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Title: Mystery Babies?
Post by: 10terrapin01 on July 08, 2014, 10:48:03 am
Running a 2014 fort and it is now winter.  I didn't get a caravan but I did get...
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Babies?

I can't use C to locate them.  I have no idea what is going on.  There are also 2 dwarf babies listed as my citizens, but their parents aren't in the fort and I can't find them.  Could there be goblin snatchers underground?
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Post by: FallenAngel on July 08, 2014, 11:00:38 am
UNDERGROUND SNATCHERS?
Holy crap.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: 10terrapin01 on July 08, 2014, 11:04:01 am
Well I'm not actually sure.  Their numbers spiked and now they've fallen to only 6 or so.  There was just a sudden influx of babies and then they left.  A snatching operation beneath my fortress is just a guess.
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Post by: Boudazzler on July 08, 2014, 12:09:41 pm
I am running into the same issue. At any one time I'll have between 15 and 35 mystery babies. I've even got a lovely Winged Troll Baby and her kidnapped husband hanging out. If the snatchers are hidden but babies can be seen, would that mean killing the snatchers would net me all these random kids? Would be interesting.
(http://i.imgur.com/6ilY1vl.png) (http://imgur.com/6ilY1vl)
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Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 08, 2014, 12:20:15 pm
Wave o' Babies!

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/ayame_envy_luver/waveobabies.png)
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: imperium3 on July 08, 2014, 12:31:28 pm
If there's anything less useful than dwarf babies and more despised than elf merchants, it's elf babies.

Let the goblins take them. It's for their own good.
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Post by: Zeranamu on July 08, 2014, 12:36:33 pm
Babysplosion. And they are all sneaking/stealthed. They were raised by Necromancers (or Kobolds)
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Post by: Deepblade on July 08, 2014, 12:50:40 pm
Could it possibly be because those babies are being born in the outside world and are showing up on the screen as a bug?
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Post by: 10terrapin01 on July 08, 2014, 12:58:05 pm
I don't think so.  They regularly disappear and new ones reappear, so I think they might be traveling as a patrol underground.
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Post by: Broseph Stalin on July 08, 2014, 01:17:01 pm
Quote from: Boudazzler on July 08, 2014, 12:09:41 pm
I am running into the same issue. At any one time I'll have between 15 and 35 mystery babies. I've even got a lovely Winged Troll Baby and her kidnapped husband hanging out. If the snatchers are hidden but babies can be seen, would that mean killing the snatchers would net me all these random kids? Would be interesting.
(http://i.imgur.com/6ilY1vl.png) (http://imgur.com/6ilY1vl)

It's a reverse hostage situation, if you kill the snatchers they'll fill your fort with babies.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Zeranamu on July 08, 2014, 01:21:36 pm
It's like the snatchers are coming, but they're also bringing along allllllllll the other babies they've babynapped.
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Post by: Caz on July 08, 2014, 01:37:14 pm
This happened on my fort as well. About 60 human/elf/dwarf 'friendly' babies appearing, along with 6 dwarf babies as invisible migrants.
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Post by: Zeranamu on July 08, 2014, 01:38:50 pm
How big are snatchersacks? Because that's a lot of babies.
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Post by: Mentalpatient87 on July 08, 2014, 01:48:04 pm
Did anyone actually check the caverns for babies yet?
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Post by: Kipi on July 08, 2014, 01:50:57 pm
Quote from: 10terrapin01 on July 08, 2014, 12:58:05 pm
I don't think so.  They regularly disappear and new ones reappear, so I think they might be traveling as a patrol underground.

This comment brings rather twisted image to my mind; army of babies, released from the evil snatcher, has formed a independent group which is now patrolling the long forgotten tunnels, punishing every snatcher they can see and catch...
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Post by: SharpKris on July 08, 2014, 01:51:59 pm
gotta catch a snatcher in order to see if babies will appear
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Post by: RealFear on July 08, 2014, 01:53:09 pm
Quote from: Broseph Stalin on July 08, 2014, 01:17:01 pm
It's a reverse hostage situation, if you kill the snatchers they'll fill your fort with babies.
Oh Urist fuckin' Mcbabysnatcher, this is getting sig'd.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Rendell on July 08, 2014, 01:57:32 pm
Winged Troll baby?... and its Husband!? What is a Winged troll baby, and why does it have a Husband? That's the question I need answered.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Mentalpatient87 on July 08, 2014, 01:58:44 pm
I assume the winged troll society practices arranged marriages...
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Post by: SkyRender on July 08, 2014, 02:00:03 pm
Sounds to me like either 1.) snatchers do snatching runs and steal lots of babies at once before returning to base, or 2.) snatchers no longer return babies to base and just lug them around everywhere with them.  One thing is definitely for certain, however: those kidnapped babies should not be showing up on the units list!
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Post by: fluiddruid on July 08, 2014, 04:11:36 pm
I'm having this issue too.  I also have a Goblin Baby (Tame) on my own unit list, and it says it was born today... how did it get snatched so fast, and moved to my map, if that's the cause?

For what it's worth, I got a ton of refugee and invasion reports from my liason.  Maybe refugee babies are bugged somehow.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Nyxalinth on July 08, 2014, 04:18:11 pm
I have about 20 elven babies in my unit list.  and I can't get to them.  First the trees,  now they trolls me with their own babies.


I have invaders turned on, and I assume everyone else with Mystery Babies does, too.  Someone should turn off invaders, generate a new world, and see if it still happens.
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Post by: greycat on July 08, 2014, 06:15:31 pm
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Post by: Aristion on July 08, 2014, 07:31:20 pm
The pole behind the statue...
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Post by: martinuzz on July 08, 2014, 07:37:25 pm
Could it be that those babies show up instead of the caravan, because the world is not old enough yet to have adult traders?
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Post by: Plancky on July 09, 2014, 12:18:40 am
Well they seem to be keeping my fort alive..........
(http://i.imgur.com/rPuMN8U.png?1)
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Kamamura on July 09, 2014, 02:12:07 am
When the king of the underground troll gang heard about the newly constructed fort in the Mountains of Sorrow, he grinned and gave a single command: "BABIFY!"
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Blastbeard on July 09, 2014, 02:20:14 am
Just what this game needed, Babalities.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: RealFear on July 09, 2014, 11:35:19 am
Quote from: martinuzz on July 08, 2014, 07:37:25 pm
Could it be that those babies show up instead of the caravan, because the world is not old enough yet to have adult traders?

No, too many babies, caravans don't bring 30 people with them at a time.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Lightningfalcon on July 09, 2014, 12:57:16 pm
Has anyone found the babies on the map yet, or are they only listed on the unit screen?
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Post by: Lurker Z on July 09, 2014, 02:28:41 pm
Quote from: Rendell on July 08, 2014, 01:57:32 pm
Winged Troll baby?... and its Husband!? What is a Winged troll baby, and why does it have a Husband? That's the question I need answered.
It's a naming convention. I've noticed it in Legends mode, when a dark/evil/w/e creature like a Crone kidnaps someone, they brainwash them and transform them in their mate, that is to say Crone Husband or Crone Wife. Apparently, that makes them a species of their own, and implicitly, their offsprings too.

Dammit guys, you're making me want to turn invasion on. Alternately, please provide a save so I can explore the caves for them.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Cobbler89 on July 09, 2014, 04:52:46 pm
Quote from: ShinQuickMan on July 08, 2014, 12:20:15 pm
Wave o' Babies!

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/ayame_envy_luver/waveobabies.png)
Suddenly Teen Girl Squad makes a lot more sense.

Cheerleader! "I am on an important mission."
So-And-So! "It is terrifying."
Whatserface! "It was inevitable."
The Ugly One! "You first, coward!"
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Lurker Z on July 09, 2014, 05:30:20 pm
I've found something interesting in Legends Mode: Dark Pits, which I suppose are underground (goblin) equivalents of Dark Fortresses. This may explain a few things, you may have built over one of those.
Really want one of those saves now.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: mario384 on July 09, 2014, 06:29:46 pm
It was inevitable.
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Post by: NineFourEightSeven on July 09, 2014, 07:00:25 pm
Maybe only slightly related, but I also have wild animals in the cavern layers listed as missing.

I have yet to even break into the caverns.
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Post by: palu on July 09, 2014, 08:29:46 pm
It is terrifying
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Post by: Aristion on July 09, 2014, 09:16:48 pm
Quote from: Lurker Z on July 09, 2014, 05:30:20 pm
I've found something interesting in Legends Mode: Dark Pits, which I suppose are underground (goblin) equivalents of Dark Fortresses. This may explain a few things, you may have built over one of those.
Really want one of those saves now.

I thought those were towers for goblins that are like an outpost with small ravines and more stuff that i dont know how to describe.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: dirkdragonslayer on July 09, 2014, 09:20:08 pm
Quote from: Lurker Z on July 09, 2014, 05:30:20 pm
I've found something interesting in Legends Mode: Dark Pits, which I suppose are underground (goblin) equivalents of Dark Fortresses. This may explain a few things, you may have built over one of those.
Really want one of those saves now.
I have yet to check out dark pits in adventure mode, but maybe they are connected into the cave system, and babies/babysnatchers holding babies are waltzing around underground. Quick! Someone make a expedition to those pits, for the curiosity!
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Post by: palu on July 10, 2014, 04:09:22 pm
They're jest a bunch of towers with goblins in them, sometimes with bedrooms below, and trenches.
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Post by: Archereon on July 10, 2014, 07:28:16 pm
Based on what Toady's said in the announcement thread for the hotfix, it sounds like the mystery babies are the result of newly born babies being "duped" and somehow ending up on your unit list; it's thus almost certainly not from goblin snatchers running around through the underground.
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Post by: Deepblade on July 10, 2014, 09:04:51 pm
Quote from: Archereon on July 10, 2014, 07:28:16 pm
Based on what Toady's said in the announcement thread for the hotfix, it sounds like the mystery babies are the result of newly born babies being "duped" and somehow ending up on your unit list; it's thus almost certainly not from goblin snatchers running around through the underground.

Sounds similar to what someone in the thread said earlier. Not sure who said it. hmmmm.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: fearlesslittletoaster on July 11, 2014, 12:24:32 am
I am going to call this a Babystorm. On an interesting note, while one is going on your framerate tanks. The babies go away and your frame rate goes back up. My fort only has 18 Dwarves, exactly zero mods, and its not located anywhere even remotely exotic, so it has to be the Babystorm crushing the FPS.

I am currently running 40.0.02 and it has been stable otherwise.

I have a clean save of a fortress undergoing one if anyone wants it, but I have to leave until Sunday night right after this post. I will check back here if anyone still wants one then.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Repseki on July 11, 2014, 04:52:35 am
Quote from: Archereon on July 10, 2014, 07:28:16 pm
Based on what Toady's said in the announcement thread for the hotfix, it sounds like the mystery babies are the result of newly born babies being "duped" and somehow ending up on your unit list; it's thus almost certainly not from goblin snatchers running around through the underground.

While it's good that Toady seems to have an idea about whats going on, and hopefully how to fix it, I'm slightly disappointed it wasn't underground snatcher patrols using the caverns to return home.

Cleaning up all the goblinite/body parts can be tough enough in some situations, imagine all that And a flood of foreign babies.
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Parhelion on July 11, 2014, 07:51:14 am
I'm disappointed, too.

I would love to liberate all those babies from the snatchers as they crossed into my domain, just so I could use them as a personal slave force and meat shields. 
Title: Re: Mystery Babies?
Post by: Untelligent on July 12, 2014, 09:38:02 pm
Specifically, the babies were coming from historical births elsewhere in the world. All of them. Except they were getting placed on your unit list by mistake.

It also looks like the babystorms were causing the minimap crashes a lot of people were having, so another crash bites the dust. My 40.02 fort is salvageable!