Post by: Darkwind3 on April 30, 2013, 06:27:46 pm
General Game Information
Name - Bay12GamesRound13
Hosting Schedule - 26 hours, increases by request
Age - see below
All game settings default, but renaming on.
Nation Selection - see below
Map - See Note 2.
Mods - Other Peoples' Mods + NationGen (see Note 2)
Victory Conditions - 50%+1 Capitals, or by agreement
Diplomacy - Machiavellian, i.e. anything goes (see "How does MP work?" for the details)
Player List
1. Darkwind3 - Ettles
2. Il Palazzo - Nefurt
3. Boksi - Maelmar
4. Karlito - Burburg
5. Bluerobin - Sardarm
6. Akhier the Dragon hearted - Udostria
Note: if you happen to find a nation you look better than the one you signed up for, you are welcome to post the new number and seed. However, your previous nation will be open - anyone else can claim it, if they care to.
Note 2: The map and mod used can be downloaded from this link right here (http://speedy.sh/UbsFV/Bay-12-Round-13-Files.zip).
IMPORTANT: We are using the 30th of August 2012 (http://koti.kapsi.fi/elmokki/dom3/unitgen/dev/unitgen_30_8_12.zip) version, linked right back there. The version number you ought to see is "Filter updates vol 1(30th of August 2012)".
This game will use NationGen to randomly generate new nations for each player to play as. every player must use a nation randomly created with NationGen - so nobody can play, say, Caelum. The Middle Era will be used, since that's the default with the mod so there's no need to fiddle with it. This means independents and initial gem income will be appropriate for the Middle Era, so keep that in mind.
How will nations be chosen?
Using the EXACT AND TOTALLY UNMODIFIED version of UnitGen linked above you may generate as many nations as you wish. Once you find a suitably batshit insanely overpowered nation you wish to play, open the .dm file. There along the first lines you should find something like
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-- Nation 72: Honmito generated with seed 472730085
Do also make sure there's a line exactly like:
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-- Generated with version Filter updates vol 1(30th of August 2012).
above the line you need to paste.Paste that to the thread. If you use a modified version of UnitGen chances are your seeds will generate different nations on my computer so don't. You should also probably tell some basic details about your nation so I can make sure the seed system (still) works correctly.
For example - I would post,
Quote from: myself
-- Nation 76: Ettles generated with seed 1165198899
Ettles is a nation of humans with Caelian sacreds and S/B recruit-everywhere mages.
If I, while compiling the mod, instead found this to be a nation of Vanir with crippled, fat hoburg sacreds, 600 gold temples and old W/A/N mages, I would know something was up (rather than wondering what the hell I was on when I decided to take it). I encourage you all to search for the craziest nation you can find, since ridiculous things are NationGen's bread and butter.
Previous rounds: 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=44348.msg849721#msg849721), 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=46012.msg908706#msg908706), 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60235.msg1357467#msg1357467), 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=63361.0), 5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65222.0), 6 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72919.msg1797235#msg1797235), 7&7.5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=103575.0), 8 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=112126.0), 9 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=115427.0), 10 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=118516.0), 11 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=120941.msg3905019), 12 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=124958.0)
Spoiler: Standard info on Dominions 3 for the uninitiated (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: How does MP work? (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Useful links (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: shamelessly spoilering attributions for space (click to show/hide)
( with his say so* )Post by: Karlito on April 30, 2013, 06:33:41 pm
Post by: moghopper on April 30, 2013, 06:36:54 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on April 30, 2013, 06:39:33 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on April 30, 2013, 06:43:42 pm
Hmmm... can I handle 3 games at once?Well, there's no rush to begin the game :P To be honest, I'm not sure there are enough players for four games at once, even if two are in the winding-down stage. I'd be glad to have you on board if you can find the time, though.
Sign me up. I'll send a nation tonight!Again, there's no need to rush! Take your time finding the perfect ethereal, awe +2, fear, defense-22 van recruit-everywhere sacreds with explosive spears. (Or don't do that because I'm pretty sure NationGen would never generate those unless they cost 200+ gold, and they would be capital-only anyways).
Post by: moghopper on April 30, 2013, 06:45:01 pm
Hmmm... can I handle 3 games at once?Well, there's no rush to begin the game :P To be honest, I'm not sure there are enough players for four games at once, even if two are in the winding-down stage. I'd be glad to have you on board if you can find the time, though.Sign me up. I'll send a nation tonight!Again, there's no need to rush! Take your time finding the perfect ethereal, awe +2, fear, defense-22 van recruit-everywhere sacreds with explosive spears. (Or don't do that because I'm pretty sure NationGen would never generate those unless they cost 200+ gold, and they would be capital-only anyways).
How about NO. I'll pick the dumbest/awesomest combo i can find!
Post by: Karlito on April 30, 2013, 07:09:51 pm
Again, there's no need to rush! Take your time finding the perfect ethereal, awe +2, fear, defense-22 van recruit-everywhere sacreds with explosive spears. (Or don't do that because I'm pretty sure NationGen would never generate those unless they cost 200+ gold, and they would be capital-only anyways).
I got recruit-everywhere, flying, sacred, berserker human heavy infantry with 14 magic resistance and a werewolf second form on my first nation. Oh and they somehow carry both a long spear (with halt sacred) and a shield.
Post by: moghopper on April 30, 2013, 07:24:16 pm
Again, there's no need to rush! Take your time finding the perfect ethereal, awe +2, fear, defense-22 van recruit-everywhere sacreds with explosive spears. (Or don't do that because I'm pretty sure NationGen would never generate those unless they cost 200+ gold, and they would be capital-only anyways).
I got recruit-everywhere, flying, sacred, berserker human heavy infantry with 14 magic resistance and a werewolf second form on my first nation. Oh and they somehow carry both a long spear (with halt sacred) and a shield.
I got wyvern riding cavelry in full plate, magic weapons and awe. This is nuts...
Post by: Darkwind3 on April 30, 2013, 07:29:50 pm
I got recruit-everywhere, flying, sacred, berserker human heavy infantry with 14 magic resistance and a werewolf second form on my first nation. Oh and they somehow carry both a long spear (with halt sacred) and a shield.
I got wyvern riding cavelry in full plate, magic weapons and awe. This is nuts...If you'll notice, my sacred Caelians are actually awe +1, ethereal heavy infantry (and obviously fly). They have a poisonous spear and punch things with their sacred fists. One of my first nations was actually defense-22, awe+0, ethereal sacred van horsemen with lances that exploded. Nuts is the name of the game. That's why nationgen is so much fun!
Don't forget to make sure your mages are half-decent! You don't want to have crazy sacreds but be stuck with crappy mages who can't do anything.
e: not that I expect anyone to be putting forth the effort to peek at others' nations until we're all done.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on April 30, 2013, 07:34:03 pm
Post by: Waterplouf on April 30, 2013, 09:36:42 pm
First nation was a bunch of fish throwing atlantaians :P .
Post by: Stworca on May 01, 2013, 12:10:12 am
Go sacred bear cataphract archers! (who also make blood sacrifices)
With this being said, if someone (cough Akhier, cough) wants to start Round 14 without Unitgen, I'm also (more) interested in that :O
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 01, 2013, 12:32:23 am
Also how does one use nationgen, I assume I am missing something obvious because everyone else seems to be able to use it just fine. Note my brain is somewhat deep fried from a ton of studying so keep it simple.
Post by: Karlito on May 01, 2013, 12:42:55 am
Generate a batch of nations.
Move them from the Unitgen Mod folder to your Dominions Mod folder.
Check the descriptions.txt file in the mod folder for nations that look interesting.
Start a new game with that nation and see what they got going on.
Post by: moghopper on May 01, 2013, 06:01:09 am
However, I am more than willing to start round 14 if anyone is interested.
Post by: ThtblovesDF on May 01, 2013, 06:06:39 am
Oh Dear Pretender Lord, Hoburg nation where every single unit has gluttony. Fat hobbitzes indeed.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Cacelum + Abysia = Devil with Awe/Poison/Heat
Lizards with Awe and Fear weapons...
Magic Starting Site "Passion House" - Gives fire gems
Vikings riding on Giant-Skeletons
Post by: Stworca on May 01, 2013, 06:34:00 am
..and 15 had flying awe sacreds with two handed greatswords of fire / poison / halting sacreds.
Then there was this one nation with poison magical longbows and 3+ strong access to five magic schools. Bear cavalry is fucking amazing, but Unitgen is just too crazy, i'm afraid. Thusly, i pass on such a round, and will wait for non-randomGen round.
Post by: ThtblovesDF on May 01, 2013, 06:41:22 am
Game with special start - every player gets... lets say 3 points. You can use the points to:
Do one click on the settings (1 point cost) - like turning gold income up to 125% or even down.
Get a random unit-gen nation (3 points cost).
Improve/decrease one stat of a non-sacred, more expensive then 10 gold / 10 resources unit of a nation of your choice (even enemy ones) by 1 point (1 point cost).
"Vote" towards a map with as many points as you want.
Awww Jiss, goat Cav!
(http://i.imgur.com/cmL3vnn.png)
Post by: Boksi on May 01, 2013, 07:10:57 am
Btw, I'll be away from my PC, and thus Dominions 3, for a week next month, if that changes anything.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 01, 2013, 09:02:15 am
Edit: Heh, light moose cavalry
Post by: Boksi on May 01, 2013, 10:27:59 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 01, 2013, 10:51:35 am
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Nation 75: Nefurt generated with seed 705137524I'm with Boksi on awesomeeverything mods.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 01, 2013, 11:31:55 am
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 01, 2013, 11:53:14 am
You guys ok with old Palazzo joining? I've always wanted to try a nationgen game.No problem! Hoburgs with hydras and earth and death magic, and adorable little purple floppy hats?Code: [Select]Nation 75: Nefurt generated with seed 705137524
I'm with Boksi on awesomeeverything mods.
I'm alright with Other Peoples' Mods. This is not meant to be a balanced game so much as a fun diversion, especially after Round 10 and since NationGen and balance go together like water and oil. I haven't tried any of the Awesome Mods, but from what I've heard of them, they sound perfect for this game.
Post by: Boksi on May 01, 2013, 04:27:36 pm
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Nation 76: Maelmar generated with seed 927397214Because who needs troops with more than 10 AP, anyway?
Post by: Bluerobin on May 02, 2013, 09:16:01 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 02, 2013, 09:27:17 am
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Nation 74: Pi-rameau generated with seed -1917277029Abysians on salamanders and fossils, recruitable anywhere. Lots of hitpoints and good armour(23 on fossil riders).
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 02, 2013, 12:10:16 pm
Post by: Boksi on May 02, 2013, 02:11:10 pm
The important things to check for are: Which units are capital only(they're irrelevant unless they're really good), what the sacreds are like and what the mages are like. Once I had a few good ones, I looked through them again, looking at their troops. I wound up picking Maelmar, and if you try generating it you'll see why.
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 02, 2013, 07:05:31 pm
I'm in but it's going to be a couple days until I can gen a nation. If that's an issue feel free to go without me.That's no problem! This game probably isn't going to start very soon.
I have a specific thing I am looking for though that does look nice. My method right now is make 10,000 nations then look for a needle in a haystack. I think the number may be beyond nationgen though so I might have to do it in batches.I will note that dominions only accepts up to about 20 new nations at a time (nation number 72 to 94 are free; any higher won't work). It'll probably be easiest to generate nations in batches of 20, similar to what Boksi said.
Also, I was looking through Dominions Enhanced recently. I knew it buffed up endgame summons but haha holy crap W8E5/N5 queens of water who generate gems. Interestingly, neither arch devils nor ice devils seem to have been buffed.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 02, 2013, 07:14:29 pm
Post by: ThtblovesDF on May 03, 2013, 03:00:00 am
Post by: Bluerobin on May 03, 2013, 05:08:23 pm
-- Nation 100: Tashdan generated with seed 1452780075
that looks like this:
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Post by: Darkwind3 on May 03, 2013, 07:15:41 pm
e: keep in mind that I am not Elmokki, nor do I know what your specific situation is. This is just my best guess of what might be wrong and it's entirely possible you have already done this and are now angry with me for assuming you didn't.
Post by: Bluerobin on May 03, 2013, 07:39:15 pm
Well, now it's working! No idea what was wrong, but it doesn't seem to be wrong anymore.
Post by: Karlito on May 03, 2013, 08:27:48 pm
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Nation 80: Burburg generated with seed -1982150790
Race: Hoburgs.
Military: Light infantry. Crossbowmen. Heavy bat and mechanical mosquito cavalry. Sacred heavy boar cavalry.
Magic: Astral, Death and Nature. Weak Earth.
Priests: Strong.
I'll have to figure out an AwesomeGods Pretender design, but I think I'm going with these guys. There's no way I can get a better nation name than this.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 03, 2013, 10:09:50 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on May 04, 2013, 01:09:11 am
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Nation 108: Sardarm generated with seed 1560825304
Race: Caelians, prefers Cold scale +1.
Military: Light infantry and heavy infantry. Crossbowmen. Sacred heavy infantry.
Magic: Air, Water, Death and Nature.
Priests: Moderate.Because flying martial artists are awesome.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 04, 2013, 01:32:56 pm
Post by: Stworca on May 04, 2013, 03:33:17 pm
Okay I have my choice down to 2 nations so I will just run a few test games before deciding on which specific one I want.
..Where is the fun in that? :o
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 04, 2013, 04:09:48 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 05, 2013, 08:16:55 pm
Anyway the nation I chose is more normal and honestly slightly disappointing after the fossil riders but with decent mages and a cheap sacred troop which will let me leverage smaller blesses to great affect I will have to go with the boring option (that and moose cavalry). My nation is the following:
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Udostria generated with seed 1420513045
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 05, 2013, 09:55:32 pm
Speaking of that, it looks like we have most of the people who have signed up so far. Currently, only Waterplouf and Thtblovesdf have shown interest but haven't yet submitted nations, and Waterplouf hasn't posted since early on page 1. There's no rush for anyone, of course. Unless you happen to be interested but haven't yet posted, in which case there absolutely is a rush! We have at least six, more likely to be seven or eight people, which is enough for a decently sized round, so it's entirely possible to miss this if you don't speak up and tell me you want to join in.
e: hahaha holy crap i just realized my nation's assassins wield a short sword, a broadsword, and another broadsword, this is why i love nationgen
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 05, 2013, 10:05:19 pm
Edit: oh and yeah that is my nation
Post by: Bluerobin on May 05, 2013, 10:06:15 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 05, 2013, 10:13:35 pm
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Nation 72: Udostria
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Race: Humans, Abysian auxillaries, prefers Heat scale +3.
Military: Light infantry and heavy infantry. Light moose cavalry. Chariots. Sacred light infantry.
Magic: Water and Astral. Weak Earth and Nature. in my test gen where I have everyones and my other nation.Edit: missed the priest line, they are strong. Thats part of what held me back because I wanted either some [censored] sacred or (the one I went with) cheap sacred units with strong priests so I can expand nicely without losing out too much in early mage production because I can make less sacreds rather than choosing between taking provinces or making mages.
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 06, 2013, 09:18:17 am
For completion, though,
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-- Nation 76: Ettles generated with seed 1165198899
Race: Humans.
Military: Heavy infantry. Crossbowmen. Light cavalry and heavy horse, spider and pegasus cavalry. Sacred Caelian heavy infantry.
Magic: Astral and Blood. Weak Water and Nature.
Priests: Strong, can perform blood sacrifices.As to seeds, I've been using seed 0 to fill in the blanks between peoples' nations, and the typical trend is 3-4 repeat nations (Eholm, then Eholm I-IV which are identical, for example) before switching to a new nation. I'm not sure whether that's due simply to repeating the same seed or to the different placement, though.
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 06, 2013, 09:22:55 am
Post by: Mrhappyface on May 06, 2013, 09:08:10 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 06, 2013, 09:35:36 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 07, 2013, 04:28:03 am
Post by: ThtblovesDF on May 07, 2013, 08:08:27 am
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 07, 2013, 11:20:25 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 07, 2013, 11:49:32 am
Post by: Bluerobin on May 07, 2013, 11:51:04 am
Post by: Mrhappyface on May 07, 2013, 01:01:02 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 07, 2013, 04:41:38 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on May 07, 2013, 04:45:52 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 07, 2013, 04:47:23 pm
interesting
Post by: Bluerobin on May 07, 2013, 04:48:07 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 09, 2013, 01:24:42 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/teW1p1l.jpg?1)
Post by: Bluerobin on May 09, 2013, 04:13:37 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 09, 2013, 04:14:39 pm
Post by: Karlito on May 09, 2013, 07:14:59 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 09, 2013, 07:48:28 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 10, 2013, 11:56:24 am
Just a friendly reminder: this game's victory conditions are owning and controlling 50%+1 capitals. In this case, that's four (out of six). You may wish to keep this in mind when designing pretenders and during the game.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 10, 2013, 12:51:16 pm
Post by: Stworca on May 10, 2013, 12:55:08 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on May 10, 2013, 12:59:36 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 10, 2013, 01:21:33 pm
Post by: Karlito on May 10, 2013, 11:06:26 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 10, 2013, 11:21:39 pm
Post by: Stworca on May 11, 2013, 01:15:34 am
I am super envious of you guys that have sacred Mages. I predict that Upkeep will kill me before any of you get the chance.
I suggest countering upkeep problems with Turmoil, Sloth, Death and Misfortune.
Post by: Bluerobin on May 12, 2013, 02:02:05 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 12, 2013, 02:08:45 pm
Post by: Karlito on May 12, 2013, 03:40:36 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 12, 2013, 06:49:11 pm
Hmm, looks like Boksi is the only person to take an awake rainbow (or at least the only one ballsy enough to do something with it turn 1). It remains to be seen how many ridiculous quadruple blesses we will find. Given Akhier's income, it's a decent bet he's got one (or at least, he's not relying on scales).
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 12, 2013, 07:07:43 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on May 13, 2013, 05:16:54 pm
Post by: Karlito on May 13, 2013, 06:44:56 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 13, 2013, 06:46:02 pm
I found the name so super excellentIt is indeed doubleplus fine.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 13, 2013, 06:49:53 pm
Thank ye thank ye. I picked Burburg in large part because I found the name so super excellent. Unfortunately, it does mean that my crappy Hoburg troops get smashed around by independents.Your nation is actually one of the ones that gave me a lot of trouble in single player.
Post by: Karlito on May 13, 2013, 06:53:38 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 16, 2013, 04:20:26 pm
Luftwaffe 2: First Blood
No Water for Old Fish
Marvel's Gandalf: You Shall Not Pass
edit: can't spell my nation's name :/
Post by: Bluerobin on May 16, 2013, 07:44:59 pm
Edit: Diplomacy this round may be... interesting. I like.
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 17, 2013, 07:34:40 am
How cool is that? Very cool, that's how. You should totally try it.
Post by: Bluerobin on May 21, 2013, 10:10:04 am
Post by: Boksi on May 21, 2013, 08:46:58 pm
Post by: Karlito on May 21, 2013, 10:16:04 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 22, 2013, 01:39:01 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 22, 2013, 11:19:34 am
Post by: Karlito on May 22, 2013, 11:33:31 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 23, 2013, 05:28:12 am
Post by: Karlito on May 26, 2013, 08:34:34 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 27, 2013, 08:53:30 am
Also, for those of you not in Round 10 (which is everyone but Karlito) - Round 10 needs two subs. I'll make this short; round 10 is an MA game, currently in turn 75, so squarely in the late game. It's a vanilla game, so no Zmeys or whatever.
Ermor has an S9 bless (for those shadow vestals) and is currently under attack from three different nations on two different sides of its empire (though some sort of clever diplomacy might be possible I guess). Your army is about three times larger than that of any human players. To be honest, Ermor is in decline, though it might be possible to pull it around. I'm really only asking because Ermor has a lot of tools that need a human player to be used properly.
Eriu has an E9N6 bless. They're currently only at war with one human player (and R'lyeh, who is about to go AI). I don't really know much about Eriu's capabilities. To be honest, Eriu's player basically coasted by on Thunderstrike spam and the occasional Sidhe Lord thug. I don't know what they have researched or what they can do, or their gem situation. you have one big army (that I can see) with your pretender, plus probably a crapload of Sidhe Lords scattered to the wind. Your position is probably not bad, but I don't know.
We also need someone to set R'lyeh to AI, since I'd rather not do it myself (due to the cheaty nature of looking at someone else's turn as another player), which will only take a moment.
Feel free to post in the thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=118516.0) or PM me if you want to take a look at either nation and decide whether they're for you or generously donate 60 seconds of your time to turn R'lyeh AI.
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 27, 2013, 09:14:13 am
Also Burburg's PD is apparently entirely crossbowmen armed with broadswords, which is hilarious and will murder anything that doesn't have a shield (like Nefurt's hawk cavalry).Scuse me, they've got kite shields. Also Burburg PD has got small arbalests.
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 27, 2013, 09:23:28 am
Post by: Karlito on May 27, 2013, 03:27:04 pm
I agree with you with respect to the arbalests as well. Definitely less useful than crossbows would be.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 27, 2013, 10:13:53 pm
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Post by: Bluerobin on May 27, 2013, 10:23:34 pm
Post by: Karlito on May 27, 2013, 11:30:32 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on May 27, 2013, 11:31:28 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 27, 2013, 11:42:13 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on May 27, 2013, 11:43:51 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 28, 2013, 05:33:32 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 28, 2013, 11:22:18 am
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Nation 73: Agarhamburg generated with seed -1409963518
Easy to mass hoburgs with pikes and halberds, mosquito and hawk riders(slightly inferior, but cheaper than Nefurt's), and sacred, ethereal, awesome abysians on scorpions. Drain immunity and +1 heat preference.
Drawbacks are cap-only archers(but with magical bows), bad priests and expensive temples.
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 28, 2013, 12:11:14 pm
words about province defenseI decided to just go look at the mod files to see what the PD for each of our nations is. I've spoilered everything because this word be a very long post otherwise and I'm sure some of you don't care. Province defense is set in terms of units per ten PD, which is why all the numbers go to one decimal place (in other words, when I say you get 0.9 units per point of PD, it's defined in-game as nine units at ten PD).
Udostria
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Nefurt
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Ettles
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Maelmar
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Burburg
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Sardarm
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Not that any of this matters because all PD is basically chaff, albeit sometimes useful chaff. I will note though that Sardarm's PD is substantially better than Caelum's typical "melee units attack, then the archers murder them and force an instaroute" PD.
Post by: Bluerobin on May 28, 2013, 12:21:28 pm
But yeah, Caelians are significantly better when they have shields and heavy armor. Especially if you find Robust ones so their HP is higher too.
On the other hand, they're pretty cool when they're fairly lightly armored and only have fist weapons, too. Especially when one fist weapon causes fear and the other resurrects killed enemies.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 28, 2013, 12:42:16 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on May 30, 2013, 11:26:32 pm
Never mind! A little less sleep isn't going to matter in the long run.
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 31, 2013, 09:56:54 am
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 31, 2013, 11:51:00 am
My apologies! By the time you posted I was fast asleep. Admittedly, the fast turnover on turns means that advance notice is rather difficult.So, I don't think I'm going to be able to make a 26 hour turn. If I can get like 5 extra hours I should be fine. Sorry!
Never mind! A little less sleep isn't going to matter in the long run.
Post by: Bluerobin on May 31, 2013, 11:52:23 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 01, 2013, 09:44:34 am
Heh, Boksi has got some really bad luck with enemy flankers. At least this time these were Udostria's special troops, and not a bunch of barbarians.
Post by: Boksi on June 01, 2013, 12:13:55 pm
You know, at this point all I can do is do as much damage as I can because I'm out of the running. And I don't think I can be bothered to do that. I'd rather just go AI.
Post by: Karlito on June 01, 2013, 12:15:50 pm
Post by: Boksi on June 01, 2013, 12:45:09 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on June 03, 2013, 06:10:04 pm
Post by: Karlito on June 03, 2013, 06:23:33 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on June 11, 2013, 06:45:16 pm
I haven't really been feeling any pain from the hosting time, but does anyone want the time limit extended? We are getting later into the game, after all, and pretty much everyone is a war. I imagine Il Palazzo's turns are getting rather involved.
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 11, 2013, 06:53:24 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on June 11, 2013, 06:54:45 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on June 11, 2013, 08:29:27 pm
Edit: Whuh oh. Suddenly everyone has active pretenders.
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 14, 2013, 07:13:00 am
He should have known better than fly into modern battle in his obsolete fokker.
I can see we're entering that stage of the game when everybody is fielding wendigos. Too bad the generator doesn't include nation-specific summoning spells.
Post by: Bluerobin on June 14, 2013, 10:12:36 pm
Also, how the hell did I miss the entire right half of the world turning pink?
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on June 14, 2013, 10:19:39 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on June 15, 2013, 08:33:02 pm
It has also come to my attention that the thread title is sorely outdated. Thus, it has been updated. Hopefully there's not such a disparity in the future!
Post by: Karlito on June 15, 2013, 08:35:02 pm
Il Palazzo is a monster.
Eeeyup. Good luck with that guys.
Post by: Bluerobin on June 16, 2013, 08:52:43 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 16, 2013, 09:09:57 pm
That does not sound good he in my round as well maybe I should focus him or something :'(Il Palazzo is a monster.
Eeeyup. Good luck with that guys.
Post by: Bluerobin on June 17, 2013, 06:10:35 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on June 17, 2013, 06:18:16 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on June 17, 2013, 06:19:24 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on June 21, 2013, 12:18:29 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 21, 2013, 01:53:14 pm
It's a shame the AI had the indecency to ignore Il Palazzo in favor of vomiting all of its chaff at me, though.It was thanks to my cunning use of roadsigns!
Post by: Karlito on June 21, 2013, 03:47:39 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on June 21, 2013, 03:52:15 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 23, 2013, 09:57:25 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on June 23, 2013, 10:22:30 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 25, 2013, 08:06:33 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on June 25, 2013, 08:27:07 pm
Wonderful timing on the arena match, though...
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 29, 2013, 09:48:52 am
Post by: Darkwind3 on June 29, 2013, 10:29:06 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 30, 2013, 12:52:54 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on June 30, 2013, 02:57:16 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 01, 2013, 07:26:47 am
I wonder if it's the same with other domes, and all spells? Does it mean it's possible to fry your own mage casting gateway, for example?
Also, perpetual storm stops seeking arrows, in case you've been wondering why there's none falling from the sky.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 01, 2013, 12:43:39 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 01, 2013, 12:46:52 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 01, 2013, 12:55:49 pm
Edit: Okay they don't stop spells going from the province but most of the domes do block all incomining spells. The fire dome doesn't but it also doesn't stop spells but rather damages the enemy caster.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 03, 2013, 06:43:15 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 03, 2013, 02:17:28 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on July 03, 2013, 02:20:25 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 03, 2013, 05:04:16 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 07, 2013, 11:05:48 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 07, 2013, 11:51:52 am
Post by: Darkwind3 on July 07, 2013, 02:06:27 pm
At any rate, sorry to intrude on the game but I'm looking for a sub in round 10, which I also admin. (No need to read the rest of the paragraph if you're not interested, i suppose, but I think you will be interested in this position). MA Ermor has been staling the few turns (and some players suspect he'd been sending in empty turns before that), and they're in a war, though they haven't been losing too much territory recently. Ermor's advantage, though, is gems. Shitloads of gems. Well over one thousand fucking gems. Ever wanted to experiment with the lategame? The world is your oyster. With Tartarians (easily accessed by MA Ermor) you have access to every path in the game. It would be a crime to let this position go unfulfilled, because the AI can't use gems nearly as effectively as humans. Though I think ay other details pale in comparison to the truckload of gems Ermor has, feel free to PM me if you want more details. Likewise, if you want to sub in, please PM me or post in the Round 10 thread.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 07, 2013, 02:35:53 pm
I would ask if you wanted to share your story with the class, but it looks like Akhier already did for you I guess I'm glad you lost that battle. Sound like Akhier took a stationary pretender. Did il Palazzo lose anything nice? :PNo, he did not have a stationary pretender. His Jade Emperor had an astral shield on, and ~200 fatigue when every other Udostian either died or fled and the general rout was sounded. But due to the fatigue, he couldn't move, so what remained of my dust walkers surrounded him and started to slowly chip away at his 300 hp and getting paralysed in the process, while the castle defences were taking potshots. Some ten turns and half his health later they finally broke and fled too.
Post by: Darkwind3 on July 07, 2013, 03:35:52 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 08, 2013, 11:04:35 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 09, 2013, 03:41:02 pm
Darkwind & Bluerobin: how's your fighting spirit? Do you want to continue, or do you want to call it a day?
Post by: Bluerobin on July 09, 2013, 04:23:53 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on July 09, 2013, 06:15:07 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on July 10, 2013, 11:13:22 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on July 11, 2013, 10:24:53 pm
Second, I'm going to need a pause for the weekend for a camping trip. I'll be gone from early Saturday morning until late Monday night EDT (GMT-4). I'll be able to submit a turn tomorrow probably, but after that I'll be away for three days essentially. Sorry. :-\
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 12, 2013, 11:47:03 am
Post by: Darkwind3 on July 12, 2013, 06:03:44 pm
Second, I'm going to need a pause for the weekend for a camping trip. I'll be gone from early Saturday morning until late Monday night EDT (GMT-4). I'll be able to submit a turn tomorrow probably, but after that I'll be away for three days essentially. Sorry. :-\I've just postponed the turn three days, though I guess if you do get one last turn in before your trip I'll postpone another three days.
Also - that was lucky of you to kill my Heliophagus in only a single Mind Hunt, Il Palazzo! Thankfully, blood slaves are a renewable resource.
Post by: EuchreJack on July 12, 2013, 11:10:47 pm
For example, here are some fun things I've found:
Priests can blood sacrificing ability
Priests can reanimate
Thug commanders/troops (found one with awe/ethereal/prot19/enc2/secondform/sacred, for example in seed 995001549)
High astral commanders
Large magic variety in mages
Cheap, sacred mages (aka "research assistants")
All commanders have magic paths
Flying troops
Assuming I can't find all these things in one nation, how would people rank these and other attributes, generally?
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 13, 2013, 12:24:27 am
Oh and there is one type of mage you are forgetting to include. The only random magic mage. Though preferable that its sacred to make it cheaper a mage with only random picks can be recruited at any fortress you have which can be useful if you build a lot of forts.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 13, 2013, 12:40:50 am
Also - that was lucky of you to kill my Heliophagus in only a single Mind Hunt, Il Palazzo!I know, right? We're even for that harverster of sorrow, as far as lucky mindhunts go, eh?
@Euchre:
As Akhier said, it's all very much depenent on what you want to do. E.g., Nefurt is so-so across the board, but they have very cheap, recruit-anywhere flying units with good punching power and great defence. Lets you dominate early game as you mop up indies and pd, but otherwise there's not much more to rely on. Boksi, on the other hand, had great mages, able to cast acid-based spells, with extremely tough sacreds to hold the line. If not for a couple unlucky battles early on, he'd mop up the floor with most of his early-to-mid adversaries.
Post by: Darkwind3 on July 13, 2013, 07:26:10 am
Assuming I can't find all these things in one nation, how would people rank these and other attributes, generally?Continuing with what the others said, I wanted a late-game nation because I figured the others wouldn't be paying much mind to that. Ettles has easy access to both S4 and B4, and thanks to Nature and Blood summons every path in the game is available to me. Well-played, Ettles can roll over basically any opposition late in the game (I'll leave you to decide how well I've been playing). I went with an awake, pathless wyrm to stave off attacks before my nation could really get going - in NationGen, what nation you choose and what pretender you choose are basically aspects of the same decision. Flying ethereal poison sacreds also helped my choice to take this nation, admittedly.
Post by: EuchreJack on July 14, 2013, 10:21:27 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'd feel bad playing against anyone with that guy.
Post by: Sergarr on July 15, 2013, 04:13:21 am
Found a truly broken mage.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'd feel bad playing against anyone with that guy.
"No description" is the only possible description for that thing. I wonder just how fast can you win with that unit.
Post by: Bluerobin on July 16, 2013, 08:44:07 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on July 19, 2013, 01:42:28 am
Post by: EuchreJack on July 19, 2013, 05:18:01 am
I'm going to need another extension this weekend. Not as long as the last one, just until Sunday morning EDT (probably about noon GMT?). At this point I feel like we're just messing around trying things out while Il P snipes off big units with mind hunts, but maybe Darkwind has a plan I don't know about yet. :P
Recruit more astral mages, maybe? At 40% chance of detection for level one astral mages, even weak indy astral mages should help.
Post by: Bluerobin on July 19, 2013, 09:13:51 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 19, 2013, 02:44:49 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on July 19, 2013, 04:09:41 pm
Not losing every chalice I produced to mismanagement would also have helped, I think.
Post by: Bluerobin on July 19, 2013, 04:14:20 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 19, 2013, 04:51:52 pm
Thanks for playing, guys. I had a lot of fun with this one. The rampaging SCs were a royal pain in the neck.
I do apologise for the rather boring strategy I resorted to, with spamming forts and taking cheap potshots from behind the walls. I realise it's not very much fun to play against, but it was the reasonable approach to take. Luckily we had some grand battles, so hopefully it wasn't all that bad.
If only Darkwind attacked me right after the fall of Burburgian empire, I'd have folded like a toy house. I had little to defend myself at the time, and it took precious time to go through all that magic diversification and fortification.
The problem with late game, especially with Awesome mods, is that if you give players enough time, they'll all end up having the same capabilities, magic path-wise. Your national mages become almost insignificant. Then it's just a resource war, and the one with most of these is bound to win.
Oh and, have you noticed? By the victory conditions in the OP, the game ended with the fall of Udostria. :P
Post by: Bluerobin on July 19, 2013, 04:58:20 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 19, 2013, 05:13:05 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on July 19, 2013, 05:13:56 pm
Well then, I'll close the game in a few hours.I'm the admin, remember? :P Unless you happen to have found the password somehow. And as to the victory condition, although I didn't specify, I would imagine both ownership and control of the capitals would be necessary for victory (though it's a moot point since you have that now anyways!). IIRC I had the teleporting wendigo parked on one of your capitals from the moment you took Udostria to the start of the siege of Burburg.
Thanks for playing, guys. I had a lot of fun with this one. The rampaging SCs were a royal pain in the neck.
I do apologise for the rather boring strategy I resorted to, with spamming forts and taking cheap potshots from behind the walls. I realise it's not very much fun to play against, but it was the reasonable approach to take. Luckily we had some grand battles, so hopefully it wasn't all that bad.
If only Darkwind attacked me right after the fall of Burburgian empire, I'd have folded like a toy house. I had little to defend myself at the time, and it took precious time to go through all that magic diversification and fortification.
The problem with late game, especially with Awesome mods, is that if you give players enough time, they'll all end up having the same capabilities, magic path-wise. Your national mages become almost insignificant. Then it's just a resource war, and the one with most of these is bound to win.
Oh and, have you noticed? By the victory conditions in the OP, the game ended with the fall of Udostria. :P
I have noticed that branching into other paths is a lot easier in Awesome Mods, especially given it seems possible to use the Elemental Royalty to summon more royalty - having access to one of the four elements means easy potential to grab any of them. The various SCs added from EDM also make getting magic paths a lot easier; the Treant actually has 3 50% chances each for E, W, and N, as opposed to the more reasonable 120% EWN random it gets in CBM. I had access to every path but fire quite a while ago, and would have had fire as well if I had known starting out what a badass the fire heliophagus is. I'm sure the situation was similar for you.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 19, 2013, 05:31:18 pm
I'm the admin, remember?By Jove! I got the rounds mixed up. You do the honours then.
Post by: EuchreJack on July 21, 2013, 07:55:57 pm
If you decide to join Il Palazzo, I promise not to form an alliance against you from day one. :P