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Title: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Game Over, Town win
Post by: Mephansteras on December 28, 2022, 01:17:40 pm

By popular request, it is time for a good old fashioned Paranormal Mafia!

Been a while since I ran one of these (ignoring the Bastard game), so no changes to the rules since last time.

Min 9 players by preference, although I can lower that if needed. Probably don't need to specify a max given current turnout numbers.

Signups will go through most of Tues 1/3. I'll close them that evening (pacific time) and get working on the role PMs. Game will start Wednesday morning.

Players

• webadict
• FallacyofUrist
• ToonyMan
• notquitethere - Doppelganger Medium
• Maximum Spin
• Knightwing64 - Human Medium
• Vector - Doppelganger Agent
• Jim Groovester
• hector13
• TricMagic - Human Observant Guard
• EuchreJack

Backups:



For those of you not used to Paranormal, I suggest you read some of the old games to get a feel for it. And you can read through the rules discussion (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=34959.msg534667#msg534667) thread as well, which should answer a lot of questions on how it goes.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [0/9+]
Post by: Mephansteras on December 28, 2022, 01:21:55 pm

Here are the current rules:

Here is the (current) list of possible roles:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

• Townie
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Human
      Goal: Survive
      Rules: Normal citizen. No powers, just your wits and a desire to live
      Victory: Town Wins
  
• Doppelganger
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill
     Flavor: Doppelgangers kill using their teeth and claws. They generally feast upon the flesh of their victims, and often leave nothing but a pool of blood as evidence
      Rules: Body-snatching, man-eating monster. You want to feast on human flesh and avoid being caught
      Victory: Doppelgangers Win
  
• Doppelganger leader
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Doppelganger
      Visible Race: Human
      Goal: Kill
     Flavor: Doppelgangers kill using their teeth and claws. They generally feast upon the flesh of their victims, and often leave nothing but a pool of blood as evidence
      Rules: More powerful and adept then the others, the leader is immune to detection by Agent or Detective short of death. The Telepath will still receive a 'kill' goal from the Dopp Leader, however.
      Victory: Doppelgangers Win
  
• Advanced Doppelganger
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill
     Flavor: Doppelgangers kill using their teeth and claws. They generally feast upon the flesh of their victims, and often leave nothing but a pool of blood as evidence
      Rules: An experimental advanced version of the doppelganger. Once per game the advanced doppelganger can Consume and Replace the target for that night. In game terms, the player who was the doppelganger is now out of the game (although he still wins with the dopps), and the player targeted by the advanced dopp becomes a doppelganger. This new form of doppelganger is unstable, however, and cannot have any other abilities. Any abilities possessed by the Consumed character are lost, including Mind Shield. The advanced doppelganger shows up as a normal doppelganger would to all investigative roles. Aliens cannot be Consumed, but the once-per-game limit on the ability is not used up if the Adv. Dopp tries to consume them.
      Victory: Doppelgangers Win
  
• Tough Doppelganger
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill
     Flavor: Doppelgangers kill using their teeth and claws. They generally feast upon the flesh of their victims, and often leave nothing but a pool of blood as evidence
      Rules: Similar to a normal doppelganger, but much tougher. The Tough doppelganger is immune to a regular Night Kill. Certain tech kills, like the Plasma Bomb, are still effective.
      Victory: Doppelgangers Win
  
• War Vet
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill (If active)
     Flavor: The War vet uses guns, explosives, or booby traps to kill anyone that visits them.
      Rules: Is trigger happy and will kill anyone visiting them at night, although they still die if the night target was deadly. Can choose to turn off this ability for a night (leaving themselves vulnerable). A Role-Blocked War Vet loses their kill ability for the night.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Vigilante
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill
     Flavor: The Vigilante uses guns to kill his target, regardless of Race
      Rules: This character is similar to the war vet, story wise. However, while the War Vet stays at home and shoots anything that moves, the Vigilante goes out hunting himself. He gets one kill each night. If he is a dopp, he may either perform the group night-kill or his own kill.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Agent
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find
      Rules: An FBI agent investigating the situation. Can investigate one person per night to determine their Race. Roles with a 'Visible Race' tag will show that Race instead of their true race.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Detective
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find
      Rules: During the night, the Detective can investigate a character to determine what role, if any, the character possesses. Roles with the 'Visible Role' tag will show that role instead of thier actual Role..
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Telepath
      [Psychic]
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find
      Rules: The Telepath has limited psychic powers. Once per night, the Telepath can investigate a player and use their powers to determine the goal that character had that night based on their Role and Actions taken. The Telepath need not leave his house to use his powers. Players who performed 'No Action' return their racial default (Kill for Dopps, Survive for Human) unless their role dictates otherwise. Aliens depend on the Alien type and what Tech they have.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Medium
      [Psychic]
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find (Always)
      Rules: The medium can freely communicate with Dead characters via PM/Ghost Chat. This ability works during both the Day and Night phases.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Reporter
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find
      Rules: Years of following celebrities around has given this person the ability to track anyone anywhere and keep out of sight in the process. Each night the Reporter can choose to either follow someone to see where they go or watch to see if anyone visits them that night. The Reporter does NOT get any more information about what happens, only the location visited or the people at the location. Attempting to follow a War Vet is still fatal, of course.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Sneak
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find
     Flavor: A curious and somewhat timid individual who sneaks into another player's house at night. They both see if they are home and stay there for the night in case someone hunts them down at their house.
      Rules: The Sneak may target another player during the night phase. If they do so, they learn whether or not that player leaves their house at night. They also remain at that location through the night, and are untargetable themselves except by psychic powers. However, anyone who targets their target will get them as well.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Bodyguard
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Protect
     Flavor: When killed while performing a Protection the Bodyguard's remains will be found somewhere outside of their room/house.
      Rules: The Bodyguard is randomly given one of four abilities at the start of the game. The bodyguard uses these abilities to protect another player during the night.
         
  • Heroic Guard: The bodyguard will protect the other player with their life. This variant will sacrifice themself to prevent all night-kills targeting the other player from effecting them. The Bodyguard dies at the end of the night.
  • Observant Guard: The bodyguard will protect the other player with their life. This variant protects against the first night-kill against their target, and will determine the identity of the attacker and pass on this information to their guarded target. The Bodyguard dies at the end of the night.
  • Vengeful Guard: The bodyguard will protect the other player with their life. This variant protects against the first night-kill against their target and kills the attacker in the process. The Bodyguard dies at the end of the night.
  • Guardian: This powerful bodyguard will prevent one kill attempt on the target that night. The Guardian is not killed by doing so.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Psychic Warden
      [Psychic]
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Protect
     Flavor: The Psychic Warden uses invisible psychic chains to bind his target. The target will feel a binding sensation trapping thier limbs as well as rapid exhaustion that puts them to sleep. The Psychic Warden will always have a candle and metal chain in their room.
      Rules: The psychic warden can use his abilities to foil other characters. Each night he can pick a character. That character cannot take any role-related actions for that night and following day. The Psychic Warden does not need to leave his house to use this power. All targets, regardless of role, will be aware that they have been tampered with.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Mad Scientist
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Based on Tech or Actions
     Flavor: The Flavor of a Mad Scientist will generally depend on the tech chosen.
      Rules: The Mad Scientist has been secretly working on his amazing project in the town. He was going to sell it to the government, but due to the current disaster, he's going to have to give it an early field test. At the beginning of the game the Mad Scientist picks one of three technologies to start the game with, depending on which Variant they are. All Mad Scientists have access to the Mind Shield and Anti-Tech field.
      Variants:
         
  • Military Scientist
  • Assassin bot: Once per game the MS can use the assassin bot to perform a Morning Kill on another player. This attack cannot be traced back to the Mad Scientist.
  • Sentry Guns: Functions like the War Vet, attacking and killing anyone who comes snooping around the Mad Scientist's house. However, it has limited ammo (it is just a prototype version), and only works for one night once triggered. Should the Mad Scientist be attacked, it is the Sentry Gun that is destroyed not the Scientist. Once destroyed, the Sentry gun cannot protect against any further attacks that night. The Sentry Guns can be programmed with face recognition to allow safe passage to people that the Mad Scientist deems trustworthy. This can be changed on a night-per-night basis.
  • EMP Pulse Bomb: This device is a one-shot item used at night. All Tech devices are shorted out that night. Any actions relying on a tech device are blocked. Tech devices can be fixed the following night, but this uses up any Night Actions of that player.
  
  
  • Cutting Edge Scientist
  • Body Double: A perfect body double. It could be organic, robotic, even a hologram. Regardless, it takes his place in dangerous situations while he stays safe. It's a one-use item, though, so he's vulnerable after it's been destroyed.(No longer prevents lynches, but stops all other forms of death/capture)
  • Mind Control Ray: Once per game the MS can use the Mind Control Ray to choose another player's target for the night. If the player does not have a night action (and is not the dopp chosen for the night kill), or if the player has a limited-use night ability and chose not to use it, then no action occurs. The Ray also allows the Scientist to control that player's vote during the next day and may change it as often as he wishes. Its effect is fairly obvious, however.
  • Psychic Pulser: This device is a one-shot item used at night. All Psychic players (excluding Mind Shields) are blocked for that night and cannot use any Psychic Abilities until the following Night. Mediums can read dead chat but cannot post in it until the following night.
   
  
  • Intelligence Scientist
  • Surveillance System: A highly advanced security system watches over the Mad Scientist's house. He knows the identity of anyone who visits his house during the night a well as thier general purpose (Find, Protect, Kill). Of course, if it's to kill him he finds that out the hard way.
  • Snooper bot: This little bug-bot can trail another player at night and see where they go (if anywhere).
  • Advanced Tracking Devices: These devices are planted on players during the day. Once planted they show where the tracked individual is. If the player being tracked is killed, the device is lost. The Scientist starts with 2 devices and can create more devices by spending two nights working to build one.
   
  • All types of Mad Scientist can build the following
  • Mind Shield: The Mind Shield gives the user a Mind Shield. Should the user already possess a Natural Mind Shield, it will be upgraded to an Advanced Mind Shield. An advanced mind shield provides the same protection as a normal mind shield, but has the added benefit of always appearing to work to the one using psychic powers against the user. Telepaths will always receive a 'Survive' result, Psychic Wardens will not know their power is blocked, and so on.
  • Anti-Tech Field: The Anti-Tech Field gives the user a Anti-Tech Field. Should the user already possess a Natural Anti-Tech Field, it will be upgraded to an Advanced Anti-Tech Field. An Advanced Anti-Tech Field provides the same protection as a normal Anti-Tech Field, but has the added benefit of always appearing to work to the one using tech items against the user (Except for killing techs). Tracking devices will show the player at home, Scanners will show Vanilla Townie, etc. Single-target One Shot items ARE used up when used against an Advanced Anti-Tech field.
     
          Due to their mechanical nature, the Inventions cannot be stopped by a Psychic Warden
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Enchanter
      [Psychic]
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Survive
      Rules: The Enchanter uses his Psychic abilities to make people weight his vote more than others. His votes count double. If at any point there are more Mind Shields then regular players, this power will not work.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Rogue Doppelganger
      Race: Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill
      Rules: A lone Doppelganger from a previous infiltration, either seeking to protect it's new hunting area or to rejoin others of its kind. Acts as a third party with either Town Ally or Dopp Ally win condition (set at the start of the game), but does not know who the dopp team are in either case. Once during the game the Rogue Doppelganger may Night Kill another player.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Xenozoologist
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Find
      Tech: 1 Medium Tech Slot
      Rules: The Alien Scientist is on earth to capture one example of each species for study (1 human, 1 psychic human, 1 doppelganger, 1 alien). Each night he may choose to Abduct a player. If that player is of a race he does not have, they are removed from the game and kept for study. If he already has one, they are returned to play the following morning. The Scientist and all of his captives may freely PM one another. Once he has 1 of each, he wins and he and all abducted players are removed from the game. If he is killed, all abducted players are returned to the game. If the game ends and he does not have one of each, he loses. He only obstructs the win condition of the Exterminator.
      Victory: Captures 1 normal human, 1 psychic human, 1 doppelganger, and 1 alien
  
• Survivor
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Survive
      Rules: The Alien is there for some other purpose, and is simply hiding as a human. Their only goal is to survive until the end of the game. They win as long as they are alive, regardless of which side wins.
      Tech: 1 Small Tech Slot
      Victory: Is alive and unabducted at the end of the game
  
• Exterminator
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Kill
     Flavor: The Exterminator kills using high-tech energy weapons or rather brutal bladed weapons.
      Rules: The doppelganger infestation is a danger to the Alien's people, and it and all traces of it must be wiped from the Earth. The Alien kills one person a night. The Alien wins when all non-ext aligned players are dead. The Exterminator does not need to be alive to win. The Exterminator always has a natural Mind Shield or Anti-Tech Field (Player's choice).
      Tech: 1 Medium and 1 Large Tech Slot
      Victory: All non-Exterminator aligned players are dead
  
• Exterminator Operative
      Visible Role: Operative
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Based on Action
      Rules: The Operative is sent along with the Exterminator to aid them in their task. The Operative and the Exterminator may freely exchange Tech between them.
      Tech: 1 Medium and 2 Small Slots
      Victory: All non-Exterminator aligned players are dead
  
• Agent Operative
      Visible Role: Operative
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Based on Action
      Rules: This Operative is working with the government and has been sent along to assist an Agent in aiding the town. The Operative is not told who the Agent is until the First Night, however. In addition, the government has no way of knowing if the Agent is still human. The Operative should use caution when contacting the agent.
      Tech: 1 Medium and 2 Small Slots
      Victory: Town wins
  
• Spore Spreader
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Kill
      Rules: This alien organism has been engineered to spread by spores and take over hosts. For one reason or another, this Bioweapon has been set loose. There are two types of Spore Spreaders.
          Infester: The Infester must manually go to targets as a Night Action, infesting the target with Spores. The goal of the Infester is to have ALL surviving players at the end of the game infected with spores. The Infester need not be alive to win, and in fact when Lynched (but not killed otherwise), the Infester releases a spore cloud that randomly infects one of the non-infected players. The spores of this Alien are biological/nanomachine hybrids, and are therefore blocked by a Tech Shield. Guards may protect the target, and will be effected as normal for the guard type by the infection.
          Bloom: This Spore Spreader has a special ability that allows it to Seed the area with Alien plants at night once during the game. All players will be made aware of the plants the following morning. That day, the players MUST perform a lynch. If the SS is lynched that day, it will send forth a cloud of chemicals that will activate the plants. The plants then release spores that convert all other players into Spore Spreaders, and winning the game for the SS. If the SS is not lynched, then it will die the following night and lose.
      Tech: 0 Slots
      Victory: All players at game end Infected/The Spore Spreader must be lynched the day following the Seeding.
  
• Hivemind
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Kill/Protect
      Rules: The Hivemind is an Alien on the run. Using either Technology or advanced Psychic Powers (Player's choice at start) the Hivemind dominates the humans in the town in order to ensure its survival. Once per night the Hivemind Alien chooses a player to convert. If the player is human, and does not have the appropriate blocking ability, they join the Hivemind's faction. Converted players keep their current role, but switch teams and win condition. If the Hivemind dies, all converted players die with them.
        Psychic Hivemind: Mentally dominates a human using Psychic powers. Blocked by Mind Shield. Advanced Mind Shield shows as 'Non Human' regardless of race. Can by role-blocked by Psychic Wardens. As a Psychic Being, the Hivemind cannot take a Mind Shield as tech.
        Tech Hivemind: Uses advanced technology to dominate a human. Blocked by Anti-Tech Field. Advanced Anti-Tech Field shows as 'Non Human' regardless of race. Cannot be role-blocked, but the target can be Guarded. A sacrificial Guard will be converted instead of the intended target. A Guardian will be able to protect the target and not get converted themselves.
      Tech: 1 Medium Slot
      Victory: The Hivemind wins when all opposing groups are dead and the town has no way of stopping them (Vig, War Vet, etc)
  
• Harvester
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Kill/Find
      Rules: The Harvester is collecting things for its own purposes. There are two different types of Harvesters. A Harvester may choose to Abduct another player during the Night Phase.
        Organ Harvester - The Abducted player is killed. The Harvester acts as a Doom Speaker, and is building an Abomination. After some # of nights (based on player count) the Abomination is released and performs a Night Kill attempt on every player.
        Mind Stealer - Takes the Role from the Abducted player and adds it to their stockpile. The abducted player reverts to a vanilla role for the rest of the game (Aliens will all become survivors). The Mind Stealer begins the game with 2 Roles available (1 Investigative, 1 Random). The Mind Stealer may choose to take on any Role in its stockpile for the next Day/Night phase and use that role instead of Abducting. If the MS chooses a Robot instead of Tech slots they may give the Robot a Role each day from their stockpile. The Robot can use that role in addition to any actions the MS takes, and the MS also begins with a Bodyguard Role of their choice in addition to the other two. The Mind Stealer needs to steal X 'points' worth of Roles to win. Points per role will be revealed to the MS during the role PM.   
      Tech: OH - 0 Slots    MS - 1 Robot or 2 Small Tech slots
      Victory: Organ Harvester wins when all other players are dead. The OH must be alive at the end of the game. The Mind Stealer wins if it has stolen enough points worth of Roles.
  

    All aliens get to pick from the following set of equipment to start the game with, based on the number of Tech slots listed under their role. An alien can only have 1 of any given item unless otherwise noted.

    Item list:
   

• Small Tech
• Personal Shield: Works once as though guarded by the Guardian. Will also protect against Morningkills.
• Mind Shield: The Mind Shield gives the user a Mind Shield. Should the user already possess a Natural Mind Shield, it will be upgraded to an Advanced Mind Shield. An advanced mind shield provides the same protection as a normal mind shield, but has the added benefit of always appearing to work to the one using psychic powers against the user. Telepaths will always receive a 'Survive' result, Psychic Wardens will not know their power is blocked, and so on. Stacks with a natural or tech-based Anti-Tech Field.
• Anti-Tech Field: The Anti-Tech Field gives the user a Anti-Tech Field. Should the user already possess a Natural Anti-Tech Field, it will be upgraded to an Advanced Anti-Tech Field. An Advanced Anti-Tech Field provides the same protection as a normal Anti-Tech Field, but has the added benefit of always appearing to work to the one using tech items against the user (Except for killing techs). Tracking devices will show the player at home, Scanners will show Vanilla Townie, etc. Single-target One Shot items ARE used up when used against an Advanced Anti-Tech field. Stacks with a natural or tech-based Mind Shield.
• Holoform Modulator: Works once when investigated, allowing the alien to choose a role and race to show as. Once activated it lasts the entire night but is used up after that.
• Scanner: Works once as a combination of the Agent and Detective, showing both Race and Role as well as any gadgets or tech possessed by the player. The scanner bypasses all role effects on investigation (such as the Kook or Dopp Leader). The scanner does not use up the Alien's action, nor does it trigger any responses by the target (such as PWV or Reporter watching a location). Can be taken as a two-use item for a Medium tech slot.
• Hold-out Blaster: If the Alien is lynched, he pulls out the blaster and gets to shoot a single target before dying. If he is night-killed, he gets a shot off on his attacker (although he still suffers the effect of the attack). This is a one-shot item.
• Stun Orb: Allows the Alien to stun another player, preventing them from taking any actions that night or using any active abilities the following day (Role-block another player). 1 Use, does use up the alien's action. Does not trigger War Vet/Turret response.  Can be taken as a two-use item for a Medium tech slot.
     
     
• Medium Tech
• Advanced Holoform Modulator: Works as the Holoform Modulator, but also allows the Alien to project an active hologram. This hologram can be shown to go to any location (or stay at home). Anyone following the Alien will watch the Hologram instead of the Alien. In addition, the Advanced Holoform Modulator will screen against Psychic and Tech detection as well. It will not, however, protect the alien from a War Vet or Sentry Guns at the location they actually visit. Once activated it lasts the entire night but is used up after that.
• Permanent Holoform Modulator: Works as the Holoform Modulator, but is not used up when inspected.
• Assassin bot: Once per game the Alien can use the assassin bot to Morning-kill another player. This attack cannot be traced back to the Alien. In addition, it is triggered remotely and can be used even while abducted.
• Mind Control Ray: Once per game the Alien can use the Mind Control Ray to choose another player's target for the night as well as their vote for the next day. If the player does not have a night action (and is not the dopp/cultist chosen for the night kill), or if the player has a limited-use night ability and chose not to use it, then no action occurs. The alien still controls the vote on the next day.
• Stun Bomb: Allows the Alien to stun the entire town, preventing any player from using an Action for that night or using any active abilities the following day. The Alien who uses it is unaffected. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.
• Combat Camouflage: A combination of weapons and accessories that allows the Exterminator to mask his kills as if they came from any source (Vig, Dopp, or Abduction). Also works on kills made by Assassin Bots.
• EMP Pulse Emitter: Can be used to Target a single player each night. Any Tech devices used by that player that night are shorted out and must be fixed the following night. If the player's action relied on the Tech item, they are roleblocked. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.
• Psychic Pulse Emitter: Can be used to Target a single player each night. Prevents the player from using any Psychic Abilities (except for a Mind Shield) for that night and the next day phase. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.
     
     
• Large Tech
• Intel You begin the game with Intel on the survivors in the town. This gives you a list of all Roles in the game, but not who has them. You may choose any other techs you get after receiving the information from Intel. Large tech slot.
• Plasma Bomb: One use per game, can be chosen in lieu of a nightkill, which will kill the target, and anyone interacting with the target, and anyone interacting with them, and so on. Cannot be protected against. It is triggered remotely, so the Alien is smart enough to stay out of the Blast Radius, and is therefore unaffected (assuming he's not targeting himself for some reason). Can also be used while abducted. Only effects people physically at that location (so Psychics are fine). Large tech slot.
• Replicator: Large Tech Slot. The Replicator Can create a single Medium Tech item or two Small tech items before it runs out of energy and materials. Allows the Alien more flexibility to respond to changing situations in exchange for the more powerful items that would need to be brought at the outset.
• Advanced Targeting System: Large Tech slot. Using this advanced weapon allows an Exterminator to bypass all forms of protection on a target. A Night Kill from an alien with this system cannot be prevented.
• Advanced Assassin bot: Once per game the Alien can use the assassin bot to Day-kill another player. This attack cannot be traced back to the Alien. In addition, it is triggered remotely and can be used even while abducted. Activation of this device must be done via PM to the mod. Once activated it will kill the player before the day ends.
   

Alien Tech can be passed between players as long as both players agree to the trade. This must be done via PM at Night. Tech can be used the night it is passed, but can only be used by one person per night (if it is a multi-use item).

Attributes

• Mind Shield
      [Psychic]
      Race: Any
      Rules: This character is completely immune to all Psychic effects and abilities (Telepath and Psychic Warden). The Mind Shield is not a role in itself, but an ability granted to a non-psychic character that may or may not already have a role. Psychic characters will be aware of a Mind Shield blocking their abilities. The character with a Mind Shield will know that they were targeted but not the specific effect.
  
• Anti-Tech Field
      [Psychic]
      Race: Any
      Rules: This character is completely immune to all Tech effects and abilities (Mad Scientist and Alien tech). The Anti-Tech Field is not a role in itself, but an ability granted to a non-psychic character that may or may not already have a role. Tech characters will be aware that their item was blocked. Single Target one-shot items are not used up, but the action is wasted. The character with an anti-tech field will know that they were targeted but not the specific effect.
  
• Kook
      Race: Human
      Visible Race: Doppelganger
      Rules: The guy who's always seemed a bit "off" to everyone. Now his behavior has gotten even more erratic. It's really due to stress from the killings and whatnot, but it makes the Agent confuse him for a Doppelganger.
  
• Spirit-bond
      [Psychic]
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Rules: When this player dies they may choose another living player to bond with. That night they visit that player as a ghost and offers them their power. If that player accepts, they lose any abilities they may have had and gain the ghost's abilities instead.
  

     

Definitions:
    Doppelganger: These foul creatures kill and eat humans, taking on all of their memories and abilities. Once they have a form, most doppelgangers cannot change again. They are a flawed species, and possess and uncontrollable blood lust forcing them to kill and eat humans each night. Their goal is to destroy all of the humans in the town and make their way out into the larger world.
    Night Kill: Any kill that happens during the Night Phase. The Doppelgangers each get 1 Night Kill as a group, in addition to any allowed by Roles.
    Morningkill: A morning kill happens between the night and day phase, and cannot be prevented by abilities that prevent night kills (Such as the Guardian). A Morning Kill will always look like it recently happened.
    Abduction: When a player abducts another player, two things happen. First, the abducted player is role-blocked for the night. Second, that player is removed from play for that night (and possibly the game). While removed, they cannot be the target of any other night action and cannot vote or be lynched during the day. Exceptions: The Paranoid War Vet and Sentry Gun are not role-blocked by an abduction, and will kill the player attempting the abduction. Abducted players are not role-flipped until their abductor leaves the game.

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I've written a perl script to pick roles and whatnot randomly. It has some rules that it follows, but it should make for a nice amount of randomness to the set-up. Note that while I'll generally just go with whatever it spits out, I may make modifications to the set-up in order to make a more interesting game or to test out a specific feature. Also note that I will intentionally mess or not mess with stuff just to screw up anyone depending on the Gambler's Fallacy.

Note that the script NO LONGER restricts most roles to only one or two per side. Being able to use meta-game deduction to determine that someone must be town/scum breaks the game, so I've removed the aspects of the game that allow that.

Not all roles are guaranteed. In fact, it's quite possible to have a game with nothing but normal doppelgangers and humans.


General Rules:
 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

  Rule on PMs: Private Messages are allowed. However, you may only PM one other player at a time and I must be copied on all PMs. Failure to do so will result in very bad things happening to you. In addition you may NOT quote any PM from me, either your initial Role-PM or any role-related PMs. (Night role results, etc).  I'll make an exception for specifically rules-related questions. This is to keep the suspense and uncertainty in the game high. You're not supposed to know if the other person is lying or not, and quoting me gives too much weight to whatever it is you're saying.

  The Game will have a set Maximum game-day that it will go to. At that point, any players who have not already achieved their victory conditions will lose. I will give ample warning beforehand if this event is imminent. This is to prevent stalemates from developing and dragging a game out forever.
 
  Nights will last for 24 hours or until I've heard from each player with a night role, whichever comes first.
    In the event of night role collision, see the order of precedence below. All actions within the same level are assumed to happen simultaneously.
    The Doppelgangers may choose to skip their night kill. They may only do this twice in a row before their bloodlust forces them to kill.

  Days will last for 72 hours or until everyone has voted (if there is a long period of inactivity after everyone votes I'll end the day to keep things moving).
    In the event of a tie, no lynch will occur.

  Extensions: Extensions are no longer possible except by me for extraordinary circumstances.

  Shortening: Since shortening can have such a huge effect on the game it requires a Majority of living players voting for it to occur. (Over %50)

  Conditional voting is currently unavailable, so you'll either have to vote carefully or make sure you log on before the end of the day if you want to change your vote.

  All votes should be colored red to make it easy for me to spot them.

  Inactive players who are up for Replacement will have their Vote cleared to prevent an unmovable vote from screwing up the game.

  Speaking While Dead: The dead may post once after they have died to comment on their death. They may not provide any information about the game in this post. After this, any posting in the game before it has ended will result in a one game ban from future Paranormal games. Repeated abuse, or posts that have a major impact on the game, can result in a perma-ban from any future Paranormal games (and probably a lot of other Forum games as well as word gets around).

  Dead may freely PM a Medium character if that role is present in the game.

  Doppelgangers and the Dead will have special chat areas on my Discord server. You will need to be on my Server prior to game start to play. I will grant you access to you at the start of the game or when you die. A Medium will have access to the Dead channel. The Dead channel will start with a statement of whether or not there is a Medium in the game.

  Event Order: The order of events is as follows:

    Mind Control
    Pure Role-blockers
    Abductors
    Protectors
    Investigators
    Night Kills/Conversions (The War Vet (or equivalent) is sort of an exception, in that he'll kill anyone who targets them on THEIR turn, rather than his)

  All kills will be effectively simultaneous. (I may make some literary liberties with this in the PMs, but there won't be any cases like the Dopps->Exterminator->Townie chain like Game 2 had)
 
  A Pure Role-blocker is a Psychic Warden, Stun Orb, or similar effect that's only purpose is to role-block. Since all role-blocks happen at the same time, a Role-blocker is effectively unblockable.

 

  Feel free to ask for clarification on any rule.
 

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [0/9+]
Post by: webadict on December 28, 2022, 02:09:56 pm

in

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [1/9+]
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 28, 2022, 02:34:57 pm

Never tried one of these before. In.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [1/9+]
Post by: hector13 on December 28, 2022, 02:38:15 pm

I’ll decide closer to the time.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [2/9+]
Post by: ToonyMan on December 28, 2022, 02:45:10 pm

I'll join.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [2/9+]
Post by: notquitethere on December 28, 2022, 03:09:55 pm

It'd be a sin to miss!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [2/9+]
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 28, 2022, 03:33:10 pm

in

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [5/9+]
Post by: Knightwing64 on December 28, 2022, 07:16:09 pm

IN for the winnnn

I’m watching you Max. No funny moves buddy.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [5/9+]
Post by: Knightwing64 on December 28, 2022, 07:19:30 pm

Wait, so doppelgängers have the abilities of the role they are faking as well as the doppelgänger racial abilities?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [5/9+]
Post by: Mephansteras on December 28, 2022, 08:01:59 pm

Quote from: Knightwing64 on December 28, 2022, 07:19:30 pm

Wait, so doppelgängers have the abilities of the role they are faking as well as the doppelgänger racial abilities?

Not quite. The only 'racial' ability dopps all have is basically the Mafia kill. There are some doppelgänger specific roles they can get, or they can have a role that humans could also have. They're not faking the role in that case, they legitimately have it. But you won't get, say, a Tough/Reporter dopp or anything like that.

Flavor-wise they take over the knowledge, skills, memory, and form of the person they consume first. But from a mechanical standpoint a dopp is just mafia.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [6/9+]
Post by: Vector on December 29, 2022, 12:27:19 am

In!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [7/9+]
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 29, 2022, 03:49:28 am

In.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [7/9+]
Post by: Shakerag on December 29, 2022, 09:29:36 am

PTW, have to see how things look next week.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [8/9+]
Post by: Mephansteras on January 02, 2023, 02:14:11 pm

Happy new year, everyone!

Could still use one or more people to fill out the roster, but if needed we can run with 8.

How soon would folks like to start?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [8/9+]
Post by: Vector on January 02, 2023, 02:22:11 pm

Let's wait a little and see if we can't get more ... 8 is so little ...

C'mon nerds, join!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [8/9+]
Post by: hector13 on January 02, 2023, 02:23:44 pm

I will in if there are fewer than 9 players by the time it starts.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [8/9+]
Post by: TricMagic on January 02, 2023, 02:24:26 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 02, 2023, 02:23:44 pm

I will in if there are fewer than 9 players by the time it starts.

I will if you will.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [8/9+]
Post by: hector13 on January 02, 2023, 04:06:26 pm

Let’s make it awkwardly numbered then.

in

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [8/9+]
Post by: TricMagic on January 02, 2023, 04:33:49 pm

IN

Never awkward if one's a cultist.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [10/9+]
Post by: Mephansteras on January 02, 2023, 05:14:58 pm

Cool, that gives us 10. I can work with that, though people can still join for a bit.

Signups will go through most of Tues 1/3. I'll close them that evening (pacific time) and get working on the role PMs. Game will start Wednesday morning.

Sound good?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [10/9+]
Post by: notquitethere on January 02, 2023, 05:15:39 pm

Works for me!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [10/9+]
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 02, 2023, 05:30:18 pm

That works

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [10/9+]
Post by: hector13 on January 02, 2023, 05:37:59 pm

It works.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [10/9+]
Post by: EuchreJack on January 02, 2023, 09:52:21 pm

I don't really have the time for this...

IN

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [10/9+]
Post by: hector13 on January 02, 2023, 10:11:18 pm

I have an angry teething 9 month old, you’ll be fiiiiine.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [11/9+]
Post by: Mephansteras on January 03, 2023, 08:32:48 pm

Ok, closing sign-ups. I'll work on the role PMs and whatnot this evening and we can get started tomorrow.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - [SET UP IN PROGRESS]
Post by: Vector on January 04, 2023, 12:27:02 am

FYI there's a huge storm going through California for the next two days and power outages are likely. I am still on break and will post if I have internet.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - [SET UP IN PROGRESS]
Post by: Mephansteras on January 04, 2023, 01:39:06 pm

  You were warned, before taking this assignment, that only the most desperate come out to this outpost. But, of course, you were desperate, and the money was good. It had to be, to lure anyone out to this barren chunk of rock on the outskirts of populated space.

  Things were ok, for a while. Sure, you needed breathers to go outside the habs and what little entertainment was available went into repeats after the first few months, but it wasn’t terribly hard. Monitor the frequencies, keep the drones running and shipments on schedule. Dream of retirement some day with all the money you’re making that you have nowhere to spend.

  Things were ok. Until they weren’t.

  Francois vanished. Went out to check on a busted antennae and just never came back. Then Yoyo disappeared. Just…wasn’t there when the next shift came over to relieve her from the comms. Nothing missing from her room, no notes. Nothing.

 Then the comms went out. Some defect in the structure caused the tower to just crumple over, cables snapping and multimillion dollar equipment smashed into useless scrap in an instant. A few people started talking about it being sabotage at that point. Lots of side glances and suspicious glares to go around. Sure, the backup comms still work, but those are short range and the next ship isn’t supposed to be here for a month. Even if the Corp figures out something is wrong before that, it’ll probably be another quarter before a replacement can get sent out and installed.

  And, finally, it was the pods. Three of them tumbling out onto the loading dock as you searched in vain for some replacement parts to try and get the comms up and running again.

Doppelgangers.

 You’d all heard the stories, of course. Old documentaries from Earth and the early colonies. Stories from around the Sector. But dopps hadn’t been heard of in decades. And why would they be here?

 Doesn’t matter much. They are here, and your lives are all on the line. You can’t follow protocol and wait for the Corp to send in professionals, so you’ll have to do what they did in the early days. Look for clues. Find those who are suspicious. Vote them out, and kill them.

---

Still working on some role PMs, so game isn't started yet. But I thought people might enjoy reading the opening flavor a bit before we actually start.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Mephansteras on January 04, 2023, 09:23:41 pm

Game is up!

Day 1 will go until ~5pm Pacific Saturday

Have fun!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 09:35:25 pm

Knightwing

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 04, 2023, 09:36:26 pm

Aight! This is very much my first Paranormal game. Makes me feel a little fuzzy to be part of such a long, ongoing series. Like I'm finally a real mafia player.

Hm, I think the rules need to be updated, they still reference quicktopic, which unfortunately is defunct.

Now then. We are obligated to throw random questions at each other until someone steps out of line and is dogpiled to death, thus providing useful information for a productive Day 2. Let's have at it.

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Knightwing64: What's your role?

webadict: What's the most important thing to note about Paranormal Mafia?

ToonyMan: Would you trust hector13 with a Hivemind role?

TricMagic: What's your favorite food? This is a softball question.

notquitethere: What role are you going to breadcrumb in your first post?

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Quote from: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 09:35:25 pm

Knightwing

Okie-dokie. hector13.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2023, 09:37:03 pm

I am town and have no cool powers. :(

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 09:44:22 pm

I forgot FoU was playing!

Quick make an oblique reference to a game we were both in years ago so people start thinking you’re sending secret messages.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 04, 2023, 09:45:14 pm

Why oh why.

TricMagic. Might as well get rid of me now, we know what happens otherwise.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 04, 2023, 09:46:22 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 04, 2023, 09:36:26 pm

TricMagic: What's your favorite food? This is a softball question.

Ask the hardbreaded questions Fal, not this softball stuff. Not even edible, softballs.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 04, 2023, 10:51:49 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 04, 2023, 09:36:26 pm

ToonyMan: Would you trust hector13 with a Hivemind role?

I don't know?

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2023, 09:37:03 pm

I am town and have no cool powers. :(

That's how it be sometime my fellow Townie.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 04, 2023, 09:45:14 pm

TricMagic.

Now, this is a game all about how
Tric's life got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you why we should vote TricMagic
In the Bay12 born and raised
On the forums was where Tric spent most of his days
Chillin' out, postin', relaxin', all cool
And all shootin' some town confirmed players (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180540.msg8439913#msg8439913) during Kill JJT Now
When a couple of mafia who were up to no good
Started making trouble in his neighborhood
Tric protected one from the town vigs (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8364062#msg8364062) and Toony got scared
He said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in MU"
Tric begged and pleaded with him day after day
But Toony wouldn't have any so Tric shot him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178633.msg8289078#msg8289078) for no reason
Tric looked at his kingdom (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426901#msg8426901)
He was finally there
To sit on his throne as the prince of Drag-Air

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2023, 11:00:58 pm

Lol, okay, I'm convinced. TricMagic

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 11:01:08 pm

You missed some verses, and formatted it poorly, so I refuse to go along with it.

If we’re policy voting we should policy vote NQT for being British.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 04, 2023, 11:01:59 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 09:44:22 pm

I forgot FoU was playing!

Quick make an oblique reference to a game we were both in years ago so people start thinking you’re sending secret messages.

Cryptologist NJW isn't here to make me question farfetched hidden numbers.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 04, 2023, 11:03:18 pm

Man this game is only six seven ten posts in but it's jam packed full of significant interaction and more than a little passive aggressive behavior.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 04, 2023, 09:36:26 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 09:35:25 pm

Knightwing

Okie-dokie. hector13.

I am genuinely okay with this vote on hector13.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 04, 2023, 09:45:14 pm

Why oh why.

TricMagic. Might as well get rid of me now, we know what happens otherwise.

:|

What if

we started the game being counterproductive for no reason

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2023, 09:37:03 pm

I am town and have no cool powers. :(

You get zero points because yours is the least interesting post so far.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 04, 2023, 10:51:49 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 04, 2023, 09:45:14 pm

TricMagic.

Now, this is a game all about how
Tric's life got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you why we should vote TricMagic
In the Bay12 born and raised
On the forums was where Tric spent most of his days
Chillin' out, postin', relaxin', all cool
And all shootin' some town confirmed players (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180540.msg8439913#msg8439913) during Kill JJT Now
When a couple of mafia who were up to no good
Started making trouble in his neighborhood
Tric protected one from the town vigs (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8364062#msg8364062) and Toony got scared
He said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in MU"
Tric begged and pleaded with him day after day
But Toony wouldn't have any so Tric shot him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178633.msg8289078#msg8289078) for no reason
Tric looked at his kingdom (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426901#msg8426901)
He was finally there
To sit on his throne as the prince of Drag-Air

clapemoji clapemoji clapemoji



I don't remember the last time I played a non bastard Paranormal. I think it's been almost eight years.

Anyways we should lynch Vector because they're not going to post very much and they'll attract negative attention because of it and I don't know their alignment this game.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2023, 11:00:58 pm

Lol, okay, I'm convinced. TricMagic

Fuck it, whatever.

TricMagic.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 11:09:59 pm

CHOO CHOO (that autocorrects to capitalized in my phone for some reason)

Tric

I don’t think hammers are in effect, but in case they are that’s 1 vote off a majority.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 04, 2023, 11:21:06 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 04, 2023, 11:03:18 pm

I don't remember the last time I played a non bastard Paranormal. I think it's been almost eight years.

I was looking at past games before this started, we were both last in Paranormal 24 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=147607.0) back at the start of 2015.

It had me not posting that much D1 and then killing a dopp (the only dopp that would die that game) by no effort of my own on N1 in a massively confusing War Vet mess.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 04, 2023, 11:30:30 pm

Oh hey we can PM in this game.

That'll be handy.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 04, 2023, 11:39:10 pm

So with PMs being an option and with many roles being confirmable in some way or another is there any reason not to do a Day 1 mass claim?

We know what roles are possible in this game so we don't have to deal with BYOR nonsense like ninja double actor redirect and roleblock immune scum players.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 04, 2023, 11:47:03 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 04, 2023, 09:36:26 pm

webadict: What's the most important thing to note about Paranormal Mafia?

You can PM.  That shit's broken, check this out.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 04, 2023, 11:39:10 pm

So with PMs being an option and with many roles being confirmable in some way or another is there any reason not to do a Day 1 mass claim?

We know what roles are possible in this game so we don't have to deal with BYOR nonsense like ninja double actor redirect and roleblock immune scum players.

Yeah, I'll go first.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 04, 2023, 11:50:28 pm

Also, while I'm totally down to clown on the clown, let's hold off on the (obviously correct) TricMagic vote for a... day?  Sure, like a fucking day, and then just hop back on that wagon.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 04, 2023, 11:51:57 pm

I'm budging.

My role is Enchanter, it gives me a double vote at end of day.
It's why I am NOT voting right now.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Mamobo on January 04, 2023, 11:54:59 pm

Vote Count
------------------------
-> TricMagic   --5-- TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442657#msg8442657), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442667#msg8442667), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442668#msg8442668), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442672#msg8442672), hector13* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442673#msg8442673),
hector13       --1-- FallacyofUrist* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442651#msg8442651),
EuchreJack     --0--
FallacyofUrist --0--
Jim Groovester --0--
Knightwing64   --0--
Maximum Spin   --0--
notquitethere  --0--
ToonyMan       --0--
Vector         --0--
webadict       --0--
No One         --0--

Not Voting     --5-- EuchreJack, Knightwing64, notquitethere, Vector, webadict,

6 to Hammer. Day ends on January 07, 2023 at 19:00 Central Standard Time (~68 hours remaining).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 04, 2023, 11:55:33 pm

Ignore the hammer note, this game doesn't have hammers TO SPITE ME.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 12:14:59 am

Could we all pretend Tric Does NOT Exist for say 24 hours, so we can get some more accurate votes?

I'll start by voting hector13.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 12:17:38 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 09:35:25 pm

Knightwing

Quote from: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 11:01:08 pm

You missed some verses, and formatted it poorly, so I refuse to go along with it.

If we’re policy voting we should policy vote NQT for being British.

Quote from: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 11:09:59 pm

CHOO CHOO (that autocorrects to capitalized in my phone for some reason)

Tric

I don’t think hammers are in effect, but in case they are that’s 1 vote off a majority.

@hector13: Please explain this sequence of events.
You vote Knightwing, then poo poo the Tric vote, then L-1 vote Tric. WTF buddy?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 12:17:59 am

The real bastard is that this was Bastard Paranormal 4 the whole time.

I've already planted a plasma bomb on the support pillar beneath our feet, we vote Tric today or I'm pressing the trigger and we all die in a pile of rubble.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 12:20:41 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 12:17:59 am

The real bastard is that this was Bastard Paranormal 4 the whole time.

I've already planted a plasma bomb on the support pillar beneath our feet, we vote Tric today or I'm pressing the trigger and we all die in a pile of rubble.

See, I think perhaps you don't understand my request.
We ignore Tric for 24 hours so we can have a "normal" day one, then Lynch Tric.  I'm inclined to agree to voting Tric myself, as the self-vote seems like a blatant appeal to emotion.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 12:22:38 am

It’s RVS, the game started at night, I am heavily sleep deprived, and I like jumping on wagons.

When it comes down to it - possibly some point in Saturday - I’m not voting out Tric because people think Tric is shit, hence suggesting we vote NQT for another arbitrary reason.

I do really like big RVS bandwagons tho

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 05, 2023, 12:23:33 am

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 12:14:59 am

Could we all pretend Tric Does NOT Exist for say 24 hours, so we can get some more accurate votes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI8wt5soxXE

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 12:17:59 am

The real bastard is that this was Bastard Paranormal 4 the whole time.

I've already planted a plasma bomb on the support pillar beneath our feet, we vote Tric today or I'm pressing the trigger and we all die in a pile of rubble.

Do it, coward.

bawkbawkbawkbawkbawk

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 12:14:59 am

Could we all pretend Tric Does NOT Exist for say 24 hours, so we can get some more accurate votes?

I'll start by voting hector13.

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 12:20:41 am

See, I think perhaps you don't understand my request.
We ignore Tric for 24 hours so we can have a "normal" day one, then Lynch Tric.  I'm inclined to agree to voting Tric myself, as the self-vote seems like a blatant appeal to emotion.

I don't like this EuchreJack.



More in a bit after I pretend to do cardio.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 12:27:48 am

Quote from: webadict on January 04, 2023, 11:50:28 pm

Also, while I'm totally down to clown on the clown, let's hold off on the (obviously correct) TricMagic vote for a... day?  Sure, like a fucking day, and then just hop back on that wagon.

*Quizzical face*

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 04, 2023, 11:51:57 pm

I'm budging.

My role is Enchanter, it gives me a double vote at end of day.
It's why I am NOT voting right now.

I'm not sure we should claim because mafia can better coordinate their night actions which I think helps them more? I regret claiming D1 in the previous game I was in because my information would have really helped though I may have died regardless.

PMs make things different in a way my peanut brain doesn't want to process right now.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Vector on January 05, 2023, 02:20:45 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 04, 2023, 11:03:18 pm

Anyways we should lynch Vector because they're not going to post very much and they'll attract negative attention because of it and I don't know their alignment this game.

[...]

Fuck it, whatever.

TricMagic.

Coward :3 uwu

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 04, 2023, 11:51:57 pm

My role is Enchanter, it gives me a double vote at end of day.
It's why I am NOT voting right now.

This is sus for me. There's no really helpful reason to claim a LYLO-breaker and in the context it's just giving you a shield to not vote.


Hmm... webadict.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 02:22:44 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 09:44:22 pm

I forgot FoU was playing!

Quick make an oblique reference to a game we were both in years ago so people start thinking you’re sending secret messages.

Oh hector, always the champion of the wacky stuff early on and the champion of the serious stuff later on.

Quote from: webadict on January 04, 2023, 11:47:03 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 04, 2023, 09:36:26 pm

webadict: What's the most important thing to note about Paranormal Mafia?

You can PM.  That shit's broken, check this out.

The last time I played in a game with free PMing to anyone I was scum and died because I didn't know how to use my role. (I maintain that it was pretty much useless without a true mastery of lore, and alas, my brain is merely average in size.)

Therefore I will not engage in PMing players this game. I will neither send nor respond to secret messages. My brain is not big enough, even now.

If you have something sneaky to tell me, something really important, then say it in front of everyone so I can get you voted out.

---

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 05, 2023, 12:23:33 am

I don't like this EuchreJack.

Do you like anyone?

---

Quote from: webadict on January 04, 2023, 11:55:33 pm

Ignore the hammer note, this game doesn't have hammers TO SPITE ME.

TricMagic then. I see no reason not to perpetuate this silly bandwagon which will ensure TricMagic's invulnerability for the remainder of the day.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 02:26:27 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2023, 09:37:03 pm

I am town and have no cool powers. :(

Definitely a third-party player with a plasma bomb.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 04, 2023, 09:46:22 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 04, 2023, 09:36:26 pm

TricMagic: What's your favorite food? This is a softball question.

Ask the hardbreaded questions Fal, not this softball stuff. Not even edible, softballs.

Eat my vote then. Don't let the day drag on.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 02:41:59 am

You know me so well <3

I will also join you in foregoing PMs. I’ve played a handful of games which had neighbour-like QTs and the game basically devolved into a handful of the town playing the game in their QT, and I was bored shitless because I wasn’t part of the secret gang. There’s nothing that can be said in PMs that can’t be said in the thread.

It also makes us look like a team, so if you flip scum I’ll be faaaaaaacked.

---

Can anyone tell me what we’re going to learn from this slightly ridiculous bandwagon?

Really, the first person off the wagon should be Tric though. I’ve got no love for policy voting you dude, but self-voting in RVS is - as we see with the majority of the town voting you - tremendously unhelpful. Poke someone.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 04:15:42 am

Quote from: Vector on January 05, 2023, 02:20:45 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 04, 2023, 11:03:18 pm

Anyways we should lynch Vector because they're not going to post very much and they'll attract negative attention because of it and I don't know their alignment this game.

[...]

Fuck it, whatever.

TricMagic.

Coward :3 uwu

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 04, 2023, 11:51:57 pm

My role is Enchanter, it gives me a double vote at end of day.
It's why I am NOT voting right now.

This is sus for me. There's no really helpful reason to claim a LYLO-breaker and in the context it's just giving you a shield to not vote.


Hmm... webadict.

I was under the impression that I would get double votes every day. If it only works in LYLO....hell, you know I would have broken and revealed that before LYLO.
...I'm also now voting. Suspicious that you didn't notice that.

@Vector: Why aren't you voting Tric?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 04:17:40 am

Is the scumteam hector & Fallacy? Poor fools can never catch a break...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 07:14:00 am

Hector13


You wanna vote me….


Vote this

Now excuse me while I use my webadict approved quarantine strat.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 08:08:48 am

Quote from: Vector on January 05, 2023, 02:20:45 am

This is sus for me. There's no really helpful reason to claim a LYLO-breaker and in the context it's just giving you a shield to not vote.


Hmm... webadict.

Explain why it's sus to you.  Because it's the exact opposite to me for the exact reason you posted.

Also, you can do better than voting me and we both know it.

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 07:14:00 am

Hector13


You wanna vote me….


Vote this

Now excuse me while I use my webadict approved quarantine strat.

But I did the exact opposite of approve that strategy.  Quarantine and I kill you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 08:13:08 am

It’s foolproof



Fooooollllprroooffff

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 08:47:37 am

Firstly, I'm definitely excited and delighted to play Paranormal again.

The important thing that's happened is:

Do we (policy) eliminate Tric for bad play, self-voting etc? Well policy lynches are good cover for scum, they don't even have to formulate an argument. But self-voting shouldn't be allowed, frankly. The idea of ignoring him for now is probably sensible.

Tric, buddy, make a real vote.

As for claiming... I think this gives an edge to the dopps and also roles like Xenozoologist.

As for PMs... they are a tool like any other. I'll use them if I think there's a good reason to use them.

---

Fallacy

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 04, 2023, 09:36:26 pm

notquitethere: What role are you going to breadcrumb in your first post?

Wouldn't you like to know!

Hector

Quote from: hector13 on January 04, 2023, 11:01:08 pm

If we’re policy voting we should policy vote NQT for being British.

Starting the game with some xenophobia, I see.


webadict, what's an important thing we should know from previous paranormals?

Euchrejack, who do you have a hard time reading?

Vector, sometimes my graph stuff is useful (for me), sometimes I've created fake-work because I'm scum, and other times I've tried stuff that hasn't turned out to be very useful at all. In your opinion, is any of it ever worthwhile?

Knightwing, have you read the OP?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 08:52:19 am

I think, yeah. Why?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 08:59:04 am

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 08:52:19 am

I think, yeah. Why?

It's a complicated game with a lot of different possibilities linked to different items. You don't have to memorise them all from the off, but it's helpful to know the kind of possibilities you're dealing with. I don't want to see a town-KW arrive on D3 and appear to have no idea what could be happing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 09:02:07 am

I read, PM’s and stuff.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 09:21:07 am

I think Knightwing is scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 09:30:31 am

Figures.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 09:32:21 am

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 09:21:07 am

I think Knightwing is scum.

Because he's not voting Tric?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 09:41:17 am

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 09:21:07 am

I think Knightwing is scum.

Why?

Elaborate, please, my good sir.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 09:42:36 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 09:32:21 am

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 09:21:07 am

I think Knightwing is scum.

Because he's not voting Tric?

Because he's not accidentally making himself not scum.

Also, yes, for not voting TricMagic.  I say this knowing full well that I am also not voting TricMagic.

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 09:41:17 am

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 09:21:07 am

I think Knightwing is scum.

Why?

Elaborate, please, my good sir.

Why are you not scum?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 09:45:06 am

?

Because…. I’m not scum?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:02:50 am

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 09:45:06 am

?

Because…. I’m not scum?

Who is scum?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 10:05:15 am

I don’t know

It’s D1 you maniac

What do you want from me

I guess Hector is a little suspicious.



Also, in other news, my braces have been replaced with retainers.


They fucking suck.

It’s so uncomfortable, I can’t talk right, I’m fucking dying over here

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:06:28 am

I think Jack and KW are town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:19:24 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 02:41:59 am

You know me so well <3

I will also join you in foregoing PMs. I’ve played a handful of games which had neighbour-like QTs and the game basically devolved into a handful of the town playing the game in their QT, and I was bored shitless because I wasn’t part of the secret gang. There’s nothing that can be said in PMs that can’t be said in the thread.

I was thinking about PMing two players what I plan to do tonight, does this sound like a bad plan?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:29:44 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:06:28 am

I think Jack and KW are town.

Yeah, but everyone already knows Jack is Town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:34:41 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:19:24 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 02:41:59 am

You know me so well <3

I will also join you in foregoing PMs. I’ve played a handful of games which had neighbour-like QTs and the game basically devolved into a handful of the town playing the game in their QT, and I was bored shitless because I wasn’t part of the secret gang. There’s nothing that can be said in PMs that can’t be said in the thread.

I was thinking about PMing two players what I plan to do tonight, does this sound like a bad plan?

Man...  You're like 3 steps behind, Toony!  If you ain't PMing now, you're not utilizing the best tool in the game.  hector13 just wants to be part of the action.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 10:46:45 am

This was the expected result. Only bit is that there are no hammers this game. Unvote

On another note, I am once again a protector. We'll see if I manage to protect mafia this time around.


... Apropos of nothing, I'm going to vote Vector.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:54:07 am

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 10:46:45 am

On another note, I am once again a protector.

Fuck.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 10:54:40 am

Why would I want to change my perfectly reasonable and valid RVS vote?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 11:08:37 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:54:07 am

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 10:46:45 am

On another note, I am once again a protector.

Fuck.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 10:54:40 am

Why would I want to change my perfectly reasonable and valid RVS vote?

Exactly my reaction Toony. There is no escaping the bumbling dragon knight that is TricMagic.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:10:17 am

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 11:08:37 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:54:07 am

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 10:46:45 am

On another note, I am once again a protector.

Fuck.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 10:54:40 am

Why would I want to change my perfectly reasonable and valid RVS vote?

Exactly my reaction Toony. There is no escaping the bumbling dragon knight that is TricMagic.

If you just permanently protect me, I will win.  So, just do that.  It's probably even in your best interest because I'm Town!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 11:11:01 am

When you've got a moment, Web:

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 08:47:37 am

webadict, what's an important thing we should know from previous paranormals?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:18:08 am

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 11:11:01 am

When you've got a moment, Web:

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 08:47:37 am

webadict, what's an important thing we should know from previous paranormals?

Do everything I say and things will work out for me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 11:21:38 am

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:18:08 am

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 11:11:01 am

When you've got a moment, Web:

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 08:47:37 am

webadict, what's an important thing we should know from previous paranormals?

Do everything I say and things will work out for me.

I read Paranormal 26 and it did work out for our Sneaky Webadict.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Mephansteras on January 05, 2023, 11:41:36 am

The Whiteboard
TricMagic: 5: FallacyofUrist, hector13, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, ToonyMan
hector13: 2: EuchreJack, Knightwing64
Knightwing64: 1: notquitethere
Vector: 1: TricMagic
webadict: 1: Vector

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Saturday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - SIGNUPS [0/9+]
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 05, 2023, 11:45:12 am

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 28, 2022, 01:21:55 pm

  Days will last for 72 hours or until everyone has voted (if there is a long period of inactivity after everyone votes I'll end the day to keep things moving).
    In the event of a tie, no lynch will occur.

Yeah gonna unvote here to stop the day from ending early.

Not sure I've ever seen this clause of the rule play out, but not worth risking it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 11:49:37 am

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 10:05:15 am

I don’t know

It’s D1 you maniac

What do you want from me

I guess Hector is a little suspicious.



Also, in other news, my braces have been replaced with retainers.


They fucking suck.

It’s so uncomfortable, I can’t talk right, I’m fucking dying over here

Better than getting your braces tightened and being unable to eat anything which isn’t mush.

Also, what are you going to do to figure out my slot? All you’ve done is OMGUS a non-existent vote.

Also also, is it xenophobia if I am also British, but don’t like it?

Anyway…

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:34:41 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:19:24 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 02:41:59 am

You know me so well <3

I will also join you in foregoing PMs. I’ve played a handful of games which had neighbour-like QTs and the game basically devolved into a handful of the town playing the game in their QT, and I was bored shitless because I wasn’t part of the secret gang. There’s nothing that can be said in PMs that can’t be said in the thread.

I was thinking about PMing two players what I plan to do tonight, does this sound like a bad plan?

Man...  You're like 3 steps behind, Toony!  If you ain't PMing now, you're not utilizing the best tool in the game.  hector13 just wants to be part of the action.

hector13 wants the action to be in the thread where everyone can see it.

Anyway, to answer Toony’s question, unless the two players involved are mechanically cleared to you as town, it is a bad plan. I’ll toot me own horn and remind you that I was a townlock read for you in a game not that long ago, when I was a bad bad baddie.

---

Let’s go back to my original position and see how they respond.

Knightwing

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 11:54:38 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 11:49:37 am

Also also, is it xenophobia if I am also British, but don’t like it?

I didn't know that. We should get a beer the next time you're in Hampshire.

I kinda see your point about the PMs but I can think of a few cases where it'd be worthwhile. Overall, wanting or not wanting to use them is NAI, right?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 12:13:10 pm

I don’t think I’ve ever been down that way. England was never really on the cards as a destination, though my school apparently thought Alton Towers was a good end of year reward for whatever bizarre points game they were playing. I also went to London twice and did not enjoy it, but I was there on my own in stressful circumstances (emigrating) and the second time heavily sleep deprived because for some reason there were no flights for the time in the morning I needed to be there so had to get the sleeper train down, which is a misnomer, as there was precious little of that going on.

My point with policy voting Brits was it’s just as arbitrary for policy voting Tric for being pants.

And yes, PMs or not is NAI, I just wanted to make sure y’all knew I’m not interested. It’s like third parties, they can go… away.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 12:22:59 pm

I see your handle even says you're Scottish. When I was a kid I lived up near Aberdeen (went to school in Ellon) for a bit. Moving to and from there was a long way to go. The last time I was in the vicinity was to climb Ben Nevis, but that was some time ago. In a chippie in Inverness I made sure to try the infamous deep fried Mars Bar.

---

Jim, can you give an answer to this that is more helpful than what Wuba managed?

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 08:47:37 am

webadict, what's an important thing we should know from previous paranormals?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 12:44:30 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 10:46:45 am

This was the expected result. Only bit is that there are no hammers this game. Unvote

On another note, I am once again a protector. We'll see if I manage to protect mafia this time around.


... Apropos of nothing, I'm going to vote Vector.

You COULD just protect me indefinitely....

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 01:32:21 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 12:44:30 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 10:46:45 am

This was the expected result. Only bit is that there are no hammers this game. Unvote

On another note, I am once again a protector. We'll see if I manage to protect mafia this time around.


... Apropos of nothing, I'm going to vote Vector.

You COULD just protect me indefinitely....

This is Babby's First Plan if you are a coward.  Technically correct, but in a way that relies on you using your brain later in the game to find scum and not using it to protect a high priority target.

Safe but impractical.  Whereas I am bold and innovative with a rich aftertaste!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 01:43:48 pm

Surely a doctor claim will soak the mafiakill, right?

...Right?

Come on scum throw us a bone and kill Tric N1.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 01:50:57 pm

Town
Tric
Knightwing
Jack

I hope are town
Jim
Web

I don't know
Max
Hector

I guess these are the dopes
FallacyofUrist
notquitethere
Vector

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 01:57:44 pm

Why don't you hope I'm town? :(

Anyway, sorry, I haven't had much chance to say anything, but on the bright side, I'm not the type to keep quiet as scum, so you can assume that means I'm town, right?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 02:10:17 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 01:57:44 pm

Why don't you hope I'm town? :(

I was really close to putting you in the hope list, but Hector looked so alone.

Also fyi most players in this game have a username that is just an actual first name.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 02:15:15 pm

Me and Knightwing are superheroes to defend Jack, Jim, Max, Hector, Vector, and Urist from the diabolical clutches of...Tric the Magic and Web 'Internet Crazed' Adict?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 02:30:13 pm

Wow, Web is definitely a name!

Also, don't worry about Max this game.  He's definitely Town.  He hasn't performed his signature scumtell.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 02:47:21 pm

Which is?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 02:49:24 pm

I refuse to explain.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 03:20:02 pm

Actually talking about his feelings.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 03:51:17 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 02:15:15 pm

Me and Knightwing are superheroes to defend Jack, Jim, Max, Hector, Vector, and Urist from the diabolical clutches of...Tric the Magic and Web 'Internet Crazed' Adict?

You say you’re a superhero but your avatar is Dr. Eggman.

Tric, since you’re here, why don’t you tell us who is scum?

FoU can tell us who is town, then the game will be solved and we can all go home, once the Corp send some relief in like a thousand years.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 04:07:00 pm

TricMagic

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 04:17:31 pm

I’m not liking this webadict.

It’s a bit boring.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 04:40:03 pm

Ah, but that doesn't make me scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 04:43:54 pm

The hypocrisy and general self-centered behaviour just might though :p

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 05:01:40 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 04:43:54 pm

The hypocrisy and general self-centered behaviour just might though :p

Self-centered?  Everything I do is for the Town.  I think it just looks self-centered to you because you're not looking at what I'm looking at.  Also because I'm Town, so everything I do is inherently for me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 05:10:14 pm

That doesn’t make any sense, because you could replace “Town” with “Dopp” and it doesn’t change the content of the sentence.

What does you voting Tric do for the town that hasn’t been done by the other players voting him? Are you sure enough of the remaining 9 players that your this is the most valuable resting spot for your vote at this point?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 05:10:42 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 05:01:40 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 04:43:54 pm

The hypocrisy and general self-centered behaviour just might though :p

Self-centered?  Everything I do is for the Town.  I think it just looks self-centered to you because you're not looking at what I'm looking at.  Also because I'm Town, so everything I do is inherently for me.

Everything you do helps town, as mafia ally or as town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Mephansteras on January 05, 2023, 05:30:33 pm

The Whiteboard
TricMagic: 4: FallacyofUrist, Maximum Spin, ToonyMan, webadict
hector13: 2: EuchreJack, Knightwing64
Knightwing64: 2: hector13, notquitethere
Vector: 1: TricMagic
webadict: 1: Vector

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Day ends ~5pm Pacific Saturday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:17:02 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 05:10:14 pm

That doesn’t make any sense, because you could replace “Town” with “Dopp” and it doesn’t change the content of the sentence.

What does you voting Tric do for the town that hasn’t been done by the other players voting him? Are you sure enough of the remaining 9 players that your this is the most valuable resting spot for your vote at this point?

Uh, yeah, Tric is Mafia, so I'm gonna vote for him.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:18:21 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 05:10:42 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 05:01:40 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 04:43:54 pm

The hypocrisy and general self-centered behaviour just might though :p

Self-centered?  Everything I do is for the Town.  I think it just looks self-centered to you because you're not looking at what I'm looking at.  Also because I'm Town, so everything I do is inherently for me.

Everything you do helps town, as mafia ally or as town.

Unironically true, since I've got a 100% Town win rate as Mafia-ally, and around a 90% win rate as Town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:19:57 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:18:21 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 05:10:42 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 05:01:40 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 04:43:54 pm

The hypocrisy and general self-centered behaviour just might though :p

Self-centered?  Everything I do is for the Town.  I think it just looks self-centered to you because you're not looking at what I'm looking at.  Also because I'm Town, so everything I do is inherently for me.

Everything you do helps town, as mafia ally or as town.

Unironically true, since I've got a 100% Town win rate as Mafia-ally, and around a 90% win rate as Town.

Oh, wait, I forgot the one game where I was Mafia-Ally and the SK won, so there is that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 06:21:55 pm

Web, would suggest you take a deep clean look into yourself and ask: i this really how I want to die? Pushing a policy lycnh.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 06:34:54 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 06:21:55 pm

Web, would suggest you take a deep clean look into yourself and ask: i this really how I want to die? Pushing a policy lycnh.

Isn't it how you want to die? You started the wagon!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 06:44:33 pm

Am I a jester. I wouldn't have minded dying overnight if we got info on who pushed the hammers. And it sorta happened.

I'd rather live and throw a wrench in the works, but that's the rub. The main argument that could be made is that I'm playing like an SK. (Or Jester or Cultists or insert Third Party goo here.) An argument cannot be made that I'm mafia without dipping heavily into WIFOM territory. Webadict should really know that, yet calls me mafia? Under whose directive did I throw myself under the bus with absolutely no warning without talking to my teammate?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:46:36 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 06:21:55 pm

Web, would suggest you take a deep clean look into yourself and ask: i this really how I want to die? Pushing a policy lycnh.

    webadict
    FallacyofUrist
    ToonyMan
    notquitethere
    Maximum Spin
    Knightwing64
    Vector
    Jim Groovester
    hector13
    TricMagic
    EuchreJack

Of these, I've grouped them into categories.  For simplicity, I'll remove myself, but you'll have to accept that I'm obviously a Human.  A rather Kooky one, but Human nonetheless.

EuchreJack is 100%(!) Human.  I don't really see any reason to believe otherwise, given his claim.  He's also extremely concerned about his life, to the point where he privately asked me for items when I claimed to him.  There is no reason not to pocket him in this game.  He's not really aware of the strength of an Enchanter, and he spewed Town easily.

Surprisingly, Jim Groovester is 80% Human, if you can believe such a statement.  I'd actually put him higher, but I usually scum read him, and he hasn't posted more, yet.  However, I actually don't see him with the same type of play as last game.  Am I wrong?  No idea.

Maximum Spin is 85% Human.  I don't really feel the need to defend this one, because it doesn't really matter.

FallacyofUrist is probably not scum.  I'm not sure why I feel like that, but I don't see it as likely.  Maybe like 60% Human.

I don't really see you being a Dopp here hector13, because you think I'm voting TricMagic as a policylynch as opposed to something entirely different.  I like that, it makes it easier to read you.  I think if you were scum, you wouldn't have jumped on the wagon in the first place if you intended to go after people on the wagon.  Just a gut feeling.

ToonyMan is suspect, but I'm not sure he's scum yet.  Looking at his scumreads, they don't seem too far off for what I'd expect out of Town Toony.  He was right to pocket EuchreJack, but I believe his read of Knightwing is too early to tell.  I actually only suspect him out of necessity.  Voting him is entirely out of the question, if only because he acts as a great person to throw ideas off of, scum or Town.  However, because it's Toony, I'll assume that my read on Knightwing might be wrong.

notquitethere is not a Dopp.  Or maybe he is, but he's not, so it doesn't really matter.  Why?  I dunno, I can't really read him.  Just gives me some Jade Court feelings, where I suspect him a bit, but I think that's just the healthy amount of suspicion and not really substantiated.

Knightwing... I don't like Knightwing here, but I think they don't realize what they're doing wrong IS wrong, plus I'm just using ToonyMan as a reason for them to be Town.  Regardless, I can be sure that Maximum Spin and Knightwing are not w/w, but that doesn't really matter, given that I don't see Max as a wolf.

Vector is actually a possible vote here.  Which is sad, but given how every game goes with them, I'm not on their team, which means they're scum.  Oooookay, technically I think that Vector has a tendency to reveal themselves as scum around Day 2 accidentally, but I definitely see them being scum here as a probable.  Maybe like 70% Dopp.

Aaaaand TricMagic.  I definitely think that TricMagic is likely to be scum.  I do not trust him because he seems too calm in this instance.  Also, he knows too much.  I feel like he would normally be going after ToonyMan or someone else if he was Human, especially given his tendency to OMGUS.

Anyway, that's my reasoning.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 06:48:10 pm

TricMagic go read the victory conditions of the roles in the OP and then come back and review your last statement.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 05, 2023, 06:57:00 pm

MOD, will the day akshully end once all votes are cast?

Kind of tempted to end the day early because I don't like what I'm reading from TricMagic here but I should give the game a more thorough look before deciding on something like that. Not done with work yet afterall.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 07:01:40 pm

Okay, back from work.

I think I don't like webadict's playstyle necessarily, but this does feel like the town version of him. The casual assertions of unfathomable knowledge, a good helping of meta reads, and sharp, mean humor.

Knightwing64 looks too confused to be scum. Though he does need to engage with the game more. I bet he has a really cool role.

Tric honestly feels a little off? Or maybe he's just engaging more with the game as he grows into a better player.

Vector hasn't been doing anything, Toonyman feels like he's doing nothing. Toonyman did argue against claims, and I don't necessarily agree with that - though the massclaim meta is a little painful at times. I think we should claim information and roles if it's useful to do so, but not for no reason. Maximum Spin is somewhere in between these two peeps.

EuchreJack... town? It's the way he's acting, and I get that that's vague as all fuck, but there's no shiftiness. I think it's in character for him to immediately claim a voting role, even if it is a LYLO breaker.

I think Jim Groovester is rolling like a rolling stone. Slow at first, but building up momentum.

That leaves not quite there, who I'm going to fold into the same category as vector and Toony and Spin.

hector is terrifying me for some reason. I don't know why. Vibe check says 'RUNNNNNN' even if he's smiling and being his usual towny self. That's a serial killer right there, I'm telling you.

I don't think I'm honestly okay with a Tric execution Day 1, even if there is something off. Executing Tric is the easy way out, a free execution for any scum that can use his 'weirdness' as an excuse to push him.

I'm scared enough of hector13. Maybe I'll reread and see if I can back up my gut.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:02:31 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 06:48:10 pm

TricMagic go read the victory conditions of the roles in the OP and then come back and review your last statement.

...

Meph, why doesn't my role give me an alignment?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:03:30 pm

As an fyi, I don’t think you’re voting Tric for policy, it’s just how the wagon started.

I understand why you’re voting Tric (self-voting and zero inclination to actually do anything constructive, tied with not indulging in his usual unusual behaviour) I just don’t understand why you’re voting him at this point in the game.

If he’s scum he’s got two teammates (unless there’re three rogue ones which would be a bit weird) and my expectation (unfairly, really) is for you to drive the game forward. Burden of proficiency and all that.

I’m not discounting that this is being done via PMs, but I also can’t take that into account ’cause I can’t see it, but you’ve always had a propensity to kind of go off on your own to solve the game. *shrug*

PPE: I think Tric just accidentally cleared hisself…

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 07:05:16 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 03:20:02 pm

Actually talking about his feelings.

Good point, I think that actually is Max's scumtell. He's far more diplomatic as scum.

I'm also reminded of the following TricMagic equation:
Rational Tric posts = scum Tric

Let's try voting Vector.
My rational is that Tric IS voting Vector, but Vector is NOT voting Tric. I can only see that happening if Vector & Tric are scum buddies.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 07:09:14 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:03:30 pm

PPE: I think Tric just accidentally cleared hisself…

Disagree! Mine clearly states my alignment, so the clarity of the flavor might just vary.

So far only one person PMed me and didn't even respond to my reply. :(

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:10:34 pm

Unvote For the early end of day threat.

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Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 07:09:14 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:03:30 pm

PPE: I think Tric just accidentally cleared hisself…

Disagree! Mine clearly states my alignment, so the clarity of the flavor might just vary.

So far only one person PMed me and didn't even respond to my reply. :(

Does your role say Town anywhere Spin? Cause if NQT is right in order to win I need to protect someone, not kill all the dopps.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 07:12:12 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:10:34 pm

Does your role say Town anywhere Spin? Cause if NQT is right in order to win I need to protect someone, not kill all the dopps.

It doesn't say "town", no, it says that I need to fight doppelgängers. But I'm pretty sure you misunderstood! "Goal" isn't the same as the victory condition; it's a certain kind of role inspection result.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:12:42 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 07:01:40 pm

hector is terrifying me for some reason. I don't know why. Vibe check says 'RUNNNNNN' even if he's smiling and being his usual towny self. That's a serial killer right there, I'm telling you.

I'm scared enough of hector13. Maybe I'll reread and see if I can back up my gut.

rahw (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y897tozJeg8), I’m a scawy tigew.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 07:13:51 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:03:30 pm

As an fyi, I don’t think you’re voting Tric for policy, it’s just how the wagon started.

I understand why you’re voting Tric (self-voting and zero inclination to actually do anything constructive, tied with not indulging in his usual unusual behaviour) I just don’t understand why you’re voting him at this point in the game.

If he’s scum he’s got two teammates (unless there’re three rogue ones which would be a bit weird) and my expectation (unfairly, really) is for you to drive the game forward. Burden of proficiency and all that.

I’m not discounting that this is being done via PMs, but I also can’t take that into account ’cause I can’t see it, but you’ve always had a propensity to kind of go off on your own to solve the game. *shrug*

PPE: I think Tric just accidentally cleared hisself…

Web was pretty quick to disclose our super secret PMs for everyone to see. He didn't even ask me first! People didn't have to interpret my blatant power grab as Town behavior.

Also: Tric might have townslipped, as you said.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:16:41 pm

Town then.

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:03:30 pm

PPE: I think Tric just accidentally cleared hisself…

Not entirely sure how that clears me. I just don't have much reason to hide things. Not like I'm a knight this go around. (I do remember the werehouse.)

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Ninja jack. I got no reason but to try and stop the kill, if you're a vig go ahead and PM me. 50/50 shot that I block it, depends on your towniness.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 07:18:29 pm

@FoU:  You think it's hector?  I dunno.  It doesn't feel correct.

@Max:  I'll PM you, but I wasn't sure if you were scum or not, and then Tric ruined it.

@Euchre: I am down to vote Vector, but I want more posts from them first.

@hector:  Maybe.  I'll think about it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 07:21:00 pm

I consider discussing the wording of your PM to be angleshooting (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Angleshooting). It's not really in the spirit of the game.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:10:34 pm

Cause if NQT is right in order to win I need to protect someone, not kill all the dopps.

There is no such victory condition. Try again.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:23:35 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 07:09:14 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:03:30 pm

PPE: I think Tric just accidentally cleared hisself…

Disagree! Mine clearly states my alignment, so the clarity of the flavor might just vary.

T’be fair the scum might have been told the town PMs don’t necessarily explicitly say their town, so it’s quite possible this isn’t clearing anyway.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:25:29 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 07:21:00 pm

I consider discussing the wording of your PM to be angleshooting (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Angleshooting). It's not really in the spirit of the game.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:10:34 pm

Cause if NQT is right in order to win I need to protect someone, not kill all the dopps.

There is no such victory condition. Try again.

Yeah, I got nothin. What are you getting at?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 07:27:13 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 07:21:00 pm

I consider discussing the wording of your PM to be angleshooting (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Angleshooting). It's not really in the spirit of the game.

I don't think I care about that at all.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 07:28:26 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:23:35 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 07:09:14 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:03:30 pm

PPE: I think Tric just accidentally cleared hisself…

Disagree! Mine clearly states my alignment, so the clarity of the flavor might just vary.

T’be fair the scum might have been told the town PMs don’t necessarily explicitly say their town, so it’s quite possible this isn’t clearing anyway.

Given what I know of Meph games, unlikely.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Mephansteras on January 05, 2023, 07:30:40 pm

The Whiteboard
TricMagic: 4: Maximum Spin, notquitethere, ToonyMan, webadict
hector13: 2: FallacyofUrist, Knightwing64
Knightwing64: 1: hector13
Vector: 1: EuchreJack
webadict: 1: Vector

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Day ends ~5pm Pacific Saturday

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 05, 2023, 06:57:00 pm

MOD, will the day akshully end once all votes are cast?

No, that's just a safety valve if we get a stalled game. As long as people are talking and the game is moving I wait until the stated deadline or a shorten is voted for. I won't end early unless everyone is clearly all sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for the timer to go off. And usually you get a shorten vote at that point.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:02:31 pm

Meph, why doesn't my role give me an alignment?

Everyone's role PM should make it obvious if they are human, doppelganger, or alien.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:38:25 pm

I feel like NQT isn't quite on the up and up. Just a feeling given I have no clue what they're talking about, and they aren't elaborating.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 07:41:11 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:38:25 pm

I feel like NQT isn't quite on the up and up. Just a feeling given I have no clue what they're talking about, and they aren't elaborating.

I think he meant the same thing I said, but didn't notice that I'd said it. That is, that "Goal" isn't a victory condition or alignment. He just decided to be much, much less helpful about it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 05, 2023, 07:44:50 pm

Re-reading my role description, and knowing that "reading things" is a weak spot for Tric, I'm inclined to continue to conclude Tric had town-slipped. Also: My Role, My Roooole

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:25:29 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 07:21:00 pm

I consider discussing the wording of your PM to be angleshooting (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Angleshooting). It's not really in the spirit of the game.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 07:10:34 pm

Cause if NQT is right in order to win I need to protect someone, not kill all the dopps.

There is no such victory condition. Try again.

Yeah, I got nothin. What are you getting at?

Specifically Tric, you need to protect ME and ONLY ME for (2) two reasons:
1) I am the only one at this point that is fairly obviously Town. I'm basing that on what other players have said about me so far. Protecting the "wrong" player has been a problem for you in the past, so picking the most absolutely Town players in the eyes of the majority of players is vitally important.
2) I have a Double Vote. It's one of the few known power roles so far, and it gets more powerful each Day that I am alive. But this is less important than just protecting Absolutely Town over literally anything else.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 08:11:38 pm

EuchreJack is clearly scum and you shouldn't protect him.

I don't mean in game, just in general.

Anyway, I'm not trying to get McLuhan about this, but Tric, if you don't want to get lynched, the way you've been arguing isn't helping. Maybe you could try talking about how you plan to use this protect role you've claimed, so we understand the value of having you around in the night?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 09:04:24 pm

I mean, can protect Jack easily enough. You think him claiming doublevoter is a scumslip?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 09:06:29 pm

Yeah, no offense, Euchre, but protecting you is the wrong move here.  Mostly because if you're being attacked by the Dopps, then the Investigative roles aren't.  Your double vote is... Not as powerful as you think it is, but don't overthink that.

Vector is a possible vote here, since TricMagic is apparently now using his brain while playing.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 09:04:24 pm

I mean, can protect Jack easily enough. You think him claiming doublevoter is a scumslip?

No, it's not a scumslip.  Jack just isn't a priority for the scumteam.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:18:46 pm

I'm gonnnnnnnaaaaaaaa saaaaaay... Vector + Knightwing + ... Toony???  Is that the team?

Hm.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:19:24 pm

Nah, it's probably not Toony.

But, then it's gotta be notquitethere?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 05, 2023, 10:21:48 pm

thinkingfaceemoji

TricMagic always protects scum, so why would we want to lynch TricMagic when we could use who he targets as a divining rod to find out who's scum

thinkingfaceemoji

I'll post more later but I'm tinkering with things and I am very engaged doing that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:30:54 pm

I was out after work today and I am very tired but I will at least post once tonight.

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 11:49:37 am

Anyway, to answer Toony’s question, unless the two players involved are mechanically cleared to you as town, it is a bad plan. I’ll toot me own horn and remind you that I was a townlock read for you in a game not that long ago, when I was a bad bad baddie.

What if you died that night? Wouldn't you want someone to at least reveal your intended target? I said two players as a form of insurance since if you only confided in one player they could keep quiet and not say anything.

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 03:51:17 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 02:15:15 pm

Me and Knightwing are superheroes to defend Jack, Jim, Max, Hector, Vector, and Urist from the diabolical clutches of...Tric the Magic and Web 'Internet Crazed' Adict?

You say you’re a superhero but your avatar is Dr. Eggman.

That's Dr. Ivo Robotnik to you.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 06:44:33 pm

Am I a jester. I wouldn't have minded dying overnight if we got info on who pushed the hammers. And it sorta happened.

I'd rather live and throw a wrench in the works, but that's the rub. The main argument that could be made is that I'm playing like an SK. (Or Jester or Cultists or insert Third Party goo here.) An argument cannot be made that I'm mafia without dipping heavily into WIFOM territory. Webadict should really know that, yet calls me mafia? Under whose directive did I throw myself under the bus with absolutely no warning without talking to my teammate?

What did you do with the real TricMagic, doppelganger?

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:46:36 pm

A rather Kooky one, but Human nonetheless.

Why did you wait to say this?

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:46:36 pm

reads

I like this.

I feel like scum!Webadict likes to polarize me as a strong townread or a strong scumread.

I feel like town!Webadict likes to townread me heavily or give a careful amount of scrutiny after getting burned by that.

This middle of the road post makes me think they are town, since this was also their impression of me in Kill JJT Now and he was town there, beyond my doubts.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 07:01:40 pm

reads

I don't know how I feel about this post.

It seems town but I have no reasoning.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 07:18:29 pm

@FoU:  You think it's hector?  I dunno.  It doesn't feel correct.

Why?

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:18:46 pm

I'm gonnnnnnnaaaaaaaa saaaaaay... Vector + Knightwing + ... Toony???  Is that the team?

Hm.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:19:24 pm

Nah, it's probably not Toony.

But, then it's gotta be notquitethere?

I could see Vector/Knightwing/NQT, though that means I am incorrect about Knightwing.

Maybe Max can help with that.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 05, 2023, 10:21:48 pm

TricMagic always protects scum, so why would we want to lynch TricMagic when we could use who he targets as a divining rod to find out who's scum

(https://i.imgur.com/cO5NlUV.png)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:35:15 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:30:54 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:46:36 pm

A rather Kooky one, but Human nonetheless.

Why did you wait to say this?

An afterthought: It's pretty audacious, but I think a dopp!Max would have claimed Kook today since they did that as mafia in the previous game and nobody batted an eye of suspicion.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 10:40:43 pm

Even though not claiming miller (equivalent) is sus, that just makes me more confident web is town. It's just realistic behavior from him.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 07:18:29 pm

@FoU:  You think it's hector?  I dunno.  It doesn't feel correct.

Tric feels sus, but hector feels sharp, in a way I haven't felt from him before. He reads as reasonably town, just going by his logical behavior, but the vibe check is failed badly.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 10:44:20 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:35:15 pm

An afterthought: It's pretty audacious, but I think a dopp!Max would have claimed Kook today since they did that as mafia in the previous game and nobody batted an eye of suspicion.

Shit, I should've claimed it ANYWAY.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 10:48:18 pm

I mean, seriously, I bet web isn't even a miller. Always claiming miller is one thing he and I agree on.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:49:54 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:35:15 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:30:54 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:46:36 pm

A rather Kooky one, but Human nonetheless.

Why did you wait to say this?

An afterthought: It's pretty audacious, but I think a dopp!Max would have claimed Kook today since they did that as mafia in the previous game and nobody batted an eye of suspicion.

Honestly, I was debating NOT claiming it because I figured it'd make a good way to catch a fakeclaim, but I realized that was probably a bad idea because it's far more likely to screw me over.  So, totally fair to question me on that.

As for why I don't think it's hector, my thought was that he seemed rather active and that he was initially on the TricMagic bandwagon, which seemed like a really bad idea to do if you're going to use that as a reasoning to go after me, but on a reconsider, I'm less sure.  I'm far more willing to say FoU is Town, and his suspicions of hector13 might be founded.  There's not as much substance in hector's posts compared to what I had mentally envisioned, and thinking about his change in stance did remind me of Maximum Spin's shift last game, though it's probably more fair to say that his initial attitude is too reminiscent of myself in Fallacy's BYOR, for whatever merit that holds.

I could see a Vector + Knightwing + hector team as a possibility.

I see Knightwing as scum here because of his posting style, as well as his lack of substantial posts.  Not really a fan of it, but it feels different than last game, especially as he said "Why?" when I called him scum, which is just really... scummy.  I know that sounds reasonable, but it's something that always dings my scumdar.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 10:48:18 pm

I mean, seriously, I bet web isn't even a miller. Always claiming miller is one thing he and I agree on.

Wow, dude, are you calling me a liar?  That's really hurtful that you think that I always lie, instead of just mostly lie.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:54:17 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 10:40:43 pm

Even though not claiming miller (equivalent) is sus, that just makes me more confident web is town. It's just realistic behavior from him.

I'm suspicious that he didn't claim until every player had chimed in, but it's possibly poor timing. Hence the question. Why does this make you more confident he is town? Do you think a miller Web waits? I'm almost positive he's been a Kook before in these games but I'd have to check how he behaved and I'm too tired to look right now.

PPE:

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:49:54 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:35:15 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:30:54 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:46:36 pm

A rather Kooky one, but Human nonetheless.

Why did you wait to say this?

An afterthought: It's pretty audacious, but I think a dopp!Max would have claimed Kook today since they did that as mafia in the previous game and nobody batted an eye of suspicion.

Honestly, I was debating NOT claiming it because I figured it'd make a good way to catch a fakeclaim, but I realized that was probably a bad idea because it's far more likely to screw me over.  So, totally fair to question me on that.

...Fair enough. This does make things kind of annoying though, you know what I mean?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 11:00:48 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:54:17 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 10:40:43 pm

Even though not claiming miller (equivalent) is sus, that just makes me more confident web is town. It's just realistic behavior from him.

I'm suspicious that he didn't claim until every player had chimed in, but it's possibly poor timing. Hence the question. Why does this make you more confident he is town? Do you think a miller Web waits? I'm almost positive he's been a Kook before in these games but I'd have to check how he behaved and I'm too tired to look right now.

I think web very deliberately attempts to violate standard conventions. The audacity is intentional and this is just another expression of that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:05:51 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:54:17 pm

...Fair enough. This does make things kind of annoying though, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I totally get it.  It won't bother me none to suspect me, but I'm pretty sure I'll be trusted regardless!

I will note that I've been a Kook before, AND I've fakeclaimed Kook before, both of which I did in the first post of each game.  These were done when my feelings on it were that you're supposed to claim in the first post, but I've started to wonder if it's possible to catch fakeclaim cops.  Buuuut, I think that sometimes, doing the things that I do has cost-benefit analyses that don't seem worth it in the future, so I'm want to change my mind.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 11:00:48 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 10:54:17 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 10:40:43 pm

Even though not claiming miller (equivalent) is sus, that just makes me more confident web is town. It's just realistic behavior from him.

I'm suspicious that he didn't claim until every player had chimed in, but it's possibly poor timing. Hence the question. Why does this make you more confident he is town? Do you think a miller Web waits? I'm almost positive he's been a Kook before in these games but I'd have to check how he behaved and I'm too tired to look right now.

I think web very deliberately attempts to violate standard conventions. The audacity is intentional and this is just another expression of that.

That's... only partially true.  I think that Miller claims should decrease the claimers trust, after all, as they are almost always done by Town right now.  Only THREE people have ever fakeclaimed Miller on these forums, and I'd really like that to increase!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 11:10:48 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:05:51 pm

Only THREE people have ever fakeclaimed Miller on these forums, and I'd really like that to increase!

Who else?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:14:59 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 11:10:48 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:05:51 pm

Only THREE people have ever fakeclaimed Miller on these forums, and I'd really like that to increase!

Who else?

Leafsnail, a really long time ago.

That's right, not even TOONY has fakeclaimed Miller!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 11:19:39 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:14:59 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2023, 11:10:48 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:05:51 pm

Only THREE people have ever fakeclaimed Miller on these forums, and I'd really like that to increase!

Who else?

Leafsnail, a really long time ago.

That's right, not even TOONY has fakeclaimed Miller!

weaaaaaaaaak
don't be a coward, Toony!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 12:04:03 am

@Toony re: cluing in two players via PM of night actions: if I felt I needed an insurance policy regarding who to tell about an action I’d probably just post it in thread. That would achieve the same result and nobody could lie about it afterward.

---

FoU

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 10:40:43 pm

Even though not claiming miller (equivalent) is sus, that just makes me more confident web is town. It's just realistic behavior from him.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 07:18:29 pm

@FoU:  You think it's hector?  I dunno.  It doesn't feel correct.

Tric feels sus, but hector feels sharp, in a way I haven't felt from him before. He reads as reasonably town, just going by his logical behavior, but the vibe check is failed badly.

Sharp… like a fox!

I genuinely have no idea what you mean, could you expand on this? You sound like one of those horrible people who use fire as an adjective so… preferably in a way an old man like me can understand.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 12:17:08 am

Almost forgot!

Dr Eggman is the name of the villain in OG Sonic, and for some reason the American localization team decided - without consulting the developers - to rename him Robotnik.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 12:23:52 am

I'm sorry if you sent me a PM and I left you on read during the day.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 05, 2023, 12:23:33 am

More in a bit after I pretend to do cardio.

I don't remember what I was planning on responding to.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 12:27:48 am

I'm not sure we should claim because mafia can better coordinate their night actions which I think helps them more?

This is the classic justification but I wonder how valid it is.

Town doesn't win games in the night phase, they win in the day phase with an abundance of information. The dopps can pick off Agents and Guardians easier I guess but can they maintain a Day 1 fake claim through the end of the game with the town having a night game plan? I think that would be difficult.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 02:22:44 am

Do you like anyone?

No.

I lied.

I sent a PM to my favorite player. You know who you are. :)

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 07:14:00 am

Hector13


You wanna vote me….


Vote this

I think Knightwing64 is probably town.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 10:46:45 am

This was the expected result. Only bit is that there are no hammers this game. Unvote

On another note, I am once again a protector. We'll see if I manage to protect mafia this time around.


... Apropos of nothing, I'm going to vote Vector.

I think TricMagic is probably town.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 06:44:33 pm

Am I a jester. I wouldn't have minded dying overnight if we got info on who pushed the hammers. And it sorta happened.

I'd rather live and throw a wrench in the works, but that's the rub. The main argument that could be made is that I'm playing like an SK. (Or Jester or Cultists or insert Third Party goo here.) An argument cannot be made that I'm mafia without dipping heavily into WIFOM territory. Webadict should really know that, yet calls me mafia? Under whose directive did I throw myself under the bus with absolutely no warning without talking to my teammate?

I don't understand this reasoning in the slightest so I can only assume that TricMagic is town.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 11:08:37 am

dragon

<sup>*ahem*

*breathes in*</sup>

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 05, 2023, 01:50:57 pm

reads

We think similarly. This makes my opinion of you improve.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 08:47:37 am

Hmm, for an opening post it's pretty light on substantive opinions about other players. I think enough of the game had happened to have something.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 08:47:37 am

Do we (policy) eliminate Tric for bad play, self-voting etc?

*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh*

No.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 12:22:59 pm

Jim, can you give an answer to this that is more helpful than what Wuba managed?

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 08:47:37 am

webadict, what's an important thing we should know from previous paranormals?

Maybe, maybe not. Does it tell you anything?

Flavor being mechanically relevant and the game having lots of mechanical interactions that aren't immediately spelled out are probably the only things I can think of off the top of my head.

Could not tell you what the little mechanical interactions are anymore. It's been eight years.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 02:30:13 pm

Also, don't worry about Max this game.  He's definitely Town.  He hasn't performed his signature scumtell.

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 02:47:21 pm

Which is?

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 02:49:24 pm

I refuse to explain.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 05, 2023, 03:20:02 pm

Actually talking about his feelings.

Pffffffffffffffffffffftahahahahahaha you guys are great.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:46:36 pm

Kooky

HUH.

I am also a Kook.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:46:36 pm

reads

I don't like these reads that much.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 07:01:40 pm

I think Jim Groovester is rolling like a rolling stone. Slow at first, but building up momentum.

This is a nonsense characterization that I don't agree with and is completely without substance.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 07:01:40 pm

I'm scared enough of hector13. Maybe I'll reread and see if I can back up my gut.

I respect this.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 10:40:43 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 07:18:29 pm

@FoU:  You think it's hector?  I dunno.  It doesn't feel correct.

Tric feels sus, but hector feels sharp, in a way I haven't felt from him before. He reads as reasonably town, just going by his logical behavior, but the vibe check is failed badly.

This is a confusing read on hector13

but I respect it.



Town but don't deserve it
Knightwing64
TricMagic
EuchreJack

Probably town
ToonyMan

Lean very slightly town
FallacyofUrist

Realm of undecided
Maximum Spin
webadict
hector13
notquitethere

Why won't they fucking post
Vector



webadict claiming Kook while I am also a Kook is interesting. It's not impossible for two players to be Kooks in a Paranormal (if I remember my Paranormal correctly) but he also reads me as town, which is weird since he always reads me as scum. I'm not vibing with his reads which I feel like I do more of when he's scum though. Don't know what to think there.

If I had to shoot three people to win the game right now, I would shoot Vector, notquitethere, and hector13 and I would strongly debate with myself whether I want to throw Maximum Spin among those three instead.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 03:52:40 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 12:04:03 am

Sharp… like a fox!

I genuinely have no idea what you mean, could you expand on this? You sound like one of those horrible people who use fire as an adjective so… preferably in a way an old man like me can understand.

Yeah, I think I've figured out at least part of my gut read.

Fuck I forgot to read ToonyMan. Whatever, just consider him null for now.

Back to my point.

It's like you exist but you don't have opinions, you barely have targets, you're just hanging back and watching everyone else go by.

Like you're still in RVS when the rest of us have mostly moved on.

I think my vote is justified at least for now - the way your fingertips plant meaningless soliloquies makes me think you are the true evil among us.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 03:54:28 am

I'm sorry I literally have no idea how to play town-aligned. Kinda what happens when you don't ever get any practice. I definitely feel like I'm just spewing.

I sure need the experience, that's for sure. This is just the best I've got for now.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 05:32:12 am

Considering we had a game with THREE truthful Millers, I could see two Kooks, especially since Kooks can have utility that Millers don't.  Groan.

FYI: Knightwing ALWAYS needs a kick-in-the-pants to do anything as Town.

Reads List:
TricMagic: Probably Town, but has been successful faking town as third party in the past
Maximum Spin: Is sort of just around and getting scumread, so is probably town
Jim Groovester: This seems like the analytical Town!Jim, rather than the controlling scum!Jim
webadict: Seems like he doesn't know the setup, so looking more Town.  Warning: I've been buddied pretty heavily, so my read is useless.
Knightwing64: I want to say is town, but not posting enough. Could be as confused by the setup as I am, which would account for the lack of effort. Slight town.
FallacyofUrist: Seems about as townie as Fallacy ever gets.  But whining about never being town too much.  Slight Townread
ToonyMan: Can never be trusted, but nothing is screaming scum.  Null
hector13: I don't have enough experience with Town!hector to read as town.  Mentions was scum before as a warning, which bumps them to Null, barely.
Vector: Vector rarely posts as either alignment.  But not voting Tric is suspicious.  I need an explanation to stop reading Vector as scum.
notquitethere: Looks more like scum!NQT than town!NQT.  Time will tell.  Since Vector (like usual) can clear themselves by posting, NQT is the stronger scum pick.

...I hate being a double voter. I can't vote right with ONE vote, so now I get TWO!?  :'(

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 08:01:03 am

That list is starting to look right, Euchre.

Who do we vote from within those bottom three?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 08:11:44 am

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 08:01:03 am

That list is starting to look right, Euchre.

Who do we vote from within those bottom three?

Wow, that is creepy as fuck.

Anyways, the strategy is:
1) Vote Vector until Vector posts something not-scummy. Like usual
2) Vote NQT until NQT amuses us with charts, robot voices, etc. Like usual
3) Vote hector13. My only regret the last time that I played with hector was not voting them earlier/harder. More pressure on this slot is ideal.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 08:21:54 am

Psh, you think that's creepy?  You ain't seen nothing, yet.  I'm in the codebase, hacking the planet!  I've got 15 pies and 80 fingers!

Anyway, I'm already voting Vector, so nbd there.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 08:30:29 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 12:23:52 am

I sent a PM to my favorite player. You know who you are. :)

:)

I don't know how I feel about two Kook claims but it's definitely possible.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 09:12:48 am

Well, if it wasn't apparent I think Tric is town (nobody pointed out he was my top townread even though I was voting him...) and I think I trust Jim more than Web here.

Regardless, let's light a fire under Vector. I want to see them play so I can judge them better.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 10:02:16 am

I admire players who can form a solid read after a few pages of low-drama D1 back and forth. But let's see, shooting from the hip:

Town -> Scum

Jack claims early. You know, I don't see scum doing that as their first move? Some points there.

Toony: Typical Toony, active, engaged. I've town read him incorrectly in the past for this, so he's the kind of lynchpin I'd want to investigate.

Jim is pretty Jim so far. Could be anything.

Max: I don't personally dislike Max but when we play mafia, he has a manner which rubs me the wrong way, he just reads as a bad dude. But anyway, reading back, his push on Tric is all legit, but otherwise he hasn't done much.

Hector: Doesn't like PMs. And... what else?

Fallacy: Openly softballing. Not sure I like this lampshade kind of approach. Going through the motions is still going through the motions even when you say you're going through the motions. Still his last few posts have been a pretty decent follow-up.

Tric: Just an attention vortex. Some people thought he slipped his town role, but I don't think he's literally that dumb. Still won't actually read the roles though.

KW: typical KW so far. Falls in the same category as Tric, like, probably don't want them deciding the game at LYLO regardless of alignment

Vector, off-planet

Web is being more than typically obtuse, not quite to the level when he was a mafia-ally, but still pretty bad. I actually don't hate his reads, he's got a good game grasp. But I want to clarify some things...

---

Web, clue me in on the Hector slot. I'm getting a fat lot of nothing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 10:11:42 am

I changed my mind on hector.  I think he's probably scum now.  Mostly because I'm far more positive that FoU is Town, and I have no reason not to believe that what FoU is saying has no merits.  Besides, hector can be investigated and found out, now can't he?

Anything else?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 10:17:10 am

I will note that you haven't really settled on someone as particularly scummy, and I'm not sure that's a fair beat from you, unless you're stating that I am, indeed, scummy from that list.  There isn't really anything substantial in your accusation of me, but if it makes you feel better, I've already located members of the Town as investigative roles, and I've told them to investigate you and hector, so if that scares you in any way, please feel free to murder me during the Night so that I can no longer coordinate the Town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 10:39:10 am

No, I'm not saying you're scummy from your list. I liked your list, but I didn't like your start-of-game play at all (was giving me Vaporeon flashbacks) and I didn't understand the Hector placement. Hector has been pretty null for me. How is your read of him linked to your read of FoU? That just compared to one another?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 10:54:20 am

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 10:39:10 am

No, I'm not saying you're scummy from your list. I liked your list, but I didn't like your start-of-game play at all (was giving me Vaporeon flashbacks) and I didn't understand the Hector placement. Hector has been pretty null for me. How is your read of him linked to your read of FoU? That just compared to one another?

FoU seems to think that he's fairly scummy, so I'm just gonna bet on that for now.  FoU seems to get misread as scum a lot, but I just feel like he's probably Town here.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Mephansteras on January 06, 2023, 11:45:07 am

The Whiteboard
Vector: 3: EuchreJack, ToonyMan, webadict
hector13: 2: FallacyofUrist, Knightwing64
webadict: 2: notquitethere, Vector
Knightwing64: 1: hector13
TricMagic: 1: Maximum Spin

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Saturday




I don't normally weigh in on players not posting, however:

Quote from: Vector on January 04, 2023, 12:27:02 am

FYI there's a huge storm going through California for the next two days and power outages are likely. I am still on break and will post if I have internet.

A bunch of my co-workers in Northern California lost power yesterday, so Vector may be legitimately offline for a little while. Hopefully they'll be able to get some posts in before Saturday.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 11:47:50 am

I, too, can attest that Vector probably has no power, but... I think making a team out of the remainder here is hard without Vector.  Not impossible, mind you, but difficult.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2023, 12:14:59 pm

All right, so, two people have made almost identical claims to me. I think someone else here also knows who I mean. Does anyone want to be third?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 12:32:24 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 07:01:40 pm

Okay, back from work.

I think I don't like webadict's playstyle necessarily, but this does feel like the town version of him. The casual assertions of unfathomable knowledge, a good helping of meta reads, and sharp, mean humor.

Knightwing64 looks too confused to be scum. Though he does need to engage with the game more. I bet he has a really cool role.

Tric honestly feels a little off? Or maybe he's just engaging more with the game as he grows into a better player.

Vector hasn't been doing anything, Toonyman feels like he's doing nothing. Toonyman did argue against claims, and I don't necessarily agree with that - though the massclaim meta is a little painful at times. I think we should claim information and roles if it's useful to do so, but not for no reason. Maximum Spin is somewhere in between these two peeps.

EuchreJack... town? It's the way he's acting, and I get that that's vague as all fuck, but there's no shiftiness. I think it's in character for him to immediately claim a voting role, even if it is a LYLO breaker.

I think Jim Groovester is rolling like a rolling stone. Slow at first, but building up momentum.

That leaves not quite there, who I'm going to fold into the same category as vector and Toony and Spin.

hector is terrifying me for some reason. I don't know why. Vibe check says 'RUNNNNNN' even if he's smiling and being his usual towny self. That's a serial killer right there, I'm telling you.

I don't think I'm honestly okay with a Tric execution Day 1, even if there is something off. Executing Tric is the easy way out, a free execution for any scum that can use his 'weirdness' as an excuse to push him.

I'm scared enough of hector13. Maybe I'll reread and see if I can back up my gut.

As far as I’m aware, this is your most recent reads list, which has, what, 4 players as null? Vector, Toony, Max, NQT. You don’t say anything about Jim’s alignment either, so I’m going to say that’s a harsh read from me, and say 5, but whatevs the point is they’re there.

You’ve done exactly zero to clear up those spots, instead voting me based on a gut read which makes sense to me, you seem to have placed me in a pedestal over the years we’ve played, fine, I get it, but you also have done zero about that, too. I’ve had to prompt you to clear it’ll up what you mean and you respond with nonsense about fingertips and soliloquies, which kinda ended me giving you the benefit of the doubt ‘cause I asked for something easy to understand, and you’ve provided zero evidence for a read that could be cleared up with Pepto Bismol.

You are correct in your assertion that I have done little in the game. I don’t want to bring it up, but my excuse is I am responsible for a 9 month old child. What’s your’s?

I can post early in my morning when I am a grumpy so-and-so like in this post. I can post little and maybe often during the day when baby is awake. I can post late at night when I’m more prone to whimsy ‘cause I’m exhausted, and disinclined to do huge analysis. I missed making a funny early in the game that I noticed last night related to you and Jim, but neglected to post it because it would require trimming posts which is difficult to do when I exclusively PFP.

You seem to expect us to believe that you don’t know how to play mafia anymore, but you run games FFS and you discuss them in deadchat with the players. I like how you’ve said that confused play from KW makes him town though, implying the same from you must mean the same thing.

You want opinions? You, webadict, KW, with the proviso we’re like 36 hours into D1. I’d be happy with you or KW, because webadict is not going to get voted out on D1, probably ever.

Possibly Jim instead of webadict, but Jim PM’d me just to spite me and they was funny, I don’t think scum!Jim does that.

Webadict has said he’s coordinated investigative roles to look into me in the night. If I get cleared and can coast the rest of the game without having to prove I’m town, that suits me right down, down to Funkytown.

Tric, Toony, EJ are my top town picks, and I don’t really care about the rest other than Vector could post more, hopefully it’s nothing serious from storms or whatever.

PPE: I hope Max is going to claim kook.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 12:33:14 pm

I forgot to fake panic about me having an alignment-shielding role after saying I’d be okay being investigated!

Bugger.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 12:45:03 pm

That was easy. Hector is town or dopp leader.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 12:53:36 pm

One thing I will say is FoU has been rolefishing KW a couple of times (his first post and the reads list I quoted a few posts back) so maybe they’re not on a team together, but KW needs to post more anyway.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 01:01:26 pm

I'm going to give credit to the "Vector can't post" hypothesis and switch my vote to NQT.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2023, 01:05:07 pm

You know, I think it could actually be Knightwing64.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 01:19:50 pm

This is the most substantive post we've had from Knightwing in the game:

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 10:05:15 am

I don’t know

It’s D1 you maniac

What do you want from me

I guess Hector is a little suspicious.

Will he Beetlejuice and make an appearance if we say his name enough?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 01:21:26 pm

Ok, now I am MORE sure it's NQT.
Thanks Max 👍

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 01:25:12 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 01:19:50 pm

Will he Beetlejuice and make an appearance if we say his name enough?

I'm willing to find out.

Beetl

Knightwing64

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 01:26:25 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2023, 01:05:07 pm

You know, I think it could actually be Knightwing64.

How confident is this?

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 01:21:26 pm

Ok, now I am MORE sure it's NQT.
Thanks Max 👍

No problem.  👍

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 01:32:43 pm

Toony, Euchre, get on the KW wagon already.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 01:34:43 pm

While I'm not against voting Knightwing, I'd rather vote NQT or Vector.  Maybe even hector for that last post, but he's putting in some effort, so I don't want to yeeeet.

Also, I've been voted out Day 1 before!  I had to Daykill ToonyMan before he posted, and it was barely worth the loss, but it happened!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 01:39:42 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 01:32:43 pm

Toony, Euchre, get on the KW wagon already.

no u

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 01:34:43 pm

Also, I've been voted out Day 1 before!  I had to Daykill ToonyMan before he posted, and it was barely worth the loss, but it happened!

I didn't even post before dying? I remember posting on D1 though, maybe it was just my angry reaction which I do remember after dying.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 01:40:48 pm

Eh, fine, NQT.  Jack simping, here I goooooo!

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 01:39:42 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 01:32:43 pm

Toony, Euchre, get on the KW wagon already.

no u

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 01:34:43 pm

Also, I've been voted out Day 1 before!  I had to Daykill ToonyMan before he posted, and it was barely worth the loss, but it happened!

I didn't even post before dying? I remember posting on D1 though, maybe it was just my angry reaction which I do remember after dying.

You posted, but I had submitted the kill before you did.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 06, 2023, 01:41:23 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 01:32:43 pm

Toony, Euchre, get on the KW wagon already.

You sure about that?

In other news, I think it's Fallacy that's the dop. With a NQT partner if I'm being honest.

As for web, I'm going to go with the rule that if he's not dead by day 3, town wins unless he's scum. An hope for someone to investigate him, but whatever kooky does.

---

Nin. Jack, do the sheep thing!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 01:51:04 pm

Euchre, if you're voting me because I haven't posted a chart or something, it's D2 when I usually get in on the vote analysis stuff. D1 is all smoke and mirror nonsense. I like to work with the flips.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 01:56:33 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 06, 2023, 01:41:23 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 01:32:43 pm

Toony, Euchre, get on the KW wagon already.

You sure about that?

In other news, I think it's Fallacy that's the dop. With a NQT partner if I'm being honest.

As for web, I'm going to go with the rule that if he's not dead by day 3, town wins unless he's scum. An hope for someone to investigate him, but whatever kooky does.

---

Nin. Jack, do the sheep thing!

If you think NQT is his partner, why not vote out NQT first, and then FoU?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 01:58:59 pm

You’ve already got the investigative roles going after NQT, what difference does it make?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 02:01:58 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 09:12:48 am

Well, if it wasn't apparent I think Tric is town (nobody pointed out he was my top townread even though I was voting him...)

That's okay, without hammers votes are shitposts until the deadline anyway.

Quote from: Mephansteras on January 06, 2023, 11:45:07 am

I don't normally weigh in on players not posting, however:

Quote from: Vector on January 04, 2023, 12:27:02 am

FYI there's a huge storm going through California for the next two days and power outages are likely. I am still on break and will post if I have internet.

A bunch of my co-workers in Northern California lost power yesterday, so Vector may be legitimately offline for a little while. Hopefully they'll be able to get some posts in before Saturday.

Vector not posting is hardly out of the ordinary even under nominal power conditions.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 03:52:40 am

wordswordswords

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 12:32:24 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2023, 07:01:40 pm

wordswordswordswords

wordswordswordswords

Something feels off about this exchange and I can't quite put my finger on it. At minimum both players could have said the same thing with more brevity (FallacyofUrist gets a special demerit for typing out soliloquy while accusing hector13 of being verbose). Feels less like an exchange and more of a show.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 02:11:03 pm

I mean… I’m trying to show that FoU says a lot without saying anything at all. He’s suspicious of me to the point I must be scum but ca’ln’t figure out why, but is not making any effort to figure out why.

He also has no read on 5 other playsers, and is not doing anything about that either, which means he’s making no effort figuring out half the town, while knowing there are (at least) three scum out there.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2023, 02:13:58 pm

Toony: Not very, but I'm hoping that voting for him will make him say things that will increase my confidence.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 02:18:41 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 01:58:59 pm

You’ve already got the investigative roles going after NQT, what difference does it make?

They can go after Vector instead?  I don't really see the problem.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 02:27:20 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 02:18:41 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 01:58:59 pm

You’ve already got the investigative roles going after NQT, what difference does it make?

They can go after Vector instead?  I don't really see the problem.

No problem, I’d just rather see FoU flip before NQT, and you already went to the effort of coordinating investigate actions on NQT anyway.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 02:51:19 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 02:27:20 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 02:18:41 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 01:58:59 pm

You’ve already got the investigative roles going after NQT, what difference does it make?

They can go after Vector instead?  I don't really see the problem.

No problem, I’d just rather see FoU flip before NQT, and you already went to the effort of coordinating investigate actions on NQT anyway.

Well, that's really kind of you to think so generously about people I'm coordinating when you believe I'm likely to be scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 03:19:43 pm

I’m not thinking about them I’m thinking about you. Why go to the effort of coordinating to investigate NQT privately and then encourage people to vote him publicly? Seems a waste of time there, much like saying we shouldn’t vote for Tric and then voting for Tric. Quite frankly, I don’t believe this coordination exists.

You’re using the ability to PM other players to not make an effort in the thread because you can just claim to be pulling strings behind the scenes. That path was laid when you said you’d been messaging EJ early doors.

You’re the easiest townread for me, and I don’t believe if you were town you’d allow the game to be played in the back room, messaging one player at a time, when it’s easier to play it out on the main floor, when you just need to say something once.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 04:06:13 pm

Eurgh people backing up web in PMs.

Fine, benefit of the doubt for the time being; my scumread in him is based on speculation and unmet expectation.

*sigh*

Still happy with my scumread on FoU, probably cool with KW as scum also. I’ll figure out the third one at some point.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 04:16:19 pm

Is that so?  I don't see that, but perhaps you have biases that I don't understand.  Why do you not suspect NQT?  How does your read of KW differ from Vector?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 04:16:41 pm

I'm moving to being a Hectorite on the PM issue. No one's PMing me and now I feel like I'm missing out.

Also, I look forward to being town cleared at the start of D2. Hopefully not every investigatory role will waste a night on this, but if one does then it's a win for me.

---

Anyway, what is the argument that KW is town? Like, what about his posting filled Jack et al with so much confidence?

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 05:32:12 am

Knightwing64: I want to say is town, but not posting enough. Could be as confused by the setup as I am, which would account for the lack of effort. Slight town.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 12:23:52 am

Town but don't deserve it
Knightwing64

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 04:25:00 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 04:16:19 pm

Is that so?  I don't see that, but perhaps you have biases that I don't understand.  Why do you not suspect NQT?  How does your read of KW differ from Vector?

It’s not that I don’t suspect NQT, he’s one of the ones I’m not sure about, I’d just rather see other people flip before him.

Frankly KW and Vector are in the same boat. Neither of them have posted much, and I’m not huge on making decisions based on nothing. Vector did give an excuse pre-game though, which is why I’m voting KW in the hope that they actually post.

Where I’m at is FoU is scumlocked, and there’s probably scum among KW, Vector ,NQT, Jim, and Max, in approximate descending order of likelihood.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 04:26:38 pm

You also said there are investigators that are possibly looking at NQT too, so his slot being solved that way means I’d prefer to look elsewhere for a D1 vote.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 06, 2023, 04:27:12 pm

The main issue is that town or scum knightwing will just coast along never committing to anything. It's just what happens. Count up the number of posts he's made this game and their content, it's likely not much.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 04:49:11 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 04:25:00 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 04:16:19 pm

Is that so?  I don't see that, but perhaps you have biases that I don't understand.  Why do you not suspect NQT?  How does your read of KW differ from Vector?

It’s not that I don’t suspect NQT, he’s one of the ones I’m not sure about, I’d just rather see other people flip before him.

Frankly KW and Vector are in the same boat. Neither of them have posted much, and I’m not huge on making decisions based on nothing. Vector did give an excuse pre-game though, which is why I’m voting KW in the hope that they actually post.

Where I’m at is FoU is scumlocked, and there’s probably scum among KW, Vector ,NQT, Jim, and Max, in approximate descending order of likelihood.

I don't agree on FoU, Jim, or Max.  Jim, because Kook.  Max because he's not scumtelling.  And, FoU because he seems like he's putting in thought to his reads, and he usually acts a bit wilder as scum.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 04:16:41 pm

I'm moving to being a Hectorite on the PM issue. No one's PMing me and now I feel like I'm missing out.

Also, I look forward to being town cleared at the start of D2. Hopefully not every investigatory role will waste a night on this, but if one does then it's a win for me.

---

Anyway, what is the argument that KW is town? Like, what about his posting filled Jack et al with so much confidence?

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 05:32:12 am

Knightwing64: I want to say is town, but not posting enough. Could be as confused by the setup as I am, which would account for the lack of effort. Slight town.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 12:23:52 am

Town but don't deserve it
Knightwing64

I would PM you, but I think you're scum, so I don't see how that would benefit me.  If you decided to PM other people, you'd be getting more PMs, so there is that.  Just do what I do and claim to random people you think are Town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 04:54:29 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 04:25:00 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 04:16:19 pm

Is that so?  I don't see that, but perhaps you have biases that I don't understand.  Why do you not suspect NQT?  How does your read of KW differ from Vector?

It’s not that I don’t suspect NQT, he’s one of the ones I’m not sure about, I’d just rather see other people flip before him.

Frankly KW and Vector are in the same boat. Neither of them have posted much, and I’m not huge on making decisions based on nothing. Vector did give an excuse pre-game though, which is why I’m voting KW in the hope that they actually post.

Where I’m at is FoU is scumlocked, and there’s probably scum among KW, Vector ,NQT, Jim, and Max, in approximate descending order of likelihood.

Why do you think those folk are scum, in descending order of likelihood?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 04:57:08 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 04:16:41 pm

Anyway, what is the argument that KW is town? Like, what about his posting filled Jack et al with so much confidence?

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 05:32:12 am

Knightwing64: I want to say is town, but not posting enough. Could be as confused by the setup as I am, which would account for the lack of effort. Slight town.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 12:23:52 am

Town but don't deserve it
Knightwing64

It's more like "Knightwing isn't the most important player for me to examine"
But let's turn that question around: Why are you so sure Knightwing is scum?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 05:05:49 pm

I don’t see any thought in FoU’s reads. He basically has five null reads and has an upset tummy read for his sole scumpick, and he appears to be making zero effort in solving those.

PPE: those are the players I am not sure about. KW popped up and then left, Vector has posted once as far as I can tell, NQT is… it feels like he’s doing things just to look like he’s doing things, but he’s here, and the previous two aren’t.

Jim seems a bit more serious than usual, but he did PM me with a quote of me saying I don’t want PMs just to spite me, which was funny, and gives a little town-cred over the others. Max is quite difficult for me to read so he generally always sits as a null read.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 05:07:16 pm

Ugh distractions.

FoU has been promoted by me a handful of times to elaborate on his read of me and has prevaricated each time with talk of Sharpness and soliloquies and fingertips. It doesn’t mean anything.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Vector on January 06, 2023, 05:24:10 pm

Storm is over, no chickens flew away. I haven't been able to reread yet but I'll do some good posting later tonight after work.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Mamobo on January 06, 2023, 05:32:48 pm

Vote Count
------------------------
-> Knightwing64 --4-- hector13* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442866#msg8442866), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443299#msg8443299), notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443305#msg8443305), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443309#msg8443309),
hector13        --2-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442788#msg8442788), FallacyofUrist* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443005#msg8443005),
notquitethere   --2-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443296#msg8443296), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443319#msg8443319),
FallacyofUrist  --1-- TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443320#msg8443320),
Vector          --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443229#msg8443229),
webadict        --1-- Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442727#msg8442727),
EuchreJack      --0--
Jim Groovester  --0--
Maximum Spin    --0--
ToonyMan        --0--
TricMagic       --0--
No One          --0--

Not Voting      --0--

6 to Hammer. Day ends on January 07, 2023 at 19:00 Central Standard Time (~26 hours remaining).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 05:43:57 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 04:16:41 pm

Anyway, what is the argument that KW is town?

Feeeeeeeeeel, mostly. I don't think Knightwing64 can do anything except wear his heart on his sleeve, and this feels Knightwing64 not having anything to hide.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 05:52:28 pm

It's easy to appear like you have nothing to hide if you don't say anything for half the game but ok. I think the game where he won as a serial-killer ally showed he's capable of being underestimated.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 05:58:18 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 05:52:28 pm

It's easy to appear like you have nothing to hide if you don't say anything for half the game but ok. I think the game where he won as a serial-killer ally showed he's capable of being underestimated.

Which game was that?  The only game I recall with a Knightwing SK win was with Knightwing being Town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 05:58:32 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 05:52:28 pm

It's easy to appear like you have nothing to hide if you don't say anything for half the game but ok. I think the game where he won as a serial-killer ally showed he's capable of being underestimated.

Didn't he literally claim that in-thread? I'm pretty sure he straight up told everyone "guys I am town but can also win with a SK if they exist" and that was 100% the truth. Because he submitted a role name that had Dubious in it or something.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 06:14:14 pm

Right, and he still won with the bad guys! That wasn't a town win!

I'm struggling to take seriously the "KW is always open" perspective. You guys don't seriously believe KW is dumb enough to go "oh damn, I got doppelganger and now a bunch of people are chatting to me in a quicktopic"?? If anything, you'd expect a town!KW to be more forthcoming than he has been, right?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 06:17:37 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 06:14:14 pm

Right, and he still won with the bad guys! That wasn't a town win!

He was playing to win with town the whole game. He screamed town. I screamed he was town. He was town until the very last second. I don't have a strong opinion of KW in this game yet, but I think your attack is very malicious on his character.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 06:18:47 pm

I'm with Toony on this one...  This feels like a really big grasp at straws...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: TricMagic on January 06, 2023, 06:44:44 pm

NQT, care to do an analysis on me using that same logic?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 06:45:04 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 12:32:24 pm

[1] As far as I’m aware, this is your most recent reads list, which has, what, 4 players as null? Vector, Toony, Max, NQT. You don’t say anything about Jim’s alignment either, so I’m going to say that’s a harsh read from me, and say 5, but whatevs the point is they’re there.

[2] You’ve done exactly zero to clear up those spots, instead voting me based on a gut read which makes sense to me, you seem to have placed me in a pedestal over the years we’ve played, fine, I get it, but you also have done zero about that, too. I’ve had to prompt you to clear it’ll up what you mean and you respond with nonsense about fingertips and soliloquies, which kinda ended me giving you the benefit of the doubt ‘cause I asked for something easy to understand, and you’ve provided zero evidence for a read that could be cleared up with Pepto Bismol.

[3] You are correct in your assertion that I have done little in the game. I don’t want to bring it up, but my excuse is I am responsible for a 9 month old child. What’s your’s?

[3] I can post early in my morning when I am a grumpy so-and-so like in this post. I can post little and maybe often during the day when baby is awake. I can post late at night when I’m more prone to whimsy ‘cause I’m exhausted, and disinclined to do huge analysis. I missed making a funny early in the game that I noticed last night related to you and Jim, but neglected to post it because it would require trimming posts which is difficult to do when I exclusively PFP.

[4] You seem to expect us to believe that you don’t know how to play mafia anymore, but you run games FFS and you discuss them in deadchat with the players. [5] I like how you’ve said that confused play from KW makes him town though, implying the same from you must mean the same thing.

[6] You want opinions? You, webadict, KW, with the proviso we’re like 36 hours into D1. I’d be happy with you or KW, because webadict is not going to get voted out on D1, probably ever.

Possibly Jim instead of webadict, but Jim PM’d me just to spite me and they was funny, I don’t think scum!Jim does that.

Webadict has said he’s coordinated investigative roles to look into me in the night. If I get cleared and can coast the rest of the game without having to prove I’m town, that suits me right down, down to Funkytown.

Tric, Toony, EJ are my top town picks, and I don’t really care about the rest other than Vector could post more, hopefully it’s nothing serious from storms or whatever.

PPE: I hope Max is going to claim kook.

Okay, I think at least some of the counterpoints you're making are misleading, possibly intentionally. I definitely appreciate the insights you're putting in, here - this is the most content-heavy post you've made all game.

[1] I think it's fully reasonable of me to be willing to delay reading less heavy posters until they provide more content. Toony, Jim, and NQT have done so by now (and honestly I should have looked harder into Toony initially, I admitted that already in a subsequent post) so I can take the time to read them better now. Vector, alas, will have to wait.

[2] I thought my position was easy to understand. I don't think I was clear enough. Allow me to elaborate.

[3] I didn't cotton onto you not posting. I noticed that you were posting, and at an okay level, it just contained nothing of value. I'm not saying you were lurking, I'm saying you were active lurking, which is a classic scumtell. That's why I confirmed my vote on you.

[4] I'm going to make a distinction between running games and playing them. I'm an okay setup designer - though you've seen how badly things can go, still. But being good at designing setups doesn't really translate to being good at playing them. They require separate skills. I don't see why you made that argument.

[5] I don't think that far ahead, buddy.

[6] Thank you for this section, though.

I think I've accomplished what I've wanted to accomplish with this vote, now that you're actively and actually engaging with the day game.

Unvote.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 06:54:48 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 06:45:04 pm

wordswordswordswordswordswords

This exchange with hector13 continues to make me uneasy.

If I put myself in FallacyofUrist's position, do I feel like anything substantive has changed about how hector13 has played to warrant the unvote here? I'm not so sure.

I'll have to look at this with a more detailed eye later.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 06:45:04 pm

Unvote.

I know I said votes are shitposts until the deadline, but if it's not hector13 for you, then who?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 06:59:31 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 06:45:04 pm

[3] I didn't cotton onto you not posting. I noticed that you were posting, and at an okay level, it just contained nothing of value. I'm not saying you were lurking, I'm saying you were active lurking, which is a classic scumtell. That's why I confirmed my vote on you.

@Fallacy: I thought the above was a great Townie thing to say.  That got me to thinking, you might be able to improve your Town game by giving us valuable insights from your extensive experience on the other side of things.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 06:54:48 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 06:45:04 pm

wordswordswordswordswordswords

This exchange with hector13 continues to make me uneasy.

If I put myself in FallacyofUrist's position, do I feel like anything substantive has changed about how hector13 has played to warrant the unvote here? I'm not so sure.

I'll have to look at this with a more detailed eye later.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 06:45:04 pm

Unvote.

I know I said votes are shitposts until the deadline, but if it's not hector13 for you, then who?

...but yeah, as Town, you gotta apply pressure.  Letting people "off the hook" should be done with purpose. 
Like, I dunno, actually thinking they're town rather than "maybe they're not scum..."

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 07:00:05 pm

Myself, obviously.

No, no.

It's easier to cross people off the list than it is to put them on it. Knightwing is acting lost and confused, so he's town. Tric is similar, but a little sus, except executing Tric is just kind of pointless as a Day 1. It's effectively informationless. Vector is absent for understandable reasons. Hector finally started interacting, so he's out. Web is the towniest person here, so he's out. EuchreJack would definitely claim his role early as town, so he's out.

Who does that leave?

You (Jim). Toony. NQT. Maximum Spin.

I'm considering between NQT and Spin currently.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 07:02:50 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 07:00:05 pm

Myself, obviously.

No, no.

It's easier to cross people off the list than it is to put them on it. Knightwing is acting lost and confused, so he's town. Tric is similar, but a little sus, except executing Tric is just kind of pointless as a Day 1. It's effectively informationless. Vector is absent for understandable reasons. Hector finally started interacting, so he's out. Web is the towniest person here, so he's out. EuchreJack would definitely claim his role early as town, so he's out.

Who does that leave?

You (Jim). Toony. NQT. Maximum Spin.

I'm considering between NQT and Spin currently.

This is how you do that:
Vote one, use a Finger of Suspicion (FOS) in BLUE for the other, and make clear that you'll flip from one to the other at the drop of hat.
Then you've got BOTH of them in the hot seat, WIN WIN

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 07:04:15 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 01:01:26 pm

I'm going to give credit to the "Vector can't post" hypothesis and switch my vote to NQT.

You could also just do this...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 07:12:35 pm

You know what? Sure.

Let's try that.

notquitethere.

Goes from

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 10:02:16 am

KW: typical KW so far. Falls in the same category as Tric, like, probably don't want them deciding the game at LYLO regardless of alignment

To

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 01:19:50 pm

This is the most substantive post we've had from Knightwing in the game:

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 10:05:15 am

I don’t know

It’s D1 you maniac

What do you want from me

I guess Hector is a little suspicious.

Will he Beetlejuice and make an appearance if we say his name enough?

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 04:16:41 pm

Anyway, what is the argument that KW is town? Like, what about his posting filled Jack et al with so much confidence?

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 05:32:12 am

Knightwing64: I want to say is town, but not posting enough. Could be as confused by the setup as I am, which would account for the lack of effort. Slight town.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 12:23:52 am

Town but don't deserve it
Knightwing64

Quote from: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 05:52:28 pm

It's easy to appear like you have nothing to hide if you don't say anything for half the game but ok. I think the game where he won as a serial-killer ally showed he's capable of being underestimated.

Essentially, he went from saying Knightwing was playing as normal to hard pushing Knightwing for execution with no provocation. That strikes me as scum striking for an easy execution.

---

Maximum Spin.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2023, 01:05:07 pm

You know, I think it could actually be Knightwing64.

Hops on NQT's bandwagon. Actually, no, he places the first vote on Knightwing. Gives no reasoning. Then NQT follows up.

Could scum really be this blatant?

Two scum chase Knightwing, then one scum shows up and offers a spontaneous (also town) alternative execution. Either way town dies.

Also very inactive, now that I'm looking over things. So now I'm thinking it's less 'one or the other is scum' (which now that I think about it I really thought for no reason) and thinking more 'these folks could be scum together'.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 06, 2023, 07:14:10 pm

I’m sorry for not posting a lot, my power and Wi-Fi have been turning off and on very erratically.


So while you guys can expect posts, they will be scarcer then usual until I can figure this out

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 07:17:09 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 07:12:35 pm

Hops on NQT's bandwagon. Actually, no, he places the first vote on Knightwing. Gives no reasoning. Then NQT follows up.

Could scum really be this blatant?

Welcome to Maxland. Pretty sure he does this as town here too.

I think NQT is mafia.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2023, 07:26:55 pm

I'm going to bed. But to be clear, I wasn't trying to say KW was acting as a serial killer in that other game, I expressed that poorly. What I am trying to say is that he's easy to underestimate.

Just as I'm apparently easy to overestimate!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 07:40:42 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 07:12:35 pm

Essentially, he went from saying Knightwing was playing as normal to hard pushing Knightwing for execution with no provocation. That strikes me as scum striking for an easy execution.

You need to read closer. notquitethere's reads list is ranked from town to scum and Knightwing64 is ranked near the bottom.



I spot checked notquitethere's posts to see if FallacyofUrist's feelings on him held water.

I'm going to go out on a limb, and I could be wrong, but I feel like it's not notquitethere.

FallacyofUrist feels artificial.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 07:49:23 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 07:40:42 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 07:12:35 pm

Essentially, he went from saying Knightwing was playing as normal to hard pushing Knightwing for execution with no provocation. That strikes me as scum striking for an easy execution.

You need to read closer. notquitethere's reads list is ranked from town to scum and Knightwing64 is ranked near the bottom.

All NQT says there is 'Knightwing is acting as normal'.

I don't see how that translates to 'Here's why Knightwing is scummy'.

Even the reasoning he gives after he votes just looks like conspiracy theories.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 10:53:51 pm

Correct.  NQT's list may have been ordered, but his list has no actual suspicions on it.

This kinda maps to what hector was saying, in that hector claimed FoU has too many nulls... But NQT's list feels exactly the same, and hector seemed to find no issue with this until pressed.  Look at hector's list changes as they go, where NQT isn't mentioned (being null, I assume) to being in his PoE.

I really feel like there is high coordination between NQT and hector this game.  It feels highly w/w.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 11:05:07 pm

All my null reads are in my PoE.

To be perfectly honest when NQT posted his reads I skimmed over it because I didn’t care that much about anyone other than FoU. Still don’t to be honest.

Max was the one that PM’d me so, to be fair, he shouldn’t have been in it though.

You mentioned earlier you think FoU is putting a lot of thought into his reads, could you provide examples of that?

FoU, ‘cause we’re getting into the last 24 hours and my availability is uncertain on weekends.

Long story short, FoU should still be voting me as I’m engaging in classic scumtells (not asking questions of other people, only really engaging with people if they explicitly ask me questions, focusing on the person who was most pushing my case) and one of the things scum find most difficult to do is realistically fake a developing read on someone, which this is a pretty classic example of.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 11:16:30 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 11:05:07 pm

Long story short, FoU should still be voting me as I’m engaging in classic scumtells (not asking questions of other people, only really engaging with people if they explicitly ask me questions, focusing on the person who was most pushing my case)

I think you're mistaking "classic" with "newbie". If even one player on the scumteam has any experience whatsoever, they should be able to avoid two-out-of-three of those tells.

...you're also describing Town!Knightwing, Town!Max, and Town!Vector.  ::)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 11:16:38 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 07:40:42 pm

I'm going to go out on a limb, and I could be wrong, but I feel like it's not notquitethere.

FallacyofUrist feels artificial.

I usually find NQT and FoU naturally scummy at least.

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 10:53:51 pm

I really feel like there is high coordination between NQT and hector this game.  It feels highly w/w.

Maybe. I think Hector has sounded pretty genuine though. It's like...the opposite of how FoU and NQT make me feel.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 11:18:43 pm

Has FallacyOfUrist grabbed the spotlight?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Mamobo on January 06, 2023, 11:19:15 pm

Vote Count
------------------------
-> Knightwing64  --3-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443299#msg8443299), notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443305#msg8443305), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443309#msg8443309),
-> notquitethere --3-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443296#msg8443296), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443319#msg8443319), FallacyofUrist* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443462#msg8443462),
FallacyofUrist   --2-- TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443320#msg8443320), hector13* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443542#msg8443542),
hector13         --1-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442788#msg8442788),
Vector           --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443229#msg8443229),
webadict         --1-- Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442727#msg8442727),
EuchreJack       --0--
Jim Groovester   --0--
Maximum Spin     --0--
ToonyMan         --0--
TricMagic        --0--
No One           --0--

Not Voting       --0--

6 to Hammer. Day ends on January 07, 2023 at 19:00 Central Standard Time (20 hours and 40 minutes remaining.)

NOTE: In the event of a tie, the Mafia chooses the execution target.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 11:23:34 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 10:53:51 pm

I really feel like there is high coordination between NQT and hector this game.  It feels highly w/w.

Even this?

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 11:54:38 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 11:49:37 am

Also also, is it xenophobia if I am also British, but don’t like it?

I didn't know that. We should get a beer the next time you're in Hampshire.

I kinda see your point about the PMs but I can think of a few cases where it'd be worthwhile. Overall, wanting or not wanting to use them is NAI, right?

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 12:13:10 pm

I don’t think I’ve ever been down that way. England was never really on the cards as a destination, though my school apparently thought Alton Towers was a good end of year reward for whatever bizarre points game they were playing. I also went to London twice and did not enjoy it, but I was there on my own in stressful circumstances (emigrating) and the second time heavily sleep deprived because for some reason there were no flights for the time in the morning I needed to be there so had to get the sleeper train down, which is a misnomer, as there was precious little of that going on.

My point with policy voting Brits was it’s just as arbitrary for policy voting Tric for being pants.

And yes, PMs or not is NAI, I just wanted to make sure y’all knew I’m not interested. It’s like third parties, they can go… away.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 12:22:59 pm

I see your handle even says you're Scottish. When I was a kid I lived up near Aberdeen (went to school in Ellon) for a bit. Moving to and from there was a long way to go. The last time I was in the vicinity was to climb Ben Nevis, but that was some time ago. In a chippie in Inverness I made sure to try the infamous deep fried Mars Bar.

Do Hector and NQT make this exchange if they're partners? Maybe it's a neat coincidence that they took advantage of, but this does look very natural to me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 11:24:17 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 07:40:42 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2023, 07:12:35 pm

Essentially, he went from saying Knightwing was playing as normal to hard pushing Knightwing for execution with no provocation. That strikes me as scum striking for an easy execution.

You need to read closer. notquitethere's reads list is ranked from town to scum and Knightwing64 is ranked near the bottom.



I spot checked notquitethere's posts to see if FallacyofUrist's feelings on him held water.

I'm going to go out on a limb, and I could be wrong, but I feel like it's not notquitethere.

FallacyofUrist feels artificial.

@Jim: Psst, if you vote Fallacy, I'll vote Fallacy too. How about it?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 11:28:50 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 11:16:30 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 11:05:07 pm

Long story short, FoU should still be voting me as I’m engaging in classic scumtells (not asking questions of other people, only really engaging with people if they explicitly ask me questions, focusing on the person who was most pushing my case)

I think you're mistaking "classic" with "newbie". If even one player on the scumteam has any experience whatsoever, they should be able to avoid two-out-of-three of those tells.

...you're also describing Town!Knightwing, Town!Max, and Town!Vector.  ::)

One thing FoU is not is new. He and I have been playing for years, it’s just he moved into modding a lot more than playing. He may be rusty,  but I don’t think that excuses his lack of action in this game.

I know he thinks highly of me, which is part of the reason he got away with his gut read on me for so long, but he’s done nothing to provide evidence for it and he hasn’t poked at his null reads either. The same could be said of me, which is why I don’t understand why he moved away from me.

KW and Vector are on my list of people to be wary of, but I can’t really do anything about that if they don’t post. Vector had a meteorological excuse, and has promised activity, and KW has given an excuse, reasonable or otherwise. Max is the least of my concerns right now, given he PM’d me vouching for webadict and I l have doubts he would do that as scum, but scum!Max does like the swag plays *shrug*

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 11:37:34 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 11:16:38 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 07:40:42 pm

I'm going to go out on a limb, and I could be wrong, but I feel like it's not notquitethere.

FallacyofUrist feels artificial.

I usually find NQT and FoU naturally scummy at least.

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 10:53:51 pm

I really feel like there is high coordination between NQT and hector this game.  It feels highly w/w.

Maybe. I think Hector has sounded pretty genuine though. It's like...the opposite of how FoU and NQT make me feel.

I'm in agreement that hector looks the best out of the two of them, but they feel pretty entangled to me.  hector seems excusable, so I'm totally fine not voting him out, since he's already got things going, but NQT doesn't appear to have the same excuse, and I find it odd that we have Knightwing up to vote here, and you're not doing much to stop it, Toony.  I feel like you kinda have a prerogative to step up and start directing people if you think Knightwing is Town.

Do you think Knightwing is Town?

I think NQT is a Dopp here, and I think there's some attempts to move that attention on NQT elsewhere.  I have no idea why Tric is trying to go after FoU, but I don't see who could possibly be on FoU's team if he's scum unless there's an active hit job by at least one of his teammates.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 11:23:34 pm

Do Hector and NQT make this exchange if they're partners? Maybe it's a neat coincidence that they took advantage of, but this does look very natural to me.

It's... literally not about the game except the PM part?  So yes?  I don't understand the issue.  That's not exactly game relevant information.  There's nothing inherently incriminating from either party in it that would point to the other as scum for doing that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 06, 2023, 11:43:11 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 11:28:50 pm

One thing FoU is not is new. He and I have been playing for years, it’s just he moved into modding a lot more than playing. He may be rusty,  but I don’t think that excuses his lack of action in this game.

I actually think you should think of this differently.  FoU has rarely played Town in his many games.  He's not actually that great at Town.  You're putting an onus on him that seems to be far weightier than expected.  Not that I don't disagree that he's experienced, or that he should be better, but I kinda don't expect him to.  Is that fair?  I dunno.  But, it's how I feel.  It's why I think you're wrong.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2023, 11:52:50 pm

I'm comfortable moving to notquitethere, tentatively. However, let me state for the record that Knightwing has failed to impress me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 12:08:00 am

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 11:43:11 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 11:28:50 pm

One thing FoU is not is new. He and I have been playing for years, it’s just he moved into modding a lot more than playing. He may be rusty,  but I don’t think that excuses his lack of action in this game.

I actually think you should think of this differently.  FoU has rarely played Town in his many games.  He's not actually that great at Town.  You're putting an onus on him that seems to be far weightier than expected.  Not that I don't disagree that he's experienced, or that he should be better, but I kinda don't expect him to.  Is that fair?  I dunno.  But, it's how I feel.  It's why I think you're wrong.

I’m not expecting greatness from him, ‘cause I’m certainly not playing to my best here either, but he expressed here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443005#msg8443005) knowledge of what he needed to do to help either clear up his gut read or provide evidence for it by reading the game, but I don’t think he’s done that.

I reread some of his posts and I feel I might be being harsh on him in terms of his gut read on me, but I don’t think my play has changed materially between me asking him about his read on me and his unvote.

I would love him to be town in the game because he’s a player from my “generation” as it were and I’ve had a lot of fun with him over the years, but I don’t see it

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:39:46 am

Are you guys having a weird fight?

Alright, maybe hector's in the up-and-up...  I'm willing to say he's probably Town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:49:07 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2023, 11:52:50 pm

I'm comfortable moving to notquitethere, tentatively. However, let me state for the record that Knightwing has failed to impress me.

How sure are you on Knightwing?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 12:52:11 am

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:49:07 am

How sure are you on Knightwing?

Not enough to be comfortable voting him out today, enough to be comfortable voting him out tomorrow if he doesn't shape up.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 12:58:15 am

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:39:46 am

Are you guys having a weird fight?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(https://i.imgflip.com/76my1l.jpg)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 01:06:32 am

...I think that's called "dating"

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2023, 01:12:00 am

The Whiteboard
notquitethere: 4: EuchreJack, FallacyofUrist, Maximum Spin, webadict
FallacyofUrist: 2: hector13, TricMagic
Knightwing64: 2: Jim Groovester, notquitethere
hector13: 1: Knightwing64
Vector: 1: ToonyMan
webadict: 1: Vector

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Saturday (tomorrow)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Vector on January 07, 2023, 01:39:54 am

I apologize to everyone for this but I should ask to be replaced. Normally I try to play even if my D1 has been hot garbage, but I got some surprising blood tests results back this week (thanks, COVID!) and need to make some lifestyle changes. I'm just not focusing on this well right now and probably need to relax and work on health stuff.

Sorry y'all. I'll try to get in on the next BYOR or whatever.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 02:13:18 am

See you next time.



Re: notquitethere: Even if I don't agree with notquitethere about Knightwing64 I think his behavior around his vote slants town rather than scum I.e., asking other people about their reads on Knightwing64, challenging the assumptions going into the reads, trying to coalesce a consensus around the vote, not letting the more widely held opinion sway his own, etc. Not to say scum don't do these things or that scum nqt wouldn't do these things, but I think town nqt engages this way much more readily than scum nqt.

I don't think a nqt lynch finds scum here.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 11:16:38 pm

I usually find NQT and FoU naturally scummy at least.

Well yeah FoU is alwaysscum for a reason.

There was one game, and I can't remember what it was, where FallacyofUrist felt like town and actually was. I remember being in a spectator chat at the time.

This does not feel like that FoU.

PFP so I can't elaborate too hard, but are FoU's soliloquy comment and his comment about me being a rolling stone and others (which I would elaborate on if I weren't pfping) what somebody types out if they actually believe what they're saying, or is it performative? Because it feels a lot like the latter to me.

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 06, 2023, 11:24:17 pm

@Jim: Psst, if you vote Fallacy, I'll vote Fallacy too. How about it?

You're on.

FallacyofUrist.

Goddamn do I hate pfping.

Also I'm visiting family right now but there's not much going on or to do up here so I shouldn't be too unavailable but I expect I might not be around for the deadline, which is ironic given my comments about when votes stop being shitposts.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 02:14:45 am

Somebody convince me it is notquitethere because I frequently find myself holding water for the scumteam.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 02:30:31 am

I really wish I hadn't stopped weightlifting for months because now I'm weak and worse than being weak I feel weak.

I can push my bodyweight off my chest, but can I push the bodyweight of everybody playing this game off my chest? I'm not so sure.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 02:32:04 am

… y’alright there Jim?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 02:32:34 am

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 11:37:34 pm

I find it odd that we have Knightwing up to vote here, and you're not doing much to stop it, Toony.  I feel like you kinda have a prerogative to step up and start directing people if you think Knightwing is Town.

Why work much when do work little?

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 11:37:34 pm

Do you think Knightwing is Town?

Softly, yes. I feel like he is acting on his own. I'm not fully confident yet, but I don't think he's vote worthy.

I'm not surprised Max switched their vote off of them because he probably feels similarly.

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 11:37:34 pm

I think NQT is a Dopp here, and I think there's some attempts to move that attention on NQT elsewhere.  I have no idea why Tric is trying to go after FoU, but I don't see who could possibly be on FoU's team if he's scum unless there's an active hit job by at least one of his teammates.

And I don't see how Tric could be mafia unless he's with you.

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 11:37:34 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 11:23:34 pm

Do Hector and NQT make this exchange if they're partners? Maybe it's a neat coincidence that they took advantage of, but this does look very natural to me.

It's... literally not about the game except the PM part?  So yes?  I don't understand the issue.  That's not exactly game relevant information.  There's nothing inherently incriminating from either party in it that would point to the other as scum for doing that.

I think the important part is that it's completely unnecessary and ties to their real life circumstances. This is my personal opinion, but I feel like players that know they are partners may feel more awkward with each other when communicating in public, this leads me to believe that perfectly natural looking exchanges like this come off as two players who don't have a secret agenda together. That is my interpretation. I sometimes make incorrect assessments of situations like this, but does this seem wrong?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 02:38:42 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 02:32:04 am

… y’alright there Jim?

He's just telling us how he feels. I do the same thing a lot (as town).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 02:48:05 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 02:32:04 am

… y’alright there Jim?

Didn't I just say I'm WEAK

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 02:51:46 am

Earlier Reads (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442898#msg8442898)

Town
Tric - protector claim, will protect mafia on N1
Jack - enchantress claim, I think they're being upfront and paranoid like proper Jack
Jim - kook claim, feeling pretty honest
Knightwing - need more, can't have any

Time Will Tell
Hector - I think this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443288#msg8443288) pretty much reveals that Hector is town or a dopp leader
Webadict - playing 4-D chess, probably town?
Max - what's going on here, I think they're probably town right now

The Suspects
Vector - gone with the wind
FoU - Roden called out FoU for being incredibly fake sounding in like Matrix6 or something and he was exactly right so maybe there's merit to Jim's suspicions
NQT - why the attack on Knightwing?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 02:55:23 am

My pragmatic self wants to continue voting Vector so that we can at least remove a replacement slot for this game. I don't think it's the worst thing ever either since it's possible they're mafia.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 03:09:26 am

Also I like how Jim PM'd Hector after Hector said he wasn't going to do PMs. And I like Hector coming to the conclusion that Jim feels town because of that. I think that's good.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 05:05:54 am

Holy smoke and mirrors, mountains and molehills.

I vote KW explicitly to get more out of him. It's D1, all your votes are trash anyway. Then I justify the vote more after reading back on him, seeing he's done nothing and people often underestimate him.

That's it. There's no greater mystery.

It sucks because I finally got a fun role. I'm down for a full claim?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:34:30 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 12:08:00 am

I reread some of his posts and I feel I might be being harsh on him in terms of his gut read on me, but I don’t think my play has changed materially between me asking him about his read on me and his unvote.

I'd like to argue the opposite here.

~~~~~

Example posts from hector before I voted him:

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 02:41:59 am

Can anyone tell me what we’re going to learn from this slightly ridiculous bandwagon?

Really, the first person off the wagon should be Tric though. I’ve got no love for policy voting you dude, but self-voting in RVS is - as we see with the majority of the town voting you - tremendously unhelpful. Poke someone.

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 12:13:10 pm

My point with policy voting Brits was it’s just as arbitrary for policy voting Tric for being pants.

And yes, PMs or not is NAI, I just wanted to make sure y’all knew I’m not interested. It’s like third parties, they can go… away.

Quote from: hector13 on January 05, 2023, 07:23:35 pm

T’be fair the scum might have been told the town PMs don’t necessarily explicitly say their town, so it’s quite possible this isn’t clearing anyway.

Observational, passive viewpoint. Scum-like 'I'm giving helpful comments so I'm town, right guys?' activity. I know when I play scum I like to take situations and comment on how they're developing so people think I'm interacting.

~~~~~

Example posts from hector after I voted him:

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 04:25:00 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 04:16:19 pm

Is that so?  I don't see that, but perhaps you have biases that I don't understand.  Why do you not suspect NQT?  How does your read of KW differ from Vector?

It’s not that I don’t suspect NQT, he’s one of the ones I’m not sure about, I’d just rather see other people flip before him.

Frankly KW and Vector are in the same boat. Neither of them have posted much, and I’m not huge on making decisions based on nothing. Vector did give an excuse pre-game though, which is why I’m voting KW in the hope that they actually post.

Where I’m at is FoU is scumlocked, and there’s probably scum among KW, Vector ,NQT, Jim, and Max, in approximate descending order of likelihood.

Quote from: hector13 on January 06, 2023, 05:05:49 pm

I don’t see any thought in FoU’s reads. He basically has five null reads and has an upset tummy read for his sole scumpick, and he appears to be making zero effort in solving those.

PPE: those are the players I am not sure about. KW popped up and then left, Vector has posted once as far as I can tell, NQT is… it feels like he’s doing things just to look like he’s doing things, but he’s here, and the previous two aren’t.

Jim seems a bit more serious than usual, but he did PM me with a quote of me saying I don’t want PMs just to spite me, which was funny, and gives a little town-cred over the others. Max is quite difficult for me to read so he generally always sits as a null read.

Direct attention, hunting for the scummiest players.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a substantive shift. And either you're scum taking this as an opportunity to shift your playstyle, or you're town and you've started properly contributing - at the moment it's like 20-80 or 30-70 odds, I give it - so it's not worth a vote on you right now.

Not when there's fresher meat to bite into.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:43:37 am

Quote from: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 05:05:54 am

Holy smoke and mirrors, mountains and molehills.

I vote KW explicitly to get more out of him. It's D1, all your votes are trash anyway. Then I justify the vote more after reading back on him, seeing he's done nothing and people often underestimate him.

That's it. There's no greater mystery.

It sucks because I finally got a fun role. I'm down for a full claim?

I hate to say it, but KW doing nothing is not a scumtell. It's a KWtell.

Pick a better target.

Claim if you want but you still look scummy for going after possibly the easiest possible target other than Tric and trying to rustle up a quick bandwagon.

Or maybe that's too obvious.

See, this is why I try not to think in too many layers when I play mafia. WIFOM is completely unpredictable and at some point you just have to choose an interpretation and go with it, because that's more likely to succeed than being stuck between three possible realities.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:49:35 am

Is it wrong of me to say I don't give a shit about your role?

I don't think I care what your role is, unless you're offering some major value and are willing to back it up Day 2.

A public Day 1 claim is risky and subject to dopp interference during the Night, anyways.

Whatever role you claim doesn't change how you've been behaving, and I doubt it somehow justifies it either.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 07:52:03 am

You heathens

I want to do stuff

I just literally can’t

Power seems to have fixed itself, thankfully

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 11:23:18 am

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 07:52:03 am

You heathens

I want to do stuff

I just literally can’t

Power seems to have fixed itself, thankfully

I'd vote Knightwing for this.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2023, 11:29:57 am

The Whiteboard
notquitethere: 4: EuchreJack, FallacyofUrist, Maximum Spin, webadict
FallacyofUrist: 3: hector13, Jim Groovester, TricMagic
hector13: 1: Knightwing64
Knightwing64: 1: notquitethere
Vector: 1: ToonyMan

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific today, ~8.5 hours.

Vector has asked for a Replacement, their vote has been cleared.

Sorry to hear about your health issues, Vector! Covid stuff is serious, so I completely understand. Take care of yourself, we'll be here when you have time and energy to play again!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 11:47:54 am

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:49:35 am

Is it wrong of me to say I don't give a shit about your role?

I don't think I care what your role is, unless you're offering some major value and are willing to back it up Day 2.

A public Day 1 claim is risky and subject to dopp interference during the Night, anyways.

Whatever role you claim doesn't change how you've been behaving, and I doubt it somehow justifies it either.

Fallacy, please stop.  What you're doing isn't going to garner support, it's just going to make you look bad.

Please reconsider your point of attack before continuing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 11:51:30 am

I'd point out if a claim gets you results, you might get let off. Mostly cause if you lie about that you get lynched.

Unless of course you're a miller. or commuter. I'll go ahead and say I'm tire right now. Just got done with my workout.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:00:18 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on January 07, 2023, 11:29:57 am

The Whiteboard
notquitethere: 4: EuchreJack, FallacyofUrist, Maximum Spin
FallacyofUrist: 3: hector13, Jim Groovester, TricMagic
hector13: 1: Knightwing64
Knightwing64: 1: notquitethere
Vector: 1: ToonyMan

Italics - I trust these votes, as they appear to be made in good faith.
Bold - I do not trust these votes, as they appear to be made haphazardly.
Deleted - I do not trust these votes, as they are bizarre.

The remainders are different.  Toony going after Vector implies that he doesn't see anyone scummier than no one, which implies that there is experienced or low-lying scum, especially given that one of his targets (FoU) is high on the chopping block.  notquitethere voting for Knightwing is just kinda a whatever vote, given that he doesn't have hard suspicions, and thus Knightwing being a viable vote isn't particularly noteworthy to me, but it is a little lazy...

CONSOLIDATION OF VOTES, PEOPLE.  We've got 7 hours before Day end, so I'd like people to start making up their minds.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:04:18 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 05:05:54 am

Holy smoke and mirrors, mountains and molehills.

I vote KW explicitly to get more out of him. It's D1, all your votes are trash anyway. Then I justify the vote more after reading back on him, seeing he's done nothing and people often underestimate him.

That's it. There's no greater mystery.

It sucks because I finally got a fun role. I'm down for a full claim?

NQT, would you be willing to claim to EuchreJack, Max, me, or publicly?  I'd say Jim, but Jim is a blabbermouth, and I don't want him telling ToonyMan right now.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 12:12:36 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:04:18 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 05:05:54 am

Holy smoke and mirrors, mountains and molehills.

I vote KW explicitly to get more out of him. It's D1, all your votes are trash anyway. Then I justify the vote more after reading back on him, seeing he's done nothing and people often underestimate him.

That's it. There's no greater mystery.

It sucks because I finally got a fun role. I'm down for a full claim?

NQT, would you be willing to claim to EuchreJack, Max, me, or publicly?  I'd say Jim, but Jim is a blabbermouth, and I don't want him telling ToonyMan right now.

NQT has claimed to me.

But it doesn't matter, since I am contractually obligated to vote Fallacyofurist

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:14:13 pm

In that case, I will vote Knightwing64, like Max was saying.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 12:24:52 pm

I should point out, I offered to switch my vote to Fallacy due to spotting his scum tell: he is trying to be the center of attention.

The few times I have seen him as town/townish, he has been more relaxed.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 12:31:16 pm

Great, come to back to web voting me. Let me get a simple question out


What is your reason for voting me? Because I said my power finally got fixed? Please Web, elaborate to us lowly peons your reasoning for your well placed vote on me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 12:32:04 pm

^Valid question

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:34:29 pm

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 12:31:16 pm

Great, come to back to web voting me. Let me get a simple question out


What is your reason for voting me? Because I said my power finally got fixed? Please Web, elaborate to us lowly peons your reasoning for your well placed vote on me.

Because you haven't done anything.  You've just given excuses.  Even this post is just an excuse on why you haven't done anything.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 12:43:11 pm

Oh, but he's getting a reaction out of you, at least...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:46:32 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 12:43:11 pm

Oh, but he's getting a reaction out of you, at least...

Knightwing can do better than the absolute minimum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 12:47:10 pm

I…..

Gave a excuse because I wanted to explain why I hadn’t been saying anything instead of just disappearing off the earth?

What have you done, Webadict? What have you done in this game? what have you contributed, that gives you the right to try and get me lynched because my level of posting hasn’t reached your made up quota because of something completely out of my control?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 01:05:17 pm

Knightwing, what are you doing?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 01:05:45 pm

Being angry

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 01:06:06 pm

Also trying not to get lynched

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 01:08:10 pm

Also a valid question. You surely cannot be happy with your contribution so far KW, why are you surprised that nobody else is?

NQT claimed to me also, for… well I was going to say full disclosure but it’s not my information to give up, so… for the record I guess.

What are we going to do about Vector? Will they get modkilled at some point on D2 if we don’t find a replacement?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 01:13:44 pm

I haven’t been participating as much as I would like, but webadict trying to vote me for that is ridiculous.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 01:15:11 pm

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 12:47:10 pm

I…..

Gave a excuse because I wanted to explain why I hadn’t been saying anything instead of just disappearing off the earth?

What have you done, Webadict? What have you done in this game? what have you contributed, that gives you the right to try and get me lynched because my level of posting hasn’t reached your made up quota because of something completely out of my control?

It's not the quantity that you post.  It's the quality.  You can use your time to post anything, like that someone is scummy or "I don't agree with this."  Your remarks aren't there.  Instead, you're posting that you can't post and that voting you is mean, but... I mean, what have you commented on?  That feels like activelurking to me.

So, just comment on a few things, man.  You got this!  You don't need to waste message space on me, but just undersrand that I'm either telling the truth or I'm not.

Do you think it's the truth?  Do you think I have reason to go after you?  Just comment on the situations.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 01:25:36 pm

If you like, I can get all my posts in one place and you can look through them and make a nice little post on what you find scummy and not scummy!  Then, you'd be taking what I said and negating my case.  It'd be harder for me to push it without being like "Well, he only did that because I pushed him!" which would be pretty scummy for me to do!  It's a win-win for you, Knightwing, since it reduces the burden on you.

Would that help?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 01:35:44 pm

I have two assignments for you Knightwing:

1. Read Day 1 of Demon Mafia (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.0), how did you behave in that game? Why is your behavior right now suspicious?

I will let past town!NQT give you a hint:

Quote from: notquitethere on July 25, 2022, 07:14:26 pm

KW, dude, people think you're suspicious because you post 100% reactively. Defense is losing play, it helps no one, not even yourself. If you're town, place a vote on who you think is scum and give some reasons.

2. Give everyone here a "town confidence percentage".

I will share you an example of mine...

Town Confidence
Tric - 80%
Jack - 80%
Jim - 75%
Hector - 60%
Web - 60%
Knightwing - 55%
Max - 55%
FoU - 50%
NQT - 50%
Vector - unknown%

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 01:39:06 pm

Spoiler: Detailed Player Summary for webadict (click to show/hide)

Detailed Player Summary for webadict
------------------------

Quote from: webadict on January 04, 2023, 11:47:03 pm

You can PM.  That shit's broken, check this out.

Yeah, I'll go first.

Quote from: webadict on January 04, 2023, 11:50:28 pm

Also, while I'm totally down to clown on the clown, let's hold off on the (obviously correct) TricMagic vote for a... day?  Sure, like a fucking day, and then just hop back on that wagon.

Quote from: webadict on January 04, 2023, 11:55:33 pm

Ignore the hammer note, this game doesn't have hammers TO SPITE ME.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 08:08:48 am

Explain why it's sus to you.  Because it's the exact opposite to me for the exact reason you posted.

Also, you can do better than voting me and we both know it.

But I did the exact opposite of approve that strategy.  Quarantine and I kill you.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 09:21:07 am

I think Knightwing is scum.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 09:42:36 am

Because he's not accidentally making himself not scum.

Also, yes, for not voting TricMagic.  I say this knowing full well that I am also not voting TricMagic.

Why are you not scum?

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:02:50 am

Who is scum?

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:29:44 am

Yeah, but everyone already knows Jack is Town.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:34:41 am

Man...  You're like 3 steps behind, Toony!  If you ain't PMing now, you're not utilizing the best tool in the game.  hector13 just wants to be part of the action.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:10:17 am

If you just permanently protect me, I will win.  So, just do that.  It's probably even in your best interest because I'm Town!

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:18:08 am

Do everything I say and things will work out for me.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 01:32:21 pm

This is Babby's First Plan if you are a coward.  Technically correct, but in a way that relies on you using your brain later in the game to find scum and not using it to protect a high priority target.

Safe but impractical.  Whereas I am bold and innovative with a rich aftertaste!

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 02:30:13 pm

Wow, Web is definitely a name!

Also, don't worry about Max this game.  He's definitely Town.  He hasn't performed his signature scumtell.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 02:49:24 pm

I refuse to explain.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 04:07:00 pm

TricMagic

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 04:40:03 pm

Ah, but that doesn't make me scum.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 05:01:40 pm

Self-centered?  Everything I do is for the Town.  I think it just looks self-centered to you because you're not looking at what I'm looking at.  Also because I'm Town, so everything I do is inherently for me.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:17:02 pm

Uh, yeah, Tric is Mafia, so I'm gonna vote for him.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:18:21 pm

Unironically true, since I've got a 100% Town win rate as Mafia-ally, and around a 90% win rate as Town.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:19:57 pm

Oh, wait, I forgot the one game where I was Mafia-Ally and the SK won, so there is that.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 06:46:36 pm

    webadict
    FallacyofUrist
    ToonyMan
    notquitethere
    Maximum Spin
    Knightwing64
    Vector
    Jim Groovester
    hector13
    TricMagic
    EuchreJack

Of these, I've grouped them into categories.  For simplicity, I'll remove myself, but you'll have to accept that I'm obviously a Human.  A rather Kooky one, but Human nonetheless.

EuchreJack is 100%(!) Human.  I don't really see any reason to believe otherwise, given his claim.  He's also extremely concerned about his life, to the point where he privately asked me for items when I claimed to him.  There is no reason not to pocket him in this game.  He's not really aware of the strength of an Enchanter, and he spewed Town easily.

Surprisingly, Jim Groovester is 80% Human, if you can believe such a statement.  I'd actually put him higher, but I usually scum read him, and he hasn't posted more, yet.  However, I actually don't see him with the same type of play as last game.  Am I wrong?  No idea.

Maximum Spin is 85% Human.  I don't really feel the need to defend this one, because it doesn't really matter.

FallacyofUrist is probably not scum.  I'm not sure why I feel like that, but I don't see it as likely.  Maybe like 60% Human.

I don't really see you being a Dopp here hector13, because you think I'm voting TricMagic as a policylynch as opposed to something entirely different.  I like that, it makes it easier to read you.  I think if you were scum, you wouldn't have jumped on the wagon in the first place if you intended to go after people on the wagon.  Just a gut feeling.

ToonyMan is suspect, but I'm not sure he's scum yet.  Looking at his scumreads, they don't seem too far off for what I'd expect out of Town Toony.  He was right to pocket EuchreJack, but I believe his read of Knightwing is too early to tell.  I actually only suspect him out of necessity.  Voting him is entirely out of the question, if only because he acts as a great person to throw ideas off of, scum or Town.  However, because it's Toony, I'll assume that my read on Knightwing might be wrong.

notquitethere is not a Dopp.  Or maybe he is, but he's not, so it doesn't really matter.  Why?  I dunno, I can't really read him.  Just gives me some Jade Court feelings, where I suspect him a bit, but I think that's just the healthy amount of suspicion and not really substantiated.

Knightwing... I don't like Knightwing here, but I think they don't realize what they're doing wrong IS wrong, plus I'm just using ToonyMan as a reason for them to be Town.  Regardless, I can be sure that Maximum Spin and Knightwing are not w/w, but that doesn't really matter, given that I don't see Max as a wolf.

Vector is actually a possible vote here.  Which is sad, but given how every game goes with them, I'm not on their team, which means they're scum.  Oooookay, technically I think that Vector has a tendency to reveal themselves as scum around Day 2 accidentally, but I definitely see them being scum here as a probable.  Maybe like 70% Dopp.

Aaaaand TricMagic.  I definitely think that TricMagic is likely to be scum.  I do not trust him because he seems too calm in this instance.  Also, he knows too much.  I feel like he would normally be going after ToonyMan or someone else if he was Human, especially given his tendency to OMGUS.

Anyway, that's my reasoning.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 07:18:29 pm

@FoU:  You think it's hector?  I dunno.  It doesn't feel correct.

@Max:  I'll PM you, but I wasn't sure if you were scum or not, and then Tric ruined it.

@Euchre: I am down to vote Vector, but I want more posts from them first.

@hector:  Maybe.  I'll think about it.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 07:28:26 pm

Given what I know of Meph games, unlikely.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 09:06:29 pm

Yeah, no offense, Euchre, but protecting you is the wrong move here.  Mostly because if you're being attacked by the Dopps, then the Investigative roles aren't.  Your double vote is... Not as powerful as you think it is, but don't overthink that.

Vector is a possible vote here, since TricMagic is apparently now using his brain while playing.

No, it's not a scumslip.  Jack just isn't a priority for the scumteam.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:18:46 pm

I'm gonnnnnnnaaaaaaaa saaaaaay... Vector + Knightwing + ... Toony???  Is that the team?

Hm.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:19:24 pm

Nah, it's probably not Toony.

But, then it's gotta be notquitethere?

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 10:49:54 pm

Honestly, I was debating NOT claiming it because I figured it'd make a good way to catch a fakeclaim, but I realized that was probably a bad idea because it's far more likely to screw me over.  So, totally fair to question me on that.

As for why I don't think it's hector, my thought was that he seemed rather active and that he was initially on the TricMagic bandwagon, which seemed like a really bad idea to do if you're going to use that as a reasoning to go after me, but on a reconsider, I'm less sure.  I'm far more willing to say FoU is Town, and his suspicions of hector13 might be founded.  There's not as much substance in hector's posts compared to what I had mentally envisioned, and thinking about his change in stance did remind me of Maximum Spin's shift last game, though it's probably more fair to say that his initial attitude is too reminiscent of myself in Fallacy's BYOR, for whatever merit that holds.

I could see a Vector + Knightwing + hector team as a possibility.

I see Knightwing as scum here because of his posting style, as well as his lack of substantial posts.  Not really a fan of it, but it feels different than last game, especially as he said "Why?" when I called him scum, which is just really... scummy.  I know that sounds reasonable, but it's something that always dings my scumdar.

Wow, dude, are you calling me a liar?  That's really hurtful that you think that I always lie, instead of just mostly lie.

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:05:51 pm

Yeah, I totally get it.  It won't bother me none to suspect me, but I'm pretty sure I'll be trusted regardless!

I will note that I've been a Kook before, AND I've fakeclaimed Kook before, both of which I did in the first post of each game.  These were done when my feelings on it were that you're supposed to claim in the first post, but I've started to wonder if it's possible to catch fakeclaim cops.  Buuuut, I think that sometimes, doing the things that I do has cost-benefit analyses that don't seem worth it in the future, so I'm want to change my mind.

That's... only partially true.  I think that Miller claims should decrease the claimers trust, after all, as they are almost always done by Town right now.  Only THREE people have ever fakeclaimed Miller on these forums, and I'd really like that to increase!

Quote from: webadict on January 05, 2023, 11:14:59 pm

Leafsnail, a really long time ago.

That's right, not even TOONY has fakeclaimed Miller!

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 08:01:03 am

That list is starting to look right, Euchre.

Who do we vote from within those bottom three?

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 08:21:54 am

Psh, you think that's creepy?  You ain't seen nothing, yet.  I'm in the codebase, hacking the planet!  I've got 15 pies and 80 fingers!

Anyway, I'm already voting Vector, so nbd there.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 10:11:42 am

I changed my mind on hector.  I think he's probably scum now.  Mostly because I'm far more positive that FoU is Town, and I have no reason not to believe that what FoU is saying has no merits.  Besides, hector can be investigated and found out, now can't he?

Anything else?

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 10:17:10 am

I will note that you haven't really settled on someone as particularly scummy, and I'm not sure that's a fair beat from you, unless you're stating that I am, indeed, scummy from that list.  There isn't really anything substantial in your accusation of me, but if it makes you feel better, I've already located members of the Town as investigative roles, and I've told them to investigate you and hector, so if that scares you in any way, please feel free to murder me during the Night so that I can no longer coordinate the Town.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 10:54:20 am

FoU seems to think that he's fairly scummy, so I'm just gonna bet on that for now.  FoU seems to get misread as scum a lot, but I just feel like he's probably Town here.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 11:47:50 am

I, too, can attest that Vector probably has no power, but... I think making a team out of the remainder here is hard without Vector.  Not impossible, mind you, but difficult.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 01:34:43 pm

While I'm not against voting Knightwing, I'd rather vote NQT or Vector.  Maybe even hector for that last post, but he's putting in some effort, so I don't want to yeeeet.

Also, I've been voted out Day 1 before!  I had to Daykill ToonyMan before he posted, and it was barely worth the loss, but it happened!

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 01:40:48 pm

Eh, fine, NQT.  Jack simping, here I goooooo!

You posted, but I had submitted the kill before you did.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 01:56:33 pm

If you think NQT is his partner, why not vote out NQT first, and then FoU?

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 02:18:41 pm

They can go after Vector instead?  I don't really see the problem.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 02:51:19 pm

Well, that's really kind of you to think so generously about people I'm coordinating when you believe I'm likely to be scum.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 04:16:19 pm

Is that so?  I don't see that, but perhaps you have biases that I don't understand.  Why do you not suspect NQT?  How does your read of KW differ from Vector?

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 04:49:11 pm

I don't agree on FoU, Jim, or Max.  Jim, because Kook.  Max because he's not scumtelling.  And, FoU because he seems like he's putting in thought to his reads, and he usually acts a bit wilder as scum.

I would PM you, but I think you're scum, so I don't see how that would benefit me.  If you decided to PM other people, you'd be getting more PMs, so there is that.  Just do what I do and claim to random people you think are Town.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 05:58:18 pm

Which game was that?  The only game I recall with a Knightwing SK win was with Knightwing being Town.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:18:47 pm

I'm with Toony on this one...  This feels like a really big grasp at straws...

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 10:53:51 pm

Correct.  NQT's list may have been ordered, but his list has no actual suspicions on it.

This kinda maps to what hector was saying, in that hector claimed FoU has too many nulls... But NQT's list feels exactly the same, and hector seemed to find no issue with this until pressed.  Look at hector's list changes as they go, where NQT isn't mentioned (being null, I assume) to being in his PoE.

I really feel like there is high coordination between NQT and hector this game.  It feels highly w/w.

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 11:37:34 pm

I'm in agreement that hector looks the best out of the two of them, but they feel pretty entangled to me.  hector seems excusable, so I'm totally fine not voting him out, since he's already got things going, but NQT doesn't appear to have the same excuse, and I find it odd that we have Knightwing up to vote here, and you're not doing much to stop it, Toony.  I feel like you kinda have a prerogative to step up and start directing people if you think Knightwing is Town.

Do you think Knightwing is Town?

I think NQT is a Dopp here, and I think there's some attempts to move that attention on NQT elsewhere.  I have no idea why Tric is trying to go after FoU, but I don't see who could possibly be on FoU's team if he's scum unless there's an active hit job by at least one of his teammates.

It's... literally not about the game except the PM part?  So yes?  I don't understand the issue.  That's not exactly game relevant information.  There's nothing inherently incriminating from either party in it that would point to the other as scum for doing that.

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 11:43:11 pm

I actually think you should think of this differently.  FoU has rarely played Town in his many games.  He's not actually that great at Town.  You're putting an onus on him that seems to be far weightier than expected.  Not that I don't disagree that he's experienced, or that he should be better, but I kinda don't expect him to.  Is that fair?  I dunno.  But, it's how I feel.  It's why I think you're wrong.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:39:46 am

Are you guys having a weird fight?

Alright, maybe hector's in the up-and-up...  I'm willing to say he's probably Town.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:49:07 am

How sure are you on Knightwing?

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 11:23:18 am

I'd vote Knightwing for this.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 11:47:54 am

Fallacy, please stop.  What you're doing isn't going to garner support, it's just going to make you look bad.

Please reconsider your point of attack before continuing.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:00:18 pm

Italics - I trust these votes, as they appear to be made in good faith.
Bold - I do not trust these votes, as they appear to be made haphazardly.
Deleted - I do not trust these votes, as they are bizarre.

The remainders are different.  Toony going after Vector implies that he doesn't see anyone scummier than no one, which implies that there is experienced or low-lying scum, especially given that one of his targets (FoU) is high on the chopping block.  notquitethere voting for Knightwing is just kinda a whatever vote, given that he doesn't have hard suspicions, and thus Knightwing being a viable vote isn't particularly noteworthy to me, but it is a little lazy...

CONSOLIDATION OF VOTES, PEOPLE.  We've got 7 hours before Day end, so I'd like people to start making up their minds.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:04:18 pm

NQT, would you be willing to claim to EuchreJack, Max, me, or publicly?  I'd say Jim, but Jim is a blabbermouth, and I don't want him telling ToonyMan right now.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:14:13 pm

In that case, I will vote Knightwing64, like Max was saying.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:34:29 pm

Because you haven't done anything.  You've just given excuses.  Even this post is just an excuse on why you haven't done anything.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:46:32 pm

Knightwing can do better than the absolute minimum.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 01:15:11 pm

It's not the quantity that you post.  It's the quality.  You can use your time to post anything, like that someone is scummy or "I don't agree with this."  Your remarks aren't there.  Instead, you're posting that you can't post and that voting you is mean, but... I mean, what have you commented on?  That feels like activelurking to me.

So, just comment on a few things, man.  You got this!  You don't need to waste message space on me, but just undersrand that I'm either telling the truth or I'm not.

Do you think it's the truth?  Do you think I have reason to go after you?  Just comment on the situations.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 01:25:36 pm

If you like, I can get all my posts in one place and you can look through them and make a nice little post on what you find scummy and not scummy!  Then, you'd be taking what I said and negating my case.  It'd be harder for me to push it without being like "Well, he only did that because I pushed him!" which would be pretty scummy for me to do!  It's a win-win for you, Knightwing, since it reduces the burden on you.

Would that help?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 01:41:39 pm

I'm going to do something I hardly ever do and unvote.

I still think notquitethere has that oily, sort of glib quality I expect from him as scum (and saw, for example, in webadict's Supernatural). I still think Knightwing has said nothing useful, which is his scumtell. I still think Fallacy is being pretentious to cover for having no meaningful reads. But since people are now badgering Knightwing to defend himself, I'll just wait and take more time to hear everyone out.

ToonyMan... am I really that far down on your list? Are you sad I didn't PM you? :(

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 01:49:07 pm

I…

Look, you want to increase the quality of my posts.

Fine, I don’t agree with this, and I feel like I’m being pushed

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 01:51:03 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 12:00:18 pm

Toony going after Vector implies that he doesn't see anyone scummier than no one, which implies that there is experienced or low-lying scum, especially given that one of his targets (FoU) is high on the chopping block.

I am indifferent about the demise of NQT or FoU. I'm not confident enough they're scum because I usually find their behavior inherently scummy. I'm this wishy-washy about it that I would genuinely prefer Vector right now, especially as a replacement slot that will only hurt the game flow if they're alive, even if it's not ideal. I would rather the game be more fun for everyone.

Knightwing saying they are "not able to post much" due to reasons, but then posting filler anyway (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443670#msg8443670) is suspicious. Knightwing coming in to defend themselves (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443740#msg8443740) when Webadict votes them and nothing else is suspicious. This is in fact Knightwing's major scumtell which might convince me enough that they're worth voting over Vector if they don't knock it off.

PPE:

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 01:41:39 pm

ToonyMan... am I really that far down on your list? Are you sad I didn't PM you? :(

If you're really town there might be a good reason for you to distrust me, but don't worry it's not what you think.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 01:55:16 pm

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 01:49:07 pm

I…

Look, you want to increase the quality of my posts.

Fine, I don’t agree with this, and I feel like I’m being pushed

You’re being encouraged to do things which will make you a better player in the long-run. Webadict is basically giving you a step-by-step on what you need to do to analyze a players play - called an isolation, or iso - so you can get a better read in them or provide evidence for a read you already have.

It’s a very useful tool to have in your box.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 02:03:55 pm

T’be fair a sensible person would also check if webadict has actually quoted all his posts there…

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 02:07:19 pm

Pfping still

Lynch notquitethere bad
Lynch FallacyofUrist want
Lynch Knightwing64 okay

Usually I feel like Knightwing64 responds to being badgered to post game related stuff by posting game related stuff but not so for this game. Would not be bothered if he were the Day 1 lynch at this point.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 02:08:59 pm

What hector is saying is true.  I'm not even being mean about it.  I'm just giving you the tools to defend yourself.  I would be willing to give anyone that asked for it the tools as well.  I can even do one for you, if you want an example!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[font=courier=Detailed Player Summary for Knightwing64]Detailed Player Summary for Knightwing64
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Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 07:14:00 am

Hector13


You wanna vote me….


Vote this

Now excuse me while I use my webadict approved quarantine strat.

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 08:13:08 am

It’s foolproof



Fooooollllprroooffff

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 08:52:19 am

I think, yeah. Why?

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 09:02:07 am

I read, PM’s and stuff.

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 09:30:31 am

Figures.

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 09:41:17 am

Why?

Elaborate, please, my good sir.

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 09:45:06 am

?

Because…. I’m not scum?

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 10:05:15 am

I don’t know

It’s D1 you maniac

What do you want from me

I guess Hector is a little suspicious.



Also, in other news, my braces have been replaced with retainers.


They fucking suck.

It’s so uncomfortable, I can’t talk right, I’m fucking dying over here

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 05, 2023, 02:47:21 pm

Which is?

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 07:14:10 pm

I’m sorry for not posting a lot, my power and Wi-Fi have been turning off and on very erratically.


So while you guys can expect posts, they will be scarcer then usual until I can figure this out

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 07:52:03 am

You heathens

I want to do stuff

I just literally can’t

Power seems to have fixed itself, thankfully

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 12:31:16 pm

Great, come to back to web voting me. Let me get a simple question out


What is your reason for voting me? Because I said my power finally got fixed? Please Web, elaborate to us lowly peons your reasoning for your well placed vote on me.

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 12:47:10 pm

I…..

Gave a excuse because I wanted to explain why I hadn’t been saying anything instead of just disappearing off the earth?

What have you done, Webadict? What have you done in this game? what have you contributed, that gives you the right to try and get me lynched because my level of posting hasn’t reached your made up quota because of something completely out of my control?

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 01:05:45 pm

Being angry

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 01:06:06 pm

Also trying not to get lynched

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 01:13:44 pm

I haven’t been participating as much as I would like, but webadict trying to vote me for that is ridiculous.

Quote from: Knightwing64 on January 07, 2023, 01:49:07 pm

I…

Look, you want to increase the quality of my posts.

Fine, I don’t agree with this, and I feel like I’m being pushed

Your posts are all reactive.

hector voted you -> You voted hector.
notquitethere voted you -> You replied.
I called you scum -> You asked why.
I asked you who was scum -> You said hector.
I vote you -> You react.

I think ToonyMan kinda nailed it here.  I don't think I see any post that isn't reactive.  Do you think that's a fair assessment, Knightwing?

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 02:03:55 pm

T’be fair a sensible person would also check if webadict has actually quoted all his posts there…

Mamobo did it for me.  Like I'd actually go get them, I'm fuckin' lazy.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 02:09:40 pm

Nice to see Toonyman living up to his avatar as a truly evil person, giving a 14 year old homework on a weekend.

Like seriously, Knightwing should vote Toony just for that.

But Knightwing won't because....

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

He's Fucking Town, and he NEVER votes Toonyman as Town

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 02:12:32 pm

Webadict: Too lazy to get his own posts, so he instead creates an AI to do it for him. Did you create Novel Scoops because you were too lazy to post in General Discussion?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 02:18:03 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 02:12:32 pm

Webadict: Too lazy to get his own posts, so he instead creates an AI to do it for him. Did you create Novel Scoops because you were too lazy to post in General Discussion?

I once wrote a program on my calculator during a math test because I didn't want to do the math 5 times in a row that also displayed the steps to show my work.

I'm the correct kind of lazy.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 02:24:32 pm

Spoiler: To Webadict (click to show/hide)

(https://media.tenor.com/n2YrB4ceSUQAAAAC/indeed-stargate.gif)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 03:36:13 pm

Spoiler: To Knightwing (click to show/hide)

(http://media.discordapp.net/attachments/640911259474329601/1040064525312987186/imageedit_478_5584987713.jpg)


One thing is to be proactive in expressing your feelings, read the posts and point out any inconsistencies you spot, and push people.
Or be me as a dragon, chameleoning your way into confirmed town. Always be hunting, even as a dragon. Especially if you're a dragon, you need everyone dead and mafia is weakest.
Small posts alone aren't going to win you games though. You won by default when I was dragoning town around.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 04:40:36 pm

Knightwing, you're stalling.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Mamobo on January 07, 2023, 04:40:59 pm

Vote Count
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-> FallacyofUrist --4-- hector13* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443542#msg8443542), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443604#msg8443604), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443730#msg8443730), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443320#msg8443320),
Knightwing64      --2-- webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443731#msg8443731), notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443305#msg8443305),
hector13          --1-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442788#msg8442788),
notquitethere     --1-- FallacyofUrist* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443462#msg8443462),
Vector            --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443229#msg8443229),
webadict          --1-- Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442727#msg8442727),
EuchreJack        --0--
Jim Groovester    --0--
Maximum Spin      --0--
ToonyMan          --0--
TricMagic         --0--
No One            --0--

Not Voting        --1-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443766#msg8443766),

6 to Hammer. Day ends on January 07, 2023 at 19:00 Central Standard Time (3 hours and 18 minutes remaining.)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 04:54:55 pm

FoU may have more luck staying alive if they voted Knightwing (or Vector).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 04:56:28 pm

You there Knightwing?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 05:02:20 pm

I'm disappointed that Knightwing hasn't done my assignment - or at least - hasn't told me he wasn't planning on doing them.

I still kind of just want to clear the replacement slot so the game doesn't suffer.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:06:00 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 04:54:55 pm

FoU may have more luck staying alive if they voted Knightwing (or Vector).

But Knightwing is literally obvtown. He doesn't act like this if he's being coached. There's literally no reason to vote him other than to pressure him to put more effort into the game.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:09:54 pm

I don't like a Vector execution either. The argument for clearing an empty slot is valid, but then Day 1's execution is wasted. We could execute someone based on actual scumminess instead of just for being unfortunately absent. We get more information out of the game state that way.

Ironically, that's something NQT, my current scum candidate, would probably advocate.

I'm probably in a position where I can sacrifice Knightwing to save myself, because there's too many people going after him, but I don't like that, because he's obviously town. There's no way a scum Knightwing doesn't get coached privately. I'm just too confident in my read to be willing to make that decision.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 05:11:39 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:06:00 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 04:54:55 pm

FoU may have more luck staying alive if they voted Knightwing (or Vector).

Knightwing is literally obvtown.

Why?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 05:12:57 pm

I'm mostly hoping my vote on him will get him to sit up. If he's town, no way mafia aren't going to pick him as the lynch.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 05:14:41 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:09:54 pm

There's no way a scum Knightwing doesn't get coached privately.

(https://i.imgur.com/fFvwBPM.png)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:16:13 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 05:11:39 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:06:00 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 04:54:55 pm

FoU may have more luck staying alive if they voted Knightwing (or Vector).

Knightwing is literally obvtown.

Why?

Stop evaluating him with conventional scum tells. If you or hector was acting like this I'd go after them in a heartbeat. But this is a player who hasn't really learned to play the game yet. He's getting better, but his lack of engagement doesn't really say anything about his scumminess, because it's Knightwing.

The emotions read as genuine.

I am really confident in this. So yes, I would sacrifice myself for him, because it's just not fair of me to vote out Knightwing for my own sake.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 05:14:41 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:09:54 pm

There's no way a scum Knightwing doesn't get coached privately.

(https://i.imgur.com/fFvwBPM.png)

Memeing is good advice though

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 05:17:31 pm

Lurkers get launched, just how it is Knightwing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 05:19:39 pm

That just means the scum can get away with merely not being the least active player.

Do you really think that after almost 72 hours of action, the best vote is a policy vote?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 05:20:13 pm

I've been mafia with Knightwing a couple times. He was mostly absent in the scumchat besides making Inspector Gadget noises. I gave some advice but it could only go so far. I'm not sure the "mafia would be coaching him" defense works here. If anything, a mafia!Knightwing is probably being told to try to appeal to people's emotions or something so that we don't vote him since that almost worked in the past.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 05:22:14 pm

Yeah I think in Jade Court KW spent huge portions of the game MIA as scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 05:24:49 pm

Fallacy

To quote you:

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:43:37 am

Pick a better target.

I'm not sure why you think KW being useless is something he'd never do as scum. Three possibilities present themselves:

1. You genuinely feel you have a deep meta read on him
2. You're scum and know he's not on your team
3. You're scum and you know he is on your team

Not a great set of possibilities, Fallacy

(ninja x7 with people saying much the same)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:25:36 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 05:12:57 pm

I'm mostly hoping my vote on him will get him to sit up. If he's town, no way mafia aren't going to pick him as the lynch.

Hm, why do you think mafia are not already voting Knightwing?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 1 wants off this rock
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:28:46 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 05:24:49 pm

Fallacy

To quote you:

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:43:37 am

Pick a better target.

I'm not sure why you think KW being useless is something he'd never do as scum. Three possibilities present themselves:

1. You genuinely feel you have a deep meta read on him
2. You're scum and know he's not on your team
3. You're scum and you know he is on your team

Not a great set of possibilities, Fallacy

(ninja x7 with people saying much the same)

You forgot "Scum on the block to be lynched appealing to emotion"
"Please oh please don't lynch me, just look at how Townie I am being, for I am truly Town. Watch as I heroically sacrifice myself by stabbing my own corpse!"

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:29:13 pm

I will legitimately be sad if Fallacy flips town, fyi

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 05:29:24 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:16:13 pm

Stop evaluating him with conventional scum tells. If you or hector was acting like this I'd go after them in a heartbeat. But this is a player who hasn't really learned to play the game yet. He's getting better, but his lack of engagement doesn't really say anything about his scumminess, because it's Knightwing.

The emotions read as genuine.

I am really confident in this. So yes, I would sacrifice myself for him, because it's just not fair of me to vote out Knightwing for my own sake.

Uh... We're using HIS scumtells, thought...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:29:59 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 05:20:13 pm

I've been mafia with Knightwing a couple times. He was mostly absent in the scumchat besides making Inspector Gadget noises. I gave some advice but it could only go so far. I'm not sure the "mafia would be coaching him" defense works here. If anything, a mafia!Knightwing is probably being told to try to appeal to people's emotions or something so that we don't vote him since that almost worked in the past.

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 05:22:14 pm

Yeah I think in Jade Court KW spent huge portions of the game MIA as scum.

Blink blink.

Well, fuck.

So much for my absolute confidence in his towniness. That's a really good point you've got there, folks.

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 05:19:39 pm

Do you really think that after almost 72 hours of action, the best vote is a policy vote?

But that's the other thing. And thanks for bringing this up. Even if I can't guarantee he's town or scum, him being his typical self just doesn't seem like a good enough justification to use the Day's execution.

I don't like policy votes, just in general.

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 05:29:24 pm

Uh... We're using HIS scumtells, thought...

He has personal tells? Really? I've never noticed.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2023, 05:32:57 pm

The Whiteboard
FallacyofUrist: 3: EuchreJack, hector13, Jim Groovester
Knightwing64: 3: notquitethere, TricMagic, webadict
hector13: 1: Knightwing64
notquitethere: 1: FallacyofUrist
Vector: 1: ToonyMan

---

Day ends ~5PM Pacific Today (~2.5 hours)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:34:03 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 05:02:20 pm

I'm disappointed that Knightwing hasn't done my assignment - or at least - hasn't told me he wasn't planning on doing them.

I still kind of just want to clear the replacement slot so the game doesn't suffer.

Knightwing really should have told you to fuck off, but he didn't BECAUSE HE IS TOWN.
It's literally Knightwing Towntell #1: Never contradicts Toony. As scum, he's be attack you as the big meanie that you are.  But as Town, he's all huddled in a corner.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Don't make me Sonic Post. You know I can.

I do 100% agree on wanting to launch Vector-Replacement. It's not fair, but I suspect Vector would more likely seek replacement as Mafia, since they would feel a higher level of obligation. Then again, Vector flaked out on me hard when we were scumbuddies the first time, so I dunno.
...Always best and fair to give new people new opportunities.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:34:54 pm

Kind of want to see Maximum Spin weigh in before the deadline.

FallacyofUrist, vote Knightwing64 and I will change my vote to Knightwing64.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 05:36:42 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:34:03 pm

Knightwing really should have told you to fuck off, but he didn't BECAUSE HE IS TOWN.
It's literally Knightwing Towntell #1: Never contradicts Toony. As scum, he's be attack you as the big meanie that you are.  But as Town, he's all huddled in a corner.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Don't make me Sonic Post. You know I can.

I do 100% agree on wanting to launch Vector-Replacement. It's not fair, but I suspect Vector would more likely seek replacement as Mafia, since they would feel a higher level of obligation. Then again, Vector flaked out on me hard when we were scumbuddies the first time, so I dunno.
...Always best and fair to give new people new opportunities.

Okay, but he went on a tirade against me, so what if we replace Toony with webadict in that?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:38:20 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:34:54 pm

Kind of want to see Maximum Spin weigh in before the deadline.

As do I, but Max doesn't care what we think. I mean, if Max posts at the last minute, that looks really scummy.
But Max as town looks really scummy, so I'm probably just going to have to live with that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:39:27 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 05:36:42 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:34:03 pm

Knightwing really should have told you to fuck off, but he didn't BECAUSE HE IS TOWN.
It's literally Knightwing Towntell #1: Never contradicts Toony. As scum, he's be attack you as the big meanie that you are.  But as Town, he's all huddled in a corner.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Don't make me Sonic Post. You know I can.

I do 100% agree on wanting to launch Vector-Replacement. It's not fair, but I suspect Vector would more likely seek replacement as Mafia, since they would feel a higher level of obligation. Then again, Vector flaked out on me hard when we were scumbuddies the first time, so I dunno.
...Always best and fair to give new people new opportunities.

Okay, but he went on a tirade against me, so what if we replace Toony with webadict in that?

Knightwing as Town tells you to fuck off all the time. It's specifically Toony and only Toony that Town!Knightwing is afraid to confront. Sorry.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:39:49 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:34:54 pm

Kind of want to see Maximum Spin weigh in before the deadline.

Yeah, definitely. He's been pretty absent so far.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:34:54 pm

FallacyofUrist, vote Knightwing64 and I will change my vote to Knightwing64.

Well fuck.

Logically speaking I should put a null Knightwing's life far below my survival, since I know I'm town.

Emotionally speaking I don't feel like it's fair to execute Knightwing for effectively doing nothing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:40:04 pm

But point of order: Scum!Knightwing uses more foul & stronger language than Town!Knightwing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:41:30 pm

Alright well if you want to die for Knightwing64 I'm not going to stop you but I will wonder why he's worth putting your neck on the line for that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:42:06 pm

Jim's looking kinda scummy...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:42:45 pm

Hm, but would I back that with a vote?
Make an offer, folks!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 05:43:25 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:42:06 pm

Jim's looking kinda scummy...

No, he's not.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:44:03 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:42:06 pm

Jim's looking kinda scummy...

Bahahahahahahahaokay

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:44:21 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 05:43:25 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:42:06 pm

Jim's looking kinda scummy...

No, he's not.

Really? You think this is Town!Jim?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 05:44:50 pm

Jack, what's rule 3 of mafia?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:45:15 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 05:44:50 pm

Jack, what's rule 3 of mafia?

Always vote Tric?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 05:46:18 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:45:15 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 05:44:50 pm

Jack, what's rule 3 of mafia?

Always vote Tric?

No, that's Rule 1d. Rule 3 is Lynch All Liers/Lurkers.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:46:47 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on January 07, 2023, 05:32:57 pm

The Whiteboard
FallacyofUrist: 3: EuchreJack, hector13, Jim Groovester
Knightwing64: 3: notquitethere, TricMagic, webadict
hector13: 1: Knightwing64
notquitethere: 1: FallacyofUrist
Vector: 1: ToonyMan

---

Day ends ~5PM Pacific Today (~2.5 hours)

I really don't like this votecount

UNVOTE

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 05:48:23 pm

YOU’VE SPENT THE PAST FEW PAGES TELLING US THIS IS TOWN!KW WHY ARE YOU PUTTING HIM IN THE CHOPPING BLOCK

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:50:05 pm

Does Jack/FoU/Kw64 make sense for a scumteam? Not well equipped to check this out but I think it sort of works. None of them seem too keen on lynching within those three players.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:50:37 pm

Still pfping, still probably going to miss the deadline FYI.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:50:52 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 05:48:23 pm

YOU’VE SPENT THE PAST FEW PAGES TELLING US THIS IS TOWN!KW WHY ARE YOU PUTTING HIM IN THE CHOPPING BLOCK

Because I don't trust you, and don't trust Jim's more recent behavior. I don't want to be on a wagon with you two, sorry.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:50:57 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:41:30 pm

Alright well if you want to die for Knightwing64 I'm not going to stop you but I will wonder why he's worth putting your neck on the line for that.

Ugggghhh.

I don't like this decision at all.

I bet you would vote him in a heartbeat if you were in my place, because you're the big scary mafia veteran and removing someone you don't trust for the sake of your life is the optimal thing to do.

And I know it's the optimal thing to do.

I just don't like it.

Well, the real optimal thing to do is find scum and vote them, but we've only got a few hours left for that and I'm not confident in my ability to both manage that and get enough people to follow me to avoid getting executed myself.

Voting Knightwing is just the easy way out, and I don't like that either.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:52:03 pm

What if I...Sheep Knightwing!

hector13

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:52:36 pm

@Fallacy: You could vote Hector, if you would like...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:52:49 pm

No, no, the double optimal thing to do is to vote Knightwing now, as a safety measure, then look for a better target. That way the odds I'm executed are reduced and I still have the potential to execute someone I think is actually scummy as opposed to Knightwing-y, even if it's a low chance.

Fine. Fine.

Ugh.

Knightwing64

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:53:30 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:52:36 pm

@Fallacy: You could vote Hector, if you would like...

But he's actually acting town now, as opposed to earlier. I don't think that goes anywhere.

I'll at least look into his posts, though. Might be something I've missed.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:54:37 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:53:30 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:52:36 pm

@Fallacy: You could vote Hector, if you would like...

But he's actually acting town now, as opposed to earlier. I don't think that goes anywhere.

I'll at least look into his posts, though. Might be something I've missed.

No, he's acting like he's not on a scumteam with Knightwing....

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:55:45 pm

@Fallacy: Hey buddy, I got two votes. Why don't you tell me who you WANT to vote, and try to convince me?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 05:55:59 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:50:52 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 05:48:23 pm

YOU’VE SPENT THE PAST FEW PAGES TELLING US THIS IS TOWN!KW WHY ARE YOU PUTTING HIM IN THE CHOPPING BLOCK

Because I don't trust you, and don't trust Jim's more recent behavior. I don't want to be on a wagon with you two, sorry.

Uh huh. You appear to trust yourself the least, given that, again, the person you’ve been saying is town for pretty much the entire game is now getting voted out because of you.

PPE:

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:52:49 pm

No, no, the double optimal thing to do is to vote Knightwing now, as a safety measure, then look for a better target. That way the odds I'm executed are reduced and I still have the potential to execute someone I think is actually scummy as opposed to Knightwing-y, even if it's a low chance.

Fine. Fine.

Ugh.

Knightwing64

The most optimal thing would be to vote out Vector as KW still has the potential to contribute.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 06:00:14 pm

No, voting Knightwing is more optimal because he's more likely to get executed, which will preserve my own life in the event that I can't find a scum target.

I believe there's two hours left in the day, by the way?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:01:14 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 06:00:14 pm

No, voting Knightwing is more optimal because he's more likely to get executed, which will preserve my own life in the event that I can't find a scum target.

I believe there's two hours left in the day, by the way?

Fuck you then.

FallacyofUrist

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:01:38 pm

The OPTIMAL play for Town is to find scum, loser.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 06:02:42 pm

Yes? Obviously?

I am voting Knightwing as a safety vote, to preserve my own life in the event that I can't find scum.

Does that not make sense?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 06:03:05 pm

Also obviously, if I do find scum, I will of course move my vote from Knightwing to the scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:03:22 pm

EJ isn’t prescient, else the game would be a lot less interesting.

Vector can be voted out easily enough, EJ claimed two votes, and the biggest wagon currently has three. He’d tie it at worst.

Who’s scum then EJ?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:04:10 pm

Does this tiff seem manufactured to anyone else?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:04:47 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 06:02:42 pm

Yes? Obviously?

I am voting Knightwing as a safety vote, to preserve my own life in the event that I can't find scum.

Does that not make sense?

You refusal to try to contribute to the win condition of Town, which is to eliminate all mafia, and your insistence on contributing to the Mafia win condition, which is to survive, is utterly stupid.

I am asking you to find scum, so that if you die and flip town, we have info to work with.  You refuse to do that, thus are probably scum.

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:06:06 pm

What are you even on about you were chatting thirty seconds ago about how you didn’t trust me or Jim which is why you I voted FoU and in that thirty seconds you’ve divined he’s scum?

Where the fuck was this EJ 2 days ago?

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Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:06:28 pm

... What the fuck are you two doing, Euchre and Fallacy?

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:06:46 pm

EBWOP

unvoted FoU, not I voted FoU.

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Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:07:28 pm

Euchre, stop going into paranoid mode and calm down.

Who is Town to you so I can find them and get you to calm the fuck down?

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:07:42 pm

I HATE having two votes!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 06:08:00 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 05:52:49 pm

Knightwing64

Knightwing64.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:08:25 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:07:28 pm

Euchre, stop going into paranoid mode and calm down.

Who is Town to you so I can find them and get you to calm the fuck down?

Knightwing is town

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:10:24 pm

Vector I guess, since I need to test this double vote. Otherwise I wouldn't bother voting at all.

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Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:10:37 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:08:25 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:07:28 pm

Euchre, stop going into paranoid mode and calm down.

Who is Town to you so I can find them and get you to calm the fuck down?

Knightwing is town

Cool, I understand why you think he is, but you have to understand why we think he's not.  Anyone else Town to you?

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:11:11 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:10:37 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:08:25 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:07:28 pm

Euchre, stop going into paranoid mode and calm down.

Who is Town to you so I can find them and get you to calm the fuck down?

Knightwing is town

Cool, I understand why you think he is, but you have to understand why we think he's not.  Anyone else Town to you?

I'm inclined to trust you.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:12:38 pm

I hate to drop this bombshell so late, but:

Both NQT and Toonyman have claimed Agent.

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Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 06:14:15 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:08:25 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:07:28 pm

Euchre, stop going into paranoid mode and calm down.

Who is Town to you so I can find them and get you to calm the fuck down?

Knightwing is town

This is a frustrating point to me, because I think he could be town! I was so sure of that, but apparently he acts this way whether he's town or not.

So I don't like my current vote very much.

But the thing is, executing someone who's maybe town and maybe scum is an improvement over executing me in all cases, since I know I'm town.

Sigh. It's still not ideal.

I don't even think you're scum - this reads as genuine frustration and I don't think you'd fake that.

Which makes this a rather frustrating town-town spat.

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:12:38 pm

I hate to drop this bombshell so late, but:

Both NQT and Toonyman have claimed Agent.

Ooooh boy.

Ooooh shit.

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Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 06:15:14 pm

Well, as interesting as that is, there's no rule against duplicate roles as far as I know.

Would Meph make a setup with two cops, though? Even with semi-random setup generation?

... good question.

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Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 06:18:13 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:04:10 pm

Does this tiff seem manufactured to anyone else?

Yes, given I was the cause there. No clue wat jack was doing.

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Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 06:19:13 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:12:38 pm

I hate to drop this bombshell so late, but:

Both NQT and Toonyman have claimed Agent.

Why does town Jack do this?

What purpose does it serve?

This is purposeless.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:20:06 pm

Jim Groovester

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Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 06:20:13 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:12:38 pm

I hate to drop this bombshell so late, but:

Both NQT and Toonyman have claimed Agent.

EuchreJack, there can be two, can there not? Like there are apparently two kooks. Why are you giving me two targets? You should have just done that in PMs.

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Post by: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 06:21:07 pm

I'm willing to believe in two Agents with 2+ Kooks (and who knows what tech floating around). That was essentially the setup of the last big game: excess investigation, but loads of potential false positives/negatives.

Let's unpick that mystery on D2 once we theoretically have two agent's night actions to work with.

I'm really not liking that EuchreJack threw that in the mix now. This does seem like a last-hour distraction attempt.

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Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 06:21:29 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 06:19:13 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:12:38 pm

I hate to drop this bombshell so late, but:

Both NQT and Toonyman have claimed Agent.

Why does town Jack do this?

What purpose does it serve?

This is purposeless.

There isn't at this point, he's officially causing chaos during the end of day vote. Which is not town.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:22:19 pm

NQT

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Post by: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 06:24:04 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:20:06 pm

Jim Groovester

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:22:19 pm

NQT

Well I think we're on the right track with FoU or KW64 given this blatantly obvious jestering.

Right? Right?

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Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:24:48 pm

EuchreJack.

Stop.

We're voting out Knightwing.

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:25:01 pm

I’ll confirm NQT’s claim, and mirror everyone’s confusion as to why it was revealed now by EJ, doing the scum’s work for them.

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:25:19 pm

*sigh*

This is ridiculous

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Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 06:25:26 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:22:19 pm

NQT

Hey... Jack? Ol buddy, friend, townie mistakin. That double vote of yours, should we test it?
(https://i.imgflip.com/75mb5t.jpg)

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Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 06:26:13 pm

Meme as that is, please don't doubleshoot web?

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Post by: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 06:27:13 pm

I'm trying to write up an up-to-date vote count but it's hard with EJ's vote carousel. Anyone in this game you don't want to vote, Jack??

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:30:35 pm

@NQT: Thanks for helping out. I'll keep voting you until you're done.

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Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:31:22 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:12:38 pm

I hate to drop this bombshell so late, but:

Both NQT and Toonyman have claimed Agent.

When was this?

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Post by: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 06:31:34 pm

I think this is where it's at, though if EJ's goal was to confuse the EOD, consider it a partial success. Max is not using his vote, which is typical.

Knightwing64: 3: webadict, FallacyofUrist, Jim
EuchreJack: 2: Tric, NQT
hector13: 1: Knightwing64
FallacyofUrist: 1: hector13
notquitethere: 1: EuchreJack
Vector: 1: ToonyMan
Jim 1: EuchreJack

(assuming EJ has two votes)

Nothing: Max

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:32:23 pm

I have one vote doubled upon the same person, sorry for the confusion.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:33:45 pm

Point of order: I can tie the vote of Knightwing with several folks.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:35:11 pm

Unofficial knockoff votecount (if wrong, blame NQT)
Knightwing64: 3: webadict, FallacyofUrist, Jim
EuchreJack: 2: Tric, NQT
hector13: 1: Knightwing64
FallacyofUrist: 1: hector13
notquitethere: 1: EuchreJack, EuchreJack
Vector: 1: ToonyMan

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Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 06:35:42 pm

FallacyofUrist

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:36:49 pm

You could tie the vote yes.

Should you tie the vote? No.

Would you tie the vote?

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Post by: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 06:37:46 pm

In which case this is how it stands:

Quote from: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 06:31:34 pm

Knightwing64: 3: webadict, FallacyofUrist, Jim
EuchreJack: 2: Tric, NQT
notquitethere: 2: EuchreJack, EuchreJack
FallacyofUrist: 2: hector13, Max
hector13: 1: Knightwing64

Vector: 1: ToonyMan

I'll switch out again to stop a massive tie if necessary.

To restate the cases:

KW: Doing naff all and being purely reactionary
EJ: EOD confusion, revealing roles spoken in confidence
NQT: Being too handsome and cool to live Going too hard on KW
Hector: I honestly don't understand the case on H
Fallacy: grandstanding? Weird defence of KW
Vector: POE and pro-game to remove an absent player

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Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:39:04 pm

I don't think I'm indifferent about NQT dying anymore if Jack is telling the truth.

It seems like Jack is revealing information about NQT to the public that he really shouldn't be, but Jack is doing this because he's panicking and probably town (unless he's trying to save partner Knightwing?).

I don't understand why Jack is voting NQT. I don't think we should be voting NQT today.

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Post by: Mamobo on January 07, 2023, 06:41:15 pm

Vote Count
------------------------
-> Knightwing64 --3-- webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443731#msg8443731), FallacyofUrist* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443888#msg8443888), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443909#msg8443909),
EuchreJack      --2-- TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443927#msg8443927), notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443928#msg8443928),
FallacyofUrist  --2-- hector13* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443542#msg8443542), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443948#msg8443948),
hector13        --1-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442788#msg8442788),
notquitethere   --1-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443931#msg8443931),
Vector          --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443229#msg8443229),
webadict        --1-- Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442727#msg8442727),
Jim Groovester  --0--
Maximum Spin    --0--
ToonyMan        --0--
TricMagic       --0--
No One          --0--

Not Voting      --0--

6 to Hammer. Day ends on January 07, 2023 at 19:00 Central Standard Time (1 hour and 18 minutes remaining.)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 06:41:57 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:38:20 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:34:54 pm

Kind of want to see Maximum Spin weigh in before the deadline.

As do I, but Max doesn't care what we think. I mean, if Max posts at the last minute, that looks really scummy.
But Max as town looks really scummy, so I'm probably just going to have to live with that.

Lol fuck you I was busy
you don't deserve to be right

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Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:42:24 pm

I'll vote Knightwing if nobody is willing to vote Vector. I would still prefer Vector...

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:43:08 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 06:41:57 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 05:38:20 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 07, 2023, 05:34:54 pm

Kind of want to see Maximum Spin weigh in before the deadline.

As do I, but Max doesn't care what we think. I mean, if Max posts at the last minute, that looks really scummy.
But Max as town looks really scummy, so I'm probably just going to have to live with that.

Lol fuck you I was busy
you don't deserve to be right

All according to plan...

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:42:24 pm

I'll vote Knightwing if nobody is willing to vote Vector. I would still prefer Vector...

Yeah, I'll join that.
Vector

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:43:53 pm

I’m not averse to a KW launch today. As mentioned previously, it’s within his scum game to disappear.

PPE: *sigh*

I think you haven’t voted for Toony or webadict yet if you want to complete your bingo card.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:44:41 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:43:53 pm

I’m not averse to a KW launch today. As mentioned previously, it’s within his scum game to disappear.

PPE: *sigh*

I think you haven’t voted for Toony or webadict yet if you want to complete your bingo card.

Toony
Webadict
...nah

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Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 06:44:59 pm

Do you people not see how scummy Fallacy is?

Being weird and dumb and a little hyper is pretty town-Jack. I'm not saying I think he's town, but it's solidly NAI.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:46:15 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 06:35:42 pm

FallacyofUrist

Why are you voting Fallacy instead of Knightwing, as our Resident Expert Knightwing scum detector?

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Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:46:40 pm

We should 100% vote Knightwing here.  Knightwing chose not to do anything when given the chance, and he decided to AFK.

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Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:46:49 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 06:44:59 pm

Do you people not see how scummy Fallacy is?

Being weird and dumb and a little hyper is pretty town-Jack. I'm not saying I think he's town, but it's solidly NAI.

I would be pretty shocked if Jack is mafia here. I think he's being overloaded by information.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:47:09 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 06:44:59 pm

Do you people not see how scummy Fallacy is?

Being weird and dumb and a little hyper is pretty town-Jack. I'm not saying I think he's town, but it's solidly NAI.

I DID I DID but they all said i was crazy

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:47:49 pm

Hell, I'd vote Fallacy again, but I've been moving my vote too much lately.

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Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 06:48:16 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:46:15 pm

Why are you voting Fallacy instead of Knightwing, as our Resident Expert Knightwing scum detector?

Because a Knightwing left alone will wither anyway.

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Post by: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 06:48:44 pm

I've got to go to bed before EOD. I don't like Jack's play in the last few hours, but I did have him top rated for town earlier in the day, so, let's avoid the ties:

Knightwing

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Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 06:48:56 pm

I have absolutely no trust in Jack. At all.

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Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:49:05 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:46:40 pm

We should 100% vote Knightwing here.  Knightwing chose not to do anything when given the chance, and he decided to AFK.

I don't disagree.

Let me add a question though:

Why is FoU voting Knightwing here? Is it a bus?

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Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:49:48 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 06:48:44 pm

I've got to go to bed before EOD. I don't like Jack's play in the last few hours, but I did have him top rated for town earlier in the day

I mean, this is why you told him your role via PM right? I assume you told your top town reads at the time.

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:50:19 pm

I’m with Max, my first preference is for FoU to go, then KW.

My main point of contention is FoU voting KW.

ninja’d a million billion times.

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Post by: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 06:52:29 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:49:48 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 07, 2023, 06:48:44 pm

I've got to go to bed before EOD. I don't like Jack's play in the last few hours, but I did have him top rated for town earlier in the day

I mean, this is why you told him your role via PM right? I assume you told your top town reads at the time.

Yes exactly.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:49:05 pm

Why is FoU voting Knightwing here? Is it a bus?

When he voted it was to save his own skin despite having just been arguing strenuously against a KW launch, so a very plausible bus if they're both scum. But it's also literally what I do as town every single time.

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Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:53:06 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:49:05 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:46:40 pm

We should 100% vote Knightwing here.  Knightwing chose not to do anything when given the chance, and he decided to AFK.

I don't disagree.

Let me add a question though:

Why is FoU voting Knightwing here? Is it a bus?

I honestly think that Fallacy is Town here, as absolutely stupid as that is.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:55:09 pm

If I vote Fallacy, we'd have a tie again.

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:55:41 pm

Jack, stop panicking, you literally control who you vote for.

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Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:57:12 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 06:55:41 pm

Jack, stop panicking, you literally control who you vote for.

^

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:57:53 pm

Vote Countish
------------------------
-> Knightwing64 --4-- webadict*, FallacyofUrist*, Jim Groovester*, notquitethere
Vector          --3-- ToonyMan*, EuchreJack, EuchreJack
EuchreJack      --1-- TricMagic*
FallacyofUrist  --2-- hector13*, Maximum Spin*,
hector13        --1-- Knightwing64*,

Knightwing is being kinda useless, honestly.  But so is Fallacy.

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Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 06:59:17 pm

God, Jack, I can't believe you're making me do this. Knightwing64.
THERE. NOW YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT. GO TO BED.

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Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 07:00:23 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 06:57:53 pm

Vote Countish
------------------------
-> Knightwing64 --4-- webadict*, FallacyofUrist*, Jim Groovester*, notquitethere
Vector          --3-- ToonyMan*, EuchreJack, EuchreJack
EuchreJack      --1-- TricMagic*
FallacyofUrist  --2-- hector13*, Maximum Spin*,
hector13        --1-- Knightwing64*,

Knightwing is being kinda useless, honestly.  But so is Fallacy.

And I'm not?

Knightwing

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 07:01:22 pm

Oh fine.

Knightwing

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:02:59 pm

I'm ok with this ending now, sorry folks.  Hopefully we got some useful info for Day 2.

Knightwing64 just to move on.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:03:17 pm

God I miss hammers

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Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 07:05:09 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:02:59 pm

I'm ok with this ending now, sorry folks.  Hopefully we got some useful info for Day 2.

Knightwing64 just to move on.

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:03:17 pm

God I miss hammers

So... You'd have been fine with me getting hammered overnight? I got plenty of data from this. Time remains to see how much of it is junk.

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Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 07:05:29 pm

Also I'm breaking up with you.

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Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2023, 07:08:09 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:03:17 pm

God I miss hammers

The game does have shortens.

I think it looks like everyone's made up their mind?

Ugh. Alright. The good news is I'll have more information on Day 2. That should make things a bit easier.

Shorten.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:08:59 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 07:05:09 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:02:59 pm

I'm ok with this ending now, sorry folks.  Hopefully we got some useful info for Day 2.

Knightwing64 just to move on.

Quote from: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:03:17 pm

God I miss hammers

So... You'd have been fine with me getting hammered overnight? I got plenty of data from this. Time remains to see how much of it is junk.

I'm just sick of this garbage sitting around because we have to do a second vote to end early.
Shorten I guess, since I don't know if this counts as Meph's weird nebulous "I can end the game early, if I feel like it"

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Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 07:09:28 pm

Wow I think KW is being voted by every player now but me and himself.

I think he's probably mafia at this point but that means his dopp boys are just done with him.

Tonight will be interesting.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:09:48 pm

Can I change my forum name to "Shorten"?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 07:10:28 pm

What's the point in shortening when there's only 50 minutes left.

What if KW drops the sickiest reads between now and then??

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Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 07:11:00 pm

Please put down the coffee and speed, EuchreJack.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 07:13:21 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 07:10:28 pm

What's the point in shortening when there's only 50 minutes left.

What if KW drops the sickiest reads between now and then??

I'd last minute shift my vote to Vector if he did that.

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Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 07:13:24 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:53:06 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:49:05 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:46:40 pm

We should 100% vote Knightwing here.  Knightwing chose not to do anything when given the chance, and he decided to AFK.

I don't disagree.

Let me add a question though:

Why is FoU voting Knightwing here? Is it a bus?

I honestly think that Fallacy is Town here, as absolutely stupid as that is.

I still don't like how any of FoU's posts sound.

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 07:14:18 pm

Then vote for FoU!

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Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 07:15:59 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 07:13:24 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:53:06 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 06:49:05 pm

Quote from: webadict on January 07, 2023, 06:46:40 pm

We should 100% vote Knightwing here.  Knightwing chose not to do anything when given the chance, and he decided to AFK.

I don't disagree.

Let me add a question though:

Why is FoU voting Knightwing here? Is it a bus?

I honestly think that Fallacy is Town here, as absolutely stupid as that is.

I still don't like how any of FoU's posts sound.

Yeah, I kinda agree with the last part of that, but everyone's freaking the fuck out right now.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:18:11 pm

I think Knightwing has probably checked out, but if he did post, I imagine it would be this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

You all suck.

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 07:18:42 pm

The only person freaking out is EJ, and I think everybody moved their vote to KW to assuage that.

I don’t have the energy to care at this point though, I think.

There’s still time to vote out FoU.

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Post by: webadict on January 07, 2023, 07:21:45 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 07:18:42 pm

The only person freaking out is EJ, and I think everybody moved their vote to KW to assuage that.

I don’t have the energy to care at this point though, I think.

There’s still time to vote out FoU.

Nah, I'd rather vote a Knightwing that isn't gonna try.

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Post by: TricMagic on January 07, 2023, 07:22:21 pm

Lurkers get lycnhed.

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Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2023, 07:26:12 pm

I definitely don't like how FoU's posts sound but I absolutely did shift my vote specifically because Jack was giving me a headache. So as long as hector's talking about me specifically, he's right on target.

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 07:27:58 pm

You were at the forefront of my mind, yes.

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Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2023, 07:35:18 pm

So...anyone see any good movies lately?

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Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2023, 07:38:47 pm

Saw the Matilda movie earlier today. Bit too singy, but it was entertaining.

Also saw Glass Onion last week. Could’ve done without a fellow watcher’s running commentary but it was very enjoyable.

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Post by: ToonyMan on January 07, 2023, 07:57:10 pm

This would be more exciting if Knightwing was here.

I hope Vector gets a replacement at least.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Mephansteras on January 07, 2023, 07:58:09 pm

The Whiteboard
Knightwing64: 9: EuchreJack, FallacyofUrist, hector13, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, notquitethere, TricMagic, webadict
hector13: 1: Knightwing64
Vector: 1: ToonyMan


  The discussion drags through the day. Fingers are pointed, arguments made. People whisper in corners and messages fly between communicators.

  But, of course, there is little evidence at this stage. Hunches, gut feelings, past interactions, all are trotted out as reasons that one person or another are really a doppelganger and should die.

  In the end, the votes settle on Knightwing64. Their eyes get wide, and then go downcast.

  "But I didn't do anything!" they mumble as the group drags them outside.

  "Exactly!" Says EuchreJack, leveling one of the few firearms on base at the convicted coworker. "You should have done more. Said more. You were quiet. Too quiet." The gunshot is oddly muffled in the thin air.

  You all wait, expectantly, for the form to shift. For his alien nature to appear.

  But it does not. Knightwing was human, after all.

  A search of his quarters does uncover some interesting things, though. Various manuals on psychic abilities and ways to communicate with the dead. Seems he was a Medium. Well, guess he'll have no difficulty talking to ghosts now.   

---

Night has fallen. Send in your actions!

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Post by: Mephansteras on January 08, 2023, 04:58:19 pm

  Morning has arrived. Well, morning as far as your clocks are concerned. This planet has weak sunlight and a 22 hour day, so you keep artificial hours anyway. But it does happen to be light outside right now, so that’s something.

  You reconvene in the mess hall. Except, well, TricMagic just never shows up. With grim looks all around you decide to go check on him.

  His room is empty, and unlocked. A search of the surrounding area find some drag marks and blood stains.

  Looks like the Doppelgangers may have gotten him.

  A search of his room finds a letter up on his computer, composed but not sent since the comms tower is out. Seems it was to his sister, and he’s determined to do his job and act as an Observant Guard for everyone here.

  Maybe he was targeted. Maybe he died saving someone else. Time to go back and get things started again.

  There are still three of those monsters out there. And the longer they stay alive the less time any of you have left.

---

Day 2 has started. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Wednesday.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:02:08 pm

It's notquitethere. Don't ask how I know.

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Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 05:19:54 pm

Wow.

Vector tried to kill me. Tric died protecting me and told me it was Vector.

Vector has to be a dopp here.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 05:23:56 pm

I take back everything bad I said about Tric. He's a hero.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:02:08 pm

It's notquitethere. Don't ask how I know.

Interesting.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:30:35 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 05:23:56 pm

I take back everything bad I said about Tric. He's a hero.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:02:08 pm

It's notquitethere. Don't ask how I know.

Interesting.

Vector's my second choice, though.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 05:38:19 pm

I attempted to use an investigative action on Maximum Spin, but it looks like I was roleblocked by a Psychic Warden, based on the description in the roles list.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 05:19:54 pm

Wow.

Vector tried to kill me. Tric died protecting me and told me it was Vector.

Vector has to be a dopp here.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:02:08 pm

It's notquitethere. Don't ask how I know.

Well then.

Guess we vote out Vector then? I don't think ToonyMan makes this audacious a fakeclaim as scum.

Then afterwards we decide between Max and NQT, because that situation is a bit less clear cut.

RIP Knightwing. You will be missed, buddy. That was a dumb execution, we knew it was dumb, and yet we went ahead anyways.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 05:23:56 pm

I take back everything bad I said about Tric. He's a hero.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/667290367783075860/1061775382325497956/Screen_Shot_2023-01-08_at_4.35.24_PM.png)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:40:18 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 05:38:19 pm

I attempted to use an investigative action on Maximum Spin, but it looks like I was roleblocked by a Psychic Warden, based on the description in the roles list.

It wouldn't have worked anyway, since I'm a miller.


Nah, just messing with you.

Quote

Well then.

Guess we vote out Vector then? I don't think ToonyMan makes this audacious a fakeclaim as scum.

Then afterwards we decide between Max and NQT, because that situation is a bit less clear cut.

I'm down. Vector

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 05:41:42 pm

Web and Max are also town. I'm like...90% positive they're both town.

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Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 05:43:33 pm

Vector.

That said, we shouldn't end the day until everyone has had a good chance to claim. I'd like to see if NQT has any counterclaim to Spin's claim, for example.

It'd be the mother of all busses if those two are both scum, heh.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 05:47:21 pm

I’m inclined to trust Toony more at this point, will wait on voting until others have chipped in, consider this an intent to vote Vector.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 08, 2023, 06:05:09 pm

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm if it actually is Vector that attempted the night kill I have opinions about remote control scum team members.

FallacyofUrist didn't leave his house during N1.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:02:08 pm

It's notquitethere. Don't ask how I know.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 05:19:54 pm

Wow.

Vector tried to kill me. Tric died protecting me and told me it was Vector.

Vector has to be a dopp here.

Hmmmmmmm hm hm hm hm hm hm hm hmmmmmmmmmm hm hm hm hmm hmmm hmmmm hmmmmm.

Dopp flavor?

Vector.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 08, 2023, 06:13:54 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 08, 2023, 06:05:09 pm

Dopp flavor?

It helps to read the day opening flavor from time to time.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:15:54 pm

CLAIM

Town should lie but they probably shouldn't lie as much as I do. I fancy-played myself in a circle this time. My goal was to privately claim agent to survive D1, WIFOM a target into revealing more than they should on D2 or maybe take a bullet as I actually have a pretty low value actual role...

Obviously EJ revealing that Toony is also an agent through that plan out the window.

Still it's time to be up front. My real role is Medium. Here's some of the dead chat:

Quote from: KW

I blame web

It’s webs fault

Shdusnjszjsj

Ahhhhhhhsajsjshsj

I need some water

oh mannnnnn

Curse my bodies need for sleep

I know everything

Tell web knightwing said to watch his back 👁

Quote from: TricMagic

I should note it's posible web is pulling a frame job. Vector's MIA so could have used me to shore up his town cred. More WIFOM though.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 06:17:41 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 08, 2023, 06:05:09 pm

FallacyofUrist didn't leave his house during N1.

How are you a Kook and a Reporter? Is that a thing?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 06:18:40 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:15:54 pm

CLAIM

lololololololololol

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:20:27 pm

Tric says

Quote

Town echo, send to Toony that web directed me? If they even exist.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 06:22:12 pm

So Tric wasn't even really the one that protected me, but it was Web telling Tric what to do eh?

Not sure why Webadict does that unless Web is town.

Title: Boo
Post by: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:22:48 pm

Tric confirms Toony's claim, so I'm down to remove Vector today.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 08, 2023, 06:25:42 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 06:17:41 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 08, 2023, 06:05:09 pm

FallacyofUrist didn't leave his house during N1.

How are you a Kook and a Reporter? Is that a thing?

Not a Reporter, an Intelligence Scientist with a Snooper Bot. And you can be a Kook anything, as long as you're human.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:40:18 pm

It wouldn't have worked anyway, since I'm a miller.

I don't remember you claiming this on Day 1.

There's a lot of fuckery going on this game.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:15:54 pm

CLAIM

Town should lie but they probably shouldn't lie as much as I do. I fancy-played myself in a circle this time. My goal was to privately claim agent to survive D1, WIFOM a target into revealing more than they should on D2 or maybe take a bullet as I actually have a pretty low value actual role...

Obviously EJ revealing that Toony is also an agent through that plan out the window.

Still it's time to be up front. My real role is Medium. Here's some of the dead chat:

This is fishy.

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:20:27 pm

Tric says

Quote

Town echo, send to Toony that web directed me? If they even exist.

Why would scum webadict do this over having Vector target somebody he knew was less likely to be protected?

I have an incredibly hard time seeing the value of this as a scum gambit.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:27:23 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 08, 2023, 06:25:42 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:40:18 pm

It wouldn't have worked anyway, since I'm a miller.

I don't remember you claiming this on Day 1.

There's a lot of fuckery going on this game.

I think you missed that I said I was joking. For the record, I'm not a miller, and notquitethere is scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:29:06 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:27:23 pm

notquitethere is scum.

Back that up

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 06:30:45 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:22:48 pm

Tric confirms Toony's claim, so I'm down to remove Vector today.

I don't know why this always happen to you NQT, you get some really unlucky N1s as mafia.

Then again, the publicly revealed agent being protected by the publicly revealed protector only makes sense, right?

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:29:06 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:27:23 pm

notquitethere is scum.

Back that up

There's a very good chance you're mafia if Max is town, and vice versa.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Mephansteras on January 08, 2023, 06:33:25 pm

The Whiteboard
Vector: 5: FallacyofUrist, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, notquitethere, ToonyMan

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Wednesday.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:33:53 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:29:06 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:27:23 pm

notquitethere is scum.

Back that up

I already did the scutwork. Enough people have enough information to know it's you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:36:35 pm

(http://i.postimg.cc/bYMMWmpw/pirateavatar.png): Max ye scabrous bilge-rat! Arrr, ye going to spill yer beans or am I going to spill yer guts?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:42:37 pm

So yeah, anyway, who's third? Thinking it over, I think it's Fallacy and ToonyMan was right all along (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442898#msg8442898).

I guess if anyone wants to claim roleblocking him I'll change my mind.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 06:49:49 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:42:37 pm

So yeah, anyway, who's third? Thinking it over, I think it's Fallacy and ToonyMan was right all along (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8442898#msg8442898).

Sometimes my D1 reads are really good.

I think the third dopp could still be Hector, but hopefully they're at least a dopp leader so I feel real good about myself.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 07:16:06 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:33:53 pm

Quote from: notquitethere on January 08, 2023, 06:29:06 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:27:23 pm

notquitethere is scum.

Back that up

I already did the scutwork. Enough people have enough information to know it's you.

Look, I think NQT is suspicious too, but you have to at least post your case in the thread, mate. That's like, a basic rule of mafia. You don't get to just mess around in PMs or whatever it is you're doing.

I'm probably investigating you tonight. Jim's play is better, ToonyMan is locktown, webadict is hard town, Euchre is... worthy of consideration, especially given that he dumped ToonyMan's role claim in the thread like that, but that's still not as suspicious as you doing literally nothing.

'NQT is scum'

'Why?'

'I don't have to answer that'

Well if you don't actually answer that basic question I won't vote NQT. Well, I might, and it seems likely that I will, but I won't do it because you said so.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 07:16:31 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:42:37 pm

I guess if anyone wants to claim roleblocking him I'll change my mind.

Wait are you the fucking psychic warden that roleblocked me

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 07:18:45 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 07:16:06 pm

Well if you don't actually answer that basic question I won't vote NQT. Well, I might, and it seems likely that I will, but I won't do it because you said so.

Sure, that's fair. Convince me the third is hector and not you, and I'll let you in on it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 08, 2023, 07:23:55 pm

ha ha look at the guy who forswore PMs getting mad he's not in the secret club ha ha ha ha lmao

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 07:24:50 pm

I can and will investigate you and post the results publicly

Do not test me, Jimbot

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 08, 2023, 07:26:16 pm

ha ha look at the guy threatening someone who's fully claimed in thread with an investigation lmao ha ha ha ha

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 07:27:39 pm

Okay Jim is the hivemind leader and he converted Max, the psychic warden. Got it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 07:33:04 pm

Wait, fuck, that actually makes sense.

Jim as Hivemind, uses the tech slot to get a Permanent Holoform Modulator. Uses that to show himself like a Kook would.

Converts Max, the psychic warden.

Gets Max's results, and uses the fact that I was roleblocked to fakeclaim a Snooper Bot.

Well, fuck.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 07:33:46 pm

Wardin' DEEZ NUTS.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 07:36:36 pm

Now, obviously we execute Vector, then Jim converts Toonyman, uses Toony's incredible town cred to execute me or NQT (likely NQT as the slightly easier target, portraying me as a conspiracy theorist), and by that point we have too many hivemind cultists to survive.

Yeah no.

I think we need to execute Jim Groovester before this cult shit gets out of hand. Then deal with the dopps.

I mean, okay

What's the relative value of executing the Hivemind leader now as opposed to executing a confirmed dopp?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 07:39:29 pm

20:00
 
It was a lonely night. Chef Toony thought to himself.
 
Tonight's dish was a personal favorite of his, beef steak.
 
After everyone on at the outpost went to bed for the night he began putting the dishes and cutlery away. It was a lot of work, being the only cook to feed everyone and keep them from succumbing to hunger.
 
He stopped for a moment.
 
There was another kind of hunger, a deadly hunger living here.
 
Doppelgangers.
 
Any one of his crewmates could be a flesh-eating alien. And they were stranded here. Stranded! The thought drove him mad. He needed to know, he needed to know who he can trust.
 
As he was putting the last of the knives away he held his grip on the final one. The knife was a long, serrated blade meant for cutting meat. Instead of putting the blade away...he took it with him.
 
This ends tonight.
 
***
 
22:00
 
Toony went back to his quarters quickly to change his clothes. He wasn't going to be sneaking around in bright white chef overalls. In fact, there was a secret he hasn't told anyone here. He opened his closet and sorted through his belongings. After glancing behind his back to make sure nobody was around, he pressed little red button in the bottom corner of the closest.
 
*foosh*
 
A hidden compartment revealed itself. Inside was the coolest looking detective hat you've ever seen.
 
He put on clothes better suited for sleuthing, his favorite hat, and gripped the knife inside his jacket as he left his room.
 
***
 
00:00
 
Special Agent Toony looked at his watch. It was the beginning of a new day. He was just outside Suspect #1's house. He didn't know whether they were home or not. That's what the knife is for, he thought to himself.
 
After some trial and error he managed to get into their residence. No one appeared to be home. He sighed with relief, in truth he wasn't sure if he could face one his crewmates - no - his friends right now.
 
He began going through all of their belongings, making sure to leave things the way they were before. He was wearing gloves so prints weren't a concern. Nothing looked suspicious, what was he even looking for? Alien technology? Private communications? He shook his head about how impulsive he was being.
 
Exhausted, he sat down on their bed. Suddenly, he saw something fall in the corner of his eye. He spun around, it looked like something fell behind the other side of the bed. He got up to look. It was...
 
It was...!
 
***
 
02:00
 
Secret Agent Toony arrived at his home's entrance. He felt very confused, but relaxed.
 
He just wanted to go to sleep at this point.
 
Right when his foot passed through the doorway he thought he saw a figure inside the room.
 
"Look out!!" Someone yelled as they shoved him from the side.
 
A loud noise erupts out as part of the doorway is torn by ferocious claws.
 
Doppelganger! A doppelganger was waiting to kill him in his own home!
 
He turns to look at his savior, it was TricMagic the security guard. Tric was holding a stun baton and facing off with the doppelganger!
 
"Get inside, I'll hold them off! Tell everyone it's Vector!"
 
Toony can hear a walkie-talkie going off on Tric's belt with someone yelling on the other side. He could probably figure out who it was if he wasn't facing down life or death.
 
After merely half a second, Secret Chef Toony tries to run by the doppelganger into his room. The alien creature swipes at him and he fends them off with the knife he's been carrying for hours. He quickly bolts the door shut and pushes everything he can to block the entrance.
 
By the time his heart settles down he can no longer hear anything outside his room.
 
"I don't think I'm getting any sleep tonight." Confidential Detective Toony says to themselves as they take a stuffed penguin doll out of their jacket pocket.
 
"This was your work, wasn't it?" Toony smiles.
 
It almost looks like the penguin is winking at him.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 07:46:32 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 07:36:36 pm

Now, obviously we execute Vector, then Jim converts Toonyman, uses Toony's incredible town cred to execute me or NQT (likely NQT as the slightly easier target, portraying me as a conspiracy theorist), and by that point we have too many hivemind cultists to survive.

Yeah no.

I think we need to execute Jim Groovester before this cult shit gets out of hand. Then deal with the dopps.

I mean, okay

What's the relative value of executing the Hivemind leader now as opposed to executing a confirmed dopp?

Explain how that fits into there being three pods in the OP of the game.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 07:51:03 pm

Would a hivemind arrive in a pod? Or would it be an ancient evil, entombed in solid rock, awakened by digging into the planetoid to create the base? Or a psychic ghost latching onto a new host?

That aside I have no idea if a hostile third party would be represented in the opening flavor or not. If they usually are, then that probably means my theory is invalid. Let me look at some past paranormal games.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 07:57:38 pm

Fallacy, aren't you usually saying we should worry about scum before any potential third parties?

You know, when you aren't scum.

Anyway, feel free to investigate me all you like. I haven't been affected or altered in any way.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 08:15:19 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 07:57:38 pm

Fallacy, aren't you usually saying we should worry about scum before any potential third parties?

Normally, yes. But cult specifically snowball if left alone for too long, in a way the mafia don't. Since the hivemind leader takes out every cultist with him if executed, it's more cost-effective to execute a hivemind leader than one mafia player.

Assuming, of course, that there is a hivemind. The theory makes sense to me, but - ah, to heck with it

Mephansteras: Would a Hivemind have some flavor that would show up in the game's initial post? Or is that not guaranteed?

Should have just asked that to begin with.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Mephansteras on January 08, 2023, 08:32:32 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 08:15:19 pm

Mephansteras: Would a Hivemind have some flavor that would show up in the game's initial post? Or is that not guaranteed?

Third parties do not show up in the opening flavor, no.

Paranormals 19 and 20 had Hiveminds, if you want to check those games out.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 08:34:09 pm

I’m gonna vote for Vector ‘cause there’s really no reason not to, and I don’t think FoU’s theory has any traction.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 08:36:21 pm

If there were three dopps and a hivemind who has successfully recruited, more than half of town are already gone. Lynch the hivemind successfully, and we're down to seven players, three of whom are dopps, so we probably lose. On the other hand, lynch the known dopp, and we'd go into the night with eight players, two dopps and two hiveminds, which is potentially survivable if the dopps kill a hivemind member in the night OR the hivemind try to recruit a dopp. So if you were actually trying to help town, you still can't weasel out of lynching vector.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 08:38:39 pm

You would say that if you were trying to protect your hivemind master.

... at the same time, I can't argue with that logic at all. Vector.

Now excuse me while I read those past hivemind games.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 09:20:33 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:02:08 pm

It's notquitethere. Don't ask how I know.

But realistically speaking

How is this any different than me saying

'Jim is a Hivemind. Don't ask how I know.' and immediately expecting everyone to go along with me?

What's better about your approach that mine doesn't have?

I just see the metaphorical 'same picture'.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 09:23:10 pm

Well if Max is right, we vote out Vector, Max blocks you or me, and Jim tracks NQT. Either the kill gets blocked or Jim sees NQT do it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 09:23:52 pm

Or the kill goes through and we vote out whoever Max didn’t block.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 09:33:40 pm

Well if Toony is an agent we could actually investigate the odd one out, but Toony thinks I’m a dopp leader so I get tracked by Jim and Max blocks NQT and Toony investigates FoU.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 08, 2023, 09:53:37 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 05:19:54 pm

Wow.

Vector tried to kill me. Tric died protecting me and told me it was Vector.

Vector has to be a dopp here.

I can confirm that I told Tric to protect ToonyMan.

Vector.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 10:00:20 pm

Does anybody have anything they need to tell us, or should we shorten?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 08, 2023, 10:08:27 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 10:00:20 pm

Does anybody have anything they need to tell us, or should we shorten?

I don't have anything that needs to be said in public, but I don't really care if we shorten or not.

I'll vote Shorten and let you guys decide!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 10:09:44 pm

I will claim my role at the start of Day 3. Not that it should be too hard to figure out what it is.

Just waiting for everyone's confirmation that they're good with the plan. I guess since investigating Jim won't do anything either way, Toony is pretty much confirmed, and Max is blatantly a Psychic Warden, I investigate you (hector) or NQT. Or webadict is technically an option, but I trust webadict to come forwards with his role if needed.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 10:13:23 pm

It looks like everything comes in twos, btw.

We’ve had 2 kooks claimed, 2 mediums, 2 protection roles, I suspect one of the three investigative roles is lying.

It’s probably just a conlincidence, but I thought I’d put it out there. Not sure what that may mean for the dopps, possibly 2 on a team and a rogue?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 08, 2023, 10:17:58 pm

I'm a Psychic Warden, Fallacy, I blocked you.  I frankly didn't trust you, and I assumed you were gonna kill, given how you acted at the end of Night 1.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 10:23:53 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 09:33:40 pm

Well if Toony is an agent we could actually investigate the odd one out, but Toony thinks I’m a dopp leader so I get tracked by Jim and Max blocks NQT and Toony investigates FoU.

I guess we sub webadict in to block NQT here then?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 10:44:42 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 10:13:23 pm

It looks like everything comes in twos, btw.

We’ve had 2 kooks claimed, 2 mediums, 2 protection roles, I suspect one of the three investigative roles is lying.

Who's the second protection role?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 10:45:52 pm

I thought psychic wardens were classed as protection in the OP?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 10:47:28 pm

Well, they have a protect goal, same as guards.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 10:47:38 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 10:45:52 pm

I thought psychic wardens were classed as protection in the OP?

Ah yeah.

...What'd you do last night Hector?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 10:51:44 pm

Nothing worth mentioning.

The triangle of actions should clear me N2, though, unless something weird happens.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 08, 2023, 11:05:01 pm

Yeah, pretty sure it's NQT and FoU.

Quote from: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 10:23:53 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 09:33:40 pm

Well if Toony is an agent we could actually investigate the odd one out, but Toony thinks I’m a dopp leader so I get tracked by Jim and Max blocks NQT and Toony investigates FoU.

I guess we sub webadict in to block NQT here then?

Sounds good to me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: hector13 on January 08, 2023, 11:09:25 pm

Cool beans.

Shorten

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 08, 2023, 11:15:13 pm

Vector

Shorten

This all makes sense to me. Sorry I missed most of the action.

@NQT: Prove your a Medium by asking Tric and/or Knightwing64 what I said to them in PM.  I spoke with both of them, so it should be any easy task.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 08, 2023, 11:16:41 pm

I tend to believe Knightwing would be screaming at Webadict in the Deadchat. But I think we all know that makes sense, so it'd be easy to fake.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2023, 12:12:28 am

Shorten

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 09, 2023, 12:38:01 am

Quote from: webadict on January 08, 2023, 10:17:58 pm

I'm a Psychic Warden, Fallacy, I blocked you.  I frankly didn't trust you, and I assumed you were gonna kill, given how you acted at the end of Night 1.

... ah.

Well, all the more reason to investigate Spin. Thanks for letting me know. Can't say I'm happy about it but I still think you're town.

Shorten.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 09, 2023, 12:39:59 am

WEB: Alright guys, time to Full Claim! I'm a Liar that Lies  :P
Which falls into Web's persona regardless of alignment.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2023, 12:45:22 am

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 09, 2023, 12:38:01 am

Quote from: webadict on January 08, 2023, 10:17:58 pm

I'm a Psychic Warden, Fallacy, I blocked you.  I frankly didn't trust you, and I assumed you were gonna kill, given how you acted at the end of Night 1.

... ah.

Well, all the more reason to investigate Spin. Thanks for letting me know. Can't say I'm happy about it but I still think you're town.

Shorten.

I literally never suggested you were right. I thought I was pretty clear that you were wrong and I was only wardin' deez nuts.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: EuchreJack on January 09, 2023, 12:51:43 am

Dragon Deez Nutz, indeed!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 09, 2023, 01:34:08 am

Shorten.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: ToonyMan on January 09, 2023, 09:15:17 am

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 08, 2023, 07:33:04 pm

Wait, fuck, that actually makes sense.

Jim as Hivemind, uses the tech slot to get a Permanent Holoform Modulator. Uses that to show himself like a Kook would.

Converts Max, the psychic warden.

Gets Max's results, and uses the fact that I was roleblocked to fakeclaim a Snooper Bot.

Well, fuck.

Jim basically told me he had a tracking ability on D1, in private.

Because PMs are busted.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: webadict on January 09, 2023, 09:36:08 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 09, 2023, 09:15:17 am

Because PMs are busted.

Yeah they are.  I tried to warn people.

Also, Jim told me the same thing, so I believe him.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 2 - 1 Replacement needed
Post by: Mephansteras on January 09, 2023, 11:45:12 am

The Whiteboard
Vector: 8: EuchreJack, FallacyofUrist, hector13, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, ToonyMan, webadict
Maximum Spin: 1: notquitethere

Shorten: 6: EuchreJack, FallacyofUrist, hector13, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, webadict


  There is little disagreement this day. Vector has been named doppelganger and no evidence has been given to dispute that.

  The accused stands up, slowly, and as they straighten up their form changes. The features melt into a smooth and unnatural face, split only by a large mouth full of sharp teeth. The limbs elongate, and the hands sprout viscous looking claws.

  Without a word the doppelganger leaps towards Toonyman, claws ready to rend. Before they can reach him, however, the room is deafened by the loud report of a gun. The creature staggers to the side before turning on EuchreJack who once again holds the security rifle. He fires again, and this time the monster collapses to the floor. A third shot, and it lies still.

  It takes a while for the ringing in your ears to go away. When you can actually hear again, a decision is made to check out Vector's room for clues.

  Interesting. Inside you find a cache of documents on their computer that indicate that Vector, the original Vector, was actually an Agent investigating the area. Did the corporation actually know about the doppelgangers ahead of time? Or suspect?

  A disquieting thought. But not a mystery you can solve today.

  You retire a bit early today. You all need your rest for the night to come.

---

A short day, but not unexpected. Night has fallen, send in your actions!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Night 2
Post by: Mephansteras on January 09, 2023, 11:20:55 pm

  Morning dawns. A bit off schedule from your alarms at this point, but still close enough that you awaken to some light.

  A bit to your surprise, everyone is alive and accounted for in the mess hall. A welcome sight, and one that brings some hope. And, perhaps, a bit of paranoia.

  Nevertheless, you still have to deal with two more doppelgangers before you can feel safe again. Best get to it.

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Thursday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2023, 11:42:14 pm

I'd like to hear some claims before I present my findings.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 12:18:44 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2023, 11:42:14 pm

I'd like to hear some claims before I present my findings.

Sure.

You've been running the mother of all bluffs, because I know now that you are a Medium.

... which is a bit nightmarish, because NQT claimed Medium, and Knightwing flipped Medium.

This setup is hilarious and rotten.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 12:22:47 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2023, 11:42:14 pm

I'd like to hear some claims before I present my findings.

The most important claim, though, isn't mine but Toony's, since he's the town-sided Agent in this weird-ass scenario.

Oh, and I am a Detective. I figure out people's roles. There. Claimed my role. I did say I would, and now I have.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 10, 2023, 12:30:14 am

I had my robot stalk FallacyofUrist again. He visited Maximum Spin.

But I actually *moustache twirl* converted another player to my hivemind cult *moustache twirl* and waited for FoU to claim so that I could fakeclaim *moustache twirl*.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 12:37:55 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 10, 2023, 12:30:14 am

But I actually *moustache twirl* converted another player to my hivemind cult *moustache twirl* and waited for FoU to claim so that I could fakeclaim *moustache twirl*.

I would much greatly appreciate it if you could give me your Permanent Holoform Modulator so I can make use of the fact of you not possessing it

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 12:39:51 am

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 12:18:44 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2023, 11:42:14 pm

I'd like to hear some claims before I present my findings.

Sure.

You've been running the mother of all bluffs, because I know now that you are a Medium.

... which is a bit nightmarish, because NQT claimed Medium, and Knightwing flipped Medium.

This setup is hilarious and rotten.

I didn't bluff, dude. I actually breadcrumbed it from the beginning (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443046#msg8443046) (look up "The Medium is the Message") and told four different people. Just because you weren't in the know doesn't mean it was a secret.

I strongly suspect that most things come in threes, with one being evil. This does mean I think you are less likely to be scum, since we have already found the dopp investigator, unless someone else can counterclaim you.

Anyway, here are my findings, since you went and outed me:
Vector sang like a bird of paradise in Hell, expressing absolute confidence that I was really webadict:

Quote from: Vector (dead)

That’s almost certainly Webadict
Hi Webby. Do I get my present now
Web asked us to figure out who he was and told us we would get a present if we figured it out. Why shouldn’t I get the present :V

Sorry, Vector, you don't get a wish. Anyway, this satisfies me that webadict isn't scum and that scum had no idea I was a medium, which clears webadict, ToonyMan, and Jim Groovester, all of whom I told days ago. (The fourth I mentioned above was Knightwing, who is not helpful at the moment due to being dead.)

Furthermore, notquitethere, who notably did NOT know I was the other medium even though I could tell it was him from the first line, had this to say:

Quote from: notquitethere

Hey V what should I tell town?

Which sounds scumslippy to me, just saying. I certainly don't believe there are three town mediums, that's just kind of a dumb setup. Mediums aren't that good that you need three of them, it's fun to play go-between but doesn't really add that much to the game. Anyway, notquitethere again.

That leaves the rest of my POE as Fallacy, Jack, and hector. Out of these guys I pretty much think it's hector now, but whatever, we can worry about that tomorrow. Of course, if someone can claim to have roleblocked or protected a target, that would help an awful lot!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 12:55:19 am

NQT

What makes you think it’s me brah?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 12:58:33 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 12:55:19 am

NQT

What makes you think it’s me brah?

You seem most competent of the three. :P

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 01:02:37 am

I am... so confused.

so, so confused.

I see your point about three town mediums being very very silly, but then again, having three mediums in general is very very silly.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 12:39:51 am

Vector sang like a bird of paradise in Hell, expressing absolute confidence that I was really webadict:

Quote from: Vector (dead)

That’s almost certainly Webadict
Hi Webby. Do I get my present now
Web asked us to figure out who he was and told us we would get a present if we figured it out. Why shouldn’t I get the present :V

Sorry, Vector, you don't get a wish. Anyway, this satisfies me that webadict isn't scum and that scum had no idea I was a medium, which clears webadict, ToonyMan, and Jim Groovester, all of whom I told days ago. (The fourth I mentioned above was Knightwing, who is not helpful at the moment due to being dead.)

Furthermore, notquitethere, who notably did NOT know I was the other medium even though I could tell it was him from the first line, had this to say:

Quote from: notquitethere

Hey V what should I tell town?

Which sounds scumslippy to me, just saying. I certainly don't believe there are three town mediums, that's just kind of a dumb setup. Mediums aren't that good that you need three of them, it's fun to play go-between but doesn't really add that much to the game. Anyway, notquitethere again.

That leaves the rest of my POE as Fallacy, Jack, and hector. Out of these guys I pretty much think it's hector now, but whatever, we can worry about that tomorrow. Of course, if someone can claim to have roleblocked or protected a target, that would help an awful lot!

Okay look. The hivemind is at three members now. We're at two dopps, three hivemind members led by Jim, and three town. This is not a good situation. I do agree that NQT is probably scum, just by the three-mediums argument and his past, kinda sketchy, behavior.

But regardless, if we execute NQT now, the hivemind goes up to four members unless Jim gets unlucky and hits the last dopp, which I doubt. At that point, unless the last dopp kills Jim, we either have three hivemind two town one dopp, or four hivemind one town one dopp, and at that point everything is fucked.

Or the dopp's kill fails and we get to four hivemind two town one dopp, which is similarly unappealing.

I'm praying webadict isn't converted because we'll need his roleblock to shut down the scumkill once we execute Jim, causing his thralls to die, and go to three town two dopps heading into the night phase.

But the thing is, if we don't execute the hivemind leader right here, right now, we are just fucked.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 01:22:39 am

Man, just slow your roll. There is no evidence of any hivemind. And again, if there is a hivemind and it has successfully recruited twice, killing the hivemind likely ends the game unless we are lucky enough that scum fail to kill again. After all, we'd be going into the night with 2:3.

Sure, it's possible, and it's possible that a hivemind hasn't recruited twice so we're actually at 2:4:2 or even 2:5:1, but honestly... I just don't think there is one. It seems unbalanced for the very reason that, if the hivemind does recruit, it puts us in the position of choosing who to die to. There might well be a third party, but I doubt it's a recruiter with three scum and eleven starting players.

Anyway, it sounds like you are making excuses not to vote NQT.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 10, 2023, 01:56:51 am

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 12:37:55 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 10, 2023, 12:30:14 am

But I actually *moustache twirl* converted another player to my hivemind cult *moustache twirl* and waited for FoU to claim so that I could fakeclaim *moustache twirl*.

I would much greatly appreciate it if you could give me your Permanent Holoform Modulator so I can make use of the fact of you not possessing it

Sure, give me a second.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 10, 2023, 02:12:04 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 12:39:51 am

I didn't bluff, dude. I actually breadcrumbed it from the beginning (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443046#msg8443046) (look up "The Medium is the Message") and told four different people. Just because you weren't in the know doesn't mean it was a secret.

This is a very subtle and obscure breadcrumbing.

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 01:02:37 am

hivemindhivemindhivemind

I have a very hard time believing that you are being genuine about suspecting there's a hivemind.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 02:21:31 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 10, 2023, 02:12:04 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 12:39:51 am

I didn't bluff, dude. I actually breadcrumbed it from the beginning (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180996.msg8443046#msg8443046) (look up "The Medium is the Message") and told four different people. Just because you weren't in the know doesn't mean it was a secret.

This is a very subtle and obscure breadcrumbing.

Isn't that the point? And it worked, scum didn't get it.

Besides, I told you, what're you complaining about? :P

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 10, 2023, 02:28:24 am

I know, but after you told me you breadcrumbed being a medium I tried to find the post you did it in and still couldn't identify it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: notquitethere on January 10, 2023, 05:04:35 am

Pfp
Max is scum then.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: ToonyMan on January 10, 2023, 05:16:16 am

I am not dead.

I must confess then.

I have no results. I am a chef.

But I don't need role powers to know what happened here.

Web must have blocked NQT. NQT tried to kill so no kill happened. Jim confirms FoU did something else.

Third scum is FoU or Hector. I think it's FoU because of their insane hivemind conspiracy. Does it really matter? Web and Jim can lock the rest of the game by blocking one and tracking the other tonight.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: ToonyMan on January 10, 2023, 05:18:35 am

Web could have blocked Hector too I guess, that makes things even easier but makes me question FoU's sanity.

We'll know when they're here.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: notquitethere on January 10, 2023, 06:18:39 am

OK, on a computer now.

Max is talking out his ass. There is only one medium, and it is me. I don't know why he thought that'd be a good fake claim, but there we go. I'm guessing he's in cahoots with Fallacy who wants to back up his claim here.

Also, I breadcrumbed the role in my first post...

Quote from: notquitethere on January 05, 2023, 08:47:37 am

Firstly, I'm definitely excited and delighted to play Paranormal again.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: ToonyMan on January 10, 2023, 08:26:18 am

It was me. I was the fourth medium.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: EuchreJack on January 10, 2023, 10:45:01 am

Since we have no hammers, I guess no harm in voting NQT.

Ordinarily, I'd prefer to here from Web first. His silence is...eerie.

@NQT: You never got any info from Tric or Knightwing. Either could have told you something to bolster your claim.

@Max: Could you ask Tric and/or Knightwing what I PM'd them? I communicated with them both, so they should be able to say something to help you confirm.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: EuchreJack on January 10, 2023, 10:47:29 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 12:55:19 am

NQT

What makes you think it’s me brah?

No claim?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: notquitethere on January 10, 2023, 10:48:45 am

What the hell are you talking about, EJ? I quoted both. KW knew nothing and so had nothing productive to say. Tric says Web encouraged him to protect Toony in exchange for gifts.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: EuchreJack on January 10, 2023, 10:51:04 am

Quote from: notquitethere on January 10, 2023, 10:48:45 am

What the hell are you talking about, EJ? I quoted both. KW knew nothing and so had nothing productive to say. Tric says Web encouraged him to protect Toony in exchange for gifts.

Aren't you able to communicate with them?  Like, you know, ask them questions and stuff?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: notquitethere on January 10, 2023, 11:02:59 am

Of course!

Tric just said this:

Quote

NQT, quote this in thread: DII IT: JSS WEB

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: webadict on January 10, 2023, 11:19:38 am

Quote from: notquitethere on January 10, 2023, 10:48:45 am

What the hell are you talking about, EJ? I quoted both. KW knew nothing and so had nothing productive to say. Tric says Web encouraged him to protect Toony in exchange for gifts.

I did not.  I told TricMagic that Toony was probably an investigative roles based on a variety of tells, and that I was preeeetty sure Toony was Town.  I also said that Jim was also a viable target if he didn't fully trust Toony, but that Toony was almost positively the Town Agent.  I gave no incentive to trust me nor to listen to me, and told TricMagic that EuchreJack was definitely Town and that you only listen to me if you think I am Town.

He did listen.  I told you that listening to me is great.

The issue, NQT, is that Max is correct.  EuchreJack was ALSO TOLD that Max was a Medium, by me.

So that actually clears 5 people.  FoU has no reason to investigate Max here unless he's looking for aliens.  And if he's looking for Aliens, he's not scumhunting.

Targeting hector would've made sense.  Targeting NQT would've made sense.

The problem here is that FoU is a killer.  The other issue is that NQT is also a killer.  What do?  Who do we vote here?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: webadict on January 10, 2023, 11:23:44 am

I'll follow Max.  NQT.

But, Max, I told Euchre you were Mediim on N1, so that should clear him of scum.

And hector is almost positively Town for a great reason.  Hector, would you like to explain?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 11:27:51 am

I’m the warden.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: webadict on January 10, 2023, 11:29:55 am

And there we go.

High five, hector, thanks for playing along.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 11:32:35 am

Well done for figuring it out, and thank you for the fake claim.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: notquitethere on January 10, 2023, 11:35:24 am

It's like that huh.

(https://i.imgur.com/gMHXnAy.png)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: ToonyMan on January 10, 2023, 11:38:43 am

*applause*

*everyone bows*

*curtain falls*

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: webadict on January 10, 2023, 11:40:17 am

My whole job this game was cover.

For 100% clarity, I am a Cutting Edge Scientist.

Maximum Spin can verify this because he has my Body Double.  Or perhaps ToonyMan has it now?  I can't be sure because I gave it to Max in a really hilarious gambit on Day 1.  I would not have been able to do that with PMs.  Broken.

I was contemplating giving it to TricMagic but I wanted to have a backup protection on Max since he was a Medium.  I actually wasn't sure hector was a Warden or FoU was fakeclaiming, so I claimed it just in case, and hector not claiming verified it was true.

Thus, I covered both options:  Jim tracked FoU, hector blocked NQT.

This game was a spider web, and PMs are broken.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: ToonyMan on January 10, 2023, 11:42:59 am

I pretended like I was an Agent on D1 to see if Webadict would notice, and he did.

I didn't actually fully trust Web until after N1.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 11:44:14 am

My thoughts on the fakeclaim are you were either scum trying to make me counter, or town trying to protect me.

Either way it made sense not to claim at that point, and see what you did today.

I was also hoping nobody would say “well why doesn’t webadict just block you?” ‘cause that would’ve been awkward.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: webadict on January 10, 2023, 11:45:39 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 10, 2023, 11:42:59 am

I pretended like I was an Agent on D1 to see if Webadict would notice, and he did.

I didn't actually fully trust Web until after N1.

Ah, are you an Alien?  That would also make sense.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: webadict on January 10, 2023, 11:47:45 am

Quote from: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 11:44:14 am

My thoughts on the fakeclaim are you were either scum trying to make me counter, or town trying to protect me.

Either way it made sense not to claim at that point, and see what you did today.

I was also hoping nobody would say “well why doesn’t webadict just block you?” ‘cause that would’ve been awkward.

You giving who I should block was a good idea, though!  If I'm making you counter me, I'm forced to disagree, and if I'm protecting, I can just agree.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: ToonyMan on January 10, 2023, 11:49:46 am

I will say I'm embarrassed about my N1 action but I only did it as a backup in case I was reading the room wrong.

I'm a Heroic Guard, so like Tric but worse.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: webadict on January 10, 2023, 11:56:40 am

That's okay, I was really gambity on Day 1 by giving Max my Body Double, and I was ready to be murdered for funsies if he was scum!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: webadict on January 10, 2023, 11:59:53 am

Anyway, Shorten

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: ToonyMan on January 10, 2023, 12:02:56 pm

NQT Shorten

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 10, 2023, 12:12:37 pm

notquitethere.

Shorten.

Man I'm dumb. I had forgotten that I already knew webadict's claim and believed him when he fakeclaimed psychic warden.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 12:15:09 pm

Shorten

I will agree with PMs being broken, ‘cause D1 Max PM’d me web did something that would be mad even as a scum gambit, which helped me clear both of them.

It also made me think the scum team might be Max/web/Jim N1, but that was just ultra paranoia…

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 01:18:41 pm

As much a I’m convinced we’re just handing Jim a hivemind victory, there’s at least a chance that I’ve misread the situation, and NQT is almost certainly a dopp. I can’t argue with this execution.

notquitethere.

Shorten.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 01:24:55 pm

Apparently Tric wants me to say "DII IT: JSS WEB". I don't know why. Now reading the thread.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Mephansteras on January 10, 2023, 01:32:49 pm

The Whiteboard
notquitethere: 7: EuchreJack, FallacyofUrist, hector13, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, ToonyMan, webadict
Maximum Spin: 1: notquitethere

Shorten: 4: FallacyofUrist, Jim Groovester, ToonyMan, webadict

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Thursday. 5 Votes needed to Shorten the day.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 01:36:53 pm

Shorten.

I see notquitethere stole the prompt, lol. Tric actually wrote "Max" instead of "NQT", but I don't know why he thought NQT somehow wouldn't see it.

Well, everything web said there is true. I suspected you'd tell Jack too, or at least I was hoping you did.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 01:53:07 pm

Quote from: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 12:15:09 pm

I will agree with PMs being broken, ‘cause D1 Max PM’d me web did something that would be mad even as a scum gambit, which helped me clear both of them.

(Yeah, as you can now see, it was "just handing me a bulletproof, completely unsolicited".)

So the last thing I want to know is, what's Jack's real role?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 01:57:47 pm

Okay, apparently I'm triple-posting and almost quadruple-posting now, because Tric says "Jester Swing Jack" is apparently his code-word for web. Like, I think it goes without saying that I'm the medium by now, but... he asked, so I'll do it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: webadict on January 10, 2023, 02:01:23 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 01:57:47 pm

Okay, apparently I'm triple-posting and almost quadruple-posting now, because Tric says "Jester Swing Jack" is apparently his code-word for web. Like, I think it goes without saying that I'm the medium by now, but... he asked, so I'll do it.

True.  Confirm.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 3 brings some hope
Post by: Mephansteras on January 10, 2023, 02:08:48 pm

The Whiteboard
notquitethere: 8: EuchreJack, FallacyofUrist, hector13, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, ToonyMan, webadict
Maximum Spin: 1: notquitethere

Shorten: 5: FallacyofUrist, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, ToonyMan, webadict


  Notquitethere smiles a bit, and then begins to change. His facial features vanish, except for his mouth, which grows longer and sprouts large sharp teeth.

  "Fine. But I'm taking Max with me!" He growls. He rises to his full, now taller, height. And with a deliberately slow step he moves towards Maximum Spin.

  The shot is, as always, deafening. But FallacyofUrist's aim is true, and the doppelganger collapses to the ground with a gaping gunshot wound to the head.

  There is a long silence as everyone waits to see if the creature is dead. And to get their hearing back. Someone may have said something, you're not sure. You couldn't hear.

  Eventually satisfied that the creature is actually dead, you drag it out to the barren land surrounding the Outpost and bury it. And stick a big rock on it. You don't want it coming back somehow.

  After you check out notquitethere's quarters. It's a bit hard to remember that until recently he was just your coworker, and not actually a monster in disguise. In any case, you find a few books on spiritualism and contacting the dead. Looks like he was a Medium after all.

  Two down, one to go.

  And a long night ahead of you.

---

Night has fallen. Send in your actions!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: Mephansteras on January 10, 2023, 07:40:36 pm

  Another day, another meeting in the mess hall. Another day drinking black swill that might be an insult to things that are an insult to coffee.

  But, everyone is accounted for this morning. You can only hope that means something good.

  Time to grab another bland pastry and get to voting.

---

Day will go until ~5pm Pacific Friday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 07:55:24 pm

I performed no action (but got roleblocked by the psychic warden anyways). I can't say I blame you.

I think we have an approximate consensus on who the last dopp is, do we not? I'm ready to vote.

And possibly give the hivemind their victory, but alas, what can I do. I'm just a simple Detective.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 08:05:45 pm

What can I do against the great Jim Groovester's Jimbot army?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 08:18:51 pm

FallacyofUrist unless someone convinces me otherwise real quick.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 08:24:12 pm

FoU

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 08:29:12 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 08:05:45 pm

What can I do against the great Jim Groovester's Jimbot army?

Resistance is futile.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: ToonyMan on January 10, 2023, 08:38:48 pm

All hail the Jimhive

All hail

All hail the Jimhive

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 10, 2023, 08:40:44 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 08:05:45 pm

What can I do against the great Jim Groovester's Jimbot army?

Kneel.

FallacyofUrist.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: webadict on January 10, 2023, 09:40:46 pm

FoU

Shorten

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: hector13 on January 10, 2023, 10:04:58 pm

Shorten

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 10, 2023, 10:13:37 pm

Shorten.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2023, 11:17:30 pm

Shorten.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2023, 11:25:56 pm

Yeah, thought so.

Jim Groovester.

Shorten.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: webadict on January 11, 2023, 12:08:09 am

Why were the dopps so underpowered?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 11, 2023, 12:28:34 am

Quote from: webadict on January 11, 2023, 12:08:09 am

Why were the dopps so underpowered?

Yeah, we were severely underpowered both roles-wise and team-wise.

Game is probably over now, unless third-parties muck it up, but even then I still think it's over.

I'll wait for further comments until game end is processed officially.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: hector13 on January 11, 2023, 01:33:42 am

I think that’s web’s point, y’all got two investigative roles and a medium. There is the possibility that, while your ramblings were intended to distract from your team’s impending demise, you may have been correct that there is another danger lurking for town.

If it’s a Hivemind the town has already lost, and I think we would have noticed abductions by this points, so the only other (hostile) options are a ballsy Exterminator not killing, or a Spore Spreader.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: Mephansteras on January 11, 2023, 01:39:34 am

The Whiteboard
FallacyofUrist: 4: hector13, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, webadict
Jim Groovester: 1: FallacyofUrist

Shorten: 5: FallacyofUrist, hector13, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, webadict


  FallacyofUrist simply stands up and looks around. "Fine. You do not want me here, so I shall leave. Maybe you'll be safer with me gone, but maybe not. Whatever your fate, I shall be rid of you."

  He nearly reaches the door when the bullet hits him. He slumps against the door frame, and several more bullets splatter the door with a deep red.

  "Nah." Webadict says, holding the pistol. "We're not falling for that."

  It's...over?

  Huh.

  Well, now you need to worry about something worse. What's the Corp going to do when they find out a Comms Unit worth almost as much as the rest of the Colony combined got trashed?

---

Game over!

Not the most exciting game ever, I'm afraid. Our poor dopps had a few issues that hampered them. And I think I'll need to get rid of PMs in Paranormals. It wasn't bad back when we had larger games with more 3rd parties, but with the numbers we get these days I think it's just too much of a town advantage.

I also caused myself a bit of grief by selecting a set-up with 3 Mediums before thinking through how on earth that was going to work with Discord. The bot that I made worked reasonably well, but caused some confusion and made the Dopps game a bit harder than it should have.

Power-wise, I don't think it was too unbalanced. Town had two fairly weak investigative powers (Intelligence scientist and Observant Guard), an Enchanter and a Psychic Warden who could cause as much harm as help, and a bit of a wild card with the Cutting Edge Scientist. Heroic Guard is the weakest of them without any additional killers around, and the Mediums can be helpful but how much they help depends on who dies with what knowledge.

Dopps had a fairly powerful set up, really. Detective is a great scum role, Agent allows for a good fake-claim, and the Medium means they're not necessarily out of the loop with what town learns from the dead.

All in all, a relatively low-power setup for a Paranormal overall.

Role PMs and Night actions in the next post.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: Mephansteras on January 11, 2023, 01:42:49 am

Spoiler: Role PMs (click to show/hide)

-- Doppelgangers --

You awoke to silence and stale air. Stockpiles of inedible things surrounded you. The air was acrid and dry. But on it you smelled…food. The hunger welled up. A shared experience, overpowering and primal.

A trio of workers found and devoured. Memories merging with your own. Knowledge flooding your minds. Yes. The inedible things, machine parts and supplies for drones. An outpost. Small, quiet, isolated. A perfect spawning ground from which you can grow and learn before heading out into the wider universe.

You are doppelgangers, and have taken on the forms of those you ate. Now you need to rid this outpost of the humans who live here. They will kill you if you do not. Each night you may choose one among you to go out and perform a Night Kill to satiate your bloodlust and hunger.

FallacyofUrist (Doppelganger)
    You consumed a highly intelligent individual who had training as a Detective. A very useful skill, it allows you to go out at night and Investigate another player to see what Role they possess.

Vector (Doppelganger)
    The human you consumed was actually an undercover Agent here on suspicions of hostile alien activity. How right they were! But not prepared for you, it seems. In any case, each night you can go out and Investigate another player to see what Race they are.

notquitethere (Doppelganger)
    An unusual individual, the one you consumed was a Medium, able to speak through the ether to the border of life and death and commune with those who have not yet crossed over. (You will be given access to the deadchat Discord channel, as well as a discord bot that will allow you to post anonymously in the deadchat)

The three of you also have the ability to communicate telepathically, and will be given a private discord channel to communicate with each other away from the prying eyes of the humans.

-------------------------------------

EuchreJack (Human)
  While your day job involves some basic drone technical work, you have a secret up your sleeve. You’re naturally gifted with the psychic abilities of an Enchanter, which allows you to influence others at a subconscious level. Your vote counts double during the final count.

--

Jim Groovester (Human)
  The loss of the Comms tower hit you hard. As an Intelligence Scientist tech like that is your bread and butter, someone just dropped yours on the floor butter side down. You don’t have the gear here to fix it, but you can at least rig up some stuff to help find the doppelgangers. Choose one of the Intelligence techs to start the game with, or you can choose to have a Mind Shield or Anti-Tech field instead.

Please make your choice before the end of Day 1.

  Despite your brilliance, however, you’re also known to be a bit of a Kook, and are likely to be mistaken for a Doppelganger if anyone attempts to inspect your Race.

--

Knightwing64 (Human)
  While your regular duties as a geologist won’t help you too much with doppelgangers, you do have a secret that might. You are also a Medium, able to speak through the ether to the border of life and death and commune with those who have not yet crossed over.

(You will be given access to the deadchat Discord channel, as well as a discord bot that will allow you to post anonymously in the deadchat)

--

Maximum Spin (Human)
    While your regular duties as a drone operator won’t help you too much with doppelgangers, you do have a secret that might. You are also a Medium, able to speak through the ether to the border of life and death and commune with those who have not yet crossed over.

(You will be given access to the deadchat Discord channel, as well as a discord bot that will allow you to post anonymously in the deadchat)

--

ToonyMan (Human)
  While you may just be a lowly cook, you aren’t going to just sit here and let your friends get killed by monsters. You’ve decided to do whatever it takes to be a Heroic Guard.

  Each night you can choose to Protect another player and save them from harm even if it costs you your own life.

--

TricMagic (Human)
  You do many duties around the outpost, but security is one of them. And, trained to be an Observant Guard in case of trouble, you’ll do what you need to in order to protect the people here from these monsters.

  Each night you can choose to Protect another player and try to stop them from dying. In the process, though you yourself may die, you will be able to tell your target who was trying to kill them.

--

hector13 (Human)
  Normally, being quartermaster of an outpost like this is an exercise in dull tedium. Which, to be honest, is part of why you signed up here. Gave you more time and the peace and quiet to focus on developing your powers as a Psychic Warden. These powers will allow you to Block another player from performing any role actions that night or the following day.

  As a psychic ability, you do not need to leave your room to do so.

--

webadict (Human)
  It was a brilliant plan, really. Sign up for some remote outpost chock full of high tech parts and open space that no one cares about. Perfect for a Cutting Edge Scientist like yourself to work on projects that might not be sanctioned by some of the more stuffed up governments in the sector.
  At the start of the game you may choose one tech from the Cutting Edge tech list, or take a Mind Shield or Anti-Tech Field instead.

  Please make your selection before the end of the first day.

Spoiler: Night 1 (click to show/hide)

FallacyofUrist    Doppelganger    Detective       Alive          Investigate Maximum Spin    Blocked
  You prepare yourself for a night of sleuthing, gathering up appropriate clothing and some gadgets that will help you discover what Maximum Spin really is.
  However, as you pull on a pair of dark gloves you feel something wrap around your body. Alarmed you try to fight back, but the sensation only increases. You feel yourself growing weaker, tired. Like whatever is binding you is drawing out your energy.
  You collapse against your bunk and your last thoughts as you fade to darkness are fury and panic.

  You awaken the next morning, sore and head pounding, but otherwise unharmed. But also none the wiser on Maximum Spin’s true skill set.

--

hector13    Human    Psychic Warden       Alive          Block Fallacy of Urist    Block
  You clear off your table, and begin your preparations  for the Ritual of Binding. You set out a dark blue candle, and light it. Not a large one, which would have been preferable, but personal space on shuttles out to outposts like this is precious and you took what you could. Next you pull out the silver chain that you wear around your neck.

  It was your grandfather’s. He was the one who taught you about your powers, and how to use them. He’d learned himself, back during the days of the Persean Strikes. Never thought you’d really need them, but here you are.

  You settle your mind and focus on the flame. It fills your vision, and you feel yourself drifting up to etheric space beyond reality. There you see the lights that represent the minds  of those around you. You concentrate on FallacyofUrist, and draw near his light. You pull forth the psychic chain, larger and stronger here than in real space, and begin to wrap it around him. You chant the words of the ritual, and you can see the energy being drawn from them.

  After a bit, the light dims, and you know they will not have enough energy to do anything to anyone tonight.

  You come back to yourself, blowing out the candle so as not to waste any of it, and sitting back. You can only hope that you are correct, and that you have blocked one of the monsters. But, time will tell. For now, you settle in for a good night’s rest. You’ll need your wits about you tomorrow, you are certain.


--

Jim Groovester    Human    Intelligence Scientist/Kook       Alive    Snooper bot       Trail FallacyOfUrist    Goes nowhere
  You program in some basic guidelines to the Snooper Bot and send it off to go keep an eye on FallacyOfUrist for the night. If they go anywhere, you’ll be able to figure out where. Not much else to do with that for now, so you tinker a bit on some other projects you’ve got in mind.

  When you wake up the next day the bot has returned, and you can check its path on your computer. Seems like Fallacy didn’t go anywhere last night. Not a smoking gun, then, but hopefully the information will prove useful.

--

ToonyMan    Human    Heroic Guard       Alive          Protect Notquitethere    Protects, protected (from Vector)
  You finish up your duties in the kitchen and head off, taking along a nice long knife with you. It’s not much, but you’ve never heard of doppelgangers being immune to stabbing so…hopefully it’ll do.

  After a short walk you find yourself near Notquitethere’s house and find a good spot to sit and watch it, hopefully where you can yourself remain unseen.

  The night drags on, and nothing happens. Seems like they are safe for now, so you eventually decide to return home.

  As you stand in your doorway, looking forward to some well earned rest, you get grabbed and shoved aside just a large clawed hand scrapes along the side of the doorframe. You backpedal as the smooth face of a Doppelganger looms out of the dim light in front you. You glance to the side at your savior. TricMagic is next to you and holding a stun baton. “It’s Vector, and they’re after you! Go! I’ll hold them off!”

  You hesitate for a second, but he’s right. If you can get to safety with this information, you warn the others. You dodge to the side and take a swipe with your knife to get the monster to fall back so you can duck inside. Once there you lock the door and than barricade the hab as best you can.

  You hear the sounds of a scuffle from outside, a grunt of pain, and a thud. Then the long, slowly fading sound of something scraping on the dust.

  You do not, it turns out, get a lot of sleep that night. But nothing tries to break in, and when the alarm goes off you know that you’ve at least survived one night.

  Now to warn the others. And, perhaps, learn what happened to Tric.


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TricMagic    Human    Observant Guard       Alive          Protect Toonyman    Dies, alerts Toony

  You’ve decided that ToonyMan needs to survive this night, so you gear yourself up and head over to his part of the habs. There isn’t much in the way of real weapons here, no need on such a desolate rock, but you do have a stun baton that might help against the dopps.

  You find a good spot near his room to do a stakeout and settle in for a bit.

  After some time you hear a noise and see a figure moving through the alleyway. You move around and peer through some gaps in the ventilation pipes, you can’t see much, a smooth head devoid of hair…and, there! No one but Vector wears a coat like that! Then, that means, Vector is a dopp!

  Another noise, and you turn around to catch sight of Toonyman standing just outside his doorway. He probably heard the noise too, but Vector is coming right at him! You dash forward and grab his arm, jerking him to the side just as a clawed hand slashed furrows in his doorway.

  “It’s Vector, and they’re after you! Go! I’ll hold them off!” you shout at him. He hesitates for a second before nodding. You circle around to one side, brandishing your weapon at the monster as Toonyman makes a dash for his room. The creature snarls in anger as the door slams shut, and then turns to you.

  You step forward, jabbing out with the stun rod. But the doppelganger is quick. Too quick. It sidesteps and grabs your arm. You are pulled forward and feel a sick slicing feeling deep in your stomach. The creature grins a horrible grin as a mouth full of too many sharp teeth opens before you. Your body goes into shock, and the last thing you see is another clawed hand coming towards you.

You have died. Your soul will be transferred to the limbo between realms for a short while. While there you may converse with any of those who have also died.

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Vector    Doppelganger    Agent       Alive          Kill Toonyman    Target Protected, Kills TricMagic
  You and your kin have conversed. A decision was made. You will perform the hunt this night. Toonyman shall be your prey.

  You wait for a bit, until the sounds of people moving about and getting ready for sleep have died down. Then you head towards Toony’s room.

  There are tremors. You sense the heat from his body. The blood calls to you. He is there, just outside his house! Perfect.

  You leap forward, claws slashing. But he is not there.

  Another is here! They have pulled him from harm!

  You hear a voice shout. “It’s Vector, and they’re after you! Go! I’ll hold them off!”. Tricmagic. But how?

  No matter. One of them shall be your meal tonight. It matters little which, you suppose. But Tric is armed with a stun rod. You’ll need to be careful.

  You take another slash at Toonyman, but a stab from Tric forces you back just far enough that Toony is able to dash into his house and slam the door. You growl in frustration. This could be an issue.

  But, first thing’s first. There is prey in front of you.

  Tric stabs out again, electricity crackling at the tip of the rod. But you are faster than him. Much, much faster. You easily sidestep the weapon and grab his arm, pulling the human towards you and right into your waiting claws. They sink with a satisfying wetness into the depths of his stomach. The bloodlust grows stronger as the smell of blood surrounds you. Another slash of claws, this time to the neck, and your quarry is dead.

  You waste little time dragging the body off to your kindred to feed.

Spoiler: Night 2 (click to show/hide)

FallacyofUrist    Doppelganger    Detective       Alive          Investigate Maximum Spin    Medium
  You prepare to head out again. This time to see what Maximum Spin really is under the bluster and stories.
  Last night…did not go well for you. But this time you seem to be unimpeded.

  You head off. Using a few well placed gadgets and some detailed knowledge of the layout of every building in the colony you are able to covertly survey him throughout the night.

  After a while, you determine that he is in fact a Medium, able to converse with the dead.

  Interesting. You head home to get some rest and ponder the implications of this new knowledge.

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hector13    Human    Psychic Warden       Alive          Block notquitethere    Blocks
  Another night, alive. And with a bit more hope, the colony being down one bloodthirstly monster.

  But you can not let up. Your actions could very well save lives this night. And so you prepare again for the ritual.

  The candle is lit, the chain slides between your fingers, and the light fills your vision. Soon, you float in the etheric space, and draw yourself to the mind of notquitethere.

  The words are spoken, the chain cast out. You see them wrap out his etheric form, and the light slowly dims. Soon, you are confident that the Ritual was a success, and you break from your trance.

  You are tired. The Ritual takes a toll, especially when done on successive nights. Well, nothing a snack won’t fix. And you even have a few packets of that stuff that’s supposed to taste something like chocolate!

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Jim Groovester    Human    Intelligence Scientist/Kook       Alive    Snooper bot       Trail FallacyofUrist    Goes to Maximum Spin's house

  Well, you didn’t get much of note last night. Let’s see how well tracking FallacyofUrist does tonight. Maybe you can catch him in action!

  Sending the bot off takes even less time, since you don’t need to reconfigure it, and you get in some light reading on Ansible Communications Arrays before heading off to bed.

  The next morning you check the readings, and there is a lot more to look at this time! After a bit of cross-referencing, you deduce that he visited Maximum Spin’s house last night. Interesting. Very interesting indeed.


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notquitethere    Doppelganger    Medium       Alive          Kill ToonyMan    Blocked

  You pace back and forth in your room, amping yourself up for the hunt. Things have not gone well. One of your kin is dead. You must hunt, kill, remove the threats. It is the only way to survive.

  But, as you pace you suddenly feel a pressure wrap around you. It tightens, resisting your struggles to throw it off. As you fight, you feel weaker and weaker, as if whatever is binding you is also draining your energy. Your last thought as everything goes dark is a curse against these humans.

  You awaken in the morning, unhurt but sore and still a bit tired. No time to do the hunt, though. You’ll have to pretend to be human on an empty stomach. It’s the worst, really.
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ToonyMan    Human    Heroic Guard       Alive          Protect Jim Groovester    Protects, Nothing happens

  You have to psyche yourself up a bit to go out again tonight. The monsters might target you again, after all and…well, you don’t know that your knife is going to do much better than TricMagic’s stun baton.

  But what does it matter? If you’re going to go down, better to go down protecting someone else than shivering in fear in your room. Or waking up to that maw of teeth looming over you in the dark…

  You shudder at the thought, and then head out towards Jim Groovester’s house. You keep the knife firmly in hand.

  After hours of quiet, though, you eventually determine that nothing is coming for him. Your walk home is nerve-wracking, but the streets stay quiet.

  You barricade your door and settle in for what sleep you can still get.

Spoiler: Night 3 (click to show/hide)

FallacyofUrist    Doppelganger    Detective       Alive          None    Blocked
  The loss of the others is too much. Survival seems unlikely. So you grasp at the one straw available. You do nothing.

  For a bit, it is just you in your room with your thoughts. But then you feel that binding around you, tightening against you. You don’t fight it this time. Why bother? You just lie back on your pillow and allow your mind to fade to unconsciousness.

  When you awaken you are far less sore than last time, and the headache is a quiet echo of what you had the first morning.

  Perhaps, regardless of how this all turns out, you made the right decision after all.


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hector13    Human    Psychic Warden       Alive          Block FallacyofUrist    Blocks

  Another round with the ritual. You’re not really looking forward to it this time. But, maybe, maybe it’ll be the last time you need. You can hope, anyway.

  You light the candle and begin the Ritual. Fewer lights in the etheric landscape now, and that much easier to pinpoint FallacyofUrist’s mind. You speak the words, and bind the chain around them.

  Soon their energy fades, and you are confident that they will go nowhere.

  You end the Ritual and sit back with a sigh. You feel like you’ve been running marathons this week. Time for some well earned rest.

  Time will tell if you’ve made the right choice this night.

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Jim Groovester    Human    Intelligence Scientist/Kook       Alive    Snooper bot       Trail FallacyofUrist    Goes nowhere

  For the third night in a row you send your little bot off to scope out FallacyofUrist and follow him. It doesn’t take much time, which suits you fine since you really want to get back to your book.

  The next morning you see that Fallacy never left their room. Interesting. You’ll have to see what everyone else has to say once you get to the mess hall.

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ToonyMan    Human    Heroic Guard       Alive          Protect Hector    Protects, Nothing happens

  Out again. You’re still wary, of course. But things have been going well. Two monsters down. It’s starting to look like you all might get out of this with your lives after all.

  It doesn’t take long to get to Hector’s, and you soon find yourself a relatively comfortable spot to sit and watch the area for signs of trouble.

  But, like last night, nothing happens. You eventually head off to bed. Maybe there will be good news tomorrow?

  You can hope. But you still barricade the door just in case.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 11, 2023, 01:54:41 am

I don’t actually think our setup was that powerful. All we had was investigation against two protects, two scientists, and a roleblocker.

We needed at least one interference role to match up evenly.

I think the mistake here was optimism? Basically the idea that the players will play their roles as best possible, or that things will go as well as possible for both sides.

But they didn’t. Everything about that setup was stacked against us.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: Mephansteras on January 11, 2023, 02:01:15 am

I think PMs did far more than any role power to cause you issues, really. You and NQT were being sussed out as dopps without any roles giving information on you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: hector13 on January 11, 2023, 02:04:12 am

To be fair you got very unlucky to have all of you among the pool of suspects on D1, then get outed on N1, and then be in a situation you had no way out of D2.

It was like webadict’s last game except the scum didn’t accidentally on purpose kill themselves.

PMs were bad for scum though. You were assuredly my #1 scum pick, but if Max hadn’t PM’d me I’d have had a tougher time on D2, having something like 5 null reads to sort through, as opposed to the three I had left afterward.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2023, 02:05:08 am

The power setup was pretty weak for mafia, but honestly, this game was lost in the daytime. And a little bit in the deadtime. It was like web's Supernatural, but with the scumteam getting tunnelled from the word go even harder.

PMs absolutely destroyed it, of course. The scumteam getting tunnelled from the word go is bad enough, but the strongest town players then using that to form a clique mutually confirming each other... it just became a massacre. I honestly think town could have lynched correctly every day if EuchreJack had kept his head at the end of d1.

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Quote from: Mephansteras on January 11, 2023, 02:01:15 am

I think PMs did far more than any role power to cause you issues, really. You and NQT were being sussed out as dopps without any roles giving information on you.

Oh, this reminds me. I wanted to explain how I knew it was notquitethere in the deadchat:
You said "Hello KnightWing". Vector's said "KnightWing" a couple times, and hector once, but you're the only one who capitalizes it that way regularly.
Yes, I realize how cruel a thing to pick up on that was.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 11, 2023, 03:12:29 am

PMs are pretty good. I don't think scum wins with them removed from the game but they have a much better fighting chance.

The smart thing to do would be to remove the ability to PM from the game but at bare minimum they should be much more mechanically interesting than they are currently. It shouldn't just be free, unlimited private communication, there should be some limit or drawback or other mechanical dimension to their use. E.G., prohibit PMs except for a role that lets a player privately communicate with only one other player per phase, a role that passively snoops on other players' PMs, making it publicly visible which players are PMing each other, letting the dopps kill players that PM them at night as a free action, etc.

Also not too much of a fan of Observant Guard, but on thinking it through I don't think I'm a fan of the Vengeful Guard either. The secondary effects of the protection feel like they are more rewarding than they need to be. Even if they didn't stop the player they're protecting from dying, I think I would still consider them pretty good roles.

Also not much of a fan of slots under replacement being able to perform night actions, but the scum team probably needed it this game.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: webadict on January 11, 2023, 05:19:59 am

Okay, technically, they weren't that underpowered, assuming optimal play and perfect knowledge.  That wasn't the only factor in their loss, true, but...

But, I'll argue that they were underpowered anyway.  Agent might be a good fakeclaim, but without a bit more knowledge of the composition, it really doesn't really stack up all that well.  There was one person that could confirm Vector's action, so it would actually be a bit of a detriment, an unprovablility that makes them suspicious.  Three Mediums also did few favors for the Dopp team (there's always someone evil in 3s!)  Also, I am always wary of Role Cops, as they tend to be scum.

If I were to change this game, I would give the Town another confirmation tool by switching the Warden and the Investigator.  It gives the Dopps plausibility and confirmation.  Also, drop Dopp Medium as a possibility because it is bad for everyone involved (Town doesn't want a bad faith Medium, and Dopps want a real power.)  So, switch Medium to a Reporter or a Scientist (probably Cutting Edge, for the redirection beam, but another of the one that can't kill is good too.)  Also, probably no Enchanter, and give someone in the Town an anti Tech Shield.

Mutual confirmation would've given the Dopps a better fighting chance, that's for sure.

That's my two cents.  Good game,  Dopps.  You played well given the circumstances.

Also, wtf TricMagic, why did you play so well?!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: EuchreJack on January 11, 2023, 05:37:44 am

That was significantly more straightforward than I expected from the Paranormal game family.

I won, but I contributed less than nothing.  Eh, it happens sometimes.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: notquitethere on January 11, 2023, 05:56:37 am

Giving town a block, inspects, and multiple protects in such a small game without any counter-interference is a bit rough, it puts all the night momentum in town's hands. Also observant guard + two town mediums guarantees you clear a medium and kill a dopp in one move.

That all said, town played well, Toony especially managed to pick the entire scum team early on D1, mostly through POE and correctly reading people like KW as town. We had to fight hard to get that D1 mislynch and it was all downhill from there, especially when EJ created a thunderdome situation with the two fakeclaimed agents, and I misunderstood the medium bot and outed myself to Max without even realising there was a third medium.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: EuchreJack on January 11, 2023, 06:12:19 am

Having checked out the deadchat/medium bot, it was pretty cool, but hurt our mediums because those of us who didn't know about it thought it was a simple invite to deadchat.

I think the setup itself was too town-sided.  Mafia actually doesn't need any inspection roles, since they know who is not-mafia.  It was kind of a screwjob giving the mafia an inspect with no third parties.  Which is fine, except there wasn't anything powerful to balance it out.  Mafia, in my humble opinion, needed either a roleblock or a strongman.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: ToonyMan on January 11, 2023, 07:21:04 am

It would help if FoU and NQT weren't scum every game.

EDIT:

Spoiler: Some PMs (click to show/hide)

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 08:45:09 am

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 08:25:53 am

Quote from: webadict on January 06, 2023, 08:09:09 am

Yo Toony, are you an Agent?  I ask only because my research leads me to believe that you are some type of investigative role and intuition leads me to believe that is the most likely.  Regardless, if that's the case, you probably don't trust me, and if that's the case, I'm willing to share additional info if you want it, but that involves trusting me and my information network, so the choice is yours and yours alone!


MUAHAHAHAHAHA... oh, whoops, is this thing sti--*bzzt*

Wow you picked up on it, that's nice.

I was planning on PMing you and Jim today about what I planned on doing (which was actually to target you), but it turns out you're both claiming Kook. Isn't that quite a pickle?

'Tis, 'tis!  If you still wanted to target me, that would be fine with me, but my real goal was to warn you that I believe there is a Leader among the Dopps, but also that I have... arranged things so that you will be able to work unimpeded.  Regardless, I think hector13 or NQT are great targets, as well as me because I was, indeed, lying about being a Kook because it's a stupid Towntell that must die (fucking Max ruining my plans!)  I'm telling you because now you have no idea if this is a trap setup by Jim and I to catch you or not, but also, Jim doesn't really trust me, so that'd be a terrible plan.

Regardless, I am unwilling to put the entirety of my intel in you, but know that I have reason to believe that Max is Town.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 06:07:53 pm

Well, I'm picking you and Web as my two confidants for Day 1.

Web reached out to me earlier today and thinks I'm an Agent. I'm not going to say whether I am or not.

I trust you more than Web, and I'm pretty sure Web is lying about being a Kook while you are not. He may have even told me via PM that he is lying about being a Kook.

I don't plan on telling either of you who I'm targeting tonight, however if I am directly killed by dopps tonight then I would give some scum points to Webadict, though this doesn't guarantee he is scum. I actually feel like Web is probably town right now, but I think it's worth mentioning this precaution if I'm not around D2.

Web told me via PM that he is willing to believe you are town, and I feel that way as well so might at well hang out with the Kooks.

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 06, 2023, 07:14:25 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on January 06, 2023, 06:52:13 pm

Roger.

If you could track somebody on Night 1, who would you pick?

I don't know, Max? Webadict really thinks he's town.

Otherwise somewhere inside Hector/FoU/NQT.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:37:32 pm

Tric wants you to know that he says he's no hero, and you should thank webadict for telling him what to do.
He's confirmed your claim in the deadchat.
There is another living medium who is most likely notquitethere, based on speech patterns (we're all anonymous there). If it isn't notquitethere it's Vector.
I do not believe there are three town mediums.

Now you're up to speed. Hopefully you're not doing some kind of gambit where you fake-kill yourself to kill Tric, lol. You know, like... I did to you that time...

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:26:25 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 06:24:06 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 05:37:32 pm

I do not believe there are three town mediums.

It could happen, but I do think NQT is scum here. Otherwise it's you and Web so it works out either way.

I'm pretty proud of myself for getting it right, anyway.
I think the last is either hector or Fallacy and I haven't decided which yet.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:52:38 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 06:52:02 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2023, 06:39:28 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on January 08, 2023, 06:33:24 pm

I want to believe it's Fallacy, but that means Fallacy is some kind of dopp cop.

Personally I feel Hector it town, but I could easily be wrong about that.

Well, I don't really think you and web are wrong about Jack, and I don't think I'm wrong about web, so the other option is Jim.

I really don't think it's Jim or Jack.

Agreed.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Day 4
Post by: TricMagic on January 11, 2023, 10:20:57 am

Randomly ends overnight, gg. A more relaxed playstyle seems to suit me. I would be the type of executioner to not kill though.

Jim. Dragon.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Game Over, Town win
Post by: Mephansteras on January 11, 2023, 10:56:39 am

I'll have to think about some stuff. Most of the core rules for Paranormal came out when getting 14 players was easy, and we often had more. That made for more 3rd parties and generally more chaotic situations. It also made the death of any particular player generally less impactful. With only 11 players, things play out very differently.

If nothing else, the weights my script uses for roles should be adjusted for different sized games.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 27 - Game Over, Town win
Post by: webadict on January 11, 2023, 11:12:08 am

Quote from: Mephansteras on January 11, 2023, 10:56:39 am

I'll have to think about some stuff. Most of the core rules for Paranormal came out when getting 14 players was easy, and we often had more. That made for more 3rd parties and generally more chaotic situations. It also made the death of any particular player generally less impactful. With only 11 players, things play out very differently.

If nothing else, the weights my script uses for roles should be adjusted for different sized games.

Yeah.  For an 11p game, it wasn't super broken.  The scumteam got a really bad break, and I think the only way that gets fixed is with role power.  A different configuration may have helped, but, really, I think that giving the scumteam more active roles (or protective ones, like Leader) that help them might just be a preferred outcome, even if they are still underpowered.  The Town can always have less power, because fuck 'em.

Also, consider modifiers for the scumteam!