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Wait for the next release. I want usable mugs damn it!

55 (71.4%)

We can use the current one. I like the big trees and slightly smarter dorfs.

17 (22.1%)

I'll take .34.11 thanks. I want to know I'll get to kill things for sure.

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Total Members Voted: 77

[Starweaver396]

...a limbless, headless, bloodless and mutilated dwarf torso that is nevertheless kept alive through benevolent faerie magicks. He is blind, helpless, and in excruciating pain, and yet does not die...
E: I should point out that this is all because of Starweaver giving me inspiration   Aren't you happy with yourself, Starweaver?

Sig'd. There is your answer. Also, are you using FIT_FOR_ANIMATION or FIT_FOR_RESURRECTION.

Also, I'm moving my observations here, cause I think they got lost...

E: Just found my notes on the SB 2 mod...

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First, "mutating them into a twisted mockery of [PRO_POS] kind" in the interaction_spawn file. Instead of "its", you get "his" or "her." Purely silly.

Then, spawn sickness seems to make them turn before they get the actual fever.

Also, the mutations... so... many...  Well done.

After seeing the mutations, I was disappointed to see nothing interesting in the civ files for positions. Splint seems to be working on that for the dwarves though, so maybe later.

Lastly, the elves. All three types. I suppose putting ITEM_THIEF in the elves serves to make one more enemy(we have plenty of allies) but at least change    [ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_REPRIMAND] into something that makes more sense. {Also, the elf burglars don't have weapons!}
Ferric elves are interesting, but how exactly do they make metal things? I can't find [METAL_PREF] in their civ or the special reactions they use. I have yet to face them on the field though, so I don't know if they work despite this.
And the dwelves... no... TIMEWAR! Parasol and ballpoint, they both have human-dwarf members, but no elves. Did I miss something?

Since then, I embarked on a savage biome. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Everything died. Small animals bled to death(crundles, a pit gorlak, eagles, wolverines...) and large ones went insane(LIKES_FIGHTING I presume) attacking my dwarves. The mutations also might override my custom curses. So no wizards or resurrecting priests.

[Mr Frog]

@Starweaver:

I'm currently using FIT_FOR_RESURRECTION. I did naïvely use FIT_FOR_ANIMATION at first, resulting in the headsplosion, but I twigged onto the problem and fixed it. Good guess, though.

Then, spawn sickness seems to make them turn before they get the actual fever.

I'm pretty sure you're just misunderstanding how the tags work, unless Splint changed something. I tested the hell out of that shit.

large ones went insane(LIKES_FIGHTING I presume)

That would be the CRAZED tag, I think. LIKES_FIGHTING just makes them less likely to back down from a fight.

[Lolfail0009]

A little off topic, but it looks like the Scythod may end up being our best trade partners; what you ask for is exactly what you get

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[Cynm]

What about adding small tough creatures to use as target practice? I'm thinking something like a slime that you can't kill with blunt weapons and that attacks indiscriminately. Then we have something to train on. In order to make it a double edged sword we could have them excrete some nasty syndrome(I'm thinking nausea and severe bruising) when killed, so you have to be careful not to kill them.

[Splint]

Slime would come apart against a solid boot, so something akin to a more numerous and grumpy flesh ball would be better.

[Starweaver396]

I'm pretty sure you're just misunderstanding how the tags work, unless Splint changed something. I tested the hell out of that shit.
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That would be the CRAZED tag, I think. LIKES_FIGHTING just makes them less likely to back down from a fight.

Entirely possible that I misunderstood how tags work, but if I did, then the interaction is saying they get fever(after three months?), peak a month later, then drop the fever after another month.
[CE_FEVER:SEV:100:START:100000:PEAK:20960:END:20960]
To me, it seems there should be an extra 1 on both peak and end. Repeat, entirely possible I'm wrong.
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As to the insane animals, they were only attacking my dwarves. I'm apparently terrible at being specific.
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Slime would come apart against a solid boot, so something akin to a more numerous and grumpy flesh ball would be better.

*Starweaver has claimed a workshop!*

[Aseaheru]

I wonder is he means a giant sponge...

[Starweaver396]

I wonder is he means a giant sponge...

Effectively. I copied their RAWs and added some stuff. Unfortu-neat-ely, my tribbles are invulnerable. They can neither kill, nor be killed. I got a dwarf with nothing but a short sword from no skill to legendary. Then he passed out after months of fighting, and succumbed to an infection in his finger nail(the only part the tribbles could damage.) Is this success or failure?

[Splint]

I wonder is he means a giant sponge...

Effectively. I copied their RAWs and added some stuff. Unfortu-neat-ely, my tribbles are invulnerable. They can neither kill, nor be killed. I got a dwarf with nothing but a short sword from no skill to legendary. Then he passed out after months of fighting, and succumbed to an infection in his finger nail(the only part the tribbles could damage.) Is this success or failure?

About 50-50 in my book. Mostly because of death by broken nail.

[Starweaver396]

About 50-50 in my book. Mostly because of death by broken nail.

I just added an attack, to see if I could lower their power... No. They only became stronger. They can keep their default push attack. I need to give them bleed-out deaths though...

[Mr Frog]

Entirely possible that I misunderstood how tags work, but if I did, then the interaction is saying they get fever(after three months?), peak a month later, then drop the fever after another month.
[CE_FEVER:SEV:100:START:100000:PEAK:20960:END:20960]
To me, it seems there should be an extra 1 on both peak and end. Repeat, entirely possible I'm wrong.

Yes, the tags work more-or-less as you state in the crossed-out section. It took me a bit to twig onto that as well; during arena testing I was baffled as to why they weren't getting fevers until I realised my mistake.

As to the insane animals, they were only attacking my dwarves. I'm apparently terrible at being specific.

Yep, that's almost certainly LIKES_FIGHTING. Sorry. 'Insane' was a misleading choice of words.

RE: Training dummies: perhaps we could add in an interaction that temporarily raises nearby corpses and renders them helpless, allowing soldiers to beat on them.

[Starweaver396]

RE: Training dummies: perhaps we could add in an interaction that temporarily raises nearby corpses and renders them helpless, allowing soldiers to beat on them.

Interesting thought... though you would have to keep your weirdo necromancer away from the frontlines.

Also, the blood of 38 tribbles proves that they can be killed if you give them hearts. Though there is apparently NEVER a time when you should send unarmored dwarves outside. Fingernails are still weak points.

creature

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[CREATURE:TRIBBLE]
   [DESCRIPTION:A large ball of flesh covered in fur. It is unknown how they survive.]
   [NAME:tribble:tribbles:tribble]
   [CASTE_NAME:tribble:tribbles:tribble]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'o'][COLOR:6:0:0]
   [PETVALUE:10]
   [FREQUENCY:100]
   [NOBONES][NATURAL]
   [BIOME:ANY_LAND]
   [NO_EAT]
   [NO_DRINK]
   [NOTHOUGHT]
   [NO_THOUGHT_CENTER_FOR_MOVEMENT]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:900] to stop floundering
   [EXTRAVISION]
   [MUNDANE]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:250:500]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:4]
   [PREFSTRING:cute trills]
   [BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY:HEART]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SKIN:SKIN_TEMPLATE]
   [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SKIN:SKIN_TEMPLATE]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:HEART:HEART_TEMPLATE]
   [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:HEART:HEART_TEMPLATE]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:HAIR:HAIR_TEMPLATE]
   [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:HAIR:HAIR_TEMPLATE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:TRIBBLE_LAYERS:SKIN:HAIR]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
      [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:50000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [MAXAGE:20:200]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [NO_SLEEP]
   [NO_DIZZINESS]
   [CHILD:1]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
      [LITTERSIZE:5:50]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
   [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
      [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PALE_PINK:1:GRAY:1]
         [TLCM_NOUN:body:SINGULAR]
   [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:HAIR]
      [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:SPOTS_TAN_BLACK:10:SPOTS_BROWN_BLACK:10:STRIPES_RAINBOW:1:STRIPES_BROWN_BLACK:10:MOTTLED_BROWN_BLACK:10:MOTTLED_GRAY_BROWN:10:MOTTLED_TAN_DARK_BROWN:10:BLACK:10:BUFF:10:CHESTNUT:10]
         [TLCM_NOUN:fur:SINGULAR]
      [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:fur:SINGULAR]
         [APP_MOD_RATE:1:DAILY:0:300:0:0:NO_END]
         [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:10:50:100:150:200:300]
      [SHEARABLE_TISSUE_LAYER:LENGTH:300]

other

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[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:TRIBBLE_LAYERS]
   [BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:BODY:ARG2:40:ARG1:10]
   [BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:HEART:100]

I've only tested them in the arena, but I'm a little annoyed so... Here!

[Lolfail0009]

You have no clue how badly I want a pet tribble now.

[Starweaver396]

You have no clue how badly I want a pet tribble now.

lol. Just lol.
Add [PET]
   [ADOPTS_OWNER]
and change pet value to something like 20-25. And maybe [COMMON_DOMESTIC] to make them yours. They are harmless, though so don't expect much.

[Splint]

You have no clue how badly I want a pet tribble now.

lol. Just lol.
Add [PET]
   [ADOPTS_OWNER]
and change pet value to something like 20-25. And maybe [COMMON_DOMESTIC] to make them yours. They are harmless, though so don't expect much.

Our enemies will have to wade through a carpet of pushy doom before they may face our warriors.