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Title: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game. Remake on Kickstarter
Post by: Draco18s on December 04, 2010, 07:45:30 pm
So I did a quick search and it looks like Pathologic has been only mentioned five times in this forum's history.  I'll start off with the synopsis stolen from Wikipedia.

The game is about three people who are known mostly by their nicknames. Two men the Bachelor and Haruspex, and a girl nicknamed Devotress, each of whom tries to uncover the source of a strange lethal sickness that befalls a small town. Although you can play as each of them, there is only one storyline, which is seen from different points of view depending upon the chosen character. Some of the secrets can be uncovered only by the consecutive playing of each character. Every day you receive quests from NPCs and at exactly midnight of each day, the incomplete quests are erased from your notebook. Quests are divided into main missions (one per day, which decide if a major character will die), and side quests to complete to earn money and items.

The game is downright creepy to the point at which all of the faceless nobodies wandering the town have a burlap ragdoll for their portrait when you talk with them.  Your told that this is how you can tell the major characters apart from the minor characters.  Not to mention the Stagehands (skinny guys dressed in black with a faceless white mask) and Birdmen, both of whom exist only to provide you some insight into the game as a game and otherwise "play no role."

Combat is deadly, to the point at which you're forced to make a choice between killing a street bum to steal his rags to bind a gaping wound in your side or using your own meager supplies to heal him to raise your reputation (if it falls too low the town stops trusting you, calls you a fraud, and tries to kill you).

The Bachelor arrives in the town to meet with the town's oldest living relative, said to be over 200 years old to find that he (and anyone who knows anything about the murder(s)) have been murdered the night before.
Haruspex arrives in the town, summoned by his father, only to find that he's been accused of murdering his father, the oldest living person in the town.  He starts wounded and with no reputation, and basically no supplies (though you can harvest the organs of your two assailants if you want to--supposedly someone in town will pay money for them).
The Devotress is locked until you complete the game with one of the two men, though what I know is that she meets with the eldest man just before he's murdered.  She also heals people with magic (which may or may not be powered by small children) and may or may not have slain the old man.

There's one point early on where you discover that the town's children have been playing Hospital with each other, injecting each other with substances (the kids who stop moving lose the game, why do they stop moving?) to find out which drugs make them feel better.  As a friend of mine exclaimed, "None of them!  These are hard drugs!  They're all bad!  Stop it and give me those!"

Oh, and did I mention that there's a time limit?  Yes, the game ends in 12 days whether you like it or not.  And you can die from hunger and exhaustion too.

Link to the game's site (http://www.pathologic-game.com/eng_index.htm).
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: drips on December 04, 2010, 07:56:03 pm
I had Pathologic installed a while back, never got all that far into it. Think I'll reinstall and give it another shot.

For those who're wondering, the game was made by Ice-Pick Lodge, the same people who gave us The Void (aka Tension/Typrop), which was a game I enjoyed quite a bit.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: fenrif on December 04, 2010, 08:12:51 pm
This looks similar to a game that I played a while ago... I wouldn't be surprised if it is infact the same game. I remember installing it because loads of people were raving about how awesome it was, only to be horribly dissapointed with the translation. So much so that I only played for about an hour and promptly uninstalled it.

So I guess my question is: What's the translation like?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: 0x517A5D on December 04, 2010, 09:13:43 pm
I've never played it, and never will, but I utterly loved Quinn's writeup at RPS (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/).  It wasn't a review (though some are linked), but more of a meta-analysis and love letter.


@fenrif, the translation is horrible, and the voice acting is appalling and notorious for it.  The developers admit this.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: buckets on December 04, 2010, 09:34:18 pm
I've heard about this before, and I've been interested in it for a while.

But what 0x517A5D is saying about the translation stops me in my tracks. Pity :(
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 04, 2010, 09:51:56 pm
I've heard about this before, and I've been interested in it for a while.

But what 0x517A5D is saying about the translation stops me in my tracks. Pity :(

It's not unreadable, its just less than ideal.
At least, so far as I've seen.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: x2yzh9 on December 04, 2010, 10:05:10 pm
Where in the world do I buy this game?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 05, 2010, 01:09:16 am
Russia, actually.

Also Direct 2 Drive (http://www.direct2drive.com/6405/product/Buy-Pathologic-Download) and Gamer's Gate (http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-PATH/pathologic).  Looks to be $15 in both places.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on December 05, 2010, 01:26:52 am
I wish I could make my own point and click horror game. But you know... the whole lack of talent thing...

Is this the sort of Horror game that is subtle? Where things either slowly build, even to the point of seeming perfectly normal, or at least where everything is non-agressive?
-Phantasmagoria is underrated in this respect... It really knew how to build on the horror elements. The game has 7 cds and it doesn't actually get overtly scary until the 5th with little elements changing so slightly you may not even notice like the music.

Or is it overt with casper popping out of walls going BOO!!! and hands pulling you into tubs, mirrors, or beds?

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raise your reputation

Is this a horror game or a "Horror game" like Resident Evil 3, 4 (though it had moments), and 5 (which had no moments)?

So as to not be disrespectful a "Horror game" is defined as such: A game that keeps several of the horror elements such as monsters, ghosts, and other such elements but lacks the horror focus or intent to actually scare you silly.

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*Looks at site*

SEEMS like a true horror game... But is it?

Even Call of Cthuhu games sometimes transformed into a really bad action/adventure game (Alone in the Dark 2, 3, and the newer one. Undying starts off with strong horror elements but loses them rather quickly and became a shooter)

Though the site seems to advertise its gameplay quite well in its screens.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Sowelu on December 05, 2010, 05:42:47 am
If the translation and voice acting was better, I'd buy this.  :/

(wow, apparently I go by reviews instead of pirating stuff these days, when did that happen)

Also yeah, writing good horror is REALLY REALLY HARD.  Anyone can make an action game.  Like, a monkey with a stick can make an action game.  (Hell, a monkey with a stick kind of is an action game)  But any emotional writing is difficult, while manipulating what the character does and doesn't know and what they believe is really tough, and then you have to fuzzle the game balance around it to keep it from turning into the Call of Cthulhu game (AKA totally awesome before you get a weapon, boring and pointless once you get a gun).

Wish I was good D:
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on December 05, 2010, 05:58:49 am
This reminds me I've really got to play The Void.  I got it during a steam sale after hearing about it on Destructoid but I have yet to play it.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Virtz on December 05, 2010, 08:42:48 am
So I guess my question is: What's the translation like?
It ranges from odd yet dramatic to "I can has" (at one point a character literally says that). I recall a fan translation project in the works, but I don't think anything came out of it in the end.

Concerning the horror, I'd say the game is always trying to creep you out with the visuals rather than boo-scare you. The town is mostly "normal" enough to make the oddities seem actually strange and disturbing.

The combat in this game can be pretty hard. Think melee combat in an early FPS - you can't block, you can at most move away from the enemy and it's hard to anticipate when exactly your attack lands. Not to mention the ranged attacks. It's hard enough when you're facing a basic mugger in the streets at night, and it gets much harder.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 05, 2010, 12:25:31 pm
Concerning the horror, I'd say the game is always trying to creep you out with the visuals rather than boo-scare you. The town is mostly "normal" enough to make the oddities seem actually strange and disturbing.

There are four "ruins" in the town, all of which have strange, gravity defying, staircases rising into the air.  The same architect designed this building called The Polyhedron, which sits outside of town and only children live inside.  Supposedly the entire thing floats.  I haven't had a chance to check it out yet.

And a lot of the horror is in the text too.  (Yes, there's reading involved and usually a fair amount).  Its through the text that you learn what the children are doing, that you learn about the disease, and that you learn about the town (and how its districts are named after body parts).
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 06, 2010, 11:35:56 pm
OH DEAR GOD.  When I kill psycho knife wielding maniacs in the early pre-dawn hours I hear a child laugh and clap.

GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on December 06, 2010, 11:39:17 pm
OH DEAR GOD.  When I kill psycho knife wielding maniacs in the early pre-dawn hours I hear a child laugh and clap.

GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD.

Goodness your inner child is somewhat of a jerk.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 07, 2010, 12:05:49 am
And a psychopath.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: x2yzh9 on December 07, 2010, 08:57:39 pm
Day 2, I just got out of the theater. What do I do?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: 0x517A5D on December 08, 2010, 12:24:24 am
Day 2, I just got out of the theater. What do I do?
If you're the Doctor, you die horribly.

If you're the Harrypotterscus, you die in a slightly less horrible manner.

If you're the lady, you win the game.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: breadbocks on December 08, 2010, 01:21:52 am
I'd say the most scary part of this is the stagehand raven dudes. They're monstrously tall, they never mover and all they wear are those cloaks and raven.... masks? I actually yelped the first time I saw one (I've not played it. Just seen a few pictures).

The worst part? The people don't care. Either this is all just your madness, or this town is...
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Pnx on December 08, 2010, 01:45:16 am
I'd say the most scary part of this is the stagehand raven dudes. They're monstrously tall, they never mover and all they wear are those cloaks and raven.... masks? I actually yelped the first time I saw one (I've not played it. Just seen a few pictures).

The worst part? The people don't care. Either this is all just your madness, or this town is...
I'm pretty sure they're based around (or at least inspired by) the venisian doctors who wore bird masks to ward off the plague. They weren't full headed masks instead they just covered the face, but still, pretty similar.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: breadbocks on December 08, 2010, 01:54:45 am
I'm pretty sure they're based around (or at least inspired by) the venisian doctors who wore bird masks to ward off the plague. They weren't full headed masks instead they just covered the face, but still, pretty similar.
But they don't doctor. The RPS butcher of it states that eventually you get to the point where they seem to be death dealers.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Sowelu on December 08, 2010, 05:17:26 am
When you said raven masked dudes I went "Plague doctors?!! :D :D" because I love those masks.  Do they look like this?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Virtz on December 08, 2010, 06:59:39 am
Nah, like this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 08, 2010, 11:10:34 am
You actually see one (or two) at the start of the game.

Later on they show up outside the house of every major character that dies.

They're minor characters.

Also, their point:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on December 08, 2010, 02:21:28 pm
I'd say the most scary part of this is the stagehand raven dudes. They're monstrously tall, they never mover and all they wear are those cloaks and raven.... masks? I actually yelped the first time I saw one (I've not played it. Just seen a few pictures).

The worst part? The people don't care. Either this is all just your madness, or this town is...

Honestly that is one of the most underused horror devices the "No one seems to notice or care".

Probably because it is so tough to pull off.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: breadbocks on December 08, 2010, 05:01:22 pm
You actually see one (or two) at the start of the game.

Later on they show up outside the house of every major character that dies.

They're minor characters.

Also, their point:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The thing about it though? It's ALL your fault.

As for the point, possibly, but the RPS dissection of it is that all earth is flesh and all flesh is earth.

Anyways, someone mind spoilering the Divotress' plot for me?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: x2yzh9 on December 08, 2010, 11:30:56 pm
Day 2, I just got out of the theater. What do I do?
If you're the Doctor, you die horribly.

If you're the Harrypotterscus, you die in a slightly less horrible manner.

If you're the lady, you win the game.
I'm being serious here, I don't want to get stuck on a gaem I payed money for.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on December 09, 2010, 12:01:34 am
Day 2, I just got out of the theater. What do I do?
If you're the Doctor, you die horribly.

If you're the Harrypotterscus, you die in a slightly less horrible manner.

If you're the lady, you win the game.
I'm being serious here, I don't want to get stuck on a gaem I payed money for.

Getting stuck on a game you paid for? Pretty standard fanfare for adventure games.

Both Broken Sword 1 and 2 featured stupid stuck points.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 09, 2010, 12:55:31 am
I'm being serious here, I don't want to get stuck on a gaem I payed money for.

You can't get stuck, per say, you just have no direction.  Go back and talk to people.

If all else fails, wander around and find money, loot trash bins, and trade with people.  Eventually the day will end (someone will die) and you'll get a Day 3, which has a completely unrelated story quest (well, it's related but it doesn't matter if you failed or succeeded the Day 2 quest, influenced by yes, required that you do Day 2 quest, no).
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Servant Corps on December 09, 2010, 12:58:37 am
I think it'd just be better to just watch SA Goons finish LPing Pathologic successfully, and spare yourself the agnoy. The goons are right now on the last day of the Bachelor...after only a couple years.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 09, 2010, 12:05:13 pm
I think it'd just be better to just watch SA Goons finish LPing Pathologic successfully, and spare yourself the agnoy. The goons are right now on the last day of the Bachelor...after only a couple years.

Its because you start going crazy if you play more than two hours of the game in a day...or three.

Fortunately I haven't had any Pathologic induced night mares yet.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 09, 2010, 12:27:04 pm
Last line of the interview! They said they might release a remake! (And do the translation in-house this time)

That would be amazing.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 09, 2010, 12:41:08 pm
Indeed.  Assuming they are doing a strict update, and not changing things (i.e. no new story, just new graphics and translation).
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on December 09, 2010, 01:19:58 pm
Indeed.  Assuming they are doing a strict update, and not changing things (i.e. no new story, just new graphics and translation).

What if they included another campaign?

There was a horror game that may or may not already be released that is talking quite extensively about heavy mod support through a campaign editor.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 09, 2010, 01:33:24 pm
But, why?

If you've finished Pathologic (or read my spoiler on the other page) you'd know that "another campaign" would be pointless.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on December 09, 2010, 01:44:14 pm
But, why?

If you've finished Pathologic (or read my spoiler on the other page) you'd know that "another campaign" would be pointless.

I meant an entirely different scenario unrelated to that one using the same engine and style as the first.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 09, 2010, 01:48:53 pm
In which case that would be "new game" and I would be skeptical about it, as it would not be a "remake" and thus might not have the same--god awesome--horror to it.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: GlyphGryph on December 09, 2010, 10:55:06 pm
I think they mentioned they would want to fiddle with some of the pacing and quite a few of the mechanical elements as well, because they think some parts were just really poorly done. That could definitely go either way.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: breadbocks on December 09, 2010, 11:37:12 pm
I think it'd just be better to just watch SA Goons finish LPing Pathologic successfully, and spare yourself the agnoy. The goons are right now on the last day of the Bachelor...after only a couple years.

Its because you start going crazy if you play more than two hours of the game in a day...or three.

Fortunately I haven't had any Pathologic induced night mares yet.
...

...

...

This is Pathologic.

Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 09, 2010, 11:58:19 pm
I think they mentioned they would want to fiddle with some of the pacing and quite a few of the mechanical elements as well, because they think some parts were just really poorly done. That could definitely go either way.

That's fair.  I wouldn't mind that.  Improving things so the ball rolls: good.

Re-writing the story and calling it a sequel: not good.  It'd have to be judged on its own merits, and I'd be initially skeptical.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2010, 01:09:36 am
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Re-writing the story and calling it a sequel: not good.  It'd have to be judged on its own merits, and I'd be initially skeptical

I should state that this isn't what I was refering to.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on December 10, 2010, 10:27:51 am
I should state that this isn't what I was refering to.

You're taking it out of context.  My whole post was a reply to your one line.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: lordcooper on January 17, 2011, 11:41:48 pm
This game is just so damn...
It makes me feel really...

I don't know what the hell to make of this.  I've gotten to a certain point and I think I get it know.  I hope for the sake of sanity that I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: breadbocks on January 17, 2011, 11:44:55 pm
You don't get it till you've... finished. I can't even say won, because this game can't be won.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: olemars on May 15, 2011, 12:57:38 pm
Necro to point out you can buy insanity for $/€2.99 at GamersGate for a few more hours.
http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-PATH/pathologic (http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-PATH/pathologic)
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Dakk on May 15, 2011, 08:39:01 pm
It seems good Pathologic LPs are pretty rare, most are "i'll play till i die" or "i'm a weird foreigner playing the german version" kind of LPs.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on May 15, 2011, 09:49:08 pm
It seems good Pathologic LPs are pretty rare, most are "i'll play till i die" or "i'm a weird foreigner playing the german version" kind of LPs.

Yeah.  And dying happens on Day 2, if you're good playing the Batchelor or Day 1 if you're playing the Doctor.

Like seriously, good luck surviving your first fight.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Labs on May 15, 2011, 10:54:51 pm
Yeah.  And dying happens on Day 2, if you're good playing the Batchelor or Day 1 if you're playing the Doctor.

So, yeah, I'm playing as the Bachelor and as soon as the clock strikes midnight on day 2, I get a death screen. Is this a bug or something?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: olemars on May 16, 2011, 01:30:53 am
If it is a bug, I'm sure it has a deep and profound meaning.

I did not survive my first fight as the Doctor. Or the second.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Virtz on May 16, 2011, 05:16:22 am
Yeah.  And dying happens on Day 2, if you're good playing the Batchelor or Day 1 if you're playing the Doctor.

So, yeah, I'm playing as the Bachelor and as soon as the clock strikes midnight on day 2, I get a death screen. Is this a bug or something?
Nope. Means you failed a critical objective for the day. Sometimes you get away with failing one, other times it's game over when the day is over.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Angel Of Death on May 16, 2011, 05:25:29 am
How disturbing is this game on a scale of 1 to 10? (1 being "Yay! Happies for all!, 10 being "OH, GOD WHYYYYYYY! *gets locked up in a mental institution*)
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: The Scout on May 16, 2011, 05:27:42 am
How disturbing is this game on a scale of 1 to 10? (1 being "Yay! Happies for all!, 10 being "OH, GOD WHYYYYYYY! *gets locked up in a mental institution*)
Hmmmm. Call of Cthulu is about 9 or 10, so from what I've seen, about a 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Angel Of Death on May 16, 2011, 05:31:12 am
How disturbing is this game on a scale of 1 to 10? (1 being "Yay! Happies for all!, 10 being "OH, GOD WHYYYYYYY! *gets locked up in a mental institution*)
Hmmmm. Call of Cthulu is about 9 or 10

Is CoC free?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: The Scout on May 16, 2011, 05:35:25 am
How disturbing is this game on a scale of 1 to 10? (1 being "Yay! Happies for all!, 10 being "OH, GOD WHYYYYYYY! *gets locked up in a mental institution*)
Hmmmm. Call of Cthulu is about 9 or 10

Is CoC free?
I don't believe so. But everything is free, if you look for it.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: nenjin on May 16, 2011, 05:37:34 am
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Call of Cthulu is about 9 or 10, so from what I've seen, about a 5 or 6.

Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of Earth? That game was taaaaammmmeeeee. I'd put it at a 5.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: The Scout on May 16, 2011, 05:41:08 am
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Call of Cthulu is about 9 or 10, so from what I've seen, about a 5 or 6.

Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of Earth? That game was taaaaammmmeeeee. I'd put it at a 5.
I heard grown men cry at it. Cause it's hard and tedious. And fishmen randomly rape you.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: nenjin on May 16, 2011, 05:43:35 am
Oh yeah, it's hard and tedious, I won't deny that.

Just in terms of the writing and the mind-bending....that's all pretty tame. At least, for a Lovecraft fan it was. If you've never read Shadow Over Innsmouth, I suppose it would blow your mind.

But it still comes across as fairly normal most of the time. When people say is 9 or 10 on the disturbing/disquiet scale, I kind of expect something so strange it makes me feel odd to play it.

The only emotion I felt playing CoC, other than surprise a couple of times, was total annoyance.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: lordcooper on May 16, 2011, 05:47:09 am
Pathologic has made me disgusted with the actions I freely chose on many occasions.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: nenjin on May 16, 2011, 05:49:12 am
Is it, like, subtle, the way you make these choices? Or is it just kind of text options of varying degrees of horror?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: lordcooper on May 16, 2011, 05:51:28 am
Is it, like, subtle, the way you make these choices? Or is it just kind of text options of varying degrees of horror?

Sometimes subtle, sometimes not.  I've killed a well fleshed out npc for bullets while playing this.  It was the only option I could see.

When you play for the second time you see just how screwed up your previous characters actions were.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: breadbocks on May 16, 2011, 07:15:25 am
Pathologic has made me disgusted with the actions I freely chose on many occasions.
Indeed. And my understanding is anyone with the stomach to play all three lines goes "What the fuck?" at things they did previously. Things like when you are the Horespex vivisecting a man in hopes of seeing what organs look how bad is something that makes sense. Then, when you get to that point as The Bachelor, WTF was that dumbass Horespex doing?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on May 16, 2011, 08:10:59 am
If it is a bug, I'm sure it has a deep and profound meaning.

I did not survive my first fight as the Doctor. Or the second.

Combat in Pathologic is deadly.  Really, really deadly.  About on par with Penumbra, I'd say.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Vector on May 16, 2011, 02:07:31 pm
Hmmm... I'd like to play this.  Maybe something to do when I know some more Russian, over my winter break or something like that.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on May 16, 2011, 02:12:05 pm
If it is a bug, I'm sure it has a deep and profound meaning.

I did not survive my first fight as the Doctor. Or the second.

Combat in Pathologic is deadly.  Really, really deadly.  About on par with Penumbra, I'd say.

It is the one thing I find odd about Amnesia.

It isn't that you can't fight, it is that you can't even put up a fight. Giving me the impression that I am in some weird bubble.

Though I am probably mistaken especially since I havn't played Amnesia and I am trying not to see it incase I ever do play amnesia.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Vibhor on May 16, 2011, 11:29:09 pm
If it is a bug, I'm sure it has a deep and profound meaning.

I did not survive my first fight as the Doctor. Or the second.

Combat in Pathologic is deadly.  Really, really deadly.  About on par with Penumbra, I'd say.

It is the one thing I find odd about Amnesia.

It isn't that you can't fight, it is that you can't even put up a fight. Giving me the impression that I am in some weird bubble.

Though I am probably mistaken especially since I havn't played Amnesia and I am trying not to see it incase I ever do play amnesia.

You really need to play amnesia, it is much more scary than pathologic. Though pathologic, even with its faults, feels weirdly compelling. It feels "Immersive"
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: olemars on May 17, 2011, 04:22:45 am
Amnesia is trying to be the kind of nightmare you wake up screaming from. Pathologic is trying to be the kind of nightmare you wake up crying and sobbing from.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: lordcooper on May 17, 2011, 09:35:39 am
Pathologic is trying to be the kind of nightmare you wake up crying and sobbing from.

Then scrape your skin off with sandpaper in an attempt to wash of the dirtiness.

I have a mouth and I will scream.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on May 17, 2011, 09:42:50 am
Amnesia is trying to be the kind of nightmare you wake up screaming from. Pathologic is trying to be the kind of nightmare you wake up crying and sobbing from.

Especially when you realize that....

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: lordcooper on May 17, 2011, 10:10:24 am
Amnesia is trying to be the kind of nightmare you wake up screaming from. Pathologic is trying to be the kind of nightmare you wake up crying and sobbing from.

Especially when you realize that....

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Umm, that isn't quite what I got out of it.  I'll spare people my interpretation, because who the hell doesn't click on spoilers?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Twerty on May 17, 2011, 04:22:04 pm
Quote
Call of Cthulu is about 9 or 10, so from what I've seen, about a 5 or 6.

Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of Earth? That game was taaaaammmmeeeee. I'd put it at a 5.
Call of Cthulhu is no way that high, and I'm not even one of those guys who judges everything as unscary (System Shock 2 still definitely creeps me out). It was definitely pretty atmospheric at the beginning for the first couple hours, I really liked the chase scenes a lot and got into the game, but as soon as they gave you a gun things started devolving pretty quickly into mindless shooty-shooty bang-bang, fishmen or no.

So I guess my question is: What's the translation like?
[...] I recall a fan translation project in the works, but I don't think anything came out of it in the end. [...]
http://ice-pick.com/translate/forum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=3409e5a49166fef7aa588352a5b94019
Yeah... I was holding off on picking this game up until this project was finished, but it's been an entire year with no notable activity at all. Real unfortunate, I was really excited about this, and things seemed to be moving pretty well at first. :/ The best laid plans and all that, I s'pose.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: breadbocks on May 17, 2011, 04:27:45 pm
Amnesia is trying to be the kind of nightmare you wake up screaming from. Pathologic is trying to be the kind of nightmare you wake up crying and sobbing from.

Especially when you realize that....

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Actually that isn't true.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Catastrophic lolcats on January 17, 2013, 10:49:26 am
Raise from your grave.

So I've been in a love-hate relationship with this game since I bought it off Gamer's Gate 2(?) years ago. Never managed to get too far in it, mainly because of the UI being a right pain in the plump helmet when using widescreen monitors.
For some odd reason at 2am I wanted to fire up Pathologic and give it another try. Got a couple of minutes into it before the UI made my eyes bleed and I went hunting on google to see if someone has done something. They have

I present to you the Pathologic HD patch. Complete with:
Widescreen UI support (1280х800, 1360х768, 1366х768, 1440х900, 1600х900, 1680х1050, 1920х1080, 1920х1200)
Some improved HD textures for "just few most important".
Widescreen videos.
ENB Series registries.
Support for both Russian and English versions of the game.

Forum post:
http://forum.ice-pick.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=12605
Plenty of mirror options to choose from there.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: sluissa on January 17, 2013, 11:49:22 am
I watched a friend play this some years ago... all I remember is buying meat from a kid, and then the kid just decided to kill us. Also the text on screen and the spoken dialogue didn't exactly match up... and I want to say it even contradicted itself once or twice. Caused a lot of confusion.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on January 17, 2013, 12:00:51 pm
I watched a friend play this some years ago... all I remember is buying meat from a kid, and then the kid just decided to kill us. Also the text on screen and the spoken dialogue didn't exactly match up... and I want to say it even contradicted itself once or twice. Caused a lot of confusion.

Yup.  And I have a feeling it was all intentional.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Catastrophic lolcats on November 28, 2013, 12:26:14 am
To life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAoaCHdTJY) once again thread!

So Ice Pick Lodge has announced (http://vk.com/icepicklodge) they plan to remake the game and back it via kickstarter or a program like that. There are no other details but it's still very welcome news. It seems only logical that there would be an English version with better translations if such a kickstarter did reach it's goal. 

The announcement translated via some other forums.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Original Russian announcement
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: frostshotgg on November 28, 2013, 01:41:23 am
Call me pumped. I can totally get behind Pathologic HD, particularly if it makes the latter half of the game comprehensible.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Stworca on November 28, 2013, 01:46:03 am
It's not the graphics that make it bad, it's the translation.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: frostshotgg on November 28, 2013, 01:51:39 am
I'm assuming they'd be redoing the translation with it. If not, why bother?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on November 28, 2013, 12:45:22 pm
I never got past about day 2. XD
I was running around screaming like a little girl as I tried to get across town without dying, armed with only a scalpel.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: nenjin on July 24, 2014, 02:17:23 pm
Just a heads up: apparently this is getting a remake.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/07/24/pathologic-remake-is-coming-soon-eek-eek/

Kickstarter likely to launch in September.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on July 24, 2014, 02:32:00 pm
This game REALLY needed a remake anyway.

It isn't like "The Void" where the controls and gameplay matched the tone (Slow and lifeless)
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Ak-Sai on July 25, 2014, 02:51:32 am
Good game with deep and interesting story.
Finished it as Bachelor and Haruspex and stuck in day 4 or 5 as Devotress. Quite a good memories. Especialy with "hidden" endings".

I'll definetely try it, when they will make a remake.

Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Scoops Novel on August 12, 2014, 03:14:15 pm
Would this game stand up if any of you had lived through a epidemic?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on August 12, 2014, 06:00:19 pm
Would this game stand up if any of you had lived through a epidemic?

The game barely feels like it takes place in a epidemic personally...
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Scoops Novel on August 12, 2014, 06:48:21 pm
Would this game stand up if any of you had lived through a epidemic?

The game barely feels like it takes place in a epidemic personally...

Haven't played it. Please explain.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on August 12, 2014, 06:52:20 pm
Would this game stand up if any of you had lived through a epidemic?

The game barely feels like it takes place in a epidemic personally...

Haven't played it. Please explain.

Well this is supposed to bring up imagry of the black plague and while I understand personally that you are immune (as common with horror protagonists they TEND to be immune to whatever disease is involved) and yet everyone just sort of stays inside all day, they move about, and there is very little in the streets.

The town just seems vacant, no burning houses, no nothing. It just gives me the feeling that this town isn't suffering from any real disease. Sure you find a few people and burned houses, but nothing in front of your eyes.

Which honestly at first I thought was the point... that there was no disease and your immunity is just what people are lead to believe since you are unharmed.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: frostshotgg on August 12, 2014, 06:59:06 pm
You aren't immune though, and that's a running problem. You need medicine to stave off the infection just like anybody else. To me, the town definitely felt like it was dying of disease. Not anything visibly violent like small pox, but something that rots it from the inside out.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on August 12, 2014, 07:12:16 pm
You didn't play long enough to go out after dark.

Go out after dark, then tell me there's nothing going on in the streets.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on August 12, 2014, 07:23:58 pm
You didn't play long enough to go out after dark.

Go out after dark, then tell me there's nothing going on in the streets.

They don't really count.

It is like going out after dark in Deadly Premonition.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: lordcooper on August 12, 2014, 08:44:42 pm
I'm not convinced you've actually played the game.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: TempAcc on August 12, 2014, 08:48:39 pm
Its not so much that there's a disease going on, more like
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Neonivek on August 12, 2014, 08:50:38 pm
I just have a general different feeling about the overall atmosphere of the game.

There is just something fallacious about it. Something more going on... and the "lack of things" to me always felt more intentional.

Never beat the game and never spoiled the ending... so if the "medicine" was fake >_> I never got to that part. MIND YOU the different characters do seem to have a different journey.

As for what you are talking about TempAcc it is part of the metaphor. Speak to the people and the families and their relationships with each other and you will see that the city is indeed diseased... but not with an illness so to speak. :P

Mind you everything is typical political maneuvering (along with other things) but that is kind of the point.

Its dramatic irony I believe it is called.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Scoops Novel on August 13, 2014, 07:39:12 am
Coming back to the question:

Would this game stand up if any of you had lived through a epidemic?

Well?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Catastrophic lolcats on August 13, 2014, 08:23:08 am
Not completely sure what you mean by "stand up".

Would a video game have the same or near emotional impact as living through a devastating spread of infectious disease in a community?
No.

Is it completely realistic in its depiction of disease, panic and their effect on communities?
No

Would the game be worse/better if I lived through some kind of epidemic?
I can't answer that not living through one. I can say that the major flaws are mostly to do with controls, translation and gameplay rather than the plague representation. I don't see those flaws changing in anyway even if I lived through an epidemic or twelve world wars.

Is it still a very interesting yet highly flawed game?
Yes.

If you think the subject matter may "trigger" some aggressively negative emotions than I would suggest you skip it or any other games like it. It does handle the matter is a largely respectful manner however if that's what you're most concerned about.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Scoops Novel on August 13, 2014, 10:16:47 am
*snipped*

Would the game be worse/better if I lived through some kind of epidemic?
I can't answer that not living through one. I can say that the major flaws are mostly to do with controls, translation and gameplay rather than the plague representation. I don't see those flaws changing in anyway even if I lived through an epidemic or twelve world wars.

Is it still a very interesting yet highly flawed game?
Yes.

 It does handle the matter is a largely respectful manner however if that's what you're most concerned about.

Pretty much what i was after.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: TempAcc on August 13, 2014, 10:35:58 am
The gameplay flaws are completely bearable imo, if they just fix the bugs and remake the translation (into a better one, hopefuly) I think it should be fine. I quit playing it after my save got corrupt at the abbatoir place thing, and I never even found a full lets play of it.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: nenjin on September 04, 2014, 11:09:21 am
Kickstarter is live.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1535515364/pathologic

The Pledge Goal seems about on par for most successful games that want to do a visual reboot.

Surprised at the lowest pledge amount. $20? Why not put in a $5 "Just because you want to help" option? Strange.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on September 04, 2014, 11:25:15 am
I'm going to hold off for now.  Mostly because while I respect the original for what it was, it was really hard to actually play.  "Fight for survival" is really frakking annoying when death means "reload from last save."  If it's only going to be a graphical/auditory improvement, then I'm fine with not getting a copy at a slight discount.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: lordcooper on September 04, 2014, 11:27:41 am
This is the best of news.  News Of The Year.

I'm going to hold off for now.  Mostly because while I respect the original for what it was, it was really hard to actually play.  "Fight for survival" is really frakking annoying when death means "reload from last save."  If it's only going to be a graphical/auditory improvement, then I'm fine with not getting a copy at a slight discount.

Try reading the page, it explains in great details that it isn't simply a graphical update.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: lordcooper on September 04, 2014, 11:48:05 am
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/09/04/ice-pick-lodge-kickstarter-pathologic/

Adam Smith getting all excited :)
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on September 04, 2014, 12:05:08 pm
I'm going to hold off for now.  Mostly because while I respect the original for what it was, it was really hard to actually play.  "Fight for survival" is really frakking annoying when death means "reload from last save."  If it's only going to be a graphical/auditory improvement, then I'm fine with not getting a copy at a slight discount.

Try reading the page, it explains in great details that it isn't simply a graphical update.

Maybe later :P
I was skimming it at work and like I said, a $5 discount at this stage is not much of an incentive.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: TempAcc on September 04, 2014, 12:11:01 pm
Huh, I never thought the haruspex was a practicing surgeon, he seemed more like a weird shamanistic figure who uses some sort of supernatural surgery to do his work. In pathologic you literally get to talk and trade organs with supernatural beings you find in the swamps, IIRC.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: lordcooper on September 06, 2014, 11:04:51 am
Hey Draco, reckon you could update the OP/title?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: Draco18s on September 06, 2014, 01:29:28 pm
Hey Draco, reckon you could update the OP/title?

This is my...?  Oh hey, it is.

What do you want it changed to?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game
Post by: lordcooper on September 06, 2014, 01:30:34 pm
Might be a good idea to mention the remake/kickstarter in the title.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game. Remake on Kickstarter
Post by: Draco18s on September 06, 2014, 02:35:50 pm
Better?
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game. Remake on Kickstarter
Post by: Fniff on September 06, 2014, 04:37:53 pm
eeeeeeEEEEEEEEeeeee

...

Very excited, you see.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game. Remake on Kickstarter
Post by: Fniff on October 03, 2014, 10:11:27 am
Right, sorry for the doublepost, but it's been a month. First thing: Kickstarter got funded and is still going up. Next thing: They're doing an AMA on Reddit right this second. (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2i6yts/we_are_a_russian_game_development_studio_named/) Go ahead and pop right in if you have a reddit account. Early bird gets the plague!
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game. Remake on Kickstarter
Post by: MCreeper on May 23, 2019, 12:17:53 pm
Pathologic 2 is finally out!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/505230/Pathologic_2
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game. Remake on Kickstarter
Post by: MCreeper on May 25, 2019, 07:50:18 am
Filtering The Filth that is steam forum gived me that:
1. Game is unoptimized like hell.
2. Some people can seriosly complain about having 60 fps.
3. Hunger is completely broken to the side of "Humans can't eat that much".
4. Whole point of this narrative-based game is to miss the narrative, all of it. At least crazed broken mechanics apologists think so. I didn't see devs saying this yet.
5. For some reason devs think that replacing DS2-like checkpoint saves (complete with max health loss on death, looks like) with proper ones will break their game apart. Well, it certainly would break DS2 apart, but i don't see what's wrong with it in Pathologic of all places.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game. Remake on Kickstarter
Post by: George_Chickens on May 25, 2019, 01:17:51 pm
Optimization is very bad. Particle effects can freeze the game. Hunger is about the same as the original game but a little more forgiving IMO, smoked meat seems to recover WAY more hunger.

The checkpoint system and point save system is fucking awful as the game is glitchy and gives the impression it could crash or freeze at any time.
Title: Re: Pathologic. Obscure Russian Indie Horror Game. Remake on Kickstarter
Post by: George_Chickens on May 27, 2019, 01:29:41 pm
I decided to play again now that I heard the patches are out. The particle effect freezing seems to be gone, and the crashes have been cut in half. Generally the game seems to be playable. Still unacceptably crashy, though.