Post by: noodle0117 on April 21, 2012, 11:37:43 pm
For me, it would be JPEGs for pictures that don't need them. Especially low quality ones where a pixel art pic is completely covered in artifacts. I accidentally did this once myself when I didn't really understand the different image types which resulted in this:
(http://filesmelt.com/dl/dwarf2.JPG)
rather than a clear cut png pic which barely took up any more space.
(http://filesmelt.com/dl/Dwarfgif.png)
Post by: kaijyuu on April 21, 2012, 11:42:04 pm
Condescending jerks in general.
Most any sort of hate directed at culture (tv shows, book series, etc) or fans thereof. Not liking something is fine, berating others for liking it is dumb.
Not limited to internet, but disliking something for "seeing it everywhere." I don't care if you see a starbucks on every street corner; I'm not interested in hearing you whine about it.
Post by: Skyrunner on April 21, 2012, 11:45:41 pm
Alot. Your/you're. These two are the worst for me.
Post by: GalenEvil on April 21, 2012, 11:48:41 pm
Internet wise I would guess Lol... despite my using it frequently on the internet when it should actually be IIC (Inside I Chuckled) which is much more appropriate for the way I do things. When I peruse the nets of the world I don't actually laugh often, and more often then not is just a "oh, that amused me... *types lol because that is something everyone understands*" kinda thing...
Post by: Skyrunner on April 21, 2012, 11:51:25 pm
Post by: Sirus on April 21, 2012, 11:52:17 pm
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Imageshack and photobucket. Use imgur people!I have recently discovered that imgur limits you to 255 images unless you subscribe. If you use a lot of images (Let's Plays, for example), you'll quickly hit that limit and have to use substitutes.
Things that annoy me:
Excessive leet-speak
Ponies and bronies
Spambots
Anonymous
Overuse of emotes, more than one every few paragraphs (guilty on occasion)
Several-page-long-derails
Long lists of minor annoyances
Fake edit: Oh god, your/you're. And they're/their/there.
Post by: Skyrunner on April 21, 2012, 11:55:57 pm
I pepper emoticons like salt in broth through all of my posts, consistent(-ant?) as a master chef.
Post by: Sirus on April 22, 2012, 12:01:00 am
A single emote per post (like yours just now) isn't annoying. It's stuff like this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I just hope my ex doesn't show up 
Post by: MrWiggles on April 22, 2012, 12:01:32 am
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on April 22, 2012, 12:08:01 am
I find it disgusting and degrading to my gender that full-grown men (especially straight ones ('cause I am one, not because of stereotyping)) watch a show intended for LITTLE GIRLS. Seriously, what is wrong with you people. And now,I find that one of my favorite actors (John DeLancie) is now associated with the show. that makes me even more pissed off.
Post by: EveryZig on April 22, 2012, 12:19:16 am
Post by: Sir Finkus on April 22, 2012, 12:29:09 am
Post by: Sirus on April 22, 2012, 12:30:35 am
And I'm annoyed by passive aggressive posts about people being annoyed by previous annoying behavior in the "Internet habits which annoy you" threads.That's oddly specific :P
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on April 22, 2012, 12:31:35 am
Bronyism.
I find it disgusting and degrading to my gender that full-grown men (especially straight ones ('cause I am one, not because of stereotyping)) watch a show intended for LITTLE GIRLS. Seriously, what is wrong with you people. And now,I find that one of my favorite actors (John DeLancie) is now associated with the show. that makes me even more pissed off.
I'm in it for the porn and depraved slashfics, one of which I'm writing right now. Plus yawg & skoon are bros
Post by: kaijyuu on April 22, 2012, 12:35:18 am
I'm in it for the porn and depraved slashfics, one of which I'm writing right now.Dude, pass it along when you're done.
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And I'm annoyed by passive aggressive posts about people being annoyed by previous annoying behavior in the "Internet habits which annoy you" threads.What about passive aggressive posts about people being annoyed by annoying behavior in the "Internet habits which annoy you thread" that was posted before the offending post was?
;)
Post by: Sirus on April 22, 2012, 12:39:21 am
Ugh, too much of a mouthful. Quick, someone come up with a snappier version!
Post by: EveryZig on April 22, 2012, 12:46:12 am
Annoyance-ception?The internet :P
Ugh, too much of a mouthful. Quick, someone come up with a snappier version!
Post by: Flying Dice on April 22, 2012, 01:25:54 am
Post by: Sirus on April 22, 2012, 01:27:33 am
Post by: Descan on April 22, 2012, 01:31:02 am
Like something because you like it, don't force yourself to like it/watch it just because a bunch of people like it and are vocal about it. :I
Post by: Flying Dice on April 22, 2012, 01:35:09 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 22, 2012, 01:41:49 am
Related to the above point, people who believe in the friendzone. No, bad. That is not how healthy human relationships actually work. Go sit in the corner.
MLP's fanbase in general. I tried to be peaceful about it once my friends stopped actively trying to convert me, but it's really just gotten completely out of hand by this point.
Inability to type in recognizable English when that is the language one is attempting to communicate with.
Supporting unoriginal comments on things like they're innovative.
Badly attempted corporate exploitation of internet subcultures, and people who go along with it even when they realize what's going on. Corporate exploitation of internet subcultures can lead to good things, but only if we make them work at it by rejecting any of it that gets unveiled.
Post by: dreadmullet on April 22, 2012, 01:44:06 am
I don't mind bronies. Watch whatever kid's show you want, I care not. What I do mind are animated .gifs of ponies invading my vision.
People who ask a question or suggest a feature without searching for it.
Like was mentioned above, people who use really terrible image services, like ImageShack. Every time I click on an ImageShack link, it takes me to the web site, and there's no visible way to see the entire image. I don't even click on ImageShack links anymore.
Post by: The Fool on April 22, 2012, 01:51:10 am
Like was mentioned above, people who use really terrible image services, like ImageShack. Every time I click on an ImageShack link, it takes me to the web site, and there's no visible way to see the entire image. I don't even click on ImageShack links anymore.
If I'm not mistaken there is a way past it, but you need to know how to read URL code. Just go into the page source and see if you can find where they stored the bigger image. I've done this a few times if I really want an image.
Post by: dreadmullet on April 22, 2012, 01:57:18 am
Post by: zchris13 on April 22, 2012, 01:57:48 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 22, 2012, 02:34:48 am
Also, Imageshack. Always redirects me to a 'domain unregistered' screen, which makes it annoying if you're trying to get context out of pictures.
Finally, although specific, people posting remixes of songs, but actually ripping MIDIs off of VGMusic or somewhere and placing ill-themed instruments to replace the instrument channels. You know what this feels, if you're occasionally digging through the net to find a good enough remix for a song.
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on April 22, 2012, 02:36:52 am
you shouldn't post drunk kids
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 22, 2012, 02:41:31 am
Post by: Yoink on April 22, 2012, 02:42:06 am
Annoyance-ception?The internet :P
Ugh, too much of a mouthful. Quick, someone come up with a snappier version!
I'd sig this, but you used too many emoticons and forgot the punctuation, not to mention the lack of a capital 'I'.
Post by: GalenEvil on April 22, 2012, 02:43:30 am
Post by: MonkeyHead on April 22, 2012, 02:48:00 am
The first most is that people actually then to what they say, completing the feedback cycle.
Post by: lordcooper on April 22, 2012, 02:50:17 am
Post by: GalenEvil on April 22, 2012, 02:53:05 am
this message approved by the unequivocal trolls of the interwebs and all subsidiaries therein... we thank you for fuel
EDIT!
LordCooper... your avatar pic looks like someone doing a handstand inside of an ameoba... and that person has something resembling a huge tumor growing out of one of its legs... rather creepy, and thus I approve heartily :D keep up the good work!
Post by: noodle0117 on April 22, 2012, 05:01:47 am
@OP: I just noticed this...why is your image called Dwarfgif.png? :PIt was originally an animated gif, but I never got around to finishing the last 10%.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 22, 2012, 06:51:12 am
Imageshack is bad if you don't know how to use it.
I use imageshack, just copy the direct link and place it in an img bracket, no links.
I don't mind MLP, or the GIF spam, but their constant attempts at indoctrinating others annoys me. Why can't they just leave people alone?
Wait wut you had a Derpy avatar a while back...?
Also.
Mandatory.
"THAT'S THE POWER...
OF RELIGION." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBVrPG2qmnI)
Even though I've not actually witnessed this cult like conversion behaviour... Not that I doubt it exists somewhere.
Most of all though, would have to be the abolishment of #1/#2
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 22, 2012, 07:31:10 am
But I absolutely know I didn't force-feed MLP into anyone, ever. Unless if pony avatars count as indoctrinating.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 22, 2012, 07:54:55 am
Unless if pony avatars count as indoctrinating.
They make baby seals cry.
Never felt like I've had MLP stuffed down my throat, though that might be because this is the only web community I frequent.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 22, 2012, 10:24:42 am
That just makes it better, though!Annoyance-ception?The internet :P
Ugh, too much of a mouthful. Quick, someone come up with a snappier version!
I'd sig this, but you used too many emoticons and forgot the punctuation, not to mention the lack of a capital 'I'.
Derail sense tingling! First mention of MLP in the context of the last post imminent in 36 minutes and 1 hour! Or something?Boom. Perfect called shot on that one.
Post by: kaijyuu on April 22, 2012, 11:00:57 am
Unless if pony avatars count as indoctrinating.It does to some, I know! I remember arguing with one person who wanted people to stop identifying with ponies entirely just because they were tired of seeing avatars and such. Some people are really egocentric and find passive communication of interests/hobbies to be irritating.
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Never felt like I've had MLP stuffed down my throat, though that might be because this is the only web community I frequent.Yeah there have been some bad apples doing that, though none here. You can determine who's a fanboy and who's a jerk by which one will stop talking to you about it once you ask.
Post by: Starver on April 22, 2012, 12:01:16 pm
But on a forum such as this, with its current intellectual quotient, I'd heavily suggest that anyone still with a confusion about "your" and "you're"[1] overcome their oversight. I have been known to PM people with advice about this confusion (and other similar ones), but I usually hate myself for it in the cold light of day immediately after sending that. I really hate it when the reply I get back is "English is not my first language!", but that also tends to surprise me, as people in that position tend to not make such mistakes (and their posts are otherwise indistinguishable from an educated native-anglophone). Whether by a bad background in school, laziness or deliberate affectation, most offenders are English (or equivalent, but mostly English or American) through-and-through.
But I can read txtspk lk a n8tv f i wnt to, 45 \/\/311 4Z 1337 5p34k 4 7h0z p|_4C3Z 7h@ |2I73 !7. Forgive me if I dislike those who carry this habit (in a non-exemplar way!) onto 'proper' forums, though.
I have so many other things that I'm annoyed about (some of which are already mentioned), but I'll forgo that, as one of the bad internet habits that I have is rambling on and on and on and on... Case in point: the above and the footnotes below.
Noodle: Magma, yes?
[1] I have a theory about this... Possessives normally are apostrophised (Starver's post, Noodle's thread) and that kicks some otherwise well-grammared individuals into picking the wrong choice. Certainly this has been the case for me with possessive "its" (as opposed to contracted "it's <= it is"), before it was pointed out to me that "it's", "he's", "she's", "they's", "us's", "you's", are all (by way of being earlier solidified in language before current language rules[2] might well have re-standardised them as other than "its", "his", "hers", "their", "our" and "your". In fact, I have a tendency to additionally use "ones" ("belongs to one", where "one" is the indefinite person, or first person if you're using language like the Queen or Margaret Thatcher[3]), because I think that this particular usage of "one" fits much better with the "irregular grouping" than with the workaday regular possessive transformations.
[2] Oh, and I pay little head to the "Language is always changing!" argument, especially when it comes to justify "could of" usage. There's logical morphing according to new needs (the invention of new terms for new technologies/applications of technology), and in the old days there was a lot of ignorant and illiterate morphing, but there's no real excuse for most of the 'illiterate morphing' you see in this day and age.
[3] It'd still be "One's Complement" in computing, or any other instance where the digit (or value) is being described.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 22, 2012, 12:16:52 pm
I just say "aim it at the audience".
I read that in the wrong frame of mind and now I can't unthink it.
Post by: Fenrir on April 22, 2012, 12:29:45 pm
[2] Oh, and I pay little head to the "Language is always changing!" argument, especially when it comes to justify "could of" usage. There's logical morphing according to new needs (the invention of new terms for new technologies/applications of technology), and in the old days there was a lot of ignorant and illiterate morphing, but there's no real excuse for most of the 'illiterate morphing' you see in this day and age.This. Yes, the language was different 100 years ago, and it shall be different 100 years into the future, but ‘could of’ is awkward and clumsy right now.
Post by: Johuotar on April 22, 2012, 12:31:31 pm
And I am annoyed by people who condemn nonconforming behavior when it lacks any actual practical or ethical downsides.
This.
you shouldn't post drunk kidsYeah, one should avoid that. Thanks for giving me new idea for avatar though!
Post by: Fenrir on April 22, 2012, 12:35:05 pm
Did he? Your avatar does not even mention drunk kids.you shouldn't post drunk kidsYeah, one should avoid that. Thanks for giving me new idea for avatar though!
Post by: Telgin on April 22, 2012, 12:40:25 pm
I'm not sure I consider the whole poor grammer thing a valid answer to this since it's not exactly a habit and is hardly limited to the internet. But... it still jars me whenever I see people get possessiveness wrong on words, or use then / than improperly. Or your / you're. Or their / there / they're. Possesiveness on its / it's is a bit less of a problem to me since it goes against the common rules of English.
Anyway... not sure that I should continue the MLP discussion considering how many mines there are in that minefield (and the effects of their previous detonations), but I can completely understand where everyone is coming from there. I'm a brony, but I used to hate it whenever I had anime shoved in my face at every turn on the internet. I still don't care for anime, but I used to detest it because I couldn't get away from it, and people made it out as if it was just absolutely magically more fantabulous than western animation because Japan. Or something like that. I've learned to mostly just not care now, because I realized it was pretty stupid to get so irritated at nothing.
There are pretty strong parallels to the current brony community. Ponies are everywhere and if you don't like it, it's pretty hard to avoid ponies. It's one of the main reasons I don't have a pony avatar, for example. I know how the people who don't like ponies feel.
To be fair though, I mellowed out about the anime thing before I became a brony.
Post by: palsch on April 22, 2012, 01:57:56 pm
An outsider* criticised** something we hold dear? THEY MUST DIE***!
I can think of a number of communities I share interests with where their reaction to criticism, usually accurate/justified, has put me off them far more than the criticism itself.
*Outsider may or may not be an outsider. More often a fan who has been put off by something.
**Criticism usually here means actually analysed to demonstrate flaws using an explicit set of criterion.
***Usually actionable death threats are only occasional, although death wishes and borderline threats are common. If female, rape threats and wishes guaranteed, regardless of the criticised group's progressive/accepting/female friendly credentials.
Post by: DarkWolfXV on April 22, 2012, 02:03:49 pm
MLP gifs.
Stupid youtube comments
Post by: Leafsnail on April 22, 2012, 02:11:15 pm
This. Yes, the language was different 100 years ago, and it shall be different 100 years into the future, but ‘could of’ is awkward and clumsy right now."Could care less" and others that reverse the meaning of the original phrase (eg "Impossible to understate his contribution" for someone who contributed a lot) are ones that I can't quite tolerate either. It's better if you can logically work out what a phrase means rather than have it backwards.
Post by: Skyrunner on April 22, 2012, 02:37:10 pm
When people say "dwarfs"
Your height dwarfs me o_o
Post by: Mr Frog on April 22, 2012, 02:46:37 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on April 22, 2012, 02:47:53 pm
When people say "dwarfs"
Your height dwarfs me o_o
Of course, the classical usage of the word was in fact "dwarfs". Tolkien used "dwarves" (as well as other things, such as "elvish" instead of "elfish") to differentiate between his conception of them and the contemporary norm. So if anything, "dwarfs" is 'more correct', though wrangling over something like that borders on pendantry. That said, I really wish that "dwarrow" had taken hold, rather than "dwarves".
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 22, 2012, 03:15:24 pm
Most annoying for me though is internet elitism. Be it indie elitism, console elitism, old game elitism, any of that shit.
you shouldn't post drunk kidsYeah, one should avoid that. Thanks for giving me new idea for avatar though!
Wait. If I never posted drunk I'd never post?
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 22, 2012, 03:39:33 pm
Wait. If I never posted drunk I'd never post?In that case you should avoid posting sober. Just have to pick a state of mind and commit to it.
Post by: Virex on April 22, 2012, 03:53:48 pm
you shouldn't post drunk kidsTrue, their parents tend to not like that.
Post by: Sirus on April 22, 2012, 04:27:19 pm
People Who Type Like This.It Could Just Be The Very Long Title Of A Book. Have You Ever Thought Of That?
It Annoys The Hell Out Of Me And Makes It Very Hard To Read.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 22, 2012, 04:32:54 pm
That Still WouldN't Make Sense. Unless Every Word Was Someone's Name.People Who Type Like This.It Could Just Be The Very Long Title Of A Book. Have You Ever Thought Of That?
It Annoys The Hell Out Of Me And Makes It Very Hard To Read.
Post by: Sirus on April 22, 2012, 04:33:29 pm
In all seriousness, I think some forums automatically turn ALL-CAPS POSTS OF RAGE into the stuff that bugs you. It's not them typing it out themselves (sometimes).No, But I Don't Think That A 3 Paragraph Long Post Would Be The Title Of A Book (Yes, I Have Seen Someone Type That Much Like This. I Fail To See Why They Do, All It Does Is Take More Time Than typing like this)People Who Type Like This.It Could Just Be The Very Long Title Of A Book. Have You Ever Thought Of That?
It Annoys The Hell Out Of Me And Makes It Very Hard To Read.
Post by: Glowcat on April 22, 2012, 04:35:14 pm
Post by: Telgin on April 22, 2012, 04:37:56 pm
People Who Type Like This.
It Annoys The Hell Out Of Me And Makes It Very Hard To Read.
Oh, this...
My manager does this in comments in his programs and scripts. No idea why. It used to annoy me when I read it, but like everything else you're subjected to for extended periods I grew numb to it. He's a great programmer otherwise, so it's forgivable I suppose. I perform the arguably worse sin of over commenting everything, so I don't mention it.
At least program comments are generally short. If I had to read an entire paragraph written that way I'd want to stab my eyes out.
Post by: Sirus on April 22, 2012, 04:38:43 pm
Technically, You Should Capitalize All Proper Nouns, Though Admittedly Most If Not All Of Them Are Names.I Fail To See How This Method Of Capitalization Impairs Literacy.I Find It Harder To Read Than Proper Typing. You Should Only Capitalise Names, 'I', And After A Full-Stop (Or Period)
Post by: lorb on April 22, 2012, 04:40:27 pm
Post by: Fenrir on April 22, 2012, 04:47:33 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on April 22, 2012, 04:49:49 pm
Code: [Select]
~~big chunk of code~~
//So, just to mention I had a heck of a time writing this ^^ I really really hate arrays :P Don't you? o_O
~~more code~~^That documentation? Or more like the manual?
Post by: Starver on April 22, 2012, 04:52:36 pm
Possesiveness on its / it's is a bit less of a problem to me since it goes against the common rules of English.
Except, the way I see it, it is part of a regular set of irregularity. Hence why I'm also tempted to push for "When wearing ones crown..." to join the same set. Consider it as an equivalent of the 'C-exception' part of "I before E, except after C". (Except that there are actually quite a lot of words that break the rule, exception-class or otherwise. ;) )
Spoiler: In a similar vein when it comes to exceptions (click to show/hide)
Although should this also cover "this's" and "that's" (belonging to this thing and that thing, not "this/that is" contracted)? Those words seem to sit well within the he/she/it/us/them/me/you(/one) grouping of special possessives. And, what's more, rather than "add an 's'", maybe they should have been words like "their" (not "they's" except without the apostrophe) rather than "its" ("it's" without). Actually, there are remnants of such possible forms in some English dialects... "thisn", perhaps, although that's often written "this'n", but with the apostrophe not being a possessive or a contraction but an artefact of speech.
Oh, and as I appear to have derailed on apostrophes, here's something doubtless controversial (because some respected Stylebooks say "yes, always", some respected Stylebooks say "no, never", and others go "yes/no, but do whatever you think works in context)... No apostrophes for pluralising Initialisms, please. Many people work at PCs, installing software from CDs or DVDs, writing their CVs and such, with nary a need for apostrophes to distinguish those letters from the PCS (possibly the Public and Commercial Services union), CDS (Cockpit Display System), DVDS (Digital Video Distribution System) or CVS (Concurrent Versions System), and still letting them work on employment notes left on the PC's hard drive or readable from any given CD's or DVD's surface (or, indeed, all their CDs' and DVDs' data, if they have a collection) while improving their CV's layout.
But then I don't write ICBM as I.C.B.M. (which is the way I was always told to use initialisms) and I use too many TLAs (or ETLAs, or VETLAs), FYI, IYSWIM. So YMMV, HTH, HAND. And, there I shall end because I'm going AFK. BRB!
Post by: Johuotar on April 22, 2012, 04:54:37 pm
Laughed when posting this.
EDIT:Nt really a habit actually, I need to go to sleep before I post something even dumber :P
Post by: Fenrir on April 22, 2012, 04:55:35 pm
Manuals and official wikis.Code: [Select]~~big chunk of code~~
//So, just to mention I had a heck of a time writing this ^^ I really really hate arrays :P Don't you? o_O
~~more code~~
^That documentation? Or more like the manual?
Post by: Skyrunner on April 22, 2012, 05:01:20 pm
I agree with your apostrophes and contractions part.
I really cringe a bit whenever I see things like PC's, or CD's, or ICBM's...
Post by: Pnx on April 22, 2012, 05:01:55 pm
DF memes, general 4 chan terms used elsewhere on the net, people not letting other people like or dislike what they like or dislike and general stuff like that.Personally I try to be elitist about things not many other people are elitist about.
Most annoying for me though is internet elitism. Be it indie elitism, console elitism, old game elitism, any of that shit.
I also dislike the DF memes, they were funny five years ago, but I've just seen them so many times that they're really kinda irritating these days... It's why I generally stopped frequenting DF general discussion.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 22, 2012, 05:12:16 pm
To my knowledge, regarding possessives ending in an 's', either "s's" or "s'" (e.g. "Smithers's car" or "Smithers' car") are acceptable in modern English, so long as you are internally consistent.
Post by: Starver on April 22, 2012, 05:14:23 pm
As I understand it (or, as it were, "AIUI"), when we read, we don't read each letter. We look at the shape of a word, generally looking at it further if it doesn't quite pass the brain's own sanity-test while scanning the text. Hence some of the "switch letters not at at the start or end of the word" tricks not only working to the knowing, but sometimes inadvertent examples creeping in under the radar of original author and later proofreaders.
Capital letters at the start of a sentence are a pausing point, anyway, but capital letters are also expected in other places. Proper names, "I" and all German nouns are something that we are taught to expect, and it looks strange to me to see "And so i talked to paul" as doubtless a German would upon reading "klinik für psychiatrie und psychotherapie" without all words (but the "für" and "und") capitalised.
When You See Each And Every Word Pre-capitalised Then It Breaks The Easy Pattern-Matching Process (Or Makes The Brain Think The Sentence Is Being Reset Each Time, Perhaps). This Therefore May Read Awkwardly To Otherwise Fluent Readers Who Are Not Used To Such Things. Warning Signs May Well Be Written In This Manner In Order To Make An Impact On The Reader!
OF COURSE, WRITING IN ALLCAPS IS EVEN MORE PATTERN-BREAKING (AND OFTEN LOOKS LIKE SHOUTING... OR, TO FANS OF TERRY PRATCHETT, THE VOICE OF DEATH HIMESELF). BUT I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF FORUMS WHERE THE SOFTWARE TAKES ALLCAPS POSTS AND 'DOWNCONVERTS' IT INTO MERELY INITIALCAPS. LESS ANNOYING, BUT WHERE IT HAS BEEN DONE AS A TITLE HEADING OF SOME KIND IT STILL RETAINS SOME IMPACT, AS IF 'BOLDED')
of course, there's the possibility (one which i would normally never do) that the author of something online eschews capitals altogether. this generally means that regular words, throughout the sentences, match the expected patterns of the reader, but does tend to play havoc with the first-person possessive, a clear indication of new sentences, proper names, and popular acronyms (e.g.: fyi, brb, iyswim) for people who aren't used to the lower-case forms (who may have similar problems with the upper-case forms that others would naturally use). exclude punctuation altogether and i can guarantee you it could be confusing to extend the example further
(After the ")." there could have been anything from one to three separate sentences, although I've taken pity on you and not intentionally made anything where the sense changes too much when you do insert commas, full-stops, semi-colons or whatever into there. ;) )
Post by: Starver on April 22, 2012, 05:26:15 pm
@Starver:
To my knowledge, regarding possessives ending in an 's', either "s's" or "s'" (e.g. "Smithers's car" or "Smithers' car") are acceptable in modern English, so long as you are internally consistent.
Let's just say that I would always pronounce "Smithersez car", "Jonesez van", although the former is quite a bit unwieldy, I know. And I know this is another point of contention between some Styleguides, but I think that as far as I am concerned I would write with "'s" on the end of "Smithers" or "Jones".
To me, seeing "That's Smithers' car" indicates more a car belonging to a number of people of the Smither family. Or, perhaps a company called "Smithers", given the attitude that I think Waterstones (neé "Waterstone's") has recently succumbed to that a business name can drop the apostrophe, or whatever it is they have for a long time done for the likes of W.H.Smiths, Woolworths, Debenhams, MacDonalds, etc.
But that's standards for you. So many different ones to choose from. ;)
(You do not of course mean that you'd write "a gas' molecules" instead of "a gas's molecules", although it does definitely apply to the plurals, so "each gasses' molecules".)
Post by: Flying Dice on April 22, 2012, 05:42:40 pm
@Starver:
To my knowledge, regarding possessives ending in an 's', either "s's" or "s'" (e.g. "Smithers's car" or "Smithers' car") are acceptable in modern English, so long as you are internally consistent.
Let's just say that I would always pronounce "Smithersez car", "Jonesez van", although the former is quite a bit unwieldy, I know. And I know this is another point of contention between some Styleguides, but I think that as far as I am concerned I would write with "'s" on the end of "Smithers" or "Jones".
To me, seeing "That's Smithers' car" indicates more a car belonging to a number of people of the Smither family. Or, perhaps a company called "Smithers", given the attitude that I think Waterstones (neé "Waterstone's") has recently succumbed to that a business name can drop the apostrophe, or whatever it is they have for a long time done for the likes of W.H.Smiths, Woolworths, Debenhams, MacDonalds, etc.
But that's standards for you. So many different ones to choose from. ;)
(You do not of course mean that you'd write "a gas' molecules" instead of "a gas's molecules", although it does definitely apply to the plurals, so "each gasses' molecules".)
Personally, I agree with you in that it is clearer to reserve "s'" for plural possessives, but it isn't incorrect(AFAIK) to use it for singular possessives. Again, though, it can lack clarity. Hence why I try to avoid it in my writing. I generally use the forms and standards that most effectively convey the meaning I intend.
As for the latter, of course not, as we have the "es" construct for that reason. I believe the only place where I've seen the "s'" singular possessive used is for proper nouns. So in short, the "s'" singular possessive is of borderline acceptablility, and isn't the clearest way to convey meaning. A perfect example of a feature of the language that you'd wish the "popular usage" people would target, instead of reasonable, useful things.
Post by: Blargityblarg on April 22, 2012, 06:42:15 pm
Technically, You Should Capitalize All Proper Nouns, Though Admittedly Most If Not All Of Them Are Names.I Fail To See How This Method Of Capitalization Impairs Literacy.I Find It Harder To Read Than Proper Typing. You Should Only Capitalise Names, 'I', And After A Full-Stop (Or Period)
My Biggest Beef With This Is That I Automatically Work Out What The Acronym Is
(MBBWTITIAWOWTAI)
Post by: Derekristow on April 22, 2012, 06:57:47 pm
Homestuck really numbs you to text weirdness like that though. One of the characters types specifically like that in fact.
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 22, 2012, 07:04:27 pm
Post by: zombie urist on April 22, 2012, 07:28:15 pm
Post by: Interus on April 22, 2012, 09:18:05 pm
More seriously, in certain discussions, there's a kind of argument that really annoys me. When people say something like "Oh sure, they support that solution now, but as soon as it's enacted, they'll be the ones complaining about the consequences." I used to see it really often, but I tend to avoid major discussions these days so I don't know if it's still prevalent. My biggest issue is that it sounds like the person disagrees with both options, and assumes that both sides must agree with each other or be the same people or something if they disagree with him.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 22, 2012, 10:58:52 pm
Post by: Starver on April 22, 2012, 11:00:51 pm
Just saying. BTDTGTT-S.
Post by: Putnam on April 22, 2012, 11:17:58 pm
Less a habit and more of an inevitable law: You post something, and just after doing so, you realize it sounds really stupid/you made a mistake/you want to reword it/etc., so you click 'modify', and your browser suddenly takes ten times as long to change to ensure that someone will quote your stupidity.
Arghleblargle.
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 22, 2012, 11:21:36 pm
Less a habit and more of an inevitable law: You post something, and just after doing so, you realize it sounds really stupid/you made a mistake/you want to reword it/etc., so you click 'modify', and your browser suddenly takes ten times as long to change to ensure that someone will quote your stupidity.
Yeah. Super embarrassing when you confuse 'to' with 'for' and then you post... and then it takes a while to load, and then someone quoted your post.
Post by: DarkWolfXV on April 23, 2012, 06:09:44 am
(OMG I HATE IT SO MUCH THAT IT BURNS MY EYES WHEN I SEE IT. There are 3 known girls in my class which we call "Pokemons" for typing like this, acting like total douche, being brainless, stupid, and Justin obessed. Pokemon is official subculture in Poland, or whatever is this Justin Bieber cult called)
Post by: Darvi on April 23, 2012, 06:11:54 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 23, 2012, 07:45:19 am
Post by: DarkWolfXV on April 23, 2012, 07:46:39 am
Post by: Darvi on April 23, 2012, 07:47:30 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 23, 2012, 07:49:12 am
Oh the implications.True that.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 23, 2012, 09:58:33 am
Never going to unthink that.Oh the implications.True that.
Post by: Johuotar on April 23, 2012, 12:21:25 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on April 23, 2012, 12:32:57 pm
(Oh, is that a misplaced set of ellipses I see? That might have annoyed the next poster. Whoops.)
Post by: Andal on April 23, 2012, 01:31:24 pm
Bringing pony into non-pony discussions/threads. Unless baited. Then the gloves are off.
All the bizarre typing styles people use. Is it seriously that hard to type like a normal, sane human being (whatever that is, I guess)?
But most of all, I reserve a spot in the special hell for people who misuse ellipses, especially those that use ellipses instead of all other forms of punctuation. Seriously, stop it. I read your posts like you're gasping for breath or trailing off listlessly in the middle of sentences, and it's friggin' obnoxious.
Post by: Darvi on April 23, 2012, 01:34:11 pm
All the bizarre typing styles people use. Is it seriously that hard to type like a normal, sane human being (whatever that is, I guess)?GC: H3Y, 1 4M 4 NORM4L P3RSON! >:/
Post by: Andal on April 23, 2012, 01:37:16 pm
All the bizarre typing styles people use. Is it seriously that hard to type like a normal, sane human being (whatever that is, I guess)?GC: H3Y, 1 4M 4 NORM4L P3RSON! >:/
Lies! Lies I tell you!
Post by: Flying Dice on April 23, 2012, 03:24:21 pm
Should I be happy or sad I didnt get it?Depends on your opinion of assaulting shallow, obnoxious teenaged girls, locking them in pocket dimensions, and forcing them to fight for your amusement.
Post by: Darvi on April 23, 2012, 03:27:00 pm
Post by: DarkWolfXV on April 23, 2012, 03:30:54 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on April 23, 2012, 03:52:33 pm
Cheerleader uses PomPom.
It is not very effective.
Post by: kaijyuu on April 23, 2012, 05:34:25 pm
The process of taking something unique and novel and repeating it in order to make it mundane and average. Most often applied to jokes.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 23, 2012, 05:40:49 pm
Although technically this thread sorta steps on that toe?
I'm growing worse at handling negatives here, and the only relative thing for this thread is more a subjective thing than a general issue with anything.
Post by: Gamerlord on April 23, 2012, 06:17:15 pm
For gods sake I have 30-odd other webcomics I read, I don't have time for another!
Post by: kaenneth on April 23, 2012, 06:25:29 pm
Disregarding posts at the bottom of a forum page... poor lost little posts.
Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 23, 2012, 08:57:44 pm
Post by: GalenEvil on April 23, 2012, 09:27:03 pm
Sorry had to do that. A lot of the time I don't realize that I am just typing out a lot of ellipses until after I post since I sorta do not look at the screen when thoughts come flowing out and instead go into a stream of consciousness mode where the ellipses sorta make sense. In my head it feels more like a dramatic pause than the comma, though that does not excuse me from using them way too damned much and being annoying about it.
Post by: Skyrunner on April 23, 2012, 09:31:16 pm
Post by: Sirus on April 23, 2012, 09:32:56 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on April 23, 2012, 09:33:06 pm
The general rule of thumb I follow is that ellipses (in fiction) are usually only good for dialogue in which someone is trailing off in mid-sentence.
Post by: Skyrunner on April 23, 2012, 09:35:55 pm
I tend to use the semicolon; it also helps.
Ah, but take the colon: it is MOAR dramatic than the semicolon; notice the lack of DRAMA in the semicolon.
Ellipses are to be used only when:
- Trailing off thoughts/speech
- Omitting words when quoting
- Probably more situations, but I cannot remember...
Post by: Sirus on April 23, 2012, 09:37:33 pm
Rather than your train of thought slipping away, the double hyphen implies that you have been cut off--!
Post by: GalenEvil on April 23, 2012, 09:51:04 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on April 23, 2012, 10:20:36 pm
In short, when a regular comma list is confusing because of commas in items in the list, semicolons can be commas.
The double hypen, or rather the em dash—usable instead of parentheses—is quite nice, and should be included on standard keyboards. It also can be used as emphasis—but not all the time.
Actually, I can't remember if – or — was the em dash, and/or if the en dash was used for the above...
Colons are misused D: They can do much more than be a list introducer but have a stereotype as such to GalenEvil and undoubtly others.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 23, 2012, 10:50:35 pm
Post by: kaenneth on April 23, 2012, 10:57:55 pm
Post by: Kadzar on April 24, 2012, 01:09:12 am
Post by: lordcooper on April 24, 2012, 01:16:37 am
Since this thread is here, I just want to say I hate it when people say they like or love something that they quite obviously hate. It's just so annoyingly passive-aggressive.like
Post by: Darvi on April 24, 2012, 03:13:20 am
Yes I'm a closet grammar nazi :V
Post by: palsch on April 24, 2012, 07:41:46 am
Actually, I can't remember if – or — was the em dash, and/or if the en dash was used for the above...The en dash is the length of an N and the em dash the length of an M. Except where they aren't. The ratio should be ~1:2 but depends on the font.
The Chicago Manual of Style uses em dashes in the manner you did, with no spaces. This means it's almost certainly wrong. Outside the US en dashes with spaces before and after are more common and frankly easier on a standard keyboard. And - IMO - easier on the eyes.
And another grammar one that I'm as guilty of as anyone; the, goddamned, Shatner comma. (http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2010/02/what-is-it-with-students-and-with-commas-part-ii.html) As a general rule I strip 90% of commas out of any text I'm proof reading, forcing myself to justify strongly any kept.
Post by: Andal on April 24, 2012, 08:11:49 am
Post by: Telgin on April 24, 2012, 09:40:03 am
I also try to write things out as I say them in my head. That results in me also putting commas in places where I'd take a pause. It also results in commas in places they don't rightly belong.
I had to remove several commas from this very post as I was writing it. I probably removed some I shouldn't have in the process. :P
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 24, 2012, 09:48:21 am
Post by: freeformschooler on April 24, 2012, 09:48:48 am
He didn't do that, because it was a bad idea.
...is incorrect? That's right, I've been putting commas before subordination words my whole life. You can only do that before certain words (for and nor but or yet so). As I've discovered, taking the commas out of subordination makes my sentences flow a LOT better.
HOWEVER! Let's say I have a sentence like this:
I didn't want to do that, but did.
Even though the coordinator "but" is in there, it's incorrect because the part after the coordinator word is not a complete sentence! So I'm forced to use "but" as a subordinator.
I'm not even an English major or minor and these kinds of things rattle me.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 24, 2012, 11:57:32 am
Post by: Andal on April 24, 2012, 12:16:58 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on April 24, 2012, 01:52:10 pm
Actually, I can't remember if – or — was the em dash, and/or if the en dash was used for the above...The en dash is the length of an N and the em dash the length of an M. Except where they aren't. The ratio should be ~1:2 but depends on the font.
The Chicago Manual of Style uses em dashes in the manner you did, with no spaces. This means it's almost certainly wrong. Outside the US en dashes with spaces before and after are more common and frankly easier on a standard keyboard. And - IMO - easier on the eyes.
Why are you so pessimistic about the CMoS(whatever that is)?
Also, you're probably wrong — however bad the CMoS is, the fact is that most, if not all, publishers use the closed dash, not the opened dash. Both styles are—IIRC—equally correct. I used closed dashes on purpose in my quoted post, while most of the time I use opened ones.
The two books I have right now, one from Princeton Review, the other from Harper Collins, both use closed dashes.
EDIT: I also am guilty of comma overdosage >.>
something that annoys me, both online and in real lfe, but more the latter than the former: 'gay' as an adjective that means some general bad qualities. :\
ex:
This homework is so gay.
That's gay!
You're gay.
:\ They surely don't mean 'happy' when using 'gay', and I don't think the homework is homosexual.
Really. Why the hell is 'gay' a derisive adjective?! (I think I spelled that d-word wrong.)
Post by: Dutchling on April 24, 2012, 01:58:38 pm
What a surprise, I'm also guilty of comma overuse. I've taken to reading anything I write out loud before turning it in/posting the link because of that exact problem.Learn German. My German teacher basically told us to put a comma everywhere you think one might be needed as the Germans love their comma's. Dutch seems to be between German and English in that regard, as I'm quite sure Freeformschooler's first sentence would have needed a comma in Dutch.
Post by: palsch on April 24, 2012, 02:02:02 pm
Why are you so pessimistic about the CMoS(whatever that is)?Mostly just humour, partially that the CMoS tends to be prescriptivist American grammar and so not overly common in the broader written English language. Even the editors tend not to be as strict as the guide is in the vast majority of cases. Still better than most other style manuals at least.
In this case it's mostly American literature that uses the closed em-dash. Outside the US nearly everyone other than Oxford press seems to use the open en. And yeah, both are 'correct' insofar as there is a correct option here. The last bit was just personal preference.
Post by: Skyrunner on April 24, 2012, 02:04:40 pm
One weird thing about my country's books osthat ellipses are like ••• but smaller. That is, they are in the middle of the air, not flat like Western ellipses . . .
Post by: RedKing on April 24, 2012, 02:15:52 pm
I blame my history degree. History majors are the kind to stop in mid-thought and realize that you "need" additional backstory to whatever they're saying, so they launch into a tangent in mid-sentence, then try to pick up the line of thought after the tangent.
Post by: Dutchling on April 24, 2012, 02:20:47 pm
Hmm, I can't remember if any of my books had opened dashes — most of the time I don't even notice whether they're open or not.What do you do with those lines anyway?
One weird thing about my country's books osthat ellipses are like ••• but smaller. That is, they are in the middle of the air, not flat like Western ellipses . . .
Post by: Skyrunner on April 24, 2012, 02:22:07 pm
Hmm, I can't remember if any of my books had opened dashes — most of the time I don't even notice whether they're open or not.What do you do with those lines anyway?
One weird thing about my country's books osthat ellipses are like ••• but smaller. That is, they are in the middle of the air, not flat like Western ellipses . . .
Make chocolate brownies that are 90 calories apiece. Tastey!
Post by: Johuotar on April 24, 2012, 02:27:48 pm
Post by: Jervous on April 24, 2012, 02:48:46 pm
Things that annoy me on the world wide web(Some are habits okay):
People that are obsessed with grammar and punctuation and will call people out constantly on problems with what they wrote as if it actually mattered (""Grammer Nazi's"")
People that obsess over games, for example trying to be the best
People that try to act 'insane', 'random', or 'awkward' to be funny or just be generally unlikeable
Tumblr and reblogging pointless shit
This emoticon "^^"
This emoticon "<<; >>"
Any emoticon lacking a mouth that's trying to be passive-aggressive but really just making the user out to be a person who thinks they are intelligent
People that are overintelligent(actually intelligent or not, it doesn't matter) and are generally annoying
People that bandwagon fandoms
People that are so oversensitive they will ragequit conversations
People that go on the internet when they are drunk or high and shove it in people's faces
People that get upset over petty and tiny things
People that try to stand up for something they don't understand or have no business defending
Easily offended people
People that can't take a joke
People that are so obsessed with trolls they can't go a page without posting the word at least twenty times
People that can't differentiate between 'trolling' and 'making a harmless fucking joke'
Also, the ways certain people talk(type) irritate me. I dunno why really.
I bet these are the most unpopular opinions.
Post by: Darvi on April 24, 2012, 02:52:54 pm
This emoticon "^^"What about ^_^ <_< and >_>?
This emoticon "<<; >>"
People that are overintelligent(actually intelligent or not, it doesn't matter) and are generally annoyingYou mean pseudo-intellecutals?
Post by: RedKing on April 24, 2012, 02:55:42 pm
I am a pretty uncaring person so really anything I find annoying I don't exactly mind that much, but here are some things I find sorta irritating.TLDR; I hate you all SO MUCH :P
Things that annoy me on the world wide web(Some are habits okay):
People that are obsessed with grammar and punctuation and will call people out constantly on problems with what they wrote as if it actually mattered (""Grammer Nazi's"")
People that obsess over games, for example trying to be the best
People that try to act 'insane', 'random', or 'awkward' to be funny or just be generally unlikeable
Tumblr and reblogging pointless shit
This emoticon "^^"
This emoticon "<<; >>"
Any emoticon lacking a mouth that's trying to be passive-aggressive but really just making the user out to be a person who thinks they are intelligent
People that are overintelligent(actually intelligent or not, it doesn't matter) and are generally annoying
People that bandwagon fandoms
People that are so oversensitive they will ragequit conversations
People that go on the internet when they are drunk or high and shove it in people's faces
People that get upset over petty and tiny things
People that try to stand up for something they don't understand or have no business defending
Easily offended people
People that can't take a joke
People that are so obsessed with trolls they can't go a page without posting the word at least twenty times
People that can't differentiate between 'trolling' and 'making a harmless fucking joke'
Also, the ways certain people talk(type) irritate me. I dunno why really.
I bet these are the most unpopular opinions.
Post by: Skyrunner on April 24, 2012, 02:58:03 pm
This emoticon "^^"What about ^_^ <_< and >_>?
This emoticon "<<; >>"
What about >.> or <.<?
Post by: Leafsnail on April 24, 2012, 03:01:06 pm
I am a pretty uncaring person so really anything I find annoying I don't exactly mind that much
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18 things that almost everyone engages in at some point or another
Post by: Kadzar on April 24, 2012, 03:01:55 pm
I remember how mu english teacher told us not to use commas because we would get them all wrong more often if we tried to use them. :-/"Don't even bother with grammar, kids. You're just going to fuck it up anyway."
Post by: Skyrunner on April 24, 2012, 03:04:29 pm
I remember how mu english teacher told us not to use commas because we would get them all wrong more often if we tried to use them. :-/"Don't even bother with grammar, kids. You're just going to fuck it up anyway."
"Never use addition, you'll get it wrong sometime and mess all your calculations up."
Post by: Leafsnail on April 24, 2012, 03:05:41 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on April 24, 2012, 03:39:52 pm
Or ^.^, the cutest of all?This emoticon "^^"What about ^_^ <_< and >_>?
This emoticon "<<; >>"
What about >.> or <.<?
Post by: Skyrunner on April 24, 2012, 03:40:22 pm
You can avoid the use of commas in a way you can't really avoid addition, though. Heck, my maths teachers do give tips on "easier routes" for questions to save time or reduce the chance of errors.I suppose I should change it to 'never use division, always use multiplication'.
Or ^.^, the cutest of all?
Personally, too cute for me >.>
Post by: Patchouli on April 24, 2012, 03:51:20 pm
I associate it with passive-aggressiveness, condescension, and just plain rudeness.
Probably from all the silly internet arguments where one guy will say things like, "Maybe if you weren't such a *, then it wouldn't bother you so much ;)"
Maybe by themselves, I can handle rudeness or the emote ;), but my head just associates the two so strongly.
EDIT: Had to disable smilies. The picture one doesn't bother me as much, even if does look a bit too smug for no reason. It's the sideways ;) that is super-negative.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 24, 2012, 03:56:52 pm
Post by: kaenneth on April 24, 2012, 03:57:25 pm
Happy pig!
Post by: Jervous on April 24, 2012, 04:02:37 pm
TLDR; I hate you all SO MUCH :P
yes :b
This emoticon "^^"What about ^_^ <_< and >_>?
This emoticon "<<; >>"
nah they aight. I don't know why but without that mouth the dude that uses them looks like a doooouche
People that are overintelligent(actually intelligent or not, it doesn't matter) and are generally annoyingYou mean pseudo-intellecutals?
And yeah. I mean, I'm okay with stupid people. I'm stupid. I get along with them, usually. It's just when they're trying to be smart...
I am a pretty uncaring person so really anything I find annoying I don't exactly mind that much
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18 things that almost everyone engages in at some point or another
oh definitely of course......
Post by: PTTG?? on April 24, 2012, 04:18:05 pm
~PTTG
Post by: UltraValican on April 24, 2012, 04:46:09 pm
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Post by: UltraValican on April 24, 2012, 04:53:02 pm
I'm probably being retarded and using the wrong word. Stuff like Sincerly, xxxSpidermanxxx or from your royal higness XxSparklyanimevampirqueen666xX reallySpoilered because some people do it on this forum.post script?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Flying Dice on April 24, 2012, 04:53:33 pm
Spoilered because some people do it on this forum.post script?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
People who make posts like this.
~*~Flying Dice~*~
Post by: freeformschooler on April 24, 2012, 04:56:38 pm
Post by: UltraValican on April 24, 2012, 04:59:19 pm
right. I say stuff like 'it was *really* hard to do it' when I'm emphasising how hard it is. People (including one of my friends, annoyingly) who put xX(insertnamehere)Xx because they think it's cool annoy me.I thought people did that because the username was already taken?
Post by: EveryZig on April 24, 2012, 05:00:32 pm
People (including one of my friends, annoyingly) who put xX(insertnamehere)Xx because they think it's cool annoy me.Of course, DF playing makes me read that as XX heavily damaged item XX. Like your classic ‼XX Goblin Corpse XX‼.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 24, 2012, 05:06:21 pm
In the circles I frequented, at least, it was mostly done by the MLG-worshipping crowd.right. I say stuff like 'it was *really* hard to do it' when I'm emphasising how hard it is. People (including one of my friends, annoyingly) who put xX(insertnamehere)Xx because they think it's cool annoy me.I thought people did that because the username was already taken?
Post by: Skyrunner on April 24, 2012, 05:16:11 pm
right. I say stuff like 'it was *really* hard to do it' when I'm emphasising how hard it is. People (including one of my friends, annoyingly) who put xX(insertnamehere)Xx because they think it's cool annoy me.I thought people did that because the username was already taken?
I thought it meant moderately damaged.
Post by: PTTG?? on April 24, 2012, 05:33:35 pm
Post by: kaenneth on April 24, 2012, 05:54:06 pm
What a surprise, I'm also guilty of comma overuse. I've taken to reading anything I write out loud before turning it in/posting the link because of that exact problem.Learn German. My German teacher basically told us to put a comma everywhere you think one might be needed as the Germans love their comma's. Dutch seems to be between German and English in that regard, as I'm quite sure Freeformschooler's first sentence would have needed a comma in Dutch.
With their incredibly long words, they need the commas to get enough oxygen while speaking.
try saying "Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz siebentausendzweihundertvierundfünfzig Betäubungsmittelverschreibungsverordnung" without collapsing a lung.
Post by: Starver on April 24, 2012, 05:59:54 pm
I will freely admit, I'm bad about commas. I write sentences like I would say them out loud, and insert commas as natural pauses in speech. This habit lends itself to a grand overabundance of commas. On the other hand, it allows you to read my sentences out loud the way I hear them in my head. I've tried to fix it, but it never seems to stick.I just tend to overuse them for subclauses and sub-subclauses. I then realise I have to parenthesise to make it clearer. Or other punctuated methods of enclosure and 'asiding'.
(Had to split and re-ordering the sentences above to avoid accidental self-reference! Look, no commas at all! Oh darn, there's one. And another.)
Post by: Gatleos on April 24, 2012, 06:12:16 pm
Every sentence was structured the same way.
The result was that his posts looked like long grocery lists.
It was pretty annoying to read.
And it drove me crazy.
Post by: Fenrir on April 24, 2012, 06:19:59 pm
I believe there was a guy around here who put a line break after every sentence.I think I know who you mean.
Every sentence was structured the same way.
The result was that his posts looked like long grocery lists.
It was pretty annoying to read.
And it drove me crazy.
His avatar was Death.
I wish I could recall his name.
Post by: Skyrunner on April 24, 2012, 06:24:36 pm
I believe there was a guy around here who put a line break after every sentence.
Every sentence was structured the same way.
The result was that his posts looked like long grocery lists.
It was pretty annoying to read.
And it drove me crazy.
My mom writes E-mails that way...
Post by: kaijyuu on April 24, 2012, 06:31:57 pm
at weird points. Probably because they have a
low resolution and don't comprehend the idea
behind word wrap.
Post by: Roboboy33 on April 24, 2012, 06:38:13 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 24, 2012, 07:39:28 pm
Both can be done on a calculator with virtually 100% accuracy (at least with no error difference between them). It's not a valid comparison. A more valid one is something like "Don't do a complicated differential equation to try and work out Fx when you can just compare the kinetic energies of an object before and after to find the work done" (yes I managed to screw this one up today). One has more scope for error because it involves more complicated rules. It's clearly possible to use a comma correctly but I can see why a teacher would tell students not to get embroiled in that mess considering that some exam boards are seriously picky about it. If you feel confident enough in your mastery of commas then just use them, I guess.You can avoid the use of commas in a way you can't really avoid addition, though. Heck, my maths teachers do give tips on "easier routes" for questions to save time or reduce the chance of errors.I suppose I should change it to 'never use division, always use multiplication'.
I'm probably being retarded and using the wrong word. Stuff like Sincerly, xxxSpidermanxxx or from your royal higness XxSparklyanimevampirqueen666xX reallyWe all know who you're referring to (Deathworks) so you might as well just tell them if it bothers you so much. Otherwise this seems like going behind someone's back (since Deathworks doesn't usually come to the lower boards).Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Skyrunner on April 24, 2012, 07:42:04 pm
Don't use the Pythagorean equation and a coordinate plane to get the sum of two vectors when you can just add up the coordinates. Because I did that...
Post by: Putnam on April 24, 2012, 07:58:21 pm
Both can be done on a calculator with virtually 100% accuracy (at least with no error difference between them). It's not a valid comparison. A more valid one is something like "Don't do a complicated differential equation to try and work out Fx when you can just compare the kinetic energies of an object before and after to find the work done" (yes I managed to screw this one up today). One has more scope for error because it involves more complicated rules. It's clearly possible to use a comma correctly but I can see why a teacher would tell students not to get embroiled in that mess considering that some exam boards are seriously picky about it. If you feel confident enough in your mastery of commas then just use them, I guess.You can avoid the use of commas in a way you can't really avoid addition, though. Heck, my maths teachers do give tips on "easier routes" for questions to save time or reduce the chance of errors.I suppose I should change it to 'never use division, always use multiplication'.I'm probably being retarded and using the wrong word. Stuff like Sincerly, xxxSpidermanxxx or from your royal higness XxSparklyanimevampirqueen666xX reallyWe all know who you're referring to (Deathworks) so you might as well just tell them if it bothers you so much. Otherwise this seems like going behind someone's back (since Deathworks doesn't usually come to the lower boards).Spoiler (click to show/hide)
knutor does it too, but I don't think knutor comes down here often either
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 24, 2012, 08:11:14 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on April 24, 2012, 08:21:14 pm
Also, an apostrophe is not mandatory before every "s". It's means it is, ted's means it belongs to ted.
Post by: Patchouli on April 24, 2012, 08:36:14 pm
Deathworks has his (her?) reasons for that. It's a philosophical difference- they think of each post as a personal letter to the rest of the forum.I actually like the sound of that a lot.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 24, 2012, 08:42:40 pm
That's how I've interpreted his/her posts as well, which probably explains why I haven't taken issue with it like I normally would.Deathworks has his (her?) reasons for that. It's a philosophical difference- they think of each post as a personal letter to the rest of the forum.I actually like the sound of that a lot.
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 24, 2012, 09:31:12 pm
Post by: Ghills on April 24, 2012, 09:56:32 pm
This especially annoys me at work. If you can't be bothered to write it up right, why did you write it? ::)
Post by: GalenEvil on April 25, 2012, 12:31:09 am
Gal-- almost did it again! >.>
Post by: kaenneth on April 30, 2012, 10:32:46 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on May 01, 2012, 07:23:52 am
Post by: PTTG?? on May 01, 2012, 11:42:30 am
Its very annoying when people necro threads, particularly when their comment adds little value.
FTFY
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 31, 2012, 04:00:03 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 31, 2012, 04:06:49 am
Post by: Bdthemag on July 31, 2012, 04:07:24 am
I literally have so many things that I dislike/hate on the internet, I'd hit the character limit halfway through the list.
Post by: miauw62 on July 31, 2012, 04:09:37 am
Post by: kaijyuu on July 31, 2012, 04:22:29 am
I've been doing this for years but didn't really consciously know it until recently. IE, whenever someone called me "gay" as an insult, I'd always respond with "no, but it'd be cool if I was" because I didn't like the unfortunate implications and wanted to passively defend homosexuals (and I can now enthusiastically respond to that attempted insult with "yes, I am!" but that's neither here nor there).
So please, if you ever meet me in real life, never point out a culture that you dislike. Chances are, next time we meet, I'll partially identify with that group out of spite. Exceptions for groups I already dislike myself (though not necessarily for the individual members within it).
So yeah, expressing dislike toward (sub)cultures is what annoys me, internet or otherwise.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 31, 2012, 05:25:05 am
Give me something interesting and new to read already. This is the internet, you don't have to rehash until the stars die.
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on July 31, 2012, 07:54:03 am
you hate highschool girls shouting YOLOI had a similar experience to this IRL. I was at a lake, and nearby was a group of people around my age, and one of them was being told by her friends that she was drunk and should come out of the water. You know what she yelled?
"Hashtag I'm Not Drunk!!!"
Seriously. What?
Post by: Azated on July 31, 2012, 08:13:57 am
There's also 'their, they're and there', especially when people say 'there' to substitute for all three. 'There' is a place. 'Their' belongs to them. 'They're' is obviously 'they-are'.
I could go on forever about these, but I'll keep it short with one more: '...' DOES NOT REPLACE A FULL STOP OR COMMA! Please people... don't do this... it's probably giving you cancer...
That's English done. Other that that, there isn't really much I find annoying about the internet.
I'm a little bit of a brony; I like the show, but I'm not a fanboy for it. I think the stories are well written, the characters are fleshed out, the voice acting is very good, and the musical numbers are really damn catchy. I can understand how people would think it's strange for men to like that kind of thing, though. I did too, before I sat down and watched a few episodes with an open mind. The first two episodes, I couldn't stop myself laughing. Then I found that I actually enjoyed the show.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on July 31, 2012, 08:16:46 am
he had this trollface avatar, and always posted one liners in all initial caps, annoying internet abreviations, making every obvious spelling and grammatical mistake and overusing smileys and memes... the odd thing was, he always seemed to say the right things. i felt him like a socrates asking the obvious question nobody thought of or ridiculing all the right things putting everything into perspective. he was fairly well respected by most who had been on the forum long enough so i think i wasn't the only one thinking that. i always thought of him as this genius in disguise or something, sounding so over the top retarded that it could only be on purpose
Post by: AntiAntiMatter on July 31, 2012, 08:47:06 am
a) Use improper spelling/grammar/capitalization outside of memes.
b) Are stupid.
c) Use lol, as I associate it with people who fall under a) and b). Not any other Internet abbreviations, just lol.
Post by: miauw62 on July 31, 2012, 09:03:57 am
I dislike it when people:
a) Use improper spelling/grammar/capitalization outside of memes.
b) Are stupid.
c) Use lol, as I associate it with people who fall under a) and b). Not any other Internet abbreviations, just lol.
Post by: frostshotgg on July 31, 2012, 09:16:38 am
I also really hate that one thread which has to have it's topic in parentheses after whatever shit the OP has decided to put there for the day. As a general rule of thumb, if the topic can't be communicated without an extra blurb at the end, one should probably revise the title.
Post by: Aklyon on July 31, 2012, 09:27:56 am
I hate people going on and on about Homestuck.You have a good point, but far more comics than I. I consider having 10 webcomics too many to add homestuck.
For gods sake I have 30-odd other webcomics I read, I don't have time for another!
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 31, 2012, 09:29:30 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
My god I just found someone exactly like this o-0
I really hate a lot of the atheists who go around the internet saying shit like "Christians are retards!" I just don't get why they feel the need to be so aggressive about all of it. I've nothing against either group of people, but really?1. They might be angry.
2. They might feel self-justified in abusing someone over their beliefs (irony eh).
3. They might've had the exact same things said to them by Christians (which is a great deal more common sadly).
4. Trololololololo
I Really Get Annoyed Sometimes When People Capitalize The First Character Of Every Word In A Sentence - Especially If The Same Person Also Puts A Space Between Commas And Full Stops , I Just Don't Get How They Even Type It Fluidly .
Post by: miauw62 on July 31, 2012, 11:11:21 am
I Really Get Annoyed Sometimes When People Capitalize The First Character Of Every Word In A Sentence - Especially If The Same Person Also Puts A Space Between Commas And Full Stops , I Just Don't Get How They Even Type It Fluidly .
Oh god, this a thousand times.
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 31, 2012, 12:15:18 pm
I lol'dc) Use lolI hate it when people use this in real life.
Post by: Svarte Troner on July 31, 2012, 02:46:36 pm
Pre-judgemental comments in general.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on July 31, 2012, 04:40:06 pm
idk, pre-judgemental sounds awkward
Post by: kaijyuu on July 31, 2012, 04:56:46 pm
i'm sure this is offtopic, but reading this thread made me think alot of this guy that used to post on another forum i frequented(maybe still does, i'm not there as often now)This is someone I would not have a problem with. Unless it's difficult to actually read or something.
he had this trollface avatar, and always posted one liners in all initial caps, annoying internet abreviations, making every obvious spelling and grammatical mistake and overusing smileys and memes... the odd thing was, he always seemed to say the right things. i felt him like a socrates asking the obvious question nobody thought of or ridiculing all the right things putting everything into perspective. he was fairly well respected by most who had been on the forum long enough so i think i wasn't the only one thinking that. i always thought of him as this genius in disguise or something, sounding so over the top retarded that it could only be on purpose
Also I occasionally say "lawl" sarcastically in real life. Like, in response to really bad puns.
Post by: Angel Of Death on July 31, 2012, 04:58:47 pm
Post by: Svarte Troner on July 31, 2012, 05:36:52 pm
prejudiced? foredeeming?
idk, pre-judgemental sounds awkward
Yeah, it kind of sounded weird to me when I posted it. Pre-judgemental as in being judgemental before getting to actually know the person? I don't know...
Post by: Slayerhero90 on July 31, 2012, 05:59:37 pm
A. Anyways, people who can't back up their arguments or reason for hating something.
B. People who accuse people of flaming/trolling them when they aren't.
III. Fun ruiners.
D. In a similar vein as B, people who accuse others of hacking. They might be, but chances are you suck and/or the other person is good.
5. Everyone having posted what you don't want to see.
6. Search functions never taking you to what you want.
Yes, my numbering was on purpose.
Post by: Tabbyman on August 01, 2012, 02:04:36 am
Post by: Sirus on August 01, 2012, 02:06:20 am
Posting on a thread just to state your disinterest in the topic.THIS. So much annoyance from this one habit that certain people have.
Post by: Furtuka on August 01, 2012, 02:09:06 am
Post by: dizzyelk on August 01, 2012, 02:33:32 am
People who say that what you said is offensive, like that means that your point isn't valid.
Posting on a thread just to state your disinterest in the topic.
This, also. So much.
Post by: miauw62 on August 01, 2012, 03:14:01 am
Anyway, a classic flamewar of the type "you didnt answer my questions!", "well, you didnt either!" "THEN ANSWER MINE!" "NO, YOU ANSWER MINE FIRST!"
Post by: darkrider2 on August 01, 2012, 03:22:24 am
Posting on a thread just to state your disinterest in the topic.
Post by: Corai on August 01, 2012, 03:24:33 am
Post by: Sirus on August 01, 2012, 03:29:37 am
Quoting someone on a thread to state your disinterest on a topic to state your disinterest in posting on a topic about disinterest.You dog, I heard etc.
Oh crap, memes are probably somewhere in this thread :-\
Post by: Starver on August 01, 2012, 09:35:17 am
You know what she yelled?
"Hashtag I'm Not Drunk!!!"
Seriously. What?
This sounds like an updated version of me, back in the '90s and '80s, saying "Bee Tee Double-You". Yes, I did that (despite it being five syllables, compared with "By the way"'s three).
I may have also said "Eff Why Eye", at one point or another, but I think I've been cured of that one by seeing its increased use in 'management speak', perhaps via the kind of people who, since the late '90s and/or early new millennium, brought some of 'geek culture' into... well... 'culture'.
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... 'Should've' is not 'should of', people!Agreed
...also 'their, they're and there'...
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'...' DOES NOT REPLACE A FULL STOP OR COMMA!You are right, but it does have its[1] place. I use it as both a non-comma 'beat' (which could be at the end of a sentence, but "elipsis+full_stop" combo just looks like "....", without actually invoking "…", which is Alt-0133 and less fluid to type) and a "text removed" indicator (although I might also bracket it up, e.g. [...], or use [snip] instead). As such I might also use "..?" as a trailing question ("?"x3 looking both more emphatic and, in forums like this, translating to the ??? smiley-icon).
But I also am guilty for often (in my more Usenet-using days) integrating the close-bracket of a parenthisised aside with the smiley/grinny that I wished to include in there... But here I need to "colon (optional-dash) close-bracket space close bracket", anyway, in order not to lose the visual part of the punctuation involved, or invoke the :)) symbol for the "noseless" version. (The 'nose'-versions don't seem to translate, so I suppose I could break a habit of 20 years or more and also, while correcting my bracket-contraction tendencies, add the noses back in! :-))
[1] In case it's not been said recently please put an apostrophe only in its correct place. Note also how I say "'90s" (substituting for the removed "19"), not "90's" (being used pluralising, although I know there's stylebooks that say you can do this), above. BICBW, YMMV. HTH, HAND.
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I really hate a lot of the atheists who go around the internet saying shit like "Christians are retards!" I just don't get why they feel the need to be so aggressive about all of it. I've nothing against either group of people, but really?That'd be Explicit, Strong or Hard Atheism, then.
I hate it when people forget that "has no belief in a God" (which is not "Agnosticism") is not the same as "has a belief[2] there is no God". But being an (implicit, weak, soft) atheist of "has no belief", plus a strong agnostic (there'd be absolutely no way of knowing for sure, anyway) and an apatheist (given everything, I'm just going to live a reasonably good life and any God worth his pillar-of-salt is going to have to accept this, without me trying to shoe-horn him/her/it into the equation, because the alternate pathway of following Pascal's Wager is too much fatally flawed to even consider).
But whenever I happen to find myself in the midst of an internet argument (please God... erm... <power or symbol of your choice>... I don't wish this thread to become so) between believers, non-believers and dis-believers, very often it's the former camp that (while grouping the latter two together for their disdain) are the more vocal and less tolerant. Occasionally there's a "dis"ser who's also a "disser" of the Christian(/etc) camp, but he'll often be argued against just as much by the middle ground people, and even some of the firmly opinionated Atheist campers who also have an appreciation that knowing is difficult/impossible.
Maybe its just the places I go to that have this particular bias of sensibilities (or, rather, the more sensible believers stay out of the argument the less sensible proselytising believer is clearly losing by their behaviour). I have no doubt that this is not going to be always the case.
[2] There are better words than this, like "conviction", but here left as per the usual misconception for aesthetic reasons only.
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Ppl wh0 spll lk ths drv me in 2 a homcdl rge.Coming from a time before way before SMS flavoured the ordinary typing (and sometimes everyday writing!) of those who think it is cool (or 'bad', or 'wicked' or 'purple' or whatever) to do, I might well have equally complained about the 1337-5p34k w|2!73|2z. I wouldn't ban anything like this, but it should only be used where the tone of the forum (or messageboard, or real-time 'chat' facility) is already aimed that way.
The trouble, of course, is 'creep'. Mostly downwards from a fully-sensible place to the kind of place that such degredations are common-place. Again, I think I'm lucky in that I inhabit the right places.
Post by: frostshotgg on August 01, 2012, 11:14:40 am
I also really hate ragecomics and the websites that harbor them. Part if the fun of memes is the secret club feel, and that gets lost when you massproduce them and fill it with the same shitty jokes over and over again.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 01, 2012, 11:31:25 am
I also hate when someone comes into a thread and disses everyone so they can feel superior.
Post by: Antioch on August 01, 2012, 12:04:08 pm
People who use abbreviations on internet forums, expecting everyone to use the same ones. Come on, its 2 seconds to type a full word but takes 2 minutes to look up for everyone who doesn't get it.
Post by: miauw62 on August 01, 2012, 12:25:51 pm
But for comments you cant really go much further then "good video!" or "bad video!" as you cant change vids AT ALL after they are posted.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 01, 2012, 12:30:46 pm
But for comments you cant really go much further then "good video!" or "bad video!" as you cant change vids AT ALL after they are posted.You could add criticisms, opinions, thoughts, reflections, questions...
As opposed to
415 people are x
Lol jstin bber is x
thumbs up if x
insert video quote here
hey guys i know you get theese a lot beut can you plz look at my channel and thumbs this up i...
OMG I'M VIEWER 312
The list goes on...
Post by: miauw62 on August 01, 2012, 01:21:52 pm
And the JB-related ones seem to have completely died out.
I spend way too much time on YT ;_;
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 01, 2012, 01:32:22 pm
The good top comments actually include critcism on what the video poster is doing wrong.Good top comments are few and far between, and usually only arise after a shitstorm and or flame war. Any music-related video will inevitably be full of JB comments. And regardless of what it is, it's still a better love story than twilight.
And the JB-related ones seem to have completely died out.
Also first.
Post by: MonkeyHead on August 02, 2012, 04:56:16 am
Actually, not hashtags themselves, which can be useful. What I loathe is the constant generation of pointless hashats for trivial, mundane and dull things. #whatihadforbreakfast - nobody reads it as they are interested, its just one more way of letting people think that the noise they make is important. It gets worse once certain types of young people/teenagers get in on it - the recent #1directionsextape hashtag for example.
Thank you to the BBC live olympics feed for inspiring this rant. NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS A HASHTAG!
Post by: Starver on August 02, 2012, 07:05:00 am
;)
(PS: not relevant to the subject at hand, but when the Tour De France was finishing I was at the Mersey Roads 24hr time-trial, waiting for the results of this popular annual race (winner came in at about 488 miles, thankyouverymuch), when Wiggins was having a hard time in his road race, I was at a 25-mile time trial. The day after I was at a 12 hour time-trial (somewhere around 300 miles being the winners distance, but whatever it was the first two were within 0.8 miles of each other, in the provisional result!). I get annoyed by the real-world ignoring the many grass-roots time-trialling events run across the UK, every year (what made Chris Boardman, Graham Obree, Bradley Wiggins et al good at time-trials, in particular, and competative cycling in general)... but that's definitely an off-topic grumble. Hmm, seem to have hijacked and derailed my own post. Sorry.)
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 04, 2012, 03:27:31 pm
I hate it when people write 'then' instead of 'than'SUGGESTION!
e.g. I'm better then you.
I'm better, then you!
Post by: Funk on August 04, 2012, 03:49:42 pm
Post by: Johuotar on August 04, 2012, 03:54:20 pm
Post by: Moghjubar on August 04, 2012, 04:14:50 pm
Post by: kaenneth on August 04, 2013, 06:14:32 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 04, 2013, 06:22:05 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on August 04, 2013, 06:25:48 pm
-Bdthemag
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 04, 2013, 06:38:36 pm
ANYWAYS I HATE THE CALLIBRI FONT
Post by: Vector on August 04, 2013, 06:54:40 pm
Post by: Gamerlord on August 04, 2013, 07:33:42 pm
The "my brain is speshul" people. I'm not talking about the people who are using the internet to explore their thought processes and how they're different from the norm, for their own edification. I'm talking about the people who are using it to broadcast a "I AM AN INDIVIDUAL I AM UNIQUER THAN YOU" doctrine.+ all the ones.
Post by: Aklyon on August 04, 2013, 07:41:05 pm
THIS THREAD DIED EXACTLY ONE YEAR AGO! I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT THE CONTEXT FOR MY POST HERE WAS!HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO THE CAPS FONT AND THE CALIBRI WITH ONE L FONT, THOUGH?
ANYWAYS I HATE THE CALLIBRI FONT
Also super agreed with the Vectorpost.
Post by: Descan on August 04, 2013, 07:41:49 pm
We're all special little snowflakes, so why should there be any special consideration for you in particular? ANSWER THAT, INTERNET.
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 04, 2013, 08:09:10 pm
Obviously in a forum, if I were to try not using punctuation it would look terrible The difference in messaging is that each message is independent and doesn't need to be separated Unless it's a question or something, of course
Post by: Gamerlord on August 04, 2013, 08:10:07 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 04, 2013, 08:11:57 pm
Using a period after sentences in chat really bothers me. It makes every message look so stupidly serious, like the person is making a deliberate point of being more correct. This applies more when in a game than instant messaging. Capitalizing 'Lol' or other acronyms is in the same vein, and is even more ridiculous.I do find it strange how even light hearted things take on a massive gravitas when proper grammar is applied. I don't even think it's just the general consensus that everything is to be assumed an attack until proven otherwise, I think it's more to do with people being prejudiced to the poor full stop.
Post by: Vector on August 04, 2013, 08:15:39 pm
Post by: Sirus on August 04, 2013, 08:16:14 pm
This, basically. I even use punctuation in text messages.Using a period after sentences in chat really bothers me. It makes every message look so stupidly serious, like the person is making a deliberate point of being more correct. This applies more when in a game than instant messaging. Capitalizing 'Lol' or other acronyms is in the same vein, and is even more ridiculous.I use punctuation for two reasons:
Obviously in a forum, if I were to try not using punctuation it would look terrible The difference in messaging is that each message is independent and doesn't need to be separated Unless it's a question or something, of course
1) It's a good habit to have.
2) It's a habit.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 04, 2013, 08:20:35 pm
I use it because having it as the default makes my mode of expression more flexible
Is this some of that new fangled irony?
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 04, 2013, 08:28:29 pm
Using a period after sentences in chat really bothers me. It makes every message look so stupidly serious, like the person is making a deliberate point of being more correct. This applies more when in a game than instant messaging. Capitalizing 'Lol' or other acronyms is in the same vein, and is even more ridiculous.I do find it strange how even light hearted things take on a massive gravitas when proper grammar is applied. I don't even think it's just the general consensus that everything is to be assumed an attack until proven otherwise, I think it's more to do with people being prejudiced to the poor full stop.
Yeah, it's the added gravity that irks me most. In the middle of a game where people are generally rushing to get out either useful communication or casual banter, taking the time to hit that dumb key just seems passive aggressive. Capitalization at least makes reading easier, but since it's the norm not to use a period, it actually makes you spend more time staring at the sentence.
And the idea that everything is assumed as an attack brings me to something else... using the word 'you'. In my sentence above, I said 'it actually makes you spend more time staring at the sentence', but I'm always kind of scared to type something like that, since it always seems to make people take it SO personally. A word that's meant in that context to mean anybody becomes a direct assault on one's manhood and sexual orientation if put in even somewhat critical context.
Post by: Zangi on August 04, 2013, 08:33:13 pm
I agree, typing everything out correctly doesn't really take that much time(practice makes perfect). Of course, it ain't proper to do so in game when it can get someone or yourself killed, but many games do have 'breather' times.This, basically. I even use punctuation in text messages.Using a period after sentences in chat really bothers me. It makes every message look so stupidly serious, like the person is making a deliberate point of being more correct. This applies more when in a game than instant messaging. Capitalizing 'Lol' or other acronyms is in the same vein, and is even more ridiculous.I use punctuation for two reasons:
Obviously in a forum, if I were to try not using punctuation it would look terrible The difference in messaging is that each message is independent and doesn't need to be separated Unless it's a question or something, of course
1) It's a good habit to have.
2) It's a habit.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 04, 2013, 08:35:24 pm
Post by: Luke_Prowler on August 04, 2013, 08:40:10 pm
I hate, HATE, it when an argument is dismissed out of hand on the basis of "You're just complaining". I realize there are plenty of stupid arguments out there, but here's the thing: One of the greatest attribute of the internet is that it gives this place where ideas and discussion can mingle and breed, and while they may not all be gems that it allows people to make their own decisions. So then what happens is that when someone creates a topic and what's the first response they get? "Stop whining". Why do they need to answer with this? Because "we've heard this before". They seem willing to toss the whole thing out the window not because ot the merits of the argument, but because they simply don't want any argument? or maybe you just don't want to argue about 'this' topic.
Well, welcome to humanity. Conformity was never our strong suit. Like a said, I know there's plenty of dumb arguments out there, but that means it's your duty to shift through the crap and give the stuff that's worth while it's dues, not wash all arguments under "whining".
Post by: Zangi on August 04, 2013, 09:02:10 pm
Well, welcome to humanity. Conformity was never our strong suit. Like a said, I know there's plenty of dumb arguments out there, but that means it's your duty to shift through the crap and give the stuff that's worth while it's dues, not wash all arguments under "whining".Actually, you are both wrong and right about conformity not being humanity's strong suit. Many people throughout history do actively try to conform with the community they are in. The sense of being a 'normal' person within the group/community is a strong social pressure that many people get caught up in.
Of course, this conformity does get eroded, as you throw in other groups/communities to the collective/network, but it will still end up establishing a baseline of 'normal' over time as these groups/communities(cultures) are acclimated to each other, it will however have more 'variables' that do not conform to the baseline.
Then the process repeats itself as more people/groups/communities are gathered into the collective/network.
Now in modern times, individuals are not as reliant on their immediate group/community, what with the advent of instant communication, fast shipping, fast travel and how easy it is to find other groups/communities that agree with them.
Humans can easily contradict itself, interesting critters ain't they?
Post by: Luke_Prowler on August 04, 2013, 09:44:37 pm
Well, welcome to humanity. Conformity was never our strong suit. Like a said, I know there's plenty of dumb arguments out there, but that means it's your duty to shift through the crap and give the stuff that's worth while it's dues, not wash all arguments under "whining".Actually, you are both wrong and right about conformity not being humanity's strong suit. Many people throughout history do actively try to conform with the community they are in. The sense of being a 'normal' person within the group/community is a strong social pressure that many people get caught up in.
Of course, this conformity does get eroded, as you throw in other groups/communities to the collective/network, but it will still end up establishing a baseline of 'normal' over time as these groups/communities(cultures) are acclimated to each other, it will however have more 'variables' that do not conform to the baseline.
Then the process repeats itself as more people/groups/communities are gathered into the collective/network.
Now in modern times, individuals are not as reliant on their immediate group/community, what with the advent of instant communication, fast shipping, fast travel and how easy it is to find other groups/communities that agree with them.
Humans can easily contradict itself, interesting critters ain't they?
Oh, I completely agree with you on that. I've always been an advocate that there is no easy quote that sums up people.
Post by: Sensei on August 04, 2013, 10:27:24 pm
Quote
There is no easy quote that sums up people.An easy quote that sums up people? YOU DECIDE.
Post by: Neonivek on August 05, 2013, 04:55:52 am
The "CHECK OUT THIS LINK THAT I WON'T TELL YOU WHAT IT IS!!!"
No internet... I am not clicking that link unless I know what it is for.
Post by: scrdest on August 05, 2013, 06:37:44 am
Well, welcome to humanity. Conformity was never our strong suit. Like a said, I know there's plenty of dumb arguments out there, but that means it's your duty to shift through the crap and give the stuff that's worth while it's dues, not wash all arguments under "whining".Actually, you are both wrong and right about conformity not being humanity's strong suit. Many people throughout history do actively try to conform with the community they are in. The sense of being a 'normal' person within the group/community is a strong social pressure that many people get caught up in.
Of course, this conformity does get eroded, as you throw in other groups/communities to the collective/network, but it will still end up establishing a baseline of 'normal' over time as these groups/communities(cultures) are acclimated to each other, it will however have more 'variables' that do not conform to the baseline.
Then the process repeats itself as more people/groups/communities are gathered into the collective/network.
Now in modern times, individuals are not as reliant on their immediate group/community, what with the advent of instant communication, fast shipping, fast travel and how easy it is to find other groups/communities that agree with them.
Humans can easily contradict itself, interesting critters ain't they?
Misters Asch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments#Interpretations)and Milgram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment) would like to add a thing or two.
Post by: werty892 on August 05, 2013, 03:08:32 pm
Example:
.LISP.MSI.LNK.ZDA.GNN.WRBT.OBJ.O.H.SWF.DPKG.APP.ZIP.TAR.TAR.CO.GZ.A.OUT.EXE]HTTPS://65.222.202.53/~TILDE/PUB/CIA-BIN/ETC/INIT.DLL
FILE=__AUTOEXEC.BAT.MY%20OSX%20DOCUMENTS-INSTALL.EXE.RAR.INI.TAR.DOÇX.PHPHPHP.XHTML.TML.XTL.TXXT.0DAY.HACK.ERS_(1995)_BLURAY_CAM-XVID.EXE.TAR.[SCR].LISP.MSI.LNK.ZDA.GNN.WRBT.OBJ.O.H.SWF.DPKG.APP.ZIP.TAR.TAR.CO.GZ.A.OUT.EXE (http://HTTPS://65.222.202.53/~TILDE/PUB/CIA-BIN/ETC/INIT.DLL
FILE=__AUTOEXEC.BAT.MY%20OSX%20DOCUMENTS-INSTALL.EXE.RAR.INI.TAR.DOÇX.PHPHPHP.XHTML.TML.XTL.TXXT.0DAY.HACK.ERS_(1995)_BLURAY_CAM-XVID.EXE.TAR.[SCR)
Post by: Aklyon on August 05, 2013, 03:18:25 pm
Post by: quinnr on August 05, 2013, 03:29:42 pm
Extremly long suspicious links.I'm guess...I'm going to pass on my XKCD annoyances. (Mainly, there was one time where I said something slightly geeky, and someone else was all "Hey, nice XKCD reference!" without me even knowing there was a strip about it. XKCD does not hold the crown of geekdom!)
Example:
.LISP.MSI.LNK.ZDA.GNN.WRBT.OBJ.O.H.SWF.DPKG.APP.ZIP.TAR.TAR.CO.GZ.A.OUT.EXE]HTTPS://65.222.202.53/~TILDE/PUB/CIA-BIN/ETC/INIT.DLL
FILE=__AUTOEXEC.BAT.MY%20OSX%20DOCUMENTS-INSTALL.EXE.RAR.INI.TAR.DOÇX.PHPHPHP.XHTML.TML.XTL.TXXT.0DAY.HACK.ERS_(1995)_BLURAY_CAM-XVID.EXE.TAR.[SCR].LISP.MSI.LNK.ZDA.GNN.WRBT.OBJ.O.H.SWF.DPKG.APP.ZIP.TAR.TAR.CO.GZ.A.OUT.EXE (http://HTTPS://65.222.202.53/~TILDE/PUB/CIA-BIN/ETC/INIT.DLL
FILE=__AUTOEXEC.BAT.MY%20OSX%20DOCUMENTS-INSTALL.EXE.RAR.INI.TAR.DOÇX.PHPHPHP.XHTML.TML.XTL.TXXT.0DAY.HACK.ERS_(1995)_BLURAY_CAM-XVID.EXE.TAR.[SCR)
Also, on the subject of punctuation. Does anyone else actually take longer to type when they use acronyms and skip punctuation? The time it takes my brain to process the conversion into English (Internet) just takes too long, and it's not a habit I'm really too eager to learn. (I probably would have developed it, but when I was pretty young, my mother told me that if I ever started using incorrect grammar on the computer, she would never let me use it again. Threat worked.)
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 05, 2013, 07:37:05 pm
Also, I'm not sure if this counts as a habit but "90's kids". Yes, I remember Spongebob, it hasn't ceased production since its debut. Do you remember Captain Planet or Vanilla Ice? I thought so.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 19, 2013, 03:26:40 pm
Post by: Darvi on September 19, 2013, 03:30:59 pm
Post by: freeformschooler on September 19, 2013, 03:34:59 pm
People who lump all people in a given group together with the subset of those people who are actually annoying.
Oh snap
Post by: Ogdibus on September 19, 2013, 04:32:58 pm
Here's a guide that will help people recognize derailing tactics, and control if and when they use them. I'm finding it best not to participate in conversations where these are present. (http://www.derailingfordummies.com/)
Logical fallacies are a little different because there are so many, it's hard to keep track of them. Some of them are more forgivable than others, too. "False Premise, True Conclusion" is occasionally going to happen to even the most informed and intelligent people, because technology tends to improve the capability of science to find "facts", thus correcting the "old facts".
...also, unrelated: I take too long to post, and get ninja'ed a lot, because of it.
Edit: forgot the link
Post by: Neonivek on September 19, 2013, 10:50:59 pm
Post by: Xantalos on September 20, 2013, 12:32:19 am
Post by: kaenneth on September 20, 2014, 10:54:40 pm
Post by: Putnam on September 20, 2014, 11:10:38 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 20, 2014, 11:11:53 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 20, 2014, 11:13:14 pm
Quoting someone... As your post...
Post by: Putnam on September 20, 2014, 11:25:23 pm
Double posting and changing what people say in quotes.
Post by: McDonald on September 21, 2014, 04:52:55 am
Quote from: Youtube comment
Quote from: Youtube commentI don't like this video.y u watch it then
Or:
Quote from: Youtube comment
Quote from: Youtube commentThis song is rather bad.let's see u do better
Post by: Morrigi on September 21, 2014, 05:06:32 am
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Post by: Guardian G.I. on September 21, 2014, 05:40:19 am
Paid shills, shilling. Also organized shitposting, for free.Also, labelling people who disagree with your view "shills", as well as paranoid search for paid shills where there are clearly none.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If Internet had existed in America during the times of McCarthy, many political discussions would look not unlike today's Reddit and its international news section.
Post by: Tawa on September 21, 2014, 12:02:35 pm
TILDES ARE NOT EXCLAMATION POINTS, GUYS.
Post by: Darvi on September 21, 2014, 12:07:11 pm
Post by: Tawa on September 21, 2014, 12:11:49 pm
The nail must be rammed through the first time.
If nails are not available, substitute by writing a reply with a single, common letter shifted over a key.
Post by: Lyeos on September 21, 2014, 12:18:26 pm
And yes.
Stop with the flippin' tildes.
It makes me want to scratch my eyeballs out.
Post by: Ai Shizuka on September 21, 2014, 12:21:54 pm
Somehow it seems more common in english native speakers. Not sure why, but I hate it in any case.
Someone posts 12 huge images and idiots keep quoting the entire wall of images, adding something like "lol" or "nice" at the end.
Incomplete thread titles used as baits. Like "The most common misconceptions about..." or "Need help with this serious issue".
Guess what? I'm going to skip your thread entirely, even if there's the cure for cancer and ebola inside.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on September 21, 2014, 02:05:01 pm
No.
The nail must be rammed through the first time.
If nails are not available, substitute by writing a reply with a single, common letter shifted over a key.
The tildes has uses of which I happen to love and yet have yet to have employed.
It is particularly effective in altering the perceived tone of one's words, as demonstrated in the following example:
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"You're a fuckwit and I'd like to have nothing to do with you, darling."
"You're a fuckwit and I'd like to have nothing to do with you, darling~"
The first instance maintains a tone of someone trying to keep up a formal tone with the "darling" while simultaneous putting their issue with the recipient of the insult bluntly.
The second's tone is significantly happier and additionally arrogant in the way that they don't even put on a tone of distaste with their insult, likely considering it barely worth their time to even bother insulting the recipient. It's also a hell of a lot creepier.
Let's examine a non-insulting example. A question, this time.
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"Did you fix it yet?"
"Did you fix it yet?~"
The first one is very neutral in tone. Nothing odd about it.
The second one is, again, happier sounding, in a somewhat demeaning way, and this time, the way the tilde modulates the accenting of the sentence put more emphasis on the thing being fixed, making the person fixing it appear far less important. Again, significantly creepier, and in this case, uncomfortably personal in tone.
An imperative sentence, now.
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"Do it, already."
"Do it, already~"
The first is blatantly impatient.
The second has a vastly different tone, one of the person giving the command egging the recipient on when the recipient obviously doesn't want to do it. Alternatively, it sounds like the commander has nothing to lose from the recipient carrying out the action while the recipient does. Not so much creepy as it is smug.
Before we move on to the final example, you said that tildes are not exclamation points, and I agree wholeheartedly with that. Tildes are meant to replace periods. Therefore, one can have an exclamation point followed by a tilde. This has been the case for a while now.
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"I love it!"
"I love it!~"
The tilde does something abnormal to the other tilde-sentences here. Here, it makes more sincere and genuine the sentence, as well as making it more personal, adding an underlayer of the recipient being greatly thanked for their involvement in the scenario.
I'd like to finish by saying that true linguists embrace the changes to languages made over time, as language is an evolving creature, as majestic as it need be to fit the time.
That is all, darlings~
Post by: SalmonGod on September 21, 2014, 02:10:51 pm
Post by: Arx on September 21, 2014, 02:12:48 pm
Much use of tildes irritates me a bit too, but only because they don't register as punctuation unless I concentrate, and if I want to concentrate on what I'm reading I'll go read Paradise Lost instead of Bay12.
Post by: Tawa on September 21, 2014, 02:20:52 pm
-slayerhero tries to convince me that using tildes as end punctuation is ok-[note: I's replaced with O's to prove a point]
O stoll thunk that toldes are annoyong.
O mean, really, we have regular punctuatoon for a reason. Ot's loke what O'm doong here, swappong out one thong for another for no real reason. Ot's not endearong, ot's not cute, ot changes the meanong of the sentence on a way that you could accomplosh through already set manners. Ot's an awful lot ugloer, too.
Post by: nenjin on September 21, 2014, 02:25:19 pm
Post by: Morrigi on September 21, 2014, 02:32:31 pm
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Post by: Slayerhero90 on September 21, 2014, 02:37:37 pm
Vhe vone docvated by vhos usage of Os onsvead of ((I))s, darlong, accomploshes an acvually fanvasvoc represenvavoon of a nonexosvanv phonevoc accenv, so even vhos os useful, but O have an odea. Lev's jousv, son, and say... replace all ((T))s wovh Vs, whole keepong the Os. Deal, darlong?~-slayerhero tries to convince me that using tildes as end punctuation is ok-[note: I's replaced with O's to prove a point]
O stoll thunk that toldes are annoyong.
O mean, really, we have regular punctuatoon for a reason. Ot's loke what O'm doong here, swappong out one thong for another for no real reason. Ot's not endearong, ot's not cute, ot changes the meanong of the sentence on a way that you could accomplosh through already set manners. Ot's an awful lot ugloer, too.
Whav shall be your modulavoon?~
Post by: Tawa on September 21, 2014, 02:41:09 pm
Some people seem to think it's kawaii. All it really tells me is how much they like kawaii. After more than 1 sentence worth of it, I start to find it annoying.
~~~~~~~~~Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Am I the only one who thinks it's easier to parse like this~?
Much use of tildes irritates me a bit too, but only because they don't register as punctuation unless I concentrate, and if I want to concentrate on what I'm reading I'll go read Paradise Lost instead of Bay12.
Incessantly posting about your fandom where it doesn't belong is probably in here somewhere, but oh well.
And yes.
Stop with the flippin' tildes.
It makes me want to scratch my eyeballs out.
It's too late. You're outnumbered.Vhe vone docvated by vhos usage of Os onsvead of ((I))s, darlong, accomploshes an acvually fanvasvoc represenvavoon of a nonexosvanv phonevoc accenv, so even vhos os useful, but O have an odea. Lev's jousv, son, and say... replace all ((T))s wovh Vs, whole keepong the Os. Deal, darlong?~-slayerhero tries to convince me that using tildes as end punctuation is ok-[note: I's replaced with O's to prove a point]
O stoll thunk that toldes are annoyong.
O mean, really, we have regular punctuatoon for a reason. Ot's loke what O'm doong here, swappong out one thong for another for no real reason. Ot's not endearong, ot's not cute, ot changes the meanong of the sentence on a way that you could accomplosh through already set manners. Ot's an awful lot ugloer, too.
Whav shall be your modulavoon?~
Post by: Slayerhero90 on September 21, 2014, 02:52:08 pm
(Apologies for referring to y'all as "they"s; I don't know y'all's genders.)
Arx qualifies his statement with the word much to imply that occasional use is fine by them, as well as the implication that if it they were to get used to it, they'd be fine.
Nenjin tolerates it in small amounts as well, but is a bit closer to your beliefs about it than Arx.
So please do not consider the moderate your ally or your enemy.
I may still be outnumbered, darling, but not by as much as you seem to believe~
Post by: Tawa on September 21, 2014, 02:53:16 pm
Bye!
Post by: Slayerhero90 on September 21, 2014, 02:55:41 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 21, 2014, 03:08:07 pm
Also, labelling people who disagree with your view "shills", as well as paranoid search for paid shills where there are clearly none.Guardian G.I confirmed for JIDF shill.
If Internet had existed in America during the times of McCarthy, many political discussions would look not unlike today's Reddit and its international news section.
I view tildes as only acceptable if the use is for the purposes of making a statement more obviously ironic. Like the first example. Creating contrast with the stupidity of using tildes as punctuation and the insulting thing you have to say.
Post by: McDonald on September 21, 2014, 03:08:59 pm
Post by: Furtuka on September 21, 2014, 03:23:19 pm
There's a few cases where its annoyed me, but it had nothing to do with grammar and was about the attitude of the specific person who used them. Otherwise I really can't care about it and see its usage.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on September 21, 2014, 03:28:36 pm
Tildes make me read the sentence in the voice of a kid with a Japanese accent.I don't know why, but I really associate tildes with the French.
Post by: Neonivek on September 21, 2014, 03:33:32 pm
Whenever I read them I think the person is saying them in a very sing songy manner with over exaggerated pronunciation.
So "Hello~"
Could be spelt like "HeeeeelloooOoooo"
Post by: McDonald on September 21, 2014, 03:33:55 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 21, 2014, 03:35:40 pm
Tildes make me read the whole sentence in a sexual voice.
... Essentially
Post by: Flying Dice on September 21, 2014, 03:43:48 pm
This pleasant discussion and pleasant conclusion leads me to a question. Are there any of you who agree with me, or is the aspiring linguist alone?They can be useful in certain contexts when writing dialogue in an informal situation, given that they indicate a specific tonal quality that isn't really describable unless you stuff your prose with unnecessary words. It can serve the same role in conversation, but tends to be mis-/over-used.
Post by: kaenneth on September 21, 2014, 03:47:35 pm
Tildes make me read the whole sentence in a sexual voice.
Sterotypically gay for me...
What do horses eat?
Hay.
What do gay horses eat?
Hay~
Post by: Slayerhero90 on September 21, 2014, 03:48:29 pm
You capture the use of tildes perfectly.This pleasant discussion and pleasant conclusion leads me to a question. Are there any of you who agree with me, or is the aspiring linguist alone?They can be useful in certain contexts when writing dialogue in an informal situation, given that they indicate a specific tonal quality that isn't really describable unless you stuff your prose with unnecessary words. It can serve the same role in conversation, but tends to be mis-/over-used.
Post by: Descan on September 21, 2014, 04:06:28 pm
i just use it to add a lilting tone v_v
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 21, 2014, 04:21:59 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 21, 2014, 04:26:33 pm
Everything's a euphemism when you're thinking with tildes.. Thinking... With... Tildes~Ooh~OK, I read that one as a woman getting sexually excited.
Post by: flame99 on September 21, 2014, 05:26:46 pm
Of course, if I did despise tildes, I'd be a hypocrite, since I do occasionally use them myself~. The effect it usually has on me when reading it is a slightly more uplifted and sing-song-y tone, particularly on the last word. And yes, this does make most things Kevak write sound like a kindergarten class.
Anyways, moving on, one thing that really, really kills me is anything having to do with the phrase tl;dr. If you didn't read it, move on and stop being a jackass. If you did read it, good for you, feel free to comment, or just move on, and if it applies, go ahead and stop being a jackass too because we've got too many as it is.
Also, lolspeak. I. Hate. Lolspeak. It makes me want to strangle you with your own intestines. I dislike l33tsp34k too, but not to the same degree. I did feel like shooting myself when I made a character in a forum game who used it constantly, though.
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 21, 2014, 05:41:16 pm
Post by: Darvi on September 21, 2014, 06:15:08 pm
I don't really mind tildes. Used sparingly, and only when appropriate, it can give a lot of "voice" to a piece of text. However, overuse just kills it.Yes. Hell yes! Hell, fucking, yes!
Of course, if I did despise tildes, I'd be a hypocrite, since I do occasionally use them myself~. The effect it usually has on me when reading it is a slightly more uplifted and sing-song-y tone, particularly on the last word. And yes, this does make most things Kevak write sound like a kindergarten class.
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Anyways, moving on, one thing that really, really kills me is anything having to do with the phrase tl;dr. If you didn't read it, move on and stop being a jackass. If you did read it, good for you, feel free to comment, or just move on, and if it applies, go ahead and stop being a jackass too because we've got too many as it is.I use TL;DR as an equivalent to "short version:". Completely wrong, but if I'm going to paraphrase, I find it only appropriate to lead into it with an abbreviation.
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Also, lolspeak. I. Hate. Lolspeak. It makes me want to strangle you with your own intestines.I heard a kid say "lol" in real life a while ago what is wrong with this species.
Post by: Graknorke on September 21, 2014, 06:17:28 pm
It's okay if you're using it... ironically.QuoteAlso, lolspeak. I. Hate. Lolspeak. It makes me want to strangle you with your own intestines.I heard a kid say "lol" in real life a while ago what is wrong with this species.
Post by: flame99 on September 21, 2014, 06:26:28 pm
I don't mind that. What I meant was, say, responding tl;dr to a long post. Slightly justified if it's a wall of text, but only slightly.QuoteAnyways, moving on, one thing that really, really kills me is anything having to do with the phrase tl;dr. If you didn't read it, move on and stop being a jackass. If you did read it, good for you, feel free to comment, or just move on, and if it applies, go ahead and stop being a jackass too because we've got too many as it is.I use TL;DR as an equivalent to "short version:". Completely wrong, but if I'm going to paraphrase, I find it only appropriate to lead into it with an abbreviation.
Post by: Descan on September 21, 2014, 06:28:35 pm
Because I can't read it, I dislike leetspeak, but that's just because it's literally defeating the purpose of communication, by making it harder to understand.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 21, 2014, 06:29:48 pm
I don't really care about lolspeak, as long as I can read it, it's fine. I'll think yer a little dumb if you use it in improper contexts, sure. But *shrug* whatever~This.
Because I can't read it, I dislike leetspeak, but that's just because it's literally defeating the purpose of communication, by making it harder to understand.
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 21, 2014, 06:48:46 pm
I don't really care about lolspeak, as long as I can read it, it's fine. I'll think yer a little dumb if you use it in improper contexts, sure. But *shrug* whatever~|\| 5 /-\ ( /-\ |\| ' ']' |2 3 /-\ [) /\/\ '/ |337
Because I can't read it, I dislike leetspeak, but that's just because it's literally defeating the purpose of communication, by making it harder to understand.
Post by: Baffler on September 21, 2014, 06:51:39 pm
|\| 5 /-\ ( /-\ |\| ' ']' |2 3 /-\ [) /\/\ '/ |337
Neither can I, for that matter.
Post by: Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum on September 21, 2014, 06:53:06 pm
Edit:
NSA can't read my leet?|\| 5 /-\ ( /-\ |\| ' ']' |2 3 /-\ [) /\/\ '/ |337
Neither can I, for that matter.
That took way too long to translate. Why would you use that?
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 21, 2014, 06:54:21 pm
Like a deaf man hearing music through an implant that bears no tone, brain memory allows you to ascribe meaning to certain 1337 dialects with ease.|\| 5 /-\ ( /-\ |\| ' ']' |2 3 /-\ [) /\/\ '/ |337Neither can I, for that matter.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on September 21, 2014, 06:55:37 pm
|) ^ |2 1 ! ^v 6 , 7 |2 -1 7| ^ |2 |) FL |2 !!I don't really care about lolspeak, as long as I can read it, it's fine. I'll think yer a little dumb if you use it in improper contexts, sure. But *shrug* whatever~|\| 5 /-\ ( /-\ |\| ' ']' |2 3 /-\ [) /\/\ '/ |337
Because I can't read it, I dislike leetspeak, but that's just because it's literally defeating the purpose of communication, by making it harder to understand.
Post by: Graknorke on September 21, 2014, 06:55:48 pm
When people ask what something is online, like the definition of a word. You are on the internet, use it!Well sometimes you want a more specific description of something than a dictionary will give. Or you're asking someone specifically for the insight they can give to the matter.
Post by: hops on September 21, 2014, 10:38:22 pm
Tildes make me read the sentence in the voice of a kid with a Japanese accent.But I'm a kid with an asian accent~
Post by: McDonald on September 22, 2014, 04:58:37 am
Darling, try harder. Took me 10 minutes to translate. Now try this: (It's Polish to make it harder)|) ^ |2 1 ! ^v 6 , 7 |2 -1 7| ^ |2 |) FL |2 !!I don't really care about lolspeak, as long as I can read it, it's fine. I'll think yer a little dumb if you use it in improper contexts, sure. But *shrug* whatever~|\| 5 /-\ ( /-\ |\| ' ']' |2 3 /-\ [) /\/\ '/ |337
Because I can't read it, I dislike leetspeak, but that's just because it's literally defeating the purpose of communication, by making it harder to understand.
– bO()Ss!ACzQQQ ! ! ! =***
– <IO kOFFAniE ??
– WieESh cio Ma/\/\ ZepsIIu^|^e gG ;( a CIO TAm DaFfnO siEm Nie FiCielIsSmY :{
– |_||_| SKalbIee <pOCiESza> NIo fFiEM FfŁAa$niE =)
– K/-\SIa A Ty mASh jush KoMoLK333 ?? xd =)
– niO niOrMAlni3 L3GalnI3E ZaDzwONi3 Do CI3BI3 PoOsnEY okI3j ;)=**
– DoBlaA msI3Q dOBlaA xdd.
– |)OBLA kOUFFAnIe tOOo PAaApaAa =***
– paa skAlbi333E3E3eE pAAaPAaAa bUsSSsSka xD =*
- [<'}3{<!(= \,/3/\/7_o| |<|_||0"}3|\/|
- Dż0N1K ffI3m sH3 $ff33t@$hN3 b0 $0b!3 $@m@ d0d@walAm z Tff0j3go KoNt@ k0mm3nC!k ! < 33333
- |_| FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF_|F_|_/-\|V| ((((((((((((((||||F_
Post by: hops on September 22, 2014, 05:11:31 am
Post by: McDonald on September 22, 2014, 05:15:02 am
Post by: hops on September 22, 2014, 05:26:26 am
Post by: Darvi on September 22, 2014, 05:51:39 am
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 22, 2014, 10:35:00 am
Bitches don't know 'bout my secret codes.
Post by: gigaraptor487 on September 22, 2014, 12:26:04 pm
If you crack my code I will send you a cookie in the mail.
Post by: McDonald on September 22, 2014, 12:40:31 pm
Wa-wa-wa-wait, it was |m=|~ before?
Post by: Darvi on September 22, 2014, 12:42:48 pm
D3xtPXwHzYI=Is that part of a YT link written backwards?
If you crack my code I will send you a cookie in the mail.
Post by: gigaraptor487 on September 22, 2014, 12:44:09 pm
Post by: McDonald on September 22, 2014, 12:44:30 pm
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 22, 2014, 01:09:46 pm
Being Polish meself, I'm ashamed to admit I can only read bits of it. I cannot read l337speak though, so yeah.Darling, try harder. Took me 10 minutes to translate. Now try this: (It's Polish to make it harder)|) ^ |2 1 ! ^v 6 , 7 |2 -1 7| ^ |2 |) FL |2 !!I don't really care about lolspeak, as long as I can read it, it's fine. I'll think yer a little dumb if you use it in improper contexts, sure. But *shrug* whatever~|\| 5 /-\ ( /-\ |\| ' ']' |2 3 /-\ [) /\/\ '/ |337
Because I can't read it, I dislike leetspeak, but that's just because it's literally defeating the purpose of communication, by making it harder to understand.
– bO()Ss!ACzQQQ ! ! ! =***
– <IO kOFFAniE ??
– WieESh cio Ma/\/\ ZepsIIu^|^e gG ;( a CIO TAm DaFfnO siEm Nie FiCielIsSmY :{
– |_||_| SKalbIee <pOCiESza> NIo fFiEM FfŁAa$niE =)
– K/-\SIa A Ty mASh jush KoMoLK333 ?? xd =)
– niO niOrMAlni3 L3GalnI3E ZaDzwONi3 Do CI3BI3 PoOsnEY okI3j ;)=**
– DoBlaA msI3Q dOBlaA xdd.
– |)OBLA kOUFFAnIe tOOo PAaApaAa =***
– paa skAlbi333E3E3eE pAAaPAaAa bUsSSsSka xD =*
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Post by: McDonald on September 22, 2014, 01:15:27 pm
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 22, 2014, 01:18:39 pm
Wait, Pokemon is a language?
Post by: kaenneth on September 22, 2014, 01:26:41 pm
Has Linguistics gone too far?
Linguists hate this one weird trick!
dQw4w9WgXcQ
Post by: McDonald on September 22, 2014, 01:29:28 pm
Is it? Is it really?http://nonsensopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pokemoniaste_pismo (http://nonsensopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pokemoniaste_pismo)
Wait, Pokemon is a language?
^This is even more complicated code, don't even attempt to crack it.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 22, 2014, 01:39:54 pm
Post by: McDonald on September 22, 2014, 01:43:37 pm
dQw4w9WgXcQ
This translates into "Rick Astley". (No, you failed, I know this link by heart.)
Post by: flame99 on September 22, 2014, 02:08:29 pm
Sar ahirra papertil, ahirra mondi.
Good luck.
Post by: McDonald on September 22, 2014, 02:19:35 pm
Wyrewolwerowany rewolwerowiec wyrewolwerował wyrewolwerowanego rewolwerowca.
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 22, 2014, 05:46:38 pm
I'm not trying to provoke at first; somebody just unloads over a random thing I said and I'm like "Hmm, how far can I take this?"
Post by: Slayerhero90 on September 22, 2014, 06:03:57 pm
Oh, we're doing codes now? Well how about a CONLANG BITCHES!COOOOONLAAAANG???
Sar ahirra papertil, ahirra mondi.
Good luck.
AHAHAH. OKAY!
These all mean the same thing.
Kessttvoshorihk: Tiir Ennryittzuror ke skor Innzabbiss vaennhdz tiir Doryittzuror torkhvir, aabir traann Doryittzuror vaennhdz traann Do'innzabb arvlauhdvir.
Fanisk: Id enrichur, cha insamis fean id dorichur, lech, nur dir dorichur fean dir do lachir.
Cemirialait: Ou mej^ille ha teu junots* et ou mej^ille. Let mej^ille teu et let junot ounne teziranne.
Smokewhisper: Hsks. Hsr hsks. Hsr hssh. Rcshs hssh. Hsr hssh ksr rcshs hssh chchrch.
Post by: hops on September 26, 2014, 05:31:53 am
Post by: flame99 on September 26, 2014, 06:54:13 am
Oh, we're doing codes now? Well how about a CONLANG BITCHES!Might as well translate this.
Sar ahirra papertil, ahirra mondi.
Good luck.
Literal translation is "If you read, you great", but the proper translation would be "If you can read this, you're awesome".
Goddammit a solifugae WON'T kill you or eat your face!Still never getting anywhere near one because HOLY SHIT THAT SPIDER IS HUGE
Post by: flame99 on September 26, 2014, 07:11:07 am
It's not a spider, either.This does not make them any less terrifying.
Post by: Parsely on September 27, 2014, 02:36:12 am
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Internet habits which annoy you.
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Internet Habits Which Annoy You
There's no real reason why they should be grammatically treated as "titles" but it just looks really gross and untidy to me personally when I scroll through the boards and see punctuation scattered everywhere.
But at least it's not full on depraved:
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internet habits which annoy you
And this only bothers me specifically in thread titles, not anywhere else.
Post by: DemonOfWrath on September 27, 2014, 02:56:17 am
That or there's some worldwide epidemic of trousers slipping off that I'm unaware of that is always at the forefront of many, many minds.
Post by: PTTG?? on September 29, 2014, 12:08:35 pm
Post by: Biowraith on September 29, 2014, 03:08:03 pm
Post by: scrdest on September 29, 2014, 03:18:47 pm
I'll throw this onto the untranslatable sentences pile:
Wyrewolwerowany rewolwerowiec wyrewolwerował wyrewolwerowanego rewolwerowca.
Challenge accepted:
Pistolified pistolero pistolerized a pistolfied pistolero.
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 29, 2014, 05:19:11 pm
Post by: Itnetlolor on September 29, 2014, 06:21:37 pm
People who put half of a sentence in the title of a thread, then finish the sentence in the OP. That was a frequent occurrence in a forum I used to frequent and I absolutely hated it. Usually it was for the sake of a joke thread, or a problem that could have been solved in a general thread.How many of those were also Rickrolls (or equally annoying memes)?
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2014, 06:30:33 pm
Post by: Dutchling on September 29, 2014, 06:42:49 pm
The intense satisfaction I take from opening my email, seeing hundreds of notifications about angry responses to my comments on youtube, and clicking that 'delete all' button. :3fuk u u fuk
Post by: Sirus on September 30, 2014, 12:16:59 am
The intense satisfaction I take from opening my email, seeing hundreds of notifications about angry responses to my comments on youtube, and clicking that 'delete all' button. :3But what if some of them are reasonable valid respons--
Okay, I can't even finish that sentence.
Post by: Antsan on September 30, 2014, 06:28:53 am
Arguments made entirely, or almost entirely from logical fallacies and derailing tactics. In fact, it's so rare that I see an argument where one or both sides aren't doing this, that you could say arguments annoy me. Sometimes they're downright scary.The text behind that link makes me extremely uncomfortable. Reading that already feels like arguing over the Internet.
Here's a guide that will help people recognize derailing tactics, and control if and when they use them. I'm finding it best not to participate in conversations where these are present. (http://www.derailingfordummies.com/)
Logical fallacies are a little different because there are so many, it's hard to keep track of them. Some of them are more forgivable than others, too. "False Premise, True Conclusion" is occasionally going to happen to even the most informed and intelligent people, because technology tends to improve the capability of science to find "facts", thus correcting the "old facts".
...also, unrelated: I take too long to post, and get ninja'ed a lot, because of it.
Edit: forgot the link
I might have a problem there.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 30, 2014, 10:40:18 am
It's annyoing when people complain about other people writing about themselves. What else can one write about competently?Arguments made entirely, or almost entirely from logical fallacies and derailing tactics. In fact, it's so rare that I see an argument where one or both sides aren't doing this, that you could say arguments annoy me. Sometimes they're downright scary.The text behind that link makes me extremely uncomfortable. Reading that already feels like arguing over the Internet.
Here's a guide that will help people recognize derailing tactics, and control if and when they use them. I'm finding it best not to participate in conversations where these are present. (http://www.derailingfordummies.com/)
Logical fallacies are a little different because there are so many, it's hard to keep track of them. Some of them are more forgivable than others, too. "False Premise, True Conclusion" is occasionally going to happen to even the most informed and intelligent people, because technology tends to improve the capability of science to find "facts", thus correcting the "old facts".
...also, unrelated: I take too long to post, and get ninja'ed a lot, because of it.
Edit: forgot the link
I might have a problem there.
That's not to say that what the author of that was trying to say in a roundabout way isn't an issue, but spirits, that sort of unwittingly ironic self-righteousness makes me gag.
Post by: tahujdt on September 30, 2014, 10:49:32 am
I actually read a YouTube argument wherein an SJW actually apologized for playing the 'male privilege' card. Mind=Blown.The intense satisfaction I take from opening my email, seeing hundreds of notifications about angry responses to my comments on youtube, and clicking that 'delete all' button. :3But what if some of them are reasonable valid respons--
Okay, I can't even finish that sentence.
Post by: frostshotgg on September 30, 2014, 11:20:51 am
Post by: miauw62 on September 30, 2014, 11:32:50 am
Post by: nenjin on September 30, 2014, 11:41:39 am
People who type all their posts in a special color. If you're so boring to need a special color in your posts to distinguish yourself, don't bother posting.
Not only that, it has only made whatever they wrote harder to read as well.
Post by: tahujdt on September 30, 2014, 11:58:03 am
Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from 'Dear Cis People'
"Dear cis people: just because I'm gay without a penis doesn't mean I like c*** up my a**. I'm a dominant top."
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WITH WHAT?
It's also funny when they try to claim that 'cis' isn't an insult, even though they frequently use it as a synonym for 'scum'. Doubly funny after reading someone saying that putting 'cis' in inverted commas is contemptuous, because it means you'd rather say 'normal'.
Tumblr in general, and SJWs in particular, are a gold mine for annoying internet crap. I recommend InternetAristocrat's 'Tumblerisms' series, wherein he chronicles such things as 'headmates', 'cultural appropriation', and 'thin privilege'. Some asshole managed to get the 'Cis Scum' video pulled down, but there's a few mirrors. He hasn't done any new episodes for a while, partially because he's covering GamerGate, and presumably also has a life. Still worth a watch.
Post by: tahujdt on September 30, 2014, 11:58:19 am
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Post by: Sirus on September 30, 2014, 12:02:54 pm
Post by: Darvi on September 30, 2014, 12:08:03 pm
People who type all their posts in a special color. If you're so boring to need a special color in your posts to distinguish yourself, don't bother posting.(._. )
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Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 30, 2014, 01:26:59 pm
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Oh, shit. People were complaining about people PTWing without actually contributing earlier in the thread, weren't they? Uh... I hate people on the internet who post links to websites without at least quickly summarizing what is in those links. Not all of us have the time, effort and access to read those links entirely after all. A small description for those who want to skip but keep up with the flow of the conversation would be nice. Does that work?
Post by: flame99 on September 30, 2014, 01:44:51 pm
Tumblr in general, and SJWs in particular, are a gold mine for annoying internet crap.Pedant time!
Saying that Tumblr in general is a gold mine of SJWs is kind of like saying that TV in general is nothing but mindless action shows. While there's some truth to the statement, it's a wild generalization about a massive thing that can't really be generalized. Yes, there's a LOT of SJWs. Yes, there's a lot of insane bullshit. Yes, there's a lot of "special snowflakes". But ultimately, it's a website, not a community. A lot of people there are just there for simple blogs, or art portfolios, or something else, rather than just being a special snowflake SJW.
It's kind of like 4Chan and /b/, on a much less massive scale. It has a part that's really bad, and a part that, while still kind of bad, is less "overwhelmingly horrible" than it is "occasionally unpleasant". The SJWs do exist, and in embarrasingly large numbers, but they're far from the entire population. [/rant]
Post by: Graknorke on September 30, 2014, 01:48:22 pm
People who type all their posts in a special color. If you're so boring to need a special color in your posts to distinguish yourself, don't bother posting.How often does that happen? I've only ever seen it maybe twice. And both times on the MSPA forums which draws a surprising number of people who think it's an exclusively RP forum.
Post by: Antsan on September 30, 2014, 02:09:58 pm
It's annyoing when people complain about other people writing about themselves. What else can one write about competently?Arguments made entirely, or almost entirely from logical fallacies and derailing tactics. In fact, it's so rare that I see an argument where one or both sides aren't doing this, that you could say arguments annoy me. Sometimes they're downright scary.The text behind that link makes me extremely uncomfortable. Reading that already feels like arguing over the Internet.
Here's a guide that will help people recognize derailing tactics, and control if and when they use them. I'm finding it best not to participate in conversations where these are present. (http://www.derailingfordummies.com/)
Logical fallacies are a little different because there are so many, it's hard to keep track of them. Some of them are more forgivable than others, too. "False Premise, True Conclusion" is occasionally going to happen to even the most informed and intelligent people, because technology tends to improve the capability of science to find "facts", thus correcting the "old facts".
...also, unrelated: I take too long to post, and get ninja'ed a lot, because of it.
Edit: forgot the link
I might have a problem there.Turned off by the virulently sarcastic ranting of a SJW? Nope, perfectly normal.You certainly do, you privileged person! After all, anecdotal evidence and righteous anger form a much better basis for one's opinions than anecdotal evidence and ignorance (or even, gasp, in some rare cases, scientific research), and the appropriate way to deal with people you don't agree with is to browbeat them until they throw their hands in the air, which is your signal to celebrate victory. But you probably won't have much luck getting arguments with people who have an irrational expectation of the conversation being a mutual exchange, so you should probably limit yourself to blog ranting about generalized stereotypes who make judgements based on generalized stereotypes. ::)
That's not to say that what the author of that was trying to say in a roundabout way isn't an issue, but spirits, that sort of unwittingly ironic self-righteousness makes me gag.
I agree with their point. In fact I agree so much that reading it makes me angry despite knowing it's satirical. That is what I call "a problem".
It's not like this is part of an actual discussion, it's just a satire of trollish behavior. Why is that wrong?
@tahujdt:
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"Dear cis people: just because I'm gay without a penis doesn't mean I like c*** up my a**. I'm a dominant top."Uhm... Do you actually want to speculate about that? If not, why are you asking? The possibilities are endless! It's not like you can only have sex with your genitals.
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WITH WHAT?
I mean, this kind of assumption is probably what they were complaining about in the first place.
I'd advice to use your fantasy a bit and if you are then grossed out enough you might want to just assume that you don't know anything about other peoples sexuality at all. Actually, you can skip that first step.
Post by: Graknorke on September 30, 2014, 02:17:24 pm
One particular hatred of mine on the Internet: the excessive use of unnecessary characters in a username, like pre/post-ceding it with x's or 0's or some other symbol.
Yes, that includes my username. Which I made... 6 years ago? Just PMed Toady anyway to change to what I actually use nowadays anyway, because I can't stand this crappy username.
Another hatred- images not in a spoiler, and not in a thread for images.
xXxn05c0p3m3817ch420w33d_81az31txXx
On another note that I forgot to mention earlier, people who badly format their posts. It makes quoting them a hassle. Mostly when they leave a blank line below spoilers or don't start a new line for the writing after the tag closes. The same goes for big spoilers too.
Be considerate, people. Format your posts well.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 30, 2014, 04:23:48 pm
Poe's Law in full effect here, but I'm taking it as being a SJW trying to make a point via satire about people who are dismissive and condescending to others.I have no idea what "SJW" stands for.Okay, I looked it up - why is that a SJW?
I agree with their point. In fact I agree so much that reading it makes me angry despite knowing it's satirical. That is what I call "a problem".
It's not like this is part of an actual discussion, it's just a satire of trollish behavior. Why is that wrong?
So what we have is:
1. A real problem: People who trivialize and generalize the opinions and experiences of others.
2. Being addressed by someone who is immersed in the SJW mindset.
3. In a sarcastic manner.
All good there. SJWs who get noticed do tend toward extremism (though of course that's natural across all fields; the more obnoxiously vocal you are, the more attention you get), but whatever, the internet is practically made of soapboxes.
4. In which they also manage to trivialize and generalize the opinions and experiences of others.
Having valid complaints or presenting them in a "clever" manner doesn't prevent you from being a hypocritical asshat. It's the central problem I have with a great many SJWs; they start with the argument "Society is fundamentally inequal in many respects," but then instead of concluding "Let's work to fix it," they default to "Fucking privileged cishet white male scum need to shut up, they don't have anything to contribute,". Not all, of course, but too many. Though again, Poe's Law at work, and it can be hard to differentiate between trolls, vocal extremists, and everyone else who gets lumped in with one or both of the above because generalization is easy.
Put simply, I try my best to be an even-minded egalitarian as far as social issues go. People are people, and everything else is trivial in comparison. So it really hurts to see people objecting to hatred default to hatred as their response, especially when it's this sort of impotent and ineffective internet posturing. I expect blind hatred from white supremacists, religious dogmatics, and so forth, which is the main reason why I tend to pay less attention to them than to people who should know better when it comes to debate (though of course it's a higher priority in political action due to the greater effect it has on society.) :|
tl;dr: Could have been an amusing bit of satire. Instead was an annoying bit of satire laden with condescension. /me shrugs.
Post by: tahujdt on September 30, 2014, 05:04:33 pm
I expect blind hatred from white supremacists, religious dogmatics, and so forthBeg pardon? What makes religious people more likely to spew hatred than SJWs?
And, random question, does anyone know of a racial superiority group that doesn't actually hate other races? It would be an interesting concept. The beliefs of such a group would actually be an interesting read. Like, say, a group that doesn't "hate" blacks, just believes them to be sub-equal, and wants to change society to recognize that belief?
Post by: mainiac on September 30, 2014, 09:58:07 pm
I think it goes to show that when you are extreme you get weird mixes, especially in a small movement. But it happens in big movements too, like how Iran is very homophobic but very transfriendly.
I don't get peoples problem with SJW myself. I consider everyone obnoxious and put myself at the top of the list so it seems silly to single out that group.
Post by: Antsan on October 01, 2014, 03:43:18 am
Having valid complaints or presenting them in a "clever" manner doesn't prevent you from being a hypocritical asshat. It's the central problem I have with a great many SJWs; they start with the argument "Society is fundamentally inequal in many respects," but then instead of concluding "Let's work to fix it," they default to "Fucking privileged cishet white male scum need to shut up, they don't have anything to contribute,". Not all, of course, but too many. Though again, Poe's Law at work, and it can be hard to differentiate between trolls, vocal extremists, and everyone else who gets lumped in with one or both of the above because generalization is easy.Oh. It's not what I got out of that text, just general annoyace at people shutting down criticism.
It's not like he attacked opinions, just the way in which they are presented.
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Put simply, I try my best to be an even-minded egalitarian as far as social issues go. People are people, and everything else is trivial in comparison. So it really hurts to see people objecting to hatred default to hatred as their response, especially when it's this sort of impotent and ineffective internet posturing. I expect blind hatred from white supremacists, religious dogmatics, and so forth, which is the main reason why I tend to pay less attention to them than to people who should know better when it comes to debate (though of course it's a higher priority in political action due to the greater effect it has on society.) :|Wel, see, that's one of the things that's so annoying. You are looked down upon, being treated like shit and then you are expected to be reasonable. "Look, I am staying totally calm while you are getting all angry."
It needs to be pointed out. If you are being beaten it's normal to lash out - it might not be sensible and it might not help, but it's understandable and putting down someone because he is getting angry because he is pushed to that instead of helping them to face the ones who are trying to be offensive and make them angry on purpose will make the problem even worse.
Post by: miauw62 on October 01, 2014, 03:53:46 am
I've only seen it twice or thrice too. Once on these forums, even. That it doesn't happen often doesn't make it less annoying, though.People who type all their posts in a special color. If you're so boring to need a special color in your posts to distinguish yourself, don't bother posting.How often does that happen? I've only ever seen it maybe twice. And both times on the MSPA forums which draws a surprising number of people who think it's an exclusively RP forum.
Post by: alexandertnt on October 01, 2014, 07:46:29 am
No use of fullstops. I think I might have mentioned it before, but its worth mentioning again. It can make text quite difficult to read.
Post by: Darvi on October 01, 2014, 07:48:29 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 01, 2014, 08:43:03 am
I could have said 'extremists' (which would honestly have been clearer, apologies), but it's been just a tad overused of late. I also could have listed off a few dozen different groups given to inflexible thought and hatred of Others, but that's what an &c. is for.I expect blind hatred from white supremacists, religious dogmatics, and so forthBeg pardon? What makes religious people more likely to spew hatred than SJWs?
And, random question, does anyone know of a racial superiority group that doesn't actually hate other races? It would be an interesting concept. The beliefs of such a group would actually be an interesting read. Like, say, a group that doesn't "hate" blacks, just believes them to be sub-equal, and wants to change society to recognize that belief?
On the second point, that's pretty much the sort of thought that was prevalent in the big European colonial empires back around the turn of the last century, where it was less "Those fucking subhuman _____s, they need to rot in hell," and more "Those poor, backwards _______s, we need to civilize them!" Though obviously it was already present in the societal superstructure, so there weren't really people trying to make it acceptable. It's also the same sort of thought that some of (and boy does this make me cringe) moderates in the U.S. around the Civil War era had about blacks, that they were still inferior but didn't deserve to be treated as if they weren't human.
So less interesting and more still-disgusting-but-at-least-it-isn't-genocide.
Post by: mainiac on October 01, 2014, 08:51:26 am
So less interesting and more still-disgusting-but-at-least-it-isn't-genocide.
Thanks, I needed a slogan for my book club.
Post by: IronTomato on October 01, 2014, 10:48:43 am
Post by: Parsely on October 01, 2014, 11:02:56 am
I've only seen it once, on pixeljoint forums, and the fellow used bright, bright neon green that hurt my eyes and said person seemingly posted everywhere.I've only seen it twice or thrice too. Once on these forums, even. That it doesn't happen often doesn't make it less annoying, though.People who type all their posts in a special color. If you're so boring to need a special color in your posts to distinguish yourself, don't bother posting.How often does that happen? I've only ever seen it maybe twice. And both times on the MSPA forums which draws a surprising number of people who think it's an exclusively RP forum.
Full stops are for scrubs.
Post by: Putnam on October 01, 2014, 05:17:46 pm
Over-zealous use of fallacies. For example, Some people seem to forget identifying fallacies are a good way to refute an argument, but by simply refuting an argument you haven't refuted a point.
No use of fullstops. I think I might have mentioned it before, but its worth mentioning again. It can make text quite difficult to read.
dude you've fallen into the fallacy fallacy fallacy
Post by: Cthulhu on October 01, 2014, 05:42:35 pm
I've only seen it once, on pixeljoint forums, and the fellow used bright, bright neon green that hurt my eyes and said person seemingly posted everywhere.I've only seen it twice or thrice too. Once on these forums, even. That it doesn't happen often doesn't make it less annoying, though.People who type all their posts in a special color. If you're so boring to need a special color in your posts to distinguish yourself, don't bother posting.How often does that happen? I've only ever seen it maybe twice. And both times on the MSPA forums which draws a surprising number of people who think it's an exclusively RP forum.Full stops are for scrubs.
Hello!
Remember Deathworks?
Cthulhu
Post by: mainiac on October 01, 2014, 07:14:03 pm
Over-zealous use of fallacies. For example, Some people seem to forget identifying fallacies are a good way to refute an argument, but by simply refuting an argument you haven't refuted a point.
No use of fullstops. I think I might have mentioned it before, but its worth mentioning again. It can make text quite difficult to read.
dude you've fallen into the fallacy fallacy fallacy
Are you new, son? That's the fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on October 01, 2014, 07:24:30 pm
that's the phallus-y fallacyOver-zealous use of fallacies. For example, Some people seem to forget identifying fallacies are a good way to refute an argument, but by simply refuting an argument you haven't refuted a point.
No use of fullstops. I think I might have mentioned it before, but its worth mentioning again. It can make text quite difficult to read.
dude you've fallen into the fallacy fallacy fallacy
Are you new, son? That's the fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy.
Post by: Morrigi on October 02, 2014, 03:36:41 am
Not sure about groups per se, but that kind of argument pops up fairly often on places like /pol/.I expect blind hatred from white supremacists, religious dogmatics, and so forthBeg pardon? What makes religious people more likely to spew hatred than SJWs?
And, random question, does anyone know of a racial superiority group that doesn't actually hate other races? It would be an interesting concept. The beliefs of such a group would actually be an interesting read. Like, say, a group that doesn't "hate" blacks, just believes them to be sub-equal, and wants to change society to recognize that belief?
Post by: hops on October 02, 2014, 06:58:11 am
def GWG(argument):that's the phallus-y fallacyOver-zealous use of fallacies. For example, Some people seem to forget identifying fallacies are a good way to refute an argument, but by simply refuting an argument you haven't refuted a point.
No use of fullstops. I think I might have mentioned it before, but its worth mentioning again. It can make text quite difficult to read.
dude you've fallen into the fallacy fallacy fallacy
Are you new, son? That's the fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy.
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Post by: Darvi on October 02, 2014, 07:05:38 am
Post by: Sheb on October 02, 2014, 07:34:42 am
It's also the same sort of thought that some of (and boy does this make me cringe) moderates in the U.S. around the Civil War era had about blacks, that they were still inferior but didn't deserve to be treated as if they weren't human.
Including Abraham Who-care-about-slavery-I-kill-vampires Lincoln which said stuff like
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I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.
Post by: Mesa on October 02, 2014, 09:13:44 am
Seriously, the people over at Awesomenauts forums are extremely notorious for that (particularly when someone, most likely me, makes a thread to speculate the next major patch, it's only a matter of time before someone makes a Pokemon-based pun (can't recall any right now) which then turns into at least one page worth of a derail. Though now they've chosen ice for whatever reason, maybe because of the new patch being ice-themed.
The newest thread had to had 40 pages of offtopic cut off before something worth speculating happened. There's a goddamn offtopic section, use it.
Also, fallacies. Granted, I am guilty of them as well, but not to the same degree as some other people are.
Good thing this site exists. (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/)
Basically anything that's going to make me cringe IRL is likely to also make cringe on the Internet. Less so, perhaps, but I hate when people around me start acting like they're seven or something.
Post by: smjjames on October 02, 2014, 09:25:37 am
It's also the same sort of thought that some of (and boy does this make me cringe) moderates in the U.S. around the Civil War era had about blacks, that they were still inferior but didn't deserve to be treated as if they weren't human.
Including Abraham Who-care-about-slavery-I-kill-vampires Lincoln which said stuff likeQuoteI have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.
Abrahan Lincolin was racist? The horror!
Seriously though, not particularily surprising considered peoples attitude towards other races at the time, and it wasn't just the US either.
Post by: Graknorke on October 02, 2014, 02:05:45 pm
Shock horror.QuoteI, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.
Post by: hops on October 02, 2014, 05:33:49 pm
Post by: McDonald on October 11, 2014, 03:03:44 pm
Post by: Putnam on October 11, 2014, 03:09:23 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on October 11, 2014, 10:10:28 pm
Defening. Saying things like "music videos today (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyMQLrnbBgE) are all about sex!" or "technology is ruining the youth!" or "music today is shit" because the little dipshits are either too young to know about the scores of shitty music of their given favorite decade or too nostalgia-blinded to remember it while they look upon the most popular music of today as if it's the only music being made nowadays because they're too fucking lazy to even think about seeking stuff they might like.Agreed.
Post by: Tawa on October 12, 2014, 12:18:27 am
It also feels like you offhandedly called a few forumites (including myself) 'little dipshits', but whatever.
Post by: Putnam on October 12, 2014, 12:49:50 am
I agree with your point, although the fact that most of your post focuses on the last thing you said is kinda odd.
It also feels like you offhandedly called a few forumites (including myself) 'little dipshits', but whatever.
I think I may have gotten carried away there, especially since "little dipshits" was supposed to refer specifically to the kind of people who are like "I'm 12 and I listen to Queen I'm so cool"
Post by: Flying Dice on October 12, 2014, 12:59:59 am
Or people of any age who insist that the vast majority of Pink Floyd songs aren't shit (unless you're really high)...
I think that the best musical argument I see often is probably the one about Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers re: "It's 'Born to Lose'!" "No, moron, it's 'Born too Loose'!" from the people who don't actually own the album (or know how to use a search engine) and thus can't check and notice that they're both right; on the original release it's Born to Lose; on the Lost '77 Mixes release of L.A.M.F. the first track on disc one is Born to Lose, the first track on disc two (which is remixes, demos, &c.) is Born too Loose; on the definitive edition they're both labeled Born too Loose. It's bloody hilarious to see hundred+comment chains of rage about that one, heh.
Post by: Sirus on October 12, 2014, 02:12:48 am
Still better than the ones who wear Nirvana shirts and don't know who Cobain is.In fairness, I could understand the confusion that could arise from that particular example. Especially if you only ever heard the titles spoken (say, on the radio) instead of reading them :P
Or people of any age who insist that the vast majority of Pink Floyd songs aren't shit (unless you're really high)...
I think that the best musical argument I see often is probably the one about Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers re: "It's 'Born to Lose'!" "No, moron, it's 'Born too Loose'!" from the people who don't actually own the album (or know how to use a search engine) and thus can't check and notice that they're both right; on the original release it's Born to Lose; on the Lost '77 Mixes release of L.A.M.F. the first track on disc one is Born to Lose, the first track on disc two (which is remixes, demos, &c.) is Born too Loose; on the definitive edition they're both labeled Born too Loose. It's bloody hilarious to see hundred+comment chains of rage about that one, heh.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 12, 2014, 02:26:28 am
Post by: Sirus on October 12, 2014, 03:03:31 am
Post by: kaenneth on November 29, 2015, 08:42:55 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on November 29, 2015, 09:28:29 pm
Ooh, does this count as an internet habit that annoys me?
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 29, 2015, 09:29:28 pm
"This video contains content from WMG, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."It is indeed a bad internet habit
Ooh, does this count as an internet habit that annoys me?
Post by: hops on November 29, 2015, 10:30:38 pm
Don't answer it then, fucklord! Nobody gives triple shit about your cheeky smartass "answer".
Post by: Flying Dice on November 29, 2015, 11:19:38 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on November 29, 2015, 11:59:32 pm
Necroposting in a thread that's been dead for over a year.
On the contrary, better to continue an old discussion than to start a new one without the useful information.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 30, 2015, 12:02:55 am
People who answer a question on Yahoo Ask just to point out that they think the question is dumb.If you see a mind bogginlgy stupid question there is no time for silence, THERE IS ONLY TIME FOR FUCKLORD
Don't answer it then, fucklord! Nobody gives triple shit about your cheeky smartass "answer".
Post by: hops on November 30, 2015, 01:33:03 am
B-but I want to know what state Hawaii is in.People who answer a question on Yahoo Ask just to point out that they think the question is dumb.If you see a mind bogginlgy stupid question there is no time for silence, THERE IS ONLY TIME FOR FUCKLORD
Don't answer it then, fucklord! Nobody gives triple shit about your cheeky smartass "answer".
Post by: Arx on November 30, 2015, 02:18:30 am
As for habits that annoy me, excessive arguing takes the cake. Not every disagreement needs to be disputed until one is valid and the other invalid. People can just have different opinions on a topic and leave it at that. Not every point of contention deserves a 10-page frantic posting hell full of vitrol. Most of the time they don't change anyone's opinion on the topic, and leave everyone involved bitter.
Man, if people didn't do this the religion thread would be ten pages long and I'd have at least twenty hours more sleep.
Post by: frostshotgg on November 30, 2015, 02:24:24 am
As for habits that annoy me, excessive arguing takes the cake. Not every disagreement needs to be disputed until one is valid and the other invalid. People can just have different opinions on a topic and leave it at that. Not every point of contention deserves a 10-page frantic posting hell full of vitrol. Most of the time they don't change anyone's opinion on the topic, and leave everyone involved bitter.For that matter, and this is not exclusive to the internet, that every disagreement must end with one side being invalidated. Both sides can be partly correct, and both parties can walk away feeling satisfied they said their piece. The purpose of arguing is rarely ever to change the other party's mind, it's to convince onlookers. Being petty and going for the "Well your argument is invalid because X" only wins you policy debate, which is the stupidest system for having a discussion anybody has ever conceived of.
Post by: Sheb on November 30, 2015, 04:12:43 am
Post by: PTTG?? on November 30, 2015, 11:55:14 am
As for habits that annoy me, excessive arguing takes the cake. Not every disagreement needs to be disputed until one is valid and the other invalid. People can just have different opinions on a topic and leave it at that. Not every point of contention deserves a 10-page frantic posting hell full of vitrol. Most of the time they don't change anyone's opinion on the topic, and leave everyone involved bitter.For that matter, and this is not exclusive to the internet, that every disagreement must end with one side being invalidated. Both sides can be partly correct, and both parties can walk away feeling satisfied they said their piece. The purpose of arguing is rarely ever to change the other party's mind, it's to convince onlookers. Being petty and going for the "Well your argument is invalid because X" only wins you policy debate, which is the stupidest system for having a discussion anybody has ever conceived of.
On the contrary (http://wondermark.com/c1139/), a debate between informed people consists of those who have put a great deal of time and effort into calculating and deriving their position and studying their opponent's position. Everyone involved in the debate has likely heard and considered everything their opponent might say; simply presenting facts won't get you anywhere. The only people who aren't highly familiar with a case and who are likely to change or form opinions are the bystanders.
Post by: Shadowlord on November 30, 2015, 03:14:06 pm
My point is, not every discussion needs to turn into a victory or failure.
Indeed.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 30, 2015, 03:15:30 pm
Post by: Dorsidwarf on November 30, 2015, 03:35:51 pm
I agree with your point, although the fact that most of your post focuses on the last thing you said is kinda odd.
It also feels like you offhandedly called a few forumites (including myself) 'little dipshits', but whatever.
I think I may have gotten carried away there, especially since "little dipshits" was supposed to refer specifically to the kind of people who are like "I'm 12 and I listen to Queen I'm so cool"
TBH though Queen are one of if not the best bands of the 20th century.
Post by: Graknorke on November 30, 2015, 03:38:25 pm
My point is, not every discussion needs to turn into a victory or failure.Surely that only stands if you thinking that every position is right and wrong at the same time. Otherwise there would be a right side and a wrong side.
Post by: Antsan on November 30, 2015, 03:51:21 pm
No, it only assumes that right and wrong aren't always determinable. Only because there is a right and wrong side it doesn't mean that we have a meaningful way of finding out which is what.My point is, not every discussion needs to turn into a victory or failure.Surely that only stands if you thinking that every position is right and wrong at the same time. Otherwise there would be a right side and a wrong side.
Also in a lot of cases what Ispil said is important. Some things are just subjective and many things discussed depend on subjective things.
Post by: wierd on November 30, 2015, 06:38:47 pm
Take for instance:
If you have a fever (prevailing condition)- then taking an anti-inflammatory drug to make the fever go down may be beneficial, to avoid cooking your internal organs.
However, if you are perfectly healthy-- taking the anti-inflammatory drug is probably not advisable, because they are linked with stomach and liver problems.
That's a pretty straight forward, and easy to follow example, but the real world is filled with far more difficult conundrums that are harder to sort out-- say for instance, the impacts of aggressive controls on carbon emissions in the face of climate change and the economic fallout of those controls. (This does not ask the question if climate change is real or not-- it assumes that it is-- it instead asks if aggressive emissions controls on carbon based fuels is more beneficial than detrimental. It's a complicated question, because there are many nuances to the details of the conundrum.)
When you throw in such ephemeral (but completely real!) factors as cultural bias, subjective bias, and destructive self-interests, you can land in a very untenable situation very quickly.
Post by: Putnam on November 30, 2015, 06:42:35 pm
I agree with your point, although the fact that most of your post focuses on the last thing you said is kinda odd.
It also feels like you offhandedly called a few forumites (including myself) 'little dipshits', but whatever.
I think I may have gotten carried away there, especially since "little dipshits" was supposed to refer specifically to the kind of people who are like "I'm 12 and I listen to Queen I'm so cool"
TBH though Queen are one of if not the best bands of the 20th century.
wow this is a year later and the only thing that's really changed is that my language has gotten less crass when talking about other people
anyway:
queen is one of the best bands in the 20th century, yeah, which is why it's not really cool to listen to queen
everyone listens to queen, they were ridiculously popular and good at the same time
in general i'd say liking popular, good rock isn't cool, like goddamn, rock is really dumb that way, all the "best" rock was the most popular rock too
see, i basically don't listen to music at all, which may in fact be a bad decision since music and listening to it more deeply than the average person is the closest thing to a livelihood i have right now ($2 over a month W A O W that's over 60x what I made in the previous few years) but whatever
Post by: Bohandas on December 21, 2015, 01:59:16 am
*Other similarly disguised ads posted in other media
Also, does it have to be user habits. I've got a few habits of sites and corporations that piss me off too, including:
*Non-"Simple Machines" (nor Simple-Machines-esque) forums (ie, those in the style of Reddit or 4chan)
*Porn sites that ask for your specific age instead of jist having you click "Yes, I'm over 18"
*On a related note, any site that enforces age restrictions more than the minimum legally allowable amount. And the fact that there are such restrictions. It pissed me off when I was 16 and I see no reason to stop being indignant just because I'm no longer personally victimized by it.
*DMCA takedown requests, regardless of whether they're legitimate or not
*The fact that the DMCA exists in the first place
*All forms of intellectual property regulation
*Anything you need to create an account for
*Anything that asks for your name
Post by: flame99 on December 21, 2015, 02:03:52 am
Post by: Bohandas on December 21, 2015, 02:17:01 am
It's also the same sort of thought that some of (and boy does this make me cringe) moderates in the U.S. around the Civil War era had about blacks, that they were still inferior but didn't deserve to be treated as if they weren't human.
Including Abraham Who-care-about-slavery-I-kill-vampires Lincoln which said stuff likeQuoteI have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.
Abrahan Lincolin was racist? The horror!
To be fair, he didn't even say they were inferior there, just that they were too different to ever fit in. I can't say that that seems entirely invalid. Luckily this can be coreected with sufficiently widespread miscegenation, and then there will be peace and harmony.
Post by: NullForceOmega on December 21, 2015, 05:24:27 am
Post by: Bohandas on December 21, 2015, 08:34:36 am
Post by: Starver on December 21, 2015, 05:04:39 pm
Except for me, of course. Someone needs to operate the blender, and unblock the drains afterwards.
Post by: Putnam on December 21, 2015, 06:51:55 pm
Nature cannot function without conflict
Back that up.
Post by: Strife26 on December 21, 2015, 08:14:10 pm
Aaaand done
Post by: Putnam on December 21, 2015, 09:05:59 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on December 21, 2015, 09:14:14 pm
Wut.
Post by: Cthulufaic on December 21, 2015, 09:37:47 pm
*glances in "Internet habits which annoy you" thread, sees "Racial harmony"*Skynet prides itself in being politically correct and an equal opportunity employer.
Wut.
Post by: Bohandas on December 21, 2015, 10:40:15 pm
*glances in "Internet habits which annoy you" thread, sees "Racial harmony"*
Wut.
I was correcting something someone else said.
Post by: Sonlirain on December 21, 2015, 10:44:34 pm
That's not saying it cannot, only that it does not.In this case he's not the person who has to back up his claim but you need to back up yours.
So far all life but the most primitive is in a state of conflict to some degree.
Post by: Putnam on December 21, 2015, 11:08:02 pm
That's not saying it cannot, only that it does not.In this case he's not the person who has to back up his claim but you need to back up yours.
? No? I didn't even make a claim.
Post by: itisnotlogical on December 22, 2015, 09:01:45 am
Post by: Graknorke on December 22, 2015, 02:11:16 pm
I cannot stand when people get pissed over people liking something frivolous. Like, oh REALLY!? You have never done anything irrelevant, entertaining or purely for fun in your ENTIRE life? I bet you must have made that picture with one hand while using the other hand to feed porridge to an orphan, and both feet to dig out the foundation to a wind farm in a rural African community. What a fucking world peace advocate. Oh that's right, you're just a douchebag on Facebook, posting some dumb bullshit you made with an online meme generator.Have you seen that hipster guy who made a video where he outright said that doing anything for fun is bad. Funny stuff.
Post by: Bohandas on December 22, 2015, 02:49:54 pm
I cannot stand when people get pissed over people liking something frivolous. Like, oh REALLY!? You have never done anything irrelevant, entertaining or purely for fun in your ENTIRE life?
I can't stand that either. That's why I'm opposed to prudes and homophobes.
Post by: H4zardZ1 on December 23, 2015, 01:32:46 am
If this are true and he knew that is a fun thing, he broke his own rule.I cannot stand when people get pissed over people liking something frivolous. Like, oh REALLY!? You have never done anything irrelevant, entertaining or purely for fun in your ENTIRE life? I bet you must have made that picture with one hand while using the other hand to feed porridge to an orphan, and both feet to dig out the foundation to a wind farm in a rural African community. What a fucking world peace advocate. Oh that's right, you're just a douchebag on Facebook, posting some dumb bullshit you made with an online meme generator.Have you seen that hipster guy who made a video where he outright said that doing anything for fun is bad. Funny stuff.
Post by: Graknorke on December 23, 2015, 04:29:09 am
Can't tell, but god is his face punchable. (https://youtu.be/eTdgHsifK38)If this are true and he knew that is a fun thing, he broke his own rule.I cannot stand when people get pissed over people liking something frivolous. Like, oh REALLY!? You have never done anything irrelevant, entertaining or purely for fun in your ENTIRE life? I bet you must have made that picture with one hand while using the other hand to feed porridge to an orphan, and both feet to dig out the foundation to a wind farm in a rural African community. What a fucking world peace advocate. Oh that's right, you're just a douchebag on Facebook, posting some dumb bullshit you made with an online meme generator.Have you seen that hipster guy who made a video where he outright said that doing anything for fun is bad. Funny stuff.
Post by: Amperzand on December 23, 2015, 05:59:23 am
!!This!! doesn't count, obviously.
Post by: Graknorke on December 23, 2015, 06:09:28 am
Post by: Sheb on December 23, 2015, 06:10:42 am
Post by: Amperzand on December 23, 2015, 06:14:47 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 23, 2015, 07:43:00 am
Have you seen that hipster guy who made a video where he outright said that doing anything for fun is bad. Funny stuff.I like that version where it has his speech overlaid on the death march
All the talk about ending fun and challenging what's best for you makes him a good Orwell villain
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 23, 2015, 11:06:55 am
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Work is Play
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Work is Play
Post by: Shadowlord on December 23, 2015, 12:44:10 pm
Post by: Bohandas on December 23, 2015, 02:12:37 pm
Ignorance is Strength ought to be a Trump bumper sticker.
OMG, it really should. (or possibly one for the Republican Party in general)
Post by: wierd on December 23, 2015, 04:58:58 pm
What I cant stand, is the over-attachment people have over "Likes" and "Friending".
I personally do not use and will likely never use social media. (I consider it internet venerial disease.) That does not mean I should get shitty toward people that do use it. But I WOULD like people that do use it, to realize that somebody unfriending them on facebook does not mean they hate them, etc.
Post by: itisnotlogical on December 23, 2015, 05:56:45 pm
I use Facebook to see what my friends are talking about, share things I find interesting or funny, and message people that don't have phones or Steam. What's wrong with that?
Post by: wierd on December 23, 2015, 06:00:33 pm
Data is mined about people that DID NOT agree to the site's EULA. Say for instance, people posting pictures of people they know on facebook, giving Facebook legal access to use those images for monetary gain. Further, it has become SOP for HR drones to cyberstalk potential hires. LetNs just say there is a lot of actual dirty laundry on facebook
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 23, 2015, 06:06:05 pm
Ignorance is Strength ought to be a Trump bumper sticker.Just start quoting 40k
IDLENESS IS THE ROOT OF HERESY
SUFFER NOT THE XENOS TO LIVE (here)
CHAOS CANDIDATES BUILD WALLS
e.t.c
Post by: Amperzand on December 23, 2015, 06:22:27 pm
Post by: Bohandas on December 23, 2015, 06:54:55 pm
I find social media unpalatable because:
Data is mined about people that DID NOT agree to the site's EULA. Say for instance, people posting pictures of people they know on facebook, giving Facebook legal access to use those images for monetary gain. Further, it has become SOP for HR drones to cyberstalk potential hires. LetNs just say there is a lot of actual dirty laundry on facebook
Yeah, Facebook is toxic shit
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 23, 2015, 07:07:37 pm
It would actually be amazing if we did that. Just start a "Support campaign" for the republican agenda, but make it as farcical and obviously-evil as possible.Washingtonpost did a design your own hat thing that got hijacked by anons, they came up with stuff like:
BUILD WALL
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK
STEEL BEAMS
e.t.c.
Post by: Starver on December 23, 2015, 09:02:37 pm
As in Facebook-style SM. I've been a BBS/Forum-type socialite, in my time. Some might say that I'm not averse to being so upon Bay12Forums (although that's not my intention). I've been a top contributor to a University BBS, back in the day (with the added 'benefit'1 of being able to meet up with others on campus bar-crawls), and for a long time I was a regular on a Usenet group (one of the better groups for signal:noise ratio, even after Eternal September started).
Currently, I'm a bit cut back. Two quite-active forums (Bay12 and another), a handful of irregular ones that I'll occasionally dip into. None of them with the same username or (knowingly) significant union of populations. I don't tend to geolocate myself (knowingly! ...I know there's a post here on Bay12 that could probably narrow my locale down to within 50 miles, but that's Ok, given the huge population in that area). I don't post selfies (there are some, technically, but that's elsewhere. Not linkable to anywhere else, and not gratuitous selfies, just a necessary record within the context of the Wiki concerned). I have considered Twittering (but not until I've worked out why I want to), I've never considered Facebooking, nor Flickr, Tindr, Grindr or anything gratuitously ending in a non-'er'ed 'r'. (Although Flickr does look most like the spiritual successor to the still-not-dead Usenet. In Web2.0 rather than NNTP/plaintext format.)
I also don't keep my mobile devices (those that are more than the DumbPhone I still habitually carry) permanently net-connected. Nor keep the GPS on. And not just because of the battery drain (although that's certainly something to do with it). My camera is a camera, not a phone/tablet-with-a-camera. (My phone, remembering that it's a DumbPhone, doesn't even have a camera. My tablet does, both front- and back-facing, but is rarely used.) My camera doesn't have GPS capabilities. I will use the GPS on my tablet, but only when suitable, and only rarely in conjunction with the camera, and even rarer with the camera recording the geolocation information.
But all that just goes to show that I'm probably the worst mix between oldschool-hipster and technoluddite. Perhaps it's because I've never been on any particular rollercoaster when the ride first started, that I feel so entitled to consider the new-fangled stuff to be too 'faddish'. Perhaps if I had discovered Twitter in the very early days (like I did the Web, before it and the Internet in general even became 'a thing' to the general public) I'd be differently-thinking.
I definitely consider myself an Asocial Mediator. Not antisocial (I hate trolls/trollz/etc as much as the next person - assuming the next person isn't a troll), at least not intentionally. And, please, feel free to update your FaceSpace Wall with your Twits, Blog your Blags, Selfie yourself in front of your town's Webosphere Access Point, and add your Anonposts to whatever WikiWikiWildWildWest talk page that you want. (I'll admit, I've contributed to Wikipedia, but only as an AnonIP... which isn't my current IP, so making it more anon that an AnonIP could actually ends up being on a fixed-line.)
But don't ask me to join your Facebook group. Too much trouble for me. I'll just wibble away on places like Bay12, if you please. And I'm not sure that's because I like the (ultimate arbiter that is the) active moderation behind it... because Usenet never had that... but I think it helps that the scale is such that a friendly atmosphere is retained without a faceless organisation (that is far, far removed from being 'one of us') having to sort out conflicts.
Obviously my mind just isn't attuned to Web3.0. Or whatever level we've reached by now. ;)
1 Actually, it was a benefit. And that we mostly knew each other by our usernames, rather than real names, just led me onto all my future forms of online interactions, whether or not physical meet-ups happened. I already have a physical meet-up scheduled, for next year, with online acquaintances that I've (on the whole) been in contact with for up to a couple of decades... I'm a bit of a stick-in-the-mud...
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 27, 2015, 10:34:49 am
Most of them are dumb; some have a grain of truth; and some are inspirational.
But one particular quote just riled me up. “Do not educate your child to be rich. Educate him to be happy. So when he grows up, he’ll know the value of things, not the price.”
Are you fucking kidding me out of my ass on this one? So, avoid teaching your children to be frugal about things because they won't be happy if they save for stuff that matter? What's this; teaching people to be Short-Term Normative Oriented? So poverty strikes and eventually these particular educators of people curse their own children for being poor and stressed and unable to achieve their own happiness goals? Who writes this shit?
I don't really care what you do with your money, but if you ask me, teaching a particular person about the value of their finances is very important so they won't screw themselves over with ill-planned purchases. There's such a thing called moderation."
E: The problem primarily is that I often have to touch Facebook because everyone thinks it's a convenient way to connect, and therefore some college-related assignments get posted online via that. I get to see this crap often due to that.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 27, 2015, 11:26:27 am
Post by: Caz on December 27, 2015, 11:42:33 am
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 27, 2015, 12:35:51 pm
need to add that extra newline, otherwise it looks stupid
see? and god forbid you need to have more than one sentence strung together, then what do you do
its a contributing factor to me disabling signatures, so waste-of-space posts take up less real estate
i guess theres the ignore function, which i also use, but i lack discipline and just open the posts anyway
Post by: PTTG?? on December 27, 2015, 02:42:08 pm
when people cant find the shift key or use punctuation or apostrophes
yeah
Post by: PTTG?? on December 27, 2015, 02:43:04 pm
when people cant find the shift key or use punctuation or apostrophes
yeah
also people quoting themselves, double-posting instead of editing, and self-referential complaining
Post by: TheDarkStar on December 27, 2015, 06:41:59 pm
when people cant find the shift key or use punctuation or apostrophes
yeah
also people quoting themselves, double-posting instead of editing, and self-referential complaining
Hey, At Least It's, Better Than Capitalizing, Every Word, And Having An Excess, Of Commas, While Being Very, Self-Referential.
Post by: Starver on December 28, 2015, 01:45:10 am
when people cant find the shift key or use punctuation or apostrophes
yeah
also people quoting themselves, double-posting instead of editing, and self-referential complaining
Hey, At Least It's, Better Than Capitalizing, Every Word, And Having An Excess, Of Commas, While Being Very, Self-Referential.
UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS.
(Am I showing my age?)
Post by: Skyrunner on December 28, 2015, 02:26:56 am
Post by: Bohandas on December 28, 2015, 10:18:03 pm
Post by: Morrigi on December 28, 2015, 11:43:33 pm
American politics have more than enough ignorance on both sides of the aisle.Ignorance is Strength ought to be a Trump bumper sticker.
OMG, it really should. (or possibly one for the Republican Party in general)
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 28, 2015, 11:48:05 pm
Post by: Bohandas on December 29, 2015, 12:41:10 am
Post by: Graknorke on December 29, 2015, 12:49:36 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 29, 2015, 01:09:08 am
No Bohandas because that's a pretty dumb opinion. They're both good at what they're meant to do. Reddit's lets everyone with the same opinions talk to each other and only each other, while 4chan's lets everyone direct words at any other post. And for an imageboard the whole posting images thing needs to be a key part of the functionality, instead of having to upload them elsewhere and link to them.Yeah. So what it is is you don't like imageboards?
Post by: Antsan on December 29, 2015, 07:17:01 am
Yeah, why should I take them less seriously than you do? Why do you feel the need to affirm that telling jokes is so important that they're beyond criticism?
Frikkin' pc-haters. Philosophically undereducated, self-absorbed pricks. Why don't they understand that society doesn't revolve around them and their needs?
Post by: SirQuiamus on December 29, 2015, 07:24:31 am
ACCEPT YOUR LORD AND SAVIORI find social media unpalatable...Yeah, Facebook is toxic shit
(https://thefrailestthing.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/facebookjesus.jpg)
| Sinners go to: | Rightchuss go to: | The end is neer: | This here is: |
| REPENT | ZUCKER LAND |
Post by: Flying Dice on December 29, 2015, 07:27:30 am
"It's only a joke, don't take them seriously!"Yeah man, fuck free speech.
Yeah, why should I take them less seriously than you do? Why do you feel the need to affirm that telling jokes is so important that they're beyond criticism?
Frikkin' pc-haters. Philosophically undereducated, self-absorbed pricks. Why don't they understand that society doesn't revolve around them and their needs?
Post by: Adragis on December 29, 2015, 07:37:08 am
It's, like... the stupidest... thing, y'know?
You probably... don't understand...
I'm just gonna go... and crawl under the covers...
You guys... you don't care...
[insert more angsty teenage whining]
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Post by: Adragis on December 29, 2015, 07:54:46 am
Post by: Starver on December 29, 2015, 07:59:58 am
SMF is clean and happy, by the defaults Toady has configured and with several of the alternative layouts that I've seen but not tried, but I don't like its equivalent of the 'Watch thread' feature that is more useful on other systems. Also the ability to upload (size-limited) attachments/images-for-inline is missing, at least on the Bay12 implementation. But never mind, we have DFFD for anything Relevent and various (mostly) easily available choices of things like TinyPic for anything that isn't.
ProBoards(/FreeForum) is a little uglier (although fully configurable) in appearance, but does have a sort-of-workable "Watch thread", with both Bookmarking (manual watch-thread, regardless of whether you PTWed) and Participated (automatically what you did contribute to). Except for an annoying tendency to forget the 'read through to' points in a thread that is idle for a long time and then added to (i.e. sometimes even reverting the link to 'New' message staging point back to the start, well before one's own latest contribution). It's good with forum-uploaded files, though.
One phpBB example that I use seems to be being run very minimally. There's not even a [spoiler] tag implemented and appears to not even have any "Show new replies to your posts" equivalent (luckily, it's low volume, so I can manually check all sub-boards for new/with-new-posts topics) but it is again clean in design, perhaps due to the same minimality. Another phpBB example does seem to have a fuller compliment, but is also far, far busier and harder to keep track of. Meanwhile both lack a mechanism for Personal Messages (the web-game they serve, within which is already a player2player messaging system, so it isn't a great loss) but in one of those, particularly, forumIDs link directly to player-pages (which fails if you were lurking without logging in) which seems to deliberately obfuscate the way to check for "last posts from a person" without going doing a manual search by several more clicks.
I've not used (and, even then, mostly just browsed) chan-type boards/imageboards in a long time, and (while I'm not particularly aiming to be unanonymous, behind my pseudonym, here) the propensity of "anons" and obviously long-established in-jokes among the community leaves me feeling disassociated and not keen to participate myself, nor lurk around until I would be keen.
Meanwhile, I'm perfectly happy to provide anonIP (ironically, to some extent less anonymous, I know) contributions to Wikis, including the main one. (Though the last thing I added was removed within an hour by a long-term user that I later found had a number of 3RR violations/queries to her name. And the new issue I'd added clarification for ended up being debated in the Talk page several days later, needing clarification similar to my original contribution... Looks like I found one of the bad editors... Never mind; it's been discussed now. I'm not bitter! ;) )
I should rather like the various Reddit-style forums (and post-article commentary sections, on various news/blog post sites). Their tree-like threading of topics is reminiscent of Usenet threading, but I haven't partaken in that kind myself. For one reason or other, I have a dislike for 'like/dislike' ranking, though (seen upon that platform and elsewhere). I'm very reliant upon other people's judgement/prejudice/stacking-the-system behaviour, and I don't think I always trust them as much as I ought to.
The big thing is that the virtual world is a much bigger place, these days. I grew up with the mindset that I would read every message on the very first BBS I was a member of (and, frankly, the capability to do that). I had to moderate that feeling when Usenet became available (I must admit I tried... and it was before the Eternal September, WebTV, GoogleGroups, etc... but I also resisted the temptation to use the Kibo approach to spreading my wings) and henceforth stuck to a good half-dozen or more key groups to be active in, and a dozen or so more that I'd mostly just lurk in.
I currently can't even read all the (new) messages on Bay12, as I'd ideally like to (with the time), never mind that the easiest mechanism for keeping up with 'last read post in an unPTWed thread' (or, especially, a contributed-to-thread where you've still a 'gap' to read through, betwixt the old last-read-post and the point at which one does post) is to create a new tab or save the "...;last_msg=6698073" URL to a text file, to resume at that point. Another, less active, forum I'm on has a large amount of 'back-catalogue' threads (a much smaller community, but created a full year prior to my arrival), including the 'general chat' one that I've a feeling a lot of the socialising goes on in, that I've just not been able to make a dent in reading through. This bothers me, where I'm sure it wouldn't bother others.
TL;DR; for the last bit, at least: The Internet habit that annoys me is that it's got too much stuff on it! Stop it, Internet! You're growing beyond my ability to read all of you! I need to find the Read-Write hole and cover it up so that it's Read-Only for a while, so I can catch up...
(Case in point: "Warning - while you were typing 6 new replies have been posted.")
Post by: Skyrunner on December 29, 2015, 10:15:43 am
Post by: Graknorke on December 29, 2015, 07:37:39 pm
Why don't they understand that society doesn't revolve around them and their needs?Welp, looks like we've got the entire internet summed up. GG let's turn it all off.
Post by: Fenrir on December 29, 2015, 07:46:30 pm
This is an excellent example of an annoying Internet habit: people not understanding what the concept of “free speech” is."It's only a joke, don't take them seriously!"Yeah man, fuck free speech.
Yeah, why should I take them less seriously than you do? Why do you feel the need to affirm that telling jokes is so important that they're beyond criticism?
Frikkin' pc-haters. Philosophically undereducated, self-absorbed pricks. Why don't they understand that society doesn't revolve around them and their needs?
“Free speech” doesn’t mean “speech you can’t cricitize”, and it doesn’t mean “private parties can’t restrict access to private resources based on the content of speech”.
Post by: Helgoland on December 29, 2015, 07:51:43 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on December 29, 2015, 08:12:16 pm
This is an excellent example of an annoying internet habit: people not understanding that "free speech" is part of a value system and not just a grudging legal obligation.This is an excellent example of an annoying Internet habit: people not understanding what the concept of “free speech” is."It's only a joke, don't take them seriously!"Yeah man, fuck free speech.
Yeah, why should I take them less seriously than you do? Why do you feel the need to affirm that telling jokes is so important that they're beyond criticism?
Frikkin' pc-haters. Philosophically undereducated, self-absorbed pricks. Why don't they understand that society doesn't revolve around them and their needs?
“Free speech” doesn’t mean “speech you can’t cricitize”, and it doesn’t mean “private parties can’t restrict access to private resources based on the content of speech”.
"Free speech" isn't just about the concepts enshrined or not by law, but about whether or not you as a human being affirm or deny the greater idea of it being wrong to coerce or suppress others, even if the law does not or can not address it. If, as many do, you interact with freedom of speech by awaiting the opportunity to enforce your will above others when there is no way to stop you, then you are opposed to free speech. It is not a part of your value system, because what a person expresses when not under coercion is the proof of what they value.
Post by: Graknorke on December 29, 2015, 08:13:38 pm
“Free speech” doesn’t mean “speech you can’t cricitize”m8, when people bring up free speech it's usually because the people they're opposing want to stop people from saying certain things
I have never actually seen the strawman conversation that people like you seem to think happens that goes something like:
"A thing"
"Your thing is dumb"
"reeee muh free speech"
Post by: Fenrir on December 29, 2015, 08:16:08 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on December 29, 2015, 09:38:53 pm
I'm down with criticism. I'm totally for open argumentation about whatever happens to be the issue of the moment. What I was (fittingly enough) criticizing was twofold: the notion that it's wrong to defend freedom of expression (regardless of the form it takes) and general advocacy of the suppression via social pressure of doubleplus ungood wrongthink; and the explicit advocacy of a culture devoted to censorship (and the strawmanning and derision of those opposed to it).
People can say shitty things. That's okay. Other people can criticize them for saying those things. That's also okay. What is not okay is to act as if people shouldn't be allowed to say things because of whatever arbitrary moral standard you're trying to impose on society. Just because someone says something that triggers you doesn't mean you get to metaphorically cut out their tongue and lock them in the pillory.
Post by: Helgoland on December 29, 2015, 09:40:56 pm
"Free speech" isn't just about the concepts enshrined or not by law, but about whether or not you as a human being affirm or deny the greater idea of it being wrong to coerce or suppress others, even if the law does not or can not address it. If, as many do, you interact with freedom of speech by awaiting the opportunity to enforce your will above others when there is no way to stop you, then you are opposed to free speech. It is not a part of your value system, because what a person expresses when not under coercion is the proof of what they value.You Americans have a weird freedom-of-speech fetish. For example, any sane non-American person will go to great lengths in order to suppress the expression of National Socialist thoughts and the propagation of such ideas; only an American would consider this opposition to free speech. As far as I can tell freedom of speech is not an end in itself, but rather a means to an end: A means to facilitate free political discourse within the bounds of the acceptable. Democracy and the Rechtsstaat should not give its opponents the means to destroy it; it should rather turn those very weapons against them.
[quote auhor=Karl Popper]We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.[/quote]
Quote from: Joseph Goebbels
Wenn unsere Gegner sagen: ›Ja, wir haben Euch doch früher die [...] Freiheit der Meinung zugebilligt.‹ Ja, Ihr uns! Das ist doch kein Beweis, daß wir das Euch auch tuen sollen! [...] Daß Ihr das uns gegeben habt, das ist ja ein Beweis, wie dumm Ihr seid!
Quote from: Rough translation
When our adversaries say: 'Yes, yesterday we granted to you too [...] freedom of speech." Yes, you us! But this is hardly proof that we should do the same for you too! [...] That you granted us as much, that is just proof how stupid you are!
TL;DR: The American concept of 'freedom of speech' is very much culture-specific and hardly universal.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 29, 2015, 09:45:30 pm
It seems much safer to me to allow the bigots and lunatics to speak freely, that we can all see them for what they are well before they can attain a position of power.
Post by: frostshotgg on December 29, 2015, 10:20:20 pm
Post by: Sheb on December 30, 2015, 04:56:31 am
Post by: Flying Dice on December 30, 2015, 06:47:50 am
Actually, there's a pretty fundamental piece of American cultural history which expresses the sentiment better than I can:
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Post by: SirQuiamus on December 30, 2015, 06:52:17 am
"Free speech" isn't just about the concepts enshrined or not by law, but about whether or not you as a human being affirm or deny the greater idea of it being wrong to coerce or suppress others, even if the law does not or can not address it. If, as many do, you interact with freedom of speech by awaiting the opportunity to enforce your will above others when there is no way to stop you, then you are opposed to free speech. It is not a part of your value system, because what a person expresses when not under coercion is the proof of what they value.What if a crazy billionaire declares a secular fatwa on your ass and offers megabucks for anyone willing to murder you in a painful fashion? Would you rather suppress his freedom of speech and coerce him to stop, or face the consequences of adhering to your lofty moral imperative?
It seems much safer to me to allow the bigots and lunatics to speak freely, that we can all see them for what they are well before they can attain a position of power.What if the bigots and lunatics insist that they are perfectly tolerant and sane, but everyone else is constantly trampling on their freeze peach by merely existing? If two or more opposing factions try to suppress each other while defending their freedom of speech under the pretext of universal freedom, who's going to decide which version is the "correct," practical way to apply the abstract ideal of free speech?
[BTW, this discussion might be more on-topic in this thread. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=154654.0)]
Post by: Antsan on December 30, 2015, 07:17:38 am
Yeah, because calling someone out is such a horrible thing to do! You're taking away their free speech when you call them an asshole! It's almost like punching them in the face! I am really sorry, I forgot how sensible those people are to words."It's only a joke, don't take them seriously!"Yeah man, fuck free speech.
Yeah, why should I take them less seriously than you do? Why do you feel the need to affirm that telling jokes is so important that they're beyond criticism?
Frikkin' pc-haters. Philosophically undereducated, self-absorbed pricks. Why don't they understand that society doesn't revolve around them and their needs?
"Dude, making these jokes makes you an asshole!"
"You free-speech-hater hurt my feelings so much that I cannot speak freely anymore!"
As you can see my beef with this line of reasoning is a bit different.This is an excellent example of an annoying Internet habit: people not understanding what the concept of “free speech” is.This is an excellent example of an annoying internet habit: people not understanding that "free speech" is part of a value system and not just a grudging legal obligation.
“Free speech” doesn’t mean “speech you can’t cricitize”, and it doesn’t mean “private parties can’t restrict access to private resources based on the content of speech”.
"Free speech" isn't just about the concepts enshrined or not by law, but about whether or not you as a human being affirm or deny the greater idea of it being wrong to coerce or suppress others, even if the law does not or can not address it. If, as many do, you interact with freedom of speech by awaiting the opportunity to enforce your will above others when there is no way to stop you, then you are opposed to free speech. It is not a part of your value system, because what a person expresses when not under coercion is the proof of what they value.
Yea, you're right, mostly it goes like this“Free speech” doesn’t mean “speech you can’t cricitize”m8, when people bring up free speech it's usually because the people they're opposing want to stop people from saying certain things
I have never actually seen the strawman conversation that people like you seem to think happens that goes something like:
"A thing"
"Your thing is dumb"
"reeee muh free speech"
"A thing"
"Your thing is offensive and hurtful [to me]. [Please] stop it." (bracketed part depending on how entitled/self-centered this one is)
"reeee muh free speech"
Post by: Sheb on December 30, 2015, 07:48:16 am
Post by: Aklyon on December 30, 2015, 10:36:32 am
Post by: Graknorke on December 30, 2015, 10:43:19 am
Yea, you're right, mostly it goes like thisFixed. It only ever comes up when someone says that people should be stopped from speaking, which happens an awful lot actually.
"A thing"
"Your thing is offensive and hurtful [to me]. [Please] stop it."
"Lol I can say what I want"
"No you can't"
"reeee muh free speech"
Graknorke, just look at the Tim Hunt case for a textbook case of people going "Muh Speech!" after the guy was yelled at for saying something dumb.Did he ever try and make it a free speech issue? I thought he had the far more eloquent defence of "It's just a
Post by: Antsan on December 30, 2015, 12:16:50 pm
Your experience differs from mine, which could very well be due to miscommunication.Yea, you're right, mostly it goes like thisFixed. It only ever comes up when someone says that people should be stopped from speaking, which happens an awful lot actually.
"A thing"
"Your thing is offensive and hurtful [to me]. [Please] stop it."
"Lol I can say what I want"
"No you can't"
"reeee muh free speech"
See, the people most often accused of "fighting free speech" that way are leftists and many of those (particularly the ones I am concerned about because I see them as peers) are pacifists or close to being pacifists. If they say something along the lines of "you can't" (which is very unlikely to be the actual choice of words) they mean to tell you that it's not something you can do and still be considered a decent human being. The assumption is that people do want to be decent human beings and thus would avoid doing something that makes them something else.
At least that is the case that I was talking about in the first place. I'm an anarchist and pacifist, I don't even consider actively doing anything but looking at someone with disdain and making a snide (or angry) comment. And somehow that always is depicted as being worse than whatever I happen to criticize – be it rape jokes, homophobia, assertions that certain groups of people should not be allowed to make their own decisions, calls for murder or genocide…
FREE SPEECH!!! you know? Because my free speech ends where their's begins or something like that.
Post by: Sheb on December 30, 2015, 01:06:08 pm
Graknorke, just look at the Tim Hunt case for a textbook case of people going "Muh Speech!" after the guy was yelled at for saying something dumb.Did he ever try and make it a free speech issue? I thought he had the far more eloquent defence of "It's just aprankjoke bro."
Not sure he did directly, but plenty of his defenders certainly did. You just have to look at the thread we had here.
Post by: kaenneth on December 30, 2016, 03:20:31 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on December 30, 2016, 03:26:24 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on December 31, 2016, 01:40:45 am
Excessive edgelordness. "Hahahhaha i say things that are socially unacceptable xD im such a funny random memer : p"
I'm still too actually-mad to say more without it being a rant.
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 03, 2017, 05:40:20 pm
Go to youtube comments and find statements that deal with serious topics but clearly aren't edgy and then you'll without a doubt over time find more and more teenagers abusing those commentors for being "fucking edgy teenagers" because they don't know what edgy means
Post by: Flying Dice on January 03, 2017, 05:45:26 pm
Tbh I don't mind excessive edgelordness just because that's contextual and relative, I get pissed off when people call everything edgyNow, if they're dealing with serious topics in the comments below a Linkin Park AMV...
Go to youtube comments and find statements that deal with serious topics but clearly aren't edgy and then you'll without a doubt over time find more and more teenagers abusing those commentors for being "fucking edgy teenagers" because they don't know what edgy means
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 03, 2017, 05:47:09 pm
Post by: ☼Another☼ on January 03, 2017, 05:47:30 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on January 03, 2017, 06:10:26 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on January 03, 2017, 06:30:40 pm
They all laughed, but we'll see who's laughing when I publish my seminal thesis: Grief Management In Regards To Self-Directed Internet Musical TherapyWill you be publishing it engraved on buckshot? :P
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 03, 2017, 06:32:33 pm
They all laughed, but we'll see who's laughing when I publish my seminal thesis: Grief Management In Regards To Self-Directed Internet Musical TherapyI'm helping (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYGb8VHjRI)
Post by: SalmonGod on January 15, 2018, 04:59:10 am
I've grown annoyed with how any funny image or short video on the internet, especially with a caption, is referred to as a meme. And how the creation of such things has become a pursuit for its own sake. It's well out of hand these last couple years.
Being on the internet doesn't make everything a meme, and they lose their charm when they're forced.
Post by: martinuzz on January 15, 2018, 05:37:26 am
I think it's some kind of babbie word, like gaga, and booboo.
Post by: Arx on January 15, 2018, 10:37:35 am
I guess I'm old, but I still don't know what a meme is.
I'm afraid you're less old and more unaware, since the term "meme" is older than you are. :P
It's an idea or concept that spreads (possibly virally) through a population. It's a sort of model of trends/behaviours/etc. that treats them like organisms, with memes analogous to genes. A successful meme is one that spreads and survives.
Internet memes are just a specific subset of that.
There's a certain age group that likes to parrot the meme of the hour. It bothers me, too.
Post by: nenjin on January 15, 2018, 11:04:04 am
Post by: smjjames on January 15, 2018, 11:23:03 am
Getting tired of offensive 4chan memes. The sick, stupid cackling of the people that present them to me is starting to grind my gears something fierce. It's like, stand for something or just please shut the fuck up. This "le enfant provocateur" shit was old in 2014.
I think everybody would be tired of those, given what 4chan is.
Post by: SalmonGod on January 15, 2018, 06:36:11 pm
There's a certain age group that likes to parrot the meme of the hour. It bothers me, too.
That's not even what bothers me. Its calling things memes that haven't even done anything memetic. Like someone making a picture with a caption and calling it a meme when showing it to other people for the very first time. Its one of one those cases where mainstream culture decides something is cute and grinds it into meaningless buzzword dust to sprinkle on their sitcom cakes.
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 15, 2018, 09:14:11 pm
Worse still is how forced and inorganic they are. You find that no longer is a joke turned into a meme, but instead have people arbitrarily declare "this is a meme now" and turn jokes into rules, utterly killing the soul and comedy of the bants
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on January 15, 2018, 09:20:40 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 15, 2018, 09:51:05 pm
Post by: Eschar on February 18, 2018, 03:35:26 pm
Chronological snobbery.
Straw man.
Post by: kaenneth on March 24, 2019, 03:44:24 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on March 24, 2019, 07:54:35 pm
Oh, and if I see one more video thumbnail with a featureless cartoon avatar pointing at some totally unremarkable thing from the 90's and saying HUHHHH!? WHAAAAA? WHADJUAFUHHHH@?!??@? I am going to into YouTube's central servers with a crowbar and probably never coming out. Doubly so if, instead of a cartoon avatar, it's some mid-20s nobody with a douchey beard facepalming at some random game that was recently announced/released.
Post by: kaenneth on August 06, 2020, 07:51:03 pm
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Post by: scriver on August 07, 2020, 08:28:29 am
Yeah, that
Or when you've exhausted a topic and moved on and then some guy thinks he has something to add but he doesn't
That too
Or the build up of negative energy, which is like literally entropy and the antithesis of life and existence, in the material plane and how it literally leeches life energy away
Especially that
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 07, 2020, 08:55:47 pm
Do you know that feeling when you have an argument, and then you move on, and then somebody brings it up again several days later when the argument is dead and buriedI doubt this is literal, plus I’m not sure what you mean by “negative energy”
Yeah, that
Or when you've exhausted a topic and moved on and then some guy thinks he has something to add but he doesn't
That too
Or the build up of negative energy, which is like literally entropy and the antithesis of life and existence, in the material plane and how it literally leeches life energy away
Especially that
As for Internet things that annoy me, I can’t think of any at the moment
Post by: George_Chickens on August 08, 2020, 04:04:07 am
Inevitably, these places are the most hateful and spiteful things I've seen online, because the rules effectively prevent people from excluding toxic users, harmful attention seekers and just general twats. They build up until normal users are fed up and leave, and you're just left with a bunch of weridos echoing their own severely deranged opinions back to themselves.
It was all perfectly tolerable, but I've seen people with this attitude leaking into some of the communities I visit, causing much derailment. I guess you can say I hate the habit of echo chambering.
Post by: scriver on August 08, 2020, 08:12:12 am
Do you know that feeling when you have an argument, and then you move on, and then somebody brings it up again several days later when the argument is dead and buriedI doubt this is literal, plus I’m not sure what you mean by “negative energy”
Yeah, that
Or when you've exhausted a topic and moved on and then some guy thinks he has something to add but he doesn't
That too
Or the build up of negative energy, which is like literally entropy and the antithesis of life and existence, in the material plane and how it literally leeches life energy away
Especially that
As for Internet things that annoy me, I can’t think of any at the moment
It's a reference to D&D metaphysics (now outdated since the 4th edition) where "Negative Energy" from the "Negative Energy Plane" was what fueled undead creations and such.
Post by: Reelya on August 08, 2020, 10:58:32 am
I am sick to death of people who think they're game design experts or know "the industry" inside-and-out because they watched Sequelitis once. It's like those people who think they're some sort of political operator with the inside scoop because they glanced at the front cover of National Enquirer while checking out at Wal-Mart.
I was wondering whether I count as one of those wannabe experts, but then I remembered that I have a bachelor's degree in game development. :P (from here (https://sae.edu.au/courses/games/bachelor-of-games-development/) btw) (as well as a general degree in comp. sci from years ago). So while I don't claim know the game industry inside out, or claim to be a game expert design, I'm kinda thinking I have a few ideas about how things work, at least more than someone who watched a TV show about it once. Why am I not working in the field however? Shitty wages, poor job security, long hours, bad workplace culture.
Post by: Starver on August 08, 2020, 06:08:52 pm
(as well as a general degree in comp. sci from years ago).Ha! You got a degree in comp.sci, but I got one in rec.humor.funny
Who's laughing now!?!
(Ok, you probably are, because the closest to what I said may be usenet://sci.comp-aided but I don't stick to your rules, and it's not a .m so you can't tell me what to do!)
Post by: kaenneth on August 12, 2022, 08:47:44 pm
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Post by: Ziusudra on August 13, 2022, 12:00:15 am
Linux users that don't use their distro's package manager and then blame their own dependency issues on upstream.
Post by: scriver on August 13, 2022, 09:28:38 am
Linux users
Post by: Magmacube_tr on August 13, 2022, 10:37:35 am
Post by: hector13 on August 13, 2022, 10:46:25 am
Echo chambers. Like, can ya'll just, not?Totally agree man
Totally agree man
Totally agree man