Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 02:15:35 pm
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This is an unfinished world, but it will be peopled by mighty empires.
Spoiler: Old World Map (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Current World Map (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Map Features (click to show/hide)
Step 0 is to sign up. I'll be allowing no more than six and probably only 4-5 players play. Too many and games like this become a nightmare. Priority will be given to those who participated in my Feudalism Rethought game.
Step 1 is to finish the world. Each player I will be able to make one major change or three minor changes to the map.
Step 2 is to seed your empires. Each empire will start with a single town and will have a number of points assigned to it by the player controlling it.
Step 3 is to add finishing touches. Each player will be able to add a reasonable number of minor features to the area within 1 World Hex of their empire's starting position.
Step 4 is to alter the course of history. Doing so entails me describing a period of history, then the players can influence their empire's destiny. This will be somewhat freeform; you'll be able to do just about anything within reason.
Step 5 is to wait for me to finish up compiling all of these little things so I have a nice, detailed map to use.
Step 6 is to actually play.
Hopefully this will capture the worldbuilding aspects of the original Feudalism and the empire-building aspects I had imagined, without being too hard on me.
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Player List:
10ebbor10?
Child of Armok
Dariush
javierpwn
mesor
scapheap
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 02:16:15 pm
Overview (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121171.msg3918981#msg3918981)
Table of Contents (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121171.msg3918984#msg3918984) (in case you can't find it) (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment)
Step 1 Rules (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121171.msg3919127#msg3919127)
Step 2 Rules (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121171.msg3946518#msg3946518)
Post by: mesor on January 01, 2013, 02:16:58 pm
You PM ninja'd me lol.
Makes a change normally I'm the one who ninja's you :D.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 02:19:59 pm
Post by: mesor on January 01, 2013, 02:20:36 pm
Post by: Dariush on January 01, 2013, 02:22:03 pm
Luck lol I just reset my PC and this popped up about 2 seconds before I opened the forum.Uh... how could it pop up before you opened the forum?...
Post by: scapheap on January 01, 2013, 02:22:18 pm
Post by: Child of Armok on January 01, 2013, 02:27:46 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 01, 2013, 02:28:08 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 01, 2013, 02:34:33 pm
Ptw. Maybe reservingill join in
Post by: mesor on January 01, 2013, 02:35:58 pm
But still, wow that was fast.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 02:37:29 pm
Please be patient while I post the descriptions of constitutes a "major" or "minor" change.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 03:00:57 pm
As noted, you can make one major or two minor changes to the map.
Spoiler: Major Changes (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Minor Changes (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Combining Actions (click to show/hide)
Any questions about the rules or map?
Post by: scapheap on January 01, 2013, 03:10:26 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 03:11:28 pm
Post by: mesor on January 01, 2013, 03:13:28 pm
I'll take a mineral deposit of iron on the island thats on it's own to the left.
A mineral deposit of gold on the same island.
A small island two hexes to the islands right ( Dark blue hex with two light blue ones connecting it to the island )
Post by: javierpwn on January 01, 2013, 03:17:32 pm
And the tile beneath it to be mineral of iron
Post by: scapheap on January 01, 2013, 03:21:58 pm
Perpetual storm around it(the light blues hexes)
Post by: Child of Armok on January 01, 2013, 03:25:27 pm
To the bottem right is a mineral of iron.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 03:29:59 pm
Ruins on the island on the west side.That's two. You can have three minor actions.
Perpetual storm around it(the light blues hexes)
Other than that, looks good.
Post by: scapheap on January 01, 2013, 03:37:21 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 04:06:49 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 01, 2013, 04:22:14 pm
A group of small islands near the West of the swamp. (Middle)
A viable deposit of Basalt in on the island, remnant on an old Volcano
A river mounding in the swamp, coming from one of the soon to be mountain in the North
Edit: Just a question. In what order does picking civ start positions occur. Because I think at least 2 people have intent on settling on the island to the left.
Post by: scapheap on January 01, 2013, 04:32:07 pm
Post by: mesor on January 01, 2013, 04:33:08 pm
Kind of a which one of us is the evil twin and which one of us is the eviler twin thing.
Post by: Dariush on January 01, 2013, 04:36:22 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 01, 2013, 04:41:06 pm
The plain two tiles to the west of lowest swamp shift into mountain, create rivr source there, make rivr delta exceptionally fertile.There's a plain there? Don't you mean East?
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 04:47:00 pm
The map is rather small, it appears to me.A bit, yeah. I didn't discover I could set the world generator to make bigger worlds until it was too late. ::)
...On that note, who thinks we should stick with the little map and who wants to have a bigger world?
Post by: mesor on January 01, 2013, 04:47:27 pm
Post by: scapheap on January 01, 2013, 04:48:17 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 01, 2013, 04:52:17 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 04:53:21 pm
Replacing world map in OP with this one:
Spoiler: Somewhat large image (click to show/hide)
Post by: scapheap on January 01, 2013, 04:55:16 pm
Island top right ruin on desert hex, Perpetual storm around island or if too big ruin and a copper mine on the pine forest surounded by other pine forest.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 04:57:13 pm
Post by: mesor on January 01, 2013, 04:57:37 pm
Add Iron.
Add Tin.
Add Gold.
In the forests around the Copper mine.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 08:30:49 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 01, 2013, 08:38:21 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 02, 2013, 03:29:03 am
Iron deposit in the central plains
The tiles in front of the river mounding are partially blocked by coral reefs and crags.
Post by: Dariush on January 02, 2013, 04:06:00 am
Two quick questions: can we lay down the rivers or only their sources? And are they going to run through the hexes or on their borders?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 02, 2013, 04:08:26 am
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Choose a source, a mouth, and optionally a route it takes. Don't violate the laws of nature too much with this; a river which winds across the entire continent WILL be rejected
I think you can choose for the last one.
Post by: Dariush on January 02, 2013, 04:39:29 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 02, 2013, 04:53:31 am
Post by: Child of Armok on January 02, 2013, 05:24:59 am
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 02, 2013, 09:45:56 am
Because the random generater doesn't do rivers, I think.Exactly.
And as to where rivers run: Either between hexes or through them. I'm not picky.
Sorry to inconvenience you, Dariush. Speaking of which, have you decided what you're doing? How about you, javierpwn?
Post by: Dariush on January 02, 2013, 10:05:30 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The lack of natural rivers is still idiotic, though.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 02, 2013, 10:11:09 am
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 02, 2013, 06:05:22 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 02, 2013, 06:11:33 pm
Add an iron deposit on other side of river
A river source coming out of the new mountain being created
And an island between the middle and eastern continents
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 02, 2013, 07:44:24 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 02, 2013, 09:37:25 pm
River coming in the central plains, coming from the mountains. (Mounding between 2 plains)Where are you putting these? The big southern continent?
Iron deposit in the central plains
The tiles in front of the river mounding are partially blocked by coral reefs and crags.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 03, 2013, 01:52:22 am
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 03, 2013, 08:17:53 am
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 03, 2013, 11:11:49 am
I'm going to modify the map some when you guys are done, because the perfect hexes look ugly to me and yeah there should probably be some more features.I'm regretting those words.
Spoiler: Current World Map (click to show/hide)
It's also tedious.
Would anyone mind if I left it like this and just went to adding your features to the map, or would you rather I finished smoothing it?
Post by: scapheap on January 03, 2013, 11:22:06 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 03, 2013, 11:22:26 am
Post by: Dariush on January 03, 2013, 11:26:53 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on January 03, 2013, 04:57:37 pm
Post by: mesor on January 03, 2013, 04:58:04 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 03, 2013, 07:45:44 pm
Can I join wait list? I love RMGs.Sure. What do the R and M in RMG stand for?
Post by: Rolepgeek on January 03, 2013, 08:18:08 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 04, 2013, 12:00:33 pm
Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)
So I had an idea.
We've got hexes; why not use them?
I would assign a couple letters to each column (or something like that) and each hex would have a designation. The 17th one down in the GW column would be GW-17, for instance.
I would simply record what resource or whatever was in each tile's deposit.
Sound good?
Post by: Dariush on January 04, 2013, 12:06:02 pm
Post by: scapheap on January 04, 2013, 12:08:12 pm
Yes. Why are the rivers green? And why are half of all hexes perfect and half are not?read this and the last page again.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 04, 2013, 12:22:14 pm
Yes. Why are the rivers green? And why are half of all hexes perfect and half are not?The rivers are green because it looked like more of a cyan when I added them, and half of the hexes are perfect hexes while half are fixed because I discovered how tedious it was a bit ago, asked if anyone cared if I finished dehexifying, and no one did.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 04, 2013, 12:25:13 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 04, 2013, 12:27:07 pm
Or at least, not much harder.
Post by: Dariush on January 04, 2013, 12:45:56 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 06, 2013, 04:36:40 pm
Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)
Any final objections before carrying on to Step 2?
Post by: scapheap on January 06, 2013, 04:39:18 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 06, 2013, 04:40:27 pm
Post by: mesor on January 06, 2013, 04:46:06 pm
Between me and scap we had tin, copper, iron and gold.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 06, 2013, 04:47:40 pm
the half and half need fixing, other than that it good.It's an ongoing process. It's gone on better than last time.
Looks good to me but shouldn't it have 4 metal sources on the top right island?One is concealed by the hex designation thingy.
Between me and scap we had tin, copper, iron and gold.
Post by: mesor on January 06, 2013, 04:52:19 pm
Then yea looks good.
Post by: Dariush on January 07, 2013, 04:12:48 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on January 07, 2013, 09:15:18 am
Post by: Dariush on January 07, 2013, 09:33:19 am
Post by: mesor on January 07, 2013, 09:34:11 am
It's just in denile.
......... Just no.
Post by: scapheap on January 07, 2013, 10:00:59 am
It's just in denile.That hurt, I mean really hurt that I'm bleeding here.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 07, 2013, 03:58:45 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 07, 2013, 09:38:21 pm
Why is there a river in the middle of a desert on the top left island?Ever hear of the...yeah.
Or desert rivers everywhere. The Nile is the best-known, though.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2013, 04:55:11 pm
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Here's where you create your empires.
An empire starts with one of a couple kinds of settlements, plus 10 points to spend on special features, and a starting location. Ideally, a brief description would be provided as well.
Spoiler: Settlements (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Traits (click to show/hide)
Post by: scapheap on January 12, 2013, 05:08:18 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2013, 05:13:29 pm
Post by: scapheap on January 12, 2013, 05:22:43 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2013, 05:30:51 pm
Post by: scapheap on January 12, 2013, 05:33:22 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on January 12, 2013, 05:58:58 pm
1 village: 0.05 of a hex, 3 net food production, 15 IUT to build.
Think about that.
Post by: mesor on January 12, 2013, 06:06:12 pm
Iron level tech .4.
Inhuman. 5-3. ( Humans with dark blue skin and animalistic features due to being tained by demons blood by their god. )
Superior combat skills.
Berserkers.
Increased population.
Heavily reduced diplomatic ability.
Reduced research ability on non combat related things. )
2 Extra villages.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2013, 06:54:11 pm
5 plantations: 0.05 of a hex, 5 net food production, 10 IUT to build.Villages also produce Industry. It's probably worth the loss of two food and the extra IU/T.
1 village: 0.05 of a hex, 3 net food production, 15 IUT to build.
Think about that.
Post by: javierpwn on January 12, 2013, 07:06:05 pm
With a fortress,
village (2)
Iron Age tech (4)
Earth magic(metals) (?)
Culture military defined (valor) (?)
Would like input on ?'s
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2013, 07:55:39 pm
Earth magic(metals) (?)It depends.
Culture military defined (valor) (?)
Would like input on ?'s
How common is Earth Magic and what all can it do?
What are you intending to "get" from being a militarily-defined culture with valor?
Post by: javierpwn on January 12, 2013, 07:59:25 pm
A populace more attuned to war, and more willing to become soldiers; whilst those who are soldier will fight till their last breath.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2013, 08:05:01 pm
Earth magic allows mages to control the metals and rock of the earth, and will be uncommon to seeSo...pretty rare, 1-2% of people tops? How strong are they--pebbles or mountains? How precise-can they create a suit of armor or just crush it? How versatile--telekinesis, shaping, transfiguration?
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A populace more attuned to war, and more willing to become soldiers; whilst those who are soldier will fight till their last breath.Hm...probably 1-2 points. 2 makes them pretty much unaffected by most anything short of, you know, actually skewering them with various types of sharp sticks.
Post by: javierpwn on January 12, 2013, 08:13:00 pm
But with metals, they can shape metals
Using their mind of course
I would say 2 points into valor
Post by: mesor on January 12, 2013, 08:15:08 pm
Can they create armor to match a smith or can they just produce a subpar set faster then a smith?
Post by: javierpwn on January 12, 2013, 08:17:47 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2013, 08:21:31 pm
Move boulders,using mindOkay, the magic would probably cost 3 points or so. Less common than scapheap's, but more versatile.
But with metals, they can shape metals
I would say 2 points into valor
Post by: javierpwn on January 12, 2013, 09:10:31 pm
Can I say that gems empower the focus of earth magic, as they contain the soul of the earth?
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2013, 09:14:51 pm
I'll take the 1 point into valor thenProbably fine. Just defining an undefined bit.
Can I say that gems empower the focus of earth magic, as they contain the soul of the earth?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 13, 2013, 04:48:53 am
Spoiler: Cities (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Society (click to show/hide)
Post by: scapheap on January 13, 2013, 05:13:09 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also mesor, I got the names.
Post by: Dariush on January 13, 2013, 09:15:04 am
Hex: CD-12;
Settlements: 3 villages and a town;
Traits:
Developed healing magic in 2-4% of the population
Culture:
Emphasis on expansion (both peaceful and conquest)
Innovative (2 points)
Whatever is left over goes into starting technology (around 2 points, by my calculations), in case I'm again the last one to respond to your approval post.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 09:18:36 am
What does 'extra hex' trait give, exactly? Will we be completely unable to expand beyond one hex for the entire game without it?No, it just lets you put initial, non-colony settlements outside of your starting hex.
Post by: Dariush on January 13, 2013, 09:26:19 am
Also, how much would my race cost?
Post by: javierpwn on January 13, 2013, 09:26:50 am
What does 'extra hex' trait give, exactly? Will we be completely unable to expand beyond one hex for the entire game without it?lay off mah Cd 12, I called it first!
Hex: CD-12;
Settlements: 3 villages and a town;
Traits:
Developed healing magic in 2-4% of the population
Culture:
Emphasis on expansion (both peaceful and conquest)
Innovative (2 points)
Whatever is left over goes into starting technology (around 2 points, by my calculations), in case I'm again the last one to respond to your approval post.
Post by: Dariush on January 13, 2013, 09:29:36 am
Post by: javierpwn on January 13, 2013, 09:31:52 am
...Are you kidding me? I completely shaped the terrain there. Just because you live in a timezone closer to the mod's one doesn't mean you get to steal my work.i did make cd 13 have ore.....
Fine ill move to CD 13....
And btw, although I live in the US , I was awake until 2 AM.... So time zones rarely matter...
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 09:43:05 am
Does it give any extra settlements or do we have to put part of the starting set of three villages+stuff in another hex?You could put some of the starting settlements in it, or buy some new ones to put in it.
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Also, how much would my race cost?I can't see any race you suggested. The magic stated here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121171.msg3948223#msg3948223) is somewhat common (compared to most magic, at least), and fairly versatile, so ~4 points. That leaves a couple points for tech and a couple points for the expansion emphasis. Is this fine or were there some nonhuman things you wanted to add?
Post by: Child of Armok on January 13, 2013, 10:49:36 am
Cities: town and 3 villages.
Society:
-The people are great huntsmen and archers,
they can easily run undiscovered through the woods and ambush enemies. (Villages, colonies and towns consume 1 less food, and the people are superior archers and ambushers. - 4 points) (Tell me if this is ok.)
-Iron age tech -4 points
-Seasailing experience ( Villages, towns and colonies who are located next to water, produce 1 more food, and war- and transport ships are faster. - 2 points. ) (Again, tell me if this is ok.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 10:53:57 am
Society:I'd have them produce 1 more food instead, but the math works out. As for the price...should be fine.
-The people are great huntsmen and archers,
they can easily run undiscovered through the woods and ambush enemies. (Villages, colonies and towns consume 1 less food, and the people are superior archers and ambushers. - 4 points) (Tell me if this is ok.)
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-Seasailing experience ( Villages, towns and colonies who are located next to water, produce 1 more food, and war- and transport ships are faster. - 2 points. ) (Again, tell me if this is ok.Take out the extra +1 food for seaside settlements and sure.
Post by: Child of Armok on January 13, 2013, 10:57:13 am
Quote-Seasailing experience ( Villages, towns and colonies who are located next to water, produce 1 more food, and war- and transport ships are faster. - 2 points. ) (Again, tell me if this is ok.Take out the extra +1 food for seaside settlements and sure.
OK, fine.
Post by: javierpwn on January 13, 2013, 12:08:10 pm
Future seaside exploration would be nice....
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 12:14:11 pm
I want my fort to be shoreline please?Is your starting hex near the ocean?
Future seaside exploration would be nice....
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10ebbor10, Child of Armok, Dariush, javierpwn, mesor, and scapheap have replied with their empires. That seems to be everyone, awesome. Could everyone bring up their last-minute questions and possibly quote their empirey stuff so we can finish this bit up?
Post by: Child of Armok on January 13, 2013, 12:21:30 pm
Post by: scapheap on January 13, 2013, 12:23:54 pm
Hex: EH-2Ta da.
Settlements: village and fortress.
Traits:
Magic: Knights of the holy order of the Phoenix can imbue their sword with fire to burn their enemies. 3 points
Technology: Iron age. 4 points
Village: 2 point
Plantation: 1 point
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 12:55:40 pm
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 01:43:43 pm
Starting location EG 1. ( Town and 3 villages that I begin with, next to the iron deposit. )
Iron level tech .4.
Inhuman. 5-3=2. ( Humans with dark blue skin and animalistic features due to being tained by demons blood by their god. )
Superior combat skills.
Berserkers.
Increased population.
Heavily reduced diplomatic ability.
Reduced research ability on non combat related things. )
2 Extra villages.4.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 13, 2013, 01:45:08 pm
DF 17Spoiler: Cities (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Society (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dariush on January 13, 2013, 01:55:46 pm
And btw, although I live in the US , I was awake until 2 AM.... So time zones rarely matter...At this point I wanted to point out that GWG posted at what is midnight here and you posted at what is 2 AM, but let's just drop the matter. We'll have to live together, after all. :D
I can't see any race you suggested. The magic stated here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121171.msg3948223#msg3948223) is somewhat common (compared to most magic, at least), and fairly versatile, so ~4 points. That leaves a couple points for tech and a couple points for the expansion emphasis. Is this fine or were there some nonhuman things you wanted to add?Er, by 'race' I meant 'everything I put together'. I couldn't find a better word. :)
So, 4 points for magic. How much would the expansion emphasis cost and what would the effect be? And are you going to fix the halfway done map?
Post by: javierpwn on January 13, 2013, 02:34:29 pm
It did pretty well until 300 spartan men fought off 100,000 men and were all slaughtered.
Then again alot of the Persians did die......
Aka, you give me food, resources, and any sort of tribute, and we will leave your town, women, and first born children alone.....
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 02:58:10 pm
Post by: Dariush on January 13, 2013, 03:02:45 pm
Then again 250,000 of the Persians did die......
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you allow movies like 300 to shape your historical outlook, you should really be kept away from people.
Post by: javierpwn on January 13, 2013, 03:09:07 pm
Instead of 100,000 men vs almost 2000+ allies
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 04:16:40 pm
Ah.I can't see any race you suggested. The magic stated here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121171.msg3948223#msg3948223) is somewhat common (compared to most magic, at least), and fairly versatile, so ~4 points. That leaves a couple points for tech and a couple points for the expansion emphasis. Is this fine or were there some nonhuman things you wanted to add?Er, by 'race' I meant 'everything I put together'. I couldn't find a better word. :)
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So, 4 points for magic. How much would the expansion emphasis cost and what would the effect be?Like I said, about two points. As to the effect...cheaper colonies and lowered expenses for building far away, probably. The specifics are forthcoming!
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And are you going to fix the halfway done map?Yes.
That is a really cool picture.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 13, 2013, 04:27:17 pm
But it sounds cooler when half a million men fight against 300 men....7.000 vs 250.000-300.000. Actually (Or, according to Herodotus 3.4 million)
Instead of 100,000 men vs almost 2000+ allies
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 04:31:24 pm
But try to go sparta on me man I dare you, 300 of your men against 1000 of mine in a nice tight space.
I should mention that my average 15 year old girl could beat a human soldier to death with her bare hands though.
Post by: scapheap on January 13, 2013, 04:33:47 pm
Meh whatever the case, a tiny army fought a huge one and did so much damage that the persians entire advance was stopped in it's tracks.It wasn't so much stopped as slow down enough for the pansy ass Greeks to stop parting and get their army ready.
But try to go sparta on me man I dare you, 300 of your men against 1000 of mine in a nice tight space.
I should mention that my average 15 year old girl could beat a human soldier to death with her bare hands though.
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 04:38:50 pm
But I'd bet it was more like 15 to every greek.
No way to know really.
But still the persians had enough cavalry to advance and stop the army building up they just got so scared of the greeks they took much to long.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 13, 2013, 04:53:28 pm
They could of advanced fast enough to prevent that after the battle, but the minamum losses I've seen was the persians losing 5 men to every greek who died.Mountain passes are pretty hard to charge through.
But I'd bet it was more like 15 to every greek.
No way to know really.
But still the persians had enough cavalry to advance and stop the army building up they just got so scared of the greeks they took much to long.
Besides, the battles on the Athenian side where found at the same moment as the Spartan land battles. The Persian war was won at sea, not at Land.
I should mention that my average 15 year old girl could beat a human soldier to death with her bare hands though.
With the advantage of walls, boiling oil, crossbows, longbows, catapults, moats, deathtraps, stones, more deathtraps, portcullis, maybe even cannons, I doubt there'll be a mellee.
Question for GM: What's medieval tech. Specifically, early or late medieval. Even more specific, gunpowder, Yes*/no.
*Even then, I doubt they'll be usefull. The early cannons were only used as intimidation weaponry. After all, it cost a monk several months to make each cannonball, and the cannons were just as like to explode as to fire properly.
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 05:04:03 pm
Plus I ain't stupid enough to charge into fortifications.
I doubt we get gun powder and cannons this early.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 13, 2013, 05:08:57 pm
My men have longbows, which out range crossbows and other longbows given mine have far superior strength to allow for a stronger bow.My bows are better. Should be composite bows by now. Or at least decent longbows. Original longbows were not really accurate.
Plus I ain't stupid enough to charge into fortifications.
I doubt we get gun powder and cannons this early.
Fine for me. You can wait outside the city. With the tar and the mud and the fire.
Well, technically, gun powder does date back to the Chinese. It's mostly fireworks and fun untill the late 16 the century though.
Edit: I just remembered my best advantage. Beer, and wine. (To be fair, wine dates back to egyptians.) So better beer and wine.
Post by: javierpwn on January 13, 2013, 05:09:45 pm
Besides......
Weakened walls were sometimes blown apart using kegs themselves....
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 05:11:45 pm
Your people might not be worth killing but theirs the small matter of food.
If your army is inside the fort then I'll destroy your villages, murder your farmers and eat your food just close enough for your men to watch my men eat their food while they starve :).
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 13, 2013, 05:12:17 pm
Also, don't underestimate the power of technology. Besides, who keeps their food in their farms anyway. Everybody knows that forts have a decent food supply.
Also, haven't got the disipline for massed volley's. (I hope.)
There are 2 ways this might end up going.
Caesar vs the Celts, or Crete vs whoever invaded it.
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 05:16:48 pm
While your sitting in your fort I'll be taking over your land.
Sooner or later you have to come out and fight me.
In the mean time I poison the swamp and let you sit and watch what happens, assuming you manage to get your men to the fortress before my men arrive :).
Tech? At best your a small distance ahead of me while my men are better fighters and more numerous.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 13, 2013, 05:18:12 pm
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 05:29:01 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on January 13, 2013, 05:29:21 pm
On another note, Crossbows out-range longbows. Unless you're talking about dinky little hand crossbows or some shit. But the good, big crossbows with 400 lb pull strength? And they fire lighter projectiles than crossbows? Oh hell yeah they go farther. Their disadvantage is a long ass reload time. The british longbowmen could draw, aim, and fire fast enough that there was a volley every ten seconds instead of the 40 to 50 seconds required for the giant crossbows.
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 05:32:01 pm
Factor in super strength and means that I can use longbows that an average human could not even draw which would give me even longer range.
Pretty sure my longbows will out distance a crossbow.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 05:34:32 pm
Question for GM: What's medieval tech. Specifically, early or late medieval. Even more specific, gunpowder, Yes*/no.*shrugs*
Probably closer to late medieval. Plate mail, long- and crossbows, straight swords, but not any effective firearms. (Explosives? Sure, especially unintentional ones. :P)
Medieval vs Ironage is a good 2000 Years, you know.Remember when he said that an unarmed preteen girl of his race could fight off an armed human soldier? That's probably true. They're strong and tough enough that each one can take down several human soldiers, assuming approximately equivalent levels of gear and training. Also, he's got about a 20% population advantage, and he'll probably have a higher draft rate come wartime. Plate armor and such will help, but when you're faced with larger army of inherently superior melee combatants...watch out.
...No, it's around a thousand. Rome is iron age, Crusades is Medieval.I was pretty sure that was right.
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On another note, Crossbows out-range longbows. Unless you're talking about dinky little hand crossbows or some shit. But the good, big crossbows with 400 lb pull strength? And they fire lighter projectiles than crossbows? Oh hell yeah they go farther. Their disadvantage is a long ass reload time. The british longbowmen could draw, aim, and fire fast enough that there was a volley every ten seconds instead of the 40 to 50 seconds required for the giant crossbows.I'd advise the slower but stronger and longer-range crossbows against mesor's demonic forces.
But the crossbows used by the sung dynasty could not hit mongol bowmen because the bowmen had much longer range.I'm not sure about the specifics, but that's entirely possible.
Factor in super strength and means that I can use longbows that an average human could not even draw which would give me even longer range.
Pretty sure my longbows will out distance a crossbow.
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 05:44:12 pm
Also, your facing superior numbers of men who not only have serious issues with death but could probably literally rip your arm off then beat you to death with it and are probably what GWG twice human speed?
Your kinda gonna need to out number me at least 3-1 to stand a fighting chance of winning outside of a siege.
Uhm drafting?
My entire population has been corrupted by demon blood.
Not one person in my entire nation would refuse the chance to fight.
Hell a 5 year old in my nation would fight if I asked him to and if I stick a little sword in his hand he'll fight damned well.
Oh also my men use axes, so plate armor will not help much when my men are hacking your arms off :).
Post by: Rolepgeek on January 13, 2013, 05:48:05 pm
On another note, chinese crossbows vs. Mongolian recurve bows(not longbows) is different than Genovese Crossbows vs. English Longbows.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 05:51:25 pm
are probably what GWG twice human speed?*shrugs* Maybe. Probably a bit slower. Still a bit out in the air; the only definitive number I have so far is "Several humans to a Mesorthing." That's what I said in the PM, right?
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Oh also my men use axes, so plate armor will not help much when my men are hacking your arms off :).Let's see...I think slashing weapons were the norm until chainmail came along, then--screw it, looking it up.
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 05:54:03 pm
Some of you have magic, some of you have superior tech.
I just picked to make my people half demon.
Then almost crippled my chances of diplomacy, reduced all research that is not weapon or armor related and have 0 chance of ever taking prisoners.
Meh soldiers used axes pretty much from the time that cave men learnt to stick a sharp bit of rock on a piece of wood and swing it.
On a side note, nobody will be fighting unarmed teens anyway.
They'll be fighting teens with big bows, bigger axes and a set of nice heavy iron or bronze armor who's been trained to kill since she was about 5.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 06:15:36 pm
How many points does being demons that have more people and incredible fighting skills cost? 2? Really? Only 2? Especially considering the only diplomacy will really be between you guys? I think an unarmed teen vs. a trained soldier being equal is kinda ridiculous, tbh. But, anyway. GWG's game, just interested to see how things turn out.FWIW, I charged 4 points for the combat ability.
Oh, and it turns out that big axes and polearms really were the best against plate. You know what's good against that kind of wide-bladed weapon, though? Chainmail.
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 06:18:01 pm
One solid blow will part the rings and take the limb off.
Axes and maces were kind of the fall back weapon of the day.
No matter what kind of armor they use an axe or mace is going to hurt them.
Post by: Rolepgeek on January 13, 2013, 07:52:07 pm
An axe will hurt if you hit it against chainmail, but unless you're a goddamn viking berserker in full rage mode holding it with both hands, or get a weak point, it's not going to shear through solid steel. Of course, a poleaxe will go through pretty easy, and even a dagger will kill if you push it through their visor...Just saying that head to head? There's a reason knights ruled the battlefields.
Post by: mesor on January 13, 2013, 07:56:38 pm
That will cut a limb clean off without much problem in the hands of a man with demon strength.
Plus I already intended to create several kinds of arrows anyway one of which was bodkin.
Chain mail armor is what the romans used and plenty of romans got their limbs hacked off by celts or gauls using axes.
It was effective but a strong man could cut through it.
Thats why I'm aiming for limbs as well, even if somehow it fails to cut it off it's sure as hell going to break it, let the knight fight with 1 arm or 1 leg.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 08:22:58 pm
Post by: Dariush on January 14, 2013, 05:13:11 am
After all, it cost a monk several months to make each cannonball, and the cannons were just as like to explode as to fire properly....what. Firstly, why would a monk do it and not someone who is actually supposed to make stuff out of metal (hint: a smith)? Secondly, why would smelting a simple heavy-ass ball take several months?
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 05:32:03 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on January 14, 2013, 09:47:46 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 14, 2013, 11:06:51 am
Because they were often stone cannonballs during that time?Correct. The earliest cannons fired stone cannonballs, not iron or steel balls. And it had to be chisseled perfectly, or it would get stuck and the entire cannon would explode. The earlist cannons were kinda rubbish actually. Firing at most once an hour, tendency to explode, ridiculously bad accuracy.
Edit: GWG, is there such a possibility as a fortress city/ Fortifified city. Kinda like Carcasonne?
Edit2: How are you going to handle sieges. Will every siege end up in a charge, and how does the protecting effect of the fortress work.
Post by: Child of Armok on January 14, 2013, 01:16:25 pm
And, GWG, i intended to use recurve bows, is that ok?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 14, 2013, 01:20:56 pm
Battle axes wont do much when you have an arrow in the arm/leg/body.It doesn't matter much. The combat number will be quite simplified.
And, GWG, i intended to use recurve bows, is that ok?
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 01:25:05 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 14, 2013, 01:27:11 pm
Uhm if you hit my men on a limb you'll be lucky to make them flinch. But it's probably just gonna be numbers and weapon that determines everything.And fortifications.
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 01:29:30 pm
Post by: Child of Armok on January 14, 2013, 01:41:47 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 14, 2013, 01:45:56 pm
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 01:55:47 pm
Post by: Child of Armok on January 14, 2013, 02:43:34 pm
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Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 14, 2013, 03:46:12 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 04:27:06 pm
And cause a rocky road to be created in mere minutes to hours in the swamp
Who needs catapults when we've got mages throwing boulders instead
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 14, 2013, 04:29:25 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 04:31:48 pm
Those who are adorned with gems, are therefore more powerful
I did say minutes to hours......
And it will probably involve plenty of mages
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 04:34:01 pm
Then just march right over the top of your men or throw bolders at them.
Or make them fall down then let me march right over your men :P.
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 04:35:36 pm
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 04:44:12 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 04:45:46 pm
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 04:50:31 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 04:53:56 pm
It just passes right by you, Nd comes from behind for the impact
The rebounding rhyolite boulder strike the Halfdemon man in the upper spine, tearing several tendons
And tearing apart the upper spine's nervous tissue!
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 04:59:13 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 05:01:17 pm
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 05:19:57 pm
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 14, 2013, 06:52:32 pm
Edit: GWG, is there such a possibility as a fortress city/ Fortifified city. Kinda like Carcasonne?Probably. I haven't gotten around to it yet.
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Edit2: How are you going to handle sieges. Will every siege end up in a charge, and how does the protecting effect of the fortress work.It'll be different, but I'm not sure yet.
Who needs catapults when we've got mages throwing boulders insteadThe other side, of course.
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 06:54:41 pm
When we eventually get medieval weaponry, the ballistae with a rockhead will be wonderful for our mages!
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 07:02:51 pm
Better make you extinct before you get to it then hadn't we :).
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 07:05:03 pm
And penetrate through many men?
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 07:07:47 pm
However I do like the idea of burying earth mages alive so they suffocate.
A fitting end don't you think?
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 07:11:29 pm
They can easily escape...,
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 07:14:27 pm
Beheading it is.
My people have issues with taking people alive anyway so burying them would be pointless since they'll already be dead.
Assuming I ever have to fight you which unless my brother decides he doesn't like you won't happen.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 14, 2013, 07:17:57 pm
Better make you extinct before you get to it then hadn't we :).Or make every earth mage yours...
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 07:20:17 pm
Which as we know will not happen unless they surrender before the fighting even begins.
Because the moment the first man or woman fires an arrow or swings an axe my men will murder every man, woman and child on the battlefield that is not one of them or an ally.
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 14, 2013, 08:00:28 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 08:01:05 pm
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 08:05:07 pm
They get one chance when I arrive.
Every man, woman and child surrenders and they live.
One kid throws a rock and we wipe the village out of existance.
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 08:26:30 pm
I can make a pansy faction develop inside the demons.....
Or say a demon went rogue and poisoned the water supply, destroying the demon half.....
But that's not fun...z z
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 08:30:59 pm
Stage 3 is changes in your immediate area.
Step 4 is to alter the course of history. Doing so entails me describing a period of history, then the players can influence their empire's destiny. This will be somewhat freeform; you'll be able to do just about anything within reason.
I doubt you can choose to poison my people considering you don't even know my people exist :).
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 14, 2013, 08:42:50 pm
Starting location EG 1. ( Town and 3 villages that I begin with, next to the iron deposit. )
Iron level tech .4.
Inhuman. 5-3. ( Humans with dark blue skin and animalistic features due to being tained by demons blood by their god. )
Superior combat skills.
Berserkers.
Increased population.
Heavily reduced diplomatic ability.
Reduced research ability on non combat related things. )
2 Extra villages.
I'll start at CD 13
With a fortress,
village (2)
Iron Age tech (4)
Earth magic(metals) (?)
Culture military defined (valor) (?)
Would like input on ?'s
DF 17Spoiler: Cities (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Society (click to show/hide)
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What does 'extra hex' trait give, exactly? Will we be completely unable to expand beyond one hex for the entire game without it?
Hex: CD-12;
Settlements: 3 villages and a town;
Traits:
Developed healing magic in 2-4% of the population
Culture:
Emphasis on expansion (both peaceful and conquest)
Innovative (2 points)
Whatever is left over goes into starting technology (around 2 points, by my calculations), in case I'm again the last one to respond to your approval post.
Start on BC 8Um...oh, me.
Cities: town and 3 villages.
Society:
-The people are great huntsmen and archers,
they can easily run undiscovered through the woods and ambush enemies. (Villages, colonies and towns consume 1 less food, and the people are superior archers and ambushers. - 4 points) (Tell me if this is ok.)
-Iron age tech -4 points
-Seasailing experience ( Villages, towns and colonies who are located next to water, produce 1 more food, and war- and transport ships are faster. - 2 points. ) (Again, tell me if this is ok.
...I'll make the additions to the map. In the meantime, I request flavor!
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 08:45:07 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 09:09:02 pm
Expansion, curses, death, discovery, bloodshed
Those sound like some nice flavor
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 14, 2013, 09:20:10 pm
Like what?Naming your civilizations is a good start.
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 09:21:50 pm
( Messengers of both Hope and Doom )
Led by Erebos Dimidietas.
( Dark Half )
Post by: javierpwn on January 14, 2013, 09:36:14 pm
Led by David Dustothuk
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 14, 2013, 11:04:22 pm
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In any case, I have placed all settlements and will upload a map once some more has been dehexified.
Post by: mesor on January 14, 2013, 11:11:49 pm
( Irish Celtic for Hell. )
Post by: Dariush on January 15, 2013, 05:57:54 am
Flavor: Scientific progress, development of ironworking, population boom, need for expansion.
Settlement naming is for the double weak. If villages are taking up 0.05 of a hex, there's probably going to be a lot of them, so I don't see the point in naming each and every one.
Post by: scapheap on January 15, 2013, 09:55:59 am
Settlement:Spéir(heaven)
Leader:Nadra Dimidietas(light half)
Flavor:Imperial, Religious, clean looking,
Post by: Child of Armok on January 15, 2013, 11:52:00 am
Town: Tholithon
Leader: Ythir Boracan
Flavor: Living together with the nature, but not peaceful.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 15, 2013, 02:14:08 pm
Fortress city: The red Gate
-Smaller communes will not be named
Leader: None. It's a semidemocratic confederation relying on representatives and a bureaucratic system. In practice, the 5 chosen leaders of the villages and some other representatives decide what happens.
History: The delta of the Red river has always been a fertile land. The flooded surroundings allowed for large rice harvests, and wildlife and others were plentifull. While disease and pests are a risk, these have been mostly mitigated by storing all important goods in the central fortress that was build by the villages. Thanks to the large food harvests, and the limited risk of invaders, the society flourished and quickly expanded. Technological advances were quickly made, almost all thanks to a growing intellectual elite class.
The Red Gate:
The name of the fortress is twofold. Firstly, from it's hightened position in the middle of the delta it controls all traffic going up and down the Red river. The other explanation is it's outlook. There are nearly no rocks in the swamp, and as such the fortress was constructed from thick layers of baked red clay, molded and fit amongst a wooden frame. While the clay is certainly not as strong as normal stone, it's lightness and large availability easily make up for that. The walls are very thick, but mostly hollow, preventing the construction from collapsing while allowing defenders much more space to defend from . Thick layers of softly baked clay on the outside protect against all sorts of projectiles, as well as grappeling hooks while the wooden framework keeps the entire thing together. The entire fort is constructed in such a way, that in an emergency (like a breach), they can lock of parts of the wall, or even let them collapse.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 22, 2013, 01:09:19 pm
Post by: javierpwn on January 22, 2013, 04:48:35 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 22, 2013, 04:49:26 pm
Jim.... I dun reckon dis thread dun died quite a long ways backThe last post was like a week ago. Don't be silly.
Post by: javierpwn on January 22, 2013, 04:50:17 pm
Post by: scapheap on January 22, 2013, 05:08:12 pm
I was making an allusion to young southerners poking a dead body with a stick....Poke it harder.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 27, 2013, 04:16:15 pm