Post by: Meph on October 11, 2016, 03:10:16 pm
Since I have been far from diligent at posting proper credits for the open-source or free-to-use creative commons sprites I've used in the set, and I don't want this to reflect negatively on Toady One, I've decided to take this tileset down. I had a blast making it and I hope you had some fun playing with it, but considering that it will be replaced by the much better Steam release anyway, I don't feel like it's worth to disentangle and identify exactly where I got which sprite from and by which author. It's been 5 years and over 10.000 variations of sprites.
I've sourced the sprites from websites like https://opengameart.org/ or https://www.spriters-resource.com/ , using sprites for non-commercial use; or asked artists on deviantart and other sites directly, while the initial idea of this tileset was to give life to abandoned sprites by Obsidian Soul and Dibujor. Both started, then stopped working on, a 24x to 32x tileset.
I talked with Dibujor via email about it and I won't quote a private conversation, but he was more than happy to see the sprites being used by players. Obsidian Soul had this to say:
Very late to the party, but Meph, I just want to say this is gorgeous. THANK YOU for using my abandoned tiles and adapting them to a complete set. It's exactly like what I would have wanted them to be. ^^
My only complaint at the moment is your base grass tile. The leaves are too long and coily and makes the exteriors noisy. More like overgrown vines rather than grasslands. Though they'd do well as wormy tendrils or even pigtails. Switching tree leaves and grass might also work. Other than that, I love everything in this. <3
Anyhow... hope you are all doing well;
so long,
Meph
Post by: jecowa on October 11, 2016, 03:29:57 pm
Meph, are you okay with your Meph Tileset being bundled with Lazy Newb Packs?
Post by: Meph on October 11, 2016, 03:36:04 pm
Meph, are you okay with your Meph Tileset being bundled with Lazy Newb Packs?Not yet. Not because I wouldn't want it on those packs, but because it's not finished. This is a first release to get more play-testers, but I plan to work on it more. I'll probably update it fairly regularly in the near future. But I can let you know once I consider it "finished".
Post by: Wyrdean on October 11, 2016, 03:39:17 pm
Going to Download As soon as I get home!
And I'm very surprised that you're already almost completely done! :P :)
Post by: Meph on October 11, 2016, 03:43:37 pm
Post by: gchristopher on October 11, 2016, 04:37:49 pm
Post by: jecowa on October 11, 2016, 06:10:55 pm
Meph, are you okay with your Meph Tileset being bundled with Lazy Newb Packs?Not yet. Not because I wouldn't want it on those packs, but because it's not finished. This is a first release to get more play-testers, but I plan to work on it more. I'll probably update it fairly regularly in the near future. But I can let you know once I consider it "finished".
Thank you, that sounds good.
Post by: SalmonGod on October 11, 2016, 07:24:19 pm
Post by: cludgo on October 11, 2016, 08:09:37 pm
Downloaded and ran the game and within 2 seconds the screen flashed, the game minimized to the toolbar, and i got an alert that my graphics driver had crashed but recovered. Any thoughts?
Edit: Second run it seems to be holding up ok. Maybe a fluke? Damn the tileset looks nice in the wild.
Edit 2: Ran three adventurers through quickly. Crashed after the third.
Post by: PeridexisErrant on October 11, 2016, 08:13:07 pm
Post by: dirkdragonslayer on October 12, 2016, 12:11:44 am
Post by: Del1m on October 12, 2016, 03:33:42 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on October 12, 2016, 04:41:35 am
Elf crossbowmen just show up as black/grey squares, can get pretty confusing in a fight.Perfect, thank you.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Awesome work Meph! The tileset is supreme.TWBT dislikes adventure mode because of something with the travel-map. Mifki has to update a few things. No idea about the first thing.
Downloaded and ran the game and within 2 seconds the screen flashed, the game minimized to the toolbar, and i got an alert that my graphics driver had crashed but recovered. Any thoughts?
Edit: Second run it seems to be holding up ok. Maybe a fluke? Damn the tileset looks nice in the wild.
Edit 2: Ran three adventurers through quickly. Crashed after the third.
Post by: DanielCoffey on October 12, 2016, 07:48:47 am
I should add I am a new player but I do understand why folks are still using 43.03 rather than 43.05 (64-bit) at the moment.
EDIT : I have stumbled across the reply by jecowa to the same question in the reddit (in your own thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/5705ua/meph_tileset_32x_full_graphic_set_for_twbt/) there) so I will give that a go and report back if I have any specific issues. Cheers.
Post by: Dirst on October 12, 2016, 12:05:42 pm
I should add I am a new player but I do understand why folks are still using 43.03 rather than 43.05 (64-bit) at the moment.Dwarf Fortress is highly configurable, but there are a suite of memory-hacking tools that white-hat their way into the game engine to allow vastly expanded features. The Meph Tileset uses one of those tools to assign distinct icons to items that would otherwise look identical in game. There have been technical issues slowing down the latest update of the memory-hacking tools, and the last version for which everything works is 0.43.03.
There's nothing wrong or especially unstable with DF 0.43.05 itself; the problem is just that tools like DFHack and Dwarf Therapist aren't available for it yet.
Post by: DanielCoffey on October 12, 2016, 01:58:46 pm
I got Meph's pack working with only two minor changes to the instructions on the Reddit post...
1. Rename df_linux/data/art/font.png to df_linux/data/art/Font.png as it is case sensitive. It is referenced in the init.txt with the upper-case F.
2. I actually created a LNP/graphics/Meph folder and put all the relevant data and raw files in there along with an edited manifest.json. That way I could just choose them from the LNP menu and everything was set up properly for me. The first time I just tried to place the files in the df_linux folders by hand the game locked up on me and I had to Reset the PC.
I have to say, Meph, you have done a sweet job there. The scale is just perfect on a 2560x1440p 27" monitor. Well done and thanks!
Post by: DragonDePlatino on October 13, 2016, 09:23:56 am
Post by: kicktothehead on October 13, 2016, 09:55:39 am
Things start to "come live" in the game ..... outstanding work.
-B
Post by: BloodLines on October 13, 2016, 12:28:55 pm
Think we could get just the files as well, I am attempting to create a pre-install for Linux
Edit: For a little more clarification, I really more just need the TWBT files, I should be able to manage the rest using the pre-install you posted, I just dont have much experience using TWBT so I am unfamiliar with the files.
Thanks!
Post by: daagar on October 13, 2016, 07:58:09 pm
My only "complaint" is that when zooming this tileset, it seems to blur more than others. I'm training myself to not zoom in or out, as I know this isn't a function of the tileset itself - it was just more apparent for whatever reason.
Post by: Amostubal on October 15, 2016, 06:14:27 am
Post by: raeborga on October 20, 2016, 12:20:48 am
js...
Post by: Stronghammer on October 20, 2016, 07:54:47 am
Post by: Meph on October 20, 2016, 08:09:40 am
I use an override for them, but DF uses inverted colors on them. I can fix that easily. Thanks for the notice :)
Post by: DanielCoffey on October 20, 2016, 08:34:31 am
Could you either let us know when a new pack is up or if there is a simple edit that we can make then we can do it.
Post by: DanielCoffey on October 20, 2016, 09:06:01 am
I had some children arrive with my first migrant wave and they have moved into my Meeting Hall in their little red suits but there appears to be some red leafy thing sharing the same tile as them. Every one of the children alternates with this red tile. Do you know what it is meant to be? I have raised the levels in the image to show two of them (there are actually five children in this room but I got the chairs at the instant I pressed PrintScreen). You can see one at the top left of the room..
(http://www.dcoffey.co.uk/images/dwarffortress/MephChildren.jpg)
Post by: SQman on October 20, 2016, 09:31:39 am
Actually Meph, I do have a question for you...If it's only children, maybe they're playing make believe? Normally it's indicated by a magenta ["] symbol.
I had some children arrive with my first migrant wave and they have moved into my Meeting Hall in their little red suits but there appears to be some red leafy thing sharing the same tile as them. Every one of the children alternates with this red tile. Do you know what it is meant to be?
Post by: DanielCoffey on October 20, 2016, 09:34:42 am
Post by: Meph on October 20, 2016, 09:39:15 am
They are playing and flashing an alternate tile. I can replace the plant with a playing child, then use overrides for the plant. :)
Post by: DanielCoffey on October 20, 2016, 11:02:50 am
When a Turkey Hen lays an egg clutch in a nestbox the eggs appear as something like a Granite Boulder instead of "something more eggy". Is that the intended behaviour?
The reason I have not managed to get a picture of it is that the dwarf who delivered the nest box spotted the eggs before leaving the room and grabbed them for the kitchen. I will have another go later at getting a picture if needed.
Post by: taptap on October 20, 2016, 04:02:21 pm
Post by: Rose on October 20, 2016, 10:19:09 pm
Post by: Meph on October 21, 2016, 11:09:41 am
The tiles for 3 or 4 way tracks are misleading regarding their in game behaviour. (E.g. A cart coming from west to a NSW track tile continues east (or stops when there is a wall) but does not turn.)Can you show me a screenshot for that?
Very Nice. Will this be available in the next MWDF release Meph? I want to try it, but I like the whole package deals, lol.Thank you. Yes, I'm putting it into Masterwork for sure.
I'm using this in the default 32x32 res, though I'm on a 1080 resolution. I prefer the slightly larger size of the sprites. Why is this (in theory) a bad thing to do?I actually thought it would be impossible to use on a 1080p resolution, but maybe TWBT allows for a lower minimum of tiles.
My only "complaint" is that when zooming this tileset, it seems to blur more than others. I'm training myself to not zoom in or out, as I know this isn't a function of the tileset itself - it was just more apparent for whatever reason.
Hey Meph,Currently uploading both mac and linux edition.
Think we could get just the files as well, I am attempting to create a pre-install for Linux
Edit: For a little more clarification, I really more just need the TWBT files, I should be able to manage the rest using the pre-install you posted, I just dont have much experience using TWBT so I am unfamiliar with the files.
Thanks!
Wow Meph thank you for all your work on this. For me - this is the best Tileset to date.Thank you :)
Things start to "come live" in the game ..... outstanding work.
-B
Congratulations on the release, Meph! I saw this tileset posted on reddit and was instantly impressed. You did a great job creating a consistent-looking tileset that suits the tone of DF.Thank you too! Btw, Gemset is installed in Masterwork too. ;) Just working on the creatures sprites for that, I need to standardize the creature files between all tilesets for that. :/ Mostly Phoebus is making issues.
Post by: Meph on October 21, 2016, 11:33:31 am
Linux version is up.
Barebones version is up. (only text and image files)
I have not made any changes yet, still waiting for more issues to pop up. So far:
- Eggs in nestboxes look like boulders (their vanilla tile)
- Children playing make-believe flash-tile is wrong. ("), which is a bush.
- Something shady with 3/4 way track tiles. Maybe.
- Bins are black, since DF inverts their color.
- Elven archers (probably other non-dwarven archer/crossbowmen/blowgunners) are black tiles.
- Some players think some tiles are too dark, rock floor/walls...
Post by: taptap on October 21, 2016, 03:42:54 pm
The tiles for 3 or 4 way tracks are misleading regarding their in game behaviour. (E.g. A cart coming from west to a NSW track tile continues east (or stops when there is a wall) but does not turn.)Can you show me a screenshot for that?
It is a minor thing. You won't see much in a screenshot, minecarts just behave that way. I.e. 4-way tracks are a crossing between a horizontal and vertical not a little circuit in the middle. And 3-way tracks are a horizontal or vertical straight line and a stump going off in another direction, but they will never make a minecart turn like 2-track turns do (NW, NE, SE, SW), i.e. composing them out of the turn sprites might be misleading for some players not yet experienced in minecarts.
Post by: DragonDePlatino on October 21, 2016, 07:09:21 pm
- Some players think some tiles are too dark, rock floor/walls...
The trick for solving this is to normalize all of your colorized tiles so white is the brightest color, like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/7vEPqkU.png)
When creating overrides, the tile you see in the image file is what in-game white looks like. Everything else looks reaaal dark once it's colorized. It's why all the item overrides in GemSet are bright white. If the player wants darker colors exactly like you have now, they can swap out the color scheme and customize the colors to their liking. It's easy to go from bright tiles to dark with color schemes, but impossible to do the opposite.
Post by: jecowa on October 21, 2016, 08:11:18 pm
Spoiler: Waterfall/Water depth (click to show/hide)
Can TwbT overrides be used for partially-dug stone? These overrides look kind of promising:
- StoneWallWorn1
- StoneWallWorn2
- StoneWallWorn3
Post by: DragonDePlatino on October 21, 2016, 09:56:04 pm
I'm almost positive there are the overrides for the various mining levels of stone. From what I see in GemSet the order goes
StoneWallWorn3, StoneWallWorn2 then StoneWallWorn1. They are 25%, 50% and 75% broken walls respectively.
Post by: ANickel on October 23, 2016, 03:20:19 pm
I love the sprite work in this set, but these issues make it frustrating to use in Fortress Mode, and impossible to use in Adventure Mode.
Post by: DanielCoffey on October 23, 2016, 03:40:14 pm
Post by: ANickel on October 23, 2016, 10:55:22 pm
Nevermind! Check out the MW thread for the issues.
Post by: Meph on October 24, 2016, 03:16:30 pm
Has anyone else been having issues with this set? A good amount of items are blacked out or incorrectly displayed in Fortress Mode, and much of the Adventure Mode functionality is stripped bare or removed. (Sneaking indicator!)Screenshots and letting me know exactly what tiles is portrait as what is the only thing that helps me fix this. Previous to your post, I did not even know that a think like a sneaking indicator does exist.
I love the sprite work in this set, but these issues make it frustrating to use in Fortress Mode, and impossible to use in Adventure Mode.
Post by: ANickel on October 29, 2016, 03:23:00 pm
TWBT: Version 5.65
TWBT: no tileset with id 6 (I have seen other numbers here as well)
TWBT: invalid override specification OVERRIDE:254:B:WORKSHOP_CUSTOM:Workshop:CAMPFIRE:6:82
Post by: Meph on October 29, 2016, 05:36:26 pm
Please do not post MasterworkDF feedback here.
I got really, really confused, spending a lot of time looking for the errors you mention. Couldnt find anything. Because they dont exist in this set. This is the thread for the vanilla DF tileset. Its not the same as the one in the mod, because the mod has different raws. Please keep them separate. This is for the mod: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161180.0
I've seen you screenshots, but you need to let me know which tile is what. For example you have black icons in the stockpiles. I'd need to know which items are shown as black.
And the trees... did you generate a new world after you changed tilesets? Because the pillars are "O"s, which means that the init is a different one that is intended to be used with the tileset.
Post by: Meph on October 29, 2016, 10:00:47 pm
- Fixed elven archers, crossbowmen and blowgunners.
- Fixed human archers, crossbowmen and blowgunners.
- Fixed goblin archers, crossbowmen and blowgunners.
- Fixed kobold archers, crossbowmen and blowgunners.
- Fixed bins.
- Fixed trap stops.
- Fixed eggs in nestboxes. (well... while testing I noticed that boulders now look like eggs. Guess it can be only one: Either eggs look like boulders in the nestbox, or boulders look like eggs while being carried around.)
- Fixed "children playing make-believe", added animation.
- Made stockpiles brighter.
- Made water/magma brighter.
- Made rocks/inorganics brighter.
- Fixed digging designation numbers. (appeared as solid black tiles)
- Fixed furniture designations. (appeared as solid black tiles)
- Added 25 new tiles for vermin. Maybe halfway done with vermins by now. 25 more to go.
- Working on animated vermins. Utkonos did some great work on that for the Dungeon Set, I want to expand on that, as well as make proper 32x sprites for it.
(http://i.imgur.com/bdHa5md.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/32myZQo.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/a45w9nP.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/0HLzElb.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/OpKT9cO.gif)
I hope to be able to make a release soonish.
Edit: 6 new tiles for smoke and mined rocks: (large gifs)
Spoiler: Breaking rocks down (click to show/hide)
Post by: Rose on October 30, 2016, 06:19:39 am
Post by: Heretic on October 30, 2016, 06:29:00 am
And, for more inspiration
https://vk.com/doc5642818_410186586?hash=0887393ba11ebb0180&dl=46b3fa794ed5e2b69f (https://vk.com/doc5642818_410186586?hash=0887393ba11ebb0180&dl=46b3fa794ed5e2b69f)
It was made by one russian player, but after made all dwarves he stoped. I'm absolutely sure,he will not mind if you use it.
Post by: Heretic on October 30, 2016, 06:29:47 am
Do you mind if I use your sprites in Armok Vision?Ohh... Armok Vision with these sprites... It should be great!
Post by: Insanegame27 on October 30, 2016, 06:42:23 am
Post by: Meph on October 30, 2016, 07:09:41 am
Do you mind if I use your sprites in Armok Vision?Not at all, please go ahead. :)
Post by: Rose on October 30, 2016, 10:20:22 am
In that case, would you mind uploading a version with transparent backgrounds?Do you mind if I use your sprites in Armok Vision?Not at all, please go ahead. :)
Also with each tile being a separate file would be handy, but I can do that myself otherwise.
Post by: Meph on October 30, 2016, 12:49:23 pm
Which tiles/sprites?In that case, would you mind uploading a version with transparent backgrounds?Do you mind if I use your sprites in Armok Vision?Not at all, please go ahead. :)
Post by: Rose on October 30, 2016, 12:55:57 pm
Which tiles/sprites?Clothing, armor, weapons, and food.
Post by: Meph on October 30, 2016, 12:59:47 pm
Here:Which tiles/sprites?Clothing, armor, weapons, and food.
(http://i.imgur.com/WoQ4EIK.png)
Please also credit Dibujor and Obsidian Soul. :)
Post by: Rose on October 30, 2016, 01:03:37 pm
Post by: Meph on October 30, 2016, 06:43:10 pm
So. Many. Plants.
Shrub. Dead shrub. Picked. Dead picked. Leaves. Fruits. Seeds. Flowers/Petals. for each of them. Times 120-ish.
So far I've done plant_standard and started a bit on the crops.
(http://i.imgur.com/fXM5zx7.png)
(Farmplot, Wild, Stockpiled)
Post by: Rose on October 30, 2016, 09:55:40 pm
I got them figured out.
Post by: DanielCoffey on October 31, 2016, 02:21:38 am
When I first started a Book mod for Skyrim I thought "There are probably a few dozen books. If I do ten and he does ten we can meet in the middle really soon!". Hah! One, I got lumped with the lot. Two, there were hundreds to do. Three, I increased the scope to cover other things. I swear - we are our own worst enemies sometimes!
Mind you, the end result will be worth it.
Post by: Rose on October 31, 2016, 04:20:02 am
http://i.imgur.com/RVrYjOR.jpg
Post by: Meph on October 31, 2016, 05:02:30 am
Meph - I sympathise with you when you think" Hey, I can do this next" and then you discover that there are a squillion variations to it!Worst part is figuring out when DF displays which tiles. Artichokes have flowers, leaves, hearts... great. But if I have them in a farmplot, which one is shown? Which one is shown in a stockpile?
When I first started a Book mod for Skyrim I thought "There are probably a few dozen books. If I do ten and he does ten we can meet in the middle really soon!". Hah! One, I got lumped with the lot. Two, there were hundreds to do. Three, I increased the scope to cover other things. I swear - we are our own worst enemies sometimes!
Mind you, the end result will be worth it.
Trees I just standardize, the set gets too noisy if all leaves, flowers, nuts, etc clutter up the surface. But plants I still need to figure out.
Post by: Heretic on October 31, 2016, 05:26:23 am
Please, think again about these tiles :-X
Just other things here are great.
Post by: Meph on October 31, 2016, 05:43:57 am
It's really difficult to understand basic terrain levels in this tileset. Some problems with ramps etc.I like the ramps. Whats wrong with them?
Please, think again about these tiles :-X
Just other things here are great.
Post by: Heretic on October 31, 2016, 07:01:17 am
It's ramps on this pic, yes? they are not distinct, as for me. It can use something closer to the classic triangle? Оr you can use TWBT to made special ramps to each condition such as corner or border.
Post by: Insanegame27 on October 31, 2016, 07:15:05 am
Post by: Meph on October 31, 2016, 08:53:10 am
I tried avoiding symbols/icons, instead going for the graphical route. The ramps are a little mound, shaded to look 3-dimensional.
Post by: Rose on October 31, 2016, 09:00:59 am
Post by: Rose on October 31, 2016, 12:35:26 pm
http://i.imgur.com/qI9bSIY.png
Post by: gustavoghe on October 31, 2016, 09:03:19 pm
How can I add this to Pylnp? Is it possible? I know, a very noobish questions, but i just got in on tilesets. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction?
Post by: Lurker28 on November 01, 2016, 01:08:21 pm
Post by: ashGlaw on November 02, 2016, 12:45:07 am
Post by: Novaris on November 02, 2016, 07:37:21 am
First, I have to say "THANK YOU" for the work on the tile set, it is just beautiful. Until now I sticked with spacefox and its Dibojur extension but the minute I noticed your tileset I ported it to LNP and installed it on my "vanilla with extensions" version of DF together with DAS's colorset. The details are just breathtaking.
And now, as you asked for it:
While using it I noticed a few miss-alignments in the tiles. The "play make-believe" thing and the bins are well known, but I have seen the same issue with the colors also on wodden cages and seeds seem to be very dark as well. The engraved walls and normal walls seem to be the same tile information, the same goes for the engraved floors (this is not a big issue but still, it would be so nice if it would fit into the complete picture). Also, for some strange reason, the bookcases I install are just black tiles (rock material).
If I may humbly ask for something: I would love to see the bridge-tiles getting a rework to fit into the floor tiles with the same remarkable detail as the smoothed walls. I played around a little with it already and as soon as I have a possible solution I will post it here for you to have a look at it. The same with the fallen dwarfs - in spacefox the tile was a lying dwarf if a little "red" around it. In this tileset it seems to be just a normal dwarf tile, hard to distiguish from any life peasant running around.
As for the ramp discussion, I think they are fine as they are, the shadow could be a little more distinct, because with TWBT the edges of the different layers now like kind of sharp.
Please, keep up the good work and if I can be of any help with this tileset don't hesitate to ask.
Post by: Meph on November 02, 2016, 06:21:11 pm
Could I also have a copy of this sheet without the background?Sure, once I am back on my laptop.
http://i.imgur.com/qI9bSIY.png
Novaris: Thanks for the detailed feedback. I fixed pretty much all of that, except the bridges. Do you mean the bridge floor that I should alter, or the bridge design itself?
Still trying to figure out how to best do engraved floors and walls.
Post by: dantebelmondo on November 03, 2016, 07:08:27 pm
Wooden bins are in black tiles.
Post by: DanielCoffey on November 04, 2016, 02:11:43 am
Post by: Meph on November 04, 2016, 07:28:24 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/IFVDGpw.png)
Post by: DragonDePlatino on November 04, 2016, 09:09:32 pm
How does that look? (The ramps)
(http://i.imgur.com/IFVDGpw.png)
Better! Keep the arrow symbols but make them a little less bright. To keep them from "popping out" too much, I would give the arrows a luminosity somewhere between the current level and the one below. The gray ramps look perfect if you could somehow bring everything closer to that brightness.
Post by: Meph on November 04, 2016, 09:47:56 pm
I could also make them pop-out less by making the arrows themselves smaller. Underneath I still use the ramp I had previously.
Also: More plants... slowly working my way through them.
(http://i.imgur.com/xqI2iri.png)
Post by: DanielCoffey on November 05, 2016, 02:42:29 am
My immediate impression however was that they resembled text symbols (down arrow or "V") and the focus on the rest of the pack is away from such symbols and towards pictures.Does that make sense?
Post by: IDontNeedAUsername on November 05, 2016, 02:08:58 pm
Also, since you asked for feedback, I noticed that beehives are missing. They showed up as cut wood.
I also agree that the outside graphics are somewhat dark and would love to have them brightened up a bit. If I turn my laptop's screen's brightness all the way up, it's slightly better, but would still love to have them brighter overall.
I didn't mind the old ramps, but I like the newer ones you posted very well.
The plants look great!
Thanks again for all your efforts!
Post by: Meph on November 05, 2016, 03:44:49 pm
I registered just because I wanted to say thanks for making this graphics set. It's awesome to play with my 7 year-old son and have big beautiful tiles. He especially loves the butcher shop and wants to butcher everything. Everything.Thank you so much for that post :)
Also, since you asked for feedback, I noticed that beehives are missing. They showed up as cut wood.
I also agree that the outside graphics are somewhat dark and would love to have them brightened up a bit. If I turn my laptop's screen's brightness all the way up, it's slightly better, but would still love to have them brighter overall.
I didn't mind the old ramps, but I like the newer ones you posted very well.
The plants look great!
Thanks again for all your efforts!
And I fixed the Beehives:
(http://i.imgur.com/5i2Qy3Z.png)
Post by: gustavoghe on November 05, 2016, 06:22:28 pm
Post by: Meph on November 05, 2016, 07:03:02 pm
Hey Meph, this looks wonderfull. Is there a way to install the set using PYLNP? It would be great!I say the same as I said to PeridexisErrant and Jecowa: Once its done, yes please. :) But I'm still working on it. Plants, vermin, creatures, corpses... all still missing.
Post by: gustavoghe on November 05, 2016, 08:06:45 pm
Hey Meph, this looks wonderfull. Is there a way to install the set using PYLNP? It would be great!I say the same as I said to PeridexisErrant and Jecowa: Once its done, yes please. :) But I'm still working on it. Plants, vermin, creatures, corpses... all still missing.
Ops, i didn realize that. Well, I hope you keep doing this, its a great titleset, the plants you just posted look wonderfull, as all the rest.
Post by: Meph on November 05, 2016, 08:50:46 pm
Chickpeas, chicory, eggplants, garden cress, garlic, spiked melons, celery, musk melons, onions, parsnips, peanuts, peppers, potatoes, red beans, ruhbarb, spinach, squash...
(http://i.imgur.com/9lpjpaF.png)
Testing them ingame is super slow, because you need to wait for the GROWTH_PRINTS to show... which means runnings at least 1 ingame year. :/
Edit: And plants in their native area:
Spoiler: Large ingame screenshot (click to show/hide)
Post by: DragonDePlatino on November 05, 2016, 11:11:32 pm
This is far, far too dark though. The tiles look perfect in the tileset but they're very hard to see in the screenshot. The pepper plant in particular is exactly the same color as the background. The issue might be that the game is colorizing everything. If you colorize tiles white they'll appear exactly as they do in your tileset.
Post by: Rose on November 05, 2016, 11:39:58 pm
Post by: Meph on November 06, 2016, 05:36:33 am
Wow, it's really interesting how this is coming together. The combination of photo-realistic tiles and black outlines reminds me of the Absurd NetHack tileset (http://authenticinvention.com/nethack/absurd/absurd64.bmp). Good job pulling together all of these tiles into something consistent-looking.I can easily make it brighter by using a different green color in the color scheme. I really like the dark theme, but yes, several people have said that its too dark for them.
This is far, far too dark though. The tiles look perfect in the tileset but they're very hard to see in the screenshot. The pepper plant in particular is exactly the same color as the background. The issue might be that the game is colorizing everything. If you colorize tiles white they'll appear exactly as they do in your tileset.
I hoped that plants would blend into the background a bit on the surface, because the surface is littered with them, and making bright, pop-up tiles for them would look very distracting. The green plants are very visible on the farmplots and stockpiles though. :)
I'm surprised you think its consistent looking :D I used different techniques for them, anything from pixel art, to photoshop brushes, to simple, downscaled photos of plants. I mean... there is this perfect, smooth cabbage. Right below it, a pixel-pepper. And two to the right of the cabbage is a horrible frankenstein plant made from photoshop brushes, that came out looking like a tiny palm tree.
When you draw the plants, do you keep the plant and fruits on separate layers?No. So far I've barely made any plants with fruits, and I still have the original plants, without fruits, in another file.
Post by: Meph on November 06, 2016, 07:13:04 pm
UPDATE! - Download here (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
(http://i.imgur.com/D2Vwhu9.png)
Update 1.1 is done. Now with 1000% more plants!
In short I did the following things:
- All 100+ plants have sprites now.
- All vermin have proper graphics, some of them animated!
- Tweaks and fixes according to user feedback.
- Map tileset.
- Updated TWBT, fixing TWBT-related crashes.
PLANTS!
- Added plants. All of them.
- Added plant growths. All of them.
Spoiler: Plant tileset for those that want to play around with it (Japa?) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Plants ingame (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Plant Legend (click to show/hide)
Yes, I'm aware that I used a few icons several times, for example all the wheats share a graphic, or the four types of yams. I did that for three reasons:
1. Less work.
2. Easier for the player. Less symbols to remember/figure out.
3. More space for cooler TWBT stuff, because I'm limited to 256 plant icons. I saved 34 spaces due to using tiles several times.
TWEAKS AND FIXES!
- Fixed elven archers, crossbowmen and blowgunners.
- Fixed human archers, crossbowmen and blowgunners.
- Fixed goblin archers, crossbowmen and blowgunners.
- Fixed kobold archers, crossbowmen and blowgunners.
- Fixed bins.
- Fixed constructed bee hives.
- Fixed trap stops.
- Fixed eggs in nestboxes. (well... while testing I noticed that boulders now look like eggs. Guess it can be only one: Either eggs look like boulders in the nestbox, or boulders look like eggs while being carried around.)
- Fixed build bookcases. (kinda. They at least show something, but TWBT doesnt allow them to be overwritten?)
- Fixed "children playing make-believe", added animation.
- Made stockpiles brighter.
- Made water/magma brighter.
- Made rocks/inorganics brighter.
- Made surface grass slightly brighter.
- Made ramps a lot clearer.
- Added 3 new tiles for smoke.
- Added new tile for trapparts/mechanism. Look like 3 interlocking gears now.
- Fixed digging designation numbers. (appeared as solid black tiles)
- Fixed furniture designations. (appeared as solid black tiles)
- Fixed "Sleeping Indicator", shows sign with Zzz... instead of just a normal letter.
VERMIN-TIDE!
- Added 37 new graphics for vermin.
- Added several animated creatures. Small fish breathe/swim; small birds flap their wings; worms wiggle; rats run... and dogs wag their tails. :)
(http://i.imgur.com/bdHa5md.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/32myZQo.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/a45w9nP.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/0HLzElb.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/OpKT9cO.gif)
- Added 3 new tiles mined rocks, which creates a sorta-animation for mining.
Spoiler: Breaking rocks down(large gif) (click to show/hide)
I also added someone else I made to the mix:
(http://i.imgur.com/TPA6FKu.png)
A tileset exclusively used to portrait nice worldmaps. All characters are improved to show hills, grasses, forests, towns and hamlets, necromancer towers and goblin pits. Unfortunately a lot of text character like ",", ".", "V", "0", "I" and "n" are replaced too, which means that this tileset is only for maps!
I formerly released it as a stand-alone tileset, but I think I might as well put it in here, considering that this is the place for all my graphic content.
(http://i.imgur.com/VS9LVgf.png)
Spoiler: Example map 32x32 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Example map 24x24 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Example map 16x16 (click to show/hide)
Credits:
I use the text characters from Dragondeplatinos Dawnfortress set, it was the nicest 32x32 text I could find.
THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE 1000+ DOWNLOADS!!! :)
PS: If you like the content I create, consider giving it a boost on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph).
Post by: IDontNeedAUsername on November 07, 2016, 04:48:53 pm
Post by: Meph on November 08, 2016, 04:04:30 am
Post by: Chaosegg on November 08, 2016, 12:40:45 pm
[I'm] going to try this on my current Ironhand-43.05-32-bit game RIGHT AWAY.
Thanks Meph1! Keep the awesome coming!!
Post by: DanielCoffey on November 08, 2016, 01:08:12 pm
Post by: herocrafter on November 11, 2016, 01:25:19 pm
Post by: Draignean on November 11, 2016, 01:33:57 pm
Should I run and hide, or should I try embrace this glorious tileset and play DF until my teeth melt and the pleasure receptors in my brain burn out?
Post by: Polywomple on November 12, 2016, 03:40:02 pm
One thing I wanted to thank you for was for making the floor tiles a solid consistent color. Walls change color as they are smoothed, but I'm okay with that. I was using the Gemset tile set before and I only played that tile set because floors and walls were always one color (grey) and it helped create a predictable aesthetic feel to the fortress. So please don't change that! Keep smoothed floor tiles one color, it maintains a professional fortress image.
Really looking forward to carpets as you mentioned before, I've actually used bridges to simulate a "carpet" in my fortress. (BTW my hallways are always 7 tiles wide, I don't want any cramped Dorfs 8) )
Keep up the great work.
Post by: Meph on November 13, 2016, 09:40:49 am
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Really looking forward to carpets as you mentioned before, I've actually used bridges to simulate a "carpet" in my fortress. (BTW my hallways are always 7 tiles wide, I don't want any cramped Dorfs 8) )MasterworkDF already has a carpet. But its for 16x16, so I cant just port it ^^
Post by: jecowa on November 13, 2016, 10:35:05 am
Spoiler: _Carpet32x.png (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on November 16, 2016, 01:41:57 pm
Update 1.2 - Download here (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
Now with 100+ new creature sprites!
(http://i.imgur.com/iZJXFru.png)
This update has 115 new creatures sprites, friendlier colors, and the 4-season color-script.
Spoiler: Friendlier colors screenshot (click to show/hide)
The 4-season script overlays the game with a slightly different color-scheme fitting the season. Winters are gloomier, with a cold blue hue... while summers are bright and colorful. Read more about it here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161494.0
Spoiler: 4-seasons screenshot (click to show/hide)
I included 4 sets for the seasonal colors: Grimdark, Bright, Pastel and Subtle. :)
Credits: This time I did not make the sprites myself, but asked other artists, tilesetmakers and open/free-to-use game resources. Most creatures are done by an amazing artist called Denzi. :)
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DENZI部屋のドット絵フリー素材は、クリエイティブ・コモンズ・ライセンス (http://www3.wind.ne.jp/DENZI/diary/) に基づいて公開しています。 （CC-by SA 表示-継承） https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ --- Medicine's crappy translation: "DENZI Room's pixel art (published at http://www3.wind.ne.jp/DENZI/diary/) is free material under the Creative Commons license (CC-BY-SA attribution, share alike) https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"
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OpenGameArt.org
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Stormbolts Angband Creature Set
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Post by: DanielCoffey on November 16, 2016, 03:29:36 pm
Post by: Meph on November 16, 2016, 03:34:16 pm
Post by: DanielCoffey on November 16, 2016, 04:05:05 pm
Oh, your link in the announcement just above is not working. The link in the page 1 thread is however (windows only of course).
EDIT : Please could someone point me to instructions on which save files to update when the tileset changes. I can then bookmark the link and have a look.
Post by: Meph on November 16, 2016, 06:36:07 pm
Thanks for the hint with the link, I fixed it.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 18, 2016, 01:51:52 pm
I wonder how hard it would be to slowly change the colors as time passes... It wouldn't be hard to blend the colors on the fly, the only tricky bit would be deciding how much to blend from each for a particular date. Hmmm... Maybe later.
Post by: Meph on November 18, 2016, 02:45:45 pm
It's kinda cool to see seasonal colors :) I never actually used the script beyond some minimal testing.What people asked about is a distinction between above and below-ground... seaons shouldnt affect the colors in a cave. Or my suggestio : a day/night cycle would be cool. ;)
I wonder how hard it would be to slowly change the colors as time passes... It wouldn't be hard to blend the colors on the fly, the only tricky bit would be deciding how much to blend from each for a particular date. Hmmm... Maybe later.
Post by: Dirst on November 18, 2016, 02:56:07 pm
At the default 100FPS, a fort-mode day lasts twelve seconds. I think that might get irritating after a while.It's kinda cool to see seasonal colors :) I never actually used the script beyond some minimal testing.What people asked about is a distinction between above and below-ground... seaons shouldnt affect the colors in a cave. Or my suggestio : a day/night cycle would be cool. ;)
I wonder how hard it would be to slowly change the colors as time passes... It wouldn't be hard to blend the colors on the fly, the only tricky bit would be deciding how much to blend from each for a particular date. Hmmm... Maybe later.
Above-below ground would require tile-by-tile control of the color scheme. It might even call for determining the state of each border tile, since that gray figures prominently in the seasonal effect. But if that's feasible, the idea could be extended into biome-specific effects as well.
Post by: Meph on November 18, 2016, 03:35:08 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 18, 2016, 03:46:08 pm
Day night cycle (unrealistically slow) could work, but without lights who would want it?
Blending the seasonal changes over an in-game week or so is possible, and would (IMHO) greatly enhance the effect by reducing the "shock" of season changes. I don't know when or if I'll find time to actually write the code though... Maybe never, maybe tomorrow (but more likely never).
Post by: DanielCoffey on November 18, 2016, 04:10:36 pm
Post by: Meph on November 18, 2016, 05:04:37 pm
Now I only have to fix 1 version, instead of 4. ;)
Post by: ANickel on November 18, 2016, 05:35:57 pm
I'll upload pictures if you need them.
Post by: Meph on November 18, 2016, 07:16:34 pm
Post by: Rose on November 18, 2016, 08:57:59 pm
It's fast.
Post by: Meph on November 18, 2016, 09:11:14 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/hM3Tyzf.png)
Main creature... Child creature (smaller, with KID)... Undead creature (green hue, red eyes, skull icon).
War-trained creature (crossed sword icon)... Hunting-trained creature (bow icon)... Giant creature (red up-arrow).
Alternative ideas were a small, green arrow for the kids; or a G for the giant creatures.
Post by: DragonDePlatino on November 18, 2016, 10:36:38 pm
A word of warning: You can have giant varieties of child, undead and trained creatures. Therefore, I recommend putting the red arrow in another corner so there isn't any overlap. Alternatively, all of the giant creatures could have red symbols. A giant child deer would have a red "kid" in the corner. A giant undead polar bear would have a red skull in the corner. etc etc etc.
Another thing...The skull symbol feels a bit redundant considering the creature is already visibly green. I would consider removing that. Of course, this introduces the issue of undead frogs/goblins/lizards looking indistinguishable from their normal counterparts. My solution in GemSet was to have all normal creatures facing right, and the undead varieties facing left.
They have all turned undead so to speak.
Ah...ah ha ha ha ha.........I'll see myself out. :-X
Post by: CLA on November 19, 2016, 07:17:38 am
Similarly, undead could be flipped upside down, although I think having them tinted green with red eyes is already more than enough
War/hunting works well, giant not so much. I would associate "enraged" or "aggressive" with the symbol.
Maybe something like this instead?
(http://i.imgur.com/XPz23fj.png)
Post by: Heretic on November 19, 2016, 11:38:31 am
Post by: Clatch on November 20, 2016, 09:59:10 pm
Post by: Meph on November 21, 2016, 12:04:30 pm
Current set:
(http://i.imgur.com/LP8YzSX.png)
I made the giant-arrow like one of the suggestions by CLA (thanks!) and left out the kid-tag and turned them. The undead symbol IF'd like to keep, but if people think it distracting, its the easiest to be done away with.
Red icons are giant versions. Giant war-trained, giant hunting-trained, giant undead.
Post by: Meph on November 21, 2016, 04:53:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/YQeAmU8.png)
riverlakepool_new
(http://i.imgur.com/iqWeFDb.png)
reptiles
(http://i.imgur.com/jdx9lyH.png)
desert_new
(http://i.imgur.com/DUX2Vyw.png)
Post by: DanielCoffey on November 21, 2016, 05:06:18 pm
Post by: jecowa on November 21, 2016, 05:13:47 pm
Post by: Meph on November 21, 2016, 05:55:42 pm
The turtle men look a bit like turtle teenagers. But I guess turtle people become adults at the age of 1 year?They look like super hero ninja turtles :P
Post by: Meph on November 22, 2016, 08:29:11 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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I'm aware that the bird-men dont look that great... I used one body-template for them, just changed the head and the color scheme. It mostly works, but owls, emo/ostrich/cassowary, kiwis... the weird bird body types look weird.
I used the same body type, so that I may copy+paste weapons/armor above it, in case I want to expand it and give the intelligent creatures profession sprites too... fort mode visitors, mercenaries, adv-mode and all that.
Criticize away!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: I tested the idea of a bird-men civilization... it does work. Wouldnt be much harder to enable all bird-men to have full profession, miliatry and visitor sprites. Like this:
Red-Winged Blackbird civ
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I gave them a loincloth, so that there is some clothing that I can recolor for the different professions. Only thing thats missing is armor and a different look for recruit-skill vs. master-skill soldiers; and some of the nobles are duplicates, like the diplomat/administrator or trader/merchant...
Filesize is 187kb, not too bad. One of those for all animal-men, means ~196*187kb= 36.6mb ... mh...
Post by: Meph on November 23, 2016, 07:02:44 pm
Here the kestrel man:
(http://i.imgur.com/Z4gDM2Q.png)
Post by: jecowa on November 23, 2016, 10:06:39 pm
If I move some stuff around, it should make it completely pretty compatible with any graphics pack and other mods:
Move "building_custom.txt" to "building_meph.txt".
Spoiler: building_meph.txt (click to show/hide)
Move "plant_standard.txt" to "plant_meph.txt".
Spoiler: plant_meph.txt (click to show/hide)
Move "reaction_other.txt" to "reaction_meph.txt".
Spoiler: reaction_meph.txt (click to show/hide)
And leave the "entity_default.txt" stuff in "entity_default.txt".
Spoiler: entity_default.txt (click to show/hide)
I'm guessing those will still work if they're in different files, but I'm not an expert.
Edit: Move "inorganic_other.txt" to "inorganic_meph.txt".
Spoiler: inorganic_meph.txt (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on November 24, 2016, 06:06:59 am
I'll repack it the way you described. But the building_meph and reaction_meph will get a lot larger, because a lot more decorative buildings are planned. Only way to allow the player to set up new graphics themselves in a fort.
The OUTDOOR_PLANTS I'll remove, that was just so that I have access to all plants while testing the new plant graphics.
Post by: jecowa on November 24, 2016, 09:52:06 am
Thanks for reorganizing the mod content. That will make it easier for me.
Post by: Dirst on November 24, 2016, 04:45:44 pm
Post by: PeridexisErrant on November 24, 2016, 06:04:37 pm
Init files are special; PyLNP knows all the options and what valid settings are.
Post by: Meph on November 24, 2016, 06:12:14 pm
I want to add a large pack of those to the tileset. I'm already familiar with the concept, no other tileset has anything alike, and with 32x its really worth it, since there are more details.
Post by: PeridexisErrant on November 24, 2016, 07:27:29 pm
Post by: Meph on November 24, 2016, 08:07:48 pm
Slowly making progess towards a next release...
Birds
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Reptiles / Amphibians / Snakes
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: AceSV on November 24, 2016, 08:33:21 pm
Quick artistic thing, if you want the tiles that change colors a little more interesting, try making the base tile go from a warm light grey to a cool dark grey. The Furry Fortress 2 sprites do this if you want to see an example:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on November 25, 2016, 04:15:35 am
Post by: AceSV on November 25, 2016, 10:15:44 am
Thanks for the tip, but none of them change colors.
I'm thinking more the trees and rocks and clothing so forth. I've been away. I'm seeing all your tiles all at once.
Post by: Meph on November 26, 2016, 11:11:23 am
Update 1.3
<<< Download Windows >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
<<< Download Mac >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12518)
<<< Download Linux >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12517)
<<< Download Barebones - Raws/Pngs only >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12516)
<<< Download Windows >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
<<< Download Mac >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12518)
<<< Download Linux >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12517)
<<< Download Barebones - Raws/Pngs only >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12516)
The new update adds mostly creature sprites. A lot of them. I managed to finish about 500 creatures, as well as a lot of semi-procedually generated sprites for forgotten beasts, titans, demons and nightcreatures. Still missing are about half of the insects, half of the mammals and most aquatic creatures.
Birds
(http://i.imgur.com/TmrRGws.png)
Mammals
(http://i.imgur.com/VE5QA28.png)
Reptiles/Snakes/etc
(http://i.imgur.com/LkkXpgq.png)
Insects/Arachnids/etc
(http://i.imgur.com/18qmEZX.png)
Demons, FBs, Nightcreatures, Titans
(http://i.imgur.com/j2gn64g.png)
You can see the overall progress of all creature sprites here:
Spoiler: Warning, large images (click to show/hide)
I made only about half the sprites myself, the other half I took from open-source/creative-commons material. The largest credit deserves Denzi.
Original artwork by:
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DENZI部屋のドット絵フリー素材は、クリエイティブ・コモンズ・ライセンス (http://www3.wind.ne.jp/DENZI/diary/) に基づいて公開しています。 （CC-by SA 表示-継承） https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ --- Medicine's crappy translation: "DENZI Room's pixel art (published at http://www3.wind.ne.jp/DENZI/diary/) is free material under the Creative Commons license (CC-BY-SA attribution, share alike) https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"
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Next update: I think I take a little break from creatures, because my eyes bleed. Instead I'll sit down working on decorations. Decorative items and buildings, like mirrors, clocks, flags, carpets... and with that you can help me. Please post suggestions and requests for decorations!
I'll also split the modded content, the new workshops/decorations, from the original files, making it easier for PeridexisErrant, Jecowa and co, to add the tileset to their LNPs, startpacks, etc. (Guys, this version I havent done that yet. Next update will have all new content in "*_Meph.txt" files)
Post by: DanielCoffey on November 26, 2016, 11:26:42 am
EDIT : I have an oddity to report on the Legend Templates in the Linux version of 1.3. Legend - Birds.png and Legends - Fish (WIP).png are not immediately recognised as PNG files by Image Viewer in Mint 18. They are shown as an unknown file of extension PNG and any attempt to open those two files gives "Fatal error reading PNG image file: Not a PNG file".
GIMP does open them perfectly without issue but reports them to be File Type : Windows BMP.
Post by: ZM5 on November 26, 2016, 01:50:26 pm
Also laughed at the turtle men - glad you decided to go for broke and gave some of the animal men more joke-y sprites ;p
Post by: Meph on November 26, 2016, 02:28:46 pm
I'd love to put some more easter eggs in, but I'm afraid it would be too much at some point.
Post by: zakhad on November 26, 2016, 07:34:48 pm
I've already commented on this before on the subreddit, but I really love the SNES era RPG sprites used for some of the creatures - so uncommon to see Lufia 2 or BOF2 get some recognition and love.
Also laughed at the turtle men - glad you decided to go for broke and gave some of the animal men more joke-y sprites ;p
I thought I recognised some of the icons lol, Tales of Phantasia, Chrono trigger, & Final Fantasty 3 & 4 should all have similar level of sprites, if you're looking for inspiration.
https://www.spriters-resource.com/snes/talephantasia/sheet/13774/
Post by: NakedFury on November 26, 2016, 09:21:42 pm
This keep getting better and better with each new update.
Post by: IDontNeedAUsername on November 28, 2016, 02:43:51 pm
I didn't know I needed spiders and demons until you gave them to me! You're so sweet!
Post by: Meph on November 28, 2016, 05:08:09 pm
Jokes aside, I can also add this:
(http://i.imgur.com/XlWg6iy.png)
And this:
(http://i.imgur.com/e69AncH.png)
Post by: Ph.D Banana on November 29, 2016, 10:22:39 pm
Post by: Follower on November 30, 2016, 04:32:20 am
1. Will ☼Masterwork☼ come with this set preinstalled? I suppose it has some MW-unique sprites. Can't wait to see all these beautiful tiles while wandering about with my adventurer. Or maybe it is already in and I just wasn't able to use it somehow?
2. I'm not very familiar with inner DF mechanics. Is it possible to generate sprites on go by merging a few images with transparent background? Like creatures and stuff already are put over the terrain, so maybe you somehow can separate weapons and profession tools and such, and then just stick them over generalized creature sprite, so you won't need to make like 100 images for every animal man race.
Post by: Meph on November 30, 2016, 10:10:28 am
1. Yes, its the default set for masterwork atm. But I havent ported everything yet, and Masterwork requires 1000~ new sprites that I havent made yet. Its a long way off to be complete for the mod.
2. No, sadly not.
Post by: Ph.D Banana on November 30, 2016, 08:03:43 pm
Post by: Meph on December 01, 2016, 10:31:29 am
Post by: Meph on December 01, 2016, 05:16:22 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/I9xiRUf.png)
<<< Download Windows >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
This week you get decorations. New, decorative workshops that are build like any other workshop, but they are for free. There are:
- Signs
- Lights
- Fountains
- Banners/Flags
- Carpets
- Floor tiles
- Display Racks
- Garden/Plants
- Objects (Misc items)
- Icons (Arrows only so far)
(http://i.imgur.com/aqOlRTo.png)
All in all about 160 in total. You build the workshop, then pick your wanted design in the reactions/jobs. Currently all decorations are free. I'm considering making them cost items; Blocks for floor tiles, Cloth for carpets, Weapons for the racks... it would cost the player more resources, but it makes it more realistic and allows the workshops to change color. Currently the colors are set, but I could make it take on the color of the build material.
Which is better? Free decorations or decorations that have a realistic cost?
Spoiler: statues (16) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: lights (13 x 2) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Racks (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Room examples (click to show/hide)
I also made new giant mushrooms for the caverns, instead of using the tiles from Phoebus, which are not 32x. The new ones are more stylized, I like them. If you think differently, let me know.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Credits: Sprites are done by me, some based on previous works of Denzi, Dibujor and Obsidian Soul (like the main tileset), and several decorations (Banners, Carpets, some floor tiles) have been taken from Celiannas (http://pixanna.nl/ (http://pixanna.nl/)) tilesets, which are free for non-commercial use with any game engine; to quote the website. She also has commercial tilesets, which are gorgeous, and I'm considering buying them, just to use a few tiles from them.
A few lonely sprites are taken from old SNES games, as before as easter eggs. There is a brazier from Secret of Mana, and a fountain from Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, the Doom Oven and Starcraft Zerg Creep floor.
Please make requests if you have ideas for other cool decorations. :)
Patreon: If you like where this set is going, please consider supporting me on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph). If people request it, I can use the money to buy licenses for Celiannas other sets.
Post by: Ph.D Banana on December 01, 2016, 05:40:33 pm
Is there any way to manually port over 1.4 to Masterwork?
Post by: Meph on December 01, 2016, 05:50:07 pm
PS: Peridexis/Jecowa: I splitted all the new content into *_meph.txt files and removed the ability of the campfire to start fires. That means the decorations are truly neutral; and no vanilla DF file, except for entity_default, with the permitted_workshop/reaction entries. But the workshops require the onload.init entries and roses building sub-type change script to work.
Post by: Donar on December 01, 2016, 06:45:36 pm
before booting the game it gives me two of this warning: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
In the main menu, there is no text but this: http://imgur.com/a/Zbu7J (http://imgur.com/a/Zbu7J)
Post by: Immortal-D on December 01, 2016, 10:28:11 pm
Post by: Meph on December 02, 2016, 02:24:07 am
I'm trying to get this working on Fedora 25 64-bit using this with 'official' df_linux from bay12 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158289.0).You are missing TWBT, and most likely Roses building-subytype-change scripts too.
before booting the game it gives me two of this warning: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
In the main menu, there is no text but this: http://imgur.com/a/Zbu7J (http://imgur.com/a/Zbu7J)
Post by: PeridexisErrant on December 02, 2016, 03:10:48 am
Post by: IDontNeedAUsername on December 02, 2016, 11:02:26 am
I also like the idea of decorations having a minimal cost.
Post by: daagar on December 02, 2016, 05:47:25 pm
Post by: LordBalkan on December 02, 2016, 10:06:01 pm
Post by: daagar on December 03, 2016, 02:55:51 pm
Sure there is a way, but you could just wait till tomorrow, when I do the MasterworkDF update with them. ;)
Oh oh! Is this still happening soon? This appears to be a great time to make the jump to MW, since I'm not sure I want to mess up trying to make all this awesome work with the Newbie Pack.
Post by: Ph.D Banana on December 03, 2016, 03:29:14 pm
Sure there is a way, but you could just wait till tomorrow, when I do the MasterworkDF update with them. ;)
Oh oh! Is this still happening soon? This appears to be a great time to make the jump to MW, since I'm not sure I want to mess up trying to make all this awesome work with the Newbie Pack.
I'm excited about this too! Especially since the MW launcher is extremely organized and comes with most utilities that are also in the lazy newb pack.
Post by: Kebab on December 04, 2016, 11:20:11 am
Sure there is a way, but you could just wait till tomorrow, when I do the MasterworkDF update with them. ;)
Well, Masterwork still not updated, so... How?
Post by: Meph on December 04, 2016, 03:54:35 pm
Sorry, the internet here is abysmal. I tried uploading, but it kep disconnecting/cancelling before the 160mb were up.Sure there is a way, but you could just wait till tomorrow, when I do the MasterworkDF update with them. ;)
Well, Masterwork still not updated, so... How?
Post by: Meph on December 09, 2016, 12:31:09 pm
Post by: DanielCoffey on December 09, 2016, 04:08:56 pm
Post by: Kebab on December 12, 2016, 12:50:00 pm
Could people please post screenshots using the set?Oh, really? Okay then! This is Malevich Square, aka Adventure Mode Building Screen. Fix it, please. Thanks.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on December 12, 2016, 04:46:02 pm
No.Could people please post screenshots using the set?Oh, really? Okay then! This is Malevich Square, aka Adventure Mode Building Screen. Fix it, please. Thanks.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Rose on December 12, 2016, 11:29:23 pm
Post by: Follower on December 13, 2016, 01:29:03 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Plants out there looks kinda very strange. Squirrel plants are rhubarbs, "small ugly guy" plants are galena, fairy ones are blackberry, stairs are leek plants and so on.
Post by: Kebab on December 13, 2016, 02:37:22 am
No.Аnd how about
Please report any issues you encounter?
Post by: Meph on December 13, 2016, 08:22:01 am
Are you using a very outdated version of the tileset; or did you load a save that was generated with a different set? Download the set again and generate a new world, I assure you that plants all have their own, unique graphics.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Plants out there looks kinda very strange. Squirrel plants are rhubarbs, "small ugly guy" plants are galena, fairy ones are blackberry, stairs are leek plants and so on.
1. You were rather rude. 2. Its a TWBT issue that affects all tilesets that use TWBT; if you want someone to fix it, be kind (not rude) to Mifki, not me.No.Аnd how aboutPlease report any issues you encounter?
Post by: DanielCoffey on December 13, 2016, 12:09:18 pm
Would it be possible to consider an additional six decoration tiles to support narrow 1-wide carpets? Narrow Carpet East-West, Narrow Carpet North-South, Narrow Carpet North End, Narrow Carpet South End, Narrow Carpet East End, Narrow Carpet West End.
This would allow a single-width straight runner of carpet down the center of a 3-wide hallway. It would not need to support carpets turning corners.
At the moment the carpet tiles support broad carpets for grand rooms and hallways and are perfect for 2-wide and greater carpets. I can clearly see how you can pick the outer edges, centers and corner pieces to build up broad carpets (apart from the inside piece of a corner... imagine a broad carpet running up a corridor and turning to the left or right... there is no piece for the inside of the corner where the pattern continues).
I looked in GIMP to see if the current carpet corner pieces could be reused 1-wide with their borders as is but by the time you add the current broad border to both sides, it covers almost all of the width. Any narrow carpets would really have to use narrower borders (keep the background, outer straight line and ornate patterns, just drop the inner line) and just be straight runs.
Thoughts?
EDIT : Something like this? It looks a little odd zoomed in where the middle sections meet the ends but it is pretty good at 100% zoom.
(http://www.dcoffey.co.uk/images/dwarffortress/NarrowCarpet.png)
Post by: Meph on December 13, 2016, 06:38:16 pm
Post by: Follower on December 14, 2016, 12:37:12 am
Post by: Meph on December 14, 2016, 01:42:24 pm
I used fresh install of Masterwork V1.23 there. I thought it was updated with current version of tileset.Please make masterwork mod feedback in the masterwork forum, not here. This is the vanilla set.
Did you use an old save?
Post by: Follower on December 15, 2016, 07:22:35 am
Post by: Vitor_Goatman on December 20, 2016, 08:55:39 am
It almost feels like Meph is trying to seduce Toady with their wonderful stuff.
Quote from: Meph
Toady senpai pls notice me look at what wonderful (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161047.165)things (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?board=24.0) I did for ur game
But seriously, your stuff is masterworkly great.
Post by: Rhinoserious on January 06, 2017, 01:56:14 pm
Thanks
Post by: DanielCoffey on January 06, 2017, 03:55:45 pm
Post by: Polywomple on January 08, 2017, 03:38:51 pm
Post by: IDontNeedAUsername on January 18, 2017, 04:28:44 pm
What are you looking for from screenshots?
I'm happy to post random shots as I'm having "fun", but was wondering if you're after something specific.
Post by: Rose on January 20, 2017, 07:57:46 am
Post by: Moridin920 on January 24, 2017, 11:56:23 am
Post by: Master Catfish on January 27, 2017, 12:24:47 am
My only criticism is that some of the sprites are different styles. I'm sure it's because you drew from old/unusued graphics packs, but it's occasionally jarring. I may be more sensitive to that than most, though.
Are there any other sets that use tile replacements? It's an important part of my DF experience now.
Post by: Ironlion on February 02, 2017, 02:39:08 am
Because of this preference, I sought to load a different tileset to export the map from legends, one with a bit more of an ascii feel because i'm more experienced reading those.
I ran into an error when switching though; missing a coal bonfire or something to that effect. So do the extra features included in this set make it incompatible with older sets that don't have those features?
Is there any way that I could "fix" the save to make it work with other tilesets?
Great work on this btw; I love the graphics here. I compared this to older sets and it just pops. I also am liking the upgraded tile size, 32 pixels is so much more aesthetically pleasing.
Post by: Rydel on February 02, 2017, 08:21:48 am
Do you have the exact error?
Also, try renaming the overrides.txt file and see if that fixes it.
Post by: Ironlion on February 02, 2017, 09:40:00 pm
I also could have settled on simply changing the palette as well.
Post by: StagnantSoul on February 02, 2017, 10:31:15 pm
Wish I was as good as you for pixel art, I'd love to include my Draconians in this.
Post by: Rydel on February 02, 2017, 10:55:01 pm
Post by: se5a on February 25, 2017, 09:46:11 am
Post by: veantur on February 26, 2017, 05:08:00 am
If yes where i cen get the installation guide?
Post by: Rose on February 27, 2017, 12:02:49 am
But Text Will be Text does, which this set uses, but Meph has nothing to do with that.
Post by: se5a on February 27, 2017, 09:45:07 am
it's been a long time since I've looked at this stuff so I don't remember the steps for installing a tileset properly. I'm assuming the download here includes the older version of DF rather than instructions for installing it, but maybe my assumption is incorrect.
Post by: Rydel on February 27, 2017, 05:44:11 pm
I don't think there have been any major raw changes in the latest version, so this should work fine.
As Japa mentioned, this tileset does support TWBT, which is much more sensitive to version changes, but that has already been updated for the lastest release.
Post by: se5a on March 01, 2017, 11:47:24 am
Quote
The tileset comes with a pre-installed Dwarf Fortress, dfhack and Text-will-be-text (TWBT) plugin. All you need to do is run DwarfFortress.exe.except the Linux version does not appear to include DF.
Post by: Rydel on March 01, 2017, 05:44:29 pm
If you're wanting to try it with a newer version of Dwarf Fortress, I would suggest
1. Install the latest version of Dwarf Fortress
2. Install the latest version of DFHack that TWBT supports (which, at the time of this post, should be the current one)
3. Install the latest version of TWBT
4. Install the barebones version of the tileset.
Post by: se5a on March 02, 2017, 11:52:51 am
actually I can probably maybe figure out how to extract just the graphics and tile-set from the download linked on the OP
Post by: Rydel on March 02, 2017, 05:40:58 pm
Post by: se5a on March 03, 2017, 01:34:03 pm
Post by: Vitor_Goatman on March 06, 2017, 02:10:43 pm
Post by: Rydel on March 06, 2017, 05:43:00 pm
If your mod edits the vanilla creature_, inorganic_, or plant_ files, or item_tools, it will conflict.
If it just adds new files it should be fine.
The changes to the raws should be small, so utilities that merge text files should be able to combine the modes without much difficulty.
Post by: se5a on March 11, 2017, 01:30:14 am
many kudos to hikop.
Also note that the bare bones tile-set has a minor error that will affect linux users: the font file is "font.png" (lowercase f) whereas the init file asks for "Font.png" (uppercase F)
Post by: ancient_vampire on March 15, 2017, 11:42:36 am
In v1.4, wooden cages show up as black tiles, while metal cages look like they should.
Post by: Nobak on April 01, 2017, 05:26:49 pm
Other issues I've been having, which I've also verified not to happen if I use TWBT print mode and a different tileset, or 2D print mode with this tileset, but which happen reliably if I copmbine both:
- Saving the game once using the game's save feature, then trying to load a game again after being returned to the menu, results in a crash with a weird error message about updating my PGU.
- Trying to switch the game to full screen when running instantly crashes
According to my findings, it seems I could just use another tileset and be done with it, but this one is just so gorgeous, I don't want to give up without a fight.
The version of the tileset that is bundled with my version of PyLNP seems to be v1.1, according to the manifest file.
Is there anything known about similar issues?
Any input is appreciated.
Update: Got the barebones 1.3 and plopped it down next to the other tilesets and switched to it with the launcher. Loading seems to work again. So whatever it was, seems like it's already fixed.
Post by: Obsidian Soul on April 10, 2017, 05:15:07 am
My only complaint at the moment is your base grass tile. The leaves are too long and coily and makes the exteriors noisy. More like overgrown vines rather than grasslands. Though they'd do well as wormy tendrils or even pigtails. Switching tree leaves and grass might also work. Other than that, I love everything in this. <3
Post by: Curious Key on April 19, 2017, 12:05:46 am
My poor attempts at flattery aside, I have a few questions:
Firstly, in the OP it says I need a display with 2500-ish width (can't recall the exact number) to not force it to downscale.
Is this true of the 16x16 as well as the 32x32 version? (forgive my technical illiteracy)
Also, for the 32x32, as this is quite a high resolution for a texture pack, should I expect a performance hit? (I'll be quite surprised if I shouldn't, frankly)
Again, this is fantastic work!
Post by: Rose on April 19, 2017, 12:15:43 am
Post by: Alkmayix on April 19, 2017, 06:26:19 pm
Compared to everything else in DF, having a bigger texture pack has negligible impact on performance.
Which is nice, I personally have bad eyes and the 8x8 is too small I need 16x16 or bigger or it's a bit tricky to make out in DF now...darned eyes. Rather funny how that works knowing how other games are.
Post by: Vordak on June 10, 2017, 10:38:56 am
(http://i.imgur.com/O1HXl7t.png)
Spoiler: more faces-V0.1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: faces-V0.2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: faces-V0.3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: some professions-v0.2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: helmets-v0.2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: some intermediate result (click to show/hide)
Post by: Heretic on June 28, 2017, 10:29:00 am
Post by: ZM5 on June 28, 2017, 01:12:26 pm
Post by: Vordak on July 08, 2017, 06:04:13 pm
Upd. 16.07.2017 - increased shoulder width.
Upd. 30.07.2017 - new patterns for soldiers and new beads.
Spoiler: some intermediate result-part II (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: some intermediate result-part III (click to show/hide)
Upd. 30.08.2017 - These sprites are not the latest version.
See more in Vordak`s 32x Dwarf Tileset (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165118.0).
Post by: Hommit on July 19, 2017, 10:57:56 am
If yes, any insctructions on mod features? Didn't play DF for a long while, so...
Post by: LeoCean on July 29, 2017, 01:49:28 am
Post by: Novurist on July 31, 2017, 05:45:44 am
Post by: Hassanbot on August 01, 2017, 02:40:09 pm
Spoiler: All of the black squares are wooden doors of different kinds of wood (click to show/hide)
Post by: LeoCean on August 02, 2017, 08:22:28 pm
Like in spacefox it has,
Quote
[OVERRIDE:186:B:DOOR:Door::3:197]#wood door
[OVERRIDE:186:I:DOOR:DOOR::3:197]#wood door
[OVERRIDE:240:B:DOOR:Door::3:198]#metal door
[OVERRIDE:240:I:DOOR:DOOR::3:198]#metal door
Just search for Door, it is not guaranteed to look like my example as the (3) will be different and could be the name of the override tileset instead. Main thing you are looking for is if there is a B(building) and I(item, so when it's moved or in the stockpile). If you got them both, well idk I feel like I've seen the issue before but idk at the moment what causes it, does it happen to all doors that are in the stockpile? or even some that are built? because that could be caused by how the image was made.
Post by: -A_Dwarven_Bard- on August 30, 2017, 08:59:17 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 05, 2017, 08:24:30 am
the LNP only got a severly cut version of this.
Post by: LeoCean on September 08, 2017, 10:04:10 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 09, 2017, 07:26:07 am
Post by: McFeel on September 09, 2017, 12:40:00 pm
Post by: LeoCean on September 17, 2017, 03:42:44 pm
Post by: Thundercraft on October 03, 2017, 12:32:24 am
However, I really want to use this with DF 0.43.05.
Ignoring any new creatures or tiles that 43.05 has that 43.03 lacks, what would it take to manually update this to function with 43.05? Could I just download the barebones version and use that, perhaps using Winmerge to compare and update any files that need updating?
I took a look at the files in the download and there is a lot of extra stuff. And some of it depends on DFHack and TWBT...
...There's nothing wrong or especially unstable with DF 0.43.05 itself; the problem is just that tools like DFHack and Dwarf Therapist aren't available for it yet.
Fast forward almost 12 months... Aren't most of the tools like DFHack and Dwarf Therapist now available for 0.43.05?
Are there currently any plans to update this to 0.43.05? (Also, I noticed that version 1.4 did not have a barebones release or seperate versions for Linux or OSX...)
P.S.: Are there any plans to incorporate some TWBT Next (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=163298.0) features in a future release?
Post by: YDraigAur on October 05, 2017, 09:01:51 pm
Post by: Thundercraft on October 05, 2017, 10:05:23 pm
[BUILD_LABOR:SOAP_MAKER]
[BUILD_KEY:CUSTOM_SHIFT_S]
But in Meph Tileset v1.4, bulding_custom.txt is missing the [BUILD_LABOR:SOAP_MAKER] tag. Was it omitted on purpose? Wouldn't this prevent the Soap Maker's Workshop (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Soap_maker%27s_workshop) from allowing workers to produce soap? (From the DF2014:Labor_token (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Labor_token) page, it looks like a required tag.)
I also noticed that the BUILD_KEY tag was changed to:
[BUILD_KEY:CUSTOM_SHIFT_P]
But, I figured the BUILD_KEY was changed to make room for the custom workshops you added in your building_meph.txt file. Could it be that you accidentally deleted the [BUILD_LABOR:SOAP_MAKER] line when you only meant to change the BUILD_KEY? If that's the case, it's understandable. Accidentally deleting the line immediately above what you're trying to edit is easy to do.
Edit:
I found another bug / typo. In item_tool.txt (in /raw/objects/), scroll down to ITEM_TOOL_NEST_BOX and:
Line 143 ; Reverted "[VALUE:255]10" back to: [VALUE:10]
Line 146 ; Changed "[TILE:8]" to: [TILE:255]8
(Likely, you were getting drowsy or bleary-eyed, which happens to all of us. ;) )
Using WinMerge to compare nearly everything, I think that I've isolated what needs to be changed to update to v0.43.05.
In creature_next_underground.txt (in /raw/objects/), scroll down to GORLAK and:
Line 2216 ; Deleted this line: [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RELSIZES]
Line 2278 (or so) ; After "[EQUIPS]", added this line: [CANOPENDOORS]
In creature_standard.txt (in /raw/objects/), scroll down to KOBOLD and:
Line 1271 ; Changed (reduced agility) to: [PHYS_ATT_RANGE:AGILITY:700:1200:1400:1500:1600:1800:2500]
Optionally (no gameplay impact), you might also:
In init.txt (in /data/init/):
Line 46 ; Changed "As of May 2016," to: As of July 2016,
Post by: Thundercraft on October 07, 2017, 01:41:16 pm
- Meph Tileset v1.4.3 for Windows 64-bit 0.43.05 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13124)
- Meph Tileset v1.4.3 for 0.43.05 (barebones) (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13125)
And I did send a PM to Meph about this.
Also, as mentioned here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=138754.msg7585874#msg7585874) in the TwbT topic, recent releases of TwbT now require the included transparent1px.png and white1px.png files to be located in the /data/art/ folder. TwbT will fail to load without these, so they should probably be included in future releases of Meph Tileset and other graphics sets that use TwbT.
Post by: Hylum on October 13, 2017, 03:26:43 pm
Post by: Amostubal on October 19, 2017, 02:11:03 pm
Post by: Antmf on October 21, 2017, 09:20:36 am
Post by: Thundercraft on October 21, 2017, 04:03:34 pm
Can this pack be installed in the LNP and if so how?
If you use a Windows PC or by "LNP" you are referring to PeridexisErrant's Starter Pack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126076.0), then it may be easy as I released a pack to easily install onto that here (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13141). (Though, as I state in the description: This is provided as-is. As this is untested, I make no guarantees, implied or otherwise. And, so far, nobody has given me any feedback, despite 11 downloads.)
OTOH, if you are on Linux, you need Enay's Unofficial Lazy Newb Pack, or if you're on a Mac, you need the Lazy Mac Pack. (The original "Lazy Newb Pack" was split up many versions ago, as explained on the wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/Utility:Lazy_Newb_Pack).) I am unsure whether or not my package for PeridexisErrant's Starter Pack would work for Enay's Newb Pack or the Lazy Mac Pack. If not, it's probably a good starting point.
Hey Thundercraft... do you do graphics? was wondering if you was interested in turning Meph's tileset into a "twbt next" tileset.... that would make it more cool than anything else I can think of.
Actually, I'm just a tinkerer. I've never been heavily involved in a graphics pack before. I saw that the Meph Tileset was outdated (particularly the barebones version) and I wanted to update it so I could use it... so I did. And, honestly, what I did was not very much.
That said, I do have interest in adding sprites for some of the creatures that Meph Tileset is still missing... when I feel motivated to work on it again. It's just my nature that I have difficulty sticking to one thing for very long before I have to switch to something else. But, I'll probably get back to it before too long.
As for turning Meph Tileset into a "twbt next" graphics set: That'd be awesome! I suggested as much in a PM I sent Meph some two weeks or so ago. However, I feel that attempting this by myself is over my head. At least, I'd be more comfortable (and motivated) in adding sprites for more creatures.
Post by: Lothian on November 11, 2017, 09:16:48 am
I make no guarantees, implied or otherwise. And, so far, nobody has given me any feedback, despite 11 downloads.)
Downloaded them the other day there, put together, will send back and issues that prop up. Got far too used to using Meph's for the last edition.
Post by: Megaman_zx on November 23, 2017, 01:42:57 pm
Post by: Rose on November 23, 2017, 02:02:30 pm
Wait a few days.
Post by: Megaman_zx on November 23, 2017, 02:15:13 pm
apparently it's a TWBT issue. I found this fix: df/data/init/init.txt -> Replace [PRINT_MODE:TWBT] with [PRINT_MODE:STANDARD]
The problem with that is it replaces all the text with tiles, so it is unplayable.
edit: looking around on Google, it looks like TWBT isn't compatible with Adventure mode fast travel, and I should choose a different tyleset, or use ASCII.
edit: Fixed it: I set [PRINT_MODE:TWBT_LEGACY] and it fixed it.
edit: Never mind, certain words are readable, but most menus are still gibberish.
Edit: I tried installing the latest version of TWBT and at first it crashed, but then I wandered off site to test a bug in the older version where the adventure (b)uild menu was a black screen, and after fast traveling from my site, it worked. Not sure why. It seems to crash half the time now, it will work, and then randomly decide to stop working.
Edit: Just in case anyone wants to look for a fix, I am using the 43.05 version uploaded by Thundercraft, mainly so I can use the latest DFHack to use the latest version of Armok Viision.
Post by: Hylum on November 24, 2017, 04:47:45 pm
Post by: jecowa on November 30, 2017, 05:47:35 am
Post by: Jostino on December 05, 2017, 05:55:59 am
I could probably update this graphics pack for 0.44.x, but this is a pack is not designed to work without Text will be Text. So it might not be very useful at this point to have it updated. We might give him some more time to see if he wants to come back and work on it some more. If he doesn't want to work on it at the moment, this pack might be a good candidate to add to the DFGraphics Repo. Sticking it on there would make it easier to keep updated and distributed.it will be amazing be able to play the v44 with this graphics <3
Post by: Brynjar on December 06, 2017, 04:44:03 am
Post by: Meph on December 08, 2017, 08:29:33 pm
Post by: PeridexisErrant on December 09, 2017, 07:49:45 am
I'll read through everything I've missed. I skimmed it, thank you for the kind words and the adaptations of the tileset. I might do a quick vanilla version without twbt/dfhack for the new df. After all, this was the last thing I worked on, and there are still creature sprites missing.
https://github.com/jecowa/Meph is a good starting point.
Post by: Meph on December 10, 2017, 08:52:16 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Q3qKYPv.png)
Lets welcome the mothman, tickman, louseman, thripsman, slugman, mosquito man, cave spiderman, brown recluse spiderman, snailman, grasshopperman and moonsnailman.
Post by: PhenomTaker on December 10, 2017, 10:23:56 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on December 11, 2017, 02:33:26 am
Post by: Meph on December 11, 2017, 10:03:49 am
Another ten: Dragonfly, Dragonflyman, Grasshopper, Mantis, Platypusman, Stoatman, Lynxman, Antman, Flying Squirrelman, Giant Olm, Olmman.
Post by: 90908 on December 12, 2017, 08:14:16 am
Post by: Acolyte on December 14, 2017, 01:48:49 am
Off the wall thought, though - transparent stockpiles? Not completely, but enough to see under.
I have no idea if this is even possible/worth the effort but it'd be kind of neat to see your floor tiles under the stockpile. Or perhaps the middle taken out of the stockpile tile, leaving a grid pattern over the floor tiles.
Just a curiosity, thought I'd ask a much more talented artist than I.
Thanks!
- Shane
Post by: jecowa on December 14, 2017, 04:14:16 am
transparent stockpiles? Not completely, but enough to see under.
That's a good idea. I don't think it can do partial-transparency, but TWBT-Next (Text Will Be Text multi-layer rendering) might be able to let you get a checkerboard effect (so that half the pixels are completely transparent and the other half are completely opaque) if Mifki is able to add the stockpile as one of the supported items. I believe he has to add support for each item one-at-a-time, so not everything supports TWBT-Next yet.
Post by: Amostubal on December 14, 2017, 11:22:21 am
transparent stockpiles? Not completely, but enough to see under.
That's a good idea. I don't think it can do partial-transparency, but TWBT-Next (Text Will Be Text multi-layer rendering) might be able to let you get a checkerboard effect (so that half the pixels are completely transparent and the other half are completely opaque) if Mifki is able to add the stockpile as one of the supported items. I believe he has to add support for each item one-at-a-time, so not everything supports TWBT-Next yet.
hmm STOCKPILE:Stockpile is already in TWBT, it should already be switching the tile.... as far as transparent, I've switched tiles in shops and etc to a transparent tile... it generally doesn't show the floor... it shows the next floor below it, as if the floor is missing... If there is a wall beneath the tile, it just shows the top of the wall, or whatever else is down there.
Post by: Meph on December 15, 2017, 09:37:42 am
Finished another 10 creatures.
(https://i.imgur.com/jbAImOx.png)
Capybara, Capybaraman, Nautilusman, Orca, Orcaman, Octopusman, Crabman, Spongeman (ripped from a GBA game), Leopard seal, Cuttlefishman and Cuttlefish.
Edit: Make it 20.
(https://i.imgur.com/gzw9qGT.png)
Walrus, Leopard Sealman, Harp Sealman, Harp Seal, Elephant Sealman, Badgerman, Mooseman, Buzzard, Horseshoe Crab, Horseshoe Crabman, Sperm Whaleman.
Post by: Meph on December 15, 2017, 02:13:48 pm
UPDATE!
<<< ☼Download☼ - V1.5 for DF 43.05 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
Four important additions.
1. 40+ new creature sprites. Please excuse the Cave Spider Man and the Sponge Man.
(https://i.imgur.com/Q3qKYPv.png)
Mothman, Tickman, Louseman, Thripsman, Slugman, Mosquito man, Cave spiderman, Brown recluse spiderman, Snailman, Grasshopperman and Moonsnailman.
(https://i.imgur.com/Q1mnKOr.png)
Dragonfly, Dragonflyman, Grasshopper, Mantis, Platypusman, Stoatman, Lynxman, Antman, Flying Squirrelman, Giant Olm, Olmman.
(https://i.imgur.com/jbAImOx.png)
Capybara, Capybaraman, Nautilusman, Orca, Orcaman, Octopusman, Crabman, Spongeman (ripped from a GBA game), Leopard seal, Cuttlefishman and Cuttlefish.
(https://i.imgur.com/gzw9qGT.png)
Walrus, Leopard Sealman, Harp Sealman, Harp Seal, Elephant Sealman, Badgerman, Mooseman, Buzzard, Horseshoe Crab, Horseshoe Crabman, Sperm Whaleman.
2. Upgrade to DF version 43.05, aka 64bit support.
3. Far less noise. Walls, floors, grass, pebbles and rocks are more seamless and less intrusive. No hard borders either, grass and pebbles now blend into each other.
(https://i.imgur.com/LKO2PZ0.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hHBq48G.png)
4. ENGRAVINGS! Engraving walls and floors now shows runes/script on them. Somehow I never got around to add this before.
Spoiler: Larger image (click to show/hide)
Special thanks to Thundercraft, who made a 43.05 update while I was away and found a few issues, like the missing build-labor for the soap-maker workshop and a wrong value on nest-boxes, as well as more agile kobolds and less stupid gorlaks. :) Those fixes have been incorporated in this upload.
Next: I'll have a look at DF 44.02 and TWBT for it... and the remaining creature sprites. Of 780 animals, I have about 680 done now... 100 to go.
Post by: Hylum on December 15, 2017, 07:46:33 pm
Post by: Meph on December 15, 2017, 08:38:20 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/gZVomR3.png)
Post by: Sanctume on December 16, 2017, 03:03:47 am
I gen a world, started a fort, pause and save.
Upon continue, I get this error
(https://i.imgur.com/2mewcfp.png)
Post by: Meph on December 16, 2017, 08:10:40 am
Edit: I know what I'm doing next... corpses.
Twbt allows overrides for these, which is great. I can't do one for each creature (max overrides per item type are 256), but I want to do one for each type of creature.
I got those so far: Misc, Humanoid, Snake, small mammal, lizard, bird, small humanoid, canine, ursine, dwarf (done by Obsidian Soul), feline and fish. Not sure how to do corpses of insects... anything I missed? I want to be pretty sure before I start assigning 767 creature tiles. :D
(https://i.imgur.com/h1vwUL7.png)
Post by: jecowa on December 16, 2017, 07:21:51 pm
Spoiler: insect gore (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hylum on December 16, 2017, 08:30:29 pm
Post by: Acolyte on December 16, 2017, 09:52:40 pm
- Shane
Post by: Meph on December 17, 2017, 01:54:26 am
Will this also work with the latest 44.02 with DFHack and Twbt?Not yet. I have a version with raws for 44.02, but Twbt isnt finished yet for 44.02. It works, but only parts of it.
Post by: Hylum on December 18, 2017, 02:56:57 am
Cool thanks for the update! Cant wait!Will this also work with the latest 44.02 with DFHack and Twbt?Not yet. I have a version with raws for 44.02, but Twbt isnt finished yet for 44.02. It works, but only parts of it.
Post by: Hylum on December 18, 2017, 02:59:12 am
Post by: Meph on December 18, 2017, 03:40:06 am
Post by: Hylum on December 18, 2017, 05:05:51 pm
I've already talked to Peridexis about it. He wants it in the pack, but only for 44.02. Not the old DF version, obviously. Since I make heavy use of TWBT, that might take a bit.
I understand it takes time and work. If possible it would be great to see your graphics in the 44.02 pack in the future!
Post by: Meph on December 20, 2017, 10:46:51 am
(http://i.imgur.com/j9f84nu.png)
<<< ☼Download☼ - V1.6 for DF 43.05 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
Another huge update coming up. :) This one includes several new features and a vast improvement in overall noise reduction. Everything looks much cleaner, rocks and ore veins blend together, items have transparency, trees are finally interesting and more...
1. All trees now have their fitting flowers, pollen, seeds and fruits.
100+ Fruits, Nuts, Seeds and Flowers
(https://i.imgur.com/udAUaTR.png)
2. Twbt-Next. Most items now show the tile that below them. Sounds simple, but it visually a massive change. It also allows them to use several extra colors. For example wooden handles of iron swords will always show as brown, the blade as grey, and the background taken from the tile below it. This is true for terrain features as well, for example spider-webs; and buildings, for example cages.
Transparency. Over 160 items are now shown with a transparent background.
(https://i.imgur.com/pKDNaSq.png)
3. Mining has never looked so clean. The same transparency can be used on inorganics. So I standardized the rock sprite, but made the unique features see-through. Now tiny veins of ore can be seen through the cracks in the rock, gem-stones appear without changing the rock color, etc.
Neutral ores, gems and rocks that seamlessly blend into each other.
(https://i.imgur.com/qcwOSQh.png)
4. Tree colors. I decided to change the color on the leaves for nearly each tree, making them either brighter/darker or less/more saturated than their neighbours. It gives a nice effect in forests and stops the different trees from all looking exactly the same.
All trees have slightly offset colors and show their pollen, seeds, flowers and fruits.
This, in combination with season-palette, allows for a colorful change over the ingame year.
5. Extra colors. Twbt allows to use more than just the 16 colors that DF offers, which means that bright-red rubies, fire opals, tourmalines, pyrope and zircons can be 5 different shades of bright-red.
I got the idea from Dragonmaster, who recently released a fantastic 16x tileset here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168704.0). I've added his rendition of metal colors in this update, as a test-run.
More ingame colors than just the 16 standard DF colors.
(https://i.imgur.com/G1FvU6k.png)
6. Toned down sufrace clutter. I made the grass more uniform, with only minor changes between grass types. Ramps are simplified. Rocks and pebbles blend into the grass background, and all plants have been made a bit darker and 1/3 smaller. Tuber, roots and trunks blend into the grass, as if they were buried a bit.
Friendly surface without distractions.
Hope you like the update. :) Please post screenshots and let me know if any issues arise. Next I'll work on more sprites for creature and corpses. I'm sure they can be improved quite a bit, especially for domestic war/hunt versions, which you see a lot more than any other animal ingame.
Cheers,
Meph
<<< ☼Download☼ - V1.6.1 for DF 44.02 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13329)
Comes pre-installed with df, dfhack and twbt.
Another huge update coming up. :) This one includes several new features and a vast improvement in overall noise reduction. Everything looks much cleaner, rocks and ore veins blend together, items have transparency, trees are finally interesting and more...
1. All trees now have their fitting flowers, pollen, seeds and fruits.
100+ Fruits, Nuts, Seeds and Flowers
(https://i.imgur.com/udAUaTR.png)
2. Twbt-Next. Most items now show the tile that below them. Sounds simple, but it visually a massive change. It also allows them to use several extra colors. For example wooden handles of iron swords will always show as brown, the blade as grey, and the background taken from the tile below it. This is true for terrain features as well, for example spider-webs; and buildings, for example cages.
Transparency. Over 160 items are now shown with a transparent background.
(https://i.imgur.com/pKDNaSq.png)
3. Mining has never looked so clean. The same transparency can be used on inorganics. So I standardized the rock sprite, but made the unique features see-through. Now tiny veins of ore can be seen through the cracks in the rock, gem-stones appear without changing the rock color, etc.
Neutral ores, gems and rocks that seamlessly blend into each other.
(https://i.imgur.com/qcwOSQh.png)
4. Tree colors. I decided to change the color on the leaves for nearly each tree, making them either brighter/darker or less/more saturated than their neighbours. It gives a nice effect in forests and stops the different trees from all looking exactly the same.
All trees have slightly offset colors and show their pollen, seeds, flowers and fruits.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This, in combination with season-palette, allows for a colorful change over the ingame year.
Spoiler: WARNING! Large image (click to show/hide)
5. Extra colors. Twbt allows to use more than just the 16 colors that DF offers, which means that bright-red rubies, fire opals, tourmalines, pyrope and zircons can be 5 different shades of bright-red.
I got the idea from Dragonmaster, who recently released a fantastic 16x tileset here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168704.0). I've added his rendition of metal colors in this update, as a test-run.
More ingame colors than just the 16 standard DF colors.
(https://i.imgur.com/G1FvU6k.png)
6. Toned down sufrace clutter. I made the grass more uniform, with only minor changes between grass types. Ramps are simplified. Rocks and pebbles blend into the grass background, and all plants have been made a bit darker and 1/3 smaller. Tuber, roots and trunks blend into the grass, as if they were buried a bit.
Friendly surface without distractions.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hope you like the update. :) Please post screenshots and let me know if any issues arise. Next I'll work on more sprites for creature and corpses. I'm sure they can be improved quite a bit, especially for domestic war/hunt versions, which you see a lot more than any other animal ingame.
Cheers,
Meph
Post by: Meph on December 20, 2017, 01:27:23 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/XmcFlSc.png)
The point in the design is, that the giant mushrooms often get wedged in single-tile labyrinths in the caverns, not showing their mushroomy shape. So I made them more of a tangle of organic growth, which would hopefully fit both; the giant mushroom standing apart and the mushroom stuff growing down hallways.
So, more like a mushroom mycelium, than a traditional giant mushroom.
Post by: Bumber on December 20, 2017, 03:56:11 pm
Post by: Meph on December 20, 2017, 04:29:01 pm
Post by: Acolyte on December 20, 2017, 06:12:55 pm
Thanks for this, it looks fantastic!
- Shane
Post by: Meph on December 20, 2017, 06:25:07 pm
So, for dropping this into an existing game, which RAWs have been modified? Specifically I'm wondering about the Creature_Standard and Entity_Default.Tools, all plant files, all creature files, all inorganic files, descriptors... all raw/graphic files. Entity default only for the modded decoration workshops, which can't be added to a saved game.
Thanks for this, it looks fantastic!
- Shane
Could you send me the save? I'll see what happens if updated.
Post by: Acolyte on December 20, 2017, 06:43:15 pm
So, for dropping this into an existing game, which RAWs have been modified? Specifically I'm wondering about the Creature_Standard and Entity_Default.Tools, all plant files, all creature files, all inorganic files, descriptors... all raw/graphic files. Entity default only for the modded decoration workshops, which can't be added to a saved game.
Thanks for this, it looks fantastic!
- Shane
Could you send me the save? I'll see what happens if updated.
Sure!..... How do I do that? Just PM you?
Oh, and the folder for the 44.02 Alpha is still named 43.05.
- Shane
Post by: Meph on December 20, 2017, 07:03:26 pm
Post by: Acolyte on December 20, 2017, 07:19:07 pm
Post or send me the download link as you like. :)
Never mind - got it to work. :) Just had to copy my mods over to your RAW files. Nothing extreme - I just remove rust from the dwarves, make the nobles show up later, change the insects and worms that poultry should eat to [EDIBLE_GROUND_BUG] to get rid of the excess vermin they create with the rooting behavior and up the size of the smaller domestic animals to provide a little meat when butchered. That's about it.
This is a great set - are you going to be adding it to the LNP?
- Shane
Post by: Meph on December 20, 2017, 07:50:58 pm
Could I please still have the save? I really need to see a larger fort, to find bugs. ;)
Post by: Acolyte on December 20, 2017, 10:52:51 pm
PeridexisErrant got the link to add it, yes.
Could I please still have the save? I really need to see a larger fort, to find bugs. ;)
Can't seem to get an attachment to .... attach. Do I need dropbox or something?
- Shane
Post by: Meph on December 20, 2017, 11:13:10 pm
Found lots of small stuff I want to improve, but nothing horribly broken. :)
Post by: Meph on December 21, 2017, 08:45:53 pm
Today I worked on machines. Siege engines are the toughest items to work on, it's insane how convulated their design is, due to being multi-tile workshops that turn, without turning their tiles. Instead they realign them, so it's a 9 piece puzzle that always has to look good in any configuration. Here the results:
(https://i.imgur.com/wYeAdn9.jpg)
I think it turned out quite alright, all things considered. Ballista-parts and Catapult-parts also show different sprites now, so you can keep them apart with one look. Siege ammo looks a lot more solid and heavy now.
Please let me know what you think about the trap components... which ones would you like to see added?
Next I'll have a look at the axles, gear assemblies, screw pump, windmill and waterwheel.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on December 21, 2017, 09:50:15 pm
Post by: Meph on December 21, 2017, 11:29:16 pm
Progress. :)
Post by: jecowa on December 22, 2017, 02:58:14 am
Post by: Meph on December 22, 2017, 04:30:48 am
New screw pump. I remade a 32x version from scratch of a similar design to Dorens 24x set. Much cleaner.
Post by: Amostubal on December 22, 2017, 10:15:39 am
Post by: Vordak on December 22, 2017, 11:29:12 am
About different different graphic for constructed and smoothed wall.
I think that they should be almost identical, but only constructed wall must look like brickwork.
Spoiler: Example walls (click to show/hide)
Drawn of saw blade
(https://i.imgur.com/VYgLq3e.png)
Post by: Meph on December 22, 2017, 11:38:24 am
Ingame (and in the files), they are 1-on-1 the same. Same for the tracks, no changes.
Post by: Sanctume on December 22, 2017, 12:24:16 pm
The floor and dirt walls blends fairly well so it's hard to see at a glance when 3-wide hallway is dug with door-less 3x3 workshops.
Post by: Meph on December 22, 2017, 02:07:48 pm
I kinda don't like how hard it is to see my temporay fort dug in the soil layer.In dirt they should look very distinct. Do you mean sand?
The floor and dirt walls blends fairly well so it's hard to see at a glance when 3-wide hallway is dug with door-less 3x3 workshops.
Finding out about the moon-indicator tile through the wiki, I tried improving it. Ended up improving the entire ingame menu, except for the moon tile (which uses text unfortunately).
(https://i.imgur.com/xrzIq0q.jpg)
Post by: DragonDePlatino on December 22, 2017, 04:46:31 pm
Where does the wall end and the floor begin in that screw pump screenshot? The wall tiles should be a little brighter than the floor tiles to let the player know at a glance what is solid or nonsolid. I tend to heavily exaggerate the difference but you should have this as an absolute minimum:
(https://i.imgur.com/uKtw3im.png)
Post by: Sanctume on December 22, 2017, 06:26:50 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on December 22, 2017, 08:27:15 pm
So many adjustments to make. ^^ I'll have a look at sand walls/floors again.
Btw, somehow I stumbled upon a way to:
- Give trees up to three colors that radiate outwards.
- Make multiple tree types.
Still cant figure out if it possible to make several sapling-types, but I guess I still have more work to do on trees now. :D
(https://i.imgur.com/agP0EAo.png)
Post by: jecowa on December 22, 2017, 08:47:27 pm
Btw, somehow I stumbled upon a way to:
- Give trees up to three colors that radiate outwards.
Is this achieved by combining multi-layer (NEXT) rendering with multi-level rendering?
Also, I've been looking at the changes in version 1.6, and I'm curious about the changes to creature_domestic.txt. It sets the Cat tile to use the Cage graphic and sets a bunch of other animals to use wall graphics. Was this intentional?
By the way, if you rename `Meph_plants.png` to `_Meph_plants.png` it will let the LNP software know that it's an overrides tilesheet and prevent users from selecting it as their graphics or font tilesheet. If you do this, though, don't forget to also update the reference in overrides.txt file.
Post by: Meph on December 23, 2017, 04:20:56 am
No, it's three different sprites. One with all the branches, one overrides for all twigs, one override for just leaves.
Edit: Sorry, forgot to answer your question about creature tiles. That's just left-overs from tests. As you know I want to give each creature a corpse-tile... but creature in build cages blink in their tile-number, which can't be overriden... I had to scrap that. Then I made a new system, using 2 cage tiles, and an override for the second cage tile that will be the corpse. It works, but for each corpse-type I need a tile in the original tileset.
Sounds convoluted, which is true, but the only way to go about it without problems. Otherwise creatures in cages blink in all sorts of graphics that no one wants.
Post by: Amostubal on December 23, 2017, 08:19:44 am
Drawn of saw blade
(https://i.imgur.com/VYgLq3e.png)
NUMBER 3! PICK 3 MELORD 3!!!!!! (sorry shrek quoting) but still 3 is better than all the blades I've seen.
Post by: Vordak on December 23, 2017, 08:22:20 am
Spoiler: New tracks (click to show/hide)
Post by: Amostubal on December 23, 2017, 09:02:53 am
It seems to me that my rails\tracks do not correspond to the nature of the movement of minecarts. Below you can see new rails.Spoiler: New tracks (click to show/hide)
Yeah I noticed those... they look pretty, but the fact that a minecart tries to remain going straight through a T or + intersection. makes the originals appear as false turns.
the + still needs some sort of appearance of providing turns as a dwarf ordered to push across one will still make a turn on it. the new + looks like the N-S E-W are forced and turning isn't allowed.
Post by: Vordak on December 23, 2017, 09:46:10 am
the + still needs some sort of appearance of providing turns as a dwarf ordered to push across one will still make a turn on it. the new + looks like the N-S E-W are forced and turning isn't allowed.
I think, in real life, it does not seem that two railways that intersect at 90 degrees have normal fork with the possibility of changing the direction of motion - there is always a rather confusing denouement - but I'm not a specialist railroader, I can be wrong.
How in DF works + fork have no idea - never used rails.
Аnyway, I drew what you described. Previous post updated.
Spoiler: Track + forks (click to show/hide)
Post by: Amostubal on December 23, 2017, 10:33:48 am
the + still needs some sort of appearance of providing turns as a dwarf ordered to push across one will still make a turn on it. the new + looks like the N-S E-W are forced and turning isn't allowed.
I think, in real life, it does not seem that two railways that intersect at 90 degrees have normal fork with the possibility of changing the direction of motion - there is always a rather confusing denouement - but I'm not a specialist railroader, I can be wrong.
How in DF works + fork have no idea - never used rails.
Аnyway, I drew what you described. Previous post updated.Spoiler: Track + forks (click to show/hide)
number 3 is more like how it functions, it can allow a dwarf to "guide" it but the implied direction of movement in "pushed" or "ride" mode is straight unless a wall is present.
how carts work:
lets say you have this setup:
Code: [Select]
1---+---3
|
2
where 1,2,3 are defined track route stops. If a dwarf is ordered to push|ride at point 1 he will give the cart a shove and the cart wont turn at the + and continue until it reaches 3(and if there is no wall beyond 3 and no actual track stop building that can break it, it wont stop it will just keep going). At that point a dwarf will retrieve the cart and drag it to point 2 along the straightest route...even over no track. if 2 is also a push|ride he would then shove it and it would continue north past the + if there is no wall, otherwise stopping at the + if there is a wall past it. At which point the dwarf drags it to point 3 and if it was the same thing... at least then the cart would reach point 1 and hopefully there is a wall and it stops there and a dwarf doesn't have to drag it back to one.
If the dwarf is ordered to guide it, he would move it from 1 to 2 then 2 to 3 then 3 to 1(if 2 and 3 are guides too). at the + or T or any other turn he would make the appropriate turn needed to finish the path. guided routes across connected track is the easiest to ensure completion. Of course this means a dwarf has to follow the cart everywhere.
Fun is when you design complex automated cart systems with ejectors, impulse ramps, decelerator rooms, dumping track stops, and all the other fun stuff that one can build. at which point the + T intersections are the least useful unless they are built on ramps. Even more fun is when you design it with riders and make it into a roller coaster and try not loose your passenger as you move it through system... The greatest fun is when you use it to eject material in complex assault systems that allow you to grapeshot the tavern with a cart full of daggers...
The main point of carts and tracks is to remember that shoved carts will follow curves only when they are 1-in-1-out or if its on a ramp and only 1 out is to the lower floor. The cart will remain on the track as long as its under derailment speed(which without impulses or other ramp tracks is easy) or there is a wall blocking the forward movement(and thus also blocking derailment), forcing the cart to stay on the track and seek a single lower exit from the tile. additionally track tiles main purpose is to reduce the friction of the cart against the surface.
so if a cart is moving at decent speed and reaches a set of tracks that look like this:
Code: [Select]
----|||||||+++----
It will move across these as if they as a straight line. even if a dwarf is told to guide across these... the dwarf will get confused and just start dragging the cart across the straight distance... which means he will drag across these and the friction is less anyway on these tiles... well as long as there isn't a straighter path available that circumvents these tiles,such as this:Code: [Select]
+------------------1
|WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWW - walls with a gap in it. and the track doesn't connect so the dwarf will just drag from 1 to 2 through the gap.
+----|||||||+++----2
I could build some actual track images and explain some of this a lot better with images. but I think that covers what we was discussing.
Post by: Meph on December 23, 2017, 11:03:04 am
I'm not sure if this one is better or worse, but I tried another thing with the font. I wanted something that fits the theme of DF, 14th century, so I went with the embossed capital letters...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vordak on December 23, 2017, 07:01:31 pm
original(https://i.imgur.com/zWmOexM.gif) v01(https://i.imgur.com/bMV7oI1.gif) v02(https://i.imgur.com/y9nlNfx.gif) v03(https://i.imgur.com/6uGhuum.gif) v04(https://i.imgur.com/vHSR2Gx.gif)
Spoiler: Axis-v01 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Axis-v02 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Axis-v03 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Axis-v04 (click to show/hide)
Upd. Added a shadow on the gears.
Upd 2. Minor fixes. All sprites have been updated.
Post by: Meph on December 23, 2017, 07:20:02 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/K9wWAV0.png)
Maybe we should communicate more. :D
It's amazing how you can see something here and immediately improve it. Those machines were Dorens sprite, for phoebus. The millstone was from Obsidian Soul. Now you remade both, thinner, clearer and with a design that fits together. That's so good.
Just out of curiousity (and to avoid working on similar areas): Do you have any ideas on which sprites you will work next?
Post by: Vordak on December 23, 2017, 07:43:00 pm
Do you have any ideas on which sprites you will work next?Unify remaining mechanisms - a water wheel with a windmill. Also repaint quern. But in the next two days I'm forced to stop modding.
Post by: Meph on December 23, 2017, 08:51:35 pm
Why unify the machines? It's no issue to have a sprite for each, thanks to TWBT.
Post by: Bumber on December 24, 2017, 03:49:39 pm
Drawn of machine componentsDon't the gears look tilted sideways a bit too much? Looks weird when you think the axles should be sitting nearly flat.
(https://i.imgur.com/y9nlNfx.gif)
Post by: jecowa on December 24, 2017, 04:39:22 pm
Maybe something more like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/vdqXyMX.png)
Post by: Vordak on December 24, 2017, 05:14:16 pm
v05(https://i.imgur.com/UHqe3cr.gif) v06(https://i.imgur.com/JsQbnFw.gif) v07(https://i.imgur.com/X2oDxnd.gif)
Upd. 2017.12.25
v08(https://i.imgur.com/8SdBhiE.gif)
Post by: Bumber on December 24, 2017, 07:01:16 pm
The EW axle's gear seems a bit smaller than the NS axle's. This may be intended.
Post by: Meph on December 27, 2017, 11:16:41 am
<<< ☼Download☼ - V1.7 for DF 44.02 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
- New catapult, catapult parts, ballista, ballista parts, ballista ammo.
- New tracks,track stops and rollers.
- New sprites for the 5 new professions, Criminal, Pilgrim, Monk, Prophet and Peddler. For Dwarves, Elves, Humans, Goblins and Kobolds.
- New items, lots of them.
- New animated Screwpump.
- Constructed walls and smoothed walls now have different styles.
- Constructed stairs and dug stairs now have different styles.
- Smoothed walls have a new style.
- Added a fancy font set with detailing and nicer map view and embossed capital letters.
- New bridge tiles.
- New leaves. There are three types of tree styles now.
- New saplings.
- New vermin. Vermin have more unique sprites now, some animated, and are way smaller than before.
- A dozen corpse sprites.
- Caged creature silhouettes.
- New utility sprites for Mouse Cursor, Wall Constructions, Well/Bridge Constructions, Depot Access, Channelling...
To sum it up: A really big update. A special thanks to Vordak for his contributions, as well as the currently absent Obsidian Soul. I started this tileset to give the art assets he posted a platform. He did reappear for a while and updated his portfolio, so I did the same. Many already existing sprites have been replaced with his work.
Here some previews of the new sprites.
(https://i.imgur.com/0PNdDKh.png)
Bow, Scimitar, Scourge, Training weapons. Done by Obsidian Soul.
(https://i.imgur.com/D7t2F0U.png)
Trap components and mechanism. Done by me, Obsidian Soul and Vordak. (I did the mechanism, retreated spikes and axe blade, Obsidian Soul did the spikes and spiked ball, Vordak did the serrated disc and corkscrew. I altered those slightly, hope that's ok. :) )
(https://i.imgur.com/70kbZaY.png)
All kinds of clothing, toys, crafts, prepared fish, engraved slab... all done by Obsidian Soul.
(https://i.imgur.com/PoViEG2.png)
Vermin! Also done by Obsidian Soul, with a few changes by me. As you can see a few of them are there twice, right next to each other. These sprites are slightly different and result in an animated vermin graphic ingame.
(https://i.imgur.com/qfQyfWL.png)
New bridge. Done by me.
(https://i.imgur.com/7HkGg23.png)
New constructed walls. Taken from Warcraft II, I stumbled over the tiles by chance and they fit perfectly. Also to see: The constructed stairs and the new mouse pointer, which was done by HaterSkater for his excellent Duerer Set. He didn't just make a tileset, he made art. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142083.0)
(https://i.imgur.com/gRloOGd.png)
New trees, done by me. Now with different leaves, different coloration in the leaves (three layers from the tree center).
(https://i.imgur.com/cgtqgxn.png)
New saplings. I made a few variations and unique ones for the cavern trees/giant mushrooms. Should add a bit more atmosphere without distracting too much.
(https://i.imgur.com/12j2RoH.png)
Corpses! Previously when a creature died, it reverted back to its tile. So you had a nice-looking bear sprite, but the dead bear was just a "b". Dead snake? "s". Now you get skeletons that fit the body type. The bottom left also shows the corpsepiece, aka a cut-off bodypart. No longer will teeth, arms and legs look like extra corpses in your stockpiles.
(https://i.imgur.com/TaPo8Gm.png)
Caged creatures! Previously they also showed/blinked in their tile number, like "b" for bear, or "S" for a giant snake... now they show the silhouette of the creature type you caught. I kinda had to do this together with the corpses, otherwise the cages would have shown the corpses. DF is weird :D
(https://i.imgur.com/UrZHTSJ.png)
Constructions! When you start building a wall or well, you were always greeted with a "O" and "o" ingame. Now it looks like an actual, small construction site. And a shovel icon for designated channel digging.
(https://i.imgur.com/ipuMvFN.jpg)
Civ-sprites! The new DF version added 5 new professions, the monk, pilgrim, prophet, criminal and peddler. Here they are for all civs. Dwarves are done by Vordak, I did the others. (Sorry for the jpg compression, they look clearer ingame)
(https://i.imgur.com/WyS8gQC.png)
Siege engines! Ballista and Catapult and their parts. Also done: Animated screw pump. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/erjwzjN.png)
Tracks, rollers and track stops! Done by Vordak, special thanks for those, also to Jecowa who noticed some minecart movement clashing with the design, which has been fixed.
And the last one:
Spoiler: MENU (click to show/hide)
The ingame menu now has a nice celtic-knot border, the mini-map is a bit nicer, and capital letters are embossed. I'm sure that it's a matter of taste, for those that dislike this font, you can find an alternative without the embossed letters in the extra-fonts folder. I made the font 12px wide, which means that the menu takes up less space. On my machine it shows 5.5 ingame tiles more, in comparison to the old 16px font. That means you see more of the map. :)
That's it. A big update containing a lot of extra work by Vordak (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165118.0) and Obsidian Soul (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126934.0). Check out their threads for more cool art by them.
Next I'll work on the caverns. Give them 3 different designs and make civ-sprites for the cavern tribes. Antmen spearman and frog blowgunner should show their proper military sprites soon. :)
Edit: PS: (https://i.imgur.com/AOwhUqA.gif) and (https://i.imgur.com/ZO1EWjE.gif)
Post by: ANickel on December 27, 2017, 01:47:38 pm
Post by: jecowa on December 27, 2017, 02:11:03 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/erjwzjN.png)
Tracks, rollers and track stops! Done by Vordak, special thanks for those, also to Jecowa who noticed some minecart movement clashing with the design, which has been fixed.
I think it was Vordak who noticed the Minecart Movements.
Post by: Meph on December 27, 2017, 02:20:45 pm
Absolutely amazing work! I'd love to play with this set again, but there's too much fiddling to get it to work with LNP. Any idea when it will be added back into the pack?No fiddling at all, it should be just drag and drop. :o
I'm curious about the item clouds being removed from growth drops on the trees. What is an item cloud?I checked, it was Amostubal. Sorry. ^^Tracks, rollers and track stops! Done by Vordak, special thanks for those, also to Jecowa who noticed some minecart movement clashing with the design, which has been fixed.
I think it was Vordak who noticed the Minecart Movements.
Item clouds are created when leaves or fruit fall off trees... it's like a dust-cloud, using tile 176,177,178 and 1-2 other tiles. There are no overrides for it, and it doesn't really add anything but distractions to the game, so I eradicated them. Mostly because the tiles in question do not look like falling leaves/fruit at all.
Post by: Button on December 27, 2017, 03:31:11 pm
Post by: jecowa on December 27, 2017, 04:15:55 pm
Item clouds are created when leaves or fruit fall off trees... it's like a dust-cloud, using tile 176,177,178 and 1-2 other tiles. There are no overrides for it, and it doesn't really add anything but distractions to the game, so I eradicated them. Mostly because the tiles in question do not look like falling leaves/fruit at all.That sounds like a good change. It looks like leaves are just a graphical effect at this point in the game and don't affect any mechanics. So it's probably safe to give them "no cloud" tags in existing saves. Does that sound right to you?
Also, concerning the survey, being able to see which parts of the walls are constructed instead of carved sounds like it could be nice, even if it does make them a little more ugly. It gives them more character.
Post by: Meph on December 27, 2017, 04:24:51 pm
Edit: Sorry, didn't answer your question about the cloud-change. Yes, it causes no issues if you switch that between saves.
Post by: Ruttiger on December 27, 2017, 05:30:13 pm
the only thing I'd complain about is that the vermin is too large. Those things should be tiny, because vermin are tiny.
Post by: Kromtec on December 28, 2017, 05:47:56 am
The changes in v1.7 look equally cool, particularly the tracks and trees.
Looking forward to the cavern improvements, because they currently look a little bit all over the place. :D
Is it possible with TWBT Next to make gems more shiny? If you compare cut gems and large gems with the gems shown in the jewelers workshop, they look really dull because of the missing highlights.
Maybe give even rough gems and gem walls some highlights.
(https://i.imgur.com/1teti7Z.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Yb1VDhU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/PZkBhKg.png)
edit:
It looks like decorations do not work neither in 1.6.1 nor in 1.7. I get random tiles instead of the tiles that you show in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161047.msg7281637#msg7281637).
Oh and please put the decoration legend into the first post, it is rather hard to find at the moment.
Post by: Meph on December 28, 2017, 04:00:10 pm
I can easily add highlights to the gems.
I tested the decorations... damn. I know there was a problem with workshop overrides, and thought mifki fixed it... but it's seemingly only fixed for hardcoded workshops, not for custom workshops. Thats bad. I can't fix that.
Post by: jecowa on December 28, 2017, 04:08:47 pm
Post by: Meph on December 28, 2017, 06:07:15 pm
Post by: jecowa on December 28, 2017, 06:13:26 pm
Post by: Broms on December 28, 2017, 08:14:35 pm
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attemping to load color palette file: "/data/save/region1/raw/colors.txt" Could not open file. The current world do not provide a valid default palette, disabling palette swapping for this world."
Any ideas how to fix it?
Post by: jecowa on December 28, 2017, 08:19:39 pm
Post by: Broms on December 28, 2017, 08:21:13 pm
Post by: jecowa on December 28, 2017, 08:31:03 pm
Post by: Broms on December 28, 2017, 08:32:32 pm
Post by: Moonshine Fox on December 29, 2017, 08:28:00 am
Post by: jecowa on December 29, 2017, 08:40:26 am
Post by: Meph on December 29, 2017, 09:46:41 am
Post by: Meph on December 29, 2017, 10:50:55 am
<<< ☼Download☼ - V1.75 for DF 44.03 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
ANOTHER UPDATE!
Changelog:
- Updated to 44.03.
- Fixed decorational buildings. They all work now!
- Fixed bookcase building.
- Fixed one different-looking wall tile.
- Fixed earring tile.
- Added tile for display case and pedestal, both building and item.
- Added Spearman, Master-Spearman, Blowgunner and Master-Blowgunner for underground animal men tribes.
- Added tile for window item.
- Added new tiles for ice floor, ice walls, smoothed ice floors, smoothed ice walls, ice stairs and ice pillars.
- Added new floor hatch tile and fixed wooden floor hatch.
- Added new driftwood tile.
- Updated tree densities
- Smoothed wall endings now blend into the rock.
Ok, this is a quick update with 4 main features.
1. Decorations work again. These were broken for quite some time due to a TWBT issue with the new DF. This has been fixed my Mifki, and everything works perfectly again. In case you don't know what kind of decorations I'm talking about, see this old post:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
2. ICE! Glaciers got their own unique tiles for terrain and fortress.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZFC5EPL.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2OgWsno.gif)
If you look closely, you can see the mined tile slowly breaking... the ice gets cracks.
3. Walls
(https://i.imgur.com/DyiwyNU.png)
The end of smoothed walls now blend into the rock. :)
4. Cavern civs
Subterranean animal men sometimes form tribes with spearmen and blowgunners in the caverns. Well, those have proper profession sprites now.
(https://i.imgur.com/1ezSY7c.png)
Special thanks to Jecowa, who send me several bug reports, together with a suggested fix right away. Those were really helpful and you have to thank him for the fixed earring, wood densities and altered wall tile.
Post by: IDontNeedAUsername on December 29, 2017, 01:33:36 pm
But this. This, my friend, is the siren to my Odysseus.
Post by: Moonshine Fox on December 29, 2017, 03:53:43 pm
It looks like your link is broken.It actually deleted itself for some reason. Fixed now though.
Post by: Moonshine Fox on December 29, 2017, 03:54:25 pm
I have a working 44.03 version, which I'll upload now. Just wait a bit. ^^Ah. So it was the "calm the hell down" thing. ^^ Thanks Meph!
Post by: Meph on December 29, 2017, 10:20:21 pm
I had to change the depth of a few underground trees to make them more distinct from each other, and restrict the depth of 1 grass per cavern. Technically that goes above changing graphics, but it really doesn't matter if you get "spore tree wood" or "tunnel tube wood" in cavern 1 and not 2, and vice versa.
I also made some designs for good and evil regions, which I so far mostly ignored. ^^
Spoiler: Good. Feather trees and bubble bulbs (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Cavern is dry (no grass) or flooded. Looks like this... (click to show/hide)
In short:
- Cavern 1, rocky floor, green, giant mushrooms.
- Cavern 2, fungi floor, dark green, trees with weird fungi-leaves.
- Cavern 3, tentacle floor, cyan, giant mushrooms.
For them I did end up using a few 32x minecraft sprites... I didn't plan to, was just looking at their texture packs to get some good ideas, but 8 tiles in total got stuck with me. ^^
Credits:
- http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/67541.htm DustyCraft by Dusty (6 tiles)
- ArestiansDawn Minecraft tileset by Levaunt (1 tile, Hellsand, heavily altered)
- Derivation_5 Minecraft tileset by theVoid1313 (1 tile, Hellsand)
What do you guys think? (Evil regions maybe a bit overdone? ^^)
Post by: Rose on December 30, 2017, 12:06:36 am
Not sure about the raw changes, though.
Post by: jecowa on December 30, 2017, 02:14:36 am
Post by: Kromtec on December 30, 2017, 04:30:09 am
Good biome looks awesome!Spoiler: Good. Feather trees and bubble bulbs (click to show/hide)
Love the sprites with the little corpses and skulls.
Spoiler: Cavern is dry (no grass) or flooded. Looks like this... (click to show/hide)
I don't like the green colors of cavern 1 and 2. Floor fungus in real life tends to be mostly white with spots where the color of the cavern floor shines through.
(https://reishiandrosesbotanicals.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/fresh_11.jpg)(https://www.timberwise.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/mycelium-growth-6721.jpg)
Maybe colors like
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/70/80/37/708037ec852dd7c21ca67b250f8efd59--color-balance-color-combos.jpg)
could fit, but I think grass-green should be reserved for the surface.
Cavern 3 looks really cool, I like how the rose-thorn and blood thorn plants blend in with the floor.
Fantastic!
Post by: jecowa on December 30, 2017, 05:19:24 am
Post by: Meph on December 30, 2017, 05:53:04 am
Is it intentional that v1.7.5 includes the vanilla /data/init/colors.txt palette?Yeah. The raw/colors.txt and seasonal colors exist, which are used by default. But if people say "I dont want this fancy nonsense" and turn it off, they go back to vanilla.
Kromtec: I cheated a bit and gave the first cavern no grass. DF doesn't like that and fills it with a default "grass", which colors the floor tiles green, without changing their style. That means the green is hardcoded. Then I added a green fungus for cavern 2, because the cavern grass starts growing everywhere together, as soon as you breach more than 1 cavern. They have to fit together. I took green, dark green and cyan, because they don't look too horrible when all three are mixed in the same room. Maybe not realistic colors for floor fungi, but than again there are made-up nether-cap mushrooms that a blue and goblin-cap mushrooms that are red... so I think I'm good. ^^
Japa: There are only two. Depths of grass and depths of tree. The grass doesn't affect anything, because all three layers end up with grass and it makes no game-play difference at all. The trees, as I said, a tiny bit. I left in the original depths as comments in the raws, depending on feedback I can easily undo the change.
Post by: Novaris on December 30, 2017, 09:56:38 am
A quick question: I downloaded your 1.75 version and tried to add two custom races I used before. An orc and a succubi race. Everything works fine so far but the corpses are odd. The corpse of the orcs looks like one of your consturction sprites and the corpse of the succubi looks like a dead small spider. I digged through your overrides.txt to find the corpse section but now I'm a little puzzled what lines I have to add to override the orc and succubi corpse. Can you enlighten me how to find the proper override lines I need to identify the corpse IDs?
Also, I noticed that the corpsepiece refers to _MDF_overrides_1 which then shows up as a miniforge or so...I changed it to _MDF_overrides_2:205 to look like older versions of your tileset.
Post by: Meph on December 30, 2017, 10:03:00 am
(https://i.imgur.com/iX8jyLt.gif)
Evil region looks more different from the HFS. Now looks more like a swamp/tendril with eyes.
(https://i.imgur.com/6yPuk2t.png)
Cavern 2 floor grey instead of green. That sets it more apart from cavern 1 (green) and cavern 3 (cyan), and still fits when mixed, since grey is neutral. Also, the original DF floor fungus is grey.
Edit: Also, new giant mushrooms.
(https://i.imgur.com/okF5HYD.png)
@Novaris: Corpses use tile numbers. Go to the creatures, find the CREATURE_TILE number and make it 11. It only works with non-civ members though. Overrides dont work for civ-members, so if you play the orcs/succubi, best to make them 253. Thanks for the heads up on the typo, I fixed the corpsepiece override. :)
Post by: Novaris on December 30, 2017, 10:35:18 am
EDIT: But thanks for the suggestion I guess I have to dig more into it or adjust the CREATURE_TILE to something the resembles what I want the closest.
Post by: Rose on December 30, 2017, 11:00:29 am
But the tendrils need to wiggle!
Post by: Meph on December 30, 2017, 11:19:24 am
I tried this but this just turned the corpses into cages. I don't play them I just test it in the testing arena. The plan is to slaughter them by the hundrets in many dwarfy ways ;)Strange. 11 is in the overrides, [OVERRIDE:11:I:CORPSE:CORPSE::_MDF_overrides_2:174:15] #humanoid, I use it myself a lot.
EDIT: But thanks for the suggestion I guess I have to dig more into it or adjust the CREATURE_TILE to something the resembles what I want the closest.
EDIT: Tested again. Interestingly enough, corpse overrides do not work for INTELLIGENT and/or CAN_LEARN creatures. I thought it was civ-members, but in fact it does not work for any corpses of sentient beings. Thanks, you just helped me find a bug that concerned 205 creature corpses. ^^
New evil biome stuff looks great.Like this?
But the tendrils need to wiggle!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It sadly takes up soooo many tiles. I try to avoid overrides for grass (since transparent items on top would delete the override), but the evil grass alone takes 9 tiles. ^^
Post by: Vordak on December 30, 2017, 11:35:51 am
Looking at this, it becomes a pity that the game does not have a portable flamethrower)) Сhic art.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Novaris on December 30, 2017, 12:15:19 pm
Post by: Kromtec on December 30, 2017, 04:50:23 pm
The recent changes to cavern 2 and evil region look gorgeous!
Post by: Meph on December 30, 2017, 05:21:29 pm
I'm almost 3 years into my fortress with 1.75 and wanted to say thanks for this awesome set and thanks to Vordak for all the dwarfy Dwarves.Uh, could you please upload a save? I'm super curious how it looks. Any issues?
The recent changes to cavern 2 and evil region look gorgeous!
Post by: jecowa on December 30, 2017, 05:35:45 pm
Those blinking tendril eyes are nice and creepy.
Testing out what the cave grasses might look like together:
Spoiler: white moss (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: little more yellow moss (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: even more a little more yellow moss (click to show/hide)
Having the white moss a little yellow helps it stick out a bit more from the walls. A little yellow tint might not look too cancerous.
Post by: Iliithid on December 30, 2017, 06:08:56 pm
Post by: Kromtec on December 30, 2017, 06:15:43 pm
I'm not at my pc right now but I will upload a save tomorrow.I'm almost 3 years into my fortress with 1.75 and wanted to say thanks for this awesome set and thanks to Vordak for all the dwarfy Dwarves.Uh, could you please upload a save? I'm super curious how it looks. Any issues?
The recent changes to cavern 2 and evil region look gorgeous!
The only issues I got are some corpse parts that look like constuction designations, wagons from traders don't look like the wagon you start with but like brown static smoke tiles and items often have wrong tiles during hauling jobs.
Oh and one bigger issue... after putting an artifact on a display case, the display case now looks like a slightly darker normal floor and the artifact is invisible.
Post by: Meph on December 30, 2017, 06:50:15 pm
Your pack looks gorgeous down in the earth where everything can be smoothed and lovely, but I seem to have a bone to pick with most large-res packs like this in regards to surface stuff, where grass/trees/etc collide with the solid backgrounds of units or other tiles in a really unsettling way. Is there a way past this, design wise, in your experience? Your unit sprites are gorgeous, I just wish the surface tiles meshed more happily.Mifki was working on creature transparency, but currently nothing is possible besides using a dark-grey neutral background.
Quote
Oh and one bigger issue... after putting an artifact on a display case, the display case now looks like a slightly darker normal floor and the artifact is invisible.Oh, I didn't know that they change their look when something is in them. If you have one of those in the save, please point it out to me. Might be a TWBT issue, when a transparent item is on top of an override tile.
The hauling I can't fix. Item carried use their original tile.
Corpses I'd be happy to have a look at. They are hard to come by, when I start my little test forts, since I cant spawn them with dfhack.
Wagon... damn. That's good to know, but also quite bad. The embark wagon counts as building, so the override works. Visiting wagons count as creatures, no override possible. :/ They dont even use creature sprites, nor a creature tile... it's hardcoded to tile:178. Silly, it's used for smoke, miasma, dust, ocean foam, swarms of insects, fallen leaves and the wagon...
Post by: jecowa on December 30, 2017, 08:11:41 pm
Post by: PeridexisErrant on December 30, 2017, 09:17:21 pm
(also I'll have mobile internet maybe once more before Jan ~8, so no rush and don't expect quick responses from me ;) )
Post by: Meph on December 31, 2017, 01:49:50 am
I don't know if it's causing it, but the wagon is a 24x24 image while the text file for it lists it as a 32x32 image. Maybe this is causing it to fallback to the main tilesheet?The 24x version in the graphics folder isnt used for wagons in vanilla DF at all.
There are three types of wagons in the game:
- Embark, a building. This one uses tile 178, but accepts overrides.
- Multi-tile wagon, the one traders arrive with. This one uses tile 178, does not accept overrides.
- Single-tile wagon, the actual creature from the files (if for example spawned with Dfhack). This one uses the sprite. Sadly, those wagons don't exist if not spawned by the player.
Perdidexis: Got it. :)
Post by: jecowa on December 31, 2017, 02:42:04 am
Post by: Kromtec on December 31, 2017, 03:49:57 am
QuoteOh and one bigger issue... after putting an artifact on a display case, the display case now looks like a slightly darker normal floor and the artifact is invisible.Oh, I didn't know that they change their look when something is in them. If you have one of those in the save, please point it out to me. Might be a TWBT issue, when a transparent item is on top of an override tile.
Save file is up:
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13365 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13365)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Corpses I'd be happy to have a look at. They are hard to come by, when I start my little test forts, since I cant spawn them with dfhack.You can find lots of corpses that show some anvil tile in the south of the main entrance F1.
Another issue maybe.. if you press F2 and go the living quarters you can see lots of dwarven children and all of them flash between their normal tile and some purple variant.
F3 goes to the first cavern layer.
The save is at the exact moment an elven ambush starts. Screen is centered on them after loading. :D
I didn't raid them, I was not at war with them and I don't know why I am now. First time in all the years I play DF that this happens. ;D
edit off topic:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Pvt. Pirate on December 31, 2017, 04:34:11 am
Post by: somebears on December 31, 2017, 05:04:52 am
Either just drop the whole thing in the root Folder where the executable file lies. This allows you to select the folder when starting the LNP. The only Problem with this is, that you cannot change the Tileset and/or install Mods. And you probably want to download the new version of Legends Viewer (as the latest version of this tileset uses a newer DF version than supported by it)
If that is okay, I'd suggest this approach.
If you want to install mods/change graphic packs with the newest version of the Tileset, you have quite a bit of work to do. You need to install the new DF version as a baseline, add the new DFHack and TWBT versions to the installed Folder. Then you can add this Tileset to the Tileset Folder and it should work. Emphasis on should
Post by: Meph on December 31, 2017, 05:12:19 am
No idea about the display-case behaviour. It's pretty opaque and I dont know how/why it doesnt work.
Corpses are fixed now.
Children blink, because the second tile is "children playing make believe". I managed to remove the color from it, now it doesnt have the magenta hue.
Post by: Meph on December 31, 2017, 07:55:36 am
(https://i.imgur.com/oDuDMAZ.png)
Fish are Obsidian Souls work for the most part, and the animal men and monkey variations I based on his designs, trying to keep them similar.
Post by: Acolyte on December 31, 2017, 11:35:31 pm
Or should I wait a while for you to get to a natural stopping point?
- Shane
Post by: jecowa on December 31, 2017, 11:58:40 pm
Post by: Acolyte on January 01, 2018, 12:33:55 am
- Shane
Post by: Kromtec on January 01, 2018, 07:38:15 am
Kromtec, thank you. :)
No idea about the display-case behaviour. It's pretty opaque and I dont know how/why it doesnt work.
Corpses are fixed now.
Children blink, because the second tile is "children playing make believe". I managed to remove the color from it, now it doesnt have the magenta hue.
Awesome!
I found a little inconsistency after capturing and training some dralthas.
They breeded and got a "little" draltha child.
(https://i.imgur.com/Mrm8DsZ.png)
The child is on the left, next to mother and father... :D
Child:
(https://i.imgur.com/7T6neNj.png)
Mother:
(https://i.imgur.com/69vw6cv.png)
Father:
(https://i.imgur.com/69vw6cv.png)
From the description, the tile used for the child would better fit for the adult dralthas
and the tile from the adults could be recolored and used for the childs. Or is this already child tile of another animal and is only wrongly used?
More animal sprites. Almost forgot that I never finished them. Of the 100 that were left, I now have about 50 to go...They all look beautiful, I especially like the little pants on the monkey people. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/oDuDMAZ.png)
Fish are Obsidian Souls work for the most part, and the animal men and monkey variations I based on his designs, trying to keep them similar.
Looking at these I wonder if you will revisit some of the domestic animals after finishing up all the animals, like you did with the dogs?
Some of the domestic animals do not fit the overall style, like the yak and reindeer and some have a very odd scale, for example the chickens compared to the horses:
(https://i.imgur.com/AGj29lD.png)
Post by: Rose on January 01, 2018, 09:01:05 am
I should point out that leopard seal men don't have 6 limbs.
Post by: Meph on January 01, 2018, 10:33:13 am
(https://i.imgur.com/oDuDMAZ.png)Molemarians do.
I should point out that leopard seal men don't have 6 limbs.
Kromtec: Yes, I probably redo at the very least the domestic pets.
Post by: Rose on January 01, 2018, 11:16:08 am
Post by: Aerth on January 01, 2018, 03:43:54 pm
Does someone know what kind of parameter or setting should I change to make it really standout like it does with LNP + Phoebus?
Thank you Meph for the awesome tileset.
Post by: jecowa on January 01, 2018, 04:40:40 pm
Spoiler: Mining designations in Meph 1.7.5 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Aerth on January 01, 2018, 04:54:00 pm
The plain mining designation is hard to see? It looks fine to me. Maybe the upstairs, downstairs, and up ramp designations are kind of vague, though.Spoiler: Mining designations in Meph 1.7.5 (click to show/hide)
Thanks for the reply, this is how it looks for me:
Spoiler: Mining designation (click to show/hide)
Post by: jecowa on January 01, 2018, 05:19:28 pm
Spoiler: maximum changes to prevent similar issues on similar tiles (click to show/hide)
Post by: Aerth on January 01, 2018, 05:34:55 pm
Does the channel designations look okay? There might possibly be a better solution if the channel designation looks okay, but as a temporary fix you could download one of the files below, rename it to "Meph_32x32-top.png", and place it in your /data/art/ folder to hopefully make it more readable.
Thank you! The first one did the trick :) thanks again
Post by: Meph on January 01, 2018, 05:41:01 pm
Post by: jecowa on January 01, 2018, 05:57:51 pm
Post by: Meph on January 01, 2018, 06:25:53 pm
Two things:
- I made gems.
- I made workshops.
Gems have 8 tiles, sorted by value. 2, 3, 10, 15, 20, 30, 40, 60.
(https://i.imgur.com/brua3rF.png)
And I redid all workshop tiles. All of them. Like... all. I tried giving them a border, but I'm only able to override 3-5 tiles per workshop usually, and often these tiles repeat themselves twice or trice in the same design.
I wish they'd all offer the same freedom as the soap maker, that would be great.
(https://i.imgur.com/eTzFYBX.png)
Please let me know if any of them look unclear...
Post by: jecowa on January 01, 2018, 06:38:02 pm
I meant in the first tileset. Because I couldnt make out the difference. ^^In the first one, only tile 131 is deleted.
Two things:Those look really nice.
- I made gems.
- I made workshops.
Gems have 8 tiles, sorted by value. 2, 3, 10, 15, 20, 30, 40, 60.
(https://i.imgur.com/brua3rF.png)
And I redid all workshop tiles. All of them. Like... all. I tried giving them a border, but I'm only able to override 3-5 tiles per workshop usually, and often these tiles repeat themselves twice or trice in the same design.I'm not very familiar with workshops, but I could still guess most of them. It looks like you might have the cheese maker labeled as a kitchen.
I wish they'd all offer the same freedom as the soap maker, that would be great.Spoiler: workshops (click to show/hide)
Please let me know if any of them look unclear...
Post by: Vordak on January 01, 2018, 07:13:47 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/NHZjk8y.png)
Post by: Acolyte on January 01, 2018, 07:54:54 pm
1. I wonder if it'd be possible to have the dye vats in the Dyer's be different - IIRC they were in a different tileset. Don't know if that's still possible with TWBT. Making one red, one blue, and one green would be highly appropriate. ;)
2. In that same other tileset, the impassible squares of the Magma Workshops actually lit up when the Magma under them got to 4/7. One of my favorite things was to watch the red light flash, then flash faster, then go solid as the magma built up underneath. :D
Anyway, just wonder if these are still a thing that can be done/are worth doing.
Thanks!
- Shane
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 02, 2018, 01:17:46 am
Quote
0.44.02-r01
- updated Dwarf Fortress
- updated Phoebus graphics - *but still for 43.05*
0.44.01-r01
- updated Dwarf Fortress to 0.44.01
- updated PyLNP to 0.13
- removed Therapist, DFHack, etc pending compatibility
- graphics packs included but *not yet* updated
(do not update graphics on saves - may be incompatible)
the latest changes on this thread are amazing :) i hope i can get to trying it out soon.
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2018, 01:22:02 am
Is it possible to make gems more contrast against the background stone? And in general, just gems.The point was to make them more hidden, embedded... ingame it depends on the gem color... white, grey and brown gems are harder to see, while colorful gems are easy to spot. They are white in the tileset.
(https://i.imgur.com/NHZjk8y.png)
Jecomwa, yeah, happens when you do that one last thing before heading to bed and don't check... it's the Farmers Shop. Not the kitchen ^^
1. Yes, especially now with the transparency. I think mifki gave me a few new toys to play with. That should not be a problem.
2. Could you please tell me which tileset? I can't check how they do it, if I dont know about it... but as far as I'm aware, it would be fairly simple, just make anything red/fiery on the graphics transparent.
Post by: Rose on January 02, 2018, 01:23:49 am
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2018, 01:38:05 am
For the screenshots I overrode every tile with a white foreground color. I haven't worked with the fancy new transparency -bg and top-files yet, but once I start, I can give them the vanilla colors for selected parts, like the dye in the dyers vats (instead of the entire tile), or the fire in the forges (again, instead of coloring the entire thing red).
Post by: Acolyte on January 02, 2018, 02:03:25 am
- Shane
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2018, 06:17:35 am
Since several people said that cavern 1 is too green, boring and too much like the surface....
(https://i.imgur.com/m27Bb5m.png)
workshops show more colors... for example a difference between an unpowered and a powered magma forge. :) And the dyer that was asked about a lot.
(https://i.imgur.com/JYQvHLH.png)
Engraving is now properly animated.
(https://i.imgur.com/aIbFa3k.gif)
Dwarves and domestic animals have transparent backgrounds.
(https://i.imgur.com/jaQ7SxO.png)
Speaking of domestic animals, I took what Obsidian Soul had done, finished the rest, and remade them. Much, much better now, especially the ratio between creatures. Before transparency, I made them as large as possible, so that not that much ugly, black background would show... now that does not matter anymore.
The all come with a proper child-version and a blood-crying, injured zombie version. Happy New Year! :P
(https://i.imgur.com/lGDYMDi.png)
If you look closely, you will see two extra dogs at the bottom, next to the bunny. That's hunting- and war-trained dogs. I decided to make them more distinct than just an icon... now you have "generic dog", a hunting greyhound-dog and a fighting bulldog-dog.
Speaking of training... I could do this:
(https://i.imgur.com/2tECtzd.png)
Give domestic animals saddles, stirrups and the like. But sadly, these animals also exist in the wild. A wagon-pulling yak with a harness and a wild, free yak look the same... the solution is simple: Make two creatures. YAK and YAK_DOMESTIC, purely for the purpose of different graphics. One is available as a pet, but not in nature; the other only in nature and not as pet. Problem: It's technically modding and (!) might mess up save compatibility. :/
Thoughts?
Post by: Vordak on January 02, 2018, 06:53:19 am
I think this is a significant step forward, that you started using developments of Obsidian Soul creatures. Creatures with icons (kid, gigantic and other), like Dungeon set, I personally did not like, although I understand that it was forced to use.
I've already imagined how to I draw metal armor on a dog))
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2018, 07:10:14 am
I always thought it would be way too much work, but I recently checked how many trainable creatures are in vanilla DF... from 767 creatures, exactly 22 are trainable. 1 war, 2 hunting, 19 both. That's only 41 extra creature sprites.
The undead-skull icon I can redo with the injuries/open wounds. It's clear enough that they are undead.
The only hard thing will be child-sprites for all creatures. ^^
Post by: Acolyte on January 02, 2018, 07:11:18 am
- Shane
Post by: dambros on January 02, 2018, 07:16:20 am
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2018, 07:24:53 am
I also might just delete the VERMIN_MICRO. They use tile 178 for "a swarm of" small flying vermin, but that tiles is also wagons, smoke, falling leaves and more... it would allow me to give the 5 vermin types proper graphics. Again, tiniest of balance changes in the game, since micro-vermin leave no remains, but if I make them normal vermin, they'd do.
Post by: dambros on January 02, 2018, 07:43:37 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 02, 2018, 08:19:20 am
No, this is all work in progress. But I might upload a new pack today. Tons of things unfinished, but if I wait till everything is done, I'll upload never. ^^
Looking forward to it! I love this tileset the most and really appreciate your work :) <3
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2018, 08:47:16 am
<<< ☼Download☼ - V1.8 for DF 44.03 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
UPDATE!
This time the update changes the entire style of six regions. It has a huge impact on the visual style of your embark zone, so listen up! New, unique graphics for: Evil, Good, Volcano, Cavern 1, Cavern 2, Cavern 3 and the HFS. Last update already got the glaciers done.
A note on the volcanic graphics: Just like ice-walls and ice-floors look unique since 1.75, now Obsidian gets a new look. Smoothed and engraved Obsidian walls and floors get their own, special sprites. But (!) this only works on obsidian that was made through magma/water, as well as the walls of a volcano. It does not (!) work on normal obsidian layer stone.
Other changes in this version include the workshops, which all have been redone; Transparent backgrounds for dwarves and domestic pets; almost 100 new decorational buildings; and gems look more natural now.
Changelog:
- Updated to dfhack beta and twbt6.31. Aka newest versions.
- Fixed dead sapling and a couple minor pixel errors.
- Tree colors are more varied, especially feather/glumprong now look white/magenta again.
- Fixed corpsepiece/bodypart tile.
- Children playing make-believe look better now.
- Added 50+ new creature sprites.
- Remade all domestic creatures, including new child/undead versions.
- Dwarves and domestic creatures now have transparent backgrounds.
- Added new constructed floor tile.
- Added new tileset for obsidian walls/floors/stairs. (only works on magma-created obsidian)
- Changed design of cavern 1
- Changed design of cavern 2
- Changed design of cavern 3
- Changed design of Evil regions
- Changed design of Good regions
- Changed design of HFS
- New design for cavern plants.
- New design for cavern trees.
- Remade all workshops.
- Almost 100 new decorations: Oil paintings.
- New gems, 8 types, that look more naturally encased in rock.
- Engraving shows an animated tile of the dwarf now.
So, lets see.
Spoiler: Creature transparency (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Animated engraver (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: New gems (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: New workshops (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Workshop colors (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: New creature sprites (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: New giant mushrooms (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: All domestic pet redone (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Animated EVIL region (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: GOOD region (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Volcano region (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Cavern 1, Shrooms (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Cavern 2, Fungi (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Cavern 3, Brambles (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: The HFS (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 96 oil paintings (click to show/hide)
The new oil paintings are build just like the other decorations. You build a free, 1-tile "painting" workshop, and run a reaction to "hang painting #X" to show the fitting graphic.
Credits:
- Obsidian Soul for the domestic pet sprites; some added/altered by me.
- Mifki for the TWBT update that allows transparent creature backgrounds.
- Vordak, Kromtec and Jecowa for their ongoing support and suggestions.
- Painting sprites by DeviantArt user Ayene-chan (https://ayene-chan.deviantart.com/art/RPG-Maker-VX-Small-Paintings-338749301). Thank you for making them free to use, regardless of game or license. :)
And a few resources from modded minecraft sets:
- http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/67541.htm DustyCraft by Dusty (7 tiles)
- ArestiansDawn Minecraft tileset by Levaunt (1 tile, Hellsand, heavily altered)
- Derivation_5 Minecraft tileset by theVoid1313 (1 tile, Hellsand)
Next I can probably update the screenshots and documentation included, make a proper, full credits file, make all creatures transparent, make kid-creature sprites, proper war/hunting creature sprites, a few optional features (like no raw changes on plant depths), and I getting a good idea how to add Vordaks dwarves. Because they look awesome. ;)
Post by: somebears on January 02, 2018, 08:49:58 am
Post by: Kromtec on January 02, 2018, 08:52:24 am
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2018, 08:56:41 am
Fish/Aquatic - 100% done
(https://i.imgur.com/xuFQedo.png)
Only a few mammals and animal men missing.
PS: I'm not sorry for the Narwal sprite.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 02, 2018, 09:05:59 am
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2018, 09:14:24 am
YES thank you! Are the fish sprites you just posted in the new update as well?Sure.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 02, 2018, 11:11:30 am
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2018, 02:48:29 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kromtec on January 02, 2018, 03:12:44 pm
I uploaded an updated save (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13374) of my game to DFFD.
Press Shift+H, I have named all the levels where there is a little more going on.
The new domestic animals look very nice and the caverns are awesome.
Minor issues I found in V1.8
Some corpses still show wrong tiles. You can find them right in front of the main entrance, next to the dog pasture and a few in the refuse stockpiles next to the volcano. (1 z-level below the surface)
(https://i.imgur.com/JS1JOsW.png)
The new gems look great, I love them. I haven't found all 8 of them, but one of the 3-4 gem tiles I have found has the color on a slightly shifted position and looks a bit weird:
(https://i.imgur.com/7g5YfJT.png)(https://i.imgur.com/GC4NKxQ.png)
The dralthas now have the same sprite for adults and children. But it's the sprite that doesn't fit the ingame description. They should have ecru skin and a yellow mane.
(https://i.imgur.com/Zw3xUYQ.png)
Oh and pedestals behave exactly like display cases. They get invisible after placing an item on them. (Tavern now has two pedestals with artifacts too)
Better?Yes, much better!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 02, 2018, 03:16:30 pm
Better?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Much better <3
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2018, 03:53:04 pm
The gem color is not shifted, it's a glow. On purpose. The lights falls through them and throws a colored shadow on the rocks around them. Probably not the best idea. ^^
Draltha I didnt check, but it should be trivial to give them the correct color.
Still no idea about pedestals/display cases. None at all.
The corpses... ha, found it! They tricked me. They always use CREATURE_TILE, in 764 cases. In 3 cases, it's CREATURE_SOLDIER_TILE. ^^ Dwarves, Elves and Human soldiers have their own special tile numbers. (curiously enough, Goblins and Kobolds don't have them). I tried overriding it, but it doesn't work, since they are intelligent units.
Corpses fixed. They were elf-corpses. Well done.
Post by: Kromtec on January 02, 2018, 04:02:43 pm
The gem color is not shifted, it's a glow. On purpose. The lights falls through them and throws a colored shadow on the rocks around them. Probably not the best idea. ^^It looks good on the other gem tiles I've found, but on this particular one it looks a little bit off.
The corpses... ha, found it! They tricked me. They always use CREATURE_TILE, in 764 cases. In 3 cases, it's CREATURE_SOLDIER_TILE. ^^ Dwarves, Elves and Human soldiers have their own special tile numbers. (curiously enough, Goblins and Kobolds don't have them). I tried overriding it, but it doesn't work, since they are intelligent units.Great!
Corpses fixed. They were elf-corpses. Well done.
Post by: Meph on January 03, 2018, 03:28:21 am
Traffic designations... fast, slow, restricted. Then activity zone, then selected activity zone.:
(https://i.imgur.com/3cWq3W3.png)
Constructions and channeling
(https://i.imgur.com/abCbmPj.png)
Wagons and smoke:
(https://i.imgur.com/7SVUQmK.png)
Ashes and broken ammo:
(https://i.imgur.com/RZVAAEp.png)
And a redditor suggested something about the trade depot (unsure about that one... I like the iconic original design)
(https://i.imgur.com/xN8hp9m.png)
Post by: Kromtec on January 03, 2018, 04:28:25 am
Smoke/wagon tiles are fine but now they look a bit too solid for smoke/miasma.
It never bothered me with Phoebus:
(http://i.imgur.com/QvreEKH.png)
But now looking at it after playing some time with this tileset it wasn't very coherent there either.
I'm not very fond of the trade depot, I think the original one looks more dwarfy.
Post by: Sver on January 03, 2018, 05:39:28 am
I too think that the "thick smoke" tiles look kinda too blocky. Personally, I'd rather tolerate borderless wagons - but then again, that might be just me.
I find the new Trade depot design quite interesting.
Post by: Meph on January 03, 2018, 05:43:18 am
Therefore a nicer wagon is more important than nicer miasma.
Post by: Meph on January 03, 2018, 07:01:59 am
(https://i.imgur.com/oTE19zK.png)
Red X means that they don't exist ingame. Fairy and Pixie are vermin, the Sea Monster, Grimeling, Nightwing, Harpy, Foul Blendec, Blizzard Man and Bronze Colossus are mono-gendered races and don't have children.
About half of those are the last leftover of Obsidian Soul sprites, the rest I made myself.
The war/hunting dragon and rocs got some slight changes, like coloration, a saddle or a collar.
Post by: mifki on January 03, 2018, 07:30:36 am
I also like the trade depot idea, but it needs tweaking, the market stalls look too much like chests to me.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 03, 2018, 08:18:52 am
Post by: Meph on January 03, 2018, 08:29:06 am
Edit: Concepts for animal-men visitors... although I'm not even sure if you get them. Could someone please enlighten me? (Edit: ZM5 did enlighten me. Turns out they are exceedingly rare.)
(https://i.imgur.com/7mU0uJG.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/GNKSfqF.png)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 03, 2018, 11:33:53 am
the borderless wagon never bothered me - maybe make the border less "strong" in contrast so it doesnt make smoke and miasma look too strange. btw: are smoke and miasma bound to use the same tile and could they be overwritten?
Post by: Meph on January 03, 2018, 12:37:04 pm
They are also the wagon tiles (176 and 178), and all three are used in insect swarms of microvermin, which also can't be overridden or changed.
The same tiles also have 3-4 other uses, but luckily those I can override.
And: creature_large_riverlake in Obsidian style with child- and zombie- versions.
(https://i.imgur.com/4kaoGto.png)
Post by: Hommit on January 03, 2018, 01:29:44 pm
Post by: Meph on January 03, 2018, 01:52:52 pm
large_tundra
(https://i.imgur.com/ibmdHjm.png)
large_mountain
(https://i.imgur.com/hL2ZyHg.png)
Post by: Vordak on January 03, 2018, 03:13:25 pm
Spoiler: Bearman (click to show/hide)
Post by: lysaght on January 03, 2018, 03:34:15 pm
Early days yet but everything looks sweet.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on January 03, 2018, 04:06:36 pm
Quote
The limits question is more important. There's no fixed number, it depends on graphics card used. I think all currently used cards should support texture size 4096x4096 or at least 2048x2048. This gives 64 512x512 sheets or at least 16 sheets. It may seem ok then, but this also includes all creature graphics, so I really need to find a way to split tiles into several GPU textures and not worry about limits anymore.Summary: All graphic tiles have to fit into one large, 4096x4096 png.
If we add just military professions to the 200 animal-people and other intelligent humanoids, that's 24*200*32px. With some professions to cover the visitors, scholars, performers, etc, lets make it 35 extra sprites per creature.
35*200= 7000 sprites. With creature transparency, 14000, because of the -bg files. With some good templates thats doable, but would crash. I alread have 10x 512x512 tilesets in data/art, and the large procedual sets for Titans, Demons, Nightcreatures and FBs are 1024x832, of which there are 4.
Overall I think there is enough space left for about 4000-5000 sprites. That's guess-work, but an educated guess.
tl;dr: Vordak, I/we/you can't do full spritesheets for all animal men. Only a few selected professions. I thought about 4: Melee, Ranged, Scholar, Performer. That's 1600 sprites in total. (200 creatures * 4 = 800. Times two for the -bg files) That's well within the limits of TWBT.
Post by: Vordak on January 03, 2018, 04:17:18 pm
tl;dr: Vordak, I/we/you can't do full spritesheets for all animal men. Only a few selected professions. I thought about 4: Melee, Ranged, Scholar, Performer. That's 1600 sprites in total. (200 creatures * 4 = 800. Times two for the -bg files) That's well within the limits of TWBT.It's probably good because for extremely rare animal-men make a complete set - it's a waste of time.
Post by: Meph on January 03, 2018, 04:22:50 pm
The war/hunting training is easy, it's only 40 sprites or so. In total. :)
Edit: I'm still thinking that child/undead sprites take a lot of work... but it does look better than a straight copy that has a little "KID" note on it. Those are made entirely new by me, but I tried sticking to Obsidians style.
(https://i.imgur.com/O4yyd5J.png)
Post by: Kromtec on January 04, 2018, 04:07:52 am
large_tundraLove the bear in battle armor! :D
(https://i.imgur.com/ibmdHjm.png)
large_mountain
(https://i.imgur.com/hL2ZyHg.png)
To have proper child/war/hunt/undead graphics for at least the most common animals would make a big difference.
It was supposed to be some kind of bearman - muzzle is not like, It resembles a rat).Now I want to have a bearman in my fortress.Spoiler: Bearman (click to show/hide)
Maybe an approach to solve the problem with hauled items:
In the GemSet graphics, DragonDePlatino left the main tileset mostly ascii and handled all graphics in override files. So whenever something is hauled and the sprite falls back to the main tileset at least a sprite is shown that can be better associated with the performed task.
(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/DFgraphics/GemSet/master/data/art/gemset_map.png)
Doesn't have to be all ascii like in his set, but keep only fallback sprites in the main tileset and outsource everything to overrides.
Could this be a possible solution or doesn't that work with the newer features like transparency?
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 05:01:22 am
Post by: Novaris on January 04, 2018, 05:05:09 am
Post by: Kromtec on January 04, 2018, 05:23:23 am
That doesn't work. I could have left most of the items in the main tileset in that case... for example most of the carried items are furniture or crafts... which I could leave in the main tileset. But I decided to outsource them, to have more space for grasses and vermin; aka things I don't want or can't use overrides for.
Thats too bad, then lets hope mifki works his magic and finds a way eventually. Would be cool to see a music note when someone plays an instrument instead of a soup spoon or leaves. ;D
Is it just my version or do the track stops look like bookcases? Also, zones look like bookcases as well...Don't know about the tracks (haven't built them so far in my current game) but Meph showed the new zone sprites that should be in the next version:
Traffic designations... fast, slow, restricted. Then activity zone, then selected activity zone.:
(https://i.imgur.com/3cWq3W3.png)
Constructions and channeling
(https://i.imgur.com/abCbmPj.png)
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 05:33:15 am
Wait... instruments don't show as instruments when carried? Because the instrument tile is still the original, I don't use overrides on them. (Checked your fort, only one guy reciting poetry... blinking in the "children playing make believe" tile. :/ )
Baby and undead reptiles:
(https://i.imgur.com/EloHIr9.png)
And the same for desert_new:
(https://i.imgur.com/nFzNoaf.png)
Beware the zombie tortoise!
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 04, 2018, 06:28:06 am
There are actually 3 bodies on the image below, but the pointer is covering two. They also look like cages but in different colour (one is purple? Presumably cos a noble died?)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: Also I generated a world with short history (125 years) and almost none of my dwarfs have any relationships. I only got one migrant pair. This is concerning because I was planning to increase the size of the fort slowly with childbirths. Is this because I chose a civ that is on the other side of the world and so the game is spawning dwarfs out of thin air, or is something wrong with the raws?
Post by: Kromtec on January 04, 2018, 06:32:29 am
Wait... instruments don't show as instruments when carried? Because the instrument tile is still the original, I don't use overrides on them. (Checked your fort, only one guy reciting poetry... blinking in the "children playing make believe" tile. :/ )
No, when they haul an instrument it might be the right sprite.
The top right icons with music notes are displayed when a dwarf plays music or dances I think.
(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/DFgraphics/GemSet/master/data/art/gemset_map.png)(https://78.media.tumblr.com/4b7fd577d78e08796f7e11425131cd68/tumblr_o0dwhoGyKy1tikbl5o1_400.gif)
That would be a soup spoon and leaves in your set:
(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jecowa/Meph/master/data/art/Meph_32x32.png)
edit:
Oh, now I just realized, there are two graphics for eggs on this sheet (in the first and in the last row). Can it be that the eggs in the first row are used for hauled rocks?
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 06:41:50 am
I can certainly fix those. Both tiles I can rearrange.
Mrok Girl, not intentional. Which version is that? If it's the newest one, could you please upload the save? (And I did nothing to raws, like relationships etc)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 04, 2018, 06:58:21 am
Mrok Girl, not intentional. Which version is that? If it's the newest one, could you please upload the save? (And I did nothing to raws, like relationships etc)
It is the 1.8 version, the one you uploaded a couple of days ago. As for the save, sure but um, I haven't done it in a while - which folder has the latest game save? The 'current' one or the 'region 1' one?
Post by: jecowa on January 04, 2018, 07:10:14 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 04, 2018, 07:16:08 am
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 07:33:46 am
:)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 04, 2018, 07:37:09 am
Post by: Kromtec on January 04, 2018, 07:46:20 am
(https://i.imgur.com/Wo0a5oy.png)
:)
Nice! :)
Have you seen my edit?
edit:
Oh, now I just realized, there are two graphics for eggs on this sheet (in the first and in the last row). Can it be that the eggs in the first row are used for hauled rocks?
According to the wiki for Status Icon (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Status_icon). An upper case Z flashes when a dwarf sleeps. On that position is no sprite in your sheet.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 04, 2018, 07:58:38 am
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 08:12:29 am
Again, super helpful. Now I can make 3 more status icon: Paralyzed, Poetry/Storytelling/Playing and "Injured".
Mh.
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Masterpiece quality tags, unmined Gem Cluster*, Rough Gems and Raw Glass, unmined bituminous coal*, mined bituminous coal*, currency symbol, spider webs, pond turtle*, sun, gear assemblies, paralyzed indicator, fireballs, bandit camps on travel map, towns on world map, night creature senses, artifact gem doorsSeems getting one sprite that fits all "*" topics is nearly impossible.
Double Me. The injury indicator is also smoothed floors. Which is bad, because I really don't want to use overrides on floors.
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 08:14:54 am
I already fixed them in my dev version, that's why I was a bit confused.
Post by: Vordak on January 04, 2018, 08:25:18 am
_MDF_items - Floor Grate, Anvil.
_MDF_items_bg - Anvil.
_MDF_items_top - Anvil, Totem, Bookcase, Statue.
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Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 08:43:52 am
"And thus Meph learned about grids in photoshop". ^^
Thanks, I'll fix those.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 04, 2018, 08:58:51 am
Mrok Girl: open creature_standard.txt, find CREATURE_SOLDIER_TILE:2 and replace it with :1. That's it. Corpses fixed.
I already fixed them in my dev version, that's why I was a bit confused.
Thanks!
Something else though, if you look at my previous screenshot the name 'Dwarf Fortress' on top of the screen is all black. As if only the background loaded? It makes reading some stuff tricky. The same happens when you go to the 'z' menu, the name of the fort looks like that too, all black. Is this intended?
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 09:32:43 am
Unrelated to that, making undead fish was surprisingly fun. ^^
(https://i.imgur.com/rm4Hhm4.png)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 04, 2018, 09:59:32 am
Those fishies are neat!
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 10:23:24 am
Solution: You can just use one of the more normal fonts that I include.
Small_mammals_new.png:
(https://i.imgur.com/2KPVISN.png)
Insects and their zombified counterparts.
(https://i.imgur.com/nHiA9dw.png)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 04, 2018, 11:51:19 am
BTW I just built some glass workshops and they require architecture now. I don't recall them needing that earlier. Was that a recent change?
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 11:53:19 am
Eep those insects are creepy!I don't change anything in the raws. This is not a mod.
BTW I just built some glass workshops and they require architecture now. I don't recall them needing that earlier. Was that a recent change?
All furnaces have always required architecture.
...and creature_mountain_new.png
(https://i.imgur.com/sRAWL6J.png)
Edit: And lets add a playing-make-believe/storytelling/reciting-poetry icon to the mix. First one.
(https://i.imgur.com/e0rOwGc.png)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 04, 2018, 01:24:56 pm
It was supposed to be some kind of bearman - muzzle is not like, It resembles a rat).you could put the ears more to the top of the head and make them appear less behind the head. that could make them look more like bears than rats.Spoiler: Bearman (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kromtec on January 04, 2018, 02:34:56 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/UDDewO9.gif)
When a dwarf reads a book in the library it flashes with this basin sprite and sometimes with the pedestal sprite.
All the animals look really cool btw. I'm tempted to try an ocean embark with the next version.
Post by: Archmonk on January 04, 2018, 03:33:26 pm
After thinking nothing would ever get me away from Phoebus, I just spent a couple of very enjoyable hours with Meph 44_03--not sure if I can go back now! :)
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 03:49:11 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/aP0mKG9.png)
And Kromtec, people reading books now show a book:
(https://i.imgur.com/EOOwlJz.png)
:)
Post by: Kromtec on January 04, 2018, 04:36:58 pm
Edit: And lets add a playing-make-believe/storytelling/reciting-poetry icon to the mix. First one.What do you think of a theatre mask in the bubble?
(https://i.imgur.com/e0rOwGc.png)
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Mrok Girl, thanks for the hint with the track stops:Nice!
(https://i.imgur.com/aP0mKG9.png)
And Kromtec, people reading books now show a book:
(https://i.imgur.com/EOOwlJz.png)
:)
I uploaded an updated save (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13386) where my fortress is now the mountainhome.
F4 are the chambers of the queen and F5 is a library. Maybe it helps you with testing.
The pedestal in the throne room has an artifact crown and shows no sprite like the pedestals in the tavern previously.
The pedestals on the right in bed and dining room have artifact clothing on them and show a sprite!
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Post by: Meph on January 04, 2018, 05:28:46 pm
If you press "c" to stop displaying it, you see the crown. If you put it back on display, you see the crown, till you move the view once. As soon as twbt/df has to redraw the tiles, the crown turns invisible.
At this point I'm sure that it's something only Mifki himself can fix.
Oh, but the Dralthas on your front porch are yellow-maned now. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/HOpXW1I.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/02ZdbYI.gif)
No idea why I didn't think of the tragedy/comedy masks... after all I picked them for the Therapist poet profession icon. ^^ Guess one fits better for "telling a story", the other is more fitting for "reciting poetry". I do like the masks more.
Edit: Oh, and people reading books show books... but people reading quires show pedestals. ;)
Post by: mifki on January 04, 2018, 06:11:05 pm
I'm having a look at your save. It must be a twbt bug. It has the same output in the print-twbt-override script, both items use overrides, both items use transparencies, and both pedestals are of the same quality/material.
I disabled TWBT completely and still could not see the crown.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 04, 2018, 06:11:37 pm
I uploaded an updated save (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13386) where my fortress is now the mountainhome.
F4 are the chambers of the queen and F5 is a library. Maybe it helps you with testing.
The pedestal in the throne room has an artifact crown and shows no sprite like the pedestals in the tavern previously.
The pedestals on the right in bed and dining room have artifact clothing on them and show a sprite!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Those chambers look very royal :) Are the walls engraved or just smoothed?
And I like the little icons for reading/singing/poetry!
Post by: IlFedaykin on January 04, 2018, 06:53:56 pm
I'm having a look at your save. It must be a twbt bug. It has the same output in the print-twbt-override script, both items use overrides, both items use transparencies, and both pedestals are of the same quality/material.
If you press "c" to stop displaying it, you see the crown. If you put it back on display, you see the crown, till you move the view once. As soon as twbt/df has to redraw the tiles, the crown turns invisible.
I noticed some time ago that tiles seem to be "dragged around" when you move the view. It's an old bug (possibly already fixed, haven't played in a while) and i don't know if it's related, but it's for sure due to twbt.
In my varios cases were usually bridge tiles that changed to wall ones when moving the visual or farm plots dragging on black tiles.
Welcome back, btw. Awesome work with the tileset.
Post by: mifki on January 04, 2018, 07:48:49 pm
I'm having a look at your save. It must be a twbt bug. It has the same output in the print-twbt-override script, both items use overrides, both items use transparencies, and both pedestals are of the same quality/material.
If you press "c" to stop displaying it, you see the crown. If you put it back on display, you see the crown, till you move the view once. As soon as twbt/df has to redraw the tiles, the crown turns invisible.
I noticed some time ago that tiles seem to be "dragged around" when you move the view. It's an old bug (possibly already fixed, haven't played in a while) and i don't know if it's related, but it's for sure due to twbt.
In my varios cases were usually bridge tiles that changed to wall ones when moving the visual or farm plots dragging on black tiles.
Welcome back, btw. Awesome work with the tileset.
With tilesets like Meph's, "twbt redraw_all 1" must be used.
Post by: IlFedaykin on January 04, 2018, 08:29:47 pm
Post by: mifki on January 04, 2018, 08:38:59 pm
I see, I was mistaken. Thanks for the mod, anyway, it really makes wonderful things possible.
Not your fault, Meph should have this in his dfhack.init actually, don't know why he didn't notice problems without it.
Post by: jecowa on January 04, 2018, 08:41:17 pm
With tilesets like Meph's, "twbt redraw_all 1" must be used.
Is this because nearly everything in the pack is using overrides?
Is the disadvantage to this feature that it requires more GPU power?
Post by: mifki on January 04, 2018, 08:59:22 pm
With tilesets like Meph's, "twbt redraw_all 1" must be used.
Is this because nearly everything in the pack is using overrides?
Is the disadvantage to this feature that it requires more GPU power?
It's required when there are many overrides for a single tile number, usually affecting terrain. In that case it may happen that neither a tile nor its colour in the buffer changes when scrolling but still has to be processed because after overrides it will be different. With this option TWBT processes all tiles every frame.
Not GPU but yeah it requires more processing, but we don't have a choice anyway. Eventually TWBT will undergo a major rewrite which is required to support multiple GPU textures and overrides for all workshop tiles, and I'm going to change (hopefully also meaning optimise) how the tiles are processed, and this option won't be needed.
Post by: jecowa on January 05, 2018, 12:07:42 am
In the main graphics tilesheet on tile 219 (the full "box" of the box characters), there's a little strip in the alpha channel that might be miscolored. It's noticeable in the mining designations:
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Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 01:37:45 am
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twbt redraw_all 0|1 This command controls the full redraw mode, in which all tiles are updated each frame - useful for some tilesets in case of graphics issues when scrolling.
Mifki did indeed fix it, but it's off by default since the script works harder when it's on, possibly affecting framerate.
Post by: Kromtec on January 05, 2018, 02:33:57 am
Those chambers look very royal :) Are the walls engraved or just smoothed?Yes, the walls are all engraved. My main engraver has an obsession with a peregrin falcon woman who is the sheriff of my civilization, so most of the engravings are about her. ;D
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 02:50:41 am
(https://i.imgur.com/sJN95Nw.png)
Post by: Kromtec on January 05, 2018, 04:38:27 am
(https://i.imgur.com/4JhHumm.png)
Post by: jecowa on January 05, 2018, 05:17:34 am
Code: [Select]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeBranches:_MDF_overrides_2:60] papaya
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeBranchesSmooth:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeTwigs:_MDF_overrides_2:60]I'm wondering if it needs to have an override that specifies the trunk of the tree instead of the branches. I'm not very familiar with overrides codes, but you might try adding this to your overrides.txt file:
Code: [Select]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeTrunk:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeTrunkInterior:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeTrunkSloping:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeTrunkPillar:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeCap:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeCapPillar:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeCapRamp:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:Trunk:_MDF_overrides_2:60]Maybe one of those will work.
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 05:39:50 am
I'm currently re-doing cavern creatures.
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Gorlak. A small, round humanoid found wandering the caves deep underground. Most of its body is taken up by a huge tusked mouth.
Gorlaks are small good-aligned humanoids encountered in cavern areas. Despite their appearance they are mostly harmless, although will prove to be an annoyance due to spamming cancelled jobs, and occasional weak attacks against animals or sleeping dwarves. Easily dispatched by even a novice military dwarf and/or most civilians. Gorlaks can learn, so they may visit a fortress.
(https://i.imgur.com/5W3Sdts.png)
I hope to one day see some visiting a fort. :D
Post by: Kromtec on January 05, 2018, 06:24:29 am
I think I see the problem. It looks like maybe there is a papaya fruit attached to the trunk of the papaya tree. The same thing might be happening to Bananas and Dates. Most fruits attach themselves to the branches, but Papaya, Banana, and Date attach to the trunk of the tree. These are the current overrides for the papaya fruit:Code: [Select][OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeBranches:_MDF_overrides_2:60] papaya
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeBranchesSmooth:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeTwigs:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
I'm wondering if it needs to have an override that specifies the trunk of the tree instead of the branches. I'm not very familiar with overrides codes, but you might try adding this to your overrides.txt file:Code: [Select][OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeTrunk:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeTrunkInterior:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeTrunkSloping:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeTrunkPillar:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeCap:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeCapPillar:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:TreeCapRamp:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:Trunk:_MDF_overrides_2:60]
Maybe one of those will work.
Thanks, that worked!
(https://i.imgur.com/T1L7ayI.png)
These lines where invalid though:
(https://i.imgur.com/6u26Gsg.png)
Please let me know if that fixes it. Trees are very hard to test, since I can't spawn them or find specific ones at embark.Wow, now I want a gorlak scholar in my library.
I'm currently re-doing cavern creatures.QuoteGorlak. A small, round humanoid found wandering the caves deep underground. Most of its body is taken up by a huge tusked mouth.
Gorlaks are small good-aligned humanoids encountered in cavern areas. Despite their appearance they are mostly harmless, although will prove to be an annoyance due to spamming cancelled jobs, and occasional weak attacks against animals or sleeping dwarves. Easily dispatched by even a novice military dwarf and/or most civilians. Gorlaks can learn, so they may visit a fortress.
(https://i.imgur.com/5W3Sdts.png)
I hope to one day see some visiting a fort. :D
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 06:46:52 am
How about plump helmet men?
(https://i.imgur.com/HF69n0l.png)
Post by: ZM5 on January 05, 2018, 06:59:28 am
Fun fact - PHM are more like "mushroom golems" than "mushroom people". They don't even have fingers or toes.
I admit that this tileset seems to go for a bit sillyness, going from the Spongebob and Sonic tiles, so maybe aside from tiny moustaches you could have TF2 spy-masks on the spies.
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 07:11:27 am
Post by: Rose on January 05, 2018, 07:12:17 am
And it's mushroom men without faces.
Post by: ZM5 on January 05, 2018, 07:15:25 am
Post by: Kromtec on January 05, 2018, 07:15:53 am
Gorlaks do have faces... BODY_HEAD:BASIC_3PARTARMS:BASIC_3PARTLEGS:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE. The color, you are absolutely right... I took the wiki picture as reference, should have checked the raws.
No, he meant the plump helmet men.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Gorlaks according to Toady:
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Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 07:19:31 am
Goldenrod skin and red eyes coming up...
(https://i.imgur.com/UeTCshW.png)
Any other things I've gotten wrong on the next_underground file?
(https://i.imgur.com/nm39ecx.png)
It's floatin guts, drunian, creeping eye, cave crawler, blind cave ogre, cap hopper.
magma crab, crundle, hungry head, flesh ball, elk bird, helmet snake.
green devourer, rutherer, creepy crawler, draltha, giant earthworm, blood man.
bug bat, manera, molemarian, jabberer, pond grabber, blind cave bear.
cave dragon, reacher, gabbro man, gorlak, cave floater, plump helmet man.
cave blob, amethyst man.
87 tiles in total. ^^
The missing children sprites are for the creatures without male/female caste. They can't have children, so I didnt design any.
Post by: jecowa on January 05, 2018, 07:53:09 am
(https://i.imgur.com/i0cB3SL.png)
They're creepier with no faces.
Post by: Rose on January 05, 2018, 07:55:01 am
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 08:32:23 am
Post by: ZM5 on January 05, 2018, 08:49:31 am
They're creepier with no faces.Heh, yeah.
Admittedly, a lot of the creature would probably be a lot creepier than how the community interprets them. I.e people use the "cutebold" interpretation a lot, but given the drawing Toady used for them in Kobold Quest, and their in-game raws making their eyes glow yellow (their pupils themselves are yellow too), you probably wouldn't want to come across one on a dark night, despite how cowardly they are.
EDIT: Took a bit of a closer look at the green devourer - they are basically two-legged armless things with a featureless "head" that has no neck. They have those two fanged tentacles though. Think this drawing (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/a9/ba/5ca9ba3713d5752d3fe6e2c62416174d.jpg) best demonstrates what they'd look like (though they have no eye on their "head" - I think their "bizarre appearance" prefstring is sorta underselling the truth).
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 09:03:20 am
(https://i.imgur.com/LCE0GyA.png)
But I thought it would be nicer to have a more... normal, friendly version, since they seem to be intelligent, fort-visiting entities that read and tell poetry and dance and the like.
Oh so slowly making progress...
riverlakepool_new
(https://i.imgur.com/LLKJ6Oj.png)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 05, 2018, 09:19:10 am
Post by: Kromtec on January 05, 2018, 09:21:56 am
draltha - should be a huge massive grazer
manera - too similar face with crundle and gorlak - mouth should be more shark like according to wiki
jabberer - doesn't look frightening - looks like a giant puffy fledgling
cave blob - should have a leathery half transparent skin filled with orange liquid
gorlak - I like the first design, but given that there is a drawing by toady himself I would give it tusks
plump helmet man - if you go with the more cute look - don't make the cap completely symmetric and I vote for no face :)
I personally don't mind if there are some easter egg sprites for rare creatures like the spider man or sonic ones.
But I don't think the more common creatures, especially the cave creatures should be to much "cutified" or made into a joke.
Post by: Vordak on January 05, 2018, 09:24:27 am
What a stormy discussion of mushrooms.
Upd. child or other variation.
(https://i.imgur.com/bnlaefS.png)
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 09:46:42 am
Vordak, could you try your hand at the cat-people? Like lion man, cheetah man, etc? They give me a bit of trouble. ^^ (or birds_new.png. I really don't like that file.)
Post by: Vordak on January 05, 2018, 10:04:43 am
birds_new.png - is there a version without a background? How I understand that there are only to draw weapons and some clothes.
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 10:11:52 am
I will try with cats. How many it will take time - unknown, now unfortunately there are urgent matters IRL.No worries, take your time. :)
birds_new.png - is there a version without a background? How I understand that there are only to draw weapons and some clothes.
About the birds: I don't have any of them without the background. I've been busy removing it by hand the last 2 days... ^^ But I meant re-doing them, making better birds. And like all old files, they lack the children and zombie versions. I'm really not satisfied with how they look atm.
Post by: Vordak on January 05, 2018, 10:18:19 am
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 10:39:42 am
(https://i.imgur.com/tZLzgKd.png)
My old bird-men just look so crappy. ^^
Edit: Mh, it's actually fine if I make a individual sprite for each one, instead of recoloring and adding heads... Adding different wings and feet to it, and colored trousers, and they already look much more diverse.
(https://i.imgur.com/PvmARbD.png)
Post by: Vordak on January 05, 2018, 10:58:33 am
Most importantly thing - it is to correctly make a pattern.
From pants probably need to get rid of - either at all or replaced by a loincloth.
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 11:14:21 am
I found patterns useful, if the creatures end up with the same body. For example grizzly bear, black bear, polar bear, cave bear... not sure if that will be true for all bird types.
birds.png finished:
(https://i.imgur.com/Bh6xj3t.png)
Pff... that makes 249 sprites for today so far. :)
Post by: Vordak on January 05, 2018, 11:22:58 am
So they will be more different from the more civilized beings.
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 11:47:02 am
Edit: subterranean done. I outsourced the animal-men that are in tribes to their own file, because they will get more military sprites and the like. And the file has many vermin and single-caste creatures that can't have children... all in all fewer sprites than expected.
(https://i.imgur.com/xsNc28E.png)
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 03:44:36 pm
<<< ☼Download☼ - V1.9 for DF 44.03 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
Update!
(https://i.imgur.com/KiryPQV.png)
A quality-of-life update. Mostly fixes and improvements of already existing tiles, as well as activity zones and notifications. The other big addition are zombies and children for about... 300 creatures or so, so about 600 new sprites. I also made over 1200 creature sprites with transparent background, and added professions like scholars, fighters or performers to some animal-men, Gorlaks and Plump Helmet people.
I also included Vordaks dwarf sprites (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165118.0). They are now the default dwarf graphic; the old ObsidianSoul/Meph dwarves are also included in an extra folder as an optional feature.
Spoiler: Here are Vordaks dwarves: (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Ingame (click to show/hide)
Thank you Vordak! :)
Visiting adventurers:
(https://i.imgur.com/UeTCshW.png)
Example of new children and zombie sprites:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Screenshots, here we go:
Spoiler: Icons for dancers, poets, etc (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: A storyteller (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Track stops are fixed (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Wagons are fixed, smoke and miasma share its tile (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Traffic designations (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Construction and channel designations (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Most of the new creature sprites (click to show/hide)
Credits:
- Vordak for his dwarf sprites.
- Denzi for a few creature sprites.
- Obsidian Soul for a lot of the creature sprites.
- Thanks to Jecowa, Mrok Girl and Kromtec for the good feedback and bug reports/solutions.
Changelog:
- Vermin got their background back. (Creature transparency does not work on vermin)
- Fixed corpse-tiles for military dwarves, military humans and military elves.
- Fixed display of stockpiles on top of plants.
- Carried boulders look like boulders again. (Eggs in nestboxes now look like boulders)
- New Ash tiles. (3)
- New broken ammo tiles. (2)
- Pixies, Mosquitoes, Flies, Acorn Flies and Blood Gnats are no longer "swarms", but normal vermin. This gives them proper graphic sprites. (Sideeffect: Cats can kill them)
- Children-playing-make-believe are now transparent.
- New tile for Activity-Zones, aka pastures, hospital, etc.
- Wagons of caravans look much, much better.
- New smoke/miasma tiles.
- New tile for construction designation (the blinking 'C' in vanilla DF)
- Added about 600 new (or improved) sprites for creatures, especially child-version and undead-versions.
- Gave about 1000 creature sprites transparent backgrounds.
- Removed Gauges from Still, seemed too high-tech.
- Added sprite for roc nests (in adv-mode)
- Added sprites for musical notes, dancing and singing.
- Added book-sprite for reading dwarves.
- Fixed wrong sprites for banana and papaya fruits.
Post by: Kromtec on January 05, 2018, 04:05:12 pm
This looks awesome, sooo many cool fixes and improvements. I think I will start a new fortress with this version of the set. :)
Post by: Hylum on January 05, 2018, 04:40:13 pm
Also thank you to all others involved with helping Meph on this project, awesome work!
Post by: jecowa on January 05, 2018, 05:39:40 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/iAnQKTs.png)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 05, 2018, 05:52:14 pm
Post by: EvilWaffleThing on January 05, 2018, 06:12:47 pm
How would I go about updating my masterwork DF to use this?
I haven't played in years so I've forgotten how to mod the game.
Post by: Vordak on January 05, 2018, 06:27:22 pm
- Removed Gauges from Still, seemed too high-tech.It seems like everything in the old.
Also Ballista head(Up) from Meph_32x32and Meph_32x32-bg shifted by 1 pixel to the right from a symmetrical position.
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2018, 06:27:48 pm
Awesome work meph, it looks great!You can't. It would break everything. This is a tileset for vanilla DF.
How would I go about updating my masterwork DF to use this?
I haven't played in years so I've forgotten how to mod the game.
Edit: Started a little test-fort here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=169003.0)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 05, 2018, 06:45:33 pm
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Calanndra/songwise%203.jpg)
Two bards are chanting and the rest are simulating instruments, in a performance for the outpost liaison and some of their mates.
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Post by: LeoCean on January 05, 2018, 06:50:10 pm
Post by: EvilWaffleThing on January 05, 2018, 07:07:19 pm
You can't. It would break everything. This is a tileset for vanilla DF.
Edit: Started a little test-fort here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=169003.0)
I see, that's a shame but still a nice looking pack!
Thanks for the prompt response.
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2018, 03:04:22 am
He probably meant how would he go about taking the graphics from this over to masterwork, and that'd be rough(not compared with what you do of course), especially with all the creature tile changes. Gl.Not only those, but also all items. Weapons, armors, tools... all plants... and of course the fact that Masterwork has about three times as much stuff than vanilla, of of which missing graphics.
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2018, 03:31:19 am
Spoiler: 1 month ingame (click to show/hide)
They keep respawning in giant swarms.
I think I might have found the reason:
Normal pop-number: [POPULATION_NUMBER:10:20]... mosquitos: [POPULATION_NUMBER:2500:5000].
Normal cluster-number: None or [CLUSTER_NUMBER:5:10]... mosquitos: [CLUSTER_NUMBER:100:200].
Post by: jecowa on January 06, 2018, 04:37:34 am
Spoiler: 1 month ingame (click to show/hide)
They keep respawning in giant swarms.
Could be the start of a 12 plagues mod.
Post by: mifki on January 06, 2018, 05:46:12 am
Post by: Novaris on January 06, 2018, 05:55:19 am
EDIT: and dwarfes carrying or drinking out of glass goblets look like being caged :D but as it seems only when they drink out of the stockpile, if the pot is on the ground the flashing green goblet is vissible.
EDIT²: I anyway seem to have a weird bookcase infection going on in my fortress. hauled bars of metal look like bookcases as well :D
EDIT³: AND animals in pastures have the bookcase as background :D Also dwarfes in meeting areas stand in front of a bookcase .D
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2018, 07:42:13 am
Hauled bars, sure. They share a tile, but that's normal with the carried items.
I didn't consider drinking dwarves... I fixed that, they show a goblet now. Also while carrying goblets.
Edit: Ok, a few fixes.
Dwarves carrying tools look like this now:
(https://i.imgur.com/itVfCib.gif)
The bookcase-background in activity-zones is gone. It was because animals with transparency were on top of the overridden activity-zone tile.
Carried and used goblets (aka drinking from) look like goblets again.
No idea about the "dwarfes in meeting areas stand in front of a bookcase" you mentioned. Edit2: Ah... you meant the meeting area zone. That's fixed too. :)
downside: Carried bars now look like a zone-tile, but there is only so much that I can do. :/
Post by: Rose on January 06, 2018, 08:06:21 am
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2018, 08:19:51 am
So yeah, sure, please go ahead. There are two sets of dwarves btw, one set is by Vordak, not me. Also credit Obsidian Soul please, he did a lot of the creatures and items, but he never released his own set with them, only posted mock-ups.
Post by: Rose on January 06, 2018, 08:23:15 am
The dwarfs I don't need anyway, because I have nice high res sprites of those (Also mushroom men and badger men and snake men) but the other animals are all in a style that doesn't really fit very well. (Gemset, which looks great on its own, but not so much with the rest)
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2018, 08:24:42 am
Post by: Rose on January 06, 2018, 08:31:11 am
Though feel free to make as many creatures transparent as you can ;)
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2018, 08:37:23 am
<<< ☼Download☼ - V1.91 for DF 44.03 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
UPDATE 1.91
Quick bugfix update. Following fixes:
- Added "twbt redraw_all 1" to the init, so no artefacts while scrolling anymore.
- Fixed giant insect swarms. (mosquito, fly, acorn fly, pixie and blood gnats)
- Fixed a few transparency issues on humans and elves.
- Made procedually generated creatures transparent. (Titans, FBs, Demons and Nightcreatures)
- Fixed 5 tiles with leftover pixels.
- Fixed grass flower tiles. (the looked like cavern moss)
- Added two new tiles for grass flowers.
- All carried items now look like a small box. (That the dwarf uses to carry the item)
- Dwarves drinking from goblets/mugs now properly show goblets/mugs. Also applies to carried items.
- Creatures on activity zones (like dwarves in meeting areas or pastured animals on pastures) now show a highlighted background, instead of a bookcase.
- Plump helmet men have no faces anymore.
- Properly fixed date palms and papaya palms.
Special thanks to Jecowa for his continued support and suggested fixes. That helped so much. :)
Full changelog with the changes from yesterday:
Update 1.9!
(https://i.imgur.com/KiryPQV.png)
A quality-of-life update. Mostly fixes and improvements of already existing tiles, as well as activity zones and notifications. The other big addition are zombies and children for about... 300 creatures or so, so about 600 new sprites. I also made over 1200 creature sprites with transparent background, and added professions like scholars, fighters or performers to some animal-men, Gorlaks and Plump Helmet people.
I also included Vordaks dwarf sprites (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165118.0). They are now the default dwarf graphic; the old ObsidianSoul/Meph dwarves are also included in an extra folder as an optional feature.
Spoiler: Here are Vordaks dwarves: (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Ingame (click to show/hide)
Thank you Vordak! :)
Visiting adventurers:
(https://i.imgur.com/UeTCshW.png)
Example of new children and zombie sprites:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Screenshots, here we go:
Spoiler: Icons for dancers, poets, etc (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: A storyteller (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Track stops are fixed (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Wagons are fixed, smoke and miasma share its tile (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Traffic designations (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Construction and channel designations (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Most of the new creature sprites (click to show/hide)
Credits:
- Vordak for his dwarf sprites.
- Denzi for a few creature sprites.
- Obsidian Soul for a lot of the creature sprites.
- Thanks to Jecowa, Mrok Girl and Kromtec for the good feedback and bug reports/solutions.
Changelog:
- Vermin got their background back. (Creature transparency does not work on vermin)
- Fixed corpse-tiles for military dwarves, military humans and military elves.
- Fixed display of stockpiles on top of plants.
- Carried boulders look like boulders again. (Eggs in nestboxes now look like boulders)
- New Ash tiles. (3)
- New broken ammo tiles. (2)
- Pixies, Mosquitoes, Flies, Acorn Flies and Blood Gnats are no longer "swarms", but normal vermin. This gives them proper graphic sprites. (Sideeffect: Cats can kill them)
- Children-playing-make-believe are now transparent.
- New tile for Activity-Zones, aka pastures, hospital, etc.
- Wagons of caravans look much, much better.
- New smoke/miasma tiles.
- New tile for construction designation (the blinking 'C' in vanilla DF)
- Added about 600 new (or improved) sprites for creatures, especially child-version and undead-versions.
- Gave about 1000 creature sprites transparent backgrounds.
- Removed Gauges from Still, seemed too high-tech.
- Added sprite for roc nests (in adv-mode)
- Added sprites for musical notes, dancing and singing.
- Added book-sprite for reading dwarves.
- Fixed wrong sprites for banana and papaya fruits.
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2018, 10:15:20 am
(https://i.imgur.com/Os9ylL5.png)
Stonefall trap (trip-wire with a shadow on top). Pressure plate. Cage trap. Weapon trap. Spear/Spikes.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 06, 2018, 11:22:16 am
Post by: Rose on January 06, 2018, 11:54:44 am
so without faces and without a mouth, how can those toadmen tell tales?
They actually can't.
Post by: Kromtec on January 06, 2018, 12:23:46 pm
Two things I noticed:
Constructed bookcases look like zones
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fungiwood twigs and branches look like leaves
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Everything other looks great in my old embark!
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2018, 12:34:37 pm
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[OVERRIDE:240:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
[OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
[OVERRIDE:255:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zoneadd it to the overrides.txt in data/init, below ######, and you'll be fine. I finally found out about UNK_V42_2, which is apparently the correct tag for constructed bookcases. ^^
The trees are already in my todo list, but didnt find the time to fix it yet. I kinda want to give them mushroom-growth leaves.
edit: why are the miners in your screenshot black/white?
Post by: Kromtec on January 06, 2018, 12:40:14 pm
For the bookcases:Ok, thanks!Code: [Select][OVERRIDE:240:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
[OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
[OVERRIDE:255:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
add it to the overrides.txt in data/init, below ######, and you'll be fine. I finally found out about UNK_V42_2, which is apparently the correct tag for constructed bookcases. ^^
The trees are already in my todo list, but didnt find the time to fix it yet. I kinda want to give them mushroom-growth leaves.
edit: why are the miners in your screenshot black/white?They are legendary and flash between the colored and this black&white state. I took the screenshot exactly at the moment they flashed.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 06, 2018, 01:23:57 pm
For the bookcases:Code: [Select][OVERRIDE:240:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
[OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
[OVERRIDE:255:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
add it to the overrides.txt in data/init, below ######, and you'll be fine. I finally found out about UNK_V42_2, which is apparently the correct tag for constructed bookcases. ^^
The trees are already in my todo list, but didnt find the time to fix it yet. I kinda want to give them mushroom-growth leaves.
edit: why are the miners in your screenshot black/white?
Does that text go just in addition to the
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[OVERRIDE:240:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_5:238] i:zone
[OVERRIDE:255:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_5:238] i:zonethat is already there, or instead of it?
Post by: Vordak on January 06, 2018, 01:26:31 pm
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[OVERRIDE:240:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_5:238] i:zone
[OVERRIDE:255:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_5:238] i:zoneto -
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[OVERRIDE:240:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
[OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
[OVERRIDE:255:B:ANY_STORAGE:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2018, 01:48:05 pm
Working a bit more on creatures... zombie large_tropical:
(https://i.imgur.com/dPiYEpr.png)
Post by: Vordak on January 06, 2018, 04:09:27 pm
It was supposed to be a lionman.
Upd. add lion.
Upd. a side effect of the work) (https://i.imgur.com/TZOMKn9.gif)
Post by: LeoCean on January 06, 2018, 06:10:33 pm
(https://imgur.com/5UrMeOC.gif)
(https://imgur.com/3RmxQF5.gif)
Post by: LeoCean on January 06, 2018, 07:18:55 pm
Post by: Hylum on January 06, 2018, 07:19:57 pm
Post by: Meph on January 07, 2018, 05:15:25 am
I tried. Cheetah man, Tiger man, Leopard man, Lion man.
Post by: LeoCean on January 07, 2018, 06:01:51 am
Post by: Vordak on January 07, 2018, 06:10:07 am
I like it more (https://i.imgur.com/kQOszj0.png)
Cheetah man is good looking, but head should be slightly turned.
Tigerman (https://i.imgur.com/iB2W2xL.png)
Upd. Tzar of nature mutating to semiman(https://i.imgur.com/9eBNNnZ.png)
Post by: Novaris on January 07, 2018, 09:32:37 am
A few things that I saw:
- hauled bags look like cages
- a few corpses look like cages (stray billy goat skeleton, stray cavy sow corpse)
- display cases are somehow strange. Rings and bracelets look like a fish (I guess Nemo :D), the crown looks like a smoothed floor, the scepter is an arrow, an animal trap and a figurine look like cages, a weapon rack looks like cavern floor or grass from an evil biome, gauntlets look like armor, a mini-forge like a normal toy duck, same for the toy axe.
- when you move your green mouse cursor into the ashery, the tile you move the cursor into changes it's style.
Post by: Meph on January 07, 2018, 09:35:26 am
Edit: War and hunting version.
(https://i.imgur.com/GmdUmJg.png)
Post by: Novaris on January 07, 2018, 09:43:31 am
I'm currently reverting your external wall sections because I looks weird when you construct the walls to fill holes inside of your mointainhome. Also, the tiles of WC2 aleady have a fortification on top while in DF the wall can be built on and only the next z-level would have a fortification if needed so I would love another foritification style for the normal walls which looks more like an opening to shoot through, still fooling around with this and use this for both smoothed wall and constructed. or a variant of the smoothed for constructed (like with visible bricks instead of the ornament or so).
Post by: Meph on January 07, 2018, 09:58:18 am
If you dont want the new constructions, just delete this from init/overrides:
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#different wall tiles
[OVERRIDE:43:T:ConstructedFloor:_MDF_overrides_2:221]
[OVERRIDE:206:T:ConstructedFortification:_MDF_overrides_2:184]
[OVERRIDE:199:T:ConstructedPillar:_MDF_overrides_2:180]
[OVERRIDE:186:T:ConstructedWallUD:_MDF_overrides_2:167]
[OVERRIDE:205:T:ConstructedWallLR:_MDF_overrides_2:170]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_2:181]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_2:181]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_2:181]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_2:181]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_2:181]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_2:181]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_2:181]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_2:181]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_2:181]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_2:169]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_2:169]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_2:169]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_2:169]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_2:169]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_2:169]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_2:169]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_2:169]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_2:169]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_2:164]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_2:164]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_2:164]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_2:164]
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[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_2:164]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_2:164]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_2:164]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_2:164]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_2:168]
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[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_2:168]
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[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_2:168]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_2:168]
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[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_2:168]
[OVERRIDE:202:T:ConstructedWallLRU:_MDF_overrides_2:183]
[OVERRIDE:203:T:ConstructedWallLRD:_MDF_overrides_2:172]
[OVERRIDE:185:T:ConstructedWallLUD:_MDF_overrides_2:166]
[OVERRIDE:204:T:ConstructedWallRUD:_MDF_overrides_2:165]
[OVERRIDE:206:T:ConstructedWallLRUD:_MDF_overrides_2:171]
[OVERRIDE:62:T:ConstructedStairD:_MDF_overrides_2:186]
[OVERRIDE:60:T:ConstructedStairU:_MDF_overrides_2:187]
[OVERRIDE:88:T:ConstructedStairUD:_MDF_overrides_2:185]
#[OVERRIDE:88:T:ConstructedStairUD:_MDF_overrides_1:119::]old original
Post by: Novaris on January 07, 2018, 10:04:08 am
Just imagine being a poor stone detailer, spending the whole day smoothing walls and just by accident a dumb miner destroys the wall right next to your masterwork hallway. And instead of just replacing the wall to match the rest and move on he builds up a complete different wall style and even puts fortifications on top :D as a stone detailer I would throw a tantrum :D
But thanks for the hint about the override removal!
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 07, 2018, 10:47:46 am
I noticed myself that i wrote that rather complicated after posting it.
Just imagine being a poor stone detailer, spending the whole day smoothing walls and just by accident a dumb miner destroys the wall right next to your masterwork hallway. And instead of just replacing the wall to match the rest and move on he builds up a complete different wall style and even puts fortifications on top :D as a stone detailer I would throw a tantrum :D
But thanks for the hint about the override removal!
Do you mean crenelations? The teeth on top of the constructed wall?
Post by: Novaris on January 07, 2018, 10:54:09 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 07, 2018, 10:56:55 am
Post by: Vordak on January 07, 2018, 01:33:10 pm
Cat-humans:
Pattern, Lion, Tiger, Jaguar, Leopard, Cougar, Cheetah.
Post by: jecowa on January 07, 2018, 02:55:00 pm
Upd. a side effect of the work) (https://i.imgur.com/TZOMKn9.gif)Is Mifki adding animation support?
(https://i.imgur.com/q1iUihm.png)The new animal people eyes look a lot less goofy.
Cat-humans:
Pattern, Lion, Tiger, Jaguar, Leopard, Cougar, Cheetah.
(https://i.imgur.com/PTQewle.png)
This guy looks kind of familiar, though, but I don't know what from.
Edit: I just noticed that this graphics pack includes a bunch of files and folders other than the main "df_44_03_win" folder. I had heard about these, but had thought you must have forgotten to include them. I only noticed from watching the unrar process listing the files in the terminal window as it unpacked them. With so many files in my downloads folder, I didn't notice all the other ones being created before.
Post by: Novaris on January 07, 2018, 05:21:16 pm
Post by: Meph on January 07, 2018, 05:59:04 pm
Novaris: I better test that. Maybe something got mixed up, but I was quite certain that it looked fine in a test fort. I'll check. :)
Post by: Vordak on January 07, 2018, 06:05:17 pm
It seems the constructed Tracks are somehow misordered.What is your version of tileset? I have for example all right.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Novaris on January 07, 2018, 06:10:45 pm
EDIT: I just love this tileset :D Just now a bunch of succubi marched into my fortress and were quickly met with fire.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 07, 2018, 09:02:52 pm
Do you think it's the problem with the DFhack and/or the overrides messing with something, or should I post it as a bug on Mantis?
Link to the save tomorrow, because it takes forever to upload and I need to sleep now.
Post by: Novaris on January 07, 2018, 09:19:34 pm
- stockpile not in burrow while alarm active
- items forbidden or marked for dumping
- bins, barrels or bags used - items in bins are only available when there is no current job needing another item in the same barrel/bin/bag (consider quantum stockpiles if thats the case)
- burrow set to limit workshops into burrow / dwarf burrowed an not able to access stockpile
- another job running requiring cloth but job got suspended (like, in another workshop) - this job will block the bin with all the other cloth inside!
Post by: Meph on January 08, 2018, 01:50:28 am
Post by: Meph on January 08, 2018, 07:18:06 am
Here is the list of currently missing high-res creatures. You guys have been super kind with your input, so maybe some of you want to try your hand on them. All of them already exist in some way, but generally upscaled/blurry 16x16 versions with a background.
I'd be more than happy to make the children and zombie versions. But after so many days of staring at creature sprites, I need a break. ^^
Quote
##################\df_44_03_win\raw\graphics\graphics_4204_giant.txt (48 hits)
129: [GIANT_DEER]
136: [GIANT_FOX]
143: [GIANT_RACCOON]
150: [GIANT_MACAQUE_RHESUS]
157: [GIANT_COUGAR]
164: [GIANT_WOLF]
178: [GIANT_ALLIGATOR]
185: [GIANT_BUZZARD]
199: [GIANT_WARTHOG]
213: [GIANT_LEOPARD]
220: [GIANT_JAGUAR]
234: [GIANT_GAZELLE]
241: [GIANT_MANDRILL]
262: [GIANT_CROCODILE_SALTWATER]
269: [GIANT_VULTURE]
276: [GIANT_RHINOCEROS]
283: [GIANT_GIRAFFE]
339: [GIANT_TIGER]
##################\df_44_03_win\raw\graphics\graphics_4204_man.txt (48 hits)
10: [BLUEJAY_MAN]
17: [CARDINAL_MAN]
24: [GRACKLE_MAN]
31: [ORIOLE_MAN]
38: [RW_BLACKBIRD_MAN]
45: [FLY_MAN]
52: [ROACH_MAN]
94: [MARMOT_MAN]
129: [DEER_MAN]
136: [FOX_MAN]
143: [RACCOON_MAN]
150: [MACAQUE_RHESUS_MAN]
171: [GROUNDHOG_MAN]
178: [ALLIGATOR_MAN]
199: [WARTHOG_MAN]
234: [GAZELLE_MAN]
241: [MANDRILL_MAN]
262: [CROCODILE_SALTWATER_MAN]
283: [GIRAFFE_MAN]
290: [HONEY BADGER MAN]
##################\df_44_03_win\raw\graphics\graphics_birds_new.txt (84 hits)
17: [CROW_MAN]
24: [GIANT_CROW]
38: [RAVEN_MAN]
45: [GIANT_RAVEN]
52: [BIRD_CASSOWARY]
59: [CASSOWARY_MAN]
66: [GIANT_CASSOWARY]
73: [BIRD_KEA]
80: [KEA_MAN]
87: [GIANT_KEA]
101: [SNOWY_OWL_MAN]
108: [GIANT_SNOWY_OWL]
115: [SPARROW]
122: [SPARROW_MAN]
129: [GIANT_SPARROW]
136: [BIRD_STORK_WHITE] Black-faced Spoonbill
143: [WHITE_STORK_MAN]
150: [GIANT_WHITE_STORK]
157: [BIRD_LOON]
164: [LOON_MAN]
171: [GIANT_LOON]
178: [BIRD_OWL_BARN]
185: [BARN_OWL_MAN]
192: [GIANT_BARN_OWL]
199: [BIRD_PARAKEET]
206: [PARAKEET_MAN]
213: [GIANT_PARAKEET]
220: [BIRD_KAKAPO]
227: [KAKAPO_MAN]
234: [GIANT_KAKAPO]
241: [BIRD_PARROT_GREY]
248: [GREY_PARROT_MAN]
255: [GIANT_GREY_PARROT]
269: [PUFFIN_MAN]
276: [GIANT_PUFFIN]
283: [BIRD_SWAN]
290: [SWAN_MAN]
297: [GIANT_SWAN]
304: [BIRD_LORIKEET]
311: [LORIKEET_MAN]
318: [GIANT_LORIKEET]
325: [BIRD_WREN]
332: [WREN_MAN]
339: [GIANT_WREN]
346: [BIRD_OSPREY]
353: [OSPREY_MAN]
360: [GIANT_OSPREY]
367: [BIRD_EMU]
374: [EMU_MAN]
381: [GIANT_EMU]
388: [BIRD_COCKATIEL]
395: [COCKATIEL_MAN]
402: [GIANT_COCKATIEL]
409: [BIRD_LOVEBIRD_PEACH-FACED]
416: [PEACH-FACED_LOVEBIRD_MAN]
423: [GIANT_PEACH-FACED_LOVEBIRD]
430: [BIRD_MAGPIE]
437: [MAGPIE_MAN]
444: [GIANT_MAGPIE]
458: [KESTREL_MAN]
465: [GIANT_KESTREL]
472: [BIRD_ALBATROSS]
479: [ALBATROSS_MAN]
486: [GIANT_ALBATROSS]
493: [BIRD_OWL_GREAT_HORNED]
500: [GREAT_HORNED_OWL_MAN]
507: [GIANT_GREAT_HORNED_OWL]
514: [BIRD_EAGLE]
521: [EAGLE_MAN]
528: [GIANT_EAGLE]
542: [HORNBILL_MAN]
549: [GIANT_HORNBILL]
556: [BIRD_LOVEBIRD_MASKED]
563: [MASKED_LOVEBIRD_MAN]
570: [GIANT_MASKED_LOVEBIRD]
577: [BIRD_BUSHTIT]
584: [BUSHTIT_MAN]
591: [GIANT_BUSHTIT]
##################\df_44_03_win\raw\graphics\graphics_temperate_new.txt (63 hits)
17: [WILD_BOAR_MAN]
24: [GIANT_WILD_BOAR]
38: [COYOTE_MAN]
45: [GIANT_COYOTE]
59: [KANGAROO_MAN]
66: [GIANT_KANGAROO]
80: [KOALA_MAN]
87: [GIANT_KOALA]
108: [ECHIDNA]
136: [PORCUPINE]
213: [GIANT_BOBCAT]
220: [SKUNK]
227: [SKUNK_MAN]
234: [GIANT_SKUNK]
262: [HARE]
269: [HARE_MAN]
283: [RATTLESNAKE]
290: [RATTLESNAKE_MAN]
297: [GIANT_RATTLESNAKE]
304: [WEASEL]
311: [WEASEL_MAN]
318: [GIANT_WEASEL]
325: [COPPERHEAD_SNAKE]
332: [COPPERHEAD_SNAKE_MAN]
339: [GIANT_COPPERHEAD_SNAKE]
346: [IBEX]
353: [IBEX_MAN]
360: [GIANT_IBEX]
374: [WOMBAT_MAN]
381: [GIANT_WOMBAT]
395: [DINGO_MAN]
402: [GIANT_DINGO]
423: [GIANT_COATI]
430: [OPOSSUM]
437: [OPOSSUM_MAN]
444: [GIANT_OPOSSUM]
##################\df_44_03_win\raw\graphics\graphics_tropical_new.txt (60 hits)
10: [MONGOOSE]
17: [MONGOOSE_MAN]
24: [GIANT_MONGOOSE]
38: [HYENA_MAN]
45: [GIANT_HYENA]
80: [MONITOR_LIZARD_MAN]
87: [MONITOR_LIZARD]
94: [KING_COBRA]
101: [KING_COBRA_MAN]
108: [GIANT_KING_COBRA]
129: [GIANT_OCELOT]
143: [JACKAL_MAN]
150: [GIANT_JACKAL]
178: [SLOTH]
185: [SLOTH_MAN]
192: [GIANT_SLOTH]
220: [PANGOLIN]
227: [PANGOLIN_MAN]
241: [BLACK_MAMBA]
248: [BLACK_MAMBA_MAN]
255: [GIANT_BLACK_MAMBA]
283: [AYE-AYE]
290: [AYE-AYE_MAN]
297: [GIANT_AYE-AYE]
304: [BUSHMASTER]
311: [BUSHMASTER_MAN]
318: [GIANT_BUSHMASTER]
These are kinda done... all creature sprites exist, but no unique sprites for giant, child or zombie.
##################\df_44_03_win\raw\graphics\graphics_ocean_new.txt (33 hits)
17: [OCTOPUS_MAN]
24: [GIANT_OCTOPUS]
31: [CRAB]
66: [GIANT_LEOPARD_SEAL]
73: [CUTTLEFISH]
80: [CUTTLEFISH_MAN]
87: [GIANT_CUTTLEFISH]
94: [ORCA]
101: [ORCA_MAN]
115: [SPONGE]
122: [SPONGE_MAN]
129: [GIANT_SPONGE]
136: [HORSESHOE_CRAB]
143: [HORSESHOE_CRAB_MAN]
164: [SPERM_WHALE_MAN]
171: [GIANT_SPERM_WHALE]
192: [GIANT_ELEPHANT_SEAL]
213: [GIANT_HARP_SEAL]
220: [NAUTILUS]
227: [NAUTILUS_MAN]
Post by: Novaris on January 08, 2018, 08:12:49 am
Post by: Meph on January 08, 2018, 08:29:39 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 08, 2018, 09:41:23 am
A few possible reasons:
- bins, barrels or bags used - items in bins are only available when there is no current job needing another item in the same barrel/bin/bag (consider quantum stockpiles if thats the case)
I think this is what might be a problem - I have two clothes workshops both doing stuff but only one stockpile. I didn't even know this is a thing that might happen with the bins being used :O Time for a quantum stockpile then O_o
Post by: Novaris on January 08, 2018, 10:24:35 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 08, 2018, 10:45:29 am
A few possible reasons:i stopped using bins in the latest forts and haven't had any such job cancelation at all.
- stockpile not in burrow while alarm active
- items forbidden or marked for dumping
- bins, barrels or bags used - items in bins are only available when there is no current job needing another item in the same barrel/bin/bag (consider quantum stockpiles if thats the case)
- burrow set to limit workshops into burrow / dwarf burrowed an not able to access stockpile
- another job running requiring cloth but job got suspended (like, in another workshop) - this job will block the bin with all the other cloth inside!
never had that with barrels at all, so i guess it's only the bins (or the stuff i store in barrels and bags is less likely to be the object of multiple dwarves' jobs)
Post by: Novaris on January 08, 2018, 11:19:42 am
You can encounter them in barrels as well, if beer is used for cooking and another dwarf wants to drink from the same barrel.
@Meph:
An interesting side effect: when you hover the mouse over any of the furniture (cabinets, coffers, chest, beds) but NOT the statues or tables or chairs, the curour changes to the designation tile. :D
Post by: Meph on January 08, 2018, 11:38:30 am
I had to move 4 tiles around (cage and 3 grasses), make new -bg and -top files for them, write overrides for levers, move them around, make -bg and -top entries for the new lever positions, then move the grasses and the cage to where the levers (and two other free tiles) where, just so that I can fill the 4 tiles for track-stop-designations for proper graphics.
Df really doens't make it easy sometimes. It took a while.
Post by: Boltgun on January 08, 2018, 12:09:33 pm
Just now a bunch of succubi marched into my fortress and were quickly met with fire.
/me laughs in FIREIMMUNE. :P
Magma cannot be crossed however.
Some feedback, playing with Vordak's additions.
* When a worker goes to the mason's shop, he is located on top of the slab (center tile). Could it be possible to move the slab and its base one tile up so it look like he is corking on it instead ?
* Sand and sand walls have low contrast, making it hard to figure ground from wall (from a previous version, in case you took a look at it already).
* Most furniture and items, when held, look like mess. I know we can display an override when an unit is holding the item, but would it be possible to have a generic tile for furniture and one for items for the game to display?
* My main motivation about Vordak is the removal of the engraver tile. It's nice on paper but it only look good if the engraver is on the tile working. As I tend to design large space for engraving, I keep seeing a bunch of dwarves where they aren't any.
I'll add screen shots later on.
Post by: Meph on January 08, 2018, 12:48:00 pm
The sand floor is already darker... still not high enough contrast?
I can't move the tile in the masons shop. Positions are hardcoded.
Edit: Found out today that supports had no sprite yet. Bottom right:
(https://i.imgur.com/vcUTbft.png)
It's supposed to be a scaffolding. I also tweaked the colors on the furniture... that's all wood furniture in the pic, it has a lot more highlights. The chest was fun. ^^
Post by: Vordak on January 08, 2018, 01:38:47 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/XFeXQcq.png)
Post by: Novaris on January 08, 2018, 02:08:05 pm
I modded the race a little so it is not fireimmune ;-) they are now as orcs sirface living creatures that march into battle with steel and adamantium :-D orcs only ise steel. I wanted to make invading forces a little more interesting without making all lava based fun void. And I used a tileset for them that I found in of the mods here. If it was yours then THANK YOU for those :-D
@Meph
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Post by: Hylum on January 08, 2018, 02:11:45 pm
I found a few strange things but haven't uploaded any pics yet let me know if you want to see some screen shots.
1. When looking a trade depot access it only shows solid Red and Green blocks, it does not show the letters to let you know if you have [W] Wagon and [D] Depot access.
2. Not sure if this is a game bug or related to the graphics pack but I am getting giant swarms of Flys that are never ending on my Embarks. They seem to be attracted to a large pile of different Plant food parts that are just randomly sitting on the map and are shown as a Farmed Plant tile.
3. This is just an inquiry and I wanted to know what you think. It could look really good if the workshops had there own floors like maybe a fixed color carpet (Like your Red carpets) and leave a little of the surface ground type showing underneath around the edges, or maybe a slight change of tint of the natural surface its built on, something that defines the workshop area more clearly.
4. is there anyway to make the stockpile graphics transparent so that you can tell there is a stockpile there but the surface soil underneath mostly shows through. I just think this may be more aesthetically pleasing.
5. not a big fan of the constructed walls having there own graphic. The graphics are really good though and I am not completely against the idea. I like to be able to build walls to match the ones that I have mined out. also it would be even better if constructed walls would blend in and properly connect into mined out walls. Is it also possible to engrave constructed walls somehow, this makes sense right?
6. Stone doors don't really seem to look like doors.
7. The engraver tile could be changed to something less busy looking like maybe just a transparent overlay of the engraved wall graphic until it is actually engraved. Some times the engraving status can sit there for some time before a dwarf actually gets around to it.
8. I like the Mason Workshop Vordak suggested :P
Post by: Boltgun on January 08, 2018, 03:01:31 pm
@Boltgun
I modded the race a little so it is not fireimmune ;-) they are now as orcs sirface living creatures that march into battle with steel and adamantium :-D orcs only ise steel. I wanted to make invading forces a little more interesting without making all lava based fun void. And I used a tileset for them that I found in of the mods here. If it was yours then THANK YOU for those :-D
Nice, Meph made the tileset. I am including the compatible set in a future release.
But you only see the engravers when you designate it, right?
The sand floor is already darker... still not high enough contrast?
I can't move the tile in the masons shop. Positions are hardcoded.
It's seeing dwarves where there is no dwarves that confuses me. Maybe I'm just used for designation to be abstract symbols. Plus if I test it with succubi it's extra odd, but I simply enjoy having an alternative with Vordak's variant.
Tried a new embark in a yellow desert, sand is looking good. I must have been having issues in an older version.
Post by: Novaris on January 08, 2018, 04:00:39 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: mifki on January 08, 2018, 04:06:06 pm
I also played around with the stockpile tile and as I only build fortresses out of stone and all my floors are usually smoothed or constructed I came up with this tile:notice the faint image of a box engraved in the floor tile. I think it looks quite neat and isn't so prominent as the original stockpile tile.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you don't want stockpile background, have you tried "twbt hide_stockpiles 1"?
Post by: Novaris on January 08, 2018, 04:09:52 pm
No and actually I do like to have a tile for them do distinguish them from the normal floor tiles I just wanted to have something that fits more seemlessly into the normal smoothed floor. What would be great though is a possibility to have the stockpile tile automatically change its color to fit the background stone (so a dark gray on dark stone, yellow on orthoclase and so on)
Post by: jecowa on January 08, 2018, 04:35:33 pm
Post by: Meph on January 08, 2018, 04:43:18 pm
Hi Meph,
I found a few strange things but haven't uploaded any pics yet let me know if you want to see some screen shots.
1. When looking a trade depot access it only shows solid Red and Green blocks, it does not show the letters to let you know if you have [W] Wagon and [D] Depot access.
Intended change.
2. Not sure if this is a game bug or related to the graphics pack but I am getting giant swarms of Flys that are never ending on my Embarks. They seem to be attracted to a large pile of different Plant food parts that are just randomly sitting on the map and are shown as a Farmed Plant tile.
I fixed that in my dev version. Microvermin swarms had too high cluster numbers. I changed everything back to vanilla df.
3. This is just an inquiry and I wanted to know what you think. It could look really good if the workshops had there own floors like maybe a fixed color carpet (Like your Red carpets) and leave a little of the surface ground type showing underneath around the edges, or maybe a slight change of tint of the natural surface its built on, something that defines the workshop area more clearly.
not possible
4. is there anyway to make the stockpile graphics transparent so that you can tell there is a stockpile there but the surface soil underneath mostly shows through. I just think this may be more aesthetically pleasing.
sure. just enter "twbt hide_stockpiles 1" into dfhack.
5. not a big fan of the constructed walls having there own graphic. The graphics are really good though and I am not completely against the idea. I like to be able to build walls to match the ones that I have mined out. also it would be even better if constructed walls would blend in and properly connect into mined out walls. Is it also possible to engrave constructed walls somehow, this makes sense right?
not possible.
6. Stone doors don't really seem to look like doors.
I think they look fine. It's up for interpretation of course ^^
7. The engraver tile could be changed to something less busy looking like maybe just a transparent overlay of the engraved wall graphic until it is actually engraved. Some times the engraving status can sit there for some time before a dwarf actually gets around to it.
Yeah, you are not the first to suggest it. I probably change it, especially since it has to fit both my dwarves and vordaks dwarves.
8. I like the Mason Workshop Vordak suggested :P
ok
Novaris: Please upload screenshots as .png. The jpg-compression makes everything blurry. But I'd be interested in seeing those alternate floor tiles.
I'm not sure if stockpiles support transparency, but I can in theory fiddle around a bit. I do like them as they are though, they give a very clear border between stockpile and not-stockpile.
Post by: Novaris on January 08, 2018, 04:58:19 pm
EDIT: I meanwhile put it on DFFD
(http://dffd.bay12games.com/download.php?id=13395&f=workshops.PNG)
Post by: Hylum on January 08, 2018, 05:04:04 pm
Novaris: Not bad but maybe a little more defined than that haha. maybe slight shade difference.
Post by: Meph on January 08, 2018, 05:09:18 pm
What is that in front of the bookcases? floor grate and... ?
Post by: Hylum on January 08, 2018, 05:10:08 pm
Post by: Meph on January 08, 2018, 05:12:06 pm
Post by: Novaris on January 08, 2018, 05:21:05 pm
I upload on imgur, they dont compress pngs. ??? Maybe you can post just the one tile, in 32x32 px.
What is that in front of the bookcases? floor grate and... ?
...and an override error on my side :D i fixed it already. below the upload of the single tile
(https://i.imgur.com/q7ZNzlW.png)
EDIT:
@Hylum:
Like this?
(https://i.imgur.com/eJ1Mgrf.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5lDDcoO.png)
Post by: Hylum on January 08, 2018, 06:26:56 pm
EDIT:
@Hylum:
Like this?
(https://i.imgur.com/eJ1Mgrf.png)
That looks good, something like that would work for sure.
Post by: Hylum on January 08, 2018, 06:27:55 pm
I'm not sure how vermin token behave in already generated worlds. I'll upload v.1.92 today or tomorrow, it will have a fix.
Ok cool :D
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 08, 2018, 06:34:25 pm
I also played around with the stockpile tile and as I only build fortresses out of stone and all my floors are usually smoothed or constructed I came up with this tile:notice the faint image of a box engraved in the floor tile. I think it looks quite neat and isn't so prominent as the original stockpile tile.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I can only barely tell there is something there. I don't think I would like that in my fort :(
Post by: Meph on January 08, 2018, 06:52:36 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/RjWSNeK.png)
Left: Engraving designation tile.
Right: Stockpile. I simply added a border/shading to it.
Other new stuff I've been working on:
(https://i.imgur.com/Z0KTYF2.png)
Floodgates, vertical bars, floor bars, wall grate, support (should look like scaffolding, not really happy with it), new craftsmen workshop tile.
Weapon trap, pressure plate, cage trap, stonefall trap, hive, remains, new still tile, new craftsmen workshop tile.
Roc nest, new jewelers tiles (one looks a bit like a wall because it's impassable), tanner gets green color back, loom gets magenta/red color back, slade pillar, track-end designation.
Post by: Isher on January 08, 2018, 06:56:47 pm
EDIT: The border on the stockpile makes it pop, I like that.
Post by: Novaris on January 08, 2018, 07:07:22 pm
as for the scaffolding: maybe a simple wood floor and a ladder thorugh it? (https://i.imgur.com/uhXdNq0.png)
Post by: Vordak on January 08, 2018, 07:24:55 pm
Post by: Isher on January 08, 2018, 07:27:20 pm
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/wM1jaFpeTNa_ao2cEtmJnA.png)
It's a little busy maybe, would have to see in a real situation. But you are welcome to use it if you want, or not, whatevs.
Post by: jecowa on January 08, 2018, 07:30:08 pm
I tried using folder diff to put the Vordak dwarves (changes from 1.75 to 1.91) and it didn't work, so I replaced my DF entirely and moved saves over, still see Meph dwarves instead of Vordak dwarves. Does using the new dwarves require a new world gen or am I being a Kobold about this somehow?
You need to replace the graphics folder in your save file (located at /data/save/regionx/raw/graphics/) with the updated /raw/graphics/ folder from the latest Meph.
Post by: Isher on January 08, 2018, 07:33:26 pm
I tried using folder diff to put the Vordak dwarves (changes from 1.75 to 1.91) and it didn't work, so I replaced my DF entirely and moved saves over, still see Meph dwarves instead of Vordak dwarves. Does using the new dwarves require a new world gen or am I being a Kobold about this somehow?
You need to replace the graphics folder in your save file (located at /data/save/regionx/raw/graphics/) with the updated /raw/graphics/ folder from the latest Meph.
Thank you, I for some reason thought only raws had to be done that way.
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 01:53:47 am
Isher: They are raws. ;) There is raw/objects and raw/graphics. I think most people mean the objects when they speak of raws.
The support you posted looks great, I'll give it a try.
Novaris: I don't think a ladder whould fit. It's a support, (sometimes renamed to pillar ingame), the things you build to deconstruct with a lever.
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 02:46:09 am
As for the hauling issue: I would rather have a nice looking tile when the item is on the floor or contructed than put emphasis on the hauling image because the ratio of the time my dwarf spend hauling them compared to their storage or construction time is just to small to make it worth the effort.
Post by: jecowa on January 09, 2018, 03:07:14 am
I actually consider un-doing a few of the overrides, because of the carried-item display-bug.That's too bad that items being hauled can't use overrides. I tried to guess which tiles are affected by this. There's 53 items listed in the table below, but I'm not completely sure if all of them can be carried.
Spoiler: possible carried items (click to show/hide)
Another tile that might not be overrideable is tile 226 (for symbol for the unit of weight). I'm not sure where this is used or if the TWBT font tilesheet overrides that or not. I'm guessing it is used somewhere in a Z-menu or maybe on the caravan trading screen?
I only managed to trick the tools and give them all a "being-carried" graphics. I can't do that with the furniture for example. :/
Now I understand why all your tools use tile 255.
Isher: They are raws. ;) There is raw/objects and raw/graphics. I think most people mean the objects when they speak of raws.
I try to remember to call them objects files when I'm not also talking about the graphics.
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 06:44:21 am
<<< ☼Download☼ - V2 for DF 44.03 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
Update! - All around improvements
This update adds a lot of minor changes that add up. The biggest change is the addition of unique tile for each trap: Stonefall traps, Weapon traps, Cage traps and pressure plates now look very different from each other.
I also made a lot of terrain blend into each other better, like marble/dolomite, hives, gems, etc.
The last remaining buildings got their unique tiles: Supports, build hives, gem floodgates, vertical and floor bars, wall grates.
Added transparent background to all fruits, plants, nuts, and another 150 creatures or so. Also ~100 new zombie sprites.
A few fixes made their way into it as well, especially the microvermin swarm problem is fixed, as well as the track-end-designation tiles.
I made alttiles (animation) for 7 more vermin types.
Engraving and undeads got new status icons too.
Here a preview:
(https://i.imgur.com/rIO8P6C.png)
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Changelog:
- Added hidden-spear/spikes trap sprite.
- Added unique sprites for stonefall-traps, weapon-traps, cage-traps and pressure plates.
- Saplings and dead saplings blend in with the grass better.
- Added about 100 more child/zombie creatures sprites.
- Gave about 150 more creatures transparent backgrounds.
- Gave all plants transparent backgrounds.
- Gave tree leaves slightly off-set green tones, for more varied view of forests.
- Windmill got a nicer background.
- Gave all fruits/nuts transparent backgrounds.
- Gave axles/gears transparent backgrounds.
- Bridge-ends look nicer.
- Fixed tracks on ramps.
- Constructed stairs got a nicer background.
- Added sprite for slade pillars.
- Improved several workshop tiles (Jeweler, Still, Craftsman)
- Made flies, mosquitoes etc microvermin again. Even if it's all the same tile, at least no issues with remains.
- Made roots blend in better.
- Made soil floors blend in better.
- Made gem blend in better.
- Fixed the 4 track-end carving designation tiles.
- Added a unique tile for vermin remains.
- Redid the tiles for depot-wagon access.
- Added a unique tile for build hives.
- Added a unique tile for supports.
- Added a unique tile for wall grates.
- Added a unique tile for vertical bars.
- Fixed Gem floodgate tile.
- Added unique tiles for wood floodgate, gem floodgate and floodgate (stone/metal)
- Mechanisms look like mechanisms while being carried.
- Animated 7 more vermin sprites (bats, lizards, creepy-crawlers, bees, spiders, toads, fire snakes)
- Fixed wrong mushroom-ramp tile on giant mushrooms.
- Made some minerals blend in more.
- Made coal icon darker.
- Added new status icon for undead.
- Added new statues icon for engraving designations.
Credits: Special thanks to Isher for the support tile. :)
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 08:21:26 am
Also, the transparency-map of the earrings is a white tile instead of the shape of the earring so the game show a black background. :)
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 08:26:32 am
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 08:33:49 am
(https://i.imgur.com/FaIRNNC.png)
You may also notice the small darker edge in the right lower corner of each bridge. Is this also intended?
And I seem to have messed up the ballista too :D
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 08:48:53 am
Ballista is fine... the center tile is a TWBT bug, with the item (ammo) on top of the center ballista tile. It reverts back to no override. :/ Nothing I can do about that.
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 08:52:56 am
Of so I will default back to the bridge as it was in 1.91 in a separate file as this fits better to my style, thanks for the clarification :D
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 09, 2018, 08:54:30 am
Also a weird thing happened, I was trying to get a friend to play DF. He has a big monitor with resolution over 1920 x 1080 and when he tried to run 1.91 with all the default settings (so full screen mode for example), everything crashed and suddenly his computer didn't recognise the monitor as bigger res than 1920 x 1080. We're not sure if it was DF or just a coincidence, but I thought you'd like to know.
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 08:54:43 am
(https://i.imgur.com/3JU1ySe.gif)
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 08:57:43 am
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(like I don't have Vordak's dwarves just the original ones)That's because you copied into the folder, instead of replacing the folder. The original files are still in there. They didnt get replaced, since they are named differently. No need to gen a world for those. Just delete graphics_Meph_dwarves.txt and/or graphics_dwarves.txt. They are the active ones because they are sorted alphabetically (and V in vordak comes fairly late).
Your friend needs to disable dpi scaling on the exe. At least if it's a windows OS.
Post by: jecowa on January 09, 2018, 09:06:03 am
oh, i get it. i will have to adapt the tiles then because it just looks a little weird in the forts I usually build :DYou may also notice the small darker edge in the right lower corner of each bridge. Is this also intended?Spoiler: bridge screenshot (click to show/hide)
And I seem to have messed up the ballista too :D
That's a cool effect. I can't figure out how he managed it. The tile between the two bridges somehow matches with the tile above it to make it look like it's at a lower elevation than the bridge next to it.
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 09:16:34 am
Post by: jecowa on January 09, 2018, 09:42:05 am
No, that's some pixel artefacts. I usually test with granite, it wasnt that visible with dark grey bridges.
Ballista is fine... the center tile is a TWBT bug, with the item (ammo) on top of the center ballista tile. It reverts back to no override. :/ Nothing I can do about that.
I wonder if this happens when workshop transparency is off. I think the ballista might technically be a workshop.
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 09:45:10 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 09, 2018, 09:49:41 am
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 09:50:29 am
Mrok Girl: What exactly do you mean? The save that you altered? Or a newly generated world with the default download? Any errorlog?
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 09, 2018, 10:00:02 am
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removed erroneous unit occupancy flag
removed erroneous unit occupancy flag
removed erroneous unit occupancy flag
removed erroneous unit occupancy flag
removed erroneous unit occupancy flag
removed erroneous unit occupancy flag
removed erroneous unit occupancy flag
Edit: I'm uploading my latest save but it will take a while. Also, it started crashing in v. 1.91, I thought when I copy to v. 2 it will stop but apparently not :/
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 10:02:04 am
Which colorset do you actually use? if I use the colors.txt out of the init folder the fields have a very yellowish color, water is unnaturally blue, same as cobaltine.
@Mrok:
Random crashes can occur without any info in the errorlog. there is also the stderr.log/stderr.txt which comes from dfhack as far as I know, maybe they contain more info.
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 10:03:42 am
Mrok Girl: Strange. No idea what might cause it. Usually it's multilevel view, at least so I've been told. Try setting it to lower than the default 10.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 09, 2018, 10:05:12 am
Mrok Girl: Strange. No idea what might cause it. Usually it's multilevel view, at least so I've been told. Try setting it to lower than the default 10.
Where do I do that?
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 10:05:43 am
EDIT: Mh... I just had the same. Game crashed, no reason, no log. Happened when I placed a farmplot.
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 10:12:16 am
This season-palette line is commented out as I normally use a colorset created by DASTactics, just modified to have a true black. My question was which of the four season-palettes you deem as 'default'
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 10:17:15 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 09, 2018, 10:18:52 am
And I now modified the game by deleting the standard_dwarves.txt and now all the dwarves look the same! I think I did something wrong :O
Ah wait, that's probably there is no 'standard_vodrak_dwarves.txt' in my folder as it was generated before Meph added Vodrak's dorfs. Does this mean I need to copy everything else to my save folder too? All the raw graphics?
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 10:19:56 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 09, 2018, 10:28:47 am
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 10:49:47 am
The only other dfhack change I made is "twbt redraw_all 1", which is more processor heavy. If you still have crashes, enter "twbt redraw_all 0" into dfhack, that disables it.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 09, 2018, 11:10:37 am
remember, "quicksave" is a very handy command.
... there is a quicksave in the game? I've been out of the loop for too long! How do I use it? Or do you just mean saving the regular way early and often? :)
Post by: jecowa on January 09, 2018, 11:27:00 am
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 11:27:19 am
Default hotkey for it is "Ctrl-Alt-S". It's been there for a couple of years... ;)
Post by: somebears on January 09, 2018, 01:29:43 pm
There might be a tiny of regression in \raw\objects\plant_new_trees.txt Line 3047
it was changed into
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[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:DARK_TAN] *** https://www.woodworkerssource.com/shop/category/Walnut.htmlin some patch (.44?), but in the pack it's back toCode: [Select]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:BURNT_SIENNA] *** not yet searchednot that it changes much but it may cause merge problems at some point
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 02:28:18 pm
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graphics_large_temperate
[OBJECT:GRAPHICS]
[TILE_PAGE:LARGE_TEMPERATE]
[FILE:large_temperate.png]
[TILE_DIM:32:32]
[PAGE_DIM:18:6]
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 02:36:07 pm
EDIT: also, I just noticed that the siege engine workshop has six black tiles in it, is this intended?
(https://i.imgur.com/NmNuZ5k.png)
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 02:46:28 pm
No, sadly I can't do constructed walls of different materials have different sprites. I wish. ^^
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 02:47:40 pm
Another question: it seems transparency only works for the current z-level but lower levels show black background in twbt. Am I using an old version or is this currently the behavior?
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 03:22:27 pm
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 03:51:41 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/H5poYGX.png)
Post by: mifki on January 09, 2018, 04:24:22 pm
Only works on the current zlvl.
Wait, again? I thought I've fixed that...
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 04:27:19 pm
Edit: Yep, you did indeed fix it. :)
Post by: tnuhnivad on January 09, 2018, 04:30:33 pm
you actually responded to me on reddit, but, I figured it'd be better to post here. I love your work here, but, I am struggling to get this to work with the latest P.E. Starter Pack and all of its lifesaving functions I cant seems to break my dependency on. If you or anyone one could either submit something to download or give a detailed explanation on how to install this tile set with all the current features: art works, seasonal changes, world map tile set, extra dwarves, etc. into the LNP I'd be forever thankful!
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 04:36:59 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Kb3lnO8.png)
the left part is one level lower than the marksdwarves
Post by: mifki on January 09, 2018, 04:40:10 pm
really? I just ran it and see this:
Um.. "Unit transparency disabled" in your console?
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 04:41:20 pm
multilevel 1
twbt unit_transparency 1
twbt workshop_transparency 1
and onload.init
twbt redraw_all 1
multilevel 8
multilevel fogcolor 0.1 0.1 0.3
multilevel shadowcolor 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.35
Also, in 6.31, dwarfes in stockpiles have a black background but back in 6.30 they do not
Post by: mifki on January 09, 2018, 04:57:44 pm
yes but interestingly it works on z0 and dfhack.init says:
Yep, my fault, wrong console output.
Also, in 6.31, dwarfes in stockpiles have a black background but back in 6.30 they do not
I mentioned somewhere that the difference between 6.30 and 6.31 is how it renders unit on building on terrain - 6.30 renders unit and terrain (because two levels only are supported), and 6.31 renders unit and building. In either case there may be some issues because of this limitation, just need to choose one of these options. Although you can consider all this temporary anyway because eventually I'll support rendering all three layers one on top of another.
Post by: jecowa on January 09, 2018, 04:59:12 pm
I am struggling to get this to work with the latest P.E. Starter Pack and all of its lifesaving functions I cant seems to break my dependency on. If you or anyone one could either submit something to download or give a detailed explanation on how to install this tile set with all the current features: art works, seasonal changes, world map tile set, extra dwarves, etc. into the LNP I'd be forever thankful!
This is kind of complicated. The LNP includes a version without the decorations (paintings, pedestals that show the pedestal below the item on top, wooden floors, campfires.) You can add those features in, but save files made with the or that you install it into will not be compatible with the vanilla game anymore. (So you wouldn't want to do this in a community save unless everyone else was going to use this tileset too.)
To update the Meph included with the LNP to the latest version, including all the decorational items, download the Meph 32x + Dwarf Fortress for Windows bundle (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499).
And from it, copy the "art" and "init" folders from its /df_44_03_win/data/ folder into the /LNP/graphics/Meph/data/ folder in the Lazy Newb Pack.
And then move the "objects" and "graphic" folders and the "onLoad.init" and "onLoad_twbt_meph.init" files from the /df_44_03_win/raw/ folder to the /LNP/graphics/Meph/raw/ folder.
really? I just ran it and see this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Kb3lnO8.png)
the left part is one level lower than the marksdwarves
It looks like you moved your save from an older Meph to Meph 2.0 without copying the new onLoad_twbt_meph.init file from the /raw/ folder to your /data/save/regionx/raw/ folder.
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 05:03:21 pm
jep still the same.
The weird thing is, when called from an init script it always says 'transparency disabled' even though its enabled but when I type the same command into dfhack afterwards it always says 'enabled' regardless if I write 0 or 1.
Post by: Novaris on January 09, 2018, 05:33:53 pm
yes but interestingly it works on z0 and dfhack.init says:
Yep, my fault, wrong console output.Also, in 6.31, dwarfes in stockpiles have a black background but back in 6.30 they do not
I mentioned somewhere that the difference between 6.30 and 6.31 is how it renders unit on building on terrain - 6.30 renders unit and terrain (because two levels only are supported), and 6.31 renders unit and building. In either case there may be some issues because of this limitation, just need to choose one of these options. Although you can consider all this temporary anyway because eventually I'll support rendering all three layers one on top of another.
I will do so :D thanks
Post by: Meph on January 09, 2018, 05:48:52 pm
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 09, 2018, 05:51:30 pm
Unit transparency disabled
Workshop transparency disabled
Also I appear to have a problem with a couple of animals (and an alpaca turning into an aubergine when it walked over some plums some dorfs left on the ground)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Calanndra/songwise%204.jpg)
Edit:
Also, someone went crazy with the tree colours! My constructed walls look... interesting :)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: jecowa on January 09, 2018, 06:00:40 pm
My console also says TWBT: version 6.30
Unit transparency disabled
Workshop transparency disabled
Also I appear to have a problem with a couple of animals (and an alpaca turning into an aubergine when it walked over some plums some dorfs left on the ground)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Calanndra/songwise%204.jpg)
It's an oversight from his efforts to optimize the creature graphics. In your data/save/regionx/raw/graphics/ folder, edit your graphics_large_temperate.txt file and change [PAGE_DIM:18:11] to [PAGE_DIM:18:6] to fix the bear and wolf. Please mention if you find more.
Edit: Alpaca and aubergine / eggplant both use tile 56. This might possibly be a bug with TWBT creature transparency.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 09, 2018, 06:20:05 pm
Is the quick save supposed to give some sort of confirmation somewhere that it saved the game, or does it just happen?
Also, it used to be in the previous version of DF that when visitors came in and joined your fort for the purpose of 'soldiering' you could add them to your military squads, but I can't do it now. Anyone knows if that's intentional?
Post by: Meph on January 10, 2018, 01:46:59 am
I'm so waiting for mifki to render 3 layers on top of another instead of just 2. Yesterday I was building a fort and the constructions on plants on floor are invisible, because twbt can only show 2 tiles, but there are 3 graphics on that tile.
Post by: mifki on January 10, 2018, 03:04:23 am
The alpaca turned invisible. ^^
I'm so waiting for mifki to render 3 layers on top of another instead of just 2. Yesterday I was building a fort and the constructions on plants on floor are invisible, because twbt can only show 2 tiles, but there are 3 graphics on that tile.
But the top layer should always be visible. I didn't quite get is there a problem?
Post by: Meph on January 10, 2018, 03:22:03 am
But seriously, the only thing that I consider any issue is that overrides revert back to the original tile if there are other objects on the same tile.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 10, 2018, 05:38:40 am
Post by: Meph on January 10, 2018, 05:49:22 am
Why is plum wood blue?Worked plum wood (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0758/6229/products/rustic_plum_ss_776x.png?v=1504996860)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 10, 2018, 06:29:11 am
Why is plum wood blue?Worked plum wood (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0758/6229/products/rustic_plum_ss_776x.png?v=1504996860)
Surely not that blue/purple though? It looks dyed on your pix. (https://www.tonewood.rs/upload/products/zoom/plum_wood_squares_35x35x320__65pcs.jpg)
Post by: Meph on January 10, 2018, 06:39:39 am
I'm now debating (internally) if I use his color values for gems, woods and stone, or if I make my own, or if I keep them.
On the one hand, it does allow more designs, is more realistic and more colorful... on the other hand, the people that like symetry and mono-colored forts will lynch me.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 10, 2018, 06:51:04 am
Edit:
I decided to be lazy and just changed it to the Apple tree colours. Looking much better now imo. The other wood has a different colour because it's a different season.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 10, 2018, 06:53:32 am
I tested a few color values from Dagonmasters set. He made it very blue.
I'm now debating (internally) if I use his color values for gems, woods and stone, or if I make my own, or if I keep them.
On the one hand, it does allow more designs, is more realistic and more colorful... on the other hand, the people that like symetry and mono-colored forts will lynch me.
Personally I'm ok with having different colours for woords and stuff, just this plum is too blue for me for a regular tree. If it was an underground tree, I wouldn't mind. Other people might like it though?
Post by: Novaris on January 10, 2018, 08:25:22 am
Post by: Meph on January 10, 2018, 08:33:45 am
Post by: Novaris on January 10, 2018, 08:42:57 am
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=10388
According to Toady its fixed in the next release coming in a few days hopefully though.
Post by: Novaris on January 10, 2018, 11:19:15 am
Post by: Meph on January 10, 2018, 11:37:10 am
Obsidian Soul made the proto-elf, a single green-clad elf peasant. I made the rest. There you go, photoshop file with elves, tools, weapons, background, etc split into layers. http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13399 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13399)
Post by: Hylum on January 10, 2018, 05:16:41 pm
I was thinking, if possible, maybe just include the Starter Pack GUI (Striped down version of the full PE Starter Pack) with latest versions of Dwarf Therapist and SoundSense and start your own little Meph's DF Pack. Make life easy for all of your loyal followers! Just run it with your graphics and text options. What do you think!? :D
Obviously your in the middle of developing this graphics pack and there are many changes to come so this could be a temp work around until your pack is finished and you could release an official version specifically to add to PE's Starter Pack that includes and ties in all of your graphics packs features.
I think having the first option would be great, its all you need.
Post by: Meph on January 10, 2018, 05:32:57 pm
I do have the source code for the old LNP, before Peridexis took over. I could have a look at making a new set... but I'm not sure if I want to compete with the LNP. It's bad enough that I have a big mod and a big tileset, now my own starterpack? :P
Edit: PS: Peridexis doesn't want all the additions. The workshops for example he'd never include in his pack.
Post by: Hylum on January 10, 2018, 05:55:50 pm
I did that. It ended up in MasterworkDF. ^^
I do have the source code for the old LNP, before Peridexis took over. I could have a look at making a new set... but I'm not sure if I want to compete with the LNP. It's bad enough that I have a big mod and a big tileset, now my own starterpack? :P
Edit: PS: Peridexis doesn't want all the additions. The workshops for example he'd never include in his pack.
Do it! :D haha
you wouldn't be competing with LNP your version can be very simple just have a GUI to easily chose a few options and change the init text files settings.
It would complement your mod and tileset and you could add in cool functionality as you go, just see it as part of your mod!
Exactly why you need your own because it cant be added to Peridexis starter pack without loosing parts that make your mod so awesome!
Masterwork was awesome! and I loved it but this would be much more simple.
I also think others here or myself could probably put something together for you if you need assistance. We are always happy to help!
Post by: jecowa on January 10, 2018, 06:23:02 pm
Post by: Meph on January 10, 2018, 06:31:17 pm
Post by: jecowa on January 10, 2018, 06:41:33 pm
Post by: tnuhnivad on January 10, 2018, 08:36:59 pm
tnuhnivad: What Jecowa said, but in addition to that you also need to generate a new world, and copy the dfhack (just the entire "df_44_03_win/hack" folder) I pack with it. It's different from the LNP version in so far that it includes a whole bunch of custom scripts by Roses, which allow me to change building subtypes in a running game through a reaction. It's absolutely necessary for the new workshops.
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This is kind of complicated. The LNP includes a version without the decorations (paintings, pedestals that show the pedestal below the item on top, wooden floors, campfires.) You can add those features in, but save files made with the or that you install it into will not be compatible with the vanilla game anymore. (So you wouldn't want to do this in a community save unless everyone else was going to use this tileset too.)
To update the Meph included with the LNP to the latest version, including all the decorational items, download the Meph 32x + Dwarf Fortress for Windows bundle (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499).
And from it, copy the "art" and "init" folders from its /df_44_03_win/data/ folder into the /LNP/graphics/Meph/data/ folder in the Lazy Newb Pack.
And then move the "objects" and "graphic" folders and the "onLoad.init" and "onLoad_twbt_meph.init" files from the /df_44_03_win/raw/ folder to the /LNP/graphics/Meph/raw/ folder.
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Thanks guys!
Post by: PeridexisErrant on January 10, 2018, 10:57:36 pm
you wouldn't be competing with LNP your version can be very simpleThat sounds pretty similar to the Starter Pack to me :P
just have a GUI to easily chose a few options and change the init text files settings.
PS: Peridexis doesn't want all the additions. The workshops for example he'd never include in his pack.FWIW I'd be very happy to include them as a mod, just not as a graphics pack (because that could break saves if people changed graphics).
Someone might need to upgrade PyLNP's mod handling for this to work reliably, though :(
Post by: jecowa on January 10, 2018, 11:40:57 pm
FWIW I'd be very happy to include them as a mod, just not as a graphics pack (because that could break saves if people changed graphics).
Someone might need to upgrade PyLNP's mod handling for this to work reliably, though :(
PyLNP's merging eats objects files unless they are specially-crafted to work together in PyLNP. In its present state, I would need to update the other graphics packs to safely merge with the mod too.
I think it's just the triple merge that has the problem. As long as mods and graphics packs don't edit the same files, it works fine.
Post by: Meph on January 11, 2018, 09:43:53 am
Launcher with utilities, new init settings, twbt settings, the three tilesets. Also balancing options for all civs and fortress defense mod. Also all civs playable if you like, but still on vanilla settings.
It's probably going to implode and erupt in a plethora of bugs (the launcher, not the tileset), so please let me know what happens when you try it out. ^^
Edit: Screenshots:
Spoiler: Init, graphics, twbt settings (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Balancing and civs (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Worldgen Editor (click to show/hide)
The balancing settings you can change:
- If merchants come early or late.
- If sieges come early or late.
- Who is your ally/enemy. (you can play with hostile elves, no humans and friendly goblins for example)
- If merchants bring bodyguards.
- How the AI works on sieges: Normal, besieges your fort (waits outside with campfires), or giant ambushes.
- If enemies spawn ambushes or not.
- Which season they are active. (4 dwarven caravans per year? Oh, yeah. Or no sieges at all in winter? no problem)
- Combat skills. You can automatically add X points to all combat skills of any race. (For example all goblins get 5 points extra)
Utilities included are the same as the LNP, plus a few more.
Edit: apparently the "play DF" button and the open-folder buttons dont work atm. ^^
Post by: Hylum on January 11, 2018, 12:58:07 pm
I think including the Lazy Newb Pack software in your pack is a great idea. You could use the graphics pack feature to allow players to easily switch between Vordak dwarves and Obsidian Dwarves. You could put all your color palettes in the colors folder to let users easily switch between them. You could put DFHack options in to let users easily enabled and disabled seasonal colors, change multi-level settings, forced redraw setting, and transparent workshop setting, etc. It will also let users more easily switch out which text font they want to use. And give everyone easy-access to Dwarf Therapist. (I suspect that of players don't know how to get (or don't want to mess with getting) Dwarf Therapist without a Lazy Newb Pack.
This Exactly what I was thinking! Also an easy way to view the world map with your world map tileset.
☼Mephs Map Tileset☼ - 16x/24x/32x tilesets for a nicer worldmap
Post by: Hylum on January 11, 2018, 01:00:33 pm
Post by: Meph on January 11, 2018, 04:54:03 pm
Post by: Hylum on January 11, 2018, 04:56:50 pm
Post by: Vordak on January 11, 2018, 05:15:54 pm
What is the difference between these floodgate tiles? Difference from material, like doors?
Post by: jecowa on January 11, 2018, 05:37:21 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/1mqKWix.png)
What is the difference between these floodgate tiles? Difference from material, like doors?
I'm not sure, but only the one on the left is used in Meph 2.0.
Post by: Meph on January 11, 2018, 05:40:21 pm
Hylum: More like Meph the brute-force-programmer-novice, but thank you. ;)
Jecowa: All three are used.
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[OVERRIDE:88:I:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:183:16]
[OVERRIDE:88:B:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:183:16]
[OVERRIDE:215:I:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:183:16]
[OVERRIDE:215:B:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:183:16]
[OVERRIDE:42:I:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:183:16]
[OVERRIDE:42:B:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:183:16]Edit: Now that I look at this... I'm an idiot. I never changed the new-tile for the three versions. ::)
Edit: Fixed version would look like this:
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[OVERRIDE:88:I:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:183:16] stone/metal
[OVERRIDE:88:B:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:183:16] stone/metal
[OVERRIDE:215:I:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:125:16] wood
[OVERRIDE:215:B:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:125:16] wood
[OVERRIDE:42:I:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:110:16] gem
[OVERRIDE:42:B:FLOODGATE:::_MDF_overrides_1:110:16] gem
Post by: Meph on January 11, 2018, 07:02:16 pm
Post by: Bumber on January 11, 2018, 07:54:27 pm
DF is now an RTS game.Spoiler: Balancing and civs (click to show/hide)
Kobold rush, kek
Post by: Hylum on January 12, 2018, 01:19:29 pm
DF is now an RTS game.Spoiler: Balancing and civs (click to show/hide)
Kobold rush, kek
Haha its actually really cool what you have done here Meph, your added customization actually adds a bunch of new ways to play DF that I didn't consider before!
Post by: Meph on January 12, 2018, 01:33:13 pm
Post by: Hylum on January 12, 2018, 01:59:15 pm
Been part of MasterworkDF for years. The launcher here is just a slimmed down and updated version of the mod launcher.
That's right, its just been a while since I have played with Masterworks, never adjusted those settings before.
Post by: Meph on January 12, 2018, 05:35:21 pm
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack V2.1 for DF 44.03 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Update!
This update adds three things.
1. A few more fixes. Floodgates for example; the Bookcase; the tracks on ramps; creature_temperate...
2. Improvements to the font. The inverted font (Fort name, active name in a list, etc) are now fully readable.
3. GUI - Tileset launcher with utilities.
(https://i.imgur.com/eoYxJ6b.png)
Features:
- Includes all utilities that are in the LNP.
- Custom Init Editor.
- Settings for TWBT features and overrides, like workshop transparency, realcolors, constructed walls/floors.
- Toggles Vordak / Meph dwarves.
- Custom Worlgen Editor.
- Fortress Defense races. (DF is too easy, I know people love those)
- Custom balancing settings. (Earlier/later sieges or traders, extra combat skills for your dwarves or the invaders, or mixing it up with friendly goblins, trading kobolds and aggressive human sieges. Mix and match as you like.)
- All races playable. Since I made all the ~200 profession sprites for each race, why not use them. Embark as humans, elves, kobolds or goblins. (No mod content atm, purely vanilla DF settings for all those races.)
- Decorational workshops. Small mod-addition that doesn't change any balance, but gives access to about 250 extra sprites. Everything from lamps you can turn on/off, over custom pedestals, flags, signs, icons, floor and roof tiles, more statues, plants and grasses...
- Extra engravings. 2000 procedually generated descriptors for engravings, decorations and statues.
More screenshots:
Spoiler: civ tab (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: worldgen editor (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 12, 2018, 06:02:09 pm
Will you also be updating to 44.04? That fixes the HFS not pathing properly to the fort to give everyone some Fun.
Post by: Hylum on January 12, 2018, 06:19:39 pm
Post by: Meph on January 12, 2018, 06:33:44 pm
Twbt for 44.04 is not out yet. I have to wait.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 12, 2018, 07:52:35 pm
stderr has these last two lines:
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Invoking: sc-script add SC_WORLD_LOADED onLoad.init-example
UNKNOWN CLASS 'dfhack_lua_viewscreen@DFHack': vtable = 0x7ffd3daf8240When I delete the new raws and bring back the previous ones, it loads up fine.
Post by: Nimrod on January 13, 2018, 02:01:59 am
Post by: Meph on January 13, 2018, 04:48:07 am
Oh dear. Just tried to lauch your new DF without the launcher after copying my save from last version and replacing all the raw files in the save again, and I got a FATAL ERROR Missing Entity Definition. But nothing says what is the missing entity, not even DFHack.Yes. Not sure how I should say this, but not a big surprise, considering that the version with the launcher splits up entity_default into 6 files (1 for each race, 1 for cavern civs), and adds 12 new entitiy files (the fortress defense races). THIS version of the tileset is certainly modded and not save-compatible.
stderr has these last two lines:Code: [Select]Invoking: sc-script add SC_WORLD_LOADED onLoad.init-example
UNKNOWN CLASS 'dfhack_lua_viewscreen@DFHack': vtable = 0x7ffd3daf8240
When I delete the new raws and bring back the previous ones, it loads up fine.
That's the reason I made the launcher myself in the first place, so that Perixedis, Jecowa and co don't have to worry about stuff like this in their packs. ^^
Post by: JesterHell696 on January 13, 2018, 08:52:18 am
Yes. Not sure how I should say this, but not a big surprise, considering that the version with the launcher splits up entity_default into 6 files (1 for each race, 1 for cavern civs), and adds 12 new entitiy files (the fortress defense races). THIS version of the tileset is certainly modded and not save-compatible.
That's the reason I made the launcher myself in the first place, so that Perixedis, Jecowa and co don't have to worry about stuff like this in their packs. ^^
Will this tileset be consumed by masterwork or will a completely standalone (no launcher) vanilla tileset remain available?
I ask because its already got a couple of that I remove, workshops and grass and because I like to do some custom modding of my raws I don't want to have to dig though masterworks level raws to make my "standard" changes, no offense intended but I don't like masterwork at all and the launcher preview already has me worried with that invaders tab.
Post by: Meph on January 13, 2018, 09:40:48 am
The invaders are mostly in because they were already in the launcher when I ported it. No harm done, since they are disabled by default.
But what do you mean about the grasses? I only changed the depth of 3 grass entries, that doesn't do anything to save compatibility.
Post by: Amostubal on January 13, 2018, 12:07:06 pm
Post by: Novaris on January 13, 2018, 12:52:31 pm
Post by: Boochdizzle on January 13, 2018, 05:14:25 pm
Post by: Isher on January 13, 2018, 05:16:49 pm
Post by: jecowa on January 13, 2018, 05:39:30 pm
And to continue using a pre-2.1 save in future versions of Meph, you would probably install everything from the updated /raw/objects/ folder into your save file except these files:
- creature_standard.txt
- entity_default.txt
- body_fortress_defense.txt
- creature_fortress_defense.txt
- descriptor_shape_legends.txt
- "entity_fd_" - (any file the begins with this string)
- entity_good_dwarf.txt
- entity_good_elf.txt
- entity_good_human.txt
- entity_savage_kobolds.txt
- entity_slaver_goblin.txt
- inorganic_fortress_defense.txt
- interaction_fd.txt
- reaction_fortress_defense.txt
- reaction_GUI.txt
Post by: Shweebish on January 13, 2018, 10:26:14 pm
Post by: jecowa on January 14, 2018, 12:50:06 am
How do I use the lower resolutions?
Use the twbt tilesize command. I recommend one of these two tilesizes for use with Meph:
three-fourths wide:
(great for 1080p screens)
Code: [Select]
twbt tilesize 24 24one-half wide:
(great for 720p displays and 1280- & 1366-pixel wide displays)
Code: [Select]
twbt tilesize 16 16
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 14, 2018, 05:26:52 am
can you add options for mousequery etc. to the launcher?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 14, 2018, 05:51:33 am
Post by: JesterHell696 on January 14, 2018, 06:28:20 am
Vanilla download will stay. I'm surprised myself about the requests I got on Reddit. They want balance changes, standardized materials, etc.
Thank you for the assurance, I don't really care about balance nor do I like standardized materials.
The invaders are mostly in because they were already in the launcher when I ported it. No harm done, since they are disabled by default.
ah, okay that's less worrying.
But what do you mean about the grasses? I only changed the depth of 3 grass entries, that doesn't do anything to save compatibility.
I meant the moving grass, I like my raws as vanilla as possible because I have my own mods and the more that gets added with the tileset the more chance that I could break something because of what ties into it.
I already had to remake my mod to work with the tileset using the raws that came with it but every extra change to the raws adds to the chance of having to do it again, and again, but if no more extras are added I should just be able to copy my current modded raws into future releases like I've done before.
Post by: Hylum on January 14, 2018, 03:51:15 pm
Meph, I just want to say that I'm really enjoying what you've done with this tileset and launcher, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. It also seems to work a lot more smoothly and make more sense than the LNP does... which is weird since it's like 2 days old? Keep up the good work!
+1 Great work so far Meph, Really enjoying the Launcher, no major issues yet in testing. Also I am having no problem modding the Raws which I do time to time.
Post by: Meph on January 14, 2018, 04:04:10 pm
That gives me the freedom to change whatever is necessary for the optional features of the editor, without compromising save compatibility for those updating older saves or their own mods.
Post by: Hylum on January 14, 2018, 04:15:09 pm
Post by: Meph on January 14, 2018, 04:40:18 pm
Carpet tiles are custom workshops, they shouldnt influence anything, at all.
Is it a repeatable problem on your end? Does it happen every time?
Post by: Hylum on January 14, 2018, 04:59:45 pm
I had that with farm plots. Novaris mentioned that it's a vanilla DF issue (?). I haven't changed farm plots or anything related to them at all since I first did the plants a year ago. Only thing is the transparency that Mifki added.
Carpet tiles are custom workshops, they shouldnt influence anything, at all.
Is it a repeatable problem on your end? Does it happen every time?
Ok cool, the Carpet thing was the same as the farm plot for me, where the game just closes. I will see if its repeatable. I think its probably just a vanilla DF issue or my system. I have had this happen in the past. Just need to save often.
Post by: Meph on January 14, 2018, 05:19:19 pm
Post by: Hylum on January 14, 2018, 06:21:46 pm
It's really important that I know about possible crash sources. If there is even the remote chance that it's a part of the tileset/overrides/twbt, I have to fix it.
It is repeatable but I cant say its part of the tileset. When I am placing the carpet tiles it will happen randomly maybe every 10 or so. Same thing happens with farm plots. Only happens with those 2 so far. Game just closes. See if anyone else can make this happen?
Post by: Meph on January 14, 2018, 07:01:52 pm
Please repeat back to me if it works. I tried testing as good as I can, but it's a bit erratic. Sometimes it crashes when placing farm plots, carpets, etc, but other times I could place 100 of them with no issue. I only know that I could never get it to crash when I disabled the forced redraw mode of TWBT.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 15, 2018, 12:58:14 am
It's really important that I know about possible crash sources. If there is even the remote chance that it's a part of the tileset/overrides/twbt, I have to fix it.had those random crashes when using 43.03 LNP with phoebus when placing bridges or constructed walls.
i hope it's not related to your pack.
Post by: Meph on January 15, 2018, 04:33:42 am
Sounds like dfhack. Especially considering that they are across different releases, with different tilesets, from different downloads. My best guess would be a plugin that hasn't been updated/tested that ties in into building placement.
Post by: Novaris on January 15, 2018, 04:39:39 am
Post by: Meph on January 15, 2018, 04:45:28 am
Post by: Novaris on January 15, 2018, 06:32:01 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 15, 2018, 10:57:24 am
Post by: Meph on January 15, 2018, 11:28:57 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 15, 2018, 11:48:06 am
If you had it with the LNP and Phoebus, it's not my pack. ^^yes, i wanted to point out that i had this problem outside your pack :)
Sounds like dfhack. Especially considering that they are across different releases, with different tilesets, from different downloads. My best guess would be a plugin that hasn't been updated/tested that ties in into building placement.
so it might be a problem with twbt and/or dfhack.
i haven't had any problems with your pack at all - except the need to start certain dfhack-plugins manually (until i find out how to make dfhack start them automatically (or you add them as options in the launcher) ).
Post by: Meph on January 15, 2018, 11:50:22 am
Could you do me the favor and gen a world, use "twbt redraw_all 0" to disable that feature and try to crash your game using farm plots, carpets and the like? It would be nice to have a confirmation that this helps on another machine, not just on my end.
Post by: Novaris on January 15, 2018, 11:55:43 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 15, 2018, 11:58:55 am
What plugins do you want to start?i haven't had those crashes with your pack. i also delete older DF versions once i tested the newer versions, so i cannot even try to reproduce the errors i had about a year ago. sorry if i wrote misleading stuff earlier. ::)
Could you do me the favor and gen a world, use "twbt redraw_all 0" to disable that feature and try to crash your game using farm plots, carpets and the like? It would be nice to have a confirmation that this helps on another machine, not just on my end.
Post by: Hylum on January 15, 2018, 12:55:51 pm
What plugins do you want to start?
Could you do me the favor and gen a world, use "twbt redraw_all 0" to disable that feature and try to crash your game using farm plots, carpets and the like? It would be nice to have a confirmation that this helps on another machine, not just on my end.
Meph, i will try this later on today and let you know what happens. This crash doesn't have anything to do with your pack, I recall it happening now on occasion with PE Starter Pack and the previous version of DF. It would be nice though if we can solve this problem, seems like the whole community is experiencing the same thing. It is most likely a problem with DFHack.
Post by: Meph on January 15, 2018, 01:42:55 pm
I worked on some balancing changes... how about those? :)
(https://i.imgur.com/w8rODUB.png)
That should give players a few options to make the game harder/easier as they like.
Post by: Hylum on January 15, 2018, 01:48:00 pm
Post by: jecowa on January 15, 2018, 01:52:42 pm
Very cool! Will you include some detailed descriptions when you mouse over so we know exactly what happens when enabled/disabled?
Just what I was going to ask. Tool tips to give a little more detail would be nice. And maybe some documentation that details exactly what changes the options make to the game. Picky Nobles sounds fun.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 15, 2018, 02:17:49 pm
You probably didn't enable dwarves to gather refuse on the surface. Press o r o.
ARGH no, I didn't T_T Thanks!
Post by: Isher on January 15, 2018, 05:09:52 pm
Post by: Meph on January 15, 2018, 05:37:57 pm
The bleeding and pain values are exactly the same as in averagebandits mod here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=159427.msg7091728#msg7091728
Tooltip example: "witless dwarves: Halves all mental attributes of dwarves", or "picky nobles: Doubles all mandates and demands by your nobles. If a noble had none before, they can now make one demand/mandate extra."
Post by: Hylum on January 15, 2018, 11:58:37 pm
try this: Type "twbt redraw_all 0" into the dfhack console; or permanent fix: Remove the line "twbt redraw_all 1" from the dfhack.init in the df folder.
Please repeat back to me if it works. I tried testing as good as I can, but it's a bit erratic. Sometimes it crashes when placing farm plots, carpets, etc, but other times I could place 100 of them with no issue. I only know that I could never get it to crash when I disabled the forced redraw mode of TWBT.
Meph this fixed the problem no more freezing up.
Post by: tnuhnivad on January 16, 2018, 12:59:38 am
Post by: Meph on January 16, 2018, 03:33:54 am
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack V2.2 for DF 44.03 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Update!
Another update that combines three new additions. This time I concentrated on worldgen, the balancing options in the launcher, and stumbled over item_symbol for inorganics... so I made unique sprites for each type of rock/boulder.
1. Worldgens.
The pack now contains a duplicate of the normal worldgens, all with widers, open caverns and a few other small changes. The caverns help improve FPS, since the pathfinding is easier in open areas than in a maze.
I also included the MasterworkDF worldgens, which are based on themes. Starter-World has 10000 embark points, for beginners. There is a world with mostly good biomes; one with evil biomes; one volcano world; one desert world; and a mixed "everything world".
In addition to that I found three worldgens done by Deon: Westeros, Discworld and Middle-Earth. There are also included.
(https://i.imgur.com/i6OiPC1.png)
2. Balancing options.
There are 36 optional settings that make the game harder or easier now. Anything from half as many plants or metal bars being produced, to more crazy demands by nobles, but also kids that grow up twice as fast and downright cheating, like removing the need to eat, drink or sleep.
(https://i.imgur.com/8ohqIya.png)
3. Boulder sprites.
There are normal rocks, ores, gems, gypsum-powder rocks, clays, flux-stones, coal-giving stones, sharp obsidian rock... most people don't have all of that in their heads, so now they can see it directly in their stockpiles. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/vsjchlb.png)
I wish that I could do the same for gems; splitting them into different rarity/value, but it seems that IS_GEM always reverts to one tile, regardless of which item_symbol I use. Still, I think this improves the set a bit more. :)
I also disabled redraw_all by default, since that seems to have helped with the crashes. :)
The 44.04 update I skipped, since 44.05 is out already. Just waiting for TWBT. Once that is up, I will do an update to the launcher AND to the vanilla tileset version. Dont worry, I didnt forget about the people that want to keep that version up.
Post by: Novaris on January 16, 2018, 03:55:44 am
Can you also override the tile for molten armor or weapons? currently they are a basket with some metal sludge sitting on the ground which just doesn't really fit, a semi-molten breastplate or so just a puddle in the metal color would make more sense somehow...
Post by: Meph on January 16, 2018, 04:01:41 am
Post by: dragonlotion on January 16, 2018, 04:44:20 am
Post by: Novaris on January 16, 2018, 04:50:33 am
(http://i.xomf.com/rnngd.png)
yellow: molten silver, represented as "{silver}" when placing the cursor over it
blue: molten "{bismuth bronze}" or "{bronze}"
green: molten "{copper}"
(and yes I know the {} means forbidden :D I have yet to reclaim it and melt it down)
BTW: nice work on the forgotteb beasts
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on January 16, 2018, 05:01:01 am
I don't have high hopes for this, but... is there a way to use ASCII during world gen? I love your tileset for everything else but I'm so used to the ASCII symbols on the map, and I'd rather not need a legend to read it. Keep up the great work, man, the tileset and the launcher are fantastic <3That would be pretty simple to add. But either you'd have to keep playing with ascii text font in the menu; or after embarking you'd have to save, close, switch to a nicer font, open DF again.
Post by: Meph on January 16, 2018, 08:52:48 am
Quote
247 ≈ Rough stone road or bridge, water, magma, snow, glob (fat/tallow), farm plot, furrowed soil, vomit, blood pools, sea foam, sand, various stones*
That's your molten bars. A glob. That's an item type, its not actually "a molten silver bar", but "a molten silver glob". So they all look the same, molten bars, globs of fat, globs of tallows... they wiki only lists the fat/tallow, which is why I made a bowl around it, since it belongs in the kitchen.
If I make you a graphic for molten bars, I will also change fat/tallow. :/
Post by: Novaris on January 16, 2018, 10:32:31 am
Post by: Meph on January 16, 2018, 10:59:10 am
Post by: Novaris on January 16, 2018, 11:08:26 am
Post by: tnuhnivad on January 16, 2018, 11:18:25 am
Post by: Meph on January 16, 2018, 12:35:45 pm
I'm not sure if this is something I'm doing wrong but it only seems to happen to me when I use the tile set pack. I get an error when using the "expertlegends info" in df hack in legends mode. Trying to then import the exported files in worlds viewer results in errors.
It's known and fixed in DFHack 0.44.04-alpha1
https://dfhack.readthedocs.io/en/latest/docs/NEWS-dev.html#dfhack-0-44-04-alpha1
It was a dfhack issue in 44.03, which is fixed in the new version. The fix will be in this set with the next update.
Post by: Meph on January 16, 2018, 02:33:45 pm
Now there are biscuits, stew and roast. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/Yd2Fktz.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/PDxuEE7.png)
Post by: Hylum on January 16, 2018, 03:09:04 pm
Foods have sub types... so far they had the same sprite, just with a +, ++ and +++ on it for the three meal types.
Now there are biscuits, stew and roast. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/Yd2Fktz.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/PDxuEE7.png)
This is great! Was just thinking about this yesterday!
Post by: Meph on January 16, 2018, 05:05:51 pm
- Fixed earring transparency.
- Added unique sprites for each food type.
- Added unique sprite for frozen brooks.
- Updated the workshop legend sheet.
- Added "construction" sprite for unfinished workshop parts.
- Added unique sprite for constructed ramps.
- Added unique sprite for carved fortifications.
- Added unique sprite for sheets.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 16, 2018, 06:37:38 pm
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2018, 01:32:53 am
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2018, 04:38:37 am
I just had an inspiration.
Walls. No item or creature will ever be on the same tile as a wall. Walls are completely save from the bug that shows a wrong tile when two sprites are on the same tile, because they are freaking walls.
Walls have 20 different tiles.
I have 20 completely free tiles in the main tileset that I can use for overrides.
I could fix the "carried-item-looks-wrong" bug for 20 items.
Would be a lot of work (writing 20 overrides, changing 20 overrides, and moving 180 sprites across 6 tilesets. ^^), but it's possible.
Post by: Novaris on January 17, 2018, 04:56:39 am
as for walls: cool idea :D
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2018, 05:26:10 am
Post by: JesterHell696 on January 17, 2018, 07:26:52 am
Considering what I'm seeing here about people modifying the tileset raws and wanting to keep a completely unedited set of raws, I consider splitting this project into two. Tileset and Editor.
That gives me the freedom to change whatever is necessary for the optional features of the editor, without compromising save compatibility for those updating older saves or their own mods.
That would be much appreciated, Thanks.
Post by: Isher on January 17, 2018, 12:45:47 pm
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2018, 12:51:15 pm
Post by: Novaris on January 17, 2018, 04:17:56 pm
Post by: tagtag on January 17, 2018, 04:35:08 pm
In my old save bunch of wall tiles are randomly wrong. Those are orthoclase instead of the ground.
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2018, 04:47:26 pm
Post by: jecowa on January 17, 2018, 04:50:02 pm
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2018, 05:12:38 pm
Edit: to clarify: Yes, the items on the ground look wrong because of the changes and he didnt update the save, but the walls themselves shouldnt look like that either.
Post by: Jarardo on January 17, 2018, 05:48:16 pm
I am running this 44.03 version of the Meph Tileset, I downloaded it on 1/13.
Thanks!
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2018, 05:59:52 pm
I'll make a 44.05 update tomorrow. Now that dfhack, twbt and therapist are updated, that shouldnt be a problem.
Post by: Jarardo on January 17, 2018, 07:12:03 pm
Or do I need to:
Extract 44.05 to new folder
Move 44.03 regionX folder to 44.05/data/save
Take 44.05 raw and copy into moved 44.03 regionX folder
Install 44.05 DFHack
Copy all your tileset stuff to new 44.05 folder.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 17, 2018, 07:48:03 pm
Copy the raw folder, paste into data/save/region X, replace all. And make a backup first.
I'll make a 44.05 update tomorrow. Now that dfhack, twbt and therapist are updated, that shouldnt be a problem.
Looking forward to it! My fort fell to a werekangaroo cascade, so now I can start a new game without feeling bad about abandoning it :)
Post by: jecowa on January 17, 2018, 08:25:06 pm
Awesome thank you. To clarify, do I just need to take the raw folder from 44.05 and put it in the 44.03/save/regionX folder and I'm good to go still using the launcher from your 44.03 release?
Or do I need to:
Extract 44.05 to new folder
Move 44.03 regionX folder to 44.05/data/save
Take 44.05 raw and copy into moved 44.03 regionX folder
Install 44.05 DFHack
Copy all your tileset stuff to new 44.05 folder.
You want to update your save and Meph pack to Dwarf Fortress v0.44.05? To update your save, Only copy "/raw/objects/reaction_other.txt" from DF v0.44.05 into your old DF v0.44.03 save.
Updating the pack is more complicated. I think this is how you would need to do it:
Spoiler: instructions that might update Meph pack from 0.44.03 to df v0.44.05 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jarardo on January 17, 2018, 09:55:14 pm
Post by: jecowa on January 17, 2018, 10:31:23 pm
Post by: Novaris on January 18, 2018, 07:25:17 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 18, 2018, 07:47:30 am
its like waiting on a game release on steam, every hour you look at the forums to see whether the new version got released already :D
Haha yes, I'm right there with you :D
Post by: Meph on January 18, 2018, 09:13:10 am
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack V2.3 for DF 44.05 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Update!
The 44.05 DF update, over 100 new creature sprites, unique foods and some optimization on workshops.
Changelog:
- Fixed earring transparency.
- Added unique sprites for each food type.
- Added unique sprite for frozen brooks.
- Updated the workshop legend sheet.
- Added "construction" sprite for unfinished workshop parts.
- Added unique sprite for constructed ramps.
- Added unique sprite for carved fortifications.
- Added unique sprite for sheets.
- Added icon for "engraving/smoothing walls"
- Fixed engravings not showing up on pillars.
- All carried trap-components now look like a toolbox. (Aka the mechanic carries the parts in a box)
- Fire snakes got magma-background.
- Added 14 more zombified fish sprites. 34 animal man zombies. 24 giant animal zombies. 31 more zombie birds. 25 new giant bird sprites.
- Added vanilla Ascii to map/font tilesets.
- Updated Dwarf Therapist to 39.2
- Updated DF to 44.05
- Updated dfhack to 44.05 alpha
- Updated twbt to 6.33
Foods:
(https://i.imgur.com/PDxuEE7.png)
Post by: Novaris on January 18, 2018, 09:17:36 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 18, 2018, 09:23:50 am
Post by: Meph on January 18, 2018, 09:24:47 am
<<< ☼Download☼ - V2.3 for DF 44.05 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499)
<<< ☼Download☼ - V2.3 Barebones Edition >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12516)
Both updated too. ;)
Post by: Novaris on January 18, 2018, 09:25:04 am
Post by: Meph on January 18, 2018, 09:26:04 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 18, 2018, 09:37:02 am
Post by: Meph on January 18, 2018, 09:56:10 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 18, 2018, 10:44:24 am
Post by: Neothanos on January 18, 2018, 11:35:08 am
One question. I want to implement adventurecraft (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=153036.0)
And that require a merging of raw. Do you changed something that could require a manual merging, or I can simply paste adventurecraft in your pack? I don't have much experience with RAW editing, so any advice would be appreciated
Post by: Jarardo on January 18, 2018, 11:58:15 am
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407
The tileset without launcher is the 44.05 release, but there is of course no launcher.
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12499
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 18, 2018, 12:15:33 pm
Now trying it again but with only 550 years of history.
Post by: Meph on January 18, 2018, 12:22:34 pm
That happens when you have 6 folders and 3 different uploads going on at the same time. Jarardo, you are right, I did upload the old version. Re-uploading now.
Neothanos, I had a look at adventurecraft. If you drag&drop it, it will destroy everything, panic, chaos, random black holes appearing. Don't do it. You need to manually take the changes from the text files and merge them with the tileset files. A lot of work.
Post by: Neothanos on January 18, 2018, 12:26:00 pm
Neothanos, I had a look at adventurecraft. If you drag&drop it, it will destroy everything, panic, chaos, random black holes appearing. Don't do it. You need to manually take the changes from the text files and merge them with the tileset files. A lot of work.
ok. I'll try to do it for the greater good, manually checking file for file. I'll try to mantain your tiles, and adding the rest. Wish me luck >:D
Post by: Meph on January 18, 2018, 12:28:00 pm
Post by: Neothanos on January 18, 2018, 12:34:02 pm
So, correct me if I'm wrong, I'll just replace what that mod adds (different body parts, instead of vanilla body parts, and recipes) while mantaining your tiles. right?
Post by: Meph on January 18, 2018, 12:38:13 pm
Post by: Meph on January 18, 2018, 12:48:41 pm
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407
Post by: Hylum on January 18, 2018, 01:30:42 pm
Post by: PeridexisErrant on January 18, 2018, 06:09:16 pm
FWIW .7z has similar problems, while .tar is not great on Windows but otherwise fine.
Post by: Meph on January 18, 2018, 07:20:54 pm
(Actually, screw that. I just tried using winzip for the first time, it says "my trail is expired" and I should buy it. Sure. I did upload it as 7z. I know you said it has similar problems for you, but it's all I have. Rar or 7z.)
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13439
I hope it helps a bit. If it's still a problem, I download some freeware that can do .zips.
Post by: PeridexisErrant on January 18, 2018, 07:33:39 pm
Post by: jecowa on January 19, 2018, 01:27:23 am
I have a special program just for unraring things because neither my preferred compression tool or the built-in decompression tool support rar.
I'm not sure how the script works, but could it call on a CLI un-rar (https://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm) tool?
Post by: Meph on January 19, 2018, 02:04:24 am
Post by: dragonlotion on January 19, 2018, 05:31:08 am
Post by: Meph on January 19, 2018, 05:35:13 am
Post by: dragonlotion on January 19, 2018, 06:02:13 am
You have to pick your civ in the civ tab before embarking. You can check which one is yours in the neighbours tab, the top one is your currently active civ.
The problem is that there aren't any dwarf civs anymore (I generated a lot of titans and megabeasts), the only options are three goblin civs and one elven. Is it just impossible to play dwarves in this world?
Post by: Meph on January 19, 2018, 06:05:52 am
Post by: PxiePip on January 19, 2018, 07:15:58 am
Post by: dragonlotion on January 19, 2018, 07:33:41 am
I think so, unless you go to data/save/region and open the entity files, leave dwarves playable and remove playable from all other civs.
Thanks, that worked!
Post by: LeoCean on January 19, 2018, 01:12:21 pm
I really love the look of your tileset, Meph, and I'm trying to get it working with Vordak's dwarves on a Mac after taking a long hiatus from DF. I notice it usually says Windows / Mac / Linux in the thread title, is it only possible to do by hand using the barebones version?
I'm quite sure Meph uses Vordak's dwarves as the default dwarves now? I could be wrong but I'm sure it was mentioned.
Anyways Meph even when it says winrar requires you to buy it you can click the close button and it works fine, millions ignore that.
Post by: Meph on January 19, 2018, 01:35:27 pm
For Mac, have a look at Jecowas Mac Starterpack, it includes the tileset. :)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 19, 2018, 01:57:58 pm
.zip is built in to Windows explorer! You right-click on a file or folder, then "Send to -> Compressed (zipped) folder". To decompress, you can just click on it and explore as you would a normal folder and copy-paste the contents out.i just rightclick a folder -> 7zip -> add to archive - then i could select compression type and click on done and it starts compressing.
i do so for nearly 10 years now and it's more reliable than the standard windows explorer zip functionality.
Post by: jecowa on January 19, 2018, 02:16:37 pm
The downside of using it in the Lazy Mac Pack is that you don't get a lot of the special features - maybe most notably the workshops that are used to make things like paintings and wooden floors. The Lazy Mac Pack is also still on Meph 2.2 and doesn't include the new tiles for workshops under constructions and the new improved birds (which look really cute, btw).
Post by: Novaris on January 19, 2018, 06:22:04 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/yt63FEr.png)
Post by: dragonlotion on January 19, 2018, 07:39:25 pm
Post by: jecowa on January 19, 2018, 08:43:45 pm
Any idea how to fix these animals?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You found a bug. Open your /data/save/regionx/raw/graphics/graphics_4204_giant.txt file and change [CREATURE_GRAPHICS:GIANT_MARMOT] to [CREATURE_GRAPHICS:GIANT_MARMOT_HOARY].
Marble walls and marble rocks (the ones that drop when the wall is mined) look the same, is this intentional? It's not a major problem, but it's a bit confusing.
[OVERRIDE:137:B:BOULDER:BOULDER::_MDF_overrides_1:122] flux
Edit: I think you didn't update an objects file. Copy these two files from the "/raw/objects/" folder of Meph 2.3:
- inorganic_stone_layer.txt
- inorganic_stone_soil.txt
Post by: Novaris on January 19, 2018, 10:00:08 pm
Post by: Nefarian on January 20, 2018, 12:11:51 am
I'm using Meph's Tileset launcher and the is mod active, but they are nowhere to be found in-game.
I read the description and generated a new world, but i can't seem to be able to build them.
Is that because i'm using a custom race? If yes, do dwarf caravans sell the decorations? or can i spawn them with DFhack?
Sorry if the question seems obvious, i'm new to Dwarf Fortress modding.
Post by: jecowa on January 20, 2018, 12:56:11 am
Post by: Qrox on January 20, 2018, 01:57:01 am
Gave axles/gears transparent backgrounds.
Windmills look fine but hanging axles/gears above empty space (with or without other axles/gears in such empty space) are drawn with a pure-blue background. Also, sometimes the tiles are not properly updated when switching z-levels. I just migrated a save from vanilla so I might have missed something?
Post by: dragonlotion on January 20, 2018, 08:42:15 am
Marble walls and marble rocks (the ones that drop when the wall is mined) look the same, is this intentional? It's not a major problem, but it's a bit confusing.This might be a bug. You might try opening your /data/init/overrides.txt and adding a new line somewhere with this tag (but I don't know if this will help):
[OVERRIDE:137:B:BOULDER:BOULDER::_MDF_overrides_1:122] flux
Edit: I think you didn't update an objects file. Copy these two files from the "/raw/objects/" folder of Meph 2.3:And paste them into your /data/save/regionx/raw/objects/ folder. It's really the stone_layer that you need for this, but you might as well get the stone_soil too while you're at it.
- inorganic_stone_layer.txt
- inorganic_stone_soil.txt
I did both and neither worked, here are screenshots
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Lithandrill on January 20, 2018, 09:45:37 am
Love the new tileset and launcher combo, glad to see you're back!
One thing: Could you turn off the arrow keys switching tabs in the launcher? Or at least make it not trigger while in a textbox? Right now it switches tabs whenever I want to move my typing cursor.
Post by: jecowa on January 20, 2018, 12:39:19 pm
Spoiler: previous conversation (click to show/hide)
I did both and neither worked, here are screenshotsSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Sorry, it looks like you already had the updated objects file. It seems like either you are using an outdated /data/init/overrides.txt or overrides are not able to work with this type of rock.
It's supposed to look something like this:
Spoiler: doctered screenshots (click to show/hide)
Post by: Nefarian on January 20, 2018, 12:59:52 pm
Yes, it's because you are using a custom race (actually it's custom civ that causes it). I think the Mountain civilization will have some tags that your cob doesn't have that allows them to craft the decorative workshops. You might look around in entity_default.txt and copy some tags to your civ. I think the tags will have "reaction" in their names.
I'm not sure that adding the the reaction after generating the world does anything. I tried, but i still can't build them.
Meh, guess i'll have to generate another world then.
EDIT: i've added them to the "region" folder, i can build them but the game crashes instantly after building them. Seems like generating a new world is the only way to go.
EDIT 2: still crashes. i give up.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 20, 2018, 02:48:46 pm
Game sometimes freezes for a few moments, not sure if it's my computer or something else.
Also prepared food still has the old look:
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Calanndra/brimsarrows%201.jpg)
Alsoalso, I have chalk on this embark and it looks ok (mentioning in case it helps with dragonlotion's problem) :
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Calanndra/brimsarrows%202.jpg)
Otherwise everything is good :)
Post by: jecowa on January 20, 2018, 04:30:31 pm
Also prepared food still has the old look:Spoiler: screenshot (click to show/hide)
This took me a while to figure this out. Version 2.3 updated the main items sheet, but not the two supporting twbt multi-layered support sheets. Here's instructions to fix, if you'd like:
Replace your "_MDF_items-bg.png" with this one:
Spoiler: _MDF_items-bg.png (click to show/hide)
And replace your "_MDF_items-top.png" with one of these two files :
(top one is normal version and bottom one has "+++" quality overlay on the food)
Spoiler: _MDF_items-top.png (without quality markers) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: _MDF_items-top.png (with quality markers) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 20, 2018, 05:52:24 pm
Any idea why my game freezes every half a minute? Is it because some event wants to happen but I have too low population for it? As far as I can tell my computer continues to operate normally while DF freezes, and the task manager only shows a drop in gpu usage. Also, it only happens when not paused.
Post by: jecowa on January 20, 2018, 05:59:58 pm
Any idea why my game freezes every half a minute? Is it because some event wants to happen but I have too low population for it? As far as I can tell my computer continues to operate normally while DF freezes, and the task manager only shows a drop in gpu usage. Also, it only happens when not paused.
I'm wondering if your "dfhack.init" file in the root Dwarf Fortress folder still has the "twbt redraw_all 1" line in it. It should be on about the fifth line of the file. You might delete that line if you see it.
Oh, and also your save file might have a "onLoad_twbt_meph.init" file in its /raw/ folder. You can just delete that file since it's redundant now.
The redraw_all feature fixes some graphical issues, but makes crashes more likely.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 20, 2018, 06:08:33 pm
DFHack.init had redraw_all 0, so consistent with the launcher. In the /raw/ folder of my region1 save there is only onLoad.init.
So I guess it's neither of those :/
I have multilevel view on 3, this seemed like a stable number in the previous version. Could this be a problem?
I also don't have any of the caverns revealed yet.
Post by: jecowa on January 20, 2018, 06:11:00 pm
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 20, 2018, 06:16:02 pm
Edit: OK, I think this was it. I set it to 2 and now instead of freezing for 5 seconds, it has a 0.5 second hickup. I'll set it to 1, I think that should clear it up. Or to 0, just to be safe. Thanks!
Edit2: Ah no, it was not that. It looks like I was just lucky and the game didn't freeze for a while. Maybe because dorfs were not digging? Now I'm watching a miner and the freezes are back :/
Post by: jecowa on January 20, 2018, 06:35:05 pm
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 20, 2018, 06:51:37 pm
I wonder if the multilevel causes crashes have something to do with GPU power. Maybe you need a lower multilevel setting with Meph 32x than other graphics packs because Meph is much more demanding on the GPU than other graphics packs. And maybe with a really simple graphics pack you could turn it all the way up to 15.
Sadly in my case it looks like it was not the multilevel view. I have task manager open and every time the freeze happens the gpu usage goes down, but I guess that's normal when nothing new is moving on screen.
Could it be a windows update? Are we due one soon? I vaguely remember it happening before, but now not so sure about those memories.
Post by: Meph on January 21, 2018, 02:58:43 am
Multilevel 0 stops TWBT-related crashes for some people, as does twbt redraw_all 0. Both are worth a try.
Nefarian, new buildings are added in the entity file and you need a new worldgen. The buildings themselves can't causes crashes, since they are 1-tile workshops that do nothing. The only culprit in this case I could identify is twbt redraw_all 1.
dragonlotion, that looks like your overrides.txt in data/init might be outdated. Did you move any saves around in between versions?
Lithandrill, I'll have a look at the tabs. :)
Qrox, tiles not updating is a TWBT issue. You can force it to redraw everything all the time with twbt redraw_all 1, but it might causes instability. Even I can repeat those, it really dislikes farmplots and custom workshops. The black background on the machines I can't fix... it shows the background tile, open-space, but somehow makes it black instead of giving it a color. You have to ask mifki about a fix for that. ^^
Novaris, GIANT_MARMOT bug found, GIANT_MARMOT bug fixed. :)
Post by: jecowa on January 21, 2018, 03:58:25 am
Post by: dragonlotion on January 21, 2018, 08:21:16 am
dragonlotion, that looks like your overrides.txt in data/init might be outdated. Did you move any saves around in between versions?
Nope, but I redownloaded the launcher and it's working now, I must have messed up the overrides file... somehow? Sorry to bother y'all
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 21, 2018, 09:52:54 am
I have population cap at 20, visitor cap at 20, invader cap also at 20, and invading monsters cap at 10.
The game stops for a few seconds as if it was calculating something, and then goes on again as if nothing happened. One of my fans starts working harder when it happens, but the Task Manager doesn't show an increase in any activity, only a drop in GPU load.
Post by: Nefarian on January 21, 2018, 01:54:21 pm
Nefarian, new buildings are added in the entity file and you need a new worldgen. The buildings themselves can't causes crashes, since they are 1-tile workshops that do nothing. The only culprit in this case I could identify is twbt redraw_all 1.
I did generate a new world, but the game crashes each time after i place a decoration and resume
Even after disabling redraw_all it still crashes. Do i need to generate a new world for that too?
Post by: Meph on January 21, 2018, 02:07:03 pm
Post by: Nefarian on January 21, 2018, 04:40:28 pm
Nefarian, do you have any errorlog and/or modded your files in any way?
I have a custom race, i've added the decoration's reactions to their entity file, no problems there. The decorations appear and everything is fine. Except the crashing.
I've only now noticed an error in the log about a wrong color token in my custom race, probably caused by a typo, but i doubt it has anything to do with the decoration crashes.
Unrecognized Color Token: ASH_GRAY
That is the only error shown there.
Post by: Meph on January 21, 2018, 05:33:36 pm
Anyway, it shouldnt have anything to do with crashes, as you say. No idea why they do that. It's a simple workshop, no reaction, 1 override. Even the vanilla workshop use a lot of overrides, I can only say that it has to be a TWBT problem. Nothing I can do about it. :/
Post by: jecowa on January 21, 2018, 05:39:57 pm
Yeah, that should be ASH_GREY.Are you sure? It's called "ASH_GRAY" in descriptor_color_standard.txt. I'm not seeing "ASH_GREY" used anywhere in any version of your pack.
Post by: Nefarian on January 21, 2018, 07:20:25 pm
Yeah, that should be ASH_GREY.
Anyway, it shouldnt have anything to do with crashes, as you say. No idea why they do that. It's a simple workshop, no reaction, 1 override. Even the vanilla workshop use a lot of overrides, I can only say that it has to be a TWBT problem. Nothing I can do about it. :/
Sad to hear, but thank you for helping me. I can live without the decorations, the tileset is already epic anyway :)
Maybe i'll try downloading the Launcher and all when i'm done with this fort. Maybe something went wrong during the download?
Btw, the decoration pack needs some kind of sacrificial altar to Armok. So we can kill the
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 21, 2018, 09:38:59 pm
Any ideas what else I can try?
Post by: mifki on January 21, 2018, 10:17:58 pm
My game still freezes every now and then and I can't figure out what to do.
Freezes? Or crashes?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 22, 2018, 12:55:06 am
Post by: KoE on January 22, 2018, 04:45:58 am
The OP has what I expected:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
What I'm seeing in my game is also present in recent screenshots from this thread - here's a quote of one for easier reference.
:
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Calanndra/brimsarrows%202.jpg)
It's kinda driving me nuts. I thought maybe it was some glitch with my setup, but it persists across embarks, reinstalls, and on different computers entirely. I've fiddled with TWBT and most of the other launcher settings I can think of to no avail, and I'd very much like to have the more regular cavern floors as they appear in the original post's example screenshot.
Post by: Qrox on January 22, 2018, 06:24:06 am
What's going on with the green borders on dug out tiles?
Meph_32x32.png has the dug out floor tile green. I guess it is for giving surface grasslands a better, gradual shading, but nontheless makes dug out tiles look weird. You can edit the image to turn the four tiles used for dug out floors grey-scale, I have done it and they now look fine.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 22, 2018, 06:43:34 am
Freezes? Or crashes?
Hi mifki, it's freezes. The game doesn't close, only stops responding for a few seconds and no dwarves move on the screen, then starts up again as if nothing happened. It only happens when it's unpaused.
I've uploaded a save before if you want to see if it happens to you too: Brimsarrows (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13448)
Post by: mifki on January 22, 2018, 07:44:16 am
Freezes? Or crashes?
Hi mifki, it's freezes. The game doesn't close, only stops responding for a few seconds and no dwarves move on the screen, then starts up again as if nothing happened. It only happens when it's unpaused.
I've uploaded a save before if you want to see if it happens to you too: Brimsarrows (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13448)
I'll try, never heard of such behaviour though.
Post by: Meph on January 22, 2018, 08:15:04 am
KoE, the screenshots are really old in the first post. Sorry for that. I did give them this green border, so they blend in with grass on the surface. Sadly the pebbles on top are the same as the rock floor in dug areas, so one of them has to look odd. I can make it an option in the launcher though.
Post by: jecowa on January 22, 2018, 08:27:54 am
Post by: Meph on January 22, 2018, 09:37:33 am
Post by: KoE on January 22, 2018, 03:42:14 pm
KoE, the screenshots are really old in the first post. Sorry for that. I did give them this green border, so they blend in with grass on the surface. Sadly the pebbles on top are the same as the rock floor in dug areas, so one of them has to look odd. I can make it an option in the launcher though.
I think having it as an option would be a good idea if it's not too much trouble. It is a nice effect on surface maps with vegetation, and I can respect the idea of it giving a mossy feeling underground, but it makes for too obvious a seam / grid effect in open areas dominated by that tile. Especially aboveground on barren maps, like my current freezing tundra/mountain fort, presumably the rocky desert types, etc.
It seems like a fairly easy edit, so I can take care of myself in any case.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 22, 2018, 04:00:25 pm
I'll try, never heard of such behaviour though.
I abandoned a copy of the fort to check the legends, and it turns out my fort is the only dwarven fortress left standing in that world. Could it be what is causing the freezes? It really feels as if the game was calculating something, since it only happens when it's running, not paused. Is it checking if I have enough population to start raiding the fort? Or spawning more dwarves somewhere?
I'm going to start a new fort in the same world on the abandoned copy, without launcher this time, and see if it happens again.
Post by: falcn on January 22, 2018, 04:03:50 pm
It seems like a fairly easy edit, so I can take care of myself in any case.If you'll fix it, please post it here.
Post by: Meph on January 22, 2018, 08:05:03 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/uH1yQkg.png)It seems like a fairly easy edit, so I can take care of myself in any case.If you'll fix it, please post it here.
Just save into your data/art folder, replace the Meph_32x32.png in there.
Post by: falcn on January 23, 2018, 01:20:34 am
https://imgur.com/a/ioEBK
And by the way, thank you Meph, amazing work!
Post by: vite on January 23, 2018, 02:24:52 am
Post by: falcn on January 23, 2018, 03:05:40 am
For reference:It is probably safe to conclude that "boulder" is exclusive to surface, so it can have green outline to blend in with surrounding tiles.
https://imgur.com/a/ioEBK
edited Meph_32x32.png (https://i.imgur.com/jm4vqVU.png)
Other 4 tiles are used universally, so it's a choice between better looking surface, or better looking tunnels.
Post by: Meph on January 23, 2018, 06:29:15 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 23, 2018, 07:43:34 am
The only thing is, how do I make my save from Meph Launcher game work on a bare vanilla DF?
Post by: Alyfox on January 23, 2018, 07:29:04 pm
Also, there is a tab for Invaders, with the Fort Defense stuffs.. but they're not listed as included on the original post. Clarify, is Fort Defense included?
Edit: I see the Fort Def RAWs, so IM going to assume they're in there. Leaving the Q though in case anyone else is uncertain.
Post by: Meph on January 23, 2018, 07:39:33 pm
None for the invader AI is the normal goblin AI as is in vanilla. They have "no special" AI, while kobolds/elves ambush and humans camp outside your walls.
Post by: Alyfox on January 23, 2018, 10:56:11 pm
Fortress Defense is included.
None for the invader AI is the normal goblin AI as is in vanilla. They have "no special" AI, while kobolds/elves ambush and humans camp outside your walls.
Thanks Meph, I appreciate the clarification. I figured that was the case with AI, but I wasnt sure. I want to thank you, btw, for the 32x tile set. I have old eyes, and I hugely appreciate being able to see things better :D
Post by: ildabaoth on January 24, 2018, 01:59:35 am
I'm having a small issue with the Fortress defense mod here included. I post here because I don't know if this issue also exists in the full Masterwork mod. The thing is, I've had quite a few dark stranglers sieges. Their corpses are hauled to my refuse stockpile, where they can be processed to get leather, bones, skulls and other stuff. Some parts are marked as dark stranglers bronze (or dark stranglers arms/legs bronze). It seems I can't do anything with those. They can be marked for melting, but the outcome is dark stranglers bronze which apparently is being taken back to the refuse stockpile to be melted again (automelt), but I can't craft anything with that.
I guess I could deal with this by not allowing anything dark strangler related to go to that stockpile, but it would be a half assed solution, since the landscape would be cluttered with the strangler remains all over the place. Is there something I can do so to process the dark stranglers bronze or should I atom smash them? Thanks
Post by: Meph on January 24, 2018, 03:26:48 am
The fortress defense mod is by Darkflagrance, best post such feedback in his thread. I just include the mod. In theory MasterworkDF offers a crematory workshop that clears clutter like that, but it's not included in this pack. ^^
Post by: vite on January 24, 2018, 04:56:02 am
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Post by: Meph on January 24, 2018, 05:42:41 am
Post by: vite on January 24, 2018, 06:40:51 am
Post by: Novaris on January 24, 2018, 05:04:49 pm
Two things I found: in create_bird it says giant paregrine falcon were it should be peregrine falcon
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:GIANT PAREGRINE FALCON]
and in _mdf_items-top.bg it seems the old food graphics are still in use. :)
Other than this I LOVE IT :D
Post by: dragonlotion on January 25, 2018, 01:26:59 pm
Transform Msg. - it doesn't save my setting, every time I open the launcher I need to reactivate it
Digging Stop - just doesn't work, dorfs are still scared of warm rocks (don't know if this is true of damp stones as well, haven't dug next to water yet)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 25, 2018, 02:15:28 pm
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Calanndra/BIRD.jpg)
Post by: Meph on January 25, 2018, 05:40:59 pm
Two problems with the Announcements section of the launcher:Are the dwarves scared of rocks, or does the game tell you "Stop, warm rock located" and pauses the game? That's a difference. I can only affect the announcements.
Transform Msg. - it doesn't save my setting, every time I open the launcher I need to reactivate it
Digging Stop - just doesn't work, dorfs are still scared of warm rocks (don't know if this is true of damp stones as well, haven't dug next to water yet)
Mrok girl, that's the same bug that Novaris posted. the creature ID in graphics is wrong, so he has no assigned sprite and picks it's tile instead.
Post by: Novaris on January 27, 2018, 01:50:41 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 27, 2018, 02:05:31 pm
Hey Meph, I notices that you added the new food to the _mdf_items but you didn't update the -bg and -top files accordingly :D Or is this just my version?ah, so that was the reason for the funky visions. i thought i missed updating the raws in my save.
Post by: ZayZe on January 28, 2018, 11:42:07 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 28, 2018, 03:20:07 pm
Post by: Meph on January 29, 2018, 09:51:45 am
Is there a way for the game to use the tileset when exporting layers? I tried it just now but all I got was rectangular ascii :/What's "exporting layers"?
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 29, 2018, 01:48:56 pm
Is there a way for the game to use the tileset when exporting layers? I tried it just now but all I got was rectangular ascii :/What's "exporting layers"?
When you are in game, hit ESC, and choose Export Local Image. It then allows you to export all layers of your fortress as BMPs, but it doesn't use tileset for that, for some reason.
Example:
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Post by: jecowa on January 29, 2018, 04:03:30 pm
Post by: Meph on January 30, 2018, 01:37:56 am
Post by: Meph on January 30, 2018, 06:06:13 am
So far I have standardized materials and modest-mod balance/bugfixes on the list.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 30, 2018, 07:41:10 am
mousequery, autolabor would be nice.
Post by: vite on January 30, 2018, 07:46:47 am
Can you add deteriorating bodies/food/etc?
Post by: Meph on January 30, 2018, 08:10:49 am
can you add a tab for dfhack features as options?I'm not quite sure what those do or what options I could offer for them. Aren't plugins active by default?
mousequery, autolabor would be nice.
vite, I don't know yet. Next on the list for Masterwork is a 44.05 update.
I can add the deterioating bodies/food/etc scripts, although I personally never liked how fast they run.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 30, 2018, 08:16:52 am
Post by: Novaris on January 30, 2018, 08:36:23 am
Well reducing the speed of these scripts is not a big issue, you can easily enlarge it to take half a year for one level of wear or just 3 months or as it is now, a month. Maybe just copy the script and make the adaptions yourself if you want different flavors of it?can you add a tab for dfhack features as options?I'm not quite sure what those do or what options I could offer for them. Aren't plugins active by default?
mousequery, autolabor would be nice.
vite, I don't know yet. Next on the list for Masterwork is a 44.05 update.
I can add the deterioating bodies/food/etc scripts, although I personally never liked how fast they run.
Post by: Arcturus on January 30, 2018, 04:25:47 pm
EDIT : I noticed your launcher can run a 32 bit system. Is there any way I can swap in a 32 bit version of DF and play it?
EDIT2 : It really just faster to figure it out than ask you guys. Will let you know if I make a workable 32 bit version.
Post by: jecowa on January 30, 2018, 06:45:33 pm
The tile dimensions don't have anything to do with the bitness of the computer. The best way to play Meph at 16x16 would be to use the command "twbt tilesize 16 16" (without the quotes).
Post by: Arcturus on January 30, 2018, 07:58:38 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 31, 2018, 05:24:09 am
I may be able to remedy the situation by taking the source code for TWBT. Seems it comes out that all the letters are replaced with pictures. I would literally have to learn to read hieroglyphs.that's what tilesets and graphicsets are made for: replacing the letters with pictures for easier "reading"
Post by: Arcturus on January 31, 2018, 07:27:33 am
EDIT : Got rid of most of the errors. Will pack it up and put it on DFFD.
EDIT 2 : Spoke too soon. The characters and letters turned into blocks and I can't read anything in adventure mode.
Post by: Meph on January 31, 2018, 03:23:46 pm
Post by: Arcturus on January 31, 2018, 09:35:00 pm
Without TWBT it wont work. Even if you add all the letters back, then you'd break the graphics for other items, vermins or rocks.
I'm trying to take the source code from twbt and build a x86 version but it's missing some library files I would have to track down. Maybe you could talk to the creator of twbt and ask what's in the core.h file. That way I could build a 32bit version for you. I'm no master programmer but I don't really need to be for this task.
Post by: Rose on February 01, 2018, 12:45:40 am
Post by: jecowa on February 01, 2018, 12:51:06 am
It's not just a matter of compiling it, you also need to reverse engineer the DF exe to find where the rendering function is.
Is this similar to finding a Dwarf Therapist memory layout address?
Post by: Rose on February 01, 2018, 12:52:48 am
Post by: Meph on February 18, 2018, 09:39:13 pm
Post by: Rose on February 18, 2018, 10:42:29 pm
Too bad I don't have support for professions yet.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on February 19, 2018, 05:11:21 am
Considering how quiet it's here, I guess everything is working as intended? ^^well, it works quite great.
one thing though: when smooting stone and carving Fortifications into it, this works, while built fortifications look like the icon for the engraving job.
Post by: falcn on February 19, 2018, 09:51:23 am
Considering how quiet it's here, I guess everything is working as intended? ^^I messed up trying to apply tileset to a clean OS X dfhack installation. Everything works except dwarves carrying furniture blink with a wrong item. What I missed?
Post by: Meph on February 19, 2018, 11:03:29 am
Nothing. It's a TWBT bug that I can't affect. I assume that mifki will fix it at some point.Considering how quiet it's here, I guess everything is working as intended? ^^I messed up trying to apply tileset to a clean OS X dfhack installation. Everything works except dwarves carrying furniture blink with a wrong item. What I missed?
Post by: falcn on February 19, 2018, 05:37:21 pm
Post by: Hylum on February 19, 2018, 05:51:50 pm
Post by: Dahrk on February 20, 2018, 01:51:06 pm
Gameplay wise, the only things I could hope for are standardized materials and you turning your gaze towards Adventure Mode, if/when it gets better twbt support.
Post by: jecowa on February 20, 2018, 03:39:23 pm
Post by: Meph on February 20, 2018, 04:47:06 pm
Adv mode I wouldnt even know where to start. People would have to tell me what to change/add.
Post by: tnuhnivad on February 23, 2018, 12:42:01 pm
Considering how quiet it's here, I guess everything is working as intended? ^^
Was there a fix I missed for the cages showing up for items, corpses and plants, etc.?
Post by: jecowa on February 23, 2018, 01:24:51 pm
Was there a fix I missed for the cages showing up for items, corpses and plants, etc.?
This pack reorganizes tiles a lot. I'm wondering if you updated your /data/art/ files with the latest version of the pack without also updating your /data/save/region x/raw/objects/ files with the latest version of the pack. That could cause the kind of visual errors you described.
You might backup your save before trying to update its objects files, though.
Post by: Dahrk on February 24, 2018, 08:00:00 am
Adv mode I wouldnt even know where to start. People would have to tell me what to change/add.
I've done a bit of experimenting in Adv mode and found a few things that may be of interest. Overall, it's looking very good, but there are still twbt bugs that render it unstable.
My wolfman started in a human hall. The transparent overrides look great, as do the status indicators - note the gentleman slumped next to a display case. It's a small change, but the status indicators enrich the experience of visiting taverns and halls, making it easier to keep track of who's doing what.
(https://i.imgur.com/ROgXtjA.png)
I wandered outside and took a look at some of the locals' gardens. That rectangle of random sprites is a collection of garden plants, and the glitched sprite that is displayed for each plant appears to be consistent.
(https://i.imgur.com/afvbUOj.png)
After wandering off into the wood, the sprites switch back to their correct overrides after a moment of stutter. Two of the plants shown here, the cranberries and bitter vetch, were also in the garden. There appears to be a crossover of about 15 tiles, where you can keep running back and forth watching the overrides flicker. The game stutters every time this happens, sometimes followed by a ctd.
(https://i.imgur.com/XsxvS2W.png)
I also took look around a treehome as an elf. As you can see, npcs look great, but my adventurer became rather fruity every time she walked over leaves.
(https://i.imgur.com/G11Q2Rg.png)
In short, Adv mode is actually already looking great, but twbt is glitchy and appears to cause crashes.
EDIT: Thanks to falcn for fixing the embedded images!
Post by: falcn on February 24, 2018, 08:57:07 am
Post by: Leonidas on March 01, 2018, 10:52:21 pm
But I have one problem. My current fortress has tetrahedrite veins in a granite layer. I'm having trouble distinguishing the granite from the tetrahedrite.
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Is there a variant of your tileset that'll help with this?
Post by: Hylum on March 07, 2018, 03:27:24 pm
Any up and coming updated version of your pack?
- updated DFHack to 44.05-r2
- updated TwbT to v6.35
- updated Dwarf Therapist to v39.2.1
Post by: Meph on March 15, 2018, 06:47:08 am
Post by: Hylum on March 15, 2018, 12:05:53 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 15, 2018, 03:18:53 pm
Haha, I thought so, that makes sense. I am looking forward to the next release.yeah, double that.
Post by: fricy on March 17, 2018, 12:03:37 pm
Just wanted to say that I planned that update, then 44.06 came out, so I waited for TWBT, now 44.07 came out, so now I'm waiting again on the utilities. ^^ Once everything looks stable, I'll upload a new version.Hey!
Nice set!
You might want to look at Cacao trees. I'm getting these white rectangles where the branches are. Other trees seem to be ok.
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I'm using the set in PE's starter pack with 44.07 dfhack alpha.
Post by: jecowa on March 17, 2018, 02:05:41 pm
With the error about the paintings and the wooden floor, I'm guessing you created your save file in the full version of Meph and then installed the version of Meph from the Starter Pack into it. Is that right? The full version of Meph adds a bunch of decorative items (like paintings and wood floors) that aren't included in the Lazy Newb Packs. They are excluded from the LNP to that save compatibility doesn't break when users change graphics packs.
Post by: Meph on March 17, 2018, 03:36:04 pm
The Cacao tree bug: If an activity zone is anywhere (active, inactive, shown or not) it messes with overrides, if the item has the same tile number as the override I use for zones. In short: I'll just have to find a new tile number for the Cacao fruits and it fixes itself.
Post by: jecowa on March 17, 2018, 04:59:09 pm
Paintings are a newer addition to the set... guess the lines in the override files made their way into PEs starterpack.
Oh, yeah. That's it. I think it's a harmless error.
Post by: fricy on March 18, 2018, 04:28:40 am
Thanks, that was my hunch too.Paintings are a newer addition to the set... guess the lines in the override files made their way into PEs starterpack.Oh, yeah. That's it. I think it's a harmless error.
The Cacao tree bug: If an activity zone is anywhere (active, inactive, shown or not) it messes with overrides, if the item has the same tile number as the override I use for zones. In short: I'll just have to find a new tile number for the Cacao fruits and it fixes itself.Guess that explains it, though I could'nt make them go away by deleting all zones and reloading the save. And the zones were not under the trees or anywhere near.
Post by: ThoMeuhGal on March 18, 2018, 05:37:28 am
I saw Meph was asking if we had requests so :
What would make me really happy would be to have Taffer's Revised (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.0) mod included in the pack, maybe even toggleable in the launcher.
I also see Vordak's dwarves included as alternative sprites. I recently discovered Oab's sprites (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=169225.0) and I'm loving them. Maybe they could also be included as alternatives?
Post by: fricy on March 18, 2018, 10:18:32 am
I saw Meph was asking if we had requests so :You can try this (https://www.dropbox.com/s/p0f0kx6brvs97p2/Meph_Revised.44.07_merged.zip?dl=0) until Meph (if) includes it the pack. It was a relatively straightforward merge, and I'm not seeing errors in the logs, but treat it as experimental, because it was a long time ago I last touched any raws. :)
What would make me really happy would be to have Taffer's Revised (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.0) mod included in the pack, maybe even toggleable in the launcher.
Overwrite the files in Meph's df/raw/objects, and generate a new worlds because the changes are not compatible with the base game.
Post by: ThoMeuhGal on March 18, 2018, 11:09:41 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 18, 2018, 11:46:43 am
i like many of taffers changes. so i support the request for it being added as an optional change.I saw Meph was asking if we had requests so :You can try this (https://www.dropbox.com/s/p0f0kx6brvs97p2/Meph_Revised.44.07_merged.zip?dl=0) until Meph (if) includes it the pack. It was a relatively straightforward merge, and I'm not seeing errors in the logs, but treat it as experimental, because it was a long time ago I last touched any raws. :)
What would make me really happy would be to have Taffer's Revised (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.0) mod included in the pack, maybe even toggleable in the launcher.
Overwrite the files in Meph's df/raw/objects, and generate a new worlds because the changes are not compatible with the base game.
Post by: Meph on March 21, 2018, 11:33:40 am
Post by: Dahrk on March 21, 2018, 12:21:51 pm
I asked Taffer, he is up for it. I can add his revised changes to the tileset, as optional features in the launcher. :)
This is good news! I've been putting off playing 44.07, because I couldn't decide between your tileset and Revised. I've been happily playing both this evening, with no problems, so thanks fricy for sharing the merged raws!
Post by: ThoMeuhGal on March 22, 2018, 02:24:36 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 22, 2018, 12:56:30 pm
I asked Taffer, he is up for it. I can add his revised changes to the tileset, as optional features in the launcher. :)Woohoo Yay!
Post by: Meph on March 22, 2018, 02:48:12 pm
Post by: ThoMeuhGal on March 22, 2018, 03:23:23 pm
Just as info for the people that press F5 all day. ;)
Did you hack my webcam? :o
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 23, 2018, 03:46:14 am
Tomorrow is the last day of the first course in flight school (paragliding), the day after tomorrow I have free and will sit down and do the update. Just as info for the people that press F5 all day. ;)even more woohoo! :D
Post by: Hylum on March 23, 2018, 01:07:06 pm
Nice! \:D/Tomorrow is the last day of the first course in flight school (paragliding), the day after tomorrow I have free and will sit down and do the update. Just as info for the people that press F5 all day. ;)even more woohoo! :D
Post by: hemmingjay on March 25, 2018, 04:36:33 pm
Tomorrow is the last day of the first course in flight school (paragliding), the day after tomorrow I have free and will sit down and do the update. Just as info for the people that press F5 all day. ;)
Take a moment to savor the experience! It is a memory you will carry to your death bed. That being said, I am very eager to get my grubby paws on the new update.
Post by: dimondmine2 on March 26, 2018, 03:51:54 pm
Post by: fricy on March 27, 2018, 02:38:43 am
How would I go about importing the TomiTaipo Old Genesis mod into the Meph launcher? Assuming that its possible and reasonable to explain in a forum post.I don't know about the bringing it into the launcher part.
To make anything compatible with this (or any other gfx set) follow this workflow:
- Get Kdiff3 (http://kdiff3.sourceforge.net/)
- Prepare your raw sets in a working folder. You'll need a base raw, a mod raw and a gfx (Meph's) raw
- Load the base raw directory in panel A, mod raw directory into panel B, gfx raw directory into panel C
- Check which files need to be merged. You can usually trust automatic merges, when it runs into a conflict decide how to handle it.
- Pay attention to line identations, and which line should contain which tag. Try not to mix them up. Sometimes you need to manually edit in the bottom panel, most of the time you just need to select the correct line.
- Use keyboard shortcuts to work quickly: Ctrl+up/down for next edit, Ctrl+PgUp/PgDown for conflicts. Ctrl+1/2/3 to select line from A/B/C
- After saving your work, copy the merged gfx raws into DF/raws, launch game, check error logs, generate a new world. If all is well, play. If not, go back to the drawing board.
Eg. if you have a 43.05 mod, Panel A loads base 43.05 raws, B -> base 44.07 raws, Panel C -> Mod 43.05 raws. Merge to get 44.07 Mod. Test again, if all is well merge the gfx.
Theoretically you can merge any number of mods this way: A -> base, B ->Mod1, C -> Mod2. Merge, then A- >Base, B->Mod3, C->Mod1+2. Rinse, repeat.
I say theoretically, because some tags in older raws have been changed, so you need to know what changed and why. So I wouldn't advice updating something like a .22b mod or something this way. Probably not even .34.11. That needs a complete rewrite.
Post by: ThoMeuhGal on March 27, 2018, 04:29:36 am
Post by: Krutchen on March 27, 2018, 01:32:17 pm
Post by: dimondmine2 on March 27, 2018, 02:29:16 pm
Post by: Meph on March 29, 2018, 11:04:07 am
Post by: ThoMeuhGal on March 29, 2018, 11:07:57 am
Post by: Meph on March 30, 2018, 12:53:52 pm
Post by: PrudentDwarves on March 30, 2018, 04:25:34 pm
For "pig tales" there is
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:1:8:8]
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
Must be (changed first line new tile from 1 to 33 (plus 32))
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
Other plants in "_MDF_overrides_3" have the same error, except "plump helmets".
They are all right:
[OVERRIDE:6:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:32:8:8]
[OVERRIDE:6:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:32:8:8]
Also what's wrong with wooden doors in a stockpile? Just a black empty space there.
Post by: Meph on March 30, 2018, 04:38:01 pm
Found some wrong values in "overrides.txt".Wooden doors use so called inverted tiles, they use the background color, black, which TWBT cant really handle. The only way to change that would be to apply a fixed color, which would make all wooden doors the same hue. I'm fine with how it looks right now, as long as the build wooden doors look fine.
For "pig tales" there is
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:1:8:8]
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
Must be (changed first line new tile from 1 to 33 (plus 32))
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
Other plants in "_MDF_overrides_3" have the same error, except "plump helmets".
They are all right:
[OVERRIDE:6:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:32:8:8]
[OVERRIDE:6:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:32:8:8]
Also what's wrong with wooden doors in a stockpile? Just a black empty space there.
Are you sure that the overrides are errors? I'm fairly certain that they are perfectly fine. Just have a look at the PNG. There are three versions for each plant... one with the picked plant, one with the plant in a farmplot, one with the plant on grass.
Post by: Meph on March 30, 2018, 04:49:44 pm
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack V2.4 for DF 44.07 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Update!
Long time no see... anyway, here is the 44.07 update. Utilities for 44.08 are not updated yet, so please be patient.
The update adds another option to the launcher, Taffers Revised Mod. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.0). To use his own words: "An editor's pass over Dwarf Fortress: more balanced gameplay, more atmosphere, and fewer bugs. Every creature in the game has a rewritten description and many have simpler names. I want to make the game more pleasant to read and play, without straying too far from the original."
All in all it makes a lot of small changes, but none dramatically change the gameplay. It mostly fixes vanilla DF bugs, makes a few things more realistic and adds longer, more colorful descriptions to creatures.
You can enable it by going to the "ADDITIONS" tab in the launcher; a single button-press will install the mod for you, then you have to gen a new world. (I have not finished going through all the changes, about half of the creature changes are missing. I'm not sure if I want to add the name-simplifications for them, and a few other changes I have to take a closer look at. Right now, you probably have about 80% of Taffers original revised mod. Everything is there, except for some creature changes.)
Please let me know if you encounter any issues; if you have feedback specifically about the Revised mod, please send it to Taffer. :)
Post by: Vordak on March 30, 2018, 07:15:28 pm
Graphic files from ...data\art\ were there any changes?
p.s It would be good to update dwarves to latest version.
Post by: Meph on March 31, 2018, 01:33:08 am
Post by: PrudentDwarves on March 31, 2018, 03:35:53 am
Wooden doors use so called inverted tiles, they use the background color, black, which TWBT cant really handle. The only way to change that would be to apply a fixed color, which would make all wooden doors the same hue. I'm fine with how it looks right now, as long as the build wooden doors look fine.
Left side: how it is right now.
Right side: with fixed foreground color.
(https://i.imgur.com/yaldnFr.png)
I don't understand how it is fine by you. More so since both wooden and stone doors as buildings have their colors fixed. (I am not a fan of fixed hue either.)
Are you sure that the overrides are errors? I'm fairly certain that they are perfectly fine. Just have a look at the PNG. There are three versions for each plant... one with the picked plant, one with the plant in a farmplot, one with the plant on grass.
How sure I am? See for yourself:
Right now:
(https://i.imgur.com/KY04CQK.png)
Correct way (as I described above):
(https://i.imgur.com/Pk6XqYb.png)
Post by: ThoMeuhGal on March 31, 2018, 06:39:22 am
Post by: Meph on March 31, 2018, 08:34:34 am
Post by: ThoMeuhGal on March 31, 2018, 09:43:58 am
The "OPTIMIZED CAVERNS" presets apparently have changes to embark points (1274 vs 1504) and mineral scarcity (600 vs 2500) compared to their vanilla counterparts but no changes to the cavern settings. I assume the idea was to increase cavern openness minimum and decrease passage density maximum, just like in the presets inherited from masterwork?
Post by: Meph on March 31, 2018, 10:04:36 am
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just like in the presets inherited from masterwork?Yes. They should be the presets from MasterworkDF...
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 31, 2018, 02:32:58 pm
Post by: Meph on March 31, 2018, 03:36:14 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 31, 2018, 04:10:52 pm
erm do all tools also look like hatchets? i remember they didnt in 2.3 release.
Post by: PrudentDwarves on March 31, 2018, 05:39:25 pm
Touché, that does look wrong. ^^ Since you seem to have it fixed in your version already, would you be so kind to upload the correct override entries?Upload? All I did is:
for wooden door item: set foreground color as for the building,
for the plants: only corrected underground crops, that took me less than a minute, so I hardly see the point in uploading.
If you are interested in doing it yourself, it's quite simple:
For "pig tales" there is
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:1:8:8]
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
Must be (changed first line new tile from 1 to 33 (plus 32))
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
Other plants in "_MDF_overrides_3" have the same error, only "plump helmets" are all right.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 01, 2018, 09:08:08 am
maybe the game didn't like me planting 5 doors and restricting the meeting hall so fast.
Post by: Mrok Girl on April 01, 2018, 09:32:57 am
i just had my first crash since 44.05.
maybe the game didn't like me planting 5 doors and restricting the meeting hall so fast.
Did you remember to change the multilevel redraw to whatever you had previously? I only just did ^^'
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 01, 2018, 11:21:08 am
that's always the first thing i do - otherwise mousequery edge would drive me nuts, because it doesnt work properly with multilevel view.i just had my first crash since 44.05.
maybe the game didn't like me planting 5 doors and restricting the meeting hall so fast.
Did you remember to change the multilevel redraw to whatever you had previously? I only just did ^^'
Post by: Vordak on April 01, 2018, 12:04:19 pm
In overrides.txt is all written correctly:
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[OVERRIDE:255:I:TOOL:TOOL:17:_MDF_overrides_1:237]Screenshot I do not attach as it is not informative.P.S overrides.txt definitely requires marks\notes for items from ...\raw\objects\ .
P.S.2. In tileset from PeridexisErrant's Starter Pack (64bit) - v0.44.05-r03 there is no such bug (code of wheelbarrow override is similar) - It looks like the problem is related to version of DFhack or TWBT.
P.S.3. Also found that instead of pot(tile #233) shows scroll roller(tile #239).
Post by: PrudentDwarves on April 01, 2018, 07:20:20 pm
Wooden doors use so called inverted tiles, they use the background color, black, which TWBT cant really handle.No, it is not. TWBT handles them all right.
The only way to change that would be to apply a fixed color, which would make all wooden doors the same hue.
Since wooden doors in DF represented as colorwise-inverted symbol, the sprite itself must be converted as well. And I've managed to do that with one smart tool.
Where can I submit/upload it to?
(It's a PNG 32x32 new wooden door image.)
P.S. Yes!!! Finally!!! In my fortress each and every wooden door has its own hue based on material used.
Post by: fricy on April 02, 2018, 01:52:19 am
Found a strange bug - incorrect display tile of wheelbarrow(tile #237 from _MDF_items.png) - it look like helve(tile #247 from _MDF_items.png).
In overrides.txt is all written correctly:Code: [Select][OVERRIDE:255:I:TOOL:TOOL:17:_MDF_overrides_1:237]Screenshot I do not attach as it is not informative.
P.S overrides.txt definitely requires marks\notes for items from ...\raw\objects\ .
P.S.2. In tileset from PeridexisErrant's Starter Pack (64bit) - v0.44.05-r03 there is no such bug (code of wheelbarrow override is similar) - It looks like the problem is related to version of DFhack or TWBT.
P.S.3. Also found that instead of pot(tile #233) shows scroll roller(tile #239).
I can confirm that this bug exists if you use the Revised option in the launcher, but displays correctly with the default raws. I noticed the wheelbarrows bug in the raws sets I generated and posted here earlier, and it seems to be present in Meph's official version too. It indicates that something in Revised messes up the tool IDs in the memory.
I expect all/some tools to be shifted by 7, because you can fix wheelbarrows by changing:
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[OVERRIDE:255:I:TOOL:TOOL:24:_MDF_overrides_1:247]toCode: [Select]
[OVERRIDE:255:I:TOOL:TOOL:24:_MDF_overrides_1:237] wheelbarrow was 247As you can see TOOL:17 became TOOL:24. Vordak's comment for pot show the same shift TOOL:12 (#233) ->TOOL:19 (#239)It needs to be confirmed that all tools are messed up, or only some. It would also be nice to confirm that other items are ok.
I tried to compare the generated raw sets between default/revised, but nothing stands out as obvious, item_tool.txt is identical in both versions. So I'm stumped for the reason, if Meph doesn't know either, then the obvious fix is to have a modified overrides.txt for Revised with the shifted tool IDs.
PS1: What's the command in dfhack for inspecting the memory layout of units/items/etc.? I forgot, would be useful in this case.
PS2: @Meph: As far as I know you don't need the LAA patch with the now standard 64 bit DF, it can address all the memory avaliable.
Post by: jecowa on April 02, 2018, 02:08:11 am
PS1: What's the command in dfhack for inspecting the memory layout of units/items/etc.? I forgot, would be useful in this case.You mean this thing?: https://gist.github.com/cvuchener/c176e7d0bee18e5c6c75c7ac5bded6f7
Post by: fricy on April 02, 2018, 03:31:44 am
No, altough that script is useful for debuging this. I was thinking of gui/gm-editor. Found it. :)PS1: What's the command in dfhack for inspecting the memory layout of units/items/etc.? I forgot, would be useful in this case.You mean this thing?: https://gist.github.com/cvuchener/c176e7d0bee18e5c6c75c7ac5bded6f7
(Goddam it Toady, you put tools into finished goods, large tools into furnitures, and some tools even have their own stockpile settings... And it looks like musical intruments are not musical intruments at all, but tools, so you can't seperate them out. And why is honeycomb even a tool? Joy to debug this mess. /rant off)
So, I generated a Revised world, embarked with all tools I could buy, and used to script above to get the IDs. Here are the results.
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17 nest box
18 jug
19 large pot
20 hive
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23 minecart
24 wheelbarrow
25 stepladder
26 scroll rollers
27 book binding
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30 book case
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33 pedestal
34 display caseThat seems to be in the same order found in the wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Tool). Crutches, splints, quivers, etc. seem to be in order, as they are items, not tools. I suspected some shenaningans with musical intruments, but their IDs are all after these base tools (35+), so that's out. Although I have to say intruments in stockpile definetly look odd, like a floor covered with straw. Is that intentional?
EDIT: intruments look all right, and go into the correct piles. Intrument pieces look odd, and go to tools piles.
Can someone else confirm they see the same shift of 7 in tool IDs? So far I have two words with the same results and Vordak's report.
Post by: Meph on April 02, 2018, 04:06:04 am
TWBT lists things by the order they appear in the raws. Revised adds a file called item_macro_fantastic.txt. It has custom reagents (Tools) for a few new reactions that take out micromanagement from the game a bit. since item_macro_fantastic is alphabetically above item_tool, those 7 new items get added first. TWBT now thinks that those are the items 0-6 in its list.
Simple fix, thanks for letting me know that the problem exists. :)
PS: I'm very familiar with this bug/issue due to making graphics for MasterworkDF. New items constantly had to be put into item_z_name.txt, so that they appear at the bottom on the list.
Post by: Rose on April 02, 2018, 04:51:28 am
Post by: fricy on April 02, 2018, 05:43:29 am
Revised adds a file called item_macro_fantastic.txt. It has custom reagents (Tools) for a few new reactions that take out micromanagement from the game a bit.Typical, just about the only file I didn't check. Because "macro". Why would it contain tools? ;D
Since I already made it, this should be the quickfix for overrides.txt until Meph release the official one. Note that the last two lines are not in the tools section, but further down around line 2530ish.
Spoiler: quickfix for overrides (click to show/hide)
@Meph: Will renaming that file to fix the tools break already generated worlds? I seem to remember that. Also it looks to me pedestals and display cases are mixed up. Not sure though, and the art is quite similar.
PS: Stepladders also seem off.
Just a note, Armok Vision has options to do a full dump of all items in the game, including and IDs and raw names.Thx, would have been useful. :)
Post by: Meph on April 02, 2018, 06:28:52 am
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@Meph: Will renaming that file to fix the tools break already generated worlds? I seem to remember that. Also it looks to me pedestals and display cases are mixed up. Not sure though, and the art is quite similar.Yes, if you also update the saved raws.
Taffer said something about possibly removing the Macro reactions part of his mod... I'm not sure if the new tools will even stay in till the next update. ^^
Post by: Rose on April 02, 2018, 06:48:57 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 02, 2018, 08:35:58 am
Post by: Vordak on April 02, 2018, 12:56:13 pm
Spoiler: fortification (click to show/hide)
Post by: db48x on April 02, 2018, 09:22:46 pm
(http://db48x.net/temp/Meph's tileset is great.png)
Post by: Taffer on April 02, 2018, 09:39:35 pm
TWBT lists things by the order they appear in the raws. Revised adds a file called item_macro_fantastic.txt. It has custom reagents (Tools) for a few new reactions that take out micromanagement from the game a bit. since item_macro_fantastic is alphabetically above item_tool, those 7 new items get added first. TWBT now thinks that those are the items 0-6 in its list.
Taffer said something about possibly removing the Macro reactions part of his mod... I'm not sure if the new tools will even stay in till the next update. ^^
Apologies! I'm reasonably sure that I actually just forgot to delete that file, and that it's not referenced at all in Revised v1.5.1. (Reasonably sure but not 100% sure, as I'm in the middle of adding in a bunch of changes and don't feel like checking to make sure).
It's already been deleted in my working version. I'll push some of the bigger items off of my next release's todo list and get a release out somewhat quicker, as I consider this a bug even in vanilla Revised.
Keep up the good work with the tileset, Meph! Sorry in advance that I'll be adding in a bunch more changes to merge in, as you're not even done merging in the current version yet.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 11, 2018, 06:27:37 am
Post by: Meph on April 11, 2018, 12:07:43 pm
can anyone deny or confirm that this can run on linux mint with wine?Yes. It can run on linux with wine. Players of MasterworkDF have done this to run the mod-launcher, and it's based on the same code as the tileset-launcher I included. If you just want the tileset (without the options), you can download this (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12516) and install dfhack/twbt yourself.
Post by: Hylum on April 11, 2018, 03:13:04 pm
Post by: Meph on April 11, 2018, 04:25:34 pm
It's fairly simple to do it yourself, it's literally just drag&drop.
Post by: Vordak on April 11, 2018, 05:39:01 pm
Post by: ancient_vampire on April 12, 2018, 05:45:31 am
Squash is set to tiles 193-208-193-244 but should be 192-208-224-224.
Did PrudentDwarves upload his changes? In case not:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hylum on April 12, 2018, 12:20:46 pm
It only adds the sprites, since the are in raw/graphics. To get all the changes, the launcher would have to replace the files in data/art. I can in theory add that option, but that's up to Vordak. It's his work; he releases his version of the tileset. I don't know if he'd want everything included in this pack.
It's fairly simple to do it yourself, it's literally just drag&drop.
That's what I thought, just thought it would be an option I/others would use if available. I like alternating games between your set and Vordak's.
Its all good I can keep doing it manually myself. ;D
Post by: se5a on April 12, 2018, 02:23:17 pm
...Yes. It can run on linux with wine. Players of MasterworkDF have done this to run the mod-launcher, and it's based on the same code as the tileset-launcher I included. If you just want the tileset (without the options), you can download this (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12516) and install dfhack/twbt yourself.
What's it written in Meph?
Edit: Ah, VB. do you have the source up on github anywhere? I could have a looksee if it'll compile in monodevelop in linux.
I got this trying to run it in wine:
System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'MasterworkDwarfFortress.MainForm' from assembly 'Masterwork Dwarf Fortress, Version=2.6.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'.
at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyProject+MyForms.get_MainForm () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyApplication.OnCreateMainForm () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase.OnRun () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase.Run (System.String[] commandLine) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyApplication.Main (System.String[] Args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'MasterworkDwarfFortress.MainForm' from assembly 'Masterwork Dwarf Fortress, Version=2.6.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'.
at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyProject+MyForms.get_MainForm () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyApplication.OnCreateMainForm () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase.OnRun () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase.Run (System.String[] commandLine) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at MasterworkDwarfFortress.My.MyApplication.Main (System.String[] Args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 12, 2018, 03:36:10 pm
Post by: HARD on April 13, 2018, 09:28:09 pm
Post by: Meph on April 14, 2018, 11:04:22 am
When im playing V2.4 starting as humans my nobles screen is completely blank, any way to fix it? tried 2 different world gens and its all the same.That's because vanilla DF humans have no nobles like dwarves do. I can add them, but it's a change from vanilla DF.
i had your pack installed and configured just fine, then switched to linux. can i just copy the contents of your pack into the linux LNP so the gamechanges can run under linux, or will this break the game?I dont run linux, so I cant say for absolute sure, but it should work. Just take the raws, and data/art, data/init files.
I can upload the vb files if you like. :)...Yes. It can run on linux with wine. Players of MasterworkDF have done this to run the mod-launcher, and it's based on the same code as the tileset-launcher I included. If you just want the tileset (without the options), you can download this (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12516) and install dfhack/twbt yourself.
What's it written in Meph?
Edit: Ah, VB. do you have the source up on github anywhere? I could have a looksee if it'll compile in monodevelop in linux.
I got this trying to run it in wine:
Post by: HARD on April 14, 2018, 11:25:19 am
Ok so it seems like the thing is, if u choose human civ that doesnt have king alive, u get blank nobles screen at the start.
Post by: Meph on April 14, 2018, 12:13:54 pm
Post by: Llamageddon on April 15, 2018, 12:36:48 pm
I seem to have set it up as a custom LNP install OK, but I suspect I am overlooking some critical files that might not be in the raw directory. I would really like all the extra fixes/changes (+ the optional Taffers revised edits) available with the v2.4 launcher.
Alternatively can I just ingore doing it manually and just install using the 44.07 Meph launcher then copy over the raw directory and the above mentioned files to a 44.09 install which is using the latest DFHack?
Edit: Well, to my surprise the cobbling together approach seems to have worked fine. Was quite tricky making sure all the changes from the v2.4 launcher were manually copied over correctly. I hope I haven't missed something. On the plus side I have now learned enough about raws to start manually adding bug fixes and improvements recommend on the forums.
Post by: Llamageddon on April 16, 2018, 11:38:47 am
TWBT lists things by the order they appear in the raws. Revised adds a file called item_macro_fantastic.txt. It has custom reagents (Tools) for a few new reactions that take out micromanagement from the game a bit. since item_macro_fantastic is alphabetically above item_tool, those 7 new items get added first. TWBT now thinks that those are the items 0-6 in its list.
Simple fix, thanks for letting me know that the problem exists. :)
@Meph: Will renaming that file to fix the tools break already generated worlds? I seem to remember that. Also it looks to me pedestals and display cases are mixed up. Not sure though, and the art is quite similar.
PS: Stepladders also seem off.
Can I just delete this raw or should I rename it? I think taffer said he just removed it from his updated Ravised but I don't really know what I am doing. :P
Edit: I added fricy's edits to overrides but I have deleted item_macro too. Is this completely wrong? Should it be one or the other?
Edit 2: I am really confused by this:
for wooden door item: set foreground color as for the building,
for the plants: only corrected underground crops, that took me less than a minute, so I hardly see the point in uploading.
If you are interested in doing it yourself, it's quite simple:For "pig tales" there is
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:1:8:8]
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
Must be (changed first line new tile from 1 to 33 (plus 32))
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
Other plants in "_MDF_overrides_3" have the same error, only "plump helmets" are all right.
Should they all be changed to 3:33 or should I it match the line unerneath? I'm probably just getting a bit obsessed with editing raws and overrides now I have kind of worked out how to do it. I should probably just wait for Meph to update, but then I won't learn. ;)
Post by: fricy on April 16, 2018, 03:30:17 pm
Re: item_macro_fantasticOnly one. If you have already generated a world, use my fixes. If you want to start a new one, then delete the macro_fantastic. Doing both will either break your existing world, or mess up the overrides in a new one.TWBT lists things by the order they appear in the raws. Revised adds a file called item_macro_fantastic.txt. It has custom reagents (Tools) for a few new reactions that take out micromanagement from the game a bit. since item_macro_fantastic is alphabetically above item_tool, those 7 new items get added first. TWBT now thinks that those are the items 0-6 in its list.
Simple fix, thanks for letting me know that the problem exists. :)@Meph: Will renaming that file to fix the tools break already generated worlds? I seem to remember that. Also it looks to me pedestals and display cases are mixed up. Not sure though, and the art is quite similar.
PS: Stepladders also seem off.
Can I just delete this raw or should I rename it? I think taffer said he just removed it from his updated Ravised but I don't really know what I am doing. :P
Edit: I added fricy's edits to overrides but I have deleted item_macro too. Is this completely wrong? Should it be one or the other?
Post by: Sanctume on April 16, 2018, 05:46:19 pm
1. I have an existing game in DF 44_09 with dfhack alpha in Phoebus; reference "~/save/mysave/raw" folder.
2. I applied taffer's balance raw something into my "~/DF/raw" folder.
3. I opened LNP, set graphics to Meph's Tiles 32x.
4. I created a pocket world, which create "~/save/region1/raw" folder.
5. I copied (3) "~/save/region1/raw" folder overwriting (1)"~/save/mysave/raw" folder.
6. I load my save game (1) and it seems Meph's Tiles is working.
Did I do it right?
Post by: DizzyCrash on April 16, 2018, 07:39:40 pm
Post by: Llamageddon on April 16, 2018, 10:57:49 pm
Post by: Rose on April 16, 2018, 11:27:29 pm
Post by: fricy on April 17, 2018, 03:07:01 am
Did I do it right?No.
You just have Meph' GFX pack without Taffer's changes. The LNP launcher doesn't merge the mod, just overwrites the raws with the version supplied in the pack. What you did is the same as the "Apply graphics to savegame" option in the launcher. And I don't think you can mod your existing world with Taffer's changes, they go too deep for that, but you have to ask Taffer to confirm. Some mods are possible past worldgen, some are not, and break the save. If for some miraculous reason this version is save game compatible, future versions won't be with the leather changes.
You should:
a, use this pack (44.07, not up to date Taffer's mod)
or
b, generate a raw set with Meps's launcher, delete item_macro_fantastic.txt, becuse it causes bugs, set tileset to Meph's in LNP, copy the generated raws to LNP DF/raws, generate a world with LNP, and NEVER let the launcher update save raws (44.09, not up to date Taffer's mod)
or
c, if you want the latest Taffer change's before Meph updates this pack you need to make a manual raw merge like this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161047.msg7720258#msg7720258). Be advised that Taffer only supplies the changed raw files in his download, so to make a mod directory you need to copy the base files there first, and overwrite them with Taffer's. (latest and greatest everything)
Post by: PrudentDwarves on April 17, 2018, 05:28:19 am
Should they all be changed to 3:33 or should I it match the line unerneath? I'm probably just getting a bit obsessed with editing raws and overrides now I have kind of worked out how to do it. I should probably just wait for Meph to update, but then I won't learn. ;)
Image-file for plants: data/art/_Meph_plants.png.
Code: (overrides.txt - version from 2.4 before any corrections applied) [Select]
[TILESET:_Meph_plants.png:_Meph_plants.png:_MDF_overrides_3]
#GRASS_TAIL_PIG
[OVERRIDE:7:B:FARM_PLOT:FarmPlot::_MDF_overrides_3:1:8:8] Inside the farm
[OVERRIDE:7:T:Shrub:_MDF_overrides_3:17:8:8] Growing outside
[OVERRIDE:7:T:ShrubDead:_MDF_overrides_3:17:5:5] Growing outside, but dead
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:1:8:8] Picked plant
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH::_MDF_overrides_3:33:8:8]
"_MDF_overrides_3:1" - see image, tile 1 (x=1, y=0) - farm plot with grown pig tail"_MDF_overrides_3:17" - tile 17 (x=1, y=1 - next row) - wild pig tail
"_MDF_overrides_3:33" - tile 33 (x=1, y=2 - another row) - picked one, this is how it should look like inside a stockpile
"I:PLANT:PLANT" - referring to a picked plant
"I:PLANT_GROWTH:PLANT_GROWTH" - don't know what it means
Code: (this line is wrong) [Select]
[OVERRIDE:7:I:PLANT:PLANT::_MDF_overrides_3:1:8:8]I hope this little explanation helps.
Also I believe ancient_vampire figured it out (msg #951). But if you are trying to learn, there are spoilers.
Post by: Llamageddon on April 17, 2018, 09:20:37 am
Post by: Rose on April 17, 2018, 10:20:46 am
Oh, that explains it.
TWBT lists things by the order they appear in the raws. Revised adds a file called item_macro_fantastic.txt. It has custom reagents (Tools) for a few new reactions that take out micromanagement from the game a bit. since item_macro_fantastic is alphabetically above item_tool, those 7 new items get added first. TWBT now thinks that those are the items 0-6 in its list.
Simple fix, thanks for letting me know that the problem exists. :)
PS: I'm very familiar with this bug/issue due to making graphics for MasterworkDF. New items constantly had to be put into item_z_name.txt, so that they appear at the bottom on the list.
Hopefully this should solve that issue for good:
https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt/pull/74
Post by: Llamageddon on April 17, 2018, 04:46:40 pm
Post by: Meph on April 18, 2018, 07:30:35 am
Does this mean both works (order in the raws and raw-tokens), or only raw-tokens work?Oh, that explains it.
TWBT lists things by the order they appear in the raws. Revised adds a file called item_macro_fantastic.txt. It has custom reagents (Tools) for a few new reactions that take out micromanagement from the game a bit. since item_macro_fantastic is alphabetically above item_tool, those 7 new items get added first. TWBT now thinks that those are the items 0-6 in its list.
Simple fix, thanks for letting me know that the problem exists. :)
PS: I'm very familiar with this bug/issue due to making graphics for MasterworkDF. New items constantly had to be put into item_z_name.txt, so that they appear at the bottom on the list.
Hopefully this should solve that issue for good:
https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt/pull/74
Post by: Boltgun on April 18, 2018, 11:30:16 am
Does this mean both works (order in the raws and raw-tokens), or only raw-tokens work?
Both, according to the code. It will try searching the type before reverting to the id.
Great news!
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 18, 2018, 12:50:29 pm
*snip*omg read that in mr farnsworth's voice :D
Great news!
Post by: DizzyCrash on April 18, 2018, 02:11:01 pm
Post by: KassaK on April 18, 2018, 02:13:36 pm
I have questions :
I added a new civ from another mod, why I can't see this civ in the Civs tab in the launcher ? Is it not dynamic ? Is there a way to have my new civ displayed in the tab for have easy acces to customization ? (Tried to duplicate an existing civ like human but still not displayed in the tab).
Same for Invaders tab.
Do we have a way to add somes additions like you did ? For example if I want to add a mod and have the possibility to enable/disable, is there a way to have this mod in the Additions tab ?
Thanks !
Post by: DizzyCrash on April 18, 2018, 02:33:18 pm
I have uploaded my file.. can somebody please help me figure out whats wrong with it and why its not working?
Post by: DizzyCrash on April 18, 2018, 06:09:34 pm
Post by: Llamageddon on April 18, 2018, 09:53:37 pm
Code: [Select]
[WINDOWEDX:80]
[WINDOWEDY:25]
[FONT:font.png]
[FULLSCREENX:0]
[FULLSCREENY:0]
[FULLFONT:font.png]
You can either change the 'font.png' to the name of the font you want or just rename that font to 'font.png'
Next thing to look at is these lines.
Code: [Select]
[GRAPHICS:YES]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDX:0]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDY:0]
[GRAPHICS_FONT:Meph_32x32.png]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENX:0]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENY:0]
[GRAPHICS_FULLFONT:Meph_32x32.png]
[GRAPHICS_BLACK_SPACE:YES]If you are using DFHack and Text Will Be Text plugin for it then you also need to change PRINT_MODE: to [PRINT_MODE:TWBT]
If you try the LNP installer it makes editing the init a bit more intuitive but might complicate things for you. However I still recommend using one of the pre-installed packs, make sure that is running fine then compare what you are doing with the files there.
Good luck
Post by: DizzyCrash on April 18, 2018, 10:55:42 pm
You probably need to edit the the init file. If I were you I'd just install Meph's v2,3 or 2.4. It should do all the work for you. What you probably are having trouble with with a manual install is the init file (data>init). Compare yours with the Meph install. You'll need to make sure the correct font is loading. Look at these lines:Code: [Select][WINDOWEDX:80]
[WINDOWEDY:25]
[FONT:font.png]
[FULLSCREENX:0]
[FULLSCREENY:0]
[FULLFONT:font.png]
You can either change the 'font.png' to the name of the font you want or just rename that font to 'font.png'
Next thing to look at is these lines.Code: [Select][GRAPHICS:YES]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDX:0]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDY:0]
[GRAPHICS_FONT:Meph_32x32.png]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENX:0]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENY:0]
[GRAPHICS_FULLFONT:Meph_32x32.png]
[GRAPHICS_BLACK_SPACE:YES]
If you are using DFHack and Text Will Be Text plugin for it then you also need to change PRINT_MODE: to [PRINT_MODE:TWBT]
If you try the LNP installer it makes editing the init a bit more intuitive but might complicate things for you. However I still recommend using one of the pre-installed packs, make sure that is running fine then compare what you are doing with the files there.
Good luck
I literally copy and pasted the init from Mephs... what else could be wrong...
Can somebody please look at the file i uploaded and tell me whats wrong? IV been at this for days.
Post by: Dahrk on April 19, 2018, 01:03:53 am
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13690 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13690)
I have uploaded my file.. can somebody please help me figure out whats wrong with it and why its not working?
DFHack isn't working in the files you uploaded. If you run Dwarf Fortress.exe you'll notice that the DFHack window does not open. This is why Meph's overrides aren't working for you. I don't know why, precisely, but it doesn't matter; installing the latest releases of DFHack and TWBT fixes it.
This is how to get it working for your uploaded files:
- Install the latest release of DFHack for your operating system by extracting the contents of the downloaded archive into your 'DF Plus' folder. Say yes to overwriting any files.
https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/releases (https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/releases) - Install the latest release of TWBT for your operating system by extracting mousequery.plug.dll and twbt.plug.dll into the /hack/plugins folder. Say yes to overwriting the two files.
https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt/releases (https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt/releases)
Post by: DizzyCrash on April 19, 2018, 02:19:04 am
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13690 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13690)
I have uploaded my file.. can somebody please help me figure out whats wrong with it and why its not working?
DFHack isn't working in the files you uploaded. If you run Dwarf Fortress.exe you'll notice that the DFHack window does not open. This is why Meph's overrides aren't working for you. I don't know why, precisely, but it doesn't matter; installing the latest releases of DFHack and TWBT fixes it.
This is how to get it working for your uploaded files:This worked for me with your files, so it should work for you! :)
- Install the latest release of DFHack for your operating system by extracting the contents of the downloaded archive into your 'DF Plus' folder. Say yes to overwriting any files.
https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/releases (https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/releases)- Install the latest release of TWBT for your operating system by extracting mousequery.plug.dll and twbt.plug.dll into the /hack/plugins folder. Say yes to overwriting the two files.
https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt/releases (https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt/releases)
Will do boss! Thanks for simplifying it. I am good at tinkering with stuff but not so much with instructions haha, I tend to skim and than get overwhelmed.. I will do that now.
Post by: DizzyCrash on April 19, 2018, 02:46:31 am
Plugin: 0.44.09-alpha1, DFHack: 0.44.09-r1
Plugin twbt was not built for this version of DFHack.
Plugin: 0.44.09-alpha1, DFHack: 0.44.09-r1
The dfhack.init configuration file is missing. To customize
your DFHack installation, rename the dfhack.init-example file
to dfhack.init and edit it to suit your needs.
For now, dfhack.init-example will be used instead.
Cannot enable plugin: mousequery
DFHack is ready. Have a nice day!
DFHack version 0.44.09-r1 (release) on x86_64
Type in '?' or 'help' for general help, 'ls' to see all commands.
[DFHack]#
I did exactly as you told me and i got this error message...
Post by: DizzyCrash on April 19, 2018, 02:48:55 am
Post by: Dahrk on April 19, 2018, 02:53:43 am
Oh now its working!
I'm pleased to hear it!
Post by: Meph on April 19, 2018, 12:24:31 pm
DizzyCrash: Opening 3 threads, posting here AND on Dffd in the comments... seems a bit overkill. Either way, good to see that you figured it out. Do you run 44.07 or 44.09?
Post by: DizzyCrash on April 19, 2018, 03:12:02 pm
KassaK: No, the launcher is pre-compiled and looks for very specific things I added manually in the raws. It's not dynamic and can't auto-detect foreign mods.To be fair it was over a span of 6 or more hours, so its not as if i made a bunch of posts at once! I was just getting impatient with the slow nature of the DF mod forums haha.
DizzyCrash: Opening 3 threads, posting here AND on Dffd in the comments... seems a bit overkill. Either way, good to see that you figured it out. Do you run 44.07 or 44.09?
Post by: Meph on April 19, 2018, 10:57:25 pm
Post by: se5a on April 19, 2018, 11:27:37 pm
Do it, I can't promise I'll get around to it, but if I get the mood, who knows. ;-)When im playing V2.4 starting as humans my nobles screen is completely blank, any way to fix it? tried 2 different world gens and its all the same.That's because vanilla DF humans have no nobles like dwarves do. I can add them, but it's a change from vanilla DF.i had your pack installed and configured just fine, then switched to linux. can i just copy the contents of your pack into the linux LNP so the gamechanges can run under linux, or will this break the game?I dont run linux, so I cant say for absolute sure, but it should work. Just take the raws, and data/art, data/init files.I can upload the vb files if you like. :)...Yes. It can run on linux with wine. Players of MasterworkDF have done this to run the mod-launcher, and it's based on the same code as the tileset-launcher I included. If you just want the tileset (without the options), you can download this (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12516) and install dfhack/twbt yourself.
What's it written in Meph?
Edit: Ah, VB. do you have the source up on github anywhere? I could have a looksee if it'll compile in monodevelop in linux.
I got this trying to run it in wine:
winforms *should* run in mono so there's a chance it'll just work in mono without too much tweaking. alternatively there are some promising cross platform .net UI libraries that are in development and are at a usable state. Eto.Forms, and AvaloniaUI are two that I'm tracking.
Post by: Llamageddon on April 21, 2018, 09:43:29 am
Post by: Meph on April 21, 2018, 11:31:49 am
Would chaning overrides and graphics break a save? I assume so but thought I would ask.the override file is in the data folder, changing it will affect all saves. It won't "break" them, but you get the changes you made on all your forts.
Graphics... what do you mean by that? The tilesets? or creature sprites?
Post by: Llamageddon on April 21, 2018, 11:57:33 am
It's been interesting inferring it all by reverse engineering how the stuff is installed and implemented though. It looks like the overrides just refer to the art folder, how do creature sprites etc get added to the game correctly, if it is not too labourious an aswer? I am probably missing something on the wiki.
I doubt I really understand things correctly. It has made me interested in editing raws or even potentially making my own tileset though.
It impressive the ammount of effort you have put into your pack, I am greatly enjoying it. Thanks for having the patience to answer my questions.
Post by: Meph on April 21, 2018, 12:57:19 pm
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It looks like the overrides just refer to the art folder... no. ^^ The override tiles are in the art folder, but they refer very specifically to files in the raws and to single, individual lines in those. Just moving a tool in ITEM_TOOL one item up would break all tool graphics. As an example.
It's possible to change creature sprites, but because DF is DF, the vermin and creature corpses don't use the files from raw/graphics, instead those take from data/art. It's a mess.
Overall I wouldn't recommend altering anything without knowing how exactly things work. I don't really have the time to explain everything atm, but the wiki and the TWBT thread are pretty interesting reads.
Creature sprites are added through the text files in raw/graphics. More info http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Graphic_set and here http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_texture_token
Post by: Llamageddon on April 21, 2018, 01:58:00 pm
Post by: LizardKing on April 22, 2018, 01:43:28 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It doesn't happen if I walk around in circles, so presumably it's when something loads. I tried changing the multilevel/unit transparency/redraw settings, along with changing the tileset and fonts, but none of those seemed to help. If I save the game and reload it, it's back to normal, but will then usually screw up again, though I tried it again just now and though it still pauses, the graphics are staying as they should (for now). Huh. Anyway, any idea what could cause this and/or how I could fix it?
Edit: I'm having the same issue with the 44.05 pack
Post by: Meph on April 22, 2018, 07:51:28 am
It all comes down to the dfhack plugin TWBT, which is not really optimized for adv-mode. A lot of the adv-mode specific graphics do not offer overrides, so tileset authors like myself can't make individual graphics for them. In fact, I personally only recommend this set for fort-mode, due to the heavy TWBT usage.
Post by: LizardKing on April 22, 2018, 08:54:47 am
redraw_all 1 should fix artefacts like that, but is prone to crashing.
It all comes down to the dfhack plugin TWBT, which is not really optimized for adv-mode. A lot of the adv-mode specific graphics do not offer overrides, so tileset authors like myself can't make individual graphics for them. In fact, I personally only recommend this set for fort-mode, due to the heavy TWBT usage.
Ah, fair enough. Guess I'll look around some more then. Thanks :)
Post by: Aelforth on April 23, 2018, 03:02:12 am
edit: image
(https://i.imgur.com/Sc0JZNf.png)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 23, 2018, 04:29:49 am
redraw_all 1 should fix artefacts like that, but is prone to crashing.ever since switching to 64 bit DF, i haven't had any such crash and i usually have redraw_all 1. well... one crash and that was after 3 ingame years without a pause.
It all comes down to the dfhack plugin TWBT, which is not really optimized for adv-mode. A lot of the adv-mode specific graphics do not offer overrides, so tileset authors like myself can't make individual graphics for them. In fact, I personally only recommend this set for fort-mode, due to the heavy TWBT usage.
Post by: Meph on April 23, 2018, 07:59:58 am
(https://i.imgur.com/vsjchlb.png)
Pvt. Pirate, that's good to know. :)
Post by: Meph on April 23, 2018, 02:12:09 pm
Post by: Aelforth on April 23, 2018, 06:21:11 pm
edit: I don't know much about overrides, but I'm planning on splitting up the entity_default file into single files per entity kind of like how MWDF does so I can better control things for an overhaul type mod. If I do that after installing the texturepack so that everything has the right tags are there any issues to watch out for? Preliminary tests seem to work just fine.
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 03:03:41 am
managed to resolve the issue. Something weird happened to the texture overlays (I think) to my downloaded copy of the 2.4 texturepack launcher.. a fresh download fixed everything right up. Love the new work Meph (albeit I do use the old stone floor textures.. I'm too ingrained in the old ways to deal with my whole fort being green until I get around to smoothing it!). Everything looks fantastic.The entity default is already split up, the very same way Masterwork does.
edit: I don't know much about overrides, but I'm planning on splitting up the entity_default file into single files per entity kind of like how MWDF does so I can better control things for an overhaul type mod. If I do that after installing the texturepack so that everything has the right tags are there any issues to watch out for? Preliminary tests seem to work just fine.
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 03:39:08 am
Post by: db48x on April 24, 2018, 04:34:20 am
managed to resolve the issue. Something weird happened to the texture overlays (I think) to my downloaded copy of the 2.4 texturepack launcher.. a fresh download fixed everything right up. Love the new work Meph (albeit I do use the old stone floor textures.. I'm too ingrained in the old ways to deal with my whole fort being green until I get around to smoothing it!). Everything looks fantastic.
I saw the same thing with chalk in a game I started on version 2.3. It went away when I downloaded 2.4, so I figured it had been fixed.
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 05:44:42 am
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 06:50:48 am
Updated to 44.09.
And since I can't just leave it alone, I had to try out a new thing, that I haven't seen any were else:
(https://i.imgur.com/2zvRmBH.png)
Smoothed and engraved walls now show the minerals/gems that are ingrained in the wall. To the very right you see the engraved version.
Microncline cluster:
(https://i.imgur.com/N5QWRgl.png)
Cool? Or too colorful?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 24, 2018, 07:31:18 am
Post by: monkeyfritz on April 24, 2018, 09:25:58 am
A middle ground might be nicer. Include the nice detailing, but still have the wall change color with the material. I expect you will get conflicting opinions on that though, for the aforementioned biases.
Post by: Rose on April 24, 2018, 09:30:26 am
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 09:54:38 am
I think it's a really cool idea, if a little busy. I feel the dark walls clash a bit, but that's from the bias of someone who likes the walls being colored based on what they are made of. I know some would rather have all walls uniform.I made several polls and most people like their fortresses to be more uniform in color. That's why all the walls default to one color, more or less.
A middle ground might be nicer. Include the nice detailing, but still have the wall change color with the material. I expect you will get conflicting opinions on that though, for the aforementioned biases.
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 10:40:51 am
(https://i.imgur.com/SmucOSN.png)
26 new decorational workshop: The Alphabet. Only takes up one spot in the workshop menu, and the hotkeys are the letters you want to write. "Build 'Writing'" => "Write 'A' - a". Pretty simple.
It uses the beautiful letters from monkeyfritz brand new Stained Glass set (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=170157.0). Check it out. :)
Post by: Vordak on April 24, 2018, 11:56:16 am
Smoothed and engraved walls now show the minerals/gems that are ingrained in the wall. To the very right you see the engraved version.I understand correctly? Now the walls will always be generally gray, but with colored veins inside.
If so, then I really like it because the fort in one style is much more pleasant for perception. But then need to do something similar with tiles of floor
Post by: Rose on April 24, 2018, 12:06:41 pm
Post by: SenorPez on April 24, 2018, 12:13:08 pm
I tested lignite and chalk. It works fine in 2.4.
I downloaded a fresh copy (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407), created a game without changing anything, and am still getting the Chalk and Lignite problem.
Also, TWBT throws an error on startup:
TWBT: invalid override specification OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246
I didn't see another option for getting just the 2.4 graphics, either; the "standalones" are all 2.3.
Post by: monkeyfritz on April 24, 2018, 12:32:36 pm
Dwarves are now literate. :D
That's a really cool addition. I've never really liked the 'notes' system as it is, this is much more adaptive.
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 12:47:16 pm
You can't possibly have the current version, if you have a "B:UNK_V42_2" line in your overrides. That one is commented out in the current version.I tested lignite and chalk. It works fine in 2.4.
I downloaded a fresh copy (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407), created a game without changing anything, and am still getting the Chalk and Lignite problem.
Also, TWBT throws an error on startup:
TWBT: invalid override specification OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246
I didn't see another option for getting just the 2.4 graphics, either; the "standalones" are all 2.3.
Anyway, I just uploaded the new stuff, so maybe give it a go. And delete any old versions you might have.
Yes, walls will mostly be gray. Only mineral, ore and gem walls will have this feature. So marble walls are still whiteish, granite light gray, gabbro dark gray... I can in theorie standardize all walls to one "gray", and just leave the color in the rock you see.Smoothed and engraved walls now show the minerals/gems that are ingrained in the wall. To the very right you see the engraved version.I understand correctly? Now the walls will always be generally gray, but with colored veins inside.
If so, then I really like it because the fort in one style is much more pleasant for perception. But then need to do something similar with tiles of floor
Lets see how people like it, and if they do like it, I can make this for all rocks.
Floors... doesn't work. For multiple reasons, Japa mentioned one; the other one is a TWBT bug with creatures using transparency on top of overrides tiles... a bit complicated. Suffice to say that I don't use overrides at all for floors, grass, bridges... anything where people can walk on.
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 12:56:59 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/xdPdUyW.png)
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack incl. Tileset V2.5 for DF 44.09 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Comes pre-installed with df, dfhack, twbt, a custom LNP, 12+ utilities like Therapist, Soundsense and more.
Update!
Thanks to a completely free day due to bad weather, I present to you the following:
- Updated to DF 44.09.
- Fixed food icons.
- Added nobles for humans, elves, kobolds and goblins. They are disabled by default and enabled automatically if you set their race to playable.
- Added all decorational buildings to humans, elves, kobolds and goblins.
- Fixed giant hoary marmot sprites and giant peregrine falcon sprites.
- Fixed wooden-door item sprite.
- Fixed plant overrides for picked-plant items. Thanks PrudentDwarves for the heads up.
- Removed the "MacroFantastic" portion of Taffers Revised mod; which also fixes the sprites for all tools.
- Updated Vordaks dwarf sprites.
- Increased cavern openess in the extra worldgen sets.
- Added 65 new creature sprites. A few missing in temperate_new, then mostly zombies.
New feature: Gems, ores and minerals show through smoothed and engraved walls.
(https://i.imgur.com/2zvRmBH.png)
New feature: Dwarves can write letters using 1-tile workshops.
(https://i.imgur.com/SmucOSN.png)
Special thanks to Monkeyfritz and his beautiful gothic/stained glass font from the Stained Glass set. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=170157.0) Check it out. :)
Post by: Vordak on April 24, 2018, 01:05:42 pm
Nevertheless I will make a proposal. Just an idea for experiments.
Yes, walls will mostly be gray. Only mineral, ore and gem walls will have this feature. So marble walls are still whiteish, granite light gray, gabbro dark gray... I can in theorie standardize all walls to one "gray", and just leave the color in the rock you see.
Lets see how people like it, and if they do like it, I can make this for all rocks.
Walls have two rims - outer rim could be left gray, and color of the inner rim change.
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 01:17:47 pm
Post by: Vordak on April 24, 2018, 01:32:18 pm
1)Tiles of remains from _MDF_trees.png do not match with tiles from _MDF_trees-bg.png
I think it would be wise to do everything as I do in Vordak`s 32x Dwarf Tileset v0.7.1 with addition of a new file _MDF_trees-top.png. I strongly advise you to remove the gray background for the remains.
2)Is it possible to obtain for tiles the bodies of dwarves, elfs, goblins and humans from Meph_32x32.png normal transparency, like for items?
Post by: funkydwarf on April 24, 2018, 03:10:55 pm
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 03:11:51 pm
About version 2.5:1. Thanks for the heads-up. Luckily it doesn't matter, since the ones in _MFD_trees.png have no transparency anyway. I'll have a look at your top/bg files. You often do great work improving things I leave in.
1)Tiles of remains from _MDF_trees.png do not match with tiles from _MDF_trees-bg.png
I think it would be wise to do everything as I do in Vordak`s 32x Dwarf Tileset v0.7.1 with addition of a new file _MDF_trees-top.png. I strongly advise you to remove the gray background for the remains.
2)Is it possible to obtain for tiles the bodies of dwarves, elfs, goblins and humans from Meph_32x32.png normal transparency, like for items?
2. Not entirely sure what you mean. You want the civ sprites without any background? If yes, you can pick them from the spoiler.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vordak on April 24, 2018, 03:46:02 pm
1. Thanks for the heads-up. Luckily it doesn't matter, since the ones in _MFD_trees.png have no transparency anyway. I'll have a look at your top/bg files. You often do great work improving things I leave in.
2. Not entirely sure what you mean. You want the civ sprites without any background? If yes, you can pick them from the spoiler.
1) How then to explain the thing that a spoiler? Transparency for remains in most cases, can be seen. Sometimes remain background is black, but it's rare.
Spoiler: remains (click to show/hide)
Below the picture with dead goblins. In left pic can be seen that goblin tiles have a background. Would like it was like the picture on the right.
Spoiler: dead goblins (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hylum on April 24, 2018, 03:46:15 pm
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 03:51:26 pm
1. OH! I did not know that. That's great!
2. Ah, I understand. I can give it a try, but DF treats corpses of civ-members in a very special way. I'm not sure if it will work for those. But thank you for the suggestion. I hope it works.
I'd love to make proper corpse-graphics for them, but the same tile is also used for live, caged goblins /dwarves/humans/elves/kobolds.
Post by: Vordak on April 24, 2018, 04:01:25 pm
Post by: SenorPez on April 24, 2018, 04:38:48 pm
You can't possibly have the current version, if you have a "B:UNK_V42_2" line in your overrides. That one is commented out in the current version.I tested lignite and chalk. It works fine in 2.4.
I downloaded a fresh copy (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407), created a game without changing anything, and am still getting the Chalk and Lignite problem.
Also, TWBT throws an error on startup:
TWBT: invalid override specification OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246
I didn't see another option for getting just the 2.4 graphics, either; the "standalones" are all 2.3.
Anyway, I just uploaded the new stuff, so maybe give it a go. And delete any old versions you might have.
I downloaded the new file (Tileset Launcher 44.09.rar), extracted it to its own folder (didn't overwrite an old folder), and I'm still getting an error on launch. I included the whole output to show it's running the latest DFHack version?
Code: [Select]
TWBT: version 6.41
TWBT: invalid override specification OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246
Unit transparency enabled
Workshop transparency enabled
Forced redraw mode disabled
DFHack is ready. Have a nice day!
DFHack version 0.44.09-r1 (release) on x86_64
Type in '?' or 'help' for general help, 'ls' to see all commands.
[DFHack]#
Am I missing something that needs to be done, setup-wise? Please help. Thanks.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 24, 2018, 04:53:22 pm
i like that approach!Nevertheless I will make a proposal. Just an idea for experiments.
Yes, walls will mostly be gray. Only mineral, ore and gem walls will have this feature. So marble walls are still whiteish, granite light gray, gabbro dark gray... I can in theorie standardize all walls to one "gray", and just leave the color in the rock you see.
Lets see how people like it, and if they do like it, I can make this for all rocks.
Walls have two rims - outer rim could be left gray, and color of the inner rim change.
Post by: gcook725 on April 24, 2018, 05:03:27 pm
You can't possibly have the current version, if you have a "B:UNK_V42_2" line in your overrides. That one is commented out in the current version.I tested lignite and chalk. It works fine in 2.4.
I downloaded a fresh copy (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407), created a game without changing anything, and am still getting the Chalk and Lignite problem.
Also, TWBT throws an error on startup:
TWBT: invalid override specification OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246
I didn't see another option for getting just the 2.4 graphics, either; the "standalones" are all 2.3.
Anyway, I just uploaded the new stuff, so maybe give it a go. And delete any old versions you might have.
I downloaded the new file (Tileset Launcher 44.09.rar), extracted it to its own folder (didn't overwrite an old folder), and I'm still getting an error on launch. I included the whole output to show it's running the latest DFHack version?Code: [Select]TWBT: version 6.41
TWBT: invalid override specification OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246
Unit transparency enabled
Workshop transparency enabled
Forced redraw mode disabled
DFHack is ready. Have a nice day!
DFHack version 0.44.09-r1 (release) on x86_64
Type in '?' or 'help' for general help, 'ls' to see all commands.
[DFHack]#
Am I missing something that needs to be done, setup-wise? Please help. Thanks.
I'm having the same problem currently, but for Gypsum and Limestone. Log looks the same.
For me, Tileset = Meph 32, Font = Spacefox, Color = defaultPlus, Print Mode = TWBT, TTF Font = Masterwork, Shadows = Small, Truetype Font = ON, Unit Sprites = ON. Default everything else except for all Additions are turned ON.
Post by: Shazbot on April 24, 2018, 05:05:05 pm
Post by: Meph on April 24, 2018, 10:29:18 pm
Post by: gcook725 on April 25, 2018, 03:56:38 am
SenorPez or gcook725: Since I can't replicate it, would either of you be so kind to pack their entire installation up and upload it for me? DFFD, Dropbox, anything is fine. I just tested again, no UNK_42 error, no problem with lignite/other rocks (except when creatures stand on top of them, but that's a TWBT bug that affects all overwritten tiles)
Link via Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rZ-0OB5JyfWEz93vyy9hQIbLxGjvdrYK (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rZ-0OB5JyfWEz93vyy9hQIbLxGjvdrYK)
So, a fresh install fixed the issue, but I still kept the one that was having an issue. Something of note that I'm not sure could be part of what caused the problem is that I did try to install Meph 24, then back to Meph 32 a few times in a few pocket worlds until I decided to stick with Meph 32.
Post by: Yinseng on April 25, 2018, 06:55:08 am
I run a Patreon for my DF projects (https://www.patreon.com/meph), mainly the MasterworkDF mod (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125638.0). If you like this set and want to see further development for it, consider supporting it there.
The last update was in December. I understand if there's technical issues you're waiting to be resolved, but I don't understand why you aren't releasing a DF version and a MWDF version of this tileset. You have one for 44.09 and one for 44.05, the latter of which doesn't seem to indicate it's immediately compatible with Masterwork without some advanced steps taken.
Wouldn't it make more sense to do tileset releases for both vanilla and Masterwork (whatever version it may be at the time) concurrently, given that's what the Patreon is primarily for?
Post by: Meph on April 25, 2018, 08:34:22 am
The main issue is that Masterwork DF is about 5 times as large as vanilla DF. Of course I could just slap this tileset on top of it, but it would lack all the new weapons, armors, tools, workshops, creatures, plants, trees, etc. This tileset is a lot of work already, and for Masterwork I would have to do thousands of sprites more.I run a Patreon for my DF projects (https://www.patreon.com/meph), mainly the MasterworkDF mod (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125638.0). If you like this set and want to see further development for it, consider supporting it there.
The last update was in December. I understand if there's technical issues you're waiting to be resolved, but I don't understand why you aren't releasing a DF version and a MWDF version of this tileset. You have one for 44.09 and one for 44.05, the latter of which doesn't seem to indicate it's immediately compatible with Masterwork without some advanced steps taken.
Wouldn't it make more sense to do tileset releases for both vanilla and Masterwork (whatever version it may be at the time) concurrently, given that's what the Patreon is primarily for?
To be honest, I'm not sure what to do with MasterworkDF. The jump from 34.11 to DF2016 was so jarring, I started the entire thing from scratch, and before it was even finished, Toady One made more large releases. I couldn't keep up with updating and bugfixing and testing for constantly changing DF and dfhack versions.
I'm quite happy with how the tileset turned out; it also enables me to reach more people than with the big mod. I often think about starting to mod again, smaller things, but I just know that it will turn into another giant project. And right now I already have one; this year I'm going to climb the highest mountain of about 50 countries and paraglide down. It takes a lot of preparation and time for that. I only managed to do the update yesterday because there were 2 days of bad weather here.
Post by: Meph on April 25, 2018, 09:40:30 am
I had a look. First think I noticed is the 850mb file... WOW, that's much larger than it should be. I had a look at the files, your override.txt is from the 16th January, so quite old. The files in raw/graphics and raw/objects are the new ones.SenorPez or gcook725: Since I can't replicate it, would either of you be so kind to pack their entire installation up and upload it for me? DFFD, Dropbox, anything is fine. I just tested again, no UNK_42 error, no problem with lignite/other rocks (except when creatures stand on top of them, but that's a TWBT bug that affects all overwritten tiles)
Link via Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rZ-0OB5JyfWEz93vyy9hQIbLxGjvdrYK (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rZ-0OB5JyfWEz93vyy9hQIbLxGjvdrYK)
So, a fresh install fixed the issue, but I still kept the one that was having an issue. Something of note that I'm not sure could be part of what caused the problem is that I did try to install Meph 24, then back to Meph 32 a few times in a few pocket worlds until I decided to stick with Meph 32.
It's really strange I could only find that one file, the overrides.txt to be severely outdated. For example the new alphabet decoration or the gem/mineral walls wouldn't work either with it. Once you replace it with the current overrides.txt, it should fix everything, even in a running fort. (if you close DF and the launcher, replace the file, then restart everything)
Post by: db48x on April 25, 2018, 10:31:03 am
This tileset is so great that I've deliberately gone 8 years without making any cabinets.
Post by: Meph on April 25, 2018, 10:40:22 am
I might also be a bit slow... my first thought when you saw your post was: "What, why? Is the cabinet sprite that bad?"
Post by: db48x on April 25, 2018, 12:02:06 pm
Oh, that's cool. Mind uploading the save/more screenshots? I never see much of the set myself, because my testforts are super short, usually just to test 1-2 individual features.
I'd be happy to!
I might also be a bit slow... my first thought when you saw your post was: "What, why? Is the cabinet sprite that bad?"
Hah, no. I just like seeing all the unique clothing sprites everywhere.
Here are some fortifications in the lower caverns. You can see that I have too many animals; they're eating all the nice floor fungus. TWBT's multilevel rendering makes these caverns look great. This is the only layer I've explored; I hit the first layer but walled it up quickly and didn't use it for much. All my monster slayers hang out in these caverns, so it's quite safe.
(http://db48x.net/temp/Gladcrafts%20cavern%20fortifications.png)
Here's where the Duke lives, and the grand dining room that hardly anyone uses. Mostly people hang out in the library.
(http://db48x.net/temp/Gladcrafts%20ducal%20residence%20and%20dining%20room.png)
One level down are my farms, with a cistern and irrigation system. I haven't actually built any wells in this cistern yet; I've got some in the second cavern layer that I still use.
(http://db48x.net/temp/Gladcrafts%20farms%20and%20cistern.png)
On the same level as the farms are the magma industries; this is the lowest level above the magma sea.
(http://db48x.net/temp/Gladcrafts%20magma%20industries%20and%20stockpiles.png)
The bedrooms and industries I showed previously are a few levels above all of this.
Then there's the keep on the surface, again taking advantage of multilevel rendering. Sorry about the mess, the Elves objected to the number of feather trees I've cut down. Hilariously, they managed to sneak all the way into the keep before being detected.
(http://db48x.net/temp/Gladcrafts%20surface%20fort%20above.png)
Here's the ground level of the fort,showing the depot and some misc storage.
(http://db48x.net/temp/Gladcrafts%20surface%20fort%20entrance.png)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 25, 2018, 02:07:11 pm
am i playing this game the wrong way?
Post by: Meph on April 25, 2018, 02:22:32 pm
seeing your forts, i get the impression, you all go for minimalism... my meeting hall is 22x22, each temple is 20x20 and every craftsroom is 9x9 or 20x20. and my entryway is so huge, it could easily be a stupid-dwarf-trick :OWell, both designs are hilariously inefficient... :P
am i playing this game the wrong way?
Nanoembark, a tiny cube-formed fortress with minimal walking distances and 2x1 rooms for the dwarves. That's my style.
(Seriously though, I'm always amazed at people that build large forts with a lot of spare room for decorations and flourish. It'S great!)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 25, 2018, 02:51:24 pm
i also haven't hit the first cavern layer yet and don't have a cistern yet.
also i doubt you will write a linux-compatible launcher.
Post by: Meph on April 25, 2018, 03:13:16 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 25, 2018, 03:21:58 pm
You are right, the launcher will stay as is. I neither know how to make it linux compatible, not are there enough players that use it to warrant the extra work. :/well, so i just copied your meph32 folder (data and raw) into the df_linux folder, overwriting the contents. but i can only launch it via the linuxLNP-Launcher, which rewinds some settings...
Post by: Meph on April 25, 2018, 03:30:16 pm
Post by: Meph on April 25, 2018, 05:30:10 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/qENu2Zy.png)
Those are just tests, but please let me know what you think of them. It only works as long as grass exists, so if you embark with "vegetation:none", it won't show. ;) It should be easy to find a desert or wasteland or badlands with "vegetation:scarce", that's enough.
I haven't touched yet: Tundra, Taiga, Savanna, Differences between temperate/tropical marsh/swamp/forest/grassland/shrubland, and the differences between broadleaf and conifer forest. For some reason DF also has a special "Mangrove Swamp", which is so rare, I'll just use the swamp for it.
Anyway... embark sites should look a lot more interesting depending on the biome. :)
Post by: gcook725 on April 25, 2018, 06:13:08 pm
I had a look. First think I noticed is the 850mb file... WOW, that's much larger than it should be. I had a look at the files, your override.txt is from the 16th January, so quite old. The files in raw/graphics and raw/objects are the new ones.SenorPez or gcook725: Since I can't replicate it, would either of you be so kind to pack their entire installation up and upload it for me? DFFD, Dropbox, anything is fine. I just tested again, no UNK_42 error, no problem with lignite/other rocks (except when creatures stand on top of them, but that's a TWBT bug that affects all overwritten tiles)
Link via Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rZ-0OB5JyfWEz93vyy9hQIbLxGjvdrYK (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rZ-0OB5JyfWEz93vyy9hQIbLxGjvdrYK)
So, a fresh install fixed the issue, but I still kept the one that was having an issue. Something of note that I'm not sure could be part of what caused the problem is that I did try to install Meph 24, then back to Meph 32 a few times in a few pocket worlds until I decided to stick with Meph 32.
It's really strange I could only find that one file, the overrides.txt to be severely outdated. For example the new alphabet decoration or the gem/mineral walls wouldn't work either with it. Once you replace it with the current overrides.txt, it should fix everything, even in a running fort. (if you close DF and the launcher, replace the file, then restart everything)
Weird. I downloaded it fresh and new, directly from the download link on the OP yesterday, the one with the launcher. I wonder why overrides.txt wasn't right? Perhaps there is an issue when changing graphicsets or something too much and an out-of-date overrides.txt got left behind on accident?
I think the extra size is because I had the soundsense default music/sound pack installed.
Post by: se5a on April 26, 2018, 01:51:03 am
You are right, the launcher will stay as is. I neither know how to make it linux compatible, not are there enough players that use it to warrant the extra work. :/
Did you stick it up on github?
Sounds like there's a couple of us, I'm willing to take a look depending on the amount of work.
Post by: Garfink on April 26, 2018, 03:25:13 am
For the record, all I did was changed some of the font options in the launcher and then booted up the game and noticed the same error as the other folks here. So it looks like a systemic problem with the launcher.
(Meph, your pack is awesome. Thanks for the updates. I can't wait till you reboot Masterwork, that would make my year.... )
Post by: Meph on April 26, 2018, 04:08:49 am
Thanks for the reports. I'll do a few minor things today and upload a fix.
Post by: gcook725 on April 26, 2018, 04:45:50 am
YES! Found it. The differently sized tileset versions have their own override files in TilesetExtras\graphics, because I was setting it up to use different tileset versions like Vordaks (which might need their own override files). All I had to do was update the overrides.txt in there.
Thanks for the reports. I'll do a few minor things today and upload a fix.
Victory! Good work!
Post by: Meph on April 26, 2018, 05:55:50 am
Sadly I can't make proper corpse-sprites for them, because the same graphic is also used for civ-members in build cages; overrides do not work for civ-member corpses either, so they will have to keep the style they have right now. :/
Post by: Meph on April 26, 2018, 11:47:42 am
(https://i.imgur.com/xdPdUyW.png)
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack incl. Tileset V2.6 for DF 44.09 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Comes pre-installed with df, dfhack, twbt, a custom LNP, 12+ utilities like Therapist, Soundsense and more.
(https://i.imgur.com/CvjElih.png)
UPDATE!
- Fixed the launcher from applying an older override file when changing tileset size/tileset font.
- Added unique designs for following biomes: Desert, Badlands, Rocky Wasteland, Mountain, Swamp, Marsh, Scrubland, Tundra, Taiga, Tropical Dry Forest, Tropical Moist Forest, Savanna.
- Added unique sprites for conifers.
- Added transparency to corpses and remains. Thanks Vordak!
- Improved a few workshop tiles. Again, thank you Vordak.
Credits: Badland sprites from Blizzards Warcraft II, a few terrain tiles from Minecraft sets by Derivation_5 and ArestiansDawn. Most I made myself.
Here the new biome styles:
Spoiler: Badlands (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Broadleaf forest (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Conifer forest (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Moist tropical forest (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Dry tropical forest (bamboo) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Desert (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Grassland (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Glacier (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Savanna (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Mountain (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Tundra (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Marsh (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Swamp (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Ocean (with driftwood) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Rocky wasteland (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Taiga (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Shrubland (click to show/hide)
I'd be very happy about playtesting and screenshots. I hope they all work as intended and make embarks more unique and atmospheric. :)
PS: Now I thought about making a unique sprite for each inorganic. That's 100 for the soil/rock/minerals and another 125 for the gems. Question is: Would anyone even want that, is it useful or rather confusing?
Post by: db48x on April 26, 2018, 04:13:26 pm
PS: Now I thought about making a unique sprite for each inorganic. That's 100 for the soil/rock/minerals and another 125 for the gems. Question is: Would anyone even want that, is it useful or rather confusing?
Interesting idea. Isn't the shape rather important to recognize that it's a boulder, with the color (and texture) to tell you about the material? I'm curious to see what you would come up with, at any rate.
BTW, the file "Ledgend - Color Schemes.png" mentions a "Meph" color scheme, but it's not listed in the launcher. I've always just left it set to "defaultPlus", and checked the "Seasonal Colors" and "Real Colors" options. How do these options interact, and how do they correspond to the legend?
Post by: Meph on April 26, 2018, 04:49:24 pm
I meant the walls/terrain, not the items you get. Those are already split into unique sprites for rock, flux, coal (fuel), obsidian (sharp), ore, gem and chalk/gypsum (cask powder).PS: Now I thought about making a unique sprite for each inorganic. That's 100 for the soil/rock/minerals and another 125 for the gems. Question is: Would anyone even want that, is it useful or rather confusing?
Interesting idea. Isn't the shape rather important to recognize that it's a boulder, with the color (and texture) to tell you about the material? I'm curious to see what you would come up with, at any rate.
BTW, the file "Ledgend - Color Schemes.png" mentions a "Meph" color scheme, but it's not listed in the launcher. I've always just left it set to "defaultPlus", and checked the "Seasonal Colors" and "Real Colors" options. How do these options interact, and how do they correspond to the legend?
The seasonal colors overwrite the other color sets, if you pick them you automatically get the "meph" color set. Its a bit complicated, especially since I can't even tell how real-colors would affect all this, since it triggers script that I didnt write. ^^
Post by: Dahrk on April 27, 2018, 01:54:49 am
PS: Now I thought about making a unique sprite for each inorganic. That's 100 for the soil/rock/minerals and another 125 for the gems. Question is: Would anyone even want that, is it useful or rather confusing?
I personally wouldn't use it, as the colours are sufficient and it'd mean many more sprites to decipher. The current sprites for stones, ores, clay etc look good and even help with gameplay.
I'm delighted by the visual diversity and atmosphere of this release! The biome styles will make farming on multi-biome embarks less confusing too.
Post by: Hylum on April 27, 2018, 01:57:12 pm
PS: Now I thought about making a unique sprite for each inorganic. That's 100 for the soil/rock/minerals and another 125 for the gems. Question is: Would anyone even want that, is it useful or rather confusing?
I personally wouldn't use it, as the colours are sufficient and it'd mean many more sprites to decipher. The current sprites for stones, ores, clay etc look good and even help with gameplay.
I'm delighted by the visual diversity and atmosphere of this release! The biome styles will make farming on multi-biome embarks less confusing too.
I Agree, its great the way it is. It could become a little overwhelming with different spits for each stone/gem type.
Post by: Garfink on April 27, 2018, 03:03:32 pm
More is the point: Meph is on inspirational fire at the moment, I don't want the momentum to curb.
Post by: Meph on April 27, 2018, 03:19:21 pm
I did a few animal men profession sprites for fun, 32 in total, for the adventurers or visitors. They are: Melee unit, Ranged unit, Scholar, Entertainer.
Stoat men; Lynx men; Penguin men; Peregrine Falcon men; Kiwi men; Ostrich men; Narwhal men and Platypus men.
(https://i.imgur.com/AnFPwE9.png)
Post by: Vordak on April 27, 2018, 03:51:24 pm
_MDF_trees.png:
in _MDF_trees.png all remain tiles shifted to 1 pixel to up regarding such tiles in -top\bg. - mistake in main png.
Meph_32x32.png:
in Meph_32x32.png tile of remain (tile #253) shifted to 1 pixel to left regarding such tiles in -top\bg. - mistake in main png.
2. Question about overrides.txt
Spoiler: lines 2760-2775 (click to show/hide)
How can different tiles have one and the same Tile Types?
It seems like it should not and now the code is used, which is lower in the line.
3. Where I can read about what Tile Types applies to each biome?
4. Thank you very much for describing what changes you made in .png files.
Post by: Meph on April 27, 2018, 03:57:15 pm
1. Thanks!
2. These are the 4 floor tiles, and I don't know which floor is which. So I added each floor for each possible tile number, 4x4. Only 4 of the 16 entries are used, you are absolutely correct. I do the same sometimes for the walls corners, because there are 3 versions and I never know which ingame tile is which tiletype. If I wanted to be super correct, I'd only make 4 entries for the floors.
3. Tile types have nothing to do with the biomes. I didn't even use overrides for biomes. I simply used grass. Everything you need is in plant_grasses.txt and meph_32x32.png. That's it. No magic trickery this time.
PS: 4. How can I make it easier for you to update/help? Anything I can do?
Post by: Meph on April 27, 2018, 03:58:10 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/GIRGEZ2.png)
Post by: waterphage13 on April 27, 2018, 04:13:25 pm
[/spoiler]Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Broadleaf forest (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Conifer forest (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Moist tropical forest (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Dry tropical forest (bamboo) (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Desert (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Grassland (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Glacier (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Savanna (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Mountain (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Tundra (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Marsh (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Swamp (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Ocean (with driftwood) (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Rocky wasteland (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Taiga (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Shrubland (click to show/hide)
I'd be very happy about playtesting and screenshots. I hope they all work as intended and make embarks more unique and atmospheric. :)
PS: Now I thought about making a unique sprite for each inorganic. That's 100 for the soil/rock/minerals and another 125 for the gems. Question is: Would anyone even want that, is it useful or rather confusing?
Next turn is colored trees?
Post by: Vordak on April 27, 2018, 04:18:04 pm
PS: 4. How can I make it easier for you to update/help? Anything I can do?
I made an almost semi-automatic update process by using layers in Photoshop. Just a brief reference in which file there were changes without specifying individual tiles.
Post by: RadGH on April 27, 2018, 11:32:39 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Toxica on April 28, 2018, 03:46:36 am
Post by: Meph on April 28, 2018, 07:24:37 am
Toxica: I've seen that behaviour a few TWBT versions ago, I hoped that mifki (the author of the plugin) fixed that. You can try to set "twbt redraw_all 0" either in the launcher, dfhack.init or the dfhack command window, that should fix it.
Post by: Toxica on April 28, 2018, 10:08:58 am
Post by: RadGH on April 28, 2018, 03:22:14 pm
Post by: Meph on April 28, 2018, 03:25:10 pm
Thanks Meph, that fixed it.Yeah!
Sadly "twbt redraw_all 0" did not fix it. Ether if I set it in the launcher to 0 or if I type it in dfhack command window.Damn!
Sadly the crashes are nothing I can affect; the workshops are really just 1-tile buildings that shouldn't cause any issues at all, except that they use building-subtype change and twbt overrides, aka scripts/plugins by other authors. I just added sprites/graphics.
Edit: Worked the evening on creature sprites, added another 50 or so. Mostly ones that had sprites, but not very good ones... and those that haven't been updated since transparency is possible with twbt.
Post by: Rices on April 29, 2018, 08:17:07 pm
it lacked a few entries in the \Dwarf Fortress\data\init\interface.txt
Code: [Select]
[BIND:CIV_RAID:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:r]
[BIND:CIV_CENTER_ON_FORT:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:y]
[BIND:CIV_REMOVE_MISSION:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:x]
[BIND:CIV_RESCUE:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:r]
[BIND:CIV_RECOVER:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:r]
[BIND:CIV_WORLD:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:w]
[BIND:CIV_MISSIONS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:m]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_DETAILS:REPEAT_NOT]
[SYM:0:d]
[BIND:CIV_NEWS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:n]
[BIND:CIV_PEOPLE:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:p]
[BIND:CIV_ARTIFACTS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:a]
[BIND:CIV_CIVS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:c]compared to (probably) the full list of aviable keybinds for the "Civ_" keybinds.Code: [Select]
[BIND:CIV_RAID:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:r]
[BIND:CIV_CENTER_ON_FORT:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:y]
[BIND:CIV_REMOVE_MISSION:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:x]
[BIND:CIV_RESCUE:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:r]
[BIND:CIV_RECOVER:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:r]
[BIND:CIV_WORLD:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:w]
[BIND:CIV_MISSIONS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:m]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_DETAILS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:d]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_FREE_CAPTIVES:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:f]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_RELEASE_OTHERS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:o]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_TAKE_ARTIFACTS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:A]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_TAKE_ITEMS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:i]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_TAKE_LIVESTOCK:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:l]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_RAID:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:r]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_PILLAGE:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:g]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_RAZE:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:x]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_TRIBUTE_ONE_TIME:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:t]
[BIND:CIV_MISSION_TRIBUTE_ONGOING:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:T]
[BIND:CIV_NEWS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:n]
[BIND:CIV_PEOPLE:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:p]
[BIND:CIV_ARTIFACTS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:a]
[BIND:CIV_CIVS:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:c]Post by: RadGH on April 29, 2018, 10:24:54 pm
Before
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
After
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Zip of replacements in data/art if interested: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/elasticbeanstalk-us-west-2-868470985522/ShareX/2018/04/Meph%20custom%20walls%20and%20stone%20door-png.zip
It is more boring, but I prefer it that way :)
Post by: Vordak on April 30, 2018, 04:06:54 am
Thanks for screenshots. I also thought about unifying the walls. Below you can see my draft (from thread page #19). In my version of the set I will try and do it, also I will make so that the external perimeter of walls was always the same gray color.
Spoiler: Example walls (click to show/hide)
p.s.2 you could not share your save?
Post by: Meph on April 30, 2018, 07:00:22 am
My line of thought was using two very different styles, to give a more distinct change between surface forts (castles) and dug fortresses underground... but seeing both flow together, I might rethink my idea.
Post by: Meph on April 30, 2018, 02:14:33 pm
I worked on creatures in the meantime, improved around 50 sprites, added transparent background, larger giant version and the like. Maybe I can do an update in 1-2 days with those and the new walls.
Post by: RadGH on April 30, 2018, 04:36:41 pm
Here is my current save, F5 to go where I took the screenshot (not an exact position): https://radleysustaire.com/s3/g4ksz
I also forgot to attach Meph_32x32.png which has the edited stone door, updated files here (still with my own edits/glitches): https://radleysustaire.com/s3/cq2xn
Meph, nice catch. I had a feeling you would notice some errors. I have no clue what I'm doing! Anyway go ahead and incorporate any of the ideas to the pack, I would love that! My edits were just patched together roughly in Photoshop, so you'll probably want to make your own version because I'm sure you'll do a better job!
Post by: db48x on May 01, 2018, 03:41:37 am
I meant the walls/terrain, not the items you get. Those are already split into unique sprites for rock, flux, coal (fuel), obsidian (sharp), ore, gem and chalk/gypsum (cask powder).PS: Now I thought about making a unique sprite for each inorganic. That's 100 for the soil/rock/minerals and another 125 for the gems. Question is: Would anyone even want that, is it useful or rather confusing?
Interesting idea. Isn't the shape rather important to recognize that it's a boulder, with the color (and texture) to tell you about the material? I'm curious to see what you would come up with, at any rate.
Oooh, I think I see what you're saying. It would be cool for rough walls to be a fancy sprite rather than a plain character.
On a similar note, I've been struggling against a double-layer aquifer in the middle of winter (and not winning), and it occurs to me that it would be awesome to see the corpses that are now encased in ice as actual corpse sprites behind a partially-transparent terrain sprite. Is there any chance that's possible?
Post by: Vordak on May 01, 2018, 07:53:32 am
Spoiler: constructed walls (click to show/hide)
P.s. Experiments with wall rims.
Spoiler: wall rims (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hylum on May 01, 2018, 12:37:03 pm
I really like the unified carved and constructed walls it looks really clean! I like how you can still differentiate the two as well.
Post by: Meph on May 01, 2018, 01:17:44 pm
dfb48x: In theory TWBT has the item ID "ANY_ENCASED", but no one has ever used it. Not sure if it's actually possible. I need a save with encased corpses/items. Can you upload it and let me know exactly where the corpses/encased dwarves are?
Vordak: You were faster than me. :D Those look great. You use the grey top file, but leave the inside colored by build materials, which is something I wanted to try out after I did the gem/mineral walls. Have you done that for all walls, or only constructed walls? Either way, I probably will want to straight up copy+paste that into the main tileset. It's a huge improvement.
On your "Experiments with wall rims." screenshot I liked to top-left version best.
Hylum: I tried that first, I thought it looked too busy, so I restricted it to only the 4 center tiles.
Post by: waterphage13 on May 01, 2018, 04:25:02 pm
P.S.:
In a fact, I want to sliamzit' your tree raws, sorry. You know more about TWBT than me.
Post by: Meph on May 01, 2018, 11:20:32 pm
Post by: jecowa on May 01, 2018, 11:40:47 pm
Post by: Dahrk on May 02, 2018, 02:06:26 am
P.s. Experiments with wall rims.Spoiler: wall rims (click to show/hide)
I really like the wall rims design, especially the top right!
Meph, just to update you on using your tileset in adventure mode: I've been playing a succession of adventures without a single crash, and it looks great! I moved over to a computer with more ram and, while the twbt glitches still occur occasionally, I've had no crashes. I enjoy exploring my fortress worlds in adventure mode occasionally, so this option makes me like this tileset even more.
A quick question, do you know whether using item token names instead of numbers is officially supported in twbt yet? I tend to mod my game quite heavily, adding small details like training versions of all weapons, civilian tool versions for all weapons (pitchforks, hatchets etc.), and using [ADJECTIVE:adjective] to add flavourful weapons to non-human entities like "Dwarven steel axe" or "Goblin iron cleaver". At the moment, this obviously throws off the numbered item overrides. The more I mod DF, the more I realise just how much time you spent on Masterwork!
Post by: Rose on May 02, 2018, 02:19:04 am
A quick question, do you know whether using item token names instead of numbers is officially supported in twbt yet? I tend to mod my game quite heavily, adding small details like training versions of all weapons, civilian tool versions for all weapons (pitchforks, hatchets etc.), and using ADJ to add flavourful weapons to non-human entities like "Dwarven steel axe" or "Goblin iron cleaver". At the moment, this obviously throws off the numbered item overrides. The more I more, the more I realise just how much time you spent on Masterwork!
It's been merged into the main TWBT branch, but there hasn't been any public builds of it that I know of.
Post by: Dahrk on May 02, 2018, 02:42:55 am
It's been merged into the main TWBT branch, but there hasn't been any public builds of it that I know of.
Thanks Japa, both for the info and for adding item token support in the first place! It's a big deal for those of us who like playing with modded weapons!
Post by: waterphage13 on May 02, 2018, 03:48:03 am
waterphage13: I don't know what you mean with colored trees. They already have color. I also don't know what sliamzit means, when I google it I get a couple of Russian pages...
If you have not noticed, the bark of the vast majority of trees does not look brown, like their wood. I tried to give them the colors that I saw in the pictures from Google, but it turned out slightly crappy. Since this is a basic material, it can have only one color value. I has used realcolors to get more colors with a negative value and made a palette of fifty values, but it was not enough. I hope you will deal with this matter, and I will be able to steal your work again (thank you in advance). I can give a color palette and raw files of trees.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TDcv9mL6rMyeyZW5FpNJajgGFP9V73sZ/view?usp=sharing
sliamzit'=слямзить=украсть=steal.
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 08:16:40 am
Post by: Vordak on May 02, 2018, 09:36:49 am
Post by: Rose on May 02, 2018, 09:37:08 am
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 09:54:19 am
By the way, I notify you, I'm now drawing graphics for fortress defense mod - 3 out of 10 creatures have already painted for today.Oh, great. Do you do base models, or different military sprites?
Japa, how would I go about copying those from stonesense/armok vision? I don't have that many options to parse color data into raws.
Whoever wanted iced-sprites: I have good and bad news.
The good: It works.
(https://i.imgur.com/vsALcWh.png)
The bad: It's not very smart. The screenshot shows 4 examples: Dead dwarf, dead goblin, a sword and a boulder. Sadly I couldn't make subtypes register, so all weapons will get one "frozen weapon" sprite, regardless of them being a sword, a bow or an axe. The same for creatures: Iced dwarf, iced goblin or iced cat will look the same... ANY_ENCASED:CORPSE. To make it even worse: You notice that the screenshot shows 1 boulder and 3 iced swords. That's because the dwarf and goblin were carrying weapons, and TWBT only displays one possible sprite. For arcane reasons the weapon wins over the corpse, so instead of a iced-corpse it shows the iced-weapons, because the corpse has a weapon equipped. :/
Post by: Rose on May 02, 2018, 09:56:34 am
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 10:19:42 am
(https://i.imgur.com/GfedNhu.png)
I'll ask him about porting the color changes.
Post by: Vordak on May 02, 2018, 10:21:30 am
Oh, great. Do you do base models, or different military sprites?For each creature - 24 sprites with weapons, in addition +1 tile for [ANIMATED].
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 10:24:07 am
I've ported the wall changes you send me, thanks for that. I'll now do a few "encased in ice" sprites, and see if Dragonmaster answers about the colors.
Post by: waterphage13 on May 02, 2018, 10:39:12 am
I guess it's not really important, since Dragonmaster clearly has figured that one out.Thanks but his raw's colors a little obsolete. But I have modern palette!
(https://i.imgur.com/GfedNhu.png)
I'll ask him about porting the color changes.
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 10:41:26 am
Post by: Rose on May 02, 2018, 11:22:01 am
Bonus points if they have the overrides already provided.
Overrides should be in the format:
[OVERRIDE:Tile:T:Type:Tileset:NewTile:NewFg:NewBg:MaterialFlag]
where MaterialFlag can by any found in this list:
https://github.com/DFHack/df-structures/blob/master/df.materials.xml#L80
That said, interesting ones are:
WOOD, IS_METAL, IS_GLASS, IS_STONE
Post by: jecowa on May 02, 2018, 11:25:52 am
I guess it's not really important, since Dragonmaster clearly has figured that one out.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'll ask him about porting the color changes.
Are these the colors from your pack or from DragonMaster's pack?
Post by: waterphage13 on May 02, 2018, 11:37:10 am
I think you have to be a bit more detailed than that. Why are those obsolete? The raws for the trees didn't change, and as far as I know, he was quite thorough and tried to be as exact as possible with the colors.Some colors in some case don't look as they must look. Blue and green trees are everywhere!
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 02, 2018, 11:40:15 am
yes, i've never seen a blue plumtree in my life.I think you have to be a bit more detailed than that. Why are those obsolete? The raws for the trees didn't change, and as far as I know, he was quite thorough and tried to be as exact as possible with the colors.Some colors in some case don't look as they must look. Blue and green trees are everywhere!
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 12:23:52 pm
the new "_MDF_decorations_3.png" for data/art. drag & drop & replace old one.
(https://i.imgur.com/zHwdVVg.png)
the new lines for the override.txt in data/init. Add at the bottom.
Code: [Select]
##################################################################################
#different wall tiles for wood
OVERRIDE:43:T:ConstructedFloor:_MDF_overrides_6:221
OVERRIDE:206:T:ConstructedFortification:_MDF_overrides_6:184
OVERRIDE:62:T:ConstructedStairD:_MDF_overrides_6:186
OVERRIDE:60:T:ConstructedStairU:_MDF_overrides_6:187
OVERRIDE:88:T:ConstructedStairUD:_MDF_overrides_6:185
[OVERRIDE:199:T:ConstructedPillar:_MDF_overrides_6:126:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:186:T:ConstructedWallUD:_MDF_overrides_6:123:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:205:T:ConstructedWallLR:_MDF_overrides_6:142:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:202:T:ConstructedWallLRU:_MDF_overrides_6:139:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:203:T:ConstructedWallLRD:_MDF_overrides_6:140:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:185:T:ConstructedWallLUD:_MDF_overrides_6:122:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:204:T:ConstructedWallRUD:_MDF_overrides_6:141:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:206:T:ConstructedWallLRUD:_MDF_overrides_6:143:::WOOD]
##################################################################################
#different wall tiles for metal
OVERRIDE:43:T:ConstructedFloor:_MDF_overrides_6:221
OVERRIDE:206:T:ConstructedFortification:_MDF_overrides_6:184
OVERRIDE:62:T:ConstructedStairD:_MDF_overrides_6:186
OVERRIDE:60:T:ConstructedStairU:_MDF_overrides_6:187
OVERRIDE:88:T:ConstructedStairUD:_MDF_overrides_6:185
[OVERRIDE:199:T:ConstructedPillar:_MDF_overrides_6:158:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:186:T:ConstructedWallUD:_MDF_overrides_6:155:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:205:T:ConstructedWallLR:_MDF_overrides_6:174:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:202:T:ConstructedWallLRU:_MDF_overrides_6:171:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:203:T:ConstructedWallLRD:_MDF_overrides_6:172:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:185:T:ConstructedWallLUD:_MDF_overrides_6:154:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:204:T:ConstructedWallRUD:_MDF_overrides_6:173:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:206:T:ConstructedWallLRUD:_MDF_overrides_6:175:::IS_METAL]EDIT: The override.txt also has overrides for all normal walls without material mentioned, not sure if they clash with the new system. Just CTRL+F for "#different wall tiles" to find the entries. Maybe you can delete them for testing.
waterphage13 & Pvt. Pirate: True, some look a bit weird ingame, but it depends heavily on the color scheme you install.
jecowa: They are dragonmasters set; but I ported a few of them (10 or so) once to have a look.
EDIT: OH. I can do subtypes for encased-in-ice items. mh. That's good news on the one hand, but it also means that I'd have to add several hundred sprites just for that. ^^
Post by: Rose on May 02, 2018, 12:27:09 pm
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 12:48:39 pm
I don't know if it'll be at all useful, but I'm allowing a comma separated list of flags, and the override will apply when all of them are applied.Not 100% sure what that will result in, but I'm curious. I just hope that the mockup helps you test everything.
I hope you are aware that I'll start asking you more and more ridiculous things for TWBT if that works... ;) I've been waiting for ages for caste-specific sprites for example. ^^
Post by: Rose on May 02, 2018, 12:53:16 pm
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 12:57:57 pm
Anyway, the encasing-in-ice is done:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZyNv9lm.png)
I can also do one for obsidian I think.
Post by: Rose on May 02, 2018, 01:06:50 pm
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 01:15:11 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Ck0I9vB.png)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 02, 2018, 02:23:59 pm
Japa: This is just a mock-up, but here you go:awesome work there...
the new "_MDF_decorations_3.png" for data/art. drag & drop & replace old one.
(https://i.imgur.com/zHwdVVg.png)
the new lines for the override.txt in data/init. Add at the bottom.Code: [Select]##################################################################################
#different wall tiles for wood
OVERRIDE:43:T:ConstructedFloor:_MDF_overrides_6:221
OVERRIDE:206:T:ConstructedFortification:_MDF_overrides_6:184
OVERRIDE:62:T:ConstructedStairD:_MDF_overrides_6:186
OVERRIDE:60:T:ConstructedStairU:_MDF_overrides_6:187
OVERRIDE:88:T:ConstructedStairUD:_MDF_overrides_6:185
[OVERRIDE:199:T:ConstructedPillar:_MDF_overrides_6:126:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:186:T:ConstructedWallUD:_MDF_overrides_6:123:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:205:T:ConstructedWallLR:_MDF_overrides_6:142:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:127:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:125:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:138:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:124:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:202:T:ConstructedWallLRU:_MDF_overrides_6:139:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:203:T:ConstructedWallLRD:_MDF_overrides_6:140:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:185:T:ConstructedWallLUD:_MDF_overrides_6:122:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:204:T:ConstructedWallRUD:_MDF_overrides_6:141:::WOOD]
[OVERRIDE:206:T:ConstructedWallLRUD:_MDF_overrides_6:143:::WOOD]
##################################################################################
#different wall tiles for metal
OVERRIDE:43:T:ConstructedFloor:_MDF_overrides_6:221
OVERRIDE:206:T:ConstructedFortification:_MDF_overrides_6:184
OVERRIDE:62:T:ConstructedStairD:_MDF_overrides_6:186
OVERRIDE:60:T:ConstructedStairU:_MDF_overrides_6:187
OVERRIDE:88:T:ConstructedStairUD:_MDF_overrides_6:185
[OVERRIDE:199:T:ConstructedPillar:_MDF_overrides_6:158:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:186:T:ConstructedWallUD:_MDF_overrides_6:155:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:205:T:ConstructedWallLR:_MDF_overrides_6:174:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallRU2:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:211:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:212:T:ConstructedWallR2U:_MDF_overrides_6:159:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallLU:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallLU2:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:188:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:189:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:190:T:ConstructedWallL2U:_MDF_overrides_6:157:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallRD:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallRD2:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:213:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:214:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:201:T:ConstructedWallR2D:_MDF_overrides_6:170:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallLD:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallLD2:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:183:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:184:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:187:T:ConstructedWallL2D:_MDF_overrides_6:156:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:202:T:ConstructedWallLRU:_MDF_overrides_6:171:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:203:T:ConstructedWallLRD:_MDF_overrides_6:172:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:185:T:ConstructedWallLUD:_MDF_overrides_6:154:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:204:T:ConstructedWallRUD:_MDF_overrides_6:173:::IS_METAL]
[OVERRIDE:206:T:ConstructedWallLRUD:_MDF_overrides_6:175:::IS_METAL]
EDIT: The override.txt also has overrides for all normal walls without material mentioned, not sure if they clash with the new system. Just CTRL+F for "#different wall tiles" to find the entries. Maybe you can delete them for testing.
waterphage13 & Pvt. Pirate: True, some look a bit weird ingame, but it depends heavily on the color scheme you install.
jecowa: They are dragonmasters set; but I ported a few of them (10 or so) once to have a look.
EDIT: OH. I can do subtypes for encased-in-ice items. mh. That's good news on the one hand, but it also means that I'd have to add several hundred sprites just for that. ^^
for my deuteranomaly i need a high colour contrast so i use the standard++ or whatever it was called.
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 04:22:08 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/xdPdUyW.png)
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack incl. Tileset V2.7 for DF 44.09 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Comes pre-installed with df, dfhack, twbt, a custom LNP, 12+ utilities like Therapist, Soundsense and more.
UPDATE!
New features:
- Tree/Wood colors.
- Objects "Encased in ice"; 75 sprites.
- Object "Encased in obsidian"; 75 sprites.
- New constructed walls.
- New status-indicator: Hot! walls (near magma).
- New sprite for raw adamantine walls and ore.
- New sprite for stone doors.
- Added ~100 new creature sprites (mostly improvements and zombie/giant versions).
Spoiler: Walls (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Tree colors (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Adamantine and hot icon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Encased in ice (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Encased in obsidian (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Creatures (click to show/hide)
A super special thanks to Vordak, who continues to be a huge help. :)
Post by: waterphage13 on May 02, 2018, 04:43:08 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Tree colors (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Adamantine and hot icon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Encased in ice (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Encased in obsidian (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Creatures (click to show/hide)
A super special thanks to Vordak, who continues to be a huge help. :)
WOW, how did you make this work so fast? It's took me a month. You sold your souls to Devil?
Post by: waterphage13 on May 02, 2018, 04:58:45 pm
Post by: jecowa on May 02, 2018, 05:05:46 pm
Is encased in ice/obsidian a new TWBT feature? I'm guessing these are the results of fortresses becoming flooded with water and then frozen or flooded with lava and then cooled.
:'( I can't slyamzit' your colors because you are not using realcolors. But you can't slyamzit' my colors in this case. My life is crap, hello new month of remastering, my old friend.
Are you using the realcolors.lua script in your graphics pack? From the ≥100 values for tree colors added in v2.7, it looks like Meph is using the extended color range provided by TWBT.
Post by: waterphage13 on May 02, 2018, 05:26:54 pm
Post by: Vordak on May 02, 2018, 06:05:48 pm
Spoiler: Ferric elves (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on May 02, 2018, 11:25:18 pm
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WOW, how did you make this work so fast? It's took me a month. You sold your souls to Devil?How should Mephistopheles sell his soul to himself? That makes no sense. :P
jecowa: Yes, there are more tree colors now, although I left the leaves mostly alone for now.
TWBT always had the ANY_ENCASED item-id thing, just no one so far has ever used it. It's only been mentioned in the forum twice: Once because DragondePlatino quoted the entire list of tags once, and now by me. :D I was surprised that it worked as well. One single tag overlooked, BAM!, 150 new sprites.
I'm using Dragonmasters colors. I'll see how the feedback is and tweak it a bit, if weird things appear.
For fuze - ferric elves from Fortress defense mod(FD). At the moment 7 of 19 FD creatures are drawn.As always: These look great. I might have to take up your name up in the title at some point, if you keep adding more and more. ;)Spoiler: Ferric elves (click to show/hide)
Post by: waterphage13 on May 02, 2018, 11:33:26 pm
waterphage13: No realcolors... ^^ They muck up too much, I don't really use them. How did you even get the idea of using color values under 0?By the method of scientific poking.QuoteWOW, how did you make this work so fast? It's took me a month. You sold your souls to Devil?How should Mephistopheles sell his soul to himself? That makes no sense. :P
Post by: Hommit on May 03, 2018, 05:58:30 am
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That's because the dwarf and goblin were carrying weapons, and TWBT only displays one possible sprite. For arcane reasons the weapon wins over the corpse, so instead of a iced-corpse it shows the iced-weapons, because the corpse has a weapon equipped. :/All the more reason to do multi-tile render eh? ::)
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Spoiler: Tree colors (click to show/hide)Hmm, is it ok for some trees to have heavy "pixel noise"?
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Spoiler: Encased in obsidian (click to show/hide)"red hot" wood.... ooook :D
Post by: Rose on May 03, 2018, 06:25:51 am
Here is a test plugin. (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13723)
Try it out, and let me know if it crashes or anything.
Overrides that set material flags MUST be listed before overrides that don't, in the overrides.txt
For extra info, the material flag used for water is EVAPORATES. Use that for constructed ice walls.
This also has the ability to add overrides by item token, rather than simply item number.
Post by: Meph on May 03, 2018, 09:05:52 am
I'm super stoked. Thanks so much. For YEARS I wanted wooden palisades/fences.
For reference, if other people want to test stuff, the material_flags are:
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BONE
MEAT
EDIBLE_VERMIN
EDIBLE_RAW
EDIBLE_COOKED
ALCOHOL
ITEMS_METAL
ITEMS_BARRED
ITEMS_SCALED
ITEMS_LEATHER
ITEMS_SOFT
ITEMS_HARD
IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL
ALCOHOL_PLANT
ALCOHOL_CREATURE
CHEESE_PLANT
CHEESE_CREATURE
POWDER_MISC_PLANT
POWDER_MISC_CREATURE
STOCKPILE_GLOB
LIQUID_MISC_PLANT
LIQUID_MISC_CREATURE
LIQUID_MISC_OTHER
WOOD
THREAD_PLANT
TOOTH
HORN
PEARL
SHELL
LEATHER
SILK
SOAP
ROTS
IS_DYE
POWDER_MISC
LIQUID_MISC
STRUCTURAL_PLANT_MAT
SEED_MAT
LEAF_MAT
CHEESE
ENTERS_BLOOD
BLOOD_MAP_DESCRIPTOR
ICHOR_MAP_DESCRIPTOR
GOO_MAP_DESCRIPTOR
SLIME_MAP_DESCRIPTOR
PUS_MAP_DESCRIPTOR
GENERATES_MIASMA
IS_METAL
IS_GEM
IS_GLASS
CRYSTAL_GLASSABLE
ITEMS_WEAPON
ITEMS_WEAPON_RANGED
ITEMS_ANVIL
ITEMS_AMMO
ITEMS_DIGGER
ITEMS_ARMOR
ITEMS_DELICATE
ITEMS_SIEGE_ENGINE
ITEMS_QUERN
IS_STONE
UNDIGGABLE
YARN
STOCKPILE_GLOB_PASTE
STOCKPILE_GLOB_PRESSED
DISPLAY_UNGLAZED
DO_NOT_CLEAN_GLOB
NO_STONE_STOCKPILE
STOCKPILE_THREAD_METAL
SWEAT_MAP_DESCRIPTOR
TEARS_MAP_DESCRIPTOR
SPIT_MAP_DESCRIPTOR
EVAPORATESEdit: Just because I'm greedy: Any chance to teach it INORGANIC:GOLD or INORGANIC:SILVER, etc? Like material token from the raws, as they are used in reactions?
Post by: Meph on May 03, 2018, 09:10:11 am
QuoteThat's because the dwarf and goblin were carrying weapons, and TWBT only displays one possible sprite. For arcane reasons the weapon wins over the corpse, so instead of a iced-corpse it shows the iced-weapons, because the corpse has a weapon equipped. :/All the more reason to do multi-tile render eh? ::)
Yes please ;)QuoteSpoiler: Tree colors (click to show/hide)Hmm, is it ok for some trees to have heavy "pixel noise"?
What exactly do you mean? If you mean the tiny spots on some trees that repeat themselves, those are pollen seeds or catkins.QuoteSpoiler: Encased in obsidian (click to show/hide)"red hot" wood.... ooook :DSpoiler: Sure (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hylum on May 03, 2018, 12:24:08 pm
Post by: jecowa on May 03, 2018, 12:30:38 pm
Post by: Rose on May 03, 2018, 12:31:41 pm
Post by: Rose on May 03, 2018, 12:57:32 pm
Fixed the crash, I hope.
also, I don't know how you managed to build walls from logs that aren't wood, but the tag for those is STRUCTURAL_PLANT_MAT
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 03, 2018, 01:16:07 pm
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13723stone blocks decorated with wood?
Fixed the crash, I hope.
also, I don't know how you managed to build walls from logs that aren't wood, but the tag for those is STRUCTURAL_PLANT_MAT
Post by: Meph on May 03, 2018, 01:25:59 pm
I tested the new version, still crashes on my end. :(
But I made some nicer wood-wall sprites, based on the initial sprites by Hyptosis on http://www.lorestrome.com/pixel_archive/main.htm (http://www.lorestrome.com/pixel_archive/main.htm). The results:
(https://i.imgur.com/kFl3Uqg.png)
Edit: Jecowa: Yes. :) I posted the list of possible tags earlier. A few are a bit opaque, but EVAPORATES is apparently water/ice, while UNDIGGABLE is slade. I think I can also cheat a bit, for example add "SEED_MAT" to INORGANIC:GOLD, which doesn't affect the game, but I could give golden items their own sprites. Or add IS_DYE to STEEL. It doesn't interfere with the normal reactions, because they look for powder with IS_DYE, not bars.
Edit2: And metal:
(https://i.imgur.com/s5Mp3EY.png)
Post by: Hylum on May 03, 2018, 02:42:59 pm
Post by: Meph on May 03, 2018, 02:48:46 pm
It has to be things the player creates, like constructions; furniture and items. For those the player has the agency and can pick the material. Due to a TWBT bug (creatures with transparency on overriden tiles = Ugly) we can't use anything that dwarves stand on; like floor tiles or bridges.
The most sensible from the list seem to be:
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BONE
MEAT
WOOD
IS_METAL
IS_GEM
IS_GLASS
IS_STONE
EVAPORATES (ice)
STOCKPILE_THREAD_METAL (adamantine)
THREAD_PLANT (cotton cloth for example)
YARN (dog hair cloth for example)
TOOTH
HORN
PEARL
SHELL
LEATHER
SILK
In addition to that we can use a few jokers: Trick the game into thinking a material has a special tag that we add manually. For example EDIBLE_VERMIN, EDIBLE_RAW and EDIBLE_COOKED are good candidates for iron, steel and bronze weapons/armor, because the metals only exist in bar or item form ingame, non of which are item-types that are selectable for eating or cooking. This way we can cheat a bit.
Now we need to decide which constructions, furniture and items to pick.
There are 12 wall tiles + 1 for fortifications.
There are tons of items/furniture without a subtybe, 36 in total that make sense for this. (Bar, Blocks, Door, Floodgate, Bed, Chair, Chain, Flask, Goblet, Cage, Barrel, Bucket, Animal Trap, Statue, Bin, Table, Armorstand, Weaponrack, Cabinet, Box, Slab, Coffin, Leather, Thread, Cloth, Totem, Backpack, Quivers, Trapparts, Coin, Pipe-Section, Hatch-Cover, Grate, Splint, Crutch, Traction Bench)
And then we have items with subtypes; weapons, armor, clothing, tools, toys, ammo, trapcomps. 106 total, minus food and instruments.
Lets assume we want to make MEAT, BONE, METAL, STONE, WOOD, GLASS and GEM, and maybe a split for IRON, STEEL; SILVER; GOLD; ADAMANTINE. That's 12 sets. Times about 150 items, more or less; that makes roughly 1800 sprites.
I can probably single out quite a few, since no one makes gem quivers, the stone-wall already exists, meat-weapons are pretty pointless... I'd also have to add at least 1 modded workshop that allows the player to make the required materials, like MEAT/BONE blocks/boulders; glass beds or gem weapons, otherwise they can't access the fancy sprites.
I guess in the end it comes down to about 1000 sprites, about 4x 256 tilesets worth. Not too bad.
Edit: Glass walls... a bit boring I guess, similar style as the ice walls, just with little windows with them.
(https://i.imgur.com/3bBwY0U.png)
Post by: Rose on May 03, 2018, 09:05:52 pm
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13723
Post by: Rose on May 04, 2018, 12:50:15 am
It would look something like [OVERRIDE:200:T:ConstructedWallRU:_MDF_overrides_6:127::::PLANT:MANGO:WOOD]
Post by: jecowa on May 04, 2018, 01:33:26 am
Post by: Rose on May 04, 2018, 01:56:02 am
Post by: jecowa on May 04, 2018, 02:55:52 am
As a test, maybe it would be worth compiling an unmodified version of TWBT to see if it crashes for Meph. That way you can tell if your updates are the source of the crash or if it's something else.
Post by: Rose on May 04, 2018, 03:35:57 am
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 04:59:12 am
That being said: Tested the newest version, same issue, crashes to desktop as soon as I embark. Tested with a save and with a newly generated world.
Edit: I wouldn't mind if someone else tests the plugin too. It's literally just copy+pasting it into the dfhack/plugins folder. I really don't want it to be something on my end, or you waiting for hours and hours, because I might not notice the update at first.
Post by: Rose on May 04, 2018, 06:13:59 am
I took the Dwarf Fortress zip you sent me, and the plugin zip that I uploaded. I replaced the plugin in that dwarf fortress copy (just to be sure, I removed the two subfolders in the plugin folder) and I run it, and there's no crash.
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 06:32:24 am
Edit: Newest version works! Japa the madman did it!
Post by: Rose on May 04, 2018, 09:01:09 am
This one has ability to specify overrides for specific materials, in addition to material tags.
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[OVERRIDE:205:T:ConstructedWallLR:_MDF_overrides_7:142::::PLANT:BAYBERRY:WOOD]
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 09:10:03 am
[OVERRIDE:205:T:ConstructedWallLR:_MDF_overrides_7:142:NewForegroundColor:NewBackgroundColor:?:PLANT:BAYBERRY:WOOD]
Post by: Rose on May 04, 2018, 09:11:57 am
Code: [Select]
[OVERRIDE:205:T:ConstructedWallLR:_MDF_overrides_7:142:::WOOD:PLANT:BAYBERRY:WOOD]
This is perfectly valid, if useless.
You can see the new syntax here: https://github.com/JapaMala/df-twbt#overrides
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 09:20:34 am
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_7:220::::INORGANIC:BRONZE] - Breastplate
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_7:236::::INORGANIC:GOLD] - Breastplate
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_7:188::::INORGANIC:IRON] - Breastplate
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_7:204::::INORGANIC:STEEL] - Breastplate
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_7:252::::INORGANIC:ADMANTINE] - Breastplate
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_1:3] - Breastplate
But it doesn't change anything ingame.
I also tried
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_7:220:::::INORGANIC:BRONZE] - Breastplate
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_7:236:::::INORGANIC:GOLD] - Breastplate
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_7:188:::::INORGANIC:IRON] - Breastplate
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_7:204:::::INORGANIC:STEEL] - Breastplate
[OVERRIDE:91:I:ARMOR:ARMOR:0:_MDF_overrides_7:252:::::INORGANIC:ADMANTINE] - Breastplate
with an extra :, which applies the lowest one, the adamantine version, to all breastplates, regardless of material.
Post by: Rose on May 04, 2018, 09:24:59 am
Post by: Rose on May 04, 2018, 09:28:01 am
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13723
Post by: waterphage13 on May 04, 2018, 10:02:54 am
Post by: db48x on May 04, 2018, 10:11:50 am
(http://db48x.net/temp/Merchantmannors%20some%20mistakes%20were%20made.png)
Meph: any chance you could put an arrow on the pump, hopefully before construction?
Post by: db48x on May 04, 2018, 10:32:26 am
There is, of course, another level of awesome to reach for: ice floors could show any encased items in the ice wall below them.
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 10:41:02 am
(https://i.imgur.com/XXofgyG.png)
Bright green = Passable, Dark green = Impassable tile. And in the menu to the right; just like in vanilla DF.
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ice floors could show any encased items in the ice wall below them.Not possible.
waterphage13: GlaDos literally runs on a potato, so I don't know what you are talking about. :P
Japa: You did it. You are responsible for the addition of thousands of variations to any tileset for DF. Because I can't be the only one who will pounce on this...
Bronze, Iron, Steel, Gold and Adamantine breastplates:
(https://i.imgur.com/RqjRDBf.png)
Post by: Vordak on May 04, 2018, 11:13:24 am
Post by: db48x on May 04, 2018, 11:30:13 am
db48x: The pump only consists of 2 tiles using the same one sprite... so no. But you can see the direction in two ways:
(https://i.imgur.com/XXofgyG.png)
Bright green = Passable, Dark green = Impassable tile. And in the menu to the right; just like in vanilla DF.Quoteice floors could show any encased items in the ice wall below them.Not possible.
In principle I'm perfectly aware that it says exactly what direction it pumps from right there on the screen. In practice, there is Murphy's law.
Don't be so sure that it's impossible, however. I'm perfectly aware that TWBT only lets you change the tile based on certain factors, but TWBT's feature set is not carved in stone. I'm sure the list of qualifiers could be extended.
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 11:33:20 am
Bronze/Iron/Steel/Gold/Adamantine Breastplate/Helm/Greaves/Gauntlets/High-Boots/Shields
(https://i.imgur.com/NKH1Y70.png)
Post by: Vordak on May 04, 2018, 12:20:55 pm
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 01:01:35 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/o8eLaDi.png)
I might ask around on the minecraft forums, see if some of their sets are open-source. That could cover at least part of the items.
Post by: Vordak on May 04, 2018, 01:36:00 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/o8eLaDi.png)These chairs\thrones do not fit stylistically.
In connection with the mini revolution created by Japa, I have only one wish - all new variations of objects should preserve the dwarven style, without the overly elaborate details. As it seems to me it is necessary to aspire to a certain unification - as if everything was drawn by the hand of one artist.
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 01:45:30 pm
I wasn't going to use them, just posted them as an example.
Post by: Vordak on May 04, 2018, 01:53:12 pm
Do you mean that these chairs don't fit into DF; or that they don't fit to each other?Don't fit into DF.
I wasn't going to use them, just posted them as an example.
For each other they correlate well with each other - if you redraw under the current chairs, then the walls of the chairs must probably be removed.
I think you understand everything yourself.
(https://i.imgur.com/Em2n60K.png)
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 02:33:10 pm
What about both? :D But yeah, I get what you mean.
Overall I'd like the "normal dwarf look" for most items, but a golden throne or a adamantine battle axe should have a bit of... grandeur.
Post by: Vordak on May 04, 2018, 02:44:01 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/X2D8eh8.png)Chairs with a back look good only when over the table.
What about both? :D But yeah, I get what you mean.
(https://i.imgur.com/TXExwkq.png)
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 02:45:51 pm
Bar stools it is... :/
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 03:10:21 pm
Bone, Stone.
Metal, Wood.
Post by: jecowa on May 04, 2018, 03:20:19 pm
1. Walls
2. Furniture
3. Resources
4. Misc
5. Weapons/Armor/Tools
I don't think everything needs to be super differentiated. Just being able to see the difference between broad types like metal, leather, stone, and wood would be plenty, imo.
For armor, being able to see the difference between a bronze piece and a leather piece would be kind of nice. Just having different colors is plenty for identifying them most of the time, and I don't think they're really used for decoration. I kind of think that weapons and armor are the least-commonly seen tiles out of the options.
I'm not really sure what the current resources look like, but it might be cool to have different tiles based on if something is a gem, metal, coal, or flux, or whatever. Maybe there could be different-sized gen tiles based on the value of the gem.
I think furnature could be a good one to have more options for since it is used decoratively and they are used all over the fortress. That bone furniture looks nice.
I really like your idea for having a special tile for wood walls. I'm guessing you'll keep natural smooth walls so that walls of different stones will blend with each other, so this will mostly be for constructed walls. I'm not really understanding why a gold walls would need to be different from an iron wall, and i kind of doubt that metals would be used for walls enough to make two different metal sets of walls worth it, but i'm still interested in it.
Post by: Vordak on May 04, 2018, 03:33:41 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/pdWD8rT.png)
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 03:39:10 pm
Gold, Flux.
Bone, Stone.
Metal, Wood.
I'm mostly interested in giving players move visuals to design their fort with. Of course seeing the colors already helps to distinguish between gold and granite tables, but it would be nice to show craftier dwarfen artwork properly. And if I add support to make evil stuff like bone furniture or flesh walls, people can go all sims on their forts. ^^ So, furniture and walls are my top picks.
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I don't think everything needs to be super differentiated. Just being able to see the difference between broad types like metal, leather, stone, and wood would be plenty, imo.
Same here.
For armor, being able to see the difference between a bronze piece and a leather piece would be kind of nice. Just having different colors is plenty for identifying them most of the time, and I don't think they're really used for decoration. I kind of think that weapons and armor are the least-commonly seen tiles out of the options.
True, I sometimes forget that those are mostly stored in chests, cabinets or on bodies. Creatures would need to show their worn items for this to make sense.
I'm not really sure what the current resources look like, but it might be cool to have different tiles based on if something is a gem, metal, coal, or flux, or whatever. Maybe there could be different-sized gen tiles based on the value of the gem.
That's my plan. Stone, Metal, Gem, Wood, Bone. Maybe Flux, and maybe something for Gold and Adamantine. Glass is super tough to paint. I could make differently sized gem based on value, yes. Thta would require a lot of override code lines though, about 130 for each item.
I think furnature could be a good one to have more options for since it is used decoratively and they are used all over the fortress. That bone furniture looks nice.
Again, agreed. :)
I really like your idea for having a special tile for wood walls. I'm guessing you'll keep natural smooth walls so that walls of different stones will blend with each other, so this will mostly be for constructed walls. I'm not really understanding why a gold walls would need to be different from an iron wall, and i kind of doubt that metals would be used for walls enough to make two different metal sets of walls worth it, but i'm still interested in it.
Mostly just for people that want to show off. Nobles, monarchs, etc sometimes get golden rooms, I thought that if players put in the extra effort, they should be rewarded with a cool look.
Post by: Vordak on May 04, 2018, 03:44:55 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/buw97s6.png)For a metal, it would be good to halve the brightness of the diagonal light strip.
Wood - you have a chair made of parquet)
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 04:03:34 pm
How about wooden furniture made of tree-trunks? ^^
Post by: Vordak on May 04, 2018, 04:13:56 pm
Metal - diagonal light strip - too noticeable, distracting from everything else. Maybe draw black line,that denote the bottom of the table in the area table-legs.
Flux - (https://i.imgur.com/B1RWspN.png)
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 04:21:49 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/YkfbKY0.png)
I hope it's not too painstakingly obvious that I'm having a ton of fun and should really be doing other things right now. ^^
Post by: Vordak on May 04, 2018, 04:26:05 pm
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 04:39:26 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/MrxQVE4.png)
Post by: Hylum on May 04, 2018, 05:34:22 pm
Post by: Meph on May 04, 2018, 05:48:07 pm
Adamantine set??Maybe something like this?
(https://i.imgur.com/7M1esta.png)
Glass and Adamantine.
Edit: My current idea:
(https://i.imgur.com/EZ9QZnJ.png)
That should cover most of the furniture, or the most seen items in a fortress. Armorstrand, Weaponrack, Chair, Cabinet, Chest, Slab, Bed, Statue, Table, Coffin, Cage, Barrel, Bin, Blocks, Hatch Cover, Door.
Materials are: Stone, Wood, Cavern-Wood/Fungus, Gem, Bone, Flux, Glass, Soft Metals (Non-weapon grade, like Silver, Gold, Aluminum), Hard Metals (Weapon grade, Iron, Bronze, Steel), Adamantine.
Mh, clay / earthenware should probably get it's own; kaolinite / porcelain too (?)
Post by: Mrok Girl on May 04, 2018, 07:21:54 pm
Adamantine set??Maybe something like this?
(https://i.imgur.com/7M1esta.png)
Glass and Adamantine.
Edit: My current idea:
(https://i.imgur.com/EZ9QZnJ.png)
That should cover most of the furniture, or the most seen items in a fortress. Armorstrand, Weaponrack, Chair, Cabinet, Chest, Slab, Bed, Statue, Table, Coffin, Cage, Barrel, Bin, Blocks, Hatch Cover, Door.
Materials are: Stone, Wood, Cavern-Wood/Fungus, Gem, Bone, Flux, Glass, Soft Metals (Non-weapon grade, like Silver, Gold, Aluminum), Hard Metals (Weapon grade, Iron, Bronze, Steel), Adamantine.
Mh, clay / earthenware should probably get it's own; kaolinite / porcelain too (?)
Oh wow! I absolutely love it! So many possibilities *_*
Can the golden and adamantine set have a metal sheen to it too? Can the glass set be see-through, as in the back legs of the table/chair showing through the top a little bit?
Post by: db48x on May 04, 2018, 10:15:55 pm
Post by: Meph on May 05, 2018, 02:58:20 am
Bad news: Walls don't support transparency, so I can't make thin, flimsy walls, they always have to be 32x32, or they get black border.
Clay walls, fortifications and stairs:
(https://i.imgur.com/ltgwPn8.png)
2x zoom:
(https://i.imgur.com/EGr6iL2.png)
The black borders you see are a result of me trying thinner walls that should show the background. Not intended, but I kinda like it in this example.
Post by: Nefarian on May 05, 2018, 06:33:51 am
Can't wait to see the constructions now, especially a giant Adamantine bridge. The thing has to feel like "You're not getting past me" XD
Post by: Meph on May 05, 2018, 06:55:46 am
Mh, I guess floors would be alright, since they default to the normal floor tile.
And damn it, I just realize that I already do that for bridges. :/ I think if a dwarf walks above it, it looks like the biome ground tiles.
Post by: Vordak on May 05, 2018, 07:57:08 am
rough stone -> block(goblin) -> unique goblin walls & furniture
Post by: Rose on May 05, 2018, 08:01:02 am
Post by: jecowa on May 05, 2018, 08:32:54 am
Post by: Rose on May 05, 2018, 08:35:07 am
Post by: Meph on May 05, 2018, 09:24:56 am
But there is no grass underneath. Just more wall.On ground level the wall would show the floor, for example grass or pebbles. On multiple stories, it would show a constructed floor tile as background.
I think he was hoping TWBT multilayer transparency would work with them, so it would show the grass underneath.Correct.
Theoretically, if all the constructions and furniture were made only of blocks i.e rough stone would not be allowed to build, then it would be possible to make for each civilization its own types of blocks. This would lead to a notable difference in architectural cultures.Correct, but only for playable races, since constructions made in worldgen by civs ignore custom reactions.
rough stone -> block(goblin) -> unique goblin walls & furniture
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 05, 2018, 02:49:49 pm
What computer can run this work? I understand that all you have GLaDOS, but what can do ordinary players?it is still singlecore and even i can run it on this old machine.
Post by: Meph on May 05, 2018, 02:51:22 pm
I tried a diagonal design for the bone walls... took WAY too long to make, but I think it's nice for interior design, makes rooms spacier.
The top-down metal walls I'm not happy with. Everything else is fake 2.5D with an angle, the metal walls look flat and more like floor tiles without a side-wall.
Edit: Ok, I think I have a good list together:
Stone
Flux
Metal (weapon-grade)
Metal (non-weapon-grade)
Glass
Bone
Wood
Cavern/Fungi Wood
Gem
Obsidian
Adamantine
Clay/Fireclay/Earthenware/Stoneware
Kaolinite/Porcelain
Ice
Marble
Post by: Vordak on May 05, 2018, 03:35:33 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/py2NluH.png)
p.S turns out disgustingly)
p.s.2. (https://i.imgur.com/R6Z4SrD.png) - some door
Post by: Meph on May 05, 2018, 04:31:02 pm
Constructions:
(https://i.imgur.com/zXlKmEn.png)
Furniture:
(https://i.imgur.com/TW9L4qd.png)
Post by: Darkond2100 on May 05, 2018, 04:46:38 pm
Post by: Meph on May 05, 2018, 04:51:33 pm
Kaolinite should have a white/cobalt design. Clay/Earthen/Stoneware should be rough grey texture/burgundy design just like stone designs but with softer edges. Marble should be marbled. Obsidian black/white like bone inverted, but without the skulls.We have very different ideas ^^
Post by: Nefarian on May 05, 2018, 06:05:40 pm
I mean...It's the most used material for all evil stupid dwarf tricks, or eternal imprisonment of vampires, disposal of nobles and you need it to build your own personal Barad-Dûr.
Similiar to Daedric furniture from ESO/Elder Scroll universe.
Post by: Hylum on May 05, 2018, 07:01:31 pm
Adamantine set??Maybe something like this?
Glass and Adamantine.
Edit: My current idea:
(https://i.imgur.com/EZ9QZnJ.png)
That should cover most of the furniture, or the most seen items in a fortress. Armorstrand, Weaponrack, Chair, Cabinet, Chest, Slab, Bed, Statue, Table, Coffin, Cage, Barrel, Bin, Blocks, Hatch Cover, Door.
Materials are: Stone, Wood, Cavern-Wood/Fungus, Gem, Bone, Flux, Glass, Soft Metals (Non-weapon grade, like Silver, Gold, Aluminum), Hard Metals (Weapon grade, Iron, Bronze, Steel), Adamantine.
Mh, clay / earthenware should probably get it's own; kaolinite / porcelain too (?)
Oh wow! I absolutely love it! So many possibilities *_*
Can the golden and adamantine set have a metal sheen to it too? Can the glass set be see-through, as in the back legs of the table/chair showing through the top a little bit?
Yes! Looks awesome Meph! I like how the Adamantine and Obsidian are more elaborate and fancier, that's what I was thinking as well.
Post by: funkydwarf on May 06, 2018, 03:03:19 am
I like the skulls in the bone wall, I like it all! I took the poll, screw the poll! Do what you want , follow your muse. Great job Meph, Awesome tweak Japa, it adds a great deal to the feature set of TWBT ,This is like a strange-mood spiral...
Thanks for your work guys, you really add alot to the experience for me, and a ton of people like me, I am sure. And this is probably enough , once fully realized, for me to get a few of my hard headed friends into forting finally.
Post by: Meph on May 06, 2018, 11:19:13 am
(https://i.imgur.com/xdPdUyW.png)
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack incl. Tileset V2.8 for DF 44.09 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Comes pre-installed with df, dfhack, twbt, a custom LNP, 12+ utilities like Therapist, Soundsense and more.
THE WOOD UPDATE!
Wooden exterior / constructions:
(https://i.imgur.com/bxoO4Rl.png)
Wooden interior / furniture:
(https://i.imgur.com/Coj9SEu.png)
Wooden walls, floors, stairs, fortifications; as well as chairs, tables, beds, weaponracks, armorstands, cabinets, chests, hatch covers, doors, slabs, statues, coffins, cages, bins and barrels have their own, unique sprite. (Yes, I know that slabs/statues can't be made of wood, and that beds were only wooden too... but both of those will change in the future)
Please test everything and build some fancy wooden indoor designs. :)
This is the first material-related update of many to come. It's also not a final design, but a first test.
Credits:
- Japa for the extra TWBT code extension that allows material selection.
- Vordak for the hearty discussion and design suggestions.
- Hyptosis of lorestrome.com (http://www.lorestrome.com/pixel_archive/main.htm) for the wooden wall sprite basis, altered to fit DF by me.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 06, 2018, 11:28:32 am
from a carpenters point of view, you might chose to make the top of the coffin with length planks instead of how they are now.
otherwise its "omfg a new package :D"
a callout to all linux coders: please can someone make mephs Launcher linux-compatible?
using the linux LNP i could not launch the game without using the LNP-Launcher, which always resets a lot of mephs RAW-changes and my manual DFsettings.
Post by: jecowa on May 06, 2018, 12:57:49 pm
Post by: Meph on May 06, 2018, 01:38:10 pm
I love the additional labels in the comments on the ammo, armor, and tools in the overrides.txt in version 2.8. You've got the most-complete TWBT overrides file. It makes a nice reference for overrides codes.They were mostly for myself. ^^ But I could comment all of them, or at least the non-obvious ones.
My try at clay/earthenware: (left side sharpened, right side blurred)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I completely forgot that vanilla DF doesn't allow earthernware furniture, except for statues. ... So, that was a short list to make. ^^
Post by: Rose on May 06, 2018, 02:57:45 pm
Post by: Meph on May 06, 2018, 03:22:27 pm
But I can split it up into clays and earthen/stoneware.
I'm also a sucker for these old Warcraft II sprites. I love their walls...
Spoiler: Obsidian walls anyone? Fortifications 5x on the bottom center (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hommit on May 06, 2018, 03:31:10 pm
what about sharpened with brown lines?
Post by: RadGH on May 06, 2018, 04:31:52 pm
Hiding engravings doesn't seem to work in my DF either. So I changed it to just a variation of the regular stone tile.
Before:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
After:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Still not a huge fan of my own solution since it looks more just like a kitchen floor pattern. Could use some (very subtle) engravings. But if you're interested here's the tile:
(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/elasticbeanstalk-us-west-2-868470985522/ShareX/2018/05/raw-engraved-floor-tile-praise-the-miners.png)
Post by: Meph on May 06, 2018, 04:41:14 pm
The engravings are actually obsidian souls engravings, from his 16x set. The entire idea of this tileset is to finish a set in the style that he started with, but abandoned. I thought the artwork was too good to not be used.
Anyway, your engravings don't look much like engravings, but they do look much cleaner. Less noisy.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 06, 2018, 05:07:46 pm
otherwise yout design looks awesome from the historical point of view: walls were made from willow twigs plaited into walls and then clay was pressed inbetween the mesh.
so this actually calls for a wall made from wood an clay.meaning like 1 wood 1 clay per 2 tiles.
Post by: Meph on May 06, 2018, 05:44:49 pm
Edit: Also: Mushroom walls are a lot more work than I expected. Vordak, any ideas? ^^
Post by: RadGH on May 06, 2018, 05:59:13 pm
And hey Meph, is there a way to separate smooth tiles from engraved tiles? That would be SO much better!
Here's some new floors:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Only provided the meph_32x32.png for the last example the rest you need to swap in with photoshop.
Post by: Lutteq on May 06, 2018, 07:34:02 pm
Is the mod updated to 44.10?
Thank you!
Post by: jecowa on May 06, 2018, 08:45:04 pm
Post by: Meph on May 07, 2018, 03:45:08 am
Gem floor:
(https://i.imgur.com/aYad2yC.png)
Post by: Meph on May 07, 2018, 08:22:10 am
(https://i.imgur.com/xdPdUyW.png)
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack incl. Tileset V2.9 for DF 44.09 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Comes pre-installed with df, dfhack, twbt, a custom LNP, 12+ utilities like Therapist, Soundsense and more.
Flux & Clay Update!
Now all furniture and constructions build from calcite, dolomite, limestone, chalk and marble have their own style; the same counts for clay, fire-clay, silty clay, sandy clay and clay-loam constructions. Together with stone and wood sets that gives you 4 unique styles:
(https://i.imgur.com/ySYtR3O.png)
- Layer Rock => Your normal, smoothed fortress.
- Flux Stone => A more expensive, lovingly carved rock design with barbicans for your outer defences.
- Wood => Rather have your dwarves live in cozy wooden huts on the surface?
- Soil => Or quickly pile up a dirt wall to hide behind?
Spoiler: ingame screenshot (click to show/hide)
Vordak (Please check out his extensive add-on tileset (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165118.0)) went all-in and made military professions and sprites for all Fortress Defence races. These are optional races that you can fight with (enable in the launcher before world-gen) now have their own 32x sprites... all in all 321 new creature sprites. Thank you for your continued support!
Spoiler: The new fortress defence sprites (click to show/hide)
Credits: The flux walls, just like to upcoming obsidian walls, are from Blizzards Warcraft Il. All rights reserved. I hope they don't mind me using these 23 year old sprites, since I do love Warcraft Il and its style.
Post by: Rose on May 07, 2018, 12:15:59 pm
The earth stairs look quite a bit better.
Post by: Meph on May 07, 2018, 12:41:33 pm
Hm... not fond of the stair icons for stone flux and wood. While the arrows do tell you which is which, the up and down stairs otherwise look too similar.I can change the shading on one of them. I tried that, but didn't quite like how it looked.
Or spiral staircases:(https://i.imgur.com/XIlvQ1p.png)
Post by: Rose on May 07, 2018, 12:43:02 pm
Another idea would be to make a ladder type deal, the way it is in Armok Vision.
Post by: Meph on May 07, 2018, 12:57:13 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/sph7Sxx.png)
I want to do ladders eventually. But stair-functionality (knowing which is up, down and up/down) is kinda important to the player, so I don't want to go too crazy on them. They have to be recognizable easily.
Post by: Vordak on May 07, 2018, 01:24:33 pm
Post by: Meph on May 07, 2018, 02:26:50 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/fOYiRSW.png)
Note that this one also has cages, barrels and bins. And since the screenshot was taken I fiddled a bit with the spiral staircase. Those things are tricky...
Post by: Vordak on May 07, 2018, 03:41:39 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/dYElKPt.png)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 07, 2018, 03:58:34 pm
instead of walls with barbicans, i'd rather have TWBT use different Sprites for Fortifications, making it aware of adjacent tiles and drawing the correct fortification sprite.
Post by: Meph on May 07, 2018, 04:07:18 pm
can you make the flux constructions optional? they aren't bad for themselves, but their geometry doesnt fit to the rest of the walls.No, sorry. If you don't want flux walls, don't use flux to build them. I added two different designs for a reason, to give players options.
instead of walls with barbicans, i'd rather have TWBT use different Sprites for Fortifications, making it aware of adjacent tiles and drawing the correct fortification sprite.
DF ignore adjacent tiles sadly, otherwise I'd be all up in tapestries, carpets and the like. Especially fortifications, because they only have 1 single tile, which has to fit omnidirectional. :/
I think it's useful.Very useful. The bottom left and center are gorgeous.
(https://i.imgur.com/dYElKPt.png)
Post by: Vordak on May 07, 2018, 05:00:43 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 07, 2018, 05:05:20 pm
No, sorry. If you don't want flux walls, don't use flux to build them. I added two different designs for a reason, to give players options.okay. i like how your work flourishes and blooms these days :) maybe i can throw in some rough drafts for designs too.
DF ignore adjacent tiles sadly, otherwise I'd be all up in tapestries, carpets and the like. Especially fortifications, because they only have 1 single tile, which has to fit omnidirectional. :/
Post by: Meph on May 07, 2018, 05:13:12 pm
Sorry to disappoint on the fortifications, but some people like outdoor forts; those will appreciate the barbicans. It makes for a cool looking castle, without having to build several z-levels high and top it off with fortifications. I mean, the entire point of the latest updates is variety... I can't make all walls blend smoothly into each other. ;)
Post by: Nefarian on May 07, 2018, 05:47:00 pm
Post by: Meph on May 07, 2018, 05:55:45 pm
Last bit for today: Obsidian.
It's the edgy evil design; was fun to make. It's a bit dark, but if you want more contrast just use a different floor tile for underneath.
The walls are again surface-type barbicans (since I only had 1 of those so far) and obsidian is most often made/used on volcano embarks, which have magma-access directly at the surface.
The chairs are supposed to look like a certain Iron Throne. It doesn't have the right orientation when put below a table (as Vordak pointed out), but I think it's excusable for one set.
I took the criticism on the stairs to heart and tried out two new designs: Spiral (for metal) and Ladder (for obsidian).
(https://i.imgur.com/fMXC0ws.png)
Credits:
- Walls based on Warcraft II, just like the flux version; the coffin and statue are by Vordak, I just added spikes to fit the rest of the objects.
Thoughts?
Post by: Nefarian on May 07, 2018, 06:08:33 pm
The metal door now is perfect!
Can't wait to see all the rest, i already know it's going to be awesome. ^^
Post by: Hommit on May 08, 2018, 06:43:35 am
also spikes on up stairs should be reverted, like it hangs from the ceiling
Post by: Mrok Girl on May 08, 2018, 09:45:15 am
Are you looking for ideas and/or finished tiles for stuff? If yes, how would one go about helping out with this gorgeous expansion?
Edit: I don't suppose this hack can be used to finally give us female dwarf sprites?
Post by: Meph on May 08, 2018, 10:16:53 am
Anyway, no caste-specific creature sprites.
If you want to help, draw sprites. :) Or have a good look at the ones I made and tell me which ones have obvious mistakes.
Post by: Meph on May 08, 2018, 10:33:25 am
In silver it looks fine, but the yellow in DF is just so... non-shiny. I even added little white "bling" to the objects, and it still looks bad. :/
Spoiler: With shiny bling (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Without bling (click to show/hide)
The furniture looks fine when build on dark background, but if everything is gold, it kinda loses the point.
PS: Armor and weapons on the racks are from Vordaks set. :)
Post by: Vordak on May 08, 2018, 10:36:41 am
Furniture is too monotonous.
About obsidian:
On coffin, in my opinion, skeleton should be less bright - it should look like a hewn. Stair is very cool.
About metal:
Something is wrong with the perspective of the barrel cover.
Post by: Meph on May 08, 2018, 10:48:19 am
I agree on the gold without bling. Guess I have to make the walls/floor... darker(?) too.
When you say too monotonous, do you mean the carvings on box, table, chair and cabinet?
Post by: Vordak on May 08, 2018, 10:52:11 am
The floor must be darker.
About furniture and walls - I do not know what should be darker.
About obsidian:
Throne is not contrast with their swords backs.
Post by: Rose on May 08, 2018, 11:00:56 am
Post by: Nefarian on May 08, 2018, 11:03:03 am
Besides that, yellow on yellow will always be ugly no matter what, it's just a terrible combination. Meanwhile, gold on a dark background complements and emphasizes the gold color, resulting in a much better image overall. Drawing them to fit with dark colors (instead of gold on gold) is much better imo
Post by: Meph on May 08, 2018, 11:05:54 am
(https://i.imgur.com/xdPdUyW.png)
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack incl. Tileset V2.91 for DF 44.09 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Comes pre-installed with df, dfhack, twbt, a custom LNP, 12+ utilities like Therapist, Soundsense and more.
Obsidian and Metal update!
Two new sets with complete furniture sets, (cages, bins and barrels for the metal set too), walls, stairs and floors.
(https://i.imgur.com/fMXC0ws.png)
(I already made the skeleton in the obsidian coffin darker)
Just download, unpack, play. Old saves from 2.8 and 2.9 are save compatible, just copy your data/save/region folder over to the new set, and you'll get all the additions.
Credits:
- Obsidian walls are from Warcraft II, Blizzard, all rights reserved.
- Coffin and Statue are by Vordak, I simply added spikes and changed the color.
Post by: Vordak on May 08, 2018, 12:54:11 pm
Post by: Meph on May 08, 2018, 01:51:21 pm
Post by: Vordak on May 08, 2018, 02:15:15 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/dYElKPt.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/6jI30By.png)
Here are a couple of new:
(https://i.imgur.com/jR6xk2x.png)
Post by: gcook725 on May 08, 2018, 07:31:04 pm
I figure its possible to animate tiles since it is done with the grass in Obsidian's Tileset, though I'm unsure how its done there.
Post by: Meph on May 08, 2018, 10:06:44 pm
Post by: Rose on May 08, 2018, 10:07:51 pm
I wonder....
Post by: Meph on May 08, 2018, 10:21:41 pm
Hm........Ok, thanks. Please let me load gifs. And alt-tiles for everything. And a lighting render. Some AA would be cool, and HDR/Bloom. While you are at it, could dwarves show the worn clothing items while running around? Oh, and make TWBT display a random tile from a selection, like OVERRIDE:33%:1, OVERRIDE:33%:2, OVERRIDE:33%:3 for the same item, that way we can use Vordaks statues/coffins randomly for stone; and obviously beard-shapings and super important, so an overlay for those would be great...
I wonder....
:P
(Honestly: Thanks again for the amazing TWBT update, people are loving it :) )
Post by: Rose on May 08, 2018, 10:30:51 pm
as for the random, that's doable.
Post by: fricy on May 08, 2018, 11:35:49 pm
Hm........Since we are all wondering, and you're already in a strange mood:
I wonder....
How about overrides by item quality? :)
So those poor coffins can be poor, and Vordak can draw some masterwork ones as well.
Amazing work everyone!
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 09, 2018, 03:47:29 am
don't be pushy with the dorf in a strange mood, they might go mad (^_^)Hm........Since we are all wondering, and you're already in a strange mood:
I wonder....
How about overrides by item quality? :)
So those poor coffins can be poor, and Vordak can draw some masterwork ones as well.
Amazing work everyone!
Post by: fricy on May 09, 2018, 04:45:11 am
Oh boy, can I push it some more? Pretty please? ::)don't be pushy with the dorf in a strange mood, they might go mad (^_^)Hm........Since we are all wondering, and you're already in a strange mood:
I wonder....
How about overrides by item quality? :)
So those poor coffins can be poor, and Vordak can draw some masterwork ones as well.
Amazing work everyone!
So here's something to think about: instead of random statues, how about parsing the statue description for keywords, and overriding with something appropriate?
So something like:
Code: [Select]
OVERRIDE:dwarf:striking a menacing pose:1
OVERRIDE:dwarf:cowering:1
OVERRIDE:dragon::1
OVERRIDE:cockroach::1etc.That extends the neccessary work by only about a million new sprites, so it's nothing Meph can't handle. ;D
Post by: Vordak on May 09, 2018, 05:10:37 am
The ideas are wonderful, but need something more simple at the moment.
I have long been tormented by the question - Whether it is possible to make for a combination of identical objects to use other sprites?
For example, from tables and stools standing in line to get a large table and a long bench - combination of sprites like a wall.
Also for example, from the stack 3x3 of stairs get an image of a large spiral staircase.
P.s. There would be a breakthrough if the ramp had an NESW-orientation(9 directions), but this must be asked Toady.
Post by: Meph on May 09, 2018, 07:57:34 am
That extends the neccessary work by only about a million new sprites, so it's nothing Meph can't handle. ;DThe texture catalog might get too large. TWBT merges all sprites into one large file on startup. It's max size depends on the memory of your GPU. Once it gets larger than 4096x4096 pixels, a lot of people might get issues with this.
But seriously, there are so many things that a statue might be, it's not worth it to even start.
BUT! what would be way more useful: Coverings. Things that cover things.
- Dwarf full of blood.
- Water on dirt, aka mud.
- Table encrusted with gems.
- Armor decorated with menacing iron spikes.
Now that would be interesting, not only because it looks cooler, but because it gives the players more info.
Post by: Rose on May 09, 2018, 08:03:33 am
Maybe something more... 3D?
Post by: Meph on May 09, 2018, 08:26:55 am
But: GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!
I talked to the author of a minecraft tileset called Dokucraft Dwarven (https://dokucraft.co.uk/resource-packs/dwarven), who allowed his sprites to be used for this little project. While minecraft doesn't have creature sprites or furniture sprites, the terrain and item sprites are fantastic and surprisingly with a style like the one in this set: Nordic carving, golden highlights, lots of details.
The next update might contain several of those sprites, made by Handsome_Dan, who is like a friendlier Handsome Jack.
Post by: Rose on May 09, 2018, 11:41:51 am
Also https://youtu.be/To8_5j_TLhA
Post by: Meph on May 09, 2018, 12:46:19 pm
PIcture of weird wallsThat doesn't look right. Either I did something horribly wrong, or you are testing out something new.
Also https://youtu.be/To8_5j_TLhA
Saw the youtube clip. It seems like you are using the smoothed mineral walls for the test. Try this file and replace _MDF_decorations_3-top.png with it.:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vordak on May 09, 2018, 12:46:28 pm
Dokucraft Dwarven (https://dokucraft.co.uk/resource-packs/dwarven)(https://i.imgur.com/BaJNTEa.png)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on May 09, 2018, 12:50:30 pm
The best part I found in it? 1.12-Dokucraft_Dwarven\assets\minecraft\Alternative Textures (wip)\Alt Gui (stone rpg)\default.png. Have a look. :D We went full circle.
Edit: Oh, and for the people that have no idea what the Dokucraft thing looks like: They have sprites like:
(https://i.imgur.com/DxeN2Xk.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/oRXLWov.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/tlxx7lg.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HaTxpx4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/obHkFSG.png)
Really nice rock/metal nordic/dwarven designs.
Post by: Rose on May 09, 2018, 01:17:05 pm
PIcture of weird wallsThat doesn't look right. Either I did something horribly wrong, or you are testing out something new.
Also https://youtu.be/To8_5j_TLhA
Saw the youtube clip. It seems like you are using the smoothed mineral walls for the test. Try this file and replace _MDF_decorations_3-top.png with it.:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Some more explanation:
The image in the post is placing random sprites across a smoothed wall. The sprites themselves are always the same for the same location.
The animated one is self explanatory, though fast.
Right now, the animated sprites always show the same frame of animation over all sprites, but it'd be better, I think, to offset each tile by a random amount, so sparkles can appear in different places.
Post by: Meph on May 09, 2018, 02:17:14 pm
So... I could make different details in the wall carvings, or 10 different coffins, and they'd are used randomly for each coffin he places?
Don't offset the animated tiles, or at least make it optional please. also... you can offset tiles? Outside of the 32x grid the game has?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 09, 2018, 02:31:24 pm
The Dokucraft diamond armor makes a nice adamantine armor for example ;)it has a great design, but in MC we never used it, because it makes everything no matter what look dwarven - sometimes even naturally occuring stuff.
The best part I found in it? 1.12-Dokucraft_Dwarven\assets\minecraft\Alternative Textures (wip)\Alt Gui (stone rpg)\default.png. Have a look. :D We went full circle.
Edit: Oh, and for the people that have no idea what the Dokucraft thing looks like: They have sprites like:
(https://i.imgur.com/DxeN2Xk.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/oRXLWov.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/tlxx7lg.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HaTxpx4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/obHkFSG.png)
Really nice rock/metal nordic/dwarven designs.
it is a great source for design in DF though :)
Post by: Rose on May 09, 2018, 02:43:45 pm
Don't offset the animated tiles, or at least make it optional please. also... you can offset tiles? Outside of the 32x grid the game has?
Offset in the time axis. So one tile is showing frame 1, another is showing frame 5. Then they are showing frame 2 and 6, then 3 and 1, etc.
Otherwise, every torch would look exactly the same all the time, instead of looking like each torch has a different flame.
Post by: Meph on May 09, 2018, 03:11:36 pm
If you need anything to test, just let me know.
Edit:
Spoiler: In case that you need sparkles (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 09, 2018, 04:05:12 pm
Post by: Darkond2100 on May 09, 2018, 10:08:52 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/98sGEPk.png)
like this
#a67c00 (166,124,0)
#bf9b30 (191,155,48)
#ffbf00 (255,191,0)
#ffcf40 (255,207,64)
#ffdc73 (255,220,115)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 10, 2018, 04:08:16 am
Try a different color pallet for the goldyes, that looks awesome!
(https://i.imgur.com/98sGEPk.png)
like this
#a67c00 (166,124,0)
#bf9b30 (191,155,48)
#ffbf00 (255,191,0)
#ffcf40 (255,207,64)
#ffdc73 (255,220,115)
Post by: Meph on May 10, 2018, 04:22:25 am
(https://i.imgur.com/GHmKcLO.png)
That stupid bland yellow is applied by DF, it only has 1 yellow... and while I type this I realize that I'm an idiot and that I can change it in inorganic_metal using the extended color palette. :D Anyway, your sprites look good. :) Sadly none of them are either walls nor furniture.
Post by: Rose on May 10, 2018, 04:38:39 am
You are setting separate sprites for gold items.
You don't need to color them via the game. you can just give pre-colored sprites.
Post by: Meph on May 10, 2018, 04:46:37 am
Post by: Rose on May 10, 2018, 04:57:41 am
Post by: Meph on May 10, 2018, 05:05:37 am
Post by: Rose on May 10, 2018, 05:08:32 am
Post by: Meph on May 10, 2018, 06:22:00 am
Post by: Meph on May 10, 2018, 08:11:13 am
(https://i.imgur.com/xdPdUyW.png)
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack incl. Tileset V2.92 for DF 44.09 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Comes pre-installed with df, dfhack, twbt, a custom LNP, 12+ utilities like Therapist, Soundsense and more.
SILVER & GOLD UPDATE!
Lets crank it up to eleven and give single metals their own style. Silver and Gold are the most use precious metals for decorations, so here you go:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZCTcRbW.png)
It's a bit overwhelming when everything is silver/gold, so use is sparingly for highlights. ;)
I might rework the chair to make them more regal, like a throne. So far they are normal, golden chairs to be used in mass production. ;) People seemed to like the ladders, so I made one more ladder-set for stairs, while I'm not completely done with the silver stairs yet.
The basis for the golden set is Handsome_Dans minecraft texture pack Dokucraft Dwarven (https://dokucraft.co.uk/resource-packs/dwarven). I had a quick chat with him yesterday and he gave permission to use his sprites for this Dwarf Fortress tileset. Thank you! The design is fantastic and I'm happy to share it in a second game.
The silver coffin and the weapons/armor on the racks are once again Vordaks work.
Special thanks to Japa again for continuing to work on TWBT enhancements.
Post by: Rose on May 10, 2018, 08:49:10 am
Post by: Meph on May 10, 2018, 08:50:57 am
Edit: Japa finished the new features he was talking about. TWBT offer two new options now:
- A tile is overwritten with a randomly-picked tile from a pre-set selection. This is useful when you use multiple designs for the same thing, for example if you have 10 sprites for stone coffins that look similar. You graveyard will get a lot of variety that way; or for example wall tiles that have decorations on them every now and then.
Random decorations on walls:
(https://i.imgur.com/Gmd7L7C.png)
- A tile is overwritten with either a sequential list of tiles from a pre-set selection, or a random list of tiles from a pre-set selection. This means the tile flickers either randomly between tiles you picked, or it plays like a looping gif. These are useful for anything that moves, like machines, smoke, liquids, fire... (not on creatures, sorry).
Burning torches:
(https://i.imgur.com/hQx48R8.gif)
Obviously that means adding even more sprites. The gold-wall for example has 5 versions for the single east-west wall tile. The torch is a random sequence of 13 different flames; although I guess 2-5 would be enough for a nice animation. As an example, if I wre to use 4 tiles for animated objects, a full tileset of 256 tiles (16x16) offers space for 64 objects.
Note: The randomly placed decorations can't be controlled by the player. I can use it to give the game a lot more detail and less uniformity in large sections of repeating tiles; like tree-leafs, walls, floors, water, and individual objects like tables, chairs, coffins, etc. Some might be a tiny bit lighter, or have a notch or crack, or a different engraving on them. The problem? Players can not control this.
Question: How many people that love symmetry would get a stroke and will want to murder me for that?
Next up: Suggestions, suggestions, suggestions. What should I do with this new functionality?
Post by: Nefarian on May 10, 2018, 12:21:34 pm
I'd prefer the randomness restricted to coffins and nature.
Post by: Vordak on May 10, 2018, 12:25:29 pm
Random decorations on wallsWhen save and load fort, their position does not change?
This function will find good use for mushroom or wood walls, where random deviations are natural. For stone and metal, fans of symmetry can really be in horror.
Also good applying in floor - different cracks in the floor and stuff.
About gold:
Furniture is not very different to each other. Maybe floor replace by a carpet with gold fringe or some other, like gold band between stone tiles?
Animated burning torches is good, but they are purely decorative. Animated workshops.... unattainable dream.
Post by: Meph on May 10, 2018, 12:41:46 pm
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When save and load fort, their position does not change?... I had to test that.
It looks consistent between saving/loading, but there are artefacts if you play without redraw_all 1, IF you scroll and the position of the old tile lands on a new tile that has the same tile number. Complicated, so an example: There are 10 wall tiles next to each other on grass, I scroll to the left. The display moves 5 tiles to the left. In relation to the viewer, 5 of the wall tiles are now where grass was, and 5 of the wall tiles are now were the other 5 wall tiles were.
These 5 tiles might display the old tile, until you scroll away and back.
It' nothing new, TWBT had this bug for a long time; usually noticeable on larger stockpile sections or ice.
Post by: Meph on May 10, 2018, 12:58:12 pm
Animated workshops.... unattainable dream.
Clearly impossible.
(https://i.imgur.com/5FxDrGz.gif)
Oh, no, wait, I meant clearly possible.
Post by: db48x on May 10, 2018, 01:02:30 pm
Post by: Vordak on May 10, 2018, 01:04:49 pm
Oh, no, wait, I meant clearly possible.It's from the game or photoshop?)))
P.S. I'd better continue to deal with creatures, with buildings every day something new.
Post by: Meph on May 10, 2018, 01:10:02 pm
Japa uploaded a new TWBT version with overrides like:
[OVERRIDE:152:B:WORKSHOP_CUSTOM:Workshop:SOAP_MAKER:_MDF_overrides_5:S:3:205:206:207:16] .
[OVERRIDE:155:B:WORKSHOP_CUSTOM:Workshop:SOAP_MAKER:_MDF_overrides_5:S:3:221:222:223:16]
The new stuff is the S:3:x:x:x. It works like this:
S = Sequence (animation). (Other options are R = random and A for animated/random)
3 = the number of different tiles I want to use.
:x:x:x = the three tiles.
I can also do: S:20:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x:x or R:2:x:x.
Here is a test by Japa:
Spoiler: proof of concept (click to show/hide)
And the TWBT file: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13723 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13723)
Edit: Curse you Japa, now I have to learn how to properly draw animated frames and make a million more sprites. :P
Post by: Mrok Girl on May 10, 2018, 06:29:51 pm
I personally would like to see random tiles on engraved stone walls and floor, but not on non-engraved smoothed ones and not on constructed ones. Or, at lest, not big differences - I'm conflicted about the gold wall because I love the detailing but the lack of symmetry is painful. I may be able to rationalise that though because we can't 'engrave' a constructed wall, so that might be a substitute for it, so crack on with that for gold and silver, I guess :) Small cracks and changes in colour for floor would be great, randomly chosen coffins and statues also would be great. Maybe small differences in cabinets and coffers? I usually only place one in each room of a regular dwarf, so it wouldn't annoy my symmetry sense if they were different in different rooms. Random bookcases? And while we're at it, can you make bookcases that are actually filled with books or will that look too busy? My libraries look weird with all those bookcases but no books in them. I don't suppose you can make the game change the sprite to a filled bookshelf when books, quires, scrolls, or codices are put inside a bookcase, can you?
Love the animated workshops, and love the look of that minecraft dwarfy art you used in the gold pack. I still want to contribute, and as soon as I get some time and an idea I totally will - this is just too good to pass on. I'm thinking of some female dwarf statues and coffins, and pondering the glass constructions and furniture.
Post by: Meph on May 11, 2018, 04:11:42 am
- Engrave rock block.
- Engrave gold bar.
- Engrave whatever construction material.
Then build the wall with that to show engravings. This gives people both the option to completely ignore engravings by not having any; and the ability to place them exactly where they like. And it doesn't affect game balance.
Post by: Meph on May 11, 2018, 04:51:13 am
(https://i.imgur.com/YHuAQMK.png)
Post by: Rose on May 11, 2018, 05:14:51 am
Post by: Meph on May 11, 2018, 05:15:45 am
Edit: Semimolten rock before and after:
(https://i.imgur.com/MSQUVMf.png)
and animated:
(https://i.imgur.com/An1v39k.gif)
Post by: Mrok Girl on May 11, 2018, 06:36:56 am
Post by: Hommit on May 11, 2018, 06:51:14 am
Too chaotic? (Bars and blocks)don't mind it, but really doesn't see the point in this
imo, different bar sizes should somehow reflect quantity of objects, which isn't applicable to bars in the first place...
btw, what about different base gold color someone mentioned (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161047.msg7756753#msg7756753)on prev page?
Post by: Meph on May 11, 2018, 07:12:13 am
I can change the gold color values; atm they are exactly how they were in the Dokucraft Dwarven texture pack. It's trivial to make them a bit stronger/darker.
Gotta admit, I really do like these new features:
(https://i.imgur.com/yKRFDxM.png)
Post by: Hommit on May 11, 2018, 07:34:28 am
I guess it looks a bit prettier/more realistic if the items look slightly different from each other, and not perfectly the same.maaaaybee...
how about this: each bars plie must have say 6 tiny bars, but the distribution of the small bars is different. because, well, it's not really logical to use 2 "small" bars or 7 for the same item.
blocks too: you made them too different in size. maybe keep size constant (or, atleast, volume) and vary position on the tile? you just did that with boulders @ the image above
Post by: Meph on May 11, 2018, 07:36:38 am
Rough gems, before/after:
(https://i.imgur.com/WxY4tJe.png)
Post by: Meph on May 11, 2018, 07:50:00 am
(https://i.imgur.com/cdoK0Dp.png)
Post by: Hommit on May 11, 2018, 08:15:40 am
(missed one - bottom line, 3rd from the left)
Post by: Meph on May 11, 2018, 09:02:08 am
Also: River and ponds. (Water in other areas is not animated like that)
(https://i.imgur.com/cEW6cKa.gif)
Post by: db48x on May 11, 2018, 10:59:00 am
(https://i.imgur.com/yKRFDxM.png)
This is especially awesome.
Post by: mifki on May 11, 2018, 11:07:41 am
Edit: Curse you Japa, now I have to learn how to properly draw animated frames and make a million more sprites. :P
Oh, ok, now we'll hit the texture size limit pretty quickly I'm afraid, need to start working on that problem I guess...
Post by: Vordak on May 11, 2018, 11:23:55 am
Here is need other "my" boulders, -top tiles is not painted.
(https://i.imgur.com/zdSWXaZ.png)
If needed, I can draw variations for the remains, but you have to decide how much for one tile.
With such innovation there is a problem - It is extremely difficult to sketch all 256 tiles, some of their need it is necessary to leave empty - otherwise there will be confusion.
P.S. mifki in principle about this and writes in previous post.
Post by: Hommit on May 11, 2018, 12:12:26 pm
Also: River and ponds. (Water in other areas is not animated like that)hmm... is it gif bug or an one frame missed at the end of rivers animation?
Post by: Meph on May 11, 2018, 12:45:46 pm
Its just the end of the gif. Ingame it's smooth.Also: River and ponds. (Water in other areas is not animated like that)hmm... is it gif bug or an one frame missed at the end of rivers animation?
Random similar variations of one item is good, but I think they should not be shifted to the right or left or upside down (especially noticeable on blocks).I tought shifting them a bit left/right and up/down makes them appear more natural/less repetitive, without forcing more information on the player. They will still recognize the item (because it's the same sprite), but it's not perfectly-super square like before. It's also easy to do on mass. ;)
Here is need other "my" boulders, -top tiles is not painted.
(https://i.imgur.com/zdSWXaZ.png)
If needed, I can draw variations for the remains, but you have to decide how much for one tile.
With such innovation there is a problem - It is extremely difficult to sketch all 256 tiles, some of their need it is necessary to leave empty - otherwise there will be confusion.
P.S. mifki in principle about this and writes in previous post.
I'll send you a PM about that...Edit: Curse you Japa, now I have to learn how to properly draw animated frames and make a million more sprites. :P
Oh, ok, now we'll hit the texture size limit pretty quickly I'm afraid, need to start working on that problem I guess...
Post by: db48x on May 11, 2018, 02:06:35 pm
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if (tt >= df::tiletype::ConstructedPillar && tt <= df::tiletype::ConstructedWallLR) {
tt = df::tiletype::ConstructedPillar;
for (int j = -1, n = 7; j <= 1; j++) {
for (int i = -1; i <= 1; i++) {
if (!(i == 0 && j == 0)) {
walkmask |= DFHack::isWalkable(get_tiletype(xx+i, yy+j, zz)) << n--;
}
}
}
}
Then the tileset can specify a wall tile to use in each of the 256 combinations of walkable neighbors. Naturally, the same can be done for other wall types.
Post by: Meph on May 11, 2018, 07:00:56 pm
Post by: db48x on May 11, 2018, 08:02:54 pm
db48x: What?
How can I rephrase it?
Post by: Rose on May 11, 2018, 09:28:41 pm
Post by: db48x on May 12, 2018, 12:18:04 am
He means do with rough walls what we can already do with smooth walls.
Not quite. I want to extend what can be done with smooth/constructed walls. The code is written and works, but I don't have the overrides set up to do a demo. Here is a crude mockup instead:
currently:
(http://db48x.net/temp/twbt idea before.png)
with some additional overrides:
(http://db48x.net/temp/twbt idea after.png)
Post by: Dahrk on May 12, 2018, 02:19:26 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 12, 2018, 05:11:43 am
this will be awesome!He means do with rough walls what we can already do with smooth walls.
Not quite. I want to extend what can be done with smooth/constructed walls. The code is written and works, but I don't have the overrides set up to do a demo. Here is a crude mockup instead:
currently:
(http://db48x.net/temp/twbt idea before.png)
with some additional overrides:
(http://db48x.net/temp/twbt idea after.png)
Post by: Meph on May 12, 2018, 06:02:05 am
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256 combinations of walkable neighbors.Do you want to murder me?
Post by: Hommit on May 12, 2018, 08:08:40 am
Do you want to murder me?maybe, Japa can do it with some kind of black mask?
like, tile = wall && mask...
or flood-fill with rgb(0,0,0) half a tile
Post by: Rose on May 12, 2018, 08:10:02 am
Post by: Meph on May 12, 2018, 11:00:43 am
Post by: Nefarian on May 12, 2018, 11:32:31 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 12, 2018, 12:31:33 pm
Hiding half the tile neighboring hidden areas the same way the multi-level shadow is done currently wouldn't be too bad.hiding the lower 1/4 of the above tile would absolutely be enough.
Post by: db48x on May 12, 2018, 02:07:29 pm
Hiding half the tile neighboring hidden areas the same way the multi-level shadow is done currently wouldn't be too bad.hiding the lower 1/4 of the above tile would absolutely be enough.
Hiding part of the tile is an implementation method that I hadn't really considered. It could certainly work.
However, I have an actual demo now:
(http://db48x.net/temp/twbt idea demo.png)
This is using Meph's tileset plus some additional overrides:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm no artist, so I didn't try to make completely new tiles to use here; I just reused the existing ones.
The mask is currently 8 bits wide, with one bit per neighbor. The bit is a 1 if the tile is walkable, and a 0 otherwise. This is not quite the right test (I'm sure you'll be able to think of a few ways it will go wrong), but it was easy to implement; it's easy enough to write a better test now that we have something to play with. Also, one bit per neighbor might not be enough (it can't distinguish between a neighbor which is smooth and a neighbor which is raw stone, for one thing).
The code is here: https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt/pull/82
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 12, 2018, 03:05:00 pm
Post by: db48x on May 12, 2018, 04:10:17 pm
what i meant was what if the top of each full height tile overlappen with the lowest 1/4 of the tile to the north?
That might also be made to work. It would require that TWBT allow tiles to spill outside the current tile size, and that it sort them correctly. Make a mockup and see how it works :)
Post by: Meph on May 12, 2018, 07:08:53 pm
Post by: db48x on May 12, 2018, 08:17:51 pm
db48x: That does look interesting, especially if I don't necessarily have to make more tiles/sprites. Could you upload the TWBT plugin and a little how-to, if you find the time?
I can only build it on Linux, but here you go: http://db48x.net/temp/twbt.plug.so
The only difference is that all overrides have an extra parameter for the mask, and you can leave it blank if you want the override to apply for all masks: tile:T:type:walkmask:tileset:newtile:fg:bg. Put overries with a specific mask before overrides that match any mask.
Post by: RadGH on May 13, 2018, 12:30:40 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I noticed it through I think it was a cat corpse in a refuse pile, had a white line along the bottom of its skeleton tile (confirmed (https://radleysustaire.com/s3/yvkmx)). It's in _MDF_trees.png, bottom right.
EDIT:
Also, why is marble green in the new version? Particularly marble doors. Using Phoebus palette.
Post by: Setari on May 13, 2018, 12:53:28 am
Post by: Nimrod on May 13, 2018, 01:07:14 am
Any chance to get the barebones set with all your newest additions - it still seems to be v2.3?
Or, of course, a 44.10 "with all things pre-installed" version :)
cheers
Post by: Vordak on May 13, 2018, 05:28:54 am
Tiny bug report. I noticed these four whatever-they-are aren't on the grid:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
_MDF_trees.png:Also tiles of waterwheel shifted to 1 pixel up in _MDF_trees.png.
in _MDF_trees.png all remain tiles shifted to 1 pixel to up regarding such tiles in -top\bg. - mistake in main png.
Meph_32x32.png:
in Meph_32x32.png tile of remain (tile #253) shifted to 1 pixel to left regarding such tiles in -top\bg. - mistake in main png.
In all Meph_32x32.png(-top\bg) on coffin tile (#64) there is an unwanted translucent line on the right side.
Post by: Qrox on May 13, 2018, 08:30:49 am
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[OVERRIDE:43:T:MineralFloorSmooth:_MDF_overrides_6:234]Which makes smoothed mineral floors (which can appear after using the dfhack command 'fixveins') appear as northwestern walls.Edit: Found more issues about the graphic overrides.
1. MineralWallWorn1~3 & MineralStairU/D/UD are using the wrong sprites like MineralFloorSmooth;
2. StoneWallSmoothLRUD is rendered too dark; (It uses the sprite in _MDF_items.png while other smoothed stone walls use the sprites in _MDF_decorations_3.png)
Post by: Manveru Taurënér on May 13, 2018, 04:17:47 pm
Too chaotic? (Bars and blocks)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Shouldn't there be multiple blocks per tile stacked in a similar manner to the bars? (seeing as they're carved into 4 smaller blocks per boulder). Also feels kind of weird to have them differ that much in size imo.
Could one also perhaps make the more neatly stacked bar graphic more common throughout, to give a sliiightly more ordered appearance? (maybe it's just me tho imagining dwarves to be a bit more ordered than that). Amazing work anyhow ^^
Post by: funkydwarf on May 13, 2018, 05:26:21 pm
In other words we should embrace chaos when we can visually because so much tends towards order already.
Post by: Manveru Taurënér on May 14, 2018, 04:35:23 am
Its way more interesting to look at with the variation in size of blocks and more varied bar stack sizes. I think in a computer game, especially a block based one, things can get very repetitive and patern-y quickly, and even if it makes more "sense" for blocks to be the same and smaller and orderly, it just looks way better to not.
In other words we should embrace chaos when we can visually because so much tends towards order already.
I didn't say I'd prefer to have the blocks be all the same, there's obviously a balance to be struck between complete chaos and complete order but let's just agree to disagree ^^
Post by: Meph on May 14, 2018, 11:46:12 am
Edit: I think the variety works well with webs too:
(https://i.imgur.com/wrvtCil.png)
Post by: Meph on May 14, 2018, 04:39:48 pm
Mock-up:
(https://i.imgur.com/az1YxCV.png)
I'll leave "special" materials like obsidian or marble or gold statues alone, that way players can still decorate with symmetry, if they like.
What do you think?
Post by: Mrok Girl on May 14, 2018, 05:09:31 pm
Also, love the spiderwebs :)
Post by: Vordak on May 14, 2018, 05:20:29 pm
What do you think?I think the high dwarven art is antagonist for ungodly realism - only totem-like and other abstractions.
And now seriously - yet there must be a clear difference for a dwarf and his statue - especially when consider, that the legendary dwarves are blinking gray.
It's only my opinion.
Post by: RadGH on May 14, 2018, 09:53:36 pm
Is there or will there be a way to disable the random tiles? Hopefully with an option to keep animated water/magma (although I am still worried that will get annoying, haven't tried it yet).
Post by: db48x on May 14, 2018, 10:24:12 pm
Post by: Rose on May 14, 2018, 10:46:47 pm
Certainly tons of sprites. Every creature, plant, and shape, is a possible candidate.
Post by: Meph on May 15, 2018, 01:08:29 am
Now I'm wondering what it'd take to be able to show what's actually on the statues.Too many. Statues can show entire stories, not only every creature/object, but a combination of them, and in combination with a posture/gesture, or a historical event. Far too many options.
Certainly tons of sprites. Every creature, plant, and shape, is a possible candidate.
I think the random variance of tiles is getting out of hand, honestly. Water and magma were OK, but webs and statues being randomized isn't something I would want. I like symmetry and consistency. Your work looks great Meph, but it's just not something I would want to turn on. At this point it would kind of be a dealbreaker in my choice to use the tileset :(The random selection comes from a single line in the overrides txt, it would be easy to disable. I can kinda understand that you dislike statues not looking the same, but why webs? Their design is consistent, but you won't find perfectly symmetrical spider webs in RL.
Is there or will there be a way to disable the random tiles? Hopefully with an option to keep animated water/magma (although I am still worried that will get annoying, haven't tried it yet).
Being grey, unmoving, non-blinking and with a socket should put the statues apart from dwarves. I kinda like the idea that they look similar, since dwarves are great craftsmen and their statues probably look really well made. And you made 216 extra military/undead/skeleton dwarves, which are never used anywhere, plus the evil dwarves... I could easily use 256 dwarven sprites that never made it ingame so far.What do you think?I think the high dwarven art is antagonist for ungodly realism - only totem-like and other abstractions.
And now seriously - yet there must be a clear difference for a dwarf and his statue - especially when consider, that the legendary dwarves are blinking gray.
It's only my opinion.
That sounds like a good idea! Would that mean that you'll use the other statue sprites for other materials and have only the stone one be randomised?Yes, that's the idea. Stone statues can be mass produced, and they get the new feature of different looks, while people that like symmetry (like Radgh) can use other materials to get uniform statues that look the same.
Also, love the spiderwebs :)
Post by: Rose on May 15, 2018, 02:21:56 am
Actually, artwork simply contains a list of images and the connections between them. One could just show the first image in the list. It'd be an incomplete picture, but it'd be something.Now I'm wondering what it'd take to be able to show what's actually on the statues.Too many. Statues can show entire stories, not only every creature/object, but a combination of them, and in combination with a posture/gesture, or a historical event. Far too many options.
Certainly tons of sprites. Every creature, plant, and shape, is a possible candidate.
But it's still way too many images.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 15, 2018, 02:42:57 am
remember your mayor in a fearful pose surrounded by lizards? would possibly result in just a dwarven statue of him without the lizards and no pose visible.Actually, artwork simply contains a list of images and the connections between them. One could just show the first image in the list. It'd be an incomplete picture, but it'd be something.Now I'm wondering what it'd take to be able to show what's actually on the statues.Too many. Statues can show entire stories, not only every creature/object, but a combination of them, and in combination with a posture/gesture, or a historical event. Far too many options.
Certainly tons of sprites. Every creature, plant, and shape, is a possible candidate.
But it's still way too many images.
Post by: Meph on May 15, 2018, 03:32:15 am
(https://i.imgur.com/4InYHMA.png)
And statue tileset:
(https://i.imgur.com/a7sJeOI.png)
Edit: Optional.
(https://i.imgur.com/k1J5ikP.png)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 15, 2018, 05:03:51 am
how can i edit the rock walls to always drop an item? is there a way to edit them without changing your overrides?
when i carve away a mountain to build a tower, i barely get any stone for building. it feels like only every fourth tile drops anything at all.
Post by: Meph on May 15, 2018, 05:07:25 am
i hope this is not an inappropriate question:That has nothing to do with tilesets and you can't change that at all. There will always be a 25% chance. From the wiki: "Mining a rock tile leaves behind a loose stone (or just "stone") roughly 25% of the time". Can't be modded.
how can i edit the rock walls to always drop an item? is there a way to edit them without changing your overrides?
when i carve away a mountain to build a tower, i barely get any stone for building. it feels like only every fourth tile drops anything at all.
But you can make a reaction that takes 1 boulder and splits it into more blocks than just 4.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 15, 2018, 05:17:35 am
hmmm okay.i hope this is not an inappropriate question:That has nothing to do with tilesets and you can't change that at all. There will always be a 25% chance. From the wiki: "Mining a rock tile leaves behind a loose stone (or just "stone") roughly 25% of the time". Can't be modded.
how can i edit the rock walls to always drop an item? is there a way to edit them without changing your overrides?
when i carve away a mountain to build a tower, i barely get any stone for building. it feels like only every fourth tile drops anything at all.
But you can make a reaction that takes 1 boulder and splits it into more blocks than just 4.
Post by: mifki on May 15, 2018, 06:00:14 am
Post by: Meph on May 15, 2018, 06:27:33 am
Edit: Varied soil and root tiles:
(https://i.imgur.com/tLjeD4d.png)
Post by: Meph on May 15, 2018, 07:36:52 am
(https://i.imgur.com/xdPdUyW.png)
<<< ☼Download☼ - Meph Pack incl. Tileset V3 for DF 44.09 - WINDOWS >>> (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Comes pre-installed with df, dfhack, twbt, a custom LNP, 12+ utilities like Therapist, Soundsense and more.
VARIETY UPDATE!
First of all: I fixed the moved pixels, the wrong overrides (mineralstairs/floors) and the occasional odd color on trees/wood.
And now, I present to you two completely new features:
Animations
I can now animate sprites ingame, which I tested on water and magma. It requires TWBT redraw_all 1, which might affect FPS or cause instability... so if you experience any issues, just turn it off in the Meph Launcher.exe. I added a button that says "Animation" on the first page.
Magma:
(https://i.imgur.com/1vrDKfJ.gif)
Semi-Molten Rock:
(https://i.imgur.com/5OYvymH.gif)
Pools:
(https://i.imgur.com/JMIrXNl.gif)
Rivers (with 4 directions for the animation):
(https://i.imgur.com/KqnYFJn.gif)
- Variety
Identical terrain and objects can now pick a random sprite from a pre-set selection. This means that we can avoid the super-copy-pasted look by adding a bit of variety. I tested it with the rocks on the surface, webs, soil, rock walls, roots, blocks, bars, boulders and statues. The statues are optional and can be disabled with one click in the launcher.
Rock wall, before and after:
(https://i.imgur.com/rSBIRZx.png)
Soil and Roots:
(https://i.imgur.com/VLpzo3B.png)
Bars and Blocks:
(https://i.imgur.com/rYDr5Nl.png)
Webs (I added 3 more since the screenshot was taken):
(https://i.imgur.com/dvayIM4.png)
Statues (yes, that's 256 of them, based on the dwarf sprites of Vordak)
(https://i.imgur.com/GsrunDK.png)
I haven't mentioned it in quite a while, due to my long absence last year, but you can support this tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph).
Have fun testing everything and I hope you enjoy the update. :)
(It's still on 44.09, because the custom TWBT version has not been updated yet.)
Post by: Mrok Girl on May 15, 2018, 11:30:29 am
Anyway, what do you think about it?
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Calanndra/quickie/dots.jpg)
Post by: waterphage13 on May 15, 2018, 11:41:47 am
[TILESET:TIER_2.png:TIER_2.png:tier2]
[OVERRIDE:133:T:SoilWall:tier2:R:0:1:2:3]
[OVERRIDE:133:T:MineralWall:tier2:R:0:1:2:3]
[OVERRIDE:133:T:StoneWall:tier2:R:0:1:2:3]
[OVERRIDE:176:T:SoilWall:tier2:R:4:5:6:7]
[OVERRIDE:177:T:SoilWall:tier2:R:8:9:10:11]
[OVERRIDE:141:T:SoilWall:tier2:R:12:13:14:15]
[OVERRIDE:157:T:SoilWall:tier2:R:16:17:18:19]
[OVERRIDE:157:T:MineralWall:tier2:R:16:17:18:19]
[OVERRIDE:157:T:StoneWall:tier2:R:16:17:18:19]
[OVERRIDE:131:T:SoilWall:tier2:R:20:21:22:23]
[OVERRIDE:131:T:MineralWall:tier2:R:20:21:22:23]
[OVERRIDE:131:T:StoneWall:tier2:R:20:21:22:23]
[OVERRIDE:137:T:MineralWall:tier2:R:24:25:26:27]
[OVERRIDE:132:T:MineralWall:tier2:R:28:29:30:31]
[OVERRIDE:138:T:MineralWall:tier2:R:32:33:34:35]
[OVERRIDE:134:T:MineralWall:tier2:R:36:37:38:39]
[OVERRIDE:139:T:MineralWall:tier2:R:40:41:42:43]
[OVERRIDE:137:T:StoneWall:tier2:R:24:25:26:27]
[OVERRIDE:132:T:StoneWall:tier2:R:28:29:30:31]
[OVERRIDE:138:T:StoneWall:tier2:R:32:33:34:35]
[OVERRIDE:134:T:StoneWall:tier2:R:36:37:38:39]
[OVERRIDE:139:T:StoneWall:tier2:R:40:41:42:43]
Post by: Rose on May 15, 2018, 12:04:58 pm
Post by: waterphage13 on May 15, 2018, 12:05:19 pm
After the R, you need to have the number of variants, then the varients themselves.Thanks
Post by: mifki on May 15, 2018, 04:34:56 pm
If you refer to the screenshot, some of them are made of dark rock (granite), others of bright rock (quartzite).
No I meant the statue tileset, but in your last post I see you made them brighter now.
Post by: db48x on May 16, 2018, 02:25:34 pm
Post by: funkydwarf on May 16, 2018, 03:42:13 pm
Post by: Meph on May 16, 2018, 04:31:31 pm
Alas, I didn't get any animations or random tiles when I generated a new world. I don't even see _MDF_alternates.png mentioned in a TILESET rule in overrides.txt.Did you change anything in the launcher before you started the new version? There was a bug with an old overrides.txt, but I thought I fixed that for good.
Post by: db48x on May 16, 2018, 05:32:19 pm
Did you change anything in the launcher before you started the new version? There was a bug with an old overrides.txt, but I thought I fixed that for good.
I did check a few checkboxes, but "Animations" is still checked.
Post by: Thoth1972 on May 17, 2018, 07:04:33 pm
Post by: db48x on May 17, 2018, 07:37:35 pm
Did you change anything in the launcher before you started the new version? There was a bug with an old overrides.txt, but I thought I fixed that for good.
I did check a few checkboxes, but "Animations" is still checked.
Ok, I figured it out. All three of the copies of overrides.txt in the TilesetExtras directory are from an earlier version. At some point I must have activated the dropdown box for the tileset size, causing it to overwrite the new file with the older file.
I extracted the new overrides.txt from the rar file and overwrote the old file with it, so now I have the new features.
Post by: deathpunch578 on May 18, 2018, 01:14:57 pm
Post by: jecowa on May 18, 2018, 03:48:23 pm
I also see that the EGGPLANT color was removed from descriptor color standard in v3. I'm guessing that was an accident.
Post by: Meph on May 18, 2018, 04:21:16 pm
I notice "twbt redraw_all" is enabled by default in V3. I was just wondering if this was intentional.Intentional, it's needed for the animations. I wanted people to test them. So far no negative comments about the animations themselves, but 2 reports about crashes by people on Reddit. Next update I'll have to turn it off again, since it still causes instability. :/ At least I know that I wont work on animations any time soon.
I also see that the EGGPLANT color was removed from descriptor color standard in v3. I'm guessing that was an accident.
Eggplant was one of Dragonmasters colors. When I added his colors, I didn't fully understand how the numeration works. Now I do. Eggplant was deleted on purpose, it's not in vanilla DF.
Post by: RadGH on May 18, 2018, 04:22:55 pm
Post by: jecowa on May 18, 2018, 05:29:33 pm
Post by: Meph on May 18, 2018, 06:41:32 pm
It looks like Eggplant was added around DF v0.40.oh. I have so many versions flying around... my mistake.
Post by: db48x on May 19, 2018, 06:28:15 am
So far no negative comments about the animations themselves, but 2 reports about crashes by people on Reddit. Next update I'll have to turn it off again, since it still causes instability. :/ At least I know that I wont work on animations any time soon.
I've had it crash too, but it also crashed occasionally in the previous versions.
Post by: evill555 on May 19, 2018, 03:56:36 pm
Post by: db48x on May 20, 2018, 05:16:51 am
I've had it crash too, but it also crashed occasionally in the previous versions.
Although I've been playing with it on Linux and have not had it crash except when I accidentally introduced a bug.
Post by: IlFedaykin on May 20, 2018, 08:22:55 am
24p Tileset seems to have a misalignment issue. It happens to a large variety of tiles and it is even more obvious when they change (e.g. in animations or grass).
The work you guys did is amazing, anyway. It doesn't even seem the same game anymore!
Post by: Meph on May 20, 2018, 08:46:35 am
Post by: IlFedaykin on May 20, 2018, 09:32:19 am
By the way: is this how candyland is supposed to look like?
(https://imgur.com/d5OfiJ6.jpg)
Post by: Meph on May 20, 2018, 09:44:25 am
Post by: IlFedaykin on May 20, 2018, 10:20:26 am
EDIT: nope. Did i do something stupid with the settings? (Decorations are turned off)
(https://imgur.com/NVeYZtb.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/GKuj9sB.jpg)
By the way didn't you introduce varied wall tiles?
Post by: Meph on May 20, 2018, 01:26:56 pm
Post by: Morwaul on May 20, 2018, 09:45:08 pm
Also, I love what you are doing here. Found it when looking for Masterwork after a couple years of not playing.
(https://preview.ibb.co/gimc88/DFSettings.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iXWoFo)
Post by: Meph on May 20, 2018, 10:55:59 pm
I really have to re-upload this version with animations off by default and a warning. :/
Edit: Caynez/Anevis on Deviantart just gave the ok to use his item sprites for this set. :) Here a preview:
(https://orig00.deviantart.net/439b/f/2014/144/e/e/ee431169463a125d05f635f15fe3ee9c-d7jjqyt.png)
(https://orig00.deviantart.net/dd4e/f/2013/187/d/e/iron_set_by_anevis-d6c7q8u.png)
(https://orig00.deviantart.net/9ac6/f/2015/011/e/2/cheetah_set_by_caynez-d8dhgxx.png)
(https://orig00.deviantart.net/5ebd/f/2014/044/5/6/pixel_swords_small_pack_by_caynez-d769egr.png)
This means we can have some rudimentary designs for different materials on armors and weapons.
Post by: Hommit on May 21, 2018, 01:16:56 am
This means we can have some rudimentary designs for different materials on armors and weapons.Have you looked up Terraria?
Post by: jecowa on May 21, 2018, 01:17:57 am
IlFedaykin: Yeah, the 16 and 24x sets I downscaled in Photoshop, but it didn't quite work, because the -bg and -top files don't fit exactly. Since I use so much transparency, these versions really shouldnt be used anymore. It's easier to play with 32x and zoom out.
Alternatively, in the Terminal window enter "twbt tilesize 24 24" or "twbt tilesize 16 16".
Post by: IlFedaykin on May 21, 2018, 08:03:59 am
That's good to know, thanks....
Alternatively, in the Terminal window enter "twbt tilesize 24 24" or "twbt tilesize 16 16".
On a side note: I've been playing a bit with twbt redraw disabled and it still crashes multiple times in the same season. Not much going on, starting 7 dwarves only.
Post by: Meph on May 21, 2018, 08:33:45 am
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On a side note: I've been playing a bit with twbt redraw disabled and it still crashes multiple times in the same season. Not much going on, starting 7 dwarves only.That's odd. When does it crash? Care to upload a save?
Post by: IlFedaykin on May 21, 2018, 08:52:45 am
Here you go!
Post by: Meph on May 21, 2018, 09:25:51 am
Post by: IlFedaykin on May 21, 2018, 09:58:08 am
EDIT: it took me about 50 seconds to crash it while rescaling. It may very well be the reason, any ideas on how to test it for sure?
EDIT2: Since i stopped rescaling it only crashed once, so there is a good chance the two things are strongly correlated.
Post by: db48x on May 23, 2018, 12:50:28 am
I wasn't placing new farm plots, just planting seeds... maybe the ingame rescaling of tileset? I know it gets grumpy when you abuse of it, as if it requires too many resources or something...
EDIT: it took me about 50 seconds to crash it while rescaling. It may very well be the reason, any ideas on how to test it for sure?
EDIT2: Since i stopped rescaling it only crashed once, so there is a good chance the two things are strongly correlated.
I didn't see any crashes at all with this save file. Whatever's causing the crash, it's not very reproducible.
Post by: Meph on May 23, 2018, 04:23:03 am
Post by: Baleur on May 24, 2018, 10:56:21 am
I didnt manage to get my own colorscheme to look good with this pack (i created it for phoebus back in the day, havent played DF in a long time).
And i didnt manage to get any of the alternative seasonal color packs to work. How come the launcher has no dropdown list to choose those?
I must say though, your Meph Thick font is one of the most incredibly readable clear fonts i've ever seen in DF. It's a game-changer.
Edit: here is my colorscheme, feel free to include in the pack if you like it sufficently. Yes its a hodgepodge of 2 others :D
I loved the muddy parts of some, and vibrant colors of others, but muted them a bit.
I absolutely love to have black be a dark brown, makes the whole UI and mining feel a bit more muddy and warm.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Baleur on May 24, 2018, 01:48:41 pm
IlFedaykin: Yeah, the 16 and 24x sets I downscaled in Photoshop, but it didn't quite work, because the -bg and -top files don't fit exactly. Since I use so much transparency, these versions really shouldnt be used anymore. It's easier to play with 32x and zoom out.
Alternatively, in the Terminal window enter "twbt tilesize 24 24" or "twbt tilesize 16 16".
Thats almost perfect for what i want (i feel 32x is a bit too big on my 1080p monitor).
The only problem (if Meph is reading) is that the transparency of some stuff like bags, barrels, rocks etc gets a tiny 1 pixel blue outline when zooming out or in.
Is there any way to fix this?
Also, there's a mismatch between the default DF install folder and the Meph32 tileset folder.
Because i started a game without changing anything, looks great had nice wooden floors etc. Then i switched to 24x and back to 32x (to get it to re-apply the pack from the folder), booted up the game and noticed my wooden floors now look like gray squares, and barrels had a different icon.
Which is the latest, the default DF folder pre-installed Meph32, or the launcher folder Meph32 you have to manually get to re-apply?
I guess some RAW's changed and thats why my wooden floors are now gray? Also noticed all my stone walls are the same color (slate, granite etc) in the pre-installed graphics. Aren't they supposed to be different colors?
Post by: jecowa on May 27, 2018, 03:53:41 am
Post by: Meph on June 08, 2018, 07:16:44 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on June 09, 2018, 04:22:40 pm
Not much going on here, I guess everything is alright, or everyone is playing 44.10 instead. :Dor not getting your newer releases running properly on the linux LNP...
Post by: xyzzy on June 11, 2018, 01:28:38 pm
Post by: DizzyCrash on June 16, 2018, 05:34:38 pm
Also the water doesnt look as nice as it does in the animated pictures or the weapons... am i doing something wrong?
Post by: McOrigin on June 22, 2018, 07:04:17 am
First post on this forums just to let you know how awesome your tileset and pack is!
There are some things which I am not so sure about, maybe someone may clarify this:
1. In "World Gen." settings in the "Areas" box I set "Evil Areas" and Good Areas" to <0:0:0> but could not get any effect on world generation. Changing it to <1:1:0> seems to make a difference but not as I expected. Are those number "Tiles" or "Areas" or kind of "Percentage"?
I tried to get rid of Evil and Good Biomes entirely.
2. The "Tileset Legend" seems to be outdated or something is wrong with my game here:
-Petrified wood is shown as "Bricks"
-The table is looking way different than expected or shown in the legend.
-Flux stone like marble or chalk are rendered as "Rock 3" but with a blurry patch on it. Not as clear as "Flux" in the "Legend - Mail Tileset.png".
-Gem Stones are clearly not rendered as shown in the legend, with number of gems telling the value.
-All kind of Ores are .. I don't know .. hard to distinguish. I see the reference to the legend but it's hard to tell ingame which is what.
Maybe this is an issue with my screen resolution? Playing on 1920x1200 but read a 4k resolution is recommended. I tried the 24x24 version earlier but had to redownload and start with a clean version due to the blue and green outlines.
I might even consider to buy a new monitor just to play DF with this tileset, so great it is.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on June 22, 2018, 01:49:58 pm
Still loving your work meph! i still hope someone will write a linux version of your launcher soon.
Post by: McOrigin on June 22, 2018, 03:17:18 pm
When I hit "Play Dwarf Fortress" I receive a warning in the DF Hack Console regarding TWBT:
"Warning: Plugin twbt compiled for DFHack 0.44.09-r1-2-g0ea35a6e, running DFHack 0.44.09-r1-0-gb6311ec6"
I assume, while having no clue, that there is an incompatibility here. May that cause the wrong overrides and has nobody really experienced this before? Is there any way to fix this for a noob like me?
Just for reference how much of a noob I am: I browsed the filed in the "\Dwarf Fortress\data" and could not even find the tiles shown ingame..
Post by: Rose on June 22, 2018, 11:06:48 pm
That warning is harmless.
Post by: DorfMeister on June 24, 2018, 10:16:15 am
Post by: Darkond2100 on June 24, 2018, 08:12:19 pm
Post by: db48x on June 25, 2018, 02:32:04 am
ETA for update to 44.10? dfhack r2 has been released.
I was able to use this tileset with 0.44.10 a few weeks ago by building DFHack and TWBT for it, and then copying the raws, graphics, settings, and so on from the 0.44.09 download. This is certainly something you could do yourself.
Post by: Meph on June 25, 2018, 06:43:23 am
Currently Biking/Climbing/Flying the highest mountain in every country in Europe, See my Facebook or the (rather empty) highpointride.com.
I do carry a tablet with me, but i dont have much down time to program anything. :/
Post by: McOrigin on June 27, 2018, 11:53:31 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on June 27, 2018, 02:19:59 pm
Now I am a little bit jealous. Just a little bit. Enjoy your trip!now that you said it - i'm jealous too!
Post by: Darkond2100 on June 28, 2018, 06:38:49 pm
I'm interested. DFHack for 0.44.11 juust released. How do I do this?ETA for update to 44.10? dfhack r2 has been released.
I was able to use this tileset with 0.44.10 a few weeks ago by building DFHack and TWBT for it, and then copying the raws, graphics, settings, and so on from the 0.44.09 download. This is certainly something you could do yourself.
Post by: db48x on June 29, 2018, 02:51:08 pm
I'm interested. DFHack for 0.44.11 juust released. How do I do this?ETA for update to 44.10? dfhack r2 has been released.
I was able to use this tileset with 0.44.10 a few weeks ago by building DFHack and TWBT for it, and then copying the raws, graphics, settings, and so on from the 0.44.09 download. This is certainly something you could do yourself.
Get a fresh copy of 0.44.11. Clone the DFHack source code (https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/), and build and install it according to its instructions, making sure you tell it where your DF is located. Clone a copy of the TWBT source code (https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt), then build and install it according to its instructions. It will need to know where your DF and your DFHack are. Then copy the DF config files and graphics from a previous release of Meph's tileset into your DF installation. Make sure you get the overrides.txt, since that's what tells TWBT which tiles to use for which things, and the dfhack.init script, which turns on TWBT.
At this point you have to decide if you want all of the modifications to the raws or not. I don't think any of them are vital, but many of them are worth having. Merging is important here; simply copying the raws from Meph's tileset will cause you to lose access to some of the features and bugfixes in 0.44.10 and 0.44.11. On the other hand, merging is complex and detail-oriented work; it'll take care and attention to detail to do correctly.
Post by: Meph on June 30, 2018, 12:49:16 pm
Post by: Darkond2100 on June 30, 2018, 01:24:53 pm
Post by: jecowa on June 30, 2018, 02:56:11 pm
Post by: Krutchen on July 01, 2018, 02:37:08 pm
Get a fresh copy of 0.44.11. Clone the DFHack source code (https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/), and build and install it according to its instructions, making sure you tell it where your DF is located. Clone a copy of the TWBT source code (https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt), then build and install it according to its instructions. It will need to know where your DF and your DFHack are. Then copy the DF config files and graphics from a previous release of Meph's tileset into your DF installation. Make sure you get the overrides.txt, since that's what tells TWBT which tiles to use for which things, and the dfhack.init script, which turns on TWBT.
At this point you have to decide if you want all of the modifications to the raws or not. I don't think any of them are vital, but many of them are worth having. Merging is important here; simply copying the raws from Meph's tileset will cause you to lose access to some of the features and bugfixes in 0.44.10 and 0.44.11. On the other hand, merging is complex and detail-oriented work; it'll take care and attention to detail to do correctly.
Could you post a link to your build so we could play with it? Beats having to download 12 different programs and specifying all the needed paths, lol.
Post by: Meph on July 07, 2018, 04:11:39 am
Edit: Hu. Turns out my silly tablet has Win 32 installed. I can't even open DF. Anyone wants a completely untested 44.12 version? :D
Post by: DorfMeister on July 11, 2018, 02:32:22 pm
Anyone wants a completely untested 44.12 version? :D
Certainly! Been waiting few months to try new build.
Post by: Keiri21 on July 11, 2018, 06:49:34 pm
Post by: Darkond2100 on July 11, 2018, 09:05:35 pm
Post by: Meph on July 12, 2018, 02:13:58 am
Or, I just happen to make a 3 version jump without a single typo or mistake or compability issues bewteen utilities on the first try, either one. :P
TEST THIS! (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13884) I do absolutely require feedback on that one. If it works, if DF, DFhack, TWBT and Therapist run fine, I'll do a proper release.
Changelog:
- Updated to 44.12
- Turned Animations off by default due to instability some people reported. (aka crashes)
- Removed 16 and 24 px versions, because of issues with the launcher (resetting overrides.txt) and because they look like crap anyway. If you want smaller tiles than 32x, just zoom out. There will be white pixel artefacts due to TWBTs transparency feature and the solid-white tileset-bg.png files; which can't be avoided. Best to just play on 32x as intended. ;)
Notes: I do have some down time the next couple of days, but unfortunately no mouse (only touchpad), no photoshop, dont have the launcher source code with me, and only a potato to run applications on. Not sure how much I can do with that. :D But hey, Bulgaria is cheap and the nearest mountain beckons.
Post by: Meph on July 12, 2018, 06:55:48 am
Thanks to the hostel computer, I could do a test-run, everything seems to be in order, so here you go: Meph Tileset for 44.12. (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Changes are simple: Newest DF version and utilities, increased stability, but no animations (unless you turn them on manually in the launcher)
Changelog:
- Updated to 44.12
- Turned Animations off by default due to instability some people reported. (aka crashes)
- Removed 16 and 24 px versions, because of issues with the launcher (resetting overrides.txt) and because they look like crap anyway. If you want smaller tiles than 32x, just zoom out. There will be white pixel artefacts due to TWBTs transparency feature and the solid-white tileset-bg.png files; which can't be avoided. Best to just play on 32x as intended. ;)
My only request for everyone: Do cool stuff and post cool screenshots. ;)
Post by: EpicMadness on July 12, 2018, 09:02:15 am
Post by: Meph on July 12, 2018, 09:19:07 am
Meph, do you have a tileset legend for creatures? or at least numerically labelled for modding purposes.Why, what's your plan? :)
And why numerically labelled, which seems weird for creatures... they are fairly unsorted in the vanilla raws, mostly by vermin/non-vermin and biomes.
Post by: EpicMadness on July 12, 2018, 09:38:45 am
as for why numerically labelled, thats how CREATURE_TILE token work.
[CREATURE_TILE:249] = fluffy wambler / hamster
edit: wait, are you saying that biomes affect CREATURE_TILE selection? what the heck is toady thinking...
Post by: Meph on July 12, 2018, 09:44:03 am
The CREATURE_TILE is pretty much useless, except maybe for their corpses, which are objects/items and therefore use the tile number. The living creature graphics are handled way differently. See raw/graphics, instead of the raw/objects files.
Biomes do not affect the tiles. I was just saying that most creature files are sorted by biomes, like temperate_large, ocean_large, etc.
Seems you have some time to spend on the wiki to figure out creature graphics. ;)
Edit: Here is an example for creature graphics:
Code: [Select]
graphics_domestic
[OBJECT:GRAPHICS]
[TILE_PAGE:DOMESTIC]
[FILE:domestic.png]
[TILE_DIM:32:32]
[PAGE_DIM:15:10]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:CAT]
[DEFAULT:DOMESTIC:1:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CHILD:DOMESTIC:6:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ANIMATED:DOMESTIC:11:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[TRAINED_WAR:DOMESTIC:1:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[TRAINED_HUNTER:DOMESTIC:6:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
Post by: EpicMadness on July 12, 2018, 09:50:38 am
although then how about the corpses? supposedly CREATURE_TILE would decide that no?
Post by: Meph on July 12, 2018, 10:04:59 am
The problem is that the tileset only has 256 tiles, while there are around 700 creatures in the game. Hence you cant make corpses for all of them. Most tilesets give them a letter (like c for cat), others have a singular corpse sprite (so all creature-tiles point to that one number), while I made a dozen or so corpse sprites, based on their body type. Bird, Fish, Mammal, etc.
Your choice.
Creatures in constructed cages (aka zoos) also display their creature_tile, instead of the sprites. Just a fun little thing Toady added to make it even harder for us poor poor modders. :P
Post by: EpicMadness on July 12, 2018, 10:08:55 am
Post by: Meph on July 12, 2018, 10:09:58 am
The graphics are needed for distinguising adults from kids, from war/hunting trained and from zombies... and you can easily make fitting graphics, no need to occupy a tile in the tileset for a creature.
EDIT: Wow, it's really weird trying to do pixelart with a touchpad instead of a mouse.
Post by: Leon1qaz on July 12, 2018, 01:29:18 pm
Post by: Meph on July 12, 2018, 01:44:14 pm
Adventure mode crash all the timeGraphical TWBT tilesets and adventure mode don't really go hand in hand.
When does it crash, and do you play with twbt redraw_all 1?
Post by: Meph on July 13, 2018, 06:29:04 am
Meph Tileset V3.2 (44.12) - Download (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
I couldn't sit here and just update the vanilla DF version without giving you guys something new to play with, so I did have a look around at what I could do. I found a few things.
- Added MESSENGER graphics for the new profession.
- Fixed 4 workshop tiles. (I mixed some up while testing animations)
- Added 24 new sprites, for wood logs, cut gems and large gems.
- Updated Vordaks set and added his Goblin sprites.
- Added Patrik Lundells Librarian script to the dfhack package.
- Added a workshop called Librarians Office; it can open legends mode and open a book index of everything written in your library.
As you can see, three major additions:
1. Vordaks Goblins:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You can find out more about his set here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165118.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165118.0). These new goblin sprites are used by default now, together with Vordaks dwarf sprites. If you dislike them, you can turn them off in the launcher, which switches back to the original design for dwarves and goblins.
2. Varied wood logs and cut gems:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I added 8 variants of wooden logs, gems and large gems. I know they are mostly stored in bins, but it wasn't too much work. ;) At the very least it should make wood stockpiles look more organic and less copy+paste.
3. The Libriarians Office:
A workshop that requires a chair and 4 bookcases to be build and triggers two dfhack scripts. One of them opens legends mode, which you can exit by simply pressing ESC. The second script is done by Patrik Lundell, who describes it here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=170462.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=170462.0). It gives you a UI that shows all the books, dates, authors, etc, all the information you could ever ask for about your library and literary works.
The librarians office brings us into dangerous territory of mods. I'm not entirely sure how to proceed... on the one hand this is a tileset. On the other hand I could mod in a bone-working shop that allows you to make bone furniture and walls, which would look awesome and evil. Or the beloved brick oven from Masterwork, which allows you to color your walls/furniture as you like. Or the crematory, to clean up garbage and help fix FPS.
It's a thin line between those additions, which are graphical of nature, or help FPS, and actual gameplay-changing mods. What do you guys think? I added a poll a bout the matter.
Edit: PS: Just updated the barebones version, for the people that want to build linux or mac sets.
Post by: EpicMadness on July 13, 2018, 10:55:54 am
also fluff balls, specifically ball of fluff with eyes.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/31/1d/7c311de4b5f044007b274286a87e7c05.jpg)
Post by: Meph on July 13, 2018, 11:06:40 am
Sorry, I don't have any templates...
Post by: EpicMadness on July 13, 2018, 11:10:19 am
edit: wait, i just realized pokemon has icons... *looks through pokedex*
Post by: LeoCean on July 13, 2018, 12:28:15 pm
Post by: Harpadarpa. on July 13, 2018, 12:31:37 pm
Post by: EpicMadness on July 13, 2018, 10:50:09 pm
Just add some hair to the puffer fish epicmadness. It'll take some other work but it's already round.i've made one from scratch and used a furball tile from somewhere.
simply put i used the floating-head as the base and removed the [flier] tag.
then added lots of hair.
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 01:13:06 am
Post by: WilhelmStein on July 14, 2018, 02:09:38 am
I am using LNP. Also, a masterwork bed artifact that a dwarf made, has no bed sprite but is instead displayed as a big red X.
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 02:36:29 am
The LNP has a different version of the tileset from the one released here, and the reason the N look odd (as well as a lot of other letters) is that you picked the "Meph Map Tileset" as your font. It's only supposed to be used for actual maps, (screenshots for succession forts, etc), not for playing the game. I have a Meph Font Tileset for that, but I dont know if PeridexisErrant ever put it into the LNP.
Post by: EpicMadness on July 14, 2018, 02:48:59 am
So your furball has leathery wings and a giant mouth full of sharp teeth? :-)no, according to the body_default file the flying-head template is only a [BODY] with [UPPER_BODY][LOWER_BODY][HEAD][THOUGHT][FLIER] tags in it.
so technically, its just a lump of meat that flies.
so if you remove the [flier] tag then its basically a slime, add in two eyes and a bunch of hair and you get a furball.
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 04:47:50 am
(https://i.imgur.com/v1dIR35.png)
Feedback?
I'm aware that bars will mostly be hidden in bins, but I think it would be nice to occasionally see that rare adam-wafer around, or to be able to visually distinguish from iron bars and coke bars, or silver and soap. ^^
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 05:39:58 am
Post by: EpicMadness on July 14, 2018, 06:08:06 am
Feedback?
change the charcoal/coke to look like burnt logs, with that image it looks like regular pig iron bars.
also, weren't nether-caps deep blue?
edit: raw says DARK_INDIGO
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 06:57:27 am
Post by: EpicMadness on July 14, 2018, 07:41:47 am
Colors are applied ingame.yeah but i meant the light-blue tint would've affected it no? or is that bypassed?
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 08:00:12 am
Post by: Descan on July 14, 2018, 11:38:25 am
They'd both be off by default but you might want a mod to aid in cleaning up your fort while still wanting a mostly vanilla experience.
(Of course, which ones are utility mods and which ones are cosmetic is mostly up to personal opinion. Especially when atom-smashing with a bridge is already a possibility.)
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 11:53:27 am
A campfire mod that actually starts fires is a big gameplay change btw, it's easy to murder entire sieges with it, by setting the surface on fire when they show up. ;)
Post by: Datura on July 14, 2018, 12:21:06 pm
I'm using your launcher and it makes things a lot easier, I just wanted to report some very slight issues with it:
- In the "Init" tab, the options "Auto-Save Pause", "Varied Ground Tiles", "Transform Msg." and "Digging Stop" always appear turned off for some reason, even though they're ON in the game's files.
- In the same tab, the "Shadows" option always appears empty (no option selected), even though they work in-game.
- In the "Balancing" tab, the options "Picky Nobles" and "Greedy Nobles" don't actually change the associated values in the raws.
There may be more, these are just the ones I happened to notice ;)
May I also suggest you create some instructions regarding how one could add custom fonts or tilesets and have them appear in the launcher? Right now I just put a custom font tileset in data/art and edited init.txt manually, but there's got to be a more elegant way (of course graphical tilesets would need a way to change override.txt).
Some built-in DFHack config (like PyLNP) would also be nice, but maybe that's beyond the scope of what you're trying to accomplish.
Btw, I voted for the inclusion of mods in subsequent releases of your pack, but OFF by default.
Thanks again for your contributions!
[Edit]Oh yeah, quick question: have you stopped working on the 24x24 and 16x16 versions of your tileset? Since I've got a 1080p display, I should use the 24x24 but I can't seem to find it anywhere...
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 01:01:16 pm
I dont have the GUI source with me, so I cant compile it... those fixes will have to wait.
Custom fonts you just drag and drop into "Meph Tileset V3.2 - 44.12\TilesetExtras\Settings\TwbtFonts"
Custom tilesets you cant use with this.
The 24 and 16x versions I removed, because they only make extra work and look bad. You can get the exact same result (maybe even better) by just typing "twbt tilesize 24 24" or 16 16 into dfhack while the game runs.
Post by: EpicMadness on July 14, 2018, 01:13:27 pm
at the moment i'm using 1920x600 forced-locked in windowed mode.
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 01:32:42 pm
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 01:57:10 pm
Cavern woods, anyone?
Color would change ingame, the little blue mushrooms would stay, growing on the constructed walls/furniture. The wall design merges with the normal wood-wall design.
The stairs are one giant mushroom with winding steps around it.
The X is the space for a slab, which cant be made of wood (without modding).
The cage and bin are more mushroom-roots, brambles... that sort of thing. Hope it's clear enough.
The Mushroom overgrowing a skull icon is the coffin. :D
The statue is not actually used ingame. (no wood statues without modding), but I had one flying around, so I put it in anyway.
What do you guys think?
Post by: Datura on July 14, 2018, 02:00:00 pm
Thanks for the detailed report. :)You're welcome :)
I dont have the GUI source with me, so I cant compile it... those fixes will have to wait.
Custom fonts you just drag and drop into "Meph Tileset V3.2 - 44.12\TilesetExtras\Settings\TwbtFonts"
Custom tilesets you cant use with this.
The 24 and 16x versions I removed, because they only make extra work and look bad. You can get the exact same result (maybe even better) by just typing "twbt tilesize 24 24" or 16 16 into dfhack while the game runs.
As I said, those are really minor bugs, so there's no real stress to fix them ASAP...nothing some manual init/raw editing can't overcome.
The fact that you provide a comprehensive override.txt and Revised integration is much more important to me :P
Thank you for the instructions regarding fonts! I personally don't plan to use another tileset but I asked anyway... more knowledge can't hurt, can it?
I also appreciate the info about the "twbt tilesize" command, it has been added to my dfhack.init and seems to work as intended.
I'll keep you posted if I encounter any other issues with the launcher.
[Edit]: Just saw your new post, and I like it! My two cents: the chest could do without the larger blue mushroom and, while pretty inventive, I feel the coffin departs too much from your other coffin designs, but that's just personal taste ;) Great work nonetheless!
Post by: Meph on July 14, 2018, 03:09:41 pm
Inspiration was this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Tested the sprites ingame, works. :)
Edit: Marble.
(https://i.imgur.com/f94fbjP.png)
Again, feedback is all I need, on the cavern wood set and the marble set. :)
Post by: EpicMadness on July 14, 2018, 08:54:26 pm
Not really, since TWBT was introduced. The larger, the better for this set.
so even if i increase it to 1920x800 it won't distort/stretch?
edit: just confirmed it doesn't distort, readjusted my windowed resolution to 1800x900 to fit better with 1920x1080 monitor.
Post by: Meph on July 15, 2018, 03:12:28 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on July 15, 2018, 06:57:39 am
When I was working on the varied wood sprites, I thought that maybe more special woods could get their own unique sprite... same idea for bars.
(https://i.imgur.com/v1dIR35.png)
Feedback?
I'm aware that bars will mostly be hidden in bins, but I think it would be nice to occasionally see that rare adam-wafer around, or to be able to visually distinguish from iron bars and coke bars, or silver and soap. ^^
I'm all for this as I don't store stuff in my bins since I learned that it makes dorfs cancel jobs sometimes whey they are trying to get items from the same bin.
Post by: Meph on July 15, 2018, 07:08:59 am
Post by: EpicMadness on July 15, 2018, 08:19:12 am
edit: on a side note, dwarfs with gait=100 is a tad faster than dwarfs carrying wheelbarrows...
Post by: Meph on July 15, 2018, 11:02:02 am
Large pot, jug, crown, ring, amulet, bracelet, earrings, scepter, figurine, statue, blocks/bricks.
(https://i.imgur.com/5pdrmkV.png)
Stoneware, Earthenware, maybe Porcelain set. The blocks are called "bricks" ingame, so I made brick-only walls for it. The objects are mostly Vordaks work, which he already published for his alternate set. I thought it would be nice to have both at the same time; mine for stone, his for ceramics.
Eventually bone, wood, metal crafts would be added.
So... yeah, no furniture except for the statue exists in vanilla DF for ceramics. I kinda forgot about that. :D
EDIT: Wow, glass makes more than up for that. 60 items in total can be made of glass. That's an update all in itself. ^^
Post by: Descan on July 15, 2018, 11:47:08 am
Post by: Meph on July 15, 2018, 11:47:52 am
I just imagined sitting in a ceramic dwarf-made chair and I gave myself anxiety.Because the plumbing might be in reverse, with magma instead of water?
Post by: Descan on July 15, 2018, 01:10:50 pm
Granted, they're also robust. Still wouldn't trust it to hold my weight.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on July 16, 2018, 09:07:52 am
I'm someone who always prefers the roleplay/atmospheric version to the hacks/exploits. For example I'd vastly prefer a crematory to atom-smashing, because the former one just makes more sense.after all atom smashing is quasi bug abusing as a workaround for a missing method for getting rid of things.
A campfire mod that actually starts fires is a big gameplay change btw, it's easy to murder entire sieges with it, by setting the surface on fire when they show up. ;)
Post by: Meph on July 16, 2018, 01:21:53 pm
UPDATE!
Two more material sets to try out: Cavern Woods and Marble. :) I also added a bit more variety to the wood logs, so that you can keep the most important woods apart, the same for bars: Each type now has a unique sprite, which helps a lot to keep coke, ash and iron apart. Soap no longer looks like Silver, Adamantine wafers are actual wafers, etc. :)
Changelog:
- Fixed launcher options: Greedy/Picky nobles.
- Added metal/rock beds, for those rare artefacts.
- Added cavern-wood sprites for furniture and constructions (walls/floors/stairs)
- Added marble sprites for furniture and constructions (walls/floors/stairs)
- Added unique sprites for cavern, good and evil wood logs.
- Added unique sprites for special bars: Soap, Ash, Potash/Pearlash, Coke/Charcoal, Adamantine Wafers and Steel.
The new unique sprites for logs/bars:
(https://i.imgur.com/v1dIR35.png)
Current state of the material additions:
Done: Stone; Flux; Wood; Cavern Wood; Metal; Silver; Gold; Obsidian; Marble; Clay.
WIP: Adamantine, Glass, Ice, Ceramics.
Only if modded in: Bone, Gem. (will probably do that)
(https://i.imgur.com/hH1TJ6r.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BQTmug6.png)
Once the constructions and furniture is done, I can turn to the weapons, armors, tools and crafts. I don't think many of those are needed, because they are mostly in workshops, trade depots, bins in stockpiles or in someones inventory, but I feel like a few extra sprites would be interesting. Especially for glass and bone items, and the more unique ones like obsidian short swords or build-able tools like hives.
I'm currently fiddling around with the ceramics and started with glass, but the glass industry is a bit larger than anticipated, with 60 objects tied to it. ^^
Post by: worbat on July 16, 2018, 02:03:10 pm
Post by: LeoCean on July 16, 2018, 02:14:45 pm
-snip-
The 24 and 16x versions I removed, because they only make extra work and look bad. You can get the exact same result (maybe even better) by just typing "twbt tilesize 24 24" or 16 16 into dfhack while the game runs.
Anyways all 32x means is less tiles on your screen, the ideal for monitors being 80 I believe.
Post by: Meph on July 16, 2018, 02:25:55 pm
Materials in action:
(https://i.imgur.com/hLMkhsg.png)
Clay doesn't have furniture, that's why its rather empty. Same for ceramics, only furniture they have is the statue. The five empty fields are adamantine, ice, gem, bone and glass.
Post by: Vordak on July 16, 2018, 03:29:13 pm
Upd. Pay attention that the metal/silver weapon and armor racks have an extra pothole in down, which should not be.
Upd2. Fungi floor should be contrasted with furniture, the simplest is to make it darker.
Upd3. Golden floor in the form of a grid cuts the eye.
Upd4. Gem floor is best done in the form of a mosaic, like your glass windows. After which windows of course need to be done by others.
Post by: Meph on July 16, 2018, 04:27:03 pm
Wood/Fungiwood top-layer: Will do, that makes perfect sense. :)
Sliver/Gold racks: Not sure what you mean. (If its about the mis-alignment: The picture is a mock-up, not an ingame screenshot)
Golden floor: I kinda like it, but I'm open for suggestions. I thought people would use it as highlights, not floor large areas like that.
Gem floor: It actually looks rather nice with colors, and blends in perfectly with normal floor. I want the gem-set to be the normal stone set, just encrusted with gems. :)
First try at glass/ice. (I'm not very happy with it to be honest):
(https://i.imgur.com/rnqeebD.png)
Floor, hatches and doors are fine, but the rest are pretty much placeholders. But that's the style I'd go for: Simple, sharp angles, clear lines, lots of white-space for glass. Ideas?
Edit: Gem floors ingame:
(https://i.imgur.com/aYad2yC.png)
Post by: Mrok Girl on July 16, 2018, 06:17:27 pm
Meph Tileset V3.3 (44.12) - Download (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
UPDATE!
Oh no, I extracted everything and I'm trying to play but the launcher is stuck on 'loading' T_T
Edit: nevermind, everything is working, it's just me being tired.
Post by: Chaikhou-L-Jabal on July 16, 2018, 07:10:39 pm
I have a question : When I want to install a mod that adds additional creatures, the new creatures look like critters. Is it possible to have them as ASCII characters instead ?
Thanks in advance.
Post by: Descan on July 16, 2018, 09:23:45 pm
I'm not sure how to make the glass ones more interesting, unfortunately. Unless you wanted to go hunting on google images for interesting themes people have done with glass objects that would translate into the game?
Post by: Nefarian on July 16, 2018, 09:38:35 pm
Might sound stupid, but i think making the entire set more "technological" or sci-fi themed could look good.
Post by: EpicMadness on July 16, 2018, 11:05:21 pm
I'm not sure how to make the glass ones more interesting, unfortunately. Unless you wanted to go hunting on google images for interesting themes people have done with glass objects that would translate into the game?stained glass design might work better, specially with colored glass.
Post by: Meph on July 17, 2018, 12:11:39 am
Scifi would look cool, but no. My bet is 99% including me would be against it. But i wanted to make the glass Design rather modern.
Stained glass would sadly make no sense, considering dwarves dont know how to colors glass. They only have either clear or green glass.
I thought about adding icicles to the ice Set. Kinda like the spikes on the obsidian Set, just the other direction ;-)
Post by: EpicMadness on July 17, 2018, 01:00:15 am
Stained glass would sadly make no sense, considering dwarves dont know how to colors glass. They only have either clear or green glass.
wait, i was under the impression that colored sand would retain their colors when turned to glass.
Post by: Meph on July 17, 2018, 01:06:16 am
Brick walls with tapestries, thick carpets and engraved padded furniture for humans. (cloth)
Living, organic wood walls with ivy, moss and filigrane furniture for elves. (plants )
For goblins dark, spiky walls with mutilated bodyparts, iron-grated flooring, and rough-cut furniture with banners. (iron/goblinite)
Leather and wood/clay based design for walls, like tents and camping furniture for kobolds (leather)
I could simply write a Workshop that says: Make elvish chair, or goblin-style door, etc, and supplies the wanted item. Since it only makes blocks and furniture, it would barely affect game balance.
Thoughts?
(Obviously those can be used when playing as that race too)
(Sand color has nothing to do with the color of the created glass.)
Post by: EpicMadness on July 17, 2018, 01:20:48 am
kobolds should go with more fur instead of leather, considering that they don't do tanning.
plus stuffed animals and head-trophies, like the ones used in hunter cabins.
edit: oh right, how about tiki totems? they're statues that just look like totems.
also goblins should make skull totems instead.
Post by: Meph on July 17, 2018, 01:54:19 am
Take goblin corpse, goto workshop, make "goblin trophy block", build wall. Wall looks like a wall, just with a gobin head on a wooden board stuck on it.
I just had to do a quick mock-up:
(https://i.imgur.com/OBiVeiu.png)
Edit: Mh, not sure if walls would be the best idea, there are so many iterations. Maybe more like an armor-stand or display case/stand. Furniture, that you can place on floors. What do you guys think, better on floors or walls? (floors I have to make 1 sprite, walls I need 11. If I make 10 different looking goblin heads, that's 10 sprites vs. 110 sprites. On the other hand, wall-deco would be awesome)
And that lead me to taxidermy. I already wrote a reactionthat takes a creature corpse and turns it into a fitting statue in MasterworkDF... and since most creature sprites are done, I can just greyscale them, put them on pedestals, and get something like:
(https://i.imgur.com/PibJL5w.png)
Mh, maybe with a bit more color:
(https://i.imgur.com/jBVomOn.png)
Not sure how many people would use this, but... it's a possibility. Taxidermied creatures would be STATUEs ingame.
It's literally just one dfhack script and adding this to the tanner:
Code: [Select]
[REACTION:TAXIDERMY_STATUE]
[NAME:stuff a corpse (statue)]
[BUILDING:TANNER:CUSTOM_SHIFT_S]
[REAGENT:corpse:1:CORPSE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:STATUE:NONE:INORGANIC:TAXIDERMY]
[SKILL:TANNER]
[REACTION:TAXIDERMY_FIGURINE]
[NAME:stuff remains (figurine]
[BUILDING:TANNER:CUSTOM_SHIFT_F]
[REAGENT:remains:1:REMAINS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:FIGURINE:NONE:INORGANIC:TAXIDERMY]
[SKILL:TANNER]It sadly wouldnt really work with procedually generated creatures like titans, fbs, demons and nightcreatures (the biggest prey), but it could be a nice way to show-case the martial powers of a fortress... a hall of killed things. Quite dwarfy. Just have to test how DF handles corpses of intelligent civ-members atm.
With close to 700 creatures ingame, it would lead to 3x 256 tilesets being used for this, due to tranparency I need 3 more for the -bg files, I dont need -top files, so it comes down to... taking up 1536 tiles. I should probably finish the last remaining mammals/creatures in 32x (some are still upscaled 24x from Doren), before doing that. ^^
Feedback?
PS: Related: Please vote on the poll. There were 500 downloads of the last version in 2 days, but only 18 people voted? Come one guys, you can do better. :P
Post by: EpicMadness on July 17, 2018, 02:02:25 am
they go through your trophy hall with faces that says "oh god armok, these savages are barbarous!".
on a side note, can pet-value affect the statue's value?
edit: an idea came up, i think elves should have potted plants for statues.
Post by: Meph on July 17, 2018, 02:14:43 am
Like this:
Code: [Select]
[OVERRIDE:234:B:STATUE:Statue::_MDF_overrides_7:199::::INORGANIC:TAXIDERMY_DOG]
[OVERRIDE:234:I:STATUE:STATUE::_MDF_overrides_7:199::::INORGANIC:TAXIDERMY_DOG]
[OVERRIDE:234:B:STATUE:Statue::_MDF_overrides_7:199::::INORGANIC:TAXIDERMY_CAT]
[OVERRIDE:234:I:STATUE:STATUE::_MDF_overrides_7:199::::INORGANIC:TAXIDERMY_CAT]Then add:
Code: [Select]
[INORGANIC:TAXIDERMY_DOG]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:stuffed dog]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:7:7:1][TILE:199]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
[IS_STONE][MELTING_POINT:16507][BOILING_POINT:18000]
[INORGANIC:TAXIDERMY_CAT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:stuffed cat]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:7:7:1][TILE:199]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
[IS_STONE][MELTING_POINT:16507][BOILING_POINT:18000]The value I could alter, so that larger, more dangerous animals/trophies are worth more. So... I guess pet value can affect the statue value, but only by adding it manually.
Edit: Mh, a big project, but totally feasable. And easily portable to other tilesets that have creature sprites, because putting them on pedestals and changing the hue is not a lot of work.
Post by: EpicMadness on July 17, 2018, 02:16:40 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on July 17, 2018, 02:19:30 am
Post by: Meph on July 17, 2018, 02:50:36 am
the golden floor is a little hard on the eye.not the first person to mention it. Added to my list of things to improve.
Post by: Boltgun on July 17, 2018, 03:02:03 am
Post by: Meph on July 17, 2018, 03:05:59 am
Anything you need for succubi? Missing 32x sprites for items, Workshops, etc?
Post by: EpicMadness on July 17, 2018, 04:48:38 am
i suggest increasing the mesh size, fine mesh makes it glaring.the golden floor is a little hard on the eye.not the first person to mention it. Added to my list of things to improve.
and to differentiate it from grates, how about changing the lattice?
Post by: Mrok Girl on July 17, 2018, 06:25:55 am
Taxidermy statues are awesome and clever :D Would it take the whole corpse though? I mean, I don't mind that much but many corpses can be butchered so I guess we'd have to be vigilant.
Post by: Datura on July 17, 2018, 09:37:13 am
Post by: EpicMadness on July 17, 2018, 09:54:29 am
Post by: Meph on July 17, 2018, 10:53:52 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on July 17, 2018, 11:06:50 am
*thumbs up* :) otherwise i'm again amazed from your great work :)the golden floor is a little hard on the eye.not the first person to mention it. Added to my list of things to improve.
Post by: Meph on July 17, 2018, 03:47:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/8UV3YA7.png)
They also have quite nice terrain:
(https://i.imgur.com/BnfOee3.png)
Post by: Descan on July 17, 2018, 04:54:48 pm
Post by: Meph on July 18, 2018, 02:43:42 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on July 18, 2018, 08:05:49 am
Gold floor alternative versions, courtesy of dokucraft:
(https://i.imgur.com/8UV3YA7.png)
They also have quite nice terrain:
(https://i.imgur.com/BnfOee3.png)
I like top left, 2nd top left, top right if it was a bit darker, 3rd right and bottom right.
Post by: EpicMadness on July 18, 2018, 08:07:25 am
Post by: Descan on July 18, 2018, 11:14:55 am
Post by: Meph on July 18, 2018, 03:22:20 pm
Design idea for gem furniture/walls: I carbon-copy the stone sprites and literaly engrave them with gems, like this ruby-mock-up:
(https://i.imgur.com/JVhByHm.png)
It's fairly easy to do (this is a mock-up, final product would look nicer), it makes sense ingame (no gems large enough to make entire furniture out of them), and it would fit stylistically with the stone walls... people could put single gem-blocks in between as highlights. :)
Just to be clear: This is NOT gem-encrusted furniture, like "diorite table encrusted with ruby", but instead it would be a "ruby table". TWBT can't distinguish between different decorations on objects.
Post by: Meph on July 18, 2018, 03:36:31 pm
- Adamantine set
- Glass set
- Ice set (+workshop to make them)
- Bone set (+workshop to make them)
- Gem set (+workshop to make them)
- Human/Elf/Kobold/Goblin set (+workshop to make them)
- Some tools/object sets for different materials.
- Trophies (Goblin, Kobolds, Elf, Human, Other?)
- Taxidermied Animals / Animal Statues
- Remaining creature sprites (current placeholders are upscaled 24x sprites)
- Modded utility workshops (coloring blocks, cleaning the fort, simple drag&drop mods)
- Succubus sprite support (for Boltguns succubus mod)
- Orc sprite support (for Smakes orc fortress mod)
- Roads based on different materials (to quickly cover lots of grounds in fancy new floor tiles)
- More "variety" sprites (alternates of existing sprites to make things more organic/less copy paste), for example for tree trunks, farm plots, most frequently farmed plants, leaves, tree bark, etc.
- Different item sprites for bone/shell/leather armors; obsidian swords, silk vs yarn items, wooden vs metal shields...
- Different item sprites for buildable tools/missing furniture, like hives, nest boxes, restraints/chains/ropes, etc.
- Check and improve all designations (mining, plants to collect, trees to cut down)
- Fix "carried items display wrong sprite" bug (which requires a lot of main tileset tiles, I could for example remove "animated vermin sprites" to make the space)
Feel free to discuss. I'll be gone for a bit, at least no more updates the coming week(s). I'll still be online now and then and read/answer.
Post by: Mrok Girl on July 18, 2018, 04:21:29 pm
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Also, designated revealed granite really needs to be more clear than non-designated granite.
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Post by: ZayZe on July 18, 2018, 05:36:54 pm
Always doing good things for DF. LOVE it.
Wish you happiness
Post by: EpicMadness on July 19, 2018, 02:38:55 am
Also, designated revealed granite really needs to be more clear than non-designated granite.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
this in fact should just have pickaxe drawn on top of it, channeling has this so why not mining?
Post by: Meph on July 20, 2018, 08:28:59 am
Post by: Rose on July 20, 2018, 09:12:30 am
Post by: EpicMadness on July 20, 2018, 10:28:46 am
Because channels have their own sprite, while mining adds different colors to the rock sprite.i know, i was just pointing out the disparity.
Post by: Meph on July 20, 2018, 11:05:09 am
This can be fixed by modifying the colors of granite in the raws, which have an inverted color scheme (black foreground and grey background)I use the same sprites for all rock, so I'd have to do that for all inorganics... Ores too. :/
Post by: Rose on July 20, 2018, 11:07:26 am
Post by: Meph on July 24, 2018, 03:49:26 am
Post by: Thelo on July 24, 2018, 06:50:40 am
Mh. 800+ downloads of the main pack, 200+ of the barebones version... Over 1000 downloads, but no comments, bug reports or suggestions?
Aside from the confusing digging designation colors for rock layers, so far it's been good. I'd like to have all customization options for Linux, though. I was wondering, how can I get it configured in Windows and then port the raws to Linux? I have a VM for other things related to DF that have no Linux port.
I really like the tileset (and I'm also an old Masterwork player, missing lots of things from the old times). Good job, Meph and all the artists involved. :)
Edit: also, color variation for seasons makes me a little confused too, and some of the palettes are too dark. I know I can change that myself, but just wanted to point out my impressions. Finally, obsidian walls are way too dark for my taste, sometimes makes it difficult to even see them in some situations.
Post by: Meph on July 24, 2018, 07:00:25 am
Did you mean natural obsidian walls, or constructed ones?
You can just copy the raw folder to your Linux install, after you made the changes you wanted.
Post by: DWARFFRAWD on July 24, 2018, 07:25:09 am
plants and rocks are natural.
Post by: Thelo on July 24, 2018, 07:48:03 am
Thanks for the feedback. :-)
Did you mean natural obsidian walls, or constructed ones?
You can just copy the raw folder to your Linux install, after you made the changes you wanted.
Constructed ones.
As for the raws, as I imagined, then. Will try this evening.
Post by: billw on July 24, 2018, 07:59:05 am
I cant distinguish gather designated / non-gather plants color, digging designated /non-digging rocks sometime.Same, also what rocks that are designated and are next to be mined (flashing) is almost invisible.
I also have problems with constructed stairs looking different from dug ones (the dug ones have nicer+clearer graphics, not a fan of the arrows).
Post by: Thelo on July 24, 2018, 08:11:39 am
I cant distinguish gather designated / non-gather plants color, digging designated /non-digging rocks sometime.Same, also what rocks that are designated and are next to be mined (flashing) is almost invisible.
I also have problems with constructed stairs looking different from dug ones (the dug ones have nicer+clearer graphics, not a fan of the arrows).
I do agree! I'd rather have all stairs look the same if they have the same functionality. Let us figure out if they need to be dug or deconstructed. :)
Post by: Descan on July 24, 2018, 02:19:51 pm
(I also prefer the quality of the side-view dug stairs over the up/down arrow top-down view. Plus it's easier to tell which is the up and which is the down stair in the side view, compared to the only main difference being the small arrow in the top-down view)
Post by: Meph on July 25, 2018, 12:00:28 am
So:
- Designations unclear
- Stairs better standardized
- Obsidian too dark
Anything else?
Post by: EpicMadness on July 25, 2018, 02:47:18 am
Post by: Raylemon on July 25, 2018, 03:22:36 am
I think I have a bug with the tileset… I've downloaded the latest launcher and create a new world in the game. But, the tiles doesn't match the items, eg my bedrooms ingame :
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Another example, seeds and leaves appear like this :
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How can I repair that ?
Thanks !
Post by: Meph on July 25, 2018, 03:25:09 am
Post by: Raylemon on July 25, 2018, 03:39:18 am
But I updated dfhack and twbt, maybe I missed something by replacing files with a newer version…
Post by: Vordak on July 25, 2018, 04:12:20 am
Hello,Such I observed in fortresses, which updated DF version.
I think I have a bug with the tileset… I've downloaded the latest launcher and create a new world in the game. But, the tiles doesn't match the items, eg my bedrooms ingame :
I built bed, cabinet and coffer.
Another example, seeds and leaves appear like this :This is clearly from adventure mode, there with tileset are created metamorphosis, like replacement ramps on tile with arrow and back to normal ramp tile. An old problem that is rather related to the DF and not to tileset and twbt.
Post by: Meph on July 25, 2018, 01:31:17 pm
Post by: Raylemon on July 25, 2018, 01:33:53 pm
So, how to update dfhack and twbt with your launcher ?
Anyway, thanks for the help !
Post by: Meph on July 25, 2018, 01:48:44 pm
Post by: ZayZe on July 26, 2018, 08:48:39 pm
Post by: Bapdorf on July 27, 2018, 11:16:38 am
'Magma Flow' seems to update strangely when viewing form higher z-levels and when above magma/in open space. This only seems to happen when using this launcher, and does not happen when using the meph tileset in LNP.
When on the same z-level, everything seems correct:
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Thanks
Post by: billw on July 27, 2018, 11:34:01 am
Post by: Meph on July 28, 2018, 12:40:04 am
Post by: Sirus on July 28, 2018, 12:37:23 pm
I also tried using that DFhack command in the OP, but nothing changes.
Post by: Meph on July 28, 2018, 01:49:37 pm
Post by: Sirus on July 28, 2018, 03:13:09 pm
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twbt tilesize 24 24 doesn't cause any sort of reaction. There isn't even an error message.
Post by: Meph on July 28, 2018, 03:59:23 pm
Post by: Sirus on July 28, 2018, 04:04:35 pm
Post by: LeoCean on July 28, 2018, 05:52:57 pm
Post by: Meph on July 29, 2018, 03:39:20 am
I thought about it a lot because Today adds more and more to adv-mode. I could try to make a version of the tileset that works with adv-mode, but I'd need a lot of playtesters, because I cant find my way around adv-mode and wouldnt know whats what ;)
Anyone interested?
Post by: Bapdorf on July 29, 2018, 05:07:05 am
I also find that the commands don't do anything when I type them into the main console, but when I use the ingame dfhack viewer thing (ctrl+shift+p) then they work fine. Not sure if this is any help
Post by: Sirus on July 29, 2018, 03:11:59 pm
Then again this modded version of DF is really hard on my computer in general, so maybe I just ran into something it couldn't handle.
Post by: PopTart on July 30, 2018, 09:37:30 am
When I load my save file, it says: "FATAL ERROR data/save/region2/raw/objects/text/book_instruction.txt NOT FOUND" and quits.
I replaced all the files in the init folder. I also replaced the entire art folder. I also replaced the entire raw folder both in the main DF folder and my save folder.
Everything runs fine in the main menu (because I'm running DFHack with TWBT). Why is it looking for this book_instruction.txt file?
Thanks!
EDIT: I think it has to do with Meph's pack lacking a folder called "interaction examples"? I tried importing that from another graphics pack, but then it said I have other files missing.
EDIT: I downloaded the big pack, copied the folders from there into my Dwarf Fortress folder. This time I get a MISSING ENTITY DEFINITION.
EDIT: Okay, I finally moved the subfolders inside of raw instead of the whole raw folder, and it worked!
Post by: Delta_02_Cat on July 31, 2018, 06:45:20 am
Is there any way to get the current version of it to work with Masterwork? Especially the different graphics for different materials like stone, flux, marbe and the like.
Post by: Meph on July 31, 2018, 10:25:17 am
Absolutely love the tileset, great work :)not really, unless you know exactly what you are doing, and update mdf to the newest version too.
Is there any way to get the current version of it to work with Masterwork? Especially the different graphics for different materials like stone, flux, marbe and the like.
Post by: Meph on August 01, 2018, 01:13:08 pm
Meph Tileset v3.4 - 44.12 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Five new features for you: First, you get sprites for the kiln/ceramics industry. Second, tons of new TWBT fonts. Third, Vault Guardians got creature sprites! Fourth, I added the embark profiles from the LNP. Fifth, Vordaks Kobolds!
Ceramics Industry:
All ceramic items now have their own unique sprites. Fire up your kilns and try out: Crowns, Rings, Earrings, Amulets, Bracelets, Figurines, Scepters, Bricks/Blocks, Statues, Jugs and large Pots. The sprites are mostly done by Vordak, thanks again for the support. :)
This extends to the constructed walls, floors and stairs with ceramic bricks:
(https://i.imgur.com/5pdrmkV.png)
Menu fonts for TWBT
List of new fonts:
- RuneSet & RuneSet-Aniron by monkeyfritz http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=170011.0
- Manuscript by monkeyfritz http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=170157.0
- Crazy88 by PigtailLlama http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126363.0
- Serif & Sans-Serif by Taffer http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=107924.0
- DuererSet by HaterSkater http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142083.0
- VFD-Sets by Corporal_Klinger http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171134.0
- HugoQuest by Hugo_The_Dwarf http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171041.0
- Wanderlust by Kynsmer http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=145362.0
- NixieGlow by Siegelord http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=169209.0
- Elian by Koumakan http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=169671.0
- Bisisam by Bisasam & Gold_Plated by DrD_AVEL from the DwarfWiki Tileset Repository: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/Tileset_repository
You can have a look at them yourself in the \TilesetExtras\Settings\TwbtFonts folder.
Installation is simple: Open the launcher and pick one from a drop-down menu; or you manually move the .png into data/art and add the new name into the data/init.txt. Meph_Embossed.png is still the default set, apart from it I can heartily recommend the GemSet font as the clearer, simpler alternative; or the Duerer set for a fancy Gothic font.
Example:
Spoiler: Duerer Set (click to show/hide)
Next bit: Angels!
A friendly reddit user that goes by El_Castillo pointed me in the right direction on how to add graphics for Angels/Vault Guardians. I had them prepared for a while, but never know how to add them. Now it works, this is the result:
(https://i.imgur.com/RUthaP4.png)
Embark profiles
Several people reported that they missed the pre-set profiles that the LNP offers after they switched over to this set. Porting them is a simple matter, so here you go: All LNP embark profiles are added.
Vordaks Kobolds
Adding to has growing collection of civ sprites, Vordak made sprites for kobolds in his own style. They are now added to this pack, together with his dwarves and goblins.
(https://i.imgur.com/l1KEl7o.png)
Changelog:
- Added sprites for ceramic (stoneware, earthenware, porcelain) constructions.
- Added sprites for ceramic (stoneware, earthenware, porcelain) crafts, jugs, pots, statues and blocks.
- Added a dozen new Font/Menu tilesets.
- Added sprites for Angels/Vault Guardians.
- Added Vordaks Kobold sprites.
- Added pre-set embark profiles known from the LNP.
- Fixed 2 launcher options: tranformation notifications and warm/damp stone notifications options.
- Fixed wrongly-assigned sprites for war/hunting-trained grizzly bears.
- Updated Dwarf Therapist to include newest bugfixes.
That's it for now. I finally left Turkey (whichs blocks Imgur, among other sites) and I'm back in Bulgaria where my tablet (and bike) were waiting for me. Next I'm heading into Serbia, then Romania, Moldovia, Uktraine... not sure how much time I'll have for DF, but I'll take a break starting early September. Please keep reporting issues and posting screenshots in the meantime. :)
(PS: Since this is another one of those untested updates I make because the tablet can't run 64bit DF, please let me know if this update is broken, wakes the dead or started a thermonuclear war in your area. Thank you.)
Post by: Hommit on August 02, 2018, 08:49:47 am
Ukraine...Best to avoid that, imo
Post by: levonhard on August 02, 2018, 09:01:35 am
Post by: Meph on August 02, 2018, 11:29:43 am
What's your romania route? Maye we can grab a drink and maybe your autograph :P XDI come from Bulgaria, head into the very center by bike, up the Transfagarasan, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transf%C4%83g%C4%83r%C4%83%C8%99an) up the Moldovenau peak, and then on towards Chisinau in Moldovia.
Why?Ukraine...Best to avoid that, imo
Post by: Prismaa on August 03, 2018, 12:31:11 am
Post by: Meph on August 03, 2018, 12:36:54 am
Ask vordak for more info on them, he made that set.
Otherwise just keep using my version, the cutebolds I made have sprites for all professions.
Post by: Carsius on August 03, 2018, 06:19:11 am
Cool 8)Ukraine...Best to avoid that, imo
There's nothing really to worry about there as long as he stays clear of the regions near Crimea.
Post by: Hommit on August 03, 2018, 10:59:22 am
There's nothing really to worry about there as long as he stays clear of the regions near Crimea.West regions have lots of those wannabe-nazis, and there was some armed army deserters reports. Also, lots of health and security risks lately.
Post by: Meph on August 04, 2018, 03:04:30 am
And if I can travel alone through the Sahara, siberia or Somalia, I'll be fine with a little joyride up the highest peak of the Ukraine. (I'm writing this from a mountain hut it serbia btw :-P)
Post by: waterphage13 on August 04, 2018, 03:24:56 pm
Post by: Xerberus on August 05, 2018, 05:06:23 am
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Hello, haven't played Dwarf Fortress for a while and back then still also new to your fantastic tileset. the work you have done looks truly amazing ... i just have one small problem.
in the readme you state that the 32x tileset is optimised for 4k displays and in the pack is a 24x version for 1080p displays...it seems its not implemented anymore or i can't find it.
got it removed / am i missing something or can i use the 32x one also on 1080p display now?
thanks!
Post by: Meph on August 05, 2018, 06:11:23 am
Post by: Meph on August 05, 2018, 12:50:37 pm
Spoiler: Magma tube in a lake (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: FB with firebreath... (click to show/hide)
Anyone want to share more cool screens?
Post by: Splint on August 05, 2018, 02:53:23 pm
Also, I'm in favor of adding stuff as an option to allow for making ceramic, bone, and gem stuff. Those tiles would get very little use otherwise.
Post by: Meph on August 05, 2018, 05:04:00 pm
Ceramics are in the kiln, make blocks/bricks for the constructions. Optionally I can also add furniture.
Post by: Splint on August 05, 2018, 10:10:03 pm
I don't suppose anyone had an interesting premise for a story fort I can do alongside Battlejudge do they? I'd love to be able to recreate Riverrun's comparative success and this tileset is a perfect for the job (as I'd actually like to show it off for Meph. I mean I basically did the same with Masterwork, why not do it again here?) Might even showcase haberdasher and fungal expansion alongside it.
Post by: Bapdorf on August 06, 2018, 03:36:29 pm
Either intentially or unintentionally, the happiness meter in the bottom right from (I believe) DwarfMonitor seems to have different boundaries than 'normal'; e.g. dwarves with 0 stress rank as happy, rather than fine, and even dwarves with 20k+stress still rank as happy, and any negative stress 'number' count as ecstatic. After having 3 supposedly 'happy' dwarves start tantruming and entering depression from stress, I wanted to change it to be more discriminating,. However, I have little experience poking around in actual gamefiles and I cannot find this in any config, and I can't work out how to change it. Thanks
Unrelated Addendum;
A mixture of confusion and/or respect and/or concern upon realising the original download post contains images of non-wood beds; for all those artifact beds we're going to be getting?? Concerning dedication, or am I missing something?
Post by: Splint on August 06, 2018, 05:40:11 pm
Sorry for posting such a finicky and personal thing, but after poking around in the files for 2.5 hours and not succeeding I thought I'd ask for help again.
Either intentially or unintentionally, the happiness meter in the bottom right from (I believe) DwarfMonitor seems to have different boundaries than 'normal'; e.g. dwarves with 0 stress rank as happy, rather than fine, and even dwarves with 20k+stress still rank as happy, and any negative stress 'number' count as ecstatic. After having 3 supposedly 'happy' dwarves start tantruming and entering depression from stress, I wanted to change it to be more discriminating,. However, I have little experience poking around in actual gamefiles and I cannot find this in any config, and I can't work out how to change it. Thanks
That's more of an issue with a DF hack plugin, rather than the tileset.
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Unrelated Addendum;
A mixture of confusion and/or respect and/or concern upon realising the original download post contains images of non-wood beds; for all those artifact beds we're going to be getting?? Concerning dedication, or am I missing something?
Hence the thing floated earlier so we can actually make use of those other graphics outside artifacts, cause otherwise there'd be no reason to make them besides completion's sake.
Post by: Bapdorf on August 07, 2018, 05:42:37 am
I only posted the DwarfMonitor thing on here as I believe the settings are changed in the launcher, but will try on DFHack forums.
Post by: Splint on August 07, 2018, 05:58:23 am
Adding buildings to make stuff out of more materials is something that would be in service of the mod, as otherwise those material tilesets would only see very limited use, as said.
Post by: Meph on August 07, 2018, 06:12:25 am
And the beds were added for the artefacts, once someone reported missing sprites for his artefact bed. ;) I want to add custom workshops for gem, bone and maybe clay items, but not necessarily allow stone beds or the like.
Any modded content I might add will not affect game balance (wont make the game harder or easier), and it will be optional (people can disable it in the launcher)
Post by: billw on August 07, 2018, 06:55:21 am
Sorry for posting such a finicky and personal thing, but after poking around in the files for 2.5 hours and not succeeding I thought I'd ask for help again.
Either intentially or unintentionally, the happiness meter in the bottom right from (I believe) DwarfMonitor seems to have different boundaries than 'normal'; e.g. dwarves with 0 stress rank as happy, rather than fine, and even dwarves with 20k+stress still rank as happy, and any negative stress 'number' count as ecstatic. After having 3 supposedly 'happy' dwarves start tantruming and entering depression from stress, I wanted to change it to be more discriminating,. However, I have little experience poking around in actual gamefiles and I cannot find this in any config, and I can't work out how to change it. Thanks
You should update dfhack version. I did and it fixed this issue, and doesn't appear to have broken anything else.
Post by: Meph on August 07, 2018, 01:48:49 pm
Post by: Meph on August 07, 2018, 03:03:55 pm
Download:☼Meph Tileset☼ V3.5 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Changelog:
- Updated Dfhack and TWBT to newest version. Fixes a lot of dfhack-related bugs.
- Added new engraved floor tile, by RadGH.
- Made mining designations on rock clearer. (Hopefully)
- Added (optional) Gemcutter's Workshop. Makes gem blocks for walls/floor and furniture. (You can remove it in the launcher, it's part of the decorational-workshops option)
- Added new design for the Librarian's Office.
- Added Librarian's Office to the same button as the other workshops, so that you can remove it at will.
- Added sprites for gem constructions: Walls, fortifications, floors.
- Added sprites for gem furniture.
- Added 8 new creature sprites for adventurers/visitors, performers and scholars of Gila Monsters Men and Leopard Gecko Men.
Creatures:
(https://i.imgur.com/Q0Lec1X.png)
New engraved floor (by RadGH):
(https://i.imgur.com/pO4jfS0.png)
New librarians office:
(https://i.imgur.com/i3K8Qld.png)
Gemcutters Shop:
(https://i.imgur.com/MM9bTPR.png)
Gem walls and furniture:
(https://i.imgur.com/JVhByHm.png)
As you can see the gem set is a copy of the stone set, just with additional gem decorations on it. I thought it's a good solution because the items are easily recognizeable, you can mix/match stone and gem sets, and use them as highlights in stone rooms without breaking the style.
The Gemcutter's shop needs one rough gem to make one piece of furniture, or to make four blocks. Just like the Mason's shop. The only difference is that it can make beds too, as requested. :)
If you like this sort of addition, I can have a look at ice and bone sets next. There are also the options of more dye-colors for cloth, carpets, tapestries, paintings... or colored blocks (like the good old Masterwork Brick Oven(TM))
Cheers,
Meph
Post by: Splint on August 07, 2018, 03:47:48 pm
Post by: FrankVill on August 07, 2018, 04:22:00 pm
No doubt, this is the best tileset so far, really amazing Meph! Other cuestion, what display resolution is better for 32x tilesets? I use 1920x1080 on windows 10, but when I have an anouncement that pauses the game and centers where it is happening, the image is off center. Is it related with my resolution?
Post by: Descan on August 07, 2018, 04:24:28 pm
Post by: Splint on August 07, 2018, 04:40:09 pm
Gem bed? How can I build a non-wooden bed?
No doubt, this is the best tileset so far, really amazing Meph! Other cuestion, what display resolution is better for 32x tilesets? I use 1920x1080 on windows 10, but when I have an anouncement that pauses the game and centers where it is happening, the image is off center. Is it related with my resolution?
Feature for the gem cutter workshop. Can build whole furniture sets out of gems, as well as blocks to build gem walls with.
And come to think of it, I was wondering about that bug you're having myself, cause I have the same set up. Figured it was a quirk of the tileset or maybe DFhack.
Either splint hacked it in, or he had an artefact gem bed laying around. I recall that the impetus behind making the gem bed was someone had an artefact bed that wasn't rendering properly, that might have been Splint even.
Nah, that wasn't me. I advocated for making furnishings of stuff like gem and bone so those sets would see more use besides maybe one thing here and there, and to help with stress management because to use the example from before, if someone who likes brass and to add to it, a milk quartz, has a brass bed and milk quartz cabinet, there's no way he can avoid getting good thoughts from them because he'll have to use those things sooner or later.
EDIT I have to share this with someone. A bit of hunter behavior I never knew about.
(https://i.imgur.com/FhatZMb.png)
The hunter has three dead chinchillas which he shot himself in his room. For some reason. Screenshot also shows chalk (the stone in general) bituminous coal (the vein stone,) wood bed, and Meph dwarf, hunter sprite specifically, as well as one of the new remains tiles. Atis, the hunter, is standing on the gem chest unfortunately, though since it was gray chalcedony it would have just looked like a generic light grey coffer.
I just laughed way too hard at the fact that in leiu of a butcher shop, hunters apparently opt to store kills in thier bedrooms like sociopathic freaks, which is saying something considering how dwarves are.
Post by: Popokolara on August 07, 2018, 07:47:05 pm
1. Grimlocke's mod that adds weapon types and rebalances combat could potrentially break things, or this package does not affect those files?
2. What exactly does slower farming do? how slower does things become? Could it be causing the crops to be so slow, planting them in their last season of the year they can be plant, results in them withering due to needing more than 1 month?
tnx.
Post by: Nikitaw99 on August 08, 2018, 01:42:27 am
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Post by: Meph on August 08, 2018, 02:27:16 am
Grimlocke mod: Rename the new item files to "item_Z_whatever.txt" so that they are loaded last. Otherwise it breaks item graphics.
Slower farming doubles the farming time. Not enough for the behaviour you describe, shouldnt take longer than a full month.
Bug noted. I assume it's about the hellfire imp "adv mode" tick staying active? If yes, it's harmless.
Splint: You zoomed in ingame for that screenshot, right? That's why there is a white border around everything with transparent background. It looks better if you take the screenshot first, then zoom in in the image file. (The reason being that twbt resizes the white background files, which get blurry and create this white hue around everything.)
Post by: Splint on August 08, 2018, 02:35:41 am
Post by: Popokolara on August 08, 2018, 05:45:55 am
its not important since i only need a few of them, but thought you should know.
Post by: Meph on August 08, 2018, 06:43:44 am
Post by: Ads333 on August 08, 2018, 07:38:41 am
Great work though.
Post by: Meph on August 08, 2018, 09:26:18 am
Gem bed? How can I build a non-wooden bed?sorry, somehow skipped that question at first.
No doubt, this is the best tileset so far, really amazing Meph! Other cuestion, what display resolution is better for 32x tilesets? I use 1920x1080 on windows 10, but when I have an anouncement that pauses the game and centers where it is happening, the image is off center. Is it related with my resolution?
Its a twbt quirk when mixing a square tileset with a not-square text tileset, which results in the game zooming to a wrong position. At least this is my best guess... You can try a square text tileset and see if it fixes the issue for you :-)
EDIT:
Wolverine man melee unit, ranged unit, performer and scholar.
Chinchilla man melee unit, ranged unit, performer and scholar.
This time I tried Vordaks armors instead of mine, for more variety.:)
(https://i.imgur.com/GjWIOGT.png)
Post by: Popokolara on August 08, 2018, 05:38:54 pm
Something else: Halberds and other large weapons. I i read in the wiki that most dwarves would not be able to use them due to size. I also know wiki tends to be outdated. In general can i somehow be sure my dwarf troops are properly armed and able to fight? Can i know if all the tropps i had eqquiped with spear+shield in my last game for example, actively and efficienctly used their armaments? All weapons in the raw have a a 2 hand line, so i dont know how to make sure they have the gear i want them, or what gear they can even wear as a group or an individual.
Post by: Splint on August 08, 2018, 07:13:57 pm
Something else: Halberds and other large weapons. I i read in the wiki that most dwarves would not be able to use them due to size. I also know wiki tends to be outdated. In general can i somehow be sure my dwarf troops are properly armed and able to fight? Can i know if all the tropps i had eqquiped with spear+shield in my last game for example, actively and efficienctly used their armaments? All weapons in the raw have a a 2 hand line, so i dont know how to make sure they have the gear i want them, or what gear they can even wear as a group or an individual.
two-handed is the minimum size to use the weapon at all, one handed is the size to use something one-handed, if I remember right. Height and broadness modifiers are supposed to be taken into account, so some dwarves would be able to use great weapons two-handed (or one-handed with a shield, though with a severe attack penalty, as some enemies do.) Supposedly though said modifiers might still not be taken into account, meaning dwarves can't use great weapons (halberd, pike, two-handed sword, great axe, maul,) period except in traps. Trolls on the inverse, can use any great weapon one-handed, while humans generally can always use them two-handed.
All dwarves can use spears, as can virtually all animal men and kobolds; just check thier inventory to make sure they actually picked up the weapon, cause sometimes they may follow orders and not get thier weapons because of circumstance (enemy nearby, wild animals, tantruming dwarves attacking them are all ones I've seen.)
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on August 08, 2018, 07:16:51 pm
Something else: Halberds and other large weapons. I i read in the wiki that most dwarves would not be able to use them due to size. I also know wiki tends to be outdated. In general can i somehow be sure my dwarf troops are properly armed and able to fight? Can i know if all the tropps i had eqquiped with spear+shield in my last game for example, actively and efficienctly used their armaments? All weapons in the raw have a a 2 hand line, so i dont know how to make sure they have the gear i want them, or what gear they can even wear as a group or an individual.
two-handed is the minimum size to use the weapon at all, one handed is the size to use something one-handed, if I remember right. Height and broadness modifiers are supposed to be taken into account, so some dwarves would be able to use great weapons two-handed (or one-handed with a shield, though with a severe attack penalty, as some enemies do.) Supposedly though said modifiers might still not be taken into account, meaning dwarves can't use great weapons (halberd, pike, two-handed sword, great axe, maul,) period except in traps. Trolls on the inverse, can use any great weapon one-handed, while humans generally can always use them two-handed.
All dwarves can use spears, as can virtually all animal men and kobolds; just check thier inventory to make sure they actually picked up the weapon, cause sometimes they may follow orders and not get thier weapons because of circumstance (enemy nearby, wild animals, tantruming dwarves attacking them are all ones I've seen.)
TWO_HANDED size is the size the creature needs to be to "Not" use it with 2 hands. min size is the size needed to use it at all
Post by: Splint on August 08, 2018, 07:59:20 pm
Something else: Halberds and other large weapons. I i read in the wiki that most dwarves would not be able to use them due to size. I also know wiki tends to be outdated. In general can i somehow be sure my dwarf troops are properly armed and able to fight? Can i know if all the tropps i had eqquiped with spear+shield in my last game for example, actively and efficienctly used their armaments? All weapons in the raw have a a 2 hand line, so i dont know how to make sure they have the gear i want them, or what gear they can even wear as a group or an individual.
two-handed is the minimum size to use the weapon at all, one handed is the size to use something one-handed, if I remember right. Height and broadness modifiers are supposed to be taken into account, so some dwarves would be able to use great weapons two-handed (or one-handed with a shield, though with a severe attack penalty, as some enemies do.) Supposedly though said modifiers might still not be taken into account, meaning dwarves can't use great weapons (halberd, pike, two-handed sword, great axe, maul,) period except in traps. Trolls on the inverse, can use any great weapon one-handed, while humans generally can always use them two-handed.
All dwarves can use spears, as can virtually all animal men and kobolds; just check thier inventory to make sure they actually picked up the weapon, cause sometimes they may follow orders and not get thier weapons because of circumstance (enemy nearby, wild animals, tantruming dwarves attacking them are all ones I've seen.)
TWO_HANDED size is the size the creature needs to be to "Not" use it with 2 hands. min size is the size needed to use it at all
I have definitely remembered then. I was probably thinking two handed was that things up to x size had to use it two handed and thinking minimum size was to use it one handed. <_>
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 09, 2018, 12:32:26 pm
*snip*yes, that's how far i could track it. using mephs 32x32 and a nonsquare font, because otherwise the menu would take up at least 3/10 of the screen in compact mode and 6/10 in normal mode and most fullscreen menues wouldn't fit at all.
Its a twbt quirk when mixing a square tileset with a not-square text tileset, which results in the game zooming to a wrong position. At least this is my best guess... You can try a square text tileset and see if it fixes the issue for you :-)
*snip*
Post by: Meph on August 10, 2018, 02:20:02 am
(https://i.imgur.com/NEntS0N.png)
Post by: Splint on August 10, 2018, 03:25:17 am
Post by: Meph on August 10, 2018, 04:10:00 am
If I'm wrong, please someone let me know. ;-)
Post by: Splint on August 10, 2018, 04:18:33 am
(https://i.imgur.com/DMOjr48.png)
Like aquatic mammals, the poor bastards "Air-drown" on land.
Post by: Meph on August 11, 2018, 03:31:45 am
Edit: i made a few sprites for splints mod, not strictly sneaking for this set, but here we go :
(https://i.imgur.com/kL80G1O.png)
Post by: Splint on August 11, 2018, 08:27:38 am
But damn, I suppose I have to figure something out for a showcase story now. :P
Post by: umbrelladroid on August 12, 2018, 04:14:36 pm
Any idea what pairing i need to make in the FONT and GRAPHICS_FONT selections on lazy newb pack to make it look like the images as seen above in this thread ?? Any help appreciated..cheers
Post by: Meph on August 12, 2018, 05:18:22 pm
If you want everything, use the download I provide.
Post by: Meph on August 12, 2018, 05:19:59 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/QqV5IeJ.png)
Fly man, moth man, grasshopper man, scoprion man, mantis man, tick man, louse man, thrips man, slug man, mosquito man, jumping spider man, moon snail man, brown recluse spider man and snail man.
They are a bit busy because:
- Insects have lots of appendages.
- They are insect-men, so even more complicated.
- They have clothing/items.
What do you guys think?
PS: The mantis entertainer is trying very hard to make balloon animals, but I think it will end badly.
Post by: umbrelladroid on August 12, 2018, 05:37:47 pm
umbrelladroid, for LNP questions best ask the LNP author. I think you have to manually install TWBT. Either way, you only get a smaller version of the tileset with less features.
If you want everything, use the download I provide.
ah cheers thanks for that..
one question, are you able to use the Soundsense with yours or just vanilla DF sound ??
Post by: Splint on August 12, 2018, 08:04:59 pm
Post by: Meph on August 13, 2018, 01:29:52 am
Splint: Stone, Flux, Wood, Fungiwood, Metal, Silver, Gold, Gem, Marble, Obsidian. As well as clay walls/floors and ceramics walls/floors/items. Sadly both clay and ceramics can't be used for furniture in vanilla DF, so I might add that later. (?)
Missing are adamantine (never satisfied with what I come up with), bone, ice and glass. But just so you know, those updates are fully save compatible, so if I were to add adamantine and glass; your already existing fort can easily import the changes.
Post by: El_Stono on August 13, 2018, 02:15:11 am
Post by: Grigor on August 14, 2018, 12:23:00 pm
One issue though: unless I turn of unit sprites, all my dwarfs look horrible. And no matter what I do, some materials look very off. For example, you can't tell what's schist floor and schist wall, it's the same graphics. And some other tiles look entirely different from what they should be.
Also, DFHack gives me a long list of some sort of error messages: "TWTB: no costum building for name BANNER_DECORATED" ... PAINTING 1", "...ALPHABET_A" and so forth...
Have I missed something? Messed something up? I took my old saves and simply pasted them into the save folder after downloading?
Post by: Meph on August 14, 2018, 12:33:43 pm
You can also try copying everything from the tileset raws into the save raws, but make a Backup first, because it will most likely break. ^^
So... Yeah, you need to start a new fort when using this set.
Post by: Meph on August 14, 2018, 05:26:23 pm
More!
You guys think that 100+ animal men sprites warrant a new release? ^^ (Just as a note: To finish all of them, I'll have to do almost 1000)
Post by: ZayZe on August 15, 2018, 12:51:00 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 16, 2018, 09:17:01 am
Post by: Meph on August 16, 2018, 10:59:56 am
although i like the joke, can you make the spiderman optional? :Dif you supply a more fitting alternative, sure. :-)
Post by: Meph on August 16, 2018, 03:11:30 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/MB4Hc9q.png)
PS: What do you guys think about decorations for walls or floors?
(https://i.imgur.com/vDt8RC1)
Post by: Splint on August 16, 2018, 03:22:13 pm
Post by: Meph on August 16, 2018, 03:28:39 pm
You build a "Engravers/Decorator's Shop", run the job "Decorate stone block". Use "decorated stone block" to build the walls/floors.
Can be done for any material. I'd just need to decide how many tiles I want to sacrifice for that. They are easy to mass-produce, but I don't want to throw several full tilesets into the mix, just for something so minor.
Post by: Splint on August 16, 2018, 03:33:40 pm
Post by: Vordak on August 17, 2018, 05:53:16 am
But for me it's important that dwarven shield design remained unique.
(https://i.imgur.com/AYWZTse.png)
Post by: Meph on August 17, 2018, 05:59:51 am
Post by: Vordak on August 17, 2018, 06:14:36 am
Here are my old shields, use whatever you want.
(https://i.imgur.com/9o990Xu.png)
Post by: Splint on August 17, 2018, 06:50:01 am
@ Meph - So, what's the ETA on the next update? Getting a file of reactions looked over by someone so I'll be ready to do that fort soon.
Post by: Vordak on August 17, 2018, 06:54:48 am
@ Vordak - Well in fairness unless he decides to make his own dwarves use those shields, people who don't use the Vordak Dwarves option won't see those shields otherwise.
Well in fairness unless I provided a variant with redrawn shields, there is nothing to discuss here.
Post by: Meph on August 17, 2018, 08:40:30 am
No idea about a release... I'm working on the bone set atm. Why, are you going to start your community fort soon?
Post by: Splint on August 17, 2018, 08:45:46 am
Post by: Meph on August 17, 2018, 10:01:51 am
(https://i.imgur.com/SUfd6NV.png)
Icecutter
(https://i.imgur.com/EtDwAOl.png)
Bone set
(https://i.imgur.com/lzQV3YTl.jpg)
Bonecutter
(https://i.imgur.com/z0r10Ql.png)
Decorations
(https://i.imgur.com/IObVWN2.png)
Decorator
(https://i.imgur.com/ShH00s6.png)
What do you think?
I feel like the ice and glass versions are a bit boring, but dont think that people use them that much anyway...
I have the sprites done, but not the overrides, creature graphics, reactions or Workshops. ^^
Post by: Splint on August 17, 2018, 10:14:57 am
Some people would actually probably use the glass set fairly often, namely on sandy volcano embarks. It also gives me an idea for the fort, but I'm gonna need a nice tall hill to build the mayor's estate into with glass...
Those bone walls look ghastly and I fuckin' love it because of that. :D They remind of me pictures of the Paris catacombs.
For the decorator, maybe a couple banners as well, or a sort of head icon thing?
Post by: Meph on August 17, 2018, 11:28:40 am
Mind that I probably have to make multiple directions and materials for each decoration...
Post by: Splint on August 17, 2018, 11:50:02 am
This might help explain better, though with no shading it's less obvious.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 17, 2018, 01:59:07 pm
i used to like piceling, but my work always looked strange to others as i got deuteranomaly and have problems with shades of colors.although i like the joke, can you make the spiderman optional? :Dif you supply a more fitting alternative, sure. :-)
Post by: Meph on August 17, 2018, 04:12:01 pm
I also made some quick ceramics furniture sprites and different floors for stonware, earthenware and porcelain.
Overrides are done too, reactions and workshops missing.
Pvt.Pirate: Try, if you like doing pixelart :)
Post by: DWARFFRAWD on August 17, 2018, 10:49:07 pm
It seemed Cilvilzed is becoming benign.
But i dont know what differ between Slavers, Savage, Evil.
Post by: Descan on August 17, 2018, 11:44:29 pm
Beyond that, I think savage are like kobolds, they'll send thieves but otherwise don't bother you, slaver will send snatchers, raids, and eventually sieges, while evil won't do the snatchers but will raid/siege.
Post by: Meph on August 18, 2018, 03:09:57 am
I think they're mostly for alliances, as the tooltip for factions say. So slavers will ally with slavers, savages with savages, and evil with evil.almost entirely correct. Savage will still send sieges, they dont act like kobolds.
Beyond that, I think savage are like kobolds, they'll send thieves but otherwise don't bother you, slaver will send snatchers, raids, and eventually sieges, while evil won't do the snatchers but will raid/siege.
They all siege you, but savage steals, slavers kidnap and evil does both.
If you want kobold behaviour, thats the skulking Tag.
Edit: Mh... internet is super shaky here, couldn't even download a 12mb file. No update for now. :/
Post by: Celarious on August 18, 2018, 02:54:01 pm
Basically, some of the launcher options like "Hide dfhack" and "Varied ground tiles" don't stick
But the main issue is that the 24x24 and 16x16 graphics files are not included anywhere, I tried to find them to use them and I couldn't.
I need to use these lower resolution versions of the tileset since I only have a 1080p monitor, and the 32x version doesn't display properly
Post by: Descan on August 18, 2018, 03:20:34 pm
Post by: Meph on August 19, 2018, 12:37:23 am
Huh. On the launcher, Kobolds are listed as "Savage." Maybe I misread it.you didn't misread it. They are in the savage grouping, but that is not what governs their behaviour.
Post by: a52 on August 19, 2018, 02:57:59 pm
It might even be useful to put that information into the OP, as well as any differences between this pack and the PE SP.
Post by: Meph on August 20, 2018, 06:40:47 am
Post by: rashik on August 20, 2018, 07:41:56 pm
walls around right ladder are designed for digging but this is so unclear. and the same situation with most stones in game. i hope this will be fixed. (im using LNP Starting pack)
Post by: Meph on August 20, 2018, 08:16:39 pm
Post by: rashik on August 20, 2018, 10:46:30 pm
Post by: Prismaa on August 21, 2018, 01:43:03 am
https://imgur.com/2p6ISMl
walls around right ladder are designed for digging but this is so unclear. and the same situation with most stones in game. i hope this will be fixed. (im using LNP Starting pack)
I had this "issue" in the Meph pack too, sometimes its hard to see if something is designated for digging or not because of this
Post by: Celarious on August 22, 2018, 01:42:23 am
Post by: Meph on August 22, 2018, 07:55:49 am
They just looked too shitty and way less good than most 16x sets out there.
EDIT: Good news, everyone! I'll be back in Germany, which means back at my laptop, electricity and stable internet, coming saturday. From there on I can do much higher quality updates and test stuff on my little list. The next update to the tileset will come shortly after that. :)
Post by: Descan on August 22, 2018, 01:09:27 pm
Post by: Splint on August 22, 2018, 01:53:25 pm
EDIT: Oh, and does the varied statue thing need Vordak's on to work? I asked awhile ago in a PM but never got an answer.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 23, 2018, 09:25:36 am
Sorry. Yes, they were removed long ago. I have now updated the readme accordingly.Willkommen zurück in der Heimat!
They just looked too shitty and way less good than most 16x sets out there.
EDIT: Good news, everyone! I'll be back in Germany, which means back at my laptop, electricity and stable internet, coming saturday. From there on I can do much higher quality updates and test stuff on my little list. The next update to the tileset will come shortly after that. :)
Post by: Meph on August 23, 2018, 10:36:45 am
Pvt Pirat: Thanks :-)
Descan : I have now climbed the highest mountains of 26 european countries, 19 remain. 7 Island states, 4 in the baltic, 4 in Skandinavia, 4 in the alps. I'm not done yet and will do a few more this year, but I dont think I'll do all of them this year. Next year I complete that little list for sure. Generally sneaking I'll be bilboing around most of the time, just like the last 12 years ;-)
And another good news: i just realized that with the twbt color extension, the brick oven is not limited to the 16 df colors, but i could extend it to accept all color token in descriptor_color_default.txt. Which means giving players build materials in all 114 colors the game has, from aquamarine over amber, rust, dark tan to moss green. :-D
Post by: Splint on August 23, 2018, 01:21:37 pm
I was just wondering since it's clearly based on Vordak's set.
Post by: Meph on August 23, 2018, 01:27:47 pm
They use a different system than the Material-based sprites.
You have 1 statue sprite each for each of the Material-sets, but 256 statues for normal stone statues. These are assigned randomly. For those that dont like the randomness, i added the option to disable them and instead use a single sprite, just like for every other materal.
Edit: i decided on this system so that people can have both at the same time: vast variety of stone statues, but uniform alternatives of other materials, to build symmetrical room decorations.
Post by: Meph on August 23, 2018, 03:01:34 pm
Post by: Splint on August 23, 2018, 03:27:17 pm
Well, lesson for the story fort then. And I sense brightly colored mosaic floors in that fort's future in the larger rooms.
Post by: Meph on August 23, 2018, 03:32:08 pm
Good idea or too much?
Its currently pretty much free too (only costs a boulder and a fuel unit)...
Post by: Splint on August 23, 2018, 03:37:36 pm
Post by: Boltgun on August 24, 2018, 02:50:50 am
What would you say about more than bricks? Currently the colored blocks are only for constructions, but I could allow players to make boulders in all colors too... For furniture.
Good idea or too much?
Its currently pretty much free too (only costs a boulder and a fuel unit)...
It could be nice. Perhaps those would count as clay, being made of it and all, to promote using the kiln alongside the oven? Or would that be too much trouble?
Post by: Meph on August 24, 2018, 03:13:49 am
But I could make the bricks from clay in the first place. Problem is that embarks without clay would be out of luck.
Post by: Boltgun on August 24, 2018, 03:31:27 am
But if the goal is too simply to have colors without requirements, the best is to not touch the bricks and leave the option to produce whatever you want.
Post by: Meph on August 24, 2018, 03:45:46 am
Too easy, people abuse it to make the game easier.
Too hard, people dont use it.
114 colors might be a bit overwhelming in the first place. :-D
Post by: smakemupagus on August 24, 2018, 01:06:02 pm
I already have new reactions for the kiln and stoneware, earthenware and porcelain furniture. Unrelated to the colored bricks...
But I could make the bricks from clay in the first place. Problem is that embarks without clay would be out of luck.
I like colored bricks a lot, but much prefer the reaction to take materials, like (10 clay + 1 of the correct dye powder) = 40 bricks. If you don't have clay and indigo dye then maybe this particular fortress doesn't get to have indigo bricks. But this is maybe off topic and gets into a game design philosophy discussion :)
From a tilesets and graphics point of view, then many colored bricks is awesome.
Post by: Meph on August 24, 2018, 01:14:04 pm
For carpets for example I can easily request 1 unit of cloth. :)
Edit:
(https://i.imgur.com/TOuy8Ph.png)
Only some Adamantine missing. Any requests for more material-sets?
Post by: smakemupagus on August 24, 2018, 01:24:40 pm
I understand the idea, but with ... what, 4-5 dyes in the game I can't make 114 colors. :D Atm they cost (1 boulder + 1 fuel) = 4 bricks. So a slight step up from normal blocks, which just require a boulder.
For carpets for example I can easily request 1 unit of cloth. :)
Yes, I understand, so for me the fun would be researching some plausible ways that bronze/iron age civilizations made pigments from different materials, especially minerals that are in the game but underutilized, and maybe ultimately make 10 dyes/pigments, but with a richer 114 color palette available they could be *exactly* the right color :) Almost any fort could make white lead pigment, but a fort that has that rare/beautiful/expensive color pigment would be special.
Post by: Rose on August 24, 2018, 01:52:39 pm
Post by: Meph on August 24, 2018, 02:06:51 pm
Those stairs really could use some unification.I had a uniform design at first, but people hated it. Then I started to try different designs, ladders, spiral staircases...
Now I dont want to delete them. ^^ but i could do away with the doorway-like Stairs.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 24, 2018, 02:52:02 pm
Those stairs really could use some unification.yep.
also an idea for those working with colours: what about making tiles, like in reality tiles from the materials you want and have blocks of other materials covered with them.
just like decorative colums don't have to be made from the same material center and cover.
Post by: Meph on August 24, 2018, 03:08:52 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/XxePJOj.png)
Shields, Engravings, Candles, Swords, Face, Books, Fountain, Wall-Carpet, Flower Pot, Rack, Skull, Map, Magma-Something/Oven, Goblin Trophy, Anvil Engraving, Painting.
Post by: Splint on August 24, 2018, 03:34:56 pm
And I sense that map being a must for my militia commander rooms.
Post by: Meph on August 24, 2018, 06:45:11 pm
Rose gold set.
(https://i.imgur.com/lrNsLvn.png)
Don't murder me. :D (only took a few minutes to make)
Post by: Caz on August 24, 2018, 06:58:29 pm
I know it's stupid, but...
Rose gold set.
(https://i.imgur.com/lrNsLvn.png)
Don't murder me. :D (only took a few minutes to make)
I actually love you for this, I made a rose gold fortress and was so sad because it was just boring pale pink bricks :(
Post by: Splint on August 24, 2018, 07:00:35 pm
Oh, and question. How does the icecutter work? Like, would it work outside glacier embarks, and so it could be used for other purposes in say, a story?
Post by: Meph on August 24, 2018, 07:33:03 pm
So, lets say you have a Tundra embark and make ice furniture in winter, it might melt in summer, depending on the ambient temperature.
As long as its permafreeze in your biome, you are good.
Constructions also last, regardless of temperatur. You can stop magma with a constructed ice wall. (unlike undead dragons...)
Post by: Splint on August 24, 2018, 08:43:46 pm
Post by: Meph on August 24, 2018, 09:26:44 pm
Post by: Splint on August 24, 2018, 10:06:17 pm
Post by: Meph on August 24, 2018, 10:38:18 pm
The Icecutter accepts ice boulders (while the mason doesnt), because I explicitly wrote the reactions for each piece of furniture to accept ice boulders and nothing else.
Its like asking why the kiln accepts clay (while the mason doesnt) = because the raws say so.
Post by: Descan on August 24, 2018, 11:23:19 pm
Post by: Rose on August 24, 2018, 11:28:20 pm
Would it be possible to mod a reaction that takes two dyes and spits out a dye of a third color?
Post by: Meph on August 24, 2018, 11:42:33 pm
I mean, i just put them in,and I dont even remember all the names.
Post by: Splint on August 25, 2018, 01:03:30 am
Maybe I didnt understand the question right.
The Icecutter accepts ice boulders (while the mason doesnt), because I explicitly wrote the reactions for each piece of furniture to accept ice boulders and nothing else.
Its like asking why the kiln accepts clay (while the mason doesnt) = because the raws say so.
I was under the impression ice was basically water, so ice boulders were useless for anything but basic construction, like with raw clay.
Saying "because it's modded" is like saying "the sky is blue." Really generic answer that doesn't answer anything, hence my confusion. This time around though you did much better. :P
I vote a modified version of the ice set for ethereal material stuff when you get around to rebooting the warlocks. I also vote saving any dye needs to make colored bricks for Masterwork.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 25, 2018, 04:51:00 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored_gold#Rose,_red,_and_pink_gold
i would just use the gold set with a more red-ish colour.
Post by: Meph on August 25, 2018, 04:39:46 pm
hmmm i like how much effort you put into the rosegold set and it looks awesome for some purpose. but rosegold is an alloy...The design I posted is a visual pun. I'm aware of what rose-gold is. ^^
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored_gold#Rose,_red,_and_pink_gold
i would just use the gold set with a more red-ish colour.
Splint: Clay can't be used because clay boulders lack the STONE token, that's all. I can easily make any reaction accept clay boulders for any purpose, including the mason.
So yes, for the vanilla DF mason ice-boulders are useless, but for anything modded ICE BOULDER just another reagent, like IRON BAR or WOOD CHAIR.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 26, 2018, 03:42:27 am
i should have known... just like the spiderman :Dhmmm i like how much effort you put into the rosegold set and it looks awesome for some purpose. but rosegold is an alloy...The design I posted is a visual pun. I'm aware of what rose-gold is. ^^
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored_gold#Rose,_red,_and_pink_gold
i would just use the gold set with a more red-ish colour.
[snip]
Post by: db48x on August 26, 2018, 07:27:17 pm
Post by: Mrok Girl on August 27, 2018, 06:28:40 am
Post by: Meph on August 27, 2018, 06:33:41 am
Post by: Splint on August 27, 2018, 03:04:31 pm
Bricks in Masterwork dont need dye...
We know, but a couple people suggested it for this, when it sounds more like something to have in masterwork.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 28, 2018, 08:30:53 am
i agreeBricks in Masterwork dont need dye...
We know, but a couple people suggested it for this, when it sounds more like something to have in masterwork.
Post by: LordBalkan on August 28, 2018, 11:29:41 am
But I am here today to check if someonelse is having the same issues.
Recently I "discovered" about Kisat Dur and decided to give it a try.
Unfortunatly, when in Adventurer Mode, the "Stealth" mode does not show to me the "enemy sight" as it currently do in any other tileset.
Please, say that I am the only one with that!
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Post by: Afghani84 on August 28, 2018, 01:37:47 pm
first of all: thanks for all the great work with Mastermod and this tileset. I used to run phoebus but was always itching to try this one.
I downloaded it and I am running it with the LNP 44.12 right now (dfhack on, TWBT print mode). I read that I have to start a new embark with this set, so that's what I did.
Now I get the following issue:
Selected plants for harvesting are not highlighted. Going back to phoebus I can see that they were designated but it does not show with your tileset.
Designated trees are highlighted without issue. Is there a fix for this? I'd really like to use your tileset...
Post by: Meph on August 28, 2018, 03:25:32 pm
Hello there! Thank you Meph for this great tileset. It is a greatmaster work indeed.I have no idea how "stealth enemy sight" should look. If you could show me a screenshot with another set, I might be able to reproduce it.
But I am here today to check if someonelse is having the same issues.
Recently I "discovered" about Kisat Dur and decided to give it a try.
Unfortunatly, when in Adventurer Mode, the "Stealth" mode does not show to me the "enemy sight" as it currently do in any other tileset.
Please, say that I am the only one with that!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hi Meph,It's on my list of issues that are being worked on. I think it's a transparency issue, since the new plants use twbt overrides. I'll test.
first of all: thanks for all the great work with Mastermod and this tileset. I used to run phoebus but was always itching to try this one.
I downloaded it and I am running it with the LNP 44.12 right now (dfhack on, TWBT print mode). I read that I have to start a new embark with this set, so that's what I did.
Now I get the following issue:
Selected plants for harvesting are not highlighted. Going back to phoebus I can see that they were designated but it does not show with your tileset.
Designated trees are highlighted without issue. Is there a fix for this? I'd really like to use your tileset...
Post by: Ziusudra on August 28, 2018, 08:50:54 pm
I have no idea how "stealth enemy sight" should look. If you could show me a screenshot with another set, I might be able to reproduce it.Found on google images:
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Post by: LordBalkan on August 28, 2018, 09:34:25 pm
I have no idea how "stealth enemy sight" should look. If you could show me a screenshot with another set, I might be able to reproduce it.Found on google images:That's what it looks like by default - the peasant is looking due south.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It is a funny sweet text you got there hahahahah
Thank you for helping with the print tho.
Post by: Meph on August 29, 2018, 02:11:05 am
I assume that it does that to everything you look at. Only way to fix it is to make all tiles transparent.
Post by: Ziusudra on August 29, 2018, 02:40:09 am
Ah, it does apply a different background color. Not visible because there is no transparency on the grass in this tileset.Well ... it doesn't show you which way dead creatures are looking, but it does for unconscious ones (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=6942). Oh, and creatures on other levels. But yeah, whatever they're looking at.
I assume that it does that to everything you look at. Only way to fix it is to make all tiles transparent.
I don't see any report for this. Maybe Toady could add a different method for graphics mode, like brightness or hue shift.
Post by: Meph on August 29, 2018, 04:00:38 am
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like brightness or hue shift.For DF, that is a hue shift. More or less. ^^ With the engine as is, Toady can't do much else than what he did, unless he introduces completely new graphics features. Like brightness. ::)
Post by: Meph on August 29, 2018, 06:10:43 am
(https://i.imgur.com/TGtZ0aN.png)
A test with 80 different brick colors.
Post by: Splint on August 29, 2018, 06:27:53 am
Post by: Meph on August 29, 2018, 07:07:53 am
To be more precise: A MASSIVE UPDATE!
Download here: Meph Tileset V4 - 44.12 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
Hey everyone; I'm finally back at my laptop and stable internet and can do proper work. I collected all the things I did, tested, played a bit, and present to you the big Meph Tileset V.4 update. There are many fixes; additions include 2 mod-workshops for colors and cleanup; 3 mod-workshops for new material-set; over 100 animal men sprites and more.
Lets get started: Material sets. Whenever you build a construction or furniture, it takes the material into account and that determines the style. Here are all the finished sets. I'm currently working on Adamantine, Slade and an optional Wicker/Plant set.
(https://i.imgur.com/TOuy8Ph.png)
The glass, ice, brick and bone set are new in this update.
You might wonder how you make furniture out of bricks, bones or ice? With new workshops:
Bonescrimmer's Shop:
(https://i.imgur.com/z0r10Ql.png)
This workshop takes two bones and makes either a piece of furniture; or four blocks.
Icecutter's Shop:
(https://i.imgur.com/EtDwAOl.png)
This workshop takes an ice boulder and makes either a piece of furniture; or four blocks. Mind that they melt if it gets to hot; only recommended for glaciers!
Potter's Shop:
(https://i.imgur.com/pR4veNo.png)
This workshop takes clay, fireclay or kaolinite boulders and makes a "greenware" item; for example a "greenware chair". That chair must be fired in the kiln to create a "stone/earthenware chair", which can then be used.
That's not all!
To help with FPS issues, and because atom-smashing is a bit immersion breaking, I added the Crematory:
(https://i.imgur.com/MLrmyY0.png)
This workshops burns items away; creating ash. Takes yarn, silk, leather, cloth, wood items...
But wait, there is more!
TWBT allows the use of the descriptor_colors ingame. What does that mean? Vanilla DF has 16 colors. Black/White and seven colors in dark/light versions. But the ingame descriptions have colors like Amber, Moss-Green, Aquamarine, etc. Sadly, you can't see those in the actual graphics.
Now you can. The Brick Oven:
(https://i.imgur.com/UtRg1fj.png)
This workshop takes one boulder and one fuel (or magma) to create four blocks of a wanted color. 114 colors in total. Those can be used for any construction. Depending on the feedback, I can add the option to use those for furniture too. Please let me know what you think.
Spoiler: 80-colors as floors. (click to show/hide)
The new workshops are of course optional and can be disabled in the launcher for those that dislike modded content. It's the "decorational workshops" button. Besides the new materials, colors and workshops, I also did some work on animal professions. Animal men mercs, scholars and entertainers might visit and join your fort, so they get their own, special, unique sprites:
ANIMAL MEN! - 180 new sprites!
(https://i.imgur.com/QqV5IeJ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MB4Hc9q.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/4P2vNXz.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/NEntS0N.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Q0Lec1X.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/GjWIOGT.png)
But wait... there is even more!
I fixed the "item carried shows wrong tile" bug for the following 19 items:
- Prepared meals, Weapon racks, Coffers, Rings, Buckets, Anvils, Beds, Statues, Cloth, Hatch Covers, Flasks/Waterskins, Slabs, Siege Engine Parts, Rough Gems, Crowns, Meat, Leather, Cabinets, Bracelets.
This was a ton of work. I had to sacrifice the animated vermin tiles for this... but I think it's worth it. In total I had to juggle with 57 tiles, in the artwork, the text files and the twbt-overrides to get this to work, but I'm quite happy with the result.
Be prepared that I will post a lot more in future, about mods and graphics alike; and if you can afford it, consider buying me a coffee to ease the work. ;) You have the option of supporting me on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-shot on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
Edit: As a note for Vordak: Those are old screenshots of the animal men, I did replace the shield designs.
Post by: Splint on August 29, 2018, 07:21:10 am
Post by: LordBalkan on August 29, 2018, 08:10:22 am
Ah, it does apply a different background color. Not visible because there is no transparency on the grass in this tileset.
I assume that it does that to everything you look at. Only way to fix it is to make all tiles transparent.
So... there is a way to make this work with your tileset? I mean, which setting do I need to change in order to make all tiles transparent?
And if there is no way to change.. I'll play with vanilla then...
Anyways, thank you very much for the work.
Post by: Meph on August 29, 2018, 08:22:13 am
In theory you just have to open all .PNGs in data/art in a photoediting software like Photoshop and make the image transparent... maybe 80% opacity or so.Ah, it does apply a different background color. Not visible because there is no transparency on the grass in this tileset.
I assume that it does that to everything you look at. Only way to fix it is to make all tiles transparent.
So... there is a way to make this work with your tileset? I mean, which setting do I need to change in order to make all tiles transparent?
And if there is no way to change.. I'll play with vanilla then...
Anyways, thank you very much for the work.
But I don't know what it does to all the colors and other tiles ingame, so extensive testing would be required.
Post by: LordBalkan on August 29, 2018, 08:32:48 am
In theory you just have to open all .PNGs in data/art in a photoediting software like Photoshop and make the image transparent... maybe 80% opacity or so.
So... there is a way to make this work with your tileset? I mean, which setting do I need to change in order to make all tiles transparent?
And if there is no way to change.. I'll play with vanilla then...
Anyways, thank you very much for the work.
But I don't know what it does to all the colors and other tiles ingame, so extensive testing would be required.
Got it... well, hope you dont bother doing this now. Employ your efforts in improvements for the tileset itself :D
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 29, 2018, 10:29:59 am
is that from the LP video "surprise dentistry"? :DI have no idea how "stealth enemy sight" should look. If you could show me a screenshot with another set, I might be able to reproduce it.Found on google images:That's what it looks like by default - the peasant is looking due south.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hommit on August 29, 2018, 12:30:54 pm
ps: what, no rose gold set? :D
Post by: Splint on August 29, 2018, 12:34:31 pm
Post by: Meph on August 29, 2018, 12:36:15 pm
wow. just wow.Sorry, just made the mock-up so far. Didn't find the time to write the overrides, add the png and test.
ps: what, no rose gold set? :D
Post by: Hommit on August 29, 2018, 12:57:21 pm
Sorry, just made the mock-up so far. Didn't find the time to write the overrides, add the png and test.That's totally not a problem. You do the awesome work!
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 29, 2018, 02:09:11 pm
good old prussian virtue of delivering the best you can :Dwow. just wow.Sorry, just made the mock-up so far. Didn't find the time to write the overrides, add the png and test.
ps: what, no rose gold set? :D
on another note, i tried again to use the lates LinuxLNP and took your lightweight pack. it works and looks great, but the mousequery again acts up.
so i can either go back to the version prior to psyche-update or fix it...
have to write with the LinuxLNP guys, because your dfhack stuff is .dll while linux uses .sh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ got to see how i get this working again.
Post by: Afghani84 on August 29, 2018, 02:48:47 pm
are you also planning on updating the legends for all the sprites and objects? some things I cannot identify yet...
i.e. just got a red speech bubble with a "?" popping up on one of my dwarves. what does it mean?
Post by: Meph on August 29, 2018, 02:50:02 pm
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? = No Destination: The creature has a job, but no destination. They get this when you shut a door on their faces. Also momentarily flashes when they first get a job.
More at http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Status_icon (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Status_icon)
The tileset just uses a little speech-bubble with a '?' in it, instead of just a '?' because it's what the dwarf is thinking.
Post by: Afghani84 on August 29, 2018, 03:35:46 pm
It means the same as a ? in vanilla DF.thanks for the quick answer and link. having a blast with the tileset so far ;DQuote? = No Destination: The creature has a job, but no destination. They get this when you shut a door on their faces. Also momentarily flashes when they first get a job.
More at http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Status_icon (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Status_icon)
The tileset just uses a little speech-bubble with a '?' in it, instead of just a '?' because it's what the dwarf is thinking.
Post by: Ziusudra on August 29, 2018, 09:44:29 pm
I found it on a google image search for "dwarf fortress sneaking". Google found it here (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.854916-So-Dwarf-Fortress-Updated#21163182). For some reason TinEye doesn't find it anywhere. So ... maybe.Found on google images:is that from the LP video "surprise dentistry"? :DThat's what it looks like by default - the peasant is looking due south.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: vettlingr on September 05, 2018, 01:40:30 pm
But also some shameless self advertisement. ;D
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I hope I fit the general style quite well, even though i've been using a pretty standard gimp install.
Post by: Splint on September 06, 2018, 03:16:09 am
I tried my hand at drawing and made a graphics set for my mod suitable for your tileset. :)
But also some shameless self advertisement. ;DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
I hope I fit the general style quite well, even though i've been using a pretty standard gimp install.
They look like a good match, and your timing is impeccable. I was just looking for some stuff to add in to make a story fort a bit more interesting, apart from having a mildly deranged interior decorator/architectural engineer hampering everyone's efforts to survive.
They look like a fairly good match for the tileset's general style too honestly. it'll be good to have at least a few things not sticking out like a sore thumb that I add ;)
Post by: Meph on September 06, 2018, 03:42:54 am
Post by: Splint on September 06, 2018, 03:58:50 am
But that's all building stuff, which doesn't necessarily draw people too well, and everyone's seen the same old same old from the caverns and such, y'know? May as well make a real show of this; people want blood, they want dangerrr, and a little bit of artwork and maybe a good story, not just me showing off the varied and very well done tileset assets in specific practices. Just a showcase ain't my style. I don't want to appeal to those squishy milk-drinkers who don't want dangerous worlds full of chaos and violence.
I'm gonna build that place, use your tileset to make it look damned good, and I'm going to use my enemies to make soap while I do it.
Post by: Meph on September 06, 2018, 07:39:55 am
Can be easily added to the main tileset by simply removing UNDIGGABLE from slade. That way people playing vanilla DF get access to this set by mining hell.
(https://i.imgur.com/iyLRaBv.png)
Succubus statue sprite is from Castlevania. :)
Thoughts?
Post by: Splint on September 06, 2018, 08:11:41 am
Looks good to me overall, though I feel like the doors need something to make them less normal looking, same for hatches. Maybe some red bits to imply eldritch runes or dark energies in them.
Post by: Meph on September 06, 2018, 08:37:51 am
Post by: Splint on September 06, 2018, 08:52:46 am
But still, kudos. looks like a neat addition. Also didn't know that on the hatches. They just seemed kinda stand-outish without any red to them like the walls, but hey. I learned something today, so there's that.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 06, 2018, 10:18:49 am
Post by: Meph on September 06, 2018, 10:28:31 am
(https://i.imgur.com/BZJrER2.png)
Copper (Steampunk/Gears)
(https://i.imgur.com/cFghgWA.png)
Rose-Gold (taken literally)
(https://i.imgur.com/pMSUcvj.png)
As you can see it gets quite busy if you make entire floors covered with the same material of furniture, mostly because the colors blend into each other. (I've made the floors darker to increase contrast since I made those screenshots). I recommend using the fancier stuff sparingly, instead of plastering everything with weird-looking floors. :P It looks much easier on the eye on neutral background, like rock floor.
Comparison:
(https://i.imgur.com/FFunbck.png)
Post by: Splint on September 06, 2018, 10:43:47 am
Post by: Meph on September 06, 2018, 10:55:50 am
Post by: Boltgun on September 06, 2018, 11:29:54 am
The slade parts are great, I really like that there is big locks on the doors. :) The copper floor may use more neutral colors to make the furniture easier to see, it's a bit busy right now.
The rose gold floor are a big no. It would be nice to make it a garden decoration but with both plants on the floor, wall and item everything is eating each other. Perhaps simply having a rose plate with a floral pattern and keep the rose on the furniture ?
Post by: Meph on September 06, 2018, 11:53:47 am
Download: Meph Tileset V4.1 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
This update adds three new little features: Constructions and furniture for slade, for copper and for rose-gold. 96 new sprites in total.
Slade is a dark, demonic and somewhat sexy set, mostly aimed at the Succubus mod by Boltgun.
Copper is a steampunk-style set with cogs and gears.
Rose-Gold is the gold set decorated with roses. Don't murder me. :P
(https://i.imgur.com/FFunbck.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5SPL5Sc.png)
Any other requests in that line?
I'd next work on more unique corpses, bodyparts, remains and the like.
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
Post by: Splint on September 06, 2018, 12:10:32 pm
Post by: Vordak on September 06, 2018, 12:14:56 pm
1)Copper floor must be more darker - no contrast with furniture - yes pain for eyes.
2)Slade throne with peaks...it is very funny, good idea (not sarcasm), It is only necessary to make statues in the form of long cylinders with two balls in the base more stylistic beauty.
3)Rose gold - it's pinkish gold, it was possible to simply change the color of gold set, see pic. below. Not in dwarven style all these roses.
(https://i.imgur.com/ObUpn1V.png)
Post by: Hommit on September 06, 2018, 12:34:53 pm
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As you can see it gets quite busy
I'll take on the role of villain:yeah, this. too bright :(
1)Copper floor must be more darker - no contrast with furniture - yes pain for eyes.
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3)Rose gold - it's pinkish gold, it was possible to simply change the color of gold set, see pic. below. Not in dwarven style all these roses.it's a joke, and used for artistic accents :)
also, rose floor should be darker too, or less roses, i dunno. right now it look like giant red mess imo and blends with items (maybe take gold floor tile and add rose on rhombus edge or something)
furniture is great tho
Post by: Rose on September 06, 2018, 12:39:18 pm
Post by: Splint on September 06, 2018, 12:43:31 pm
For the copper set, I personally don't take issue, but I could see where others might. Not enough contrast on parts of the floor tile maybe.
Now that I look at the slade chair, I thought they were just grates for some reason ::), though now that I look at it, that probably wouldn't be comfortable for sitting on. Maybe switch out the star on the table for a skull with a heart in the forehead and switch the star to the chair and see how it looks? Or not, your call.
I do a lot of drawing, so this is something I actually can provide something resembling useful input on, even if it's just the tables and chairs. :P
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 06, 2018, 01:05:33 pm
i also forgot how to fix mousequery... i think it was just a fixed dfhack .plug.so somewhere on github though.
copypastinging the mousequery.plug.so from the 44.09 just doesnt work - saying it were written for another version of dfhack.
the only thing that doesnt work is the scrolling on screenborder when not in any dmode or lmode or qmode.
i'll post this in dfhack and twbt support threads, because i remember something about twbt having its own version of mousequery.
Post by: vettlingr on September 06, 2018, 01:10:01 pm
Using the darkening done on the hatchcover tile for the floor should also help. Dwarves have dirty boots and floors get dusty!
Post by: Meph on September 06, 2018, 01:11:46 pm
Post by: Meph on September 07, 2018, 08:40:34 am
Not a request, but god damn is that a badass statue for the copper set.Thank you, but it's a slighty altered statue from the old game Wild ARMs.
I'll take on the role of villain:1. Done.
1)Copper floor must be more darker - no contrast with furniture - yes pain for eyes.
2)Slade throne with peaks...it is very funny, good idea (not sarcasm), It is only necessary to make statues in the form of long cylinders with two balls in the base more stylistic beauty.
3)Rose gold - it's pinkish gold, it was possible to simply change the color of gold set, see pic. below. Not in dwarven style all these roses.
2. Statues should like like giant penises?
3. I know, it's a joke.
For the copper set, you can consider having a patina on construction tiles, where appropriate. Some green on there.Cool idea.
I fiddled around with so far unused things in TWBT: corpse parts, butchery products, refuse...
(https://i.imgur.com/1SXiSm4.png)
As you can see, brains, lungs, livers, hearts, etc work. But I can only get it to work with specific creatures, like "dog" or "cat", not in general. Might do it for all the domestic pets at least.
Refuse is somehow bugged, can't get skulls, skins, nervous tissue etc to show properly; but I managed to get randomly assigned sprites to work for bodyparts. No more copy-paste refuse stockpiles.
And more importantly, rotten meat looks rotten. :)
Post by: vettlingr on September 07, 2018, 09:46:16 pm
Post by: Meph on September 08, 2018, 05:05:35 pm
Here a quick mock-up using Neoriceisgood food sprites, which I put on wooden boards/plates to fit the current theme:
(https://i.imgur.com/tQB6aUU.png)
Dwarves would simply keep making prepared meals, but instead of "cookie, stew and roast" there'd be a few more types ingame. How about "Burger, Tart, Pie, Cake, Soap, Sish-Kebab, Donuts, Pancake, Wings, Fry, Balls, Wraps, Sandwich, etc" ? :)
They'd still have the same values, ingredients, etc. Doesn't change game balance in the slightest.
Post by: Splint on September 08, 2018, 05:15:15 pm
Of course this also means figuring out how in the world someone made a cake out of cow tallow, rutherer guts, and kangroo spleens, but hey. Details. :P
Post by: Rose on September 08, 2018, 11:12:25 pm
Post by: Meph on September 09, 2018, 01:40:32 am
Or a majestic roast of "mushroom, mushroom, mushroom, mushroom". :P
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You might actually be able to show different sprites depending on primary ingredient.I know, but with X meals and Y ingredients, that might be a few sprites more than I'd like. Lets say I do 30 meals X "every edible thing in the game"... :D
Post by: Rose on September 09, 2018, 02:33:54 am
Post by: Hommit on September 09, 2018, 05:15:07 am
I know, but with X meals and Y ingredients, that might be a few sprites more than I'd like.Maybe some broad generic catergories? Like leaves, shrooms, meat, intencities, seeds, and whatever else
Post by: Hague on September 09, 2018, 12:46:09 pm
Post by: Meph on September 11, 2018, 03:04:56 pm
I like the copper tileset too. You could probably re-color it for the varieties of brass as well since Brass is a pretty steampunkish metal too.No need to recolor it; it gets color ingame.
Post by: Meph on September 14, 2018, 06:25:16 am
Download: Meph Tileset V4.2 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
A small, new update has arisen! Bodyparts from your butcher now have fitting sprites:
Eyes, guts, brain, stomach, heart, kidney, liver, nerves, spleen, meat, lungs, gizzard... even fat and tallow got new graphics.
As you can see, a rotten refuse-version also exists, making it easy to identify what causes all the miasma in your forts. Please excuse the maggots.
Last, but not least, I'm working on the look of refuse stockpiles. You can see a variety of different bodypart and corpse sprites, which will get assigned randomly to the fitting type. For example bird corpses take from the selection of 8 bird skeletons you see; below that are the canine corpses.
(https://i.imgur.com/esHRvbB.png)
Apart from the addition of the new graphics, the tileset got a few under-the-hood upgrades:
- Items graphics no longer get mixed up with modded items you might add. You can drag&drop as many mods in here as you like. (Splint, Boltgun, Smake... that's for you.)
- Fixed a bug with wrong display of constructed walls, if they are next to other, unrevealed constructed walls. (Happens at fort reclaims or adv-mode. Thx clinodev.)
- Plants designated to be gathered now correctly show their designations. (aka their background turns dark.)
That's it for now. I have several ideas for future additions, but wanted to wait for the feedback about this update. :)
Cheers,
Meph
PS: The bodyparts depend on the creature_material, so I have to add them for each individual creature. So far I've only added them to the domestic ones; since those are the ones you butcher the most.
Post by: Splint on September 14, 2018, 10:50:04 am
Post by: Vordak on September 14, 2018, 10:51:36 am
Post by: Meph on September 14, 2018, 01:34:33 pm
Vordak: Sure thing, will do on the next update. :)
Post by: Splint on September 14, 2018, 01:52:33 pm
Post by: Durian Hohlades on September 14, 2018, 02:31:39 pm
Post by: Meph on September 14, 2018, 04:55:11 pm
What exactly is planned? You've been updating pretty consistently every few days, which is part of why I haven't started the fort, just as a precaution. Anything major?Lots, I have an eternal to-do list. But nothing that should stop you from starting a fort, otherwise you never start.
Post by: Splint on September 14, 2018, 07:35:56 pm
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 04:39:42 am
1. New twbt sprites, overrides, etc: Completely compatible.
2. Changes to existing raws, compatible, if you update your save manually.
3. Additions of new raws, incompatible; requires a new world-gen.
Changes to extras, like utilities, the launcher, etc should always be fine with older saves.
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 01:08:43 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/O1lmZff.png)
What do you guys think?
Post by: Vordak on September 15, 2018, 01:12:53 pm
What do you guys think?For dwarven fortresses it is better to leave your old icon (stone face) - immediately(better) catches the eye.
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 02:15:01 pm
I tried Japas material-specific overrides on trees....
(https://i.imgur.com/CAuyUue.png)
It works. Top shows different leafs, bottom left are new/improved trunks/branches, bottom right are fungi-wood trunks.
Only issue is that there are a lot of leafs and without twbt redraw_all 1 it gets muddled with artefacts (wrong tiles/wrong type of leaf) while scrolling quite quickly.
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 03:56:00 pm
Bone items... surprisingly few items are made of bone in vanilla DF. :D
In order:
- Bone Crown
- Bone Bracelet
- Bone Amulet
- Bone Bow
- Bone Scepter
- Bone Figurine
- Bone Bolts
- Bone Ring
- Bone Earrings
- Bone Crossbow
- Bone Greaves
- Bone Leggings
- Bone Gauntlets
- Bone Helmet
I like the word Bone. ^^
Edit: Scrap that. Fell/Fey mood dwarves might make:
Quote
Bone carver (bone) Each equipment item with [BARRED] (leggings, greaves, gauntlet, helm), any shield, instrument, toy, door, bed, chair, table, statue, coffer, bin, armor stand, weapon rack, cabinet, coffin, floodgate, hatch cover, grate, chain, cage, animal trap, figurine, amulet, scepter, crown, ring, earring, bracelet, any weapon, any trap component†Of those I'm still missing: Shield, Buckler, Instruments (procedual), all toys (5), bin, floodgate, grate, chain, cage, animal trap, all weapons (24), all trap components (5)... huh. 42 tiles in total, just for moods...
Post by: Splint on September 15, 2018, 04:39:49 pm
I mean I could try a "dual fort" set up specifically to showcase the ice set with a glacier fort, but ehhh...
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 04:47:01 pm
A bit of variety for books and coin stacks:
(https://i.imgur.com/7vmoB7N.png)
Edit: And some prepared fish and raw fish:
(https://i.imgur.com/6dGA6tl.png)
Edit2: Some variety for stockpiles :D
(https://i.imgur.com/fBJVE1f.png)
Post by: Vordak on September 15, 2018, 05:41:46 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/FmxjPZD.png)
Upd. Two bone bins, grate, 3 floodgates.
(https://i.imgur.com/0iXrTmt.png)
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 06:25:10 pm
Food stuffs:
(https://i.imgur.com/eTGVgK0.png)
I modded in a few more prepared-meals. No changes in game balance, but a few more names and sprites to go around; instead of copy+paste roast, roast, roast and roast. ;)
Meals are:
- Soup
- Mash
- Pudding
- Bread
- Creme
- Donuts
- Skewers
- Rolls
- Muffins
- Dessert
- Burger
- Pasta
- Cake
- Pancakes
- Balls
- Ribs
- Ham
Food sprites are taken from https://www.deviantart.com/neoriceisgood/art/100-Food-sprites-348664936 (https://www.deviantart.com/neoriceisgood/art/100-Food-sprites-348664936)
Post by: Splint on September 15, 2018, 06:26:20 pm
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 06:27:33 pm
I always wanted edibleFixed. :Psoapsoup. :P
Edit: Small-Humanoid corpses and (giant) insect corpses:
(https://i.imgur.com/hZVXfR8.png)
Edit2: Small-critter corpses and reptile corpses:
(https://i.imgur.com/L8PPEvW.png)
Damn, making variants of already existing sprites is so fast... :D
Edit3: Large-humanoid corpses and snake corpses (3 base sprites for humanoids are Vordaks)
(https://i.imgur.com/uLQdlEf.png)
I start to feel like this might be overkill just for prettier refuse stockpiles...
Post by: Vordak on September 15, 2018, 08:23:26 pm
Dagger, short sword, long sword, scimitar, battle axe, war hammer, mace, morningstar, flail, whip, scourge, spear, pick.
Pike, halberd, 2h sword, great axe, maul, blowgun.
(https://i.imgur.com/1pLdbfK.png)
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 08:33:37 pm
They look great. :)
I think I'll have to make a poll, asking if people want those available in some way. Apart from the super-rare moods.
Could you do a breastplate and boots? (Vanilla DF only allows greaves, helm and gauntlets. With those missing items, people could make a full bone-armor set)
Post by: Vordak on September 15, 2018, 08:36:18 pm
Could you do a breastplate and boots? (Vanilla DF only allows greaves, helm and gauntlets. With those missing items, people could make a full bone-armor set)
Write a complete list of things to do for the bone, tomorrow I will do it.
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 08:42:30 pm
I think that's it.
Post by: Splint on September 15, 2018, 09:04:21 pm
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 09:10:03 pm
But Vordak made all the weapon and trap sprites, so I might as well give them some use. :)
Differences between Flask, Waterskin and Vial; as well as Mug, Goblet and Cup:
(https://i.imgur.com/SZkronv.png)
Post by: Splint on September 15, 2018, 09:43:10 pm
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It should be ok-ish for armors
Not according to vanilla. Has about the same durability as wood and leather - that is, virtually none, even against like fists and teeth.
Post by: Meph on September 15, 2018, 10:13:26 pm
Edit: Wooden bridges...
(https://i.imgur.com/S9CuQp9.png)
Edit2: Constructed, material-specific ramps. Obviously super basic, but at least they will fit visually both to the floor around them, and to the normal, natural ramps.
(https://i.imgur.com/hoXn15i.png)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 16, 2018, 02:45:24 am
as the latest version is a tantrum-spiral-prone thing and i still cannot get mousequery edge to work properly, i ask this:
what does it take to make this backwardscompatible with version 44.09r01? (for copying it into the linux LNP version :-X )
Post by: Meph on September 16, 2018, 06:36:40 am
For 44.09 you can just copy everything over (graphics, raws, etc), but I dont know if the twbt version for 44.09 allows specific materials sprites and variety.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 16, 2018, 07:24:38 am
No idea about linux, mousequery (I don't even know what it does, or what doesnt work with it now)...what would be the worst that could happen if TWBT didn't support it? CTD? or merely just loading the unspecific sprites instead?
For 44.09 you can just copy everything over (graphics, raws, etc), but I dont know if the twbt version for 44.09 allows specific materials sprites and variety.
Post by: Meph on September 16, 2018, 08:11:14 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 16, 2018, 08:59:13 am
It wouldnt load the new sprites.well - it did, but it also turned many things into statues etc :( i'll have to stick to your regular 44.09 then.
Post by: Vordak on September 16, 2018, 09:18:28 am
Breastplate, high boots, buckler, shield, crutches, splints, animal trap, toy boat, puzzle box, toy hammer, toy axe, mini-forge, chain, tool(scroll rollers), music instrument.
(https://i.imgur.com/qtBWzCR.png)
Upd. Added music instrument.
Post by: Meph on September 16, 2018, 10:17:07 am
I'll get to work with the overrides and making them available to the player.
Now I really want to do a glass set too :D
Edit: And the last remaining corpses:
(https://i.imgur.com/nOA3ERX.png)
Post by: Meph on September 16, 2018, 02:47:53 pm
- Variety for bins, barrels, corpses, raw fish, prepared fish, books, coins.
- Unique sprites for flask, vial, waterskin; mug, cup goblet; wood trunk, mushroom trunk, saguaro trunk.
- Difference between fresh and rotten meat/cheese.
- Eighteen new food types, modded in.
- Fifty-five bone item sprites, mostly for mood-only items.
- New design for wooden bridges.
(https://i.imgur.com/xmOEc8Z.png)
In addition to that, I also have 42 ramp sprites. ^^
Edit: I've been staring at tiles all day, so I can't really judge anything anymore :D Carpets... carpets... which one you like?
(https://i.imgur.com/og4UH8Q.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/FNtDQpU.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BGh3jyV.png)
or maybe like this?
(https://i.imgur.com/zYy56IF.png)
Post by: Ph.D Banana on September 17, 2018, 04:02:06 am
(https://i.imgur.com/zYy56IF.png)
I think this one looks the best personally. Having segmented squares with patterns inside really helps to tell it apart as a rug/carpet vs just weird red/color tile.
Post by: Meph on September 17, 2018, 04:45:09 am
(https://i.imgur.com/8OxWSSn.png)
It kinda works, but I'm really not satisfied with the transition from Left-Right walls and Up-Down walls. Makes it hard to keep a consistent style. :/
The other problem is the color. This is a mock-up, but ingame they look white... because pig-tail is light grey, silk is white, and sheep wool is light grey.
Edit: I'm not sure...
(https://i.imgur.com/j6ud2ce.png)
I tried a few new things, like the banners for statues/stands, and a hammock as bed... but otherwise I'm not sure if a cloth-set is worth it.
Edit2: Metal bridges?
(https://i.imgur.com/93mU4QS.png)
Post by: Silpion81 on September 17, 2018, 12:05:16 pm
I like the sprites but updating to new versions should not be a chore for you.
Post by: Meph on September 17, 2018, 12:13:41 pm
Post by: Splint on September 17, 2018, 02:00:20 pm
Personally I'm in favor of anything that gives us more options for stress management in terms of giving people things they like made of materials they like.
I like the knotwork border for the metal bridge, but I dunno about the patterning on the "floor" bits in the middle. Might be a bit too much, but I'm not totally sure.
Post by: Vordak on September 17, 2018, 03:57:28 pm
Atop - your original.
Down - version with normal stroke and no extra white pixels.
Also noticed that three tree trunks - wood, mushroom, cactus (sprites beside food) - are 1 pixel down.
Post by: Hommit on September 18, 2018, 02:06:40 am
but otherwise I'm not sure if a cloth-set is worth it.Cloth furniture? Walls? Ehhh.... Just... why?
Also not sure if metal bridge should be this curvy. Maybe, like square metal plates?
Post by: Meph on September 18, 2018, 02:08:46 am
(https://i.imgur.com/Ls029Z2.png)Added your improved version. Thanks :)
Atop - your original.
Down - version with normal stroke and no extra white pixels.
Also noticed that three tree trunks - wood, mushroom, cactus (sprites beside food) - are 1 pixel down.
Currently testing things ingame.
Because vanilla DF already has cloth walls. You can embark on camps, sometimes you find "tents" with leather, cloth or silk walls.but otherwise I'm not sure if a cloth-set is worth it.Cloth furniture? Walls? Ehhh.... Just... why?
Lso not sure if metal bridge should be this curvy. Maybe, like square metal plates?
I mainly wanted to add them because of banners, carpets, etc. Decorations.
Just think about it for a bit... Carpets. Table-cloths. Hammocks. Mattresses. All made of textile. And none of them exist in DF.
Post by: Silpion81 on September 18, 2018, 10:25:11 am
E.g. like in this mock-up:
(https://i.imgur.com/ltg8Yog.png)
Post by: Meph on September 18, 2018, 10:32:50 am
I'll test, but I assume that they are transparent, yet show black background if there is open-space below them. Multilayer view doesn't work on transparent items.
Edit: I tested it. Grates do not support transparency. The empty space is solid black. It does work on floor-bars though.
That being said, your grates look far better than the one I did. I was thinking of shower-drains, little holes in the floor to drain water, when I made that design.
Post by: ZayZe on September 18, 2018, 02:54:57 pm
Bringing life to my eyes with these tiles.
Post by: Meph on September 18, 2018, 04:32:13 pm
Variety for pots, bags and driftwood.
I also made new sprites for floor bars, making use of the new-found transparency for them. :)
Edit:
(https://i.imgur.com/26fwBrN.png)
It works semi-well. The bone grate shows no transparency, it's background is solid black.
The floor bars show transparency, works well with a down-ramp below it. But with open-space it shows solid-blue as background. :/
Edit2: Nicer pressure-plate:
(https://i.imgur.com/HD7iTxT.png)
Post by: Meph on September 18, 2018, 06:37:37 pm
Can you guess what those are, without me telling?
(https://i.imgur.com/K6tL7mz.png)
Post by: Splint on September 18, 2018, 06:57:18 pm
Post by: Silpion81 on September 19, 2018, 02:35:44 am
That being said, your grates look far better than the one I did. I was thinking of shower-drains, little holes in the floor to drain water, when I made that design.
You are free to use/modify the grate, I'd be happy to have contributed.
Those workshops look great!
Post by: Meph on September 19, 2018, 06:34:26 am
Download: Meph Tileset V4.3 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
This update adds a massive amount of new sprites, more than a complete tileset: 300+! Most of them are varieties of already existing sprites, which replace identical, copy+paste stockpiles with more organic, realistic looking versions. This update took about 40h of work, but I think it paid off. :)
Credits:
- Special thanks to Vordak for his help with suggestions, fixes and most of the bone item sprites. :)
- Food sprites are taken from neoriceisgood (https://www.deviantart.com/neoriceisgood/art/100-Food-sprites-348664936) set on deviantart.
- The author of DokucraftDwarven, a tileset for minecraft, allowed me to use his sprites. The metal and wood bridges are from that set.
There are now 8 different variations for:
- Bags
- Bins
- Barrels
- All corpses
- Bodyparts
- Remains
- Coins
- Books
Raw fish, prepared fish, driftwood and a few other things also get a bit of variety.
(https://i.imgur.com/7vmoB7N.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/6dGA6tl.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/fBJVE1f.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/wNPbBpF.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hZVXfR8.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/L8PPEvW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/uLQdlEf.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/nOA3ERX.png)
New sprites for the worldmap: The forests, grasslands and most settlements have better sprites now.
(https://i.imgur.com/O1lmZff.png)
Another addition is new food. This is modded; but does not change game balance at all. Each prepared meal now has 6 new types each:
- Easy: Mash, Soup, Pudding, Bread, Creme, Donuts.
- Fine: Scewers, Rolls, Muffin, Dessert, Burger, Pasta.
- Lavish: Cake, Pancakes, Ham, Balls, Ribs, Lasagna.
(https://i.imgur.com/eTGVgK0.png)
Items of different materials now show new, unique sprites too:
- Wooden cups, Metal goblets, Stone mugs.
- Glass vials, Leather waterskins, Stone flasks.
- Wooden shields/bucklers, Metal shields/bucklers.
- Stone bridges, Metal bridges, Wooden bridges.
- A complete bone-set with 58 sprites.
- Ramps now show the fitting floor tile matching their material.
(https://i.imgur.com/n1uprm0.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/SZkronv.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hoXn15i.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/S9CuQp9.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/93mU4QS.png)
Sprite improvement for trees, tree trunks/stumps, as well as a couple of tools, like the wheelbarrow and the minecart. (Thanks Vordak!) Floor and wall grates, horizontal bars... all brand new. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/CAuyUue.png)
Hope you enjoy. :)
PS: I could really need some saves from people using this tileset. It would help greatly to see large, sprawling forts that have been going for a while. Anyone got a save or two flying around?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 19, 2018, 09:34:45 am
same mousequery issue over and over again each new version (in the linux LNP).
your overrides etc should work just the same no matter if linux or win, but i can' play without mousequery - i would go stark raving mad and eat my neighbors firstborn alive, screaming "WHY DON'T YOU SCROLL DOWN AND TO THE RIGHT PROPERLY?!" :D
Post by: Meph on September 19, 2018, 09:35:57 am
What does mousequery do anyway?
Edit: Mh... figured out a way to trick the game when it comes to blood spatters on walls:
(https://i.imgur.com/1bdWR33.png)
(Edit2: Damn. that trick clashes with mining designations)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 19, 2018, 10:09:06 am
Play on windows? :Pgot to install win10. got a serial lately. still got to /dl the iso and prepare my data for migration.
What does mousequery do anyway?
Edit: Mh... figured out a way to trick the game when it comes to blood spatters on walls:
(https://i.imgur.com/1bdWR33.png)
(Edit2: Damn. that trick clashes with mining designations)
that would look so awesome...
"designations, why u no work with that?!" :D
Post by: Meph on September 19, 2018, 10:18:53 am
Sadly designations would also look like brown blood spatters. :/Play on windows? :Pgot to install win10. got a serial lately. still got to /dl the iso and prepare my data for migration.
What does mousequery do anyway?
Edit: Mh... figured out a way to trick the game when it comes to blood spatters on walls:
(https://i.imgur.com/1bdWR33.png)
(Edit2: Damn. that trick clashes with mining designations)
that would look so awesome...
"designations, why u no work with that?!" :D
On the other hand, I can do this: Mining designations... which show if its rock, ore or gem. Bit cheating I guess.
Spoiler: Large image (click to show/hide)
Edit2: Oh, and saguaros work... different design for trees :) Quick mock-up with the dokucraftdwarven cactus sprite.
(https://i.imgur.com/3KGfe84.png)
Post by: Splint on September 20, 2018, 05:48:52 am
Post by: Meph on September 21, 2018, 02:23:24 am
- Tree cap ramps (sides of giant mushrooms) now look like lots of smaller mushrooms on the side.
- Spore and fungiwoods now have two types of different shaded "leafs".
- Blood thorns and nether-caps/wood now have special trunks, showing brambles/ice.
- Floor mushrooms are a bit toned down for cavern 1
- Background of cavern plants now fits seamless into the cavern floor sprites. (Issue: Only works on one cavern at a time; I'm considering splitting/adding plants for each cavern individually)
(https://i.imgur.com/fRHXhdu.png)
Edit: Designations were on my list. Were.
Tree cutting
(https://i.imgur.com/bVQcOA4.gif)
up/down stairs, up stairs, down stairs.
ramps, mining, channels.
(https://i.imgur.com/KFHSMyb.png)
Those are the designation icons; the actual stairs do not have the arrow.
(Edit: crap. The tile:88 for the up/down stairs is also the mouse-pointer and any other area-designation for constructions, like floors or walls or bridges. I'll have to scrap that.)
Edit3: And another thing that bothered me... when you designate tracks to be build or carved, it always used the default tiles from the main tileset... which don't look like tracks at all. I fixed that and added "unfinished tracks" as sprites:
(https://i.imgur.com/QaoHJj6.png)
Post by: Splint on September 21, 2018, 02:54:55 pm
Post by: zakhad on September 21, 2018, 11:29:19 pm
Post by: db48x on September 22, 2018, 04:06:34 am
(https://i.imgur.com/zYy56IF.png)
I think this one looks the best personally. Having segmented squares with patterns inside really helps to tell it apart as a rug/carpet vs just weird red/color tile.
I agree that this floor rug is the best, but the wall-rugs on the north-south walls hurt my brain.
Post by: Meph on September 22, 2018, 10:55:17 am
As I've said, I don't like them either, but I have no other option. :/
(https://i.imgur.com/zYy56IF.png)
I think this one looks the best personally. Having segmented squares with patterns inside really helps to tell it apart as a rug/carpet vs just weird red/color tile.
I agree that this floor rug is the best, but the wall-rugs on the north-south walls hurt my brain.
Is there any way to import settings from one version to the next, the major downside i'm having with this compared to the masterwork launcher is having to many 6 or so screenshots of my settings and copy them in. If i'm missed out where this is located i'd be so happy for someone to point it it to me, otherwise it'd come as a highly requested feature.Highly requested... you are the first to ask. ^^ There was an option for saving settings in the MasterworkDFLauncher, but it was buggy, so it got removed.
Just as a heads up, it's a rather inconsequential thing, but the descriptor_color_standard file for the tileset is out of date - the color eggplant is MIA despite being a vanilla color.Noted. Jecowa also told me months ago, but it really doesn't matter because it's only used in the eggplant plant, and I use a different color there, because it gets the color directly from the sprite.
Post by: Vordak on September 22, 2018, 03:42:02 pm
p.S. Update my dwarves and goblins)
Post by: Meph on September 22, 2018, 04:08:57 pm
New caverns looks very cool. Bright colors create a great atmosphere.Done.
p.S. Update my dwarves and goblins)
And... wow! Just saw the changes you did to the constructions, furniture, etc. Every time you do stuff like that, I wonder why I made sprites in the first place. :D
Now I understand what you meant about the missing -top file for the _variety.png.
Post by: Vordak on September 22, 2018, 04:13:55 pm
Post by: Meph on September 22, 2018, 04:33:22 pm
Me by the way very puzzled that for different materials in 3 types of stairs (_MDF_constructions) do not track the dependence in the columns).Sorry, I didn't quite understand that.
Post by: Vordak on September 22, 2018, 04:41:48 pm
Sorry, I didn't quite understand that.You have a clearly laid out template for the walls i.e in every row for a certain type of wall there will be one and the same horizontal coordinate - horizontal wall will always be below the horizontal wall, same for other types of walls.
But for stairs сlear structure is not traceable - see rock, wood and silver stairs.
Post by: Meph on September 22, 2018, 04:47:57 pm
I made a mistake at one point and kept going, because I felt it was easier to move numbers around in a text file, than to move pixels around in an image file. That's all. No big plan behind it.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 23, 2018, 03:13:15 am
it's very easy: the walls don't have perspective (no trapezial stretching) so the wallrug must not have them either.As I've said, I don't like them either, but I have no other option. :/
(https://i.imgur.com/zYy56IF.png)
I think this one looks the best personally. Having segmented squares with patterns inside really helps to tell it apart as a rug/carpet vs just weird red/color tile.
I agree that this floor rug is the best, but the wall-rugs on the north-south walls hurt my brain.
Post by: Hommit on September 23, 2018, 04:49:51 am
You can embark on camps, sometimes you find "tents" with leather, cloth or silk walls.Well, tents shouldn't seamlessly combine with actual carpeted stone walls, besides afair you already made carpet decorations, no?
Is it possible to make somethng like
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=юрта or
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=чум ?
(damnit, the freaking forum garbles search text. >:( you have to copy-paste acual link from text)
like, i dunno, upright poles with cloth "waves" sticked to it, or something
Post by: Meph on September 27, 2018, 07:29:02 am
(https://i.imgur.com/r25Hj1F.png)
Wooden campfire on the left, stone campfire on the right.
Post by: Meph on September 27, 2018, 08:13:01 am
Download: Meph Tileset V4.4 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
A lot of misc improvements in this update. Everything still there as before, but better. A few small additions here and there too. A lot of pixel errors fixed, shifted sprites, that sort of thing. So, lets start:
Saguaros, which are giant cactii, usually look like trees in DF. No more:
(https://i.imgur.com/3KGfe84.png)
Giant cavern shrooms now have more unique sprites, especially the red blood thorn and the blue nethercap:
(https://i.imgur.com/fRHXhdu.png)
Designations were often mentioned as a thing that should be improved:
(https://i.imgur.com/KFHSMyb.png)
Even woodcutters got a new sprite for felling-trees:
(https://i.imgur.com/bVQcOA4.gif)
While checking designations, I noticed that carving/constructing tracks (while uncarved/unfinished) show no overrides, so I made a set of "tracks in construction":
(https://i.imgur.com/QaoHJj6.png)
Ammo always defaulted to one type while in flight... no more, now you get unique sprites for each ammo type in use. The first is the default/no-overrides, which are also used when several creatures stand on the same spot...
(https://i.imgur.com/ur0idNs.png)
The siege engines got a serious upgrade... there were plenty of TWBT bugs when a ballista is loaded, reverting overrides. All fixed/improved:
(https://i.imgur.com/gBpdhQM.png)
I also added a new workshop (optional, tied to the usual button), the campfire. I wanted to add it when I introduced the Crematory, but I didn't find the time back then. Behold, a wooden and a stone campfire, which use fuel or wood to start actual fires ingame. Great for cleaning items, or killing your FPS by accidentally (or intentionally) setting fire to the surface:
(https://i.imgur.com/r25Hj1F.png)
In addition to the new sprites, I also added 3 new embark profiles:
- Miners/Woodcutter: 6 picks and miners, 1 axe and woodcutter, with food and drinks. Embark, quickly dig your fort and prepare everything nicely, then retire it, to reclaim it with your proper embark group.
- Military: 7 fighters, ready to pick up a fort that was overrun, for example by zombies in evil regions.
- Nobles: 7 useless dwarves with social-skills, their pet peacock and some random stuff. No pick, no anvil. Can they survive?
I also updated the Vordak sprites to 1.1. He has done a lot of work on furniture and constructions too, I'm considering porting those changes to the main set.
Hope you enjoy the update. Still looking for saves to check. ;)
Post by: Meph on September 27, 2018, 10:42:15 am
(https://i.imgur.com/kXGrNfM.png)
Floor bars, vertical bars, wooden bars aka planks (item).
It does make perfect sense, why should bars only be made of metal? Of course the wooden bars would be flameable, but otherwise they work just like the metal ones. :)
Post by: Vordak on September 27, 2018, 12:05:56 pm
Also:
1) _MDF_furniture-bg.png - old name, main&-bg is _Meph_furniture.
2) _Meph_trees-bg.png - tiles #172,187 is not correspond to main file. Tiles #172, 187 must be is white - if I understand correctly how TWBT works.
3) _Meph_constructions-top.png - tile #5 is 1 pixel shifted to right.
Upd. I understand correctly? - color of barrel does not depend on the material?
Post by: Meph on September 27, 2018, 02:37:55 pm
Noticed that in the file _Meph_items.png all items all sprites now have transparency (88%) - does it make any sense or just a mistake?The transparency is because I wanted to test something with background colors, blood spatters in particular. Didn't work, the transparency didn't make any difference.
Also:
1) _MDF_furniture-bg.png - old name, main&-bg is _Meph_furniture.
2) _Meph_trees-bg.png - tiles #172,187 is not correspond to main file. Tiles #172, 187 must be is white - if I understand correctly how TWBT works.
3) _Meph_constructions-top.png - tile #5 is 1 pixel shifted to right.
Upd. I understand correctly? - color of barrel does not depend on the material?
1. Thanks. Fixed.
2. Correct, should probably be white. Fixed. Doesn't matter though in this case, since the sprites above it are not transparent. You don't see the background color anyway.
3. Thanks. Fixed. :)
Post by: Meph on September 27, 2018, 04:18:08 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/wDei2j9.png)
Post by: Vordak on September 27, 2018, 04:47:09 pm
First try at roads... for all the material sets, sometimes even two for boulder (rough X road) and block (X road) versions. 7 of them are Vordaks alternate floor sprites, which I wanted to show off in the main tileset too. :)It seems to me expedient to make for roads only two sprites (one to each type), which will always be of the same colors, without any reference to the material.
Moreover, obtaining a large floor area of expensive material by the method of building roads with low cost is not fair.
Such diversity only brings confusion.
Post by: Meph on September 28, 2018, 04:28:41 am
Trying out a few new designs... what about sandstone = ancient egypt?
(https://i.imgur.com/367UAlo.png)
Edit: Better?
(https://i.redd.it/6sd33zeamyo11.png)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 28, 2018, 08:46:22 am
Post by: LeoCean on September 28, 2018, 10:34:15 pm
Can you try to make a bone one which is just a few bones? Like how dog bone treats are made. I feel like a road of bones would be an artwork your dwarves would put a little effort into to pick the right bones, they aren't cannibals after all. Maybe they just use arms and legs after so many deaths they have enough to build roads. They could pour it in concrete and make patterns somewhat like the top right one, right now it just looks like a corpse was thrown on the ground or in a pile.
Post by: Splint on September 28, 2018, 10:52:04 pm
I'd say nix the eye for the sandstone set, that's the most stand-out aspect that doesn't fit given its potential abundance. Dunno what would be the best replacement, but it doesn't look very end-cap/column like all the same.
Post by: thetj on September 29, 2018, 11:30:33 pm
Post by: Durian Hohlades on October 01, 2018, 06:58:04 am
Post by: deathpunch578 on October 01, 2018, 05:05:26 pm
Gonna have to agree, after staring for a bit. The bone one seems a bit overly busyI agree, but it also really hurts to look at (don't know if that's just me but it legitimately hurts my eyes)
Post by: Thundercraft on October 01, 2018, 06:07:53 pm
Floors from yesterday were better...
For the most part, I agree. In particular, the coral pink floor that is 2nd to last (bottom row) is definitely worse than before. It is far too busy and the pattern is too small and irregular. It's actually hard on my eyes. The pattern for the first version seemed right. Though, perhaps the color (and/or pattern) could be adjusted?
In general, I do not like how the color and/or brightness appears watered-down on some of these in the 2nd version. Though, I suppose the colors were a bit too bright in the first version for certain floors, the last three floors especially. But, in particular, I'd prefer if the 3rd to last (bottom row) should be at least slightly bluish.
Actually... The 2nd version of floors #8 and #9 in the bottom row (5'th and 6'th from last) do look better. And I don't mind #4 (2nd version) in the bottom row at all. (That is, either version works.) Though, while I understand the appeal of simplicity in the 2nd version of #4 in the top row and while I don't mind it, I think I still prefer the 1st version.
For the rest, version 1 is definitely a better choice to me.
In order to visualize what I'm suggesting I played around with (copy'n paste + hue & brightness) these in Paint a bit. Perhaps something like this?
(https://i.postimg.cc/YhXKcrMM/Meph_Tileset_floors_proposed_version_3.png) (https://postimg.cc/YhXKcrMM)
It seems to me expedient to make for roads only two sprites (one to each type), which will always be of the same colors, without any reference to the material.
It may be more expedient that way. But (1) he already made all this variety and (2) floors are much more interesting this way. I like it.
i like the egyptian design, in forms etc, but the symbols disturb the narrative. - they should be neither directly connected to the scriptures of egyptian culture or anything - they will be seen in many places in adventure mode and that could be quite disturbing for the atmosphere.
I'd say nix the eye for the sandstone set, that's the most stand-out aspect that doesn't fit given its potential abundance.
Agreed. The overall design is good, but the easily-recognizable Eye of Horus needs to go.
Post by: vettlingr on October 02, 2018, 08:06:18 pm
(https://i.postimg.cc/6pdJTN1k/hammer.png)
Post by: Meph on October 03, 2018, 04:57:03 am
They do look quite similar... yours has more perspective. ^^
(https://i.imgur.com/G0kFXeE.png)
Post by: levonhard on October 07, 2018, 08:12:40 am
Post by: Splint on October 07, 2018, 08:24:05 am
Hey, maybe this has been answered before but i have a conundrum. When i build decorative floors (like wooden beams) i can't seem to be able to place furniture on the same tile, it says that the building spot is already occupied. As a result the furniture background is different from the decorative floor tile and it makes it look unblended.
The decorative tiles count as workshops, and so you can't build on them. The minor oddities are just something you'll have to live with, unfortunately.
Post by: Meph on October 07, 2018, 12:23:00 pm
Not with the new material-based floors I put in. I can port the old sprites into that new system... it would just be a lot of under-the-hood work.Hey, maybe this has been answered before but i have a conundrum. When i build decorative floors (like wooden beams) i can't seem to be able to place furniture on the same tile, it says that the building spot is already occupied. As a result the furniture background is different from the decorative floor tile and it makes it look unblended.
The decorative tiles count as workshops, and so you can't build on them. The minor oddities are just something you'll have to live with, unfortunately.
Post by: waterphage13 on October 07, 2018, 04:23:43 pm
P.S .:
Not afraid of crashes?
P.P.S.:
Oh, sorry, you are not talking about carpets.
Post by: Meph on October 09, 2018, 11:23:56 am
Post by: neobit on October 11, 2018, 06:35:09 am
1) When I have save compression enabled:
- seasonal saves works fine (from backup)
- Save Game (i.e. save and go to menu) fails upon loading
When I have save compression disabled Save game works fine.
2) When I place quickly many decorations on the floor it tends to crash (it might be related to mouse support though as I have seen it in PeridexisErrant's Starter Pack as well for any fast placement).
Apart from that it works and looks really great. I really love the idea of optional mods you have added in your starting screen.
Post by: Meph on October 11, 2018, 07:59:29 am
First time I hear about the compressed saves, I'll test that.
I know about the workshops and crashes... can also happen when placing farmplots a lot. You think it's mousequery?
And correction for my previous statement: I still have RL stuff to do. :/
Post by: neobit on October 11, 2018, 10:45:11 am
https://snag.gy/MPSAlx.jpg
https://snag.gy/OlNTEP.jpg
https://snag.gy/zLPIl3.jpg
https://snag.gy/SMAhJe.jpg
https://snag.gy/x5NqfZ.jpg
https://snag.gy/RsjSK3.jpg
As for the second one, it does feel like being related to the mouse caption or maybe some other thing (is race condition even possible here?). It happens to me when I exaggerate with placing many of them, like you know... key, mouse key, key mouse key... bam bam bam, crash.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on October 11, 2018, 01:06:07 pm
My settings if you want to reproduce the compression save issue completely:yes, happened to me too some time ago... currently not playing, although i foudn an old 0.44.09.r01 install
https://snag.gy/MPSAlx.jpg
https://snag.gy/OlNTEP.jpg
https://snag.gy/zLPIl3.jpg
https://snag.gy/SMAhJe.jpg
https://snag.gy/x5NqfZ.jpg
https://snag.gy/RsjSK3.jpg
As for the second one, it does feel like being related to the mouse caption or maybe some other thing (is race condition even possible here?). It happens to me when I exaggerate with placing many of them, like you know... key, mouse key, key mouse key... bam bam bam, crash.
Post by: Moridin920 on October 11, 2018, 09:43:06 pm
Post by: Geno12 on October 14, 2018, 02:25:54 pm
Could use some help diagnosing an issue here. TWBT doesn't seem to be rendering the correct background for furniture, I've looked at screenshots for the tileset and TWBT in general and it appears furniture tile-backgrounds are supported so I'm not sure whats going on.
Gen'd a new world and re-downloaded the Tileset just to double check, didn't touch the overrides or any options at all.
Here is a screenshot showing whats going on. https://imgur.com/a/pKTDJAU (https://imgur.com/a/pKTDJAU)
Post by: thetj on October 14, 2018, 04:02:42 pm
I'm using the latest version V4.4
Could use some help diagnosing an issue here. TWBT doesn't seem to be rendering the correct background for furniture, I've looked at screenshots for the tileset and TWBT in general and it appears furniture tile-backgrounds are supported so I'm not sure whats going on.
Gen'd a new world and re-downloaded the Tileset just to double check, didn't touch the overrides or any options at all.
Here is a screenshot showing whats going on. https://imgur.com/a/pKTDJAU (https://imgur.com/a/pKTDJAU)
Rename _MDF_furniture-bg.png to _Meph_furniture-bg.png in Dwarf Fortress\data\art, or replace the art folder with vordaks,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Lumpy on October 17, 2018, 05:47:27 am
edit: The issue persists even with 2D as print mode. It is kind of hard to describe what those graphical glitches look like, I will provide a screenshot as soon as possible.
Post by: Hydarius on October 26, 2018, 05:50:30 pm
Haven't had time to look into why yet, but thought I'd ask if anyone else has run into the problem.
Will post more about it once I've had time to poke the problem a little. Might take me a long time, never looked at the code DF graphics before.
Post by: Meph on October 26, 2018, 06:01:53 pm
Any have trouble getting the varied Statues to work? Took me three weeks to notice that they aren't working.There is an option the the launcher to turn them off, maybe you touched that option?
Haven't had time to look into why yet, but thought I'd ask if anyone else has run into the problem.
Will post more about it once I've had time to poke the problem a little. Might take me a long time, never looked at the code DF graphics before.
Check data/init/overrides.txt, there are those lines:
Code: [Select]
*Meph: For those that dislike the many statues, enable these two lines:
!OVERRIDE:234:B:STATUE:Statue::_MDF_overrides_7:7:::IS_STONE!
!OVERRIDE:234:I:STATUE:STATUE::_MDF_overrides_7:7:::IS_STONE!
Then disable these two lines:
[OVERRIDE:234:B:STATUE:Statue::_MDF_overrides_10:R:256:0:1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9:10:11:12:13:14:15:16:17:18:19:20:21:22:23:24:25:26:27:28:29:30:31:32:33:34:35:36:37:38:39:40:41:42:43:44:45:46:47:48:49:50:51:52:53:54:55:56:57:58:59:60:61:62:63:64:65:66:67:68:69:70:71:72:73:74:75:76:77:78:79:80:81:82:83:84:85:86:87:88:89:90:91:92:93:94:95:96:97:98:99:100:101:102:103:104:105:106:107:108:109:110:111:112:113:114:115:116:117:118:119:120:121:122:123:124:125:126:127:128:129:130:131:132:133:134:135:136:137:138:139:140:141:142:143:144:145:146:147:148:149:150:151:152:153:154:155:156:157:158:159:160:161:162:163:164:165:166:167:168:169:170:171:172:173:174:175:176:177:178:179:180:181:182:183:184:185:186:187:188:189:190:191:192:193:194:195:196:197:198:199:200:201:202:203:204:205:206:207:208:209:210:211:212:213:214:215:216:217:218:219:220:221:222:223:224:225:226:227:228:229:230:231:232:233:234:235:236:237:238:239:240:241:242:243:244:245:246:247:248:249:250:251:252:253:254:255:::IS_STONE]
[OVERRIDE:234:I:STATUE:STATUE::_MDF_overrides_10:R:256:0:1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9:10:11:12:13:14:15:16:17:18:19:20:21:22:23:24:25:26:27:28:29:30:31:32:33:34:35:36:37:38:39:40:41:42:43:44:45:46:47:48:49:50:51:52:53:54:55:56:57:58:59:60:61:62:63:64:65:66:67:68:69:70:71:72:73:74:75:76:77:78:79:80:81:82:83:84:85:86:87:88:89:90:91:92:93:94:95:96:97:98:99:100:101:102:103:104:105:106:107:108:109:110:111:112:113:114:115:116:117:118:119:120:121:122:123:124:125:126:127:128:129:130:131:132:133:134:135:136:137:138:139:140:141:142:143:144:145:146:147:148:149:150:151:152:153:154:155:156:157:158:159:160:161:162:163:164:165:166:167:168:169:170:171:172:173:174:175:176:177:178:179:180:181:182:183:184:185:186:187:188:189:190:191:192:193:194:195:196:197:198:199:200:201:202:203:204:205:206:207:208:209:210:211:212:213:214:215:216:217:218:219:220:221:222:223:224:225:226:227:228:229:230:231:232:233:234:235:236:237:238:239:240:241:242:243:244:245:246:247:248:249:250:251:252:253:254:255:::IS_STONE]
If it looks like this, everything is fine.Mind that the varied statues only work on normal rock since I added different styles for different materials. Metal, glass, gem, etc statues only have 1 sprite each.
Post by: Hydarius on October 27, 2018, 08:48:48 am
Post by: Acolyte on October 29, 2018, 02:25:09 am
Couple suggestions :
1. Screen size. Not a biggy, 'cause you can just resize after opening but still a little QOL. I tried adjusting this in the Init file to no avail. Seems to be ignored.
2. On you balancing page how about "no skill rust" and "no attribute rust". You can work around them, but in general I find them really annoying. I just went by the old standard of modding the creature_standard file, but it'd be an interesting addition.
Really liking your work.
- Shane
Post by: Dragula on October 30, 2018, 03:27:40 am
Post by: LeoCean on October 30, 2018, 05:51:27 am
On most of my maps frigging goblins are 80k pop while other races are 40k at most on large anyways stupid gobs even the wars at 200 years only have 4k deaths in a single war can't possibly kill them, most likely my edited settings however.
Post by: Dragula on October 30, 2018, 06:17:18 am
With Design new world, then use the arrow keys to choose it, they're at the bottom.Thank you!
Post by: forgotten_idiot on November 01, 2018, 01:22:49 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 01, 2018, 02:02:58 pm
Meph, is there any way to download 44.09 version of the launcher? Can't find it anywhere, and I am kinda tired of my dwarves going batshit crazy in the current version.i still got it somewhere on HDD.
i usually keep 1-2 old versions of DF and mods just in case something doesn't work in the newer versions (usually "mousequery edge" :P ).
Post by: KazumiPierce on November 02, 2018, 03:53:40 am
Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered!
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 02, 2018, 09:54:04 am
Hey! I've been having a problem recently. I'm pretty sure I've seen mention of it on this thread, but searches turned up nothing, so apologies if I'm asking an answered question. Using the tileset and launcher, for the first time ever in DF, my graphics framerate has dropped beneath my cap of 30 and (possibly unrelated) I get half second to second long hangups/freezes every few seconds. It's not a major issue, but it presents a serious slowdown and becomes irritating enough to mention. My initial theory is that it has something to do with my graphics framerate dropping and the graphics freezing up for a second to catch up, though its only a theory. I hope that this is a problem that's already been solved at other points in the thread and that my search-fu was simply insufficient to discover it, but if not I'm happy to provide whatever manner of technical information to help solve this problem.there are a handful of other possible reasons in the gameworld that can cause this.
Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered!
Post by: LeoCean on November 03, 2018, 04:39:56 am
If you have tons of mining "networks" I believe dwarves ai path to all possible areas they can path to when they choose where they are going if I recall correctly so closing off areas help lower the amount of areas they would even think of pathing to. Or possibly only allow them to path through burrow zones but who knows if that'd actually work that way or if any one would want to micro that.
If it's a fort you made yourself then tried to load mephs pack over it I can see why there could be some issues however as to make more tiles work for the overrides he's changed some of the "characters or tile #'s" inside the raw files so it could cause problems if you try to load his files with your old fortress.
That's all if it's a fortress, if it's adventure mode that's another ballgame.
Post by: Wyrdean on November 03, 2018, 01:40:11 pm
Post by: Meph on November 03, 2018, 02:13:29 pm
Encountered a bug, all text is replaced by various tiles that are completely unrelated to what's supposed to be text.Not a bug, that happens if TWBT is off. Did you change anything in the dfhack installation, or copy this tileset into a different DF version?
Post by: Wyrdean on November 03, 2018, 02:41:38 pm
After a redownload quite a few tiles many of which represent text, such as those on the main screen, are replaced by grass, fish, and stone etc...
Even map tiles are seemingly random. With crates representing hills and rivers being black squares.
TWBT is on, and I just installed it as I normally do.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 03, 2018, 03:17:27 pm
Post by: Wyrdean on November 03, 2018, 03:22:17 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 03, 2018, 03:45:22 pm
then the latest downlaod may be corrupt?erm i mean the file on the server.
Post by: Meph on November 03, 2018, 03:49:13 pm
Edit: Wow, just figured out that I could fake see-through miasma/smoke/mist... at least for furniture and items. Not sure if I can get the color right, but don't you hate it, when a room/corridor is full of miasma and you can't see anything? Worth making a few sprites for that? ^^
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 04, 2018, 05:42:05 am
i am currently not using your pack - only installed the older version onto the Linux LNP - of course missing a few sprites and cool new features that way.
Post by: Vordak on November 04, 2018, 12:49:55 pm
My reply:
The invention of a simple bicycle by using parts of a excellent bike.
In general, I have a suggestion - I give you a dwarf pattern, you draw a set based on it, where to get beard patterns you know. The result will be two compatible sets of dwarves, one of which will be have your name.
Spoiler: dwarf pattern (click to show/hide)
p.S. Why my reply here? Because, I got a shadow ban on reddit (actually this was my first post there).
Post by: Meph on November 04, 2018, 03:46:27 pm
Post by: neobit on November 09, 2018, 04:54:35 am
(...) Not sure if I can get the color right, but don't you hate it, when a room/corridor is full of miasma and you can't see anything? Worth making a few sprites for that? ^^
What is the maximum amount of layers we can have? Are things like that hitting performance badly?
Post by: Meph on November 09, 2018, 06:39:32 am
I'd make a new item sprite that looks like "item + smoke/miasma" and override the smoke/miasma with that.
Shouldn't affect performance at all, except making saving/loading a tiny fraction slower, because it increases the filesize by a few KB. ;)
Post by: neobit on November 12, 2018, 02:47:21 am
It's not about adding a new layer, I technically cheat.
I'd make a new item sprite that looks like "item + smoke/miasma" and override the smoke/miasma with that.
Shouldn't affect performance at all, except making saving/loading a tiny fraction slower, because it increases the filesize by a few KB. ;)
Nice, looking forward to it.
It sounds like a lot of manual work though, but can be automated. If you haven't, think about doing that by script. With pngs should be pretty easy to do with Python or Photoshop.
Post by: HARD on November 19, 2018, 10:40:44 am
Post by: Meph on November 19, 2018, 04:38:20 pm
Is it possible to turn off different wood colours?Only manually, in plant_standard.txt and plant_new_trees.txt. An easy workaround would be redirecting all wood types to one "standard wood". That's an easy mass find&replace. Open both files, search for "[TREE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:WOOD]" and replace with "[TREE:PLANT_MAT:tree-id:WOOD]" and all trees give you the same wood. For tree-id you can take any tree in the files... for example MAHOGANY should have a nice color. ;)
Post by: HARD on November 19, 2018, 05:01:05 pm
Post by: Mrok Girl on November 21, 2018, 03:07:43 pm
The file on the server is fine, since this is the first report about TWBT not working from over 2500 downloads.
Edit: Wow, just figured out that I could fake see-through miasma/smoke/mist... at least for furniture and items. Not sure if I can get the color right, but don't you hate it, when a room/corridor is full of miasma and you can't see anything? Worth making a few sprites for that? ^^
If you do the see-through mist, I can finally realise my fps-killing dream of a massive waterfall falling through the middle of my fortress through all the layers :D
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 22, 2018, 08:03:47 am
i built a fort under a 10zlevel waterfall and the meeting hall had fortifications towards the fall. it was amazing as long as it lasted.The file on the server is fine, since this is the first report about TWBT not working from over 2500 downloads.
Edit: Wow, just figured out that I could fake see-through miasma/smoke/mist... at least for furniture and items. Not sure if I can get the color right, but don't you hate it, when a room/corridor is full of miasma and you can't see anything? Worth making a few sprites for that? ^^
If you do the see-through mist, I can finally realise my fps-killing dream of a massive waterfall falling through the middle of my fortress through all the layers :D
Post by: Mrok Girl on November 22, 2018, 10:31:32 am
i built a fort under a 10zlevel waterfall and the meeting hall had fortifications towards the fall. it was amazing as long as it lasted.The file on the server is fine, since this is the first report about TWBT not working from over 2500 downloads.
Edit: Wow, just figured out that I could fake see-through miasma/smoke/mist... at least for furniture and items. Not sure if I can get the color right, but don't you hate it, when a room/corridor is full of miasma and you can't see anything? Worth making a few sprites for that? ^^
If you do the see-through mist, I can finally realise my fps-killing dream of a massive waterfall falling through the middle of my fortress through all the layers :D
That sounds awesome! Do you have any screenshots?
I like circles so I'm thinking of building a massive cistern above the entrance and then have a curtain of water fall in a circle all the way down to the underground water level. It'll probably flood everything if I don't do some pressure shenanigans, but not sure how to yet. Oh well. It'll be awesome for a while :)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 22, 2018, 01:25:27 pm
no, sry, no screens, but i described it before:i built a fort under a 10zlevel waterfall and the meeting hall had fortifications towards the fall. it was amazing as long as it lasted.The file on the server is fine, since this is the first report about TWBT not working from over 2500 downloads.
Edit: Wow, just figured out that I could fake see-through miasma/smoke/mist... at least for furniture and items. Not sure if I can get the color right, but don't you hate it, when a room/corridor is full of miasma and you can't see anything? Worth making a few sprites for that? ^^
If you do the see-through mist, I can finally realise my fps-killing dream of a massive waterfall falling through the middle of my fortress through all the layers :D
That sounds awesome! Do you have any screenshots?
I like circles so I'm thinking of building a massive cistern above the entrance and then have a curtain of water fall in a circle all the way down to the underground water level. It'll probably flood everything if I don't do some pressure shenanigans, but not sure how to yet. Oh well. It'll be awesome for a while :)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mrok Girl on November 23, 2018, 02:52:10 pm
i still got the initial save, so i could upload it if you want.
Sure! Show us what you've got :)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 23, 2018, 03:48:14 pm
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14125 here you go!i still got the initial save, so i could upload it if you want.
Sure! Show us what you've got :)
Post by: Mrok Girl on November 23, 2018, 07:24:27 pm
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14125 here you go!i still got the initial save, so i could upload it if you want.
Sure! Show us what you've got :)
Interesting although you didn't let the mist into the fort so not quite what I'm going for :)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 24, 2018, 06:06:37 am
well, in that safe i haven't come to opening it yet. i wanted to give you the location to build on.http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14125 here you go!i still got the initial save, so i could upload it if you want.
Sure! Show us what you've got :)
Interesting although you didn't let the mist into the fort so not quite what I'm going for :)
i can also upload the latest version.
Post by: Argelle on November 25, 2018, 04:29:27 am
(https://tof.cx/images/2018/11/25/8d8ea4716a4a30ed8e48130a052b5907.md.png) (https://tof.cx/image/kTvBh)
What is the goblin population in this image, please ?
something..60 ?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 25, 2018, 06:26:46 am
Using the amazing font "meph clean 16x24", I came across one digit (or symbol?) I cannot decypher:i got no idea, but i need that font! i am currently using cursed as font because that way the menu doesn't take up 2/5 of my screen (but only 1/4).
(https://tof.cx/images/2018/11/25/8d8ea4716a4a30ed8e48130a052b5907.md.png) (https://tof.cx/image/kTvBh)
What is the goblin population in this image, please ?
something..60 ?
Post by: Argelle on November 25, 2018, 08:28:10 am
Using the amazing font "meph clean 16x24", I came across one digit (or symbol?) I cannot decypher:i got no idea, but i need that font! i am currently using cursed as font because that way the menu doesn't take up 2/5 of my screen (but only 1/4).
(..img..)
What is the goblin population in this image, please ?
something..60 ?
Genius!
You made me realize that the letters in other fonts may well be at the exact same place, so I opened font_Meph_clean16x24.png side by side to another one, and the gray pickelated thing can either be ~ or ~~
Someone else may confirm this? (I'd rather have "around 60 gobelins" as neighboards than "960" !!)
Post by: Meph on November 25, 2018, 11:10:19 am
All numbers are written as numbers in the Meph font set. :)
Post by: Mrok Girl on November 27, 2018, 03:32:07 pm
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Calanndra/forestglimmer%205.jpg)
Post by: Psithen on November 29, 2018, 12:20:34 am
I noticed with this tileset the vision cones while sneaking in adventurer mode don't show up properly, mostly they don't show up at all however i don't remember having an issue with the tilesets I used before which i believe was phoebus and/or ironhand, not sure it's been awhile and i'm on a new PC. Is there some setting or graphic i can change to fix this?
Post by: Meph on November 29, 2018, 02:49:07 am
So i made an account cause i can't find an answer to this anywhere.It's due to TWBT. It forces a certain color on a lot of sprites, and the vision cones try to recolor those tiles... but TWBT (the dfhack plugin that allows adding to many new sprites) doesn't let it do that.
I noticed with this tileset the vision cones while sneaking in adventurer mode don't show up properly, mostly they don't show up at all however i don't remember having an issue with the tilesets I used before which i believe was phoebus and/or ironhand, not sure it's been awhile and i'm on a new PC. Is there some setting or graphic i can change to fix this?
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Any idea why all my cheese is red? Is it how it's supposed to be? It's red in every season.Not sure, but I can easily make it yellow again. ^^
Post by: Psithen on November 29, 2018, 02:54:15 am
So i made an account cause i can't find an answer to this anywhere.It's due to TWBT. It forces a certain color on a lot of sprites, and the vision cones try to recolor those tiles... but TWBT (the dfhack plugin that allows adding to many new sprites) doesn't let it do that.
I noticed with this tileset the vision cones while sneaking in adventurer mode don't show up properly, mostly they don't show up at all however i don't remember having an issue with the tilesets I used before which i believe was phoebus and/or ironhand, not sure it's been awhile and i'm on a new PC. Is there some setting or graphic i can change to fix this?QuoteAny idea why all my cheese is red? Is it how it's supposed to be? It's red in every season.Not sure, but I can easily make it yellow again. ^^
guess that means it's something that can't be fixed?
Post by: Meph on November 29, 2018, 07:45:39 am
Post by: thetj on November 29, 2018, 11:28:35 am
Post by: Novaris on December 05, 2018, 10:10:14 am
Post by: EvilWaffleThing on December 05, 2018, 10:20:57 pm
Either way, great tileset. Reminds me a bit of LttP.
Post by: kekkres on December 06, 2018, 11:21:20 am
Post by: Meph on December 06, 2018, 12:36:43 pm
I'm not sure how big an ask it is since I'm not a modder but would it be possible to incorporate the more meal variety mod from masterwork since it's only cosmetic anyway and having only 3 cooked dishes in all is a bit eh just on a cosmetic level, if not that's fine I just figured with the engraving expansion that such cosmetic adds would be a good fitI have good news for you:
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Another addition is new food. This is modded; but does not change game balance at all. Each prepared meal now has 6 new types each:
- Easy: Mash, Soup, Pudding, Bread, Creme, Donuts.
- Fine: Scewers, Rolls, Muffin, Dessert, Burger, Pasta.
- Lavish: Cake, Pancakes, Ham, Balls, Ribs, Lasagna.
(https://i.imgur.com/eTGVgK0.png)
- Food sprites are taken from neoriceisgood (https://www.deviantart.com/neoriceisgood/art/100-Food-sprites-348664936) set on deviantart.
It's already in the tileset. ;) Since version 4.3
Would this work alright with the current version of Masterwork or would it break everything?That would break everything, sorry.
Either way, great tileset. Reminds me a bit of LttP.
Hm, for some reason the water in rivers doesn't look like on your preview. I don't see the flow animation or depth numbers.The depth number you can toggle in the init or in dfhack. The animation requires "twbt redraw_all 1", or you need to open the launcher and click on the "animations" button on the first page. It's off by default, because it hurts FPS a bit (and some people report crashes, so quicksave and try it out. ;) )
Still appreciate your work immensely, I never knew how much of a nightmare assigning tiles to raws was. Truly an undertaking of utmost masochism.Thank you. :) It's a bit of a mess, with over 5000 lines of code just to assign the new images.
Post by: Novaris on December 06, 2018, 01:56:21 pm
EDIT:
I'm currently working on a 3x2 workshop that needs to be placed above magma and takes empty, magma-safe carts and fills them with magma as part of an magma-defended fortress using parts of your tileset to style it and a custom magma-funnel tile. While doing so I noticed your art folder still contains a _MDF_ file for furnatures which leads to the tables and chairs not being transparent.
EDIT2:
Strange. On a different embark on a desert map the effect is now working again. BTW I saw there was an update to TWBT 6.55, can one easily copy it over the one in your launcher or is yours a special variant (I'm asking because there are two subfolders in dfhack containting copies of the twbt plugin which your launcher seem to exchange)
Post by: McOrigin on December 07, 2018, 04:32:24 pm
It this a knows issue? Does anyone hava any idea how to fix this?
Post by: Novaris on December 07, 2018, 05:10:18 pm
rename the _MDF_furniture_bg.png in your arts subfolder to _Meph_furniture_bg.png (check the other meph files for the pattern if unclear) and restart the game. no new world necessary
Post by: McOrigin on December 07, 2018, 05:57:17 pm
Post by: Tolfus on December 09, 2018, 02:18:12 am
Anyone know a solution to this?
Link to imgur (https://i.imgur.com/vSSfQ7W.jpg)
Post by: LordSoth on December 09, 2018, 04:36:45 am
Makes the game so much more worthwhile.
But I am still missing the standardized materials feature from masterwork. :-)
It's tedious to scroll through all these leather and meat parts from animals I never see myself 😂
Curiously the last mod I found was from 2017 for the v43. xx. Seems everyone except me likes diversification so much :D
Well for myself I would like an option for getting rid of it.
Any chance that it gets back to your project here?
I tried it Manually for myself but failed miserably 8)
Best regards and keep on!
Post by: LeoCean on December 09, 2018, 10:29:42 am
Quote from: Had to quote this because of the info included with the link
Spacefox 0.40.14/15/16 twbt (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fm5pu3129fxihu6/AADqW_LsvzZ-RTa55FTodEkQa?dl=0) Lazynewbpack doesn't transfer overides.txt to the main Dwarf Fortress 0.40.0#\data\init folder so you have to manually move that. It may now.
You can just use Winmerge to see the differences between the 2 folders. There should be no overly huge changes in the raws since then.. Not 100% sure though, I skipped from 41.00 to 44.00 ;o. (in the bodies at least.. not much popped up at me when I just checked file changes, I guess you could copy a body template or creature template from the old version into a new tab in notepad++ and compare the 2 and see if there's any difference before trying to accel if you plan to sloth)
Meph are you going to do a update soon? I'm pretty sure you're on a trip. But you said you fixed the compressed save issue in october and were going to update soon but were busy irl so had to put it off. We could at least fix the issue with the furniture but the compressed save issue...
@Tolfus Idk I looked and gave up, I saw no relation to the init and the size by looking back at old versions, so honestly gave up trying to change that.
Post by: ( Tchey ) on December 10, 2018, 05:53:52 am
I'm a fake-noob (played for years, but with months or years inbtween each play).
I'm trying to use this tileset, but i have some issue it seems.
On my screen, it looks ugly, like this (screenshot) :
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm on Linux with PyLNP
Any help welcome.
Post by: Vordak on December 10, 2018, 11:18:29 am
On my screen, it looks ugly, like this (screenshot) :Describe in words what exactly you does not like.
In the pictures below is all same "ugly"?
Spoiler: pic 1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: pic 2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: pic 3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: pic 4 (click to show/hide)
Post by: ( Tchey ) on December 10, 2018, 12:02:26 pm
The uglyness was, according to my taste, mainly due to the text part.
It was an option to have simple text i didn't see.
Post by: Hylum on December 14, 2018, 09:14:47 pm
Post by: Lagash on December 19, 2018, 06:19:41 pm
I am getting quite a lot of these glitches and I hope to magically solve them with a "try this [non default option]", can anyone help me? ^_^
Post by: kekkres on December 28, 2018, 12:33:21 pm
Edit: Also and I know this is asking a lot but is there any way to give the decorations a transparency layer instead of them being set up on a "generic stone floor" it makes it difficult to use them and the brick oven in tandem.
Post by: LeoCean on December 28, 2018, 09:03:48 pm
It's probably possible for decorations to get transparency if they are like tables/chairs, it'd be more work but it's probably possible.
Edit: reaction_meph
[REACTION:DYE_TEST]
[NAME:Mill block into pigment]
[DESCRIPTION:Takes one colorful block and an empty bag and creates powdered dye.]
It's already in entity_good_dwarf, just add the [ ]
PERMITTED_REACTION:DYE_TEST
like this
[PERMITTED_REACTION:DYE_TEST]
Post by: Meph on December 29, 2018, 08:51:34 am
Post by: Torchwood202 on December 29, 2018, 02:08:14 pm
Post by: Veetor on December 31, 2018, 11:41:29 am
Hi! Is it normal to have those black backgrounds on furniture? If not, how do I fix it? Thanks.
Post by: Honeybell on December 31, 2018, 01:13:41 pm
https://imgur.com/3lpfOG3
Hi! Is it normal to have those black backgrounds on furniture? If not, how do I fix it? Thanks.
Oh yay, I came to ask this too. It's only on some furniture for me, but not all.
Post by: Ph.D Banana on January 01, 2019, 05:50:38 am
https://imgur.com/3lpfOG3
Hi! Is it normal to have those black backgrounds on furniture? If not, how do I fix it? Thanks.
Oh yay, I came to ask this too. It's only on some furniture for me, but not all.
Rename _MDF_furniture-bg.png to _Meph_furniture-bg.png in Dwarf Fortress\data\art
This worked for me.
Post by: Splint on January 01, 2019, 05:35:20 pm
https://imgur.com/3lpfOG3
Hi! Is it normal to have those black backgrounds on furniture? If not, how do I fix it? Thanks.
Oh yay, I came to ask this too. It's only on some furniture for me, but not all.
Rename _MDF_furniture-bg.png to _Meph_furniture-bg.png in Dwarf Fortress\data\art
This worked for me.
Dude, you're a lifesaver in this area. All the time I've been trying to figure out why that's been happening I never noticed there was an odd man out file.
Now if I could just figure out how to fix the color issue with my trees...
Post by: falcn on January 07, 2019, 07:10:11 am
Post by: Meph on January 12, 2019, 12:10:16 pm
I could have sworn that I fixed that misnamed png a long time ago (and I did), but I never released an update. A couple of things RL and DF related came up that distracted me for a while, but I'll continue with new updates in the coming days. :)
Post by: Vordak on January 12, 2019, 12:48:39 pm
new updates in the coming days. :)In general, a lot of changes will be?
My wishes:
In overrides.txt for _MDF_overrides_7, _MDF_overrides_8, _MDF_overrides_12 (walls, furniture and ramps) need specify foreground color 16 for next materials:
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OBSIDIAN
MARBLE
SILVER
GOLD
ROSE_GOLD
SLADE
COPPER
EVAPORATES
BONE
For example, for the obsidian constructions(walls), code would be:
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wrong code
Upd. My mistake - it is not work.
P.S. Obsidian Soul, before leave, did give to you drafts of his 32x32 tileset? I would like to get them, especially plant drawings.
Post by: Meph on January 12, 2019, 08:04:11 pm
I don't know how many changed yet, but nothing major.
Wouldnt a set foreground color from TWBT also mean that recolors like blood/vomit get overriden?
You are in luck, Obsidian did in fact send me his plants. Unfortunately with background, as a png, not a psd.
(https://i.imgur.com/MprrKO3.png)
Post by: Vordak on January 12, 2019, 08:12:25 pm
Wouldnt a set foreground color from TWBT also mean that recolors like blood/vomit get overriden?
Сarefully checked - really blood/vomit not seen(.
Post by: Meph on January 12, 2019, 09:06:57 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/BPf6ZNP.gif)
Post by: Splint on January 12, 2019, 09:16:15 pm
Post by: Vordak on January 12, 2019, 09:22:57 pm
So... how do you like shiny gems?Looks great. I like it.
My first level of caverns.
Spoiler: 1-st cavern (click to show/hide)
It may seem that nothing has changed, but in fact there is a lot of work to bring everything to a single shade (not only for underground). All plant_.txt is changed.
Post by: falcn on January 12, 2019, 09:37:07 pm
Post by: Meph on January 12, 2019, 09:46:39 pm
Ores: Random glow and steady/even glow:
(https://i.imgur.com/qMlPAUo.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/3XIFHZc.gif)
It makes ore stand out a bit more.
Edit: Falcn, it doesn't work. Bodyparts and horn/hoof/etc still use the same sprites. The screenshot you send me on Reddit was of "misc corpses", which I use for monsters.
Vordak: Looks great. I've recently seen some terrain changes in your screenshots, grass, dirt, rocks... guess you are planning a larger update?
Post by: Meph on January 12, 2019, 09:56:28 pm
- Animated gems/ores. (Optional)
- New unique paved roads for 25 materials.
- Fix for the black background on furniture. (sorry for taking a while)
- Barebones updates for the linux/mac people. :)
Post by: falcn on January 12, 2019, 10:14:11 pm
Edit: Falcn, it doesn't work. Bodyparts and horn/hoof/etc still use the same sprites. The screenshot you send me on Reddit was of "misc corpses", which I use for monsters.At least in my game nothing but horn/hoof/bones use these tiles. All bodyparts use different tile (same for every bodypart). Why have blood for dry bones if AFAIK these tiles are not used for anything but dry bones/hoofs/skulls?
Update: I was wrong. Found these tiles in caverns used for "crundle tail" etc. Still not happy, because things like "x skeleton" and "x partial skeleton" are bloody. Let me do some research and come back with actual tile numbers
BTW Vordak is right, something is wrong with marble hatches and doors.
This is marble door and marble coffer and cabinet
(https://i.imgur.com/IvVfrxq.png)
Update: commenting out their respective overrides makes them lose unique design, but returns their color to grey, which is not ideal but better that blue (https://i.imgur.com/JjfFcWg.png).
I suspect that this is a twbt problem, and there is no fix?
Update: copying tiles to _Meph_furniture-top.png makes fine white door and a hatch.
Here is a crude edit
(https://i.imgur.com/8ipCxTh.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/px1wIcy.png)
Post by: falcn on January 12, 2019, 10:20:24 pm
Post by: falcn on January 12, 2019, 10:23:49 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/qMlPAUo.gif)New gems look fantastic! Their new look makes me want to set up gem industry.
(https://i.imgur.com/3XIFHZc.gif)
It makes ore stand out a bit more.
Animated ores look gorgeous. They convey some sort of importance and value, which is good. I'm a little worried that it might be distracting on the big scale, but it's hard to tell for sure until I see them live.
Post by: Splint on January 12, 2019, 10:45:02 pm
Post by: falcn on January 12, 2019, 10:55:03 pm
_Meph_furniture-top.png doesn't have sheets for beds made from cavern wood, which makes them look like this.
(https://i.imgur.com/UQA6mNI.png)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've edited my messages above :)
Post by: Meph on January 13, 2019, 05:20:11 am
Splint, I stick with what I said before: Something off with your color file, resulting in a color shift for all things using the extended color palette.
Edit: Smoke/Miasma that shows items test, using picks:
(https://i.imgur.com/sW33iG4.png)
I'll have to make 1-2 sprites of that for each possible item, so... possible, but a lot of work. But at least smoke or mist or miasma wouldnt automatically block all infos.
Post by: falcn on January 13, 2019, 06:34:48 am
Edit: Smoke/Miasma that shows items test, using picks:So this is not a transparency but a separate tile for each item that should be visible through miasma/smoke?
I'll have to make 1-2 sprites of that for each possible item, so... possible, but a lot of work. But at least smoke or mist or miasma wouldnt automatically block all infos.
Post by: Meph on January 13, 2019, 06:38:39 am
Post by: Meph on January 13, 2019, 07:01:36 am
Download: Meph Tileset V4.5 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
This update fixes the black background of furniture; as well as a few color overlays for marble or cavern wood furniture.
It also adds animations to unmined gems and ores, to make them stand out more. This feature requires you to turn on animations in the launcher or type "twbt redraw_all 1" into the dfhack console. Just like magma and water animations. Since it might affect FPS, it is disabled by default.
(https://i.imgur.com/BPf6ZNP.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/qMlPAUo.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/3XIFHZc.gif)
The other big addition are sprites for roads. 25 new sprites, partly done by me, partly done by Vordak, are used as paved roads:
(https://i.redd.it/6sd33zeamyo11.png)
As you can see, the idea of different indoor styles is still flying around, with sandstone for an egypt-inspired design; cloth for carpets/tapestries; and maybe some viking dwarves. ;)
PS: Just noticed the download numbers. Wow, thanks for over 5000(!) downloads of the last version. :)
Post by: Vordak on January 13, 2019, 09:57:34 am
Vordak: Looks great. I've recently seen some terrain changes in your screenshots, grass, dirt, rocks... guess you are planning a larger update?This will be my biggest update for non-creature tiles. Grass, saplings, dirt, rocks, vast majority of walls, stairs and furniture, many fixes and other my taste changes.
1)About smoke.
As for me - the beauty of smoke\miasma is that nothing is visible in it. This is a kind of obstacle that makes the game more fun - visible in smoke items, definitely, is cheat.
2)About viking dwarves.
Are you talking about creature-dwarves or room design?
3)About Meph Launcher.exe
Is it possible to make the design images somewhere in TilesetExtras folder? Just for my tileset I would like to make a another logotype, something like Meph Tileset vX.X + Vordak Tileset vX.X. It's just hard for me to decompile .exe file - I'm in this little understand.
Post by: Meph on January 13, 2019, 12:44:03 pm
Vordak: Looks great. I've recently seen some terrain changes in your screenshots, grass, dirt, rocks... guess you are planning a larger update?This will be my biggest update for non-creature tiles. Grass, saplings, dirt, rocks, vast majority of walls, stairs and furniture, many fixes and other my taste changes.
Awesome, good to see :)
1)About smoke.
As for me - the beauty of smoke\miasma is that nothing is visible in it. This is a kind of obstacle that makes the game more fun - visible in smoke items, definitely, is cheat.
But they are visible if you look with 'k' manually. It's just an extra step.
2)About viking dwarves.
Are you talking about creature-dwarves or room design?
Room design. If I do real-life cultures, it would be for humans.
3)About Meph Launcher.exe
Is it possible to make the design images somewhere in TilesetExtras folder? Just for my tileset I would like to make a another logotype, something like Meph Tileset vX.X + Vordak Tileset vX.X. It's just hard for me to decompile .exe file - I'm in this little understand.
What do you mean with design images and logotype?
If you want more options for your set in the Launcher, let me know, and I can see if I can add them. It's in VisualBasics and I have to compile it for every change, but you help me so much I'd be happy to add things for you.
Post by: Splint on January 13, 2019, 12:54:33 pm
Post by: Vordak on January 13, 2019, 01:10:25 pm
What do you mean with design images and logotype?I mean the convenience of changing the logo from the top image and changing the background (maybe lava) from the second one.
If for some reason my wish cannot be done, then nothing terrible - I have Microsoft Visual Studio.
Spoiler: Pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: falcn on January 13, 2019, 01:58:58 pm
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[BODY_TRANSFORMATION:A_D:D_D]NOSTOPTRANSAre you sure you don't want the game to pause and recenter on were-creature transformation? This can be quite deadly for new playersdefault is
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[BODY_TRANSFORMATION:A_D:D_D:BOX:P:R]YESSTOPTRANS pause, recenter, show red boxAlso, d_init has
[COFFIN_NO_PETS_DEFAULT:NO]
It is quite annoying to disable pets every time during coffin setup
Post by: Meph on January 13, 2019, 03:02:11 pm
Falcn: Good points. Changed both. Sometimes I do change settings to test stuff and make the mistake of not restoring it to default.
Post by: falcn on January 13, 2019, 04:05:20 pm
Post by: Meph on January 13, 2019, 07:54:29 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/h4oB0Qo.gif)
Post by: Splint on January 13, 2019, 08:04:30 pm
Post by: falcn on January 14, 2019, 01:18:46 am
That looks much nicer than the current river water.If you have water level turned on (Ctrl-w), original shows very nice flow animation (quality lost due to compression)
(https://i.imgur.com/6tgPkXm.gif)
Post by: Meph on January 14, 2019, 01:39:12 am
But yeah, the two designs are very different. The newer one is friendlier and has waves, while the older one has more information: The depth and the flow direction.
Post by: Splint on January 14, 2019, 03:09:43 am
(https://i.imgur.com/ihHJCJL.png)
As you can see, black square. I've also built the stairs and a wrap around wall as of this picture. It's the only thing so far not working.
Changes were don 99% through the launcher, consisting of revised, foul blendecs, slower farming, no nerves and no aquifers. Only thing I did was add some vanilla weapons to the dwarves and adjusted their minimum size values so dwarves could wield them.
Post by: Boltgun on January 14, 2019, 03:54:06 am
Post by: Meph on January 14, 2019, 03:55:51 am
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#BONE doors
[OVERRIDE:197:I:DOOR:DOOR::_MDF_overrides_7:143:7::BONE]
[OVERRIDE:240:I:DOOR:DOOR::_MDF_overrides_7:143:7::BONE]
[OVERRIDE:186:I:DOOR:DOOR::_MDF_overrides_7:143:7::BONE]
[OVERRIDE:79:I:DOOR:DOOR::_MDF_overrides_7:143:7::BONE]
[OVERRIDE:15:I:DOOR:DOOR::_MDF_overrides_7:143:7::BONE]
#BONE doors
[OVERRIDE:197:B:DOOR:Door::_MDF_overrides_7:143:7::BONE]
[OVERRIDE:240:B:DOOR:Door::_MDF_overrides_7:143:7::BONE]
[OVERRIDE:186:B:DOOR:Door::_MDF_overrides_7:143:7::BONE]
[OVERRIDE:79:B:DOOR:Door::_MDF_overrides_7:143:7::BONE]
[OVERRIDE:15:B:DOOR:Door::_MDF_overrides_7:143:7::BONE]Let me know if it works. I added the last three lines... (EDIT: Tested, works.)
Edit: Boltgun: I think it simply doesnt have the fitting override. The wiki has no entry for bone doors, and doors change their tile number depending on material... found 5 entries in total. ^^ The color in this case is hardcoded by me, it uses the furniture-top.png, which ignores any ingame color.
Edit: Vordak mentioned having a look at plants, and I agree. They were done very early, when I had even less of an idea what I'm doing than now. :P I sat down with some old sprites by RallyHo/Rydel and ObsidianSoul, and made a new set based on those, altered quite a bit here and there. The plants are smaller, have a stronger contrast and should look much clearer on grassy background. I also made better farm plots. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/r1bZztN.png)
Edit: Splint, I added the wavy water for brooks. They had no animation so far.
Post by: falcn on January 14, 2019, 06:23:02 am
Oh wow, that's a dark screenshot. Grass should be like on the picture above.(https://i.imgur.com/RZRrl6e.gif)
Above is the difference between season-palette (autumn) and no season palette.
I agree, that's way too dark.
The problem I have with season palette is that it changes everything, including things that should not be affected by season in any way, like deep underground parts of your fort, caverns, magma sea. But that is not so bad. What really made me turn it off is that it changes colors for main menus and all UI. You can see it on the text in the picture above.
You depend on certain colors in UI to mean specific things, but that changes 4 times per year, which, depending on the season, might be mildly infuriating. It' still legible, but...weird.
Anyone else feels this way?
But yeah, the two designs are very different. The newer one is friendlier and has waves, while the older one has more information: The depth and the flow direction.River animation is direction-aware?
Post by: Meph on January 14, 2019, 07:08:42 am
The brooks don't have a flow direction, TWBT only has one override for them: BROOK_TOP.
I also added a reaction to make wooden bars to build fences. One of the sprites I made for Splints fort once.
And I meddled around a bit with shadows on the edges, fog density and fog color of the multilevel view.
Post by: falcn on January 15, 2019, 03:59:20 am
I swapped the default color scheme (which is active if season-palette is disabled) with a brighter one.Thank you.
Many players prefer less readable but more aesthetically pleasing graphic fonts, I was wandering if for them seasonal changes to the UI is a feature and not a bug, since it helps to set the mood and makes entire screen styled uniformly.
In theory, it should be possible to autoswitch to a default color palette when viewport goes underground, but it will require support in twbt, because recoloring persistent UI on a z-level switch is bad. twbt renders text and graphics separately, it could use default palette for text, but it probably not worth the effort.
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The brooks don't have a flow direction, TWBT only has one override for them: BROOK_TOP.Current animation for rivers is perfect. in my game it animates flow from east -> west in the east-west part of the river, then animation switches to south->north just in the right place, where river turns north. It flows in the correct direction in both parts, which is very impressive.
Post by: Meph on January 15, 2019, 11:23:58 am
(https://i.imgur.com/n9OYSvf.png)
The armor sets are by Avenis and Caynez from DeviantArt (https://www.deviantart.com/anevis/art/Aubergine-Armor-Set-406572631 and https://www.deviantart.com/caynez/gallery/?catpath=/), who gave permission to use their sets for DF. :) I expanded that a bit to fit the missing items like bucklers, low boots, caps and all the weapons.
Just wanted to ask for feedback before I start writing the overrides, reactions and workshops.
What do you think?
Edit: Workshops:
(https://i.imgur.com/tc0S40f.png)
Post by: Delta_02_Cat on January 15, 2019, 12:35:52 pm
Definitely the best Tileset ever made in DF!
But I do have one question, I think I have seen beds for the different materials but they are not buildable are they?
Its still only wooden beds right now?
Post by: Meph on January 15, 2019, 04:23:24 pm
Edit: Trap parts. Retracted spikes, spikes, enormous corkscrew, spiked ball, serrated disc, giant axe blade.
(https://i.imgur.com/8Ku1Ikb.png)
Gem, Grown-Wood, Rock.
Rock armor:
(https://i.imgur.com/VV7GfK1.png)
The weapons I have to rethink... the design I have is way too thin for rock. I'm not that happy with the armor either... mh. :/
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 15, 2019, 07:19:30 pm
Post by: Vordak on January 15, 2019, 07:39:49 pm
Post by: Splint on January 15, 2019, 08:57:57 pm
Post by: Hommit on January 16, 2019, 04:58:32 am
Post by: Novaris on January 17, 2019, 04:25:10 am
A general consideration: A tileset should not introduce to much game mechanics in my opinion. I would love to see variations in the armor and weapons already part of the game (for example, why should every sword look alike? https://www.deviantart.com/thisisellian/art/Weapon-design-2-100-Swords-350454053) but if it starts to add to much additional stuff I would vote for a stripped edition without the addition of workshops that alter the game too much. Furniture or other scenic elements are not an issue but weapons, armor, traps, ... may influence the game experience too much.
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2019, 05:04:02 am
Yeah, I'll redo the rock armors, not a big fan of the final product myself. ^^
Post by: Novaris on January 17, 2019, 07:06:11 am
BTW Do you know if its possible with TWBT to have variating sprites for armor and weapons like with the boulders and bars?
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2019, 07:28:58 am
All in all, the only useful addition would be easier access to picks and axes for miners and woodcutters, and some rock/gem based blunt weapons, due to their weight. It's mostly just for community forts, or people that want to equip their mayor with a ruby breastplate; stuff like that. Roleplay. :)
Yes, I could make varied sprites for armors/weapons. Makes it harder to identify them though.
Post by: Novaris on January 17, 2019, 08:17:41 am
One question, I saw a few pages back that you planned on doing a slade style pattern with a little diabolical touch, is this already part of the tileset?
EDIT:
can TWBT capture "improvements"? Reason I ask is I created reactions that allow encrusting armor and weapon with gems and having a different sprite for those would be cool. Then I actually would see my king equip the ruby encrusted golden breastplate.
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2019, 08:31:44 am
The slade set is already in, yes.
TWBT can't show improvements.
how about rock/glass weaponry? :)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ycsvffi.png)
Post by: Novaris on January 17, 2019, 08:44:10 am
PS: I usually don't use bins in my stockpiles, makes the equipment-process faster.
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2019, 09:07:04 am
(https://i.imgur.com/tcZIGL6.png)
Post by: Novaris on January 17, 2019, 09:24:30 am
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2019, 09:45:00 am
But what about some decorative, noble silver/gold weapons with engravings and such?
(https://i.imgur.com/UoM7mjA.png)
Post by: Novaris on January 17, 2019, 10:04:50 am
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2019, 10:13:45 am
Golden armors and trap-components. Base armor sprites again by Caynez/Avenis.
They wouldn't get any new reactions, I'd simply add ARMOR and WEAPONS tag to the silver/gold materials. You'd make them in the forge, just like any other item.
Edit: I think I'm done for now. Not happy with the rock armor, but at some point I do have to start with reactions/workshops/overrides for all this. :D
(https://i.imgur.com/PMzQLVD.png)
Crystal, Wood, Rock, Glass, Gold. 160 sprites.
Thoughts?
Post by: Novaris on January 17, 2019, 10:56:19 am
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 17, 2019, 12:28:49 pm
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2019, 05:54:26 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/LPtGodI.png)
Post by: Splint on January 17, 2019, 06:32:18 pm
And honestly the rock armor looks the part: A pile of rock plates lashed together in the vain hope it'll stop something.
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2019, 06:41:08 pm
The only workaround would be to make fake-metals named after all rocks and gems (200ish), or to standardize it to "rock armor" and "gem armor", disregarding names like granite vs obsidian... or diamond vs amethyst. It would also only have one color.
Damn.
Post by: Splint on January 17, 2019, 06:50:23 pm
Besides, they'll make for some kick-ass museum collections when all of masterwork quality.
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2019, 06:57:41 pm
All done btw, all overrides added. Tested, works. :)
Post by: Splint on January 17, 2019, 07:06:35 pm
EDIT: To clarify, it showed the items themselves, not the display furniture they were on. Which was close enough in my estimation, and only had one item a piece on them.
Post by: Meph on January 17, 2019, 07:28:12 pm
Download: Meph Tileset V4.6 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
Another big update coming up with over 200 new sprites. :)
Misc changes:
- Fixed glass floor override.
- Added a brighter, friendly default color scheme.
- Seasonal-colors off by default.
- Added dfhack init settings for TWBT shadows, fog density and fog color.
Improvements:
- Better farmplots.
- Almost all plants redone.
(https://i.imgur.com/tR5NN1H.png)
New features:
- Dwarves can now make gem, rock, wood and glass weapons & armors.
- Four new workshops: Gemforge, Rockforge, Woodforge, Glassforge.
- Gold can be used for weapons & armor too, in the regular forge.
(https://i.imgur.com/LPtGodI.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/SMD7E5e.png)
On the left you see the new material-based sets. On the right are previews for possible sets of copper or bronze, steel, leather or obsidian (?). All depends on your feedback.
This save is partly save-compatible. Plants are ok, but for the new workshops you need to gen a new world.
Since the new materials for weapons & armor change game balance, they are of course optional and can be disabled in the launcher. Same button as always: Decorational workshops YES/NO. I might split that up in future, to give players greater control over individual features.
Credits:
- Several plants based on old ObsidianSoul and RallyHo! sprites.
- Helmet, Breastplate, Greaves, High Boots, Shield and Short Sword by Avenis (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=post;topic=161047.1935;last_msg=7916436)/Caynez (https://www.deviantart.com/caynez/gallery/?catpath=/) on DeviantArt. Used with permission. Thanks! :)
- Glass Helmet, Breastplate, Greaves, High Boots are altered versions of DokuCraft Dwarven Minecraft sprites; also used with permission.
Post by: Grimmash on January 18, 2019, 12:27:32 pm
Post by: Meph on January 18, 2019, 12:41:34 pm
Post by: Grimmash on January 18, 2019, 03:57:53 pm
You dont need the LNP. There is a custom LNP included.
I was thinking of putting it in so I could compare it in my two current forts, as opposed to starting a new one. That is why I was asking about dumping the tileset into LNP. So is the prefered method to get your launcher and import my save folders to that?
Post by: falcn on January 19, 2019, 05:10:08 am
I was thinking of putting it in so I could compare it in my two current forts, as opposed to starting a new one. That is why I was asking about dumping the tileset into LNP. So is the prefered method to get your launcher and import my save folders to that?Changing tileset for existing save is a bit more complex than just copying the save folder. I see files belonging to a tileset inside my save.
Looks like wiki doesn't cover that topic.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/DF2014:Tilesets#Installation
Post by: Grimmash on January 19, 2019, 09:29:07 am
The tilesets definitely looks really good for workshops. I need to gen a world, as I caught some interesting things that I am not sure are visual artifacts or style choices and I want to make sure before I give some feedback.
Also, and I know this is probably a ridiculous ask, but as and end user I'd be far more likely to use your tileset/launcher if it also had the materials standardization and some other mods also available to play around with.
Post by: neobit on January 19, 2019, 09:55:17 am
Launcher is still not saving/remembering some of the values: I have to set Varied Ground Tiles and hide dfhack every-time I launch the launcher.
Apart from that, save seems to be working fine (couple of hours of playing).
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 19, 2019, 04:08:18 pm
(https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Calanndra/workshops.jpg)
This is the newest version, I generated a new world. Also the water animation is working on a brook, but there are no sparkles on gems or veins. Or rather, there are but they are not animated.
Post by: Splint on January 19, 2019, 04:10:44 pm
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 19, 2019, 04:17:44 pm
They're under furnaces, probably to reduce clutter in the workshop tab.
Thanks! Found them.
What about the gem/ore sparkles? Is there something I need to tick off for that to work? The brook works fine.
ALSO something's wrong with microcline. There's a pile of it lying in a stockpile next to my mason's workshop, but he claims he can't make any microcline items because he can't find any of this rock. Is it possible something went wrong with the overrides?
Post by: Splint on January 19, 2019, 04:58:33 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 20, 2019, 05:29:52 am
is the workshop linked to any stockpile other than the one with the microcline? - its the typical problem when this occurs.They're under furnaces, probably to reduce clutter in the workshop tab.
Thanks! Found them.
What about the gem/ore sparkles? Is there something I need to tick off for that to work? The brook works fine.
ALSO something's wrong with microcline. There's a pile of it lying in a stockpile next to my mason's workshop, but he claims he can't make any microcline items because he can't find any of this rock. Is it possible something went wrong with the overrides?
i had problems earlier installing the pack into my linuxLNP. some animations and some overrides are missing, but at least it works.
now that 44.12 has so many psycho-bugs, i rather stay with 44.09, but that also means i'll miss the new stuff of MDF :(
Post by: b0wd3n on January 20, 2019, 08:39:12 am
I am not totally sure, but it looks like your _Meph_plants.png is in some disorder?
The rows with the farmplot background and the transparent background are somewhat swapped, which gives me weird plants with farmplot background in stockpile graphics.
So I modified your version, which solves the problem for me:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So is this a
Post by: Meph on January 20, 2019, 12:39:55 pm
Microcline is most likely checked as economic.
Plant background is noted. Thanks. Certainly not intended.
The workshops are indeed furnaces and stored as such in the build menu.
If anyone copies saves created with other tilesets into this version, the result will look wonky and won't feature any decorational workshops. Best to gen a new world.
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 21, 2019, 06:52:17 am
Post by: Meph on January 25, 2019, 11:16:59 am
(https://i.imgur.com/DkjuBjv.png)
Post by: Mrok Girl on January 25, 2019, 11:28:44 am
Post by: Vordak on January 25, 2019, 11:47:53 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 26, 2019, 02:49:43 am
Post by: Crossroads Inc. on January 30, 2019, 12:11:20 am
Is there a Mac download for this I am missing? The front one SAYS for Mac, but it a RAR file.
Post by: Meph on January 30, 2019, 02:54:03 am
Post by: Novaris on January 30, 2019, 03:35:22 am
https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5169-winrar-for-mac.html
and there is Keka as 7zip alternative
https://www.keka.io/en/
Post by: Crossroads Inc. on January 30, 2019, 10:01:37 am
I got the files unpacked, now I’m just working on how to put the files into the game.
I THOUGHT all you had todo was through the RAW and INIT folders into the ones in DF, but apparently that just makes the game crash on startup.
Man I feel like a noob again lol.
Post by: Meph on January 30, 2019, 08:10:48 pm
I also had a strange mood after seeing this thread: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=173138.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=173138.0). I don't know why, but I read the title as "maze", not "maize", and had to think of corn mazes... well, they are now a thing.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Bonus: Constructed "plant floors" look like grass, so you can make little gardens or even out areas on the surface to look prettier if you like.
Dwarves simply make 4 plant blocks from 1 plant in the Craftsdwarf. So you get a "plump helmet plant wall" for example.
You like? :P
Post by: Crossroads Inc. on January 31, 2019, 12:58:42 am
There is DFHACK for Mac??
WHAT CRAZY FUTURE WORLD HAVE I WOKEN IN!
Post by: Meph on January 31, 2019, 06:23:51 pm
Download: Meph Tileset V4.7 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
This update adds the ability to create plant-blocks in the Craftsdwarf. Uses any plant, and makes 4 blocks. Constructed as walls they look like a hedge, perfect for gardens or corn mazes. Constructed as floor the look like grass.
(https://i.imgur.com/21Hofxr.png)
The update also changes rock floors, makes shrubland and savannah grass less in-your-face, adds a more subdued cavern1 moss... all the more neutral background stuff should look a lot nicer and less distracting now. :)
Post by: Giant Dwarf on February 03, 2019, 05:06:50 pm
Since the new materials for weapons & armor change game balance, they are of course optional and can be disabled in the launcher. Same button as always: Decorational workshops YES/NO. I might split that up in future, to give players greater control over individual features.I kept this feature disabled, but my stones are still all economic now (and they show, that they can be used for weapons).
Is this a bug, or did I miss something?
Post by: Meph on February 03, 2019, 06:00:41 pm
Post by: Giant Dwarf on February 04, 2019, 04:09:03 am
It shows all possible usages for the economic stone.
Is there a way to not have all those stones listed as economic (and still have this feature working)?
(Thx btw. for all the great work! With your Pack DF is really beautiful now!)
Post by: Meph on February 04, 2019, 08:13:08 am
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Is there a way to not have all those stones listed as economic (and still have this feature working)?Nope, that's just how DF works.
Post by: Tat45 on February 04, 2019, 11:52:02 pm
Other than the 1-tile "decoration" workshops, I'd like some assurance that the rest of the settings hew pretty closely to how the game is configured when you download the vanilla version. Failing that, a delta of what settings have changed versus default DF would be appreciated.
Post by: Splint on February 05, 2019, 02:55:45 am
I've installed the latest Meph Tileset Pack. There appear to be default settings in the pack that represent changes to the default behavior of DF, such as Aquifers being turned off, varied ground tiles being turned off, and so on. To be frank, there's a *lot* of settings, and because I'm relatively new to DF, I can't distinguish what settings are considered to be "vanilla" DF defaults.
Other than the 1-tile "decoration" workshops, I'd like some assurance that the rest of the settings hew pretty closely to how the game is configured when you download the vanilla version. Failing that, a delta of what settings have changed versus default DF would be appreciated.
Under Balance, you want combat trances, strange moods, and aquifers enabled. Under cheats, obviously everything disabled.
Additions: Disable Decorations, Engravings, and Revised.
Invaders: Disable everything.
Civs: Adjust human caravans to Early or Default, otherwise they'll likely turn up in the first summer before the first year dwarf caravan.
That should be damn-near vanilla, though note you'll need to make sure stones you want to use that aren't native to your embark aren't set to economic (under the stone tab in the z screen, simply make sur the stones you wanna use are green, not red)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on February 05, 2019, 11:28:25 am
i'm still watching this thread loathing my own incapability to use the 44.12 stuff on my 44.09 LinuxLNP *grumble*
keep up the good work, Meph!
Post by: Meph on February 05, 2019, 03:35:43 pm
Post by: Meph on February 05, 2019, 07:19:19 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on February 06, 2019, 07:40:10 am
Pvt. Pirate: Copy over data/art and data/init/overrides.txt and you should get most features on linux too.
also breaks old savegames for me.
will make a backup and try it with the latest.
EDIT
Just realized i copied the whole init folder and raw folder too :-\ *facepalm*
EDIT
i just copied the data/art and data/init/overrides.txt and this is what happens:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on February 06, 2019, 10:50:51 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on February 06, 2019, 12:43:26 pm
although it shouldn't be able to interfere there too, because i got systemwide settings to english-US and only the keyboardlayout is set to german, because it would otherwise fuckup everything as i have a german keyboard.
also i created a new world after installing the pack, so it can't be because of an old savegame.
Post by: Meph on February 06, 2019, 02:06:06 pm
The only thing I can think of is that linux TWBT in the LNP is outdated and doesn't feature the material-specific overrides that the current win TWBT has. Because the spiderwebs that look like gems are correct, in so far that tile 15 is overwritten with a gem... but that should only happen for IS_GEM; while CREATURE_MAT:SILK should overwrite the same tile with webs.
I can't test this on my win machine. :/
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on February 07, 2019, 09:36:33 am
hmmm. it's strange.
although i didn't see any special animated stuff then.
Post by: Shepherd on February 08, 2019, 09:18:00 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on February 08, 2019, 01:59:37 pm
Just started using your launcher and I love it. Great work! I've only had two issues so far: My plus key doesn't work as expected. '-' goes backward in a list as expected but to get '+' to move forward in a list I have to hold shift. It's really obnoxious hahaha. Also, alt+w doesn't bring up any Workflow for me. :[ I tried manually enabling Workflow in DFHack, and it says it's enabled, but I get no response out of alt-w when used at a crafting station. Appreciate any help you could send my way!are you sure you selected the correct keyboardprofile?
at least in the LNPs there are different ones for PC and Laptop and even some that change mousewheel from zoom to selecting z-layer.
Post by: Shepherd on February 10, 2019, 11:05:34 am
Post by: Giant Dwarf on February 15, 2019, 04:25:14 pm
Ah, ok. Sad.QuoteIs there a way to not have all those stones listed as economic (and still have this feature working)?Nope, that's just how DF works.
But is it possible for you to change it in a way, that the non-economic stone is non-economic, when this feature is turned off?
Because I didn't enable this feature, but it still lists almost all stones as economic now.
Post by: Meph on February 15, 2019, 09:02:37 pm
The way it currently works is this:Ah, ok. Sad.QuoteIs there a way to not have all those stones listed as economic (and still have this feature working)?Nope, that's just how DF works.
But is it possible for you to change it in a way, that the non-economic stone is non-economic, when this feature is turned off?
Because I didn't enable this feature, but it still lists almost all stones as economic now.
- Disabling the feature removes the reaction from your civ, but the reaction still exists. (deep down DF knows that stone can be used in it, hence it's economic)
I could change the launcher to remove the entire reaction too. It's just a few extra lines, which would fix your issue. Btw, you can do that yourself by just deleting reaction_meph, reaction_brickoven and reaction_crematory. Those contain all the custom reactions that the tileset adds. Of course you should keep everything turned off in the launcher, otherwise it will throw a lot of error messages.
Post by: Giant Dwarf on February 16, 2019, 03:59:05 pm
I will try that out.
Post by: Meph on February 16, 2019, 06:30:16 pm
Download: Meph Tileset V4.8 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
Another update, another material set. Now, this might sound crazy, but... hear me out! What if... what if... you couldmake blocks/furniture out of sand? Good old self-made sandstone. A kiln could do that. Why not?
So... now it can.
(https://i.imgur.com/fiJd7GT.png)
Egyptian-themed sand furniture/constructions. :) Of course optional, tied to other decorational additions. I also fiddled a bit around in the raws, if you deactivate the new decorational workshops, stone should be non-economic again.
Hope you enjoy. :)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on February 17, 2019, 07:27:26 am
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so trying to install it onto 44.12 LinuxLNP now.
so from where do i take the data/art and data/init/overrides.txt ?
i took them from the preinstalled gamefolder and it looks like it should.
so far the typical mousequery edge problem with no scrolling on lower and right corner of the screen keeps me from playing.
Post by: Meph on February 17, 2019, 10:56:25 am
You collect sand, use a bag of sand to make blocks or furniture. :)
What do you mean about the files? You already seem to know exactly where they are. ;)
No idea about mousequery. You... scroll with the mouse?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on February 17, 2019, 05:03:26 pm
it works in 44.09 and it doesn't in 44.12. the problem exists for a while now and i remember it also was present on windows (i also had the problem before i switched to linux).
back then (44.09) it was fixable by downloading a different version of twbt from github. ever since twbt was merged into dfhack, that fixed version has been abandoned.
Post by: Meph on February 18, 2019, 12:01:19 am
Post by: VenomIreland on February 18, 2019, 12:49:56 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on February 18, 2019, 02:02:37 pm
Ah, so that was why Mifki always included a separate mousequery plugin. Never knew what it did exactly.seems so. anyway the fixed version was nowhere to be found by me, so i have to stick with 44.09 some more...
Post by: Splint on February 18, 2019, 02:17:39 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on February 19, 2019, 03:54:05 am
I blame my fondness for the bronze age as a historical thing for an increasing urge to use just the sand set (what with Egypt being one of the four biggest powers in the Bronze Age middle/near east before the collapse.) Dunno why.i blame my enthusiansm for the medieval ages for the many fortresses that denied the fact that in medieval ages, they would've built their fortresses like bunkers if they had to withstand the many mystical beasts that live in DF.
Post by: Dragonslayerelf on February 20, 2019, 10:58:44 am
Post by: Meph on February 20, 2019, 11:20:52 am
Post by: Dragonslayerelf on February 20, 2019, 03:57:31 pm
Post by: BlightTrain on February 20, 2019, 10:52:42 pm
Have a few questions:
1) When I tried making Adamantine floors/walls/doors/tables/chairs/etc to see how they look in-game, out of Adamantine Wafers if it matters, the graphics were that of your normal Metal set, not your custom Adamantine one pictured in the OP, which I do also see in data\art\_Meph_constructions.png
I would post a screen shot but that fortress experienced a bit of fun that not spending Adamantine on walls and floors could have solved.
I did also manage to find the data\init\overrides.txt which references the .png and has what look like entries for the other material set types, but I couldn't find any for Adamantine.
Now I'm completely new to using mods so although I was able to find those files in the data\art and data\init directories I know precisely as much about modding and understanding anything related to modding as a dwarven child knows about doing things other than breaking out of my fortifications and charging undead hordes with nothing other than their tiny little bearded fists and getting themselves killed as if merely pretending to be a ghost haunting my fortress while they play make believe and drinking all my alcohol isn't bloody good enough for them anymore.
So either I'm doing something horribly brain-dead wrong, which is more than likely since I always do my best to match drinks with my dwarves while I play for maximum dwarven fortress overseer immersion, or those Adamantine constructions took after those dwarven children and somehow disappeared from the files at some point, and no one noticed because no one has as of yet been insane enough to actually blow their precious Adamantine on building walls and floors.
2) Aside from having the Varied Statues checked, which was enabled by default, is there something else I have to do to get them in-game?
I've only tried building statues with Gold so far but they came out looking as they do in data\art\_Meph_furniture-top.png (https://i.imgur.com/QGAgFxi.png)
3) I'm also trying out the included Fortress Defense mod, so far I've seen the Raptormen, Frogmen, and White Tigermen.
The Frogmen and Tigermen had their graphics working as far as I could tell, but the Raptormen appeared as some grey open hand image (https://i.imgur.com/PE927QK.png) (not the purple undead hand with the grave) I tracked down to the data\art\_Meph_32x32.png file, it's the 6th from the top and 3rd from the left if my alcohol-addled mind has somehow managed to count correctly, right above the monkey.
I'm using the Vordak's Dwarves which is enabled by default if it matters.
I don't have a bloody clue what that hand icon is supposed to indicate so maybe I'm insane and it was working correctly because the Raptormen just really like waving at me while they free my children from their terrible misery of only pretending to be ghosts.
Thank you very good Raptormen maybe now my adults who occasionally stop partying long enough to do an entire half of an hour of work every bloody month will stop complaining about the lack of alcohol while they come to my office and complain that no one has mined out their bloody bedrooms right next to my strategically placed stockpile with no less than one pick for every single dwarf in the fortress with mining enabled which is every single one of those lazy bastards.
I'm considering performing a little self therapy by letting our Lord and Savior Armok take them in the first of many sacrifices to build and consecrate an all new fortress out of the glorious new sand tile-set.
4) Speaking of enabling labors and therapy, the included Dwarf Therapist is telling me version 41.0.3 is available, and it was easy enough to download and replace in the utilities folder, just thought I'd give you a little heads up in case you feel like including the updated one in your next release. https://github.com/Dwarf-Therapist/Dwarf-Therapist/releases/tag/v41.0.3
5) More on the included utilities, two of them, "Announce" and "DFMon", (https://i.imgur.com/jMufLAd.png) won't launch from your launcher.
With Armok's blessing I think I have managed to divine that "Announce" is the "Announcement Window" in the utilities folder, and it works if you run the .exe from the there, but if you run it from your launcher it gives the message:
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"An error has occurred. Please see the created ERRORLOG.txt file and email it to dfstorymaker@gmail.com, or let TheGazelle (either on Reddit or the Bay12 forums) know about its contents so he can fix it."I have a sneaking suspicion some certain pip-squeak ghosts have found their way into your launcher's shortcut pathing on their path to hell and have decided to take up residence and spend their time making stories about punching undead in their eternal quest to play make believe.
I'm about to make a story about what happens to drunk freeloading dwarven fortress rats who don't stop haunting my bloody Announcement Window.
"DFMon" I couldn't find in the utilities folder.
I tried downloading it separately from http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=7946 and put the "DFMon V0.9" folder in your utilities folder and the launcher miraculously managed to launch it, but it gave me some error log that my brain cell deficient skull has no hope in hell of deciphering aside from some little "A 32 bit processes cannot access modules of a 64 bit process." comment.
Launching it from it's own .exe in the utilities folder returned the same error.
It's beginning to dawn on me that maybe this program which was last updated 6 years ago may perhaps be too outdated to work with the current build of Dwarf Fortress.
Or that like with most other things in life I am spectacularly failing to see something directly in front of my face.
If it really is obsolete I see you've got more than 18 utilities included in there, and 11 shortcut spots on the launcher, could grace one of those other utilities with that shortcut slot.
I had no idea any of those other utilities were even packaged with this until I tried to figure out why those two weren't launching.
Thanks for putting together this tile-set and giving it a whole launcher, I tried the LNP first and wanted to use your tile-set but it was only partially in there, and I couldn't tell my hand from my ass when I tried to get your updated set installed in there.
It's even got the Fortress Defense mod with my new favorite baby-sitters the Raptormen of the Grey Hand which I wouldn't have even known about if I used the LNP.
Cheers for making it
Not that I want to impart other work on you or make you do something you don't want to and/or have the time to do, but I think it'd be nice if, instead of integrating it into your default tileset and making it a part of the overall thing, just add a little submod or something that would, while affecting the balance of the game, also make it so other races would be viable to use? Kinda like how you've integrated Vordak's dwarf skins whilst also keeping your own as a setting. I'm not sure how much effort that would take, as I'm not well versed in what DF modding is like, so I completely understand if you wouldn't want to do that for various reasons, but it'd be nice! Also, thanks for the really cool pack, this'd be a nightmare to put together all by itself.
Friend has Meph got a mod for you: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125638.0
Although goblins aren't in yet they're on the TO-DO list
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- Playable goblins, dark fortresses with dungeons full of slaves."but you could try out the other races (Kobolds, Orcs, Humans, Succubi) or the fleshed out Dwarves while you wait
I haven't tried it out myself yet since I still need more experience with vanilla DF before I venture in, but I had a look at some of the mod files
The races even have their own unique toys to make and play with
From the item_toy.txt, here's the ones for the Succubi
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[ITEM_TOY:ITEM_TOY_HANDCUFFS]I'm about to throw that part in to my game for all those intoxicated children infecting my fort
[NAME:handcuff:handcuffs]
[HARD_MAT]
[ITEM_TOY:ITEM_TOY_BLINDFOLD]
[NAME:blindfold:blindfolds]
[HARD_MAT]
[ITEM_TOY:ITEM_TOY_FLOGGING_WHIP]
[NAME:flogging whip:flogging whips]
[HARD_MAT]
Let's see those bastard freeloaders try to drink my fortress dry when they're blind, flogged, and cuffed to a stone fall trap
Post by: LeoCean on February 20, 2019, 11:20:30 pm
You can make it so dwarven children grow up within a year to adult form,(you can set their size for each year of growth) instead of being small babies. Just pretend they are like the amazons and made of clay, the dwarves make new ones in their workshops..(just an option)
(Do new items even apply to old saves? I know there's a script you can run to inject raws to a ongoing game, but I forget what its called but from what I remember to add new things without it, it'd require a new game. So if you really want to test if there's actually floors just do a quick new small map, add adaminite wafers cheat by typing dwarf fortress cheats into google and add those reactions)
Post by: BlightTrain on February 21, 2019, 12:42:39 am
So if you really want to test if there's actually floors just do a quick new small map, add adaminite wafers cheat by typing dwarf fortress cheats into google and add those reactionsAlright it looks like we don't need reaction modding to test, all we have to do is use this DFHack command: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/Utility:DFHack/createitem
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createitem [Item token] [Material] [Quantity (optional)]So if I'm doing this right
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createitem BAR INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE 200(https://i.imgur.com/DNRiOrs.png)
createitem ARMORSTAND INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE 2
createitem BOX INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE 2
createitem BED INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE 2
createitem CABINET INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE 2
createitem CHAIR INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE 2
createitem DOOR INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE 2
createitem STATUE INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE 2
createitem TABLE INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE 2
createitem WEAPONRACK INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE 2
There we are, 130 Adamantine Wafers to make enough walls, floors, and ceiling for that little room if that bookkeeper sitting there was sober enough to count correctly.
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This is a adamatine statue of a devil of coal. The item is an image of a devil of coal in adamantine.The circus is going to pay me a visit for this.
You can make it so dwarven children grow up within a year to adult form,(you can set their size for each year of growth) instead of being small babies. Just pretend they are like the amazons and made of clay, the dwarves make new ones in their workshops..(just an option)I tried that before, hit the Faster Adults in the launcher then traced the change to \raw\objects\creature_standard.txt [CHILD:12] under [CREATURE:DWARF] and changed it to [CHILD:2]
Problem was they would still Play Make Believe when idle under the age of 12, so although they would build constructions, they would just stand there playing after they completed it, so if they decided to stand where something else needed to be constructed, a very necessary wall for example, it would never happen because Urist McAboutToGetEatenByAForgottenBeast cancelled construction because error creature aka idiot child in the way.
And children who play make believe never go to meeting areas in my experience, they will only stand in one place playing until it's a brilliant time to eat, sleep, and drink my barrels dry.
So they actually sent that fort to circus in that regard.
But as I stated before: I can't tell my hand from my ass when it comes to modding yet,
(Do new items even apply to old saves? I know there's a script you can run to inject raws to a ongoing game, but I forget what its called but from what I remember to add new things without it, it'd require a new game.So I wonder if I even knew to start a new game after I changed it
Either way kids are worse than clowns. I wish I could chain them up at my entrance as watch dogs to bark the Kobolds away, and use my actual dogs for other things
Post by: Meph on February 21, 2019, 04:21:03 am
1. Adamantine set is not finished. I do have the walls, but never made the sprites for the furniture. It's simply not a feature I released yet, because it's not done. Not high-priority, because people use adamantine mostly for weapons and armor.
2. Varied statues are only for normal rock. 256 rock statues. ;) The other materials have 1 statue sprite each.
3. I'll check on the raptormen.
4./5. Thanks. Been a while since I meddled with launcher/utilities.
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Do new items even apply to old saves?Nope.
Post by: Giant Dwarf on February 21, 2019, 05:15:45 pm
It worked.The way it currently works is this:Ah, ok. Sad.QuoteIs there a way to not have all those stones listed as economic (and still have this feature working)?Nope, that's just how DF works.
But is it possible for you to change it in a way, that the non-economic stone is non-economic, when this feature is turned off?
Because I didn't enable this feature, but it still lists almost all stones as economic now.
- Disabling the feature removes the reaction from your civ, but the reaction still exists. (deep down DF knows that stone can be used in it, hence it's economic)
I could change the launcher to remove the entire reaction too. It's just a few extra lines, which would fix your issue. Btw, you can do that yourself by just deleting reaction_meph, reaction_brickoven and reaction_crematory. Those contain all the custom reactions that the tileset adds. Of course you should keep everything turned off in the launcher, otherwise it will throw a lot of error messages.
But somehow the smoothed floor now looks different. And also I can't see the engravings at all (didn't use Extra Engravings).
Post by: BlightTrain on February 22, 2019, 12:53:24 am
Image:
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When I look in the overrides.txt I see this
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_Meph_extra_decorations_2.png doesn't have any grass or anything like that as far as I can tell, but _Meph_smoke_animation.png does
So I replace the :_MDF_overrides_14: with :_MDF_overrides_15:
Image:
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The hedge walls in the screenshots you put in the 4.7 update post on page 132 are a much more vivid green than mine, looks like the same color green as in the _Meph_smoke_animation.png
I've never changed any of the color settings in the launcher, only the font to Meph_simple, do you have different color settings enabled that give them that look?
Cheers
EDIT: Threw things in spoilers because it was a gigantic wall of a post
Post by: Meph on February 22, 2019, 05:35:55 am
They are a different color because I used hardcoded green color at my test, but then decided to let the game add the plant-color on top at the release. This way you can build differently colored hedges, by using different plants. In theory. Most of them are green/dark green.
Post by: BlightTrain on February 23, 2019, 02:07:03 am
Commands: createitem [Item token] [Material] [Quantity (optional)]
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Top Right: SAND_YELLOW colors all appear to be as intended
Bottom Left: SAND_RED is it supposed to look gold rather than red? doors/hatch cover are the same color as the SAND_WHITE set
Bottom Mid: SAND_BLACK doors/hatch cover are the same color as the SAND_WHITE set
Bottom Right: SAND_WHITE doors/hatch cover look darker than the rest of the set, not sure if said doors/hatch are working as intended since SAND_YELLOW's doors and hatch are the exact same shade as the rest of it's set
Bottom Picture: Your V4.8 Post looks the same as it does in _Meph_extra_decorations_2.png
I'm hoping SAND_TAN is supposed to look the way it does in your V4.8 Post because that's my favorite shade
If not (so I can edit for personal preference) you said you used a different color for the test image you took of the hedges in the V4.7 Post (where they looked the same color as they do in _Meph_smoke_animation.png) and a different color for release, do you know what I should edit to make SAND_TAN display as it does in your picture and _Meph_extra_decorations_2.png?
Also, aside from the issues with the doors and hatch covers, you can see the text looking stuff behind the cabinets, chests, slabs, and coffins
Looking at _Meph_extra_decorations_2.png and _Meph_extra_decorations_2-bg.png appears to reveal why:
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The display issues with the doors and hatch covers reminds me of a similar problem I encountered, I got the Adamantine sprites you made working in-game perfectly fine, then I noticed that sexy green cloth themed one that's in _Meph_extra_decorations_2.png above the sand theme, found it to be the THREAD_PLANT one in the overrides.txt, and that similar to the Adamantine you hadn't gotten around to finishing adding the rest of the entries for it, the construction entries were in and working but the furniture wasn't yet.
I copied the furniture entries for SILVER, since they were in the same position in _Meph_furniture.png as the THREAD_PLANT furniture was in _Meph_extra_decorations_2.png, changed the _MDF_overrides_7 to _MDF_overrides_14 for everything that had a sprite in the same position, then tested:
Here's the overrides.txt code:
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First take note that the Cage, Barrel, Bin, Door, and Hatch Cover lines were not changed yet aside from replacing "::::INORGANIC:SILVER" with ":::THREAD_PLANT" so I figured they should still just be displaying the same Silver sprites.
The Cage, Barrel, and Bin did. They displayed as the Silver sprites perfectly fine.
The issue is again the doors and hatch covers, like up above with the sand, except the doors are just displaying as black squares and the hatch cover is displaying part of the sprite on top of a black square.
I tried replacing the door and hatch cover entries with ones from the other furniture type entries like metal, rock, gold, even your copper one, only changing the material at the end.
Every time I got the same black squares and DFHack, immediately upon finishing loading my save, always gave me this:
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Like I said before I'm completely new to modding DF, I've just been attempting to read through and make sense of your mod files, so I've got no clue about TWBT or how it works.
Plant thread is of course not a valid building material for doors or hatch covers in vanilla DF, so considering the error message, I wonder if TWBT would have needed to be programmed to recognize it as a valid building material for doors and hatch covers in order to display them properly, or something
If that is the case, I wonder if the issue with the sand is a similar one:
Although DFHack isn't giving any errors about the sand doors or hatch covers, you can't make said items with sand in vanilla DF (as far as I'm aware)
So maybe it's not just the plant thread doors/hatch covers which aren't displaying correctly because of an issue in TWBT
Maybe that's the issue the sand ones are having as well
You've been modding the game since 2011 so maybe you'd have known what's up just from looking at it
If not, I hope I saved you a chunk of troubleshooting time because I just looked at the clock and I've apparently been trying to figure out what's going on with all these doors for the past 6 hours
wew
EDIT: Aside from letting me know how to edit SAND_TAN to make it look the way it does in your V4.8 Post, could you please also tell me how to get the hedge rows to have that nice green from your test screenshot?
I've tried making them out of every single plant at the surface of a 4x4 embark and they all come out the same darker green.
If there's also a way to get the constructed grass floors to have a nicer green, like the natural grass in:
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Cheers
Post by: Meph on February 23, 2019, 09:59:26 am
I think I shouldn't release stuff as quickly as I do.
The different colors are mostly from the color scheme. Try default Ascii colors, it should look as intended. Currently the tileset uses spacefox (I think), which has weird pastel tones everywhere. If you want to change the color tokens in the raws, go to inorganic_soil.txt and add the color from http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Color that you want to use.
Hatches and doors use hardcoded colors because DF is weird and would use an inverted-tile for them, so I have to force the foreground color on those.
Sorry about the text, no idea how I missed that, but it's in the -bg/-top TWBT files. They are related to transparency and I don't check them regularly. :/
Post by: BlightTrain on February 24, 2019, 12:46:30 am
I eventually managed to find that color chart you posted in http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=170644.0
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After comparing to the descriptor_color_standard.txt, it seems 141 eggplant is on that color chart but not in your game files, so everything past it was shifted down a number.
Decreasing those three values by one, then setting SAND_TAN to 199 Tan and SAND_YELLOW to 145 Gold as a test gave me this:
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In addition, the colors from descriptor_color_standard.txt always display the same no matter what color scheme, spacefox or vanilla, you have active, so no need to worry about that.
These are the 5 shades of yellow that aren't neon hell in-game, if you're trying to figure which one to pick:
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I'm not sure what you meant about the doors using an inverted tile, they display perfectly fine for me in-game, even when creatures/dwarves are going through them:
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No idea what those numbers between the DISPLAY_COLOR and the TILE do though.
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:sand][DISPLAY_COLOR:199:199:0]6:4:1[TILE:141]
And I don't know how much of a pixel perfectionist you want to be, but the coffin could be moved 1 pixel to the left to line it up in the center, just like the bed, if you want:
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Also, since I tried to label the sand materials in that screenshot I also noticed the letter A seems to be a dwarf and B seems to be locked in a cage:
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...
I think I shouldn't release stuff as quickly as I do.
Aww... now I feel bad for hitting you up with all these bug reports, but trying to figure out what's what in these files and how they work is teaching me how to mod these things
I can't find any tutorials on TWBT or the overrides.txt or what half of the values in some color things even affect
Having these bugs to get me to experiment with your files by changing values around is actually getting me to learn how to do all this stuff
Now I know how to make these sand blocks in every color I could possibly want
AND (Thank Armok) I found out we don't even have to generate a new world to test color changes in inorganic_stone_soil.txt, I just have to edit the one in the save folder then load the save to see all the colors from descriptor_color_standard.txt
Really I could build the whole fort without worrying about the color then swap it around at a whim like some insane home decorator who can't live with walls being any one color for more than a week
This is going to make fort styling so much bloody easier
Which, due to the lack of tutorials, I would have never been able to figure out that I can even do if not for trying to troubleshoot the random display issues
So I'm quite thankful you made the photoshop mockups for the preview images rather building them ingame then seeing the problems and fixing them before release :D
Please feel free to keep releasing stuff as quickly as you do
Cheers
Post by: Meph on February 24, 2019, 05:43:11 am
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No idea what those numbers between the DISPLAY_COLOR and the TILE do though.The numbers are the original, vanilla color values. If something goes wrong, I can easily find them. Since they lack the brackets, DF completely ignores them.
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:sand][DISPLAY_COLOR:199:199:0]6:4:1[TILE:141]
Post by: LeoCean on February 24, 2019, 12:56:14 pm
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Post by: BlightTrain on February 25, 2019, 03:55:54 am
Blighttrain, can I keep you? :D This is fantastic.Happy to help, I've been enjoying the tile-set and everything that comes with it so I'm glad I could assist
Question: I started in a forest and I had so many logs all over the ground it was lagging my stocks menu just trying to load all them, so that gave me the idea to test out the campfire.
So I light it up and it expands to around a 15 tile diameter then my game starts chugging and plummets down to 1 fps.
I kill the game then disable animations so I can start a fresh fire and see if that helps. It doesn't.
I figure I'm just going to have to wait it out, then after it eventually chugs to around a 100 tile diameter, it starts running fine at a stable 30 fps.
It runs like that for a minute or so then it starts chugging back to 1 fps.
Another few minutes then it lets up again back to a stable 30, and thankfully I had SoundSense running and the Announcement Window utility on my 2nd monitor.
I notice my web gatherer and one of my hunters was fighting some giant enemy crab or something in the caves underground.
During the battle my fps was fine but after the battle it dropped back down to running at 1 fps again, so I disabled those labors on everyone who had them, but then it started raining and put out the fire.
The game was back to running fine again, but I had to wait what felt like 10 minutes for the rain to stop.
After it stopped I was finally able to light the large campfire and watch the map start to burn at a stable 30 fps.
So I exit out and turn animations back on and it runs without a hitch, and I'm able to watch the entire landscape go up in flames and it was glorious
Except for the trees
That Armok damned blasted overgrown elf hugging infection of a forest somehow managed to survive the fire from hell, continuing to tower all around and above my walls like a never ending miasma of elf shit as if taunting me while I watched another one of those sapling bastards sprout up into another one.
What the bloody hell
So here's the question: Is it possible to mod the fire your campfire starts to burn away trees as well?
I can barely turn their downed logs into charcoal before those bastards are back at my walls like magic elven siege towers letting every race in the fortress defense mod jump my walls like bloody harpies
I know I could pave roads or build floors on the ground around the walls to stop those wooden vermin from reproducing but we have neither the time nor dwarfpower to do any of that along with all the other stuff we have to do to keep the fort alive in between sieges
I have to go full Catachan by mowing the lawn with flamethrowers every day or we're going to lose the surface
If there's no way to get the fire to burn trees maybe I'm just going to have to cut them all down every morning first and then light the fire to dissolve the logs
Legendary skill wood cutter here we come
Of all the ways I heard Dwarf Fortress has to kill you before I started playing, I never expected the damn trees.
Post by: Meph on February 25, 2019, 10:24:52 am
Trees won't burn, Toady never added that. Can't mod that either, they are terrain.
If you want to get rid of logs, crematory, wood furnace or atom-smash them.
Why do you want to get rid of trees btw? They don't do anything harmful.
Post by: KassaK on February 25, 2019, 11:25:41 am
Is it complicated to combine the 2 ? => Less work for you, more fun for us !!
I'm asking because Masterwork does not use the latest version of your tileset and I have the impression that it makes you double work to update everything.
Why not do a single launcher to rule them all ?
And thanks you for your awesome work, you're awesome, long life to you !
Post by: Meph on February 25, 2019, 01:15:32 pm
It's far easier to update them independently. The MasterworkDF mod doesn't have this tileset because it would mean a lot of work and there is something else I'm working on too, which might make it obsolete anyway.
Thanks and greetings from Bavaria :)
I hope to get a bugfix up today, just testing everything to be sure this time. The color offset by one number rattled me quite a bit, because Splint had weird colors as well and I thought it was because of his modded save. It might be that BlightTrain helped a lot more than he thought.
I know that at some point I removed and/or added the entry "EGGPLANT" for colors at some point. It got lost in some update, Jecova pointed it out to me long ago. And that one missing color definition token might have moved all the colors one step.
Post by: Splint on February 25, 2019, 01:52:43 pm
Which I was as useful to the bugfixing process. I generally assume anything that breaks in my game is my own fault.
Post by: Meph on February 25, 2019, 01:57:55 pm
I was mostly afraid that adding it back in after assigning all the colors would offset them by one, but maybe it's the other way around.
Post by: Splint on February 25, 2019, 02:01:15 pm
Procedual stuff shouldn't be able to use it if it's not in the raws.
Oh, no. I learned that in a vanilla save. Had assumed werecreatures used the base creature's available color patterns. Turned out my assumption there was wrong (as I had never seen something that outlandish before.)
Post by: Meph on February 25, 2019, 03:21:19 pm
Post by: Splint on February 25, 2019, 04:35:31 pm
In a vanilla game with this tileset, while missing the eggplant entry?
No, I mean I ended up with an eggplant colored weremammoth in a vanilla game. I mean really, what sane person would use this tileset's barebones version? Sort of defeats the point.
I had assumed weres would use whatever counted as "natural" colors for whatever animals they are. Clearly I had just gotten boring-colored monsters. But it still means stuff besides eggplants - such as demons and werebeasts - will also use the color, as well as, of course, modded creatures such as ZM's various plant-based monsters.
Post by: Meph on February 25, 2019, 06:16:32 pm
I thought you meant that you had a eggplant-colored procedually generated creatures using a save in which I deleted the eggplant color definition token, which... would be highly odd, to say the least.
Post by: Meph on March 03, 2019, 09:50:14 am
Post by: Meph on March 03, 2019, 02:50:44 pm
Download: Meph Tileset V4.9 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
I got a bit of a strange mood, especially after seeing waterphage13's idea about tables/chairs that merge into one large sprite. This update adds the following:
- Bugfixes for hedges and sand colors/sprites. Super special thanks to BlightTrain!
- 2 new workshops: Carpetlayer and Furniture Shop, featuring a grand total of 372 new reactions.
- Carpets, 3 different designs, 114 colors.
- Banquet table: Giant tables assembled from up to 15 different designs.
- Benches: Giant "chairs" assembled from up to 15 different designs.
How it looks? Here an example dining room I build:
(https://i.imgur.com/7YtSvL6.png)
You can see the three carpet patterns: The wavy/silken on the left, it's edges I adorned with the checkered carpet, and on the right you see a rug/uniform carpet. On top of the carpets, I build same banquet tables and benches.
Now, how does all of this work?
The carpetlayer makes 4 cloth-blocks from 1 piece of cloth. You can use those to build carpet-floors, just like any other floor. You can also build any other construction like stairs or walls with them, as seen above. You can freely pick a color, no need for dye. (Done because there are over 100 colors, but only like 6 dyes in the game)
The furniture shop makes 1 piece of the table or bench from 1 boulder. They are labeled with their direction, like (N) bench or (EW) banquet table. In this example, you'd have the northern-end of a bench and the east-west aligned table. It's a bit tricky first figuring out where exactly which piece should go, but once you understand the naming scheme, it's easy. NESW is north-east-south-west, aka the four-way piece for the center.
The furniture is fully functional and dwarves use them. :)
PS: Maybe I can do that for a few more furniture pieces... giant bookshelves for example, or long sections of armor and weapon racks... depends how much people like this sort of thing. Oh, giant statues, 2x2 or 3x3 could also be a thing.
Post by: Splint on March 03, 2019, 03:48:19 pm
Post by: Meph on March 03, 2019, 03:56:51 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 04, 2019, 05:08:02 am
it looks awesome!
Post by: Splint on March 04, 2019, 05:50:09 am
in your screenshot, the NE bench corner has an offset of one pixel to the east. i bet you can fix it in no time.
it looks awesome!
You just had to point that out.
Now it's buggin' the shit out of me.
Post by: Meph on March 04, 2019, 07:53:15 am
I fixed that before the release, just was too lazy to build another dining room ingame. ^^
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 04, 2019, 12:56:37 pm
I know that feel, Bro.in your screenshot, the NE bench corner has an offset of one pixel to the east. i bet you can fix it in no time.
it looks awesome!
You just had to point that out.
Now it's buggin' the shit out of me.
I know.i thought so.
I fixed that before the release, just was too lazy to build another dining room ingame. ^^
Post by: seht on March 04, 2019, 01:00:16 pm
Also in regards to adventurer mode, how stable will it be, and how far am I likely to get? Do you recommend against it altogether? Any tips, generally?
edit: aquifers are also off lol
edit II: You can also set off from goblin strongholds...are goblins peaceful with their ringleaders? At this point I thought maybe this is actually just the masterwork mod, which I know nothing about, but I'm pretty sure that has orcs and a whole ton of things in it, which I haven't seen any hint of so far.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 05, 2019, 01:48:50 am
Post by: Meph on March 05, 2019, 07:31:42 am
I noticed that kobolds are set to playable in adventure mode, and I'm wondering: what settings in the launcher's default deviate from vanilla?If you think the tiny cosmetic changes and occasional balance changes from the launcher are in any way the scope of MasterworkDF, I just don't know what to say.
Also in regards to adventurer mode, how stable will it be, and how far am I likely to get? Do you recommend against it altogether? Any tips, generally?
edit: aquifers are also off lol
edit II: You can also set off from goblin strongholds...are goblins peaceful with their ringleaders? At this point I thought maybe this is actually just the masterwork mod, which I know nothing about, but I'm pretty sure that has orcs and a whole ton of things in it, which I haven't seen any hint of so far.
In general I don't recommend the tileset for adv-mode, because TWBT is not optimized for it and many, many different things will look strange, because no overrides for them can be done.
Post by: ZayZe on March 05, 2019, 05:34:46 pm
My dwarf experience is so great cause of Meph
:'( :'( :)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 05, 2019, 06:32:09 pm
Meph is such a god and everyone who assists him.no matter how much? i'm a god now?
My dwarf experience is so great cause of Meph
:'( :'( :)
Post by: Meph on March 10, 2019, 02:36:53 pm
Post by: Dragonslayerelf on March 10, 2019, 05:27:08 pm
Post by: Vordak on March 10, 2019, 05:40:02 pm
Any plans from you n Vordak to add female sprites or is that not in the books?With question about possibility of caste-based graphic need address to Toady himself. Modders here can not do anything.
Post by: Meph on March 10, 2019, 06:24:09 pm
Post by: Meph on March 12, 2019, 12:42:32 am
(https://i.imgur.com/vNcZA2S.png)
(the part where the diagonal wall goes back into the normal wall will always have 1 section looking off, due to the perspective)
Post by: Vordak on March 12, 2019, 01:09:59 pm
Tiles (with different cages) # 2, 11, 12, 21, 36, 38, 56, 57, 58, 127, 143, 162 how are they used? If used, how?
In overrides.txt they are not registered, in ASCII characters they are used for text.
P.S.1 I didn’t like the idea with the diagonal walls.
P.S.2 It would be more useful to convert the decor items from _Meph_decorations.png into normal furniture(with transparency) like how did you do with composite banquet tables. The same could be done with pictures from _Meph_decorations_2.png - just need to place them on wooden easel.
Post by: Meph on March 12, 2019, 01:24:49 pm
Download: Meph Tileset V5 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
Another update that I didn't really plan, but the timing seems right. ^^
Meet the decorator's shop:
(https://i.imgur.com/adYEBTK.png)
Now what does that little buddy do? He decorates your walls. No one asked for this, ever, so of course I made it for you to play around with. :P Your dwarven rooms might get a bit more cozy with a tiny bit more character to them:
(https://i.imgur.com/6kB7cMQ.png)
How does it works?
- Build decorator's shop.
- Takes 1 boulder, makes 4 blocks. There are 17(!) different blocks you can make, like "decorated with candles", "decorated with shields", etc.
- Build wall with blocks. Done.
It's really pretty simple.
16 of the blocks are decorations, while the last one is a bit special: It's blocks to make diagonal walls. I sometimes get requests for that type of wall, but I never added it because it would require changing the look of the walls from 3/4 view to top-down. I kinda went with a compromise for this, so half of the time the diagonal walls don't merge perfectly with the normal walls... no way around that. But for people that want the option, you can now do this:
(https://i.imgur.com/ynQjgfr.png)
I also added the SPECIAL tag to all the new inorganics, so that things like the majestic "banquet table forgotten beast (https://i.imgur.com/3nechjM.jpg)" (by Kruggsmash) or eternally burning "campfire artefacts" won't happen in future. ;)
It would be absolutely fantastic if people could send me a few saves of fortresses that they build with this tileset. I always play short test-forts, but barely see the big picture. It would really help. Just pack the data/save/regionX folder into a rar or zip and upload on DFFD. :)
Cheers,
Meph
PS: Please remember that this tileset includes it's on launcher and utilities and is far more refined than the Meph-Lite version in the LNP.
PPS: You need to generate a new world for this.
PPPS: No, you can't update old saves.
Post by: Meph on March 12, 2019, 01:31:47 pm
Meph_32x32.pngOh, the cages. DF is tricky sometimes.
Tiles (with different cages) # 2, 11, 12, 21, 36, 38, 56, 57, 58, 127, 143, 162 how are they used? If used, how?
In overrides.txt they are not registered, in ASCII characters they are used for text.
P.S.1 I didn’t like the idea with the diagonal walls.
P.S.2 It would be more useful to convert the decor items from _Meph_decorations.png into normal furniture(with transparency) like how did you do with composite banquet tables. The same could be done with pictures from _Meph_decorations_2.png - just need to place them on wooden easel.
Creatures use sprites from raw/graphics. Creatures in cages blink, showing cage/creature/cage/creature... BUT! creatures in constructed cages show their tile (CREATURE_TILE:X) instead of their sprite. Corpses also use the tile, but TWBT can override those. TWBT can NOT override the creatures-in-cages though.
So I made a cage with the silhouette of each major animal group (humanoid, fish, bird, quadruped, etc) and assigned the fitting tile numbers. I had to give them different tile numbers anyway for the corpses I made.
PS: That's perfectly within your right. ;) It's a tiny addition, I won't do much more with it.
PS2: You clairvoyant you. :D I did something similar... but I'm not sure if it works for the random objects from _Meph_decorations.png. I wouldn't know what item they should be. A table? A chair? A armorstand? You are right of course, it would make it easier to set them up, but none of the existing furniture would fit the correct category.
Post by: Splint on March 12, 2019, 01:34:25 pm
Post by: Meph on March 12, 2019, 01:35:53 pm
Y'know, I had a sneaking suspicion you were going to release an update not long after the previous. Glad I fiddled with Battlejudge instead of starting the fort :PYou'll never start that way.
No worries, there are no updates planned any time soon. You'll figure out why.
Post by: Splint on March 12, 2019, 01:42:51 pm
Well it's hard to do anything when you come out with new stuff that won't get to be in the fort a week after one is started. Ain't a bad thing on your part, but it sort of puts me in a holding pattern cause I keep thinking "Oh, that'd be cool to have! But I can't."Y'know, I had a sneaking suspicion you were going to release an update not long after the previous. Glad I fiddled with Battlejudge instead of starting the fort :PYou'll never start that way.
No worries, there are no updates planned any time soon. You'll figure out why.
If there's none planned for the near future (guessing it's bike season? :P) then I actually can get started after I do my Battlejudge update. Bee fort can wait.
Post by: Meph on March 12, 2019, 01:44:00 pm
Post by: Splint on March 12, 2019, 01:44:58 pm
Post by: Meph on March 12, 2019, 01:53:18 pm
Post by: Taffer on March 12, 2019, 02:13:33 pm
Post by: Meph on March 12, 2019, 02:17:20 pm
I don't know how old your Revised option is, but my current release is IMO a (comparably) good time to update things. I'm mostly done with the descriptions and I'm avoiding editing the comments, so the diff between this version and whatever my next version is should be comparably small.Oh yeah, that's something I could do. :) Thanks for the heads up.
Post by: Splint on March 12, 2019, 04:06:13 pm
Once I iron out what exactly I'm going to do for the fort beyond building, a fort should be up soon enough.
Post by: Meph on March 13, 2019, 11:00:14 am
So. There is that. ^^
Post by: neobit on March 13, 2019, 11:57:13 am
Post by: Hommit on March 14, 2019, 10:43:02 am
Post by: Thundercraft on March 14, 2019, 07:01:01 pm
I don't know how old your Revised option is, but my current release is IMO a (comparably) good time to update things. I'm mostly done with the descriptions and I'm avoiding editing the comments, so the diff between this version and whatever my next version is should be comparably small.Oh yeah, that's something I could do. :) Thanks for the heads up.
"Revised option"? I'm confused... Does the "Meph Tileset Launcher + Utilities" package include Revised as an option that can be turned on or off? Is Revised included in this package, but integrated in a way we can't disable? Is there a separate download for a version of Meph Tileset combined with Revised?
On the DFFD download page, the description does say that it includes "a few minor mods" (among other things). But it did not mention Revised by name. Nor can I find mention of Revised in the forum's OP.
I've looked inside and searched the package files, but I can not find a folder named "Revised" or a Revised readme. Though, I did notice some extra files in the \raws\, such as body_default_revised.txt and body_revised.txt. And I noticed references to "revised" in various files, including overrides.txt.
(I'm asking as someone who would appreciate a package with Meph Tileset + Revised combined.)
Also, just to clarify: I would assume that the "Meph Tileset Launcher + Utilities" package has not yet been updated with the latest Revised changes? DFFD says it was last updated "Mar 12, 2019, 03:23:29 pm", whereas Meph's reply above was time stamped March 12, 2019, 01:17:20 pm. But that does not seem like enough time. And the version is still 5.
Post by: Splint on March 14, 2019, 07:13:51 pm
Minor bug, under the forming sand section. Refers to shaping clay, not sand.
Post by: Thundercraft on March 14, 2019, 07:47:31 pm
Revised is under "additions," already baked in and toggleable with the launcher.
This is a surprise to me. Like I said, there is no mention of "Revised" in the description, either on the DFFD page or the forum OP.
Is there some place in the package files where I can find the Revised files so that I could either update them or modify them myself? The only other set of raws that I could find are located in \Dwarf Fortress\hack\Utilities\MWE\raws\ ... What does "MWE" stand for?
P.S.: I noticed that there are dozens of "thumb.db" files (Explorer's image cache files, technically a system file, some hidden and some not) wasting space in the package. In total, they waste over 8 MB.
Post by: Meph on March 14, 2019, 07:53:33 pm
The raws you found are just included in dfhack, unrelated to the tileset.
The revised changes are integrated into the actual raws that Df uses, just commented out if the mod is turned off.
Post by: Meph on March 16, 2019, 07:03:17 am
(https://i.imgur.com/Pi5w5fv.png)
(so much space)
Or maybe rather:
(https://i.imgur.com/VXvbTgC.png)
(Zelda:Link to the Past vibe)
Sooooo many options. :D This is amazing. (Sorry guys, I realized just now that this is possible.)
Sprites by the fantastic Redshrike from OpenGameArt: https://opengameart.org/users/redshrike (https://opengameart.org/users/redshrike)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 16, 2019, 07:45:08 am
in the first, you'd have to make the walls less wide (left-right).
but in the latter, the perspectives of adjacent rooms would really make your head go mad.
Post by: Meph on March 16, 2019, 07:53:12 am
Why less wide? Did you mean less high?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 16, 2019, 07:55:00 am
otherwise you'd have them look thin but stil ltaking one full tile, adding space between the wall and furniture, maing small rooms look strange.
Post by: Mrok Girl on March 16, 2019, 08:24:58 am
Also, congrats on your DF-to-Steam gig! :)
Post by: Virtones on March 16, 2019, 02:15:04 pm
UPDATE!
It would be absolutely fantastic if people could send me a few saves of fortresses that they build with this tileset. I always play short test-forts, but barely see the big picture. It would really help. Just pack the data/save/regionX folder into a rar or zip and upload on DFFD. :)
Firsts things first, I'm new to your tileset, and its just wonderfull! Congrats on your hard work and everything it accomplished.
Now, let me welcome to my halls, where we shall drink and share wisdoms of the long forgotten art of getting drunk....
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So, I've just made a fort using your tileset, started with the v4.6, in which at some point, around 10 years or so of fort, my save reached a point where it got stucked. I've managed to work around by loading a backup save, and playing it on the newest version of the launcher. My game now crashes from time to time, but it's been 3 years in game since this major crash, so I think it's ok. I was just reading a few of the last content, and decided to show you my save using your tileset so you can mess around.
Here's the link to the save http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14299
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on March 16, 2019, 02:49:05 pm
Fantastic embark: A good biome with a river next to a volcano... with a second magma-tube in the first cavern, right next to an underground lake. That's not bad at all.
Post by: Virtones on March 16, 2019, 05:23:14 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 17, 2019, 10:00:26 am
just started playing DF with a friend and we came to the same problem: bauxite is forbidden for building walls.The way it currently works is this:Ah, ok. Sad.QuoteIs there a way to not have all those stones listed as economic (and still have this feature working)?Nope, that's just how DF works.
But is it possible for you to change it in a way, that the non-economic stone is non-economic, when this feature is turned off?
Because I didn't enable this feature, but it still lists almost all stones as economic now.
- Disabling the feature removes the reaction from your civ, but the reaction still exists. (deep down DF knows that stone can be used in it, hence it's economic)
I could change the launcher to remove the entire reaction too. It's just a few extra lines, which would fix your issue. Btw, you can do that yourself by just deleting reaction_meph, reaction_brickoven and reaction_crematory. Those contain all the custom reactions that the tileset adds. Of course you should keep everything turned off in the launcher, otherwise it will throw a lot of error messages.
we deleted those reactions, but the game still doesnt allow them.
Post by: Meph on March 17, 2019, 12:31:04 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 18, 2019, 01:48:37 am
Why don't you open your stone menu and set them non-economic?tried navigating it and bauxite had what felt like 50 reactions and i would have had to deactivate them all not knowing how to deactivate them.
Post by: Meph on March 18, 2019, 06:48:54 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 18, 2019, 10:26:32 am
The stone menu has only one entry for Bauxite and you only have to toggle it once, regardless of the amount of reactions that use anything.okay, i'll pass that on to her and hopefully she understands how to do that ^^
Post by: Meph on March 18, 2019, 12:41:27 pm
Post by: Dragonslayerelf on March 18, 2019, 04:45:58 pm
Post by: funkydwarf on March 18, 2019, 11:04:26 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 19, 2019, 07:30:52 am
Idk but I personally think that a happy medium (aka current tileset) looks better. One looks too busy, one looks too bland. The current tileset is the perfect balance!same here.
i like the current one and hope it just gets completed even more.
Post by: Meph on March 19, 2019, 08:21:28 am
Idk but I personally think that a happy medium (aka current tileset) looks better. One looks too busy, one looks too bland. The current tileset is the perfect balance!Which tilesets do you mean, that are too busy and too bland?
Post by: Meph on March 19, 2019, 08:41:01 am
Here 256 animal examples.
(https://i.imgur.com/RbYadfT.png)
It works better with some, worse with others... Statues of megabeasts look cool, I really like the sea-monster at the bottom left (second sprite). Megabeasts are all there, and the bottom right has demons, titans, FBs and werebeasts... people could commemorate all their glorious kills this way.
I could do something similar with armorstands and weapon-racks, which would show added weapons/armor of your choice. The underlying tech would be the same as the walls-with-decorations, floors-as-carpets, tables as banquet-tables and chairs as benches.
Post by: Rose on March 19, 2019, 08:43:01 am
Post by: Meph on March 19, 2019, 08:48:02 am
I wonder how hard it would be for TWBT to check what creature the statue is of...You mean like this? http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=152734.msg6480648#msg6480648
There is a taxidermy script (no idea if it's still running with current DFhack) that takes the creatures corpse and make the fitting figurine or statue.
It's not quite compatible with TWBT, since TWBT goes by the material; while this script ignore it and I modded in a single custom inorganic for the statues. And of course people would need corpses in the first place... making it tough to get a lot of them, or picking between butchering and making statues. ^^
Would be cool though. :D
Post by: Splint on March 20, 2019, 02:59:51 am
Find it here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=173538.msg7946257#msg7946257)
Post by: Rose on March 20, 2019, 08:52:40 am
Nah, by checking the art on the statue itself, and assigning a sprite for that. So a statue of a dwarf can get a dwarf sprite, without custom reactions or anything.I wonder how hard it would be for TWBT to check what creature the statue is of...You mean like this? http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=152734.msg6480648#msg6480648
There is a taxidermy script (no idea if it's still running with current DFhack) that takes the creatures corpse and make the fitting figurine or statue.
It's not quite compatible with TWBT, since TWBT goes by the material; while this script ignore it and I modded in a single custom inorganic for the statues. And of course people would need corpses in the first place... making it tough to get a lot of them, or picking between butchering and making statues. ^^
Would be cool though. :D
Post by: soulside86 on March 21, 2019, 05:45:13 am
UPDATE!
Download: Meph Tileset V5 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
Another update that I didn't really plan, but the timing seems right. ^^
Meet the decorator's shop:
(https://i.imgur.com/adYEBTK.png)
Now what does that little buddy do? He decorates your walls. No one asked for this, ever, so of course I made it for you to play around with. :P Your dwarven rooms might get a bit more cozy with a tiny bit more character to them:
(https://i.imgur.com/6kB7cMQ.png)
How does it works?
- Build decorator's shop.
- Takes 1 boulder, makes 4 blocks. There are 17(!) different blocks you can make, like "decorated with candles", "decorated with shields", etc.
- Build wall with blocks. Done.
It's really pretty simple.
16 of the blocks are decorations, while the last one is a bit special: It's blocks to make diagonal walls. I sometimes get requests for that type of wall, but I never added it because it would require changing the look of the walls from 3/4 view to top-down. I kinda went with a compromise for this, so half of the time the diagonal walls don't merge perfectly with the normal walls... no way around that. But for people that want the option, you can now do this:
(https://i.imgur.com/ynQjgfr.png)
I also added the SPECIAL tag to all the new inorganics, so that things like the majestic "banquet table forgotten beast (https://i.imgur.com/3nechjM.jpg)" (by Kruggsmash) or eternally burning "campfire artefacts" won't happen in future. ;)
It would be absolutely fantastic if people could send me a few saves of fortresses that they build with this tileset. I always play short test-forts, but barely see the big picture. It would really help. Just pack the data/save/regionX folder into a rar or zip and upload on DFFD. :)
Cheers,
Meph
PS: Please remember that this tileset includes it's on launcher and utilities and is far more refined than the Meph-Lite version in the LNP.
PPS: You need to generate a new world for this.
PPPS: No, you can't update old saves.
Hi Meph
Love the tileset!
Any chance we could get a standalone V5 tileset to use with the starter pack?
Post by: Meph on March 21, 2019, 05:59:06 am
Post by: soulside86 on March 21, 2019, 06:01:49 am
soulside86: No chance, PeridexisErrant won't add it, since it would cause issues with the LNPs savegame updater/tileset changer. That's why I made this pack myself. :)
Thanks for the quick reply.
I'll have to take another look at your pack then and see if I can work out how to use your launcher. I've just started dwarf fortress so don't want to get myself too overwhelmed haha
P.S. looking forward to seeing your Steam tileset
Post by: memesandmaryjane on March 24, 2019, 10:37:37 pm
I'm having an issue with this Meph Tileset that I just can't seem to fix. I tried using the tileset in Adventure Mode, first through the Lazy Newb Pack, and started to encounter heavy visual glitching immediately... almost all the tiles in my world changed to incorrect sprites (Here are comparison images: https://imgur.com/gallery/LciQAfg) I figured the "Lite" edition of the tileset in the Newb Pack might not be working properly, so I downloaded the launcher from this thread... still having the problem. I even installed Dwarf Fortress through the Meph launcher on my other computer, a Windows 10 laptop - still encountering the issue on there. And to make matters worse... after searching the internet, Dwarf Fortress subreddit, and this forum, I can't seem to find anyone else who is having this issue.
I'd really like to use this tileset to play DF, as I much prefer its style and detail over the other options... not to mention the gameplay enhancements the Meph Launcher brings. But this makes it unusable, especially since I'm a n00b who is still learning. Thank you in advance to anybody who can help...
Post by: Splint on March 24, 2019, 11:30:40 pm
Post by: memesandmaryjane on March 25, 2019, 11:51:54 pm
Looks like you're playing adventure mode, which the tileset was not made for, really.That's unfortunate... although I'm still a bit confused, as I have come across screenshots of people using the tileset in adventure mode with (seemingly) no problems - is there some trick to get it working properly?
Post by: Splint on March 26, 2019, 12:21:53 am
Post by: Meph on March 26, 2019, 03:39:54 am
Post by: unkum on March 26, 2019, 06:49:12 pm
If someone could help me with this baby boom before they become boomer memes, that would be grand. Thanks in advance.
Post by: atimholt on March 27, 2019, 12:35:47 pm
Post by: Dragonslayerelf on April 01, 2019, 09:58:40 pm
In the modpack, beak dogs are pink. In the game, beak dogs are consistently described as rainbow striped (with stripes of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet)
I rest my case.
Post by: SalmonGod on April 01, 2019, 11:02:54 pm
I'd like to lodge a formal complaint.
In the modpack, beak dogs are pink. In the game, beak dogs are consistently described as rainbow striped (with stripes of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet)
I rest my case.
Are you perhaps undiagnosed partial color blind? Here's a screenshot of a Meph beak dog from my game. I see a wide range of colors clearly represented. Only a single stripe of pink.
My kids are partial color blind and see or don't see all kinds of weird colors that don't match up with everyone else. It's not uncommon.
(https://i.imgur.com/QSPjNCv.jpg)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 02, 2019, 05:31:26 am
I am diagnosed with Deuteranomaly and i can only see a pinkish-violet creature with something red in its beak and holding something red with its claw.I'd like to lodge a formal complaint.
In the modpack, beak dogs are pink. In the game, beak dogs are consistently described as rainbow striped (with stripes of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet)
I rest my case.
Are you perhaps undiagnosed partial color blind? Here's a screenshot of a Meph beak dog from my game. I see a wide range of colors clearly represented. Only a single stripe of pink.
My kids are partial color blind and see or don't see all kinds of weird colors that don't match up with everyone else. It's not uncommon.
(https://i.imgur.com/QSPjNCv.jpg)
Post by: Meph on April 02, 2019, 06:08:53 am
Post by: SalmonGod on April 02, 2019, 07:23:39 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 02, 2019, 08:59:48 am
you made various changes in the d_init.txt regarding which tiles are used...
Post by: Meph on April 02, 2019, 10:12:26 am
i just foudn a possible reason for the nonfunctioning pack when using it with linuxlnp:Yeah, sure. Many tilesets do that.
you made various changes in the d_init.txt regarding which tiles are used...
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 02, 2019, 03:13:06 pm
yes, but it makes it hard to copy in your 44.12 tileset into a 44.09 LinuxLNP without getting unwanted wrong overrides...i just foudn a possible reason for the nonfunctioning pack when using it with linuxlnp:Yeah, sure. Many tilesets do that.
you made various changes in the d_init.txt regarding which tiles are used...
:( it's so complicated.
Post by: Meph on April 02, 2019, 05:05:03 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 03, 2019, 06:31:44 am
downloading latest version now.
Post by: Dragonslayerelf on April 05, 2019, 05:02:06 pm
Post by: SedrynTyros on April 06, 2019, 01:41:11 am
Post by: Meph on April 06, 2019, 05:09:59 am
Newb question: Is there a way to take a save that was used with the Phoebus tileset via the LNP and update that save to be playable with in the Meph Tileset v5 launcher?Nope.
Post by: SedrynTyros on April 06, 2019, 10:10:46 am
Newb question: Is there a way to take a save that was used with the Phoebus tileset via the LNP and update that save to be playable with in the Meph Tileset v5 launcher?Nope.
Ah ... so you have to play a game from the beginning using the launcher otherwise there's no switching to the tileset later? That's unfortunate. Part of the fun for me is seeing how my fortress looks later in development using different tilesets. And I can't see myself being locked into using a single tileset with one of my worlds, so this one's not for me I guess. Admirable effort, though.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 06, 2019, 12:50:02 pm
the problem here lies within the overrides and mods/changes to the raws and even modded new workshops/functionality.Newb question: Is there a way to take a save that was used with the Phoebus tileset via the LNP and update that save to be playable with in the Meph Tileset v5 launcher?Nope.
Ah ... so you have to play a game from the beginning using the launcher otherwise there's no switching to the tileset later? That's unfortunate. Part of the fun for me is seeing how my fortress looks later in development using different tilesets. And I can't see myself being locked into using a single tileset with one of my worlds, so this one's not for me I guess. Admirable effort, though.
if any of those differ from those in the save, it will most likely not work at all, no matterwhich pack you use.
you could use only the tileset without any of the other changes and use it in a vanilla DF or a LNP.
Post by: SedrynTyros on April 06, 2019, 01:02:30 pm
the problem here lies within the overrides and mods/changes to the raws and even modded new workshops/functionality.Newb question: Is there a way to take a save that was used with the Phoebus tileset via the LNP and update that save to be playable with in the Meph Tileset v5 launcher?Nope.
Ah ... so you have to play a game from the beginning using the launcher otherwise there's no switching to the tileset later? That's unfortunate. Part of the fun for me is seeing how my fortress looks later in development using different tilesets. And I can't see myself being locked into using a single tileset with one of my worlds, so this one's not for me I guess. Admirable effort, though.
if any of those differ from those in the save, it will most likely not work at all, no matterwhich pack you use.
you could use only the tileset without any of the other changes and use it in a vanilla DF or a LNP.
That's exactly what I'm looking to do! How would I go about that? I downloaded the barebones pack but have not been able to get my old saves to load even after I copy over the Raws. I get this error about a Missing Entity. Do I ignore the Raws completely? I'm new at this so I don't really know how this stuff works. But I'd love to have the option to use this beautiful graphics pack as long as it's interchangeable with others.
EDIT:
I did try it without the Raws in the save game (region2\raw) but it fails to load when it can't find the first text file it needs. But when I try it with the Raws I get an error window: FATAL ERROR - Missing Entity Definition. So I'm guessing that I need some of the Raws but not others? Maybe I need to remove some of the Raws from both the save game and Dwarf Fortress 0.44.12\raw?
EDIT2:
Looks like it has to do with some files in raw\objects. I got passed the first crash that occurred during loading Interactions by removing "interaction_fd.txt" in raws but now it's crashing on Sorting Entities. Maybe if I keep playing with it I'll be able to figure out the ones it doesn't like, lol.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 06, 2019, 04:44:56 pm
Post by: SedrynTyros on April 06, 2019, 08:33:35 pm
add only the graphics - no overrides at all. no raws. and don't take a save from an old version to a new version. just copy in the new graphics and change your d_init.txt and init.txt to use the new textures.
Well, removing data\init\overrides.txt and all files from raw\objects did seem to work. I added the finished product into my PyLNP launcher and it seems to integrate into my existing save games okay. Thanks for the help! :)
EDIT:
Stunning graphics set, Meph. I look forward to seeing your work on the Steam release! :)
EDIT2:
So, it looks like you can use the overrides as long as you comment out everything with the word "custom" in it and also the bone set. You also have to remove some of the files in raw\objects to avoid the customizations of certain game options.
Post by: DanceMachine on April 07, 2019, 11:27:24 am
Post by: Etarnalazure on April 07, 2019, 05:20:48 pm
I'd like to thank you quite a bit for this tileset, I've been wanting to get into Dwarf Fortress for years, however, its always been close to impossible for me to do so.
Unfortunately I suffer from ADD (ADHD without the hyper part), thus concentrating on learning the game has been a large hurdle for me, as the ASCII caused me
a lot of issues, mainly related to concentration, its hard to explain, but the ASCII graphics just made the game seem insurmountable to learn, I've tried over and over
for years, and even with pills helping with my focus I've never managed to get into it, hell I often found it problematic just to get started with the Lazy Newbie pack, as I
frankly didnt know what to choose, what graphics were up today, what to expect etc.
Your pack made all this a lot simpler to understand, the game still isnt easy to learn for me, but frankly, its become about 50% easier to focus on learning the game, even
managed to get a small camp started yesterday.
So once more, thank you for helping me get into this game.
Post by: soulside86 on April 10, 2019, 07:26:12 am
Not sure if I'm missing something with your launcher but how do I get the utilities to auto-run when I hit "Play Dwarf Fortress"?
i.e. have SoundCenSe start when I start Dwarf Fortress
Thanks
Post by: alphawolf29 on April 18, 2019, 08:04:58 pm
Ex.
good: https://i.imgur.com/sDcVC4c.png
bad: https://i.imgur.com/bdnEWjB.png
as you can see, the slopes changed to sprites and random leaves changed to random other tiles. It reverts to normal again after travelling until it has to load a new chunk. Whats wrong?
Post by: Splint on April 18, 2019, 09:50:50 pm
Getting a weird bug trying to play this in vanilla lazie noob pack. Everything looks great when I load in but as soon as the game loads the next chunk, about half of the tiles turn to something random.
Ex.
good: https://i.imgur.com/sDcVC4c.png
bad: https://i.imgur.com/bdnEWjB.png
as you can see, the slopes changed to sprites and random leaves changed to random other tiles. It reverts to normal again after travelling until it has to load a new chunk. Whats wrong?
That looks like Adventure Mode, which the tileset wasn't really made for (it can work, but you need to save and load often, that bug usually heralds an imminent crash while playing Adventure.) Very crash prone in that mode as well.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on April 19, 2019, 03:12:50 am
adv mode has many problems with twbt and this tileset relies on twbt.Getting a weird bug trying to play this in vanilla lazie noob pack. Everything looks great when I load in but as soon as the game loads the next chunk, about half of the tiles turn to something random.
Ex.
good: https://i.imgur.com/sDcVC4c.png
bad: https://i.imgur.com/bdnEWjB.png
as you can see, the slopes changed to sprites and random leaves changed to random other tiles. It reverts to normal again after travelling until it has to load a new chunk. Whats wrong?
That looks like Adventure Mode, which the tileset wasn't really made for (it can work, but you need to save and load often, that bug usually heralds an imminent crash while playing Adventure.) Very crash prone in that mode as well.
Post by: Meph on April 29, 2019, 01:29:43 pm
Post by: Splint on April 29, 2019, 04:13:31 pm
Campfire
Danger to the worker, they fail to path out of the smoke without teleportation on, and on at least one occasion failed to do so even with it.
Dead bodies piled on it fail to ignite half the time. Since that's the only use I personally even have for it, this is... Less than optimal, shall we say.
Basically too dangerous to the worker to use. Doesn't fill any useful function. Unless those can be reasonably fixed (which they might not for all I know,) it may as well just be rolled into the light decoration.
Crematorium
Body parts - works fine, but needs a warning that it also takes useful shit like wool and shells if there isn't one already. Shouldn't need stockpiling before anyone says that. Stockpiling body parts
makes it functionally on the same level as chucking the offending bits in a ditch because the haulers will get traumatized for life either way.
Doesn't burn corpses - Disappointing, and was the main thing I personally would have needed such a building for, along with the body parts. If there's some issue preventing that, that's fine, but it's one of the two thing it'd be really, really needed for.
Remaining functionality - Vermin disposal aside, the rest of it just seems... Superfluous, and that's saying something considering the nature of the mod. I dunno if anyone else does, but I've never made use of the "burn clothes/furniture" reactions. It's more useful to sell trash furniture and clothes than burn it and by the time people tend to get to the "just burn everything up" stage of things, they have magma and thus don't need this functionality.
May have come off as harsh, but these two things basically just don't do half of what they'd actually be needed for, and one of them is an active detriment.
Post by: Dragonslayerelf on May 03, 2019, 06:49:45 pm
Post by: Meph on May 03, 2019, 08:26:33 pm
Is Vordak still working on his graphics?Vordak locked his thread the day the Steam announcement was made, since then he posted one picture to reddit. He didn't answer my PMs. So... I don't know.
Post by: IlFedaykin on May 05, 2019, 11:00:22 am
Is Vordak still working on his graphics?Vordak locked his thread the day the Steam announcement was made, since then he posted one picture to reddit. He didn't answer my PMs. So... I don't know.
Maybe he works secretly
Post by: Dragonslayerelf on May 06, 2019, 08:20:06 am
Oh no! I hope he comes back to it, he might just be burnt out though. It'd be nice if someone took over his tileset n continued the style with the humans & elves, I really like his work.Is Vordak still working on his graphics?Vordak locked his thread the day the Steam announcement was made, since then he posted one picture to reddit. He didn't answer my PMs. So... I don't know.
Is Vordak still working on his graphics?Vordak locked his thread the day the Steam announcement was made, since then he posted one picture to reddit. He didn't answer my PMs. So... I don't know.
Maybe he works secretly
maybe but he might just be burned out. We can only hope for the best!
Post by: Meph on May 08, 2019, 01:48:01 pm
Download: Meph Tileset V5.1 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
Hey everyone,
A small, rather random update thanks to user brolol.404 (a nick that truly subverts expectations), who made a very thorough mod adding 33 different dog breeds to the game. He asked me to create sprites for them, since he wanted to play them with the tileset. So I did. :) I think it adds a lot of character to your pets and dwarves; from the hero combatant with war-bulldogs to the eccentric queen with corgis.
(https://i.imgur.com/PgqXpDD.png)
The tileset now includes an optional addition: 33 new domestic pets in form of different dog breeds. Anything from Akita over Schnauzer to Husky, Dachshund or Mastiff. You can disable them the same way you disable any other decoration, in the launcher.
For full info on all the dogs, see this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You can find the standalone mod here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=173871.0
Hope you enjoy,
Cheers Meph
*hurries back to the official tileset... ^^
Post by: Superdorf on May 08, 2019, 04:01:48 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 09, 2019, 11:27:44 am
and germany is represented too :D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on May 10, 2019, 08:24:13 am
Nice :)and here I thought the German Shepard dog would be the obvious pick. :-D
and germany is represented too :DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 10, 2019, 01:03:34 pm
"Alles für den Dackel - alles für den Club - unser Leben für den Hund" (everything for the dachshund - everything for the club - our life for the dog!) :DNice :)and here I thought the German Shepard dog would be the obvious pick. :-D
and germany is represented too :DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
both are great breeds.
Post by: Dragonslayerelf on May 12, 2019, 11:48:52 pm
Post by: Jostino on May 15, 2019, 07:43:51 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 15, 2019, 12:09:51 pm
Anyone is using it on LNP for Linux? Just wanna know how to install on LNP for Linux, if possible.i tried it and it didn't work as i wanted. also installing it into the 44.09 LinuxLNP didn't work either.
Post by: Darkond2100 on May 18, 2019, 10:25:29 pm
You can disable them the same way you disable any other decoration, in the launcher.I don't see any option in the launcher to enable or disable these dogs.
Right now I'm working on updating the LNP raws with the latest version of the Revised mod. It's going prett well. Pasting in YES_REVISED or NO_REVISED! is pretty easy. Except where you have two mods that edit the same variable, like NO_MORE_BLEEDING[VASCULAR:1] and YES_REVISED[VASCULAR:5]. What do I do in cases like these?
Post by: Meph on May 19, 2019, 11:22:02 am
If there are two that edit the same tags, take the one you like. The lowest active one in the text file will be used. it doesn't hurt if it has vascular:5 and vascular:1 at the same time, but in this case, it would only use vascular:1 ingame.
Post by: Carcanken on May 21, 2019, 11:23:58 pm
By "graphical tearing" I mean that if I have a 10x10 constructed floor, then sometimes tiles that aren't on the edges are displayed with an incorrect graphic, but if I hover over them they will revert back. I've also noticed this only happens above ground, but its very immersion breaking at times.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 22, 2019, 05:24:27 am
I'm sorry if somebody has asked this before, but has anybody experienced some sort of "graphical tearing" in game? I'm just using the tileset straight out of the box with the masterwork launcher.its because twbt doesnt redraw all tiles - you can use a command to forceit to always redraw all tiles to eliminate the bug, but it is reported to make the game unstable and cause crashes.
By "graphical tearing" I mean that if I have a 10x10 constructed floor, then sometimes tiles that aren't on the edges are displayed with an incorrect graphic, but if I hover over them they will revert back. I've also noticed this only happens above ground, but its very immersion breaking at times.
Post by: LargeSnail on May 25, 2019, 10:47:05 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Why does this happen? I only added the Domestically Bred Dwarven Beasts mod of vettlingr, so it must not be the problem here.
Post by: Meph on May 26, 2019, 06:11:11 am
Post by: LargeSnail on May 27, 2019, 02:01:06 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Every single report is exactly the same; a dwarf or creature doing NA against no one.
I know you're working hard with the new tileset for the Steam version, so I don't want to annoy you, but this problem is a bit immersion-breaking.
Post by: Meph on May 27, 2019, 06:05:48 am
The only thing I changed last update was adding the dogs, which have a tale-wagging greeting interaction. I guess brolol.404 didn't catch that bug before release.
If you remove the new creature dog file, it should go away.
Post by: goldenvixen on May 29, 2019, 07:25:12 pm
building/subtype-change is not a recognized command.
I've tried straight up copy and pasting your files into my game's default and save raws instead of editing to what I like to moving the entire modtools folder from dfhack into raw/scripts/modtools, and that still doesn't work. I would try downloading your launcher, but I am sadly playing on linux. It's weird because in the past, these buildings worked when I was playing the Succubus Dungeon mod. Only difference this time is I'm just playing dwarves. Legit head scratcher here. Anyways, I've uploaded a copy of my save file incase you need to take a peek at it to figure out what's wrong: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hwz3yr5hd491f8/buildingsubtypeerrorregion1.rar?dl=0
Edit: I figured it out! I discovered I was missing a lua file when I head scratch and looked into both your onLoad.init and the Succubus Dungeon file. The Succubus Dungeon mod includes subtype-change.lua as well as other scripts, which is why the decoractions stopped working when I removed the mod. I managed to miss this because I saw the command in your onLoad.init uses reaction-trigger.lua first. I hadn't realized it uses two lua scripts. Now I feel silly. I went ahead, downloaded your launcher and proceeded to copy all of the lua scripts into my default folder incase I missed any other scripts.
Post by: HumanScholar on May 29, 2019, 09:35:22 pm
Post by: Meph on May 30, 2019, 05:27:29 am
humanscholar, Merging Svers mod into this should be fairly simple, but the new items would lack sprites. Maybe ask Svers what he thinks about this, and I can expand the tileset by a few items. :D
Post by: LargeSnail on May 31, 2019, 10:43:25 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I removed the new dogs from the raws, and the error stills there (it appears in both modes, Fortress and Adventurer).
I assume it is not them, or maybe it is a bug from the original dog (I don't know if brolom.404 edited it somehow). Anyways, the error does not seems to go beyond of the bugged reports (and random advices like ''You being greeted by a pet!'') so it is not a major problem.
Post by: Meph on May 31, 2019, 11:33:05 am
Post by: Thundercraft on June 01, 2019, 09:06:22 pm
I don't know how old your Revised option is, but my current release is IMO a (comparably) good time to update things. I'm mostly done with the descriptions and I'm avoiding editing the comments, so the diff between this version and whatever my next version is should be comparably small.Oh yeah, that's something I could do. :) Thanks for the heads up.
[snip]...just to clarify: I would assume that the "Meph Tileset Launcher + Utilities" package has not yet been updated with the latest Revised changes? DFFD says it was last updated "Mar 12, 2019, 03:23:29 pm", whereas Meph's reply above was time stamped March 12, 2019, 01:17:20 pm. But that does not seem like enough time. And the version is still 5.
Revised was requested a couple of times and Taffer was kind enough to allow me to put it in. As splint said, you can toggle it on in the launcher. It's not the most up to date version of Revised, since I haven't touched that part for a while.
Hey, it's been a while since the last update on this set. Any requests by now, ideas for the future, bugs? (apart from the adv mode stuff that I couldn't fix)Since you're asking for requests... Would you consider updating the Revised (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.0) portion of your package to the latest version (v2.1.0)? Please? The Revised thread still indicates that the mod's status is on "hiatus", so it should not get a new update any time soon.
The only thing I changed last update was adding the dogs, which have a tale-wagging greeting interaction. I guess brolol.404 didn't catch that bug before release.If adding the dogs was the only change in the last version, then is it safe to assume that you haven't yet updated Revised?
Post by: Darkond2100 on June 02, 2019, 12:04:01 am
It's not a small thing to ask, but I am working on just that right now. I have been for the past couple weeks. I'm just about done, and am just working out the bugs right now.I don't know how old your Revised option is, but my current release is IMO a (comparably) good time to update things. I'm mostly done with the descriptions and I'm avoiding editing the comments, so the diff between this version and whatever my next version is should be comparably small.Oh yeah, that's something I could do. :) Thanks for the heads up.[snip]...just to clarify: I would assume that the "Meph Tileset Launcher + Utilities" package has not yet been updated with the latest Revised changes? DFFD says it was last updated "Mar 12, 2019, 03:23:29 pm", whereas Meph's reply above was time stamped March 12, 2019, 01:17:20 pm. But that does not seem like enough time. And the version is still 5.Revised was requested a couple of times and Taffer was kind enough to allow me to put it in. As splint said, you can toggle it on in the launcher. It's not the most up to date version of Revised, since I haven't touched that part for a while.Hey, it's been a while since the last update on this set. Any requests by now, ideas for the future, bugs? (apart from the adv mode stuff that I couldn't fix)Since you're asking for requests... Would you consider updating the Revised (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.0) portion of your package to the latest version (v2.1.0)? Please? The Revised thread still indicates that the mod's status is on "hiatus", so it should not get a new update any time soon.The only thing I changed last update was adding the dogs, which have a tale-wagging greeting interaction. I guess brolol.404 didn't catch that bug before release.If adding the dogs was the only change in the last version, then is it safe to assume that you haven't yet updated Revised?
I'd appreciate some help with them as well, as I'm not sure what's causing them. I'll include the associated files. http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14395
Post by: Meph on June 09, 2019, 04:22:57 pm
As I've been messing around with items for the official DF tileset, I had the idea to make variants of furniture, just like ground tiles can be varied (4 sprites for floors instead of just 1). Here an example for cabinets, coffins and beds:
(https://i.imgur.com/coHUZcL.png)
I already do something like this for the 256 statues that I put into this tileset, I could make the furniture a bit more varied too. :D Only issue would be that it might mess with symmetry and I know how much some people love that. ^^
Post by: Splint on June 10, 2019, 03:45:53 am
Post by: IlFedaykin on June 11, 2019, 03:27:47 am
Post by: Thundercraft on June 12, 2019, 05:01:52 am
Has anyone had any luck merging Sver's armor and weapons mod into this one?
humanscholar, Merging Svers mod into this should be fairly simple, but the new items would lack sprites. Maybe ask Svers what he thinks about this, and I can expand the tileset by a few items. :D
As Meph said, it should be pretty simple or straightforward. For a moment, I had wondered about compatibility, since the full Meph Tileset pack incorporates the Revised mod. However, I remembered that Revised has incorporated certain part's of Sver's mod and visa versa. Here's a relevant post from the Revised topic:
Currently, my mod incorporates all of the Revised features from the files that overlap. They are fully compatible, as long as you install my mod after Revised and simply overwrite everything.
Actually, Darkond2100 talked about (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.msg7971856#msg7971856) not only updating Meph's pack with the latest Revised, but also plans to incorporate Sver's mod.
Post by: Sver on June 12, 2019, 08:01:17 am
scholar, Merging Svers mod into this should be fairly simple, but the new items would lack sprites. Maybe ask Svers what he thinks about this, and I can expand the tileset by a few items. :D
Ahem. On time, as always, I have to say that I certainly do not object to incorporating my mod or drawing tiles for it. Would be an honour to be included in such a pack, actually :)
Post by: KassaK on June 12, 2019, 09:02:33 am
I had in the same time 2 sieges and a fire outside (from troglodyte arms apparently ^^) that started to burn my whole forest....and burned all my FPS too, like 60FPS to 3/4FPS instantly.
My game crashed 2/3 times, I think it's because of fire.
Is it a DF problem or is it linked to your tileset ? I'm using animation for tile like water/fire from your tileset, maybe it's that ?
Post by: Meph on June 12, 2019, 03:18:03 pm
Svers: Thank you. I'll have a look at your mod and let you know what I can do, regarding the sprites. I am on tour atm however, so not much being done atm. But I'll visit Mike mayday soon, I'm sure df might come up as a topic. 😆
Post by: Meph on June 12, 2019, 03:19:19 pm
Since tables and chairs are usually placed in bulks, it would probably make meeting halls look weird... The best option would be making it possible to switch on and off.tables and chairs already have the option to be build with fancy graphics: benches and banquet tables. It's a bit more work, but looks awesome. 😊
Post by: boogis on June 13, 2019, 01:50:25 am
(I launch SS before game)
Post by: IlFedaykin on June 13, 2019, 01:52:48 am
tables and chairs already have the option to be build with fancy graphics: benches and banquet tables. It's a bit more work, but looks awesome. 😊Fantastic!
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on June 13, 2019, 05:24:49 am
Hey guys I have a problem here. when I use meph launcher I don't have soundsense working so I don't have sound (even in game sound option its not available). But when I use lazy newb launcher sound work just fine but in game I have fish tile instead of grass. Neither of these make me happy in discovering this wonderful game and I don't wanna use other tileset I just very much like this one. can you please help me?did you move the folder after directing SS to the gamelog.txt?
(I launch SS before game)
Post by: Heretic on June 15, 2019, 10:29:35 am
Post by: Meph on June 15, 2019, 12:25:16 pm
Heretic: vordak dwarves are the ones you start with. They come preinstalled. ☺️
Post by: Meph on June 16, 2019, 07:23:31 am
Especially the changes to existing vanilla DF content are troublesome. I don't mind adding more items, but altering existing ones is something else. :/
Post by: Fleeting Frames on June 23, 2019, 09:46:51 am
Looking at the overrides.txt in linux version it seems it wasn't, but asking just in case:
Was a fix found for conflict between blood splatters on walls/mining designations/mineral tiles/unrevealed areas?
(By fix, I mean settings so that designations wouldn't be able to reveal things about hidden tiles while blood splatters wouldn't make walls look like mining designations.)
Post by: Meph on June 23, 2019, 11:32:58 am
Post by: Fleeting Frames on June 23, 2019, 05:26:42 pm
Guess I'd need to be change I wish to see.
E: Well that was easy. Wonder why it wasn't done by default, performance?
Post by: knainoa on July 02, 2019, 07:32:17 pm
Post by: Meph on July 02, 2019, 10:27:01 pm
Post by: knainoa on July 03, 2019, 03:22:39 am
Nope, merging this with masterwork df could cause all sorts of issues, since the mod runs on multiple sets of raws for the 20+ tilesets included. :/
Ah damn. Is a tileset compatibility/update planned? Or should I stop holding my breath and wait for someone to masterwork the steam release.
Post by: Meph on July 03, 2019, 09:53:57 am
Post by: The13thRonin on July 06, 2019, 01:34:43 am
I was wanting to port across some new gemstones I made for Dwarf Fortress to use your graphics pack/tileset. However I noticed that your gem raws use a different system to define a DISPLAY_COLOR. Regular Dwarf Fortress raws use the 0-7, 0-7, 0-1 color picking system but I'm noting all of your gemstones have numbers in the 100s for the first two values.
Would you be able to explain how this DISPLAY_COLOR system works so I am able to utilise my modifications?
Many thanks,
The13thRonin
Post by: Meph on July 06, 2019, 12:54:34 pm
Please double check with one color, because there might be the chance that I messed up ONE number in that... so the numbers might be shifted either one up or down. But you can test that easily.
Post by: The13thRonin on July 07, 2019, 08:21:57 am
I believe:
- Morion (https://www.overstock.ca/Jewelry-Watches/14k-Rose-Gold-Brown-Morion-and-3-4ct-TDW-Diamond-Estate-Ring-H-I-SI1-SI2/13257750/product.html) should be swapped to TAUPE_DARK #This gem is supposed to be variety of smokey quartz that is a coffee to darker brown.
- Schorl (http://gem5.com/stone/107/schorl-tourmaline/) should be swapped to BLACK #Also known as black tourmaline it makes sense for this to be black not brown.
- Lapis Lazuli (https://www.crystalage.com/online_store/lapiz-lazuli-egg-51mm1.cfm) should be swapped to DARK_BLUE #Although it comes in a range of blue hues it is commonly perceived as dark blue (Wikipedia also suggests this to be the case).
- Prase (https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/698621878/polished-green-prase-carved-egg-with?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=reiki+prase&ref=sr_gallery-1-4) should be swapped to SEA_GREEN #Distinguished by being a shade darker than regular chrysoprase.
- Chrysoprase (https://www.gemselect.com/chrysoprase/chrysoprase-505453.php) should be swapped to SPRING_GREEN #Actually lighter than Prase.
Each change is linked to an image showing the color of the gem.
Post by: knainoa on August 02, 2019, 02:56:09 pm
Edit: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t51xcw5oplqzard/Meph%20Tileset%20V5.1%20-%2044.12.7z?dl=0
Here is the integrated pack if anyone wants it. It's a little rough, I couldn't get the gunsmithing workshop to work, but dwarves can make all the weapons and armors. Should also be able to buy/loot guns off of invaders and traders. Gave Humans, Elves, Goblins, Kobolds more weapon/armor options too while trying to keep it roughly balanced. Only added weapons and armor to Ferric Elves and Serpent Men out of the fortress defense civs because those are the only ones I use. To add them to the others, just rip it out of the dwarf entity raw file and pop them into the entity defs. All credit to Meph and Grimlocke. If this breaks some forum rules, just let me know and I'll take this down.
Post by: darkhog on August 10, 2019, 09:37:50 pm
//edit: Looks like 44.12 LNP comes with this set, but older version. I really would like to have 5.1 as that older version doesn't have all the sprites.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 11, 2019, 06:30:00 am
Do you have a version that can be used with LNP? So I can just copy it to LNP/graphics and have it recognize it and update (big advantage of LNP and PyLNP launcher is that it can update saves).same prob here. but copying it over just created duplicate entries and the overrides didn't work as intended.
//edit: Looks like 44.12 LNP comes with this set, but older version. I really would like to have 5.1 as that older version doesn't have all the sprites.
Post by: Meph on August 11, 2019, 10:36:07 am
Post by: darkhog on August 11, 2019, 04:53:22 pm
Post by: Xeen on August 11, 2019, 07:14:07 pm
Cannot be melt in smelter, cannot be extracted in kiln ? I can only sell it to caravan.
Post by: Meph on August 12, 2019, 07:00:53 am
Xeen: :o ... ehm... bog iron? Did I overlook something in Taffers Revised?
Post by: Xeen on August 12, 2019, 08:42:19 am
Xeen: :o ... ehm... bog iron? Did I overlook something in Taffers Revised?
Looks like ore icon in your tileset. Veins are inside some dirt layers instead of stone - in swamp region (I am building swamp dwarf fortress :P ).
It is hauled into stone stockpile but I did not find way how get iron from it. Neither smelter, neither kiln offers me any option to deal with it.
In real world it is for example goethite (FeO(OH)).
I found something about it here (not sure if it is related somehow to your pack).
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.msg7999363#msg7999363
Post by: Meph on August 12, 2019, 09:45:13 am
Post by: darkhog on August 12, 2019, 05:08:22 pm
//edit: LNP has that nice option of autostarting utilities (therapist, soundsense, etc.) along with DF so all I need to do is to click "Play dwarf fortress". Could this be added to your launcher as well?
Post by: Novaris on August 13, 2019, 11:25:07 am
Post by: Meph on August 13, 2019, 02:41:18 pm
Post by: Novaris on August 13, 2019, 02:47:56 pm
Post by: darkhog on August 14, 2019, 08:27:24 pm
Post by: Meph on August 15, 2019, 12:35:00 am
Could you fix the set for the adventurer mode? It displays nonsensical tiles on map (stairs where in the middle of forest, random coffins/armored guard sprites in place of far-away slopes or walls, thought bubbles, etc.)Nope, can't change that.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 15, 2019, 04:43:03 am
because it's a problem of TWBT.Could you fix the set for the adventurer mode? It displays nonsensical tiles on map (stairs where in the middle of forest, random coffins/armored guard sprites in place of far-away slopes or walls, thought bubbles, etc.)Nope, can't change that.
Post by: Meph on August 15, 2019, 06:28:26 am
Post by: darkhog on August 15, 2019, 07:26:14 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on August 15, 2019, 09:25:45 am
Yes, sorry. I didn't mean "No, I can't, because I don't want to", but "No, I can't because it's not possible". ;)just wanted to clarify that before anyone gets confused and/or angry :D
Meph, can you help me get this modded into the game?
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174437.0
i can't help but watch different gondolas lately and this one sparked the idea: https://pr0gramm.com/new/1608831
Post by: n1buz on August 18, 2019, 02:34:50 pm
So I've recently started playing DF and I'm using your tile set but I've ran into this issue where my floor tiles seem to be something else. When I click on them all I see is wooden floor tile and I've tried destroying and putting them back but in that space they always look weird like that.
Do you have any idea why this is? Thanks
Post by: Novaris on August 19, 2019, 08:48:06 am
Post by: knainoa on August 21, 2019, 12:54:17 am
https://imgur.com/a/zgmruOq
So I've recently started playing DF and I'm using your tile set but I've ran into this issue where my floor tiles seem to be something else. When I click on them all I see is wooden floor tile and I've tried destroying and putting them back but in that space they always look weird like that.
Do you have any idea why this is? Thanks
That's a pretty common graphic bug, usually happens with built or smoothed floors next to either farms or bridges. Happens to me all the time, if you move your viewscreen around the graphic tiles will move with it. Alternatively, there could be some loose vegetation on your floor.
Post by: Elarys on September 01, 2019, 02:01:25 am
Already have DFHack/TWBT installed and working.
I guess the easiest way is to configure this on a windows box, copy the folders over my Mac and then replace the binaries/libraries with the native versions and launch `dfhack`?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 01, 2019, 03:46:49 am
Post by: Elarys on September 01, 2019, 04:44:59 am
Just need to work out what Meph modified exactly in the base df folder with a few diff's maybe
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 02, 2019, 04:07:38 am
i guess it's due to mutiple contradicting overrides due to the other files from the LNP.
Post by: Meph on September 02, 2019, 07:46:11 am
when only copying in his textures and overrides, i had strange stuff. like kaolinite was depicted as red statues etc.Nope, that's because the tile numbers in the raws change as well.
i guess it's due to mutiple contradicting overrides due to the other files from the LNP.
I simplified my planned instructions. But yes, no copying of binaries between systems. Copy anything non base application-related etc....Have a look at the raw-only version. That way you know which files you need.
Just need to work out what Meph modified exactly in the base df folder with a few diff's maybe
@Meph will you make a new release once the latest DF Revised is ready?Maybe? ^^ Is it ready?
So I have to take it up with TWBT developer then? Sure, where can I contact him or her?That would be Mifki. Write him a PM.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 02, 2019, 10:26:18 am
but i also had it when i had a "vanilla" linux-LNP and only copied in that version of your pack and created a new world.when only copying in his textures and overrides, i had strange stuff. like kaolinite was depicted as red statues etc.Nope, that's because the tile numbers in the raws change as well.
i guess it's due to mutiple contradicting overrides due to the other files from the LNP.
i gave it up completely, because it wasn't worth the grey hair.
Post by: Meph on September 02, 2019, 07:30:02 pm
Download: Meph Tileset V5.2 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
Hey everyone,
I wanted to do some more modding, with lots to come in future. As a first example, here some optional training workshops made for this tileset: 20 workshops that slowly train any skill you like. I made a proper mod-release thread here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174577.msg8019473#msg8019473), so that people without the tileset can use them, but of course the style is intended to fit into the Meph set. As always, they are optional just like the rest of the modded tileset content and can be disabled with a click on the "decorational workshops" button in the GUI. (Needs a new worldgen)
The workshops are sorted into three categories: Guilds to train labors, requiring two chairs and two tables to be build; Libraries to train social skills, requiring two quires and two bookcases to be build; and Training Rooms for military skills, requiring two armorstands and two weaponracks.
To train a skill, simply run any of the reactions, they do not cost any reagents. They give 30xp every time, which means that to go from Dabbling to Novice, a dwarf would have to repeat it 17 times. To get to Talented, 150 times. To get to Legendary+5, just a meager 967 times.
(https://i.imgur.com/bMaBXxg.png)
Post by: Meph on September 03, 2019, 12:28:49 am
(https://i.imgur.com/eqswp9S.png)
I'd love to do some African tribal warfare (maasai, zulu); South American (Inca, Maya, Atztec), Arabic (Ottoman, Sultans of Arabia) and Roman/Greek. Maybe Polynesian (cool Sword-fish swords :D ), or Maori... or North American Natives.
And then come up with a good naming scheme for 8-10 civs, without using RL locations OR using stupid racial stereotypes. ^^
Post by: Splint on September 03, 2019, 12:43:26 am
Seems like a neat idea though.
Post by: Thundercraft on September 03, 2019, 06:04:05 am
What about some foreign weapons? I always wanted to add a few RL cultures to DF, but using actual RL location/country names feels out of place. So instead of Japanese, Viking, Germanic and Egyptian, how about...
Looks good, except... I'd prefer to see one or two more 2H spear-like weapons for Men of the North (or West).
Also, I find rare or unusual weapons to be particularly interesting, such as the Goedendag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1bszeudJCE) or "spear club". That weapon is merely a hefty wood staff with a very pointy, but small, metal spear tip. "Good day sir... I said good day sir!" [WHAM!] [STAB!]
@Meph will you make a new release once the latest DF Revised is ready?Maybe? ^^ Is it ready?
Checking the Revised topic OP (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.msg7290850#msg7290850), it seems it hasn't officially been updated since July 31. However, as has been pointed out several times, the version of Revised currently used by Meph Tileset is much older than what is officially available. And Taffer, himself, posted here that quote, "current release is IMO a (comparably) good time to update things." So, technically, it's been ready for a while now.
Unofficially, Darkond2100 has already merged the updated Revised with your Meph Tileset. There were some errors that cropped up. However, these error messages mostly had to do with language issues, word token typos (e.g., should have used TAUPE_GRAY instead of TAUPE_GREY) or missing punctuation in a few places. (See page 26 of the Revised topic (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.375).)
Since then, Darkond2100 has taken another stab at trying to fix these errors. This is the result:
DFFD - File: MephFortress ReRevised (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14395)
I don't know how old your Revised option is, but my current release is IMO a (comparably) good time to update things. I'm mostly done with the descriptions and I'm avoiding editing the comments, so the diff between this version and whatever my next version is should be comparably small.Oh yeah, that's something I could do. :) Thanks for the heads up.Revised was requested a couple of times and Taffer was kind enough to allow me to put it in. As splint said, you can toggle it on in the launcher. It's not the most up to date version of Revised, since I haven't touched that part for a while.Hey, it's been a while since the last update on this set. Any requests by now, ideas for the future, bugs? (apart from the adv mode stuff that I couldn't fix)Since you're asking for requests... Would you consider updating the Revised (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.0) portion of your package to the latest version (v2.1.0)? Please? The Revised thread still indicates that the mod's status is on "hiatus", so it should not get a new update any time soon.
Post by: Superdorf on September 03, 2019, 08:23:55 am
I guess you could fluff it as "these cultures arrived on this particular DF continent from their correspondent corners of the globe"? "Boat" is a word in the dwarven-human-elfin-goblin languages, after all, despite the utter lack of boats in modern-day DF worlds...
Post by: Meph on September 03, 2019, 08:53:53 am
Only trouble I have with that system of weapon-naming... you're totally gonna get "Men of the North" in southern corners of the world, and vice versa.Depends if I add 4 human civs, or if I just add them through workshops. ^^
I guess you could fluff it as "these cultures arrived on this particular DF continent from their correspondent corners of the globe"? "Boat" is a word in the dwarven-human-elfin-goblin languages, after all, despite the utter lack of boats in modern-day DF worlds...
-awesome sauce-Thanks so much for that. Seems I should have been paying more attention. I'm downloading the updated Revised now, will have a look at everything. :)
Post by: Bumber on September 03, 2019, 09:26:13 am
What about some foreign weapons? I always wanted to add a few RL cultures to DF, but using actual RL location/country names feels out of place. So instead of Japanese, Viking, Germanic and Egyptian, how about...
What are Throwing Gloves? Are they gloves that throw stuff, or are they gloves that get thrown at people? ???
Post by: Darkond2100 on September 03, 2019, 09:42:41 am
Ranged weapons require a weapon + ammo. Throwing knives aren't systematically implemented, nor are throwing spears.What about some foreign weapons? I always wanted to add a few RL cultures to DF, but using actual RL location/country names feels out of place. So instead of Japanese, Viking, Germanic and Egyptian, how about...
What are Throwing Gloves? Are they gloves that throw stuff, or are they gloves that get thrown at people? ???
Post by: Meph on September 03, 2019, 09:49:00 am
I only have the option to make a "throwing tool" of sorts, like spear + atlatl. Or black ninja gloves that people wear when they throw shuriken around. :D The alternative would be "shuriken (weapon) + shuriken (ammo)" which is a bit confusing at times.
Post by: zennyrpg on September 03, 2019, 10:21:19 pm
edit: double checked and the area affected is "calm" and "wilderness"
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 04, 2019, 06:17:04 am
Correct.were throwing weapons suggested to toady?
I only have the option to make a "throwing tool" of sorts, like spear + atlatl. Or black ninja gloves that people wear when they throw shuriken around. :D The alternative would be "shuriken (weapon) + shuriken (ammo)" which is a bit confusing at times.
it would be weird to pick up shuriken in adv mode ad not being able to throw them.
Post by: LeoCean on September 04, 2019, 09:21:25 am
New weapons look good as well.
Post by: Bumber on September 04, 2019, 10:42:07 am
were throwing weapons suggested to toady?
it would be weird to pick up shuriken in adv mode ad not being able to throw them.
Adventurers can [t]hrow anything in their inventory. Fort dwarves only do so during a tantrum.
Post by: Meph on September 04, 2019, 10:46:09 am
Training rooms look nice, the whole August 3rd update instead of September threw me off :o. But aren't these workshops basically the "Skill Practice Workshops" from dwarf fortress cheats? This is definitely better with graphics and probably encompasses much more though. Looking forward to using it, since it looks cool.Apparently I forgot which month it was. ^^
New weapons look good as well.
Is there a mod like this already, with training reactions for everything? I did everything from scratch, even though I have made similar systems in Masterwork previously. Initially they had three reactions (slow/free, tool/medium, coin/fast) but Toady One changed how XP works at some point between updates. :/
Post by: LeoCean on September 04, 2019, 09:16:11 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm not too sure how it works though, haven't used it. (well enough to know it works effectively~ the reaction works~) I'm guessing it just works in the way that you use the workshop and when the reaction is completed the xp goes to the skill the workshop is set to increase, unknown how much xp would be granted.
Seems this should work as well.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Maybe it'd be better to make this a sort of druid magic by adding a reaction like this,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Of course with plant materials instead, or with water or lava buckets, water bucket goes in gets emptied and comes out as a bucket(but then again it uses the bucket in the reaction and the product should be a set bucket type(not sure of this) so could possibly abused to get free resources of that type if you don't have it(from smelting bucket?) ).
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Post by: Meph on September 05, 2019, 02:49:26 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 05, 2019, 04:49:29 am
i only played adv mode a few times... it's too complicated for me, but of course now i remember...were throwing weapons suggested to toady?
it would be weird to pick up shuriken in adv mode ad not being able to throw them.
Adventurers can [t]hrow anything in their inventory. Fort dwarves only do so during a tantrum.
that fire FB in that one ruined dwarven fort, which i "threw" water on, turning it into steam.
also maybe the only thing that didn't work was putting your 44.12 barebones edition onto a 44.09 LNP...
Post by: OmeleteDuFroMago on September 06, 2019, 03:12:13 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 06, 2019, 06:02:12 am
Hey, this might be a dumb question but i gonna ask anyway i'm playing DF for quite awhile and i found your tileset recently and i love it is there anyway to disable the DFhack and play the game vanilla as possible? i only want the graphics nothing morethen just download the vanilla game and the meph barebones pack.
that way you haven't got any of the precious changes, because to use the overrides, you need to have dfhack installed.
if you use a LNP, it will include dfhack and some other changes.
Post by: Meph on September 06, 2019, 06:05:10 am
Just download the tileset, open the launcher, disable the new workshops, start a new game. Dfhack doesn't change anything in the game, it's still vanilla df.
Post by: OmeleteDuFroMago on September 06, 2019, 07:57:46 pm
You need dfhack for the graphics. No way to have the tileset without it.
Just download the tileset, open the launcher, disable the new workshops, start a new game. Dfhack doesn't change anything in the game, it's still vanilla df.
thanks i really got confused with all that options and stuff i tought it was different from the vanilla game
Post by: Meph on September 07, 2019, 12:32:09 pm
Download: Meph Tileset V5.3 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
(https://i.imgur.com/OjAvIiv.png)
This little addition allows your fort to get caravans, migrants and pets from the other races: Humans, Elves, Goblins and Kobolds.
It adds four workshops, the Liaison's offices, that accept stacks of gold coins in exchange for their services. You can spawn a caravan, if the civ has access to your site; you can hire a single male or female migrant of a race; or you can buy a single male or female pet: Grizzly bears; Unicorns; Beak dogs; Giant Cave Spiders.
I made a proper mod-release thread here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174601.0), so that people without the tileset can use them, but of course the style is intended to fit into the Meph set. As always, they are optional just like the rest of the modded tileset content and can be disabled with a click on the "decorational workshops" button in the GUI. (Needs a new worldgen)
I guess I should start splitting my little mod-modules from the tileset and make two releases... this here is getting bigger and bigger and I don't know if people that just want a tileset want all those additions.
PS: Dfhack and TWBT were updated to the newest version for this release.
Post by: NeroPrime on September 07, 2019, 03:04:12 pm
I just downloaded the new v5.3 release and am getting this error at launch:
(https://i.imgur.com/TCbYmSB.png)
All I did was unzip the files to a folder.
Am I missing something?
Post by: Meph on September 07, 2019, 04:13:44 pm
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All I did was unzip the files to a folder.Was it a new folder? Or did you unzip it over an older version?
Post by: Meph on September 07, 2019, 06:23:12 pm
Download: Meph Tileset V5.3 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
(https://i.imgur.com/cGQOxN3.png)
This little addition allows your fort to get caravans, migrants and pets from the other races: Humans, Elves, Goblins and Kobolds.
It adds four workshops, the Liaison's offices, that accept stacks of gold coins in exchange for their services. You can spawn a caravan, if the civ has access to your site; you can hire a single male or female migrant of a race; or you can buy a single male or female pet: Grizzly bears; Unicorns; Beak dogs; Giant Cave Spiders.
The fifth workshop allows you to hire male or female migrants from any animal men race. That's almost 200 races to pick from! Have fun with that. :D
I made a proper mod-release thread here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174601.0), so that people without the tileset can use them, but of course the style is intended to fit into the Meph set. As always, they are optional just like the rest of the modded tileset content and can be disabled with a click on the "decorational workshops" button in the GUI. (Needs a new worldgen)
I guess I should start splitting my little mod-modules from the tileset and make two releases... this here is getting bigger and bigger and I don't know if people that just want a tileset want all those additions.
PS: Dfhack and TWBT were updated to the newest version for this release.
PPS: Re-upload because I had a wrong TWBT file in a sub-folder.
Post by: Splint on September 07, 2019, 06:59:02 pm
I still stand by my request in regards to the shingles per the fort that's now three releases out of date. Doing the rooftops of the houses is a painfully tedious process with a slight risk of crashes if done too quickly with surfaces even just the size of the depot. 5x5 and 3x3 blocks, as well as 5x1 and 3x1 strips for both N-S and E-W orientations would be handy in that regard, but I understand if it's just not something worth doing.
Post by: Meph on September 07, 2019, 07:23:02 pm
I can probably do one better: Make an inorganic material that looks like roof shingles, so that you can build it like any other floor.
Post by: Splint on September 07, 2019, 07:47:14 pm
This hasn't been a feature of Masterwork df, this is new. ;)
I can probably do one better: Make an inorganic material that looks like roof shingles, so that you can build it like any other floor.
I was referring to I think it was the town portal and the diplomat's office? I forget what they were called. Been a while since Riverrun.
They did more or less the same thing, just not for other races in regards to summoning migrants, and I remember being able to successfully summon a shrew demon named Magnus into that fort as well via the black magic altar.
And having shingles just be a straight constructable would certainly cut out the middle man.
Post by: Meph on September 07, 2019, 07:50:03 pm
I'll add some new floor materials to the list. ;)
Post by: Meph on September 08, 2019, 07:27:06 pm
Spoiler: giant picture, best to right-click and open in new tab (click to show/hide)
So... I kinda had a strange mood and made 512 new furniture sprites. 32 variations for most rock furniture; 256 variations of coffins.
(https://i.imgur.com/9LYSnA5.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/3M5kADQ.png)
Post by: Splint on September 08, 2019, 08:36:05 pm
Post by: Meph on September 09, 2019, 06:36:27 pm
Post by: Meph on September 10, 2019, 07:54:43 am
Download: Meph Tileset V5.4 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
This update adds three little changes.
- Dwarf Therapist updated.
- Slightly changed sprites for the modded workshops.
- 256(!) new sprites for small variants in rock furniture and wooden beds.
- 256(!) new sprites for small variants of rock coffins. (Original coffin sprite by Vordak)
Spoiler: Large ingame screenshot (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/1kngNJo.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/9LYSnA5.png)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 10, 2019, 11:56:10 am
maybe i'll start up the 44.12 again.
your set is more consistent than those in the LNP, which hagve lots of substitute graphics in the wrong size that get resized and look nasty.
Post by: Weljamir on September 10, 2019, 02:39:59 pm
Post by: Meph on September 11, 2019, 05:20:14 pm
(https://i.redd.it/uit5018x41m31.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/wABxOlB.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/Z6igD6s.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/1iH0KAP.gif)
Post by: Petrolsky on September 12, 2019, 07:55:23 am
On another topic: is there an option to deactivate these many, many different dog-races? They look great and all, but its easier to manage 1 dog race instead of 30 or so. :)
Post by: Meph on September 12, 2019, 08:05:12 am
Looks great, who are these spooky fast moving ppl? Part of the warlock/necromancer addition? :)Yeah, it's from my warlock test fort.
On another topic: is there an option to deactivate these many, many different dog-races? They look great and all, but its easier to manage 1 dog race instead of 30 or so. :)
If you want to get rid of the dogs, for now it would be easiest to just delete raw/objects/creature_db_dogs.txt.
Post by: vettlingr on September 12, 2019, 09:10:24 am
Then again, I am a sucker for simplicity
Post by: Meph on September 12, 2019, 09:55:08 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 12, 2019, 10:35:49 am
Post by: Meph on September 12, 2019, 10:42:02 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 12, 2019, 10:46:41 am
They are purely ornamental. They don't do anything cool. Besides looking cool. 8)love them though :)
Post by: Splint on September 12, 2019, 10:47:08 am
They are purely ornamental. They don't do anything cool. Besides looking cool. 8)
As if that's not reason enough to have them. I made good use of the fireplace's granpappy in Riverrun, as I'm sure you recall. Fireplaces for everyone!
Post by: Warthog32332 on September 12, 2019, 11:00:44 pm
Post by: Meph on September 13, 2019, 05:14:46 am
Just downloaded the tileset and flipping through the workshops noticed a few new things I wasn't familiar with, for one, the Training section, I assume that that's essentially room prefabs I can place with the idea of training particular skills correct? The other thing I genuinely didnt have any idea about was the Migration section, was having liaisons to build offices for already in the game and I was just being silly or?That's all new; some for the workshops that make different furniture. I went overboard with the tiny mods I put in at some point. You can disable them in the launcher though, with the button "decorational buildings"
Post by: IlFedaykin on September 13, 2019, 05:38:00 am
Post by: Warthog32332 on September 13, 2019, 10:30:58 am
Just downloaded the tileset and flipping through the workshops noticed a few new things I wasn't familiar with, for one, the Training section, I assume that that's essentially room prefabs I can place with the idea of training particular skills correct? The other thing I genuinely didnt have any idea about was the Migration section, was having liaisons to build offices for already in the game and I was just being silly or?That's all new; some for the workshops that make different furniture. I went overboard with the tiny mods I put in at some point. You can disable them in the launcher though, with the button "decorational buildings"
Alright so the Migration liaisons is also just cosmetic or?
Post by: Meph on September 13, 2019, 10:46:05 am
Post by: Meph on September 13, 2019, 03:03:32 pm
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Post by: Fae on September 13, 2019, 09:19:18 pm
Honestly, I didn't even realize I wanted more variety with the leaves until now. Sounds like a great idea to me. One of my favorite editions as of recent has to be when you added all those minor variations to the bookcases, beds, tables, exc. Really adds so much not having everything look exactly the same.
Post by: BelligerentlyLiterate on September 14, 2019, 06:29:25 pm
Post by: FantasticDorf on September 15, 2019, 04:22:10 am
(http://puu.sh/Ehq71/db5dcae1e6.png)
Post by: Auxxiliary on September 16, 2019, 10:58:12 pm
Very new Im sorry. I didnt know if i should ask PeridexisErrant instead
Thanks in advance
Post by: VictorAB on September 17, 2019, 05:15:57 am
Ran into a tiny problem with the DFHack supplied, but went to the thread and reported my issue...
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 17, 2019, 06:24:36 am
I searched the forums and didnt find an answer but when i load your tileset (Meph+Vordak lite 32x) in the Lazy Newb Pack and start up the game the main menu is showing the unreadable tiles and not text. Do i need to go to Customize tab on graphics and switch the font?make sure to have dfhack and twbt enabled - otherwise those features won't work.
Very new Im sorry. I didnt know if i should ask PeridexisErrant instead
Thanks in advance
Post by: Auxxiliary on September 17, 2019, 09:13:44 am
I found out my DFhack isnt opening when i start up the game anymore...it is enabled so not sure why that is.I searched the forums and didnt find an answer but when i load your tileset (Meph+Vordak lite 32x) in the Lazy Newb Pack and start up the game the main menu is showing the unreadable tiles and not text. Do i need to go to Customize tab on graphics and switch the font?make sure to have dfhack and twbt enabled - otherwise those features won't work.
Very new Im sorry. I didnt know if i should ask PeridexisErrant instead
Thanks in advance
Edit: there is a known problem with the newest version of LazyNewbPack that it isnt launching dfhack.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on September 17, 2019, 09:28:27 am
yes, i read it too.I found out my DFhack isnt opening when i start up the game anymore...it is enabled so not sure why that is.I searched the forums and didnt find an answer but when i load your tileset (Meph+Vordak lite 32x) in the Lazy Newb Pack and start up the game the main menu is showing the unreadable tiles and not text. Do i need to go to Customize tab on graphics and switch the font?make sure to have dfhack and twbt enabled - otherwise those features won't work.
Very new Im sorry. I didnt know if i should ask PeridexisErrant instead
Thanks in advance
Edit: there is a known problem with the newest version of LazyNewbPack that it isnt launching dfhack.
Post by: ZayZe on September 20, 2019, 02:29:14 pm
Such a god. :)
Seriously. Thank you!
Post by: Meph on September 20, 2019, 04:45:47 pm
So, bit of a noob question, but I've been playing without a launcher for a while (I'm on a Mac, and the LNP hasn't been updated for 44.12 yet). How would I map all of these assets to my game using just the folders? I've already successfully unarchived all the files, but I can't figure out where to put them in the game folders, or what I have to do to init.txt to get them to appear. Any help would be appreciated.Well, in theory you just unpack it, overwrite all. What exactly are you trying to do? Install the tileset on Mac, on a vanilla DF version?
Are brown 4 way cross sections supposed to also be brown? I've been having a little bit of a problem with them given that the smoothened/constructed wall border is typically grey as standard.Thanks for the report, fixed. :)
(http://puu.sh/Ehq71/db5dcae1e6.png)
I searched the forums and didnt find an answer but when i load your tileset (Meph+Vordak lite 32x) in the Lazy Newb Pack and start up the game the main menu is showing the unreadable tiles and not text. Do i need to go to Customize tab on graphics and switch the font?That means your TWBT/dfhack isn't on. Better ask PeridexisErrant, I'm not doing the LNP.
Very new Im sorry. I didnt know if i should ask PeridexisErrant instead
Thanks in advance
Been trying a lot of tilesets for DF, and i have to admit, yours is the best looking.Thank you. What exactly was the issue?
Ran into a tiny problem with the DFHack supplied, but went to the thread and reported my issue...
My god meph...Thank you. Guess you just found out about this set? ;)
Such a god. :)
Seriously. Thank you!
Post by: darkhog on September 20, 2019, 07:56:49 pm
//edit: I've realized it may be understood incorrectly, so stuff like DFHack, etc. is okay, just don't want any craftable items/workshops/other raw edits that aren't in vanilla.
Post by: Meph on September 21, 2019, 06:40:42 am
Post by: darkhog on September 26, 2019, 07:14:11 am
Post by: Meph on September 26, 2019, 07:46:01 am
Post by: Sinaed on September 27, 2019, 09:19:00 am
Post by: Meph on September 27, 2019, 12:18:37 pm
Post by: Sinaed on September 27, 2019, 06:31:51 pm
Post by: darkhog on September 27, 2019, 08:20:47 pm
Post by: darkhog on October 03, 2019, 07:16:03 am
Post by: knainoa on October 03, 2019, 04:52:03 pm
Post by: Hylum on October 04, 2019, 05:14:58 pm
Post by: CohentheBarbarian on October 08, 2019, 04:33:51 am
Post by: Meph on October 08, 2019, 06:32:35 am
Meph, any plans to make your horror mods compatable with your tileset? I just discovered it and don't want to play without it.Horror mods? You mean the Warlocks? Yeah, they are all with 32x32 sprites, fully integrated. :)
Meph buddy awesome as always just playing around with your latest release!Thank you :)
Haven't been seeing bed variants? Downloaded from the first page and all my wooden beds come out the same. Am I missing something?Wooden bed variants should work, there shouldn't be any issues with those. Strange. I did test that ingame, had no problems.
Is there a way to make DF cursor "stick" to mouse cursor in designation mode? Currently it does but only when I enable "rectangle mode" (alt+m). And yes, I have mousequery track enabled.No to my knowledge, but if there is one, you will probably find it in the dfhack thread. :)
Post by: CohentheBarbarian on October 08, 2019, 03:21:38 pm
Meph, any plans to make your horror mods compatable with your tileset? I just discovered it and don't want to play without it.Horror mods? You mean the Warlocks? Yeah, they are all with 32x32 sprites, fully integrated. :)
No the ones with predators, Gray's, pirates and clowns
Post by: knainoa on October 08, 2019, 07:06:18 pm
Haven't been seeing bed variants? Downloaded from the first page and all my wooden beds come out the same. Am I missing something?Wooden bed variants should work, there shouldn't be any issues with those. Strange. I did test that ingame, had no problems.
yeah i don't know whats up, i'm not seeing bed variants and they seem to be using the old sprite regardless.
Post by: Proudbucket on October 08, 2019, 07:19:48 pm
You got an awesome tileset. I started playing DF two weeks ago and I got in love with those beautiful tiles and I'm eagerly awaiting for the steam version. The only thing that I (as a linux user) miss is an updated version of your pack :'(. The linux lazy pack has a tileset that is outdated (V3.0).https://github.com/jecowa/Meph (https://github.com/jecowa/Meph)
Any chance we could get an updated version?
Jecowa, the guy that modified your pack, has not been active since June and I have failed miserably while trying to make an updated version.
Post by: Meph on October 09, 2019, 12:06:33 am
That's certainly not one of my mods...Meph, any plans to make your horror mods compatable with your tileset? I just discovered it and don't want to play without it.Horror mods? You mean the Warlocks? Yeah, they are all with 32x32 sprites, fully integrated. :)
No the ones with predators, Gray's, pirates and clowns
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yeah i don't know whats up, i'm not seeing bed variants and they seem to be using the old sprite regardless.I'll have another look.
Hey Meph!I dont' have a linux machine, but I can update the raw only version for you to port yourself. In theory the files should be the same, you just need to setup DF, dfhack and twbt.
You got an awesome tileset. I started playing DF two weeks ago and I got in love with those beautiful tiles and I'm eagerly awaiting for the steam version. The only thing that I (as a linux user) miss is an updated version of your pack :'(. The linux lazy pack has a tileset that is outdated (V3.0).https://github.com/jecowa/Meph (https://github.com/jecowa/Meph)
Any chance we could get an updated version?
Jecowa, the guy that modified your pack, has not been active since June and I have failed miserably while trying to make an updated version.
Post by: Splint on October 09, 2019, 12:15:34 am
That's certainly not one of my mods...Meph, any plans to make your horror mods compatable with your tileset? I just discovered it and don't want to play without it.Horror mods? You mean the Warlocks? Yeah, they are all with 32x32 sprites, fully integrated. :)
No the ones with predators, Gray's, pirates and clowns
That's ZM5's stuff. They were not designed with graphics packs in mind and conflicts super hard with the Meph Tileset. The sheer volume and variety are such that I still haven't gotten around to my commitment to make some tokens for them, there's just that much stuff.
They are fun mods though.
Post by: Meph on October 09, 2019, 12:20:00 am
Post by: Splint on October 09, 2019, 12:26:42 am
Considering most of his creature packs seem to be crossovers, I think it wouldn't be too hard to rip sprites from the original games... Doom, Diablo, etc, should have reasonably fitting sprites.
Some of them are, but a good chunk aren't - What Lurks Below, Lands of Duality, and a serious chunk of Zombies ate my Dwarves and Assorted Creatures are all original content of ZM's own devising or else drawn from non-video game sources, and Dwarfest Dungeon doesn't have easily usable sprites (being based in Darkest Dungeon and all.) The current Main pack that has yet to be split up also contains crap from predominantly 3D games on top of a mountain of other stuff that are mixed in.
This is compounded by a great many of his creations are multi-caste creatures with those castes having a serious differences in appearance and function.
But at the end of the day, the main obstacle is sheer volume. I've piddled around with making them for his What Lurks Below pack and even that, being one of the smaller packs he made, feels a bit overwhelming.
Post by: Meph on October 09, 2019, 12:38:40 am
Post by: Splint on October 09, 2019, 12:39:37 am
Best to play it with ascii then.
It honestly is best to use that, or a similar "low res" low intensity tileset, with ZM's stuff.
Post by: CohentheBarbarian on October 09, 2019, 03:50:08 am
Best to play it with ascii then.
It honestly is best to use that, or a similar "low res" low intensity tileset, with ZM's stuff.
ASCII then it shall be. Thanks for the reply guys :)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on October 09, 2019, 03:13:47 pm
i use the linux LNP, mostly because that way i dont have to setup DF, DFHack and twbt.That's certainly not one of my mods...Meph, any plans to make your horror mods compatable with your tileset? I just discovered it and don't want to play without it.Horror mods? You mean the Warlocks? Yeah, they are all with 32x32 sprites, fully integrated. :)
No the ones with predators, Gray's, pirates and clownsQuoteyeah i don't know whats up, i'm not seeing bed variants and they seem to be using the old sprite regardless.I'll have another look.Hey Meph!I dont' have a linux machine, but I can update the raw only version for you to port yourself. In theory the files should be the same, you just need to setup DF, dfhack and twbt.
You got an awesome tileset. I started playing DF two weeks ago and I got in love with those beautiful tiles and I'm eagerly awaiting for the steam version. The only thing that I (as a linux user) miss is an updated version of your pack :'(. The linux lazy pack has a tileset that is outdated (V3.0).https://github.com/jecowa/Meph (https://github.com/jecowa/Meph)
Any chance we could get an updated version?
Jecowa, the guy that modified your pack, has not been active since June and I have failed miserably while trying to make an updated version.
just copying in your whole barebones pack totally ruined it (obviously duplicate raw entries that way) so i frowned and went back to using the outdated version.
Post by: Proudbucket on October 09, 2019, 11:00:10 pm
I dont' have a linux machine, but I can update the raw only version for you to port yourself. In theory the files should be the same, you just need to setup DF, dfhack and twbt.That would be amazing... so far my crude attempts to replace the files in the "data" and "raw" folders have been unsuccessful.
The lazy pack already installed dfhack and twbt.
Ramps are still not displayed and some items have wrong tiles
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fleeting Frames on October 10, 2019, 09:12:33 am
Post by: Meph on October 11, 2019, 06:41:45 am
It's essentially a very blocky, texture-like approach to ores, gems and rocks.
(https://i.imgur.com/CcQNFo8.png)
Post by: vettlingr on October 11, 2019, 11:35:27 am
Post by: Fae on October 11, 2019, 11:52:29 am
Post by: Rekov on October 11, 2019, 02:33:19 pm
Post by: Meph on October 12, 2019, 06:17:40 am
Post by: Meph on October 12, 2019, 06:31:20 am
It also helps to distinguish the walls from floors, and makes it easier to judge number of tiles when designating mining zones.
If I were to use a style like that, I'd make unique sprites for all materials. :) Except the 113 gems, that would be overkill.
Post by: knainoa on October 12, 2019, 02:35:11 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on October 14, 2019, 03:37:10 am
Gotta say I'm a fan of the textures that blend, makes it a little less minecraftyi also prefer them blending with eachother.
also minecraft looks less like the screenshot than you think. the textures have improved through the years.
Post by: Fleshbits on October 16, 2019, 09:15:36 am
If I enable TWBT I just randomly crash every 10 minutes.
I am on Windows 10 64 bit wit an i7 and a Gforce 1070
Is this, therefore, just ununasable?
Post by: LadyCookie on October 16, 2019, 09:17:34 am
But I have only a small question: I like to use several mods, and I know not everyone has the time to make cross-compatibility with Meph Tileset. But technically, this is just a tileset, so I imagine it should only need the override.txt, the tilesets for them and the creature graphics.
I was tinkering with the Raws and noticed that the only thing I wanted to keep is the new workshops for furniture and stuff, but it also changes several other files. I'm not a total beginner to raw editting, but I wanted to ask:
If I use only the override, tilesets and creature graphics (plus init.txt and d_init.txt), add the new workshop reactions to the entities, and keep everything else vanilla, is there some big issue to be aware of?
It seems like some of the files simply have revisions and tile changes, but since the latter are overwritten by the graphics, it shouldn't be a problem to keep them vanilla.
Post by: Fleeting Frames on October 16, 2019, 11:44:57 pm
It's more doable* now with using material filter overrides though; beforehand if you set all your stone types to same tile you would be only able to override them into one different tile. Not so now.
However, there's slight extra computation cost to using filters and overriding at all and of course the personal time cost of rewriting, so if there's no need shouldn't. Though you obviously do have need (I assume you've looked at mod merging utilities already, but if you haven't might be worth trying).
*Meph would have to say whether its completely doable, though - there's some stuff overrides don't yet work for, such as vermin, so there's motivation to stick all vermin tiles in main tilesheet and use overrides for everything else.
Post by: LadyCookie on October 17, 2019, 10:17:59 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on October 18, 2019, 03:26:56 am
I downloaded this and unless I use TWBT everything is jumbled garbage.using multilevel rendering makes the game more likely to crash. set it to 0 and you'll be fine.
If I enable TWBT I just randomly crash every 10 minutes.
I am on Windows 10 64 bit wit an i7 and a Gforce 1070
Is this, therefore, just ununasable?
this pack relies on TWBT so of course it doesn't work properly without TWBT.
Post by: knainoa on October 18, 2019, 05:54:49 pm
Post by: Meph on October 23, 2019, 06:58:30 am
The beds I just tested, turned out the lines in the override file had to be placed a tiny bit higher to make it work. :D
I made another test with vettlingr-style inorganics, but somehow I don't feel like it fits that well...
(https://i.imgur.com/Asa0ay8.png)
Post by: Hommit on October 23, 2019, 08:46:18 am
Post by: knainoa on October 24, 2019, 07:08:44 pm
Post by: [5th]Lupin on October 28, 2019, 05:21:14 pm
Just my opinion.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on October 29, 2019, 03:42:31 am
Can't say I'm a fan of the borders. They're a bit jarring and.. unimmersive? Instead of looking at a nice landscape it becomes more like you're just looking at blocks in a game.same here.
Just my opinion.
Post by: Meph on October 29, 2019, 08:35:43 am
Post by: Fleshbits on November 04, 2019, 09:05:07 am
Today, it seems to have completely bugged out. I can't get my clothes maker to make yarn clothes despite tons of wool cloth being right next to him. Same with the bone bolts. Tons of bones, but he cancels the job saying there are none. Same with totems. Tons of skulls, but he cancels the job saying there are none.
Posted on the main forums to complain.
Of course people are coming back and blaming the mods.
main post:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174980.0
savegame:
http://dffd.bay12games.com/submit.php?action=edit&eid=14598
Is there a way I can run this tileset in the original LNP, without all the mods this launcher puts in?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 05, 2019, 08:26:52 am
also check the profile of the workshop if it limits the user
Post by: whitehorn799 on November 05, 2019, 11:00:31 pm
I encountered something strange. My marble furniture is blue. I don't understand why that is or how I can fix it. Does anyone know? I'm using the latest LNP. Pic: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x0gman0jmbjvxac/AACHEOYcHlQAwZTcJd_e2jxBa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x0gman0jmbjvxac/AACHEOYcHlQAwZTcJd_e2jxBa?dl=0)
Post by: AzyWng on November 07, 2019, 02:21:39 pm
I'm gonna try to test to see if it's an actual significant issue.
EDIT: For my first time playing, how should I configure stuff like Civilizations and Invaders? I'm not really sure what options to choose or whatnot.
DOUBLE EDIT: Turns out that I'd put a folder or two of modded Dwarf Fortress games and the Meph's Tileset launcher was detecting those, but since those weren't intended for use with Meph's Tileset, errors were showing up.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 08, 2019, 07:44:34 pm
I seem to be getting some message about how the Corrosion mod isn't installed, but besides that, the game seems to run like normal?that's the reason why i never use a world from another version, but always have them create their own worlds.
I'm gonna try to test to see if it's an actual significant issue.
EDIT: For my first time playing, how should I configure stuff like Civilizations and Invaders? I'm not really sure what options to choose or whatnot.
DOUBLE EDIT: Turns out that I'd put a folder or two of modded Dwarf Fortress games and the Meph's Tileset launcher was detecting those, but since those weren't intended for use with Meph's Tileset, errors were showing up.
Post by: Fleshbits on November 11, 2019, 11:16:57 am
are you sure you haven't linked the workshop to a stockpile or linked the stock pile to only give to somewhere else?
also check the profile of the workshop if it limits the user
Yes I am sure.
Had some people inspect the saves and they say the mods bugged the game.
All my cloths were 6000/10000 or some such so they wouldn't be recognized.
Post by: Fleshbits on November 11, 2019, 11:22:14 am
Orthoclase is not showing up in my masons or crafts workshops, despite having a stockpile full of it feeding both.
I had installed the graphics raw into the lazy newb pack, by dropping the contents of the zip into the pack's graphics folder.
Screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/8ojzZYf
Entire Game Folder:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iqQi8qQfcJlwD9lwDz4jPDas_wLgom5F
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 12, 2019, 04:57:09 am
are you sure you haven't linked the workshop to a stockpile or linked the stock pile to only give to somewhere else?
also check the profile of the workshop if it limits the user
Yes I am sure.
Had some people inspect the saves and they say the mods bugged the game.
All my cloths were 6000/10000 or some such so they wouldn't be recognized.
i still haven't figured out how that using of only a fraction of an item works.
Post by: ANickel on November 16, 2019, 11:28:46 pm
I've had this crash twice, both times it occurred after going up a z-level from the ground and being able to see the trunk of a tree. Desert biomes for this both times as well, although it was on different worlds and saves.
Post by: knainoa on November 19, 2019, 12:47:17 am
Bug -
Orthoclase is not showing up in my masons or crafts workshops, despite having a stockpile full of it feeding both.
I had installed the graphics raw into the lazy newb pack, by dropping the contents of the zip into the pack's graphics folder.
Screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/8ojzZYf
Entire Game Folder:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iqQi8qQfcJlwD9lwDz4jPDas_wLgom5F
Enable it in Stone settings. z -> Tab -> find Orthoclase -> Enter
Post by: Rekov on November 23, 2019, 05:29:59 pm
Also I see that there are separate entity files like "entity_good_dwarf.txt" or whatever. Do these overwrite the Dwarves in "entity_default.txt"? Would mods to entity_default or creature_standard even work with the meph tileset?
Post by: ZayZe on November 23, 2019, 10:53:20 pm
Depends on how invasive said mod is.
Post by: TranceProgHouse on November 24, 2019, 07:51:40 pm
The farm tiles shown are not actually in the game and I confirmed this is exclusive to the tileset in the LNP pack by trying another set, in which case they are not there.
I assume this is an override issue, and while I think I can figure it out by finding the appropriate override, I need some guidance on where to start. The tiles appeared after the farm was placed and do not seem to update when I attempt to change the floor or place a wall. I have noticed that an item dropped there, in this case clothing, seems to hide it, but I am not sure if it's will correct after the item is removed.
If anyone can help with this, thanks.
(https://i.imgur.com/M5qqavK.jpg)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on November 25, 2019, 08:18:30 am
it has been known since twbt's first releases.
Post by: TheHanyou on November 25, 2019, 04:20:41 pm
https://prnt.sc/q1z50l
Anyone have a download mirror? Or can someone upload it somewhere for me?
Post by: TranceProgHouse on November 26, 2019, 03:49:13 am
thats a known problem if you don't use the forceredrawall=1.
it has been known since twbt's first releases.
I tried "twbt redraw_all 1" and those tiles did not disappear, but I did notice a slight color change in the overall tile set. I read that the command was to fix animations for other users, but no luck on this issue. Not a big deal and isolated to those particular tiles for now, but any other advice is appreciated.
Post by: TheHanyou on November 26, 2019, 10:56:26 am
The download keeps failing saying the File is incomplete.Tried downloading on another browser & it said the file is corrupt.
https://prnt.sc/q1z50l
Anyone have a download mirror? Or can someone upload it somewhere for me?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on December 04, 2019, 07:22:11 am
oh, i thought it was that those tiles failed to redraw when moving the view around.thats a known problem if you don't use the forceredrawall=1.
it has been known since twbt's first releases.
I tried "twbt redraw_all 1" and those tiles did not disappear, but I did notice a slight color change in the overall tile set. I read that the command was to fix animations for other users, but no luck on this issue. Not a big deal and isolated to those particular tiles for now, but any other advice is appreciated.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i'm out of ideas
Post by: Raylemon on December 06, 2019, 04:57:11 am
When I try to add any other tileset (Vettlingr) to the Meph Launcher, it crashes with this exception : "path" parameter can’t be "null".
Below the full stacktrace (sorry, my OS are in French)
System.ArgumentNullException: La valeur ne peut pas être null.
Nom du paramètre : path
à System.IO.Path.GetFullPathInternal(String path)
à System.IO.Path.GetFullPath(String path)
à System.Drawing.IntSecurity.UnsafeGetFullPath(String fileName)
à System.Drawing.IntSecurity.DemandReadFileIO(String fileName)
à System.Drawing.Bitmap..ctor(String filename)
à MasterworkDwarfFortress.tilesetPreviewer.loadImage(String key, String filePath)
à MasterworkDwarfFortress.tilesetPreviewer.refreshPreview(String key, String filePath)
à MasterworkDwarfFortress.MainForm.cmbTileSets_Hover(Object sender, HoverEventArgs e)
à MasterworkDwarfFortress.hoverComboBox.OnHover(HoverEventArgs e)
à MasterworkDwarfFortress.hoverComboBox.WndProc(Message& msg)
à System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
Maybe I’ve misunderstood how to add any tileset…
I’ve put Vettlingr folder with raw and datas inside TilesetExtras\graphics (alongside Meph 32 folder), and I’ve edited the JSON file like this:
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[
{
"Name":"Meph 32",
"TilesetType":"ASCII",
"ColorScheme":"DEFAULTPLUS"
},
{
"Name":"Vettlingr",
"TilesetType":"ASCII",
"ColorScheme":"DEFAULTPLUS"
}
]Isn’t right ?
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on December 07, 2019, 06:37:45 am
Hi,what a luck it doesnt autotranslate everything though :D that's always funny when using autotranslate on french websites and the chat becomes the cat instead :D
When I try to add any other tileset (Vettlingr) to the Meph Launcher, it crashes with this exception : "path" parameter can’t be "null".
Below the full stacktrace (sorry, my OS are in French)
System.ArgumentNullException: La valeur ne peut pas être null.
Nom du paramètre : path
à System.IO.Path.GetFullPathInternal(String path)
à System.IO.Path.GetFullPath(String path)
à System.Drawing.IntSecurity.UnsafeGetFullPath(String fileName)
à System.Drawing.IntSecurity.DemandReadFileIO(String fileName)
à System.Drawing.Bitmap..ctor(String filename)
à MasterworkDwarfFortress.tilesetPreviewer.loadImage(String key, String filePath)
à MasterworkDwarfFortress.tilesetPreviewer.refreshPreview(String key, String filePath)
à MasterworkDwarfFortress.MainForm.cmbTileSets_Hover(Object sender, HoverEventArgs e)
à MasterworkDwarfFortress.hoverComboBox.OnHover(HoverEventArgs e)
à MasterworkDwarfFortress.hoverComboBox.WndProc(Message& msg)
à System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
Maybe I’ve misunderstood how to add any tileset…
I’ve put Vettlingr folder with raw and datas inside TilesetExtras\graphics (alongside Meph 32 folder), and I’ve edited the JSON file like this:Code: [Select][
{
"Name":"Meph 32",
"TilesetType":"ASCII",
"ColorScheme":"DEFAULTPLUS"
},
{
"Name":"Vettlingr",
"TilesetType":"ASCII",
"ColorScheme":"DEFAULTPLUS"
}
]
Isn’t right ?
Post by: Regu1us on December 07, 2019, 07:04:26 pm
I really like this tileset, and have used it exclusively for a long time. But there is something about it that I find annoying, which I would like to change just for me: to make constructed walls look the same as natural smoothed walls. As cool as the castle walls are, I'd like to be able to make repairs underground and still have it look nice.
Is there a way to change this in the files or something? I'm on Mac.
I tried copy pasting the smoothed wall tiles from _MDF_decorations_2.png over the respective tiles in _MDF_trees.png but this did not change anything.
Would anyone have a suggestion?
Post by: Novaris on December 08, 2019, 09:38:02 am
Post by: Novaris on December 13, 2019, 02:46:32 am
Edit: My best guess is it has something to do with the tile ID. 240 is also the activity zone and the same tile ID is used for bookcases and for the upper right tile in the farming workshop. In the overrides tile 240 of the famers workshop gets moved to 156 (the bucket). however when in a zone 240 from _Meph_32x32.png gets rendered instead. Same for the bookcases. Here the original tile is also 240 and the override works as long as its not within a zone (which is impossible for the library)... pretty annoying. I would be glad for any suggestion on how to fix this.
Post by: Fleeting Frames on December 13, 2019, 11:05:18 am
Post by: Novaris on December 13, 2019, 01:52:37 pm
I fixed it in DM's tileset by swapping the locations of bookcase and activity zone overrides. Overrides work on first-come-first-serve basis.You Sir are my hero of the day, I moved the ACTIVITY_ZONE entry all the way to the end of the file and boom, bookcases and farmer workshops are as they should be!
Post by: Gutsey on December 19, 2019, 04:10:53 pm
Post by: Meph on December 20, 2019, 03:51:14 am
I'm uploading on a mirror right now.
Post by: Meph on December 20, 2019, 03:55:26 am
Edit:dffd seems to be back online, so you can ignore this. ;)
Post by: leugimimi on December 20, 2019, 10:32:46 pm
Post by: darkhog on January 04, 2020, 07:29:22 am
Post by: Meph on January 04, 2020, 05:45:11 pm
How long will it take you to port the tileset over once villains update hits?Since it requires dfhack and twbt, it's mostly up to the utility authors, no me.
I am however unavailable for modding till at least March/April. No access to my laptop or PC.
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 04, 2020, 07:52:37 pm
Oh No!How long will it take you to port the tileset over once villains update hits?Since it requires dfhack and twbt, it's mostly up to the utility authors, no me.
I am however unavailable for modding till at least March/April. No access to my laptop or PC.
are you on a hike until then?
Post by: DontMineYellowSnow on January 04, 2020, 09:01:09 pm
So this tileset rocks! It, and its packaged TWBT version, somehow also were the solution to my constant crashes with TWBT. A strange issue is occuring though, anyone know how I would trace this down?
Fescue grass and dense fescue grass shows up as some kind of grey crown with a blue jewel in it.
Dense grama (and occasionally grama) tiles show up as some kind of green crate with something in it.
(https://i.imgur.com/f8jwvWK.png)
I don't think this was intentional, at least the crowns.
I dragged this world in from PYLNP as I didn't want to start my fort over. I realize that means I will likely have these strange issues so I'm not blaming Meph's awesome pack, just curious how I could tweak things to fix it.
Thanks for any help!
Post by: Datura on January 05, 2020, 06:06:10 am
Just letting you know that I'm in the process of merging this with the latest version of the Revised mod.
That would be Meph Tileset V5.4 - 44.12 & Revised - master from Github (downloaded on the 4th of January 2020).
No ETA yet as it is quite time consuming (even though it's pretty easy) and I have to test it a minimum when I'm done. At least make sure it doesn't crash and/or throw a ton of errors.
It started as a personal convenience thing but I might as well share it :D
I'll let you know and post it on DFFD when I'm through.
Post by: Meph on January 05, 2020, 10:35:18 am
Pretty much, yeah. Only have a phone to check up on bay12 in the meantime.Oh No!How long will it take you to port the tileset over once villains update hits?Since it requires dfhack and twbt, it's mostly up to the utility authors, no me.
I am however unavailable for modding till at least March/April. No access to my laptop or PC.
are you on a hike until then?
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I dragged this world in from PYLNP as I didn't want to start my fort over.You need to generate a new world for the tileset to work correctly. If TWBT still causes issues, enter "twbt redraw_all 0" into the dfhack window. Also remember that "quicksave" or ctrl+s saves your game. I use it a lot.
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Just letting you know that I'm in the process of merging this with the latest version of the Revised mod.Oh, that's cool. :)
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on January 05, 2020, 10:32:39 pm
Pretty much, yeah. Only have a phone to check up on bay12 in the meantime.Oh No!How long will it take you to port the tileset over once villains update hits?Since it requires dfhack and twbt, it's mostly up to the utility authors, no me.
I am however unavailable for modding till at least March/April. No access to my laptop or PC.
are you on a hike until then?
nice! have fun man! i went hiking with a friend on new years and the last two years we went hiking and even camping on new years too.
but this year's been low for me, so we started with just a day-trip.
Post by: Datura on January 06, 2020, 03:10:11 pm
I'm doing it by hand (with the help of some macros) since I'm not good enough with regular expressions to automate the process in a reliable way.
Some of those creature_XXX.txt raw files can be huge though but, hey, I said I'd do it so I will :D
Post by: Datura on January 06, 2020, 05:34:01 pm
On a side note, I noticed several instances of the following tags being "inactivated" ‒ i.e. missing their [] ‒ in your raws :
ALTTILE:XXX
GLOWTILE:XXX
GLOWCOLOR:X:X:X
Is it intended or is it an oversight ? I'll gladly correct it if it is the latter :)
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2020, 07:00:56 pm
Post by: Datura on January 06, 2020, 09:01:15 pm
I'd say I've presently updated about 70-75% of the raws.
When I'm finished with it, I'll check those files a second time to (hopefully) find any typos I could've made.
Then I'll try to generate a new world and look for crashes and/or messages in the error log.
That'll have to wait until tomorrow though, it's 3 AM where I live, going to bed :D
Post by: Meph on January 07, 2020, 06:55:58 am
Post by: RoBoBOBR on January 10, 2020, 04:24:58 am
YES_DECORATIONS[ITEMS_WEAPON]
YES_DECORATIONS[ITEMS_DIGGER]
YES_DECORATIONS[ITEMS_ARMOR]
YES_DECORATIONS[ITEMS_WEAPON_RANGED]
YES_DECORATIONS[ITEMS_AMMO]
for gold, which makes golden weapons and armor available. Was that intentional?
Post by: Meph on January 10, 2020, 07:34:50 am
Post by: darkhog on January 10, 2020, 07:54:42 am
Post by: Meph on January 10, 2020, 08:32:09 am
Post by: Datura on January 10, 2020, 12:43:56 pm
Just letting you know that I'm almost done updating the raws to the latest version of the Revised mod.
I still have the following to do :
- plant_garden.txt
- plant_new_trees.txt
- plant_standard.txt
It's taking a bit longer than expected because I've caught a nasty cold and have been battling powerful headaches, stuffy nose and blocked sinuses for the last 4 days.
Not giving up, but taking a small break until I feel better.
Post by: Datura on January 12, 2020, 05:49:38 pm
It is with great pleasure that I'm able to say I've finished updating the included Revised mod to the latest Github version !
You can find it here : http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14662 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14662)
Everything was checked for typos to the best of my ability, it doesn't crash the game when generating a new world, nor does it produce any errors in errorlog.txt... other than *** Error(s) finalizing the translation KOBOLD which already occurred if you used the included language_KOBOLD.txt instead of utterances.
I added missing YES_REVISED/NO_REVISED! toggles to the following files, since their content only gets used when the Revised mod is activated : descriptor_pattern_lacy_wings.txt & tissue_template_pearl.txt.
Also added said toggles to various other files, where applicable.
Some notes about the latest Revised mod version compared to the previously included one :
- There have been big changes in tissues_template values (nerves, muscles, hair, scales,...) and material_template values (especially wood and leather).
- Most of the previous changes to weapons, armors, clothing, tools, trapcomp, etc. have been reverted to vanilla.
- A ton of gendered descriptions and vocalizations have been added to creatures.
Thanks for your patience, and have fun people !
Post by: Meph on January 12, 2020, 07:42:51 pm
In case you do use both revised and the more pain/bleeding/etc options: it doesn't break anything, but the game will only use whichever tag is lowest in the raws. So you end up with one or the other, no both.
Post by: Pellona on January 18, 2020, 05:45:02 am
I try with [OVERRIDE:240:B:UNK_V42_2:Bookcase::_MDF_overrides_1:246] i:zone
but twbt dont like it and do nothing :(
Post by: Novaris on January 26, 2020, 06:58:54 am
Best solution: locate the activity zone entry that sepcifies the zones (not the bookcases) and move it ALL THE WAY to the end of the file. TWBT will the find the bookcase first and draw this tile instead of the zone tile.
The line you are looking for:
[OVERRIDE:240:B:ACTIVITY_ZONE:::_MDF_overrides_5:238] i:zone
Post by: Meph on January 29, 2020, 01:03:51 pm
Post by: darkhog on January 29, 2020, 01:47:06 pm
Post by: Meph on January 29, 2020, 02:41:17 pm
Post by: darkhog on January 29, 2020, 03:14:12 pm
Post by: LeoCean on February 03, 2020, 03:07:08 pm
Post by: Meph on February 03, 2020, 05:31:10 pm
Post by: Tarmok on February 04, 2020, 03:50:24 am
Post by: Meph on February 04, 2020, 12:24:53 pm
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Post by: Meph on February 04, 2020, 03:43:59 pm
Post by: ChristianWeiseth on February 06, 2020, 05:18:10 am
Post by: CyberianK on February 06, 2020, 08:25:56 am
Using the Noob pack before villains release.
Post by: He11mo on February 06, 2020, 10:17:25 am
Post by: neobit on February 07, 2020, 05:49:12 am
ps. when are you going to update this awesome tileset to the newest build of the game?
Hello,
Meph is waiting for twbf and dfhack to update first as this tileset depends on them. Also he is currently traveling. Check previous 2 pages for details.
(...)never looked back at my old starter tileset.(...)
There is world outside this tileset. Checking others (or default) from time to time might be really refreshing or putting completely new light on the game. Trust me!
p.s. ..and then come back to this tileset and enjoy it even more :D
Post by: CyberianK on February 07, 2020, 07:45:14 am
Post by: Meph on February 09, 2020, 11:33:51 am
So the decorations only work with this download right here. Vanilla df doesn't have the necessary files.
The decorations are workshops and furnaces technically, so you build them from the same menu as the other buildings. Some of them have reactions that are used to change their design. (Lighting or snuffing a bonfire or lamp for example)
Post by: CyberianK on February 10, 2020, 04:19:27 am
I install this one then I guess no issue with the previous non Villains version Starter Pack?
Post by: jecowa on February 11, 2020, 05:31:50 pm
- creature_large_ocean - SHARK_WHALE: change "shale shark" to "whale shark"
- creature_large_ocean - FISH_CONGER_EEL: change "freshwater" to "ocean water"
- creature_large_riverlake - FISH_CARP: change "gather groups" to "gather in groups"
- creature_temperate_new - ADDER: change "small snake" to "tiny snake"
- plant_new_trees - With contributions from: change "/u/XIILarxene - Alexis DeSilva" to "/u/DyebrewsWitch - Alexis DeSilva"
Post by: jecowa on February 17, 2020, 08:16:28 am
Are the overrides for the tile 78 ("N") and tile 40 ("(") characters supposed to be on the Kitchen?:
Quote from: kitchen
[OVERRIDE:246:B:WORKSHOP_KITCHEN:Workshop::_MDF_overrides_5:126:16] # ÷ (barrel)
[OVERRIDE:176:B:WORKSHOP_KITCHEN:Workshop::_MDF_overrides_5:127:16] # ░ (countertop)
[OVERRIDE:236:B:WORKSHOP_KITCHEN:Workshop::_MDF_overrides_5:142:16] # ∞ (meat slab)
[OVERRIDE:59:B:WORKSHOP_KITCHEN:Workshop::_MDF_overrides_5:143:16] # ; (maybe a fish or meat hook)
[OVERRIDE:47:B:WORKSHOP_KITCHEN:Workshop::_MDF_overrides_0:79]16 # / (animation)
[OVERRIDE:92:B:WORKSHOP_KITCHEN:Workshop::_MDF_overrides_0:111]16 # \ (animation)
[OVERRIDE:45:B:WORKSHOP_KITCHEN:Workshop::_MDF_overrides_0:111]16 # - (animation)
[OVERRIDE:78:B:WORKSHOP_KITCHEN:Workshop::_MDF_overrides_0:79]16 # N ?
[OVERRIDE:40:B:WORKSHOP_KITCHEN:Workshop::_MDF_overrides_0:79]16 # ( ?
I also noticed some tiles being overridden twice in some workshops:
Spoiler: duplicate overrides (click to show/hide)
The overrides for your soapmaker workshop confused me at first.
Post by: Meph on February 17, 2020, 08:54:24 am
Duplicates are probably just lazy copypasting by me.
Glad to see you back, doing all kinds of good things around the forum and different sets, mods, graphics... :)
Post by: Bludragon on February 17, 2020, 08:47:59 pm
is this the same Meph graphics pack used in Masterwork, or is it only available in this pack you have put together? i'm sorry if this is a repeat question, but it seemed that the instances i saw were quite a while ago, so i thought i would check.
Post by: Meph on February 17, 2020, 09:07:21 pm
Post by: Bludragon on February 17, 2020, 10:21:25 pm
It's very different. Masterwork DF has probably the 0.1 version of this tileset. I never got around merging them, because steam came along and I knew it would be outdated once that hits.
Ok thank you, i was hoping i wouldn't have to download yet another pack (i already have LNP and MW), but i really like this graphics pack so download i have done. The good news is the client looks a lot like the MW one.
Post by: jecowa on February 22, 2020, 12:05:58 am
New caverns looks very cool. Bright colors create a great atmosphere.Done.
p.S. Update my dwarves and goblins)
And... wow! Just saw the changes you did to the constructions, furniture, etc. Every time you do stuff like that, I wonder why I made sprites in the first place. :D
Now I understand what you meant about the missing -top file for the _variety.png.
What happened to _Meph_variety-top.png? I noticed this file is gone in version 5.4. Was there a problem with it?
Post by: HyperBully on February 22, 2020, 12:17:46 pm
I am here to find out if there is a license that would allow me to use the this tileset in my own game. I'm a completely noob just learning Unity for fun and I've been searching the internet for weeks for a collection of game assets I can use to make a complete game. As I was searching, my hope was to find something that would let me build a complete world like Dwarf Fortress as it's adventurer mode is my main inspiration. That may have been an impossible task without a big budget. Then it occurred to me that some amazing artists have already assembled an entire world into a zip file and I already have like dozen copies of it on my hard drive. As a collection of game assets, the Meph tileset is an absolute treasure. I have all the Stone Soup assets and that collection is pretty extensive. It has everything need for a complete dungeon crawler. But this tileset has everything one needs to build a complete world. It has an almost infinite number of creatures with baby and reanimated versions of each one. The same goes for monsters, plants, walls, floors and a few races. Hell, it's even designed to allow for custom colored buildings. It really is an absolute gem.
I'm sorry for gushing. but I really do love this artwork. So is there a licence I can use to redistribute it in my game? I am more than happy to give credit. I don't expect to make any money (or even end up with a complete game) but I am hoping to share it with people at some point. If possible, I'd also like to upload the images to some free game art repos so that others might be inspired to build whole world for us to explore. I've done some searching and have not found any license info so I have no idea what I'm allowed to do. At this point I'm assuming that I can't use it. I hope I'm wrong. I'm not sure this is the best place to ask so I'm sorry if I'm in the wrong place.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Post by: Mike Mayday on February 24, 2020, 06:38:49 am
Post by: Meph on February 24, 2020, 02:52:34 pm
Sadly you can't use the tileset for any other projects, it's a wild mix of self-made sprites, free online assets, artwork by the community (Vordak especially), and art by other authors that permitted me to use it for this set. I can't give away their artwork for other games, that's not within my rights. :/
Post by: HyperBully on February 24, 2020, 05:01:35 pm
Post by: Proudbucket on February 24, 2020, 11:12:28 pm
Perhaps the tiles from Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup will be useful to you. They are free to use, they are also 32x32 and I recognize quite a few of them in Meph's tileset.
Post by: sybir on February 28, 2020, 05:14:51 am
I love your launcher and sprites, but I have some problems:
1) it crashes quite often
2) Sprites are replaced with running guy sprite
3) Sometimes, as I travel through the world, the sprites will just randomly switch places - grass becomes gray rock sprite etc. Tiles got their sprites changed to random ones and they flicker as I move.
Is there any log I can send you to debug that? The luncher's version is 5.4
Post by: darkhog on February 28, 2020, 09:25:02 am
Post by: Bguard on February 28, 2020, 10:15:29 pm
was a fellow Warhammer fan, Vordak Dwarfs are amazing aswell! he did a Great work on it.
Your tileset together with Vordak Dwarfs is perfect!
Vordak Dwarfs together with the Gold Furniture also looks really good and satisfy my Warhammer feel.
keep the good work buddy!
Post by: jecowa on February 28, 2020, 10:34:24 pm
Hi Meph,
I love your launcher and sprites, but I have some problems:
1) it crashes quite often
2) Sprites are replaced with running guy sprite
3) Sometimes, as I travel through the world, the sprites will just randomly switch places - grass becomes gray rock sprite etc. Tiles got their sprites changed to random ones and they flicker as I move.
Is there any log I can send you to debug that? The luncher's version is 5.4
3) sounds like a bug. TWBT doesn't work so well with Adventure Mode. I don't know too much about Adventure Mode, but I think most Adventure Mode players don't use TWBT. Meph doesn't work without TWBT, though. If you can handle Ascii graphics, CLA was made just for Adventure Mode.
2) might be that same bug. I'm not really familiar with running guy. Oh, this might be an Adventure Mode issue. In Adventure Mode, creatures can't use creature graphics while they are out of your line-of-sight; instead, they revert to their main tilesheet glyph. This is the issue that CLA was designed to handle a little more gracefully. It does it by having the graphics form of a creature look similar to the glyph that represents it when it's out of line-of-sight.
Post by: sybir on March 06, 2020, 02:22:26 pm
Post by: mason531 on March 08, 2020, 07:05:41 pm
Post by: darkhog on March 09, 2020, 09:31:13 am
Post by: jecowa on March 09, 2020, 09:36:21 am
Post by: Meph on March 11, 2020, 05:26:06 am
Download: Meph Tileset V5.5 for 47.04 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
This version updates the tileset to DF.47.04, aka the newest villains release. :)
The new altar and die use these sprites:
(https://i.imgur.com/6vZWfMO.png)
I also incorporated the updated Revised Mod by Taffer, which Datura released in my absence. Thank you!
(Edit: Fixed a little TWBT error, if your start menu looked a bit scrambled: It's fine now. ;) )
Post by: mason531 on March 11, 2020, 08:15:46 am
UPDATE!
Download: Meph Tileset V5.5 for 47.04 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13407)
You can support the tileset on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/meph) or as a one-time donation on Paypal (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ZTPEFV6LCDDAJ).
This version updates the tileset to DF.47.04, aka the newest villains release. :)
The new altar and die use these sprites:
(https://i.imgur.com/6vZWfMO.png)
I also incorporated the updated Revised Mod by Taffer, which Datura released in my absence. Thank you!
(Edit: Fixed a little TWBT error, if your start menu looked a bit scrambled: It's fine now. ;) )
I love you
Post by: LargeSnail on March 11, 2020, 01:26:53 pm
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Post by: jecowa on March 13, 2020, 08:33:55 am
ok so i have a two Packs the meph tileset V5.5 47.04 (but when i open the game bottom right it said 47.03) and the Caveat emptor pack (which have the 47.04) should i put the raws or file from the meph tileset to the Caveat epmtor pack to play dwarf fortress 47.04 with the meph launcher and the mods in it? im not really good at english cause im asian
Delete these from the Meph pack and replace them with the ones from the Caveat Emptor pack:
* "Dwarf Fortress.exe" executable (located in the \Dwarf Fortress\ folder)
* "hack" folder (located in the \Dwarf Fortress\ folder)
* "index" file (located in the \Dwarf Fortress\data\ folder)
Post by: jecowa on March 13, 2020, 08:38:15 am
I cannot load saves from vanilla 47.04.. the folder is ignored
I don't think you can load saves from a new version of Dwarf Fortress in an older version. And for the Meph pack you might want to create a new save file anyway so you can take advantage of all its features (e.g. decorative workshops).
Post by: jecowa on March 13, 2020, 09:55:41 am
Post by: waterphage13 on March 13, 2020, 10:17:25 am
Post by: SuperPluck on March 13, 2020, 10:34:59 am
It's very cool but... why the hell there is no official verisons of new TWBT and DF hack?
Probably because programming is not just telling the computer to "create a new version" and because this is a fan work done by people on their free time... So it takes a while
Post by: micon89 on March 13, 2020, 01:29:33 pm
Post by: francogp on March 13, 2020, 05:20:59 pm
I cannot load saves from vanilla 47.04.. the folder is ignored
I don't think you can load saves from a new version of Dwarf Fortress in an older version. And for the Meph pack you might want to create a new save file anyway so you can take advantage of all its features (e.g. decorative workshops).
the problem is that the title and OP state "47.04" and its not...
Post by: Meph on March 13, 2020, 07:41:33 pm
Changed the title.I cannot load saves from vanilla 47.04.. the folder is ignored
I don't think you can load saves from a new version of Dwarf Fortress in an older version. And for the Meph pack you might want to create a new save file anyway so you can take advantage of all its features (e.g. decorative workshops).
the problem is that the title and OP state "47.04" and its not...
The issue was that I updated DF to .04, then noticed that dfhack was only done for .03 and downgraded again.
Post by: darkhog on March 14, 2020, 07:21:57 am
Post by: mason531 on March 14, 2020, 02:32:40 pm
Post by: GamingMasterAnthony on March 15, 2020, 03:31:14 pm
Post by: jecowa on March 15, 2020, 07:13:51 pm
Post by: francogp on March 15, 2020, 08:30:02 pm
Is there supposed to be no sound? Because i remember playing a previous version of this with sound but that might have been with soundsense enabled.
The game does not have sound.. only background music. Only mods add sounds.
Post by: kikoman on March 16, 2020, 06:27:15 am
Edit 1: Links
dfhack-0.47.04-alpha0-200315000 : https://buildmaster.lubar.me/applications/3/builds/build?buildId=7387 (https://buildmaster.lubar.me/applications/3/builds/build?buildId=7387)
twbt-6.xx-win64-200305000: https://github.com/thurin/df-twbt/releases/tag/0.47.04-alpha0-200305000 (https://github.com/thurin/df-twbt/releases/tag/0.47.04-alpha0-200305000)
Post by: socate on March 16, 2020, 07:07:58 am
I wouldn't mind testing as well.
Edit:
Thanks kikoman.
Can confirm that everything seems to be working (at least on the win64 build). TWBT does throw a warning if you use the 200315000 build of dfhack instead of 200305000, but it is just a version warning. Will report back if I run into any major issues.
Post by: darkhog on March 16, 2020, 04:53:34 pm
Post by: Uthimienure on March 16, 2020, 05:24:56 pm
Can someone compile a full pack for me with the 47.04 and appropriate DFHack and TWBT versions? Knowing my luck I'll break something and then spend an eternity wondering why it isn't working.+1
Post by: fancylol on March 16, 2020, 06:37:17 pm
Post by: Meph on March 16, 2020, 07:40:32 pm
Post by: micon89 on March 17, 2020, 02:55:08 am
Post by: mikhos on March 17, 2020, 08:10:36 am
are you using an old version? in the most recent meph tileset sheperds should be functioning fine as i have some in my current fort that are growing up to stray sheperds without the hunter part added to it.
Post by: micon89 on March 17, 2020, 08:23:42 am
Post by: mikhos on March 17, 2020, 08:45:09 am
Post by: micon89 on March 17, 2020, 08:55:24 am
Post by: mikhos on March 17, 2020, 09:07:50 am
Ok so should I go the default skill level or should I erased the added skill?Their defaults appear perfectly functional.
Post by: micon89 on March 17, 2020, 09:13:43 am
Post by: neobit on March 17, 2020, 04:03:40 pm
(https://i.postimg.cc/vHQC212s/2020-03-17-22-00-35-Clipboard.png)
Most right is one that belongs to a zone.
If many bookcaces belong to a zone, removing part of the zone, does not recover looks of any of them. You need to remove whole zone.
Post by: Wafflelordling on March 18, 2020, 03:33:10 pm
But a side note worldgen crashes with invader active, havent tried each one yet. But had Hellfire imps, badgermen, and minotaurs active.
Post by: Meph on March 18, 2020, 04:17:16 pm
Sorry guys, I'm a bit slow atm, lots of steam df stuff happening. :)
Post by: ZayZe on March 18, 2020, 05:19:58 pm
I think it's the newly introduced no_eat races crash worldgen bug.
Sorry guys, I'm a bit slow atm, lots of steam df stuff happening. :)
good... goood....
Post by: mason531 on March 18, 2020, 11:04:37 pm
I think it's the newly introduced no_eat races crash worldgen bug.
Sorry guys, I'm a bit slow atm, lots of steam df stuff happening. :)
No eat thing crashes because of Fisher dwarf Jon
Post by: Deon on March 20, 2020, 01:28:21 pm
I've noticed that a few of gathered fruit growth tiles (the line after mango, including mango) are wrong:
- mango, coconut, banana and the ones next to them are shifted +1. I.e. coconut should be 105, not 106.
P.S. Since I started looking into this, could you help me understand the meaning of such massive "color" values please (example taken from a gem)?
[DISPLAY_COLOR:160:170:1][TILE:169]
Post by: Meph on March 20, 2020, 03:05:51 pm
Sure can do: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=170644.0
That way you can do silly things like more colors:
(https://i.imgur.com/G1FvU6k.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/TGtZ0aN.png)
Post by: Deon on March 20, 2020, 05:29:35 pm
For some reason the corpse overrides don't work for me, everything else does. Probably me being dumb, I will figure it out.
I have also noticed that most of corpse overrides reference tiles which are not present in Meph_variety.png, that looks to be not finished yet. Not sure if reported, sorry for barging in with all these details, I just looked at this for the first time for some reason, and I got charmed.
Post by: Meph on March 20, 2020, 05:59:33 pm
Post by: Deon on March 20, 2020, 07:32:57 pm
Post by: Deon on March 21, 2020, 11:50:03 am
Here you can see that the creature uses the tile 1 without any caste tile or alttile assigned:
(https://i.imgur.com/4oWOVjP.png)
Here's the override for the corpse, copied from your #humanoid one:
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[OVERRIDE:1:I:CORPSE:CORPSE::_MDF_overrides_13:R:8:152:153:154:155:156:157:158:159:16] #dwemer based on humanoid one
Here you can see that a corpse next to me looks like a tile 1 (dwarf) instead of the override:
(https://i.imgur.com/04X3GJF.png)
Any ideas are highly appreciated.
Post by: Meph on March 21, 2020, 12:05:58 pm
Corpse overrides do not work on civ-members, because the corpses have a special tag (to be stored in corpse stockpiles and buried in coffins) instead of being treated like items (like animal corpses that are brought to the refuse stockpile and butchered). It's stupid, I don't like it, and it should be a thing of the past once the Steam version is out.
Post by: Deon on March 21, 2020, 12:16:10 pm
Post by: Meph on March 21, 2020, 02:27:22 pm
Post by: Garfunkel on March 21, 2020, 07:59:26 pm
Post by: ZayZe on March 21, 2020, 08:01:43 pm
I heard 47.03 has some game breaking bugs in it.
so... I'm just waiting for 47.04 :D
Post by: Uthimienure on March 21, 2020, 09:33:22 pm
******************** the instructions I have followed before, successfully with vanilla 47.XX *********************
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=122003.0
More leather mod (why not incorperate into your mod)
« on: January 21, 2013, 09:13:56 pm »
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hello i have made a mod that allows you to get more then 1 piece of leather from butchering animals.
to install it ad this to [MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SKIN_TEMPLATE] in the material_template_default file in your raws
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[STOCKPILE_GLOB]
[DO_NOT_CLEAN_GLOB]
[BUTCHER_SPECIAL:GLOB:NONE]
[REACTION_CLASS:SKIN]
then replace your [REACTION:TAN_A_HIDE] in your reaction_other file with this
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[REACTION:TAN_A_HIDE]
[NAME:tan a hide]
[BUILDING:TANNER:CUSTOM_T]
[REAGENT:A:150:GLOB:NONE:NONE:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:SKIN][UNROTTEN]
[HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:TAN_MAT]
In the product, if you want to use the reagent's material itself, use NONE instead of a reaction product class (TAN_MAT in this example).
[PRODUCT:100:1:SKIN_TANNED:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:TAN_MAT]
[SKILL:TANNER]
[AUTOMATIC]
this way like fat the amount of skin globs you get from an animal is equivalent to its size so bigger animals = more leather
this mod is not well balanced yet and you may want to fidle with the number of required globs required for the reaction
ypur free to incorporate this into your own mods just dont forget to give me credit
« Last Edit: August 05, 2014, 11:50:57 pm by sackhead »
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Post by: TerminallyBeard on March 21, 2020, 09:40:30 pm
my eyes a touch. Cheers
Post by: Meph on March 21, 2020, 09:55:36 pm
Gday, love the work. Feel guilty for asking but is there any way to turn off boxed capitalization in the written text? Just strainsSure. Just open the launcher, there are about 2 dozen font to pick from. :)
my eyes a touch. Cheers
Uthimienure, that should be no problem. 600 is a good number instead of 150. I use the same setup in Masterwork DF, it's quite useful.
Post by: TerminallyBeard on March 21, 2020, 09:58:17 pm
Thanks man
Post by: Uthimienure on March 21, 2020, 10:00:17 pm
I'll try the 600.
Post by: micon89 on March 21, 2020, 10:38:18 pm
Post by: Deon on March 22, 2020, 08:59:23 am
Post by: micon89 on March 22, 2020, 10:44:04 am
Then I send them to a raid the dogs will follow and then after the raid, they comeback to my fortress. And then a siege came when I station my military dwarves their pet war dogs won't follow to join or help them to fight they just sitting around in my meeting area. I currently using meph tileset v5.5 47.03
Post by: Meph on March 22, 2020, 10:56:15 am
Post by: micon89 on March 22, 2020, 11:25:27 am
Post by: Meph on March 22, 2020, 11:34:37 am
Post by: micon89 on March 22, 2020, 11:58:09 am
Post by: darkhog on March 22, 2020, 02:57:38 pm
Post by: Meph on March 22, 2020, 03:37:00 pm
When you update it to 47.04? There are already nightly builds for DFHack that supports .04 and there's TWBT for that as well, as shown earlier in the thread.When dfhack officially updates.
Post by: Deon on March 22, 2020, 04:19:52 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/E5GRP9Q.png)
As far as I can tell, the tile for flux stone in decorations_3 file doesn't have transparency, and yet when designated for mining, it's clearly visible. Could you kindly shed some light on the technique, please?
P.S. Does it have something to do with the -top file? I didn't find instructions on how to use it properly on the main readme page. Could you direct me please?
https://github.com/mifki/df-twbt/blob/master/README.md
Post by: jecowa on March 22, 2020, 04:43:12 pm
Post by: Meph on March 22, 2020, 04:44:43 pm
The top file has transparency, the inner part of the sprite is see-through. The regular file has no transparency. When you designate for mining, the regular sprite gets recolored. The top-file with transparency gets layered on top, covering the edges with the grey rock color, making a smooth transition.
Edit: Sniped by Jecowa in a more succinct manner. ;)
Post by: Deon on March 22, 2020, 04:46:28 pm
Post by: Meph on March 22, 2020, 04:59:03 pm
Designations are a mess when it comes to graphics. Would be so much nicer to just get a custom sprite.
Post by: Deon on March 22, 2020, 05:09:05 pm
I had 16 for FG color in overrides, which made NO coloring possible. Phew, sorted. Thank you guys!
Post by: ctgarlington on March 25, 2020, 10:12:00 am
Certain tiles, when moving the camera around, will 'overwrite' other tiles until I move on a new axis. I've noticed it specifically with bridges, when moving the camera right/eastward or left/westward, it'll 'move' some of the bridge tiles to overlap wall tiles on the same row (and vice versa; some wall tiles overlap bridge tiles), until such time as I move the camera northward/southward.
I've also noticed this with floor tiling, for instance if you have a smoothed floor of two different types on the same z-level, moving the camera will 'shift' the tiles around in a way they shouldn't be.
Anyone else notice this?
Post by: jecowa on March 25, 2020, 11:25:08 am
twbt redraw_all 1
Post by: InkLinkLing on March 28, 2020, 04:13:15 am
Is there bug reporting or a troubleshooting page specific to this launcher?
I think I may be experiencing problems with: "many creatures that couldn't be trained now can be, including all giant creatures." @ taffers bugfixes trying to train a giant cave spider.
It could be something to do with trading with elves though, or their departure.
Is there any way to disable some of the addons, like the expanded materials, or is that actually a part of the base games updates?
Post by: Meph on March 28, 2020, 06:19:33 am
You can disable all extra content in the launcher, the mods tab has a button. Oddly most are linked to the Decorational workshop button. :)
Post by: Pillbo on March 28, 2020, 06:51:43 pm
Post by: InkLinkLing on March 28, 2020, 10:04:40 pm
Do you have animations on? That's usually the culprit.they were disabled, appreciate the info
You can disable all extra content in the launcher, the mods tab has a button. Oddly most are linked to the Decorational workshop button. :)Will try disabling decorations in the additions tab, strange if its causing me problems haha! I'll consider disabling the extra bugfixes if problems persist.
Post by: Meph on March 28, 2020, 10:12:38 pm
You need a new worldgen for that.
Post by: Riukus on March 29, 2020, 11:32:58 am
Post by: Meph on March 29, 2020, 11:54:01 am
Post by: Riukus on March 29, 2020, 12:25:47 pm
Mostly, yeah. Their armies and ambushes still need to travel across the worldmap, which means there might be fewer attacks or they take longer to arrive.
Oh... But it still much better then vanilla. Will try. Honesty may be now I finally can play post 0.34 versions without get bored. Thanks a lot! Also can I increase their min invasion size somehow? If I remember correctly small invasion forces is another problem in newer versions.
Post by: Meph on March 29, 2020, 01:06:22 pm
Post by: Riukus on March 29, 2020, 01:15:49 pm
You can up their natural combat skills and give them better materials if you want more of a challenge.
Well, +8 skill and normal material sounds good I think... Can material be a thing with two sides? Like it better material to recycle and better weapon to use for my own military if/after I defeat invaders.
Post by: Ironlion on March 29, 2020, 01:16:37 pm
I'm unable to run `exportlegends` on this version of DF. It freezes on the step `Exporting: Extra legends_plus xml` every time. Does anyone know if that's a current DF-Hack / script error or if it's something to do with the additions in this pack?
That's a dfhack problem. I'm sure they'll get around to ironing it and issues like it out.
Post by: thurin on March 30, 2020, 10:22:44 am
I'm unable to run `exportlegends` on this version of DF. It freezes on the step `Exporting: Extra legends_plus xml` every time. Does anyone know if that's a current DF-Hack / script error or if it's something to do with the additions in this pack?
That's a dfhack problem. I'm sure they'll get around to ironing it and issues like it out.
exportlegends is fixed in the latest dfhack alphas. You can either update the dfhack locally or wait for a new pack to be built.
Post by: Pillbo on March 30, 2020, 12:07:05 pm
I'm unable to run `exportlegends` on this version of DF. It freezes on the step `Exporting: Extra legends_plus xml` every time. Does anyone know if that's a current DF-Hack / script error or if it's something to do with the additions in this pack?
That's a dfhack problem. I'm sure they'll get around to ironing it and issues like it out.
exportlegends is fixed in the latest dfhack alphas. You can either update the dfhack locally or wait for a new pack to be built.
I tried again and this time just let it run indefinitely and it did actually work. It was just a very long process like 30+ minutes on that step.
Post by: vnneetguy on March 31, 2020, 07:42:22 am
Here is errorlog.txt
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Did it happen bacause of using minecart stop dump pattern?
Post by: Meph on March 31, 2020, 12:55:41 pm
Post by: vnneetguy on March 31, 2020, 08:05:04 pm
The error log has nothing to do with the crash; your minecarts are safe. I can't say what caused it, usually twbt in some form. Quicksave often, maybe turn down the animations (if on).Thanks you for replying.
I disable Decoration Shops, and enable extra engravings. In last version, when i left Decoration Shops enable and extra engraving disable, nothing happen. Maybe there is something wrong here?
(animation is off)
Post by: Riukus on April 01, 2020, 07:28:18 am
Also why yellow sand have pink color?
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Post by: Meph on April 01, 2020, 09:32:48 am
Post by: jecowa on April 01, 2020, 12:30:48 pm
Spoiler: color wheel (click to show/hide)
Post by: Riukus on April 01, 2020, 09:49:36 pm
Sand is certainly not supposed to be pink. Did you add or change any inorganics, or use an older save with this version?
No and no. Also did caravan settings in launcher change what dead civs send only one caravan? Because I have two already. And more then two waves of migrants for some reason too.
Post by: Meph on April 01, 2020, 11:46:06 pm
Post by: jecowa on April 02, 2020, 12:10:01 am
Post by: Rose on April 02, 2020, 01:14:58 am
Post by: Meph on April 02, 2020, 01:36:05 am
From looking at the other sands, I'm guessing all those display_color numbers need to be increased by one.-.- Not just sands, it would affect everything that uses any of the twbt color values.
Post by: jecowa on April 02, 2020, 02:34:32 am
Some of the stuff looks right, like amber carpet, amber dye, amber brick, amethyst brick, amethyst carpet, amethyst dye , aqua brick, aqua carpet, aqua dye, aquamarine brick, aquamarine carpet, aquamarine dye, ash-gray brick, ash-gray carpet, ash-gray dye, auburn brick, auburn carpet, beige brick, beige carpet, beige dye.
Lapis Lazuli looks needs to be increased by 6. Pineapple opal looks like it needs to be increased by 7. Golden opal might need to be increased by 41. Fire opal might need to be increased by 87.
I'm not sure about glumprong, spore tree, aluminum, cedar tree, lime tree, persimmon tree, pine tree, mahogany tree, nether cap tree, and avocado. The trees seem to have multiple State_Colors. Aluminum has a state_color of white, but its display_color is ash-gray.
Post by: Pillbo on April 02, 2020, 01:01:07 pm
Post by: Meph on April 02, 2020, 01:22:00 pm
Post by: jecowa on April 02, 2020, 01:29:30 pm
Post by: Pillbo on April 02, 2020, 04:45:09 pm
Peach-Faced-Lovebird-Personknitting
Polargila-Monster-person
Motivatormasked-lovebirds
Floor-fungusbraises
Great-Horned-Owldots
Kernelskunk-people
Swaggeredpanda-person
Death-wishbilked
Nookdunghills
Salmongreat-barracuda
Deltagreat-Horned-Owls
Bone-Opalkobold-Bulb
Midnight-Bluegold-Opals
Bandfire-Opalsnuffle
Eggplant-fruitarches
Is this a change to vanilla that is making these names?
Edit - found a couple really funny ones:
Blue-Sedgeimpenitences the Seaborne Moon-Snail-Person of Whitetip-Reef-Sharks the forgotten beast, somehow got that name with no kills or events in it's life.
Eyeme Guffawrose-Quartz the Stunted Osprey-Person of Scribbles
Emthan the Eagle-Person of Elephant-Head-Amaranth-Leaves
Post by: Meph on April 02, 2020, 06:09:59 pm
It changes the word for Festival from "Korsid" to "Seshothud". It changes the word for Dagger from "Urist" to "Tith".Now I'm not embarrassed at all. :/ How did that happen, I hope that's not from the Taffers Revised or Modest Mod.
I'm getting lots of long, unwieldy, triple compound and multiple hyphenated names. I've not played the vanilla version of 47 yet but I've never seen this in previous versions. I'm getting last names like:Could you please open your error log and see if there is any mention of DUPLICATE entries for your raws?
Peach-Faced-Lovebird-Personknitting
Polargila-Monster-person
Motivatormasked-lovebirds
Floor-fungusbraises
Great-Horned-Owldots
Kernelskunk-people
Swaggeredpanda-person
Death-wishbilked
Nookdunghills
Salmongreat-barracuda
Deltagreat-Horned-Owls
Bone-Opalkobold-Bulb
Midnight-Bluegold-Opals
Bandfire-Opalsnuffle
Eggplant-fruitarches
Is this a change to vanilla that is making these names?
Post by: Pillbo on April 02, 2020, 06:26:31 pm
Could you please open your error log and see if there is any mention of DUPLICATE entries for your raws?
in the "Dwarf Fortress"/errorlog.txt I have no mention of DUPLICATE.
Post by: Riukus on April 03, 2020, 01:56:05 am
Post by: Meph on April 03, 2020, 03:04:20 am
Strange. I'll have a closer look.Could you please open your error log and see if there is any mention of DUPLICATE entries for your raws?
in the "Dwarf Fortress"/errorlog.txt I have no mention of DUPLICATE.
Can I change Civs settings in existing save? I want to try another "caravans" options for dwarfs and "AI" for goblins. And can I disable bugfix mod without corrapting a save?You can, but you have to do it manually in data/save/regionX in the entity files. The launcher doesn't alter saves.
The bugfix mod needs a new wordgen.
Post by: Azdo on April 03, 2020, 08:07:29 am
First of all, thank you so much for this awesome work of yours!
I'm using the latest (47.03) version. I noticed that in "descriptor_color_standard.txt" file, there is an extra color, EGGPLANT, between ECRU and EMERALD, which is not present in bricks and carpets files. As a consequence, for bricks and carpets, from EMERALD all colours are offset by one and give improper colour representation according to the name (emerald is not green but brown, etc.).
For current game, I solved it by changing the display colour of bricks and carpets (emerald from 141 to 142, etc.).
For future games, I solved it by adding bricks and carpets definitions for EGGPLANT extra colour (files inorganic_z_brick.txt and inorganic_z_carpets.txt), as well as custom reactions (reaction_brickoven.txt and reaction_carpetlayer.txt) and custom dye (plant_meph.txt).
Kindly.
Edit: nevermind. I just saw it has already been reported earlier.
Post by: vettlingr on April 03, 2020, 12:11:34 pm
[OVERRIDE:179:B:WEAPON_UPRIGHT:::_MDF_overrides_13:247:16::BONE] constructed spikes
[OVERRIDE:46:B:WEAPON_UPRIGHT:::_MDF_overrides_13:191:16::BONE] constructed spikes
[OVERRIDE:46:B:WEAPON_UPRIGHT:Weapon::_MDF_overrides_13:191:16::BONE] constructed spikes - retracted (only works if the background tile is 46.)
How do you cause this tile to show, and what is a background tile and how do I change it?
Post by: Fleeting Frames on April 03, 2020, 01:01:29 pm
Quote
046 . Text, rough floors, various stones*, unexplored underground, various grasses*
Basically, TWBT sees there's upright weapon building on the tile, and that the tile has rough floor tile - it has no way to tell what the tile actually represents, just to detect what tile is visible and what what terrain/item/building is on tile.
Retracted upright spikes in vanilla disappear completely, displaying the floor tile beneath (46 in case of rough floors).
So the line is basically telling TWBT to display the override image for retracted spikes whenever they're not displaying the spear/spike but the rough floor below.
Post by: vettlingr on April 04, 2020, 10:11:48 pm
Got it to work now. Thank you so much!Quote046 . Text, rough floors, various stones*, unexplored underground, various grasses*
Basically, TWBT sees there's upright weapon building on the tile, and that the tile has rough floor tile - it has no way to tell what the tile actually represents, just to detect what tile is visible and what what terrain/item/building is on tile.
Retracted upright spikes in vanilla disappear completely, displaying the floor tile beneath (46 in case of rough floors).
So the line is basically telling TWBT to display the override image for retracted spikes whenever they're not displaying the spear/spike but the rough floor below.
Post by: DolphinTuna on April 06, 2020, 09:21:25 pm
Is there any way for me to remove the additional dog breeds? The sprites are nice, but I don't like the clutter. I'd rather just have plain old dogs like vanilla.
Post by: Azdo on April 08, 2020, 04:14:32 am
Is there any way for me to remove the additional dog breeds? The sprites are nice, but I don't like the clutter. I'd rather just have plain old dogs like vanilla.
In the /raw/objects folder of Dwarf Fortress main folder, you can change the extension of the file creature_db_dogs.txt (to creature_db_dogs.bak, for example); on next world's generation, you will only get plain vanilla dogs.I don't recommend to do it in one of your existing regions' folder; it could render impacted region unloadable.
Post by: McFeel on April 09, 2020, 09:50:13 am
Post by: Azdo on April 09, 2020, 03:34:02 pm
Hello, is possible to use this tileset without TWBT? I use Adv Fort, that isn't compatible with TWBT.
From the Meph Tileset Editor, on the first tab, in Graphics groupbox, you can choose a different print mode than twbt.
Post by: jecowa on April 09, 2020, 04:50:48 pm
Hello, is possible to use this tileset without TWBT? I use Adv Fort, that isn't compatible with TWBT.
No, not really. This tileset is designed around TWBT. The only part of the tileset that would look okay without TWBT is the creature graphics. If you mostly just want the creatures, you could take the /raw/graphics/ folder from Meph and put it in a tileset that doesn't require TWBT, preferably another 32x32 tileset.
Post by: cookiesurvival on April 10, 2020, 01:26:19 am
But when I keep downloading the recent download for 47.03, none of the stone overrides and workshop overrides go through at all. So I've been getting weird stone wall textures like stone wall that looks like armor and granite looking like grass. Any idea why that's happening?
Note: I've tried turned off decorations, but that didn't seem to change anything...
Post by: McFeel on April 10, 2020, 04:01:50 am
Post by: vettlingr on April 10, 2020, 08:36:16 am
Heyo, took me forever to realized this is out. Glad its around and love using it.Either DFhack or TWBT is not running correctly or your save needs the raws from the pack.
But when I keep downloading the recent download for 47.03, none of the stone overrides and workshop overrides go through at all. So I've been getting weird stone wall textures like stone wall that looks like armor and granite looking like grass. Any idea why that's happening?
Note: I've tried turned off decorations, but that didn't seem to change anything...
Post by: cookiesurvival on April 10, 2020, 02:43:33 pm
Either DFhack or TWBT is not running correctly or your save needs the raws from the pack.As I can tell by getting this every time I try redownloading the tileset entirely and dfhack working fine without it. I'm assuming it has something to do with TWBT not processing it correctly. Any ideas on how to fix that or is that something to discuss on TWBT rather then here?
Post by: vettlingr on April 10, 2020, 03:59:52 pm
You could post a screenshot and maybe I can figure it out. TWBT not working shows mostly on the furniture and assets that have a hardcoded tile, if those are still overridden, it's a problem in your save.Either DFhack or TWBT is not running correctly or your save needs the raws from the pack.As I can tell by getting this every time I try redownloading the tileset entirely and dfhack working fine without it. I'm assuming it has something to do with TWBT not processing it correctly. Any ideas on how to fix that or is that something to discuss on TWBT rather then here?
If you are on a new embark, using the Meph raws, and it is not showing things correctly. it is either DFhack acting up or TWBT.
If it is DFhack, you'll notice that there is no "DFhack" title in the title screen
If it is TWBT, the text in the titlescreen will not load and be replaced by sprites. Mostly fish sprites if I remember correctly.
If you are trying to port a save from another version of DF with another or the same version of Mephs or another Tileset, You will have to make sure the raws are updated correctly, I am not sure how to do it for mephs tileset, but I think it is not the easiest thing to do.
Anyway, If you send me a screencap, I can probably work out your issue. :)
Post by: cookiesurvival on April 10, 2020, 11:23:33 pm
You could post a screenshot and maybe I can figure it out. TWBT not working shows mostly on the furniture and assets that have a hardcoded tile, if those are still overridden, it's a problem in your save.
If you are on a new embark, using the Meph raws, and it is not showing things correctly. it is either DFhack acting up or TWBT.
If it is DFhack, you'll notice that there is no "DFhack" title in the title screen
If it is TWBT, the text in the titlescreen will not load and be replaced by sprites. Mostly fish sprites if I remember correctly.
If you are trying to port a save from another version of DF with another or the same version of Mephs or another Tileset, You will have to make sure the raws are updated correctly, I am not sure how to do it for mephs tileset, but I think it is not the easiest thing to do.
Anyway, If you send me a screencap, I can probably work out your issue. :)
Ok, Ill do that and post a screencap cause its messing with my head. Its like TWBT or dfhack hates me more then anything else. xd
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Post by: Ziusudra on April 10, 2020, 11:32:35 pm
Post by: jecowa on April 11, 2020, 02:52:29 am
Ok, Ill do that and post a screencap cause its messing with my head. Its like TWBT or dfhack hates me more then anything else. xdSpoiler (click to show/hide)
It looks like there's a problem with your /data/init/overrides.txt file. You might check that file and make sure this line exists:
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[TILESET:_Meph_decorations_3.png:_Meph_decorations_3.png:_MDF_overrides_6]It needs to be that and only that on the line.
Post by: cookiesurvival on April 11, 2020, 03:47:52 am
Ok, Ill do that and post a screencap cause its messing with my head. Its like TWBT or dfhack hates me more then anything else. xdSpoiler (click to show/hide)
It looks like there's a problem with your /data/init/overrides.txt file. You might check that file and make sure this line exists:Code: [Select][TILESET:_Meph_decorations_3.png:_Meph_decorations_3.png:_MDF_overrides_6]
It needs to be that and only that on the line.
Interesting. I did find it and changed it back to the normal. Though I realized that most of the overrides have MDF in all areas instead of just at the override part.
Mostly set up like this:
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[TILESET:_MDF_decorations_3.png:_MDF_decorations_3.png:_MDF_overrides_6]After setting the pngs right, which was replace the MDFs with Mephs, everything went through perfectly. Except override 0 which had "Meph_" instead of "_Meph_".
Though what confuses me is if this was a mistake by the download link or is it just my computer somehow messing with the files. Cause like I said, I redownloaded this multiple times and got the same problem. . .
Though other then that, it worked perfectly and the game is now stunning again. Thanks for the help! :D
Also for that one guy who asked:
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Post by: ChristianWeiseth on April 20, 2020, 03:29:04 pm
Post by: Millyrainbow on April 20, 2020, 06:04:53 pm
Thanks for all the work btw. :3 Peeps like you are practically the lifeblood of this game.
Hopefully these stressful times arent affecting you too much.
Post by: Pillbo on April 20, 2020, 06:56:05 pm
I'm unable to run `exportlegends` on this version of DF. It freezes on the step `Exporting: Extra legends_plus xml` every time. Does anyone know if that's a current DF-Hack / script error or if it's something to do with the additions in this pack?
That's a dfhack problem. I'm sure they'll get around to ironing it and issues like it out.
exportlegends is fixed in the latest dfhack alphas. You can either update the dfhack locally or wait for a new pack to be built.
I tried again and this time just let it run indefinitely and it did actually work. It was just a very long process like 30+ minutes on that step.
FYI, just in case anyone is interested. I've begun playing the newest (I think version 4) of the standard Starter Pack and exportlegends is faster on the same size world & history, under 10 mins.
It also took about 28 minutes for the Meph pack export to load in Legends Viewer, but the Starter Pack export loaded in just a few minutes.
So unless DF Hack improved significantly in the last version or two this pack is the reason export and load was so time intensive.
EDIT- correction, my Meph pack world has 250 year history, LNP world only 125. Still, large size and time differences, I don't know if 125 years would account for that.
Uncompressed Meph world legends.xml = 2,503,038KB
Compressed Meph world legends.xml = 99,875KB
Uncompressed LNP world legends.xml = 143,694KB
Compressed LNP world legends.xml = 7,694KB
Post by: Esavier on April 21, 2020, 05:30:47 pm
Post by: muzzlehead on April 22, 2020, 10:00:53 pm
are there any plans on updating it to 47.04? There are frequent unfixable loyality cascade problems with this 47.03...
+1
Post by: ltprifti on April 23, 2020, 04:14:48 pm
Post by: Garfunkel on April 27, 2020, 06:20:42 am
0.47.04-r1 is up! (https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/releases/tag/0.47.04-r1)
DFHack has been officially updated for 47.04
Post by: Ragnoff on April 29, 2020, 08:00:49 am
I am using the most recent launcher you provided. I tried to look around and while I can find the legends for the graphics I don't see any about the menu changes or changes to floor construction. I admit I did not go through all 169 pages... Thank in advance!
EDIT: I figured out the floor issue, and downward staircase will not get you to the top of a wall - *bang head* - oops! However something that explains the changes to the Stone menu and others if they exists would be helpful.
Post by: KassaK on May 04, 2020, 03:31:20 pm
I have a black background on every sprite, someone now why ?
The black background appear when I go left or right and disappear when I go top or bottom.
(https://i.ibb.co/GtbZ9X8/Capture.png) (https://ibb.co/7R63QHZ)
Edit : Found the solution, if you have this problem, just run the command : twbt redraw_all 1
Post by: sotiweastral on May 09, 2020, 03:50:47 am
(https://i.ibb.co/XpMQ7MS/bookcases.png) (https://ibb.co/2PH9vHg)
Post by: Meph on May 09, 2020, 05:02:43 am
Post by: sotiweastral on May 09, 2020, 06:37:59 am
Sorry everyone, I'm a bit focused on the Steam tileset at the moment.
dont worry dude, i know how stressful programming and design could be, eat well and get enough sleep.
Post by: Meph on May 09, 2020, 07:06:45 am
Am I doing this right? ^^
Post by: Fleeting Frames on May 09, 2020, 01:21:58 pm
I had the same issue and learned that its the ORDER inside the override fileMaybe it helps?
Best solution: locate the activity zone entry that sepcifies the zones (not the bookcases) and move it ALL THE WAY to the end of the file. TWBT will the find the bookcase first and draw this tile instead of the zone tile.
The line you are looking for:
[OVERRIDE:240:B:ACTIVITY_ZONE:::_MDF_overrides_5:238] i:zone
Post by: Garfunkel on May 09, 2020, 04:04:55 pm
I just had a delicious banana apple spinach smoothie and delightful 4h of sleep.
Am I doing this right? ^^
You are 8)
But could you throw out an estimate, whether you'll update this tileset/launcher combo in a week, a month, a year, or maybe never?
Post by: sotiweastral on May 09, 2020, 05:13:31 pm
@sotiweastral: Searching for "bookcase" in this thread brings up this:I had the same issue and learned that its the ORDER inside the override fileMaybe it helps?
Best solution: locate the activity zone entry that sepcifies the zones (not the bookcases) and move it ALL THE WAY to the end of the file. TWBT will the find the bookcase first and draw this tile instead of the zone tile.
The line you are looking for:
[OVERRIDE:240:B:ACTIVITY_ZONE:::_MDF_overrides_5:238] i:zone
It worked, thank you very much, here, take this razor sharp blue candy as a token of appreciation.
Post by: Schmaven on May 10, 2020, 01:07:04 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 14, 2020, 08:45:11 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on May 28, 2020, 12:21:49 pm
but compared to 44.09 it crashes like 10x as often. (i was able to play many hours straight in 44.09 without crashes and 47.xx randomly crashes after about an ingameyear)
:-[ my bad... i just found that that crashing one was 44.09...
Post by: meffcio on June 07, 2020, 06:58:57 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/tJw9Qqc/fortress.png) (https://ibb.co/NygMt9p)
This rocky terrain is actually snow.
Also some of the actually snowy tiles disappear and sometimes reappear if I hover over them with the cursor (the yellow X, not the mouse cursor).
Fresh install, fresh world. Anyone experiencing the same issue?
Post by: krieg on June 08, 2020, 10:12:39 pm
Post by: Colderun on June 09, 2020, 01:36:41 am
Post by: colombianx on June 09, 2020, 01:03:54 pm
Post by: meffcio on June 10, 2020, 04:30:28 am
So this happened:I have to repeat - is snow supposed to look like rock in Meph's Tileset?
(https://i.ibb.co/tJw9Qqc/fortress.png) (https://ibb.co/NygMt9p)
This rocky terrain is actually snow.
Also some of the actually snowy tiles disappear and sometimes reappear if I hover over them with the cursor (the yellow X, not the mouse cursor).
Fresh install, fresh world. Anyone experiencing the same issue?
Post by: Jaxblonk on June 16, 2020, 01:12:53 am
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on June 17, 2020, 06:06:52 am
I have to repeat - is snow supposed to look like rock in Meph's Tileset?that snow in the picture looks perfectly fine to me.
Post by: KeelanStar on June 20, 2020, 04:04:08 pm
When I launch the game, all the text is replaced with the titleset pieces, can't read it.
Can anyone advise?
Post by: Schmaven on June 20, 2020, 09:48:40 pm
Post by: Sevrin on June 30, 2020, 01:28:43 am
"MOUNTAIN trying to generate musical form without speech or instruments"
So two things:
One, does anyone know what this crash is and how to fix it?
And two, How do I install just the graphics pack, no Meph installer/modpack (maybe a version meant to be used without TWBT, that doesn't replace all the letters with symbols?)
Thanks in advance.
Post by: Schmaven on June 30, 2020, 03:34:45 am
Post by: Fleeting Frames on July 02, 2020, 04:17:09 pm
Taking out the mods would be easier, but you would have to still decide what you want to take out and then do it before generating the world. Then can just paste the files manually where appopriate; the 4.9 barebones version will provide a halfway useful guide to pair with wiki, even if some of the files are outdated.
I believe the LNP version is outdated/old version of the tileset in the OP. It indeed also requires TWBT.
Post by: Sevrin on July 03, 2020, 10:51:04 am
Post by: Schmaven on July 04, 2020, 05:32:44 am
Packs maintained:Obviously you will have a more basic look without TWBT.
Afro (Spacefox fork) (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9137)
CLA (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=105376.0)
Duerer (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142083.0)
Gemset (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=150753.0)
Grim Fortress (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=122421.0)
Ironhand (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=122400.0)
JollyBastion (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=104261.0)
Mayday (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137370.0)
Obsidian (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126934.0)
Phoebus (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137096.0)
Shizzle (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7205)
Spacefox/LeoCean (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=129219.120)
Taffer (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=107924.0)
Tergel (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=145802.0)
Wanderlust (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=145362.0)
The WiKi has a big list as well:
https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Tileset_repository
Post by: cherbert on July 10, 2020, 10:21:54 am
Post by: Novaris on July 11, 2020, 05:16:13 am
Edit: oh and don't overwrite the dfhack.init files, they are needed as well for the migration stuff.
Post by: cherbert on July 12, 2020, 08:22:29 am
Because the author is working on the steam tileset and its really no big issue to update DF inside this pack yourself. Just download the latest Starter Pack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126076.0) and replace all folders inside the DF folder of this pack with the dwarf fortress folder of the starter pack. just leave out the art, init and raw folder as these contain the tileset information. from the starter pack you get the latest TWBT build and dfhack. You can also update the Utilities (to get the latest dwarf therapist for example) either with the content of the starter pack or with the tools directly from the 3rd party tools page.
Edit: oh and don't overwrite the dfhack.init files, they are needed as well for the migration stuff.
This simply doesn't work. I followed your instructions to the letter. Firstly I had issues in that DF Hack plugin was in a different place in each pack and once I fixed that I am riddled with errors in DF Hack.
(https://i.imgur.com/DyhH339.png)
Post by: Novaris on July 12, 2020, 11:48:29 am
Done and tested: https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15145
(https://i.imgur.com/CmIULFO.png)
Post by: cherbert on July 12, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
I would give you mine but I extended Meph with gunmod and warlock. Give me a few minutes I will prepare an inofficial one. Hope Meph does not mind...
Done and tested: https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15145
Thank you very much!
Post by: Arson on July 24, 2020, 04:50:26 pm
When I attempt to start a game and reach the site selection map I notice all these gray tiles all over the map as seen below. I hit up the DF/Kitfox discord for some info, but no one could seem to explain the gray tiles. I'm using the latest version of the LNP and DF with the Meph tileset installed. I switched back to the ASCII tileset and noticed that each of these gray tiles is where, in the vanilla set, the broadleaf forest/spade symbol would be present.
I have attempted the following:
-switching to another tileset and back
-reinstalling the Meph tileset inside the LNP, including to the saves
-clearing the save\region1\raw\ folder
-clearing the DF\raw folder
-finally, clearing the save\region1\raw folder and using this save in a fresh installation of the LNP, manually pasting the save\region1\ (with clear raw folders) into the save folder of the new install
All these things I've tried have resulted in the same thing, the image below. Again, I'm pretty new to DF and there may be something obvious here, but I'm out of ideas. Obviously, somewhere along the way a setting changed a tile/symbol and it has proliferated. I can say that I do have a .xml dump from my original region1 before my first embark and these gray tiles were not there. Additionally, I created a second world (region2) to test and this world too has gray tiles if I use the Meph set no matter what I do.
Any assistance would be much appreciated. Thank you.
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Post by: Schmaven on July 24, 2020, 05:00:31 pm
Also, does downloading a fresh DF LNP, and generating a world with the Meph tileset still have this issue? If not, then try copying your whole region1 folder into the save folder of the fresh install.
Post by: Arson on July 24, 2020, 05:35:36 pm
Have you tried a different tileset and are those other tilesets displaying the world map properly?
I have, yes.
ASCII - seems to display properly
Gemset - seems to display properly
Obsidian - errors with the same tiles in question, including the same capital J, only in a different color scheme
Phoebus - errors with the same tiles in question, including the same capital J, only in a different color scheme
Also, does downloading a fresh DF LNP, and generating a world with the Meph tileset still have this issue?
In the fresh install I downloaded I just generated a world map using Meph installed and the broadleaf forest/spade symbol appeared properly.
If not, then try copying your whole region1 folder into the save folder of the fresh install.
I did this already. When I installed the fresh LNP I copied my region1 folder (which I had cleared the raws from since they contain graphical information) into the saves and it displayed the same gray tiles when I attempted a new site selection
So it seems to me like perhaps these are changes made inside the region1 save folder that aren't contained in the raws.
Post by: Schmaven on July 24, 2020, 06:07:01 pm
Edit: You might be able to take the seed values of your region1 world and recreate it if you're only 1 embark in, and had big long term plans for the world.
Edit 2: This is very strange, but I just checked and my world map with the Meph+Vordak (lite) tileset is messed up in the exact same way as yours is now. I did not see that coming lol.
Spoiler: World Map (click to show/hide)
I can at least confirm in my case that I do nothing fancy with the game. I use just what's including in the LNP and nothing else. And within the LNP, I only use Dwarf Therapist and DFHack. DFHack just for the savestock / loadstock function, plus whatever it does in the background. The only thing that changed with my computer was I re-downloaded a game from the steam client. Perplexing indeed.
Post by: Arson on July 24, 2020, 06:50:32 pm
It does look like something in your save folder for sure. I don't know what it might be though. At least you've narrowed down the effect to certain world tile types. I would just struggle to read the world map for the next few embarks or so until you want to generate a new world (as long as the in game tiles are still good of course), then make one with a fresh install where it's all good.
Edit: You might be able to take the seed values of your region1 world and recreate it if you're only 1 embark in, and had big long term plans for the world.
Edit 2: This is very strange, but I just checked and my world map with the Meph+Vordak (lite) tileset is messed up in the exact same way as yours is now. I did not see that coming lol.Spoiler: World Map (click to show/hide)
I can at least confirm in my case that I do nothing fancy with the game. I use just what's including in the LNP and nothing else. And within the LNP, I only use Dwarf Therapist and DFHack. DFHack just for the savestock / loadstock function, plus whatever it does in the background. The only thing that changed with my computer was I re-downloaded a game from the steam client. Perplexing indeed.
Thank you for your input. That at least helps to eliminate the possibility of something really strange going on with my computer and seems to suggest something with the tileset itself.
I also use the LNP and DFhack, but otherwise nothing "fancy". I haven't added any tilesets or utilities that aren't included in the LNP. I've just played with some settings that are already included and haven't had any issues other than this.
For the time being I can just push through this because it's just the map and you don't look at it very often. I just irks me when I put it into Legends Viewer, for example, and all this gray stuff is everywhere.
Post by: Schmaven on July 24, 2020, 06:58:36 pm
Post by: GandalfTheGreyt3791 on July 25, 2020, 05:54:11 pm
Post by: Schmaven on July 25, 2020, 07:18:22 pm
Post by: GandalfTheGreyt3791 on July 26, 2020, 08:16:42 am
Post by: Novaris on July 27, 2020, 12:21:28 pm
Post by: Arson on July 27, 2020, 02:59:19 pm
Post by: Novaris on July 27, 2020, 03:06:36 pm
Post by: Arson on July 27, 2020, 03:27:51 pm
art
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-Dwarf Fortress 0.47.04\data\init -- init.txt
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Dwarf Fortress 0.47.04\data\init -- d_init.txt
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Post by: Novaris on July 27, 2020, 04:15:53 pm
[FONT:curses_640x300.png]
to
[FONT:font_Meph_clean_16x24.png]
the map should look much better. You can actually just pick any font you like. The default in the Meph pack is called "font.png" which seems to be "font_Meph_embossed_12x24-v4.png" in you art folder. You can also choose this one instead by altering the two lines to this filename. LNP should also allow changing the font.
Post by: Arson on July 27, 2020, 04:37:04 pm
Post by: Arson on July 27, 2020, 09:58:53 pm
Meph tileset:
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It's a bit hard to compare to the original "problem child" map that I'll link again below because it seems the zoom levels are different.
Weird gray tile map problem thing:
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So it would seem the culprit is an issue with the curses_640x300.png not playing nice with something. It's worth pointing out that if you install the Meph tileset using the LNP it will automatically set that curses font. I'm not sure why this is the choice. Perhaps a TWBT thing? Not sure, I'm still kinda new.
Perhaps this might be a thing I should bring up to PeridexisErrant on the LNP thread?
Post by: Novaris on July 28, 2020, 09:59:45 am
TWBT is not to blame here as this merely diverts tile usage using the override.txt file and for world maps its not used.
Post by: Arson on July 28, 2020, 04:09:27 pm
Post by: Novaris on July 29, 2020, 11:07:29 am
If not then just the content of data/init/colors.txt
Post by: Arson on July 29, 2020, 02:09:09 pm
This is the colors.txt file located at Dwarf Fortress 0.47.04\data\init:
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Post by: Novaris on July 29, 2020, 02:31:46 pm
To know if you use it check the dfhack.init file in the dwarf fortress main folder (next to the exe file) for a line like
#season-palette start
if there is no sharp in the front, then you use it. You would also recognize it by the color being warmer in the summer and colder in the spring.
Your color files are OK. These are the original ones.
Post by: Arson on July 29, 2020, 03:10:33 pm
Post by: Novaris on July 29, 2020, 03:27:31 pm
Post by: satan on September 02, 2020, 01:33:36 am
Post by: Dwarf_Fever on September 13, 2020, 12:31:47 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/MRwYGqg.png)
Post by: darkhog on September 14, 2020, 05:12:28 pm
Post by: Novaris on September 17, 2020, 02:48:18 pm
https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15145
EDIT: I just realized the new TWBT is part of the nazy newb pack. I updated my unoffical release accordingly.
Post by: Novaris on September 17, 2020, 02:50:34 pm
The problem lies in the overrides.txt file.
Locate the following line in the <DF_ROOT>\data\init\overrides.txt:
[OVERRIDE:240:B:ACTIVITY_ZONE:::_MDF_overrides_5:238] i:zone
and move it all the way to the end of the overrides.txt file. This way bookcases are shown as actual bookcases rather than zones :)
Post by: Dwarf_Fever on September 17, 2020, 07:54:52 pm
@Dwarf_Fever:
The problem lies in the overrides.txt file.
Locate the following line in the <DF_ROOT>\data\init\overrides.txt:
[OVERRIDE:240:B:ACTIVITY_ZONE:::_MDF_overrides_5:238] i:zone
and move it all the way to the end of the overrides.txt file. This way bookcases are shown as actual bookcases rather than zones :)
Thank you! This was the solution. :)
Post by: Novaris on September 22, 2020, 03:58:15 pm
Post by: Thwomp on October 10, 2020, 07:58:11 pm
If you are talking about 0.47.04-r2 for DFHack then I can't help you as I am not aware of a valid TWBT release for this version. If r1 is enough for you then here you go:
https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15145
EDIT: I just realized the new TWBT is part of the nazy newb pack. I updated my unoffical release accordingly.
I've got a reproducible crash to desktop using Novaris' pack on my system It crashes when it tries to draw vermin remains on the screen. I've only run into hamster and rhino lizard (IIRC) remains so far and both have been hard CTD if it tries to show them. I can zoom to them and it won't crash so long as they are obscured by the cursor. Removing the remains via DFHack avoids the crash. Disabling TWBT and other options in the meph launcher did not help. I've opened the save under other tilesets using LNP and displayed the remains with no CTDs; using the meph lite tileset in the LNP pack had the same CTDs. After narrowing the trigger down to vermin remains, I haven't been able to figure any more out about it. Did not find anything similar through search. I can provide the save or anything else if needed. Hoping this makes more sense to people who know more than I.
EDIT: I was mistaken. This looks like a TWBT issue. I must not have properly disabled it before. Without TWBT there's no CTD.
Post by: Novaris on October 11, 2020, 04:52:38 am
Post by: Thwomp on October 11, 2020, 09:40:43 am
https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15243
Thank you. Best of luck!
Post by: Novaris on October 11, 2020, 01:10:18 pm
I was able to reproduce the crash with your save by loading and scrolling up. The game CTDs immediately. From what I can see there are only 4 things that are shown there, a dwarf hauling something, hamster vermin and a dog. Once unpaused also a bunch of flies appear. I ported your game to a -r1 release of Meph's I did a while back and the same game works perfectly fine there. No CTDs when scrolling around. For me its clear that this is a TWBT bug, something messes with the graphics it needs to draw and crashes in the latest build of the plugin.
You can load an older release of the Meph pack using -r1 of dfhack and twbt, there it seems to run. Meanwhile, I will try the latest stable build of dfhack to see if they changed anything.
Update:
I tried moving to DFHack -r3 using the same twbt pulgin but the crash remains, seems to be inherit to the twbt update. I will now try moving twbt from r1 up
Update 2:
Moving -r1 up to -r2 and even -r3 works, please use this file https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15244 and store it in Meph Tileset V5.5 - 47.04\Dwarf Fortress\hack\plugins\, Meph Tileset V5.5 - 47.04\Dwarf Fortress\hack\plugins\twbt\ and Meph Tileset V5.5 - 47.04\Dwarf Fortress\hack\plugins\original\
You will get a warning message when starting the game saying the version was not compiled for this dfhack version but it seems to work just fine.
Post by: Thwomp on October 12, 2020, 09:54:36 am
Done. Problem resolved. Thank you!
Post by: Garfunkel on October 16, 2020, 04:15:17 pm
Post by: AkRoughneck on October 27, 2020, 02:01:14 am
Everytime I choose a shadow, and click "hide dfhack" it doesn't work in game, or save those settings if I close the launcher and open it again.
Post by: Novaris on October 27, 2020, 02:21:23 am
As for the shadow, please find the folder "Meph Tileset V5.5\TilesetExtras\Settings\Shadows" and locate the shadow file you like. Copy this over to the folder "Meph Tileset V5.5\Dwarf Fortress\data\art" and rename it to shadows.png (overwriting the already existing one)
Post by: Oin on November 01, 2020, 07:42:14 am
I'm new to both DF and tileset use, so it may be that I'm doing something wrong, but in summary my game isn't starting properly.
I open the Meph launcher and start the game from there. DF Hack opens and the game too, but the game will freeze and not respond, not even showing the intro. One thing that I've realized is that if I change the Print mode from TWBT to any other (not really knowing what I'm doing) the game will start and run the intro, but once in the main menu what's supposed to be letters will be graphs instead, making it unreadable unless you're familiar with ancient Egyptian writing.
I attach some screenshots in case that may help with identifying the problem. I've read a couple of posts back someone also seemingly having trouble with the TWBT, but don't know if we are having the same kind of problem.
My Meph launcher config
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Launching with TWBT as printing mode (at this stage if I click the DF window it will say it is not responding)
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Launching with 2D as printing mode (or any other that isn't TWBT)
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Post by: Uthimienure on November 01, 2020, 08:34:42 am
Post by: Schmaven on November 01, 2020, 10:08:20 am
Post by: Novaris on November 01, 2020, 01:31:18 pm
Please try to use the latest version of this pack https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15145
I updated it to 0.47.04 with the latest DFHack.
Post by: Garfunkel on November 02, 2020, 03:00:38 pm
Thanks
I was able to reproduce the crash with your save by loading and scrolling up. The game CTDs immediately. From what I can see there are only 4 things that are shown there, a dwarf hauling something, hamster vermin and a dog. Once unpaused also a bunch of flies appear. I ported your game to a -r1 release of Meph's I did a while back and the same game works perfectly fine there. No CTDs when scrolling around. For me its clear that this is a TWBT bug, something messes with the graphics it needs to draw and crashes in the latest build of the plugin.
You can load an older release of the Meph pack using -r1 of dfhack and twbt, there it seems to run. Meanwhile, I will try the latest stable build of dfhack to see if they changed anything.
Update:
I tried moving to DFHack -r3 using the same twbt pulgin but the crash remains, seems to be inherit to the twbt update. I will now try moving twbt from r1 up
Update 2:
Moving -r1 up to -r2 and even -r3 works, please use this file https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15244 and store it in Meph Tileset V5.5 - 47.04\Dwarf Fortress\hack\plugins\, Meph Tileset V5.5 - 47.04\Dwarf Fortress\hack\plugins\twbt\ and Meph Tileset V5.5 - 47.04\Dwarf Fortress\hack\plugins\original\
You will get a warning message when starting the game saying the version was not compiled for this dfhack version but it seems to work just fine.
helped but this time it only caused a massive "corruption" of the graphics, ie all text was replaced with hieroglyphs and so on.
Any ideas?
Post by: Novaris on November 03, 2020, 05:48:51 am
Post by: Garfunkel on November 04, 2020, 04:44:11 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/DY2gv2L.png)
DFHack log:
(https://i.imgur.com/qQkPewq.png)
So yeah you're probably right, TWBT isn't loading properly due to that DLL file that I added. Without it though the tileset crashes. I guess I'll have to switch to a different tileset.
Post by: Novaris on November 04, 2020, 07:49:52 pm
Post by: Oin on November 07, 2020, 03:37:28 pm
@ Oin:
Please try to use the latest version of this pack https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15145
I updated it to 0.47.04 with the latest DFHack.
Please use this version here: https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15145
I tried downloading that file, but for me the crash just persists:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I don't know how to fix those problems. I'm not trying to steer you away, but maybe you could try the newest DF version 0.47.04 and use the starter pack in the meantime to get going with the game while those problems get worked out. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126076
Absolutely! In the end I'm just trying to get started, and if it can be with nice visuals even better. As this tileset wasn't working I played the game as it is. Managed to run my fortress for over a year, but out of alcohol, subsisting on seeds and with an outpost liason that drubbed one of my dwarfs for no good reason. Will try the starter pack and see if I can do any better.
Post by: Novaris on November 08, 2020, 07:30:44 am
Post by: Oin on November 12, 2020, 07:36:03 am
This is strange cause the dfhack log says TWBT got loaded and transparency activated. So the only explanation I have as to why you still see the wrong grahpics is that your overrides file is wrong but if you downloaded the file at the link I provided this is impossible, I tried a fresh download just to confirm and everything worked fine. Did you maybe mix installations and copied over the file provided over an already existing installation? Or mixed LNP and Meph's? Did you use any additional settings in the launcher?
So I've moved to the newbs launcher, and my conclusion is that the problem comes from TWBT with 32x tilesets. Trying a 32x tileset with TWBT will lead to a crash (happened with Meph's tileset, but also with Vettlingr's). If I try other printing modes instead of TWBT that's when it leads to the game running but with messy icons. In the case of Vettlingr's it was playable, although some menus looked a bit messy. But with Meph's every single text line was turned into icons.
I'm thinking that maybe the 32x combined with TWBT requires a higher processing that my computer is lacking? (I play in my 2014 laptop)
As I wrote in the newbs launcher thread, for now I'm even enjoying the ASCII so it isn't that big deal.
Thank you however for the help!
Post by: Evans on November 18, 2020, 05:01:11 pm
Post by: Novaris on November 18, 2020, 05:31:25 pm
Post by: Evans on November 20, 2020, 03:45:31 am
Whenever I try to install your barebones over the previous MDF version, it crashes eventually in fort mode.
Any suggestions? You have apparently abandoned MDF project, but this happened to me on all previous attempts since you have started creating your tileset. I would like to sort this out now somehow.
Post by: Novaris on November 20, 2020, 11:10:40 am
Post by: Evans on November 20, 2020, 02:41:21 pm
Random crashes can occur and are not necessarily related to the tileset but may also come from the TWBT plugin itself. Even the barebones version has a lot of graphics files and a long list of overrides TWBT seems to struggle with sometimes. The settings for redraw all and transparency are not really helping on this matter either. You could try activating the redraw_all in the dfhack.init file that comes with the barebone version or remove all the special "material" versions from the overrides to trim it a little down, this might help stability. also reducing the window size (visible tiles on screen) may help but unfortunately I have no magic answer that makes the tileset completely stable.No?
But you just might.
--> remove all the special "material" versions from the overrides
This seems to be most serious offender here. Totally wrecks Dwarf Fortress.
What does this file do, anyway?
On a side note:
In Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, I had to do some job on imo best tileset, as its creator went missing and it was not actualised for a new version.
Editing it was bad enough, as whole definition file was a single JSON, for over a dozen thousands sprites.
However, breaking anything, literally anything send game back to ASCII mode without issues.
I can only wish we will get something like this in DF, maybe, one day.
Post by: Rose on November 20, 2020, 03:27:45 pm
I can only wish we will get something like this in DF, maybe, one day.
Boy do I have some news for you!
(https://bay12games.com/dwarves/imgs/stockpile_2.png)
Post by: Evans on November 20, 2020, 04:31:34 pm
Post by: Yinseng on December 28, 2020, 03:11:53 pm
Post by: Novaris on December 30, 2020, 11:37:37 am
Post by: Yinseng on January 17, 2021, 09:46:36 am
Honestly I did not report it to TWBT because I'm not of the opinion that it's activly maintained but rather just recompiled with the latest DFHACK version so the version check passes again. If you want to report it please be my guest, I am not 100% if its really "just" TWBT or a combination of the sheer amount of overrides Meph put in his tileset and the way TWBT handles them.
Seems to be the case... now that we know it's definitely Meph's tileset causing it, how to debug it, I wonder?
Post by: Novaris on January 17, 2021, 01:12:08 pm
Honestly I did not report it to TWBT because I'm not of the opinion that it's activly maintained but rather just recompiled with the latest DFHACK version so the version check passes again. If you want to report it please be my guest, I am not 100% if its really "just" TWBT or a combination of the sheer amount of overrides Meph put in his tileset and the way TWBT handles them.
Seems to be the case... now that we know it's definitely Meph's tileset causing it, how to debug it, I wonder?
I tend to disagree as the old TWBT version works with Meph's tileset without crash and the new version does crash it must be TWBT that changed.
Post by: Yinseng on January 18, 2021, 01:31:39 am
Honestly I did not report it to TWBT because I'm not of the opinion that it's activly maintained but rather just recompiled with the latest DFHACK version so the version check passes again. If you want to report it please be my guest, I am not 100% if its really "just" TWBT or a combination of the sheer amount of overrides Meph put in his tileset and the way TWBT handles them.
Seems to be the case... now that we know it's definitely Meph's tileset causing it, how to debug it, I wonder?
I tend to disagree as the old TWBT version works with Meph's tileset without crash and the new version does crash it must be TWBT that changed.
That was discussed here: https://github.com/thurin/df-twbt/commit/1463d16b3642c2c5b88cb5b7d909a8f3b3f70350
The conclusion they came to is that the fault lies with the Meph Tileset.
Post by: McOrigin on January 25, 2021, 09:19:31 pm
EDIT
I tried and failed miserably. Even with replacing DF, DFhack and TWBT I can't get it to work. My old save is loaded but without the tileset and creating a new world just crashes.
Guess I will have to stick with 47.03 until a new pack is released.
EDIT 2
Found the inofficial release by McNavaris - thank you very much! At least one version up and some annoying bugs gone.
https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15145
Post by: thurin on January 31, 2021, 11:14:16 pm
Honestly I did not report it to TWBT because I'm not of the opinion that it's activly maintained but rather just recompiled with the latest DFHACK version so the version check passes again. If you want to report it please be my guest, I am not 100% if its really "just" TWBT or a combination of the sheer amount of overrides Meph put in his tileset and the way TWBT handles them.
Seems to be the case... now that we know it's definitely Meph's tileset causing it, how to debug it, I wonder?
I tend to disagree as the old TWBT version works with Meph's tileset without crash and the new version does crash it must be TWBT that changed.
That was discussed here: https://github.com/thurin/df-twbt/commit/1463d16b3642c2c5b88cb5b7d909a8f3b3f70350
The conclusion they came to is that the fault lies with the Meph Tileset.
the changes in that commit are required in order to compile against the new DFHack. if someone can submit a patch that makes it compile and not crash, I'll for sure merge it in.
Post by: Novaris on February 02, 2021, 08:52:53 pm
Post by: dirty foot on February 20, 2021, 12:04:59 pm
Does anyone know if that's a probability any time soon? The other graphics sets are great, but this one has always appealed to me most.
Post by: Ziusudra on February 20, 2021, 05:37:44 pm
Does anyone know if that's a probability any time soon?Meph is busy drawing art for the DF Steam/itch.io release, so probably not until that is done.
Post by: Meph on February 20, 2021, 08:03:35 pm
I occasionally come by and read everything, but never updated anything because I too am waiting for the Steam DF release. My own mistake for assuming it would be out already. ^^ I guess I should do some MasterworkDF and Meph tileset updates, although I'll have to redo everything once the SteamDF comes out anyway.
Than again, I learned a lot, so any future Meph tilesets would look much better than this old thing. ;)
Post by: Novaris on February 21, 2021, 11:34:51 am
Post by: Meph on February 23, 2021, 07:14:41 pm
I kinda want to make a new thread, just to show other tileset authors how to set up the spritesheets and what's new, but I don't know how much of this will change till the release. If there is interest for it, for sure.
(https://i.imgur.com/PMkOdXi.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ut60c0l.png)
Post by: Novaris on February 24, 2021, 03:24:26 pm
Mind if I get a copy? :P
Post by: Meph on February 24, 2021, 03:49:11 pm
But I think Kitfox would mind.
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 24, 2021, 03:56:35 pm
I'd give them out like candy. :PNah just call us beta testers. I'll submit bug reports when I find something.
But I think Kitfox would mind.
Post by: Novaris on February 24, 2021, 04:34:32 pm
:D
Post by: Meph on February 24, 2021, 05:32:48 pm
One the one hand, I'm one of the few people with access to the Steam version and I know exactly how it works. I have an unfair advantage over every other tileset maker. On the other hand, we (the bay12 community that doesn't buy the game on Steam) will need some form of tileset that uses the new updates. Usually authors borrow from another when they make a new tileset, but in this case the only one in existance would be the official Steam tileset, which can't be borrowed from for the free, classic DF release. And the tileset easily has 10k sprites, it's no longer 256 + creatures. Not many people will have time to create something that large.
I feel like I'm booting out other tileset authors. It's MasterworkDF all over again, back when it was popular.
In addition to that I'd be directly competing with Toady. If he releases the game with a 32x tileset for $20 on Steam, and I release a 32x tileset at the same time for Classic DF for $0, that's controversial to say the least.
Post by: Novaris on February 24, 2021, 05:59:21 pm
Also, you are not competing with him, you work for him. And if you don't make a tileset for the classic version, somebody else will. Especially if the game gets more attention once the graphical release is out. Just don't try to be the first one :) But helping the community and contributing actively was and is the spirit of this game so in my humble opinion you are following the spirit of the game and its developers when you offer your skills and knowledge about the tileset system for both the steam and non-steam version to the community.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 24, 2021, 08:06:40 pm
Its not a far stretch to come to the idea that someone would buy the Steam version, rip the tileset out of it and hack some of the tiles together to make a mod for the classic version.This specifically is illegal and has been mentioned many times by Kitfox.
Not related to Mephs ethical dilemma of course. Mephset doesn't use any elements of Steam set. The only way to solve that is to give tileset makers advanced copies of the game (or some version of the game they can use to test). But, well, that's probably got problems.
Maybe include tileset makers in any closed testing which takes place? Someone's gotta stress-test the new graphics code.
Post by: jecowa on February 24, 2021, 10:53:18 pm
The dwarves are still mostly from the official tileset, but this would be a first test look into the Meph tileset for the future DF. It's just imported sprites from the current tileset. Since I learned a lot working on the Steam release and it offers a lot more options, I can probably increase the quality by quite a bit.
I kinda want to make a new thread, just to show other tileset authors how to set up the spritesheets and what's new, but I don't know how much of this will change till the release. If there is interest for it, for sure.Spoiler: screenshot (click to show/hide)Spoiler: screenshot (click to show/hide)
Seeing the screenshot at full resolution looks a lot nicer than the scaled-down one from your reddit post.
I know you guys are joking, but I'm in a bit of an ethical dilemma.
One the one hand, I'm one of the few people with access to the Steam version and I know exactly how it works. I have an unfair advantage over every other tileset maker. On the other hand, we (the bay12 community that doesn't buy the game on Steam) will need some form of tileset that uses the new updates. Usually authors borrow from another when they make a new tileset, but in this case the only one in existance would be the official Steam tileset, which can't be borrowed from for the free, classic DF release. And the tileset easily has 10k sprites, it's no longer 256 + creatures. Not many people will have time to create something that large.
I feel like I'm booting out other tileset authors. It's MasterworkDF all over again, back when it was popular.
In addition to that I'd be directly competing with Toady. If he releases the game with a 32x tileset for $20 on Steam, and I release a 32x tileset at the same time for Classic DF for $0, that's controversial to say the least.
Maybe it'd be good to let the Steam Dwarf Fortress be the only version uses the latest graphics features for a while. I think the old system used by Phoebus/Spacefox/Ironforge/Mayday graphics will still work in the new version (excluding the TWBT stuff). Existing tilesets can maybe just use a main tilesheet and creature graphics at first.
I don't think you should worry about having an advantage over other tileset authors. I'm worried more about competing with the Steam version.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 24, 2021, 11:44:37 pm
Maybe best just to not worry about it. People use Mephset because they like it. People will use something better when it comes along. I don't think offering an alternative tileset is really "competing" with Toady. He's going out of his way to provide the means to add mods to his game after all.
The Big Wait is when the 2nd Golden Age of Modding begins (according to the forum prophets). Lots of time until then.
Post by: Meph on February 25, 2021, 03:20:11 am
That being said, it would be relatively easy to have this up and running as a day0 patch, so to speak. The largest amount of work on the Steam version is the UI rework. There would be plenty of time to finish MephSteamSet before release.
Mods will become both easier and harder. Inetragting mods should become easier, but adding graphics that fit well will be harder. If most people play ascii or relatively simple 256-tile tilesets, adding content is easier than making some with 32x32 sprites that have to match the SteamDF style.
Post by: SuperPluck on February 25, 2021, 04:11:24 am
I feel your conflict, Meph. I think it's a valid point specially since a success on the Steam release is bound to benefit the community as a whole. And having a free up-to-date, new-graphics-ready mod at day 0 would basically kill the only selling point of premium, which is the tileset made by you and Mike.
I would definetely talk with Tarn about this and maybe a good compromise would be to hold your release for some time (let's say a year) or until the first mod comes around. So you wouldn't feel like taking advantage of your inside knowledge
Post by: jecowa on February 25, 2021, 07:54:53 pm
On the other hand, we (the bay12 community that doesn't buy the game on Steam) will need some form of tileset that uses the new updates.
Is it a requirement to have a free graphics pack to make the game work with the new UI? If there's anything that the game absolutely requires, maybe those parts of the graphics should be included? But I'm guessing that it can probably fallback on "ASCII"-style graphics.
Post by: Rose on February 25, 2021, 08:23:28 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 25, 2021, 08:32:37 pm
It's not a requirement, but likely the way graphics will work is going to change, which means there won't be any day 1 graphical sets when the new release hits (depending on how much info tileset makers get before the release). And of course, nothing will be anywhere near the complexity of Steam set for a long time except Mephset.On the other hand, we (the bay12 community that doesn't buy the game on Steam) will need some form of tileset that uses the new updates.
Is it a requirement to have a free graphics pack to make the game work with the new UI? If there's anything that the game absolutely requires, maybe those parts of the graphics should be included? But I'm guessing that it can probably fallback on "ASCII"-style graphics.
Post by: Meph on February 26, 2021, 03:02:37 am
But I'll get a thread ready with some tutorials, after I get the ok by Tarn/Kitfox, and see if I can find some completely finished stuff that's unlikely to change till the release and teach people how it works. :)
Post by: Clatch on February 26, 2021, 05:44:16 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 26, 2021, 06:24:38 pm
As usual, I'm far behind the times here. From reading the recent comments here, it sounds like the ASCII UI is going away after the Steam release?The UI is going away yes. Being replaced with something more user friendly and mouse controlled (or with keyboard shortcuts for those who prefer not to use a mouse)
The Curses tileset (or whatever ascii-like tileset you replace it with) will be used to build the UI elements if you don't have graphics turned on. Otherwise graphics will be used (on day 1 that'll be choice of Steam set if you buy the game on Steam or Mephset).
Post by: Meph on February 26, 2021, 07:12:47 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Tmqy3YH.png)
I'm just testing a few things to find out myself if it works. There are new hardcoded limitations on the new features that no one has tested yet. ^^
Post by: jecowa on February 26, 2021, 08:15:50 pm
Post by: Meph on February 27, 2021, 04:35:39 am
Post by: LeoCean on February 27, 2021, 12:36:27 pm
Df has been around for a long time, even if your mod is out first it's not gonna stop people from making their own off of what they prefer and sharing it. I don't really see it being an issue with stopping people from buying the game either. Modding helps keep games alive, and in far larger numbers (ease of modding helps that even more so, df being decently simple to mod txt files(non df hack stuff) ).
It'd be nice if df could get a Achtung! mod like rimworld has so you can position your archers ect where you want them without zoning specially for that.
Post by: Meph on February 28, 2021, 09:18:04 am
The SteamDF sprites can't be used on the free version.
Post by: Novaris on February 28, 2021, 02:36:47 pm
Post by: Rose on March 01, 2021, 05:41:16 am
Its anyway going to be hard to choose. On the one hand, the new skin looks beautiful, on the other hand though I am going to miss DFHack and all its bugfixes and enhancements...Why would DFHack not work in the premium DF?
There's been no indication that that will change.
Post by: Novaris on March 01, 2021, 02:09:54 pm
Its anyway going to be hard to choose. On the one hand, the new skin looks beautiful, on the other hand though I am going to miss DFHack and all its bugfixes and enhancements...Why would DFHack not work in the premium DF?
There's been no indication that that will change.
Thats true but since the UI has changed and a bunch of tools inside DFHack manipulate the dialogs presented I have the pessimistic fear that at least this part of DFHack could be affected. No doubt the underlying codebase of both game versions will be the same but the rendering and frontend will be different which could lead to two versions of DFHack, one with improved dialogs, one without. But you are right, atm there was no indication in this direction so let me rephrase my statement: In case there is no combined version it will be hard to decide which one I will prefer :)
Post by: jecowa on March 02, 2021, 10:57:05 pm
I can't get it to work without making all vermin remains look like Turtle Shells.
Quote
[OVERRIDE:253:I:ANY:::_MDF_overrides_13:162:16:::CREATURE_MAT:POND_TURTLE:SHELL] bodyparts
[OVERRIDE:253:I:CORPSEPIECE:CORPSEPIECE::_MDF_overrides_13:R:8:32:33:34:35:36:37:38:39:16] bodyparts
I tried it in 0.47.05, 0.47.03, 0.44.12, and 0.44.05, but the shell just looks like any other remains.
Post by: thurin on March 04, 2021, 10:18:56 pm
https://github.com/thurin/df-twbt/releases/tag/0.47.05-beta1-r2
Post by: Novaris on March 07, 2021, 05:35:47 am
New version of Meph V5.5 with 0.47.05 DF, TWBT and DFHack
https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15145
@Meph: could you please update the frontpage and title of the thread?
Post by: Meph on March 07, 2021, 01:50:57 pm
Thanks so much. :)
Post by: Novaris on March 07, 2021, 03:29:25 pm
Post by: AkRoughneck on March 10, 2021, 11:21:00 pm
Post by: Novaris on March 11, 2021, 04:14:26 am
Post by: Anonymous_Wind on March 11, 2021, 04:05:03 pm
Since this is also my first post, I would like to thank you, Meph, for your work on this graphics pack and all the beautiful artwork it contains.
Post by: Novaris on March 11, 2021, 06:19:37 pm
Post by: Anonymous_Wind on March 11, 2021, 06:44:41 pm
Yeah, I launched the game from the launcher originally. Just now, I launched from Dwarf Fortress.exe like you suggested and it gave the same colors. I also tried the previous version of the tileset and launcher with the same results. In the separate install mentioned in my other post, I tried replacing the colors.txt in the Meph pack with one from Ironhand (the graphics I used to use) with no success. I'm not sure if anyone else has had this trouble, but if there's more I can do to be helpful, please let me know - I'm new both to the forum and tinkering with the DF innards.
Post by: Meph on March 11, 2021, 07:23:58 pm
Post by: Novaris on March 11, 2021, 07:28:28 pm
@Meph I ran the compiled 0.47.05 again in a fresh unpack, I dont have this color issues. Also the font in the screenshot is wrong, yours is more "medieval"
Post by: Meph on March 11, 2021, 07:30:45 pm
I think he just changed the font. Looks like Ironhands. TWBT is certainly running on his screenshot, but the colors are off.
Post by: Anonymous_Wind on March 11, 2021, 07:52:50 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 15, 2021, 10:52:21 am
"C:\Spiele\Meph Tileset V5.5 - 47.05\Dwarf Fortress\hack\plugins\original"
"C:\Spiele\Meph Tileset V5.5 - 47.05\Dwarf Fortress\hack\plugins\twbt"
also i get that TWBT error about the shell, but you already said it was irrelevant.
Post by: Novaris on March 15, 2021, 03:20:42 pm
Post by: Meph on March 15, 2021, 03:41:13 pm
Post by: Pvt. Pirate on March 15, 2021, 03:55:15 pm
Post by: Sennar on March 20, 2021, 03:59:18 pm
I just wanna play with the graphical tiles, my drivers and gpu are up to date. What could i possibly do? it's starts fine without twbt but then i wont have multilevelview :(
The Menu screen is also only pictures not words. help :'D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on March 20, 2021, 04:21:14 pm
Post by: Sennar on March 20, 2021, 04:25:49 pm
Sorry for the ruckus.
Post by: Sard on March 22, 2021, 04:15:29 pm
Post by: Novaris on March 22, 2021, 04:40:56 pm
Post by: Sard on March 22, 2021, 04:44:33 pm
Post by: Novaris on March 22, 2021, 04:48:54 pm
Post by: Sard on March 22, 2021, 05:09:10 pm
Post by: Meph on March 22, 2021, 08:29:06 pm
Post by: hemperor on March 24, 2021, 10:28:23 pm
When i activate the tileset it fails to update the savegame (broken raw message) even in a world game without a save game running and all the sprites looks inverted! like elfs are crabs, fruits looks like fruit baskets and so on! someone here knows a solution or a fix to this problem?
Thanks.
Post by: jecowa on March 24, 2021, 11:43:20 pm
Post by: DeedsOfFlesh on March 25, 2021, 03:10:26 pm
I wanna ask if i can add additional mods to this tileset, im not a coder programmer and i have never managed to successfully mod dwarf fortress anyway, if u have the time to explain this pls man, ik ure probably really busy atm
Post by: Meph on March 25, 2021, 04:49:07 pm
Yes, of course you can add mods if you want. Or you can add parts of the tileset into mods, either way works. But I really can't explain you every part about modding. What exactly are you trying to do?
Post by: Meph on March 28, 2021, 06:11:16 pm
64x64 sprites! (Quick ingame test with TWBT using some edited sprites donated from the wonderful Dokucraft Dwarven tileset for Minecraft)
(https://i.imgur.com/rH12y64.png)
The question is, how many people could actually need/use something like that? It works fine on 3840x2160, but that seems a bit rare.
Post by: Splint on March 28, 2021, 07:02:19 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on March 28, 2021, 08:41:29 pm
Looks great though. I'd use it for taking screenshots of my fortress if nothing else (bit too big for gameplay on my laptop).
Post by: jecowa on March 29, 2021, 04:45:43 am
On my 13-inch laptop display, I think 1920 is the limit of what I can appreciate. My screen goes up to 2560, but I can't appreciate the details of a tileset very well at this resolution on a 13-inch display.
From a Dwarf Fortress survey from last year, 15.4% of players used a resolution higher than 1920. And about 10% played on a desktop with a resolution greater than 1920.
resolution - users - tiles across with 64x64 tileset
1280 - 05.14% - 20
1360 - 01.87% - 21
1366 - 07.94% - 21
1600 - 06.54% - 25
1680 - 01.87% - 26
<1920 - 24.77%
1920 - 59.81% - 30
>1920 - 15.42%
2560 - 07.94% - 40
2880 - 03.27% - 45
3840 - 03.74% - 60
5120 - 00.47% - 80
In the same survey from last year, 66% of players said they play Dwarf Fortress on a desktop computer over a laptop. With 4K and 5K displays becoming more common, a 64x64 tileset will be more useful.
Post by: Meph on March 29, 2021, 08:21:12 am
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on March 29, 2021, 08:37:22 am
So about 25% might be interested, and anyone who wants prettier screenshots...If Steam enables smooth switching between tilesets with no accidental messing up of custom raws, init files or keybindings, I'll certainly give 64x tilesets a try even if they're too big to be practical in the long-term. Nice to shake things up a bit every so often.
Post by: kochano on March 29, 2021, 01:24:07 pm
The question is, how many people could actually need/use something like that? It works fine on 3840x2160, but that seems a bit rare.I would use it. It looks great.
Post by: Rose on March 29, 2021, 01:31:53 pm
So about 25% might be interested, and anyone who wants prettier screenshots...If Steam enables smooth switching between tilesets with no accidental messing up of custom raws, init files or keybindings, I'll certainly give 64x tilesets a try even if they're too big to be practical in the long-term. Nice to shake things up a bit every so often.
That's the eventual hope, yeah.
Post by: jecowa on March 29, 2021, 01:58:35 pm
Post by: LeoCean on March 29, 2021, 03:56:16 pm
Love those walls.
Post by: jecowa on March 29, 2021, 05:15:47 pm
Post by: Schmaven on March 29, 2021, 07:28:22 pm
The zoom commands are vanilla. Lazy Noob Packs will often add an easier keybind for zooming (left and right brackets). And then it's F10 to reset the zoom to pixel-perfect.
I wish I knew about F10 years ago. I've been looking closely at objects while I zoom in/out until it looks right again this whole time...
Post by: ANickel on March 29, 2021, 11:23:03 pm
Post by: Meph on March 30, 2021, 02:46:21 am
Post by: Meph on March 30, 2021, 06:28:10 pm
Open in a new tab, warning, there is zoom. A few rooms, trade depot, grass, plants, saplings... https://i.imgur.com/ox4OhAG.png (https://i.imgur.com/ox4OhAG.png)
Sprite test at 128, 64, 32 and 16 pixels. It remains quite readable.
(https://i.imgur.com/0YOM1NG.png)
Post by: Splint on March 30, 2021, 07:34:41 pm
Post by: Meph on March 31, 2021, 05:17:24 am
Post by: Novaris on March 31, 2021, 08:37:58 am
Post by: Meph on March 31, 2021, 11:53:21 am
For example in the screenshot above the saplings are 64x64, while I kept the plants in their original size from the current tileset. The result are small trees the size of dwarves, while plants are 2x smaller than before.
Post by: jecowa on April 02, 2021, 01:00:36 pm
Tile 40 of Meph_32.png: This needs to be changed to a honey bee / bumble bee graphic to match the /raw/objects/ and the -top version of the file.
Tile 95 of _Meph_items-top.png (adamantine boulder): This needs to be deleted (still shows a potion bottle from the pre-2.7 versions).
Tiles 240 & 241 of _Meph_furniture-top.png (armor stand & weapon rack): These need to be swapped to match its bottom tilesheet and the overrides.txt file.
_Meph_constructions.png and _Meph_constructions-top.png:
- On the Wood stairs, tile 46 says it's UpDown, but it looks like maybe it is supposed to be a Down stairs. Tile 45 looks more like an UpDown stairs, so maybe these two should be swapped.
- On the Marble stairs, I think tiles 174 and 175 (UpDown and Up) need to be swapped.
- And maybe the Mushroom Tree Wood stairs on tiles 61 and 62 could use some work. Remove the part of the stairs on 61 that head upwards so it looks more like a downstairs. Then maybe remove the framing stuff from the -top layer of those two tiles.
- There's no overrides definitions for tiles 176-191, but guessing that's intentional.
Post by: Novaris on April 02, 2021, 04:56:00 pm
Tile 95 is confirmed. I can simply delete the overlay in the next release.
Tiel 240 and 241 are ok for my unpack in both -top, normal and -bg files. Also overrides say glass armor stand 240 which is the left graphics and thats a armor stand, I dont see the mistake?
Post by: jecowa on April 02, 2021, 06:17:19 pm
And for the armor stands and weapon racks,
Post by: Novaris on April 02, 2021, 06:40:55 pm
EDIT: And its up.
Post by: jecowa on April 03, 2021, 01:58:02 pm
Edit: I think I just have an old version of this file.
Post by: jecowa on April 07, 2021, 12:05:49 am
Nickel and Zinc both use blue-ish foreground colors and light gray as a background color. Even though Zinc and Nickel are silver-colored, the blue/gray combos match the Vanilla versions of these ores. What's kind of odd, though, is that Tin does not follow this format. Instead of using a blue-ish color with light gray, it uses an off-white with a light gray. The color identifier of Tin is only 2 off from that of Nickel. Perhaps Tin was intended to be the same color as Nickel?
I'm guessing Pig Iron is purposefully light purple as a joke.
Electrum is lime. If that's a joke, I'm not getting it. I'm changing it to Ochre (dark orange) unless there's a reason for lime.
In vanilla, Fine Pewter is as white as possible and has "silver" listed as its color. In Meph it's dark tan. I'm going to bump it up by 2 to 140 Ecru unless someone has a better idea.
Trifle Pewter is set as Ecru (maybe he got the two pewters mixed up?). Trifle Pewter has a state color of Taupe Gray. Maybe it should be set to that? I'll set it to 138 Dark Tan.
In vanilla, Lay Pewter is kinda blue-ish (though it has a state color of white), but it is Flax-colored in Meph. It looks like some types of Pewter are Flax-colored, so this might be intentional.
Lead is set to 201 (Dark Taupe), but it's state color is Taupe Gray, so I'm guessing 202 was intended here.
Nickel Silver is a light blue, but in vanilla it's as white as possible with a silver state color. Probably intentional, though, since nickel is also blue, and nickel silver is mostly nickel.
Billon's state color is Pale Brown, but Meph has it down as Tan. This is probably an intended adjustment.
Stirling Silver is probably not supposed to be violet. This is only 1 off from white, so white was probably intended here.
Black bronze is down as being Tan. I think that's much too bright for Black Bronze. It's only 1 off from Dark Taupe, which is probably the intended value.
Rose gold is down as Pale Chestnut. I'm going to increase it by 1 to Pale Pink.
Bismuth is down as a dark blue. Vanilla has it as very purple. It looks like real life Bismuth is kind of rainbow colored. I don't know. I'm going to set it to its state color of Heliotrope unless maybe someone has another idea.
Bismuth Bronze is a dark green, but it's yellow in vanilla with a state color of Tan. There's nothing adjacent to Dark Olive that would appear to be the intended value. I guess I'll set it to the state color of Tan. Maybe it should be more yellow, but probably not more yellow than Gold.
Stay tuned for next color analysis in which I review Gem Colors. There are so many Gems in this game.
Post by: Meph on April 07, 2021, 02:16:33 am
Ingame it mostly looks fine, except for the stark purple/lime of electrum and sterling silver.
(https://i.imgur.com/eftL4rD.png)
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It looks like real life Bismuth is kind of rainbow colored.If I add a specific bar sprite just for bismuth and use the _top.png, I could give it a preset coloration that looks full on rainbow. ;)
I just checked, bismuth bar in RL:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/w6iG173viKQYtTtsP2vDEcniMMJZikzA9cF5BzQU1FRYshNGpWa7Tn0PqqewMsQjDsTy5D77GOQKgdtrkl-bPYo_YtD1AXqrhZbLc56DPA)
Bismuth crystals are rainbow colored:
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H1c0b3f0063e94e81b5e6041a889d8909Q.jpg)
Post by: Novaris on April 07, 2021, 06:00:08 am
Post by: jecowa on April 07, 2021, 07:46:52 am
Post by: Rose on April 07, 2021, 06:29:43 pm
Edit: To clarify, TWBT needs this functionality, but doesn't.
Post by: jecowa on April 07, 2021, 06:57:00 pm
Post by: jecowa on April 10, 2021, 12:07:53 am
Sterling Silver is an interesting one. It's display color number #211 ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉ is high enough that it should need to be increased by 3 which would give it a new value of #214 ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, but it looks to be only 1 off from the likely intended value of #212 ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉. Maybe you knew to correct by 2 for the 188+ numbers but didn't realize that #141 had also been added? That doesn't seem to make sense in all situations, though, with a few metals with color values of 141 or higher that seem to have correct color values, such as Silver (#196 ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉) and Pig Iron (#161 ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉).
But if the 188+ numbers might only be off by 1 instead of 3, then maybe doublecheck those Sand color values that are 188 or higher.
Should Tan Sand be #200 (+0) tan ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, or #201 (+1) dark taupe ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, or #203 (+3) taupe ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉?
Should Black Sand be #201 (+0) dark taupe ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, #202 (+1) taupe gray ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, or #204 (+3) purple taupe ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉?
Should Red Sand be #190 (+0) russet ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, #191 (+1) rust ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉, or #193 (+3) scarlet ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉?
It looks like all these color changes happened sometime between Meph 3.0 and Meph 4.9 (Sometime between 2018-05-15 and 2019-03-03) in case that helps.
Spoiler: descriptor color standard palette (click to show/hide)
Post by: Novaris on April 12, 2021, 06:30:31 am
reasons:
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/cacti-sand-desert-cactus-park-cacti-sand-desert-cactus-park-174109385.jpg
https://cdn.fodors.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Black-Sand-Beaches-Black-Sand-Beach-Alaska-USA.jpg
https://cdn7.dissolve.com/p/D1234_1_435/D1234_1_435_1200.jpg
Post by: jecowa on April 12, 2021, 07:50:45 am
Post by: Novaris on April 16, 2021, 11:58:33 am
SAND_TAN to 200,
SAND_YELLOW to 144,
SAND_WHITE to 178,
SAND_BLACK to 201 and
SAND_RED to 191
and it looks brilliant :) many thanks for your color table!
Post by: Sevrin on April 18, 2021, 01:09:10 am
Post by: jecowa on April 18, 2021, 02:15:20 am
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disable mousequeryTo permanently remove it, delete your /Dwarf Fortress/hack/plugins/mousequery.plug.dylib file.
Post by: Novaris on April 22, 2021, 01:09:16 pm
Since you seem to have a keen eye for details are there any other color changes you would recommend?
Post by: vettlingr on April 23, 2021, 06:06:22 am
The reason for the +1 skew in mephs is probably due to the addition of color eggplant a few versions back.
Post by: Novaris on April 24, 2021, 03:16:24 am
EDIT: nevermind, I overlooked the STATE_COLOR tag... doh!
Post by: Rose on April 24, 2021, 03:36:58 am
aaaand 5 minutes layer I realize that the colors are not actually being loaded by TWBT at all, they're loaded by DF's normal raw loading.
....why was this done by modifying the display color instead of the state color?
Post by: Novaris on April 24, 2021, 03:42:02 am
inorganic_stone_soil.txt for all the sand, clay and dirt for example, inorganic_stone_gem.txt for the gems etc..
Post by: Rose on April 24, 2021, 04:17:38 am
Post by: vettlingr on April 24, 2021, 02:03:38 pm
Yeah, it really should use [STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:CHOCOLATE] or similar to do this, rather than messing with the display color.
I disagree, by limiting it to the color tag, you can't specify wether the color should be used as fg or bg.
As far as I can see, the colors for gems seems to check out.
Post by: jecowa on April 24, 2021, 09:00:37 pm
There's 127 gems in the game. 83 of them are edited with customized colors in this tileset.
An interesting thing about all the gem edits is that they were also given customized background colors. I don't believe the background colors are currently used for anything in the tileset, but Meph may have had plans to add highlights to the gems using the background color. There may be evidence of this with Bloodstone (https://www.gemdat.org/gem-7616.html) being customized to use a green foreground color with a red background color.
- Morion is set to 119 Charcoal - makes sense (grey in vanilla and maybe black in real life)
- Schorl is set to 196 Silver - seems kind of bright (grey in vanilla and maybe black in real life). The background color is set to 119 Charcoal, which would make more sense. Maybe these two got flipped? I'll change it from 196:119 to 119:196.
- Lace Agate is set to 196 Silver - probably an error (blue in vanilla and in maybe in real life). 197 Skyblue is only 1 higher, and probably the intended. Even though the background color is also above 140, it looks like it is probably correct.
- Blue Jade is 112 Brown - probably an error (blue in vanilla and in real life). Guessing 118 Cerulean was intended and got confused with 12 and 18 both being multiples of 6.
- Lapis Lazuli is 100 Amber - Probably flipped with the background color 109 Blue. Amber might make sense for the highlight of Lapis Lazuli with its pyrite bits. So changing to 109:100.
- Prase is 160 Light Brown - (green in vanilla) Probably flipped with background 199 Spring Green. The Light Brown probably represents the Nickel component or something.
- Prase Opal is 142:150 Emerald:Green - (green in vanilla and real life). These colors both make sense.
- Bloodstone is 194:187 Sea Green:Red - (green in vanilla and green with red stripes in real life). These colors make sense.
- Moss Agate is 199:142 Spring Green:Emerald. This is maybe kind of bright for Moss Agate, maybe it should be flipped to 142:199 so the Emerald is the main color.
- Variscite is 162:120 Lime:Chartreuse. This seems good.
- Chrysoprase is 112:120 Brown:Chartreuse. These should probably be flipped to 120:112.
- Chrysocolla is 150:209 Green:Turquoise. Probably flip is to 209:150 so Turquoise is the main color.
- Sard is 204:116 Purple Taupe:Cardinal. Flipping it to 116:204.
- Carnelian is 112:215 Brown:out-of-range. I'm going to change 215 to 210 Vermilion then flip forground and background for 210:112
- Banded Agate is 112:170 Brown:Ochre. That's good.
- Sardonyx is 172:116 Orange:Cardinal. This is good.
- Cherry Opal is 117:116 Carmine:Cardinal. This is good.
- Lavender Jade is 150:216 Green:out-of-range. (purple in vanilla and real life). I'm going to change to 152:156 Heliotrope:Lavender
- Pink Jade is 183:136 Puce:Dark Pink. This looks good.
- Tube Agate is 111:165 Bronze:Mauve. This seems fine.
- Fire Agate is 192:163 Saffron:Mahogany. This seems good.
- Plume Agate is 170:184 Ochre:Pumpkin. The seems good.
- Brown Jasper is 112:122 Brown:Cinnamon. Seems fine.
- Picture Jasper is 114:191 Burnt Sienna:Ruse. That's probably good.
- Smoky Quartz is 174:113 Pale Brown:Buff. That's probably good.
- Amber Opal is 199:187 Spring Green:Red. Green highlights make sense. Maybe use 100:199 Amber:Spring Green.
- Gold Opal is 106:146 Azure:Gold. I'm going to make it 146:147 Gold:Golden Yellow
- Citrine is 112:147 Brown:Golden Yellow. I'm going to flip it to 147:112.
- Yellow Jasper is 172:147 Orange:Golden Yellow. That's good.
- Tigereye is 160:170 Light Brown:Ochre. That's good.
- Tiger Iron is 160:163 Light Brown:Mahogany. That's probably good.
- Sunstone is 122:210 Chocolate:Vermilion. (yellow in vanilla and anything from red to green and anything in between in real life). I'm going to flip it to 210:122
- Pyrite is 194:146 Sea Green:Gold. I'm going to flip it to 146:194.
- Clear Tourmaline is 144:159 Flax:Light Blue (white/grey in vanilla). Seems good as anything to represent clear.
- Gray Chalcedony is 149:196 Gray:Silver (white/gray in vanilla). Seems good.
- Dendritic Agate 196:212 Silver:White. Looks good.
- Bone Opal 154:135 Ivory:Dark Peach. Looks good.
- White Chalcedony 178:154 Pearl:Ivory. Looks good.
- Fortification Agate 122:213 Brown:Turquoise. white in vanilla, but brown/turquiose seems to match real life better.
- Milk Quartz 144:154 Flax:Ivory. I'm going to flip this to 154:144.
- Moonstone 178:118 Pearl:Cerulean. (white in vanilla, orange, yellow, green, blue, gray, or white in real life). This is good.
Post by: Novaris on April 25, 2021, 12:51:18 pm
Are you only checking the numbers in the color tag or also checking the state_color tag? it seems that state_color and color are not matching but the game seems to choose state_color over the color setting...
Post by: jecowa on April 25, 2021, 01:14:20 pm
Post by: Meph on April 25, 2021, 02:25:32 pm
That being said, it warms my heart seeing people working on and improving this :)
Post by: Taom on May 07, 2021, 04:55:41 am
With 1.5 version package launch getting series of of path errors:
"hack\plugins\original"
and "hack\plugins\twbt" later
(https://i.imgur.com/DGZlb6R.png)
People have same issues according to comments on dffd.
Any ideas? ::)
Post by: Novaris on May 07, 2021, 12:04:07 pm
The fix is to create a folder called "original" in the dfhack/plugin path and just copy the twbt.dll in there.
EDIT: Fixed, V1.6 removed the issue
Post by: Taom on May 07, 2021, 12:52:20 pm
Great, thank you!
Post by: hedgerow on June 06, 2021, 02:28:08 pm
Kinda sad; I don't think tile-based animations will ever be a thing. Maybe if they track coordinates on events, huh?
I really don't know; the possibilities of Fun.
Post by: lucotto on June 16, 2021, 08:52:34 am
I have a couple questions: is there a way I can zoom out without having the game to become "blurry"?
Also, is it normale some sprites (like some dwarfs or animals) are on a black background instead of "merging" with the actual background?
Post by: Meph on June 16, 2021, 09:50:03 am
Hi! First of all, thanks for your work, the tileset is amazing.Both of those are limitations of the dfhack plugin TWBT. Only way to fix it is to wait for future SteamDF releases, where I can make a tileset without TWBT.
I have a couple questions: is there a way I can zoom out without having the game to become "blurry"?
Also, is it normale some sprites (like some dwarfs or animals) are on a black background instead of "merging" with the actual background?
Post by: lucotto on June 16, 2021, 12:34:13 pm
Both of those are limitations of the dfhack plugin TWBT. Only way to fix it is to wait for future SteamDF releases, where I can make a tileset without TWBT.Uh, I see. I can't wait to play the steam game then 😄 keep up the good work
Post by: DeedsOfFlesh on July 22, 2021, 12:00:46 pm
Post by: Novaris on July 22, 2021, 12:47:56 pm
I quickly mashed it together and all I can say is that the gfx work essentially out of the box:
(https://i.ibb.co/4jPrXhV/vettlingaero.png) (https://ibb.co/30BZjgC)
I think however I found the problem: the mod defines ALL CIVS to be playable in fort mode, so its not guaranteed that you get dwarves when starting a fortress (search for SITE_CONTROLLABLE and ALL_MAIN_POPS_CONTROLLABLE in the entities files). So I guess what happened is you just didnt get a dwarven fort.
You can simply check this by starting arena mode and create a dwarven creature, it should show the correct tiles. Then simply erase the two tags from all entities but MOUNTAIN to ensure you play as dwarves. I started a fort then and indeed the tiles were no dwarves but some sort of human creature instead confirming my suspicion.
Post by: DeedsOfFlesh on July 22, 2021, 03:02:26 pm
And you're saying that i didn\t select a dwarven civilisation from embark? ill test this right now yeah.................... yep, yep, you are correct and i\m feeling extermely stupid right now :D thank you very much, man!
Can u possibly give me a guide on how to add sprites for creatures maybe, i really wanna contribute somewhere or do something atleast! My little brother is a programmer so u dont really have to go too deep in the details, i'll i guess just be adding stuff in for the missing aera mod creature sprites.... But anyway I was rushing the *test* of my dwarf forterss and completely imssed the cfact that i could've been playing a difrent civ, thank you!
Post by: Schmaven on October 05, 2021, 08:13:02 pm
I changed now (in my personal version, not the official one)
SAND_TAN to 200,
SAND_YELLOW to 144,
SAND_WHITE to 178,
SAND_BLACK to 201 and
SAND_RED to 191
and it looks brilliant :) many thanks for your color table!
Where were you able to change the color values?
For a couple versions at least, my yellow sand has been more magenta than yellow. I normally don't embark in areas with sand, so it didn't really bother me that much until I had a patch of it right at the main entry of a recent embark:
Spoiler: yellow sand (click to show/hide)
I tried changing the SAND_YELLOW values from the inorganic_stone_soil.txt file from the LNP>graphics>Meph>raw>objects directory from
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[INORGANIC:SAND_YELLOW]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SOIL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:yellow sand][DISPLAY_COLOR:145:7:0]158:7:0[TILE:141]
[SOIL][AQUIFER][SOIL_SAND]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1710] SCS = 90/5/5to[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:yellow sand][DISPLAY_COLOR:204:185:0]158:7:0[TILE:141]
and also
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:yellow sand][DISPLAY_COLOR:204:185:0]204:185:0[TILE:141]
And it remained unchanged even after generating a new world.
Spoiler: fresh yellow sand (click to show/hide)
I'm probably just too tired right now, but I looked through the LNP files a few times and didn't see much else I could tweak for how yellow sand is displayed. (My regular sand is more of a lime green, so I'd like to potentially adjust other colors too)
I was looking through the descriptor_color file, and the color codes in question there appear to be accurate when I plugged a few into paint.
Post by: Novaris on October 09, 2021, 03:40:33 am
https://ufile.io/ktiuxqbz
Post by: Schmaven on October 09, 2021, 09:40:27 am
I can share the files as I currently use them but beware, there are a few changes (like platinum being able to be turned into thread) as I modified the game in addition. But you can extract the color information.
https://ufile.io/ktiuxqbz
Thank you! I had to generate a new world for the color changes to take effect. I didn't realize before that the first number in the series was referencing the color palette. I noticed you made some changes to the second number of the 3 for a few items as well, but I don't need to get too deep into the inner workings of what does what in there.
Spoiler: Yellow sand makes sense again :) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hans Lemurson on October 13, 2021, 03:51:58 pm
I encountered a few...surprises when starting a new game:
-the embark screen is cluttered up with 20 different breeds of dogs (making menu navigation a pain),
-gold is a weapons-grade metal,
-sheep-leather is now...sheep fur?
I thought this was just a graphics set, but apparently there are some mods installed by default?
Any way to fix these changes? Any other surprises I should be aware of? I'd been hoping to just play a normal game, but be able to enjoy Meph's graphics in their full beautiful glory.
Post by: Schmaven on October 13, 2021, 04:45:50 pm
Having been annoyed by the imperfect version of this tileset provided by the Newb Pack, I downloaded the latest Meph launcher.
I encountered a few...surprises when starting a new game:
-the embark screen is cluttered up with 20 different breeds of dogs (making menu navigation a pain),
-gold is a weapons-grade metal,
-sheep-leather is now...sheep fur?
I thought this was just a graphics set, but apparently there are some mods installed by default?
Any way to fix these changes? Any other surprises I should be aware of? I'd been hoping to just play a normal game, but be able to enjoy Meph's graphics in their full beautiful glory.
Despite the issues with the LNP version of the tileset, I still think it's the most graphically pleasing 1 to use. I think the Meph launcher also has changes to allow tapestry style decorations too, and likely other bits that I'm not aware of, so it might be easier to try and extract the tileset from the launcher rather than convert the launcher to a pure tileset. Although if it's just vanilla-izing the animals / materials arrays, but leaving the other modifications modified, that might be the simplest option.
Post by: Novaris on October 14, 2021, 02:51:59 pm
Gold became a weapon material as alternative to silver afaik, not generally lore-friendly I'd agree but not that much of an issue.
As for the naming: Meph's mod also include taffer's "DF Revised" mod, see here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161832.0
It changes how skin and fur is referred to and what animals yield what. Also body templates are changed.
If you "only" want to playt the tileset without the changes, download the barebone edition from the main post instead.
Post by: Hans Lemurson on October 14, 2021, 03:38:27 pm
I do actually think that some of the changes are fine, it's just that I was worried that there might be some other surprises lurking in the raws. I didn't want to run into some show-stopping annoyances after having committed to a fort.
In the raws, inorganic_metal.txt did have some lines at the end of gold saying: NO_DECORATIONS!ITEMS_WEAPON]
Does this mean that if the "decorations" mod is off, that gold will be weapons-grade? Or am I reading that backwards?
Post by: Novaris on October 14, 2021, 03:59:19 pm
You'd have to ask Meph why this is tied to the decorations extension :D
Post by: Hans Lemurson on October 22, 2021, 03:59:37 am
This took me down a rabbit-hole to discussions earlier in this thread pointing out that color-errors are strewn throughout the materials!
Materials are assigned colors based on a number that points to a list of colors in alphabetical order? :o
That seems like a system just asking to break...and apparently it did.
Hmm...I'd been wondering why I had blue fire-opals...
Jecowa did a good job of documenting this and proposing a lot of fixes. I can in principle just modify the color info in my raws, but is it possible to actually fix this for the Graphics Mod as a whole? I know Meph is busy with important stuff.
Other question related to the mod: My materials list is littered with entries like "NSEW Table", but I was sure I'd turned decorations off. Is there any way to fix this in my current save? I'd hate to lose it to raws corruption, but it also makes "cut gem" orders very annoying.
Post by: Novaris on October 23, 2021, 02:13:17 am
As for the updates I would suggest posting this in the official tileset subforum as a feature suggestion, I am sure Meph will see it and react to it there.
Post by: Meph on October 23, 2021, 07:12:47 am
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Other question related to the mod: My materials list is littered with entries like "NSEW Table", but I was sure I'd turned decorations off. Is there any way to fix this in my current save? I'd hate to lose it to raws corruption, but it also makes "cut gem" orders very annoying.
Unfortunately you'd have to delete the raw entries to get rid of those. Which would require a new save game. :/
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As for the updates I would suggest posting this in the official tileset subforum as a feature suggestion, I am sure Meph will see it and react to it there.
I'm not here as often as previously, still waiting like everyone else for the Steam release. If I would have known from the start how long it would be, I would have updated the tileset and mod more often ^^
Post by: Novaris on October 23, 2021, 02:03:38 pm
I'm not here as often as previously, still waiting like everyone else for the Steam release. If I would have known from the start how long it would be, I would have updated the tileset and mod more often ^^
Does this mean we can expect some updates in the near future? :P
Post by: vettlingr on November 04, 2021, 10:47:56 am
Otherwise I've fixed a lot of issues with child and adult sprites being the same size, sprites for zombies etc. I could post a pack here when I get the time. I would need to remove my own outline that my tileset uses, but that is in a separate layer in gimp so easy enough.
also, hello meph, long time no see ;)
Cheers
Post by: Novaris on November 04, 2021, 04:22:50 pm
Post by: vettlingr on November 05, 2021, 09:16:40 pm
If you do I can compile a alternate version of the pack and add it to the download. I would love to see the new version you came up withYou may find it interesting to include something like this too.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179206.msg8326776#msg8326776
I'm going to run it once per save and it fixes a lot of the new graphic stuff in 47.xx
Post by: Novaris on November 05, 2021, 09:48:35 pm
Post by: Meph on November 14, 2021, 02:46:39 am
Vettlingr I did answer your PM, but just be very clear: You are absolutely correct, I do use Denzis bones and nice bone-color-palettes that I found online. Both of which are free to be used according to their license. In my own, free, non-commercial tileset.It is an impossibility that all are free-to-distribute licenses, maybe these two are, but I have looked over others which I know are not.
Also I know that you didn't draw anything yourself in your tileset, everything is ripped, stripped or jumbled/mishmashed together.
If Everything is from free licenses and nothing is original content:
It is not your work and it is not your tileset.
You can even claim it so don't even try
I think it would be better to continue this discussion here.
Just going to say that there is original content in there, but they main aim of this tileset was to give players the opportunity to play with Obsidian Souls and Dibujors 32x32 sprites. And there is a lot under the hood, with modding, that's original content from my end. It's not just the pretty pictures, which I prefer to take from open-source sites instead of drawing them myself (because it's quite frankly much less work and the quality is higher than if I do them myself), but it's about giving players accessability to those pretty pictures. Bugfixing and playtesting and wrangling with dfhack and twbt to get everything working in DF.
Post by: Meph on November 14, 2021, 02:53:26 am
The quote myself from the opening post:
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The Meph tileset is the first graphical 32x32 tileset for Dwarf Fortress. It was born from my research about tilesets, finding old, abandoned 24x and 32x sprites by Dibujor and Obsidian Soul, both inactive since 2015. I thought that their sprites are too good to waste and started with them as a basis for a new tileset.
This tileset also uses some of Utkonos 24x creatures sprites for monsters, upscaled and smoothed to 32x, and a few of Dorens 24x machinery tiles. Thank you both! About 600 of the creatures are newly done in 32x. Vordak was so kind to make a new dwarf-spritesheet for this set, which is now included as well.
Or this one:
I made only about half the sprites myself, the other half I took from open-source/creative-commons material. The largest credit deserves Denzi.
Original artwork by:QuoteCopyright/Attribution Notice:
DENZI部屋のドット絵フリー素材は、クリエイティブ・コモンズ・ライセンス (http://www3.wind.ne.jp/DENZI/diary/) に基づいて公開しています。 （CC-by SA 表示-継承） https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ --- Medicine's crappy translation: "DENZI Room's pixel art (published at http://www3.wind.ne.jp/DENZI/diary/) is free material under the Creative Commons license (CC-BY-SA attribution, share alike) https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"QuoteOpenGameArt.orgQuotewww.spriters-resource.comQuoteStormbolts Angband Creature SetQuoteStephen "Redshrike" ChallenerQuoteJorge BF @ jbfproject
Post by: vettlingr on November 14, 2021, 03:56:11 am
Wow, I will definetly! Thanks!For the time being, i prohibit any of my content or derived content to be used with this mismatched "compilation" of tiles.
I have looked over the credits for this and the result is
Beyond abysmal.
I'm at a loss, since I have never seen anything this bad
Not only are there credits missing, the authors own original tiles are also non-existant.
99% of this "set" is borrowed from other sources. I guess it was only a matter of time til I found out.
In all my years of sprite artistry I have never seen anything that is close to this magnitude
It is impossible that all the sources I have accumulated from this have a free-to-distribute or a patreon-donation license. I've actually found a few that would not allow it.
Absolute madness.
It's entirely possible that I missed giving credit to some sprites, because there are a lot, but usually I'm quite clear about where I got the sprites from.
The quote myself from the opening post:QuoteThe Meph tileset is the first graphical 32x32 tileset for Dwarf Fortress. It was born from my research about tilesets, finding old, abandoned 24x and 32x sprites by Dibujor and Obsidian Soul, both inactive since 2015. I thought that their sprites are too good to waste and started with them as a basis for a new tileset.
This tileset also uses some of Utkonos 24x creatures sprites for monsters, upscaled and smoothed to 32x, and a few of Dorens 24x machinery tiles. Thank you both! About 600 of the creatures are newly done in 32x. Vordak was so kind to make a new dwarf-spritesheet for this set, which is now included as well.
Or this one:I made only about half the sprites myself, the other half I took from open-source/creative-commons material. The largest credit deserves Denzi.
Original artwork by:QuoteCopyright/Attribution Notice:
DENZI部屋のドット絵フリー素材は、クリエイティブ・コモンズ・ライセンス (http://www3.wind.ne.jp/DENZI/diary/) に基づいて公開しています。 （CC-by SA 表示-継承） https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ --- Medicine's crappy translation: "DENZI Room's pixel art (published at http://www3.wind.ne.jp/DENZI/diary/) is free material under the Creative Commons license (CC-BY-SA attribution, share alike) https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"QuoteOpenGameArt.orgQuotewww.spriters-resource.comQuoteStormbolts Angband Creature SetQuoteStephen "Redshrike" ChallenerQuoteJorge BF @ jbfproject
How does this even come close to being sufficent?? You are a developer, you have to be more professional than this!
Stormbolts Angband Creature Set - can't find it.
Which part of spriters-resource? because I sure can't find it.
Jorge BF @ jbfproject - Who/What is this?
Stephen "Redshrike" Challener - Which tiles?
Also there is still a lot missing.
You have to understand that this is your credability on the line. Not only is it extremely unclear what you actually did yourself. Recolours, refurbisments usually does not count. All your sprite sheet are jumbled as far as creators go with up towards ten different artists on each sheet, the only artist that consistently always seems to be missing is you. You shouldn't have your name anywhere near this.
I have actually been able to track down nearly all of your source material. And there are no tiles so far in this set that I can confirm even being made by you. EVERYTHING is the work of someone else.
And none of this even comes close how you have been basking in the work and talent of others while not doing anything yourself.
I've had to revise all my credits as well, but I am not going to leave you out when I update; because I know you did not make any of it. I may have to take down my tileset because of you.
I don't fancy you wiggling out of this. You have other similar controversies to your name. Figure people would learn after the first time?
While we are at it, may I remind you of the times you attempted to copy me??
https://preview.redd.it/si2ve19ui1571.gif?format=mp4&s=e9a4ba086feaf3047c0126aaf9637a736c554e62
https://i.redd.it/6sjafscr3au31.png
I thought it was fun and cute when you did it, but now I have never been more disgusted. Are you really that uncreative?
Instead of trying to salvage a sinking chip you could help me by telling me where these sprites come from:
(https://i.postimg.cc/MGdgc7pn/Stone.png)
but usually I'm quite clear about where I got the sprites from.You got me fooled, most of reddit fooled and seems like you got toady and kitfox fooled too
Post by: Meph on November 14, 2021, 04:23:46 am
Dibujor for the oven. As seen in the opening post of this tileset, the entire set is based on his and obsidian souls sprites. The wall, I don't remember. Probably a single tile from a 32x32 minecraft tileset, which I used as a base for the 16 variants above.
https://i.redd.it/6sjafscr3au31.png => That reddit post has your name in the title. As in "look, vettlingr-style walls".
https://preview.redd.it/si2ve19ui1571.gif?format=mp4&s=e9a4ba086feaf3047c0126aaf9637a736c554e62 => That's made by me, and I did lots of variations of that; the only thing it has in common with your set is that it has a light-color line on the top and uses a similar perspective. Than again, so do all 2.5D walls. I was looking at how prison architect and rimworld was doing walls when I drew those.
If you feel so strongly about it, I'll take the tileset down. I wouldn't want this to reflect in any way negatively to Tarns Steam release.
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You are a developer, you have to be more professional than this!No, I'm not. I'm a random dude who made some mods and hacked together sprites to work with TWBT in my free time.
Edit: Hope you are happier now.
Post by: Novaris on November 14, 2021, 05:08:09 pm
Post by: vettlingr on November 14, 2021, 07:50:08 pm
Edit: Hope you are happier now.No, I am not happy. The only thing that would make me happy is if I didn't have to do any of this in the first place.
Post by: Ergzay on November 14, 2021, 10:14:27 pm
Edit: Hope you are happier now.No, I am not happy. The only thing that would make me happy is if I didn't have to do any of this in the first place.
Thanks for ruining things for everyone.
Post by: Matrim_Cauthon on November 14, 2021, 10:59:08 pm
Good, wallow in misery.Edit: Hope you are happier now.No, I am not happy. The only thing that would make me happy is if I didn't have to do any of this in the first place.
There was a way to handle this with a good outcome, several. You decided to take the destructive route here over a hobby mod release not having perfect attribution. Meph has been straightforward and upfront about it's status and has shown nothing but good faith.
Enjoy the scorn of the community.
Post by: vettlingr on November 15, 2021, 12:37:11 am
Good, wallow in misery.Edit: Hope you are happier now.No, I am not happy. The only thing that would make me happy is if I didn't have to do any of this in the first place.
There was a way to handle this with a good outcome, several. You decided to take the destructive route here over a hobby mod release not having perfect attribution. Meph has been straightforward and upfront about it's status and has shown nothing but good faith.
Enjoy the scorn of the community.
this is well warranted and long overdue. 0% original content and uncredited sources and confirmed art theft should not be taken lightly.
He is not straightforward, he is deflecting and vague, a trait that put him in this mess.
I will gladly embrace any scorn from any community member who endorses credit theft and license violation.
Other people who have distributing this may also be libel because of the non-redistribution licensed textures it includes.
Post by: Cloughmonster on November 15, 2021, 04:18:25 am
This graphic pack always claimed to be an amalgamation of other people's work. What Meph did was bring this together into one package that allowed people with more limited skills, such as myself, to access a comprehensive Tileset.
In short, it enhanced my enjoyment of a game I played. It was a fan project created for consumption by other fans.
Some sprites may not be properly accredited. I honestly don't know what the referencing standards for this are, though by looking at your own tileset I see very little difference. Such is the state of free fan creations in general. You have obviously looked into where many of this came from, but instead of using the information to provide credit and improve this tileset, you have instead focused on the possibility some aren't licenced for this use, yet have provided no evidence regarding this.
As for your claim that this reflects poorly on the commercial release, ridiculous. To draw conclusions about a commercial project based on an old community project is inane. As for others being liable (what I assume you mean by libel) that is frankly ridiculous and you yourself would be just as heavily liable, perhaps more so given you obviously believe the work to be discredited yet still use it.
Now, this is gone, a piece of the continued history of Dwarf fortress has been removed from circulation due to your accusations. Did you decide that if you weren't the tallest tree in the forest of creators that you'd chop down those taller than yourself instead of growing?
I will miss this pack, but at least you got to burn the community and feel like you are some moral crusader.
Post by: vettlingr on November 15, 2021, 05:00:28 am
Vettlingr,That because my tileset does not use textures with a non-redistribution license behind a 25$ paywall. such as the ones meph must have procured from Celianna. Its proof he did swipe sprites outside of any creative commons too
Some sprites may not be properly accredited. I honestly don't know what the referencing standards for this are, though by looking at your own tileset I see very little difference. Such is the state of free fan creations in general. You have obviously looked into where many of this came from, but instead of using the information to provide credit and improve this tileset, you have instead focused on the possibility some aren't licenced for this use, yet have provided no evidence regarding this.
Full license:
"Can only be used in RPG Maker VX and RPG Maker VX Ace, and in NO other game engine. Can not be redistributed or sold as-is. Can be edited however you want. Edits cannot be redistributed. Only for non-commercial usage. For commercial usage, visit the products tab to buy a commercial license."
This author is not credited at all.
You need to understand, that if there is a few knicks and knacks in the credits, that is usually alright. But when a lot of authors are completly omitted in a tleset with 0% original content. You have a whole nother issue.
So far I've gotten
Neorice would like you to know that not crediting him is theft and wants his assets removed.
Cheynezz says that by not crediting her in the finished product, you are committing theft of her assets and wants them removed.
>that is frankly ridiculous and you yourself would be just as heavily libel
Which is why I am outraged, what did you figure??
All you trying to paint me as a villain will only bring more fuel to the fire. This had to be taken down because:
1. I found license violations.
2. I found uncredited work.
3. it lacks original content.
4. It is impossible to account for all sprites.
Post by: voliol on November 15, 2021, 06:35:39 am
Post by: Novaris on November 15, 2021, 03:47:18 pm
But please, don't give vettlingr a hard time for pointing out a mistake in the creation of the tileset. His course of action has merit and, instead of just spilling his guts in the forum, he got first in touch with Meph and myself so we can set the proper actions, which I respect. There may be the possibility to re-open the downloads if we ever figure out all the sources and remove the "not-essential" parts of the tileset which may be controversial, like the additional decorations which really does include art that is not free to use. However, as Meph stated, he does not have time for this as he is working on the Steam release so the future of this tileset lays in the dark.
That said, still I appreciate vettlingr reaching out to me as this may as well have saved my ass from a potential copyright claim so you have my gratitude for this.
To say it the dwarven way:
Vettlingr smashes the download of the Meph tileset with his valid claims.
The download of the Mepth tileset gives into the pain.
... but it may not have died yet ;)
Post by: Rose on November 15, 2021, 06:12:18 pm
Post by: Enemy post on November 15, 2021, 10:01:42 pm
Post by: jecowa on November 15, 2021, 11:06:44 pm
I was thinking, the really significant part of the Meph Tileset isn't necessarily the artwork that can't be used, but the underlying code. Could the pack be remade with the same code, but clean art?
I think there's other packs that do that. Meph's tileset is very comprehensive, so it's often used as a template for new ones.
What parts of it?
I don't know what all parts, but I noticed the brazier, gold floor, and background of the wooden stairs were all part of it. The brazier and gold floor tiles, however, are only used with the modded content portion of Meph's tileset, and are unused in vanilla, so those can be safely deleted for users playing vanilla. And the wooden stairs could be adjusted to not use that background. The biggest hurdle in attempting to remove non-free tiles is figuring out which tiles are non-free.
Post by: Meph on November 16, 2021, 02:47:48 am
I talked to Neorice, who is very understanding, partly since he did similar things when he started out doing pixelart.
The code behind it is all me; or by people that wanted their mods in here, like the dogs by brolol.404; or that were requested by players and given with permission by the author, like the Revised mod.
A large amount of sprites are exclusively for modded content. I used Roses building-change script to change sprites on buildings. Technically it changes the building, but hey, it worked. That's most of the sprites that are apparantly only for rpg maker stuff that I put in there in 2016. So if you do a vanilla tileset without the mod content; you automatically get rid of most of that.
The vanilla DF creatures are mostly Obsidian Soul/Dibujor, used with permission, with me having done the zombie variants and all the profession/noble variants.
I'm not sure if it's worth it to salvage it using TWBT right now. It will be much easier to make a tileset like this once the SteamDF version is out. Than again, I've been saying that for years, which is weird.
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this tileset removed for the momentIt's not for the moment as far as I'm concerned. Me from today and me from several years ago wouldn't do things the same way. If I were to recreate this tileset, it would be from scratch. Like I did when I redid MasterworkDF from scratch when DF migrated from v.34.11.
Post by: ldog on November 16, 2021, 07:39:21 pm
Good, wallow in misery.Edit: Hope you are happier now.No, I am not happy. The only thing that would make me happy is if I didn't have to do any of this in the first place.
There was a way to handle this with a good outcome, several. You decided to take the destructive route here over a hobby mod release not having perfect attribution. Meph has been straightforward and upfront about it's status and has shown nothing but good faith.
Enjoy the scorn of the community.
Yeah, really. What a douche. This is non-commercial usage.
Post by: Meph on November 17, 2021, 12:40:24 am
Post by: Rubik on November 17, 2021, 01:50:10 pm
Good, wallow in misery.Edit: Hope you are happier now.No, I am not happy. The only thing that would make me happy is if I didn't have to do any of this in the first place.
There was a way to handle this with a good outcome, several. You decided to take the destructive route here over a hobby mod release not having perfect attribution. Meph has been straightforward and upfront about it's status and has shown nothing but good faith.
Enjoy the scorn of the community.
Yeah, really. What a douche. This is non-commercial usage.
I mean you are aware meph has a patreon right?
the reaction of some people here is rather funny
You just have to laugh at stuff like ''enjoy the scorn of the community'', for example.
I think you'd all be surprised at how many people are of the same opinion as vettlingr but chose not to comment about it for peace's sake here
I for once barely use my account for posting, but Im a long time lurker, as many people
There definitely is a lot of people that love meph's content, it's expansive and overwhelming, just like the essence of DF when you think about it. but more than one person has been unhappy with how he deals with art made by other people, and...well that he has a patreon based, profiting from that
After all, you could find your way of using a shitton of mods at the same time, painstaikingly, without the use of a launcher, but you can't play modded content without the modded content itself, and that was made, atleast partially for someone else
if you ask for permission and get it? well who cares really, he's in the clear
has he got permission from everyone he has used content from though? and to profit from that on top of all that?
it is serious matters when you ponder about it
Post by: vettlingr on November 18, 2021, 02:03:34 pm
I would like you to know that I have been working on an index that could help reclaim a some of this tileset. I have also been in contact with many of the artists that were uncredited, and have gotten permission to use their tiles if their credits are easily accessible and present. Rebuilding this is by no means an easy task. One suggestion is to scale down, the other is to rebuild from the ground up.
What gets a bit iffy is whether edits of some sprites are allowed, usually edits are quite difficult to credit, especially when they are stitched together with parts from another tileset from another author by another author. It's often necessary to edit some borrowed assets, usually recoulors or strctural textures, to make them "fit" better with the rest. Example
Wooden walls by Hyptosis
Fungal walls made from Wooden walls by hyptosis edited with parts from ? and ? by ?? ?
There are way too many issues like the example above.
Some features may have to go, others replaced. And there are still a lot of tiles I cannot find, mainly from The-spriters-resource. I have no idea how to go about it, unless there are some of you who can recognise sprites from old games.
You should know that I did not act out of my own accord alone. A lot of people have confided in me with similar views with varying degrees of severity. While I believe the truth lies somewhere inbetween, there are a lot of points and issues that causes the kettle to blow over. I won't go over the reasons here, as it would ruin the point of this post.
I have a few suggestions that will help benefit all parties to make sure that this will not happen in the future.
- It's my opinion that Community driven content containing 3rd party assets should not be under the flag of a single author. A simple rename to "DF Community Tileset" would solve a lot, and would even encourage contributors. This also fixes the OC issue, as it will be regarded as a collaboration.
- Try to keep single artists assets to separate sprite sheets, otherwise indexing sprites turns into bureaucracy.
- Easily accessible Credits containing artists name, name of asset, artists website and where the asset is found.
- Updates and promotions should contain links to source material.
- Edits are a can of worms. I have no idea how to go about it, and neither does the broader consensus. I would like to propose a temporary solution where edits are listed in separate edit credits.
There is a plurality of wonderful assets across RPG maker, minecraft communities and other similar gaming communities you sometimes can use freely if everything is attributed right. I can't stress enough how beneficial it is to keep a good register of assets once you get the hang of it. Not only does it do the artist justice, it is also easier to look up new assets one would like to use in the future. Keep in mind that certain artist permissions for RPG maker may be problematic however (https://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?threads/resource-pack-licensing-and-use.35992/)
I'd like to propose a core with Obsidian Soul, Dibujor and Vordak, extended with Denzi and Dokucraft.
Furthermore, I have heard back from a few authors that will make an exception if credited properly.
Note that this is probably by no means the entirety of artists, but only some of them I was able to identify.
Full list of uncredited Authors (not limited to)
Hyptosis
- Wooden walls, fungal walls (edit), marble walls (edit)
Website (https://hyptosis.newgrounds.com/)
Anevis/Ceynez
- Armors and weapons
Old Deviantart (https://www.deviantart.com/anevis)
New Deviantart (https://www.deviantart.com/caynez)
I'm sure you know Neorice by now
- Birds and food among others.
Website (http://www.neorice.com)
Clint Bellinger
- Gems
Website (http://clintbellanger.net/)
Redshrike as mentioned earller
- Subterrainean creatures mostly
Ivan Voriol
- Hedges
And possibly others
Rpg Maker Artists (see caveat above)
Ayene-chan
- a lot of the paved tiles
Candy Coded Response
- Acts from a RPG maker VX ace license.
PandaMaru
- Sphinx
Celianna etc. -remove
And possibly others
Other games
Walls from Warcraft II
Clay walls from Prison Architect
And possibly others, castlevania??
If someone would like to take up the mantle and untangle this and salvage what can be, this should help get you started.
I would prefer minimal involvement from my own side, although I can provide some advice, pointers and a few tricks, but I intend to take a long break now until I can figure out what to make out of all of this.
I'll throw in a few parting words:
Meph, you are great at raw editing, modding and all that. I am ever thankful and grateful for all your help, advice and tricks you've taught me. But god I wish you could credit properly and consistently! You have lots of things to be proud of that are way more significant than being a tileset 'genius', you've been all over the world, and experienced more than most people would do in a lifetime. That being said, I'm still incredibly confounded to what to make out of all of this.
Post by: Meph on November 18, 2021, 06:16:59 pm
Hyptosis walls: Those I got from here: https://opengameart.org/content/lots-of-free-2d-tiles-and-sprites-by-hyptosis
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Anevis/CaynezAnevis! I did ask and got permission from them for the armor/weapon sets. May 16, 2018, on Deviantart. I first posted a mock-up with them here, and after it worked, approached them: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161047.msg7752332;topicseen#msg7752332 Though I never did send them another message after that first one, since I only made a deviantart account to write them once.
- Armors and weapons
I don't have anything from Prison Architect in there. Warcraft II yeah, which I did mention multiple times, including:
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Credits: The flux walls, just like to upcoming obsidian walls, are from Blizzards Warcraft Il. All rights reserved. I hope they don't mind me using these 23 year old sprites, since I do love Warcraft Il and its style.
Which is a great example for you, about how much I know about licensing or how much people here cared. I just said "I hope this is fine, lets do this!" and those sprites have been in the tileset from 2017 on and no one did bat an eyelash at that fact, even though I explicitily mentioned 7 times in this thread that those are from Warcraft II. Plus a couple of times on Reddit.
Castlevania.... Not sure, I don't think so.If yes, then not intentional. But there is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, a Spiderman/Megaman homage, Legend of Zelda:A link to the past, Lufia II, and of course the Narwhal from https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/484667 All intentionally put in as little easter eggs for people to stumble over because I like the original medium or because people might find it amusing. Sponge-men are literally Spongebob. And the hedgehog-men... Sonic. It's not like I've been subtle about it. Those pop up in webcomics, pop culture and satire all the time.
The rpgmaker things are almost exclusively for modded content like decorations. It's easy to remove them without affecting the rest of the tileset.
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I'll throw in a few parting words:... Thanks... I guess? I mean, thank you, it's clear that you are much calmer now and not as super confrontational as a few days ago. I just never took licencing seriously, hence why nothing I created for DF over the roughly 2000h of work and 9 years of time, is behind a paywall; and why all my mods are free to be used and taken apart by anyone. I couldn't fathom why it would be bad to take stuff from Google or opengameart. After all, they were images that anyone can access and download; and this is a mod that anyone can access and download. At the beginning I didn't think any further than that.
Meph, you are great at raw editing, modding and all that. I am ever thankful and grateful for all your help, advice and tricks you've taught me. But god I wish you could credit properly and consistently! You have lots of things to be proud of that are way more significant than being a tileset 'genius', you've been all over the world, and experienced more than most people would do in a lifetime. That being said, I'm still incredibly confounded to what to make out of all of this.
If it helps you understand how I came to that stupid idea of including things without licence (or rather to not even spend a thought about checking a licence in the first place): I once wrote a game developer directly. Real company with a very successful game, because I wanted to make a tileset using their art assets. They wrote me a very nice email back, saying that yes, I can use the assets, under one condition. And here is the kicker: That condition was to NOT give credit. They literally told me that they are fine with me using the art; but they can't condone that officially, so I should just use it, don't tell anyone I got the permission, and ignore everyone who told me that I'll get sued, because only the developers could sue me and they told me that they wouldn't. Essentially they said "as a company we can't allow that, but as private people we think it's cool, go for it".
I never ended up making that specific tileset because I was too busy, but... yeah. I know three game devs: Tarn/Bay12, a free game with a modding community that borrows from each other all the time; that company described above; and Kitfox, who hired me to make a tileset even after I told them that I'm not a pixel artist and that it's just a hobby for me, with them unable to use my tileset since it's based on sprites by someone else.
That, plus the near 100k downloads/5years without anyone caring about the sprites used. Like I said in a post earlier, it never occured to me that it's a big deal, I thought that it technically exists but is not enforced or cared about much, like jaywalking. This is not intended as an excuse, just an explanation that might help you understand my point of view.
Post by: Putnam on November 21, 2021, 03:34:41 am
I'd kinda describe it as sad but not unexpected, but it's not really the same nature as the masterwork-related drama, because Dwarf Fortress raws are far less clear in their copyright status than art. As best I can tell, since the source is the work, it's kinda enforced open source, but the raw files include a license now (which is basically an uber-basic "i waive all rights") for a reason, and I license all my own raws similarly for the same reason, which is that ambiguity is very bad. But first you have to knowthat, I guess.
Post by: Cruxador on November 22, 2021, 07:12:49 pm
That, plus the near 100k downloads/5years without anyone caring about the sprites used. Like I said in a post earlier, it never occured to me that it's a big deal, I thought that it technically exists but is not enforced or cared about much, like jaywalking. This is not intended as an excuse, just an explanation that might help you understand my point of view.Five years ago, that viewpoint was more true than it is today, and five years prior it was more true still. The world changes as we get older, and the internet is changing too.
That said, I definitely encountered people (talking in more relaxed settings than bay12forums) who felt a bit sour at the level of respect you showed to other people's work even several years ago.
Post by: stroppycarpet on November 23, 2021, 05:39:24 am
That because my tileset does not use textures with a non-redistribution license behind a 25$ paywall. such as the ones meph must have procured from Aurora R. Its proof he did swipe sprites outside of any creative commons too
Full license:
"Can only be used in RPG Maker VX and RPG Maker VX Ace, and in NO other game engine. Can not be redistributed or sold as-is. Can be edited however you want. Edits cannot be redistributed. Only for non-commercial usage. For commercial usage, visit the products tab to buy a commercial license."
This author is not credited at all.
Who is Aurora R? Do they have a link to a shop? What sprite of theirs was copied? Out of all the accusations this is the most pressing one. I would say that at this point you have an obligation to the community to back up this claim. Regardless of whether the tileset was taken down.
Post by: Ergzay on November 23, 2021, 01:19:15 pm
Post by: ANickel on November 23, 2021, 01:24:29 pm
"Can only be used in RPG Maker VX and RPG Maker VX Ace, and in NO other game engine. Can not be redistributed or sold as-is. Can be edited however you want. Edits cannot be redistributed. Only for non-commercial usage. For commercial usage, visit the products tab to buy a commercial license."
Post by: gchristopher on November 24, 2021, 02:35:51 am
- Was upfront and admitted a mistake, even belatedly
- Respectful and considerate communication
- Taking steps to correct the issue, even if it's huge effort, instead of vitriol or rage quitting
Umm, this is still the internet, right? I'm confused, because this isn't how the internet is supposed to go...
My reaction was to join Meph's patreon just now.
Post by: Meph on November 24, 2021, 03:42:28 am
These are in _Meph_decorations.png: https://pixanna.nl/materials/celiannas-parallax-tiles/interior-tiles/ I think this is what he was referring to when he mentioned the RPGmaker tiles. I really doubt Meph paid the $30 just to use those sprites that are present there. https://i.imgur.com/agYxqPO.png The terms of use are right up at the top in clear font:Right... the thing is, I'd have to visit her website to read all that. Like I said multiple times, I made the mistake of starting out by just taking pictures from google image search, right-click, save. Which is why I didn't knew any of the licencing or even some of the names Vettlingr posted earlier. Over the time I noticed licencing and started posting credits and sources. The issues arise because I didnt retroactively remove the old stuff from 2016/17 after I learned that.
"Can only be used in RPG Maker VX and RPG Maker VX Ace, and in NO other game engine. Can not be redistributed or sold as-is. Can be edited however you want. Edits cannot be redistributed. Only for non-commercial usage. For commercial usage, visit the products tab to buy a commercial license."
Ergzay: It's the internet. I can't and won't argue with the internet, nothing good comes of it. Regardless of how well I'd defend myself, I was in the wrong, and it's reasonable to take the tileset down. The kitfox thing I won't discuss in public because they requested that, but obviously the situation sucks for everyone involved.
Edit: I'm not sure if I should leave this thread open... the tileset is gone. Do you guys want to keep discussing things here?
Post by: Novaris on November 24, 2021, 04:55:04 am
I vote to close it.
Post by: Raul on November 24, 2021, 11:12:55 am
Post by: Taffer on November 26, 2021, 12:43:50 am
To be clear I'm referring very specifically to the raw file edits here, I agree with vettlingr about the art.
Post by: Meph on November 30, 2021, 07:49:52 am