice! Thanks John!

And lastly, on a more serious note, more and more of my men are being arrested and sent to trial, after being sent to Cause Trouble. This is how it usually goes:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/15eu7g7.jpg)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/10drsdv.jpg)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2aam169.jpg)

Noel was charged with one count of kidnapping and found not guilty. After, I sent her to seduce a couple of people, and turn them into Love Slaves, altough I sent her to do some date/kidnap on Conservatives. Now, I usually leave her on Causing Trouble, but then there does seem to be a problem. She got beaten up by a mob and got her spine broken, forcing her to get a wheelchair. She got arrested again, on charges of assault, and then got aquitted. Now, she's in prison again.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Aqizzar on December 21, 2008, 06:53:07 pm
Cool to see you're still going.  I like seeing other people's strategies, since I never have any idea what to do.

If you get a sleeper news anchor or radio personality could you name them after me?
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on December 21, 2008, 11:38:36 pm
There needs to be a wheelchair bonus to defend against charges of violent crime in court.

"My client, that lovely young lady in the wheelchair right there, is charged, despite being in a wheelchair, of, while in a wheelchair, of assaulting a perfectly healthy grown man who has the full use of both of his legs.  I will demonstrate... blah blah legalese.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Rezan on December 22, 2008, 05:41:34 am
I second that, Mainiac. Only makes sense.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: chaoticag on December 22, 2008, 08:02:24 am
I never seem to be able to get this sort of progress on my games... I should stop trying to train my founder into an elite liberal ninja.

Edit: on second thought, I want to be an elite liberal safe-cracking, red button pushing ninja.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: EuchreJack on December 22, 2008, 12:07:24 pm
Whenever you put such pressure on one man/woman/transgender individual, the chance of failure is high.

Instead, recruit an athlete/professional thief, and make them the elite liberal safe-cracking, red button pushing ninja.  Then, when they die (and they always die sometime), you can go out and recruit another one, instead of staring at the GAME OVER screen.

Remember, as long as the LCS is alive, it can win!
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on December 22, 2008, 12:10:25 pm
Also, you might want a ninja fan club, with some backup people at 100 juice ready to take lead of the LCS in case your Founder dies of a heart attack. That way, you can still continue to recruit, for a long, long time.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on December 22, 2008, 01:05:00 pm
Also, you might want a ninja fan club, with some backup people at 100 juice ready to take lead of the LCS in case your Founder dies of a heart attack. That way, you can still continue to recruit, for a long, long time.

And considering that graffiti during a raid counts as a crime (and 20 graffiti counts as 20 crimes), it doesn't take too long to get six people with 100 juice.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: chaoticag on December 22, 2008, 02:14:00 pm
I thought there was a juice cap on grafiti... Don't you need rediculous art skill to get that much juice? Plus you'll also need street sense and stuff.

Yes, I can tell that Elite liberal theives have a short life span, and I am looking for one that isn't going to be my founder. Plus, he needs psychology as you need a high science skill to push the big red button.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: beorn080 on December 22, 2008, 02:51:23 pm
There is a juice cap on the activation graffiti. The graffiti you spray with a can at sites is considered a crime and thus worth one point of juice up to 20. Killing a standard conservative is 10 points of crime and worth 10 juice up to 20 a run. Killing a big time conservative is 40  points of crime but only worth 20 juice. So the fastest real time method of juice increase is 6 man squads killing the bouncer every day. In 100 days you will get 1000 juice and 100 murder charges so you may want to turn yourself in sometime in there.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on December 22, 2008, 07:05:41 pm
A Satanist serial killer was arrested in Baton Rouge, LA, and the people there are aiming for the death penatly. A Conservative judge resigns because of an affair with a prositute.

The Liberal Guardian highlighted Corporate misrule, talking about sweatshops in foriegn countries and the continued existance of the "Homo-Workers" list. They also drew attention to Cable News bias, showcasing memos talking about two attempts to drum up a scandal against a Liberal politican, and revealing a memo telling that Cable News is the "vanguard of Conservative thought". Since I got no guns, and this is the Pacifist crime squad, a raid by hicks would easily destroy the LCS.

Johnatan S. Fox has been finding tons of Cable News Memos, while EuchreJack has been busy rebuilding his infliration after losing lots of trust, so that he can more effectively steal Corporate memos.

Noel was found not guilty of assault and let out of prison. She got out and attempted to kidnap a College Student who escaped. The College Student told the police, and Noel was arrested again while fundraising. She was found not guilty in November of those charges, but it turns out the jury is now only 'fairly Liberal' instead of 'flaming Liberal'. So that's what, 4 times she's got arrested?

I wasted lots of time due to looking around for sleepers inside of the

Due to the closeness of the election, all people were set to Promoting Liberalism, except for EuchreJack.
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It seems that the Conservatives has attempted to get their agenda onto the table, but were rejected. However the Flag Burning ban is highly supported by the Radical Moderates, since Flag Burning Laws were liberal. Oh well.

I did some polls somewhere during the summer, before this second Congressional session was passed.

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The society has Moderate views on pollution and death penatly, thanks to the associated news stories (pollution is good for you, the satanic Serial Killer). There is no sleeper that can directly affect Pollution issues, so it looks like I had to rely on Sleepers to change that. Because the death penatly is the most important of the issues in the Presidental election, it appeared that the Liberal Party would likely lose the Presidental election, and the Conservative Party will win by nominating a Moderate.

A few days before November, I did another set of polls.

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I stupidly forgot to save the second page of polls, but I believe all issues there were liberal, around 99% were saw Cable News Station as biased, and that was high priority.

Pollution is still moderate, but the death penatly is now at liberal, securing the Liberal Party victory.

How much victory?
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The House Before November:
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The House After November:
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The State of the Union, After November 2008:
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Our ally: The President, the People, the House
The Enemy: The Radical Moderates in the Senate, the Supreme Court

I'm going to run some numbers and take a look at how the game begins in order to do a quick summary of how the Laws actually changed since Janurary 2007.

EDIT: Hey guys, how do you copy and paste text inside of LCS? Taking pictures and uploading them is tiring, and I like to show the character sheets of Aqizzar and Akroma.

EDIT2: The country at the begining of the game, Janurary 2007.

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So the Radical Moderates has always controlled congress, even at the begining of 2007! Strange, I always assumed all branches of government were controlled by the Conservatives, at least in the verry old version of LCS I played in the past.

Abortion: Moved from L to M. -1
Animal Research: Moved from C to M. +1
Law Enforcement Regulation: Stayed the same. +0
Privacy Laws: Moved from C to M. +1
Death Penatly: Moved from C to M. +1
Nuclear Power: Moved from C to M. +1
Pollution legalistation: Stayed the Same. +0
Workers' Rights: Stayed the Same. +0
Homosexual Rights: Stayed the Same. +0
Flag Burning: Moved from L to M. -1
Gun Control: Stayed the same. +0
Taxes: Stayed the Same. +0

Since there are a total of 5 different positions (C+, C, M, L, L+) that a law can take, there are 60 different law positions that could exist at any given time. 4 laws have moved more Liberal, but 2 laws have moved more Conservative, stating that only 2 laws have really moved more Liberal. The country has moved only 2/60 points towards liberalism, or 3.33%.

Most of the 'progress' is in fact trying to roll back Conservative gains during Hans' rule. For example, Hans signed a law restricting gay rights. Then the people passed a law to roll that back. The people passed a law trying to increase workers' rights, but the Radical Moderates overturned that, so everything returns back to normal.

Still, Hans must really hate the death penatly, because he signed a bill allowing for its regulation, even when only 51 people voted for it. It's really werid. (In a previous game I played, the Conservative President had a soft spot for animals and signed a bill for regulation of animal research...) It is likely Hans was affected by popular opinion, but then it wouldn't explain why he still was adamant about other forms of Moderations.

EDIT 3: Er. Sorry Aqizzar. I can assure you I spelt your name correctly inside the game though.

There's really only 6 Conservative judges on the Court, because one Moderate Judge retired back in 2007. For the most part, I'd be content if the Judges merely vote for the Status Quo, whatever it is, and let the People change the laws slowly towards Liberalism.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Aqizzar on December 22, 2008, 07:18:03 pm
Wow, you're actually winning, except President Hans managed to pack the Supreme Court with Conservatives before he left.  For pollution, maybe you can try trashing some factories?  Still Technically Pacifist if you don't hurt anybody!

EDIT: Hey guys, how do you copy and paste text inside of LCS?

I don't think there's an actual way to, since it's not exactly a text program.  Be good to know if there is.

Azquiarr

Jesus H. Christ man.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: beorn080 on December 22, 2008, 11:39:25 pm
The politicians start at a conservative stance. The nation itself starts at dead moderate which means conservative ideals go liberal and vice versa to please the main stream. Its why gun control goes moderate so often in the first few law changing events.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on December 23, 2008, 12:33:41 am
He can't raid factories.  That would activate the CSS who he can't fight while being a pacifist.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: EuchreJack on December 23, 2008, 12:44:36 am
Just get a factory worker as a sleeper.  That should affect the pollution issue.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on December 23, 2008, 12:46:28 am
In the code, there are no sleepers that affect Pollution. Factory Workers (and many other sleepers) only make the LCS more popular, and the LCS' popularity can sway the general population to be liberal on certain issues, like Pollution. But this is a general, roundabout method, and it's far more effective to use cultrual sleepers to directly affect all issues.

EDIT: It may be possible to raid factories, if and only if you don't attract media attention. I influenced the jury several times and the media didn't care. But once I get in the front pages, you can kiss my squad goodbye.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: EuchreJack on December 23, 2008, 12:54:14 am
Actually, you can do quite a bit before the CCS activates.

You can probably get away with killing about 20 people before the CCS activates, give or take, depending on how many die per site action, what else you're doing, and the frequency of the fatalities.

I'm certain you can make a few headlines before the CCS shows.  Just don't kill anybody.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on December 23, 2008, 01:11:37 am
Actually, you can do quite a bit before the CCS activates.

You can probably get away with killing about 20 people before the CCS activates, give or take, depending on how many die per site action, what else you're doing, and the frequency of the fatalities.

I'm certain you can make a few headlines before the CCS shows.  Just don't kill anybody.

Make the very last page of the newspaper one single time and the CCS will show.  It just doesn't show right away, it takes time for them to get organized.

It's possible, if you are sneaky, to bust up factory equipment without a newspaper article, but I don't know if that affects pollution at all without the story.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Ryan1711 on December 23, 2008, 05:35:34 pm
I apologise if this has been said in the last half of this thread (I read the first two pages concerning money problems, couldn't be bothered to read more...yet had to make sure this was said).

Right, if you want legal + easy money...just ask for cash donations. Get your founder (or somebody who needs high persuasion) to go to the Vegan Co-Op and talk about the issues to every green character for 2-3 minutes. On all of them, casually talk about politics (the free one) untill they are ready to fight...and they will provide you with masses if you get like 20-30 of them.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on December 23, 2008, 05:47:11 pm
There's one problem.

I got $6,000 already. I make $100 a month. I don't need any more money. I'm too loaded.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: E. Albright on December 24, 2008, 09:13:38 am
EDIT: Hey guys, how do you copy and paste text inside of LCS? Taking pictures and uploading them is tiring, and I like to show the character sheets of Aqizzar and Akroma.

Is that Windows you're playing under? I don't recognize the UI style of the frame, but I suppose it could be something custom or (<shudder>) Vista.

In XP (and one would hope Vista), you can copy from inside a terminal program like LCS by right-clicking on the taskbar-thingy at the top of the window (in your case where the "C:\Users\etc." appears). This opens a menu giving a variety of selections, as well as the "Edit" submenu. Under "Edit", select "Mark". At this point, left-click on a likely spot on the LCS screen, and drag the held-down button to select a rectangle of text. To copy it to the Clipboard, simply right-click anywhere in the LCS window.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: chaoticag on December 24, 2008, 11:02:22 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Works for Vista, its the exact same too.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: beorn080 on December 25, 2008, 01:32:28 am
How are you doing that? I must know.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: chaoticag on December 25, 2008, 04:15:32 am
See E. Albright's post, he explains it.

Just right click the top bar, go to edit and click on mark, then drag your mouse over the entire screen, right click the task bar and go to edit copy.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: beorn080 on December 25, 2008, 04:29:14 am
Yeah I noticed that about half an hour after I posted. Useful info.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on December 26, 2008, 04:00:51 pm
Because I'm bored, and because it looks to me that the Elite Liberal movement is reaching critical mass...

And because Noel doesn't like going to jail...

I'm having Noel going out and turning Liberals into Love Slaves, so they can promote Liberalism.

Spoiler: Noel Hendrix (click to show/hide)

Some other Important Characters:
Spoiler: Gibby (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Squeegy, Founder (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Akroma (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Johnatan S. Fox (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Aqizzar, Sleeper (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: EuchreJack, Sleeper (click to show/hide)

EDIT: Also, some news. The CIA has busted up plans to kill the Elite Liberal President. Some goths plotted to kill the President, but luckily, the CIA has gotten a sleeper within the goths' clique and managed to put an end to such a plot. Privacy laws are going to be negatively affected, as a result.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on December 26, 2008, 04:46:04 pm
Alright, Janurary 6, 2009 is the beginging of the end for one half of my Techincal Pacifist Squad.

I gave Noel equipped a gun (accidently abusing some cheat in the game mechanics that allow Noel to use a gun when she's not supposed to), and kidnapped two police officers and two bouncers.

Then I let my Police Gang Unit convert them. This was stupid. The police officers were resistant to Interrogation, and couldn't be broken. So he continued to convert and convert and convert, but...they only slowly budged. One police officer was left in the Homeless Slether...and he wasn't converted, even when I sent the another Police Officer to officer my Police Gang Unit.

Combine that with the constant heat generated by hacking, and so the Police has now attacked.

Noel is happily safe, having relocated to the Liberal Guardian, where the more experienced interrogator, Squeegy, can convert (ready to convert people). But since it took a long time for even him to break police officers, I realize trying to convert police officers is dumb. But everybody else in that Homeless Slether...done for. Let just hope my Lawyer Sleeper can bust them out...

EDIT:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

While 6 Liberals are arrested, all the other Liberals have ran away like the Conservative cowards they are. I'm sure I had more people than just 6 Liberals there, but I'll reload an earlier save if I got time and actually check. (Okay, I just realized. Since my leader can only handle 6, a couple Liberals had to have gone away. And the fact is, many of the people in said Safehouse were Kidnap Victims. Oh well.)

While it may be dumb, I think it was the right thing to do. To break a siege requires that I have to, gulp, kill people. No way I can do that.

Oh well, should make it more interesting. I did something so incredibly stupid, I'll pay the price for it.

EDIT2: Gibby the Fox and Johnatan S. Fox are amongst the six people who are being arrested. And they've both were brainwashed people. I believe they will be rehabilited. Sorry.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: mainiac on December 27, 2008, 02:33:22 am
No!  I can't go back there!
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Aqizzar on December 27, 2008, 04:14:49 am
Spoiler: Aqizzar, Sleeper (click to show/hide)

A Stalwart Arch-Conservative Cable Anchor named Diwakar Savedra, with 11 Charisma but only 1.00 Persuasion.  The Fox News Equal Opportunity Program made one hell of a catch.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: EuchreJack on January 01, 2009, 08:37:07 pm
I've been playing a game where I changed from violence to pacifism, and found out a vital flaw with just recruiting brainwashed sleepers: They can't recruit.  And that's the best part of the sleepers.

With recruited sleepers, you could probably win by just getting a sleeper in every major building.  What's really cool is that they can recruit other types of character, as I had a sleeper janitor recruit a sleeper police officer!

Now, brainwashed liberals have their place, as reinforcements for the willing recruits, and as the active liberals.

Just some thoughts.  Also, I usually don't put my hackers with everybody else.  Finally, try going harder on the more stubborn automations, and if you want sleepers, don't hesitate to spend some cash.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: beorn080 on January 01, 2009, 10:28:15 pm
Brainwashed liberals are great for getting documents and suchlike. After all, if they get caught, you don't lose anyone under them. Great for those special editions.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: E. Albright on January 02, 2009, 09:59:22 am
With recruited sleepers, you could probably win by just getting a sleeper in every major building.  What's really cool is that they can recruit other types of character, as I had a sleeper janitor recruit a sleeper police officer!

No probably about it. I've won in this manner without ever committing a single crime. Takes a while, though, and a lot of micromanagement on the sleeper screen.
Title: Re: "Technical Pacifist" Crime Squad, A "Community...er...Squad"
Post by: Servant Corps on February 11, 2009, 10:57:17 pm
Since my second laptop imploded, I lost all the data. I'll tell you what I can remember, and then close this LP.

1) Johnatan S. Fox and Gibby the Fox both ratted us out. I was afraid of raids, and moved some people around, but nothing came. I recruited a new programmer, stashed him in an abandonded warehouse.
2) The Corporations finally raided the Liberal Guardian after we printed one too many stories about Homo-Workers. Since the Corps were going to kill us anyway, I did the only sane thing, run through the Corporate merc hordes. Who were firing guns. Some people got hurt. Badly.
3) The survivors gave up to the police, was charged with loitiering, and was found not guilty. My leader however was charged with a long rap sheet of crimes and had 5 people testifying against me. However, my lawyer was very juiced up after beating all those loitering charges. So, I got off.
4) I decided that since society was becoming liberal already, there is no need whatsoever about printing new "Special Editions", and risk upsetting the Corps any further. Instead, we just decided to go all legit, and just write for the Liberal Guardian.
5) Elections was held in 2012. The Elite Liberal President got in for another term (59%-41%, running against a moderate Retired General), the House became even more Elite Liberal, and the Senate FINALLY turned Liberal.

There was only one reason why I did not win this game, I was too lazy to actually disband. Had I disbanded, it would be rather likely the sleepers would have carried me to victory.