Post by: MrWillsauce on July 30, 2012, 07:34:17 pm
Post by: LordExumius on July 30, 2012, 07:36:16 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on July 30, 2012, 07:36:54 pm
Post by: Yoink on July 30, 2012, 07:37:00 pm
On-topic:
Didn't we have a thread like this, already?
Post by: MrWillsauce on July 30, 2012, 07:38:17 pm
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Didn't we have a thread like this, already?If we do I couldn't easily find it. Besides, redundancy is fun!
Post by: MrWillsauce on July 30, 2012, 07:39:26 pm
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If we're descended from monkeys, WHY ARE THERE STILL MONKEYS? Take that, mister sciency man!
If Thor didn't defeat all of the ice giants, then who did? Take that atheists!
Post by: Tellemurius on July 30, 2012, 07:43:02 pm
"Is this cow?"
Post by: LordExumius on July 30, 2012, 07:44:47 pm
I could go on.
Post by: Bohandas on July 30, 2012, 07:50:45 pm
EDIT: He also denied the heinousness of SOPA and PIPA
Post by: Cthulhu on July 30, 2012, 07:53:12 pm
"Einstein's Unified Theory says that mass and energy are light. Light can lift very heavy objects. This is how UFO anti-gravity devices work, and how coral castle was built" Paraphrased from a complete fucking lunatic on the only radio show worth watching (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 30, 2012, 07:56:35 pm
"China doesn't have farmers, it's all city, haven't you ever seen pictures of Tokyo?!"
(Completely out of the blue)"...Wait, why did we kill Osama Bin Laden?"
(Shocked)"B-but you have to believe in Jesus." (A few seconds later) "But you have to believe in Jesus." (A few seconds later) "But you have to believe in Jesus." (This went on for a few minutes, broken record style.)
"The Sun is alive, right?"
"Black Holes don't exist, they're shades our alien ancestors put up to hide themselves from us."
Post by: Putnam on July 30, 2012, 07:57:54 pm
My dad is a republican and vocally supports their ideas regarding our healthcare system and how we shouldn't have one.
None of this shit, that's asking for a derail.
Post by: MrWillsauce on July 30, 2012, 07:58:53 pm
Post by: Yoink on July 30, 2012, 08:00:14 pm
"Stop being ignorant!"
"Wait, what?"
"You're ignoring me!"
Post by: LordExumius on July 30, 2012, 08:01:18 pm
Welp.
Post by: Putnam on July 30, 2012, 08:02:49 pm
Post by: LordExumius on July 30, 2012, 08:08:04 pm
I actually don't think the bible itself says that the bible is real >_>
Mostly because "The Bible" didn't exist then.
I suppose I really meant "The events in the Bible", unless they weren't calling themselves real either.
In that case, someone should really put "The events in this book are entirely fictitious", to stop people from getting ideas.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 30, 2012, 08:28:58 pm
Post by: LordBucket on July 30, 2012, 11:42:06 pm
Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
"Are these dishes clean?"
Generally yelled from the kitchen, to me in an entirely different room...by somebody standing with the dishwasher open and looking inside.
Post by: Sirus on July 30, 2012, 11:46:30 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on July 30, 2012, 11:51:42 pm
Do I win? (http://www.fstdt.com)The examples or the people commenting on them?
Or both?
Post by: Sirus on July 30, 2012, 11:53:34 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 30, 2012, 11:55:41 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 31, 2012, 12:04:03 am
But then wouldn't something like crysis be better?
SHUDDUP SHUDDUP SHUDDUP IT'S THE BEST
:D :D :D
Post by: Sirus on July 31, 2012, 12:14:14 am
FSTDT has become an Internet Black Hole. There is no way to distinguish the trolls from the genuine, in or out of the examples. The same thing applies to Conservapedia.Not quite true. Quotes from well-known political or religious figures, for example, are unlikely to be trolls. But yeah, lots of trolling and fakes there.
Post by: darkrider2 on July 31, 2012, 12:17:52 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 31, 2012, 01:10:11 am
Post by: Hanslanda on July 31, 2012, 01:19:03 am
So I was browsing FSTDT, and I found...this. (http://thefemitheist.blogspot.nl/) Let the crazy wash over you.
...wut.
Also:
"I wanted paper bags so we could save trees! I was only thinking of the environment."
... Paper bags to save trees.
Paper. Saves. Trees.
I literally just lost four points from my IQ typing that.
Post by: Bdthemag on July 31, 2012, 01:19:56 am
A kid tried to equate me playing DF to me being a homosexual (I'm not).Be happy that an average kid would even know what it is.
Post by: Corai on July 31, 2012, 01:22:25 am
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This... this is... I don't have anything to say about this.
Post by: Sirus on July 31, 2012, 01:23:49 am
...could the person have meant recycled paper? Or was planning to recycle the bags?So I was browsing FSTDT, and I found...this. (http://thefemitheist.blogspot.nl/) Let the crazy wash over you.
...wut.
Also:
"I wanted paper bags so we could save trees! I was only thinking of the environment."
... Paper bags to save trees.
Paper. Saves. Trees.
I literally just lost four points from my IQ typing that.
Even if recycling isn't 100% effective, it's the little things that add up.
Oh crap, I'm gonna be quoted here, aren't I? =(
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 31, 2012, 01:26:48 am
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This... this is... I don't have anything to say about this.
Isn't that from the femithiest blog who proposed national castration day?
So I was browsing FSTDT, and I found...this. (http://thefemitheist.blogspot.nl/) Let the crazy wash over you.*Sigh*
I'm haunted by the femithiest blog again. The funny thing is now she's arguing with Caiden Cowger. I don't know who to root for. Satan probably.
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Post by: Hanslanda on July 31, 2012, 01:27:25 am
...could the person have meant recycled paper? Or was planning to recycle the bags?So I was browsing FSTDT, and I found...this. (http://thefemitheist.blogspot.nl/) Let the crazy wash over you.
...wut.
Also:
"I wanted paper bags so we could save trees! I was only thinking of the environment."
... Paper bags to save trees.
Paper. Saves. Trees.
I literally just lost four points from my IQ typing that.
Even if recycling isn't 100% effective, it's the little things that add up.
Oh crap, I'm gonna be quoted here, aren't I? =(
No, they wanted paper because, and I quote again, "Plastic bags are bad for the environment."
The biodegradeable plastic bags.
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 31, 2012, 01:39:45 am
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I do not represent, nor am I affiliated with in any way, Mainstream Feminism or RadFem HUB. Ergo, my actions, ideologies, and activities here and everywhere else should not reflect negatively on Mainstream Feminists in any way, shape or form.
I'm pretty sure this is proof of troll.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 31, 2012, 01:41:43 am
Not so, she seems to hate Mainstream Feminists. She says that it makes women equal to men when she says women are actually superior because....I don't know why, but that's her brand of crazy.QuoteI do not represent, nor am I affiliated with in any way, Mainstream Feminism or RadFem HUB. Ergo, my actions, ideologies, and activities here and everywhere else should not reflect negatively on Mainstream Feminists in any way, shape or form.
I'm pretty sure this is proof of troll.
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 31, 2012, 01:43:50 am
Post by: Sirus on July 31, 2012, 01:45:42 am
Actually, she is kinda a troll. She gathered a whole bunch of hate, posted a "farewell" message where she claimed that she wanted to turn her life around, rumors flew that she committed suicide, and then the farewell post was deleted and she was back to old tricks. Either an attention-whore troll, or loony.Not so, she seems to hate Mainstream Feminists. She says that it makes women equal to men when she says women are actually superior because....I don't know why, but that's her brand of crazy.QuoteI do not represent, nor am I affiliated with in any way, Mainstream Feminism or RadFem HUB. Ergo, my actions, ideologies, and activities here and everywhere else should not reflect negatively on Mainstream Feminists in any way, shape or form.
I'm pretty sure this is proof of troll.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 31, 2012, 01:46:16 am
Either an attention-whore troll, or loony.Or all of the above.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 31, 2012, 09:16:53 am
They're fun to argue with though. All their arguments are just foo supremacist mad libs, so it's easy to argue the exact opposite and be just as persuasive (Which is to say, not that persuasive at all, but you get the idea). With the right technology either sex could turn the other into a sterile, subjugated underclass, but either way will never happen because this isn't Gor.
Post by: Dutchling on July 31, 2012, 09:30:26 am
Anyway,
classmate: 'Wait, does the Earth orbit the sun or the moon?'
He said that weeks before he graduated and mere months before going to a uni. ::)
Post by: MonkeyHead on July 31, 2012, 09:40:39 am
Post by: Cthulhu on July 31, 2012, 09:43:31 am
Feminism is indeed pretty funny. Especially the more extreme versions :P.
Anyway,
classmate: 'Wait, does the Earth orbit the sun or the moon?'
He said that weeks before he graduated and mere months before going to a uni. ::)
Feminism's good. I don't consider that other thing feminism, it's just a weird form of chauvinism, a self-serving rationalization for spinning one's sexual preferences into a worldview. If she's calling herself God shouldn't she be the femithea instead of femitheist?
Post by: Yoink on July 31, 2012, 09:58:32 am
They grow beer? I never knew you could grow a liquid.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on July 31, 2012, 05:03:26 pm
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WUT
:'(
Post by: Sirus on July 31, 2012, 05:05:52 pm
Ah, RSTDT!They should really put a warning on that section. Even IF most of them are trolls, they are the nasty-not-at-all-amusing kind. If they are NOT trolls...well, that just makes it worse.
-snip-
:'(
Post by: Megaman on July 31, 2012, 05:06:20 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on July 31, 2012, 05:06:37 pm
Ah, RSTDT!I found this more funny than offensive, honestly.wutSpoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
WUT
:'(
Post by: FearfulJesuit on July 31, 2012, 05:07:43 pm
Post by: Megaman on July 31, 2012, 05:09:30 pm
Post by: Megaman on July 31, 2012, 05:25:49 pm
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I do not want to manufacture rage within the MRA/Mainstream Feminist circles. They are irrelevant to me. I am in search of allies for creating a New World, free of crime, violence and misogynistic indoctrination.
What
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The truth of my movement is to build a legacy which involves freeing the minds of women, and even men, who have been indoctrinated by the Lies of the Patriarchy.
There is no greater satisfaction than knowing that those who have opposed the realities of True Equality will one day be purged from the face of the Earth.
No one will hide. No one will escape. There will be no freedom if there is not True Freedom.
For Christ sakes woman, It's 2012
Post by: Svarte Troner on July 31, 2012, 05:33:32 pm
"What's a Ukraine anyway?"
:'(
"Is Canada above us?"
Post by: pisskop on July 31, 2012, 05:34:23 pm
Dummy.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on July 31, 2012, 05:45:45 pm
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Bring back the poll tax and literacy test. . .heck, I’d be happy if they just limited voting to US citizens.
Am...am I missing something here?
Post by: Sirus on July 31, 2012, 05:47:15 pm
The wit and wisdom of a random Freeper:Cause you know, dem librul demoncrats import illegal immigrants so that they'll vote 0bama, duhQuoteBring back the poll tax and literacy test. . .heck, I’d be happy if they just limited voting to US citizens.
Am...am I missing something here?
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Post by: pisskop on July 31, 2012, 05:49:18 pm
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Post by: Xantalos on July 31, 2012, 05:54:33 pm
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Post by: Megaman on July 31, 2012, 05:57:14 pm
And this forum being the leftist place it is, that "enemy" is generally conservatives.Exactly!
Of course, there are plenty of moderates that see BOTH sides as drooling, retarded failures of evolution.
Post by: Sirus on July 31, 2012, 05:57:51 pm
Well if you ask my opinion, while I respect Obama's authoritarian beliefs and regulations, I dislike how much money it is taking. There is no long-term sustanibility to it... or is there?We have an American Election thread in this forum if you want to discuss it. Should still be on the first page :)
Post by: Hanslanda on July 31, 2012, 06:10:45 pm
And this forum being the leftist place it is, that "enemy" is generally conservatives.
Liberal Crime Squad, ASSEMBLE! :P
Post by: Slayerhero90 on July 31, 2012, 06:15:47 pm
Well if you ask my opinion, while I respect Obama's authoritarian beliefs and regulations, I dislike how much money it is taking. There is no long-term sustanibility to it... or is there?
GRAADAVARSAAAAAA!!!
It is CONGRESS that does most of the spending! All that the president REALLY gets to do is start and end wars. He gets to veto things as well. Congress needs to be wiped clean, though.
Post by: Pnx on July 31, 2012, 06:34:27 pm
A girl in my school: Where are you from?
Me: Britain.
Girl: Oh, well your English is very good.
Me: ... *walks away*
Post by: Yoink on July 31, 2012, 06:49:11 pm
Post by: Sirus on July 31, 2012, 06:57:59 pm
I posted this in one of the other times we talked about this subject.To be fair, that sounds like the sort of joke I would make, so... :-[
A girl in my school: Where are you from?
Me: Britain.
Girl: Oh, well your English is very good.
Me: ... *walks away*
Post by: Shook on July 31, 2012, 07:00:39 pm
Also, i myself was once caught saying something along the lines of the following in relation to rum-n-coke's anti-septic qualities:
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The bacteria that can't take the alcohol get killed by the acidity!dammit tongue stop betraying me
Other than that, i've happily forgotten most of the rampant stupidity i was subjected to during elementary school.
Post by: Pnx on July 31, 2012, 07:02:18 pm
Waait... Was this school in Britain...? Because good gods that is SCARY.No, I live in Ohio, I just happen to be British.
She really wasn't kidding. I know because...I posted this in one of the other times we talked about this subject.To be fair, that sounds like the sort of joke I would make, so... :-[
A girl in my school: Where are you from?
Me: Britain.
Girl: Oh, well your English is very good.
Me: ... *walks away*
you could have at least mentioned to her that in Britain, they speak English. hell, England is IN Britain!Her friend explained it to her as I was walking away, she was rather embarrassed, I don't think we ever spoke again.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on July 31, 2012, 07:11:08 pm
Post by: UltraValican on July 31, 2012, 07:22:44 pm
Quote from: Shit I heard from some kid in highschool
Why do we even have to learn about China, there just going to take us over. I hate it when Mr.X talks about X its so boring, why do we have to learn about history? ETC,ETC
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People talking about when the cut class, out loud, for everyone to hear.
Jesus Christ, what the actually fuck is wrong with my generation. I don't want to come off as "everyone around me is such an idiot" sort of douche but YEEESH.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on July 31, 2012, 07:25:27 pm
Waait... Was this school in Britain...? Because good gods that is SCARY.No, I live in Ohio, I just happen to be British.She really wasn't kidding. I know because...I posted this in one of the other times we talked about this subject.To be fair, that sounds like the sort of joke I would make, so... :-[
A girl in my school: Where are you from?
Me: Britain.
Girl: Oh, well your English is very good.
Me: ... *walks away*you could have at least mentioned to her that in Britain, they speak English. hell, England is IN Britain!Her friend explained it to her as I was walking away, she was rather embarrassed, I don't think we ever spoke again.
At least she learned from the experience.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 31, 2012, 08:15:59 pm
There's nothing wrong with conservatives, to my mind. There is a real distinction between conservatism and the unholy alliance of half-baked theology and crony capitalism that is American conservatism, and the former I respect, while the latter needs to wither off the political stage.
Plenty of aspects of American conservatism are legitimate viewpoints when held by someone who isn't a hillbilly being told what to think. You're thinking specifically of today's Republican party, a bizarre conglomeration of three inherently contradictory conservative viewpoints, which is why you get shit like "Keep the government out of my business except when it's legislating what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes" and "Keep the government small, except the impossibly huge military budget!"
EDIT: Oh, contributions
"Keep the government out of my medicare"
"wheres the birth certifciet where obama where"
"Dirty Consoles are ugly and last like Fords. PC's are all cute and pretty and crash and burn like Toyotas."
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on July 31, 2012, 11:52:06 pm
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"Eggs, are a wonderfull invention. I wonder how the factory gets it in the shell without a mess and closes it up so good."
Urban raised Noobhead who is an embarrsment to the country. Also on about china making counterfit eggs and thats why they break so easy in box befor you get them home. Nope thats not packing right and el cheapo food in the farms and some bad genetics. how chickens lay and crap out the same hole made for a WTF face on him and accusations of me lying, so i made him search it on his phone. Google source of a lot of info
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 31, 2012, 11:56:39 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 01, 2012, 12:17:58 am
you could have at least mentioned to her that in Britain, they speak English. hell, England is IN Britain!Or you could mention who invented the language.
Post by: Eidolon on August 01, 2012, 12:28:10 am
"I have
- years of experience doing [y], so you should take my word on how to do [basically anything]."
I don't give a shit how old you are, you still need logic and evidence to support what you are saying.
Post by: Tabbyman on August 01, 2012, 01:42:11 am
"Why is space dark if the Sun's up there?"
Haha that almost has a kind of dumb logic to it. It's tempting to think of an answer. Sounds like something a philosophy class might discuss (in my stereotypical imagination).
Post by: Remalle on August 01, 2012, 01:50:52 am
Still, posting to get this on my unread replies list.
Post by: Corai on August 01, 2012, 02:18:19 am
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This guy needs to die in a hole. I would sign up for the muslim genocide just so I can kill this guy with my own hands.
And proceed to walk home, take a shower, eat dinner and regret being so rash about it. Then realize that murder was okay in his books, so I didn't actually murder him! <--- his logic
Okay guys, now quote everything I just said and tell me how stupid I am. I feel like just copy-pasting that dropped my IQ by a few dozen.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 01, 2012, 02:21:12 am
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Okay guys, now quote everything I just said and tell me how stupid I am.Okay.
Vindication doesn't justify murder. So no matter how ironic it might be, killing him isn't proving anything but how becoming a monster to fight monsters is a vicious and stupid cycle.
Done :P
Post by: LordExumius on August 01, 2012, 02:38:50 am
But if you ask me, these people aren't even worth killing.
Post by: Svarte Troner on August 01, 2012, 02:45:14 am
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Here's another one:
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Racist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racist) Ya stupid NOT-ZEE...
And I haven't even gotten into the whole "YOU ANTI-WHITE JOO!" bullshit cop-out they all use for damn near every "argument" on the entire fucking site.. I just wish it was easier to find more outspoken racists in public to humiliate.
edit: btw, David Duke and Tom Metzger were (are?) in the KKK... Duke was the grand wizard for fucks sake. Seriously, this guy is that kid's role model? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_duke)
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 01, 2012, 07:32:23 am
Haha that almost has a kind of dumb logic to it. It's tempting to think of an answer. Sounds like something a philosophy class might discuss (in my stereotypical imagination).
It looks dark because there's nothing up there for the light to reflect off of. If you went to space, then you would see light reflected off of you in the direction that the sun was shining. That's why there is daytime on planets and moons, but space seems dark. By the way I'm not explaining this to you, so don't think that I think you're stupid, I'm just posting an answer to the question.
Post by: RedKing on August 01, 2012, 08:29:40 am
That said, one of the recurrent ones that makes me want to pull a Lewis Black-style rant every time I hear it is some variant of this:
"I don't understand how it could be broken. It was working fine yesterday!"
NO FUCKING SHIT. That's kind of the definition of broken: i.e. it used to work, and now it doesn't. Welcome to the principle of entropy, bitches!
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 01, 2012, 08:32:47 am
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I've worked 15 years in technical support. I've forgotten more stupid questions/comments than most of you could ever dream of.You should have written those down.
Post by: RedKing on August 01, 2012, 09:34:14 am
That would have resulted in a sanity-draining tome like something out of Lovecraft. Here, try this on for a smattering of the sorts of things we're exposed to (and you understand why the average turnover for a new tech support hire is about 6 months):QuoteI've worked 15 years in technical support. I've forgotten more stupid questions/comments than most of you could ever dream of.You should have written those down.
http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html (http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html)
Post by: Cthulhu on August 01, 2012, 09:40:47 am
A complaint about how much oil there is in the US that we aren't drilling, for the sake of those damn pristine forests, followed by a friend pointing out that Jesus is coming back soon so we won't have to worry.
Some ridiculous survivalist bullshit about stocking up on ammo.
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I have a million of these. For some reason I like the people I hate more than the people I like.
Post by: RedKing on August 01, 2012, 10:10:22 am
A complaint about how much oil there is in the US that we aren't drilling, for the sake of those damn pristine forests, followed by a friend pointing out that Jesus is coming back soon so we won't have to worry.
I have a friend with fundamentalist parents. They're morally opposed to recycling on similar theological grounds: that the Earth was made to be used up by humans, and that Jesus will return and wipe it all out when the environment is exhausted.
WWJD? Apparently He'd leave the water running and all the lights on. >_<
Post by: toomanysecrets on August 01, 2012, 10:33:04 am
So I was browsing FSTDT, and I found...this. (http://thefemitheist.blogspot.nl/) Let the crazy wash over you.
Hahahahaha the first thing I saw on here was "I am repulsed by the though of being 'barefoot, pregnant, in the kitchen.'"
My first thought is, "What if you're pregnant, you don't feel like putting your socks and shoes on and you're hungry for some lunch?" This lady is doomed.
Post by: RedKing on August 01, 2012, 10:35:25 am
I speak from experience. My wife had some odd cravings, yo.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 01, 2012, 10:36:26 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 01, 2012, 10:40:19 am
Feminism: trying to reach gender equality by focusing on ONE genderEh, some places that kind of crazy stupid is actually needed. Then... There are those who take concepts too far.
Post by: Frumple on August 01, 2012, 10:46:28 am
There are those that hold that whole "focus strictly on one gender" thing, though. They're not representative of the meat, so to speak of the movement.
Post by: Mageziya on August 01, 2012, 11:17:36 am
Here is a site dedicated to the stories of stupid, irrational, and/or sometimes funny customers. Sometimes there are nice customer stories, but most of the time it's the previously mentioned. Also there is random button if you don't feel like scrolling through a list.
Post by: Karlito on August 01, 2012, 11:28:39 am
I've worked 15 years in technical support. I've forgotten more stupid questions/comments than most of you could ever dream of.Isn't there in fact a Lewis Black rant on that very topic?
That said, one of the recurrent ones that makes me want to pull a Lewis Black-style rant every time I hear it is some variant of this:
"I don't understand how it could be broken. It was working fine yesterday!"
NO FUCKING SHIT. That's kind of the definition of broken: i.e. it used to work, and now it doesn't. Welcome to the principle of entropy, bitches!
Post by: MaximumZero on August 01, 2012, 11:38:45 am
No, that's called "barefoot, pregnant, and ordering your husband to go get you some Captain Crunch cereal RIGHT NOW".Bring some baby carrots, cherry tomatoes and ranch dressing, too.
I speak from experience. My wife had some odd cravings, yo.
Post by: miauw62 on August 01, 2012, 11:50:48 am
Post by: fqllve on August 01, 2012, 11:52:40 am
I've worked 15 years in technical support. I've forgotten more stupid questions/comments than most of you could ever dream of.I've been doing network support for less than six months and I've already had a woman call and ask me how to turn off her refrigerator.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 01, 2012, 11:57:25 am
The "found my love because he did a martial-arts kick on a dick customer" one is already my favorite.I felt sorry for the guy's brain cells though. Way to kick a neglected dog down :P
Post by: RedKing on August 01, 2012, 12:57:43 pm
Is there??? Dear sweet and fluffy Lord, please provide links if such exist. I need to get a recording of that and just hit play when someone makes that comment.I've worked 15 years in technical support. I've forgotten more stupid questions/comments than most of you could ever dream of.Isn't there in fact a Lewis Black rant on that very topic?
That said, one of the recurrent ones that makes me want to pull a Lewis Black-style rant every time I hear it is some variant of this:
"I don't understand how it could be broken. It was working fine yesterday!"
NO FUCKING SHIT. That's kind of the definition of broken: i.e. it used to work, and now it doesn't. Welcome to the principle of entropy, bitches!
Post by: Mephansteras on August 01, 2012, 01:27:32 pm
In any case posting here so it'll show up in my unread replies list.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 01, 2012, 02:11:00 pm
Here's much more. (http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/) It's kinda old, but it will completely eradicate any remaining sanity of yours.http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html (http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html)ARGH! MY SANITY!
Post by: Karlito on August 01, 2012, 03:58:51 pm
Dear sweet and fluffy Lord, please provide links if such exist. I need to get a recording of that and just hit play when someone makes that comment.
I checked through the few places where I'd likely have heard it and didn't turn up anything, so now I'm starting to doubt my own sanity a bit. It definitely seems like the kind of thing he should have said at some point.
Post by: OwlEpicurus on August 01, 2012, 05:40:45 pm
(Paraphrased, since this was a few years ago now.)
"How do you know evolution happened? Was anyone there to see it?"
"Why aren't there any fossils of humans?"
"I'm older than you and have a Master's degree; therefore, I am necessarily more rational than you."
The biggest WTF: "Science and math are false idols. [<-- his exact words] Only historical documents written by humans can be trusted."
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 01, 2012, 05:42:30 pm
My brain hurts.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 01, 2012, 05:42:54 pm
Post by: Yoink on August 01, 2012, 07:45:00 pm
I can't think of any stupid quotes right now. :-\ That's probably because I rarely leave my house. It's probably also why I rarely leave my house, but that's an altogether seperate matter. :P
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 01, 2012, 08:04:11 pm
I've worked 15 years in technical support. I've forgotten more stupid questions/comments than most of you could ever dream of.
That said, one of the recurrent ones that makes me want to pull a Lewis Black-style rant every time I hear it is some variant of this:
"I don't understand how it could be broken. It was working fine yesterday!"
NO FUCKING SHIT. That's kind of the definition of broken: i.e. it used to work, and now it doesn't. Welcome to the principle of entropy, bitches!
1:write a book make loads of money, people like to read how stupid other people are. Even if its about themselves.
2: "You moved the wire", "Dont hit it there", "That paper in the corner was important!" Yes it was, its also broken and it will be still broken even with "complicated or stupid" botch making it work. Seen it heard it, fixed it, tossed it in bin.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 01, 2012, 08:09:47 pm
Post by: Frumple on August 01, 2012, 08:15:01 pm
I believe the technical onomatopoeia for it is "Punk'd" -- with an apostrophe. S'the actual sound it makes, even.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 01, 2012, 08:16:37 pm
Possibly the most rageworthy that I've heard, "Computer people don't deserve to be paid to do computer work. I mean, it's something they enjoy, right?" Try that with your mechanic, gardener, or daycare host and see how that flies. :PThat's just depressing. Hating your job is not just expected, but necessary to deserve a paycheck? We get paid for suffering? And people are advocating it?
What kind of hellish world have we made for ourselves?
Post by: applesauce machine on August 01, 2012, 08:18:50 pm
I can't think of any stupid quotes right now. :-\ That's probably because I rarely leave my house. It's probably also why I rarely leave my house, but that's an altogether seperate matter. :PI can't think of any because I suck at remembering sometimes, but I am keeping track of this thread because I'm sure I can encounter them easily from one particular family member of mine. ...Or two. It's because of this that I rarely leave my room, rather than house. Then again, that's also a separate issue in my case.
...I planned that sentence conveying a better message in my head. Lemme try again:
Possibly the most rageworthy that I've heard, "Computer people don't deserve to be paid to do computer work. I mean, it's something they enjoy, right?" Try that with your mechanic, gardener, or daycare host and see how that flies. :PBecause computer work is super-easy and anyone can do it, even those who find zero interest in it. The only reason they don't hire kids in elementary school (when your classes on C++ and building computers is still fresh in their minds) to do it is because they're minors and can't work or... something.
Yeah, that's better.
Post by: Frumple on August 01, 2012, 08:20:54 pm
Actually, I think by that line of thought, technically, since you pay for things to enjoy -- remember, if it doesn't have a price tag it has no value and can't be enjoyable! -- you should be paying them for giving you things to fix. Consumerism, ahahaha!
E: It's a backwards sort of thing. You're not supposed to enjoy things you don't pay for, so if you're not paying for it, it can't be enjoyable. Thusly, if you're being paid for it, it can't be enjoyable -- you haven't paid. To enjoy something that has no price tag or, even worse, you get paid for is a perversion of the system!
Post by: MaximumZero on August 01, 2012, 08:26:13 pm
I'd be happy to become a vicious cycle.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 01, 2012, 08:28:11 pm
To enjoy something that has no price tag or, even worse, you get paid for is a perversion of the system!...
DOWN WITH THE SYSTEM! :P
Post by: MaximumZero on August 01, 2012, 08:41:33 pm
Apparently, I'm an expert at perverting systems.To enjoy something that has no price tag or, even worse, you get paid for is a perversion of the system!...
Post by: Toxicshadow on August 01, 2012, 08:58:31 pm
Me: "He's a plumber"
Friend's "friend": "Is your dad Mario?"
Post by: kaijyuu on August 01, 2012, 09:43:13 pm
Post by: Zangi on August 01, 2012, 09:49:38 pm
Hilarious...
Post by: applesauce machine on August 01, 2012, 11:50:34 pm
I just took too much time reading the notalwaysright and humortown links...I'm still looking through the latter. I usually avoid things that announce in their titles or descriptions just how FUNNY!!!! they are (since it's usually lolcats and really old funnyjunk-type images), but goddamn if this isn't. I'm glad to waste more of my already-being-wasted time on reading that page specifically.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 02, 2012, 12:17:07 am
comic saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaansI just took too much time reading the notalwaysright and humortown links...I'm still looking through the latter. I usually avoid things that announce in their titles or descriptions just how FUNNY!!!! they are (since it's usually lolcats and really old funnyjunk-type images), but goddamn if this isn't. I'm glad to waste more of my already-being-wasted time on reading that page specifically.
Post by: Putnam on August 02, 2012, 12:52:58 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 02, 2012, 01:13:46 am
Post by: Bdthemag on August 02, 2012, 01:20:08 am
I still don't understand the hate against Comic Sans.It looks really shitty, for one.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 02, 2012, 01:30:20 am
Then again maybe I'm unsophisticated when it comes to type faces. There's probably a whole world here. (http://xkcd.com/915/)
(I should note that I'm not being condescending by saying this, as I have nothing against sophisticated tastes in any subject whatsoever. I like people getting passionate about random things, actually. It's just that not everyone will care about everything like that.)
Post by: Sensei on August 02, 2012, 02:30:12 am
Post by: Sirus on August 02, 2012, 02:30:57 am
Look, buddy, if you haven't learned yet that some fonts are to hate, you will. Seen this one before? Yep, put it on the hate list.>likes that font :-\
Post by: Toxicshadow on August 02, 2012, 02:32:40 am
*AgreesLook, buddy, if you haven't learned yet that some fonts are to hate, you will. Seen this one before? Yep, put it on the hate list.>likes that font :-\
Post by: Sensei on August 02, 2012, 02:37:44 am
Oh, I did too, once. But once you see it, you can't stop seeing it... everywhere...*AgreesLook, buddy, if you haven't learned yet that some fonts are to hate, you will. Seen this one before? Yep, put it on the hate list.>likes that font :-\
Post by: darkrider2 on August 02, 2012, 02:54:32 am
Oh papyrus? Yeah sometimes I use that to get a free 'I like your font' on my papers.Oh, I did too, once. But once you see it, you can't stop seeing it... everywhere...*AgreesLook, buddy, if you haven't learned yet that some fonts are to hate, you will. Seen this one before? Yep, put it on the hate list.>likes that font :-\
Post by: fqllve on August 02, 2012, 02:55:52 am
I don't really get the hate for Comic Sans though. It's a little jocular for everyday use but it works really well for a nice casual logo. It really all boils down to appropriate use, to me, and I'd rather blame the idiot who decided to use it for their wedding invitations than the font itself.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 02, 2012, 03:09:27 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 02, 2012, 03:37:37 am
I think most people hate on Comic Sans because memes tell them to, not because they actually object to Comic Sans.Meh, I do it out of a where's-waldo kind of thing.
Post by: Siquo on August 02, 2012, 04:11:01 am
I think most people hate on Comic Sans because memes tell them to, not because they actually object to Comic Sans.No, it's about using it out of context. You don't use it for obituaries, resumes, or anything that is even remotely serious. It's like using smileyfaces every other word, or ALLCAPS, it conveys non-spoken information contradictory to the message. It's like shouting ecstatically "Hey buddy! Guess what? Your puppy *drumroll* DIED! :D" That inappropriate.
Post by: MonkeyHead on August 02, 2012, 04:12:48 am
CERN used comic sans in its Higgs Boson presentation. A little bit of me died inside with that choice.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 02, 2012, 04:14:01 am
Post by: fqllve on August 02, 2012, 04:37:36 am
No, it's about using it out of context. You don't use it for obituaries, resumes, or anything that is even remotely serious. It's like using smileyfaces every other word, or ALLCAPS, it conveys non-spoken information contradictory to the message. It's like shouting ecstatically "Hey buddy! Guess what? Your puppy *drumroll* DIED! :D" That inappropriate.I mean, yeah, it's a really terrible typeface for those, but that's not its fault. Just because someone plays Norwegian Wood at a wedding doesn't mean the song sucks, just that the person is an idiot.
Post by: Siquo on August 02, 2012, 04:39:25 am
My experience with comic sans haters though implies that they object to any use of the font, even on stuff like children's birthday cards.Well, here I am, a CS hater, telling you it's totally okay on birthday cards. If they are for children. Or anything else that's supposed to be comical, hence the name. The hate comes from the insane amount of people using it wrong.
Post by: RedKing on August 02, 2012, 08:02:42 am
No, no, the thought process is that, "You get paid for work. Work is not a thing you enjoy. Ergo, if you're enjoying what you're doing, it's A. Not Work. and subsequently B. Not to Receive Pay."
You know what I really hate? Having to judge lingerie models. Oh please, Br'er Fox, don't trow me in dat' Victoria's Secret judgin' box!
And if you do, I guess you'll need to pay me exorbitant sums to compensate for the mental anguish.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 02, 2012, 08:31:14 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 02, 2012, 09:46:43 am
Me: "I dunno. Maybe third party?"
Mother: "What if there ISN'T a third party?"
A mandatory political science test before being allowed to vote is sounding really good right now.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 02, 2012, 09:58:28 am
A mandatory political science test before being allowed to vote is sounding really good right now.Just remember that someone who is not you and is probably an appointed official gets to write and grade the tests, and that idea should sour pretty quickly.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 02, 2012, 10:03:46 am
:(
Post by: Cthulhu on August 02, 2012, 10:09:30 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 02, 2012, 10:16:03 am
Personally, I really enjoy cutting like a third of a page off of essays with naturally giant fonts.Size 13 times new Roman ftw.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on August 02, 2012, 11:09:50 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 02, 2012, 11:11:03 am
Post by: Sirus on August 02, 2012, 11:33:34 am
I am offended by your careless use of magenta.For extra irony, your avatar (when I hit the quote button) was a pink-and-magenta pony :P
Post by: Remalle on August 02, 2012, 11:38:15 am
Post by: Aptus on August 02, 2012, 11:44:55 am
Personally, I really enjoy cutting like a third of a page off of essays with naturally giant fonts.
Pff an essay should always begin like this.
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\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[swedish]{babel}
\usepackage{a4wide}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{amsfonts}Give or take the language and math settings :p
Post by: MaximumZero on August 02, 2012, 12:11:47 pm
Yes, that would be the worst thing ever! I demand compensation for having to see the giant posters of ladies in their undies in the mall!No, no, the thought process is that, "You get paid for work. Work is not a thing you enjoy. Ergo, if you're enjoying what you're doing, it's A. Not Work. and subsequently B. Not to Receive Pay."
You know what I really hate? Having to judge lingerie models. Oh please, Br'er Fox, don't trow me in dat' Victoria's Secret judgin' box!
And if you do, I guess you'll need to pay me exorbitant sums to compensate for the mental anguish.
Post by: Frumple on August 02, 2012, 01:05:32 pm
Post by: applesauce machine on August 02, 2012, 03:01:15 pm
CAN WE RETURN TO THE COMIC SANS DISCUSSION NOW PLEASEI come back several hours later and reach this post. Cue laughter.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 02, 2012, 03:24:04 pm
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 02, 2012, 03:53:37 pm
Post by: GreatJustice on August 02, 2012, 04:30:51 pm
My mother: "So, who are you going to vote for? Obama or Romney?"
Me: "I dunno. Maybe third party?"
Mother: "What if there ISN'T a third party?"
A mandatory political science test before being allowed to vote is sounding really good right now.
That's deep
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on August 02, 2012, 04:54:20 pm
Post by: DrPoo on August 03, 2012, 07:54:21 pm
The most stupid you have heard must not be based on opinion, any opinion at all, else i could post countless "stupid" things i have heard from my sister:
Cheese sucks! Your stupid for liking cheese! (WOW! YOU GOTTA BE RETARDED NOT TO LIKE CHEESE!)
Whats that shitty music your listening to? (BLUE OYSTER CULT IS NOT SHITTY MUSIC YOU RETARDED BABOON!)
No, it must conflict with baisc intelligence, common sense and logic, and basic world views! like
FUCK THOSE COMMIES IN AFRICA THEY SHOULD STOP SENDING ALL THE GUNS UP HERE WITH SPACE SHIPS RUNNING ON GOAT MILK!
Post by: Criptfeind on August 03, 2012, 08:31:47 pm
This. Is something. I have. Actually heard.
This statement is what made me decide I am in fact crazy and everything that happens in a product of my mind as my body is locked up in some loony bin. Clearly no mind deranged enough to come up with that statement could not be locked up.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 03, 2012, 08:33:34 pm
"Well of course cavemen did not know what telephones are. They probably thought they were talking to god or something."
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Post by: kaenneth on August 03, 2012, 08:42:22 pm
...
explains a lot really.
Post by: Shook on August 03, 2012, 08:44:39 pm
@criptfeind: what in the f-
that's just
ow my brain
Also, on a related note, paraphrased (the original quote was in danish so yeah):
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I believe in telepathy. It's the only way the cavemen could have communicated!I'm fine with people believing in supernatural things, i just think they're wrong and leave it at that. But that last bit of reasoning just hurt my brain to the point that i ended the conversation with a polite declaration of disagreement.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 03, 2012, 09:40:51 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on August 03, 2012, 11:42:25 pm
Heard this working in a gas station a few years ago. You hear the craziest things working in gas stations.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 03, 2012, 11:45:00 pm
QuoteI believe in telepathy. It's the only way the cavemen could have communicated!
Clearly they could have just used telephones.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 03, 2012, 11:46:58 pm
'LO? U HEER ME NAO?QuoteI believe in telepathy. It's the only way the cavemen could have communicated!
Clearly they could have just used telephones.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 04, 2012, 03:12:00 am
I think one of the stupidest things I've ever heard was "Water, fire, air, and dirt. Fuckin' magnets how do they work?"Sorry, but this doesn't count :P
Post by: DrPoo on August 04, 2012, 07:12:06 pm
˙ HOLY SHIT WHAT IS THAT THAT CAME OUT OF MY KEYBOARD? THE SIGNALS MUST BE BOUNCING OFF THE MOON OR SOMETHING!
SOMEONE SHOOT DOWN THE MOON PLEASE
Post by: Hanslanda on August 06, 2012, 12:46:27 am
I know. I initiated a conversation with them over that choice. They were talking to me. You stupid bitch. Just because you're ten inches closer to them, you think I can't hear them and you can? I'm half your age, I've got better hearing than you could believe. Argh.
Also, she started talking about church to me, and to make her stop, I told her I was a muslim (I'm not, nothing against them though). An hour later, the cool cashier came up to me and said the dumb ass cashier was worried I was a terrorist. Based on the fact I said I was muslim and didn't want to talk about jesus with her.
...
People like this are why murder happens.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 06, 2012, 12:53:15 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 06, 2012, 01:05:18 am
I once spent twenty minutes in my english class trying to explain to somebody that the word seductive didn't always have sexual connotations. They still didn't get it.
You know, that explanation would have probably saved me a lot of embarrassment in high school.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 06, 2012, 01:40:40 am
Also, she started talking about church to me, and to make her stop, I told her I was a muslim (I'm not, nothing against them though). An hour later, the cool cashier came up to me and said the dumb ass cashier was worried I was a terrorist. Based on the fact I said I was muslim and didn't want to talk about jesus with her.I applaud your actions. Standing ovation, man.
Post by: Darvi on August 06, 2012, 05:29:53 am
*stuff*Sounds like NAR material there.
Post by: OwlEpicurus on August 06, 2012, 09:09:17 am
Post by: DrPoo on August 06, 2012, 02:46:13 pm
No, it's about using it out of context. You don't use it for obituaries, resumes, or anything that is even remotely serious. It's like using smileyfaces every other word, or ALLCAPS, it conveys non-spoken information contradictory to the message. It's like shouting ecstatically "Hey buddy! Guess what? Your puppy *drumroll* DIED! :D" That inappropriate.I mean, yeah, it's a really terrible typeface for those, but that's not its fault. Just because someone plays Norwegian Wood at a wedding doesn't mean the song sucks, just that the person is an idiot.
Norwegian Wood.. as in the Allan Holdsworth song? :D
Post by: Megaman on August 06, 2012, 05:05:01 pm
Flawed logic aside, I was viewing this topic for educational purposes, found that femitheist blog, and found this (http://thefemitheist.blogspot.nl/2012/08/global-day-of-male-suicide.html).
I thought that blog was funny until now.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 06, 2012, 06:09:48 pm
Everyone knows it was in a Beatles Album, so it is immediately a Beatles song.Eh, you won't be seeing anything of worth in that blog.
Flawed logic aside, I was viewing this topic for educational purposes, found that femitheist blog, and found this (http://thefemitheist.blogspot.nl/2012/08/global-day-of-male-suicide.html).
I thought that blog was funny until now.
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 06, 2012, 08:49:26 pm
My stepsister, dad, and I are watching the news (well, I'm actually on my laptop playing Heroes 3) when a story about the Mars rover comes on. My stepsister then says, "Why did we send another one to Mars? I thought we didn't find anything the first time." ::)
Try Earth, land in Atacama Desert and computer would tell you its dead. This is due to parts actually being completly dead of bacterial life. Just because you land in one spot don't mean the planet is dead. dead stupid perhaps.
Post by: Remalle on August 06, 2012, 09:04:09 pm
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Post by: Frumple on August 06, 2012, 09:10:27 pm
Post by: Megaman on August 06, 2012, 09:15:53 pm
"The Curiosity landing is the most important scientific breakthrough of my lifetime!"How is that stupid?
Post by: Hanslanda on August 06, 2012, 09:17:49 pm
Also, she started talking about church to me, and to make her stop, I told her I was a muslim (I'm not, nothing against them though). An hour later, the cool cashier came up to me and said the dumb ass cashier was worried I was a terrorist. Based on the fact I said I was muslim and didn't want to talk about jesus with her.I applaud your actions. Standing ovation, man.
Thank you. :D
*stuff*Sounds like NAR material there.
NAR?
Post by: kaijyuu on August 06, 2012, 09:20:23 pm
Post by: Remalle on August 06, 2012, 09:23:50 pm
First, she's old enough to remember Spirit and Opportunity, so it's not like this is a unique thing. Second, the Higgs Boson was discovered, like, last month."The Curiosity landing is the most important scientific breakthrough of my lifetime!"How is that stupid?
Post by: Trapezohedron on August 06, 2012, 09:37:18 pm
"Not Always Right," I assume.
Definitely this.
Post by: Siquo on August 07, 2012, 03:43:37 am
Third, it's not a scientific breakthrough. Until it actually finds something, it's "just" an incredible feat of engineering.First, she's old enough to remember Spirit and Opportunity, so it's not like this is a unique thing. Second, the Higgs Boson was discovered, like, last month."The Curiosity landing is the most important scientific breakthrough of my lifetime!"How is that stupid?
My girlfriend is a veritable font of quotes for this topic, but I tend to forget them just as quickly. I'll try to gather a few :)
Post by: Yoink on August 07, 2012, 03:48:25 am
Post by: NobodyPro on August 07, 2012, 03:57:29 am
Flawed logic aside, I was viewing this topic for educational purposes, found that femitheist blog, and found this (http://thefemitheist.blogspot.nl/2012/08/global-day-of-male-suicide.html).Off topic, but she really reminds me of this (http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9740414/) but without the payoff.
On topic:
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It's obviously pronounced cash-ae, because it's French. Idiot.Same person also tried to convince me that Celtic is pronounced sell-tick (As-in cellophane, ya idgit). My pointing out that it should obviously be pronounced chel-lo-phane, as-in cello, fell on deaf ears. :P
Post by: scriver on August 07, 2012, 10:22:33 am
Same person also tried to convince me that Celtic is pronounced sell-tick (As-in cellophane, ya idgit). My pointing out that it should obviously be pronounced chel-lo-phane, as-in cello, fell on deaf ears. :PThread, meet Irony. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_Celtic#Pronunciation)
Post by: Reelya on August 07, 2012, 10:45:04 am
"The Sikh religion is based in northern Italy."
FOX, as always, expanding my knowledge in directions I never dreamed possible.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 07, 2012, 11:01:04 am
http://fox6now.com/2012/08/05/state-rep-josh-zepnick-says-couple-thousand-sikhs-in-milwaukee/
"The Sikh religion is based in northern Italy."
FOX, as always, expanding my knowledge in directions I never dreamed possible.
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Post by: scriver on August 07, 2012, 11:22:41 am
Post by: Frumple on August 07, 2012, 11:25:52 am
Well, the guru is ideally a truth seeker, and they say in vino veritas or whatever... there's a veneto in there which is sorta' close so maybe that's what the guy was thinking? It's somewhat convoluted reasoning but I can see it.http://fox6now.com/2012/08/05/state-rep-josh-zepnick-says-couple-thousand-sikhs-in-milwaukee/
"The Sikh religion is based in northern Italy."
FOX, as always, expanding my knowledge in directions I never dreamed possible.Land of the GuruSpoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Reelya on August 07, 2012, 11:29:20 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 07, 2012, 02:50:12 pm
Amazingly, that article was updated 8 hours after posting, and still nobody's picked up on the Italy thing.Or just nobody's watching
Post by: Mephisto on August 07, 2012, 04:36:28 pm
*picks up a pack of ground beef
"Is this cow?"
I'm currently in the process of reading through this thread. I doubt this has been posted yet, so I'll do it now while I remember.
Similar to the above, I was reading an article on something or other relating to a deer being shot. The comments were full of people who believe you shouldn't kill animals or anything fuzzy. One in particular stuck out in my mind. "You shouldn't kill animals for food. You should buy meat from the grocery store where it's made."
Post by: Urist_McDrowner on August 07, 2012, 04:42:06 pm
Post by: UltraValican on August 07, 2012, 04:45:45 pm
"You didn't build that! Somebody else made that happen!"I'm assuming this is the infamous quote from the president.
The one that I believe was taken out of context, in that he was referring to public works such as roads and sewers.
Post by: NobodyPro on August 07, 2012, 04:55:50 pm
Same person also tried to convince me that Celtic is pronounced sell-tick (As-in cellophane, ya idgit). My pointing out that it should obviously be pronounced chel-lo-phane, as-in cello, fell on deaf ears. :PThread, meet Irony. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_Celtic#Pronunciation)
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The initial consonant of the English words Celt and Celtic can be realised either as /k/ or /s/ (that is, either hard or soft ⟨c⟩), both variants being recognised as "correct" in prescriptive usage by modern dictionaries.[9]We're both correct. D:
...Cache still has no accent.
Post by: Reelya on August 07, 2012, 05:14:24 pm
"You didn't build that! Somebody else made that happen!"I'm assuming this is the infamous quote from the president.
The one that I believe was taken out of context, in that he was referring to public works such as roads and sewers.
While if you read the original full quote it's clear that he meant roads, bridges and internet, his speech writer should take the rap for poor choice of word order, making it easy to take out of context.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 07, 2012, 05:27:24 pm
*picks up a pack of ground beef
"Is this cow?"
I'm currently in the process of reading through this thread. I doubt this has been posted yet, so I'll do it now while I remember.
Similar to the above, I was reading an article on something or other relating to a deer being shot. The comments were full of people who believe you shouldn't kill animals or anything fuzzy. One in particular stuck out in my mind. "You shouldn't kill animals for food. You should buy meat from the grocery store where it's made."
I heard, 'Is there kosher bacon?' The other day at my job. It... It kinda shook me up a little. Kosher doesn't work like that.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 07, 2012, 07:22:10 pm
*picks up a pack of ground beef
"Is this cow?"
I'm currently in the process of reading through this thread. I doubt this has been posted yet, so I'll do it now while I remember.
Similar to the above, I was reading an article on something or other relating to a deer being shot. The comments were full of people who believe you shouldn't kill animals or anything fuzzy. One in particular stuck out in my mind. "You shouldn't kill animals for food. You should buy meat from the grocery store where it's made."
I heard, 'Is there kosher bacon?' The other day at my job. It... It kinda shook me up a little. Kosher doesn't work like that.
/me 's head asplode.
Post by: kaenneth on August 07, 2012, 07:32:59 pm
Post by: Frumple on August 07, 2012, 07:33:52 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on August 07, 2012, 07:37:43 pm
Post by: Euld on August 07, 2012, 07:45:56 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on August 07, 2012, 07:49:43 pm
A delicious thing. Also kosher "beef" hotdogs!fixed
Post by: Frumple on August 07, 2012, 08:33:12 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on August 07, 2012, 08:36:55 pm
You fix it like Frumple knows or cares what's in hotdogs. Hotdog is an omnimeat, all meats and no meats at the same time. It can be both kosher and not kosher simultaneously, because the hotdog exists in a state of quantum meat flux.Schrodinger's catdog :P
Post by: Sirus on August 07, 2012, 08:37:22 pm
Gah. Ninja'd my joke :PYou fix it like Frumple knows or cares what's in hotdogs. Hotdog is an omnimeat, all meats and no meats at the same time. It can be both kosher and not kosher simultaneously, because the hotdog exists in a state of quantum meat flux.Schrodinger's catdog :P
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 07, 2012, 10:11:39 pm
Hopy shot it does exist! http://growandbeholdblog.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/beef-bacon-yes-please/dont have the religion/magic/hippy/moralist thing with meat. A new form of bacon has been disclosed to me. New knowledge is great esp in the form of Rashers!
Post by: Kamin on August 07, 2012, 10:25:59 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 07, 2012, 10:28:40 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 07, 2012, 10:34:11 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 07, 2012, 10:40:14 pm
Yep. Depends on what flavor of immortality your system is rolling with. Any decent immortality package deal will include immunity to all viral and bacteriological threats, alongside immunity to most/all diseases, poisons, toxins, venoms, etc.
Cuz not including those things really sucks ass when you can't die.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 07, 2012, 10:46:55 pm
Yep. Depends on what flavor of immortality your system is rolling with. Any decent immortality package deal will include immunity to all viral and bacteriological threats, alongside immunity to most/all diseases, poisons, toxins, venoms, etc.
Cuz not including those things really sucks ass when you can't die.
Same deal with the trick-immortality where you aren't physically age-frozen or capable of age-control. Fine print is important with these things.
Post by: Bdthemag on August 07, 2012, 10:50:13 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 07, 2012, 10:59:39 pm
The worst kind of immortality is the kind where your body doesn't age, but your mind does. So you'll keep living, but if you exceed your mental capacities you'll forget things very often and basically be an extremely old and senile man.
Who blinks and fifty million years have passed. One sec, let me find the Cracked.com article. (http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death.html)
Post by: Flying Dice on August 07, 2012, 11:06:14 pm
Post by: Xantalos on August 07, 2012, 11:21:37 pm
Post by: Sirus on August 07, 2012, 11:28:45 pm
I'm pretty sure this counts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29lmR_357rA >:(Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
Post by: Kamin on August 07, 2012, 11:33:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njtjKYgS49s&feature=player_embedded
Post by: Frumple on August 07, 2012, 11:34:50 pm
Post by: Sirus on August 07, 2012, 11:37:11 pm
The second one is some sort of "reality TV" commercial that looks like every bad stereotype about the United States personified.
Post by: Xantalos on August 07, 2012, 11:38:31 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 07, 2012, 11:44:43 pm
Post by: Frumple on August 07, 2012, 11:47:48 pm
As for the second, reality TV. Dim view of that stuff, yeah. Monetizing peoples suffering, which is what most of them do, more or less, is pretty sickening.
Post by: Megaman on August 07, 2012, 11:54:37 pm
Quote from: Some guy in the comments
I miss Hitler
holy shit bro.
Post by: Sirus on August 07, 2012, 11:57:29 pm
Quote
Ah. That first one's... a bit of a WTF, I guess. Still won't look, but how exactly do they get from mr. Rogers to entitled kids? I vaguely remember the show as more of a friendship/caring/positive message of Jesus sort of thing than an "I Deserve SUV" thing.It's because Mr. Rogers said that everyone was special and unique, instead of being mindless drones ::)
Post by: Reelya on August 08, 2012, 07:05:28 am
But the cited evidence is college kids mystified at getting lower grades :-
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118358476840657463.html
There's the source of FOX's claim, a professor observing the actions of freshmen college students.
There's a much simpler explanation for the same phenomena which doesn't require every kid was indoctrinated by the same TV show:
Those college kids "expect" to get A's because they were top of the class in high-school, say the top 20%. They coasted through because the material was paced so that the C students can keep up. College is filled to the brim with the 'A' students from every high school, and the work is harder, not everyone in the course can get an 'A', you now have to be in the top 20% of the previous 20% for that mark.
This leaves 80% of college kids getting worse marks than they feel they deserve.
Post by: RedKing on August 08, 2012, 08:13:28 am
Welcome to the unintended consequences of decades of pushing the idea of "college for everybody". Well-intentioned, but a bad idea. Might work better if we had a more robust system of technical/vocational schools and reserved the traditional academic universities for the top students.
This is one reason why a Bachelor's degree is the new high school diploma, and a Master's Degree is the new Bachelor's.
Post by: darkrider2 on August 08, 2012, 12:29:07 pm
Considering I coasted through high school without ever studying.
Post by: Jervill on August 08, 2012, 12:53:26 pm
Post by: Siquo on August 08, 2012, 12:54:25 pm
What will your major be? If it's soft, you won't notice. But if it is something like engineering, then be prepared for a kick in the pants.QFT.
Post by: darkrider2 on August 08, 2012, 12:58:49 pm
What will your major be? If it's soft, you won't notice. But if it is something like engineering, then be prepared for a kick in the pants.
Computer Science.
My junior year of HS I was in an engineering type class (one of those tech programs) but I quit, wasn't really what I wanted and I needed to put calculus in my schedule, and damn glad I did.
I wasn't a bad student, I was in the B-C range due to just not turning stuff in but still scored really well on tests, though I suppose that isn't a good metric for college.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 08, 2012, 02:48:27 pm
Post by: Frumple on August 08, 2012, 02:51:21 pm
Others, homework-type stuff is a significant portion of the grade, and you're screwed if you don't stay on top of it.
Regardless, staying on top of it (again, caveatted by a decent teacher, who's actually assigning stuff on the basis it'll expand your understanding of the topic) is going to seriously impact your ability to pass the classes, to say nothing of actually learning the material (tremendously more important than actually getting a good grade, t'be honest).
Though, being fair, as Dice says, most of that doesn't apply to lower level, general education stuff. Just the stuff once you're actually in your degree and working with higher level material.
Post by: Darvi on August 08, 2012, 02:52:48 pm
You'll probably coast through most of the prereqs/University Studies stuff without even blinking; most of those courses require nothing more than missing fewer than 10 sessions and not being a complete moron to pass.I'm a complete moron and missed half a semester and still breezed through most of my exams. Well, more like half of them. Project management is hard.
Post by: RedKing on August 08, 2012, 03:20:59 pm
Don't feel like going to class? You don't have to!
Feel like partying up till 4am the night before a big test? You can!
Missed your semester final because you were passed out after a night of drunken debauchery? Too fucking bad, you fail!
(I speak from experience on the above points...) :-\
Even if you don't go off the deep end like I did, there's still the struggle of just balancing the amount of reading (which is typically a good bit heftier than in high school) and project work for all your classes. And trying to enjoy your newfound social life.
It gets steadily harder through the 4 years, but the material also gets more interesting so you're more eager to put in the extra work.
Then if you get to graduate school, it's like restarting the game on Hardcore mode. "Welcome to class, here's the syllabus, read these 300 pages by next class."
Post by: Jervill on August 08, 2012, 03:30:35 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 08, 2012, 03:33:49 pm
Post by: kaenneth on August 08, 2012, 03:46:14 pm
Post by: Xantalos on August 08, 2012, 03:51:24 pm
Mr. Rogers was just as nice when off-camera.Huh? *twitch*
Post by: RedKing on August 08, 2012, 03:54:21 pm
Woah, woah, woah. Social life? When did we get those in college?Well, I lived in a cool dorm. We were composed almost entirely of freaks, misfits and nonconformists. Most of whom had at least a 140 IQ. It was like one big happy mentally unstable bisexual pagan family. :P
We had our own theater troupe, that put on plays just for our own amusement. And a regular basement poker night where people came fully dressed as a '30s speakeasy. We even had some Nerf shootouts when somebody tried to slip an extra ace into the deck. Good times, good times.
Post by: Megaman on August 08, 2012, 04:31:04 pm
Jeez man, that's one crazy dorm.
Post by: SealyStar on August 08, 2012, 04:31:23 pm
Post by: Xantalos on August 08, 2012, 04:33:46 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 08, 2012, 04:36:17 pm
Post by: Kamin on August 08, 2012, 04:43:05 pm
Woah, woah, woah. Social life? When did we get those in college?
I personally had an awesome social life. I worked usually around 30 hours a week, got special permission for "excessive hours" almost every semester (which averaged around 20), and yet partied every weekend. And yes, I did indeed pay for my own schooling; scholarships really helped, though.
I'm entering college in like two weeks and find this pretty disturbing.
Considering I coasted through high school without ever studying.
I put very little effort into University and never studied in HS, although I still got 'A's. When I went to Uni, I got a 4.3 GPA a few semesters because of the way Honors was weighted, which is farcical. The only reason I can see people failing out of school besides being monumentally lazy--I'm thinking of the WoW stereotype--is due to financial hardship. So, for those of you youngsters headed off for higher education, I have but two warnings: 1.) Beware the financial snares of one of the largest and most vile industries in the world (Secondary Education) and 2.) I'm watching you ;D . But seriously, if you can manage learning DF, you can get a four point in college. Don't sell yourselves short. It's expensive as hell, so make the money you're throwing at institutionalized highway robbers worth it.
Post by: sluissa on August 08, 2012, 05:03:34 pm
Here's three simple steps:
1. Listen. Really... Listen, read, pay attention to the material in whatever form it comes to you.
2. Find out what you educator expects from you. Sometimes harder than others, but in almost every case you'll have it by the time the first test is or paper is over. Only time this becomes a problem is when you only have 2 tests or papers the entire semester.
3. Give the educator what they're looking for. Sometimes they expect a lot. Sometimes they expect little. Sometimes they want you to meet their expectations, TO THE LETTER. Sometimes they're more open about what they want, but in every case, there is something they expect, something they're looking out for, so do your best to give it to them.
Once you understand that, and know how to make it work, there is nothing about college that is hard. At that point it simply becomes tedious. I burnt out in high school. Not because it was hard, but because it was tedious. My last year I didn't care and I didn't try, and I barely pulled C average grades. College started, and I was good for the first two years. My first year I failed a few major assignments and only managed middling grades, but that was just as I was figuring out the system. My second year I did great, only missing a bit because I had to take some math and never had a head for it. My third and fourth years, however, I just went through the motions. I was tired, but I was over half way there. By that point, however, I'd figured out how to deal with the system. Even with only half-hearted effort I still did pretty well.
In conclusion: College is not hard. You just have to keep at it, give them what they want, and not get distracted.
In restrospect: Might not have been the best thread for it, but hell, I'm not throwing this away now.
Post by: Tellemurius on August 08, 2012, 05:08:41 pm
Way to go on ruining my hopes and dreams as a network engineer
Post by: Kamin on August 08, 2012, 05:10:47 pm
2. Find out what you educator expects from you. Sometimes harder than others, but in almost every case you'll have it by the time the first test is or paper is over. Only time this becomes a problem is when you only have 2 tests or papers the entire semester.
3. Give the educator what they're looking for. Sometimes they expect a lot. Sometimes they expect little. Sometimes they want you to meet their expectations, TO THE LETTER. Sometimes they're more open about what they want, but in every case, there is something they expect, something they're looking out for, so do your best to give it to them.
...
In conclusion: College is not hard. You just have to keep at it, give them what they want,and not get distracted.
^This. Some love regurgitation, especially if they teach their own books. Some don't. You'll figure it out pretty quickly just based on how a Prof/TA conducts themselves. Humor tends to be a good sign. As far as distractions? They will keep you sane, especially if you can still get things done on time.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 08, 2012, 05:16:25 pm
Post by: sluissa on August 08, 2012, 05:17:48 pm
Post by: darkrider2 on August 08, 2012, 05:19:58 pm
This thread has been derailed too many times to count
Derailing doesn't exist, derailed is the natural state of every thread.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 08, 2012, 05:21:57 pm
Post by: Xantalos on August 08, 2012, 05:22:34 pm
Post by: darkrider2 on August 08, 2012, 05:25:05 pm
It's called conversation flow in most places. It's looked down upon on forums for some reason.
Probably one of the bigger reasons I love the DF forum so much. Breaking conversation flow is a BIG downer for me when someone does it.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 08, 2012, 05:26:28 pm
Post by: Yoink on August 08, 2012, 06:25:00 pm
I just wanted to hear what the idiots had to say :'(
Ha! ...Kidding, of course. :P
On-topic: Uhh... I don't really have anything recent to contribute, but people mixing up the word 'organism' with 'orgasm' in junior High School was always good for laughs. ...Then again, that may have been because we were in junior High School. :-\ Oh well.
It's the best I can do right now.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 08, 2012, 06:44:10 pm
Post by: Kamin on August 08, 2012, 06:58:02 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on August 08, 2012, 07:08:59 pm
"I don't care if she's a gold medalist, Gabby Douglas has bad hair." Infuriating."I don't care what you just said now GTFO"
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 08, 2012, 07:12:49 pm
someone on my friend's bus who thought that the first part of having a sex change was having your breasts lopped off.
they thought a 13-year old was having a sex change. (that's what formed their whole conversation)
A little more delicately than that, yeah, but sometimes it is.
Post by: Megaman on August 08, 2012, 09:11:58 pm
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 08, 2012, 09:23:51 pm
Oh, yeah. Find something to keep you sane.This is important, says the one who went insane.
Post by: ab00 on August 08, 2012, 10:39:55 pm
Quote from: Classmate
Woa! Whys the screen all blu n' s@#t? n' whys der ledders going quickly across it? HOLY S@#T ERREBODY, dat N@#$%s a terror-rist!
Post by: Tellemurius on August 08, 2012, 10:43:29 pm
To *slightly* rerail the topic, my classmates think I'm a terrorist for running a memory test on one of the school computers.hack his phone just to prove his point, make sure to flag it to the FBI ;)Quote from: ClassmateWoa! Whys the screen all blu n' s@#t? n' whys der ledders going quickly across it? HOLY S@#T ERREBODY, dat N@#$%s a terror-rist!
Post by: ab00 on August 08, 2012, 11:00:32 pm
Yes, the people at my school are idiots. I'll get some more quotes when school gets back in session.
Quote from: Guy in the yearbook's "Most terrifying moments" section
[I was most terrified when] I thought my weed was hanging out of my pocket, but then the security guard didn't say nuttin'
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 09, 2012, 05:03:34 am
To *slightly* rerail the topic, my classmates think I'm a terrorist for running a memory test on one of the school computers.haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawhhhh???Quote from: ClassmateWoa! Whys the screen all blu n' s@#t? n' whys der ledders going quickly across it? HOLY S@#T ERREBODY, dat N@#$%s a terror-rist!
Post by: RedKing on August 09, 2012, 01:55:41 pm
User: "This is totally unacceptable! There was no warning that they were moving my data to a different drive!"
Me: "Actually....there were 9 seperate broadcast emails over the last two weeks regarding the drive migration."
User: "Well....that's.....look, migrating my data and moving it to a different drive are two different things."
Me: "....no, that's pretty much what migration means."
User: "INSUFFICIENT!"
Me: (trying not to snicker)
Post by: RedKing on August 09, 2012, 02:09:13 pm
But I'd like to keep my job for the remaining few months.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 09, 2012, 02:19:16 pm
Post by: Sensei on August 09, 2012, 03:22:52 pm
Rainbows from water sprinklers? Must be a conspiracy. (http://tinyurl.com/3kzz4ec)
How long does it take to go eighty miles, and the rate of eighty miles per hour? (http://tinyurl.com/7qepa9n)
Post by: Xantalos on August 09, 2012, 03:24:58 pm
Post by: Sensei on August 09, 2012, 03:26:23 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 09, 2012, 03:26:53 pm
Rainbows from water sprinklers? Must be a conspiracy. (http://tinyurl.com/3kzz4ec)"It's the gays, they're poisoning our water supply with fabulous!"
Post by: Urist_McDrowner on August 09, 2012, 03:27:10 pm
"You didn't build that! Somebody else made that happen!"I'm assuming this is the infamous quote from the president.
The one that I believe was taken out of context, in that he was referring to public works such as roads and sewers.
While if you read the original full quote it's clear that he meant roads, bridges and internet, his speech writer should take the rap for poor choice of word order, making it easy to take out of context.
I thought so too, until I looked at it in context. Not just the "roads and bridges" but the WHOLE speech. He dismisses alternate explanations "You think it's because you're smart! Well, there's a lot of smart people!" he also takes away hard worker as a justification. Therefore, if it had nothing to do with my work or my intelligence, "Somebody else made that happen!"
Post by: Xantalos on August 09, 2012, 03:28:40 pm
Well of course! The gurverment ajensees hadn't invented color yet! Yes, that's the truth! There never were any black and white cameras, THE WORLD WAS BLACK AND WHITE!
Post by: Jervill on August 09, 2012, 03:34:56 pm
"You didn't build that! Somebody else made that happen!"I'm assuming this is the infamous quote from the president.
The one that I believe was taken out of context, in that he was referring to public works such as roads and sewers.
While if you read the original full quote it's clear that he meant roads, bridges and internet, his speech writer should take the rap for poor choice of word order, making it easy to take out of context.
I thought so too, until I looked at it in context. Not just the "roads and bridges" but the WHOLE speech. He dismisses alternate explanations "You think it's because you're smart! Well, there's a lot of smart people!" he also takes away hard worker as a justification. Therefore, if it had nothing to do with my work or my intelligence, "Somebody else made that happen!"
How the hell do you come to that conclusion from the speech?
Quote from: Obama
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
He simply states that we don't do everything on our own, and that government plays a key role constructing things that allow a business to succeed. Nowhere does he say that initiative and hard work don't do anything.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 09, 2012, 03:41:11 pm
Post by: kaenneth on August 09, 2012, 04:07:29 pm
Probable explanation is that newer sprinklers have finer holes, for more of a mist than spatter.
Post by: Urist_McDrowner on August 09, 2012, 04:11:41 pm
Quote
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
Regardless, he said that. If it has nothing to do with my own merits, then the fact I succeed and someone else doesn't has nothing to do with me. Therefore, "somebody else, made that happen!"
Post by: Frumple on August 09, 2012, 04:24:02 pm
Certainly, if you weren't intelligent and hard working, you wouldn't be able to take advantage of those aids given to you to the degree someone intelligent and hard working could. But similarly... if the opportunities had never been given to you, it wouldn't matter how hard working or intelligent you are. To that extent, yes. Someone else made that happen. It couldn't have happened without you, though.
Post by: Tellemurius on August 09, 2012, 05:53:07 pm
"Yep thats real meat"
Post by: SealyStar on August 09, 2012, 08:20:43 pm
*chick sniffs a hotdog*
"Yep thats real meat"
Well, after the pink slime controversy you can never be too sure...
Post by: Reelya on August 09, 2012, 09:25:06 pm
QuoteThere are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
Regardless, he said that. If it has nothing to do with my own merits, then the fact I succeed and someone else doesn't has nothing to do with me. Therefore, "somebody else, made that happen!"
Plenty of people work hard at low-paying jobs and never get rich. Plenty of smart people work hard and make a LOT less that their WAY less bright managers / business owners. That's all Obama was saying there. Common sense really, you just choose not to comprehend.
If you worked hard and became a billionaire, it was NOT solely because of your brains and personal hard work, you had a HUGE pyramid of other brainy and hardworking people to get there. EMPLOYEES. CUSTOMERS. And lots of activities those people do that benefit business's are state subsidized.
And most of your employees and customers were educated at the expense of the community, that education cuts into training costs because you can assume at least minimal literacy. Increasing the supply of higher skilled population decreases the demand value of those skills, and keeps wages from skyrocketing. Employees and customers ride buses to work or spend money, or they drive on state-funded roads. Without bus subsidies, you couldn't get away with paying people wages so low they can't afford a car. All that's FREE SHIT that business's get that's hidden subsidies.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 09, 2012, 10:48:55 pm
Users: Dope springs eternal.
Sigh. That it does.
Also, at the obama argument: Stop. Please just stop. I find it offensive, the entire things, both sides. So take it somewhere else please.
Post by: Zangi on August 10, 2012, 09:38:10 am
On Topic: I find hatred triggered by what remotely even looks like a reference to Ponies both dumb and hilarious. Especially the 'You Bronies are ruining [Insert Media Here]. Yes, there are Pony references everywhere... but so are the Star Trek and Star Wars references... in time... sadly all good things must end...
Post by: Hanslanda on August 10, 2012, 09:58:08 am
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 10, 2012, 10:02:50 am
Thankfully, I come from a family of smart people, so I only really hear stupid things from my brother, who is 3 years younger and not as bright as I was, but still very smart. I remember him believing that Genitals and Testicles were the same.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 10, 2012, 10:06:05 am
I just leave Bronies and the like to their own ends. I'm not one, but, if they wanna watch a show, let them.
Thankfully, I come from a family of smart people, so I only really hear stupid things from my brother, who is 3 years younger and not as bright as I was, but still very smart. I remember him believing that Genitals and Testicles were the same.
I find myself agreeing with you. Why does it matter what Bronies do, or if gay people marry, or if someone else is Muslim? Gotta ask yourself, does this really matter to me? Is it really going to affect me?
Usually the answer is no, I find.
Post by: Levi on August 10, 2012, 11:33:45 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 10, 2012, 11:40:15 am
Yep. If it doesn't directly hurt me I generally don't care. I've never really understood the brony and furry hate.It's different therefore attack? That seems to be a common theme for stuff like that.
Post by: Levi on August 10, 2012, 11:44:07 am
Yep. If it doesn't directly hurt me I generally don't care. I've never really understood the brony and furry hate.It's different therefore attack? That seems to be a common theme for stuff like that.
I dunno, I have a hard time believing its as simple as that. If people naturally hated everything that is different we'd never invent or create anything new.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 10, 2012, 11:44:15 am
Yep. If it doesn't directly hurt me I generally don't care. I've never really understood the brony and furry hate.It's different therefore attack? That seems to be a common theme for stuff like that.
Pretty much this. People hate and fear what they don't understand. And it is hard to understand grown people watching MLP and dressing like anime cats, so those people get hated. It is really ignorant and incredibly backwards. People should endeavour to understand one another's likes and dislikes, but that would be too utopian. ::)
Post by: RedKing on August 10, 2012, 12:13:06 pm
No, if ALL people hated everything different, we'd never invent or create anything new. It's the minority of people who embrace change which keep humanity progressing forward.Yep. If it doesn't directly hurt me I generally don't care. I've never really understood the brony and furry hate.It's different therefore attack? That seems to be a common theme for stuff like that.
I dunno, I have a hard time believing its as simple as that. If people naturally hated everything that is different we'd never invent or create anything new.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 10, 2012, 12:22:00 pm
This is the part where we all get sad.No, if ALL people hated everything different, we'd never invent or create anything new. It's the minority of people who embrace change which keep humanity progressing forward.Yep. If it doesn't directly hurt me I generally don't care. I've never really understood the brony and furry hate.It's different therefore attack? That seems to be a common theme for stuff like that.
I dunno, I have a hard time believing its as simple as that. If people naturally hated everything that is different we'd never invent or create anything new.
Post by: Xantalos on August 10, 2012, 12:24:08 pm
If you say so. :'( :(This is the part where we all get sad.No, if ALL people hated everything different, we'd never invent or create anything new. It's the minority of people who embrace change which keep humanity progressing forward.Yep. If it doesn't directly hurt me I generally don't care. I've never really understood the brony and furry hate.It's different therefore attack? That seems to be a common theme for stuff like that.
I dunno, I have a hard time believing its as simple as that. If people naturally hated everything that is different we'd never invent or create anything new.
Post by: darkrider2 on August 10, 2012, 12:29:50 pm
If you say so. :'( :(This is the part where we all get sad.No, if ALL people hated everything different, we'd never invent or create anything new. It's the minority of people who embrace change which keep humanity progressing forward.I dunno, I have a hard time believing its as simple as that. If people naturally hated everything that is different we'd never invent or create anything new.Yep. If it doesn't directly hurt me I generally don't care. I've never really understood the brony and furry hate.It's different therefore attack? That seems to be a common theme for stuff like that.
Off to the sad thread!
Post by: SealyStar on August 10, 2012, 12:32:57 pm
If you want to do anything, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else, knock yourself out. If it's really harmful, then, hell, conservatives, let the self-harmers kill themselves off. I mean, if AIDS is really God's vengeance on homosexuals, let the "wretched sinners" kill themselves. Note that this is emphatically not what I believe, just to ward off hate.
This, of course, is in regards to real issues, like gay marriage and drugs. Bronies and furries are not real issues. For 99.9% of both groups-and their critics must realize this-it's a hobby, not a goddamn way of life.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 10, 2012, 05:24:21 pm
The hate stems not only from "you're different so I don't like you," but also people projecting their own life priorities on others. Not everyone considers financial success to be actual life success, for example. But things like "you work at mcdonalds" are common insults. When someone finds a bit of happiness and fulfillment in something that another deems irrelevant and trivial, that other person tends to be less than sympathetic. It's the entire bullshit logic behind "get a life."
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-6-stupidest-things-we-use-to-judge-people-we-dont-know/
By my definition of "way of life," I'd consider most furries to be justified in calling their hobby that, a small portion of bronies, some sports fans (the ones that go to every game and have a room dedicated to their team), connoisseur of every type, and quite a few others. And if there's a difference between hate directed at these people, and hate directed at homosexuals/people of certain race/etc, it's that the latter get far worse treatment. That's it. The hate is no more or less justified.
Post by: SealyStar on August 10, 2012, 05:41:56 pm
Post by: Urist_McDrowner on August 10, 2012, 07:46:20 pm
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How the hell do you come to that conclusion from the speech?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=192oEC5TX_Q
"I'm always struck by people who think 'Well it must be because I'm so smart', well let me tell you there's a lot of smart people. They think "well, it must be because I worked harder than everybody else", well let me tell you, there's a lot of smart people"
Even if it was about infrastructure, it's an irrelevant point. I give my future children half of their DNA, the wife provides the other half. Therefore, we've had a key role in their success, bigger than the government. Are we allowed to regulate their behavior for their whole lives? Of course not. We provided those things, and their childhood environment, because it's our job as parents. Its the governments job to make roads. Its the governments job to make bridges. It is NOT the governments job to decide which businesses fail and which succeed. It is not their job to make people purchase a product.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 10, 2012, 07:48:52 pm
Post by: Zangi on August 10, 2012, 07:54:36 pm
If I may suggest, B12's American Election Megathread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=98262.0) is a relevant place to discuss the finer details of Obama's speech.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 10, 2012, 08:50:47 pm
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It has been requested a number of times that political 'debates' be moved to the politics thread. Use below link for further discussion please.You mean this thread might actually be on topic for once? Oh goody! :D
Post by: Tellemurius on August 10, 2012, 09:54:18 pm
response: "Yeah and i was a janitor for Microsoft 9 years, I know Windows front and back" ::)
Post by: Scelly9 on August 10, 2012, 10:07:15 pm
Post by: ed boy on August 11, 2012, 05:56:31 am
Yep. If it doesn't directly hurt me I generally don't care. I've never really understood the brony and furry hate.It's different therefore attack? That seems to be a common theme for stuff like that.
Pretty much this. People hate and fear what they don't understand. And it is hard to understand grown people watching MLP and dressing like anime cats, so those people get hated. It is really ignorant and incredibly backwards. People should endeavour to understand one another's likes and dislikes, but that would be too utopian. ::)
To expand on this, it often becomes a case of the ego getting in the way. Lots of people end up thinking in one way or another "I'm a smart person. If there was any rational reason for someone liking X, then I would be able to understand it. I don't like X, so therefore liking X is irrational and wrong.
It's a really damn pervasive train of thought. For example, how many people have you met who claim to be open minded, and then go off declaring some music bad because they don't like it?
Post by: Bdthemag on August 11, 2012, 06:50:22 am
Depends how you define "way of life." Some people identify with and are passionate about certain things, and there's nothing wrong with that. If your beef is with those who become short sighted and lose track of priorities, then fine; I agree. One can't buy more figurines living in a cardboard box. But otherwise, it being a "way of life" is perfectly fine.See, I don't really think that you get the whole hate directed towards "bronies" since you're a brony yourself. From what I've seen, it's the general "In your face" attitude the fandom as a whole has, and trust me this doesn't just apply to the small "vocal minority" that seems to be referred to often in arguments relating to certain fandoms. For comparison, look at the Justin Bieber fans. They're fans of a pop singer but have that "In your face" attitude that I mentioned before. I can guarantee the hate isn't as simple as "They don't understand, therefore they hate it.", it's literally based upon the fact that the fandom likes to be very open and pushy about their hobby, especially if they find out someone doesn't approve of it.
The hate stems not only from "you're different so I don't like you," but also people projecting their own life priorities on others. Not everyone considers financial success to be actual life success, for example. But things like "you work at mcdonalds" are common insults. When someone finds a bit of happiness and fulfillment in something that another deems irrelevant and trivial, that other person tends to be less than sympathetic. It's the entire bullshit logic behind "get a life."
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-6-stupidest-things-we-use-to-judge-people-we-dont-know/
By my definition of "way of life," I'd consider most furries to be justified in calling their hobby that, a small portion of bronies, some sports fans (the ones that go to every game and have a room dedicated to their team), connoisseur of every type, and quite a few others. And if there's a difference between hate directed at these people, and hate directed at homosexuals/people of certain race/etc, it's that the latter get far worse treatment. That's it. The hate is no more or less justified.
People don't actively hate on furries like they used to because they're not trying to force their hobby on other people anymore, they stay in their own communities and there isn't a lot of active hate directed towards them anymore. But hey, take whatever I say with a grain of salt considering the majority of the other websites I visit are pretty much anti-brony to the core and my opinion may be completely biased for all I know.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on August 11, 2012, 07:07:22 am
Being both a brony and a furry, I couldn't agree with you more. There's few things more annoying that someone else trying to force their hobby down your throat despite your clear statements that you're not interested, it also largely depends on your definition of forcing it on other people though, there's people who seem to think that having a pony avatar qualifies as forcing it down their throat; which is complete and utter bollocks.-words--more words-
Post by: Hanslanda on August 11, 2012, 07:13:05 am
Being both a brony and a furry, I couldn't agree with you more. There's few things more annoying that someone else trying to force their hobby down your throat despite your clear statements that you're not interested, it also largely depends on your definition of forcing it on other people though, there's people who seem to think that having a pony avatar qualifies as forcing it down their throat; which is complete and utter bollocks.-words--more words-
I also agree with you, and I am not a brony nor a furry. It's an avatar. I hate anime, but seeing anime avatars, I don't get all flame-war-y and start trashing them for shoving anime down my throat.
Also, as for the shoving things down people's throats:
Also, she started talking about church to me, and to make her stop, I told her I was a muslim (I'm not, nothing against them though). An hour later, the cool cashier came up to me and said the dumb ass cashier was worried I was a terrorist. Based on the fact I said I was muslim and didn't want to talk about jesus with her.
Don't talk to me about church please. :D Or I will turn into a terrorist, apparently.
Post by: sluissa on August 11, 2012, 07:44:54 am
Also, as for the shoving things down people's throats:Also, she started talking about church to me, and to make her stop, I told her I was a muslim (I'm not, nothing against them though). An hour later, the cool cashier came up to me and said the dumb ass cashier was worried I was a terrorist. Based on the fact I said I was muslim and didn't want to talk about jesus with her.
Don't talk to me about church please. :D Or I will turn into a terrorist, apparently.
Inexplicably works a bit better if you say you're Jewish instead. Just shuts them up without any of the terrorism connotations. Unfair, but true.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 11, 2012, 08:58:47 am
Inexplicably works a bit better if you say you're a Terrorist instead. Just shuts them up with all of the terrorism connotations. Wait...Don't talk to me about church please. :D Or I will turn into a terrorist, apparently.Inexplicably works a bit better if you say you're Jewish instead. Just shuts them up without any of the terrorism connotations. Unfair, but true.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 11, 2012, 11:47:08 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 11, 2012, 11:51:50 am
Post by: Hanslanda on August 11, 2012, 12:08:37 pm
I've never been accused of terrorism for not wanting to discuss church, but I was once accused of communism for being the most liberal person in my 12 person class.
Why does everyone hate on communism so much? 'Oh god, they've got a liberal idealism that doesn't work, those heartless bastards!' ??? I don't get it.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 11, 2012, 12:24:49 pm
Post by: Svarte Troner on August 11, 2012, 12:25:22 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 11, 2012, 12:29:44 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 11, 2012, 12:43:39 pm
@ Svarte Troner: That... I lol'd to say the least.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 11, 2012, 02:07:59 pm
Post by: Frumple on August 11, 2012, 02:26:11 pm
Which... I don't. But one of the folks living with me can't stand it. Definitely would complain, ohoho.
Post by: Urist_McDrowner on August 11, 2012, 02:27:34 pm
QuoteThere are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
Regardless, he said that. If it has nothing to do with my own merits, then the fact I succeed and someone else doesn't has nothing to do with me. Therefore, "somebody else, made that happen!"
Plenty of people work hard at low-paying jobs and never get rich. Plenty of smart people work hard and make a LOT less that their WAY less bright managers / business owners. That's all Obama was saying there. Common sense really, you just choose not to comprehend.
If you worked hard and became a billionaire, it was NOT solely because of your brains and personal hard work, you had a HUGE pyramid of other brainy and hardworking people to get there. EMPLOYEES. CUSTOMERS. And lots of activities those people do that benefit business's are state subsidized.
And most of your employees and customers were educated at the expense of the community, that education cuts into training costs because you can assume at least minimal literacy. Increasing the supply of higher skilled population decreases the demand value of those skills, and keeps wages from skyrocketing. Employees and customers ride buses to work or spend money, or they drive on state-funded roads. Without bus subsidies, you couldn't get away with paying people wages so low they can't afford a car. All that's FREE SHIT that business's get that's hidden subsidies.
Employees I paid, Customers who would be worse off without my products.
You've just illustrated my point. My own merits, my intelligence and my hard work, had nothing to do with my success according to Obama.
Do you believe that Albert Einstein discovered special relativity because he was intelligent, or because he worked at the patent office or walked on government roads? The fact is, I made my business happen, even if you provided the catalyst (which I then paid my share for dozens of times over through taxes). The same way Michael Phelps parents can't say "WE JUST EARNED 18 GOLD MEDALS!!!!", no, Michael Phelps earned them. You just gave him DNA, and support for 18 years.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 11, 2012, 02:29:03 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 11, 2012, 02:34:48 pm
Would Einstein have invented special relativity without the governement funded university at which he studied? \(there are more examples). The governement is there for a reason, ie , to do things toghether you can't accomplish alone. Humans are group creatures. You can't survive on your own.QuoteThere are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
Regardless, he said that. If it has nothing to do with my own merits, then the fact I succeed and someone else doesn't has nothing to do with me. Therefore, "somebody else, made that happen!"
Plenty of people work hard at low-paying jobs and never get rich. Plenty of smart people work hard and make a LOT less that their WAY less bright managers / business owners. That's all Obama was saying there. Common sense really, you just choose not to comprehend.
If you worked hard and became a billionaire, it was NOT solely because of your brains and personal hard work, you had a HUGE pyramid of other brainy and hardworking people to get there. EMPLOYEES. CUSTOMERS. And lots of activities those people do that benefit business's are state subsidized.
And most of your employees and customers were educated at the expense of the community, that education cuts into training costs because you can assume at least minimal literacy. Increasing the supply of higher skilled population decreases the demand value of those skills, and keeps wages from skyrocketing. Employees and customers ride buses to work or spend money, or they drive on state-funded roads. Without bus subsidies, you couldn't get away with paying people wages so low they can't afford a car. All that's FREE SHIT that business's get that's hidden subsidies.
Employees I paid, Customers who would be worse off without my products.
You've just illustrated my point. My own merits, my intelligence and my hard work, had nothing to do with my success.
Do you believe that Albert Einstein discovered special relativity because he was intelligent, or because he worked at the patent office or walked on government roads?
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 11, 2012, 02:53:14 pm
go get botted!
also english papers saying bray is british, nope wrong side of border you muppets.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 11, 2012, 03:16:43 pm
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Politicking in non-politics thread!
That is all.
Post by: Kamin on August 11, 2012, 04:13:08 pm
"How'd you get in there?"
"The gate."
"There's a gate?"
"... Yeah."
"Oh. Ok."
Word for word.
Post by: Bdthemag on August 11, 2012, 05:22:01 pm
A cop with tribal tattoos, after pulling up in his car and staring for literally 60 seconds as I examined gravestones from the 1800s in broad daylight:Wait, if he didn't know if there was a gate how'd he get in there?
"How'd you get in there?"
"The gate."
"There's a gate?"
"... Yeah."
"Oh. Ok."
Word for word.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 11, 2012, 05:22:44 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 11, 2012, 06:08:35 pm
-A friend of mine, totally not a racist. Yeah...
Post by: Scelly9 on August 11, 2012, 06:11:22 pm
"Did anyone notice that the only people who ever win at Olympic sprinting are all... darker than us?"Well, it is (mostly) true.
-A friend of mine, totally not a racist. Yeah...
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 11, 2012, 06:22:05 pm
"Did anyone notice that the only people who ever win at Olympic sprinting are all... darker than us?"
-A friend of mine, totally not a racist. Yeah...
In my opinion, that's just an observation, not a racist comment. However, if he had said something along the lines of "The black people need to stop being in the Olimpics, because they're beating us and I suspect that they're cheating," then he would definately be racist. I haven't been around obvious racists, so excuse my lack of experience.
Post by: SealyStar on August 11, 2012, 06:25:18 pm
"Did anyone notice that the only people who ever win at Olympic sprinting are all... darker than us?"
-A friend of mine, totally not a racist. Yeah...
In my opinion, that's just an observation, not a racist comment. However, if he had said something along the lines of "The black people need to stop being in the Olimpics, because they're beating us and I suspect that they're cheating," then he would definately be racist. I haven't been around obvious racists, so excuse my lack of experience.
I guess it's not really racist, but it certainly comes close.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 11, 2012, 06:27:06 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 11, 2012, 06:28:52 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 11, 2012, 06:32:23 pm
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 11, 2012, 07:11:03 pm
"Did anyone notice that the only people who ever win at Olympic sprinting are all... darker than us?"
-A friend of mine, totally not a racist. Yeah...
most I belive are african from a mountains part, they have genetically bigger lungs or slightly more efficent blood than us short fat whies who could not run to save our life.
They (official types) go after drugs in athletes, what about genetic superority for running strenght etc. could you claim the extra adrenaline (Epinephrine to USA) or testosterone was natural or unfair advantage.
Popular claiim running abourt here was the chinese girl who beat the swimming by so much was result of chinese communist breeding profgram from the past finaly bearing results. Mind you russians were also at that and they are not blowing away records. Maybe they just did military stuff.
Post by: sluissa on August 11, 2012, 07:23:09 pm
"Did anyone notice that the only people who ever win at Olympic sprinting are all... darker than us?"
-A friend of mine, totally not a racist. Yeah...
most I belive are african from a mountains part, they have genetically bigger lungs or slightly more efficent blood than us short fat whies who could not run to save our life.
They (official types) go after drugs in athletes, what about genetic superority for running strenght etc. could you claim the extra adrenaline (Epinephrine to USA) or testosterone was natural or unfair advantage.
Popular claiim running abourt here was the chinese girl who beat the swimming by so much was result of chinese communist breeding profgram from the past finaly bearing results. Mind you russians were also at that and they are not blowing away records. Maybe they just did military stuff.
You obviously never saw Rocky IV. :P
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 11, 2012, 07:29:00 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 11, 2012, 07:43:54 pm
Last I checked, it's adrenaline here, too.
I've heard both. And, yes, my friend and I are both of white European descent.
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 11, 2012, 07:59:02 pm
blame the wiki when the Foreigner gets it wrong and the movie.
Post by: bombzero on August 11, 2012, 08:03:33 pm
"This chemical is widely referred to as "adrenaline" outside the United States"
blame the wiki when the Foreigner gets it wrong and the movie.
*sigh*
gotta love how nobody knows anything about any other countries, but one or two are still considered the "most ignorant" you know?
I mean, if you were to write out a list of every incorrect assumption/stereotype about other countries, you would have one hell of a long list.
Thankfully this just means even more content for this thread!
Post by: Urist_McDrowner on August 11, 2012, 09:11:45 pm
"Did anyone notice that the only people who ever win at Olympic sprinting are all... darker than us?"
-A friend of mine, totally not a racist. Yeah...
most I belive are african from a mountains part, they have genetically bigger lungs or slightly more efficent blood than us short fat whies who could not run to save our life.
They (official types) go after drugs in athletes, what about genetic superority for running strenght etc. could you claim the extra adrenaline (Epinephrine to USA) or testosterone was natural or unfair advantage.
Popular claiim running abourt here was the chinese girl who beat the swimming by so much was result of chinese communist breeding profgram from the past finaly bearing results. Mind you russians were also at that and they are not blowing away records. Maybe they just did military stuff.
The whole point of the Olympics is that if you have a natural advantage, you should use it. They don't make tall basketball players play on their knees. They don't make short weightlifters wear 12 inch platform shoes.
Post by: Frumple on August 11, 2012, 09:13:35 pm
Post by: The Mechanical Man on August 11, 2012, 09:22:41 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 11, 2012, 10:21:02 pm
I believe it is scientifically proven that Africans have, on average, a center of gravity higher than Caucasians. This means that they are better sprinters by nature. On the flip side however, the higher center of gravity means that Africans are not as naturally good at swimming. This is why you see Africans dominating the track, but you don't see them at all in Olympic swimming events.the swimming thing is from bone density. It's actually been scientifically proven that Africans or those of African descent are better at running, but for the life of me, I can't remember why.
... Environment? Caucasians in the past seemed to live in mostly mountainous or hilly terrain eg Europe. Africans lived in... Africa, which has a surplus of flat savannas, flat plains, and other places that are pretty flat. Not saying there are no mountains there, which there are, but it seems the majority of the terrain is mostly flat.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 11, 2012, 10:22:47 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 11, 2012, 10:26:57 pm
I was taught that adrenaline is the name for the actual chemical and epinephrine is used for the artificial form, similar to how hydrocortisone is the name for the artificial form of cortisol.
Yes, that is also what I've heard. Epinephrine is what they give me for bee stings (I'm allergic, like probably a third of you) and it is just artifical adrenaline. But you can't inject it into your veins or you'll die. Trippy shit, yo.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 11, 2012, 10:37:26 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 11, 2012, 10:39:53 pm
Post by: Mephisto on August 11, 2012, 10:41:01 pm
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1414560-herocraft-plugin-development-ddosd-by-brazilian-craftlandia-server/
"You haven't released a plugin update in the eleven days since the new Minecraft version has been released. We're now going to DDoS you until your development team quits and people stop playing on your servers." Not an exact quote, but close enough. The stupidity of this person hurts.
Post by: Bdthemag on August 11, 2012, 10:44:01 pm
Cross-posted from the vanilla Minecraft thread:The stupidity of the minecraft community continues to reach increasing levels every week. Seriously, they're really fucking stupid.http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1414560-herocraft-plugin-development-ddosd-by-brazilian-craftlandia-server/
"You haven't released a plugin update in the eleven days since the new Minecraft version has been released. We're now going to DDoS you until your development team quits and people stop playing on your servers." Not an exact quote, but close enough. The stupidity of this person hurts.
Post by: Xantalos on August 12, 2012, 12:34:26 am
Both events would be entirely improved by those adjustments, though. So, uh. Sure, let's do silly things to even stuff out.NOOO! No goddammit don't do Harrison Bergeron!!!
Post by: bombzero on August 12, 2012, 01:09:02 am
The stupidity of the minecraft community continues to reach increasing levels every week. Seriously, they're really fucking stupid.
I honestly wish this crap surprised me though, but its quite clear that the craftlandia fucks are really really shitty human beings.
Post by: Kedly on August 12, 2012, 01:16:33 am
Post by: Reelya on August 12, 2012, 02:19:33 am
So, the attackers are admins, not developers, and see themselves as big-wigs in the server rankings. They're DDoSing some guys who are getting popular by developing a modded version of the game with a unique flavor.
Yeah, they talk big about how "pathetic" the mod is, but why DDoS if it's so pathetic? They definitely feel threatened because they have 1% of the talent/brains of their targets, and know they can't compete if really cool modded servers kick off.
Post by: Megaman on August 12, 2012, 02:41:30 am
Post by: Xantalos on August 12, 2012, 02:46:22 am
Post by: Megaman on August 12, 2012, 02:49:24 am
Post by: Flying Dice on August 12, 2012, 03:04:17 am
Post by: Reelya on August 12, 2012, 03:34:35 am
Post by: scriver on August 12, 2012, 03:50:10 am
We're shielded by the terrible GUI, if you ask me. MC is more user friendly.
I'd believe that if DF players could ever shut up about of they're smarter than everybody else or how it takes intelligence to play it.
Post by: Kedly on August 12, 2012, 03:55:35 am
Post by: bombzero on August 12, 2012, 03:59:15 am
I have noticed a higher level of inteligence in these forums in comparison to other forums I have visited
the average intelligence yes, but really pretty much every forum has about the same number of intelligent people.
the problem is that the more people there are the smaller that group becomes by comparison.
Post by: Kedly on August 12, 2012, 04:04:31 am
Post by: SealyStar on August 12, 2012, 12:55:54 pm
We're shielded by the terrible GUI, if you ask me. MC is more user friendly.
Of course. That's the only reason DF players are almost always smarter than MC players. If Toady added a proper GUI, we would be similarly noob-rushed.
EDIT: To clarify, DF does not make you smarter. It just requires more intelligence in the first place to understand it.
Post by: Zangi on August 12, 2012, 01:00:11 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 12, 2012, 01:17:14 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 12, 2012, 01:18:24 pm
the average intelligence yes, but really pretty much every forum has about the same number of intelligent people.There is only one intelligent person on the internet. All intelligent people on the internet is that one guy.
the problem is that the more people there are the smaller that group becomes by comparison.
Three quick reasons:I believe it is scientifically proven that Africans have, on average, a center of gravity higher than Caucasians. This means that they are better sprinters by nature. On the flip side however, the higher center of gravity means that Africans are not as naturally good at swimming. This is why you see Africans dominating the track, but you don't see them at all in Olympic swimming events.the swimming thing is from bone density. It's actually been scientifically proven that Africans or those of African descent are better at running, but for the life of me, I can't remember why.
- Environment: Africa is quite a few hundred meters above sea level. Averaging around roughly 500 meters. This means the air around it is thinner, further meaning there's less oxygen. This means you need to develop bigger lungs here, and being at altitude helps this. This is why some Athletes go altitude training - on mountains and such before major events;
- Genetics: Old hunter gatherers helped make a great runner's gene pool. For example there was one hunting practice where hunters would literally run down prey until they died from exhaustion or overheated to catch a good meal;
- Cultural: For especially poor areas in Africa, being a sportsman is a low expense job (you need pretty much just run) with potentially great reward, so there's a lot of motivation to produce quality runners.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 12, 2012, 03:02:01 pm
Shh! Don't tell everyone that we're both the same person!the average intelligence yes, but really pretty much every forum has about the same number of intelligent people.There is only one intelligent person on the internet. All intelligent people on the internet is that one guy.
the problem is that the more people there are the smaller that group becomes by comparison.
Post by: SealyStar on August 12, 2012, 03:16:45 pm
the average intelligence yes, but really pretty much every forum has about the same number of intelligent people.There is only one intelligent person on the internet. All intelligent people on the internet is that one guy.
the problem is that the more people there are the smaller that group becomes by comparison.
One guy with very, very, very bad Multiple Personality Disorder.
Also, "Who the hell is KGB?"
Post by: rutsber on August 12, 2012, 07:32:59 pm
Cross-posted from the vanilla Minecraft thread:That thread got deleted now.http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1414560-herocraft-plugin-development-ddosd-by-brazilian-craftlandia-server/
"You haven't released a plugin update in the eleven days since the new Minecraft version has been released. We're now going to DDoS you until your development team quits and people stop playing on your servers." Not an exact quote, but close enough. The stupidity of this person hurts.
Post by: Mephisto on August 12, 2012, 07:59:14 pm
Cross-posted from the vanilla Minecraft thread:That thread got deleted now.http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1414560-herocraft-plugin-development-ddosd-by-brazilian-craftlandia-server/
"You haven't released a plugin update in the eleven days since the new Minecraft version has been released. We're now going to DDoS you until your development team quits and people stop playing on your servers." Not an exact quote, but close enough. The stupidity of this person hurts.
No surprise there. I'm not going to pass along more information on the matter. That's really out of the scope of this thread, despite those from Craftlandia being raging morons.
Anyway, here's a post containing pretty much the same information straight from the horse's
Post by: MaximumZero on August 13, 2012, 03:34:59 am
There's only one problem with that. If you can think of a smart person on the internet, it's not you.Shh! Don't tell everyone that we're both the same person!the average intelligence yes, but really pretty much every forum has about the same number of intelligent people.There is only one intelligent person on the internet. All intelligent people on the internet is that one guy.
the problem is that the more people there are the smaller that group becomes by comparison.
Vector is the only smart person on the internet, and she's not even on the internet anymore. ;_;
Post by: kaijyuu on August 13, 2012, 03:44:35 am
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Post by: kaijyuu on August 13, 2012, 04:18:13 am
Post by: justinlee999 on August 13, 2012, 06:52:59 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 13, 2012, 07:06:42 am
Post by: scriver on August 13, 2012, 07:53:28 am
Post by: justinlee999 on August 14, 2012, 09:28:45 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ZzmXq.jpg)
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 14, 2012, 09:30:30 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 14, 2012, 09:32:23 am
I can give one hell of a spontaneous history lecture, especially if I am angry and people are being ignorant about basic history.
Post by: justinlee999 on August 14, 2012, 09:34:04 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 14, 2012, 09:34:25 am
Post by: justinlee999 on August 14, 2012, 09:37:40 am
They look like they're in their early 20s or so. Or late teenage years.
I suppose the most logical conclusion is that they are trolls.
Post by: Zangi on August 14, 2012, 09:47:31 am
You've just gotta take a look at your local education system... and consider how many people still struggle at passing it...
EDIT: For clarification, in America. Hell yea?
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 14, 2012, 09:49:44 am
Post by: DarkWolfXV on August 14, 2012, 10:01:32 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 14, 2012, 10:05:57 am
Not just education, either. If it's something everyone's expected to have, expect any barriers to be lowered until everyone can get it. Driver's Licenses is a big example of that.
Post by: justinlee999 on August 14, 2012, 10:08:23 am
They know about the olympics, certainly they've watched TV.
They access the internet.
They use Twitter.
How is it even possible to avoid a reference to B.C.?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 14, 2012, 10:09:43 am
As an American highschool student I can honestly tell you: however uneducated and ignorant you think the average American students are, in reality they're much worse.Imagine how stupid the average person is. Now realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 14, 2012, 10:10:22 am
And dumber still, somehow.As an American highschool student I can honestly tell you: however uneducated and ignorant you think the average American students are, in reality they're much worse.Imagine how stupid the average person is. Now realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 14, 2012, 10:13:06 am
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How is it even possible to avoid a reference to B.C.?You'd be surprised at how dumb a lot of people actually are. This girl in my English class thought that one of Shakespeare's plays was written in the 1800s and based on a Disney movie. This was not a miscommunication, she actually thought that not only was Shakespeare alive and writing in the 1800s, but Disney movies were also being made at that time and Shakespeare copied the plot to one of them and made a play.
Post by: justinlee999 on August 14, 2012, 10:21:02 am
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Post by: scriver on August 14, 2012, 10:27:07 am
Post by: Frumple on August 14, 2012, 10:33:23 am
Gods only know I wish I could shift all the blame onto someone else (High school did almost everything in its power to cripple me for higher education and actual society), ultimately, the knowledge is there if you seek to find it. To not have it is to not want it, or at the very best not have the will and energy to find it.
Post by: Reelya on August 14, 2012, 12:10:34 pm
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Things_Americans_believe.html
"18 percent believe the sun revolves around the Earth."
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 14, 2012, 12:32:05 pm
To add some perspective to ignorance:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Things_Americans_believe.html
"18 percent believe the sun revolves around the Earth."
GG.
Just... GG. Nice knowing you guys, we had a good run.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 14, 2012, 12:37:32 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 14, 2012, 12:43:30 pm
Post by: Reelya on August 14, 2012, 12:56:18 pm
More amusing are the Americans who don't know who the war of independence was fought against, 76% know it was Britain, 20% say they don't know, and about 5-6% authoritatively say one of these nations: "France, Russia, Japan, Mexico, Spain or China."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/new-poll-gauges-americans-general-knowledge-levels.aspx
Post by: RedKing on August 14, 2012, 12:59:31 pm
pfft....noob species lrn 2 lrnTo add some perspective to ignorance:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Things_Americans_believe.html
"18 percent believe the sun revolves around the Earth."
GG.
Just... GG. Nice knowing you guys, we had a good run.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 14, 2012, 01:01:20 pm
Obviously the sun orbits the Earth. Why else would it move across the sky like that!?pfft....noob species lrn 2 lrnTo add some perspective to ignorance:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Things_Americans_believe.html
"18 percent believe the sun revolves around the Earth."
GG.
Just... GG. Nice knowing you guys, we had a good run.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 14, 2012, 01:02:45 pm
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Obviously the sun orbits the Earth. Why else would it move across the sky like that!?The Sun god Ra rolls it across the sky. duh.
Post by: RedKing on August 14, 2012, 01:04:29 pm
Cause Jesus only drives in a big circle, right-to-left like the NASCARObviously the sun orbits the Earth. Why else would it move across the sky like that!?pfft....noob species lrn 2 lrnTo add some perspective to ignorance:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Things_Americans_believe.html
"18 percent believe the sun revolves around the Earth."
GG.
Just... GG. Nice knowing you guys, we had a good run.
Post by: Darvi on August 14, 2012, 01:04:38 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 14, 2012, 01:05:57 pm
Blasphemy.QuoteObviously the sun orbits the Earth. Why else would it move across the sky like that!?The Sun god Ra rolls it across the sky. duh.
Everyone knows the Sun is moved across the sky by a Giant Dung Beetle.
Nononono. The Sun and Earth both stay at the same place, but the sunlight keeps getting bent because of gravitational potholes.Gravity is a lie. Instead it is God who pushes us down.*
*Rockets are pointy, and therefore reach space.
Post by: RedKing on August 14, 2012, 01:08:40 pm
Post by: Fenrir on August 14, 2012, 01:09:31 pm
Post by: Darvi on August 14, 2012, 01:18:32 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 14, 2012, 01:20:19 pm
Whatever the truth, I wish the Sun would just slow down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sk%C3%B6ll).Don't give up Fenrir! Some day you'll get it...
Post by: ed boy on August 14, 2012, 04:18:13 pm
Having been through the American public education system, I'm not surprised in the slightest. Not to say that all of the blame lies on the teachers or the government, as there is plenty to heap on parents, societal norms, and the idiots themselves.Having experience both the american and english education systems, I can say that the american system severely lacks in the early years (I have no first hand experience of the later years, but from what I've heard it's behind as well). The english system covers more in the first two years than the american system does in the first four, so much more that I was required to un-learn some of what I had already been taught to fit into the american system. When we finally started covering things that hadn't been covered in england, it was mostly american history and american culture (with a healthy dose of 'america is best' added).
Post by: scriver on August 14, 2012, 04:25:14 pm
Blasphemy.QuoteObviously the sun orbits the Earth. Why else would it move across the sky like that!?The Sun god Ra rolls it across the sky. duh.
Everyone knows the Sun is moved across the sky by a Giant Dung Beetle.
Dung Beetle... Or Dung Scarab?
**MIND BLOWN**
Post by: kaenneth on August 14, 2012, 04:29:44 pm
The earth exerts the same force on the sun, as the sun does on the earth. It's just that the sun is much more massive, so it just moves very slowly.
Post by: Fenrir on August 14, 2012, 04:31:29 pm
When we finally started covering things that hadn't been covered in england, it was mostly american history and american culture (with a healthy dose of 'america is best' added).North America is best America.
Post by: SealyStar on August 14, 2012, 04:48:05 pm
When we finally started covering things that hadn't been covered in england, it was mostly american history and american culture (with a healthy dose of 'america is best' added).North America is best America.
Ah. That made me think about "politically correct" (read: not "America is best") world history. It did a great job of teaching me about the world at large... I remember we had a mock trial for Columbus. It was all going fine until the part eligible for this thread occurred. At a heated moment, a (male) classmate of mine yelled out loud at a (female) "attorney" on the other side:
"WOMAN!"
The stunned silence that followed was the best moment of that entire class ever.
Post by: Corai on August 14, 2012, 04:50:37 pm
When we finally started covering things that hadn't been covered in england, it was mostly american history and american culture (with a healthy dose of 'america is best' added).North America is best America.
Ah. That made me think about "politically correct" (read: not "America is best") world history. It did a great job of teaching me about the world at large... I remember we had a mock trial for Columbus. It was all going fine until the part eligible for this thread occurred. At a heated moment, a (male) classmate of mine yelled out loud at a (female) "attorney" on the other side:
"WOMAN!"
The stunned silence that followed was the best moment of that entire class ever.
Since it was Columbus's time, that is actually acceptable.
Okay must reread history book, must make sure i'm right...
Post by: Drunken on August 14, 2012, 06:40:31 pm
Said with a tone of 'know it all' sarcistic superiority. It was in school, we had only been learning times tables for 2 years.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 14, 2012, 07:47:15 pm
"3 times 3 isn't 6Correct!
3 times 3 is 12YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
IMPUDENT CHILD!
3 TIMES 3 IS SEVEN.
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
Post by: ghjijhg on August 14, 2012, 09:58:30 pm
The quote is in reply #9, near the end of the post.
Post by: Tellemurius on August 14, 2012, 10:10:24 pm
"The earth is not a planet." (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,55198.0.html#.UCsQbd0go4h)I also looked through the posts and found this retort
The quote is in reply #9, near the end of the post.
"Sarah Palin sees Russia from her house"
Post by: Xantalos on August 14, 2012, 10:23:34 pm
"The earth is not a planet." (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,55198.0.html#.UCsQbd0go4h)Also from the same thread: "The universe does not exist"
The quote is in reply #9, near the end of the post.
Wha...DSGSYSARGEDYSERGTRESYTW4Y6356EBSR
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 14, 2012, 10:43:13 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on August 14, 2012, 10:45:03 pm
(Protip: Yes, that site is a joke. I mean, come on now, "Roundy the Truthinessist"?)I figured that out with this line.
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North is Hubwards, South is Rimwards, East is Turnwise, and West is Widdershins.Terry, FTW
Post by: Xantalos on August 14, 2012, 10:54:26 pm
(Protip: Yes, that site is a joke. I mean, come on now, "Roundy the Truthinessist"?)Actually, no. That's what makes this so mind-shattering. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society)
Post by: Hanslanda on August 14, 2012, 10:59:03 pm
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Q: "What about Lunar Eclipses?"
A: A celestial body, known as the antimoon, passes between the sun and moon. This projects a shadow upon the moon.
Q: "What is underneath the Earth?"
A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.
Q: "Are you saying NASA had Photoshop in the 1960s?"
A: Of course not. Back then the pictures taken were of far lower quality and were likely produced using analog means. As the years went by, it's also possible that NASA spent some of its funding on developing more advanced computers and imaging software for creating pictures.
PLEASE NOTE: This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF.
Q: "No one could possibly pull off such a conspiracy successfully."
A: Actually, they could.
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Post by: penguinofhonor on August 14, 2012, 11:01:44 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 14, 2012, 11:04:59 pm
Post by: Kamin on August 14, 2012, 11:05:54 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Post by: Xantalos on August 14, 2012, 11:07:26 pm
Post by: Xantalos on August 14, 2012, 11:08:06 pm
I always thought this was fake or sarcastic. Am I wrong to continue believing so? ???For the sake of Armok, let it exist only in South Park.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Post by: Frumple on August 14, 2012, 11:09:48 pm
Yes! The forums don't exist! Please let it be so... But seriously, let's all agree that it's sarcasm, as I have no intention of using Hanslanda as a blood cannon anytime soon.What the buggery... is "blood cannon" some kind of euphemism? Because it sounds like one.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 14, 2012, 11:10:58 pm
I always thought this was fake or sarcastic. Am I wrong to continue believing so? ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
No, I think that one is real. Sick, twisted, and wrong, but real.
Yes! The forums don't exist! Please let it be so... But seriously, let's all agree that it's sarcasm, as I have no intention of using Hanslanda as a blood cannon anytime soon.What the buggery... is "blood cannon" some kind of euphemism? Because it sounds like one.
Ahem. Awwwwkward.
I always thought this was fake or sarcastic. Am I wrong to continue believing so? ???For the sake of Armok, let it exist only in South Park.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
I don't think so. I believe it is real, unfortunately.
Post by: Xantalos on August 14, 2012, 11:13:31 pm
WHY, FRUMPLE? WHYYYYYY? Why did you do that to my poor cognitive proccesor?I always thought this was fake or sarcastic. Am I wrong to continue believing so? ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
No, I think that one is real. Sick, twisted, and wrong, but real.Yes! The forums don't exist! Please let it be so... But seriously, let's all agree that it's sarcasm, as I have no intention of using Hanslanda as a blood cannon anytime soon.What the buggery... is "blood cannon" some kind of euphemism? Because it sounds like one.
Ahem. Awwwwkward.
Post by: Kamin on August 14, 2012, 11:14:58 pm
WHY, FRUMPLE? WHYYYYYY? Why did you do that to my poor cognitive proccesor?I always thought this was fake or sarcastic. Am I wrong to continue believing so? ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
No, I think that one is real. Sick, twisted, and wrong, but real.Yes! The forums don't exist! Please let it be so... But seriously, let's all agree that it's sarcasm, as I have no intention of using Hanslanda as a blood cannon anytime soon.What the buggery... is "blood cannon" some kind of euphemism? Because it sounds like one.
Ahem. Awwwwkward.
A part of the eternal boychild deep within my heart just died.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 14, 2012, 11:21:06 pm
*Sickening ba-dum-tish*
Post by: crazysheep on August 14, 2012, 11:23:28 pm
Post by: Xantalos on August 14, 2012, 11:24:53 pm
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Look! A distraction! (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2fjLrL8Wcj8/Thgw_1H9XyI/AAAAAAAAAPA/MSmmxizJutU/s1600/Distraction.jpg)
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 14, 2012, 11:27:12 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 14, 2012, 11:29:39 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 14, 2012, 11:30:10 pm
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Look! A distraction!
That's me. In the suit. Not the one in the dress.
Post by: Fenrir on August 14, 2012, 11:30:21 pm
All trolldwarfship is of the highest quality.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 14, 2012, 11:31:26 pm
The FES tells us that the Sun and the Moon are spotlights on the Earth, but then they insist that the shadows on the moon are cast by something between the Sun and the Moon.
All trolldwarfship is of the highest quality.
And then they refused to refute the fact that something between the earth/sun/moon would also block out stars, which it doesn't.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 14, 2012, 11:35:08 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 14, 2012, 11:38:33 pm
I'm still tremendously impressed by that dress every time I see it. You should have made a doritos suit to match it.
I'm not near as crafty as she is. I did dress as a zombie with her more than a few times. Including one time for a cardboard boat race. That... That went well.
The dress took her a couple months to make. Mostly it was gathering the dorito bags that took the longest. She was going around school policing trashcans for them. Then she layered them with some kind of material and laminated them. It was interesting to feel, kinda crinkly but tough too.
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 14, 2012, 11:44:16 pm
more coothing stuff
excessive use of bacon (http://www.thebluehouseblog.com/2011/12/and-bride-wore-bacon.html)
Girl in bacon dress (http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/361/c/6/my_bacon_dress_by_hakuchan-d4kdfw5.jpg)
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 15, 2012, 12:23:32 am
I'm still tremendously impressed by that dress every time I see it. You should have made a doritos suit to match it.
I'm not near as crafty as she is. I did dress as a zombie with her more than a few times. Including one time for a cardboard boat race. That... That went well.
The dress took her a couple months to make. Mostly it was gathering the dorito bags that took the longest. She was going around school policing trashcans for them. Then she layered them with some kind of material and laminated them. It was interesting to feel, kinda crinkly but tough too.
For senior prom in our school, one couple made a matching suit and dress entirely out of duct tape.
Also it sounds like she should have befriended some stoners to get a source of materials.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 15, 2012, 12:25:58 am
Excuse me, I'm not sure we've met before. I'm Hans Landa, and I have drug related felonies on my record. :P
She already thought of that.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 15, 2012, 12:44:35 am
Post by: Blargityblarg on August 15, 2012, 12:46:31 am
One stoner does not make a dorito dress.
Give him enough tiny, triangular clothes and I think you'll find you're wrong.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 15, 2012, 12:54:58 am
One stoner does not make a dorito dress.
Give him enough tiny, triangular clothes and I think you'll find you're wrong.
And I have stoner friends. And stoner acquaintances. And stoner nemesi. Nemesises? How the hell do you pluralize 'nemesis'?
Post by: Kamin on August 15, 2012, 01:00:51 am
One stoner does not make a dorito dress.
Give him enough tiny, triangular clothes and I think you'll find you're wrong.
And I have stoner friends. And stoner acquaintances. And stoner nemesi. Nemesises? How the hell do you pluralize 'nemesis'?
"Nemeses."
Post by: Scelly9 on August 15, 2012, 01:07:24 am
Post by: Reelya on August 15, 2012, 01:13:28 am
The FES tells us that the Sun and the Moon are spotlights on the Earth, but then they insist that the shadows on the moon are cast by something between the Sun and the Moon.
All trolldwarfship is of the highest quality.
And then they refused to refute the fact that something between the earth/sun/moon would also block out stars, which it doesn't.
Actually, they really should just say that all sunlight is repulsed from the Earth, which would explain why the sun seems to set and rise, and why there is a horizon, since light would travel in parabolic arcs, but would also explain how light from the sun to the moon is blocked by the Earth even though it's not physically in-between. And no need for the anti-moon.
I think it wouldn't be too hard to come up with some workable equations for all this (well not too hard for us, maybe too hard for the flat earth people).
Post by: darkrider2 on August 15, 2012, 01:15:18 am
Post by: scriver on August 15, 2012, 02:38:02 am
Post by: DarkWolfXV on August 15, 2012, 07:51:39 am
A FUCKING BIG BLOOD BOIL.
I dont know how these people can live with such stupidity.
Post by: Truean on August 15, 2012, 08:09:49 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 15, 2012, 08:44:55 am
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The dress took her a couple months to make. Mostly it was gathering the dorito bags that took the longest. She was going around school policing trashcans for them. Then she layered them with some kind of material and laminated them. It was interesting to feel, kinda crinkly but tough too.It's a good thing she found all the materials in time; if she hadn't she would have bitten your cat to death then run around stark raving mad until she died of hunger. How many Dwarfbucks is that thing worth anyway?
Post by: SealyStar on August 15, 2012, 10:30:33 am
One stoner does not make a dorito dress.
Give him enough tiny, triangular clothes and I think you'll find you're wrong.
And I have stoner friends. And stoner acquaintances. And stoner nemesi. Nemesises? How the hell do you pluralize 'nemesis'?
Both in response and on-topic, I cry a little when people use incorrect Latin-oid plurals, both in English and (Dog) Latin. For example, -i is only the acceptable plural for most (not all) nouns ending in -us in the singular. Some actually have completely irregular plurals, like octopus/octopodes or tempus/tempora. And ones in the fourth declension should be written (but not pronounced) identically in both singular and plural, like "status". If it ends in -is, the plural is -es (I feel like choking someone when I see "thesii" or "axii"). And -x becomes -ces or -ges (phalanges, matrices, vortices). But the gravest sin of all is "omnibi". Since "omnibus" is already plural in Latin, multiple ones actually should be pluralized as in English. Same with "viruses" (although that's actually a mass noun).
Post by: RedKing on August 15, 2012, 10:39:49 am
Although according to Wiktionary, the nominative plural in Latin would be nemesēs, which sounds right. But I'm curious how they have Latin declensions of a Greek word.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 15, 2012, 10:48:30 am
Hanslanda you need a pipe in that picture, I just can't picture you without one ever since you got that new avatar.
I'm not sure I can legally own pipes right now. But it is totally one of my life goals to buy a huge ass pipe like that one ASAP.
QuoteThe dress took her a couple months to make. Mostly it was gathering the dorito bags that took the longest. She was going around school policing trashcans for them. Then she layered them with some kind of material and laminated them. It was interesting to feel, kinda crinkly but tough too.It's a good thing she found all the materials in time; if she hadn't she would have bitten your cat to death then run around stark raving mad until she died of hunger. How many Dwarfbucks is that thing worth anyway?
Lol, ironic you say that, as I said, we used to dress as zombies. That would have been some slightly meta shit right there. Also, I think it's priceless to her, she ain't gonna sell it.
....but Nemesis is Greek. :-\
Although according to Wiktionary, the nominative plural in Latin would be nemesēs, which sounds right. But I'm curious how they have Latin declensions of a Greek word.
Its just like television. People nowadays bastardize language to make it fit the way they want, root language be damned.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 15, 2012, 10:58:21 am
Post by: Hanslanda on August 15, 2012, 11:04:09 am
Post by: Reelya on August 15, 2012, 02:01:16 pm
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Decoded.co's testimonials page is particularly funny:
'I really feel like I could talk credibly to a coder, given we can now actually speak the same language.'
Best stupidity highlighted.
Yeah and learning the first 3 letters of the alphabet makes you able to talk credibly with an English literature professor about James Joyce's Ulysses.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 15, 2012, 02:03:32 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 15, 2012, 02:04:36 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 15, 2012, 02:08:48 pm
I wonder if he actually thinks programmers talk in programming languages.Psh, everyone knows they talk in binary.
Post by: RedKing on August 15, 2012, 02:10:59 pm
01000100 01101111 01101110 00100111 01110100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00111111I wonder if he actually thinks programmers talk in programming languages.Psh, everyone knows they talk in binary.
Post by: scriver on August 15, 2012, 02:13:20 pm
....but Nemesis is Greek. :-\
Although according to Wiktionary, the nominative plural in Latin would be nemesēs, which sounds right. But I'm curious how they have Latin declensions of a Greek word.
Because 99,9% of all "Greek" words reached us through Latin, I'd hazard a guess.
Both in response and on-topic, I cry a little when people use incorrect Latin-oid plurals, both in English and (Dog) Latin.
That's just silly. You're talking Modern English, not Latin. Modern English standards overrule the Latin grammar. Complaining about "faulty" Latin is the same as complaining you don't bend words like in Old English any more.
....but Nemesis is Greek. :-\
Although according to Wiktionary, the nominative plural in Latin would be nemesēs, which sounds right. But I'm curious how they have Latin declensions of a Greek word.
Its just like television. People nowadays bastardize language to make it fit the way they want, root language be damned.
...That's how languages work. All of them. Everywhere. Everytime. It's called change, evolution, progress. It's nothing bad. It's not "bastardisation". But if it were, I'd appreciate the bitter irony of somebody using "-ize" instead of "-ise" while saying it.
I wonder if he actually thinks programmers talk in programming languages.
No.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 15, 2012, 02:22:15 pm
I wonder if he actually thinks programmers talk in programming languages.
When I read that you had the facepalming Sollux avatar.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 15, 2012, 03:49:49 pm
New OVI (DUI) case. I explain that for second offense it's a mandatory 10 day jail minimum, and that I won't lie to him it's going to be hard. Also if you refuse the blow test there's a 1 year mandatory suspension of license. Further, several judges will actually increase the sentence if you refuse the blow test and are found guilty, but it really does vary by the judge (magistrate but whatever, I'm not confusing the guy with that right now). Also you really need to get into AA or something."Well, I could, but you can't pay me enough for that service." There. That shuts him up, and you get to innuendo him.
"So you can get me off right?" ~ Guy.
??? You just ... keep on hearing what you wanna hear don't ya?
Post by: SealyStar on August 15, 2012, 05:01:21 pm
....but Nemesis is Greek. :-\
Although according to Wiktionary, the nominative plural in Latin would be nemesēs, which sounds right. But I'm curious how they have Latin declensions of a Greek word.
There are a lot of Latinized Greek words, and many times the English word came from that Latin form rather than directly from Greek. Also, the -es ending is standard in both languages' third declension. So, direct origin aside, it's still "nemeses", not "nemisii". "Thesis/theses" is the exact same-from Greek through Latin, and both languages have it declined similarly.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 15, 2012, 06:50:27 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 15, 2012, 06:54:16 pm
Post by: Truean on August 15, 2012, 06:56:25 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 15, 2012, 07:04:21 pm
New OVI (DUI) case. I explain that for second offense it's a mandatory 10 day jail minimum, and that I won't lie to him it's going to be hard.10 days? It can't be that hard to last ten days in prison, can it? That isn't even two weeks.
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Also if you refuse the blow test there's a 1 year mandatory suspension of license.If convicted, or just for refusing? If the latter, what the hell?
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Further, several judges will actually increase the sentence if you refuse the blow test and are found guilty, but it really does vary by the judge (magistrate but whatever, I'm not confusing the guy with that right now).That seems unconstitutional. If you have the right to refuse the test, choose to exercise it, and are later punished for it, aren't your rights under the EPC violated? It's like increasing someone's sentence for not talking to the police and then getting convicted.
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Also you really need to get into AA or something.AA is actually fairly ineffective and was started by a guy who wanted everyone to replace alcohol with Jesus.
Post by: darkrider2 on August 15, 2012, 07:08:24 pm
QuoteAlso you really need to get into AA or something.AA is actually fairly ineffective and was started by a guy who wanted everyone to replace alcohol with Jesus.
"Alcoholism is a disease"
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 15, 2012, 07:10:59 pm
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AA is actually fairly ineffective and was started by a guy who wanted everyone to replace alcohol with Jesus.That's a stupid strategy, Jesus is an alcoholic's best friend! He can turn all that boring water into delicious habit-prolonging wine.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 15, 2012, 07:36:08 pm
"Homosexuality is a disease."QuoteAlso you really need to get into AA or something.AA is actually fairly ineffective and was started by a guy who wanted everyone to replace alcohol with Jesus.
"Alcoholism is a disease"
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 15, 2012, 08:29:44 pm
For only 100 payments of $99 each,
I can solve your problem and make you welcome back to society again.
Phone 76253045 now!*
Clue in number
Post by: Descan on August 15, 2012, 09:10:03 pm
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Post by: Criptfeind on August 15, 2012, 09:12:37 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 15, 2012, 09:12:44 pm
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Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 15, 2012, 09:22:44 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 15, 2012, 09:27:02 pm
New OVI (DUI) case. I explain that for second offense it's a mandatory 10 day jail minimum, and that I won't lie to him it's going to be hard.10 days? It can't be that hard to last ten days in prison, can it? That isn't even two weeks.QuoteAlso if you refuse the blow test there's a 1 year mandatory suspension of license.If convicted, or just for refusing? If the latter, what the hell?QuoteFurther, several judges will actually increase the sentence if you refuse the blow test and are found guilty, but it really does vary by the judge (magistrate but whatever, I'm not confusing the guy with that right now).That seems unconstitutional. If you have the right to refuse the test, choose to exercise it, and are later punished for it, aren't your rights under the EPC violated? It's like increasing someone's sentence for not talking to the police and then getting convicted.QuoteAlso you really need to get into AA or something.AA is actually fairly ineffective and was started by a guy who wanted everyone to replace alcohol with Jesus.
Ten days in jail is a boring vacation. That guy is a wuss.
Just for refusing.
It probably is. It doesn't matter much, because the whole system does it, and you can't fight the whole system.
AA is incredibly ineffective for an atheist like me. It makes me want to drink because everyone's all 'God this' and 'Pray that.'
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on August 15, 2012, 09:35:59 pm
Only if that love is with someone of the same sex./me applauds.
That was excellently done.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 15, 2012, 09:41:56 pm
Ten days in jail is a boring vacation. That guy is a wuss.I guess it would depend on what kind of prison it was. If they're shipping him to maximum security, ten days could be pretty terrifying, but medium or minimum shouldn't be that difficult to survive in.
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Just for refusing.Then that is an extrajudicial punishment and very unconstitutional.
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It probably is. It doesn't matter much, because the whole system does it, and you can't fight the whole system.You can if you get a Supreme Court review on the matter, which could be difficult as it relies upon proving a bias levied by lower judges.
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AA is incredibly ineffective for an atheist like me. It makes me want to drink because everyone's all 'God this' and 'Pray that.'It occurs to me that courts can order you to attend AA, which as it is an organization with a religious bent violates the Establishment Clause.
Why in the world are there so many unconstitutional things surrounding DUI procedure?
Post by: Hanslanda on August 15, 2012, 09:48:33 pm
And yeah, it is.
I'm almost a felon. We'd be better off getting Truean to do it. :P
They can order you to attend AA, which is a religious organization, and also one that relies on anonymity. They then force you to keep a sheet saying you went to a meeting, and they can call the chairperson to ask if you were in a meeting. A meeting that no one is supposed to say anyone was at. Because of anonymity. Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of AA.
They're not allowed to tell the caller if you were there or not. So they can just send you to fucking jail because some ex-alcoholic wouldn't violate the rules of the club. Isn't the justice system so organized, well thought out, and efficient?
Post by: darkrider2 on August 15, 2012, 10:03:10 pm
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 15, 2012, 10:16:16 pm
Post by: Truean on August 15, 2012, 10:22:20 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 15, 2012, 10:24:23 pm
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The refusal of the breath test is a mandatory 1 year license suspension in that particular case. Here one is presumed to consent by virtue of merely having a driver's license and driving upon the roads. Should this be unconstitutional? I believe so. Why is it not, because a judge would be lynched if he said it were not by groups of people who hate the very souls of drunk drivers. MehSo you're saying someone in America should be allowed to drive drunk, then refuse a breath test, and get off without punishment?
Post by: Hanslanda on August 15, 2012, 10:24:41 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 15, 2012, 10:27:19 pm
The refusal of the breath test is a mandatory 1 year license suspension in that particular case. Here one is presumed to consent by virtue of merely having a driver's license and driving upon the roads. Should this be unconstitutional? I believe so. Why is it not, because a judge would be lynched if he said it were not by groups of people who hate the very souls of drunk drivers. Meh.I don't see why the unpopularity is such a problem with making a very clear ruling in this instance. That judges rule until death, retirement, or disbarment, are appointed instead of elected, and can do almost anything without fear of being challenged is all in the name of facilitating objective rulings free of public bias or threat.
What are MADD going to do, protest? You can't protest a judge out of office.
So you're saying someone in America should be punished without trial for exercising their rights?QuoteThe refusal of the breath test is a mandatory 1 year license suspension in that particular case. Here one is presumed to consent by virtue of merely having a driver's license and driving upon the roads. Should this be unconstitutional? I believe so. Why is it not, because a judge would be lynched if he said it were not by groups of people who hate the very souls of drunk drivers. MehSo you're saying someone in America should be allowed to drive drunk, then refuse a breath test, and get off without punishment?
Post by: Reelya on August 15, 2012, 10:29:33 pm
The courts were going to throw the charges out due to the illegal searches, so the state parliament passed a special retro-active law, that said that police could search premises "on suspicion" of a criminal act having been conducted, and apply for a search warrant only if, and after, evidence was found.
They knew exactly what they were doing when they raided the houses without search warrants, and then the state government used the divisive "pedohpile" issue to ram through laws enabling police to kick any door in without court issued warrants, for any "suspected" crime. e.g. drugs. Me and my friend were both outraged, but a third friend who wasn't so bright, was cheering on the new law: "but it's a law against pedophiles!".
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 15, 2012, 10:31:15 pm
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So you're saying someone in America should be punished without trial for exercising their rights?Not necessarily, but if they refuse to take the breath test what do you think should happen to them? If someone is refusing a test it is pretty much exclusively because they are in fact drunk, breaking the law and endangering the lives of innocent drivers. If they don't take the test then, then evidence of their crime is being lost.
Post by: Truean on August 15, 2012, 10:34:21 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 15, 2012, 10:36:54 pm
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No.Well when you accept a drivers license (at least in my state), you are agreeing to either take a breath test or have your license revoked for a year if you are pulled over and suspected of DUI.
I'm saying there should be a probable cause requirement rather than BS implied consent. Don't call it "consent" when it isn't. I'm saying they shouldn't make an exception to the search rules to bow to popular demand.
Also the country doesn't have uniform laws, so as far as my state goes only....
Post by: Hanslanda on August 15, 2012, 10:37:51 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 15, 2012, 10:39:47 pm
Not necessarily, but if they refuse to take the breath test what do you think should happen to them?If the police cannot prove reasonable suspicion of illegal drunkenness? Nothing. If they can, they can make an arrest and get a warrant for a test from the magistrate. Obviously this will lead to reduced sentences, but liberty trumps justice.
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If someone is refusing a test it is pretty much exclusively because they are in fact drunk, breaking the law and endangering the lives of innocent drivers.Not really. Some people wish to minimize interaction with the police since interacting with the police tends to lead to you being arrested. If I drove and could do so without having my license unjustly suspended I would refuse such a test regardless of the circumstances.
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If they don't take the test then, then evidence of their crime is being lost.If suspects cannot be compelled to answer questions in interrogation, evidence of crimes is being lost. Does that mean you shouldn't have the right to remain silent anyway? No, of course not. As before, I stand by my principle: Liberty trumps justice.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 15, 2012, 10:41:21 pm
Post by: Reelya on August 15, 2012, 10:41:52 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on August 15, 2012, 10:42:37 pm
There was. Maybe it's just because I'm younger than you guys or maybe it's because I'm in a different state or something, but when I went to the DMV I had to agree to either take a breath test or get my license suspended if I was pulled over and suspected of being drunk.Colorado and Utah i know won't issue a license if you do not agree to take mandatory breath tests
Post by: Truean on August 15, 2012, 10:52:16 pm
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 15, 2012, 10:52:59 pm
Not really something they said but Some new Cadillacs have completely touchscreen controls on the dash (http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/08/14/0350225/touch-interfaces-in-cars-difficult-to-use), which basically means you have to take your eyes off the road to click the buttons since they have no tactile feel. if mobile phones, even hands-free is too distracting/dangerous, then obviously visual-only touchscreen buttons to control things in the actual car is a bad idea.http://www.gizmag.com/disney-revel-virtual-texture/23621/
might be answer
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 15, 2012, 10:53:41 pm
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Rerail?Yes please
Post by: Mephisto on August 15, 2012, 11:47:58 pm
Not really something they said but Some new Cadillacs have completely touchscreen controls on the dash (http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/08/14/0350225/touch-interfaces-in-cars-difficult-to-use), which basically means you have to take your eyes off the road to click the buttons since they have no tactile feel. if mobile phones, even hands-free is too distracting/dangerous, then obviously visual-only touchscreen buttons to control things in the actual car is a bad idea.
Reminds me of something that passes for "news" nowadays. A guy got arrested because an attractive lady walked past his car with a very short skirt and he looked. It was a distraction and you can't take your eyes off of the road for any cause. Seems like this makes a case for getting rid of all those distracting billboards and most of the distracting signage on the highways.
Belated question: is it okay to post stupid acts and rulings as well as stupid things people say? I seem to have already done that.
Post by: The Fool on August 16, 2012, 01:40:34 am
Post by: darkrider2 on August 16, 2012, 01:43:59 am
Not really something they said but Some new Cadillacs have completely touchscreen controls on the dash (http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/08/14/0350225/touch-interfaces-in-cars-difficult-to-use), which basically means you have to take your eyes off the road to click the buttons since they have no tactile feel. if mobile phones, even hands-free is too distracting/dangerous, then obviously visual-only touchscreen buttons to control things in the actual car is a bad idea.
Reminds me of something that passes for "news" nowadays. A guy got arrested because an attractive lady walked past his car with a very short skirt and he looked. It was a distraction and you can't take your eyes off of the road for any cause. Seems like this makes a case for getting rid of all those distracting billboards and most of the distracting signage on the highways.
Wasn't that an episode of Sienfeld?
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on August 16, 2012, 02:11:44 am
Post by: darkrider2 on August 16, 2012, 02:59:01 am
All (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKh0P9o6y18) of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeOogQJn9Q&feature=fvwrel) this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoefHNRAoQ&feature=relmfu) thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPzYVzOUkf8&feature=fvwrel) here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHPTiYJYnGU&feature=fvwrel)
Oh so its true, other countries really do make fun of us for that?
I was always curious.
Post by: Megaman on August 16, 2012, 03:12:41 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 16, 2012, 03:17:54 am
Post by: Kamin on August 16, 2012, 03:31:13 am
All (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKh0P9o6y18) of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeOogQJn9Q&feature=fvwrel) this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoefHNRAoQ&feature=relmfu) thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPzYVzOUkf8&feature=fvwrel) here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHPTiYJYnGU&feature=fvwrel)What the fuck did I just watch?
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 16, 2012, 06:57:28 am
The what was the huh?All (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKh0P9o6y18) of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeOogQJn9Q&feature=fvwrel) this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoefHNRAoQ&feature=relmfu) thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPzYVzOUkf8&feature=fvwrel) here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHPTiYJYnGU&feature=fvwrel)What the fuck did I just watch?
Post by: Reelya on August 16, 2012, 07:22:57 am
All (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKh0P9o6y18) of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeOogQJn9Q&feature=fvwrel) this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoefHNRAoQ&feature=relmfu) thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPzYVzOUkf8&feature=fvwrel) here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHPTiYJYnGU&feature=fvwrel)Had to link our pals the chaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJyo1gV3Z5I&feature=related)
Post by: MaximumZero on August 16, 2012, 09:16:11 am
Why not? We do it all the time. See: Jaywalking with Jay Leno. (It's probably really the only pseudo-funny thing he does.)All (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKh0P9o6y18) of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeOogQJn9Q&feature=fvwrel) this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoefHNRAoQ&feature=relmfu) thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPzYVzOUkf8&feature=fvwrel) here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHPTiYJYnGU&feature=fvwrel)
Oh so its true, other countries really do make fun of us for that?
I was always curious.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 16, 2012, 09:19:43 am
Post by: Zangi on August 16, 2012, 09:43:21 am
There is also the kickstarter videos about the portrayal of women in games, massive hate and pushback there.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 16, 2012, 11:03:38 am
Post by: Hanslanda on August 16, 2012, 11:27:40 am
Tvtropes calls this "Bile Fascination". No, I'm not going to link you.
This is total Schmuck Bait.
Post by: Scelly9 on August 16, 2012, 12:02:01 pm
Heh. No, I think you wanted this: Spoiler (click to show/hide)Tvtropes calls this "Bile Fascination". No, I'm not going to link you.
This is total Schmuck Bait.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 16, 2012, 12:03:20 pm
Or does that have to do with what forum scheme I'm using?
Post by: Scelly9 on August 16, 2012, 12:04:01 pm
Post by: Fenrir on August 16, 2012, 12:06:28 pm
oh hai im schmuck. im in ur forumz takin ur bait.
Post by: Darvi on August 16, 2012, 12:24:18 pm
Would've worked better if a) I didn't use Darkling and b) you put the "spoiler" in a different line.Heh. No, I think you wanted this: Spoiler (click to show/hide)Tvtropes calls this "Bile Fascination". No, I'm not going to link you.
This is total Schmuck Bait.
Post by: darkrider2 on August 16, 2012, 12:31:00 pm
Post by: Nilik on August 16, 2012, 07:31:04 pm
:o
Oh and then a few weeks before that she was looking at a map of earth at night and said "that's America, right?" pointing at Africa. Her excuse was apparently they look different at night.
I'm now hoping she's not going senile or something.
Post by: Reelya on August 16, 2012, 08:16:49 pm
"I never realized North Korea was so much larger than South Korea"
<while pointing at Australia & Tasmania on a map>
Post by: Hanslanda on August 16, 2012, 08:17:54 pm
@Kamin, I can't go on any longer without saying this, but your avatar is hilarious.
It's even better when it invades your dreams.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 16, 2012, 08:44:05 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 16, 2012, 08:48:28 pm
How have I not paid more attention to this fantastic avatar before?
It's subtle, yet invasive at the same time. One day you will be surrround by a thousand hungry mantises, there compound eyes staring deep into your soul. As the silence becomes unbearable, a single mantis will say, "Lololololololo... Noob."
And then they'll eat you alive.
Post by: darkrider2 on August 16, 2012, 09:20:07 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 16, 2012, 09:37:38 pm
One time a friend asked me how the sun was able to burn if there's no oxygen in space.
Please tell me you explained to him that it's fusion of hydrogen atoms!
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 16, 2012, 09:40:10 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 16, 2012, 09:40:45 pm
I thought the Sun ran on Christmas cheer...
No silly, the Sun runs on the blood of human sacrifices.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 16, 2012, 09:41:00 pm
One time a friend asked me how the sun was able to burn if there's no oxygen in space.
Please tell me you explained to him that it's fusion of hydrogen atoms!
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 16, 2012, 09:42:29 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 16, 2012, 09:44:30 pm
I bet you guys are all a bunch of those crackpot conspiracy theorists who believe we never landed on the Sun.Oh yeah, well if we landed on the sun, why isn't Mercury in any of the pictures? Huh!? Huh!?
Post by: SealyStar on August 16, 2012, 09:45:52 pm
One time a friend asked me how the sun was able to burn if there's no oxygen in space.
Please tell me you explained to him that it's fusion of hydrogen atoms!
I think the poor guy's brain'd explode.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 16, 2012, 09:46:41 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 16, 2012, 09:51:23 pm
Oh so you're also one of those crazy tinfoil hat-wearing maniacs who believes in "Mercury"?Oh please, if Mercury doesn't exist, who delivers text messages?
Post by: Hanslanda on August 16, 2012, 09:52:44 pm
Post by: Corai on August 16, 2012, 09:53:44 pm
You're all those crazy morons who believe the world isn't flat and carried on the backs of four turtles and an elephant.
You're insane. The world isn't flat OR carried on the backs of four turtles and a elephant.
Its a cube & carried on the backs of five goldfish.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 16, 2012, 09:54:30 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 16, 2012, 09:55:52 pm
You're all those crazy morons who believe the world isn't flat and carried on the backs of four turtles and an elephant.
You're insane. The world isn't flat OR carried on the backs of four turtles and a elephant.
Its a cube & carried on the backs of five goldfish.
Oh yeah? Then explain the Ice Wall.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 16, 2012, 09:56:32 pm
As stated in the Constitution, it is the President's duty to personally deliver all of America's text messages. That's why Europeans and Canadians can't send texts.Europeans and Canadians can't send texts because they were placed under a gypsie's curse by the Quebecers after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Go back to school, you obviously need it.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 16, 2012, 09:57:01 pm
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Oh yeah? Then explain the Ice Wall.That's not ice, it's glass. Glass like a FISH bowl's.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 16, 2012, 10:00:20 pm
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Europeans and Canadians can't send texts because they were placed under a gypsie's curse by the Quebecers after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Go back to school, you obviously need it.Nah I was just joking with you xD of course I know about the great European-Canadian gypsy curse of 2046. I'm glad those dirty French got what they deserved for bombing Pearl Harbor; it was our most important Mars colony after all.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 16, 2012, 10:00:57 pm
Post by: Corai on August 16, 2012, 10:05:32 pm
Guys, you're all missing the point. The point is that- OH MY GOD SHINY THINGS! DIBS!
MINE. MIIIIIIINE.
Post by: Kamin on August 16, 2012, 10:32:08 pm
I am very happy you like mantids, Dark. As you may have noticed, Hans is already quite familiar with us--we frequent the depths of his very dreams.@Kamin, I can't go on any longer without saying this, but your avatar is hilarious.
It's even better when it invades your dreams.
I am a simple man who errs on the side of subtlety.How have I not paid more attention to this fantastic avatar before?
It's subtle, yet invasive at the same time. One day you will be surrround by a thousand hungry mantises, there compound eyes staring deep into your soul. As the silence becomes unbearable, a single mantis will say, "Lololololololo... Noob."
And then they'll eat you alive.
...lololololo...
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 16, 2012, 10:33:40 pm
Wait, shinies?
GIMEDAT! I WILL BATHE IN SILVER!
Post by: Descan on August 16, 2012, 10:34:04 pm
... Whoops.
Post by: Kamin on August 16, 2012, 10:36:34 pm
/me walks around Kamin's home, hears a distinct crunching sound.
... Whoops.
You will pay for your transgressions, Descan. You will pay.
No, but seriously, knock next time so I can vacuum up all of the Ruffles crumbs on the carpet.
Post by: Descan on August 16, 2012, 10:39:23 pm
... That's cool. Better than a giant mantis. @_@
Post by: Kamin on August 16, 2012, 10:40:37 pm
I just imagined a tiny mantis on a giant vacuum.Vroooom!
... That's cool. Better than a giant mantis. @_@
Post by: Remalle on August 16, 2012, 10:41:39 pm
I just imagined a tiny mantis on a giant vacuum.What about a giant mantis riding a tiny vacuum? While circus music plays?
... That's cool. Better than a giant mantis. @_@
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 16, 2012, 10:49:37 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 16, 2012, 10:51:23 pm
Speaking of giant mantises, how can I insure my soul?
I suggest a phylactery that looks like an ordinary rock, hidden in a field of rocks, with spells cast on it to prevent it from showing up on Detect Magic spells.
Post by: alway on August 16, 2012, 11:24:24 pm
Speaking of giant mantises, how can I insure my soul?Well, good sir, have a talk with one of our sales representatives today! For a low, affordable, monthly price, our Premier Soul InsuranceTM will have you covered! If your soul is lost, stolen, or damaged, just come down to our office and we can replace it with a brand new one at no cost to you! You keep a spare tire in your car, do you not? Your soul is more valuable to you than your car, is it not? Then ask about our Deluxe Plan! For a small, one time fee, we can equip you with an Emergency Soul ReplacementTM! This portable, easy to use device contains within it one replacement soul, similar to what you would get from a trip to our office! A great deal for an on-the-go person, or simply one who lacks the mobility to come to our offices!
Post by: darkrider2 on August 16, 2012, 11:30:15 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 16, 2012, 11:30:39 pm
Great, now EVERY time I read lolololol... etc from the other side of a computer screen I will have it in my head that no matter who it is, a mantis is somewhere out there trolling me.
This is awesome.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 16, 2012, 11:34:08 pm
Post by: Kamin on August 16, 2012, 11:36:07 pm
Great, now EVERY time I read lolololol... etc from the other side of a computer screen I will have it in my head that no matter who it is, a mantis is somewhere out there trolling me.
This is awesome.
lolololol
*click click click click*
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 17, 2012, 12:16:23 am
Oh my god I might be a mantis
Post by: Hanslanda on August 17, 2012, 12:18:21 am
Post by: darkrider2 on August 17, 2012, 12:24:11 am
We're all secretly mantises. Except that one guy. We're trolling the shit out of him.
Oh shit.
lolo---- *SNAP* *HURK* *THUD* ---------- olololololol
Post by: Hanslanda on August 17, 2012, 12:25:59 am
Post by: Sirus on August 17, 2012, 12:31:13 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 17, 2012, 12:32:55 am
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I could post the last page or so here, and it wouldn't be off-topic <_<;;D
Post by: darkrider2 on August 17, 2012, 12:36:21 am
I could post the last page or so here, and it wouldn't be off-topic <_<;
Kamins avatar was so amazing it derailed the entire thread from inside his profile options.
Post by: Kamin on August 17, 2012, 12:37:28 am
Well, you didn't technically hear it... :PQuoteI could post the last page or so here, and it wouldn't be off-topic <_<;;D
Post by: Sirus on August 17, 2012, 12:58:15 am
I'm blind. I have a text-to-speech program on my computer, so yes I did hear it :PWell, you didn't technically hear it... :PQuoteI could post the last page or so here, and it wouldn't be off-topic <_<;;D
The above is an outright fabrication in response to Kamin's terrible excuse ;]
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 17, 2012, 01:01:32 am
Post by: Valid_Dark on August 17, 2012, 01:41:12 am
Post by: darkrider2 on August 17, 2012, 01:44:53 am
I'm blind. I have a text-to-speech program on my computer, so yes I did hear it :PWell, you didn't technically hear it... :PQuoteI could post the last page or so here, and it wouldn't be off-topic <_<;;D
The above is an outright fabrication in response to Kamin's terrible excuse ;]
OH GOD, hearing it would just freak me the fuck out. It's like the mantis is really there!
Post by: Kamin on August 17, 2012, 03:17:39 am
No kidding! Run this next string through your T2S player...OH GOD, hearing it would just freak me the fuck out. It's like the mantis is really there!I'm blind. I have a text-to-speech program on my computer, so yes I did hear it :PWell, you didn't technically hear it... :PQuoteI could post the last page or so here, and it wouldn't be off-topic <_<;;D
The above is an outright fabrication in response to Kamin's terrible excuse ;]
lololololo
Post by: Tibbz2 on August 17, 2012, 09:22:29 am
In response to the Curiosity rover news update.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 17, 2012, 09:23:46 am
"That's fake"If NASA was willing to fake things, we'd have gotten to Alpha Centauri in the '80s.
In response to the Curiosity rover news update.
Post by: Prometheusmfd on August 17, 2012, 09:24:08 am
"That's fake"
In response to the Curiosity rover news update.
Hegabuwah?
Post by: Tibbz2 on August 17, 2012, 09:26:27 am
"That's fake"If NASA was willing to fake things, we'd have gotten to Alpha Centauri in the '80s.
In response to the Curiosity rover news update.
Ikr, I hate having a semi-religious mother.
Post by: RedKing on August 17, 2012, 09:53:32 am
Post by: Flying Dice on August 17, 2012, 10:20:35 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 17, 2012, 10:22:27 am
to quote someone who I can't remember the name of:I believe the correct quote was
'what else do you think they stuck on top of 3000 tonnes of rocket fuel!?'
(regarding people saying Apollo was a hoax)
"Where else do you think they are going on top of 3000 tonnes of rocket fuel."
Can't remember who said it either.
Post by: RedKing on August 17, 2012, 10:31:52 am
Post by: Akura on August 17, 2012, 11:24:11 am
Post by: SealyStar on August 17, 2012, 11:31:23 am
Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/200/420/BRTky.jpg?1321408042)
Also, @above, that's a pretty stupid quote. "Colored", really?
Post by: kaijyuu on August 17, 2012, 11:42:37 am
Anyway, I'd need better context to judge whether that was really racist or not. As it stands, he could've just been wondering why they were still talking about increasing diversity and an honest question about quotas. Of course, it could also have been said with quite a bit of venom, making the meaning quite explicitly racist. Hard to tell with hearsay.
Post by: SealyStar on August 17, 2012, 11:56:13 am
Isn't "colored" a euphemism? Or has it fallen into dysphemism territory?
Anyway, I'd need better context to judge whether that was really racist or not. As it stands, he could've just been wondering why they were still talking about increasing diversity and an honest question about quotas. Of course, it could also have been said with quite a bit of venom, making the meaning quite explicitly racist. Hard to tell with hearsay.
It was intended to be a euphemism, but by the 1970s-80s it had turned firmly into a dysphemism.
Post by: Zangi on August 17, 2012, 11:59:48 am
The Mayans were fueling the Sun! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrifice_in_Maya_culture) December 12, 2012 is when the Sun runs out of fuel... ushering in an ice age that will never end, forcing humanity to live deep underground. To dig ever deeper toward the core as the earth's core cools over the millennia...I thought the Sun ran on Christmas cheer...
No silly, the Sun runs on the blood of human sacrifices.
Or.. a single person learns that he/she must sacrifice humans to resurrect and power the Sun... Taking it upon his/herself... the hero sets out into the world to
Will our hero succeed in their quest... ? Or is Earth doomed to a never ending ice-age?
Post by: Fenrir on August 17, 2012, 12:02:36 pm
Or.. a single person learns that he/she must sacrifice humans to resurrect and power the Sun... Taking it upon his/herself... the hero sets out into the world toPlease step right this way (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?board=15.0), sir.cleanse the land of humanitysave what she can, in the process making life long friends, facing many hardships and making heart-wrenching decisions.
Will our hero succeed in their quest... ? Or is Earth doomed to a never ending ice-age?
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 17, 2012, 12:40:28 pm
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The Mayans were fueling the Sun! December 12, 2012 is when the Sun runs out of fuel... ushering in an ice age that will never end, forcing humanity to live deep underground. To dig ever deeper toward the core as the earth's core cools over the millennia...This sounds like an anime.
Or.. a single person learns that he/she must sacrifice humans to resurrect and power the Sun... Taking it upon his/herself... the hero sets out into the world to cleanse the land of humanitysave what she can, in the process making life long friends, facing many hardships and making heart-wrenching decisions.
Will our hero succeed in their quest... ? Or is Earth doomed to a never ending ice-age?
Post by: RedKing on August 17, 2012, 01:31:13 pm
*note: I'm just saying this is kind of a neat twist on the Mayan scenario. Don't ask me how on Earth the Mayans would have predicted it. Unless they were secretly time-traveling aliens.
Post by: Oliolli on August 17, 2012, 01:37:39 pm
Unless they were secretly time-traveling aliens.
How can one even doubt that?
Post by: Sirus on August 17, 2012, 01:40:28 pm
NO. Can we please avoid another round of "make up the most ridiculous conspiracy theories inter-spaced with discussions of praying manti"? Please?Unless they were secretly time-traveling aliens.
How can one even doubt that?
Post by: RedKing on August 17, 2012, 01:42:13 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 17, 2012, 01:45:38 pm
lolololol
Post by: terkiey on August 17, 2012, 02:16:39 pm
(Most of my enemies think ignorant means that you ignore people... -_-)
Post by: Darvi on August 17, 2012, 02:18:24 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 18, 2012, 11:37:55 am
Post by: Hanslanda on August 18, 2012, 12:22:43 pm
Isn't someone who's ignorant of their own choice an ignoramus?
... So much ignorance. The words are losing all meaning to me.
Edit: Not saying you are ignorant. Just that there is a lot of use of the word ignorant in that sentence.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 18, 2012, 12:30:36 pm
Edit: Not saying you are ignorant. Just that there is a lot of use of the word ignorant in that sentence.That's incredibly ignorant of you to assume I'm not ignorant.
Post by: Oliolli on August 18, 2012, 12:33:55 pm
How much ignorant would an ignorantchuck chuck if an ignorantchuck could chuck ignorant?Edit: Not saying you are ignorant. Just that there is a lot of use of the word ignorant in that sentence.That's incredibly ignorant of you to assume I'm not ignorant.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 18, 2012, 12:54:24 pm
How much ignorant would an ignorantchuck chuck if an ignorantchuck could chuck ignorant?Edit: Not saying you are ignorant. Just that there is a lot of use of the word ignorant in that sentence.That's incredibly ignorant of you to assume I'm not ignorant.
Approximately one George W. Bush.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 18, 2012, 01:21:12 pm
Don't care, being ignorant.How much ignorant would an ignorantchuck chuck if an ignorantchuck could chuck ignorant?Edit: Not saying you are ignorant. Just that there is a lot of use of the word ignorant in that sentence.That's incredibly ignorant of you to assume I'm not ignorant.
Approximately one George W. Bush.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 18, 2012, 01:24:21 pm
Don't care, being ignorant.How much ignorant would an ignorantchuck chuck if an ignorantchuck could chuck ignorant?Edit: Not saying you are ignorant. Just that there is a lot of use of the word ignorant in that sentence.That's incredibly ignorant of you to assume I'm not ignorant.
Approximately one George W. Bush.
I may take this entire conversation to the OOC quotes thread.
Also, on topic:
Don't care, being ignorant.How much ignorant would an ignorantchuck chuck if an ignorantchuck could chuck ignorant?Edit: Not saying you are ignorant. Just that there is a lot of use of the word ignorant in that sentence.That's incredibly ignorant of you to assume I'm not ignorant.
Approximately one George W. Bush.
Post by: miauw62 on August 18, 2012, 01:33:47 pm
That makes it in context tough.Don't care, being ignorant.How much ignorant would an ignorantchuck chuck if an ignorantchuck could chuck ignorant?Edit: Not saying you are ignorant. Just that there is a lot of use of the word ignorant in that sentence.That's incredibly ignorant of you to assume I'm not ignorant.
Approximately one George W. Bush.
I may take this entire conversation to the OOC quotes thread.
Post by: Sensei on August 18, 2012, 02:03:10 pm
Oh yes, there's more where that came from (http://literallyunbelievable.org/).
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 18, 2012, 02:05:21 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 18, 2012, 02:09:17 pm
People who think the Onion is legit are always hilariousI think this almost qualifies for a TTMYterrified
Post by: SealyStar on August 18, 2012, 02:38:30 pm
-ImgSnip-
Oh yes, there's more where that came from (http://literallyunbelievable.org/).
Thanks for ruining my day by posting something like that blog.
I both laugh and cry when people take Onion stories seriously. Especially the old one about the "Abortionplex".
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 18, 2012, 02:58:22 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 18, 2012, 03:05:06 pm
I refuse to believe that is real. They have to be in on the joke. No one is that stupid.Welcome, to the internet. (There really are stupid people out there.)
Post by: SealyStar on August 18, 2012, 03:07:40 pm
I refuse to believe that is real. They have to be in on the joke. No one is that stupid.Welcome, to the internet. (There really are stupid people out there.)
I've actually personally met people who believed Onion stories.
It's not just a Poe's Law issue.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 18, 2012, 03:09:14 pm
Post by: bukitodinos on August 18, 2012, 04:56:44 pm
"Lol you are idiot!"
"oh brb everyone"
....
Post by: bukitodinos on August 18, 2012, 05:02:28 pm
"Is Canada above us?"
No we simply LOOK like we are above you, we are actually our own plan that that collided with yours.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 18, 2012, 05:03:56 pm
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it annoys me, if anything. laughing is easier (and makes you feel better) than saying 'lol'It's not so easy for us folks who don't have souls.
Post by: Zangi on August 18, 2012, 05:04:26 pm
Post by: bukitodinos on August 18, 2012, 05:16:10 pm
http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html (http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html)my Iq drop 100 points fum dat
and also this i found on a sight
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Post by: Fenrir on August 18, 2012, 06:20:30 pm
Fake.http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html (http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html)my Iq drop 100 points fum dat
and also this i found on a sightSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Scelly9 on August 18, 2012, 06:22:51 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 18, 2012, 06:26:28 pm
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Might be, but could conceivably happen. Hell, one of my friends tried to do that at school, even got permission from the principle. He ended up getting shouted at for half an hour by a teacher.Was the teacher antigay or was he/she just mad your friend wouldn't speak?
Post by: Scelly9 on August 18, 2012, 06:30:06 pm
I do believe the words "Fucking f*****s" where used, so I'm leaning toward the first.QuoteMight be, but could conceivably happen. Hell, one of my friends tried to do that at school, even got permission from the principle. He ended up getting shouted at for half an hour by a teacher.Was the teacher antigay or was he/she just mad your friend wouldn't speak?
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 18, 2012, 06:30:50 pm
Post by: i2amroy on August 18, 2012, 06:34:22 pm
Hell, one of my friends tried to do that at school, even got permission from the principle. He ended up getting shouted at for half an hour by a teacher.While I think it is good that your friend decided to do this (even better that he got permission from the principle), one of the rules that a lot of states have for their schools (having both parents as teachers you hear a lot about school rules and regulations) is that protests and other demonstrations such as the day of silence are fine as long as they "do not disturb or interrupt the learning process of the student or other students at the teacher's discretion". As such if a teacher decides that a demonstration is interfering with either the student's learning process or those around them (such as if they were trying to group work and he wasn't talking to his group members, or if he had to make a speech but wouldn't talk, or even if the teacher deemed that they were unable to tell if the student was learning the information due to their unwillingness to answer questions) then they would be well within their rights to ask the student to stop while in their classroom even if the student had principle permission. It's the same reason why even if a school has a sponsored "hat day" where you can pay a dollar to wear your hat in class teachers can still ask you to remove your hats as long as you are within their classroom.
Of course once you get to college it's a whole different ball game, and working is fine too, but while you are in high school and lower there are a lot of things that teachers can ask you to do (such as stopping a demonstration for the duration of their class) and technically you need to comply. It doesn't mean that it's very nice of them to do so, but they do have the right.
Of course if the whole thing was because the teacher was anti-gay then he would still be within his rights to ask the student to stop, but it would be a very fine line that could easily get him fired, especially if he was swearing and the student's parents brought the matter to attention. The standard procedure in most states at that point would be to immediately place the teacher on leave until the matter could be resolved, at which point either the teacher would be fired, punished, or reinstated to teach again.
Post by: Scelly9 on August 18, 2012, 06:36:05 pm
I'm pretty sure the teacher could be fired for that.It's not like anyone in this town cares, I do think he was admonished for "Abusive language" or some such shit, but that's it. I live in backwards land.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 18, 2012, 06:37:59 pm
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While I think it is good that your friend decided to do this (even better that he got permission from the principle), one of the rules that a lot of states have for their schools (having both parents as teachers you hear a lot about school rules and regulations) is that protests and other demonstrations such as the day of silence are fine as long as they "do not disturb or interrupt the learning process of the student or other students at the teacher's discretion". As such if a teacher decides that a demonstration is interfering with either the student's learning process or those around them (such as if they were trying to group work and he wasn't talking to his group members, or if he had to make a speech but wouldn't talk, or even if the teacher deemed that they were unable to tell if the student was learning the information due to their unwillingness to answer questions) then they would be well within their rights to ask the student to stop while in their classroom even if the student had principle permission. It's the same reason why even if a school has a sponsored "hat day" where you can pay a dollar to wear your hat in class teachers can still ask you to remove your hats as long as you are within their classroom.But the teacher in this story clearly didn't protest the silence because she (I'm just going to say she although I don't know if the teacher was a man or a woman) thought the silence was interfering in the learning of her students, she did it because she is a bigot and disagrees with the politics behind said silence.
Of course once you get to college it's a whole different ball game, and working is fine too, but while you are in high school and lower there are a lot of things that teachers can ask you to do (such as stopping a demonstration for the duration of their class) and technically you need to comply. It doesn't mean that it's very nice of them to do so, but they do have the right.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 18, 2012, 06:39:00 pm
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It's not like anyone in this town cares, I do think he was admonished for "Abusive language" or some such shit, but that's it. I live in backwards land.I believe the land is called "America"
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 18, 2012, 06:42:53 pm
"Earth."QuoteIt's not like anyone in this town cares, I do think he was admonished for "Abusive language" or some such shit, but that's it. I live in backwards land.I believe the land is called "America"
Post by: Scelly9 on August 18, 2012, 06:43:08 pm
"Missouri""Earth."QuoteIt's not like anyone in this town cares, I do think he was admonished for "Abusive language" or some such shit, but that's it. I live in backwards land.I believe the land is called "America"
Post by: bukitodinos on August 18, 2012, 06:50:25 pm
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Post by: i2amroy on August 18, 2012, 07:11:38 pm
But the teacher in this story clearly didn't protest the silence because she (I'm just going to say she although I don't know if the teacher was a man or a woman) thought the silence was interfering in the learning of her students, she did it because she is a bigot and disagrees with the politics behind said silence.If you'll re-read my post you'll note that I edited it to include the rules for a case where the teacher was being a bigot.
Post by: SealyStar on August 18, 2012, 07:44:11 pm
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And yet we've still got old folks saying how perverse the young folks are...
"Oh, what a sick disgusting fetish! If I were your mother - ooh, borderline-misogynistic bondage erotica!"
Post by: Flying Dice on August 18, 2012, 07:53:31 pm
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And yet we've still got old folks saying how perverse the young folks are...
"Oh, what a sick disgusting fetish! If I were your mother - ooh, borderline-misogynistic bondage erotica!"
The thing to remember is that practically every sort of fetish there is first manifested decades or centuries ago.
That aside, the 50/whatever books are pretty poorly written, but more importantly, they present an abusive relationship as an example of a normal, loving relationship, which in and of itself is pretty damn irresponsible. Someone (Scelly?) posted a link earlier to a review of them that was spot on.
Post by: bukitodinos on August 18, 2012, 08:30:21 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 18, 2012, 08:34:12 pm
I read that on notalwaysright.com!Spoiler: WARNING DELTA BRAIN BLEACH CLEARANCE REQUIRED (click to show/hide)
yeah, just go there and your brain will implode from some stupid peoples... stupidity... and then there's the awesome people.
Some of the stories make me really sad, it's absolutely horrifying how rude people can be. I always wonder when they must have broken.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 18, 2012, 08:34:27 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 18, 2012, 08:37:37 pm
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And yet we've still got old folks saying how perverse the young folks are...
"Oh, what a sick disgusting fetish! If I were your mother - ooh, borderline-misogynistic bondage erotica!"
The thing to remember is that practically every sort of fetish there is first manifested decades or centuries ago.
That aside, the 50/whatever books are pretty poorly written, but more importantly, they present an abusive relationship as an example of a normal, loving relationship, which in and of itself is pretty damn irresponsible. Someone (Scelly?) posted a link earlier to a review of them that was spot on.
Let's check off the "bad qualities of a book" list:
- Based off Twilight fanfiction. I mean, fanfiction rewrites? Hell, I'm not stoppin' ya. But Twilight? Really?
- The unfortunate implications abounding in the main relationship: dominant man, submissive woman, rich man, poor woman, older man (albeit by a few years), younger woman. Add the above comment too-it's not erotica about a healthy, reciprocal sexual relationship-it's erotica about an exploitative, loveless relationship.
- Written by monkeys with typewriters, it seems. Horny monkeys with typewriters.
I mean, hell, if this book is so popular, I'm gonna write "Bella and Edward's Screwathon", change the names around, and watch as I roll in the cash of uncharacteristically horny middle-aged women. Or make a Fallout version, with Richard Grey (bonus points for being "the Master") and his kinky, one-sided relationship with a female Vault Dweller.
Allah, Yahweh, Zeus, Uhura Mazda, Vishnu, Amaterasu, Yivo, Illuvatar, Celestia, Atheismo, deity-whose-name-I-haven't-mentioned, please don't let my mother buy that book... she does a lot of crazy stuff.
Oh, right, the topic.
I've seen a lot of crazy shit happen at bookstores. Like running into friends of mine buying more manga (emphatically not hentai) than I thought a real human could in a lifetime. Or my mother skimming row after row of mid-20th-century schlock, convinced she'll find something for me to read for an open-ended school assignment... and the cashiers are just as stupid. They're always trying to chat up the customers, even more than most cashiers.
EDIT: Dear god, SealyStar McDunce just realized the implications of the woman's request for batteries... does this mean I'm more innocent than most people, or just stupid?
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 18, 2012, 08:40:22 pm
Post by: bukitodinos on August 18, 2012, 08:42:52 pm
EDIT: from notalwaysright.com
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Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 18, 2012, 08:43:41 pm
Punishment for all capital crimes: Becoming a government facepuncher for not less than five years. By the time you're through, you won't have any hands left.
If you make that a punishment for piracy instead of for capital crimes, everyone'd be happy. The MPAA because people finally get punished for pirating, and the people because they finally get to punch the MPAA.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 18, 2012, 08:44:05 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 18, 2012, 08:46:37 pm
FOR THE RECORD: I may have been wrong now let's not derail things. Either way this was unwarranted.
Girl: I want to find out how much you're ignorant about drugs.
Me: I actually don't want to talk about them.
Girl: You arrogant asshole! What if your friends talk about it and you don't want to and you look stupid?!
Me: *stunned*
Girl: Just answer one question and I'll shut up. How many times do you have to do marijuana to get addicted to it?
Me: Uh, one?
Girl: NO YOU'RE WRONG *extremely long angry tirade*
This was the same girl who sent nudes to people she met on 4chan. One day, someone said that she shouldn't get into sexual conduct with people she didn't know. Her response was to send him nudes, too, with a little message reading "wouldnt you want these too?? <3". In related news, she never exercised (she literally said that texting was more important) and was grossly overweight. Saucy!
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 18, 2012, 08:47:57 pm
that or you have not visited 4chan enough
I've never been there due to what I've heard about it.
However, similar didn't stop me from looking up Marble Hornets...
:c
Post by: bukitodinos on August 18, 2012, 08:49:37 pm
that or you have not visited 4chan enough
I've never been there due to what I've heard about it.
However, similar didn't stop me from looking up Marble Hornets...
:c
im so sorry...
AND YET ANOTHER
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Post by: Loud Whispers on August 18, 2012, 08:57:42 pm
Girl: I want to find out how much you're ignorant about drugs.You could've gone so far with this >:]
Post by: SealyStar on August 18, 2012, 08:58:10 pm
If you wrote that Fallout one I would buy it. "Oh Master please me with your ???" "Mutants are best equipped to deal with the world today"
The Psychic Nullifier does look like bondage gear... and imagine the filthy limits you could stretch "FEV" to...
That's enough on the subject. I'm getting brain lesions thinking of funny things to write.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on August 18, 2012, 09:01:21 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 18, 2012, 09:02:21 pm
Please tell me how :(Girl: I want to find out how much you're ignorant about drugs.You could've gone so far with this >:]
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 18, 2012, 09:03:23 pm
RELEASE YOUR INNER IGNORANCE.Please tell me how :(Girl: I want to find out how much you're ignorant about drugs.You could've gone so far with this >:]
BE THE IGNORANCE.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 18, 2012, 09:05:10 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 18, 2012, 09:06:55 pm
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Or there's the fact that you can end up as a Super Mutant in Broken Hills' bitch if you lose an arm wrestling match with him. You even get to keep the ballgag.Yeah that happened to me ;(. That fucker cheated by using a powerfist. I had Marcus and Sulik beat him to death though and I felt better.
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The Psychic Nullifier does look like bondage gear... and imagine the filthy limits you could stretch "FEV" to...Now that you mention it, it does... Hey, isn't there a psychic kid in Fallout: New Vegas who wears one and lives under a bridge? Oh God.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 18, 2012, 09:09:03 pm
Is it bad that if I was in these situations, I would imagine ripping these people's throats out with my little finger?Well, it's bad for me. I imagined dislocating my little finger. Oh, the imaginary pain!
Post by: MaximumZero on August 19, 2012, 12:48:29 am
better punishment: Maximumzero (or one of his clones) visits you every hour to facepunch you.I'll work in shifts.
Post by: Oliolli on August 19, 2012, 02:13:58 am
http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html (http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html)my Iq drop 100 points fum dat
That gave me worse brain hemorrhage than Pyrovision...
Post by: crazysheep on August 19, 2012, 02:31:37 am
I had to stop reading, there was so much fail there.http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html (http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html)my Iq drop 100 points fum dat
That gave me worse brain hemorrhage than Pyrovision...
Post by: Urist_McDrowner on August 19, 2012, 02:37:41 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 19, 2012, 03:50:57 am
So, when I play it in the US, I usually beat the opponent six ways to death, and sometimes he goes HAXX or YOU CHEAT or LAG.
I don't have any screen shots, but it's true. :s One guy accused me of being Asian. I told him I was. He doesn't reply and leaves.
On the other side of the pond, when I PvP in Korea, and I beat the opponent to death without a scratch, the opponent more often compliments me on my prowess than curses me for my skill. xD
Post by: i2amroy on August 19, 2012, 04:01:56 am
I've got to say that in some ways I prefer playing with asians because they actually understand the level of skill and are willing to accept that others are better rather then cursing you out because they lost. Then I lose horribly to one who I can't even touch and I feel this incredible urge to default back to american gamer rule number 1. :P
In reality the real reason is because a large portion of americans have decided that the best way to deal with losing is to simply mock anybody who beats them and call them things like "try hards". As such it has even started to take on a type of insulting air to it, though I still don't get exactly how calling somebody a "try hard" is an insult. I mean that's the second biggest point of a game after all, to win (right after enjoying yourself that is).
Post by: Reelya on August 19, 2012, 04:31:50 am
I hate to burst the "lolstupidpeople" party, but much like the "my specifically male anatomy got stuck in the CD drive" my brother got, it was probably fake.
I can vouch that there ARE users "in the wild" who are every bit as dumb about computers as those examples.
One example from personal experience was an old guy who looked up his bank details at an internet cafe, saved the resulting page onto a floppy disk.
He then asked me why, when he got the html on his floppy disk home it didn't "keep track" of his bank account details.
I tried, and failed to explain to him that his home computer needed to be connected to the internet to update the page with the correct details, he just didn't get it.
So i'm inclined to believe most of those stories since I've encountered dumber people.
Also my ex believed that if she turned the sound on the TV down it would reduce the recording volume on her VHS recorder, i tried to explain that the signal is "one way" for years literally, even ran tests to prove it to her, but she never fully believed it and i gave up talking to her about it.
Anyway, many those tech support examples have been around at least 20 years now from Usenet, even before the web existed, notice the tech that's getting supported - 386 sx-25's, Wordperfect, Win3.1, DOS etc. the "recent" ones involve dial-up internet services and AOL etc. For many users of that era, it was their first exposure to PCs at all. People literally were confused about terms like "desktop" which basically came in with win95
Post by: SealyStar on August 19, 2012, 12:33:03 pm
That's because rule number one of being an American gamer is that if you lose it was somebody else's fault. Either the game malfunctioned, the ref made a bad call, or your computer network connection lagged, but it obviously wasn't your fault.
I've got to say that in some ways I prefer playing with asians because they actually understand the level of skill and are willing to accept that others are better rather then cursing you out because they lost. Then I lose horribly to one who I can't even touch and I feel this incredible urge to default back to american gamer rule number 1. :P
In reality the real reason is because a large portion of americans have decided that the best way to deal with losing is to simply mock anybody who beats them and call them things like "try hards". As such it has even started to take on a type of insulting air to it, though I still don't get exactly how calling somebody a "try hard" is an insult. I mean that's the second biggest point of a game after all, to win (right after enjoying yourself that is).
I don't like playing with Asians, because the only games I play that has a large Asian following are Starcraft/Starcraft II. And those Koreans are way. Too. Dedicated. To those games.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 19, 2012, 12:49:54 pm
Anywho, people just love to absolve themselves of responsibility, even with trivial stuff like this. Hell, even the people who admit they aren't as good at a game tend to throw stupid shit like "YOU PLAY THE GAME TOO SRSLY" as if their laid back approach is fundamentally superior and that any dedication and sophistication is shameful.
Pro tip: The douchebags in games, be they munchkins or elitists or haughty newbies or whatever, all have one thing in common: They think their method of playing the game is the "right" way, and anyone else is "doing it wrong." Don't be one of those.
Post by: SealyStar on August 19, 2012, 12:53:48 pm
You're just not dedicated enough!
Anywho, people just love to absolve themselves of responsibility, even with trivial stuff like this. Hell, even the people who admit they aren't as good at a game tend to throw stupid shit like "YOU PLAY THE GAME TOO SRSLY" as if their laid back approach is fundamentally superior and that any dedication and sophistication is shameful.
Pro tip: The douchebags in games, be they munchkins or elitists or haughty newbies or whatever, all have one thing in common: They think their method of playing the game is the "right" way, and anyone else is "doing it wrong." Don't be one of those.
That wasn't supposed to be my implication. I was just commenting that I'm not fond of Asians in MP games solely because my only experience with them is getting crushed by Koreans at Starcraft. I realize it's a silly prejudice, both against Asians and hardcore gamers, but that's just the way I think.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 19, 2012, 12:58:17 pm
Post by: RedKing on August 19, 2012, 12:58:56 pm
Well, whether or not it's because I'm Asian (you decide xD), I not only love PvP in Dungeon Fighter Online, I'm pretty good at it too.
It's well known that Asian has a racial bonus of +50 to videogame playing. :P
That's because rule number one of being an American gamer is that if you lose it was somebody else's fault. Either the game malfunctioned, the ref made a bad call, or your computer network connection lagged, but it obviously wasn't your fault.You obviously haven't played with Brazilians on League of Legends, if you think it's strictly an American thing. There's nothing like being raged at in Portuguese or even better, horribly broken English.
That said, there probably are some cultural traits that minimize the number of asshole Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. in online games (although message boards are an entirely different matter).
Personally, if I get schooled by someone in a match, I make a point of congratulating them afterwards. That's netted me a surprisingly large number of friends requests over time.
There is no shame in losing at SC to Koreans. That's like losing a looting-and-pillaging contest to Vikings. :PYou're just not dedicated enough!
Anywho, people just love to absolve themselves of responsibility, even with trivial stuff like this. Hell, even the people who admit they aren't as good at a game tend to throw stupid shit like "YOU PLAY THE GAME TOO SRSLY" as if their laid back approach is fundamentally superior and that any dedication and sophistication is shameful.
Pro tip: The douchebags in games, be they munchkins or elitists or haughty newbies or whatever, all have one thing in common: They think their method of playing the game is the "right" way, and anyone else is "doing it wrong." Don't be one of those.
That wasn't supposed to be my implication. I was just commenting that I'm not fond of Asians in MP games solely because my only experience with them is getting crushed by Koreans at Starcraft. I realize it's a silly prejudice, both against Asians and hardcore gamers, but that's just the way I think.
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on August 19, 2012, 01:05:42 pm
I have an asian friend who mostly plays starcraft, apparently he averages about 140 cps. I tried playing a few games with him, but by the time I set up my barracks I was already overwhelmed by zerglings.That's because rule number one of being an American gamer is that if you lose it was somebody else's fault. Either the game malfunctioned, the ref made a bad call, or your computer network connection lagged, but it obviously wasn't your fault.
I've got to say that in some ways I prefer playing with asians because they actually understand the level of skill and are willing to accept that others are better rather then cursing you out because they lost. Then I lose horribly to one who I can't even touch and I feel this incredible urge to default back to american gamer rule number 1. :P
In reality the real reason is because a large portion of americans have decided that the best way to deal with losing is to simply mock anybody who beats them and call them things like "try hards". As such it has even started to take on a type of insulting air to it, though I still don't get exactly how calling somebody a "try hard" is an insult. I mean that's the second biggest point of a game after all, to win (right after enjoying yourself that is).
I don't like playing with Asians, because the only games I play that has a large Asian following are Starcraft/Starcraft II. And those Koreans are way. Too. Dedicated. To those games.
Post by: SealyStar on August 19, 2012, 01:16:45 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 19, 2012, 02:15:33 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on August 19, 2012, 02:21:12 pm
This, i fucking deal with this for weeks on end -_-I had to stop reading, there was so much fail there.http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html (http://humortown.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-tech-support-calls.html)my Iq drop 100 points fum dat
That gave me worse brain hemorrhage than Pyrovision...
Post by: SealyStar on August 19, 2012, 02:51:03 pm
140 clicks per second is faster than even most rotary guns shoot bullets/shells. That would be 8400 clicks per minute. That's not even roid rage, that's Yuki Nagato. On roids.
Or they have an unobtanium mouse, braced in place, that they are continuously firing at with a very well-aimed M61 Vulcan.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 19, 2012, 03:38:00 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 19, 2012, 04:01:52 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 19, 2012, 04:04:41 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 19, 2012, 04:13:03 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 19, 2012, 04:16:31 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 19, 2012, 04:18:44 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 19, 2012, 04:29:05 pm
On the other hand, I'm terrible at Starcraft and I don't think it's a fun game either, so that's that. >.>
Post by: Telgin on August 19, 2012, 04:31:48 pm
The limiting factor would be the latency in the hardware, and how long it takes to register the mouse down events. You've got mechanical limits on the mouse itself (including factors such as debouncing the mouse button), limits on how long it takes the hardware to recognize the event (which is handled by the keyboard controller on old PS/2 hardware I believe, and an emulation of something like that on modern USB hardware), filtering done by that hardware to software debounce the button, time it takes to trigger an interrupt, time required for the processor to service the interrupt, time for the operating system to convert the ISR into a message, and finally post it to the application's message pump.
In short, I would expect it to have an upper limit in the hundreds of clicks per second, if not thousands. Certainly not one per processor cycle of course, but almost certainly more than 60 per second.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 19, 2012, 05:46:33 pm
I seriously doubt many games run at faster than 60 FPS (not graphical FPS, but gameplay calculations) which gives an absolute hard cap to input commands, regardless of any hardware capabilities.That would be true if the game would only handle one input per tick. Actually it clears the pending event queue every single tick.
Post by: alway on August 19, 2012, 05:51:18 pm
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actions_per_minute
Park Sung-Joon is noted for the record APM of 818.Holy hell, that's nearly 14 per second. D:
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 19, 2012, 05:55:25 pm
GEEEEGEEEEEEEEEEEEQuote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actions_per_minutePark Sung-Joon is noted for the record APM of 818.Holy hell, that's nearly 14 per second. D:
Post by: Sensei on August 19, 2012, 06:48:06 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 19, 2012, 06:49:18 pm
Post by: Vorthon on August 19, 2012, 07:25:31 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 19, 2012, 07:35:11 pm
don't forget to watered the plants!
"Posted what I said in tenses that were wrong on the internets"
Post by: SealyStar on August 19, 2012, 07:57:24 pm
shush, you.don't forget to watered the plants!
"Posted what I said in tenses that were wrong on the internets"
That was supposed to be a jab at Vorthon's mom. I don't know why I quoted your post.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 19, 2012, 10:07:21 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 19, 2012, 11:26:52 pm
There is no shame in losing at SC to Koreans. That's like losing a looting-and-pillaging contest to Vikings. :P
I'm so sigging this.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 20, 2012, 12:26:25 am
so, this girls dad was in recovery from a brain surgery when she found him on the floor having a seisure. she calls 911, understandably agitated... unfortunately, the officer on the other side of the line doesn't like her foul language and takes his time to give her a lesson in etiquette... there's more
Post by: Detonate on August 20, 2012, 12:40:54 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=tp5bjzAwdAc
so, this girls dad was in recovery from a brain surgery when she found him on the floor having a seisure. she calls 911, understandably agitated... unfortunately, the officer on the other side of the line doesn't like her foul language and takes his time to give her a lesson in etiquette... there's more
But think of the children! There's no need to swear over 911, unless of course you're the operator. Love how he calls her an ass after saying that. God bless my country.
Post by: Mech#4 on August 20, 2012, 05:55:06 am
Actually, type in "Is my..." and report back soldiers, what's the first suggestion? :P
Oh, sans ellipses.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 20, 2012, 06:09:58 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 20, 2012, 06:54:16 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 20, 2012, 06:58:24 am
Why did I post this here I don't even
Should be on the What Would the Avatar Above You Say thread.
Post by: RedKing on August 20, 2012, 08:00:22 am
"are there black amish people" ???
"how to tie a tie"
Okay, so at least one WTF.
Post by: Oliolli on August 20, 2012, 08:09:02 am
"Are there aliens in Prometheus?"
"How to tie a tie?"
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 20, 2012, 09:00:06 am
~o.o~
Post by: scriver on August 20, 2012, 09:01:55 am
"are there black lions"
"how to tie a tie"
Also my "are there" seems to be obsessed with black, also featuring "are there black people in Russia" and "are there any black Jews"
Post by: Yoink on August 20, 2012, 09:10:05 am
"Are There Users Who Always Search?"
"How to protect yourself"
...Apart from the first one, mine aren't really amusing. :-\
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 20, 2012, 09:17:28 am
are mermaids real
how i met your mother
well, one out of three ain't bad
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 20, 2012, 09:24:01 am
Is my port open
Is mystery diners real
Is my husband gay
A resounding meh.
Post by: miauw62 on August 20, 2012, 09:28:38 am
are you being served (whut ;_;)
how to tie a tie
Post by: Darvi on August 20, 2012, 09:31:39 am
are there any news
how to save a life lyrics
Well that was different.
Post by: Vorthon on August 20, 2012, 10:32:27 am
Edit: Here's the best of the best from that bathroom reader:
- Do Zoo Hair Parlor
- My Parakeet is scared of me
- My Parakeet is puffed up
- Does your Tongue have bones
Post by: Scelly9 on August 20, 2012, 10:37:44 am
Are there bears in Missouri
How to tie a tie
Meh. I have a boring browser.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 20, 2012, 10:38:45 am
Post by: SealyStar on August 20, 2012, 10:38:58 am
"Are there sharks in Lake Michigan"?
"Are there gypsies in Michigan"?-Note: I realize there are, indeed Gyps- Romani in Michigan, as with every state. But why the hell do so many people care?
As well as the standard stupidity.
"Are there vampires?"
"Are there gay animals?"
"Is there deer blood in Jagermeister?"
"Is there nicotine in cigars?"-Yes, yes there is.
"Is there UFC tonight?"
"How to roll a joint"-Now how did this wind up on my Google recommended searches? Seriously.
"How to xray"
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on August 20, 2012, 10:56:17 am
"How to growl correctly"
"Is my dog depressed"
...
Yeah..
I don't even.
Post by: Zangi on August 20, 2012, 10:59:11 am
I don't even know what you guys are doing.
Post by: Siquo on August 20, 2012, 11:10:05 am
"How to make it in America"
???
Post by: Teneb on August 20, 2012, 11:14:49 am
"Is there anybody out there"
"Are there more dogs or cats as pets in the U.S."
"How to love"
...
Post by: SealyStar on August 20, 2012, 11:56:24 am
Oh my god I just remembered something: I have a bathroom reader with a couple pages of weird google search suggestions. Let me see if I can find them again...
Edit: Here's the best of the best from that bathroom reader:
- Do Zoo Hair Parlor
- My Parakeet is scared of me
- My Parakeet is puffed up
- Does your Tongue have bones
Oh, I read that one too. "Tom Cruise is [dead/gay/stupid/...]"...
Post by: Oliolli on August 20, 2012, 01:55:58 pm
Post by: Detonate on August 20, 2012, 01:57:21 pm
Oh my god I just remembered something: I have a bathroom reader with a couple pages of weird google search suggestions. Let me see if I can find them again...
Edit: Here's the best of the best from that bathroom reader:
- Do Zoo Hair Parlor
- My Parakeet is scared of me
- My Parakeet is puffed up
- Does your Tongue have bones
Oh, I read that one too. "Tom Cruise is [dead/gay/stupid/...]"...
If you type in any celebrity names, half of them will be "x dead" and "x gay". If the celebrity is already dead, it becomes "x alive".
Do any of you remember "why is there a dead Pakistani on my couch"?
Post by: miauw62 on August 20, 2012, 03:08:54 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 20, 2012, 03:20:43 pm
I love how the internet is at the same time incredibly unpredictable and random and super predictable.Does the roach's questions represent the species?
Post by: Darvi on August 20, 2012, 03:27:04 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 20, 2012, 03:29:53 pm
A certain classroom in a certain town. Trashy dubstep emanates from two large speakers.
NOTE: This has been happening for four months, at least.
A Person: "Hey, can you turn off the dubstep today? I have a headache and I'm kind of sick of hearing it."
Another Person: "STOP TRASHING OUR MUSIC, WE LEAVE YOU ALONE SO WHY DON'T YOU STOP BEING SUCH A WHINER!"
Post by: Flying Dice on August 20, 2012, 04:20:03 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 20, 2012, 04:33:58 pm
The last day of school (and the last time I'd see most of them again) was ruined by the trashiest dubstep yet, blaring all day.
So there weren't many tearful goodbyes that day.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 20, 2012, 04:38:11 pm
Another Person: "STOP TRASHING OUR MUSIC, WE LEAVE YOU ALONE SO WHY DON'T YOU STOP BEING SUCH A WHINER!"But... Making people listen to their music is sort of exactly the opposite of leaving them alone.
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 20, 2012, 04:45:32 pm
Yes. This was a crazy person. She once kicked her friend in the face when she said she'd never listened to dubstep before.Another Person: "STOP TRASHING OUR MUSIC, WE LEAVE YOU ALONE SO WHY DON'T YOU STOP BEING SUCH A WHINER!"But... Making people listen to their music is sort of exactly the opposite of leaving them alone.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 20, 2012, 04:48:33 pm
This universe is truly cruel and unforgiving.Yes. This was a crazy person. She once kicked her friend in the face when she said she'd never listened to dubstep before.Another Person: "STOP TRASHING OUR MUSIC, WE LEAVE YOU ALONE SO WHY DON'T YOU STOP BEING SUCH A WHINER!"But... Making people listen to their music is sort of exactly the opposite of leaving them alone.
Post by: Zangi on August 20, 2012, 04:53:35 pm
And its inhabitants are stupid. Ya can't forget that.This universe is truly cruel and unforgiving.Yes. This was a crazy person. She once kicked her friend in the face when she said she'd never listened to dubstep before.Another Person: "STOP TRASHING OUR MUSIC, WE LEAVE YOU ALONE SO WHY DON'T YOU STOP BEING SUCH A WHINER!"But... Making people listen to their music is sort of exactly the opposite of leaving them alone.
Post by: SealyStar on August 20, 2012, 04:54:53 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on August 20, 2012, 05:14:19 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on August 20, 2012, 05:31:07 pm
Post by: ab00 on August 20, 2012, 05:41:40 pm
Ahem. (http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd11c1a4.htm)
Post by: Scelly9 on August 20, 2012, 05:49:51 pm
Nah... Dubstep isn't so bad. What's bad are the people in giant 4 door trucks with no muffler, that try and "pass" by forcing the bicyclist off the road, shouting "Get off the motherf@#king road, ur supposed to be on the sidewalk".Heh, whenever I see a humvee I have a strong urge to go at it with a wrench and show them why bolts on the outside is a bad idea.
Ahem. (http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd11c1a4.htm)
Post by: Vorthon on August 20, 2012, 05:51:49 pm
...I may or may not have played through that part of Half-Life 2 with the crane one too many times.
Post by: SealyStar on August 20, 2012, 05:58:47 pm
Nah... Dubstep isn't so bad. What's bad are the people in giant 4 door trucks with no muffler, that try and "pass" by forcing the bicyclist off the road, shouting "Get off the motherf@#king road, ur supposed to be on the sidewalk".Heh, whenever I see a humvee I have a strong urge to go at it with a wrench and show them why bolts on the outside is a bad idea.
Ahem. (http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd11c1a4.htm)
Whenever I see an old doorless jeep I have a strong urge to go at it with a poking-stick and show them why not having doors is a bad idea.
Also, I don't like dubstep, and I never will. It's like slowly torturing a robot for a few minutes, then cutting to the chase and beating it to a
Melting Pot of Alcohol, DJ Alex S. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7lXcUvgwY)
Post by: kaenneth on August 20, 2012, 06:00:54 pm
is my mac 64 bit
is my husband gay
is my license suspended
are they all yours
are they making a finding nemo 2
are they making a toy story 4
are they making a new superman movie
when can babies see
when can you get pregnant
when can babies eat eggs
when can i retire
who unfollowed me
who is
who invented the internet
who shot jr
oh, and this looks interesting http://whenparentstext.com/ (http://whenparentstext.com/)
Quote
MOM: Your father changed the name of your brother in my phone. Now whenever he texts me it says a new message is from the Chosen One. IT is very annoying. Do you know how to change it back?
Post by: Greiger on August 20, 2012, 06:06:55 pm
Me: Didn't you say you bought a new chair?
Friend: Yea but it needs a drill.
Me: A drill? I don't recall that being in the lists of tools required.
*Friend shrugs*
Me: They need you to drill your own holes? That seems bizarre.
Friend: No, I don't, but I need to get the things in.
Me: A bolt? Like this? *shows him a bolt on his current (but broken) office chair*
Friend: Yea like that, I need a drill.
I never did see it as it was apperantly still in the box. Next time I visit him I think I'm going to bring a ratchet set.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 20, 2012, 06:09:19 pm
Post by: NobodyPro on August 20, 2012, 06:28:46 pm
"Why didn't they just walk to North America [from Africa]?"
Post by: Descan on August 20, 2012, 06:42:49 pm
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 20, 2012, 06:42:57 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 20, 2012, 06:46:16 pm
Also nice dismissive attitude :P
Post by: SealyStar on August 20, 2012, 06:59:04 pm
Dubstep's a form of electronic music that emphasizes "drops." Tends to have a lot of buildup followed by a heavy bass solo.
Also nice dismissive attitude :P
Indeed. It's also very "love it or hate it" divisive: for every devoted dubstep fan, there's someone who thinks it's an ugly nightmare of bleeps and bass.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 20, 2012, 07:00:48 pm
I dislike dubstep in the same way I dislike folk music. There's still good stuff there, it's just painful to find it.Actually, this is a great explanation. Definitely going to remember that.
Post by: Detonate on August 20, 2012, 07:03:53 pm
Dubstep's a form of electronic music that emphasizes "drops." Tends to have a lot of buildup followed by a heavy bass solo.
Also nice dismissive attitude :P
Pretty much. When Skrillex said an Aphex Twin song was his favourite song on FB and posted a link to it, people complained it didn't have a drop and there was no heavy bass "to scare the shit out of me."
Post by: Simmura McCrea on August 20, 2012, 07:05:41 pm
I prefer the description that it sounds like a fax machine and a dial up modem having sex. Not because I think it's more accurate, but because it's funnier.I dislike dubstep in the same way I dislike folk music. There's still good stuff there, it's just painful to find it.Actually, this is a great explanation. Definitely going to remember that.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 20, 2012, 07:33:26 pm
I prefer the description that it sounds like a fax machine and a dial up modem having sex. Not because I think it's more accurate, but because it's funnier.I dislike dubstep in the same way I dislike folk music. There's still good stuff there, it's just painful to find it.Actually, this is a great explanation. Definitely going to remember that.
There is good dubstep out there, but not a whole lot of it. Five songs, maybe. Most way overdo it. Dubstep makes a nice compliment to part of a song, it doesn't work as a whole song. It's like jazz flute, a little goes a long way. :P
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 20, 2012, 07:37:08 pm
Once our school held a Wake-a-thon to raise money. Someone brought their own stereo and their phone which had dubstep on it, and plunked it down in the most crowded room without telling anyone. Then they turned it on.
Their phone was mysteriously lost that night, six hours later (and after numerous people in positions of authority backed up by everyone in the room told them to turn it the hell off but it was not turned the hell off).
Post by: Simmura McCrea on August 20, 2012, 07:58:23 pm
I know, there's dubstep (or at least stuff with wub wubs in it, which to me makes it dubstep) that I like out there.I prefer the description that it sounds like a fax machine and a dial up modem having sex. Not because I think it's more accurate, but because it's funnier.I dislike dubstep in the same way I dislike folk music. There's still good stuff there, it's just painful to find it.Actually, this is a great explanation. Definitely going to remember that.
There is good dubstep out there, but not a whole lot of it. Five songs, maybe. Most way overdo it. Dubstep makes a nice compliment to part of a song, it doesn't work as a whole song. It's like jazz flute, a little goes a long way. :P
Post by: Sensei on August 21, 2012, 02:17:26 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 21, 2012, 02:18:09 am
Post by: Aviator CJ on August 21, 2012, 02:20:16 am
A coworker known for not being one of the sharpest knives in the drawer once engaged me in this... interesting conversation.
Coworker: "Why don't we fall off the Earth? I've tried to get a paper clip to stick to a basketball, but it just falls off."
Me: "... Earth has gravity?"
Coworker: "But how does it work?"
At this point I was tempted to go into General Relativity, as I have a basic understanding of it. But there was no way this girl was going to be able to follow me, so I tried a different tack.
Me: "Imagine a magnetic cannonball."
Coworker: "What's a cannonball?"
Me: (facepalm) "Imagine a big metal ball... and it's magnetic. The paper clip will stick on any side, right?"
Coworker: "Right..."
Me: "Gravity is kind of like that."
She now looks thoughtful, and then asks me the following question. We might laugh at this question, but considering the analogy I used, it is a perfectly valid question to ask.
Coworker: "Is there anything gravity doesn't work on?"
Me: "No, it works on everything."
She looks thoughtful again, and I start congratulating myself for explaining gravity in terms she could understand. Then this...
Coworker: "So who invented that then?"
I told her 'some guy who lives in a blue box.' Unsurprisingly, she didn't get it.
Post by: Sheb on August 21, 2012, 02:26:48 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 21, 2012, 02:28:20 am
Didn't get it either to be fair....Same here.
I was going to post but ninja.
Post by: Sirus on August 21, 2012, 02:32:58 am
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"What's a cannonball?"...
I think I lost a dozen neurons from that. Just...damn.
Post by: Aviator CJ on August 21, 2012, 02:33:18 am
Didn't get it either to be fair....Same here.
I was going to post but ninja.
My apologies. I was referring to the Doctor, of Doctor Who.
Post by: Yoink on August 21, 2012, 02:35:21 am
My apologies. I was referring to the Doctor, of Doctor Who.
...Who? [/on-topic]
:P
Post by: NRN_R_Sumo1 on August 21, 2012, 02:48:31 am
Post by: Valid_Dark on August 21, 2012, 03:41:54 am
"otters have hands"
yes..yes they do...
Post by: MaximumZero on August 21, 2012, 03:45:50 am
Kind of. They don't have opposable thumbs. I'd say they're paws, not hands, but pretty darn close."otters have hands"
yes..yes they do...
Post by: Evilsx on August 21, 2012, 04:01:40 am
Person next to me-..."Also, i just got dating a new girlfriend and she..."
Random guy-"That is sooo gay"
(At that point me and that guy laugh our heads and also most the everyone else)
Post by: Darvi on August 21, 2012, 04:04:00 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 21, 2012, 04:06:26 am
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For the sake of context, the person sitting next to you was a guy, right?If it were a woman then the Random guy would have been correct.
Post by: Frumple on August 21, 2012, 10:26:17 am
Just unlikely.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on August 21, 2012, 10:32:34 am
Standing outside pretending to bum one of your (male) friends in plain view of everyone. Not gay.
Accidentally touching your leg against someone's when you're sitting beside them in class. Very gay.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 21, 2012, 10:33:28 am
Coulda' been using the older meaning! It's not impossible!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtaPaQwSQPA
Just unlikely.
Post by: Kamin on August 21, 2012, 10:42:50 am
Reminds me of high school :PYou have a very intimate knowledge of how this works, Darkling.
Standing outside pretending to bum one of your (male) friends in plain view of everyone. Not gay.
Accidentally touching your leg against someone's when you're sitting beside them in class. Very gay.
It's funny because everything you said is absolutely, 100% true. Oh God, and the accidental eye contact after the leg touch? The GAYEST.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on August 21, 2012, 10:46:55 am
Gay lunchbox, gay chips, gay schoolbag, gay home.work. The lot
Post by: Zangi on August 21, 2012, 01:02:38 pm
Post by: Kamin on August 21, 2012, 01:12:00 pm
So... doesn't obsessing over it gonna mean the person will end up a closet gay? :PNah; once you go cloaca, you never go back-a...
Post by: Hanslanda on August 21, 2012, 01:37:13 pm
So... doesn't obsessing over it gonna mean the person will end up a closet gay? :PNah; once you go cloaca, you never go back-a...
... o.O
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 21, 2012, 01:39:23 pm
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Hahahahahahaah, When we find out that plants are sentinent they are going to eat the fucking sunlight.:'(
Post by: DarkWolfXV on August 21, 2012, 02:01:47 pm
I find it funny, i may have shitty sense of humor, though.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 21, 2012, 02:10:42 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 21, 2012, 02:16:34 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 21, 2012, 02:20:43 pm
Post by: DarkWolfXV on August 21, 2012, 02:21:41 pm
If you didnt get it by now:
I meant, when we would find out somehow, that plants are sentinent, the vegans would have to eat sunlight.
This is what i meant.
It was a joke of course and not meant to be taken seriously.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 21, 2012, 02:26:50 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 21, 2012, 02:27:28 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 21, 2012, 02:37:25 pm
it was bigoted and hostile
If you are a vegan/vegetarian who is actually offended by that joke, then my theory has been proven that one's humor glands require animal protein to develop properly.
I actually thought it was pretty lame; the concept is funny, but he failed pretty badly at wording it.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 21, 2012, 02:50:43 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 21, 2012, 02:52:27 pm
If you are a vegan/vegetarian who is actually offended by that joke, then my theory has been proven that one's humor glands require animal protein to develop properly.Serious mode:
Anyone can easily get offended if something they feel strongly about is being taken lightly. What we have here is simple serious business dissonance.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 21, 2012, 03:00:04 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 21, 2012, 03:06:38 pm
Animal protein?
Don't overthink it. What I mean is just some chemical (probably a protein) found only in animals, to explain why vegetarians/vegans wouldn't get any. It's all a hypothetical joke.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 21, 2012, 03:12:17 pm
Animal protein?
Don't overthink it. What I mean is just some chemical (probably a protein) found only in animals, to explain why vegetarians/vegans wouldn't get any. It's all a hypothetical joke.
I feel like your science glands maybe requiring more vespene gas :P
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 21, 2012, 03:39:50 pm
luckily i was still facepalming and most of the shit got into the back of my hand
Post by: RedKing on August 21, 2012, 03:54:04 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 21, 2012, 04:05:40 pm
i eat lots of meat. i have vegetarian friends and i often get into arguments over food ethics with them(why no insects, mechanical thresher collateral deaths, etc.) i found that comment very ignorant and unwarrantedly hostile. as if i was in a group arguing with another group and someone from my side flung a turd to the other side. i facepalmed, and quickly switched sides to catch it with my face...
luckily i was still facepalming and most of the shit got into the back of my hand
STOP BRAIN DON'T JUMP NOOOOO
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 21, 2012, 04:14:33 pm
:I
Post by: Shakerag on August 21, 2012, 04:57:10 pm
Vegan here. Wasn't offended by content, was offended by quality =Pit was bigoted and hostile
If you are a vegan/vegetarian who is actually offended by that joke, then my theory has been proven that one's humor glands require animal protein to develop properly.
I actually thought it was pretty lame; the concept is funny, but he failed pretty badly at wording it.
SealyStar's joke was pretty bad too. Besides, everyone knows you need lots of cellulose for good humor, otherwise your jokes are all watery.
Here's a better (bad, maybe outdated) vegan joke: How many vegans does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None, General Electric tests on animals
Post by: Mephansteras on August 21, 2012, 05:04:54 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 21, 2012, 05:10:51 pm
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I think this thread is competing to become the Champion Derailed Thread of Bay 12. It's gone off the rails so often even the local news has stopped reporting on it.The internet has a local news?
Post by: Scelly9 on August 21, 2012, 05:12:01 pm
It's called The OnionQuoteI think this thread is competing to become the Champion Derailed Thread of Bay 12. It's gone off the rails so often even the local news has stopped reporting on it.The internet has a local news?
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 21, 2012, 05:14:11 pm
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It's called The OnionIt's still more informative than FOX News
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 21, 2012, 05:48:26 pm
Arguably, FOX sometimes has some medium-quality non-biased information, like, say, a topaz in a sea of dirt.QuoteIt's called The OnionIt's still more informative than FOX News
Hooray for attempting a derail of a derail!
EDIT: A dashing success, if I say so myself!
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 21, 2012, 05:48:56 pm
Post by: Vorthon on August 21, 2012, 05:51:28 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 21, 2012, 05:53:46 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 21, 2012, 05:55:42 pm
I'd say like a chunk of shit in a sea of defiled corpses. But maybe that's just me.Arguably, FOX sometimes has some medium-quality non-biased information, like, say, a topaz in a sea of dirt.QuoteIt's called The OnionIt's still more informative than FOX News
Hooray for attempting a derail of a derail!
Post by: Scelly9 on August 21, 2012, 05:57:11 pm
and much, much less biased.Please tell me they really said this and there is a link to it.
however, some things fox come out with are just hilarious in their own special way.
'parents who give their children candy are more likely to have them grow up into criminals, and should probably be shot in the back with a crossbow.'
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 21, 2012, 05:59:13 pm
Post by: Fenrir on August 21, 2012, 06:03:28 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 21, 2012, 06:11:56 pm
'parents who give their children candy are more likely to have them grow up into criminals, and should probably be shot in the back with a crossbow.'Swap parents with children and you've got Dwarf Fortress o-o
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 21, 2012, 06:53:48 pm
:( I came from that mind. :(
Post by: Descan on August 21, 2012, 06:54:40 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 21, 2012, 06:58:19 pm
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Nah, you come from the other head.+2 Zing points
Post by: Mini on August 21, 2012, 07:08:58 pm
Children who give their parents candy are more likely to have [their parents] grow up into criminals?'parents who give their children candy are more likely to have them grow up into criminals, and should probably be shot in the back with a crossbow.'Swap parents with children and you've got Dwarf Fortress o-o
Post by: MaximumZero on August 21, 2012, 07:12:09 pm
Hell, I wouldn't put it past my kid.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 22, 2012, 12:18:59 am
Some quote in the newspaper about the planned mosque and how Muslims will destroy our purity protect the children oh nooooooooo
Post by: Hanslanda on August 22, 2012, 12:21:29 am
"I'm just suspicious they're sneaking in to contaminate our country."
Some quote in the newspaper about the planned mosque and how Muslims will destroy our purity protect the children oh nooooooooo
Oh god fucking damn it. I hate it when people hate on Muslims. It is SOOO FUCKING STUPID. Baader Meinhof gang, mafia, and the Crusaders were christian, but people don't go, "Watch out for those silly christians, they'll cut your throat open, stick a cut up soda can in there, and let you bleed to death!"
Just because someone is of a specific religion does not mean they conform to stereotypes about that religion.
Sigh. /rant
Sorry about that, pet peeve of mine.
Post by: Psyco Jelly on August 22, 2012, 12:24:43 am
Jack: "I AM a respectable gentlemen, you cockholes!"
Me: "That... Statement."
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 22, 2012, 02:02:03 am
People seem to latch onto whatever minority has had the most recent high profile crime. Right now it's muslims, since nothing big has changed that since 9/11. Who knows, maybe some random fucktard will bomb a orphanage, someone will notice he's swedish or something, and all of America will stop listening to heavy metal for a decade."I'm just suspicious they're sneaking in to contaminate our country."
Some quote in the newspaper about the planned mosque and how Muslims will destroy our purity protect the children oh nooooooooo
Oh god fucking damn it. I hate it when people hate on Muslims. It is SOOO FUCKING STUPID. Baader Meinhof gang, mafia, and the Crusaders were christian, but people don't go, "Watch out for those silly christians, they'll cut your throat open, stick a cut up soda can in there, and let you bleed to death!"
Just because someone is of a specific religion does not mean they conform to stereotypes about that religion.
Sigh. /rant
Sorry about that, pet peeve of mine.
People are stupid.
Post by: Xantalos on August 22, 2012, 03:29:14 am
The fuck.
Post by: Valid_Dark on August 22, 2012, 03:47:09 am
Here's a better (bad, maybe outdated) vegan joke: How many vegans does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None, General Electric tests on animals
...I don't get it...
Post by: Kamin on August 22, 2012, 04:30:53 am
An ex-roommate of mine (thank God I don't still live with him).
Post by: kaijyuu on August 22, 2012, 05:43:29 am
Post by: Kamin on August 22, 2012, 05:47:07 am
Between 8 and 10 is considered the best, iirc.There is no conclusive study, although the most recent one I saw (the past year or two) said 6. Regardless, the point is that my roommate implied I was stupid because I don't sleep a lot, and that smart people sleep for longer than people of lower intelligence (like 12 hours).
Post by: kaijyuu on August 22, 2012, 05:50:54 am
And I forget the technical name of the fallacy your roommate was using. Correlation/causation one, I think. And yeah it's quite stupid :)
Post by: Sheb on August 22, 2012, 06:01:55 am
Post by: Kamin on August 22, 2012, 06:05:36 am
Even if there is an optimum, remember that there likely is a lot of divergence between people. What might be good for you might not be for your neighbor.Of course. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm)
Post by: Oliolli on August 22, 2012, 08:19:20 am
"I'm just suspicious they're sneaking in to contaminate our country."
Some quote in the newspaper about the planned mosque and how Muslims will destroy our purity protect the children oh nooooooooo
Oh god fucking damn it. I hate it when people hate on Muslims. It is SOOO FUCKING STUPID. Baader Meinhof gang, mafia, and the Crusaders were christian, but people don't go, "Watch out for those silly christians, they'll cut your throat open, stick a cut up soda can in there, and let you bleed to death!"
Just because someone is of a specific religion does not mean they conform to stereotypes about that religion.
Sigh. /rant
Sorry about that, pet peeve of mine.
I understand. It's high on my list as well, only topped by "The US beat Germany in WWII".
Have those people ever heard of "Operation Barbarossa"?
Post by: Durin Stronginthearm on August 22, 2012, 09:52:42 am
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I am almost stunned speechless. Who in the world would call Orwell "left-wing"? Do they consider Vlad Putin "right-wing"?
Orwell was right-wing, and Putin left-wing? This comment brought to you from Reverse World.
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How could he be too "left-wing" when his two greatest books -- among the greatest books ever -- Animal Farm and 1984 were take-downs of the left-wing Soviet system? How could he be too left-wing when he fought against the National Socialists in Germany and their ideological brothers Franco and Mussolini? I doubt this lady's story at the outset, just as Orwell taught us to do!
Yes, because they called it "National Socialism" it had to be socialist! Just look at the name! Duh!
Post by: EmperorNuthulu on August 22, 2012, 10:01:04 am
-youtube comment
Man, looking like a whole organisation must be pretty great, banned from somewhere? Put on a different face!
Post by: SealyStar on August 22, 2012, 10:18:07 am
A lot of people have probably heard about this, but that one guy in the US running for office in...Minnesota, I think? Anyway, he said something about a woman's body being able to stop a pregnancy in the case of "legitimate rape."
The fuck.
I believe he meant "legitimate rape" not as in "rape that is justified" but as in "rape that is actually rape".
His science is still bullshit, I'm not supporting him. It's just that the comment was said badly, and made him look extra-dumb.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 22, 2012, 10:19:09 am
Oh god fucking damn it. I hate it when people hate on Muslims.I assume you're talking about the "MUSLEEMS IS TERRERRISTS" thing going on. Don't get it confused with hate for Islam, since there are a lot of atrocities and oppression done for Islam. But that's for a more serious thread... And possibly the sad thread too.
Post by: Jervill on August 22, 2012, 10:24:53 am
A lot of people have probably heard about this, but that one guy in the US running for office in...Minnesota, I think? Anyway, he said something about a woman's body being able to stop a pregnancy in the case of "legitimate rape."
The fuck.
I believe he meant "legitimate rape" not as in "rape that is justified" but as in "rape that is actually rape".
His science is still bullshit, I'm not supporting him. It's just that the comment was said badly, and made him look extra-dumb.
Missouri, not Minnesota.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 22, 2012, 10:29:56 am
Here's a better (bad, maybe outdated) vegan joke: How many vegans does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None, General Electric tests on animals
...I don't get it...
The vegans refuse to use the lightbulbs because the company uses animal testing. They're boycotting GE.
Post by: Kamin on August 22, 2012, 10:32:38 am
The glaring stupidity of this comment really pisses me off. Most Asians don't even EAT rice naturally unless they're from the South. Wheat and barley are the most common grains in mid to Northeast China, not even including the arid inner reaches of China to Mongolia and Central Asia. But yeah, up here, we eat a LOT of bread. So don't go and say "My people eat rice." That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.
Perpetuate baseless stereotypes, why don't you. In the name of "your people."
Post by: SealyStar on August 22, 2012, 10:42:07 am
A lot of people have probably heard about this, but that one guy in the US running for office in...Minnesota, I think? Anyway, he said something about a woman's body being able to stop a pregnancy in the case of "legitimate rape."
The fuck.
I believe he meant "legitimate rape" not as in "rape that is justified" but as in "rape that is actually rape".
His science is still bullshit, I'm not supporting him. It's just that the comment was said badly, and made him look extra-dumb.
Missouri, not Minnesota.
Oh yeah, you're right.
I don't like either state, of course. But there's a certain soft spot in my heart for Minnesota, if only because that's where my mom is from, and she's the main reason I exist. Of course, I have an even bigger soft spot for North Dakota, because that's where my parents met and went to school. But I still think both states, in total, are like a "buffer zone" between hick and civilized country. Come on, admit it, everyone in the US has this prejudice, unless you're from one of the "hick states" in question.
Post by: bukitodinos on August 22, 2012, 10:52:36 am
ON TOPIC: 'BRB EVERYONE IM GOING AFK!' this was said when they were getting up to get a beer.....
Post by: Criptfeind on August 22, 2012, 11:00:58 am
Nice though. Nice Hicks.
Post by: Sirus on August 22, 2012, 11:07:37 am
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ON TOPIC: 'BRB EVERYONE IM GOING AFK!' this was said when they were getting up to get a beer.....Was this said online, or in a meatspace situation?
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on August 22, 2012, 11:15:25 am
Post by: MaximumZero on August 22, 2012, 11:23:09 am
"watched an hour video today about bread. thought to myself... i'm asian... my people eat rice... i don't even LIKE bread...!"My people got invaded to death. There's probably less than a million of us left (including those of us who are more everything else than Cherokee. I'm mostly white, but I still count.)
The glaring stupidity of this comment really pisses me off. Most Asians don't even EAT rice naturally unless they're from the South. Wheat and barley are the most common grains in mid to Northeast China, not even including the arid inner reaches of China to Mongolia and Central Asia. But yeah, up here, we eat a LOT of bread. So don't go and say "My people eat rice." That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.
Perpetuate baseless stereotypes, why don't you. In the name of "your people."
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 22, 2012, 11:24:45 am
Post by: SealyStar on August 22, 2012, 11:25:29 am
As a Minnesotan I can tell you, the Dakotas are not a 'buffer' for hicksvill. If you know what I mean.
Nice though. Nice Hicks.
Fargo's only mildly hicky. The rest is pretty hicktacular, though.
Post by: RedKing on August 22, 2012, 11:58:15 am
"watched an hour video today about bread. thought to myself... i'm asian... my people eat rice... i don't even LIKE bread...!"Meh...just meant they're guilty of extending whatever subgroup of Asian they are to the entire region. There *are* a lot of Asians who eat a fuckton of rice. Just not Beiren (mian and baozi FTW!)
The glaring stupidity of this comment really pisses me off. Most Asians don't even EAT rice naturally unless they're from the South. Wheat and barley are the most common grains in mid to Northeast China, not even including the arid inner reaches of China to Mongolia and Central Asia. But yeah, up here, we eat a LOT of bread. So don't go and say "My people eat rice." That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.
Perpetuate baseless stereotypes, why don't you. In the name of "your people."
FWIW, depending on which "my people" you're talking about, my people mostly got exterminated/displaced/oppressed by Stalin/the English/the Union Army.
RedKing's family tree: NOT WINNING since 1715.
Post by: Scelly9 on August 22, 2012, 12:25:46 pm
Rape that is actually rape, opposed to what? How the hell do you decide if something is rape but not actually rape?A lot of people have probably heard about this, but that one guy in the US running for office in...Minnesota, I think? Anyway, he said something about a woman's body being able to stop a pregnancy in the case of "legitimate rape."
The fuck.
I believe he meant "legitimate rape" not as in "rape that is justified" but as in "rape that is actually rape".
His science is still bullshit, I'm not supporting him. It's just that the comment was said badly, and made him look extra-dumb.
Post by: Vorthon on August 22, 2012, 12:27:03 pm
Post by: RedKing on August 22, 2012, 12:30:22 pm
As opposed to statutory rape (which could be consensual sex, just with a minor). We went over this in the Election Megathread. They want to make sure 15-year olds who get knocked up have to live with the consequences, or something.Rape that is actually rape, opposed to what? How the hell do you decide if something is rape but not actually rape?A lot of people have probably heard about this, but that one guy in the US running for office in...Minnesota, I think? Anyway, he said something about a woman's body being able to stop a pregnancy in the case of "legitimate rape."
The fuck.
I believe he meant "legitimate rape" not as in "rape that is justified" but as in "rape that is actually rape".
His science is still bullshit, I'm not supporting him. It's just that the comment was said badly, and made him look extra-dumb.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 22, 2012, 12:32:22 pm
Three words: Insane Troll Logic.
It is astounding what insanity normal seeming people will hold to as fact. :/
Post by: Xantalos on August 22, 2012, 01:15:08 pm
But if you change one letter of fact, it turns to face, and you know that *insert person here* has a trustworthy face!Three words: Insane Troll Logic.
It is astounding what insanity normal seeming people will hold to as fact. :/
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 22, 2012, 01:15:54 pm
A lot of people have probably heard about this, but that one guy in the US running for office in...Minnesota, I think? Anyway, he said something about a woman's body being able to stop a pregnancy in the case of "legitimate rape."
The fuck.
I believe he meant "legitimate rape" not as in "rape that is justified" but as in "rape that is actually rape".
His science is still bullshit, I'm not supporting him. It's just that the comment was said badly, and made him look extra-dumb.
Rape that is actually rape, opposed to what? How the hell do you decide if something is rape but not actually rape?
As opposed to statutory rape (which could be consensual sex, just with a minor). We went over this in the Election Megathread. They want to make sure 15-year olds who get knocked up have to live with the consequences, or something.
There's a lot more than just that. "Legitimate rape" tends to just count as violent/forcible rape by a stranger in a back alley.
Get too drunk and some guy takes advantage of you? Doesn't count, you shouldn't have gotten drunk. Someone pressures and threatens you until you agree to have sex with them? Well, you agreed so it obviously doesn't count. Decide against having sex with this guy in the middle of foreplay, but he keeps going against your will? You definitely consented, doesn't count.
Delegitimizing rape happens all the time. Akin was just the first guy to recently put it in such blunt words.
Post by: Oliolli on August 22, 2012, 02:05:45 pm
Get too drunk and some guy takes advantage of you? Doesn't count, you shouldn't have gotten drunk.
A case like that in Finland ended up with the rapist going free... simply because both he and the girl were drunk, and had done so voluntarily. I always have trouble wrapping my head around "under the influence of alcohol" being a working excuse in finnish court...
Run someone over with a car? You'll pretty much get a worse punishment for driving drunk then running someone over while drunk... Heck, the former may end with you losing your license if you do it often enough...
Post by: kaijyuu on August 22, 2012, 02:12:52 pm
I suppose it depends how one acts when drunk. It doesn't excuse their actions, after all. But when it's one person's word against another (with no other evidence to go on), I don't think the guy's gonna win.
Post by: Scelly9 on August 22, 2012, 02:25:29 pm
Ah, that is at least better than the "It's not rape if she 'wanted it'" Bullshit I've been hearing.As opposed to statutory rape (which could be consensual sex, just with a minor). We went over this in the Election Megathread. They want to make sure 15-year olds who get knocked up have to live with the consequences, or something.Rape that is actually rape, opposed to what? How the hell do you decide if something is rape but not actually rape?A lot of people have probably heard about this, but that one guy in the US running for office in...Minnesota, I think? Anyway, he said something about a woman's body being able to stop a pregnancy in the case of "legitimate rape."
The fuck.
I believe he meant "legitimate rape" not as in "rape that is justified" but as in "rape that is actually rape".
His science is still bullshit, I'm not supporting him. It's just that the comment was said badly, and made him look extra-dumb.
Post by: SealyStar on August 22, 2012, 02:37:29 pm
Well if they're both drunk and acting stupid, I don't know why it defaults to the man being at fault.
I suppose it depends how one acts when drunk. It doesn't excuse their actions, after all. But when it's one person's word against another (with no other evidence to go on), I don't think the guy's gonna win.
The only reason why the woman/girl being drunk has any bearing as "rape" is that females tend to be smaller, and thus are more susceptible to drunkenness after drinking the same amount of alcohol as the man in question, who could still be perfectly clear-minded while she's drunk as a fish.
I would still say "your fault you got drunk, slut", but then every wannabe-feminist poser in the country would be on my case :/
Anyway, off the politics! To stupidity.
My brother, endless font of sources for this thread, announced his intention to learn Russian, just so he could say stupid little inflammatory crap about Pr[ime Minister/esident] Volodya and/or communism. Then began bitching about how hard it is to learn another language, and harassing me for help with a language I have no knowledge of either.
Post by: Tellemurius on August 22, 2012, 02:40:30 pm
In soviet russia, language breaks youWell if they're both drunk and acting stupid, I don't know why it defaults to the man being at fault.
I suppose it depends how one acts when drunk. It doesn't excuse their actions, after all. But when it's one person's word against another (with no other evidence to go on), I don't think the guy's gonna win.
The only reason why the woman/girl being drunk has any bearing as "rape" is that females tend to be smaller, and thus are more susceptible to drunkenness after drinking the same amount of alcohol as the man in question, who could still be perfectly clear-minded while she's drunk as a fish.
I would still say "your fault you got drunk, slut", but then every wannabe-feminist poser in the country would be on my case :/
Anyway, off the politics! To stupidity.
My brother, endless font of sources for this thread, announced his intention to learn Russian, just so he could say stupid little inflammatory crap about Pr[ime Minister/esident] Volodya and/or communism. Then began bitching about how hard it is to learn another language, and harassing me for help with a language I have no knowledge of either.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 22, 2012, 02:57:51 pm
They made the parking spots closest to the classroom buildings into faculty/staff only spots, which makes parking worse for the students. Oh well. The stupid part was that they advertised a special parking pass for faculty and staff who want to be environmentally friendly. By only being allowed to park in the furthest lot from campus, you'll be able to get more exercise and decrease on-campus pollution!
Post by: kaijyuu on August 22, 2012, 03:00:48 pm
The stupid part was that they advertised a special parking pass for faculty and staff who want to be environmentally friendly. By only being allowed to park in the furthest lot from campus, you'll be able to get more exercise and decrease on-campus pollution!Wait seriously?
That's a major wat.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 22, 2012, 03:02:12 pm
The stupid part was that they advertised a special parking pass for faculty and staff who want to be environmentally friendly. By only being allowed to park in the furthest lot from campus, you'll be able to get more exercise and decrease on-campus pollution!(http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-pseudo.gif)
Post by: SealyStar on August 22, 2012, 03:03:41 pm
My school sent out an email today about parking. It was full of stupid.
They made the parking spots closest to the classroom buildings into faculty/staff only spots, which makes parking worse for the students. Oh well. The stupid part was that they advertised a special parking pass for faculty and staff who want to be environmentally friendly. By only being allowed to park in the furthest lot from campus, you'll be able to get more exercise and decrease on-campus pollution!
Why does my face hurt? Oh, I just hit it with my palm.
Post by: Darvi on August 22, 2012, 03:07:39 pm
Why does my face hurt? Oh, I just hit it with mypalmwall.
Post by: Xantalos on August 22, 2012, 03:13:57 pm
How about a desk on the wall that's shaped like a palm?Why does my face hurt? Oh, I just hit it with mypalmwall.
Post by: SealyStar on August 22, 2012, 03:18:35 pm
Why does my face hurt? Oh, I just hit it with my palm.
First recorded by the ancient Romans:
(http://i.imgur.com/I1IH0.jpg)
(statue's probably actually Greek, but quis fututionem dat?)
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 22, 2012, 03:23:44 pm
It is astounding what insanity normal seeming people will hold to as fact. :/Always remember: Normal and sane are two entirely separate concepts.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 22, 2012, 03:30:45 pm
First recorded by the ancient Romans:My head, it does palm?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: SealyStar on August 22, 2012, 03:44:19 pm
First recorded by the ancient Romans:My head, it does palm?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
"My head", "Palm [toward/to] face".
Neither one is a grammatical sentence.
(Your sentence would be "Caput meum, palmam facit")
Post by: scriver on August 22, 2012, 05:02:03 pm
My people got invaded to death. There's probably less than a million of us left (including those of us who are more everything else than Cherokee. I'm mostly white, but I still count.)
It must feel strange knowing your people invaded your people to death :P
Post by: MaximumZero on August 22, 2012, 05:21:20 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 22, 2012, 05:28:29 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 22, 2012, 05:37:01 pm
My people got invaded to death. There's probably less than a million of us left (including those of us who are more everything else than Cherokee. I'm mostly white, but I still count.)
It must feel strange knowing your people invaded your people to death :P
Go back ~1000 years, and "my people" were looting and pillaging "my people".
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 22, 2012, 05:55:32 pm
My people split into communist me-peoples and people-peoples and had a civil war which my other fighty-peoples stepped into, to help the people-peoples fight the communist me-peoples. The fighty peoples and the people-peoples won.
And that's how the world was made!
Post by: Valid_Dark on August 22, 2012, 07:22:38 pm
Here's my addition to this conversation.
(http://i.imgur.com/6fs6A.png)
Post by: Vorthon on August 22, 2012, 07:26:16 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 22, 2012, 07:28:21 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 22, 2012, 07:42:21 pm
Quote
You were once able to go online without worrying about the countless cybercriminals lurking out there or getting attacked by online thugs determined to steal your money and identity.
Oh shit, better turn the computy thing I got here off, otherwise I'll get mugged and my identity will be forfeit. Wouldn't want to get mugged by cybercriminals or anything.
Post by: SealyStar on August 22, 2012, 07:53:46 pm
Who's trolling? If you're talking about the image Valid Dark just posted, I think meaning behind that is supposed to be obvious :P
It's obviously satire, yes. Satire is different from trolling, though. Satire is proving a legitimate point by pretending to agree with the opposite viewpoint. Trolls have no legitimate point to prove by similarly pretending.
Post by: Vorthon on August 22, 2012, 07:54:57 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 22, 2012, 08:01:26 pm
[pedantry]Who's trolling? If you're talking about the image Valid Dark just posted, I think meaning behind that is supposed to be obvious :P
It's obviously satire, yes. Satire is different from trolling, though. Satire is proving a legitimate point by pretending to agree with the opposite viewpoint. Trolls have no legitimate point to prove by similarly pretending.
Both are actually satire. The point doesn't have to be legitimate. And many trolls are just outright lying to try and rile someone up, which isn't satire or any form of irony whatsoever.
[/pedantry]
Post by: Greiger on August 22, 2012, 08:04:50 pm
So on my new laptop, I got a free 60 days of Norton Internet Protection Something-Complex Service etc. Now that it's over, the little thing that tries to tell me to go buy it again sayeth:QuoteYou were once able to go online without worrying about the countless cybercriminals lurking out there or getting attacked by online thugs determined to steal your money and identity.
Oh shit, better turn the computy thing I got here off, otherwise I'll get mugged and my identity will be forfeit. Wouldn't want to get mugged by cybercriminals or anything.
Yea, I'm pretty sure Norton isn't protecting you from any of that even with it active. Norton and McAfee are the equivalent to putting a 2 digit bike lock on your door to keep burglars out.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 22, 2012, 08:13:21 pm
"It's dangerous to go alone! Take this."So on my new laptop, I got a free 60 days of Norton Internet Protection Something-Complex Service etc. Now that it's over, the little thing that tries to tell me to go buy it again sayeth:QuoteYou were once able to go online without worrying about the countless cybercriminals lurking out there or getting attacked by online thugs determined to steal your money and identity.
Oh shit, better turn the computy thing I got here off, otherwise I'll get mugged and my identity will be forfeit. Wouldn't want to get mugged by cybercriminals or anything.
Yea, I'm pretty sure Norton isn't protecting you from any of that even with it active. Norton and McAfee are the equivalent to putting a 2 digit bike lock on your door to keep burglars out.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dT8Gsb60Wag/TQLTeCFkLfI/AAAAAAAAAJs/q_lA9mKG1f4/s1600/chuck.jpg)
Post by: Frumple on August 22, 2012, 08:14:05 pm
Had less problems with and less problems getting rid of viruses than I have from those two pains in the arse.
Post by: Xantalos on August 23, 2012, 01:05:32 am
A two digit bike lock that raids your fridge, trips you while you're going to the bathroom, and occasionally unplugs your phone while you're making important calls.So it's like hiring Bender for security?
Had less problems with and less problems getting rid of viruses than I have from those two pains in the arse.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 23, 2012, 01:51:00 am
Or the Hell's Angels.A two digit bike lock that raids your fridge, trips you while you're going to the bathroom, and occasionally unplugs your phone while you're making important calls.So it's like hiring Bender for security?
Had less problems with and less problems getting rid of viruses than I have from those two pains in the arse.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on August 23, 2012, 07:25:27 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 23, 2012, 07:33:42 am
Avast is a good Antivirus, right?I thought it was...?
Post by: Zaerosz on August 23, 2012, 07:35:25 am
I installed it a couple weeks ago and spent the rest of the day trying to uninstall it before it slowed my computer to the point where it was incapable of so much as typing one letter in Notepad. I failed every time until I booted it in safe mode.Avast is a good Antivirus, right?I thought it was...?
Post by: Oliolli on August 23, 2012, 07:35:53 am
I still may have some trace amounts left O_O
Post by: Skyrunner on August 23, 2012, 07:38:24 am
I installed it a couple weeks ago and spent the rest of the day trying to uninstall it before it slowed my computer to the point where it was incapable of so much as typing one letter in Notepad. I failed every time until I booted it in safe mode.Avast is a good Antivirus, right?I thought it was...?
Weird, I had generally positive experience with it...
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 23, 2012, 07:39:22 am
there's someone on youtube who's under the belief that what he believes, everyone else in America believes.L'États-Unis, c'est moi.
Or for those of you who don't speak french:
"I am the States"
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 23, 2012, 07:51:35 am
there's someone on youtube who's under the belief that what he believes, everyone else in America believes.
Linky?
Post by: kaijyuu on August 23, 2012, 07:53:12 am
Thinking someone speaks for anyone but themselves is a very, very common (and stupid) mistake.
Post by: SealyStar on August 23, 2012, 08:53:13 am
there's someone on youtube who's under the belief that what he believes, everyone else in America believes.
More like "there's ten million people on youtube..."
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 23, 2012, 09:36:32 am
ftfythere's someone on youtube who's under the belief that what he believes, everyone else in America believes.
More like "there's 6.9 billion people on this planet..."
Post by: RedKing on August 23, 2012, 09:53:59 am
I used to use AVG until it began bloating up as bad as Norton and McAfee. Switched to Avast, generally been pleased with the result for the last 10 months or so. If I was to actually pony up the cash for an AV suite, I'd probably go with Kaspersky. They've always been a solid package.I installed it a couple weeks ago and spent the rest of the day trying to uninstall it before it slowed my computer to the point where it was incapable of so much as typing one letter in Notepad. I failed every time until I booted it in safe mode.Avast is a good Antivirus, right?I thought it was...?
Weird, I had generally positive experience with it...
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 23, 2012, 10:18:35 am
Post by: MonkeyHead on August 23, 2012, 10:20:24 am
Anyone want my bank account number? :P
Post by: Oliolli on August 23, 2012, 10:29:35 am
Post by: darkrider2 on August 23, 2012, 10:31:44 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 23, 2012, 10:47:54 am
Post by: mcclay on August 23, 2012, 10:54:56 am
Just all of this. I mean really, thats not gonna happen.
Post by: RedKing on August 23, 2012, 11:06:34 am
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-judge-warns-possible-civil-war-president-obama-230545603.htmlEverything is bigger in Texas. Including the idiots and the facepalms.
Just all of this. I mean really, thats not gonna happen.
Post by: Greiger on August 23, 2012, 11:06:52 am
A: Each side is more interested in slandering the other than actually talking about issues.
B: Neither side is willing to cooperate in even the slightest way with the other side on what are basically government scale 'life or death' issues.
C: And even the regular joe are so ingrained in their ideas and refuse to compromise so much that either side having full control of the government in a time when shit needs doing instead of being argued over, apperantly means the end of life as we know it.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 23, 2012, 11:08:38 am
Post by: Kamin on August 23, 2012, 11:14:42 am
Post by: RedKing on August 23, 2012, 11:20:22 am
Not thrilled with that possibility because like many of my Confederate ancestors, my loyalty lies to my state first, nation second. And given the current political climate in Carolina Superior....I don't like where that train of thought ends up. :-\
As to the South's ever-imminent rise.... (http://www.theonion.com/articles/south-postpones-rising-again-for-yet-another-year,377/)
Post by: Kamin on August 23, 2012, 11:31:19 am
As to the South's ever-imminent rise.... (http://www.theonion.com/articles/south-postpones-rising-again-for-yet-another-year,377/)Hahahaha, thanks for that link. Penetrating journalistic article, as always. The Onion truly sets a precedent for truth in reporting.
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 23, 2012, 11:40:17 am
Fake and spoof sites is really some thing that pisses the hells out of me as I can't understand why people tolerate it.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 23, 2012, 11:42:18 am
Exibit C of why the U.S. is no longer going to be the most powerful country in the world in 10 years.
A: Each side is more interested in slandering the other than actually talking about issues.
B: Neither side is willing to cooperate in even the slightest way with the other side on what are basically government scale 'life or death' issues.
C: And even the regular joe are so ingrained in their ideas and refuse to compromise so much that either side having full control of the government in a time when shit needs doing instead of being argued over, apperantly means the end of life as we know it.
As an American, I have only one thing to say; God I can't fucking wait for this.
I do not how a joke site remains popular and still online after so long. Is america really so stupid as to like this sort of shit?
Fake and spoof sites is really some thing that pisses the hells out of me as I can't understand why people tolerate it.
What?
... Do you know what 'humor' is?
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 23, 2012, 11:50:54 am
News is supposed to be Serious!
People are stupid enough with out Idiots creating More idiots.
Go Parody Twilight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbALpHhA3fQ) or something that is obviously shite to begin with.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 23, 2012, 11:51:38 am
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 23, 2012, 11:51:43 am
Maybe there was a thread like this yelling about parodies that closed itself immediately after greatorder posted?
I actually don't remember...
Post by: Kamin on August 23, 2012, 11:52:59 am
I do not how a joke site remains popular and still online after so long. Is america really so stupid as to like this sort of shit?One day you too can install a humor chip.
Fake and spoof sites is really some thing that pisses the hells out of me as I can't understand why people tolerate it.
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 23, 2012, 11:54:03 am
Inserted by top-quality mantis technicians?I do not how a joke site remains popular and still online after so long. Is america really so stupid as to like this sort of shit?One day you too can install a humor chip.
Fake and spoof sites is really some thing that pisses the hells out of me as I can't understand why people tolerate it.
"bzzzbzzzbz"
"What?"
"LOLOLOLOLO"
"AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH"
Post by: Hanslanda on August 23, 2012, 11:54:03 am
You don't fake news!
News is supposed to be Serious!
People are stupid enough with out Idiots creating More idiots.
Go Parody Twilight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbALpHhA3fQ) or something that is obviously shite to begin with.
... You are an odd and troubled man, my friend. :-\
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 23, 2012, 12:01:52 pm
You don't fake news!Contrary to... Belief, the onion news is not actually news.
News is supposed to be Serious!
Post by: Criptfeind on August 23, 2012, 12:02:55 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 23, 2012, 12:05:58 pm
literallyunbelievable.org (http://literallyunbelievable.org)You don't fake news!Contrary to... Belief, the onion news is not actually news.
News is supposed to be Serious!
Post by: RedKing on August 23, 2012, 12:34:08 pm
Except for that one time where it was terrifyingly prophetic (http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-pros,464/). I always wonder how the folks who wrote that one felt about it over the following years.You don't fake news!Contrary to... Belief, the onion news is not actually news.
News is supposed to be Serious!
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 23, 2012, 12:40:30 pm
Good duuvian that is terrifying. The only thing they missed was the patriot nonsense.Except for that one time where it was terrifyingly prophetic (http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-pros,464/). I always wonder how the folks who wrote that one felt about it over the following years.You don't fake news!Contrary to... Belief, the onion news is not actually news.
News is supposed to be Serious!
Post by: SealyStar on August 23, 2012, 01:39:38 pm
Texas judge warns of civil war if Obama is re-elected (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/texas-judge-warning/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn)
Post by: Yoink on August 23, 2012, 01:43:04 pm
I haven't read it, but I'm sure the stupidity within is immense.
Post by: Reelya on August 23, 2012, 01:48:11 pm
Those United Nations troops which do not exist.
Post by: Vorthon on August 23, 2012, 01:50:07 pm
Post by: RedKing on August 23, 2012, 01:59:08 pm
The funniest thing in that article is that the Texas Judge "is calling for a trained, well-equipped force to battle the United Nations troops he says Obama would bring in.".He's probably thinking of UN peacekeeping mission. The same guys who can't stop African civil wars being fought mostly with machetes. Fear their non-interventionist might! Tremble before their mandate not to engage in hostilities!
Those United Nations troops which do not exist.
Besides, the "UN World Army" boogieman is a throwback to the 1990's. Please please please please let somebody start talking about Obama's fleet of black helicopters next. I'll break out my flannel and acid-washed jeans and throw some Temple of the Dog in the CD player, and it can be the early 90's all over again. Sweet!
Post by: kaijyuu on August 23, 2012, 02:00:39 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on August 23, 2012, 02:52:56 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 23, 2012, 03:04:13 pm
Black Helicopters are old. It's all about the spy drones now.The horrible thing being those are all too real...
Post by: Kamin on August 23, 2012, 03:41:07 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Darvi on August 23, 2012, 03:45:01 pm
Post by: Corai on August 23, 2012, 03:50:49 pm
Post by: Vorthon on August 23, 2012, 03:53:14 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 23, 2012, 03:54:58 pm
Keep reading! Eventually your faith in humanity will get so low it'll flip right back around into the positives.Note that this implies insanity/denial, not signed integer overflow.
Post by: Darvi on August 23, 2012, 03:54:58 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on August 23, 2012, 03:55:43 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 23, 2012, 04:33:50 pm
To be fair he spelt "if, a, me" and "book" right. Although I might despair if he managed to spell a one letter word wrong. Youtube comments make him look smart.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
best response to a stupid question (let's ask people who know nothing about me or my taste in books what book to recommend, and do it with terrible spelling!)
Post by: Xantalos on August 23, 2012, 04:36:35 pm
Dear god, the memories...To be fair he spelt "if, a, me" and "book" right. Although I might despair if he managed to spell a one letter word wrong. Youtube comments make him look smart.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
best response to a stupid question (let's ask people who know nothing about me or my taste in books what book to recommend, and do it with terrible spelling!)
Post by: DarkWolfXV on August 23, 2012, 04:37:38 pm
Inserted by top-quality mantis technicians?
"bzzzbzzzbz"
"What?"
"LOLOLOLOLO"
"AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH"
Hahahah i laughed my ass off.
Post by: Valid_Dark on August 23, 2012, 08:06:31 pm
You know that humanity.faith is an unsigned 128 bit number right?
In case you don't know programming talk, he's saying 0 is the lowest number possible for humanity.faith,
welll, he saying the valid values are between 0 - 2^128, which is 3.4028237e+38 or (340,282,370,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
Post by: Kamin on August 23, 2012, 08:40:34 pm
lolololo Me as well ;D Although I am pretty sure that was kinda anti-Mantid (i.e., racist).Inserted by top-quality mantis technicians?
"bzzzbzzzbz"
"What?"
"LOLOLOLOLO"
"AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH"
Hahahah i laughed my ass off.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 23, 2012, 09:41:36 pm
lolololo Me as well ;D Although I am pretty sure that was kinda anti-Mantid (i.e., racist).Inserted by top-quality mantis technicians?
"bzzzbzzzbz"
"What?"
"LOLOLOLOLO"
"AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH"
Hahahah i laughed my ass off.
You'll know when the test begins.
-- Cave Johnson
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 23, 2012, 09:43:49 pm
You'll know when the test begins.Kamin must've escaped...
-- Cave Johnson
Post by: MrBannaner on August 24, 2012, 01:12:57 am
Person: Hey there!
Me: Hi, how are you?
Person: Good! I just figured out how the sun works!
Me (curious about what she learnt): How does it work?
Person: Well, you know how it's made of hydrogen and helium?
Me: Yeah.
Person: That's how it floats in the sky!
Just..... Make it stop... I can barely believe she is going to polytechnic next year (basically a simple university)
Post by: Corai on August 24, 2012, 01:14:20 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
How did she get out of kindergarden?
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 24, 2012, 04:29:40 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 24, 2012, 06:17:29 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 24, 2012, 06:19:59 am
Dear god, the memories...To be fair he spelt "if, a, me" and "book" right. Although I might despair if he managed to spell a one letter word wrong. Youtube comments make him look smart.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
best response to a stupid question (let's ask people who know nothing about me or my taste in books what book to recommend, and do it with terrible spelling!)
I think youtube comments are gradually increasing in quality. Not that they'll ever reach any level of "good", but they arent as bad as they used to be. Tough the eternal "X PPL R Y LOLOLOL" remains a top comment.
Post by: Xantalos on August 24, 2012, 06:24:10 am
I've found that the smaller the number of views a YT video has, the comments become progressively smarter. By the time the views hit zero the commentor has transended this reality.Dear god, the memories...To be fair he spelt "if, a, me" and "book" right. Although I might despair if he managed to spell a one letter word wrong. Youtube comments make him look smart.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
best response to a stupid question (let's ask people who know nothing about me or my taste in books what book to recommend, and do it with terrible spelling!)
I think youtube comments are gradually increasing in quality. Not that they'll ever reach any level of "good", but they arent as bad as they used to be. Tough the eternal "X PPL R Y LOLOLOL" remains a top comment.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 24, 2012, 06:25:10 am
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on August 24, 2012, 06:28:44 am
Quote from: Youtube Comments
How can -X Youtube Personality- have more then 1 million subcribers if there aren't more then 1 million people on the planet?!
My face has all of the plam marks.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 24, 2012, 06:30:23 am
Post by: Xantalos on August 24, 2012, 06:31:17 am
So, the path to enlightenment is posting a youtube video no one can see and commenting on it yourself?Yep. I'm only sticking around for DF 1.00 to be released; after that, goodbye physical form!
Post by: Oliolli on August 24, 2012, 07:09:14 am
Speaking of Youtube comments:Quote from: Youtube CommentsHow can -X Youtube Personality- have more then 1 million subcribers if there aren't more then 1 million people on the planet?!
My face has all of the plam marks.
Anyone have a cure for brain hemorrhage? I really need one right now...
Post by: miauw62 on August 24, 2012, 07:27:45 am
*stupid person everybody disagrees with replies, gets tons of downvotes*
*smart person replies, gets tons of upvotes*
*stupid person replies again, gets more downvotes*
*smart person replies again, gets tons of upvotes*
Repeat ad nauseum.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 24, 2012, 09:09:43 am
Post by: Hanslanda on August 24, 2012, 09:19:32 am
I don't think I'll ever forget the youtube comment saying Atheists killed 7 billion people in WWII.
... And now, neither will I...
Post by: SealyStar on August 24, 2012, 09:49:26 am
I don't think I'll ever forget the youtube comment saying Atheists killed 7 billion people in WWII.
What was he even trying to say?
Post by: miauw62 on August 24, 2012, 09:53:12 am
Post by: Hanslanda on August 24, 2012, 09:54:06 am
Oh, my favorite is the one of a 13 year old boy saying about asdfmovie 4 that it promotes the use of drugs and violence and that it has no storyline and therefore sucks.
... But those are all the things that make movies great! :P
Post by: mcclay on August 24, 2012, 09:56:00 am
Oh, my favorite is the one of a 13 year old boy saying about asdfmovie 4 that it promotes the use of drugs and violence and that it has no storyline and therefore sucks.
Oh goddamnit, what the hell is wrong with people.
Post by: miauw62 on August 24, 2012, 09:57:02 am
Post by: TempAcc on August 24, 2012, 09:58:33 am
Post by: Hanslanda on August 24, 2012, 10:05:15 am
Did i mention his name was XXCHRIST-SAVIORXX1999?
Ah. [REDACTED_FOR_POLITENESS]
Post by: SealyStar on August 24, 2012, 10:13:41 am
Did i mention his name was XXCHRIST-SAVIORXX1999?
Ah. This applies then. (http://www.macromeme.com/dog/science-and-religion.html) No offense intended.
At first I thought your comic might be actually rational. Alas, no. It's one of those "
"I have no religion and you shouldn't either. I'm an atheist, it's not just a different belief though, it makes me fucking special! It makes me smarter than you stone-age religious fools! Religion sucks! Why should anyone have any fundamental right to believe in religion? What kind of backwards douchebag would give them that? Never mind that that's the same right that lets me be an atheist. It only should apply in one direction! Everyone needs to be an atheist! Then we wouldn't have douchebags like Fred Phelps or bin Laden! After all, they're the only religious people on Earth."
Post by: kaijyuu on August 24, 2012, 10:14:21 am
Ah. This applies then. (http://www.macromeme.com/dog/science-and-religion.html) No offense intended.The dude supports his premises well but they don't support his final conclusion, as he's lumping all religions together with the ones that impose their arbitrary morality on others.
[/pedantry]
Post by: Descan on August 24, 2012, 10:16:39 am
I didn't realize Tibet had a living human carpet!
Post by: Hanslanda on August 24, 2012, 10:17:49 am
Post by: RedKing on August 24, 2012, 10:18:14 am
Whenever SAVE TIBET people say china kills millions of tibetans daily, a smidge of my faith in humanity goes poof.Yeahhh....the whole Tibetan thing is a very popular cause for beginning lefty activists to cut their teeth on. Which means you get a lot of people with good intentions and bad research. The reality is a lot more convoluted.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 24, 2012, 10:20:20 am
Let's not get into this. I've got a million fun little pictures on my harddrive for just this arguement, and I'd rather not get banned over something like this. Let's just argee to disagree, and I'll remove the comic. :) I was hoping for a different macromeme religion image, but that's the one I found first. Poor judgement on my part.Go ahead and bump the theology topic and we can go mano mano. I like going devils advocate, especially on stuff I only half agree with in the first place.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 24, 2012, 10:21:22 am
Well it was a rant on all the crap, hate and ignorance religion causes. I didn't really see him trying to establish superiority at all, he was just mad that there are Christians who literally teach things like "condoms cause aids" and said it was obsolete. Probably not a discussion fit for a stupid thread.Did i mention his name was XXCHRIST-SAVIORXX1999?
Ah. This applies then. (http://www.macromeme.com/dog/science-and-religion.html) No offense intended.
At first I thought your comic might be actually rational. Alas, no. It's one of those "holierless holy-than-thou" atheists.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 24, 2012, 10:22:42 am
Post by: Kamin on August 24, 2012, 10:23:43 am
Thank you.Whenever SAVE TIBET people say china kills millions of tibetans daily, a smidge of my faith in humanity goes poof.Yeahhh....the whole Tibetan thing is a very popular cause for beginning lefty activists to cut their teeth on. Which means you get a lot of people with good intentions and bad research. The reality is a lot more convoluted.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 25, 2012, 01:52:12 am
Just...
What exactly do they teach in schools?
Post by: Yoink on August 25, 2012, 02:05:24 am
Post by: Oliolli on August 25, 2012, 03:58:18 am
Aaaaand on an entirely different video in youtube someone is convinced the only thing the Japanese did in WWII was bomb pearl harbour and get bombed in Hiroshima.
Just...
The same people who claim the US beat Germany, I'd guess...
I also find it funny how some people consider the bombing of Pearl Harbor some sort of "darkest hour" in history, and that it justified anything the US did to Japan. PH was a military site. Of course it'll be the target for an act of war!
As for those who say it was wrong to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they should also think again. Operation Downfall would have cost more lives on both sides. Less civilian casualties though, as Japan wouldn't have had non-combatants ::) The US were even planning on using strategic nukes as tactical weapons. ‼Warfare‼ at it's finest!
Post by: Tellemurius on August 25, 2012, 04:02:53 am
I wouldn't know about that, Fatman and Little boy were kind of whats left of what they manufactured during that time so it would have taken another 6 months for them to make more bombs and then china and russia would have bumrushed into the islands.Aaaaand on an entirely different video in youtube someone is convinced the only thing the Japanese did in WWII was bomb pearl harbour and get bombed in Hiroshima.
Just...
The same people who claim the US beat Germany, I'd guess...
I also find it funny how some people consider the bombing of Pearl Harbor some sort of "darkest hour" in history, and that it justified anything the US did to Japan. PH was a military site. Of course it'll be the target for an act of war!
As for those who say it was wrong to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they should also think again. Operation Downfall would have cost more lives on both sides. Less civilian casualties though, as Japan wouldn't have had non-combatants ::) The US were even planning on using strategic nukes as tactical weapons. ‼Warfare‼ at it's finest!
Post by: Skyrunner on August 25, 2012, 04:44:01 am
Aaaaand on an entirely different video in youtube someone is convinced the only thing the Japanese did in WWII was bomb pearl harbour and get bombed in Hiroshima.
.... :/
What... what happened to the entire Pacific War? D:
Post by: MonkeyHead on August 25, 2012, 04:58:31 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 25, 2012, 08:17:14 am
my friend found a comment (he never mentioned where) the guy said that the USA did everything in the second world war on D-day and in the preparations for D-day, and that all the British did was hide like retarded cowards.Aaaaand on an entirely different video in youtube someone is convinced the only thing the Japanese did in WWII was bomb pearl harbour and get bombed in Hiroshima.
Just...
The same people who claim the US beat Germany, I'd guess...
Sorry, but I believe the British actually did a large part of the planning. also, we sent our soldiers too, you complete and utter twat!
Everyone knows it was the Belgians who won the war. Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eprpSh4KzP8&feature=plcp).
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT: Official Link, I think.
Post by: Korbac on August 25, 2012, 08:21:12 am
my friend found a comment (he never mentioned where) the guy said that the USA did everything in the second world war on D-day and in the preparations for D-day, and that all the British did was hide like retarded cowards.Aaaaand on an entirely different video in youtube someone is convinced the only thing the Japanese did in WWII was bomb pearl harbour and get bombed in Hiroshima.
Just...
The same people who claim the US beat Germany, I'd guess...
Sorry, but I believe the British actually did a large part of the planning. also, we sent our soldiers too, you complete and utter twat!
Even if we didn't (and we did), it was kind of an important feat to go solo mid. against mister Hitler as a support for two years. And we stopped him free farming!
Post by: Oliolli on August 25, 2012, 08:44:52 am
my friend found a comment (he never mentioned where) the guy said that the USA did everything in the second world war on D-day and in the preparations for D-day, and that all the British did was hide like retarded cowards.Aaaaand on an entirely different video in youtube someone is convinced the only thing the Japanese did in WWII was bomb pearl harbour and get bombed in Hiroshima.
Just...
The same people who claim the US beat Germany, I'd guess...
Sorry, but I believe the British actually did a large part of the planning. also, we sent our soldiers too, you complete and utter twat!
Not only a large part of the planning and manpower. Ultra decryption played a large role. British counterintelligence made the Fortitude plan work (the result being that Hitler kept the Wehrmacht largely out of Normandy until it was too late). British bases from which to launch the attacks.
And then there were all the other people. Canadians, French, Poles...
And, of course, Uncle Joe's "help". 62% of Axis military casualties by themselves, plus another 4.6 million taken prisoner.
Really, it was the western allies who helped in Europe...
Post by: Korbac on August 25, 2012, 08:50:32 am
And, of course, Uncle Joe's "help". 62% of Axis military casualties by themselves, plus another 4.6 million taken prisoner.my friend found a comment (he never mentioned where) the guy said that the USA did everything in the second world war on D-day and in the preparations for D-day, and that all the British did was hide like retarded cowards.Aaaaand on an entirely different video in youtube someone is convinced the only thing the Japanese did in WWII was bomb pearl harbour and get bombed in Hiroshima.
Just...
The same people who claim the US beat Germany, I'd guess...
Sorry, but I believe the British actually did a large part of the planning. also, we sent our soldiers too, you complete and utter twat!
Really, it was the western allies who helped in Europe...
I am embarassed I forgot to include that. It's all too often forgotten. :-[
Post by: da_nang on August 25, 2012, 11:45:24 am
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Webb felt that there are different incarnations of Lizard in the comic book. He felt that he should do it without the snout because he was interested more in human emotions, because he wanted to keep Rhys' presence in the creature. Webb wanted him to have emotion, have a face and have feeling.Emotion (http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/8510/screenshot897071.png), Face (http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1567/screenshot782946.png), Feeling (http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1918/screenshot455152.png).
What more inspiration do you need?!
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 25, 2012, 01:32:39 pm
"Do you have Facebook?"
"No."
"Do you have a cell phone?"
"No."
"Then how do you talk to your friends?!"
:'(
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 25, 2012, 01:34:17 pm
This is the worst thing I ever heard from anyone ever.This is one of those moments that makes you want to hit the reset button.
"Do you have Facebook?"
"No."
"Do you have a cell phone?"
"No."
"Then how do you talk to your friends?!"
:'(
Post by: Vorthon on August 25, 2012, 01:34:35 pm
This is the worst thing I ever heard from anyone ever.* The palm strikes Vorthon in the face, shattering the skull and tearing the brain.
"Do you have Facebook?"
"No."
"Do you have a cell phone?"
"No."
"Then how do you talk to your friends?!"
:'(
Post by: Descan on August 25, 2012, 01:37:19 pm
I mean, not -talk- to my friends. I can do that in person.
But I need a way to set that up, you know? All my friends are all over the city and I don't have a bike yet!
Post by: Vorthon on August 25, 2012, 01:38:08 pm
Post by: Kamin on August 25, 2012, 01:43:07 pm
WalkScuttle, dammit.WalkingScuttling is good for you. And you get to see more.
Post by: Korbac on August 25, 2012, 02:04:18 pm
Post by: Vorthon on August 25, 2012, 02:05:13 pm
It's interesting, to say the least.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 25, 2012, 02:07:40 pm
Post by: Descan on August 25, 2012, 02:31:54 pm
I use facebook and my cell phone to arrange times to meet my friends in real life.Yes. This. Why is this bad to you people?!
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 25, 2012, 02:34:35 pm
It's bad when it becomes the exclusive medium of contact. No face to face, just facebook to facebook.I use facebook and my cell phone to arrange times to meet my friends in real life.Yes. This. Why is this bad to you people?!
Post by: kaijyuu on August 25, 2012, 02:38:09 pm
As far as being disconnected from each other when we think we're connecting, I'm pretty sure we already hit (and passed) rock bottom, when cell phones first became ubiquitous.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 25, 2012, 02:48:56 pm
I use facebook and my cell phone to arrange times to meet my friends in real life.
Yes. This. Why is this bad to you people?!
It's bad when it becomes the exclusive medium of contact. No face to face, just facebook to facebook.
I'm pretty sure nerds who get on an internet forum to talk to people are more disconnected from real life conversation than teens that text a lot. Since, you know, the teens probably spend a lot of time talking at school, or going to the movies or whatever it is that teenagers do these days.
Post by: da_nang on August 25, 2012, 03:39:40 pm
At least forum discussions are constructive and meaningful...I use facebook and my cell phone to arrange times to meet my friends in real life.
Yes. This. Why is this bad to you people?!
It's bad when it becomes the exclusive medium of contact. No face to face, just facebook to facebook.
I'm pretty sure nerds who get on an internet forum to talk to people are more disconnected from real life conversation than teens that text a lot. Since, you know, the teens probably spend a lot of time talking at school, or going to the movies or whatever it is that teenagers do these days.
/me dives into neutron star bunker, soaked in flame retardant and covered in asbestos.
/me is inflicted by mesothelioma and asbestosis!
/me looses a roaring laughter, fell and terrible!
Post by: MorleyDev on August 25, 2012, 03:45:33 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 25, 2012, 03:46:37 pm
I'm a teenager, so there. MUTUAL EXCLUSIVITYI use facebook and my cell phone to arrange times to meet my friends in real life.
Yes. This. Why is this bad to you people?!
It's bad when it becomes the exclusive medium of contact. No face to face, just facebook to facebook.
I'm pretty sure nerds who get on an internet forum to talk to people are more disconnected from real life conversation than teens that text a lot. Since, you know, the teens probably spend a lot of time talking at school, or going to the movies or whatever it is that teenagers do these days.
Post by: Sheb on August 25, 2012, 03:47:42 pm
Post by: Korbac on August 25, 2012, 03:47:53 pm
I use facebook and my cell phone to arrange times to meet my friends in real life.
+
Post by: Scoops Novel on August 25, 2012, 03:57:09 pm
On an earlier note, out of curiosity how much faith in humanity do Bay Watchers actually have? Oooh, and give me examples.
Post by: Oliolli on August 25, 2012, 04:00:59 pm
On an earlier note, out of curiosity how much faith in humanity do Bay Watchers actually have? Oooh, and give me examples.
On a scale of 1-100, I'm down to 1. Reading through reddit... has a negative impact.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 25, 2012, 04:07:42 pm
It's handy as hell to keep contact with friends abroad too. All those people you meet, but are too lazy to write e-mails or letters to. Facebook just make sure you don't loose contact. :)Whilst marketing all of your personal information.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on August 25, 2012, 04:08:30 pm
On an earlier note, out of curiosity how much faith in humanity do Bay Watchers actually have? Oooh, and give me examples.I'm currently around -200, for various RL reasons.
Post by: Corai on August 25, 2012, 04:12:37 pm
On an earlier note, out of curiosity how much faith in humanity do Bay Watchers actually have? Oooh, and give me examples.
My faith in humanitiy killed itself.
Post by: Vorthon on August 25, 2012, 04:14:05 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 25, 2012, 04:15:23 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 25, 2012, 04:18:51 pm
I'm one of those optimistic ones who things humanity as a whole is pretty awesome, but just needs to get over its asshole-ish behavior.
Post by: Descan on August 25, 2012, 04:26:00 pm
Persons are just average. Unless you work in a warehouse. Then you're left scratching your head at some of the things people say.
Post by: Sheb on August 25, 2012, 04:26:55 pm
Whilst marketing all of your personal information.
Well, you don't have to put up personal information on there. :p
Post by: kaijyuu on August 25, 2012, 04:27:22 pm
Post by: Sheb on August 25, 2012, 04:30:23 pm
Post by: Vorthon on August 25, 2012, 04:32:47 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 25, 2012, 04:34:27 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 25, 2012, 05:02:44 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 25, 2012, 05:06:52 pm
"GRAAHHHHH HISSS"
"Okay, sir, just calm down... uh..."
"What's that coming through the keyhole?"
"Oh, it looks like dust, and... GAAAAHHHHHH"
"AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGRRRBLLLRLGLBLGLLHHHHSSSSssss"
Post by: Kamin on August 25, 2012, 05:12:43 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 25, 2012, 05:13:55 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on August 25, 2012, 05:20:03 pm
Wait, I'm getting mixed signals here... Are the police FBs or are the police trying to contain/manage the existence of FBs?Both. The police force consists of the wimpy flame/snow/salt/etc. FBs that are normally killed by a passing crundle or whatever. Using teamwork, they monitor and control the remaining FB population. It's like a mix of Men in Black and CSI and generic cop movies. Anyway, I'm off to sell this idea to Hollywood, wish me luck!
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 25, 2012, 05:31:19 pm
Yeah, but think about how much worse the shootings at the Empire State Building would have been if the triggerhappy cop had been armed with contagious necrosis dust instead of a gun.that's actuallay one of the most convincing arguments against gun control i've read in a long time
Post by: G-Flex on August 25, 2012, 05:33:36 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 25, 2012, 05:34:55 pm
Would it be at all possible to get this thread back on the rails?Nope, it's too awesome now.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 25, 2012, 05:56:13 pm
1. Requires nameWhilst marketing all of your personal information.Well, you don't have to put up personal information on there. :p
2. Requires phone number
3. Requires e-mail
4. Anything you post can and will be used against you, you have the right to remain silent and... Nope, your friends will post your personal details for you. So you don't have that either.
So three options:
Don't use it
Use it without using it
Use it
Post by: Flying Dice on August 25, 2012, 05:57:50 pm
Yet another example why purely electronic evils are evil: You lose option 4 (Firebomb it).1. Requires nameWhilst marketing all of your personal information.Well, you don't have to put up personal information on there. :p
2. Requires phone number
3. Requires e-mail
4. Anything you post can and will be used against you, you have the right to remain silent and... Nope, your friends will post your personal details for you. So you don't have that either.
So three options:
Don't use it
Use it without using it
Use it
Post by: G-Flex on August 25, 2012, 09:17:42 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 25, 2012, 09:19:44 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 25, 2012, 09:24:57 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 25, 2012, 10:04:38 pm
It doesn't, and you don't have to give it your real name if you don't want to.
Doo doo doo (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1179443/pg1)
Selling your details (http://articles.cnn.com/2011-01-18/tech/facebook.phone.privacy_1_facebook-news-feed-app?_s=PM:TECH)
Doo doo doo (http://forums.techgage.com/showthread.php?t=6294)
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 25, 2012, 10:47:09 pm
Tbh at present its too useful a tool to dump casually
Post by: kaijyuu on August 25, 2012, 10:49:36 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 25, 2012, 10:51:26 pm
Do as everyone does and provide fake infoI could've sworn I already covered this.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 25, 2012, 10:54:20 pm
Post by: Descan on August 25, 2012, 10:56:27 pm
Having one single social site monopolizing that market has its benefits...
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 25, 2012, 11:05:27 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 25, 2012, 11:05:39 pm
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
Post by: Sirus on August 25, 2012, 11:10:47 pm
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.I have one, but I never even uploaded a picture and haven't been on for over a year :P
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 25, 2012, 11:18:52 pm
Did you?Yup.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 25, 2012, 11:27:32 pm
I've been wondering: Isn't facebook pretty damn close to a monopoly? I haven't heard of anyone legitimately having a MySpace or anything for like, years. It's always facebook.MySpace has pretty much turned into a tool for small-time bands.
Post by: da_nang on August 25, 2012, 11:34:13 pm
If I want to keep contact with the people I call them, send email or hop on the next train. /hipster
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 25, 2012, 11:51:40 pm
Meh, screw these "social network" sites. Just block the websites and be done with them. Only evil can come from such abominations.It's a sad state of affairs when doing that is hipster :\
If I want to keep contact with the people I call them, send email or hop on the next train. /hipster
Post by: Criptfeind on August 25, 2012, 11:53:17 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 25, 2012, 11:55:54 pm
Anti conformist?
Sounds hipster to me!
Though tbh that's another word that lost all meaning, if it had meaning in the first place.
I'm fine beingFixed that for me.completely antisocial andnot having a Facebook.
:(
Post by: Criptfeind on August 25, 2012, 11:57:48 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 25, 2012, 11:59:30 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 26, 2012, 12:03:27 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 26, 2012, 12:09:49 am
Mine comes from TvTropes, also known as the most reliable source for everything ever:
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hipsters (if such a thing can even be found as no one seems willing to call themselves by this name) view themselves as intellectuals who reject the mainstream and carefully define their own identities
Sort of the ubermensch of culture. Which doesn't sound that bad to me, tbh.
Post by: da_nang on August 26, 2012, 12:16:02 am
Post by: Oliolli on August 26, 2012, 12:58:23 am
Also,
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 26, 2012, 01:30:35 am
You'll have to give me your definition of hipster, then. 'Cause it's not the same as mine.
Mine comes from TvTropes, also known as the most reliable source for everything ever:Quotehipsters (if such a thing can even be found as no one seems willing to call themselves by this name) view themselves as intellectuals who reject the mainstream and carefully define their own identities
Sort of the ubermensch of culture. Which doesn't sound that bad to me, tbh.
The problem with being a special snowflake nonconformist is that everyone else is, too. You're always the most intelligent, unique person when within the confines of your mind.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 26, 2012, 01:37:16 am
The problem with being a special snowflake nonconformist is that everyone else is, too. You're always the most intelligent, unique person when within the confines of your mind.
... So I'm the opposite of a hipster for knowing I can be a total idiot like eighty percent of the time?
Post by: Sheb on August 26, 2012, 04:06:31 am
And my friends aren't douchebags, so they don't put up my info.
Post by: MonkeyHead on August 26, 2012, 06:39:06 am
Post by: Scoops Novel on August 26, 2012, 07:29:20 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 26, 2012, 08:02:47 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 26, 2012, 08:08:23 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 26, 2012, 08:16:09 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 26, 2012, 08:37:03 am
Post by: Scoops Novel on August 26, 2012, 08:37:41 am
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"Arrrrrgh!" I thought to myself. "Here I am speaking to the first man on the Moon and all I can think of asking him are his impressions of Cranfield University!". I knew that I could only ask one more question. "Don't waste it", I thought as he finished answering my second question.
"When you set foot on the Moon all things seemed possible. The very stars seemed within our grasp. But now that dream has gone. Whatever happened to the Armstrong dream?
And he gazed down toward me - his kindly presence filled my vision as if I was being spoken to by a god. He said: "The dream remains! The reality has faded a bit, but it will come back, in time."
And with that reassurance, he set my world straight again. My cynicism had evaporated, my smallness was no more and I could dream about the possibility of exploring the stars once again.
Post by: DarkWolfXV on August 26, 2012, 11:44:31 am
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 26, 2012, 11:45:46 am
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
Post by: Darvi on August 26, 2012, 11:46:44 am
Post by: kaijyuu on August 26, 2012, 11:47:49 am
Post by: ab00 on August 26, 2012, 11:51:58 am
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on August 26, 2012, 11:52:58 am
Post by: Scelly9 on August 26, 2012, 11:54:11 am
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 26, 2012, 11:56:01 am
You'll have to give me your definition of hipster, then. 'Cause it's not the same as mine.
Same thing. But it is not a rejection of the mainstream (nor is it intellectualism) to not like social media.
Additionally I feel there is a important part of the modern definition that is the rejection is for rejections sake, which is simply not there in this case.
Post by: miauw62 on August 26, 2012, 12:10:22 pm
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 26, 2012, 12:11:40 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 26, 2012, 12:13:24 pm
And no one rejects anything just to reject it. They reject it to prove a point of some sort. Here it's to show disgust toward the consequences of this new form of communication. Your music hipster rejects stuff because they feel it pretentious and that it doesn't speak to them specifically. Your tech hipster loves customization far more than user friendliness. There's always a point to be made, and with hipsters it pretty much always boils down to "it doesn't fit me."
The snobby superiority is the problem with your stereotypical hipster, and none of the stuff above.
I'm getting tired of semantic debates, but you can get the last word in if you want.
Well it's good to see we're all antisocial over here on B12. I would say we should form some kind of antisocial community if that weren't so glaringly contradictory.Which is exactly why we should do it.
Post by: Darvi on August 26, 2012, 12:15:24 pm
Well it's good to see we're all antisocial over here on B12. I would say we should form some kind of antisocial community if that weren't so glaringly contradictory.My thoughts exactly, but then I realised. Sense? Where we're going we don't need no sense.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 26, 2012, 12:15:42 pm
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
... Wait a second.
:P
Post by: Blacksmith on August 26, 2012, 12:16:30 pm
It just makes planning and keeping track of parties and events so easy! And also I can be a snail who constantly twits about his snail life on the bookface.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 26, 2012, 12:19:04 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 26, 2012, 12:20:31 pm
Post by: Mageziya on August 26, 2012, 12:43:25 pm
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
Post by: Oliolli on August 26, 2012, 01:16:25 pm
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 26, 2012, 01:19:27 pm
Here is my last word.
I'm out.
You can put in a last word if you are a loser.
Fine. Here is my last word: Hypocrite.
Post by: Descan on August 26, 2012, 04:38:53 pm
I do not understand.
Post by: Blacksmith on August 26, 2012, 04:49:56 pm
And no one rejects anything just to reject it. They reject it to prove a point of some sort.Huh? There are... lots of other reasons to reject things. I don't reject Badoo to make a point - I just don't want to use it. It doesn't offer anything I desire. If I were to reject Facebook for the same reason (say, because all my friends were on Badoo), I honestly don't think that would be "hipsterish".
Post by: kaijyuu on August 26, 2012, 04:53:22 pm
And arguably, if you pick option A over option B because B is better, you're proving a point that A is worse. But that's just pedantic.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 26, 2012, 07:21:10 pm
Hrm, yes. The "hipsterish" reason to reject something is to prove a point, though.Maybe at first. But most of the hipsters I've known were expressly doing it because it was the thing to do. Except for the hipsters who were so meta that they never shut up about how annoying hipsters were.
And arguably, if you pick option A over option B because B is better, you're proving a point that A is worse. But that's just pedantic.
Post by: MorleyDev on August 26, 2012, 07:35:12 pm
I listen to One-Eyed Doll not because they're ridiculously obscure, but because I like the music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTQA0H1rb4). I've worn some ...somewhat weird outfits because I thought they'd look good. Not a case of fashion-following or trying to stand out for the sake of it, I just thought wearing a white waistcoat with a thin silver scarf to the college "Prom" would look snazzy. And damn did it (http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j479/MorleyDev/Untitled-1.png) :D I did win "Most Fashionable Male" but I think that was because I was the only person who intentionally owned three Waistcoats -__-
Never understood wearing clothes or listening to music to fit in. Wear what you think looks good and are comfortable in, listen to music you like. Lady Gaga is next to Ladytron are a few steps behind Leonard Cohen and a few steps before The Lion King soundtrack in my music library and so it shall remain, unless more L[whatever] musicians catch my ear :)
Post by: kaijyuu on August 26, 2012, 07:37:34 pm
Post by: Descan on August 26, 2012, 08:00:24 pm
I would -totally- wear a male-focused dress. Ain't gonna wear a frilly sun-dress, armless. But a dress in general? All over that.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 26, 2012, 08:08:48 pm
I've said it before.How about a tunic?
I would -totally- wear a male-focused dress. Ain't gonna wear a frilly sun-dress, armless. But a dress in general? All over that.
Post by: Descan on August 26, 2012, 08:10:49 pm
And a kilt.
And a skirt.
Post by: Kamin on August 26, 2012, 08:12:11 pm
Yep.How about nothing? Eh? Ehhhh?
And a kilt.
And a skirt.
Post by: Descan on August 26, 2012, 08:21:54 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on August 26, 2012, 08:29:46 pm
Post by: Descan on August 26, 2012, 08:44:06 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on August 26, 2012, 08:57:27 pm
Seriously, last time I tried a full body shave, it took me a dozen razor blades (Mach 3) and three full cans of shaving cream.
Also, my body hair got me back. I had a full body itch for a week when it grew back in.
Post by: Kamin on August 26, 2012, 08:59:56 pm
Ha! You and your puny razors. They will fall to the raw manliness of my chest hair.*shudder*
Seriously, last time I tried a full body shave, it took me a dozen razor blades (Mach 3) and three full cans of shaving cream.
Also, my body hair got me back. I had a full body itch for a week when it grew back in.
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 26, 2012, 09:10:21 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on August 26, 2012, 09:17:14 pm
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
I am now in the quote pyramid twice. I feel like a ninja. :P
Post by: Corai on August 26, 2012, 09:18:25 pm
I'm fine being completely antisocial and not having a Facebook.
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on August 26, 2012, 09:19:29 pm
Ha! You and your puny razors. They will fall to the raw manliness of my chest hair.
Seriously, last time I tried a full body shave, it took me a dozen razor blades (Mach 3) and three full cans of shaving cream.
Also, my body hair got me back. I had a full body itch for a week when it grew back in.
Its Bigfoot in hiding, he has become civilised.
you should try a full body wax, if women can do it you should, Aslo your pain shall amuse us, more so when full body beard itch* kicks in.
* blasted normal beard itch is bad enogh
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 26, 2012, 09:19:54 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on August 26, 2012, 09:20:15 pm
And no lightsaber or wax for my body. The symbiote and I have come to be at peace.
Post by: Remalle on August 26, 2012, 09:21:20 pm
I'm fine being unoriginal and continuing this quote pyramid.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 26, 2012, 09:22:48 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 26, 2012, 09:58:57 pm
Post by: scriver on August 27, 2012, 02:14:28 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 27, 2012, 02:18:08 am
Don't quote pyramid, it fucks up the forum; and no, it isn't funny; and no, nobody is impressed by how awesome you think you are for not having Facebook. Nobody cares.How exactly does it fuck up the forum?
Post by: Sheb on August 27, 2012, 02:21:04 am
Since pyramids don't actually add anything to the conversation, they're usually shunned on this forum.
Post by: Scoops Novel on August 27, 2012, 05:36:26 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 27, 2012, 05:49:11 am
(Well, once it made him angry, on a thread that was specifically about having the largest quote pyramid. )
Stay classy Bay12
Post by: Mini on August 27, 2012, 07:10:18 am
We should all be antisocial together.We could even make a FB group or something! :D
Post by: Oliolli on August 27, 2012, 07:27:28 am
I was going to suggest that!We should all be antisocial together.We could even make a FB group or something! :D
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 27, 2012, 10:06:34 am
Post by: RedKing on August 27, 2012, 10:15:37 am
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST ZION.
Post by: Frumple on August 27, 2012, 11:08:41 am
Post by: Zangi on August 27, 2012, 11:44:43 am
Religion: Nu
Politics: Opening scene from Chrono Cross
and.. I don't really remember what else I put there, I remember having a hard time adding random quotes to the other categories...
Edit: I now
Post by: Mini on August 27, 2012, 12:21:55 pm
Post by: Siquo on August 28, 2012, 09:45:38 am
Being hipster happens. It's like being a clock that stands still, you're 100% correct at least twice a day (which results in me being "hip" twice every decade or so).
Post by: Sheb on August 28, 2012, 10:18:03 am
Post by: Yoink on August 28, 2012, 01:34:59 pm
E: Also, on topic, do things I catch myself thinking count? Because earlier I was playing Wii table tennis, half-asleep, and thought(this was probably part of some train of thought which I can't really remember): "I might be straight, but I can understand lesbians, at least. Women are so much more attractive than males, after all."
A moment later I thought, "Hang on, that doesn't really... Make sense. Huh." I'm just glad I don't voice this kind of sleep-deprived derp out loud. :P
Post by: MaximumZero on August 28, 2012, 02:30:19 pm
Not sure if I mentioned this one, but there was a person that aclled my (white) friend The N-word.I got that once in a while in high school, mostly from my black friends. I think the only logical response is, "LOLwut?"
which makes no sense in any way, shape or form. especially since he was saying it in an insulting way :-\
Post by: kaijyuu on August 28, 2012, 02:32:39 pm
So yeah, wtf.
Post by: Mephisto on August 28, 2012, 02:43:26 pm
"I'm older than you. I can say whatever I want. Little boys like you should keep your opinions to yourselves."
Said cousin is two years older than me and I'm in my mid-20s. The response was regarding a conversation about my uncle's bullshit opinions about treating other humans as second-class citizens.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 28, 2012, 02:48:58 pm
Post by: Kamin on August 28, 2012, 02:54:16 pm
My dearest uncle had the following to say to a cousin of mine:You should tell him that there's a reason for the phenomena aptly titled "the Drunken Uncle."
"I'm older than you. I can say whatever I want. Little boys like you should keep your opinions to yourselves."
Said cousin is two years older than me and I'm in my mid-20s. The response was regarding a conversation about my uncle's bullshit opinions about treating other humans as second-class citizens.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 29, 2012, 12:30:02 am
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Not trying to be informative, just stating my opinion.. There is a difference if you had any intelligence
Post by: Hanslanda on August 29, 2012, 12:36:28 am
From a random internet debate:QuoteNot trying to be informative, just stating my opinion.. There is a difference if you had any intelligence
... The derp... It is strong in this one.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 29, 2012, 12:48:36 am
From a random internet debate:Ah, the truth has been revealed!QuoteNot trying to say anything of value, just being a dick... There is a difference if you had any intelligence
Post by: Mephansteras on August 29, 2012, 11:41:39 am
From a random internet debate:QuoteNot trying to be informative, just stating my opinion.. There is a difference if you had any intelligence
That one might need some context to determine if it's really stupid. If the guy was saying "I think X movie sucks because of Y", then, yeah, they're stating an opinion and not being informative. If they're saying "I think Blah is wrong because of [random fact that may or may not be true]" then that's not an opinion and the person is being dumb.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 29, 2012, 12:42:45 pm
Opinions are pretty worthless without reasons to back them up. I can scream to the sky that X sucks, but without explaining why I'm just wasting my breath, no matter who hears me.
So at best, they're just wasting people's bandwidth then firing off personal attacks when people disagree. That'd still qualify for this thread, imo :P
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 29, 2012, 01:06:45 pm
So I'm on the youtubes doing youtubes things, when I look deeply into the comments section.I love it :DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
(Oddly enough No said quite possibly the smartest thing there).
Post by: miauw62 on August 29, 2012, 01:09:48 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 29, 2012, 01:10:13 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on August 29, 2012, 01:10:52 pm
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Did you just quote one of your own posts and say "I love it"?Do not question Loud Whispers!
Post by: kaijyuu on August 29, 2012, 01:14:49 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 29, 2012, 01:19:49 pm
Post by: lordcooper on August 30, 2012, 05:31:50 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on August 30, 2012, 07:42:31 am
Post by: lordcooper on August 30, 2012, 08:02:24 am
Sorry dude, but you totally have to put yourself in this thread now.
+1
Post by: MantisMan on September 25, 2012, 12:33:05 am
We're all secretly mantises. Except that one guy. We're trolling the shit out of him.Wait, what?
Post by: Darvi on September 25, 2012, 12:36:20 am
lolololololoWe're all secretly mantises. Except that one guy. We're trolling the shit out of him.Wait, what?
Post by: MaximumZero on September 25, 2012, 03:51:57 am
lolololololololololololoWe're all secretly mantises. Except that one guy. We're trolling the shit out of him.Wait, what?
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 25, 2012, 04:45:57 am
oioioioioioilolololololololololololoWe're all secretly mantises. Except that one guy. We're trolling the shit out of him.Wait, what?
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 25, 2012, 04:48:56 am
Post by: Oliolli on September 25, 2012, 07:09:25 am
(http://i52.tinypic.com/iwk5c9.gif)
Post by: Siquo on September 25, 2012, 07:33:59 am
Spoiler: lololololol (click to show/hide)
Post by: darkrider2 on September 25, 2012, 11:32:19 am
oioioioioioilolololololololololololoWe're all secretly mantises. Except that one guy. We're trolling the shit out of him.Wait, what?
AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LEAVE ME ALONE!
Wait... was that last one a swedish mantis?
I probably shouldn't contribute to this derail any further.
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 25, 2012, 12:10:24 pm
Post by: Descan on September 25, 2012, 01:20:54 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 25, 2012, 01:47:37 pm
/me pops up from the wood work**Wearing a historically totally inaccurate viking helm and missing a beard
Post by: Descan on September 25, 2012, 01:48:26 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 25, 2012, 01:48:42 pm
Post by: SealyStar on September 25, 2012, 02:08:08 pm
Another quip from my maybe-racist friend to get this rolling:
"I'm gonna beat you like a slave! It's not racist, a black guy told it to me!"
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 25, 2012, 03:35:52 pm
Post by: RedKing on September 25, 2012, 03:38:11 pm
on maybe racist jokes,when i told my slavic friend where the word slave came from, he went all like "fuckin niggas takin our jobs"....okay, I admit I laughed like hell at that.
i'm a bad person :-[
Post by: MonkeyHead on September 25, 2012, 03:39:07 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on September 25, 2012, 03:41:47 pm
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I don't like Achilles because he worships a false god and not the one and only true god that will bring salvation to him. I find Jesus to be better than him, because he helps people.
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 25, 2012, 03:56:31 pm
From my Great Books discussion group:Let me guess, fundamentalist? I suppose it's better that the discussion isn't about his sexuality at least.QuoteI don't like Achilles because he worships a false god and not the one and only true god that will bring salvation to him. I find Jesus to be better than him, because he helps people.
Post by: Scelly9 on September 25, 2012, 03:57:50 pm
Yeah. The worst bit is, we weren't even talking about religion. We where trying to talk about the battle of troy.From my Great Books discussion group:Let me guess, fundamentalist? I suppose it's better that the discussion isn't about his sexuality at least.QuoteI don't like Achilles because he worships a false god and not the one and only true god that will bring salvation to him. I find Jesus to be better than him, because he helps people.
Post by: Vorthon on September 25, 2012, 03:59:01 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 25, 2012, 04:02:25 pm
Fundamentalists: The subject is of a discussion is no obstacle to finding a way to insert TEH LORD JEEZUS into it.Fundamentalists: Comparing Jesus to Jesus and coming to the conclusion Jesus is better because he worshipped Jesus.
Post by: Graknorke on September 25, 2012, 04:05:33 pm
Quote from: Some shit today
Guy I was talking to: Do you ever think where human diease and stuff came from? Like AIDS and all that? Who got it first, were they born with it or what?
Some guy: IT'S ALL COME FROM THE GAYS!
I know that he was from an Islamic background so his parent's views on any deviancy are probably more in line with Texas and Carolina than with what we would expect on the other side of the Atlantic, so I should be more patient because of the things he'll have been told growing up.
But really? I don't even know how sexuality factored into that discussion at all. Not to mention than if STDs are God's punishment to gays, then he must really love lesbians.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 25, 2012, 04:05:38 pm
"The plague among the invaders was caused when a priest's daughter was enslaved and he prayed to Apollo for vengeance, so Apollo came down with his bow and started picking people off. Certainly not because disease is inevitable in sieges with little medical or biological knowledge."
"The plague happened because God hates the Jews, Muslims, paganists, and assorted other heretics. Despite most of them believing in the same God. Certainly not because nobody bathes and plaguebearing creatures are all over the place."
Post by: Mlamlah on September 25, 2012, 05:40:16 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on September 25, 2012, 05:42:55 pm
"i want to go on vacation in scotland, do you soeak scottish?"
Oddly, that's not quite as dumb as it should be. Although I'm sure the speaker used it in the much dumber sense.
Post by: SealyStar on September 25, 2012, 05:50:02 pm
"I want to go out to eat, so... do you know any place near here that serves Welsh food?"
Or something to that effect.
Implying that a). Welsh food is any good and b). Any place near where tourists/travelers roam still has Welsh food for less than 200 pounds/plate.
Post by: kaenneth on September 25, 2012, 06:01:25 pm
"Knowingly providing hyperlinks on websites to terrorist content must be defined by law as illegal just like the terrorist content itself"
"Governments must disseminate lists of illegal, terrorist websites"
Post by: Zrk2 on September 25, 2012, 06:21:35 pm
Oh, thank God. A necro.
Another quip from my maybe-racist friend to get this rolling:
"I'm gonna beat you like a slave! It's not racist, a black guy told it to me!"
Oh, thank God. A necro.
Another quip from my maybe-racist friend to get this rolling:
"I'm gonna beat you like a slave! It's not racist, a black guy told it to me!"
In that vein I once heard (to a black guy) "I'ma betchoo li
Oh, thank God. A necro.
Another quip from my maybe-racist friend to get this rolling:
"I'm gonna beat you like a slave! It's not racist, a black guy told it to me!"
In the same vein I heard this the other day (said to a black guy): "I'ma beatchoo like mah fo-daddies beatcho fo-daddies!"
Post by: Sirus on September 25, 2012, 06:23:48 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on September 25, 2012, 06:27:48 pm
Post by: bombzero on September 25, 2012, 06:31:05 pm
tl;dr I enjoy pissing off hypocrites.
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 25, 2012, 08:14:50 pm
Then they kill him off quickly and hope people don't look too hard at why.
Post by: SealyStar on September 25, 2012, 08:27:04 pm
Yeah. It's sad reverse discrimination is mainly used by racist assholes to justify their racism since it's actually a real thing. Hence why every TV show on American television has a black guy as a main character, even though logically the guy living in 14th century britian in a small town far away from anywhere anyone with money would keep a slave, or anything that might attract a freed slave, or a immigrant from Africa, any of that, there's a black guy inexplicably friends with the MC.
Then they kill him off quickly and hope people don't look too hard at why.
Yeah, reverse discrimination is just as bad as regular discrimination, but no one takes it seriously because it's taken to extremes by uptight racist assholes who use it to whine about how they're mistreated. No one bats an eye if people talk about "Black history month", say "proud to be black", or add historically out-of-place black people to media for PC cred. But if you say "White history month", "proud to be white", or add out-of-place white people to a history series about Africa, it's some grievous offense.
Same thing as the whole "men's rights" thing. Should just be a counterpoint about how insane, extremist feminists should temper its goals to support actual gender equality, as opposed to female dominance, but instead it's been adopted by misogynists who just think it's a counterpoint to feminism in general.
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 25, 2012, 08:45:58 pm
Being proud of being white should probably be less problematic, but its history of being arm-in-arm with white supremacy has made a lot of people uneasy about it. Personally I'm wary of anyone who's proud of being white, but fine with anyone proud of being Irish/German/insert specific European heritage here.
Post by: Sirus on September 25, 2012, 08:54:06 pm
Post by: Descan on September 25, 2012, 08:55:37 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on September 25, 2012, 09:07:20 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 25, 2012, 10:01:32 pm
When my ancestors left they must have quartered the population right there.
Post by: MantisMan on September 25, 2012, 10:06:32 pm
I wonder what Bay12 demographics are...From what I recall from reading that Bay12 meetup thread a while ago, most of us are bizarrely beardless. Basically an almost stereotypical lanky nerd. Vaguely northern european-ish appearances (white skin). I differ from the norm in that I have a sort of mustache-goatee thing going on, kinda like Gordon Freeman.
One side of my family seems to spend one generation in a european country before moving on, while the other side of my family is from Germany. Both sides moved to North America shortly before WW1.
Disclaimer: I wasn't at the meetup, I just saw the report and the pictures on the thread. From what I could tell, there were slightly over a dozen people there, so that implies a very limited non-representative sample. I also do not recall any information about how many of the B12ers at the meetup wore glasses.
Yeah. It's sad reverse discrimination is mainly used by racist assholes to justify their racism since it's actually a real thing. Hence why every TV show on American television has a black guy as a main character, even though logically the guy living in 14th century britian in a small town far away from anywhere anyone with money would keep a slave, or anything that might attract a freed slave, or a immigrant from Africa, any of that, there's a black guy inexplicably friends with the MC.
Then they kill him off quickly and hope people don't look too hard at why.
Yeah, reverse discrimination is just as bad as regular discrimination, but no one takes it seriously because it's taken to extremes by uptight racist assholes who use it to whine about how they're mistreated. No one bats an eye if people talk about "Black history month", say "proud to be black", or add historically out-of-place black people to media for PC cred. But if you say "White history month", "proud to be white", or add out-of-place white people to a history series about Africa, it's some grievous offense.
Same thing as the whole "men's rights" thing. Should just be a counterpoint about how insane, extremist feminists should temper its goals to support actual gender equality, as opposed to female dominance, but instead it's been adopted by misogynists who just think it's a counterpoint to feminism in general.
I think pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in everything related to reverse-discrimination / discrimination is a very worthy thing to do. Let everyone be free to speak their piece, and the absurd, moronic ideas will (hopefully) be seen as absurd and moronic.
The Men's Rights stuff I've read has been remarkably reasonable. Any purely hostile comments I've seen have been downvote bombed, with the authors being banned from the site. The most hostile real-life thing I've read about was people sitting on some official's roof while dressed as superheros. Of the regular posters I can recall, the gender split is about 50/50.
It's entirely possible that I'm misreading what you're saying about this. If so, let me know. Otherwise, It's probably a good idea to just avoid the subject. Political discussions bring politics, which beget politicians, which spawns nobles, which bring about unfortunate accidents.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 25, 2012, 10:30:06 pm
Post by: Sirus on September 25, 2012, 10:36:29 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 25, 2012, 10:51:01 pm
Post by: MantisMan on September 26, 2012, 12:09:34 am
Of course, just like the female-dominance groups, you have the "men's rights" groups that want to go back to the days when women were basically wombs with legs ::)I have seen literally no-one seriously say this. The general consensus, from what I can gather, is that things have changed a lot due to the industrial revolution, and this has the potential to make lives for everyone much better. The tricky thing to figure out is how to divide out of home labour (like in the work force) with in home labour (home making, essentially). There are several MRA commenters who are "house husbands" for their wives, and find the lifestyle works out well for everyone involved. There is no insistence among MRAs any significant numbers, afaik, to switching back to the traditional roles.
To explain this another way, we can think about the "old time roles" like this:
Women - Stay at home, make food and raise children
- limiting (few realistic options aside from this), stifling (not much time for hobbies), aggravating. Especially if this individual happens to have an unusual amount of potential.
Men - Work out of the house and be responsible for bringing in the sole support, work in a dangerous environment with no worker's rights.
- Limiting (relatively little education in those days), pressure (the lives of several people depend on the work), dangerous (no worker's rights, potentially life-threatening labour). However, if an individual happens to be lucky and have an unusual amount of potential, they can find themselves at the top of the pyramid, so to speak.
The lives of the majority of all people wasn't that great, and the few people who had all the perks, the ones at the top of society, happened to be a very small number of high-potential men. The lives of the high-potential women tended to be frustratingly unremarkable. The lives of the average woman was very limited, but generally tolerable, to the best of the husband's ability to provide. The lives of the average man can be said to be different from the average woman (assuming everyone marries) in that the responsibility (pressure) of earning the money to keep everyone in the family clothed and fed (remember, they had big families in those days) and the experience of working long shifts (the first set of labour laws I know of was to limit the work day to a maximum of 16 hours - for women and children) in dangerous work environments. I'm assuming that cooking, cleaning, and washing a shit-ton of clothes by hand was, not fun, but less hazardous to the health than working in a coal mine or putting together a high-rise building, or logging.
If we're talking about the few who win the metaphorical lottery, then there's no question that men tend to have it much better than women in pretty much all measurable categories. But when you expand the criteria to include all people in a population, the analysis becomes a lot less simple.
Abstracting the old gender roles into saying that "all the power was in the hands of men" is a logical fallacy, since most of the power was in the hand of a very small number of men, who exercised their power over, for the most part, other men. It turns a class-based complaint into a gender-based complaint. It's about rich vs poor, not men vs women.
The argument boils down to asserting that the complaints about historical gender roles can be made by anyone, and that we should find a new system that works out well for everyone rather than dumping all responsibility on just one person's shoulders.
I kind of hope this is the end of this particular thread of the derail, but something tells me it isn't. I hope this post was coherent, at least. I was flipping through a lot of tabs. Prisoners to disarm, goblinite to melt, etc.
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on September 26, 2012, 12:18:19 am
Of course, just like the female-dominance groups, you have the "men's rights" groups that want to go back to the days when women were basically wombs with legs ::)No. Men's rights people want true equality, rather than women getting everything handed to them, and men being crushed by a legal system that panders unconditionally to women.
Post by: Sirus on September 26, 2012, 12:22:54 am
But in every viewpoint, there is an extremist view. You've got websites run by women who think that 90% of males should be forcibly castrated and that women should run everything. Conversely, you've got websites run by men that want to ban women from the workplace, forbid them from voting, and basically keep them chained up in the kitchen "where they belong".
Post by: Flying Dice on September 26, 2012, 12:56:50 am
You're very fortunate to live in a place where you don't have people that think that (or at least aren't vocal about it). Though given that you're on the internet, I'm rather surprised that you haven't. In fact, most of the people who are supposedly supporters of men's rights are in fact antifeminists; they don't want equality, they want feminism to go away.Of course, just like the female-dominance groups, you have the "men's rights" groups that want to go back to the days when women were basically wombs with legs ::)I have seen literally no-one seriously say this.
The general consensus, from what I can gather, is that things have changed a lot due to the industrial revolution, and this has the potential to make lives for everyone much better. The tricky thing to figure out is how to divide out of home labour (like in the work force) with in home labour (home making, essentially). There are several MRA commenters who are "house husbands" for their wives, and find the lifestyle works out well for everyone involved. There is no insistence among MRAs any significant numbers, afaik, to switching back to the traditional roles.
What does this have to do with the issue? If anything, this is an indication that we haven't come far enough, that we're only just now realizing that men don't need to be the de facto breadwinners. The goal of gender equality is a society where it is wholly unremarkable that someone is a certain gender in light of their home life, job, etc.
To explain this another way, we can think about the "old time roles" like this:
Women - Stay at home, make food and raise children
- limiting (few realistic options aside from this), stifling (not much time for hobbies), aggravating. Especially if this individual happens to have an unusual amount of potential.
Men - Work out of the house and be responsible for bringing in the sole support, work in a dangerous environment with no worker's rights.
- Limiting (relatively little education in those days), pressure (the lives of several people depend on the work), dangerous (no worker's rights, potentially life-threatening labour). However, if an individual happens to be lucky and have an unusual amount of potential, they can find themselves at the top of the pyramid, so to speak.
You need to read up a bit more on gender roles in medieval and ancient societies. Women were hardly stay-at-home mothers; there was too much work to be done for anyone to devote their time to nothing but child-rearing. For that matter, children tended to start working at very young ages (by our standards) as well. In any case both men and women had a large number of tasks to perform, though they were fairly disparate in terms of perceived importance. This sort of situation has existed for about as long as human civilization has, and only really began to change around the industrial revolution, where there was a sudden increase in the amount of work away from the household that didn't require remarkable physical strength and endurance combined with a shift of a large amount of former household tasks to factories. However, the potential in the Industrial Revolution for lessening the gender divide didn't really make a massive appearance until the 1900s when there were too many men either dead or at war for factory owners to effectively practice gender discrimination.
The lives of the majority of all people wasn't that great, and the few people who had all the perks, the ones at the top of society, happened to be a very small number of high-potential men. The lives of the high-potential women tended to be frustratingly unremarkable. The lives of the average woman was very limited, but generally tolerable, to the best of the husband's ability to provide. The lives of the average man can be said to be different from the average woman (assuming everyone marries) in that the responsibility (pressure) of earning the money to keep everyone in the family clothed and fed (remember, they had big families in those days) and the experience of working long shifts (the first set of labour laws I know of was to limit the work day to a maximum of 16 hours - for women and children) in dangerous work environments. I'm assuming that cooking, cleaning, and washing a shit-ton of clothes by hand was, not fun, but less hazardous to the health than working in a coal mine or putting together a high-rise building, or logging.
If we're talking about the few who win the metaphorical lottery, then there's no question that men tend to have it much better than women in pretty much all measurable categories. But when you expand the criteria to include all people in a population, the analysis becomes a lot less simple.
Just because the average man wasn't very well off doesn't mean that he wasn't better off than the average woman. There's this little idea called 'civil rights'. Granted, it took quite a while for non-nobility to get serious rights to begin with, but it happened a hell of a lot faster than it did for women. For context, the Susan B. Anthony Amendment (the 19th) in the U.S. was only barely ratified with the minimum number of states in 1920, after numerous failed attempts. Mississippi didn't ratify it until 1984; the U.S., supposedly one of the freest democratic societies in the world, existed for more than 200 years before every member state recognized that women should be allowed to vote.
The first modern conception of civil rights as such, the Magna Carta, was passed into law in 1225. The first modern nation to give women the vote was New Zealand, in 1893. It took close to 700 years for "Western" society to get from the idea of, "Gee, maybe freemen should have some rights." to "Gee, maybe slightly more than 50% of our population should get some sort of say in our representative government.
This is about relative levels of wealth? Bull. Shit. Don't try to equate "I don't have very much money." to "My country doesn't recognize that I'm a human being capable of rational thought."
Abstracting the old gender roles into saying that "all the power was in the hands of men" is a logical fallacy, since most of the power was in the hand of a very small number of men, who exercised their power over, for the most part, other men. It turns a class-based complaint into a gender-based complaint. It's about rich vs poor, not men vs women.Read the above. There's no fucking abstraction there, it's historical fact. Nearly every human civilization (with a few notable exceptions) has been exclusively patriarchal. The only reason female rulers in western society were a thing is because they cared about "noble" (read: inbred) blood and divine right more than their other prejudices. 1924 was the year in which Nina Bang was elected as Danish Minister of Education, the first woman to be a minister in a democratically elected parliamentary government. The first female prime minister (Sirivamo Bandaranaike of Sri Lanka) was elected in 1960. The first female president (Isabel Perón of Argentina) was elected in 1974.
So yeah, roughly 110 years of history since a nation first recognized that women were capable of being full citizens. Just under 89 years since a nation recognized that women can, in fact, act in leadership roles in government. Recorded human history? ~5,000 years. Humanity began to exhibit behavioral modernity ~50,000 years ago. Think about that.
The argument boils down to asserting that the complaints about historical gender roles can be made by anyone, and that we should find a new system that works out well for everyone rather than dumping all responsibility on just one person's shoulders.Not quite. The argument boils down to a lot of babbling about how most men had a pretty rough time of it too, so what's a little discrimination among friends? What's this about responsibility? Isn't that what you're doing when you say to blame the big, bad leaders who made life shitty for everyone?
I kind of hope this is the end of this particular thread of the derail, but something tells me it isn't. I hope this post was coherent, at least. I was flipping through a lot of tabs. Prisoners to disarm, goblinite to melt, etc.
It'd be nice if the majority of MRA that are out there were genuinely promoting equality. It'd be nice if they weren't automatically tarred with the brush of misogyny. But then, they would be and they wouldn't be respectively if the vast majority of supposed MRA types weren't in fact raging misogynists who use feminist extremists to justify their own bigotry. If you really don't want to believe, go look at some of the relevant subreddits, but make sure to have a bucket and towel ready if you do it on a full stomach.
Post by: Graknorke on September 26, 2012, 01:10:28 am
The past isn't relevant, seeing as it's already happened. And in the present, the people you have problems with are the ones who hate women, but I doubt there's any of them here, so it's not really much use shouting down everyone around here. I'd suggest Youtube or Tumblr or somewhere else where there's a lot of people putting stupid opinions everywhere.
Post by: lemon10 on September 26, 2012, 01:16:54 am
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The first modern conception of civil rights as such, the Magna Carta, was passed into law in 1225. The first modern nation to give women the vote was New Zealand, in 1893. It took close to 700 years for "Western" society to get from the idea of, "Gee, maybe freemen should have some rights." to "Gee, maybe slightly more than 50% of our population should get some sort of say in our representative government.[minor nitpick]The Magna Carta wasn't really about the rights of those without power, it was about enforcing the rights of the high nobility.
I would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 26, 2012, 01:31:18 am
This'd make a great discussion for the progressive discussion thread, but it kinda stopped belonging in the stupid thread a while ago...
Post by: da_nang on September 26, 2012, 01:39:04 am
I can't help but feel you both missed my point. Most feminist and MRA groups, in my experience, seek equality in the workplace, fair child support/custody laws, and similar things. That stuff is fine.QFT. Although, to avoid confusing the moderates with the extremists, I wonder if it would be worth calling the moderates "gender egalitarians" or just "egalitarians" and the remaining extremists as feminists and masculists. The two latter, literally1, appears to only concern one of the sexes.
But in every viewpoint, there is an extremist view. You've got websites run by women who think that 90% of males should be forcibly castrated and that women should run everything. Conversely, you've got websites run by men that want to ban women from the workplace, forbid them from voting, and basically keep them chained up in the kitchen "where they belong".
1Definition 1 used here. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/literally?s=t)
Post by: Xantalos on September 26, 2012, 01:46:28 am
*Ahem*
This'd make a great discussion for the progressive discussion thread, but it kinda stopped belonging in the stupid thread a while ago...
Post by: Darvi on September 26, 2012, 03:33:04 am
At least one branch of my family is from Luxumbourg, A.K.A The country so small the Goodyear can be spotted on a map of the whole damn thing.So fucking true.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 26, 2012, 04:47:32 am
Agreed, but then again half the posts in the thread don't belong here.*Ahem*
This'd make a great discussion for the progressive discussion thread, but it kinda stopped belonging in the stupid thread a while ago...
Post by: Seamas on September 26, 2012, 05:10:34 am
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 26, 2012, 05:24:14 am
if you want to be even more nitpicky you can say that the us government wasn't always really democratic or has never been democratic. the definition of democracy isn't really set in stone, nor is it a binary adjective, and is dependant on context. many governments we historically class as democratic wouldn't really be thought of as democracies in the modern world, including the founding fathers' americaQuoteThe first modern conception of civil rights as such, the Magna Carta, was passed into law in 1225. The first modern nation to give women the vote was New Zealand, in 1893. It took close to 700 years for "Western" society to get from the idea of, "Gee, maybe freemen should have some rights." to "Gee, maybe slightly more than 50% of our population should get some sort of say in our representative government.[minor nitpick]The Magna Carta wasn't really about the rights of those without power, it was about enforcing the rights of the high nobility.
I would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]
Post by: ed boy on September 26, 2012, 06:11:23 am
The phrase "white history month is 12 months long" comes to mind.Black history doesn't begin with slavery, and blacks exist in more places than America. You can find just as much history of black people doing nasty things as you can of white people. If you're celebrating only the good aspects of black history, then there's plenty of reasons to be proud of being white.
Being proud of being white should probably be less problematic, but its history of being arm-in-arm with white supremacy has made a lot of people uneasy about it. Personally I'm wary of anyone who's proud of being white, but fine with anyone proud of being Irish/German/insert specific European heritage here.
I would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]Except Athens beat the US by about 2000 years.
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 26, 2012, 07:22:32 am
Goodyear as in tire center, mind you. A individual building.At least one branch of my family is from Luxumbourg, A.K.A The country so small the Goodyear can be spotted on a map of the whole damn thing.So fucking true.
It's stupid small and wedged in between France and Germany, earning this weeks award for "How the hell does this country still exist?"
Post by: Darvi on September 26, 2012, 08:01:07 am
And to that last question, banks and tourism I guess?
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 26, 2012, 08:22:43 am
Post by: Darvi on September 26, 2012, 08:24:27 am
I also cheated and flipped the entire map my 90° so that I could zoom in a but further.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 26, 2012, 08:24:38 am
I can see my house on Google maps with a zoom far enough away to see the entire country.I believe it's mainly used as headquarters by several multinationals.
And to that last question, banks and tourism I guess?
Post by: miauw62 on September 26, 2012, 10:42:16 am
Post by: Darvi on September 26, 2012, 10:45:53 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 26, 2012, 10:58:50 am
The phrase "white history month is 12 months long" comes to mind.Black history doesn't begin with slavery, and blacks exist in more places than America. You can find just as much history of black people doing nasty things as you can of white people. If you're celebrating only the good aspects of black history, then there's plenty of reasons to be proud of being white.
Being proud of being white should probably be less problematic, but its history of being arm-in-arm with white supremacy has made a lot of people uneasy about it. Personally I'm wary of anyone who's proud of being white, but fine with anyone proud of being Irish/German/insert specific European heritage here.
Black History Month doesn't exist because white people did bad things. It exists because without it history is even more disproportionately skewed towards whites than it is already. It's not making up for anything white people did in the past, it's compensating for a bias against blacks that exists now.
Post by: kaenneth on September 26, 2012, 11:06:48 am
The phrase "white history month is 12 months long" comes to mind.Black history doesn't begin with slavery, and blacks exist in more places than America. You can find just as much history of black people doing nasty things as you can of white people. If you're celebrating only the good aspects of black history, then there's plenty of reasons to be proud of being white.
Being proud of being white should probably be less problematic, but its history of being arm-in-arm with white supremacy has made a lot of people uneasy about it. Personally I'm wary of anyone who's proud of being white, but fine with anyone proud of being Irish/German/insert specific European heritage here.
Black History Month doesn't exist because white people did bad things. It exists because without it history is even more disproportionately skewed towards whites than it is already. It's not making up for anything white people did in the past, it's compensating for a bias against blacks that exists now.
As Mark Twain said, "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society."
Black people are trying to make up for the long period of being mostly naked in africa by wearing hoodies, puffy jackets, and pants that are too large; but they have a long way to go.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 26, 2012, 11:10:53 am
When it comes to semi recent history, I can understand why it's "skewed" toward whites: they've been on top of the socioeconomic ladder and thus all the big "important" events in economics and politics have been about them. But history classes can certainly move out of Europe a bit when discussing pre-colonial stuff.
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 26, 2012, 11:42:40 am
So it has come to this.That is has.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 26, 2012, 12:23:01 pm
I would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]Except Athens beat the US by about 2000 years.
Except that Athens defined "citizen" as "free property-owning male".
I used the Magna Carta as a somewhat arbitrary "start" date because while it was essentially drafted for the sake of the nobility, it was still a recognition of citizens having rights. But whatever, maybe it was a bad example.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 26, 2012, 12:25:40 pm
Actually, the restriction was a bit stricter. You parents had to be citizens as well, for example, and there was an age limit.(Above 30, I believe).I would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]Except Athens beat the US by about 2000 years.
Except that Athens defined "citizen" as "free property-owning male".
I used the Magna Carta as a somewhat arbitrary "start" date because while it was essentially drafted for the sake of the nobility, it was still a recognition of citizens having rights. But whatever, maybe it was a bad example.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 26, 2012, 12:28:34 pm
Post by: Roboboy33 on September 26, 2012, 12:30:31 pm
"Barrack Obama!"
"And what is he part of?"
"The first lady!"
I dont even.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 26, 2012, 12:32:20 pm
Post by: Roboboy33 on September 26, 2012, 12:34:09 pm
I'm trying to make sense of that and it isn't working. Is it an insult? A complement? A statement of (probably absurd) fact?It was my little sister getting help with her homework :L
Post by: Descan on September 26, 2012, 12:57:59 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 26, 2012, 01:30:02 pm
Except that the US defined "citizen" as "white male". it wasn't any less exclusiveI would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]Except Athens beat the US by about 2000 years.
Except that Athens defined "citizen" as "free property-owning male".
Post by: Pnx on September 26, 2012, 02:07:17 pm
I like Malian history and the Swahili city states. They and north Africa are... Pretty much the only pieces pre-colonial history in Africa I know anything about. Including their existence.Well a lot of Africa doesn't really have much history to look at due to lacking writing. There's the areas that adopted Islamic writings, and one or two places that developed their own, but it wasn't a very wide spread thing in most of Africa.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 26, 2012, 02:11:21 pm
Post by: SealyStar on September 26, 2012, 02:15:01 pm
I can see my house on Google maps with a zoom far enough away to see the entire country.
And to that last question, banks and tourism I guess?
That's strange. I must have a different version of Google Maps, given that I can't even see my city at that zoom.
Are you a billionaire?
And anyway, if we want to de-Europify history, the secret is to actually blend histories, not just teach Euro-American for eight months and then take one to speak endlessly on Africa and African-Americans.
My world history class did that wonderfully. In fact, we probably wound up learning more about China than Britain and the US combined.
Post by: Darvi on September 26, 2012, 02:19:47 pm
That's strange. I must have a different version of Google Maps, given that I can't even see my city at that zoom.You must live in a country that actually has a relevant size.
Post by: SealyStar on September 26, 2012, 02:30:17 pm
That's strange. I must have a different version of Google Maps, given that I can't even see my city at that zoom.You must live in a country that actually has a relevant size.
Wait, do you live in Luxembourg? I thought you meant that if you zoomed in to the largest zoom where you could still see the whole country, then applied that zoom to wherever you lived.
So did you mean that you actually live in Luxembourg? That shouldn't change anything, of course, given that zoom levels are roughly uniform across the map, and I certainly couldn't make out any individual buildings in Luxembourg, let alone one house.
Post by: Darvi on September 26, 2012, 02:32:52 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 26, 2012, 02:49:07 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 26, 2012, 03:17:25 pm
I still want to get a whip round going to see if I can rent the entire country of Luxembourg some day. Just for the sake of being able to say that we'd rented an entire country for a day.And on that day you order by law that a giant fence be constructed to keep the neighbors out of your country, and the Great Wall of Luxembourg becomes the second largest construct on the planet. Finally, people begin to pay attention to Luxembourg, and boldened by their newfound success, the officials of the country declare war on Belgium.
As Luxembourg scrambles from the ashes of Belgium, their conquered cottages and windmills held high, coated in b the blood of innocents, they cry out a manly cry of victory, and their shirts fly off from sheer masculinity. They march on the netherlands next, and no-body cares because no-one really liked sheep anyway, and Luxembourg grows yet more powerful.
Their next target is Denmark, but Sweden and Norway intervene, sending troops to their flagging friend, but the morale of the Luxembourgians cannot be stopped any more than their countries name can be said in a reasonable timeframe. Denmark falls, and soon after the other nordic countries. Iceland surrenders, fearing conquest, and Luxembourg turns the eye of imperialism towards Germany.
But this marks the true beginning of WWIII, and France comes to the Germans aid. Assaulted on both sides and with their capital vulnerable in the tiny little space that used to be Luxembourg, they need allies. Using huge stacks of money "totally not raided from Sweden" and shiploads of wool from the Dutch sheep, the Luxebourgians call for aid from England. The UK marches on France, giving Luxembourg time to focus on Germany and take Berlin in a blitz. Then they assist Britain, who has been locked in a stalemate, as the U.S sleepily opens it's eyes and says "whuzzat goin' on?"
But Luxembourg is not content with the mere conquest of two of the five great powers of Europe, and Spain and Italy fall beneath the new behemoth. The new territories are taxed mercilessly and any talk of rebellion put down just as callously. The smaller countries fall as well, until almost all of Europe is under Luxembourgian control. The U.S is still trying to figure out who this new guy is, Britain is gearing up for the inevitable backstab (Luxembourg doesn't want to risk that just yet however), and Russia is scrambling it's defenses into position, hoping to trap the Luxembourgian troops in General Winters embrace.
So Luxembourg heads to the southern end of the mediterranean, taking Syria, Egypt, all of north Africa in a storm! All the land north of the Sahara belongs to Luxembourg! They march to the east, encircling the mediterranian like a new Roman Empire! And indeed, they take the arabic peninsula, avoiding Israel for now to avoid drawing fire from the U.S. The U.S is still confused, being so large and also not that well educated.
Now, with their armies immense and well prepared for the coldest winter they have ever experienced, the Luxembourgian troops march on Moscow. They plan to stay as well, and bring many supplies. General winter, for the first time in Russian history, is defeated, and Moscow falls to the Luxembourgian national song:
"Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom.
Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom.
DOOOM DOOOM DOOOM DOOM DOOM
DOOM DOOM DOOM
DOOM DOOM!
DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM
DOOM DOOM DOOM
DOOM DOOM!"
The world fights, but the tide cannot be stopped. England falls, India falls, Japan falls, China falls, the United States of America falls. Luxembourg stands supreme. The Leader of Luxembourg leads the world! Not a single strip of land is not under the power of Luxembourg.
Then they realize; what now? All the world is ours, who then is left to conquer? They shrug and question and mumble until one man looks up at the sky, at the twinkling stars in the distance. He imagines worlds of alien species, of new frontiers and lands to explore. He thinks of all the greatness of an interstellar empire. He stands tall and says:
"Well we may as well put it back the way we got it." And they release all the captured countries and return to being a itty bitty little dinky thing, snug between the now utterly bamboozled New France and New Germany, making kissy faces at New Belgium and sharpening their knives, waiting for the cycle to repeat.
So are you really going to rent it or should I?
Post by: Darvi on September 26, 2012, 03:22:03 pm
And on that day you order by law that a giant fence be constructed to keep the neighbors out of your country, and the Great Wall of Luxembourg becomes the second largest construct on the planet. Finally, people begin to pay attention to Luxembourg, and boldened by their newfound success, the officials of the country declare war on Belgium.'bout bloody time. Arlon is ours dammit!
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 26, 2012, 03:24:23 pm
It's not easy to see, only one or four pixels in fact, but there's a definite gray spot in the center of Luxembourg where the goodyear is. I'm not sure about individual houses though.I still want to get a whip round going to see if I can rent the entire country of Luxembourg some day. Just for the sake of being able to say that we'd rented an entire country for a day.-snip-
I was more thinking that I'd like, sit in a lawn chair and shout at people to get out of my country. But your idea works too.
Post by: Siquo on September 26, 2012, 03:26:22 pm
On topic:
Mother: "Okay, what doesn't fit: bike, car, tram, elephant?"
Kid: "Don't know"
Mother: "Well, they all have wheels, except for the... oh wait, trams don't have wheels either!"
Me: *facepalm*
Post by: Darvi on September 26, 2012, 03:26:42 pm
Mother: "Okay, what doesn't fit: bike, car, tram, elephant?"Once the vandals are done, that's a totally valid observation.
Kid: "Don't know"
Mother: "Well, they all have wheels, except for the... oh wait, trams don't have wheels either!"
Me: *facepalm*
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 26, 2012, 03:28:50 pm
And btw, Belgium doesn't have cottages and windmills, that's the Netherlands. We got infrastructure, and true civilization. (Really, pretty much the entire Nothern half of the country are urban or suburban areas. Also, there are a lot of rail systems. Pretty much every single village has it's own train station.)
Also, this entire thing makes me think of some military exercice they did several years ago. Largest exercice at that time. Used the entirety of Belgium as a battle terrain.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 26, 2012, 07:12:39 pm
Except that we eventually figured out that that was wrong (after decades of protests) and changed it. The key idea there is willingness to accept forward progress, however reluctantly. Athens? Stayed the same for as long as it existed without so much as a whisper that things should be different. As a matter of fact, many Athenian houses were divided into sections; one for the women, which was only connected to the male part of the building. Incidentally, the idea of veiling women? That was (at least in part) Athenian.Except that the US defined "citizen" as "white male". it wasn't any less exclusiveI would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]Except Athens beat the US by about 2000 years.
Except that Athens defined "citizen" as "free property-owning male".
What I'm saying is that Athens (what people tend to think of when they think of "Greek" democracy in the ancient world) was very much a limited democracy, and it never changed. Heck, Aristotle's version of virtue ethics centered around what was morally right for a property-owning Athenian male.
That's probably enough for this derail, though.
My stupid thing for the day? Actually, somewhat coincidentally linked to what I just said. During a discussion of Aristotle's De Anima: 20 minutes of
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I think he's wrong because God tells us that our soul is special we will go to heaven when we die.
The professor and around half the class (who all attend the same church) then derail the class for ten minutes talking about how great it is that they're taking seminars bible study and religious apologetics. You know, I don't recall agreeing to pay to listen to people proudly proclaim their own blind faith in a class on philosophy and critical thinking. I try to be understanding and open-minded. I really do.
But sometimes having an open mind just makes it easier for the stupid to slip inside.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 26, 2012, 07:19:14 pm
Post by: Jervill on September 26, 2012, 07:27:55 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 26, 2012, 07:29:56 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 26, 2012, 07:30:26 pm
Post by: Sirus on September 26, 2012, 07:32:02 pm
Great place for the outdoors types, though.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 26, 2012, 07:34:13 pm
Luxembourg has one of the biggest teleports in the world.Damn, I knew the US public transit system was behind, but I didn't know we were Aperture Science behind.
Post by: Sirus on September 26, 2012, 07:40:13 pm
Nonono. Aperture Science uses portals. You're thinking of Black Mesa.Luxembourg has one of the biggest teleports in the world.Damn, I knew the US public transit system was behind, but I didn't know we were Aperture Science behind.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 26, 2012, 07:41:26 pm
Possibly Mann Co. I can never really keep up.Nonono. Aperture Science uses portals. You're thinking of Black Mesa.Luxembourg has one of the biggest teleports in the world.Damn, I knew the US public transit system was behind, but I didn't know we were Aperture Science behind.
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 26, 2012, 11:25:03 pm
The reason that would piss me off isn't that people discussing religion in Philosophy class (Hell, most religions basically are philosophies with the "You're a dick" replaced with "Omnipotent deity of choice will light you up like Bob Marley lights joints") but that they're trying to question why the guy 2000+ years Before Christ isn't a christian.
My stupid thing for the day? Actually, somewhat coincidentally linked to what I just said. During a discussion of Aristotle's De Anima: 20 minutes ofQuoteI think he's wrong because God tells us that our soul is special we will go to heaven when we die.
The professor and around half the class (who all attend the same church) then derail the class for ten minutes talking about how great it is that they're taking seminars bible study and religious apologetics. You know, I don't recall agreeing to pay to listen to people proudly proclaim their own blind faith in a class on philosophy and critical thinking. I try to be understanding and open-minded. I really do.
But sometimes having an open mind just makes it easier for the stupid to slip inside.
BRB worshipping the great prophet Frank who's revelations are astounding and he preformed many miracles. If you haven't heard of him it's because he won't be born until 3200 A.D. But don't let that stop you from following the words he hasn't spoken yet!
Post by: kaijyuu on September 26, 2012, 11:26:41 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 26, 2012, 11:38:50 pm
Or come to Louisville. It's relatively cheap and we're the most liberal part of the state!See, I left Louisville because I can get enough scholarship money here that I end up paying only around $3000 per semester. It's also just plain-out less expensive that most of the other good schools in the state. And massive population of fundies aside, it really is a good university.
That, and I just plain can't afford to go anywhere else without a full scholarship. 40k per semester? No scholarship money? HAHAHAH.
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 26, 2012, 11:47:28 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 26, 2012, 11:49:57 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 27, 2012, 12:14:23 am
Wait, you're the guy who's already from Louisville. I forgot for a momentOh, no. UoL wasn't even in my consideration. I'd rather have gone to JCC than there. :Pin my drunken haze. I wasn't aware UoL had a base rate of even $3000 a semester, especially in-state. I feel like they've got some way everyone can get down to at least half that.
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 27, 2012, 12:15:02 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 27, 2012, 12:21:08 am
Though that was honestly a lie. If I hadn't gone where I had, I'd probably be working full time to save up enough to cover enough that I wouldn't need to take too much in loans.
Basically I needed to work a balancing act between "where can I afford", "where has the best programs", and "where is it convenient for me to live". MSU happened to come out on top, not least because I had been involved in something that guaranteed me 2k per year for housing costs and they gave me another 6k per year just for applying early enough. UK offered me nothing at all, and Western hardly offered me anything.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 27, 2012, 01:34:02 am
Post by: Xantalos on September 27, 2012, 01:50:08 am
Post by: Siquo on September 27, 2012, 02:40:34 am
That was my first association, as well. I was disappointed it's a lot more mundane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_station#Telecommunications_port).Possibly Mann Co. I can never really keep up.Nonono. Aperture Science uses portals. You're thinking of Black Mesa.Luxembourg has one of the biggest teleports in the world.Damn, I knew the US public transit system was behind, but I didn't know we were Aperture Science behind.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 27, 2012, 02:55:18 am
That was my first association, as well. I was disappointed it's a lot more mundane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_station#Telecommunications_port).Possibly Mann Co. I can never really keep up.Nonono. Aperture Science uses portals. You're thinking of Black Mesa.Luxembourg has one of the biggest teleports in the world.Damn, I knew the US public transit system was behind, but I didn't know we were Aperture Science behind.
First reaction: Aww.
Second reaction: Ooooooh, shiny.
Post by: Oliolli on September 27, 2012, 03:05:28 am
I still want to get a whip round going to see if I can rent the entire country of Luxembourg some day. Just for the sake of being able to say that we'd rented an entire country for a day.And on that day you order by law that a giant fence be constructed to keep the neighbors out of your country, and the Great Wall of Luxembourg becomes the second largest construct on the planet. Finally, people begin to pay attention to Luxembourg, and boldened by their newfound success, the officials of the country declare war on Belgium.
As Luxembourg scrambles from the ashes of Belgium, their conquered cottages and windmills held high, coated in b the blood of innocents, they cry out a manly cry of victory, and their shirts fly off from sheer masculinity. They march on the netherlands next, and no-body cares because no-one really liked sheep anyway, and Luxembourg grows yet more powerful.
Their next target is Denmark, but Sweden and Norway intervene, sending troops to their flagging friend, but the morale of the Luxembourgians cannot be stopped any more than their countries name can be said in a reasonable timeframe. Denmark falls, and soon after the other nordic countries. Iceland surrenders, fearing conquest, and Luxembourg turns the eye of imperialism towards Germany.
But this marks the true beginning of WWIII, and France comes to the Germans aid. Assaulted on both sides and with their capital vulnerable in the tiny little space that used to be Luxembourg, they need allies. Using huge stacks of money "totally not raided from Sweden" and shiploads of wool from the Dutch sheep, the Luxebourgians call for aid from England. The UK marches on France, giving Luxembourg time to focus on Germany and take Berlin in a blitz. Then they assist Britain, who has been locked in a stalemate, as the U.S sleepily opens it's eyes and says "whuzzat goin' on?"
But Luxembourg is not content with the mere conquest of two of the five great powers of Europe, and Spain and Italy fall beneath the new behemoth. The new territories are taxed mercilessly and any talk of rebellion put down just as callously. The smaller countries fall as well, until almost all of Europe is under Luxembourgian control. The U.S is still trying to figure out who this new guy is, Britain is gearing up for the inevitable backstab (Luxembourg doesn't want to risk that just yet however), and Russia is scrambling it's defenses into position, hoping to trap the Luxembourgian troops in General Winters embrace.
So Luxembourg heads to the southern end of the mediterranean, taking Syria, Egypt, all of north Africa in a storm! All the land north of the Sahara belongs to Luxembourg! They march to the east, encircling the mediterranian like a new Roman Empire! And indeed, they take the arabic peninsula, avoiding Israel for now to avoid drawing fire from the U.S. The U.S is still confused, being so large and also not that well educated.
Now, with their armies immense and well prepared for the coldest winter they have ever experienced, the Luxembourgian troops march on Moscow. They plan to stay as well, and bring many supplies. General winter, for the first time in Russian history, is defeated, and Moscow falls to the Luxembourgian national song:
"Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom.
Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom.
DOOOM DOOOM DOOOM DOOM DOOM
DOOM DOOM DOOM
DOOM DOOM!
DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM
DOOM DOOM DOOM
DOOM DOOM!"
The world fights, but the tide cannot be stopped. England falls, India falls, Japan falls, China falls, the United States of America falls. Luxembourg stands supreme. The Leader of Luxembourg leads the world! Not a single strip of land is not under the power of Luxembourg.
Then they realize; what now? All the world is ours, who then is left to conquer? They shrug and question and mumble until one man looks up at the sky, at the twinkling stars in the distance. He imagines worlds of alien species, of new frontiers and lands to explore. He thinks of all the greatness of an interstellar empire. He stands tall and says:
"Well we may as well put it back the way we got it." And they release all the captured countries and return to being a itty bitty little dinky thing, snug between the now utterly bamboozled New France and New Germany, making kissy faces at New Belgium and sharpening their knives, waiting for the cycle to repeat.
So are you really going to rent it or should I?
Wait, how on Earth did they manage Madagaskar? I thought they had an impenetrable wall around the entire island ???
"Mr President! Luxembourg is conquering Europe!"
"SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING!"
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 27, 2012, 03:53:55 am
Post by: Kedly on September 27, 2012, 04:55:14 am
Post by: Descan on September 27, 2012, 08:14:00 am
You know, dicking around with socialism, yelling at Alberta and Ontario to shape up, poking the natives in the north with a stick, and just being...
Canada.
Post by: Zrk2 on September 27, 2012, 08:33:30 am
Post by: GoombaGeek on September 27, 2012, 09:28:22 am
Post by: Xantalos on September 27, 2012, 09:29:12 am
Post by: MonkeyHead on September 27, 2012, 10:38:15 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 27, 2012, 10:42:32 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 27, 2012, 11:35:59 am
Therefore Sealand rules the world through the UK?Therefore Denmark rules the world through Sealand?
Or is it Norway that does that?
Or Sweden?
Or Iceland?
Or Egypt?
I can't remember which.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 27, 2012, 11:39:34 am
It all ends with Belgium, because no one rules Belgium. Not even the governement.Therefore Sealand rules the world through the UK?Therefore Denmark rules the world through Sealand?
Or is it Norway that does that?
Or Sweden?
Or Iceland?
Or Egypt?
I can't remember which.
Post by: MonkeyHead on September 27, 2012, 11:45:40 am
Post by: Hanslanda on September 27, 2012, 11:46:23 am
Dont you mean Somalia?
Nah, Mongolia rules Somalia.
Post by: miauw62 on September 27, 2012, 11:51:42 am
It all ends with Belgium, because no one rules Belgium. Not even the governement.
Sig'd.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 27, 2012, 11:57:45 am
Post by: miauw62 on September 27, 2012, 12:02:17 pm
I didnt even touch the first part...
EDIT:
Apparantly putting [quote] right after [/quote] without a space messes them up badly.
Post by: Oliolli on September 27, 2012, 12:24:28 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 27, 2012, 12:25:15 pm
Post by: Darvi on September 27, 2012, 12:37:27 pm
Luxembourg is a province of Belgium.Oli's talking about the nation though.
And we still want that province back.
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 27, 2012, 01:36:44 pm
You and your fancy totebags and androgynous men. And hairy women.
Europe.
Post by: Zrk2 on September 27, 2012, 01:37:00 pm
REMOVE BELGIANS FROM PREMISES, GIVE BACK LUXEMBOURGIAN CLAY!
Post by: MaximumZero on September 27, 2012, 01:39:16 pm
loleurope.I want to go to Europe. I would probably lose weight. The food looks hideous and it comes in tiny, baby sized portions.
You and your fancy totebags and androgynous men. And hairy women.
Europe.
Post by: Hanslanda on September 27, 2012, 01:41:37 pm
loleurope.I want to go to Europe. I would probably lose weight. The food looks hideous and it comes in tiny, baby sized portions.
You and your fancy totebags and androgynous men. And hairy women.
Europe.
I went to London once. The only ugly women there were foreigners, and the food was fucking delicious and came in HUGE quantities. I could get fat there, and I'm stick thin.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 27, 2012, 01:41:52 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 27, 2012, 01:42:30 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on September 27, 2012, 01:43:50 pm
Besides, what are you going to do, mail me the women?
Post by: kaijyuu on September 27, 2012, 01:44:33 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on September 27, 2012, 01:52:23 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 27, 2012, 01:54:48 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 27, 2012, 01:56:27 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on September 27, 2012, 01:58:17 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 27, 2012, 01:58:30 pm
Post by: Descan on September 27, 2012, 02:04:57 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 27, 2012, 02:06:29 pm
Except I'm not gay or a woman... :'( Maybe I'll just get all the women 6/10 and under?BURTA WANT WILLSAUCE NAHW! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM! WILLSAUCE IS GOOD MEN TO BURTA AND WILL MAKE SNU SNU WITH BURTA SOON HUH HUH HUH HUH!
But it's GB and the accents there are sexy so all the women are above a 6? Even Burta.
Post by: lordcooper on September 27, 2012, 02:06:41 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 27, 2012, 02:10:21 pm
If you come to Toronto, YOU and ME and KAI are DOING STUFF.Awesome. Let's play Mario Kart. Pants optional.
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 27, 2012, 02:11:11 pm
Airports are only necessary when you can't bomb them into a fine paste.That's when Madagascar activates... ZEE SHEILDS!
Stay away from London. It contains Londoners :oyeh wot fam i set my mates on you innit wot you gonna do about it?!
SHUTUP FAM I BASH YOU UP
butters fob
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 27, 2012, 02:41:58 pm
we must have visited a different london, then. i hooked up with a polish and a czec girls, but the british were stuff of nightmares. there were some cute guys thoughloleurope.I want to go to Europe. I would probably lose weight. The food looks hideous and it comes in tiny, baby sized portions.
You and your fancy totebags and androgynous men. And hairy women.
Europe.
I went to London once. The only ugly women there were foreigners, and the food was fucking delicious and came in HUGE quantities. I could get fat there, and I'm stick thin.
you must have never heard of southern europeloleurope.I want to go to Europe. I would probably lose weight. The food looks hideous and it comes in tiny, baby sized portions.
You and your fancy totebags and androgynous men. And hairy women.
Europe.
Post by: Vorthon on September 27, 2012, 02:49:20 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 27, 2012, 02:51:04 pm
Post by: Vorthon on September 27, 2012, 02:54:40 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 27, 2012, 02:58:39 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 27, 2012, 03:01:01 pm
Welp. Somebody pulled a classic 'stupid thing to say' on the bus today. Went on a tangent whose topic was 'Aliens built the pyramids!!!!!!!1!!!1!oneoneone'Hey Bay12, I need your help. With the powers of Captain internet, I need irrefutable proof of the pyramid's mundane construction.
The tin foil hat argument:
*Some of these pyramids are biiiiiiiiiiig. Some so, that even laying one block per x would take so and so years. I forgot the numbers, but yeah, it follows as x = small time, so and so = rhetorically large number.
*Some of them were built in such a way that you wouldn't be able to fit a blade between the cracks.
My counters:
*Yo dawg, they weren't placed block by block.
*Some were made out of unmortared stone1.
*Precise blocks could be made by chiseling with naught but a chisel and a hammer. Making each block individual, yet fitting.
*They wouldn't have been hauled around with ropes, mammoths and hairy men. Or Jews. A single person with a simple place of leverage could after all, move the world.
*Otherwise they would've just rolled the stone in place with logs.
1*And a lot of ye oldie civilizations had access to stuff like mortaring. Zee Mayans did theirs with plaster and limestone. The cracks are small much in the same way as concrete ._.
Post by: Vorthon on September 27, 2012, 03:05:36 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 27, 2012, 03:08:41 pm
His arguments were a bit different. He claimed that the carvings were perfect and all sorts of shit like that.The ancient Egyptians knew what they were doing. Btw, what carvings?
Post by: Vorthon on September 27, 2012, 03:10:14 pm
Post by: RedKing on September 27, 2012, 03:12:34 pm
Dude...Prague. Everywhere I went I got potato dumplings the size of a fucking football. And bratwurst like a baby's arm. (take that how you will)loleurope.I want to go to Europe. I would probably lose weight. The food looks hideous and it comes in tiny, baby sized portions.
You and your fancy totebags and androgynous men. And hairy women.
Europe.
And fresh pints of glorious beer for like 80 cents each. (this was pre-Euro, and the exchange rate to the krona was favorable)
As to the pyramid thing:
1. Compression force. Yeah, you can't fit a blade between the cracks because there's several hundred thousand tons of rock pushing those bottom stones together.
2. If flawless carving = aliens, then what about all those intricate Maya petroglyphs? (yes, that's likely to just feed into his argument rather than recognizing that quality stonecarving skills can exist in the absence of modern technology).
Post by: MagmaMcFry on September 27, 2012, 03:13:18 pm
Also, he probably fails to understand that the Egyptians were better at chiseling than him.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 27, 2012, 03:14:49 pm
It's easy to make blocks fit perfectly if you smear the gap with charcoal, place the block inside, remove the block again, and chisel off every part of the block that got black. Ancient Greeks did that AFAIK.Ancient egyptians were good at a lot of stuff. I mean, they could remove the brain without damaging the skull. (Not visibly anyway.) And Invented bread, and candy, and I believe even once did a succesfull brain operation.
Also, he probably fails to understand that the Egyptians were better at chiseling than him.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on September 27, 2012, 03:15:53 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 27, 2012, 03:16:34 pm
It's easy to make blocks fit perfectly if you smear the gap with charcoal, place the block inside, remove the block again, and chisel off every part of the block that got black. Ancient Greeks did that AFAIK.
10th century B.C. then? That's goooooood. Though the main argument is the moving of the big rocks. Polyspastons are the trump cards I plan to pull out.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 27, 2012, 03:16:43 pm
Post by: Darvi on September 27, 2012, 03:17:44 pm
Yanno, removing the rotting innards.
Post by: RedKing on September 27, 2012, 03:20:46 pm
going to hell for that last comment
Post by: MagmaMcFry on September 27, 2012, 03:21:40 pm
Well seeing as how they believed the only purpose of the brain was to produce mucus, and thoughts took place in the heart, I doubt the brain surgery thing.So that's why they pull it out through the nose.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 27, 2012, 03:24:08 pm
Well seeing as how they believed the only purpose of the brain was to produce mucus, and thoughts took place in the heart, I doubt the brain surgery thing.I believe the tale went as follows.
Important person is attacked by dog, dog bites important person in the head, fracturing the skull. The egyptian surgeon removes the pieces of the skull that got stuck inside the brain.
Then the patient somehow survived.
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 27, 2012, 03:26:23 pm
Isn't that just regular ol' surgery though?Well seeing as how they believed the only purpose of the brain was to produce mucus, and thoughts took place in the heart, I doubt the brain surgery thing.I believe the tale went as follows.
Important person is attacked by dog, dog bites important person in the head, fracturing the skull. The egyptian surgeon removes the pieces of the skull that got stuck inside the brain.
Then the patient somehow survived.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 27, 2012, 03:27:10 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 27, 2012, 03:27:54 pm
Post by: RedKing on September 27, 2012, 03:28:30 pm
They sealed all your bodily orifices but one, poured you full to the brim with an embalming oil (which was also somewhat alkaline), and then sealed that last orifice and set you aside for a few days. After the oil and decomposition worked together to turn your insides into an organ smoothie, they'd open up one of the orifices and let it pour out. Kind of like a really, REALLY severe enema. :-[
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 27, 2012, 03:30:30 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 27, 2012, 03:32:05 pm
I'd hardly call that an achievement. That's like accidentally dropping a safe unto a robber, then claiming yourself to be a hero.Well, it was the first step. Go all the way to Alexandria and you get stuff like the Hippocratic oath and the great library.
Then the dark ages happened.
:(
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 27, 2012, 03:34:10 pm
Which, actually, were'nt as Dark as many people think them to be. Quite a few interesting things were build and destroyed in those periods.I'd hardly call that an achievement. That's like accidentally dropping a safe unto a robber, then claiming yourself to be a hero.Well, it was the first step. Go all the way to Alexandria and you get stuff like the Hippocratic oath and the great library.
Then the dark ages happened.
:(
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 27, 2012, 03:35:10 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 27, 2012, 03:38:02 pm
But that wasn't Egypt advancing on their own. Alexandria was settled by Alexander the Great with his party of Macedonians/Greeks, who brought along Greek culture and philosophy. Also the Dark Ages happened far before the settlement of Alexandria (the Greek ones at least).The Egyptians did make quite a lot of advancements. Several have been referred to before.
The most important one is that stacking a giant heap off stone on your grave equals to placing a "Rob me sign"
Post by: Jerick on September 27, 2012, 03:38:38 pm
My understanding was they drilled small holes in people's skulls to relieve pressure resulting from swelling in the brain.Well seeing as how they believed the only purpose of the brain was to produce mucus, and thoughts took place in the heart, I doubt the brain surgery thing.I believe the tale went as follows.
Important person is attacked by dog, dog bites important person in the head, fracturing the skull. The egyptian surgeon removes the pieces of the skull that got stuck inside the brain.
Then the patient somehow survived.
This actualy works and does help the pateint but modern methods of dealing with such things are way better and aren't done with a spoon drill.
From a society that did believe the brain just made mucus that's a big step.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 27, 2012, 03:49:27 pm
Yep. Trepanning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning) was and still is a thing, mostly because it works. It's still used regularly today for a few modern surgeries.My understanding was they drilled small holes in people's skulls to relieve pressure resulting from swelling in the brain.Well seeing as how they believed the only purpose of the brain was to produce mucus, and thoughts took place in the heart, I doubt the brain surgery thing.I believe the tale went as follows.
Important person is attacked by dog, dog bites important person in the head, fracturing the skull. The egyptian surgeon removes the pieces of the skull that got stuck inside the brain.
Then the patient somehow survived.
This actualy works and does help the pateint but modern methods of dealing with such things are way better and aren't done with a spoon drill.
From a society that did believe the brain just made mucus that's a big step.
Post by: Pnx on September 27, 2012, 03:55:07 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 27, 2012, 03:56:07 pm
Which, actually, were'nt as Dark as many people think them to be. Quite a few interesting things were build and destroyed in those periods.Dark as in so little was recorded of it :)
Post by: Flying Dice on September 27, 2012, 04:08:29 pm
Which, actually, were'nt as Dark as many people think them to be. Quite a few interesting things were build and destroyed in those periods.Dark as in so little was recorded of it :)
Post by: kaijyuu on September 27, 2012, 04:09:24 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 27, 2012, 04:10:14 pm
Post by: SealyStar on September 27, 2012, 04:12:58 pm
Does bathing in the blood of virgins count?
No, but feeding them to dragons still counts.
I mean, if you're looking for Satanist street cred or whatever.
Post by: Pnx on September 27, 2012, 04:14:52 pm
Depends which dark ages you're talking about. In the early middle ages people bathed, it was only around the late middle ages until about the beginning of the colonial period that people didn't bathe... During the renaissance when the term "dark ages" was coined, people still didn't bathe, and wouldn't for quite some time.Which, actually, were'nt as Dark as many people think them to be. Quite a few interesting things were build and destroyed in those periods.Dark as in so little was recorded of it :)Also because nobody in Europe bathed except the damned heretics.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 27, 2012, 04:19:55 pm
Hence the strike-through.Depends which dark ages you're talking about. In the early middle ages people bathed, it was only around the late middle ages until about the beginning of the colonial period that people didn't bathe... During the renaissance when the term "dark ages" was coined, people still didn't bathe, and wouldn't for quite some time.Which, actually, were'nt as Dark as many people think them to be. Quite a few interesting things were build and destroyed in those periods.Dark as in so little was recorded of it :)Also because nobody in Europe bathed except the damned heretics.
Post by: scriver on September 27, 2012, 04:44:35 pm
Post by: da_nang on September 27, 2012, 05:15:53 pm
Wrongely so, I dare say! In the Northern Europe, bathing never went out of fashion. Not even when they tried outlawing it. Well, the common folks, that is. Nobles were naaaaasty.And as semi-proto-dorfs, we all knew what to do with the nobles.
Post by: ab00 on September 27, 2012, 05:31:52 pm
On the day that the space shuttle flew over my school, some of the teachers let the students go outside and watch. I then overheard these two guys talking to one another.
Quote
Bro. When youse fucking alls da bitches, you tell them that you saws the space shuttle. Then you sez that theys can take a ride on your 'space shuttle'
Post by: kaijyuu on September 27, 2012, 05:32:47 pm
Post by: bukitodinos on September 27, 2012, 05:36:53 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Descan on September 27, 2012, 05:41:38 pm
hate you.
ok well the stupidest thing i have heard is..
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 27, 2012, 05:43:25 pm
I CLICKED AGAINhate you.
ok well the stupidest thing i have heard is..
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on September 27, 2012, 05:44:23 pm
Post by: Pnx on September 27, 2012, 05:47:42 pm
You want this yellow.
Post by: Skyrunner on September 27, 2012, 05:48:27 pm
But then again, I clicked it just for its own sake.
You should screen-capture a spoiler and paste it! xD
Post by: Valid_Dark on September 27, 2012, 10:28:20 pm
also, this..
Spoiler: he really said this (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: he really said this (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tellemurius on September 27, 2012, 10:29:12 pm
Default color scheme is the way to go,not sure if trolling...
also, this..
Spoiler: he really said this (click to show/hide)
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 27, 2012, 10:31:13 pm
Default color scheme is the way to go,
also, this..Spoiler: he really said this (click to show/hide)
fixed that for you
Post by: bukitodinos on September 28, 2012, 06:33:57 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Darvi on September 28, 2012, 06:35:17 am
Post by: bukitodinos on September 28, 2012, 06:40:00 am
on topic: "*random fact* I WIN THE DEBATE!!"
Post by: Darvi on September 28, 2012, 06:42:26 am
Post by: bukitodinos on September 28, 2012, 06:43:39 am
Post by: Darvi on September 28, 2012, 06:50:02 am
Post by: Sheb on September 28, 2012, 08:29:43 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 28, 2012, 10:03:53 am
Post by: Siquo on September 28, 2012, 10:05:04 am
So there was only one Egyptian? Must have been one busy son of a gun.His name was Pathos.
Post by: RedKing on September 28, 2012, 10:36:47 am
User: "I don't see any clock."
Me: "Bottom right corner. If your taskbar is on the bottom of the screen."
User: "I still don't see it. You mean the time? I have that thing that tells me what time it is."
Me: "........." *HEADDESK* (and so wanting to deadpan, "Which, by most people with a functioning brain stem, is called a clock.")
Post by: Kamin on September 28, 2012, 10:43:45 am
Me: "Should be down in the bottom right corner of the screen, near the clock."Times like these make me feel that use of a phonegun--a gun that works over the phone--could turn into a real thing. I'm gonna invent one. The market for such a thing must be enormous.
User: "I don't see any clock."
Me: "Bottom right corner. If your taskbar is on the bottom of the screen."
User: "I still don't see it. You mean the time? I have that thing that tells me what time it is."
Me: "........." *HEADDESK* (and so wanting to deadpan, "Which, by most people with a functioning brain stem, is called a clock.")
Post by: miauw62 on September 28, 2012, 10:44:33 am
But they'll secretly smuggle it in anyway.
Post by: Kamin on September 28, 2012, 10:46:26 am
I dont think it would be apreciated by the company Red works for that he shoots his customers.Hmm, you're right. I'm gonna need to figure out how to make a phonegun silencer.
But they'll secretly smuggle it in anyway.
Post by: Oliolli on September 28, 2012, 11:12:15 am
Post by: MaximumZero on September 28, 2012, 11:12:56 am
I dont think it would be apreciated by the company Red works for that he shoots his customers.Honestly, they'd probably expect it. He's a gubmint worker, isn't he?
But they'll secretly smuggle it in anyway.
Post by: Descan on September 28, 2012, 11:14:01 am
'S called a mute button.
Post by: The Fool on September 28, 2012, 11:22:30 am
/me checks the boxes in front of them and finds it at the top of the stack.
Me: "Yes. It's right there."
I swear, some customers are either very stupid, or very helpless. Then again I suppose this is standard in retail.
Post by: Zrk2 on September 28, 2012, 11:24:45 am
The ninth involves old people and IT.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 28, 2012, 11:26:32 am
Welcome to the 8th circle of hell; internal retail work.Old people and IT are fine. Problems begin when there are people who think they know how to work with computers, or people who think you're an expert on computers.
The ninth involves old people and IT.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 28, 2012, 11:27:33 am
Them: "Do you have a size 11 in this shoe?"Mostly helpless. The stupid ones would yell at you for giving them an 11 even though that's what they asked for.
/me checks the boxes in front of them and finds it at the top of the stack.
Me: "Yes. It's right there."
I swear, some customers are either very stupid, or very helpless. Then again I suppose this is standard in retail.
Post by: Akura on September 28, 2012, 11:31:36 am
Let's see. I'm standing by the door, I ask if you need help finding anything in a fake-polite tone, I'm wearing a nametag with the store name on it. Yes I fucking work here, now how can I help you?
Post by: Hanslanda on September 28, 2012, 11:32:24 am
Them: "Do you have a size 11 in this shoe?"
/me checks the boxes in front of them and finds it at the top of the stack.
Me: "Yes. It's right there."
I swear, some customers are either very stupid, or very helpless. Then again I suppose this is standard in retail.
Welcome to my world. :)
*At work, standing next to a huge display of grapes*
Them: Excuse me, where are the grapes?
Me: ...
Them: Oh. Thanks.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 28, 2012, 11:34:08 am
Me: "Hey, where is X?"
/me looks sideways to avoid eye contact because I'm shy like that.
/me sees what I'm looking for.
Me: "Oops, sorry."
Post by: Mephansteras on September 28, 2012, 12:11:21 pm
Them: "Do you have a size 11 in this shoe?"
/me checks the boxes in front of them and finds it at the top of the stack.
Me: "Yes. It's right there."
I swear, some customers are either very stupid, or very helpless. Then again I suppose this is standard in retail.
Eh, that's not too bad. Sometimes you just can't see something right in front of you. Happens to me all the time. It's really annoying, but I can't really do anything about it.
No, the people I hated in retail were the people who would ask me about stuff and then assume that I had no idea what I was talking about. If you weren't going to believe whatever I said anyway, why did you ask?
Post by: RedKing on September 28, 2012, 12:14:42 pm
Yes, and I'm thinking the phonegun would actually fall under our jurisdiction as a firearm. Using one to take out an ATF employee would be some serious meta irony.I dont think it would be apreciated by the company Red works for that he shoots his customers.Honestly, they'd probably expect it. He's a gubmint worker, isn't he?
But they'll secretly smuggle it in anyway.
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 28, 2012, 01:05:22 pm
Let's see. I'm standing by the door, I ask if you need help finding anything in a fake-polite tone, I'm wearing a nametag with the store name on it. Yes I fucking work here, now how can I help you?Tbh they're not at fault. It's not that hard to get a name tag, ask someone if they need help politely whilst standing by the door. Thieves and scammers exist, and some of their plans range from the sublime to the ACME.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 28, 2012, 01:17:03 pm
Post by: Descan on September 28, 2012, 01:21:53 pm
Unless they're either a ninja-costume wearing fox who chases small Spanish girls, or are incapable of lying with words but can with actions and appearance.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 28, 2012, 01:26:43 pm
Post by: SealyStar on September 28, 2012, 02:14:32 pm
Figuring out mathematical models for something.
After measuring everything in meters and centimeters, some kid decides to convert back into feet and inches.
After he had everything measured in metric already.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 28, 2012, 02:19:12 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 28, 2012, 02:26:11 pm
Post by: RedKing on September 28, 2012, 02:29:09 pm
Why 5280? Well, apparently the old Roman mile was roughly 5000 feet, but the primary Romano-British agricultural measure was the furlong, defined as how far a horse could pull a plough before resting. Somehow that got standardized at 660 feet. They wanted to use the mile for long-distance linear measurement, but they wanted it to be interchangeable with the furlong. So it was extended to 5,280 feet to match eight furlongs.
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Post by: MrWillsauce on September 28, 2012, 02:29:21 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 28, 2012, 02:30:06 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 28, 2012, 02:32:23 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 28, 2012, 03:13:13 pm
"The Imperial system? More clumsy and random than metric. A less elegant tool, for a less civilized age."
Post by: RedKing on September 28, 2012, 03:38:38 pm
Post by: Sirus on September 28, 2012, 03:53:05 pm
Now we know why Stormtroopers have such bad aim. Their blasters weren't calibrated for Imperial. :P/me groans
Post by: Mephansteras on September 28, 2012, 03:55:23 pm
Now we know why Stormtroopers have such bad aim. Their blasters weren't calibrated for Imperial. :P/me groans
Still funnier than Jar-Jar.
Post by: Tellemurius on September 28, 2012, 03:59:11 pm
"Yo mama was so fat, she thought Jar-Jar meant pickles-pickles!"Now we know why Stormtroopers have such bad aim. Their blasters weren't calibrated for Imperial. :P/me groans
Still funnier than Jar-Jar.
Post by: Itnetlolor on September 28, 2012, 04:10:18 pm
And for more stupidity; catching up on some tech news, I came across this mass of stupidity: EMI seriously thinks they don't have enough money, do they? (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120927/00430020528/emi-legitimately-afraid-that-aliens-might-listen-to-beatles-without-license.shtml). Then again, I can also see another reason why aliens would want to nuke us from orbit; or the real reason the Anti-Spiral would want to kill us from alternate dimensions and timelines.
Seemingly dumb response on my end here, but I can't wait until money is virtually worthless. The concept behind it needs it's reset button hit big time.
Post by: Valid_Dark on September 28, 2012, 06:46:27 pm
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I'm a girl, in a lesbian relationship,
I cut off my penis, so I'm a girl now,
and even though my girlfriend has a penis, I still love her.
then I tried to point out that he was really still a guy, and his girlfriend was also male, making it a gay relationship between to adult men, not a lesbian relationship between two women.
which led to him screaming about there being a difference between sex and gender, and blah blah blah.
Post by: Remalle on September 28, 2012, 06:50:21 pm
Post by: Descan on September 28, 2012, 07:00:46 pm
paraphrased:QuoteI'm a girl, in a lesbian relationship,
I cut off my penis, so I'm a girl now,
and even though my girlfriend has a penis, I still love her.
then I tried to point out that he was really still a guy, and his girlfriend was also male, making it a gay relationship between to adult men, not a lesbian relationship between two women.
which led to him screaming about there being a difference between sex and gender, and blah blah blah.
I AM that mean, though. This is just offensive, AND stupid.
Post by: Valid_Dark on September 28, 2012, 07:05:05 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 28, 2012, 07:06:43 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 28, 2012, 07:11:24 pm
Sexuality is always weird with trans individuals, as some go by their physical sex and some go by their gender. Truean calls herself gay occasionally, despite being attracted to men and being a MtF transsexual.
It's to the point where I always ask if the topic comes up. And of course, I always go by what they call themselves.
EDIT: Re: potential offensiveness.
It could be considered offensive because you said they were men, when they identified as women. That's a huge no-no for transsexuals.
Post by: Graknorke on September 28, 2012, 07:15:02 pm
That has the aura of being fake all around it. In particular, if one were to cut their penis off, there's a rather large chance that they would either bled to death, or die of an infection. And I don't think there's any medical facility that would facilitate served no practical purpose.
And that the person would pay for that operation, despite believing in a difference between gender and sex. That's some high-grade contradiction right there. "What you are does not change who you are, but I will pay unreasonable amounts of money/put my life at risk in order to make a slight physical change to myself." It just... sounds fake.
Post by: Descan on September 28, 2012, 07:16:00 pm
"You're not actually a girl, you know. Just because you look like a girl, sound like a girl, have the mind of a girl, and are pretty much a girl by nearly any definition except genetic, because you were born with a penis, you're a guy no matter what you say."
How is that not offensive? You're telling somebody what they are, when they are the only people who can know for sure. Least until we can read minds, at least. Gah!
E: Grak, I don't think anyone took "cut off their penis" at face value. It's a crude a way to refer to transition surgery. Which people do, because they don't want their penis any more. And because there is a marked improvement in trans peoples lives and outlook from the surgery, if they opt for it.
Post by: Valid_Dark on September 28, 2012, 07:17:57 pm
sorry if that's offensive, thats just what I believe.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 28, 2012, 07:19:05 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 28, 2012, 07:19:32 pm
And that the person would pay for that operation, despite believing in a difference between gender and sex. That's some high-grade contradiction right there. "What you are does not change who you are, but I will pay unreasonable amounts of money/put my life at risk in order to make a slight physical change to myself." It just... sounds fake.The gender/sex distinction has to do with physical attributes vs mental ones. "Sex" is determined by the equipment between your legs, which for a transsexual person obviously doesn't correlate to their "gender," which is the mental half.
That's how I understand it anyway. They're "really" their gender, while the sex portion could be mixed up.
in my book, if you have a penis, that makes you male.Well you can believe whatever the fuck you want, but that doesn't make it the truth.
sorry if that's offensive, thats just what I believe.
Post by: Graknorke on September 28, 2012, 07:21:58 pm
Except, you know, anyone trans? At all?I was referring specifically to the thing about the person mentioning apparently self-mutilation.
"You're not actually a girl, you know. Just because you look like a girl, sound like a girl, have the mind of a girl, and are pretty much a girl by nearly any definition except genetic, because you were born with a penis, you're a guy no matter what you say."
How is that not offensive? You're telling somebody what they are, when they are the only people who can know for sure. Least until we can read minds, at least. Gah!
Not the other stuff.
Edit: I have read your edit, I suppose it would make more sense for it to be non-literal.
Another case of me being overly literal.
Post by: Descan on September 28, 2012, 07:22:58 pm
E: read my edit, Grak.
Post by: kaenneth on September 28, 2012, 07:42:51 pm
What does it matter if it's a gay, lesbian, or straight relationship, if you aren't one of the participants?
Post by: Vorthon on September 28, 2012, 07:48:45 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 28, 2012, 08:01:37 pm
As a Transhumanist, gender/sex are kind of fluid concepts to me. Hell, My ideal body wouldn't have a gender so much as be a large valkyrie-type spacecraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Valkyrie) with Von Neumann probe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_Probe) capabilities. Puttering around the galaxy at sublight speeds and making copies of myself from asteroids FTW.That sounds like pretty much the best existence.
Well, it's be interesting at least. Constant mental stimulation and learning and stuff, but then I'd be missing out on the enormous brain-drugs party. Spaceships don not have any endorphins in them. This would make me sad.
Post by: Xantalos on September 28, 2012, 08:03:20 pm
Meh. Flesh parties inevitably lead to my avatar. Personally I'm thinking of becoming immaterial if humans have the tech in the future.As a Transhumanist, gender/sex are kind of fluid concepts to me. Hell, My ideal body wouldn't have a gender so much as be a large valkyrie-type spacecraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Valkyrie) with Von Neumann probe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_Probe) capabilities. Puttering around the galaxy at sublight speeds and making copies of myself from asteroids FTW.That sounds like pretty much the best existence.
Well, it's be interesting at least. Constant mental stimulation and learning and stuff, but then I'd be missing out on the enormous brain-drugs party. Spaceships don not have any endorphins in them. This would make me sad.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 28, 2012, 08:04:33 pm
One of my teachers misspelled the word "wristwatch" as "raist watch". I have no idea...
Post by: GoombaGeek on September 28, 2012, 08:38:56 pm
But then it's really hard to debate anything even closely related to this on the Internet.
Post by: Graknorke on September 28, 2012, 08:46:35 pm
I thought the definition of female was having two X chromosomes.From pretty much the official source on the English language (http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/female):
But then it's really hard to debate anything even closely related to this on the Internet.
Quote
Definition of female
adjective
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes
Post by: kaijyuu on September 28, 2012, 08:58:39 pm
Why label the relationship based on the sexes of the couple at all?Honestly? I dunno :P I see no reason for "gay" and "lesbian" to be two separate terms, barring being slightly more specific (in a mostly irrelevant way). That one's always kinda bugged me.
What does it matter if it's a gay, lesbian, or straight relationship, if you aren't one of the participants?
I do see a reason to distinguish between gay and straight relationships, but not in any context we're talking about here. Whether or not babies can be made is a potentially important question, just not in most situations.
I thought the definition of female was having two X chromosomes.This is why some people distinguish "sex" and "gender." What pair of chromosomes they have, what sex hormone is coursing through their veins, and what equipment they have between their legs is irrelevant in most situations, but not all. So if you want to know what body type they have, ask their sex. Otherwise, ask their gender.
But then it's really hard to debate anything even closely related to this on the Internet.
I don't care, personally, and will always go by what they identify as no matter what. Being bi, even if I was in a relationship with one and got "surprised," I wouldn't care. It's simply not relevant to me, and since it's often a Big Thing for them, the least I can do is call them what they want to be called.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 28, 2012, 09:00:30 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 28, 2012, 09:04:55 pm
I'm mostly gay anyway. Girls are nice, and I can potentially see myself in a relationship with one, but it seems unlikely.
Then again, if I come across the right tomboy... :D
Post by: Wrex on September 28, 2012, 09:05:09 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 28, 2012, 09:05:52 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on September 28, 2012, 09:05:54 pm
But the LGBT one encompasses all!Aha.
I'm mostly gay anyway. Girls are nice, and I can potentially see myself in a relationship with one, but it seems unlikely.
Then again, if I come across the right tomboy... :D
Post by: Xantalos on September 28, 2012, 09:12:31 pm
I see no Canine-related flags. I am diSsapoint.Ftfy
Post by: Criptfeind on September 28, 2012, 09:17:09 pm
But the LGBT one encompasses all!
What about straight?
Post by: Wrex on September 28, 2012, 09:17:49 pm
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I see no Canine-related flags. I am diSsapoint.Ftfy
I'm pretty sure I don't have a lisp, and am most certainly missing the refrence.
Post by: Xantalos on September 28, 2012, 09:19:16 pm
I see no Canine-related flags. I am diSsapoint.Ftfy
I'm pretty sure I don't have a lisp, and am most certainly missing the refrence.
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Unintentional reference for the win, then. I was just emphasizing the correction.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 28, 2012, 09:21:20 pm
Who cares about those sub humans? :PBut the LGBT one encompasses all!
What about straight?
Post by: MaximumZero on September 28, 2012, 09:22:00 pm
FTFY. :PUnintentional reference for the win, then. I was just emphasizing the correction.I see no Canine-related flags. I am diSsapoint.Ftfy
I'm pretty sure I don't have a lisp, and am most certainly missing the refrence.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 28, 2012, 09:24:19 pm
Who cares about those sub humans? :PBut the LGBT one encompasses all!
What about straight?
It's not my fault :'(
Post by: MaximumZero on September 28, 2012, 09:26:35 pm
Yeah, it's not like it's a choice. It's genetic, man. :PWho cares about those sub humans? :PBut the LGBT one encompasses all!
What about straight?
It's not my fault :'(
Post by: Flying Dice on September 28, 2012, 09:52:26 pm
Yeah, it's not like it's a choice. It's genetic, man. :PWho cares about those sub humans? :PBut the LGBT one encompasses all!
What about straight?
It's not my fault :'(
That's a load of crap. Everyone knows you choose to be heterosexual. If you're brought up by a straight couple, then of course you'll automatically end up being straight.
:P / ::)
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 28, 2012, 09:54:04 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on September 28, 2012, 11:46:32 pm
But... I was brought up by hets, and I turned out pan! At no point in my life did I say, "Huh. It turns out that I want to hump everyone." It just kind of happened.Yeah, it's not like it's a choice. It's genetic, man. :PWho cares about those sub humans? :PBut the LGBT one encompasses all!
What about straight?
It's not my fault :'(
That's a load of crap. Everyone knows you choose to be heterosexual. If you're brought up by a straight couple, then of course you'll automatically end up being straight.
:P / ::)
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 28, 2012, 11:48:42 pm
Quote from: sister
I do to know where Russia is! It's right above Europe!
...
I mean beside it!
I mean in it!
Aaaand it's gone. She had it, she lost it, she somehow knew what "dogmatic" meant despite not knowing how to find France on a map. I don't understand her sometimes.
Post by: Sirus on September 29, 2012, 12:20:09 am
/me facepalmsQuote from: sisterI do to know where Russia is! It's right above Europe!
...
I mean beside it!
I mean in it!
Aaaand it's gone. She had it, she lost it, she somehow knew what "dogmatic" meant despite not knowing how to find France on a map. I don't understand her sometimes.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 12:59:27 am
Ah, beautiful reminders of every class I've ever taken that somehow involved maps. 'Murrka is a wonderful place for mocking people./me facepalmsQuote from: sisterI do to know where Russia is! It's right above Europe!
...
I mean beside it!
I mean in it!
Aaaand it's gone. She had it, she lost it, she somehow knew what "dogmatic" meant despite not knowing how to find France on a map. I don't understand her sometimes.
Post by: Hanslanda on September 29, 2012, 01:02:34 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 01:07:37 am
*Talking about Pol Pot*
"Okay, now who can show us where Cambodia is on the map?"
Herp Derp: *Points to Eastern Europe*
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Xantalos on September 29, 2012, 01:16:14 am
Post by: MantisMan on September 29, 2012, 01:57:18 am
Post by: Oliolli on September 29, 2012, 02:00:38 am
And then the knowledge present in the US... :'(
Who cares about those sub humans? :PBut the LGBT one encompasses all!
What about straight?
It's not my fault :'(
Don't worry, you just haven't found the right one yet.
Or maybe it's just 'cause you'd never have a chance with anyone of your own sex.
Quote from: sisterI do to know where Russia is! It's right above Europe!
...
I mean beside it!
I mean in it!
Aaaand it's gone. She had it, she lost it, she somehow knew what "dogmatic" meant despite not knowing how to find France on a map. I don't understand her sometimes.
How old is she?
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 02:14:10 am
God hatesGerd dam straights brainwashin' mah kidsfagsstraights
Post by: kaijyuu on September 29, 2012, 02:23:46 am
It's unnatural!
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 02:24:34 am
Wait a minute...
Post by: TheBronzePickle on September 29, 2012, 02:38:57 am
I think I might be straight.
Please don't hate me...
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 29, 2012, 02:42:22 am
Post by: kaijyuu on September 29, 2012, 02:46:44 am
Guys, uh... this is kinda awkward, but...*gasp*
I think I might be straight.
Please don't hate me...
You're lying! Say it isn't so!
Post by: Corai on September 29, 2012, 02:49:08 am
Guys, uh... this is kinda awkward, but...*gasp*
I think I might be straight.
Please don't hate me...
You're lying! Say it isn't so!
Corai frowns, dissapointed in Bronze's normalcy.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on September 29, 2012, 02:51:15 am
Guys, uh... this is kinda awkward, but...*gasp*
I think I might be straight.
Please don't hate me...
You're lying! Say it isn't so!
Corai frowns, dissapointed in Bronze's normalcy.
B-but... I mean, we can still be friends, right?... right?...
Post by: Xantalos on September 29, 2012, 02:54:51 am
We can all be friends...on the 100th page! And watch as its still page 99 due to derp.Guys, uh... this is kinda awkward, but...*gasp*
I think I might be straight.
Please don't hate me...
You're lying! Say it isn't so!
Corai frowns, dissapointed in Bronze's normalcy.
B-but... I mean, we can still be friends, right?... right?...
Post by: Wrex on September 29, 2012, 02:59:54 am
We can all be friends...on the 100th page! And watch as its still page 99 due to derp.Guys, uh... this is kinda awkward, but...*gasp*
I think I might be straight.
Please don't hate me...
You're lying! Say it isn't so!
Corai frowns, dissapointed in Bronze's normalcy.
B-but... I mean, we can still be friends, right?... right?...
Derp.
Post by: Sirus on September 29, 2012, 03:08:32 am
Guys, uh... this is kinda awkward, but.../me offers a hetero bro-fist
I think I might be straight.
Please don't hate me...
Straight folks are people, too! We were born this way!
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 03:09:53 am
/me offers a hetero bro-fistIt's just a phase....
Straight folks are people, too! We were born this way!
Post by: Oliolli on September 29, 2012, 06:39:07 am
Don't worry, you'll grow out of it./me offers a hetero bro-fistIt's just a phase....
Straight folks are people, too! We were born this way!
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 29, 2012, 06:42:10 am
Post by: Kedly on September 29, 2012, 06:43:40 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 06:57:12 am
A few years ago I'd have punched you in the face for suggesting I'd be willing to be with a dude. Years later, I've been in more relationships with men than with women :PYeah, but that was just because being hetero back then was the "hip" new "cool" thing dood.
Post by: Skyrunner on September 29, 2012, 06:59:46 am
Eep! D:
*hides*
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 29, 2012, 07:02:30 am
Post by: Oliolli on September 29, 2012, 07:03:35 am
Yay, 100th page! We can be friends again!
Post by: miauw62 on September 29, 2012, 07:04:28 am
It's because non-straights like feeling intellectually superior to other people.Cue "its only X pages on 50 posts per page!"
Yay, 100th page! We can be friends again!
Stupid of a few days ago:
Everybody is watching a movie on TV, when suddenly the subtitles dissapear. No problem, i can understand english.
A few minutes later my brother says: "Cant you turn the subtitles back on?"
Post by: Kedly on September 29, 2012, 07:04:42 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 07:04:51 am
30.It's because non-straights like feeling intellectually superior to other people.Cue "its only X pages on 50 posts per page!"
Yay, 100th page! We can be friends again!
Post by: Kedly on September 29, 2012, 07:06:06 am
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 29, 2012, 07:07:22 am
It's because non-straights like feeling intellectually superior to other people.I'm not intellectually superior, I'm evolutionarily inferior :P
Yay, 100th page! We can be friends again!
*Does not understand the woof part of Darlking Wolf's last postWolf :P
Post by: Kedly on September 29, 2012, 07:10:21 am
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2012, 09:49:13 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 29, 2012, 10:08:25 am
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I'm not intellectually superior, I'm evolutionarily inferiorSince having sex with the same gender does not allow you to pass on your genes what-so-ever, I have no idea how it's an evolutionary advantage. I guess you mean you have some sort of natural ability to have more fun, but honestly I doubt that's true.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 29, 2012, 10:10:16 am
It's been postulated that homosexuality is essentially an evolutionary austerity measure. Once the population reaches a certain point, growth has to slow to prevent over-consumption of resources, which would have eventually wiped out a small monkey tribe or forced them to migrate into potentially hostile lands.QuoteI'm not intellectually superior, I'm evolutionarily inferiorSince having sex with the same gender does not allow you to pass on your genes what-so-ever, I have no idea how it's an evolutionary advantage. I guess you mean you have some sort of natural ability to have more fun, but honestly I doubt that's true.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 29, 2012, 10:13:54 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 10:16:54 am
You know how being poisonous for a frog has absolutely no benefit whatsoever for the singular frog, yet makes all predators wary of the entire species? It's a quasi-acceptable analogy, but the same genes present in humans that account for sexuality diverse and "norm" are all also passed down. It's beneficial for the entire species. Loads of theories as to how, most revolving around an increased capacity to care for hetero/bi peoples of the same sex (Achilles!).QuoteI'm not intellectually superior, I'm evolutionarily inferiorSince having sex with the same gender does not allow you to pass on your genes what-so-ever, I have no idea how it's an evolutionary advantage.
Otherwise within a single generation, there'd be 0 gay, bi, trans or what ever in between or beyond on Earth. Just the hetero humans making babies.
And clearly, that's not true.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 29, 2012, 10:18:49 am
Post by: scriver on September 29, 2012, 10:41:38 am
Stupid of a few days ago:
Everybody is watching a movie on TV, when suddenly the subtitles dissapear. No problem, i can understand english.
A few minutes later my brother says: "Cant you turn the subtitles back on?"
...And that is stupid why?
It's been postulated that homosexuality is essentially an evolutionary austerity measure. Once the population reaches a certain point, growth has to slow to prevent over-consumption of resources, which would have eventually wiped out a small monkey tribe or forced them to migrate into potentially hostile lands.QuoteI'm not intellectually superior, I'm evolutionarily inferiorSince having sex with the same gender does not allow you to pass on your genes what-so-ever, I have no idea how it's an evolutionary advantage. I guess you mean you have some sort of natural ability to have more fun, but honestly I doubt that's true.
Seems very far fetched to me. Much more reasonable to apply Occham's Razor and realise that 1, Nothing stops gay men from having sex with women, and 2, The concept of "pure" homosexuality is a recent cultural idea, meaning that they would have been under very high pressure to do so.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 29, 2012, 10:43:12 am
I see, that's very interesting. But with modern birth control methods, a straight person can easily avoid having children. Also I'm pretty sure that the gene that influences male homosexuality also induces a man who has its female relatives to have a higher sex drive. This means that although you will be helping avoid overpopulation, you sisters will undo your good work.Evolutionary time scales are never going to be able to keep up with human adaption, hence no obvious reaction to birth control. Besides, not everyone has sisters.
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 10:45:38 am
Loud Whispers read my previous post.Hmmmm...?
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 29, 2012, 10:47:57 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 10:51:09 am
Since having sex with the same gender does not allow you to pass on your genes what-so-ever, I have no idea how it's an evolutionary advantage.Hence why my post was addressing this ^_^
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 29, 2012, 10:53:47 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 01:25:59 pm
I see, that's very interesting. But with modern birth control methods, a straight person can easily avoid having children. Also I'm pretty sure that the gene that influences male homosexuality also induces a man who has its female relatives to have a higher sex drive. This means that although you will be helping avoid overpopulation, you sisters will undo your good work.
And yet we have millions of unwanted pregnancies. People are stupid; birth control that requires you to think will only work for people who probably don't need to rely on it to begin with.
In any case, homosexual behavior has been observed in virtually every species of animal on Earth, with roughly the same % of incidence. This suggest something deeper than a birth control mechanism. As for myself, I've pretty much rationalized my own sexuality as being compatible with my wider worldview: I'm not attracted to men and women, I'm attracted to people. For that matter, if we ever encountered another sentient race that was up for it, I might very well be attracted to them as well. The only place where I draw the line for myself is with consent/ability to understand consent.
Post by: Yoink on September 29, 2012, 01:34:55 pm
Back on topic, guys. Please, take any heated discussion to that discussion thread. :(
Post by: miauw62 on September 29, 2012, 01:35:06 pm
Stupid of a few days ago:
Everybody is watching a movie on TV, when suddenly the subtitles dissapear. No problem, i can understand english.
A few minutes later my brother says: "Cant you turn the subtitles back on?"
...And that is stupid why?
It was a movie, on the TV, being broadcasted by one of the channels we have for our TV.
(For you americans: Non-dutch movies are almost always subbed in Belgium, we barely have any dubbing)
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 01:40:27 pm
Subs > dubs. :PStupid of a few days ago:
Everybody is watching a movie on TV, when suddenly the subtitles dissapear. No problem, i can understand english.
A few minutes later my brother says: "Cant you turn the subtitles back on?"
...And that is stupid why?
It was a movie, on the TV, being broadcasted by one of the channels we have for our TV.
(For you americans: Non-dutch movies are almost always subbed in Belgium, we barely have any dubbing)
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 01:40:52 pm
EVERY SINGLE ON-TOPIC POST SPAWNS A FLAME-Y DERAIL.Flaming hot derail? :D
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 01:41:21 pm
Does it involve shining fingers?EVERY SINGLE ON-TOPIC POST SPAWNS A FLAME-Y DERAIL.Flaming hot derail? :D
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 29, 2012, 02:35:50 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 02:47:05 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 29, 2012, 02:54:35 pm
Humans are group animals, having a tendency to produce gay-... humans can be an evolutionary advantage, since these humans will aid to the tribe, but will not increase tensions by vying for mates and stuff. It's but one explanation.
I know a scientifically sound explanation for certain bugs, but you don't want to hear about that one.
Post by: Yoink on September 29, 2012, 02:57:14 pm
I know we're not arguing at all. I just viewed this as more of a light-hearted thread, personally. But ah well, carry on then!
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 03:35:26 pm
Post by: bukitodinos on September 29, 2012, 03:46:03 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 04:01:46 pm
YOU'RE CONFUSING ME!!!Shh, it's natural to start noticing new things at this age...
Post by: kaijyuu on September 29, 2012, 04:20:17 pm
It's a very good thing I wasn't taking a sip of my drink when I read this :DYOU'RE CONFUSING ME!!!Shh, it's natural to start noticing new things at this age...
Anywho yeah, the sexuality thing was all in good fun. Everyone should be... proud? Happy? about their sexuality if it's something important to them, including heterosexuals and asexuals.
The only way I'm disappointed with any of you hets is some of you I'll never have a chance with :P
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2012, 04:37:15 pm
Post by: Wrex on September 29, 2012, 04:42:14 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 29, 2012, 04:46:21 pm
I said inferior :PQuoteI'm not intellectually superior, I'm evolutionarily inferiorSince having sex with the same gender does not allow you to pass on your genes what-so-ever, I have no idea how it's an evolutionary advantage. I guess you mean you have some sort of natural ability to have more fun, but honestly I doubt that's true.
As in, the polar opposite of superior.
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2012, 04:48:22 pm
Now... Where did I leave my silver bullets...?
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 29, 2012, 04:49:02 pm
I said inferior :PQuoteI'm not intellectually superior, I'm evolutionarily inferiorSince having sex with the same gender does not allow you to pass on your genes what-so-ever, I have no idea how it's an evolutionary advantage. I guess you mean you have some sort of natural ability to have more fun, but honestly I doubt that's true.
As in, the polar opposite of superior.
Herr derr I can't read.
Post by: Wrex on September 29, 2012, 04:50:52 pm
You aren't part of the brigade, nor are you privy to the agenda. Frankly, you've seen too much. I have to kill you now.
Now... Where did I leave my silver bullets...?
Hah! Anthropomorphic wolves are not weak to silver! Unlike me
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2012, 05:00:48 pm
But... You were the one I was gonna shoot?You aren't part of the brigade, nor are you privy to the agenda. Frankly, you've seen too much. I have to kill you now.
Now... Where did I leave my silver bullets...?
Hah! Anthropomorphic wolves are not weak to silver! Unlike me
I'm not seeing the issue here...
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 29, 2012, 05:03:17 pm
Post by: Wrex on September 29, 2012, 05:09:44 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 29, 2012, 05:10:43 pm
Post by: Corai on September 29, 2012, 05:11:44 pm
This gun' be a good tearjerker moment...
Post by: bukitodinos on September 29, 2012, 05:12:09 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 05:12:24 pm
/me dives in front of WrexWeaknesses do not really matter when the opposing force in question is a moving bullet.
Post by: Xantalos on September 29, 2012, 05:12:41 pm
Post by: Wrex on September 29, 2012, 05:14:08 pm
*bites Darkling so that he can be alive. Sorta. It's what he would have wanted, anyways.*
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 05:18:17 pm
*bites Darkling so that he can be alive. Sorta. It's what he would have wanted, anyways.*Dude, do you know just how dirty a human bite is? Freaking death sentence that puts Komodos to shame.
Post by: da_nang on September 29, 2012, 05:58:58 pm
Don't worry, I've got Cure Disease potions and Healing Hands. That said...*bites Darkling so that he can be alive. Sorta. It's what he would have wanted, anyways.*Dude, do you know just how dirty a human bite is? Freaking death sentence that puts Komodos to shame.
/me opens console
/me selects Darkling
/me types resurrect
*enter*
/me types setessential 1
*enter*
/me exits console
*hiss*
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 06:19:46 pm
god
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 06:30:53 pm
Don't worry, I've got Cure Disease potions and Healing Hands. That said...ERROR 404: DARKLING NOT FOUND
/me opens console
/me selects Darkling
/me types resurrect
*enter*
/me types setessential 1
*enter*
/me exits console
*hiss*
Post by: da_nang on September 29, 2012, 06:41:11 pm
/me types PlaceAtMe Darkling 1Don't worry, I've got Cure Disease potions and Healing Hands. That said...ERROR 404: DARKLING NOT FOUND
/me opens console
/me selects Darkling
/me types resurrect
*enter*
/me types setessential 1
*enter*
/me exits console
*hiss*
Post by: kaijyuu on September 29, 2012, 06:42:14 pm
Post by: Corai on September 29, 2012, 06:43:02 pm
I have no idea what's going on in this thread anymore.
I don't think they know what's going on either.
Post by: da_nang on September 29, 2012, 06:54:21 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 07:25:15 pm
Medical ‼SCIENCE‼ at its finest. Now with the latest technology that has revolutionized medicine forever: The Console.EROR 404: SCIENCE NOT FOUND. BUT WE GAVE YOU A BOX OF CHOCOLATES ANYWAYS.
JUST KIDDING.
THERE ARE NO CHOCOLATES.
Post by: Wrex on September 29, 2012, 07:29:13 pm
I have no idea what's going on in this thread anymore.
-Descan loads gun with silver bullets to shoot darkling
-Darkling is not a werewolf
-Descan decides to shoot me instead
-Darkling dives in front of bullet.
-I infect Darkling with lycanthropy to give him a chance to live.
-Xanatlos uses Eldrich magic to help revive him
-Da_Nang uses the console to ressurect Darkling.
-Everyone stands around wondering what just happened.
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2012, 07:30:55 pm
http://i.imgur.com/1Ei8t.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/1Ei8t.jpg)
I'll just give everyone a minute to try and understand it.
Post by: Wrex on September 29, 2012, 07:32:43 pm
You know what, I don't even want to know.
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 07:34:12 pm
May I have the floor for this beautiful DeviantArt (?) comments cutting, courtesy of a sig on the MSPA forums.Harumph. I don't even understand homestuck, how am I supposed to understand this?
http://i.imgur.com/1Ei8t.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/1Ei8t.jpg)
I'll just give everyone a minute to try and understand it.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 07:34:41 pm
May I have the floor for this beautiful DeviantArt (?) comments cutting, courtesy of a sig on the MSPA forums.What.
http://i.imgur.com/1Ei8t.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/1Ei8t.jpg)
I'll just give everyone a minute to try and understand it.
Post by: Vorthon on September 29, 2012, 07:40:15 pm
May I have the floor for this beautiful DeviantArt (?) comments cutting, courtesy of a sig on the MSPA forums.
http://i.imgur.com/1Ei8t.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/1Ei8t.jpg)
I'll just give everyone a minute to try and understand it.
OHGOD. Otherkin. Troll otherkin.
/me loads his otherkin-hunting shotgun. With rock salt.
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2012, 07:54:38 pm
And also apparently a 14 year old mother.May I have the floor for this beautiful DeviantArt (?) comments cutting, courtesy of a sig on the MSPA forums.
http://i.imgur.com/1Ei8t.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/1Ei8t.jpg)
I'll just give everyone a minute to try and understand it.
OHGOD. Otherkin. Troll otherkin.
/me loads his otherkin-hunting shotgun. With rock salt.
You'll need a bigger shotgun.
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2012, 07:57:16 pm
Also, how is that not a, pardon me, troll? "Don't oppress me!" It's obvious!
... Please... Be obvious... ._.
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2012, 08:05:59 pm
By the way. I was never going to shoot darkling. He just posted before me. Wrex was the target all along.It's still stupid.
Also, how is that not a, pardon me, troll? "Don't oppress me!" It's obvious!
... Please... Be obvious... ._.
And I'm not sure that all of it was fake, like the thing about being pregnant at 14, because it seems to be a reference to a previous post on something. And also, people can be that stupid.
Never underestimate human stupidity.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 29, 2012, 08:12:34 pm
It's not like they're harming anyone. So why get worked up?
/me shrugs.
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2012, 08:16:43 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on September 29, 2012, 08:30:02 pm
So why are otherkin, transethnics and the like weird? Because they're just trying to be special snowflakes- they're not really identifying as the things they claim to be identifying as, because those are not mental Things like gender is. They are attention whores.
Post by: Vorthon on September 29, 2012, 08:31:29 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on September 29, 2012, 08:33:30 pm
And the otherkin who 'identify' as things from fiction are the worst of them all.
Nah, they're the third worst. Second worst are "transethnics"- anyone who's going to carry on engaging in pretentious nationalism and that sort of thing should go die of gangrene in a trench.
The very worst, of course, are "transabled" people- can we mandate reassignment surgery for them already?
Post by: Vorthon on September 29, 2012, 08:35:12 pm
Wait, those are the ones who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
Post by: OREOSOME on September 29, 2012, 08:36:31 pm
Oh god I'd forgotten about transabled people.
Wait, those are the one who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
Quote
Take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
WTF?
NOTE: I never actually curse in real life, just telling you to put how much i am confused by this in scale.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 29, 2012, 08:37:53 pm
Post by: Kamin on September 29, 2012, 08:43:57 pm
...Oh god I'd forgotten about transabled people.
Wait, those are the one who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?QuoteTake a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
WTF?
....
.....
Post by: Sirus on September 29, 2012, 08:46:41 pm
Oh god I'd forgotten about transabled people.I think I've heard of those folks once before, but I'm still not sure they're the worst.
Wait, those are the ones who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
The worst in my mind are probably bugchasers and gift-givers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing)
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 08:49:49 pm
And thus we see the advantage that is given to those who want to watch the world burn. It's so easy to knock a house of cards over...Oh god I'd forgotten about transabled people.I think I've heard of those folks once before, but I'm still not sure they're the worst.
Wait, those are the ones who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
The worst in my mind are probably bugchasers and gift-givers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing)
Post by: Kamin on September 29, 2012, 08:51:41 pm
I have learned things today that I wish I hadn't. I am, for once in my life, absolutely disgusted. Appalling in the truest sense of the word.Oh god I'd forgotten about transabled people.I think I've heard of those folks once before, but I'm still not sure they're the worst.
Wait, those are the ones who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
The worst in my mind are probably bugchasers and gift-givers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing)
Post by: Wrex on September 29, 2012, 08:54:31 pm
I have learned things today that I wish I hadn't. I am, for once in my life, absolutely disgusted. Appalling in the truest sense of the word.Oh god I'd forgotten about transabled people.I think I've heard of those folks once before, but I'm still not sure they're the worst.
Wait, those are the ones who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
The worst in my mind are probably bugchasers and gift-givers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing)
I have seen many things. This is one of the worst.
Post by: Vorthon on September 29, 2012, 08:57:03 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 29, 2012, 08:57:23 pm
It's the "killing herself with chemicals" thing.I certainly doesn't sound like people are concerned about her well being.
So why are otherkin, transethnics and the like weird? Because they're just trying to be special snowflakes- they're not really identifying as the things they claim to be identifying as, because those are not mental Things like gender is. They are attention whores.First off, weird is not bad. "Weird" and "normal" are neutral descriptive terms (vague ones at that) and have no value attached to them. I totally accept them as weird... but that alone is never a bad thing.
Secondly, you're arguing every single one of these people are being manipulative, and don't believe the words they're saying. I find that hard to swallow.
I "identify" with a lot of things. Things I can point to and say, "hey, that represents a part of my personality and who I am." The difference between me and them is I consider those things to "represent" me, while they consider those things to be what they "really are." There's no functional difference between these two; the argument is pretty much one of semantics and definitions.
There are some furries here. I have some questions for you:
- Do you have a fursona?
- If so, do you consider it a more accurate representation of "who you are" than your physical body?
- And if so, and if we developed some damn good and affordable plastic surgery, would you transition? (let's pretend any social stigmas vanished for this too)
And as a side note, for trans individuals, I've never really bought the "their brain is different!" argument as the sole reason they should be considered the gender they identify with. It could certainly be part of it, but not the only reason. To me, it has much more to do with personality, and who they want to be, and what they want to be seen as, than anything else. IE, identity.
Post by: Skyrunner on September 29, 2012, 08:58:55 pm
gah, triple ninja. I'm talking about bug-chasers.
Post by: Xantalos on September 29, 2012, 08:59:53 pm
Huh. Totally impractical AND immoral by human morality. The problem is that it has nothing to do with freeing eldritch creatures or anything productive. 'Tis just...stupid.I have learned things today that I wish I hadn't. I am, for once in my life, absolutely disgusted. Appalling in the truest sense of the word.Oh god I'd forgotten about transabled people.I think I've heard of those folks once before, but I'm still not sure they're the worst.
Wait, those are the ones who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
The worst in my mind are probably bugchasers and gift-givers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing)
I have seen many things. This is one of the worst.
Post by: Wrex on September 29, 2012, 09:00:33 pm
Huh. Totally impractical AND immoral by human morality. The problem is that it has nothing to do with freeing eldritch creatures or anything productive. 'Tis just...stupid.I have learned things today that I wish I hadn't. I am, for once in my life, absolutely disgusted. Appalling in the truest sense of the word.Oh god I'd forgotten about transabled people.I think I've heard of those folks once before, but I'm still not sure they're the worst.
Wait, those are the ones who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
The worst in my mind are probably bugchasers and gift-givers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing)
I have seen many things. This is one of the worst.
Wouldn't the slow, agonizing death help?
Post by: Vorthon on September 29, 2012, 09:03:18 pm
Post by: scriver on September 29, 2012, 09:12:45 pm
Why would they do that?
gah, triple ninja. I'm talking about bug-chasers.
Third sentence in the Wikipedia article. "It is a form of self-harm".
Post by: Xantalos on September 29, 2012, 09:15:10 pm
Help me be free? No. The bad mojo they generate goes to them, not me.Huh. Totally impractical AND immoral by human morality. The problem is that it has nothing to do with freeing eldritch creatures or anything productive. 'Tis just...stupid.I have learned things today that I wish I hadn't. I am, for once in my life, absolutely disgusted. Appalling in the truest sense of the word.Oh god I'd forgotten about transabled people.I think I've heard of those folks once before, but I'm still not sure they're the worst.
Wait, those are the ones who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
The worst in my mind are probably bugchasers and gift-givers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing)
I have seen many things. This is one of the worst.
Wouldn't the slow, agonizing death help?
Post by: Sirus on September 29, 2012, 09:16:39 pm
Read further on, and the article mentions that some people see it as a sort of extreme sports or some super-risky fetish.Why would they do that?
gah, triple ninja. I'm talking about bug-chasers.
Third sentence in the Wikipedia article. "It is a form of self-harm".
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 29, 2012, 09:20:54 pm
So is having sex with a chainsaw. There's a reason why anyone who tries that wins a Darwin award.Read further on, and the article mentions that some people see it as a sort of extreme sports or some super-risky fetish.Why would they do that?
gah, triple ninja. I'm talking about bug-chasers.
Third sentence in the Wikipedia article. "It is a form of self-harm".
Post by: lordcooper on September 29, 2012, 09:32:18 pm
Read further on, and the article mentions that some people see it as a sort of extreme sports or some super-risky fetish.Why would they do that?
gah, triple ninja. I'm talking about bug-chasers.
Third sentence in the Wikipedia article. "It is a form of self-harm".
I can kinda understand that viewpoint, not that I share it.
Anyway, what's so bad about someone intentionally getting ill? It's likely to end up with one less person fucking up the planet and nobody gets hurt without consenting to it. Spreading diseases to others who are unaware would be a really nasty thing to do, but I don't see any reason people shouldn't be allowed to contract non-contagious diseases (or diseases where the spread can be so easily controlled) if they really really want to. It's bloody weird, but probably actually a good thing when looking at the bigger picture.
Post by: Sirus on September 29, 2012, 09:36:21 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2012, 09:45:18 pm
Re: the whole otherkin thing?
"I'm a Wood Elf inside, don't oppress me!"
I won't pretend to speak for every case, but that one clearly looks like Special Snowflake syndrome.
Post by: lordcooper on September 29, 2012, 10:06:53 pm
As for otherkin, I don't get it at all. Truth be told, I can't wrap my head around transgender folk either. I'm absolutely fine with both though. There are a lot of people who are very different to me, and that's pretty awesome IMO.
Live and let live, or die. Whatever. So long as it's all above board and consensual, I see no reason to judge.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 29, 2012, 10:17:22 pm
@Kaijyuu: There's a difference. My 'sona (Or 'sonas. I'm kind of obsessed with keeping genres seperate.) is/are idealized versions of myself, yes. But that does not mean I think I was born as an anthropomorphic critter trapped in a human body. There's a difference between me and otherkin.That's a valid distinction, but I have to ask: What functional difference does it make? Is there a tangible difference in your different attitudes, or is it just effectively a difference in rhetoric?
Really my entire argument is asking "why does it matter?" Now, if you're concerned about them harming themselves, then sure; that's a valid reason to bring up concern. It is not, however, a valid reason for mockery. As far as I can tell people are just going "it's weird lol" and then using these people as a punching bag. Even the manipulative ones that are lying for attention don't deserve that much ire.
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on September 29, 2012, 11:48:49 pm
To be a troll read comments on youtube, news sites and join 4chan they will scholl you in the ways of being a derp and looking good, well as good as you can be with argyia.
the world is full with many fucked up and culturally damaged people, this is normal.
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 12:45:38 am
I did specify contracting, rather than spreading. I like to think that people have a right to do whatever they like with/to their own body, so long as it doesn't prevent others from doing the same. Besides, we live in a world where resources are becoming increasingly scarce. Having a few less people burning up said resources isn't a bad thing, especially when they're the cause of their own death. It's like smoking tobacco in my eyes. Very stupid, but who the fuck am I (or you) to say that something that doesn't harm a third party is immoral?
As for otherkin, I don't get it at all. Truth be told, I can't wrap my head around transgender folk either. I'm absolutely fine with both though. There are a lot of people who are very different to me, and that's pretty awesome IMO.
Live and let live, or die. Whatever. So long as it's all above board and consensual, I see no reason to judge.
And que Hans jumping in with, "But what about drugs?" :P They hurt only me and no one else, yet I'm being punished for them. Obviously, some publically elect lawmakers have decided not hurting others just isn't enough. What kind of lines should be set?
Philosophy!
Post by: MaximumZero on September 30, 2012, 12:46:24 am
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 12:47:48 am
BTW, we're playing post tag.
You're it.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 30, 2012, 12:56:13 am
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 12:59:29 am
Post by: MaximumZero on September 30, 2012, 01:02:04 am
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 01:04:05 am
Post by: MaximumZero on September 30, 2012, 01:05:11 am
Post by: ed boy on September 30, 2012, 02:01:29 am
I did specify contracting, rather than spreading. I like to think that people have a right to do whatever they like with/to their own body, so long as it doesn't prevent others from doing the same.Is any influence on other people unacceptable? It's possible for there to be a situation with a nonzero probability where it would influence other people negatively, so if you take a zero tolerance policy you can't condone that. If you don't take a zero tolerance policy, where do you draw the line?
Post by: lemon10 on September 30, 2012, 03:21:16 am
I did specify contracting, rather than spreading. I like to think that people have a right to do whatever they like with/to their own body, so long as it doesn't prevent others from doing the same. Besides, we live in a world where resources are becoming increasingly scarce. Having a few less people burning up said resources isn't a bad thing, especially when they're the cause of their own death. It's like smoking tobacco in my eyes. Very stupid, but who the fuck am I (or you) to say that something that doesn't harm a third party is immoral?I what they want to do effects only them I am cool with it.
As for otherkin, I don't get it at all. Truth be told, I can't wrap my head around transgender folk either. I'm absolutely fine with both though. There are a lot of people who are very different to me, and that's pretty awesome IMO.
Live and let live, or die. Whatever. So long as it's all above board and consensual, I see no reason to judge.
If they want to smoke/get HIV on purpose I am not, because it costs the government a lot of money and screws everyone else up assuming they live anywhere where their is any degree of socialized medicine or governmental care for the elderly (eg. America, most of Europe and the other first world nations).
Actually apparently smoking saves society money by killing off people faster even though they spend a lot of money combating the effect of it.
I suppose that means that smoking is totally fine then (excluding the fact that it smells terrible and is annoying).
Post by: ab00 on September 30, 2012, 10:44:22 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 30, 2012, 10:57:55 am
Post by: Akura on September 30, 2012, 11:30:36 am
Yeah. Speaking as someone who grew up in a household with a heavy smoker, secondhand smoke can really mess with your life.The same. Especially when your mom ridicules you for having trouble breathing because she thinks that a window open one inch is enough to let all the smoke and ashes out with plenty of fresh air besides.
Post by: bukitodinos on September 30, 2012, 12:40:48 pm
i have a child hood memory where i threw my moms smokes out.
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 12:42:45 pm
Well... Smoking isn't such a great example of this, because secondhand smoke does cause serious damage to those around a smoker. Now, the smoker may be killing himself off faster, but not being harmful to other people was a criterium in this discussion.
Honestly, and someone will probably ridicule me for this, but I believe secondhand smoke kills faster than just smoking. I feel like I'm going to get cancer before all my smoker friends, and I've had maybe two whole cigarettes in my whole life.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 30, 2012, 12:44:56 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on September 30, 2012, 12:45:46 pm
Well... Smoking isn't such a great example of this, because secondhand smoke does cause serious damage to those around a smoker. Now, the smoker may be killing himself off faster, but not being harmful to other people was a criterium in this discussion.
Honestly, and someone will probably ridicule me for this, but I believe secondhand smoke kills faster than just smoking. I feel like I'm going to get cancer before all my smoker friends, and I've had maybe two whole cigarettes in my whole life.
I think there was a study to that effect; it had something to do with second hand smoke not having been filtered like it is for the actual smoker.
Post by: Korbac on September 30, 2012, 12:46:33 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 12:47:34 pm
Well it can kill faster, but it's statistically unlikely. Second hand smoke has a lower concentration of all the bad stuff.
You underestimate how little my friends care about me being in vast clouds of their secondhand smoke. :P And I seem to attract smoke very well. In a vast crowd of smokers, I will be the only person wreathed in smoke. It'd be a lot cooler if I could conjure fire though...
Post by: kaijyuu on September 30, 2012, 12:48:22 pm
Post by: lordcooper on September 30, 2012, 12:49:16 pm
As for drugs, I take quite a few different varieties on an occasional basis. Tobacco is the only one I regret at present.
If the room isn't ventilated, you're breathing everything hanging in the air, while the smoker is just breathing through his filter. It's possible.
Well, no. Smokers need to breathe too.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 30, 2012, 12:54:24 pm
It is possible for someone to only smoke outside and/or only when not in the presence of non-smokers you know.
Something being possible doesn't mean that something actually happens all that often.
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 12:55:29 pm
Hah, smoke powers aren't all that bad either :)
I mean it, though. I attract smoke. Like, there will be an open air current flowing out the window and the friend will be downwind from me, and I will still end up breathing smoke somehow.
It is possible for someone to only smoke outside and/or only when not in the presence of non-smokers you know.
Something being possible doesn't mean that something actually happens all that often.
It is entirely possible that I will phase through the walls of my house. It doesn't happen much.
Post by: lordcooper on September 30, 2012, 01:00:23 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 01:01:25 pm
Well I stick to those rules anyway. Poisoning people is bad, mkay.
That's because you are considerate. :)
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 30, 2012, 01:16:27 pm
There have been propositions to cut these things out of health insurance. Ie, chain smoker gets lung cancer. His problem, governement ain't paying for anything.I did specify contracting, rather than spreading. I like to think that people have a right to do whatever they like with/to their own body, so long as it doesn't prevent others from doing the same. Besides, we live in a world where resources are becoming increasingly scarce. Having a few less people burning up said resources isn't a bad thing, especially when they're the cause of their own death. It's like smoking tobacco in my eyes. Very stupid, but who the fuck am I (or you) to say that something that doesn't harm a third party is immoral?I what they want to do effects only them I am cool with it.
As for otherkin, I don't get it at all. Truth be told, I can't wrap my head around transgender folk either. I'm absolutely fine with both though. There are a lot of people who are very different to me, and that's pretty awesome IMO.
Live and let live, or die. Whatever. So long as it's all above board and consensual, I see no reason to judge.
If they want to smoke/get HIV on purpose I am not, because it costs the government a lot of money and screws everyone else up assuming they live anywhere where their is any degree of socialized medicine or governmental care for the elderly (eg. America, most of Europe and the other first world nations).
Actually apparently smoking saves society money by killing off people faster even though they spend a lot of money combating the effect of it.
I suppose that means that smoking is totally fine then (excluding the fact that it smells terrible and is annoying).
Problem is that it would hurt the poor parts of the population worse than the richer parts,...
Post by: Oliolli on September 30, 2012, 01:45:32 pm
As for it hurting the poor people more... if they're so poor, how can they afford to smoke?
Post by: scriver on September 30, 2012, 01:53:07 pm
I support the idea of cutting those from any social health insurance: smoking, obesity, alcohol poisoning etc.
As for it hurting the poor people more... if they're so poor, how can they afford to smoke?
Can't tell if serious or trolling.
Post by: Wrex on September 30, 2012, 01:53:31 pm
I support the idea of cutting those from any social health insurance: smoking, obesity, alcohol poisoning etc.
As for it hurting the poor people more... if they're so poor, how can they afford to smoke?
Can't tell if serious or trolling.
Same.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 30, 2012, 02:06:45 pm
They are poor, because they smoke. Due to the fact that stuff is adicting, it screws up human priorities.
Also, if you cut obesity, you cut away 30% of America's population. Besides, overweight issues are often caused because fast food is the cheapest.
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 30, 2012, 02:18:38 pm
Can't tell if serious or trolling.It's Oliolli. He's cave trolling.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 30, 2012, 03:06:38 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 30, 2012, 03:46:55 pm
Yeah, obesity and related problems tends to be a problem for poorer people because fast food is both available and cheap. A lot of cities have whole neighborhoods with essentially zero grocery stores. You can't really eat healthful food when you're buying from gas stations and McDonalds.I don't really think it'd be that common for a McDonalds to open somewhere where the population was small enough that there were no shops. That would be a business decision only slightly above that of not opening a shop that sells food in a place that apparently needs some sort of grocer's shop.
And also:
healthfulis that a legitimate thing?
Post by: kaijyuu on September 30, 2012, 04:27:35 pm
Post by: SealyStar on September 30, 2012, 04:32:44 pm
I think the proper term is "healthy".
If you want to be pedantic, "healthy" refers to an individual being in good health, while "healthful" refers to something contributing to someone's health.
Generally, "healthy" is used for both now, but "healthful" is still a legitimate word.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 30, 2012, 04:34:29 pm
Post by: Descan on September 30, 2012, 04:38:24 pm
Weirdo, using your computer standing up. :U
Post by: kaijyuu on September 30, 2012, 04:46:23 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 30, 2012, 04:56:09 pm
Weirdo, using your computer standing up. :USlacker. You're only allowed to use the computer whilst running on a giant hamster wheel.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 30, 2012, 04:57:14 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on September 30, 2012, 04:59:13 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 30, 2012, 04:59:42 pm
Post by: Wrex on September 30, 2012, 05:05:11 pm
/me gives fuzzy huggles that are totally not an excuse to get within disemboweling range
Post by: Graknorke on September 30, 2012, 05:05:37 pm
Arma would be pretty much impossible with the jerky hand movements. Or any flight sim.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 30, 2012, 07:16:09 pm
The ones I talked to were doing it for World of Warcraft, and they set their treadmills to walk, not run. WoW requires some precision mouse movement occasionally (though not as much as a FPS or RTS, obviously), and plenty of hotkey smashing, so jogging while playing it is probably not gonna happen. Plus, unless they're already really in shape, jogging for literally hours probably isn't feasible :)I wouldn't want to play... any game running.
Arma would be pretty much impossible with the jerky hand movements. Or any flight sim.
They're probably the Farmville people- addicted enough to the menial repetition for quick gratification that they could translate it over to the treadmill, and if it works, more power to 'em.
Post by: lordcooper on September 30, 2012, 07:57:15 pm
Some people actually do hook up their computers to a treadmill so that they only use the internet/play games/etc while exercising.
That's actually a really great idea. Might give it a go with the laptop some time.
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 09:27:16 pm
This is why I love Bay12. :D
/me gives fuzzy huggles that are totally not an excuse to get within disemboweling range
/me hugs Wrex back, which is totally not an excuse to sink my fangs into his delicious carotid
Post by: kaijyuu on September 30, 2012, 09:28:52 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 30, 2012, 09:29:15 pm
Post by: Sirus on September 30, 2012, 09:30:01 pm
He sure sucks like one.*insert various reactions here*
Post by: kaijyuu on September 30, 2012, 09:30:18 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 30, 2012, 09:30:36 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 30, 2012, 09:31:11 pm
Post by: Corai on September 30, 2012, 09:31:56 pm
This is why I love Bay12. :D
/me gives fuzzy huggles that are totally not an excuse to get within disemboweling range
/me hugs Wrex back, which is totally not an excuse to sink my fangs into his delicious carotid
/me hugs both, which is totally not a way to sneak illicit materials into Hanslanda's pockets.
Post by: MrWillsauce on September 30, 2012, 09:33:02 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 11:24:41 pm
I think you mean out of Hanslanda's pockets
Hehe. Mr Willsauce wins.
Wait, Hans is a vampire?
Maybe. Not a Twilight vampire. Like a Fright Night vampire. Scary. Monstrous. Kills you. Doesn't angst.
Post by: Wrex on September 30, 2012, 11:26:35 pm
I think you mean out of Hanslanda's pockets
Hehe. Mr Willsauce wins.Wait, Hans is a vampire?
Maybe. Not a Twilight vampire. Like a Fright Night vampire. Scary. Monstrous. Kills you. Doesn't angst.
What have I told you about brining up that heresy?
Post by: Descan on September 30, 2012, 11:30:04 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 11:30:23 pm
Twas entertaining.
Post by: Wrex on September 30, 2012, 11:31:22 pm
Wrexxy-poo, what would happen if a vampy-vamp bit you in your widdle fuzzy neck~?
Probably nothing except his swift demise, as I would probably have three times as much muscle mass.
Post by: Descan on September 30, 2012, 11:33:15 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 11:34:22 pm
Wrexxy-poo, what would happen if a vampy-vamp bit you in your widdle fuzzy neck~?
Probably nothing except his swift demise, as I would probably have three times as much muscle mass.
But I'm fast. Like, really damned fast. :P
Post by: Wrex on September 30, 2012, 11:36:41 pm
Well, I mean, if vampy-venom got in your fuzz-stream?
Probably nothing. These things ARE incompatible, you know.
Also, this is assuming his non-silvered teeth will actually penetrate the skin.
Post by: Descan on September 30, 2012, 11:37:56 pm
I guess I'll have to get out the paint...
Now... hmm... Glitter-paint or pink?
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 11:40:34 pm
Post by: Wrex on September 30, 2012, 11:45:20 pm
I would imagine Wrex is significantly opposed to sparkling.
Indeed. Bloodthirsy killing machines are not "Fabulous"
Post by: Flying Dice on September 30, 2012, 11:46:41 pm
I would imagine Wrex is significantly opposed to sparkling.
Indeed. Bloodthirsy killing machines are not "Fabulous"
Have you never seen Alucard?
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 11:47:08 pm
I would imagine Wrex is significantly opposed to sparkling.
Indeed. Bloodthirsy killing machines are not "Fabulous"
Have you never seen Alucard?
Flying Dice wins.
Post by: Wrex on September 30, 2012, 11:50:21 pm
I would imagine Wrex is significantly opposed to sparkling.
Indeed. Bloodthirsy killing machines are not "Fabulous"
Have you never seen Alucard?
Flying Dice wins.
This does not mean I consent to this "Glitter-Paint". Ick. I'm already a blonde, damnit!
Post by: Hanslanda on September 30, 2012, 11:52:07 pm
Post by: Wrex on September 30, 2012, 11:54:22 pm
Blond? You just ruined the whole werewolf thing. Werewolves are brown or black or gray. Not blond.
Scandanavian blood here, it's unavoidable. Granted, it gets brown from all the dried blood.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 30, 2012, 11:57:26 pm
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on October 01, 2012, 12:04:14 am
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 12:06:06 am
imagines the eggs are mine, me want all bustly ladies,Ladies and gentlemen, the newest addition to this topic.
Post by: Oliolli on October 01, 2012, 12:07:43 am
*Loud Whispers is crushed by a rock*Can't tell if serious or trolling.It's Oliolli. He's cave trolling.
That's mountain trolling, thank you very much.
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 12:08:23 am
Looks more like a Librarian from Metro 2033, to me.*Loud Whispers is crushed by a rock*Can't tell if serious or trolling.It's Oliolli. He's cave trolling.
That's mountain trolling, thank you very much.
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on October 01, 2012, 12:09:21 am
Post by: Oliolli on October 01, 2012, 12:23:34 am
Hey, you recognized it :DLooks more like a Librarian from Metro 2033, to me.*Loud Whispers is crushed by a rock*Can't tell if serious or trolling.It's Oliolli. He's cave trolling.
That's mountain trolling, thank you very much.
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 12:25:34 am
Beat it for the first time the other day. Spent more than a few moments staring at their ugly faces, hoping they don't attack :PHey, you recognized it :DLooks more like a Librarian from Metro 2033, to me.*Loud Whispers is crushed by a rock*Can't tell if serious or trolling.It's Oliolli. He's cave trolling.
That's mountain trolling, thank you very much.
Post by: MantisMan on October 01, 2012, 12:36:14 am
Oh god I'd forgotten about transabled people.
Wait, those are the ones who basically want to take a perfectly functional body and cripple it, right?
It's a real thing. I haven't knowingly met anyone like that, but I've read a little about it. The key thing that might be misinterpreted from that is that it's only their own bodies that they want to mutilate. The description of this kind of mental state used many of the same phrases as the descriptions of the various "trans-" subgroups, though I don't remember reading anything about otherkin in this source. They just don't feel like they're in the right body. I remember it was all phrased very professionally, but I can't remember the source.
I'm not too sure on the rules about putting half of a hyphenated word in quotes. :-\
I would imagine Wrex is significantly opposed to sparkling.
Indeed. Bloodthirsy killing machines are not "Fabulous"
Have you never seen Alucard?
The image I'm thinking of qualifies more as "pimpin'", rather than fabulous. Remember when he goes overseas to the hotel? The afternoon before a few swat teams try to murder him, thinking he's some kind of dangerous terrorist?
Post by: MaximumZero on October 01, 2012, 01:03:04 am
According to Underworld, you become totally useless, and can only fight by using windmill bitch-slaps.Well, I mean, if vampy-venom got in your fuzz-stream?
Probably nothing. These things ARE incompatible, you know.
Also, this is assuming his non-silvered teeth will actually penetrate the skin.
Post by: Wrex on October 01, 2012, 01:06:44 am
According to Underworld, you become totally useless, and can only fight by using windmill bitch-slaps.Well, I mean, if vampy-venom got in your fuzz-stream?
Probably nothing. These things ARE incompatible, you know.
Also, this is assuming his non-silvered teeth will actually penetrate the skin.
Almost as bad as being in a room with Descan and a paintbrush.
Post by: Krew on October 01, 2012, 01:09:47 am
-Random guy in line at subway.
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 01:14:45 am
"No no, all I'm saying is if you flapped your arms on the moon like a bird, you could get lift because of the reduced gravity"Supposedly, if you actually had air on the moon you could fly under your own power. You'd have to use some fake wings for extra lift, but you would be able to essentially flap your arms.
-Random guy in line at subway.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 01, 2012, 04:32:23 am
Post by: Reelya on October 01, 2012, 04:41:08 am
Sitting in a dark room listening to repetitive drum'n'bass mp3 track's on headphones is latest 'drug craze'. And it might just lead to smoking pot, then onto shooting up cocaine and heroin!
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Narcotics authorities in the US admit are concerned that the practice of searching online for stronger iDoses leads users down the path to more harmful practices.
"iDosing" can be seen as a gateway drug, they claim.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/digital-drugs/
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Oklahoma’s Mustang Public School district isn’t taking the threat lightly, and sent out a letter to parents warning them of the new craze. The educators have gone so far as to ban iPods at school, in hopes of preventing honor students from becoming cyber-drug fiends, News 9 reports.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 01, 2012, 04:50:24 am
I... I've been an addict all along :-[
Please don't judge me.. j..just one more track, that's all I'm asking for.. maybe an album.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 01, 2012, 04:57:27 am
I NEED THEM!
Post by: scriver on October 01, 2012, 05:18:59 am
Post by: Zangi on October 01, 2012, 07:24:21 am
Stupidest fear campaign i've heard of recently - iDosing (http://www.news.com.au/technology/idosing-and-digital-drugs-can-your-kids-really-get-high-without-narcotics/story-e6frfro0-1225892539705)What is this? (Goes to download.)
Sitting in a dark room listening to repetitive drum'n'bass mp3 track's on headphones is latest 'drug craze'. And it might just lead to smoking pot, then onto shooting up cocaine and heroin!QuoteNarcotics authorities in the US admit are concerned that the practice of searching online for stronger iDoses leads users down the path to more harmful practices.
"iDosing" can be seen as a gateway drug, they claim.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/digital-drugs/QuoteOklahoma’s Mustang Public School district isn’t taking the threat lightly, and sent out a letter to parents warning them of the new craze. The educators have gone so far as to ban iPods at school, in hopes of preventing honor students from becoming cyber-drug fiends, News 9 reports.
Post by: Yoink on October 01, 2012, 07:31:14 am
Post by: Reelya on October 01, 2012, 07:33:18 am
Basically they're "atonal" loops that go for 25 or 55 minutes (which is a cheap $14.99).
Technically, this stuff is probably less listenable than actual drum and bass albums.
Here's a 20 minute drum'n'bass track, the first thing that appears on google search:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-8lssnV1VU
I always associate this scene with my old friends who scoff ecstasy like candies.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 01, 2012, 07:39:17 am
I probably have several behavioral addictions, myself. Porn, internet forums, porn, world of warcraft, porn... Though in serious, I'm cutting back on the porn simply because I'm getting the most horrible of side effects from my anti depressants: reduced sex drive. It makes me sad, but probably not as sad as going off them.
Post by: Kedly on October 01, 2012, 07:43:22 am
Post by: Yoink on October 01, 2012, 08:02:12 am
...Psst, think ya can set me up?
Post by: Skyrunner on October 01, 2012, 08:15:12 am
Post by: Reelya on October 01, 2012, 08:24:55 am
Post by: Kedly on October 01, 2012, 08:26:28 am
Post by: Skyrunner on October 01, 2012, 08:26:47 am
Post by: Kedly on October 01, 2012, 08:28:57 am
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on October 01, 2012, 08:31:24 am
how the sodd is listening to music ment to make you high, brain damage?
Post by: kaijyuu on October 01, 2012, 08:33:30 am
Post by: Kedly on October 01, 2012, 08:36:33 am
Post by: Reelya on October 01, 2012, 08:41:16 am
As someone who's name i forget (possibly Jello Biafra) once wrote about the similar backwards masking panic, "if backwards masking really worked, every song would have 'buy the album' backwards masked on it"
Post by: kaijyuu on October 01, 2012, 08:48:00 am
I'm not kidding when I say anything can become a behavioral addiction. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_addiction) Any time someone uses an activity to deal with stress for long enough, they can become addicted to it. Their body's used to the regular impact of pleasurable brain chemicals it provides, and stopping that activity can lead to all the regular effects of withdrawal. Especially nasty are the vicious cycle ones, like overeating (adds stress due to being overweight, means more desire to eat, etc), gambling (stress from losing money), or any activity with shame attached to it (porn, masturbation, etc).
Post by: Kedly on October 01, 2012, 08:50:51 am
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Post by: Kedly on October 01, 2012, 08:56:15 am
Post by: Hanslanda on October 01, 2012, 12:33:23 pm
Yeah but I thought thats more subtle influence. Doesn't addiction usually require substantial?
Nope. You don't need anything but repetition for addiction, as far as I understand it.
Post by: Descan on October 01, 2012, 01:53:28 pm
Either desire to have the high/endorphins/action, or desire to not NOT have it. Like, drinking to get back to a "normal" state.
Post by: Graknorke on October 01, 2012, 04:01:37 pm
If something was bothering him, he chose not to care about it. NOW he's doing things like quitting jobs or not fulfilling responsibilities because he has a hard time caring about ANYTHINGSo... that's a bad thing?
Shit.
I suppose it's a least a good thing for me that I care enough to be somewhat concerned about how much I care.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 01, 2012, 04:24:55 pm
Repetition and desire, I'd think. Unless you count habit as an addiction.
If I could kick my addictions to sleep and air I'd be so much happier. But, man, the withdraw symptoms are a killer.
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 05:10:44 pm
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Some Girl: I was wondering, where are you from? I mean, I can't place your accent.Thankfully, class ended immediately afterward.
Vaguely Middle-Eastern Teacher: I'm Dutch. I was born in the Netherlands.
Some Girl: Wait, really? I thought the Dutch were my people. White.
Me: *headdesk*
Post by: Remalle on October 01, 2012, 05:14:08 pm
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 05:18:07 pm
Post by: Mongol13524 on October 01, 2012, 05:21:52 pm
Post by: Reelya on October 01, 2012, 05:31:14 pm
I've seen people follow up "where are you from?" when they didn't get their expected response (ethnic origin) with "No, I mean 'where' are you 'from'?"
Can get pretty funny in a way, because i have heard about some 5th generation Australians of Chinese descent (ancestors came to Australia in the 1850's), still labelled as Chinese, and asked "where they are from", by white people who are 2nd generation settlers, and consider themselves thoroughly Australian.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 01, 2012, 05:45:58 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 01, 2012, 06:07:42 pm
In my logic class today:QuoteSome Girl: I was wondering, where are you from? I mean, I can't place your accent.Thankfully, class ended immediately afterward.
Vaguely Middle-Eastern Teacher: I'm Dutch. I was born in the Netherlands.
Some Girl: Wait, really? I thought the Dutch were my people. White.
Me: *headdesk*
You have a "logic class"? What school is this?
Actually, that only makes the comment funnier.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 01, 2012, 06:12:57 pm
In a similar vein, my ethics class is interesting because maybe three people besides myself care about it.
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 06:15:45 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 01, 2012, 06:17:00 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on October 01, 2012, 06:20:01 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 01, 2012, 06:23:09 pm
Speaking of missing courses, what the hell happened to having Latin taught in high school?
My high school still has Latin as an elective.
I actually took it, and learned more during two years than most people in the class could in a lifetime on the subject.
The biggest problem is the teacher. She's old and crazy as they come.
Post by: Zrk2 on October 01, 2012, 08:02:21 pm
Speaking of missing courses, what the hell happened to having Latin taught in high school?
My school had it.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 01, 2012, 08:10:53 pm
Speaking of missing courses, what the hell happened to having Latin taught in high school?
Fuck that. I had it and it was really useful, but not anything I'd force on anyone. People should be able to take it as an elective or something though.
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 08:19:39 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 01, 2012, 08:30:10 pm
My high school only offered French and Spanish. I took the former and had a blast all three years.
This.
Je m'appelle Jacob, je sais American. Comme tu t'appelle? (Argh, how I make cedilla?) Ca va?
Post by: Sirus on October 01, 2012, 08:33:21 pm
(I barely remember any of my lessons, sadly. California doesn't have a high French-speaking population to practice with :P )
Post by: Zrk2 on October 01, 2012, 08:43:15 pm
Post by: Jervill on October 01, 2012, 08:43:32 pm
Estudio noruego actualmente.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 01, 2012, 08:45:16 pm
Bonjour! Je m'appelle Sirus. Ca va bien, et toi?
(I barely remember any of my lessons, sadly. California doesn't have a high French-speaking population to practice with :P )
Ehh, comme si comme ca.
Je suis content, mais mon certification "bilinguale" est un blague.
Uh, je ne parle pas en francais mais un peu. Tres un peu.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 01, 2012, 09:05:17 pm
Post by: Nilik on October 01, 2012, 11:07:01 pm
Ich sprechen nicht Deutche. :(
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 01, 2012, 11:08:33 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 02, 2012, 01:46:16 am
Speaking of missing courses, what the hell happened to having Latin taught in high school?Nothing, why?
Ja. Ich bin schule bus.Beep beep.
Post by: scriver on October 02, 2012, 04:58:26 am
My high school only offered French and Spanish. I took the former and had a blast all three years.
...Wait, you only start learning languages in high school over there?
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 02, 2012, 05:06:11 am
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on October 02, 2012, 05:56:47 am
We're Americans(I think?) we only learn other languages to tell people to stop speaking 'em, don't make me bust out the Team America theme.My high school only offered French and Spanish. I took the former and had a blast all three years.
...Wait, you only start learning languages in high school over there?
That said, my school didn't have latin but my school's had a pretty steady stream of budget cuts, so that was probably one of the classes lost. It's a shame too because I kinda wanted to learn latin.
Post by: Oliolli on October 02, 2012, 07:05:50 am
Post by: kaijyuu on October 02, 2012, 07:10:00 am
Post by: Yoink on October 02, 2012, 07:18:28 am
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Post by: Slayerhero90 on October 02, 2012, 07:33:45 am
All that we've relly been taught are greetings, goodbyes, basic commands (plural and singular), basic questions and answers, months, days, colors, descriptions of temperature, and a shitload of other adjectives.
I can try to piece together basic sentences. (Mein Shulefarben bist dunkelblau und gold. ?)
Also, so many things are sexual references in German. You don't say "Ich bin gut." That means "I'm good. In bed." You say "Mir ist Gut." Me is good?
You don't say "Ich bin (whatever the word for hot is. hei(esset)?)" That means "LET'S DO IT RIGHT NOW!" I do believe it's "mir ist" again.
You need to call people "gro(esset)" (big) or "klein" (small). You don't get any points for guessing what it means if you call someone short or long.
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 02, 2012, 08:42:12 am
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Post by: Flying Dice on October 02, 2012, 10:01:27 am
Learn to speak Chinese, German, English, and Afrikaans, and you'll be able to speak with probably over half the world population.
Forgot Spanish. That's more than a continent worth of people.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 02, 2012, 10:02:39 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 02, 2012, 10:04:20 am
Post by: kaijyuu on October 02, 2012, 10:09:55 am
Worse for me though is I read/type a lot more than vocal speaking, so I mispronounce a ton of words. I used to pronounce "convoluted" as "convulted" until someone asked what the hell I was saying one day. It's even worse with those wacky fantasy names, since I'm not going to spend 10 minutes figuring out all the syllables in "Nynaeve" or whatever and will just come up with a rough approximation in my head.
Post by: scriver on October 02, 2012, 10:12:19 am
Learn to speak Chinese, German, English, and Afrikaans, and you'll be able to speak with probably over half the world population.
Wait, German? I think Spanish or French would be more suitable. I mean, they hardly even speak German in Schweiz and Austria, let alone anywhere else :P
I'm also not sure what Afrikaans is even doing on that list. Did you mean Swahili?
Post by: Oliolli on October 02, 2012, 10:16:07 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 02, 2012, 10:20:40 am
Haha yeah, me too. Sometimes I use a word here or elsewhere in a formal debate, read it over and think to myself "am I actually defining this word right?"
Worse for me though is I read/type a lot more than vocal speaking, so I mispronounce a ton of words. I used to pronounce "convoluted" as "convulted" until someone asked what the hell I was saying one day. It's even worse with those wacky fantasy names, since I'm not going to spend 10 minutes figuring out all the syllables in "Nynaeve" or whatever and will just come up with a rough approximation in my head.
I'm honestly half-convinced that Robert Jordan came up with his names just to fuck with the obsessive fans and give them something to argue about until the next Age.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 02, 2012, 10:22:33 am
Post by: i2amroy on October 02, 2012, 10:26:24 am
That name in particular? My brain came up with "Ny-na-veen." Don't ask me how.It's actually NIGH-neev. Robert Jordan might have been horrible in some of his other habits, but at least he includes a glossary with the correct pronunciation for almost every strange name or word at the back of his books.
Post by: RedKing on October 02, 2012, 10:31:55 am
Learn to speak Chinese, German, English, and Afrikaans, and you'll be able to speak with probably over half the world population.
Wait, German? I think Spanish or French would be more suitable. I mean, they hardly even speak German in Schweiz and Austria, let alone anywhere else :P
I'm also not sure what Afrikaans is even doing on that list. Did you mean Swahili?
By my calculations, you would actually need to learn the top 14 languages in order to speak with half the world's population.
Mandarin
Spanish
English
Hindi
Arabic
Portuguese
Bengali
Russian
Japanese
Punjabi
German
Javanese
Wu (eastern Chinese dialect, sometimes called Shanghainese)
Indonesian/Malay
In order to pass written notes (without Romanization), you'd also need to learn at least seven different writing systems:
Chinese characters (Mandarin; Wu)
Arabic (Arabic; can also be used for Malay and Javanese)
Latin alphabet (English, Spanish, German, Portuguese, Malay, Javanese)
Bengali (Bengali)
Devanagari (Hindi, can be used for Punjabi)
Cyrillic alphabet (Russian)
Hiragana + kana chracters (Japanese)
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 02, 2012, 10:38:46 am
Well, Spanish or French would work just as well, as would probably Italian. They're all very widely spread languages. I chose German since it's more central and differentiated from English. Russian was there originally, I guess that would work too. I was trying to think of the most widespread languages avoiding overlap, thus no Spanish.Learn to speak Chinese, German, English, and Afrikaans, and you'll be able to speak with probably over half the world population.
Wait, German? I think Spanish or French would be more suitable. I mean, they hardly even speak German in Schweiz and Austria, let alone anywhere else :P
I'm also not sure what Afrikaans is even doing on that list. Did you mean Swahili?
Yeah, I probably meant Swahili. Africa has been sadly neglected in my studies. I'm not sure which language is most likely to be understood over there.
It's also taking into account most countries are bilingual to some extent. The vast majority of people on Earth at least speak English, I imagine Chinese is widely studied in Asia where English isn't taught, and a few fallback languages like Spanish, German, Russian, or French could get you understood most places in the world.
Everyone here speaks English but I think Americans are a minority if you count some of the other countries together. The Scandinavians for example are all over these boards.
Woah. You mean in their native tongue, or are you taking Bilinguals into account?Learn to speak Chinese, German, English, and Afrikaans, and you'll be able to speak with probably over half the world population.
Wait, German? I think Spanish or French would be more suitable. I mean, they hardly even speak German in Schweiz and Austria, let alone anywhere else :P
I'm also not sure what Afrikaans is even doing on that list. Did you mean Swahili?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, damn Chinese you scary!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 02, 2012, 10:46:08 am
Post by: i2amroy on October 02, 2012, 10:46:40 am
Yeah, I probably meant Swahili. Africa has been sadly neglected in my studies. I'm not sure which language is most likely to be understood over there.There isn't really one. :P The three largest used "official" languages are arabic, french, and english, but if you are looking at "common" languages then there are over six different families of languages. Africa as a whole has some 2800 or so different languages that are spoken within it, and as a result every person usually ends up learning several different languages as they grow up. If you are looking to be understood by the maximum amount of Africa, your best bet is to simply learn arabic, french, and english and then forget about counting all of the various bush people and smaller tribes.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 02, 2012, 10:49:30 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 02, 2012, 11:26:27 am
Afrikaans is a sort of super-dialect of Dutch.Learn to speak Chinese, German, English, and Afrikaans, and you'll be able to speak with probably over half the world population.
Wait, German? I think Spanish or French would be more suitable. I mean, they hardly even speak German in Schweiz and Austria, let alone anywhere else :P
I'm also not sure what Afrikaans is even doing on that list. Did you mean Swahili?
Post by: scriver on October 02, 2012, 11:36:23 am
Also, @RedKing, that doesn't seem to take multilingualism into account at all... For example, if I remember correctly, you can get along better with English than Hindi in India because almost everyone spekaks it, while far from all speak Hindi.
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 02, 2012, 11:39:20 am
I know, historically, that just seems wrong, but structurally the languages are super similar, and the shared vocabulary is large. But English doesn't really have all that German a structure, does it?
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 02, 2012, 11:41:44 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 02, 2012, 11:46:35 am
Actually, I'm pretty sure spanish is the most similar to english of all the euro-languages (other than English).
I know, historically, that just seems wrong, but structurally the languages are super similar, and the shared vocabulary is large. But English doesn't really have all that German a structure, does it?
Actually, English is a Germanic language, while Spanish is a Romantic language. English, Scots, Dutch, and the various flavors of German all developed from the same West-Germanic branch of proto-German. The various Norse languages developed from the North-Germanic branch of the language.
Granted, modern English gives and receives quite a few loan-words and grammatical structures.
Post by: scriver on October 02, 2012, 12:09:44 pm
Actually, I'm pretty sure spanish is the most similar to english of all the euro-languages (other than English).
I know, historically, that just seems wrong, but structurally the languages are super similar, and the shared vocabulary is large. But English doesn't really have all that German a structure, does it?
Being a speaker of Swedish and English, having studied Spanish and having heard my family talk German to each other (they all studied it and used to have conversations in it) to the point where I'm relatively knowledeable (as in for someone who hasn't studied it) of it, I can say to you with certainty that you are wrong. German is much closer to English, definitely dictionary-wise and to lesser extent grammatically. And Spanish certainly isn't "closest to English" of the European languages, that would be Dutch, and Swedish pretty much works exactly like English grammatically and lots of the words are direct relatives.
Post by: RedKing on October 02, 2012, 12:35:36 pm
Karne, Spanish/French still isn't more like English than German :PI was just going off the chart at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers), which admittedly doesn't consider 2nd languages. Equally interesting (but far more complicated to calculate) would be most widely spoken languages (in terms of geographic area rather than population). For instance, French isn't the powerhouse it used to be, but it's spoken across a large swath of the world thanks to colonialism. While Wu is pretty much just in a relatively small area centered on Shanghai (which nonetheless gives it a speakership of around 80 million because Shanghai is ZOMGPEEPLES)
Also, @RedKing, that doesn't seem to take multilingualism into account at all... For example, if I remember correctly, you can get along better with English than Hindi in India because almost everyone spekaks it, while far from all speak Hindi.
Post by: SealyStar on October 02, 2012, 02:17:22 pm
My school has Finnish, English, Swedish, German, French, Spanish, Italian and Latin. I'm only fluent in the first two, as for Swedish my skill in it mainly consists of "Jag pratar inte Svenska." I did study French in grades 3-5, but remember nothing of it.
What country is this? I want to know what school teaches that many languages.
Solum Latinam scio. Volo plures linguas scire, sed modo possum unam discere in schola.
Post by: scriver on October 02, 2012, 02:41:58 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on October 02, 2012, 02:48:14 pm
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You know what, we(americans) should Invade Switzerland! Its full of banks right? We'll be the richest country in the world!Wut. Just wut.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 02, 2012, 02:50:38 pm
I dont remember where i read/heard this but:War fixes everything! Even war!QuoteYou know what, we(americans) should Invade Switzerland! Its full of banks right? We'll be the richest country in the world!Wut. Just wut.
~Murricaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: scriver on October 02, 2012, 03:04:36 pm
They're kind of serious about their freedom.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 02, 2012, 05:02:24 pm
Post by: i2amroy on October 02, 2012, 05:05:39 pm
Very useful until the Swiss think that you can't do anything to them, at which point all your money belongs to the Swiss. They even kept gold made from the melted fillings of holocaust victims after WWII.It's not that they take it when they think that you can't do anything, it's that their bank accounts have a year limit where if it goes untouched for that long then it defaults to the Swiss government (info from a Swiss exchange student). As such a lot of the gold and various other objects from WWII defaulted to the swiss government because so many people died, therefore leaving their accounts unused.
Post by: SealyStar on October 02, 2012, 05:27:31 pm
"Yes, it's from Latin"; note there is no specific context for this, as she says it pretty much any time someone asks her if a word is from Latin.
"I heard 'Skyrom' [her pronunciation, sic] is a pretty good video game, so I bought it for my son for Christmas! People tell me it's got Latin in it!"
"If you don't put your name on the paper, I'll put in in the 'nemo' [n.b.: Latin for "nobody"] file."
"There are only two fourth declension neuter nouns, 'genu' [knee] and 'cornu' [horn]." One week later, and "gelu" [ice] appears in the text. Cue confusion.
On the subject of those two words, let's cut to her bizarre concept of how high school students memorize everything better with sexual innuendo involved: "You can remember these are the two because it's ironic, the words are 'horn knee', like 'horny', but they're neuter gender!". Actually, this worked. But it was still uncharacteristically... uncouth of her.
And the crown jewel: she calls up my father one day to tell him about how well I'm doing in class, but she also has a concern about me: She thinks that I think I'm a time traveler. I kid you not. The origin of this concept: a brief writing she had us do about what we would do if we time-traveled to Ancient Rome. She evidently forgot this.
Post by: Descan on October 02, 2012, 05:30:58 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 02, 2012, 05:31:34 pm
Or all those years of studying latin made her very, very sheltered.
Post by: Wrex on October 02, 2012, 05:33:35 pm
That's pretty creepy, though.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 02, 2012, 05:34:44 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 02, 2012, 05:44:31 pm
Probably Schizotypal, but I would have to see her to be sure.
That's pretty creepy, though.
Schizotypal's not out of the question. There's clearly something mentally wrong with her. And yes, she's interesting to know... in a certain meaning of "interesting".
She also treats me like she's a stereotypical Asian mom. As in, she expects me to be the best at the class (because, honestly, I am. Mainly due to my memory, which is good for a language with complex paradigms), and always gets personally concerned if I get one question wrong on a test ("Oh, [name], it's 'supremus', not 'superrimus!'"). I can't even wait to see her freakout when she learns I'm only taking one semester of her class this year...
Post by: Yoink on October 02, 2012, 10:59:46 pm
And the crown jewel: she calls up my father one day to tell him about how well I'm doing in class, but she also has a concern about me: She thinks that I think I'm a time traveler. I kid you not. The origin of this concept: a brief writing she had us do about what we would do if we time-traveled to Ancient Rome. She evidently forgot this.
xD Whoah, that would be... An interesting class indeed!
Post by: Oliolli on October 03, 2012, 03:57:40 am
My school has Finnish, English, Swedish, German, French, Spanish, Italian and Latin. I'm only fluent in the first two, as for Swedish my skill in it mainly consists of "Jag pratar inte Svenska." I did study French in grades 3-5, but remember nothing of it.
What country is this? I want to know what school teaches that many languages.
Finland. Although my school is the 4th best high school in Finland.
Hmm, actually, I may be wrong about Italian, not sure...
Interesting fact about Finland: EVERYONE has to learn to speak Swedish, yet there are some, who don't need to learn to speak Finnish. Only the minority speaks Swedish as their native tongue in Finland, yet everyone learns it. The majority is only fluent in Finnish, but some Finns don't have to learn it.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 03, 2012, 04:33:23 am
Post by: Siquo on October 03, 2012, 06:15:07 am
I'm sure it was just a joke, but yeah, invading Switzerland? Impossible. They're what happens if you take Afghanistan and fill it with the most militia-ist, gun-crazy American rednecks you can find, and also give each and every one of them military training and require them to keep their own arms at home at all time. You can't beat their army without crushing the entire populace.Don't forget they mined out the Alps and there's hidden bunkers everywhere. It's a country, sitting on top of an underground military complex. Strategic bridges are already wired to be blown up, steep hillsides are mined to create artificial landslides, gigantic fortresses inside mountains, etc. (link (http://io9.com/5919581/how-switzerland-camouflaged-its-ready+to+explode-architecture-during-the-cold-war))
They're kind of serious about their freedom.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 03, 2012, 06:23:32 am
now render that in asciiI'm sure it was just a joke, but yeah, invading Switzerland? Impossible. They're what happens if you take Afghanistan and fill it with the most militia-ist, gun-crazy American rednecks you can find, and also give each and every one of them military training and require them to keep their own arms at home at all time. You can't beat their army without crushing the entire populace.Don't forget they mined out the Alps and there's hidden bunkers everywhere. It's a country, sitting on top of an underground military complex. Strategic bridges are already wired to be blown up, steep hillsides are mined to create artificial landslides, gigantic fortresses inside mountains, etc. (link (http://io9.com/5919581/how-switzerland-camouflaged-its-ready+to+explode-architecture-during-the-cold-war))
They're kind of serious about their freedom.
Post by: Scoops Novel on October 03, 2012, 06:27:56 am
Post by: scriver on October 03, 2012, 07:27:46 am
Interesting fact about Finland: EVERYONE has to learn to speak Swedish,
Wasn't that law changed like just last year?
Post by: miauw62 on October 03, 2012, 07:45:24 am
To be both on-topic and discuss the foreign language education topic, some pearls of wisdom from the high school Latin teacher:
"Yes, it's from Latin"; note there is no specific context for this, as she says it pretty much any time someone asks her if a word is from Latin.
"I heard 'Skyrom' [her pronunciation, sic] is a pretty good video game, so I bought it for my son for Christmas! People tell me it's got Latin in it!"
"If you don't put your name on the paper, I'll put in in the 'nemo' [n.b.: Latin for "nobody"] file."
"There are only two fourth declension neuter nouns, 'genu' [knee] and 'cornu' [horn]." One week later, and "gelu" [ice] appears in the text. Cue confusion.
On the subject of those two words, let's cut to her bizarre concept of how high school students memorize everything better with sexual innuendo involved: "You can remember these are the two because it's ironic, the words are 'horn knee', like 'horny', but they're neuter gender!". Actually, this worked. But it was still uncharacteristically... uncouth of her.
And the crown jewel: she calls up my father one day to tell him about how well I'm doing in class, but she also has a concern about me: She thinks that I think I'm a time traveler. I kid you not. The origin of this concept: a brief writing she had us do about what we would do if we time-traveled to Ancient Rome. She evidently forgot this.
This probably supports my theory that all Latin teachers are a little insane.
Post by: Darvi on October 03, 2012, 07:49:22 am
Post by: Oliolli on October 03, 2012, 07:56:24 am
Interesting fact about Finland: EVERYONE has to learn to speak Swedish,
Wasn't that law changed like just last year?
I'm not sure, I think in Ĺland they still don't need to learn Finnish.
hm... is there a sami language?
Not in my school, no. It is an official language in Finland, though.
Post by: scriver on October 03, 2012, 08:50:54 am
Interesting fact about Finland: EVERYONE has to learn to speak Swedish,
Wasn't that law changed like just last year?
I'm not sure, I think in Ĺland they still don't need to learn Finnish.
I meant the law about having to learn Swedish, though. Wasn't that made "by choice" just recently?
Post by: da_nang on October 03, 2012, 09:37:43 am
One thing that has changed is that it's no longer mandatory to take the matriculation examination of the second official language
EDIT: That was 2004, it seems.
Post by: Yoink on October 03, 2012, 11:10:57 am
Post by: Hanslanda on October 03, 2012, 11:11:37 am
Whoa, just before I was liek, surfin a forum, and there were these guise sayin PEPSI tastes better then COKE. I mean liek, WTF man? OMG. :-X I guess they were trolling an shit. Lol weird.
Can you believe this crap? Someone seriously thinks COKE is good?
Wierdos.
:P
Post by: kaijyuu on October 03, 2012, 11:16:43 am
Note: I still drink and enjoy it. And it's better than Coke. But not TaB, which is a Coke product. And that is inferior to Diet Pepsi Lime.
...
They had a lot of sodas in the high school vending machines and I always had spare change. I have a right to arbitrarily rank these things.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 03, 2012, 11:22:55 am
They had a lot of sodas in the high school vending machines and I always had spare change. I have a right to arbitrarily rank these things.
I used to mix and match the sodas at McDonald's and stuff all the time. Got some interesting combos.
Post by: Sirus on October 03, 2012, 11:26:37 am
None of it compares to a good root beer, of course.
Post by: Yoink on October 03, 2012, 11:28:28 am
None of it compares to a goodrootbeer, of course.
THIS MAN SPEAKS TRUTH
Post by: kaijyuu on October 03, 2012, 11:30:15 am
They call them "suicide drinks" around here. I had my own little concoction when I worked at Subway.They had a lot of sodas in the high school vending machines and I always had spare change. I have a right to arbitrarily rank these things.
I used to mix and match the sodas at McDonald's and stuff all the time. Got some interesting combos.
The fruit punch gives a good tang, if used sparingly~
Post by: Sirus on October 03, 2012, 11:30:59 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 03, 2012, 11:32:12 am
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 03, 2012, 11:44:18 am
Viking sweat optional.
Post by: Sirus on October 03, 2012, 11:45:51 am
Post by: Hanslanda on October 03, 2012, 11:47:23 am
...the heck is a "lingonberry"? Never heard of it, much less it's juice form :o
This. Did you mean Klingonberry?
Post by: Sirus on October 03, 2012, 11:48:23 am
Never heard of those either, tbh :P...the heck is a "lingonberry"? Never heard of it, much less it's juice form :o
This. Did you mean Klingonberry?
I mean, I've heard of Klingons, but...
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 03, 2012, 11:49:50 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 03, 2012, 11:50:55 am
In all seriousness, one of the better brands of root beer can be pretty darned good. But I stopped drinking soda after my first cavity drilling, because no way in hell am I going to be dealing with that once I'm not covered by the family insurance policy. It might have had something to do with that weekend where I drank 8 root beers and 13 Ale-8-1s in about 20 hours. I incidentally started feeling quite a bit better after I stopped drinking soda.Holy blood that belongs with penguins that's ridiculous amounts of soda indulgence!
Post by: da_nang on October 03, 2012, 12:07:35 pm
...the heck is a "lingonberry"? Never heard of it, much less it's juice form :oD: How- I don't- ENLIGHTEN THESE PEOPLE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingonberry).
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 03, 2012, 12:10:14 pm
Yay Finns knowing more than I do! Yaaay!...the heck is a "lingonberry"? Never heard of it, much less it's juice form :oD: How- I don't- ENLIGHTEN THESE PEOPLE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingonberry).
I've never been further north than Akureyri. In retrospect that's pretty far north :U but three weeks in Iceland and I never even saw one lingonberry-ish food item. They had good hot dogs though.
Post by: da_nang on October 03, 2012, 12:14:15 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 03, 2012, 12:18:49 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 03, 2012, 12:20:49 pm
I love mashed potatoes
When I go to university I plan to buy lots of potatoes, fruit and sausage. And oatmeal for breakfast - one big bag of brown sugar is all it takes to turn tons of oatmeal edible (chocolate chips optional).
Is this feasible, you guys?
Post by: scriver on October 03, 2012, 01:19:36 pm
Also, "on" means berry, so Englishspeakers practically get double the berry with lingonberry. IT'S THE BEST DEAL EVER GET SOME NOW.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 03, 2012, 01:22:30 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 03, 2012, 01:22:55 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 03, 2012, 01:36:34 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 03, 2012, 01:59:57 pm
some random guy replying to that comment:Oh look guys, no more energy crisis!Quoteno. it does not. go read a physics book. you get more energy out of burning hydrogen than you need to make it from water, which is why it can power cars and makes huge explosions in the lab.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_crisis
Oh wait, still there.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 03, 2012, 02:01:21 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 03, 2012, 02:14:26 pm
I was tempted to blank that page, but I want to keep my wikipedia editing priveleges.Holy leather clad cow, I just read it all... Seems everything is about money, money and teh moar moneis.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 03, 2012, 02:17:17 pm
FTFY....the heck is a "lingonberry"? Never heard of it, much less it's juice form :oD: How- I don't-ENLIGHTEN THESE PEOPLE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingonberry)ENLIGHTEN THESE PEOPLE (http://unrealworld.wikia.com/wiki/Lingonberry).
Post by: SealyStar on October 03, 2012, 02:18:23 pm
Who the hell doesn't know about the magic of lingon?
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 03, 2012, 02:24:45 pm
I love lingonberries.i don't, that's vegetarian food(finnish for 'bad hunter').
i only eat bear cuts
Post by: Oliolli on October 03, 2012, 02:47:19 pm
Elk is really tasty though.
And bear, so long as you hunt it and wrestle it to death yourself :P
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 03, 2012, 03:36:03 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 03, 2012, 04:13:37 pm
Lingonberries are the best. The only place I've ever seen lingonberry-flavored stuff in the US is Ikea, though.
I can get it at the local supermarket, but, like all "international foods", it costs, like, $50 a jar. So IKEA is the only reasonable place.
Post by: Sirus on October 03, 2012, 04:19:44 pm
Lingonberries are the best. The only place I've ever seen lingonberry-flavored stuff in the US is Ikea, though.That might explain it. We don't have any IKEAs around here, the grocery stores don't stock the stuff, and any "specialty import" stores would probably gouge the price so much that I'd never give them a second glance :P
Post by: scriver on October 03, 2012, 04:23:26 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 03, 2012, 04:35:58 pm
So... In other words... We're starting an underground lingonberry cross-ocean bootleg operation?
We do have enough people on Bay12 to start either a space program or a small criminal organization...
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 03, 2012, 04:49:11 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 03, 2012, 04:54:17 pm
small criminal organization.
then, once we have the 'legitimate' funds, we start the space program.
And we fly lingonberries into the US in rockets.
Post by: Graknorke on October 03, 2012, 04:56:04 pm
I'm pretty sure Bay12 as a community has more experience with crime squads than space programs.So... In other words... We're starting an underground lingonberry cross-ocean bootleg operation?
We do have enough people on Bay12 to start either a space program or a small criminal organization...
So far.
Post by: Vorthon on October 03, 2012, 05:19:25 pm
Post by: Wrex on October 03, 2012, 05:20:17 pm
Post by: Sirus on October 03, 2012, 05:33:17 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 03, 2012, 06:45:56 pm
ERMAGHERD VERNUS EHS AH BERDARSS
Post by: Graknorke on October 03, 2012, 07:02:34 pm
Well the Retard Planet happens to be the only rocky planetiod in the system we can't keep a lander on for over an hour, so...
ERMAGHERD VERNUS EHS AH BERDARSS
Spoiler: I am so sorry please forgive me (click to show/hide)
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 03, 2012, 07:35:30 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 03, 2012, 10:38:01 pm
I suppose I should get around to updating my avatar, huh?
Great. Now I have flashbacks everytime you post. :)
Post by: darkrider2 on October 03, 2012, 10:42:39 pm
I suppose I should get around to updating my avatar, huh?
Great. Now I have flashbacks everytime you post. :)
Kamins avatar does that to me. Now you know my pain.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 03, 2012, 10:44:20 pm
I suppose I should get around to updating my avatar, huh?
Great. Now I have flashbacks everytime you post. :)
Kamins avatar does that to me. Now you know my pain.
Acid flashbacks. Mine are fun. :P
Post by: Wrex on October 03, 2012, 10:45:00 pm
I suppose I should get around to updating my avatar, huh?
Great. Now I have flashbacks everytime you post. :)
Kamins avatar does that to me. Now you know my pain.
Acid flashbacks. Mine are fun. :P
Suddenly glad i've never used.
Post by: Mlamlah on October 04, 2012, 12:04:30 am
People seem to think i'm the go to guy for eating weird stuff.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 04, 2012, 12:13:54 am
Post by: Hanslanda on October 04, 2012, 12:25:49 am
Acid flashbacks. Mine are fun. :P
Suddenly glad i've never used.
Ecstasy permanently changes your brain chemistry the very first time you used it. Which is much cooler than it sounds. :P
But seriously, drugs are bad, m'kay?
Post by: Wrex on October 04, 2012, 12:28:05 am
Acid flashbacks. Mine are fun. :P
Suddenly glad i've never used.
Ecstasy permanently changes your brain chemistry the very first time you used it. Which is much cooler than it sounds. :P
But seriously, drugs are bad, m'kay?
It certainly sounds very uncool.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 04, 2012, 12:38:46 am
When I hear dubstep, my jaw starts aching, and my teeth chatter, and I get a cold sweat. When I sit in a room with pastel purple paint on the walls (like, say, the one at Rehab) I get minor visual hallucinations. Driving at night is technicolor insanity you would not believe when all the lights leave temporary streaks across your vision.
Uncool? So you say. But it floats my boat pretty well.
Post by: Wrex on October 04, 2012, 12:44:33 am
Not having drugs feels like my lover of five years has just left for my best friend, successfully sued me for my house, car, family, and dog, and then shot me in the gut.
When I hear dubstep, my jaw starts aching, and my teeth chatter, and I get a cold sweat. When I sit in a room with pastel purple paint on the walls (like, say, the one at Rehab) I get minor visual hallucinations. Driving at night is technicolor insanity you would not believe when all the lights leave temporary streaks across your vision.
Uncool? So you say. But it floats my boat pretty well.
That sounds...bad. Christ, Hans.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 04, 2012, 12:48:34 am
Uncool? So you say. But it floats my boat pretty well.
Lol, on topic. :P
That sounds...bad. Christ, Hans.
It could be much, much worse. Thankfully I was a polydrug user, not someone who picked one. People that pick one usually end up very dead.
Post by: da_nang on October 04, 2012, 02:47:05 am
I'm now morbidly curious. I imagine the hot sauce wouldn't mix well with the milk, but the cereal portion's a maybe. Depends on what type of cereal too.Well, the hot sauce wouldn't then exactly be hot anymore. All that capsaicin potential, drowned in milk...
Post by: Durin Stronginthearm on October 04, 2012, 04:46:58 am
Acid flashbacks. Mine are fun. :P
Suddenly glad i've never used.
Ecstasy permanently changes your brain chemistry the very first time you used it.
Can't find anything to back this up, so link plz?
It certainly changes your brain chemistry when you take it - that's how it works - but AFAIK you need to use it on a long-term basis for it to actually make noticeable changes to your brain.
Should also point out that lots of things, including meditation, taking up exercise, falling in love etc can also permanently alter your brain structure and/or chemistry.
Post by: Durin Stronginthearm on October 04, 2012, 04:49:46 am
When I hear dubstep, my jaw starts aching, and my teeth chatter, and I get a cold sweat.
Dubstep makes me feel pretty bad as well.
Post by: Yoink on October 04, 2012, 04:52:20 am
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 04, 2012, 08:08:27 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 04, 2012, 09:03:43 am
Acid flashbacks. Mine are fun. :P
Suddenly glad i've never used.
Ecstasy permanently changes your brain chemistry the very first time you used it.
Can't find anything to back this up, so link plz?
It certainly changes your brain chemistry when you take it - that's how it works - but AFAIK you need to use it on a long-term basis for it to actually make noticeable changes to your brain.
Should also point out that lots of things, including meditation, taking up exercise, falling in love etc can also permanently alter your brain structure and/or chemistry.
Let me google that for you. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/proof-positive-taking-ecstasy-permanently-alters-your-brain-1292311.html) Granted, it doesn't say anything about "first time", but when you're dealing with neuroreceptor production and brain activity, change due to long-term behavior indicates smaller change with short-term behavior. So yes, taking ecstasy a single time would alter your brain chemistry, just likely not in an incredibly visible way. I will note, though, that the way ecstasy works is hardly normal change in brain activity; it forces neurons to dump their entire load of serotonin, creating the extreme happiness associated with it. Because of this, users tend to have much lower serotonin levels after coming down, putting them into an extreme depressive state. Repeated use "wears out" neurons, making it more difficult for your brain to bounce back, leaving you in much more depressive state than when you started using.
It can also cause psychosis in some individuals in shorter time periods. But yeah, equating mild shifts in neurotransmitter production to the sort of changes caused by drug abuse is sort of absurd.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 04, 2012, 11:56:53 am
-snip-
And I used ecstasy a lot. Like. Let's say, over the course of two years, I used ecstasy probably one hundred and fifty to two hundred times. Maybe more, maybe less.
To be honest, it is somewhat amazing I'm alive. If I could accurately explain all the drugs I've taken, and in what amounts, it would all probably qualify for being on topic.
Post by: RedKing on October 04, 2012, 12:05:28 pm
0_o Are we sure Hanslanda isn't Keith Richards?-snip-
And I used ecstasy a lot. Like. Let's say, over the course of two years, I used ecstasy probably one hundred and fifty to two hundred times. Maybe more, maybe less.
To be honest, it is somewhat amazing I'm alive. If I could accurately explain all the drugs I've taken, and in what amounts, it would all probably qualify for being on topic.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 04, 2012, 12:06:19 pm
Well the Retard Planet happens to be the only rocky planetiod in the system we can't keep a lander on for over an hour, so...When did we land on Mercury, or Ceres and the lot if you're going to include planetoids?
ERMAGHERD VERNUS EHS AH BERDARSS
Post by: Hanslanda on October 04, 2012, 12:27:58 pm
0_o Are we sure Hanslanda isn't Keith Richards?-snip-
And I used ecstasy a lot. Like. Let's say, over the course of two years, I used ecstasy probably one hundred and fifty to two hundred times. Maybe more, maybe less.
To be honest, it is somewhat amazing I'm alive. If I could accurately explain all the drugs I've taken, and in what amounts, it would all probably qualify for being on topic.
Yes. I'm way sexier, and also a lot younger.
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 04, 2012, 12:47:51 pm
Keyword "Can't", meaning we don't have the ability.Well the Retard Planet happens to be the only rocky planetiod in the system we can't keep a lander on for over an hour, so...When did we land on Mercury, or Ceres and the lot if you're going to include planetoids?
ERMAGHERD VERNUS EHS AH BERDARSS
We could hold a lander on Mercury for a while and Ceres would be fairly easy if we stuck ourselves to it somehow. Venus fucks up everything though.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 04, 2012, 12:53:51 pm
That may be true, but you can't get no satisfaction.0_o Are we sure Hanslanda isn't Keith Richards?-snip-
And I used ecstasy a lot. Like. Let's say, over the course of two years, I used ecstasy probably one hundred and fifty to two hundred times. Maybe more, maybe less.
To be honest, it is somewhat amazing I'm alive. If I could accurately explain all the drugs I've taken, and in what amounts, it would all probably qualify for being on topic.
Yes. I'm way sexier, and also a lot younger.
Post by: RedKing on October 04, 2012, 01:03:48 pm
That's because he'll never be your beast of burden.That may be true, but you can't get no satisfaction.0_o Are we sure Hanslanda isn't Keith Richards?-snip-
And I used ecstasy a lot. Like. Let's say, over the course of two years, I used ecstasy probably one hundred and fifty to two hundred times. Maybe more, maybe less.
To be honest, it is somewhat amazing I'm alive. If I could accurately explain all the drugs I've taken, and in what amounts, it would all probably qualify for being on topic.
Yes. I'm way sexier, and also a lot younger.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 04, 2012, 01:04:23 pm
That may be true, but you can't get no satisfaction.That's because he'll never be your beast of burden.
...
To whom do I make the Internets payable to?
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 04, 2012, 01:06:49 pm
Post by: RedKing on October 04, 2012, 01:07:37 pm
...unfortunately, I have been unable to procure a suitable barrel.
EDIT: And now I have a powerful hankerin' to go home and plow through several hours of classic Rolling Stones. (always preferred the Stones to the Beatles by about a million times).
Post by: SealyStar on October 04, 2012, 02:09:17 pm
Not having drugs feels like my lover of five years has just left for my best friend, successfully sued me for my house, car, family, and dog, and then shot me in the gut.
When I hear dubstep, my jaw starts aching, and my teeth chatter, and I get a cold sweat. When I sit in a room with pastel purple paint on the walls (like, say, the one at Rehab) I get minor visual hallucinations. Driving at night is technicolor insanity you would not believe when all the lights leave temporary streaks across your vision.
Uncool? So you say. But it floats my boat pretty well.
Well, all these anecdotes about the long-term effects of hallucinogens have turned me away from them more than three mandatory school classes could. Congrats.
I feel that way when I hear dubstep already, though.
Post by: Durin Stronginthearm on October 04, 2012, 02:13:09 pm
Acid flashbacks. Mine are fun. :P
Suddenly glad i've never used.
Ecstasy permanently changes your brain chemistry the very first time you used it.
Can't find anything to back this up, so link plz?
It certainly changes your brain chemistry when you take it - that's how it works - but AFAIK you need to use it on a long-term basis for it to actually make noticeable changes to your brain.
Should also point out that lots of things, including meditation, taking up exercise, falling in love etc can also permanently alter your brain structure and/or chemistry.
Let me google that for you. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/proof-positive-taking-ecstasy-permanently-alters-your-brain-1292311.html) Granted, it doesn't say anything about "first time", but when you're dealing with neuroreceptor production and brain activity, change due to long-term behavior indicates smaller change with short-term behavior. So yes, taking ecstasy a single time would alter your brain chemistry, just likely not in an incredibly visible way. I will note, though, that the way ecstasy works is hardly normal change in brain activity; it forces neurons to dump their entire load of serotonin, creating the extreme happiness associated with it. Because of this, users tend to have much lower serotonin levels after coming down, putting them into an extreme depressive state. Repeated use "wears out" neurons, making it more difficult for your brain to bounce back, leaving you in much more depressive state than when you started using.
It can also cause psychosis in some individuals in shorter time periods. But yeah, equating mild shifts in neurotransmitter production to the sort of changes caused by drug abuse is sort of absurd.
That article is from 1997, this one from 2011 (http://this one from 2011) would suggest otherwise. I guess the jury's still out about the long-term effects (and I know several people who have taken a similar amount to Hanslanda in the past, who seem fine), but the point still stands that there appears to be no evidence that it "permanently changes your brain chemistry the very first time you use it."
Edit: Though it should go without saying that if you do take any drug you should do so in a moderate and responsible manner, and even then run a certain amount of risk. Not that that's often stopped me...
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 05, 2012, 09:15:58 am
Okay cool, now they're just talking about terrible anime. This is more tolerable.
Post by: scriver on October 05, 2012, 09:52:19 am
These two guys just started this political conversation by denying that they're libertarians with some disdain in their tone for the word. They then start talking about strict constructionism, limiting the government's responsibilities, and states' rights. Guys, I don't really know what else you could be.
Not far out enough on the liberal axis to call themselves libertarian?
Post by: RedKing on October 05, 2012, 09:55:55 am
These two guys just started this political conversation by denying that they're libertarians with some disdain in their tone for the word. They then start talking about strict constructionism, limiting the government's responsibilities, and states' rights. Guys, I don't really know what else you could be.Hipstertarians.
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 05, 2012, 09:57:14 am
These two guys just started this political conversation by denying that they're libertarians with some disdain in their tone for the word. They then start talking about strict constructionism, limiting the government's responsibilities, and states' rights. Guys, I don't really know what else you could be.All they hear is LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL and Rush Limbaugh says that's wrong and evil.
Okay cool, now they're just talking about terrible anime. This is more tolerable.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 05, 2012, 01:35:13 pm
Not having drugs feels like my lover of five years has just left for my best friend, successfully sued me for my house, car, family, and dog, and then shot me in the gut.
When I hear dubstep, my jaw starts aching, and my teeth chatter, and I get a cold sweat. When I sit in a room with pastel purple paint on the walls (like, say, the one at Rehab) I get minor visual hallucinations. Driving at night is technicolor insanity you would not believe when all the lights leave temporary streaks across your vision.
Uncool? So you say. But it floats my boat pretty well.
Well, all these anecdotes about the long-term effects of hallucinogens have turned me away from them more than three mandatory school classes could. Congrats.
I feel that way when I hear dubstep already, though.
Good.
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 05, 2012, 02:39:28 pm
*probation officer stares coldly over Hans shoulder and nods slowly*Not having drugs feels like my lover of five years has just left for my best friend, successfully sued me for my house, car, family, and dog, and then shot me in the gut.
When I hear dubstep, my jaw starts aching, and my teeth chatter, and I get a cold sweat. When I sit in a room with pastel purple paint on the walls (like, say, the one at Rehab) I get minor visual hallucinations. Driving at night is technicolor insanity you would not believe when all the lights leave temporary streaks across your vision.
Uncool? So you say. But it floats my boat pretty well.
Well, all these anecdotes about the long-term effects of hallucinogens have turned me away from them more than three mandatory school classes could. Congrats.
I feel that way when I hear dubstep already, though.
Good.More for me!Drugs are bad.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 05, 2012, 11:11:07 pm
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 06, 2012, 04:40:31 am
Flashbacks aren't caused by taking acids, they are a naturally occurring thing in the human brain, that your brain will recall a deeply emotional event and emulate the feeling at random. It just so happens to be, that when this happens to people who have taken acid, it gives them a somewhat hallucinogenic experience, but the flashback itself can happen to anyone, even if they've never touched drugs.
Post by: Kedly on October 06, 2012, 04:47:48 am
I don't discuss drug use online
That seems random?
Post by: Aptus on October 06, 2012, 05:09:01 am
Post by: Hanslanda on October 06, 2012, 10:59:31 am
I don't discuss drug use online, but I wanted to correct something someone said earlier, or shed some light on it.
Flashbacks aren't caused by taking acids, they are a naturally occurring thing in the human brain, that your brain will recall a deeply emotional event and emulate the feeling at random. It just so happens to be, that when this happens to people who have taken acid, it gives them a somewhat hallucinogenic experience, but the flashback itself can happen to anyone, even if they've never touched drugs.
Ah. :) Thank you for correcting me. I'd never really noticed flashbacks until after I'd done acid, so I just kind of figured they were from the drug use.
Post by: SealyStar on October 06, 2012, 12:31:08 pm
I don't discuss drug use online, but I wanted to correct something someone said earlier, or shed some light on it.
Flashbacks aren't caused by taking acids, they are a naturally occurring thing in the human brain, that your brain will recall a deeply emotional event and emulate the feeling at random. It just so happens to be, that when this happens to people who have taken acid, it gives them a somewhat hallucinogenic experience, but the flashback itself can happen to anyone, even if they've never touched drugs.
Yeah, there are a variety of conditions that can "store" flashbacks and a variety of conditions to "access" them. Drugs are just a fairly common "storage" condition.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 06, 2012, 12:44:23 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 06, 2012, 12:52:10 pm
Well you're more likely to subconsciously bring up that time you were almost eaten by a 47 headed purple dragon than that time you sat down and ate a ham and cheese sandwich.
That is so not what it's like. :P But I'll let it go this time.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 06, 2012, 12:52:41 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 06, 2012, 01:04:15 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 06, 2012, 01:05:18 pm
Post by: ab00 on October 06, 2012, 01:33:01 pm
Post by: Graknorke on October 06, 2012, 01:45:15 pm
Nah, that only qualifies your horse as high.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ab00 on October 06, 2012, 01:46:26 pm
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 06, 2012, 04:42:15 pm
Zing! One point for Darkling. But mushrooms aren't like that either. Nor are the disassociants, like Datura or cough syrup. Mescaline? But I've never had that, so I can't comment on it.
You can have full on hallucinations like that from dissisociatives, maybe not datura or cough syrup, but DMT, Salvia, and Ketamine can all produce the kind of hallucinations where you see things (people, animals, dragons etc.) And they appear to be real.
Post by: Descan on October 06, 2012, 04:48:04 pm
Everyone else I've talked to who's tried it 'became' something else.
Whyyyyy?
(Also, is it a moratorium on drug talk at all on the forum? I'm pretty sure Salvia is legal. o-o)
Post by: Hanslanda on October 07, 2012, 01:19:01 am
Zing! One point for Darkling. But mushrooms aren't like that either. Nor are the disassociants, like Datura or cough syrup. Mescaline? But I've never had that, so I can't comment on it.
You can have full on hallucinations like that from dissisociatives, maybe not datura or cough syrup, but DMT, Salvia, and Ketamine can all produce the kind of hallucinations where you see things (people, animals, dragons etc.) And they appear to be real.
Hmm. I once smoked, like waaaay too much DMT. Like, you're supposed to take a couple hits, then not smoke it again for... Years. I smoked on a huge chunk of it for like six hours or so with nine of my friends, after I'd taken a bunch of acid.
Yeah, I don't recall seeing anything like that, but I've got some sort of unnatural tolerance for hallucinatory effects, which frustrates me to no end.
(Also, is it a moratorium on drug talk at all on the forum? I'm pretty sure Salvia is legal. o-o)
What do you mean? I can say whatever I want, I've been charged and am being punished for everything I've done. And Salvia is legal in some places.
Post by: Durin Stronginthearm on October 07, 2012, 05:42:03 am
A friend of mine once smoked DMT while on acid, and hallucinated that he was inside the episode of the Simpsons he was watching.
Post by: Yoink on October 07, 2012, 05:59:38 am
Quote from: A Facebook comment
just got health insurance... time to do something dumb :)
...Looking through facebook, sometimes I wonder how these people I used to know are still alive. :o
Post by: OREOSOME on October 07, 2012, 10:54:33 am
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/Zahru2/imad.jpg)
Post by: Hanslanda on October 07, 2012, 10:56:39 am
Months back this happened:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/Zahru2/imad.jpg)
...
Kill. Crush. Destroy.
I talked to a goddess once while on DMT. She gave me a carton of milk. WTF?
A friend of mine once smoked DMT while on acid, and hallucinated that he was inside the episode of the Simpsons he was watching.
o.O I want some of your DMT.
Post by: Tellemurius on October 07, 2012, 10:56:47 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 07, 2012, 10:57:04 am
Post by: Vorthon on October 07, 2012, 10:58:20 am
Months back this happened:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/Zahru2/imad.jpg)
I won't lie: I nearly threw up reading this.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 07, 2012, 10:58:58 am
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 07, 2012, 10:59:09 am
Fukushima and You: What The Government Is Putting in Your Playgrounds
Post by: Hanslanda on October 07, 2012, 11:05:42 am
Post by: mcclay on October 07, 2012, 11:28:00 am
Post by: Hanslanda on October 07, 2012, 11:38:04 am
I came into this thread to see poeple being idoits and instead I got people talking about halluncations...we are the best forums. I do kinda want to try a halluncatiory drug to see what my imangination can cook up but I don't think I will ever follow throught with that plan.
To be fair, there was a lot of people being idiots around page two through four.
Post by: Graknorke on October 07, 2012, 11:41:30 am
Months back this happened:Guis.
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/Zahru2/imad.jpg)
It's a joke.
Post by: mcclay on October 07, 2012, 11:49:01 am
This is a statment of massive hypocriscy from me but this joke is not funny at all. You shouldn't make fun of a tragedy like this.Months back this happened:Guis.
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/Zahru2/imad.jpg)
It's a joke.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on October 07, 2012, 01:14:00 pm
I think that it's not dubstep if it has a clearly defined tune abnd rhythm.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 07, 2012, 01:21:00 pm
Besides shit, what's the general definition of dubstep?Dead.
Post by: scriver on October 07, 2012, 01:32:59 pm
When I've tried Salvia, the world turned Mono-colour and abstractly patterned, but I felt like myself.
Everyone else I've talked to who's tried it 'became' something else.
Whyyyyy?
Because lots of people make things up to be interesting.
Post by: Descan on October 07, 2012, 01:38:20 pm
Post by: scriver on October 07, 2012, 01:41:30 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 07, 2012, 01:41:36 pm
Besides shit, what's the general definition of dubstep?Dubstep is robot T-Rexes having sex into a microphone, only auto tuned.
I think that it's not dubstep if it has a clearly defined tune abnd rhythm.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 07, 2012, 01:43:19 pm
I talked to a goddess once while on DMT. She gave me a carton of milk. WTF?
A friend of mine once smoked DMT while on acid, and hallucinated that he was inside the episode of the Simpsons he was watching.
How deep can we nest the hallucinogens? Nothing bad could possibly come from this.
Post by: Descan on October 07, 2012, 01:46:27 pm
They were your boyfriends, and you think they didn't lie to impress you? :P:P They aren't all that arrogant. I don't date arrogant guys. So I don't see why they'd feel the need to 'impress' me, especially when "becoming something else" isn't impressive, just a curiosity.
Post by: Graknorke on October 07, 2012, 01:47:21 pm
I think I know who we could ask. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9QisdRPwEM)I talked to a goddess once while on DMT. She gave me a carton of milk. WTF?
A friend of mine once smoked DMT while on acid, and hallucinated that he was inside the episode of the Simpsons he was watching.
How deep can we nest the hallucinogens? Nothing bad could possibly come from this.
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 07, 2012, 01:51:02 pm
By gods, what has happened to my thread :oI came into this thread to see poeple being idoits and instead I got people talking about halluncations...we are the best forums. I do kinda want to try a halluncatiory drug to see what my imangination can cook up but I don't think I will ever follow throught with that plan.
To be fair, there was a lot of people being idiots around page two through four.
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 07, 2012, 03:26:25 pm
Post by: Vorthon on October 07, 2012, 04:10:46 pm
I like breakcore.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 07, 2012, 04:25:18 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on October 07, 2012, 05:38:36 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 07, 2012, 05:39:44 pm
I should stop making LCS references any day now.
Post by: justinlee999 on October 08, 2012, 09:27:04 am
I decided to quote silly things in the Bible (foreskins save lives!), and they thought I was crazy, after all, the Bible wouldn't contain silly things. Right, right?
I decided to take this a little further and ask them "how many wise old men visited Jesus?" They answered "3". I asked them for their sources and they said they heard it in a Christmas song, and they asked if I was a Jehovah's Witness (ouch!).
But the actual stupid thing is this: I asked the girl "Do you believe in Darwin's theory of evolution?"
The reply [paraphrasing]: "No idea what's that, but if it's a Christian thing I believe in it"
"No, it's a scientific thing."
"Then no."
mfw.
(For the record, the same girl got the highest for Biology.)
Post by: Skyrunner on October 08, 2012, 09:47:27 am
Or book stupid. :/
Cases like that tend to make all Christians seem stupid and slaves to the Bible >.>
Post by: OREOSOME on October 08, 2012, 09:53:23 am
Also, this once happened to me,
"Blah blah, you support gays and non-christians, so GOD HATES YOU!"
"I thought in the bible it says that god loves everyone?"
"Your lying. God hates Muslims, Jews, and Fags."
*Shows her pretty much every passage in the bible that states that god loves all of his creations.*
"Um... "
Post by: Sheb on October 08, 2012, 09:58:28 am
Post by: Skyrunner on October 08, 2012, 09:59:45 am
And yet, the pope apparently agrees with the idea of evolution, albeit in a way that factors in god.I don't understand the "and yet" connection...
Also, this once happened to me,
"Blah blah, you support gays and non-christians, so GOD HATES YOU!"
"I thought in the bible it says that god loves everyone?"
"Your lying. God hates Muslims, Jews, and Fags."
*Shows her pretty much every passage in the bible that states that god loves all of his creations.*
"Um... "
Also, QED.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2012, 10:23:08 am
And yet, the pope apparently agrees with the idea of evolution, albeit in a way that factors in god.Try telling a Protestant that they should listen to the pope. :P
As I recall, the passages about the whole "Bronze-age goatherders code of morality" tend to get referenced much more heavily than the "be a good person" ones, especially when people are trying to justify bigotry.
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 08, 2012, 10:35:48 am
What the fuck ever happened to people playing guitars?They all went to my school, apparently :o
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2012, 10:42:05 am
Wait. People who can actually play guitar and do so because they enjoy it, or the sort of jackass that takes any excuse to grab their out-of-key acoustic guitar and start playing a song annoyingly bad, regardless of the setting or opinions of people around them?What the fuck ever happened to people playing guitars?They all went to my school, apparently :o
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 08, 2012, 10:44:51 am
And yet, the pope apparently agrees with the idea of evolution, albeit in a way that factors in god.Try telling a Protestant that they should listen to the pope. :P
(http://people.csail.mit.edu/paulfitz/spanish/tt3.jpg)
Post by: Darvi on October 08, 2012, 11:10:26 am
They call that academic stupid.Educated stupid?
Or book stupid. :/
Post by: Omegastick on October 08, 2012, 11:13:34 am
Post by: misko27 on October 08, 2012, 11:15:36 am
You people all know really stupid Christians. Let me tell you, the vast majority of Christians are educated, reasonable people that accept the theory of evolution.
I'm Christian. :o
Did not expect that.And yet, the pope apparently agrees with the idea of evolution, albeit in a way that factors in god.Try telling a Protestant that they should listen to the pope. :P
(http://people.csail.mit.edu/paulfitz/spanish/tt3.jpg)
Post by: kaijyuu on October 08, 2012, 11:17:24 am
You people all know really stupid Christians. Let me tell you, the vast majority of Christians are educated, reasonable people that accept the theory of evolution.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#Support_for_evolution_by_religious_bodies
Highest Christian denomination support for evolution is 58% (Catholic). That's a majority, but not a vast majority.
And let's not talk about the Jehova's Witnesses.
Post by: Graknorke on October 08, 2012, 11:19:46 am
You people all know really stupid Christians. Let me tell you, the vast majority of Christians are educated, reasonable people that accept the theory of evolution.I agree here, although, I did find this nice quote from a Macromeme image.
Quote
If all the atheists left the USA, it would lose 93% of the National Academy of Sciences but less than 1% of the prison population.
That's some pretty significant numbers there. Considering atheists are very much a minority in the USA AFAIK.
Post by: Omegastick on October 08, 2012, 11:29:44 am
That's just the Catholics, you're not including the large portion of protestants that accept evolution. EDIT: Sorry, didn't read your link. That is just a survey conducted in just the USA. There are many more creationist Christians in the USA than anywhere else in the world, I'd say most protestants outside the USA accept evolution.You people all know really stupid Christians. Let me tell you, the vast majority of Christians are educated, reasonable people that accept the theory of evolution.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#Support_for_evolution_by_religious_bodies
Highest Christian denomination support for evolution is 58% (Catholic). That's a majority, but not a vast majority.
And let's not talk about the Jehova's Witnesses.
Sorry if my sarcasm detector isn't working, but I highlighted the important part of that post.You people all know really stupid Christians. Let me tell you, the vast majority of Christians are educated, reasonable people that accept the theory of evolution.I agree here, although, I did find this nice quote from a Macromeme image.QuoteIf all the atheists left the USA, it would lose 93% of the National Academy of Sciences but less than 1% of the prison population.
That's some pretty significant numbers there. Considering atheists are very much a minority in the USA AFAIK.
A macromeme image doesn't count as a reliable source, I'm afraid.
Post by: misko27 on October 08, 2012, 11:32:14 am
Thats, depressing. Especially considering the pope supports evolution, and the entire point of Catholicism is LISTENING TO THE POPE.You people all know really stupid Christians. Let me tell you, the vast majority of Christians are educated, reasonable people that accept the theory of evolution.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#Support_for_evolution_by_religious_bodies
Highest Christian denomination support for evolution is 58% (Catholic). That's a majority, but not a vast majority.
And let's not talk about the Jehova's Witnesses.
Oh yeah, Orthodox takes second place for chrisitians!
Post by: Hanslanda on October 08, 2012, 11:32:45 am
You people all know really stupid Christians. Let me tell you, the vast majority of Christians are educated, reasonable people that accept the theory of evolution.
I'm Christian. :o
Misko is none of these things. Educated, reasonable, or a human person. :P
Post by: kaijyuu on October 08, 2012, 11:33:23 am
That is just a survey conducted in just the USA. There are many more creationist Christians in the USA than anywhere else in the world, I'd say most protestants outside the USA accept evolution.Hrm, yes and no. Europe would have much more reasonable numbers. Africa... no.
But yeah the original statistic was just the US.
Post by: misko27 on October 08, 2012, 11:37:11 am
Well, China has a billion people, and is largely atheist, with traditionalist and confucianist. India has a billion, and is, shockinglu, largely composed of Hindus and Buddhists, which support the concept whole-Heartedly. I can see why though, makes alot of sense in their world-view.That is just a survey conducted in just the USA. There are many more creationist Christians in the USA than anywhere else in the world, I'd say most protestants outside the USA accept evolution.Hrm, yes and no. Europe would have much more reasonable numbers. Africa... no.
But yeah the original statistic was just the US.
Post by: Darvi on October 08, 2012, 11:40:38 am
Misko is none of these things. Educated, reasonable, or a human person. :POfficially I'm a catholic, even though practically I'm anything but. Do I qualify for non-personitude?
Post by: Yoink on October 08, 2012, 11:54:53 am
Post by: kaijyuu on October 08, 2012, 12:04:48 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 08, 2012, 12:07:19 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 08, 2012, 12:08:46 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 08, 2012, 12:09:26 pm
Aaaand away from the religion thing, apparently my brother thinks cheese is a mineral.Must... Resist... Modding.
Post by: Yoink on October 08, 2012, 12:12:51 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 12:34:18 pm
"Blah blah, you support gays and non-christians, so GOD HATES YOU!"I've developed a healthy respect for many religious people. Some of their beliefs are literally so hard to uphold in the face of scrutiny that it takes serious bravery to defend them... Against reality. Do I disagree with it? Yes, but it's still a hard feat to achieve.
Post by: Tellemurius on October 08, 2012, 12:35:32 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 08, 2012, 12:38:14 pm
Nobody does.(http://people.csail.mit.edu/paulfitz/spanish/tt3.jpg)Did not expect that.
Post by: Darvi on October 08, 2012, 12:38:38 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 08, 2012, 12:41:19 pm
Misko is none of these things. Educated, reasonable, or a human person. :POfficially I'm a catholic, even though practically I'm anything but. Do I qualify for non-personitude?
Well, I'm fairly sure you're actually human. The whole religion thing has nothing to do with Misko being human or not.
"Blah blah, you support gays and non-christians, so GOD HATES YOU!"I've developed a healthy respect for many religious people. Some of their beliefs are literally so hard to uphold in the face of scrutiny that it takes serious bravery to defend them... Against reality. Do I disagree with it? Yes, but it's still a hard feat to achieve.
This. It's pretty impressive sometimes. They're like, "Everything in the bible is amazing and the word of god."
And I'm like, "Even that part in Dueteronomy where they talk about making food with human dung?"
And they're like, "Ssssh. That was a metaphor."
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 08, 2012, 12:47:05 pm
Woah the pope supports the idea of evolution? damn i didn't know that and im catholic.....The Pope does lot of things.
Also, you have to watch out for those numbers. For example, the believe in Evolution thingy is for the US only, and the US not a representative for the world.
The macromeme quote is a macromeme quote.
Quote
The bad thing about internet quotes is that you can never be sure that it is correct, or that the person in question actually said that.To continue, most of the shooling system in Europe is Religously inspired. (Meaning you have a mass at the beginning of the year, and one at the end. And crosses everywhere, but that's because the buildings quite old.)
-Abraham Lincon
To be fair, human dung was used to cook food in those days. Or maybe the Bible was just ahead on ecologism."Blah blah, you support gays and non-christians, so GOD HATES YOU!"I've developed a healthy respect for many religious people. Some of their beliefs are literally so hard to uphold in the face of scrutiny that it takes serious bravery to defend them... Against reality. Do I disagree with it? Yes, but it's still a hard feat to achieve.
This. It's pretty impressive sometimes. They're like, "Everything in the bible is amazing and the word of god."
And I'm like, "Even that part in Dueteronomy where they talk about making food with human dung?"
And they're like, "Ssssh. That was a metaphor."
Anyway, the Bible is composed of 2000 years of mistranslations, manipulations, errors and intrepretations of a text which was probably cryptic in the first place.
Christianity is not the Bible, it's but a mere intrepretation of it. (Actually it's more or less than that).^
As for listening to the Pope, it's not mandatory. We don't live in a theocrazy anymore.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 08, 2012, 12:51:05 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 08, 2012, 12:51:47 pm
There's also the bit where you should be stoned to death for wearing mixed fibres, or eating seafood. Right above where it says you should kill gays.I KNEW IT. SEAFOOD IS EVIL.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 12:53:48 pm
There's also the bit where you should be stoned to death for wearing mixed fibres, or eating seafood. Right above where it says you should kill gays.-Whereas they would point out do not murder, love thy neighbour and so on. It takes serious dedication.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 08, 2012, 12:55:09 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 08, 2012, 01:02:14 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 08, 2012, 01:07:17 pm
Yeah the lack of "disregard anything I said previously" was a serious oversight on the author's part.
Like the episode of Exterminatus Now where the god visits the demagogue, and starts ripping pages out of the holy book like, "I didn't say that. That was some other guy. I was in a wierd mood that century... That's a translation error... I have no idea what I meant by this. Didn't you get those prophets I sent?"
"Uh, we had them burned alive as heretics..."
"Awwwkward..."
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 08, 2012, 01:22:32 pm
basically every Christian that has threatened me with hell unless I stop being atheist and become Christian.
this sums up my reaction:Quote from: Josh ThomasAs an atheist, having a Christian threaten me with hell is like having a hippy threaten to punch me in my aura.
Hell and Heaven aren't even supposed to be relevant in modern Christianity (NT retcon).
Post by: misko27 on October 08, 2012, 01:37:25 pm
ehh, I try to follow dantes views. He seems to understand some stuff.basically every Christian that has threatened me with hell unless I stop being atheist and become Christian.
this sums up my reaction:Quote from: Josh ThomasAs an atheist, having a Christian threaten me with hell is like having a hippy threaten to punch me in my aura.
Hell and Heaven aren't even supposed to be relevant in modern Christianity (NT retcon).
Besides, there are some important things in the old Testament. Like the whole thing about about the nature of evil.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 08, 2012, 01:39:17 pm
basically every Christian that has threatened me with hell unless I stop being atheist and become Christian.
this sums up my reaction:Quote from: Josh ThomasAs an atheist, having a Christian threaten me with hell is like having a hippy threaten to punch me in my aura.
Hell and Heaven aren't even supposed to be relevant in modern Christianity (NT retcon).
As Stephen Colbert expertly put it, heaven is the state of having god. Hell is not having god. Their states of being you inflict on yourself, not places.
Post by: tomio175 on October 08, 2012, 01:42:39 pm
So, why did we need our liver again?
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 01:46:44 pm
(During biology class)He he he, that reminds me. Today my devilish friend and I told our less knowledgeable friend that babies subsist on nitroglycerin, sentax and cordite passed from the mother to the baby through the umbilical cord, and that the reason why the mother and child cannot share the same blood stream is that the oxygen from the mother would react with the nitroglycerin and combust.
So, why did we need our liver again?
Still waiting to see if he's figured it out yet.
Post by: andrea on October 08, 2012, 01:50:12 pm
but still, presented as you did, it may be a legitimate question.
( I am assuming the lesson was about liver)
if you don't understand something in class, asking is the least stupid thing you can do. liver does a lot of things. I can't even recall all of them right now, so I would be tempted to ask why we need it(meaning, what is its function).
context may change everything, however.
(note: I do know plenty of reasons for why a liver is important, I just am sure that I am overlooking some apparently minor ones)
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2012, 01:51:17 pm
mostly, to live.
Well, duh. Why else would it be called the liver?
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 02:09:40 pm
I can't even recall all of them right now, so I would be tempted to ask why we need it(meaning, what is its function).
YAY
SCIENCE SHIFT KEY TIME
THE LIVER PRODUCES BILE, WHICH EMULSIFIES FOODS FOR MORE EASY DIGESTION, AS THE LARGER SURFACE AREA RESULTING FROM THIS INCREASES THE RATE OF REACTION OF THE ENZYMES WHICH ACT UPON THE FOOD.
THE BILE ALSO SERVES AS AN NEUTRALIZER TO STOMACH ACIDS - AT IT IS ALSO ALKALINE. IT'S AWESOME LIKE THAT.
ALSO ALL ABOUT THAT GLYCOGEN RELEASE. THE LIVER STORES A LOT OF YOUR EXCESS SUGARS. IF YOU'RE HUNGRY AND SUFFICIENTLY STOCKED UP ON NUTRITION - YOUR LIVER WILL BE THE BEST BRO EVER AND GIVE YOUR BODY A CRAP TON OF GLUCOSE TO GET YOU ALL HYPED UP. IF YOUR BLOOD SUGAR LEVELS ARE TOO HIGH, IT WILL BE BEST BRO AND TAKE EXCESS SUGARS.
LIVER IS BEST BRO. BREAKS DOWN HORMONES TOO, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TOO MANY. IT ALSO MAKES SOME IN CASE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. GOOD IDEA LIVER, ESPECIALLY FOR THINGS LIKE INSULIN.
LIVER BRO ALSO HATES TOXINS IN YOUR BODY. LIVER BRO LIKES YOU, SO PLEASE MAKE LIVER BRO'S LIFE EASIER.
DON'T DO DRUGS KIDS, OR LIVER BRO WILL DIE.
IT ALSO IS VERY GOOD AT PRODUCING THE ENZYMES TO DIGEST CARBOHYDRATES. THESE SUGARS GET STORED IN LIVER/TURNED INTO PROTEINS AND STUFF.
LIVER COOL ORGAN. ALSO STORES VITAMINS AND THINGS, SUCH AS COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF VITAMIN D3. EVEN WHEN IT IS NOT SUNNY DAY, LIVER BRO IS THERE TO MAKE IT SUNNY FOR YOU.
FUCK YEAH LIVER SCIENCE
Post by: andrea on October 08, 2012, 02:31:44 pm
(well, not sure if I already knew one, and the other I could have imagined. but still, it is good to learn and refresh knowledge).
see? asking questions is not bad.
there are (almost) no stupid questions.
stupid answers, however, are plenty. sadly. :(
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 04:58:50 pm
Someone please send this guy a physics textbook >_>
Post by: Reelya on October 08, 2012, 05:03:57 pm
Post by: Wrex on October 08, 2012, 05:07:12 pm
ehh, I try to follow dantes views. He seems to understand some stuff.basically every Christian that has threatened me with hell unless I stop being atheist and become Christian.
this sums up my reaction:Quote from: Josh ThomasAs an atheist, having a Christian threaten me with hell is like having a hippy threaten to punch me in my aura.
Hell and Heaven aren't even supposed to be relevant in modern Christianity (NT retcon).
Besides, there are some important things in the old Testament. Like the whole thing about about the nature of evil.
Dante made it all up.
Post by: Darvi on October 08, 2012, 05:08:07 pm
Post by: Sirus on October 08, 2012, 05:20:28 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2012, 05:23:51 pm
So apparently PETA made a Pokemon game... (http://features.peta.org/pokemon-black-and-white-parody/)This is relevant to my interests.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 08, 2012, 05:25:19 pm
Post by: Wrex on October 08, 2012, 05:27:01 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 08, 2012, 05:27:27 pm
So apparently PETA made a Pokemon game... (http://features.peta.org/pokemon-black-and-white-parody/)I thought it was pretty funny. Then I got the first video and realized they were serious.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2012, 05:29:07 pm
Post by: Sirus on October 08, 2012, 05:30:30 pm
In PETA's world, they are!So apparently PETA made a Pokemon game... (http://features.peta.org/pokemon-black-and-white-parody/)yes, because all farm and pet owners are drunkards wielding baseball bats.
I thought it was pretty stupid, however, that Nurse Joy didn't bother to heal your team <_<;
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2012, 05:33:38 pm
Perhaps the person/people who made the game was/were throwing in a little hint about even the PETA people not really caring about the animals as much as the chance to be self-important radicals. :PIn PETA's world, they are!So apparently PETA made a Pokemon game... (http://features.peta.org/pokemon-black-and-white-parody/)yes, because all farm and pet owners are drunkards wielding baseball bats.
I thought it was pretty stupid, however, that Nurse Joy didn't bother to heal your team <_<;
Post by: Wrex on October 08, 2012, 05:34:06 pm
Post by: Vorthon on October 08, 2012, 05:35:55 pm
...
The world which the Pokemon series takes place on is about to be overwhelmed be Tyranids!!!!!!!!one!!!!!1oneoneone!
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 05:36:14 pm
So apparently PETA made a Pokemon game... (http://features.peta.org/pokemon-black-and-white-parody/)Wtf, I tried to kill the trainer and now Pikachu is lecturing her. BE MORE VIOLENT IMPUDENT ANIMAL
*Shakes fist*
Also named all of my pokemon Eatmeatlol. So it would always say, Go! Eatmeatlol!
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2012, 05:37:00 pm
Post by: Wrex on October 08, 2012, 05:37:29 pm
I wonder how PETA would justify the existence of Tyranids.
They would probably already be eaten.
Post by: Xantalos on October 08, 2012, 05:41:59 pm
Ayup (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfDante).Goddamit, Darvi.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 05:42:16 pm
Deliciously. Also, I'm ignoring what's inside all the chests. No spoilers!
Post by: Wrex on October 08, 2012, 05:44:34 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2012, 05:45:14 pm
You're going out into the wilderness, disturbing animals, forcing your pets to beat them nearly to death, and then trapping them in pocket dimensions until you need them to kill another person's pets.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 05:48:09 pm
Now I sort of want to play a legit Pokemon game with this premise, minus all the propaganda. Because if we're going to be honest, they are fantasy cockfight simulators after you strip out all the crap about love, loyalty, teamwork, etc.Though I do admit, I like the PETA ash more. That guy's armed.
You're going out into the wilderness, disturbing animals, forcing your pets to beat them nearly to death, and then trapping them in pocket dimensions until you need them to kill another person's pets.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2012, 05:50:20 pm
Hey, it's just because they got the canon wrong. A cruise on an ocean liner is free, while a bicycle is $1m. Therefore, nuclear weapons are free but a switchblade costs all the money in the world.Now I sort of want to play a legit Pokemon game with this premise, minus all the propaganda. Because if we're going to be honest, they are fantasy cockfight simulators after you strip out all the crap about love, loyalty, teamwork, etc.Though I do admit, I like the PETA ash more. That guy's armed.
You're going out into the wilderness, disturbing animals, forcing your pets to beat them nearly to death, and then trapping them in pocket dimensions until you need them to kill another person's pets.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 05:54:01 pm
Hey, it's just because they got the canon wrong. A cruise on an ocean liner is free, while a bicycle is $1m. Therefore, nuclear weapons are free but a switchblade costs all the money in the world.Dolla dolla get a baller
Though seriously, I did at some point fully expect Ash to start eating baby pokemon sandwiches or something. Though Peta does have a point, pokemon slaughter would make a profitable and tasty venture. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=71885.msg3563806#msg3563806)
Post by: misko27 on October 08, 2012, 06:00:25 pm
suddenly, PETA tries to target B12 forums with a PETA version of DF.I demand this mod.
PETA rapidly collapses due to insanity caused by them tying to rework dwarf fortress. we all know cthulhu guards the code.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 06:09:46 pm
Hang on, wouldn't that just be a normal Dwarf Fortress attempting to free the world's animals from slavery to the Elves?
Post by: Sirus on October 08, 2012, 06:10:34 pm
Hmmm.... PETA Fortress....So, normal Dwarf Fortress.
Hang on, wouldn't that just be a normal Dwarf Fortress attempting to free the world's animals from slavery to the Elves?
Post by: mcclay on October 08, 2012, 06:37:17 pm
Post by: Sirus on October 08, 2012, 06:38:01 pm
Wait? was the PETA pokeman game serious? If so then I have lost quite a lot of faith in humanity.Well, PETA probably takes it seriously. Whether anyone else does is up for debate.
Post by: Wrex on October 08, 2012, 06:38:10 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 08, 2012, 06:39:17 pm
So to answer if it's serious, yes and no. Yes it's propaganda, no they're not expecting to convert everyone who plays their game.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 08, 2012, 06:42:42 pm
PETA's self aware, but unashamed of their propaganda.Eh, they still raise awareness I guess, so that's a plus for them.
So to answer if it's serious, yes and no. Yes it's propaganda, no they're not expecting to convert everyone who plays their game.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 08, 2012, 06:44:35 pm
Post by: Sirus on October 08, 2012, 06:54:32 pm
Pretty much. And I can't really think of a better way to go about it.Perhaps not making the assumption that every pet owner is an immoral jerkass who beats animals with a baseball bat?
Post by: Xantalos on October 08, 2012, 07:04:58 pm
Pretty much. And I can't really think of a better way to go about it.Perhaps not making the assumption that every pet owner is an immoral jerkass who beats animals with a baseball bat?
Post by: Graknorke on October 08, 2012, 07:08:50 pm
Well, in this case it is, but it's because this is a society where there is a large portion of society whose career revolves around getting animals and having them fight to the (almost) death. Plus it's funny.
Post by: Wrex on October 08, 2012, 07:10:17 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 08, 2012, 07:12:31 pm
Post by: Wrex on October 08, 2012, 07:16:45 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 08, 2012, 07:17:56 pm
But it's not every pet owner.This. Plus, you know, hyperbole, satire, all that.
Well, in this case it is, but it's because this is a society where there is a large portion of society whose career revolves around getting animals and having them fight to the (almost) death. Plus it's funny.
Post by: Wrex on October 08, 2012, 07:18:50 pm
Fun fact: Unova is supposed to be America in the same way the other regions are japan. WHich means Lt. Surge is from there. Fuck yeah, Lt. Surge, killing people with magnemites.magnemites: how do they fucking work?
By eating the souls of orphans.
Post by: OREOSOME on October 08, 2012, 07:23:28 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 08, 2012, 08:16:55 pm
Post by: Wrex on October 08, 2012, 08:17:40 pm
So everyone. It turns out PETA isn't so bad. [img=http://www.peta2.com/BreastsNotAnimalTests/game.asp]http://They have a game about clicking breasts on that site.[/img]
Weakmindedness, thy name is man.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 08, 2012, 08:21:24 pm
Post by: Oliolli on October 09, 2012, 09:34:09 am
he has a theory that the earth was once ruled by penguins, before being beaten back by polar bears. the ice age ended, and the polar bears retreated to the arctic, then humans took over from there.
the penguins are biding their time.
their first emergence appears to have been on these forums.
That explains the penguin army at the Bay 12 Member map...
Post by: Yoink on October 09, 2012, 09:58:28 am
Admittedly I don't know all that much about them, but here they are raising their point in such a way as to make it relevant to people who usually wouldn't think twice about such things. The very fact that we've devoted several pages to it here means they must be doing something right. Imagine how it will affect some average Joe in his pickup truck with a shedful of poorly-treated dogs back at his house. Who knows, it might actually inspire thought!
...And besides that it was kinda funny. Win-win, right? ;D
Post by: MaximumZero on October 09, 2012, 10:06:25 am
I don't see why you guys are all (mostly) dissing PETA. :-\Most of the time we hear about them, they've been either incredibly hypocritical, posting frivolous lawsuits, or someone has said something that's getting them knee-deep. PETA, if they had any more power or gained access to weapons, would be an extremist group. That's just the kind of mindset they have.
Admittedly I don't know all that much about them, but here they are raising their point in such a way as to make it relevant to people who usually wouldn't think twice about such things. The very fact that we've devoted several pages to it here means they must be doing something right. Imagine how it will affect some average Joe in his pickup truck with a shedful of poorly-treated dogs back at his house. Who knows, it might actually inspire thought!
...And besides that it was kinda funny. Win-win, right? ;D
They're like a real life Liberal Crime Squad.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 09, 2012, 10:09:04 am
Post by: Yoink on October 09, 2012, 10:11:49 am
Post by: RedKing on October 09, 2012, 10:15:34 am
When caught, their justification was that any animal would be better off dead than suffering the "indignity" of servitude and captivity. Admittedly, their local PETA chapter disavowed these two, but they'd have been idiots not to, considering that they had death threats against them almost immediately.
Post by: Yoink on October 09, 2012, 10:18:51 am
Jeez. :-\ I don't know if the rest of PETA is anything like that, but I don't exactly hear any good things about them.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 09, 2012, 10:32:21 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 09, 2012, 10:35:05 am
Post by: kääpiö on October 09, 2012, 01:37:20 pm
(In english class they debated about that for 5 minutes)
Post by: Darvi on October 09, 2012, 01:59:19 pm
I'm pretty sure that most of the non-crazies are in groups that don't have a reputation for being crazy.I'm pretty sure the non-crazies either have left the organization or just stayed because they like being "undercover".
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 09, 2012, 02:26:47 pm
Where is Mt. Everest? Is it in the Alps?Saw a kid spend five minutes trying to find Russia.
(In english class they debated about that for 5 minutes)
It was a map of the Americas.
Post by: SealyStar on October 09, 2012, 02:29:11 pm
geography failure.
we all know they're in the Rockies! :P
Lies, Mt. Everests are all in the Appalachians! Why would people in Chie-nah name their mountain some Amurrican name?
Post by: OREOSOME on October 09, 2012, 02:29:54 pm
Where is Mt. Everest? Is it in the Alps?Saw a kid spend five minutes trying to find Russia.
(In english class they debated about that for 5 minutes)
It was a map of the Americas.
A Quote from another of my classmates:
Quote
...Liberty? You mean as in the statue of Liberty?
My teacher was teaching the very beginning of american history, including John Locke.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 09, 2012, 02:30:28 pm
Dedication.Where is Mt. Everest? Is it in the Alps?Saw a kid spend five minutes trying to find Russia.
(In english class they debated about that for 5 minutes)
It was a map of the Americas.
Post by: RedKing on October 09, 2012, 02:31:45 pm
There were entirely too many people who bought it. >_<
IIRC, he was somewhere in Texas, which explains it to some degree.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 09, 2012, 02:34:46 pm
I remember an Australian comedian who went to the US, pretending to be the Australian PM, and thanking Americans for their support in defending South Korea. He had with him a map of Australia, with Australia proper labeled "North Korea" and Tasmania labeled "South Korea"."I didn't realize just how much larger North Korea was than South Korea."
Didn't he also give them a lil' flag to plant down on where they thought Murrica should invade next?
*He had flags placed on "North Korea, Iran" and so forth to make it look like previous murricans had made the decision, so mob behaviour kicked in and any doubts they would've had of the map would've been expunged.
Post by: RedKing on October 09, 2012, 02:57:01 pm
Yup, that's the one. I facepalmed through the back of my head at that point.I remember an Australian comedian who went to the US, pretending to be the Australian PM, and thanking Americans for their support in defending South Korea. He had with him a map of Australia, with Australia proper labeled "North Korea" and Tasmania labeled "South Korea"."I didn't realize just how much larger North Korea was than South Korea."
Post by: tomio175 on October 09, 2012, 03:35:41 pm
Link please?Yup, that's the one. I facepalmed through the back of my head at that point.I remember an Australian comedian who went to the US, pretending to be the Australian PM, and thanking Americans for their support in defending South Korea. He had with him a map of Australia, with Australia proper labeled "North Korea" and Tasmania labeled "South Korea"."I didn't realize just how much larger North Korea was than South Korea."
To remain on topic: During german class, some guy stood up and walked out of the classroom. He wasn't a part of our class, and at least half of the class was surprised he was there. The teacher wouldn't even have noticed if he hadn't said: Wait a minute, this isn't my class... As he stood up and left.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 09, 2012, 03:36:59 pm
I could see myself doing that.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 09, 2012, 03:39:11 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 09, 2012, 03:46:23 pm
Sometimes on purpose, like I go in on my day off and sit in a random classroom until the lecturer tells me to leave.
Post by: Darvi on October 09, 2012, 03:47:07 pm
Man the Scott Pilgrim shoutouts are flying low lately.
I do that all the time.Heh. I sometimes just sit next to a classroom door where I don't have any lectures, do stuff on my laptop, and then I leave, just to make the people standing nearby go "WTF".
Sometimes on purpose, like I go in on my day off and sit in a random classroom until the lecturer tells me to leave.
Post by: RedKing on October 09, 2012, 04:02:27 pm
Can't find one at the moment...pretty sure it was CNNNN's Julian Morrow, pretending to be John Howard. You'd think that would be enough to find a clip, but no luck so far.Link please?Yup, that's the one. I facepalmed through the back of my head at that point.I remember an Australian comedian who went to the US, pretending to be the Australian PM, and thanking Americans for their support in defending South Korea. He had with him a map of Australia, with Australia proper labeled "North Korea" and Tasmania labeled "South Korea"."I didn't realize just how much larger North Korea was than South Korea."
EDIT: Found it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuKMtLOKG8k) May your face bear the strikes of a thousand palms of shame, as mine did.
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 09, 2012, 05:23:07 pm
it's just because they got the canon wrong. A cruise on an ocean liner is free, while a bicycle is $1m. Therefore, nuclear weapons are free but a switchblade costs all the money in the world.
this is my dumb quote for the day.
The cruise would obviously cost more than the bike, but since they don't show you the price of the cruise, people assume it's a free cruise, just because you're given a ticket for the cruise for free, doesn't make the cruise free, if you want to say that, they you have to say the bike was also free, as you were also given a ticket for a bike.
also, this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzvm7zd4Z-s
Quote from: paraphrased from linked youtube video
I'm voting for Romney because he's hot, and because my kittens name is mittens, and I call him Mitt for short, and that must be a sign as to why I should vote for romney, also, mitt rhymes with tit, and I have two of those.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 09, 2012, 05:53:59 pm
it's just because they got the canon wrong. A cruise on an ocean liner is free, while a bicycle is $1m. Therefore, nuclear weapons are free but a switchblade costs all the money in the world.
this is my dumb quote for the day.
The cruise would obviously cost more than the bike, but since they don't show you the price of the cruise, people assume it's a free cruise, just because you're given a ticket for the cruise for free, doesn't make the cruise free, if you want to say that, they you have to say the bike was also free, as you were also given a ticket for a bike.
I'm honestly sort of divided: I can't decide if it's stranger that you care this much about people being factually correct when lovingly mocking an old series, or that you apparently believe that you're the only one who has already realized that. We already know that; the whole "cruise is free" thing is being played for laughs.
That aside, I seem to recall much earlier an agreement to not post quotes from B12 because of the potential for flaming. But yeah, assuming that you're the only person with any sort of depth of thought isn't the best way to approach things.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 09, 2012, 08:17:45 pm
it's just because they got the canon wrong. A cruise on an ocean liner is free, while a bicycle is $1m. Therefore, nuclear weapons are free but a switchblade costs all the money in the world.
this is my dumb quote for the day.
The cruise would obviously cost more than the bike, but since they don't show you the price of the cruise, people assume it's a free cruise, just because you're given a ticket for the cruise for free, doesn't make the cruise free, if you want to say that, they you have to say the bike was also free, as you were also given a ticket for a bike.
I'm honestly sort of divided: I can't decide if it's stranger that you care this much about people being factually correct when lovingly mocking an old series, or that you apparently believe that you're the only one who has already realized that. We already know that; the whole "cruise is free" thing is being played for laughs.
That aside, I seem to recall much earlier an agreement to not post quotes from B12 because of the potential for flaming. But yeah, assuming that you're the only person with any sort of depth of thought isn't the best way to approach things.
Wouldn't the currency be more closely related to the Japanese yen anyway? It is a Japanese game. 1 yen is about the same as 1 US cent give or take a bit. The bike's actually only about 10k, which is still really friggin' expensive, but it's at least a little more sane.
It also makes a bit more sense that a 10-year old would be starting out on their quest with about 30 bucks rather than $3000.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 09, 2012, 08:56:32 pm
it's just because they got the canon wrong. A cruise on an ocean liner is free, while a bicycle is $1m. Therefore, nuclear weapons are free but a switchblade costs all the money in the world.
this is my dumb quote for the day.
The cruise would obviously cost more than the bike, but since they don't show you the price of the cruise, people assume it's a free cruise, just because you're given a ticket for the cruise for free, doesn't make the cruise free, if you want to say that, they you have to say the bike was also free, as you were also given a ticket for a bike.
I'm honestly sort of divided: I can't decide if it's stranger that you care this much about people being factually correct when lovingly mocking an old series, or that you apparently believe that you're the only one who has already realized that. We already know that; the whole "cruise is free" thing is being played for laughs.
That aside, I seem to recall much earlier an agreement to not post quotes from B12 because of the potential for flaming. But yeah, assuming that you're the only person with any sort of depth of thought isn't the best way to approach things.
Wouldn't the currency be more closely related to the Japanese yen anyway? It is a Japanese game. 1 yen is about the same as 1 US cent give or take a bit. The bike's actually only about 10k, which is still really friggin' expensive, but it's at least a little more sane.
It also makes a bit more sense that a 10-year old would be starting out on their quest with about 30 bucks rather than $3000.
Yeah, it's pretty much an expy of yen.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on October 09, 2012, 10:31:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzvm7zd4Z-sThis cannot be real.Quote from: paraphrased from linked youtube videoI'm voting for Romney because he's hot, and because my kittens name is mittens, and I call him Mitt for short, and that must be a sign as to why I should vote for romney, also, mitt rhymes with tit, and I have two of those.
Clearly of the options Obama's hotter. Come on now, I'm a straight guy & I can see that.
Though seriously, there are much worse quotes from that video.
Quote
I'm not going to vote for Obama, because he'll take away my right to be catholic. Which he basically already has and it's turning into a tyranny, like socialism.I just can't... You know what? Let's just leave it at that.
Post by: misko27 on October 09, 2012, 10:36:48 pm
...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzvm7zd4Z-sThis cannot be real.Quote from: paraphrased from linked youtube videoI'm voting for Romney because he's hot, and because my kittens name is mittens, and I call him Mitt for short, and that must be a sign as to why I should vote for romney, also, mitt rhymes with tit, and I have two of those.
Clearly of the options Obama's hotter. come on now, I'm a straight guy & I can see that.
Though seriously, there are much worse quotes from that video.QuoteI'm not going to vote for Obama, because he'll take away my right to be catholic. Which he basically already has and it's turning into a tyranny, like socialism.I just can't... You know what? Let's just leave it at that.
I continually fail ot see the benefits of this thing called "democracy".
Did you know a majority of polled republican Ohio voters thought Mitt Romney was the one most tocredit for the Killing of Osama Bin Laden?
Post by: Hanslanda on October 09, 2012, 10:48:17 pm
...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzvm7zd4Z-sThis cannot be real.Quote from: paraphrased from linked youtube videoI'm voting for Romney because he's hot, and because my kittens name is mittens, and I call him Mitt for short, and that must be a sign as to why I should vote for romney, also, mitt rhymes with tit, and I have two of those.
Clearly of the options Obama's hotter. come on now, I'm a straight guy & I can see that.
Though seriously, there are much worse quotes from that video.QuoteI'm not going to vote for Obama, because he'll take away my right to be catholic. Which he basically already has and it's turning into a tyranny, like socialism.I just can't... You know what? Let's just leave it at that.
I continually fail ot see the benefits of this thing called "democracy".
Did you know a majority of polled republican Ohio voters thought Mitt Romney was the one most tocredit for the Killing of Osama Bin Laden?
Democracy is a lie anyway. Preparing for flaming in three, two, one...
Post by: MaximumZero on October 09, 2012, 10:49:40 pm
Hooray, Electoral College!...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzvm7zd4Z-sThis cannot be real.Quote from: paraphrased from linked youtube videoI'm voting for Romney because he's hot, and because my kittens name is mittens, and I call him Mitt for short, and that must be a sign as to why I should vote for romney, also, mitt rhymes with tit, and I have two of those.
Clearly of the options Obama's hotter. come on now, I'm a straight guy & I can see that.
Though seriously, there are much worse quotes from that video.QuoteI'm not going to vote for Obama, because he'll take away my right to be catholic. Which he basically already has and it's turning into a tyranny, like socialism.I just can't... You know what? Let's just leave it at that.
I continually fail ot see the benefits of this thing called "democracy".
Did you know a majority of polled republican Ohio voters thought Mitt Romney was the one most tocredit for the Killing of Osama Bin Laden?
Democracy is a lie anyway. Preparing for flaming in three, two, one...
Post by: Hanslanda on October 09, 2012, 10:50:51 pm
Yeah. "He got ninety percent of the popular vote, but these old white guys voted for the douche everyone hates, so yay democracy."
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 09, 2012, 11:42:05 pm
Post by: Hunger on October 09, 2012, 11:45:15 pm
That is all.
Post by: misko27 on October 10, 2012, 12:02:50 am
Let me break it down.
Instead of the Country itself being a single "unit" which I will now refer to as Elects. In this system every vote woud be fighting to over turn the entire elect which represents a country.
In our system, your fighting to wina much smalled elect, a county. If a majority of counties win a state, the larger elect is turned, which, in turn, fights to overturn another elect, the country, This is a little lopsided here, because the electoral college clances by population, so thode island has fewer votes then New York.
Now, regarding being able to lose the popular vote but win the election. It is a matter of elects, again. Every signle elect is worth the same, the bare minimun. Thats why they all have the same number of voters. But picture this, a county that is 100% Democrat, and a county that is 51% democrat, have the exact equal number of votes. You can see where I'm going here. All you need is the minumum you need to win, and force the opponent into wining places it was obvious he'd win. In Extreme circumstances, this may decide elections.
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 10, 2012, 12:37:48 am
this is a flawed system, because if there is nothing stopping a electoral college elect from voting against what the people from their state/county voted for, even though they have sworn to do so. Imagine if all members of the electoral college did this one election, yes it's not likely to happen, but it could.
Post by: Xantalos on October 10, 2012, 01:33:39 am
Post by: misko27 on October 10, 2012, 01:41:22 am
Apparently someone on YouTube blamed Tim Burton for high divorce rates.Then I demand credit for all bacon related physical injuries. No diabetes mind you, just good old fashioned bacon crushing limbs action.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on October 10, 2012, 06:03:53 am
Apparently someone on YouTube blamed Tim Burton for high divorce rates.So, how does that work? Is just he going around marrying then divorcing himself to folks for the sole purpose of increasing divorce rates. Because if that's not how he's doing it then I'll be pretty disappointed.
Post by: scriver on October 10, 2012, 06:08:21 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 10, 2012, 07:17:32 am
People. PEOPLE/ The Electoral college isn't that complex.
Let me break it down.
Instead of the Country itself being a single "unit" which I will now refer to as Elects. In this system every vote woud be fighting to over turn the entire elect which represents a country.
In our system, your fighting to wina much smalled elect, a county. If a majority of counties win a state, the larger elect is turned, which, in turn, fights to overturn another elect, the country, This is a little lopsided here, because the electoral college clances by population, so thode island has fewer votes then New York.
Now, regarding being able to lose the popular vote but win the election. It is a matter of elects, again. Every signle elect is worth the same, the bare minimun. Thats why they all have the same number of voters. But picture this, a county that is 100% Democrat, and a county that is 51% democrat, have the exact equal number of votes. You can see where I'm going here. All you need is the minumum you need to win, and force the opponent into wining places it was obvious he'd win. In Extreme circumstances, this may decide elections.
In extreme situations, you can win having only about 21% of the votes. Besides, the fact that county part of the election uses a first past the vote system encourages a two party system, which America has today. (2 party systems are not good, FYI)
Post by: Hanslanda on October 10, 2012, 09:41:32 am
People. PEOPLE/ The Electoral college isn't that complex.
Let me break it down.
Instead of the Country itself being a single "unit" which I will now refer to as Elects. In this system every vote woud be fighting to over turn the entire elect which represents a country.
In our system, your fighting to wina much smalled elect, a county. If a majority of counties win a state, the larger elect is turned, which, in turn, fights to overturn another elect, the country, This is a little lopsided here, because the electoral college clances by population, so thode island has fewer votes then New York.
Now, regarding being able to lose the popular vote but win the election. It is a matter of elects, again. Every signle elect is worth the same, the bare minimun. Thats why they all have the same number of voters. But picture this, a county that is 100% Democrat, and a county that is 51% democrat, have the exact equal number of votes. You can see where I'm going here. All you need is the minumum you need to win, and force the opponent into wining places it was obvious he'd win. In Extreme circumstances, this may decide elections.
In extreme situations, you can win having only about 21% of the votes. Besides, the fact that county part of the election uses a first past the vote system encourages a two party system, which America has today. (2 party systems are not good, FYI)
2 party systems end up forcing the country into two camps, both of which rapidly become ridiculously over the top and pretty much ineffective because the other party is always attempting to block anything the other does. So... go USA, huh. :/
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 10, 2012, 09:45:00 am
Post by: MaximumZero on October 10, 2012, 09:45:30 am
And both parties still use the tired old line, "We're not a two party system! You can vote independent!"People. PEOPLE/ The Electoral college isn't that complex.
Let me break it down.
Instead of the Country itself being a single "unit" which I will now refer to as Elects. In this system every vote woud be fighting to over turn the entire elect which represents a country.
In our system, your fighting to wina much smalled elect, a county. If a majority of counties win a state, the larger elect is turned, which, in turn, fights to overturn another elect, the country, This is a little lopsided here, because the electoral college clances by population, so thode island has fewer votes then New York.
Now, regarding being able to lose the popular vote but win the election. It is a matter of elects, again. Every signle elect is worth the same, the bare minimun. Thats why they all have the same number of voters. But picture this, a county that is 100% Democrat, and a county that is 51% democrat, have the exact equal number of votes. You can see where I'm going here. All you need is the minumum you need to win, and force the opponent into wining places it was obvious he'd win. In Extreme circumstances, this may decide elections.
In extreme situations, you can win having only about 21% of the votes. Besides, the fact that county part of the election uses a first past the vote system encourages a two party system, which America has today. (2 party systems are not good, FYI)
2 party systems end up forcing the country into two camps, both of which rapidly become ridiculously over the top and pretty much ineffective because the other party is always attempting to block anything the other does. So... go USA, huh. :/
Post by: miauw62 on October 10, 2012, 09:52:30 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 10, 2012, 11:05:51 am
I am independent.And both parties still use the tired old line, "We're not a two party system! You can vote independent!"People. PEOPLE/ The Electoral college isn't that complex.
Let me break it down.
Instead of the Country itself being a single "unit" which I will now refer to as Elects. In this system every vote woud be fighting to over turn the entire elect which represents a country.
In our system, your fighting to wina much smalled elect, a county. If a majority of counties win a state, the larger elect is turned, which, in turn, fights to overturn another elect, the country, This is a little lopsided here, because the electoral college clances by population, so thode island has fewer votes then New York.
Now, regarding being able to lose the popular vote but win the election. It is a matter of elects, again. Every signle elect is worth the same, the bare minimun. Thats why they all have the same number of voters. But picture this, a county that is 100% Democrat, and a county that is 51% democrat, have the exact equal number of votes. You can see where I'm going here. All you need is the minumum you need to win, and force the opponent into wining places it was obvious he'd win. In Extreme circumstances, this may decide elections.
In extreme situations, you can win having only about 21% of the votes. Besides, the fact that county part of the election uses a first past the vote system encourages a two party system, which America has today. (2 party systems are not good, FYI)
2 party systems end up forcing the country into two camps, both of which rapidly become ridiculously over the top and pretty much ineffective because the other party is always attempting to block anything the other does. So... go USA, huh. :/
The Republicans have no brain and the Democrats have no spine.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 10, 2012, 11:07:23 am
And the Indies don't have enough pull to actually get into office. At best, you're playing spoiler.I am independent.And both parties still use the tired old line, "We're not a two party system! You can vote independent!"People. PEOPLE/ The Electoral college isn't that complex.
Let me break it down.
Instead of the Country itself being a single "unit" which I will now refer to as Elects. In this system every vote woud be fighting to over turn the entire elect which represents a country.
In our system, your fighting to wina much smalled elect, a county. If a majority of counties win a state, the larger elect is turned, which, in turn, fights to overturn another elect, the country, This is a little lopsided here, because the electoral college clances by population, so thode island has fewer votes then New York.
Now, regarding being able to lose the popular vote but win the election. It is a matter of elects, again. Every signle elect is worth the same, the bare minimun. Thats why they all have the same number of voters. But picture this, a county that is 100% Democrat, and a county that is 51% democrat, have the exact equal number of votes. You can see where I'm going here. All you need is the minumum you need to win, and force the opponent into wining places it was obvious he'd win. In Extreme circumstances, this may decide elections.
In extreme situations, you can win having only about 21% of the votes. Besides, the fact that county part of the election uses a first past the vote system encourages a two party system, which America has today. (2 party systems are not good, FYI)
2 party systems end up forcing the country into two camps, both of which rapidly become ridiculously over the top and pretty much ineffective because the other party is always attempting to block anything the other does. So... go USA, huh. :/
The Republicans have no brain and the Democrats have no spine.
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 10, 2012, 11:09:19 am
Still, though, they get an actual seat!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 10, 2012, 11:13:07 am
We only have about two independents in federal government out of 300-odd ridings.They managed to have an actual influence. I'm impressed.
Still, though, they get an actual seat!
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 10, 2012, 11:14:48 am
Post by: kaenneth on October 10, 2012, 11:22:46 am
If a party representing 5% of the people could get 5% of the seats in congress, without those people all having to live in the same state...
Post by: MaximumZero on October 10, 2012, 11:40:48 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 10, 2012, 11:46:49 am
Two party isn't the problem, winner-take-all is.As I said, first past the post is a terrible system, and causes the 2 party system.
If a party representing 5% of the people could get 5% of the seats in congress, without those people all having to live in the same state...
((yes, I realize America doesn't use a first past the post system, but it's comparable enough))
The US political system would also benefit from limited campaigning. It's almost like the politicians around here never do anything, because they're always too busy campaigning.I'm pretty sure that what's campaigning in America, would be seen as serious corruption in other states.
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 10, 2012, 11:47:23 am
Post by: RedKing on October 10, 2012, 12:20:22 pm
Funnily enough I saw that as an advantage of being the opposition to a sitting president. Hes got all that running the US stuff to worry about while you can go about promising the moon on a stick to everyone.True, but a sitting candidate has all sorts of free, job-related public events he has to go to where there will be reporters and he can use those as impromptu campaign events. Hell, the State of the Union address is essentially an annual re-election pitch.
Post by: miauw62 on October 10, 2012, 01:18:55 pm
I conclude from this that the entire American voting system is fucked up majorly.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 10, 2012, 01:48:24 pm
More breaking news: Bears are Catholic, the Pope shits in the woods.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 10, 2012, 01:56:16 pm
Post by: Khorne on October 10, 2012, 05:19:57 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 10, 2012, 05:20:23 pm
Also yeah, this is stupid, and probably won't change since Americans love to try to hearken back to a past they don't have and this takes them back to the "GOOD OLD DAYS" of... a few centuries ago.
Democracy: It's the worst system of government except for all the others that have been tried.
Post by: Fenrir on October 10, 2012, 05:57:05 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 10, 2012, 07:20:55 pm
My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 10, 2012, 07:24:16 pm
The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 10, 2012, 07:25:02 pm
My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
Stephen Hawking: American General that conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese general Arthur Wellesley.
Post by: Sirus on October 10, 2012, 07:25:24 pm
But you know, Hitler wasn't all bad. He did kill Hitler.The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 10, 2012, 07:26:01 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 10, 2012, 07:26:25 pm
The Nazis also conducted a bunch of scientific research without harming any animals.But you know, Hitler wasn't all bad. He did kill Hitler.The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 10, 2012, 07:27:02 pm
The Nazis also conducted a bunch of scientific research without harming any animals.But you know, Hitler wasn't all bad. He did kill Hitler.The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
:o
You...
You...
You magnificent bastard...
Post by: misko27 on October 10, 2012, 07:28:05 pm
Doing it wrong. The Nazis then invented Anti-disestablishmentarianism, whihc started the French revolution. Napolean and Mecha-hitler fought to a standstill, till Napolean Pushed him over.The Nazis also conducted a bunch of scientific research without harming any animals.But you know, Hitler wasn't all bad. He did kill Hitler.The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
Post by: SealyStar on October 10, 2012, 07:28:25 pm
My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
When they ask why there are all these recordings of him with a computer voice, say that he wrote it all before recording technology was developed, and that the historians who found the writings decided that they should read them aloud with a neutral, mechanical voice so as not to distort public perception of him with their own voices.
Post by: ShoesandHats on October 10, 2012, 07:29:13 pm
The Nazis also conducted a bunch of scientific research without harming any animals.But you know, Hitler wasn't all bad. He did kill Hitler.The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
:o
You...
You...
You magnificent bastard...
Don't you mean you inglorious basterd?
Post by: Sirus on October 10, 2012, 07:29:34 pm
And then Japanese Prime Minister Koizuma defeated them both in a game of mahjong. This is basic stuff, guys.Doing it wrong. The Nazis then invented Anti-disestablishmentarianism, whihc started the French revolution. Napolean and Mecha-hitler fought to a standstill, till Napolean Pushed him over.The Nazis also conducted a bunch of scientific research without harming any animals.But you know, Hitler wasn't all bad. He did kill Hitler.The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 10, 2012, 07:30:22 pm
They didn't think of it that way.The Nazis also conducted a bunch of scientific research without harming any animals.But you know, Hitler wasn't all bad. He did kill Hitler.The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
The world was shit anyways until George Washington was elected, with his vice-president Abraham Lincoln, and he led the Americans to end WWI and WWII in one fell swoop.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 10, 2012, 07:31:00 pm
You know what? They say history is written by the winners. So let's have Bay12 conquer the world and do some rewriting. Just for fun.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 10, 2012, 07:31:32 pm
And then Japanese Prime Minister Koizuma defeated them both in a game of mahjong. This is basic stuff, guys.Oooooo Koizumi-San VS Hawking-San!
THE MAHJONG GAME OF THE MILLENIUM
Post by: Hanslanda on October 10, 2012, 07:32:52 pm
The Nazis also conducted a bunch of scientific research without harming any animals.But you know, Hitler wasn't all bad. He did kill Hitler.The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
:o
You...
You...
You magnificent bastard...
Don't you mean you inglorious basterd?
...
Must. Not. Kiss. Shoesandhats.
Post by: Sirus on October 10, 2012, 07:33:40 pm
They have both publicly stated that they would never play mahjong in the same hundred-mile radius, let alone the same game. Hawking believes that it would cause the universe to end, and Koizuma agrees. Sorry.And then Japanese Prime Minister Koizuma defeated them both in a game of mahjong. This is basic stuff, guys.Oooooo Koizumi-San VS Hawking-San!
THE MAHJONG GAME OF THE MILLENIUM
Post by: ab00 on October 10, 2012, 07:34:21 pm
Quote from: Girl in School Hallway
Wait — I never go to class right away.She then proceeds to turn around and walk in the opposite direction.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 10, 2012, 07:37:00 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on October 10, 2012, 07:38:02 pm
Today's dose of stupid:So true. Lots of the "Cool" Kids who apparently have "Swag" in my school are always late, even though some of them WERE IN THE SAME FREAKING PERIOD AS ME JUST BEFORE! Meanwhile, if i somehow get late to class, its normally because of a legitimate reason, as opposed to "I was talking with all my friends in the hall[When i probably should have just put my stuff in my locker]"Quote from: Girl in School HallwayWait — I never go to class right away.She then proceeds to turn around and walk in the opposite direction.
Post by: SealyStar on October 10, 2012, 07:43:15 pm
Today's dose of stupid:So true. Lots of the "Cool" Kids who apparently have "Swag" in my school are always late, even though some of them WERE IN THE SAME FREAKING PERIOD AS ME JUST BEFORE! Meanwhile, if i somehow get late to class, its normally because of a legitimate reason, as opposed to "I was talking with all my friends in the hall[When i probably should have just put my stuff in my locker]"Quote from: Girl in School HallwayWait — I never go to class right away.She then proceeds to turn around and walk in the opposite direction.
It's called "speed". I go full-out march step between classes, while a lot of kids saunter like they're half-asleep... which, this being high school, most of them are.
And that's not even counting the social aspects.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 10, 2012, 07:46:04 pm
Today's dose of stupid:So true. Lots of the "Cool" Kids who apparently have "Swag" in my school are always late, even though some of them WERE IN THE SAME FREAKING PERIOD AS ME JUST BEFORE! Meanwhile, if i somehow get late to class, its normally because of a legitimate reason, as opposed to "I was talking with all my friends in the hall[When i probably should have just put my stuff in my locker]"Quote from: Girl in School HallwayWait — I never go to class right away.She then proceeds to turn around and walk in the opposite direction.
It's called "speed". I go full-out march step between classes, while a lot of kids saunter like they're half-asleep... which, this being high school, most of them are.
And that's not even counting the social aspects.
This. I was always able to get to and from my classes within a minute and a half.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 10, 2012, 07:47:17 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 10, 2012, 07:48:23 pm
I definitely slept through most of high school, so :P
I sprinted/aced tests/boned my meh girlfriend through most of high school. All three. At the same time. It was... Awkward looking.
Post by: Jervill on October 10, 2012, 07:48:45 pm
Today's dose of stupid:So true. Lots of the "Cool" Kids who apparently have "Swag" in my school are always late, even though some of them WERE IN THE SAME FREAKING PERIOD AS ME JUST BEFORE! Meanwhile, if i somehow get late to class, its normally because of a legitimate reason, as opposed to "I was talking with all my friends in the hall[When i probably should have just put my stuff in my locker]"Quote from: Girl in School HallwayWait — I never go to class right away.She then proceeds to turn around and walk in the opposite direction.
It's called "speed". I go full-out march step between classes, while a lot of kids saunter like they're half-asleep... which, this being high school, most of them are.
And that's not even counting the social aspects.
This. I was always able to get to and from my classes within a minute and a half.
Same here, and being Socially Awkward Penguin, I usually just did homework before school started, or sat in the empty classroom until class started (bus arrived 30 minutes before class started).
Post by: kaijyuu on October 10, 2012, 07:49:52 pm
We should make a flock.
Post by: Wrex on October 10, 2012, 07:50:35 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 10, 2012, 07:51:08 pm
I legit liked to run to class even when I wasn't late.I definitely slept through most of high school, so :P
I sprinted/aced tests/boned my meh girlfriend through most of high school. All three. At the same time. It was... Awkward looking.
Which is weird since I'm not athletic and track never appealed to me.
Post by: OREOSOME on October 10, 2012, 07:53:25 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 10, 2012, 07:54:37 pm
Post by: Corai on October 10, 2012, 07:58:08 pm
I am a Socially Awkward Penguin, for the most part. I hang out with my small group of friends, and we discuss how the human race is full of idiots, politics and trying to explain to somebody Al-Quada hate is not racism to muslims.
Me.
And so i'm not the only one who gets to class like a serial killer is chasing me?
Is everyone here a Socially Awkward Penguin?
We should make a flock.
+1
Post by: misko27 on October 10, 2012, 07:59:20 pm
+1Is everyone here a Socially Awkward Penguin?
We should make a flock.
+1
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 10, 2012, 08:00:00 pm
Post by: Fenrir on October 10, 2012, 08:04:24 pm
I'll join your flock.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 10, 2012, 08:19:02 pm
Post by: Corai on October 10, 2012, 08:22:24 pm
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Dude, Al-Quada are muslims! Don't be so racist to muslims!
A kid overheard me talking about Al-Quada. This is what he said.
The kid was muslim.
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Somebody should follow my posts and keep count of how many times I post in the wrong thread. I count three times already.
Post by: SealyStar on October 10, 2012, 08:39:19 pm
Is everyone here a Socially Awkward Penguin?
We should make a flock.
This is the internet. Who here isn't a Socially Awkward Penguin?
Today's dose of stupid:So true. Lots of the "Cool" Kids who apparently have "Swag" in my school are always late, even though some of them WERE IN THE SAME FREAKING PERIOD AS ME JUST BEFORE! Meanwhile, if i somehow get late to class, its normally because of a legitimate reason, as opposed to "I was talking with all my friends in the hall[When i probably should have just put my stuff in my locker]"Quote from: Girl in School HallwayWait — I never go to class right away.She then proceeds to turn around and walk in the opposite direction.
It's called "speed". I go full-out march step between classes, while a lot of kids saunter like they're half-asleep... which, this being high school, most of them are.
And that's not even counting the social aspects.
This. I was always able to get to and from my classes within a minute and a half.
Same here, and being Socially Awkward Penguin, I usually just did homework before school started, or sat in the empty classroom until class started (bus arrived 30 minutes before class started).
I usually arrive at school 20-25 minutes early, so I go to the library and read whatever books catch my fancy for that time period.
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 10, 2012, 08:42:32 pm
I go to my school's engineering lab/computer stockpile and play Dwarf Fortress or chat with my (very few) liberal comrades.Is everyone here a Socially Awkward Penguin?
We should make a flock.
This is the internet. Who here isn't a Socially Awkward Penguin?Today's dose of stupid:So true. Lots of the "Cool" Kids who apparently have "Swag" in my school are always late, even though some of them WERE IN THE SAME FREAKING PERIOD AS ME JUST BEFORE! Meanwhile, if i somehow get late to class, its normally because of a legitimate reason, as opposed to "I was talking with all my friends in the hall[When i probably should have just put my stuff in my locker]"Quote from: Girl in School HallwayWait — I never go to class right away.She then proceeds to turn around and walk in the opposite direction.
It's called "speed". I go full-out march step between classes, while a lot of kids saunter like they're half-asleep... which, this being high school, most of them are.
And that's not even counting the social aspects.
This. I was always able to get to and from my classes within a minute and a half.
Same here, and being Socially Awkward Penguin, I usually just did homework before school started, or sat in the empty classroom until class started (bus arrived 30 minutes before class started).
I usually arrive at school 20-25 minutes early, so I go to the library and read whatever books catch my fancy for that time period.
Post by: Tellemurius on October 10, 2012, 08:46:25 pm
DONT LEAVE THIS ROOM...........
Post by: Corai on October 10, 2012, 08:48:01 pm
Now we know where he is at the exact moment
DONT LEAVE THIS ROOM...........
I'll dispatch the elite Bay12 enforcement squad to capture him. He will not escape sir.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 10, 2012, 08:48:53 pm
Now we know where he is at the exact moment
DONT LEAVE THIS ROOM...........
I'll dispatch the elite Bay12 enforcement squad to capture him. He will not escape sir.
Actually, we're on break, then we're attending a party.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 10, 2012, 08:53:04 pm
That is disturbing! What can I do?I go to my school's engineering lab/computer stockpile and play Dwarf Fortress or chat with my (very few) liberal comrades.Is everyone here a Socially Awkward Penguin?
We should make a flock.
This is the internet. Who here isn't a Socially Awkward Penguin?Today's dose of stupid:So true. Lots of the "Cool" Kids who apparently have "Swag" in my school are always late, even though some of them WERE IN THE SAME FREAKING PERIOD AS ME JUST BEFORE! Meanwhile, if i somehow get late to class, its normally because of a legitimate reason, as opposed to "I was talking with all my friends in the hall[When i probably should have just put my stuff in my locker]"Quote from: Girl in School HallwayWait — I never go to class right away.She then proceeds to turn around and walk in the opposite direction.
It's called "speed". I go full-out march step between classes, while a lot of kids saunter like they're half-asleep... which, this being high school, most of them are.
And that's not even counting the social aspects.
This. I was always able to get to and from my classes within a minute and a half.
Same here, and being Socially Awkward Penguin, I usually just did homework before school started, or sat in the empty classroom until class started (bus arrived 30 minutes before class started).
I usually arrive at school 20-25 minutes early, so I go to the library and read whatever books catch my fancy for that time period.
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 10, 2012, 08:57:22 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 10, 2012, 10:39:56 pm
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Post by: Vorthon on October 10, 2012, 10:43:02 pm
This one guy's cooking something in a pot. He gets some other people to try it to see if it's any good. One of them utters this gem:
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It's just like a home-cooked meal!
I couldn't facepalm hard enough at that.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 10, 2012, 10:44:25 pm
Post by: Vorthon on October 10, 2012, 10:45:57 pm
Post by: ab00 on October 10, 2012, 11:01:30 pm
How much time before class? If she just wanted to goof off for a few more minutes, not stupid. If she was purposefully being tardy, that's stupid.It was about five minutes before class, but it's not like she was already doing anything. She was walking to class, stopped in the middle of the hallway, announced said quote, turned around, and walked away.
Post by: Scelly9 on October 10, 2012, 11:15:26 pm
There was one decent fellow a few seasons back, before I stopped watching. Some old guy. He won, IIRC. And he was awesome.I remember one guy, he didn't win but he was the most manipulative, evil bastard ever. My god, that guy was good.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 11, 2012, 12:11:47 am
You just described damn near every person on the show.There was one decent fellow a few seasons back, before I stopped watching. Some old guy. He won, IIRC. And he was awesome.I remember one guy, he didn't win but he was the most manipulative, evil bastard ever. My god, that guy was good.
My parents were obsessed with it, so I picked up a lot from second-hand television. My favorite would probably be the man and woman that ended up going to the end together, she won, and then they got married. I mean, damn.
Post by: Karlito on October 11, 2012, 12:17:52 am
My parents were obsessed with it, so I picked up a lot from second-hand television. My favorite would probably be the man and woman that ended up going to the end together, she won, and then they got married. I mean, damn.
They did a really good job marketing their celebrity after that, too. They've appeared as a couple in like 6 other reality tv shows.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 11, 2012, 12:19:50 am
My parents were obsessed with it, so I picked up a lot from second-hand television. My favorite would probably be the man and woman that ended up going to the end together, she won, and then they got married. I mean, damn.
They did a really good job marketing their celebrity after that, too. They've appeared as a couple in like 6 other reality tv shows.
Yeah, it was a pretty smart way for them to go about it. Sort of impressive, honestly.
Post by: Scelly9 on October 11, 2012, 12:25:08 am
Have you seen Russle? He takes it to a whole new level. He stole his own teams hatchet and hid it to make everyone miserable. Also, he managed to find 3 idols.You just described damn near every person on the show.There was one decent fellow a few seasons back, before I stopped watching. Some old guy. He won, IIRC. And he was awesome.I remember one guy, he didn't win but he was the most manipulative, evil bastard ever. My god, that guy was good.
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 11, 2012, 05:10:35 am
Post by: Urist McPenguinhead on October 11, 2012, 05:36:17 am
I go to my school's engineering lab/computer stockpile and play Dwarf Fortress
Lucky! I tried that once and was yelled at by the librarian. I think she said something like "What have you done?! You broke the computer! What are all those numbers on the screen?" She then proceeded to 'ban' me from the library, although I was back at lunch :p
Post by: Darvi on October 11, 2012, 05:39:41 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 11, 2012, 09:33:32 am
Was it that chinese-american guy? Yao-something I think? He invented the fake idol. It was fun watching everyone fall for it.There was one decent fellow a few seasons back, before I stopped watching. Some old guy. He won, IIRC. And he was awesome.I remember one guy, he didn't win but he was the most manipulative, evil bastard ever. My god, that guy was good.
Post by: Oliolli on October 11, 2012, 09:34:49 am
Who the hell decided that giving people authority over stuff they understand nothing about was a good idea?
That's democracy for you.
Oh, you were referring to the previous post, weren't you?
Post by: RedKing on October 11, 2012, 09:46:29 am
ftfyWho the hell decided that giving people authority over stuff they understand nothing about was a good idea?That's life for you.
Even in the People's Glorious Workers' Paradise, there are a lot of people in charge who know fuck-all about the things they're in charge of.
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 11, 2012, 10:02:55 am
Democracies are run by the men with the prettiest face.
Niether of those men have the slightest clue what a "Transportification system" is.
They think it's a sort of plant.
Post by: scriver on October 11, 2012, 10:11:27 am
ftfyWho the hell decided that giving people authority over stuff they understand nothing about was a good idea?That's life for you.
Even in the People's Glorious Workers' Paradise, there are a lot of people in charge who know fuck-all about the things they're in charge of.
Technically, PGW Paradise would have transcended so far into communism that it would be the purest form of democracy, would it not? :P
Post by: RedKing on October 11, 2012, 10:30:00 am
yes, but even in less pure forms, it is known as the Worker's Paradise, because calling it anything less is a sign of discontent. Which would be counter-revolutionary and not to be tolerated. North Korea is Best Korea, because calling it Pretty Good Korea is a ticket to the re-education camp. Which is likely overseen by a person who knows fuck-all about education.ftfyWho the hell decided that giving people authority over stuff they understand nothing about was a good idea?That's life for you.
Even in the People's Glorious Workers' Paradise, there are a lot of people in charge who know fuck-all about the things they're in charge of.
Technically, PGW Paradise would have transcended so far into communism that it would be the purest form of democracy, would it not? :P
Post by: Montague on October 11, 2012, 10:38:48 am
However... meritocracy is 'elitist' in it's own way and people vote for candidates with 'the best character' and at best, everybody is just voting out of their own self interest.
However, the USA and every other so-called democracy isn't even really a democracy anyways. It's a society of laws. Which is why it functions as well as it does despite everything else wrong with these systems.
I think it might be time to reevaluate how governments are run. Think of a new system that actually works. See what works and what doesn't and base a political ideology or philosophy based on their common themes. Keeping in mind the flawed nature of human beings in a vast society and their foibles. Keep it sustainable too.
Actually, fuck all that, let's just design an advanced AI supercomputer and do whatever it says.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 11, 2012, 11:23:45 am
Well, democracy is supposed to be a meritocracy. It was sort of assumed people would vote for the most qualified people for the job, appoint experts to run certain fields and have these officials accountable and easy to fire.
However... meritocracy is 'elitist' in it's own way and people vote for candidates with 'the best character' and at best, everybody is just voting out of their own self interest.
However, the USA and every other so-called democracy isn't even really a democracy anyways. It's a society of laws. Which is why it functions as well as it does despite everything else wrong with these systems.
I think it might be time to reevaluate how governments are run. Think of a new system that actually works. See what works and what doesn't and base a political ideology or philosophy based on their common themes. Keeping in mind the flawed nature of human beings in a vast society and their foibles. Keep it sustainable too.
Actually, fuck all that, let's justdesign an advanced AI supercomputercomplete Dwarf Fortress 1.0 and do whatever it says.
FTFY
Post by: RedKing on October 11, 2012, 11:34:39 am
Well, democracy is supposed to be a meritocracy. It was sort of assumed people would vote for the most qualified people for the job, appoint experts to run certain fields and have these officials accountable and easy to fire.Problem being, how are people supposed to judge who is most qualified for positions that they themselves know fuck-all about? And then actually know anything about the candidates? Democracy is inherently broken by lack of information. And ironically, despite living in the "Information Age" our modern world abounds in a lack of information at the individual level. The system can know trillions of minutiae about a given individual, but the individual has great difficulty getting information about the system.
I've long argued that democracy has an inherent upper and lower bound of effectivity. Too small a population, and you give any one deranged individual too much power. Too large a population, and it simply becomes unwieldy. India's the largest democracy in the world, but that's because it functions more like a confederation of 28 smaller countries. And I use the term "functions" loosely.
I'd be down for the computer thing. I for one welcome our cold, unfeeling mechanical overlord.
Post by: Khorne on October 11, 2012, 12:22:25 pm
Unfortunately I told her how smart he is, and (indirectly mind you) how stupid and ignorent she is compaired to him. She also doesnt know who participated in WWII and WWI. So I'll give her this weird ass story but leave Hawking out and replace him with Albert Einstein.They didn't think of it that way.The Nazis also conducted a bunch of scientific research without harming any animals.But you know, Hitler wasn't all bad. He did kill Hitler.The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
The world was shit anyways until George Washington was elected, with his vice-president Abraham Lincoln, and he led the Americans to end WWI and WWII in one fell swoop.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 11, 2012, 12:26:21 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 11, 2012, 12:26:26 pm
Post by: RedKing on October 11, 2012, 12:29:38 pm
Unfortunately I told her how smart he is, and (indirectly mind you) how stupid and ignorent she is compaired to him. She also doesnt know who participated in WWII and WWI. So I'll give her this weird ass story but leave Hawking out and replace him with Albert Einstein.They didn't think of it that way.The Nazis also conducted a bunch of scientific research without harming any animals.But you know, Hitler wasn't all bad. He did kill Hitler.The dirty capitalist Chinese.My brothers girlfriend asked me "Who's Stephen Hawking?" I facepalmed hard that day.You should roll with it. Say he was some famous general or something, who conquered all of Greece and lost it to the Chinese.
But then Greece was freed by the revolution thrown by the uber badass, JFK, who was in turn assassinated by Hitler, who would go on to conquer Germany and create the Holocaust.
The world was shit anyways until George Washington was elected, with his vice-president Abraham Lincoln, and he led the Americans to end WWI and WWII in one fell swoop.
*twitch*
hhrrrrrnnnnnnggggHhhHHHHH!!!!
...fuck it, I'm glad I'm old. I'll be dead before the stupids fuck it up any worse.
Post by: Scelly9 on October 11, 2012, 12:42:14 pm
No, Russle was his name, I think. He never needed a fake idol, he found three of them with no clues.Was it that chinese-american guy? Yao-something I think? He invented the fake idol. It was fun watching everyone fall for it.There was one decent fellow a few seasons back, before I stopped watching. Some old guy. He won, IIRC. And he was awesome.I remember one guy, he didn't win but he was the most manipulative, evil bastard ever. My god, that guy was good.
Post by: Oliolli on October 11, 2012, 01:02:27 pm
Actually, fuck all that, let's just design an advanced AI supercomputer and do whatever it says.
I'd be down for the computer thing. I for one welcome our cold, unfeeling mechanical overlord.
Just remember to not accept any cake it offers. Other than that, I'm all for it.
We are teaching it Asimov's
Post by: miauw62 on October 11, 2012, 01:10:26 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 11, 2012, 01:13:34 pm
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on October 11, 2012, 02:16:07 pm
Nah, I remember who he's talking about, Yau-Man Chan.No, Russle was his name, I think. He never needed a fake idol, he found three of them with no clues.Was it that chinese-american guy? Yao-something I think? He invented the fake idol. It was fun watching everyone fall for it.There was one decent fellow a few seasons back, before I stopped watching. Some old guy. He won, IIRC. And he was awesome.I remember one guy, he didn't win but he was the most manipulative, evil bastard ever. My god, that guy was good.
Dude was pretty smart about the whole thing though, only reason he didn't win was that one of the other players went back on some deal they made.
Why do I remember this? Seriously, I didn't even watch survivor except for that season...
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 11, 2012, 04:50:18 pm
Yeah, what the ninja said. Yau-man would have whoops Russle's conniving ass three ways to sunday and still been cooler than Mr Miyagi.No, Russle was his name, I think. He never needed a fake idol, he found three of them with no clues.Was it that chinese-american guy? Yao-something I think? He invented the fake idol. It was fun watching everyone fall for it.There was one decent fellow a few seasons back, before I stopped watching. Some old guy. He won, IIRC. And he was awesome.I remember one guy, he didn't win but he was the most manipulative, evil bastard ever. My god, that guy was good.
I don't know if that sentance makes sense but it doesn't matter because Yau-man was awesome.
Post by: justinlee999 on October 12, 2012, 06:14:53 am
We also have to shield it from ion storms and keep the taters away.Did you forget the griffons?
Post by: Darvi on October 12, 2012, 06:51:05 am
Post by: RedKing on October 12, 2012, 08:48:13 am
AH! AHHH! BIRD!! Kill it, it's evil!!We also have to shield it from ion storms and keep the taters away.Did you forget the griffons?
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 13, 2012, 11:50:25 am
Spoiler: Image posted in thread (click to show/hide)
"Those are just cubes rotated 90 degrees you dumbass."
Only Sane Man: "No, those are actually different shapes, and this is pretty obviously a joke."
"I don't care if they're rotated, they have square sides. So what? Still cubes."
Minecraftforum: where the existence of basic geometry is refuted by more than one person
Post by: SealyStar on October 13, 2012, 01:44:22 pm
Minecraftforum parody suggestion: Replace cubes with rhombic dodecahedra"How is this any different?"Spoiler: Image posted in thread (click to show/hide)
"Those are just cubes rotated 90 degrees you dumbass."
Only Sane Man: "No, those are actually different shapes, and this is pretty obviously a joke."
"I don't care if they're rotated, they have square sides. So what? Still cubes."
Minecraftforum: where the existence of basic geometry is refuted by more than one person
Even if it's a parody, I didn't know anyone actually used the suggestions forum there.
You'd think they'd realize that nothing suggested there ever goes anywhere.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on October 13, 2012, 11:24:44 pm
Mind you, not all of the community. Just enough to make me never want to browse the forums.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 13, 2012, 11:27:17 pm
Post by: crazysheep on October 13, 2012, 11:46:01 pm
Fixed that for you.Minecraft'sAlmost every video game community is made up largely of entitled idiots who think they've got simply amazing ideas.
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 13, 2012, 11:47:31 pm
But not us![/elitist]Fixed that for you.Minecraft'sAlmost every video game community is made up largely of entitled idiots who think they've got simply amazing ideas.
Post by: misko27 on October 13, 2012, 11:50:59 pm
I think many of us accept that Toady simply does do so. He DOES include some things, but, obviously, most of us would be surprised if our idea was included only because we mentioned it. Besides, most are either A) Ways to implement things he's already plannign to include, and B) Stuff that will never ever be included.But not us![/elitist]Fixed that for you.Minecraft'sAlmost every video game community is made up largely of entitled idiots who think they've got simply amazing ideas.
Post by: crazysheep on October 13, 2012, 11:52:21 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 13, 2012, 11:55:05 pm
And the countless suggestions in the suggestions forum would like to have a word with you ;PThe thing is he is still focused on super medieval realism, so if it falls in that path, he will include it in some form or another. If it doesn't, well, not in there.
Post by: crazysheep on October 13, 2012, 11:56:56 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 14, 2012, 05:12:19 am
And the countless suggestions in the suggestions forum would like to have a word with you ;PI just don't get it! It clearly says good and peaceful. WHY AREN'T MY DWARVES DYING?!!
Post by: miauw62 on October 14, 2012, 05:17:09 am
The difference between MC forums and B12 is that Toady actually READS b12. Notch does not. At the end of alpha he had, what, 20 posts?
Post by: crazysheep on October 14, 2012, 05:48:08 am
The difference between MC forums and B12 is that Toady actually READS b12. Notch does not. At the end of alpha he had, what, 20 posts?I guess that's the key difference: Toady scours our forums for stuff. A lot of other one-man devs don't :/
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 14, 2012, 06:00:36 am
Given the average quality of MC forum posts... Who can blame him? In Bay we even try to give our derails quality.The difference between MC forums and B12 is that Toady actually READS b12. Notch does not. At the end of alpha he had, what, 20 posts?I guess that's the key difference: Toady scours our forums for stuff. A lot of other one-man devs don't :/
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 14, 2012, 06:04:21 am
Also the fact that Minecraftforums are an unofficial third party forum that is not run by Mojang, and was in fact contracted out to an external external agency, making them even more crap and non official than they previously were.Given the average quality of MC forum posts... Who can blame him? In Bay we even try to give our derails quality.The difference between MC forums and B12 is that Toady actually READS b12. Notch does not. At the end of alpha he had, what, 20 posts?I guess that's the key difference: Toady scours our forums for stuff. A lot of other one-man devs don't :/
Combine that with carebear mods who lock topics and ban you for even mentioning something they disagree with, and why would he bother reading them?
Post by: Graknorke on October 14, 2012, 06:07:49 am
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dwarf fortress the most complex game ever made rofl? try starcraft budOkay, just what.
They had like 40 years of gaming history and they could have picked any one of those games, and they chose Starcraft? That is such a simple and straightforward example of an RTS I don't even...
Post by: crazysheep on October 14, 2012, 06:14:01 am
On the other hand, balancing is complex. It's the reason SC is still in tourneys while RTSes from the Command and Conquer series aren't there.Quotedwarf fortress the most complex game ever made rofl? try starcraft budOkay, just what.
They had like 40 years of gaming history and they could have picked any one of those games, and they chose Starcraft? That is such a simple and straightforward example of an RTS I don't even...
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 14, 2012, 06:23:52 am
Yeah, as crazysheep said it's all down to the balancing... But in terms of complexity, starcraft is much less complex than DF - and for better reasons too. I guess it's mostly opinionated stuff.Quotedwarf fortress the most complex game ever made rofl? try starcraft budOkay, just what.
They had like 40 years of gaming history and they could have picked any one of those games, and they chose Starcraft? That is such a simple and straightforward example of an RTS I don't even...
Post by: miauw62 on October 14, 2012, 06:47:16 am
Yeah, but it IS linked and treated as the official forums.Also the fact that Minecraftforums are an unofficial third party forum that is not run by Mojang, and was in fact contracted out to an external external agency, making them even more crap and non official than they previously were.Given the average quality of MC forum posts... Who can blame him? In Bay we even try to give our derails quality.The difference between MC forums and B12 is that Toady actually READS b12. Notch does not. At the end of alpha he had, what, 20 posts?I guess that's the key difference: Toady scours our forums for stuff. A lot of other one-man devs don't :/
Combine that with carebear mods who lock topics and ban you for even mentioning something they disagree with, and why would he bother reading them?
Post by: SealyStar on October 14, 2012, 07:34:22 am
Yeah, but it IS linked and treated as the official forums.Also the fact that Minecraftforums are an unofficial third party forum that is not run by Mojang, and was in fact contracted out to an external external agency, making them even more crap and non official than they previously were.Given the average quality of MC forum posts... Who can blame him? In Bay we even try to give our derails quality.The difference between MC forums and B12 is that Toady actually READS b12. Notch does not. At the end of alpha he had, what, 20 posts?I guess that's the key difference: Toady scours our forums for stuff. A lot of other one-man devs don't :/
Combine that with carebear mods who lock topics and ban you for even mentioning something they disagree with, and why would he bother reading them?
They're considered official, even though they're hosted and administrated by a third party. And they've sold out for teh lootz, so now there are more banner ads than you could count on one hand, plus Curse "premium" which is basically just a money-grubbing alternative to adblock.
Citricsquid is probably lining in pockets with Benjamins thanks to those forums. "Server expenses" my ass.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 14, 2012, 07:41:49 am
If they'd been set up by and were administrated by Mojang, then the suggestions forum could be considered an official suggestion board set up by the devs, as it is, it's a place for 12 year olds to ask for ways to turn dirt into diamonds.
Post by: Skyrunner on October 14, 2012, 08:07:29 am
Bay12 is nice and light. I used it for three hours on 3G and barely got 30 MB.
Post by: Darvi on October 14, 2012, 08:26:29 am
Bay12 is nice and light. I used it for three hours on 3G and barely got 30 MB.TIME TO SPAM EVERYTHING WITH IMAGE MACROS!
Post by: bombzero on October 14, 2012, 01:49:45 pm
Bay12 is nice and light. I used it for three hours on 3G and barely got 30 MB.
Hell, bay12 is nice even when bandwidth isn't a serious issue, too many forums go for fancy layouts that make it feel like we got pre-cable internet all over again.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 14, 2012, 02:07:58 pm
Who the hell decided that giving people authority over stuff they understand nothing about was a good idea?see: every democracy ever
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 14, 2012, 02:19:37 pm
See: every government everWho the hell decided that giving people authority over stuff they understand nothing about was a good idea?see: every democracy ever
Post by: Flying Dice on October 14, 2012, 02:49:52 pm
Except the ones with philosopher-kings. That don't exist.See: every government everWho the hell decided that giving people authority over stuff they understand nothing about was a good idea?see: every democracy ever
Post by: bombzero on October 14, 2012, 02:56:21 pm
There was something I heard once that is quite relevant here.Except the ones with philosopher-kings. That don't exist.See: every government everWho the hell decided that giving people authority over stuff they understand nothing about was a good idea?see: every democracy ever
"Only a foolish or greedy man wants to lead a country, only a great and selfless man can."
Post by: Darvi on October 14, 2012, 02:59:29 pm
And who would rule if nobody who wants to is allowed to?
Post by: kaijyuu on October 14, 2012, 03:13:14 pm
Summary of the summary: People are a problem.Altruistic self-sacrificers.
And who would rule if nobody who wants to is allowed to?
Post by: Xantalos on October 14, 2012, 03:14:53 pm
The dude from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. You know the one, if you've read them.Summary of the summary: People are a problem.Altruistic self-sacrificers.
And who would rule if nobody who wants to is allowed to?
Post by: darkrider2 on October 14, 2012, 03:15:41 pm
The dude from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. You know the one, if you've read them.Summary of the summary: People are a problem.Altruistic self-sacrificers.
And who would rule if nobody who wants to is allowed to?
I have read them but I have completely forgotten.
Post by: Xantalos on October 14, 2012, 03:17:04 pm
The dude who is unsure of everything and is uncertain that anything exists, who the leaders of the universe consult for what they should do.The dude from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. You know the one, if you've read them.Summary of the summary: People are a problem.Altruistic self-sacrificers.
And who would rule if nobody who wants to is allowed to?
I have read them but I have completely forgotten.
Post by: darkrider2 on October 14, 2012, 03:18:59 pm
The dude who is unsure of everything and is uncertain that anything exists, who the leaders of the universe consult for what they should do.I have read them but I have completely forgotten.The dude from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. You know the one, if you've read them.Summary of the summary: People are a problem.Altruistic self-sacrificers.
And who would rule if nobody who wants to is allowed to?
OH THAT GUY.
+1 point for Xantalos.
Post by: Darvi on October 14, 2012, 03:35:15 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 14, 2012, 03:42:51 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 14, 2012, 05:17:53 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 14, 2012, 10:49:09 pm
This doesn't neccessarily mean good things for neighboring countries, though. Empiricism, ahoy!
Post by: kaijyuu on October 14, 2012, 11:05:38 pm
Post by: Mini on October 15, 2012, 12:20:28 am
Post by: Xantalos on October 15, 2012, 12:21:35 am
There's another type of leader that leads well as well, and that is the selfish man who's self extends to his countrymen.That's what's known as a hivemind, child.
This doesn't neccessarily mean good things for neighboring countries, though. Empiricism, ahoy!
Post by: Hanslanda on October 15, 2012, 12:24:10 am
There's another type of leader that leads well as well, and that is the selfish man who's self extends to his countrymen.That's what's known as a hivemind, child.
This doesn't neccessarily mean good things for neighboring countries, though. Empiricism, ahoy!
Tyranids? What?
Post by: Xantalos on October 15, 2012, 01:20:53 am
Think about it. The best civilizations are those which don't have any impetus to argue!There's another type of leader that leads well as well, and that is the selfish man who's self extends to his countrymen.That's what's known as a hivemind, child.
This doesn't neccessarily mean good things for neighboring countries, though. Empiricism, ahoy!
Tyranids? What?
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 15, 2012, 01:50:07 am
One of us.... One of us...There's another type of leader that leads well as well, and that is the selfish man who's self extends to his countrymen.That's what's known as a hivemind, child.
This doesn't neccessarily mean good things for neighboring countries, though. Empiricism, ahoy!
Tyranids? What?
Post by: Xantalos on October 15, 2012, 01:55:17 am
Post by: Hanslanda on October 15, 2012, 10:09:35 am
Think about it. The best civilizations are those which don't have any impetus to argue!There's another type of leader that leads well as well, and that is the selfish man who's self extends to his countrymen.That's what's known as a hivemind, child.
This doesn't neccessarily mean good things for neighboring countries, though. Empiricism, ahoy!
Tyranids? What?
So, it's settled then? We're going to genetically engineer the human race to be Tyranids?
Post by: Darvi on October 15, 2012, 10:29:38 am
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 15, 2012, 10:31:12 am
Quote from: some idiot on tumblr
sometimes when i get angry i transform into a werewolf, as i am a shapeshifting otherkin. i dont like this happening but i really cant help it. people think that having a different animal spirit inside you is a joke, but its not and i would stop this if i could and this is a very REAL thing i have to go through everyday. im honestly really scared im going to have a breakdown and hurt people someday, and i dont like living anymore knowing that something this dark is inside of me.
Post by: Darvi on October 15, 2012, 10:32:11 am
That would be reason for concern though.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 15, 2012, 10:42:20 am
Troll mantises are the product of the progress made in that effort.
Lololololololo
Post by: Kamin on October 15, 2012, 10:52:26 am
If you troll it, we will come.Troll mantises are the product of the progress made in that effort.
Lololololololo
lolololololo
Post by: Descan on October 15, 2012, 11:06:40 am
God, man. :I
Post by: scriver on October 15, 2012, 11:15:30 am
Oh look at this.Quote from: some idiot on tumblrsometimes when i get angry i transform into a werewolf, as i am a shapeshifting otherkin. i dont like this happening but i really cant help it. people think that having a different animal spirit inside you is a joke, but its not and i would stop this if i could and this is a very REAL thing i have to go through everyday. im honestly really scared im going to have a breakdown and hurt people someday, and i dont like living anymore knowing that something this dark is inside of me.
Here, cure your ignorance. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_lycanthropy)
Post by: miauw62 on October 15, 2012, 11:41:41 am
Poor sod.Oh look at this.Quote from: some idiot on tumblrsometimes when i get angry i transform into a werewolf, as i am a shapeshifting otherkin. i dont like this happening but i really cant help it. people think that having a different animal spirit inside you is a joke, but its not and i would stop this if i could and this is a very REAL thing i have to go through everyday. im honestly really scared im going to have a breakdown and hurt people someday, and i dont like living anymore knowing that something this dark is inside of me.
Here, cure your ignorance. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_lycanthropy)
Post by: Graknorke on October 15, 2012, 12:32:26 pm
And another Wikipedia article proves that I have less grounds to complain about my own problems.Oh look at this.Quote from: some idiot on tumblrsometimes when i get angry i transform into a werewolf, as i am a shapeshifting otherkin. i dont like this happening but i really cant help it. people think that having a different animal spirit inside you is a joke, but its not and i would stop this if i could and this is a very REAL thing i have to go through everyday. im honestly really scared im going to have a breakdown and hurt people someday, and i dont like living anymore knowing that something this dark is inside of me.
Here, cure your ignorance. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_lycanthropy)
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 15, 2012, 12:42:34 pm
Of course, vampires don't exist.
That would be silly.
Ssshhh.
Post by: Darvi on October 15, 2012, 12:44:49 pm
Post by: Zangi on October 15, 2012, 12:45:17 pm
I'd figure the Borg would also be an acceptable alternative.Think about it. The best civilizations are those which don't have any impetus to argue!There's another type of leader that leads well as well, and that is the selfish man who's self extends to his countrymen.That's what's known as a hivemind, child.
This doesn't neccessarily mean good things for neighboring countries, though. Empiricism, ahoy!
Tyranids? What?
So, it's settled then? We're going to genetically engineer the human race to be Tyranids?
Post by: Graknorke on October 15, 2012, 12:45:53 pm
Eh, they're right up there with the people who believe they're vampires.
Of course, vampires don't exist.
That would be silly.
Ssshhh.
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Post by: da_nang on October 15, 2012, 12:53:41 pm
No, the PC term for it is "Nocturnal hemophagia"I'm pretty sure it's Sanguinare Vampiris, or Porphyric Hemophilia, depending on the strain.
Personally, I prefer Sanies Lupinus.
Post by: Darvi on October 15, 2012, 01:46:24 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 15, 2012, 02:18:03 pm
Midway through the video, the guy next to me begins arguing about how you don't need math to be successful, and how math kills critical thinking. The teacher quickly argues back on both points. Then this kid talks about how his parents own a "multi-million dollar business", even though neither graduated from college. The teacher refutes this argument, too, but by this point the two are basically shouting at each other.
The biggest problem? This was "Accelerated" Physics... which in my school's parlance means it's the physics class for people who are interested in deeper math and science... so why is he taking it?
Post by: Oliolli on October 15, 2012, 02:18:46 pm
Anyone for the Cyberman-solution?I'd figure the Borg would also be an acceptable alternative.Think about it. The best civilizations are those which don't have any impetus to argue!There's another type of leader that leads well as well, and that is the selfish man who's self extends to his countrymen.That's what's known as a hivemind, child.
This doesn't neccessarily mean good things for neighboring countries, though. Empiricism, ahoy!
Tyranids? What?
So, it's settled then? We're going to genetically engineer the human race to be Tyranids?
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 15, 2012, 02:34:53 pm
Anyone for the Cyberman-solution?You'd best delete that sort of thinking.
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 15, 2012, 02:36:37 pm
Post by: da_nang on October 15, 2012, 02:38:28 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 15, 2012, 02:45:00 pm
The Loud Whispers must be upgraded.♫In the jungle the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight...♫
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 15, 2012, 03:18:52 pm
I think he meant imperialism.Yeah, that"s what I meant. I thought Empiricism sounded off.
Also, why do these things always go back to Who?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 15, 2012, 03:22:33 pm
We Will Explain Later (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM)I think he meant imperialism.Yeah, that"s what I meant. I thought Empiricism sounded off.
Also, why do these things always go back to Who?
Post by: Hanslanda on October 15, 2012, 08:48:20 pm
I'd figure the Borg would also be an acceptable alternative.Think about it. The best civilizations are those which don't have any impetus to argue!There's another type of leader that leads well as well, and that is the selfish man who's self extends to his countrymen.That's what's known as a hivemind, child.
This doesn't neccessarily mean good things for neighboring countries, though. Empiricism, ahoy!
Tyranids? What?
So, it's settled then? We're going to genetically engineer the human race to be Tyranids?
We are the Trolls. We will assimilate your culture, and all your defining features will be subsumed. Your technological advancements will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
But honestly, I prefer:
Skitterskitterskitterskitterskitterskitterskitterskitterskitter- LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO! *Shank shank shank shank shank shank bite*
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 15, 2012, 08:55:39 pm
We are the Trolls. We will assimilate your culture, and all your defining features will be subsumed. Your technological advancements will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
But honestly, I prefer:
Skitterskitterskitterskitterskitterskitterskitterskitterskitter- RAWR! *Shank shank shank shank shank shank bite*
I believe you mean "lololololololololololo"
Post by: Hanslanda on October 15, 2012, 08:56:53 pm
Post by: Wrex on October 15, 2012, 09:00:59 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 15, 2012, 09:02:02 pm
Post by: Oliolli on October 16, 2012, 07:26:27 am
We are the mantis men. We will assimilate all inferior races. Resistance is futile. lololololololoAnd that is why I am not scared.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 16, 2012, 10:30:53 am
Technically, you should be. Since the Mantis men are clearly inferior to you, they have amongst other, a flawed judgement. This causes them to think they are superior.We are the mantis men. We will assimilate all inferior races. Resistance is futile. lololololololoAnd that is why I am not scared.
Post by: miauw62 on October 16, 2012, 01:38:37 pm
Whats up with the thumbs-up-spam?We Will Explain Later (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM)I think he meant imperialism.Yeah, that"s what I meant. I thought Empiricism sounded off.
Also, why do these things always go back to Who?
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 16, 2012, 02:14:32 pm
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOThe beauty of humanity is that if so much as an outside looking entity tries to even imply it is superior to humanity, humanity will devote all of its resources into destroying it. Enjoy your time while it lasts mantises.
Oliolli think he is superior!
Oioioioioioioioioioioioioioioio
Post by: OREOSOME on October 16, 2012, 02:18:40 pm
Post by: Oliolli on October 16, 2012, 02:42:28 pm
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOThe beauty of humanity is that if so much as an outside looking entity tries to even imply it is superior to humanity, humanity will devote all of its resources into destroying it. Enjoy your time while it lasts mantises.
Oliolli think he is superior!
Oioioioioioioioioioioioioioioio
"So you're superior to us? Let's see a radioactive crater tell us it's superior to us!"
Post by: Darvi on October 16, 2012, 02:46:23 pm
Just as lolololololo'd.
Post by: darkrider2 on October 16, 2012, 02:46:27 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 16, 2012, 02:47:02 pm
Post by: Graknorke on October 16, 2012, 05:12:07 pm
Quote from: some forum on the internet
Homosexuality is wrong. Its a perversion from the natural order caused by rejection of God. Its as contrary to nature as wanting to eat sand.Specifically.
Quote
Its a perversion from the natural orderReally? This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior) is Wikipedia's list of animals that have been observed participating in same-sex sexual stimulation. Are they all perversions of nature too? Herp.
On a slightly happier note, someone with Kamina as their avatar then proceeded to massively out-Bible them.
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Post by: Loud Whispers on October 16, 2012, 05:32:30 pm
Testosterone levels in male partners once the youngest child in their couple reaches the age of 3 reaches normal peaks, and the majority of divorces happen when the youngest child is 4 years old - when one parent is capable of raising the child alone.
Basically, man meets woman, have baby -> raise baby -> have more baby
And then you get loads of optional auxiliary partners in between.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 16, 2012, 05:45:26 pm
On a more hilarious note, wedding is a perversion of the natural order! :PAgreed. And you need loads and loads of auxiliary partners. If you don't want your share, I'll take them. :P
Testosterone levels in male partners once the youngest child in their couple reaches the age of 3 reaches normal peaks, and the majority of divorces happen when the youngest child is 4 years old - when one parent is capable of raising the child alone.
Basically, man meets woman, have baby -> raise baby -> have more baby
And then you get loads of optional auxiliary partners in between.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 16, 2012, 07:07:22 pm
(hint: no, it isn't)
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 16, 2012, 07:26:42 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 16, 2012, 07:28:33 pm
Identity is a wacky thing and I'd be hesitant to call any identity "invalid." Someone could identify as a pizza, but they'd probably be nuts besides.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 16, 2012, 07:30:01 pm
What do you have against pizzas? :POr pineapple.
Identity is a wacky thing and I'd be hesitant to call any identity "invalid." Someone could identify as a pizza, but they'd probably be nuts besides.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 16, 2012, 07:30:46 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 16, 2012, 08:25:58 pm
Only recently did I come out to my parents as wanting to contain black olives. They acted accepting, but I know they hate black olives.
Post by: SealyStar on October 16, 2012, 08:29:48 pm
Wow... I sure hope those are troll posts. This reaffirms my belief: anyone who feels out of place in their body is either a). the 1% who actually have a problem or b). the 99% that just claim that to complain.
"A toddler and a flying dog cannot do work intended for an adult human". No, they can't... and that's why you're an adult human, dipshit.
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 16, 2012, 08:31:57 pm
anyone who feels out of place in their bodyAs a pizza, I prefer the term "pastry".
Post by: Vorthon on October 16, 2012, 09:03:23 pm
Also: Heheheheheheheheh otherkin make me giggle.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 16, 2012, 09:10:30 pm
Post by: Yoink on October 16, 2012, 09:15:36 pm
As a bread loaf, I do not identify with pizzas at all, although I respect them for their differences.
Post by: SealyStar on October 16, 2012, 09:16:19 pm
Hell no. That's offensive. >:(
As a bread loaf, I do not identify with pizzas at all, although I respect them for their differences.
I'm a jelly donut born in a croissant's body D:
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 16, 2012, 09:16:26 pm
...The gluten?
Post by: misko27 on October 16, 2012, 09:17:22 pm
Pizza probably falls under the category of "bread," albeit one with lots of toppings.It also hsas tomato sauca, a fruit. if you put pepperoni on it, is also meat. Cheese too. Grain, fruit, Meat, Cheese, pizza is awesome.
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 16, 2012, 09:17:32 pm
Hell no. That's offensive. >:(Can you find the prepared meal?
As a bread loaf, I do not identify with pizzas at all, although I respect them for their differences.
☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺%☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺
No. You can't. Because pastries are people too. Respect our differences.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 16, 2012, 09:27:45 pm
So, what's going on here? Well, part of the problem is that identities are actually beliefs (right or wrong ones), not labels. Most of the time, they are labels, of the form "I am an X"="I believe that [traits of X apply to me]". Nobody will really say that a man who believes in the god of the Koran and not those of the Vedas but, for whatever batshit reason, calls himself a Hindu is a Hindu; he's a Muslim. This may sound like glossing over important differences, but affirming a full and complete separation of belief and identity leads you to some confusing and nonsensical conclusions. And this works the other way, as we shall see.
Why is this important? Well, do my highly tolerant and accepting friends condemn Todd Akin? You bet they do. Now, if what Todd Akin were saying were true and women couldn't get pregnant from rape, he would just be stating a fact and they would be engaging in denialism. But he's not. That what he is saying is false and that he's being a misogynistic asshole is actually completely irrelevant here. Todd Akin says "women can't get pregnant from rape"; this is equivalent to "Hi, I'm Todd Akin and I identify as someone who thinks women can't get pregnant from rape." By saying that Todd Akin is being a misogynistic jerkass- or, sorry, making a moral judgment with regards to his being a misogynistic jerkass, since this is a distinction we do need to make- you are condemning an identity. But you told ME that identities are unjudgeable- and, furthermore, you are judging me for saying that at least some identities are judgeable, a belief I am holding, equivalent to an unspoken identity "I identify as someone who judges certain identities". This is a contradiction.
It's stuff like this that makes me not like postmodernism. I have no problem with analyzing issues from a minority viewpoint- indeed it's often the only way to analyze an issue. But let's not pretend that we can condemn the status quo while letting minorities get a free ride. Or we can- but then we chuck any pretenses at universality and consistency out the window. That's fine with some postmodernists, I'm sure, given that- as per the Sokal Hoax- postmodernism and sociology seem to be content to tell science that they are better at science than science is.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 16, 2012, 09:31:00 pm
What you believe only represents... well, what you believe. It's a specific part of you, rather than "you" as a whole.
I don't really care about otherkin/whatever because they're simply not harming anyone. Therefore, I will not judge. Period.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 16, 2012, 09:44:20 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 16, 2012, 10:02:03 pm
And when it comes to who you are, who's a better authority on that than you?
Post by: bombzero on October 16, 2012, 10:06:05 pm
Quote from: praphrasing of some extreme idiots who seem to really hate furries
Dude, liking furry porn is worse then bestiality at least bestiality is natural.
I am both concerned and slightly disturbed by this. multiple people actually agreed with this sentiment.
Post by: Vorthon on October 16, 2012, 10:07:22 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 16, 2012, 10:09:34 pm
...Quote from: praphrasing of some extreme idiots who seem to really hate furriesDude, liking furry porn is worse then bestiality at least bestiality is natural.
I am both concerned and slightly disturbed by this. multiple people actually agreed with this sentiment.
PETA would go apopleptic over this. They probably like furry cause of its naturization of humans. Bestality is just sexual brutality.
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 16, 2012, 10:10:05 pm
That is worrying.Quote from: praphrasing of some extreme idiots who seem to really hate furriesDude, liking furry porn is worse then bestiality at least bestiality is natural.
I am both concerned and slightly disturbed by this. multiple people actually agreed with this sentiment.
I'm opposed to either, but... equally... so? And only because I don't want to watch any? and oh god what natural why
Post by: Scelly9 on October 16, 2012, 10:10:51 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 16, 2012, 10:11:26 pm
Why the heck would you be opposed to furry porn?
No idea. I'm not opposed to any porn. I just don't want to watch some of it.
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 16, 2012, 10:11:57 pm
Why the heck would you be opposed to furry porn?Because I don't want to watch it.
It's the word I thought of first, okay?!
Post by: Reelya on October 16, 2012, 10:12:39 pm
Post by: Corai on October 16, 2012, 10:13:44 pm
Why would someone think My Little Pony Porn was unnatural? Pfff
Damn you for posting this before me.
Post by: misko27 on October 16, 2012, 10:13:57 pm
Not wanting to wwatch it is not the same as having a ethical problem with it. I don't watch C-Span, but I don't think they are immoral (bad example).Why the heck would you be opposed to furry porn?Because I don't want to watch it.
It's the word I thought of first, okay?!
Why would someone think My Little Pony Porn was unnatural? PfffBecause theres too much of it. Some of us don't want to be watching animal sex.
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 16, 2012, 10:15:17 pm
yes that is why I accidentally wordsNot wanting to wwatch it is not the same as having a ethical problem with it. I don't watch C-Span, but I don't think they are immoral (bad example).Why the heck would you be opposed to furry porn?Because I don't want to watch it.
It's the word I thought of first, okay?!
words why do what
Post by: Vorthon on October 16, 2012, 10:16:39 pm
Yah. I'll stick with stuff where the critters are anthropomorphic. Feral stuff in general just kind of makes me uncomfortable.Why would someone think My Little Pony Porn was unnatural? PfffBecause theres too much of it. Some of us don't want to be watching animal sex.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 16, 2012, 10:19:33 pm
Post by: bombzero on October 16, 2012, 10:28:22 pm
Heck some of my favorite porn is furry porn. Granted, I don't really get anything out of the "furry" portion, but still.
It's honestly probably the community with the most talented artists.
Also, MLP porn, I will hunt down and beat senseless whoever thought that qualified as something valid to post on furry sites...
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 16, 2012, 10:41:42 pm
"When individual interests trump the greater good by 1%, the shift to Socialism will be unstoppable."
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-21_jyYvyZxo/T16-fJ9X6oI/AAAAAAAADqI/HaJaKxYuxfg/s1600/themoreyouknow.jpg)
Post by: Vorthon on October 16, 2012, 10:44:16 pm
...I... ...What... ...Buh?
Also, I still don't get why people seem to get a hate-boner against socialism.
Post by: misko27 on October 16, 2012, 10:45:48 pm
/me brain has implodedBecause. Is represent the biggest government possible in their heads, therefore is most evil.
...I... ...What... ...Buh?
Also, I still don't get why people seem to get a hate-boner against socialism.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on October 16, 2012, 10:57:21 pm
Today, on the Internet, from one of Conservapedia's most valued and insane contributors' blog:Man, those guy have got commies down to a science.
"When individual interests trump the greater good by 1%, the shift to Socialism will be unstoppable."
I mean, seriously 1%? Clearly without the intervention of those brave souls, we'd be praying before the reanimated corpses of Lenin, Hitler & Darwin.
Brought back to life with stem cells, of course.
Post by: Reelya on October 16, 2012, 11:10:04 pm
Post by: Montague on October 16, 2012, 11:30:42 pm
Also I imagine because Socialism hasn't worked out very well historically. It's purpose was 'the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress and peace' and in practice it accomplished quite the opposite.
It'll work better next time, surely, if we all just believe hard enough.
Post by: Descan on October 16, 2012, 11:33:01 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 16, 2012, 11:38:35 pm
it's antithetical to the idea that a person has the right to exist for their own sake and their own actions belong to them.Probably because that's a ridiculous notion :P
Any sort of power carries responsibility. For one to have no obligation except to themselves, they'd have to live completely alone, with power over no one.
Post by: bombzero on October 16, 2012, 11:43:37 pm
It'll work better next time, surely, if we all just believe hard enough.
Funny, same can be said of democracies and republics...
Post by: Montague on October 16, 2012, 11:46:26 pm
it's antithetical to the idea that a person has the right to exist for their own sake and their own actions belong to them.Probably because that's a ridiculous notion :P
Any sort of power carries responsibility. For one to have no obligation except to themselves, they'd have to live completely alone, with power over no one.
They'd say, human relationships are ideally, voluntary. That people should be free to interact and deal with others as their own interests and convictions dictate. That involuntary relationships, like that between a slave and their master, are not really the kind of ethic they prefer. People don't need to be hermits to be free, but that even in a complex society, individual rights and voluntary agreements hold greater moral value then involuntary obligations to others.
It'll work better next time, surely, if we all just believe hard enough.
Funny, same can be said of democracies and republics...
They might not be perfect, but historically, people in socialist countries braved walls and barbed wire and machinegun fire to go live in democracies and republics, not the other way around.
Post by: misko27 on October 16, 2012, 11:49:52 pm
*Throws down Gauntelt*It'll work better next time, surely, if we all just believe hard enough.
Funny, same can be said of democracies and republics...
So, what do you propose is a better idea?
Post by: Descan on October 16, 2012, 11:50:24 pm
Who'da thunk it.
Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)
I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
Post by: misko27 on October 16, 2012, 11:52:31 pm
Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!CANADA? FUCK CANADA.
Who'da thunk it.Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)
I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.
Post by: bombzero on October 16, 2012, 11:52:43 pm
*Throws down Gauntelt*It'll work better next time, surely, if we all just believe hard enough.
Funny, same can be said of democracies and republics...
So, what do you propose is a better idea?
Actually yes, but it's quite lengthy and complicated to explain, yet simple in practice.
Of course like all "good" governments it would only delay the inevitable corruptions and decay.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 16, 2012, 11:54:53 pm
Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!CANADA? FUCK CANADA.
Who'da thunk it.Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)
I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.
Canada is like France. Surprisingly badass.
Post by: misko27 on October 16, 2012, 11:57:18 pm
I am reminded of that quote whos name I forget.*Throws down Gauntelt*It'll work better next time, surely, if we all just believe hard enough.
Funny, same can be said of democracies and republics...
So, what do you propose is a better idea?
Actually yes, but it's quite lengthy and complicated to explain, yet simple in practice.
Of course like all "good" governments it would only delay the inevitable corruptions and decay.
There will never be a government like that of heaven on earth. For even if a perfect individual were to come and make it perfect, he would be suceeeded by a imperfect individual, and the cycle would begin anew.
No. No its not.Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!CANADA? FUCK CANADA.
Who'da thunk it.Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)
I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.
Canada is like France. Surprisingly badass.
Post by: Descan on October 16, 2012, 11:58:00 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 16, 2012, 11:58:23 pm
:cSorry. Stilll sucks though.
Post by: bombzero on October 16, 2012, 11:59:29 pm
There will never be a government like that of heaven on eaerth. For even if a perfect individual were to come and make it perfect, he would be suceeeded by a imperect individual, and the cycle would begin anew.
Sad but true.
Post by: Montague on October 17, 2012, 12:00:57 am
Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!
Who'da thunk it.Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)
I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
Maybe Rush Limbaugh defines these places as being socialist, but none of those countries could be described as socialist countries or even economic systems that could be considered as such. Mixed-economy or 'welfare state' maybe, certainly not socialism.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 17, 2012, 12:15:32 am
No. No its not.Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!CANADA? FUCK CANADA.
Who'da thunk it.Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)
I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.
Canada is like France. Surprisingly badass.
Okay. You're an idiot.
Canada:
-Canadian troops in WW2 were far more feared than Americans or anyone else, by the Germans.
-Canadians also composed one of the smallest groups in the war.
-This means that half as many Canadians made a impression twice as good.
France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
Post by: Descan on October 17, 2012, 12:17:17 am
Again: Socialism =/= Communism.
Socialism =/= Communism.
Socialism =/= Communism.
Socialism =/= Communism.
Socialism =/= Communism.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 17, 2012, 12:18:15 am
Post by: kaijyuu on October 17, 2012, 12:19:52 am
I think Descan is trying to say that socialism isn't the same as communism.That just means he's a commie-nazi.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 17, 2012, 12:20:51 am
Post by: Hanslanda on October 17, 2012, 12:20:59 am
I think Descan is trying to say that socialism isn't the same as communism.That just means he's a commie-nazi.
Communists hated Nazis. Nazis hated Communists.
Fascism =/= Communism.
Post by: Descan on October 17, 2012, 12:22:12 am
We must take the money from the Jews and the homosexuals and give them to the workers of the world!
... Wait, that's what they did. Holy shit.
Post by: Corai on October 17, 2012, 12:23:04 am
Heil Stalin, Fuhrer of the Third Soviet State!
We must take the money from the Jews and the homosexuals and give them to the workers of the world!
... Wait, that's what they did. Holy shit.
Going in the OOC thread.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 17, 2012, 12:28:24 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqkI think Descan is trying to say that socialism isn't the same as communism.That just means he's a commie-nazi.
Communists hated Nazis. Nazis hated Communists.
Fascism =/= Communism.
Post by: misko27 on October 17, 2012, 12:29:30 am
Napolean was very similar to hitler, in strategy and in methods. Except for the Genocide. Oh wait no, did that too.No. No its not.Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!CANADA? FUCK CANADA.
Who'da thunk it.Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)
I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.
Canada is like France. Surprisingly badass.
Okay. You're an idiot.
Canada:
-Canadian troops in WW2 were far more feared than Americans or anyone else, by the Germans.
-Canadians also composed one of the smallest groups in the war.
-This means that half as many Canadians made a impression twice as good.
France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
Counter-arguement:
Yugoslavia:
Only country to self-liberate during WW2
The Mother Fucking PARTISANS BITCH. DON"T MESS WITH THE PARTISANS. They be out, traveling the mountains at night waiting, getting stronger tambien. and this wasn't a ARAYN nation like France oh no, where hitler used BASIC HUMAN RESTRAINT.
-Code-name for invasion of Yugoslavia: Operation Punishment. Why? Because they deposed the king when he supported Nazism. Did the french do that? I THINK NOT.
-Total Losses, 1 million. FUCK THE CANADIANS AND FRENCH.
-Not only that, but they also had to deal with Loyalist backstabber anti-resistance.
Canadas grand contribution to the war was hiding the Dutch royal family.
And lets not get STARTED on the other slavic countries.
Post by: Montague on October 17, 2012, 12:30:21 am
No. They're socialist. Everyone thinks of them as socialist. Sweden especially is considered socialist. Universal healthcare, disability welfare, redistributed wealth, higher taxes on the richer fellows, the whole nine yards. The most you could say that they aren't socialist is because not everyone gets a cheque from the government. But I'd consider that the only thing. And even that's not a requirement for socialism.
A quick google search could probably clarify your confusion over what socialism is or if it applies to any of these states, even Sweden. They might have a 'socialist party' in their parliament, but that doesn't make the state a socialist state with socialist public policy.
Anyways, the original question was why some people don't like socialism and I thought I made that clear. They don't like systems like Sweden has either. Same general idea though, some people reject the morality of having the money they earned forcibly taken by law, for no benefit to themselves and given to somebody that didn't earn for dubious reasons.
So it goes back to personal accountability and individual rights and responsibility vs involuntary obligations and duties.
Also, there isn't much difference in a fundamental sense, between Nazi Socialism and regular commie/socialism. Vietnam invaded Cambodia and China hated the Soviets and Leninists hated Stalinists, Trotskities hated Leninists too. Mensheviks hated Bolsheviks.
Just because they hate each other doesn't make them dissimilar. Same basic ideas form the basis for their ideologies, same as with Nazis and Commies.
Post by: misko27 on October 17, 2012, 12:31:41 am
Just because they hate each other doesn't make them dissimilar. Same basic ideas form the basis for their ideologies, same as with Nazis and Commies.\Watch me sum ths up elegantly. The Extremes Meet.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 17, 2012, 12:41:25 am
Napolean was very similar to hitler, in strategy and in methods. Except for the Genocide. Oh wait no, did that too.No. No its not.Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!CANADA? FUCK CANADA.
Who'da thunk it.Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)
I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.
Canada is like France. Surprisingly badass.
Okay. You're an idiot.
Canada:
-Canadian troops in WW2 were far more feared than Americans or anyone else, by the Germans.
-Canadians also composed one of the smallest groups in the war.
-This means that half as many Canadians made a impression twice as good.
France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
Counter-arguement:
Yugoslavia:
Only country to self-liberate during WW2
The Mother Fucking PARTISANS BITCH. DON"T MESS WITH THE PARTISANS. They be out, traveling the mountains at night waiting, getting stronger tambien. and this wasn't a ARAYN nation like France oh no, where hitler used BASIC HUMAN RESTRAINT.
-Code-name for invasion of Yugoslavia: Operation Punishment. Why? Because they deposed the king when he supported Nazism. Did the french do that? I THINK NOT.
-Total Losses, 1 million. FUCK THE CANADIANS AND FRENCH.
-Not only that, but they also had to deal with Loyalist backstabber anti-resistance.
Canadas grand contribution to the war was hiding the Dutch royal family.
And lets not get STARTED on the other slavic countries.
Oh, sigh. You know having more losses than the other team isn't a good thing, right?
Post by: Reelya on October 17, 2012, 12:42:22 am
Because Socialism is the idea a person's life and their work do not belong to them, but belong to society, thus it's antithetical to the idea that a person has the right to exist for their own sake and their own actions belong to them.
Also I imagine because Socialism hasn't worked out very well historically. It's purpose was 'the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress and peace' and in practice it accomplished quite the opposite.
It'll work better next time, surely, if we all just believe hard enough.
This is nowhere near a correct reading of what socialism is about. The ideal in Marxist socialism is a stateless federation of cooperative councils with voluntary membership and direct democratic decision making at the local level.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 17, 2012, 12:43:01 am
Because Socialism is the idea a person's life and their work do not belong to them, but belong to society, thus it's antithetical to the idea that a person has the right to exist for their own sake and their own actions belong to them.
Also I imagine because Socialism hasn't worked out very well historically. It's purpose was 'the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress and peace' and in practice it accomplished quite the opposite.
It'll work better next time, surely, if we all just believe hard enough.
This is nowhere near a correct reading of what socialism is about. The ideal in Marxist socialism is a stateless federation of cooperative councils with voluntary membership and direct democratic decision making at the local level.
That would be amazing.
Post by: misko27 on October 17, 2012, 12:49:43 am
No, it shows cowardice. Guess what? If you can hide in a cave and take potshots at the enemy, you will kill more. However, at the end of the day, you are still living in THEIR country hiding in a tree.Napolean was very similar to hitler, in strategy and in methods. Except for the Genocide. Oh wait no, did that too.No. No its not.Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!CANADA? FUCK CANADA.
Who'da thunk it.Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)
I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.
Canada is like France. Surprisingly badass.
Okay. You're an idiot.
Canada:
-Canadian troops in WW2 were far more feared than Americans or anyone else, by the Germans.
-Canadians also composed one of the smallest groups in the war.
-This means that half as many Canadians made a impression twice as good.
France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
Counter-arguement:
Yugoslavia:
Only country to self-liberate during WW2
The Mother Fucking PARTISANS BITCH. DON"T MESS WITH THE PARTISANS. They be out, traveling the mountains at night waiting, getting stronger tambien. and this wasn't a ARAYN nation like France oh no, where hitler used BASIC HUMAN RESTRAINT.
-Code-name for invasion of Yugoslavia: Operation Punishment. Why? Because they deposed the king when he supported Nazism. Did the french do that? I THINK NOT.
-Total Losses, 1 million. FUCK THE CANADIANS AND FRENCH.
-Not only that, but they also had to deal with Loyalist backstabber anti-resistance.
Canadas grand contribution to the war was hiding the Dutch royal family.
And lets not get STARTED on the other slavic countries.
Oh, sigh. You know having more losses than the other team isn't a good thing, right?
Seriously though now, end this here. Over half of my entire extended family died resisting the Fascist Armies. My own Grandfather was deported to a Concentration camp. And lived. He was the only survivor out of 9 children in his family. I'm just a little sensitive about this, and I will punch your face through the Computer screen if I feel offended. I'm serious. I Will punch you so hard your grandchildren will have headaches.
Post by: Montague on October 17, 2012, 12:51:44 am
Just because they hate each other doesn't make them dissimilar. Same basic ideas form the basis for their ideologies, same as with Nazis and Commies.\Watch me sum ths up elegantly. The Extremes Meet.
Except not really. Nazis and commies were both militant, collectivist ideologies. They placed the state above the individual. They also killed alot of said individuals in the name of their ideology. Both had planned economies, massive propaganda, secret police, political killings, banning of political parties, deprivation of individual rights, suppression of free speech.
Nazi Germany and the USSR were even nominally allied for a minute, while they were carving up Poland. It was Hitler being crazy and invading Russia that started the war, not because of any ideological struggle.
It's harder to find things they were distinct from one another then anything else. Different rhetoric and propaganda styles, perhaps?
Different flavors of Kool-aid, really.
Because Socialism is the idea a person's life and their work do not belong to them, but belong to society, thus it's antithetical to the idea that a person has the right to exist for their own sake and their own actions belong to them.
Also I imagine because Socialism hasn't worked out very well historically. It's purpose was 'the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress and peace' and in practice it accomplished quite the opposite.
It'll work better next time, surely, if we all just believe hard enough.
This is nowhere near a correct reading of what socialism is about. The ideal in Marxist socialism is a stateless federation of cooperative councils with voluntary membership and direct democratic decision making at the local level.
tbh, they do that in legit communes here and there. It still doesn't work well, even on a small scale, voluntary system with few people like in a commune. I think if people really believe in the merits of such a system, they should go live in a commune and experience it first hand. OR make their own commune if they think they have a purer, better vision of how to make such a system work.
All kinda like religious folks. I think they too should go live in a monastery or commune and leave everybody else alone from their delusional ideas.
Post by: Reelya on October 17, 2012, 01:07:58 am
Try running the Third Reich with half a dozen people. Then say Nazism would have been an ineffective way to manage a nation.
Want to know what a democratic socialist workplace would look like? look up Ricardo Semler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Semler) CEO of Semco in Brazil, he radically changed the company he inherited from his father to be run in a democratic fashion, similar to how you could run things under Marxism. The result - they went from $4 million a year to $200 million a year in revenue. Because the workers get half the profits, they work hard.
I find it hard to believe workers will bust a gut for half the profits without needing to be whipped, while the right-wingers would have us believe that if they were working for 100% of the profits, they'd get lazy.
saying adult workers won't work for their own interests, but need a "boss" to hold the whip to them, is the true heights of paternalism, whether government or corporate-style. Because we're constantly told how if the bosses get more money, it'll incentivize them to boost productivity. It seems it's opposite day, every day, when talking about the effect of profits on rich or poor.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Montague on October 17, 2012, 01:22:35 am
Actually, it works BETTER in a large system with skilled individuals and formalized democratic procedures / profit sharing. A small unskilled bunch of hippies not being able to boost-strap a corporation proves nothing. Different systems succeed on different scales.
Try running the Third Reich with half a dozen people. Then say Nazism would have been an ineffective way to manage a nation.
Want to know what a democratic socialist workplace would look like? look up Ricardo Semler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Semler) CEO of Semco in Brazil, he radically changed the company he inherited from his father to be run in a democratic fashion, similar to how you could run things under Marxism. The result - they went from $4 million a year to $200 million a year in revenue. Because the workers get half the profits, they work hard.
I find it hard to believe workers will bust a gut for half the profits without needing to be whipped, while the right-wingers would have us believe that if they were working for 100% of the profits, they'd get lazy.
Basically Marx's "socialism" stage, talked about workers talking control of the workplace, i.e. employee owned corporations run democratically (by a council called a commune), just like the example of Semco. Marx's fundamental idea, and it took me a while to realize this, is that if the workers ARE the shareholders, then there is no fundamental enmity, no labor/management disputes, no unions. In fact, the unions are weak in Semco, because the conditions are so good and everyone gets a vote on company decisions.
saying adult workers won't work for their own interests, but need a "boss" to hold the whip to them, is the true heights of paternalism, whether government or corporate-style. In Marx's model there is no room for bosses, whether they be company bosses, party bosses, union bosses, or government bosses.
Ok, so you are saying you really need a top-down authority to make a communist model work? Doesn't require voluntary association? Isn't against everything it's supposed to be?
Marx envisioned world-wide revolution, when it became obvious his system worked better then any other system. Didn't quite work out like that, the nations that had such revolutions had living conditions and situations that were not really ideal models to show off the merits his ideas. So doesn't the ' stateless federation of cooperative councils with voluntary membership and direct democratic decision' model work at least at the lowest level? Is there no commune or community where these ideals took hold and attracted other people to join them?
Just saying, at a very basic level this requires voluntary consent, if the system cannot attract or convince anybody to live in it, what does that say about it's credibility as a system? I'm assuming nobody here lives on a hippie commune.
So the only solution is forcing people to live under the system if voluntary associations are not plausible? I think they tried that model before too and it didn't quite work out how they hoped it would.
Post by: Reelya on October 17, 2012, 01:24:40 am
Read up on Semco. Each work group votes to elect a coordinator, on an ad-hoc basis. The only governing body in the company is the forum of all coordinators.
Agreed rules that the company works by, ensures that everyone gets a fair share of the profits, and knows that if they work hard, it adds to the bottom line, and everyone profits. At Semco there is also virtually zero theft, because you're stealing from yourself and your friends. There are also no unions, because if the workers elect the management themselves, just who are the union going to argue with?
and it's bosses who get sacked by the workers at Semco, not the other way around. At Semco they need 2/3rds majority vote to sack people. So you're not screwed because you didn't suck up to the right person.
Post by: Descan on October 17, 2012, 01:26:25 am
And a few other communes, I can't think of their names and I don't really care about you enough to check on them, but again, stamped on by the army.
Kind of a recurring theme, the whole... army, thing.
Post by: Montague on October 17, 2012, 01:31:10 am
Well, there was the Paris commune. Which got stamped out by the army.
And a few other communes, I can't think of their names and I don't really care about you enough to check on them, but again, stamped on by the army.
Kind of a recurring theme, the whole... army, thing.
I was implying the 'hippie' communes in the USA and elsewhere. http://eastwind.org/ (http://eastwind.org/) and such places. They are perfectly legal in the USA due to it's laws about voluntary association and clubs and everything. Nobody is forced to live in such a commune for similar ideas on individual freedoms. The army thing defends their rights to voluntary association, rather then crushing it, in these cases.
Post by: Reelya on October 17, 2012, 01:34:26 am
Marx envisioned world-wide revolution, when it became obvious his system worked better then any other system. Didn't quite work out like that, the nations that had such revolutions had living conditions and situations that were not really ideal models to show off the merits his ideas. So doesn't the ' stateless federation of cooperative councils with voluntary membership and direct democratic decision' model work at least at the lowest level? Is there no commune or community where these ideals took hold and attracted other people to join them?
Russia and China didn't implement worker's ownership of the corporations, and Marx actually advocated against government dictatorship as just the same old system with a new face.
If it doesn't involve democratic workplaces owned by the workers, it isn't Marxism by definition, it's some other form that he NEVER advocated, so it's not a relevant critique of Marx.
It's like blaming Jesus for the actions of the crusades.
Post by: Descan on October 17, 2012, 01:35:41 am
Post by: Reelya on October 17, 2012, 01:44:51 am
Marx was really just about removing share-holders of existing corporations and funneling the profits back into the workers pockets, and replacing the board of directors with an elected congress. Such a corporation would still be free to operate as a for-profit company.
such arrangements are common and expected in white-collar environments - medical practices, legal practices, IT partnerships, etc.
Post by: Montague on October 17, 2012, 01:59:06 am
Those have a whole lot more baggage attached to them that makes them undesirable for people to join. From the practical, such as the shunning of technology and doing everything by hand. To the more emotional, since Hippy is kind of a dirty word and people don't want to be associated with it.
Well, that's why I put 'hippie' in scare quotes and just said it to clarify what I meant. I don't think all communes need have anything to do with that. There are other such communities/communes and projects that are not as agrarian hippie styled, but east wind is one of the most prominent leftist ones. A lot of leftists say early tribal humans practiced an egalitarian, property-less model of society and want to return to that, hence communes like East Wind.
On the other hand I'm a bit dubious of something like a co-op or whatever egalitarian corporation, that just hires employees and competes in a capitalist system. They are are not communist, it's just a business model.
So you say communism/ socialism, whatever is impossible without educated and skilled people and an established industrial base and everything else... then my question point is, if communism cannot be achieved through voluntary association, then it seems it cannot exist on it's own merit, even when it's let alone by the powers-that-be. So the only alternative is that it must come about through violence and subjugation, dictatorship, killing, deprivation of individual freedom and human rights, as it has come about historically.
Marx was pretty sure it could happen on it's own merit. Not just happen slowly or democratically, but it would be too obviously awesome for anybody to accept anything less then absolute communist as soon as they heard about it. It was just a problem of dealing with the powers-that-be to implement it and even then, victory was assured and the worker's and proletarian would bring the system about.
Seems kinda like the reverse of that happened.
The hippie idea of a commune and all the anti-tech is little to do with Marx's ideas at all.
Marx was really just about removing share-holders of existing corporations and funneling the profits back into the workers pockets, and replacing the board of directors with an elected congress. Such a corporation would still be free to operate as a for-profit company.
such arrangements are common and expected in white-collar environments - medical practices, legal practices, IT partnerships, etc.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds more like Syndicalism then anything Marx said. Marx was about putting the means of production into the worker's hands, that profits were parasitism and believed in a society without property, not about co-ops or credit union type business models or firms that function in a capitalist system.
Post by: Reelya on October 17, 2012, 03:35:37 am
A lot of leftists say early tribal humans practiced an egalitarian, property-less model of society and want to return to that, hence communes like East Wind.And specifically nothing to do with any of the ideas i proposed.
On the other hand I'm a bit dubious of something like a co-op or whatever egalitarian corporation, that just hires employees and competes in a capitalist system. They are are not communist, it's just a business model.I never once said "communist", that's a straw-man. Since i never made anything like that claim, you disproving it proves nothing. I said it was an example of how a socialist workplace might be organized. There are many branches of socialist ideas, this falls under one of them.
So you say communism/ socialism, whatever is impossible without educated and skilled people and an established industrial base and everything else... then my question point is, if communism cannot be achieved through voluntary association, then it seems it cannot exist on it's own merit, even when it's let alone by the powers-that-be. So the only alternative is that it must come about through violence and subjugation, dictatorship, killing, deprivation of individual freedom and human rights, as it has come about historically.No, i didn't EVEN say communism, nor socialism in relation to this point. Actually, i've never said communism at all during this conversation, it's a word you keep shoving in my mouth.
You said co-operatives corporations don't work. I replied out that co-operatives are more successful when they consist of people with the relevant work skills and decent organization, as opposed to the hippie communes you were using as an counter example. That point had nothing at all to do with advocating any political system.
how you keep going from me advocating democratic workplaces (which definitely come under a branch of socialist thinking) to some neo-nazi / fascist / communist dystopia is beyond me.
To reiterate the whole conversation: I'm advocating a model of market socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism), based on voluntary-association democratic corporations. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workplace_democracy) If you want to throw stuff about gulags and hippies and communists back against that feel free, but it's nothing to do with what I've been advocating.
Post by: Yoink on October 17, 2012, 04:01:47 am
France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
:-\
...You are dead to me. Or, rather, French to me, which is arguably far worse.
Post by: Montague on October 17, 2012, 04:34:25 am
I never once said "communist", that's a straw-man. Since i never made anything like that claim, you disproving it proves nothing. I said it was an example of how a socialist workplace might be organized. There are many branches of socialist ideas, this falls under one of them.
No, i didn't EVEN say communism, nor socialism in relation to this point. Actually, i've never said communism at all during this conversation, it's a word you keep shoving in my mouth.
You said co-operatives corporations don't work. I replied out that co-operatives are more successful when they consist of people with the relevant work skills and decent organization, as opposed to the hippie communes you were using as an counter example.
how you keep going from me advocating democratic workplaces (which definitely come under a branch of socialist thinking) to some neo-nazi / fascist / communist dystopia is beyond me.
To reiterate the whole conversation: I'm advocating a model of market socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism), based on voluntary-association democratic corporations. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workplace_democracy) If you want to throw stuff about gulags and hippies and communists back against that feel free, but it's nothing to do with what I've been advocating.
Well, I just went sort of off track there and most of the stuff about gulags and hippies wasn't really addressed to anybody in particular. I did respond to what you said though, that egalitarian businesses are not communist. So there you go.
I really have no compunctions with democratic workplaces, or profit sharing or labor unions or anything like that. It's just a business model, like I said. I believe the reason they are not more widespread or is that they have trouble expanding and staying competitive and paying pensions/obligations and such things down the road without capitalists/ investors and stockholders and the such. Otherwise there obviously isn't any problem with it.
Socialism would be making such workplace democracy mandatory for every firm or something, or an enterprise based around such an enterprise. A software firm without a board of directors or shareholders and egalitarian decision making isn't really Socialism, (because they can get off at 5 and go home without worrying about secret police abducting them from their beds, of course.)
Though it might be kind screwed up if a bunch of newly hired janitors and security guards or whoever got a majority and voted to fire all the workers that hired them and then proceeded to liquidate all the firm's assets and close the business or something.
Post by: Oliolli on October 17, 2012, 04:47:44 am
No. No its not.Oh, hey! Guys, apparently people are running for the borders in Sweden, Germany, France, the U.K., AND CANADA!CANADA? FUCK CANADA.
Who'da thunk it.Spoiler: BY THE WAY (click to show/hide)
I have no patience for this bullshit, someone else can handle the rest.
LETS NUKE THE SYRUP-CONSUMING MOOSE-MONGERS.
Canada is like France. Surprisingly badass.
Okay. You're an idiot.
Canada:
-Canadian troops in WW2 were far more feared than Americans or anyone else, by the Germans.
-Canadians also composed one of the smallest groups in the war.
-This means that half as many Canadians made a impression twice as good.
France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
Any love for Finland?
-Went to war with the Third Reich and the USSR -- TWICE. Still remained independent.
-Only country that has paid all the war reparations from WWII.
-This stuff. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9cHkMILP4_A/Su8p3GFJJOI/AAAAAAAABHc/yywQlkVuUD4/s800/fdccax.jpg)
-Simo Häyhä
By the way - also a social democracy.
Post by: scriver on October 17, 2012, 04:54:30 am
No. They're socialist. Everyone thinks of them as socialist. Sweden especially is considered socialist. Universal healthcare, disability welfare, redistributed wealth, higher taxes on the richer fellows, the whole nine yards. The most you could say that they aren't socialist is because not everyone gets a cheque from the government. But I'd consider that the only thing. And even that's not a requirement for socialism.
A quick google search could probably clarify your confusion over what socialism is or if it applies to any of these states, even Sweden. They might have a 'socialist party' in their parliament, but that doesn't make the state a socialist state with socialist public policy.
If your definition of socialism does not include the European systems, you should probably rethink that definition. Because that's just ridiculous.
Socialism would be making such workplace democracy mandatory for every firm or something
Oh wait. This is the problem. You can't think of socialism as anything else than in black and white terms, where it is the extremest of the extreme. I guess the USA isn't capitalist either, then, by that line of reasoning.
...You are dead to me. Or, rather, French to me, which is arguably far worse.
Dude, I know you're not serious, but there are Frenchmen on this forum too so take it down a notch.
Any love for Finland?
-Went to war with the Third Reich and the USSR -- TWICE. Still remained independent.
-Only country that has paid all the war reparations from WWII.
-http://This stuff. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9cHkMILP4_A/Su8p3GFJJOI/AAAAAAAABHc/yywQlkVuUD4/s800/fdccax.jpg)
-Simo Häyhä
-Allied with Hitler.
FAIL :P
Post by: Montague on October 17, 2012, 05:01:43 am
If your definition of socialism does not include the European systems, you should probably rethink that definition. Because that's just ridiculous.
Oh wait. This is the problem. You can't think of socialism as anything else than in black and white terms, where it is the extremest of the extreme. I guess the USA isn't capitalist either, then, by that line of reasoning.
Still not Socialist. Nobody seriously calls Canada or Sweden "Socialist". They have mixed-system economies, like the US does, or welfare states.
Actually, it doesn't matter, I forget there is an international audience here and political terminology isn't universal.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on October 17, 2012, 06:17:01 am
Also, from my mother:
"If you laugh at Stupid people on the internet, you're just like a white supremacist!"
Post by: Hanslanda on October 17, 2012, 10:15:32 am
France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
:-\
...You are dead to me. Or, rather, French to me, which is arguably far worse.
And now I have to explain my mind-boggling hypocrisy. Just because I think France is badass doesn't mean I like them. See, there are really only two races of people in the whole world I could be considered racist toward, and that would be France, and Japan. I don't really hate the French or Japanese, I just don't trust them at all. Japan because like fifty percent of their social conventions are basically, "Lie to your face!" and France because they're French.
But that doesn't mean I won't admit France is incredibly badass, despite Misko's need to be right on this for some reason.
Post by: Oliolli on October 17, 2012, 10:17:47 am
Any love for Finland?
-Went to war with the Third Reich and the USSR -- TWICE. Still remained independent.
-Only country that has paid all the war reparations from WWII.
-http://This stuff. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9cHkMILP4_A/Su8p3GFJJOI/AAAAAAAABHc/yywQlkVuUD4/s800/fdccax.jpg)
-Simo Häyhä
-Allied with Hitler.
FAIL :P
And the only ones to do that and not get conquered.
Seriously though, there is a lot of debate among Finnish historians on wether or not Finland allied with Germany or if they just were at war with a common foe. For the record, I think that yes, Finland did ally with Germany.
Post by: RedKing on October 17, 2012, 10:34:02 am
When *this* is just another day of training...
Spoiler: Ooh, let's have a polar bear picnic! (click to show/hide)
then I'm kinda terrified all around. One, that everything is covered in a thick wall of white, frozen hell. Two, that Finns enjoy living there.
Also, this guy:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: miauw62 on October 17, 2012, 11:07:42 am
Fun fact: the French treat potatoes like vegetables.France:
-Fucking. Napoleon.
-Hundred years war.
-WW2, French Resistance.
-They're badass. Very badass. Just they like cheese. And wine.
:-\
...You are dead to me. Or, rather, French to me, which is arguably far worse.
And now I have to explain my mind-boggling hypocrisy. Just because I think France is badass doesn't mean I like them. See, there are really only two races of people in the whole world I could be considered racist toward, and that would be France, and Japan. I don't really hate the French or Japanese, I just don't trust them at all. Japan because like fifty percent of their social conventions are basically, "Lie to your face!" and France because they're French.
But that doesn't mean I won't admit France is incredibly badass, despite Misko's need to be right on this for some reason.
Post by: Darvi on October 17, 2012, 11:08:57 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 17, 2012, 11:10:33 am
Carrots are vegetables too, so I don't see the issue there. Except maybe for the fact that carrots don't have creeping tentacles of doom.Would you consider something that has creeping tentacles of doom a vegetable?
Post by: GoombaGeek on October 17, 2012, 11:10:55 am
One of my favorite winter hobbies is climbing to the top of a big ol' snow mound (clearing parking lots in national parks can get a mound ~11 feet high the entire width of the lot), jumping off and sliding down. You can do it with your jeans until they get waterlogged. (FAKEDIT: Ha ha, that sentence was innuendo. I hate everyone.)
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 17, 2012, 11:11:12 am
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 17, 2012, 11:12:07 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 17, 2012, 11:12:50 am
Those are the three ways you can categorize edible plants.
Post by: scriver on October 17, 2012, 11:14:36 am
-Allied with Hitler.
FAIL :P
And the only ones to do that and not get conquered.
Seriously though, there is a lot of debate among Finnish historians on wether or not Finland allied with Germany or if they just were at war with a common foe. For the record, I think that yes, Finland did ally with Germany.
Well, there's also Sweden. Although they weren't 100% allied either, just really, really good friends ;)
Post by: Darvi on October 17, 2012, 11:16:16 am
Yes.Carrots are vegetables too, so I don't see the issue there. Except maybe for the fact that carrots don't have creeping tentacles of doom.Would you consider something that has creeping tentacles of doom a vegetable?
∵I don't eat most kinds vegetables.
∵Horrorterrors, eg. Cfoofoo, have tentacles of doom.
∵I don't eat most kinds of horrorterrors.
∴Horrorterrors are vegetables.
Post by: da_nang on October 17, 2012, 11:18:59 am
Germany did have quite the interest in Sweden's balls and bars of steel...-Allied with Hitler.
FAIL :P
And the only ones to do that and not get conquered.
Seriously though, there is a lot of debate among Finnish historians on wether or not Finland allied with Germany or if they just were at war with a common foe. For the record, I think that yes, Finland did ally with Germany.
Well, there's also Sweden. Although they weren't 100% allied either, just really, really good friends ;)
Post by: misko27 on October 17, 2012, 11:26:42 am
Carrots are vegetables too, so I don't see the issue there. Except maybe for the fact that carrots don't have creeping tentacles of doom.They don't? I must have a chat with my grocer then. I KNEW creeping tentacles of doom is not proof they're ripe!
Post by: Graknorke on October 17, 2012, 01:12:47 pm
It's a scan of someone else's so while I didn't hear it, I have heard something extremely similar, so I'll just put it here.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 17, 2012, 01:21:15 pm
RESPECT! MAH! AUTHORITAH!
Post by: Karlito on October 17, 2012, 01:31:43 pm
Post by: RedKing on October 17, 2012, 01:43:57 pm
I answered Venus (because I KNEW it was hotter by virtue of having read it in many other books, even if I was only dimly aware of the reasons why).
Teacher marked it wrong. I fought her on it, and even brought in the encyclopedia from the library to prove my case. She said, "Yes but you weren't supposed to cheat. You were supposed to answer it based on the information the book gave you."
I responded with, "The book says which one do I *think* is hotter. I *think* Venus is hotter, BECAUSE IT IS."
It was shortly after this that my grandparents had a meeting with the teacher and principal and it was decided to move me up to 3rd grade after Christmas break. :P
And I have endeavored to instill that same attitude in my daughter now that she's in kindergarten. If you know you're right, and have evidence to back you up, then you stick to it, dammit! Unfortunately, this has backfired to a degree in that she's already learning to play rules-lawyer with me. And she's pretty damn good at it. :-\
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 17, 2012, 01:48:43 pm
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And I have endeavored to instill that same attitude in my daughter now that she's in kindergarten. If you know you're right, and have evidence to back you up, then you stick to it, dammit! Unfortunately, this has backfired to a degree in that she's already learning to play rules-lawyer with me. And she's pretty damn good at it.As a game master, I feel your pain.
Post by: Darvi on October 17, 2012, 01:56:31 pm
*snip*I should probably consider myself lucky that I never got points taken away for giving imaginary numbers as answers during the time period where that was an alien concept to students.
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 17, 2012, 02:01:11 pm
Two plus six equals the square root of one?*snip*I should probably consider myself lucky that I never got points taken away for giving imaginary numbers as answers during the time period where that was an alien concept to students.
(Yes I know that's wrong)
Post by: Graknorke on October 17, 2012, 02:01:41 pm
You mean the infamous "You don't need to know that." thing that all teachers seem to do?*snip*I should probably consider myself lucky that I never got points taken away for giving imaginary numbers as answers during the time period where that was an alien concept to students.
Post by: anzki4 on October 17, 2012, 02:10:55 pm
Basically, some one asked her why Earth only has one moon. Her answer was: "Earth is so small that it cannot maintain more than one moon."
That's right kids, it's all about the law of physics called Gravity-Maintenance. Objects need actively maintain their gravity and towards each individual object at that. If they don't, things just start floating away. I guess that's one reason why humans eat; after all, maintaining our own gravity must consume a lot of energy.
God, I'm getting tired of maintaining my gravity towards this keyboard. I'll stop maintaining it for a while. Ah... that's better.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 17, 2012, 02:21:56 pm
...
Why must I think of Lady Gaga singing about hardcore geology? D:
Post by: RedKing on October 17, 2012, 02:22:51 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 17, 2012, 02:30:21 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 17, 2012, 02:45:36 pm
I remember having that happen when I mentioned about the theory of antigravity in year 7, and when I knew about pulsars, quasars and black holes in year 5.That wasn't just me?
Also ignores things like the ISS and the hundreds of man-made satellites that soak up all that gravity. You should ask her if some day, we'll have so much space junk orbiting the Earth that gravity will start to fail down here.
Spoiler: The end is near (click to show/hide)
Post by: SealyStar on October 17, 2012, 02:51:56 pm
Don't hate on Luna, she was formed that way.
...
Why must I think of Lady Gaga singing about hardcore geology? D:
Children, chiiildren of the moooon... watch the wooorld go byy...
Post by: Reelya on October 17, 2012, 03:51:05 pm
All this school talk reminds me of some interesting interpretation of physics on my (geology) teacher's part.
Basically, some one asked her why Earth only has one moon. Her answer was: "Earth is so small that it cannot maintain more than one moon."
That's right kids, it's all about the law of physics called Gravity-Maintenance. Objects need actively maintain their gravity and towards each individual object at that. If they don't, things just start floating away. I guess that's one reason why humans eat; after all, maintaining our own gravity must consume a lot of energy.
God, I'm getting tired of maintaining my gravity towards this keyboard. I'll stop maintaining it for a while. Ah... that's better.
Of course this completely overlooks the well-known 2 moons of Mars.
There is some possible justification, but I'm not sure that teacher would be able to understand it. With 2 co-orbiting bodies, the equations are nice and simple classical dynamics. But when you add a third body (1 planet, 2 moons), it enters the realm of chaotic dynamics and it becomes practically impossible to predict long-term positions and velocities. It's possible that a 3 body system where all the bodies are of relatively equal size would be unstable over billion-year epochs, leading one body to be ejected via slingshot effect.
Post by: SealyStar on October 17, 2012, 03:53:24 pm
All this school talk reminds me of some interesting interpretation of physics on my (geology) teacher's part.
Basically, some one asked her why Earth only has one moon. Her answer was: "Earth is so small that it cannot maintain more than one moon."
That's right kids, it's all about the law of physics called Gravity-Maintenance. Objects need actively maintain their gravity and towards each individual object at that. If they don't, things just start floating away. I guess that's one reason why humans eat; after all, maintaining our own gravity must consume a lot of energy.
God, I'm getting tired of maintaining my gravity towards this keyboard. I'll stop maintaining it for a while. Ah... that's better.
Of course this completely overlooks the well-known 2 moons of Mars.
There is some possible justification, but I'm not sure that teacher would be able to understand it. With 2 co-orbiting bodies, the equations are nice and simple classical dynamics. But when you add a third body (1 planet, 2 moons), it enters the realm of chaotic dynamics and it becomes practically impossible to predict long-term positions and velocities. It's possible that a 3 body system where all the bodies are of relatively equal size would be unstable over billion-year epochs, leading one body to be ejected via slingshot effect.
Obviously Mars just has much smaller moons. That's why it can hold two, since larger moons need more maintenance.
Post by: Reelya on October 17, 2012, 03:55:06 pm
Of course, it's nothing to do with the number of moons per se, but the instability of triple body systems unless the extra bodies are minute.
Post by: SealyStar on October 17, 2012, 04:30:50 pm
3 body problem, multiple large moons are likely to be unstable configurations.
Of course, it's nothing to do with the number of moons per se, but the instability of triple body systems unless the extra bodies are minute.
But quadruple bodies restabilize. It's only triple.
Post by: Pnx on October 17, 2012, 08:48:50 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 18, 2012, 01:23:36 am
Post by: da_nang on October 18, 2012, 01:45:42 am
Post by: Darvi on October 18, 2012, 01:51:13 am
Post by: SealyStar on October 18, 2012, 09:49:38 am
I thought pnx was a cat lover?
hans in the nazi, I'm a fapping penguin, darvi is some person off some... thing, and you are what looks like a precursor to an argonian.
QED, the only way to do that would be to get hans, and he's on probation.
I'm an angry seal.
Post by: Descan on October 18, 2012, 09:51:52 am
Post by: RedKing on October 18, 2012, 10:26:13 am
Post by: Descan on October 18, 2012, 10:33:17 am
And Descan is a FABULOUS chibi Viking.FTFY
Post by: miauw62 on October 18, 2012, 10:49:20 am
Post by: RedKing on October 18, 2012, 10:58:53 am
I was initially going to use pink, but decided it was too hard to read.And Descan is a FABULOUS chibi Viking.FTFY
Post by: Hanslanda on October 18, 2012, 11:05:12 am
What about me?
You are a ruggedly manly dwarf doctor.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 18, 2012, 11:05:48 am
Summary: A woman is complaining about the government enticing deer to cross busy roads with deer crossing signs.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 18, 2012, 11:06:46 am
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 18, 2012, 11:07:18 am
Post by: Hanslanda on October 18, 2012, 11:24:26 am
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 18, 2012, 11:27:50 am
Post by: Hanslanda on October 18, 2012, 11:29:10 am
Welcome to the club.
Is there a hat? Do I get a hat?
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 18, 2012, 11:29:48 am
Woofhat.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 18, 2012, 11:30:20 am
Welcome to the club.
Is there a hat? Do I get a hat?
No, but you have to imagine you're wearing one.
Post by: Descan on October 18, 2012, 11:31:32 am
Dood, he's tiny. Anything bigger than a ten gallon will break his neck!
Post by: Hanslanda on October 18, 2012, 11:32:33 am
/me watches Hans neck crack.
Dood, he's tiny. Anything bigger than a ten gallon will break his neck!
Nah, I'm surprisingly strong. I'm wiry.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 18, 2012, 11:33:09 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 18, 2012, 11:33:54 am
Well, I think its now.
We just haven't noticed it.
Post by: SealyStar on October 18, 2012, 11:36:22 am
And Descan is a FABULOUS chibi Viking.FTFY
FTFTFY.
And, yes, I, too, have lost faith in the average-range IQs.
Post by: RedKing on October 18, 2012, 11:37:50 am
I think I literally just lost faith in everyone with an IQ below 110.The fact that you ever had faith is the surprising part. As the late, great George Carlin pointed out: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that!"
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 18, 2012, 11:38:43 am
RaynebohAnd Descan is a FABULOUS chibi Viking.FTFY
FTFTFY.
Post by: miauw62 on October 18, 2012, 11:43:09 am
Raynebohwoof?RaynebohAnd Descan is a FABULOUS chibi Viking.FTFY
FTFTFY.
Post by: Descan on October 18, 2012, 01:33:53 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 18, 2012, 01:42:12 pm
Post by: RedKing on October 18, 2012, 02:06:02 pm
IQ is calculated as ("mental age" / "physical/real age" ) * 100. So if you're a 10-year old who performs at a 15-year level of cognition, you have (15/10) * 100 = 150 IQ.
The problem with the formula is twofold:
1. How exactly do you define mental age? And how on earth do you assess something like "a mental age of 90", given the deteriorated mental state of most 90-year olds?
2. Everyone's IQ inherently converges towards 100 with age, by nature of the formula.
5-year old with the brain of an 8-year old = 160 IQ. To maintain that 160 IQ, you have to assimilate knowledge at a rate of 1.6 "mental years" per calendar year. By the time you're 30, you have to have be mentally 18 years beyond your physical age.
I was assesed around at 155+ when I was in kindergarten. There's no way in hell I'm still a 155+. I don't think I've gotten stupider, it's just that it's much more difficult to be 36 and mentally 20 years beyond your age than it is to be 6 and 3.5 years beyond your age.
Post by: Darvi on October 18, 2012, 02:09:42 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 18, 2012, 02:43:20 pm
If that's the official formula then I went from gifted to demented in less than ten years.
That's why IQ is only valuable for children. After that it becomes next to impossible to assess realistically using that same formula.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 18, 2012, 02:45:56 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
BTW: A bit of trivia: most 90 years old are, in fact, not demented.
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 18, 2012, 02:50:50 pm
But then why do my peers seem so damn stupid?
Post by: kaijyuu on October 18, 2012, 02:58:14 pm
Also, you only really see your peers in certain situations. They might be "stupid" at say, math or whatever, but smart in other areas.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 18, 2012, 03:14:36 pm
But then why do my peers seem so damn stupid?Who do you notice more, those of equal intellectual level to you, or higher/lower?
Post by: Reelya on October 18, 2012, 04:30:39 pm
100 should be the statistical average.
IQ is calculated as ("mental age" / "physical/real age" ) * 100. So if you're a 10-year old who performs at a 15-year level of cognition, you have (15/10) * 100 = 150 IQ.
Not that this is wrong per se, but they haven't done it like that since before almost all people on this board were born. They started doing away with that in WWII, and the new tests superceded the old by the 1960's. Even the older tests were modified to remove the quotient system.
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Wechsler is best known for his intelligence tests. The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) was developed first in 1939 and then called the Wechsler-Bellevue Intelligence Test. From these he derived the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC) in 1949 and the Wechsler Preschool and Primary Scale of Intelligence (WPPSI) in 1967. Wechsler originally created these tests to find out more about his patients at the Bellevue clinic and he found the then-current Binet IQ test unsatisfactory. The tests are still based on his philosophy that intelligence is "the global capacity to act purposefully, to think rationally, and to deal effectively with [one's] environment" (cited in Kaplan & Saccuzzo, p. 256).
The Wechsler scales introduced many novel concepts and breakthroughs to the intelligence testing movement. First, he did away with the quotient scores of older intelligence tests (the Q in "I.Q."). Instead, he assigned an arbitrary value of 100 to the mean intelligence and added or subtracted another 15 points for each standard deviation above or below the mean the subject was. While not rejecting the concept of global intelligence (as conceptualized by his teacher Charles Spearman), he divided the concept of intelligence into two main areas: verbal and performance (non-verbal) scales, each evaluated with different subtests.
The WAIS is today the most commonly administered psychological test (Kaplan & Sacuzzo, 2005). The tests are currently updated approximately every ten years to compensate for the Flynn effect.
Pretty much every IQ test since at least the 1960's has used Wechsler's method and not the quotient method.
What they do is test samples of every age group and both genders, assign an arbitrary mean of 100, a normalized bell curve with standard deviation of 15, and fit everyone's data into that curve no matter how they actually scored.
This has obvious advantages and disadvantages, in that you don't have to come up with some amazing test, since the data gets molded into shape afterwards, but you also don't gain any information from the "fixed" scores? Is IQ going up or down? Are women or men smarter? You can't say, because you forced your data to fit an identical curve due to ideological reasons.
IQ tests: the only "scientific" field where they force data to fit a specific curve for ideological reasons, then claim they can tell you things about reality because of the shape of the curve.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 18, 2012, 04:35:46 pm
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2012, 05:45:15 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 18, 2012, 05:51:08 pm
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2012, 05:54:42 pm
Also fishing for compliments.
Post by: Reelya on October 18, 2012, 06:09:42 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect
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Across four studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.This explains why smart people can't convince dumb people of anything. They assume that they are the smart one, and you are just average, hence dumber than them.
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Meanwhile, people with true ability tended to underestimate their relative competence. Roughly, participants who found tasks to be relatively easy erroneously assumed, to some extent, that the tasks must also be easy for others.
I love the title of their paper:
"Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments"
Post by: kaijyuu on October 18, 2012, 06:14:34 pm
It makes you really stupid, because you're not :PYes and no :P I really am incompetent. Yay for getting fired from my first job for costing the store something like $10,000 in fees from the various accidents I had.
Also fishing for compliments.
Post by: Graknorke on October 18, 2012, 06:33:54 pm
Relevant:Well. Suddenly everything makes sense. I'm just too stupid to realise who is actually stupid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effectQuoteAcross four studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.This explains why smart people can't convince dumb people of anything. They assume that they are the smart one, and you are just average, hence dumber than them.
QuoteMeanwhile, people with true ability tended to underestimate their relative competence. Roughly, participants who found tasks to be relatively easy erroneously assumed, to some extent, that the tasks must also be easy for others.
I love the title of their paper:
"Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments"
And after reading this, I will compensate for my perceived over-estimation of others by inflating my own belief of self, leading me to end up far overestimating myself, or at the least, have doubts that I may be overestimating myself, meaning I will keep my estimation of myself low to prevent being an egotistic asshole and... oh...
it keeps hapening.
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2012, 06:50:22 pm
It makes you really stupid, because you're not :PYes and no :P I really am incompetent. Yay for getting fired from my first job for costing the store something like $10,000 in fees from the various accidents I had.
Also fishing for compliments.
You probably just lack confidence. Also, first jobs are first jobs. Like every new experience it is new too you. I say it's the storerunners that's incompetent, firing you after investing 10,000 in teaching you the job ;)
Post by: kaijyuu on October 18, 2012, 06:53:53 pm
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 18, 2012, 07:12:37 pm
Relevant:QuoteMeanwhile, people with true ability tended to underestimate their relative competence. Roughly, participants who found tasks to be relatively easy erroneously assumed, to some extent, that the tasks must also be easy for others.
this,
I never realized how dumb people were until I had a job doing assessment testing for the government, (I was a hiring assistant, my job was find places to hold testing sessions, and test applicants to see if they were smart enough to work with/for the government)
I took the test before I started, missed 1 out of 20, and there were like 2 trick questions, so I'm pretty sure it was one of those that I missed, but I thought the test was waaaaaaay to easy to be working for the government. (looked like a test that a 13 or 14 year old could pass with ease) so I'm holding these testing sessions, and all of these adults are getting 3 or 4 right. like a good majority of the people scored less than 50% and not a single person that I tested scored anywhere near as high as myself. I was shocked and amazed.
Post by: Bohandas on October 24, 2012, 03:01:46 pm
We did once have two moons, but they sort of collided into each other.
I think you mean the moon and the earth collided with each other.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 24, 2012, 03:10:11 pm
We did once have two moons, but they sort of collided into each other.
I think you mean the moon and the earth collided with each other.
Don't you mean a planet colliding into our planet to make our planet and the moon?
Post by: Darvi on October 24, 2012, 03:13:03 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2012, 03:19:36 pm
Post by: RedKing on October 24, 2012, 03:22:34 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 24, 2012, 03:23:12 pm
I vote for a successor to the Large Hadron Collider, that uses planets instead of hadrons. Or maybe planets are just really, REALLY large hadrons.Oh god a planet moving at light speed
Someone make this happen
Post by: Darvi on October 24, 2012, 03:24:52 pm
Post by: Bohandas on October 24, 2012, 03:31:04 pm
I'm partial to the Nibiru theory, as I get all my history lessons from Scooby Doo.Did that actually figure in an episode as something supposedly legitimate?
If not then that's insulting to Scooby Doo. The Nibiru theory is more like something they'd pull the mask off of at the end of the show.
Post by: Vorthon on October 24, 2012, 03:32:07 pm
I vote for a successor to the Large Hadron Collider, that uses planets instead of hadrons. Or maybe planets are just really, REALLY large hadrons.Oh god a planet moving at light speed
Someone make this happen
Read Ringworld. That's all I have to say on the matter.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2012, 03:32:34 pm
Go watch Mystery Incorporated. It's sorta important, there.I'm partial to the Nibiru theory, as I get all my history lessons from Scooby Doo.Did that actually figure in an episode as something supposedly legitimate?
If not then that's insulting to Scooby Doo. The Nibiru theory is more like something they'd pull the mask off of at the end of the show.
Post by: misko27 on October 24, 2012, 03:33:08 pm
Makes for a really lousy game of bar billiard, though.You have no imagination. I would LOVE that game. Whos up for a round?
Post by: Darvi on October 24, 2012, 03:35:25 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2012, 03:37:06 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 24, 2012, 03:38:43 pm
Post by: Bohandas on October 24, 2012, 03:39:13 pm
A couple of my friends basically said that identifying as a pizza is as valid an identity as any other.
(hint: no, it isn't)
What do you have against pizzas? :P
Identity is a wacky thing and I'd be hesitant to call any identity "invalid." Someone could identify as a pizza, but they'd probably be nuts besides.
Personally, if anything, I'd go in the opposite direction and say that ALL identity is invalid, in the best cases best a flawed interpretation of one's personal part of a world that can only be experienced indirectly through the senses in the worst cases a construct of pure delusion and folly. You are only what you are, what you think you are or want to be has no impact on the reality of a situation. The universe is cold and unfeeling and makes no accommodations for your preferences or beliefs. You cannot be or do whatever you want to simply by believing in yourself, platitudinous people may have told you that you can but it is a lie; you are constrained by immutable laws of physics and biology. As Friedrich Nietzsche wrote "but that this blessedness produced by an idee fixe by no means makes the idea itself true, and the fact that faith actually moves no mountains, but instead raises them up where there were none before: all this is made sufficiently clear by a walk through a lunatic asylum"
The real problem is that it's highly intellectually dishonest. Being a person with a logic fetish, it's not actually bad moral premises that piss me off (as much); it's a bad argument. I have a lot more respect for libertarians than for the Religious Right. Why? Because libertarians are honest about what they believe and what the results of that are. The Religious Right invoke a man who said "blessed are the poor", "love your enemies" and "he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone" to cut welfare, engage in reckless warmongering and persecute gay people.
So, what's going on here? Well, part of the problem is that identities are actually beliefs (right or wrong ones), not labels. Most of the time, they are labels, of the form "I am an X"="I believe that [traits of X apply to me]". Nobody will really say that a man who believes in the god of the Koran and not those of the Vedas but, for whatever batshit reason, calls himself a Hindu is a Hindu; he's a Muslim. This may sound like glossing over important differences, but affirming a full and complete separation of belief and identity leads you to some confusing and nonsensical conclusions. And this works the other way, as we shall see.
Why is this important? Well, do my highly tolerant and accepting friends condemn Todd Akin? You bet they do. Now, if what Todd Akin were saying were true and women couldn't get pregnant from rape, he would just be stating a fact and they would be engaging in denialism. But he's not. That what he is saying is false and that he's being a misogynistic asshole is actually completely irrelevant here. Todd Akin says "women can't get pregnant from rape"; this is equivalent to "Hi, I'm Todd Akin and I identify as someone who thinks women can't get pregnant from rape." By saying that Todd Akin is being a misogynistic jerkass- or, sorry, making a moral judgment with regards to his being a misogynistic jerkass, since this is a distinction we do need to make- you are condemning an identity. But you told ME that identities are unjudgeable- and, furthermore, you are judging me for saying that at least some identities are judgeable, a belief I am holding, equivalent to an unspoken identity "I identify as someone who judges certain identities". This is a contradiction.
It's stuff like this that makes me not like postmodernism. I have no problem with analyzing issues from a minority viewpoint- indeed it's often the only way to analyze an issue. But let's not pretend that we can condemn the status quo while letting minorities get a free ride. Or we can- but then we chuck any pretenses at universality and consistency out the window. That's fine with some postmodernists, I'm sure, given that- as per the Sokal Hoax- postmodernism and sociology seem to be content to tell science that they are better at science than science is.
I agree with you
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2012, 03:40:01 pm
Still, a measly 30 points?You make a good point. Each person should be worth at least 5 points, from a game design perspective.
Post by: misko27 on October 24, 2012, 03:45:50 pm
Ohhh, You guys are reminding me of one of m favorite games! Defcon, where killing off millions of people require a score counter. They used the 2 points for every million method, there is probably a better one for here.Still, a measly 30 points?You make a good point. Each person should be worth at least 5 points, from a game design perspective.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2012, 05:47:35 pm
On the planet itself things would be normal, except of course the fusion happening when it collides with things, which would eventually heat the entire thing to a plasma state.
Post by: Graknorke on October 24, 2012, 05:49:03 pm
Since when did speed affect mass?unable to get to light speed. assuming you could, though...I vote for a successor to the Large Hadron Collider, that uses planets instead of hadrons. Or maybe planets are just really, REALLY large hadrons.Oh god a planet moving at light speed
Someone make this happen
the universe collapses due to an infinitely powerful gravity field. things on the edge of the universe would have a good while due to gravity being restricted by the speed of light, though.
assuming you speed it up to... say... 0.999999999999999999999999999999999999c, it'd probably make a black hole.
Anyway, are we assuming a perfect vacuum, or just space conditions? Because going that fast, the friction from the scattered hydrogen in space could still cause some serious heating.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2012, 05:56:24 pm
Since when did speed affect mass?Since relativity. The more apparent energy something has, the more apparent mass it has. This is why light is affected by gravity, despite having 0 rest mass.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 24, 2012, 06:36:26 pm
Post by: kaenneth on October 24, 2012, 06:38:53 pm
and one of the many limitations of this universe preventing FTL travel.Since when did speed affect mass?Since relativity. The more apparent energy something has, the more apparent mass it has. This is why light is affected by gravity, despite having 0 rest mass.
You'd have more than infinite mass, for the instant you are at the speed of light, an eternity will go by (time dilation, to put it simply), anything impacting your object, even a hydrogen atom, could cause a fair bit of damage etc.
All you need is a power source that generates power in proportion to it's mass, so that when you hit infinite mass, you get infinite power. (That's not the premise of the Mass Effect games, is it?)
Fun thought for the day: If a massive black hole (... or any big object I guess) were approaching the earth at the speed of light, we would never know until we were suddenly obliterated.
Also, gamma ray bursts; could suddenly kill EVERYTHING on one side of the planet, and does travel at the speed of light.
Post by: Reelya on October 24, 2012, 06:42:00 pm
Post by: i2amroy on October 24, 2012, 06:44:17 pm
The reason why things outside of it's path wouldn't be sucked in would be because it would zoom past them before they could move any significant distance towards the object traveling near the speed of light.It would act much like a black hole, but since it's moving so fast, most things would probably avoid being sucked into it unless they're directly in its path.remember, a black hole can suck up light.
On the planet itself things would be normal, except of course the fusion happening when it collides with things, which would eventually heat the entire thing to a plasma state.
I think a few planets and stars travelling much, MUCH slower than light would be snarfed up, too.
Post by: OREOSOME on October 24, 2012, 06:47:07 pm
One of my friends is asked by me "If somehow in the near future a fully sentient AI were to come into existence, would you be for It having rights?"
His reply, "No, because it would've been made by people and it would just be a computer program, so No."
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2012, 06:48:06 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 24, 2012, 06:56:50 pm
Relevant (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1548)and one of the many limitations of this universe preventing FTL travel.Since when did speed affect mass?Since relativity. The more apparent energy something has, the more apparent mass it has. This is why light is affected by gravity, despite having 0 rest mass.
You'd have more than infinite mass, for the instant you are at the speed of light, an eternity will go by (time dilation, to put it simply), anything impacting your object, even a hydrogen atom, could cause a fair bit of damage etc.
All you need is a power source that generates power in proportion to it's mass, so that when you hit infinite mass, you get infinite power. (That's not the premise of the Mass Effect games, is it?)
Fun thought for the day: If a massive black hole (... or any big object I guess) were approaching the earth at the speed of light, we would never know until we were suddenly obliterated.
Also, gamma ray bursts; could suddenly kill EVERYTHING on one side of the planet, and does travel at the speed of light.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on October 24, 2012, 07:08:53 pm
So this classmate turns to a buddy of mine and asks "Cell phones are minerals right?"
Buddy: "What?"
"Are cell phones minerals?"
"Do you know even what a mineral is?"
*insert some arguing here as to how the class mate doesn't know what a mineral is*
Classmate:..."Well how would you define a mineral *insert buddy's name here*?"
So they go and google mineral definition and check Wikipedia. Apparently the proper definition of a mineral is "under debate." They compromised then that cell phones could be a mineral, depending on one's perception of how a mineral is defined. I wouldn't call this amazingly stupid, but it was pretty dang funny.
Post by: misko27 on October 24, 2012, 07:13:48 pm
In computer science today a classmate was working on a Twenty Questions project to code in Java, which actually consists of just two questions. It requires you to name several objects and classify them as either Animal, Vegetable, or Mineral, and whether it is larger or smaller than a breadbox.Googling, it appears they are a object that is manufactured from minerals. Ergo, No.
So this classmate turns to a buddy of mine and asks "Cell phones are minerals right?"
Buddy: "What?"
"Are cell phones minerals?"
"Do you know even what a mineral is?"
*insert some arguing here as to how the class mate doesn't know what a mineral is*
Classmate:..."Well how would you define a mineral *insert buddy's name here*?"
So they go and google mineral definition and check Wikipedia. Apparently the proper definition of a mineral is "under debate." They compromised then that cell phones could be a mineral, depending on one's perception of how a mineral is defined. I wouldn't call this amazingly stupid, but it was pretty dang funny.
Appearantly, this question was so stupid google couldn't answer it, because no one ever asked before.
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 24, 2012, 07:25:29 pm
Quote from: At work
customer: How would you like to be slapped in the face with a cold piece of cheese.
me: I don't think I'd like that very much...
customer: good, go tell the cooks that, and if they have any problems with it, tell them I'll be out here.
::)
Post by: Graknorke on October 24, 2012, 07:26:42 pm
So the cooks slapped thon with a piece of cold cheese?Quote from: At workcustomer: How would you like to be slapped in the face with a cold piece of cheese.
me: I don't think I'd like that very much...
customer: good, go tell the cooks that, and if they have any problems with it, tell them I'll be out here.
::)
That doesn't even make sense...
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2012, 07:38:56 pm
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 24, 2012, 08:02:25 pm
I went and told a manager he was upset about it, I offered to have it remade but he denied, when the manager went to talk to him he threw his drink at her and left, she called the cops but they were long gone by the time the cops showed up.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2012, 08:06:00 pm
Post by: Graknorke on October 24, 2012, 08:47:02 pm
he was upset that there was cold cheese on his burger,Is that going to go on Not Always Right?
I went and told a manager he was upset about it, I offered to have it remade but he denied, when the manager went to talk to him he threw his drink at her and left, she called the cops but they were long gone by the time the cops showed up.
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 24, 2012, 11:55:18 pm
Post by: Oliolli on October 25, 2012, 04:01:07 am
All you need is a power source that generates power in proportion to it's mass, so that when you hit infinite mass, you get infinite power. (That's not the premise of the Mass Effect games, is it?)
The premise of Mass Effect, as I understood it, is that when you direct an electric current through Element Zero (eezo), it creates a "mass effect field", which either raises or lowers the mass of objects within, depending on whether it's a positive or negative current. With some clever engineering, they can make mass effect fields that reduce a ships apparent mass to zero.
That's how I figure it at least.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 25, 2012, 04:04:19 am
Post by: Oliolli on October 25, 2012, 06:17:58 am
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 25, 2012, 10:25:48 am
So how does eezo know from which direction to look at the current?Magic.
Post by: bombzero on October 25, 2012, 04:10:55 pm
Nay, SCIENCE*So how does eezo know from which direction to look at the current?Magic.
*See: handwaving
Post by: da_nang on October 25, 2012, 04:53:16 pm
A mighty example of the fine art of Clarking.Nay, SCIENCE*So how does eezo know from which direction to look at the current?Magic.
*See: handwaving
Post by: Mini on October 25, 2012, 05:49:33 pm
I was going to say magnets, but this is better.So how does eezo know from which direction to look at the current?Magic.
Post by: misko27 on October 25, 2012, 05:51:29 pm
ANay, SCIENCE*So how does eezo know from which direction to look at the current?Magic.
*See: handwaving
Post by: Flying Dice on October 25, 2012, 07:12:10 pm
ANay, SCIENCE*So how does eezo know from which direction to look at the current?Magic.
*See: handwavingwizardscientistbiotic did it.
I don't even like/have never played more than about 30 minutes of the series and I still know that they have magic by another name. :P
Post by: Bohandas on October 25, 2012, 09:12:59 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 25, 2012, 09:13:45 pm
My father insists that gay rights is an economic issue.What. How, if at all, does he try to justify that? I need some comedy tonight.
Post by: misko27 on October 25, 2012, 09:14:31 pm
My father insists that gay rights is an economic issue.Clearly it is, i-ehh. I'm too tired to make ridiculous Hyperbole right now.
Post by: Scelly9 on October 25, 2012, 09:15:51 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 25, 2012, 09:18:24 pm
:P
Post by: Oliolli on October 26, 2012, 01:39:29 am
Post by: Scelly9 on October 26, 2012, 01:42:26 am
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 26, 2012, 01:44:15 am
Post by: misko27 on October 26, 2012, 01:48:18 am
But the gays are cooking up their fairy science so they can get pregnant, just so they can abort them whilst worshiping satan and pissing on crucifixes whilst also murdering traditional families and stealing jobs from hardworking Amurricans.Yeah. Sometmes they get abortions without even being pregnant, just for the sweet, baby-killing sensation.
You fogot the part where they force people to get gay-married in some bizzare home-erotic ritual.
But of course, there is no way I can write a conservative nightmare without help from America's Number One News Source. (http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-help-us-destroy-jesus-and-start-a-new-age-of,29478/?)
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 26, 2012, 02:07:38 am
Post by: Reelya on October 26, 2012, 02:13:04 am
Post by: misko27 on October 26, 2012, 02:17:26 am
My college suitemate told my roommate who, more than once a week, spends hours cleaning his room that OCD doesn't exist. Because its like ADHD, which ALSO doesn't exist.I have actually been diagnosed with ADHD. It is pretty bad wby ending your chance to have discipline.
It exists, regardles of he says it doesn't. A fourth of the people in America have it.
Post by: Descan on October 26, 2012, 07:43:33 am
*has there been a study on that or is it like an urban legend, "everyone knows it's true!" kind of thing?
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2012, 08:55:53 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 26, 2012, 09:06:01 am
Check if he's religious. Then have a detailed discussion about things not existing.
I'm pretty sure he's not religious. He's mostly just...odd, like he doesn't seem to realize when people are mad at him, he's constantly decorating the suite with tacky stuff like a construction paper "carpet" that got ripped whenever anyone walked on it, and bringing "found" furniture like other people's discarded chairs back to the room. I guess the best word for it would be impulsive, which isn't necessarily bad, except in this case where it is. Its kind of ironic that a weird guy like him would be disbelieving of other people's mental quirks.
My thoughts on ADHD, my guess is its so over-diagnosed because of schools. Some adults think "can't focus on schoolwork" means a kid has ADHD, when in reality there are a ton of other reasons kids might not be able to focus on school.
Post by: Descan on October 26, 2012, 10:32:39 am
The question wasn't "Why is it so over-diagnosed?" it was "Is it ACTUALLY over-diagnosed or is that just what people SAY it is?"
Post by: miauw62 on October 26, 2012, 10:47:28 am
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 26, 2012, 10:59:25 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 26, 2012, 11:29:43 am
That wasn't the question.
The question wasn't "Why is it so over-diagnosed?" it was "Is it ACTUALLY over-diagnosed or is that just what people SAY it is?"
I'm fairly confident that ADHD doesn't effect 10% of the population (that's roughly how many American children the CDC says has been diagnosed with ADHD), although part of my argument revolves around the definition of a disorder.
To me, for it to count as a disorder, it would have to be intrinsic, AKA "your mind works this way" as opposed to "you act this way due to an external situation". The thing is, ADHD appears to be tied to location. Within the US, it becomes more common towards the east coast:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So while I would agree ADHD is real, evidence suggests to me there is an external situation that produces ADHD like symptoms in those that do not actually have ADHD. Given that this situation appears to occur in a specific part of the US and mostly applies to school aged children, my conclusion is that kids who don't fit into the school system are incorrectly being diagnosed with ADHD.
Post by: miauw62 on October 26, 2012, 01:22:16 pm
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned before.a bit late, but:Quote from: At workcustomer: How would you like to be slapped in the face with a cold piece of cheese.
me: I don't think I'd like that very much...
customer: good, go tell the cooks that, and if they have any problems with it, tell them I'll be out here.
::)
http://notalwaysright.com/
EDIT: hurf durf.
I never noticed someone had mentioned it.
At least in the rage/wtf/happy threads.
Post by: Bohandas on October 26, 2012, 01:24:18 pm
My father insists that gay rights is an economic issue.What. How, if at all, does he try to justify that? I need some comedy tonight.
Supposedly gay marriage will make his taxes higher.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 26, 2012, 01:25:52 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 26, 2012, 01:26:47 pm
It is as if a million mantises cried out as one, and were silenced by the ever growing lolololololololololololo....Supposedly gay marriage will make his taxes higher.My father insists that gay rights is an economic issue.What. How, if at all, does he try to justify that? I need some comedy tonight.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2012, 03:43:01 pm
Yep, we need the extra money to buy assless rindstone tuxedo pants for the ceremonies.Still a better use for my taxes than clusterbombs.
Post by: misko27 on October 26, 2012, 03:49:41 pm
Okay, but see, they are very nice cluster-bombs. And we put so much hard work into them! Do you really want to see them go to waste? Plus there's all that overpopulation, and if you don't like creating jobs to end overpopulation, I have nothing to say to you.Yep, we need the extra money to buy assless rindstone tuxedo pants for the ceremonies.Still a better use for my taxes than clusterbombs.
Kill them all, Do it for the childrens.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 26, 2012, 03:50:39 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2012, 03:51:57 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 26, 2012, 03:54:08 pm
Yes, let's... get rid of some of that excess population.And what is the best way to do that, nah, the most efficient? Cluster bombs. Actually Nukes, but they don't let me advocate use of those anymore.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 26, 2012, 03:55:29 pm
Post by: Snowblind on October 26, 2012, 03:56:16 pm
My father insists that gay rights is an economic issue.What. How, if at all, does he try to justify that? I need some comedy tonight.
Supposedly gay marriage will make his taxes higher.
Well, marriage is basically nothing but a tax break. People save a lot of money under joint filing and if any two persons can do this, you can expect more sham marriages for the purpose of saving tax money. It just opens another loop hole for the ring-clackers to exploit.
So it might conceivably lower revenue, more likely the gov't might alter the tax codes in response so that marriage doesn't provide as much of a tax benefit or abolish joint filing entirely. Not very likely, but possible.
Anyways, how about cluster nukes? Wait, they already have those, nvm.
Post by: Reelya on October 26, 2012, 03:57:38 pm
That wasn't the question.
The question wasn't "Why is it so over-diagnosed?" it was "Is it ACTUALLY over-diagnosed or is that just what people SAY it is?"
I'm fairly confident that ADHD doesn't effect 10% of the population (that's roughly how many American children the CDC says has been diagnosed with ADHD), although part of my argument revolves around the definition of a disorder.
To me, for it to count as a disorder, it would have to be intrinsic, AKA "your mind works this way" as opposed to "you act this way due to an external situation". The thing is, ADHD appears to be tied to location. Within the US, it becomes more common towards the east coast:Prevalence of ADHD also appears to be tied to time, aka less adults appear to have ADHD than kids. And it seems to be a modern thing. If you look at mental states in the past that were decently common but weren't understood, such clinical depression, addiction, or paranoia, they still showed up in stories of the time, just not named as disorders. And those conditions (with the possible exception of addiction) affect way less than 10% of humans. ADHD doesn't seem, to me, to have the presence in fiction across the ages that it should if it affected 10% of the population. Although, granted, ADHD can be dismissed as laziness or general distractedness, but way less than 10% of characters in fiction are portrayed as distractable/lazy people.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So while I would agree ADHD is real, evidence suggests to me there is an external situation that produces ADHD like symptoms in those that do not actually have ADHD. Given that this situation appears to occur in a specific part of the US and mostly applies to school aged children, my conclusion is that kids who don't fit into the school system are incorrectly being diagnosed with ADHD.
Actually there are reports that ADHD is hereditary, they were just classed as unruly or slow learners before. And there a plenty of accounts of lazy, stupid or unruly people in fiction.
It may be over-diagnosed. Most sources say 3-5%, not 10%. But that 3-5% is in England where they feed kids proper school meals, not hotdogs made of "pink slime" like the USA, if you're lucky to get a school meal at all. The diet in USA is absolutely horrendous, and probably is adding to all sorts of childhood problems.
I've read accounts by British child psychologists when kids are diagnosed the dads (it's much more prevalent in males) often go "that sounds like me when i was a kid, but I was just called XYZ" (lazy, stupid, etc)
Then there's stuff like this, which I just found:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/30/us-adhd-genes-idUSTRE68S5UD20100930
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(Reuters) - British scientists have found the first direct evidence attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is a genetic disorder and say their research could eventually lead to better treatments for the condition.
Researchers who scanned the gene maps of more than 1,400 children found that those with ADHD were more likely than others to have small chunks of their DNA duplicated or missing.
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The study also showed an overlap between the deleted or duplicated DNA segments, known as copy number variants (CNVs), and genetic variants linked to the brain disorders autism and schizophrenia -- providing what the scientists said was "strong evidence" that ADHD is a neurodevelopmental condition.
And as for historical references, that's easy to look up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder
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In 1775, Melchior Adam Weikard, a prominent German physician and physician to the Russian Empress, Catherine II, published a medical textbook containing a chapter on attention deficits, now believed to be the first known reference to ADHD in the medical literature.
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In his chapter on attention deficits, Weikard's description contains many of the symptoms now associated with the inattentive dimension of ADHD in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders - 4th edition.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2012, 03:57:51 pm
I was going to suggest an engineered virus which only affects poor people, but sure.Yes, let's... get rid of some of that excess population.And what is the best way to do that, nah, the most efficient? Cluster bombs. Actually Nukes, but they don't let me advocate use of those anymore.
So if we're making cluster bombs, does that mean I need to do without my assless rindstone tuxedo pants?Are you sure you don't want rhinestones? On the question, just get yourself a chunk of one of those nice rebuilding contracts after we bomb the shit out of more people in the Third World.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 26, 2012, 04:05:37 pm
Post by: scriver on October 26, 2012, 04:18:31 pm
Post by: Reelya on October 26, 2012, 04:28:26 pm
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Smoking in schizophrenia – an attempt to self medicate?
3rd November 2005 | schizophrenia and psychosis
Just over one quarter of the UK population are smokers. In people with schizophrenia the rate of smoking is thought to be between two and four times higher. In addition, smokers with schizophrenia smoke more cigarettes per day and smoke stronger brands than other smokers.
Various theories have been put forward as to why so many people with schizophrenia smoke. It is thought that nicotine acts as a form of ‘self-medication’ for people with schizophrenia, producing a number of beneficial effects despite the negative impact of smoking on long term health.
Post by: kaenneth on October 26, 2012, 05:21:42 pm
There was a study done a year or so ago that reached the conclusion that a whole lot of criminals who were also drug addicts also had AD(H)D. Apparently, a lot of them started drugging as a form of self-medication, and slipped into a criminal life from there. So it's also pretty scary what cam happen to the kids who doesn't get help and medication once they find out there are other ways of clear their heads for a minute.
Well, for example my friend, who was on govt. provided ADHD meds (Ritalin) until he turned 18; at which point they cut him off since no insurance, so he turned to meth, and ended up with a diagnosis of schizophrenia; which was probably aggravated by the amphetamines.
If he had gotten the correct diagnosis in the first place; they would never have given him speed for 13 years, addicting him, and making him crazier.
When the shadow people sent by the giant flaming eyeball in the sky are trying to stop you from becoming an angel to go back in time and stop General Custer; as you were instructed to by the ghosts of Einstein, Pocahontas, and the baby you mom miscarried are telling you to do; it's probably not ADHD.
Post by: misko27 on October 26, 2012, 05:26:37 pm
When the shadow people sent by the giant flaming eyeball in the sky are trying to stop you from becoming an angel to go back in time and stop General Custer; as you were instructed to by the ghosts of Einstein, Pocahontas, and the baby you mom miscarried are telling you to do; it's probably not ADHD.WHAT? NEVER! I WILL SACRIFICE THE VIRGINS TO BRING ABOUT THE HOMELESS ONES, AND NO HIGH-FALUTIN TALKING WOLF RABBITS CAN STOP ME!
Post by: Reelya on October 26, 2012, 10:12:48 pm
Post by: Valid_Dark on October 26, 2012, 11:05:51 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on October 26, 2012, 11:06:32 pm
So, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HooeZrC76s0).
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 26, 2012, 11:17:45 pm
Post by: bombzero on October 26, 2012, 11:21:30 pm
These two girls in my history class were arguing over whether the Mayan calendar was supposed to end on the 21st or 23rd of December, this year. This was brought about by some mention of it in a poorly-made History Channel type video. Anyway, one of them said "I know the world is supposed end on the 23rd because that's what I heard, and that's my mom's birthday". Apparently this was convincing enough evidence for the other girl. They then proceeded to talk about how they were going to attend parties and stuff right before those days. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they just wanted an excuse to party; I hope they don't actually buy into any of this stupid mass-hysteria.
Next time people talk about the whole "2012 end of the world" thing, ask them one question.
"Do you panic on December 31st of every fucking year?" because that's kinda the end of the calender too...
The Mayans just liked planning ahead further with their dates, on account of not having a "fixed" system.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 26, 2012, 11:24:33 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 26, 2012, 11:25:55 pm
Post by: Sirus on October 26, 2012, 11:26:40 pm
To be fair, they do PARTY at the end of every year. Maybe some of that is a subconscious fear of the world ending.These two girls in my history class were arguing over whether the Mayan calendar was supposed to end on the 21st or 23rd of December, this year. This was brought about by some mention of it in a poorly-made History Channel type video. Anyway, one of them said "I know the world is supposed end on the 23rd because that's what I heard, and that's my mom's birthday". Apparently this was convincing enough evidence for the other girl. They then proceeded to talk about how they were going to attend parties and stuff right before those days. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they just wanted an excuse to party; I hope they don't actually buy into any of this stupid mass-hysteria.
Next time people talk about the whole "2012 end of the world" thing, ask them one question.
"Do you panic on December 31st of every fucking year?" because that's kinda the end of the calender too...
The Mayans just liked planning ahead further with their dates, on account of not having a "fixed" system.
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 26, 2012, 11:29:05 pm
Maybe birthday parties are just an expression of our subconscious fear of our lives ending.To be fair, they do PARTY at the end of every year. Maybe some of that is a subconscious fear of the world ending.These two girls in my history class were arguing over whether the Mayan calendar was supposed to end on the 21st or 23rd of December, this year. This was brought about by some mention of it in a poorly-made History Channel type video. Anyway, one of them said "I know the world is supposed end on the 23rd because that's what I heard, and that's my mom's birthday". Apparently this was convincing enough evidence for the other girl. They then proceeded to talk about how they were going to attend parties and stuff right before those days. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they just wanted an excuse to party; I hope they don't actually buy into any of this stupid mass-hysteria.
Next time people talk about the whole "2012 end of the world" thing, ask them one question.
"Do you panic on December 31st of every fucking year?" because that's kinda the end of the calender too...
The Mayans just liked planning ahead further with their dates, on account of not having a "fixed" system.
Post by: Sirus on October 26, 2012, 11:30:41 pm
And Halloween parties are an expression of our subconscious fear of things that go bump in the night.Maybe birthday parties are just an expression of our subconscious fear of our lives ending.To be fair, they do PARTY at the end of every year. Maybe some of that is a subconscious fear of the world ending.These two girls in my history class were arguing over whether the Mayan calendar was supposed to end on the 21st or 23rd of December, this year. This was brought about by some mention of it in a poorly-made History Channel type video. Anyway, one of them said "I know the world is supposed end on the 23rd because that's what I heard, and that's my mom's birthday". Apparently this was convincing enough evidence for the other girl. They then proceeded to talk about how they were going to attend parties and stuff right before those days. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they just wanted an excuse to party; I hope they don't actually buy into any of this stupid mass-hysteria.
Next time people talk about the whole "2012 end of the world" thing, ask them one question.
"Do you panic on December 31st of every fucking year?" because that's kinda the end of the calender too...
The Mayans just liked planning ahead further with their dates, on account of not having a "fixed" system.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 26, 2012, 11:31:34 pm
I thought it was an excuse to dress like sluts and act like we're creative?And Halloween parties are an expression of our subconscious fear of things that go bump in the night.Maybe birthday parties are just an expression of our subconscious fear of our lives ending.To be fair, they do PARTY at the end of every year. Maybe some of that is a subconscious fear of the world ending.These two girls in my history class were arguing over whether the Mayan calendar was supposed to end on the 21st or 23rd of December, this year. This was brought about by some mention of it in a poorly-made History Channel type video. Anyway, one of them said "I know the world is supposed end on the 23rd because that's what I heard, and that's my mom's birthday". Apparently this was convincing enough evidence for the other girl. They then proceeded to talk about how they were going to attend parties and stuff right before those days. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they just wanted an excuse to party; I hope they don't actually buy into any of this stupid mass-hysteria.
Next time people talk about the whole "2012 end of the world" thing, ask them one question.
"Do you panic on December 31st of every fucking year?" because that's kinda the end of the calender too...
The Mayans just liked planning ahead further with their dates, on account of not having a "fixed" system.
Post by: Sirus on October 26, 2012, 11:33:29 pm
Not everyone dresses up like sluts, you know :PI thought it was an excuse to dress like sluts and act like we're creative?And Halloween parties are an expression of our subconscious fear of things that go bump in the night.Maybe birthday parties are just an expression of our subconscious fear of our lives ending.To be fair, they do PARTY at the end of every year. Maybe some of that is a subconscious fear of the world ending.These two girls in my history class were arguing over whether the Mayan calendar was supposed to end on the 21st or 23rd of December, this year. This was brought about by some mention of it in a poorly-made History Channel type video. Anyway, one of them said "I know the world is supposed end on the 23rd because that's what I heard, and that's my mom's birthday". Apparently this was convincing enough evidence for the other girl. They then proceeded to talk about how they were going to attend parties and stuff right before those days. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they just wanted an excuse to party; I hope they don't actually buy into any of this stupid mass-hysteria.
Next time people talk about the whole "2012 end of the world" thing, ask them one question.
"Do you panic on December 31st of every fucking year?" because that's kinda the end of the calender too...
The Mayans just liked planning ahead further with their dates, on account of not having a "fixed" system.
I will concede the creativity part.
Post by: MrWillsauce on October 26, 2012, 11:34:18 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 27, 2012, 12:16:16 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 27, 2012, 12:27:55 am
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on October 27, 2012, 01:32:01 am
Veteran's Day expresses our fear that one day someone might actually not be willing to get themself shot in our name.Pfft, as long as there are peeps to make ridiculous promises, there'll be brave peeps to get shot for said promises.
Post by: Oliolli on October 27, 2012, 03:21:45 am
These two girls in my history class were arguing over whether the Mayan calendar was supposed to end on the 21st or 23rd of December, this year. This was brought about by some mention of it in a poorly-made History Channel type video. Anyway, one of them said "I know the world is supposed end on the 23rd because that's what I heard, and that's my mom's birthday". Apparently this was convincing enough evidence for the other girl. They then proceeded to talk about how they were going to attend parties and stuff right before those days. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they just wanted an excuse to party; I hope they don't actually buy into any of this stupid mass-hysteria.
I really enjoyed the three other ends of the world this year. I wonder how this one will compare.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 27, 2012, 05:51:06 am
Attention. They found several thousand more years worth of Mayan calendar.
Repeat, they found, several thousand, more years, of Mayan, calendar
Post by: miauw62 on October 27, 2012, 05:53:43 am
*ahem*Attention. They found several thousand more years worth of Mayan calendar.Yet some people still believe that the world will end.
Repeat, they found, several thousand, more years, of Mayan, calendar
I dont even understand. And now everybody will quote this so they dont have to quote huge text.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 27, 2012, 05:56:36 am
It's like claiming your toaster's broken because you forgot to plug it in, then plugging it in but continuing to claim it's broken anyway, despite it being demonstrably used several times to make delicious delicious toast.
Post by: Reelya on October 27, 2012, 06:07:57 am
The problem with even saying that is the end of the world, is that there are Mayan Stellae with higher order relative dates - units of 20 several orders about a bak'tun - dates so large that they are literally 400 million years in the future.
The 2012 thing is like going "OMG year 2000 - end of the world!" and the date 1000's of years from now is like going "OMG year 9999 - we're out of digits - end of the world!". The Mayans already accounted for how such dates are extended, just like how base-10 is extensible. Bak-tun 20 becomes zero, and you increment the next higher position. There just hasn't been enough time elapsed from the Mayan's time to need that many digits yet.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 27, 2012, 07:29:33 am
PD: Want to hear my pet theory on (not-quite)end-of-the-world? Some time in the future all this weather change sheanigans will eventually result in changes in the microbial flora, and a Permian extinction Mk 2, with human civilization being poetically smothered by bacterian farts. A fitting end for the species that created Justin Bieber and 4chan.
Post by: Forums User Meat Wizard on October 27, 2012, 07:59:34 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 27, 2012, 08:06:11 am
I think I can confidently predict that the end of the world will be so boring that nearly no-one will even bother talking about it the next day.*badum-tish*
Also, welcome to the forums i guess.
Post by: Bohandas on October 27, 2012, 08:08:18 am
The 2012 thing is like going "OMG year 2000 - end of the world!"
This reminds me of a funny subplot from the webcomic Goats (http://www.goats.com/archive/060110.html) that deliberately combines the Mayan thing with the Y2K thing.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 27, 2012, 08:26:57 am
To me birthdays have always been celebrations for living one more year :DMaybe birthday parties are just an expression of our subconscious fear of our lives ending.To be fair, they do PARTY at the end of every year. Maybe some of that is a subconscious fear of the world ending.These two girls in my history class were arguing over whether the Mayan calendar was supposed to end on the 21st or 23rd of December, this year. This was brought about by some mention of it in a poorly-made History Channel type video. Anyway, one of them said "I know the world is supposed end on the 23rd because that's what I heard, and that's my mom's birthday". Apparently this was convincing enough evidence for the other girl. They then proceeded to talk about how they were going to attend parties and stuff right before those days. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they just wanted an excuse to party; I hope they don't actually buy into any of this stupid mass-hysteria.
Next time people talk about the whole "2012 end of the world" thing, ask them one question.
"Do you panic on December 31st of every fucking year?" because that's kinda the end of the calender too...
The Mayans just liked planning ahead further with their dates, on account of not having a "fixed" system.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 27, 2012, 08:32:18 am
Post by: Mini on October 27, 2012, 08:35:16 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 27, 2012, 08:40:39 am
It's also nice to see some of the more distant family again. I typically only see them a few times a year. And i dont have alot of close family compared to many people. 1 uncle with a wife and a kid, 4 grandparents. (and my parents ofcourse)
Post by: Mr Space Cat on October 27, 2012, 09:57:36 am
The 2012 thing is like going "OMG year 2000 - end of the world!" and the date 1000's of years from now is like going "OMG year 9999 - we're out of digits - end of the world!".
I'd assume mankind would at least have the sense to just roll the year over to 10000. It's not like in year 99 everyone panicked because "We can't possibly count that high!" or anything like that. They just said it's year 100, cheers.
Alternatively, can you imagine the huge parties and everything that would happen at the end of 9999, seeing how 1999 jumping to 2000 was such a celebratory event?
Assuming of course by then we haven't nuked ourselves to oblivion over some petty issue and at least started space colonization.
Post by: miauw62 on October 27, 2012, 10:15:14 am
I'm not sure if they already used that year count back then.The 2012 thing is like going "OMG year 2000 - end of the world!" and the date 1000's of years from now is like going "OMG year 9999 - we're out of digits - end of the world!".
I'd assume mankind would at least have the sense to just roll the year over to 10000. It's not like in year 99 everyone panicked because "We can't possibly count that high!" or anything like that. They just said it's year 100, cheers.
Alternatively, can you imagine the huge parties and everything that would happen at the end of 9999, seeing how 1999 jumping to 2000 was such a celebratory event?
Assuming of course by then we haven't nuked ourselves to oblivion over some petty issue and at least started space colonization.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 27, 2012, 10:30:17 am
I'm not sure if they already used that year count back then.The 2012 thing is like going "OMG year 2000 - end of the world!" and the date 1000's of years from now is like going "OMG year 9999 - we're out of digits - end of the world!".
I'd assume mankind would at least have the sense to just roll the year over to 10000. It's not like in year 99 everyone panicked because "We can't possibly count that high!" or anything like that. They just said it's year 100, cheers.
Alternatively, can you imagine the huge parties and everything that would happen at the end of 9999, seeing how 1999 jumping to 2000 was such a celebratory event?
Assuming of course by then we haven't nuked ourselves to oblivion over some petty issue and at least started space colonization.
The Julian Calendar (the predecessor of the Gregorian Calendar) was introduced by Julius Caesar in 46 BCE and began use in 45 BCE (or 45 BC for you religious types, or 709 AUC [Ab urbe condita--"from the founding of the City {Rome}] for you ancient Roman types). It (perhaps retroactively) matches up with Gregorian (i.e. modern) datekeeping, though with some temporal issues which the Gregorian reform exists to correct.
The 'before christ' and 'anno domini' (and thus 'before common era' and 'common era') datekeeping was used in both the Julian and Gregorian calendars, so it could be assumed that in 99 CE they did indeed think that it was 99 AD.
Post by: Mongol13524 on October 27, 2012, 10:49:58 pm
Post by: Reelya on October 27, 2012, 11:22:53 pm
The 2012 thing is like going "OMG year 2000 - end of the world!" and the date 1000's of years from now is like going "OMG year 9999 - we're out of digits - end of the world!".
I'd assume mankind would at least have the sense to just roll the year over to 10000. It's not like in year 99 everyone panicked because "We can't possibly count that high!" or anything like that. They just said it's year 100, cheers.
Alternatively, can you imagine the huge parties and everything that would happen at the end of 9999, seeing how 1999 jumping to 2000 was such a celebratory event?
Assuming of course by then we haven't nuked ourselves to oblivion over some petty issue and at least started space colonization.
In the year 100, they didn't do anything at all, because that was before Christianity was established as the official religion of the Roman Empire. They didn't know it was the year 100.
But they did have a total freakout in the year 1000.
Post by: misko27 on October 27, 2012, 11:25:09 pm
There have been enough random apocalypses in recent years people should lnow better. Because, right now, I'm raptured to heavan watching earth be attacked by Y2k bug-ruled terminator droids, and I'd really like to focus on that.The 2012 thing is like going "OMG year 2000 - end of the world!" and the date 1000's of years from now is like going "OMG year 9999 - we're out of digits - end of the world!".
I'd assume mankind would at least have the sense to just roll the year over to 10000. It's not like in year 99 everyone panicked because "We can't possibly count that high!" or anything like that. They just said it's year 100, cheers.
Alternatively, can you imagine the huge parties and everything that would happen at the end of 9999, seeing how 1999 jumping to 2000 was such a celebratory event?
Assuming of course by then we haven't nuked ourselves to oblivion over some petty issue and at least started space colonization.
In the year 100, they didn't do anything at all, because that was before Christianity was established as the official religion of the Roman Empire. They didn't know it was the year 100.
But they did have a total freakout in the year 1000.
Post by: Reelya on October 27, 2012, 11:26:00 pm
I'm not sure if they already used that year count back then.The 2012 thing is like going "OMG year 2000 - end of the world!" and the date 1000's of years from now is like going "OMG year 9999 - we're out of digits - end of the world!".
I'd assume mankind would at least have the sense to just roll the year over to 10000. It's not like in year 99 everyone panicked because "We can't possibly count that high!" or anything like that. They just said it's year 100, cheers.
Alternatively, can you imagine the huge parties and everything that would happen at the end of 9999, seeing how 1999 jumping to 2000 was such a celebratory event?
Assuming of course by then we haven't nuked ourselves to oblivion over some petty issue and at least started space colonization.
The Julian Calendar (the predecessor of the Gregorian Calendar) was introduced by Julius Caesar in 46 BCE and began use in 45 BCE (or 45 BC for you religious types, or 709 AUC [Ab urbe condita--"from the founding of the City {Rome}] for you ancient Roman types). It (perhaps retroactively) matches up with Gregorian (i.e. modern) datekeeping, though with some temporal issues which the Gregorian reform exists to correct.
The 'before christ' and 'anno domini' (and thus 'before common era' and 'common era') datekeeping was used in both the Julian and Gregorian calendars, so it could be assumed that in 99 CE they did indeed think that it was 99 AD.
Dice, the Julian / Roman calender was introduced by Julius Caeser 45 years BEFORE the birth of christ. It was not dated from Christ's birth, because nobody heard of him yet, before he was born.
how were they supposed to know it was 45BC if Jesus hadn't been born yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar
It says there, AD dating was first proposed in 525AD.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 27, 2012, 11:29:22 pm
I thought dating by before Christ/anno domini didn't catch on until the 400's.It was first introduced in the early 500s, but didn't catch on until the 800s. But given that it is based on the same timekeeping as the Gregorian (and, generally) Julian calendars, it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to assume that yes, people in what we think of as 99 CE (who lived in an area where the Julian calendar was used) did indeed think that it was 99. At least in the context of a joking remark about stupidity and apocalyptic predictions, rather than detailed research.
Post by: Reelya on October 27, 2012, 11:39:25 pm
I thought dating by before Christ/anno domini didn't catch on until the 400's.It was first introduced in the early 500s, but didn't catch on until the 800s. But given that it is based on the same timekeeping as the Gregorian (and, generally) Julian calendars, it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to assume that yes, people in what we think of as 99 CE (who lived in an area where the Julian calendar was used) did indeed think that it was 99. At least in the context of a joking remark about stupidity and apocalyptic predictions, rather than detailed research.
Well it is unreasonable in fact to assume that, because Christianity wasn't even close to the official religion in 100AD. They dated by Consul succession it says. And if they needed to compare how far apart 2 years were, they used the founding of Rome as the baseline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar
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The principal method that the Romans used to identify a year for dating purposes was to name it after the two consuls who took office in it, so this eponymous or named year was called the consular year. Since 153 BC, they had taken office on 1 January, the start of the calendar year. The calendar year is the order that the months were displayed on stone tablets, which has been January to December since about 450 BC according to Ovid or since about 713 BC according to Macrobius and Plutarch (see Roman calendar). Julius Caesar did not change the beginning of either the consular year or the calendar year. In addition to consular years, the Romans sometimes used the regnal year of the emperor, and by the late 4th century documents were also being dated according to the 15-year cycle of the indiction. In 537, Justinian required that henceforth the date must include the name of the emperor and his regnal year, in addition to the indiction and the consul, while also allowing the use of local eras.
In 309 and 310, and from time to time thereafter, no consuls were appointed.[56] When this happened, the consular date was given a count of years since the last consul (so-called "post-consular" dating). After 541, only the reigning emperor held the consulate, typically for only one year in his reign, and so post-consular dating became the norm. Similar post-consular dates were also known in the West in the early 6th century. The system of consular dating, long obsolete, was formally abolished in the law code of Leo VI, issued in 888.
Only rarely did the Romans number the year from the founding of the city (of Rome), ab urbe condita (AUC). This method was used by Roman historians to determine the number of years from one event to another, not to date a year. Different historians had several different dates for the founding.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 27, 2012, 11:49:13 pm
What you're talking about is the Roman calendar, which the Julian calendar was specifically designed to replace. If I'm recalling correctly, 1 CE corresponds to 755 AUC (though actual historical accounts indicate that this is off by something like two years).
Post by: Reelya on October 27, 2012, 11:51:26 pm
The evidence is that Romans didn't have absolute numbering of years of any type, except to contrast the gap between years. The system used in the late Roman Empire was similar to the Japanese Imperial System where there are named Eras aligning with succession of the Emperor and numbered by the year of their reign.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 27, 2012, 11:56:13 pm
Post by: Bohandas on October 28, 2012, 12:36:00 am
I'm an atheist, so for me, Christmas isn't really about remembering when Christ was born. besides, he was born on a different day, but the early Christians just dumped Christmas over an old pagan celebration, if I remember correctly.
Was it over any specific holiday though, or is it just that there has always been a self-sustaining critical mass of semi-undifferentiated holidays at the end of December, just like there is now, albeit with the specific holidays involved changing over the centuries? I'm beginning to believe that this is closer to the actual case, as it is still visibly going on with new holidays...
(side-note, as best as I can make out the continued existence of Kwanzaa owes itself to essentially the same gambit; piggybacking off the popularity of Christmas, Hanukkah, and New Years and making use of blatantly derivative ornamentation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinara).)
Post by: misko27 on October 28, 2012, 12:39:20 am
I'm an atheist, so for me, Christmas isn't really about remembering when Christ was born. besides, he was born on a different day, but the early Christians just dumped Christmas over an old pagan celebration, if I remember correctly.Well, that's why I celebrate it on January 7th my man. So does my whole religion, as a matter of fact. What is means practically though, is getting a free day off from school.
new years: well, as good a time as any to celebrate!
Post by: Darvi on October 28, 2012, 03:59:40 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 28, 2012, 04:05:23 am
I should stop watching doomsday preppers, but it's so entertaining D:
Post by: Reelya on October 28, 2012, 04:16:16 am
Quote
Infowars.com
August 11, 2012
Martial law is being prepared for a staged banking collapse in the late October.This is a Red Alert!
Only exposing the fact that this is staged will make them back off.
Let’s get to work exposing the Banksters.
Don’t sit around with a bunch of guns talking about some physical confrontation. We don’t want it to go to that.
The pen is mightier than the sword.
Use It!
This is not a game…
it is WAR!!!
Hmmm Alex Jones beat me to it. He already wrote into the scenario that his 'expose' was the only way to avert the disaster.
Post by: Forums User Meat Wizard on October 28, 2012, 06:48:31 am
Post by: Bohandas on October 28, 2012, 10:39:14 am
Apparantly the american governement will declare national martial law in 1 or two years and completely take over and murder everybody.
If Romney is elected that sounds about right.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2012, 11:40:59 am
Apparantly the american governement will declare national martial law in 1 or two years and completely take over and murder everybody.
If Romney is elected that sounds about right.
That's being unfair. Malicious incompetence isn't the short track to genocide.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 28, 2012, 12:40:24 pm
Remember Hitler? You know how there are still Jews around?
Post by: misko27 on October 28, 2012, 06:01:20 pm
It is, just incompetent genocide.He killled 5 million in 6 years. That isn't very inefficient. That's ignoring the number of non-jews he genocided, over 6 million. Total: 11 million.
Remember Hitler? You know how there are still Jews around?
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2012, 06:17:22 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 28, 2012, 06:44:55 pm
Shows just how ridiculously hard it is to actually pull off a real genocide, I guess. Humans are tough bastards.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2012, 07:14:21 pm
So in other words you need to take lessons learned in Europa Universalis, Aurora, and Civilization and apply them to the real world.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 28, 2012, 07:18:58 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 28, 2012, 07:25:25 pm
Post by: Simmura McCrea on October 28, 2012, 07:26:13 pm
And your people need to follow you. Don't forget that. Hitler didn't individually go around stabbing 11 million people in the face alone.Would've been way more impressive if he had.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2012, 07:29:45 pm
We'll set aside zero hours per day for sleep (he's a busy guy and hopped up on amphetamines to boot), and assume that travel time between victims is nil (the SS is herding the entire population of Europe towards his stabbin' arm). The force needed to crack a human skull can be averaged at around 473N (not going to bother with psi for the sake of a joke in terrible taste). Now, a human can punch with more force than that, but Hitler is a fairly shrimpy guy. Still, he has a knife, so the force will be concentrated on the point. Let's assume 1.5 stabs on average to stab someone to death. Measuring the time it takes for me to deliver 1.5 overhanded stabbing motions gives around 2 seconds. So 0.5 stabbing fatalities per second.
Ignoring actual dates for the sake of simplicity, there are 189216000 seconds in the time period we are considering. That equates to 94,608,000 stabbing deaths over six years. If he slept for 4 hours per day, he would "only" have stabbed 78,840,000 people to death over the time period measured.
The conclusion is obvious, ladies and gentlemen. If Hitler had perpetrated the Holocaust by personally facestabbing people, he would have killed 7.1 times as many people as Nazi Germany did in real life.
I'm so, so sorry. Both for the topic and the terrible, sloppy maths.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 28, 2012, 07:31:46 pm
That naturally leads to the question: How many people could Hitler have killed between 1939 and 1944 if he had been facestabbing exclusively?
We'll set aside zero hours per day for sleep (he's a busy guy and hopped up on amphetamines to boot), and assume that travel time between victims is nil (the SS is herding the entire population of Europe towards his stabbin' arm). The force needed to crack a human skull can be averaged at around 473N (not going to bother with psi for the sake of a joke in terrible taste). Now, a human can punch with more force than that, but Hitler is a fairly shrimpy guy. Still, he has a knife, so the force will be concentrated on the point. Let's assume 1.5 stabs on average to stab someone to death. Measuring the time it takes for me to deliver 1.5 overhanded stabbing motions gives around 2 seconds. So 0.5 stabbing fatalities per second.
Ignoring actual dates for the sake of simplicity, there are 189216000 seconds in the time period we are considering. That equates to 94,608,000 stabbing deaths over six years.
The conclusion is obvious, ladies and gentlemen. If Hitler had perpetrated the Holocaust by personally facestabbing people, he would have killed 8.6 times as many people as Nazi Germany did in real life.
I'm so, so sorry. Both for the topic and the terrible, sloppy maths.
Don't be sorry, you're a genius!
Someone needs to weaponize this now.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2012, 07:32:55 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 28, 2012, 07:36:02 pm
The other variable factor - muscle growth, would change everything. All that face stabbing would get you ripped after 6 years non stop face punching.
At what point would he become giga-hitler?
Spoiler: or worse... (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2012, 07:37:42 pm
Do note that that means his facestabbing would be derailed after his fight with Goku over Anne Frank.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 28, 2012, 07:43:25 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 28, 2012, 07:46:48 pm
facestabbing: what MZ does when he has a knife knuckleduster.Dude, you just invoked Godwin's face-stab.
Post by: Simmura McCrea on October 28, 2012, 07:47:03 pm
There are better ways he could murder people, of course. The Germans did have the MG-42. Assuming proper herding, even Hitler could manage about 800 rounds per minute into the masses of Jews (the gun shoots more like 1000 RPM, but you can't expect perfect accuracy). How many people could he kill if it was 1.5 bullets per death, without counting having to reload? (Naturally, he'd have a linkable belt which was being constantly added to while he fired).You have to change the barrels on the MG42 pretty frequently. About once a minute or so of firing, IIRC.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2012, 07:48:40 pm
And here we are, discussing the practical mechanics of personally committing genocide.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 28, 2012, 07:50:38 pm
I reckon a few bad songs by Hitler...
only on bay12 do we have in-depth conversations about Hitler shooting people himself, taking into account most constraints.This is actually not the first time I've seen it discussed. It's the fourth.
The fourth.
Internet.
Godwin.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 28, 2012, 07:51:46 pm
And here we are, discussing the practical mechanics of personally committing genocide.
You never know, it might be important. I mean, assuming that mass killing of zombies could be counted as 'genocide'...
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2012, 07:52:32 pm
How many people could Hitler personally kill in 6 years, armed only with a neon orange dildo and a spoon?
LW: If we could send Nickelback to 1939 and get them to accept Hitler as a second vocalist, that may very well be possible.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 28, 2012, 07:53:22 pm
I shall fix my post:The other 3 were all done on the same website.only on bay12 do we have multiple in-depth conversations about Hitler shooting people himself, taking into account most constraints.
LW: If we could send Nickelback to 1939 and get them to accept Hitler as a second vocalist, that may very well be possible.We can do worse. Hitler singing "bees in a trap."
Post by: misko27 on October 28, 2012, 08:16:25 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2012, 08:45:39 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 28, 2012, 09:50:28 pm
Post by: inteuniso on October 29, 2012, 12:24:13 am
This girl somehow is top of her class and was accepted into university. I know math isn't everything in life but still.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 29, 2012, 12:24:59 am
"I don't get how if you divide 10 by 10 you have 1 left over."Simple question.
This girl somehow is top of her class and was accepted into university. I know math isn't everything in life but still.
How much sleep is she getting?
Post by: kaijyuu on October 29, 2012, 12:26:41 am
Post by: inteuniso on October 29, 2012, 12:28:29 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 29, 2012, 12:31:22 am
I'm pretty sure she thought that 10/10 would equal zero. Everyone around her was bewildered as to how she could not grasp the concept of division and fractions, but it simply would not process in her head.0% sleep
100% student
Post by: miauw62 on October 29, 2012, 05:02:25 am
"What if hitler genocided everyone himself?"
Post by: Oliolli on October 29, 2012, 10:50:24 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2012, 12:09:16 pm
On that note, if Hitler went around stabbing people for 6 years and only used one arm, how much would he resemble a L4D2 charger by the end of it?
Post by: Oliolli on October 29, 2012, 12:23:42 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 29, 2012, 12:27:39 pm
You know, even Dice counted from 1939 to 1945. He won his first elections in 1933. That would be DOUBLE the time to stab people in the face.But he hadn't gotten into the stabbing yet. There was a long period of increasingly tough sanctions, but nothing that warrants personal genocide. Only after WW2 did he really get into it, since then he could hide it better. Still, might be worth it to find out exactly when.
Muscle growth occurs when someone is NOT using their arm, so he'd have to alternate arms. Maybe a break every month or so?
Post by: i2amroy on October 29, 2012, 01:08:43 pm
Post by: miauw62 on October 29, 2012, 01:13:56 pm
E:
Done.
Post by: SealyStar on October 29, 2012, 02:20:38 pm
You don't have 1 "left over," since "left over" implies the remainder.
Remainders are elementary school math anyway.
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 29, 2012, 02:36:48 pm
1933 to 1945: thats 13 years. Thats 599594400 seconds, give or take a few either way.
Assuming Hitler is alseep for 40% of that to get a solid 8 hours rest to keep his stabby strength up gives us 239837760 seconds.
In a large urban area, there should be enough people to stab at least one person per 30 seconds, but the first few will lead people to run away, so lets say one stabbing per 100 seconds allowing for chasing, scuffles, escapes and Hitler encountering someone he doesnt want to stab, say Eva Braun or Rommel. This leaves Hitler with around 2398378 attempted stabs. Of this, it will take probably around 3 stabs per person to kill them, meaning around 799459 fatalities. Thats a signifigant proportion of the population of Berlin.
Of course, this is a very crude linear approach. I suppose I could modify it taking into account a variable rate of killing based around a bell curve to mimic the accelerated rate as Hitler levels up and then the drop off as there are less potential victims.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 29, 2012, 02:38:33 pm
Post by: miauw62 on October 29, 2012, 02:38:40 pm
Of course, this is a very crude linear approach. I suppose I could modify it taking into account a variable rate of killing based around a bell curve to mimic the accelerated rate as Hitler levels up and then the drop off as there are less potential victims.
I think we could best calculate an XP gain for every kill based on social standing.
Post by: miauw62 on October 29, 2012, 02:40:51 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on October 29, 2012, 02:43:06 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 29, 2012, 02:45:02 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2012, 03:18:42 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 29, 2012, 03:21:10 pm
I'm glad I upgraded to Bay 12.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 29, 2012, 03:23:36 pm
EDIT: What if Hitler used a pitchfork/trident? Would the increase in the number of stabs per second be worth the decrease in the stab-to-kill ratio?
Post by: misko27 on October 29, 2012, 03:25:37 pm
Another thing I failed to consider is body disposal. So we need to have him standing on a very tall platform over the mid-Atlantic Trench or a vat of lava. If he was just standing on some random patch of ground, he'd be buried in a mountain of corpses within days, which would severely curtail further stabbing efforts, seeing as how he'd need to use his knife and hands to dig a gory tunnel to sunlight.Well, what if there were a conveyor belt underneath him? It could shuttle bodies of at a steady rate, presumbably to a yard somewhere where they would fight the rising tide of bodies. Of course, going on for years this becomes impractical, so perhaps they simply dumped it in the ocean.
Post by: Darvi on October 29, 2012, 03:31:16 pm
maximum Hitler Stabbing Efficiency.I think this might be the first time those four words were written in this context, instead of the opposite one.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2012, 05:36:58 pm
1 June 1941-7 May 1945 for our timeframe. 1944 was a leapyear so that adds one extra day.
That gives us 1437 days, or 124,156,800 seconds. We'll assume 6 hours per day for sleeping plus 2 hours per day for eating, excreting, and mustache grooming, but zero additional seconds of wasted time due to that SS efficiency. That means he only has 82,771,200 seconds in which to stab. This is where things get tricky.
For 1941, let us assume that he is still fairly out of shape and is suffering from the strain on his arms. We'll equate that to 2 seconds per stab, and 2 stabs per fatality, which gives us a kill ratio of 1 death per 4 seconds. 1941 is responsible for 12,326,400 of the total stab-seconds available, so in 1941 from 1 June to New Year's Eve at midnight, Hitler stabbed 12326400/4 = 3,081,600 people.
After that, he'll be in fairly decent shape as far as his arms go, so we can drop the rate to 1 stab every 1.5 seconds and 1.5 stabs on average for a death. That increases the kill ratio to 1 death per 2.25 seconds. Now, from 1 January 1942 to 7 May 1945 there are 82771200 - 12326400 = 70,444,800 stab-second available. At 1 death per 2.25 seconds, that works out to Hitler stabbing 70444800/2.25 = 31,308,800 people.
The total number of deaths by Hitler-stabbing between 1 June 1941 and 7 May 1945 then works out to be 34,390,400 people, or a little more than three times the actual number of deaths in the Holocaust. By way of comparison, the estimated population of Germany (and annexed territories) in 1939 was approximately 80,600,000 people. For another comparison, the total number of deaths in World War 1 was roughly 16 million.
In conclusion, if Hitler had spent every free moment from June 1941 to VE Day stabbing people in the face, he would have been personally responsible for more than twice as many deaths as World War I.
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 29, 2012, 05:41:19 pm
There would come a point where the stabbings would be by necessity carried out on people that would be helping him - mainly the SS, thus harming his efficiency in the later months of stabbing.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2012, 05:47:44 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 29, 2012, 05:48:45 pm
Post by: kaenneth on October 29, 2012, 05:50:50 pm
Post by: Graknorke on October 29, 2012, 05:51:34 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on October 29, 2012, 06:08:17 pm
Then we have issues of gore making the blade difficult to use, knife replacements for when they get dull, and honestly he'd need some set rests at various points to keep up the effort.
Either way, I think you have to assume something much less than optimal stabbing/death efficiency.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 29, 2012, 06:09:57 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2012, 06:12:55 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 29, 2012, 06:15:13 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 29, 2012, 06:31:40 pm
But I'm tired of personal genocide maths for the moment, so someone else can take it up.This. THIS is the siggery. And possibly OOC.
Post by: Xantalos on October 29, 2012, 06:33:57 pm
Post by: Sirus on October 29, 2012, 06:35:49 pm
How many people could Hitler kill if he had a machine gun with functionally infinite ammo, and a conveyor belt running people toward him, assuming ~2-4 hours of sleep per day?Even with infinite ammo (and how would that work exactly?), the gun would still require frequent maintenance and part replacement. A simple stabbing weapon might be slower, but is more durable.
Post by: misko27 on October 29, 2012, 06:37:30 pm
Speaking as someone who doesn't know how dull stabbing skulls makes a knife.
Post by: Sirus on October 29, 2012, 06:38:49 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 29, 2012, 06:39:13 pm
True. Infinite ammo would just be a gigantic ammo belt going into the machine gun. What if they were replaced as they wore out? (the machine guns)How many people could Hitler kill if he had a machine gun with functionally infinite ammo, and a conveyor belt running people toward him, assuming ~2-4 hours of sleep per day?Even with infinite ammo (and how would that work exactly?), the gun would still require frequent maintenance and part replacement. A simple stabbing weapon might be slower, but is more durable.
Post by: misko27 on October 29, 2012, 06:40:33 pm
It will fail less frequently, and can be quickly and easily replaced. Guns can jam, misfire, warp from overheating, and I don't even know what else.But imagine how many people he can mow down with a machine gun. If they line them up, He could do some serious damage, enough to make up for the replacement times.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2012, 07:46:49 pm
With WW2 era machineguns, you're going to have to replace the barrel roughly once for every minute of constant fire. Add that to the number of people who wouldn't be killed outright and you're reaching problems. Once you consider the fact that he'll need to stop shooting periodically for the bodies to be cleared away and you've got a serious issue. It takes time to move hundreds of mangled corpses, time that the genocidal lunatic on-the-go doesn't have.It will fail less frequently, and can be quickly and easily replaced. Guns can jam, misfire, warp from overheating, and I don't even know what else.But imagine how many people he can mow down with a machine gun. If they line them up, He could do some serious damage, enough to make up for the replacement times.
Post by: misko27 on October 29, 2012, 07:49:09 pm
I was imagining some sort of set up where they are shot and fall into ditches. Possibly onto conveyor belts. Plus, it's possible the gestapo could just toss our mass-murdering friend another machine gun, then replace it while he gets on firing.With WW2 era machineguns, you're going to have to replace the barrel roughly once for every minute of constant fire. Add that to the number of people who wouldn't be killed outright and you're reaching problems. Once you consider the fact that he'll need to stop shooting periodically for the bodies to be cleared away and you've got a serious issue. It takes time to move hundreds of mangled corpses, time that the genocidal lunatic on-the-go doesn't have.It will fail less frequently, and can be quickly and easily replaced. Guns can jam, misfire, warp from overheating, and I don't even know what else.But imagine how many people he can mow down with a machine gun. If they line them up, He could do some serious damage, enough to make up for the replacement times.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2012, 08:00:56 pm
I was imagining some sort of set up where they are shot and fall into ditches. Possibly onto conveyor belts. Plus, it's possible the gestapo could just toss our mass-murdering friend another machine gun, then replace it while he gets on firing.With WW2 era machineguns, you're going to have to replace the barrel roughly once for every minute of constant fire. Add that to the number of people who wouldn't be killed outright and you're reaching problems. Once you consider the fact that he'll need to stop shooting periodically for the bodies to be cleared away and you've got a serious issue. It takes time to move hundreds of mangled corpses, time that the genocidal lunatic on-the-go doesn't have.It will fail less frequently, and can be quickly and easily replaced. Guns can jam, misfire, warp from overheating, and I don't even know what else.But imagine how many people he can mow down with a machine gun. If they line them up, He could do some serious damage, enough to make up for the replacement times.
Still, that takes time out, not to mention that there is no assurance that every body will fall into the conveyor-trenches. It's much easier to simply have a new set of knives laid out each morning than to pass Hitler a fresh MG-42 every minute of his waking time.
Post by: Sirus on October 29, 2012, 08:04:16 pm
According to Wikipedia and basic math, our hypothetical Hitler would have burned through every MG-42 ever made (assuming no repairs or replacements were done on the already-fired guns) in 277 days, give or take.I was imagining some sort of set up where they are shot and fall into ditches. Possibly onto conveyor belts. Plus, it's possible the gestapo could just toss our mass-murdering friend another machine gun, then replace it while he gets on firing.With WW2 era machineguns, you're going to have to replace the barrel roughly once for every minute of constant fire. Add that to the number of people who wouldn't be killed outright and you're reaching problems. Once you consider the fact that he'll need to stop shooting periodically for the bodies to be cleared away and you've got a serious issue. It takes time to move hundreds of mangled corpses, time that the genocidal lunatic on-the-go doesn't have.It will fail less frequently, and can be quickly and easily replaced. Guns can jam, misfire, warp from overheating, and I don't even know what else.But imagine how many people he can mow down with a machine gun. If they line them up, He could do some serious damage, enough to make up for the replacement times.
Still, that takes time out, not to mention that there is no assurance that every body will fall into the conveyor-trenches. It's much easier to simply have a new set of knives laid out each morning than to pass Hitler a fresh MG-42 every minute of his waking time.
Post by: misko27 on October 29, 2012, 08:05:55 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 29, 2012, 08:12:41 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2012, 08:14:18 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 29, 2012, 08:51:27 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on October 29, 2012, 08:56:18 pm
This is why we can't have nice things.Don't you get it? These are nice things... WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND, THESE ARE THE VERY NICEST THINGS!
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Post by: Mr Space Cat on October 29, 2012, 09:25:32 pm
What could we possibly replace it with?
Post by: Korbac on October 29, 2012, 09:28:07 pm
...Does this mean the discussion on Hitler and facstabbing is over? This is arguably one of the funniest conversations I've heard/read in a while.
What could we possibly replace it with?
AT SPACE CAT EXCITEMENT DID ABOUND
I PURRED IN THE AIR... WITHOUT LEAVING THE GROUND
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 29, 2012, 09:31:58 pm
But Even a stabby weapon is going to fail. After 6 months of going through craniums, it probably won't hold a edge.If Hitler had a set of engineered knives, he'd be able to keep optimum face stabbing edge for a long while. Plus we can assume there would be a support staff constantly churning out more knives in the event of a critical failure.
Speaking as someone who doesn't know how dull stabbing skulls makes a knife.
Post by: Xantalos on October 29, 2012, 09:33:22 pm
Assuming we had a large supply of adamantine and several legendary weaponsmiths, Hitler could theoretically have a fort built around him killing people.But Even a stabby weapon is going to fail. After 6 months of going through craniums, it probably won't hold a edge.If Hitler had a set of engineered knives, he'd be able to keep optimum face stabbing edge for a long while. Plus we can assume there would be a support staff constantly churning out more knives in the event of a critical failure.
Speaking as someone who doesn't know how dull stabbing skulls makes a knife.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 29, 2012, 09:41:52 pm
That's not the point. The point is that Hitler has to personally kill each and everyAssuming we had a large supply of adamantine and several legendary weaponsmiths, Hitler could theoretically have a fort built around him killing people.But Even a stabby weapon is going to fail. After 6 months of going through craniums, it probably won't hold a edge.If Hitler had a set of engineered knives, he'd be able to keep optimum face stabbing edge for a long while. Plus we can assume there would be a support staff constantly churning out more knives in the event of a critical failure.
Speaking as someone who doesn't know how dull stabbing skulls makes a knife.
I'm just going to stop posting now.
Post by: Xantalos on October 29, 2012, 09:45:29 pm
To be clear, I meant that the weaponsmiths would make him addy daggers as needed.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2012, 10:22:16 pm
Post by: Descan on October 29, 2012, 10:22:40 pm
Guys.
Windmill arms.
Just imagine: This is Hitler (http://youtu.be/rn7ogXz_M_8?t=5s)
Post by: Xantalos on October 29, 2012, 10:24:09 pm
Guys.Perfect.
Guys.
Windmill arms.
Just imagine: This is Hitler (http://youtu.be/rn7ogXz_M_8?t=5s)
Post by: Darvi on October 30, 2012, 01:39:11 am
Post by: Xantalos on October 30, 2012, 01:41:00 am
Post by: Shinotsa on October 30, 2012, 11:49:41 am
Post by: ed boy on October 30, 2012, 12:27:11 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 30, 2012, 12:29:08 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 30, 2012, 12:29:43 pm
What are we counting as a hitler-kill? Presumeably we're counting direct trauma that causes brain function to cease. What about hitler stabbing someone who then bleeds out? What about stabbing someone who then dies from an infected stab-wound?
Bleeding to death is an acceptable hitler-kill, since it's a direct result of Hitler's actions. A death from infection doesn't count, since Hitler didn't kill the person directly, the microorganisms did. Sure, Hitler caused the wound, but it's not in the spirit of things.
Post by: Sheb on October 30, 2012, 12:39:14 pm
Post by: da_nang on October 30, 2012, 12:39:34 pm
Post by: Shinotsa on October 30, 2012, 12:42:24 pm
It's still inefficient. You should put people on moving hook, and Hitler would just slit their throat as they go by, like a huge chicken slaughterhouse.
Can we remove and preserve a part of him, and have that do the killing? As long as we're going for the slaughterhouse method, could we not just have his severed hand holding a blade that people pass by? This would remove the sleep requirement and vastly simplify calculations if the end-point of the conveyor line were also the disposal area.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 30, 2012, 12:46:28 pm
It's still inefficient. You should put people on moving hook, and Hitler would just slit their throat as they go by, like a huge chicken slaughterhouse.
Can we remove and preserve a part of him, and have that do the killing? As long as we're going for the slaughterhouse method, could we not just have his severed hand holding a blade that people pass by? This would remove the sleep requirement and vastly simplify calculations if the end-point of the conveyor line were also the disposal area.
I feel like that's cheating. Plus you'll never get his severed hand to slit throats that effectively without a wire cage or something, which really means that its the wire cage doing the killing, not Hitler.
Post by: miauw62 on October 30, 2012, 12:47:23 pm
Agreed. We need a full Hitler.It's still inefficient. You should put people on moving hook, and Hitler would just slit their throat as they go by, like a huge chicken slaughterhouse.
Can we remove and preserve a part of him, and have that do the killing? As long as we're going for the slaughterhouse method, could we not just have his severed hand holding a blade that people pass by? This would remove the sleep requirement and vastly simplify calculations if the end-point of the conveyor line were also the disposal area.
I feel like that's cheating. Plus you'll never get his severed hand to slit throats that effectively without a wire cage or something, which really means that its the wire cage doing the killing, not Hitler.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 30, 2012, 01:06:27 pm
Post by: Shinotsa on October 30, 2012, 01:16:54 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 30, 2012, 01:20:47 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 30, 2012, 01:22:28 pm
Woah woah woah, we need to set some rules here. Do clones count?
Since the Nazis didn't have cloning technology and we're concerned with the period between 1939-1945 or thereabouts, clones do not count.
Post by: Sirus on October 30, 2012, 01:23:26 pm
Post by: Mongol13524 on October 30, 2012, 01:45:18 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 30, 2012, 01:46:34 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 30, 2012, 01:53:37 pm
Incidentally, it seems that we've departed from the facestabbing requirement entirely, so I'll propose this: Hitler with a flamethrower fed from a large fuel source which is continually being refilled.
Post by: Darvi on October 30, 2012, 01:57:37 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 30, 2012, 01:58:23 pm
Incidentally, it seems that we've departed from the facestabbing requirement entirely, so I'll propose this: Hitler with a flamethrower fed from a large fuel source which is continually being refilled.With a bayonet on the end. To personalize it all.
Post by: Scelly9 on October 30, 2012, 02:07:48 pm
The problem is, at that distance your going to get backblast of unburned fuel. At least, it'll be unburned for a few seconds.Incidentally, it seems that we've departed from the facestabbing requirement entirely, so I'll propose this: Hitler with a flamethrower fed from a large fuel source which is continually being refilled.With a bayonet on the end. To personalize it all.
Post by: Zangi on October 30, 2012, 02:13:46 pm
Bayonet is probably gonna melt enough to lose its shape sooner or later.... but I suppose a hot piece of metal is just as good at poking...The problem is, at that distance your going to get backblast of unburned fuel. At least, it'll be unburned for a few seconds.Incidentally, it seems that we've departed from the facestabbing requirement entirely, so I'll propose this: Hitler with a flamethrower fed from a large fuel source which is continually being refilled.With a bayonet on the end. To personalize it all.
Post by: Scelly9 on October 30, 2012, 02:28:09 pm
Well, according to wikiansweres, flamethrowers burn up too 1000 degrees cent. Simple carbon steel melts at about 1400 degrees, so after a while we would probably have deformity, but I doubt it would become unusable.Bayonet is probably gonna melt enough to lose its shape sooner or later.... but I suppose a hot piece of metal is just as good at poking...The problem is, at that distance your going to get backblast of unburned fuel. At least, it'll be unburned for a few seconds.Incidentally, it seems that we've departed from the facestabbing requirement entirely, so I'll propose this: Hitler with a flamethrower fed from a large fuel source which is continually being refilled.With a bayonet on the end. To personalize it all.
Besides, Flaming backblast > Deformed Bayonet.
Post by: miauw62 on October 30, 2012, 02:30:27 pm
Post by: Graknorke on October 30, 2012, 02:32:32 pm
But i think Hitler would not hold up for an entire day when there's a 1000 °C fire burning on a few feet distance.He could just stand further away. From what I remember of WWII weapons, flamethrowers had a pretty decent range even back then. Around 10 metres I think I read somewhere?
EDIT: Whoops, too many 0s. 100m really WOULD be something.
Doubledit: Though I think the Churchill's mounted flamethrower could reach 100m. Would that count as Hitler killing them, or would it not be personal enough?
Post by: Oliolli on October 30, 2012, 02:34:53 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on October 30, 2012, 02:44:15 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 30, 2012, 03:13:54 pm
Put Hitler into one of those spinning office chairs and link the chair up to a powerful motor after handing him a scythe. Have the SS push people towards him. It wouldn't work, but the mental image is simultaneously hilarious and disgusting.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 30, 2012, 03:16:46 pm
This is completely impractical, but...+Windmill arms. Motion sickness however...
Put Hitler into one of those spinning office chairs and link the chair up to a powerful motor after handing him a scythe. Have the SS push people towards him. It wouldn't work, but the mental image is simultaneously hilarious and disgusting.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 30, 2012, 03:18:16 pm
The vomit would be a secondary weapon. Think about it. If you had just been covered in the content of Hitler's stomach, wouldn't you want to kill yourself?This is completely impractical, but...+Windmill arms. Motion sickness however...
Put Hitler into one of those spinning office chairs and link the chair up to a powerful motor after handing him a scythe. Have the SS push people towards him. It wouldn't work, but the mental image is simultaneously hilarious and disgusting.
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 30, 2012, 03:19:16 pm
Post by: Teneb on October 30, 2012, 04:14:48 pm
Can also work with the spinning chair.
Post by: Descan on October 30, 2012, 04:20:39 pm
What's worse is he knows what evolution is but says "adaptation doesn't count, it has to be genetic change leading to physiological differences"
I'm... Really wondering what the fuck he's smoking. Apparently he had a brain hemorrhage sometime around the time he graduated, dunno if before or after or by how much.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 30, 2012, 04:32:36 pm
The pro-Israel lobby is probably the most influential in the US, to the point that just about every politician with a hope of being elected will pander to them and their demands. By extension, the Zionists have a not-insubstantial deal of control over the direction of US foreign policy; the US is one of the most internationally influential nations if for no other reason than that we've got the most powerful military and aren't quite right in the head.
Top US officials have a history of planning false-flag attacks specifically for the purpose of starting unjustified wars against minor nations in support of political agendas. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods)
Note that I don't actually believe any of those three statements, just that as far as harebrained conspiracy theories go they at least have slightly more basis than using 'aliens' to explain everything from the Pyramids to why you woke up on a country road with amnesia and an aching anus.
Post by: Oliolli on October 30, 2012, 04:42:30 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 30, 2012, 04:58:26 pm
Evolution is a variationist theory.I don't really see what evolution has to do with variations in usage between different speakers of a given language.
Post by: ab00 on October 30, 2012, 05:02:22 pm
Suicides do not count towards das Fuhrers kill score.
Sigged.
Post by: Bohandas on October 30, 2012, 05:06:54 pm
What's worse is he knows what evolution is but says "adaptation doesn't count, it has to be genetic change leading to physiological differences"
It sounds like he's confusing Darwinian evolution with Lamarkian evolution.
Post by: Bohandas on October 30, 2012, 05:11:22 pm
Darwin's model of thought was (mis)applied by the Objectivists and their ilk for the sake of their classist ideology, and social discrimination tends to go hand in hand with racism.
Yeah, Social Darwinism is one of the most idiotic philosophies ever. How stupid does a person have to be to not be able to tell the difference between reproduction and money. They're not even similar concepts.
Post by: misko27 on October 30, 2012, 05:19:29 pm
Top US officials have a history of planning false-flag attacks specifically for the purpose of starting unjustified wars against minor nations in support of political agendas. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods)
Ever se the Movie Wag the dog? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog) Follows this very plotline.
I know!!! I mean what the hell People?Darwin's model of thought was (mis)applied by the Objectivists and their ilk for the sake of their classist ideology, and social discrimination tends to go hand in hand with racism.
Yeah, Social Darwinism is one of the most idiotic philosophies ever. How stupid does a person have to be to not be able to tell the difference between reproduction and money. They're not even similar concepts.
Post by: Graknorke on October 30, 2012, 05:28:29 pm
Isn't it obvious? If you kill all of the poor people, then everyone will be rich! It's really obvious, because the poor people are lazy and the rich are hard workers, that's why you don't see the poor people putting as much work against this as the rich people are for!Yeah, Social Darwinism is one of the most idiotic philosophies ever. How stupid does a person have to be to not be able to tell the difference between reproduction and money. They're not even similar concepts.I know!!! I mean what the hell People?
Post by: Dr. on October 30, 2012, 05:37:57 pm
"Real rape doesn't get women pregnant. They have to enjoy sex or their bodies eat the wiggly bits we put in them."
and another ripe quote from his ever evolving mind;
"Straight people only have approximately a 2% chance of getting aids and that only accounts for having anal sex with women. Fluids are rarely re-enter the body via the penis."
I'm related to this man. :-[
Post by: kaijyuu on October 30, 2012, 05:39:18 pm
I re-met my cousin for the first time in ten-sum years yesterday, we began talking about politics and one of his points against birth control was;I don't normally condone violence against people, but smack him upside the head. For me.
"Real rape doesn't get women pregnant. They have to enjoy sex or their bodies eat the wiggly bits we put in them."
and another ripe quote from his ever evolving mind;
"Straight people only have approximately a 2% chance of getting aids and that only accounts for having anal sex with women. Fluids are rarely re-enter the body via the penis."
I'm related to this man. :-[
Post by: Sirus on October 30, 2012, 05:40:50 pm
Kick him in the sweet spot. It's not like he uses his head anyway.I re-met my cousin for the first time in ten-sum years yesterday, we began talking about politics and one of his points against birth control was;I don't normally condone violence against people, but smack him upside the head. For me.
"Real rape doesn't get women pregnant. They have to enjoy sex or their bodies eat the wiggly bits we put in them."
and another ripe quote from his ever evolving mind;
"Straight people only have approximately a 2% chance of getting aids and that only accounts for having anal sex with women. Fluids are rarely re-enter the body via the penis."
I'm related to this man. :-[
Post by: Hanslanda on October 30, 2012, 05:44:48 pm
Kick him in the sweet spot. It's not like he uses his head anyway.I re-met my cousin for the first time in ten-sum years yesterday, we began talking about politics and one of his points against birth control was;I don't normally condone violence against people, but smack him upside the head. For me.
"Real rape doesn't get women pregnant. They have to enjoy sex or their bodies eat the wiggly bits we put in them."
and another ripe quote from his ever evolving mind;
"Straight people only have approximately a 2% chance of getting aids and that only accounts for having anal sex with women. Fluids are rarely re-enter the body via the penis."
I'm related to this man. :-[
I am no longer surprised by this sort of thing. People are so stupid it's draining.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 30, 2012, 05:46:02 pm
Either one, with any luck.Kick him in the sweet spot. It's not like he uses his head anyway.I re-met my cousin for the first time in ten-sum years yesterday, we began talking about politics and one of his points against birth control was;I don't normally condone violence against people, but smack him upside the head. For me.
"Real rape doesn't get women pregnant. They have to enjoy sex or their bodies eat the wiggly bits we put in them."
and another ripe quote from his ever evolving mind;
"Straight people only have approximately a 2% chance of getting aids and that only accounts for having anal sex with women. Fluids are rarely re-enter the body via the penis."
I'm related to this man. :-[
Post by: misko27 on October 30, 2012, 05:49:00 pm
Ordinarily, I don't condone use of Eugenics, but considering the circumstances, Kick him. Hard. Prove to him his Penis isn't as awesome as he thinks.Either one, with any luck.Kick him in the sweet spot. It's not like he uses his head anyway.I re-met my cousin for the first time in ten-sum years yesterday, we began talking about politics and one of his points against birth control was;I don't normally condone violence against people, but smack him upside the head. For me.
"Real rape doesn't get women pregnant. They have to enjoy sex or their bodies eat the wiggly bits we put in them."
and another ripe quote from his ever evolving mind;
"Straight people only have approximately a 2% chance of getting aids and that only accounts for having anal sex with women. Fluids are rarely re-enter the body via the penis."
I'm related to this man. :-[
Post by: Mr Space Cat on October 30, 2012, 05:50:16 pm
Isn't it obvious? If you kill all of the poor people, then everyone will be rich! It's really obvious, because the poor people are lazy and the rich are hard workers, that's why you don't see the poor people putting as much work against this as the rich people are for!Yeah, Social Darwinism is one of the most idiotic philosophies ever. How stupid does a person have to be to not be able to tell the difference between reproduction and money. They're not even similar concepts.I know!!! I mean what the hell People?
Do you know how many poor people are in the world? It's much easier to kill all the rich people. This also eliminates most politicians, so it's a win-win!
Post by: misko27 on October 30, 2012, 05:51:14 pm
Yep! The there's only me to rule! Do it Space cat.Isn't it obvious? If you kill all of the poor people, then everyone will be rich! It's really obvious, because the poor people are lazy and the rich are hard workers, that's why you don't see the poor people putting as much work against this as the rich people are for!Yeah, Social Darwinism is one of the most idiotic philosophies ever. How stupid does a person have to be to not be able to tell the difference between reproduction and money. They're not even similar concepts.I know!!! I mean what the hell People?
Do you know how many poor people are in the world? It's much easier to kill all the rich people. This also eliminates most politicians, so it's a win-win!
Post by: OREOSOME on October 30, 2012, 05:52:15 pm
But if you kill all the poor people, the rich people would then be considered poor due to the standard being higher.Isn't it obvious? If you kill all of the poor people, then everyone will be rich! It's really obvious, because the poor people are lazy and the rich are hard workers, that's why you don't see the poor people putting as much work against this as the rich people are for!Yeah, Social Darwinism is one of the most idiotic philosophies ever. How stupid does a person have to be to not be able to tell the difference between reproduction and money. They're not even similar concepts.I know!!! I mean what the hell People?
Do you know how many poor people are in the world? It's much easier to kill all the rich people. This also eliminates most politicians, so it's a win-win!
Post by: Durin Stronginthearm on October 30, 2012, 05:55:12 pm
I re-met my cousin for the first time in ten-sum years yesterday, we began talking about politics and one of his points against birth control was;
"Real rape doesn't get women pregnant. They have to enjoy sex or their bodies eat the wiggly bits we put in them."
Seriously. Fucking......fuck. Jesus godamn fuck. I mean.....damn.
This 'real rape' bullshit is the stupidest fucking load of bollocks I have ever come across in my whole life. At least creationists have faith in their defence. Bloody bloomin' hell. Ugh! There's just nothing....a facepalm doesn't convey even the merest smidgen of dismay and contempt I'm feeling right now.
Post by: misko27 on October 30, 2012, 05:56:07 pm
Give into your rage. They deserve it.I re-met my cousin for the first time in ten-sum years yesterday, we began talking about politics and one of his points against birth control was;
"Real rape doesn't get women pregnant. They have to enjoy sex or their bodies eat the wiggly bits we put in them."
Seriously. Fucking......fuck. Jesus godamn fuck. I mean.....damn.
This 'real rape' bullshit is the stupidest fucking load of bollocks I have ever come across in my whole life. At least creationists have faith in their defence. Bloody bloomin' hell. Ugh! There's just nothing....a facepalm doesn't convey even the merest smidgen of dismay and contempt I'm feeling right now.
Post by: Zangi on October 30, 2012, 06:34:46 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on October 30, 2012, 06:35:57 pm
The virgin Mary.
Post by: Graknorke on October 30, 2012, 06:36:39 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 30, 2012, 06:37:10 pm
You wanna know who else was abstinent?Didn't an angel knock her up?
The virgin Mary.
Post by: misko27 on October 30, 2012, 06:38:16 pm
So... I guess we can finally put the last ~10 pages into practice. We now have the maths to optimally stab as many morons as possible in the face, using only a small task force of moron herders.But who here is Finely Mustachioed to kill millions of people?
Post by: Flying Dice on October 30, 2012, 06:39:21 pm
"Okay kids, all you need to do to be safe is not have sex."
Yeah, like that's going to work.
God knocked her up by proxy. Supposedly. It isn't like anyone would possibly lie about that.You wanna know who else was abstinent?Didn't an angel knock her up?
The virgin Mary.
"How are you pregnant, honey? We haven't even done it yet."
"Oh. Uh. God did it. Yeah, that's right, it was God!"
"... Praise the lord!"
(kidding)
Post by: misko27 on October 30, 2012, 06:44:01 pm
Every time I hear someone pushing abstinence sex ed, I can't help but wonder if they even remember being a teenager.The only thing keepiing me from having sex is the lack of another person.
"Okay kids, all you need to do to be safe is not have sex."
Yeah, like that's going to work.
Post by: OREOSOME on October 30, 2012, 06:45:33 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 30, 2012, 07:07:39 pm
Yeah, an Archangel.You wanna know who else was abstinent?Didn't an angel knock her up?
The virgin Mary.
You know, those weird ones that need to tell you not to be afraid. The worlds first instance of Naughty Tentacles. Or, erm, spokes. Or hooves. Angels are weird.
Post by: Xantalos on October 30, 2012, 10:10:14 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 30, 2012, 10:18:37 pm
I remember those assholes. They were very self-reightous.Now I know why Xantalos wants to destroy everything so much. Xan was abused by Arch-angels as a child.
Post by: Corai on October 30, 2012, 10:19:28 pm
I remember those assholes. They were very self-reightous.Now I know why Xantalos wants to destroy everything so much. Xan was abused by Arch-angels as a child.
Xantalos, do you need help? We are here for you.
I am at least.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 30, 2012, 10:20:31 pm
Post by: armeggedonCounselor on October 30, 2012, 10:26:39 pm
Post by: Bohandas on October 30, 2012, 10:39:31 pm
I'll help you destroy everything.
Relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiOoc8SPJUc)
Post by: Sirus on October 30, 2012, 10:41:13 pm
Could you settle for destroying...I dunno, half of everything?
Post by: Xantalos on October 30, 2012, 11:59:03 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 31, 2012, 06:36:21 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 31, 2012, 06:42:40 am
Random thought: What if God appeared, created a giant highlighter and wrote "I don't actually exist" in big glowing letters on the moon?(http://narwhaler.com/img/tk/q/i-dont-know-therefore-aliens-ancient-aliens-tkQ6NM.jpg)
Post by: Oliolli on October 31, 2012, 08:15:01 am
Use the divine power ‼science‼ gave them for
It would be possible, since as everyone knows
Quote from: Agatha Heterodyne
Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science!
Every time I hear someone pushing abstinence sex ed, I can't help but wonder if they even remember being a teenager.
"Okay kids, all you need to do to be safe is not have sex."
Yeah, like that's going to work.
It will for asexuals. Then again, we don't need such tips in the first place.
Sorry, I've only been reading The Origin of Species in Finnish, I don't know the correct word for "muunnos".Evolution is a variationist theory.I don't really see what evolution has to do with variations in usage between different speakers of a given language.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 31, 2012, 09:51:23 am
Random thought: What if God appeared, created a giant highlighter and wrote "I don't actually exist" in big glowing letters on the moon?People would wonder why God is trying to tell them the moon doesn't exist.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2012, 10:01:32 am
Hm. After a bit more time looking into it, did you mean 'variationalist'? I think yes, from the context. Still doesn't really give me much about what point you're trying to make, sort of like saying that the Laws of Thermodynamics are laws of physics.Sorry, I've only been reading The Origin of Species in Finnish, I don't know the correct word for "muunnos".Evolution is a variationist theory.I don't really see what evolution has to do with variations in usage between different speakers of a given language.
Anyhow, on topic, had to listen to an echo-chamber full of fundies and less crazy true-believers talk about how the existence of an all-knowing, all-powerful god-creator wouldn't preclude free will because we wouldn't know that we didn't have free will. ::)
Post by: misko27 on October 31, 2012, 10:02:23 am
Probably because, The moon landing was faked! Everyone knows the moon is simply a hologram!Random thought: What if God appeared, created a giant highlighter and wrote "I don't actually exist" in big glowing letters on the moon?People would wonder why God is trying to tell them the moon doesn't exist.
Post by: darkrider2 on October 31, 2012, 10:05:20 am
That's why we can only ever see one side of it.Probably because, The moon landing was faked! Everyone knows the moon is simply a hologram!Random thought: What if God appeared, created a giant highlighter and wrote "I don't actually exist" in big glowing letters on the moon?People would wonder why God is trying to tell them the moon doesn't exist.
And every once in a while someone passes a ball in front of the projector.
Post by: Darvi on October 31, 2012, 10:07:19 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2012, 10:14:40 am
Post by: Oliolli on October 31, 2012, 10:36:47 am
There was discussion about evolution being racist. In The Origin of Species it is said that other variations (or whatever the correct word is) (an animal is born that is slightly different to the others of the species, if it is a good thing it survives and thrives, if worse it dies. In Finnish, these different specimens are called "muunnokset lajeista", variants, variations or whatever of the species) are superior to others. It is racist to think that some "races" of people are better or worse than others. Thus, the extremely failed attempt at a joke about evolution being a variationist theory.Hm. After a bit more time looking into it, did you mean 'variationalist'? I think yes, from the context. Still doesn't really give me much about what point you're trying to make, sort of like saying that the Laws of Thermodynamics are laws of physics.Sorry, I've only been reading The Origin of Species in Finnish, I don't know the correct word for "muunnos".Evolution is a variationist theory.I don't really see what evolution has to do with variations in usage between different speakers of a given language.
Not sure if I explained that right.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2012, 11:26:00 am
There was discussion about evolution being racist. In The Origin of Species it is said that other variations (or whatever the correct word is) (an animal is born that is slightly different to the others of the species, if it is a good thing it survives and thrives, if worse it dies. In Finnish, these different specimens are called "muunnokset lajeista", variants, variations or whatever of the species) are superior to others. It is racist to think that some "races" of people are better or worse than others. Thus, the extremely failed attempt at a joke about evolution being a variationist theory.Hm. After a bit more time looking into it, did you mean 'variationalist'? I think yes, from the context. Still doesn't really give me much about what point you're trying to make, sort of like saying that the Laws of Thermodynamics are laws of physics.Sorry, I've only been reading The Origin of Species in Finnish, I don't know the correct word for "muunnos".Evolution is a variationist theory.I don't really see what evolution has to do with variations in usage between different speakers of a given language.
Not sure if I explained that right.
Ah, I see. Yeah, I get it now.
Post by: Roundabout Lout on October 31, 2012, 06:03:12 pm
Me: "What?"
Mom: "You turned it up too loud, and now the speakers are buzzing!"
Me: "Mom, that's called bass."
Mom: ".........Never turn my stereo past 20 again!"
::)
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 01, 2012, 03:31:05 am
Well, natural evolution has all but stopped for mankind by now, since you'll survive and breed even if you're dumb as a box of rocks.There was discussion about evolution being racist. In The Origin of Species it is said that other variations (or whatever the correct word is) (an animal is born that is slightly different to the others of the species, if it is a good thing it survives and thrives, if worse it dies. In Finnish, these different specimens are called "muunnokset lajeista", variants, variations or whatever of the species) are superior to others. It is racist to think that some "races" of people are better or worse than others. Thus, the extremely failed attempt at a joke about evolution being a variationist theory.Hm. After a bit more time looking into it, did you mean 'variationalist'? I think yes, from the context. Still doesn't really give me much about what point you're trying to make, sort of like saying that the Laws of Thermodynamics are laws of physics.Sorry, I've only been reading The Origin of Species in Finnish, I don't know the correct word for "muunnos".Evolution is a variationist theory.I don't really see what evolution has to do with variations in usage between different speakers of a given language.
Not sure if I explained that right.
Now it's just a matter of who has more kids. Probably beautiful stupid people. And the Weasleys.
My god. Gingers.
Post by: Ultimuh on November 01, 2012, 03:35:08 am
My god. Gingers.
I used to have redish hair when I were a child.
But now, it's more of a brown hue, altough my facial hair is kind of redish/orang-y for some reason..
Post by: misko27 on November 01, 2012, 03:39:18 am
*glances at avatar*My god. Gingers.
I used to have redish hair when I were a child.
But now, it's more of a brown hue, altough my facial hair is kind of redish/orang-y for some reason..
I see it now.
Post by: Ultimuh on November 01, 2012, 03:42:13 am
Ofcourse, I kind of exagurrated it for the avatar. :p*glances at avatar*My god. Gingers.
I used to have redish hair when I were a child.
But now, it's more of a brown hue, altough my facial hair is kind of redish/orang-y for some reason..
I see it now.
Mostly because when I made it I was not sure how to get the different color hues right and just used the basic colors.
Post by: Vattic on November 01, 2012, 04:46:48 am
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Don't tell me I'm wrong in my flat.After being corrected over the pronunciation of corps.
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Do we live on the inside or on the outside of the world?Not a completely unfair question as people do say we live in the world but still.
Edit: fixed second quote.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 01, 2012, 06:15:51 am
Post by: Vattic on November 01, 2012, 06:20:18 am
Post by: Ultimuh on November 01, 2012, 06:21:47 am
Always been kind of a loner.
Wait.. you aren't talking metaphorically are you?
Post by: Vattic on November 01, 2012, 06:48:45 am
Post by: tomio175 on November 01, 2012, 07:15:32 am
"If god is all-powerful, can God create a stone he can't lift?" -Me.
That guy was speechless after that.
Post by: Descan on November 01, 2012, 07:17:55 am
... This guy, guys. This guy.
Post by: miauw62 on November 01, 2012, 07:56:44 am
Post by: Bohandas on November 01, 2012, 08:22:19 am
Post by: RedKing on November 01, 2012, 10:48:39 am
Ask him to what dimension this bridge leads.It's the Trans-Dimensional Bridge to Nowhere. So...probably Alaska.
Can't remember if I posted this one or not.
Me: Okay, look in the bottom right corner, next to the clock.
Luser: I don't see it.
Me: It's right next to the clock.
Luser: I don't have a clock.
Me: Is your taskbar there? You've got the Start button on the left and a bunch of icons on the right?
Luser: Yes, but I don't....is it next to that thing that tells me what time it is? I have that.
Post by: Descan on November 01, 2012, 11:09:36 am
Anton LaVey AND L. Ron Hubbard?Yes. In the forties. When Anton was 10, and I don't know how old Hubbard was, but still?
Post by: RedKing on November 01, 2012, 11:15:22 am
Yeah, that was more or less my reaction.Ask him to what dimension this bridge leads.It's the Trans-Dimensional Bridge to Nowhere. So...probably Alaska.
Can't remember if I posted this one or not.
Me: Okay, look in the bottom right corner, next to the clock.
Luser: I don't see it.
Me: It's right next to the clock.
Luser: I don't have a clock.
Me: Is your taskbar there? You've got the Start button on the left and a bunch of icons on the right?
Luser: Yes, but I don't....is it next to that thing that tells me what time it is? I have that.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 01, 2012, 11:27:06 am
Actually, the LHC is supposed to generate the Bifröst. I, for one, welcome our new afterlife.Yeah, that was more or less my reaction.Ask him to what dimension this bridge leads.It's the Trans-Dimensional Bridge to Nowhere. So...probably Alaska.
Can't remember if I posted this one or not.
Me: Okay, look in the bottom right corner, next to the clock.
Luser: I don't see it.
Me: It's right next to the clock.
Luser: I don't have a clock.
Me: Is your taskbar there? You've got the Start button on the left and a bunch of icons on the right?
Luser: Yes, but I don't....is it next to that thing that tells me what time it is? I have that.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: RedKing on November 01, 2012, 11:39:47 am
I.........what? ???Actually, the LHC is supposed to generate the Bifröst. I, for one, welcome our new afterlife.Yeah, that was more or less my reaction.Ask him to what dimension this bridge leads.It's the Trans-Dimensional Bridge to Nowhere. So...probably Alaska.
Can't remember if I posted this one or not.
Me: Okay, look in the bottom right corner, next to the clock.
Luser: I don't see it.
Me: It's right next to the clock.
Luser: I don't have a clock.
Me: Is your taskbar there? You've got the Start button on the left and a bunch of icons on the right?
Luser: Yes, but I don't....is it next to that thing that tells me what time it is? I have that.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fucking rainbow bridges, how do they work?
Post by: Oliolli on November 01, 2012, 11:42:21 am
Post by: Hanslanda on November 01, 2012, 12:27:37 pm
"God is all-powerful, you can't deny that with all the evidence in the Bible!" - Random christian dude
"If god is all-powerful, can God create a stone he can't lift?" -Me.
That guy was speechless after that.
A coworker of dubious intelligence I know, once said, "Read your bible, it always has something to help you out!"
Hm. A quick check into the bible on the subject of baking and rape-law yielded horrifying, yet hilarious results. She was not amused. And then I told her I was a muslim, and she flipped out. Good times.
Post by: Tellemurius on November 01, 2012, 01:19:57 pm
(joke racist remark)
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 01, 2012, 01:33:51 pm
"God is all-powerful, you can't deny that with all the evidence in the Bible!" - Random christian dude
"If god is all-powerful, can God create a stone he can't lift?" -Me.
That guy was speechless after that.
A coworker of dubious intelligence I know, once said, "Read your bible, it always has something to help you out!"
Hm. A quick check into the bible on the subject of baking and rape-law yielded horrifying, yet hilarious results. She was not amused. And then I told her I was a muslim, and she flipped out. Good times.
To be fair, that statement can help you. Unfortunately, it only helps you if you studied philosophics, or bible studies or something. There's a lot of layers of meaning in the bible.
Most of which can be summarized as :
Be a nice guy, be forgiving, and enjoy yourself.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 01, 2012, 01:38:00 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 01, 2012, 01:39:40 pm
I love telling the racist assholes around my town that I'm a muslim."God is all-powerful, you can't deny that with all the evidence in the Bible!" - Random christian dude
"If god is all-powerful, can God create a stone he can't lift?" -Me.
That guy was speechless after that.
A coworker of dubious intelligence I know, once said, "Read your bible, it always has something to help you out!"
Hm. A quick check into the bible on the subject of baking and rape-law yielded horrifying, yet hilarious results. She was not amused. And then I told her I was a muslim, and she flipped out. Good times.
It pisses off the actual muslims around here though so I don't do it anymore.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 01, 2012, 01:50:39 pm
The Bible has a whole lot of stuff on forgiveness. If I recall correctly, there are more parables on the goodness of looking past others' faults and forgiving them their failures than on any other subject. Says a lot about the quality of most Christians when the one thing they're supposed to pay the most attention to, they ignore completely in favor of being ignorant at best or downright evil at worst.There are a whole lot of parables about everything in the Bible. A clever person can abuse it to support any point. (though often with some false reasoning or paradoxes.)
Also might want to watch out with those generalizations.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 01, 2012, 02:16:12 pm
I love telling the racist assholes around my town that I'm a muslim.No shit, death for apostasy :|
It pisses off the actual muslims around here though so I don't do it anymore.
Post by: SealyStar on November 01, 2012, 02:37:22 pm
A teacher pointed out that other people were doing the exact same things at roughly the same time... so the kid said he would go back and kill them, too.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 01, 2012, 02:41:04 pm
Post by: RedKing on November 01, 2012, 02:42:17 pm
Someone at school stated that he wanted to go back in time and kill Isaac Newton so that calculus and modern physics would disappear, and he wouldn't have to learn them.
A teacher pointed out that other people were doing the exact same things at roughly the same time... so the kid said he would go back and kill them, too.
But....you'd need calculus and physics to invent a time machine.
Tell him if he killed Newton, he'd be stuck in the past forever. WITHOUT INTERNET.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 01, 2012, 02:43:50 pm
I really like this setting.
Post by: Sirus on November 01, 2012, 02:46:28 pm
I'm now imagining a world where various sciences are kept from advancing past a certain point by time-travelling assassins.National Novel Writing Month is going on right now, you know :D
I really like this setting.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 01, 2012, 02:47:37 pm
I'm now imagining a world where various sciences are kept from advancing past a certain point by time-travelling assassins.One problem.
I really like this setting.
You cannot defeat Isaac Newton without first mastering basic maths and physics.
By the time you can defeat him, travel back in time and kill him - thus trapping you in that era,
You become him.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 01, 2012, 02:49:02 pm
I'm now imagining a world where various sciences are kept from advancing past a certain point by time-travelling assassins.
I really like this setting.
National Novel Writing Month is going on right now, you know :D
I think this would make a better roleplaying setting than a book.
I'm now imagining a world where various sciences are kept from advancing past a certain point by time-travelling assassins.
I really like this setting.
One problem.
You cannot defeat Isaac Newton without first mastering basic maths and physics.
By the time you can defeat him, travel back in time and kill him - thus trapping you in that era,
You become him.
This, on the other hand, would make a fantastic movie.
Post by: Bohandas on November 01, 2012, 03:15:00 pm
"God is all-powerful, you can't deny that with all the evidence in the Bible!" - Random christian dude
"If god is all-powerful, can God create a stone he can't lift?" -Me.
That guy was speechless after that.
A coworker of dubious intelligence I know, once said, "Read your bible, it always has something to help you out!"
Hm. A quick check into the bible on the subject of baking and rape-law yielded horrifying, yet hilarious results. She was not amused. And then I told her I was a muslim, and she flipped out. Good times.
To be fair, that statement can help you. Unfortunately, it only helps you if you studied philosophics, or bible studies or something. There's a lot of layers of meaning in the bible.
Most of which can be summarized as :
Be a nice guy, be forgiving, and enjoy yourself.
The Bible is very wise as long as you tear out and burn everything that isn't either the Book of Ecclesiastes or the portions of the Gospels included in Jefferson's The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 01, 2012, 03:24:19 pm
"God is all-powerful, you can't deny that with all the evidence in the Bible!" - Random christian dude
"If god is all-powerful, can God create a stone he can't lift?" -Me.
That guy was speechless after that.
A coworker of dubious intelligence I know, once said, "Read your bible, it always has something to help you out!"
Hm. A quick check into the bible on the subject of baking and rape-law yielded horrifying, yet hilarious results. She was not amused. And then I told her I was a muslim, and she flipped out. Good times.
To be fair, that statement can help you. Unfortunately, it only helps you if you studied philosophics, or bible studies or something. There's a lot of layers of meaning in the bible.
Most of which can be summarized as :
Be a nice guy, be forgiving, and enjoy yourself.
The Bible is very wise as long as you tear out and burn everything that isn't either the Book of Ecclesiastes or the portions of the Gospels included in Jefferson's The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.
I'm pretty sure a professionall Bible analyst might not share that opinion. It's just that some parts might easily be misinterpreted.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 01, 2012, 03:47:33 pm
Post by: Alnos on November 01, 2012, 08:44:14 pm
"Albert Einstein, you know, the guy who created Frankenstein!" - My little brother
Post by: Descan on November 01, 2012, 08:49:33 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 02, 2012, 03:16:31 am
I would love if Albert had a brother named Frank...I see what you did there.
Post by: Sheb on November 02, 2012, 05:52:04 am
Post by: RedKing on November 02, 2012, 09:55:56 am
This may have already happened. More than once. Didn't Vector have kind of a Newton fetish?I'm now imagining a world where various sciences are kept from advancing past a certain point by time-travelling assassins.One problem.
I really like this setting.
You cannot defeat Isaac Newton without first mastering basic maths and physics.
By the time you can defeat him, travel back in time and kill him - thus trapping you in that era,
You become him.
Post by: Shinotsa on November 02, 2012, 10:07:22 am
This may have already happened. More than once. Didn't Vector have kind of a Newton fetish?I'm now imagining a world where various sciences are kept from advancing past a certain point by time-travelling assassins.One problem.
I really like this setting.
You cannot defeat Isaac Newton without first mastering basic maths and physics.
By the time you can defeat him, travel back in time and kill him - thus trapping you in that era,
You become him.
This is now my view of history because it is much more interesting than the alternative
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 02, 2012, 10:08:08 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 02, 2012, 10:08:33 am
Wait... Who was the original Newton?Newton
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 02, 2012, 10:09:34 am
Of course you would say that, you follow a Newtonian timeline! Not like a Vectorian.Wait... Who was the original Newton?Newton
Post by: Mephansteras on November 02, 2012, 11:09:10 am
This may have already happened. More than once. Didn't Vector have kind of a Newton fetish?
I thought that was a Genghis Khan fetish? Or maybe she had more than one fetish.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 02, 2012, 11:30:47 am
Nah, that was LW(?)This may have already happened. More than once. Didn't Vector have kind of a Newton fetish?
I thought that was a Genghis Khan fetish? Or maybe she had more than one fetish.
I think. And it was Genghis Sans.
Post by: da_nang on November 02, 2012, 11:37:04 am
And it was Genghis Sans.The Coming of the Sans? No, wait...
ATTACK OF THE HANS
Post by: Hanslanda on November 02, 2012, 12:06:05 pm
And it was Genghis Sans.The Coming of the Sans? No, wait...
ATTACK OF THE HANS
Shit, I've been discovered. Abort, ABORT!
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 02, 2012, 12:16:36 pm
Nope. That was Vector.Nah, that was LW(?)This may have already happened. More than once. Didn't Vector have kind of a Newton fetish?
I thought that was a Genghis Khan fetish? Or maybe she had more than one fetish.
I think. And it was Genghis Sans.
It was less a fetish for Ghengis Khan and more a really sexy statue of him in a meuseum somewhere.
I heard it turned NPH even more gay than usual. Gay for Ghengis.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 02, 2012, 12:36:15 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on November 02, 2012, 12:39:55 pm
Oh god the Genghis Sans thread was terrifying :D
...
Genghis Sans huh?
Post by: misko27 on November 02, 2012, 01:02:46 pm
Beware! The wrath of god is upon you, well-fonted mortals! Quake with fear as your keyboards and typewriters are burned to the ground! Beware the Sans Khan!Oh god the Genghis Sans thread was terrifying :D
...
Genghis Sans huh?
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 02, 2012, 01:49:18 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 02, 2012, 01:55:59 pm
I quite like Comic Sans.Are you a duck?
Post by: Xantalos on November 02, 2012, 01:57:50 pm
Huh? I can confess to not hating it.I quite like Comic Sans.Are you a duck?
Post by: Flying Dice on November 02, 2012, 02:04:36 pm
Incidentally...
*Spend whole class listening to an echochamber lead by the professor accepting Anselm's Ontological Argument without question.*
Professor: "Hey, [Dice], want to join the academic debate team for your dorm?"
I swear, it's like the world is conspiring to force me to become some sort of desk-destroying monster.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 02, 2012, 02:07:22 pm
Not last time I checked.I quite like Comic Sans.Are you a duck?
Post by: Reelya on November 02, 2012, 02:31:53 pm
It was a lot of work mangling and obscurifying (shh) that reference.
Incidentally...
*Spend whole class listening to an echochamber lead by the professor accepting Anselm's Ontological Argument without question.*
Professor: "Hey, [Dice], want to join the academic debate team for your dorm?"
I swear, it's like the world is conspiring to force me to become some sort of desk-destroying monster.
"And assuredly, a penis longer than any which can be conceived cannot exist in the understanding alone: then it can be conceived to exist in reality, which is greater."
I just slightly paraphrased Anselm's Ontological Argument to prove the existence of inconceivably giant dongs. I can actually conceive of planet-sized dongs. How big is the real "space dong"?
Post by: SealyStar on November 02, 2012, 02:34:44 pm
I personally don't like it, but I'll accept it.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 02, 2012, 04:21:28 pm
It was a lot of work mangling and obscurifying (shh) that reference.
Incidentally...
*Spend whole class listening to an echochamber lead by the professor accepting Anselm's Ontological Argument without question.*
Professor: "Hey, [Dice], want to join the academic debate team for your dorm?"
I swear, it's like the world is conspiring to force me to become some sort of desk-destroying monster.
"And assuredly, a penis longer than any which can be conceived cannot exist in the understanding alone: then it can be conceived to exist in reality, which is greater."
I just slightly paraphrased Anselm's Ontological Argument to prove the existence of inconceivably giant dongs. I can actually conceive of planet-sized dongs. How big is the real "space dong"?
I've been working on a way to counter it on two fronts as succinctly as possible, in order to prevent interjections:
One of the most basic ways to test an argument is by preserving the form but removing the subject. In this case, remove all instances of 'God' and replace them with '[whatever]'. [yadda yadda] as you can see, the form of the argument is invalid in this case, therefore it is invalid in every case.
In Anselm's reply to Gaunilo he essentially states that the argument is not invalidated because God is special. For the sake of the discussion, I'll assume in this instance that God, if he existed, would indeed have a special ability which makes invalid arguments into valid ones if they are being used to prove that He exists. Anselm assumes that this special ability of God's is in effect (otherwise he would be forced to admit that his argument is invalid), therefore he is also assuming that God exists, as the special ability would not take effect if God did not exist in reality.
In other words, Anselm has an unstated 0th premise in his Ontological Argument: "God exists in reality." This 0th premise makes the rest of the argument irrelevant, as it can effectively be shortened to this:
"God exists in reality.
Therefore, God exists in reality."
So then, if we do not accept as a matter of faith that God exists, then Anselm's argument is invalid. If we do accept that God exists, then it is circular reasoning.
___
Any fat to trim there? More importantly, how much will I piss off the fundies, on a scale of One to Lynch Mob?
Post by: bombzero on November 02, 2012, 04:25:34 pm
It was a lot of work mangling and obscurifying (shh) that reference.
Incidentally...
*Spend whole class listening to an echochamber lead by the professor accepting Anselm's Ontological Argument without question.*
Professor: "Hey, [Dice], want to join the academic debate team for your dorm?"
I swear, it's like the world is conspiring to force me to become some sort of desk-destroying monster.
"And assuredly, a penis longer than any which can be conceived cannot exist in the understanding alone: then it can be conceived to exist in reality, which is greater."
I just slightly paraphrased Anselm's Ontological Argument to prove the existence of inconceivably giant dongs. I can actually conceive of planet-sized dongs. How big is the real "space dong"?
I've been working on a way to counter it on two fronts as succinctly as possible, in order to prevent interjections:
One of the most basic ways to test an argument is by preserving the form but removing the subject. In this case, remove all instances of 'God' and replace them with '[whatever]'. [yadda yadda] as you can see, the form of the argument is invalid in this case, therefore it is invalid in every case.
In Anselm's reply to Gaunilo he essentially states that the argument is not invalidated because God is special. For the sake of the discussion, I'll assume in this instance that God, if he existed, would indeed have a special ability which makes invalid arguments into valid ones if they are being used to prove that He exists. Anselm assumes that this special ability of God's is in effect (otherwise he would be forced to admit that his argument is invalid), therefore he is also assuming that God exists, as the special ability would not take effect if God did not exist in reality.
In other words, Anselm has an unstated 0th premise in his Ontological Argument: "God exists in reality." This 0th premise makes the rest of the argument irrelevant, as it can effectively be shortened to this:
"God exists in reality.
Therefore, God exists in reality."
So then, if we do not accept as a matter of faith that God exists, then Anselm's argument is invalid. If we do accept that God exists, then it is circular reasoning.
___
Any fat to trim there? More importantly, how much will I piss off the fundies, on a scale of One to Lynch Mob?
Sounds good so far. I like it, nice and succinct while getting the point across hard.
Oh, "Lynch Mob" btw, fundamentalists don't like people using rational thought, at all.
Post by: Reelya on November 02, 2012, 05:33:36 pm
There are really two extra axioms used in this extension:
"God has a necessary existence"
"This rest of the argument only applies for things with a necessary existence"
Post by: Oliolli on November 03, 2012, 02:44:08 am
/me grabs The God Delusion.
It was somewhere in here...
AH! Here it is!
p. 107-108
Douglas Gasking's ontological argument about god's non-existance.
1. The creation of the world is the most marvellous achievment imagunable.
2. The merit of an achievement is the product of (a) its intrinsic quality, an (b) the ability of its creator.
3. The greater the disability (or handicap) of the creator, the more impressive the achievement.
4. The most formidable handicap for a creator would be non-existance.
5. Therefore if we suppose that the universe is the product of an existent creator we can convince a greater being - namely, one who created everything while not existing.
6. An existing God therefore would not be a being of which a greater cannot be conceived because an even more formidable and incredible creator would be a God which does not exist.
Ergo:
7. God does not exist.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 03, 2012, 03:54:18 am
Post by: miauw62 on November 03, 2012, 06:18:17 am
Today's god is all boring and restrictive.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 03, 2012, 06:54:49 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 03, 2012, 07:07:39 am
We stopped sacrificing to him. Guess what we have a lot of today?
Atheists: 0
Monotheists: 0
Pagans: 1
Post by: MaximumZero on November 03, 2012, 07:42:30 am
Not really. A lot of the Gods were really practical. For example Zeus, averter of flies.I don't really buy that. We stopped sacrificing stuff to Thor a long time ago, and yet there's still no frost giants.
We stopped sacrificing to him. Guess what we have a lot of today?
Atheists: 0
Monotheists: 0
Pagans: 1
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 03, 2012, 08:10:11 am
You don't worship the Norse Gods by sacrificing though. You do it by fighting.Not really. A lot of the Gods were really practical. For example Zeus, averter of flies.I don't really buy that. We stopped sacrificing stuff to Thor a long time ago, and yet there's still no frost giants.
We stopped sacrificing to him. Guess what we have a lot of today?
Atheists: 0
Monotheists: 0
Pagans: 1
Last I checked humanity's always been at war somewhere, and there are no frost giants.
PAAAAGAAAAAAANS: 2
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 03, 2012, 09:01:59 am
surely sacrifice would attract more flies to the corpses?/fire
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 03, 2012, 09:08:48 am
Quote
Obamacare, Obama's crowning acheivement.
This says alot about our government.
Post by: misko27 on November 03, 2012, 01:42:21 pm
I was listening to the radio this morning:Yes it does. I'm not clear on what though. It's pretty well-known amongst pundits and analysts that the Affordable Healthcare act is his signature legislative achievement.QuoteObamacare, Obama's crowning acheivement.
This says alot about our government.
Of course, I say legislative because killing hated terrorists and toppling repressive Dictators is pretty impressive either way.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 03, 2012, 01:58:54 pm
Post by: SealyStar on November 03, 2012, 02:28:09 pm
Monotheists win the "security/feel-good" category.
Atheists win the "logic/reason" category.
Pagans win the "fun" category.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 03, 2012, 02:30:52 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 03, 2012, 02:33:37 pm
Post by: SealyStar on November 03, 2012, 02:35:36 pm
And Agnostics win the "dude, who cares, just have fun" one :)
Agnostics combine the rationality of atheism with the carefreeness of paganism. Yes.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 03, 2012, 02:37:51 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 03, 2012, 02:39:29 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on November 05, 2012, 10:05:01 am
What about unitheism? Belief in "all the same god". And what about godless religions?Other religions don't actually exist, ask any fundie.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 05, 2012, 11:12:38 am
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 11:16:52 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 05, 2012, 11:19:18 am
Post by: Reelya on November 05, 2012, 11:20:26 am
"I'm holding the trunk". No, dude you hope that what's in your hand is the trunk ...
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 05, 2012, 11:24:10 am
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 11:27:24 am
Actually no, I don't want to be labeled.
Post by: Bohandas on November 05, 2012, 11:34:42 am
On a more serious note, I find that atheism is the least caring. If your mind never even comes close to the subject of religion then I'd say you're an atheist.
No, that would be agnostic. Disbelief implies that you necessarily must have thought about it at least a little bit, whereas one who has never thought about it at all would default to agnosticism.
Post by: Zangi on November 05, 2012, 11:46:41 am
So... if I understand this...(which I probably don't...) if someone talks about religion around you and your mind idly thinks of said religion... you are no longer agnostic?On a more serious note, I find that atheism is the least caring. If your mind never even comes close to the subject of religion then I'd say you're an atheist.
No, that would be agnostic. Disbelief implies that you necessarily must have thought about it at least a little bit, whereas one who has never thought about it at all would default to agnosticism.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 05, 2012, 11:48:58 am
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 11:50:14 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 05, 2012, 11:56:35 am
On a more serious note, I find that atheism is the least caring. If your mind never even comes close to the subject of religion then I'd say you're an atheist.
No, that would be agnostic. Disbelief implies that you necessarily must have thought about it at least a little bit, whereas one who has never thought about it at all would default to agnosticism.
I disagree. I think agnosticism requires you to have thought about it a bit. If someone has never heard of dragons, we don't say "Ha, that guy thinks dragons might exist since he's never consciously rejected the idea." Atheism can either be from rejection or the blank slate.
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 12:00:39 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on November 05, 2012, 12:04:06 pm
I think we should have different labels for the "rejection" and "blank slate" atheists.On a more serious note, I find that atheism is the least caring. If your mind never even comes close to the subject of religion then I'd say you're an atheist.
No, that would be agnostic. Disbelief implies that you necessarily must have thought about it at least a little bit, whereas one who has never thought about it at all would default to agnosticism.
I disagree. I think agnosticism requires you to have thought about it a bit. If someone has never heard of dragons, we don't say "Ha, that guy thinks dragons might exist since he's never consciously rejected the idea." Atheism can either be from rejection or the blank slate.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 12:06:18 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 12:07:18 pm
But if we do that then the "Meh"-gnostics will get labeled next! Nooooo!
I think we should have different labels for the "rejection" and "blank slate" atheists.
I believe in dragons. That is all.Comodo dragons, fuck yeah!
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 12:09:05 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 05, 2012, 12:11:10 pm
On a more serious note, I find that atheism is the least caring. If your mind never even comes close to the subject of religion then I'd say you're an atheist.
No, that would be agnostic. Disbelief implies that you necessarily must have thought about it at least a little bit, whereas one who has never thought about it at all would default to agnosticism.
I disagree. I think agnosticism requires you to have thought about it a bit. If someone has never heard of dragons, we don't say "Ha, that guy thinks dragons might exist since he's never consciously rejected the idea." Atheism can either be from rejection or the blank slate.
I think we should have different labels for the "rejection" and "blank slate" atheists.
Why? Lack of belief is lack of belief. I wasn't raised religiously so I never rejected a religion, but I have the same views as my friends who did.
Post by: Scoops Novel on November 05, 2012, 12:12:14 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 12:14:13 pm
That would lump both atheists and agnostics together. What differentiates the two is that the former outright defies any theistic belief.
Why? Lack of belief is lack of belief.
Post by: Descan on November 05, 2012, 12:14:46 pm
But if somehow (a) god(s) were proven tomorrow, if something supernatural were to be proven tomorrow, I'd say "Sure, I believe in him."
I just wouldn't worship him. Guy would have to be a world-class asshole, considering the world as it is. I might even contemplate finding a lawyer to file a class-action lawsuit against him. Why, with all the deaths and disasters pinned on "Act of God" already, that alone would be a cinch.
... I wonder, if capital-g God exists, that might mean Hell exists. Which means we might be able to get there, and rescue all the people there. Which would pretty much make everything humans have ever done worth having been done.
And it would be just -fascinating!- to watch science unravel him into an explained phenomenon, including how all the stuff we know now as godless phenomenon would be explained with god(s) in the picture.
Post by: Zangi on November 05, 2012, 12:16:48 pm
Why Christianity didn't pull a roman and take all the badass bits of Greek mythology baffles me. I mean, come on. I would have actually gone to church if were being preached to about Hercules and the Illiad.Hah... I may have been a bit more interested if my catholic school did teach about Hercules and the other stuff. That Hercules show on the sci-fi channel was one of the best show for me as a kid.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 12:18:09 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 12:18:37 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 12:20:30 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 05, 2012, 12:22:10 pm
Komodo dragons are big ugly lizards. I mean real dragons, firebreathing, winged beasts of myth and legend. Also note I said I believe in them. Not I believe they are real. :POne internet for you.
As for the religion debate:While I know you're joking. I'm just reacting to this post because I can.
Monotheists win the "security/feel-good" category.
Atheists win the "logic/reason" category.
Pagans win the "fun" category.
You seem to be confusing monetheism with the tradisionalist/ fundamentalist intrepretations of modern religions.
I've known religious people that put their lives in danger for their beliefs, in order to do what they believed was the right thing to do.
I've read/ met Atheists that failed to make any sense, and so on. (Might even have some of these on this very forum)
Third, I've read texts from Greek philospophers(ie paganistic; or at least that's the context that word was used in) that thrumph both of the above.
13 NInjas. 13.
I consider myself an atheist, but if somehow (a) god(s) were proven tomorrow, if something supernatural were to be proven tomorrow, I'd say "Sure, I believe in him."I consider myself a Christian. And if somehow it was proven tomorrow that God/ Jezus or even most of the saints do/don't exist, I wouldn't even care(To be fair, I would from a scientific point of view). Wherether God does or does not exist does not matter. Besides, the Christian God is not a powerfull, evil smiting one. He got himself nailed to a cross in his own book, for example.
I just wouldn't worship him. Guy would have to be a world-class asshole, considering the world as it is. I might even contemplate finding a lawyer to file a class-action lawsuit against him. Why, with all the deaths and disasters pinned on "Act of God" already, that alone would be a cinch.
... I wonder, if capital-g God exists, that might mean Hell exists. Which means we might be able to get there, and rescue all the people there. Which would pretty much make everything humans have ever done worth having been done.
And it would be just -fascinating!- to watch science unravel him into an explained phenomenon, including how all the stuff we know now as godless phenomenon would be explained with god(s) in the picture.
EDIt: 17 NINjas, still counting.
Anyway, as awesome as the screenplay Descan's post made me think of is, can we kindly move onto something that isn't religious debate please?Oi, religious debates are fun as long as they don't inflame.
I'm pretty sure they did, at least a bit. It's just that not all the morals fit with those of the Bible. Sure, could adjust them and such, but...Why Christianity didn't pull a roman and take all the badass bits of Greek mythology baffles me. I mean, come on. I would have actually gone to church if were being preached to about Hercules and the Illiad.Hah... I may have been a bit more interested if my catholic school did teach about Hercules and the other stuff. That Hercules show on the sci-fi channel was one of the best show for me as a kid.
Besides, let's not forget that the Bible(at least the NT) was made in some Concilium in Rome by the church's leaders 1500 years ago.
I hate ninjas.
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 12:23:43 pm
Welcome to the club!
I hate ninjas.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 12:25:58 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 12:26:46 pm
Post by: Descan on November 05, 2012, 12:27:26 pm
Why would he send the main part of that plan, Judas reporting to the Romans where Jesus was, why would he send the keystone of his plan to Hell for doing what was supposedly needed for his grand plan?
It doesn't even make a good story! Especially since "Jesus died for you! It was a huge sacrifice!" and "Jesus is alive eternally and waiting in paradise for us to join him!" are so... so contradictory. It's like a story a five year old would make up!
If I was promised eternity in paradise, I'd go on the cross for three YEARS, let alone three days.
Post by: Reelya on November 05, 2012, 12:27:55 pm
I was just thinking 10ebbor10's "13 NInjas" sounds like an awesome title for a fast-paced b-grade martial arts flick.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 12:29:38 pm
The problem I have with the most basic tenet that every single (extant, there might be some extinct branches that got rid of this. Bit hard to call yourself a Christian if you do, though) branch of Christianity has in common, is that why would an omnipotent, omni-benevolent god have to become a human, travel around preaching to people, then get himself sacrificed to himself to appease his own petty, arbitrary decree that something must die to soothe a persons sins? Why couldn't he just say "Eh, no more sacrificing." Why was the sacrifice needed in the first place?
Why would he send the main part of that plan, Judas reporting to the Romans where Jesus was, why would he send the keystone of his plan to Hell for doing what was supposedly needed for his grand plan?
It doesn't even make a good story! Especially since "Jesus died for you! It was a huge sacrifice!" and "Jesus is alive eternally and waiting in paradise for us to join him!" are so... so contradictory. It's like a story a five year old would make up!
If I was promised eternity in paradise, I'd go on the cross for three YEARS, let alone three days.
Blue Orange morality maybe? What is it that's always said, "God has a plan for you, even if it seems abritrarily cruel and haphazard." Well, they just say God has a plan for you, even if you don't understand, but that's their intent anyway.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 05, 2012, 12:35:27 pm
The problem I have with the most basic tenet that every single (extant, there might be some extinct branches that got rid of this. Bit hard to call yourself a Christian if you do, though) branch of Christianity has in common, is that why would an omnipotent, omni-benevolent god have to become a human, travel around preaching to people, then get himself sacrificed to himself to appease his own petty, arbitrary decree that something must die to soothe a persons sins? Why couldn't he just say "Eh, no more sacrificing." Why was the sacrifice needed in the first place?The Biblical God is not omnipotent, nor omnibenevolent. (For the first, see pretty much the entire Bible, for the second Sodom and Gomorra, amongst others).
Why would he send the main part of that plan, Judas reporting to the Romans where Jesus was, why would he send the keystone of his plan to Hell for doing what was supposedly needed for his grand plan?
It doesn't even make a good story! Especially since "Jesus died for you! It was a huge sacrifice!" and "Jesus is alive eternally and waiting in paradise for us to join him!" are so... so contradictory. It's like a story a five year old would make up!
The reason the Bible doesn't make sense is because it's not written to be taken litterally. (Actually, this reasoning is the wrong way around. We think the Bible was not written literally because it makes no sense that way).
The rest of the Biblical story is basically a breakdown of the mimetic effects on which the original religions where based. Stopping sacrificial things, cutting of the scapegoat mechanism.
Or at least that's one intrepretation.
More information: Link (http://erikbuys.wordpress.com/) (Which is btw the blog of my religion teacher at school. So bugger him about stuff.)
Also, Frickking ninjas.
One intrepretation, but a bad one. That line of reasoning leads to the fact that everything is part of God's greater plan (which is good), and that there is therefore no such thing as evil or sin. Which means that you should not judge anybody for their deeds, amongst others.The problem I have with the most basic tenet that every single (extant, there might be some extinct branches that got rid of this. Bit hard to call yourself a Christian if you do, though) branch of Christianity has in common, is that why would an omnipotent, omni-benevolent god have to become a human, travel around preaching to people, then get himself sacrificed to himself to appease his own petty, arbitrary decree that something must die to soothe a persons sins? Why couldn't he just say "Eh, no more sacrificing." Why was the sacrifice needed in the first place?
Why would he send the main part of that plan, Judas reporting to the Romans where Jesus was, why would he send the keystone of his plan to Hell for doing what was supposedly needed for his grand plan?
It doesn't even make a good story! Especially since "Jesus died for you! It was a huge sacrifice!" and "Jesus is alive eternally and waiting in paradise for us to join him!" are so... so contradictory. It's like a story a five year old would make up!
If I was promised eternity in paradise, I'd go on the cross for three YEARS, let alone three days.
Blue Orange morality maybe? What is it that's always said, "God has a plan for you, even if it seems abritrarily cruel and haphazard." Well, they just say God has a plan for you, even if you don't understand, but that's their intent anyway.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 05, 2012, 12:40:17 pm
Post by: Zangi on November 05, 2012, 12:41:21 pm
His plans may be cruel... if you think about it... Bob's part in the grand scheme of things could just be ending up in a DUI accident with a Preacher's kid. (The kid's purpose was to die in that accident.) The Preacher will in turn Preach to his flock, saying how alcohol is for douchebags and so not in God's favor. Which convinces Joe to campaign for Prohibition, convincing people around him and his politician.... I don't know where I'm going with this.The problem I have with the most basic tenet that every single (extant, there might be some extinct branches that got rid of this. Bit hard to call yourself a Christian if you do, though) branch of Christianity has in common, is that why would an omnipotent, omni-benevolent god have to become a human, travel around preaching to people, then get himself sacrificed to himself to appease his own petty, arbitrary decree that something must die to soothe a persons sins? Why couldn't he just say "Eh, no more sacrificing." Why was the sacrifice needed in the first place?
Why would he send the main part of that plan, Judas reporting to the Romans where Jesus was, why would he send the keystone of his plan to Hell for doing what was supposedly needed for his grand plan?
It doesn't even make a good story! Especially since "Jesus died for you! It was a huge sacrifice!" and "Jesus is alive eternally and waiting in paradise for us to join him!" are so... so contradictory. It's like a story a five year old would make up!
If I was promised eternity in paradise, I'd go on the cross for three YEARS, let alone three days.
Blue Orange morality maybe? What is it that's always said, "God has a plan for you, even if it seems abritrarily cruel and haphazard." Well, they just say God has a plan for you, even if you don't understand, but that's their intent anyway.
Prohibition was repealed. Somehow also part of God's plan. Maybe he wanted mobsters that would end up changing the US Tax Code and increase Federal powers.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on November 05, 2012, 12:41:52 pm
Post by: Scoops Novel on November 05, 2012, 12:46:24 pm
Post by: Zangi on November 05, 2012, 12:49:08 pm
EDIT: Blurgh, how'd I post this here?
On Herman Kaine and his Video Game policies.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 12:53:16 pm
I didn't realise we wre going to turn this into an scp discussion :P (yes, they have "captured" god). On another note, you said it was being controlled by the roman hierarchy, as i know, but why get rid of the badass factor considering how well it sells in civilizations such as Rome?
Same reason, that completely escapes me, that they got rid of gladiatorial combat. Some people just HATE when you have fun.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 05, 2012, 12:54:12 pm
So why does God even need a greater plan?He doesn't have one. or maybe he does. Depends on your intrepretation. ((Don't ignore me.))
I didn't realise we wre going to turn this into an scp discussion :P (yes, they have "captured" god). On another note, you said it was being controlled by the roman hierarchy, as i know, but why get rid of the badass factor considering how well it sells in civilizations such as Rome?Remember when the Christians toke over the Roman empire, or at least their religion. Christianity sold way better than their previous religion.
Actually, one of the tenets preached in Chrsitianity is that we really shouldn't judge anyone, because it's not our place. A 'true' Christian is supposed to be nice to everyone. If a serial killer murdered your family, offer him cookies and try to help him with his issues.Hate the sin, love the sinner. If your whole further live is dominated by your wrathfull quest to bring that one men down, then what life are you living. Is that life devestated by constant misery and hate worth it.
But what if you forgave him, and managed to continue with your life. Forgiviness is not (only) got for the sinner, but also frees the victim.
Sure this is an extreme example, but that's the gist of the Christianity (or at least one flavour of it.)
Ninjas, again. ((Don't worry guys, I forgive the ;D))
Though ninjaing me while I write my ninjad addendum is a bit much.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 12:55:50 pm
Though ninjaing me while I write my ninjad addendum is a bit much.
:D
Post by: miauw62 on November 05, 2012, 12:58:11 pm
Did i really spark a 4-page-long religious debate by mentioning that pagans are awesome?
Post by: Scoops Novel on November 05, 2012, 01:02:12 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 01:09:28 pm
What did i do.
Did i really spark a 4-page-long religious debate by mentioning that pagans are awesome?
Imagine what would have happened if you went in depth about how awesome pagans are. There would have been world wide war.
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 01:10:16 pm
Luxembourg's hitchhiker's guide to the galxy entry? And how many real versions of such are up on the webs?Wait what how when where and why don't I know about this?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 05, 2012, 01:23:53 pm
Not really. Long in depth things tend to be ignored.What did i do.
Did i really spark a 4-page-long religious debate by mentioning that pagans are awesome?
Imagine what would have happened if you went in depth about how awesome pagans are. There would have been world wide war.
Sort of precessor to wikipedia. Something of a copy between tvtropes and the former actually. (http://www.h2g2.com/)Luxembourg's hitchhiker's guide to the galxy entry? And how many real versions of such are up on the webs?Wait what how when where and why don't I know about this?
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 01:26:44 pm
Who am I kidding I couldn't give any less fucks.
Quote
Luxembourg is home to Auchan, possibly the world's greatest supermarket.They don't have any twigglets. Fucking disqualified.
Post by: Scoops Novel on November 05, 2012, 01:34:40 pm
Post by: Oliolli on November 05, 2012, 02:09:37 pm
Agnostic theist is "I don't know if god exists, but I think he does." and gnostic theist (the more common theist) is "I know god exists."
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 05, 2012, 02:13:23 pm
All that debate on agnosticism vs. atheism. You seem to forget, they don't close each other out. I am personally agnostic atheist. Means "I don't know if god exists, but I don't think he does." Gnostic atheist would be "I know god doesn't exist." (not very common)I've seen quite a few of type 2 around actually.
Agnostic theist is "I don't know if god exists, but I think he does." and gnostic theist (the more common theist) is "I know god exists."
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 02:14:53 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 02:15:23 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 02:22:09 pm
Just looking at that hubble deep space view with the thirteen some thousand GALAXIES proves to me that we are not unique, we are not special, and we are just a neato little chemical fluke.
But that's just me, I don't really care what anyone else believes, if it makes them happy and they don't turn into frothing idiotic ragemonsters when someone says, "No, I believe otherwise."
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 05, 2012, 02:27:23 pm
You can mess with the meaning of just about every word in that sentence.
For example, what we have up there is a rejection of something which leans towards the evangilistical view of God.
Taking me as example, the following 3 sentences apply , without paradox.
I believe in God.
I know God (probably, we're not counting one in a few billion chances here) doesn't exist.
I believe that God exists.
Post by: Bohandas on November 05, 2012, 03:29:00 pm
On a more serious note, I find that atheism is the least caring. If your mind never even comes close to the subject of religion then I'd say you're an atheist.
No, that would be agnostic. Disbelief implies that you necessarily must have thought about it at least a little bit, whereas one who has never thought about it at all would default to agnosticism.
I disagree. I think agnosticism requires you to have thought about it a bit. If someone has never heard of dragons, we don't say "Ha, that guy thinks dragons might exist since he's never consciously rejected the idea." Atheism can either be from rejection or the blank slate.
A person who has never heard of dragons would be unable to affirm or deny their existence. Similarly a person who had never heard of deities could neither affirm or deny their existence.
Post by: Descan on November 05, 2012, 03:37:23 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 05, 2012, 03:42:55 pm
Oh, and I also think that believing in something that you know to be untrue, or that there is no evidence favouring it over anything else, is not a virtue but a failing. The so-called Faith Virtue? It just seems like a definition of insanity to me.It's just messing with defenitions. Christianity* doesn't proclaim that God physically exists, but that doesn't prevent you from believing in it.
Hell, ideals don't exist either, and probably won't ever, and there are lots of people believing in those.
*Certain flavour, not talking for everyone
Post by: misko27 on November 05, 2012, 05:00:55 pm
Oh, and I also think that believing in something that you know to be untrue, or that there is no evidence favouring it over anything else, is not a virtue but a failing. The so-called Faith Virtue? It just seems like a definition of insanity to me.Do I exist? Can you prove it? Sure, the Computer says I exist, but you're taking that as fact. I could be a intelliegent AI, and there is absolutely nothing you can say or do to prove otherwise. You take what you've learned from science as fact, as you deride others for, do you knowfor a fact that omeone went out and proved all those things? How do you know Einstein ever even existed? No, you take it on the word of your teacher. Whos to say he knows? You take millions of things on faith everyday, yet you choose to deride others for doing the same.
And on the Believing something you know to be untrue, that's doublethink, the other is not equivalent. Choosin something for no reason is not the same as choosing it against evidence. Is the fact that you, say, like the color blue, while others like red a personal failing? How about sexual preference? Most people re heterosexual, does that make you wrong? No.
Sorry, be more sensitive with your comments in the future.
Post by: Bohandas on November 05, 2012, 05:04:39 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 05, 2012, 05:07:03 pm
But at least you don't exclusively talk to people who are schizophrenic.I don't understand this sentense. To whom are you speaking to?
Post by: Bohandas on November 05, 2012, 05:08:58 pm
But at least you don't exclusively talk to people who are schizophrenic.I don't understand this sentense. To whom are you speaking to?
Fixed version, sort of, is below...
But at least you don't exclusively talk to people who are schizophrenic.Oh, and I also think that believing in something that you know to be untrue, or that there is no evidence favouring it over anything else, is not a virtue but a failing. The so-called Faith Virtue? It just seems like a definition of insanity to me.Do I exist? Can you prove it? Sure, the Computer says I exist, but you're taking that as fact. I could be a intelliegent AI, and there is absolutely nothing you can say or do to prove otherwise.
(as opposed to God, that is. Anybody who claims that God has spoken to them or otherwise communicated with them is a safe bet as being either a schizophrenic or an acid head. Whereas we've all corresponded with you on this messageboard)
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 05, 2012, 05:16:50 pm
Debatable. One might argue that myself arguing for the practicality of PAGAAANS was the better catalyst, because it had more Pagans in it.What did i do.
Did i really spark a 4-page-long religious debate by mentioning that pagans are awesome?
Imagine what would have happened if you went in depth about how awesome pagans are. There would have been world wide war.
Also Pagan sans.
Post by: misko27 on November 05, 2012, 05:19:03 pm
Well, my point is that you guys take it on faith i am who I say I am, when I could well be Loud Whispers alternate account (I'm not).But at least you don't exclusively talk to people who are schizophrenic.I don't understand this sentense. To whom are you speaking to?
Fixed version, sort of, is below...But at least you don't exclusively talk to people who are schizophrenic.Oh, and I also think that believing in something that you know to be untrue, or that there is no evidence favouring it over anything else, is not a virtue but a failing. The so-called Faith Virtue? It just seems like a definition of insanity to me.Do I exist? Can you prove it? Sure, the Computer says I exist, but you're taking that as fact. I could be a intelliegent AI, and there is absolutely nothing you can say or do to prove otherwise.
(as opposed to God, that is. Anybody who claims that God has spoken to them or otherwise communicated with them is a safe bet as being either a schizophrenic or an acid head. Whereas we've all corresponded with you on this messageboard)
Post by: misko27 on November 05, 2012, 05:20:33 pm
What about Kublai Sans?Genghis Sans beats Pagan Sans.Debatable. One might argue that myself arguing for the practicality of PAGAAANS was the better catalyst, because it had more Pagans in it.What did i do.
Did i really spark a 4-page-long religious debate by mentioning that pagans are awesome?
Imagine what would have happened if you went in depth about how awesome pagans are. There would have been world wide war.
Also Pagan sans.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 05, 2012, 05:25:17 pm
Well, my point is that you guys take it on faith I am who I say I am, when I could well be Loud Whispers alternate account (I am).THE TRUTH HAS BEEN REVEALED
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 05, 2012, 05:29:49 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 05, 2012, 05:38:36 pm
Didn't we do this joke already?Me and myself haven't heard it before :P
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 05:41:28 pm
Post by: Vorthon on November 05, 2012, 05:42:37 pm
Sorry, had to get that out of my system.
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 05:43:34 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 05, 2012, 05:43:46 pm
WAIT. EVERYONE IS TIMECLONES OF EVERYONE ELSE. WE ARE ALL ONE PERSON.Like, everyone everyone?
Sorry, had to get that out of my system.
That makes all the flirting I've been doing awkward...
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 05, 2012, 05:44:25 pm
Pathos is Toady.
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 05:45:15 pm
Post by: Vorthon on November 05, 2012, 05:45:37 pm
WAIT. EVERYONE IS TIMECLONES OF EVERYONE ELSE. WE ARE ALL ONE PERSON.Like, everyone everyone?
Sorry, had to get that out of my system.
That makes all the flirting I've been doing awkward...
Everyone Everyone. Even the pets. Especially the pets.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 05, 2012, 05:45:48 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on November 05, 2012, 05:46:20 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 05, 2012, 05:46:25 pm
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHWAIT. EVERYONE IS TIMECLONES OF EVERYONE ELSE. WE ARE ALL ONE PERSON.Like, everyone everyone?
Sorry, had to get that out of my system.
That makes all the flirting I've been doing awkward...
Everyone Everyone. Even the pets. Especially the pets.
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 05:47:23 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 05, 2012, 05:49:53 pm
I MADE THE NUCLEAR BOMB DROPPED ON HIROSHIMA!Aaaaahhhh why are me such a dick? ;(
I'm now depressed.
Post by: MaximumZero on November 05, 2012, 05:50:51 pm
Because it's you. You are all the dicks. All the dicks are you.I MADE THE NUCLEAR BOMB DROPPED ON HIROSHIMA!Aaaaahhhh why are me such a dick? ;(
I'm now depressed.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 05, 2012, 05:53:18 pm
Post by: Vorthon on November 05, 2012, 05:55:05 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 05, 2012, 05:55:39 pm
Post by: Descan on November 05, 2012, 06:19:48 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 05, 2012, 06:34:04 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 06:36:20 pm
Post by: Vorthon on November 05, 2012, 06:39:54 pm
And you've also done horrible things to yourself...
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 06:40:08 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 07:14:44 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 05, 2012, 07:29:15 pm
I am having sex with myself. :/Wouldn't that be masturbation?
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 07:30:23 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 05, 2012, 07:44:37 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 05, 2012, 07:45:39 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 05, 2012, 07:47:36 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 07:47:46 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 05, 2012, 07:48:17 pm
I mean, as I wish. Whatever.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 05, 2012, 08:04:53 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 08:07:19 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 05, 2012, 09:47:14 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 09:47:44 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 05, 2012, 09:50:26 pm
Derailed.Going to have to be more specific then that, my schizophrenic edible feline friend.
Post by: Vorthon on November 05, 2012, 09:51:14 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 09:51:40 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 05, 2012, 09:51:48 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 05, 2012, 09:58:05 pm
It started with misko admitting to being Loud Whispers' alt, and then it escalated until everyone was the same person.Well then, nice to have been the cause of chaos without doing anything.
Post by: Eagle_eye on November 05, 2012, 10:12:32 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 05, 2012, 10:12:38 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 10:15:29 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 05, 2012, 10:26:17 pm
Get back on the rails. NOW.
Wait. This forum has rails? When did that happen?
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 05, 2012, 10:27:15 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 05, 2012, 10:28:08 pm
Am I the only person who gets annoyed by solipsism?Why? What did those mean solipsists do to you?
Post by: Hanslanda on November 05, 2012, 11:01:31 pm
What the hell happened here!?!
+1
Oddly enough, I explained solipsism to someone today. Obviously you are all just figments of my imagination.
Post by: misko27 on November 05, 2012, 11:17:23 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 06, 2012, 01:42:27 am
Am I the only person who gets annoyed by solipsism?What have you got against valid logical theories? :P
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 06, 2012, 02:07:00 am
Post by: Eagle_eye on November 06, 2012, 07:58:26 am
Post by: Darvi on November 06, 2012, 08:07:13 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 06, 2012, 11:26:44 am
Every forum has rails. Bay 12 just decided that railroad switches are an idiot idea, and prefers to change tracks trough carefully timed derailments.Get back on the rails. NOW.
Wait. This forum has rails? When did that happen?
Post by: Darvi on November 06, 2012, 12:22:41 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 06, 2012, 12:23:41 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 06, 2012, 12:25:10 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 06, 2012, 12:28:20 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 06, 2012, 12:28:29 pm
((Also liable to explode in rainbow glitters.))
Post by: misko27 on November 06, 2012, 12:28:45 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 06, 2012, 12:29:00 pm
I know! A bird!
It's a plane!
It's a-
More like a handmade piece of fireworks. Unpredictable, beautifull and stupidly dangerous.
((Also liable to explode in rainbow glitters.))
bugger.
Post by: Descan on November 06, 2012, 12:29:25 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on November 06, 2012, 12:46:02 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 06, 2012, 12:47:22 pm
You're right.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 06, 2012, 12:48:14 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on November 06, 2012, 12:58:47 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 06, 2012, 01:21:13 pm
:-\I am right.
You're right.
Post by: Darvi on November 06, 2012, 01:21:50 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 06, 2012, 01:24:15 pm
Post by: Oliolli on November 06, 2012, 01:24:25 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 06, 2012, 01:25:10 pm
I'm ahead.How can you type?
Post by: miauw62 on November 06, 2012, 01:25:53 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on November 06, 2012, 01:26:38 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 06, 2012, 01:30:41 pm
WE ARE MANY
WE ARE DAT ASS
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 06, 2012, 01:33:11 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 06, 2012, 01:36:53 pm
Ima chicken lol.I eat chicken. Mmmm. Chiiickeen.
Post by: Oliolli on November 06, 2012, 02:57:32 pm
I'm ahead.How can you type?
I'm only a few seconds ahead. Thus, by the time you log on, you will have arrived into the time of my post.
Post by: Darvi on November 06, 2012, 02:57:59 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 06, 2012, 02:58:48 pm
I think he parsed that as "I am a head"She!
Post by: Darvi on November 06, 2012, 02:59:49 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 06, 2012, 03:01:48 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 06, 2012, 03:02:34 pm
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 06, 2012, 03:03:46 pm
Post by: Descan on November 06, 2012, 03:11:18 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 06, 2012, 03:13:12 pm
Post by: Knight of Fools on November 06, 2012, 03:15:41 pm
I don't mind being called 'it'. I just mind being called 'he'.
Considering all of the men here who have MLP avatars, you may think about making a note in your Personal Text or Signature to let others in on the secret of your femininity. After all, none of us should be bothered to check your profile to check which gender we're talking about. You're on the Internet, and unless you make it painfully obvious, everyone will automatically refer to you as a male. It's nothing personal, it's just how the world works when you communicate solely with words.
Also: If gender confusion is what you're worried about, wouldn't "it" be bad as "he"? Unless you have something against men, there's no reason being thought of as deformed or dehumanized to the point of no gender should be better than being thought to be a male.
Post by: Jellycat12 on November 06, 2012, 03:18:04 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2012, 06:08:54 pm
Or go back to using the Middle English 'a' as a catchall for pretty much every pronoun. Though it could get confusing.
Post by: Graknorke on November 06, 2012, 06:11:52 pm
This is why the singular 'they' needs to stick around.Thon.
Or go back to using the Middle English 'a' as a catchall for pretty much every pronoun. Though it could get confusing.
All we need is that one, simple word and all is fixed. It's even Ryan North approved.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 06, 2012, 06:13:44 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 06, 2012, 06:16:53 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on November 06, 2012, 06:17:38 pm
I thought everyone on the internet was male. I am deceived.The internet: Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are Chris Hansen.
Post by: misko27 on November 06, 2012, 06:21:08 pm
I thought everyone on the internet was male. I am deceived.Not going to stop me from referingvto everyone as "he" or "filthy canadian scum".
Post by: Darvi on November 06, 2012, 06:22:45 pm
Post by: Knight of Fools on November 06, 2012, 07:21:57 pm
The one I prefer is
'The internet: where men are men, women are men, and kids areFBI agentssuper elite h4xx0rs'
Fixed that for you.
Post by: Graknorke on November 06, 2012, 07:35:02 pm
(http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-2090.png)
Post by: misko27 on November 06, 2012, 08:15:27 pm
Post by: Vorthon on November 06, 2012, 09:18:36 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 06, 2012, 09:19:39 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on November 06, 2012, 09:34:26 pm
That's...pretty much exactly the same, man.The one I prefer isI thought everyone on the internet was male. I am deceived.The internet: Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are Chris Hansen.
'The internet: where men are men, women are men, and kids are FBI agents'
Post by: misko27 on November 06, 2012, 09:48:27 pm
Misko has a pathological hatred against hats, you see...I am not certain as to the meaning of this.
I hate candians becase they so deserve it. Look at them, just sitting around. Makes me sick.
Post by: Descan on November 06, 2012, 09:54:53 pm
Calm the fuck down.
Post by: Bohandas on November 06, 2012, 09:57:35 pm
This is why the singular 'they' needs to stick around.
Seconded!
Post by: misko27 on November 06, 2012, 09:57:59 pm
Hey, we got a clinical human trial of a fucking HIV vaccine going on, man.Presumably as a excuse to inject horrible horrible gene-warping diseases on poor africans.
Calm the fuck down.
You monster.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on November 06, 2012, 10:02:09 pm
Post by: Vorthon on November 06, 2012, 10:30:45 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 06, 2012, 10:33:15 pm
Arguably we're better because maple syrup and Tim Hortons.Maple syrup is just for crappy pancakes. You never put it on GOOD pancakes, although I don't imagine the association isn't fitting.
Post by: Vorthon on November 06, 2012, 10:33:59 pm
Post by: Jervill on November 06, 2012, 10:37:20 pm
Post by: SealyStar on November 06, 2012, 10:49:35 pm
Post by: Xantalos on November 07, 2012, 03:11:39 am
You monster. To blaspheme agains the holy Maple is ... dare I say it ...Arguably we're better because maple syrup and Tim Hortons.Maple syrup is just for crappy pancakes. You never put it on GOOD pancakes, although I don't imagine the association isn't fitting.
IMPOLITE.
Post by: Blargityblarg on November 07, 2012, 03:57:10 am
I was heartily amused.
Post by: MaximumZero on November 07, 2012, 04:32:42 am
TIM HORTONS. Less pretentious than that sissy starbucks.There are Tim Hortons' in the US, too. Hell, there's one in my town now!
Post by: Oliolli on November 07, 2012, 05:55:32 am
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
I was heartily amused.
Quote
We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!
When democracy doesn't give the result you want, start a civil war?
Makes sense...
Post by: alexandertnt on November 07, 2012, 06:41:03 am
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
I was heartily amused.
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This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy
In a true Democracy, Donald Trump decides who rules! All hail Donald Trump!
Post by: Oliolli on November 07, 2012, 09:59:05 am
Quote from: Donald Trump
The world is laughing at us.
...did he seriously just say that..?
As in, the same world where 80% of people would've voted for Obama?
Post by: MagmaMcFry on November 07, 2012, 10:03:29 am
Post by: Darvi on November 07, 2012, 10:21:13 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2012, 11:20:05 am
(Get it? Because it's a golf reference and he has that giant fucking flag on a golf course out West. I'll just leave now...)
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 07, 2012, 11:26:19 am
Quote from: Donald Trump
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.
Yeah, man. If we ignore the electoral college we'll see the real winner of the election.
Obama: 59,939,928 votes
Romney: 57,265,737 votes
oops
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2012, 11:27:27 am
Post by: Bohandas on November 07, 2012, 11:59:28 am
Oh we are laughing. Laughing at the people who seriously thought that Romney would get voted or even be a decent president.
Or just laughing at Trump himself, as is par for the course.There was a report about Trump's comments during the news program that I was watching last night and the reporter was, indeed all but openly laughing at Donald Trump (and reminded viewers that Trump "has driven well past the last exit to relevance")
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/brian-williams-donald-trump_n_2087878.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9QSAOi6YW4
Other than Obama being reelected that was the highlight of my night.
Post by: MaximumZero on November 07, 2012, 12:35:08 pm
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on November 07, 2012, 07:23:25 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 07, 2012, 07:29:26 pm
Hey, anything that provides impetus for getting rid of the electoral college is at least partially a good thing.Frankly, considering how it's favoring Dems right now, I disagree. If the lines have moved further to the right come 2016, I'll reconsider. Otherwise, I think I'd keep as is.
Post by: GoombaGeek on November 07, 2012, 08:19:05 pm
(http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-stare.gif)
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 07, 2012, 08:39:22 pm
It just seems like a stupid mentality to promote for a democracy since a mass of "ignorant" voters can completely gloss over a candidate's policies and their potentials simply because they're "the other side." If there were no parties, people would either have to think about a candidates potential for the future of the country and vote accordingly, or the more likely alternative of candidates slinging even more mud at each other.
Also there'd be less likelyhood of media, news stations, etc being biased towards one side or another, they could only be supporting of a specific candidate.
Then again, maybe I just flat out don't like politicians...
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2012, 08:45:22 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 07, 2012, 08:46:30 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on November 07, 2012, 08:47:18 pm
I disagree. It's far more likely people will just not care, and enduce apathy. Of course, I have a low view of my fellow man, so theres that. Still, ignoreance will not suddenly disappear.fello countereymen i think u r to ignoreant 2 no how politis work. plz donat voet.
Post by: misko27 on November 07, 2012, 08:53:28 pm
Goomba, my disgustingly canadian colleague, Bug off. This does not concern you Northerner.I disagree. It's far more likely people will just not care, and enduce apathy. Of course, I have a low view of my fellow man, so theres that. Still, ignoreance will not suddenly disappear.fello countereymen i think u r to ignoreant 2 no how politis work. plz donat voet.
Post by: MaximumZero on November 07, 2012, 09:11:03 pm
Yyyeah, the whole "Bash Canada" thing has gotten pretty old.Goomba, my disgustingly canadian colleague, Bug off. This does not concern you Northerner.I disagree. It's far more likely people will just not care, and enduce apathy. Of course, I have a low view of my fellow man, so theres that. Still, ignoreance will not suddenly disappear.fello countereymen i think u r to ignoreant 2 no how politis work. plz donat voet.
Post by: misko27 on November 07, 2012, 09:15:08 pm
It'd be less old if there were fewer canadians. I mean come on. There a tenth of the Us, and that doesn't include the presumable ice rednecks. How many of their internet goers found there way to Bay12? See? It's like they come out of the woodwork to annoy me.Yyyeah, the whole "Bash Canada" thing has gotten pretty old.Goomba, my disgustingly canadian colleague, Bug off. This does not concern you Northerner.I disagree. It's far more likely people will just not care, and enduce apathy. Of course, I have a low view of my fellow man, so theres that. Still, ignoreance will not suddenly disappear.fello countereymen i think u r to ignoreant 2 no how politis work. plz donat voet.
Plus Goomba is troll, so he is fair game.
Post by: GoombaGeek on November 07, 2012, 09:17:33 pm
Most of the USA is probably too stupid to vote and operate a computer, especially at the same time, so the Canadians pick up the slack.It'd be less old if there were fewer canadians. I mean come on. There a tenth of the Us, and that doesn't include the presumable ice rednecks. How many of their internet goers found there way to Bay12? See? It's like they come out of the woodwork to annoy me.Yyyeah, the whole "Bash Canada" thing has gotten pretty old.Goomba, my disgustingly canadian colleague, Bug off. This does not concern you Northerner.I disagree. It's far more likely people will just not care, and enduce apathy. Of course, I have a low view of my fellow man, so theres that. Still, ignoreance will not suddenly disappear.fello countereymen i think u r to ignoreant 2 no how politis work. plz donat voet.
Plus Goomba is troll, so he is fair game.
Good thing only smart people can get online and vote.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on November 07, 2012, 09:24:28 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 07, 2012, 09:34:34 pm
Uh, Goomba's not a troll, unless you mean in the context of that post he just made.He is to DF newbs.
Post by: GoombaGeek on November 07, 2012, 09:39:10 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on November 07, 2012, 09:42:39 pm
Dude. I'm an American and it's old. Seriously. In Soviet Russia, joke is old.It'd be less old if there were fewer canadians. I mean come on. There a tenth of the Us, and that doesn't include the presumable ice rednecks. How many of their internet goers found there way to Bay12? See? It's like they come out of the woodwork to annoy me.Yyyeah, the whole "Bash Canada" thing has gotten pretty old.Goomba, my disgustingly canadian colleague, Bug off. This does not concern you Northerner.I disagree. It's far more likely people will just not care, and enduce apathy. Of course, I have a low view of my fellow man, so theres that. Still, ignoreance will not suddenly disappear.fello countereymen i think u r to ignoreant 2 no how politis work. plz donat voet.
Plus Goomba is troll, so he is fair game.
Post by: misko27 on November 07, 2012, 09:44:25 pm
I'm nothing but honest to everyone.*Ahem*ASCIIVSTILESETS*Ahem*
So what was that then? A act of, honesty? I think you're using "honest" where I read "rude".
No, In soviet Russia, Old Joke is YOOOOOUUUU!!!Dude. I'm an American and it's old. Seriously. In Soviet Russia, joke is old.It'd be less old if there were fewer canadians. I mean come on. There a tenth of the Us, and that doesn't include the presumable ice rednecks. How many of their internet goers found there way to Bay12? See? It's like they come out of the woodwork to annoy me.Yyyeah, the whole "Bash Canada" thing has gotten pretty old.Goomba, my canadian colleague, Bug off. This does not concern you Northerner.I disagree. It's far more likely people will just not care, and enduce apathy. Of course, I have a low view of my fellow man, so theres that. Still, ignoreance will not suddenly disappear.fello countereymen i think u r to ignoreant 2 no how politis work. plz donat voet.
Plus Goomba is troll, so he is fair game.
Post by: Descan on November 07, 2012, 09:48:55 pm
Post by: GoombaGeek on November 07, 2012, 09:49:38 pm
I have been honest in that thread.I'm nothing but honest to everyone.*Ahem*ASCIIVSTILESETS*Ahem*
So what was that then? A act of, honesty? I think you're using "honest" where I read "rude".No, In soviet Russia, Old Joke is YOOOOOUUUU!!!Dude. I'm an American and it's old. Seriously. In Soviet Russia, joke is old.It'd be less old if there were fewer canadians. I mean come on. There a tenth of the Us, and that doesn't include the presumable ice rednecks. How many of their internet goers found there way to Bay12? See? It's like they come out of the woodwork to annoy me.Yyyeah, the whole "Bash Canada" thing has gotten pretty old.Goomba, my canadian colleague, Bug off. This does not concern you Northerner.I disagree. It's far more likely people will just not care, and enduce apathy. Of course, I have a low view of my fellow man, so theres that. Still, ignoreance will not suddenly disappear.fello countereymen i think u r to ignoreant 2 no how politis work. plz donat voet.
Plus Goomba is troll, so he is fair game.
The guy who warned me to be careful when working with smoke detector sources was nice :)
Post by: misko27 on November 07, 2012, 09:54:28 pm
*Ninjas got rid of my disclaimer. Canadian Ninjas. However, I will leave it up, because, It took vaulable seconds to write.*
Fiiiiiiiinne. No more Canada. But I'm watcing you.
And you Goomba, Stop harassing people. They will either leave the forum or assimilate, but no need to be rude so, consistently.
I think he just wants to be known by a shtick. :IMy Schtick should only ever be a bizzare combination of Never-ending Narcissim, Histrionics, and being shy. So, There. Meh.
Stupid Thing I heard:
*Exactly as found*
Quote
America Opts For Socialism.
Post by: MaximumZero on November 07, 2012, 09:56:02 pm
I think he just wants to be known by a shtick. :IThat's what Necro got banned for. Just sayin'.
Post by: Scelly9 on November 07, 2012, 09:57:33 pm
Necro was banned for... other things. Let's drop this line of thought.I think he just wants to be known by a shtick. :IThat's what Necro got banned for. Just sayin'.
Post by: misko27 on November 07, 2012, 09:58:23 pm
And theres one right here!Necro was banned for... other things. Let's drop this line of thought.I think he just wants to be known by a shtick. :IThat's what Necro got banned for. Just sayin'.
Stupid Thing I heard:Also, Conservapedia makes me want to cry. Special Relativity? Seriously? How can you even make nukes?
*Exactly as found*QuoteAmerica Opts For Socialism.
Post by: GoombaGeek on November 07, 2012, 09:59:03 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on November 07, 2012, 09:59:26 pm
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on November 07, 2012, 10:00:58 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on November 07, 2012, 10:02:00 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on November 07, 2012, 10:03:58 pm
Anarchic communism all the way. Vermin Supreme 2016.No thanks. I don't really want a pony.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on November 07, 2012, 10:07:10 pm
He made a dude gay, how can you not respect a man wo can do that?Anarchic communism all the way. Vermin Supreme 2016.No thanks. I don't really want a pony.
Post by: MrWillsauce on November 07, 2012, 10:08:08 pm
All you need to make a man gay is an abundant supply of David Tennant.He made a dude gay, how can you not respect a man wo can do that?Anarchic communism all the way. Vermin Supreme 2016.No thanks. I don't really want a pony.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2012, 10:11:34 pm
It's an anachronism. Just because it happens to favor the less-bad politicians at the moment doesn't mean it's a good thing. That aside, I'm not sure how it has helped the Democrats? Obama won the popular vote, as did Gore.Hey, anything that provides impetus for getting rid of the electoral college is at least partially a good thing.Frankly, considering how it's favoring Dems right now, I disagree. If the lines have moved further to the right come 2016, I'll reconsider. Otherwise, I think I'd keep as is.
Not to my recollection. Paraphrasing the note next to his final ban, "Something something been warned repeatedly about spamming" and so forth.Necro was banned for... other things. Let's drop this line of thought.I think he just wants to be known by a shtick. :IThat's what Necro got banned for. Just sayin'.
:|
We need to elect a grizzly bear as POTUS.
Post by: misko27 on November 07, 2012, 10:13:58 pm
Ehh, Sarah Palin had her chance. As well as Gingrich.It's an anachronism. Just because it happens to favor the less-bad politicians at the moment doesn't mean it's a good thing. That aside, I'm not sure how it has helped the Democrats? Obama won the popular vote, as did Gore.Hey, anything that provides impetus for getting rid of the electoral college is at least partially a good thing.Frankly, considering how it's favoring Dems right now, I disagree. If the lines have moved further to the right come 2016, I'll reconsider. Otherwise, I think I'd keep as is.
We need to elect a grizzly bear as POTUS.
Obama SWEEPED the swingstates. He was almost tied withromney in the popular, but won 3 to 2. As Latino population's increase, we may see even hard red states like texas change.
Post by: MaximumZero on November 07, 2012, 10:14:17 pm
We already did that. Theodore Roosevelt.It's an anachronism. Just because it happens to favor the less-bad politicians at the moment doesn't mean it's a good thing. That aside, I'm not sure how it has helped the Democrats? Obama won the popular vote, as did Gore.Hey, anything that provides impetus for getting rid of the electoral college is at least partially a good thing.Frankly, considering how it's favoring Dems right now, I disagree. If the lines have moved further to the right come 2016, I'll reconsider. Otherwise, I think I'd keep as is.Not to my recollection. Paraphrasing the note next to his final ban, "Something something been warned repeatedly about spamming" and so forth.Necro was banned for... other things. Let's drop this line of thought.I think he just wants to be known by a shtick. :IThat's what Necro got banned for. Just sayin'.
:|
We need to elect a grizzly bear as POTUS.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2012, 10:22:41 pm
The grizzly was only his sparring partner. Teddy needed an easy warmup in the morning before moving on to imperialism and trust-busting in the afternoon followed by a sedate mid-river moose ride in the evening.We already did that. Theodore Roosevelt.It's an anachronism. Just because it happens to favor the less-bad politicians at the moment doesn't mean it's a good thing. That aside, I'm not sure how it has helped the Democrats? Obama won the popular vote, as did Gore.Hey, anything that provides impetus for getting rid of the electoral college is at least partially a good thing.Frankly, considering how it's favoring Dems right now, I disagree. If the lines have moved further to the right come 2016, I'll reconsider. Otherwise, I think I'd keep as is.Not to my recollection. Paraphrasing the note next to his final ban, "Something something been warned repeatedly about spamming" and so forth.Necro was banned for... other things. Let's drop this line of thought.I think he just wants to be known by a shtick. :IThat's what Necro got banned for. Just sayin'.
:|
We need to elect a grizzly bear as POTUS.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 07, 2012, 10:33:00 pm
As Latino population's increase, we may see even hard red states like texas change.
As a Texan, may I say this seems entirely possible give or take another couple years or so. Depends on the rate of immigration, illegal or no.
Personally, I'd be perfectly ok with electing a president willing to see every American family know the value of dental care and supply us with pony power to fight off the zombies.
..In fact, I say we reanimate Teddy Roosevelt and nudge his zombie self off in the direction of the White House and see what happens.
Post by: Oliolli on November 08, 2012, 12:33:42 am
I would opt for socialism. Socialist healthcare, at the very least.
The thing about any sort of socialist/social democracy/whatever system is that it requires a certain type of people to work with. For instance, the Nordics have really advanced social security structures, but if that same structure was to be cut & pasted to other countries, it wouldn't work as well.
..In fact, I say we reanimate Teddy Roosevelt and nudge his zombie self off in the direction of the White House and see what happens.
It involves zombies and Teddy Roosevelt. I support this plan.
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 08, 2012, 11:41:27 am
HE CAN'T DIE. ONLY SLEEP.
Post by: Descan on November 08, 2012, 11:46:34 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 08, 2012, 11:59:09 am
It's an anachronism. Just because it happens to favor the less-bad politicians at the moment doesn't mean it's a good thing. That aside, I'm not sure how it has helped the Democrats? Obama won the popular vote, as did Gore.Hey, anything that provides impetus for getting rid of the electoral college is at least partially a good thing.Frankly, considering how it's favoring Dems right now, I disagree. If the lines have moved further to the right come 2016, I'll reconsider. Otherwise, I think I'd keep as is.
The electoral college isn't the problems with those things. It's the fact that most states use a first past the post system to divide their electors. In fact, replacing the entire system with a popular vote will just serve to enforce the two party system. Instead, scrapping the FPTP voting insides states and allowing the electors of one party to aid another(on a party basis, not on a per person basis) might be the easiest way to discourage this. This will encourage the influence of Independent parties, as they can collaborate and form a presidential coalition.
However, it might also cause a system where the minority rules. (For example: DEm: 49% of seats, R: 49% Ind:2%) The indepents get to decide who becomes Presidents, and therefore can ask for absurd demands, and have far more power than the amount of votes should give them.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on November 08, 2012, 12:31:35 pm
Go Bay12!It's an anachronism. Just because it happens to favor the less-bad politicians at the moment doesn't mean it's a good thing. That aside, I'm not sure how it has helped the Democrats? Obama won the popular vote, as did Gore.Hey, anything that provides impetus for getting rid of the electoral college is at least partially a good thing.Frankly, considering how it's favoring Dems right now, I disagree. If the lines have moved further to the right come 2016, I'll reconsider. Otherwise, I think I'd keep as is.
The electoral college isn't the problems with those things. It's the fact that most states use a first past the post system to divide their electors. In fact, replacing the entire system with a popular vote will just serve to enforce the two party system. Instead, scrapping the FPTP voting insides states and allowing the electors of one party to aid another(on a party basis, not on a per person basis) might be the easiest way to discourage this. This will encourage the influence of Independent parties, as they can collaborate and form a presidential coalition.
However, it might also cause a system where the minority rules. (For example: DEm: 49% of seats, R: 49% Ind:2%) The indepents get to decide who becomes Presidents, and therefore can ask for absurd demands, and have far more power than the amount of votes should give them.
Post by: miauw62 on November 08, 2012, 12:37:10 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 08, 2012, 12:38:36 pm
E: BELGIUM.
Pardon my French.
Post by: miauw62 on November 08, 2012, 12:40:20 pm
I'd link to CGP Grey, but that'd be the tenth timesomebodyMiauw did that this week.
FTFY
Post by: MagmaMcFry on November 08, 2012, 12:50:54 pm
Therefore, Miauw is Darvi.I'd link to CGP Grey, but that'd be the tenth timesomebodyMiauw did that this week.
FTFY
Post by: miauw62 on November 08, 2012, 01:01:40 pm
Searching CCPgrey has two posts of me.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 08, 2012, 02:39:48 pm
Quote from: Some libertarian guy
Socialism is the opposite of freedom, people! Your wage slavery is FREEDOM!Quote from: Me*stuff about Sweden and the Netherlands being socialist and doing okay*They only exist because of their government cycles every 20 years or so between socialism and freedom and because they stay out of wars.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 08, 2012, 02:50:48 pm
"Because they stay out of wars."Quote from: Some libertarian guySocialism is the opposite of freedom, people! Your wage slavery is FREEDOM!Quote from: Me*stuff about Sweden and the Netherlands being socialist and doing okay*They only exist because of their government cycles every 20 years or so between socialism and freedom and because they stay out of wars.
"BECAUSE THEY STAY OUT OF WARS."
Why yes Mr. Libertarian, not going to war with the world is a good recipe for success.
Post by: RedKing on November 08, 2012, 02:52:59 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 08, 2012, 03:00:37 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 08, 2012, 04:36:12 pm
Post by: RedKing on November 08, 2012, 04:40:32 pm
Or in pulling a John Galt and removing themselves from the world, waiting for it to collapse and beg them to come back.
I'd link that Bob the Angry Flower strip, but hell...you've all seen it before.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 08, 2012, 05:10:05 pm
Why can't Libertarians move to Somalia and leave us alone? Or Libya, Somalia's getting better. I'm sure they can sympathize with all the militias ready TO TAKE BACK THEIR GOVERNMENT.
Who is the arrogant 'us' to whom you are referring? Frankly it is tiring to see you posting like your opinion is the only one shared by people of intelligence. Kindly get over yourself, Misko, and I say that as a friend.
Also, I'm fairly certain this was a joke, but that first sentence just irked the everloving fuck out of me.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 08, 2012, 05:35:06 pm
"Because they stay out of wars."Quote from: Some libertarian guySocialism is the opposite of freedom, people! Your wage slavery is FREEDOM!Quote from: Me*stuff about Sweden and the Netherlands being socialist and doing okay*They only exist because of their government cycles every 20 years or so between socialism and freedom and because they stay out of wars.
"BECAUSE THEY STAY OUT OF WARS."
Why yes Mr. Libertarian, not going to war with the world is a good recipe for success.
Sweden and the Netherlands were also the homeland of the badass pagan vikings. If anyone was so dumb as to get into a war with the Netherlands or Sweden, they could just call up their Viking ancestors with some mead and a righteous blast from the ceremonial horn and sic 'em on the enemy.
No one wants to fight undead Vikings before Ragnarok! That just defeats the point of Ragnarok, and then it'd just be Ragnaroll, and be all boring.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 08, 2012, 05:39:14 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 08, 2012, 05:40:59 pm
It's obviously the royal us; misko is Britney Spears.Why can't Libertarians move to Somalia and leave us alone? Or Libya, Somalia's getting better. I'm sure they can sympathize with all the militias ready TO TAKE BACK THEIR GOVERNMENT.
Who is the arrogant 'us' to whom you are referring? Frankly it is tiring to see you posting like your opinion is the only one shared by people of intelligence. Kindly get over yourself, Misko, and I say that as a friend.
Also, I'm fairly certain this was a joke, but that first sentence just irked the everloving fuck out of me.
It's an anachronism. Just because it happens to favor the less-bad politicians at the moment doesn't mean it's a good thing. That aside, I'm not sure how it has helped the Democrats? Obama won the popular vote, as did Gore.Hey, anything that provides impetus for getting rid of the electoral college is at least partially a good thing.Frankly, considering how it's favoring Dems right now, I disagree. If the lines have moved further to the right come 2016, I'll reconsider. Otherwise, I think I'd keep as is.
The electoral college isn't the problems with those things. It's the fact that most states use a first past the post system to divide their electors. In fact, replacing the entire system with a popular vote will just serve to enforce the two party system. Instead, scrapping the FPTP voting insides states and allowing the electors of one party to aid another(on a party basis, not on a per person basis) might be the easiest way to discourage this. This will encourage the influence of Independent parties, as they can collaborate and form a presidential coalition.
However, it might also cause a system where the minority rules. (For example: DEm: 49% of seats, R: 49% Ind:2%) The indepents get to decide who becomes Presidents, and therefore can ask for absurd demands, and have far more power than the amount of votes should give them.
So the electoral college system isn't the problem, it's the electoral college system that's the problem? On a similar note, when did I suggest using simple-majority popular vote to determine the outcome of the election? The easiest change would probably be to switch it to a proportional system, where electors are distributed based on the proportion of votes cast for each candidate or party. Granted, that wouldn't kill the two-party system, but nothing short of a complete overhaul and restructuring of the legislative branch to a parliamentary system would.
Post by: MrWillsauce on November 08, 2012, 05:45:38 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 08, 2012, 05:46:51 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on November 08, 2012, 05:47:37 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 08, 2012, 05:48:24 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 08, 2012, 06:46:08 pm
It sinecerly bothers me that so many people take my jokes seriously. What do I need to make it more obvious? Is all caps not enough? I mean I know it's the internet, but come on. Are you seriously accusing me of suggesting we deport libertarians? Seriously? Seriously? Why would a grammer mistake cause you to inult me so? Or do you all just assume Misko is shallow, arrogant, and stupid? Fuck that, I'm offended that you think so very little of me.Why can't Libertarians move to Somalia and leave us alone? Or Libya, Somalia's getting better. I'm sure they can sympathize with all the militias ready TO TAKE BACK THEIR GOVERNMENT.
Who is the arrogant 'us' to whom you are referring? Frankly it is tiring to see you posting like your opinion is the only one shared by people of intelligence. Kindly get over yourself, Misko, and I say that as a friend.
Also, I'm fairly certain this was a joke, but that first sentence just irked the everloving fuck out of me.
I need to stop making jokes, people take them seriously. Fine then, I'll stop. No more oppurtunities to not have a sense of humor, I'm done.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 08, 2012, 06:48:59 pm
Eh? Hans was taking offense to you implying that everyone agreed with you, I was poking fun at him being serious. Sorry if I offended.It sinecerly bothers me that so many people take my jokes seriously. What do I need to make it more obvious? Is all caps not enough? I mean I know it's the internet, but come on. Are you seriously accusing me of suggesting we deport libertarians? Seriously? Seriously? Why would a grammer mistake cause you to inult me so? Or do you just assume Misko is shallow, arrogant, and stupid? Fuck that, I'm offended that you think so very little of me.It's obviously the royal us; misko is Britney Spears.Why can't Libertarians move to Somalia and leave us alone? Or Libya, Somalia's getting better. I'm sure they can sympathize with all the militias ready TO TAKE BACK THEIR GOVERNMENT.
Who is the arrogant 'us' to whom you are referring? Frankly it is tiring to see you posting like your opinion is the only one shared by people of intelligence. Kindly get over yourself, Misko, and I say that as a friend.
Also, I'm fairly certain this was a joke, but that first sentence just irked the everloving fuck out of me.
I need to stop making jokes, people take them seriously. Fine then, I'll stop. In the future know that being irked by bad grammer is no excuse for rudeness.
Post by: misko27 on November 08, 2012, 06:52:39 pm
Eh? Hans was taking offense to you implying that everyone agreed with you, I was poking fun at him being serious. Sorry if I offended.Oh no, I knew that was a joke. I meant Hans. I shouldn't have quoted you, but I forgot to change that.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 08, 2012, 10:35:37 pm
Eh? Hans was taking offense to you implying that everyone agreed with you, I was poking fun at him being serious. Sorry if I offended.It sinecerly bothers me that so many people take my jokes seriously. What do I need to make it more obvious? Is all caps not enough? I mean I know it's the internet, but come on. Are you seriously accusing me of suggesting we deport libertarians? Seriously? Seriously? Why would a grammer mistake cause you to inult me so? Or do you just assume Misko is shallow, arrogant, and stupid? Fuck that, I'm offended that you think so very little of me.It's obviously the royal us; misko is Britney Spears.Why can't Libertarians move to Somalia and leave us alone? Or Libya, Somalia's getting better. I'm sure they can sympathize with all the militias ready TO TAKE BACK THEIR GOVERNMENT.
Who is the arrogant 'us' to whom you are referring? Frankly it is tiring to see you posting like your opinion is the only one shared by people of intelligence. Kindly get over yourself, Misko, and I say that as a friend.
Also, I'm fairly certain this was a joke, but that first sentence just irked the everloving fuck out of me.
I need to stop making jokes, people take them seriously. Fine then, I'll stop. In the future know that being irked by bad grammer is no excuse for rudeness.
This, except I'm not particularly sorry if I offended. The internet is not particularly conducive to some forms of humor. If you choose to use those forms of humor, perhaps you should put a disclaimer somewhere that you're kidding. That and several of your 'jokes' have been particularly unfunny. The entire 'bash Canada' thing wasn't funny at all, just vaguely offensive, and this was something else that I didn't find particularly funny either.
On-topic: My friend today was talking about how much Obama sucks. Note, that I am politically neutral, because they're all fucktards. I told him, "But a working man, I.E. me, voting for Romney, would be like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."
And his counter was? "But his name is Barack Obama. He's a sandnigger."
... Goddamn, why do I live in this shithole?
Post by: kaijyuu on November 08, 2012, 10:36:53 pm
Well more likely give him an extremely disgusted look, but sheesh...
Post by: Flying Dice on November 08, 2012, 10:37:27 pm
... Goddamn, why do I live in this shithole?Good question. Why do you live in that shithole? Barring some legal thing.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on November 08, 2012, 10:37:35 pm
I mean, bigotry is bad- but inaccurate bigotry is worse!
Post by: MrWillsauce on November 08, 2012, 10:38:01 pm
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... Goddamn, why do I live in this shithole?I wonder this every day. Well, actually I have a reason: because I have to. Some day... Canada awaits.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 08, 2012, 10:38:42 pm
Surely, in a twisted and horrible way, he didn't mean to add the "sand" part?No, man, Osa-I mean Obama is totally a Islamerian too!
I mean, bigotry is bad- but inaccurate bigotry is worse!
Post by: Hanslanda on November 08, 2012, 10:39:59 pm
Surely, in a twisted and horrible way, he didn't mean to add the "sand" part?
I mean, bigotry is bad- but inaccurate bigotry is worse!
I'm not entirely sure. I guess he thinks that because 'Obama' is one letter from 'Osama' that it means the bearer of the name is of the same race.
Holy shit Hans, I might've punched him right there xD
Well more likely give him an extremely disgusted look, but sheesh...
Sadly, I'm quite used to this particular person's continuing and unintelligent bigotry.
... Goddamn, why do I live in this shithole?Good question. Why do you live in that shithole? Barring some legal thing.
Because I haven't got a chance to move away yet.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 08, 2012, 10:51:37 pm
Note, that I am politically neutral, because they're all fucktards.
Truer words have surely never been spoken about modern American politics.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 08, 2012, 11:04:52 pm
Post by: Bohandas on November 08, 2012, 11:24:45 pm
I have the same philosophy. There's no real reason to vote when the only options they give us (and the only options that are ever going to win) are all idiots being put into office.
The idea is to choose the lesser of two evils.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 08, 2012, 11:25:39 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 08, 2012, 11:29:58 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on November 09, 2012, 02:03:52 am
I wasn't sure if that should have been a rage, sad, or wtf. It's a stupid thing for companies to do, though, so...
Post by: Darvi on November 09, 2012, 02:15:04 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 09, 2012, 02:21:00 am
If both stacks were to the left, how'd the employees know which ones to dump?Obvious typo, Darvi :P
And yeah, with places with extreme competition like that, employers sweep through the applications for the most trivial things. That happens in the USA too (though they generally sort first by experience, not which college you graduated from. That's next).
Post by: Darvi on November 09, 2012, 02:25:43 am
Didn't notice that؟If both stacks were to the left, how'd the employees know which ones to dump?Obvious typo, Darvi :P
Post by: Cthulhu on November 09, 2012, 11:50:43 am
Quote from: what
I'm referring to the Di, not the Dia. Carbon Dioxide does not mean Carbon through Oxygen.
what
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 09, 2012, 01:37:02 pm
What?
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 09, 2012, 01:43:09 pm
Post by: RedKing on November 09, 2012, 02:13:33 pm
A person telling an anecdote about his time at a big Korean online game company. It was job application time, and he went a big room and helped everyone spread out all the applications. There were 20,000 applications for 200 jobs. The team leader looked at the first page of each app and kicked one the the left, where employees collected them and threw them away, or the right, where they were stacked up for secondary evaluation and interviews. Shocked, he asked how he could make such a split second decision. The team leader replied that everyone not graduated from Seoul, Koryu, or Yonseo University went into the trash bin. That's like rejecting every job app where the job finder wasn't out of an Ivy League school. He considered nothing else, not even the major (for a programming job!). Gave not a damn for other things like experience, depth of study (master's? Bachelor's?), or willingness.I've heard that that's a major problem in South Korea (and one of the reasons for the insane level of competitiveness to get into those schools). The US has its own WTF regarding resume screenings. Often, they use computers and just scan for certain keywords. If you don't have them, PFFT...trash pile.
I wasn't sure if that should have been a rage, sad, or wtf. It's a stupid thing for companies to do, though, so...
Post by: Mephansteras on November 09, 2012, 02:43:15 pm
Of course, how they do that is often questionable.
At least the Key Word searches will usually grab people with the right background. It might omit a few, but if you're looking for people who can do C++ you expect the majority of them to list that on their resume.
Seems better to me than taking people without a programming background over people with one just because of the college they graduated from.
Post by: misko27 on November 09, 2012, 03:57:07 pm
A guy asked me why a conversation between three people wasn't called a trialogue. I pointed out that the prefix Dia- does not mean "two." After he continues on that line of thought and I point out again that the prefix here is Dia- and not Di-, he says:What.Quote from: whatI'm referring to the Di, not the Dia. Carbon Dioxide does not mean Carbon through Oxygen.
what
Post by: Cthulhu on November 09, 2012, 03:59:56 pm
I'm more wondering where the "through" came in.A person telling an anecdote about his time at a big Korean online game company. It was job application time, and he went a big room and helped everyone spread out all the applications. There were 20,000 applications for 200 jobs. The team leader looked at the first page of each app and kicked one the the left, where employees collected them and threw them away, or the right, where they were stacked up for secondary evaluation and interviews. Shocked, he asked how he could make such a split second decision. The team leader replied that everyone not graduated from Seoul, Koryu, or Yonseo University went into the trash bin. That's like rejecting every job app where the job finder wasn't out of an Ivy League school. He considered nothing else, not even the major (for a programming job!). Gave not a damn for other things like experience, depth of study (master's? Bachelor's?), or willingness.I've heard that that's a major problem in South Korea (and one of the reasons for the insane level of competitiveness to get into those schools). The US has its own WTF regarding resume screenings. Often, they use computers and just scan for certain keywords. If you don't have them, PFFT...trash pile.
I wasn't sure if that should have been a rage, sad, or wtf. It's a stupid thing for companies to do, though, so...
I'm on my phone so I can't delete the extra, sorry. The Dia prefix means "through," andthats what dialogue uses.
Post by: RedKing on November 09, 2012, 04:19:33 pm
Post by: Vorthon on November 09, 2012, 04:56:31 pm
...I have issues, don't I?
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 09, 2012, 06:13:30 pm
...I read 'leader thingymabob' as 'leather thingymabob'...
...I have issues, don't I?
At least it wasn't "leather thingymathong." You're still slightly sane, then.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2012, 06:22:27 pm
Post by: Euld on November 10, 2012, 12:48:32 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on November 10, 2012, 12:53:29 am
Ah, the innuendo in old Batman.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 10, 2012, 06:07:34 am
Post by: Bohandas on November 10, 2012, 09:27:21 am
Speaking of leather thongs. Don't worry, it's safe for work.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
A whole gallery with this and similar panels (http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=32&Itemid=50&limitstart=112)
Post by: miauw62 on November 10, 2012, 03:00:55 pm
I'd post my "The More You Know" afterschool-special logo gif, but img.ie. :'((http://sighroll.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/themoreyouknow.jpg)
Not a gif i think, but still good. Or bad and low quality. idc.
Post by: Reelya on November 12, 2012, 05:13:47 pm
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Ms Hanson said Malaysia had been “taken over by Muslims, despite a long history of Islam in that country”.
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The former One Nation leader, who is having another tilt at politics, said she was wary of allowing Muslims to settle in Australia.
But she would welcome some Muslims, she said.
“There are Christian Muslims – there is no problems about that,” she told ABC radio yesterday.
“But if people believe in the way of life under the Koran, that concerns me greatly.”
Post by: Mephansteras on November 12, 2012, 05:15:25 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 12, 2012, 05:15:30 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 12, 2012, 05:15:36 pm
Post by: Knight of Fools on November 12, 2012, 05:27:27 pm
Post by: Reelya on November 12, 2012, 05:29:38 pm
A while back she moved to Britain.
To get away from all the Muslims in Australia apparently -_- despite the fact that Britain's percentage of Muslims is twice Australia's and goddamn Buddhists outnumber Muslims here, if you can believe that.
Post by: OREOSOME on November 12, 2012, 05:31:11 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 12, 2012, 05:32:23 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 12, 2012, 05:33:43 pm
I think 90% of the country just snickered and said "keep going, Pauline!". She's was worth too much as entertainment value.At this rate might as well move to Saudi Arabia.
A while back she moved to Britain.
To get away from all the Muslims in Australia apparently -_- despite the fact that Britain's percentage of Muslims is twice Australia's and goddamn Buddhists outnumber Muslims here, if you can believe that.
Post by: Reelya on November 12, 2012, 05:36:11 pm
By Christian Muslims, I sincerely hope that they mean the the parents were a Christian and a Muslim, and not actually referring to Muslims as a ethnic group.
Part of her confusion might be explained by her constant references to the "Muslim race" and the idea that Muslims wiped out the Islams. She started out as an anti-Asian campaigner. Australia being "Swamped By Asians" was her warning (never happened BTW).
To her, Muslims are a race because she comes from a backwards rural white ghetto. She's from Queensland, which is Australia's version of being from Alabama. It's also the state that had the most Japanese investment 20 years ago, so there was a backlash up there against Asians.
But that was on the coastal city areas, and she's from the rural part of the state which didn't get the Asian investment (nor the Asian immigration, so you have to wonder why she cared). Her profession was running a "Fish and Chip Shop" before entering politics, and all the locals knew and voted for her. It's that type of backwards, up North.
Post by: GalenEvil on November 14, 2012, 02:54:34 am
To her, Muslims are a race because she comes from a backwards rural white ghetto. She's from Queensland, which is Australia's version of being from Alabama. It's also the state that had the most Japanese investment 20 years ago, so there was a backlash up there against Asians.
:'(
/me is from Alabama...
Post by: kaijyuu on November 14, 2012, 02:56:32 am
Post by: Skyrunner on November 14, 2012, 06:53:17 am
Part of her confusion might be explained by her constant references to the "Muslim race" and the idea that Muslims wiped out the Islams. She started out as an anti-Asian campaigner. Australia being "Swamped By Asians" was her warning (never happened BTW).
"The Muslims were wiped out by the Muslims" xD
Being Asian is a crime! D:
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 14, 2012, 09:35:49 am
Sorry Skyrunner, gonna have to take you in. I'll tell the cafeteria lady to pick the worms outta your gruel, though. :PPart of her confusion might be explained by her constant references to the "Muslim race" and the idea that Muslims wiped out the Islams. She started out as an anti-Asian campaigner. Australia being "Swamped By Asians" was her warning (never happened BTW).
"The Muslims were wiped out by the Muslims" xD
Being Asian is a crime! D:
I don't get it. If Austrailia turned mostly asian that would be bad how? Natural demographic change happens. Flipping your shit because the Japanese ran out of room isn't going to magically create an atlantis for them all to move to.
Overpopulation solved: build Atlantis.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 14, 2012, 09:39:49 am
Overpopulation solved: build Rapture.
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 14, 2012, 09:45:08 am
No no no, Atlantis would be communist.Overpopulation solved: build Rapture.
An underwater Stalingrad. Complete with giant bronze statues of yours truly.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2012, 10:12:32 am
Post by: miauw62 on November 14, 2012, 10:30:21 am
Post by: wagawaga on November 14, 2012, 11:00:58 pm
Or pretty much any variation of the "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!!"
Post by: Pnx on November 14, 2012, 11:03:28 pm
From what I understood rapture was sort of communist... although it had rampant consumerism.No no no, Atlantis would be communist.Overpopulation solved: build Rapture.
An underwater Stalingrad. Complete with giant bronze statues of yours truly.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 14, 2012, 11:13:16 pm
Communism in Rapture would have caused Andrew Ryan to foam at the mouth and go on a ballistic rampage. The entire thing was conceived and built on the principals of Objectivism as told by Ann Ryan (hence Andrew's name). So it's pretty much as far from communism as possible (though if I remember correctly a hippie-type commune did form at some point in its history).From what I understood rapture was sort of communist... although it had rampant consumerism.No no no, Atlantis would be communist.Overpopulation solved: build Rapture.
An underwater Stalingrad. Complete with giant bronze statues of yours truly.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2012, 11:26:57 pm
Wasn't it supposed to be a parody of Randian values?From what I understood rapture was sort of communist... although it had rampant consumerism.No no no, Atlantis would be communist.Overpopulation solved: build Rapture.
An underwater Stalingrad. Complete with giant bronze statues of yours truly.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 14, 2012, 11:27:48 pm
Bioshock 1 or 2? 1 was a parody of hardcore Randian values, 2 was a parody of the exact opposite with hardcore collectivism.Wasn't it supposed to be a parody of Randian values?From what I understood rapture was sort of communist... although it had rampant consumerism.No no no, Atlantis would be communist.Overpopulation solved: build Rapture.
An underwater Stalingrad. Complete with giant bronze statues of yours truly.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 15, 2012, 12:01:07 am
1. I've never played the second.Bioshock 1 or 2? 1 was a parody of hardcore Randian values, 2 was a parody of the exact opposite with hardcore collectivism.Wasn't it supposed to be a parody of Randian values?From what I understood rapture was sort of communist... although it had rampant consumerism.No no no, Atlantis would be communist.Overpopulation solved: build Rapture.
An underwater Stalingrad. Complete with giant bronze statues of yours truly.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 30, 2012, 03:14:00 pm
- She had never heard of the American civil war.
- Criticized me for using words she didn't understand. "Big words," that made me sound like a "snobbish middle class" person. Sour :<
- Asked me what I was "insinuating" even when I said I could point out all the slang she's adopted for her language. Trying to be respectful here and talking to someone as an equal, when out comes the insults.
- Did not see the irony in using a 5 syllable word to criticize the length of mine.
- If wrong, shout mode activated.
- Has a really horrific shout mode.
- Completely disregards that there's an entire room of people present.
- He he he. Shout mode for everyone activated.
Post by: OREOSOME on November 30, 2012, 03:17:42 pm
Me:"They say It will happen on the 21, but the world isn't gonna happen. I mean, what's changed that could end the world?"
Another classmate, responding to the first sentence:"No, Its on December 10th."
Me, somewhat confused:"Who told you that?"
Him:"Assassin's Creed 3."
Post by: SealyStar on November 30, 2012, 03:33:53 pm
Apparently, for example, he thought that 1/x = x, since he thought (for some reason) that it 1/x = x/1. It's also worth noting that he realized this wasn't true for other numbers- for example, he knew perfectly well that x/2 =/= 2/x. I tried to explain why his reasoning about 1/x was wrong, but it took him a while to wrap his mind around the concept.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 30, 2012, 04:10:27 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on November 30, 2012, 04:26:28 pm
To summarize my most recent rare conversation with one of my cousins with the highlights of stupid;You...you're Australian, right? Because if she's American, then this is beyond disturbing.
- She had never heard of the American civil war.
- Criticized me for using words she didn't understand. "Big words," that made me sound like a "snobbish middle class" person. Sour :<
- Asked me what I was "insinuating" even when I said I could point out all the slang she's adopted for her language. Trying to be respectful here and talking to someone as an equal, when out comes the insults.
- Did not see the irony in using a 5 syllable word to criticize the length of mine.
- If wrong, shout mode activated.
- Has a really horrific shout mode.
- Completely disregards that there's an entire room of people present.
- He he he. Shout mode for everyone activated.
Post by: Darvi on November 30, 2012, 04:27:40 pm
Which is kinda proto-american, right?
*ducks*
Post by: Flying Dice on November 30, 2012, 04:39:20 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 30, 2012, 04:41:00 pm
And Proto-Australian.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 30, 2012, 04:43:06 pm
To summarize my most recent rare conversation with one of my cousins with the highlights of stupid;You...you're Australian, right? Because if she's American, then this is beyond disturbing.
- She had never heard of the American civil war.
To be fair, not many people heard of other's countries history. Bet you haven't heard of the Belgian civil war either.
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 30, 2012, 04:47:44 pm
To summarize my most recent rare conversation with one of my cousins with the highlights of stupid;You...you're Australian, right? Because if she's American, then this is beyond disturbing.
- She had never heard of the American civil war.
To be fair, not many people heard of other's countries history. Bet you haven't heard of the Belgian civil war either.
I think it's general courtesy to assume that any given country has had at least one civil war and/or revolution.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 30, 2012, 04:50:43 pm
British.For 10 years the UK was the lap dog of America.
Which is kinda proto-american, right?
*ducks*
*Shudders*
Post by: misko27 on November 30, 2012, 04:50:57 pm
Bet you never heard of, um. In my defense, not many people care about Belgium. I know very very little of Belgian histroy, while I learn a substantial amount more about say, Britain.To summarize my most recent rare conversation with one of my cousins with the highlights of stupid;You...you're Australian, right? Because if she's American, then this is beyond disturbing.
- She had never heard of the American civil war.
- [/l][/l][/l][/l][/l][/l]
To be fair, not many people heard of other's countries history. Bet you haven't heard of the Belgian civil war either.
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Post by: FearfulJesuit on November 30, 2012, 04:59:38 pm
Post by: SealyStar on November 30, 2012, 05:02:27 pm
To be fair, it's right for x=1.
But he assumed this for all values of x. Not just x=1.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 30, 2012, 05:02:59 pm
Bet you never heard of, um. In my defense, not many people care about Belgium. I know very very little of Belgian histroy, while I learn a substantial amount more about say, Britain.Belgium's important, you know.
Besides, it's not like there's much history to talk about, it being founded in 1830.*
(*Seceded from the Netherlands, of with it had been part since 1815, after the defeat of Napoleon. The revolution was mainly supported by the french, and the legion they send to "secure" Bruxelles eventually became the foreign legion)
Post by: misko27 on November 30, 2012, 05:09:29 pm
Example? How is it important? Anyway, the founding of it is he first and last time I heard of it in class, and it wasn't even on a test.Bet you never heard of, um. In my defense, not many people care about Belgium. I know very very little of Belgian histroy, while I learn a substantial amount more about say, Britain.Belgium's important, you know.
Besides, it's not like there's much history to talk about, it being founded in 1830.*
(*Seceded from the Netherlands, of with it had been part since 1815, after the defeat of Napoleon. The revolution was mainly supported by the french, and the legion they send to "secure" Bruxelles eventually became the foreign legion)
Oh wait, no, Belgian Congo. King Leopold. That, Almost forgot.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 30, 2012, 05:21:25 pm
(and, slightly less heroic, why was France overrun during the second world war).
You also got foundations for the European union, and some other stuff.
Post by: misko27 on November 30, 2012, 05:32:24 pm
How did you think the UK got involved in the first world War?I was under the impression they were in a alliance with France and Russia, and the Black Hand gang, to which Josip Princip belonged and admired, had to fuck up everyone's day. They are also the seat of NATO, if it makes you feel better. And there were a number of reasons for france being overrun, not just belgium.
(and, slightly less heroic, why was France overrun during the second world war).
You also got foundations for the European union, and some other stuff.
But yeah, all in all, a fairly uninteresting place. At least the Swedes took part in the Napoleanic Wars. I mean sure, it is important in a european sense, but in matters which shaped the world, ehh.
OH WAIT I REMEMBERED A MONTY PYTHING SKIT THAT MENTIONS BELGIUM. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNr3nK_bvKQ) Skip to 1:00 to go straight to Belgium.
Post by: ab00 on November 30, 2012, 05:34:28 pm
Post by: misko27 on November 30, 2012, 05:47:07 pm
The Black Hand wasn't really a gang, but more of Serbia's "Seal Team 6".More like a Al Qaeda. They were, essentially, a nationalist terrorist group.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 30, 2012, 08:20:12 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 30, 2012, 08:26:27 pm
Post by: SealyStar on November 30, 2012, 09:51:04 pm
Post by: Pnx on November 30, 2012, 11:36:55 pm
I was under the impression they were in a alliance with France and Russia ...Well France was allies with Russia, and Britain had signed a bunch of peace agreements with both of them that meant they acknowledged each other's colonial territories, which was essentially just a non-aggression pact, it just all amounted to a lot of good will and agreements that they would try really hard not to wind up fighting each other. Now this was all done with a general alliance-y structure in mind, they wanted something to counteract the German, Austrian, and Italian central powers alliance that was looking really menacing to all three of them, but Britain was sort of keen to avoid getting dragged into a small pointless war that the Russians or the French were fighting.
So yeah, long story short, Britain wasn't allied with either of them, but likely would have entered the war anyway if Belgium (which was in Britain's sphere of influence and under guarantee) hadn't been invaded, Belgium was a good excuse to get in it, it looked good in the papers to be riding to it's rescue, rather than just getting involved in a fight with the world's foremost military on land just because it was going.
Post by: Sirus on December 01, 2012, 04:02:53 am
Post by: Oliolli on December 01, 2012, 05:17:16 am
YouTube comments. Just...YouTube comments.
I heard they are an effective carcinogen.
Post by: Xantalos on December 01, 2012, 05:19:48 am
Concentrations of 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 part per (Grahm's Number) were shown to kill within 5 seconds. This is the power of stupid.YouTube comments. Just...YouTube comments.
I heard they are an effective carcinogen.
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 01, 2012, 06:06:23 am
YouTube comments. Just...YouTube comments.thumbs up if u cry everytme
Post by: Sheb on December 01, 2012, 07:46:03 am
We also killed 6 millions congolese and instaured a market in severed hand, but somehow it does not seems to count as historically significant.
Post by: miauw62 on December 01, 2012, 07:51:02 am
Post by: Reelya on December 01, 2012, 07:55:01 am
It's just possible that Belgium was the lynch-pin that killed 200+ million people.
Damn you, what hath Belgium wrought?
Post by: Sheb on December 01, 2012, 08:04:44 am
Post by: Darvi on December 01, 2012, 08:06:04 am
While significant, if von Schlieffen's plan had succeeded an armistice might have been achieved 2-3 years earlier, the treaty of Versailles wouldn't have happened, there would have been no Bolshevik revolution in Russia, no 1918 influenza epidemic that killed half the population of Europe, and no rise to power of the NAZI's, no WWII, and therefore no Cold War, nor the rise of Communism in China, no Pol Pot in Cambodia, no Korean war or Vietnam war, no Suharto in Indonesia, etc.You forgot to mention 9-11.
It's just possible that Belgium was the lynch-pin that killed 200+ million people.
Damn you, what hath Belgium wrought?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 01, 2012, 08:07:33 am
Besides, it's highly likely that the Bolshevik revolution would have happened anyway. Secondly, no cold war= no space exploration.
Our entire space exploration program is based on research data(and scientists) stolen from the Nazis, and then perfected during the cold war.
miauw62, we hopped on the EU bandwagon, but if Belgium had been replaced by one huge inflatable dick from 1945 to 1950, things would have gone pretty much the same way.Kinda not. The EU has it's basis in the Union for Coal and steel and stuff, which is further based on the Benelux (and in slightly importance, on the Belgium-Luxermburgion monetary union).
You forgot to mention 11-9.FTFY. Why do those silly americans always insist on putting the date the wrong way around.
Post by: Reelya on December 01, 2012, 08:17:02 am
The Bolsheviks specifically overthrew the reformers in an opportunistic coup, promising to pull out of the war. There is no reason to think that the Bolsheviks would have came to power without the very specific set of circumstances leading up to the October Revolution. They did not even represent the majority of opinion of socialists.
Kerensky the leader of the February interim government had even scheduled elections, Lenin's group seized executive control just 1 month before the elections (this was strategically vital to them since elections would have legitimized whoever won). The Bolsheviks then allowed the planned elections to take place, and tried to take credit for them. When they ended up losing the elections of November 1917, they used their military and executive control to disband the parliament after only 1 day in session.
i believe space research was more inevitable than the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, myself. Based on the fact that not all similar countries have bolshevik revolutions, but technology development will always occur in the long run.
Post by: anzki4 on December 01, 2012, 09:37:08 am
She didn't know what was the capital of USA; in fact she didn't know USA had a capital and when she tried to guess it, she guessed New York state. (How does that work I don't even...) She also thought capital of California (where she's from) is San Diego. She had apparently never heard of Cold War and she thought Finland is closer to Atlantic Ocean than USA.
Yet she felt the need to make a smug comment on how the stupid redneck southerners don't know jack shit about anything.
And to think that she's graduating from High School next year...
Post by: Oliolli on December 01, 2012, 10:51:11 am
Post by: Carric on December 01, 2012, 10:52:35 am
Facepalm. Facepalm. Facepalm.
And the person who said this thinks that I'm a fascist. He doesn't know the meaning of the word.
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 01, 2012, 10:54:57 am
"Those people who say they're fighting for peace aren't all that silly because the only way there can be any peace is if one country destroys all other countries..."Pax Imperialis. There might be some truth to that.
Post by: OREOSOME on December 01, 2012, 10:58:26 am
And the person who said this thinks that I'm a fascist. He doesn't know the meaning of the word.What did you say/do that made him claim you were a fascist?
Post by: misko27 on December 01, 2012, 11:10:08 am
*couhg* Civil war *cough* I remember a flash game that lets you take over the world. When you win it says "Yay! You win! Now you can just sit back and enjoy your absolute power! At least until the next revolution...""Those people who say they're fighting for peace aren't all that silly because the only way there can be any peace is if one country destroys all other countries..."Pax Imperialis. There might be some truth to that.
Post by: Valid_Dark on December 02, 2012, 12:02:12 am
Quote from: youtube comment
xbox is the best by far sure a bunch of next gen games will come to pc first but xbox will be able to make them look the best because if you have a hacked xbox you can just download more ram and the updates microsoft does actually adds more video memory. alot of people dont know that. you pc gamers probably wouldnt understand having to buy new hardware for you computers all the time
Post by: FearfulJesuit on December 02, 2012, 12:09:31 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on December 02, 2012, 12:10:03 am
Youtube comments are like 4chan without the pictures.Quote from: youtube commentxbox is the best by far sure a bunch of next gen games will come to pc first but xbox will be able to make them look the best because if you have a hacked xbox you can just download more ram and the updates microsoft does actually adds more video memory. alot of people dont know that. you pc gamers probably wouldnt understand having to buy new hardware for you computers all the time
Post by: Svarte Troner on December 02, 2012, 01:12:28 am
I work at a pharmacy. Every now and again some poor schmuck comes in looking for batteries. Our battery display is a HUGE FUCKING RACK DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE ENTRANCE. And yet people still can't find it upon walking in, I don't think it could be more obvious even if we had flashing neon lights and a dwarf in a battery costume dancing around.
Post by: Reelya on December 02, 2012, 01:14:48 am
Is there any corner of the Internet stupider than Youtube comments? They make even Yahoo! Answers looks like a shining beacon of intellectual prowess.
Actually if you stick to the sections of Y/A where it's more right/wrong answers rather than opinion, it's not that bad, the Comics & Animation section and Maths / Science sections are OK. At least the people discussing Cartoons seem to know quite a bit about the series they're discussing, not exactly of Earth-shattering importance though ;D
The Politics section is 80% trolling, the Dating section is full of cringe-worthy teen angst (or people faking it for troll purposes).
Post by: MrWillsauce on December 02, 2012, 01:16:00 am
This isn't so much a stupid saying as it is just a stupid act:I fail to see things in plain sight like that all the time. It makes me feel absolutely retarded, especially when people are watching me.
I work at a pharmacy. Every now and again some poor schmuck comes in looking for batteries. Our battery display is a HUGE FUCKING RACK DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE ENTRANCE. And yet people still can't find it upon walking in, I don't think it could be more obvious even if we had flashing neon lights and a dwarf in a battery costume dancing around.
Post by: Valid_Dark on December 02, 2012, 04:36:48 am
Post by: anzki4 on December 02, 2012, 06:05:06 am
At first I thought "Finland is closer to Atlantic Ocean than USA" meant that "Finland is further from the USA than from the Atlantic Ocean". Then I got what you really meant.Yeah. That was a bit unclear.
Forgot to mention that the exchange student I talked about earlier believes that aliens have visited (or are currently on) earth, because her cousin has seem some.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 02, 2012, 06:18:22 am
To be fair, that's not a stupid statement.At first I thought "Finland is closer to Atlantic Ocean than USA" meant that "Finland is further from the USA than from the Atlantic Ocean". Then I got what you really meant.Yeah. That was a bit unclear.
Forgot to mention that the exchange student I talked about earlier believes that aliens have visited (or are currently on) earth, because her cousin has seem some.
Believing that your cousin has seen aliens probably is.
Post by: Hanslanda on December 02, 2012, 12:05:39 pm
To be fair, that's not a stupid statement.At first I thought "Finland is closer to Atlantic Ocean than USA" meant that "Finland is further from the USA than from the Atlantic Ocean". Then I got what you really meant.Yeah. That was a bit unclear.
Forgot to mention that the exchange student I talked about earlier believes that aliens have visited (or are currently on) earth, because her cousin has seem some.
Believing that your cousin has seen aliens probably is.
Indeed. I believe aliens have quite possibly visited Earth, as evidenced with the recent human obsession with 'Ancient Aliens' and all that shit,* but I don't think anyone alive today has met them.
*Has anyone else noticed how many video games/movies/tv shows have gone the Ancient Alien route? Prometheus, Assassin's Creed, The Herpaderp- er History Channel, etc?
Post by: Carric on December 02, 2012, 01:09:19 pm
And the person who said this thinks that I'm a fascist. He doesn't know the meaning of the word.What did you say/do that made him claim you were a fascist?
I disagreed with the person he thought should be our district's representative. He got really annoyed.
Post by: Xantalos on December 03, 2012, 01:19:20 am
Yes I have seen that. Only thing is, why visit?To be fair, that's not a stupid statement.At first I thought "Finland is closer to Atlantic Ocean than USA" meant that "Finland is further from the USA than from the Atlantic Ocean". Then I got what you really meant.Yeah. That was a bit unclear.
Forgot to mention that the exchange student I talked about earlier believes that aliens have visited (or are currently on) earth, because her cousin has seem some.
Believing that your cousin has seen aliens probably is.
Indeed. I believe aliens have quite possibly visited Earth, as evidenced with the recent human obsession with 'Ancient Aliens' and all that shit,* but I don't think anyone alive today has met them.
*Has anyone else noticed how many video games/movies/tv shows have gone the Ancient Alien route? Prometheus, Assassin's Creed, The Herpaderp- er History Channel, etc?
Post by: lordcooper on December 03, 2012, 01:22:27 am
Yes I have seen that. Only thing is, why visit?To be fair, that's not a stupid statement.At first I thought "Finland is closer to Atlantic Ocean than USA" meant that "Finland is further from the USA than from the Atlantic Ocean". Then I got what you really meant.Yeah. That was a bit unclear.
Forgot to mention that the exchange student I talked about earlier believes that aliens have visited (or are currently on) earth, because her cousin has seem some.
Believing that your cousin has seen aliens probably is.
Indeed. I believe aliens have quite possibly visited Earth, as evidenced with the recent human obsession with 'Ancient Aliens' and all that shit,* but I don't think anyone alive today has met them.
*Has anyone else noticed how many video games/movies/tv shows have gone the Ancient Alien route? Prometheus, Assassin's Creed, The Herpaderp- er History Channel, etc?
Why do citizens of first world countries sometimes take a holiday in the third world?
Post by: Xantalos on December 03, 2012, 01:52:13 am
I have no idea. Normally it's to see interesting sights, but aliens would have far more to see in the universe than Earth.Yes I have seen that. Only thing is, why visit?To be fair, that's not a stupid statement.At first I thought "Finland is closer to Atlantic Ocean than USA" meant that "Finland is further from the USA than from the Atlantic Ocean". Then I got what you really meant.Yeah. That was a bit unclear.
Forgot to mention that the exchange student I talked about earlier believes that aliens have visited (or are currently on) earth, because her cousin has seem some.
Believing that your cousin has seen aliens probably is.
Indeed. I believe aliens have quite possibly visited Earth, as evidenced with the recent human obsession with 'Ancient Aliens' and all that shit,* but I don't think anyone alive today has met them.
*Has anyone else noticed how many video games/movies/tv shows have gone the Ancient Alien route? Prometheus, Assassin's Creed, The Herpaderp- er History Channel, etc?
Why do citizens of first world countries sometimes take a holiday in the third world?
Post by: lordcooper on December 03, 2012, 01:55:04 am
Post by: SealyStar on December 03, 2012, 03:14:14 pm
It's probably the duck-billed platypus. There can't be many weirder things in existence.
Platypodes are the most amazing animals in existence.
A lot smaller than you would think, though.
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 03, 2012, 03:52:31 pm
Post by: Sirus on December 03, 2012, 03:56:28 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on December 03, 2012, 04:05:30 pm
Post by: Helgoland on December 03, 2012, 04:07:46 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: RedKing on December 03, 2012, 04:13:43 pm
So, not that different than the Peace Corps.
j/k :P
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 03, 2012, 04:16:58 pm
*Ahem*, obvious joke here (sorry in advancce):CURSE YOU BOND!!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: SealyStar on December 03, 2012, 04:23:23 pm
Pretty sure the word is "platypi". It's the best word because it has pi (or pie) in it :)
Nope. Pedantry police to the rescue.
According to English purists, it's just "platypuses". According to Latin/Greek fans, it's "platypodes". "Platypi" isn't correct in either language.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on December 03, 2012, 05:01:57 pm
According to the greek origin (or something like that), the plural for octopus is octupodi.
Octopodes, you philistine loon.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 03, 2012, 05:08:57 pm
I tell you what you artless base-court apple john.I feel like I was insulted by Boris Johnson.According to the greek origin (or something like that), the plural for octopus is octupodi.
Octopodes, you philistine loon.
You errant doghearted codpiece!
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 03, 2012, 05:10:18 pm
Y..You- you *Faints*You rapscallion, you! You ne'er doer well!I tell you what you artless base-court apple john.I feel like I was insulted by Boris Johnson.According to the greek origin (or something like that), the plural for octopus is octupodi.
Octopodes, you philistine loon.
You errant doghearted codpiece!
OIK!
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 03, 2012, 05:17:55 pm
Did you hear his father's explanation for why he's so successful? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17970833)
(about 34 seconds in on the video)
Post by: Putnam on December 03, 2012, 05:59:18 pm
I have no idea. Normally it's to see interesting sights, but aliens would have far more to see in the universe than Earth.
Earth has total eclipses with a visible corona. Do you know how amazing that ia?
Post by: Vorthon on December 03, 2012, 10:27:42 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 03, 2012, 10:31:00 pm
Post by: Vorthon on December 03, 2012, 10:40:08 pm
Post by: Reelya on December 03, 2012, 10:50:33 pm
How do we know that other planets in other solar systems don't already have amazing views we haven't even dreamt of?
Post by: Vorthon on December 03, 2012, 10:51:30 pm
Post by: Reelya on December 03, 2012, 10:53:54 pm
I want to see the view from a major moon of a superjovian gas giant orbiting in its star's habitable zone. That'd be amazing.
Wow, that would be cool, especially if there were several life-bearing moons orbiting the gas-giant ;D
Post by: Vorthon on December 03, 2012, 10:58:03 pm
Post by: misko27 on December 03, 2012, 10:59:58 pm
That's the idea. Just standing on one of those, the sights, sounds, and smells of an alien ecosystem around you, and a sky filled with even more Gardens of Eden above you, with a striped globe of blue and white in the background..And as you're doing that, atourist walks by shouting "THIS SUCKS. WHERE THE FUCK IS THE SPA."
Post by: Descan on December 03, 2012, 11:34:03 pm
Mmmmmmmmm~
Post by: Vorthon on December 03, 2012, 11:36:56 pm
Post by: misko27 on December 04, 2012, 12:16:50 am
It'd probably more amusing to pit them against the local wildlife. With no gear."I'm SORRY WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THIS DAMN NATURE. SHOO. DIE RAT-THINGS *SQUASH* BETTER. ANYWAY WAIT A MINUTE, I NEED TO TAKE A PISS."
*Pisses all over natural world. Even on Descan's shoes.*
"WHOOOPS. SORRY PAL"
Post by: Descan on December 04, 2012, 12:18:05 am
Post by: Vorthon on December 04, 2012, 12:19:27 am
It'd probably more amusing to pit them against the local wildlife. With no gear."I'm SORRY WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THIS DAMN NATURE. SHOO. DIE RAT-THINGS *SQUASH* BETTER. ANYWAY WAIT A MINUTE, I NEED TO TAKE A PISS."
*Pisses all over natural world. Even on Descan's shoes.*
"WHOOOPS. SORRY PAL"
And then of course, the rat-things turn out to be the juvenile form of a very large, very angry predator. Mama Ratbear doesn't like how you treated her kids...
Post by: misko27 on December 04, 2012, 12:25:19 am
"BOY THIS IS STILL A SHITHOLE EVEN FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE. THE SKELETONS THERE ARE MORE TALKATIVE, LOL."
"OMG IS THIS STILL GOING ON? WHEN ARE THE COMMERCIAL BREAKS?"
THE TOURIST TROLL, STRIKES AGAIN, FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE!
Post by: Seraphim342 on December 04, 2012, 09:37:25 am
He asked how that worked.
I, annoyed at his inability to grasp the obvious, sarcastically told him to shave off half his pubes, pour the turpentine on the other half, light it on fire, and then squish the little buggers when they ran out onto the shaved half to escape the fire.
He said thanks and ran off. I heard the next day that a couple of the guys in his hold had to stop the idiot from lighting his dick on fire later that night.
The worst part is, as far as I know that kid's a deck officer on a ship somewhere right now. /facepalm
Post by: Oliolli on December 04, 2012, 09:48:24 am
Post by: dwarfhoplite on December 04, 2012, 12:49:29 pm
I heard this in the bus today by a 16-18 year-old girl.
Post by: Hanslanda on December 04, 2012, 01:14:00 pm
I think you'd have to have a pretty perfect ratio of star size, moon size, distance the moon is from the planet, and distance the planet is from the sun. I really doubt it's common.
This has always baffled me. Why do people assume that alien life would need to conform to the same standards as Earth life? Fucking waterbears could survive on Mercury, Pluto, Uranus, Venus, or any other planet in our system, why can't an alien lifeform evolve outside this ridiculous 'Goldilocks' zone that everyone believes in? And ALSO, why do scientists assume that alien life would need water? I'm sure these are good starting points or whatever, but alien life will almost certainly NOT follow evolutionary lines from Earth.
Post by: Darvi on December 04, 2012, 01:24:48 pm
0"I still not sure how many oughts are in million."I have no idea how many oughts are in a million!
I heard this in the bus today by a 16-18 year-old girl.
What's an ought?
Post by: Oliolli on December 04, 2012, 01:26:37 pm
The amount of oughts in a million is undefined, so of course she wouldn't know.
Post by: Darvi on December 04, 2012, 01:28:41 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 04, 2012, 01:34:11 pm
I think you'd have to have a pretty perfect ratio of star size, moon size, distance the moon is from the planet, and distance the planet is from the sun. I really doubt it's common.
This has always baffled me. Why do people assume that alien life would need to conform to the same standards as Earth life? Fucking waterbears could survive on Mercury, Pluto, Uranus, Venus, or any other planet in our system, why can't an alien lifeform evolve outside this ridiculous 'Goldilocks' zone that everyone believes in? And ALSO, why do scientists assume that alien life would need water? I'm sure these are good starting points or whatever, but alien life will almost certainly NOT follow evolutionary lines from Earth.
Well, so far the only life we've found has evolved on planet Earth, so we're obviously going to assume that life has to evolve within this exact set of conditions, or something fairly close. I guess that you could call it evolutionary bias or something like that.
Oh, and water has a lot of highly useful and important characteristics that makes it highly important for life. It's polar, which allows for the formation of cell walls out of lipids, and it's also a very tiny molecule, allowing for fun things osmosis. I'm sure that I'm missing a lot more critical uses for water in cell formation, but it's been a while since biology. Now I'm not saying that alien life can't develop without water, but it's biology is going to be exotic as hell if it does.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 04, 2012, 01:51:37 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on December 04, 2012, 01:59:49 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on December 04, 2012, 02:16:29 pm
aren't there nebula several times the size of our galaxy mainly composed of water, a lot of which is in liquid state and at earth-like temperatures? like, huge, galaxy sized space oceans? where life can evolve separately in several different pockets, several lightyears apart from each other, and go for trillions of years without meeting, but basically in the same body of water?...
Holy shit really? That's...
...that's fucking awesome. Where the hell would you get your energy from, though? Can water molecules do fusion?
See, now I'm imagining a sci-fi novel about these civilizations that all live in a giant galactic water bubble, and in the very center of it is a water sun where the pressure has become so great that the water is undergoing fusion to warm the whole bubble, but after billions of year it will have eaten so much water and become so big that the water bubble will basically become steam and everyone in the galaxy dies.
Post by: miauw62 on December 04, 2012, 02:22:36 pm
Either way, don't we have strange alien-like things that use arsenic (name is probably fucked up) instead of phosphorus?
Post by: FearfulJesuit on December 04, 2012, 02:26:40 pm
What do you get when you fuse water and water, tough?
Phlogiston, of course!
Post by: Darvi on December 04, 2012, 02:30:23 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 04, 2012, 02:31:29 pm
Silicon can't replace carbon because silicon's a semimetal. It cannot form the bonds carbon needs to for life, at least not without some very specific environmental requirements that would probably null a lot of the other necessities of life.
Hydrogen and oxygen are needed for water, which isn't strictly required for life, but is required for anything more advanced than microbes, and hydrogen is also a major component in many carbon compounds. Oxygen's effectively the perfect mix of ability to bond and ability to not dissolve other molecules necessary for life doing it.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on December 04, 2012, 02:39:49 pm
You kind of wonder if civilization could ever get off the ground in a water nebula, though... for all we know, dolphins may have language or something not unlike it, so the most basic thing that really makes us that different from other smart animals is fire. You might be able to get agriculture (kelpaculture?) started in a water nebula, but metalworking ain't gonna happen.
It does make me wonder what you could find in a water nebula that would allow you to have sentient species at all, really. If it's galaxy-sized, it's not inconceivable that it would contain planets and things it had swallowed up, but could it have stable solar systems in it? I doubt it. Again, energy will be a big problem. Unless you could somehow have bubbles of vacuum that had solar systems in them (how that would work I don't even know.) Then you'd have two different sorts of biosphere: normal ones on normal planets and a bigger, more nebulous, far less diverse one in the cosmic ocean that had been seeded by comets and things that had wandered too far, and with...like...chemosynthetic organisms that fed off the rock with help from the light of distant stars.
On the other hand, once you've got space exploration and a method of propelling your spaceships with fusion, you're golden, because you can never run out of fuel...
Post by: Darvi on December 04, 2012, 02:44:43 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on December 04, 2012, 02:47:00 pm
You're talking as if a nebula hadn't the density of a lab-created vacuum.
Oh, yeah.
I dunno, I was just imagining this...giant bubble of water millions of light-years in diameter.
Which would be pretty fucking cool.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 04, 2012, 02:48:13 pm
What about beyond that? Most of our bodies are hydrogen, carbon and oxygen, but nitrogen, sulfur and phosphorous make appearances too...so does other stuff but it tends to be stuff like iron or sodium that's only used in a few molecules in a few applications and we don't possess that much of it.
I'd imagine that those are more replaceable in their functions, depending on the environment. I was just pointing out the core of life is probably going to be founded in those three elements over everything else because they're pretty much perfect for life.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 04, 2012, 02:48:29 pm
I think you'd have to have a pretty perfect ratio of star size, moon size, distance the moon is from the planet, and distance the planet is from the sun. I really doubt it's common.
This has always baffled me. Why do people assume that alien life would need to conform to the same standards as Earth life? Fucking waterbears could survive on Mercury, Pluto, Uranus, Venus, or any other planet in our system, why can't an alien lifeform evolve outside this ridiculous 'Goldilocks' zone that everyone believes in? And ALSO, why do scientists assume that alien life would need water? I'm sure these are good starting points or whatever, but alien life will almost certainly NOT follow evolutionary lines from Earth.
Dude, I wasn't talking about life. I was talking about having a complete solar eclipse with a visible corona.
Post by: Darvi on December 04, 2012, 02:49:59 pm
I seriously don't know how you would even imagine that oh wait (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceIsAnOcean).You're talking as if a nebula hadn't the density of a lab-created vacuum.
Oh, yeah.
I dunno, I was just imagining this...giant bubble of water millions of light-years in diameter.
Which would be pretty fucking cool.
Post by: Helgoland on December 04, 2012, 04:06:01 pm
I dunno, I was just imagining this...giant bubble of water millions of light-years in diameter.Isn't that how one of the earth creation stories in the bible starts?
Which would be pretty fucking cool.
"6 And God said, “Let there be an expanse[a] in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7 And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. 8 And God called the expanse Heaven.[c] And there was evening and there was morning, the second day."
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on December 04, 2012, 05:53:35 pm
I'd really like to see a source for that statement about aquatic nebulae.would a cracked article do?
idk. it was something about a black hole, and something something a cloud of mostly water vapour with a billion times our galaxy in size, and with something something something galaxy sized pockets of liquid water...
there were space sharks somewhere in there, i'm sure...
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 04, 2012, 06:01:53 pm
Never. Also in terms of semantics, nebula are clouds. Wouldn't an aquatic nebula be a really big bubble, like a planet that's entirely liquid? Funky.I'd really like to see a source for that statement about aquatic nebulae.would a cracked article do?
Post by: Darvi on December 04, 2012, 06:07:08 pm
Post by: SealyStar on December 04, 2012, 06:09:08 pm
What, you must be thinking of Oceania.
If you're trying to make 1984 jokes, it's Eurasia, not Europa.
If it's just a geography gag, we could debate for hours on the continental status of both.
Post by: Darvi on December 04, 2012, 06:12:26 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on December 04, 2012, 08:37:01 pm
Europa!Never. Also in terms of semantics, nebula are clouds. Wouldn't an aquatic nebula be a really big bubble, like a planet that's entirely liquid? Funky.I'd really like to see a source for that statement about aquatic nebulae.would a cracked article do?
if it orbited closer to the sun.
Europa's got a core of rock, though, hasn't it?
Also, if it orbited closer, what would water of that depth look like? After a few tens of miles down, wouldn't the water start to heat up from the pressure? And so wouldn't you get convection cycles?
Post by: Vorthon on December 04, 2012, 08:43:04 pm
Post by: Oliolli on December 04, 2012, 11:43:03 pm
Post by: Vorthon on December 04, 2012, 11:45:08 pm
Keep yer soft sci-fi outta this! :P
Post by: Flying Dice on December 05, 2012, 12:09:20 am
Post by: Aviator CJ on December 05, 2012, 12:12:17 am
It'd also start boiling away because something that small isn't exactly good at holding on to an atmosphere.
Saturn's moon Titan would like to have some words with you
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Titan
Post by: Vorthon on December 05, 2012, 12:20:24 am
2. Titan's the second largest moon in the solar system. Europa's smaller than Luna.
Post by: Helgoland on December 05, 2012, 07:38:06 am
The latter. Never read Orwell.Do it, then. It makes for great quoting material :P
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Post by: tomio175 on December 06, 2012, 04:28:20 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 06, 2012, 04:31:01 pm
What if Europa is just a huge chunk of ice? Like an ice cube, but round, and in outer space.We've already estabilished that Europa contains water under it's ice layer. Mostly because the ice, while being bloody thick, isn't unbreakable. It cracks and moves, hinting that something underneath is moving it.
Post by: Valid_Dark on December 06, 2012, 04:33:46 pm
What if Europa is just a huge chunk of ice? Like an ice cube, but round, and in outer space.
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Post by: Loud Whispers on December 06, 2012, 04:36:41 pm
Dwarves.What if Europa is just a huge chunk of ice? Like an ice cube, but round, and in outer space.We've already estabilished that Europa contains water under it's ice layer. Mostly because the ice, while being bloody thick, isn't unbreakable. It cracks and moves, hinting that something underneath is moving it.
Post by: Hanslanda on December 07, 2012, 01:03:11 am
Dwarves.What if Europa is just a huge chunk of ice? Like an ice cube, but round, and in outer space.We've already estabilished that Europa contains water under it's ice layer. Mostly because the ice, while being bloody thick, isn't unbreakable. It cracks and moves, hinting that something underneath is moving it.
LOT'S of dwarves.
Post by: MonkeyHead on December 07, 2012, 04:26:29 am
It'd also start boiling away because something that small isn't exactly good at holding on to an atmosphere.
Saturn's moon Titan would like to have some words with you
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Titan
Titan also has some kind of crazy geological or volcanic processes going on which contributes to its atmosphere, driven by tidal flexing - Jupiter is a bitch.
Post by: misko27 on December 07, 2012, 08:35:29 am
''Perhaps a Lunatic is simply a minority of one." Never heard of Bay12.The latter. Never read Orwell.Do it, then. It makes for great quoting material :PWAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Post by: miauw62 on December 07, 2012, 02:33:27 pm
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Post by: misko27 on December 07, 2012, 02:37:10 pm
I'm pretty sure Europe has life on it.I'm fairly sure Europe is inhabited too. I know some people from there.
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Post by: RedKing on December 07, 2012, 02:38:03 pm
Best recent one: "Meat is the most popular meat in the US." ???
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on December 07, 2012, 03:20:30 pm
"Meat is the most popular meat in the US."Seems reasonable. Can you come up with a meat more loved?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2012, 03:24:13 pm
"Meat is the most popular meat in the US."Seems reasonable. Can you come up with a meat more loved?
I don't know about loved, but when you count all the mystery meat served in cafeterias around the country that statement might be correct...
Post by: Descan on December 07, 2012, 03:26:05 pm
... I don't know, you guys. At least it wasn't what they were advertising, as I thought at first. "Come buy from us, we have popular meat!"
Post by: RedKing on December 07, 2012, 03:28:23 pm
She (my professor friend) was not amused.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 07, 2012, 03:49:28 pm
Post by: Darvi on December 07, 2012, 04:37:37 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 07, 2012, 04:39:06 pm
Post by: Wrex on December 07, 2012, 06:42:45 pm
Post by: Darvi on December 07, 2012, 06:47:12 pm
Post by: Wrex on December 07, 2012, 06:50:15 pm
It's okay, no doubt that Wolf killed quite a few bars too. Not sure about polar bars, though.bars?
Polar bars?
Like, that bar that signifies the geographical north/south poles?
How do you kill that?
With a saucegeyser.
Post by: Darvi on December 07, 2012, 06:51:01 pm
Post by: Darvi on December 07, 2012, 06:56:25 pm
Wait no, GO has Sleaze resistance doesn't he.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on December 07, 2012, 06:57:42 pm
One of the girls piped up towards the end of the talk when questions could be posed.
"So wait," says she, "the main character gets paid to kill cell phones?"
*class performs a mass facepalm*
The teacher then has to explain that the term android is, first and foremost, a term for robot/cyborg/however you want to define it, and is not simply a name for a brand of smart phone.
"Oh. Now it makes much more sense." says the girl.
I facepalmed so hard a piece of my soul died.
EDIT: woop! Hurray for interrupting forum discussions with completely unrelated stuff!
Post by: Darvi on December 07, 2012, 07:00:41 pm
Post by: Helgoland on December 08, 2012, 12:22:52 am
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 08, 2012, 07:57:33 am
And sleaze damage.Or you could just play KoL.
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 08, 2012, 08:26:09 am
Polar bars of soap? They attract cleanliness?It's okay, no doubt that Wolf killed quite a few bars too. Not sure about polar bars, though.bars?
Polar bars?
Like, that bar that signifies the geographical north/south poles?
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 08, 2012, 08:31:17 am
Bar
Post by: miauw62 on December 08, 2012, 08:33:35 am
(http://www.img.ie/et21w.gif)Doesn't look like a polar bar tough.
Bar
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 08, 2012, 08:44:41 am
Post by: Oliolli on December 08, 2012, 12:16:13 pm
Maybe it's a bipolar bar?(http://www.img.ie/et21w.gif)Doesn't look like a polar bar tough.
Bar
Post by: Helgoland on December 08, 2012, 12:44:14 pm
I don't want to be around when that bar's mood swings.Maybe it's a bipolar bar?(http://www.img.ie/et21w.gif)Doesn't look like a polar bar tough.
Bar
Post by: Carric on December 08, 2012, 10:30:57 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on December 08, 2012, 10:34:40 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on December 08, 2012, 10:38:36 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 08, 2012, 11:41:44 pm
Post by: Oliolli on December 09, 2012, 03:52:21 am
I'M GONNA MURDER YOU!
But I love you so much!
As far as I know, in bipolar disorder the moodswings take quite long, even weeks. Feeling like murdering someone and loving them at the same time is more of a borderline personality disorder thing.
Post by: Helgoland on December 09, 2012, 04:04:14 am
That thing sounded more like an ax crazy psychopath.
Post by: Scelly9 on December 09, 2012, 04:27:11 am
Post by: Oliolli on December 09, 2012, 09:38:17 am
Apparently, dealing with a person who is in the manic state is much more annoying than if they were in the depressed state. Bipolars are usually in the manic state wjhen they are sent to hospitals, simply because they are driving the people close to them insane.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 09, 2012, 03:41:14 pm
Post by: Helgoland on December 09, 2012, 06:54:51 pm
Mania is more than just being extremely happy. It's over-excitement, delusions, and so forth. In the same way that depression isn't adequately summarized as someone being "really sad".It's being willing to do stupid, anything, even something real stupid, like robbing a store, just because you can. You feel all-powerful, invincible, like nothing could harm you. I can see why you would do cocaine now.
The depressive phase is pretty much the opposite: You think your entire life is suffering. You want to kill yourself, you just can't muster the courage. You feel worthless, undeserving, unable to live any longer. You just want to... get it over with, be done with living - even oblivion would be better than that.
(Been there, luckily not done that - good thing I went to see a psychiatrist :) . Being quite drunk probably helped with posting this :D )
Post by: Oliolli on December 10, 2012, 01:57:37 am
Mania is more than just being extremely happy. It's over-excitement, delusions, and so forth. In the same way that depression isn't adequately summarized as someone being "really sad".
I know, it was just a quick, simplified way of explaining.
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 10, 2012, 12:47:00 pm
But I already feel like that all the time?Mania is more than just being extremely happy. It's over-excitement, delusions, and so forth. In the same way that depression isn't adequately summarized as someone being "really sad".It's being willing to do stupid, anything, even something real stupid, like robbing a store, just because you can. You feel all-powerful, invincible, like nothing could harm you. I can see why you would do cocaine now.
The depressive phase is pretty much the opposite: You think your entire life is suffering. You want to kill yourself, you just can't muster the courage. You feel worthless, undeserving, unable to live any longer. You just want to... get it over with, be done with living - even oblivion would be better than that.
(Been there, luckily not done that - good thing I went to see a psychiatrist :) . Being quite drunk probably helped with posting this :D )
Post by: Oliolli on December 10, 2012, 12:52:25 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 10, 2012, 01:02:06 pm
That's called delusion of grandeur. Often a sympton of delusional disorder.No I pretty much am that way.
So's my dad, though. Like, not even joking, the dude's been in 11 car wrecks, been struck by lightning, gotten shot in the face at point blank range, and lives in a house with three girls, two of them teenagers.
The man's got more plot armor than Edward Cullen and enough luck to drown a goddamn leprechaun.
Post by: Helgoland on December 10, 2012, 02:57:26 pm
So's my dad, though. Like, not even joking, the dude's been in 11 car wrecks, been struck by lightning, gotten shot in the face at point blank range, and lives in a house with three girls, two of them teenagers.Oh, a family man!
What did he do to get shot? And how come he's been in 11 (dafuq?) accidents?
Post by: Scoops Novel on December 10, 2012, 03:01:08 pm
Post by: SealyStar on December 10, 2012, 03:11:17 pm
He was alive when it happened, too, for Christ's sake!
Post by: Darvi on December 10, 2012, 03:12:13 pm
They landed on Mars.
Post by: Helgoland on December 10, 2012, 03:15:22 pm
Post by: Oliolli on December 10, 2012, 04:18:10 pm
What did he do to get shot?
My guess involves an evil genius and the words "This is the price for failure."
And how come he's been in 11 (dafuq?) accidents?
Oil slicks, man! He's always been in the cars that simply crash into a tree or some other car, not in one of the cars that fly off a cliff and burst into flames.
Post by: Scoops Novel on December 10, 2012, 04:35:24 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 10, 2012, 07:08:06 pm
So's my dad, though. Like, not even joking, the dude's been in 11 car wrecks, been struck by lightning, gotten shot in the face at point blank range, and lives in a house with three girls, two of them teenagers.Oh, a family man!
What did he do to get shot? And how come he's been in 11 (dafuq?) accidents?
He was locking up the resturaunt. Crazy guy with a gun busts in. He hits alarm. Badguy shoots him and runs away. Creepyass 911 call he loves to show to people, end of story.
I don't know why he's been in 11 accidents. He claims they aren't his fault but after the fifth or so accident you start to wonder...
Well now we know we know where earths Rincewind winded up. What do they do if you're shot in the face, by the way?Well, it hit his jaw, so they pulled as much of the bullet out as they could (one out of three peices. The other two were near his spine and jugular) and clamped his jaw shut for about half a year, IIRC. This was when I was like, 7-10 though. Long time ago.
Post by: Carric on December 10, 2012, 10:36:57 pm
Silly Sealy (whoa), the A11 moon landing was faked.'Little do they know I did stage the moon landings... ON VENUS!'
They landed on Mars.
My thoughts (Conversation with stupid person who actually doesn't exist) on this:
Me: "So those people who died trying to get into space really didn't die?"
Some stupid person: "But it must be true! I've seen it on Fox News!"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 11, 2012, 02:35:38 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on December 11, 2012, 03:07:26 pm
Post by: Darvi on December 11, 2012, 03:11:01 pm
I get all my political news from FOX news. I love their unbiased, not-opinionated-whatsoever stances on topics. On a completely unrelated note, I am retarded.I agree with half of this statement.
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Post by: RedKing on December 11, 2012, 03:12:36 pm
You mean America Centauri. Which is a trinary system composed of a red giant, white giant and blue giant. Sure, liberal weenie scientists claim that not only is such a system impossible but that the combined radiation would fry every living thing. But that's because they don't count on the power of hard work and Christian faith to protect real Americans from their fearmongering "star rays".*Fox news is filmed in Alpha Centauri.In the cowboy universe.
America Centauri Prime's dominant lifeform? The jet-propelled bald eagle.
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Post by: MrWillsauce on December 11, 2012, 03:17:14 pm
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USAYou mean America Centauri. Which is a trinary system composed of a red giant, white giant and blue giant. Sure, liberal weenie scientists claim that not only is such a system impossible but that the combined radiation would fry every living thing. But that's because they don't count on the power of hard work and Christian faith to protect real Americans from their fearmongering "star rays".*Fox news is filmed in Alpha Centauri.In the cowboy universe.
America Centauri Prime's dominant lifeform? The jet-propelled bald eagle.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 11, 2012, 04:03:22 pm
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USAYou mean America Centauri. Which is a trinary system composed of a red giant, white giant and blue giant. Sure, liberal weenie scientists claim that not only is such a system impossible but that the combined radiation would fry every living thing. But that's because they don't count on the power of hard work and Christian faith to protect real Americans from their fearmongering "star rays".*Fox news is filmed in Alpha Centauri.In the cowboy universe.
America Centauri Prime's dominant lifeform? The jet-propelled bald eagle.
At first I wondered why you were chanting "UA UA UA", but then I remembered that I don't use Darkling.
Post by: RedKing on December 11, 2012, 04:08:17 pm
UA UA O'Reilly fhtagn?USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USAYou mean America Centauri. Which is a trinary system composed of a red giant, white giant and blue giant. Sure, liberal weenie scientists claim that not only is such a system impossible but that the combined radiation would fry every living thing. But that's because they don't count on the power of hard work and Christian faith to protect real Americans from their fearmongering "star rays".*Fox news is filmed in Alpha Centauri.In the cowboy universe.
America Centauri Prime's dominant lifeform? The jet-propelled bald eagle.
At first I wondered why you were chanting "UA UA UA", but then I remembered that I don't use Darkling.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 11, 2012, 04:11:30 pm
UA UA O'Reilly fhtagn?USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USAYou mean America Centauri. Which is a trinary system composed of a red giant, white giant and blue giant. Sure, liberal weenie scientists claim that not only is such a system impossible but that the combined radiation would fry every living thing. But that's because they don't count on the power of hard work and Christian faith to protect real Americans from their fearmongering "star rays".*Fox news is filmed in Alpha Centauri.In the cowboy universe.
America Centauri Prime's dominant lifeform? The jet-propelled bald eagle.
At first I wondered why you were chanting "UA UA UA", but then I remembered that I don't use Darkling.
O'Reilly obviously isn't sleeping in R'lyeh, though. I wish he was; it would save us all a lot of SAN points.
Post by: RedKing on December 11, 2012, 04:23:44 pm
UA UA O'Reilly fhtagn?
O'Reilly obviously isn't sleeping in R'lyeh, though. I wish he was; it would save us all a lot of SAN points.
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Post by: Darvi on December 11, 2012, 04:25:08 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 11, 2012, 04:39:58 pm
I've never actually seen the original clip, though I knew what it was.
Post by: SealyStar on December 11, 2012, 07:25:12 pm
1. There is no song called "Dark Side of the Moon". It is "Brain Damage" and "Eclipse", as all PF fans should know.
2. He thought it was some kind of inspirational song about moving on after bad things happen. Gee, didn't "lunatic" get through your head?
Post by: Sirus on December 11, 2012, 07:30:01 pm
No, I'm totally not speaking from personal experience here <_<;
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 12, 2012, 11:59:58 am
Who's that guy again?Bread comes in, toast comes out. You can't explain that!
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 13, 2012, 01:15:18 am
Quote from: TheDeanmartinfan1
i am fourteen i hate beiber hat high school musical and many of the other "teen heart throbs" i like the rat pack and older music much better. they had more class and they deserved to be stars.
sometimes I look at youtube comments
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 13, 2012, 05:37:11 am
Post by: Sabretache on December 13, 2012, 05:50:29 am
...
I lost a lot of hope in humanity on that day...
Post by: DrPoo on December 13, 2012, 05:53:35 am
Who's that guy again?Bread comes in, toast comes out. You can't explain that!
Girl gets ring, girl runs off. You can't explain that!
Post by: Sirus on December 13, 2012, 02:49:52 pm
When flying over a forest in a plane, the guy sitting behind me says "Wow! Look at all that sand!"Was he reading from a travel magazine? Perhaps they had some nice pictures of beaches.
...
I lost a lot of hope in humanity on that day...
Post by: Sabretache on December 13, 2012, 04:11:43 pm
When flying over a forest in a plane, the guy sitting behind me says "Wow! Look at all that sand!"Was he reading from a travel magazine? Perhaps they had some nice pictures of beaches.
...
I lost a lot of hope in humanity on that day...
I believe he was looking out the plane's window, but that could always have been it.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 13, 2012, 04:17:37 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 13, 2012, 04:22:52 pm
CIA STILL WATCHING YOU. You can't explain that!Girl gets ring, girl runs off. You can't explain that!Who's that guy again?Bread comes in, toast comes out. You can't explain that!
Post by: RedKing on December 13, 2012, 04:26:05 pm
Actually, that's me. Can you turn just a bit to the left? Thanks.CIA STILL WATCHING YOU. You can't explain that!Girl gets ring, girl runs off. You can't explain that!Who's that guy again?Bread comes in, toast comes out. You can't explain that!
Post by: Korbac on December 13, 2012, 04:29:00 pm
Post by: Darvi on December 13, 2012, 04:38:52 pm
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER?
Post by: DrPoo on December 13, 2012, 04:43:01 pm
CIA STILL WATCHING YOU. You can't explain that!Girl gets ring, girl runs off. You can't explain that!Who's that guy again?Bread comes in, toast comes out. You can't explain that!
OXYGEN COMES IN, CARBON DIOXIDE COMES OUT. You can't explain that!
Post by: Flying Dice on December 13, 2012, 04:44:16 pm
CIA STILL WATCHING YOU. You can't explain that!Girl gets ring, girl runs off. You can't explain that!Who's that guy again?Bread comes in, toast comes out. You can't explain that!
OXYGEN COMES IN, CARBON DIOXIDE COMES OUT. You can't explain that!
Ring falls into volcano, volcano erupts. You can't explain that!
Actually, it's because the po-
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 13, 2012, 04:44:54 pm
PEOPLE WALK IN REVOLVING DOOROXYGEN COMES IN, CARBON DIOXIDE COMES OUT. You can't explain that!CIA STILL WATCHING YOU. You can't explain that!Girl gets ring, girl runs off. You can't explain that!Who's that guy again?Bread comes in, toast comes out. You can't explain that!
PEOPLE NOT COME OUT
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHT
Post by: Flying Dice on December 13, 2012, 04:49:49 pm
Also this is what you made me think of, LW:
Da warbuggyz red an' it goez fasta. Yez can't explain that!
WAAAAAAAAAGH!
Post by: Helgoland on December 13, 2012, 04:59:10 pm
Knife goes in, blood goes out. You can no longer explain that!PEOPLE WALK IN REVOLVING DOOROXYGEN COMES IN, CARBON DIOXIDE COMES OUT. You can't explain that!CIA STILL WATCHING YOU. You can't explain that!Girl gets ring, girl runs off. You can't explain that!Who's that guy again?Bread comes in, toast comes out. You can't explain that!
PEOPLE NOT COME OUT
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHT
Post by: DrPoo on December 13, 2012, 04:59:31 pm
I think this pyramid is edging towards the danger zone.
Also this is what you made me think of, LW:
Da warbuggyz red an' it goez fasta. Yez can't explain that!
WAAAAAAAAAGH!
Errrrrrrrrrr
what?
Post by: RedKing on December 13, 2012, 04:59:54 pm
I think this pyramid is edging towards the danger zone.
Also this is what you made me think of, LW:
Da warbuggyz red an' it goez fasta. Yez can't explain that!
WAAAAAAAAAGH!
O'Reilly would make a good Space Ork, wouldn't he?
"Oi! Dem libruhls iz always messin' up da' boyz plans. Dey tink dey can kill Kriss-mas and stuff it up wif sum panzee "Happy Holidays" naff?? Snik doze stinkin' gits!!"
Post by: Bigheaded on December 13, 2012, 05:02:07 pm
Amusingly, she's doing better at uni than i did.
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 13, 2012, 05:07:09 pm
Post by: Bigheaded on December 13, 2012, 05:24:10 pm
Those fish eat blood by the way.
i very much doubt they will be able to have sexual intercourse in such a way to give her AIDS though.
Post by: Bdthemag on December 13, 2012, 05:29:15 pm
Hey, those fish are a pretty weird group. I'd watch out for your cousin if I were you, never know when those fish deviants are going to try to make a move on her.Those fish eat blood by the way.
i very much doubt they will be able to have sexual intercourse in such a way to give her AIDS though.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 13, 2012, 06:36:31 pm
That is all.Hey, those fish are a pretty weird group. I'd watch out for your cousin if I were you, never know when thoseThose fish eat blood by the way.
i very much doubt they will be able to have sexual intercourse in such a way to give her AIDS though.fish deviantsDeep Ones are going to try to make a move on her.
Post by: DrPoo on December 13, 2012, 06:42:12 pm
Knife goes in, blood goes out. You can no longer explain that!PEOPLE WALK IN REVOLVING DOOROXYGEN COMES IN, CARBON DIOXIDE COMES OUT. You can't explain that!CIA STILL WATCHING YOU. You can't explain that!Girl gets ring, girl runs off. You can't explain that!Who's that guy again?Bread comes in, toast comes out. You can't explain that!
PEOPLE NOT COME OUT
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHT
Guy makes funny Bill O'Rly joke, everyone bandwagons, quote pyramid forms. Can't explain that!
Post by: Flying Dice on December 13, 2012, 06:43:46 pm
Post by: Descan on December 13, 2012, 07:19:15 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on December 13, 2012, 07:20:48 pm
O'Rly'Eh?Sanity exists, in America. Can't explain that.
Post by: Truean on December 13, 2012, 10:12:47 pm
Judge: "I'm the judge, I don't have to have proof of that. It's in the record."
[Person continues to argue with judge until bailiff kills the video feed, possibly because judge ordered it with gesture].
Person being sentenced: "[Directed at victim sitting in back of court] You're goin' ta go ta Hell...."
[Judge finds in direct contempt of court for this]
I ... don't even.... Why, why would you say things like these? There can't be any functional future prediction here. What are they trying to accomplish? It does not compute. I'm glad I was only watching this....
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on December 13, 2012, 10:31:01 pm
Post by: misko27 on December 13, 2012, 11:16:01 pm
Person being arraigned: "Who says I'm on probation!? Do you have proof of that?"Exactly, silly Truean. Your too busy thinking "logically". They are driven by things other then that.
Judge: "I'm the judge, I don't have to have proof of that. It's in the record."
[Person continues to argue with judge until bailiff kills the video feed, possibly because judge ordered it with gesture].
Person being sentenced: "[Directed at victim sitting in back of court] You're goin' ta go ta Hell...."
[Judge finds in direct contempt of court for this]
I ... don't even.... Why, why would you say things like these? There can't be any functional future prediction here. What are they trying to accomplish? It does not compute. I'm glad I was only watching this....
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 13, 2012, 11:48:55 pm
Person being arraigned: "Who says I'm on probation!? Do you have proof of that?"
Judge: "I'm the judge, I don't have to have proof of that. It's in the record."
[Person continues to argue with judge until bailiff kills the video feed, possibly because judge ordered it with gesture].
Person being sentenced: "[Directed at victim sitting in back of court] You're goin' ta go ta Hell...."
[Judge finds in direct contempt of court for this]
I ... don't even.... Why, why would you say things like these? There can't be any functional future prediction here. What are they trying to accomplish? It does not compute. I'm glad I was only watching this....
If I tell the Judge to go to hell he'll have no choice but to aquit me!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on December 13, 2012, 11:59:39 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 14, 2012, 12:24:37 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 14, 2012, 12:29:01 am
Maybe the person being sentenced knew they were screwed, and as the grim finality of the situation swept over them, they made it determined for it to be as undignified as possible...MY strategy for those sorts of situations is to just smile like I have a plan and bluff my way to victory.
Actually that's my strategy for most everything.
And when that can't work, like in a game, Turtle until I'm OP and then curbstomp their neck.
Post by: Heron TSG on December 14, 2012, 12:29:12 am
I haven't been in this thread much, but I'm guessing that Truean posts here a lot.
Post by: Sirus on December 14, 2012, 12:31:08 am
Commissar Karnewarrior, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!Maybe the person being sentenced knew they were screwed, and as the grim finality of the situation swept over them, they made it determined for it to be as undignified as possible...MY strategy for those sorts of situations is to just smile like I have a plan and bluff my way to victory.
Actually that's my strategy for most everything.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 14, 2012, 01:08:17 am
Commissar Karnewarrior, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!Maybe the person being sentenced knew they were screwed, and as the grim finality of the situation swept over them, they made it determined for it to be as undignified as possible...MY strategy for those sorts of situations is to just smile like I have a plan and bluff my way to victory.
Actually that's my strategy for most everything.
That's another pair of timeclones confirmed, then. Ciaphas Cain is a member of B12 because he's Pathos.
Post by: tomio175 on December 14, 2012, 11:21:13 am
Maybe the person being sentenced knew they were screwed, and as the grim finality of the situation swept over them, they made it determined for it to be as undignified as possible...But, what if hell is a nice place and he's just wishing for the victim of the crime a happy future? That'd be sad :(
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 14, 2012, 12:55:12 pm
According to some classic rock bands, Hell is not a bad place to be. :PMaybe the person being sentenced knew they were screwed, and as the grim finality of the situation swept over them, they made it determined for it to be as undignified as possible...But, what if hell is a nice place and he's just wishing for the victim of the crime a happy future? That'd be sad :(
Post by: Flying Dice on December 14, 2012, 01:02:43 pm
Hell has the gambling, the booze, the drugs, most of the good music, and almost all of the cool people. There's also the bit about the opportunity to stab Hitler in the face once a day for the rest of eternity.According to some classic rock bands, Hell is not a bad place to be. :PMaybe the person being sentenced knew they were screwed, and as the grim finality of the situation swept over them, they made it determined for it to be as undignified as possible...But, what if hell is a nice place and he's just wishing for the victim of the crime a happy future? That'd be sad :(
Post by: Reelya on December 14, 2012, 01:57:55 pm
Post by: RedKing on December 14, 2012, 02:11:42 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on December 14, 2012, 02:16:16 pm
Best part would be giving him a job where he has to clean out the cells of the Jewish inhabitants.hah! jews don't go to hell, that's for atheists and muslims
Post by: Xantalos on December 14, 2012, 10:06:50 pm
Actually, I'm pretty sure that only Mormons go to heaven, according to South Park, which we can all implicitly trust as bearer of the truth. It's why I don't watch Oprah; her lady parts may be tracking their viewers.And dem evul migrants!Best part would be giving him a job where he has to clean out the cells of the Jewish inhabitants.hah! jews don't go to hell, that's for atheists and muslims
Post by: misko27 on December 15, 2012, 01:36:12 am
Silly Xantalos, Don;t you know? There are THREE heavans. One for TRUE MORMONS, one For regular good christians, and one for bad people and non-christians. and then one hell for people who are opposed or rejected jesus.Actually, I'm pretty sure that only Mormons go to heaven, according to South Park, which we can all implicitly trust as bearer of the truth. It's why I don't watch Oprah; her lady parts may be tracking their viewers.And dem evul migrants!Best part would be giving him a job where he has to clean out the cells of the Jewish inhabitants.hah! jews don't go to hell, that's for atheists and muslims
So, keep in mind,in Mormon religion Anne Frank is in the same Heavan as Hitler.
Post by: PanH on December 15, 2012, 01:54:09 am
Silly Xantalos, Don;t you know? There are THREE heavans. One for TRUE MORMONS, one For regular good christians, and one for bad people and non-christians. and then one hell for people who are opposed or rejected jesus.Actually, I'm pretty sure that only Mormons go to heaven, according to South Park, which we can all implicitly trust as bearer of the truth. It's why I don't watch Oprah; her lady parts may be tracking their viewers.And dem evul migrants!Best part would be giving him a job where he has to clean out the cells of the Jewish inhabitants.hah! jews don't go to hell, that's for atheists and muslims
So, keep in mind,in Mormon religion Anne Frank is in the same Heavan as Hitler.
I don't think it was necessary to keep the same error : it's not Mormons. There's no need for a M. Just say "mormons".
Post by: MaximumZero on December 15, 2012, 02:30:09 am
I don't think it was necessary to keep the same error : it's not Mormons. There's no need for a M. Just say "mormons".Um, "Mormons" without an m would be "orons," and that's a very unclear word.
Post by: PanH on December 15, 2012, 02:41:03 am
I don't think it was necessary to keep the same error : it's not Mormons. There's no need for a M. Just say "mormons".Um, "Mormons" without an m would be "orons," and that's a very unclear word.
But if you change the o by a c, the r by a 'a', remove the second o, replace the n by a t, it gives "cats" !
Post by: MaximumZero on December 15, 2012, 02:49:44 am
Mormons = cats?I don't think it was necessary to keep the same error : it's not Mormons. There's no need for a M. Just say "mormons".Um, "Mormons" without an m would be "orons," and that's a very unclear word.
But if you change the o by a c, the r by a 'a', remove the second o, replace the n by a t, it gives "cats" !
The thought of the thermonuclear mormonsplosion is a very strange thought, indeed.
Post by: PanH on December 15, 2012, 02:55:24 am
Well, I guess they could be both. But in what heaven do they end ? Or maybe they're buddhist morcats, and they reincarnate in ... something that goes in a regular Heaven/Hell.Mormons = cats?I don't think it was necessary to keep the same error : it's not Mormons. There's no need for a M. Just say "mormons".Um, "Mormons" without an m would be "orons," and that's a very unclear word.
But if you change the o by a c, the r by a 'a', remove the second o, replace the n by a t, it gives "cats" !
The thought of the thermonuclear mormonsplosion is a very strange thought, indeed.
Post by: MaximumZero on December 15, 2012, 02:57:19 am
They reincarnate as Sims. THE HORROR.Well, I guess they could be both. But in what heaven do they end ? Or maybe they're buddhist morcats, and they reincarnate in ... something that goes in a regular Heaven/Hell.Mormons = cats?I don't think it was necessary to keep the same error : it's not Mormons. There's no need for a M. Just say "mormons".Um, "Mormons" without an m would be "orons," and that's a very unclear word.
But if you change the o by a c, the r by a 'a', remove the second o, replace the n by a t, it gives "cats" !
The thought of the thermonuclear mormonsplosion is a very strange thought, indeed.
Post by: PanH on December 15, 2012, 03:02:35 am
They then drown in theThey reincarnate as Sims. THE HORROR.Well, I guess they could be both. But in what heaven do they end ? Or maybe they're buddhist morcats, and they reincarnate in ... something that goes in a regular Heaven/Hell.Mormons = cats?I don't think it was necessary to keep the same error : it's not Mormons. There's no need for a M. Just say "mormons".Um, "Mormons" without an m would be "orons," and that's a very unclear word.
But if you change the o by a c, the r by a 'a', remove the second o, replace the n by a t, it gives "cats" !
The thought of the thermonuclear mormonsplosion is a very strange thought, indeed.
How to get an evil-doer from a peaceful morcat.
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 15, 2012, 04:24:17 am
*Plus immortality. Aw yeah.Hell has the gambling, the booze, the drugs, most of the good music, and almost all of the cool people. There's also the bit about the opportunity to stab Hitler in the face once a day for the rest of eternity.According to some classic rock bands, Hell is not a bad place to be. :PMaybe the person being sentenced knew they were screwed, and as the grim finality of the situation swept over them, they made it determined for it to be as undignified as possible...But, what if hell is a nice place and he's just wishing for the victim of the crime a happy future? That'd be sad :(
Post by: miauw62 on December 15, 2012, 06:59:13 am
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 15, 2012, 09:19:03 am
Post by: miauw62 on December 15, 2012, 09:42:48 am
Post by: Helgoland on December 15, 2012, 09:45:39 am
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on December 15, 2012, 09:46:06 am
Post by: Flying Dice on December 15, 2012, 09:53:35 am
The Stupid Thread 2: Return of Hitler-StabbingIt's the other way around this time, though. Instead of Hitler everyone else in the face, everyone else is stabbing Hitler in the face. We're giving Hitler a facial with pointy bits of steel. Or would we be using knives of silver and cold iron?
Post by: miauw62 on December 15, 2012, 10:03:58 am
But, i think we can only use knives that got in hell. Wich knives/swords would that be?
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 15, 2012, 11:04:37 am
Post by: Darvi on December 15, 2012, 11:06:55 am
Post by: Oliolli on December 15, 2012, 11:35:16 am
But, i think we can only use knives that got in hell. Wich knives/swords would that be?
The knives Hitler used to stab people in the face with. Duh.
Post by: Darvi on December 15, 2012, 11:37:04 am
"Ach nein, vhy did I stab all zese people ins Gesicht!?"
Post by: Mageziya on December 15, 2012, 11:31:37 pm
"Stabbin? Ich AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH."
Bay12, land of derails.
Post by: MrWillsauce on December 15, 2012, 11:37:05 pm
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Post by: MrWillsauce on December 15, 2012, 11:54:47 pm
Post by: Mageziya on December 15, 2012, 11:57:21 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on December 16, 2012, 02:15:53 am
I'm sad now :(
Post by: miauw62 on December 16, 2012, 07:20:51 am
Post by: Graknorke on December 31, 2012, 08:44:41 am
Quote from: An Youtube video
I've ben thinking about a phrase I've been hearing recently. That anti-racist is just a codeword for anti-white. It's starting to make sense. They say that they're anti-racist but what they really are is anti-white. Think about it.I don't even understand. That is pretty much the pinnacle of circularity.
Later on there's sort of better reasoning, but it's setting up a whole bunch of straw men and then a bunch of suppositions that aren't necessarily true, then making a case on that.
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzC2Y9pPW7A)
Post by: Dutchling on December 31, 2012, 09:15:22 am
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzC2Y9pPW7A)Germany blocks that video.
I thought they only blocked copyright stuff o_O
Post by: Graknorke on December 31, 2012, 09:19:29 am
Oh yeah, Godwin's Law.Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzC2Y9pPW7A)Germany blocks that video.
I thought they only blocked copyright stuff o_O
They talk about Hitler and how they [white people] are apparently compared to Nazis a lot and I'm pretty sure that's illegal in Germany (?), so that would explain it.
Post by: itisnotlogical on December 31, 2012, 09:21:53 am
EDIT: Just remembered, a few weeks ago my Spanish teacher tried to argue that any assumptions at all were wrong and mean. Not even racist assumptions, just stuff like "a Mexican man living in Mexico probably knows how to speak Spanish".
I guess I'm mean for assuming that everybody on this board knows how to read and write English.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on December 31, 2012, 09:29:08 am
Also, itsnotlogical, you never know! Maybe he speaks Zapotec or Tzotzil or Mixe or Zoque!
But if she's saying things like that, she probably doesn't know about those.
Post by: Graknorke on December 31, 2012, 09:31:22 am
Why are PETA so crazy? Surely they realize that by being reasonable they could accomplish more than they do?There's a department of PETA who find the whole thing highly amusing and have convinced the rest that the most effective way is also the most hilarious way.
Post by: Oliolli on December 31, 2012, 09:36:19 am
Post by: Graknorke on December 31, 2012, 09:39:59 am
That level of crazy doesn't just come around organically. It has to be premeditated.
Post by: Evilsx on December 31, 2012, 09:40:38 am
Post by: Oliolli on December 31, 2012, 10:12:57 am
It has to be.
That level of crazy doesn't just come around organically. It has to be premeditated.
If it doesn't come around organically, does that mean that PETA's crazy is from an inorganic source, like a supercomputer that likes to see people act crazy?
Think about it, i make more sense then you think
That doesn't take much effort, my thoughts rarely make sense.
Post by: kaijyuu on December 31, 2012, 10:34:53 am
Quote
EDIT: Just remembered, a few weeks ago my Spanish teacher tried to argue that any assumptions at all were wrong and mean. Not even racist assumptions, just stuff like "a Mexican man living in Mexico probably knows how to speak Spanish".Only if you think negatively of someone if they don't (online translators exist and are sufficient for a board like this). Also assumptions are bad if you're reinforcing stereotypes with your assumptions.
I guess I'm mean for assuming that everybody on this board knows how to read and write English.
Don't make value judgments, and be wary of cultural things, and then you can reasonably make assumptions about people. Oh, and I guess make sure you're using decent inductive reasoning in the first place...
Post by: misko27 on December 31, 2012, 10:54:16 am
Regardless, PETA makes a great example of showing how being too condescending actually undermines your cause. I actually agree with PETA on quite a few things (though not everything, like no pets), but I distance myself from them due to their holier-than-thou attitude.I am going to be offfended at the implication of poor or insufficient english, as I was just compared to Google Translate.QuoteEDIT: Just remembered, a few weeks ago my Spanish teacher tried to argue that any assumptions at all were wrong and mean. Not even racist assumptions, just stuff like "a Mexican man living in Mexico probably knows how to speak Spanish".Only if you think negatively of someone if they don't (online translators exist and are sufficient for a board like this). Also assumptions are bad if you're reinforcing stereotypes with your assumptions.
I guess I'm mean for assuming that everybody on this board knows how to read and write English.
Don't make value judgments, and be wary of cultural things, and then you can reasonably make assumptions about people. Oh, and I guess make sure you're using decent inductive reasoning in the first place...
Post by: XXSockXX on December 31, 2012, 10:59:09 am
Oh, and I guess make sure you're using decent inductive reasoning in the first place...You know that joke about assumptions:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 31, 2012, 04:08:35 pm
A crazy PETA lady argued that our canines came about in the last two centuries because of eating meat. When I argued something along the lines of "no they fucking didn't", she tried to convince me that they were designed to crack peanut shells.Wolf -> Dog -> Peanuts
Clearly there is a missing link here.
> Elephant
The whole [white people] seems a bit misplaced. It's more to do with their nationality than race, and when your nationality was literally responsible for a whole shibang of crap well, you can't really blame them for trying to forget all traces of Hitler face stabbing.Oh yeah, Godwin's Law.Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzC2Y9pPW7A)Germany blocks that video.
I thought they only blocked copyright stuff o_O
They talk about Hitler and how they [white people] are apparently compared to Nazis a lot and I'm pretty sure that's illegal in Germany (?), so that would explain it.
The wrong approach, but understandable nonetheless.
Post by: Sirus on December 31, 2012, 04:24:07 pm
Post by: RedKing on December 31, 2012, 04:30:40 pm
No it means their crazy is full of pesticides and preservatives....which actually would explain a lot. Maybe there's a PETA initiation rite where they huff Raid and eat a can of SPAM.It has to be.
That level of crazy doesn't just come around organically. It has to be premeditated.
If it doesn't come around organically, does that mean that PETA's crazy is from an inorganic source, like a supercomputer that likes to see people act crazy?
Post by: Helgoland on January 02, 2013, 03:48:11 pm
You'd be taking quite a bit of heat for that here in Germany - we make a fine point of not forgetting, but remembering. This goes so far that some young people complain that they did Nazi times every single year throughout their schooltime.The whole [white people] seems a bit misplaced. It's more to do with their nationality than race, and when your nationality was literally responsible for a whole shibang of crap well, you can't really blame them for trying to forget all traces of Hitler face stabbing.Oh yeah, Godwin's Law.Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzC2Y9pPW7A)Germany blocks that video.
I thought they only blocked copyright stuff o_O
They talk about Hitler and how they [white people] are apparently compared to Nazis a lot and I'm pretty sure that's illegal in Germany (?), so that would explain it.
The wrong approach, but understandable nonetheless.
Also memorials, Stolpersteine, Volkstrauertag (though that's mostly for the fallen solddiers of all sides and both wars), Nazis arriving in Cologne for a demonstration not being able to exit the train station because it was blocked by peaceful protesters, the Nazi party (NPD) being about to be forbidden, and a hundred things I'm forgetting.
Seriously: Germany will remember even after Israel has forgotten.
Post by: Xantalos on January 02, 2013, 11:27:09 pm
Post by: dei on January 03, 2013, 12:54:08 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 03, 2013, 03:57:16 am
I think you posted the correct counter argument, greatorder - YOU AIN'T GOT NO PANCAKE MIXIf anti-racist = anti-white?
Racist = pro-white?
Post by: Xantalos on January 03, 2013, 03:59:25 am
That ... is some very good ITL.I think you posted the correct counter argument, greatorder - YOU AIN'T GOT NO PANCAKE MIXIf anti-racist = anti-white?
Racist = pro-white?
Post by: Sirus on January 03, 2013, 04:06:29 am
Post by: Sheb on January 03, 2013, 04:57:50 am
Post by: Scoops Novel on January 03, 2013, 09:38:49 am
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on January 03, 2013, 10:04:56 am
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 03, 2013, 12:42:56 pm
Seriously, have you never watched a movie?
Post by: RedKing on January 03, 2013, 12:50:45 pm
"There's no way this could go wrong."I say that all the time...usually as an indicator that I expect things to go horribly, horribly wrong.
Seriously, have you never watched a movie?
Post by: Darvi on January 03, 2013, 01:10:53 pm
Post by: Darvi on January 03, 2013, 06:57:28 pm
Nope.
Dafuq is that logic!?
Post by: MaximumZero on January 03, 2013, 06:58:20 pm
Darvi's right. That's not logic. That's a herp of faith.Nope.
Dafuq is that logic!?
Post by: Darvi on January 03, 2013, 07:39:56 pm
Post by: misko27 on January 03, 2013, 08:04:21 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 03, 2013, 08:32:27 pm
I mentioned a theory that light in the early universe was faster than light is now.It's only a theory if there's some sort of testable evidence to back it up :|
I was then called a creationist for saying that.
Dafuq is that logic!?
Post by: Descan on January 03, 2013, 08:36:56 pm
HYPOTHESIS, DAMNIT!
Post by: Sirus on January 03, 2013, 08:38:25 pm
Otherwise it's a hypothesis.Finally, someone remembers the poor Scientific Method! I can't be the only one to send a card on it's birthday, right?
HYPOTHESIS, DAMNIT!
Post by: misko27 on January 03, 2013, 08:46:56 pm
NINJA"D DAMN IT.
What's a Hyperthesis then?
Post by: Descan on January 03, 2013, 08:47:27 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 03, 2013, 08:50:11 pm
Quote from: wordnik.com
hyperthesis
Definitions
Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia
n. In ancient prosody, interchange of quantity in two successive places of a logaśdic series, so that in one of two lines metrically corresponding, as in strophe and antistrophe, a long is apparently transferred to a position before a short, which it would normally succeed, or a short transferred so as to exchange places with a preceding long. See polyschematic.
n. In Philol., a transfer or “'attraction” of a letter from the syllable to which it originally belonged to another syllable immediately preceding or following it; orthographic transposition, or metathesis: thus, in Greek, μέλαινα is used for μελανια.
n. In the Gr. Ch., a fast in addition to those regularly observed.
Also some sort of research group in New Zealand.
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 03, 2013, 09:41:32 pm
OK, it's not a theory, it's a model!As long as you don't imply it's a valid scientific model without SOME explaining...
A MODEL!
Now will you stop attacking me!?
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on January 04, 2013, 02:57:47 am
it's a "proper" hypothesis, formulated by real scientists
Post by: Sirus on January 04, 2013, 03:18:17 am
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/08/light-traveled-faster-in-the-early-universe-todays-most-popular.htmlThere's a reason why "proper hypotheses" are not typically included in science textbooks, you know :x
it's a "proper" hypothesis, formulated by real scientists
And some of the comments on that page are just plain lulz-worthy.
Post by: Flying Dice on January 04, 2013, 01:44:28 pm
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/08/light-traveled-faster-in-the-early-universe-todays-most-popular.htmlThere's a reason why "proper hypotheses" are not typically included in science textbooks, you know :x
it's a "proper" hypothesis, formulated by real scientists
And some of the comments on that page are just plain lulz-worthy.
Calling something a "proper hypothesis" because it was proposed by a real, live scientist is about as useful as calling something a "good idea" because the person who suggested it doesn't have brain damage.
"Let's go out for pizza." or "Let's drive the Kia off a cliff!"
Granted, the latter is a good idea so long as nobody is still inside.
Post by: da_nang on January 04, 2013, 02:46:20 pm
"Let's go out for pizza." or "Let's drive the Kia off a cliff!"Until it develops wings and a propensity to steal items many times its own mass.
Granted, the latter is a good idea so long as nobody is still inside.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on January 04, 2013, 03:05:39 pm
no. it's as useful as saying a diagnosis is plausible because it was suggested by a doctor.http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/08/light-traveled-faster-in-the-early-universe-todays-most-popular.htmlThere's a reason why "proper hypotheses" are not typically included in science textbooks, you know :x
it's a "proper" hypothesis, formulated by real scientists
And some of the comments on that page are just plain lulz-worthy.
Calling something a "proper hypothesis" because it was proposed by a real, live scientist is about as useful as calling something a "good idea" because the person who suggested it doesn't have brain damage.
"Let's go out for pizza." or "Let's drive the Kia off a cliff!"
Granted, the latter is a good idea so long as nobody is still inside.
it's a proper hypothesis because it was formulated by someone who actually knows what he's talking about. i'm not even calling it "a good idea", i'm just distancing it from pseudo-science
Post by: Descan on January 04, 2013, 03:12:58 pm
If there hasn't been an experiment, it's not right, but it's not wrong either.
I'll allow math to be considered a weak form of experiment. :3
So, has there been math done for it?
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 04, 2013, 03:17:57 pm
I'll allow math to be considered a weak form of experiment. :3But... Axioms D:
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on January 04, 2013, 03:23:25 pm
Post by: PanH on January 04, 2013, 06:30:57 pm
If it disagrees with experiments, it's wrong.What about thing you can't experiment about ? Are we condamned to the eternal non-knowing of the Planck's wall ?
If there hasn't been an experiment, it's not right, but it's not wrong either.
I'll allow math to be considered a weak form of experiment. :3
So, has there been math done for it?
And I want to know who of a dinosaur or a ninja wins a fight.
Post by: Sirus on January 04, 2013, 06:34:36 pm
Post by: Descan on January 04, 2013, 06:35:18 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 04, 2013, 06:38:57 pm
Post by: Carric on January 04, 2013, 06:48:07 pm
Post by: PanH on January 04, 2013, 07:20:59 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 04, 2013, 07:25:54 pm
OK, the same guy just said that it's used as a creationist argument.The variable-speed-of-light hypothesis is (or was) used as a creationist argument. Clearly, the speed of light used to be faster, and thus the universe (and Earth) is only about 6,000 years old rather than the 14 billion according to what we can see of the universe.
I've asked him if he knows what a creationist is.
I don't make it up, I just report it :|
Post by: PanH on January 04, 2013, 07:28:58 pm
That's why Einstein didn't believed his own theory.OK, the same guy just said that it's used as a creationist argument.The variable-speed-of-light hypothesis is (or was) used as a creationist argument. Clearly, the speed of light used to be faster, and thus the universe (and Earth) is only about 6,000 years old rather than the 14 billion according to what we can see of the universe.
I've asked him if he knows what a creationist is.
I don't make it up, I just report it :|
Post by: Sirus on January 04, 2013, 08:33:21 pm
Like I said, I just report it. I don't even begin to try and follow it.H-h-how does that even work?OK, the same guy just said that it's used as a creationist argument.The variable-speed-of-light hypothesis is (or was) used as a creationist argument. Clearly, the speed of light used to be faster, and thus the universe (and Earth) is only about 6,000 years old rather than the 14 billion according to what we can see of the universe.
I've asked him if he knows what a creationist is.
I don't make it up, I just report it :|
WAT!?
My brain is melting!
Post by: misko27 on January 04, 2013, 11:09:55 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on January 04, 2013, 11:16:05 pm
Post by: misko27 on January 04, 2013, 11:55:27 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on January 05, 2013, 12:39:46 am
here, have fun (http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9811018v2.pdf)
i skimmed it and it doesn't seem to be very obtuse, though it's 5:30 am where i'm at and i don't feel like providing a tl;dr
Post by: Sirus on January 05, 2013, 12:51:59 am
i posted this earlierYou a physics major or something? I can readily admit that I can't really make heads nor tails of it.here, have fun (http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9811018v2.pdf)
i skimmed it and it doesn't seem to be very obtuse, though it's 5:30 am where i'm at and i don't feel like providing a tl;dr
What I am seeing, however, are a whole lot of "maybe"s, "could"s, and "possibly"s, without much in the way of hard data.
Post by: kaenneth on January 05, 2013, 12:56:19 am
If light traveled at 400 million meters per second instead of 300 million~ish, it would be because either meters got shorter, or seconds got longer.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on January 05, 2013, 01:31:58 am
The speed of light in a vacuum is constant.oh, thank you, i didn't know that. i guess this dude must be delusional or something. should somebody tell him that؟
If light traveled at 400 million meters per second instead of 300 million~ish, it would be because either meters got shorter, or seconds got longer.
Post by: Sirus on January 05, 2013, 01:36:15 am
If his ideas are not backed by supporting evidence but he continues to push them, then that might be considered delusional. Otherwise, he's pushing an alternate hypothesis that, to my knowledge, has yet to be tested.
Post by: MaximumZero on January 05, 2013, 01:46:20 am
I doubt that. If he didn't believe it, he wouldn't have had it published. Furthermore (inb4 "Einstein was a(n) [insert religion]-ist!"):That's why Einstein didn't believed his own theory.OK, the same guy just said that it's used as a creationist argument.The variable-speed-of-light hypothesis is (or was) used as a creationist argument. Clearly, the speed of light used to be faster, and thus the universe (and Earth) is only about 6,000 years old rather than the 14 billion according to what we can see of the universe.
I've asked him if he knows what a creationist is.
I don't make it up, I just report it :|
The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive. However, I am also not a "Freethinker" in the usual sense of the word because I find that this is in the main an attitude nourished exclusively by an opposition against naive superstition. My feeling is insofar religious as I am imbued with the consciousness of the insufficiency of the human mind to understand deeply the harmony of the Universe which we try to formulate as "laws of nature." It is this consciousness and humility I miss in the Free-thinker mentality.
From a letter to Beatrice F. in response to a question about whether he was a "free thinker", 17 December 1952
Post by: Pyre on January 05, 2013, 02:27:16 am
Post by: Evilsx on January 05, 2013, 02:30:37 am
On a somewhat related note to the current topic, I would like to submit anything Kent Hovind said, EVER (http://fstdt.com/Search.aspx?Fundie=Kent+Hovind&Page=1)....No words beside "Where dose he live so i can beat some sense into him"
Post by: Sirus on January 05, 2013, 02:37:51 am
If you really wanna beat someone up, check out Andy Schlafly or Vox Day.
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 05, 2013, 03:41:33 am
On a somewhat related note to the current topic, I would like to submit anything Kent Hovind said, EVER (http://fstdt.com/Search.aspx?Fundie=Kent+Hovind&Page=1).Not really. He isn't stupid; just very corrupt. He even managed to correctly describe evolution step by step to his audience (after then saying this proves evolution wrong admittedly(?)).
If you want real stupid, banana man.
Post by: miauw62 on January 05, 2013, 05:01:10 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 05, 2013, 05:07:03 am
He said Jupiter rock.Tide goes in tide goes out is another example of smart people playing dumb people.
Post by: Sheb on January 05, 2013, 05:20:12 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 05, 2013, 05:23:44 am
Problem with physics is that theorical physics went well ahead of experimental physics. It worked great (look at the number of particle that were "discovered" by theory before being validated by experiment). But it's also mean that we have a lot of widely different hypothesis around that await testing. This seems to be one of them.This is a problem?
Post by: Sheb on January 05, 2013, 05:33:02 am
Post by: MonkeyHead on January 05, 2013, 05:41:01 am
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on January 05, 2013, 06:45:46 am
Post by: PanH on January 05, 2013, 03:17:30 pm
so, if c is proven to not be constant, does that mean we probably live in a flat universe? and we can say goodbye to ambitions of warp drives and superluminal travel? this theory sucks.Wat.
Einstein worked years to try to correct his general relativity theory, because of "issues" and non unchanged universe and stuff that had to matter with cosmological / philosophical stuff. I don't remember the exact thing, but I know some catholics argue that's a sign of god.
Post by: MonkeyHead on January 05, 2013, 05:07:54 pm
I am 100% unsure as to how this can be used as an argument for God by any holder of religious faith.
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 05, 2013, 05:13:32 pm
QuoteEvolution is a religious faith.
STUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDGRAAAH!
I blame them crazy religious atheist folk.
Post by: MonkeyHead on January 05, 2013, 05:14:51 pm
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
Post by: Sirus on January 05, 2013, 05:20:32 pm
Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.I assume they leave out the parts about walking on water and whatever other miracles happened?
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
Post by: anzki4 on January 05, 2013, 05:21:40 pm
Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.And how do the miracles work without god?
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
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Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on January 05, 2013, 05:25:22 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on January 05, 2013, 05:30:18 pm
I can't help but feel (personally) that Jesus was simply a nice guy that got well known, and over time it got a bit exaggerated.So... Jesus was basically the equivalent of Elvis, or Michael Jackson?
But that's for the religious threa- Hang on, it got locked :/
Post by: MonkeyHead on January 05, 2013, 05:31:00 pm
Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.I assume they leave out the parts about walking on water and whatever other miracles happened?
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
They treat the stories as metaphorical rather than literal.
Post by: Sirus on January 05, 2013, 05:35:51 pm
But other parts are meant to be taken literally instead? Sounds familiar...Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.I assume they leave out the parts about walking on water and whatever other miracles happened?
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
They treat the stories as metaphorical rather than literal.
Post by: Helgoland on January 05, 2013, 09:00:05 pm
That's what I like about catholiicism: We have a whole city-state devoted to the task of making it possible for us to ignore the unpleasant bits from the bible. And because that city-state is downright batshit crazy in some points, we can also ignore what they tell us to do!Seems to me that it's whatever suits them in the circumstances.But other parts are meant to be taken literally instead? Sounds familiar...Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.I assume they leave out the parts about walking on water and whatever other miracles happened?
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
They treat the stories as metaphorical rather than literal.
Post by: Strife26 on January 05, 2013, 11:32:39 pm
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Don't worry, I'm wearing fire resistant pants
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 05, 2013, 11:51:55 pm
Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
Atheists who believe Jesus was the son of God? Because that is what you need to believe in order to be Christian >_>
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 05, 2013, 11:54:59 pm
Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
Atheists who believe Jesus was the son of God? Because that is what you need to believe in order to be Christian >_>
What do you mean? Just because you believe in Jesus, doesn't automatically make you believe he is the son of god. I myself believe Jesus existed, though I do think the resurrection and water walking and son of God is... well, for lack of a better term...
EDIT: Got a word that is much less likely to arouse anger.
Post by: Flying Dice on January 06, 2013, 12:00:12 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 06, 2013, 12:02:56 am
Though that contributed like, nothing to the discussion.
And this post doesn't either.
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 06, 2013, 12:03:19 am
Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
Atheists who believe Jesus was the son of God? Because that is what you need to believe in order to be Christian >_>
What do you mean? Just because you believe in Jesus, doesn't automatically make you believe he is the son of god. I myself believe Jesus existed, though I do think the resurrection and water walking and son of God is... well, for lack of a better term...brb consulting a thesaurus, I probably wouldn't get away with using that word in this context.fiction!
So I believe in Zeno and Epictetus existing, and that makes me a stoic? Every belief held in common by all Christians is that Jesus was the son of God and all the miracles he did like come from the dead and such is true. You can believe Jesus was cool guy who did stuff, but unless you accept that you aren't Christian.
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 06, 2013, 12:06:21 am
Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
Atheists who believe Jesus was the son of God? Because that is what you need to believe in order to be Christian >_>
What do you mean? Just because you believe in Jesus, doesn't automatically make you believe he is the son of god. I myself believe Jesus existed, though I do think the resurrection and water walking and son of God is... well, for lack of a better term...brb consulting a thesaurus, I probably wouldn't get away with using that word in this context.fiction!
So I believe in Zeno and Epictetus existing, and that makes me a stoic? Every belief held in common by all Christians is that Jesus was the son of God and all the miracles he did like come from the dead and such is true. You can believe Jesus was cool guy who did stuff, but unless you accept that you aren't Christian.
Ripped this definition from Dictionary.com
of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
I see no 'God has to exist too' in there.
Post by: Flying Dice on January 06, 2013, 12:10:02 am
Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
Atheists who believe Jesus was the son of God? Because that is what you need to believe in order to be Christian >_>
What do you mean? Just because you believe in Jesus, doesn't automatically make you believe he is the son of god. I myself believe Jesus existed, though I do think the resurrection and water walking and son of God is... well, for lack of a better term...brb consulting a thesaurus, I probably wouldn't get away with using that word in this context.fiction!
So I believe in Zeno and Epictetus existing, and that makes me a stoic? Every belief held in common by all Christians is that Jesus was the son of God and all the miracles he did like come from the dead and such is true. You can believe Jesus was cool guy who did stuff, but unless you accept that you aren't Christian.
Ripped this definition from Dictionary.com
of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
I see no 'God has to exist too' in there.
Mat 16:13-17 -- And coming into the parts of Caesarea Philippi, Jesus asked His disciples, saying, Who do men say Me to be, the Son of Man? And they said, Some say, John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He said to them, But who do you say I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered and said to him, You are blessed, Simon, son of Jonah, for flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but My Father in Heaven.
If you believe that Jesus existed and that what he taught/said is generally factual, then yes, God must by necessity exist. I'm sure you could find plenty of other passages along similar lines with a little searching.
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 06, 2013, 12:13:23 am
I guess I was just taught that all you had to do to be Christian was believe in Jesus.
I'll discuss this with my more religious friends at school on Monday, maybe then I can learn something about the subject I like to think I know so much about.
Post by: Flying Dice on January 06, 2013, 12:15:58 am
Post by: Bot Hack on January 06, 2013, 12:18:54 am
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Post by: Loud Whispers on January 06, 2013, 12:20:59 am
Ripped this definition from Dictionary.com
of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
I see no 'God has to exist too' in there.
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.Delicious copy pasta.
Religion can get interesting sometimes; I have a friend who's Jain, and as such they are vegetarians and hardcore fasters. I asked him about how he felt about vegetarianism, and he said it has everything to do with not hurting living things. So I asked him about eggs, and he said it is harming potential living beings. So I asked him about commercial eggs; which never would have had any potential to hatch.
And well, commercial eggs don't exactly come from treating birds well. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_cage)
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on January 06, 2013, 12:34:42 am
I just thought that you should all know that Jesus was way cool. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUrqaJZH-04)He was also a superstar. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVr2uks0C8)
Post by: Helgoland on January 06, 2013, 05:00:38 am
Post by: miauw62 on January 06, 2013, 05:25:58 am
Yet Christian Atheists actually exist, and are really cool people.Hey, that sounds like how I view the Bible.
"Jesus was a cool guy. Do as he did. There is no god though - that shit is just crazy."
Post by: MonkeyHead on January 06, 2013, 10:18:16 am
Post by: Helgoland on January 06, 2013, 10:23:54 am
Wow. Got someone claiming that unless there was a god, it'd be impossible for there to be an approximate 50/50 ratio of males to females in all animal species. His reasoning? Basically, 'This is how it works.'Meh, if the witchcraft works better, I'll choose witchcraft over science any day of the week.
No evidence or anything, just him basically saying that.
He also claimed that evolution doesn't exist, and it's not science, it's witchcraft!
It doesn't, though. (http://xkcd.com/836/)
Post by: PanH on January 06, 2013, 02:59:36 pm
I suppose the point that there isnt even a 50/50 split in most species is lost on them? Or that many species dont even have male/female genders.And the snails ? What does he do of the snails ?
Post by: Helgoland on January 06, 2013, 04:50:59 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 06, 2013, 11:46:31 pm
And the all-female lizard species that has to engage in hot lizard-on-lizard action to autofertilize."Every individual in this whip-tailed lizard population is female - genetically the same female. Every time they lay eggs, a clutch of new female clones is born. The lizards live in the deserts of Arizona and New Mexico, and must be perfectly adapted to their surroundings. As a result, they don’t want their good genes diluted by the involvement of males. The females have opted to hang on to their favourable genes and have driven the males to extinction.." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006v48r)
Lesbian lizard clone sex for purpose of procreation in the middle of a desert.
Mother nature has been using the internet again hasn't she? :|
Post by: Sirus on January 06, 2013, 11:52:47 pm
Relevant. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2012/02/god-hates-checkered-whiptail-lizards/)And the all-female lizard species that has to engage in hot lizard-on-lizard action to autofertilize."Every individual in this whip-tailed lizard population is female - genetically the same female. Every time they lay eggs, a clutch of new female clones is born. The lizards live in the deserts of Arizona and New Mexico, and must be perfectly adapted to their surroundings. As a result, they don’t want their good genes diluted by the involvement of males. The females have opted to hang on to their favourable genes and have driven the males to extinction.." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006v48r)
Lesbian lizard clone sex for purpose of procreation in the middle of a desert.
Mother nature has been using the internet again hasn't she? :|
Post by: Muz on January 07, 2013, 03:37:08 am
Which pisses me off instantly because
- Economy goes up because we've got the world's highest quality oil reserves
- Economy would still go up if people did absolutely nothing (which is what the opposition will do)
- National debt and expenditure increased to 'dangerous' levels (but we'll just improve our economy fast enough to pay them off)
- Prices for food fucking doubled over 10 years
- Income for the average worker did not go up by 10%
- Unemployment went up, scholarships went down because "we've got too many unemployed educated people, so why make more?"
I don't even know if the 10% claim is true, but there's so much information left out and so many condescending remarks by the incumbent coalition that it's annoying.
Post by: justinlee999 on January 07, 2013, 04:35:00 am
"Our economy is went by 10%! Only stupid people would vote for the opposition!"Heh, supporting who, the DAP or PKR? (Don't talk about PAS).
Which pisses me off instantly because
- Economy goes up because we've got the world's highest quality oil reserves
- Economy would still go up if people did absolutely nothing (which is what the opposition will do)
- National debt and expenditure increased to 'dangerous' levels (but we'll just improve our economy fast enough to pay them off)
- Prices for food fucking doubled over 10 years
- Income for the average worker did not go up by 10%
- Unemployment went up, scholarships went down because "we've got too many unemployed educated people, so why make more?"
I don't even know if the 10% claim is true, but there's so much information left out and so many condescending remarks by the incumbent coalition that it's annoying.
Post by: Helgoland on January 07, 2013, 05:03:16 am
Poe's law: This is satire, right?Relevant. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2012/02/god-hates-checkered-whiptail-lizards/)And the all-female lizard species that has to engage in hot lizard-on-lizard action to autofertilize."Every individual in this whip-tailed lizard population is female - genetically the same female. Every time they lay eggs, a clutch of new female clones is born. The lizards live in the deserts of Arizona and New Mexico, and must be perfectly adapted to their surroundings. As a result, they don’t want their good genes diluted by the involvement of males. The females have opted to hang on to their favourable genes and have driven the males to extinction.." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006v48r)
Lesbian lizard clone sex for purpose of procreation in the middle of a desert.
Mother nature has been using the internet again hasn't she? :|
Post by: Sirus on January 07, 2013, 01:01:52 pm
Pretty sure it is. Probably spoofing the WBC :PPoe's law: This is satire, right?Relevant. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2012/02/god-hates-checkered-whiptail-lizards/)And the all-female lizard species that has to engage in hot lizard-on-lizard action to autofertilize."Every individual in this whip-tailed lizard population is female - genetically the same female. Every time they lay eggs, a clutch of new female clones is born. The lizards live in the deserts of Arizona and New Mexico, and must be perfectly adapted to their surroundings. As a result, they don’t want their good genes diluted by the involvement of males. The females have opted to hang on to their favourable genes and have driven the males to extinction.." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006v48r)
Lesbian lizard clone sex for purpose of procreation in the middle of a desert.
Mother nature has been using the internet again hasn't she? :|
Post by: RedKing on January 07, 2013, 01:28:56 pm
I think it's fair to call that a herp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpetology) derp. :PRelevant. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2012/02/god-hates-checkered-whiptail-lizards/)And the all-female lizard species that has to engage in hot lizard-on-lizard action to autofertilize."Every individual in this whip-tailed lizard population is female - genetically the same female. Every time they lay eggs, a clutch of new female clones is born. The lizards live in the deserts of Arizona and New Mexico, and must be perfectly adapted to their surroundings. As a result, they don’t want their good genes diluted by the involvement of males. The females have opted to hang on to their favourable genes and have driven the males to extinction.." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006v48r)
Lesbian lizard clone sex for purpose of procreation in the middle of a desert.
Mother nature has been using the internet again hasn't she? :|
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 07, 2013, 07:07:10 pm
Post by: Xantalos on January 07, 2013, 07:09:54 pm
You have to dominate the swordfish. Only then can you sautee' it.*slpas with a fish*I think it's fair to call that a herp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpetology) derp. :PRelevant. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2012/02/god-hates-checkered-whiptail-lizards/)And the all-female lizard species that has to engage in hot lizard-on-lizard action to autofertilize."Every individual in this whip-tailed lizard population is female - genetically the same female. Every time they lay eggs, a clutch of new female clones is born. The lizards live in the deserts of Arizona and New Mexico, and must be perfectly adapted to their surroundings. As a result, they don’t want their good genes diluted by the involvement of males. The females have opted to hang on to their favourable genes and have driven the males to extinction.." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006v48r)
Lesbian lizard clone sex for purpose of procreation in the middle of a desert.
Mother nature has been using the internet again hasn't she? :|
*more specifically, bluefin tuna*
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 07, 2013, 07:21:01 pm
Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0) (click to show/hide)COPYRIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 07, 2013, 07:23:00 pm
Oh, was that your thing?Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0) (click to show/hide)COPYRIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Sorry, thought I was being original.
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 07, 2013, 07:24:55 pm
"This video contains content from Channel 5 and WMG, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.Oh, was that your thing?Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0) (click to show/hide)COPYRIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Sorry, thought I was being original.
Because fuck you."
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 07, 2013, 07:27:00 pm
Oh, it wouldn't let you watch it?Oh, was that your thing?Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0) (click to show/hide)COPYRIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Sorry, thought I was being original.
"This video contains content from Channel 5 and WMG, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
Because fuck you."
Post by: Xantalos on January 07, 2013, 07:27:31 pm
Wha-"This video contains content from Channel 5 and WMG, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.Oh, was that your thing?Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0) (click to show/hide)COPYRIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Sorry, thought I was being original.
Because fuck you."
WHY BLOCK THE INTERNET? ESPECIALLY
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Post by: Loud Whispers on January 07, 2013, 07:28:29 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on January 07, 2013, 07:29:32 pm
Post by: Xantalos on January 07, 2013, 07:30:48 pm
It's a sad day for anyone when they outlive Rick Rolling... When one has to pay to Rick Roll himself.They're rickrolling us by making us pay to be rickrolled.
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 07, 2013, 07:32:57 pm
Post by: Xantalos on January 07, 2013, 07:35:08 pm
I'm worried. I don't think the copyright hounds are gonna give me up. Really this law system has just let me down. Instead of being useful, it just ran around and deserted me.It's making me cry, and when the revolution comes I don't think it'll say goodbye. It's just running around and suing me.
Post by: justinlee999 on January 08, 2013, 10:07:31 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 08, 2013, 11:58:29 am
Oh, poor me! (http://allthingsd.com/20130107/hi-im-from-the-government-and-im-here-to-help/)This is satire right?
"We thought the complaints were nonsense. After all, how bad could it be to get rid of errors and replace them with relevant search results? But it didn’t matter. The government had, effectively, dealt us a death blow."
"We didn't give a shit about the complaints. After all, we really like money. Money money money. What's wrong with replacing errors with glorious advertising? But they didn't accept our bribes. The government had, effectively, done something right."
Post by: miauw62 on January 08, 2013, 12:12:03 pm
"Instead of dealing with the prejudices against homosexual people, why don't we hetersexualize them?"
...
Post by: Helgoland on January 08, 2013, 02:12:26 pm
Come to think of it: Is sexuality genetic? There might be the possibility of breeding them straight.
Post by: RedKing on January 08, 2013, 02:18:59 pm
Come to think of it: Is sexuality genetic? There might be the possibility of breeding them straight.
....and then Helgoland was nothing but ashes and memory. :-[
(Just saying...that might not be well-received.)
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 08, 2013, 02:20:48 pm
That... might not be such a bad idea, if you think about it. I guess if I was homosexual and the technology was advanced enough to make the transition quick and without overly great side effects, I'd certainly consider it - even if only because there will always remain some amount of prejudice.Ha ha ha, Godwin.
Come to think of it: Is sexuality genetic? There might be the possibility of breeding them straight.
Post by: Helgoland on January 08, 2013, 02:34:50 pm
Post by: Descan on January 08, 2013, 03:02:23 pm
And I think if people could choose their sexuality, like take a pill and be whatever, most people would choose Straight (in order to have kids but not caring to have relations with the same gender, mebe) or Bi-sexual, for the wider choice. But I think some people, myself included, would choose to squash any opposite attraction. I don't see myself with a woman in a relationship, and I don't want my libido insisting I try it, yanno?
I'm a little out of it right now, so take everything I just said as "probably completely false" and "Descan, and only Descan's, interpretation."
Post by: RedKing on January 08, 2013, 03:03:09 pm
1. Homosexuality is a genetic issue (some possible truth to this, but certainly not a purely genetic mechanism).
2. It is an undesirable trait to be "weeded" or "bred" out.
It's akin to saying "There might be the possiblity of breeding out gingers." (which is far more genetically linked).
Post by: Descan on January 08, 2013, 03:06:04 pm
At least, that's what I remember of the times I've read up on it. :3
Post by: Flying Dice on January 08, 2013, 03:11:42 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on January 08, 2013, 03:18:43 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on January 08, 2013, 03:23:52 pm
I dont think I worded that very well, but I know what I mean, even if I can not explain it very well at all.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on January 08, 2013, 03:26:42 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on January 08, 2013, 03:30:02 pm
Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0) (click to show/hide)Every time I get rickrolled, I watch the whole video. Because I like it.
Post by: Knight of Fools on January 08, 2013, 03:32:25 pm
For me, it's a non-issue as long as no one's pushing their own morality or decisions on someone else.
Post by: RedKing on January 08, 2013, 03:35:17 pm
I suppose its a choice if you find multiple genders attractive.Nah, I totally understand what you mean.
I dont think I worded that very well, but I know what I mean, even if I can not explain it very well at all.
i'm generally oposed to eugenics, but it's kinda more reasonable with homosexuals. i'm not opposed to encouraging them to pair up with individuals of the gender they can't procreate withThis, on the other hand.... ???
Post by: Descan on January 08, 2013, 03:48:05 pm
Post by: anzki4 on January 08, 2013, 03:50:03 pm
Then of course there is the risk that by curing [negative trait], one would lose some [skill/gift] as well.
Post by: Descan on January 08, 2013, 03:54:53 pm
Plus, we should probably work on a better method of eugenics than simply "Prevent them from breeding."
Like, I dunno, retroviral curing of the mistakes in their genetic code? So while they may have the issue themselves (maybe? I mean, we might be able to fix it in the individual case by mechanical/non-genetic means?) their progeny wouldn't have those issues, and so wouldn't need the same mechanical/non-genetic aid that their parents did.
Does that make sense? >_>
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 08, 2013, 04:08:37 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 08, 2013, 05:00:02 pm
Then don't do it to the people who don't want it. Problem solved, for the most part.
I wouldn't want to watch some trait I identify with and am proud of be removed from the population, especially if I knew the reason people were consenting to it was because society hated them. It'd be like a scientific version of ex-gay therapy.
Then you get into the issue of people thinking you're terrible for passing this trait along to your children when you could get the treatment and they'd never have to worry about it. I'm sure it would be pretty easy to frame this as child abuse.
Post by: ExKirby on January 08, 2013, 05:10:19 pm
((Welcome to General Discussion, Kirby))
Nevertheless, my Stupid Thing I Heard People Say:
"Bus wanker!" ~A bunch of ten year old kids while I was on a bus on the way home. [/idon'twanttoliveonthisplanetanymore]
Post by: OREOSOME on January 08, 2013, 05:11:44 pm
...I thought this thread was going to be filled with stupid quotes, not genetic discussions ._.What... Just what?
((Welcome to General Discussion, Kirby))
Nevertheless, my Stupid Thing I Heard People Say:
"Bus wanker!" ~A bunch of ten year old kids while I was on a bus on the way home. [/idon'twanttoliveonthisplanetanymore]
Post by: Graknorke on January 08, 2013, 05:12:25 pm
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1V_qz9I1Nk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1V_qz9I1Nk)
Post by: Descan on January 08, 2013, 05:13:30 pm
There's worse, I once, as an eleven or twelve year old child, had bus-wanker shouted at me by a twenty-something year old manchild. Yeah.FTFY
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1V_qz9I1Nk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1V_qz9I1Nk)
Post by: ExKirby on January 08, 2013, 05:58:35 pm
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on January 08, 2013, 06:28:17 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 08, 2013, 09:51:05 pm
Thanks.
Post by: justinlee999 on January 09, 2013, 03:15:53 am
Great, I get to go to bed cringing because of you guys.They live to please.
Thanks.
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Post by: Sirus on January 15, 2013, 08:41:52 pm
"But teacher, ice is a liquid! It comes from water!"Not as bad as the guy who said that glaciers aren't made of ice...they're made of frozen water instead.
Post by: MaximumZero on January 16, 2013, 01:07:40 am
Post by: Sirus on January 16, 2013, 01:16:35 am
*facepalm*inorite?
Post by: Graknorke on January 16, 2013, 11:51:08 am
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So when the blood goes into the right atrium, is the heart just drawing in loose blood?
What even.
Post by: Hanslanda on January 16, 2013, 02:42:52 pm
Post by: Darvi on January 16, 2013, 02:43:32 pm
You were saying?
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 16, 2013, 02:57:49 pm
*flicks butterfly knife*Sir, is that a locking blade with a cutting edge and/or a point of over 3 inches length being used in a threatening manner?
You were saying?
Post by: Darvi on January 16, 2013, 03:00:18 pm
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Post by: Scootagoose on January 16, 2013, 04:26:46 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 16, 2013, 04:36:23 pm
I thought France was in Italy?Considering Europe's rather complicated history, this might have been true at one point.
Post by: Haspen on January 16, 2013, 04:37:52 pm
I thought France was in Italy?Considering Europe's rather complicated history, this might have been true atone pointseveral occassions.
ftfy :P
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 16, 2013, 04:40:19 pm
She was called Gaul back then, and she got into a thing withI thought France was in Italy?Considering Europe's rather complicated history, this might have been true at one point.
Post by: Hanslanda on January 16, 2013, 05:23:21 pm
She was called Gaul back then, and she got into a thing withI thought France was in Italy?Considering Europe's rather complicated history, this might have been true at one point.ItalyRome.
You know how it goes. Things were all hot and heavy at first, with Rome getting all up in Gaul's business, all hours of the day. Then they got along for a while, and Gaul found out Rome was cheating on her with Egypt and Seleucia, so Gaul... Well, she kind of overreacted.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on January 16, 2013, 06:47:14 pm
Sure enuff, mere seconds after the words left the teacher's mouth, generic teen girl #1 sitting next to me leans over to her friend generic teenage girl #2 and whispers "They were gay." and the two broke into giggles.
I mean no offense, there's nothing wrong with that. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat) What I find so stupid about this quote is that people can be so closeminded at times as to automatically assume that some good, close "bro"-level friends must obviously be gay for each other, derp derp. Values dissonance, I guess. It's like the whole Frodo and Sam thing again; Tolkien couldn't believe people thought Frodo and Sam were gay, Tolkien only saw them as extremely close friends and thought that everyone would interpret his writing as such.
Then again, generic teenage girl #1 was also heard to say "I don't need to worry about college or grades, I'm going to be a tattoo artist. I told my mom this, and she just stared at me like there's something wrong with me." It's unsurprising she'd think like that.
Post by: Sirus on January 16, 2013, 06:48:31 pm
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"I don't need to worry about college or grades, I'm going to be a tattoo artist. I told my mom this, and she just stared at me like there's something wrong with me."I'm actually speechless.
Post by: kaijyuu on January 16, 2013, 06:52:16 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on January 16, 2013, 07:39:51 pm
Can a male and a female not be... Just friends? Is that... Is that not okay? o.O
Post by: Sirus on January 16, 2013, 07:40:45 pm
Everyone who knows me and my lesbian friend think either: A. We're together. or B. We should be together.As a guy who spent his childhood as just-friends with a girl, I say that's perfectly fine!
Can a male and a female not be... Just friends? Is that... Is that not okay? o.O
Post by: Hanslanda on January 16, 2013, 07:42:44 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on January 16, 2013, 07:49:48 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 16, 2013, 07:50:57 pm
Frodo and Sam might not have been gay for each other, but Legolas and Gimli definitely were.I always thought Merry and Pippen might have had a thing for each other :P
Post by: MrWillsauce on January 16, 2013, 07:52:32 pm
Frodo and Sam might not have been gay for each other, but Legolas and Gimli definitely were.I always thought Merry and Pippen might have had a thing for each other :P
No they aren't, I'm stupid. One of them is descended from the Tooks, and thus is distantly related to Frodo, but I don't think they're related to each other.
Post by: Darvi on January 16, 2013, 07:54:01 pm
Also, it's not gay if one of them's an elf. Just saying.
Post by: misko27 on January 16, 2013, 08:17:19 pm
Everyone who knows me and my lesbian friend think either: A. We're together. or B. We should be together.Go see "When Harry met Sally" the whole point of the movie is that. The answer is "only if one of them is involved".
Can a male and a female not be... Just friends? Is that... Is that not okay? o.O
Yes.The scourge of elf-based logic continues. Tell me, how does being a elf make it not gay?
Also, it's not gay if one of them's an elf. Just saying.
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 16, 2013, 08:24:41 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 16, 2013, 08:25:24 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on January 16, 2013, 08:29:24 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 16, 2013, 08:39:07 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on January 16, 2013, 09:01:27 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 16, 2013, 09:52:47 pm
Everyone who knows me and my lesbian friend think either: A. We're together. or B. We should be together.
Can a male and a female not be... Just friends? Is that... Is that not okay? o.O
As a person who is currently just friends with a few females, I can indeed say that it is just fine.
Post by: Xantalos on January 16, 2013, 09:55:07 pm
Everyone who knows me and my lesbian friend think either: A. We're together. or B. We should be together.Evidently not...grumblenotlikeIdidn'ttrygrumble
Can a male and a female not be... Just friends? Is that... Is that not okay? o.O
Post by: Flying Dice on January 16, 2013, 09:59:24 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on January 16, 2013, 10:07:38 pm
I will of course agree you can be just friends despite any sort of gender setup between you and them. Just like you can be more than friends no matter how your genders are set up.
Post by: Sirus on January 16, 2013, 10:16:44 pm
Post by: misko27 on January 16, 2013, 10:20:58 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on January 16, 2013, 10:53:50 pm
Th Ladder Theory arguement says that all men are inherently attracted to women, the real question is whether it's to a degree that it will matter.
This is a good point. I'm very attracted to my LF, but there are extenuating circumstances, Re: I know I'm not a good person when I'm trying to be more than friends, and also, she's gay. So the fact that I like her is besides the point. Even if we were in a situation where she wanted to sleep with me, I'd say no, because I much prefer her being my friend. And not seeing how ugly I get when I'm in a relationship. D:
Post by: kaijyuu on January 16, 2013, 11:19:17 pm
Th Ladder Theory arguement says that all men are inherently attracted to women, the real question is whether it's to a degree that it will matter.Except gay men, asexual men, and men who aren't physically attracted to all women, sure!
Generalizations like that are bad. People are attracted to people.
Post by: Darvi on January 16, 2013, 11:21:17 pm
Generalizations like that are bad. People are attracted to people.Except for when they're not. Ts-ts-ts Kai.
Post by: PanH on January 16, 2013, 11:22:36 pm
Generalizations like that are bad. People are attracted to people.
Isn't that generalizing generalizations ?
Post by: kaijyuu on January 16, 2013, 11:22:50 pm
Post by: Xantalos on January 16, 2013, 11:23:13 pm
Quit pointing out the irony of me denouncing generalizations and then using one myself :POnly a Sith uses generalizatios.
Post by: Hanslanda on January 16, 2013, 11:25:36 pm
Quit pointing out the irony of me denouncing generalizations and then using one myself :POnly a Sith uses generalizatios.
Dumbest quote ever. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!"
...
You know you just said, 'Only' right Obi-wan? I just lost all the respect for your psychic ninja ass when you did that.
Post by: Xantalos on January 16, 2013, 11:26:25 pm
Not the rest of his psychic ninja body? :PQuit pointing out the irony of me denouncing generalizations and then using one myself :POnly a Sith uses generalizatios.
Dumbest quote ever. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!"
...
You know you just said, 'Only' right Obi-wan? I just lost all the respect for your psychic ninja ass when you did that.
Post by: Hanslanda on January 16, 2013, 11:27:06 pm
Not the rest of his psychic ninja body? :PQuit pointing out the irony of me denouncing generalizations and then using one myself :POnly a Sith uses generalizatios.
Dumbest quote ever. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!"
...
You know you just said, 'Only' right Obi-wan? I just lost all the respect for your psychic ninja ass when you did that.
Nope, just his ass. I still respect his psychic ninja face for it's manly jawline and facial hair.
Post by: Knight of Fools on January 16, 2013, 11:27:48 pm
Post by: Xantalos on January 16, 2013, 11:28:10 pm
Good. Obviously the dark side of the force comes out of theNot the rest of his psychic ninja body? :PQuit pointing out the irony of me denouncing generalizations and then using one myself :POnly a Sith uses generalizatios.
Dumbest quote ever. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!"
...
You know you just said, 'Only' right Obi-wan? I just lost all the respect for your psychic ninja ass when you did that.
Nope, just his ass. I still respect his psychic ninja face for it's manly jawline and facial hair.
NOPE I SAW WHERE I WAS GOING AND IT WAS NOT PRETTY
Post by: Hanslanda on January 16, 2013, 11:35:44 pm
Post by: Xantalos on January 16, 2013, 11:37:46 pm
Good news, Yoda! We know how to stop the Dark Side! Bad news is... Er. Bad news is we know how to stop the Dark Side.Sigged.
Post by: Bot Hack on January 16, 2013, 11:42:01 pm
Good news, Yoda! We know how to stop the Dark Side! Bad news is... Er. Bad news is we know how to stop the Dark Side.
Nietzsche applauds the paradox. But I think he would hate the parody.
Post by: Oliolli on January 17, 2013, 10:21:33 am
Th Ladder Theory arguement says that all men are inherently attracted to women, the real question is whether it's to a degree that it will matter.Except gay men, asexual men, and men who aren't physically attracted to all women, sure!
Well, even asexual men can be attracted to women, romantically, assuming they are hetero/bi/panromantic
Post by: Vorthon on January 17, 2013, 02:49:33 pm
Post by: Darvi on January 17, 2013, 03:01:18 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 17, 2013, 03:23:48 pm
I'm unsure of the qualifications necessary for such a profession, but I do believe you need some experience in art, so those grades of course matter.
Yeah, you need to go to college to be a tattoo artist.
Post by: Helgoland on January 17, 2013, 06:07:13 pm
I guess you don't exactly need to...I'm unsure of the qualifications necessary for such a profession, but I do believe you need some experience in art, so those grades of course matter.
Yeah, you need to go to college to be a tattoo artist.
"Stacey's Tattoo Studio! Now with 50% less HIV!"
Post by: MaximumZero on January 17, 2013, 07:04:07 pm
He has a point though.Generally speaking, people who are labelled "asexual" are also aromantic. Sort of like how 99% of atheists are actually agnostic atheists. They're just not that into you, or anyone else, for that matter.
Post by: MrWillsauce on January 17, 2013, 07:05:23 pm
no refunds.I guess you don't exactly need to...I'm unsure of the qualifications necessary for such a profession, but I do believe you need some experience in art, so those grades of course matter.
Yeah, you need to go to college to be a tattoo artist.
"Stacey's Tattoo Studio! Now with 50% less HIV!"
Post by: Oliolli on January 18, 2013, 08:44:42 am
Huh. I didn't know that. I always thought that "asexual" refers to the whole spectrum of romantic orientations, not preferring a single one over others even slightly.He has a point though.Generally speaking, people who are labelled "asexual" are also aromantic.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on January 18, 2013, 09:02:43 am
You're thinking of Pansexual. And it's not a lack of preference as much as a complete disregard of.Huh. I didn't know that. I always thought that "asexual" refers to the whole spectrum of romantic orientations, not preferring a single one over others even slightly.He has a point though.Generally speaking, people who are labelled "asexual" are also aromantic.
Post by: Scoops Novel on January 18, 2013, 09:12:59 am
He has a point though.Generally speaking, people who are labelled "asexual" are also aromantic. Sort of like how 99% of atheists are actually agnostic atheists. They're just not that into you, or anyone else, for that matter.
I'd argue that most are a. absolute atheists for a benevolent god, and b. flat earth atheists for anything else.
Post by: misko27 on January 18, 2013, 10:14:03 am
And the caveat. If a man does not want to have sex with you, or rather, would not have sex with you if you asked him and told him there would be no repercussions or expected relationship or ANYTHING, he therefore a) does not find you atracttive, or more accurately attractive compared with others, or b) is gay. Technically, the latter is a set of the former, since a gay men does not think a woman is sexually attractive to him compared with a male.Th Ladder Theory argument says that all men are inherently attracted to women, the real question is whether it's to a degree that it will matter.Except gay men, asexual men, and men who aren't physically attracted to all women, sure!
So yes.
He has a point though.Generally speaking, people who are labelled "asexual" are also aromantic. Sort of like how 99% of atheists are actually agnostic atheists. They're just not that into you, or anyone else, for that matter.
I'd argue that most are a. absolute atheists for a benevolent god, and b. flat earth atheists for anything else.
What's a flat-earth atheist?He has a point though.Generally speaking, people who are labelled "asexual" are also aromantic. Sort of like how 99% of atheists are actually agnostic atheists. They're just not that into you, or anyone else, for that matter.
I'd argue that most are a. absolute atheists for a benevolent god, and b. flat earth atheists for anything else.
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2013, 10:18:52 am
Read: a disbeliever who lives in a world where the things he doesn't believe in do actually exist.
Think Seargant Simony from Small Gods.
Post by: Oliolli on January 18, 2013, 01:31:46 pm
Look again. "romantic orientations" What I meant was that I consider asexual to mean a person who isn't interested in sex, but can be romantically attracted to whatever. As in: Asexual means heteroromantic, homoromantic, biromantic, aromantic, panromantic and any other -romantic asexuals equally, so long as they don't give a fuck about sex. Keep in mind, I am heteroromantic asexual. I think I know what asexual means.You're thinking of Pansexual. And it's not a lack of preference as much as a complete disregard of.Huh. I didn't know that. I always thought that "asexual" refers to the whole spectrum of romantic orientations, not preferring a single one over others even slightly.He has a point though.Generally speaking, people who are labelled "asexual" are also aromantic.
Post by: Neonivek on January 18, 2013, 01:37:36 pm
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FlatEarthAtheist (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FlatEarthAtheist)
Read: a disbeliever who lives in a world where the things he doesn't believe in do actually exist.
Think Seargant Simony from Small Gods.
Not always Darvi, though TV Tropes is sometimes confused on its own subjects. Hence why I always think linking TVtropes is lazy.
Post by: Darvi on January 18, 2013, 01:49:03 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 18, 2013, 01:49:57 pm
Breaking news: I am lazy.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Post by: Oliolli on January 18, 2013, 03:14:41 pm
Breaking news: I am lazy.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
You hear that? That's the sound of the worlds of ten thousand people being shattered.
Post by: dei on January 18, 2013, 04:27:30 pm
Quote from: Tom Selleck
I am the NRA.
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 18, 2013, 04:54:53 pm
And I am the Air Force.Quote from: Tom SelleckI am the NRA.
NOW BOW BEFORE ME MORTAL OR FIRE SHALL RAIN FROM THE SKIES!
Post by: Lich180 on January 18, 2013, 06:42:58 pm
I'm sorry, but I think Michigan being one of the few states entering a period of prosperity due to cost cutting measures is worth not having as much back for state taxes.
Post by: dei on January 18, 2013, 07:23:00 pm
Come at me bro, I'm behind seven proxies.And I am the Air Force.Quote from: Tom SelleckI am the NRA.
NOW BOW BEFORE ME MORTAL OR FIRE SHALL RAIN FROM THE SKIES!
Post by: MaximumZero on January 19, 2013, 01:06:58 am
The tax guys at HR block are whining because the governor of Michigan took out several tax breaks we had last year.We are? Where!? Over here in Battle Creek, we're still death-spiralling, what with all the abandoned stores and further closing businesses (and factories.)
I'm sorry, but I think Michigan being one of the few states entering a period of prosperity due to cost cutting measures is worth not having as much back for state taxes.
Post by: SealyStar on January 19, 2013, 08:44:04 am
The tax guys at HR block are whining because the governor of Michigan took out several tax breaks we had last year.We are? Where!? Over here in Battle Creek, we're still death-spiralling, what with all the abandoned stores and further closing businesses (and factories.)
I'm sorry, but I think Michigan being one of the few states entering a period of prosperity due to cost cutting measures is worth not having as much back for state taxes.
Grand Rapids is also still shit, although I will say it has gotten better. I attribute none of this to Snyder, it must be said.
Post by: Valid_Dark on January 20, 2013, 05:13:46 am
like programming, you don't have to go to school to be a programmer, you just have to be good at programming,
but going to school for it def. helps both of those jobs.
and I tried having a female friend once, it turned out though that she was trying to sex me, we were friends for like 2 years and I considered her one of my best friends, then she tried to make a move on me and I told her I didn't want to date her because then I might lose her as a friend (if something happened like we broke up, etc.)
turns out thats not what she wanted to hear, and now we don't talk or hang out anymore,
looking back I should have just dated her, because she was super awesome, and now she's going out with some douche.
Post by: Neonivek on January 20, 2013, 05:17:31 am
You don't need to go to school to be a tattoo artist, you just have to be good at giving tattoos,
like programming, you don't have to go to school to be a programmer, you just have to be good at programming,
but going to school for it def. helps both of those jobs.
You know... I read this over and over again and I cannot tell if this is "The stupidest thing" or if it is just the lead in to the stupidest thing.
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looking back I should have just dated her, because she was super awesome, and now she's going out with some douche
She wanted a physical relationship and you were a bit too much in the friend zone for that.
Post by: Valid_Dark on January 20, 2013, 05:20:03 am
You don't need to go to school to be a tattoo artist, you just have to be good at giving tattoos,
like programming, you don't have to go to school to be a programmer, you just have to be good at programming,
but going to school for it def. helps both of those jobs.
You know... I read this over and over again and I cannot tell if this is "The stupidest thing" or if it is just the lead in to the stupidest thing.
over 30% of profession programmers never went to school for it.
and I'm sure the percentage for professional tattoo artists is even higher.
Post by: Immortal on January 20, 2013, 10:17:10 am
I thought it was entirely valid as my friend face-palmed. We all have slow moments.
Last year in first year of uni, some friends and I went to a huge kegger. We brought a kid from our floor who hid in his room 24/7 to try to help him make friends. It turned out horrible. We were talking to a bunch of people. He turns around and says, "Hey guys, wanna hear a quote?" Everyone listened as he made this super awkward pause because he didn't realize you don't need permission or perfect attention at a party.
Then he says "I once heard Gandhi say 'Bitches ain't nothing but tricks and hoes, and you'll have haters who hate and heaters who heat'".
That instantly killed conversation and everyone left our group. The guy who said the quote was puzzled as my friends and I were close to crying from laughter at the ridiculous stupidity.
Post by: Scoops Novel on January 20, 2013, 12:25:33 pm
Post by: LibidoMax on January 29, 2013, 10:02:39 pm
I once said "The last thing I ever want to do is die".My sides :P
I thought it was entirely valid as my friend face-palmed. We all have slow moments.
Last year in first year of uni, some friends and I went to a huge kegger. We brought a kid from our floor who hid in his room 24/7 to try to help him make friends. It turned out horrible. We were talking to a bunch of people. He turns around and says, "Hey guys, wanna hear a quote?" Everyone listened as he made this super awkward pause because he didn't realize you don't need permission or perfect attention at a party.
Then he says "I once heard Gandhi say 'Bitches ain't nothing but tricks and hoes, and you'll have haters who hate and heaters who heat'".
That instantly killed conversation and everyone left our group. The guy who said the quote was puzzled as my friends and I were close to crying from laughter at the ridiculous stupidity.
Post by: Sirus on January 31, 2013, 12:20:24 am
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I miss Robert E Lee
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Lee surrendered...I didn't! *insert image of a soldier carrying a Confederate flag here*
Post by: Helgoland on February 01, 2013, 04:53:21 am
(bumperstickers seen on the back of a truck in front of me on my way home)I want a bumper sticker "We did it before, we can do it again."QuoteI miss Robert E LeeQuoteLee surrendered...I didn't! *insert image of a soldier carrying a Confederate flag here*
Either with a reference to the Union during the Civil War or to the Franco-Prussian War of 1871 :P
Post by: Karnewarrior on February 01, 2013, 07:56:19 pm
I posit a blank white T-shirt with a union flag on the back.(bumperstickers seen on the back of a truck in front of me on my way home)I want a bumper sticker "We did it before, we can do it again."QuoteI miss Robert E LeeQuoteLee surrendered...I didn't! *insert image of a soldier carrying a Confederate flag here*
Either with a reference to the Union during the Civil War or to the Franco-Prussian War of 1871 :P
Underneath, in nice, tiny, trim letters it says: "We Won."
Post by: Flying Dice on February 01, 2013, 09:59:35 pm
I posit a blank white T-shirt with a union flag on the back.(bumperstickers seen on the back of a truck in front of me on my way home)I want a bumper sticker "We did it before, we can do it again."QuoteI miss Robert E LeeQuoteLee surrendered...I didn't! *insert image of a soldier carrying a Confederate flag here*
Either with a reference to the Union during the Civil War or to the Franco-Prussian War of 1871 :P
Underneath, in nice, tiny, trim letters it says: "We Won."
I would pay for that. I'd need to pay cash, though, because I would probably turn up in a day or two, full of buckshot.
Post by: Jervill on February 01, 2013, 10:47:14 pm
I know, I know. I see Confederate flags here in Minnesota, quite a long ways from any of the slave states and they become more common the further south (and east) a person goes.
Post by: Sirus on February 01, 2013, 10:50:33 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 01, 2013, 10:57:27 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 02, 2013, 12:54:55 am
Haha, Kentucky. A union state. Our tea party was the one that produced those "Yup, I'm a racist!" shirts.This, so much.
For what it's worth, we were actually one of the border states. That is to say, a slave state that didn't secede prior to April 1861. IIRC, both Maryland and Kentucky never seceded at all. Doesn't mean there isn't a full helping of The South Will Rise Again, though, not by a long shot.
Post by: kerlc on February 02, 2013, 01:45:19 pm
- a friend of mine who clearly needs the value of word order explained to him.
Post by: Darvi on February 02, 2013, 01:46:06 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 02, 2013, 01:54:57 pm
Post by: kerlc on February 03, 2013, 04:57:50 am
You sure? He could have been talking about fetishes.now that you mention it, he does have an incredibly bizzare obsession with collecting Xenomorph figurines and putting them in strange poses all around his room...
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 03, 2013, 04:55:35 pm
I for one would rather enjoy the honour of being able to witness the heat death of the universe along with everything in between.I once said "The last thing I ever want to do is die".I want to live longer than I probably will (i.e. 110 at best, in all likelihood) and age more slowly, but I still want to die, in the end. Living forever would really begin to suck.
I thought it was entirely valid as my friend face-palmed. We all have slow moments.
"Back in my days..."
Post by: MaximumZero on February 04, 2013, 12:36:34 pm
Also, I could facepunch whole generations of people! How freakin' cool would that be?
Post by: Sirus on February 04, 2013, 12:45:34 pm
Post by: Graknorke on February 04, 2013, 01:02:11 pm
That would, in my eyes, be the ultimate achievement. Being able to collect and compile a database of all information in the universe ever.
Post by: PanH on February 04, 2013, 01:06:44 pm
I'd be fine with just the knowledge.Indeed, being an immortal being of wisdom.
That would, in my eyes, be the ultimate achievement. Being able to collect and compile a database of all information in the universe ever.
Post by: miauw62 on February 04, 2013, 01:12:03 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 04, 2013, 01:19:41 pm
Post by: i2amroy on February 04, 2013, 01:20:48 pm
If we had even entropy then there wouldn't be a heat death of the universe, since we could invert it backwards with !!SCIENCE!!.HRRMPH! back in my day, we had uneven entropy!I for one would rather enjoy the honour of being able to witness the heat death of the universe along with everything in between.I once said "The last thing I ever want to do is die".I want to live longer than I probably will (i.e. 110 at best, in all likelihood) and age more slowly, but I still want to die, in the end. Living forever would really begin to suck.
I thought it was entirely valid as my friend face-palmed. We all have slow moments.
"Back in my days..."
And personally I don't see what would be wrong with living forever (assuming that you were able to restore yourself to a good physical and mental state of health. I mean I don't really see what would suck about it, especially if you were living in an advanced enough world where anyone could live forever. Nobody you know is dying either, there are always new things to do so boredom isn't necessarily going to be a problem, and you are in a good state of body/mind, so I don't see why it would be so bad.
Post by: Graknorke on February 04, 2013, 01:36:33 pm
And time passing isn't really a problem if you live forever. And since you can continue gathering information indefinitely insanity was inevitable from the start. Not like it's a problem. Sanity is not necessary.
Post by: kerlc on February 04, 2013, 01:52:01 pm
... Wait, that actually sounds pretty damned sweet.
Post by: RedKing on February 04, 2013, 01:58:27 pm
I would be okay with living until the heat death of the universe. That would give me a lot of time to stockpile power, money, and scientific knowledge.But you could prevent the heat death of the universe by punching it to keep it warm!
Also, I could facepunch whole generations of people! How freakin' cool would that be?
Post by: Graknorke on February 04, 2013, 02:03:56 pm
Then you could try and relocate where Earth will be and utilise your well-learned patience to try and wait until your own time comes around; but eventually realise that this is not your Earth. No matter how identical, there is no place for you here.
Post by: Alnos on February 04, 2013, 02:09:13 pm
Teenagers, I swear.
Post by: Graknorke on February 04, 2013, 02:10:35 pm
"Why would you want to use solar enegry, won't the sun run out?"I resent that.
Teenagers, I swear.
Post by: MonkeyHead on February 04, 2013, 02:12:43 pm
"Why would you want to use solar enegry, won't the sun run out?"I resent that.
Teenagers, I swear.
Crossthread YOLO! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59069.msg4004288#msg4004288)
Post by: miauw62 on February 04, 2013, 02:13:00 pm
"Why would you want to use solar enegry, won't the sun run out?"The sun runs out eventually, tough :P
Teenagers, I swear.
Post by: Alnos on February 04, 2013, 02:13:37 pm
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Post by: Descan on February 04, 2013, 02:29:42 pm
Being immortal would be incredible, assuming it isn't one of those shitty sorts of immortality. Boring at times, sure, but you've got all the time there is to think of new things to do. And depending on the specific mechanics of it, you'd either start losing old memories or become unable to properly store new ones after a few thousand years. If you don't actually remember everything you've done, it's a lot less boring. I'd take a shot at immortality, not without question, no, (genre savvy, eh?), but fairly eagerly.If it was fairly voluntary (Say, I put my memories of an event/activity in a computer. Then it's fresh again! And when I'm done, I can put my memories back!) I'd be okay with that. :3
The main problem of living forever: What will happen when the Universe ends? The end of the universe shall also mark the end of time and space. The only thing that shall remain is you, with your incredible amounts of knowledge. Soon, you shall start pondering, solving questions that no man's solved before. After a while (Okay, there's no time, but shut up) you shall solve every question there is, and you shall grow bored. Incredibly bored. So, using your incredible willpower, you shall create Matter, and Matter shall expand into another Universe, one that you'll be able to bend at your own whims.That assumes you already broke the energy problem (Heat death = no usable energy) in order to run your brain.
... Wait, that actually sounds pretty damned sweet.
If so, then what's there to just snapping your fingers in the immediate aftermath and rebuilding the universe immediately? Why waste non-time? :3
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 04, 2013, 02:32:39 pm
And they are developing a computer that can work after the heat death of the galaxy. Uses no energy, but instead the 3D/4D structure of crystals. Look up ” time crystals”
Post by: Owlbread on February 04, 2013, 02:40:19 pm
” time crystals”
(http://images.wikia.com/timesplitters/images/1/1e/Man_pic.jpg)
Post by: RedKing on February 04, 2013, 03:21:44 pm
I would rather live until the end of the galaxy than until the end of the universe.And thus, denizens of the nether void beyond the end of time and space could still get their porn.
And they are developing a computer that can work after the heat death of the galaxy. Uses no energy, but instead the 3D/4D structure of crystals. Look up ” time crystals”
Post by: PanH on February 04, 2013, 03:34:43 pm
The main problem of living forever: What will happen when the Universe ends? The end of the universe shall also mark the end of time and space. The only thing that shall remain is you, with your incredible amounts of knowledge. Soon, you shall start pondering, solving questions that no man's solved before. After a while (Okay, there's no time, but shut up) you shall solve every question there is, and you shall grow bored. Incredibly bored. So, using your incredible willpower, you shall create Matter, and Matter shall expand into another Universe, one that you'll be able to bend at your own whims.Did you just prove the existence of at least one God ? Like immortal Russian dolls beings matter creating.
... Wait, that actually sounds pretty damned sweet.
Let's see... problems with living forever...I really pity their guinea pig.
Memory, it is suspected by some scientists that you'd eventually reach a point where years would pass by like minutes, being frozen for trillions of years (heat death), being torn apart or crushed (big crunch/big rip), being shot, experimented upon, tortured etc. innumerable times over the course of your never-ending lifespan, you'd eventually go insane...
Post by: Owlbread on February 04, 2013, 03:35:58 pm
To be on topic however, I would say that one of the most amazingly stupid things I have ever heard someone say is "I thought Africa was a country". That may not sound so bad but I was in the last stages of high school at the time and the girl was about to head to University.
Post by: RedKing on February 04, 2013, 03:45:52 pm
I wouldn't mind living forever as long as I could choose to die whenever I wanted to. If everyone I love and care about dies, that's ok. I'll get over it. A lot of us are going to be doing that in the future anyway as our life expectancy increases.Was that girl's name Sarah Palin?
To be on topic however, I would say that one of the most amazingly stupid things I have ever heard someone say is "I thought Africa was a country". That may not sound so bad but I was in the last stages of high school at the time and the girl was about to head to University.
Post by: Owlbread on February 04, 2013, 03:47:51 pm
Was that girl's name Sarah Palin?
It may as well have been, I can't remember her name though.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on February 04, 2013, 03:56:08 pm
Post by: Owlbread on February 04, 2013, 03:57:43 pm
I have to admit, I used to think of Africa as a country. Up until I was like, 13 :-[
That's fine, this girl was at least 17.
Post by: kerlc on February 04, 2013, 04:23:50 pm
Then, i got my hands on a children encyclopedia.
Post by: Scoops Novel on February 04, 2013, 05:12:25 pm
"Why would you want to use solar enegry, won't the sun run out?"I resent that.
Teenagers, I swear.
I don't. At 17.
Post by: Sheb on February 04, 2013, 05:38:39 pm
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Post by: Valid_Dark on February 04, 2013, 06:25:51 pm
” time crystals”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-time_crystal
But here is a stupid thing I've heard today.
"Valve is an indie game company, just a really big one"
Post by: Sirus on February 04, 2013, 06:31:55 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-time_crystalI think I've got a concept for a sci-fi story...
But here is a stupid thing I've heard today.
"Valve is an indie game company, just a really big one"
Post by: Graknorke on February 04, 2013, 06:44:12 pm
They publish on Steam, which is their own platform. They have no publisher.
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 04, 2013, 06:49:12 pm
Valve is an indie company.
They publish on Steam, which is their own platform. They have no publisher.
Valve had had plenty of publishers before steam existed. And even after steam existed they still use several publishers.
Half life was first published by sierra, half life 2 was published by EA etc.
Post by: Graknorke on February 04, 2013, 06:57:32 pm
Though I didn't know that they still used third party publishers.
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 04, 2013, 07:00:03 pm
same with CS:GO was released on 360 and PS3
Post by: Karnewarrior on February 04, 2013, 07:13:11 pm
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Post by: fqllve on February 04, 2013, 08:01:41 pm
Post by: SealyStar on February 04, 2013, 09:41:59 pm
It's hard to call Steam an indie distribution platform anyway, since it distributes so many games by large publishers and it's by far the dominant software in its market.
Steam has basically given Valve a monopoly on PC gaming. I don't see how that's "indie" in any sense.
I'm a little wary of Mojang's growth as a business after Minecraft's success (and cynical about them still calling themselves "indie"), but I am proud that they have refused to put their stuff on Steam, at least so far. I kind of hope they'll inspire new indie developers to stay truly independent, so that Steam will be put back in its place.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 04, 2013, 09:47:45 pm
Granted, I'm never comfortable with a near-monopoly, but Steam has been remarkably not shit, more so than I would have expected. Especially now that there are multiple up-and-coming competitors. I think that Origin has shown us all that Steam could be much, much worse, whatever problems it currently has.
On an unrelated note, my main issue with it (only being able to go into offline mode while still connected to the internet) has apparently been changed/fixed; it now automatically starts in offline mode when I'm not connected.
Post by: SealyStar on February 04, 2013, 10:30:42 pm
I feel like all Steam does for "indie" games is replace the old-school publisher with a promoter/hoster than serves the exact same role from a business perspective. In my - obviously controversial - opinion, indie devs who sell their stuff via Steam aren't really independent anymore.
Post by: Sirus on February 04, 2013, 10:32:28 pm
Portal? Portal 2?
Post by: Hanslanda on February 04, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
What I am saying is that there is good and bad of both, and that it confuses me that there is this hipster-ish urge to use 'Indie' to mean something other than 'independantly produced game'. Or am I reading too much into this whole argument?
Post by: Max White on February 04, 2013, 10:38:26 pm
I feel like all Steam does for "indie" games is replace the old-school publisher with a promoter/hoster than serves the exact same role from a business perspective. In my - obviously controversial - opinion, indie devs who sell their stuff via Steam aren't really independent anymore.Except steam doesn't fill the same role that older style distribution publishers did.
A lot of publishers are picky about what they will accept because they don't want to take a gamble and loose. So, they either only accept a certain range of games that follow a proven formula, or influence the construction process so that more fringe games better fit these formulas.
Steam just lets people go for it, do what ever they like, and then has the community vote for what they want.
The heart of indie gaming is innovation, and the sole is over emotional retro style games (Looking at you Cave Story!) both things that publishers are shy of, but Steam don't give a damn.
Post by: Aerie on February 04, 2013, 10:40:52 pm
I get somewhat confused when people use 'Indie' like it always means good. There are a lot of indie games out there that are awesome. But there are some that are... You know. Not good.
Indie games are cool because they're not made by big, evil megacorporations that only care about how many dollars they can squeeze out of your bank account.
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Post by: Hanslanda on February 04, 2013, 10:43:27 pm
I get somewhat confused when people use 'Indie' like it always means good. There are a lot of indie games out there that are awesome. But there are some that are... You know. Not good.
Indie games are cool because they're not made by big, evil megacorporations that only care about how many dollars they can squeeze out of your bank account.
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I'm not wearing a scarf and my glasses have both normal frames AND are prescription. Could you run that by this plebian one more time, because I've definitely never heard of that band ever before.
Post by: Max White on February 04, 2013, 10:45:56 pm
Any other time, fuck yea!
Post by: Criptfeind on February 04, 2013, 10:46:59 pm
I feel like all Steam does for "indie" games is replace the old-school publisher with a promoter/hoster than serves the exact same role from a business perspective.
I really don't understand what you mean here. Since Valve does not act as publishers at all for games on steam. Like. At all. You do realize that publishers actually do things other then just taking a percentage of the sales correct? That's not the only thing they do.
Post by: Aerie on February 04, 2013, 10:47:17 pm
I would wear a scarf, except that it is the southern hemisphere here and the temperature is approaching levels where the atmosphere starts to ionize.
Any other time, fuck yea!
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Post by: penguinofhonor on February 04, 2013, 10:48:48 pm
Post by: SealyStar on February 04, 2013, 10:49:13 pm
What, no love for Left 4 Dead or the sequel?
Portal? Portal 2?
Portal was basically a two-hour demo. Portal 2 I forgot, but honestly it was disappointingly short for its price.
Left 4 Dead (and its sequels) is my selection for "most overrated Valve game", beating even TF2. I understand everyone has a different opinion, but that is mine.
Post by: Max White on February 04, 2013, 10:50:07 pm
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Post by: Scelly9 on February 04, 2013, 10:50:13 pm
What do you mean?What, no love for Left 4 Dead or the sequel?
Portal? Portal 2?
Portal was basically a two-hour demo.
Post by: Sirus on February 04, 2013, 10:52:21 pm
He means that Portal was pretty short and in many ways a sort of tech demo. Then they took everything they learned and made Portal 2 with it.What do you mean?What, no love for Left 4 Dead or the sequel?
Portal? Portal 2?
Portal was basically a two-hour demo.
I think that's what he meant.
Post by: Aerie on February 04, 2013, 10:57:21 pm
Indie can often be more unique, though. Having a lower budget means that you can experiment more because the loss won't be as big if it's unpopular.
Uniqueness and quality have no causal relationship. Look at Black Ops 2: the exact same gameplay as the eight or nine games before it (with a couple innovations) but it's still a good game.
Post by: Scelly9 on February 04, 2013, 11:02:59 pm
That's VERY debatable.Indie can often be more unique, though. Having a lower budget means that you can experiment more because the loss won't be as big if it's unpopular.
Uniqueness and quality have no causal relationship. Look at Black Ops 2: the exact same gameplay as the eight or nine games before it (with a couple innovations) but it's still a good game.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 04, 2013, 11:04:15 pm
I have not played any of those shooter games for years, because back when I was a kid I played one and got pretty much all that I want from them forever. But that does not mean that technically speaking it is a good game, and even if you disagree with some of the implementation, that is more a personal preference thing.
Post by: Tellemurius on February 04, 2013, 11:05:23 pm
pretty much thats the argument, same damn game but its a good game. though pretty much everyone i know is either playing halo4 or zombies in BLOPS2Indie can often be more unique, though. Having a lower budget means that you can experiment more because the loss won't be as big if it's unpopular.
Uniqueness and quality have no causal relationship. Look at Black Ops 2: the exact same gameplay as the eight or nine games before it (with a couple innovations) but it's still a good game.
That's VERY debatable.you're damn right it is, no one is going to fucking win so you might as well start complaining about the new games.
Post by: Aerie on February 04, 2013, 11:10:06 pm
That's VERY debatable.
It's not really debatable. Black Ops II is, by expert and public review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_II#Reception), a good game.
My point is that uniqueness and quality have no causal relationship. Just because something is unique doesn't mean it's good, and just because something isn't unique doesn't mean it's bad.
Post by: PanH on February 04, 2013, 11:16:14 pm
It's not really debatable. Black Ops II is, by expert and public review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_II#Reception), a good game.
Ahaha. Expert on gaming journalism. There's so many debatables things about that.
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 04, 2013, 11:21:20 pm
Indie can often be more unique, though. Having a lower budget means that you can experiment more because the loss won't be as big if it's unpopular.
Uniqueness and quality have no causal relationship. Look at Black Ops 2: the exact same gameplay as the eight or nine games before it (with a couple innovations) but it's still a good game.
I don't think it does either. I was just saying that's probably a big reason people equate indie to quality, because people perceive uniqueness as quality.
Post by: Sirus on February 04, 2013, 11:22:50 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 05, 2013, 12:28:43 am
That's VERY debatable.
It's not really debatable. Black Ops II is, by expert and public review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_II#Reception), a good game.
My point is that uniqueness and quality have no causal relationship. Just because something is unique doesn't mean it's good, and just because something isn't unique doesn't mean it's bad.
I agree with your point in that it's an error to conflate uniqueness and objective quality, but I disagree with BO2 being classed as a good game. "Good" is either a subjective value judgement based on personal tastes or an objective quality judgement based on predefined characteristics identified as good. I would challenge the latter judgement on the grounds that there were serious issues with networking, particularly in terms of the party system and the matchmaking system. I bought it and enjoyed it, up until the point where I was spending two hours in chat with my friends trying to get our party into a single match without being arbitrarily dissolved. I sold the game when it got to the point where the MM system refused to put me into matches at all. Those aren't value judgements, they have nothing to do with originality or lack thereof. They are serious technical issues. It's been long enough that I've forgotten most of the complaints about the actual game mechanics, and frankly I'd like to keep it that way.
Just my $0.02.
Post by: TCM on February 05, 2013, 01:41:23 am
That's VERY debatable.
It's not really debatable. Black Ops II is, by expert and public review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_II#Reception), a good game.
Public opinion? Might want to check Metacritic before you say things like that :X Or the anti-COD march that you can find in every gaming corner of the Internet. Not to say that the game is bad, since the "OMFG BLACKS OPS II BEST GAME EVAR 10/10" and "BLACK OPS SUCKS IT'S WORSE THAN CANCER" are both equally ignorant viewpoints, but it does prove that the quality of the game is not considered 'Good', at least if you go by the median of mass opinion.
With my experience in Black Ops 2, did I think it was good? No. Did I think it was seriously flawed? Yes. Does that mean that people can't like it? Of course not. Many of the games I like are flawed, so it's just a matter of taste. Hell, sometimes I'll get in the mood to pop in MW for a few matches, so if you think it's good, great! I just don't think it's a good idea to use Wikipedia to determine objective conclusions.
Post by: kaijyuu on February 05, 2013, 01:49:12 am
Discussing quality generally means we're just comparing experiences, not "debating" in any meaningful sense. (exception: analyzing works, which require everyone to submit to the same axiomatic definitions of "quality," and that gets progressively more difficult to agree upon the further into detail you go. Easy to agree upon when it comes to technical stuff like FD was talking about earlier; harder to agree upon when it comes to specific gameplay mechanics and "fun")
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 05, 2013, 03:07:41 am
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Post by: Reelya on February 05, 2013, 07:55:29 am
Post by: Oliolli on February 05, 2013, 08:35:46 am
As for Call of Duty, if people consider it good then they consider it good. Nothing complicated about that. If I think that CoD isn't my type of game, it isn't my type of game, and I'll just stick to Red Orchestra.
Penguinofhonor has a point, though.
Post by: Reelya on February 05, 2013, 08:42:20 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 05, 2013, 09:47:32 am
I'll pop in and reiterate what a few other people have said: "Good" is a subjective qualifier, and appealing to popularity is fallacious. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum) How much you liked it, how much some random professional reviewer liked it, how high a ranking it has, all that shit is irrelevant to how much I liked it.
I can link to wikipedia as well. Oh wait, did I link to the very same page as you? oops. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum#Exceptions)
Come off it. It's not a fallacy to point to the thousands of people being entertained by something when you make the argument that it is good at it's purpose of entertaining people.
Post by: Aerie on February 05, 2013, 09:58:30 am
I'll pop in and reiterate what a few other people have said: "Good" is a subjective qualifier, and appealing to popularity is fallacious. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum) How much you liked it, how much some random professional reviewer liked it, how high a ranking it has, all that shit is irrelevant to how much I liked it.
Come off it. It's not a fallacy to point to the thousands of people being entertained by something when you make the argument that it is good at it's purpose of entertaining people.
Not only this, but remember that invalidating an argument because it contains a fallacy is, in itself, a fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy).
While it's true that your personal opinion of a game may vary, the fact that the game has received positive reviews is a prime indicator of its quality (else we wouldn't bother making or looking at reviews in the first place.) While there certainly are outliers on either end (good games with bad reviews, and bad games with good reviews), there is an established correlation between popularity and quality and it holds true in the overwhelming majority of cases.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 05, 2013, 10:06:16 am
Not only this, but remember that invalidating an argument because it contains a fallacy is, in itself, a fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy).
No, I don't think Kai was making any sort of fallacy here, just wrong. Your point is not big and complex. You do not have multiple arguments. Your point is that since people like it, it is good. Which I agree with, but if it can be pointed out that people don't like it, or that people liking it does not matter, your whole argument crumbles.
As pointed out in your link, that does not mean that you are wrong, but in the place of your arguments many people on this thread have pointed out issues with it, all of which I disagree that it makes the game bad, but only because the game is pretty clearly good.
Without prior knowledge and the information available to me, as in, if I was reading this thread in a vacuum, if your argument was negated I would be forced to assume BO2 is a bad game.
Post by: Aerie on February 05, 2013, 10:11:44 am
No, I don't think Kai was making any sort of fallacy here, just wrong.I was talking about Kai's point, actually, agreeing with you.
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Your point is not big and complex. You do not have multiple arguments. Your point is that since people like it, it is good. Which I agree with, but if it can be pointed out that people don't like it, or that people liking it does not matter, your whole argument crumbles.The purpose of a game is to entertain. A good game entertains well. If more people are entertained than not entertained, then the game is doing its job of entertaining, and is thus, by definition, a good game.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 05, 2013, 10:21:13 am
Post by: kerlc on February 05, 2013, 10:37:36 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 05, 2013, 11:46:35 am
Post by: miauw62 on February 05, 2013, 12:27:22 pm
Oh, and on CoD Bo2, if you look at it without any context, just the game itself, it's a pretty good game in my eyes. The campaign is short and sucks, but it's basically a multiplayer game anyway. When you add in the context of the franchise tough, you see that it's just whatever the publisher is milking the community.
Post by: kerlc on February 05, 2013, 03:32:57 pm
What i will say is that it is fun, and that it is incredibly well designed. While yes, the core gameplay is stale (point gun at human, shoot), it is also like a great action film. Dumb and pointless? Perhaps. Stale and done many times in a more intelligent manner? Definetly. Still fun? Hell yes.
While fun is a relative term, the definition of which varies from one person to another, if what you're looking for is an incredibly well orchestrated rollercoaster of adrenaline, and only adrenaline, i'd recommend CoD to you. If that's not your particular cup of tea, then stay away from it.
But random people on Multiplayer will always (or mostly) be dicks, because that's just human nature.
Post by: Darvi on February 05, 2013, 03:42:45 pm
Post by: kerlc on February 05, 2013, 03:45:05 pm
My friend pointed a pencil at me and asked: "Is this yours?", to which I replied: "No, it's a pencil."
Post by: Darvi on February 05, 2013, 03:47:00 pm
Unless it was yours, in which case it still wasn't stupid.
Post by: kerlc on February 05, 2013, 03:52:23 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 05, 2013, 03:59:50 pm
In order to stop this rather silly CoD discussion, i shall quote a stupid thing i've done earlier todayMy friend pointed a pencil at me and asked: "Is this yours?", to which I replied: "No, it's a pencil."
I don't get it.
But just a slight addon to a discussion I missed out on, different FPSs can appeal to different people. I love the kind with different classes that actually feel like different gameplay, like TF2 and Chivalry: Medieval Warfare (if only because I love playing archer). I don't care for the entirely gray, just-a-few-bullets-kill-you-realism. I tend to just ignore anybody who says anything offensive. Back to the pencil discussion!
Post by: kerlc on February 05, 2013, 04:13:25 pm
there is only the pencil.In order to stop this rather silly CoD discussion, i shall quote a stupid thing i've done earlier todayMy friend pointed a pencil at me and asked: "Is this yours?", to which I replied: "No, it's a pencil."
I don't get it.
Back to the pencil discussion!
Post by: kaijyuu on February 05, 2013, 04:21:35 pm
While it's true that your personal opinion of a game may vary, the fact that the game has received positive reviews is a prime indicator of its quality (else we wouldn't bother making or looking at reviews in the first place.) While there certainly are outliers on either end (good games with bad reviews, and bad games with good reviews), there is an established correlation between popularity and quality and it holds true in the overwhelming majority of cases.Perhaps we're using different definitions of "quality" here. Your definition seems to be stating it's quality can be determined by the total number of people it entertains; Mine is specific to me, as I don't believe my opinion as to whether it was "good" or not carries any weight to anyone else. My opinion isn't any better (or worse) than theirs.
So I could claim the game is "good" and you claim it "bad" and neither would be wrong. That is what subjective means, after all.
As for my pointing out a fallacy being a fallacy, Neo already explained that: it's only a fallacy when my pointing out a fallacy is used to discredit arguments that aren't supported by the original fallacy, which I don't believe I was doing.
As for exceptions to appealing to popularity, if we assume whether something is "good" or not is determined by popularity, of course using popularity isn't a fallacy. However, I don't believe that is what "good" is determined by, and nor do most art critics (whether you think such people are valid authorities on the subject is up to you, though). My definition is more personal; if I liked it, it was "good." Other people might have more objective qualifiers like "sophistication" but I don't think you have to limit yourself to their definitions either.
Post by: Sirus on February 05, 2013, 04:27:33 pm
People, I don't know about you, but derailing a thread then having an argument about that derail isn't good for having a thread stay open, and I want this thread to stay open.A million times this.
Post by: Fenrir on February 05, 2013, 04:30:44 pm
Post by: kerlc on February 05, 2013, 04:31:25 pm
oh, for fuck's sake.While it's true that your personal opinion of a game may vary, the fact that the game has received positive reviews is a prime indicator of its quality (else we wouldn't bother making or looking at reviews in the first place.) While there certainly are outliers on either end (good games with bad reviews, and bad games with good reviews), there is an established correlation between popularity and quality and it holds true in the overwhelming majority of cases.Perhaps we're using different definitions of "quality" here. Your definition seems to be stating it's quality can be determined by the total number of people it entertains; Mine is specific to me, as I don't believe my opinion as to whether it was "good" or not carries any weight to anyone else. My opinion isn't any better (or worse) than theirs.
So I could claim the game is "good" and you claim it "bad" and neither would be wrong. That is what subjective means, after all.
As for my pointing out a fallacy being a fallacy, Neo already explained that: it's only a fallacy when my pointing out a fallacy is used to discredit arguments that aren't supported by the original fallacy, which I don't believe I was doing.
As for exceptions to appealing to popularity, if we assume whether something is "good" or not is determined by popularity, of course using popularity isn't a fallacy. However, I don't believe that is what "good" is determined by, and nor do most art critics (whether you think such people are valid authorities on the subject is up to you, though). My definition is more personal; if I liked it, it was "good." Other people might have more objective qualifiers like "sophistication" but I don't think you have to limit yourself to their definitions either.
No, popularit does not equal quality, and vice versa.
No, the quality of something has nothing to do with popularity. Popularity is the result of clever marketing, quality is the result of components working well together, with none lacking or being left out.
Personal opinion has nothing to do with quality, it merely affects personal perception of the product.
No, just because the masses scream out for Twilight does not make it a good book. What makes it a good book is the quality of writing. And the quality of writing of Twilight is average at best, which makes it an average at best book. A popular one, but average nontheless.
Post by: Fenrir on February 05, 2013, 04:41:25 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 05, 2013, 04:45:29 pm
edit: I don't think I explained this right so I'm going to clarify it with an edit. You can't just say "quality" is one thing. It can be measured along a ton of different axes.
Post by: Zrk2 on February 05, 2013, 04:52:18 pm
Post by: Absolute Niro on February 05, 2013, 04:59:44 pm
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Wait, this isn't the IRC? M'bad.
Post by: kerlc on February 05, 2013, 05:13:07 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 05, 2013, 05:14:13 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 05, 2013, 05:17:09 pm
No thread here has ever been locked just for getting off topic. They get locked for flaming or for people repeatedly ignoring Toady's warnings.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 05, 2013, 05:33:23 pm
Man, are we not allowed to have intelligent, non-flamey derails anymore? I don't know why everyone's suddenly so hostile to them.
No thread here has ever been locked just for getting off topic. They get locked for flaming or for people repeatedly ignoring Toady's warnings.
This, with a great deal of emphasis. Part of the role of the GD megathreads is to provide a venue for all these random tangents of discussion, seeing as how they all have fairly broad guidelines. There's nothing wrong with a derail in a thread as general as this, provided it doesn't descend into mindless flaming. It'll end as soon as it runs out of steam or someone gets too heated, and in the meantime there isn't exactly a pressing, involved discussion of people saying stupid things that needs to be addressed, meta-quotes aside.
Post by: Xantalos on February 05, 2013, 10:16:11 pm
The list was COVERED in 'hipster+hipster'. Wat.
Post by: Reelya on February 06, 2013, 12:54:02 am
Thread derails only die after they get sufficiently meta. As we’re now discussing an argument about a derail, this one is probably about to expire.You know who also liked to derail threads? Hitler!
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 06, 2013, 01:00:16 am
Hitler, derails and facestabbing.Thread derails only die after they get sufficiently meta. As we’re now discussing an argument about a derail, this one is probably about to expire.You know who also liked to derail threads? Hitler!
Post by: Xantalos on February 06, 2013, 01:01:01 am
Quick, someone get a Victorian person to write about this instead of Pride and Prejudice.Hitler, derails and facestabbing.Thread derails only die after they get sufficiently meta. As we’re now discussing an argument about a derail, this one is probably about to expire.You know who also liked to derail threads? Hitler!
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 06, 2013, 01:27:51 am
The purpose of a game is to entertain. A good game entertains well. If more people are entertained than not entertained, then the game is doing its job of entertaining, and is thus, by definition, a good game.That's a very subjective value. Me defining subjectively what is a good food does not make it a good food objectively. Potato, velociraptor.
And with some Games finally achieving art status, the definitions are more abstract now.
Memory, it is suspected by some scientists that you'd eventually reach a point where years would pass by like minutesYou are immortal. Concepts of time are relative now, why would this change when you have ALL the time! Take up meditation or something. Heh.
Never mind that no one really knows how the mind functions after encountering the jaws of eternity, and so the consequences are uncertain.
being frozen for trillions of years (heat death)Immortal
being torn apart or crushed (big crunch/big rip)Immortal
being shotImmortal
experimented uponImmortal Zoidberg
torturedIt tickles
etc. innumerable times over the course of your never-ending lifespan, you'd eventually go insane...Sanity is for the mortals. I HAVE ASCENDED YOUR VALUES.
Living forever would be pretty cool for the first billions years, but the whole "wandering through the emptiness of space" would get really boring after a while.Not if you ♥ astronomy. Or if you don't base your life around having fun.
#YOLÉ
Quick, someone get a Victorian person to write about this instead of Pride and Prejudice.Oh
Post by: Skold on February 06, 2013, 01:28:58 am
As for something a little more on-topic, I find it to be incredibly stupid when someone decides that even when the evidence is stacked against them and people are disliking them because of their overly antagonistic behavior and vile demeanor towards even people who are trying to be nice to them that some people still think that in this day and age it is okay to play the race card. One of my roommates did that just earlier today and I just about slammed my face into the nearest wall for the sake of making a point that what he said over the phone to what was either the police or the emergency psychiatric unit was incredibly stupid.
If we as a species are truly going to be able to progress towards some semblance of egalitarianism we must decisively stop blaming everything on who or what we are and instead blame things on what we do. However I seriously doubt this will happen within our lifetimes, and as such right about now I am still wanting to plant my face into a wall repeatedly just to make a point.
Post by: Owlbread on February 06, 2013, 05:10:39 am
Post by: Darvi on February 06, 2013, 05:22:27 am
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 09:26:35 am
Is that juice carbonated date juice?No. Crystallized Orange Juice.
Post by: miauw62 on February 06, 2013, 09:44:11 am
And facestabbing Hitler is just awesome.
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 09:47:03 am
And facestabbing Hitler is just awesome.+1 to that.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on February 06, 2013, 12:24:14 pm
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 12:37:33 pm
this derail is less interesting than the previous derail. the previous derail was also more interesting than the rail itself. why did you have to derail the derail? now we're still stuck with a derail, only an uninteresting oneNo, Chuck Norris couldn't beat a banana wielding pineapple in a lizard riding competition.
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 06, 2013, 01:06:57 pm
Bruce Lee wins all.this derail is less interesting than the previous derail. the previous derail was also more interesting than the rail itself. why did you have to derail the derail? now we're still stuck with a derail, only an uninteresting oneNo, Chuck Norris couldn't beat a banana wielding pineapple in a lizard riding competition.
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 01:13:21 pm
Nonsense! No one shall argue the superiority of Lord Kittensauce! Lord Kittensauce is indubidably the greatest mancatmarmalade that ever lived!Bruce Lee wins all.this derail is less interesting than the previous derail. the previous derail was also more interesting than the rail itself. why did you have to derail the derail? now we're still stuck with a derail, only an uninteresting oneNo, Chuck Norris couldn't beat a banana wielding pineapple in a lizard riding competition.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on February 06, 2013, 01:15:07 pm
What about Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker? He's got a hatchet!Nonsense! No one shall argue the superiority of Lord Kittensauce! Lord Kittensauce is indubidably the greatest mancatmarmalade that ever lived!Bruce Lee wins all.this derail is less interesting than the previous derail. the previous derail was also more interesting than the rail itself. why did you have to derail the derail? now we're still stuck with a derail, only an uninteresting oneNo, Chuck Norris couldn't beat a banana wielding pineapple in a lizard riding competition.
Post by: Aerie on February 06, 2013, 01:15:16 pm
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coffeecat692 1 day ago
Gee, it sure is convenient to blow off anyone who disagrees with you as a 'hater' right?
Have you considered that PewDiePie is actually just a bad LPer who draws in his fanboy audience with retarded gimmicks and zero talent?
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SonyTheHedgehog8 1 day ago
lol.
He's not. Just because you idiots think he is doesn't mean he actually is. You fucking retards. You don't know -shit- about him nor about his videos, saying the EXACT SAME THING other idiotic haters say, you're the motherfucking sheep in a herd, jumping into a river whenever the rest of the herd does. We're not a ''fanboy audience'', and wtf do you mean gimmicks? and you don't know anything about talent. I'm pretty sure being in the top 10 youtubers is talent..
Goddamn retard.
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It's cute watching people throw temper tantrums whenever someone criticizes their fanboy obsession over talentless hacks.
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 01:19:40 pm
Also, Jefmajor is best let's player.
Post by: Aerie on February 06, 2013, 01:20:58 pm
Spoiler: Large image (click to show/hide)
also, I think slowbeef and diabeetus are the best LPers, personally.
Post by: PanH on February 06, 2013, 01:24:04 pm
xkcd is relevant to EVERYTHING. Which makes it a bit irrelevant.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 06, 2013, 01:24:41 pm
Relevant:Spoiler: Large image (click to show/hide)
also, I think slowbeef and diabeetus are the best LPers, personally.
And I think Criken2's the best. At least, the funniest. Everyone has their own favorite.
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 01:24:57 pm
It's largely a personal choice. I mean, you're watching people play a game, something you could very easily do yourself.
Post by: miauw62 on February 06, 2013, 01:25:08 pm
Relevant:Nonsense.Spoiler: Large image (click to show/hide)
also, I think slowbeef and diabeetus are the best LPers, personally.
X kicks more ass than all of the others togheter.
Post by: Skold on February 06, 2013, 01:28:10 pm
Post by: Aerie on February 06, 2013, 01:29:57 pm
It's largely a personal choice. I mean, you're watching people play a game, something you could very easily do yourself.
Slowbeef and Diabeetus, however, have it down to a science. Think of them as the MST3K or Rifftrax of LP's: they half legitimately comment, half make fun of things, and it's a lot funnier than relying on rape jokes or random silly noises to entertain their fanbase.
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 01:30:26 pm
Lord Kittensauce dissapproves.Relevant:Nonsense.Spoiler: Large image (click to show/hide)
also, I think slowbeef and diabeetus are the best LPers, personally.
X kicks more ass than all of the others togheter.
Post by: Karnewarrior on February 06, 2013, 01:32:16 pm
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Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 06, 2013, 01:33:34 pm
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 01:36:34 pm
Post by: Sirus on February 06, 2013, 01:43:41 pm
Post by: Aerie on February 06, 2013, 01:43:53 pm
Spoiler: More rage (click to show/hide)
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 01:44:47 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 06, 2013, 01:46:43 pm
Wait, does Angry Videogame Nerd count as a Let's Player?If so, then yes, he's also a good LPer.
And Critic's a good Let's Watcher.
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 06, 2013, 01:54:51 pm
And I think Criken2's the best. At least, the funniest. Everyone has their own favorite.+1 for Criken. Personally my favourite'll be LagTV (http://www.youtube.com/lifesaglitchtv) (admittedly not for their gaming content - their off topic rants are legend) and ultimately Helloween (http://www.youtube.com/user/Helloween4545), grand wielder of HEYYAYEHYAEH. He is cool guy who doesn't afraid of horror.
Post by: miauw62 on February 06, 2013, 02:10:11 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 06, 2013, 02:17:19 pm
Post by: miauw62 on February 06, 2013, 02:19:54 pm
Wait is X the variable or an actual LPer?He is an LPer. (http://letsplay.wikia.com/wiki/David_Angel_Rodrigues)
He became famous with his minecraft LP, and he was one of the first people to do it.
Post by: Aerie on February 06, 2013, 02:23:15 pm
Spoiler: M-M-M-M-MONSTER RAGE (click to show/hide)
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 06, 2013, 02:25:08 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on February 06, 2013, 02:26:03 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on February 06, 2013, 02:36:47 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on February 06, 2013, 02:38:09 pm
This implies MZ that you don't like people who aren't one of us, who are different :PWhy, Kaijyuu, I have no idea what you're talking about. It's not like Bay12 is the only bastion of the world that I don't actively want to facepunch into submission or anything...
Post by: kaijyuu on February 06, 2013, 02:41:01 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 06, 2013, 02:44:13 pm
When SeaNanners was playing Minecraft, I found it funny. Then he stopped and I wasn't interested in the games he was playing.I have an intense dislike for him, solely because he was one of the major factors which resulted in TTT servers being flooded with RDMing morons looking for lulz.
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 06, 2013, 02:52:23 pm
TTT? RDMing?When SeaNanners was playing Minecraft, I found it funny. Then he stopped and I wasn't interested in the games he was playing.I have an intense dislike for him, solely because he was one of the major factors which resulted in TTT servers being flooded with RDMing morons looking for lulz.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 06, 2013, 02:57:39 pm
Trouble in Terrorist Town. It's a gmod gametype similar to The Ship or the Mafia forum game, in that you have an informed minority trying to kill off the uninformed majority while the uninformed majority use reasoning and good detective work to discover who the informed minority are and kill them. So like Mafia, except that instead of a daily lynch you give everyone big guns and a healthy dose of paranoia.TTT? RDMing?When SeaNanners was playing Minecraft, I found it funny. Then he stopped and I wasn't interested in the games he was playing.I have an intense dislike for him, solely because he was one of the major factors which resulted in TTT servers being flooded with RDMing morons looking for lulz.
RDMers are people who just randomly go around shooting everyone; Random Death-Matchers. Seananners released a lot of TTT videos of himself and his buddies doing just that, and fans being what they are...
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 03:07:05 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 06, 2013, 03:12:58 pm
Showing to theAlas, it is true :(entire peopleyoutube that you're a massive douche:What could possibly go wrong?Profit
Post by: SealyStar on February 06, 2013, 03:14:43 pm
Showing to the entire people that you're a massive douche: What could possibly go wrong?
That's why I don't like LPs. I tried watching a few of Minecraft... but, Jesus Christ, are there any Minecraft-related YT channels that aren't massive douchebags?
Post by: Sirus on February 06, 2013, 03:18:50 pm
Post by: Xantalos on February 06, 2013, 03:28:08 pm
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 06, 2013, 03:37:41 pm
Post by: Descan on February 06, 2013, 04:11:25 pm
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Post by: GlyphGryph on February 06, 2013, 04:43:47 pm
I like Jessie Cox myself. He's ALSO bad at video games. People who are good at the games aren't much fun to watch! It's like getting to viscerally live through the challenge I never get to experience.
Post by: Korbac on February 06, 2013, 05:33:35 pm
Northernlion is also a favourite of mine although Solifuge is just as good. :D
Then there's myself, and that video of Doom 2 with an australian accent I put on...
*shudders quietly*
Post by: Putnam on February 06, 2013, 06:02:06 pm
Related to the topic: I saw someone saying that Game Grumps as a whole is about two priviledged people flaunting their priviledge etc, followed by calling let's plays as a whole pretentious, as if people who think that they're funny shouldn't be allowed to make things they regard as funny.
(not to say there aren't pretrentious LPers, but saying that the medium as a whole is pretentious is... pretentious)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 06, 2013, 06:03:21 pm
I also appreciate that at least a decent chunk of his audience have more than 2 brain cells to rub together.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on February 06, 2013, 09:01:00 pm
Northernlion is also awesome. Best indie reviewer I've seen on Youtube.
Mangaminx and Krismpro are cool female Lpers with awesome/adawable voices who regularly play indie horror games.
Though honestly I haven't had enough time to watch many of any of their videos.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 06, 2013, 09:22:05 pm
Post by: Max White on February 06, 2013, 09:24:09 pm
Also, TotalHalibut is just awesome.
Post by: SealyStar on February 06, 2013, 09:25:10 pm
I'd suggest kurtjmac (who's walking to the very world generation limit for charity), but I'm not sure how much Minecraft he actually does anymore. He tends to talk about whatever is going on in the astronomy world.
Astronomy and Minecraft-grinding for charity? Maybe there is hope.
One of the reasons I hate LPers for just about every game I own (except Starcraft II, which I am terrible at and that many people play professionally) is that they are worse at the game than I am. This goes double for Minecraft. I've played it enough that I know exactly what I'm doing, whatever it may be, in that game. And yet a lot of LPers are just blatantly terrible at the game they are demonstrating.
I realize the value of an LP lies mostly in whatever vaguely witty things the host(s) ha(s/ve) to say... but that part doesn't work that great.
Post by: Graknorke on February 06, 2013, 09:25:44 pm
I love watching LPs. Especially ones that have no idea what they are doing. Watching people adapt to game mechanics and solve problems is interesting.But watching him play puzzle games... my god.
Also, TotalHalibut is just awesome.
In fact, any game without clear objective markers. It makes me want to gouge my eyes out and then punch him with them. He misses the solution just about every time.
Post by: Sirus on February 06, 2013, 09:30:41 pm
You could also check out direwolf and 2girls1minecraft. Both of those channels are still heavily Minecraft-based (unlike kurt, who also does a lot of Kerbal Space Program and other space sims) and they do a lot of mod tutorials.I'd suggest kurtjmac (who's walking to the very world generation limit for charity), but I'm not sure how much Minecraft he actually does anymore. He tends to talk about whatever is going on in the astronomy world.
Astronomy and Minecraft-grinding for charity? Maybe there is hope.
One of the reasons I hate LPers for just about every game I own (except Starcraft II, which I am terrible at and that many people play professionally) is that they are worse at the game than I am. This goes double for Minecraft. I've played it enough that I know exactly what I'm doing, whatever it may be, in that game. And yet a lot of LPers are just blatantly terrible at the game they are demonstrating.
I realize the value of an LP lies mostly in whatever vaguely witty things the host(s) ha(s/ve) to say... but that part doesn't work that great.
Post by: Max White on February 06, 2013, 09:32:03 pm
The puzzle itself doesn't interest me, it is seeing how somebody who sucks as solving puzzles attempts to overcome. What methods do they apply to try and make it work. What clicks and what doesn't.
This is what happens when you spend more time thinking about game design than playing them. The person becomes the subject of attention, rather than the game.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 06, 2013, 09:35:06 pm
And another one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqxmLFdcWxU&list=ULITfzLGNc0RY)
Post by: Sirus on February 06, 2013, 09:36:51 pm
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on February 06, 2013, 09:40:53 pm
Slowbeef and Diabetus are also pretty good. Same goes for Gaem Grups.
Post by: Sirus on February 06, 2013, 09:43:33 pm
Anyway, that was hilarious.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 06, 2013, 09:53:19 pm
Other then that I don't really watch a lot of lets players. Although I have started watching game grumps. Just. I have no idea if it is a quality issue or just a voice issue, but a vast majority of lets players seem to have just terrible voices and they really get on my nerves and I can't watch them. I have no idea why it seems like I don't have this issue with only a few people.
Post by: Sirus on February 06, 2013, 09:55:35 pm
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on February 06, 2013, 09:58:44 pm
I know at least one of those guys were involved in a short LP of JFK: Reloaded. Might have been all of them, but I can't remember the name of the website. Something about astronauts.Probably Freelance Astronauts. (http://www.freelanceastronauts.com/) Though, I don't think any of the guys I mentioned were in that one. :P
Anyway, that was hilarious.
Post by: Sirus on February 06, 2013, 10:02:49 pm
Really? Aw man, I could have sworn they were involved.I know at least one of those guys were involved in a short LP of JFK: Reloaded. Might have been all of them, but I can't remember the name of the website. Something about astronauts.Probably Freelance Astronauts. (http://www.freelanceastronauts.com/) Though, I don't think any of the guys I mentioned were in that one. :P
Anyway, that was hilarious.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 06, 2013, 10:07:08 pm
Okay, who linked to the Pokemon Vietnamese Crystal LP? Because you'll be receiving my medical bills in the mail, good sir or madam! My sides have split open and I think I've popped a lung, and it's only the first episode!Most recently, me. Though I myself was linked to it by someone else a couple weeks ago, and am too lazy to dig up the identity of the person we should both be thanking.
Also because I can't even afford my own bloody co-pays.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on February 06, 2013, 10:07:38 pm
I'm pretty sure they did something with Chip Cheezum at one point, not that one, like I said...Really? Aw man, I could have sworn they were involved.I know at least one of those guys were involved in a short LP of JFK: Reloaded. Might have been all of them, but I can't remember the name of the website. Something about astronauts.Probably Freelance Astronauts. (http://www.freelanceastronauts.com/) Though, I don't think any of the guys I mentioned were in that one. :P
Anyway, that was hilarious.
Unfortunately, I don't think they're doing LPs any- Oh wait, they are! When'd that happen? Hell yeah! :D
Post by: Mech#4 on February 06, 2013, 10:18:29 pm
Post by: Putnam on February 06, 2013, 10:46:20 pm
I like game grumps mostly because they can be perfectly critical and/or competent when they want--they were constantly making fun of how sexist Mary Kate and Ashley Sweet 16 Licensed to Drive is while they were playing, and they got farther in Zombies Ate my Neighbors than I ever did.
Related to the topic: I saw someone saying that Game Grumps as a whole is about two priviledged people flaunting their priviledge etc, followed by calling let's plays as a whole pretentious, as if people who think that they're funny shouldn't be allowed to make things they regard as funny.
(not to say there aren't pretrentious LPers, but saying that the medium as a whole is pretentious is... pretentious)
Aaand this person just replied to me with standard social justice stuff as if I'm not aware of all that. I am aware. I'm all into it. I know issues and stuff, god damn. Just because I'm defending game grumps doesn't make me an idiot.
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 06, 2013, 10:50:04 pm
I suspect Game Grumps may be intentionally bad at video games.
Idk, I watched them play a game, and after getting 20 or so upgrade items that were pretty obvious to me what they did, one asked the other what it did and he said he thought it did _______________ but really it did something wrong, and so they thought this upgrade did something it didnt, and didn't realize it wasn't doing what they thought until they got another 5 or so of them.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on February 06, 2013, 11:55:48 pm
And another one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqxmLFdcWxU&list=ULITfzLGNc0RY)Oh man, I forgot about the Vinesauce guys. Yeah, the clips from their streams I've seen on Youtube are great. Shame my internet couldn't handle the streaming. Vinny is one of the only guys I've seen that records corruptions of games, and it's just fantastic and crazily different from the usual. Thanks for introducing me to them in the first place, Dice.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 07, 2013, 12:19:50 am
I could swear he did a long video of this incredibly creepy old chat system that used 3D spaces as rooms, built from user content. The avatars were floating disembodied heads. If anyone could link me to that, I would love them forever, because it is one of the most horrifying things I have ever seen. It might have been someone else, but I keep associating him with it, and it's been a while.And another one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqxmLFdcWxU&list=ULITfzLGNc0RY)Oh man, I forgot about the Vinesauce guys. Yeah, the clips from their streams I've seen on Youtube are great. Shame my internet couldn't handle the streaming. Vinny is one of the only guys I've seen that records corruptions of games, and it's just fantastic and crazily different from the usual. Thanks for introducing me to them in the first place, Dice.
Post by: fqllve on February 07, 2013, 05:46:13 am
Spoiler: hello (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on February 07, 2013, 06:31:11 am
Also my often ranted Direwolf example for not playing efficiently. He stated for a solid 5 minutes about how important it was that he got lots of reeds and paper, then proceeded to walk past about 200 wild sugarcanes, and ignore his own fully grown farm about the 20 odd times he walked past it.
Post by: Darvi on February 07, 2013, 09:31:28 am
I like Jessie Cox myself. He's ALSO bad at video games. People who are good at the games aren't much fun to watch! It's like getting to viscerally live through the challenge I never get to experience.Note to self: put LP videos on YT.
Post by: MaximumZero on February 07, 2013, 09:34:59 am
Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled off-topic discussion.
Post by: miauw62 on February 07, 2013, 11:19:41 am
X :PShowing to the entire people that you're a massive douche: What could possibly go wrong?
That's why I don't like LPs. I tried watching a few of Minecraft... but, Jesus Christ, are there any Minecraft-related YT channels that aren't massive douchebags?
Post by: Mr Space Cat on February 08, 2013, 11:24:29 pm
It was him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ab55DHN0w). One of the best nightmares/lps ever done. It's like the living embodiment of geocities.Jesuzchroist how horrifying.Spoiler: hello (click to show/hide)
Post by: Xantalos on February 08, 2013, 11:28:45 pm
It was him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ab55DHN0w). One of the best nightmares/lps ever done. It's like the living embodiment of geocities.What was it? I can't seem to load it.Spoiler: hello (click to show/hide)
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 08, 2013, 11:29:20 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 09, 2013, 12:38:44 am
a 3d model of a fairyThat's like saying that Nurgle needs a touch of deodorant.
Post by: Xantalos on February 09, 2013, 12:39:34 am
Old Spice: Nurgle's worst nightmare.a 3d model of a fairyThat's like saying that Nurgle needs a touch of deodorant.
Post by: Hanslanda on February 09, 2013, 12:47:16 am
Old Spice: Nurgle's worst nightmare.a 3d model of a fairyThat's like saying that Nurgle needs a touch of deodorant.
Immediately, I had an idea for a short film. It's an Old Spice commercial, then it snapcuts to Nurgle waking up, drenched in whatever it is he excretes through his skin, gasping, sitting up in bed. He shakes his head nervously, and lays back down on his side. Then, behind him, the Old Spice Guy stands up and you hear the Old Spice jingle. It works better in my head.
Post by: Xantalos on February 09, 2013, 12:48:50 am
I pictured a horror film about Nurgkr getting stalked by a Hannibal-esque Old Spice Guy determined to deodorant him.Old Spice: Nurgle's worst nightmare.a 3d model of a fairyThat's like saying that Nurgle needs a touch of deodorant.
Immediately, I had an idea for a short film. It's an Old Spice commercial, then it snapcuts to Nurgle waking up, drenched in whatever it is he excretes through his skin, gasping, sitting up in bed. He shakes his head nervously, and lays back down on his side. Then, behind him, the Old Spice Guy stands up and you hear the Old Spice jingle. It works better in my head.
Post by: Karnewarrior on February 09, 2013, 01:00:44 am
Your B.O.
Post by: Reelya on February 09, 2013, 01:13:01 am
Silly, Nurgle is clearly in league with the Old Spice sales team. Ho much more deodorant do you think they can sell due to really stinky chaos gods? Just like glaziers benefiting from broken windows.I pictured a horror film about Nurgkr getting stalked by a Hannibal-esque Old Spice Guy determined to deodorant him.Old Spice: Nurgle's worst nightmare.a 3d model of a fairyThat's like saying that Nurgle needs a touch of deodorant.
Immediately, I had an idea for a short film. It's an Old Spice commercial, then it snapcuts to Nurgle waking up, drenched in whatever it is he excretes through his skin, gasping, sitting up in bed. He shakes his head nervously, and lays back down on his side. Then, behind him, the Old Spice Guy stands up and you hear the Old Spice jingle. It works better in my head.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 09, 2013, 01:15:22 am
The real motive was Tzeentch's desire for some really good deodorant. Just as keikaku.Silly, Nurgle is clearly in league with the Old Spice sales team. Ho much more deodorant do you think they can sell due to really stinky chaos gods? Just like glaziers benefiting from broken windows.I pictured a horror film about Nurgkr getting stalked by a Hannibal-esque Old Spice Guy determined to deodorant him.Old Spice: Nurgle's worst nightmare.a 3d model of a fairyThat's like saying that Nurgle needs a touch of deodorant.
Immediately, I had an idea for a short film. It's an Old Spice commercial, then it snapcuts to Nurgle waking up, drenched in whatever it is he excretes through his skin, gasping, sitting up in bed. He shakes his head nervously, and lays back down on his side. Then, behind him, the Old Spice Guy stands up and you hear the Old Spice jingle. It works better in my head.
Post by: Hanslanda on February 09, 2013, 01:27:26 am
Post by: Xantalos on February 09, 2013, 01:32:57 am
Suddenly, a wild Warhammer 40k derail appears!Use Master Ball?
Y/N
Post by: Sirus on February 09, 2013, 01:35:10 am
Can't. We're on a Nuzlocke run and we've already caught one derail this route.Suddenly, a wild Warhammer 40k derail appears!Use Master Ball?
Y/N
Post by: Hanslanda on February 09, 2013, 01:36:25 am
Post by: Flying Dice on February 09, 2013, 01:38:32 am
"Carnifex, I choose you!"
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 09, 2013, 01:39:04 am
They're going to be Salamanders.
Post by: Xantalos on February 09, 2013, 01:42:35 am
*spams Great Balls*Can't. We're on a Nuzlocke run and we've already caught one derail this route.Suddenly, a wild Warhammer 40k derail appears!Use Master Ball?
Y/N
Derail was caught!
Ohwait Nuzlocke.
Go! Anonymous!
Post by: Sirus on February 09, 2013, 01:44:13 am
Oh, you all know what needs to exist? A hacked version of Pokemon with a 40K theme, at least for the starter.Which evolutionary step would Carnifex be? And what would the other steps be?
"Carnifex, I choose you!"
Post by: Hanslanda on February 09, 2013, 01:45:03 am
Oh, you all know what needs to exist? A hacked version of Pokemon with a 40K theme, at least for the starter.Which evolutionary step would Carnifex be? And what would the other steps be?
"Carnifex, I choose you!"
I think it would go Carnifex. End.
But the other would be Hormagaunt > Warrior > Hive Tyrant (>) Heirophant. >.>
Post by: Flying Dice on February 09, 2013, 01:51:03 am
Oh, you all know what needs to exist? A hacked version of Pokemon with a 40K theme, at least for the starter.Which evolutionary step would Carnifex be? And what would the other steps be?
"Carnifex, I choose you!"
I'd say Ravener -> Carnifex -> Trygon for one starter line.
Maybe Termagant -> Tervigon for a non-starter line, and Gargoyle -> Harpy for another. Throw in Biovore and Tyrannofex as Legendaries, or maybe as branched evolutions.
Post by: Descan on February 09, 2013, 02:10:21 am
Post by: Xantalos on February 09, 2013, 02:11:27 am
Legendary: The Emperor?Magikarp Emperor. Only move: Sit Still!
It doesn't do anything...
Post by: Sirus on February 09, 2013, 02:12:58 am
Post by: Descan on February 09, 2013, 02:13:37 am
Post by: Sirus on February 09, 2013, 02:18:33 am
Post by: Luke_Prowler on February 09, 2013, 02:21:23 am
Here's how it should go:
Hormagaunt -> Warrior-> Hive Tyrant
Termagaunt -> Biovore -> Tyrannofex
Hive Guard -> Carnifex -> Bio titan
Gargoyle -> Shrikes -> Harpy
Post by: Descan on February 09, 2013, 02:24:52 am
Tyranid Trygon???
If that was to me, when I said "It" I meant the Magiperor. Empikarp.
Post by: Sirus on February 09, 2013, 02:28:15 am
Oops :PTyranid Trygon???
If that was to me, when I said "It" I meant the Magiperor. Empikarp.
What I meant was that the Emperor would be a Legendary version of Abra; no evolutions or pre-volutions, but following the same theme of some apparently sleeping thing with phenomenal psychic powers.
Post by: Descan on February 09, 2013, 02:37:57 am
Post by: Sirus on February 09, 2013, 02:44:03 am
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 09, 2013, 03:45:20 am
it should be him, before the crusades, him during the crusades (him in golden power armor basically) and then him in the golden throne.
different stages of his life.
and you can have a Space Marine that evolves into a Patriarch or a Chaos Space Marine.
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 09, 2013, 05:09:30 am
and you can have a Space Marine that evolves into a Patriarch or a Chaos Space Marine.Goddamn spehss mahreens oppressing mah SoB ;-;
Post by: Xantalos on February 09, 2013, 12:03:34 pm
Post by: Sirus on February 09, 2013, 12:44:33 pm
Post by: Graknorke on February 09, 2013, 01:12:40 pm
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All pro life idiots around the world, realize that the States has different laws and culture than yours and they need their guns.
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The US government was hijacked by zionist criminals determined to establish worldwide "communism" and exterminate any nation/people who resist their agenda.
Their goal is to exterminate 95% of Earth's population, leaving only jews (God's chosen criminals) and the goyim required for labor and rape slaves.
Zionists seek total control over the greatest military power on earth. This is why DHS purchased 2 billion bullets to disarm Americans so this evil 2% minority can then easily slaughter them.
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A knife is a practical tool an assault rifle is just a really cool toy.
I should just never scroll down a Youtube page ever.
Post by: Putnam on February 09, 2013, 01:18:39 pm
you'd be surprised at how often I go to the only guy with a knife around to get help with something you need a knife to do
dat middle comment tho
Post by: Sirus on February 09, 2013, 01:20:59 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on February 09, 2013, 01:22:41 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 09, 2013, 01:25:24 pm
Post by: Graknorke on February 09, 2013, 01:38:48 pm
Yeah, knives are tools. Not sure why the last one is considered stupid (unless you really don't like assault rifles).That an assault rifle is a toy.
Specifically.
Post by: Putnam on February 09, 2013, 01:49:04 pm
Yeah, knives are tools. Not sure why the last one is considered stupid (unless you really don't like assault rifles).That an assault rifle is a toy.
Specifically.
Ah, yes. Guns ain't toys. They shouldn't be treated as toys. Every person who even thinks of owning a gun should take multiple training courses on these things. They're deadly weapons, man.
Post by: Sirus on February 09, 2013, 01:53:02 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 09, 2013, 05:12:06 pm
That an assault rifle is a toy....Assault rifles with choking hazard labels.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on February 09, 2013, 05:31:04 pm
a toy in the sense that it hasn't any useful application for any (sane) civilian, other than to shoot it for fun. that comment is perfectly clear and not ridiculous at allYeah, knives are tools. Not sure why the last one is considered stupid (unless you really don't like assault rifles).That an assault rifle is a toy.
Specifically.
Post by: Hiiri on February 09, 2013, 05:43:37 pm
"You stupid [Racial slur]! Stop stealing White People's jobs!"
Oh that's a classic. Also: "Dem [racial slur] are stealin' mah wimmen!"
Post by: anailater on February 09, 2013, 05:51:51 pm
I've enjoyed other peoples LP's but those are the only people i can really watch with regularity.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on February 09, 2013, 06:20:56 pm
oh, yeah"You stupid [Racial slur]! Stop stealing White People's jobs!"
Oh that's a classic. Also: "Dem [racial slur] are stealin' mah wimmen!"
on maybe racist jokes,when i told my slavic friend where the word slave came from, he went all like "fuckin niggas takin our jobs"
Post by: Putnam on February 09, 2013, 07:40:15 pm
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on February 09, 2013, 07:51:52 pm
This idea that 0.999... does not equal 1 that some people have.I was gonna do some smart ass edit to your post, expressing the opposite opinion, but then I realized who gives a crap.
Post by: Putnam on February 09, 2013, 07:52:42 pm
This idea that 0.999... does not equal 1 that some people have.I was gonna do some smart ass edit to your post, expressing the opposite opinion, but then I realized who gives a crap.
please don't
it's literally the smallest thing that tells me "i don't give a single fuck about facts"
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on February 09, 2013, 08:08:32 pm
But it just makes sens- no fuck this.This idea that 0.999... does not equal 1 that some people have.I was gonna do some smart ass edit to your post, expressing the opposite opinion, but then I realized who gives a crap.
please don't
it's literally the smallest thing that tells me "i don't give a single fuck about facts"
Post by: Fenrir on February 09, 2013, 08:32:34 pm
Post by: Darvi on February 09, 2013, 08:34:17 pm
Rightly so, even (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TINfzxSnnIE).
Post by: Putnam on February 09, 2013, 08:35:13 pm
The above conversation is puzzling. Putnam rightly points out that 0.999 does not equal 1, but SomeStupidGuy—disagrees? Or something? I can’t tell.
0.999... = 1 is what I said
as in
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=0.999...
Post by: Fenrir on February 09, 2013, 08:37:39 pm
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 09, 2013, 08:38:29 pm
This idea that 0.999... does not equal 1 that some people have.
I disagree with this. I know it can be proved with modern human mathematics, but I feel this is only proof that modern human mathematics is flawed. That same proof says basically 1.0E-∞ = 0, because that number doesn't exist in human mathematics.
0.999... Does not equal 1. 0.999... + 1.0E-∞ = 1.
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on February 09, 2013, 08:39:03 pm
That is the gist of what I was trying to say. :P
Post by: Putnam on February 09, 2013, 08:44:18 pm
eThis idea that 0.999... does not equal 1 that some people have.
I disagree with this. I know it can be proved with modern human mathematics, but I feel this is only proof that modern human mathematics is flawed. That same proof says basically 1.0E-∞ = 0, because that number doesn't exist in human mathematics.
0.999... Does not equal 1. 0.999... + 1.0E-∞ = 1.
That may be what is intuitive, but math isn't intuitive. There is no such thing as 1.0E-∞. It takes a fundamental misunderstanding of infinity to think that that is a thing.
Post by: Fenrir on February 09, 2013, 08:57:23 pm
Putnam does not say that. In fact, he says the exact opposite.... (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YourHeadAsplode)
Rightly so, even (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TINfzxSnnIE).
Post by: Putnam on February 09, 2013, 09:03:25 pm
That may be what is intuitive, but math isn't intuitive. There is no such thing as 1.0E-∞. It takes a fundamental misunderstanding of infinity to think that that is a thing.This idea that 0.999... does not equal 1 that some people have.
I disagree with this. I know it can be proved with modern human mathematics, but I feel this is only proof that modern human mathematics is flawed. That same proof says basically 1.0E-∞ = 0, because that number doesn't exist in human mathematics.
0.999... Does not equal 1. 0.999... + 1.0E-∞ = 1.
Actually, 1*10^-infinity does exist; it's just that it's exactly zero. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1.0*10%5E-infinity)
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 09, 2013, 09:05:43 pm
You can't say there is no such thing as 1.0E-∞. Just because it's not used in modern mathematics doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It being able to be written is proof enough that it can exist.eThis idea that 0.999... does not equal 1 that some people have.
I disagree with this. I know it can be proved with modern human mathematics, but I feel this is only proof that modern human mathematics is flawed. That same proof says basically 1.0E-∞ = 0, because that number doesn't exist in human mathematics.
0.999... Does not equal 1. 0.999... + 1.0E-∞ = 1.
That may be what is intuitive, but math isn't intuitive. There is no such thing as 1.0E-∞. It takes a fundamental misunderstanding of infinity to think that that is a thing.
Spoiler: "Crazy Math Stuff" (click to show/hide)
Actually, 1*10^-infinity does exist; it's just that it's exactly zero. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1.0*10%5E-infinity)
it equals zero for the same reason 0.999... = 1, it's a flaw in mathematics.
Post by: Putnam on February 09, 2013, 09:09:04 pm
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on February 09, 2013, 09:11:04 pm
Putnam does not say that. In fact, he says the exact opposite.Okay. Yeah, with that I now think Putnam's right... So kudos, Putnam.
Rightly so, even (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TINfzxSnnIE).
Thankfully I named myself properly for this kind of situation. :P
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 09, 2013, 09:21:30 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on February 10, 2013, 04:37:32 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 10, 2013, 05:49:33 am
Post by: ed boy on February 10, 2013, 02:34:25 pm
There is no such number as infinity. Things can be described as infinite, but this does not mean "of size infinity", it means "larger than any finite size".
Yes, there does exist a symbol for infinity, and sometimes mathematicians use that symbol in equations. This is just them cutting corners, and really they shouldn't be doing it. Whenever you see a mathematician using the infinity symbol in such a way, you should be thinking "if I stuck a number there and kept increasing it by arbitrarily large amounts, what would the result get arbitrarily close to?"
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 10, 2013, 02:59:06 pm
It's not helped by the fact we aren't good at imagining an infinity.
I can though...
Would you guys rather I use the notation 0.000...1
(for an endless number of zeroes before the one)
Post by: freeformschooler on February 10, 2013, 03:02:31 pm
Post by: Graknorke on February 10, 2013, 03:04:35 pm
How can you have a one at the end if the zeroes are endless?It's not helped by the fact we aren't good at imagining an infinity.
I can though...
Would you guys rather I use the notation 0.000...1
(for an endless number of zeroes before the one)
Post by: Vorthon on February 10, 2013, 03:08:03 pm
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 10, 2013, 03:14:29 pm
How can you have a one at the end if the zeroes are endless?why couldn't you. It's to denote a number smaller than imaginable.
How can somebody say there is an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2 without there being a number infinantly small.
It has other uses, but they're few and far between.
Post by: Darvi on February 10, 2013, 03:33:50 pm
Because there's no end on which to append the 1?How can you have a one at the end if the zeroes are endless?why couldn't you.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 10, 2013, 03:36:48 pm
Without the one, it would be exactly zero. There may not be a real end, but the one dictates that it is one of the infinitely smallest unit away from 0.Because there's no end on which to append the 1?How can you have a one at the end if the zeroes are endless?why couldn't you.
Post by: Darvi on February 10, 2013, 03:40:08 pm
Post by: miauw62 on February 10, 2013, 04:01:30 pm
Post by: PanH on February 10, 2013, 04:02:34 pm
It's not really that infinitesimals are ininteresting, but well ...
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 10, 2013, 04:05:58 pm
And wouldn't -1 be smaller than 0.00...1?
0.00...1 is supposed to be the theoretical smallest unit possible in math. Which I find a bit silly, but I don't know enough to determine it's existence or not. So yes, -1 < 0.00...1, but that's not really what it's supposed to be about.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on February 10, 2013, 04:54:24 pm
Actually, from the very definition of an ordered field it follows that it has no smallest positive number. That's because one of the prerequisites of an ordered field F is that for every element a, b and c of F with a < b and positive c, the inequality ac < bc holds. So let's assume there is a smallest positive number p. If we let a := 1, b := 2 and c := p * 1/2, we get p * 1/2 < p, and since another prerequisite states that the product of two positive numbers is again positive, we get 0 < p*1/2. This shows that p/2 is a smaller positive number than p, which is a contradiction to the definition of p, therefore the assumption we made (namely that a smallest positive number exists) is wrong.And wouldn't -1 be smaller than 0.00...1?
0.00...1 is supposed to be the theoretical smallest unit possible in math. Which I find a bit silly, but I don't know enough to determine it's existence or not. So yes, -1 < 0.00...1, but that's not really what it's supposed to be about.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 10, 2013, 05:02:06 pm
Post by: andrea on February 10, 2013, 06:24:04 pm
Real numbers are dense, which means that for any A and B (A<B) there is a C such that A<C<B.
there is no such C between 0.999... and 1 , therefore they are the same number.
even the "smallest number"0.0000...01 imagined by previous posters, if added to 0.999... would make 1. which means that there is no C between A and B, therefore they are the same number, and 0.00...1 is equal to 0.
or else(same thing, said in other way): the real numbers can be seen as the points of a line. between any 2 points A and B of a line there always is a point C. and it continues as above.
of course, you then have to prove that real numbers are dense. but at least for me, this thinking helps accepting the equation.
It should be noted that if you are willing to move away from reals,this doesn't apply anymore.
according to wikipedia, for example, in hyperreal numbers, there are non-zero infinitesimals and 0.999... is not equal to 1
Post by: Dutchling on February 10, 2013, 06:26:45 pm
I mean, between (0.99...... - 0.00...01) and 1 is nothing either, since 0.99.... equals 1 and can thus can not be in-between them etc.etc.etc.
Post by: andrea on February 10, 2013, 06:41:27 pm
the point is that in real number, 0.00... 1 is 0 ( can't really find anything between 0.00...1 and 0 either). so any crazy sheningans involving it are void.
But there are better proofs in this thread and on the internet. This is just a way to try to make sense of it.
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 10, 2013, 08:53:21 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on February 10, 2013, 08:59:10 pm
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 10, 2013, 09:27:28 pm
I just assume 0.999... is identical to 1 about 99.999...% of the time.thats a good assumption.
Post by: TheProphet on February 10, 2013, 09:27:50 pm
Fucking math, why don't you make sense?Because logic.
Post by: ShoesandHats on February 10, 2013, 10:20:50 pm
1/3 is equal to .333 repeating, and .333 repeating times 3 is .999 repeating. 1/3 times 3 is 3/3, otherwise known as 1. So there.
And now hopefully back to discussion about
Post by: misko27 on February 10, 2013, 10:28:17 pm
But unfortunately the mathmatical reasoning is sound. I think. As I remember. The question about the logic versus the math about it is for some reason actually quite popular on the internet, despite being somewhat obscure.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on February 10, 2013, 10:53:27 pm
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 10, 2013, 10:55:28 pm
I don't know how we got into a discussion about whether or not .999 repeating is equal to one, but here's my explanation as to why it is:
1/3 is equal to .333 repeating, and .333 repeating times 3 is .999 repeating. 1/3 times 3 is 3/3, otherwise known as 1. So there.
And now hopefully back to discussion about Skyrim.
I don't remember anyone saying 0.999... wasn't prove-able to 1.
Post by: ShoesandHats on February 10, 2013, 11:20:25 pm
I don't know how we got into a discussion about whether or not .999 repeating is equal to one, but here's my explanation as to why it is:
1/3 is equal to .333 repeating, and .333 repeating times 3 is .999 repeating. 1/3 times 3 is 3/3, otherwise known as 1. So there.
And now hopefully back to discussion aboutSkyrim.Blargh blargh me being in wrong thread
I don't remember anyone saying 0.999... wasn't prove-able to 1.
But the mad ocelot god in my head did! Sometimes he gets a little riled up, and I have to calm him down.
Post by: Skyrunner on February 10, 2013, 11:38:06 pm
Valid_Dark: I'm not even sure 0.000...1 means anything. Wouldn't that just be 0? :/
Post by: Flying Dice on February 10, 2013, 11:42:02 pm
What's the topic right now? o_O I can't get it.That's more or less what they're arguing about.
Valid_Dark: I'm not even sure 0.000...1 means anything. Wouldn't that just be 0? :/
Post by: ShoesandHats on February 10, 2013, 11:55:53 pm
I don't know how we got into a discussion about whether or not .999 repeating is equal to one, but here's my explanation as to why it is:
1/3 is equal to .333 repeating, and .333 repeating times 3 is .999 repeating. 1/3 times 3 is 3/3, otherwise known as 1. So there.
And now hopefully back to discussion aboutSkyrim.Look at me, I posted in the wrong thread but it's still (kind of) valid!
I don't remember anyone saying 0.999... wasn't prove-able to 1.
But the mad ocelot god in my head said that! He gets rowdy sometimes.
Post by: Skyrunner on February 11, 2013, 12:17:39 am
Let's say 0.000 ... 1 is an infinite number of zeroes followed by a 1. It can be written as
limn->∞(0.1n - 1)
since 0.12 is 0.01, ie 2 - 1 zeroes followed by a one, and 0.16 is 6-1 zeroes followed by a one. Infinity isn't really a number, so we have to use the limit to determine the value.
The limit approaches 0. As the number of zeroes increase, the number converges to 0. If there is an infinite number of zeroes, the number equals zero.
Therefore, 0.000...1 = 0.
...I'm not quite sure if this answers Valid_Dark.
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 11, 2013, 12:49:40 am
I know there are ways to prove that it equals 0, but I disagree with that statement.
It's infinitely small, smaller than you can possibly imagine, but that doesn't make it nothing.
I know you can do it, I believe in you all,
a number's a number, no matter how small.
Post by: Putnam on February 11, 2013, 12:55:49 am
oh, I didn't have a question, I was just saying stuff.
I know there are ways to prove that it equals 0, but I disagree with that statement.
It's infinitely small, smaller than you can possibly imagine, but that doesn't make it nothing.
I know you can do it, I believe in you all,
a number's a number, no matter how small.
i think you're describing something entirely different here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitesimal)
You see, you are correct... if you're working with hyperreal numbers. Which we're not.
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 11, 2013, 01:06:13 am
oh, I didn't have a question, I was just saying stuff.
I know there are ways to prove that it equals 0, but I disagree with that statement.
It's infinitely small, smaller than you can possibly imagine, but that doesn't make it nothing.
I know you can do it, I believe in you all,
a number's a number, no matter how small.
i think you're describing something entirely different here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitesimal)
You see, you are correct... if you're working with hyperreal numbers. Which we're not.
Yeah thats pretty much what I was talking about.
Post by: misko27 on February 11, 2013, 01:10:09 am
If you think about it really, really hard (without doing the math) it sorta begins to make sense, but it is still a hard concept to grasp intuitively.
Essentially, it can be resolved by saying it's not reality, and a there can't be a amount to an infinite degree in real life, it always comes down to somethign or another.
Post by: Reelya on February 11, 2013, 01:14:17 am
I don't know how we got into a discussion about whether or not .999 repeating is equal to one, but here's my explanation as to why it is:
1/3 is equal to .333 repeating, and .333 repeating times 3 is .999 repeating. 1/3 times 3 is 3/3, otherwise known as 1. So there.
And now hopefully back to discussion aboutSkyrim.Nevermind me, I, for whatever reason, thought that this was the TES:V discussion thread.
The only problem is that .333 repeating and .999 repeating both have the same problem proving they're equal to 1/3 or 1, respectively.
.333 is less than 1/3, .3333 is less than 1/3, and so on, for as many digits as you care to take. So you can only state that as more digits are added it "approaches" 1/3 not that it categorically is equal to 1/3 (even though it is). Not saying you're wrong, but you need a better proof in both cases.
Post by: Putnam on February 11, 2013, 01:16:18 am
Post by: Mephansteras on February 11, 2013, 03:07:58 pm
Practically speaking, 0.99999999~ of an apple is a single damn apple. Mathematically it might not be, but how often do you really care?
Post by: MaximumZero on February 11, 2013, 03:14:10 pm
Post by: Xantalos on February 11, 2013, 03:16:27 pm
Really, the question comes down to 'are you talking practically or mathematically?'Only when I'm feeling really really stingy.
Practically speaking, 0.99999999~ of an apple is a single damn apple. Mathematically it might not be, but how often do you really care?
'I WANT MY FULL DAMN APPLE'
'IT'S ONLY AN INFINITELY SMALL PART MISSING'
'THE PRINCIPLE MATTERS'
Post by: Zangi on February 11, 2013, 03:27:50 pm
Meh at patent shenanigans. And... I don't use facebook, for clarification.
Post by: SealyStar on February 11, 2013, 03:34:22 pm
The girl who sits next to me in English is openly afraid of anything attached to science or technology, and us writing a paper on why not vaccinating children is a good idea. Why, and more importantly how, is someone like this in college?
I don't know either.
Is she planning to major in a scientific field? I'm assuming not, so at least there would be that comfort.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on February 11, 2013, 04:15:06 pm
Post by: cerapa on February 11, 2013, 04:15:53 pm
Negative: Plagues are not good things.
Maybe someone should tell her about polio.
Post by: Xantalos on February 11, 2013, 04:19:37 pm
Pros of anti-vaccers: Self terminating once herd immunity goes under critical limit.No don't! We're culturing the anti-vaccers so they get the diseases and the diseases don't evolve to infect the vaccinated people.
Negative: Plagues are not good things.
Maybe someone should tell her about polio.
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 11, 2013, 04:25:58 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 11, 2013, 05:10:01 pm
A very disillusioned Charles Darwin.That comic looks unfinished. I'm not sure what the weird circle in panel 3 is supposed to be.Charles Darwin, I think.
Post by: Xantalos on February 11, 2013, 05:10:55 pm
I thought it was a floating butt, but if you're sure...A very disillusioned Charles Darwin.That comic looks unfinished. I'm not sure what the weird circle in panel 3 is supposed to be.Charles Darwin, I think.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 11, 2013, 05:11:54 pm
It's an understandable mistake; they are very similar, after all.I thought it was a floating butt, but if you're sure...A very disillusioned Charles Darwin.That comic looks unfinished. I'm not sure what the weird circle in panel 3 is supposed to be.Charles Darwin, I think.
Post by: MonkeyHead on February 11, 2013, 05:31:14 pm
It's an understandable mistake; they are very similar, after all.I thought it was a floating butt, but if you're sure...A very disillusioned Charles Darwin.That comic looks unfinished. I'm not sure what the weird circle in panel 3 is supposed to be.Charles Darwin, I think.
Ah, and his famous publication: On the Origin of the Faeces.
Post by: Sirus on February 11, 2013, 05:37:05 pm
You realize that some people are allergic to vaccines and can't get them even if they want to, right?Pros of anti-vaccers: Self terminating once herd immunity goes under critical limit.No don't! We're culturing the anti-vaccers so they get the diseases and the diseases don't evolve to infect the vaccinated people.
Negative: Plagues are not good things.
Maybe someone should tell her about polio.
Post by: Darvi on February 11, 2013, 05:39:33 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on February 11, 2013, 05:46:57 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 11, 2013, 06:18:27 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 11, 2013, 07:32:27 pm
The only way to end disease is to completely eradicate it. Right now the best we can do is wipe out entire strains.Pros of anti-vaccers: Self terminating once herd immunity goes under critical limit.No don't! We're culturing the anti-vaccers so they get the diseases and the diseases don't evolve to infect the vaccinated people.
Negative: Plagues are not good things.
Maybe someone should tell her about polio.
...Unfortunately with the rise of antibiotic-resistant diseases brought on from the over zealous application of aforementioned antibiotics and the deliberate resistance towards eradicating diseases, a great deal of them still exist today.
Anti-vaccers help ensure diseases survive.
Post by: Xantalos on February 11, 2013, 07:34:03 pm
I can only offer horrible solutions, so I won't.The only way to end disease is to completely eradicate it. Right now the best we can do is wipe out entire strains.Pros of anti-vaccers: Self terminating once herd immunity goes under critical limit.No don't! We're culturing the anti-vaccers so they get the diseases and the diseases don't evolve to infect the vaccinated people.
Negative: Plagues are not good things.
Maybe someone should tell her about polio.
...Unfortunately with the rise of antibiotic-resistant diseases brought on from the over zealous application of aforementioned antibiotics and the deliberate resistance towards eradicating diseases, a great deal of them still exist today.
Anti-vaccers help ensure diseases survive.
Post by: PanH on February 11, 2013, 07:37:12 pm
What are even the arguments against vaccins ? "I don't want to pay, so I'll rather die and keep my money in my grave !" ?
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on February 11, 2013, 07:38:43 pm
No, it's 'They cause autism!' Or some other alarmist crap.
What are even the arguments against vaccins ? "I don't want to pay, so I'll rather die and keep my money in my grave !" ?
Post by: Sirus on February 11, 2013, 07:39:31 pm
Post by: Aviator CJ on February 12, 2013, 01:18:02 am
The thing is, the guy who said vaccines cause autism was talking out of his arse (ass to the Americans out there) and had his qualifications revoked as a result of the whole kerfuffle.
Post by: Vattic on February 12, 2013, 03:31:40 am
Said scientist wasn't just talking out of his arse for no reason either; There was a huge undeclared conflict of interest with him being paid by a group representing parents of children with autism to find a connection. I'm not sure if it was true but he apparently had tried to file patents for a vaccine that focused on the same viruses.
Post by: Reelya on February 12, 2013, 03:40:17 am
This has also been shown to occur in lab animals, where a random food dropping device is erroneously believed by a lab animal to be connected to a lever. The animal develops the false belief and thereafter persists in pressing the lever and looking for food, even though there is zero correlation. This shows the tendency to notice when there is a coincidental correlation, and ignore the times there was no correlation.
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 12, 2013, 04:26:43 am
The only way to end disease is to completely eradicate it. Right now the best we can do is wipe out entire strains.Pros of anti-vaccers: Self terminating once herd immunity goes under critical limit.No don't! We're culturing the anti-vaccers so they get the diseases and the diseases don't evolve to infect the vaccinated people.
Negative: Plagues are not good things.
Maybe someone should tell her about polio.
...Unfortunately with the rise of antibiotic-resistant diseases brought on from the over zealous application of aforementioned antibiotics and the deliberate resistance towards eradicating diseases, a great deal of them still exist today.
Anti-vaccers help ensure diseases survive.
(http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/3/38/evolving.png)
Biologists play reverse Pokémon, trying to avoid putting any one team member on the front lines long enough for the experience to cause evolution.
Post by: alway on February 12, 2013, 04:39:13 am
Said scientist wasn't just talking out of his arse for no reason either; There was a huge undeclared conflict of interest with him being paid by a group representing parents of children with autism to find a connection. I'm not sure if it was true but he apparently had tried to file patents for a vaccine that focused on the same viruses.Yep. Though it's actually worse than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
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Four years after the publication of the paper, other researchers' results had still failed to reproduce Wakefield's findings or confirm his hypothesis of a relation between childhood gastrointestinal disorders and autism.[4] A 2004 investigation by Sunday Times reporter Brian Deer identified undisclosed financial conflicts of interest on Wakefield's part,[5] and most of his coauthors then withdrew their support for the study's interpretations.[6] The British General Medical Council (GMC) conducted an inquiry into allegations of misconduct against Wakefield and two former colleagues.[7] The investigation centred on Deer's numerous findings, including one that autistic children were subjected to unnecessary invasive medical procedures,[8] such as colonoscopy and lumbar puncture, and that Wakefield acted without the required ethical approval from an institutional review board.
On 28 January 2010, a five-member statutory tribunal of the GMC found three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally challenged children.[9] The panel ruled that Wakefield had "failed in his duties as a responsible consultant", acted both against the interests of his patients, and "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his published research.[10][11][12] The Lancet immediately and fully retracted his 1998 publication on the basis of the GMC’s findings, noting that elements of the manuscript had been falsified.[13] Wakefield was struck off the Medical Register in May 2010, with a statement identifying dishonest falsification in The Lancet research,[14] and is barred from practising medicine in the UK.[15]
In January 2011, an editorial accompanying an article by Brian Deer in BMJ identified Wakefield's work as an "elaborate fraud".[1][16][17] In a follow-up article,[18] Deer said that Wakefield had planned to launch a venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing".[19] In November 2011, yet another report in BMJ[20] revealed original raw data indicating that, contrary to Wakefield's claims in The Lancet, children in his research did not have inflammatory bowel disease.
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but in December 2006, Deer reported figures obtained from the Legal Services Commission showing that it had paid Ł435,643 in undisclosed fees to Wakefield for him to build a case against the MMR vaccine
Post by: Xantalos on February 12, 2013, 04:52:37 am
NOTHING HAPPENED
GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS
Post by: werty892 on February 12, 2013, 02:27:21 pm
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Are we a communist or capitalist society?
This is in the US.
What
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Dont
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Post by: Flying Dice on February 12, 2013, 02:31:28 pm
Neither.QuoteAre we a communist or capitalist society?
This is in the US.
What
I
Dont
Even
Post by: Sirus on February 12, 2013, 04:37:13 pm
Both?Neither.QuoteAre we a communist or capitalist society?
This is in the US.
What
I
Dont
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Post by: Mephansteras on February 12, 2013, 05:12:37 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 12, 2013, 06:31:12 pm
Post by: Sirus on February 12, 2013, 11:57:51 pm
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why did they copy justin bieber/Even if trolling, that hurts my soul.
Post by: Zephyr on February 13, 2013, 12:13:19 am
it's a WHOLE BUNCH of stupid things... all of which make me happy i'm Agnostic.
...ok it doesn't make me happy at all... it makes me sad... very VERY sad Q_Q
Post by: Scelly9 on February 13, 2013, 12:17:49 am
Quote from: Some guy
Communist Obama is killing America with gay marriage and planned parenthood!
I HATE this town.
Post by: Putnam on February 13, 2013, 12:28:51 am
Quote from: Some guyCommunist Obama is killing America with gay marriage and planned parenthood!
I HATE this town.
yep
Post by: Xantalos on February 13, 2013, 12:43:47 am
On a video of Queen's Somebody to Love:I felt that soul punch through three Internet transfers.Quotewhy did they copy justin bieber/Even if trolling, that hurts my soul.
Post by: da_nang on February 13, 2013, 11:39:53 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtmWU0Mwe7EMy hand hurts from continuous facepalming.
it's a WHOLE BUNCH of stupid things... all of which make me happy i'm Agnostic.
...ok it doesn't make me happy at all... it makes me sad... very VERY sad Q_Q
Post by: OREOSOME on February 13, 2013, 11:41:45 am
So... a beaver is demonic. A duck is demonic. A rabbit is demonic. DAFUQ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtmWU0Mwe7EMy hand hurts from continuous facepalming.
it's a WHOLE BUNCH of stupid things... all of which make me happy i'm Agnostic.
...ok it doesn't make me happy at all... it makes me sad... very VERY sad Q_Q
Post by: miauw62 on February 13, 2013, 12:24:27 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on February 13, 2013, 12:33:07 pm
Post by: Sirus on February 13, 2013, 12:33:52 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on February 13, 2013, 12:35:39 pm
He has six idols of demons in his sig! KILL HIM!
Post by: Sirus on February 13, 2013, 12:38:57 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 13, 2013, 12:48:23 pm
Post by: Zephyr on February 13, 2013, 01:00:28 pm
I get the impression he's just making up crap as he goes along. :-\
don't we have medicine to cure stupid yet?
Post by: miauw62 on February 13, 2013, 01:17:39 pm
don't we have medicine to give common sense yet?FTFY
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 13, 2013, 01:19:16 pm
Spoiler: the horror (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on February 13, 2013, 01:21:40 pm
Post by: RedKing on February 13, 2013, 01:26:23 pm
On a video of Queen's Somebody to Love:Quotewhy did they copy justin bieber/Even if trolling, that hurts my soul.
Wait....please don't tell me Bieber covered that song. Please?
*Googles with trepidation*
Whew....okay, I can in fact keep living on this planet.
Post by: fqllve on February 13, 2013, 01:35:02 pm
...this is so baffling I think it might be worse.
Post by: Sirus on February 13, 2013, 01:36:05 pm
Wait, if Bieber didn't cover the song why in all hell would anyone think Queen was copying him?...That's a very good point, actually :o
...this is so baffling I think it might be worse.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 13, 2013, 02:31:42 pm
Because Bieber is the only male singer allowed to sound even remotely like a woman while singing. ::)Wait, if Bieber didn't cover the song why in all hell would anyone think Queen was copying him?...That's a very good point, actually :o
...this is so baffling I think it might be worse.
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 13, 2013, 02:47:55 pm
YA SPIN ME RIGHT ROUNDBecause Bieber is the only male singer allowed to sound even remotely like a woman while singing. ::)Wait, if Bieber didn't cover the song why in all hell would anyone think Queen was copying him?...That's a very good point, actually :o
...this is so baffling I think it might be worse.
Post by: RedKing on February 13, 2013, 03:10:50 pm
There's also the little fact of Freddie Mercury dying before Bieber was even a wayward Canadian spermlet.
Post by: werty892 on February 13, 2013, 07:33:15 pm
There's also the little fact of Freddie Mercury dying before Bieber was even a wayward Canadian spermlet.
This made my day. TO THE SIGTEXT!
Post by: tomio175 on February 13, 2013, 07:43:09 pm
I didn't know that there is a demon named Bulbasaur.Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Bulbasaur Pokéball wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Post by: Putnam on February 13, 2013, 08:38:43 pm
don't we have medicine to give common sense yet?FTFY
common sense doesn't exist
stupidity sure as hell does
Post by: MaximumZero on February 13, 2013, 09:24:04 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on February 13, 2013, 09:49:39 pm
This just in: Both Jefferson Airplane and Queen are time traveling entities, who specifically came into this era to steal a generic song name from a generic "singer".
Those BASTARDS! Let's get all the Beliebers together and... Well, actually, once we've got them all together, send them to colonize another planet. This way we get rid of them, have awesome-music-making-time-travel-entities, and possibly another planet inhabited by (debatably) humans. I was thinking Mercury.
Post by: Sirus on February 13, 2013, 09:51:08 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on February 13, 2013, 09:54:12 pm
Post by: Reelya on February 13, 2013, 09:55:03 pm
Spoiler: bieber lyrics (click to show/hide)
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 13, 2013, 09:55:30 pm
We want to give them a fair chance, now. Venus has a poisonous atmosphere that is both murky and mysterious, as well as the lack of ice. Mercury only has daily temperatures of something like 500f IIRC. That's perfectly fair if they dig under ground and turn into some sort of horrific Biebergoblins.I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALIENS WITH A RELIGION REVOLVING AROUND HIM.
Post by: Hanslanda on February 13, 2013, 09:58:13 pm
We want to give them a fair chance, now. Venus has a poisonous atmosphere that is both murky and mysterious, as well as the lack of ice. Mercury only has daily temperatures of something like 500f IIRC. That's perfectly fair if they dig under ground and turn into some sort of horrific Biebergoblins.I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALIENS WITH A RELIGION REVOLVING AROUND HIM.
Slayer, don't you get it? We KEEP Bieber. We preserve his corpse. Then, when they come to invade us after their centuries long exile, we threaten to destroy the corpse of their god.
Post by: Zephyr on February 13, 2013, 10:58:55 pm
We want to give them a fair chance, now. Venus has a poisonous atmosphere that is both murky and mysterious, as well as the lack of ice. Mercury only has daily temperatures of something like 500f IIRC. That's perfectly fair if they dig under ground and turn into some sort of horrific Biebergoblins.I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALIENS WITH A RELIGION REVOLVING AROUND HIM.
Slayer, don't you get it? We KEEP Bieber. We preserve his corpse. Then, when they come to invade us after their centuries long exile, we threaten to destroy the corpse of their god.
Or we could just make them hear his music. No thinking creature can remain sane after hearing that eldritch garbage! Just look at his fanbase!
Post by: PanH on February 13, 2013, 11:37:00 pm
Or we could just make them hear his music. No thinking creature can remain sane after hearing that eldritch garbage! Just look at his fanbase!Exactly ! They're not sane. Bieber music or threats wont have any effect.
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 14, 2013, 06:43:10 am
This just in: Both Jefferson Airplane and Queen are time traveling entities, who specifically came into this era to steal a generic song name from a generic "singer".
Those BASTARDS! Let's get all the Beliebers together and... Well, actually, once we've got them all together, send them to colonize another planet. This way we get rid of them, have awesome-music-making-time-travel-entities, and possibly another planet inhabited by (debatably) humans. I was thinking Mercury.
By accusing them you legitimize them. The moment any operation targeting people who listen to Justin Bieber is enacted - they become an organisation with a particular set of skills. A Canadian set of skills.
Post by: MonkeyHead on February 14, 2013, 07:28:50 am
This just in: Both Jefferson Airplane and Queen are time traveling entities, who specifically came into this era to steal a generic song name from a generic "singer".
Those BASTARDS! Let's get all the Beliebers together and... Well, actually, once we've got them all together, send them to colonize another planet. This way we get rid of them, have awesome-music-making-time-travel-entities, and possibly another planet inhabited by (debatably) humans. I was thinking Mercury.
By accusing them you legitimize them. The moment any operation targeting people who listen to Justin Bieber is enacted - they become an organisation with a particular set of skills. A Canadian set of skills.
Like making Kraft dinner?
Post by: Owlbread on February 14, 2013, 08:10:43 am
Post by: Xantalos on February 14, 2013, 11:16:31 am
Post by: Graknorke on February 14, 2013, 11:23:19 am
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I was going to play that game, but I saw that it was something like 500MB. Imagine how much RAM that'll need to work!
Sometimes I worry how much people don't understand computers.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 14, 2013, 11:32:12 am
All i know is that Justin Bieber lyrics (http://www.azlyrics.com/j/justinbieber.html) are unbelieberble! My vote is to send them to the nearest star with a 50/50 chance of an Earth-like planet. We really shouldn't leave them anywhere within radio distance.
I approve of shooting people at the sun.
Post by: MaximumZero on February 14, 2013, 11:32:53 am
I'll get the railgun.All i know is that Justin Bieber lyrics (http://www.azlyrics.com/j/justinbieber.html) are unbelieberble! My vote is to send them to the nearest star with a 50/50 chance of an Earth-like planet. We really shouldn't leave them anywhere within radio distance.
I approve of shooting people at the sun.
Post by: Dutchling on February 14, 2013, 11:34:56 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 14, 2013, 12:01:09 pm
The sun does not have 50/50 chance of an earth-like planet :PI assumed at least 50/50 % chance. Because I'd very much like to launch this century, rather than the next.
Post by: Scoops Novel on February 15, 2013, 08:48:00 am
I just imagined a tiny mantis on a giant vacuum.
... That's cool. Better than a giant mantis. @_@
More derails!
Post by: Descan on February 15, 2013, 11:13:36 am
Post by: Zephyr on February 17, 2013, 11:11:59 am
:c
??? care to fill us in?
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 17, 2013, 11:25:57 am
Cats.:c
??? care to fill us in?
Post by: Descan on February 17, 2013, 01:29:21 pm
... So I guess a self-fulfilling idea, there~ :D
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 17, 2013, 02:16:11 pm
I misunderstood and thought he was saying what I said was stupid.You're not an idiot. Never believe you are an idiot.
... So I guess a self-fulfilling idea, there~ :D
Never.
Post by: Korbac on February 17, 2013, 02:25:10 pm
If we lived in the galactic republic and it comprised of 591 races and 585 of those were more intelligent than us, then yes, maybe "Humans are stupid" would be a valid phrase. At the moment, both "humans are stupid" and "humans are intelligent" are equally (in)valid phrases. :)
... I just totally misread everything BUT I'VE WANTED TO SAY THAT FOREVER NRGHHHHHH XD
And Descan, you is not stoopids. :)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 18, 2013, 01:37:34 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 18, 2013, 01:41:17 pm
I generally go with the idea of "A person can be intelligent. People, on the whole, are stupid". Especially in mobs. Even smart people in a mod end up doing very stupid things.Rule 1: People are a problem
Post by: ZetaX on February 18, 2013, 01:42:08 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 18, 2013, 02:36:11 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on February 18, 2013, 02:51:35 pm
actually, that sounds fun. let's do it!
Post by: Mini on February 18, 2013, 03:08:29 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on February 18, 2013, 03:14:30 pm
From what I've seen, most human problems tend to derive from human intelligence.
The clash of intelligence against instinct, more like.
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 18, 2013, 03:21:42 pm
-The solution to this problem is more people.I generally go with the idea of "A person can be intelligent. People, on the whole, are stupid". Especially in mobs. Even smart people in a mod end up doing very stupid things.Rule 1: People are a problem
-The solution doesn't always make things better.
-So add more people.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on February 19, 2013, 06:10:59 pm
I decided, more or less on a whim, to affect a Deep South accent, because it amused me highly and because, well, it'll only show up in English class and nobody will know the difference. Now everyone, including the teacher, believes it to be my honest-to-god American accent, and I'm stuck sounding like a Charleston cotton baron for the rest of the year. I dee-clayuh, if I'd actually thought about this for more than five seconds...
Post by: MagmaMcFry on February 19, 2013, 06:25:55 pm
Today I am the subject of this thread. I rarely speak much English at all these days, but I am in English class at school, now, because my classmates wanted me to take English with them, and because the alternative is high-level Spanish, which I might be able to scrape by in, but would rather not have to struggle through.You could try having a different accent every week or so. S'not like there aren't enough awesome-sounding accents to go around.
I decided, more or less on a whim, to affect a Deep South accent, because it amused me highly and because, well, it'll only show up in English class and nobody will know the difference. Now everyone, including the teacher, believes it to be my honest-to-god American accent, and I'm stuck sounding like a Charleston cotton baron for the rest of the year. I dee-clayuh, if I'd actually thought about this for more than five seconds...
Post by: FearfulJesuit on February 19, 2013, 06:34:43 pm
Today I am the subject of this thread. I rarely speak much English at all these days, but I am in English class at school, now, because my classmates wanted me to take English with them, and because the alternative is high-level Spanish, which I might be able to scrape by in, but would rather not have to struggle through.You could try having a different accent every week or so. S'not like there aren't enough awesome-sounding accents to go around.
I decided, more or less on a whim, to affect a Deep South accent, because it amused me highly and because, well, it'll only show up in English class and nobody will know the difference. Now everyone, including the teacher, believes it to be my honest-to-god American accent, and I'm stuck sounding like a Charleston cotton baron for the rest of the year. I dee-clayuh, if I'd actually thought about this for more than five seconds...
I can actually pull a Southern accent off very well, though, since I grew up down South. It's very difficult for me to realistically do anything outside the US and Canada, for the following reason: in the western US and much of the Midwest, the words "cot," "caught," "bother" and "father" all have the same vowel. I can distinguish the cot and caught ones if I'm being careful, since although I do have the same vowel in all four of those normally I can still tell the difference. There are some other things, too, but I don't have as much trouble with them; this is the main problem.
Outside North America, however, except New York City, there are three vowels distinguished, and I can't remember how they're split up, nor which words have which. Not that Brazilians know this!
Post by: Valid_Dark on February 19, 2013, 06:36:03 pm
Friend B: Sure I guess, but my internet is kind of slow.
Friend A: No, I mean, like.. a real cat.
Post by: MaximumZero on February 20, 2013, 08:36:40 am
Put on a Yooper accent! That's a shitload of fun, too.Today I am the subject of this thread. I rarely speak much English at all these days, but I am in English class at school, now, because my classmates wanted me to take English with them, and because the alternative is high-level Spanish, which I might be able to scrape by in, but would rather not have to struggle through.You could try having a different accent every week or so. S'not like there aren't enough awesome-sounding accents to go around.
I decided, more or less on a whim, to affect a Deep South accent, because it amused me highly and because, well, it'll only show up in English class and nobody will know the difference. Now everyone, including the teacher, believes it to be my honest-to-god American accent, and I'm stuck sounding like a Charleston cotton baron for the rest of the year. I dee-clayuh, if I'd actually thought about this for more than five seconds...
I can actually pull a Southern accent off very well, though, since I grew up down South. It's very difficult for me to realistically do anything outside the US and Canada, for the following reason: in the western US and much of the Midwest, the words "cot," "caught," "bother" and "father" all have the same vowel. I can distinguish the cot and caught ones if I'm being careful, since although I do have the same vowel in all four of those normally I can still tell the difference. There are some other things, too, but I don't have as much trouble with them; this is the main problem.
Outside North America, however, except New York City, there are three vowels distinguished, and I can't remember how they're split up, nor which words have which. Not that Brazilians know this!
Post by: misko27 on February 20, 2013, 10:25:06 pm
I'm going to try what fearful did next year. Just, Irish accent. And then, middle of year, BAM.
Post by: Graknorke on February 21, 2013, 06:06:10 pm
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Why does every living thing have eyes?
I need to come up with a way to just lock my screen to the top of a Youtube page, I think these comments are making me stupider.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on February 21, 2013, 07:09:07 pm
It helps to try and read everything in a sarcastic tone of voice, so it's not people actually being stupid, but people sarcastically sounding stupid. Then they actually seem slightly more intelligent.
Post by: Doomblade187 on February 21, 2013, 07:38:10 pm
'are you fucking BLIND to whats going on in the world? you cant SEE the installing of a total police state and that the leaders are fucking CORRUPT and dont give a fuck about you and want to enslave you? keep living in the fantasy land buddy.'It would probably be easier to run the world from behind the scenes, anyway. Less publicity to worry about.
I gave him the point of the corruption, since it seems half the governments seem to help the corporations, and not the people, but his point was that the corruption was CLEAR EVIDENCE A NEW WORLD ORDER IS BEING ESTABLISHED!!!
Post by: Karnewarrior on February 22, 2013, 12:12:57 am
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There's no spelling without the letter 'A'.
I would like to disehgree. Simple modificehtions cen ehlter little while still ehllowing spelling lehrgley legible. Spelling without the letter 'E' would be fer more difficult.
Post by: Putnam on February 22, 2013, 12:18:14 am
Post by: MaximumZero on February 22, 2013, 12:35:02 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on February 22, 2013, 01:45:19 am
'are you fucking BLIND to whats going on in the world? you cant SEE the installing of a total police state and that the leaders are fucking CORRUPT and dont give a fuck about you and want to enslave you? keep living in the fantasy land buddy.'
I gave him the point of the corruption, since it seems half the governments seem to help the corporations, and not the people, but his point was that the corruption was CLEAR EVIDENCE A NEW WORLD ORDER IS BEING ESTABLISHED!!!
My contemporary world history teacher casually talks about "new world orders" that have happened in the past and whether or not we need a new one. He doesn't mean it in the same sense, of course, but the kind of "skeptic" that made that youtube comment would be crapping themselves.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 22, 2013, 08:14:21 am
Oh, rially, now? It siims to bii most cairtainly possibul. I will admit, though, it is a bit hardur to riid.Quote from: Youtube adThere's no spelling without the letter 'A'.
I would like to disehgree. Simple modificehtions cen ehlter little while still ehllowing spelling lehrgley legible. Spelling without the letter 'E' would be fer more difficult.
Post by: Karnewarrior on February 22, 2013, 10:55:31 am
Writing withoot yoo is actooly possible as well. In fact, I woold go so far as to declare it qwite easy!Oh, rially, now? It siims to bii most cairtainly possibul. I will admit, though, it is a bit hardur to riid.Quote from: Youtube adThere's no spelling without the letter 'A'.
I would like to disehgree. Simple modificehtions cen ehlter little while still ehllowing spelling lehrgley legible. Spelling without the letter 'E' would be fer more difficult.
Who pronounces "ah" with "eh"? >_>What woold yoo type "A" as withoot yoosing the letter itself?
Post by: Coalwalker on February 22, 2013, 11:03:22 am
Who pronounces "ah" with "eh"? >_>Who pronounces "eh" with "ah?"
Bostonians.
Post by: MaximumZero on February 22, 2013, 12:45:13 pm
I think you mean "Bahstoneeyuns."Who pronounces "ah" with "eh"? >_>Who pronounces "eh" with "ah?"
Bostonians.
Post by: misko27 on February 22, 2013, 06:19:18 pm
Excepting spoken expression.
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 22, 2013, 06:21:09 pm
I pledge to not use the letter "a" for the next week. Beggining Now.He he. You will not survive the week, lest you lose your tongue while your speech forgets you.
Excepting spoken expression.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on February 22, 2013, 08:33:22 pm
I pledge to not use the letter "a" for the next week. Beggining Now.Good luck with thet.
Excepting spoken expression.
Post by: SealyStar on February 22, 2013, 10:25:49 pm
I pledge to not use the letter "a" for the next week. Beggining Now.Good luck with thet.
Excepting spoken expression.
Thet sounds like it's gonnuh be herd... now lit's iliminit "e" too... thyn "i", so wy hov to wruyt luyk thys... nuw lyt's gyt ryd uf "o", whych myks yt yvun wyrdur... ynd nyw "u", syw wy hyv ty ys y fyr yll yr vywyls... gss wht hppns nxt?
Post by: Slayerhero90 on February 22, 2013, 10:26:42 pm
Post by: SealyStar on February 22, 2013, 10:28:29 pm
Ths hppns?
ndd. nd sddnl wr wrtn lk n hbrw r rbc r smthng.
Thr's vr gd rsn nglsh hs vwls
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 23, 2013, 07:26:35 am
gss wht hppns nxt?You sound very, very Welsh.
Post by: MonkeyHead on February 23, 2013, 05:32:53 pm
(Translation: Excellent!)
Post by: misko27 on February 23, 2013, 05:50:36 pm
Post by: Dr_Nocturne on February 23, 2013, 05:53:26 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 23, 2013, 05:53:27 pm
No, You just don't use words with it. See? Doing it right now.Hey, your big-letters. They're being used improperly. 'Y' post ',' is improper.
Being a gremmer Nezi is difficult without eh.
Post by: Dutchling on February 23, 2013, 05:54:21 pm
Being a gremmer Nezi is difficult without eh.But it's necesserry.
Post by: Vattic on February 23, 2013, 05:57:55 pm
Politicians use the term every now and again which, depending on who I'm with, can lead to some awkward conversations.'are you fucking BLIND to whats going on in the world? you cant SEE the installing of a total police state and that the leaders are fucking CORRUPT and dont give a fuck about you and want to enslave you? keep living in the fantasy land buddy.'
I gave him the point of the corruption, since it seems half the governments seem to help the corporations, and not the people, but his point was that the corruption was CLEAR EVIDENCE A NEW WORLD ORDER IS BEING ESTABLISHED!!!
My contemporary world history teacher casually talks about "new world orders" that have happened in the past and whether or not we need a new one. He doesn't mean it in the same sense, of course, but the kind of "skeptic" that made that youtube comment would be crapping themselves.
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 23, 2013, 06:01:02 pm
Politicians use the term every now and again which, depending on who I'm with, can lead to some awkward conversations.I find bemusement in those who believe the world is not indeed cover for the NWO. Clearly you must be NWO shell, with your meticulous use of the letter ' '.
Post by: Darvi on February 23, 2013, 06:51:59 pm
I find bemusement in those who believe the world is not indeed cover for the NWO. Clearly you must be NWO shell, with your meticulous use of the letter ' '.:O
Post by: Doomblade187 on February 23, 2013, 06:59:27 pm
*Gasp* You saw through my cunning disguise!Politicians use the term every now and again which, depending on who I'm with, can lead to some awkward conversations.I find bemusement in those who believe the world is not indeed cover for the NWO. Clearly you must be NWO shell, with your meticulous use of the letter ' '.
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 23, 2013, 07:16:56 pm
YOU'VE SEEN NOTHING HEREI find bemusement in those who believe the world is not indeed cover for the NWO. Clearly you must be NWO shell, with your meticulous use of the letter ' '.:O
MY WILL BE DONE
Post by: OREOSOME on March 15, 2013, 05:39:00 pm
Post by: Xantalos on March 15, 2013, 05:42:01 pm
So yeah, PETA is messing with videogames again. (http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2013/03/11/peta-starcraft-zerglings-have-feelings-too.aspx)Good job, PETA. It's not like they're a race bent on killing us all or anything.
Post by: Hiiri on March 15, 2013, 05:50:49 pm
Post by: Putnam on March 15, 2013, 05:51:54 pm
Spoiler: Argentina: The New Colombia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Korbac on March 15, 2013, 06:11:52 pm
I think it may be something to with the fact that the Terrans are blatantly 'people', and the Protoss are pretty much sentient, civilized aliens, whereas the Zerg tend to be a bunch of animals CONTROLLED by an intelligent entity.
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Now that I put it like that, you could argue it's like a bunch of War Dogs led by a Human, but eh. They're still out to kill you!
Post by: Hanslanda on March 15, 2013, 06:16:17 pm
So yeah, PETA is messing with videogames again. (http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2013/03/11/peta-starcraft-zerglings-have-feelings-too.aspx)
/me sighs deeply, then taps his earpiece
Admiral? Yes, we have a class five infestation. Reccommending immediate deployment of battlecruisers to raze the surrounding area, followed by grid by grid sweep with flamethrower heavy foot patrols and Ghost-guided nuclear support for hotspots. Yes. Oh, and Admiral? Pay special attention to the animals. Yes, I know that's cruel sir. But the damage to their morale... Well, frankly, it'll be hilarious. Utterly hilarious. Yes sir, I'm a heartless bastard. Thank you sir.
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 15, 2013, 06:20:50 pm
Post by: Devling on March 15, 2013, 06:28:24 pm
So
STUPID.
Why don't we demand ant labor unions?
IN SIMANT?
Post by: PanH on March 15, 2013, 07:05:27 pm
Holy pope !Spoiler: Argentina: The New Colombia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Xantalos on March 15, 2013, 07:06:27 pm
The pope obviously moved the country.Holy pope !Spoiler: Argentina: The New Colombia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on March 15, 2013, 07:40:56 pm
It's a miracle!The pope obviously moved the country.Holy pope !Spoiler: Argentina: The New Colombia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Putnam on March 15, 2013, 08:03:37 pm
Post by: Xantalos on March 15, 2013, 08:11:30 pm
(notice that South America borders the Indian Ocean)The pope moved the planet.
You know what? I'm going to blame everything on the pope now. Burnt toast? Pope did it. Airplane crashed? Pope did it. Supernova? Pope did it.
Post by: Karnewarrior on March 15, 2013, 09:24:58 pm
(notice that South America borders the Indian Ocean)The other side is the Pacific, right?
Asia is a confusing place.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on March 15, 2013, 10:52:57 pm
(notice that South America borders the Indian Ocean)The other side is the Pacific, right?
Scandinavia is a confusing country.
Doesn't it have Alaska to the south of it?
Post by: Skyrunner on March 16, 2013, 07:59:30 am
Quote from: http://blog.cheesesoft.com/opencl-dll-problem-deal-with-opencl-dll-error-the-simplest-method/
What causes OpenCL.dll problem?
OpenCL.dll error is taken for a terrible .dll error for it has the power to result in a collection of computer problems from multiple features. OpenCL.dll error is generated by various kinds of reasons, including system shutdown problems, undesirable system errors and registry files damage. It is associated with OpenCL.dll file which serves as a critical part of the system for keep the system running stably and nicely.
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When getting the OpenCL.dll error messages on the computer, don’t be scared by it; but on the other side, it is really a good thing as it tells that your computer is infected and you should take immediate action to protect your computer. From a simple study we can learn, the OpenCL.dll file can come onto your computer together with other spyware downloads. So the first thing you should do when getting the OpenCL.dll error message is to thoroughly scan your computer and remove all spyware programs and PC threats from your computer immediately.
(http://i.imgur.com/6uoqBBt.png)
... Clearly my PC is under the attack of the all-powerful OpenCL.dll attack. o_O It's just sitting there, ready to strike...
Post by: Reelya on March 16, 2013, 08:40:27 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 16, 2013, 09:47:27 am
You foolish terrancentric colonist. You forget also that the Terrans are hell bent on exterminating all of the Zerg and nearly succeeded. The Zerg have been trying to survive amid a hostile universe full of protoss and terrans. They've killed as many as all others have - Kerrigan points out this hypocrisy in that all have blood on their hands.So yeah, PETA is messing with videogames again. (http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2013/03/11/peta-starcraft-zerglings-have-feelings-too.aspx)Good job, PETA. It's not like they're a race bent on killing us all or anything.
It's a shame PETA didn't consult the fluff more rigorously. Getting all compassionate for all living things is a nice thing to do but it's so out of place in a videogame not about such a thing. Political agendas and entertainment do not mix well. When the Zerg are treated as animals they are often underestimated and subsequently are victorious. Most of the underlings ARE animals, completely devoid of emotion and thought. In HOTS Kerrigan starts making them more independent, more understandable. The game itself does a better job than PETA's parody.
Post by: Xantalos on March 16, 2013, 12:34:37 pm
Quite ironic that.You foolish terrancentric colonist. You forget also that the Terrans are hell bent on exterminating all of the Zerg and nearly succeeded. The Zerg have been trying to survive amid a hostile universe full of protoss and terrans. They've killed as many as all others have - Kerrigan points out this hypocrisy in that all have blood on their hands.So yeah, PETA is messing with videogames again. (http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2013/03/11/peta-starcraft-zerglings-have-feelings-too.aspx)Good job, PETA. It's not like they're a race bent on killing us all or anything.
It's a shame PETA didn't consult the fluff more rigorously. Getting all compassionate for all living things is a nice thing to do but it's so out of place in a videogame not about such a thing. Political agendas and entertainment do not mix well. When the Zerg are treated as animals they are often underestimated and subsequently are victorious. Most of the underlings ARE animals, completely devoid of emotion and thought. In HOTS Kerrigan starts making them more independent, more understandable. The game itself does a better job than PETA's parody.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on March 16, 2013, 12:37:41 pm
Post by: Devling on March 16, 2013, 12:51:46 pm
And, like, bigger guns?
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 16, 2013, 01:17:05 pm
Seriously, the Terrans are probably the actual most powerful faction of three. Forget the Zerg, humans are the real swarm.True. PETA's complaining about how Starcraft treats the Zerglings like animals - even though Abathur, a Zerg bug himself says that without a will they are naught but beasts. In any case animal rights is hardly an issue in a game where the dominion regularly uses biological, nuclear and chemical warfare on its own populaces to ensure victory.
"Nuclear launch detected."
"Zerglings evacuated."
"No medivacs left for civilians."
Aw yeah.
*EDIT
On review I don't think PETA should even be campaigning for animal rights with the Zerglings as their poster xenos. The Zerg seem to do just about everything the humans do to other animals - without any emotions or conscience.
Kinda reminds me of Ripley's first encounter with the Alien Queen from Alien - you see the Queen ironically treating her like an animal, albeit a dangerous one.
Post by: misko27 on March 16, 2013, 01:58:24 pm
I bet not even long-time PETA-ers will take this seriously. I mean, woah.
EDIT: I looked over at the actual PETA site, and they have no mention of it.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on March 16, 2013, 02:08:49 pm
Kinda reminds me of Ripley's first encounter with the Alien Queen from Alien - you see the Queen ironically treating her like an animal, albeit a dangerous one.It's worth noting that Ripley is pretty much the only person who takes the Xenomorphs' intellect seriously, and is thus the only adult human survivor. All the others underestimate them in some way, like saying they built their nest inside the power plant because it is warm when in reality it forces the humans to use inferior weaponry lest they blow up the whole base, and claiming they couldn't possibly have known to cut the power when it would be most inconvenient for the humans, even when they did just that.
Ripley, on the other hand, survives her initial encounter with the Queen by accepting the knowledge of its intelligence and using that to know the Queen will back off if she threatens the eggs with a flamethrower.
Post by: kaijyuu on March 16, 2013, 05:59:19 pm
Post by: misko27 on March 16, 2013, 06:04:53 pm
Peta's self parody is hilarious. What's also hilarious is those who take these things (like this and the Pokemon parody) seriously.No, the pokemon thing is perfectly accesible from their site, as is Mario Tanooki, Super Tofu boy, and "Breasts, not animal tests."
Post by: RedKing on March 18, 2013, 01:12:55 pm
"Okay......shut down?"
"NO. LOG OFF."
"Oh...I already shut down."
Post by: Neonivek on March 18, 2013, 01:18:00 pm
"Okay, I want you to just log off. Not shut down, just log off."
"Okay......shut down?"
"NO. LOG OFF."
"Oh...I already shut down."
Dear goodness it is like I am reading a Dillbert sketch. Were you talking to Dillbert's boss somehow?
Post by: Owlbread on March 18, 2013, 01:41:30 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on March 18, 2013, 01:50:33 pm
Post by: RedKing on March 18, 2013, 01:55:34 pm
I just leave mine on all the time. Always. Forever. You don't even have to enter a password to unlock it if the screensaver comes up.You do on our systems. Which people are fond of letting their password expire on while they're logged in. Which prevents you from changing your password, because the system says "Hey, you're logged in with invalid credentials. Fuck you."
So I just need them to log out and then back in, they'll get prompted to change pwd.
If they shut down, it takes 15-20 minutes to boot back up because they're obsolete pieces of shit with tons of encryption and start-at-boot software packages.
Cue RAEG FACE and me using my "I'm talking to you like you're a 3-year-old now" voice.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on March 18, 2013, 02:03:15 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 18, 2013, 02:10:25 pm
I just leave mine on all the time. Always. Forever. You don't even have to enter a password to unlock it if the screensaver comes up.
I do the same, but mine doesn't even have a screensaver. It just stays on.
Post by: Neonivek on March 18, 2013, 02:38:48 pm
I just leave mine on all the time. Always. Forever. You don't even have to enter a password to unlock it if the screensaver comes up.
I do the same, but mine doesn't even have a screensaver. It just stays on.
Some to think of it do modern screens even need screensavers anymore?
Post by: RedKing on March 18, 2013, 03:06:21 pm
Clearly, you need to implement some kind of Russian Roulette-esq consequence for failing to follow proper procedure.My form of Russian Roulette would have five loaded chambers.
Post by: PanH on March 18, 2013, 03:09:09 pm
You better replace the revolver with a minigun.Clearly, you need to implement some kind of Russian Roulette-esq consequence for failing to follow proper procedure.My form of Russian Roulette would have five loaded chambers.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on March 18, 2013, 03:13:08 pm
That won't work well at all. When you're setting up tyranny you need to make the retribution uncertain as well as extreme. If it is always extreme they'll rebel, but if you keep them guessing they'll accept the terror under the risk assessment that they're not likely to run into trouble if they modify their behavior. You should also work on randomly lashing out at people for failure, but mostly accepting failure. They stay perpetually afraid but not vengeful.Clearly, you need to implement some kind of Russian Roulette-esq consequence for failing to follow proper procedure.My form of Russian Roulette would have five loaded chambers.
Post by: RedKing on March 18, 2013, 03:21:30 pm
Fine, we'll compromise...only 3 chambers will have bullets. The other three will have bees.That won't work well at all. When you're setting up tyranny you need to make the retribution uncertain as well as extreme. If it is always extreme they'll rebel, but if you keep them guessing they'll accept the terror under the risk assessment that they're not likely to run into trouble if they modify their behavior. You should also work on randomly lashing out at people for failure, but mostly accepting failure. They stay perpetually afraid but not vengeful.Clearly, you need to implement some kind of Russian Roulette-esq consequence for failing to follow proper procedure.My form of Russian Roulette would have five loaded chambers.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on March 18, 2013, 03:26:44 pm
I'm thinking 3 with bees an three with both a bullet and bees. And the seventh has a rabid wolverine.Fine, we'll compromise...only 3 chambers will have bullets. The other three will have bees.That won't work well at all. When you're setting up tyranny you need to make the retribution uncertain as well as extreme. If it is always extreme they'll rebel, but if you keep them guessing they'll accept the terror under the risk assessment that they're not likely to run into trouble if they modify their behavior. You should also work on randomly lashing out at people for failure, but mostly accepting failure. They stay perpetually afraid but not vengeful.Clearly, you need to implement some kind of Russian Roulette-esq consequence for failing to follow proper procedure.My form of Russian Roulette would have five loaded chambers.
Post by: kaijyuu on March 18, 2013, 03:37:14 pm
Some to think of it do modern screens even need screensavers anymore?I don't believe they do. Many PCs and virtually all laptops turn off the screen to save power though, which I still refer to as a "screen saver" :P
Post by: misko27 on March 18, 2013, 04:02:48 pm
There is no seven.I'm thinking 3 with bees an three with both a bullet and bees. And the seventh has a rabid wolverine.Fine, we'll compromise...only 3 chambers will have bullets. The other three will have bees.That won't work well at all. When you're setting up tyranny you need to make the retribution uncertain as well as extreme. If it is always extreme they'll rebel, but if you keep them guessing they'll accept the terror under the risk assessment that they're not likely to run into trouble if they modify their behavior. You should also work on randomly lashing out at people for failure, but mostly accepting failure. They stay perpetually afraid but not vengeful.Clearly, you need to implement some kind of Russian Roulette-esq consequence for failing to follow proper procedure.My form of Russian Roulette would have five loaded chambers.
Anyway, the real point to it is, as MSH said, attempting to make it understood there are PUNISHMENTS THAT ARE AS HARSH AS THEY ARE CRUEL, without actually going off and getting folks mad at you. It's a delicate line, but one that any good tyrant can walk.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on March 18, 2013, 04:10:06 pm
I say there is seven, so there is seven.There is no seven.I'm thinking 3 with bees an three with both a bullet and bees. And the seventh has a rabid wolverine.Fine, we'll compromise...only 3 chambers will have bullets. The other three will have bees.That won't work well at all. When you're setting up tyranny you need to make the retribution uncertain as well as extreme. If it is always extreme they'll rebel, but if you keep them guessing they'll accept the terror under the risk assessment that they're not likely to run into trouble if they modify their behavior. You should also work on randomly lashing out at people for failure, but mostly accepting failure. They stay perpetually afraid but not vengeful.Clearly, you need to implement some kind of Russian Roulette-esq consequence for failing to follow proper procedure.My form of Russian Roulette would have five loaded chambers.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on March 18, 2013, 04:11:42 pm
Post by: Neonivek on March 18, 2013, 04:13:35 pm
Some revolvers go up to nine chambers.
You can even get some with many more then that, but those have special barrels.
Post by: Darvi on March 18, 2013, 04:17:45 pm
Post by: misko27 on March 18, 2013, 04:22:45 pm
Please remember what the said in that guide to tyranny, 1984, "2+2 can equal 5, but not when making a gun". That is too say, you can be as insane and mad-cap as you please, but don't lose track of reality. You end up like North Korea.I say there is seven, so there is seven.There is no seven.I'm thinking 3 with bees an three with both a bullet and bees. And the seventh has a rabid wolverine.Fine, we'll compromise...only 3 chambers will have bullets. The other three will have bees.That won't work well at all. When you're setting up tyranny you need to make the retribution uncertain as well as extreme. If it is always extreme they'll rebel, but if you keep them guessing they'll accept the terror under the risk assessment that they're not likely to run into trouble if they modify their behavior. You should also work on randomly lashing out at people for failure, but mostly accepting failure. They stay perpetually afraid but not vengeful.Clearly, you need to implement some kind of Russian Roulette-esq consequence for failing to follow proper procedure.My form of Russian Roulette would have five loaded chambers.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on March 18, 2013, 04:25:58 pm
Five is four, and four is five.Please remember what the said in that guide to tyranny, 1984, "2+2 can equal 5, but not when making a gun". That is too say, you can be as insane and mad-cap as you please, but don't lose track of reality. You end up like North Korea.I say there is seven, so there is seven.There is no seven.I'm thinking 3 with bees an three with both a bullet and bees. And the seventh has a rabid wolverine.Fine, we'll compromise...only 3 chambers will have bullets. The other three will have bees.That won't work well at all. When you're setting up tyranny you need to make the retribution uncertain as well as extreme. If it is always extreme they'll rebel, but if you keep them guessing they'll accept the terror under the risk assessment that they're not likely to run into trouble if they modify their behavior. You should also work on randomly lashing out at people for failure, but mostly accepting failure. They stay perpetually afraid but not vengeful.Clearly, you need to implement some kind of Russian Roulette-esq consequence for failing to follow proper procedure.My form of Russian Roulette would have five loaded chambers.
Post by: misko27 on March 18, 2013, 04:29:12 pm
You can go chat with your friend in Best Korea then, while I chill with the sane and respectable tyrants.Five is four, and four is five.Please remember what the said in that guide to tyranny, 1984, "2+2 can equal 5, but not when making a gun". That is too say, you can be as insane and mad-cap as you please, but don't lose track of reality. You end up like North Korea.I say there is seven, so there is seven.There is no seven.I'm thinking 3 with bees an three with both a bullet and bees. And the seventh has a rabid wolverine.Fine, we'll compromise...only 3 chambers will have bullets. The other three will have bees.That won't work well at all. When you're setting up tyranny you need to make the retribution uncertain as well as extreme. If it is always extreme they'll rebel, but if you keep them guessing they'll accept the terror under the risk assessment that they're not likely to run into trouble if they modify their behavior. You should also work on randomly lashing out at people for failure, but mostly accepting failure. They stay perpetually afraid but not vengeful.Clearly, you need to implement some kind of Russian Roulette-esq consequence for failing to follow proper procedure.My form of Russian Roulette would have five loaded chambers.
Post by: anailater on March 18, 2013, 04:57:39 pm
Quote
You'll just open your [censored] for anybody!Her whole family was having a fight, which ended up with one of them going into care, this above quote is from m friends brother, my friend was apparently raped as a child, I didn't know this until now, she's only 14. I hate people sometimes.
Post by: kaijyuu on March 18, 2013, 05:04:30 pm
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 18, 2013, 05:06:38 pm
Post by: anailater on March 18, 2013, 05:08:20 pm
Sounds like one fucked up family D:Her fathers has spent up to 10 years in jail, Her mother is a drug addict, her sister has ADHD and The worst kind of autism, and she has had three piercings in the last 2 months. So yeah it is. Also I live in Scotland and this sort of stuff just doesn't happen here.
Post by: Pnx on March 18, 2013, 05:10:11 pm
Take it from me, this sort of stuff, happens everywhere. Some places it's just a little bit more visible than others.Sounds like one fucked up family D:Her fathers has spent up to 10 years in jail, Her mother is a drug addict, her sister has ADHD and The worst kind of autism, and she has had three piercings in the last 2 months. So yeah it is. Also I live in Scotland and this sort of stuff just doesn't happen here.
Post by: RedKing on March 18, 2013, 05:53:38 pm
There's shit goes on in the rural South that would turn your hair white and make you want to nuke it from orbit. :-[
Post by: Scelly9 on March 18, 2013, 06:08:35 pm
Amen. I live the part of the US that produced "Honey Boo Boo".With all the highly flammable meth labs, they're nearly doing it themselves. Seriously. Sixteen have exploded within a 25 mile radius of me in the last year
There's shit goes on in the rural South that would turn your hair white and make you want to nuke it from orbit. :-[
Post by: PanH on March 18, 2013, 06:11:03 pm
Evolution : now with more meth and explosions !Amen. I live the part of the US that produced "Honey Boo Boo".With all the highly flammable meth labs, they're nearly doing it themselves. Seriously. Sixteen have exploded within a 25 mile radius of me in the last year
There's shit goes on in the rural South that would turn your hair white and make you want to nuke it from orbit. :-[
Post by: Hanslanda on March 19, 2013, 12:49:51 am
Evolution : now with more meth and explosions !Amen. I live the part of the US that produced "Honey Boo Boo".With all the highly flammable meth labs, they're nearly doing it themselves. Seriously. Sixteen have exploded within a 25 mile radius of me in the last year
There's shit goes on in the rural South that would turn your hair white and make you want to nuke it from orbit. :-[
Scelly, I live in nuke-meth-labs land as well. It's somewhat morbid to see all these methheads, then every so often, one comes in with horrific burns on their arms or something. Very rarely, but it's happened before. :x
Post by: SalmonGod on March 19, 2013, 01:30:35 am
Amen. I live the part of the US that produced "Honey Boo Boo".
There's shit goes on in the rural South that would turn your hair white and make you want to nuke it from orbit. :-[
Same goes for the midwest or great plains states. Indiana has at least one child die almost every year in exorcisms...
Scelly, I live in nuke-meth-labs land as well. It's somewhat morbid to see all these methheads, then every so often, one comes in with horrific burns on their arms or something. Very rarely, but it's happened before. :x
There are some small towns around here where I'm pretty sure meth represents the entire economy. Last two accounts I've heard from people who are still connected with the place I grew up from ages 8-16 say that's pretty much how it is there now.
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 19, 2013, 04:19:37 am
Post by: Darvi on March 19, 2013, 04:21:30 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 19, 2013, 02:34:31 pm
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Post by: Slayerhero90 on March 19, 2013, 02:45:45 pm
Ladders are scary m-fers.Human solutions: FLY YOU FOOLSSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Devling on March 19, 2013, 06:27:45 pm
Ladders don't kill people, escalators kill people.Ladders are scary m-fers.Human solutions: FLY YOU FOOLSSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 19, 2013, 06:28:49 pm
Post by: werty892 on March 19, 2013, 07:30:10 pm
Post by: Graknorke on March 19, 2013, 07:30:58 pm
You don't kill people with ladders, WE ALL DIE ANYWAYS!!!!Only 93% of us.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on March 19, 2013, 07:31:26 pm
The rest can only hope to die.You don't kill people with ladders, WE ALL DIE ANYWAYS!!!!Only 93% of us.
Post by: Devling on March 19, 2013, 07:33:16 pm
Ladders as far as the eye can see.
Post by: PanH on March 19, 2013, 07:40:46 pm
It's ladders all the way down !
Post by: werty892 on March 19, 2013, 07:42:11 pm
Post by: RedKing on March 20, 2013, 10:14:50 am
Me: "Okay, go ahead and click Cancel."
User: "Yeaahh, if you can cancel that out that'd be real nice."
Me: "......."
"......."
"Nooooooo, yooooooou need to cliiiiick on the word Caaaaaaancel." (As in, "I'm speaking slowly and with exaggeration, as if you're a moron. Because you are.")
I think it was also the way he said "real nice". Made me feel slightly unclean. :-\
Post by: MonkeyHead on March 20, 2013, 01:46:26 pm
It's ladders all the way down !
Ladders go up you silly goose. Its snakes that go down. All the way down.
Post by: PanH on March 20, 2013, 01:59:45 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 20, 2013, 04:20:29 pm
Post by: PanH on March 20, 2013, 06:13:52 pm
Post by: Devling on March 20, 2013, 06:14:50 pm
Which is to say amazingly stupid.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on March 20, 2013, 06:26:05 pm
Post by: flame99 on March 20, 2013, 09:19:49 pm
Techie: Do you live in the united states?
Dad:*Extremely sarcastic* No, I live in Skandavia. Of course I live in America!
Techie: So you want to know if you will be charged for making calls out of the country?
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 21, 2013, 02:17:57 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on March 21, 2013, 02:32:14 pm
"Philosophy is useless, it only teaches you how to think." - Mon amisSounds a lot like:
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
Pablo Picasso
Post by: RedKing on March 21, 2013, 02:37:30 pm
That's actually pretty profound. Reminds me one of my favorites (attribution unknown): "Computers aren't smart, they're high-speed idiots.""Philosophy is useless, it only teaches you how to think." - Mon amisSounds a lot like:
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
Pablo Picasso
Post by: Xantalos on March 21, 2013, 04:01:56 pm
"Philosophy is useless, it only teaches you how to think." - Mon amis"Thinking is useless, it only makes you question."
Post by: MaximumZero on March 21, 2013, 04:11:38 pm
"Questioning is useless, it only makes you skeptical.""Philosophy is useless, it only teaches you how to think." - Mon amis"Thinking is useless, it only makes you question."
Post by: tomio175 on March 21, 2013, 04:33:32 pm
"Skepticism is useless, it'll only help you get answers.""Questioning is useless, it only makes you skeptical.""Philosophy is useless, it only teaches you how to think." - Mon amis"Thinking is useless, it only makes you question."
Post by: kaijyuu on March 21, 2013, 04:37:02 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on March 21, 2013, 04:38:48 pm
Preninja:"Skepticism is useless, it'll only help you get answers.""Questioning is useless, it only makes you skeptical.""Philosophy is useless, it only teaches you how to think." - Mon amis"Thinking is useless, it only makes you question."
"Answers are useless, they only help you find the truth."
"I want the truth!"
"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
Postninja: Being wrong is useless, it only helps you learn from your mistakes.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 21, 2013, 04:39:20 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on March 21, 2013, 04:45:24 pm
Answers are useless, since they're all varying degrees of wrong and/or uncertain.The answers aren't uncertain, it's just that you generally can't be perfectly sure they're true.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on March 21, 2013, 04:47:32 pm
Mistakes are useless, they only teach you what not to do.Learning from your past errors is useless, it only helps you survive.
Post by: Dutchling on March 21, 2013, 04:48:57 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on March 21, 2013, 04:55:33 pm
Post by: misko27 on March 21, 2013, 05:25:15 pm
That's right. DOUBLE IRONIED IN THE FACE.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on March 21, 2013, 05:34:19 pm
what? this is on topic
Post by: Devling on March 21, 2013, 06:08:48 pm
In the Emperor.
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 22, 2013, 02:41:30 am
Post by: da_nang on March 22, 2013, 05:56:26 am
Post by: OREOSOME on March 22, 2013, 06:00:49 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 22, 2013, 06:06:21 am
Post by: Darvi on March 22, 2013, 06:10:47 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 22, 2013, 06:12:20 am
Post by: SalmonGod on March 22, 2013, 07:02:49 am
Post by: Darvi on March 22, 2013, 07:03:40 am
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on March 22, 2013, 07:05:31 am
Post by: MagmaMcFry on March 22, 2013, 07:12:32 am
what are definitions good for anyway?
Names are there to make it easier for people to talk about stuff. Definition is the process of making a new name.
Post by: da_nang on March 22, 2013, 08:02:11 am
Post by: Descan on March 22, 2013, 08:03:17 am
Post by: RedKing on March 22, 2013, 08:12:13 am
CAN WE PLEASE JUST STOP?Stopping is useless, it just---oh. Sorry. :-[
Post by: Ultimuh on March 22, 2013, 08:18:42 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 22, 2013, 08:51:11 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 22, 2013, 08:55:31 am
Post by: Oliolli on March 22, 2013, 09:08:38 am
That whole chain of stuff was fitting for this thread.
While it may have been fitting, it was, ultimately, useless.
Post by: anailater on March 22, 2013, 01:44:25 pm
Post by: RedKing on March 22, 2013, 01:56:58 pm
"Whats the 21st century?"- A really annoying 15 year old girl in my school.Tell her she was born in the 20th century, so technically she's over 100 years old now.
MIND : BLOWN
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 22, 2013, 03:11:13 pm
Post by: RedKing on March 22, 2013, 03:17:03 pm
This derail was fruitful, it only succeeded to rerail.This rerail was fruitful, it ony suc--
BLAM
Post by: Mephansteras on March 22, 2013, 03:18:46 pm
BLAM"Whats the 21st century?"- A really annoying 15 year old girl in my school.Tell her she was born in the 20th century, so technically she's over 100 years old now.
MIND : BLOWN
Man...you're really not supposed to do that to yourself.
Post by: Devling on March 22, 2013, 06:30:38 pm
"Whats the 21st century?"- A really annoying 15 year old girl in my school.I feel that I might not find intellectual equals in highschool.
Post by: Xantalos on March 22, 2013, 06:32:35 pm
Sadly, no. You have to be lucky and look very hard to find any."Whats the 21st century?"- A really annoying 15 year old girl in my school.I feel that I might not find intellectual equals in highschool.
Post by: frostshotgg on March 22, 2013, 06:41:39 pm
I feel that I might not find intellectual equals in highschool.I thought that too. Fortunately, some time in the summer between Jr. High and High school, you really change your point of view on life.
I can't speak for what'll change for you, but at least for me, I basically opened my eyes and realized, holy fuck I was an elitist douche. I kinda lowered my standards and accepted more people for what they were, even if they were intellectually slightly slower than me. It might've helped that I was accepted into a program that was specifically aimed at kids like me who were really good at science/math and was mostly divided from the on-level stuff. I got to know some really cool people, and learned the easy way that top 5% doesn't mean that you're top of the food chain. There were some scary intelligent kids, easily half a dozen doing multivariable calc freshman year.
Post by: Devling on March 22, 2013, 06:44:22 pm
I don't know if I am an elitist douche bag, I'm certainly not that way regarding material possessions.
But that is kinda irrelevant.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on March 22, 2013, 06:47:10 pm
I feel that I might not find intellectual equals in highschool.Ha! I go to an okay school, but the classes I go to have some genuinely intelligent people, including some friends from the challenge program that we went to for middle school. One of those friends is thirteen years old, having skipped two grades and managing to be at about the height of all the late 14/mid 15 year olds.
He's gonna tower over the rest of us when he grows up.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 22, 2013, 07:42:06 pm
Quote from: Every teenager, ever
I feel that I might not find intellectual equals in highschool.
Post by: Devling on March 22, 2013, 07:50:52 pm
Yeah, that was a elitist douche bag thing to say.
Post by: flame99 on March 22, 2013, 09:39:07 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on March 22, 2013, 09:42:21 pm
Post by: flame99 on March 22, 2013, 09:47:08 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on March 22, 2013, 09:54:03 pm
I will say this: Most of the people near my grade are complete and utter morons. For example, half of them don't even know how to pronounce anything above a third-grade level. The other half are lucky guesses, judging by how that act in other fields.You realize of course how stuck up you are? How you're acting like you're the best thing in the world and that nobody around you is an actual person with actual limitations? I bet half of them have some serious shit going on at home that you don't even have a clue about, while you're sitting there all high and mighty sitting at home on your computer, confirming that you are, in fact, vastly superior to the environment around you and they don't warrant any consideration as human beings.
That last bit was pure, spiteful sarcasm, but I'm sure you picked that up since you're obviously so intelligent.
Post by: flame99 on March 22, 2013, 10:00:43 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on March 23, 2013, 02:39:25 am
Post by: SalmonGod on March 23, 2013, 02:48:51 am
Post by: Hanslanda on March 23, 2013, 02:55:35 am
How do you say this? Can't we all get along, and try to understand instead of throwing up walls? Wouldn't that work better?
Post by: Devling on March 23, 2013, 03:20:37 am
Post by: Bdthemag on March 23, 2013, 03:42:54 am
Post by: SalmonGod on March 23, 2013, 04:03:20 am
Post by: Max White on March 23, 2013, 04:12:48 am
The very idea of being of 'average' intelligence is an insult, despite the fact that being average is ok, as most people are. Many people are so emotionally attached to the idea that they are above average that anything to the contrary is a personal slur.
I think it is because we understand our own thought process and motivations, but not always others. This makes us see ourselves as being more rational than many others, and we get used to that idea. We identify with it, and anything that challenges our identity is seen as an insult.
Post by: SalmonGod on March 23, 2013, 04:26:49 am
Post by: flame99 on March 23, 2013, 11:32:12 am
Post by: Mr Space Cat on March 23, 2013, 06:49:37 pm
"Study for the test? Nah, I'd rather update my Twitterbook and Instaface with my buddies for three hours and gossip about celebrities and other less important stuff."
"Actually do work in this class? Nah, this ten question worksheet about material we have in our notes is too much work. I'd rather text my beloved significant other about what illegal stuff we'll do at the party tonight."
Different priorities, different mentalities, different perspectives, different maturities. The question is whether any of these people believe they can actually get through a college the same way they're working through high school or if they're perfectly ok with graduating and working right off the bat. If they want to go to college and expect themselves to graduate through the same scraping-by then that's a sign of ignorance and naivety. Otherwise they probably know what they're doing, no matter how stupid it might seem to outside parties.
Post by: Devling on March 23, 2013, 07:07:27 pm
Pretty much the only reason I don't have a lot of friends isn't because I'm "smarter" then my peers, but because I have niche interests.
Post by: Graknorke on March 23, 2013, 07:09:17 pm
Post by: Devling on March 23, 2013, 07:10:32 pm
Post by: Graknorke on March 23, 2013, 07:46:24 pm
Maybe it's that most of us are insufferable pricks! :PThe insufferable prick slashes the naming box with the xswordx
The spinning part sails off in an arc
The naming box has been struck down!
Post by: Mr Space Cat on March 23, 2013, 08:20:32 pm
Maybe it's that most of us are insufferable pricks! :PWell, I can say that a bunch of the common denominator can be a bit insufferably annoying at times, yeah.
Woo, niches!
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on March 23, 2013, 09:07:33 pm
To be fair, it seems much of the "stupidity" of average people in high school is not a direct result of their intellect, but rather a lack of motivation to do anything above the minimum and barely scrape by.I can forgive people for being idiots in high school. When they carry that idiocy forward into their adult lives that drives me insane. Seriously. There are only like... 4 people (including me, no hubris intended) of my age group (~20) at my work who actually act like adults.
"Study for the test? Nah, I'd rather update my Twitterbook and Instaface with my buddies for three hours and gossip about celebrities and other less important stuff."
"Actually do work in this class? Nah, this ten question worksheet about material we have in our notes is too much work. I'd rather text my beloved significant other about what illegal stuff we'll do at the party tonight."
Different priorities, different mentalities, different perspectives, different maturities. The question is whether any of these people believe they can actually get through a college the same way they're working through high school or if they're perfectly ok with graduating and working right off the bat. If they want to go to college and expect themselves to graduate through the same scraping-by then that's a sign of ignorance and naivety. Otherwise they probably know what they're doing, no matter how stupid it might seem to outside parties.
Post by: frostshotgg on March 23, 2013, 09:40:05 pm
Why are there so many people who actually believe hacking is a thing? Why the fuck did Hollywood have to invent such a stupid idea. There's guessing passwords and taking steps to find out someone's password. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: Devling on March 23, 2013, 09:59:06 pm
"Hacked"What would you call it then?
Why are there so many people who actually believe hacking is a thing? Why the fuck did Hollywood have to invent such a stupid idea. There's guessing passwords and taking steps to find out someone's password. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: Putnam on March 23, 2013, 10:03:58 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on March 23, 2013, 10:08:03 pm
Post by: Devling on March 23, 2013, 10:09:14 pm
Science. ::)
Post by: Frumple on March 23, 2013, 10:11:11 pm
Replacing fake words with other fake words.FTFY ???Science.Language. ::)
Fake word has got to be some kind of paradox statement, really...
Post by: frostshotgg on March 23, 2013, 10:13:00 pm
Post by: Devling on March 23, 2013, 10:14:54 pm
That kinda sounds Lovecraftian.
Sp'cot'tsco ftaghn.
Post by: Putnam on March 23, 2013, 10:15:29 pm
I'd call it stupid people clicking on things they shouldn't click on.
That'd be phishing.
Post by: Graknorke on March 24, 2013, 06:37:18 am
"Hacked"It does exist though. Just because it doesn't really get done doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Why are there so many people who actually believe hacking is a thing? Why the fuck did Hollywood have to invent such a stupid idea. There's guessing passwords and taking steps to find out someone's password. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 24, 2013, 10:30:29 am
The real annoyance is when"Hacked"It does exist though. Just because it doesn't really get done doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Why are there so many people who actually believe hacking is a thing? Why the fuck did Hollywood have to invent such a stupid idea. There's guessing passwords and taking steps to find out someone's password. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: ed boy on March 24, 2013, 08:11:22 pm
To be fair, it seems much of the "stupidity" of average people in high school is not a direct result of their intellect, but rather a lack of motivation to do anything above the minimum and barely scrape by.I would reckon that the majority of it is due to peer pressure. For whatever reason, being smart is believed by most people to be worse than the alternative, and studies have shown that people will happily abandon their previous beliefs to fit in.
"Hacked"Because hacking sounds cool. If hollywood introducted their villan as a master phisher, lots of people just wouldn't consider them a proper villain.
Why are there so many people who actually believe hacking is a thing? Why the fuck did Hollywood have to invent such a stupid idea. There's guessing passwords and taking steps to find out someone's password. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 25, 2013, 04:12:26 am
A book written by weird old guys in the desert thousands of years ago does not have the answers. On the other hand, 'there was nothing and then everything came flying out of it' isn't much of an improvement. What happened to actual philosophy? You know, discussing things in a sensible manner, reasoning out things like good and happiness and shit? Science only defines things, it doesn't really explain them, and religion is impossible to prove.
Religious people don't make sense. Atheists don't make sense in a slightly more technical sort of way. Every arguement between them makes me want to scream.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 25, 2013, 08:17:14 am
Whenever I see fundies arguing with atheists I want to smack their heads together.
A book written by weird old guys in the desert thousands of years ago does not have the answers. On the other hand, 'there was nothing and then everything came flying out of it' isn't much of an improvement. What happened to actual philosophy? You know, discussing things in a sensible manner, reasoning out things like good and happiness and shit? Science only defines things, it doesn't really explain them, and religion is impossible to prove.
Religious people don't make sense. Atheists don't make sense in a slightly more technical sort of way. Every arguement between them makes me want to scream.
I feel like you're missing something here, so please excuse me while I try to clumsily explain my thoughts.
First off, atheism is the belief that there are no deities. That's it. You cannot build a set of ethics from a non-belief because the gap between the non-existence of a god and everyday life is too large.1 You need an entirely separate assumption to build your ethics, at which point you no longer have pure atheism. You have some other -ism hanging out with atheism.2 Atheism makes perfect sense when talking about the existence of deities. It doesn't make sense when talking about murder or evil, because the non-existence of god doesn't factor into those things.
Secondly philosophy is still around. The only problem with using it to reason out things like goodness/happiness is that a lot of assumptions get used in the reasoning, and those assumptions are based on cultural understandings. So a philosopher from India, Germany, Mexico and Niger would all come up with different views about goodness/happiness, though that might not be true anymore with modern communications/global culture.3 But that's besides the point. The point is that you need to make a bunch of unscientific assumptions before you can reason about goodness/happiness, and the problem with unscientific assumptions is that they're unscientific. You can't say that one set of assumptions is better than the other, because they're both unproven.4
I understand your frustration though. Theism comes with a lot of baggage that atheism is not equipped to deal with, and the perfect set of ethics is something that people have been chasing for ages now. Probably since the beginning of the human race.
Spoiler: Footnotes (click to show/hide)
Post by: Reelya on March 25, 2013, 08:55:08 am
Existence of God = a positive assertion.
Non-existence of God = a negative assertion. God not existing does not necessitate knowing how anything else came to be.
Post by: Max White on March 25, 2013, 09:00:41 am
there was nothing and then everything came flying out of itThis isn't what atheism means. In fact atheism doesn't even say 'I believe there is no god' but rather 'I do not believe in a god', you don't need a doctorate in rhetoric to understand the difference.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 25, 2013, 09:08:19 am
I'm pretty sure he's referring to the more narrow definition of atheism ('I believe there is no god'), which is the one that everyone assumes/thinks of when you say atheist.there was nothing and then everything came flying out of itThis isn't what atheism means. In fact atheism doesn't even say 'I believe there is no god' but rather 'I do not believe in a god', you don't need a doctorate in rhetoric to understand the difference.
Post by: Reelya on March 25, 2013, 09:42:54 am
I'm pretty sure he's referring to the more narrow definition of atheism ('I believe there is no god'), which is the one that everyone assumes/thinks of when you say atheist.there was nothing and then everything came flying out of itThis isn't what atheism means. In fact atheism doesn't even say 'I believe there is no god' but rather 'I do not believe in a god', you don't need a doctorate in rhetoric to understand the difference.
"nothing and everything came flying out of it" more implies the entire package evolutionary science, abiogenesis, etc, and big-bang cosmology as a unified "atheism", e.g. comparable to how a religion claims to define the history of everything. But that's not really right, since no element of the science package makes claims about the existence or non-existence of deities. Atheism is philosophy, which is (rightly) outside science.
The big difference is that atheism per se, doesn't claim to know how the universe came into existence (atheism isn't the science), but to dismiss specific claims about how it did come into existence. We can dismiss rival theories while not being beholden to any particular theory, like Sherlock Holmes deduction of unworkable possibilities until only one possibility is left..
The principle of Occam's Razor discredits deity creators though. If nothing can come from nothing, then where did "God" come from? If "nothing" could make an infinite entity known as "God", couldn't that same "nothing" just make a much less complex finite entity known as the universe? It doesn't make much sense to say it goes from nothing => infinity => finite, when it could just go straight from nothing => finite. If making the Finite required "Intelligence" then how is it logical that making the Infinite required NO "Intelligence"? Intelligent Design fails since there was no designer for the designer, proving intelligent complexity itself needs no designer.
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on March 25, 2013, 10:46:59 am
as imperial guard
its an 8 person free for all
the sisters of battle player is sending out metric fucktons of stuff
i ask the person how?
response? skill
saved replay and watched
infinate resource sploit
why do people cheat anyway?!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 25, 2013, 11:38:03 am
comparable to how a religion claims to define the history of everything.No I doesn't. It's a mistake that's often made by both fundies and a certain groups of atheits, but it's sadly not based in literary, historically or any other kind of truth.
Post by: PanH on March 25, 2013, 12:16:35 pm
This. Fundies are ignorants. I have an aunt which is a theologist, and if you told her the Bible was to be taken in the literal sense, she would laugh. While the stance of the Church in earlier centuries was different (but it was mostly because of political views, etc), it doesn't claim to explain how, but just why.comparable to how a religion claims to define the history of everything.No I doesn't. It's a mistake that's often made by both fundies and a certain groups of atheits, but it's sadly not based in literary, historically or any other kind of truth.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 25, 2013, 01:02:37 pm
Yes, the problem of where things come from still exists with a God. But at least it simplifies the question a bit. And I'm fairly sure that the universe wouldn't have such a sick sense of humor if no one was in charge. Not to mention that if you go by deduction all possibilities are equally insane.
And the thing I hate about science is that it never accepts the bleeding obvious. All these people trying to prove that animals can't do this that and the other, when anyone who owns a dog can tell you that they damn well can, for example. Or, you know, the fact that they still don't have a clue what caused the Big Bang and probably never will. The human mind is only so good, some questions are unsolvable.
On a related note: morality is wanting to walk away from Omelas. Not everyone can, but wanting to is the first step.
Post by: Devling on March 25, 2013, 01:14:52 pm
Or atleast happiness is.
It's whatever realises chemicals into my brain.
Post by: cerapa on March 25, 2013, 01:27:46 pm
Yes, the problem of where things come from still exists with a God. But at least it simplifies the question a bit. And I'm fairly sure that the universe wouldn't have such a sick sense of humor if no one was in charge. Not to mention that if you go by deduction all possibilities are equally insane.It simplifies exactly nothing. The universe still exists as it does, people still exist as they do. All you have accomplished is throwing a sentient being into a place that doesn't need to be filled.
And the thing I hate about science is that it never accepts the bleeding obvious. All these people trying to prove that animals can't do this that and the other, when anyone who owns a dog can tell you that they damn well can, for example. Or, you know, the fact that they still don't have a clue what caused the Big Bang and probably never will. The human mind is only so good, some questions are unsolvable.
And the point of the scientific process is that it doesn't accept the obvious. Human perception is hilariously biased, so if you go by anecdotal evidence and feelings, then you end up with 4 million contradictory opinions.
Plus I don't understand what the cause of the big bang has to do with the validity of the scientific method. Plus it being unanswerable is just an assumption by you. The human mind has limits, yes. But that's why we have math, computers, simulations, methods of investigation and everything else that has helped us get to where we are.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 25, 2013, 02:03:06 pm
The scientific method tells us nothing important. It does not tell us where we came from or where we're going. It does not tell us it there is life after death. It does not tell us why pain and evil exist. It does not tell us how to be happy.
Neither does organized religion, mind you, but at least it's trying. Of course the organizing is part of the problem--unregimented spirituality gets a lot closer than either science or religion.
I'll take the feelings and the obvious, thank you so very much. Science is just a tool, we should stop taking it so damn seriously. In any case, experiments are just more anecdotal evidence. The laws of physics could stop working at any moment for all we know.
Post by: Siquo on March 25, 2013, 02:08:00 pm
There you go, a 50.000 word story: http://spinelessbooks.com/gadsby/Quote from: Youtube adThere's no spelling without the letter 'A'.
I would like to disehgree. Simple modificehtions cen ehlter little while still ehllowing spelling lehrgley legible. Spelling without the letter 'E' would be fer more difficult.
Post by: cerapa on March 25, 2013, 02:10:21 pm
I'll take the feelings and the obvious, thank you so very much. Science is just a tool, we should stop taking it so damn seriously. In any case, experiments are just more anecdotal evidence. The laws of physics could stop working at any moment for all we know.So could the rules of religion. It doesn't matter. We see what we see. If the laws of physics change, then that is simply another data point that gets us closer to truly understanding the universe.
The funny thing about "where we are going" is that it is not a question, but a decision. The path we will walk is the path we choose. Science is simply a tool for choosing the right path to getting what we want. It actually does tell us why there is pain(because it makes us more likely to survive). It actually does tell us why there is evil(because evil is a concept and not an universal constant). It doesn't tell us how to be happy only because you haven't defined what happy means.
EDIT: I have noticed that this might be a tad off-topic in this thread. If you wish to reply, PM me.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 25, 2013, 02:13:02 pm
Post by: Devling on March 25, 2013, 02:13:37 pm
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It does not tell us why pain exists
It does.
Pain exists to tell us when we should stop doing something.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 25, 2013, 02:18:02 pm
Technically, it tells us that pain doesn't exist, and is just a electro/bio chemical reaction triggered by nerves*, which then releases other hormones and stuff in order to make that reaction not repeat itself again.QuoteIt does not tell us why pain existsIt does.
Pain exists to tell us when we should stop doing something.
*Amongst other things, similair mechanics are also at work for Jealousy, for example.
Remember, anything that causes itself to happen again, happens again.
And as for laws of physics stopping to work all of a sudden, then we just break out some of the stranger theorems. Really, really wierd things happen if you leave mathematicians too long in a room without observationall input.
Points is, Science and Religion should be NOMA. However, humans kinda refuse to think in easily definable catagorems, and so both spill into it other, but more often into adjacent other things.
Science is a guide on how the Universe works. If the Universe decides not to conform, bad luck, start again.
The Bible, and any other religious work, is an attempt at describing a guide at how to create a more stable, and optionally better society*. Often by serving as an individual guidance for humans. This has been met with varying amounts of succes, partially because of the huge amounts of possible intrepretations.
*This ties in nicely with some theories on the origin of early religions. (Not all, mind you)
Post by: Hanslanda on March 25, 2013, 02:23:36 pm
The human mind will not be able to understand everything. It is not built to understand everything. We are still a crazy ape that has neither the innocence of animals nor the goodness of angels.
The scientific method tells us nothing important. It does not tell us where we came from or where we're going. It does not tell us it there is life after death. It does not tell us why pain and evil exist. It does not tell us how to be happy.
Neither does organized religion, mind you, but at least it's trying. Of course the organizing is part of the problem--unregimented spirituality gets a lot closer than either science or religion.
I'll take the feelings and the obvious, thank you so very much. Science is just a tool, we should stop taking it so damn seriously. In any case, experiments are just more anecdotal evidence. The laws of physics could stop working at any moment for all we know.
We came from evolution. We're merely another mutation in a very long line of mutations. Life after death is a ridiculous term, and besides 'heaven and hell' are not places. Heaven is the state of having god in your life. Hell is the absence of god in your life. You don't go to a fiery lake of brimstone or a white fluffy cloud place with winged humanoids. It's not life after death, it's being one with god regardless of being alive or dead. Pain exists as a neurological function to inform your body of damage. Evil is a philosophical construct like 'good' and thus is somewhat up for debate. Science can actually tell you how to be happy, but that's a bit more complicated. See, living a healthy, well-balanced life will make you happy. Being healthy releases endorphins and stuff, see Runner's High. Eating healthy and such promotes your self-esteem because 'I eat good and I don't give in to my base urges to gorge on candy'. Being yourself, by say, actually asking that girl out, or telling that jerk what you think, also increase your general level of self-satisfaction.
If I say anything about organized religion, I will be banned so fast there will be flaming tiretreads on the thread.
The 'obvious' as you so seem to think it is, is not obvious. It appears to me that you're saying 'God is real and it's obvious' which would be... A invitation for bad things to come of this thread. I can say that it is obvious to me that evolutionary theory is correct. It is obvious to me that religion does not hold all the answers. Before you go throwing around the word obvious, please consider that you are not the only person with opinions in the world. That there are other people who believe wildly different things than you. And instead of trying to put them down and try to make it seem like their beliefs are ridiculous, you should try to learn from them.
As I said before, can't we all get along? I'm one of those 'super-science fucktards' you mentioned earlier, and I would like you to stop this line of conversation before someone with thinner skin than me becomes offended. I personally won't get offended by your beliefs, you have a right to them, but don't push them like they're the only set of beliefs that makes sense.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 25, 2013, 02:26:03 pm
I can say that it is obvious to me that evolutionary theory is Probably correct.FTFY
No definite truths in Science, or we'd go down the wrong way and end of in scientific conservationism. Which is not pretty, at all.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on March 25, 2013, 02:29:06 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 25, 2013, 02:30:37 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 25, 2013, 02:34:40 pm
The probably is implied and really doesn't need to be stated since it makes the scientifically illiterate doubt science in ways that they shouldn't. The only things that are always true are the laws of physics (and even then it is dependent upon scale).The laws of physics are a rather bad example. For one, we know for sure they are flawed. LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Newtonian_dynamics)
I'd say that only scientific truths are the Mathematical Axioms, and those differ based on which mathematical system you want to use.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 25, 2013, 02:51:37 pm
And I understand the scientific method just fine, but in the end everything is anecdotal evidence. They see what happens and they tell us, that's all. Just because they're careful about it and try to repeat it doesn't mean they know any more about it than what they see.
I'm not saying a Christian God is real. I'm saying science doesn't have all the answers, and never will. In any case, if you were one of the real science jerks you wouldn't be on a forum for a video game, because fun is unscientific. (Yes, there are people like that. Most of them work at Los Alamos.)
Now then, subject change. I remember someone at a bookstore trying to buy the Sandman for their 5-year-old, how's that for stupid?
Post by: PanH on March 25, 2013, 02:52:24 pm
Or you can take La Disparition (A void).There you go, a 50.000 word story: http://spinelessbooks.com/gadsby/ (http://spinelessbooks.com/gadsby/)Quote from: Youtube adThere's no spelling without the letter 'A'.
I would like to disehgree. Simple modificehtions cen ehlter little while still ehllowing spelling lehrgley legible. Spelling without the letter 'E' would be fer more difficult.
Also, there was an atheism/religion thread.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on March 25, 2013, 03:08:02 pm
Well, why do things happen that cause us pain? Why isn't everything better?because the universe doesnt care about us and wasn't created to cater to us and we emerged from a random bunch of chemicals that reacted randomly with each other instead of being perfectly designed to fit this universe, so the ability to notice that something is harming us and finding that unpleasant helps us avoid things that harm us and helps us survive
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And I hate it when people say that happiness is a chemical this that and the other, it takes all the importance out of it. If consciousness is just a chemical reaction, things like empathy and morals start flying out the window before long.happiness and consciousness and empathy are chemichals and morals are artificial constructs that, idealy, help more of us survive and be happy. the universe is meaningless and pointless without people inventing a meaning and a point. the fact that the meaning and the point of the universe is artificial instead of inherent and natural shouldn't make a difference, though
Post by: Xantalos on March 25, 2013, 03:31:56 pm
Wait. I remember what happened the last time I got involved in one of these. Nupe.
Post by: PanH on March 25, 2013, 04:05:14 pm
Ohey, a debate about personal belie-People stated to worship you ?
Wait. I remember what happened the last time I got involved in one of these. Nupe.
Post by: Xantalos on March 25, 2013, 04:05:50 pm
Not exactly. Just trust me when I say it didn't end well.Ohey, a debate about personal belie-People stated to worship you ?
Wait. I remember what happened the last time I got involved in one of these. Nupe.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 25, 2013, 04:15:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8-eiBqri0UOhey, a debate about personal belie-People stated to worship you ?
Wait. I remember what happened the last time I got involved in one of these. Nupe.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 25, 2013, 04:55:04 pm
happiness and consciousness and empathy are chemichals and morals are artificial constructs that, idealy, help more of us survive and be happy. the universe is meaningless and pointless without people inventing a meaning and a point. the fact that the meaning and the point of the universe is artificial instead of inherent and natural shouldn't make a difference, though
If the universe if pointless, being happy is equally pointless. If people don't have souls their experiences don't matter. If awareness is a meaningless accident then it doesn't matter if we live or die. If there is nothing after death then nothing we do matters, because no one will know about it eventually.
Just saying.
Now can we stop having this depressing conversation and get back to funny stupid people? I want funny stupid people.
Post by: MonkeyHead on March 25, 2013, 04:57:59 pm
happiness and consciousness and empathy are chemichals and morals are artificial constructs that, idealy, help more of us survive and be happy. the universe is meaningless and pointless without people inventing a meaning and a point. the fact that the meaning and the point of the universe is artificial instead of inherent and natural shouldn't make a difference, though
If the universe if pointless, being happy is equally pointless. If people don't have souls their experiences don't matter. If awareness is a meaningless accident then it doesn't matter if we live or die. If there is nothing after death then nothing we do matters, because no one will know about it eventually.
Just saying.
Now can we stop having this depressing conversation and get back to funny stupid people? I want funny stupid people.
Must... resist... urge... to... argue...
Post by: Devling on March 25, 2013, 04:59:57 pm
happiness and consciousness and empathy are chemichals and morals are artificial constructs that, idealy, help more of us survive and be happy. the universe is meaningless and pointless without people inventing a meaning and a point. the fact that the meaning and the point of the universe is artificial instead of inherent and natural shouldn't make a difference, though
If the universe if pointless, being happy is equally pointless. If people don't have souls their experiences don't matter. If awareness is a meaningless accident then it doesn't matter if we live or die. If there is nothing after death then nothing we do matters, because no one will know about it eventually.
Just saying.
Now can we stop having this depressing conversation and get back to funny stupid people? I want funny stupid people.
Must... resist... urge... to... argue...
Post by: MaximumZero on March 25, 2013, 05:00:08 pm
I'm right there with you, bro.happiness and consciousness and empathy are chemichals and morals are artificial constructs that, idealy, help more of us survive and be happy. the universe is meaningless and pointless without people inventing a meaning and a point. the fact that the meaning and the point of the universe is artificial instead of inherent and natural shouldn't make a difference, though
If the universe if pointless, being happy is equally pointless. If people don't have souls their experiences don't matter. If awareness is a meaningless accident then it doesn't matter if we live or die. If there is nothing after death then nothing we do matters, because no one will know about it eventually.
Just saying.
Now can we stop having this depressing conversation and get back to funny stupid people? I want funny stupid people.
Must... resist... urge... to... argue...
Post by: Xantalos on March 25, 2013, 05:03:07 pm
Not exactly. It's more like playing a video game. Let's take Minecraft as an example. Nothing you do in Minecraft really has a purpose. You are cast adrift in a seemingly infinite world with no direction, no guidance, nothing. But you can make something out of it. You can make a house; a spaceship, a fortress. Anything, really. Life without a diety is kind of like that. You may not have a guiding voice telling you what to do, but that gives you the freedom to do whatever you want. You're independent at the cost of not having that base, that certianity that dieties give you. I don't see the universe as being pointless and cruel just because I don't have an omnipotent paretn telling me what to do so I can help with their vision of the world.happiness and consciousness and empathy are chemichals and morals are artificial constructs that, idealy, help more of us survive and be happy. the universe is meaningless and pointless without people inventing a meaning and a point. the fact that the meaning and the point of the universe is artificial instead of inherent and natural shouldn't make a difference, though
If the universe if pointless, being happy is equally pointless. If people don't have souls their experiences don't matter. If awareness is a meaningless accident then it doesn't matter if we live or die. If there is nothing after death then nothing we do matters, because no one will know about it eventually.
Just saying.
Now can we stop having this depressing conversation and get back to funny stupid people? I want funny stupid people.
I can make my own.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on March 25, 2013, 05:07:58 pm
If the universe if pointless, being happy is equally pointless. If people don't have souls their experiences don't matter. If awareness is a meaningless accident then it doesn't matter if we live or die. If there is nothing after death then nothing we do matters, because no one will know about it eventually.all of that is absolutely correct, don't know where everybody else is getting their urge to argue.
being happy is pointless, but i do love being happy so i want to continue that way. empathy is also simply a biochemical thing, but it exists and i have it, so i'd like that everybody else be happy too
Post by: Flying Dice on March 25, 2013, 05:10:02 pm
The universe or the life of an individual not having an inherent purpose is not the same thing as purpose or meaning not existing. We define our own reasons for being, and simply by existing and experiencing the universe, even as a series of illusionary representations, we give meaning to our lives. The fact that we will all die and eventually cease to exist even in the memory of others does not mean that our lives cannot have importance. This is only depressing if you refuse to acknowledge the possibility of someone creating their own meaning rather than deriving it from the fact that they were created by some sort of formless infinite mind.
I exist. I value my life, my thoughts, my experiences, and my emotions. Even though I recognize on a very basic level that my entire existence is ephemeral, a blink of the cosmic eye, I still believe that it is important. My existence has value because I think that it has value.
Post by: frostshotgg on March 25, 2013, 05:16:47 pm
*These are caricatures for the purpose of making a point. I'm not saying any of this is ever used as an argument.
Post by: Xantalos on March 25, 2013, 05:20:46 pm
Post by: GuesssWho on March 25, 2013, 05:22:15 pm
So. I read a NotAlwaysRight where some looney lady decided she didn't have to pay her library fines because she was righteous. That was funny.
Post by: frostshotgg on March 25, 2013, 05:24:56 pm
http://www.fmylife.com/health/20559522
Really, just most of fmylife. There are some impossibly stupid things on that website.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 25, 2013, 05:37:58 pm
http://notalwaysright.com/no-id-ea-who-is-hiding-under-there/28183
http://notalwaysright.com/been-to-hells-angels-and-back/28072
Post by: Flying Dice on March 25, 2013, 05:46:59 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 25, 2013, 06:15:10 pm
Point.The Metro a while back published some of the reasons people gave the TFL for jumping train fares.
So. I read a NotAlwaysRight where some looney lady decided she didn't have to pay her library fines because she was righteous. That was funny.
My favourite was:
"I AM A FREEMAN OF THE LAND, YOUR FINES DO NOT APPLY TO ME."
Post by: GuesssWho on March 25, 2013, 07:06:05 pm
Post by: Squill on March 25, 2013, 07:54:51 pm
Student:"So if cells come from other cells, then where did the first ones come from?
Teacher:"Well, we don't really know for sure."
Other Student:"Well, wasn't it when Adam and Eve-"
Teacher:"Okay, okay, we're talking about cells right now."
Post by: Flying Dice on March 25, 2013, 07:58:51 pm
Conversation in science class last month:
Student:"So if cells come from other cells, then where did the first ones come from?
Teacher:"Well, we don't really know for sure."
Other Student:"Well, wasn't it when Adam and Eve-"
Teacher:"Okay, okay, we're talking about cells right now."
Silly teacher, gametes are cells. :V
Post by: Devling on March 25, 2013, 08:00:24 pm
Like how cells were created on primordial earth, in some kind of puddle.
Atleast, that's my understanding of the origins of cells.
Post by: Frumple on March 25, 2013, 08:00:33 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on March 25, 2013, 08:33:27 pm
... don't we actually have a few experiments that's managed (somewhat limited, but still...) abiogenesis? Science teacher should know that one, right?
Yes. You take the primitive amino acids and stuff, mix it with minerals and all that good stuff, and zap it with electricity and it will generate extremely primitive, self-replicating... Stuff. At least, that's how I understood it.
Post by: frostshotgg on March 25, 2013, 08:57:43 pm
Post by: Max White on March 25, 2013, 09:05:54 pm
Post by: Descan on March 25, 2013, 09:29:24 pm
Considering how quickly we got those acids, which are fairly vital to life, considering the time scales of early earth... Yeah, you shoot enough random photons across half the universe for long enough, and eventually you're gonna show the Mona Lisa to some aliens. Same here, it's just a matter of time.
Also, photons that come out of a star aren't infinite in number, right? How the hell don't they spread out absurdly over universal distances? I know the wavelength lengthens but the photons that reach us are still fairly close together, even though all those photons need to make a shell 2x the distance to the star around...
Though maybe they DO spread out like that and that's why we only see really really distant galaxies with long exposure times, since the photons have spread out but they're continuously coming?
Post by: Putnam on March 25, 2013, 09:33:01 pm
Post by: Descan on March 25, 2013, 09:54:04 pm
And then I said my last paragraph. >:I Respond to what I type, not what you think I type! >:C
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 25, 2013, 09:55:56 pm
That has nothing to do with this. I'm not saying "Why aren't photons blocked by all those stars in the way!", I'm saying "Why don't they spread out like a shotgun blast over 13.xx billion light years?"
They do. It's called the Inverse Square Law, I believe. The fact that we manage to see stars at night considering how far away they are is a testament to the sheer amount of energy they can produce.
Post by: Devling on March 25, 2013, 09:56:52 pm
We need to get on this miraculous stupidity.
Post by: Descan on March 25, 2013, 09:57:48 pm
Ah well... Back to youtube!
Post by: Max White on March 25, 2013, 10:01:40 pm
Post by: Putnam on March 25, 2013, 10:03:34 pm
That has nothing to do with this. I'm not saying "Why aren't photons blocked by all those stars in the way!", I'm saying "Why don't they spread out like a shotgun blast over 13.xx billion light years?"
And then I said my last paragraph. >:I Respond to what I type, not what you think I type! >:C
They do, it's just that a large amount still make it to us because, well... you know, there's nothing special about our direction.
Post by: Descan on March 25, 2013, 10:09:00 pm
"We get a lot of photons because we're not special!" is what you basically just said. :P
Anyway, I already got the answer, it doesn't matter.
Post by: Putnam on March 25, 2013, 10:13:51 pm
Post by: Pnx on March 25, 2013, 10:20:29 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on March 26, 2013, 12:08:41 am
I'll pick up _____.
> your grandmother
> the tab
> the door
.. So why is 'the door' incorrect? :<
Post by: Xantalos on March 26, 2013, 12:14:38 am
All matter behaves likes waves! At least according to de Broglie. I think the equation was lamba = h/p...You can't pick up a door without ripping it out of the frame.
I'll pick up _____.
> your grandmother
> the tab
> the door
.. So why is 'the door' incorrect? :<
Post by: Sirus on March 26, 2013, 12:14:48 am
I can't think of a different meaning for "pick up a door" other than physically lifting it.
Post by: Skyrunner on March 26, 2013, 01:02:45 am
Picking up my grandmother is the same usage as picking up a door (from, say, a repair shop). :/
Also, 'to pick up [person]' doesn't mean lifting...
Also, you can pick up a door, like from the floor :I
Post by: Frumple on March 26, 2013, 01:07:50 am
Like. You can pick a person up. From the floor or bed or whatever. In approaching-regular use you might use it in relation to small kids or something. Probably not a common turn of phrase, but I'm relatively certain I've both used it and heard it used.
Post by: Blargityblarg on March 26, 2013, 01:52:19 am
Post by: Frumple on March 26, 2013, 01:57:31 am
E: Give, not gift. Goddamnit brain.
Post by: Sirus on March 26, 2013, 01:58:06 am
Post by: Max White on March 26, 2013, 01:58:19 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 26, 2013, 02:07:23 am
Post by: GuesssWho on March 26, 2013, 02:20:59 am
If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me.
Yeah, that's a sad one.
Post by: Skyrunner on March 26, 2013, 02:34:38 am
Sky: possibly language barrier here, but to 'give someone a lift' doesn't mean one picks them up off the ground, it means one goes to wherever they are and then gives them a ride (usually in a car)
I know. :/ What I mean is that it's perfectly possible for me to pick up a door. It's the literal meaning of 'pick', but why would it be incorrect? D:
Bleh. Blame me typing from an iphone and thus not checking my posts for logic. :/
/me brands self as amazingly stupid and runs away
Post by: Blargityblarg on March 26, 2013, 03:31:37 am
Sky: possibly language barrier here, but to 'give someone a lift' doesn't mean one picks them up off the ground, it means one goes to wherever they are and then gives them a ride (usually in a car)
I know. :/ What I mean is that it's perfectly possible for me to pick up a door. It's the literal meaning of 'pick', but why would it be incorrect? D:
Bleh. Blame me typing from an iphone and thus not checking my posts for logic. :/
/me brands self as amazingly stupid and runs away
It's not incorrect, it's just the 'odd one out' as it's a literal meaning rather than an idiom.
Post by: MonkeyHead on March 26, 2013, 04:10:06 am
That has nothing to do with this. I'm not saying "Why aren't photons blocked by all those stars in the way!", I'm saying "Why don't they spread out like a shotgun blast over 13.xx billion light years?"
They do. It's called the Inverse Square Law, I believe. The fact that we manage to see stars at night considering how far away they are is a testament to the sheer amount of energy they can produce.
I know its a page back, but when something directly related to my field comes up I feel obliged to respond...
I = (σ4π(r^2)(T^4))/(4π(R^2))
So, yea, the intensity of energy (photons) we get here on Earth from a star in Wm^-2 is its power (calculated from Stefans law) divided by the surface area of the sphere the energy is spread out over at the range the star is from Earth. In the equation the main terms that affect our result are temperature (as it is raised to the power 4, and normally in the thousands of K), and range to star (as clearly it is massive). For the Sun, we get around 1400 Wm^-2. For even the closest of stars, you can expect numbers of the order of magnitude 10^-8 Wm^-2, down to the large range. Once we know how much energy, it is fairly trivial to apply Wiens law and Plancks law to determine how many photons, and even a tiny amount of energy represents many, many photons. Of course, there is a threshold as to how far photons can reach us from, due to the limits of the observable universe.
Olbers paradox anyone?
Post by: da_nang on March 26, 2013, 04:48:49 am
Logic-wise, I can see it. Morally, I'm stabbing my eyes out.
Post by: Skyrunner on March 26, 2013, 05:29:46 am
http://www.palgrave-journals.com/rpm/Pay_As_You_Weigh_200313.pdf (http://www.palgrave-journals.com/rpm/Pay_As_You_Weigh_200313.pdf)Same... >_>
Logic-wise, I can see it. Morally, I'm stabbing my eyes out.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on March 26, 2013, 07:04:40 am
http://www.palgrave-journals.com/rpm/Pay_As_You_Weigh_200313.pdf (http://www.palgrave-journals.com/rpm/Pay_As_You_Weigh_200313.pdf)How does this oppose your morality? I can't see the problem here.
Logic-wise, I can see it. Morally, I'm stabbing my eyes out.
Post by: werty892 on March 26, 2013, 08:34:46 am
http://www.palgrave-journals.com/rpm/Pay_As_You_Weigh_200313.pdf (http://www.palgrave-journals.com/rpm/Pay_As_You_Weigh_200313.pdf)
Logic-wise, I can see it. Morally, I'm stabbing my eyes out.
If a 747 can carry the space shuttle, I call bullshit on overweight baggage and such.
Post by: da_nang on March 26, 2013, 08:53:39 am
I'm usually of the opinion that you should view people without regard for any discerning qualities they may have unless it's physically/logically necessary. In this case, it's not.http://www.palgrave-journals.com/rpm/Pay_As_You_Weigh_200313.pdf (http://www.palgrave-journals.com/rpm/Pay_As_You_Weigh_200313.pdf)How does this oppose your morality? I can't see the problem here.
Logic-wise, I can see it. Morally, I'm stabbing my eyes out.
I mean, according to the researcher's logic, you can tax people with osteoporosis or pregnancy more as they're more likely to require medical transport which implies increased fuel consumption which implies worsening of the environment. Or tax disabled people due to their need for transport, tax the depressed for suicidal tendencies requiring medical transport, ad infinitum et absurdum.
Not to mention the privacy issues this proposal will cause.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 26, 2013, 11:39:02 am
*Low budget compagny
**Reasoning is that that seat can't move back anymore, and hence isn't resellable stuff like that.
On a side note, if this happens, I'm taking a ton of helium balloons with me on plane trips. Nobody said anything about volume, did they. But really, I doubt this'd make any profit. Can you think of what happens if they have to weight everyone before take-off. Also, online bought tickets, how do they work?
I mean, according to the researcher's logic, you can tax people with osteoporosis or pregnancy more as they're more likely to require medical transport which implies increased fuel consumption which implies worsening of the environment. Or tax disabled people due to their need for transport, tax the depressed for suicidal tendencies requiring medical transport, ad infinitum et absurdum.Barring a medical condition, overweight is a question of free will. Or at least, that's the common opinion and the reasoning applied here. In reality you'll just end up hitting the poor again.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 26, 2013, 12:44:56 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 26, 2013, 12:51:41 pm
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I mean, according to the researcher's logic, you can tax people with osteoporosis or pregnancy more as they're more likely to require medical transport which implies increased fuel consumption which implies worsening of the environment. Or tax disabled people due to their need for transport, tax the depressed for suicidal tendencies requiring medical transport, ad infinitum et absurdum.Barring a medical condition, overweight is a question of free will. Or at least, that's the common opinion and the reasoning applied here. In reality you'll just end up hitting the poor again.
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Post by: Flying Dice on March 26, 2013, 12:57:01 pm
Post by: Devling on March 26, 2013, 12:58:23 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 26, 2013, 01:02:05 pm
Many fat people are predisposed to being fat.There's also the rather strange brainquirk that results in overweight people have an increased appetite, and such things.
Post by: RedKing on March 26, 2013, 01:02:27 pm
Many fat people are predisposed to being fat.I think it's a bit of a "nature vs. nurture" issue myself. Yes, obesity tends to run in families but that can be as much due to modelling poor dietary behavior and the fact that the parents are going to be determining the children's diet by their purchasing decisions.
Post by: Descan on March 26, 2013, 02:24:55 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on March 26, 2013, 02:32:05 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 26, 2013, 02:36:20 pm
Don't they try and work around the nurture/nature thing by studying separated Identical twins?FTFY
There's only so much of them, and sometimes it's a combination of both.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 26, 2013, 02:40:51 pm
Post by: kaenneth on March 26, 2013, 04:34:42 pm
Post by: GuesssWho on March 26, 2013, 09:55:33 pm
The oceans won't rise from Global Warming because God promised there wouldn't be another flood. (paraphrased)
Seriously? But God isn't causing global warming, we are! In any case, the Great Flood was probably the Black Sea filling in. (I think it was the Black Sea.) Same as Atlantis.
Post by: Sirus on March 26, 2013, 09:56:38 pm
...The oceans won't rise from Global Warming because God promised there wouldn't be another flood. (paraphrased)
Seriously? But God isn't causing global warming, we are! In any case, the Great Flood was probably the Black Sea filling in. (I think it was the Black Sea.) Same as Atlantis.
...
...not sure if ASTYHPS thread material or sarcasm...
Post by: GuesssWho on March 26, 2013, 09:59:31 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on March 26, 2013, 10:14:23 pm
Why, what's wrong with it? We are causing global warming, and at least one of the seas in that area was a valley until a natural dam broke a few thousand years ago.
The oceans won't rise from Global Warming because God promised there wouldn't be another flood. (paraphrased)Seriously? But God isn't causing global warming, we are! In any case, the Great Flood was probably the Black Sea filling in. (I think it was the Black Sea.) Same as Atlantis.
In any case, the Great Flood was probably the Black Sea filling in. (I think it was the Black Sea.) Same as Atlantis.
Same as Atlantis.
Atlantis.
Post by: Descan on March 26, 2013, 10:26:27 pm
Use the tags people! They're there for a reason!
Post by: varsovie on March 26, 2013, 10:37:25 pm
We are causing global warmingAnother who listen the demagogic of Al Gore instead of science.
Post by: Xantalos on March 26, 2013, 10:42:09 pm
listen the demagogicThat is an interesting word.
Post by: Putnam on March 26, 2013, 10:43:33 pm
We are causing global warmingAnother who listen the demagogic of Al Gore instead of science.
Science says that we're causing global warming, believe it or not.
Example:
http://www.planetforlife.com//images/icecore.gif
Post by: GuesssWho on March 26, 2013, 11:00:24 pm
And yes, we are totally causing global warming. I thought everyone but the loonies knew that by now.
Post by: Putnam on March 26, 2013, 11:09:42 pm
Post by: Max White on March 26, 2013, 11:16:55 pm
Another who listen the demagogic of Al Gore instead of science.Wait, you mean we aren't causing global warming?
And you know of scientific evidence to support this?
Please, I love being corrected! Tell me about this science! Link me to articles! Inform me about scientists who don't agree with human induced climate change.
I want nothing but truth, so please, enlighten me.
Post by: Sirus on March 26, 2013, 11:18:29 pm
Post by: i2amroy on March 26, 2013, 11:22:33 pm
Indeed, right now (per my thermodynamic's lecture on new uses of green technologies) something like 95%+ of experts out there agree that humans are causing global warming. Whether or not global warming is occurring is not a political question, and it's a terrible and embarrassing fact that it has become so in the U.S. Global warming has, and always will be, a scientific question. Whether or not we do anything about global warming is a completely political question though.Another who listen the demagogic of Al Gore instead of science.Wait, you mean we aren't causing global warming?
And you know of scientific evidence to support this?
Post by: GuesssWho on March 26, 2013, 11:41:21 pm
So who decided to try and find it, then? I'm pretty sure there are people who have . . . in any case, it could've been what Plato got the idea from.
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 26, 2013, 11:42:35 pm
Post by: GuesssWho on March 26, 2013, 11:43:28 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on March 26, 2013, 11:43:39 pm
You can ignore the first twelve pages of attempted justification added after they were called out on it.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 26, 2013, 11:48:00 pm
Post by: Putnam on March 26, 2013, 11:49:31 pm
Post by: Sirus on March 26, 2013, 11:52:40 pm
I never got intelligent design. Are they saying something intentionally sparked evolution, or that it doesn't happen at all? Because if they're saying it doesn't happen at all I think I give up on the human race.Depends on who you're talking to. Some think that an intelligence started the whole thing but let it run. Others think that an intelligence guided every step of the process, or that individual creatures and plants kinda "decided" to grow lungs or legs. And then there are the hardcore crowd who think that everything was created "as is".
Post by: GuesssWho on March 26, 2013, 11:55:09 pm
It's not like there's a real difference in outcome or anything. Well, except with the Creationist looneytunes. Those guys don't know what they're talking about.
Post by: Sirus on March 27, 2013, 12:04:12 am
At least, that's the way I understand it.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 27, 2013, 12:11:25 am
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 12:18:06 am
Nobody is pushing to have creationism or any sort of religious beliefs put in a science classroom, but there are a few nut jobs claiming that there isn't enough 'spiritualism' in schools. These range from mostly harmless art types who want a meditation class where the children can 'feel free from materialistic desires and institutionalization thinking!' to the more traditional nut jobs who want a scripture class flavored to their faith of choice mandatory in all schools.
Still, a lot less here than in the US.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 27, 2013, 12:35:32 am
What really bugs me about Creationism is that a God who could create the universe 6000 years ago could also have created it last week, at which point things get a little silly. Why 6000 years ago? Why are there things obviously older than 6000 years? What kind of jerk creates a world that's been pre-aged and then punishes you for thinking it's older than it is? Why create it at all if you don't want to watch it form?
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 12:46:58 am
A non-mandatory meditation class could be cool. Mandatory would kind of defeat the whole point, though.
What really bugs me about Creationism is that a God who could create the universe 6000 years ago could also have created it last week, at which point things get a little silly. Why 6000 years ago? Why are there things obviously older than 6000 years? What kind of jerk creates a world that's been pre-aged and then punishes you for thinking it's older than it is? Why create it at all if you don't want to watch it form?
Quit poking holes in the Creationist's theories, they get upset when you do that. They try and counter with 'the human eye is far too complex to have evolved' and then we get into this: And then they get all mad, and they won't talk to you for a week. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html)
:P
In all seriousness though, I don't care what you believe as long as you don't try to force it on people. This includes your own children. -.- Don't tell your kids your belief as if that is the only option. You need to let them decide for themselves, because brainwashing is wrong.
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 12:49:59 am
Because fuck yea enlightenment! Right?
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 12:52:45 am
Fuck you I'm moving to the sticks to raise a bunch of kids and teach them that one day the aliens will come down and eat their faces if they don't believe in doing exactly as they are told and the power of democracy!
Because fuck yea enlightenment! Right?
I disagree with what you believe, and I will fight you to prevent you from polluting your children with it. :P
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 12:56:03 am
That is how it works, right?
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 12:57:42 am
But I also believe you should STFU and because you have to respect my right to believe what ever I like regardless of rationality you have to do it. Your very thought process is offensive, and must cease!
That is how it works, right?
Yes.
/me bludgeons Max to death with a two-by-four.
See, I wasn't thinking at all while I did that. Better now, Max? Max? Uh. Oops.
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 01:00:05 am
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 01:01:30 am
I also believe in reincarnation.
Does this mean you're Jesus?
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 27, 2013, 01:02:40 am
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 01:03:37 am
Does this mean you're Jesus?Yes.
In fact, no. I'm super Jesus. I'm like if Jesus made sweet love to a bald eagle that was weeping a single manly tear.
But in a total non-homoerotic way.
Post by: NobodyPro on March 27, 2013, 01:06:49 am
I believe that when people die, they die. True story.People die when you kill them.
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 01:08:44 am
I believe that when people die, they die. True story.People die when you kill them.
No... WAY. o.O I thought they were just sleeping.
Does this mean you're Jesus?Yes.
In fact, no. I'm super Jesus. I'm like if Jesus made sweet love to a bald eagle that was weeping a single manly tear.
But in a total non-homoerotic way.
Max White: President of Jesusland. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map)
Post by: GuesssWho on March 27, 2013, 01:10:57 am
Post by: Mini on March 27, 2013, 01:13:07 am
A non-mandatory meditation class could be cool.I can assure you, it is.
Post by: Devling on March 27, 2013, 01:17:30 am
Sounds like kids would not follow the idea of the class at all!A non-mandatory meditation class could be cool.I can assure you, it is.
Unless there was a no talking rule, and you had some kind of super teacher who could stop all chatter.
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 01:18:56 am
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 01:19:01 am
My personal hope is that everyone goes to Heaven, and then has to deal with the fact that everyone else is there.
This is the exact opposite of mine. Also, 'whole rant about heaven is a state of being and not a place'. I've talked about this before. I'm an atheist, but Heaven and Hell aren't places. They're the definition of being with or without God in your life. >.>
Post by: Xantalos on March 27, 2013, 02:41:26 am
That actually sounds a lot like drama class...I speak from experience when I say that this is EXACTLY drama class.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 27, 2013, 01:59:21 pm
Atlantis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypAAsmgVmhk
Post by: GuesssWho on March 27, 2013, 03:13:57 pm
My personal hope is that everyone goes to Heaven, and then has to deal with the fact that everyone else is there.
This is the exact opposite of mine. Also, 'whole rant about heaven is a state of being and not a place'. I've talked about this before. I'm an atheist, but Heaven and Hell aren't places. They're the definition of being with or without God in your life. >.>
But I want an afterlife, damn it! :D The idea of nothing after death is horrible. :'(
And back on topic: when my parents decided to move to Hawaii the response of my grandmother, who lives in Michigan, was "But darling, it's sooo bleak there!"
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 27, 2013, 03:22:19 pm
But I want an afterlife, damn it! The idea of nothing after death is horrible.In classical religion the Gods were powerful - but they never knew what it was like to be mortal, to die. This made mankind something different.
In any case I view things more differently.
If we take our universe and observe it: It is in three dimensions.
We have our z axis, y axis and our x axis.
What if we looked at a single segment of our universe, ignoring an entire axis as it progressed forwards?
Essentially what I'm getting at is time. If time is our fourth axis of the universe, past, present and the future are really not all that separate. We do not look at a single slice of a cube and deny its previous and progressing segments - the entire cube is constant, even if we can only see one segment at a time.
In this way you will always exist in the same existence. Alive, dead, even before you truly physically manifest - you are there as a possibility. The same eternal existence we live and die the same time every time. So enjoy life! It's joy well found.
Post by: MaximumZero on March 27, 2013, 08:18:23 pm
But I want an afterlife, damn it! :D The idea of nothing after death is horrible. :'(I find it very comforting.
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 08:20:29 pm
But I want an afterlife, damn it! :D The idea of nothing after death is horrible. :'(Before you were born, for millions of years, you were in a state pretty much identical to death.
Was it really that horrible?
Post by: GuesssWho on March 27, 2013, 08:29:14 pm
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 08:39:04 pm
But... You don't. There are no alternatives, no other options.
Reality doesn't shape itself to your will. It doesn't matter how much you with and hope and believe in an after life, that won't make one appear. In a similar way, if there is one, then it doesn't matter how many people don't believe in it, it will not just go away. There is no choice to be made, you get the hand you are dealt.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 27, 2013, 09:22:16 pm
Conan was too awesome to have ever actually existed in our universe. The Barbarian, that is, not the Late Night Television Host.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypAAsmgVmhkAtlantis.
Post by: Iceblaster on March 27, 2013, 09:33:05 pm
"HOLY FLUFF A POODLE!"
"HOLY FLOOFY COWS!"
I don't know why but... I say stupid things when I'm frightened
Post by: Devling on March 27, 2013, 09:35:47 pm
???I think he meant something like, before he was born he didn't know what is was like to be alive.
But... You don't. There are no alternatives, no other options.
Reality doesn't shape itself to your will. It doesn't matter how much you with and hope and believe in an after life, that won't make one appear. In a similar way, if there is one, then it doesn't matter how many people don't believe in it, it will not just go away. There is no choice to be made, you get the hand you are dealt.
And now that he is alive he would rather continue that way.
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 09:38:31 pm
???I think he meant something like, before he was born he didn't know what is was like to be alive.
But... You don't. There are no alternatives, no other options.
Reality doesn't shape itself to your will. It doesn't matter how much you with and hope and believe in an after life, that won't make one appear. In a similar way, if there is one, then it doesn't matter how many people don't believe in it, it will not just go away. There is no choice to be made, you get the hand you are dealt.
And now that he is alive he would rather continue that way.
But death is the most amazing mystery you will ever encounter. o.O Why would you want to deny yourself that?
Post by: GuesssWho on March 27, 2013, 09:55:25 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 09:57:24 pm
Because I don't like surprises. When I was little I'd open my Christmas presents on the 22nd or so because I couldn't stand the suspense.
... Studies have shown that the most fun part of vacation is not vacation itself, but the three weeks prior to vacation. Your happiness levels are at maximum for those three weeks, but vacation is more often more stressful than normal life, and generally leaves you in a stressed state.
Suspense is the best part of anything. o.O Your brain chemicals say so.
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 09:58:59 pm
I always have good holidays, because I always figure out how I'm going to make everything work to have as little fuckery before hand.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 27, 2013, 10:01:58 pm
I'd feel better about death if I knew what came next and could prepare, but yeah.
Post by: Fenrir on March 27, 2013, 10:02:05 pm
This is the exact opposite of mine. Also, 'whole rant about heaven is a state of being and not a place'. I've talked about this before. I'm an atheist, but Heaven and Hell aren't places. They're the definition of being with or without God in your life. >.>Not necessarily. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_(Christianity)) If that is what everyone meant by the words, it would make the first line of The Lord's Prayer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Prayer) rather ridiculous. “Our father, who art in heaven...” I mean, I’m sure God has himself in his life, but I doubt anyone would bother to say it.
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 10:08:34 pm
Well, I'm not like that. I worry and get sick with anticipation and feel like screaming. I read the end of mysteries first, too.
I'd feel better about death if I knew what came next and could prepare, but yeah.
Wait. Enhance.
Well, I'm not like that. I worry and get sick with anticipation and feel like screaming. I read the end of mysteries first, too.
Enhance.
I read the end of mysteries first, too.
For the love of god, ENHANCE.
I read the end of mysteries first, too.
My god man... o.o I... I can't help you. You have severed the thread of prophecy. Either persist in this doomed world you have created for yourself, or regress to a previous save point. :P
Well, I'm not like that. I worry and get sick with anticipation and feel like screaming. I read the end of mysteries first, too.
I'd feel better about death if I knew what came next and could prepare, but yeah.
Now for the reply where I'm not joking around. This is an interesting reaction. I'm not a psychologist, but I want to say that this is some kind of reaction to being out of control of the situation. I'm a very laid back person, and not being in control of a situation doesn't bother me because I know me being in control is equally likely to make it better OR worse and thus I generally just roll with the punches. Do you generally resist outcomes you didn't have a hand in? I'm just asking because you've made me curious and my curiosity is an insatiable black hole of knowledge consumption.
Post by: Descan on March 27, 2013, 10:14:55 pm
Because all signs point to that mystery being "well I have nothing to do now". Except there isn't even an -I- to say that! And I LIKE having an I!???I think he meant something like, before he was born he didn't know what is was like to be alive.
But... You don't. There are no alternatives, no other options.
Reality doesn't shape itself to your will. It doesn't matter how much you with and hope and believe in an after life, that won't make one appear. In a similar way, if there is one, then it doesn't matter how many people don't believe in it, it will not just go away. There is no choice to be made, you get the hand you are dealt.
And now that he is alive he would rather continue that way.
But death is the most amazing mystery you will ever encounter. o.O Why would you want to deny yourself that?
When the alternative is to fuck around in the universe for a good few billion years, see everything seeable and figure out how to break entropy and make the party last forever, I think I can take not knowing what it's like to be in a dirt box in the ground.
Besides, I've heard of no afterlife that I'd actually like. Even Valhalla is not my cup of tea, it's all fighting and boozing, no discovery!
It's why I'm going into neuroscience, so I can make sure -I- am around, not in the ground, and not someone else impersonating me because I broke mental continuity by scanning my brain and shoving the copy in a computer, then destroying the original. (Whoever thought up that idea is irrevocably stupid, if they couldn't grasp "Heeey... That would just be a copy... Not me... :C")
Edit: Curiosity! THAT'S why! Because sure, maybe death is a great big party. But, I AM going to die. Eventually. Hopefully never, but eventually -something- is going to happen. It's very hard, if not impossible, for me to make sure death NEVER happens. And when I do die, whether it's tomorrow or at the end of all time, THEN I can find out what's happening, if anything.
In the MEAN time, I'd like to stick around and discover everything I can, which is best handled by being an immortal machine god. I mean, it's just simple logic.
Post by: MaximumZero on March 27, 2013, 10:23:22 pm
I would be okay with Valhalla. Right up until Ragnarok, which is supposed to be the end of time.Because all signs point to that mystery being "well I have nothing to do now". Except there isn't even an -I- to say that! And I LIKE having an I!???I think he meant something like, before he was born he didn't know what is was like to be alive.
But... You don't. There are no alternatives, no other options.
Reality doesn't shape itself to your will. It doesn't matter how much you with and hope and believe in an after life, that won't make one appear. In a similar way, if there is one, then it doesn't matter how many people don't believe in it, it will not just go away. There is no choice to be made, you get the hand you are dealt.
And now that he is alive he would rather continue that way.
But death is the most amazing mystery you will ever encounter. o.O Why would you want to deny yourself that?
When the alternative is to fuck around in the universe for a good few billion years, see everything seeable and figure out how to break entropy and make the party last forever, I think I can take not knowing what it's like to be in a dirt box in the ground.
Besides, I've heard of no afterlife that I'd actually like. Even Valhalla is not my cup of tea, it's all fighting and boozing, no discovery!
It's why I'm going into neuroscience, so I can make sure -I- am around, not in the ground, and not someone else impersonating me because I broke mental continuity by scanning my brain and shoving the copy in a computer, then destroying the original. (Whoever thought up that idea is irrevocably stupid, if they couldn't grasp "Heeey... That would just be a copy... Not me... :C")
Edit: Curiosity! THAT'S why! Because sure, maybe death is a great big party. But, I AM going to die. Eventually. Hopefully never, but eventually -something- is going to happen. It's very hard, if not impossible, for me to make sure death NEVER happens. And when I do die, whether it's tomorrow or at the end of all time, THEN I can find out what's happening, if anything.
In the MEAN time, I'd like to stick around and discover everything I can, which is best handled by being an immortal machine god. I mean, it's just simple logic.
Post by: SalmonGod on March 27, 2013, 10:36:26 pm
Post by: Devling on March 27, 2013, 10:39:49 pm
Meh. I personally would prefer some kind of inter-universal reincarnation.I think my preferable death scenario lines up with this one.
No end, and you can't remember what happened last time, so it doesn't really get boring.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 27, 2013, 10:42:04 pm
Heck, even floating in a void of nothingness after the end of the universe is preferable to death, and that's if you don't figure out how to stop entropic decay or hop back into a different, younger universe. If you got really good with one-way travel between universes and times you'd potentially have an infinite lifespan, given that the number of potential universes is already infinite and every time you jumped you would create a new cluster.
But
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 10:42:49 pm
'You', that is everything that makes you who you are, ends either way.
Post by: Xantalos on March 27, 2013, 10:43:31 pm
???I intend to beg to differ.
But... You don't. There are no alternatives, no other options.
Reality doesn't shape itself to your will. It doesn't matter how much you with and hope and believe in an after life, that won't make one appear. In a similar way, if there is one, then it doesn't matter how many people don't believe in it, it will not just go away. There is no choice to be made, you get the hand you are dealt.
Post by: Devling on March 27, 2013, 10:44:46 pm
What is the difference between dying and being reincarnation with no memory of past events?Yes, but in some sense you still exist. Even though you don't have your memories, you still kinda have your inbuilt nature.
'You', that is everything that makes you who you are, ends either way.
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 10:45:32 pm
Yes, but in some sense you still exist. Even though you don't have your memories, you still kinda have your inbuilt nature.What inbuilt nature? Explain. What is inbuilt nature? What does it do? What makes it what it is?
Post by: SalmonGod on March 27, 2013, 10:46:27 pm
Meh. I personally would prefer some kind of inter-universal reincarnation.I think my preferable death scenario lines up with this one.
No end, and you can't remember what happened last time, so it doesn't really get boring.
If you can't remember what happened last time, then how is it still you? Something I still have trouble wrapping my head around regarding reincarnation. Unless you also believe that your spirit evolves over time, developing an innate wisdom, or that you eventually achieve enlightenment and your enlightened self transcends the confines of space/time. Then it makes sense. Note: both these ideas were discussed as actual spiritual beliefs by my buddhist philosophy professor, who was personal friends with a high level rinpoche.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 27, 2013, 10:47:22 pm
I also don't want the really depressing kind of immortality where you go insane with boredom after a while.
Essentially I'd like to be on really good drugs for eternity LOL
Post by: Devling on March 27, 2013, 10:47:41 pm
Well, I imagine that if a reincarnation system did exist, you when you are reincarnated you still have some nature left over from your old life. (Nature in the sense of nature vs nurture.)Yes, but in some sense you still exist. Even though you don't have your memories, you still kinda have your inbuilt nature.What inbuilt nature? Explain. What is inbuilt nature? What does it do? What makes it what it is?
Post by: Flying Dice on March 27, 2013, 10:47:54 pm
What is the difference between dying and being reincarnation with no memory of past events?
'You', that is everything that makes you who you are, ends either way.
None. Physical death isn't the issue, it's the death of the self. The only reason our shells dying matters is because our self is (for the moment) inexorably linked to our body. If you could work out reincarnation with persistence of self (which would obviously require always reincarnating as a sentient being similar enough to your original form for your mind to fit properly), all would be well.
For that matter, a human immortal would probably need to resort to mindwiping themselves of a lot of day-to-day activity on a fairly regular (read: every few thousand years) basis in order to avoid some of the worst aspects of boredom; reincarnation like that could sidestep the issue by only carrying over the basic identity and perhaps a few crucial memories from each past life.
Is anyone else finding it incredibly difficult to avoid quoting from a certain Dylan Thomas villanelle? :P
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 10:50:01 pm
Well, I imagine that if a reincarnation system did exist, you when you are reincarnated you still have some nature left over from your old life. (Nature in the sense of nature vs nurture.)Oh, well in that case, yea, I can pretty much confirm this to actually happen and be a fact as much as anything else.
Hereditary is a thing you know. Your children will have some of your 'nature', as opposed to 'nurture' when you die, so that carries on.
Good news for people who like reincarnation, turns out it is true.
Post by: GuesssWho on March 27, 2013, 10:50:51 pm
Did I get it right, FlyingDice?
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 10:52:45 pm
Yeah, I want to know who I am. Having to start over from scratch would suck.
I also don't want the really depressing kind of immortality where you go insane with boredom after a while.
Essentially I'd like to be on really good drugs for eternity LOL
I've been on REALLY good drugs. You may be underestimating how fun protracted inebriation is. There is a reason shrooms only get you high for six hours, because if they lasted longer, you would start having not-fun REALLY FAST.
Post by: Xantalos on March 27, 2013, 10:53:46 pm
Totally cribbing from Palpatine here.
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 10:55:50 pm
Personally I'm going to try to create a bunch of inert clone bodies and work out a way to possess them when my body dies.
Totally cribbing from Palpatine here.
I would be cool with living to an extreme age, like an elf/dwarf. Like 250 years would be my maximum.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 27, 2013, 11:05:24 pm
Faith in their hands shall snap in two/And unicorn evils run them through/Split all ends up they shan't crack/And Death shall have no dominion.
Did I get it right, FlyingDice?
I was shooting for a much more obvious target than that. :P
Also, "And death shall have no dominion" isn't a villanelle.
Though admittedly it fits the tone of my past few posts much more precisely, even if "Do not go gentle into that good night" more closely resembles the reality of the matter. And now I'm desperately trying to stave off contemplation of death shortly before sleep yet again. T.T
Post by: GuesssWho on March 27, 2013, 11:08:15 pm
And I don't mean literal drugs, just something really nice.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 27, 2013, 11:12:45 pm
Post by: Frumple on March 27, 2013, 11:13:48 pm
But yeah. I'd be really happy with nonexistence. Sounds nice, t'me. I'd be equally happy with afterlife, especially if it entailed divinity. Then I could spend a few million years wreaking vengeance on the fuckers for the suffering of my people.
Post by: Putnam on March 27, 2013, 11:18:50 pm
Post by: Frumple on March 27, 2013, 11:21:12 pm
Metaphysics is the best drug. Maybe a sideline of epistemology t'go with it. S'all good. Can ride the rhetorihigh, too.
Post by: Putnam on March 27, 2013, 11:22:00 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on March 27, 2013, 11:23:13 pm
Post by: Frumple on March 27, 2013, 11:23:48 pm
by tokens and types, I mean [EQUIPS] and CREATURE :P... whatever floats yeh, brah. Sorta' an infusion of logic down that path. A little. It'll do.
Post by: Xantalos on March 27, 2013, 11:32:03 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on March 27, 2013, 11:37:31 pm
by tokens and types, I mean [EQUIPS] and CREATURE :PYou've found the RAW files for real life!? :o
Post by: Fenrir on March 27, 2013, 11:39:18 pm
None. Physical death isn't the issue, it's the death of the self. The only reason our shells dying matters is because our self is (for the moment) inexorably linked to our body. If you could work out reincarnation with persistence of self (which would obviously require always reincarnating as a sentient being similar enough to your original form for your mind to fit properly), all would be well.
Hereditary is a thing you know. Your children will have some of your 'nature', as opposed to 'nurture' when you die, so that carries on.
Good news for people who like reincarnation, turns out it is true.
But yeah. I'd be really happy with nonexistence. Sounds nice, t'me.I don’t know how serious you are all being, so I can give you the benefit of the doubt, but this is facepalm worthy if you are serious.
Post by: Max White on March 27, 2013, 11:42:04 pm
I don’t know how serious you are all being, so I can give you the benefit of the doubt, but this is facepalm worthy if you are serious.Oh, you think I am not serious? :P Ye of little faith.
Reincarnation was defined as passing on ones genetic traits (described as 'inbuilt nature') onto a new life form. How is that not pretty simple genetics? Please, enlighten me, where did I go wrong?
Post by: SalmonGod on March 27, 2013, 11:42:52 pm
I don’t know how serious you are all being, so I can give you the benefit of the doubt, but this is facepalm worthy if you are serious.
Hey, we're trying to enjoy our imminent deaths! Don't end our fun times!
Post by: Hanslanda on March 27, 2013, 11:44:04 pm
I don’t know how serious you are all being, so I can give you the benefit of the doubt, but this is facepalm worthy if you are serious.
Hey, we're trying to enjoy our imminent deaths! Don't end our fun times!
I am totally serious about looking forward to nonexistence.
Post by: Frumple on March 27, 2013, 11:45:57 pm
Post by: SalmonGod on March 27, 2013, 11:53:38 pm
I don’t know how serious you are all being, so I can give you the benefit of the doubt, but this is facepalm worthy if you are serious.
Hey, we're trying to enjoy our imminent deaths! Don't end our fun times!
I am totally serious about looking forward to nonexistence.
By definition, it can't be bad.
No matter what, there's no believable post-death scenario that I think would be bad. The only reason I want to put it off for as long as possible, is because I don't see myself running out of stuff to do with this life for hundreds of years at least. Boredom is what happens when other people hijack my time.
And as Woody Allen so eloquently put it: "I'm not afraid of death. I just don't want to be there when it happens."
Post by: Flying Dice on March 27, 2013, 11:57:02 pm
Fenrir, I was being less than serious with the reincarnation bits.
Post by: penguinofhonor on March 28, 2013, 12:01:24 am
Post by: SalmonGod on March 28, 2013, 12:02:11 am
But that's not a believable scenario. None of the negative post-death possibilities I've encountered make very much sense.
Post by: Max White on March 28, 2013, 12:05:09 am
Oblivion over agony any day.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 28, 2013, 12:30:14 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 28, 2013, 09:09:56 am
Even in an "eternal agony at the whim of the infinite creator" type scenario, I'd still prefer that to nonexistence because I would still have the capacity to hope.Plus, immortality. Aw yeah. I'd prefer sickness to death any day.
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 28, 2013, 09:24:42 am
Post by: kaijyuu on March 28, 2013, 09:29:24 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 28, 2013, 09:29:55 am
Ah, but will he be able to defeat God's right hand man, Bruce Lee?All we can do is pray.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 28, 2013, 09:47:34 am
And find Jackie Chan a good buddy-cop while ensuring that there will be plenty of props strewn about the area.Ah, but will he be able to defeat God's right hand man, Bruce Lee?All we can do is pray.
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 28, 2013, 09:51:07 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: MaximumZero on March 28, 2013, 10:49:46 am
Ah, but will he be able to defeat God's right hand man, Bruce Lee?Don't forget his right foot man, Chuck Norris, who owes a debt of servitude to the one man to defeat him in hand-to-hand combat, Bruce Lee.
Post by: Hanslanda on March 28, 2013, 12:12:31 pm
Ah, but will he be able to defeat God's right hand man, Bruce Lee?Don't forget his right foot man, Chuck Norris, who owes a debt of servitude to the one man to defeat him in hand-to-hand combat, Bruce Lee.
The left hand is Stephen Colbert because it's ironic that he's on the left hand. The left foot is Simo Hayha, who can lay claim to the longest uninterrupted killstreak in all of camper history.
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 28, 2013, 12:13:51 pm
Post by: Fenrir on March 28, 2013, 12:22:15 pm
Rolling your own Personal Dictionary (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PersonalDictionary) is a completely useless activity unless you mean to pull some lingual shenanigans.I don’t know how serious you are all being, so I can give you the benefit of the doubt, but this is facepalm worthy if you are serious.Oh, you think I am not serious? :P Ye of little faith.
Reincarnation was defined as passing on ones genetic traits (described as 'inbuilt nature') onto a new life form. How is that not pretty simple genetics? Please, enlighten me, where did I go wrong?
Good news for people who like reincarnation, turns out it is true.When people wonder if reincarnation is true, do you really think that they are asking “Are traits passed from parent to offspring?” We’ve known that since before anyone even knew what a gene was. You’ve taken “reincarnationMax White” and feigned it was “reincarnation”.
This is a more extreme example of your
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I define “God” to mean toasters.
Toasters are a thing you know.
Good news to people who like God, turns out he’s real.
Redefine a word, prove that its new referent is true, valid, or in existence, then go right back to using the original definition like you were using it all along—not necessarily on purpose, either.
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 28, 2013, 01:07:14 pm
Uerjm... THE PLACE IN TEH FACE
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 28, 2013, 01:08:31 pm
Post by: Xantalos on March 28, 2013, 01:39:32 pm
I might be able to respect this god.Ah, but will he be able to defeat God's right hand man, Bruce Lee?Don't forget his right foot man, Chuck Norris, who owes a debt of servitude to the one man to defeat him in hand-to-hand combat, Bruce Lee.
The left hand is Stephen Colbert because it's ironic that he's on the left hand. The left foot is Simo Hayha, who can lay claim to the longest uninterrupted killstreak in all of camper history.
Wait. Who is the chest of god, then? The mouth is obviously BILLY MAYS or BRIAN BLESSED.
Post by: Devling on March 28, 2013, 02:21:43 pm
Post by: Oliolli on March 28, 2013, 03:51:44 pm
Ah, but will he be able to defeat God's right hand man, Bruce Lee?Don't forget his right foot man, Chuck Norris, who owes a debt of servitude to the one man to defeat him in hand-to-hand combat, Bruce Lee.
The left hand is Stephen Colbert because it's ironic that he's on the left hand. The left foot is Simo Häyhä, who can lay claim to the longest uninterrupted killstreak in all of camper history.
Fixed. Plus, Häyhä survived an explosive bullet to the head.
Post by: Hanslanda on March 28, 2013, 09:57:16 pm
Ah, but will he be able to defeat God's right hand man, Bruce Lee?Don't forget his right foot man, Chuck Norris, who owes a debt of servitude to the one man to defeat him in hand-to-hand combat, Bruce Lee.
The left hand is Stephen Colbert because it's ironic that he's on the left hand. The left foot is Simo Häyhä, who can lay claim to the longest uninterrupted killstreak in all of camper history.
Fixed. Plus, Häyhä survived an explosive bullet to the head.
My keyboard doesn't support wierdy letters like that without Alt codes and I'm way too lazy to google alt codes.
The chest of this god would probably be some horrific Frankensteinian mishmash of Arnold Schwarzeneggar, Martin Luther King Jr., George Washington, and the Viking at Stamford Bridge.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 29, 2013, 12:08:18 am
Ah, but will he be able to defeat God's right hand man, Bruce Lee?Don't forget his right foot man, Chuck Norris, who owes a debt of servitude to the one man to defeat him in hand-to-hand combat, Bruce Lee.
The left hand is Stephen Colbert because it's ironic that he's on the left hand. The left foot is Simo Häyhä, who can lay claim to the longest uninterrupted killstreak in all of camper history.
Fixed. Plus, Häyhä survived an explosive bullet to the head.
My keyboard doesn't support wierdy letters like that without Alt codes and I'm way too lazy to google alt codes.
The chest of this god would probably be some horrific Frankensteinian mishmash of Arnold Schwarzeneggar, Martin Luther King Jr., George Washington, and the Viking at Stamford Bridge.
You know, I can actually understand Washington having a spot there. George Washington: He'll kill you in your sleep. On Christmas.
Post by: Simmura McCrea on March 29, 2013, 12:10:30 am
You know, I can actually understand Washington having a spot there. George Washington: He'll kill you in your sleep. On Christmas.Relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc).
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 29, 2013, 12:10:46 am
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 29, 2013, 12:11:10 am
Post by: Simmura McCrea on March 29, 2013, 12:18:08 am
Post by: Devling on March 29, 2013, 01:28:27 am
Dat ninja.I'm inclined to believe this, mostly because holy fuck he had bullet holes in his uniform and had his horse shot from under him and he didn't have a scratch.
Post by: MrWillsauce on March 29, 2013, 01:31:15 am
Post by: fractalman on March 29, 2013, 01:49:04 am
That's not stupid...
That's fridge horror.
Open fridge horror.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on March 29, 2013, 06:33:43 am
if you followed the conversation you'd see that max wasn't rolling his own personal definition of reincarnation, he was replying to devling's, pointing out that his description of reincarnation matches the description of genetic hereditarity.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ye of little faith.i agree that reincarnation without preserved memories isn't really reincarnation any more than passing down genes to your children is. on the other hand, after my father passed away, i did find some comfort in the notion that some part of his mind still lives inside mine, to the point that i'm reconsidering my decision to not have children so that i and he can keep living in a way. it does help that he and i had a lot in common in both looks and personality(minus baldness, thanks mom!), and even shared our first name
Post by: Devling on March 29, 2013, 06:36:49 am
Post by: Max White on March 29, 2013, 06:37:47 am
Yea, what Askot said. I asked for a definition, not gave my own. If anybody wants to give another, I can play on that field too!
Post by: trekkie5249 on April 03, 2013, 01:00:27 am
Post by: Graknorke on April 03, 2013, 12:08:30 pm
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The water [in the blue lagoon] isn't actually blue, the chemicals in it just mostly reflect blue light.
This kind of threw me for a bit since they pretty much said that the water isn't blue, because it is blue.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 03, 2013, 01:39:57 pm
QuoteThe water [in the blue lagoon] isn't actually blue, the chemicals in it just mostly reflect blue light.
This kind of threw me for a bit since they pretty much said that the water isn't blue, because it is blue.
It's technically accurate (matter isn't colored, it absorbs certain wavelengths of visible light), but depending on the context it could just be someone being obnoxiously specific.
Post by: Dutchling on April 03, 2013, 01:43:10 pm
Post by: Descan on April 03, 2013, 01:56:19 pm
Still a bit misleading, though.
Post by: Xantalos on April 03, 2013, 01:57:21 pm
Post by: GuesssWho on April 03, 2013, 08:38:25 pm
Post by: Putnam on April 03, 2013, 08:41:22 pm
Isn't it blue because it reflects the sky? So it's not innately blue.
This isn't true; it's blue for the same reason the sky is, but not because of the sky.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 03, 2013, 08:48:36 pm
Isn't it blue because it reflects the sky? So it's not innately blue.
This isn't true; it's blue for the same reason the sky is, but not because of the sky.
Wouldn't it be more because water under certain conditions forms a reflective surface akin to a mirror, even though it is actually transparent (when pure; obviously water laced with a chemical can be colored)? Water reflecting the sky appears as the same color as the sky because of the way the sky filters light, and reflects other objects as the colors they appear as for the same reasons. Water doesn't filter or reflect certain wavelengths of light, it either does or does not reflect (or, quite often, both at once); when the water appears blue it is because it is reflecting an image of the sky (which happens to be blue) rather than because it absorbs all other wavelengths of light, for the same reason that we don't say that a mirror is blue when we lay it on the ground outside. A colored tint underwater is due to light which is refracted rather than reflected.
Or maybe my brain is fuzzy tonight.
Post by: Sirus on April 03, 2013, 08:52:26 pm
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it is because it is reflecting an image of the sky (which happens to be blue) rather than because it absorbs all other wavelengths of light, for the same reason that we don't say that a mirror is blue when we lay it on the ground outside. A colored tint underwater is due to light which is refracted rather than reflected.
Spoiler: NASA disagrees (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on April 03, 2013, 09:32:27 pm
Quoteit is because it is reflecting an image of the sky (which happens to be blue) rather than because it absorbs all other wavelengths of light, for the same reason that we don't say that a mirror is blue when we lay it on the ground outside. A colored tint underwater is due to light which is refracted rather than reflected.Spoiler: NASA disagrees (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Chlorinated (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-chlorinated, outside under a clear sky (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-chlorinated, outside with an overcast sky (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-chlorinated, inside (click to show/hide)
But eh, layman here.
Post by: Max White on April 03, 2013, 09:41:19 pm
You do understand that the sides of that pool are colored blue, and the water is transparent, right?Spoiler: NASA disagrees (click to show/hide)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 03, 2013, 09:50:23 pm
Post by: Sirus on April 03, 2013, 09:51:13 pm
I couldn't find any images of the pool when empty (not surprisingly, considering how much water is in that thing) and I'm tired of idle speculation, so I decided to just look it up:You do understand that the sides of that pool are colored blue, and the water is transparent, right?Spoiler: NASA disagrees (click to show/hide)
Water is weakly blue, more apparent with larger quantities. Impurities and ambient colors (like the sky) can change what it looks like. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_of_water)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 03, 2013, 09:54:22 pm
Post by: fractalman on April 04, 2013, 01:33:45 am
But basically, the perceived color depends, primarily, upon the SIZE of the suspended particles.
Post by: Cthulhu on April 04, 2013, 07:09:14 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 04, 2013, 07:12:26 am
There's a discussion of communism on another forum I frequent. Instead of the usual tactics when the inevitable Stalin arguments come up, the current Communism proponent has taken a different route: The USSR was great, the holodomor didn't happen and the gulags weren't that bad.CHECKMATE ATHEISTS
Post by: Flying Dice on April 04, 2013, 09:24:53 am
There's a discussion of communism on another forum I frequent. Instead of the usual tactics when the inevitable Stalin arguments come up, the current Communism proponent has taken a different route: The USSR was great, the holodomor didn't happen and the gulags weren't that bad.
What. Have you seen the person's typical arguments before, or is there some slim chance that they're trolling? Because if you're trying to mount a defense of communism one would think that a key point would be discrediting Stalin as a communist leader in the same way that Hitler should be discredited as an example of a normal democratically elected leader.
I hate it when I can't tell if someone is being deliberately obtuse or is just stupid.
Post by: Descan on April 04, 2013, 09:53:08 am
The response in either case is to the denounce the person, and ignore their argument.
Post by: fractalman on April 04, 2013, 01:34:13 pm
I replied, "...tl:dr: If Obama AlQueda, Obama bomba da world already".
Post by: Cthulhu on April 04, 2013, 05:19:20 pm
In cases like that, the person is either incredibly stupid, or just trolling.
The response in either case is to the denounce the person, and ignore their argument.
Relevant to the thread. Never ever ever just dismiss somebody like this, that's not how you should undertake a discussion.
Post by: Descan on April 04, 2013, 05:21:22 pm
I'll grant you a trickle-effect on the audience, just because the person you're arguing with won't listen doesn't mean it won't affect people reading/listening, but you're not always going to have an audience.
Post by: MaximumZero on April 04, 2013, 08:51:54 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on April 04, 2013, 09:28:48 pm
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How do they know the singularity is in the center if they can't even see the black hole in the first place? It's trillions of miles away too, how do they calculate this stuff?
I was tempted to snarkly remark "!!SCIENCE!!" but I didn't. What I found "Stupid" was that the term singularity is simply the term for the black hole's center of mass, which can be assumed is the most dense part of the hole because it's the center. The center is probably gonna be in the middle of the hole, that's what makes a center a center. Likewise gravity draws everything towards the center of mass, therefore black holes suck everything down to the singularity point. They could just as easily have named the center "Bob the Horrific Suck-Hole of Spaghetti Noodles" and achieve the same results, with slightly more awesome.
Anyway. Woo, high school senior level astronomy class!
Post by: Max White on April 04, 2013, 09:33:07 pm
None of this 'escape velocity >= c' bullshit. Next you will be telling me they don't have spiraling arms!
Post by: Hanslanda on April 04, 2013, 09:34:53 pm
Because black holes are in fact mystic space portals that defy physics and send you through space and time, right?
None of this 'escape velocity >= c' bullshit. Next you will be telling me they don't have spiraling arms!
Black holes: They're basically just a really fucking heavy rock in space. So heavy that their gravity bends light. They're not actually holes, nor are they black.
Post by: Putnam on April 04, 2013, 09:35:42 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on April 04, 2013, 09:38:37 pm
To an outside observer, someone falling into a black hole would just stop falling at some point and kind of hover there. Although, the person falling in would start falling slower and slower until they spaghettified, but you know. Details.
Post by: Putnam on April 04, 2013, 09:39:29 pm
Post by: Max White on April 04, 2013, 09:39:58 pm
Black holes: They're basically just a really fucking heavy rock in space. So heavy that their gravity bends light. They're not actually holes, nor are they black.Hey, I've watched tv, you can't fool me.
A black hole is the astral equivalent of drugs. You go through and everything gets all wavy and when you come out you aren't sure where you parked your car.
Post by: Sirus on April 04, 2013, 09:40:18 pm
I remember when I first figured that out, basically all by myself. I was so proud of myself and I didn't even realize that actual scientists probably already knew that :PBecause black holes are in fact mystic space portals that defy physics and send you through space and time, right?
None of this 'escape velocity >= c' bullshit. Next you will be telling me they don't have spiraling arms!
Black holes: They're basically just a really fucking heavy rock in space. So heavy that their gravity bends light. They're not actually holes, nor are they black.
Holy crap so many ninjas.
Post by: Hanslanda on April 04, 2013, 09:40:53 pm
Black holes: They're basically just a really fucking heavy rock in space. So heavy that their gravity bends light. They're not actually holes, nor are they black.Hey, I've watched tv, you can't fool me.
A black hole is the astral equivalent of drugs. You go through and everything gets all wavy and when you come out you aren't sure where you parked your car.
... I learned that on TV, brah. TV: Sometimes it contains knowledge, but that's okay, watch Family Guy instead.
Post by: Descan on April 04, 2013, 09:45:39 pm
Post by: Devling on April 04, 2013, 10:04:21 pm
Scientists are too busy going, "Oh god what is it doing to my equations?! No, oh god pi what have they done to you?! That 2 doesn't belong there! Square root of negative 1?! That's not even a real number! OH GOD OH GOD D:"WHAT HATH SCIENCE WROUGHT?
Post by: Xantalos on April 04, 2013, 11:08:33 pm
Post by: SalmonGod on April 05, 2013, 04:21:23 am
Black holes: They're basically just a really fucking heavy rock in space. So heavy that their gravity bends light. They're not actually holes, nor are they black.
So black holes are kinda like Mr. T?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 05, 2013, 06:48:56 am
They're actually not heavy, either (on a stellar scale). They're actually less heavy than the star that they came from. They're just really, really, really dense.Don't you mean mass? Because in terms of weight they kinda hold the crown.
Post by: Graknorke on April 05, 2013, 08:56:28 am
Also the really massive ones don't even have to be all that dense.They're actually not heavy, either (on a stellar scale). They're actually less heavy than the star that they came from. They're just really, really, really dense.Don't you mean mass? Because in terms of weight they kinda hold the crown.
Post by: Siquo on April 05, 2013, 09:09:42 am
Yeah, that's not true, though. They're (probably almost kinda, well theoretically at least) infinitely dense, as all mass is concentrated in a single point. The "black orb" is merely the event horizon, a region of space where even light cannot escape from (hence it's black). It's also not a "a heavy rock".Also the really massive ones don't even have to be all that dense.They're actually not heavy, either (on a stellar scale). They're actually less heavy than the star that they came from. They're just really, really, really dense.Don't you mean mass? Because in terms of weight they kinda hold the crown.
Post by: Graknorke on April 05, 2013, 09:13:16 am
I said have to be, not are.Yeah, that's not true, though. They're (probably almost kinda, well theoretically at least) infinitely dense, as all mass is concentrated in a single point. The "black orb" is merely the event horizon, a region of space where even light cannot escape from (hence it's black). It's also not a "a heavy rock".Also the really massive ones don't even have to be all that dense.They're actually not heavy, either (on a stellar scale). They're actually less heavy than the star that they came from. They're just really, really, really dense.Don't you mean mass? Because in terms of weight they kinda hold the crown.
Post by: kaijyuu on April 05, 2013, 10:09:12 am
Post by: werty892 on April 05, 2013, 10:12:14 am
Me:Why dont you drink some water?
She:But then I'm gonna hiccup it back up!
What.
And then when I was talking to a guy about CPR she interrupted us with "Fish! I love fish, i've been drawing them all morning."
Dont know if insane, or just REALLY stupid.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 05, 2013, 10:30:27 am
Hawking radiation (which is light) escapes from black holes (though only through quantum shenanigans).
Hawking rad isn't light, it's particles.
Post by: Reelya on April 05, 2013, 10:36:05 am
Hawking radiation (which is light) escapes from black holes (though only through quantum shenanigans).
Hawking rad isn't light, it's particles.
:/ You're both correct. They're photon / anti-photon pairs. So it's light and particles at the same time. Specifically, Hawking Radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation) is a type of Black-body radiation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body_radiation)
Post by: Skyrunner on April 05, 2013, 12:49:22 pm
Hawking radiation (which is light) escapes from black holes (though only through quantum shenanigans).
Hawking rad isn't light, it's particles.
:/ You're both correct. They're photon / anti-photon pairs. So it's light and particles at the same time. Specifically, Hawking Radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation) is a type of Black-body radiation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body_radiation)
Aren't all particles also light? de Broglie's equation says that any object with mass and velocity has a wavelength, though it's really small for heavy objects. Mind you, I only took AP Physics B. X3 No Quantum Physics 101.
Post by: Akura on April 05, 2013, 01:25:11 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 05, 2013, 01:29:34 pm
Overheard a guy talking about how he broke up with his bisexual girlfriend because she was checking out other girls, oftentimes girls he himself was checking out. Said he would have preferred her to check out other guys, because he believed he was more attractive than any other guy she would have looked at.Sounds like he was more angry that she was emasculating him than anything to do with jealousy.
Post by: RedKing on April 05, 2013, 01:30:32 pm
Overheard a guy talking about how he broke up with his bisexual girlfriend because she was checking out other girls, oftentimes girls he himself was checking out. Said he would have preferred her to check out other guys, because he believed he was more attractive than any other guy she would have looked at.Dude. Duuuuude. Talked about missed opportunities.
My SO is bi, and RedKing is Totally Fine With This SituationTM. :P
Post by: MonkeyHead on April 05, 2013, 01:37:40 pm
Hawking radiation (which is light) escapes from black holes (though only through quantum shenanigans).
Hawking rad isn't light, it's particles.
:/ You're both correct. They're photon / anti-photon pairs. So it's light and particles at the same time. Specifically, Hawking Radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation) is a type of Black-body radiation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body_radiation)
Aren't all particles also light? de Broglie's equation says that any object with mass and velocity has a wavelength, though it's really small for heavy objects. Mind you, I only took AP Physics B. X3 No Quantum Physics 101.
Technically, everything is in potentia as a waveform (which represents a kind of probability distribution) until you observe it, making the waveform collapse, giving whatever it is you are observing a particle like form depending on what bit of the probability distribution the wave collapsed into.
Buckyballs have been shown to have wave behavoiur, but anything larger than the Planck mass would have a wavelength shorter than the Planck length and its Schwarzchild radius, upon which point shenangians would occur.
Post by: Hanslanda on April 05, 2013, 08:35:43 pm
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Demons are real, witches conjure them up.
Said with utmost seriousness by a VERY 'Christian' person. Other topics which he spoke on: How all Muslims are terrorists, how marriage is a Christian construct and that gay people can't get married, gay people are going to hell, and some other choice comments.
I'm cool with people having religion. Religion is a neutral construct, and most people choose to use it for good. Unfortunately, idiots, bigots, and assholes can have religion too. :X
Post by: Putnam on April 05, 2013, 08:44:54 pm
They're actually not heavy, either (on a stellar scale). They're actually less heavy than the star that they came from. They're just really, really, really dense.Don't you mean mass? Because in terms of weight they kinda hold the crown.
I never mean weight.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 05, 2013, 08:54:04 pm
All right but heavy's definition is of great weightI never mean weight.They're actually not heavy, either (on a stellar scale). They're actually less heavy than the star that they came from. They're just really, really, really dense.Don't you mean mass? Because in terms of weight they kinda hold the crown.
Post by: Sirus on April 06, 2013, 01:11:49 am
Did he say anything misogynistic? Because if so, he'd qualify for a Most Stereotypical Fundamentalist award.QuoteDemons are real, witches conjure them up.
Said with utmost seriousness by a VERY 'Christian' person. Other topics which he spoke on: How all Muslims are terrorists, how marriage is a Christian construct and that gay people can't get married, gay people are going to hell, and some other choice comments.
I'm cool with people having religion. Religion is a neutral construct, and most people choose to use it for good. Unfortunately, idiots, bigots, and assholes can have religion too. :X
Post by: Flying Dice on April 06, 2013, 01:14:50 am
The "witches" comment would probably do it.Did he say anything misogynistic? Because if so, he'd qualify for a Most Stereotypical Fundamentalist award.QuoteDemons are real, witches conjure them up.
Said with utmost seriousness by a VERY 'Christian' person. Other topics which he spoke on: How all Muslims are terrorists, how marriage is a Christian construct and that gay people can't get married, gay people are going to hell, and some other choice comments.
I'm cool with people having religion. Religion is a neutral construct, and most people choose to use it for good. Unfortunately, idiots, bigots, and assholes can have religion too. :X
Post by: Sirus on April 06, 2013, 01:16:40 am
Please say he mentioned something about how D&D is actual witchcraft. The game club at my local high school actually got accused of that :PThe "witches" comment would probably do it.Did he say anything misogynistic? Because if so, he'd qualify for a Most Stereotypical Fundamentalist award.QuoteDemons are real, witches conjure them up.
Said with utmost seriousness by a VERY 'Christian' person. Other topics which he spoke on: How all Muslims are terrorists, how marriage is a Christian construct and that gay people can't get married, gay people are going to hell, and some other choice comments.
I'm cool with people having religion. Religion is a neutral construct, and most people choose to use it for good. Unfortunately, idiots, bigots, and assholes can have religion too. :X
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 06, 2013, 01:21:48 am
Please say he mentioned something about how D&D is actual witchcraft. The game club at my local high school actually got accused of that :PNow just you wait. I've once rolled 11 sixes out of 11. That can't be possible without there being some sort of witchcraft afoot...
Post by: Sirus on April 06, 2013, 01:37:44 am
You want witchcraft? The DM once critfailed the diceroll to have the boss monster leap across a chasm at the party, causing it to lose half it's health from fall damage. Clearly one of the students cursed the dice.Please say he mentioned something about how D&D is actual witchcraft. The game club at my local high school actually got accused of that :PNow just you wait. I've once rolled 11 sixes out of 11. That can't be possible without there being some sort of witchcraft afoot...
Post by: Flying Dice on April 06, 2013, 02:11:09 am
That mental image is amazing. Just... you show up in the lair of the BBEM (or more likely some poor, innocent creature with diamond bones and gold scales) and watch it pratfall into its own pit.You want witchcraft? The DM once critfailed the diceroll to have the boss monster leap across a chasm at the party, causing it to lose half it's health from fall damage. Clearly one of the students cursed the dice.Please say he mentioned something about how D&D is actual witchcraft. The game club at my local high school actually got accused of that :PNow just you wait. I've once rolled 11 sixes out of 11. That can't be possible without there being some sort of witchcraft afoot...
Post by: Sirus on April 06, 2013, 02:15:10 am
Not as bad as the time one of our party members leaped into a bottomless chasm (and he knew it was bottomless) because the other players convinced him to.That mental image is amazing. Just... you show up in the lair of the BBEM (or more likely some poor, innocent creature with diamond bones and gold scales) and watch it pratfall into its own pit.You want witchcraft? The DM once critfailed the diceroll to have the boss monster leap across a chasm at the party, causing it to lose half it's health from fall damage. Clearly one of the students cursed the dice.Please say he mentioned something about how D&D is actual witchcraft. The game club at my local high school actually got accused of that :PNow just you wait. I've once rolled 11 sixes out of 11. That can't be possible without there being some sort of witchcraft afoot...
On a totally different note: leapt or leaped? Firefox says leapt is not a word, I'm pretty sure I've never seen "leaped" anywhere.
Post by: Devling on April 06, 2013, 02:17:02 am
Whilst or while? It just depends on how you want to talk.Not as bad as the time one of our party members leaped into a bottomless chasm (and he knew it was bottomless) because the other players convinced him to.That mental image is amazing. Just... you show up in the lair of the BBEM (or more likely some poor, innocent creature with diamond bones and gold scales) and watch it pratfall into its own pit.You want witchcraft? The DM once critfailed the diceroll to have the boss monster leap across a chasm at the party, causing it to lose half it's health from fall damage. Clearly one of the students cursed the dice.Please say he mentioned something about how D&D is actual witchcraft. The game club at my local high school actually got accused of that :PNow just you wait. I've once rolled 11 sixes out of 11. That can't be possible without there being some sort of witchcraft afoot...
On a totally different note: leapt or leaped? Firefox says leapt is not a word, I'm pretty sure I've never seen "leaped" anywhere.
Post by: lordcooper on April 06, 2013, 02:17:08 am
On a totally different note: leapt or leaped? Firefox says leapt is not a word, I'm pretty sure I've never seen "leaped" anywhere.
Apparently they're both acceptable. (http://grammarist.com/spelling/leaped-leapt/)
Post by: Sirus on April 06, 2013, 02:19:06 am
Post by: Flying Dice on April 06, 2013, 02:20:58 am
If it was really a bottomless chasm did the GM eventually start forcing him to make checks against dehydration? :PNot as bad as the time one of our party members leaped into a bottomless chasm (and he knew it was bottomless) because the other players convinced him to.That mental image is amazing. Just... you show up in the lair of the BBEM (or more likely some poor, innocent creature with diamond bones and gold scales) and watch it pratfall into its own pit.You want witchcraft? The DM once critfailed the diceroll to have the boss monster leap across a chasm at the party, causing it to lose half it's health from fall damage. Clearly one of the students cursed the dice.Please say he mentioned something about how D&D is actual witchcraft. The game club at my local high school actually got accused of that :PNow just you wait. I've once rolled 11 sixes out of 11. That can't be possible without there being some sort of witchcraft afoot...
Post by: Sirus on April 06, 2013, 02:22:15 am
Nah, we just assumed that he was lost forever and the guy had to roll a new character :PIf it was really a bottomless chasm did the GM eventually start forcing him to make checks against dehydration? :PNot as bad as the time one of our party members leaped into a bottomless chasm (and he knew it was bottomless) because the other players convinced him to.That mental image is amazing. Just... you show up in the lair of the BBEM (or more likely some poor, innocent creature with diamond bones and gold scales) and watch it pratfall into its own pit.You want witchcraft? The DM once critfailed the diceroll to have the boss monster leap across a chasm at the party, causing it to lose half it's health from fall damage. Clearly one of the students cursed the dice.Please say he mentioned something about how D&D is actual witchcraft. The game club at my local high school actually got accused of that :PNow just you wait. I've once rolled 11 sixes out of 11. That can't be possible without there being some sort of witchcraft afoot...
Post by: Max White on April 06, 2013, 02:23:10 am
Post by: Sirus on April 06, 2013, 02:24:59 am
Eh, I would have just made some sort of flying monster come out and kill him for his troubles... Because the role of the GM is essentially to make up reasons to clean up the players dickery.Oh god. If he had done that, at least one of the other party members might have leapt into the chasm to battle the creature for the experience points XD
Post by: Max White on April 06, 2013, 02:26:29 am
How D&D is different from Vidya games #249: Sometimes you just shouldn't try to kill it.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 06, 2013, 02:27:55 am
Eh, I would have just made some sort of flying monster come out and kill him for his troubles... Because the role of the GM is essentially to make up reasons to clean up the players dickery.The
Standard disclaimer about those rants describing some absolutely disgusting, horrific things.
Post by: Max White on April 06, 2013, 02:31:32 am
Post by: GuesssWho on April 06, 2013, 03:18:06 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 06, 2013, 03:06:14 pm
Still, the blackhole doesn't give of any light. It's created in a rather large sphere around it.Hawking radiation (which is light) escapes from black holes (though only through quantum shenanigans).
Hawking rad isn't light, it's particles.
:/ You're both correct. They're photon / anti-photon pairs. So it's light and particles at the same time. Specifically, Hawking Radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation) is a type of Black-body radiation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body_radiation)
Aren't all particles also light? de Broglie's equation says that any object with mass and velocity has a wavelength, though it's really small for heavy objects. Mind you, I only took AP Physics B. X3 No Quantum Physics 101.
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Post by: javierpwn on April 06, 2013, 11:25:25 pm
Because weight is the effect of gravity on a mass; that makes them pretty damn weighted.They're actually not heavy, either (on a stellar scale). They're actually less heavy than the star that they came from. They're just really, really, really dense.Don't you mean mass? Because in terms of weight they kinda hold the crown.
I never mean weight.
Able to pull in light and stuffs.
Meaning although they have less mass, they can be said to be heavier than the star they came from.
Post by: GuesssWho on April 06, 2013, 11:45:15 pm
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Post by: Gukag on April 07, 2013, 10:05:21 am
A recent example, courtesy of Glenn Greenwald (one of the most self-righteous and simultaneously ignorant political commentators I've come across) and Sam Harris: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/dear-fellow-liberal2/
Post by: Skyrunner on April 07, 2013, 10:42:54 am
Ahmed avoids answering a simple question for like twelve comments. CGW and Fred M are trying to make him give a straight answer and I think they partially succeeded.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 07, 2013, 01:02:51 pm
I'm in a mix between laughing because of the irony (I used their proofs to prove I am Illuminati Satan) and pain because I am related to them.
It's not even the stupid beliefs that have me going. It's just the fact that they've done nothing hold hypocrisy high on a platinum pedestal.
"You can't prove demons don't exist!"
"You can't prove demons exist!"
[silence]
"You have no respect for other peoples' beliefs!"
Post by: Jopax on April 07, 2013, 01:09:46 pm
Post by: Gukag on April 07, 2013, 01:17:02 pm
There's many people in the world who have "beliefs" that are not worthy of respect. They themselves probably find some "beliefs" abhorrent. Asking for respect and tolerance of "beliefs" regardless of what they entail is ridiculous.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 07, 2013, 01:21:20 pm
There are some things in this world I will not understand.
Post by: PanH on April 07, 2013, 01:48:37 pm
Post by: werty892 on April 07, 2013, 02:20:10 pm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Fig-Newtons-Box-Small.jpg)
Post by: Doomblade187 on April 07, 2013, 02:29:34 pm
Just when you thought Figs could not be anymore evil....Hey now, I kind of like those.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Fig-Newtons-Box-Small.jpg)
Post by: Graknorke on April 07, 2013, 02:50:07 pm
Just when you thought Figs could not be anymore evil....You best pay your respects around fig rolls in future. They are delicious and don't forgive easily.
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 07, 2013, 03:34:51 pm
Post by: Devling on April 07, 2013, 03:48:06 pm
Also eating babies is okay. If you say otherwise you are not accepting of my beliefs.
(Strawman is best politician)
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 07, 2013, 05:48:55 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on April 07, 2013, 07:26:47 pm
Fig tree is considered as an evil tree, as opposed to the olive tree, in the Bible.
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Post by: Devling on April 07, 2013, 07:40:14 pm
Post by: Xantalos on April 07, 2013, 07:41:46 pm
If I ever write a story featuring the devil in any way, he's going to be munching on a fig.Actually I think it was because Jesus was addicted to figs and didn't want anyone else eating them.
Post by: PanH on April 07, 2013, 07:47:24 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 07, 2013, 07:48:07 pm
Jesus was actually a fig pimp.If I ever write a story featuring the devil in any way, he's going to be munching on a fig.Actually I think it was because Jesus was addicted to figs and didn't want anyone else eating them.
Post by: Vattic on April 07, 2013, 08:14:09 pm
Post by: SealyStar on April 07, 2013, 08:15:40 pm
God hates figs? New Westboro Baptist Church campaign.
Actually, if you look it up, there are multiple parodies of the WBC with that exact joke.
Post by: Sirus on April 07, 2013, 08:16:41 pm
Post by: Max White on April 07, 2013, 08:17:37 pm
Post by: Vattic on April 07, 2013, 09:22:42 pm
God hates figs? New Westboro Baptist Church campaign.
Actually, if you look it up, there are multiple parodies of the WBC with that exact joke.
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9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.Ecclesiastes 1:9
Oh well.
Post by: Graknorke on April 09, 2013, 07:03:23 pm
"Your to self - absorbed and you may have Turret Syndrome ! But they have drugs for that. What they do not have drugs for is a small peepees. I do like your rants on god but U come across as a male form of RACHEL MADDOW with Turret's. Your to unstable to be in law enforcement but U are entertaining ! Your not cut out to have a long relationship at this point in your life ... U need more people skills first. "
I could try taking apart this and point out why it's stupid. But I'm lazy. Instead, I'll just go...
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Post by: Loud Whispers on April 09, 2013, 07:14:13 pm
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Reposted from happy thread:
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Post by: MonkeyHead on April 10, 2013, 01:56:12 pm
Read comments at end of lecture...
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What complete bullshit. Any right thinking christian knows it is only 4000 years old anyway, and God in his wisdom simply makes it appear older.
My head is still firmly implanted into my desk.
Post by: Sirus on April 10, 2013, 01:58:42 pm
Use a Youtube video about the recent dating of the Grand Canyon in a lecture - turns out it is 70,000,000 years old according to radiometric dating, not 5,000,000 as had been predicted previously.Considering it's YouTube, there's a good chance it's just a troll. Still...
Read comments at end of lecture...QuoteWhat complete bullshit. Any right thinking christian knows it is only 4000 years old anyway, and God in his wisdom simply makes it appear older.
My head is still firmly implanted into my desk.
Post by: Graknorke on April 10, 2013, 02:00:56 pm
Use a Youtube video about the recent dating of the Grand Canyon in a lecture - turns out it is 70,000,000 years old according to radiometric dating, not 5,000,000 as had been predicted previously.Poe's Law strikes again!
Read comments at end of lecture...QuoteWhat complete bullshit. Any right thinking christian knows it is only 4000 years old anyway, and God in his wisdom simply makes it appear older.
My head is still firmly implanted into my desk.
Post by: Xantalos on April 10, 2013, 08:23:50 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on April 10, 2013, 08:25:06 pm
What is this law of Poe?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)
Post by: LARD on April 10, 2013, 08:39:02 pm
In Jewish tradition, the fig tree was a symbol of the Jewish people.
So when Jesus came and found it bare, it was a metaphor for him finding the Jews unresponsive to his teaching. That is why he said, "May no one eat from you again." He was really saying, "You have really missed the point of being a fig tree"
(Also, I'm not trying to start a debate)
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 10, 2013, 08:48:17 pm
Poe's Law strikes again!Poe took one look at youtube and exploded.
It is one of the last few bastions of stupidity.
Post by: LARD on April 10, 2013, 08:51:17 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on April 10, 2013, 08:53:54 pm
Wow, in retrospect that's a bit more acid than I intended it to be. Eh.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 10, 2013, 08:57:57 pm
There are occasionally comments like the one you posted that are purely satirical of some of the shit that does actually get posted. If you can't understand that not everything is 100% anything, then you're absurdly myopic and need to reevaluate your worldview. Just like /b/ isn't 100% furries/bronies/pedos/whateverthefuck, youtube isn't 100% 10 year olds.The sincerity neutralized it.
Wow, in retrospect that's a bit more acid than I intended it to be. Eh.
As for /b/, not even /b/ knows what it is.
Youtube is a different flavour altogether. Original comments died a long time ago. Sane posters do not post.
You will find the lion, the witch and the viral video to be a lot harsher than you remember Lucy... Flame wars as far as the eye can see.
Post by: LARD on April 10, 2013, 09:03:32 pm
This is from my small experience on Youtube
Post by: NobodyPro on April 10, 2013, 09:15:54 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on April 10, 2013, 09:28:40 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on April 10, 2013, 09:33:51 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 10, 2013, 09:35:42 pm
Just a little clarification on the fig tree thing.
In Jewish tradition, the fig tree was a symbol of the Jewish people.
So when Jesus came and found it bare, it was a metaphor for him finding the Jews unresponsive to his teaching. That is why he said, "May no one eat from you again." He was really saying, "You have really missed the point of being a fig tree"
(Also, I'm not trying to start a debate)
See, this is one of those good biblical metaphors that people need to talk about. It actually seems pretty clever in a literary sense. I'd like to have learned about it in my religion classes instead of just politically relevant stuff.
Normally people base whether something's a metaphor on whether they agree with the literal meaning - oh, Jesus said something I like? Yeah, literal, duh. He said something I didn't like? Metaphor, of course he didn't really mean it like that.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 10, 2013, 09:41:18 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 10, 2013, 10:20:58 pm
The point of the video was more or less accurate. The problem is not with the font, but with the problem that people use it in the most inappropriate of ways.I have seen a warning listing the danger of walking into a room (which happened to be filled with explosives) written entirely in comic sans on a frigate. Much horror was to be had.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 10, 2013, 10:48:57 pm
The point of the video was more or less accurate. The problem is not with the font, but with the problem that people use it in the most inappropriate of ways.I have seen a warning listing the danger of walking into a room (which happened to be filled with explosives) written entirely in comic sans on a frigate. Much horror was to be had.
I herped when I should have Sans'd.
Post by: LARD on April 11, 2013, 09:44:27 am
See, this is one of those good biblical metaphors that people need to talk about. It actually seems pretty clever in a literary sense. I'd like to have learned about it in my religion classes instead of just politically relevant stuff.
Normally people base whether something's a metaphor on whether they agree with the literal meaning - oh, Jesus said something I like? Yeah, literal, duh. He said something I didn't like? Metaphor, of course he didn't really mean it like that.
Of course, we need to be careful about which words of any great person we ascribe to metaphor.
Now to flying dice, I apologize, but I am not going to explain the entire context of this passage, because it would sound like internet evangelism. Also, it would take too long. Keep in mind though that
That would be getting into the "You don't want to listen to me profess my beliefs, so I hope that yours wither and are abandoned." bit, though, which I suspect may be less than wise. The metaphor isn't really any better, it's just reprehensible instead of batshit crazy.this, is just a politer version of the religious debates we have all come to know and love. Actually, I like discussing these things, but in a coffee shop, face to face. On the internet it is way too easy to read the other's words in a ten-year old's voice.
(Edit) Especially if they use Comic Sans
Post by: Max White on April 11, 2013, 09:49:47 am
And yes, I do assign people voices. And yes, Jim Groovster has the deepest, sexiest of them all.
Post by: frostshotgg on April 11, 2013, 10:06:28 am
Post by: Max White on April 11, 2013, 10:10:03 am
Post by: Descan on April 11, 2013, 11:55:14 am
Mostly because Max White is this other one guy I know that I want to bone.
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THE MORE YOU KNOW!
Post by: Xantalos on April 11, 2013, 12:14:55 pm
Eh, anybody that I haven't assigned a voice yet gets read in my own voice.Whatever is it that I sound like, then?
And yes, I do assign people voices. And yes, Jim Groovster has the deepest, sexiest of them all.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on April 11, 2013, 12:17:08 pm
Post by: Dutchling on April 11, 2013, 12:20:23 pm
Other than that, no voicing for me.
Post by: werty892 on April 11, 2013, 12:36:46 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7oq5k17pY1r3084q.jpg)
Post by: Dutchling on April 11, 2013, 12:38:09 pm
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Post by: Sirus on April 11, 2013, 12:40:50 pm
Spoiler: I prefer this one (click to show/hide)
Post by: miauw62 on April 11, 2013, 01:47:34 pm
This one is better:HOTLINK PROTECTION ENGAGED!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pyre on April 11, 2013, 04:51:55 pm
...I'm so sorry.
Post by: Devling on April 11, 2013, 06:51:44 pm
So most of the time you guys sound like sexy Yahtzee Croshaw.
Post by: OREOSOME on April 11, 2013, 06:55:03 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on April 11, 2013, 06:57:39 pm
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Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 11, 2013, 07:26:47 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 11, 2013, 07:45:13 pm
Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 11, 2013, 07:47:10 pm
Post by: Descan on April 11, 2013, 07:47:28 pm
Lot of pauses though. Kind of comma heavy.
Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 11, 2013, 07:50:19 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 11, 2013, 07:58:10 pm
No, I think his post is awake and conscious.how rude of you, correcting people on the internet.
Lot of pauses though. Kind of comma heavy.
Just for the record, if the current president makes one bad move in her eyes, whoever those poor students are, will here all about it.*hear
Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 11, 2013, 08:01:07 pm
Just for the record, if the current president makes one bad move in her eyes, whoever those poor students are, will here all about it.*hear
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* face palm: today hasn't been my day, though I got copy of the Rise and Fall of the Third Riech back home, though carrying that book around a high school, is a great way to get people to call you a Nazi, some jokingly, others not.
Post by: Descan on April 11, 2013, 08:01:53 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on April 11, 2013, 09:16:59 pm
Post by: Devling on April 11, 2013, 09:18:11 pm
You just need to use a pen to extend the title into Mein Kampfy Chair.Fuhrer approved!
Post by: Sirus on April 11, 2013, 09:20:00 pm
You just need to use a pen to extend the title into Mein Kampfy Chair.This needs to be an actual thing.
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Spoiler: Apparently it is an actual thing! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Evilsx on April 11, 2013, 10:13:20 pm
Post by: Devling on April 12, 2013, 01:35:48 am
They are obviously your soulmate.
Or you both thought of the same lame joke.
Post by: Sirus on April 12, 2013, 01:36:51 am
Post by: Oliolli on April 12, 2013, 02:14:27 am
Fixed that for you.You just need to use a pen to extend the title into Mein Kampfy Chair.Führer approved!
Post by: Devling on April 12, 2013, 02:16:08 am
etc.
Post by: Graknorke on April 12, 2013, 11:26:23 am
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If you're hungry, eat food.(http://blog.mdmadman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/youdontsay.png)
Post by: Xantalos on April 12, 2013, 11:59:27 am
Post by: Flying Dice on April 12, 2013, 01:39:48 pm
Unrelated, but Nicolas Cage would have made a fantastic Voldemort.
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Okay, if I'm still alive by the time Harry Potter goes into public domain, I'm going to devote my savings to remake the films using a hologram of Nic Cage to play Voldemort. In fact, I'll replace all the characters with Nic Cage holograms.
Post by: Sirus on April 12, 2013, 01:41:14 pm
You mean kinda like this? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf7JNzo6DZY)Unrelated, but Nicolas Cage would have made a fantastic Voldemort.
...
Okay, if I'm still alive by the time Harry Potter goes into public domain, I'm going to devote my savings to remake the films using a hologram of Nic Cage to play Voldemort. In fact, I'll replace all the characters with Nic Cage holograms.
Post by: Graknorke on April 14, 2013, 04:48:20 pm
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Bread isn't foodWhy would... what?
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 14, 2013, 05:10:20 pm
Cauterize the fool who foolishly slanders the bread!QuoteBread isn't foodWhy would... what?
Post by: Graknorke on April 15, 2013, 03:23:00 pm
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The same thing has happened in the UK and France which is why companies in the UK don't hire UK youth anymore. They bring them in from Poland, Latvia, Estonia and elsewhere. UK kids don't want to work, wont show up for work and if they do they are drunk for work... Decades of Liberal Policies and voters have caused this.How can someone with such a poor understanding of the world be a top commenter for a news site? It boggles the mind.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 15, 2013, 03:41:07 pm
I think you answered your own question there. :PQuoteThe same thing has happened in the UK and France which is why companies in the UK don't hire UK youth anymore. They bring them in from Poland, Latvia, Estonia and elsewhere. UK kids don't want to work, wont show up for work and if they do they are drunk for work... Decades of Liberal Policies and voters have caused this.How can someone with such a poor understanding of the world be a top commenter for a news site? It boggles the mind.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 15, 2013, 03:51:27 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 15, 2013, 05:03:33 pm
In the land of the Blind, One-Eye's King.How did we get to a situation where there's a land of blind people with only one guy with an eye?
Eye for an eye makes the world blind until the last guy can escape eye gouging.
Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 15, 2013, 06:16:05 pm
In the land of the Blind, One-Eye's King.How did we get to a situation where there's a land of blind people with only one guy with an eye?
Eye for an eye makes the world blind until the last guy can escape eye gouging.
Though without depth perception the gouging must slow
Post by: Graknorke on April 15, 2013, 06:29:09 pm
Well, if there were multiple people working on each gouging then that problem could be worked around.In the land of the Blind, One-Eye's King.How did we get to a situation where there's a land of blind people with only one guy with an eye?
Eye for an eye makes the world blind until the last guy can escape eye gouging.
Though without depth perception the gouging must slow
...how long does it take to gouge out an eye anyway?
Post by: Xantalos on April 15, 2013, 06:37:24 pm
In the land of the Blind, One-Eye's King.H.G Wells worte a short story about that.
SPOILER ALERT: It doesn't work
Post by: javierpwn on April 16, 2013, 09:05:46 am
HAIR GLANDS!!!!!
HAIR DOESN'T COME FROM GLANDS! It comes from once living follicle tissues that grow from out the follicle.
Post by: MaximumZero on April 16, 2013, 11:26:31 am
After getting excited about dissecting feral cats for a science lab, I was explaining the similarities of the organ structure to humans; I was told by someone with almost no medical knowledge that they are very different in structure. I asked why, and I was told cats have hair glands...lolwut? I have almost no knowledge of advanced biology, and even I know that's horribly wrong.
HAIR GLANDS!!!!!
HAIR DOESN'T COME FROM GLANDS! It comes from once living follicle tissues that grow from out the follicle.
Post by: Reelya on April 16, 2013, 11:34:09 am
If this is the case, a good counter-example is the gene for vitamin-C: cats can make their own vitamin-C but humans need to get it from fruit. The real clincher though is that humans still have the gene for making vitamin-C, but it's degraded to the point of being non-functional, since our evolutionary food source contained plenty of it (EDIT: hence, there was no selection pressure to stop genetic drift of this gene).
The alternate explanation is that god/intelligent designer deliberately designed humans with a non-functional gene that just happens to closely resemble the vitamin-C gene in other mammals. "Just because".
Post by: MaximumZero on April 16, 2013, 11:36:04 am
Ask that person claiming cats are very different in structure about their views on evolution. They might well be a creationist grasping at straws to say "See? They're different! Humans don't even have hair glands!".I wonder if there's a way to exercise it? It would be pretty boss if we could make Vitamin C.
If this is the case, a good counter-example is the gene for vitamin-C: cats can make their own vitamin-C but humans need to get it from fruit. The real clincher though is that humans still have the gene for making vitamin-C, but it's degraded to the point of being non-functional, since our evolutionary food source contained plenty of it.
Post by: Hanslanda on April 16, 2013, 12:14:30 pm
Ask that person claiming cats are very different in structure about their views on evolution. They might well be a creationist grasping at straws to say "See? They're different! Humans don't even have hair glands!".I wonder if there's a way to exercise it? It would be pretty boss if we could make Vitamin C.
If this is the case, a good counter-example is the gene for vitamin-C: cats can make their own vitamin-C but humans need to get it from fruit. The real clincher though is that humans still have the gene for making vitamin-C, but it's degraded to the point of being non-functional, since our evolutionary food source contained plenty of it.
I know this guy that does genetic manipulation for a real good price. Forty bucks and a six pack of Natty light. He's in the van behind 7-11 on Thursdays, his name is Carlito.
Post by: Scelly9 on April 16, 2013, 12:22:40 pm
The scary thing is, that's probably going to be a real thing in 50 years.Ask that person claiming cats are very different in structure about their views on evolution. They might well be a creationist grasping at straws to say "See? They're different! Humans don't even have hair glands!".I wonder if there's a way to exercise it? It would be pretty boss if we could make Vitamin C.
If this is the case, a good counter-example is the gene for vitamin-C: cats can make their own vitamin-C but humans need to get it from fruit. The real clincher though is that humans still have the gene for making vitamin-C, but it's degraded to the point of being non-functional, since our evolutionary food source contained plenty of it.
I know this guy that does genetic manipulation for a real good price. Forty bucks and a six pack of Natty light. He's in the van behind 7-11 on Thursdays, his name is Carlito.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 16, 2013, 12:40:16 pm
*Ie, Getting a new body
Post by: Xantalos on April 16, 2013, 12:43:00 pm
Also, who the hell dissects cats for science class?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 16, 2013, 12:45:30 pm
Simultaneous implantation?It's rather hard to implant a whole body. I suppose it works for limited organs and such, but then you got rejection and replacement problems.
We had rabbits, a fetal cat* and a porc eye. Oh, and a flower.
*1 cat and only for those interested.
Post by: Oliolli on April 16, 2013, 12:54:39 pm
The alternate explanation is that god/intelligent designer deliberately designed humans with a non-functional gene that just happens to closely resemble the vitamin-C gene in other mammals. "Just because".
A creationist would probably first go with "The devil put it there to fool us".
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 16, 2013, 01:06:37 pm
Or deny the existence of genes all together. Or at least state that we're not supposed to tamper with them.The alternate explanation is that god/intelligent designer deliberately designed humans with a non-functional gene that just happens to closely resemble the vitamin-C gene in other mammals. "Just because".
A creationist would probably first go with "The devil put it there to fool us".
Post by: fractalman on April 16, 2013, 01:08:07 pm
Not really, you can't change your genes without changing every single cel*
*Ie, Getting a new body
Retroviral gene therapy.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 16, 2013, 01:43:18 pm
Not really, you can't change your genes without changing every single cel*Retroviral gene therapy.
*Ie, Getting a new body
That only works for limited genes, and a limited amount of cells.
Post by: i2amroy on April 16, 2013, 02:08:39 pm
Indeed, though the possibilities are still there for some types of genetic engineering (so we couldn't give you photosynthetic skin but we could give you eyes that could see in the dark).That only works for limited genes, and a limited amount of cells.Not really, you can't change your genes without changing every single cel*Retroviral gene therapy.
*Ie, Getting a new body
Post by: Akura on April 16, 2013, 08:49:57 pm
- Heard coming from a group of college students playing Magic: The Gathering.
(to be fair, they were joking around)
Post by: javierpwn on April 16, 2013, 09:16:09 pm
Also, who the hell dissects cats for science class?You can dissect people in medical school...
Cats were for some dual enrollment classes(College+high school)
Case in point, hair comes from dead cells; not "hair glands"
*Googles hair glands for no reason at all*
Post by: Scelly9 on April 17, 2013, 02:07:11 pm
Post by: Xantalos on April 17, 2013, 02:12:52 pm
I got to dissect a person. Homeschooling FTW!...
Goddammit public school system, you so inadequate.
Post by: Ameablable on April 17, 2013, 02:18:59 pm
lady: i can't access my websites mailbox.
Me: do you have connection to the internet?
lady: i'm not sure
Me: is your router plugged in?
lady: no.
Me: plug that in.
...few minutes after the routers up
lady: oh my goodness thank you!
Me: your welcome
*end of call*
Post by: Reelya on April 17, 2013, 02:31:38 pm
Simultaneous implantation?
Also, who the hell dissects cats for science class?
Viruses (which are hit-or-miss), or tailor-made coding RNA strands (which target specific gene loci). There are ways to implant a gene in your existing cells, but it's very specific and has to be tailored to the specific person/animal.
Post by: ggamer on April 17, 2013, 05:57:30 pm
friend- "Dude, you are stupid"
kid- "Whatever black kid"
friend- "Okay, at least I'm not an idiot"
kid- "I'd rather be white and dumb than black and smart"
One of my friends got this the other day in his latin class.
I'm almost certain that asshole hickbag is the reason people hate the south.
Post by: Sirus on April 17, 2013, 06:18:32 pm
Post by: Devling on April 17, 2013, 06:34:32 pm
To be fair, it wasn't nice of your friend to call someone stupid :-\Racism is worse.
The proper response to someone calling you stupid is "Nuh-uh!", or "Your MOM", or "No, YOU!"
Post by: Sirus on April 17, 2013, 06:51:36 pm
I mean that the whole racism thing might have been avoided if the kid hadn't been taunted.To be fair, it wasn't nice of your friend to call someone stupid :-\Racism is worse.
The proper response to someone calling you stupid is "Nuh-uh!", or "Your MOM", or "No, YOU!"
Though something tells me he was already racist, so I dunno.
Post by: Descan on April 17, 2013, 07:25:16 pm
Post by: Sirus on April 17, 2013, 07:28:41 pm
Post by: Frumple on April 17, 2013, 07:35:26 pm
Something tells me racism is not caused by being called stupid.Well, no, of course not. But racist remarks might be, if the person making them feels it's an insult that would stick. Bit of a GIGO issue, really.
Doesn't excuse it or anything silly like that and if the kid wasn't racist th'kid's probably around 'em quite a bit t'view that sort of thing as a fair retort, but... yeah.
Post by: Descan on April 17, 2013, 07:38:43 pm
Didn't I just say that? :|NO. >:C
Post by: Sirus on April 17, 2013, 07:44:15 pm
T_T Okay...Didn't I just say that? :|NO. >:C
Post by: tahujdt on April 17, 2013, 07:54:25 pm
"Obama, of course!"
Post by: werty892 on April 17, 2013, 08:06:59 pm
"So, who do you think pays for welfare?"
"Obama, of course!"
Its really his mother.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 17, 2013, 08:08:35 pm
"So, who do you think pays for welfare?"
"Obama, of course!"
Its really his mother.
Don't even joke. Obama's mama is loaded.
Post by: ggamer on April 17, 2013, 08:27:06 pm
Kid- "Hey you poor black (Negro)"
Friend- "Hey you hick asshole, how's smoking behind the piggly wiggly?"
Had a fun conversation with one of my friends along those lines the other day.
Friend- "Sorry i'm not a nerd and don't get on the 'EX BAWKS'"
Me- "Sorry that not all of us spend our free time dipping in daddy's truck and shooting the black folks down the road"
(Safe to say, we're heavily Caustic friends. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VitriolicBestBuds))
Post by: tahujdt on April 17, 2013, 08:29:09 pm
The usual response is such-I really was hoping to get some sleep tonight. Oh well...
Kid- "Hey you poor black (Negro)"
Friend- "Hey you hick asshole, how's smoking behind the piggly wiggly?"
Had a fun conversation with one of my friends along those lines the other day.
Friend- "Sorry i'm not a nerd and don't get on the 'EX BAWKS'"
Me- "Sorry that not all of us spend our free time dipping in daddy's truck and shooting the black folks down the road"
(Safe to say, we're heavily Caustic friends. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VitriolicBestBuds))
Post by: frostshotgg on April 17, 2013, 08:33:25 pm
I really was hoping to get some sleep tonight. Oh well...Just watch a video or two of This Troper. That's usually enough to remind me just how much a cesspool that website is.
Post by: IronTomato on April 17, 2013, 08:40:39 pm
"Wait, so, the sun is in air?"
Post by: Flying Dice on April 17, 2013, 08:44:52 pm
piggly wigglyHey, someone else who knows what a Piggly Wiggly is!
Post by: SalmonGod on April 18, 2013, 04:45:03 am
piggly wigglyHey, someone else who knows what a Piggly Wiggly is!
My grandparents used to shop at Piggly Wiggly when I was a kid.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on April 18, 2013, 06:22:36 am
heres my customer service experience:Hey, she managed to plug the router in without needing an illustrated guide and seventeen hours of coaching, that's pretty goddamned impressive as tech support goes.
lady: i can't access my websites mailbox.
Me: do you have connection to the internet?
lady: i'm not sure
Me: is your router plugged in?
lady: no.
Me: plug that in.
...few minutes after the routers up
lady: oh my goodness thank you!
Me: your welcome
*end of call*
Post by: Max White on April 18, 2013, 06:34:27 am
But this lady sounds like she was cooperative and polite, so she seems alright.
Post by: Neonivek on April 18, 2013, 06:43:45 am
Post by: Ameablable on April 18, 2013, 07:11:26 am
The power cord. Not ethernet. Ethernet was plugged in.
Post by: Max White on April 18, 2013, 07:14:06 am
Post by: Neonivek on April 18, 2013, 07:45:21 am
That would be pretty funny.
Post by: Max White on April 18, 2013, 08:24:59 am
Angsty Emo guy: Death won't accept my challenge, heaven shuns my bad mouth, limbo is full, and soven guard dosent require me, so this is were I stay
Some girl: And wheres that
Guy: Were we are of course
Girl: Earth
Girl: R u now athest
Truly intellectualism!
Post by: MaximumZero on April 18, 2013, 11:03:45 am
Now if she didn't buy the router and just thought her computer would work without internet.You would not believe how often I see this.
That would be pretty funny.
Furthermore, you would not believe the frequency I hear the sentence: "Whaddya mean I have to plug in the desktop? You just said it was wireless!"
Post by: Neonivek on April 18, 2013, 11:16:24 am
"Jump on the mushroom it will give you a boost"
"Wait what do you mean it will give me a boost that makes no sense?"
"What do you mean it is a trampoline"
"But it is a mushroom!"
"AHH!"
"AHH!"
I remember trying to explain to my sister why attaching roller skates to the mummy in day of the tentacle makes perfect sense.
Post by: MaximumZero on April 18, 2013, 11:24:09 am
day of the tentacle makes perfect sense.Yeah, except that nothing in that game makes any sense at all.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on April 18, 2013, 11:26:42 am
Post by: Neonivek on April 18, 2013, 11:26:56 am
day of the tentacle makes perfect sense.Yeah, except that nothing in that game makes any sense at all.
It really makes perfect sense you just have to bend your thinking.
Why does painting the Orange Tree red make George Washington cut it down? because Cherries are red.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 18, 2013, 12:09:11 pm
Here's a self-post: apparently, when under the influence of alcohol in a foreign country and asked to talk about my country, my usual bleeding-heart self starts only half-ironically spouting Tea Party talking points and waxing poetic about Ronald Reagan.You were just keeping up appearances for all those foreigners.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 18, 2013, 12:26:59 pm
Ah facebook...Choppy grammar aside it was rather snappy. Probably doesn't belong in the stupid thread.
Angsty Emo guy: Death won't accept my challenge, heaven shuns my bad mouth, limbo is full, and soven guard dosent require me, so this is were I stay
Some girl: And wheres that
Guy: Were we are of course
Girl: Earth
Girl: R u now athest
Truly intellectualism!
Post by: Graknorke on April 18, 2013, 12:45:08 pm
Ah facebook...There's always room in Sovngarde for valiant warriors.
Angsty Emo guy: Death won't accept my challenge, heaven shuns my bad mouth, limbo is full, and soven guard dosent require me, so this is were I stay
Some girl: And wheres that
Guy: Were we are of course
Girl: Earth
Girl: R u now athest
Truly intellectualism!
Sounds like he's just bitter over having not killed enough people.
Post by: Descan on April 18, 2013, 02:30:38 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on April 18, 2013, 05:32:25 pm
Here's a self-post: apparently, when under the influence of alcohol in a foreign country and asked to talk about my country, my usual bleeding-heart self starts only half-ironically spouting Tea Party talking points and waxing poetic about Ronald Reagan.You were just keeping up appearances for all those foreigners.
Those damn commies will never, I hope, forget the moment they were enlightened by a guy in a bowler hat holding a styrofoam cup of Cabernet Sauvignon and proclaiming, in his loudest voice, "GOD BLESH THE SHECOND AMENDMENT!"
Post by: Mr Space Cat on April 18, 2013, 05:38:17 pm
Ah facebook...
Angsty Emo guy: Death won't accept my challenge, heaven shuns my bad mouth, limbo is full, and soven guard dosent require me, so this is were I stay
Some girl: And wheres that
Guy: Were we are of course
Girl: Earth
Girl: R u now athest
Truly intellectualism!
I dun get it. Why post stuff like wangsty poetic-emo stuff on sites like facebook? Why do anything on facebook? Isn't that just the place to make your life look so much better than it actually is? Why do people post really long political rants or cry about how much they hate themself in indecipherable semi-poetic yet "poorely grammared" "status updates?"
Of course, then I apply those same questions to Bay12, and it seems to answer itself. Now the question is why do that with peoples you know in Meat Space? Maybe I don't get being social.
Also, emo guy is trrbl at spelling. Lrn2NorseLanguage, it's Sovngarde, which doesn't exist at all, but is based on Valhalla. Saying that you won't go to Sovngarde when you die is like saying you won't meet the Mario bros when you die.
This whole post is stupid, in retrospect. There's my contribution to the thread.
a guy in a bowler hat holding a styrofoam cup of Cabernet Sauvignon and proclaiming, in his loudest voice, "GOD BLESH THE SHECOND AMENDMENT!"Bowler hat? That's insta-class right there.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 18, 2013, 05:56:18 pm
Bowler hat is 2British4u. You'd want a Stetson, filled with random dollar notes that you keep trying to pay the locals with.Those damn commies will never, I hope, forget the moment they were enlightened by a guy in a bowler hat holding a styrofoam cup of Cabernet Sauvignon and proclaiming, in his loudest voice, "GOD BLESH THE SHECOND AMENDMENT!"Here's a self-post: apparently, when under the influence of alcohol in a foreign country and asked to talk about my country, my usual bleeding-heart self starts only half-ironically spouting Tea Party talking points and waxing poetic about Ronald Reagan.You were just keeping up appearances for all those foreigners.
Post by: Akura on April 18, 2013, 06:31:42 pm
Stuff like this, and stuff like this (http://www.humorbin.com/showcat.asp?cat=45), pretty much reinforces the idea that there should be a license required to operate a computer.Now if she didn't buy the router and just thought her computer would work without internet.You would not believe how often I see this.
That would be pretty funny.
Furthermore, you would not believe the frequency I hear the sentence: "Whaddya mean I have to plug in the desktop? You just said it was wireless!"
Post by: Flying Dice on April 18, 2013, 06:49:25 pm
The temptation to post a mfw British slang greentext is overwhelming.Bowler hat is 2British4u. You'd want a Stetson, filled with random dollar notes that you keep trying to pay the locals with.Those damn commies will never, I hope, forget the moment they were enlightened by a guy in a bowler hat holding a styrofoam cup of Cabernet Sauvignon and proclaiming, in his loudest voice, "GOD BLESH THE SHECOND AMENDMENT!"Here's a self-post: apparently, when under the influence of alcohol in a foreign country and asked to talk about my country, my usual bleeding-heart self starts only half-ironically spouting Tea Party talking points and waxing poetic about Ronald Reagan.You were just keeping up appearances for all those foreigners.
It's also the stupidest thing I've thought all day, so all I need to do is say it out loud and it fits. :P
Post by: frostshotgg on April 18, 2013, 06:54:22 pm
Post by: Devling on April 18, 2013, 07:16:56 pm
and I said that glue was made from horse hooves.
"So, you're saying that if I get a horse hoof and put it on this paper it'll stick?"
Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?
Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 18, 2013, 07:27:09 pm
A rather dumb girl at school wondered where glue came from (Her guess was from tape)
and I said that glue was made from horse hooves.
"So, you're saying that if I get a horse hoof and put it on this paper it'll stick?"
Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?
Probably because your sense of logic is better than a creationists
Post by: Flying Dice on April 18, 2013, 09:25:34 pm
A rather dumb girl at school wondered where glue came from (Her guess was from tape)Next time you see her, ask her to fold a block of wood into a paper airplane.
and I said that glue was made from horse hooves.
"So, you're saying that if I get a horse hoof and put it on this paper it'll stick?"
Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?
Post by: Mech#4 on April 18, 2013, 09:59:47 pm
A rather dumb girl at school wondered where glue came from (Her guess was from tape)Next time you see her, ask her to fold a block of wood into a paper airplane.
and I said that glue was made from horse hooves.
"So, you're saying that if I get a horse hoof and put it on this paper it'll stick?"
Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?
Does this mean that horses can walk up walls?
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 19, 2013, 01:16:24 am
How else were the Mongolians successful at siegecraft?Does this mean that horses can walk up walls?A rather dumb girl at school wondered where glue came from (Her guess was from tape)Next time you see her, ask her to fold a block of wood into a paper airplane.
and I said that glue was made from horse hooves.
"So, you're saying that if I get a horse hoof and put it on this paper it'll stick?"
Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?
Post by: Xantalos on April 19, 2013, 01:16:53 am
Santa.How else were the Mongolians successful at siegecraft?Does this mean that horses can walk up walls?A rather dumb girl at school wondered where glue came from (Her guess was from tape)Next time you see her, ask her to fold a block of wood into a paper airplane.
and I said that glue was made from horse hooves.
"So, you're saying that if I get a horse hoof and put it on this paper it'll stick?"
Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?
Post by: i2amroy on April 19, 2013, 02:10:53 am
A rather dumb girl at school wondered where glue came from (Her guess was from tape)While you can make glue from horse hooves (though bone or skin glue was much more common due to availability) nowadays most of your basic "white glue" (such as the kind you use in schools) and notably all of the glues made by the Elmer's company contain no animal products, but are instead made through the special processing of petrochemical materials (oils and rubbers).
and I said that glue was made from horse hooves.
Post by: Devling on April 19, 2013, 02:11:47 am
Yeah, I assumed that we had moved beyond killing old horses for their hooves, it was just the first thing that came to mind.A rather dumb girl at school wondered where glue came from (Her guess was from tape)While you can make glue from horse hooves (though bone or skin glue was much more common due to availability) nowadays most of your basic "white glue" (such as the kind you use in schools) and notably all of the glues made by the Elmer's company contain no animal products, but are instead made through the special processing of petrochemical materials (oils and rubbers).
and I said that glue was made from horse hooves.
Post by: Mech#4 on April 19, 2013, 04:02:57 am
Yeah, I assumed that we had moved beyond killing old horses for their hooves, it was just the first thing that came to mind.A rather dumb girl at school wondered where glue came from (Her guess was from tape)While you can make glue from horse hooves (though bone or skin glue was much more common due to availability) nowadays most of your basic "white glue" (such as the kind you use in schools) and notably all of the glues made by the Elmer's company contain no animal products, but are instead made through the special processing of petrochemical materials (oils and rubbers).
and I said that glue was made from horse hooves.
I still make the joke whenever I see a horse lose a race. :P The conventions well known so there's a high chance people will get it.
Post by: Knight of Fools on April 19, 2013, 04:06:15 am
Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?Probably because your sense of logic is better than a creationists
I'm a Creationist, and even I think that's a pretty stupid argument. Let's not generalize, here.
Post by: frostshotgg on April 19, 2013, 06:55:27 am
Post by: tahujdt on April 19, 2013, 09:41:10 am
I second the motion on not generalizing.Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?Probably because your sense of logic is better than a creationists
I'm a Creationist, and even I think that's a pretty stupid argument. Let's not generalize, here.
Post by: ggamer on April 19, 2013, 09:42:18 am
Agreed. Bloody retarded =/= creationist, though there are a few bloody retarded creationists.I'm a Creationist, and even I think that's a pretty stupid argument. Let's not generalize, here.Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?Probably because your sense of logic is better than a creationists
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on April 19, 2013, 11:54:16 am
Post by: Xantalos on April 19, 2013, 11:59:03 am
Yeah, people who generalize are all assholes.I sense OBI-WAN FALLACY approaching.
Post by: tahujdt on April 19, 2013, 12:21:01 pm
A similar example:Agreed. Bloody retarded =/= creationist, though there are a few bloody retarded creationists.I'm a Creationist, and even I think that's a pretty stupid argument. Let's not generalize, here.Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?Probably because your sense of logic is better than a creationists
Caller: "There is no proof Jesus ever existed!"
Radio Host: "..........Well, you just have to take it on faith."
Regardless of whether you believe in his divinity or not, there is evidence that Jesus was a real person, i.e., some of the writings by Tacitus or Pliny the Younger. Also Josephus the Jew, but he might be considered biased.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 19, 2013, 02:09:59 pm
All three you list were born after the claimed historical Jesus died. There is evidence to suggest even at the same century Jesus existed there were Jews and Pagans who doubted there ever was a Jesus Christ, who never saw him and only knew of him by reading the gospels and took it for granted that the gospels must be true, despite them being written by many people plagiarizing the previous's work with the earliest from Mark being written after Jesus's supposed death decades later and with inconsistencies in geography and custom that would suggest Mark had never been to Palestine in his life, let alone seen Jesus.Agreed. Bloody retarded =/= creationist, though there are a few bloody retarded creationists.A similar example:
Caller: "There is no proof Jesus ever existed!"
Radio Host: "..........Well, you just have to take it on faith."
Regardless of whether you believe in his divinity or not, there is evidence that Jesus was a real person, i.e., some of the writings by Tacitus or Pliny the Younger. Also Josephus the Jew, but he might be considered biased.
Furthermore with Josephus the extract used has Jospehus seemingly witness Jesus resurrecting himself from the dead, fulfilling prophecies and still denying that Jesus is the messiah. The story itself is deemed intrusive on Josephus's narrative by scholars and is widely accepted to have had a series of Christian interpolations added at least decades later as there are no mentions of Josephus's accounts of Jesus by any other historians or Christian apologetics of that time or close to that time until 240 years after Josephus wrote 'antiquities of the Jews' by Eusebius, a Christian historian.
Even more damming of that passage is that from as early as the 16th century surviving texts have been recorded as found, ones without the Christian passage, one found by the scholar Vossius, making it near certain the Christian owned texts were forgeries.
There is another paragraph from which Christians use Josephus's texts as proof of Jesus's existence, yet they often ignore the fact that Josephus is talking about James the Just [often called brother of the lord], who has much more historical evidence to suggest his existence than Jesus Christ himself. The replacement of James with Jesus came about with the Christian copies.
There is a disturbing lack of pagan and secular evidence for Jesus Christ. Even the things like the darkening of the day at a time when solar eclipses were incredibly unlikely to happen or the more memorable things like the dead rising from their graves - get no mention from anyone.
The Romans and Greeks loved recording important events. Why they would stay silent about the subversion of nature is befuddling, unless it only happened in the realm of the fanciful.
Tacitus wrote what he was told by Christians. He tells of Pontius Pilate being a procurator [without saying of what] despite the fact that Pontius Pilate was a prefect and the title procurator was only existent in the second half of the first century after Jesus's death.
Tacitus does not name Jesus but instead uses the title 'Christ' as if it were a name. Also considering how Tacitus hated Christianity, it would have served him to say what the Christian belief was as it would mean at that time it was a young cult - something which meant it could be openly destroyed, as the Romans were only tolerant of ancient cults.
No ancient Christian writers make use of Tactitus's writings either despite the powerful propaganda it could have served, highlighting just how far ahead of its founding Tacitus was writing about and no other Pagan writers express any knowledge whatsoever of any outrage expressed by the Christians and the Jews.
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So far all the evidence used to "prove" the existence of Jesus Christ is pretty debunked. Maybe someone will some day find evidence for his existence? It need not matter on his character's importance, but until then it would be silly to assume such a character must have existed without evidence.
Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 19, 2013, 02:31:32 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 19, 2013, 02:40:24 pm
Yeah sorry about that generalization, its just that the last time I talked to one he refuse to let me explain my point, I have nothing against beliefs it's just that most creationist I know are also fudmentalists, and they really piss me off quite a bit, but once again I'm sorry if I offended youRespect your fellow person, beliefs need not be respected nor should they take priority over respecting your good fellow.
Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 19, 2013, 02:48:05 pm
Yeah sorry about that generalization, its just that the last time I talked to one he refuse to let me explain my point, I have nothing against beliefs it's just that most creationist I know are also fudmentalists, and they really piss me off quite a bit, but once again I'm sorry if I offended youRespect your fellow person, beliefs need not be respected nor should they take priority over respecting your good fellow.
If someone believes something deeply, you can't really change them, so you may as well learn to live with them, which incidentally is my problem with fudementalism: you believe your right so much, you never let others have their own beliefs, and just for the record in case anyone was wondering I believe in the bible not literally but as a book of lessons, and yes I know there some dark parts to it.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 19, 2013, 03:01:01 pm
If someone believes something deeply, you can't really change them, so you may as well learn to live with them, which incidentally is my problem with fudementalism: you believe your right so much, you never let others have their own beliefs, and just for the record in case anyone was wondering I believe in the bible not literally but as a book of lessons, and yes I know there some dark parts to it.That's all nice and well until you attempt living with people who have fundamentally dangerous beliefs. People are what I shall continue investing respect in, beliefs shall hold the same scrutiny any other idea shall get from me.
Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 19, 2013, 03:08:38 pm
Post by: Knight of Fools on April 19, 2013, 03:51:32 pm
Yeah sorry about that generalization, its just that the last time I talked to one he refuse to let me explain my point, I have nothing against beliefs it's just that most creationist I know are also fudmentalists, and they really piss me off quite a bit, but once again I'm sorry if I offended you
Oh, no, dude, it's cool. You actually have to work pretty hard to offend me; I just wanted to put it out there.
If we want to continue this discussion, though, we should probably move it somewhere else to keep the thread on topic.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 19, 2013, 03:53:53 pm
Post by: SoHowAreYou on April 19, 2013, 03:54:21 pm
Yeah sorry about that generalization, its just that the last time I talked to one he refuse to let me explain my point, I have nothing against beliefs it's just that most creationist I know are also fudmentalists, and they really piss me off quite a bit, but once again I'm sorry if I offended you
Oh, no, dude, it's cool. You actually have to work pretty hard to offend me; I just wanted to put it out there.
If we want to continue this discussion, though, we should probably move it somewhere else to keep the thread on topic.
Eh I really have no desire to continue, but I do know the feeling of wanting a good argument, so if you want to just pm me
Post by: Devling on April 19, 2013, 07:02:40 pm
I didn't generalize, I named an argument that has been used by creationists.Why does this remind me of the argument against evolution that goes, "I haven't seen a dog give birth to a cat."?Probably because your sense of logic is better than a creationists
I'm a Creationist, and even I think that's a pretty stupid argument. Let's not generalize, here.
Maybe the persons who replied to me generalized, but not me.
Post by: Putnam on April 19, 2013, 09:07:42 pm
Post by: Mephisto on April 20, 2013, 11:33:27 pm
Someone I knew years ago in high school is complaining about receiving tips at work. I'll just to a bit of copy/pasta and editing and let this speak for itself.
Spoiler: big internet argument (click to show/hide)
It goes on and on and on and on. It covers an even wider range of stupidity. She's just fine with making much less than minimum wage from the restaurant and freely admits that she makes much more than minimum wage when tips are factored in. But if one of the many tables that she serves dares leave a tip that's less than she finds acceptable? Dear deities, get out of her way.
How about the part where her and her serving buddy reiterate over and over again that poor people should never eat at sit-down restaurants if they can't tip the expected amount, circumstances be damned? Or the part where everyone, even those who don't know her, should tip extra because she decided to pop out babies immediately after high school but having babies of your own isn't an excuse to tip her less than she wants.
I think it's about time to go on yet another friend removal spree to get rid of all of the morons and jackasses who seem to always slip through the cracks.
Post by: Putnam on April 20, 2013, 11:35:07 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 20, 2013, 11:39:06 pm
Tipping is a really hot-button issue, actually. May want to avoid that.Tipping is a hot issue? Eh, world we live in is strange.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 21, 2013, 12:34:13 am
Tipping is a really hot-button issue, actually. May want to avoid that.Tipping is a hot issue? Eh, world we live in is strange.
Waiters/waitresses tend to be consistently paid below minimum wage, which is allowed because of the practice of tipping. It's a shitty job to begin with, and you're relying on the generosity of the customers to earn enough to pay rent, bills, tuition, etc. (if you don't work for a place that automatically adds a gratuity to the bill, that is, which is becoming increasingly common in no small part because of the jackasses that leave $1 tips). I always try to tip 15% unless the service was exceptionally terrible, even when it's a stretch on my wallet. It's a really shitty thing to undertip someone who did a decent job. And, frankly, if you can afford to eat out, you can afford to leave a tip.
Post by: Max White on April 21, 2013, 12:42:40 am
The only time anybody tips in Australia is when they actually feel the server has gone above and beyond what you would normally expect of good service. Guess that is why we have a reputation as poor tippers overseas.
Post by: Xantalos on April 21, 2013, 12:48:11 am
Wait, is underpay allowed because of tipping or tipping allowed because of underpay?Tipping is a really hot-button issue, actually. May want to avoid that.Tipping is a hot issue? Eh, world we live in is strange.
Waiters/waitresses tend to be consistently paid below minimum wage, which is allowed because of the practice of tipping. It's a shitty job to begin with, and you're relying on the generosity of the customers to earn enough to pay rent, bills, tuition, etc. (if you don't work for a place that automatically adds a gratuity to the bill, that is, which is becoming increasingly common in no small part because of the jackasses that leave $1 tips). I always try to tip 15% unless the service was exceptionally terrible, even when it's a stretch on my wallet. It's a really shitty thing to undertip someone who did a decent job. And, frankly, if you can afford to eat out, you can afford to leave a tip.
Post by: Sirus on April 21, 2013, 12:51:08 am
Post by: MonkeyHead on April 21, 2013, 03:06:06 am
Post by: Xantalos on April 21, 2013, 03:10:09 am
Does someone wanna break out the "smallest violin" rant from Reserviour Dogs on this one? The issue is not "should or shouldnt I tip?", it is "How in blue hell do companies get away with paying them such a shitty wage that they need the tips to survive?" I find it hard to believe that its legal to pay them less than minimum based on tips.I was wondering that myself. How below minimum are we talking here?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 21, 2013, 03:30:16 am
Post by: Max White on April 21, 2013, 03:35:32 am
Post by: frostshotgg on April 21, 2013, 10:07:35 am
Post by: Graknorke on April 21, 2013, 10:15:57 am
Usually it's more out of convenience than actually setting aside extra money though. As in; just not taking change.Yeah, tipping seems to be one of the things that's only done in America and just seems weird as fuck to the rest of the world. Like using imperial units still. On the flip side, at least it's not a complete dictatorship!Britain and France, I know, do tip.
Post by: Pnx on April 21, 2013, 11:40:38 am
Post by: Onyxjew944 on April 21, 2013, 12:00:39 pm
"I wanna live somewhere warm... maybe a country like Texas"
"Texas isn't a country..."
"No, no. I mean a country in Texas."
Note: Red speaker is a United States citizen in the tenth grade. Blue speaker is a friend of mine.
Post by: Sirus on April 21, 2013, 12:03:50 pm
</grasping at straws>
Post by: Haspen on April 21, 2013, 12:07:11 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on April 21, 2013, 12:40:15 pm
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"I wanna live somewhere warm... maybe a country like Texas">Implying Texas can't be mistaken for a small country filled with horse-riding gun-slinging cowboys singing country music.
"Texas isn't a country..."
"No, no. I mean a country in Texas."
Now if Texas had countries inside of it, that'd be impressive.
Maybe he meant county?
To be fair, I had trouble telling the difference between counties and countries when I a kid. There's a single letter of difference.
Post by: Devling on April 21, 2013, 12:42:50 pm
Post by: tomio175 on April 21, 2013, 01:50:26 pm
Maybe he is a time traveller, who came from a time when Texas WILL BE independent?ftfy
Post by: Slayerhero90 on April 21, 2013, 01:57:26 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 21, 2013, 01:58:36 pm
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noun (plural countries)... I don't think his usage is necessarily incorrect..
1a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory:
the country’s increasingly precarious economic position
Spain, Italy, and other European countries
(the country) the people of a nation:
the whole country took to the streets
2 (often the country) districts and small settlements outside large urban areas or the capital:
the airfield is right out in the country
[as modifier]:
a country lane
3 [mass noun] an area or region with regard to its physical features:
a tract of wild country
a region associated with a particular person, work, or television programme:
an old mansion in Stevenson’s ‘Kidnapped’ country
4short for country music.
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Post by: Onyxjew944 on April 21, 2013, 02:39:33 pm
Spoiler: Youtube Dump (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Pat Robertson Quotes (click to show/hide)
To anyone who is about to site that everything above, with the exception of one video, is by the same person, yes. Yes it is.
Edit: Similarly in before "not all Christians are like that". Yes, you are correct. I simply find these two Christians to be absolutely hilarious to laugh at.
Post by: Dutchling on April 21, 2013, 02:45:31 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 21, 2013, 02:48:48 pm
Napoleon the Third? That dude's an idiot.I hope you're joking, because Napoleon the Third did exist (He's more commonly known as Napoleon Bonaparte), and under his command the French did invade Haiti (which just declared independence).
Post by: Mephisto on April 21, 2013, 02:49:22 pm
Post by: Dutchling on April 21, 2013, 02:53:00 pm
Post by: Devling on April 21, 2013, 02:53:09 pm
Primordial Earth =/= Jar of peanut butter
Post by: Flying Dice on April 21, 2013, 03:23:35 pm
Post by: Oliolli on April 21, 2013, 03:44:06 pm
Post by: Graknorke on April 21, 2013, 03:51:13 pm
Never argue with stupid people, because they will force you down to their level, where they can beat you with experience.Before you argue with someone; you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way you're a mile away from them, and you have their shoes.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 21, 2013, 04:33:52 pm
Make sure they can't catch up to you though. Walk 500 miles then walk 500 more, you'll be the one who walks 1000 miles with their shoes at your door.Never argue with stupid people, because they will force you down to their level, where they can beat you with experience.Before you argue with someone; you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way you're a mile away from them, and you have their shoes.
Post by: frostshotgg on April 21, 2013, 04:48:15 pm
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on April 21, 2013, 04:58:03 pm
Nonono, you don't want to wear their shoes. Do you realize how smelly their feet are? Eww. Make them walk a mile in their shoes. Then they're a mile away and you don't have to smell their feet. It's win-win.Are you implying that getting free shoes is bad?
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 21, 2013, 04:59:17 pm
Post by: Descan on April 21, 2013, 05:03:18 pm
If a bit cold.
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 21, 2013, 05:03:47 pm
Post by: Blargityblarg on April 21, 2013, 05:05:27 pm
What if it just goes into hibernation or something? Boil the shoes. Make shoe soup.
Shoep, if you will.
Post by: Devling on April 21, 2013, 05:10:47 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on April 21, 2013, 05:13:24 pm
Why D&D is Demonic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ifwc_y_S3BY)
Quote from: Top comment numbah one:
how is using magic unchristian and dungeons and dragons demonic when jesus was clearly a 20th level cleric of yahweh
Youtube comments: You love the witty ones, you hate the rest.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 21, 2013, 05:15:09 pm
What if it just goes into hibernation or something? Boil the shoes. Make shoe soup.Boil them, mash them, stick them in another shoe.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 21, 2013, 05:27:31 pm
This reminds me of something I read today...What if it just goes into hibernation or something? Boil the shoes. Make shoe soup.Boil them, mash them, stick them in another shoe.
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According to most accounts, vultures are given the whole body. Then, when only the bones remain, these are broken up with mallets, ground with tsampa (barley flour with tea and yak butter, or milk), and given to the crows and hawks that have waited for the vultures to depart.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_burial#Procedure
In several accounts, the flesh was stripped from the bones and given to vultures without further preparation; the bones then were broken up with sledgehammers, and usually mixed with tsampa before being given to the vultures. Many rogyapa first feed the bones and cartilage to the vultures, keeping the best flesh until last. After having had their fill of good quality meat, the birds usually fly away - leaving the bones and less favored bits.
In one account, the leading rogyapa cut off the limbs and hacked the body to pieces, handing each part to his assistants, who used rocks to pound the flesh and bones together to a pulp, which they mixed with tsampa before the vultures were summoned to eat.
Sometimes the internal organs were removed and processed separately, but they too were consumed by birds. The hair is removed from the head and may be simply thrown away; at Drigung, it seems, at least some hair is kept in a room of the monastery.
None of the eyewitness accounts specify which kind of knife is used in the jhator.
Post by: Vattic on April 21, 2013, 06:26:08 pm
I think the weak point in the antievolution argument he puts forward isI like how the foil has already been partly opened as if to make sure there wasn't any new life before recording.
Primordial Earth =/= Jar of peanut butter
Post by: Akura on April 21, 2013, 07:02:22 pm
Epic levels, if anything. How else could someone cast True Resurrection that often, including on himself?Why D&D is Demonic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ifwc_y_S3BY)Quote from: Top comment numbah one:how is using magic unchristian and dungeons and dragons demonic when jesus was clearly a 20th level cleric of yahweh
Youtube comments: You love the witty ones, you hate the rest.
Post by: Mephisto on April 21, 2013, 07:43:43 pm
Epic levels, if anything. How else could someone cast True Resurrection that often, including on himself?Why D&D is Demonic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ifwc_y_S3BY)Quote from: Top comment numbah one:how is using magic unchristian and dungeons and dragons demonic when jesus was clearly a 20th level cleric of yahweh
Youtube comments: You love the witty ones, you hate the rest.
How else? Be a rogue (any level) with Feign Death (Exemplars of Evil).
Post by: tahujdt on April 21, 2013, 07:48:27 pm
Feign Death has a spell equivilant, too. I doubt that he needed to cast True Resurrection, a simple Raise Dead would have sufficed. Also, he probably had Miracle as an at-will power.Epic levels, if anything. How else could someone cast True Resurrection that often, including on himself?Why D&D is Demonic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ifwc_y_S3BY)Quote from: Top comment numbah one:how is using magic unchristian and dungeons and dragons demonic when jesus was clearly a 20th level cleric of yahweh
Youtube comments: You love the witty ones, you hate the rest.
How else? Be a rogue (any level) with Feign Death (Exemplars of Evil).
Post by: FearfulJesuit on April 21, 2013, 07:50:37 pm
This is like Swedish on hard mode.
Post by: tahujdt on April 21, 2013, 07:54:03 pm
So it seems I'm learning German now.You think that's bad, try English!
This is like Swedish on hard mode.
Post by: Ultimuh on April 21, 2013, 08:07:55 pm
Was born and raised in Greenland, never really got hang of the language.
(Luckily Danish is still Second Language there.)
Post by: FearfulJesuit on April 21, 2013, 08:13:56 pm
Try learning Greenlandic.
Was born and raised in Greenland, never really got hang of the language.
(Luckily Danish is still Second Language there.)
Oh my god. *drools* Do...
...do you have any books on it?
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 21, 2013, 08:21:49 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on April 21, 2013, 08:25:10 pm
Please be from a private school D:Oh South Carolina, you crazySpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Devling on April 21, 2013, 08:28:25 pm
Wait...Oh South Carolina, you crazySpoiler (click to show/hide)
"If an animal has sharp teeth, that does mean it is a meat eater?"
When did god say "And this animal I make with sharp teeth, but not to eat meat.
Post by: Akura on April 21, 2013, 08:30:24 pm
Post by: Devling on April 21, 2013, 08:31:45 pm
Post by: Jervill on April 21, 2013, 08:41:29 pm
Please be from a private school D:Oh South Carolina, you crazySpoiler (click to show/hide)
Most likely it's a home-schooled kid or one of those groups of home schooled kids taught by someone like Andrew Schlafy.
Post by: Sirus on April 21, 2013, 08:41:42 pm
More than anything else on that, and that's really saying something, the last is causing me the most brain damage. Explain?Well, obviously there was no death in the Garden of Eden so nothing ate meat. Don't try to argue against it though, or you might offend my religious beliefs you pagan scum.
</strawman>
Post by: Hanslanda on April 21, 2013, 11:05:58 pm
More than anything else on that, and that's really saying something, the last is causing me the most brain damage. Explain?Well, obviously there was no death in the Garden of Eden so nothing ate meat. Don't try to argue against it though, or you might offend my religious beliefs you pagan scum.
</strawman>
I counter your blatant strawman with ironically hypocritical comments! Obviously [insert religion here] is [my feelings on religion], so obviously you need to [believe exactly what I believe] or you're just a overzealous, deluded idiot! :P
Post by: tahujdt on April 21, 2013, 11:22:10 pm
If you think that, then [insert insult here]! You are [pick one: stupid, racist, pagan, atheist, eternally damned]!More than anything else on that, and that's really saying something, the last is causing me the most brain damage. Explain?Well, obviously there was no death in the Garden of Eden so nothing ate meat. Don't try to argue against it though, or you might offend my religious beliefs you pagan scum.
</strawman>
I counter your blatant strawman with ironically hypocritical comments! Obviously [insert religion here] is [my feelings on religion], so obviously you need to [believe exactly what I believe] or you're just a overzealous, deluded idiot! :P
Post by: tahujdt on April 21, 2013, 11:26:03 pm
Just thought of this. If you consider Jesus as an outsider, then he would have used a True Resurrection on himself, and Raise dead on everyone else.Feign Death has a spell equivilant, too. I doubt that he needed to cast True Resurrection, a simple Raise Dead would have sufficed. Also, he probably had Miracle as an at-will power.Epic levels, if anything. How else could someone cast True Resurrection that often, including on himself?Why D&D is Demonic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ifwc_y_S3BY)Quote from: Top comment numbah one:how is using magic unchristian and dungeons and dragons demonic when jesus was clearly a 20th level cleric of yahweh
Youtube comments: You love the witty ones, you hate the rest.
How else? Be a rogue (any level) with Feign Death (Exemplars of Evil).
Post by: Flying Dice on April 21, 2013, 11:39:46 pm
Speaking of which... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKV2Z3eYTY) Be warned, very gory.Just thought of this. If you consider Jesus as an outsider, then he would have used a True Resurrection on himself, and Raise dead on everyone else.Feign Death has a spell equivilant, too. I doubt that he needed to cast True Resurrection, a simple Raise Dead would have sufficed. Also, he probably had Miracle as an at-will power.Epic levels, if anything. How else could someone cast True Resurrection that often, including on himself?Why D&D is Demonic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ifwc_y_S3BY)Quote from: Top comment numbah one:how is using magic unchristian and dungeons and dragons demonic when jesus was clearly a 20th level cleric of yahweh
Youtube comments: You love the witty ones, you hate the rest.
How else? Be a rogue (any level) with Feign Death (Exemplars of Evil).
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 21, 2013, 11:42:23 pm
Illegal if it isn't. Public schools are barred from both teaching creationism and teaching Christianity (outside of a literary perspective).Please be from a private school D:Oh South Carolina, you crazySpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on April 21, 2013, 11:44:40 pm
Post by: AlleeCat on April 22, 2013, 12:00:32 am
Just remember everyone: Jesus Saves... And takes half damage.Speaking of which... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKV2Z3eYTY)Just thought of this. If you consider Jesus as an outsider, then he would have used a True Resurrection on himself, and Raise dead on everyone else.Feign Death has a spell equivilant, too. I doubt that he needed to cast True Resurrection, a simple Raise Dead would have sufficed. Also, he probably had Miracle as an at-will power.Epic levels, if anything. How else could someone cast True Resurrection that often, including on himself?Why D&D is Demonic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ifwc_y_S3BY)Quote from: Top comment numbah one:how is using magic unchristian and dungeons and dragons demonic when jesus was clearly a 20th level cleric of yahweh
Youtube comments: You love the witty ones, you hate the rest.
How else? Be a rogue (any level) with Feign Death (Exemplars of Evil).
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 22, 2013, 12:10:00 am
Post by: tahujdt on April 22, 2013, 12:11:36 am
Post by: Flying Dice on April 22, 2013, 12:12:56 am
You should REALLY add a NSFW label on that, FD. It's actually pretty gruesome in a grindhouse sort of way.Done, but it's too late for the one in the quote that people are going to curiously click on.
Post by: Ultimuh on April 22, 2013, 02:24:38 am
Try learning Greenlandic.
Was born and raised in Greenland, never really got hang of the language.
(Luckily Danish is still Second Language there.)
Oh my god. *drools* Do...
...do you have any books on it?
Sorry but no..
However I found something which could be of use to you instead. (http://www.omniglot.com/writing/greenlandic.htm)
And a Greenlandic song with Greenlandic and English subtitles, in case you want to hear how it actually sounds. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wQb2HiXsLi0)
Post by: SealyStar on April 22, 2013, 02:11:10 pm
Also, concerning the Greenlandic song:
This further supports my "well-researched" conclusion that with an acoustic guitar and the right vocal range, you can sing in literally any language and sound like an American speaking English (save for the bizarre "ll" fricative and so forth).
I can provide previous evidence from Spanish, Japanese, and Russian.
Post by: tahujdt on April 22, 2013, 03:49:12 pm
God, that "Fist of Jesus" was hilarious.My old Spanish teacher had a similar theory, except he tested it in Afrikaans.
Also, concerning the Greenlandic song:
This further supports my "well-researched" conclusion that with an acoustic guitar and the right vocal range, you can sing in literally any language and sound like an American speaking English (save for the bizarre "ll" fricative and so forth).
I can provide previous evidence from Spanish, Japanese, and Russian.
Post by: Beardless on April 22, 2013, 04:01:52 pm
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A: Oh ok
I cannot comprehend the sheer willful ignorance it takes to ignore a caption like that, but the "Oh ok" is somehow even more disenheartening.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 22, 2013, 05:34:24 pm
Honestly, I think he needs some tranquilizer. Then a psychiatrist. And some more tranquilizers.
Post by: tahujdt on April 22, 2013, 05:36:46 pm
My brother, yelling as loudly, threateningly, and authoritatively as he could muster: "I DON'T HAVE AN ANGER ISSUE!"This. Also,
Honestly, I think he needs some tranquilizer. Then a psychiatrist. And some more tranquilizers.
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Post by: Graknorke on April 22, 2013, 05:37:39 pm
My brother, yelling as loudly, threateningly, and authoritatively as he could muster: "I DON'T HAVE AN ANGER ISSUE!"Being angry doesn't mean that he has an anger issue.
Honestly, I think he needs some tranquilizer. Then a psychiatrist. And some more tranquilizers.
That would be if he's angry when he shouldn't be.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 22, 2013, 05:42:36 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on April 22, 2013, 06:36:57 pm
That way he could concentrate his anger on something specific without potentially harming anyone?
Post by: Hanslanda on April 22, 2013, 10:22:01 pm
Give him a punching bag to work out on whenever he gets in that mood.
That way he could concentrate his anger on something specific without potentially harming anyone?
Catharsis is a lie. Humans are creatures of habit. If you always punch things when you get angry, you're going to associate punching things with feeling better. And since anger lowers you inhibitions about violence and clouds your thinking process, that is definitely Not Good.
Post by: Xantalos on April 22, 2013, 10:27:36 pm
This man speaks the truth.Give him a punching bag to work out on whenever he gets in that mood.
That way he could concentrate his anger on something specific without potentially harming anyone?
Catharsis is a lie. Humans are creatures of habit. If you always punch things when you get angry, you're going to associate punching things with feeling better. And since anger lowers you inhibitions about violence and clouds your thinking process, that is definitely Not Good.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 22, 2013, 10:28:22 pm
And since anger lowers you inhibitions about violence and clouds your thinking process, that is definitely Not Good.I find that anger clears the clouds and gives me increased clarity.
Post by: Xantalos on April 22, 2013, 10:29:50 pm
I think you're talking about Anger, while what Hans is referring to is rage. 2 different things.And since anger lowers you inhibitions about violence and clouds your thinking process, that is definitely Not Good.I find that anger clears the clouds and gives me increased clarity.
Post by: Hanslanda on April 22, 2013, 10:30:39 pm
And since anger lowers you inhibitions about violence and clouds your thinking process, that is definitely Not Good.I find that anger clears the clouds and gives me increased clarity.
Everyone is different, in some cases. For the most part though, it's bad to punch things when you're angry because then you punch whatever is nearby when you're angry. Like metal things. Walls. People. Your children. Don't do that.
Post by: tahujdt on April 22, 2013, 10:33:51 pm
Analytically speaking, yes, but that only applies to the short term. You're still more likely to do stuff you'll regret. If you're talking about what I think you are, it's most likely that you are experiencing mental clarity in abstract though only, with the critical thinking parts still inhibited. But, since I don't know you, I shouldn't really judge. Sorry if this sounded too condescending.And since anger lowers you inhibitions about violence and clouds your thinking process, that is definitely Not Good.I find that anger clears the clouds and gives me increased clarity.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 22, 2013, 11:20:14 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 22, 2013, 11:22:50 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on April 22, 2013, 11:23:50 pm
Post by: Xantalos on April 22, 2013, 11:24:20 pm
The biggest thing that I notice about anger is that while it clarifies and clears your sense of purpose in the short term, it tends to greatly reduce your ability to view the long term. As such you become more likely to do things that are harmful in the long run, simply because said things are more beneficial to your short term goals (notably to get back at whatever is causing the anger).Yeah. Anger gets me motivated to do stuff, but said stuff is neither productive not sanctioned by the Geneva Convention.
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 22, 2013, 11:29:27 pm
The biggest thing that I notice about anger is that while it clarifies and clears your sense of purpose in the short term, it tends to greatly reduce your ability to view the long term. As such you become more likely to do things that are harmful in the long run, simply because said things are more beneficial to your short term goals (notably to get back at whatever is causing the anger).
Well said. I try not to get angry at all, as arguments can get one-sided without any proper logic. Not to mention that you often want to put your fist into a face.
Post by: Putnam on April 22, 2013, 11:43:34 pm
And since anger lowers you inhibitions about violence and clouds your thinking process, that is definitely Not Good.I find that anger clears the clouds and gives me increased clarity.
I find that nothing does that better than thinking instead of just kinda doing things as I normally do.
Post by: SalmonGod on April 22, 2013, 11:48:49 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on April 23, 2013, 02:52:42 am
Post by: Tellemurius on April 23, 2013, 03:07:56 am
Well I used to break plenty of SNES controllers back in the day. :pmy brother had controller rage too, he once broke a xbox controller of mine, i punched him really hard for that, seriously, stop taking out your anger on my poor defenseless items.
Post by: Max White on April 23, 2013, 03:11:41 am
Never broke a single controller...
Post by: Ultimuh on April 23, 2013, 03:17:40 am
I had a NES. You all remember the NES? That grey box filled with mystery and pain?
Never broke a single controller...
Ooh.. The NES.. that brings memories of a certain rage-inducing game..
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.. The first game I had which I could rage over. :p
That third Mario game comes to mind as well.. with the tanuki suit, frog suit.. the boot.. Loved it..
And then a game which i sorely miss.. Startropics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8i_rr4ZbsU).
Post by: SalmonGod on April 23, 2013, 03:19:04 am
Post by: Max White on April 23, 2013, 03:21:09 am
Beat Zelda 1 and 2 without any guide or walk through. Who even does that? Do you have any idea how many years that takes? How much pain it is beating the second Zelda 1 quest without a map? Games were hardcore, and then the internet happened.
Post by: Mech#4 on April 23, 2013, 03:32:23 am
Post by: SalmonGod on April 23, 2013, 03:50:23 am
Games were hardcore, and then the internet happened.
I'll quit most games before I'll resort to looking up a guide :P
Post by: Dutchling on April 23, 2013, 06:25:31 am
Games were hardcore, and then the internet happened.
I'll quit most games before I'll resort to looking up a guide :P
Same here. Usually I don't even think of looking for help on the internet. I got plenty of games, no need to waste time playing super hard ones xD
Post by: Mech#4 on April 23, 2013, 06:28:41 am
Post by: Ultimuh on April 23, 2013, 06:30:08 am
Edit: Made one right here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125417.0).
Post by: tahujdt on April 23, 2013, 08:19:35 am
Hmm.. someone should probably make a NES/SNES thread or a nostalgia one so we would not clutter this one up.I dunno, this is keeping the topic off sensitive subjects. Let's keep going.
Edit: Made one right here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125417.0).
Anyways, favorite SNES game?
Post by: IronTomato on April 24, 2013, 07:14:58 am
Anyways, favorite SNES game?Super Metroid...
It took me forever to figure out you could sprint in that game...
Post by: IronTomato on April 25, 2013, 07:09:59 am
Hey, this is fake! There's no Earth!
Post by: Graknorke on April 25, 2013, 12:56:31 pm
Quote
You could have the best computer in the world, but still have shit hardware.
Post by: tomio175 on April 25, 2013, 01:01:53 pm
My parents knowledge of computers is better than that. Which says a lot, since my mom thought Chrome was a virus, thought putting the computer in a thermal box thing (you know, where you can keep your drinks cool) since she thought it'd help. Good news is, I have a new computer. Bad news is, ALL OF THE REACTION PICSQuoteYou could have the best computer in the world, but still have shit hardware.
Post by: tahujdt on April 25, 2013, 01:08:32 pm
My mom refuses to use Chrome b/c she thinks it makes the computer run slower. O.OMy parents knowledge of computers is better than that. Which says a lot, since my mom thought Chrome was a virus, thought putting the computer in a thermal box thing (you know, where you can keep your drinks cool) since she thought it'd help. Good news is, I have a new computer. Bad news is, ALL OF THE REACTION PICSQuoteYou could have the best computer in the world, but still have shit hardware.and the pr0n :'(
She just has a shitty computer.
Post by: frostshotgg on April 25, 2013, 01:24:37 pm
Post by: Akura on April 25, 2013, 03:25:31 pm
I was looking at the faucet valve for the dishwashing sink, and noticed it was made by a company called American Valve. Then I saw next to it the country where the valve was manufactured: China.
...Goddamnit.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 25, 2013, 03:29:46 pm
Post by: Putnam on April 26, 2013, 12:17:32 am
Anyways, favorite SNES game?Super Metroid...
It took me forever to figure out you could sprint in that game...
I always changed the controls before starting, so I always knew.
Post by: AlleeCat on April 26, 2013, 03:09:08 pm
If I don't have a manual or a tutorial for a game, I just immediately press all the buttons just to see what each one does. It generally helps.Anyways, favorite SNES game?Super Metroid...
It took me forever to figure out you could sprint in that game...
I always changed the controls before starting, so I always knew.
Post by: SealyStar on April 29, 2013, 07:21:42 pm
I got more tumblr idiocy!
"A toddler and a flying dog CANNOT do work intended for an adult human." (http://i.imgur.com/OYtx5se.png)
"Non-kin stealing our identities belittles the battles we face every day..." (http://i.imgur.com/kjPjGrk.png)
"It's because in a past life I was a Japanese tortoise!" (http://i.imgur.com/rmYXfML.jpg)
Post by: Devling on April 29, 2013, 07:32:46 pm
Remember that lulzy post about otherkin and their... kin a while back?Serious. Business.
I got more tumblr idiocy!
"A toddler and a flying dog CANNOT do work intended for an adult human." (http://i.imgur.com/OYtx5se.png)
"Non-kin stealing our identities belittles the battles we face every day..." (http://i.imgur.com/kjPjGrk.png)
"It's because in a past life I was a Japanese tortoise!" (http://i.imgur.com/rmYXfML.jpg)
Post by: frostshotgg on April 29, 2013, 07:45:49 pm
Remember that lulzy post about otherkin and their... kin a while back?Oh god even just the side bar on the first link makes me want to kill or cry or kill crying people. I just don't even. I fucking don't.
I got more tumblr idiocy!
"A toddler and a flying dog CANNOT do work intended for an adult human." (http://i.imgur.com/OYtx5se.png)
"Non-kin stealing our identities belittles the battles we face every day..." (http://i.imgur.com/kjPjGrk.png)
"It's because in a past life I was a Japanese tortoise!" (http://i.imgur.com/rmYXfML.jpg)
BEING FAT ISNT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. YOU CANT PUT TRANS IN FRONT OF ANY WORD AND MAKE IT LOOK OPPRESSED. PRIVILEGE ISNT A REAL THING. ARG.
Post by: SealyStar on April 29, 2013, 08:00:20 pm
Remember that lulzy post about otherkin and their... kin a while back?Oh god even just the side bar on the first link makes me want to kill or cry or kill crying people. I just don't even. I fucking don't.
I got more tumblr idiocy!
"A toddler and a flying dog CANNOT do work intended for an adult human." (http://i.imgur.com/OYtx5se.png)
"Non-kin stealing our identities belittles the battles we face every day..." (http://i.imgur.com/kjPjGrk.png)
"It's because in a past life I was a Japanese tortoise!" (http://i.imgur.com/rmYXfML.jpg)
BEING FAT ISNT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. YOU CANT PUT TRANS IN FRONT OF ANY WORD AND MAKE IT LOOK OPPRESSED. PRIVILEGE ISNT A REAL THING. ARG.
I am willing to accept the concept, if not the excessive application, of "white privilege", "male privilege", and to a lesser extent "straight privilege". Any other "privilege" is totally dubious.
Post by: Onyxjew944 on April 29, 2013, 08:12:17 pm
Remember that lulzy post about otherkin and their... kin a while back?(http://i.imgur.com/633Bm.gif)
I got more tumblr idiocy!
"A toddler and a flying dog CANNOT do work intended for an adult human." (http://i.imgur.com/OYtx5se.png)
"Non-kin stealing our identities belittles the battles we face every day..." (http://i.imgur.com/kjPjGrk.png)
"It's because in a past life I was a Japanese tortoise!" (http://i.imgur.com/rmYXfML.jpg)
Post by: Greiger on April 29, 2013, 08:16:39 pm
Me: "Can you explain to me what the computer is doing weird? Is it turning itself off, or is it telling you to buy something? Anything like that?"
"It's just acting weird."
Me: "Is it not starting when you turn it on? I'm afraid 'acting weird' is a vague description and I can't help much with just that to go on. If you think it could be a virus you could go to this website ... ... and try the online scanner."
"You are not helpful at all."
Note that I'm not getting paid for this email correspondence, it's just a fellow online class student who found out I'm a computer guy.
Post by: Descan on April 29, 2013, 08:19:53 pm
If it wasn't "online class student" then next time I saw them I'd say "What the hell was that in the e-mails? Are you TRYING to be obtuse? I can't help you if I don't know what your computer is actually doing, and "acting weird" is about as good a descriptor as saying someone "looked white"."
Post by: Sirus on April 29, 2013, 08:22:02 pm
"My computer is acting weird."Ugh. I feel your pain.
Me: "Can you explain to me what the computer is doing weird? Is it turning itself off, or is it telling you to buy something? Anything like that?"
"It's just acting weird."
Me: "Is it not starting when you turn it on? I'm afraid 'acting weird' is a vague description and I can't help much with just that to go on. If you think it could be a virus you could go to this website ... ... and try the online scanner."
"You are not helpful at all."
Note that I'm not getting paid for this email correspondence, it's just a fellow online class student who found out I'm a computer guy.
Post by: SealyStar on April 29, 2013, 08:22:53 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f85294414a5eff8dbb9813abf8c6cba7/tumblr_mf3voyrKtg1rk6hcio1_500.png)
And a good article:
"From Otherkin to Transethnicity: Your Field Guide to the Weird World of Tumblr Identity Politics" (http://gawker.com/5940947/from-otherkin-to-transethnicity-your-field-guide-to-the-weird-world-of-tumblr-identity-politics)
EDIT:
Oh Christ, this is actually the source of that "Best of tumblr.txt" :P
Post by: NobodyPro on April 29, 2013, 08:38:46 pm
"It's because in a past life I was a Japanese tortoise!" (http://i.imgur.com/rmYXfML.jpg)The very idea of peanut butter with chocolate chips is just mind boggling.
Post by: Sirus on April 29, 2013, 08:40:16 pm
Never had a chocolate peanut butter cup? They're pretty damn tasty."It's because in a past life I was a Japanese tortoise!" (http://i.imgur.com/rmYXfML.jpg)The very idea of peanut butter with chocolate chips is just mind boggling.
Post by: Devling on April 29, 2013, 08:48:47 pm
It's actually not that weird.
Unless I'm just missing the terrible implications.
Post by: frostshotgg on April 29, 2013, 09:04:48 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 29, 2013, 09:13:34 pm
So yes, the terrible implication is that they're trying to seem oppressed. The Tumblr social justice community's entire problem is that they're an out of control oppression olympics which also has mentally ill people in the running.
Post by: Devling on April 29, 2013, 09:14:24 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on April 29, 2013, 09:17:02 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 29, 2013, 09:19:24 pm
Post by: Xantalos on April 29, 2013, 09:20:08 pm
It's hard to say. /b/ is for the most part self-contained. The tumblr social justice people invite themselves in. Everywhere. They don't even stay on tumblr. I'm expecting one to be alerted by a spider bot and burst into Bay 12 any second now.Oh god you mentioned them
They're coming
Post by: Devling on April 29, 2013, 09:20:18 pm
/tg/ can actually be pretty cool at times.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on April 29, 2013, 09:21:57 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on April 29, 2013, 09:45:42 pm
Please don't talk about how they're going to "burst" in. That triggers one of my headmates. Xe's very fragile. Check your privilege.So it begins. :P
Post by: frostshotgg on April 29, 2013, 09:56:11 pm
Please don't talk about how they're going to "burst" in. That triggers one of my headmates. Xe's very fragile. Check your privilege.I'm transgendered, transfat, transable, and multiple. I'm more marginalised. My opinion is more valid.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on April 29, 2013, 09:57:13 pm
Post by: Devling on April 29, 2013, 09:57:47 pm
I hate you all equally. >:ccommunist
Post by: FearfulJesuit on April 29, 2013, 09:58:07 pm
Post by: Sirus on April 29, 2013, 09:59:34 pm
I hate you all equally. >:cWhich is not very much at all, right?
...right?
Post by: AlleeCat on April 29, 2013, 10:00:27 pm
I honestly think it's hilarious that there are people who think that they're actually wolves in the bodies of humans. So much so that the wearing of spirit hoods is actually offensive to them. I just cannot believe they want special treatment because of this. I mean, I may be transgender, but that fact alone does not stop me from leading a productive, normal life, nor would being a cat in a human body.
Post by: Xantalos on April 29, 2013, 10:01:05 pm
I'm transpotato. Give me free money.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 29, 2013, 10:03:33 pm
When I spend too much time on tumblr I find that the seething hatred for humanity I feel is not in any way minor.I hate you all equally. >:cWhich is not very much at all, right?
...right?
Or maybe I'm just allowing my draconic nature to show through. It's rather shameful for me to speak like this to humans.
Post by: Descan on April 29, 2013, 10:05:48 pm
Don't let MZ see you, Xan!
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 29, 2013, 10:05:58 pm
That said, I was a gravitational singularity in a past life. You star children need to check your privilege.
Post by: Scelly9 on April 29, 2013, 10:07:18 pm
Post by: Xantalos on April 29, 2013, 10:07:24 pm
Oh shi-...Transpotato. I am beyond mere potato. I am now ...
Don't let MZ see you, Xan!
CABBAGE/RADISH
Post by: Descan on April 29, 2013, 10:09:01 pm
To be honest guys, a lot of people on tumblr feel -exactly- the same as you. You see the one guy posting about the wolf-hoodie or whatever, what you DON'T see is the thousands of notes and reblogs of people going "What the fuck is this shit?"
Post by: Sirus on April 29, 2013, 10:09:42 pm
I'll just let myself out...
Post by: Max White on April 29, 2013, 10:11:28 pm
Post by: Xantalos on April 29, 2013, 10:12:53 pm
I was atoms under going nuclear fusion in a past life before my sun exploded. I find people being in sunlight highly offensive to my heritage. It is disrespectful of the unbelievable pressure and energy exerted.So in order for you to be satisfied, everyone but vampires has to be taking a several-billion year shit?
Post by: Max White on April 29, 2013, 10:14:02 pm
Post by: Descan on April 29, 2013, 10:14:42 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on April 29, 2013, 10:15:19 pm
This...is this what being a social conservative up in arms about teh gayz feels like? At least a little?
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:15:29 pm
Your sarcasm is singularist. You need to check your privelage.I was atoms under going nuclear fusion in a past life before my sun exploded. I find people being in sunlight highly offensive to my heritage. It is disrespectful of the unbelievable pressure and energy exerted.So in order for you to be satisfied, everyone but vampires has to be taking a several-billion year shit?
Post by: AlleeCat on April 29, 2013, 10:15:56 pm
Post by: Sirus on April 29, 2013, 10:17:30 pm
Post by: Max White on April 29, 2013, 10:18:41 pm
Post by: Sirus on April 29, 2013, 10:19:38 pm
I don't tumblr, or 4chan, or reddit... Or any other sites with similar format where people post the same stupid joke again and again until it starts to cause brain damage.Do you go to Bay 12's upper boards much?
Post by: Xantalos on April 29, 2013, 10:20:34 pm
Contrary to popular belief, the Adv Mode forum is actually an endlessly repeating chain of 'Help, I can't beat [FOE_X]!'I don't tumblr, or 4chan, or reddit... Or any other sites with similar format where people post the same stupid joke again and again until it starts to cause brain damage.Do you go to Bay 12's upper boards much?
Post by: Max White on April 29, 2013, 10:22:01 pm
Do you go to Bay 12's upper boards much?No, never. 'Other games' is the highest I dare reach. They say the land beyond is a haunted biome.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 29, 2013, 10:22:46 pm
What I want to know is, why do Tumblr idiots inspire so much rage? They're really just irrational idiots, far less dangerous than right-wing nuts; but the right-wing nuts don't make me as angry as the transethnic demisexual otherkins.It's not even really rage, it's just extreme bewilderment. The only part that makes me angry is that things like this can be used to discredit legitimate rights movements.
This...is this what being a social conservative up in arms about teh gayz feels like? At least a little?
It's not the same as what social conservatives feel like. They're filled with irrational religious fervor.
Post by: Xantalos on April 29, 2013, 10:23:10 pm
Of a sort, yes. I wander there a little.Do you go to Bay 12's upper boards much?No, never. 'Other games' is the highest I dare reach. They say the land beyond is a haunted biome.
Post by: Sirus on April 29, 2013, 10:23:48 pm
Just checking :PDo you go to Bay 12's upper boards much?No, never. 'Other games' is the highest I dare reach. They say the land beyond is a haunted biome.
Post by: Hanslanda on April 29, 2013, 10:24:21 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on April 29, 2013, 10:25:01 pm
Post by: Xantalos on April 29, 2013, 10:25:15 pm
So. What the hell is going on here... o.oYou don't really want to know. It IS the Stupid thread, after all.
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:25:41 pm
I would like to point out that liberals get the exact same way over the environment and gun control, regardless of the facts.What I want to know is, why do Tumblr idiots inspire so much rage? They're really just irrational idiots, far less dangerous than right-wing nuts; but the right-wing nuts don't make me as angry as the transethnic demisexual otherkins.It's not even really rage, it's just extreme bewilderment. The only part that makes me angry is that things like this can be used to discredit legitimate rights movements.
This...is this what being a social conservative up in arms about teh gayz feels like? At least a little?
It's not the same as what social conservatives feel like. They're filled with irrational religious fervor.
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:26:56 pm
Also, I have a new sig.So. What the hell is going on here... o.oYou don't really want to know. It IS the Stupid thread, after all.
Post by: Max White on April 29, 2013, 10:27:41 pm
So. What the hell is going on here... o.oWe were discussing our plans to start a coffee plantation as a front for acquiring ancient artifacts that may or may not raise the dead.
What does it look like? We are dicking around!
Post by: Descan on April 29, 2013, 10:28:46 pm
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:29:57 pm
I feel the need to say both "Is this Liberals with a Capital L or actual people that exist beyond your strawmen?" and "CAN WE NOT START A 50 PAGE POLITICAL DISCUSSION IN HERE AGAIN?"
Quote from: The Entire Population of the Seventies
Oh noes! Global Cooling!
Post by: Descan on April 29, 2013, 10:30:44 pm
Okay, carry on, I feel no need to discuss this in that case.
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:31:43 pm
Ah, so the strawmen.There are tons of news articles from the Seventies about global cooling.
Okay, carry on, I feel no need to discuss this in that case.
Post by: Descan on April 29, 2013, 10:32:37 pm
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:35:40 pm
And now there aren't. Funny how science marches on.Now we're on to global warming, even though the climate hasn't changed in (at last major study) 16 years. Nonetheless, people are getting irrationally ferverated on the topic.
Post by: Sirus on April 29, 2013, 10:35:49 pm
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:36:29 pm
Post by: Sirus on April 29, 2013, 10:38:31 pm
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:39:24 pm
Post by: Max White on April 29, 2013, 10:41:41 pm
You seem a little tense. Perhaps getting something to drink then coming back might help? Or you could go for a jog, they always make me feel great.
Post by: Sirus on April 29, 2013, 10:42:31 pm
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:43:30 pm
Hi there Tahujdt, how are you feeling today?Tense? That was intended to be sarcastic. Also, where I live, it is 10:43 PM, or 22:43 for those of you on the 24 hour system.
You seem a little tense. Perhaps getting something to drink then coming back might help? Or you could go for a jog, they always make me feel great.
Post by: Scelly9 on April 29, 2013, 10:45:42 pm
So?Hi there Tahujdt, how are you feeling today?Tense? That was intended to be sarcastic. Also, where I live, it is 10:43 PM, or 22:43 for those of you on the 24 hour system.
You seem a little tense. Perhaps getting something to drink then coming back might help? Or you could go for a jog, they always make me feel great.
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:46:19 pm
I can't really go jogging, I'm in bed supposedly asleep.So?Hi there Tahujdt, how are you feeling today?Tense? That was intended to be sarcastic. Also, where I live, it is 10:43 PM, or 22:43 for those of you on the 24 hour system.
You seem a little tense. Perhaps getting something to drink then coming back might help? Or you could go for a jog, they always make me feel great.
Post by: Scelly9 on April 29, 2013, 10:48:24 pm
Night jogging is the best kind of jogging.I can't really go jogging, I'm in bed supposedly asleep.So?Hi there Tahujdt, how are you feeling today?Tense? That was intended to be sarcastic. Also, where I live, it is 10:43 PM, or 22:43 for those of you on the 24 hour system.
You seem a little tense. Perhaps getting something to drink then coming back might help? Or you could go for a jog, they always make me feel great.
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:50:39 pm
Not on my street. Not because its bad, but because of the extreme hilliness and lack of sidewalks. Very dangerous.Night jogging is the best kind of jogging.I can't really go jogging, I'm in bed supposedly asleep.So?Hi there Tahujdt, how are you feeling today?Tense? That was intended to be sarcastic. Also, where I live, it is 10:43 PM, or 22:43 for those of you on the 24 hour system.
You seem a little tense. Perhaps getting something to drink then coming back might help? Or you could go for a jog, they always make me feel great.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 29, 2013, 10:51:56 pm
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 10:52:59 pm
I've gone jogging at midnight before. It actually helped me get over my anxiety concerning darkness.Did you miss the "dangerous" part? Even with lights, a car couldn't see me until it was too late.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 29, 2013, 10:53:36 pm
Post by: Catsup on April 29, 2013, 11:01:04 pm
Did you miss the "dangerous" part? Even with lights, a car couldn't see me until it was too late.so apparently pedestrians in some countries have to give right of way to cars first in these kind of situations. You should learn to watch for the lights of cars when jogging at night next time.
Post by: tahujdt on April 29, 2013, 11:02:56 pm
The hills are extremely steep. Anyway, this is probably gonna be a bigger derail than the politics.Did you miss the "dangerous" part? Even with lights, a car couldn't see me until it was too late.so apparently pedestrians in some countries have to give right of way to cars first in these kind of situations. You should learn to watch for the lights of cars when jogging at night next time.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 30, 2013, 12:28:34 am
Post by: Xantalos on April 30, 2013, 12:29:37 am
The solution is obviously to be a grizzly bear made of steel. If you're a grizzly bear made of steel, ain't nobody what can tell you where to jog.I'll one-up that and say dragon made of adamantine.
Or a cabbage made of slade. Slabbage.
Post by: Devling on April 30, 2013, 12:41:26 am
Slabbage made of dragon.
Post by: Max White on April 30, 2013, 12:48:26 am
Post by: MaximumZero on April 30, 2013, 12:55:05 am
Slabbage Dragossus.That's a 5 green green 6/6 Magic card.
Post by: Xantalos on April 30, 2013, 12:58:03 am
I have no idea what that was, but I imagine it involved radish sorcery.Slabbage Dragossus.That's a 5 green green 6/6 Magic card.
Post by: Knight of Fools on April 30, 2013, 04:15:37 am
Post by: Slayerhero90 on April 30, 2013, 07:10:44 am
Post by: Max White on April 30, 2013, 07:16:13 am
Post by: LaDestitute on April 30, 2013, 09:59:58 am
Post by: Scoops Novel on April 30, 2013, 10:01:57 am
One thing comes to mind...Bill O'reily's conversation with the president of the American Atheist Association or whatever. His face is priceless, i.e the "are you serious" face.
Who's Bill O'reily? Also, context.
Post by: Reelya on April 30, 2013, 10:09:23 am
Click the pic for context.
Post by: Scoops Novel on April 30, 2013, 10:35:16 am
Post by: MaximumZero on April 30, 2013, 11:38:03 am
I love when Neil deGrasse Tyson destroys Bill'O. That always makes me go ^_^.One thing comes to mind...Bill O'reily's conversation with the president of the American Atheist Association or whatever. His face is priceless, i.e the "are you serious" face.
Who's Bill O'reily? Also, context.
Post by: MaximumZero on April 30, 2013, 11:49:29 am
Post by: Sheb on April 30, 2013, 12:10:11 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hanslanda on April 30, 2013, 12:10:30 pm
...
Actually, me, a high school graduate with no further formal education, and a felon to boot, can, in fact, explain why the tides go in and go out. -.-
Post by: RedKing on April 30, 2013, 12:18:54 pm
Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that.Oh what, because the moon sends out some kind of mystical, invisible, so-called "gravity waves" (and yes, I'm using finger quotes) and pulls on all the water in the ocean?
...
Actually, me, a high school graduate with no further formal education, and a felon to boot, can, in fact, explain why the tides go in and go out. -.-
Pfffttt....crazy pot-smoking hippie. Everyone knows that God moves the oceans in and out so Jesus could get fish to multiply to feed the hungry. It's all in the Bible.
Post by: Tylui on April 30, 2013, 01:16:19 pm
Also, catsplosions are real. We couldn't afford to get any of the new ones fixed and they're all female. 30 kittens, here we come!
Post by: Descan on April 30, 2013, 01:21:49 pm
Post by: SealyStar on April 30, 2013, 03:29:09 pm
Guys it's not my fault I was a toaster in a past life! I just see bread and get flashbacks to that horrible life I had! Check your privilege guys. Seriously.
I honestly think it's hilarious that there are people who think that they're actually wolves in the bodies of humans. So much so that the wearing of spirit hoods is actually offensive to them. I just cannot believe they want special treatment because of this. I mean, I may be transgender, but that fact alone does not stop me from leading a productive, normal life, nor would being a cat in a human body.
What the hell is a "spirit hood" anyway?
Also, I'm a transabled fat-positive transracial demisexual vegan microwavekin. Check yo' privilege.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 30, 2013, 03:34:55 pm
What the hell is a "spirit hood" anyway?I think it's some kind of animal-themed hoodie.
Post by: Sheb on April 30, 2013, 03:53:45 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 30, 2013, 03:56:06 pm
What the hell is a transfat person anyway? A fat guy in a slim body? How does that even make sense?Transfat? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat)
Post by: Graknorke on April 30, 2013, 03:56:38 pm
This was my first thought too.What the hell is a transfat person anyway? A fat guy in a slim body? How does that even make sense?Transfat? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat)
EDIT: But it's way more likely to be a thin guy in a fat guy's body. Because internet.
Post by: Sheb on April 30, 2013, 03:58:33 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on April 30, 2013, 04:01:30 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on April 30, 2013, 04:04:25 pm
Transfat activist means that you don't believe the obvious shit 'scientists' spoon feed us that eating twice as much as a slim guy makes you twice as fat.As opposed to the Healthists, which reject the elite academic lies that being fat causes health problems. They spread these lies to discriminate against fat people, you see.
Post by: SealyStar on April 30, 2013, 04:04:37 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 30, 2013, 04:05:46 pm
What the hell is a transfat person anyway? A fat guy in a slim body? How does that even make sense?These people make my head hurt more... Check your cisfat privilege?
I swear every time this crap is brought up it's always a bunch of people putting themselves above others under the aegis of equality, hilariously missing the fat point.
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 30, 2013, 04:08:00 pm
Post by: Graknorke on April 30, 2013, 04:14:18 pm
EDIT: Doesn't matter, found the best one.
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why arent asexuals represented in porn
Post by: tahujdt on April 30, 2013, 04:21:09 pm
I'm thinking of creating an anonymous account specifically for trolling these people. Anyone who thinks his parents have to support him because in a past life he is a dog and now he is ridiculously fat and can't be bothered to get a job deserves it.
Post by: Max White on April 30, 2013, 04:44:58 pm
You mean from https://twitter.com/TumblrTXT (https://twitter.com/TumblrTXT)? Or the Tumblr?
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I’m part mermaid. I’m one-sixteenth or less I think. This means I’m mostly human. I have lots of empathy and I wouldn’t ever drown anyone…
Grab ye shovels and picks! It be a gold mine!
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 30, 2013, 04:49:26 pm
Why does it have to apply to anyone based merely on some group label? Check your privilege cistopians.I'm struggling to understand who this is directed at.What the hell is a transfat person anyway? A fat guy in a slim body? How does that even make sense?These people make my head hurt more... Check your cisfat privilege?
I swear every time this crap is brought up it's always a bunch of people putting themselves above others under the aegis of equality, hilariously missing the fat point.
My 'Insert possible tone of voice here' centre in my brain isn't working D:
I made a statement. If it applies to anyone, that's who it's directed at.
Post by: Graknorke on April 30, 2013, 04:52:11 pm
Dude can take the piss out of demisexuals (pretty much"I only want to sex people who I like enough to have sex with" for those who don't know the Tumblr-speek) all day though.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 30, 2013, 04:59:21 pm
Re-read it, makes more sense now.No worries, my brain's failing spectacularly right now too. It's like the Romans used to say, 'Amicitae in cerebrum cabbagus.'
My brain appears to be failing miserably right now.
Post by: kaijyuu on April 30, 2013, 05:02:56 pm
I'll only care if someone thinks they're really a wolf inside if they start biting people. Prior to that, whupide-friggin-do.
There are plenty of legitimate groups of troublemakers to spew vitriol at. Like racists. Or transphobics.
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 30, 2013, 05:13:21 pm
Post by: Graknorke on April 30, 2013, 05:15:03 pm
Am I the only person who doesn't give a flying fuck what people identify as?It's mostly people trying to make themselves special but at the same time in a community of equally special people; so that they can then tell other people that their problems are more important.
I'll only care if someone thinks they're really a wolf inside if they start biting people. Prior to that, whupide-friggin-do.
There are plenty of legitimate groups of troublemakers to spew vitriol at. Like racists. Or transphobics.
I cannot feel bad about making fun of them.
Post by: Max White on April 30, 2013, 05:16:54 pm
Cue battle theme. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NjuK2ElKbE)
Post by: Slayerhero90 on April 30, 2013, 05:20:26 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on April 30, 2013, 05:24:51 pm
Post by: Max White on April 30, 2013, 05:26:01 pm
Breaking News: Two Mass Murderers Claiming to be Ex-Wolves Tear 478 School Children Apart Limb From Limb.The judge dismissed the trial on the basis of cultural beliefs.
Post by: Graknorke on April 30, 2013, 05:32:47 pm
https://twitter.com/Goons_TXT (https://twitter.com/Goons_TXT) is somewhat interesting.
Post by: Max White on April 30, 2013, 05:34:49 pm
But I don't actually call myself a wizard in every day life. I don't self identify as a wizard. I know I don't have magical powers. I know that the only time I am a 'wizard' is while playing a game. If you think you are a wolf just because you want to be a wolf, you should take that up with a psychologist.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 30, 2013, 05:50:16 pm
Receive: "You never said if you liked it [thing]."
Are we in primary school? Do you need an addendum stating, "This thing that I have just been praising, endorsing, and supporting through implication for the past six pages? I actually LIKE it!"
Post by: Max White on April 30, 2013, 05:54:45 pm
Post by: Sheb on April 30, 2013, 06:01:31 pm
Now, making fun of the otherkin is fun, but I wouldn't spend time arguing why. It's silly. I enjoy silly things.
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 30, 2013, 06:08:50 pm
Post by: Wolfeyez on April 30, 2013, 06:30:44 pm
Look, if you are into animal role playing, then ok, what ever. I guess that isn't too far removed from pretending to be a wizard, and I've played D&D, so fair is fair.I like it, well put Max.
But I don't actually call myself a wizard in every day life. I don't self identify as a wizard. I know I don't have magical powers. I know that the only time I am a 'wizard' is while playing a game. If you think you are a wolf just because you want to be a wolf, you should take that up with a psychologist.
Post by: kaenneth on April 30, 2013, 08:44:03 pm
I always hated those peer review groups, then one of my papers convinced a girl to support gay marriage. Now I view them as opportunities.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 30, 2013, 08:46:24 pm
Does it matter if you like it? Why do I care about any one mans opinion of thing? If you are presenting the vices and virtues of thing, surly your own personal opinion is irrelevant...Part of the assignment was to take a stance on what we were talking about; I felt that putting my topic in a positive light was more appropriate than outright stating, "This is good! Hurr durr!" for multiple reasons, the least offensive of which was that it is still a very new area of development, which leads nicely into this:
What was the thing? Nuclear Power? Kool-Aid? Libertarianism? The abiltiy to implent headmates into peoples systems so they stop with their singlets privilege?
Now, making fun of the otherkin is fun, but I wouldn't spend time arguing why. It's silly. I enjoy silly things.
Nothing so divisive (or droll, as the case may be), just applications of 3D printing for food production.
Post by: tahujdt on April 30, 2013, 09:08:35 pm
My mom used to give me advice on entering essay contests, that the judges will have been reading the same boring crap all day, "The reason I like x is y, because..." and if they see anything that isn't "Hurr durr, me like!" they'll pounce on it. The same goes for college applications.Does it matter if you like it? Why do I care about any one mans opinion of thing? If you are presenting the vices and virtues of thing, surly your own personal opinion is irrelevant...Part of the assignment was to take a stance on what we were talking about; I felt that putting my topic in a positive light was more appropriate than outright stating, "This is good! Hurr durr!" for multiple reasons, the least offensive of which was that it is still a very new area of development, which leads nicely into this:What was the thing? Nuclear Power? Kool-Aid? Libertarianism? The abiltiy to implent headmates into peoples systems so they stop with their singlets privilege?
Now, making fun of the otherkin is fun, but I wouldn't spend time arguing why. It's silly. I enjoy silly things.
Nothing so divisive (or droll, as the case may be), just applications of 3D printing for food production.
EDIT: 3D printed food, yum!
Post by: Flying Dice on April 30, 2013, 10:19:25 pm
Post by: Max White on April 30, 2013, 10:21:16 pm
Uncanny Valley of cheese.I have never wanted to eat printed food so much in my life. Where may this product be acquired?
Post by: Flying Dice on April 30, 2013, 10:33:36 pm
As I said, it's still a very new field. Early home models capable of printing food exist, but IIRC the price range is somewhere around 1500USD. Most of the food produced so far has been more in the hor d'oeuvres range of things, though it is very cool looking.Uncanny Valley of cheese.I have never wanted to eat printed food so much in my life. Where may this product be acquired?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Though apparently the textures for the turkey and celery (yes, that's what that was) were very good.
Post by: Devling on April 30, 2013, 10:35:29 pm
Generally.
Which means that in my lifetime 3D printers will probably be common, which is all kinds of cool.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 30, 2013, 10:39:14 pm
Post by: Devling on April 30, 2013, 10:50:13 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on April 30, 2013, 10:51:47 pm
Yeah, but it's prohibitively expensive for most people. Like how computers used to only be owned by universities, because they were the only places which could purchase all the expensive equipment.It's quickly getting a hell of a lot cheaper. $425 is the lowest, currently.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 30, 2013, 11:47:04 pm
Which, incidentally, parallels the development of computers quite well. Given the potential I honestly don't see why it wouldn't take a similar course.Yeah, but it's prohibitively expensive for most people. Like how computers used to only be owned by universities, because they were the only places which could purchase all the expensive equipment.It's quickly getting a hell of a lot cheaper. $425 is the lowest, currently.
Post by: penguinofhonor on April 30, 2013, 11:50:06 pm
When that happens, we will have entered a new age of food technology.
Post by: Vattic on May 01, 2013, 01:31:34 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 01, 2013, 02:08:42 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 01, 2013, 02:10:42 am
Post by: Flying Dice on May 01, 2013, 08:47:13 am
Post by: misko27 on May 01, 2013, 08:54:16 am
This is why such things take time to catch on. "Why would I use a phone when I can just talk to them?"
Post by: FearfulJesuit on May 01, 2013, 12:01:32 pm
Post by: Ameablable on May 01, 2013, 12:10:45 pm
Does anybody remember the spongebob episode where they printed crabby patties out of this grey ooze?
idunno. i just find it disturbing.
Post by: kaijyuu on May 01, 2013, 12:12:51 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 01, 2013, 12:14:31 pm
Does anybody remember the spongebob episode where they printed crabby patties out of this grey ooze?That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).
At least with the printing system you can check what you put in it.
I don't see it as any different than the replicators on star trek.On the other hand, there's the Nutri-o-matic.
Post by: Ameablable on May 01, 2013, 12:16:53 pm
That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 01, 2013, 12:17:51 pm
Do note that this recycled meat is not put in 3D printers*. It's put in fastfood, right now.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
*Texture problems and such
Post by: Ameablable on May 01, 2013, 12:19:07 pm
Post by: tahujdt on May 01, 2013, 12:20:05 pm
Considering the world we live in, artificiality is nothing new.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
That being said, I am still disgusted by the thought of eating the animal remains.
That being said, I fully realize that's what sausage is made out of.
Post by: Flying Dice on May 01, 2013, 01:33:09 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on May 01, 2013, 01:42:26 pm
I had some delicious chorizo last night. First ingredient: Beef Salivary Glands.Considering the world we live in, artificiality is nothing new.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
That being said, I am still disgusted by the thought of eating the animal remains.
That being said, I fully realize that's what sausage is made out of.
...
Nope. It's still delicious.
Post by: Knight of Fools on May 01, 2013, 03:52:50 pm
Quote from: Random Steam Person
Why doenst made no sense? All those whining about, this software must be free, why buying. And if they bought it, its just like, its a wast, dont buy this crap.
And you telling me that i doenst make no sense?
It got an actual, verbal laugh from me. Beautiful irony.
Post by: Graknorke on May 01, 2013, 03:57:34 pm
Glands and organs and stuff are fine.I had some delicious chorizo last night. First ingredient: Beef Salivary Glands.Considering the world we live in, artificiality is nothing new.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
That being said, I am still disgusted by the thought of eating the animal remains.
That being said, I fully realize that's what sausage is made out of.
...
Nope. It's still delicious.
It's connective tissues and fat that people tend to be upset about.
Post by: frostshotgg on May 01, 2013, 04:37:11 pm
This is the reason that I read random Steam forums from time to time:Poe's law applies here.Quote from: Random Steam PersonWhy doenst made no sense? All those whining about, this software must be free, why buying. And if they bought it, its just like, its a wast, dont buy this crap.
And you telling me that i doenst make no sense?
It got an actual, verbal laugh from me. Beautiful irony.
Post by: AlleeCat on May 01, 2013, 05:33:42 pm
Here's what I don't understand: Why not use it? What are we going to use it for if we're not going to eat it? Wouldn't it just go to waste? I'm hardly trying to defend fast food, but I'm legitimately curious what reason we would have not to use it.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
Native Americans used every part of the animals they killed so it wouldn't go to waste, why shouldn't we?
Post by: SealyStar on May 01, 2013, 05:35:13 pm
Glands and organs and stuff are fine.I had some delicious chorizo last night. First ingredient: Beef Salivary Glands.Considering the world we live in, artificiality is nothing new.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
That being said, I am still disgusted by the thought of eating the animal remains.
That being said, I fully realize that's what sausage is made out of.
...
Nope. It's still delicious.
It's connective tissues and fat that people tend to be upset about.
It depends what glands and organs.
I'd be fine with liver, I suppose, but I'd always shy away from any reproductive parts.
I imagine most people would.
Post by: Graknorke on May 01, 2013, 05:37:51 pm
Why?Glands and organs and stuff are fine.I had some delicious chorizo last night. First ingredient: Beef Salivary Glands.Considering the world we live in, artificiality is nothing new.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
That being said, I am still disgusted by the thought of eating the animal remains.
That being said, I fully realize that's what sausage is made out of.
...
Nope. It's still delicious.
It's connective tissues and fat that people tend to be upset about.
It depends what glands and organs.
I'd be fine with liver, I suppose, but I'd always shy away from any reproductive parts.
I imagine most people would.
They don't even taste bad. Just different.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 01, 2013, 05:38:43 pm
And why shy away from reproductive organs? The uterus is largely muscle tissue, after all. (or maybe not, I forget now...)
Post by: Sheb on May 01, 2013, 05:41:28 pm
Now, re:3D printing in food. What's the point? In normal manufacturing, 3D printing is cool because it lets you make shapes that are hard to make normally. But except for fancy hors d'oeuvres, we don't really care about shape in food. So what's the point?
Post by: Catsup on May 01, 2013, 05:45:58 pm
It wouldn't go to waste; it'd go into cat and dog food so we don't need to bother butchering any extra livestock to maintain our carnivorous companions. Well, in world of reason and logic.its made up of smooth muscle, not the kind you'd find in limbs.
And why shy away from reproductive organs? The uterus is largely muscle tissue, after all. (or maybe not, I forget now...)
Honestly guys i would rather become vegan and not touch anything meat related forever and at all (which isnt really that hard of a change for me) than eat organs and other crap along with the regular meat products. One reason is because of the grossness factor, and another reason is because some organs tend to give you diseases (mad cow diseases/scrapie from brains, mercury and other poisoning from liver tissue depending on the animal's size, viral and bacteria infections from glands that affect immunity like the spleen).
Post by: tahujdt on May 01, 2013, 05:49:47 pm
Counterpoint: they didn't eat all of the animal. The fat was used for grease, a tanned stomach makes a great bag, you can inflate the bladder and use it as a balloon(seriously), and sinew makes a decent bowstring.Here's what I don't understand: Why not use it? What are we going to use it for if we're not going to eat it? Wouldn't it just go to waste? I'm hardly trying to defend fast food, but I'm legitimately curious what reason we would have not to use it.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
Native Americans used every part of the animals they killed so it wouldn't go to waste, why shouldn't we?
Post by: Graknorke on May 01, 2013, 05:52:28 pm
Actually they killed bison en-masse and then ate hardly any of it.Here's what I don't understand: Why not use it? What are we going to use it for if we're not going to eat it? Wouldn't it just go to waste? I'm hardly trying to defend fast food, but I'm legitimately curious what reason we would have not to use it.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
Native Americans used every part of the animals they killed so it wouldn't go to waste, why shouldn't we?
They would kill herds at a time. And a lot of it didn't end up getting used because of the sheer quantity of dead animal.
Post by: tahujdt on May 01, 2013, 05:56:22 pm
Less so than the pioneers, but still...Actually they killed bison en-masse and then ate hardly any of it.Here's what I don't understand: Why not use it? What are we going to use it for if we're not going to eat it? Wouldn't it just go to waste? I'm hardly trying to defend fast food, but I'm legitimately curious what reason we would have not to use it.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
Native Americans used every part of the animals they killed so it wouldn't go to waste, why shouldn't we?
They would kill herds at a time. And a lot of it didn't end up getting used because of the sheer quantity of dead animal.
Post by: Graknorke on May 01, 2013, 06:01:18 pm
I would say that running herds off cliffs is a good example of mass-killing.Less so than the pioneers, but still...Actually they killed bison en-masse and then ate hardly any of it.Here's what I don't understand: Why not use it? What are we going to use it for if we're not going to eat it? Wouldn't it just go to waste? I'm hardly trying to defend fast food, but I'm legitimately curious what reason we would have not to use it.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
Native Americans used every part of the animals they killed so it wouldn't go to waste, why shouldn't we?
They would kill herds at a time. And a lot of it didn't end up getting used because of the sheer quantity of dead animal.
Though admittedly they did take more than the skins.
Post by: kaenneth on May 01, 2013, 06:05:22 pm
The might have gotten here before us, but we called 'Shotgun!'
Post by: tahujdt on May 01, 2013, 06:07:57 pm
The only moral advantage the 'Native' Americans have is having killed anyone who got to the Americas before them.I have a feeling that this will spin into another huge argument, so let's stop this conversation now.
The might have gotten here before us, but we called 'Shotgun!'
Post by: Graknorke on May 01, 2013, 06:13:35 pm
The might have gotten here before us, but we called 'Shotgun!'I see what you did there.
Post by: Catsup on May 01, 2013, 06:20:40 pm
The might have gotten here before us, but we called 'Shotgun!'hahahaha this made me lol
Post by: Flying Dice on May 01, 2013, 06:27:24 pm
Hahahaha it's funny because genocide.The might have gotten here before us, but we called 'Shotgun!'hahahaha this made me lol
Post by: Putnam on May 01, 2013, 06:30:46 pm
I don't see it as any different than the replicators on star trek.
Yeah, this line of thought kinda needs to die.
The thing about food printing is that the printer needs food to print.
Post by: Catsup on May 01, 2013, 06:35:15 pm
Hahahaha it's funny because genocide.ouch...not sure what to say in this situation, i didnt think it was that bad
Post by: Scelly9 on May 01, 2013, 06:53:19 pm
It really, really was.Hahahaha it's funny because genocide.ouch...not sure what to say in this situation, i didnt think it was that bad
Post by: Putnam on May 01, 2013, 07:44:29 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on May 01, 2013, 07:49:08 pm
Presumably star trek replicators need a base material to work with, too.I don't see it as any different than the replicators on star trek.
Yeah, this line of thought kinda needs to die.
The thing about food printing is that the printer needs food to print.
I'm not saying "lol printed meat is more humane than regular" or anything silly like that. Just that any reservations that concern printed food's "artificialness" would be equally applicable to things like star trek's replicators.
Post by: Sirus on May 01, 2013, 07:52:29 pm
I was under the impression that replicators made matter directly from energy.Presumably star trek replicators need a base material to work with, too.I don't see it as any different than the replicators on star trek.
Yeah, this line of thought kinda needs to die.
The thing about food printing is that the printer needs food to print.
I'm not saying "lol printed meat is more humane than regular" or anything silly like that. Just that any reservations that concern printed food's "artificialness" would be equally applicable to things like star trek's replicators.
Post by: Greiger on May 01, 2013, 08:14:40 pm
Ah a quick look at the star trek wiki says that it's bulk matter that uses transporter technology to re-sequence the matter into edible foodstuffs. I'm probably thinking the things from Enterprise.
I imagine if the starship ever ran out of matter the replicators wouldn't work. :P
EDIT: "Quick! Scotty the matter tanks for the replicators are empty! We need an alternate food source, point the replicators to the warp core, we haven't broken that yet this episode."
Post by: Jervill on May 01, 2013, 08:19:24 pm
I think that's why Voyager had Neelix as the cook, because they lacked the ability to resupply at a local Starbase that the other series had.
Post by: Sirus on May 01, 2013, 08:22:53 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on May 01, 2013, 08:59:38 pm
Post by: Sirus on May 01, 2013, 09:01:43 pm
So basically 3D printing, but they use magical transporter technology instead of a series of tubes.Seems like a combination of teleportation and alchemy. Obviously you can't make an edible meal out of, say, plastic unless you transmute it into digestible molecules.
Post by: Xantalos on May 01, 2013, 09:02:52 pm
I always thought the Star Trek replicators made the foods basically out of nothing but proteins, I actually have some vague memory of that being mentioned.We're out of matter for the replicators! Everyone, trousers down and go take a shit in the tanks.
Ah a quick look at the star trek wiki says that it's bulk matter that uses transporter technology to re-sequence the matter into edible foodstuffs. I'm probably thinking the things from Enterprise.
I imagine if the starship ever ran out of matter the replicators wouldn't work. :P
EDIT: "Quick! Scotty the matter tanks for the replicators are empty! We need an alternate food source, point the replicators to the warp core, we haven't broken that yet this episode."
Post by: Flying Dice on May 01, 2013, 09:12:00 pm
The technobabble explanation that seems most likely to me is based on this (http://stason.org/TULARC/education-books/startrek-tech/68-How-does-the-transporter-work-Transporters-Star-Tr.html#.UYHKKSzfS5g).So basically 3D printing, but they use magical transporter technology instead of a series of tubes.Seems like a combination of teleportation and alchemy. Obviously you can't make an edible meal out of, say, plastic unless you transmute it into digestible molecules.
Transporters function by disassembling their target into a phased energy-esque state similar to plasma. Presumably some sort of magnetic field manipulation device could be used to reorder the matter while it is in this transitional state, and if pre-established patterns have been fed into a replicator's programming it could automatically reproduce given patterns (food dishes), china and all, provided that enough matter is fed into the system. This would also explain why there's no apparent difference between a replicator that produces Tea, Earl Grey, Hot, or one that produces medicine.
So in other words complete and utter pseudoscience. But hey, it's Star Trek.
Post by: MaximumZero on May 01, 2013, 10:12:01 pm
We're so over turning lead into gold. Turning shit into cake is the real alchemy.I always thought the Star Trek replicators made the foods basically out of nothing but proteins, I actually have some vague memory of that being mentioned.We're out of matter for the replicators! Everyone, trousers down and go take a shit in the tanks.
Ah a quick look at the star trek wiki says that it's bulk matter that uses transporter technology to re-sequence the matter into edible foodstuffs. I'm probably thinking the things from Enterprise.
I imagine if the starship ever ran out of matter the replicators wouldn't work. :P
EDIT: "Quick! Scotty the matter tanks for the replicators are empty! We need an alternate food source, point the replicators to the warp core, we haven't broken that yet this episode."
Post by: AlleeCat on May 02, 2013, 12:12:45 am
Well, that would explain why everyone complains about the taste all the time... >_>I always thought the Star Trek replicators made the foods basically out of nothing but proteins, I actually have some vague memory of that being mentioned.We're out of matter for the replicators! Everyone, trousers down and go take a shit in the tanks.
Ah a quick look at the star trek wiki says that it's bulk matter that uses transporter technology to re-sequence the matter into edible foodstuffs. I'm probably thinking the things from Enterprise.
I imagine if the starship ever ran out of matter the replicators wouldn't work. :P
EDIT: "Quick! Scotty the matter tanks for the replicators are empty! We need an alternate food source, point the replicators to the warp core, we haven't broken that yet this episode."
Post by: Soralin on May 02, 2013, 02:19:05 am
No need for that, you have teleporter system, you can just beam it directly out. (I mean, when do you remember seeing a toilet in star trek? Teleporters make them obsolete. ;))I always thought the Star Trek replicators made the foods basically out of nothing but proteins, I actually have some vague memory of that being mentioned.We're out of matter for the replicators! Everyone, trousers down and go take a shit in the tanks.
Ah a quick look at the star trek wiki says that it's bulk matter that uses transporter technology to re-sequence the matter into edible foodstuffs. I'm probably thinking the things from Enterprise.
I imagine if the starship ever ran out of matter the replicators wouldn't work. :P
EDIT: "Quick! Scotty the matter tanks for the replicators are empty! We need an alternate food source, point the replicators to the warp core, we haven't broken that yet this episode."
Post by: GalenEvil on May 02, 2013, 03:04:03 am
C: robble robble robble something points about stuff
T: Yer full of crap!
C: (in most logical response ever) Nuh-uh!
T pushes some buttons on teleporter console, pulls lever
T: Now you are!! MWAHAHAHA
C gets a shocked,pained look on face. Shortly thereafter dies.
Post by: Reelya on May 02, 2013, 09:38:23 am
Actually they killed bison en-masse and then ate hardly any of it.Here's what I don't understand: Why not use it? What are we going to use it for if we're not going to eat it? Wouldn't it just go to waste? I'm hardly trying to defend fast food, but I'm legitimately curious what reason we would have not to use it.That actually happens though. Only the ooze is pink and made of grinded up animal remains (The parts that are normally not eaten).thats what is kinda unsettling. your recycling meat... its so artificial.
Native Americans used every part of the animals they killed so it wouldn't go to waste, why shouldn't we?
They would kill herds at a time. And a lot of it didn't end up getting used because of the sheer quantity of dead animal.
Actually the disappearance of the Bison was blamed on the Natives, but actually due to the pioneers. So, the pioneers did actually realize at some level that ecological destruction is a bad thing, so you need to blame it on someone else. The Bison co-existed with the natives for 1000's of years, then disappeared within a couple of centuries of white habitation. Coincidence?
More than coincidence, it was official policy (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=s_lyumM8d84C&pg=PA152&lpg=PA152&dq=disappearance+of+the+bison&source=bl&ots=FGFOv_9BI2&sig=qLz1ocJ9k2sGwvEhOaHcY4T2JLk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eHqCUcakHeTNiAf86IEY&ved=0CF0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=disappearance%20of%20the%20bison&f=false), later blamed on the targeted victims of that policy.
Post by: Frumple on May 02, 2013, 09:45:51 am
We're so over turning lead into gold. Turning shit into cake is the real alchemy.Actually, I'm pretty sure we just call that agriculture nowadays. Process is a little slow and tends to involve some additives, but hey, it is what it is.
Post by: MonkeyHead on May 02, 2013, 10:24:57 am
A: "Those nuclear reactors we just learnt about - dont the US military use something similar in thier warships?"
B: "yeah... dont they name loads of thier ships after presidents or something?"
A: "Nimitz, Eisenhower, Reagan, yea, I think so.
C: "Is ther a USS Obama yet?"
A: "Dont think so..."
D: "When the US navy get around to building it, I bet they paint it a different colour to all the other ships..."
Post by: MaximumZero on May 02, 2013, 11:14:07 am
Overheard discussion after a lecture earlier this week...Can I facepalm someone else? D could really use one.
A: "Those nuclear reactors we just learnt about - dont the US military use something similar in thier warships?"
B: "yeah... dont they name loads of thier ships after presidents or something?"
A: "Nimitz, Eisenhower, Reagan, yea, I think so.
C: "Is ther a USS Obama yet?"
A: "Dont think so..."
D: "When the US navy get around to building it, I bet they paint it a different colour to all the other ships..."
Post by: kaijyuu on May 02, 2013, 12:50:58 pm
Post by: Ameablable on May 02, 2013, 12:57:13 pm
Quote from: Wet Willy as we call him
The Hobbit is a bad book because Tolkien intended it to be a childrens book so that makes it bad.
Post by: Sirus on May 02, 2013, 12:57:47 pm
*headdesk*Quote from: Wet Willy as we call himThe Hobbit is a bad book because Tolkien intended it to be a childrens book so that makes it bad.
Post by: Ameablable on May 02, 2013, 01:15:47 pm
Client calls for my Co-Op
answer, am asking her questions bla bla bla
she says "Sir can you remain on hold while i get my boss"
so im waiting for 7 minutes-ish, no music or anything.
lady speaks "Can you wait on hold?"
i say "OK" music comes on.
She literally waited 7 Minutes for me to say "OK".
Worst service ever.
Post by: Sirus on May 02, 2013, 01:17:01 pm
Post by: cerapa on May 02, 2013, 01:24:18 pm
But seriously, unanswered questions are the worst thing ever. Just answer with something.
Post by: Ameablable on May 02, 2013, 01:45:57 pm
i first said "Can you go get your boss"
she then said "Can you wait on hold?"
i heard a click so i assumed i was on hold.
Post by: SealyStar on May 02, 2013, 03:27:07 pm
Overheard discussion after a lecture earlier this week...
A: "Those nuclear reactors we just learnt about - dont the US military use something similar in thier warships?"
B: "yeah... dont they name loads of thier ships after presidents or something?"
A: "Nimitz, Eisenhower, Reagan, yea, I think so.
C: "Is ther a USS Obama yet?"
A: "Dont think so..."
D: "When the US navy get around to building it, I bet they paint it a different colour to all the other ships..."
There were two USS Clintons, but neither one was named for the president.
It seems GHWB is the latest president to get a ship named for himself (it's also the last Nimitz-class, apparently) Presumably it's a matter of time.
Clinton, Dubya, and Obama (probably gonna take longer than 2025 to get the Obama up and running, sorry CoDfans) are still in the waiting line...
Post by: Flying Dice on May 02, 2013, 05:18:08 pm
Post by: Akura on May 02, 2013, 08:14:41 pm
Wait, there was a President Nimitz?Overheard discussion after a lecture earlier this week...
A: "Those nuclear reactors we just learnt about - dont the US military use something similar in thier warships?"
B: "yeah... dont they name loads of thier ships after presidents or something?"
A: "Nimitz, Eisenhower, Reagan, yea, I think so.
C: "Is ther a USS Obama yet?"
A: "Dont think so..."
D: "When the US navy get around to building it, I bet they paint it a different colour to all the other ships..."
There were two USS Clintons, but neither one was named for the president.
It seems GHWB is the latest president to get a ship named for himself (it's also the last Nimitz-class, apparently) Presumably it's a matter of time.
Clinton, Dubya, and Obama (probably gonna take longer than 2025 to get the Obama up and running, sorry CoDfans) are still in the waiting line...
Post by: SealyStar on May 02, 2013, 08:22:33 pm
Wait, there was a President Nimitz?Overheard discussion after a lecture earlier this week...
A: "Those nuclear reactors we just learnt about - dont the US military use something similar in thier warships?"
B: "yeah... dont they name loads of thier ships after presidents or something?"
A: "Nimitz, Eisenhower, Reagan, yea, I think so.
C: "Is ther a USS Obama yet?"
A: "Dont think so..."
D: "When the US navy get around to building it, I bet they paint it a different colour to all the other ships..."
There were two USS Clintons, but neither one was named for the president.
It seems GHWB is the latest president to get a ship named for himself (it's also the last Nimitz-class, apparently) Presumably it's a matter of time.
Clinton, Dubya, and Obama (probably gonna take longer than 2025 to get the Obama up and running, sorry CoDfans) are still in the waiting line...
Heh, no.
But a lot of the Nimitz-class ships were named after presidents.
Post by: Flying Dice on May 02, 2013, 08:38:02 pm
Not sure if serious... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_W._Nimitz)Wait, there was a President Nimitz?Overheard discussion after a lecture earlier this week...
A: "Those nuclear reactors we just learnt about - dont the US military use something similar in thier warships?"
B: "yeah... dont they name loads of thier ships after presidents or something?"
A: "Nimitz, Eisenhower, Reagan, yea, I think so.
C: "Is ther a USS Obama yet?"
A: "Dont think so..."
D: "When the US navy get around to building it, I bet they paint it a different colour to all the other ships..."
There were two USS Clintons, but neither one was named for the president.
It seems GHWB is the latest president to get a ship named for himself (it's also the last Nimitz-class, apparently) Presumably it's a matter of time.
Clinton, Dubya, and Obama (probably gonna take longer than 2025 to get the Obama up and running, sorry CoDfans) are still in the waiting line...
Post by: FearfulJesuit on May 03, 2013, 09:46:35 pm
I say stupid shit drunk.
Eventually I was apparently so drunk (or not drunk, just saying such stupid shit) that everyone told me to go home. One of the girls offered to slap me if I promised to go home afterwards.
...I took her up on it.
Post by: AlleeCat on May 03, 2013, 09:58:11 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on May 03, 2013, 10:02:22 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on May 04, 2013, 01:23:17 am
I must have thought I was being edgy ŕ la Fifty Shades of Grey.I oh-so say that spelling of "gray".
Post by: tomio175 on May 04, 2013, 03:02:07 am
GrEy in England, grAy in America.I must have thought I was being edgy ŕ la Fifty Shades of Grey.I oh-so say that spelling of "gray".
Also, as far as I know, it's some sort of reference to some guy's name in the book.
Post by: Graknorke on May 04, 2013, 03:07:24 am
But the surname is gray and the colour is grey. So clearly whats-her-face the author has no clue about what she's writing. Which makes sense for what was originally a Twilight fanfiction.GrEy in England, grAy in America.I must have thought I was being edgy ŕ la Fifty Shades of Grey.I oh-so say that spelling of "gray".
Also, as far as I know, it's some sort of reference to some guy's name in the book.
Post by: Descan on May 04, 2013, 06:39:20 am
Post by: Mageziya on May 04, 2013, 09:57:03 am
Huh. I have seen these two spellings equally used, so I never really associated one as British and one as American.GrEy in England, grAy in America.I must have thought I was being edgy ŕ la Fifty Shades of Grey.I oh-so say that spelling of "gray".
Post by: Flying Dice on May 04, 2013, 11:20:49 am
Post by: Mageziya on May 04, 2013, 12:05:52 pm
Post by: Spaghetti7 on May 04, 2013, 12:42:49 pm
Frankly, when it comes to spelling the word, I often enter a mental mini-conflict as to if to choose Gray or Grey.Same. Just go with whatever comes to me at the time. Same with whether things have double letters or not. Like necessary.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on May 04, 2013, 01:59:25 pm
Frankly, when it comes to spelling the word, I often enter a mental mini-conflict as to if to choose Gray or Grey.Yeah, it's one of those words that looks right with either "grey" or "gray" and that makes me think that one choice has to be wrong, because they obviously can't both be right, right guys? :P
Personally, I have a preference for British spellings. Colour looks more proper than color to me, and theatre is the same way. It looks like it sounds classier too, "theat-ruh" rather than "theat-er" and theatres seem like they should be classy.
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 04, 2013, 02:06:40 pm
Personally, I have a preference for British spellings. Colour looks more proper than color to me, and theatre is the same way. It looks like it sounds classier too, "theat-ruh" rather than "theat-er" and theatres seem like they should be classy.Unless you are French both spellings are pronounced the same. If you started calling it theartrer around here you'd sound a bit strange! Much like how colour and color, armour and armor are pronounced the same.
*EDIT
Well, apparently there are some who pronounce theatre as 'thee-a-tre' and then there's those who pronounce it as 'thear-ter'
Post by: Slayerhero90 on May 04, 2013, 02:22:54 pm
A is still a superior letter to E.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on May 04, 2013, 02:33:52 pm
Somebody get me my gun and rope, I got a terrorist to string up.
Post by: Spaghetti7 on May 04, 2013, 02:36:33 pm
A is still a superior letter to E.
Somebody get me my gun and rope, I got a terrorist to string up.Well, that got very racist very quickly.
Post by: Frumple on May 04, 2013, 02:43:45 pm
Post by: Slayerhero90 on May 04, 2013, 02:44:09 pm
O is king.
A is second best.
I is tertiary.
U is second worst.
Here's Y, who whores herself out to the consonants and the vowels.
And that wretch E.
Post by: tahujdt on May 04, 2013, 04:24:59 pm
The order of superiority:Groy?
O is king.
A is second best.
I is tertiary.
U is second worst.
Here's Y, who whores herself out to the consonants and the vowels.
And that wretch E.
Post by: Flying Dice on May 04, 2013, 04:26:03 pm
I grok that.The order of superiority:Groy?
O is king.
A is second best.
I is tertiary.
U is second worst.
Here's Y, who whores herself out to the consonants and the vowels.
And that wretch E.
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 04, 2013, 04:30:30 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on May 04, 2013, 04:36:37 pm
Quote from: A commenter in a video regarding someone making a minecraft version of Erebor.
Who is Tolken?
Did he help peter jackson film the hobbit?
(Later in the comments)
Lord of the rings is a movie not a book...and the hobbit is the sequel/prequel
Post by: Graknorke on May 04, 2013, 04:38:56 pm
"I mean... you're a Christian right?"
"No"
"Yes you are."
"No I'm no-"
"Yes you are, you were baptised right?"
"Yes..."
"Well then you're one of us. You're in the gang. You can't just leave."
Oh grandparents. So... whatever grandparents are.
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 04, 2013, 04:39:56 pm
"Well then you're one of us. You're in the gang. You can't just leave."Heh, they sound awesome. You are ONE OF USSSS!
Oh grandparents. So... whatever grandparents are.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on May 04, 2013, 04:40:49 pm
Post by: tahujdt on May 04, 2013, 04:41:29 pm
That's just... I don't even... How?Quote from: A commenter in a video regarding someone making a minecraft version of Erebor.Who is Tolken?
Did he help peter jackson film the hobbit?
(Later in the comments)
Lord of the rings is a movie not a book...and the hobbit is the sequel/prequel
Technically, though, LOtR was the sequel to The Hobbit.
Post by: Dutchling on May 04, 2013, 04:42:26 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on May 04, 2013, 05:18:41 pm
Wasn't the Hobbit changed retroactively to fit in with LotR?Yup. More thematically than anything, though; mentions of things like "policemen" were taken out, iirc.
Post by: Rose on May 04, 2013, 05:25:51 pm
Post by: anzki4 on May 04, 2013, 05:36:44 pm
Main change was the riddles in the dark chapter, where gollum is changed quite a bit.And the ring gained it's corrupting powers only after the retcon. In the original Gollum was ready to part with the ring, but since he had lost it (and Bilbo had found it), he showed Bilbo the way out of the mountain instead.
Post by: SealyStar on May 04, 2013, 08:26:14 pm
Main change was the riddles in the dark chapter, where gollum is changed quite a bit.And the ring gained it's corrupting powers only after the retcon. In the original Gollum was ready to part with the ring, but since he had lost it (and Bilbo had found it), he showed Bilbo the way out of the mountain instead.
How many pre-retcon "Hobbit" copies still exist?
Now I know what crazy bid I'll make if I ever become ludicrously wealthy.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 04, 2013, 09:14:06 pm
The order of superiority:
...
And that wretch E.
You have made a powerful enemy this day.
Post by: Devling on May 04, 2013, 09:15:31 pm
His death will be long and painful.
Post by: Xantalos on May 04, 2013, 09:30:38 pm
Slayerhero90 is the bard in A's court, singing his praises, while damning his enemies.As with all bards, his skill level corresponds to the amount of pain he feels while dying.
His death will be long and painful.
Post by: Vattic on May 04, 2013, 10:14:48 pm
*rant about christian names no longer being called christian names*Not sure what kind of Christian you are, but the Catholic church hasn't long suspended the official way to leave (http://www.countmeout.ie/suspension/). Kind of a funny response to the surge in demand.
"I mean... you're a Christian right?"
"No"
"Yes you are."
"No I'm no-"
"Yes you are, you were baptised right?"
"Yes..."
"Well then you're one of us. You're in the gang. You can't just leave."
Oh grandparents. So... whatever grandparents are.
Edit: I meant "we're baptised as", no offence intended.
Post by: Sensei on May 05, 2013, 01:24:25 am
In other words, basically what I'm saying is that Police Academy 8: Papacy is a movie I would watch.
Post by: miauw62 on May 05, 2013, 05:15:20 am
I picked up a pre-retcon copy of the book pretty easily. It was a bit harder to find than the "movie edition" tough.Main change was the riddles in the dark chapter, where gollum is changed quite a bit.And the ring gained it's corrupting powers only after the retcon. In the original Gollum was ready to part with the ring, but since he had lost it (and Bilbo had found it), he showed Bilbo the way out of the mountain instead.
How many pre-retcon "Hobbit" copies still exist?
Now I know what crazy bid I'll make if I ever become ludicrously wealthy.
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 05, 2013, 05:20:58 am
When someone says you're a member of a group you didn't sing up/don't want to be a part of, the best move is to figure out what can get you kicked out...Ah, it is often said the road to hell is paved with old people.
In other words, basically what I'm saying is that Police Academy 8: Papacy is a movie I would watch.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on May 05, 2013, 12:03:32 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 05, 2013, 12:06:54 pm
Post by: SealyStar on May 05, 2013, 12:22:22 pm
Chako Paul City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chako_Paul_City), the tragic story of millions of Chinese men searching for the secret Swedish Lesbian city. Coming soon to a theatre near you.
Chako Paul City is to horny Chinese men as Cibola was to greedy Spanish men.
Only instead of gold, it's Swedish lesbians.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 05, 2013, 07:15:38 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on May 05, 2013, 10:51:41 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on May 05, 2013, 11:17:22 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on May 05, 2013, 11:33:32 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on May 05, 2013, 11:38:19 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on May 06, 2013, 12:27:59 am
Teenagers + internet access = terrorists everywhere ohmagerd. ::)
Post by: Devling on May 06, 2013, 12:38:53 am
What some dumbass cop says doesn't matter. The whole profession is a magnet for authoritarians and psychopaths.I find this highly questionable.
Post by: Xantalos on May 06, 2013, 12:41:50 am
I don't have much experience with the darker side of police, but there are some nutjobbers in the force. All of them.What some dumbass cop says doesn't matter. The whole profession is a magnet for authoritarians and psychopaths.I find this highly questionable.
Post by: Max White on May 06, 2013, 12:42:02 am
Quote
disturbing verbiageOh wow, nice!
Hey guys, I don't like what this kid is saying! That is against the law, right?
Post by: MaximumZero on May 06, 2013, 12:43:44 am
I have to say that I agree. I mean, in the court of law, the cop's word is much stronger evidence than yours. It's not supposed to be, but the courts are highly biased.What some dumbass cop says doesn't matter. The whole profession is a magnet for authoritarians and psychopaths.I find this highly questionable.
Post by: Mech#4 on May 06, 2013, 12:51:51 am
I have to say that I agree. I mean, in the court of law, the cop's word is much stronger evidence than yours. It's not supposed to be, but the courts are highly biased.What some dumbass cop says doesn't matter. The whole profession is a magnet for authoritarians and psychopaths.I find this highly questionable.
The police speak for the law yes? If it's the law it's got to be right otherwise it wouldn't be the law, so if you question it your against the law. Yay, circular reasoning. ::)
Post by: tomio175 on May 06, 2013, 09:19:19 am
Guy in my class, without missing a beat: "Man, the pigeons are really loud today."
I still can't fucking tell if he was serious or not, because of the following incident during english class:
Girl (with a well-developed bossom): "Good speaking exercise, [name].
The guy, without hesitation or courtesy: "And your breasts look good too."
I really don't know what is even going on in his head...
Post by: Descan on May 06, 2013, 10:15:27 am
... Well, maybe not the breasts remark. But still!
Post by: Sirus on May 06, 2013, 11:10:21 am
Not the part about breasts, though for different reasons than Descan :P
Post by: Graknorke on May 06, 2013, 12:03:03 pm
Not with serious intent though. I just tend to say dumb shit that is generally amusing in its ludicrousness.
Post by: miauw62 on May 06, 2013, 12:23:27 pm
(In class, when we hear a sonic boom from a plane)That sounds like the thing most guys in my class would say. Altough not out loud like that, but there is a lot of breast-discussion going on during the breaks. Not that I partake in that (most of the time :P)
Guy in my class, without missing a beat: "Man, the pigeons are really loud today."
I still can't fucking tell if he was serious or not, because of the following incident during english class:
Girl (with a well-developed bossom): "Good speaking exercise, [name].
The guy, without hesitation or courtesy: "And your breasts look good too."
I really don't know what is even going on in his head...
Post by: kaijyuu on May 06, 2013, 12:26:09 pm
Post by: Descan on May 06, 2013, 12:46:04 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on May 06, 2013, 12:46:23 pm
Hey, breasts are great. I do feel it inappropriate to discuss people's without their permission, though.Hey, is it all right if me and my friends go over there and talk about your amazing rack? Thanks.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on May 06, 2013, 12:50:48 pm
Post by: RedKing on May 06, 2013, 01:15:39 pm
As far as amazingly stupid things, I think the recent Boston Bombing truther thread probably counts.+1
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 06, 2013, 01:17:26 pm
As far as amazingly stupid things, I think the recent Boston Bombing truther thread probably counts.Disinfobamapls.
Post by: Sirus on May 06, 2013, 01:18:50 pm
As far as amazingly stupid things, I think the recent Boston Bombing truther thread probably counts.Oh my, yes.
Post by: Graknorke on May 06, 2013, 01:45:19 pm
Post by: Moghjubar on May 06, 2013, 01:50:58 pm
As far as amazingly stupid things, I think the recent Boston Bombing truther thread probably counts.Oh my, yes.
Obviously, that thread itself is a hoax.
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 06, 2013, 02:51:58 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: RedKing on May 06, 2013, 03:07:42 pm
Or they do, and they're just colossal dicks.Ricky Gervais proving nobody actually reads Twitter.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on May 06, 2013, 03:08:49 pm
OR they're trying to push the charity amount even higher. They're heroes!Or they do, and they're just colossal dicks.Ricky Gervais proving nobody actually reads Twitter.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: SealyStar on May 06, 2013, 03:29:40 pm
OR they're trying to push the charity amount even higher. They're heroes!Or they do, and they're just colossal dicks.Ricky Gervais proving nobody actually reads Twitter.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
They're obviously waiting until he offers to give a few million, and then people will stop retweeting, favoriting, and replying.
Post by: Xantalos on May 06, 2013, 07:20:50 pm
inb4 Ricky Gervais offers his soul if no one retweetsOR they're trying to push the charity amount even higher. They're heroes!Or they do, and they're just colossal dicks.Ricky Gervais proving nobody actually reads Twitter.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
They're obviously waiting until he offers to give a few million, and then people will stop retweeting, favoriting, and replying.
Post by: Tylui on May 06, 2013, 07:24:48 pm
Post by: Sirus on May 06, 2013, 07:28:16 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125838.msg4228707#msg4228707Oh yes, that's been mentioned here.
Post by: Tylui on May 06, 2013, 08:13:59 pm
Post by: Kofthefens on May 06, 2013, 11:13:04 pm
"What's your per capita income?" (To me personally)
Post by: Max White on May 07, 2013, 02:21:40 am
Post by: Xantalos on May 07, 2013, 02:40:17 am
Post by: Max White on May 07, 2013, 02:45:06 am
Post by: Mech#4 on May 07, 2013, 03:02:38 am
OR they're trying to push the charity amount even higher. They're heroes!Or they do, and they're just colossal dicks.Ricky Gervais proving nobody actually reads Twitter.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
They're obviously waiting until he offers to give a few million, and then people will stop retweeting, favoriting, and replying.
I would like to see those peoples friends comments after they've retweeted the message "You fool! You've just ruined the charity!" :P
Post by: Graknorke on May 10, 2013, 01:40:12 pm
Quote from: Some Tumblr SJ warrior who constantly complains about dumb shit; walking through the corridor to the sports hall in school. Which is covered in sports pictures. Of sports.
Gee, nice to see that this school is so welcoming to people who aren't able bodied.The sarcasm was so thick that I could have formed it into a club and hit her with it.
Yes, she complains about things like this at least once a day.
She's not even really disabled. She has a slightly dicky knee and so uses a walking stick because it supposedly hurts if she doesn't. Except she doesn't even use it all the time.
Post by: SealyStar on May 10, 2013, 01:47:51 pm
Quote from: Some Tumblr SJ warrior who constantly complains about dumb shit; walking through the corridor to the sports hall in school. Which is covered in sports pictures. Of sports.Gee, nice to see that this school is so welcoming to people who aren't able bodied.The sarcasm was so thick that I could have formed it into a club and hit her with it.
Yes, she complains about things like this at least once a day.
She's not even really disabled. She has a slightly dicky knee and so uses a walking stick because it supposedly hurts if she doesn't. Except she doesn't even use it all the time.
Yay. More excuses to bash Tumblr SJWs. Great fun about ten pages back :P
Post by: tahujdt on May 10, 2013, 01:55:06 pm
At my school, there's this girl who has a seriously messed-up knee, and she never complains. She needs a friend to carry stuff for her, since she needs both hands for crutches. And she never complains.Quote from: Some Tumblr SJ warrior who constantly complains about dumb shit; walking through the corridor to the sports hall in school. Which is covered in sports pictures. Of sports.Gee, nice to see that this school is so welcoming to people who aren't able bodied.The sarcasm was so thick that I could have formed it into a club and hit her with it.
Yes, she complains about things like this at least once a day.
She's not even really disabled. She has a slightly dicky knee and so uses a walking stick because it supposedly hurts if she doesn't. Except she doesn't even use it all the time.
Also, my school is an extremely vertical one, with four floors. This girl on crutches goes up and down some very steep stairs all day.
Tell your friend about that.
Also, I'm going to buy a sword-cane with my birthday money! Yay!
Post by: Sirus on May 10, 2013, 01:59:03 pm
Where do you live? I think I heard that those were illegal in the States.At my school, there's this girl who has a seriously messed-up knee, and she never complains. She needs a friend to carry stuff for her, since she needs both hands for crutches. And she never complains.Quote from: Some Tumblr SJ warrior who constantly complains about dumb shit; walking through the corridor to the sports hall in school. Which is covered in sports pictures. Of sports.Gee, nice to see that this school is so welcoming to people who aren't able bodied.The sarcasm was so thick that I could have formed it into a club and hit her with it.
Yes, she complains about things like this at least once a day.
She's not even really disabled. She has a slightly dicky knee and so uses a walking stick because it supposedly hurts if she doesn't. Except she doesn't even use it all the time.
Also, my school is an extremely vertical one, with four floors. This girl on crutches goes up and down some very steep stairs all day.
Tell your friend about that.
Also, I'm going to buy a sword-cane with my birthday money! Yay!
Post by: tomio175 on May 10, 2013, 02:25:40 pm
The point of a sword-cane is that people don't KNOW about it. Who's going to find out?Where do you live? I think I heard that those were illegal in the States.At my school, there's this girl who has a seriously messed-up knee, and she never complains. She needs a friend to carry stuff for her, since she needs both hands for crutches. And she never complains.Quote from: Some Tumblr SJ warrior who constantly complains about dumb shit; walking through the corridor to the sports hall in school. Which is covered in sports pictures. Of sports.Gee, nice to see that this school is so welcoming to people who aren't able bodied.The sarcasm was so thick that I could have formed it into a club and hit her with it.
Yes, she complains about things like this at least once a day.
She's not even really disabled. She has a slightly dicky knee and so uses a walking stick because it supposedly hurts if she doesn't. Except she doesn't even use it all the time.
Also, my school is an extremely vertical one, with four floors. This girl on crutches goes up and down some very steep stairs all day.
Tell your friend about that.
Also, I'm going to buy a sword-cane with my birthday money! Yay!
Post by: Sirus on May 10, 2013, 02:26:55 pm
But if anyone finds out (metal detectors, maybe), it's a concealed weapon which is illegal without a special permit. The exact degree to which you can be punished varies.The point of a sword-cane is that people don't KNOW about it. Who's going to find out?Where do you live? I think I heard that those were illegal in the States.At my school, there's this girl who has a seriously messed-up knee, and she never complains. She needs a friend to carry stuff for her, since she needs both hands for crutches. And she never complains.Quote from: Some Tumblr SJ warrior who constantly complains about dumb shit; walking through the corridor to the sports hall in school. Which is covered in sports pictures. Of sports.Gee, nice to see that this school is so welcoming to people who aren't able bodied.The sarcasm was so thick that I could have formed it into a club and hit her with it.
Yes, she complains about things like this at least once a day.
She's not even really disabled. She has a slightly dicky knee and so uses a walking stick because it supposedly hurts if she doesn't. Except she doesn't even use it all the time.
Also, my school is an extremely vertical one, with four floors. This girl on crutches goes up and down some very steep stairs all day.
Tell your friend about that.
Also, I'm going to buy a sword-cane with my birthday money! Yay!
Post by: kaijyuu on May 10, 2013, 03:49:14 pm
At my school, there's this girl who has a seriously messed-up knee, and she never complains. She needs a friend to carry stuff for her, since she needs both hands for crutches. And she never complains.That isn't a good thing.
Also, my school is an extremely vertical one, with four floors. This girl on crutches goes up and down some very steep stairs all day.
Tell your friend about that.
I mean, it's great to not punch someone back after being punched in the face, but if you smile back, it'd better be a sarcastic one. Otherwise, I question your mental health.
If she's not complaining, complain for her.
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 10, 2013, 03:55:30 pm
The sarcasm was so thick that I could have formed it into a club and hit her with it.Everyone join the sarcasm club! Everyone just loves the sarcasm club!
Post by: Devling on May 10, 2013, 08:40:14 pm
Nobody in the sarcasm club is a pretentious dbag.The sarcasm was so thick that I could have formed it into a club and hit her with it.Everyone join the sarcasm club! Everyone just loves the sarcasm club!
Nobody.
Post by: GuesssWho on May 10, 2013, 11:26:28 pm
Post by: Graknorke on May 11, 2013, 06:55:12 am
I don't know, I think a school covered in sports pictures would annoy me too.Thing is that the whole school isn't covered in sports. Most of the school's boasting is about academic achievements of pupils, Ofsted ratings etc.
It was a single, short, corridor that the sports teams/physical education department got to put on certificates and pictures of sports things that the school has done well in.
Post by: miauw62 on May 11, 2013, 07:23:53 am
Post by: SealyStar on May 11, 2013, 08:17:19 am
I don't know, I think a school covered in sports pictures would annoy me too.Thing is that the whole school isn't covered in sports. Most of the school's boasting is about academic achievements of pupils, Ofsted ratings etc.
It was a single, short, corridor that the sports teams/physical education department got to put on certificates and pictures of sports things that the school has done well in.
That's way better than my school. Whole hallway of sports crap, and one little case tucked off to the side for... more intellectual competitions. And one poorly-kept bulletin board for the students' academic achievements.
Post by: Reelya on May 11, 2013, 08:24:06 am
The sarcasm was so thick that I could have formed it into a club and hit her with it.Everyone join the sarcasm club! Everyone just loves the sarcasm club!
First rule of sarcasm club: Why don't you just talk to frikking everyone about sarcasm club?
Second rule of sarcasm club: Yeah, like totally keep talking about it all the time.
Post by: tahujdt on May 11, 2013, 09:48:43 am
It is possible that we go to the same school. Is said bulletin board on the right-hand side of the right-hand corridor on the first floor?I don't know, I think a school covered in sports pictures would annoy me too.Thing is that the whole school isn't covered in sports. Most of the school's boasting is about academic achievements of pupils, Ofsted ratings etc.
It was a single, short, corridor that the sports teams/physical education department got to put on certificates and pictures of sports things that the school has done well in.
That's way better than my school. Whole hallway of sports crap, and one little case tucked off to the side for... more intellectual competitions. And one poorly-kept bulletin board for the students' academic achievements.
Post by: Eotyrannus on May 11, 2013, 11:49:11 am
*headbutts door*
*to the librarian* "...Why did I just headbutt the door?"
Also the girl who sits next to me in top-set english.
Girl: "Are you a virgin?"
Me: "I'm thirteen. What do you think?"
Girl: "I'm fourteen. So?"
Girl: "You should never give people a blowjob. It's disgusting."
And so on.
I can infer that some people were extremely stupid in bottom-set english because one of my friends told me:
(paraphrased)
Friend: "Are sharks fish or mammals?"
Me: "They're fish. They have gills."
Friend: "Thanks! In english, people were debating whether sharks were fish or mammals, so I decided I'd ask you so that I could tell the others."
I'd say it wasn't my friend's fault for getting confused, because someone else had to have thought up the stupid and asked, thus giving an option for them not to be fish.
Post by: SealyStar on May 11, 2013, 12:37:30 pm
It is possible that we go to the same school. Is said bulletin board on the right-hand side of the right-hand corridor on the first floor?I don't know, I think a school covered in sports pictures would annoy me too.Thing is that the whole school isn't covered in sports. Most of the school's boasting is about academic achievements of pupils, Ofsted ratings etc.
It was a single, short, corridor that the sports teams/physical education department got to put on certificates and pictures of sports things that the school has done well in.
That's way better than my school. Whole hallway of sports crap, and one little case tucked off to the side for... more intellectual competitions. And one poorly-kept bulletin board for the students' academic achievements.
My school is only one floor, so I think the possibility is already disqualified by your "first floor" remark.
Also has a helluva lot more than two corridors.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on May 11, 2013, 04:38:45 pm
Quote from: Some liberal action e-newsletter I get
This is our best shot to undermine Citizens United.
New Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) chairwoman Mary Jo White is considering a rules change that would require corporations to disclose their political spending. The best part: this solution totally circumvents Congress, which is too flooded with corporate money to take action.
We must take back our democracy from corporate interests.
Yeah, democracy...except when the popularly elected won't do the right thing. Then we'll ask an unelected body to step in and do what's "for the democracy's own good"...
I'm a firm believer in popularly elected government for the time being, but there's got to be a better system we haven't figured out yet... Personally I'm in favor of the rules change, if it goes through, but not because I believe in Democracy and the will of the People against the One Percent. I'm in favor of corporate reform because I think society, like its government, needs checks and balances- not because out of a moral compunction that Democracy must Prevail. Populism leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 11, 2013, 04:43:37 pm
Post by: Graknorke on May 11, 2013, 04:49:59 pm
However that would work.
Post by: Sirus on May 11, 2013, 04:50:24 pm
Anarchy. We still haven't figured out how to make something both an anarchy and raise the life expectancy above 15. Oh, and keep the anarchy going and prevent someone else form stepping in and imposing their disgusting order.I'm fairly certain there's no way to prevent that. I eagerly await being proved wrong , though.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on May 11, 2013, 04:51:01 pm
Post by: Xantalos on May 11, 2013, 05:48:17 pm
Post by: Devling on May 11, 2013, 07:04:18 pm
Post by: Xantalos on May 11, 2013, 07:19:33 pm
Isn't shit like this how dystopian novels start?You are asking me.
Post by: Devling on May 11, 2013, 07:21:11 pm
I am asking you Mr.Old god.Isn't shit like this how dystopian novels start?You are asking me.
Post by: Xantalos on May 11, 2013, 07:23:56 pm
Oh sorry, I meant to put the emphasis on are, implying that no matter what question on ethics, society, or governing rules of any kind you ask me, it'll turn everything into a dystopia.I am asking you Mr.Old god.Isn't shit like this how dystopian novels start?You are asking me.
Post by: Devling on May 11, 2013, 07:34:06 pm
I am asking you Mr.Old god.Oh sorry, I meant to put the emphasis on are, implying that no matter what question on ethics, society, or governing rules of any kind you ask me, it'll turn everything into a dystopia.I am asking you Mr.Old god.Isn't shit like this how dystopian novels start?You are asking me.
Post by: Xantalos on May 11, 2013, 07:39:25 pm
Yes, this is how a dystopic novel could start, assuming one person (this would be me) gamed the system and remembered that everyone else existed and had engineered a way into this system to have the unaware everyone else do whatever s/he wanted.I am asking you Mr.Old god.Oh sorry, I meant to put the emphasis on are, implying that no matter what question on ethics, society, or governing rules of any kind you ask me, it'll turn everything into a dystopia.I am asking you Mr.Old god.Isn't shit like this how dystopian novels start?You are asking me.
Post by: Reelya on May 11, 2013, 07:47:17 pm
Anarchy. We still haven't figured out how to make something both an anarchy and raise the life expectancy above 15. Oh, and keep the anarchy going and prevent someone else form stepping in and imposing their disgusting order.I'm fairly certain there's no way to prevent that. I eagerly await being proved wrong , though.
That works if you stick to the "Anarchy = every man for himself + chaos" theory. Anarchist political theory is a whole different thing to that. Which make the individualistic chaos thing a straw man. It's clearly a straw man argument because it usually paints anarchism in a specific way, debunks the model they themselves created for the pure purposes of debunking, ignores any links etc which shows that the very definition of anarchism in the political sense is completely different from the straw man they just tore down, and goes right back to the start. Circular logic.
First up, the idea that anarchism is opposed to "order". Not true. Anarchism is opposed to the state as an institution. It's statists who hold that anyone opposed to the state are opposed to "order", in the exact same sense that anyone opposed to GW Bush was opposed to "freedom". There are broadly speaking a speactrum from anarcho-capitalists to anarcho-syndicalists (i know i'm missing out a lot of different ideologies but it's the main currents). Both of these currents propose some other "order". Neither of them proposed an every-man-for-himself individualism, which is something only held by a few fringe figures and teenage punks.
Post by: Max White on May 11, 2013, 07:51:57 pm
I actually haven't got a very good idea of how it is meant to work. People tell me it is left wing, but left wing is historically attached to the socialist movement that gives government a lot of control, so who the hell even knows...
Post by: Devling on May 11, 2013, 07:52:50 pm
We had a thread derail about Anarchistic philosophy on one thread for like 20 pages!
Post by: Reelya on May 11, 2013, 08:00:21 pm
From what I understand anarchy in a political sense is about removing as much government as possible? So regulatory bodies would be removed.
I actually haven't got a very good idea of how it is meant to work. People tell me it is left wing, but left wing is historically attached to the socialist movement that gives government a lot of control, so who the hell even knows...
You should check Marx himself - who held that communism was to be a final stage where the government was abolished. State socialists were actually a derail of the program of dismantling the state, which Marx held to exist purely as an apparatus of class oppression. Lenin himself called his hybrid system (what we now commonly call socialist totalitarianism), "State capitalism" a temporary means on the move towards Marxist socialism/communism (direct democratic governance by workers councils).
Regulatory measures are all well and good under anarchism, as long as those measures have direct democratic controls. The main thing anarchists are opposed to is the effective "rule by decree" that we have in the form of central parliaments (which have fairly nominal democratic controls with little choice) and unelected regulators.
No, no, no.
We had a thread derail about Anarchistic philosophy on one thread for like 20 pages!
...and yet people are still trotting out the same strawmen. Maybe we need an entire thread on anarchist political theory, so we can just link people to it.
Post by: Devling on May 11, 2013, 08:04:39 pm
(Although it will descend into the depths of flame war hell in hours)
Post by: GuesssWho on May 12, 2013, 04:54:12 am
Also, checks and balances are there to save the weak from the strong. They don't work too well if the people aren't allowed to speak.
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 12, 2013, 10:10:20 am
Communism is a good idea that doesn't work in real life.Communism is an idea that hasn't been implemented in real life, although the pre-Spanish colonial south-American civilizations got close.
The problem with political systems is that everyone searches for 'the best' system and constantly seeks to enforce it on everyone irregardless of people's differences on an individual and larger scale.
There are broken systems, there are working systems.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 12, 2013, 10:25:05 am
Quote
although the pre-Spanish colonial south-American civilizations got close.I'm guessing you mean some specific precolombine south-american civilization, given that the major ones by the time of Columbus' arrival were highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.
Not that the reaganite mantra has any merit...
Post by: tahujdt on May 12, 2013, 11:31:11 am
Human-sacrificing highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.Quotealthough the pre-Spanish colonial south-American civilizations got close.I'm guessing you mean some specific precolombine south-american civilization, given that the major ones by the time of Columbus' arrival were highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.
Not that the reaganite mantra has
Post by: Eric Blank on May 12, 2013, 12:06:59 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 12, 2013, 12:14:19 pm
Post by: Devling on May 12, 2013, 12:18:44 pm
The Spanish found it pretty easy to take over the Mayans and Aztecs because the social structure was extremely close to theirs. Except for all the human-sacrificing etc...Human-sacrificing highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.Quotealthough the pre-Spanish colonial south-American civilizations got close.I'm guessing you mean some specific precolombine south-american civilization, given that the major ones by the time of Columbus' arrival were highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.
Not that the reaganite mantra has
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 12, 2013, 12:24:34 pm
The Spanish found it pretty easy to take over the Mayans and Aztecs because the social structure was extremely close to theirs. Except for all the human-sacrificing etc...And steel + endemic plagues.
Post by: Devling on May 12, 2013, 01:39:39 pm
I mean, easy to adapt the government once they conquered them.The Spanish found it pretty easy to take over the Mayans and Aztecs because the social structure was extremely close to theirs. Except for all the human-sacrificing etc...And steel + endemic plagues.
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 12, 2013, 01:50:48 pm
I mean, easy to adapt the government once they conquered them.What was left to conquer? They wiped out all of their civilization.
Post by: Devling on May 12, 2013, 02:07:20 pm
People still lived there. It wasn't like they conquered a democratic republic or whatever.I mean, easy to adapt the government once they conquered them.What was left to conquer? They wiped out all of their civilization.
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 12, 2013, 02:23:46 pm
People still lived there. It wasn't like they conquered a democratic republic or whatever.90% dead
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on May 12, 2013, 02:50:02 pm
in which case, it IS a democratic republicPeople still lived there. It wasn't like they conquered a democratic republic or whatever.90% dead
Post by: Xantalos on May 12, 2013, 02:59:04 pm
That makes me laugh for whatever reason.in which case, it IS a democratic republicPeople still lived there. It wasn't like they conquered a democratic republic or whatever.90% dead
Post by: Onyxjew944 on May 14, 2013, 06:12:02 pm
Post by: tahujdt on May 14, 2013, 07:15:13 pm
A mild-mannered political debate in "Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say". I'm now questioning whether or not this is ironic, cosmic, or in some other obscure way, amusing.D, all of the above.
Post by: Reelya on May 15, 2013, 12:59:16 pm
Quotealthough the pre-Spanish colonial south-American civilizations got close.I'm guessing you mean some specific precolombine south-american civilization, given that the major ones by the time of Columbus' arrival were highly hierarchized expansionist theocracies.
Not that the reaganite mantra has any merit...
The local tribal civilizations, not the empires. The empires didn't cover everywhere. e.g the people on the Caribbean islands when the Spanish first arrived shared everything and didn't know about warfare. To which the Spanish reacted "what a bunch of dumb f**ks" and proceeded to enslave and exterminate the lot of them. You can read about it in accounts written by Columbus himself:
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/zinnapeopleshistory.html
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 15, 2013, 03:58:08 pm
Post by: werty892 on May 15, 2013, 04:11:04 pm
I'm all for the oppression of the masses by the masses.Everyone sits on eachother. ALL DAY.
However that would work.
Post by: GuesssWho on May 15, 2013, 04:28:10 pm
I'm all for the oppression of the masses by the masses.Everyone sits on eachother. ALL DAY.
However that would work.
LOL
Post by: misko27 on May 15, 2013, 04:44:27 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 15, 2013, 04:56:49 pm
This sounds like a fun discussion I am sad I missed.Nobody suspects to miss the Spanish acquisitions.
Post by: werty892 on May 15, 2013, 05:52:02 pm
It took me 5 tries to read that sentence before it worked in my mind.This sounds like a fun discussion I am sad I missed.Nobody suspects to miss the Spanish acquisitions.
durrrrrrr.
Post by: Max White on May 15, 2013, 06:49:59 pm
Quote from: Somebody on facebook.
(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487614_10200260715544001_1823399524_n.jpg)
So basically I should talk to you during the day, because you are just as intelligent, just a little less pretentious? :P
Post by: Dutchling on May 15, 2013, 06:52:59 pm
So basically I should talk to you during the day, because you are just as intelligent, just a little less pretentious? :P
Jeez, I wonder why of all these planets around us here, the one most suitable for life contains living organisms.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on May 15, 2013, 06:53:35 pm
Respond with the story about how the puddle found a hole in the ground that fit it perfectly.Quote from: Somebody on facebook.(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487614_10200260715544001_1823399524_n.jpg)
So basically I should talk to you during the day, because you are just as intelligent, just a little less pretentious? :P
Post by: Max White on May 15, 2013, 06:55:42 pm
Post by: Sirus on May 15, 2013, 06:56:33 pm
Post by: Dutchling on May 15, 2013, 06:57:22 pm
Post by: Scoops Novel on May 15, 2013, 07:10:33 pm
Respond with the story about how the puddle found a hole in the ground that fit it perfectly.Quote from: Somebody on facebook.(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487614_10200260715544001_1823399524_n.jpg)
So basically I should talk to you during the day, because you are just as intelligent, just a little less pretentious? :P
Perfection of that riposte aside, how do others find their conscious nights?
Post by: Max White on May 15, 2013, 07:11:59 pm
Post by: Frumple on May 15, 2013, 07:23:09 pm
Post by: Max White on May 15, 2013, 07:25:17 pm
Post by: Frumple on May 15, 2013, 07:27:36 pm
Post by: Xantalos on May 15, 2013, 07:38:15 pm
Post by: Descan on May 15, 2013, 07:44:59 pm
And/or Nick.
Post by: Scoops Novel on May 15, 2013, 09:10:06 pm
I tend to think either wonderful or horrible things as I wait to go to sleep.
Post by: kaijyuu on May 15, 2013, 11:19:34 pm
Plan for the future.Your boyfriend has the same name as me and it occasionally weirds me out :X
And/or Nick.
No problem of course; just sayin'
Post by: GuesssWho on May 16, 2013, 05:22:12 am
Post by: Max White on May 16, 2013, 05:24:42 am
And/or Nick.You know the gay couple from Cloud Atlas? In my mind that is you guys. Sorry if that is a little bit of an unfair stereotype, but they were so awesome.
Don't follow their example. :(
Post by: Greiger on May 16, 2013, 08:22:56 am
On the way back a bicyclist suddenly pulls out from a driveway. I brake and almost hit them in my car. As he went by he yelled "Pedestrians have right of way asshole!"
First of all you are a bicyclist not a pedestrian.
Second, pedestrians crossing the road anyplace but a marked crosswalk must yeild to vehicles.
Third, bicycles are considered a vehicle under Florida traffic law.
Quote from: http://floridabicycle.org/bicycle-traffic-law/
In Florida the bicycle is legally defined as a vehicle and the bicyclist is a driver. Bicyclists have the same rights to the roadways, and must obey the same traffic laws as the drivers of other vehicles. These laws include stopping for stop signs and red lights, riding with the flow of traffic, using lights at night, yielding the right-of-way when entering a roadway and yielding to pedestrians in crosswalks.Text bolded for emphasis.
And fourth, If you really really ask I'm sure they will happily put "He had Right of Way" on your tombstone, true or not, when you pull that shit again.
Post by: Max White on May 16, 2013, 08:32:50 am
Having said that, 90% of people in cars are morons who don't understand how the rules work. Heck, you ask them how to over take a bike and their response is "Well they shouldn't be on the road in the first place!". They are a danger to all involved.
Post by: Dutchling on May 16, 2013, 08:34:25 am
Heck, you ask them how they are meant to indicateLike anyone ever does that :P
Post by: Hanslanda on May 16, 2013, 11:53:11 am
I tend to think either wonderful or horrible things as I wait to go to sleep.My imagination starts messing about and virtually anything that I read, played or watched is mixed together into some kind of sci-fi/fantasy/action/whatever dream.
One of the things I began to think of was 'What if Eragon and Saphira from the inheritance cycle went to Pandora from Avatar?'
Cue a dream that I had whilst semi-awake about what the hell that would entail.
My dream last night involved: A snowy, semi-apocalyptic landscape, complete with people/monsters shooting at/fight me/us, a strange city-type area that seemed like a huge shopping mall built under the convergence of several highways, like you see in L.A., and inside that city was: A massive rolling section of farmland that we drove to a house on, but inside the house was another part of the massive shopping place with a half dozen little bathroom sized restaurants, and a control section from a small yacht. Also, my aunt was there. And we tried to eat at the yacht thing. After almost getting hit by a 'small truck that somehow turned into a semi when you looked away' and we were riding in what seemed like an amphibious vehicle.
Good times.
Post by: tahujdt on May 16, 2013, 12:05:59 pm
I can't top that, I just dreamed that I was back in the Depression. My family was so poor that we had to take boarders. Then one day we got some space-alien boarders made of solid gold. So we melted them down.I tend to think either wonderful or horrible things as I wait to go to sleep.My imagination starts messing about and virtually anything that I read, played or watched is mixed together into some kind of sci-fi/fantasy/action/whatever dream.
One of the things I began to think of was 'What if Eragon and Saphira from the inheritance cycle went to Pandora from Avatar?'
Cue a dream that I had whilst semi-awake about what the hell that would entail.
My dream last night involved: A snowy, semi-apocalyptic landscape, complete with people/monsters shooting at/fight me/us, a strange city-type area that seemed like a huge shopping mall built under the convergence of several highways, like you see in L.A., and inside that city was: A massive rolling section of farmland that we drove to a house on, but inside the house was another part of the massive shopping place with a half dozen little bathroom sized restaurants, and a control section from a small yacht. Also, my aunt was there. And we tried to eat at the yacht thing. After almost getting hit by a 'small truck that somehow turned into a semi when you looked away' and we were riding in what seemed like an amphibious vehicle.
Good times.
Then I learned how to fly.
Post by: Devling on May 16, 2013, 08:22:32 pm
Or me ripping out a tooth.
I am terrified about losing teeth...
Post by: Xantalos on May 17, 2013, 12:07:51 pm
BURNINATIONI tend to think either wonderful or horrible things as I wait to go to sleep.My imagination starts messing about and virtually anything that I read, played or watched is mixed together into some kind of sci-fi/fantasy/action/whatever dream.
One of the things I began to think of was 'What if Eragon and Saphira from the inheritance cycle went to Pandora from Avatar?'
Cue a dream that I had whilst semi-awake about what the hell that would entail.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 17, 2013, 04:36:55 pm
"What?! You illegal peed without me?! I'm wounded!" - also crazy lady
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on May 17, 2013, 05:18:29 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on May 17, 2013, 05:25:02 pm
Quote from: Some moron on Reddit
The prices our grandparents paid (I'm talking about America in this example) when a candy bar or a subway ride was a nickel, could still be our reality if not for central banks stealing away the value of our money by constantly creating more of it.
A $2000/year salary could be yours, too, if it weren't for those meddling Keynesians!
Post by: Frumple on May 17, 2013, 05:43:28 pm
A $2000/year salary could be yours, too, if it weren't for those meddling Keynesians!... that'd be a more meaningful statement if it involved an inflation adjusted comparison. There actually has been a number of times (still including today, iirc) where despite salaries going up, purchasing power decreased. $50k/year is irrelevant if it buys less than $2k/year, et al. Mind you, I'm fairly sure that's not the actual conversion rate or anything silly like that, and it's a hell of a lot more complicated than the snippet you quoted suggests, but there's actually a certain degree of truth in that quote.
Still a fairly shortsighted and ignorant thing to state, sure, just not entirely misguided.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on May 17, 2013, 05:46:39 pm
A $2000/year salary could be yours, too, if it weren't for those meddling Keynesians!... that'd be a more meaningful statement if it involved an inflation adjusted comparison. There actually has been a number of times (still including today, iirc) where despite salaries going up, purchasing power decreased. $50k/year is irrelevant if it buys less than $2k/year, et al. Mind you, I'm fairly sure that's not the actual conversion rate or anything silly like that, and it's a hell of a lot more complicated than the snippet you quoted suggests, but there's actually a certain degree of truth in that quote.
Still a fairly shortsighted and ignorant thing to state, sure, just not entirely misguided.
From the context of the quote, it was clear he hadn't any idea how inflation actually worked. You're right, but he wasn't wrong, he was not even wrong.
EDIT: He's replied to my further objections. Not only is deflation never a problem, but "assertions to the contrary, no matter how widely believed within certain economic schools, are wrong." All these so-called """experts""" with their "facts"- I tell you, it sure gives me peace of mind at night to know they're kept at bay by brave lone wolves like these with their own unbacked assertions.
Post by: GuesssWho on May 18, 2013, 03:33:22 am
Post by: Xantalos on May 22, 2013, 08:00:03 pm
Post by: Gamerlord on May 22, 2013, 08:05:09 pm
Goddamit brother, why do you insist on asking for ice cream from an already volatile and pissed-off parent before dinner?I hear you. Bloody siblings, never knowing when to quit. *shakes head*
Post by: Slayerhero90 on May 22, 2013, 08:42:32 pm
Post by: Graknorke on May 23, 2013, 12:42:12 pm
Spoiler: Oh Omegle (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ameablable on May 23, 2013, 12:55:19 pm
ah the pinnacle of human human communication.Spoiler: Oh Omegle (click to show/hide)
Post by: miauw62 on May 23, 2013, 01:12:42 pm
For some reason, this makes me giggle a LOT.Spoiler: Oh Omegle (click to show/hide)
E:
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Question to discuss:
If we dig deep enough can we release all the gravity?
HNGGGGG
E2: Holy shit.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Rose on May 23, 2013, 07:31:01 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 24, 2013, 07:54:19 pm
Whoah, that's deep, man.Dug3deep5me.
Post by: DarkWolfXV on May 31, 2013, 05:38:29 pm
ah the pinnacle of human human communication.Spoiler: Oh Omegle (click to show/hide)
HAHA I DIED.
Post by: IronTomato on June 03, 2013, 10:17:55 am
Post by: Gamerlord on June 03, 2013, 10:24:28 am
"Why aren't you going to the 8th grade celebration?" X over 9000"Why aren't you going to the Year 12 Formal?"
SO MANY FUCKING TIMES.
Post by: Graknorke on June 03, 2013, 10:33:45 am
"For that party we need subwoofers, bass drops, dubstep, American Cream Soda..." "You forgot booze" "Yeah man we need a load of booze"
"If I saw you dressed like that I'd knock you down through the door and tell you to put something else on before I rag you" "Yeah just pull her panties down there you get me?"
"That cafe's always filled with cops. Fucking full of snitches there."
I can't tell if they were joking or serious, since they kept it up the entire journey. Then again they were speaking in the sort of voice I would use when making fun of statements like that. But the reason that voice is used is because people who take that stuff seriously presumably speak like that.
I reckon they were just imbeciles.
Post by: IronTomato on June 03, 2013, 07:36:53 pm
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Post by: Devling on June 03, 2013, 07:59:44 pm
I'm not even kidding.
Post by: frostshotgg on June 03, 2013, 08:34:39 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on June 03, 2013, 08:37:35 pm
Post by: Frumple on June 03, 2013, 08:39:11 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on June 03, 2013, 09:10:48 pm
Post by: Vattic on June 06, 2013, 04:48:50 am
Person 2: Oh aye. Too true.
Post by: Graknorke on June 09, 2013, 02:53:39 pm
ARGRAG!Who thinks that?
So many people that believe you can get more energy out of a reaction between two chemicals (such as hydrogen and oxygen) than you need to put in to the product in order to split it into the reactants.
THERMODYNAMICS!
LEARN THEM!
I need to teach them simple physics. Using my physics poker.
Post by: misko27 on June 09, 2013, 03:00:34 pm
ARGRAG!To be fair, Chemical energy seem a lot more abstract then electricity.
So many people that believe you can get more energy out of a reaction between two chemicals (such as hydrogen and oxygen) than you need to put in to the product in order to split it into the reactants.
THERMODYNAMICS!
LEARN THEM!
Post by: fractalman on June 10, 2013, 07:42:02 pm
dark/vaccuum energy is the only remotely plausible source of unlimited energy. I can't help but wonder why there are relatively few crackpots peddling investments in dark-energy perpetual motion compared to the "magnet" crackpots who "recharge" a battery by letting it sit for a while within a useless, but impressive-looking contraption.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on June 10, 2013, 10:47:01 pm
dark/vaccuum energy is the only remotely plausible source of unlimited energy. I can't help but wonder why there are relatively few crackpots peddling investments in dark-energy perpetual motion compared to the "magnet" crackpots who "recharge" a battery by letting it sit for a while within a useless, but impressive-looking contraption.I'd imagine this is probably because dark matter and dark energy are much harder to get one's hands on than, say, magnets.
Dark matter is still hypothetical anyway, as far as I know. A quick check of Wikipedia implies confirmation that it's hypothetical, as well as dark energy. Magnets, however, exist.
Post by: misko27 on June 10, 2013, 10:51:41 pm
Post by: MrSparky on June 10, 2013, 10:59:35 pm
dark matter just sounds made up.
The book wasn't that good either. It started out ok but then it was a vampire love story and then it was a doomsday story and then there was an angel giving birth inside the wall that another angel had locked her up in. Yeah.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on June 10, 2013, 11:07:29 pm
It might be because Dark energy sounds too obviously fake, like you're trying too hard. Simply Put, endless levitation is a thought that occurs to people, while dark matter just sounds made up.
It sounds better than calling it "hypothetical invisible matter that we can't detect at all but assume it must be there because gravity and physics" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter) and "energy which we can't detect but that we assume is related to the invisible mass and is responsible for the infinite expansion of the universe" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy)
space is black, right? black is dark. If most of space is invisible matter, that matter is dark. If that energy is related to that matter and both bear the same traits then the energy should have a similar name. Makes sense in terms of naming stuff.
Anyway, if people decide not to experiment in utilizing dark energy as a form of energy primarily because it sounds made up then those people shouldn't be attempting to utilize it anyway. They'd clearly be so far out of their field and have no idea what they're doing and probably accidentally the universe.
The book wasn't that good either. It started out ok but then it was a vampire love story and then it was a doomsday story and then there was an angel giving birth inside the wall that another angel had locked her up in. Yeah.I....wat?
Post by: MrSparky on June 10, 2013, 11:26:03 pm
There's a book called Dark Matter. Actually multiple books by multiple authors. The one I'm talking about is This One (http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matter-Michele-Roger/dp/1449974252)The book wasn't that good either. It started out ok but then it was a vampire love story and then it was a doomsday story and then there was an angel giving birth inside the wall that another angel had locked her up in. Yeah.I....wat?
Post by: Sheb on June 11, 2013, 08:48:48 am
Post by: Graknorke on June 11, 2013, 11:23:52 am
Yup, it's this colour.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4UmWAVsInu8/SvYbgalTp8I/AAAAAAAAAFM/tF76-lzBbYs/s1600/cosmic_latte.png)
Post by: Devling on June 11, 2013, 08:32:51 pm
Post by: IronTomato on June 17, 2013, 10:33:07 am
~Everyone
Post by: Slayerhero90 on June 17, 2013, 10:41:08 am
"Whatevs"At least I seldom use that word in that context, rather going for its use in "whatever it is/does/verbs possibly-a-preposition". And when I do, I bother to finish the word.
~Everyone
Post by: Devling on June 17, 2013, 10:43:26 am
It's the worst word. It is dismissive, while not providing any context for why you are being dismissive. It's apathy put into a word.
Post by: Skyrunner on June 17, 2013, 10:44:22 am
Post by: Slayerhero90 on June 17, 2013, 10:44:53 am
You know what word I hate? "meh".And I am just fine with and use that word, but usually I say why I said meh afterwards.
It's the worst word. It is dismissive, while not providing any context for why you are being dismissive. It's apathy put into a word.
Post by: miauw62 on June 17, 2013, 10:45:36 am
You know what word I hate? "meh".Meh.
It's the worst word. It is dismissive, while not providing any context for why you are being dismissive. It's apathy put into a word.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on June 17, 2013, 10:46:01 am
Post by: Devling on June 17, 2013, 10:54:10 am
That's precisely why I use it D: It's crystallized apathy!Apathy is the worst emotion. I would rather have someone actively hate something I like then be 'meh' about it.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on June 17, 2013, 11:01:00 am
But sometimes, you just can't bring yourself to caring.That's precisely why I use it D: It's crystallized apathy!Apathy is the worst emotion. I would rather have someone actively hate something I like then be 'meh' about it.
Post by: Mech#4 on June 17, 2013, 11:05:28 am
What I hate is when people pluralize words when that should be singular.
Heys, whats I's sounds likes? A guys whats doesn'ts pluralizes alls words? :P
Post by: Graknorke on June 17, 2013, 11:31:50 am
You wouldn't like me much then. On the inside I am apathetic about pretty much everything. So I have to pretend like I have opinions.That's precisely why I use it D: It's crystallized apathy!Apathy is the worst emotion. I would rather have someone actively hate something I like then be 'meh' about it.
Post by: Aptus on June 17, 2013, 11:34:56 am
What I hate is when people pluralize words when that should be singular.
Heys, whats I's sounds likes? A guys whats doesn'ts pluralizes alls words? :P
Hey, stop pluralising those singlulars!
Post by: Devling on June 17, 2013, 03:07:36 pm
I know. It makes me said every day.But sometimes, you just can't bring yourself to caring.That's precisely why I use it D: It's crystallized apathy!Apathy is the worst emotion. I would rather have someone actively hate something I like then be 'meh' about it.
Post by: Graknorke on June 17, 2013, 04:30:42 pm
Quote from: Bungie Forums
A group is based on its worst member.If irony were tangible I would have enough to feed all starving children for the rest of their lives.
Post by: Graknorke on June 17, 2013, 05:46:26 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 17, 2013, 06:10:36 pm
Post by: Devling on June 17, 2013, 06:14:06 pm
Post by: Graknorke on June 17, 2013, 06:30:32 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on June 17, 2013, 06:31:49 pm
Post by: Descan on June 17, 2013, 06:36:20 pm
Post by: Graknorke on June 17, 2013, 06:38:47 pm
/me goe's crazy, run's around, fall's off a cliff. ;____;Fixd
Post by: Mageziya on June 17, 2013, 06:51:49 pm
Fix'd's/me goe's's crazy, run's around, fall's off a cliff. ;____;Fix'd's
Post by: Graknorke on June 17, 2013, 06:58:34 pm
Post by: Devling on June 17, 2013, 07:00:13 pm
Post by: Graknorke on June 17, 2013, 07:01:23 pm
Brace yourself, winter's is coming.Oh no's. The rain's only ju'st went away too. How di's'sapointing.
Post by: Mageziya on June 17, 2013, 07:19:49 pm
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvboKVCpS3jxSxk5ZKvOj7IfbTJXEOmoYFtZHPN0LChPUEYQSE)But wait's.
I thought thi's wa's the Apostroapocalyp'se,
UNLE'S'S,
OH, DEA'R, GOD, HELP', U'S,
Post by: Graknorke on June 17, 2013, 08:05:06 pm
But wait's.WE, AR'E BECOME, O,NE AT, LA'ST!
I thought thi's wa's the Apostroapocalyp'se,
UNLE'S'S,
OH, DEA'R, GOD, HELP', U'S,
Post by: Gamerlord on June 17, 2013, 08:16:35 pm
Post by: Sirus on June 17, 2013, 08:18:50 pm
Post by: Graknorke on June 17, 2013, 08:32:17 pm
I'm looking at Dwarf Fortress' Desura page and reading through the low reviews. Funny stuff man.
Post by: MaximumZero on June 17, 2013, 10:36:10 pm
MZ: "A) Why didn't you call our boss? B) It's been widely known among the support staff that my car is dead, and that I'm driving my girlfriend's."
Coworker: "Um...so you just don't want to drive over? It's not that far."
MZ: *facepalm*
Post by: Gamerlord on June 17, 2013, 10:39:18 pm
Fine, fine.Linkey?
I'm looking at Dwarf Fortress' Desura page and reading through the low reviews. Funny stuff man.
Post by: Flying Dice on June 17, 2013, 10:42:15 pm
Here. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=desura+dwarf+fortress+reviews)Fine, fine.Linkey?
I'm looking at Dwarf Fortress' Desura page and reading through the low reviews. Funny stuff man.
Post by: Steelmagic on June 17, 2013, 10:52:30 pm
My favorite review was "this game gave me 13 Trojan horses!" If you can't download Dwarf Fortress, you should probably give up on the internet, at least for awhile.Here. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=desura+dwarf+fortress+reviews)Fine, fine.Linkey?
I'm looking at Dwarf Fortress' Desura page and reading through the low reviews. Funny stuff man.
Post by: tahujdt on June 17, 2013, 11:33:41 pm
FTFYMy favorite review was "this game gave me 13 Trojan horse's!" If you can't download Dwarf Fortress, you should probably give up on the internet, at least for awhile.Here. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=desura+dwarf+fortress+reviews)Fine, fine.Linkey?
I'm looking at Dwarf Fortress' Desura page and reading through the low reviews. Funny stuff man.
Possibly, though, he was referring to an FB.
A nice quote, even if he misspelled immature:
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Not to mention that many, many other very populer games are heavily inspired by Dwarf Fortress, an example being Minecraft, and Towns. As much as the imature Minecraft community would like to deny, Minecraft and every game "based" off minecraft would never have come to be without this game.Also, a good anti-graphics argument:
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And, for all those whiners, that whine about the graphics, if this game had any batter graphics then it has now, even baisic flash stuff, your computer would probobly exlode into 1000 pieces, even the most advenced computer you can buy.Didn't someone actually run DF on a supercomputer once?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 18, 2013, 01:00:35 am
Post by: NobodyPro on June 18, 2013, 06:07:32 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 18, 2013, 06:19:37 am
A person accused me of being racist for saying that you can buy bootleg DVDs in some Chinese supermarkets. I say this because I have been to China.Yeah. People these days don't really know what racism is, why it's awful or that bootlegging is a lot easier than actually getting the official thing from Hollyolliwood in some places.
But you do also forget, though I'm not sure about Murrica, just about every country will have a market where you can buy bootlegged DVDs and bagels. It's Brick Lane over here, though most of the people selling the DVDs are Vietnamese not Chinese. It's quite ingenious really, the speed at which they can pack up and leg it when they hear the police are coming is stunning.
Post by: miauw62 on June 18, 2013, 07:23:36 am
On the graphics aspect, that's actually not true. Graphics run on their own separate thread, and well, use the GPU rather than the CPU. Plenty of room for improvement.The reason for ASCII graphics is just that Toady doesn't want to bother spending time that could've been used on more features on graphics.
E:
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(Also please don't get the lazy newb pack because the creators of the game wouldn't like it if you did. Really).
All my wat?
Post by: itisnotlogical on June 18, 2013, 07:37:19 am
A person accused me of being racist for saying that you can buy bootleg DVDs in some Chinese supermarkets. I say this because I have been to China.Yeah. People these days don't really know what racism is, why it's awful or that bootlegging is a lot easier than actually getting the official thing from Hollyolliwood in some places.
But you do also forget, though I'm not sure about Murrica, just about every country will have a market where you can buy bootlegged DVDs and bagels. It's Brick Lane over here, though most of the people selling the DVDs are Vietnamese not Chinese. It's quite ingenious really, the speed at which they can pack up and leg it when they hear the police are coming is stunning.
I actually have some bootleg DVDs from my grandmother, no idea how she got them but oh well. The Engrish in the subtitles and sometimes on the menus is amazing. In some war movie (Jarhead? I don't know) one of the characters is asked something about their father's death, which in the subtitles reads as "How long did your old bean man die?"
Also, somebody tried to argue with me that Citizen Kane was a boring movie because it was silent.
Post by: Rose on June 18, 2013, 08:01:01 am
Post by: Graknorke on June 18, 2013, 06:35:41 pm
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Urine is mostly ammoniaI'm sorry my brain just packed its bags and left for greener pastures. Where people aren't idiots. Unfortunately, it can't find anywhere.
Post by: MrSparky on June 18, 2013, 07:26:39 pm
I wouldn't say that was amazingly stupid. While urine is 95% water the second largest component is urea. Urea and water(in the presence of urease) react to produce ammonia and carbon dioxide. So if you leave a bucket of urine out for say, a week, you'll have a bucket of water and ammonia.QuoteUrine is mostly ammoniaI'm sorry my brain just packed its bags and left for greener pastures. Where people aren't idiots. Unfortunately, it can't find anywhere.
Post by: frostshotgg on June 18, 2013, 10:26:25 pm
Interesting side note, urea + water is extremely endothermic. It's what's in the instant ice pack things.
Post by: Xantalos on June 19, 2013, 12:05:44 am
What I hate is when people pluralize words when that should be singular.Moose/meese
Post by: Gamerlord on June 19, 2013, 03:01:47 am
Yeah, while he wasn't correct, he's not too far off.O_o
Interesting side note, urea + water is extremely endothermic. It's what's in the instant ice pack things.
Now I will never use them again.
Post by: MrSparky on June 19, 2013, 08:45:43 am
They use synthetic urea obviously, just like they don't make soap from water, ash, and animal fat anymore.Yeah, while he wasn't correct, he's not too far off.O_o
Interesting side note, urea + water is extremely endothermic. It's what's in the instant ice pack things.
Now I will never use them again.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 19, 2013, 11:24:53 am
The plural of moose is moose.What I hate is when people pluralize words when that should be singular.Moose/meese
(I might be missing something here though)
Post by: Flying Dice on June 19, 2013, 12:57:22 pm
Fun with goose/geese, presumably.The plural of moose is moose.What I hate is when people pluralize words when that should be singular.Moose/meese
(I might be missing something here though)
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 19, 2013, 01:10:00 pm
Post by: Graknorke on June 19, 2013, 01:28:54 pm
I bet you all lot just love sheep.
Spoiler: aye (click to show/hide)
Post by: SealyStar on June 19, 2013, 02:47:21 pm
I bet you all lot just love sheep.Spoiler: aye (click to show/hide)
Damned Scotsmen.
Post by: Eric Blank on June 20, 2013, 12:11:54 am
"How would women generally react if you approached them in public, as a complete stranger, and asked "excuse me ma'am, may I please grasp your breasts?""
My hypothesis: you'd be beaten, stabbed, shot, doused in copious amounts of pepper spray, and then charged with sexual assault. Not even necessarily by the person you addressed, either.
Post by: Hanslanda on June 20, 2013, 12:45:54 am
Post by: Steelmagic on June 20, 2013, 12:48:04 am
Post by: Rose on June 20, 2013, 01:05:44 am
Post by: Steelmagic on June 20, 2013, 01:20:25 am
Post by: tomio175 on June 20, 2013, 04:51:23 am
Link:
http://2be.be/uit-de-mlf-doos-borsten-voelen (http://2be.be/uit-de-mlf-doos-borsten-voelen)
For those that don't understand dutch: It's a program of which the goal is to stop the "new man".
They're doing somewhat of a contest to touch the most breasts, to "get used to breasts, so we won't be influenced by them anymore".
Both of the men in the video are married...
Post by: Steelmagic on June 20, 2013, 04:56:46 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2013, 05:02:02 am
I had a spontaneous and utterly preposterous thought come to mind suddenly:I guess NSFW. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXOtYPcC4tQ)
"How would women generally react if you approached them in public, as a complete stranger, and asked "excuse me ma'am, may I please grasp your breasts?""
My hypothesis: you'd be beaten, stabbed, shot, doused in copious amounts of pepper spray, and then charged with sexual assault. Not even necessarily by the person you addressed, either.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 20, 2013, 05:31:48 am
Post by: Gamerlord on June 20, 2013, 05:32:21 am
A Belgian TV-program did this.*sticks up hand*
Link:
http://2be.be/uit-de-mlf-doos-borsten-voelen (http://2be.be/uit-de-mlf-doos-borsten-voelen)
For those that don't understand dutch: It's a program of which the goal is to stop the "new man".
They're doing somewhat of a contest to touch the most breasts, to "get used to breasts, so we won't be influenced by them anymore".
Both of the men in the video are married...
I WANNA DO THAT!
Post by: Xantalos on June 20, 2013, 10:57:25 pm
Post by: Vector on June 20, 2013, 11:19:25 pm
Mom says I look like a lesbian and she's been holding her tongue for months.
Gee Mom. Sorry.
Post by: GuesssWho on June 20, 2013, 11:29:46 pm
Post by: Vector on June 20, 2013, 11:34:33 pm
Post by: GuesssWho on June 21, 2013, 03:01:01 am
At least my parents are sane about my asexual/lesbian -isms.
Post by: Mageziya on June 21, 2013, 12:58:02 pm
Post by: Xantalos on June 21, 2013, 01:00:48 pm
Wait, isn't Asexuality the total lack of any form of sexual attraction? Isn't Bisexuality the attraction to both genders?While we're at it, what's the difference between pan and omnisexualism?
Post by: Rose on June 21, 2013, 01:01:53 pm
But has no interest in sex with either.
I can understand that mindset.
Post by: Descan on June 21, 2013, 01:03:02 pm
The whole "You can't have a relationship with someone without wanting to fuck them!" bit.
It just seems silly. >_>
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 21, 2013, 02:05:16 pm
- Queer;
- Agender;
- Ambigender;
- Ambisexual;
- Androgyne;
- Asexual;
- Bigender;
- Bisexual;
- Birl;
- Biromantic;
- Bromosexual;
- Boi;
- Butch;
- Crossdresser;
- Drag king;
- Drag queen;
- [En] femme;
- Homosexual;
- Gay;
- Gender-adjacent;
- Gender anarchist;
- Gender creative;
- Genderfluid;
- Genderless;
- Gender non-conformin;
- Genderqueer;
- Gender transcendent;
- Graysexual;
- Heteroflexible;
- Homoflexible;
- Homoromantic;
- Intergender;
- Intersex;
- Lesbian;
- Multigender;
- Neutral/neutrois;
- Non-heterosexual;
- Omnisexual;
- Pangender;
- Panromantic;
- Pansexual;
- Polygender;
- Poysexual;
- Pomosexual;
- Questionable;
- Sexually fluid;
- Third-gender;
- Third-sex;
- Transexua;
- Transvestite;
- Trigender;
- There's probably more.
I think sexuality is the only part of the human language where we have more words than words that involve mechanic forces.
But by the Gods people really need to stop with the fucking labels! THERE ARE TOO MANY, YOU REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PYLONS FIRST FFS
Post by: Steelmagic on June 21, 2013, 02:06:42 pm
I think those are the same but i don't claim to be an expert in pansexualism.Wait, isn't Asexuality the total lack of any form of sexual attraction? Isn't Bisexuality the attraction to both genders?While we're at it, what's the difference between pan and omnisexualism?
Post by: Dutchling on June 21, 2013, 02:07:17 pm
I deny everything >.>
Post by: Devling on June 21, 2013, 02:13:36 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 21, 2013, 02:19:40 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on June 21, 2013, 02:23:02 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on June 21, 2013, 02:34:01 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on June 21, 2013, 02:42:09 pm
There isn't one. Pan and Omni both mean "everything".Wait, isn't Asexuality the total lack of any form of sexual attraction? Isn't Bisexuality the attraction to both genders?While we're at it, what's the difference between pan and omnisexualism?
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2013, 02:50:23 pm
http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/06/21/well-that-escalated-quickly
I do not believe Mr. Krahulik is a bigot, just ignorant. When someone says something as monumentally stupid as "[only] women have vaginas and [only] men have a penis" they're either ignorant or transphobic. There's no real room for anything else. Mr. Krahulik does not really strike me as transphobic so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and just assume he's ignorant.
People did jump on him with righteous fury a little too quickly before he made that statement, but perhaps it turned out okay since it brought the issue to light. More people need to know that what you have between your legs is not necessarily indicative of your gender. A game about female masturbation can certainly only include vaginas; I'm on Mr. Krahulik's side there. But other women exist.
Also, I should note that that post is probably one of the closest to an apology the guy has ever given. Aside from that one time he plagiarized someone's drawing of rocks, I don't think he's ever made such a... regretful? post.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 21, 2013, 03:32:32 pm
I generally don't talk about internet celebrities and their gaffs, but I felt this one interesting enough to point out:That was a funny one. It's really astounding just how quickly tumblr brought out the threats, then also the speed of the resulting reaction. It quickly got overshadowed by Jason though. By the way, who came up with all these naming things?
http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/06/21/well-that-escalated-quickly
Because transphobia literally means the fear of change. Homophobia would mean fear of the same. Both don't really allude to sexuality or even prejudice. Those definitions really need better words for them... Like sexism? Certainly would make more sense.
Post by: Vector on June 21, 2013, 04:18:07 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 21, 2013, 04:33:38 pm
Let's see, people who went from gender transition to transgender -> transphobia rather than transgenderphobia, and homosexuality -> homophobia rather than homosexualphobia? They're done through clipping of the root's derivatives, rather than moving from the root itself in this etymological context.Eh, still seems clunky and ill-named. Something like Saphicodium sounds nicer. Stemming from a single word as opposed to from a compound noun butchering an abstract noun.
Post by: Pnx on June 21, 2013, 04:39:58 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2013, 04:42:06 pm
You can certainly criticize words for potential ambiguity, but their meaning is still defined by how people use them, not by anything else.
Post by: Vector on June 21, 2013, 04:43:04 pm
My fiancee might yell at me for saying this, but I think colloquial usage is more important than anything. If people take word x to mean y, then that's what it means, roots and such be damned.
You can certainly criticize words for potential ambiguity, but their meaning is still defined by how people use them, not by anything else.
Indeed, this.
It's not as ... Platonically beautiful, I guess, but things aren't.
Post by: Devling on June 21, 2013, 04:46:01 pm
Post by: ggamer on June 21, 2013, 04:47:18 pm
Some pretty bad stuff happened
From what I can tell, It all seems like the community fucked with a very important topic at PAX, and when he tried to give everyone an equal voice that shit blew up in his face. The bad part is when he lost his temper and started insulting people, but when you have the majority of the internet screaming at your ear right after you wake up, that is bound to happen.
I don't know why the community jumped on his ass so quickly, and why nobody tried to solve this issue calmly, instead of sending him an e-mail three minutes after the panel was announced calling him "cis male garbage".
What i'm trying (and most likely failing) to say is that incidents like this wouldn't happen if people could communicate each other like normal human beings. When you hear somebody prefers coke over pepsi you don't bring out the death threats and nasty comments. It doesn't do much for the message of soda equality when you start flaming somebody who prefers one soda over another.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2013, 04:50:12 pm
I offer no defense for those who were yelling personal insults at him for what apparently was an evil panel at PAX he had no idea existed.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 21, 2013, 05:08:08 pm
My fiancee might yell at me for saying this, but I think colloquial usage is more important than anything. If people take word x to mean y, then that's what it means, roots and such be damned.Ah, but then there are times where the majority use a word wrongly.
You can certainly criticize words for potential ambiguity, but their meaning is still defined by how people use them, not by anything else.
But I suppose, much like 'quite,' its meaning will achieve its intended usage despite its definitive limitations, mostly irregardless of what it means to individuals.
Still won't stop me from getting chuckles at the image of people scared of gay people quite as much as spiders.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2013, 05:29:11 pm
irregardlessI'm guessing this was intentional ;P
Post by: ggamer on June 21, 2013, 05:39:38 pm
Still won't stop me from getting chuckles at the image of people scared of gay people quite as much as spiders.
pppffff
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 21, 2013, 05:44:06 pm
Dohohoho~irregardlessI'm guessing this was intentional ;P
Post by: Mageziya on June 21, 2013, 05:45:43 pm
Prime example right here.My fiancee might yell at me for saying this, but I think colloquial usage is more important than anything. If people take word x to mean y, then that's what it means, roots and such be damned.Ah, but then there are times where the majority use a word wrongly.
You can certainly criticize words for potential ambiguity, but their meaning is still defined by how people use them, not by anything else.
But I suppose, much like 'quite,' its meaning will achieve its intended usage despite its definitive limitations, mostly irregardless of what it means to individuals.
Still won't stop me from getting chuckles at the image of people scared of gay people quite as much as spiders.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 21, 2013, 05:51:23 pm
Prime example right here.You got ninja'd so bad it burns.
Post by: Mageziya on June 21, 2013, 05:52:38 pm
Damn, normally it tells me, "There have been 'blah' new replies."Prime example right here.You got ninja'd so bad it burns.
Post by: XXSockXX on June 21, 2013, 06:05:07 pm
Post by: misko27 on June 21, 2013, 06:29:19 pm
Anyway, as a Latin student let me say who really needs latin? At the end of the day That Transphobia meaning fear of Transsexualism is only bothering to people who's fear of change is on par with peoples fear of water. And Frankly people who are scared of change generally just say that they're scared of change.
Also, Relevant:
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Post by: IronTomato on June 21, 2013, 06:40:34 pm
Yeah, the plural of moose is moose. I know because there are plenty of mooses where I live.Fun with goose/geese, presumablyThe plural of moose is moose.What I hate is when people pluralize words when that should be singular.Moose/meese
(I might be missing something here though)
On-Topic: Why don't we just nuke burger king?
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 21, 2013, 07:14:45 pm
On-Topic: Why don't we just nuke burger king?It hasn't happened because the King supports the petro-dollar. You can bet if he tried to create a Burgerdollar the American army would be storming Burger King lands and in no time it'd be a 'democratic' burger republic.
Post by: IronTomato on June 21, 2013, 08:07:41 pm
Post by: XXSockXX on June 21, 2013, 08:10:31 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 21, 2013, 08:13:52 pm
No, I heard someone else say that and I thought it was stupid. Mostly because the person meant that we should literally nuke all the Burger Kings.What's stupid about that? I suppose it'd be stupid to nuke only burger king I guess.
Post by: SealyStar on June 21, 2013, 08:33:18 pm
There isn't one. Pan and Omni both mean "everything".Wait, isn't Asexuality the total lack of any form of sexual attraction? Isn't Bisexuality the attraction to both genders?While we're at it, what's the difference between pan and omnisexualism?
The compound words for sexual orientation were always etymologically bizarre. "Homo" and "hetero" are Greek, "bi" and "sexual" itself are Latin. "a" is Greek. "Pan" is Greek and "omni" is Latin.
People should learn to choose one ancient root language and roll with it, dammit.
Post by: Sirus on June 21, 2013, 08:36:06 pm
That ain't how English works, bub. It's a bastard language in every sense of the phrase, from roots to modern loan words, and that's the way I like it.There isn't one. Pan and Omni both mean "everything".Wait, isn't Asexuality the total lack of any form of sexual attraction? Isn't Bisexuality the attraction to both genders?While we're at it, what's the difference between pan and omnisexualism?
The compound words for sexual orientation were always etymologically bizarre. "Homo" and "hetero" are Greek, "bi" and "sexual" itself are Latin. "a" is Greek. "Pan" is Greek and "omni" is Latin.
People should learn to choose one ancient root language and roll with it, dammit.
Post by: Descan on June 21, 2013, 09:27:16 pm
So irregardless, I think sexism is a much nicer and more inclusive term for a non-nice, non-inclusive thing. Frankly, I haven't even heard transphobia that often, that seems to get lumped in with homophobia all the time. Which kinda makes sense I guess since from a homophobic point of view (that should cover the vast majority of cases), transphobia basically is homophobia. (I'm not aware of homosexual people disliking transsexual people)It's a problem.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 21, 2013, 10:04:52 pm
Yup. Basically being part of an oppressed minority does preclude one from being prejudiced against other oppressed minorities. Logically you'd think people would see parallels, but they don't always.So irregardless, I think sexism is a much nicer and more inclusive term for a non-nice, non-inclusive thing. Frankly, I haven't even heard transphobia that often, that seems to get lumped in with homophobia all the time. Which kinda makes sense I guess since from a homophobic point of view (that should cover the vast majority of cases), transphobia basically is homophobia. (I'm not aware of homosexual people disliking transsexual people)It's a problem.
A not-insignificant number of the LGBT community want to remove the "T." Some want to remove the "B" too, and others still want to separate the "L" and "G." Fortunately most people realize the need for cohesion and understanding, so schisms are usually small.
Post by: MaximumZero on June 21, 2013, 11:27:48 pm
English: Doin' it wrong since the 5th Century.That ain't how English works, bub. It's a bastard language in every sense of the phrase, from roots to modern loan words, and that's the way I like it.There isn't one. Pan and Omni both mean "everything".Wait, isn't Asexuality the total lack of any form of sexual attraction? Isn't Bisexuality the attraction to both genders?While we're at it, what's the difference between pan and omnisexualism?
The compound words for sexual orientation were always etymologically bizarre. "Homo" and "hetero" are Greek, "bi" and "sexual" itself are Latin. "a" is Greek. "Pan" is Greek and "omni" is Latin.
People should learn to choose one ancient root language and roll with it, dammit.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 21, 2013, 11:38:36 pm
English: Doin' itWe're climbing in your thesauruseswrongright since the 5th Century.
Snatching your prefixes up
Trying to English them
So hide your nouns
Hide your verbs
And hide your adjectives because we stealing all the words up in here
Post by: Steelmagic on June 21, 2013, 11:41:14 pm
English: the kleptomaniac language.English: Doin' itWe're climbing in your thesauruseswrongright since the 5th Century.
Snatching your prefixes up
Trying to English them
So hide your nouns
Hide your verbs
And hide your adjectives because we stealing all the words up in here
Post by: ggamer on June 21, 2013, 11:44:21 pm
English: The Dark Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_(series))English: the kleptomaniac language.English: Doin' itWe're climbing in your thesauruseswrongright since the 5th Century.
Snatching your prefixes up
Trying to English them
So hide your nouns
Hide your verbs
And hide your adjectives because we stealing all the words up in here
Post by: Devling on June 22, 2013, 12:03:40 am
Post by: Neonivek on June 22, 2013, 12:07:50 am
If English were a person, he would come into your house, steal all you knick-knacks, break them, and then invite you over so he could pick your pockets.
I have to admit that was pretty stupid.
I don't even know what the heck the person is referring to... Is it a reference to how English is a quickly growing language that is "destroying" the heritage of long standing countries.
Post by: ggamer on June 22, 2013, 12:11:57 am
Post by: Xantalos on June 22, 2013, 12:59:33 am
Post by: SealyStar on June 22, 2013, 12:51:17 pm
Yup. Basically being part of an oppressed minority does preclude one from being prejudiced against other oppressed minorities. Logically you'd think people would see parallels, but they don't always.So irregardless, I think sexism is a much nicer and more inclusive term for a non-nice, non-inclusive thing. Frankly, I haven't even heard transphobia that often, that seems to get lumped in with homophobia all the time. Which kinda makes sense I guess since from a homophobic point of view (that should cover the vast majority of cases), transphobia basically is homophobia. (I'm not aware of homosexual people disliking transsexual people)It's a problem.
A not-insignificant number of the LGBT community want to remove the "T." Some want to remove the "B" too, and others still want to separate the "L" and "G." Fortunately most people realize the need for cohesion and understanding, so schisms are usually small.
Eh, I for one am both straight and cisgender (I hate that word btw), so my opinion might not be entirely relevant, but I will openly admit that I am much more comfortable with homo- and bisexuality than I am with transsexualism.
I'm not denying the existence of transsexuals, nor do I believe in discriminating against them... but I am much more inclined to believe that a man can be attracted to another man than that a man can think he's female. Again, I'm probably still more progressive on this than most people I know, but I honestly do think that comparing gender identity with sexual orientation as "LGBT" does is flawed on some level.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 22, 2013, 12:58:44 pm
Next, being transgender is just a medical condition and it's baffling that anyone would have any problem with it. The mind and body's gender doesn't match and the body's changed to correspond. It's not really that difficult to comprehend.
As for its association with the sexual orientation community, mainly they band together since the prejudice is extremely similar. In reality, the problem that everything else stems from is enforcing gender roles and norms. Going outside what's "normal" for your gender results in hate, for whatever reason, and thus both groups get similar discrimination. That's why they banded together.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 22, 2013, 01:12:35 pm
"Cisgender" is just an easy term for "the opposite of transgender." If someone's using it as an insult or something, they're a moron. I don't see why you'd have any distaste for the term. It's a necessary term for the same reason "heterosexual" is a necessary term.You could argue that all of these terms seem too clinical for colloquial use.
Post by: Xantalos on June 22, 2013, 05:38:15 pm
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Post by: Graknorke on June 22, 2013, 07:27:25 pm
Next, being transgender is just a medical condition and it's baffling that anyone would have any problem with it. The mind and body's gender doesn't match and the body's changed to correspond. It's not really that difficult to comprehend.I actually do have a problem understanding it, mainly
mind [...] genderBecause at least from where I'm standing there is no inherent male-ness or female-ness that is ingrained in a person's mind.
Pretty much the only way I can rationalise it is that it's actually to do with changing identity in order to not break societal expectations of what men and women act like.
Post by: XXSockXX on June 22, 2013, 09:47:22 pm
Actually describing transgender as a medical condition seems a bit limited to me. The are transvestites (which is not really the same, except in public perception), some of them are heterosexual men (that was a popular comedic act once, imagine "a man in women's clothing" - hilarious), many are gay men (the whole drag queen thing). Then there are a variety of genetic mutations that lead to people being born with both male and female genitalia (functionality varies). These people often get sex change surgery at infant age and might later disagree with the choice that was made. Then there are people who are physiologically one gender, but feel as another. That is the part you probably don't understand. Now I can't say I really understand it either, but it is obviously a thing, and by far one of the least harmful psychological identity problems you can have. I mean there are people who are convinced they have too many limbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_identity_disorder).Next, being transgender is just a medical condition and it's baffling that anyone would have any problem with it. The mind and body's gender doesn't match and the body's changed to correspond. It's not really that difficult to comprehend.I actually do have a problem understanding it, mainly
Because at least from where I'm standing there is no inherent male-ness or female-ness that is ingrained in a person's mind.Now that's the part I don't get. I am certainly not a manly man walking cliche of a guy, but I am absolutely conviced that a non-trivial part of my personal identity is built upon being male, not only the cultural/social construct part of that, also the biological one. How you don't see gender as a part of yourself, I really don't get that.
Post by: GuesssWho on June 22, 2013, 09:55:23 pm
It is perfectly possible to be disgusted by the opposite sex--I think men look like they have a leech and a couple of tumors on their crotch, honestly. If I was male I might have tried to castrate myself because HORRIBLE FLESH SACS!
Post by: Xantalos on June 22, 2013, 09:58:30 pm
Haven't you heard? English is a language that lurks in dark alleys, beats up other languages, and rifles through their pockets for spare vocabulary.The organ is inconvenient at best and actively harmful to your social relationships at worst.
It is perfectly possible to be disgusted by the opposite sex--I think men look like they have a leech and a couple of tumors on their crotch, honestly. If I was male I might have tried to castrate myself because HORRIBLE FLESH SACS!
Post by: Vector on June 22, 2013, 10:00:02 pm
How you don't see gender as a part of yourself, I really don't get that.
It's really a way less important thing to my identity than Doctrine: flexibility and Passion: structure (subtype: symmetry). If you're trying to guess how I'll react to something, 99% of the time you'll get a better answer from the above two than whether I'm male or female.
Post by: Pnx on June 22, 2013, 10:25:51 pm
Personally I have a bit of trouble wrapping my head around how people can feel that their gender is such a big deal.How you don't see gender as a part of yourself, I really don't get that.
It's really a way less important thing to my identity than Doctrine: flexibility and Passion: structure (subtype: symmetry). If you're trying to guess how I'll react to something, 99% of the time you'll get a better answer from the above two than whether I'm male or female.
Post by: XXSockXX on June 22, 2013, 10:31:38 pm
It is perfectly possible to be disgusted by the opposite sex--I think men look like they have a leech and a couple of tumors on their crotch, honestly. If I was male I might have tried to castrate myself because HORRIBLE FLESH SACS!I sometimes say to my girlfriend that I don't get how anybody could be attracted to a male body, when things like the female body exist. She always agrees. She still seems to like me I guess.
It's really a way less important thing to my identity than Doctrine: flexibility and Passion: structure (subtype: symmetry). If you're trying to guess how I'll react to something, 99% of the time you'll get a better answer from the above two than whether I'm male or female.I don't know how important it is, but it is definitely a part of one's identity. How you react to something has nothing to do with it. In fact my girlfriend tells me I attribute (in the psychological sense) like a female, while she attributes like a male, ie she attributes sucess as her own achievement while I tend to attribute sucess to outside factors such as luck. There is way more than that, how your self-concept ultimately contains some gender-related things. The cultural/socially-generated ones are relatively easy to recognize. But there definitely are some biological ones, mostly related to sexuality and basic psychological behaviour.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 22, 2013, 10:58:24 pm
Everyone wants to express their identity; it's who we are and what we define ourselves by. Gender is included in that for most people (not all though). For transgender folk, living as and being seen as the gender they identify as is a huge boost to happiness and overall mental health. And except for a few biological processes and physical attributes, identity is the sole meaningful difference between the sexes anyway. Identity is what defines what someone "really" is, and except for making babies there's no real other reason to distinguish between trans and cis (someday, with advancing medical knowledge, we'll be able to fix that too).
Post by: Devling on June 22, 2013, 11:00:08 pm
It is perfectly possible to be disgusted by the opposite sex--I think men look like they have a leech and a couple of tumors on their crotch, honestly. If I was male I might have tried to castrate myself because HORRIBLE FLESH SACS!To be fair, as a guy, lady nether regions don't appear to great either.
Post by: Flying Dice on June 22, 2013, 11:01:09 pm
It's really bizarre being around people who see others first in the context of their gender, but the important thing to remember is that a lot of people do think like that. As for me, people are people are people. Doesn't matter what they look like, what parts they have, who they're attracted to, or even if they're human. If you're sapient and sentient, you're people in my book.Personally I have a bit of trouble wrapping my head around how people can feel that their gender is such a big deal.How you don't see gender as a part of yourself, I really don't get that.
It's really a way less important thing to my identity than Doctrine: flexibility and Passion: structure (subtype: symmetry). If you're trying to guess how I'll react to something, 99% of the time you'll get a better answer from the above two than whether I'm male or female.
Post by: Vector on June 22, 2013, 11:10:01 pm
I don't know how important it is, but it is definitely a part of one's identity. How you react to something has nothing to do with it. In fact my girlfriend tells me I attribute (in the psychological sense) like a female, while she attributes like a male, ie she attributes sucess as her own achievement while I tend to attribute sucess to outside factors such as luck. There is way more than that, how your self-concept ultimately contains some gender-related things. The cultural/socially-generated ones are relatively easy to recognize. But there definitely are some biological ones, mostly related to sexuality and basic psychological behaviour.
Maybe your identity. You're talking about attribution: that is a reaction.
Like I just said, knowing my aesthetics is the most fundamental thing about me. Knowing that I have certain biological parts will get you nowhere. Trying to flip over into "okay, Vector must be male then because she's very aggressive and attributes success to hard work" will also get you nowhere. I am not best explained through gender; I am barely, if at all, explained thus.
Post by: Putnam on June 22, 2013, 11:14:50 pm
It's really a way less important thing to my identity than Doctrine: flexibility and Passion: structure (subtype: symmetry). If you're trying to guess how I'll react to something, 99% of the time you'll get a better answer from the above two than whether I'm male or female.I don't know how important it is, but it is definitely a part of one's identity. How you react to something has nothing to do with it. In fact my girlfriend tells me I attribute (in the psychological sense) like a female, while she attributes like a male, ie she attributes sucess as her own achievement while I tend to attribute sucess to outside factors such as luck. There is way more than that, how your self-concept ultimately contains some gender-related things. The cultural/socially-generated ones are relatively easy to recognize. But there definitely are some biological ones, mostly related to sexuality and basic psychological behaviour.
I don't see how that's related so much to gender as self-esteem.
Post by: XXSockXX on June 22, 2013, 11:28:26 pm
It's really bizarre being around people who see others first in the context of their gender, but the important thing to remember is that a lot of people do think like that. As for me, people are people are people. Doesn't matter what they look like, what parts they have, who they're attracted to, or even if they're human. If you're sapient and sentient, you're people in my book.So you are saying that, if you meet someone in person, your reaction is not at all inflenced by how you perceive them gender-wise? I mean everybody is people to me too, but I'm sure there is at least subconsciously a threat-level/competition check for other males and some kind of attraction-check for females when I meet someone. On a subconscious level you can hardly avoid these things.
Maybe your identity. You're talking about attribution: that is a reaction.Yes, and I said reaction does not matter. And I didn't say that gender is the most fundamental part of self-conception, just a part of it. Individuality takes precedence over gender all the time, and gender is hardly ever the best way to explain a person. I don't think you can fully deny gender being part of your identity though, simply on the grounds that you cannot know or even realistically imagine what it would be like if you were of the opposite gender.
Like I just said, knowing my aesthetics is the most fundamental thing about me. Knowing that I have certain biological parts will get you nowhere. Trying to flip over into "okay, Vector must be male then because she's very aggressive and attributes success to hard work" will also get you nowhere. I am not best explained through gender; I am barely, if at all, explained thus.
Post by: GuesssWho on June 22, 2013, 11:34:27 pm
Men are soulless macho violent twits and women are mindless weak sex toys, and men especially are taught that showing any trait that isn't one arbitrarily assigned to them is worth commiting suicide over. In sane reality everyone has potential for every human trait. Hating and fearing half of your soul is not a good thing.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 22, 2013, 11:39:47 pm
Most of our culturally-based gender ideas are frankly scary. I think someone was experimenting with psychological warfare or something, because our gender baggage is so crippling it's hard to imagine it being an accident.Heyo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra).
Post by: GuesssWho on June 22, 2013, 11:45:42 pm
Post by: XXSockXX on June 23, 2013, 12:14:39 am
I don't see how that's related so much to gender as self-esteem.Because according to some psycholgists you do built self-esteem differentely according to your gender. That seems a pretty old-fashioned idea though, just like "girls are bad at math" which clearly is bullshit.
In sane reality everyone has potential for every human trait. Hating and fearing half of your soul is not a good thing.Yes. But I think your own subconcious perception of the world is to a degree shaped by your gender. And you can't even really know it, because it ultimately is too distant to imagine it realistically.
Post by: Devling on June 23, 2013, 12:17:37 am
And guys and gals have different chemicals produced, so guys and gals are different both physically and psychologically.
(though usually in ways we might not associate with man or women)
Post by: Vector on June 23, 2013, 12:20:52 am
I mean everybody is people to me too, but I'm sure there is at least subconsciously a threat-level/competition check for other males and some kind of attraction-check for females when I meet someone. On a subconscious level you can hardly avoid these things.
Everyone gets a threat-check, and everyone gets an attraction-check.
And guys and gals have different chemicals produced, so guys and gals are different both physically and psychologically.
I dunno, am I disqualified from femalehood for having unusually high levels of prenatal testosterone?
Post by: Devling on June 23, 2013, 12:24:32 am
No? I don't know how my statement implies it does.And guys and gals have different chemicals produced, so guys and gals are different both physically and psychologically.I dunno, am I disqualified from femalehood for having unusually high levels of prenatal testosterone?
Post by: Vector on June 23, 2013, 12:27:14 am
Post by: Devling on June 23, 2013, 12:31:41 am
What I'm trying to say is that "men and women are different because they produce different hormones" is sort of weird. A transgendered person can still be female while producing "male" hormones. Those hormones are not what determines their femininity.It's true though. Physically female and male people make female and male hormones. (except for people that are physically neither gender) A transgender person rejects their physical sex, so while they are mentally and socially the gender of their choosing they are still physically the gender they were assigned at birth, and produce those kinds of chemicals.
I don't know if that's insensitive or rantey.
Post by: Ogdibus on June 23, 2013, 12:36:22 am
Post by: XXSockXX on June 23, 2013, 12:39:57 am
I take it that no one here knows what "genderfluid" is?I don't.
I definitely have to give you that point. Attraction is sexual orientation based only and in theory everbody needs to be threat-checked to guarantee ideal survival circumstances (women can be much more subtile and more deadly competition).I mean everybody is people to me too, but I'm sure there is at least subconsciously a threat-level/competition check for other males and some kind of attraction-check for females when I meet someone. On a subconscious level you can hardly avoid these things.
Everyone gets a threat-check, and everyone gets an attraction-check.
Still I feel unable to fully imagine myself as a woman, so I guess a certain barrier does exist between genders, even if we can't easily describe it. We are chemically and physiologically different (though at least the chemicals seem to even out at a certain age). And you really can't compare the sexuality, that is more similar than what cultural cliches tell us, yet still fundamentally different, just for physiological reasons (and probably genetic programming too).
Post by: Vector on June 23, 2013, 12:44:09 am
"You really can't compare the sexuality?" What in the heck are you talking about?
Post by: Ogdibus on June 23, 2013, 12:46:35 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 23, 2013, 12:47:46 am
No, a certain barrier exists between you and femalehood.What defines being a man or woman?
Post by: Vector on June 23, 2013, 12:48:43 am
Post by: XXSockXX on June 23, 2013, 01:15:28 am
No, a certain barrier exists between you and femalehood.Ehm, first of all sexual organs, that work very differently and I suppose feel very differently (which is the kind of thing you can never really know).
"You really can't compare the sexuality?" What in the heck are you talking about?
Then sexual behaviour where males are on average much less risk-averse (which I believe partially has cultural reasons, but also a simple biological one, men can't get pregnant.)
Post by: Putnam on June 23, 2013, 01:17:35 am
Post by: XXSockXX on June 23, 2013, 01:24:31 am
That's not really a biological reason, since mens' genetic code won't get passed before they have children just the same as women if they die.Well, on a stupid ape level of thinking - males don't have to worry about impregnating someone, they can just leave. Females however have to worry that they may be left with a child uncared for. That's why many animals develop some sort of social structures.
Post by: Putnam on June 23, 2013, 01:25:33 am
Post by: Devling on June 23, 2013, 01:26:56 am
And what says that children must be cared for by women as opposed to men?The fact that women are saddled with a baby for 9 months, while men can just go and find another girl.
That's why we have social responsibility and pressure to, you know, raise your kids and stuff.
Post by: XXSockXX on June 23, 2013, 01:30:33 am
And what says that children must be cared for by women as opposed to men?In mammals - nutrition in the first months at least. The rest is negotiable obviously, as many animals demonstrate. However there is also attachment to children that females exhibit more than males, after all a female can always tell that a child is hers, while males cannot. (I'm still talking about animals of course, but I think some of these instincts remain intact in human primates.)
To make it more specific about humans: no female has ever heard the words "I hope it's yours".
Post by: Vector on June 23, 2013, 01:57:35 am
Post by: XXSockXX on June 23, 2013, 02:13:48 am
Yeah, let's elide those transgender people again...Actually this debate somehow started with someone thinking that transgender was just a way to circumvent social expectations, because there was no psychological difference between genders. Which I answered by saying that I think there is one.
So we were not eliding (had to look that up in a dictionary) transgender people...
Post by: Xantalos on June 23, 2013, 02:45:28 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 23, 2013, 03:12:46 am
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elideYou'd think the stupid thread wouldn't see such multifarious vocabulary.
Post by: Putnam on June 23, 2013, 03:17:04 am
POLYSYLLABLES!
Post by: Oliolli on June 23, 2013, 05:50:45 am
Attraction is sexual orientation based only...
So romantic asexuals don't exist?
BRB, rethinking my identity.
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 23, 2013, 05:22:13 pm
Bay12, you're being smart in the stupid thread again.This is how Bay 12 holds a flame war.
With civil discourse and premeditated facts (usually not involving ones Female ancestry)
Yeah, let's elide those transgender people again...This phrase made me wonder: Are we considering Transgenders to change Sex or Gender? Basically, is a MtF Trans identify as a Female or as a girl?
For me it's obviously as a girl since Sex is defined by what, if anything, is hanging between your legs and Gender is a internal concept of self but some people may have different opinions or have never heard of the difference before.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2013, 05:42:29 pm
This phrase made me wonder: Are we considering Transgenders to change Sex or Gender? Basically, is a MtF Trans identify as a Female or as a girl?"Female" and "girl" are equivalent synonyms as far as I know.
For me it's obviously as a girl since Sex is defined by what, if anything, is hanging between your legs and Gender is a internal concept of self but some people may have different opinions or have never heard of the difference before.
Anywho the standard definitions are as you say:
Gender: Mental identity.
Sex: Physical attributes.
A "transgender" person rejects the gender they're assigned to by others and exhibits the one they actually are.
A "transsexual" person is someone who's got the sex reassignment surgery and thus has the physical traits match up with their gender (where possible).
Post by: Devling on June 23, 2013, 05:43:58 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 23, 2013, 05:52:05 pm
"I’ve spent the last few days trying to apologize to people I hurt. I’ve been doing it via email and I’ve given out my phone number a lot. I realize I was wrong and I’m genuinely sorry. I also realize I can’t possibly apologize on the phone to each and every person I hurt. I’m going to keep trying, but I’ve also decided to personally make a donation to the Trevor Project of $20,000.00. I also plan to keep interacting with people on a personal level and I understand that will be an ongoing process. In the meantime I’m hoping this donation will do some real good for a group that desperately needs it.
-Gabe"
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2013, 05:56:25 pm
Like I said, he wasn't a bigot, just ignorant. And has now been educated.
I'm happy this discourse happened. It probably brought the issue to a lot of people's attention who were also ignorant.
Cheers to Mr. Krahulik.
Post by: SealyStar on June 23, 2013, 06:49:05 pm
Link so ya'll know the above is genuine (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/06/21/going-one-step-further)
Like I said, he wasn't a bigot, just ignorant. And has now been educated.
I'm happy this discourse happened. It probably brought the issue to a lot of people's attention who were also ignorant.
Cheers to Mr. Krahulik.
What did he do that offended people?
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 23, 2013, 06:54:36 pm
I generally don't talk about internet celebrities and their gaffs, but I felt this one interesting enough to point out:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/06/21/well-that-escalated-quickly
I do not believe Mr. Krahulik is a bigot, just ignorant. When someone says something as monumentally stupid as "[only] women have vaginas and [only] men have a penis" they're either ignorant or transphobic. There's no real room for anything else. Mr. Krahulik does not really strike me as transphobic so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and just assume he's ignorant.
People did jump on him with righteous fury a little too quickly before he made that statement, but perhaps it turned out okay since it brought the issue to light. More people need to know that what you have between your legs is not necessarily indicative of your gender. A game about female masturbation can certainly only include vaginas; I'm on Mr. Krahulik's side there. But other women exist.
Also, I should note that that post is probably one of the closest to an apology the guy has ever given. Aside from that one time he plagiarized someone's drawing of rocks, I don't think he's ever made such a... regretful? post.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2013, 06:57:49 pm
Of course, that's not the actual quote, depending on the exact wording and context I think it could range from malicious to really... Understandable.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2013, 07:00:43 pm
Read both of his posts here (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/06/21) ("Well that escalated quickly", and "Going one step further") to get a better idea as to the situation.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2013, 07:03:56 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2013, 07:10:44 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 23, 2013, 07:15:55 pm
(I'm not aware of homosexual people disliking transsexual people).
It doesn't get much press outside of LGBT groups, but there are all sorts of things. Like lesbian meetups and things disallowing trans women but allowing trans men to come in. And sexually, most gay men won't touch any trans people while lesbians tend to claim both trans men and women. There are a lot of issues.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2013, 07:16:38 pm
That's... not what we're talking about. He did get a flood of hate mail for that and no one's faulting him for being pissed. They're faulting him (and he's apologizing for) what he said afterward.Alright well in the information you provided (which I did read previously, but have read again to make sure) He mentions two more things about that incident.
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I said again that if they have a different opinion they are welcome to submit their own panel.
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I said if you use the word “cis” don’t bother tweeting me.
Additionally on the day this was uploaded I went and checked his twitter and it had a few more examples in the same vein.
Is that what you mean? Because after that, he talks about what I said a few posts ago.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2013, 07:24:18 pm
The game and the backlash from that panel are both Things that Happened that contributed to Mr. Krahulik making some gaffes relating to trans people which he is now apologizing for. This discussion was/is about his gaffes and about some questions people had about transgender issues. If you want specific gaffes, here's one:
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I said I think a game about female masturbation that only has vaginas made sense because women have vaginas and men have a penis.(it was followed pretty much immediately by an apology, at least in his post)
Not totally sure if I'm answering what you want.
Post by: Xantalos on June 23, 2013, 07:32:57 pm
THEREFORE I WILL POST SOMETHING STUPID
I ONCE BELIEVED THAT THERE WERE NO DIFFERENCES IN SKIN COLOR IN THE WORLD
Post by: LordSlowpoke on June 23, 2013, 07:35:58 pm
THIS IS THE STUPID THREAD
THEREFORE I WILL POST SOMETHING STUPID
I ONCE BELIEVED THAT THERE WERE NO DIFFERENCES IN SKIN COLOR IN THE WORLD
i am not sure in which way this is stupid
this could be surprisingly profound if interpreted in the manner i interpreted it at first
stop sneaking wisdom inside your stupidity you're messing with my miiiiiiind
Post by: Xantalos on June 23, 2013, 07:39:16 pm
See, it's actually really wierd because I knew at least 7 Indian kids in my school and I couldn't tell that they weren't white people.THIS IS THE STUPID THREAD
THEREFORE I WILL POST SOMETHING STUPID
I ONCE BELIEVED THAT THERE WERE NO DIFFERENCES IN SKIN COLOR IN THE WORLD
i am not sure in which way this is stupid
this could be surprisingly profound if interpreted in the manner i interpreted it at first
stop sneaking wisdom inside your stupidity you're messing with my miiiiiiind
Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2013, 07:40:40 pm
I've lost track of what we're actually trying to resolve hereThe root of what I am trying to get across, is this.
I do not believe Mr. Krahulik is a bigot, just ignorant. When someone says something as monumentally stupid as "[only] women have vaginas and [only] men have a penis" they're either ignorant or transphobic. There's no real room for anything else. Mr. Krahulik does not really strike me as transphobic so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and just assume he's ignorant.
The bolded parts are things you added to the quote, he did not say that. And there is a huge difference between saying only and not saying only. The italicized parts are where I believe you are sorta wrong.
It's the difference between maliciousness/massive stupidity and a seriously understandable mistake. But, the information given in this thread and that I have found though light searching does not show what it was.
Your post leaves no alternative, he is ignorant, or he is malicious. And quite frankly, eliminating any other possible interpretation you have left out or bent the truth.
That is what I have a issue with, of course, by the time I actually read your post, it was already quite a bit past the point where I could bring myself to care. But then it was brought back up again by someone else as the truth. Which I objected to.
Not totally sure if I'm answering what you want.
I don't so much want anything from you in particular so much to present a alternative viewpoint that was eliminated from this thread by falsehoods instead of truths.
Post by: Putnam on June 23, 2013, 07:44:13 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 23, 2013, 07:47:56 pm
How the...See, it's actually really wierd because I knew at least 7 Indian kids in my school and I couldn't tell that they weren't white people.THIS IS THE STUPID THREAD
THEREFORE I WILL POST SOMETHING STUPID
I ONCE BELIEVED THAT THERE WERE NO DIFFERENCES IN SKIN COLOR IN THE WORLD
i am not sure in which way this is stupid
this could be surprisingly profound if interpreted in the manner i interpreted it at first
stop sneaking wisdom inside your stupidity you're messing with my miiiiiiind
Post by: frostshotgg on June 23, 2013, 08:16:43 pm
He's admitted he was ignorant and the [only]s in there were definitely implied...Like hell they were. If you don't add the 'only's then suddenly he's neither malicious nor ignorant. He's stating a fact. "People who are physically [sex] have [penises/vaginas]". If they don't, then they aren't. A game about female masturbation has to have vaginas.
Post by: Xantalos on June 23, 2013, 08:25:21 pm
No idea.How the...See, it's actually really wierd because I knew at least 7 Indian kids in my school and I couldn't tell that they weren't white people.THIS IS THE STUPID THREAD
THEREFORE I WILL POST SOMETHING STUPID
I ONCE BELIEVED THAT THERE WERE NO DIFFERENCES IN SKIN COLOR IN THE WORLD
i am not sure in which way this is stupid
this could be surprisingly profound if interpreted in the manner i interpreted it at first
stop sneaking wisdom inside your stupidity you're messing with my miiiiiiind
Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2013, 08:28:23 pm
He's stating a fact.Well, it's not a fact. That's the whole point of the outcry. What it is is a understandable and fairly forgivable mistake.
Or fuck. Maliciousness.
Or Massive stupidity.
Post by: Gamerlord on June 23, 2013, 08:35:31 pm
Gotta agree with frostshotgg here.He's admitted he was ignorant and the [only]s in there were definitely implied...Like hell they were. If you don't add the 'only's then suddenly he's neither malicious nor ignorant. He's stating a fact. "People who are physically [sex] have [penises/vaginas]". If they don't, then they aren't. A game about female masturbation has to have vaginas.
Post by: frostshotgg on June 23, 2013, 08:43:03 pm
And there's the problem. It IS a fact, as long as you don't read it with only in front of vaginas, there's nothing wrong. A trans person could have a penis as well, but in order to be considered of the female sex, there has to be a vagina.He's stating a fact.Well, it's not a fact. That's the whole point of the outcry.
Post by: Xantalos on June 23, 2013, 08:43:47 pm
HO HO HO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SUoi_9asBU)
Post by: kaijyuu on June 23, 2013, 08:49:24 pm
If you have a problem with that specific example and how I worded it, I'll retract it and just point to how the dude is apologizing. If he never said anything unintentionally transphobic he sure as hell wouldn't be apologizing.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2013, 08:52:27 pm
And there's the problem. It IS a fact, as long as you don't read it with only in front of vaginas, there's nothing wrong. A trans person could have a penis as well, but in order to be considered of the female sex, there has to be a vagina.Well I mean, it depends how you define gender, I mean yes I define myself by my body, but others don't in the end the it's not particularly less valid.
So no. At the very least, it's not a fact.
Post by: Flying Dice on June 23, 2013, 09:03:14 pm
In the context of his initial statement at the panel there really wasn't a problem. Gabe's intended meaning was pretty clear (even if he didn't recognize at the time that there was any sort of distinction being made), given the context; gender is unrelated to biological characteristics, while sex is solely defined by them. The game in question was about female masturbation, therefore his statement obviously refers to the female sex. I can't speak as to anything that came after that, but it sounds like people jumped down his throat because they thought that he said something that offended them and didn't bother to actually parse the meaning or context of what he was saying.
My $0.02.
Post by: Putnam on June 23, 2013, 09:06:38 pm
And there's the problem. It IS a fact, as long as you don't read it with only in front of vaginas, there's nothing wrong. A trans person could have a penis as well, but in order to be considered of the female sex, there has to be a vagina.He's stating a fact.Well, it's not a fact. That's the whole point of the outcry.
"Women" is a word referring to those of the feminine gender, as far as I know, not of the female sex.
Post by: Flying Dice on June 23, 2013, 09:09:09 pm
That, or just stop caring about what other people think.
Post by: Xantalos on June 23, 2013, 09:10:13 pm
The lesson to be learned is that we shouldn't talk at all. If you don't carefully examine every work you speak before it leaves your mouth someone will go apeshit on you for one reason or another. If you do, you'll be ridiculed for being precise.LOLNUBPOTATOINTERNETAPESHITTING
Just kidding.
Post by: Putnam on June 23, 2013, 09:10:46 pm
work you speak
HEY YOU MESSED UP WITH THAT U R DUM
EDIT: dammit xantalos you beat me to the joke
Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2013, 09:14:21 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on June 23, 2013, 09:16:24 pm
Let's all get in our hugbox and annoy some more people.
Post by: frostshotgg on June 23, 2013, 09:39:12 pm
Okay, this is being dumb. I was trying my best to avoid this entire conversation, because I'm biased against the entire stupid-ass tumblr social justice shit, but this. This is just being dumb."Women" is a word referring to those of the feminine gender, as far as I know, not of the female sex.And there's the problem. It IS a fact, as long as you don't read it with only in front of vaginas, there's nothing wrong. A trans person could have a penis as well, but in order to be considered of the female sex, there has to be a vagina.He's stating a fact.Well, it's not a fact. That's the whole point of the outcry.
Fine, you want to play semantics?
wom·an Noun /ˈwo͝omən/
Synonyms:
noun: womankind, womenfolk, womanhood
women plural
An adult human female
A female worker or employee
A wife, girlfriend, or lover
he wondered whether Billy had his woman with him
A female person associated with a particular place, activity, or occupation
a young American woman
Female adults in general
woman is intuitive
A female paid to clean someone's house and carry out general domestic duties
A peremptory form of address to a woman
don't be daft, woman
Notice how every definition except the one about wife/girlfriend/lover specifies female. Not feminine, but female. Gabe's meaning with that statement was clear, it's people who want to read into it and shove words into his mouth that made it anything but an absolute fact.
Fine, if you want to create reasons, not even hunt for, but outright fabricate reasons to hate on someone.
"Women" is a word referring to those of the feminine gender, as far as I know, not of the female sex.You're being a part of the oppressive game of patriarchy by spelling it Women instead of Womyn.
Post by: ggamer on June 24, 2013, 12:29:06 am
I've actually thought and prayed alot about the whole LGBT issue. And I can say with upmost certainty that I have no gobbing clue what this shit's all about. Some part of me just wants to go "Damn that's a bunch of shit girls can't have dicks" and then the logical part of my brain kicks in and it's like "Hey asshole, shut the hell up, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't a thing."
So, my whole stance on this issue is a resounding shrug. As a person i'll happily treat any LGBT person normally, and as a christian i'll tolerate them because god knows i'm not smart enough for this.
On a happier note:
HO HO HO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SUoi_9asBU)
THEYS ALIENS
THEYS ALIENS OUT HERE
Post by: Hanslanda on June 24, 2013, 12:48:25 am
Post by: Scelly9 on June 24, 2013, 12:49:22 am
I treat everyone with a modicum of respect and give them a chance to show me how neat they are, until or unless they act like an asshole.This is a really good philosophy.
Post by: Devling on June 24, 2013, 12:51:54 am
This is pretty much the best philosophy.I treat everyone with a modicum of respect and give them a chance to show me how neat they are, until or unless they act like an asshole.This is a really good philosophy.
Post by: Hanslanda on June 24, 2013, 01:12:16 am
[/obligatory hypocritical statement to make self look like asshole]
Post by: Oliolli on June 24, 2013, 04:43:34 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 24, 2013, 04:59:22 am
If they're the types of fundies who try to shove their faith down everyone's throat, whether the others are interested or not, they are assholes in my book and thus it is OK not to treat them with respect.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: hops on June 24, 2013, 05:57:18 am
Weirder is that this was said on 4chan's /hm/ board after a guy sparked a discussion about gay sex in lucid dreams.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 24, 2013, 06:06:22 am
"I am a superior being. Your primitive mind can not begin to grasp what it is like to be a god"They've been hanging around /fit/ haven't they.
Weirder is that this was said on 4chan's /hm/ board after a guy sparked a discussion about gay sex in lucid dreams.
Post by: SealyStar on June 24, 2013, 08:16:06 am
Quote from: Gabe
I said if you use the word “cis” don’t bother tweeting me.
To some people, that probably belongs here as "stupid". That's what I feel like sometimes, though.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on June 24, 2013, 09:09:39 am
I personally think that the community of people who regularly use "cis" is as far as I know about them, to be really blunt, a bunch of circle-jerking attention whores. To be less blunt, they are collectively enabling each other to stick their non-privileges up everyone's faces and flip out under any sort of discrimination, even if most of it is unintentional or even reasonable (as in the Penny Arcade incident). I guess some of them are worse off in life because of their cisness or transness or whatever, but I will not undertake any more-than-minor efforts to support them. Example: Under no circumstances would I begin my speeches with "Ladies, gentlemen, third-gender, genderfluid, ambisexual, etc... (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=114094.msg4337975#msg4337975)". Checking my privileges is not a thing I see much reason to do.Quote from: GabeI said if you use the word “cis” don’t bother tweeting me.
To some people, that probably belongs here as "stupid". That's what I feel like sometimes, though.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 24, 2013, 10:22:08 am
My best guess is you're saying you should be able to call people whatever you want and they shouldn't be offended, which of course is ridiculous. I'm hoping I'm wrong, though.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 24, 2013, 10:49:27 am
I'm trying to parse what you said there Magma and I've determined I have no idea what you mean when you say "privileges." Define, please?The lands of tumblrjerk offs are fraught with the repeated mantra of 'check your privilege,' and your worth as an individual is based on how unprivileged you are. So a trans-ablist, third-gender, other-spirit, homosexual, obese trans-homo erectus is the most valuable person alive, or at the very least, extinct.
Everyone else can go check their privilege, as "everyone" knows the quality of your life is determined by a points based system of your most superficial features.
Most of the internet is critical of 'check your privilege' being an 'orrible thing to base a social movement on, as it is used to silence criticism without thought or reason and reduces humanity to a video-game level of simple stats based on your adjectives. And they're pretty much the total opposite of politically incorrect, in that instead of spitting on all taboos and ingrained cultural respect, they uphold totalitarian political correctness to the point where they say homophobia is an attack on straight women and feel it is acceptable to run people over for giving you weird looks.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
...They do.
Post by: Graknorke on June 24, 2013, 10:55:30 am
EDIT: Found it. (https://twitter.com/TumblrTXT)
The guy who runs the twitter sometimes acts more offensive than I would like but still does a good job at picking out crazy.
DOUBLEDIT: Relevant to discussion. (http://thisiscleanprivilege.tumblr.com/)
TRIPLEDIT: And some lightheartedness to keep things getting too serious. (http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/short%20privilege)
Post by: MagmaMcFry on June 24, 2013, 11:39:24 am
I'm trying to parse what you said there Magma and I've determined I have no idea what you mean when you say "privileges." Define, please?Well, as far as I know about these people (is there a common name for them?), they refer to a "privilege" as "a physical/mental/emotional property which is accepted in general, bigoted, society and does not, directly or indirectly, lower your ability to achieve whatever you want". Commonly stated "privileges" include "not being fat", "not being disabled", "not being stupid", "not being single", "not being ugly", "not being (most of the items on this list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=114094.msg4337975#msg4337975))", and so forth, which means people like you and me have a damn lot of privileges.
"Check your privileges" is a commonly used term there, and it means something like "You should not take your privileges for granted". It is used when a "cis"-user without a specific privilege witnesses a person with that privilege use or take for granted this privilege, in a context that tries to make the privileged person feel personally responsible for the privilege difference. My guess is that they feel envious a lot, and need to vent this pent-up jealousy in personal attacks, then rationalize that by randomly appending "#social #injustice #oppression" to their thoughts and then thinking about something else instead of realizing that they're being horribly irrational.
Gabe from Penny Arcade for example "took for granted" that all "women" have vaginas, and suddenly a crapload of "women" without vaginas (as in "people with a female 'consciousness'") got butthurt about that and decided to spam him with hate, which was IMO entirely unjustified, since "women" can generally also refer to "people with vaginas", and "The Women's Guide To Masturbation" is a context in which anyone can see that "women" here has the second meaning, except those people who have made it a habit to get offended at anything, even if they have to pedantically misrepresent stuff for that purpose. Even with the first meaning, "The Women's Guide To Masturbation" still sounds better than "The People-With-Physically-Existing-Functional-And-Stimulatable-Female-Human-Sexual-Organs-And-The-Ability-To-Erotically-Stimulate-Them's Guide To Masturbation".
3xEdit: With all those new words they invent, you'd think they could by now differentiate between physical females and mental females.
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My best guess is you're saying you should be able to call people whatever you want and they shouldn't be offended, which of course is ridiculous. I'm hoping I'm wrong, though.Good thing you're wrong, because that would, in fact, be ridiculous. I'm just saying they should stop being offended by whatever you say.
Edit: NINJAS
EditEdit: Oh right, it's because I took so long to post this.
Post by: penguinofhonor on June 24, 2013, 12:15:47 pm
Post by: SealyStar on June 24, 2013, 12:17:23 pm
Whenever I hear the word 'cis', I immediately think of cis/trans isomerism.
Chemists :P
I'm trying to parse what you said there Magma and I've determined I have no idea what you mean when you say "privileges." Define, please?The lands of tumblrjerk offs are fraught with the repeated mantra of 'check your privilege,' and your worth as an individual is based on how unprivileged you are. So a trans-ablist, third-gender, other-spirit, homosexual, obese trans-homo erectus is the most valuable person alive, or at the very least, extinct.
Everyone else can go check their privilege, as "everyone" knows the quality of your life is determined by a points based system of your most superficial features.
Most of the internet is critical of 'check your privilege' being an 'orrible thing to base a social movement on, as it is used to silence criticism without thought or reason and reduces humanity to a video-game level of simple stats based on your adjectives. And they're pretty much the total opposite of politically incorrect, in that instead of spitting on all taboos and ingrained cultural respect, they uphold totalitarian political correctness to the point where they say homophobia is an attack on straight women and feel it is acceptable to run people over for giving you weird looks.You don't even want to know what happens when they get NSFW. Shit actually gets crazy. You know how 'dis cis scum' isn't supposed to be taken literally?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
...They do.
And this is frighteningly correct. My favorite:
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Most of the internet is critical of 'check your privilege' being an 'orrible thing to base a social movement on, as it is used to silence criticism without thought or reason and reduces humanity to a video-game level of simple stats based on your adjectives.
Of course, there are the non-SJWs on Tumblr. But if you focus on that group you get enough material to fill multiple pages on this thread - it's come up at least thrice now just since I found this thread.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tumblr.png)
Post by: kaijyuu on June 24, 2013, 01:08:52 pm
I apologize in advance if I'm misconstruing anything anyone is saying. I'm going to soapbox for a bit, and if you think "I'm not disagreeing with that" then just assume it doesn't apply to you (because it doesn't).
Discrimination is a thing that exists. If someone is labeled "weird" or "unusual" for any reason, very likely they're going to be discriminated against. It doesn't matter if they have control over it, or even if they want themselves to conform to what others want; they will be mocked, ridiculed, and thrown out.
There isn't a standard set of "valid" reasons people might have to complain about discrimination. It's not just race, sexual orientation, etc. It's pretty much anything others might pick up on and start mocking them for. Remember that bullying doesn't end after high school; it happens among every age group, among every set of people.
Some things are, in general, less mocked than others. You're more likely to be mocked and discriminated against due to race than, say, sexual orientation or gender. Other things might still be less problematic. This does not invalidate the lesser ones though. "Other people have it worse" is a horrible fallacy used to dismiss valid problems all the time. We should probably focus on fixing the bigger problems before the lesser ones (triage our time and effort, of course), but the lesser ones are still problems.
As such, your standard "normal" person (cis white male or whatever) has the least things to worry about in this regard. That doesn't necessarily mean they have an easy life, nor does it mean they can't have problems of their own. Just that their problems aren't as likely to be a result of discrimination or prejudice (though that's still possible, of course).
Now, some problems can be overblown. Some things can be taken out of proportion. Saying something racist or transphobic is bad... maybe it's not worth exploding into rage over, though. Maybe just taking the person aside and saying "hey, that was offensive" is good enough. Realize though that something Bad still happened and needs to be resolved somehow. And also remember that excepting outright harassment the person has the right to say something offensive, just like people have a right to call them out on it.
Finally, people have a responsibility to say what they mean. I'm not advocating political correctness here; I'm advocating saying things that can't be misinterpreted as something else. If you're a homophobe, I'd much rather you say homophobic stuff bluntly than in a veiled fashion. Makes it easier to call you out on your bullshit. Accidentally saying something homophobic or racist or transphobic or whatever is a problem and the fault is on the speaker, not the listener. That's what Mr. Krahulik did wrong (and what he's apologizing for), even though it's been established he himself is not a bigot.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 24, 2013, 01:23:28 pm
Accidentally saying something homophobic or racist or transphobic or whatever is a problem and the fault is on the speaker, not the listener.
That's true, but the reaction is in the listener. And if it's not appropriate, it is something the listener has done that is wrong, and their fault.
Just something, that seems not always. Acknowledged.
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 24, 2013, 01:27:16 pm
So the new way to discredit any trans activists is to lump them in with the tumblr crazies as soon as they say the word cis? Good to know.At the very least it's probably worth bringing up that trying to defend the crazies is a bad idea, because people will do this. Much like the police defending members that do bad things results in a negative image of the police as a whole, if you want good PR you have to keep your crazies and terrible folk at arm's length. And social justice groups tend to quite a few terrible folk using it as an excuse to be dicks to folks.
And far too many are willing to rush to their defense. Because being prejudiced against doesn't make you a good person. Being treated like shit doesn't make you right. The legitimacy of your grievances has no impact on the appropriateness of your actions - many folks (both privileged and less privileged) do not understand that just because you have been wronged, this does not entitle you to do wrong. And just because the other guy is wrong, that doesn't make you right. It's made all the worse due to the number of folks who are complete assholes to the people they are supposedly fighting for - it's the Christian Missionaries all over again, going out to preach the word and save people from themselves, while having zero respect for the people they are supposedly helping. It's really just human nature, I guess - at the very least, these sort of folks, disguising their contempt and patronizing ways under a veneer of "justice" have always been with us.
In my experience doing PR work, your worst enemies are often the people on your own side who think they are trying to help.
Luckily, there are plenty of good, reasonable, and decent folk out their fighting the good fight and making progress. It's just said that so much work threatens to be undone but the idiots and assholes who seem interested in nothing so much as digging a nice deep grave for their cause.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on June 24, 2013, 01:32:53 pm
Accidentally saying something homophobic or racist or transphobic or whatever is a problem and the fault is on the speaker, not the listener.My opinion to that is that I should not have to check my statements for any hidden meanings before saying something. When confronted with one such alternate interpretation, I would clarify that this interpretation was not the one I intended my words to have, although I would feel no need to apologize.
Post by: ggamer on June 24, 2013, 01:46:05 pm
Y'know, the more I think about it, the more I think that the only places that shit like this even matters is North Florida, North Alabama, and Tumblr. Because those are the only places I can think of where I've actually witnessed people giving a shit.
I don't think I can comment on the struggles of people who actually go through these things, because I don't understand them, but I can comment on the people who feel like drawing attention to that shit is just the greatest idea ever.
TRIPLEDIT: And some lightheartedness to keep things getting too serious. (http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/short%20privilege)
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Post by: tahujdt on June 24, 2013, 02:45:43 pm
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@TumblrTXT: Do you honestly think that fat people aren’t beaten up or have ever been killed for being fat?How can you be so stupid?
Post by: Mr Space Cat on June 25, 2013, 09:48:17 pm
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It's funny because the primary visual example of their argument is from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" which was completely overdone in terms of having the peasants be "filthy" for the sake of comedy, much like the entirety of the movie being an overdone parody of Arthurian romanticized imagery of medieval times being clean and chivalrous and noble and romantic. Instead it's a nonsensical quest with half-competence in every character, including the knights and peasants, simply for luls.
They (the tumblr OP) are using an example to argue about a romanticized notion about medieval times being filthy to "reinforce notions of 'filthphobia' " when the content of the example in itself was meant to originally point fun at the notion of an overly clean and chivalrous medieval fantasy world.
Plus, reading the argument in the voice of the oppressed peasant Dennis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA) from the scene the still-image is from fits really well. Tumblr OP writes just like Dennis talks.
Post by: Devling on June 25, 2013, 09:51:00 pm
Oh god wat.
(if not than it's actually pretty funny and clever!)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on June 25, 2013, 10:01:05 pm
Post by: Devling on June 25, 2013, 10:03:36 pm
Post by: tahujdt on June 25, 2013, 10:30:41 pm
Oh, trust me, it can get a lot worse on tumblr. Just wait until you see the "cultural appropriation" folk who essentially argue for racial, religious, and cultural segregation.Not to mention the people who believe that scientists make up all that stuff about too much food making you fat because they hate fat people, or that guy we talked about a bit back who thought his parents were "blackmailing" him into taking his meds and getting a job by telling him they wouldn't support him if he didn't. He also mentioned that they should support him because he was a turtle and a five-year-old kid in past lives.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on June 25, 2013, 11:53:50 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on June 26, 2013, 03:10:21 am
Possibly even more crazy than Hollow Earth, behold Inverted Earth. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDSS5k-105M&feature=player_embedded) Relaxing voice, though.Aww, I'd hoped for a mathematical inversion of the scientific universe with isomorphically inverted laws of physics, but it looks like this is just a half-assed inversion of the hollow earth theory.
Post by: Graknorke on June 26, 2013, 05:39:00 am
Possibly even more crazy than Hollow Earth, behold Inverted Earth. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDSS5k-105M&feature=player_embedded) Relaxing voice, though.I agree with the voice thing. But...
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Confirms what we read in Genesis chapter 1I FUCKING KNEW IT.
Post by: Dutchling on June 26, 2013, 05:42:35 am
Post by: sackhead on June 26, 2013, 05:44:55 am
i am just going to leave this here...
got to love the web design
Post by: Graknorke on June 26, 2013, 05:59:31 am
http://www.truthism.com/ (http://www.truthism.com/)Reading it made me cry.
i am just going to leave this here...
got to love the web design
Spoiler: The website is at least honest in some ways (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dutchling on June 26, 2013, 06:15:51 am
Post by: Vector on June 26, 2013, 06:21:45 am
Quote from: Tumblr@TumblrTXT: Do you honestly think that fat people aren’t beaten up or have ever been killed for being fat?How can you be so stupid?
Plenty of people die because doctors assume, while diagnosing them, that their problem must have something to do with their fatness.
(Spoiler: it usually doesn't)
Post by: Steelmagic on June 26, 2013, 06:28:03 am
"Reptilians are influencing people to actively pursue CO2 reduction programmes at this time."I knew it, those scaly pieces of shit.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on June 26, 2013, 07:33:01 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 26, 2013, 07:34:56 am
Plenty of people die because doctors assume, while diagnosing them, that their problem must have something to do with their fatness.Unless your doctor is actively trying to be a malpracticed or malicious, this isn't the case. To start, even in the obese capital of the world 85%-90% of the diagnoses that obesity is causing their ailments are true. Straining your body beyond its limits IS extremely harmful, body builders and obsese alike. And secondly, there aren't many assumptions based on someone's weight, there are assumptions based on the evidence, which a lot of physicians even in America where the equipment is front of the line don't know what they should be using, and as such can often miss symptoms of serious diseases. MRI, ultrasound, x-rays, CT scans and stethoscopes all have their effectiveness reduced when they have to penetrate several layers of fat, some people cannot even fit into the scanners, physical exams become arduous tests of endurance for both patient and doctor e.t.c.
(Spoiler: it usually doesn't)
The problem does have a lot to do with their fatness. While telling people they're ok and fine when they're clearly not, look at the actual harm you are causing first. It's not a 'cultural problem' of body images, its the leading cause of death in America.
yeah, morbid obesity carries some risks, but statistics show that people slightly above the weight doctors advise tend to live longer. there is a healthy weight, it's just higher than our society expects it to beIt reduces your lifespan by up to 8 to 10 years (http://www.noo.org.uk/uploads/doc/vid_7199_Obesity_and_life_expectancy.pdf), equivalent to smoking your entire life.
Post by: Skyrunner on June 26, 2013, 07:43:27 am
Also, if you believe what that site says, why wouldn't the site be another plant by some higher-uppers? :P It merely exists to draw your attention away from the real ones in power ...http://www.truthism.com/ (http://www.truthism.com/)Reading it made me cry.
i am just going to leave this here...
got to love the web designThere are some obvious logical discrepancies though, such as there being evidence of lizard people, despite the evidence being destroyed.Spoiler: The website is at least honest in some ways (click to show/hide)
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on June 26, 2013, 07:51:53 am
acording to your link that's morbid obesityyeah, morbid obesity carries some risks, but statistics show that people slightly above the weight doctors advise tend to live longer. there is a healthy weight, it's just higher than our society expects it to beIt reduces your lifespan by up to 8 to 10 years (http://www.noo.org.uk/uploads/doc/vid_7199_Obesity_and_life_expectancy.pdf), equivalent to smoking your entire life.
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"Overall, moderate obesity (BMI 30-35 kg/m) was found to reduce life expectancy by an average of three years, while morbid obesity (BMI 40-50 kg/ kg/m) reduces life expectancy by eight to ten years."also:
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in both sexes, mortality was lowest in the upper end of the ‘healthy’ range (BMI 22.5–25 kg/m)acording to my girlfriend that's "fat", she's BMI 23 and has been trying to lose weight, and is being encouraged by doctors
Post by: frostshotgg on June 26, 2013, 07:56:23 am
Post by: Flying Dice on June 26, 2013, 08:22:19 am
I do think, however, that there's a difference between individuals with a low BMI because of habitual dieting, and those who are at their optimal weight. My BMI is at 16.8 (which is pretty far underweight), but for my frame it's a healthy build. Moreover, I essentially cannot gain or lose weight at any significant level. When I'm in a period where I'm eating heavily without much exercise I don't gain weight, and when I'm eating one meal a day and hardly noticing I don't lose weight. The closest I can get is a few pounds of muscle gained or lost when I start or stop working. This is all purely anecdotal, of course, but my father is in a similar situation and is nearly 60 without any serious health concerns (despite having been a heavy smoker most of his life, to boot), while my paternal grandfather is the same, save for being close to 90 with no issues other than arthritis.
Basically, I think that the data may be skewed by people who are dieting excessively and forcing themselves below their healthy weights, as that pretty clearly would lead to health complications. It's common sense that forcing your body to gain or lose large amounts of weight is going to put stress on it.
Post by: SealyStar on June 26, 2013, 08:25:55 am
Possibly even more crazy than Hollow Earth, behold Inverted Earth. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDSS5k-105M&feature=player_embedded) Relaxing voice, though.
I... what?
The voice is relaxing, but I think that's mostly due to the guy being high as fuck.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 26, 2013, 08:28:25 am
acording to your link that's morbid obesity "Overall, moderate obesity (BMI 30-35 kg/m) was found to reduce life expectancy by an average of three years, while morbid obesity (BMI 40-50 kg/ kg/m) reduces life expectancy by eight to ten years."
yeah, morbid obesity carries some risks, but statistics show that people slightly above the weight doctors advise tend to live longer. there is a healthy weight, it's just higher than our society expects it to be
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on June 26, 2013, 08:57:48 am
yes. i said those things.acording to your link that's morbid obesity "Overall, moderate obesity (BMI 30-35 kg/m) was found to reduce life expectancy by an average of three years, while morbid obesity (BMI 40-50 kg/ kg/m) reduces life expectancy by eight to ten years."yeah, morbid obesity carries some risks, but statistics show that people slightly above the weight doctors advise tend to live longer. there is a healthy weight, it's just higher than our society expects it to be
i didn't dispute that morbid obesity is unhealthy, i said the "healthiest" bmi is above what doctors advise. your source puts it in the higher end of the normal range(22.5 to 25) while doctors often advise people to stay in the lower normal ranges. i read that somewhere, cant retrieve the source but it matches my experience.
Post by: Graknorke on June 26, 2013, 09:13:09 am
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on June 26, 2013, 09:30:49 am
Post by: Graknorke on June 26, 2013, 09:46:19 am
not when doctors advise perfectly healthy people to lose weight and become less healthy.If that's a thing then it's a bad thing, but I've never really heard of doctors advising not-overweight people to lose weight.
Post by: Onyxjew944 on June 27, 2013, 07:59:52 am
You mean, this (http://i.imgur.com/rmYXfML.jpg) amazing Example (http://i.imgur.com/OYtx5se.png) of why not to do meth while pregnant? (http://i.imgur.com/kjPjGrk.png)Oh, trust me, it can get a lot worse on tumblr. Just wait until you see the "cultural appropriation" folk who essentially argue for racial, religious, and cultural segregation.Not to mention the people who believe that scientists make up all that stuff about too much food making you fat because they hate fat people, or that guy we talked about a bit back who thought his parents were "blackmailing" him into taking his meds and getting a job by telling him they wouldn't support him if he didn't. He also mentioned that they should support him because he was a turtle and a five-year-old kid in past lives.
Similarly, I read the first six paragraphs of this (http://www.truthism.com/), but do they ever get to the point? Or do they just keep rambling on about how we're wrong and don't know the truth? Is the truth ever said in that wall of useless text?
Post by: SealyStar on June 27, 2013, 09:50:32 am
You mean, this (http://i.imgur.com/rmYXfML.jpg) amazing Example (http://i.imgur.com/OYtx5se.png) of why not to do meth while pregnant? (http://i.imgur.com/kjPjGrk.png)Oh, trust me, it can get a lot worse on tumblr. Just wait until you see the "cultural appropriation" folk who essentially argue for racial, religious, and cultural segregation.Not to mention the people who believe that scientists make up all that stuff about too much food making you fat because they hate fat people, or that guy we talked about a bit back who thought his parents were "blackmailing" him into taking his meds and getting a job by telling him they wouldn't support him if he didn't. He also mentioned that they should support him because he was a turtle and a five-year-old kid in past lives.
Similarly, I read the first six paragraphs of this (http://www.truthism.com/), but do they ever get to the point? Or do they just keep rambling on about how we're wrong and don't know the truth? Is the truth ever said in that wall of useless text?
Judging by the name "Jenn" I think it's a "she", tahujdt. And that the number of males on Tumblr is probably pretty low anyway.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on June 27, 2013, 10:02:16 am
Similarly, I read the first six paragraphs of this (http://www.truthism.com/), but do they ever get to the point? Or do they just keep rambling on about how we're wrong and don't know the truth? Is the truth ever said in that wall of useless text?yes. the truth is evil reptilian aliens have ruled mankind since ancient history and continue to do so
Post by: Gamerlord on June 27, 2013, 10:04:43 am
Really? I thought the crab people ruled us...Similarly, I read the first six paragraphs of this (http://www.truthism.com/), but do they ever get to the point? Or do they just keep rambling on about how we're wrong and don't know the truth? Is the truth ever said in that wall of useless text?yes. the truth is evil reptilian aliens have ruled mankind since ancient history and continue to do so
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on June 27, 2013, 10:11:23 am
Post by: Skyrunner on June 27, 2013, 10:12:53 am
Look at all those labels. S: Cisgendered? Demiplatonic? Aromantic? Panwhut? >_>You mean, this (http://i.imgur.com/rmYXfML.jpg) amazing Example (http://i.imgur.com/OYtx5se.png) of why not to do meth while pregnant? (http://i.imgur.com/kjPjGrk.png)Oh, trust me, it can get a lot worse on tumblr. Just wait until you see the "cultural appropriation" folk who essentially argue for racial, religious, and cultural segregation.Not to mention the people who believe that scientists make up all that stuff about too much food making you fat because they hate fat people, or that guy we talked about a bit back who thought his parents were "blackmailing" him into taking his meds and getting a job by telling him they wouldn't support him if he didn't. He also mentioned that they should support him because he was a turtle and a five-year-old kid in past lives.
Similarly, I read the first six paragraphs of this (http://www.truthism.com/), but do they ever get to the point? Or do they just keep rambling on about how we're wrong and don't know the truth? Is the truth ever said in that wall of useless text?
The 'about' is 75% labels...
Also, the phrase 'check your privilege' says nothing and a lot o things at once. S: It apparently originated from a nice intellectual essay some years ago, but eh.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on June 27, 2013, 10:17:17 am
Post by: Gamerlord on June 27, 2013, 10:19:21 am
no, those only pseudo-rule us, because in reality they are being controlled by the reptiliansI thought the reptilians were a subdivision of the mole people, being controlled by the crab people... I just can't follow the secret politics anymore man, it's too complicated.
Post by: Dutchling on June 27, 2013, 10:22:19 am
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Post by: Gamerlord on June 27, 2013, 10:29:44 am
Post by: Sirus on June 27, 2013, 10:32:32 am
LW is a fixture of the community, Tylui. You damn well better like him. :VA "fixture of the community" doesn't have to be likable. :I
Post by: Vorthon on June 27, 2013, 10:36:31 am
Protip: If I end a sentence in ':v' or variants thereof, I'm kidding.LW is a fixture of the community, Tylui. You damn well better like him. :VA "fixture of the community" doesn't have to be likable. :I
Post by: Sirus on June 27, 2013, 10:38:48 am
Semi-protip: Not everyone jokes about stuff like that.Protip: If I end a sentence in ':v' or variants thereof, I'm kidding.LW is a fixture of the community, Tylui. You damn well better like him. :VA "fixture of the community" doesn't have to be likable. :I
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 27, 2013, 10:41:18 am
Also, the phrase 'check your privilege' says nothing and a lot o things at once. S: It apparently originated from a nice intellectual essay some years ago, but eh.It's a useful statement in contextually relevant situations, i.e. in situations where a privileged person is advocating a sensible course of action available only to those who share said privilege, and presenting it to an audience who does not as the solution to their problem.
Which is a really annoying and fairly common thing. Most people don't stop to take into account whether or not their "solution" actually works outside the context they are familiar with, after all, or makes sense if looked at from a different environment.
At least that's where I think something like that would be appropriate, a reminder for someone to check their privileges, but even then I doubt those exact words would do anything but make the person defensive unless they were explicitly expecting to hear them if they stepped into such a situation.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 27, 2013, 11:00:12 am
Just don't turn your nose up at people who use the word "cisgendered." That's dumb.
Post by: Dutchling on June 27, 2013, 11:03:17 am
Post by: Oliolli on June 27, 2013, 12:15:29 pm
Damn fucking straight. He's one of the few Bay12ers you are meant to be able to identify on sight!
Him having dozens of different avatars doesn't make that easy at times...
Post by: SealyStar on June 27, 2013, 12:37:36 pm
Look at all those labels. S: Cisgendered? Demiplatonic? Aromantic? Panwhut? >_>
The 'about' is 75% labels...
I think I can speak the language enough to decipher those:
22: Confused.
Cisgendered: A source of privilege of which she is ashamed.
Transabled: She isn't actually disabled but pretends she is.
Pansexual: Effective the same as "Bisexual" but inclusive of all the various newfangled gender permutations.
Aromantic: An excuse to fuck people without caring about them otherwise.
Asensual: I don't know. This is a hapax legomenon in the corpus of the Ta'amb-lr language.
Demiplatonic: She thinks she is special because she only has "real" friends, not "fake friends".
Turtle/tortoise in a past life: She both believes in the load of hooey that is reincarnation and in some otherkin bullshit.
Member of a multiple system: She claims to have multiple personalities but was never actually diagnosed with this problem.
Gainer: She justifies gaining weight by claiming it's part of her identity.
Fat activist: She thinks "fat" is a bigoted label and that there are no health problems associated with being fat.
Transfat activist: Either she is against margarine or, more likely, she claims to be really fat despite not being - and for her being a "gainer" is like a transexual getting a sex-change operation.
Vegan: Because it placates the hippies. It also makes "gaining" hella harder, but whatever.
Feminist: Because she's a woman, and she's on Tumblr.
Oh, and by the way, if you want to follow the further adventures of "Jenn" and "Justice" in their eternal quest for the Oppression Olympics gold medal, here's the original Tumblr: http://x-trung.tumblr.com/
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Jenn here. Sorry I haven’t been posting. I recently suffered a terrible injustice at the hands of a bunch of singletist, ableist bigots. It all started when I was having dinner at my parents house. My mother inevitably made several cruel remarks about my weight, my veganism, and the amount of food I was eating. She started talking talking about the possibility of decreasing my food allowance even more or cutting it all together and buying all my groceries herself. Eventually, she told me I needed to see a different therapist as well as a nutritionist because apparently purposefully gaining weight is insane. According to her transfatness isn’t real and I am just addicted to food.
I was furious but I tried to stay calm for the sake of my headmates as well as for the sake of my food allowance. Derek was present and listening the entire time. Derek hates the body and resents being trapped in it. He is also very prone to harming it. At some point I lost control. Derek took over and swore at my mom then ran to the bathroom. Algoral, Carlotta, Momo, Toshi, and I were present the entire time. Derek found a razor and started cutting. He hadn’t bothered to lock the door. My mom found him and wrestled the razor out of our hand while my dad dialed 911.
I ended up fronting at the hospital. A lot of what happened is a blur. I tried to explain that I wasn’t self harming and that I am part of a multiple system. The doctor had no idea what I was talking about and asked my parents if I had been evaluated for schizophrenia. My parents basically told the doctor that I fake DID for attention.
The doctor forced me to be put on a 72 hour hold. The mental hospital was a separate hospital so I had to be taken there in an ambulance. I honestly don’t want to recall too much about it. Let’s just say that the medical and mental health system in this country is deeply, deeply ableist as well as singletist. I had to lie about my multiplicity, a large part of my identity, just to get out of there. I had to tell my headmates to lay low. They were not allowed to front for 72 hours. If any of them did, we all would have been forced to stay in that prison where we weren’t allowed to be ourselves and where some of us weren’t even allowed to merely exist. Not only that, but they had me on a reduced calorie diet while I was there… (scoff) no surprise, really.
We were released some days ago. The others have been fronting a lot to make up for lost time. My parents are angry at me and insisting that the whole ordeal was just me being attention seeking and taking it too far. They keep telling me that I don’t have DID and when I tell them that I in fact do not— that I have what is called natural multiplicity— they tell I’m making up illnesses. Natural multiplicity is real and it is not an illness or a disability! I wish they would allow me to educate them about these things since I actually know a lot about them seeing as I experience them ONLY EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE. Yeah, obviously I’ve been fighting with my parents a lot more than usual, but they haven’t decreased or cut any of my allowances so I guess I can still handle all this arguing for now.
Again, I’m sorry for my absence but I’ve been a bad place, both literally and figuratively, and I have a lot to think about. I should be posting more regularly now. Thank you all for bearing with me.
Yup, we have a mental case.
Post by: tahujdt on June 27, 2013, 12:41:02 pm
Feminist: Because she's a woman, and she's on Tumblr.Someone needs to sig this.
The label 'feminist' does not describe very much. I could mean people who are fighting for women to be equal to men (despite the fact that they basically already are), people who think that women are better than men, or people who think that women and men should be segregated.
Post by: SealyStar on June 27, 2013, 01:03:50 pm
She still claims to be "transfat" and a "gainer", a reincarnated tortoise, "demiplatonic", "aromantic", and "transabled". We can still freely mock her.
Post by: Grand Nagus on June 27, 2013, 01:10:55 pm
The sad thing about this comment, is not only is it monumentally stupid and illogical, it's the most common 'proof' of god that I come across in discussions/debates.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 27, 2013, 01:21:05 pm
'The fact that we live on a planet that can sustain human life proves divine providence'Lvl 666 axiom
The sad thing about this comment, is not only is it monumentally stupid and illogical, it's the most common 'proof' of god that I come across in discussions/debates.
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Post by: Knight of Fools on June 27, 2013, 03:18:46 pm
'The fact that we live on a planet that can sustain human life proves divine providence'
The sad thing about this comment, is not only is it monumentally stupid and illogical, it's the most common 'proof' of god that I come across in discussions/debates.
While it's certainly not "Proof", you have to admit that the chances of life on a planet are vastly improved if divine intervention were involved.
Calling it stupid and illogical, however, is just trolling.
Edit: Typo. And, sorry, I'm not trying to start an argument. I do find people ragging on others' beliefs just to rag on them irritating, though.
Post by: tahujdt on June 27, 2013, 03:21:46 pm
Please don't start an argument.'The fact that we live on a planet that can sustain human life proves divine providence'
The sad thing about this comment, is not only is it monumentally stupid and illogical, it's the most common 'proof' of god that I come across in discussions/debates.
While it's certainly not "Proof", you have to admit that the chances of life on a planet are vastly if divine intervention were involved.
Calling it stupid and illogical, however, is just trolling.
Post by: Graknorke on June 27, 2013, 03:23:59 pm
Is that a typo or omitted word or something? Because I can't really parse meaning from that.'The fact that we live on a planet that can sustain human life proves divine providence'the chances of life on a planet are vastly if divine intervention were involved.
The sad thing about this comment, is not only is it monumentally stupid and illogical, it's the most common 'proof' of god that I come across in discussions/debates.
Post by: MaximumZero on June 27, 2013, 03:27:51 pm
This is where I stopped reading and knew the rest was nonsensical bullshit.QuoteJenn here. Sorry I haven’t been posting. I recently suffered a terrible injustice at the hands of a bunch of singletist, ableist bigots.
Er...not really. You see, life is made up of a set number of chemicals, which happen to be, for the most part, the most abundant in the universe. To improve our odds, space is also hugely vast and has been around a long, long time. The number of possibilities for life to arise over the past 14 billion or so years is positively staggering, even if most of them didn't take. Eventually, one was going to hit.'The fact that we live on a planet that can sustain human life proves divine providence'While it's certainly not "Proof", you have to admit that the chances of life on a planet are vastly if divine intervention were involved.
The sad thing about this comment, is not only is it monumentally stupid and illogical, it's the most common 'proof' of god that I come across in discussions/debates.
It is highly improbable that I am going to paint an exact replica of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel while blindfolded, probably doubly so because I don't particularly care for the iconography. However, given enough time, canvas and paint, it's pretty much inevitable, because there are a limited number of ways that paint, canvas, and a brush can be used, even if it seems like a lot of combinations from our perspective.
Post by: Graknorke on June 27, 2013, 03:35:00 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 27, 2013, 03:36:25 pm
Post by: Knight of Fools on June 27, 2013, 03:38:46 pm
The chances of life on this planet are vastly improved if divine intervention were involved.
I'm not saying there's a One True Way, or folks that believe one way or another are wrong or stupid. I was just trying to point out that the "I'm superior because I believe differently than other people" is kind of a silly way to go about, regardless of what your beliefs are. We've run into this issue before in this thread, and it's irritating when the thread is supposed to be about genuinely stupid things, not criticizing others' ideologies.
And I don't want to start an OT argument here. If we really want to discuss it, we should probably bring it elsewhere.
Post by: Mr. Palau on June 27, 2013, 03:46:04 pm
Post by: Shakerag on June 27, 2013, 03:48:16 pm
Let me rephrase myself, then:If you assume that there is such a thing as a "divine" entity which has a power to cause a "divine intervention" and this specific planet was choosen as a location for said event, sure.
The chances of life on this planet are vastly improved if divine intervention were involved.
I can also say that the chances that I will ride a unicorn in the near future will be vastly improved if unicorns fucking existed.
Well, the chances of life on any planet would always be improved with divine intervention. If the chance was not 100% in the first place, God's intervention would up the odds of life succeeding to 100%, because he is God and thus could not fail. On a coin flip the odds of heads coming up is 50%, unless god intervenes in which case it would be 100%.You damn ninja! >_<
Also, why does everyone assume some godly intervention will always be positive?
Post by: Knight of Fools on June 27, 2013, 03:52:17 pm
We've run into this issue before in this thread, and it's irritating when the thread is supposed to be about genuinely stupid things, not criticizing others' ideologies.
... I don't want to start an OT argument here. If we really want to discuss it, we should probably bring it elsewhere.
Post by: tahujdt on June 27, 2013, 04:10:38 pm
The existence of life on our planet isn't all that magical. A crack in a concrete road allowing a sapling to grow is hardly evidence of a purpose. The origins of the sapling or the road? Much more interesting, for all pursuits of knowledge to seek.Whether you believe in divine creation or not, the universe is still an amazing place.
Spoiler: Not really relevant, but still funny (click to show/hide)
Post by: Criptfeind on June 27, 2013, 04:28:44 pm
Also, why does everyone assume some godly intervention will always be positive?
Isn't that pretty much like... The idea of a god? If it was not a positive thing we would be calling it a demon or a devil or even a spirit.
We've run into this issue before in this thread, and it's irritating when the thread is supposed to be about genuinely stupid things, not criticizing others' ideologies.
... I don't want to start an OT argument here. If we really want to discuss it, we should probably bring it elsewhere.
Saying you don't want to argue, in the same post as you made a argument, is really weak.
It's seriously like, a pet peeve of mine even. People who do that.
It's pretty clear it's not like people who do that actually think the argument should end in a agree to disagree scenario. Or that they don't care anymore. It means they ether don't have confidence in their viewpoint enough for it to stand up to anything or more likely that they simply want the last word.
It's weak as hell and annoying as fuck. It always takes two to tango and if you want a argument to stop you just simply don't post at all!
Anyway, as for the actual thing itself. No, that's not a belief. It's not a philosophy. It's not a idea. It's just a stupid fallacy and it totally deserves to be in this thread.
Post by: ggamer on June 27, 2013, 04:56:30 pm
----I know that feel, bro. As an old earth christian I sort of get lumped in with other christians.
Post by: Scoops Novel on June 27, 2013, 05:01:21 pm
Post by: tahujdt on June 27, 2013, 05:18:44 pm
No argument intended, but how are churches (not necessarily just Christianity, if you have something to share) coping with their declining numbers from what you can tell?My church actually sees it as a good thing, inasmuch as it means that people are more likely to come of their own free will.
Post by: Shakerag on June 27, 2013, 05:19:23 pm
So are you basically saying a "demon or a devil or even a spirit" are terms for an evil god?Also, why does everyone assume some godly intervention will always be positive?
Isn't that pretty much like... The idea of a god? If it was not a positive thing we would be calling it a demon or a devil or even a spirit.
I'm just saying that everyone who assumes there's some higher power out there automatically defines it as benevolent. What if the evils of the world aren't being caused by some manner of devil (as a counterpoint to a "good" god), but rather an unchecked diety that enjoys suffering?
Post by: tahujdt on June 27, 2013, 05:20:32 pm
Then we are, quite frankly, fucked.So are you basically saying a "demon or a devil or even a spirit" are terms for an evil god?Also, why does everyone assume some godly intervention will always be positive?
Isn't that pretty much like... The idea of a god? If it was not a positive thing we would be calling it a demon or a devil or even a spirit.
I'm just saying that everyone who assumes there's some higher power out there automatically defines it as benevolent. What if the evils of the world aren't being caused by some manner of devil (as a counterpoint to a "good" god), but rather an unchecked diety that enjoys suffering?
Post by: Criptfeind on June 27, 2013, 05:28:00 pm
So are you basically saying a "demon or a devil or even a spirit" are terms for an evil god?
Yeah, sorta. I think what I mean most of all is that the idea of a evil god is not as attractive as the idea of a good god. Therefor, the main god should be good. And then sub gods, even ones as powerful as the main god can be bad, but they won't be called gods.
What if the evils of the world aren't being caused by some manner of devil (as a counterpoint to a "good" god), but rather an unchecked diety that enjoys suffering?
Well. What about it? I am sure people out there do believe that. I was just saying that normally we wouldn't call them a god.
If you are asking why it's not a super popular fantasy like the idea of a benevolent god, I would assume that is because for most people the narrative "God loves you" seems to be, over time at least, stronger then the narrative "God hates you" or "God doesn't care about". So in the long run one is easier to believe. Or at least, that is the case in the modern world. Where we no longer need anything from god then assurance and self worth.
Post by: Scoops Novel on June 27, 2013, 05:36:21 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on June 27, 2013, 05:42:54 pm
If you are asking why it's not a super popular fantasy like the idea of a benevolent god, I would assume that is because for most people the narrative "God loves you" seems to be, over time at least, stronger then the narrative "God hates you" or "God doesn't care about". So in the long run one is easier to believe. Or at least, that is the case in the modern world. Where we no longer need anything from god then assurance and self worth.Indeed. Throughout history, the deistic beliefs of a civilization tend to follow the hardship they face. Places with hard environments to live in tend produce apathetic or malicious gods. Places that are easy for humans to live in (i.e. bountiful equatorial regions similar to those of the African grasslands that humans evolved for) tend to produce benevolent or benign gods.
Modern Christianity faces a serious cognitive dissonance from people brought up in the latter category being asked to believe in a god written by people in the former category.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on June 27, 2013, 07:37:20 pm
Feminist: Because she's a woman, and she's on Tumblr.Someone needs to sig this.
The label 'feminist' does not describe very much. I could mean people who are fighting for women to be equal to men (despite the fact that they basically already are), people who think that women are better than men, or people who think that women and men should be segregated.
It describes a specific intellectual and political movement. There's a reason people can say things like "second wave feminism". There is a history behind the thing, it isn't just a label people have arbitrarily given themselves as you seem to be implying. It may be that for Tumblr crazies (I don't have a Tumblr account, so I wouldn't know) but they don't speak for feminists as a whole. Personally I think this author's blog post (http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2012/10/fanmail-faq-the-f-word/) explains it better than I can.
Look at all those labels. S: Cisgendered? Demiplatonic? Aromantic? Panwhut? >_>
The 'about' is 75% labels...
Also, the phrase 'check your privilege' says nothing and a lot o things at once. S: It apparently originated from a nice intellectual essay some years ago, but eh.
While I can't speak to the first two, Aromantic and Pansexual are legitimate and useful labels.
Aromantic is to romance what asexual is to sex. Its generally considered a subcategory of asexual, but since aromantics can still want sex they obviously aren't going to describe themselves as asexual because that's a very good way not to get laid.
Pansexual is an orientation in the same sense that bisexual is, except that pansexuals are attracted to people of ambiguous gender. So a bisexual would be attracted to men and women but not the androgenous or ambigious. Whereas pansexuals could go for any of those categories.
Just because some people abuse a word doesn't mean that word has no meaning :D
Post by: Scelly9 on June 27, 2013, 07:39:57 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 27, 2013, 08:01:56 pm
Cisgendered means that you identify as the gender you where born as.Isn't that just gendered?
Post by: Scelly9 on June 27, 2013, 08:10:48 pm
You would think so.Cisgendered means that you identify as the gender you where born as.Isn't that just gendered?
It's latin, meaning "on the same side as". I think that its just easier to use in a setting where female can also mean male to female transgendered. Things can get confusing.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on June 27, 2013, 08:30:29 pm
Cisgendered means that you identify as the gender you where born as.
Ok, devils advocate but if you use the formal meanings of "sex" and "gender" (which you probably are if you're using the word "cis") then gender is learned/constructed and you aren't born as a gender. So there shouldn't be a need to add "gendered" on the end of the word.
Post by: SealyStar on June 27, 2013, 08:37:27 pm
It's latin, meaning "on the same side as".
Latin has a great deal of highly specific prefixes like that :P
Post by: Xantalos on June 27, 2013, 08:53:02 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on June 27, 2013, 08:55:05 pm
Everyone* is "gendered." "Cisgendered" is used to distinguish from "transgendered."Cisgendered means that you identify as the gender you where born as.Isn't that just gendered?
Complain all you like about the root words not matching up to the colloquial meaning. That's not important. The term is necessary to avoid ambiguity. Remember "heterosexual" didn't really exist as a term until after "homosexual" did, and for exactly the same reasons.
*'cept I suppose those gender neutral people.
gender is learned/constructed and you aren't born as a gender.I've never heard anyone claim this. Seems to me there would be a hell of a lot more trans folk if it were true, too.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on June 27, 2013, 09:04:43 pm
It is true in a sense, but not in the same way as transgendered people would tend to think of it. Humans do not show the ability to differentiate genders until around 6 years of age, and thus do not pay attention to the concept at all before this point. Mentally, they see everyone as being the same gender as them, even if told otherwise. I myself remember how in Kindergarten I did not immediately think in terms of boys and girls, and neither did anyone else. By 1st Grade I was, and the boy/girl camps were mostly established.gender is learned/constructed and you aren't born as a gender.I've never heard anyone claim this. Seems to me there would be a hell of a lot more trans folk if it were true, too.
Gender is indeed learned, but in the sense that conservation of mass is learned (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnArvcWaH6I). It must be learned as part of your development and cannot be avoided or unlearned.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on June 27, 2013, 09:38:32 pm
I guess my issue here is that you can be transgender without being transexual so there's a purpose in specifying there. But you can't be cisgendered without also being cissexual. I think. And if you're cissexual without being cisgendered, the term transgender already describes you. So neither the term cisgendered or cissexual is necassary, cis means the same thing while being shorter and less needlessly specific.
Post by: Parsely on June 27, 2013, 09:54:10 pm
Post by: Knight of Fools on June 27, 2013, 10:40:41 pm
Saying you don't want to argue, in the same post as you made a argument, is really weak.
I love a good debate, but if you read my post I specifically say I don't want to argue here, meaning in this thread. If there's something I don't want to discuss, I'm smart enough to not discuss it. If a topic does stray into a hot topic I want to comment on, I'll make my point and suggest someone start a new thread so we can continue the discussion without derailing the entire thread too much, like I did here. I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer.
The entire point of my original post was to point out that someone else's belief isn't inherently stupid just because you don't believe in it. I feel like calling out sincere beliefs and ridiculing them goes against the spirit of this thread. There's obviously a grey area with truly off-the-wall beliefs and that's fine, but I don't feel like believing in God is one of those grey areas.
Post by: kaijyuu on June 27, 2013, 10:58:45 pm
Cisgendered is an unnecessary distinction and anybody who actually calls themselves that amongst a flurry of other obscure terms should probably be dismissed.Your assertion here is unsupported.
Why is a term for the opposite of transgendered unnecessary?
So neither the term cisgendered or cissexual is necassary, cis means the same thing while being shorter and less needlessly specific.Well okay. If ya just want a different term to be used, I won't argue. Just "cis" would be fine by me.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on June 27, 2013, 11:05:39 pm
There's no operative need for it. You might have to explain that you are transgendered, you definitely do not have to explain that you are cisgendered. This differs from heterosexual and homosexual in that these terms inform whom you are willing to have sex with, which can be important information. A word for "not transgendered" is quite simply not going to come up with any kind of frequency.Cisgendered is an unnecessary distinction and anybody who actually calls themselves that amongst a flurry of other obscure terms should probably be dismissed.Your assertion here is unsupported.
Why is a term for the opposite of transgendered unnecessary?
Going out of the way to call one's self cisgendered, in my experience, is from people who are intent upon being as Special Snowflake as possible (as seen in the earlier example). Even though the vast, vast majority of people are not transgendered, these individuals feed their ego by setting up terminology for it.
Post by: frostshotgg on June 27, 2013, 11:24:31 pm
For the same reason I don't need to specify that I am alive, I am an animal, I am a mammal, I am a primate, I am a hominid, I am a human, and I am a sentient human. Things that are more common can be assumed to be true until otherwise said.Cisgendered is an unnecessary distinction and anybody who actually calls themselves that amongst a flurry of other obscure terms should probably be dismissed.Your assertion here is unsupported.
Why is a term for the opposite of transgendered unnecessary?
EDIT: To be clear, I am not anti-transexual.
Post by: Glowcat on June 27, 2013, 11:36:59 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on June 27, 2013, 11:55:04 pm
Post by: Vector on June 27, 2013, 11:58:19 pm
Thought you might find that interesting.
Post by: frostshotgg on June 28, 2013, 12:03:59 am
Post by: Vector on June 28, 2013, 12:05:43 am
Isn't that just normal?
Post by: Slayerhero90 on June 28, 2013, 12:06:56 am
This isn't a matter of feminine vs masculine, though. It's a matter of nothing vs actively pointing out a difference.The topic isn't about that, though, it's about amazingly stupid things people have said. She swas just giving an example of something stupid, maybe even trying to draw this discussion away from what we're talking about.
Post by: Xantalos on June 28, 2013, 12:10:11 am
Why do we have the word brunette?I think that means brown hair.
Isn't that just normal?
Post by: Vector on June 28, 2013, 12:11:17 am
And that's what's normal, statistically speaking. Why the hell would we designate that anything? Why not just call it normal and be done with it?
Post by: frostshotgg on June 28, 2013, 12:11:48 am
Why do we have the word brunette?Because it's defining a color of hair.
Isn't that just normal?
Maybe. Does it matter whether or not it's normal? I don't go out of my way to point out that I have brown hair. Does it affect your view of me in any way if I specify that I do? If it does, is it in any way a significant difference?
I guess I'll admit I was wrong or something. This topic is getting really confusing to follow. I think I'll just drop back out of the discussion and into lurking now.This isn't a matter of feminine vs masculine, though. It's a matter of nothing vs actively pointing out a difference.The topic isn't about that, though, it's about amazingly stupid things people have said. She swas just giving an example of something stupid, maybe even trying to draw this discussion away from what we're talking about.
NINJAEDIT
Yeah.That's not what I was talking about though. It's fine to have a word for it. The question is why does it need to actively be said?
And that's what's normal, statistically speaking. Why the hell would we designate that anything? Why not just call it normal and be done with it?
Post by: Xantalos on June 28, 2013, 12:14:04 am
Yeah.Because that's not the default gene color or something? Otherwise you'd have to explain to a large chunk of the Netherlands why their hair is abnormal.
And that's what's normal, statistically speaking. Why the hell would we designate that anything? Why not just call it normal and be done with it?
Also, French word.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on June 28, 2013, 12:14:58 am
Post by: Vector on June 28, 2013, 12:22:18 am
And you have to explain to a large chunk of the transsexual population why their configuration is abnormal. What, can't you imagine a culture where transitioning is a standard rite of passage? I sure can.
So, would someone please explain to me--why is it that we need so many special words for my lustrous chestnut curls, but people who use the word "cisgendered" are making a big fuss and trying to appear more special than they are? Or creating unnecessary division?
After all, my eyes are dark brown with an amber halo inside. Just like, oh... most people.
Post by: Xantalos on June 28, 2013, 12:25:01 am
Uh-huh. Brown hair is the average color for France, by the way. Argument still applies.Wait, when did this become about gender? I haven't really been reading the thread, I'm just arguing that there's no default hair color that all humans have initially and is changed by other factors, but that there's a variety of different hair colors that people are born with and this none of them can be called normal, no matter how many people possess that particular genotype.
And you have to explain to a large chunk of the transsexual population why their configuration is abnormal. What, can't you imagine a culture where transitioning is a standard rite of passage? I sure can.
So, would someone please explain to me--why is it that we need so many special words for my lustrous chestnut curls, but people who use the word "cisgendered" are making a big fuss and trying to appear more special than they are? Or creating unnecessary division?
After all, my eyes are dark brown with an amber halo inside. Just like, oh... most people.
Post by: Scelly9 on June 28, 2013, 12:27:29 am
Post by: Xantalos on June 28, 2013, 12:30:17 am
We've been using hair color as a metaphone for sex (as in the type, not the act) and gender.Gender discussions?
Oh no.
Post by: Vector on June 28, 2013, 12:30:24 am
Post by: Xantalos on June 28, 2013, 12:31:29 am
Post by: Ogdibus on June 28, 2013, 12:34:12 am
Post by: frostshotgg on June 28, 2013, 12:44:54 am
Post by: Ogdibus on June 28, 2013, 12:50:15 am
Post by: Sensei on June 28, 2013, 01:56:56 am
Post by: Xantalos on June 28, 2013, 01:57:51 am
I think the thread needs an emergency dosage of Timecube (http://www.timecube.com)!Wat
Post by: EnigmaticHat on June 28, 2013, 04:49:19 am
I think the thread needs an emergency dosage of Timecube (http://www.timecube.com)!
I feel like I'm reading a conspiracy theory from an alternate universe. An alternate universe where people have very different ideas about grammar. BELLYBUTTON LOGIC WORKS
Post by: Gamerlord on June 28, 2013, 04:55:29 am
The problem with saying that not being trans is the default state of being is that most trans people feel they were born as the wrong sex/assigned the wrong gender, in the same way most gay people feel they were born attracted to the opposite sex. Thus saying there should be no word for cis is equivalent to saying there should be no word for brown hair (or whatever the local most common hair is). Both are the norm but you don't default to being cis any more than you default to being a brunette.It is true insanity.I think the thread needs an emergency dosage of Timecube (http://www.timecube.com)!
I feel like I'm reading a conspiracy theory from an alternate universe. An alternate universe where people have very different ideas about grammar. BELLYBUTTON LOGIC WORKS
Post by: Parsely on June 28, 2013, 05:07:57 am
I don't even..The problem with saying that not being trans is the default state of being is that most trans people feel they were born as the wrong sex/assigned the wrong gender, in the same way most gay people feel they were born attracted to the opposite sex. Thus saying there should be no word for cis is equivalent to saying there should be no word for brown hair (or whatever the local most common hair is). Both are the norm but you don't default to being cis any more than you default to being a brunette.It is true insanity.I think the thread needs an emergency dosage of Timecube (http://www.timecube.com)!
I feel like I'm reading a conspiracy theory from an alternate universe. An alternate universe where people have very different ideas about grammar. BELLYBUTTON LOGIC WORKS
Post by: PanH on June 28, 2013, 07:22:20 am
Post by: da_nang on June 28, 2013, 07:48:37 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 28, 2013, 08:02:42 am
Spoiler: Just adding my bits to a dead derail (click to show/hide)
Post by: Oliolli on June 28, 2013, 09:54:18 am
It has a wiki page! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube)
10 grand to anyone who disproves him? I might try... if I understood what the hell he's going on about.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 28, 2013, 10:01:13 am
It has a wiki page! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube)
10 grand to anyone who disproves him? I might try... if I understood what the hell he's going on about.
"Dr Gene Ray is the
Greatest Philosopher,
and is the Greatest
Mathematician."
"The Greatest Philosopher and Mathematician has to tell everyone he is great."
Post by: frostshotgg on June 28, 2013, 10:32:43 am
Post by: kaijyuu on June 28, 2013, 10:39:46 am
The exact same line of thought could justify removing terms for sexuality (homosexual, heterosexual, etc), and just call everyone "sexual." Nice in theory, but this would make things quite awkward if you're being hit on by someone of a gender you're not interested in. Saying "I'm gay/straight" is much easier than "I'm not attracted to your sexual morphology." Terms have a point and purpose.That'd probably explain why I prefer 'gendered.' I'd much rather people stop dividing themselves from one another, unity is strength after all. Because everyone is indeed gendered.Everyone* is "gendered." "Cisgendered" is used to distinguish from "transgendered."Cisgendered means that you identify as the gender you where born as.Isn't that just gendered?
The heart of the problem here is people are different. We can be unified, but that doesn't mean we have to be all the same or to ignore each other's differences to do so. Our identities make us who we are, and identifying and cataloging all our nuances won't somehow pit us against each other. Individuality and collectivism can both exist simultaneously. We should celebrate difference and variety instead.
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 28, 2013, 10:57:36 am
Post by: MrSparky on June 28, 2013, 11:07:56 am
Time Cube is actually pretty neat. I would totally do an analysis or disproof or something on it for a rhetoric class if I could. The biggest challenge for it is to translate it from garbled gobbledegook into English. Once you do that it makes sense, to some degree. He's applying the Pi = 4 fallacy to time, to some extent.Lessee, name calling, insults, posturing, rambling, holy fuck this is so awful It's amazing. I can't stop reading.
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Mother and father gave me birth, not a queer jew god.He blames soldiers dying overseas on their parents ignoring him.
He claims 4 days in 24 hours. He gets them by placing 4 reference points and 4 reference times.
A=00:00
B=06:00(sun-up)
C=12:00
D=18:00(sundown)
Next day is when
A=06:00(sun-up)
B=12:00
C=18:00(sundown)
D=00:00
And so forth. yeah. I don't see the pi=4 fallacy. I see plenty of misunderstanding geometry though.
There's also a good deal of racism flying around.
Post by: Shakerag on June 28, 2013, 11:08:48 am
The heart of the issue is that people like labels, and like being able to label people, because people want other people to fit into neat little categories, while also wanting their specific category to be seen as the default. They want to be normal, and they want anyone who DIFFERS be those who have to be explicitly labeled. This isn't to say they don't want a label - "normal" is a label - they simply want to decide what that label means.This. So much this.
I think there's a purpose to a word like cisgendered, because it's a useful qualifier in the kind of conversations it normally comes up in, and defining things by what they are not ("not transgender") is often inaccurate and fails to accurately describe what is being discusssed. That's fine!
Of course, the term has since been thoroughly abused, and instead of being a positive declaration of attributes (not in the sense of positive morally, but rather being a label defined by qualities a thing possesses rather than those it lacks) it's become a simple synonym for untrans - like many elements of language in the social movement, it's devolved into filling the same tribal purpose those who use it purport to advocate against - it's become nothing more than a negation (often a slur and ad hominem), and lost, in general use, many of the aspects that made it especially useful as a term.
Of course, the original need is still there, so it's going to continue existing even if everyone stops being idiots, but because everyone, everywhere, is too caught up in their own goddamn ego and need to feel important by excluding and trivializing the opinion of others while trumpeting how it's important that exceptions be carved out for them, in particular, because every improper use of language that doesn't serve their personal goals and soothe their ego is obviously an attack on their identity... blah.QuoteSaying "I'm gay/straight" is much easier than "I'm not attracted to your sexual morphology." Terms have a point and purpose.
And herein lies the problem. Terms have a point and a purpose, but "accuracy", "clarity", and "acceptance" are very rarely a consideration. "Convenience", "identification", and "exclusion" are far more common.
"cisgendered" (and "transgendered" for that matter) can certainly be used for the first three, just as "gay/straight" can be... but if one thinks that's how any of these terms usually get used, I have a strong suspicion you may be mistaken.
The big reason I rally against labels so much is because each one has so much extra baggage attached to it.
Post by: Rose on June 28, 2013, 11:14:11 am
Post by: RedKing on June 28, 2013, 12:45:40 pm
this is why I tend to call myself cystgendered.They have antibiotics for that.
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Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 28, 2013, 12:54:20 pm
Post by: Graknorke on June 28, 2013, 04:26:40 pm
That is the reason it has never been done. Nobody really has a solid idea of what he's saying and the meaning behind a lot of the word structure. So it's difficult to disprove it.It has a wiki page! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube)10 grand to anyone who disproves him? I might try... if I understood what the hell he's going on about.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on June 28, 2013, 04:28:23 pm
I think it's more likely that anyone that out of it is never going to accept that they're wrong.That is the reason it has never been done. Nobody really has a solid idea of what he's saying and the meaning behind a lot of the word structure. So it's difficult to disprove it.It has a wiki page! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube)10 grand to anyone who disproves him? I might try... if I understood what the hell he's going on about.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on June 28, 2013, 04:30:11 pm
Post by: da_nang on June 28, 2013, 04:43:53 pm
Or that anyone who makes an actual effort to understand it will go mad.So we need Xantalos, then? Unless he can be affected by it too...
Post by: Xantalos on June 28, 2013, 05:51:47 pm
Wait, Timecube?Or that anyone who makes an actual effort to understand it will go mad.So we need Xantalos, then? Unless he can be affected by it too...
I'll wait for you guys to figure it out. It's hilarious when you get it.
Post by: Devling on June 28, 2013, 06:32:49 pm
Just tell us Xantalos! Come on, how many goats do we have to sacrifice?Wait, Timecube?Or that anyone who makes an actual effort to understand it will go mad.So we need Xantalos, then? Unless he can be affected by it too...
I'll wait for you guys to figure it out. It's hilarious when you get it.
Post by: Xantalos on June 28, 2013, 06:33:13 pm
No. :PJust tell us Xantalos! Come on, how many goats do we have to sacrifice?Wait, Timecube?Or that anyone who makes an actual effort to understand it will go mad.So we need Xantalos, then? Unless he can be affected by it too...
I'll wait for you guys to figure it out. It's hilarious when you get it.
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 28, 2013, 06:34:13 pm
Post by: Mr. Palau on June 28, 2013, 10:49:56 pm
It's ok guys, the happy thread (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=nicolas+cage+curve) already solved the timecube equation.How do they make a face with only one line, when bits of the face are disconnected?
mind=blown.
Post by: Xantalos on June 28, 2013, 10:55:24 pm
INVISILINESIt's ok guys, the happy thread (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=nicolas+cage+curve) already solved the timecube equation.How do they make a face with only one line, when bits of the face are disconnected?
mind=blown.
Post by: Putnam on June 28, 2013, 11:57:09 pm
It's ok guys, the happy thread (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=nicolas+cage+curve) already solved the timecube equation.How do they make a face with only one line, when bits of the face are disconnected?
mind=blown.
All those thetas, I'm pretty sure.
Post by: Sensei on June 29, 2013, 04:21:45 am
Post by: MagmaMcFry on June 29, 2013, 08:11:41 am
It's a big mess of piecemeal lines. Probably created in a vector-based drawing program and converted to text.Actually, the data looks more like a Fourier transformation of coordinate values than a spline.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on June 29, 2013, 08:38:05 am
THE STUPID THREAD IS BEING SMART!You should be happy about that. Think of all the quoting you'd need to do otherwise.
Post by: Oliolli on June 29, 2013, 08:58:13 am
BUT STIPPUD THRED SHUD BE STIPPUD!THE STUPID THREAD IS BEING SMART!You should be happy about that. Think of all the quoting you'd need to do otherwise.
STUPPID THRED ISNT ABOUT BEEING STUPPID, IS ABOUT SHOWING OFF AND TALKING OF STUPPID!
Post by: Skyrunner on June 29, 2013, 11:28:11 am
Fourier transformations: is there anything they can't do?It's a big mess of piecemeal lines. Probably created in a vector-based drawing program and converted to text.Actually, the data looks more like a Fourier transformation of coordinate values than a spline.
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 29, 2013, 11:41:09 am
Get me a girlfriend. :(Fourier transformations: is there anything they can't do?It's a big mess of piecemeal lines. Probably created in a vector-based drawing program and converted to text.Actually, the data looks more like a Fourier transformation of coordinate values than a spline.
Post by: tomio175 on June 29, 2013, 11:59:29 am
You have Fourier transformations. Why would you need a girlfriend?Get me a girlfriend. :(Fourier transformations: is there anything they can't do?It's a big mess of piecemeal lines. Probably created in a vector-based drawing program and converted to text.Actually, the data looks more like a Fourier transformation of coordinate values than a spline.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on June 29, 2013, 12:05:15 pm
Make a girlfriend with them.You have Fourier transformations. Why would you need a girlfriend?Get me a girlfriend. :(Fourier transformations: is there anything they can't do?It's a big mess of piecemeal lines. Probably created in a vector-based drawing program and converted to text.Actually, the data looks more like a Fourier transformation of coordinate values than a spline.
Post by: Vector on June 29, 2013, 12:37:29 pm
You have Fourier transformations. Why would you need a girlfriend?
If I were the sigging kind, that would be in my sig. Believe it.
Post by: Eotyrannus on June 29, 2013, 12:42:40 pm
You have Fourier transformations. Why would you need a girlfriend?
If I were the sigging kind, that would be in my sig. Believe it.
YOINK
Post by: tomio175 on June 29, 2013, 04:24:48 pm
I approve of your yoinking.You have Fourier transformations. Why would you need a girlfriend?
If I were the sigging kind, that would be in my sig. Believe it.
YOINK
Post by: kaian-a-coel on July 01, 2013, 12:23:42 am
Quote from: Kaian-a-coel
I watched it, it was... Bad. But popcorn-enjoyable bad, not terrible. I facepalmed when the guy said "they come for our water". No shit? Water is like the third most common element in the universe after hydrogen and helium! (don't quote me on that though) why bother invading a planet when they can harvest pluto's ice and simply melt it?
And the answer of a random guy to it:
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water really is one of the rarest "material" in the universe, water in its purest state such as the form found on our planet is hard to find not frozen or dried up on other planets, and we have the largest stockpile of water in our known universe, at least the largest that's accessible, you laughed at a part in the movie due to your own ignorance soooooooooo FUCK YOU
First he's wrong, water is extremely common (just look at Europa, it's covered in 30km of the stuff. Or, you know, comets and asteroids and sh*t.). It's just the liquid water which is extremely rare. But to a technologically advanced civilization, it makes no difference. You just have to melt the ice... Why bother eradicating pesky humans when you can just harvest Europa?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 01, 2013, 12:25:23 am
Post by: Xantalos on July 01, 2013, 12:26:13 am
Post by: Sirus on July 01, 2013, 12:30:51 am
But water's not an element.What I was about to say :P
Post by: kaian-a-coel on July 01, 2013, 12:31:06 am
But water's not an element.
I should've said "molecule", yes. ::)
Post by: Frumple on July 01, 2013, 12:31:14 am
Why bother eradicating pesky humans when you can just harvest Europa?Because the eradication comes with a complementary mid-genocide meal and all the after dinner mints you can bother to leave unirradiated.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 01, 2013, 12:32:43 am
You especially shouldn't have mentioned hydrogen, given that water is 33% hydrogen. And because its name literally means "water creating".But water's not an element.
I should've said "molecule", yes. ::)
Post by: Skyrunner on July 01, 2013, 02:37:44 am
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water
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find
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dried upHmm, not sure you can find water if it was all dried up and flung into space. Hmmmmmm.
Also, that answer is incoherent and misinformed. Woo :v Earth pretty much has a thin film of water clinging to it! And 'accessible' is relative: the grocery store across the street is accessible to me but not to you who live in the States. Water is far from one of the rarest molecules, elements, or materials in the universe. That prize goes to elements like plutonium or above, synthethized by artificial processes and quickly decayed to lead. :V
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 01, 2013, 02:41:34 am
Hmm, not sure you can find water if it was all dried up and flung into space. Hmmmmmm.Nothing beats a bottle of anhydrous water.
Post by: Xantalos on July 01, 2013, 02:45:07 am
'Yo Dave, what're you drinking there?'Hmm, not sure you can find water if it was all dried up and flung into space. Hmmmmmm.Nothing beats a bottle of anhydrous water.
'Air.'
Post by: Putnam on July 01, 2013, 04:10:34 am
Post by: Blargityblarg on July 01, 2013, 05:11:43 am
Water is either 67% or 11% hydrogen, depending of if you're going by atoms or mass, respectively.You especially shouldn't have mentioned hydrogen, given that water is 33% hydrogen. And because its name literally means "water creating".But water's not an element.
I should've said "molecule", yes. ::)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 01, 2013, 02:39:47 pm
While I got my formula reading backwards, I'm pretty sure it would be 66% by atoms, not 67%.Water is either 67% or 11% hydrogen, depending of if you're going by atoms or mass, respectively.You especially shouldn't have mentioned hydrogen, given that water is 33% hydrogen. And because its name literally means "water creating".But water's not an element.
I should've said "molecule", yes. ::)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 01, 2013, 02:47:25 pm
I have never seen a standard in which you are supposed to round up repeating numbers.2/3While I got my formula reading backwards, I'm pretty sure it would be 66% by atoms, not 67%.Water is either 67% or 11% hydrogen, depending of if you're going by atoms or mass, respectively.You especially shouldn't have mentioned hydrogen, given that water is 33% hydrogen. And because its name literally means "water creating".But water's not an element.
I should've said "molecule", yes. ::)
Or: 66.6666666666666666 Ad infinitum.
Rounding that to the nearest whole number is 67.
Post by: Dutchling on July 01, 2013, 02:48:35 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 01, 2013, 02:49:25 pm
Post by: Dutchling on July 01, 2013, 02:53:17 pm
Not saying it's wrong though.
Post by: Descan on July 01, 2013, 02:58:57 pm
Post by: da_nang on July 01, 2013, 03:04:14 pm
I'm not rounding down, I'm just not going into the decimal because it is commonly known that thirds result in repeating numbers.You're truncating it. However, truncated numbers usually don't work well in arithmetic in terms of accuracy e.g. 66% + 33% = 99% whereas 67% + 33% = 100%. Floating point arithmetic has to deal with this problem. Rounding it usually results in a smaller error.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on July 01, 2013, 03:04:29 pm
i.e. if you have a ruler that measures tenths of inches, and one edge of a piece of paper is a 0 and one edge is between 10.1" and 10.2" then you would round the length of the paper to 10.15".
following the rules of significant figures, in a sample of H2O you would indeed have 67 hydrogen : 33 oxygen, assuming that is that the most accurate calibration on the measuring device was the hundred's place.
EDIT: and also by the rules of rounding 66.66666666 would be indeed be rounded up to 67, assuming that's where you're rounding to.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 01, 2013, 03:06:23 pm
Post by: da_nang on July 01, 2013, 03:14:15 pm
Mostly moot discussion. If you care about precision, you likely won't be doing any rounding at all. If you don't care about precision, you likely won't care if the least significant digit is +- 1.It's in percent. So least significant digit is +- 0.01
:P
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on July 01, 2013, 03:16:43 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on July 01, 2013, 03:20:52 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on July 01, 2013, 03:24:49 pm
you'll have to round because measuring instruments are only so accurate, I'd love to get the exact dosage for some medicine to administer, but a machine can only be so accurate, so you'll need to round to the point at which the machine can measure.Aye, but at that level of precision, you probably don't care if the least significant digit is +- 1. 0.00001 mg less of medicine for someone isn't going to kill or save them.
You would probably care about +- 1 gram, but your instruments are more precise than that (as precise as they need to be).
Post by: da_nang on July 01, 2013, 03:26:17 pm
In the wonderful world of Physics, we round calculated values to the same number of SigFig as our instruments can measure... so 66.666 could easily be 67.And if you're using a log scale, you never round to nearest integer e.g. pH-measurements.
Depends on how well-conditioned the system is, really. For instance, blood contains a buffer solution where the effect of acids and bases are decreased thus improving the condition number of the system. If the buffer solution wasn't there, however, the system would be ill-conditioned and a small introduction of an acid or base would have a much greater effect.you'll have to round because measuring instruments are only so accurate, I'd love to get the exact dosage for some medicine to administer, but a machine can only be so accurate, so you'll need to round to the point at which the machine can measure.Aye, but at that level of precision, you probably don't care if the least significant digit is +- 1. 0.00001 mg less of medicine for someone isn't going to kill or save them.
You would probably care about +- 1 gram, but your instruments are more precise than that (as precise as they need to be).
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on July 01, 2013, 03:32:59 pm
you'll have to round because measuring instruments are only so accurate, I'd love to get the exact dosage for some medicine to administer, but a machine can only be so accurate, so you'll need to round to the point at which the machine can measure.Aye, but at that level of precision, you probably don't care if the least significant digit is +- 1. 0.00001 mg less of medicine for someone isn't going to kill or save them.
You would probably care about +- 1 gram, but your instruments are more precise than that (as precise as they need to be).
agreed. Practical utility is limited, but important.
Post by: GlyphGryph on July 01, 2013, 10:03:09 pm
"Do not take Lunesta if you are allergic to anything in it"
Thank you for the WONDERFUL piece of advice, Lunesta!
Post by: SealyStar on July 02, 2013, 09:22:50 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 02, 2013, 09:39:26 am
Post by: SealyStar on July 02, 2013, 09:44:11 am
You just got Poe'd.
Dammit.
I probably should have realized that. It started off like any other SJW blog, but by the end of the FAQ I began to think something was up. To be fair, it is a unnervingly accurate portrayal of far too many allegedly-serious Tumblrs.
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 02, 2013, 09:47:18 am
Post by: Mech#4 on July 02, 2013, 10:36:30 am
Sweet mercy, that's, uh, that's, wow. It's like it bundled up all the crap that I hear about Tumblr spewing and bundled it together in one incoherent rant.So it was someone taking it all together and bundling it into one rant. I'm not sure if I'm amused or bothered by that.
Anyways, I took a walk yesterday, thought I'd swing by a fireworks tent set up next to the supermarket. It's being manned by three cronies that I recognize as being from my high school. They don't say much as they recognize me as I walk in, and I them, so the one starts playing with a lighter and then the second takes it and lights up a cigarette.
In a fireworks tent.
There's a sign right on the outside that says no smoking.
I didn't even bother to look at their wares and promptly left lest something explode. I mean, I knew these guys were your typical graduate mooks, but seriously?
If you heard an explosion, I hope you kept walking. :P 8)
Post by: MaximumZero on July 02, 2013, 10:57:33 am
/me cancels attend History Class: Hand buried in face.
Post by: Graknorke on July 03, 2013, 08:24:56 am
Some posted a comment along the lines of "Try better next time this sucks", which was a fair enough comment. The creator of the video made a really sarky comment back. Then a fan of his posted.
Quote from: That Very Comment
dont be nice to him call him a fag for saying that.
Post by: Oliolli on July 03, 2013, 08:56:57 am
Quote from: Kaianacoel
A thread about the most stupid things ever seen on the internet brought me here.
Which one of you was it?
Post by: OREOSOME on July 03, 2013, 08:59:17 am
Another comment from that video:Not me. Unless... There exists another thread, identical in purpose to this very one, but on a different board!Quote from: KaianacoelA thread about the most stupid things ever seen on the internet brought me here.
Which one of you was it?
Post by: Graknorke on July 03, 2013, 09:13:25 am
Wasn't me either. Chariots.Another comment from that video:Not me. Unless... There exists another thread, identical in purpose to this very one, but on a different board!Quote from: KaianacoelA thread about the most stupid things ever seen on the internet brought me here.
Which one of you was it?
Post by: miauw62 on July 03, 2013, 09:26:46 am
Another comment from that video:There's a B12er by the name of Kaianacoel, I think.Quote from: KaianacoelA thread about the most stupid things ever seen on the internet brought me here.
Which one of you was it?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 03, 2013, 09:51:24 am
Post by: Graknorke on July 03, 2013, 10:09:27 am
Post by: MaximumZero on July 03, 2013, 10:54:55 am
There's a joke?Yeah, I guess I missed that, too.
Post by: miauw62 on July 03, 2013, 11:17:13 am
Unless the two posts above me are jokes. In which case I'll get out of here before the level of meta-joke becomes so high that it becomes unmanageable.
Post by: tahujdt on July 03, 2013, 12:06:21 pm
I didn't know there was a joke either.Ha ha.
Unless the two posts above me are jokes. In which case I'll get out of here before the level of meta-joke becomes so high that it becomes unmanageable.
Wait, what?
Post by: Oliolli on July 03, 2013, 01:23:04 pm
Which post supposedly contained a joke? Please don't tell me you're talking about my previous post...
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 03, 2013, 01:42:38 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 03, 2013, 02:47:44 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 03, 2013, 04:26:12 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 03, 2013, 04:37:53 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 03, 2013, 06:15:43 pm
WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDWHY IS EVERYONE MAKING WORDS IN CAPITAL CHARACTERSBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
Post by: Sirus on July 03, 2013, 06:18:26 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 03, 2013, 06:21:03 pm
STOP YELLING, GODDAMMIT.*shoosh*
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 03, 2013, 06:21:24 pm
Post by: Devling on July 03, 2013, 07:11:49 pm
Post by: Steelmagic on July 03, 2013, 09:37:39 pm
DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDWHY IS EVERYONE MAKING WORDS IN CAPITAL CHARACTERSBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
Post by: Eotyrannus on July 04, 2013, 09:57:37 am
CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDWHY IS EVERYONE MAKING WORDS IN CAPITAL CHARACTERSBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
Post by: Slayerhero90 on July 04, 2013, 01:16:17 pm
I PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDWHY IS EVERYONE MAKING WORDS IN CAPITAL CHARACTERSBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
Post by: tomio175 on July 04, 2013, 02:22:54 pm
i like bothI PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDWHY IS EVERYONE MAKING WORDS IN CAPITAL CHARACTERSBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
Post by: Oliolli on July 05, 2013, 01:45:57 am
You didn't use shift for the period.I PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDWHY IS EVERYONE MAKING WORDS IN CAPITAL CHARACTERSBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
Post by: Slayerhero90 on July 05, 2013, 01:58:32 am
I JUST HATE CAPSLOCK SO I HOLD DOWN SHIFT UNTIL THERE'S A PUNCTUATION I NEED TO NOT SHIFTIFY.You didn't use shift for the period.I PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDWHY IS EVERYONE MAKING WORDS IN CAPITAL CHARACTERSBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 05, 2013, 02:24:37 am
WE SHOULD ALL AMPLIFY OUR RELAXED STATESI JUST HATE CAPSLOCK SO I HOLD DOWN SHIFT UNTIL THERE'S A PUNCTUATION I NEED TO NOT SHIFTIFY.You didn't use shift for the period.I PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDHELP I'M TRAPPED IN A CHINESE QUOTE PYRAMID FACTORYBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
Post by: Sabretache on July 05, 2013, 02:31:40 am
WE SHOULD ALL AMPLIFY OUR RELAXED STATESI JUST HATE CAPSLOCK SO I HOLD DOWN SHIFT UNTIL THERE'S A PUNCTUATION I NEED TO NOT SHIFTIFY.You didn't use shift for the period.I PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDHELP I'M TRAPPED IN A CHINESE QUOTE PYRAMID FACTORYBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
DON'T WORRY LOUD WISPERS, I'LL SAVE YOU!
Post by: Devling on July 05, 2013, 02:44:18 am
WE ALL NEED TO CALM DOWN AND STOP YELLING.DON'T WORRY LOUD WISPERS, I'LL SAVE YOU!WE SHOULD ALL AMPLIFY OUR RELAXED STATESI JUST HATE CAPSLOCK SO I HOLD DOWN SHIFT UNTIL THERE'S A PUNCTUATION I NEED TO NOT SHIFTIFY.You didn't use shift for the period.I PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDHELP I'M TRAPPED IN A CHINESE QUOTE PYRAMID FACTORYBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
Post by: Putnam on July 05, 2013, 03:29:27 am
Post by: da_nang on July 05, 2013, 03:32:22 am
-snip-STOP! SLEDGEHAMMER TIME!
Post by: SealyStar on July 05, 2013, 09:24:40 am
NOPE, KEEP BUILDING THAT PYRAMID LIKE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS!WE ALL NEED TO CALM DOWN AND STOP YELLING.DON'T WORRY LOUD WISPERS, I'LL SAVE YOU!WE SHOULD ALL AMPLIFY OUR RELAXED STATESI JUST HATE CAPSLOCK SO I HOLD DOWN SHIFT UNTIL THERE'S A PUNCTUATION I NEED TO NOT SHIFTIFY.You didn't use shift for the period.I PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDHELP I'M TRAPPED IN A CHINESE QUOTE PYRAMID FACTORYBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
Post by: Skyrunner on July 05, 2013, 09:52:44 am
Post by: SealyStar on July 05, 2013, 09:58:48 am
Isn't building quote pyramids bad for the forum?...
Probably.
Buzzkill.
Post by: Dutchling on July 05, 2013, 09:58:58 am
Isn't building quote pyramids bad for the forum?I think that's a myth.
Post by: Eotyrannus on July 05, 2013, 10:14:28 am
I KNOW HOW TO KEEP CALMNOPE, KEEP BUILDING THAT PYRAMID LIKE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS!WE ALL NEED TO CALM DOWN AND STOP YELLING.DON'T WORRY LOUD WISPERS, I'LL SAVE YOU!WE SHOULD ALL AMPLIFY OUR RELAXED STATESI JUST HATE CAPSLOCK SO I HOLD DOWN SHIFT UNTIL THERE'S A PUNCTUATION I NEED TO NOT SHIFTIFY.You didn't use shift for the period.I PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDHELP I'M TRAPPED IN A CHINESE QUOTE PYRAMID FACTORYBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59guruVL4o
Post by: tahujdt on July 05, 2013, 10:52:49 am
ALL QUOTE PYRAMIDS MUST BE EXTERMINATED!I KNOW HOW TO KEEP CALMNOPE, KEEP BUILDING THAT PYRAMID LIKE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS!WE ALL NEED TO CALM DOWN AND STOP YELLING.DON'T WORRY LOUD WISPERS, I'LL SAVE YOU!WE SHOULD ALL AMPLIFY OUR RELAXED STATESI JUST HATE CAPSLOCK SO I HOLD DOWN SHIFT UNTIL THERE'S A PUNCTUATION I NEED TO NOT SHIFTIFY.You didn't use shift for the period.I PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDHELP I'M TRAPPED IN A CHINESE QUOTE PYRAMID FACTORYBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59guruVL4o
Post by: Gamerlord on July 05, 2013, 11:03:35 am
ALL GLORY TO THE QUOTE.ALL QUOTE PYRAMIDS MUST BE EXTERMINATED!I KNOW HOW TO KEEP CALMNOPE, KEEP BUILDING THAT PYRAMID LIKE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS!WE ALL NEED TO CALM DOWN AND STOP YELLING.DON'T WORRY LOUD WISPERS, I'LL SAVE YOU!WE SHOULD ALL AMPLIFY OUR RELAXED STATESI JUST HATE CAPSLOCK SO I HOLD DOWN SHIFT UNTIL THERE'S A PUNCTUATION I NEED TO NOT SHIFTIFY.You didn't use shift for the period.I PREFER THE SHIFT KEY.CAPS LOCK IS BEST BUTTON, IS IT NOT?DRIVE MY HAWKMEN, DRIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpKuYbJQK4)HOPKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=SelfDemonstrating.BRIANBLESSED)WHO THE FUCK IS BRIAN BLESSEDHELP I'M TRAPPED IN A CHINESE QUOTE PYRAMID FACTORYBECAUSE WE ARE ALL BRIAN BLESSED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59guruVL4o
Post by: MonkeyHead on July 05, 2013, 11:05:08 am
I for one would not like to see a thread locked for no reason.
Post by: miauw62 on July 05, 2013, 11:06:21 am
Post by: Shakerag on July 05, 2013, 11:14:24 am
Cleaned up a quote pyramid. Please don't make those. They lag many browsers and are rude to people trying to read the thread.
Post by: da_nang on July 05, 2013, 11:36:10 am
Dear god, we're reaching quote-pyramid levels that are close to YOU ALWAYS ROLL FIVE levels D: D: D:This was just a single pyramid. That one was more like Pyramid Himalaya. At least.
Post by: frostshotgg on July 05, 2013, 11:48:23 am
Post by: Devling on July 05, 2013, 01:03:46 pm
Daily reminder that this is the stupid things you've heard people say, not things you've said yourself thread.You 'hear' yourself.
Unless you are deaf. Then you can say things without hearing them.
Post by: Xantalos on July 05, 2013, 01:17:19 pm
Yeah, that was just ridiculous. A pentaquote pyramid IIRC. It was beautiful.Dear god, we're reaching quote-pyramid levels that are close to YOU ALWAYS ROLL FIVE levels D: D: D:This was just a single pyramid. That one was more like Pyramid Himalaya. At least.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 05, 2013, 02:38:36 pm
Post by: Oliolli on July 05, 2013, 02:52:17 pm
easy.ispyramidquoteBuildinga
Post by: MaximumZero on July 05, 2013, 02:56:56 pm
Seriously, you guys should knock it off.Cleaned up a quote pyramid. Please don't make those. They lag many browsers and are rude to people trying to read the thread.
Post by: Bdthemag on July 05, 2013, 07:44:44 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on July 05, 2013, 07:49:28 pm
Post by: Morrigi on July 05, 2013, 10:15:10 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on July 05, 2013, 10:21:04 pm
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Post by: Mr Space Cat on July 05, 2013, 11:38:30 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 06, 2013, 07:35:03 am
Quote from: LoboPreto
Go on, suck as much cock as you want. Misinterpret nature in what ever way you think is necessary to justify your disorder. Just let those twinks keep fucking your ass and those dykes eating your carpet. Not a single one of you will ever have a meaningful relationship yet an actual relationship as you are nothing but perverted sex buddies. You will never be respectable, you are but a bunch of psychological cripples unable to cope with life's actual intention. Merely a sorry bunch living a lie!Do I get a prize?
Post by: GalenEvil on July 06, 2013, 08:28:27 am
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Post by: OREOSOME on July 06, 2013, 10:47:20 am
I can't help but hear that last part as sounding more rushed than the rest of the statement.It's compressed so hard that it's almost inside it's swarzschild radius.It's compressed so hard that it's almost inside it's swarzschild radius.Pity. An idiocy black hole could be moved around to suck up the idiocy of other comments, thus resulting in less and less stupid until the idiocy black hole had a large enough gravity field that it could self sustain by sitting still and sucking up other idiotic comments and this metaphor has gone on far too long and I have no idea where it is going.
Post by: ed boy on July 06, 2013, 11:57:52 am
But really. If your computer hangs up because of a quote pyramid, you're probably using a toaster powered by a potato.Some smartphones have trouble with large quote pyramids.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 06, 2013, 09:22:28 pm
-snip- (Quote pyramid)
Well I guess that means you, sir, are a space lizard.
Yes, there was a context
Post by: Oliolli on July 07, 2013, 03:12:33 am
-snip- (Quote pyramid)
Well I guess that means you, sir, are a space lizard.
Yes, there was a context
*Ssh*
Don't tell- it'sss a sssecret!
Post by: Flying Dice on July 07, 2013, 08:21:27 am
The tail sort of gives it away.-snip- (Quote pyramid)
Well I guess that means you, sir, are a space lizard.
Yes, there was a context
*Ssh*
Don't tell- it'sss a sssecret!
Post by: da_nang on July 07, 2013, 03:09:58 pm
That's why I hide mine in a secret compartment of my cloak. Also, train away obvious speech patterns and do the occasional pyramid smashing to throw agents off my tail.The tail sort of gives it away.-snip- (Quote pyramid)
Well I guess that means you, sir, are a space lizard.
Yes, there was a context
*Ssh*
Don't tell- it'sss a sssecret!
Don't tell anyone.
Post by: Oliolli on July 08, 2013, 05:26:40 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on July 08, 2013, 05:48:20 am
Post by: Truean on July 09, 2013, 04:40:00 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 09, 2013, 04:54:45 pm
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/woman-caught-tape-allegedly-planning-130057183.htmlI lol'd.
JULIA MERFELD has learn a new level 5 incompetech: Attempting to hire a random hitman!
Post by: Mephansteras on July 09, 2013, 04:56:12 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 09, 2013, 04:57:18 pm
You know, I hear so often about people getting caught like that I have to wonder if actual hitmen really exist.Yes they do. If you want to find them you can go to a library and look for a huge hench man in a suit typing on a tiny laptop with his huge sturdy fingers. If you laugh he'll kill you right there though. Just saying.
Post by: PanH on July 09, 2013, 05:00:25 pm
Now that you said it, all hitmen will have to leave libraries and go in other similar buildings.You know, I hear so often about people getting caught like that I have to wonder if actual hitmen really exist.Yes they do. If you want to find them you can go to a library and look for a huge hench man in a suit typing on a tiny laptop with his huge sturdy fingers. If you laugh he'll kill you right there though. Just saying.
Post by: Graknorke on July 09, 2013, 05:05:16 pm
Like churches? In that case you want to go into the confession booth all quiet like, slip the assignment through the window, and leave. Best case, you got the right place and the hitman does his thing. Worst case, it's an actual vicar and they aren't allowed to say anything because discretion rules.Now that you said it, all hitmen will have to leave libraries and go in other similar buildings.You know, I hear so often about people getting caught like that I have to wonder if actual hitmen really exist.Yes they do. If you want to find them you can go to a library and look for a huge hench man in a suit typing on a tiny laptop with his huge sturdy fingers. If you laugh he'll kill you right there though. Just saying.
Post by: SealyStar on July 09, 2013, 05:09:32 pm
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/woman-caught-tape-allegedly-planning-130057183.htmlI saw this. This woman's an idiot. Thinking she could just walk into a car and ask for a hitman.
The obvious solution is to make hitman vending machines. Keep trained hitmen in cryogenic tubes, and thaw them out from the machine when someone puts money in. You'd have to disguise the machine somehow, probably buy up a suburban house or abandoned warehouse or something.
Post by: PanH on July 09, 2013, 05:14:36 pm
Actually, we have a rule : the less likely you look like a hitman, the more you seem to look like a hitman. Looking like a hitman draws less attention.
Post by: SealyStar on July 09, 2013, 05:15:14 pm
Vicars ARE hitmen.Cute little babies are all hitmen in disguise.
Actually, we have a rule : the less likely you look like a hitman, the more you seem to look like a hitman. Looking like a hitman draws less attention.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 09, 2013, 05:42:32 pm
Vicars ARE hitmen.Cute little babies are all hitmen in disguise.
Actually, we have a rule : the less likely you look like a hitman, the more you seem to look like a hitman. Looking like a hitman draws less attention.
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Post by: Graknorke on July 09, 2013, 05:44:19 pm
I've seen less anime babies with guns.
Post by: SealyStar on July 09, 2013, 06:11:28 pm
Vicars ARE hitmen.Cute little babies are all hitmen in disguise.
Actually, we have a rule : the less likely you look like a hitman, the more you seem to look like a hitman. Looking like a hitman draws less attention.Spoiler: There are mangas of everything (click to show/hide)
Dammit, Japan!
Post by: misko27 on July 09, 2013, 06:16:58 pm
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120519152142/tomska/images/thumb/c/cb/Baby_With_A_Gun/330px-Baby_With_A_Gun.jpg)Less? So smaller babies?
I've seen less anime babies with guns.
Post by: Graknorke on July 09, 2013, 06:21:05 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on July 09, 2013, 06:49:56 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on July 09, 2013, 07:06:20 pm
doesn't it bother you guys that she did it while wearing a batman sweater?
Post by: Xantalos on July 09, 2013, 07:07:02 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 09, 2013, 07:07:34 pm
the dark knight just doesn't care anymore
Post by: Steelmagic on July 09, 2013, 07:15:04 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on July 09, 2013, 11:35:09 pm
Post by: tahujdt on July 10, 2013, 12:00:51 am
Vicars ARE hitmen.Douglas Adams touched on that. I haven't read Dirk Gently in a while, but there was something about the kind of hat a detective wears.
Actually, we have a rule : the less likely you look like a hitman, the more you seem to look like a hitman. Looking like a hitman draws less attention.
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 10, 2013, 11:38:03 am
Like how euphoric they are.Vicars ARE hitmen.Douglas Adams touched on that. I haven't read Dirk Gently in a while, but there was something about the kind of hat a detective wears.
Actually, we have a rule : the less likely you look like a hitman, the more you seem to look like a hitman. Looking like a hitman draws less attention.
No, no. The fact that it was split by a zipper is obviously a symbol of her rejection of Bats and his ideals. So in other words she was making a statement both about her moral compass and her competence.Now if she had made a pun about the ice age I bet she would have gotten off scotch freeze.
Post by: Sirus on July 10, 2013, 10:45:07 pm
Post by: Morrigi on July 11, 2013, 02:15:55 am
Post by: Oliolli on July 11, 2013, 05:09:36 am
Post by: javierpwn on July 11, 2013, 05:34:50 am
And blame the White guy just to add insult to injury!
Post by: Steelmagic on July 11, 2013, 05:35:54 am
Post by: SealyStar on July 11, 2013, 07:19:55 am
Post by: Mr Space Cat on July 11, 2013, 07:45:36 pm
It's carried on so long it's questionable why people bother fussing about it. Just, like, move on, man, and let the past be the past, dude. Gnarly.
Post by: tahujdt on July 11, 2013, 08:07:15 pm
I don't see what the huge fuss is about, at this point. All the media attention and arguments about it seem just way too into it for a case of a single cop shooting (hypothetically in self defense) a single teenager who just so happened to be of a minority race.Amen.
It's carried on so long it's questionable why people bother fussing about it. Just, like, move on, man, and let the past be the past, dude. Gnarly.
Post by: SealyStar on July 11, 2013, 08:16:19 pm
I don't see what the huge fuss is about, at this point. All the media attention and arguments about it seem just way too into it for a case of a single cop shooting (hypothetically in self defense) a single teenager who just so happened to be of a minority race.Amen.
It's carried on so long it's questionable why people bother fussing about it. Just, like, move on, man, and let the past be the past, dude. Gnarly.
Yeah, especially since there are probably several similar cases per day across the country.
Post by: Putnam on July 11, 2013, 09:00:07 pm
I don't see what the huge fuss is about, at this point. All the media attention and arguments about it seem just way too into it for a case of a single cop shooting (hypothetically in self defense) a single teenager who just so happened to be of a minority race.
It's carried on so long it's questionable why people bother fussing about it. Just, like, move on, man, and let the past be the past, dude. Gnarly.
He's not a police officer...
Post by: Mr Space Cat on July 12, 2013, 12:10:21 am
Ah, well, this is proof the whole thing has been news way too long if the details of when it first got big are too fuzzy for me to remember accurately. :PI don't see what the huge fuss is about, at this point. All the media attention and arguments about it seem just way too into it for a case of a single cop shooting (hypothetically in self defense) a single teenager who just so happened to be of a minority race.
It's carried on so long it's questionable why people bother fussing about it. Just, like, move on, man, and let the past be the past, dude. Gnarly.
He's not a police officer...
Post by: kingfisher1112 on July 12, 2013, 12:13:59 am
I don't see what the huge fuss is about, at this point. All the media attention and arguments about it seem just way too into it for a case of a single cop shooting (hypothetically in self defense) a single teenager who just so happened to be of a minority race.People have been saying they are gonna riot. The media has also waaaaayy overdone it. I really really hope those people saying they are gonna riot are trolls. I don't want L.A riots V2.0. That's mainly why everybody is so worked up about it. It's been portrayed as a race thing.
It's carried on so long it's questionable why people bother fussing about it. Just, like, move on, man, and let the past be the past, dude. Gnarly.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 12, 2013, 12:32:22 am
In this case, people already believe that US law enforcement is racist, and they've chosen to latch onto the Zimmerman Case because it fits that narrative very well (as the writers for the news are aware). The Zimmerman case didn't make people mad, they were already dissatisfied and this incident has given them something specific to direct their anger towards.
Post by: Descan on July 12, 2013, 12:38:01 am
Post by: Knight of Fools on July 12, 2013, 09:58:00 pm
...the stuff we're made of is important? You don't say!
Post by: Sabretache on July 13, 2013, 01:11:50 am
TV Commercial: "Cell health plays a key role in our lives!"
...the stuff we're made of is important? You don't say!
Such is the wisdom of TV.
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 13, 2013, 07:24:19 am
TV Commercial: "Cell health plays a key role in our lives!"Celebrities: They use BAGS!
...the stuff we're made of is important? You don't say!
They're just like NORMAL PEOPLE!
-Tabloid commercial
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on July 13, 2013, 07:27:33 am
Post by: Graknorke on July 13, 2013, 07:28:27 am
when my mother was a child she thought rich people didn't defecateOf course not, they have servants to do it for them.
Post by: IronTomato on July 13, 2013, 08:11:40 am
I had played MGS1, and bought MGS2 on ebay because it was so good. I looked up some videos of it on the 'Tube, and this is what I got.
Post by: Parsely on July 13, 2013, 09:14:05 am
"I hear it's amazing when the purple stuffed worm in flapjaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink or Hara-Kiri Rock! I NEED SCISSORS, 61!"
I had played MGS1, and bought MGS2 on ebay because it was so good. I looked up some videos of it on the 'Tube, and this is what I got.
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MGS4 I've beaten 3-7 times total, and I'm stuck on the motorcycle battle on my Extreme Big Boss Emblem run. That one's been on pause for almost a year now.
MGS1 I've beaten once (maybe twice?). I can't even remember where I was on my second (third?) Extreme run. Probably the gas room, or Sniper Wolf.
MGS3 I've beaten exactly twice. I'm so bad at that one. I just don't have the patience to change my camo all the time, which you have to do in order to play even casually without getting your ass kicked. I think maybe I tried an Extreme run once, but couldn't get past the Virtuous Mission (the prologue) and didn't even bother saving it.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 13, 2013, 09:23:03 am
The hardest things were easily
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Post by: Gamerlord on July 13, 2013, 11:09:12 am
It's not really what people say even though it kind of is but it gets on my nerves when people put words in my mouth or repeat themselves to me like I'm some braindead buffoon just because of either my age or my disabilities. The words that come out of these mouths that decide they want to underestimate my knowledge and understanding of the world in general are stupid, insidious, and often times frequently inspire thoughts of eugenics, genocide and mass sterilization in my mind. It's no wonder why I hate most people when this sort of thing happens whenever I interact with someone on a day-to-day basis.Welcome to the club.
Post by: Parsely on July 13, 2013, 07:33:48 pm
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Post by: MadMalkavian on July 14, 2013, 04:41:29 am
Well to be fair most of the stuff I went through as a child that ended up with me developing Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder kind of is what lead to me hating most people, and even then what I mentioned in my earlier post just reinforces that loathing where it is applicable. Usually then though my hate is directed more towards those in my age group and those younger than me who pull this kind of shit.It's not really what people say even though it kind of is but it gets on my nerves when people put words in my mouth or repeat themselves to me like I'm some braindead buffoon just because of either my age or my disabilities. The words that come out of these mouths that decide they want to underestimate my knowledge and understanding of the world in general are stupid, insidious, and often times frequently inspire thoughts of eugenics, genocide and mass sterilization in my mind. It's no wonder why I hate most people when this sort of thing happens whenever I interact with someone on a day-to-day basis.Welcome to the club.
I'm more willing to tolerate it if it's someone who is in their forties, fifties, sixties or beyond that happens to be doing this as despite my knowledge and my understanding of the world and the things within it there are those who have more experience than I do who might be able to help me. The problem is that sometimes they do this without knowing my circumstances, which leads me to wanting to tear out their jugular vein or something similar. In fact I tend to prefer being given advice from someone who is within my inner circle, which means that I would rather get my advice from my mother than that miserable old conservative woman that thinks I'm just another drunk party-going college student who just the other day said that it's okay for Christians to lie. It's not okay to lie. I was raised to understand that honesty is the best policy and as far as I'm concerned if you don't want to say something to someone then just don't say it.
...I think I need a nice, strong drink after reminiscing about that.
Post by: tomio175 on July 14, 2013, 12:53:55 pm
You'd have hated me when I was little.People with a (non-mental/minor mental) disability were basically the only people that I've actually talked with and that actually didn't exclude me as a person from their group. They're nice people, if you're in luck. They can be assholes about some things too, but in my experience, they usually aren't.
Social awkwardness and my lack of having dealt with people with... basically any form of disability outside broken bones made me really awful when it came to people with them. Not out of spite, but out of sheer social ineptitude.
Post by: Eotyrannus on July 14, 2013, 01:13:05 pm
I've found that, the majority of the time, people with mental disability are actually the more normal ones. And by 'normal' I mean 'doesn't act like a complete idiot for no good reason'. Of course, in both groups, there are exceptions. A kid in a wheelchair with autism telling a not-particularly-nice ginger girl to go to a 'ginger concentration camp' springs to mind.You'd have hated me when I was little.People with a (non-mental/minor mental) disability were basically the only people that I've actually talked with and that actually didn't exclude me as a person from their group. They're nice people, if you're in luck. They can be assholes about some things too, but in my experience, they usually aren't.
Social awkwardness and my lack of having dealt with people with... basically any form of disability outside broken bones made me really awful when it came to people with them. Not out of spite, but out of sheer social ineptitude.
Post by: kaijyuu on July 14, 2013, 01:16:14 pm
Post by: misko27 on July 14, 2013, 01:35:39 pm
There's only one truly valid generalization you can make about people: People are varied. There are assholes and good people in every group.I will go one further. Humans are far more varied then people imagine they are, and are more varied then they can imagine. This actually explains different philosophy's pretty well, as, for example, Libertarians have difficulty imagining anyone would willingly want to live in a more protected and less, thinking of a unloaded word here, allowing society.
My sister(Who has Asperger's) would vouch for this. There are some nice kids out there, and some absolutely massive asshats in training.I've found that, the majority of the time, people with mental disability are actually the more normal ones. And by 'normal' I mean 'doesn't act like a complete idiot for no good reason'. Of course, in both groups, there are exceptions. A kid in a wheelchair with autism telling a not-particularly-nice ginger girl to go to a 'ginger concentration camp' springs to mind.You'd have hated me when I was little.People with a (non-mental/minor mental) disability were basically the only people that I've actually talked with and that actually didn't exclude me as a person from their group. They're nice people, if you're in luck. They can be assholes about some things too, but in my experience, they usually aren't.
Social awkwardness and my lack of having dealt with people with... basically any form of disability outside broken bones made me really awful when it came to people with them. Not out of spite, but out of sheer social ineptitude.
Post by: Eotyrannus on July 14, 2013, 01:37:27 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on July 14, 2013, 01:50:09 pm
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There were probably many Jews who died in the Holocaust who were Christians.
Full quote is here: http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=12775
Post by: Sirus on July 14, 2013, 01:51:11 pm
Meanwhile, on FSTDT, I found this:Oh come on, quoting FSTDT isn't fair. That's like quoting YouTube comments.QuoteThere were probably many Jews who died in the Holocaust who were Christians.
Full quote is here: http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=12775
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2013, 02:12:31 pm
Post by: Gamerlord on July 14, 2013, 02:17:52 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 14, 2013, 03:22:53 pm
And I'm fairly certain the Nazis killed any jews (ethnicity), regardless of their religion.
The only way to be sure of that would to be a Nazi.
/me stares at Gamerlord questioningly.
checkmate atheists
Post by: Gamerlord on July 14, 2013, 03:24:48 pm
*Gamerlord stares back at LordSlowpoke questioningly.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 14, 2013, 03:31:23 pm
That sounds like something a Nazi would say to get suspicion off their back.
*Gamerlord stares back at LordSlowpoke questioningly.
Who, me? I'm sorry, I didn't exactly hear you over the sound of burgers and a thousand eagles singing praise of the Fü- founding fathers and FREEDOMS. Now if you excuse me, I appear to have left my grill on with all the barbecue on it so~
/me quickly jumps into a conveniently parked spaceship and departs for the moon!
Post by: Sirus on July 14, 2013, 03:35:04 pm
I will defeat you...
in a game of MAHJONG!
Post by: scrdest on July 14, 2013, 03:41:11 pm
And I'm fairly certain the Nazis killed any jews (ethnicity), regardless of their religion.
Yes and no. If you were ethnically Jewish, it's off to death camp with you, and everyone following Judaism the religion is ethnically a Jew by definition. However, if someone could pass for a non-Jew based on the looks, then being or pretending to be Christian could allow them to blend in well enough to survive.
Post by: misko27 on July 14, 2013, 03:51:58 pm
Of course, a ton of non-Jewish ethnicities were tossed in as well. It was mostly racial.
Post by: Ross Vernal on July 14, 2013, 04:00:10 pm
Fun fact: Stephanie von Hohenlohe was probably Hitler's favorite Jewish person. Of course, that may have something to do with her "honorary Aryan" status...
Moving on:
"We rebelled against the English because of Catholics."
-Actual thing a MEGAREPUBLICAN™ at work said on the 3rd of July
Post by: scrdest on July 14, 2013, 04:21:35 pm
I remember my friend telling me that apparently the Nazis in Britain (they were apparently mocked for how the acted and dressed, over here) tried to convince the prominent Jewish figures to support them. Which didn't succeed.
If they did, Too Dumb To Live wouldn't even START to cover that. I mean... I can't even see the beginning of this chain of logic.
On the other hand, after the Protocols of the Elders of Zion came out and half of the world (hyperbole, OK?) was using it as a reason to persecute Jews, Japan decided that they'd actually kinda like to be friends with the mysterious people everyone and their dog says are controlling where do you buy your cornflakes.
Post by: Helgoland on July 14, 2013, 04:35:54 pm
(But I doubt that many antisemites know how to use basic logic anyway...)
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 14, 2013, 04:40:40 pm
Main argument against antisemitic conspiracy theories: If they are true, how come Jews were persecuted all the time?They'd answer with "And who told you that, the government?"
(But I doubt that many antisemites know how to use basic logic anyway...)
Post by: scrdest on July 14, 2013, 04:53:26 pm
At which point I'd point out I have apparently been brainwashed byMain argument against antisemitic conspiracy theories: If they are true, how come Jews were persecuted all the time?They'd answer with "And who told you that, the government?"
(But I doubt that many antisemites know how to use basic logic anyway...)the governmentDwarf Fortress into being a fundie atheist communist nazi who is more than happy to murder a child and has no morals.
FTFY.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 14, 2013, 04:53:27 pm
Instead of processing your answer, they would then explain in quite some detail exactly how the government managed to retcon history, and make you responsible for it all.At which point I'd point out I have apparently been brainwashed by the government into being a fundie atheist communist nazi who is more than happy to murder a child and has no morals.Main argument against antisemitic conspiracy theories: If they are true, how come Jews were persecuted all the time?They'd answer with "And who told you that, the government?"
(But I doubt that many antisemites know how to use basic logic anyway...)
Post by: scrdest on July 14, 2013, 05:02:39 pm
Instead of processing your answer, they would then explain in quite some detail exactly how the government managed to retcon history, and make you responsible for it all.At which point I'd point out I have apparently been brainwashed by the government into being a fundie atheist communist nazi who is more than happy to murder a child and has no morals.Main argument against antisemitic conspiracy theories: If they are true, how come Jews were persecuted all the time?They'd answer with "And who told you that, the government?"
(But I doubt that many antisemites know how to use basic logic anyway...)
You know, it's kinda amazing how, in all conspiracy theories, DA GUBAHMINT manages to cover up aliens, ghosts, ancient conspiracies, different kinds of aliens and secret mind control projects given how inept it is at everything else.
Post by: Graknorke on July 14, 2013, 05:03:56 pm
Really DF is only 1, maybe 2 steps removed from the government. Depends on whether Tarn is a real person hired by the government or just a fictional identity manufactured by the government for the purpose of distributing DF.At which point I'd point out I have apparently been brainwashed byMain argument against antisemitic conspiracy theories: If they are true, how come Jews were persecuted all the time?They'd answer with "And who told you that, the government?"
(But I doubt that many antisemites know how to use basic logic anyway...)the governmentDwarf Fortress into being a fundie atheist communist nazi who is more than happy to murder a child and has no morals.
FTFY.
Post by: Steelmagic on July 14, 2013, 05:07:01 pm
Post by: scrdest on July 14, 2013, 05:11:16 pm
That's all part of the plan. You don't think they can and so you doubt it. Or you know, it could mostly be bullshit, either one.
Ah, but that's what THEY want you to think!
Post by: Steelmagic on July 14, 2013, 05:13:38 pm
Holy shit. The chain never ends. No matter how much you think you have it figured out, you're being tricked.That's all part of the plan. You don't think they can and so you doubt it. Or you know, it could mostly be bullshit, either one.
Ah, but that's what THEY want you to think!
Post by: SealyStar on July 14, 2013, 07:09:02 pm
Main argument against antisemitic conspiracy theories: If they are true, how come Jews were persecuted all the time?They probably think that Jews actually plan to be intentionally persecuted, and are willing to suffer some to advance their agenda.
(But I doubt that many antisemites know how to use basic logic anyway...)
Anything more than minor discrimination - i.e. the Holocaust, Middle Eastern rage - is either a lie from the Dirty Kike Regime, or the work of "good" governments who realized what the Jews were up to.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 14, 2013, 07:17:00 pm
Main argument against antisemitic conspiracy theories: If they are true, how come Jews were persecuted all the time?
(But I doubt that many antisemites know how to use basic logic anyway...)
because of all the conspiracies they're always up to checkmate atheists
i don't consider myself an antisemite but there's a lot of shit both israel (and by extension, their citizens, since their government's a democracy) and their enemies should be ashamed of and this is the most detail i'm getting into outside of a dedicated thread because i don't like shitting up nice threads
Post by: Putnam on July 14, 2013, 07:18:57 pm
(Not quite defending Israel specifically so much as saying that Israel isn't special in that.)
Also, how do people think that large groups of spread-out people can act in a coordinated manner with no leadership involved without someone in the group messing it up?
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 14, 2013, 07:33:09 pm
i'm fairly sure democracy's a bad thing (as in, "churchill had this one right", not "HAIL GLORIOUS LEADER") bu-
i just nuked a paragraph because
i don't like shitting up nice threadsand discussing this will shit up a nice thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 14, 2013, 07:46:39 pm
Yeah, but that goes for every government, even moreso for governments surrounded by enemies.Everyone who isn't a Lannister is an enemy.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on July 14, 2013, 08:09:38 pm
Especially those Yorkists.Yeah, but that goes for every government, even moreso for governments surrounded by enemies.Everyone who isn't a Lannister is an enemy.
Post by: Devling on July 14, 2013, 08:44:41 pm
And the traitor Starks!Especially those Yorkists.Yeah, but that goes for every government, even moreso for governments surrounded by enemies.Everyone who isn't a Lannister is an enemy.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on July 14, 2013, 09:38:48 pm
FOR LANCASTERAnd the traitor Starks!Especially those Yorkists.Yeah, but that goes for every government, even moreso for governments surrounded by enemies.Everyone who isn't a Lannister is an enemy.
Post by: Ross Vernal on July 14, 2013, 09:41:25 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on July 14, 2013, 09:50:13 pm
are you deliberately trying to mess my brain up using semantics because i don't like semantics and coordination - in my mind at least - means there's some leadership somewhere along the way (or a hivemind involved)
i'm fairly sure democracy's a bad thing (as in, "churchill had this one right", not "HAIL GLORIOUS LEADER") bu-
Remember the second half of that quote, though. Democracy tends to be the least evil among those that can function on some worthwhile level. The ideal forms of government (in my mind, either a true-Marxist eutopia in which everyone works together for the common good without turning creepy, stratified, and repressive; or an absolute monarchy ruled by a line of philosopher-king/queens who genuinely strive to preserve the freedoms and well-being of their subjects above all else) can't exist because human nature prevents them from being sustainable, so we have to settle for what we can get.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on July 14, 2013, 11:17:31 pm
Post by: Sirus on July 14, 2013, 11:19:36 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on July 14, 2013, 11:23:03 pm
i propose absolute monarchy governed by a benevolent super AI. then we wouldn't have to deal with the problems of human nature... just the risks of relying on an AI to make moral judgements
Post by: MaximumZero on July 14, 2013, 11:25:35 pm
What about Tony Stark?And the traitor Starks!Especially those Yorkists.Yeah, but that goes for every government, even moreso for governments surrounded by enemies.Everyone who isn't a Lannister is an enemy.
Post by: Xantalos on July 14, 2013, 11:31:19 pm
He's the bestWhat about Tony Stark?And the traitor Starks!Especially those Yorkists.Yeah, but that goes for every government, even moreso for governments surrounded by enemies.Everyone who isn't a Lannister is an enemy.
Around
And nothing's ever going to keep him down
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 15, 2013, 01:13:46 am
look around you, does it look like a stable society? in a sense, and to a point...
i propose absolute monarchy governed by a benevolent super AI. then we wouldn't have to deal with the problems of human nature... just the risks of relying on an AI to make moral judgements
Oops, forgot a semi-colon. Looks like WorldFoodDistribution.exe has crashed.
Post by: Oliolli on July 15, 2013, 01:48:12 am
look around you, does it look like a stable society? in a sense, and to a point...
i propose absolute monarchy governed by a benevolent super AI. then we wouldn't have to deal with the problems of human nature... just the risks of relying on an AI to make moral judgements
Oops, forgot a semi-colon. Looks like WorldFoodDistribution.exe has crashed.
Of course there would first be a trial run in some smaller area, so if it doesn't work, the damage is minimal.
Oops, forgot a semi-colon. Get Luxembourg some famine relief, quickly!
Post by: P(ony)SI on July 15, 2013, 02:34:21 am
look around you, does it look like a stable society? in a sense, and to a point...
i propose absolute monarchy governed by a benevolent super AI. then we wouldn't have to deal with the problems of human nature... just the risks of relying on an AI to make moral judgements
Oops, forgot a semi-colon. Looks like WorldFoodDistribution.exe has crashed.
If you forgot a semi-colon, the compiler would give you an error before the program ran. WFD.exe isn't crashing anytime soon.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 15, 2013, 03:18:24 am
Now, you might say "well can't this AI prevent any changes that go against its purpose?" Well, yeah, but sometimes radical changes would be necessary. How is the AI supposed to know what a reasonable reaction to a zombie apocalypse, or an alien invasion, or the discovery of teleportation would be? And sure the AI can learn and update itself itself, but that leads itself to the same problem: either the programmers only get to write the learning program once, or they are allowed to alter it over time and thus effectively rule the world.
Post by: Helgoland on July 15, 2013, 02:25:05 pm
But surely you agree that the human mind is - at least in principle - nothing more than a very complicated program? Then the computer program would just (That may be a slight understatement...) need that degree of complexity to make it a viable alternative. Not that that's coming up anywhere on the horizon, but still...
Post by: Descan on July 15, 2013, 02:35:54 pm
One of those desires would be to help humans. (not dystopia, "Save them from themselves!" help humans, so don't be an ass)
The other would be the desire to continue wanting to help humans.
So it wouldn't re-program itself to hate humans, any more than Ghandi would take a pill that would make him want to murder everyone.
Post by: Dutchling on July 15, 2013, 02:37:30 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 15, 2013, 02:41:14 pm
Post by: Dutchling on July 15, 2013, 02:41:46 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 15, 2013, 02:46:28 pm
Post by: Helgoland on July 15, 2013, 02:48:53 pm
Post by: Descan on July 15, 2013, 02:53:38 pm
If it already wanted to help humans, why would it reprogram itself to not want to?Reinforcing the idea as a failsafe.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on July 15, 2013, 07:41:11 pm
The idea would be to make an AI that has it's own wants and desires and the capability to modify it's own program.define "help humans", you'd have to define it very well and very objectively. keep in mind a computer program would be very literal and very efficient
One of those desires would be to help humans. (not dystopia, "Save them from themselves!" help humans, so don't be an ass)
The other would be the desire to continue wanting to help humans.
So it wouldn't re-program itself to hate humans, any more than Ghandi would take a pill that would make him want to murder everyone.
besides, "save them from themselves" is the reason i proposed an AI in the first place
Post by: Descan on July 15, 2013, 08:04:49 pm
Go look up Friendly AI. Someone's already done it. Well, defined it. Haven't made the AI yet, but they're working on it~!The idea would be to make an AI that has it's own wants and desires and the capability to modify it's own program.define "help humans", you'd have to define it very well and very objectively. keep in mind a computer program would be very literal and very efficient
One of those desires would be to help humans. (not dystopia, "Save them from themselves!" help humans, so don't be an ass)
The other would be the desire to continue wanting to help humans.
So it wouldn't re-program itself to hate humans, any more than Ghandi would take a pill that would make him want to murder everyone.
besides, "save them from themselves" is the reason i proposed an AI in the first place
Post by: DWC on July 15, 2013, 08:58:11 pm
Somebody made a good case for an AI-run government type system, but I'd rather the government just take it's advice rather then giving the AI the keys to everything and letting it do whatever it thinks is best.
Post by: Devling on July 15, 2013, 09:23:07 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 16, 2013, 12:46:43 am
It doesn't even need control of anything for that. It can do it from the position of any citizen What would you think would happen if people found out the AI manipulated stocks, even if it's only trying to prevent crashes. Or what if we found out it's been manipulating dating websites, and social network systems in an attempt to start up some hereditary eugenics program.
Post by: Max White on July 16, 2013, 01:32:20 am
Can computers be disillusioned? That seems like a very human trait.Yes. Easily. You tell it something that is false, and it will believe you. It will keep that information without ever questioning it for as long as its circuits are functional.
The reason this is ok for a computer and bad for a human is that humans become emotionally attached to their delusions.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 16, 2013, 03:16:43 am
Somebody made a good case for an AI-run government type system, but I'd rather the government just take it's advice rather then giving the AI the keys to everything and letting it do whatever it thinks is best.
The world is already run like that, its just a bunch of computers instead of a single AI.
Post by: Frumple on July 16, 2013, 03:34:08 am
Baseline software suites for the current set is optimized for stuff considerably different, t'boot, so even when its members try they're doing it with a highly inefficient set of programs. S'like trying to make music using MS Paint or something.
... do kinda' wonder, though. Why is it always a single AI running things? Why not networked stuff, hrm? That'd probably make it a lot easier to deal with potential screwups, too... only have to stop or correct a portion of the system instead of the whole kit n' k'boodle. S'basically what we're doing now, just using really crappy software and hardware for the job.
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 16, 2013, 06:09:09 am
It doesn't even need control of anything for that. It can do it from the position of any citizen What would you think would happen if people found out the AI manipulated stocks, even if it's only trying to prevent crashes. Or what if we found out it's been manipulating dating websites, and social network systems in an attempt to start up some hereditary eugenics program.That would be your fault for teaching it Lamarckian evolution.
Post by: Helgoland on July 16, 2013, 07:59:48 am
FTFY. Actually, an AI starting up a eugenics program seems pretty cool - and you'd pretty much have to teach it stuff like that, otherwise it wouldn't be able to judge, for example, the parameters for natural reserves or livestock breeding.It doesn't even need control of anything for that. It can do it from the position of any citizen What would you think would happen if people found out the AI manipulated stocks, even if it's only trying to prevent crashes. Or what if we found out it's been manipulating dating websites, and social network systems in an attempt to start up some hereditary eugenics program.That would be your fault for teaching it Darwinian evolution.
Post by: Graknorke on July 16, 2013, 10:56:21 am
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on July 16, 2013, 11:04:24 am
friendly means different things to different people, and as i've learned from reading and seeing a lot of media about genies and magically granted wishes, these kinds of things often have unforeseen undesirable consequences.Go look up Friendly AI. Someone's already done it. Well, defined it. Haven't made the AI yet, but they're working on it~!The idea would be to make an AI that has it's own wants and desires and the capability to modify it's own program.define "help humans", you'd have to define it very well and very objectively. keep in mind a computer program would be very literal and very efficient
One of those desires would be to help humans. (not dystopia, "Save them from themselves!" help humans, so don't be an ass)
The other would be the desire to continue wanting to help humans.
So it wouldn't re-program itself to hate humans, any more than Ghandi would take a pill that would make him want to murder everyone.
besides, "save them from themselves" is the reason i proposed an AI in the first place
the main problem is there is no objective "good" or "bad", there is only "better suited for a specific purpose". what is humanity's purpose? continued existence? what should be the AI's main priority? the good of the individual or the betterment of society? is it ok to alter human nature? what about the parts of human nature that really suck like conditions that cause chronic suffering or extreme antisocial behaviour(murder, rape, etc.)? and what should be it's priority for the good of each individual? longevity? happiness? comfort? some of these sometimes are inversely correlated with each other, so should the ai try to provide more comfort and higher standards of living if it's statistically correlated with higher incidence of depression and chronic unhappiness? or should it condition us to become comfortable being fleshy potatoes?
Post by: miauw62 on July 16, 2013, 11:09:27 am
Post by: tahujdt on July 16, 2013, 11:10:39 am
Stupid thread for most derailed thread 2013.It's only been going for a few pages now. Surely we've done better.
Post by: miauw62 on July 16, 2013, 11:13:40 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 16, 2013, 11:14:28 am
Well, point is that it's perfectly executing it's job. It's just that humans are great at misunderstanding things, and rather good xenophobes.It doesn't even need control of anything for that. It can do it from the position of any citizen What would you think would happen if people found out the AI manipulated stocks, even if it's only trying to prevent crashes. Or what if we found out it's been manipulating dating websites, and social network systems in an attempt to start up some hereditary eugenics program.That would be your fault for teaching it Lamarckian evolution.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on July 16, 2013, 11:18:31 am
Stupid thread for most derailed thread 2013.i think this thread is awesome, stupidly stupid things are a great starting point for interesting conversations
Post by: Helgoland on July 16, 2013, 11:54:00 am
It would be Lamarckian though, since social habits are learned rather than genetic; and that's all that the AI would have to go on.Then it wouldn't have to use selective breeding at all; I was thinking of selecting for, say, a higher density of serotonin and opiate receptors in the brain, increased tactile perception in the nether regions, less susceptibility for mental diseases, and so on. Basically eugenics, but happy and egalitarian!
May I remind the forumites of the Bay12 Space Program (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=113434.0)?Stupid thread for most derailed thread 2013.It's only been going for a few pages now. Surely we've done better.
Post by: Lalasa on July 16, 2013, 12:08:57 pm
-LoL Player (with a lot less grammar)
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 16, 2013, 01:47:58 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 16, 2013, 01:56:40 pm
But why would people give computers with human traits control of anything anyway?
For the glory of Satan, of course!
Post by: Helgoland on July 16, 2013, 02:32:35 pm
Post by: Steelmagic on July 16, 2013, 03:24:56 pm
"You only killed me because I ran out of health!"Well if it wasn't for that annoying health bar, you wouldn't have taken him down. Honestly someone needs to contact Riot about the glitch where you die. I don't use sarcasm, what are you talking about?
-LoL Player (with a lot less grammar)
Post by: tahujdt on July 16, 2013, 03:55:34 pm
There was a lot of things like that in the Minecraft 2.0 changelog.That..."You only killed me because I ran out of health!"Well if it wasn't for that annoying health bar, you wouldn't have taken him down. Honestly someone needs to contact Riot about the glitch where you die. I don't use sarcasm, what are you talking about?
-LoL Player (with a lot less grammar)
When I die on online games, I'm going to complain about the 'bug that makes you die when you run out of health' as a joke.
Post by: Hanslanda on July 16, 2013, 03:58:32 pm
That's one Mr. Burns quote that somehow migrated into my everyday communication: "What in Satan's glorious name is going on here?"
This is fantastic and I will use it forever. Thank you, Helgoland.
Post by: Gamerlord on July 17, 2013, 12:11:42 am
Wonderful curse word/phrase: "SATAN'S NIPPLES!"That's one Mr. Burns quote that somehow migrated into my everyday communication: "What in Satan's glorious name is going on here?"
This is fantastic and I will use it forever. Thank you, Helgoland.
Post by: Xantalos on July 17, 2013, 12:14:27 am
I prefer the epithet 'BEEZLEBUB'S SWEATY RIGHT TESTICLE' myself, but personal choice etc.Wonderful curse word/phrase: "SATAN'S NIPPLES!"That's one Mr. Burns quote that somehow migrated into my everyday communication: "What in Satan's glorious name is going on here?"
This is fantastic and I will use it forever. Thank you, Helgoland.
Post by: Frumple on July 17, 2013, 12:38:48 am
Post by: Helgoland on July 17, 2013, 05:02:07 am
This is fantastic and I will use it forever. Thank you, Helgoland.
Off to my sig you go.
Post by: Onyxjew944 on July 18, 2013, 04:42:35 pm
I've always been partial to 'ODIN'S CHEST HAIR', personally, but I can see the potential benefits of referencing a dark undergod's reproductive organs.I prefer the epithet 'BEEZLEBUB'S SWEATY RIGHT TESTICLE' myself, but personal choice etc.Wonderful curse word/phrase: "SATAN'S NIPPLES!"That's one Mr. Burns quote that somehow migrated into my everyday communication: "What in Satan's glorious name is going on here?"
This is fantastic and I will use it forever. Thank you, Helgoland.
Post by: PatriotSaint on July 18, 2013, 04:57:27 pm
I've always been partial to 'ODIN'S CHEST HAIR', personally, but I can see the potential benefits of referencing a dark undergod's reproductive organs.I prefer the epithet 'BEEZLEBUB'S SWEATY RIGHT TESTICLE' myself, but personal choice etc.Wonderful curse word/phrase: "SATAN'S NIPPLES!"That's one Mr. Burns quote that somehow migrated into my everyday communication: "What in Satan's glorious name is going on here?"
This is fantastic and I will use it forever. Thank you, Helgoland.
I wonder what exactly Satan needs them for...
Post by: tomio175 on July 18, 2013, 05:06:50 pm
Because sometimes he just needs to impregnate someone down there.I've always been partial to 'ODIN'S CHEST HAIR', personally, but I can see the potential benefits of referencing a dark undergod's reproductive organs.I prefer the epithet 'BEELZEBUB'S SWEATY RIGHT TESTICLE' myself, but personal choice etc.Wonderful curse word/phrase: "SATAN'S NIPPLES!"That's one Mr. Burns quote that somehow migrated into my everyday communication: "What in Satan's glorious name is going on here?"
This is fantastic and I will use it forever. Thank you, Helgoland.
I wonder what exactly Satan needs them for...
My apologies for the horrible humor... FTFY btw.
Post by: DWC on July 18, 2013, 10:37:27 pm
Lucifer means 'bearer of light'. So, Satan if he looks like anything, is probably a blinding sphere of psychedelic rainbow colors, like really pretty looking, if one could look at it. Like, maybe exactly how the instant of a nuclear bomb going off looks like. Psychedelic colors of everything on the electromagnetic scale blooming at once and radiating outwards along each bandwidth's individual distortion. Beautiful.
No testicles implied. Please, use religious references responsibly guys.
Post by: Knight of Fools on July 18, 2013, 10:57:47 pm
'bearer of light'
So Satan is a Bear made of Light, then. Got it.
Post by: DWC on July 18, 2013, 11:03:07 pm
'bearer of light'
So Satan is a Bear made of Light, then. Got it.
That works too. You know how sloppy these translations over the centuries have been. All we really know for sure is that Satan is fucking awesome.
Post by: Devling on July 18, 2013, 11:14:06 pm
And it was good.
Post by: Xantalos on July 19, 2013, 12:19:18 am
Yeah, Satan was at one point the most beautiful angeland described as such. Nothing says he was disfigured or anything after he rebelled. Also all angels are not even all humanoid or human looking. They are bizarre things with wheels and lights and multiple faces on a single head, ect, ect.You came closer to him than most people do.
Lucifer means 'bearer of light'. So, Satan if he looks like anything, is probably a blinding sphere of psychedelic rainbow colors, like really pretty looking, if one could look at it. Like, maybe exactly how the instant of a nuclear bomb going off looks like. Psychedelic colors of everything on the electromagnetic scale blooming at once and radiating outwards along each bandwidth's individual distortion. Beautiful.
No testicles implied. Please, use religious references responsibly guys.
Post by: Spaghetti7 on July 19, 2013, 03:17:19 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
However, one of the stupid "RAEL" case studies caught my eye there. Here it is again:
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A girl named Loran got this message. She laughed and deleted it. I later came to her house and killed her and buried her in a dessert.
Now, I think this really emphasizes the importance of correct spelling. One more time, for people who still haven't got it:
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buried her in a dessert
Well, in that case I won't repost this. I quite fancy being buried alive in a trifle, thank you very much.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 19, 2013, 04:48:31 am
Post by: Mech#4 on July 19, 2013, 05:01:24 am
Ugh, even I think that's terrible.
Post by: Steelmagic on July 19, 2013, 05:07:39 am
Guess she got her 'just desserts'.PIE think you can come up with a better pun than that. I'm going to go to sleep now like i probably should've 5 hours ago. Watch I'll be back in like 5 minutes
Post by: Max White on July 19, 2013, 05:08:46 am
Post by: Parsely on July 19, 2013, 05:20:38 am
Look, I'm all for fun, but this is a pretty serious matter. Best not to trifle with it.This one really takes the cake.
Post by: Max White on July 19, 2013, 05:24:48 am
Post by: Parsely on July 19, 2013, 05:29:20 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 19, 2013, 05:32:33 am
2. Acquire cakes and harness pun energy.
3. ???
4. Profiterole
Post by: Spaghetti7 on July 19, 2013, 05:45:36 am
Post by: Sergarr on July 19, 2013, 07:43:32 am
:O
The cakemageddon has begun.
Post by: tomio175 on July 19, 2013, 08:17:08 am
:O
The cakemageddon has begun.
And the
Post by: ed boy on July 19, 2013, 10:24:07 am
So, we're pudding our puns in this thread for now?You can try, at yeast, but I think the thread is caked with them.
Post by: tomio175 on July 19, 2013, 10:40:42 am
Donut dare to use more of those damn buns!So, we're pudding our puns in this thread for now?You can try, at yeast, but I think the thread is caked with them.
Post by: Descan on July 19, 2013, 10:52:58 am
Post by: Gamerlord on July 19, 2013, 10:58:23 am
Post by: Descan on July 19, 2013, 11:06:04 am
Post by: Spaghetti7 on July 19, 2013, 11:42:52 am
<3WHY'VE YOU PUT A PENIS HERE?!
oh god now I'm carrying on derails between threads someone stop me before it's too late
Post by: Graknorke on July 19, 2013, 11:51:58 am
It also counts as a derail from the past.<3WHY'VE YOU PUT A PENIS HERE?!
oh god now I'm carrying on derails between threads someone stop me before it's too late
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 19, 2013, 02:45:19 pm
Post by: Helgoland on July 19, 2013, 03:00:34 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 19, 2013, 03:04:44 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 19, 2013, 03:51:18 pm
CAST ASIDE ALL BUNDT YOUR MOST POTENT PUNS
CAKE WAR IS COMING
And only the strongest will soufflé.
Post by: Descan on July 19, 2013, 05:05:16 pm
That place full of porn they just bought.
Yeah. Smart guys, no?
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 19, 2013, 05:15:31 pm
Yahoo is trying to block porn on Tumblr.Why do they hate the internet?
That place full of porn they just bought.
Yeah. Smart guys, no?
Post by: Helgoland on July 19, 2013, 05:17:33 pm
Post by: Descan on July 19, 2013, 05:20:39 pm
Also #suicide and #depression are blacklisted as well.
Post by: brainfreez on July 19, 2013, 05:20:56 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 19, 2013, 05:21:45 pm
You can't search for it any more, though. And any blog that has posted porn gets blacklisted.What does blacklisting do there? Are they trying to turn tumblr into facebook MKII?
Also #suicide and #depression are blacklisted as well.
Post by: brainfreez on July 19, 2013, 05:24:41 pm
Like the internet would be dead cold of other porn.
Post by: OREOSOME on July 19, 2013, 05:25:25 pm
Post by: Descan on July 19, 2013, 05:25:36 pm
Makes blogs unsearchable, and does not return results for searched tags.You can't search for it any more, though. And any blog that has posted porn gets blacklisted.What does blacklisting do there? Are they trying to turn tumblr into facebook MKII?
Also #suicide and #depression are blacklisted as well.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on July 19, 2013, 05:29:08 pm
Post by: brainfreez on July 19, 2013, 05:33:07 pm
... is what everyone is thinking.
Post by: Steelmagic on July 19, 2013, 05:37:00 pm
Post by: brainfreez on July 19, 2013, 05:41:17 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 19, 2013, 05:47:14 pm
You want to be aiming at the screen while having the daily session of pR0n otherwise it might have life or death consequences.I think tumblr's terrible but taking tumblr and removing everything that makes it tumblr is an unimaginable crime against internet. It's not a matter of life and death - it's more serious; a matter of life and porn.
Post by: SealyStar on July 19, 2013, 05:48:03 pm
Didn't Yahoo also want to remove all the fandoms from Tumblr? I remember hearing that.That would be the final straw, methinks. Tumblr revolution and all that.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on July 19, 2013, 05:49:39 pm
Post by: brainfreez on July 19, 2013, 05:52:04 pm
I don't want to live in a world where touching a screen sounds like FAPing also #savetumbr.
Post by: Xantalos on July 19, 2013, 05:54:23 pm
Post by: brainfreez on July 19, 2013, 05:56:24 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 19, 2013, 11:17:27 pm
I had an idea, though. I was thinking that since Yahoo's trying to make tumblr more kid-friendly, the community should go on overdrive. Porn, gore, gorn, and other offensive material makers and uploaders: churn out more of it. Social Justice Warriors: find more things to brand as offensive and be more agressive. Fandoms: be more ridiculous and bring your stuff into even more irrelevant things. Scare the lessers off.Or how about someone kickstarts a Tumblr clone without the restrictions, and everyone migrates there.
Post by: Slayerhero90 on July 19, 2013, 11:33:54 pm
That might work better. If it's done though, might as well send a screw-you to Yahoo as we leave.I had an idea, though. I was thinking that since Yahoo's trying to make tumblr more kid-friendly, the community should go on overdrive. Porn, gore, gorn, and other offensive material makers and uploaders: churn out more of it. Social Justice Warriors: find more things to brand as offensive and be more agressive. Fandoms: be more ridiculous and bring your stuff into even more irrelevant things. Scare the lessers off.Or how about someone kickstarts a Tumblr clone without the restrictions, and everyone migrates there.
Post by: tomio175 on July 20, 2013, 05:41:38 am
1. Make Tumblr cloneThat might work better. If it's done though, might as well send a screw-you to Yahoo as we leave.I had an idea, though. I was thinking that since Yahoo's trying to make tumblr more kid-friendly, the community should go on overdrive. Porn, gore, gorn, and other offensive material makers and uploaders: churn out more of it. Social Justice Warriors: find more things to brand as offensive and be more agressive. Fandoms: be more ridiculous and bring your stuff into even more irrelevant things. Scare the lessers off.Or how about someone kickstarts a Tumblr clone without the restrictions, and everyone migrates there.
2. Everyone goes there
3. Yahoo buys it, ruins it
4. Repeat for infinite money.
Post by: SealyStar on July 20, 2013, 07:32:51 am
Post by: kaian-a-coel on July 20, 2013, 12:11:19 pm
By the powers granted to him from the god of swagyolodope.Oh my... I'm so sigging this...
Post by: OREOSOME on July 20, 2013, 12:19:13 pm
Ia! Ia! Swagyolodope Fhtagn!By the powers granted to him from the god of swagyolodope.Oh my... I'm so sigging this...
Post by: Hanslanda on July 22, 2013, 02:15:29 am
"What about that little kid in Korea? He's gonna fuckin' nuke us. Or some sand-{YEAHNO} is."
... Goddamn it people.
My reply, "Actually, I'd be MUCH more worried about a white person nuking us than any other ethnicity. Think about this, what two nations have the most nuclear weapons? USA and Russia. What COLOR OF PERSON is in the majority in both countries? Probably white people. Ergo, we are far more likely to get nuked by a white guy (Or Obama, I guess, but he doesn't seem the 'nuke 'em' type.) than any ethnicity you might be racist against."
For note, I am indeed slightly racist (If you would call it that.). I am somewhat distrustful of French and Japanese people, for no reason I can discern, but I don't hate them. I find true racism like the crap I hear living where I do to be quite ignorant and pathetic. A gut instinct thing is one matter, I have no choice in automatically not trusting Japanese people, but I can work past it with practice, and it makes me feel AWFUL when it comes up. CHOOSING to hate someone based on arbitrary bullshit like color, place of birth, or religion is fucked up.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 22, 2013, 05:38:57 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 22, 2013, 05:42:20 am
Post by: IronTomato on July 22, 2013, 05:57:07 am
Well, to play the devil's advocate here, neither Russia nor the USA are as unstabled as or threatened as North Korea. Even a mouse will bite when backed into a corner and such, and in this case the mouse has one hell of a set of incisors.
I've never felt like the USA has been feeling actually threatened in my lifetime. To me it seems like we (the USA) are always doing this:
1: Some civil war starts a million miles away.
2: We can make a difference!
3: Military spending.
4: National debt.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 22, 2013, 06:05:05 am
Post by: frostshotgg on July 22, 2013, 06:46:00 am
snipUnless you are 12 or younger, then you forgot 9/11 and the time immediately after it. That's the 1 single time when I've been alive where people have actually worried about the safety of their nation. The World Trade Center, even in name, represented the power of America and capitalism as a whole. For many people, the red scare was still in clear memory. But the WTC showed that capitalism had prevailed, and that America was still the center of world commerce. And then, almost out of nowhere, this iconic symbol of power was instantly erased, all with 2 planes some almost-nobodies had taken. People were legitimately terrified of it. That is the only time in my memory that the USA has actually been threatenend.
Post by: Hanslanda on July 22, 2013, 01:27:30 pm
snipUnless you are 12 or younger, then you forgot 9/11 and the time immediately after it. That's the 1 single time when I've been alive where people have actually worried about the safety of their nation. The World Trade Center, even in name, represented the power of America and capitalism as a whole. For many people, the red scare was still in clear memory. But the WTC showed that capitalism had prevailed, and that America was still the center of world commerce. And then, almost out of nowhere, this iconic symbol of power was instantly erased, all with 2 planes some almost-nobodies had taken. People were legitimately terrified of it. That is the only time in my memory that the USA has actually been threatenend.
(To continue the trend of devil's devil's advocate. :P )
You recall the aftermath of this as well, yes? The USA brought all of it's not-inconsiderable resources to bear upon the individuals responsible. Yes, we didn't catch Osama until many years later, but we definitely, DEFIANTLY made a very big show of tearing the Middle East up looking for him.
If North Korea NUKED us... There would no longer be a North Korea within about 24 hours of their launch. Yes, it would be a very unpleasant state of events for the USA AFTER they obliterated NK, what with China having nukes and all, but I do not believe such an attack would not provoke extreme retaliation from us.
Post by: Graknorke on July 22, 2013, 01:29:11 pm
Post by: Gukag on July 22, 2013, 01:44:43 pm
At work, a coworker said this:
"What about that little kid in Korea? He's gonna fuckin' nuke us. Or some sand-{YEAHNO} is."
... Goddamn it people.
My reply, "Actually, I'd be MUCH more worried about a white person nuking us than any other ethnicity. Think about this, what two nations have the most nuclear weapons? USA and Russia. What COLOR OF PERSON is in the majority in both countries? Probably white people. Ergo, we are far more likely to get nuked by a white guy (Or Obama, I guess, but he doesn't seem the 'nuke 'em' type.) than any ethnicity you might be racist against."
For note, I am indeed slightly racist (If you would call it that.). I am somewhat distrustful of French and Japanese people, for no reason I can discern, but I don't hate them. I find true racism like the crap I hear living where I do to be quite ignorant and pathetic. A gut instinct thing is one matter, I have no choice in automatically not trusting Japanese people, but I can work past it with practice, and it makes me feel AWFUL when it comes up. CHOOSING to hate someone based on arbitrary bullshit like color, place of birth, or religion is fucked up.
Why is ethnicity important? Do you really think he was just being racist? So all the fearmongering during the Cold War was somehow different, because the evil other was "white"? Incidentally, what "colour" are koreans supposed to be? Suggesting that the leader of North Korea is a crazy bastard who could potentially launch nukes if they ever build an efficient delivery method is not so much racism as an opinion, one with a lot to back it, not least the insane ammount of xenophobic war propaganda that country swims in as a matter of course.
Post by: Rakonas on July 22, 2013, 03:00:05 pm
The other day I was looking up how fossil fuels were formed and on the first page of google there was this fundamentalist christian page. Their argument was essentially
Quote
In order for fossil fuels to form, they must not oxidize due to exposure to air. It is so unlikely for fossil fuels to form naturally that the only explanation is the Great Flood.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 22, 2013, 03:09:44 pm
Even if they could hypothetically not suffer repercussions from nuking South Korea, the fallout from the detonation would end up back in North Korea due to northerly winds.
Post by: ggamer on July 22, 2013, 03:14:55 pm
North Korea isn't likely to nuke anywhere.
Even if they could hypothetically not suffer repercussions from nuking South Korea, the fallout from the detonation would end up back in North Korea due to northerly winds.
^this^
Post by: brainfreez on July 22, 2013, 03:47:47 pm
They wouldn't nuke their own lands , they would invade them and eventually starve everyone on that peninsula with their exceptional leaders.
Post by: ggamer on July 22, 2013, 04:27:58 pm
I thought North Korea wants to reunite with the South Korea.
They wouldn't nuke their own lands , they would invade them and eventually starve everyone on that peninsula with their exceptional leaders.
I doubt that SK would fall as easily as it would have in the past, though their military is severely under-budgeted
Post by: PatriotSaint on July 22, 2013, 04:34:11 pm
IIRC, SK spends more on their military than NKs GDP.I thought North Korea wants to reunite with the South Korea.
They wouldn't nuke their own lands , they would invade them and eventually starve everyone on that peninsula with their exceptional leaders.
I doubt that SK would fall as easily as it would have in the past, though their military is severely under-budgeted
Is that saying much?
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 22, 2013, 04:37:06 pm
Post by: PatriotSaint on July 22, 2013, 04:44:46 pm
I doubt it's hard to spend more than NK on anything. (other than government buildings and impressive ghost towns)
Isn't WW2-era equipment still standard issue for NK troops?
Post by: ggamer on July 22, 2013, 04:45:31 pm
Well, yes. The entire economic activity of a nation of comparable size and population to South Korea wouldn't even pay their military budget. That's a pretty significant indicator of extreme economic failure.It also shows that any non-nuclear invasion attempt by NK would end about as badly as a four year old child invading the top shelf: the only thing that will be accomplished is that they'll get themselves hurt.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 22, 2013, 05:10:23 pm
Isn't WW2-era equipment still standard issue for NK troops?No. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_58_assault_rifle)
Post by: SealyStar on July 22, 2013, 05:13:48 pm
Yeah, it's not WWII-era any more but it's certainly rather antiquated compared with more advanced countries. 50s is an accurate decade.Isn't WW2-era equipment still standard issue for NK troops?No. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_58_assault_rifle)
Post by: misko27 on July 22, 2013, 05:17:23 pm
Pfft, please, I've played DEFCON, you don't have to tell me about nuclear war.Did you know the US is the only country with a significant ABM defense system in the world (Russia has one based around Moscow). A better way of picturing Nuclear war is DEFCON, Diplomacy, without any ABMs. All missile Silos, All the time. And of course, many more nukes then they show.
Anyway, North Korea attacking anyone with nukes reminds me of that phrase, "If you strike at a king you must kill him".
Post by: Max White on July 22, 2013, 06:39:28 pm
Anyway, North Korea attacking anyone with nukes reminds me of that phrase, "If you strike at a king you must kill him".Alternatively... When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
Post by: SalmonGod on July 23, 2013, 02:56:11 am
The other day I was looking up how fossil fuels were formed and on the first page of google there was this fundamentalist christian page. Their argument was essentiallyQuoteIn order for fossil fuels to form, they must not oxidize due to exposure to air. It is so unlikely for fossil fuels to form naturally that the only explanation is the Great Flood.
So my car is powered by the divine punishment of heathens?
Post by: Xantalos on July 23, 2013, 02:57:17 am
Actually no. Yaweh killed everyone on the planet for some other reason. I forget why.The other day I was looking up how fossil fuels were formed and on the first page of google there was this fundamentalist christian page. Their argument was essentiallyQuoteIn order for fossil fuels to form, they must not oxidize due to exposure to air. It is so unlikely for fossil fuels to form naturally that the only explanation is the Great Flood.
So my car is powered by the divine punishment of heathens?
Post by: SalmonGod on July 23, 2013, 03:02:13 am
Actually no. Yaweh killed everyone on the planet for some other reason. I forget why.The other day I was looking up how fossil fuels were formed and on the first page of google there was this fundamentalist christian page. Their argument was essentiallyQuoteIn order for fossil fuels to form, they must not oxidize due to exposure to air. It is so unlikely for fossil fuels to form naturally that the only explanation is the Great Flood.
So my car is powered by the divine punishment of heathens?
So that we could get to work faster, obviously.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 23, 2013, 03:15:29 am
Sadly, the US anti Ballistic missile system is incapable of intercepting an ICBM (by design). There's the Ground based Missile defense system, but that one has a success rate of less than 50%.Pfft, please, I've played DEFCON, you don't have to tell me about nuclear war.Did you know the US is the only country with a significant ABM defense system in the world (Russia has one based around Moscow). A better way of picturing Nuclear war is DEFCON, Diplomacy, without any ABMs. All missile Silos, All the time. And of course, many more nukes then they show.
Anyway, North Korea attacking anyone with nukes reminds me of that phrase, "If you strike at a king you must kill him".
So well, the US's rocket shield isn't that impressive, if you take account of the fact that the majority of it's systems can't handle a nuclear missile.
Post by: Spaghetti7 on July 23, 2013, 03:54:30 am
You know nothin'.Anyway, North Korea attacking anyone with nukes reminds me of that phrase, "If you strike at a king you must kill him".Alternatively... When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
Post by: Xantalos on July 23, 2013, 04:03:51 am
I think it was because some woman used some corn to clean off her child's dress or something? Because according to him, back before the flood people lived centuries and everything was awesome but then he killed everything and restarted.Actually no. Yaweh killed everyone on the planet for some other reason. I forget why.The other day I was looking up how fossil fuels were formed and on the first page of google there was this fundamentalist christian page. Their argument was essentiallyQuoteIn order for fossil fuels to form, they must not oxidize due to exposure to air. It is so unlikely for fossil fuels to form naturally that the only explanation is the Great Flood.
So my car is powered by the divine punishment of heathens?
So that we could get to work faster, obviously.
Post by: IronTomato on July 23, 2013, 07:30:50 am
That's an exception. (Besides, I was 2, so I was too young to really know what happened at the time.)snipUnless you are 12 or younger, then you forgot 9/11 and the time immediately after it. That's the 1 single time when I've been alive where people have actually worried about the safety of their nation. The World Trade Center, even in name, represented the power of America and capitalism as a whole. For many people, the red scare was still in clear memory. But the WTC showed that capitalism had prevailed, and that America was still the center of world commerce. And then, almost out of nowhere, this iconic symbol of power was instantly erased, all with 2 planes some almost-nobodies had taken. People were legitimately terrified of it. That is the only time in my memory that the USA has actually been threatenend.
Post by: Owlbread on July 23, 2013, 03:29:35 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 03, 2013, 11:18:16 pm
... (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/index.html?iref=allsearch)
Post by: Mrhappyface on August 03, 2013, 11:27:28 pm
Actually no. Yaweh killed everyone on the planet for some other reason. I forget why.The other day I was looking up how fossil fuels were formed and on the first page of google there was this fundamentalist christian page. Their argument was essentiallyQuoteIn order for fossil fuels to form, they must not oxidize due to exposure to air. It is so unlikely for fossil fuels to form naturally that the only explanation is the Great Flood.
So my car is powered by the divine punishment of heathens?
Nuh-uh! He killed all the bad people (many of which weren't fully human, but were giants and the sons of fallen angels)
So by that definition, yes your car is powered by the divine punishment and suffering of the nephilim and sinful humans.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on August 03, 2013, 11:41:22 pm
"Claunch trapped one officer with his wheelchair in the corner of a room "where he couldn't get out," said a Houston police department representative who declined to be identified."
... (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/index.html?iref=allsearch)
The dude had a pen. Crazy people armed with writing utensils can be extremely dangerous, don'tcha know. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KX3OriDpgg) Why, that could've been a felt-tipped pen. Those are the most stabbable of all the pens. The only thing more dangerous than a felt-tipped pen is a dry-erase marker. Who knows what that guy could've done if he had a dry-erase marker.
Thank goodness the police were there and knew the seriousness of the situation and how to handle it. [/sarcasm]
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 03, 2013, 11:54:37 pm
The dude had a pen. Crazy people armed with writing utensils can be extremely dangerous, don'tcha know. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KX3OriDpgg) Why, that could've been a felt-tipped pen.PENCIL OF DOOM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyWdzl6tyAI)
Post by: Xantalos on August 04, 2013, 01:44:44 am
But what do I believe as bad? In one story it was written that God wanted to banish corn from the earth causing everyone to die but let the corn plants grow with a severely reduced crop so the birds wouldn't die.Actually no. Yaweh killed everyone on the planet for some other reason. I forget why.The other day I was looking up how fossil fuels were formed and on the first page of google there was this fundamentalist christian page. Their argument was essentiallyQuoteIn order for fossil fuels to form, they must not oxidize due to exposure to air. It is so unlikely for fossil fuels to form naturally that the only explanation is the Great Flood.
So my car is powered by the divine punishment of heathens?
Nuh-uh! He killed all the bad people (many of which weren't fully human, but were giants and the sons of fallen angels)
So by that definition, yes your car is powered by the divine punishment and suffering of the nephilim and sinful humans.
Because he saw a woman cleaning her child's dirty dress with corn.
Post by: Descan on August 04, 2013, 02:08:39 am
Because the Jews didn't have corn. Corn is a new-world crop. >_____>
Like the potato! And chocolate. The Irish and the Germans were basically twiddling their thumbs for a few thousand years as they waited for their crops to be discovered so they could actually -do- something.
Post by: Xantalos on August 04, 2013, 02:09:24 am
Is this the Mormon bible?I think it was Brothers Grimm, but eh.
Because the Jews didn't have corn. Corn is a new-world crop. >_____>
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 04, 2013, 06:53:47 am
Is this the Mormon bible?they didn't have maize, but the word corn has been used as a generic name for grains since long before the discovery of the new world
Because the Jews didn't have corn. Corn is a new-world crop. >_____>
Like the potato! And chocolate. The Irish and the Germans were basically twiddling their thumbs for a few thousand years as they waited for their crops to be discovered so they could actually -do- something.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/corn#Etymology_1
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 04, 2013, 05:44:55 pm
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Post by: Xantalos on August 04, 2013, 05:52:57 pm
Post by: Blargityblarg on August 04, 2013, 06:45:19 pm
Post by: Vector on August 04, 2013, 06:49:26 pm
Get rid of a little of the redeye he's got and he'll be good to go.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on August 04, 2013, 07:35:00 pm
They're all watching Doctor Who for the wrong reason if the age *cough*physical attractiveness*cough* of the main character is enough of a reason for them to completely bail on it and disregard the plot, or the worldbuilding, or the wibbley wobbley timey wimey stuff.
Lrn2scifi twitterchics.
Post by: Vector on August 04, 2013, 07:50:16 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 04, 2013, 07:58:03 pm
Yes, even worse than the one we aren't allowed to talk about here anymore.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 04, 2013, 08:05:33 pm
In actual seriousness, I do love things like sports fans having rooms dedicated to their favorite team. People being passionate about things is great.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 04, 2013, 08:22:26 pm
People being passionate about things is great.Passion swings both ways. Disastrously.
Post by: Max White on August 04, 2013, 08:31:28 pm
Yes, even worse than the one we aren't allowed to talk about here anymore.What are you talking about, we have a MSPA thread!
Oohh, you meant... Never mind.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 05, 2013, 03:21:22 am
Doctor Who is the name of the show.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 05, 2013, 03:49:00 am
/me chuckles.
Post by: miauw62 on August 05, 2013, 07:39:33 am
Post by: IronTomato on August 05, 2013, 09:28:53 am
Yes, even worse than the one we aren't allowed to talk about here anymore.Can I say it? I wanna say it. I live in the USA, I have freedom of speech, and I'm gonna say it.
... Eh, never mind. Not sure if it would make the Toad mad or not.
Post by: Onyxjew944 on August 05, 2013, 11:30:29 am
I'm actually intrigued. When did Toady ban the mention of a certain fandom, and which one?Yes, even worse than the one we aren't allowed to talk about here anymore.Can I say it? I wanna say it. I live in the USA, I have freedom of speech, and I'm gonna say it.
... Eh, never mind. Not sure if it would make the Toad mad or not.
Tick tick tick tick...
Riiiiight, can't mention the unmentionable even for the sake of mentioning not to mention it. Censorship.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 05, 2013, 11:34:40 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 05, 2013, 11:36:01 am
Post by: tomio175 on August 05, 2013, 11:42:31 am
I don't even know if an MLP thread is banned. Mentioning it in other threads, and derailing them is though.Let's NOT try it out. Or, we ask the Great Toad.
Post by: Pnx on August 05, 2013, 11:44:26 am
Post by: quinnr on August 05, 2013, 11:59:13 am
I think the next companion should be old too. The reaction alone is worth it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
A lot of the Doctor Who doctors aren't that attractive...people are really freaking out about it, though D: Jack Harkness is where it's at, really.
Post by: Mephansteras on August 05, 2013, 12:39:30 pm
The majority of the complainers doesn't even get the name right. It's just the Doctor.
Doctor Who is the name of the show.
Well, that's not actually wrong. At least for the first 3 doctors the character is listed as Doctor Who in the credits. Can't remember how he's listed in the more recent ones.
Post by: Vector on August 05, 2013, 01:58:53 pm
I actually conciously try to NOT insert DF/MSPA into everything because some people are annoyed by that ;_;
Much appreciated :I
Post by: Putnam on August 05, 2013, 02:03:50 pm
It was because it repeatedly went into discussion and sharing of pornographic images and worse. This happened several times, and the thread was banned from sharing images, then when it still happened, Toady just banned MLP threads.
The images weren't quite pornographic but the discussion went far worse. Anyway, noderailnoderailnoderailnoderail
Post by: Mr Space Cat on August 05, 2013, 03:56:30 pm
Y'know, for a man to whom time is arbitrary, why shouldn't he have another go at being middle-aged?Now I want to see a season where the Doctor has the physical age of a baby, just because he can.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 05, 2013, 06:39:31 pm
Actually a child Doctor could be interesting if they found the right actor/tress to play the part. As could an Old Master type.Y'know, for a man to whom time is arbitrary, why shouldn't he have another go at being middle-aged?Now I want to see a season where the Doctor has the physical age of a baby, just because he can.
It was because it repeatedly went into discussion and sharing of pornographic images and worse. This happened several times, and the thread was banned from sharing images, then when it still happened, Toady just banned MLP threads.Neh, two of them were just bog-standard imagespam, though someone did get a temp for linking to a NSFW Encyclopedia Dramatica page. The third was unsavory topics. TBH I'm glad it happened, too.
Post by: kaenneth on August 05, 2013, 06:55:23 pm
Imagine the fan arguements of if the kid 'counts' as 12, making the next one 13 or not, along with the John Hurt Doctor...
On the topic of annoying fandom: Doctor Hooves.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 05, 2013, 07:18:12 pm
What i'd like is the doctor regenerating into a child very temporarily, like for the christmas special, before finishing his regeneration into the next one...Heh, yes. We need more Christmas Specials that fans deny the existence of. xD
Post by: IronTomato on August 05, 2013, 08:34:15 pm
The way he didn't mention what it was lead me to believe we weren't supposed to talk about it at all.I'm actually intrigued. When did Toady ban the mention of a certain fandom, and which one?Yes, even worse than the one we aren't allowed to talk about here anymore.Can I say it? I wanna say it. I live in the USA, I have freedom of speech, and I'm gonna say it.
... Eh, never mind. Not sure if it would make the Toad mad or not.
Tick tick tick tick...
Riiiiight, can't mention the unmentionable even for the sake of mentioning not to mention it. Censorship.
On-Topic: Another old "Friend" of mine texted me randomly to tell me this wonderful story about how he had found a.. *ahem*, a female pleasure device under his mom's pillow, and that she insisted that it was a hairdryer.
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Post by: Xantalos on August 05, 2013, 10:00:51 pm
On the topic of annoying fandom: Doctor Hooves.FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-
Post by: kaijyuu on August 05, 2013, 10:53:46 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on August 05, 2013, 11:23:09 pm
Yo dawg, we heard you like fandoms, so we took two fandoms and threw them in a large hadron particle collider to see what happens.On the topic of annoying fandom: Doctor Hooves.FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-
Post by: Xantalos on August 05, 2013, 11:24:26 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3qS0odekuUThe excellent sig in your sig prevented me from digitally strangling him.
Post by: Bdthemag on August 06, 2013, 12:02:31 am
Now you know how I feel when I see MLP Warhammer 40k crossovers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3qS0odekuUThe excellent sig in your sig prevented me from digitally strangling him.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 06, 2013, 12:05:06 am
There are things that will not blend, and then there are things that should not be blended.Now you know how I feel when I see MLP Warhammer 40k crossovers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3qS0odekuUThe excellent sig in your sig prevented me from digitally strangling him.
Post by: Steelmagic on August 06, 2013, 12:07:02 am
What. You know what, i should've known that existed given everything MLP exists. Nonetheless it hurts and it is not a good pain.Now you know how I feel when I see MLP Warhammer 40k crossovers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3qS0odekuUThe excellent sig in your sig prevented me from digitally strangling him.
Post by: Gamerlord on August 06, 2013, 12:07:35 am
It is awful.What. You know what, i should've known that existed given everything MLP exists. Nonetheless it hurts and it is not a good pain.Now you know how I feel when I see MLP Warhammer 40k crossovers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3qS0odekuUThe excellent sig in your sig prevented me from digitally strangling him.
Post by: Xantalos on August 06, 2013, 12:12:15 am
Same ... for some. The ones where they turn out horribly are kinda fun, though honestly 40k daemon business is kinda dull.Now you know how I feel when I see MLP Warhammer 40k crossovers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3qS0odekuUThe excellent sig in your sig prevented me from digitally strangling him.
Post by: Descan on August 06, 2013, 12:14:55 am
Post by: Flying Dice on August 06, 2013, 12:38:41 am
Post by: Xantalos on August 06, 2013, 05:13:34 am
Eh, "X Setting Meets 40K and is Promptly Eviscerated and Mindfucked" gets sort of dull after a few hundred times.See, I do find the mini horses getting mindfarcked funny, but the daemons there have no imagination, no verve to their torture! It's all just 'Raaagh blood good rage fight', 'cough wheeze want disease hug', 'Imma paranoid as fuck guy who likes magic and plans for everything' and 'SENSATIONS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO NERVE ENDINGS GLAAAAH'. No real imagination, ya know?
Post by: Onyxjew944 on August 06, 2013, 10:42:13 am
I do believe this applies.
Anyway, I have yet to find a 'worst crossover ever' that cannot be topped within just a few minutes. They only get worse with time. I have a collection of terrible crossovers and generally horrific stories. Plus a few actually good stories with concepts that leave me rolling for SAN loss.
Oh and, for the sake of scholarly experiment, has anyone here seen a crossover with more than three source materials that didn't make you want to turn your head into a fine paste?
Post by: ZetaX on August 06, 2013, 11:32:05 am
Oh and, for the sake of scholarly experiment, has anyone here seen a crossover with more than three source materials that didn't make you want to turn your head into a fine paste?
How about several dozens of sourcesż: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5389450/1/The-Finale-of-the-Ultimate-Meta-Mega-Crossover
Not sure if this really counts, though ;-)
Post by: Frumple on August 06, 2013, 11:50:11 am
Oh and, for the sake of scholarly experiment, has anyone here seen a crossover with more than three source materials that didn't make you want to turn your head into a fine paste?I actually kinda' enjoyed Hybrid Theory (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1978728/1/Hybrid-Theory). Ranma, Sailor Moon, Street fighter, as strong influences, as well as several others (iirc, it's been a few years since I finished reading through it). Megacrossover. Also a self-insert, and well over a million words. Disturbingly well written, considering. Then there's this thing. (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6766023/1/Reflections-Lost-on-a-Dark-Road) X-COM, Ranma, Teen Titans. It's actually a crossover between two crossover fics. Also over a million words, at this point.
Also find the stuff by this guy (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1183470/CSS-Stravag) to be fairly alright, which has a couple things that mix Gundam, Battletech, and then heaping dashes of other material into the mix.
There's others out there, too. It's not impossible. Just... difficult.
Post by: Frumple on August 06, 2013, 11:51:37 am
Post by: Scoops Novel on August 06, 2013, 11:55:58 am
[snip] Doublepost, argh.
Seems appropriate.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 06, 2013, 12:00:38 pm
Post by: Frumple on August 06, 2013, 12:05:20 pm
Those things are ridiculously well written for what they are. Like damn. They actually have plot, and it's sometimes even pretty darn good. S'crazy.
Post by: MonkeyHead on August 06, 2013, 12:13:34 pm
Post by: Squill on August 06, 2013, 12:20:11 pm
What about this crossover? (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/ultimate+showdown/)Oh my god I have not heard that for years.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 06, 2013, 01:11:00 pm
Y'know, for a man to whom time is arbitrary, why shouldn't he have another go at being middle-aged?Morgan Freeman + Doctor = Best season finale
Post by: Sirus on August 06, 2013, 01:28:23 pm
... oh. Yeah, if so. Super Robot Wars.Have you heard of Project X Zone, perchance? It's a little like SRW, except with characters from Capcom, Bandai, Namco, Sega, and possibly a few more in a cross between TBS and arcade fighters. And yes, there is some sort of plot going down. Actually quite fun, IMHO.
Those things are ridiculously well written for what they are. Like damn. They actually have plot, and it's sometimes even pretty darn good. S'crazy.
Post by: Frumple on August 06, 2013, 01:40:11 pm
Post by: da_nang on August 06, 2013, 02:45:42 pm
...No, Morgan Freeman AS the doctor!Y'know, for a man to whom time is arbitrary, why shouldn't he have another go at being middle-aged?Morgan Freeman + Doctor = Best season finale
Seriously, one season of Doctor Freeman would be awesome.
HL3?
Post by: LordSlowpoke on August 06, 2013, 02:46:38 pm
...No, Morgan Freeman AS the doctor!Y'know, for a man to whom time is arbitrary, why shouldn't he have another go at being middle-aged?Morgan Freeman + Doctor = Best season finale
Seriously, one season of Doctor Freeman would be awesome.
HL3?
confirmed.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 06, 2013, 02:54:49 pm
Seriously, one season of Doctor Freeman would be awesome.I was thinking that, but then I also remembered Morgan's doing the "through the wormhole series."
Wormholes + Time & spehss = first crossover between a science fiction and science non-fiction series.
Post by: kaenneth on August 06, 2013, 04:49:47 pm
Post by: SailFlame on August 06, 2013, 09:54:17 pm
*#1 asks whats 5x8
"PSSSST, what's number 1?
(( Girls in my 8th grade class ask me this constantly, i'm not kidding you. By the way, this is in exact words too...))
*Works on drawing
"Omg, did you draw that???"
Post by: SailFlame on August 06, 2013, 10:09:08 pm
Sail, you seem to live in the most idiotic hell possible.
Tell them that if they fail to understand it, they should go home and learn to hold a pen and paper before asking.
I wish I could, but they are super rich and would threaten to "sue" me and most likely ask some jocks they know to beat the butts out of me. They've done that to a friend of mine. I can't wait to get out of the hell hole of idiots. The only reason they passed is because they ask their best friends to A. Grade their homework for them B. Do their homework for them. It sucks :(
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 06, 2013, 10:46:49 pm
I wish I could, but they are super rich and would threaten to "sue" me and most likely ask some jocks they know to beat the butts out of me. They've done that to a friend of mine. I can't wait to get out of the hell hole of idiots. The only reason they passed is because they ask their best friends to A. Grade their homework for them B. Do their homework for them. It sucks :(They can't do shit. Sue you? For What? You'd be lucky if they brought you to court, it'd be a hilarious waste of their money. Hell if this is a genuine tirade of abuse you can probably bitch your way into getting them dealt with by whatever authorities in the immediate vicinity. At the very *least,* 8x4 is now 37. What happened to the guys who beat up your friend? What were the circumstances of it?
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In any case, you probably shouldn't listen to advice given to you on the internet.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on August 06, 2013, 11:41:38 pm
Sail, you seem to live in the most idiotic hell possible.
Tell them that if they fail to understand it, they should go home and learn to hold a pen and paper before asking.
I wish I could, but they are super rich and would threaten to "sue" me and most likely ask some jocks they know to beat the butts out of me. They've done that to a friend of mine. I can't wait to get out of the hell hole of idiots. The only reason they passed is because they ask their best friends to A. Grade their homework for them B. Do their homework for them. It sucks :(
I see little difference between your 8th grade girls and high school girls. Hate to bum you out there. You sound like advanced classes would probably be the way to go for high school stuff, the students who take those classes at least put more effort into life than the "rich girls" you described. I assume your high school would have advanced classes of some kind, at least. >.>
I'd be happy if somebody was like "duuuude, did you draw dat?" because that would imply that what I drew was so awesome that it blew their minds. Mission accomplished.
In any case, you probably shouldn't listen to advice given to you on the internet.
The internet is totally a trustworthy place. There's always some Nigerian prince willing to loan you some money, how much more trustworthy can you get?
Post by: lue on August 07, 2013, 12:29:53 am
No, Morgan Freeman AS the doctor!
I think this statement is the exact opposite of this topic's purpose. :D
Post by: Oliolli on August 07, 2013, 05:34:30 am
I'd be happy if somebody was like "duuuude, did you draw dat?" because that would imply that what I drew was so awesome that it blew their minds.
If someone literally said "Duuuude, did you draw dat?", I would first assume they are high.
Post by: Onyxjew944 on August 07, 2013, 12:05:26 pm
I'm actually kind of partial to Smash Bros now that I remember it.
*read: multi-crossovers
Post by: Graknorke on August 11, 2013, 10:31:24 am
Uuuuuuuuuugh.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 12, 2013, 08:04:28 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on August 12, 2013, 08:09:22 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 12, 2013, 08:16:59 pm
Post by: Descan on August 12, 2013, 08:21:44 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 12, 2013, 09:33:05 pm
Tumblr, the only place on the internet where social justice means being a raging bigot. (http://i.imgur.com/KZqtfsg.png)
That only has seven notes. I doubt many people saw it, much less agree with it.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 12, 2013, 09:54:27 pm
I'm not sure who you're saying is social-justicey there. The two replies are from obvious bigots who, from their tumblrs, seem to hate social justice. Also they hate black people, though that was probably obvious.The first post more than the replies. It's not just this either, Tumblr's social justice crowd has gone full-tilt racist from what I've seen lately, though it is more of the "this is your race and culture, if you leave this box you are committing a transgression" variety than more traditional racism.
Post by: Pnx on August 12, 2013, 10:14:27 pm
But... I thought that WAS tradition racism, what was segregation all about then?I'm not sure who you're saying is social-justicey there. The two replies are from obvious bigots who, from their tumblrs, seem to hate social justice. Also they hate black people, though that was probably obvious.The first post more than the replies. It's not just this either, Tumblr's social justice crowd has gone full-tilt racist from what I've seen lately, though it is more of the "this is your race and culture, if you leave this box you are committing a transgression" variety than more traditional racism.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 12, 2013, 10:16:51 pm
Which also isn't very different from traditional racism, but as I said, the SJW's have kind of gone so far into their quest to prevent appropriation that they've ended up segregationists.
Post by: werty892 on August 13, 2013, 01:45:18 am
Sailor Moon
Best crossover ever. (http://addventure.bast-enterprises.de/frecent.php?tag=Dungeon+Keeper+Ami)
Post by: Frumple on August 13, 2013, 01:50:51 am
*If for no other reason than "best crossover" is a category filled by like twenty plus fics for me, ha. I don't really try to construct a hierarchy, though. There's the good shit, the decent shit, and then everything else.
... that, and ever sorta' implies going forward, too, and it will be one-upped, eventually.
Post by: SealyStar on August 13, 2013, 02:01:23 am
It differs from the usual viewpoint in that it tends to be a "for your own good" kind of thing.This is a true fact. The dogmatic appropriation-phobia basically fades into shades of keeping everyone separated and ethnically segregated, only with the intent of keeping evil whitey from assimilating and destroying x culture instead of keeping x culture from polluting the noble white man's way of life.
Which also isn't very different from traditional racism, but as I said, the SJW's have kind of gone so far into their quest to prevent appropriation that they've ended up segregationists.
Post by: Graknorke on August 13, 2013, 04:43:38 am
No, they get pissy about white people doing things from non-white cultures too.It differs from the usual viewpoint in that it tends to be a "for your own good" kind of thing.This is a true fact. The dogmatic appropriation-phobia basically fades into shades of keeping everyone separated and ethnically segregated, only with the intent of keeping evil whitey from assimilating and destroying x culture instead of keeping x culture from polluting the noble white man's way of life.
Which also isn't very different from traditional racism, but as I said, the SJW's have kind of gone so far into their quest to prevent appropriation that they've ended up segregationists.
Post by: Shakerag on August 13, 2013, 08:44:55 am
No, they get pissy about white people doing things from non-white cultures too.So, like, listening to blues/jazz?
Post by: Graknorke on August 13, 2013, 09:16:42 am
Sort of, but they're actually a lot more against whites participating in hip-hop culture for whatever reason.No, they get pissy about white people doing things from non-white cultures too.So, like, listening to blues/jazz?
They're pretty much against anyone doing anything that's not to do with the specific groups that they have been assigned. Like people who aren't furries wearing clothes that are styled like animals or w/e.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 13, 2013, 10:55:18 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 13, 2013, 08:53:59 pm
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Post by: Mr Space Cat on August 13, 2013, 09:01:35 pm
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It's like they're trying to communicate some sort of message. I can't understand it though, there's too much stupid.
Post by: Squill on August 13, 2013, 09:36:54 pm
Best not to try to decipher it. I tried to decipher stupid once, and it damn near killed me.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's like they're trying to communicate some sort of message. I can't understand it though, there's too much stupid.
The police would have found nothing but a dead body sitting behind a computer, with no evidence but a lightly singed brain.
Post by: Gamerlord on August 13, 2013, 09:48:45 pm
I think I can comprehend it... give me a second here.Best not to try to decipher it. I tried to decipher stupid once, and it damn near killed me.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's like they're trying to communicate some sort of message. I can't understand it though, there's too much stupid.
The police would have found nothing but a dead body sitting behind a computer, with no evidence but a lightly singed brain.
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Right, I believe what they are trying to say is that some white women, specifically in the 'upper class', feel so privileged that they believe themselves constant victims.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 13, 2013, 09:55:26 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on August 13, 2013, 09:57:12 pm
Viva la apropriación!
(also, ninja'd by MSH: I don't even. Though I've seen someone ELSE make a "hierarchy of privilege" in which white, middle-to-upper class cishet women are being oppressed by poor, gay black trans people.)
Post by: kaenneth on August 13, 2013, 09:58:52 pm
... And isn't spanish an imperialist language... (at least to the native americans) I guess that's one of the reasons why it's a stupid thing to say.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 13, 2013, 10:01:52 pm
In truth, they are some of the most racist people on the internet (the fact that they put everyone who isn't white in the category of People of Color should be a decent indicator).
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 13, 2013, 10:17:55 pm
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It's an incredibly interesting phenomenon. Also it's likely Tumblr gained its SJW crowd simply by drawing from the same demographic as reddit [see; no neckbeards].
Post by: XXSockXX on August 13, 2013, 10:55:19 pm
So basically this whole thing is just a case of trolling gone horribly real?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's an incredibly interesting phenomenon. Also it's likely Tumblr gained its SJW crowd simply by drawing from the same demographic as reddit [see; no neckbeards].
I find it quite fascinating that someone would know so much about the history of weird internet movements. You should write the Secret Chronicles of the Internet or something, sociologists of the future might be really grateful.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 13, 2013, 10:58:15 pm
However, the number of goons who believed the propaganda soon outnumbered the trolls and so /SRS/ grew to become a formidable trolling force on reddit.
This strikes me as a thing that happens outside the internet. Imagine if Glen Beck is just in it for the money, or trolling everyone...
While I know very little about the Tumblr Social Justice crowd (this board is the first place I've heard is significantly discussed) I have heard that they like to abuse the term "privilege", and have this picture showing how that can be hilarious:
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Oh, and I'm pretty sure this was meant seriously.
Post by: Gamerlord on August 13, 2013, 10:58:36 pm
I would totally read that... LOUD WHISPERS! GO TO THE CREATIVE PROJECTS BOARD AND MAKE THIS A REALITY!So basically this whole thing is just a case of trolling gone horribly real?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's an incredibly interesting phenomenon. Also it's likely Tumblr gained its SJW crowd simply by drawing from the same demographic as reddit [see; no neckbeards].
I find it quite fascinating that someone would know so much about the history of weird internet movements. You should write the Secret Chronicles of the Internet or something, sociologists of the future might be really grateful.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 13, 2013, 11:24:18 pm
He he he, maybe. It'd take a lot of time, and truth be told I don't know much about the internet other than the big things. This'd count as a major event in the internet timeline in my opinion. Finding out the secrets would be a project in its own right :PI find it quite fascinating that someone would know so much about the history of weird internet movements. You should write the Secret Chronicles of the Internet or something, sociologists of the future might be really grateful.I would totally read that... LOUD WHISPERS! GO TO THE CREATIVE PROJECTS BOARD AND MAKE THIS A REALITY!
Post by: Gamerlord on August 13, 2013, 11:26:10 pm
Post by: XXSockXX on August 13, 2013, 11:42:27 pm
Hey, for someone who is not all that familiar with all the involved boards this already counts as secret. Also dramatic titles make for a better sales pitch.He he he, maybe. It'd take a lot of time, and truth be told I don't know much about the internet other than the big things. This'd count as a major event in the internet timeline in my opinion. Finding out the secrets would be a project in its own right :PI find it quite fascinating that someone would know so much about the history of weird internet movements. You should write the Secret Chronicles of the Internet or something, sociologists of the future might be really grateful.I would totally read that... LOUD WHISPERS! GO TO THE CREATIVE PROJECTS BOARD AND MAKE THIS A REALITY!
And apart from the entertainment value, it really is difficult to piece together information about the origins of social and cultural movements only a decade or two after the fact. Most accounts I know about smaller music cultures or niche youth movements end up conflicting or flat out wrong when there starts to be academic interest.
There is already a lot of interest in weird internet cultures, so it's pretty much guaranteed that someday someone is going to write a paper about that social justice shit.
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2013, 01:10:58 am
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this was meant seriously.
Social autist (/v/)
Post by: SOLDIER First on August 14, 2013, 01:12:16 am
Some teenage guuuuurlz were spitting milkshake onto the alpine slide thing in Vermont, so I told them to stop.
My aunt gave me a lot of shit about it.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 14, 2013, 03:17:43 am
Why is there no "east asia that's not China or Japan but not Thailand etc either" category I demand privilege points D:<However, the number of goons who believed the propaganda soon outnumbered the trolls and so /SRS/ grew to become a formidable trolling force on reddit.
This strikes me as a thing that happens outside the internet. Imagine if Glen Beck is just in it for the money, or trolling everyone...
While I know very little about the Tumblr Social Justice crowd (this board is the first place I've heard is significantly discussed) I have heard that they like to abuse the term "privilege", and have this picture showing how that can be hilarious:Its basically a scoreboard for how disadvantaged you have. Except that if you analyze it even a little, you'll realize that the numbers make no sense. Blind is three times worse than paralyzed, being Muslim makes you less privileged even if you live in the Middle East, being very short apparently puts you at a net disadvantage even if you're rich, ect.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this was meant seriously.
Post by: Darvi on August 14, 2013, 03:19:17 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 14, 2013, 05:22:12 am
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There is a Spirit Rule in Albion (this is where my ancestors square up to your ancestors) that when we point a finger of blame at others, three fingers point back at us. This is a useful tool to have in our awareness because it makes us careful about that we accuse others of being. There is ALWAYS a truth in a psychological projection – otherwise it doesn’t work. To break a projection, however, needs a human being – I’m volunteering in this instance because I won’t stand by and let you make the mistakes we made if talking back to you will stop it. The human race can’t afford such acting out anymore and this kind of unconscious mob-think needs to stop.Ironically a lot of what she says makes sense, if only she could also realize it applies to more than just women. Well admittedly, the ancestors of Albion part doesn't make sense, but the rest mostly does.
(http://pawprintsofthesoul.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/womens-solidarity-is-multi-coloured-why-solidarityisforwhitewomen-is-wrong/)
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"My Sisters, the face you were showing to white women with your hashtag is a very powerful one for waking people up. Applied in more imaginative and thoughtful ways, but with full awareness of your responsibilities to our future, the powers you wield could benefit humanity enormously but to do this competently requires that you learn from your mistakes."
[Hashtagging of power intensifies]
Quote from: The Response
"You should check your white privileges.
The feminist movement should be about promoting real wymens issues but oppressive white ‘women’ are the only ones with a voice. A white ‘feminist’ gets hundreds of thousands of dollars to talk about how she doesn’t like video games while WoC are the most oppressed in society. White feminists only use us to gain publicity for their own cause. Whites have always used and oppressed us and still do."
Welcome to the Twilight zone?
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The plot thickens.
Post by: Oliolli on August 14, 2013, 05:27:06 am
By the way, I scored 120 on the Chart.
KNEEL BEFORE ME!
Post by: Graknorke on August 14, 2013, 05:30:20 am
What the fuck SJW.
Post by: Darvi on August 14, 2013, 05:48:45 am
Post by: Shakerag on August 14, 2013, 09:10:08 am
Fascinating.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's an incredibly interesting phenomenon. Also it's likely Tumblr gained its SJW crowd simply by drawing from the same demographic as reddit [see; no neckbeards].
Post by: miauw62 on August 14, 2013, 09:23:37 am
Three hashtags for the Reddit kings under the skyQuote"My Sisters, the face you were showing to white women with your hashtag is a very powerful one for waking people up. Applied in more imaginative and thoughtful ways, but with full awareness of your responsibilities to our future, the powers you wield could benefit humanity enormously but to do this competently requires that you learn from your mistakes."
[Hashtagging of power intensifies]
Seven for the Tumblrs in their halls of text
Nine for mortal Twitters doomed to die
One for the Dark Lord on his Dark Throne
In the land of 4chan, where the shadows lie
One hashtag to rule them all, one hashtag to find them
One hashtag to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
In the land of 4chan, where the shadows lie.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 14, 2013, 09:34:43 am
Three hashtags for the Reddit kings under the sky
Seven for the Tumblrs in their halls of text
Nine for mortal Twitters doomed to die
One for the Dark Lord on his Dark Throne
In the land of 4chan, where the shadows lie
One hashtag to rule them all, one hashtag to find them
One hashtag to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
In the land of 4chan, where the shadows lie.
C-can I sig this?
Post by: miauw62 on August 14, 2013, 09:40:02 am
Sure :3Three hashtags for the Reddit kings under the sky
Seven for the Tumblrs in their halls of text
Nine for mortal Twitters doomed to die
One for the Dark Lord on his Dark Throne
In the land of 4chan, where the shadows lie
One hashtag to rule them all, one hashtag to find them
One hashtag to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
In the land of 4chan, where the shadows lie.
C-can I sig this?
Post by: IronTomato on August 14, 2013, 09:40:23 am
Post by: SealyStar on August 14, 2013, 10:09:08 am
The SJW's have been contracting the "protected classes" for a while now. Gay men and straight white women are out in the cold by this point.I think you now need two oppression credits to qualify (PoC AND gay, female AND transgender, female AND gay). Gay/cis white men and cis/het white women only have one.
Post by: SealyStar on August 14, 2013, 10:13:09 am
That's probably also not a troll. It's not "serious", but I'm sure that really is what the author, being an SJW, thinks about 4chan and its boards.Oh, and I'm pretty sure this was meant seriously.
Social autist (/v/)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 14, 2013, 10:40:04 am
Three hashtags for the Reddit kings under the skySidenote: I was always under the impression that "In the land of Mordor, where the shadows lie" was meant to have a double meaning of "where the shadows are" and "where the shadows tell falsehoods" because the land itself is evil and deceptive. Am I crazy, or is this the common interpretation?
Seven for the Tumblrs in their halls of text
Nine for mortal Twitters doomed to die
One for the Dark Lord on his Dark Throne
In the land of 4chan, where the shadows lie
One hashtag to rule them all, one hashtag to find them
One hashtag to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
In the land of 4chan, where the shadows lie.
Post by: Darvi on August 14, 2013, 10:55:45 am
Post by: kaenneth on August 14, 2013, 11:35:22 am
also, the income ranges have gaps..., so I averaged between the two nearest.
Post by: ed boy on August 14, 2013, 03:48:40 pm
wooo, -120 on that.The wealth is ridiculous, to get into the top tier you need to be worth over $1 Trillion, which is impossible unless you're using zimbabwean dollars or something. The richest people in the world are only worth about $70 billion.
also, the income ranges have gaps..., so I averaged between the two nearest.
Post by: SealyStar on August 14, 2013, 03:50:32 pm
It was quite clearly made by a moron. SJWs often have a limited understanding of how the world works :Pwooo, -120 on that.The wealth is ridiculous, to get into the top tier you need to be worth over $1 Trillion, which is impossible unless you're using zimbabwean dollars or something. The richest people in the world are only worth about $70 billion.
also, the income ranges have gaps..., so I averaged between the two nearest.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 15, 2013, 01:15:41 am
Post by: Vector on August 15, 2013, 01:17:31 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 15, 2013, 03:35:47 am
Post by: Shakerag on August 15, 2013, 09:03:38 am
I still don't get what the SJWs are trying to achieve.Social Justice(tm)?
In more seriousness, I would say they would _appear_ to be trying to get people of "privilege" to be more humble and appreciative of the "good" cards delt to them by life, and to be more respectful and considerate to those delt "bad" cards by life.
Of course, "privilege", "good", and "bad" are very likely treated as subjective terms in the SJW context.
Post by: Graknorke on August 15, 2013, 01:36:56 pm
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Making fun of Call of Duty like this is disrespectful to the US marines who lost their lives in the war and seriously dude thats beyond fucked up, thats a whole new level of fucked up and you should be ashamed are you proud of yourself? I am reporting this video for hate speech
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 15, 2013, 01:43:29 pm
Post by: quinnr on August 15, 2013, 01:52:09 pm
a couple of years ago i'd dismiss that as an obvious joke, but i don't know any morehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
I just don't know :(
Post by: kaenneth on August 15, 2013, 04:59:03 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 15, 2013, 05:07:39 pm
Using sarcasm on the internet should be punishable by death.You know full well that we'd all be dismembered corpses by now if that were the case.
Post by: Shakerag on August 15, 2013, 05:17:36 pm
Using sarcasm on the internet should be punishable by death.That sounds like a marvelous idea, and I support it wholeheartedly. In fact, I will write to my congresscritters this very day and relay your insightful and well thought out proposal.
Post by: Darvi on August 15, 2013, 05:39:04 pm
Note: that's not sarcasm, it's just a very blatant lie.Using sarcasm on the internet should be punishable by death.That sounds like a marvelous idea, and I support it wholeheartedly. In fact, I will write to my congresscritters this very day and relay your insightful and well thought out proposal.
Post by: Frumple on August 15, 2013, 05:42:52 pm
Using unlabled sarcasm on the internet should be punishable by death.Getting closer to something sane. As always, I recommend georgia as the official sarcasm font.
Post by: frostshotgg on August 15, 2013, 06:23:13 pm
Post by: Vector on August 15, 2013, 06:27:56 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on August 15, 2013, 09:36:17 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on August 15, 2013, 09:42:35 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 15, 2013, 09:43:32 pm
Post by: Descan on August 15, 2013, 09:51:07 pm
Virgin is a slur on children, of course.
Post by: Sirus on August 15, 2013, 10:27:03 pm
Post by: Vector on August 15, 2013, 10:28:10 pm
I'm also a virgin, but that's not the one I was, y'know, objecting to.
Post by: Sirus on August 15, 2013, 10:32:37 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 15, 2013, 10:36:22 pm
Post by: Vector on August 15, 2013, 10:40:07 pm
It's kind of like calling someone naive. You can do that kindly, or derisively.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 15, 2013, 10:41:37 pm
Post by: Sirus on August 15, 2013, 10:45:16 pm
It's not exactly a slur in and of itself. Coupled with "Jew" and "Polack," the intended context made things pretty clear.Ah, okay. Gotcha.
It's kind of like calling someone naive. You can do that kindly, or derisively.
Post by: scriver on August 16, 2013, 12:59:35 am
Post by: Vector on August 16, 2013, 01:00:58 am
Post by: kaian-a-coel on August 16, 2013, 04:45:57 am
Post by: tahujdt on August 16, 2013, 07:29:55 am
Scored +107. Being a straight white male is already +80. The only reason I'm not higher on the list is because France is somehow equated with Spain, which is hilarious and sad at the same time.I'd rather live in Spain than France.
Post by: Ogdibus on August 16, 2013, 08:06:42 am
I'm pretty sure it's not serious when -45 of that comes from the stuff at the bottom. I don't think I'm the only one that couldn't figure out how to add some of it up. x3
Post by: Darvi on August 16, 2013, 08:18:21 am
Post by: Xantalos on August 16, 2013, 09:23:10 am
Post by: werty892 on August 16, 2013, 10:43:47 am
Post by: Vector on August 16, 2013, 10:47:47 am
Post by: The Scout on August 16, 2013, 10:49:58 am
Post by: kaian-a-coel on August 16, 2013, 10:50:40 am
I personally find that putting the eight world power (or is it sixth? Cant remember) and a country currently selling out 27% of its state ownings as equally non-privilegied is showing a small lack of general culture. Nothing else.Scored +107. Being a straight white male is already +80. The only reason I'm not higher on the list is because France is somehow equated with Spain, which is hilarious and sad at the same time.I'd rather live in Spain than France.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 16, 2013, 10:59:09 am
I'm pretty sure that that chart predates the crisis in spain.I personally find that putting the eight world power (or is it sixth? Cant remember) and a country currently selling out 27% of its state ownings as equally non-privilegied is showing a small lack of general culture. Nothing else.Scored +107. Being a straight white male is already +80. The only reason I'm not higher on the list is because France is somehow equated with Spain, which is hilarious and sad at the same time.I'd rather live in Spain than France.
Post by: Ogdibus on August 16, 2013, 11:02:43 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 16, 2013, 11:14:55 am
Being ugly makes you oppressed. Jews are more privileged than anyone else. Passing trans people count as privileged. The "social autist" label gives /v/ as an example. The list goes on - there's at least one obvious joke in pretty much every single section.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 16, 2013, 11:49:58 am
Being ugly makes you oppressed.Note here: "Ugly = oppressed" is too broad a statement, but I will say that body shame is a thing. A nasty thing.
Post by: Ogdibus on August 16, 2013, 12:04:07 pm
Ok, that's not really what you're doing, but that's not going to stop me from accusing you.
/me points furiously!
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 16, 2013, 12:05:01 pm
Post by: Darvi on August 16, 2013, 12:14:55 pm
Post by: Graknorke on August 16, 2013, 12:19:04 pm
Passing trans people count as privileged.That just recovers part of the -75 that's already there.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 16, 2013, 12:44:42 pm
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It's an incredibly interesting phenomenon. Also it's likely Tumblr gained its SJW crowd simply by drawing from the same demographic as reddit [see; no neckbeards].
I'm continuing reading back toward the start of this conversation and wow, this is like a compilation of every single dismissive lie anyone has made up about /SRS/ and a good chunk of the ones about social justice people on the internet in general.
Also I'd really like it if you stopped referring to LGBT people as "gays and traps".
Post by: Vector on August 16, 2013, 12:52:01 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 16, 2013, 02:17:40 pm
Being ugly makes you oppressed. Jews are more privileged than anyone else. Passing trans people count as privileged. The "social autist" label gives /v/ as an example. The list goes on - there's at least one obvious joke in pretty much every single section.
They're just trying to work as many issues as possible into the chart. Jews having it better is an actual thing that people believe. What everyone else said about the passing trans people reducing the minuses for being trans. And as for the jokes, making jokes /= trolling. See every documentary ever that has any funny parts, and a whole lot of satire. Also, you seem to be assuming that whoever made this chart is both smart and thought things through, which is a poor assumption on the internet. Particularly in favor of the "they didn't think this through" argument, the blind v paralyzed v retarded... oddness... isn't funny and doesn't make fun of anyone in particular, yet is obviously unrealistic. Also, the gaps in income ranges. How would someone who put in enough thought to make a rather subtle parody (subtle because there's nothing explicitly saying "this is parody" or explicitly making fun of SJW or whoever) miss such an obvious problem? Unless there's something funny there that I'm missing.
Finally, click on the link to Poe's Law within this very thread, and then stop insulting people's reading comprehension levels.
I'm going to stay away from the SJW conversation because, as I said before, I don't know the second thing about them. Except that for some reason they kept coming up in the Tropes against Women thread, but I'm also staying away from that because it ate too much of my time, so whatever. I just thought that chart was entertaining. I think I made that clear in my first post. Oh, and I have read a few posts abusing the term "privilege" on a very brief foray into Tumblr, so that part seemed fair.
Post by: Dutchling on August 16, 2013, 02:24:47 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on August 16, 2013, 02:26:52 pm
We need more SJWs here. They are arguably the best (and definitely the most hilarious) thing the internet managed to spawn so far.
it might be hilarious when you watch from a distance (and holy shit is it entertaining) but when you've got them all over a community you actually care about it's like a vermin infestation
unless you don't give a damn, in which case by all means. some people just want to watch the world burn after all.
Post by: Dutchling on August 16, 2013, 02:30:11 pm
Post by: kaenneth on August 16, 2013, 02:33:27 pm
Post by: Xantalos on August 16, 2013, 02:46:16 pm
Also I'd really like it if you stopped referring to LGBT people as "gays and traps".When did this happen? I are confizzle.
Post by: miauw62 on August 16, 2013, 02:56:23 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 16, 2013, 04:06:18 pm
Also I'd really like it if you stopped referring to LGBT people as "gays and traps".When did this happen? I are confizzle.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's an incredibly interesting phenomenon. Also it's likely Tumblr gained its SJW crowd simply by drawing from the same demographic as reddit [see; no neckbeards].
It was a little before I posted the chart.
Post by: penguinofhonor on August 16, 2013, 04:18:23 pm
/SRS/ can also be seen in /LGBT/, where they failed to take root and galvanized the gays and traps there of their hatred for feminism
They're just trying to work as many issues as possible into the chart. Jews having it better is an actual thing that people believe. What everyone else said about the passing trans people reducing the minuses for being trans. And as for the jokes, making jokes /= trolling. See every documentary ever that has any funny parts, and a whole lot of satire. Also, you seem to be assuming that whoever made this chart is both smart and thought things through, which is a poor assumption on the internet. Particularly in favor of the "they didn't think this through" argument, the blind v paralyzed v retarded... oddness... isn't funny and doesn't make fun of anyone in particular, yet is obviously unrealistic. Also, the gaps in income ranges. How would someone who put in enough thought to make a rather subtle parody (subtle because there's nothing explicitly saying "this is parody" or explicitly making fun of SJW or whoever) miss such an obvious problem? Unless there's something funny there that I'm missing.
Finally, click on the link to Poe's Law within this very thread, and then stop insulting people's reading comprehension levels.
I think you're assuming a lot of things about my argument that aren't true. I just said this is a parody.
You assume a lot of thought would need to be put into it - I don't think so. I think someone decided to make fun of the SJWs who think all of reality can be summed up as a labelled checklist of privileges and oppression, then probably spent 20 minutes writing it and posted it to 4chan. I don't think they actually cared enough about it to revise it, hence the errors.
Honestly, I could argue more, but I really don't feel the need to argue my point when the chart speaks for itself. The chart arbitrarily splits Europe into different privilege categories, two of which are labelled "meh" countries and "shit" countries. The religion section has a "Black & Jewish" label. /v/ is given as an example of autism (which really makes me think someone on 4chan made this - of course, 4chan is known as a den of SJWs so I guess that doesn't prove my point). There's a section for doing the privilege check on a Friday/Saturday night, implying that you must be oppressed if you don't have anything better to be doing.
Yes, not everything in this is a joke, like the blind/paralyzed/retarded section. There's a basic framework of pseudo-realistic SJW stuff in there. Note that these are the parts that seem least thought out, like the income ranges. That's because the creator didn't care about those parts. They're not the jokes, and they're not the point of the chart.
And heck, I haven't even mentioned the stuff that shows the author didn't know much about social justice warriors. For instance, asexuality doesn't count as oppression. SJWs are all about asexual oppression. The attractiveness section doesn't mention thin privilege in any way, even though they're all over that. And there are way more sexuality and gender identity labels that would have been jammed into those two sections.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 16, 2013, 04:49:25 pm
Post by: Darvi on August 16, 2013, 04:50:14 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 16, 2013, 06:19:25 pm
-snip-
The point I'm making is that just because its stupid and wrong doesn't prevent it from being genuine. And even if whoever made this is misrepresenting the SJWs, that doesn't mean they aren't one.
Yes, a lot of it could work as parody. But extreme enough viewpoints have a way of becoming unintentional self-parody, and I just don't think this chart has a strong tell where we can point at it and say "there is absolutely, 100%, no way that someone being sincere would write this."
Post by: SealyStar on August 16, 2013, 07:00:34 pm
Jews are more privileged than anyone else.In popular imagination in the US, at least(though not necessarily in reality), this is true, but not because they're Jews (as the chart jokingly supposes) so much as because of the ancillary "privileges" associated with Jewish-ness. There are, of course, Jews in Israel (Middle East, -600) but most of the Jews who stumble upon that chart are probably American (+20). Most of these Jews are white (+25), excepting those Ethiopians and Chinese, very few of whom live in the US, and mixed-race (Other, -100) people with Jewish mothers, like Drake. There is a certain degree of truth to the popular notion that American Jews are disproportionately high on the socioeconomic ladder (Affluent, +10, or in a few rare cases Rich, +100). A slightly less accurate stereotype that also has some basis in reality is that Jews are often bankers (+25). If they are religious and good about keeping the Sabbath, they won't be doing it on Saturday night (-15).
Post by: quinnr on August 16, 2013, 11:13:05 pm
The link was satire, I'm pretty sure :S
Post by: Graknorke on August 17, 2013, 09:07:30 am
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Post by: Flying Dice on August 17, 2013, 10:15:38 am
Link. (http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/16/20052566-republicans-vote-to-bar-cnn-nbc-news-from-partnering-in-16-debates?lite) Other link. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/16/gop-votes-bar-cnn-nbc-hosting-primary-debates/)
I mean, damn. This is so stupid I'm not even sure if it's worth posting in the politics thread. I'm beyond trusting or caring about either party, but it's shit like this that makes me view the Democrats as the party of greater sanity as well as of lesser evil.
Post by: Draxis on August 17, 2013, 12:32:15 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 17, 2013, 12:51:03 pm
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 17, 2013, 01:01:53 pm
So apparently the RNC voted to bar CNN and NBC from covering their 2016 primary debates because both channels are doing specials about Hillary Clinton. That's right RNC, you show those dirty elitist partisan bastards what's what! ::)
Link. (http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/16/20052566-republicans-vote-to-bar-cnn-nbc-news-from-partnering-in-16-debates?lite) Other link. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/16/gop-votes-bar-cnn-nbc-hosting-primary-debates/)
I mean, damn. This is so stupid I'm not even sure if it's worth posting in the politics thread. I'm beyond trusting or caring about either party, but it's shit like this that makes me view the Democrats as the party of greater sanity as well as of lesser evil.
This is the part where FOX news withers away and burns in it's dirt coffin, for being Republican, right? (before I get "the monologue", no, I don't watch Fox. Nor do I watch the partisan media corporations and/or organizations on the other side of the political spectrum]
In all seriousness, I'm glad some liberals can say that their favored sources have a political slant. Many try to deny it. Kudos.
Interesting to see how many prople still divide people into "Red vs Blue".
Also interesting is the idea that any party could be "of" sanity, or the "common good" (which, funnily, is whatever it is anybody wants it to be)
It looks to me a little like mob mentality.
Where you only feel comfortable about your values, virtues, and motovations (or lack thereof of aforementioned) as long as there is a movement, a revolution, a Glorious Band of Social Warriors (or, depending on your view, Social Warmongers), a politician, or (ironically) a giant media corporation (but dedicated to "the greater good", s'okay) that agrees with you and agrees to make you "feel good" about it beyond doubt.
Hmm... I have a snazzy, new, feel-good, all-inclusive (unless you disagree) new name for it. "Group Individualism". (dunno, somebody probly aka definitely thought of that before me, but oh well)
Post by: Descan on August 17, 2013, 01:20:57 pm
And by interesting, I mean annoying as fuck.
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 17, 2013, 01:25:50 pm
Interesting how a lot of really big twits say "interesting" when they mean "stupid", as if obfuscating what they really mean makes them sound smarter.
And by interesting, I mean annoying as fuck.
Or, by "interesting", I mean "interesting".
But I can't say I disagree with you. I could always add in 20+ "stupid", if that's the cure for OCD at the moment. For the moment.
Anything in that post you'd like to discuss now?
Post by: Vector on August 17, 2013, 01:35:26 pm
Interesting how a lot of really big twits say "interesting" when they mean "stupid", as if obfuscating what they really mean makes them sound smarter.
And by interesting, I mean annoying as fuck.
Hahahahahaha guilty as charged <3
Post by: kaijyuu on August 17, 2013, 01:42:16 pm
Post by: Graknorke on August 17, 2013, 01:51:16 pm
Isn't it impossible to have journalism without some sort of bias? "Neutrality" is just a golden mean fallacy and still has a bias (just that it's smack dab between two extremes). Also, trying to be as detached as possible can lead to some wacky crap; I would not at all be surprised to hear the BBC say something along the lines of "so and so committed genocide, which according to some is a horrible act."It's not for no reason though. They get accused of having a liberal bias by some organisation at least once a year.
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 17, 2013, 01:58:07 pm
Isn't it impossible to have journalism without some sort of bias? "Neutrality" is just a golden mean fallacy and still has a bias (just that it's smack dab between two extremes). Also, trying to be as detached as possible can lead to some wacky crap; I would not at all be surprised to hear the BBC say something along the lines of "so and so committed genocide, which according to some is a horrible act."
Anyone will say genocide is evil or call whatever they need to genocide until someone who they support does it themselves or endorses it.
As to neutrality, yes, amazingly it's possible to not put a pretty spin on everything and anything, for the idea that "everything is politics", and anything, absolutely anything can be used for an agenda. Every issue is a political issue, and it seems that the rule is that every issue MUST be turned into a political one, so why not use emotions, primarily hate, and envy, to drum up contention?
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 17, 2013, 02:00:26 pm
Isn't it impossible to have journalism without some sort of bias? "Neutrality" is just a golden mean fallacy and still has a bias (just that it's smack dab between two extremes). Also, trying to be as detached as possible can lead to some wacky crap; I would not at all be surprised to hear the BBC say something along the lines of "so and so committed genocide, which according to some is a horrible act."It's not for no reason though. They get accused of having a liberal bias by some organisation at least once a year.
And you're saying they don't? Strange, people are usually proud about it.
Because "at least they aren't Republicans".
Post by: Frumple on August 17, 2013, 02:07:27 pm
Anything in that post you'd like to discuss now?S'kinda' notable how you make the leap from "greater sanity" and "lesser evil" to "of sanity" and "greater good". The former doesn't necessarily imply the latter, especially when you're dealing with the american political scene. I haven't seen many people on any point of the political spectrum that has functioning eyes that thinks either party is actually sane or a net good. Just more or less worse than the other on particular issues. Seems to be a fairly steady constant among anyone who doesn't have the partisan prod lodged firmly in their cloaca, be they of a conservative or liberal slant.
But nah, the general hope that I've seen is that pretty much all of those entertainment news bastards choke on something and die. Fox is slightly (slightly) more egregious about their sorts bullshit, so there might be a bit more hope that it dies first (or perhaps just more spectacularly, haha!), but it's fairly standard crap across the spectrum. The larger news sources in the states are just kinda' scummy.
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 17, 2013, 02:11:44 pm
Post by: scriver on August 17, 2013, 02:15:46 pm
Post by: Frumple on August 17, 2013, 02:17:53 pm
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 17, 2013, 02:18:58 pm
He didn't say that. Remember how I gave you the advise to stop putting words in peoples mouths? Yeah, do that.
Eh, perhaps I didn't say he did, and was just expecting an answer?
Anyway, if you have something to say, be my guest.
Post by: Vector on August 17, 2013, 02:20:58 pm
Anyone will say genocide is evil or call whatever they need to genocide until someone who they support does it themselves or endorses it.
Beg pardon?
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 17, 2013, 02:26:28 pm
Anyone will say genocide is evil or call whatever they need to genocide until someone who they support does it themselves or endorses it.
Beg pardon?
Ah, sorry bout that, I think "ignore it wholeheartedly, always" fits better.
Not necesarily BBC, but visions of Glorious Cuba and NK come to mind.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 17, 2013, 03:00:28 pm
Anyhow, you caught me, PS. That's exactly what I am, a mindless sheep blindly following the One True Party, worshiping at the altar of the upholder of civil liberties. Bollocks. If this country had anything remotely resembling an actual leftist Social Democracy party that was genuinely trying to protect our civil rights, maybe I would fall in with them. But when the choice is between the "leftist" Democrats (and their supporters, who swallowed healthcare reform that forces citizens to buy a product on the open market as if it was somehow progressive!) who espouse the same policies that Reaganite Republicans did in the '80s, unelectable independents, conservative Republicans, and the batshit insane "tear-it-all-down" Teapartiers? Yeah, I'm absolutely filled with enthusiasm for all of these wonderful politicians who are no doubt even now planning further policies to protect our civil rights and balance the budget.
Take that with a grain of salt, though. I've been so embittered by U.S. politics that I can hardly even take them seriously these days.
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 17, 2013, 03:45:16 pm
It's seems more and more like "at least they aren't those Republicans"
As if "Republican vs Democrat" means anything or ever did.
Also, you basically said that Democrats aren't the One True Party but if there was you "might fall in win them".
Weird, it's like this turned from "Fox is even more biased" to "if they were REALLY liberal I'd like the media for their slant".
(cue *putting words in mouth voice recording*)
Just wondering, do you live in the US?
Post by: Ogdibus on August 17, 2013, 03:50:52 pm
Interesting how a lot of really big twits say "interesting" when they mean "stupid", as if obfuscating what they really mean makes them sound smarter.
And by interesting, I mean annoying as fuck.
"May you live in interesting times" will never sound the same to me again.
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 17, 2013, 03:59:09 pm
Interesting how a lot of really big twits say "interesting" when they mean "stupid", as if obfuscating what they really mean makes them sound smarter.
And by interesting, I mean annoying as fuck.
"May you live in interesting times" will never sound the same to me again.
"He's an interesting person."
"That's an interesting career choice."
"I hope to discover something at least mildly interesting while on my studies of various interesting historical figures".
From now on I'm gonna include "interesting" in every sentence I say to people.
P.S. This probably means if someone ever told you did something "uniquely" or had a "unique" idea, there was some serious malice behind it.
<_< >_>
Post by: Mr Space Cat on August 17, 2013, 05:02:58 pm
"What did you think about that in-depth historical assignment requiring an 800 page essay detailing the mentality of Vlad the Impaler when compared to a cup of coffee that was 100% of your grade this semester and would make or break you in an instant?"
"Oh, it was interesting."
I think it's less about being a malicious backhanded comment and more about just not knowing what else to say. Heck, sometimes stuff might be geniunely interesting, y'know?
Post by: Descan on August 17, 2013, 08:25:29 pm
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 17, 2013, 11:37:12 pm
Not sure what exactly what was a "dive" at the forumite, unless we all have a sensitivity of the same characteristics of brittle glass.
"Interesting" how easy it to look for and think you've discovered some sort of contention. ;)
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 18, 2013, 12:00:38 am
Right, I'm stupid for believing we don't all need to piss on each other. Thanks.
Now I can join the Stopputtingwordsinmymouth Club!!! YEEESSSHHHH!!!
Oh, and you're welcome.
Now could you explain what "the dive" was?
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 18, 2013, 10:56:24 am
Not sure how asking if he was American meant anything more than a question. Of course, there are dozens of ways to make anything into an issue.
Every issue is a political issue.
Every issue must be made into a political issue.
Every issue must be used.
Alright, to make you happy, I'll quote his post (although I'm not sure why you thiught I was talking to one person, I guess I should have quoted more) and be sure to address every point.
;) <------ That emoticon must be part of a strategy!!! Grrrrr
Post by: miauw62 on August 18, 2013, 12:22:33 pm
If you REALLY want to go on about this make another thread. Don't consider this as a personal attack, but I'm getting really annoyed that this thread is being derailed into a political thread.
Post by: Dutchling on August 18, 2013, 12:24:24 pm
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 18, 2013, 12:47:34 pm
Once again, you attack the argument instead of addressing it. Forget this. I don't need to say anything more.
I thought I just said I was going to quoye his post and make sure to adress every point.
:/ >_>
And yeah, sorry, this doesn't belong in this thread, I'll do that over in one of the politics threads.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 18, 2013, 08:15:43 pm
Post by: IronTomato on August 18, 2013, 09:49:16 pm
Yes, I am American, though I don't see why that's particularly relevant.You make me proud!
Post by: Hanslanda on August 18, 2013, 11:55:23 pm
This? This right here is why I avoid discussing politics online. I don't see much point in continuing this non-debate in another thread, but I will leave one thing: Yes, I am American, though I don't see why that's particularly relevant.
I too am an American. Curious that there are people from a large, populous, technologically advanced country on the internet in such quantities. I haven't seen anything from before this page though, so I have no idea what we were talking about.
Today, my friend got mad at me. I asked him a question, and IN THE MIDDLE OF ME SPEAKING, he interrupts and starts trying to tell me some shit about a game we were playing. I repeat my question, then again, louder, and finally one more time, completely drowning him out. He gets all defensive, but the fact of the matter is he does his little 'Oh that's nice but we should listen to me talk now' thing all the time. He has no right to be angry about it. Narcissistic people are a pet peeve of mine, I guess.
Post by: Xantalos on August 19, 2013, 12:06:39 am
Friend: STOP BEING SO NARCISSISTIC DUUUURRRRRR
Post by: Graknorke on August 19, 2013, 06:18:38 pm
Quote
Rape can take many forms, including cutting off a woman's aspirations before they even form.This wasn't even Tumblr.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 19, 2013, 06:31:06 pm
Thanks for the spit-take. I read that four times over before I processed it properly.QuoteRape can take many forms, including cutting off a woman's aspirations before they even form.This wasn't even Tumblr.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 19, 2013, 06:54:28 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on August 19, 2013, 06:56:07 pm
*sigh*
Yeah...that fits this thread all right.
Post by: Graknorke on August 19, 2013, 06:59:29 pm
Post by: Vector on August 19, 2013, 07:07:52 pm
Post by: majikero on August 19, 2013, 07:09:55 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 19, 2013, 07:13:09 pm
I just wanted to stop in here and say, with no sarcasm at all, that I really appreciate how people are separating the nutso tumblr-kiddies from actual online activists without being prompted or anything. It's really awesome.Sarcastically saying you're not saying something sarcastically? Double sarcasm, sarcasmception, or sarcasm-shit-stack?
Post by: LordSlowpoke on August 19, 2013, 07:13:48 pm
So anything that offends a woman counts as rape now? What a weird reversal to the old "Touching a woman makes her pregnant so take responsibility".
there's no such thing as sensible laws regarding anything when you deal with people who are willing and capable of abusing the laws for their benefit or simply to cause someone's misfortune
one of the reasons why lawyers exist
Post by: Vector on August 19, 2013, 07:15:01 pm
I just wanted to stop in here and say, with no sarcasm at all, that I really appreciate how people are separating the nutso tumblr-kiddies from actual online activists without being prompted or anything. It's really awesome.Sarcastically saying you're not saying something sarcastically? Double sarcasm, sarcasmception, or sarcasm-shit-stack?
No, I have a personal rule that if I say "no sarcasm," I always mean "no sarcasm," because it's so fucking hard to tell if I'm being sarcastic or not.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 19, 2013, 07:18:19 pm
I just wanted to stop in here and say, with no sarcasm at all, that I really appreciate how people are separating the nutso tumblr-kiddies from actual online activists without being prompted or anything. It's really awesome.Sarcastically saying you're not saying something sarcastically? Double sarcasm, sarcasmception, or sarcasm-shit-stack?
No, I have a personal rule that if I say "no sarcasm," I always mean "no sarcasm," because it's so fucking hard to tell if I'm being sarcastic or not.
This would be the perfect time for a demotivational of Fry with his squinty face on, and the text reading, "Can't tell if being sarcastic, or if I'm lost in antisarcasmception..."
Post by: Vector on August 19, 2013, 07:21:08 pm
I just wanted to stop in here and say, with no sarcasm at all, that I really appreciate how people are separating the nutso tumblr-kiddies from actual online activists without being prompted or anything. It's really awesome.Sarcastically saying you're not saying something sarcastically? Double sarcasm, sarcasmception, or sarcasm-shit-stack?
No, I have a personal rule that if I say "no sarcasm," I always mean "no sarcasm," because it's so fucking hard to tell if I'm being sarcastic or not.
. . . No sarcasm ;)
Post by: Sirus on August 19, 2013, 07:31:28 pm
Gee, that's such a good idea.I just wanted to stop in here and say, with no sarcasm at all, that I really appreciate how people are separating the nutso tumblr-kiddies from actual online activists without being prompted or anything. It's really awesome.Sarcastically saying you're not saying something sarcastically? Double sarcasm, sarcasmception, or sarcasm-shit-stack?
No, I have a personal rule that if I say "no sarcasm," I always mean "no sarcasm," because it's so fucking hard to tell if I'm being sarcastic or not.
...no sarcasm.
Post by: Descan on August 19, 2013, 07:33:07 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on August 19, 2013, 07:35:01 pm
You're all nuts.
no sarcasm?
Post by: Descan on August 19, 2013, 07:35:34 pm
Post by: Frumple on August 19, 2013, 07:36:11 pm
Maybe we just need a font literally called "Sarcasm" so people will know to actually use it?
Post by: Sirus on August 19, 2013, 07:38:03 pm
Post by: Frumple on August 19, 2013, 07:39:14 pm
Or quote the post to check for formatting. Or get whatever sort of update they need to be able to.
E: Or do without and be forever unsure as to the sincerity of online posts, like with the miserable present. The future of sarcasm font will be as to modern image browsers what modern image browsers are to the days of strict text output and smoke signaling.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 19, 2013, 07:50:47 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 19, 2013, 07:58:30 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 19, 2013, 07:59:05 pm
Huh. Well it seemed to me like they kind of were lumping together Tumblrites and reasonable web activists, and that you were sarcastically objecting.I just wanted to stop in here and say, with no sarcasm at all, that I really appreciate how people are separating the nutso tumblr-kiddies from actual online activists without being prompted or anything. It's really awesome.Sarcastically saying you're not saying something sarcastically? Double sarcasm, sarcasmception, or sarcasm-shit-stack?
No, I have a personal rule that if I say "no sarcasm," I always mean "no sarcasm," because it's so fucking hard to tell if I'm being sarcastic or not.
Post by: Sirus on August 19, 2013, 07:59:35 pm
It isn't as if there's a simpler way to indicate sarcasm⸮A featureless grey box?
Post by: Frumple on August 19, 2013, 08:07:47 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 19, 2013, 08:13:15 pm
Post by: Mr Space Cat on August 19, 2013, 08:20:33 pm
We can use that hip new fad of using #hashtags at the end of #posts to indicate we're using #sarcasm. It's really #clever and #not #silly or #overused at all. #sarcasmthat was so meta I vomited in my mouth a bit.It isn't as if there's a simpler way to indicate sarcasm⸮A featureless grey box?
Personally I think the BBCode [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] should be a thing.
Post by: Hanslanda on August 19, 2013, 08:21:56 pm
Post by: Graknorke on August 20, 2013, 05:34:57 pm
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En route home from france, my aunt pulled out her used up disposable cameras and in all seriousness said "I never saw the point in these, you cant see your photos at all when its used, it just goes in the bin"
Post by: Dutchling on August 20, 2013, 06:02:05 pm
Part of a conversation I was having with a friend.watQuoteEn route home from france, my aunt pulled out her used up disposable cameras and in all seriousness said "I never saw the point in these, you cant see your photos at all when its used, it just goes in the bin"
;_;
Post by: Graknorke on August 20, 2013, 06:05:53 pm
Post by: Dutchling on August 20, 2013, 06:09:42 pm
how can you do that more than once D:
Post by: Ogdibus on August 20, 2013, 06:16:29 pm
If not, I'm going to die a little inside.
Post by: SealyStar on August 21, 2013, 07:38:08 am
Basically, she takes pictures with disposable cameras, but rather than sending them to be developed she just throws the cameras away.What an idiot.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 21, 2013, 08:39:28 am
Wasting perfectly edible film like that.Basically, she takes pictures with disposable cameras, but rather than sending them to be developed she just throws the cameras away.What an idiot.
Post by: tahujdt on August 23, 2013, 12:39:12 pm
Not if you're a werewolf.Wasting perfectly edible film like that.Basically, she takes pictures with disposable cameras, but rather than sending them to be developed she just throws the cameras away.What an idiot.
Post by: Sirus on August 23, 2013, 12:42:39 pm
Mystery solved. The aunt is suffering from lycanthropy.Not if you're a werewolf.Wasting perfectly edible film like that.Basically, she takes pictures with disposable cameras, but rather than sending them to be developed she just throws the cameras away.What an idiot.
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 24, 2013, 10:16:33 am
Mystery solved. The aunt is suffering from lycanthropy.So Grak's aunt is secretly Wrex wearing a wig, and Grak is the modern equivalent of little red riding hood?
Post by: Graknorke on August 24, 2013, 10:34:44 am
Not my aunt, it's a friend's.Mystery solved. The aunt is suffering from lycanthropy.So Grak's aunt is secretly Wrex wearing a wig, and Grak is the modern equivalent of little red riding hood?
Post by: tahujdt on August 24, 2013, 01:49:07 pm
Good, so you aren't going to inherit weregenes and transform while typiasdfglkjasdfjla;ksdfakjlsdfasdfg.Not my aunt, it's a friend's.Mystery solved. The aunt is suffering from lycanthropy.So Grak's aunt is secretly Wrex wearing a wig, and Grak is the modern equivalent of little red riding hood?
Post by: da_nang on August 24, 2013, 04:33:04 pm
And this is why we don't pet the Visorak, Tahu.Good, so you aren't going to inherit weregenes and transform while typiasdfglkjasdfjla;ksdfakjlsdfasdfg.Not my aunt, it's a friend's.Mystery solved. The aunt is suffering from lycanthropy.So Grak's aunt is secretly Wrex wearing a wig, and Grak is the modern equivalent of little red riding hood?
Post by: Putnam on August 25, 2013, 01:24:19 am
Post by: NobodyPro on August 25, 2013, 01:30:06 am
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/927749-xbox-360/67069322/755742291Oh lawd
Post by: Sensei on August 25, 2013, 01:47:51 am
Post by: Steelmagic on August 25, 2013, 01:50:43 am
I call troll.Yeah probably. That account was made seemingly for the sole purpose of saying that.
EDIT: wait no i don't know what I'm talking about.
Post by: sackhead on August 25, 2013, 06:24:59 am
mind you i did convince him H.G wells and Winston Churchill were the same person...
and Lenin invented a steam engine that does not need water...
There was also the time i nearly tricked him into eating lead by saying "Here you go freind this is Plumbum the wolds only edible metal" i had to knock it from his hand to stop him biting it.
all this hapend over the last 2 years
Post by: SealyStar on August 25, 2013, 07:15:55 am
in history last year my 16-17 year old friend asked me who won WW1...Are you serious?
mind you i did convince him H.G wells and Winston Churchill were the same person...
and Lenin invented a steam engine that does not need water...
There was also the time i nearly tricked him into eating lead by saying "Here you go freind this is Plumbum the wolds only edible metal" i had to knock it from his hand to stop him biting it.
all this hapend over the last 2 years
Post by: anzki4 on August 25, 2013, 08:31:20 am
"Here you go freind this is Plumbum the wolds only edible metal"I would like to disagree. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_mineral) :P
Post by: sackhead on August 26, 2013, 12:52:25 am
yes but we eat them in ionic form not lumps of lead"Here you go freind this is Plumbum the wolds only edible metal"I would like to disagree. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_mineral) :P
Post by: Sirus on August 26, 2013, 12:53:48 am
Post by: Descan on August 26, 2013, 01:02:08 am
But it'll pass right through you like a mildly expensive flaky freight train.
Post by: Sensei on August 26, 2013, 01:31:55 am
What's more, you can also find some desserts that include diamonds (http://www.bornrich.com/worlds-expensive-dessert-34440-dessert-menu-lake-district-hotel.html).
Post by: Graknorke on August 26, 2013, 10:36:19 am
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PC Gamer comments section.
i can name tons of faults with the PC
1) I can get virus (trogons worm tracking cookie spyware ETC)
2) get old quick and will need updating more often
3)has a very limited RAM size (max 20GB (not that big to mine witch I made it has 40 GB)
4) screen can brake
5) can be hacked
6) can fall over and brake
7) must pay broadband to stay connected to the internet
8) can give you the blue screen of doom
9) can over load with memory
10) needs a ton of soft were and hardware
11) not as mobile
12) can get locked out
13) more cables to tidy up
14) Disc drive broke
I have a college degree in I.T. and Software/ hardware programing so you cant say bullshit because I work will Dell and had a previse job at ASUS so yea PC is bad but the consoles have less floors to the
P.S. "it sucks" is not a valid reason
Post by: majikero on August 26, 2013, 10:43:01 am
Post by: tomio175 on August 26, 2013, 11:06:59 am
I don't get it. Please explain.He's complaining about PC's and pointing out weaknesses pretty much everything has.
As in, "a car can break down", not "a car can break down more easily than a bike" or something.
TL;DR: He's a retard.
Post by: Dutchling on August 26, 2013, 11:11:33 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 26, 2013, 11:12:54 am
Post by: majikero on August 26, 2013, 11:19:00 am
Honestly, those problems are what keeps IT professionals in demand. He should be glad those problems exists.
Post by: Aptus on August 26, 2013, 11:20:00 am
And he works will Dell!
He must be old indeed to have lived and worked with the master of Gonville and Caius College. Imagine how much he must know! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dell)
Post by: tahujdt on August 26, 2013, 11:35:32 am
But they're so cute!And this is why we don't pet the Visorak, Tahu.Good, so you aren't going to inherit weregenes and transform while typiasdfglkjasdfjla;ksdfakjlsdfasdfg.Not my aunt, it's a friend's.Mystery solved. The aunt is suffering from lycanthropy.So Grak's aunt is secretly Wrex wearing a wig, and Grak is the modern equivalent of little red riding hood?
Post by: Redzephyr01 on August 26, 2013, 09:13:57 pm
-One of my friends.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on August 26, 2013, 09:14:58 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 27, 2013, 04:13:26 am
what is dftermNot multiplayer. At best it could be taken as online Simultaneous Hotseat play, but it's both no longer supported and fairly unknown. Also, 3d party software.
Post by: sackhead on August 27, 2013, 04:28:15 am
Yeah, people DO eat gold. (http://www.pastrychef.com/EDIBLE-GOLD-LEAF_p_738.html)
What's more, you can also find some desserts that include diamonds (http://www.bornrich.com/worlds-expensive-dessert-34440-dessert-menu-lake-district-hotel.html).
not what sensei said but people eating diamonds
Post by: Octobomb on August 27, 2013, 04:30:35 am
Post by: frostshotgg on August 27, 2013, 06:39:06 am
its kinda silly but not amazingly stupid. It's just carbon, and diamonds aren't actually worth much.Yeah, people DO eat gold. (http://www.pastrychef.com/EDIBLE-GOLD-LEAF_p_738.html)
What's more, you can also find some desserts that include diamonds (http://www.bornrich.com/worlds-expensive-dessert-34440-dessert-menu-lake-district-hotel.html).
not what sensei said but people eating diamonds
Post by: Skyrunner on August 27, 2013, 09:25:05 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 27, 2013, 09:28:46 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 27, 2013, 09:37:19 am
If you scroll down to the very bottom, there are two $50 desserts that have gold in them. $50 is a lot more stomachable a price than the extravagant $15000 deserts up above.
And I just searched and found that our body doesn't provide the pressure nor temperature to melt diamonds x3
Post by: Putnam on August 27, 2013, 10:59:42 am
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 27, 2013, 01:07:58 pm
"Toilet has been struck down!"
"You are surrounded by incessant cackling."
Post by: Graknorke on August 27, 2013, 01:14:02 pm
"The Diamond strikes The Toilet in the drain, shattering the drain and tearing it into the plumbing!"You would need some pretty powerful muscles for that.
"Toilet has been struck down!"
"You are surrounded by incessant cackling."
Post by: Redzephyr01 on August 27, 2013, 01:38:31 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 27, 2013, 03:57:41 pm
So today, my friends and I were talking about overrated youtubers, and I said that I didn't like Pewdiepie because he makes rape jokes all the time, so one of my friends tried to convince me that if comedians stopped making rape jokes, the economy would collapse somehow.Uh. I think we need a hall of fame, just because of this. Are you sure he wasn't pulling your leg?
Post by: Neonivek on August 27, 2013, 04:00:08 pm
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I just searched and found that our body doesn't provide the pressure nor temperature to melt diamonds
Untrue. If you were to somehow harness all the Calories in the human body it is more then enough to melt a diamond.
Post by: Descan on August 27, 2013, 04:28:24 pm
I mean, a sword is just an arrangement of iron atoms. You melt a sword down, you get a puddle of iron, not "liquid sword". Doesn't make the sword any less meltable.
Same for diamond.
(Though I don't know if diamond is actually meltable or not? Still, your logic is... interesting.)
Post by: Redzephyr01 on August 27, 2013, 04:32:08 pm
He wasn't talking in a sarcastic tone of voice, and I asked him if he was joking, and he said no.So today, my friends and I were talking about overrated youtubers, and I said that I didn't like Pewdiepie because he makes rape jokes all the time, so one of my friends tried to convince me that if comedians stopped making rape jokes, the economy would collapse somehow.Uh. I think we need a hall of fame, just because of this. Are you sure he wasn't pulling your leg?
Post by: Octobomb on August 27, 2013, 04:33:34 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 27, 2013, 04:35:56 pm
Diamonds burn at temperatures of I-can't-be-bothered-to-look-it-up but under enough pressure and heat they have been liquified. Also, artificial diamonds can be created by compressing carbon sufficiently.
Around 5000 degrees celcius. Enough to survive mantle temperatures.
The human body has 77000 calories, enough to heat a cup of water to 77000 degrees kelvin above room temperature.
Post by: Graknorke on August 27, 2013, 04:59:57 pm
Post by: Ross Vernal on August 27, 2013, 06:59:05 pm
He wasn't talking in a sarcastic tone of voice, and I asked him if he was joking, and he said no.So today, my friends and I were talking about overrated youtubers, and I said that I didn't like Pewdiepie because he makes rape jokes all the time, so one of my friends tried to convince me that if comedians stopped making rape jokes, the economy would collapse somehow.Uh. I think we need a hall of fame, just because of this. Are you sure he wasn't pulling your leg?
Murder is the only solution.
Contribution:
"White Republican Men were the leaders of the suffragette movement!"
- White republican man on facebook
Post by: Dutchling on August 27, 2013, 07:20:08 pm
I am confused. I thought suffragettes are those sticks people throw in the air and then catch again?He wasn't talking in a sarcastic tone of voice, and I asked him if he was joking, and he said no.So today, my friends and I were talking about overrated youtubers, and I said that I didn't like Pewdiepie because he makes rape jokes all the time, so one of my friends tried to convince me that if comedians stopped making rape jokes, the economy would collapse somehow.Uh. I think we need a hall of fame, just because of this. Are you sure he wasn't pulling your leg?
Murder is the only solution.
Contribution:
"White Republican Men were the leaders of the suffragette movement!"
- White republican man on facebook
Post by: Flying Dice on August 27, 2013, 08:07:04 pm
I am confused. I thought suffragettes are those sticks people throw in the air and then catch again?He wasn't talking in a sarcastic tone of voice, and I asked him if he was joking, and he said no.So today, my friends and I were talking about overrated youtubers, and I said that I didn't like Pewdiepie because he makes rape jokes all the time, so one of my friends tried to convince me that if comedians stopped making rape jokes, the economy would collapse somehow.Uh. I think we need a hall of fame, just because of this. Are you sure he wasn't pulling your leg?
Murder is the only solution.
Contribution:
"White Republican Men were the leaders of the suffragette movement!"
- White republican man on facebook
Wiki-man to the rescue! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette)
I prefer Bowie, though. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnPd7lzT4g)
Post by: Skyrunner on August 27, 2013, 09:29:59 pm
But you can't. By 'our body' I mean our stomachs specifically. To be dissolved by acid we need 400°C and many atm of pressure.QuoteI just searched and found that our body doesn't provide the pressure nor temperature to melt diamonds
Untrue. If you were to somehow harness all the Calories in the human body it is more then enough to melt a diamond.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 27, 2013, 09:32:46 pm
Well, given enough bodies and a liberal application of magma...But you can't. By 'our body' I mean our stomachs specifically. To be dissolved by acid we need 400°C and many atm of pressure.QuoteI just searched and found that our body doesn't provide the pressure nor temperature to melt diamonds
Untrue. If you were to somehow harness all the Calories in the human body it is more then enough to melt a diamond.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 27, 2013, 09:40:12 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on August 27, 2013, 09:46:31 pm
Don't need magma, just bodies. Few trillion of them in outer space, or at least enough to form a gravity well, and you've got plenty of pressure and heat at the center of the floating ball of meat.At that pressure, wouldn't they just heat up and melt into meat-magma anyway?
Post by: da_nang on August 28, 2013, 01:52:48 am
Related. (http://what-if.xkcd.com/4/)Don't need magma, just bodies. Few trillion of them in outer space, or at least enough to form a gravity well, and you've got plenty of pressure and heat at the center of the floating ball of meat.At that pressure, wouldn't they just heat up and melt into meat-magma anyway?
Post by: Hanslanda on August 28, 2013, 05:04:08 pm
Related. (http://what-if.xkcd.com/4/)Don't need magma, just bodies. Few trillion of them in outer space, or at least enough to form a gravity well, and you've got plenty of pressure and heat at the center of the floating ball of meat.At that pressure, wouldn't they just heat up and melt into meat-magma anyway?
If you hadn't posted that, I would have.
MOLEWORLD.
Post by: miauw62 on August 29, 2013, 10:34:57 am
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Altough the real reason is because it supports, condone encourages trolling. For something as famous as it once was, that is terrible.Wut? It doesn't really matter wether you like homestuck or not, that is stupid.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 29, 2013, 11:10:23 am
QuoteFor something as famous as it once was
...Are we talking about the same Homestuck? :P
Post by: Putnam on August 29, 2013, 12:30:02 pm
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 29, 2013, 12:45:53 pm
- Governor Terminator
Silly Schwartz, how could the local desert wildlife possibly survive with some mirrors sticking out of the ground, and an underground power line!
Post by: tahujdt on August 29, 2013, 01:03:21 pm
"If we cannot put [solar plants] it in the Mojave desert, I don't know where the hell we can put it."The same way that birds can survive around forests of wind farms.
- Governor Terminator
Silly Schwartz, how could the local desert wildlife possibly survive with some mirrors sticking out of the ground, and an underground power line!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You know, I'm waiting for some animal-rights (or at least someone on Tumblr) group to claim that using fossil fuels counts as animal cruelty, because you're burning dead dinosaurs.
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 29, 2013, 02:43:18 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 29, 2013, 02:47:18 pm
Post by: Eotyrannus on August 29, 2013, 02:50:18 pm
So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.
A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 29, 2013, 02:51:06 pm
You know, I'm waiting for some animal-rights (or at least someone on Tumblr) group to claim that using fossil fuels counts as animal cruelty, because you're burning dead dinosaurs.
Oh sure, that's fine. But the moment you start using dead humans to make biscuits its suddenly some big deal.
Post by: Dutchling on August 29, 2013, 02:54:05 pm
It's better to make soap. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses)You know, I'm waiting for some animal-rights (or at least someone on Tumblr) group to claim that using fossil fuels counts as animal cruelty, because you're burning dead dinosaurs.
Oh sure, that's fine. But the moment you start using dead humans to make biscuits its suddenly some big deal.
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 29, 2013, 02:56:57 pm
So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.
A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.
So, I quote the terminator; If we can't put it in the Mojave Desert, WHERE THE HELL CAN WE PUT IIIITTTT BLLAAAARRGGHHH?
And, just to clarify, you're saying that there's not a single place in freaking Death Valley that we can stick up a few mirrors and an electrical line in? And that Bob The Tortoise can't possibly live with said mirrors blocking the sun in a few places; i.e. the area right below them?
Post by: LordSlowpoke on August 29, 2013, 02:58:10 pm
So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.
A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.
So, I quote the terminator; If we can't put it in the Mojave Desert, WHERE THE HELL CAN WE PUT IIIITTTT BLLAAAARRGGHHH?
In orbit. All you need is about 36 thousand kilometers cable per satellite. Nothing can go wrong.
Post by: Eotyrannus on August 29, 2013, 02:59:03 pm
There's plenty of old factories and whatnot. They're already near all the roads and stuff, so we can just take down older things we don't need and put solar panels there instead.So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.
A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.
So, I quote the terminator; If we can't put it in the Mojave Desert, WHERE THE HELL CAN WE PUT IIIITTTT BLLAAAARRGGHHH?
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 29, 2013, 03:06:59 pm
So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.
A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.
So, I quote the terminator; If we can't put it in the Mojave Desert, WHERE THE HELL CAN WE PUT IIIITTTT BLLAAAARRGGHHH?
In orbit. All you need is about 36 thousand kilometers cable per satellite. Nothing can go wrong.
FOR TEH PLANET
Post by: kaenneth on August 29, 2013, 05:03:17 pm
The stupid person says "Right," to indicate he understood the question, then "Turn left here, and it's just ahead."
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fortunately, she parsed it as intended, and turned left, not right.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 29, 2013, 05:07:37 pm
Reduced efficiency. Also, Idiots could get at them and break them.There's plenty of old factories and whatnot. They're already near all the roads and stuff, so we can just take down older things we don't need and put solar panels there instead.So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.
A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.
So, I quote the terminator; If we can't put it in the Mojave Desert, WHERE THE HELL CAN WE PUT IIIITTTT BLLAAAARRGGHHH?
And yeah, solar panels are pretty disruptive. Animals in desert generally rely on heat differences to regulate their biorhythm, so that little bit of shadow can make a huge difference.
Post by: Eric Blank on August 29, 2013, 06:57:20 pm
I'd be most concerned for the lives of the sagebrush, if anything.
Just build a goddamn nuclear plant, fucking terminator. There are at least a few good locations for one nearby.
Post by: Dutchling on August 29, 2013, 07:22:01 pm
I'm really struggling to understand your point.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 29, 2013, 07:27:48 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 29, 2013, 07:30:31 pm
Fortunately, Bob the tortoise, while too slow to outrun the coyotes, is still fast enough to move out of the way of the shadow cast by an immobile, fucking, solar panel. That may or may not rotate occasionally. Or into it if he fucking feels like it. Don't tell Bob what he can or can't do!I was thinking more about some of the burrowing species. Say one happens to burrow near a solar panel. Shadow moves over, the sand cools down, and the animal emerges, thinking twilight has come. Which it hasn't. Animal overheats, dies, or wastes precious energy.
Effects are fairly minimal, but not nonexistent.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 29, 2013, 07:31:53 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 29, 2013, 07:34:28 pm
but yeah, the effects are neglible.
Post by: Dutchling on August 29, 2013, 07:35:05 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 29, 2013, 07:35:24 pm
Post by: Parsely on August 29, 2013, 07:48:42 pm
ebbor, what is your avatar?Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 29, 2013, 07:51:00 pm
ebbor, what is your avatar?It's the guide.
Quote from: -This guide
In many of the more relaxed civilizations on the Outer Eastern Rim of the Galaxy, the Hitchhiker’s Guide has already supplanted the great Encyclopaedia Galactica as the standard repository of all knowledge and wisdom, for though it has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate, it scores over the older, more pedestrian work in two important respects. First, it is slightly cheaper; and second, it has the words “DON’T PANIC” inscribed in large friendly letters on its cover.
Really, worrying about shit like this instead of (say) what hydroelectric dams do to waterway ecosystems is pretty much rage-worthy.You were going to need to build those dams anyway for energy storage.
Post by: Eotyrannus on August 30, 2013, 05:32:59 am
Post by: NobodyPro on August 30, 2013, 05:47:23 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 30, 2013, 05:56:18 am
Post by: Frumple on August 30, 2013, 07:41:45 am
I don't think the (currently) better large scale solar options would have that much of a problem, regarding that. They're basically just freaking gigantic mirrors concentrating sunlight on a point. Not much heat/light spewing around everywhere. You don't want that, anyway. Wasted energy.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 30, 2013, 07:56:56 am
We... kinda' do? I mean, urban areas. More or less. Reflection or heat trapping being the cause of it is fairly irrelevant, I think? Effect would still be more or less the same. Not that there isn't plenty of reflection going on in those areas, too.Urban areas increase temperatures by 5 to 10 degrees . Depending on time and location. The effects of that aren't very neglible, but they're drowned out by the effects of the mass of steel and concrete
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I don't think the (currently) better large scale solar options would have that much of a problem, regarding that. They're basically just freaking gigantic mirrors concentrating sunlight on a point. Not much heat/light spewing around everywhere. You don't want that, anyway. Wasted energy.I meant that the light is reflected rather than wasted on the ground, resulting in lower temperatures on average. Probably neglible, but the effects exist.
Post by: Akura on August 30, 2013, 12:38:08 pm
Frantic woman drives up with an unconscious man in the passenger seat, "Which way is xxx Hospital?"Reminds me of a few weeks ago, when someone pulled up to me to ask where a specific street was(said street is a 6-lane highway, kinda hard to miss). Drives off before I finish explaining. I hope they got lost.
The stupid person says "Right," to indicate he understood the question, then "Turn left here, and it's just ahead."Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fortunately, she parsed it as intended, and turned left, not right.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on August 30, 2013, 04:18:33 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 30, 2013, 05:08:01 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 30, 2013, 05:17:22 pm
While I'm open to the idea of solar panels being harmful, it seems implausible to me. The world is already littered with millions of organic solar panels called plants.Well, cover the desert in plants = No more desert.
It's not because it's organic that it can't be harmful to the environment.
((Starting to get a bit tired of the Organic/natural stuff is automatically good argument))
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 30, 2013, 05:19:13 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on August 30, 2013, 05:31:29 pm
Perhaps more relevantly, our solar power and the solar power of plants are far different. Which is quite a shame, because if (and likely when) our solar power's efficiency is equal to that of plants, they will be very powerful indeed.
As with many aspects of science and engineering, copying nature might be the best bet. (http://actu.epfl.ch/news/how-to-turn-leaves-into-solar-panels/)
Post by: Redzephyr01 on August 30, 2013, 07:32:32 pm
No, he didn't. He had a skin condition. Look it up.
Post by: kaijyuu on August 30, 2013, 07:34:33 pm
Post by: Redzephyr01 on August 30, 2013, 08:00:13 pm
"Thin privilege is being able to die of natural causes." -some idiot on tumblr
Post by: Putnam on August 30, 2013, 08:00:58 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 31, 2013, 07:49:38 am
"Natural causes" refers mostly to things that obesity makes more likely for you >.<Hence the logic behind it. An obese person dies from an obesitas induced heart attack, a thin person from a "natural" heart attack.
After all, natural causes just means that we didn't know what caused it.
Post by: Graknorke on August 31, 2013, 08:11:14 am
Post by: tahujdt on August 31, 2013, 12:13:44 pm
Did anyone save anything to do with short privilege? That shit was hilarious.Doghouse diaries did a strip on advantages and disadvantages to being tall, and another one for being short.
Post by: weenog on August 31, 2013, 12:16:41 pm
Post by: werty892 on August 31, 2013, 01:59:17 pm
In other news, I overheard someone saying at a restaurant "The Service here is so slow, we should have gone to [Fast food restaurant]"
FAST FOOD IS FASTER THAN EVERYWHERE.
Post by: SealyStar on August 31, 2013, 04:43:08 pm
obesitasI love the way you use Latin to refer to a medical condition when a near-identical English form exists. It makes you look like a magick herbe and potion healer type from the middle ages.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 31, 2013, 04:48:55 pm
Forsooth, I say,...obesitasI love the way you use Latin to refer to a medical condition when a near-identical English form exists. It makes you look like a magick herbe and potion healer type from the middle ages.
Post by: SealyStar on August 31, 2013, 05:27:56 pm
I disproved this, at least to my own satisfaction, by telling him that the laptop could connect to wireless internet, which AFAIK didn't exist in 1988. There are all sorts of ways I could prove the laptop isn't that old, but that would involve technical specs which I couldn't be bothered to look up.
Post by: Graknorke on August 31, 2013, 05:36:59 pm
I know this doesn't belong in this thread but I just now say the tagline under your avatar. And I get the reference.
If the post needs some relevance to the thread, the source material was in general pretty stupid.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 31, 2013, 05:38:51 pm
Post by: SealyStar on August 31, 2013, 05:43:02 pm
For the record, Ghost said he was going to start broadcasting again in Autumn.#thisfallforsure
Of course, saying you believe him kind of qualifies for this thread. Ghost is horribly unreliable about ending and restarting the show; he's threatened to - and actually done - both at least a dozen times probably.
Post by: PatriotSaint on August 31, 2013, 06:12:38 pm
Don't you understand!? We're forcing those poor animals to walk to a slightly different part of barren desert in order to stay in the sun! Oh, the unhumanity!
Let's declare on all rock formations and other miscellaneous objects! How dare they block the sun of our animal friends! Death to shade-hoarders! ATTAAAACCKK!!!
Post by: miauw62 on September 01, 2013, 04:07:36 am
Post by: SealyStar on September 01, 2013, 06:58:47 am
Ebbor said obesitas not because it's Latin, but because that's the Dutch term :POh :P
That's one of my favorite linguistic correspondences, how every European language has its own form of -ty (or, to be etymologically correct, -tas). -dad, -té, -tät, -tŕ.
Post by: Graknorke on September 01, 2013, 03:57:33 pm
On the same video as before.
The video where it is pointed out why that is stupid.
Post by: IronTomato on September 01, 2013, 11:26:43 pm
Yes, as a matter of fact I do. I always know because people like you, which is to say everyone, never even talk to me unless it's asking me about my brother.
How about "Hi, Sam. How are you?" "Hi, sorry I hung up on you the other day, I wanted to wait until I saw you so I could ask you where your brother is!"
Post by: Toady One on September 03, 2013, 05:45:32 am
Post by: Eotyrannus on September 03, 2013, 05:56:29 am
*banhammer to the face*
Post by: Xantalos on September 03, 2013, 05:57:22 am
Post by: Mr Space Cat on September 03, 2013, 04:45:09 pm
Sssssshhhhhh. Now no one knows our secret.You mean the secret that everyone on Bay12 are actually mantises and lizardpeople in disguise? I didn't know that, you guys should've said something.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 03, 2013, 04:59:00 pm
I thought we were mantises. :oWait, I thought we were mushroommen?Sssssshhhhhh. Now no one knows our secret.You mean the secret that everyone on Bay12 are actually mantises and lizardpeople in disguise? I didn't know that, you guys should've said something.
Strange people.
Post by: Eotyrannus on September 03, 2013, 05:13:37 pm
Post by: ggamer on September 03, 2013, 08:52:58 pm
oshit
Post by: Helgoland on September 04, 2013, 05:42:11 am
Post by: Graknorke on September 04, 2013, 01:34:30 pm
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wot the fok did ye just say 2 me m8? i dropped out of newcastle primary skool im the sickest bloke ull ever meet & ive nicked 300 candy bars from tha corner store. im trained in street fitin’ & im the strongest foker in tha entire newcastle gym. yer nothin to me but a cheeky lil dickhead w/ a hot mum & fake bling. ill waste u and smash a fokin bottle oer yer head bruv, i swer 2 christ. ya think u can fokin run ya gabber at me whilst sittin on yer arse behind a lil screen? think again wankaIt is stupid so why do I like it so much?
Post by: Putnam on September 04, 2013, 01:43:55 pm
Post by: Parsely on September 04, 2013, 02:18:56 pm
oy fokker ill bludy crak yer eds mete. on yer bike yew fokkin dozy wanka.Quotewot the fok did ye just say 2 me m8? i dropped out of newcastle primary skool im the sickest bloke ull ever meet & ive nicked 300 candy bars from tha corner store. im trained in street fitin’ & im the strongest foker in tha entire newcastle gym. yer nothin to me but a cheeky lil dickhead w/ a hot mum & fake bling. ill waste u and smash a fokin bottle oer yer head bruv, i swer 2 christ. ya think u can fokin run ya gabber at me whilst sittin on yer arse behind a lil screen? think again wankaIt is stupid so why do I like it so much?
Post by: Xantalos on September 04, 2013, 02:48:13 pm
waaaaaaaagh
Post by: Parsely on September 04, 2013, 03:03:15 pm
Post by: Octobomb on September 04, 2013, 03:14:39 pm
WAAAAAAAAAAGH!FTFY. In the name of
Post by: Eotyrannus on September 04, 2013, 03:17:21 pm
Post by: Parsely on September 04, 2013, 03:28:46 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 04, 2013, 04:40:14 pm
I wonder if Orks ever put a donk on it.The Orkz put every bangin' donk on it.
Post by: Descan on September 04, 2013, 04:41:03 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 04, 2013, 04:43:43 pm
Post by: Owlbread on September 04, 2013, 06:59:47 pm
oy fokker ill bludy crak yer eds mete. on yer bike yew fokkin dozy wanka.Quotewot the fok did ye just say 2 me m8? i dropped out of newcastle primary skool im the sickest bloke ull ever meet & ive nicked 300 candy bars from tha corner store. im trained in street fitin’ & im the strongest foker in tha entire newcastle gym. yer nothin to me but a cheeky lil dickhead w/ a hot mum & fake bling. ill waste u and smash a fokin bottle oer yer head bruv, i swer 2 christ. ya think u can fokin run ya gabber at me whilst sittin on yer arse behind a lil screen? think again wankaIt is stupid so why do I like it so much?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I don't think I'm derailing the thread by posting that, seeing as I do hear/see such things regularly and consider them to be very silly indeed.
Post by: frostshotgg on September 04, 2013, 07:08:45 pm
It's a pisstake of the 'WHAT DID YOU SAY TO ME BITCH!? I HAVE OVER 300 KILLS...' comment that people trying (and failing) to be funny/intimidating use.You mean the navy seal copypasta. And that's kinda the point of copypasta. See also: Hey faggots my name's John...
Post by: Karlito on September 04, 2013, 07:18:09 pm
Post by: HFS on September 04, 2013, 10:23:06 pm
"mermaids are real because I saw it on the Discovery Channel"
Well, I don't know how trustworthy this site is due to never using it ever [and indeed, never hearing about it before], but... (http://geekologie.com/2009/02/woman-gets-mermaid-tail-prosth.php)
(Got this off of Google. I remember hearing it a while back, so...)
...Hooray for prosthetics?
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 04, 2013, 11:49:52 pm
Post by: Xantalos on September 05, 2013, 12:11:40 am
Post by: NobodyPro on September 05, 2013, 03:19:05 am
Post by: Jelle on September 05, 2013, 08:08:02 am
I got "I don't need to get a flu shot because I take lots of vitamin C supplements", "mermaids are real because I saw it on the Discovery Channel", and several other stupids from various coworkers today. I blame whoever turned on History Channel in the break room.
Oh I saw that one on the mermaids, frigging hilarious. Can't believe anyone would take that serious. :D
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 05, 2013, 08:29:08 am
“I can’t really remember the names of the clubs that we went to.” – Shaquille O’Neal on whether he had visited the Parthenon during his visit to Greece.
“I’ve never really wanted to go to Japan. Simply because I don’t like eating fish. And I know that’s very popular out there in Africa.” -Britney Spears
“Do they like make walls there?” - Paris Hilton, talking about wal-mart.
“Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can’t help but cry. I mean I’d love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff.” - Mariah Carey
“I guess I’m gonna fade into Bolivian.” – Mike Tyson
"I think gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
"I have opinions of my own --strong opinions-- but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush
"Food is an important part of a balanced diet." - Fran Lebowitz
"If it weren't for electricity we'd all be watching television by candlelight." - George Gobel
"He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is." - Lou Duva
"If only faces could talk..." - Pat Summerall
"I'm not anorexic. I'm from Texas. Are there people from Texas that are anorexic? I've never heard of one. And that includes me." - Jessica Simpson
Post by: werty892 on September 05, 2013, 10:51:50 am
-MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF STUPID-Brain bleach! Brain bleach!
Post by: LordSlowpoke on September 05, 2013, 11:02:24 am
The Orkz put every bangin' donk on it.
LITERAL DONKPRINCES
Post by: Descan on September 05, 2013, 11:05:36 am
Post by: kaian-a-coel on September 05, 2013, 11:18:45 am
Some of those sound like something a stand-up comedian would say. >___>Because they say it. Peoplez being actually stupid saves them the chore of caricaturing them into stupid.
Post by: Gamerlord on September 05, 2013, 11:19:20 am
So people be stupid to make looking stupid easier?Some of those sound like something a stand-up comedian would say. >___>Because they say it. Peoplez being actually stupid saves them the chore of caricaturing them into stupid.
...
Wot?
Post by: Darvi on September 05, 2013, 11:29:08 am
Post by: frostshotgg on September 05, 2013, 01:36:22 pm
Post by: Descan on September 05, 2013, 02:46:28 pm
I'd laugh if they said that on stage. >___>
Post by: Graknorke on September 05, 2013, 04:25:54 pm
"I have opinions of my own --strong opinions-- but I don't always agree with them." - George BushGeorge Bush is just a renewable resource for stupid quotes.
Post by: frostshotgg on September 05, 2013, 04:58:59 pm
But that's not a stupid quote. It's actually fairly wise. You can have overarching opinions, but singular thoughts that disagree. I think humanity should continue living. Every time I meet another waste of space, I disagree with that."I have opinions of my own --strong opinions-- but I don't always agree with them." - George BushGeorge Bush is just a renewable resource for stupid quotes.
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 05, 2013, 06:55:51 pm
So we're working on an essay, okay, whatever. For some reason, I've apparently been doing it wrong all this time and the best way to write an essay is to pick out individual words and link them together in a Powerpoint-but-not-Powerpoint sort of diagram. Okay, whatever. The school has around 30 new mini iPads, and my Spanish teacher wanted us to use them to do this.
This is all well and good, except for one fatal problem.
The entire website is based in Flash. She wanted us to use the iPads to use a Flash application.
The real kicker? She's the most blindly, irritatingly snobbish and devoted Apple fangirl I have ever seen. Of all the people in the world, she should be the one who would know that iOS doesn't support Flash. But of course, she wouldn't even have to know that iOS didn't support Flash if she'd taken ten minutes out of her life to see if the website would work on the stupid things anyway.
Post by: Squill on September 05, 2013, 07:43:46 pm
Here's some really stupid celebrity quotes;It seems like a lot of these are jokes.
“I can’t really remember the names of the clubs that we went to.” – Shaquille O’Neal on whether he had visited the Parthenon during his visit to Greece.
“I’ve never really wanted to go to Japan. Simply because I don’t like eating fish. And I know that’s very popular out there in Africa.” -Britney Spears
“Do they like make walls there?” - Paris Hilton, talking about wal-mart.
“Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can’t help but cry. I mean I’d love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff.” - Mariah Carey
“I guess I’m gonna fade into Bolivian.” – Mike Tyson
"I think gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
"I have opinions of my own --strong opinions-- but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush
"Food is an important part of a balanced diet." - Fran Lebowitz
"If it weren't for electricity we'd all be watching television by candlelight." - George Gobel
"He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is." - Lou Duva
"If only faces could talk..." - Pat Summerall
"I'm not anorexic. I'm from Texas. Are there people from Texas that are anorexic? I've never heard of one. And that includes me." - Jessica Simpson
Post by: Descan on September 05, 2013, 08:41:50 pm
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 05, 2013, 08:43:14 pm
Might be. I've never been to the website I got these from before, so I have no idea weather or not they were serious, though I can confirm that the "if only faces could talk" guy did actually say that, cause he said it during the Superbowl.Here's some really stupid celebrity quotes;It seems like a lot of these are jokes.
“I can’t really remember the names of the clubs that we went to.” – Shaquille O’Neal on whether he had visited the Parthenon during his visit to Greece.
“I’ve never really wanted to go to Japan. Simply because I don’t like eating fish. And I know that’s very popular out there in Africa.” -Britney Spears
“Do they like make walls there?” - Paris Hilton, talking about wal-mart.
“Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can’t help but cry. I mean I’d love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff.” - Mariah Carey
“I guess I’m gonna fade into Bolivian.” – Mike Tyson
"I think gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
"I have opinions of my own --strong opinions-- but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush
"Food is an important part of a balanced diet." - Fran Lebowitz
"If it weren't for electricity we'd all be watching television by candlelight." - George Gobel
"He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is." - Lou Duva
"If only faces could talk..." - Pat Summerall
"I'm not anorexic. I'm from Texas. Are there people from Texas that are anorexic? I've never heard of one. And that includes me." - Jessica Simpson
Post by: Xantalos on September 05, 2013, 09:14:02 pm
"He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is." - The Most Interesting Man In The WorldFTFY
Post by: MaximumZero on September 06, 2013, 05:43:13 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on September 06, 2013, 05:54:01 pm
"Ninety percent of the game [baseball] is half mental." - Yogi Berra
That...actually makes sense, if you assume the other 10% is purely physical or purely mental without being a mix. (Say, planning, or muscle memory)
Post by: MaximumZero on September 06, 2013, 05:57:55 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 06, 2013, 06:35:25 pm
Now where's my jetpack?
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 07, 2013, 10:07:13 pm
Post by: Frumple on September 07, 2013, 11:37:12 pm
Another Yogi Berra-ism that makes a little bit of sense: "The future ain't what it used to be."Translation: He(?) is the time traveler that's to blame for us not having flying cars, unlimited clean energy, and world peace. Entirety of the world's geopolitical strife is due to that bastard screwing with things to ruin the future. And that -ism is Berra's way of barefacedly mocking us all.
I don't even know who the guy is, but I think I may hate 'im a little.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 08, 2013, 07:43:34 am
Post by: werty892 on September 08, 2013, 09:48:30 am
Hovercat.I still want a hoverboard.I'd prefer a hoverbike.
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on September 08, 2013, 09:58:08 am
Hoverwolf.Hovercat.I still want a hoverboard.I'd prefer a hoverbike.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 08, 2013, 10:16:59 am
Post by: Ultimuh on September 08, 2013, 10:23:04 am
Hovermammoth.Hoverwolf.Hovercat.I still want a hoverboard.I'd prefer a hoverbike.
Post by: Darvi on September 08, 2013, 10:59:12 am
Oh wait...
Post by: miauw62 on September 08, 2013, 11:11:44 am
Post by: LordSlowpoke on September 08, 2013, 11:14:20 am
Post by: Mini on September 08, 2013, 12:29:17 pm
Post by: IronTomato on September 08, 2013, 12:43:33 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 08, 2013, 12:49:43 pm
Post by: Descan on September 08, 2013, 12:54:43 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on September 08, 2013, 12:55:38 pm
Hoverme.I would be okay with flying around on a HoverDescan.
Post by: IronTomato on September 08, 2013, 12:55:59 pm
Post by: Descan on September 08, 2013, 01:01:10 pm
Post by: Descan on September 08, 2013, 01:07:53 pm
Post by: Dutchling on September 08, 2013, 01:18:45 pm
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lol i just wanted to make it clear i understand that making a converter takes effort, but i also wanted to make it clear that i still wanted it to be free instead of a 10$ dlc!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 08, 2013, 01:20:28 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 08, 2013, 01:24:46 pm
Post by: Dutchling on September 08, 2013, 01:41:24 pm
Post by: kaian-a-coel on September 08, 2013, 01:46:48 pm
I was fine riding around on Descan until he started vibrating and going 'BRRRRRRRM!'It got weirder when you take in account that post where you said your brain was persuaded, for a second, that you were a lesbian.
It got weird at that point.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 08, 2013, 03:05:49 pm
There are lots of things about Paradox I just do not understand, from both the fans and the studio itself. For example, the Paradox games seem to go out of their way to never, ever show that Judaism existed.what do you mean? can you give a few examples? i'm curious
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 08, 2013, 03:18:46 pm
There are lots of things about Paradox I just do not understand, from both the fans and the studio itself. For example, the Paradox games seem to go out of their way to never, ever show that Judaism existed.
I think it's more due to the way that the games are set up than any kind of concentrated effort on Paradox's part. The games are more concerned with religious and cultural majorities after all. Though then again, I'm a bit surprised that EU-X doesn't have any Jewish related events...
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 08, 2013, 03:33:28 pm
Actually, CK (the original) has Jewish Khazars, and Victoria II (never played the first one) has Jewish people as well.And yet CKII's Khazars are Tengri. As for Victoria II, sure, but by that point in the series religion has become an auxiliary issue. It barely does anything in Victoria and does nothing in Hearts of Iron.
I don't think so. CKII has plenty of small religions and cultures, indeed the entire Heresy mechanic revolves around this. And you are correct, EU has no mention of Jews whatsoever.There are lots of things about Paradox I just do not understand, from both the fans and the studio itself. For example, the Paradox games seem to go out of their way to never, ever show that Judaism existed.I think it's more due to the way that the games are set up than any kind of concentrated effort on Paradox's part. The games are more concerned with religious and cultural majorities after all. Though then again, I'm a bit surprised that EU-X doesn't have any Jewish related events...
All I know is that the Paradox team seems to have this bizarre obstinance against Jews that is applied to no other historical group, and I find that concerning.
Post by: kaian-a-coel on September 08, 2013, 03:38:50 pm
Post by: scriver on September 08, 2013, 03:50:29 pm
Post by: Descan on September 08, 2013, 04:09:14 pm
Post by: SealyStar on September 08, 2013, 04:13:09 pm
Post by: Descan on September 08, 2013, 04:15:50 pm
Post by: SealyStar on September 08, 2013, 04:32:48 pm
/me stares at SealyStarGood thing I held back on asking whether there were comedy clubs and law firms too.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 08, 2013, 04:33:44 pm
I've never played the game, but I'm assuming there's some degree of financial management, in which case Jewishness is an underlying game mechanic.That wasn't funny.
Post by: SealyStar on September 08, 2013, 04:38:09 pm
Back on topic, my brother and I were discussing sales tax and he misinterpreted "cents on the dollar" as only applying to whole dollars. That is, with a 7% sales tax, he believed you would pay $1.07 on $1 - $1.99, $1.14 on $2 - $2.99, etc., but that there was no sales tax on things priced below one dollar, and claimed that this was why places always priced things at $n.99 instead of $n+1.
Post by: scriver on September 08, 2013, 05:14:11 pm
Jewish courtiers and advisers were prevalent in enough areas to make them worth putting in.
The only place I was aware of was Spain. Was there any others?
And regardless - you have courts of hundreds of people cut down to a dozen or two, and ministers and councillors in the dozens cut down to six advisor positions. At that point of abstraction, were the Jewish courtiers really important enough to add in?
And I'm not even against adding them in for flavour - one of the few mods I use for CK2 does add Jewish courtiers (to Iberian lords at least). But I certainly don't think their non-appearance in vanilla is because Paradox has something against Jews rather than it is because they weren't important enough to bother implementing.
Post by: Dutchling on September 08, 2013, 05:16:25 pm
Post by: ggamer on September 08, 2013, 07:28:30 pm
Wrong: it was a funny joke playing on society's preconceptions on race and/or religion.I've never played the game, but I'm assuming there's some degree of financial management, in which case Jewishness is an underlying game mechanic.That wasn't funny.
Anyhow, I think it's much more reasonable to assume that paradox is staffed entirely by neo-nazis. In which case, it must be best to play Germany in HoI.
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Post by: Owlbread on September 08, 2013, 07:40:20 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 08, 2013, 08:20:12 pm
Well, if Paradox can completely remove all Nazi symbols from Hearts of Iron 3 and be historically inaccurate just so they don't offend someone somewhere (or so they can avoid a ban in Germany) then what's stopping them from omitting Jews? There's no Jews in any Total War game either.
Medieval: Total War Uno had Judaism as one of the religions in the game. They didn't really do anything besides being really hard to convert though. I think I know the point you're trying to make though.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 09, 2013, 12:28:54 am
All I know is that the Paradox team seems to have this bizarre obstinance against Jews that is applied to no other historical group, and I find that concerning.The Sikhs and Romani are two historical groups that got a similar treatment, imo.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on September 09, 2013, 03:25:37 am
now there's a debate concerning why jews should be implemented everywhere (let's not forget the point paradox decided they're not doing such things was hearts of iron)
why do you dislike their works so but just keep playing and raging about them i mean fucking ea is less bashed
Post by: Helgoland on September 09, 2013, 04:40:26 am
first they pointed out how horrible, racist and eurocentric it was to not make a subsaharan nation as strong as franceHow in Satan's glorious name did they twist the rules of logic and common sense to make that a valid statement?
Post by: Graknorke on September 09, 2013, 10:49:54 am
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Many liars here guys, so I just want to tell you all the truth. Norway is like a state, just like New Orleans and Wisconsin in the USA. Norway is the third largest state in Sweden, with 1,2 million people. I was born and raised there before me and my family (my fathers from NY) moved back to the USA. PLEASE thumbs up so everyone can see this post.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on September 09, 2013, 10:55:22 am
does sweden even have nationalists, you'd think they are all jailed because nationalism = anti-immigration = racist/nazi in these books
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Post by: Descan on September 09, 2013, 11:16:46 am
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Post by: Gamerlord on September 09, 2013, 11:39:21 am
I've also seen people say things like that about Canada and the US, that we're the "52nd state", because of the close relationship and the feeling that we're subsumed under them and not considered a separate country.That's like saying New Zealand is part of Australia; complete gobshite.
Post by: Dutchling on September 09, 2013, 11:40:10 am
New Zealand is small Australia, while Canada is nice America. There's a difference ;)I've also seen people say things like that about Canada and the US, that we're the "52nd state", because of the close relationship and the feeling that we're subsumed under them and not considered a separate country.That's like saying New Zealand is part of Australia; complete gobshite.
Post by: Oliolli on September 09, 2013, 11:41:51 am
I'm a bit unclear, does everything in NZ want you dead as well?New Zealand is small Australia, while Canada is nice America. There's a difference ;)I've also seen people say things like that about Canada and the US, that we're the "52nd state", because of the close relationship and the feeling that we're subsumed under them and not considered a separate country.That's like saying New Zealand is part of Australia; complete gobshite.
Post by: kaenneth on September 09, 2013, 11:43:21 am
Post by: Gamerlord on September 09, 2013, 11:43:28 am
Nah, but the sheep want to fuck you to death.I'm a bit unclear, does everything in NZ want you dead as well?New Zealand is small Australia, while Canada is nice America. There's a difference ;)I've also seen people say things like that about Canada and the US, that we're the "52nd state", because of the close relationship and the feeling that we're subsumed under them and not considered a separate country.That's like saying New Zealand is part of Australia; complete gobshite.
Post by: Graknorke on September 09, 2013, 11:45:33 am
It's conditioning.Nah, but the sheep want to fuck you to death.I'm a bit unclear, does everything in NZ want you dead as well?New Zealand is small Australia, while Canada is nice America. There's a difference ;)I've also seen people say things like that about Canada and the US, that we're the "52nd state", because of the close relationship and the feeling that we're subsumed under them and not considered a separate country.That's like saying New Zealand is part of Australia; complete gobshite.
Post by: scriver on September 09, 2013, 11:53:59 am
can't tell if swedish nationalist or direct product of no education or just troll
does sweden even have nationalists, you'd think they are all jailed because nationalism = anti-immigration = racist/nazi in these books
*Severe fucking facepalm
They do indeed have nationalists. Of course, one must admit that once upon a time Norway was rather like a state (in the same way that my own country is), he's just about 100 years out of date.
It was a personal union. Two completely independent nations under the same king. The Swedish law and government held no authority over Norway's - they had their own parliament, laws, currency, and I believe even army.
As for the statement itself. That guy is obviously joking.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 12:35:34 pm
I've also seen people say things like that about Canada and the US, that we're the "52nd state", because of the close relationship and the feeling that we're subsumed under them and not considered a separate country.51st state, Descan. There are still only 50 states, unfortunately. Hurry the fuck up, Puerto Rico!
How many Americans have actually visited Canada?I've never been there, but I'm pretty sure it is the foreign country most often visited by Americans. Before 9/11 it was significantly easier to cross the border than it is now, but it is still pretty easy. I hear stories of New Englanders and New Yorkers who will do things like go to Canada for lunch on a frequent basis. As I recall, both sides allow unannounced short-term visits with just your ID and Passport.
Personally, I support having an open border with Canada. Both they and the US spend a lot of money on the world's longest border that could be be better used elsewhere. Besides, most of the Schengen Agreement members are way more hostile towards each other than the US and Canada are towards one another, so why not?
Canada is what the US would be like without the 1st and 2nd amendments to the constitution.Only the 2nd, really. I'm not deeply familiar with it, but Canada seems to have all the rights of the 1st Amendment codified.
Post by: kaenneth on September 09, 2013, 12:42:48 pm
Post by: Owlbread on September 09, 2013, 12:46:25 pm
It was a personal union. Two completely independent nations under the same king. The Swedish law and government held no authority over Norway's - they had their own parliament, laws, currency, and I believe even army.
The first two powers you cite are the same as those of my own country. They are actually closer to the Isle of Man in the sense that they basically have their own currency too, they just don't have an army.
If they were completely independent they would not be in a personal union. In order to form a "union" with another country one generally has to give up a certain level of sovereignty.
Post by: Hanslanda on September 09, 2013, 12:50:34 pm
How many Americans have actually visited Canada?
How many [insert other country's populace] have actually visited America? :P Not all of us think Canada is the 51st state, fried food is da greatest fing evar, or that 'Dem foreigners are screwing it all up, should just let 'Murrica run the world'.
But seriously, we're working on annexing Canada, but the Mounties and Inuit Auxilia have proven both tougher and better entrenched than we suspected. We're moving up the heavy artillery to flush them out, but the Canadian Marching Band has been harassing our flanks and supply lines, making it harder on us. We sent in the Kentucky Fried Chicken Brigade to Quebec, but they were doused with fancy French spices and never seen again. Currently, reserve forces from Massachusetts are waiting to relieve the Old Dying People From Florida regiment, who has always suffered hideous morale problems. Something about the Regimental standard being too depressing. And we still have seen no sign of the Canadian Marines, a force feared throughout the world for... That one thing they did. Push up competition?
For note, I just wanted to go off on a semi-memetic tangent about Canada-America stereotypes embroiled in warfare. I wasn't trying to make any points.
Post by: Vector on September 09, 2013, 12:51:08 pm
Anything not to blame my ex, huh?
Post by: Frumple on September 09, 2013, 12:55:19 pm
Post by: Owlbread on September 09, 2013, 12:57:21 pm
How many [insert other country's populace] have actually visited America? :P Not all of us think Canada is the 51st state, fried food is da greatest fing evar, or that 'Dem foreigners are screwing it all up, should just let 'Murrica run the world'.
I apologise profusely if that was how I came across (the whole snide and arrogant Euro-superiority "Americans are all stupid insular fatsos" thing), that wasn't my intention. I was just curious about how common cross border visits were. I was thinking to myself that if I lived in the USA I probably wouldn't have visited Canada very much (depending on how close I was to Canada like if I lived in Maine or something) the USA is big enough to be a world on its own.
I've only visited England about 4-5 times in my life, after all. Maximum. That's counting "flew to Manchester Airport to fly to XYZ airport abroad".
Post by: Flying Dice on September 09, 2013, 01:09:21 pm
As for the whole "Canada is America's hat/51st state" thing, that's just a cover. Canada is a buffer zone intended to give us advanced warning of the looming invasion force of Soviet Bearatroopers who have spent the last twenty five years crossing the Arctic on their loyal steeds. Why do you think it's called the Canadian Shield, eh?
Incidentally, I agree on the size issue. We have entire states full of nothingness that are bigger than other fair-sized countries. I'm looking at you, Montana, with your ~32,000km2 head up over Germany.
Post by: Vector on September 09, 2013, 01:10:37 pm
Is that... is that even possible? I mean, vitamin deficiency can mess with you a bit, but. PTSD is a hell of a lot more than "a bit"...
She thinks that all my issues are best explained by a lack of having found the right blend of diet, meditation, and "sweaty exercise." It definitely makes more sense to have "lack of taking care of self (because irresponsible and lazy) => PTSD, depression, anxiety, etc." rather than "PTSD, depression, anxiety, etc. (because abuse and genetics) => giving up on taking care of self."
Like, literally. She actually thinks the former explanation makes more sense.
I'm so tired and I really want to get out of here. The house stinks and it's full of flies, which I'm not personally cleaning up because she wants to keep rotten fruit out on the counters just in case she feels like cooking with it. I'm getting depressed thanks to the environment and each day feels like it lasts only a couple minutes because I don't do anything, but I just can't get myself motivated to improve my life when I know I'll be moving out in less than a week and I could just relax and play computer games now and deal with anything that needs to get done later. Of course, she gets upset at me because I stay up late to avoid having to share schedules, and keeps trying to explain how I'm screwing up my life, going downhill, blah blah blah.
I just don't want to deal with this anymore, any of it. I'm going to move out and keep a really, really tidy house where everything's got its spot and it doesn't fucking stink all the time. Maybe I'll take two showers a day and stuff everything full of dried lavender.
Post by: tomio175 on September 09, 2013, 02:26:38 pm
If I'll ever have money, I'll even visit you one day.Is that... is that even possible? I mean, vitamin deficiency can mess with you a bit, but. PTSD is a hell of a lot more than "a bit"...
She thinks that all my issues are best explained by a lack of having found the right blend of diet, meditation, and "sweaty exercise." It definitely makes more sense to have "lack of taking care of self (because irresponsible and lazy) => PTSD, depression, anxiety, etc." rather than "PTSD, depression, anxiety, etc. (because abuse and genetics) => giving up on taking care of self."
Like, literally. She actually thinks the former explanation makes more sense.
I'm so tired and I really want to get out of here. The house stinks and it's full of flies, which I'm not personally cleaning up because she wants to keep rotten fruit out on the counters just in case she feels like cooking with it. I'm getting depressed thanks to the environment and each day feels like it lasts only a couple minutes because I don't do anything, but I just can't get myself motivated to improve my life when I know I'll be moving out in less than a week and I could just relax and play computer games now and deal with anything that needs to get done later. Of course, she gets upset at me because I stay up late to avoid having to share schedules, and keeps trying to explain how I'm screwing up my life, going downhill, blah blah blah.
I just don't want to deal with this anymore, any of it. I'm going to move out and keep a really, really tidy house where everything's got its spot and it doesn't fucking stink all the time. Maybe I'll take two showers a day and stuff everything full of dried lavender.
Also, on an unrelated note, a quote from my friend
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"So, do monkeys descend from niggers or is it the other way around?"
I was sitting next to him. If stupid was a physical force, I would've been knocked all the way to Canada. Together with most of the class that sat to the left of him. The ones on the right would end up somewhere in Russia. Hopefully.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 02:31:20 pm
It's "Defense in Depth", they would setup checkpoints at state borders if they could.Seeing as they could but don't, I'm not that impressed by your argument.
Post by: Vector on September 09, 2013, 03:21:16 pm
If I'll ever have money, I'll even visit you one day.
L-lolwat?
Post by: Dutchling on September 09, 2013, 03:28:10 pm
If I'll ever have money, I'll even visit you one day.
L-lolwat?
Don't worry.
You won't notice it.
You will be sleeping.
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Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 03:41:38 pm
Bay 12.....I am Vector. I have always been Vector.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on September 09, 2013, 03:47:23 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 09, 2013, 03:49:29 pm
I have a confession to make.THEN HOW CAN YOU BOTH BE ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME?
Bay 12.....I am Vector. I have always been Vector.
And there goes another stupidity explosion.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on September 09, 2013, 03:50:45 pm
And then everybody was Vector.But isn't everybody like five other Bay12 people already?
Post by: FearfulJesuit on September 09, 2013, 03:51:43 pm
And then everybody was Vector.But isn't everybody like five other Bay12 people already?
The transitive property at work, you see. Vector is a mathematician, therefore we are all mathematicians.
Post by: scriver on September 09, 2013, 03:54:44 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 03:58:51 pm
Two computers and severe Dissociative Identity Disorder.I have a confession to make.THEN HOW CAN YOU BOTH BE ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME?
Bay 12.....I am Vector. I have always been Vector.
And there goes another stupidity explosion.
Post by: Graknorke on September 09, 2013, 04:01:47 pm
Did I miss a memo or something?
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 09, 2013, 04:07:15 pm
two browsers is enough, i thoinkTwo computers and severe Dissociative Identity Disorder.I have a confession to make.THEN HOW CAN YOU BOTH BE ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME?
Bay 12.....I am Vector. I have always been Vector.
And there goes another stupidity explosion.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on September 09, 2013, 04:10:57 pm
Two computers and severe Dissociative Identity Disorder.I have a confession to make.THEN HOW CAN YOU BOTH BE ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME?
Bay 12.....I am Vector. I have always been Vector.
And there goes another stupidity explosion.
Remember, kids, when you make Vector sad, you trigger MSH's headmates.
Post by: Descan on September 09, 2013, 05:02:54 pm
/me looks at Vector.
What?
Post by: Steelmagic on September 09, 2013, 05:04:29 pm
...Which Vector? Apparently we all are Vector.
/me looks at Vector.
What?
Post by: Darvi on September 09, 2013, 05:06:36 pm
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Post by: Darvi on September 09, 2013, 05:52:47 pm
Post by: tahujdt on September 09, 2013, 06:02:48 pm
What, Pathos?No, he meant
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Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 06:15:22 pm
Dammit, put in some warnings. When you say that word it triggers my physics homework-related PTSD.Quit oppressing me!
Post by: Flying Dice on September 09, 2013, 06:26:16 pm
Aha! Check your directional-magnitude comprehension bias, you mathematically able filth!
Post by: frostshotgg on September 09, 2013, 06:33:06 pm
Post by: SealyStar on September 09, 2013, 06:34:25 pm
I identify as scalarkin, that's why those things scare me.Dammit, put in some warnings. When you say that word it triggers my physics homework-related PTSD.Quit oppressing me!
Post by: Flying Dice on September 09, 2013, 06:45:20 pm
The word you want is privilege, Dice.Hey, check your tumblr-savvy privilege. :P
Meanwhile my mistake will haunt last page for all of time, but nobody will care enough to go back and read it. Except the dirty heathens that don't use the default post-per-page setting.
Post by: SealyStar on September 09, 2013, 07:39:04 pm
*Is a dirty heathen*The word you want is privilege, Dice.Hey, check your tumblr-savvy privilege. :P
Meanwhile my mistake will haunt last page for all of time, but nobody will care enough to go back and read it. Except the dirty heathens that don't use the default post-per-page setting.
Post by: ggamer on September 09, 2013, 09:20:56 pm
Quote"So, do monkeys descend from niggers or is it the other way around?"
hahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
kid- "I'd rather be white and dumb than black and smart"
People say these things. Luckily, this kid is pretty much viewed as the most dumbass piece of shit deliverance knock-off in fucking South Georgia
Though I do have to admit someone came close when they saw the mossy oak camo on my truck, at a fucking gas station
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"Y'OAH, THAT'N LOOKS REAL GOOD. 'LOT BETT' THAN THE NIGGER JOBS D'N IN FROGTOWN"
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 09, 2013, 09:44:26 pm
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Trigger Warning: Politics, Racism, Jackwagonry, Food Poisoning, SwearingWhy tumblr. Why.
Post by: Vector on September 09, 2013, 09:46:39 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 09:50:02 pm
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 09, 2013, 09:51:39 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 09, 2013, 09:55:48 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on September 09, 2013, 09:56:44 pm
It's not the world's responsibility to shield people with mental sensitivity.Neither is it anyone responsibility to be a decent person, but most at least try to.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 09, 2013, 10:10:55 pm
Also, just putting it out there, but having PTSD triggered by "politics" would basically amount to "You're shit out of luck". It's like having your PTSD trigger be, say, red cars: there's no way you're ever going to insulate yourself (barring becoming a complete shut-in in a windowless building), even if everyone you meet makes a tremendous effort to help you do so. Which is part of what makes me suspect that it's more tumblr special-snowflake faffery.^
Same thing with swearing really. Although, I wonder what could happen to somebody that would cause them to have PTSD triggered by swearing...
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 10:11:24 pm
No, it's your responsibility to be a decent person. That's what society is based off of. Pro-social behaviors must be greater than anti-social behaviors, or there will be collapse.It's not the world's responsibility to shield people with mental sensitivity.Neither is it anyone responsibility to be a decent person, but most at least try to.
Anyway, as for the tumblrites in particular, most of them don't have PTSD. They have "This bothers me so I don't want you to talk about it" syndrome. Or the dreaded "I want a justification to explode at everything imaginable, but fake Aspergers has become passe even for tumblr" syndrome. But what is absolutely certain is that the tumblr community does not mostly consist of individuals who were given a diagnosis of an illness listed in the DSM-V by a certified mental health professional.
Post by: IronTomato on September 09, 2013, 10:12:42 pm
I have a confession to make.
Bay 12.....I am Vector. I have always been Vector.
I have a confession to make.
Bay 12... I am Metalslimehunt. I have always been Metalslimehunt.
How do things like politics and swearing trigger PTSD?Also, just putting it out there, but having PTSD triggered by "politics" would basically amount to "You're shit out of luck". It's like having your PTSD trigger be, say, red cars: there's no way you're ever going to insulate yourself (barring becoming a complete shut-in in a windowless building), even if everyone you meet makes a tremendous effort to help you do so. Which is part of what makes me suspect that it's more tumblr special-snowflake faffery.^
Same thing with swearing really. Although, I wonder what could happen to somebody that would cause them to have PTSD triggered by swearing...
Post by: Projeck37 on September 09, 2013, 10:14:32 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 10:14:32 pm
Get back in the box and wait for your cue, damnit!I have a confession to make.
Bay 12.....I am Vector. I have always been Vector.
I have a confession to make.
Bay 12... I am Metalslimehunt. I have always been Metalslimehunt.
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How do things like politics and swearing trigger PTSD?Anything is possible when you are a teenager on tumblr.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 09, 2013, 10:17:48 pm
I don't know. That's why I posted that thing here.How do things like politics and swearing trigger PTSD?Also, just putting it out there, but having PTSD triggered by "politics" would basically amount to "You're shit out of luck". It's like having your PTSD trigger be, say, red cars: there's no way you're ever going to insulate yourself (barring becoming a complete shut-in in a windowless building), even if everyone you meet makes a tremendous effort to help you do so. Which is part of what makes me suspect that it's more tumblr special-snowflake faffery.^
Same thing with swearing really. Although, I wonder what could happen to somebody that would cause them to have PTSD triggered by swearing...
Post by: Scelly9 on September 09, 2013, 10:19:52 pm
So you don't thing that shielding people with mental sensitivity contributes to being a decent person?No, it's your responsibility to be a decent person. That's what society is based off of. Pro-social behaviors must be greater than anti-social behaviors, or there will be collapse.It's not the world's responsibility to shield people with mental sensitivity.Neither is it anyone responsibility to be a decent person, but most at least try to.
Post by: Vector on September 09, 2013, 10:23:03 pm
I had to cut my long hair because it had become an indelible symbol of weakness. Immediately after I returned to a healthy weight and a lot of my nightmares, panic attacks, and mood swings went away. Similarly, blond men with a Northern European sort of look set me off and I usually have to excuse myself from the conversation. That's just how it is.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 10:25:18 pm
I don't think trying to coddle people with mental problems is a good thing. If you have an issue, you are going to encounter it outside of whatever "safe zone" you set up. The internet is by and large an open forum that you are not going to be protected on. The trigger movement are not a solution, they are a problem. Individuals with PTSD are best helped by following the advice of mental health professionals, not by rampant slacktivism.So you don't thing that shielding people with mental sensitivity contributes to being a decent person?No, it's your responsibility to be a decent person. That's what society is based off of. Pro-social behaviors must be greater than anti-social behaviors, or there will be collapse.It's not the world's responsibility to shield people with mental sensitivity.Neither is it anyone responsibility to be a decent person, but most at least try to.
Post by: Vector on September 09, 2013, 10:28:29 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 10:32:19 pm
Post by: Vector on September 09, 2013, 10:47:42 pm
I will defer only to medical science. I'm certainly not going to take on faith something that is most known for being advocated by tumblr.
Previously it was most known for being advocated by feminists, and was then picked up on by tumblr. That's why the rest of the internet now knows about it.
The reason why one doesn't defer exclusively to medical science is because menotoxin. People's subjective experience of their own conditions is crucial in a world where power structures determine what is studied and from which standpoint. Of course you can say "I can tell the difference between science and pseudoscience," but then you hold your own subjective experience high above those of others in an arena that is supposed to be objective, and you have already lost your battle.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 10:59:05 pm
As for the menotoxin thing, you shouldn't be focused over it occurring or a bunch of laymen accepting it on faith because it was in line with their preexisting religious dogma. What you should be focused on is how it got thrown out and destroyed because it couldn't be backed up, and now in the modern day nobody with any education believes menstrual blood is poisonous (or at least not more so than any other blood). This is why deferring to science is the thing you should do when you don't have a good alternative. It doesn't care about what anybody thinks or what tradition says is true. It is the method through which we determine objective reality.
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 09, 2013, 11:03:39 pm
I'd be willing to bet that even people who are dealing with their problems enjoy getting a break from it.
Post by: Vector on September 09, 2013, 11:11:56 pm
This is why deferring to science is the thing you should do when you don't have a good alternative.
But what you don't seem to understand is that menotoxin was what science said was correct. Same with a whole bunch of other myths about women.
And women would have told you that it was incorrect. The conflict between lived science and experience leads to better studies that do a better job of measuring what is actually to be measured. Had I lived in that era and heard that science, should I have deferred to it and taken to cloistering myself because they said I was poisonous? How about now--should I have given up on studying mathematics because of all those "scientific opinions" explaining that women simply couldn't stand on the same footing as men, in order to wait for the AMS study that confirmed what I thought made more sense?
Post by: Frumple on September 09, 2013, 11:13:48 pm
Does tend to do pretty well over the long term for correcting that sort of thing, yes, but the short to mid term (you know, a generation, a lifetime, little things like that) have been kind of fraught -- and continue to be fraught -- with institutional inertia and its varying accouterments getting in all sorts of the way. Especially in the field of psychology and psychiatry. Which. Yeah. That is why you don't defer exclusively to medical science. How, when, and where it fucks up and has consistently fucked up is a known factor we haven't fully been able to correct for, yet. Scientific research has its fairly consistent methodological errors, y'dig?
Also:
And while we all have different experiences, the physical differences between the brains of individuals are low enough that what can be empirically determined is what can and must form the basis.We're not actually at the point we can tell, physically, exactly what and how crap is buggering up in quite a few bloody cases. So that sort of thing isn't always an option, yeah.
Post by: Neonivek on September 09, 2013, 11:20:09 pm
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The reason why one doesn't defer exclusively to medical science is because menotoxin. People's subjective experience of their own conditions is crucial in a world where power structures determine what is studied and from which standpoint.
That isn't the only reason. Another is just the major flaw with all science. In that ultimately no matter how intricate and accurate the information you have before you, it still needs to be interpreted to be of any use. Otherwise it is just a big clump of data.
Mind you this is a lot more common in things like sociology then it would be in something like Medical science.
The other is not because "power structures" but rather just how pseudoscience can enter reputable science. untested theories can become outright fact if they are not challenged or if they enter enough academic material.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 09, 2013, 11:21:03 pm
By what evidence? If there isn't evidence, you can't exactly have a conclusion!This is why deferring to science is the thing you should do when you don't have a good alternative.But what you don't seem to understand is that menotoxin was what science said was correct. Same with a whole bunch of other myths about women.
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And women would have told you that it was incorrect.Given the history of the subject, and what they had been taught by their religious figures, I don't think they would have. The Bible says menstruating women are poisonous/unclean/evil harlots/whatever, therefore it is true.
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The conflict between lived science and experience leads to better studies that do a better job of measuring what is actually to be measured. Had I lived in that era and heard that science, should I have deferred to it and taken to cloistering myself because they said I was poisonous? How about now--should I have given up on studying mathematics because of all those "scientific opinions" explaining that women simply couldn't stand on the same footing as men, in order to wait for the AMS study that confirmed what I thought made more sense?All of this boils down to why we have peer review, Vector. But it doesn't mean you can start admitting personal anecdotes as evidence. People have anecdotes for just about anything you can imagine.
... you... you don't actually know much about how the practice of science works, do you MSH? Because what people think and what tradition says is true has (and has had) a hell of a lot of influence on the actual practice of scientific research, and apparently claiming that it doesn't just... flies in the face of basically everything.I know exactly how science works, thank you very much. And while personal biases can certainly seep in, and getting rid of that can take time, do you know what the alternative is? Never progressing and getting increasingly bogged down in ever more personal bias.
Does tend to do pretty well over the long term for correcting that sort of thing, yes, but the short to mid term (you know, a generation, a lifetime, little things like that) have been kind of fraught -- and continue to be fraught -- with institutional inertia and its varying accouterments getting in all sorts of the way. Especially in the field of psychology and psychiatry. Which. Yeah. That is why you don't defer exclusively to medical science. How, when, and where it fucks up and has consistently fucked up is a known factor we haven't fully been able to correct for, yet. Scientific research has its fairly consistent methodological errors, y'dig?
There is not a better alternative. We have to go with the assumption that what we think we know now is better than what we thought we knew in the past, or else we shall be paralyzed in unyielding indecision and do zero good.
Post by: Vector on September 09, 2013, 11:22:01 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 09, 2013, 11:22:50 pm
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By what evidence? If there isn't evidence, you can't exactly have a conclusion!
Well let me see... There are toxins in blood and toxins that are created by the decomposition of blood.
It is easy enough to turn that into evidence. Though I don't know if that was "their" evidence.
Post by: Solifuge on September 10, 2013, 12:34:19 am
According to the link, the evidence was that, when a woman who was on her period manhandled some flowers, they wilted sooner than undisturbed flowers. Afterward, animals injected with menstrual blood from a foreign organism, were found to die (and given what we now know about the immune system, this should not come as a surprise). It was pretty shitty science, but it was still science. And conclusions from that study directed research and social/interpersonal policy for decades after.QuoteBy what evidence? If there isn't evidence, you can't exactly have a conclusion!
Well let me see... There are toxins in blood and toxins that are created by the decomposition of blood.
It is easy enough to turn that into evidence. Though I don't know if that was "their" evidence.
My friend accidentally misspelled angel with angle, while talking about a baby. It was quite funny.Must've been acute baby.
Post by: Sirus on September 10, 2013, 12:35:39 am
Don't be obtuse, Soli. It was simply a misunderstanding, right?My friend accidentally misspelled angel with angle, while talking about a baby. It was quite funny.
Must've been acute baby.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 10, 2013, 01:55:12 am
Right, lets stop making such terrible puns.Don't be obtuse, Soli. It was simply a misunderstanding, right?My friend accidentally misspelled angel with angle, while talking about a baby. It was quite funny.
Must've been acute baby.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 10, 2013, 01:57:33 am
But this way everyone's on equilateral footing.Right, lets stop making such terrible puns.Don't be obtuse, Soli. It was simply a misunderstanding, right?My friend accidentally misspelled angel with angle, while talking about a baby. It was quite funny.
Must've been acute baby.
...yeah I'm stretching it.
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 01:58:56 am
Post by: Vattic on September 10, 2013, 03:24:44 am
I'm so tired and I really want to get out of here. The house stinks and it's full of flies, which I'm not personally cleaning up because she wants to keep rotten fruit out on the counters just in case she feels like cooking with it. I'm getting depressed thanks to the environment and each day feels like it lasts only a couple minutes because I don't do anything, but I just can't get myself motivated to improve my life when I know I'll be moving out in less than a week and I could just relax and play computer games now and deal with anything that needs to get done later. Of course, she gets upset at me because I stay up late to avoid having to share schedules, and keeps trying to explain how I'm screwing up my life, going downhill, blah blah blah.I don't know your circumstances in any detail. Couldn't you leave early and stay somewhere else, even if it's just some cheap room?
Post by: Darvi on September 10, 2013, 04:45:13 am
On triggers: Starting with a warning when dealing with tough subjects makes sense, but if almost anything could be a trigger to someone I can't think of a way to make it workable without ignoring some people. This makes some of the items in trigger warning lists seem silly to me. I guess it can depend on your audience.This is why you put everything conceivable into those warnings.
Like, for this thread I would warn about: Stupid, people, stupid people, not so stupid people, quotes, ignorance, well-informedness, racism, acceptance, politics, education, lack of education, internet, tropes, social media, comments (those actually trigger me. They trigger the "why the fuck did I scroll down this far"-thoughts), forum avatars, signatures, nineballs, magma, and trigger warnings.
Post by: werty892 on September 10, 2013, 07:26:47 am
first they pointed out how horrible, racist and eurocentric it was to not make a subsaharan nation as strong as franceHow in Satan's glorious name did they twist the rules of logic and common sense to make that a valid statement?
Because EU4 is a HISTORICAL GAME. That means Europe is powerful. If you want Mali, or whatever, to take over the world, get mods to have everyone start equally.
Post by: Shakerag on September 10, 2013, 08:45:13 am
On triggers: Starting with a warning when dealing with tough subjects makes sense, but if almost anything could be a trigger to someone I can't think of a way to make it workable without ignoring some people. This makes some of the items in trigger warning lists seem silly to me. I guess it can depend on your audience.Just operate on the principle that no one has a right to not be offended.
Post by: frostshotgg on September 10, 2013, 09:49:50 am
I heard a discussion on radio years and years ago. It was about how PSTD has become less and less life-changingly significant over time. I don't remember all of the specifics, but for instance on of the things it used to be called was Shell Shock, which conveys without extra medicalspeak that "This person is fucked up." Tumblr-ization of PTSD is just the next step.
Post by: Descan on September 10, 2013, 09:54:17 am
Just making sure you're not ignoring all the -other- people who are being belittled and forgotten. :P
Post by: frostshotgg on September 10, 2013, 10:19:54 am
Post by: Shakerag on September 10, 2013, 10:44:20 am
What kind of person do you have to be to say to yourself "oh, this person who was in a war and shot at and nearly killed several times panics and gets very nervous around the sound of gunfire. They must have a disorder."
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 10:49:49 am
Soldiers aren't the only people who can get PTSD. Child abuse victims, rape victims, murder witnesses (esp. if the murdered victim was close to the witness, socially I mean). Things like that, though I'm sure there are special cases for pretty much anything.
Just making sure you're not ignoring all the -other- people who are being belittled and forgotten. :P
Murderers can also develop PTSD. Generally though people in the business don't talk about PTSD anymore, they just call it "trauma".
I think it's also incorrect to assume that soldiers who suffer from "PTSD" were traumatised by things happening around them, they could just as easily have committed an act of terrible cruelty or brutality themselves.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 10, 2013, 11:00:40 am
I just think the terminology is stupid. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Why is it a "disorder"? That would seem to indicate that what the person is going through is unnatural. Logically speaking, if someone experiences something "traumatic" (like rape, attempted murder, abuse, etc.) I would think that a very natural reaction to that would be (to put it mildly) "stress".It's not quite that simple, Shakerag. Most of the time, traumatic experiences do not result in PTSD. PTSD is primarily characterized by mentally reexperiencing the traumatic event and avoidant behavior regarding the event and anything connected to it (sometimes up to and including amnesia of the event). I've heard it described as the brain getting "stuck" on a traumatic event and not being able to fully process it.
What kind of person do you have to be to say to yourself "oh, this person who was in a war and shot at and nearly killed several times panics and gets very nervous around the sound of gunfire. They must have a disorder."
So it wouldn't be "nervous around gunfire", it would be "has a panic attack when someone talks about firearms".
As for it being unnatural, mental illness is no more natural or unnatural than physical illness.
Post by: scriver on September 10, 2013, 11:31:26 am
Post by: Graknorke on September 10, 2013, 12:55:07 pm
I think at this point it's become a reflex.Right, lets stop making such terrible puns.Don't be obtuse, Soli. It was simply a misunderstanding, right?My friend accidentally misspelled angel with angle, while talking about a baby. It was quite funny.Must've been acute baby.
Post by: miauw62 on September 10, 2013, 01:39:38 pm
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 10, 2013, 01:40:08 pm
Am I the only one who feel legitimately offended when people use "trigger warnings" for stupid shit like politics? What about the people who legitimately can't get through their daily lives without having a PTSD attack because something looks like a wire coming out of an IED? What about the people who curl up into a ball for hours on end when they see a grenade? What about the soldiers who legitimately never moved past the war and are now suffering through life because of it? Don't you think it's belittling to soldiers to say that being a little upset over someone mentioning taxes has the same mental disorder?You're not the only one. Besides food poisoning, none of the things in that post that I found sound like actually triggering things.
I heard a discussion on radio years and years ago. It was about how PSTD has become less and less life-changingly significant over time. I don't remember all of the specifics, but for instance on of the things it used to be called was Shell Shock, which conveys without extra medicalspeak that "This person is fucked up." Tumblr-ization of PTSD is just the next step.
Post by: Eotyrannus on September 10, 2013, 01:44:07 pm
I was dissapointed that that sentence didn't have a pun, Grak.
It does. And my reaction to it was 'Oh there's no pun hooray a sensi-GAK'.
Post by: SealyStar on September 10, 2013, 02:25:32 pm
That's right.I was dissapointed that that sentence didn't have a pun, Grak.I'll point it out:
Reflex. A reflex angle. One that is greater than 180 degrees.
What do you call an Englishman with severe hypothermia?
A 90-degree Angle! Hardy har har!
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 02:40:54 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 02:47:06 pm
Why the difference? Because 100 means you are sick.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 10, 2013, 02:51:45 pm
Post by: Darvi on September 10, 2013, 02:51:59 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 02:52:36 pm
100 also means that you're unhealthy if you're using celsius.
No... 100 means you are dead if you are using Celsius.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 10, 2013, 02:53:17 pm
Not really. Most bodies tend to be cold. At 100 you're probably on fire.100 also means that you're unhealthy if you're using celsius.No... 100 means you are dead if you are using Celsius.
Post by: Darvi on September 10, 2013, 02:53:59 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 02:54:30 pm
You're not necessarily dead... yet. Dying, sure, but not quite there.
Your internal temperature is 100... We aren't talking about your skin.
This means your blood is boiling.
Post by: Helgoland on September 10, 2013, 02:55:22 pm
Doesn't "on fire" fall under "unhealthy"?100 also means that you're unhealthy if you're using celsius.
No... 100 means you are dead if you are using Celsius.
Post by: misko27 on September 10, 2013, 02:58:35 pm
I like using Celcius for outdoor/indoor temperature... and Fariehnheit for body temperature.Mostly. 99 is a little sketchy, but still relatively fine. 100 degrees is, unpleasant, but you could still just be over-heating . 101 degrees is absolutely fever. 102 is "take medication" level. 103 is a indicator of a serious fever, and 104 is exactly the point where urgent medical attention is required. 105 is heat stroke territory. 106 is permanent brain damage (this can occur at 105 as well).
Why the difference? Because 100 means you are sick.
An easy threat indicator!
NINJAEDIT: 7 replies?!?
Post by: Vector on September 10, 2013, 02:59:46 pm
I don't know your circumstances in any detail. Couldn't you leave early and stay somewhere else, even if it's just some cheap room?
I'm on the west coast, so no. It's almost impossible to find any sort of housing. Also, I don't exactly have very much money. I'm just barely starting out.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 03:07:49 pm
Post by: Vector on September 10, 2013, 03:12:43 pm
Post by: Oliolli on September 10, 2013, 03:19:13 pm
I heard a discussion on radio years and years ago. It was about how PSTD has become less and less life-changingly significant over time. I don't remember all of the specifics, but for instance on of the things it used to be called was Shell Shock, which conveys without extra medicalspeak that "This person is fucked up." Tumblr-ization of PTSD is just the next step.
Just reminds me of Carlin's wise words
Quote from: George Carlin
There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap.
In the first world war, that condition was called shell shock. Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, shell shock. Almost sounds like the guns themselves.
That was seventy years ago. Then a whole generation went by and the second world war came along and very same combat condition was called battle fatigue. Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! Battle fatigue.
Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called operational exhaustion. Hey, we're up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car.
Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called post-traumatic stress disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-traumatic stress disorder.
I'll bet you if we'd of still been calling it shell shock, some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha. I'll betcha.
Post by: Shakerag on September 10, 2013, 03:21:00 pm
-snip-Vector: The Baskin-Robbins of trauma.
Post by: Vector on September 10, 2013, 03:23:00 pm
-snip-Vector: The Baskin-Robbins of trauma.
If you hate me, that's fine, but treat me with respect while you're at it.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 03:23:29 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 03:25:30 pm
I didn't agree with Carlin on that, I'm not sure if "shell shocked" is the right way to describe how people who are traumatised through non-military situations. I just say trauma/traumatised, PTSD if I'm trying to be medical but that's rare. I find that the word "trauma" has all the connotations you really need.
Well I'd use Shell Shocked if the person had the classic symptoms of someone who was shell shocked... Like losing connection to reality once they have been triggered.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 03:26:07 pm
Post by: SealyStar on September 10, 2013, 03:26:56 pm
Knowing the number of quotes wrongly attributed to Carlin, I do believe you may have been duped, unless you can find some particular source :PI heard a discussion on radio years and years ago. It was about how PSTD has become less and less life-changingly significant over time. I don't remember all of the specifics, but for instance on of the things it used to be called was Shell Shock, which conveys without extra medicalspeak that "This person is fucked up." Tumblr-ization of PTSD is just the next step.
Just reminds me of Carlin's wise wordsQuote from: George CarlinThere's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap.
In the first world war, that condition was called shell shock. Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, shell shock. Almost sounds like the guns themselves.
That was seventy years ago. Then a whole generation went by and the second world war came along and very same combat condition was called battle fatigue. Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! Battle fatigue.
Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called operational exhaustion. Hey, we're up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car.
Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called post-traumatic stress disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-traumatic stress disorder.
I'll bet you if we'd of still been calling it shell shock, some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha. I'll betcha.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 03:27:57 pm
Here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSp8IyaKCs0)
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 03:28:27 pm
Would you call a murderer who relives the murder constantly "shell shocked"? Also, not everyone back then who was "shell shocked" lost connection to reality. I read a story once from a soldier who talked about how he just started shaking for no reason and feeling very, very helpless. He wasn't losing touch with reality.
So he was fearful and helpless in a situation that didn't call for it? Hmmm yes... very grounded in reality :P
Mind you I am intentionally stretching definitions in a playful manner.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 10, 2013, 03:29:19 pm
I didn't agree with Carlin on that, I'm not sure if "shell shocked" is the right way to describe how people who are traumatised through non-military situations. I just say trauma/traumatised, PTSD if I'm trying to be medical but that's rare. I find that the word "trauma" has all the connotations you really need.I also disagree with Carlin. Before it was recognized as PTSD, there was almost no treatment of it whatsoever. There was a little bit of recognition after WWII and in Korea, but back in WWI you could get sent to prison or executed for "cowardice". PTSD is appropriate because it carries medical validity, rather than dismissing it as personal weakness.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 03:30:50 pm
So he was fearful and helpless in a situation that didn't call for it? Hmmm yes... very grounded in reality :P
I don't know if you'd call that "losing touch with reality" though. It's not like he was off in a far-away place in his head, he was aware of where he was and wanted to stop shaking, but he couldn't.
I read something from a train driver yesterday on a forum talking about his experience of trauma after hitting two kids who were playing on the tracks. Same kind of reaction.
Quote
Mind you I am intentionally stretching definitions in a playful manner.
Oh right, I see. That's fine then.
I also disagree with Carlin. Before it was recognized as PTSD, there was almost no treatment of it whatsoever. There was a little bit of recognition after WWII and in Korea, but back in WWI you could get sent to prison or executed for "cowardice". PTSD is appropriate because it carries medical validity, rather than dismissing it as personal weakness.
I would prefer to use PTSD when talking about/with people who have a formal diagnosis of the condition. I would use "trauma"/"traumatised" otherwise.
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 03:34:24 pm
I don't know if you'd call that "losing touch with reality" though. It's not like he was off in a far-away place in his head, he was aware of where he was and wanted to stop shaking, but he couldn't.
I read something from a train driver yesterday on a forum talking about his experience of trauma after hitting two kids who were playing on the tracks. Same kind of reaction.
I am actually not sure thinking about it. It is the exact same thing as most "Shell shocked" people, but it is not to the same extent that they lose themselves.
Then again if I accept that then I have to accept that the people who get flash backs do not "lose track of reality" but rather they fall into a semiconscious state.
Ohh the mind. I'd TOTALLY become a psychologist if I wasn't so afraid of dissecting in biology.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 03:36:06 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 03:36:48 pm
Even then calling it a "semiconscious state" is a bit off. It can be far weaker than that or worse depending on circumstances.
I was referring to the ones who go into flashbacks and start acting it out.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 03:38:09 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 03:40:18 pm
Now you see, you have a particular idea there of what a shell shocked person is like rather than a medical definition. You've assumed that people who relive an event/experience a flashback will act it out, but that isn't necessarily the case.
No, that isn't what I mean.
I am wondering if the lighter cases of Shell Shock are directly linked to the heavier cases but they only differ by simple severity.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 03:41:33 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 03:43:08 pm
The whole idea of "shell shock" is just something people created when they tried to understand trauma and clinical PTSD on a large scale after the First World War.
I know.
It was also one of the turning points of psychotherapy as this was one of the first times we had to experience, as a nation, mass psychosis... and be able to do something too.
Post by: Shakerag on September 10, 2013, 03:46:00 pm
Vector my dear, that was me being lighthearted and respectful. I did not intend to offend.-snip-Vector: The Baskin-Robbins of trauma.
If you hate me, that's fine, but treat me with respect while you're at it.
Knowing the number of quotes wrongly attributed to Carlin, I do believe you may have been duped, unless you can find some particular source :PI can guarantee that Carlin did that routine, as I've heard him perform it. EDIT: Ninja'd. Bother.
I also disagree with Carlin. Before it was recognized as PTSD, there was almost no treatment of it whatsoever. There was a little bit of recognition after WWII and in Korea, but back in WWI you could get sent to prison or executed for "cowardice". PTSD is appropriate because it carries medical validity, rather than dismissing it as personal weakness.I agree that it is something that should be recognized (and certainly is very different from "cowardice") and not punished, but I'm still not sold on it being a "disorder". The definition of "trauma" indicates "an experience that produces psychological injury or pain" and "a powerful shock that may have long-lasting effects". So one who experiences a traumatic event ... would very much be expected to be experiencing what everyone is labeling as "PTSD". Hence why I'm looking at the situation with a thought of "well, yeah, what did you expect to happen after someone has a traumatic experience?" rather than "oh, that behavior is indicitive of a disorder".
If I cut my finger with a knife, I don't think that blood coming from the wound is a disorder. Blood tends to come out of knife wounds in a rather expected manner.
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 03:47:59 pm
Well that AND if you cut your finger with a knife, your body is trying to correct the disorder by bleeding.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 03:50:02 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 10, 2013, 03:51:49 pm
No, they really aren't. As I said before, most traumatic experiences do not result in PTSD. The behavior is most certainly indicative of a disorder, because the mind can't properly process the trauma and relives the experience in some way.I also disagree with Carlin. Before it was recognized as PTSD, there was almost no treatment of it whatsoever. There was a little bit of recognition after WWII and in Korea, but back in WWI you could get sent to prison or executed for "cowardice". PTSD is appropriate because it carries medical validity, rather than dismissing it as personal weakness.I agree that it is something that should be recognized (and certainly is very different from "cowardice") and not punished, but I'm still not sold on it being a "disorder". The definition of "trauma" indicates "an experience that produces psychological injury or pain" and "a powerful shock that may have long-lasting effects". So one who experiences a traumatic event ... would very much be expected to be experiencing what everyone is labeling as "PTSD". Hence why I'm looking at the situation with a thought of "well, yeah, what did you expect to happen after someone has a traumatic experience?" rather than "oh, that behavior is indicitive of a disorder".
If I cut my finger with a knife, I don't think that blood coming from the wound is a disorder. Blood tends to come out of knife wounds in a rather expected manner.
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 03:52:23 pm
I only hear the word "PTSD" thrown around is if someone's actually gone to the white coats and gotten tests. It's like a certificate that you can then use in legal or administrative situations where you need something official to show people.
Also oddly enough... you can get stress disorders without the Traumatic experience.
Post by: Frumple on September 10, 2013, 03:56:06 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 03:57:03 pm
There's... nothing odd about that?
The idea that through mild disapproval you can turn someone into a psychological wreck? The idea that the strength of the mind is paradoxical at best?
I'd say there is an oddness about it.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 03:59:37 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 10, 2013, 04:00:20 pm
I don't think that's odd at all, people are generally very sensitive about what people think of them. Even if they say "I don't care what people think", there's usually someone's opinion that matters very much to them.
But enough to give them PTSD-like symptoms?
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 10, 2013, 04:01:40 pm
Hence why I'm looking at the situation with a thought of "well, yeah, what did you expect to happen after someone has a traumatic experience?" rather than "oh, that behavior is indicitive of a disorder".
I don't think you understand what that word means in this context. "Not ordered" certainly is a definition of "disorder" but its the definition you would use to describe a messy room. The definition of disorder used to describe things like PTSD has nothing to do with whether the disorder is expected. If your family has a history of diabetes, for example, it wouldn't be a surprise if you got it, but it would still be a disorder.
It is a disorder if the blood doesn't stop coming from the wound or if the wound festers.
Well that AND if you cut your finger with a knife, your body is trying to correct the disorder by bleeding.
Did... did you just imply that bleeding out of a wound is something your body causes on purpose?
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 04:09:19 pm
But enough to give them PTSD-like symptoms?
Yes. That is quite sufficient, though it depends on what you mean by "PTSD like symptoms".
Post by: Frumple on September 10, 2013, 04:10:40 pm
The idea that through mild disapproval you can turn someone into a psychological wreck? The idea that the strength of the mind is paradoxical at best?Again, that's... not even remotely odd. Stress is bad for you. Even light degrees of it, especially if it's consistent over a long period of time. It'll bugger a person up. Cause of the stress is fairly irrelevant, so far as I'm aware, so long as it's occuring. S'one of the reasons stress is so bad for you, since it (on the basic physical side of things) is a fairly regular (set of) reaction(s) to a potentially very wide array of stimulants (many/most of which stress reactions are frankly detrimental for dealing with). Keep flooding the body with stuff that basically causes it to break and, well. It breaks.
I'd say there is an oddness about it.
Post by: Owlbread on September 10, 2013, 04:15:38 pm
My grandmother suffered from terrible anxiety all the way through her life. She worried about everything from financial stuff to me, my dad, the pets, us going on holiday (and what if something happens), anything. She just worried constantly. That kind of anxiety developed from her fairly traumatic childhood when she lost all of her siblings and her mother abandoned her. She developed Alzheimer's Disease a few years ago and I'm convinced it's from a lifetime of anxiety and stress.
Even with Alzheimer's her biggest fear is abandonment and that my grandfather or any of us will leave her. The saddest thing is we will have to one day, but by then I'm hoping she won't be aware of that anymore.
Post by: Shakerag on September 10, 2013, 04:16:27 pm
No, they really aren't. As I said before, most traumatic experiences do not result in PTSD. The behavior is most certainly indicative of a disorder, because the mind can't properly process the trauma and relives the experience in some way.Avoiding the issue of getting statistical information on the "trauma -> PTSD" part ... Then I would just say that people possess varying levels of "mental fortitude". Some people are more likely to cope with traumatic events happening to them, and some people are more strongly affected by them and for longer. But that is something specific to each individual and not something one can make sweeping generalizations for that cover all of humanity.
By stating certain reactions to traumatic events are characteristic of a "disorder", then you would have to have some manner in establishing what a standard level of response to a traumatic event is. Can you quantify something like that? Where does one draw the line between "this is an acceptable amount of stress in response to being emotionally abused" and "this is an unacceptable amount of stress in response to being emotionally abused".
It is a disorder if the blood doesn't stop coming from the wound or if the wound festers.That's ... not quite the point I was trying to make.
Well that AND if you cut your finger with a knife, your body is trying to correct the disorder by bleeding.
Post by: Descan on September 10, 2013, 04:33:54 pm
Keeps the bacteria out (ever try to swim against a current?) and pushes platelets out to the wound to seal it. I can certainly see that as "on purpose".It is a disorder if the blood doesn't stop coming from the wound or if the wound festers.
Well that AND if you cut your finger with a knife, your body is trying to correct the disorder by bleeding.
Did... did you just imply that bleeding out of a wound is something your body causes on purpose?
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 10, 2013, 04:40:30 pm
By stating certain reactions to traumatic events are characteristic of a "disorder", then you would have to have some manner in establishing what a standard level of response to a traumatic event is. Can you quantify something like that? Where does one draw the line between "this is an acceptable amount of stress in response to being emotionally abused" and "this is an unacceptable amount of stress in response to being emotionally abused".
This is an issue with all disorders. How much distractedness is ADHD? How much obssessiveness is OCD? The point is that some people exhibiting certain behaviors need help, and some people showing less of the same don't need help, and you just need to draw the line somewhere.
The part where it scabs is on purpose, sure. But your body couldn't possibly avoid bleeding. There was a wall keeping pressurized liquid in and then there isn't, of course the liquid comes out. Its not like fevers or vomiting where the human body evolved a mechanism to actively cause it if something goes wrong, which seemed to be what Neonovik was implying.Keeps the bacteria out (ever try to swim against a current?) and pushes platelets out to the wound to seal it. I can certainly see that as "on purpose".It is a disorder if the blood doesn't stop coming from the wound or if the wound festers.
Well that AND if you cut your finger with a knife, your body is trying to correct the disorder by bleeding.
Did... did you just imply that bleeding out of a wound is something your body causes on purpose?
Post by: frostshotgg on September 10, 2013, 04:53:55 pm
Post by: Descan on September 10, 2013, 05:11:55 pm
Pretty sure it's a wrong idea, but... I don't know what but, but but.
Post by: misko27 on September 10, 2013, 05:20:52 pm
Expectations is not that important. Either a messy room or Diabetes is something out of order, even if out of order is the norm. Order=\=normal.Hence why I'm looking at the situation with a thought of "well, yeah, what did you expect to happen after someone has a traumatic experience?" rather than "oh, that behavior is indicitive of a disorder".
I don't think you understand what that word means in this context. "Not ordered" certainly is a definition of "disorder" but its the definition you would use to describe a messy room. The definition of disorder used to describe things like PTSD has nothing to do with whether the disorder is expected. If your family has a history of diabetes, for example, it wouldn't be a surprise if you got it, but it would still be a disorder.
Severity really is what makes it, (assuming no long-term physiological changes) and we can't define how severe things are. It's a inexact science.
For the record, that George Carlin quote was exactly what I was thinking of. Thank you for that.Shell shock refers to the poor bastards who went mad in bunkers while under bombardment. After what could be days locked up in a confined place, with banging and explosions as the ground above you was pummeled, entirely aware of the fact you could be killed or gravely wounded by a particularly large shell gaining a direct hit on your bunker, it's no surprise some people couldn't take it.
Pretty sure blood pressure is higher than external pressure because that's how you get enough oxygen at a fast enough rate, but there is the idea of blood pressure evolving to keep out bacteria. :3It's higher because it needs to be! Otherwise just leaning on something could cut off blood flow (basing this on absolutely nothing of course). But mostly getting okygen quickly. You breathe quickly, walk quickly (well, fairly fast), no wonder it pumps so hard!
Pretty sure it's a wrong idea, but... I don't know what but, but but.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 10, 2013, 05:24:29 pm
For the record, that George Carlin quote was exactly what I was thinking of. Thank you for that.Shell shock refers to the poor bastards who went mad in bunkers while under bombardment. After what could be days locked up in a confined place, with banging and explosions as the ground above you was pummeled, entirely aware of the fact you could be killed or gravely wounded by a particularly large shell gaining a direct hit on your bunker, it's no surprise some people couldn't take it.
Yes, and Carlin's piece on euphemistic language featured a diatribe about the progression from "shell shock" to PTSD.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 10, 2013, 05:34:27 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on September 10, 2013, 05:58:10 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on September 10, 2013, 06:29:02 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 10, 2013, 06:37:28 pm
The word trauma has now become totally meaningless jabbering to me.
Post by: Descan on September 10, 2013, 06:40:49 pm
Not quite, I think. The point as I took it was that it is normal for there to be mental llama after experiencing something which is mentally llamatic, just as it is normal for there to be physical llama after experiencing something which is physically llamatic. Going by the same example, PLSD is akin to a cut which festers and requires additional, more serious care to deal with. Being llamatized by something llamatic is not a disorder; having that llama continue far past the point where it ordinarily begins to fade is, just as a cut which heals at the normal rate is not unusual (a physical disorder), while a cut which becomes badly infected is. There's a distinction to be made between "this event llamatized me" and "this event resulted in PLSD". I've had llamatic experiences (admittedly less so than some, and more due to my mental and emotional state as a child than anything else) that really fucked with my mind, fears, and perception of the world. I don't have PLSD.
The word llama has now become totally meaningless jabbering to me.
Post by: penguinofhonor on September 10, 2013, 06:51:18 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 10, 2013, 10:09:29 pm
Descan stop being all those things are you not still a pastry of some sort I seem to remember this being a thing. Now you are also Maxis and probably a Llama.
So Descan is a Pastry Llama CEO of Video Games.
The fuck is wrong with my head.
Post by: Descan on September 11, 2013, 12:02:40 am
Post by: Sirus on September 11, 2013, 12:04:36 am
Post by: Descan on September 11, 2013, 12:10:04 am
/me spits, chews cud (do llamas chew cud? well now they do).
Post by: tahujdt on September 11, 2013, 01:10:01 am
The point being that just like no-one bands together and (intends to) go out and force people to be decent, no-one bands together and forces people to protect the mentally sensitive. We do have a band of people who protect from ragamuffinry and villainy, but having a police that forces people to be decent would be invasive.It's not the world's responsibility to shield people with mental sensitivity.Neither is it anyone responsibility to be a decent person, but most at least try to.
Note: This is a semi-relevant topic for me, because the awesome aging-hippie-but-martial-arts-master-and-rugby-enthusiast World History teacher at my school was a Vietnam veteran, and he has some now-minor PTSD which is triggered by extremely-loud noises. My grandfather was also in Vietnam, but he was a helicopter (specifically, a Blackhawk) pilot, so I don't think that position would expose him to as many PTSD-inducing events, and that's not the sort of thing you want to ask about.
EDIT: said AHBMAMREWHT is awesome and cool to the two honors classes (I have one), but less nice to everyone else. I guess it's because history is designated by your hindbrain (along with English) as easy work that you can procrastinate until the last minute, even when it's not. Honors students have the exact same issue, but they're smart enough to fake passable work at the last second. This teacher's only natural enemy in the school, (they're friends, but they are both very passionate about their side of the political scale [one is a Venezuelan who came to (North) America when he was 17 and could not speak English, but who got a leg up in life because of the freedom in the US, and the other is a Vietnam vet whose eyes were opened to the fucked-uppedness of life in general after he came home], and they can get into some fantastic [and entertaining] fights about such things.) the police officer, is a martial arts master times ten. The AHBMAMetc. knows mainly judo and wrestling, but this police officer does it all. He also is a sensei at his own dojo (I used to study under him), which also has a class dedicated to traditional martial arts weaponry usage (the real uses, not the TMNT uses) and is a former drug-ring-breaker-upper. Whenever he comes down to the cafeteria for lunch, he regales us with tales of his past career, such as the time he was picked for his unique combination of skills and looks to go under cover, and was targeted by a drive-by shooting. In one tale from his undercover period, he was, of course, pulled over by the police because he matched the description of one of the cartel's members. (YA THINK?) They got it sorted out eventually, though.
Sorry for all the brainspew, whenever I'm posting this late at night it's usually because my brain won't go to sleep and is still very active, if not organized.
On the subject of llama, llamar is the Spanish verb for to call (as in, what you call something). In Spanish, if you are learning practical Spanish, you never say "My/your/his name is XXX", you say "I call myself XXX". "Me llamo tahujdt", I call myself tahujdt. Llama, pronounced ya-ma, means he/she/it calls, or it could mean you(formal) call. "Se llama llama", he calls himself Llama.
Still llama-related, my dad told me this joke:
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If a one-L Lama is a monk, and a two-L llama, what's a three-L llama? Note: this joke is only funny when told, not read.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
DOUBLEEDIT:
Maybe some people want to be able to just read and relax on the internet without being forced to face their psychological problems constantly? I don't think that's asking for a ton.That kind of falls under the category of safe zone, if you are a grammar teacher who has PTSD or TPTSD(Tumblr Post-traumatic Stress Disorder) and freaks out over misspellings and grammar mistakes, then you want to stay away from 4chan.
I'd be willing to bet that even people who are dealing with their problems enjoy getting a break from it.
Honestly, though, I think we're arguing about two different issues (or two different facets of the same one). To use Vector as an example, he gets uncomfortable around blonde Northern-Europeany people, so he probably should stay away from blondenotherneuropeanypeople.com (yes, I know that's hyperbole). What I'm saying is that yes, people with mental disabilities should be able to relax, but if you have a condition that's brought on by swearing or trolling, then the internet is probably not the right place for you. Even if it's something else, you should still
Please note that the above is a massive babble and I may contradict any part or all of it tomorrow depending on my state of mind. (Not really, but I'm not too coherent right now)
Post by: LordSlowpoke on September 11, 2013, 02:58:17 am
Post by: miauw62 on September 11, 2013, 10:37:54 am
Quote from: a friend
Scientist have found aliens!
Quote from: that same friend
Scientists are trying to create aliens in labs!It took some explaining to make it clear that, considering the sheer size of the universe, the chance is very high that there IS alien life, but we're not sure.
The second point was easier. If they're creating single-celled organisms on earth, they're hardly aliens, eh?
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 11, 2013, 05:21:59 pm
Edit: also, I found this gem on tumblr.txt: "Giving a random kid power just because he was chosen by god/the great wolf spirit, is exactly the same as invading a country." Apparently the OP was talking about Teen Wolf or some crap. The context does'nt matter, it's still really stupid.
Post by: Neonivek on September 11, 2013, 05:26:16 pm
So somebody on tumblr tried to convince me that starving kids had thin privilege.
What is this? The benefit of being super thin?
But that isn't even a privilege in all countries, quite a few would consider being fat "sexy" over being anorexic.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 11, 2013, 05:29:36 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 11, 2013, 05:32:40 pm
I don't know, tumblr says crazy stuff like this all the time.
Well if I ASSUME that the person isn't saying something stupid. I COULD interpret thin privilege to be a somewhat confusingly said statement that starving children have "few" privileges.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 11, 2013, 05:45:16 pm
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 11, 2013, 06:06:48 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on September 11, 2013, 06:13:28 pm
In other news, I went on a small FSTDT sprint.I've also been trawling through that site, recently.
My brain hurts.
Post by: ZetaX on September 12, 2013, 04:51:07 am
My grandmother suffered from terrible anxiety all the way through her life. She worried about everything [...]. She developed Alzheimer's Disease a few years ago and I'm convinced it's from a lifetime of anxiety and stress.Judging from the fact that a lot of people, also such with a healthy stressless life, get Alzheimer's, I think that you are completely wrong on that conclusion as long as you don't have way more serious reasons. Correlation does not imply causility, and all that.
Post by: cerapa on September 12, 2013, 09:04:52 am
Trying to dispute someone's grandmother's condition on the basis that you don't have enough data seems both insensitive and rather silly.Please read ZetaX's post again. He at no point disputed her condition.
Post by: Owlbread on September 12, 2013, 09:28:59 am
Stress does mean things to the body and mind. Trying to dispute someone's grandmother's condition on the basis that you don't have enough data seems both insensitive and rather silly.
I don't consider it insensitive and silly, as cerapa said he's not disputing her condition. He's right to make that point. People get Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia without being stressed as he says, but I was wondering if a lifetime of stress and anxiety contributed to it. That's my gut feeling about it, I can't think of anything else she did that would single her out from other people her age. Alzheimer's seems to come from lots and lots of little things, maybe being very anxious all the time is one of them.
That said, to call me "completely wrong" because I don't have more evidence is a bit strong, considering scientists still don't know what causes the plaques to form and so forth.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 12, 2013, 12:42:18 pm
considering scientists still don't know what causes the plaques to form and so forth.Um, we kinda do. It's a failure/ mutation of several proteins. The reasons for their failure are varied.
I would however like to say that it might not be the stress/anxiety that's causing the conditions, but that there's an underlying psychological/genetical or other problem that is contributing to both conditions.
Post by: Owlbread on September 12, 2013, 02:34:27 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 12, 2013, 03:48:02 pm
Quote from: Prequel Comment
i know u might ignore(or not see it at all) but i kinda want 1 of my skyrim charaters ingame,(his name is lokion ofc but u can make up a name if u dont like it),hes got blackish fur,right eye blue,left eye yellow,is pretty much oposite of katia except hes ofc a khajiit(hes a guy too),hes a rare type of people called “dreamwalkers” who are people who can go into dreams and let people into there dreams(where if he goes into katias where shes a kid,hes gonna be a kid too),he has a small mine north of anvil(optional) and hes got 15,267 septims(what my charater has in skyrim) and hes got armor and a weapon that CAN actualy work(UNLIKE THAT CRAPPY MACHETTE!!!),has the same problem as katia except that instead of KINGS its mudcrabs(and its ALOT more terrifying too…,more like a demonic crab that turns into prettymuch a demon of death and murder,probably 10x more scary than the king…),tho i bet u wont see this anyways even tho how BIG this rly is…,maybe can put him in if u decide to when shes at the dance competition(which i think katias gonna fail tho…) or on the way back to anvilpleasebejokingpleasebejokingpleasebejoking
Post by: Darvi on September 12, 2013, 03:48:54 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 12, 2013, 03:53:24 pm
Edit: Dance competition? What?
Post by: PanH on September 12, 2013, 03:56:19 pm
I couldn't even read the first word completely.
Post by: Graknorke on September 12, 2013, 04:12:43 pm
I'm not sure I understand the context.Prequel is a webcomic. Basically this guy wants his own Mary-Sue inserted into the story and thinks he'll get it.
Edit: Dance competition? What?
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 12, 2013, 04:17:48 pm
Face, have you met Palm? I don think so. Let me introduce you.I'm not sure I understand the context.Prequel is a webcomic. Basically this guy wants his own Mary-Sue inserted into the story and thinks he'll get it.
Edit: Dance competition? What?
Post by: Neonivek on September 12, 2013, 04:21:28 pm
I'm not sure I understand the context.Prequel is a webcomic. Basically this guy wants his own Mary-Sue inserted into the story and thinks he'll get it.
Edit: Dance competition? What?
Ehh, there are so many ways to insert a Mary Sue into a story and have it work.
Besides you CLEARLY haven't noticed the problem here.
It is a oddly named Kajite who can travel into dreams, who's arch-nemesis is a mud crab.
This is why Mary Sues can work, the people who create them often lack self-awareness.
Post by: Darvi on September 12, 2013, 05:00:47 pm
I have found the most perfect scene that I would make into a gif if I knew how to. instead, let me link you to it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOFrFt5gKFw&t=40s).Face, have you met Palm? I don think so. Let me introduce you.I'm not sure I understand the context.Prequel is a webcomic. Basically this guy wants his own Mary-Sue inserted into the story and thinks he'll get it.
Edit: Dance competition? What?
Post by: SealyStar on September 12, 2013, 05:52:24 pm
Jesús.Quote from: Prequel Commenti know u might ignore(or not see it at all) but i kinda want 1 of my skyrim charaters ingame,(his name is lokion ofc but u can make up a name if u dont like it),hes got blackish fur,right eye blue,left eye yellow,is pretty much oposite of katia except hes ofc a khajiit(hes a guy too),hes a rare type of people called “dreamwalkers” who are people who can go into dreams and let people into there dreams(where if he goes into katias where shes a kid,hes gonna be a kid too),he has a small mine north of anvil(optional) and hes got 15,267 septims(what my charater has in skyrim) and hes got armor and a weapon that CAN actualy work(UNLIKE THAT CRAPPY MACHETTE!!!),has the same problem as katia except that instead of KINGS its mudcrabs(and its ALOT more terrifying too…,more like a demonic crab that turns into prettymuch a demon of death and murder,probably 10x more scary than the king…),tho i bet u wont see this anyways even tho how BIG this rly is…,maybe can put him in if u decide to when shes at the dance competition(which i think katias gonna fail tho…) or on the way back to anvilpleasebejokingpleasebejokingpleasebejoking
That's pretty stupid right there.
Post by: BlackFlyme on September 13, 2013, 11:55:28 pm
Like the guy who asked for a 4-foot by 6-foot bumper sticker.
Or the guy that wanted a temporary tattoo that was made with invisible ink.
Or the guy who asked for a scratch-and-sniff sticker that smelled like rainbows.
Post by: LordBucket on September 14, 2013, 01:00:41 am
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Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
"We should bomb Syria to dust and pave over the whole place. Make it a giant parking lot."
Oh, really? Why do you feel that way?
"Pay those ragheads back for 911"
...wait, what?
Post by: miauw62 on September 14, 2013, 03:08:34 am
LET'S SHOEHORN MY POLITICAL OPINION INTO IT!
Post by: Putnam on September 14, 2013, 03:09:35 am
Oh hey, a non-politics thread!
LET'S SHOEHORN MY POLITICAL OPINION INTO IT!
i don't think "let's commit genocide on entire countries in response to a terrorist act" is too political to think stupid
Post by: Neonivek on September 14, 2013, 03:09:56 am
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the guy that wanted a temporary tattoo that was made with invisible ink
Why is that weird? That sounds like something someone would actually buy.
Post by: Xantalos on September 14, 2013, 03:10:06 am
Oh hey, a non-politics thread!Huh? I think LB was confused because Syria as a country had nothing to do with 9/11.
LET'S SHOEHORN MY POLITICAL OPINION INTO IT!
Post by: miauw62 on September 14, 2013, 03:21:36 am
Post by: NobodyPro on September 14, 2013, 03:30:18 am
Maybe he wanted a temporary UV tattoo?Quotethe guy that wanted a temporary tattoo that was made with invisible ink
Why is that weird? That sounds like something someone would actually buy.
Post by: Neonivek on September 14, 2013, 03:31:01 am
Maybe he wanted a temporary UV tattoo?Quotethe guy that wanted a temporary tattoo that was made with invisible ink
Why is that weird? That sounds like something someone would actually buy.
Well no it is a prank. You talk to your child and you are like "well how about this tattoo" and the kid puts it on... then BOOM! it is gone.
The kid cries and you laugh and laugh.
Post by: SealyStar on September 14, 2013, 08:35:50 am
Oh hey, a non-politics thread!Really, I think the real political issue is "Should we attack Syria or not?" (and even then, it's a remarkably unorthodox political issue, since it's so relatively non-partisan). His quotes aren't about that. His quotes are about destroying the entire country, referring to its people as ragheads, and blaming Syrians for 9/11. Which is non-political, and stupid.
LET'S SHOEHORN MY POLITICAL OPINION INTO IT!
Post by: Vattic on September 14, 2013, 12:02:13 pm
QuoteAmazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
"We should bomb Syria to dust and pave over the whole place. Make it a giant parking lot."
Oh, really? Why do you feel that way?
"Pay those ragheads back for 911"
...wait, what?
That reminds me. Upon seeing the initial Egyptian protests a colleague asked why the West didn't just bomb the whole country to get rid of the problem. We get similar angry responses from her whenever the news shows a non-western country doing anything she disagrees with.
The same person got really upset when seeing a middle eastern bloke hawking saying: "you don't get cruelty like that in the UK". Weird thing is that she's a country girl and there are a fair few falconers in this small town.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 14, 2013, 01:13:02 pm
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Here is a question you.Oh, FSTDT. You never cease to amaze me.
So a light year = the distance light travels in a year.
You mentioned the figure 11 million light years away.
So my question is how are we observing this light 11 million light years away now?
I'm not 11 million years old, i'm 20.
Post by: SealyStar on September 14, 2013, 01:17:19 pm
The most recurring sign, which I saw going by today, says "Marxism/Socialism = Poverty + Hunger". I realized that it must be a four-variable equation and, shortening the variables to M, S, P, and H, began solving for each variable. I arrived at some interesting, and often illogical, conclusions, including:
(P + H) x S = M [Marxism equals the amount of poverty and hunger times the amount of socialism]
S = M / (P + H) [Socialism equals Marxism divided by poverty and hunger]
As M increases, P + H increases, so Marxism is bad.
As S increases, however, P + H decreases, so more socialism is actually good.
A country with zero socialism has infinite poverty and hunger.
A country with zero Marxism has no poverty and hunger.
We can also do calculus if we assume the variables are actually functions instead: ((M' x S) - (S' x M)) / S2 = P' + H' [The rate at which poverty and hunger change equals the rate at which Marxism changes times the amount of socialism minus the rate at which socialism changes times the amount of Marxism divided by the amount of socialism squared?]
I then realized we could try to figure out the units on each variable. I think hunger and poverty are measured in terms of impoverished/hungry people, which then means that the units on M/S must come out to be people (p). Obviously Marxism is socialism (a quantity, I suppose) by the people (express as soc x p, think foot-pounds or newton-meters, which I realize is really just a retarded name for joules), and socialism is just a quantity of socialism (soc), so M/S comes out as (soc x p) / soc = p.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 14, 2013, 01:28:30 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 14, 2013, 01:31:22 pm
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Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 14, 2013, 01:39:43 pm
Post by: SealyStar on September 14, 2013, 01:42:04 pm
I wouldn't exactly call that an abuse of the first amendment. Stupid, but not an abuse.True, I use "abuse" loosely here. I think it's well within his rights to say it, but it's douchebaggy of him to do so.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 14, 2013, 02:12:54 pm
What I don't get is how they even managed to latch onto that in the first place. Sharia has always, by definition, not been legal in America, as the Constitution establishes a single secular law and forbids the establishment of religious law.You expect paranoid political extremists to display clear, rational thought when creating their arguments? Islam is the new communism; if you can possibility work it into your accusations (regardless of their relation to politics, religion, or the Middle East), you do so. At least if you're that sort of person.
Post by: BlackFlyme on September 14, 2013, 02:20:11 pm
Quotethe guy that wanted a temporary tattoo that was made with invisible ink
Why is that weird? That sounds like something someone would actually buy.
Should have elaborated, he wanted a completely transparent tattoo. Which would basically be rubbing skin-safe glue on your arm.
He specifically wanted the invisible tattoo for a party so that kids could draw on them after being applied, but still have it wash off like a normal tattoo afterwards. Sort of like a 'make-your-own-tattoo' I guess. May as well have them draw on themselves, since the marker will either not leave a mark properly at best and rub off the glue at worst.
Post by: Sirus on September 14, 2013, 04:39:46 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 14, 2013, 04:42:22 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 14, 2013, 04:42:43 pm
Do these people really not realise that the website is a compilation of dumb shit sourced from various places, and the original authors are incredibly unlikely to see the FSTDT entry?
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 14, 2013, 06:09:14 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 15, 2013, 01:23:05 am
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QuoteThis is false. Matter can be both created and destroyed. Why are you claiming that it cannot? Who has taught you that it cannot be created or destroyed? Most importantly, why do you believe this is evidence in favor of young earth creationism?XD What do you mean? Its a law of physics.
Please link me to them. I'm not familiar with any such material.QuoteThe more complicated answer is that in some nuclear reactions particles can be converted into energy ( like in a hydrogen bomb). If that happened to your atoms you would said they were destroyed. If you consider the familiar equation E=mc2 it means there is an equivalence between matter and energy.But the simple answer is just so... much simpler.
What this means, is that all the matter in our world can be created, so it means it can only change form. Which means that, scientifically, evolution can't be true, because it requires more matter to be constatly produced (we have more matter than a one cell creature) evolution is supposed to be a explanation of us without the use of the supernatural. Obviously, mass had to be created at some point by something, but it has been made that more can't be created
I dont even. No. NO. Just...
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because it requires more matter to be constatly produced (we have more matter than a one cell creature)
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because it requires more matter to be constatly produced (we have more matter than a one cell creature)
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because it requires more matter to be constatly produced (we have more matter than a one cell creature)
My high school science teacher wasn't too far from this. He was awesome, but pretty fundamental.
Post by: Graknorke on September 15, 2013, 03:06:48 am
So the big bang means that young Earth creationism is true? What? How does a person even traverse that logical pathway?
Post by: miauw62 on September 15, 2013, 03:10:10 am
Post by: Graknorke on September 15, 2013, 07:03:45 am
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this is stupid i sure as hell don't believe in "space" which i sure as hell don't believve in neutron stars lol...what certain ppl sound like
Post by: Mr Space Cat on September 15, 2013, 11:22:56 am
I'm gonna have to slap a fool.Quotethis is stupid i sure as hell don't believe in "space" which i sure as hell don't believve in neutron stars lol...what certain ppl sound like
Post by: Eotyrannus on September 15, 2013, 11:31:18 am
SCIENCE-RAAAAAAAAGEI'm gonna have to slap a fool.Quotethis is stupid i sure as hell don't believe in "space" which i sure as hell don't believve in neutron stars lol...what certain ppl sound like
Post by: Oliolli on September 15, 2013, 11:53:33 am
So do I. Cats have claws, so a space cat must have some sort of space-age alloy monofilament claws or something.I pity the fool who gets slapped by a space cat!I'm gonna have to slap a fool.Quotethis is stupid i sure as hell don't believe in "space" which i sure as hell don't believve in neutron stars lol...what certain ppl sound like
Post by: da_nang on September 15, 2013, 12:41:33 pm
Their claws tear through the space-time continuum.So do I. Cats have claws, so a space cat must have some sort of space-age alloy monofilament claws or something.I pity the fool who gets slapped by a space cat!I'm gonna have to slap a fool.Quotethis is stupid i sure as hell don't believe in "space" which i sure as hell don't believve in neutron stars lol...what certain ppl sound like
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 15, 2013, 01:25:58 pm
Prepare for facepalms.
Post by: Sirus on September 15, 2013, 01:30:11 pm
http://24.media.tumblr.com/63240d390ee0ada9aeca2bce257cb3c7/tumblr_mt33htAxd01qbp945o1_500.pngFukkin gay marriage, how does it werk?
Prepare for facepalms.
Post by: da_nang on September 15, 2013, 01:31:02 pm
http://24.media.tumblr.com/63240d390ee0ada9aeca2bce257cb3c7/tumblr_mt33htAxd01qbp945o1_500.png(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab151/cbecker07/Facedesk.png)
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Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 15, 2013, 02:29:42 pm
Actually, that's what he's saying. Huffington Post. (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/13/nigerian-student-science-prove-gay-marriage-wrong_n_3920879.html)http://24.media.tumblr.com/63240d390ee0ada9aeca2bce257cb3c7/tumblr_mt33htAxd01qbp945o1_500.png'See, it IS impossible if we do this: place two HUGE magnets inside gay people, and then make them face north out the front and back, then they cannot go near each other! Perfect sense!'
Prepare for facepalms.
The worst part of this, the part that makes we want to go curl up in a ball and cry my eyes out, is that his university supports this, and that the faculty told him he would go on to win a Nobel Prize.
Why?
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 15, 2013, 02:31:38 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 15, 2013, 02:36:31 pm
Real men sodomize undead giant sponges.Actually, that's what he's saying. Huffington Post. (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/13/nigerian-student-science-prove-gay-marriage-wrong_n_3920879.html)http://24.media.tumblr.com/63240d390ee0ada9aeca2bce257cb3c7/tumblr_mt33htAxd01qbp945o1_500.png'See, it IS impossible if we do this: place two HUGE magnets inside gay people, and then make them face north out the front and back, then they cannot go near each other! Perfect sense!'
Prepare for facepalms.
The worst part of this, the part that makes we want to go curl up in a ball and cry my eyes out, is that his university supports this, and that the faculty told him he would go on to win a Nobel Prize.
Why?QuoteAmalaha says his "groundbreaking" experiments show the north and south poles of two magnets are attracted to each other while same poles repel each other.Sorry, didn't know that magnet poles apply to everything else. I'm not allowed to mate with a human. Gonna go sodomise a sponge.
He concludes this “means that man cannot attract another man because they are the same, and a woman should not attract a woman because they are the same. That is how I used physics to prove gay marriage wrong".
Post by: Sirus on September 15, 2013, 02:36:31 pm
I didn't think any argument could be older and more idiotic than "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!". Oh how wrong I was >_<Actually, that's what he's saying. Huffington Post. (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/13/nigerian-student-science-prove-gay-marriage-wrong_n_3920879.html)http://24.media.tumblr.com/63240d390ee0ada9aeca2bce257cb3c7/tumblr_mt33htAxd01qbp945o1_500.png'See, it IS impossible if we do this: place two HUGE magnets inside gay people, and then make them face north out the front and back, then they cannot go near each other! Perfect sense!'
Prepare for facepalms.
The worst part of this, the part that makes we want to go curl up in a ball and cry my eyes out, is that his university supports this, and that the faculty told him he would go on to win a Nobel Prize.
Why?QuoteAmalaha says his "groundbreaking" experiments show the north and south poles of two magnets are attracted to each other while same poles repel each other.Sorry, didn't know that magnet poles apply to everything else. I'm not allowed to mate with a human. Gonna go sodomise a sponge.
He concludes this “means that man cannot attract another man because they are the same, and a woman should not attract a woman because they are the same. That is how I used physics to prove gay marriage wrong".
Post by: Darvi on September 15, 2013, 02:45:13 pm
Sorry, didn't know that magnet poles apply to everything else. I'm not allowed to mate with a bear. Gonna go sodomise a sponge.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 15, 2013, 03:13:28 pm
Science gives us this equation: F[orce] = q[electric charge] * ( E[lectric field] + [instantaneous] v[elocity] * [vector cross product of] B [magnetic field].
Lets set the force pushing them together as Love, or L, the magnetic force as Society, or S, the electrical field to relative sexual preference, which we will call Preference, or P, the velocity to the encouragement from those around us to find love, or Bothering, which we'll call B, and the electric charge to Interest in love, or I.
To replace the old variables with our new ones: L = I(P+B*S). As we know from movie cliches, the influence of others has no effect on who we love, so B and S are 0. That gives us L=IP. And since the only time that the sign of P, or the 'straightness' or 'gayness', matters, is when S < 0, we can say L=I|P|.
Actually, I'm not sure that works.
Post by: Darvi on September 15, 2013, 03:32:55 pm
Post by: Max White on September 15, 2013, 03:41:29 pm
So I guess this amazing new theory would disprove gravity, as mass being alike to mass would cause it to repel? I mean if we are going to apply magnetic theory to things I think gravity is a lot more relevant than homosexuality.
Post by: Darvi on September 15, 2013, 03:48:13 pm
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Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 15, 2013, 04:08:55 pm
Did you just quantify love via an incredibly flawed physics/sociology/bullshit argument?It made sense before I started talking.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on September 16, 2013, 09:44:35 am
Gays, how do they work?
fabulously
sorry i had to
Post by: Darvi on September 16, 2013, 10:21:18 am
[This post has been blocked by the glorious empire of Mother Russia]DAMMIT.
Post by: Neonivek on September 16, 2013, 10:23:57 am
1) There are no unfit wild animals
and
2) Wild animals don't hurt themselves (such as during a sprint)
Here is the problem with the two statements. For the first one the unfit animals are dead. For the second yes animals totally hurt themselves.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on September 16, 2013, 10:29:00 am
On the radio tomorrowo.O
Post by: Darvi on September 16, 2013, 10:30:46 am
I should know, I'm from there too.
Post by: NobodyPro on September 16, 2013, 09:14:27 pm
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Why are AK47s so expensive?
Post by: Max White on September 16, 2013, 09:20:29 pm
Didn't you know? Neonivek is from the future.I'm from the present, and that is like being in yesterdays future, today!
I should know, I'm from there too.
Post by: Descan on September 16, 2013, 09:28:22 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on September 16, 2013, 09:28:45 pm
You can't be from the present, you're an Aussie. You guys live a day in the FUTURE.Didn't you know? Neonivek is from the future.I'm from the present, and that is like being in yesterdays future, today!
I should know, I'm from there too.
Post by: Frumple on September 16, 2013, 09:40:15 pm
Didn't you know? Neonivek is from the future.See, this is where I know you're lying. Neo's actually from Bizzaro Earth (this was established... a month ago? Something something sims medieval(?) something). I'd imagine what's going on with that is a time differential, not him being from our future. Maybe Bizzaro Earth has some kind of merlin effect going on where it ages backwards, or they just use tomorrow in the same sense we use yesterday. That'd actually kinda' fit, thinking on it... translation method slipping up and Neo forgetting to switch things around.
I should know, I'm from there too.
Post by: Helgoland on September 17, 2013, 05:48:11 am
I heard that in Rwanda they go for about the price of a chicken - two bucks.QuoteWhy are AK47s so expensive?
Post by: Gamerlord on September 17, 2013, 05:56:58 am
How much is ammo?I heard that in Rwanda they go for about the price of a chicken - two bucks.QuoteWhy are AK47s so expensive?
Post by: Helgoland on September 17, 2013, 06:23:11 am
Post by: Owlbread on September 17, 2013, 11:27:06 am
Post by: Neonivek on September 17, 2013, 11:31:51 am
Post by: Graknorke on September 17, 2013, 12:42:04 pm
Record for shortest time after the launch date to blame a game for a killing? I think so.
Post by: kaian-a-coel on September 17, 2013, 01:14:57 pm
Further on that point, antimateer is suspected of antigravity. Experiences are soon to be held (involving throwing antihydrogen horizontally and look which way it falls)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: SealyStar on September 17, 2013, 02:07:18 pm
http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/17/grand-theft-auto-v-fan-stabbed-and-robbed-for-new-game-in-colindale-4037561/Also
Record for shortest time after the launch date to blame a game for a killing? I think so.
Post by: ZetaX on September 17, 2013, 02:27:42 pm
Post by: kaian-a-coel on September 17, 2013, 03:03:50 pm
no, not negative mass, but negative weight. Slight difference.In that case, wouldn't antimatter have a negative mass, and therefore be capable of FTL speeds?Further on that point, antimateer is suspected of antigravity. Experiences are soon to be held (involving throwing antihydrogen horizontally and look which way it falls)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Descan on September 17, 2013, 03:59:49 pm
Post by: werty892 on September 17, 2013, 04:00:37 pm
Mathemagically.
I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT :O
Post by: Graknorke on September 17, 2013, 04:01:33 pm
It's already been done.Further on that point, antimateer is suspected of antigravity. Experiences are soon to be held (involving throwing antihydrogen horizontally and look which way it falls)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The results were something like antimatter is affected by gravity between -0.3 and 1.5 times the amount of regular matter. So not very conclusive at all.
Post by: Putnam on September 17, 2013, 04:04:56 pm
no, not negative mass, but negative weight. Slight difference.In that case, wouldn't antimatter have a negative mass, and therefore be capable of FTL speeds?Further on that point, antimateer is suspected of antigravity. Experiences are soon to be held (involving throwing antihydrogen horizontally and look which way it falls)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
There is 0 indication that antimatter has antigravity. Some (such as William Hicks) suspected that it had negative weight... in the 1880s, before relativity was discovered. Relativity has made the idea of antimatter having antigravity all but useless to consider except as a wild hope.
Almost all arguments of logic and physics both point to antimatter reacting normally to gravity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_interaction_of_antimatter) The only reason that we're even experimenting is that it hasn't been proven.
Post by: kaian-a-coel on September 17, 2013, 04:13:51 pm
It's already been done.Oh yeah, I knew that but I forgot. ::)
The results were something like antimatter is affected by gravity between -0.3 and 1.5 times the amount of regular matter. So not very conclusive at all.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on September 17, 2013, 05:39:37 pm
Post by: Dutchling on September 17, 2013, 05:41:33 pm
My brain can't even begin to handle this level of stupid. (http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jaden-smith-if-everyone-dropped-out-of-school-society-would-be-more-intelligent-2013169)I don't care what he said, but that face. I want to punch it so hard D:
Post by: werty892 on September 17, 2013, 05:43:12 pm
My brain can't even begin to handle this level of stupid. (http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jaden-smith-if-everyone-dropped-out-of-school-society-would-be-more-intelligent-2013169).....
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 17, 2013, 05:48:27 pm
My brain can't even begin to handle this level of stupid. (http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jaden-smith-if-everyone-dropped-out-of-school-society-would-be-more-intelligent-2013169)Wut.
Post by: kaijyuu on September 17, 2013, 06:02:35 pm
Post by: Putnam on September 17, 2013, 07:09:38 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 17, 2013, 07:14:33 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 17, 2013, 07:15:44 pm
Post by: Darvi on September 17, 2013, 07:18:28 pm
Post by: Putnam on September 17, 2013, 07:18:40 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 17, 2013, 07:20:53 pm
You don't know that. I could secretly be Joe Biden for all you know.That is true. That said, you are as likely to be Jill Biden as you are to be Joe Biden.
That also said, you are most likely male and around 19. Which means you are not Joe or Jill Biden.
You certainly couldn't. I know that because I am Joe Biden.And you are probably a 23 year old male.
QED, I am Joe Biden.
Edit: Look! I'm 70!
Post by: Darvi on September 17, 2013, 07:25:47 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 17, 2013, 07:29:33 pm
Liar, you're 71!Stupid forum number entering. I meant 011, not 01!
Post by: SealyStar on September 17, 2013, 07:46:54 pm
My brain can't even begin to handle this level of stupid. (http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jaden-smith-if-everyone-dropped-out-of-school-society-would-be-more-intelligent-2013169)Damn, I was beginning to like Jaden for his flabbergasted expression at the VMAs with the rest of his family
Post by: frostshotgg on September 17, 2013, 08:00:17 pm
Post by: Helgoland on September 18, 2013, 03:52:43 am
Post by: miauw62 on September 18, 2013, 05:38:54 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 18, 2013, 05:48:51 am
Post by: NobodyPro on September 18, 2013, 07:44:23 am
Some guy on YouTube is saying that 90% of PC gamers pirate "in his experience" and that porting GTA V would cause immense losses.Well I pirated GTAIV...
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Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 18, 2013, 10:43:39 am
One does not simply experience the activities of 90% of PC Gamers.
Hey, have some tolerance. He could be an eldritch abomination. You don't know how far his terrible mind-tentacles spread.
Post by: MaximumZero on September 18, 2013, 10:46:40 am
Right then, moving on.
Post by: miauw62 on September 18, 2013, 10:48:48 am
Yours works too, tough :P
Post by: Neonivek on September 18, 2013, 10:49:06 am
Some guy on YouTube is saying that 90% of PC gamers pirate "in his experience" and that porting GTA V would cause immense losses.
Well... Even if what he says is true... He should be aware that a lot of pirates BUY the games that they pirate. In fact assuming he is right, how do other PC games make cash?
Post by: Darvi on September 18, 2013, 11:32:51 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 18, 2013, 12:58:50 pm
Post by: miauw62 on September 18, 2013, 02:00:16 pm
Do they even have DRM?
Post by: SealyStar on September 18, 2013, 02:11:12 pm
GTA isn't particularly famous for being DRM-heavy.I hope not, mostly because of how ironic DRM on a game about stealing shit and committing crimes would be.
Do they even have DRM?
Post by: Putnam on September 18, 2013, 02:29:06 pm
GTA isn't particularly famous for being DRM-heavy.
Do they even have DRM?
GTA IV had Games for Windows Live.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on September 18, 2013, 02:34:53 pm
Post by: IronTomato on September 20, 2013, 09:43:25 am
Where there's smoke there's flamers.
On topic: Apparently mum was watching some talk show when there was a mother who basically said "I've been abusing my daughter since she was two, please help me." They gave the father crap for apparently not doing anything to stop her, but they didn't speak to the mother at all, which was a wicked pisser for me.
Post by: werty892 on September 20, 2013, 10:09:27 am
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Is Iraq part of the middle east?
BASIC GEOGRAPHY. WHY.
Post by: Neonivek on September 20, 2013, 10:17:08 am
On topic: Apparently mum was watching some talk show when there was a mother who basically said "I've been abusing my daughter since she was two, please help me." They gave the father crap for apparently not doing anything to stop her, but they didn't speak to the mother at all, which was a wicked pisser for me.
Well do they chew mothers out for not stopping the abusive father?
I mean if it is equal opportunity abuse. Assuming that was the stupid.
Err wait... *reads closer and the "didn't speak to the mother at all part*
Uhhh... Nevermind then... that would have been stupid either way. Even if it was just to go over the problem with her.
Post by: Graknorke on September 20, 2013, 10:30:00 am
Post by: Neonivek on September 20, 2013, 10:32:43 am
Talk shows in general are stupid. They never actually solve problems.
I loathe the ones that are made to make the problem worse.
It is sort of why I dislike the show Cheaters. Not because they catch cheaters but because the way the show is set up you know they are trying to capitalize on the drama of the victim...
And that is as far as I'll go since this is a getting off topic.
Post by: SealyStar on September 21, 2013, 08:48:31 am
I think someone at some point basically proved that chart was a joke.I know this is old, but still. How can I be less privileged for being a latino? That's kind of racist.Its basically a scoreboard for how disadvantaged you have. Except that if you analyze it even a little, you'll realize that the numbers make no sense. Blind is three times worse than paralyzed, being Muslim makes you less privileged even if you live in the Middle East, being very short apparently puts you at a net disadvantage even if you're rich, ect.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this was meant seriously.
So how many points do you gain for misspelling "Austist" and how do you qualify for a height of Manly Tears?
Gee, I feel (more? Less? "You're a teacher? Cool, I'm a technology!") privileged for having read that.
As for being less privileged for being Latino, it has to do with theoretical societal attitudes toward a person. So if you're Latino, the idea is that people are less accepting of you than if you weren't. I sort of get the idea, but, yes, it does border on racist in itself at times. It's all a part of Tumblr's sophisticated-to-the-point-of-incomprehensibility privilege ranking system.
Post by: Gamerlord on September 21, 2013, 08:52:04 am
I think on Tumblr the lower you are on that 'privilege ranking system' the higher you are in the pecking order. Kinda fucking weird.I think someone at some point basically proved that chart was a joke.I know this is old, but still. How can I be less privileged for being a latino? That's kind of racist.Its basically a scoreboard for how disadvantaged you have. Except that if you analyze it even a little, you'll realize that the numbers make no sense. Blind is three times worse than paralyzed, being Muslim makes you less privileged even if you live in the Middle East, being very short apparently puts you at a net disadvantage even if you're rich, ect.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this was meant seriously.
So how many points do you gain for misspelling "Austist" and how do you qualify for a height of Manly Tears?
Gee, I feel (more? Less? "You're a teacher? Cool, I'm a technology!") privileged for having read that.
As for being less privileged for being Latino, it has to do with theoretical societal attitudes toward a person. So if you're Latino, the idea is that people are less accepting of you than if you weren't. I sort of get the idea, but, yes, it does border on racist in itself at times. It's all a part of Tumblr's sophisticated-to-the-point-of-incomprehensibility privilege ranking system.
Post by: SealyStar on September 21, 2013, 09:03:33 am
Of course. Spot on.I think on Tumblr the lower you are on that 'privilege ranking system' the higher you are in the pecking order. Kinda fucking weird.I think someone at some point basically proved that chart was a joke.I know this is old, but still. How can I be less privileged for being a latino? That's kind of racist.Its basically a scoreboard for how disadvantaged you have. Except that if you analyze it even a little, you'll realize that the numbers make no sense. Blind is three times worse than paralyzed, being Muslim makes you less privileged even if you live in the Middle East, being very short apparently puts you at a net disadvantage even if you're rich, ect.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this was meant seriously.
So how many points do you gain for misspelling "Austist" and how do you qualify for a height of Manly Tears?
Gee, I feel (more? Less? "You're a teacher? Cool, I'm a technology!") privileged for having read that.
As for being less privileged for being Latino, it has to do with theoretical societal attitudes toward a person. So if you're Latino, the idea is that people are less accepting of you than if you weren't. I sort of get the idea, but, yes, it does border on racist in itself at times. It's all a part of Tumblr's sophisticated-to-the-point-of-incomprehensibility privilege ranking system.
So a superrich1 highly attractive tall athletic white cisgender heterosexual Swedish Jewish investment banker doing this on Sunday or a weeknight and capable of adding will inevitably get lynched on Tumblr.2
But a disfigured, fat, ugly-faced homeless diseased autistic deaf blind paralyzed retarded gay black Middle Eastern3 intersex transgender Muslim scientist of "dodger" height (whatever that means) doing this on Saturday night and incapable of basic math would in theory4 run the town.
1. This is for a point that we already discussed, that the chart lists "plutocrat" at $1 trillion, while literally no one on Earth has that much money. So I'm substituting the imprecise "superrich" to give the same idea.
2. Ironically this essentially describes, minus the Swedish part, a good number of the lesser celebrities whom other Tumblrites worship.
3. Actually, were this person to live in the Middle East, their life would be tremendously difficult. I'll give them that.
4. I think there's a Tumblr out there by a person like this, but I can't be bothered to find out.
Post by: Dutchling on September 21, 2013, 09:18:57 am
Post by: SealyStar on September 21, 2013, 09:20:28 am
There's no such thing as a fat butterface though :vThat's true. Butterface would be the wrong term. I'll edit.
Post by: miauw62 on September 21, 2013, 11:11:41 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 21, 2013, 11:15:52 am
To be honest, the mental image of a bunch of cables coming down from a treehouse is rather amusing.I dunno, I think Satellite internet might be more beneficial. Altitude gives a better connection.
Edit: On a side note, I recently learned we had a "colony*" there.
*Basically, an agreement with the Guatemalan government where we got some jungle they weren't using, and agreed to develop it for them. It went terribly wrong.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 21, 2013, 11:43:05 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 21, 2013, 12:28:54 pm
Belgian colonies have a history of that sort of thing.We didn't decimate the indigenous that time. We sent our own poor people and petty thieves.
Post by: frostshotgg on September 21, 2013, 02:14:54 pm
Post by: Redzephyr01 on September 21, 2013, 08:25:18 pm
I can't even describe how dumb this is.
Post by: Iceblaster on September 21, 2013, 08:30:44 pm
http://black-cat16-stamps.deviantart.com/art/Support-401837481
I can't even describe how dumb this is.
I swear the internet is a fucking melting pot of idiocy.
Apologies for the unneeded swearing, but goddamnit I will use my freedom of speech if it helps me get across my anger :P
In all seriousness though, it feels like this guyjust thinks that anyone who is not perfect is to be cut and let suffer for the way they were born.
I may be over exaggerating my anger, but I've not seen idiocy of this degree elsewhere.
Post by: Oliolli on September 22, 2013, 02:03:42 am
http://black-cat16-stamps.deviantart.com/art/Support-401837481
I can't even describe how dumb this is.
I swear the internet is a fucking melting pot of idiocy.
Apologies for the unneeded swearing, but goddamnit I will use my freedom of speech if it helps me get across my anger :P
In all seriousness though, it feels like this guyjust thinks that anyone who is not perfect is to be cut and let suffer for the way they were born.
I may be over exaggerating my anger, but I've not seen idiocy of this degree elsewhere.
True. I guess he loved his Eugenics 101 classes...
Post by: Mephansteras on September 23, 2013, 04:04:47 pm
Random New Person: What's the fastest way to get around
Helpful Person: LGV (basically a motorcycle)
Stupid person: LGVs suck. I can get around everywhere faster by walking or gliding
Stupid person: Except for some major roads
Me: It is a bit situational, but LGVs are often the fastest way to across the map.
Stupid person: Only if you're a Stupid Monkey who can't understand reality (He really did use the phrase Stupid Monkey, capitalized like that)
Me: They're rarely the fastest for going mission to mission, but for pure travel they're the best way to get around the map
Stupid person: Like I said, if you're a **** Monkey who ignores reality.
He then decides to put me on his ignore list. I do the same for him, because I really don't want to hear this guy talk.
I mean...I get having differing opinions on things. And I get thinking that the LGVs aren't worth the cost. But...you can demonstrate how fast they are. They really ARE one of the fastest ways to get around. But apparently anyone who disagrees with his version of things is some sort of degenerate who doesn't understand reality? I...just don't get it.
Post by: SealyStar on September 23, 2013, 04:33:04 pm
To be honest, the mental image of a bunch of cables coming down from a treehouse is rather amusing.It doesn't have to be mental anymore!
(http://i.imgur.com/GWn8siU.png)
Post by: Flying Dice on September 23, 2013, 07:28:39 pm
An outhouse that drops onto a steep hill, fitted with a computer and internet connection. What more do you need?That actually kind of looks like a nice place to live in!To be honest, the mental image of a bunch of cables coming down from a treehouse is rather amusing.It doesn't have to be mental anymore!
(http://i.imgur.com/GWn8siU.png)
Post by: Sirus on September 23, 2013, 08:47:55 pm
Food?An outhouse that drops onto a steep hill, fitted with a computer and internet connection. What more do you need?That actually kind of looks like a nice place to live in!To be honest, the mental image of a bunch of cables coming down from a treehouse is rather amusing.It doesn't have to be mental anymore!
(http://i.imgur.com/GWn8siU.png)
Post by: Frumple on September 23, 2013, 08:51:33 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on September 23, 2013, 09:03:03 pm
To be honest, the mental image of a bunch of cables coming down from a treehouse is rather amusing.It doesn't have to be mental anymore!
(http://i.imgur.com/GWn8siU.png)
Can I sig this? It seems like it's begging for a sig.
Post by: SealyStar on September 23, 2013, 09:36:08 pm
Sure :PTo be honest, the mental image of a bunch of cables coming down from a treehouse is rather amusing.It doesn't have to be mental anymore!
(http://i.imgur.com/GWn8siU.png)
Can I sig this? It seems like it's begging for a sig.
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2013, 01:46:56 pm
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Fire is the next form of matter above gas, known as plasma, which is why it is a glowing red and yellow color, or blue color. Havent you ever wondered what fire was? Why it is red but in a specific shape and moves around, its not a solid, liquid, or gas, its plasma. Plasma is described as basically a gas thats molecules have so much energy that they become another form of matter, like fire and lightning.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 29, 2013, 02:04:55 pm
To be fair, lightning forms plasma.QuoteFire is the next form of matter above gas, known as plasma, which is why it is a glowing red and yellow color, or blue color. Havent you ever wondered what fire was? Why it is red but in a specific shape and moves around, its not a solid, liquid, or gas, its plasma. Plasma is described as basically a gas thats molecules have so much energy that they become another form of matter, like fire and lightning.
Post by: miauw62 on September 29, 2013, 02:08:42 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on September 29, 2013, 02:12:28 pm
Post by: kaian-a-coel on September 29, 2013, 02:44:17 pm
Hell, if not, what IS it?
Post by: Darvi on September 29, 2013, 02:46:56 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 29, 2013, 02:51:39 pm
Glowing particles in the gas that gets produced by the heat.Well, technically, it's radiation produced by an oxidation process.
Post by: Darvi on September 29, 2013, 02:55:20 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 29, 2013, 03:20:37 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2013, 04:37:03 pm
Glowing particles in the gas that gets produced by the heat.Well, technically, it's radiation produced by an oxidation process.
If we expand the definition of fire, also radiation emitted by nuclear fusion/fission.I don't understand how you get from oxidation to nuclear radiation.
Post by: Darvi on September 29, 2013, 04:38:14 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on September 29, 2013, 05:16:32 pm
Post by: Squill on September 29, 2013, 05:36:49 pm
Lightning is plasma? How can you even think that? Just... STUPID.QuoteFire is the next form of matter above gas, known as plasma, which is why it is a glowing red and yellow color, or blue color. Havent you ever wondered what fire was? Why it is red but in a specific shape and moves around, its not a solid, liquid, or gas, its plasma. Plasma is described as basically a gas thats molecules have so much energy that they become another form of matter, like fire and lightning.
I've seriously known since like 5th grade that lightning forms plasma by heating up the air.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on September 29, 2013, 05:42:35 pm
I've seriously known since like 5th grade that lightning forms plasma by heating up the air.If "lightning" refers to the thing we see in the sky, then it is in fact plasma formed by electrical discharges.
Post by: Darvi on September 29, 2013, 06:14:12 pm
What do stars have to do with oxidation?Nothing, but they're made of stuff that could be construed to be fire.
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2013, 06:21:22 pm
...no not really?What do stars have to do with oxidation?Nothing, but they're made of stuff that could be construed to be fire.
The 'gas emitting radiation due to being heated by oxidation' does not include stars at all.
Post by: Darvi on September 29, 2013, 06:23:43 pm
If we expand the definition of fire, also radiation emitted by nuclear fusion/fission.instead of
Also radiation emitted by nuclear fusion/fission.
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2013, 06:29:35 pm
Post by: Darvi on September 29, 2013, 06:31:11 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2013, 06:32:43 pm
Because when people think stars, they think a)pointy decahedrons, b)fuckhuge balls of fire, and/or c) celebrities.Who are 'people'?
Because I certainly don't. And I'm pretty sure the majority of people in this thread don't.
Post by: Darvi on September 29, 2013, 06:35:45 pm
And no, I don't know if the latter is made by oxidation either.
Post by: Graknorke on October 02, 2013, 10:47:05 am
Death threats again? Come on they can't think they actually have a chance with a member of a boyband who is also a millionaire.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 02, 2013, 02:53:44 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 02, 2013, 03:25:09 pm
1Divs never fail to dissappoint. (http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/01/harry-styless-latest-rumoured-girlfriend-paige-reifler-suffers-one-direction-fan-abuse-4129987/)How many people have the Directioners collectively threatened to kill at this point? Gotta be around a dozen.
Death threats again? Come on they can't think they actually have a chance with a member of a boyband who is also a millionaire.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on October 02, 2013, 07:38:15 pm
http://25.media.tumblr.com/5726dd327cce0d43f6a21a831c0f7ad8/tumblr_mmxc1fmmOg1ryeto5o1_500.png
Not sure if trolling, or the dumbest person ever.
Post by: Steelmagic on October 02, 2013, 07:42:52 pm
I think I may have found the absolute dumbest thing in the universe.I'm going to say troll. Mostly because i refuse to believe that somebody not only writes all of that, but they can't even spell women.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/5726dd327cce0d43f6a21a831c0f7ad8/tumblr_mmxc1fmmOg1ryeto5o1_500.png
Not sure if trolling, or the dumbest person ever.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 02, 2013, 07:45:10 pm
The "anti-PIV" crusaders are a real thing on Tumblr as well.
Post by: Sirus on October 02, 2013, 07:48:10 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 02, 2013, 07:49:09 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 02, 2013, 07:51:57 pm
Quote from: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/were+man
Usage Note: Traditionally, many writers have used man and words derived from it to designate any or all of the human race regardless of sex. In fact, this is the oldest use of the word. In Old English the principal sense of man was "a human," and the words wer and wyf (or wćpman and wifman) were used to refer to "a male human" and "a female human" respectively. But in Middle English man displaced wer as the term for "a male human," while wyfman (which evolved into present-day woman) was retained for "a female human." Despite this change, man continued to carry its original sense of "a human" as well, resulting in an asymmetrical arrangement that many criticize as sexist. · Nonetheless, a majority of the Usage Panel still accepts the generic use of man, although the women members have significantly less enthusiasm for this usage than the men do.
Post by: SealyStar on October 02, 2013, 08:29:32 pm
Looks like "womon" is the singular form, "womyn" is the plural.I prefer to use "hu˙mmůn" for the singular and "huümmîn" for the plural. The hu's are pronounced as in Spanish.
On the other hand, they would lambast that both because I'm "appropriating the Hispanic culture" and because Spanish has grammatical gender and is thus cishetpatriarchal in every way, even the way they represent /w/.
(Áh, Ě lővę thé ŰS-Íntčrnătďônŕl këyboârd sčttíng sö müçh)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 02, 2013, 08:34:34 pm
(Áh, Ě lővę thé ŰS-Íntčrnătďônŕl këyboârd sčttíng sö müçh)Apparently, you are speaking Vietnamese. (http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%C3%81h%2C%20%C3%8C%20l%C3%B5v%C3%AA%20th%C3%A9%20%C3%9BS-%C3%8Dnt%C3%A8rn%C3%A3t%C3%AF%C3%B4n%C3%A0l%20k%C3%ABybo%C3%A2rd%20s%C3%A8tt%C3%ADng%20s%C3%B6%20m%C3%BC%C3%A7h) (Hit the listen button, do it.)
Post by: Sensei on October 02, 2013, 08:56:12 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on October 03, 2013, 04:53:15 pm
Geez... nothing weirder than Google trying say "umlaut" and "circumflex" in a vietnamese accent.I don't trust Google Translate.
It's ability to recognize proper grammar is horrendous.
At least with Scandinavian languages.
Post by: Descan on October 03, 2013, 05:09:01 pm
Just means you can't translate into something you don't understand without possibly making a faux pas. I mean, by the same token that you can (generally) understand the translation into English, means that the person on the receiving end can also probably understand whatever translation Google gives you. Just, you have no idea if you sound like this guy (http://youtu.be/G6D1YI-41ao) or not.
Post by: SealyStar on October 03, 2013, 05:24:36 pm
Its Latin is also hilariously bad. It seems to translate every noun into the accusative or dative case, every verb into the infinitive or first-person singular (both present tense), and routinely fucks up the gender of words.Geez... nothing weirder than Google trying say "umlaut" and "circumflex" in a vietnamese accent.I don't trust Google Translate.
It's ability to recognize proper grammar is horrendous.
At least with Scandinavian languages.
Post by: Descan on October 03, 2013, 05:30:47 pm
"GOOGLE IS TRANSPHOBIC! GENDER ENFORCER!"
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Graknorke on October 03, 2013, 05:32:42 pm
The logic takes a big leap from "That toddler has no sense of boundries" to "That toddler is a rapist".
EDIT: Tumblr ninja'd?
Post by: Helgoland on October 03, 2013, 06:15:29 pm
Post by: Dutchling on October 03, 2013, 06:16:39 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 03, 2013, 06:37:39 pm
Also, I read that URL as "Fucking Grape Culture" at first.
Post by: Graknorke on October 03, 2013, 06:39:09 pm
I do agree he was being a bit of a cunt though.That's kind of standard for toddlers though. Being basically tiny sociopaths.
Post by: Xantalos on October 03, 2013, 08:29:15 pm
Yeah, all kids under 2 are clinical sociopaths.I do agree he was being a bit of a cunt though.That's kind of standard for toddlers though. Being basically tiny sociopaths.
Post by: Xantalos on October 03, 2013, 08:34:48 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on October 03, 2013, 09:47:30 pm
I hated children already, Xantalos just reaffirms that once in a while :PXantalos: Ruining your point of view on toddlers since 1957!Yeah, all kids under 2 are clinical sociopaths.I do agree he was being a bit of a cunt though.That's kind of standard for toddlers though. Being basically tiny sociopaths.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on October 03, 2013, 10:05:11 pm
FTFY.Yeah, all kids under 2 are clinical sociopaths who eat and poop a lot.I do agree he was being a bit of a cunt though.That's kind of standard for toddlers though. Being basically tiny sociopaths.
Post by: kaenneth on October 03, 2013, 11:36:48 pm
http://thisisrapeculture.tumblr.com/post/55058370805/fuckingrapeculture-facebooksexism
The logic takes a big leap from "That toddler has no sense of boundries" to "That toddler is a rapist".
EDIT: Tumblr ninja'd?
How about the assumption that the child in blue is a boy? sexist much?
Post by: Max White on October 03, 2013, 11:40:41 pm
Post by: Descan on October 03, 2013, 11:42:35 pm
Post by: Max White on October 03, 2013, 11:43:21 pm
Post by: Descan on October 03, 2013, 11:44:43 pm
Post by: Max White on October 03, 2013, 11:47:39 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 04, 2013, 12:01:15 am
Well it is a bit hot lately in Canada, so dunno about "unheated". S'almost Halloween and we're still in the twenties! I can bike to school with a t-shirt on! What savagery.
Oh yeah? Well it's SEVENTY* here! How's that for hot?
*Obviously degrees Farenheit, in Celsius that would be near boiling, dear god.
Post by: Descan on October 04, 2013, 12:14:47 am
... Well, except for the part where I'm talking in Fahrenheit. >_>
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 04, 2013, 12:36:10 am
Post by: RedKing on October 04, 2013, 12:41:19 am
Fuck your "autumn", we have two seasons -- Ohfuckitshot and Goddamnitwhenisitgoingtogetwarmagain.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 04, 2013, 12:49:44 am
Post by: frostshotgg on October 04, 2013, 01:57:12 am
Post by: Max White on October 04, 2013, 03:58:41 am
Post by: Putnam on October 04, 2013, 04:01:48 am
The fuck's weather doing here?
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 04, 2013, 05:05:43 am
Mud everywhere and rain on everything x2. DEAR GOD IT'S HOT OUTSIDE TODAY. (Also known as when it's hotter than 60 degrees, :P) And Hey, it's pretty nice outside! (This is referring to when it is 30 degrees and below.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 04, 2013, 06:18:43 am
Post by: Xantalos on October 04, 2013, 06:20:58 am
Winter:Rain
Spring:Rain
Fall:Rain
Summer:Sun for 3 days, then rain
Post by: Mephisto on October 04, 2013, 07:56:53 am
Post by: Iceblaster on October 04, 2013, 08:23:30 am
Here in Georgia we have "rain please stop" x3 and spring.
I know right?
Post by: Owlbread on October 04, 2013, 09:31:52 am
It was always horrible going to school in the morning as a child in the dark, all the trees bare and slippy, wet dead leaves on the ground with freezing hands. In November or so.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 04, 2013, 11:32:49 am
Post by: kaian-a-coel on October 04, 2013, 11:59:27 am
Rain.
But there is a proverb here saying "it's raining only on [insert insult]" (I don't think there's an english equivalent to the name we use. "douche" is pretty close).
It mostly shows a disdain for strangers regarding stereotypes too seriously. In all honesty it doesnt rain THAT much, albeit it's never really summer (except for two weeks in august), and most of the rain is really light, so after three months living here you go from "It wont stop raining! the ground never dries!" to "It pretty much never rain. That? Nooooo that's not rain, just wet air."
Post by: vagel7 on October 04, 2013, 12:00:26 pm
Post by: sjm9876 on October 04, 2013, 12:13:46 pm
Brittany (Small Britain) is famous in France for its climate:I can see where the name comes from. Here in Northern England, when a poncy southerner comes up and moans about the rain, there's usually a number of people wandering about in shorts and sandals. Me included.
Rain.
But there is a proverb here saying "it's raining only on [insert insult]" (I don't think there's an english equivalent to the name we use. "douche" is pretty close).
It mostly shows a disdain for strangers regarding stereotypes too seriously. In all honesty it doesnt rain THAT much, albeit it's never really summer (except for two weeks in august), and most of the rain is really light, so after three months living here you go from "It wont stop raining! the ground never dries!" to "It pretty much never rain. That? Nooooo that's not rain, just wet air."
Post by: RedKing on October 04, 2013, 12:25:13 pm
We also get hurricanes, better known as IT'S RAINING SIDEWAYS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgNoY3MqpZg)
Incidentally, our reactions to inclement weather may vary:
Hurricanes (anything below a Category 3):
Spoiler: Meh. Stock up on beer and plywood. (click to show/hide)
Forecast of 1 inch of snow:
Spoiler: OH MY GOD BUY ALL THE FOOD! WE MAY HAVE TO EAT OUR YOUNG TO SURVIVE! (click to show/hide)
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 04, 2013, 12:31:58 pm
We have 3 basic 'seasons' in San Diego. Cold and Rainy, Blistering Hot, and Really Rather Nice. The first two occur in small doses, with CR usually showing up in winter and BH usually saving itself for September. But it varies a lot depending on the year.Another San Diegan! That's cool.
Of course, cold is relative, meaning below 60.
Post by: Rose on October 04, 2013, 12:33:46 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 04, 2013, 12:36:19 pm
The Catholic Church actually recognizes thatI do agree he was being a bit of a cunt though.That's kind of standard for toddlers though. Being basically tiny sociopaths.
The mom of a friend of mine is convinced that Steam games asking you what size monitor you have, how fast your processor is, and how fast your internet is means that they are collecting metadata to sell to Big Brother. I mean, they do sell metadata on what games you buy, but that doesn't really fit her definition because they would know what they sold you even if they never asked you anything or even if you never had to actually install anything.
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 04, 2013, 12:46:45 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 04, 2013, 12:55:10 pm
In Malaysia - monsoon season, I have never seen anything like it before.
Take one step out of shelter and one step in, you've just come out of a vertical ocean from the sky.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 04, 2013, 01:11:34 pm
Am I the only one here who lives in a place where winter is filled with snow storms and shinbone deep snow?Shin bone deep snow is a very mild winter in Michigan.
Post by: vagel7 on October 04, 2013, 01:49:38 pm
Summer is 20C to 30C.(68F and 86F respectively)
Post by: Owlbread on October 04, 2013, 01:53:39 pm
Ah, you guys with your extreme seasonal weather differences. In Wales, it lightly rains. Always.
Wales is without a doubt the wettest place I have ever been to. It's lovely but my god you'd need to be wrung out in one of those mangle things.
Post by: wierd on October 04, 2013, 01:56:31 pm
Post by: Descan on October 04, 2013, 02:28:53 pm
Post by: Graknorke on October 04, 2013, 02:30:11 pm
It's all them mountains. The Lake District is slightly less, but comparably, moist.Ah, you guys with your extreme seasonal weather differences. In Wales, it lightly rains. Always.Wales is without a doubt the wettest place I have ever been to. It's lovely but my god you'd need to be wrung out in one of those mangle things.
Post by: Graknorke on October 05, 2013, 01:22:09 am
https://www.youtube.com/user/l1011l/discussionApparently Islam as a unified entity sided with the nazis in WWII. You know. The political group who were white-supremacists, strongly Christian, and intolerant of people who didn't fit either of those.
I don't need to explain this. The guy is either a parody or a moron.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 05, 2013, 01:25:30 am
Though to be fair, that failed in the face of geopolitical realities, most clearly with their alliance with Japan.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 05, 2013, 04:01:36 am
The political group who were white-supremacists, strongly Christian, and intolerant of people who didn't fit either of those.Intolerant up until you fought for them. They started compromising once the entire world was against them.
Post by: Helgoland on October 05, 2013, 06:06:31 am
And they had a soft spot for that "obedience" stuff Islam does - I could search for the Goebbels quote, but I've done that sort of thing far too frequently before :PThe political group who were white-supremacists, strongly Christian, and intolerant of people who didn't fit either of those.Intolerant up until you fought for them. They started compromising once the entire world was against them.
Post by: miauw62 on October 05, 2013, 06:30:03 am
Post by: LordSlowpoke on October 05, 2013, 06:30:34 am
Still, by that logic we should nuke Japan because they sided with the nazis 75 years ago. And Italy. And Germany.
i believe you are forgetting something
Post by: miauw62 on October 05, 2013, 06:37:25 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 05, 2013, 06:43:25 am
Post by: SealyStar on October 05, 2013, 09:29:33 am
Occasionally, we get storms with greenish-black clouds and purple lightning. That's when you know shit's about to get REAL.In Michigan we have this thing about tornadoes.
We also get hurricanes, better known as IT'S RAINING SIDEWAYS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgNoY3MqpZg)
Incidentally, our reactions to inclement weather may vary:
Hurricanes (anything below a Category 3):Spoiler: Meh. Stock up on beer and plywood. (click to show/hide)
Forecast of 1 inch of snow:Spoiler: OH MY GOD BUY ALL THE FOOD! WE MAY HAVE TO EAT OUR YOUNG TO SURVIVE! (click to show/hide)
Blizzard? Just turn on the heater and get out the shovel.
Lethal heat wave? Turn on the AC and go to the pool, pussy.
Rainstorm of Noahic proportions? This doesn't even merit action.
1% chance of small tornado coming within 100 miles of your town? SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING DUCK AND COVER IN BASEMENT WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
Post by: Graknorke on October 07, 2013, 01:37:12 am
Spoiler: You were warned (click to show/hide)
Post by: Steelmagic on October 07, 2013, 01:40:28 am
Sweet fucking lord. Just... the stupid contained in the quote below may be weapons=grade quality. Do not read it if you are either having a bad day or don't want to ruin a previously good day.I had to triple check just to make sure i was reading that right. Why. Just why.Spoiler: You were warned (click to show/hide)
Post by: Oliolli on October 07, 2013, 02:32:13 am
At least now if I fail the test I have today I'll know to blame the IQ drop from that quote...
Post by: Lich180 on October 07, 2013, 07:38:14 am
In Michigan we have this thing about tornadoes.
Blizzard? Just turn on the heater and get out the shovel.
Lethal heat wave? Turn on the AC and go to the pool, pussy.
Rainstorm of Noahic proportions? This doesn't even merit action.
1% chance of small tornado coming within 100 miles of your town? SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING DUCK AND COVER IN BASEMENT WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
I second this. I grew up in Texas, where only snow/ice scares you, because no one has a clue how to deal with 1/128th of an inch of snow on the ground, and go sliding all over playing bumper cars with their dual exhaust, lifted 4x4 trucks.
Move to Michigan, and every single time there is the slightest gust of wind during a thunderstorm my in-laws run and hide in the basement, while I stand on the porch under the eaves and enjoy the storm and attempt to explain how there is NO WAY a tornado will hit us, being in a big valley where tornadoes are rarer than a blue moon.
Post by: Helgoland on October 07, 2013, 07:41:25 am
Post by: Darvi on October 07, 2013, 08:20:10 am
Post by: Iceblaster on October 07, 2013, 08:47:39 am
Anyway, I'm sure those wacky English people* had a good reason :P
*I mean all of this in a joking manner
Post by: scriver on October 07, 2013, 10:34:54 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 07, 2013, 12:14:52 pm
Fyras?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 07, 2013, 12:26:53 pm
Italian trains?There are other shitty Italian trains. Though well, the Phyra kinda beat them in uselessness. Spontanously igniting is not considered a good thing in a high-speed train.
Fyras?
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 07, 2013, 12:45:15 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 07, 2013, 03:23:49 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 07, 2013, 05:08:19 pm
Today, on Stupid Things, we have a special feature dramatic reading by Slowbeef. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqNGTJmqvQE)Oh man, the minute where it goes over the edge of the precipice... that was eerie yet glorious.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 08, 2013, 12:33:51 am
In Michigan we have this thing about tornadoes.
Blizzard? Just turn on the heater and get out the shovel.
Lethal heat wave? Turn on the AC and go to the pool, pussy.
Rainstorm of Noahic proportions? This doesn't even merit action.
1% chance of small tornado coming within 100 miles of your town? SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING DUCK AND COVER IN BASEMENT WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
I second this. I grew up in Texas, where only snow/ice scares you, because no one has a clue how to deal with 1/128th of an inch of snow on the ground, and go sliding all over playing bumper cars with their dual exhaust, lifted 4x4 trucks.
Move to Michigan, and every single time there is the slightest gust of wind during a thunderstorm my in-laws run and hide in the basement, while I stand on the porch under the eaves and enjoy the storm and attempt to explain how there is NO WAY a tornado will hit us, being in a big valley where tornadoes are rarer than a blue moon.
I live in Missouri. The people here are cowards about weather. ANY inclement weather and everyone FREAKS out and hides in a hole. Heavy rain? OH GOD, WE'RE GOING TO HYRDOPLANE AND DIE. Thunderstorm w/ wind? OH GOD, TORNADOS! (I like on the downslope of a hill that is one half of two hills forming a cove. If a tornado hit my home, it would be A DIRECT ACTION OF GOD.) Snow? SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.
Post by: misko27 on October 08, 2013, 12:49:50 am
Snow related side-track: Legally all New York Drivers have to learn how to drive through snow. It's because of upstate; Lake effect snow. Hell, according to Wikipedia the Area up there has the most snow of any non-mountainous region in the lower 48. There is the record of 77 inches (6ft 5, almost 2 meters) in a day, 100 inches over a week (2.5 meters) and a winter accumulation record of 39 feet. That is a lot of Snow.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 08, 2013, 10:55:47 am
Heh. Here in San Diego, one drop of rain hits the ground, and everyone freaks out. Either people start dancing in it, or refuse to drive in it. If there it so much as showers, everyone batons down the hatches and bundles up with blankets and hot chocolate.
In Michigan we have this thing about tornadoes.
Blizzard? Just turn on the heater and get out the shovel.
Lethal heat wave? Turn on the AC and go to the pool, pussy.
Rainstorm of Noahic proportions? This doesn't even merit action.
1% chance of small tornado coming within 100 miles of your town? SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING DUCK AND COVER IN BASEMENT WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
I second this. I grew up in Texas, where only snow/ice scares you, because no one has a clue how to deal with 1/128th of an inch of snow on the ground, and go sliding all over playing bumper cars with their dual exhaust, lifted 4x4 trucks.
Move to Michigan, and every single time there is the slightest gust of wind during a thunderstorm my in-laws run and hide in the basement, while I stand on the porch under the eaves and enjoy the storm and attempt to explain how there is NO WAY a tornado will hit us, being in a big valley where tornadoes are rarer than a blue moon.
I live in Missouri. The people here are cowards about weather. ANY inclement weather and everyone FREAKS out and hides in a hole. Heavy rain? OH GOD, WE'RE GOING TO HYRDOPLANE AND DIE. Thunderstorm w/ wind? OH GOD, TORNADOS! (I like on the downslope of a hill that is one half of two hills forming a cove. If a tornado hit my home, it would be A DIRECT ACTION OF GOD.) Snow? SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.
Post by: Graknorke on October 08, 2013, 11:17:32 am
What is this I don't even.
Post by: Oliolli on October 08, 2013, 02:33:23 pm
"Inequations are exactly the same as equations."
What is this I don't even.
X = Y --> X =/= Y
What part of that confuses you?
Post by: Iceblaster on October 08, 2013, 03:20:19 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on October 08, 2013, 03:53:00 pm
"Inequations are exactly the same as equations."I think he was saying they can be manipulated like equations.
What is this I don't even.
X^2 < Y^2 can be manipulated to X < Y just the same as X^2 = Y^2.
Post by: Dutchling on October 08, 2013, 04:13:11 pm
Just try it with 5 and -6.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 08, 2013, 05:36:56 pm
It's X < Y or X < -YX < ±Y.
Just try it with 5 and -6.
Post by: Helgoland on October 08, 2013, 05:43:21 pm
Not for X = Y = 0 :PIt's X < Y or X < -YX < ±Y.
Just try it with 5 and -6.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 08, 2013, 05:44:47 pm
Post by: Helgoland on October 08, 2013, 06:06:07 pm
But then the original inequality wouldn't be true.Yeah, it doesn't hold in all cases.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 08, 2013, 07:04:28 pm
I'd say they're the same in that they specify relations between variables. Obviously equalities are much more powerful in most systems, but they're the same mathematical thing."Inequations are exactly the same as equations."I think he was saying they can be manipulated like equations.
What is this I don't even.
X^2 < Y^2 can be manipulated to X < Y just the same as X^2 = Y^2.
Post by: Oliolli on October 08, 2013, 11:46:32 pm
X < |Y|It's X < Y or X < -YX < ±Y.
Just try it with 5 and -6.
Post by: kaian-a-coel on October 10, 2013, 03:58:54 am
You win a cookie.X < |Y|It's X < Y or X < -YX < ±Y.
Just try it with 5 and -6.
Inequalities are exactly the same as equations, with ONE exception: if you multiply by -1 (or -anything really), you reverse the sign of the inequation. That's pretty much all.
Post by: Darvi on October 10, 2013, 04:19:15 am
Post by: ZetaX on October 10, 2013, 06:09:26 am
Inequalities are exactly the same as equations, with ONE exception: if you multiply by -1 (or -anything really), you reverse the sign of the inequation. That's pretty much all.Sorry, but that's just plain wrong. Apart from several other exceptions you are missing (like division, power, ...), their behaviour is also different. They for example lack reflexivity which is probably the most often used property of equations. Also, inqualities are far less often defined than equalities, e.g. in polynomial rings or complex numbers.
Post by: Helgoland on October 10, 2013, 06:22:18 am
Yeah, you need an ordered field to have inequalities, but most people only ever use the real numbers - for all practical purposes, inequalities and equalities behave quite similarly. Think of it like this: X < Y <=> (\exists epsilon > 0 so that X = Y - epsilon). If you just run with that, you're golden ;)Inequalities are exactly the same as equations, with ONE exception: if you multiply by -1 (or -anything really), you reverse the sign of the inequation. That's pretty much all.Sorry, but that's just plain wrong. Apart from several other exceptions you are missing (like division, power, ...), their behaviour is also different. They for example lack reflexivity which is probably the most often used property of equations. Also, inqualities are far less often defined than equalities, e.g. in polynomial rings or complex numbers.
Post by: hops on October 10, 2013, 06:36:54 am
Post by: Helgoland on October 10, 2013, 06:40:46 am
Post by: Max White on October 10, 2013, 06:44:47 am
I find it a little bit sad that people are arguing over things that you're supposed to learn in schools.If we didn't argue about things we learnt in school people would still think Newtonian physics was any more than just a lenses we use to describe macro mechanical systems not operating at speeds approaching c. That isn't even to mention the primitive explanation of the atomic model given, or cellular meiosis, or the number plane. I mean really, you would swear non-euclidean geometry doesn't real!
Post by: ZetaX on October 10, 2013, 09:01:19 am
My main point wasn't even in the ordered field, but on exactly those "similiar" properties some of you mentioned. Those are as similar as an ape and a banana: they are obviously forms of life, have some interactions, but that's about it.Yeah, you need an ordered field to have inequalities, but most people only ever use the real numbers - for all practical purposes, inequalities and equalities behave quite similarly. Think of it like this: X < Y <=> (\exists epsilon > 0 so that X = Y - epsilon). If you just run with that, you're golden ;)Inequalities are exactly the same as equations, with ONE exception: if you multiply by -1 (or -anything really), you reverse the sign of the inequation. That's pretty much all.Sorry, but that's just plain wrong. Apart from several other exceptions you are missing (like division, power, ...), their behaviour is also different. They for example lack reflexivity which is probably the most often used property of equations. Also, inqualities are far less often defined than equalities, e.g. in polynomial rings or complex numbers.
Post by: Helgoland on October 10, 2013, 09:09:44 am
A banana and an ape are actually quite similar: The only differences - mobility, internal structure etc - are quite trivial when compared to the similarities - cell structure, DNA, region of occurence, being made from roughly the same compounds etc. It's a good example, actually: There are some obvious differences, but under the hood they work rather like each other.My main point wasn't even in the ordered field, but on exactly those "similiar" properties some of you mentioned. Those are as similar as an ape and a banana: they are obviously forms of life, have some interactions, but that's about it.Yeah, you need an ordered field to have inequalities, but most people only ever use the real numbers - for all practical purposes, inequalities and equalities behave quite similarly. Think of it like this: X < Y <=> (\exists epsilon > 0 so that X = Y - epsilon). If you just run with that, you're golden ;)Inequalities are exactly the same as equations, with ONE exception: if you multiply by -1 (or -anything really), you reverse the sign of the inequation. That's pretty much all.Sorry, but that's just plain wrong. Apart from several other exceptions you are missing (like division, power, ...), their behaviour is also different. They for example lack reflexivity which is probably the most often used property of equations. Also, inqualities are far less often defined than equalities, e.g. in polynomial rings or complex numbers.
Post by: ZetaX on October 10, 2013, 09:44:52 am
Post by: Helgoland on October 10, 2013, 10:23:24 am
Those differences are far from trivial. By your reasoning, all mathematical objects (in the sense of ZFC) are the same for sharing the evry same axioms. Additionally, you were talking about how they work; when was the last time you saw a banana eat another banana, or an ape growing into a tree (assuming you have bananas with seeds, which is a rarity nowadays).As I said, some differences exist. But equations and inequalities are closer related than, say, integration and trees (the kind of trees that have at least two leaves ;) )
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 10, 2013, 10:46:23 am
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no self-respecting member of such groups could, would or should take this without protest or offense.
/me facepalms.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 10, 2013, 10:58:35 am
Post by: Graknorke on October 10, 2013, 11:05:31 am
Post by: kaijyuu on October 10, 2013, 11:12:27 am
In an ideal world nobody gets offended over anything.Would this come from no one saying anything hurtful anymore or humanity becoming completely numb to what other people say or think?
Post by: Graknorke on October 10, 2013, 11:14:21 am
It would come from everyone having a perfect understanding of why people say or think what they do.In an ideal world nobody gets offended over anything.Would this come from no one saying anything hurtful anymore or humanity becoming completely numb to what other people say or think?
Post by: Xantalos on October 10, 2013, 11:14:50 am
Invent telepathy.It would come from everyone having a perfect understanding of why people say or think what they do.In an ideal world nobody gets offended over anything.Would this come from no one saying anything hurtful anymore or humanity becoming completely numb to what other people say or think?
Post by: Iceblaster on October 10, 2013, 11:17:09 am
Invent telepathy.It would come from everyone having a perfect understanding of why people say or think what they do.In an ideal world nobody gets offended over anything.Would this come from no one saying anything hurtful anymore or humanity becoming completely numb to what other people say or think?
Says the Eldritch Abomination :P
Post by: Xantalos on October 10, 2013, 11:20:48 am
...Says the Eldritch Abomination :PInvent telepathy.It would come from everyone having a perfect understanding of why people say or think what they do.In an ideal world nobody gets offended over anything.Would this come from no one saying anything hurtful anymore or humanity becoming completely numb to what other people say or think?
It'd work.
Post by: Darvi on October 10, 2013, 11:22:25 am
"Why're you thinking about dicks?" would become the new "Why're you hitting yourself?"
Post by: Graknorke on October 10, 2013, 11:35:37 am
I'd rather not. Middle school would be a nightmare.And the retort would be "Well why are you thinking about dicks?", or at least until everyone stops assigning such significance to people thinking relatively normal things.
"Why're you thinking about dicks?" would become the new "Why're you hitting yourself?"
Post by: Iceblaster on October 10, 2013, 11:37:31 am
That or we have made vocal speech the new whisper...I'd rather not. Middle school would be a nightmare.And the retort would be "Well why are you thinking about dicks?", or at least until everyone stops assigning such significance to people thinking relatively normal things.
"Why're you thinking about dicks?" would become the new "Why're you hitting yourself?"
Next time on unrelated but sorta related theories...
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 10, 2013, 12:28:18 pm
I can reasonably see people being offended by these sports team names (and especially their mascots (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VwHtGu-5VPM/UIcCSusTxnI/AAAAAAAABQQ/PcY3FUkU9Ew/s1600/chief+wahoo.jpg), being caricatures), but ultimately it's up to the native americans themselves whether they care or not.The issue has nothing to do with people being offended about the team names - I can understand people being offended, whatever. But arguing about how offensive something is while saying something significantly MORE effective (the quote in question) is just - like, seriously, oh my fucking hell, that's just terrible. They're effectively saying that anyway that disagrees with them doesn't even have the right to be considered a member of their ethnic group.
That is terrible.
When you say "No self-respecting Indian would disagree with my opinion, and no self-respecting Indian would sit on their ass and let other people disagree with me, and if you are an Indian that disagrees with me well you're either not a real Indian or you have no self respect" you are being way, way, way more offensive against the group you are ostensibly trying to defend than almost any slight you could have found yourself worked up about.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 10, 2013, 12:32:56 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 10, 2013, 12:38:37 pm
Why is it that the people who get most offended by this sort of thing are rarely of the group that actually has a right to be offended?
Because no one gets to dictate who can and cannot be offended by something?
Though I know what you mean... Tis a joke :P
Mind you generally speaking I am told I am not allowed to be offended by, or have an opinion of, anything... AND I am told I am born evil and that I am scum as taught in school.
Wait this isn't the rage thread... hmmmm... Whoops :P
Post by: Itnetlolor on October 10, 2013, 01:56:34 pm
Why is it that the people who get most offended by this sort of thing are rarely of the group that actually has a right to be offended?Who are they really trying to make feel better about these things? Themselves, or the group that would be offended? In most cases, I would assume the former.
Post by: Oliolli on October 10, 2013, 02:48:09 pm
Post by: Owlbread on October 10, 2013, 02:59:12 pm
Post by: Redzephyr01 on October 10, 2013, 03:15:53 pm
http://scummy-world.tumblr.com/
This is ridiculously stupid, even for tumblr.
Post by: Sensei on October 10, 2013, 03:23:02 pm
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mobyfufu asked: Hi, you believe that all women are better then men, and also that men cannot be raped right? I suggest you search up Jeffrey Dahmer. Not to end this on a mean note, but I think it'll change your mind.Definitely trollin'.
Actually, Jeffrey Dahmer is a man’s natural state.
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LOL if you believe in the dictionary (that fyi is written by white cishets) then you’re NOT a feminist.Troll. Definitely.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 10, 2013, 03:28:36 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 10, 2013, 03:29:54 pm
It's not really worth speculating on. This blog is so far beyond the Poe Event Horizon that there is no way to discern it.This.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 10, 2013, 03:36:45 pm
Post by: Redzephyr01 on October 10, 2013, 03:38:27 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 10, 2013, 04:01:41 pm
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regit27 asked: I used to think i was gay, but after reading your blog I realize that I really want to just rape women. Thank you for this enlightening, and now I'll start making my plans. Do you think I should use duct tape on their mouths, or is it better to listen to them scream and cry? I'm new to this and I could use some advice! Thankees!!!!!!!
In the off chance you don't get the joke, it's basically a gay guy saying that this woman got him to realize he's not gay, because he wants to do nothing but rape women. It's kind of a dark joke, yes.
Post by: Xantalos on October 10, 2013, 04:43:34 pm
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Anonymous asked: disabled? like unable to walk?AHAHAHAHA
I have a small scar on my left arm from a fence I tried to climb over but this patriarchal society doesn’t acknowledge my dis-empowered arm as a disability so I don’t get any extra recognition or monetary aid for it.
HAHAHAHAHA
Oy.
I know the blog isn't funny, but bahahahaha that's ... fehehehehehehehehe.
Post by: Sensei on October 10, 2013, 06:35:27 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 10, 2013, 07:06:06 pm
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Have you girls ever noticed how tumblr is based on patriarchy itself?
People are able to follow and stalk you, which reinforces rape culture.
You don’t get to CONSENT when people reblog you. And as I’ve mentioned in my faq rape doesn’t require penetration. You’re literally being raped by white cishets as they reblog your posts.
Tumblr is literally PART of rape culture.
Post by: frostshotgg on October 10, 2013, 09:31:49 pm
Post by: IronTomato on October 10, 2013, 10:00:06 pm
I think I might have found someone even dumber than that "anti-piv" guy. I hope this person is a troll, because if they aren't humanity as a whole is doomed.Are you TRYING to kill me?!
http://scummy-world.tumblr.com/
This is ridiculously stupid, even for tumblr.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on October 11, 2013, 05:16:02 am
Too lazy to actually check that troll's blog, do they have a long ass list of labels/privileges?No, but they're a radical feminist and extremely racist.
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 11, 2013, 09:57:59 am
Too lazy to actually check that troll's blog, do they have a long ass list of labels/privileges?No, but they're a radical feminist and extremely racist.
It's not THAT long but OF COURSE they have a list: ★ 21 ★ WOC ★ Sex negative ★ Singlet ★ LGBQ ★ DISABLED
Post by: Iceblaster on October 11, 2013, 10:06:20 am
Too lazy to actually check that troll's blog, do they have a long ass list of labels/privileges?No, but they're a radical feminist and extremely racist.
It's not THAT long but OF COURSE they have a list: ★ 21 ★ WOC ★ Sex negative ★ Singlet ★ LGBQ ★ DISABLED
Soooo sex negative?
The hell is that?
WOC?
See above.
Well. After looking at the blog. I can safely say that I've lost faith in humanity ::)
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 11, 2013, 10:18:38 am
Also it is DEFINITELY someone on a lark, no way this is real.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 11, 2013, 10:42:05 am
Sex Negative means they disapprove of sex (from the content, because sex is either rape or objectification and usually both and thus always bad). WOC is Womyn Of Colour.
Also it is DEFINITELY someone on a lark, no way this is real.
FTFY.
Post by: Iceblaster on October 11, 2013, 10:50:33 am
Sex Negative means they disapprove of sex (from the content, because sex is either rape or objectification and usually both and thus always bad). WOC is Woman Of Colour.
Also it is DEFINITELY someone on a lark, no way this is real.
Thanks for the information. Learn something new everyday :P
I shall await the day the WTF thread has a post that says the blog is a big joke.
Post by: Dutchling on October 11, 2013, 11:09:26 am
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Have you girls ever noticed how tumblr is based on patriarchy itself?
People are able to follow and stalk you, which reinforces rape culture.
You don’t get to CONSENT when people reblog you. And as I’ve mentioned in my faq rape doesn’t require penetration. You’re literally being raped by white cishets as they reblog your posts.
Tumblr is literally PART of rape culture.
Post by: Graknorke on October 11, 2013, 01:48:25 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 11, 2013, 01:55:18 pm
Quotewhite cishets
... Well. This is fascinating. I never realized it, but apparently I've got THREE labels and I didn't know it.
Post by: Descan on October 11, 2013, 02:03:58 pm
you're cool
Post by: RedKing on October 11, 2013, 02:11:36 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 11, 2013, 02:25:50 pm
It took a few minutes to figure out WTF a "cishet" was. I thought it was a typo....
What is it?
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 11, 2013, 02:27:30 pm
Cissexual heterosexual, the bane of all social justice warriors.It took a few minutes to figure out WTF a "cishet" was. I thought it was a typo....
What is it?
Post by: Xantalos on October 11, 2013, 02:30:59 pm
Aren't those the same thing?Cissexual heterosexual, the bane of all social justice warriors.It took a few minutes to figure out WTF a "cishet" was. I thought it was a typo....
What is it?
Post by: Darvi on October 11, 2013, 02:32:50 pm
Post by: Owlbread on October 11, 2013, 02:33:00 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 11, 2013, 02:33:59 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 11, 2013, 02:36:00 pm
Post by: Dutchling on October 11, 2013, 02:36:54 pm
Ahhh, equality 8)
Post by: SealyStar on October 11, 2013, 02:41:18 pm
I automatically stop reading the minute they cram together "cis" and "het". That, and I tend to read the "sh" as representing the fricative it usually does, rather than s and h.Quotewhite cishets
... Well. This is fascinating. I never realized it, but apparently I've got THREE labels and I didn't know it.
I also think we've concluded, with 99% certainty, that this particular SJ blog is a troll, like, two pages back. Your comments seem to be implying a degree of seriousness in spite of this. This confuses me.
Post by: Graknorke on October 11, 2013, 04:55:39 pm
Spoilered for being really fucking long.
Spoiler: PIV intercourse is always rape: by radfeminist (click to show/hide)
I only imagined having cats. Not being with a man (or woman). I wanted to have a relationship with a man once. but he didn’t want to. Now I’m decidedly lesbian. But I don’t think I’ll be in a lesbian relationship. I won’t have sex with any man anymore. For political reasons.Post by: kaian-a-coel on October 11, 2013, 05:09:51 pm
Post by: Sensei on October 11, 2013, 05:28:23 pm
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I believe that most heterosexual intercourse... is effectively rape
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I wanted to have a relationship with a man once. but he didn’t want toPretty much gives us the entire picture.
Post by: lue on October 11, 2013, 05:30:21 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on October 11, 2013, 05:54:14 pm
Fucking hell this thing is confusing.
The day I understand the whole Tumblr justice thing is the day Atheismo and Santa Christ battle it out to see who is better :P*
*I mean all of this jokingly and hope not to offend anyone.
Post by: Xantalos on October 11, 2013, 05:56:02 pm
I read it as 'If I have one potato and four pink, how many camels must have been killed by my mother?'SIGD.
Post by: Darvi on October 11, 2013, 06:28:15 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 11, 2013, 07:00:32 pm
NO U.IT'S BEYOND YOUR REACH NOW.
Post by: Oliolli on October 12, 2013, 01:39:21 am
DIE CIS SCUM
I didn't know "Cis Scum" was a feminine noun.
Post by: Owlbread on October 12, 2013, 07:13:12 am
If you are cisgender and are essentially heterosexual if you are sexual at all, given your apathy towards the filthy acts (as I presume), then you would presumably qualify as cishet scum. If not, then you are cis scum.
Post by: SealyStar on October 12, 2013, 09:48:22 am
If I'm heteroromantic asexual, am I cishet scum or just cis scum? I want to know how much I'm allowed to loathe myself and how poorly things are for me on the internet and, by extension, how much better I am than a gay trans person.It must be feminine, because masculine nouns represent oppression!DIE CIS SCUM
I didn't know "Cis Scum" was a feminine noun.
Post by: Skyrunner on October 12, 2013, 11:23:27 am
Post by: frostshotgg on October 12, 2013, 12:58:42 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 12, 2013, 12:59:09 pm
what about neohexane?We don't talk about The One.
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Post by: kaian-a-coel on October 12, 2013, 04:32:56 pm
Post by: kaian-a-coel on October 12, 2013, 04:51:20 pm
#feeble_attempt_at_justificating_himself
Post by: Octobomb on October 12, 2013, 05:15:36 pm
Any discussion wher a debate on sexuality is turned into chemistry is an excellent one.
It's what makes Bay12 Bay12: We are UTTERLY FREAKING NUTS.
Post by: Max White on October 12, 2013, 05:49:58 pm
My teachers call the DNA code "degenerated", because of its redundancy (I think). So this is "degenerating" in the same meaning, because in a way, any debate about sexuality is about chemistry in the first place :PI wonder what they do when they loose their only set of house keys...
#feeble_attempt_at_justificating_himself
Post by: Bohandas on October 12, 2013, 11:52:49 pm
Tut tut tut. It's not degenerating, it's improving.
Agreed.
Post by: lue on October 13, 2013, 12:03:09 am
My teachers call the DNA code "degenerated", because of its redundancy (I think). So this is "degenerating" in the same meaning, because in a way, any debate about sexuality is about chemistry in the first place :PI said 'degenerating?' because it's not degenerating, the conversation is improving.
#feeble_attempt_at_justificating_himself
Secondly, it's called a degenerate code because many base triplets code for the same amino acid.
I prefer to think of them as Undocmented opcodes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undocumented_opcode). Except instead of killing your cells or creating some sort of dual-purpose amino acid they just do the exact same thing another triplet does. (In case you can't tell, I tend to think of DNA and all the related systems like a computer :P)
Post by: gigaraptor487 on October 13, 2013, 06:17:55 am
I facepalmed.
Post by: hops on October 13, 2013, 06:20:38 am
My friend once said that how good something is directly corresponds to its popularity, and then everyone backed him up.His opinion is very good. :P
I facepalmed.
Post by: gigaraptor487 on October 13, 2013, 06:38:28 am
He then went on to say that if something costs money it is automatically better than something that is free(he cited dwarf fortress(a game he had never played) vs Minecraft). And still they continued to support him. I think it shows how people i know are sheep or butt kissers(in a way both).
EDIT: After thinking for a fraction of a second, i think they may have failed to see Dwarf Fortresses inner beauty as a complicated master piece expressed in a simple way(if not particular kind to the untrained eye).
Post by: Darvi on October 13, 2013, 06:47:59 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 13, 2013, 03:25:53 pm
Oh, definitively (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsHardSoItSucks).
He then went on to say that if something costs money it is automatically better than something that is free(he cited dwarf fortress(a game he had never played) vs Minecraft).Somebody bring out the '2CASUAL4U' banner.
Post by: frostshotgg on October 13, 2013, 03:55:52 pm
Somebody bring out the '2CASUAL4U' banner.6.07638945782E+25
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Putnam on October 14, 2013, 02:50:17 am
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Post by: Iceblaster on October 14, 2013, 05:15:58 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 14, 2013, 09:28:12 am
Doesn't stop that from being stupid, though he was what i would percieve as popular.Just ignore them if they pull those cards. Or pull a Godwin.
He then went on to say that if something costs money it is automatically better than something that is free(he cited dwarf fortress(a game he had never played) vs Minecraft). And still they continued to support him. I think it shows how people i know are sheep or butt kissers(in a way both).
EDIT: After thinking for a fraction of a second, i think they may have failed to see Dwarf Fortresses inner beauty as a complicated master piece expressed in a simple way(if not particular kind to the untrained eye).
Post by: Shakerag on October 14, 2013, 09:32:10 am
I think he used the ASCII code.QUIT REPRESSING EBCDIC, ASCII SCUM
#mainframepride
Post by: frostshotgg on October 14, 2013, 10:36:59 am
Is 2CASUAL4U in base 35 or 36 there?I actually did 2CASUAL4YOU, not U.
2CASUAL4YOU -> 00110010 01000011 01000001 01010011 01010101 01000001 01001100 00110100 01011001 01001111 01010101 -> 60763894578225989805494101 -> 6.07638945782E+25
Post by: tahujdt on October 14, 2013, 11:23:23 am
#1 was when we were studying dimensional analysis. I argued that the English system is better than metric for everyday use, because it is based on body parts. She responded with the standard arguments. Later that day, she denied the superiority of the binary system, even though I was defending it using the exact same arguments she had earlier.
#2 Was when me and her had been arguing over a scientific topic the previous day, so when I came in the next morning she handed me an article which supported her claims. What they were is not important. What was important was that she had the utter gall to staple an article about how people don't change their mind after they lose an argument on top of the science part. Of course, she would be much more susceptible to that effect than I would, because she held superiority over me. My reason for disagreeing was not any psychological aspect, but because I had read articles that had claimed the exact opposite of what she claimed and had been researched a lot more thoroughly. However, she did (kind of) apologize when I pointed out how hypocritical that was of her.
Post by: Graknorke on October 14, 2013, 11:34:35 am
Post by: Iceblaster on October 14, 2013, 11:42:09 am
I easily tell you my shoe is about a foot by glance, but if one told me to estimate it in centimeters, I'd be lost without a ruler.
Post by: Helgoland on October 14, 2013, 11:43:35 am
#1 was when we were studying dimensional analysis. I argued that the English system is better than metric for everyday use, because it is based on body parts. She responded with the standard arguments. Later that day, she denied the superiority of the binary system, even though I was defending it using the exact same arguments she had earlier.In her defence, that's not even the slightest bit stupid - measurements being based on body parts is irrelevant, because body parts vary in size, so the only advantage to the english system is that people in certain areas already use it, which hardly offsets the tremendous gains of having a unified wroldwide system. Binary numbers, however, are inferoir to base ten (or base 8, 11, or any other number in that region) because their information density is too low - while a computer can only have ON and OFF, a person can write '4' with the same amount of effort as a '1'.
FAKEEDIT: You get used to that sort of thing. Also, your foot most probably is much longer than one ft.
Post by: Graknorke on October 14, 2013, 11:44:37 am
I think he means it's easier to estimate at a glance.That's probably because you don't use metric much.
I easily tell you my shoe is about a foot by glance, but if one told me to estimate it in centimeters, I'd be lost without a ruler.
If you were to show me a thing I would have no idea its approximate length in imperial units, while I could give it to the nearest 5 cm.
Post by: Iceblaster on October 14, 2013, 01:21:12 pm
I think he means it's easier to estimate at a glance.That's probably because you don't use metric much.
I easily tell you my shoe is about a foot by glance, but if one told me to estimate it in centimeters, I'd be lost without a ruler.
If you were to show me a thing I would have no idea its approximate length in imperial units, while I could give it to the nearest 5 cm.
Eeeeeh
Yeah, guess that does make sense. I retract my previous statement.
Post by: tahujdt on October 14, 2013, 01:38:53 pm
My point was that she ignored the exact same arguments she used to try and convince me. Personally, speaking as someone who trained himself to do math in binary, it's not that difficult and the information density is not much of an issue. I read an article by Fred Pohl which suggested the idea. Pohl went so far as to suggest a whole new system of numbers.#1 was when we were studying dimensional analysis. I argued that the English system is better than metric for everyday use, because it is based on body parts. She responded with the standard arguments. Later that day, she denied the superiority of the binary system, even though I was defending it using the exact same arguments she had earlier.In her defence, that's not even the slightest bit stupid - measurements being based on body parts is irrelevant, because body parts vary in size, so the only advantage to the english system is that people in certain areas already use it, which hardly offsets the tremendous gains of having a unified wroldwide system. Binary numbers, however, are inferoir to base ten (or base 8, 11, or any other number in that region) because their information density is too low - while a computer can only have ON and OFF, a person can write '4' with the same amount of effort as a '1'.
FAKEEDIT: You get used to that sort of thing. Also, your foot most probably is much longer than one ft.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 14, 2013, 01:45:23 pm
a) Binary doesn't converse well with any currently existant unit system. (SI has been designed around powers of ten)
b) Human short term memory is pretty limited to about 7 different items.
c) What's the point. No real benefit, as opposed to standardization inherent in SI, which prevented a lot of stupid accidents.
Post by: SealyStar on October 14, 2013, 02:13:16 pm
My foot is only 11 inches, but then I have small feet.#1 was when we were studying dimensional analysis. I argued that the English system is better than metric for everyday use, because it is based on body parts. She responded with the standard arguments. Later that day, she denied the superiority of the binary system, even though I was defending it using the exact same arguments she had earlier.In her defence, that's not even the slightest bit stupid - measurements being based on body parts is irrelevant, because body parts vary in size, so the only advantage to the english system is that people in certain areas already use it, which hardly offsets the tremendous gains of having a unified wroldwide system. Binary numbers, however, are inferoir to base ten (or base 8, 11, or any other number in that region) because their information density is too low - while a computer can only have ON and OFF, a person can write '4' with the same amount of effort as a '1'.
FAKEEDIT: You get used to that sort of thing. Also, your foot most probably is much longer than one ft.
Post by: Dutchling on October 14, 2013, 02:14:44 pm
I am just going to assume 11 inches equals 1 foot and 1 inch.My foot is only 11 inches, but then I have small feet.#1 was when we were studying dimensional analysis. I argued that the English system is better than metric for everyday use, because it is based on body parts. She responded with the standard arguments. Later that day, she denied the superiority of the binary system, even though I was defending it using the exact same arguments she had earlier.In her defence, that's not even the slightest bit stupid - measurements being based on body parts is irrelevant, because body parts vary in size, so the only advantage to the english system is that people in certain areas already use it, which hardly offsets the tremendous gains of having a unified wroldwide system. Binary numbers, however, are inferoir to base ten (or base 8, 11, or any other number in that region) because their information density is too low - while a computer can only have ON and OFF, a person can write '4' with the same amount of effort as a '1'.
FAKEEDIT: You get used to that sort of thing. Also, your foot most probably is much longer than one ft.
Post by: IronTomato on October 14, 2013, 02:16:51 pm
Post by: Sensei on October 14, 2013, 02:58:06 pm
I am just going to assume 11 inches equals 1 foot and 1 inch.Heh, you're assuming the english system makes sense.
Post by: Hanslanda on October 14, 2013, 03:05:34 pm
I am just going to assume 11 inches equals 1 foot and 1 inch.Heh, you're assuming the english system makes sense.
This.
And no, a full foot long foot is actually really big. Most people's feet are actually closer to 7-10 inches long. My feet, and I have BIG feet, are only 10 inches long. Mind you, I'm 6'1", or like 180 centimeters or something. I'm not a small person.
Post by: Graknorke on October 14, 2013, 03:07:57 pm
the english systemIs this a thing that people call Imperial Units?
Because we don't really use those any more apart from in cars. It's only really the US that clings onto using Imperial Units as the general system of measurement. Everyone else has converted over to loving the multiples of ten.
Post by: Octobomb on October 14, 2013, 03:13:20 pm
Post by: sjm9876 on October 14, 2013, 03:33:57 pm
The English do not make much sense - the language , the measurements, the fact we managed to conquer half the world despite being a tiny island, the fact the American media thinks we all speak with received pronunciation or cockney accents, the fascination with the American elections... and that's just the tip of the iceberg. And I wouldn't want it any other way. And yes, despite using the good old Imperial system often, base ten is so much easier!Don't forget our propensity to conquer countries by having a flag.
Explorer appears.
'You can't claim this land, 6 million people live here.'
'Yes, but do you have a flag?'
'Ummm..... no?'
'So there.'
Explorer plants flag. Later uses entire country as prison / tea plantation.
Post by: Darvi on October 14, 2013, 03:38:05 pm
(I'd rather take death over cake, but chicken's fine too)
Post by: Octobomb on October 14, 2013, 03:40:16 pm
"I claim this internet forum for her glorious highness the Queen, ruler of the mighty British Empire!"
Also: One of us! One of us! As is Loud Whispers.
You know how it is. You either have tea with the vicar, or YOU DIE!Actually, the UK is less religious than the US, and British cake is very fine, thankyouverymuchthankyouplease.
(I'd rather take death over cake, but chicken's fine too)
Post by: Xantalos on October 14, 2013, 03:49:32 pm
/me plants flag on Bay12.Sadly, the sigflag fad outdid you there.
"I claim this internet forum for her glorious highness the Queen, ruler of the mighty British Empire!"
HAH REFERENCING OLD FADS
Post by: Octobomb on October 14, 2013, 04:27:41 pm
I don't have sig images enabled AHAHA but you seem like a jolly good fella so why don't we retire back to my stately home for a spot of tea, cake and the plotting of the takeover of the world?/me plants flag on Bay12.Sadly, the sigflag fad outdid you there.
"I claim this internet forum for her glorious highness the Queen, ruler of the mighty British Empire!"
HAH REFERENCING OLD FADS
Post by: Xantalos on October 14, 2013, 04:28:15 pm
Because I and several associates already own it.I don't have sig images enabled AHAHA but you seem like a jolly good fella so why don't we retire back to my stately home for a spot of tea, cake and the plotting of the takeover of the world?/me plants flag on Bay12.Sadly, the sigflag fad outdid you there.
"I claim this internet forum for her glorious highness the Queen, ruler of the mighty British Empire!"
HAH REFERENCING OLD FADS
Post by: Octobomb on October 14, 2013, 04:32:14 pm
Noaw old fella don't be so hasty. Do yoah not think I would not be smart enough to oawn the warld already? I meant takeovah, as in forceful subjectivitah! (Good grief, I've gone full English).Because I and several associates already own it.I don't have sig images enabled AHAHA but you seem like a jolly good fella so why don't we retire back to my stately home for a spot of tea, cake and the plotting of the takeover of the world?/me plants flag on Bay12.Sadly, the sigflag fad outdid you there.
"I claim this internet forum for her glorious highness the Queen, ruler of the mighty British Empire!"
HAH REFERENCING OLD FADS
Post by: Darvi on October 14, 2013, 04:39:40 pm
Son, I am dissapoint. I find your lack of stand-up comedy knowledge disturbing.
Actually, the UK is less religious than the US, and British cake is very fine, thankyouverymuchthankyouplease.
Post by: werty892 on October 14, 2013, 04:43:11 pm
yeh wot fam i set my mates on you innit wot you gonna do about it?!
SHUTUP FAM I BASH YOU UP
butters fob
Post by: Sirus on October 14, 2013, 04:46:21 pm
Post by: Octobomb on October 14, 2013, 04:55:49 pm
Please enlighten me. I vaguely recall hearing something along those lines once but other than that I know not. Also: I find your lack of knowledge of very obscure British comedy references vaguely. disturbing. The Star Wars, however, I commend.Son, I am dissapoint. I find your lack of stand-up comedy knowledge disturbing.
Actually, the UK is less religious than the US, and British cake is very fine, thankyouverymuchthankyouplease.
Post by: scrdest on October 14, 2013, 05:01:15 pm
Noaw old fella don't be so hasty. Do yoah not think I would not be smart enough to oawn the warld already? I meant takeovah, as in forceful subjectivitah! (Good grief, I've gone full English).Because I and several associates already own it.I don't have sig images enabled AHAHA but you seem like a jolly good fella so why don't we retire back to my stately home for a spot of tea, cake and the plotting of the takeover of the world?/me plants flag on Bay12.Sadly, the sigflag fad outdid you there.
"I claim this internet forum for her glorious highness the Queen, ruler of the mighty British Empire!"
HAH REFERENCING OLD FADS
You sound more like a New Orleans plantation owner here.
Post by: Octobomb on October 14, 2013, 05:06:57 pm
Yes, I do. Oh God. Oh God! OH GOD!Noaw old fella don't be so hasty. Do yoah not think I would not be smart enough to oawn the warld already? I meant takeovah, as in forceful subjectivitah! (Good grief, I've gone full English).Because I and several associates already own it.I don't have sig images enabled AHAHA but you seem like a jolly good fella so why don't we retire back to my stately home for a spot of tea, cake and the plotting of the takeover of the world?/me plants flag on Bay12.Sadly, the sigflag fad outdid you there.
"I claim this internet forum for her glorious highness the Queen, ruler of the mighty British Empire!"
HAH REFERENCING OLD FADS
You sound more like a New Orleans plantation owner here.
Post by: smirk on October 14, 2013, 05:07:30 pm
Please enlighten me. I vaguely recall hearing something along those lines once but other than that I know not. Also: I find your lack of knowledge of very obscure British comedy references vaguely. disturbing. The Star Wars, however, I commend.Son, I am dissapoint. I find your lack of stand-up comedy knowledge disturbing.
Actually, the UK is less religious than the US, and British cake is very fine, thankyouverymuchthankyouplease.
Eddie Izzard!
Do you have a flag? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTduy7Qkvk8)
Tea and Cake or Death! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csgReYhhVCg)
Post by: Octobomb on October 14, 2013, 05:10:18 pm
Knew I'd heard it somewhere.
Post by: Graknorke on October 14, 2013, 05:51:08 pm
A wild Ireland appears!It di'n't do me any harm, y'knae (http://youtu.be/ljPFZrRD3J8)
yeh wot fam i set my mates on you innit wot you gonna do about it?!
SHUTUP FAM I BASH YOU UP
butters fob
Post by: Graknorke on October 14, 2013, 05:57:05 pm
What in Her Majesty's name is going on here?I'm not entirely sure. What say you to stealing from the Spanish?
Post by: Graknorke on October 14, 2013, 06:05:28 pm
So we're agreed; we'll go back in time and steam from the Spanish. Maybe tag along with Sir Walter Raleigh and take a share of that wonderful stolen gold.Me too. They did bad stuff from my peoples.Depends. If we go back in time and loot their ships carrying gold and shit, I'm all up for it.What in Her Majesty's name is going on here?I'm not entirely sure. What say you to stealing from the Spanish?
Post by: werty892 on October 14, 2013, 07:03:35 pm
Post by: Steelmagic on October 14, 2013, 07:06:36 pm
Is there room for a somewhat lazy American in this plan?So we're agreed; we'll go back in time and steam from the Spanish. Maybe tag along with Sir Walter Raleigh and take a share of that wonderful stolen gold.Me too. They did bad stuff from my peoples.Depends. If we go back in time and loot their ships carrying gold and shit, I'm all up for it.What in Her Majesty's name is going on here?I'm not entirely sure. What say you to stealing from the Spanish?
Post by: Helgoland on October 14, 2013, 07:48:42 pm
You taking Germans? Habsburg was Austrian/Spanish, there's a lot to give back...Everyone deserves to loot the Spanish. Especially people from the great continent of America. Even more if they are from Central America/Caribean.Is there room for a somewhat lazy American in this plan?So we're agreed; we'll go back in time and steam from the Spanish. Maybe tag along with Sir Walter Raleigh and take a share of that wonderful stolen gold.Me too. They did bad stuff from my peoples.Depends. If we go back in time and loot their ships carrying gold and shit, I'm all up for it.What in Her Majesty's name is going on here?I'm not entirely sure. What say you to stealing from the Spanish?
Post by: Oliolli on October 15, 2013, 01:55:48 am
We... can't... umm... claim to have suffered through the bloodiest civil war of the 20th century?
Post by: Octobomb on October 15, 2013, 05:07:17 am
Let's go steal from the Spaniards! For England!You taking Germans? Habsburg was Austrian/Spanish, there's a lot to give back...Everyone deserves to loot the Spanish. Especially people from the great continent of America. Even more if they are from Central America/Caribean.Is there room for a somewhat lazy American in this plan?So we're agreed; we'll go back in time and steam from the Spanish. Maybe tag along with Sir Walter Raleigh and take a share of that wonderful stolen gold.Me too. They did bad stuff from my peoples.Depends. If we go back in time and loot their ships carrying gold and shit, I'm all up for it.What in Her Majesty's name is going on here?I'm not entirely sure. What say you to stealing from the Spanish?
Ironically, in my EU4 game, I, as France, have taken over Ireland and most of the UK.The French are actually badass fighters. Napoleon kicked most of Europe six ways from home solo, the French fought off an invasion in WWI and in WWII still had time to maintain the resistance. They currently have over 300 nuclear warheads and spend the third most on their army in the world. The Canadians... is another story altogether.
Post by: Darvi on October 15, 2013, 05:17:16 am
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Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 15, 2013, 09:55:06 am
Meh, the effectively of the French resistance is kind-off overstated, at the expense of other countries. For example, the Belgian resistance managed to kill more soldiers in one action than the French resistance in a year and provided approximately 80% of all information gathered by all resistances in mainland Europe.Ironically, in my EU4 game, I, as France, have taken over Ireland and most of the UK.The French are actually badass fighters. Napoleon kicked most of Europe six ways from home solo, the French fought off an invasion in WWI and in WWII still had time to maintain the resistance. They currently have over 300 nuclear warheads and spend the third most on their army in the world. The Canadians... is another story altogether.
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 15, 2013, 11:48:39 am
Post by: Owlbread on October 15, 2013, 01:24:23 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 15, 2013, 01:26:15 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 15, 2013, 01:26:56 pm
Had someone who was insisting you can't repeal the second amendment.
You could, but there would be some pretty serious backlash to deal with. Lot's of people like their guns. And coincidentally have guns and know how to use them. I would not be surprised if the people with guns tried to use their guns to defend their right to have guns. Kind of seems like something they would do.
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 15, 2013, 01:28:37 pm
Don't forget our propensity to conquer countries by having a flag.Nah, the flag was great but it was the maps that sealed the deal. No point planting a flag if some Dutchman or Frenchman's just going to show up later with their own flag, the cartographers were King.
Actually, I reckon it was more to do with the armies. Whoever showed up with the better fighting force was usually the one to get to plant their flag.
A wild Ireland appears!hush ur lips yh
yeh wot fam i set my mates on you innit wot you gonna do about it?!
SHUTUP FAM I BASH YOU UP
butters fob
i swear on me mum m8 ill deck u an all like its nothink
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 15, 2013, 01:29:56 pm
They responded by saying the constitution wouldn't let repeal it. Which is just like - do you even know what amendments are?
Post by: MaximumZero on October 15, 2013, 01:33:22 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 15, 2013, 01:33:49 pm
Or you can do it sneakishly and attempt to bypass it.
Post by: Owlbread on October 15, 2013, 01:35:29 pm
With enough support, you can repeal everything.
Or you can do it sneakishly and attempt to bypass it.
Doing things sneakily is never a nice way to go about doing things of course.
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 15, 2013, 01:37:15 pm
So...this person believes that alcohol is still illegal?
"That was different, the second amendment is special."
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 15, 2013, 01:39:21 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 15, 2013, 01:51:14 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on October 15, 2013, 01:58:51 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 15, 2013, 02:37:38 pm
Post by: Durin Stronginthearm on October 15, 2013, 02:55:44 pm
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The French are actually badass fighters. Napoleon kicked most of Europe six ways from home solo, the French fought off an invasion in WWI and in WWII still had time to maintain the resistance. They currently have over 300 nuclear warheads and spend the third most on their army in the world. The Canadians... is another story altogether.
Canada can at least claim to have been involved in WW2 almost from the start, unlike a certain other North American country I could mention :)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 15, 2013, 02:57:14 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 15, 2013, 02:58:30 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 15, 2013, 02:59:42 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 15, 2013, 02:59:42 pm
The Canadians are one of the few countries who can say they not only defeated the USA in a way, but marched to their capital and burned it down.
Well they burned down our capital first. It's only fair after all.
EDIT: Wow, posted at the exact same time as Ebbor.
Post by: Xantalos on October 15, 2013, 03:00:09 pm
Retaliation and all.The Canadians are one of the few countries who can say they not only defeated the USA in a way, but marched to their capital and burned it down.
Well they burned down our capital first. It's only fair after all.
Post by: IronTomato on October 15, 2013, 03:17:31 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 15, 2013, 03:19:20 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 15, 2013, 03:21:17 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 15, 2013, 03:25:10 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 15, 2013, 03:47:51 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 15, 2013, 03:49:31 pm
Post by: Descan on October 15, 2013, 03:49:41 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 15, 2013, 04:05:45 pm
Post by: PanH on October 15, 2013, 04:23:53 pm
It probably would have, but in another shape or form. The Versaille treaty pretty much ensured a war in Germany, but even without that the situation was dangerous in many countries.Foch said that the Versailles treaty was a 20 year armistice, which is oddly accurate. And while the Versailles treaty certainly played a role, it's not said that it wouldn't have happened anyway. There has been a extremist right wing movement even in countries that were the winner of the WWI (France, UK, Italy), though they did not necessarily get to power.
Post by: Helgoland on October 15, 2013, 05:33:20 pm
I thought it just meant "one-sided romantic attraction with two-sided platonic attraction" - and that definitely exists, I can attest to that...Mostly it's because people will look for any reason for a rejection other than themselves not being the other person's type. Same reason the "friendzone" term exists despite not being an actual thing."Friendzone" is a thing. It only exists in TV/books/comics, but it exists.
Post by: Dutchling on October 15, 2013, 05:50:54 pm
No. It usually seems to mean befriending someone and expecting sex in return.I thought it just meant "one-sided romantic attraction with two-sided platonic attraction" - and that definitely exists, I can attest to that...Mostly it's because people will look for any reason for a rejection other than themselves not being the other person's type. Same reason the "friendzone" term exists despite not being an actual thing."Friendzone" is a thing. It only exists in TV/books/comics, but it exists.
Post by: Graknorke on October 15, 2013, 06:00:15 pm
Post by: Putnam on October 15, 2013, 06:54:23 pm
What the friendzone implies is that the only reason you're not in a romantic relationship is because of the friendship you share when the actual reason is more likely... s/he doesn't want a romantic relationship with you. People can't deal with the idea that they're not a goddamn perfect lover who interests everyone, like the kind of guy who hears a lady is a lesbian and says something like "well you ever got some dick in you" as if... actually, I can't come up with any logical reason why someone would say that, so I'm not going to bother
Post by: kaijyuu on October 15, 2013, 07:14:29 pm
Yeah, as others have said, "friendzone" is supposed to mean that friendship precludes romantic attraction (or at least gets in the way of it). In reality, people just look for any excuse other than the other person not being romantically attracted, and assuming friendship got in the way seems to be a common fallacious excuse.I thought it just meant "one-sided romantic attraction with two-sided platonic attraction" - and that definitely exists, I can attest to that...Mostly it's because people will look for any reason for a rejection other than themselves not being the other person's type. Same reason the "friendzone" term exists despite not being an actual thing."Friendzone" is a thing. It only exists in TV/books/comics, but it exists.
One sided romantic attraction with two sided platonic attraction does exist, but "friendzoning" states that the platonic attraction is what made the romantic attraction impossible. It's especially dumb when you look at it like this, since the person romantically attracted wasn't deterred because the other person was a friend.
Post by: Gunner-Chan on October 15, 2013, 07:18:22 pm
And I say this since it's only those types of people I've seen use it non jokingly/ironically.
Post by: Putnam on October 15, 2013, 07:20:49 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 15, 2013, 07:22:43 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 15, 2013, 07:32:56 pm
Your fun fact for the day is that the phrase "Nice Guys Finish Last" originated from a professional baseball coach, who used it to defend his team from accusations that acted unsportingly.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 15, 2013, 07:37:35 pm
Eat anecdotal evidence, stupid truism!
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 15, 2013, 07:38:07 pm
(Yeah, he sounds like me in high school, to be honest, which is why I feel so cringey about him. The only idea I've had so far is to set him up on a blind date with an exceptionally creepy good friend of mine...but I feel like that would be mean. The drama would be spectacular, however.)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 15, 2013, 07:41:40 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 15, 2013, 07:44:07 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 15, 2013, 07:44:13 pm
While we're on the subject, I do not get the appeal of hats at all. Fedoras are cringeworthy when worn outside proper attire, but I don't think I like any hats. The only hat I own is a winter cap for when it snows.
I had and will soon reacquire my beloved bowler.
Maybe I should wait until I have classier shirts and bowties to go with it, though.
Post by: BlackFlyme on October 15, 2013, 07:44:38 pm
Berets, fedoras, tophats...
Post by: Descan on October 15, 2013, 08:06:49 pm
Bows are honorary mentions.
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 15, 2013, 08:57:08 pm
The number of people I've seen wearing fedoras at my college is deeply concerning.The worst part, is most of them aren't even fedoras, or are terrible low quality ones.
I actually love hats, and own quite a few of them of various types. The problem is that many people think a hat carries itself, though - it doesn't.
First: The hat should serve a use beyond fashion. Either to provide shade or to keep your head warm or to designate your association with a particular group or part of your heritage or something. Have a reason to wear the hat other than "hats are cool", and you'll look much less stupid wearing it.
Second: The hat is an accessory, and needs to go with the rest of the outfit. Fedoras especially.
Third: You need to wear a hat that looks good on you. Get a colour and shape that works with your face. Fedoras probably aren't it.
Fourth: Decent shaped hats are expensive. If you aren't wiling to drop money on a good quality hat or spend the time looking for a deal on one, buy a hat type that looks good on you without breaking the bank.
Fifth: Get a hat that goddamn fits you. It's not. That. Hard.
A good military cap is generally pretty cheap (I just got one for 15 dollars or so), looks much nicer than a baseball cap, and can easily be worn with casual clothes or nicer clothes, a versatility that the fedora doesn't have so much.
Post by: SealyStar on October 15, 2013, 09:09:49 pm
Post by: smirk on October 15, 2013, 09:16:51 pm
The best hat is a 30s gangster.
Fix'd.
Post by: SealyStar on October 15, 2013, 09:17:55 pm
ICwutUdidthereThe best hat is a 30s gangster.
Fix'd.
Post by: Lightningfalcon on October 15, 2013, 09:24:20 pm
Post by: Steelmagic on October 15, 2013, 09:25:56 pm
Post by: Squill on October 15, 2013, 09:27:10 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on October 15, 2013, 09:32:37 pm
In one of my classes, there's a kid who looks extremely Irish/Scottish, and he always wears a beret, usually a plaid one. So one day, the person sitting behind him steals the hat. The kid who's hat was stolen turns around, and without breaking eye contact, reaches into his bag and pulls out another goddamn beret.
That kid comes prepared.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 15, 2013, 09:35:15 pm
IMHO, the best hat is a golden crown. But not a normal crown -- an ancient crown, it's spikes twisted and its shape weathered by age, but still standing strong. Some of the decorative gems are missing or smashed. Without talking, it tells a tale of a kingdom, long lost, who fell to the night. The sound of an army, battlecries an of a million voices crying out in pain and being silenced echo through your ears at the mere sight of it. But, there is hope- a single heir survived. In fact the heir is wearing the crown right now. *Camera slowly zooms out*
A dark heir, a mad heir, but still a heir. Here he sits in his throne of evil, a dark lord with a light soul, in a castle of cobwebs on top of a mountain of black in a land of blight that used to be a kingdom.
Until I can acquire that one I will have to use normal hats. :-\
I prefer the version that comes with lichification my self.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 15, 2013, 09:39:34 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 15, 2013, 10:03:48 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 15, 2013, 10:30:27 pm
It's old, ugly, beat up, and doesn't match anything, but I don't care.
Post by: Gentlefish on October 15, 2013, 10:32:48 pm
Hilarious comic. Sad fate to a once-great hat.
Oh, yeah, can I just link something here? (http://muscleluvr2.tumblr.com/post/55304548020/autumnleavesbabe-muscleluvr2-yorkbezbozny)
I want to stab this man in the eyes.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 15, 2013, 10:36:56 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 15, 2013, 10:39:37 pm
I'm torn between laughing because people are falling for the obvious troll or crying because people are seriously falling for this obvious troll.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 15, 2013, 10:40:08 pm
But the paperboy cap isn't necessarily ruined like the fedora has been. I mean, at least, you don't see webcomics about a fedora making a child into a gross manchild and being (And I'm being snarky saying this) "freindzoned" by their mother.I don't even care that you crossposted it in the WTF thread, that's beautiful enough to go in every emotion thread.
Hilarious comic. Sad fate to a once-great hat.
Oh, yeah, can I just link something here? (http://muscleluvr2.tumblr.com/post/55304548020/autumnleavesbabe-muscleluvr2-yorkbezbozny)
I want to stab this man in the eyes.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on October 15, 2013, 10:41:17 pm
Oh, yeah, can I just link something here? (http://muscleluvr2.tumblr.com/post/55304548020/autumnleavesbabe-muscleluvr2-yorkbezbozny)
I want to stab this man in the eyes.
Wow, that dude's aborted fetus child looks a heck of a lot like a blobfish.
OP of that post is probably trolling. Maybe. Hopefully.
Post by: Gentlefish on October 15, 2013, 10:41:53 pm
He's serious.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 15, 2013, 10:42:59 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 15, 2013, 10:45:43 pm
I don't even care if it's real or not. It's too funny for me to care.I completely and entirely agree with MSH.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 15, 2013, 10:50:55 pm
No you have no idea if you go to the rest of his blog.
He's serious.
Or he has a blog where he never comes out of trollmode.
I should consider getting one of those. It sounds like an entertaining way to pass the time.
Post by: frostshotgg on October 16, 2013, 12:03:50 am
Post by: Oliolli on October 16, 2013, 01:38:10 am
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fetus dont have bones until 52 weeks into pregnancy.
Pregnancies last an average of 40 weeks. Either a troll or horribly stupid.
Post by: Sensei on October 16, 2013, 03:42:20 am
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7655 times 2 followers. i hae double the followers it says here. fuck iwishlilbwasmygrandpaAlso the pic is literally the second thing you'll find in google images for "blobfish".
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That’s a Blobfish. It has fins for god sake. At no point in the fetal process do we have fully formed fins.
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keep sipping on the indoctrinade. i love seeing stupid pro-choicers comment on my post without knowing the facts. this man’s son was killed without permission and all you care about is the fins. typical
Guys. Come on. I'm seeing a pattern, and that pattern is you guys falling for trolls who are clearly winking and nudging and leaving hints that they're trolls.
Post by: hops on October 16, 2013, 04:14:28 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 16, 2013, 09:49:05 am
Yeah. Poe's Law is a cruel mistress.Or in this case an ordinary woman who just enjoys cosplaying in leather.
Seriously, obvious troll was obvious, and I hope everyone was just expressing their admiration for it.
Post by: Iceblaster on October 16, 2013, 09:58:00 am
That one guygirleh's profile pic looks so much better now :P
Post by: Sirus on October 16, 2013, 10:03:30 am
All I'm saying is, don't assume that even the most outlandish claims are trolls or Poes.
Post by: Tyg13 on October 16, 2013, 10:32:55 am
I have no idea the sentences before or after that sentence, just that sentence.
What were they even trying to say?
Post by: Iceblaster on October 16, 2013, 10:34:24 am
Eeeeeh?
I gueeeeeess it would be... Something about pro-life?
Post by: IronTomato on October 16, 2013, 11:00:50 am
Just heard this in class today, completely out of the blue. "When God created the human, it was for babies."I dunno. That's like saying "I poop in toilets because there's water in them."
I have no idea the sentences before or after that sentence, just that sentence.
What were they even trying to say?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 16, 2013, 11:04:30 am
Post by: Descan on October 16, 2013, 11:14:01 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 16, 2013, 12:10:22 pm
Mind you, I already knew the two of them were pretty sick from their hand in getting multiple children murdered though people following the advice of Micheal Pearl's previous book, To Train Up A Child, but their views on romantic relationships are little better.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on October 16, 2013, 02:39:36 pm
But the paperboy cap isn't necessarily ruined like the fedora has been. I mean, at least, you don't see webcomics about a fedora making a child into a gross manchild and being (And I'm being snarky saying this) "freindzoned" by their mother.
Hilarious comic. Sad fate to a once-great hat.
Oh, yeah, can I just link something here? (http://muscleluvr2.tumblr.com/post/55304548020/autumnleavesbabe-muscleluvr2-yorkbezbozny)
I want to stab this man in the eyes.
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fetus dont have bones until 52 weeks into pregnancyBut... Pregnancy doesn't even last 52 weeks!
Post by: Pnx on October 16, 2013, 02:55:26 pm
Unless you're an elephant! I think we all know what this means.But the paperboy cap isn't necessarily ruined like the fedora has been. I mean, at least, you don't see webcomics about a fedora making a child into a gross manchild and being (And I'm being snarky saying this) "freindzoned" by their mother.
Hilarious comic. Sad fate to a once-great hat.
Oh, yeah, can I just link something here? (http://muscleluvr2.tumblr.com/post/55304548020/autumnleavesbabe-muscleluvr2-yorkbezbozny)
I want to stab this man in the eyes.Quotefetus dont have bones until 52 weeks into pregnancyBut... Pregnancy doesn't even last 52 weeks!
Post by: Darvi on October 16, 2013, 02:56:17 pm
Post by: Eotyrannus on October 16, 2013, 03:06:39 pm
But how would he type!
Depends on if he's male or not.
Post by: SealyStar on October 16, 2013, 03:08:51 pm
But how would he type!Trunk. Easy.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 16, 2013, 03:57:50 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 16, 2013, 05:08:13 pm
Another update on the suitemate: apparently the female voice sometimes heard coming from his room is the 16-year-old daughter of one of the faculty families that he's tutoring for her PSATs, and he has declared that he's looking to meet girls with daddy issues.This can't end well...
Post by: Helgoland on October 16, 2013, 07:06:21 pm
But it might go entertainingly well...Another update on the suitemate: apparently the female voice sometimes heard coming from his room is the 16-year-old daughter of one of the faculty families that he's tutoring for her PSATs, and he has declared that he's looking to meet girls with daddy issues.This can't end well...
Post by: IronTomato on October 16, 2013, 08:02:11 pm
Remember suitemate, losing is fun.But it might go entertainingly well...Another update on the suitemate: apparently the female voice sometimes heard coming from his room is the 16-year-old daughter of one of the faculty families that he's tutoring for her PSATs, and he has declared that he's looking to meet girls with daddy issues.This can't end well...
Post by: hops on October 16, 2013, 11:19:40 pm
Definitely a troll.OH GOD I JUST NOTICED THE PUNQuote7655 times 2 followers. i hae double the followers it says here. fuck iwishlilbwasmygrandpaAlso the pic is literally the second thing you'll find in google images for "blobfish".QuoteThat’s a Blobfish. It has fins for god sake. At no point in the fetal process do we have fully formed fins.Quotekeep sipping on the indoctrinade. i love seeing stupid pro-choicers comment on my post without knowing the facts. this man’s son was killed without permission and all you care about is the fins. typical
Guys. Come on. I'm seeing a pattern, and that pattern is you guys falling for trolls who are clearly winking and nudging and leaving hints that they're trolls.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 17, 2013, 07:40:27 am
Post by: Redzephyr01 on October 17, 2013, 03:33:26 pm
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Post by: Graknorke on October 17, 2013, 08:25:09 pm
Warning: really disturbing. If you can't tell what's disturbing about it, look at the tags at the bottom of the picture.I don't get the connection.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fucking animals isn't a great leap in learning. It's just... what it is.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 17, 2013, 08:44:06 pm
There's a nice trace of irony there, considering that Chavez was a vegan.Warning: really disturbing. If you can't tell what's disturbing about it, look at the tags at the bottom of the picture.I don't get the connection.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fucking animals isn't a great leap in learning. It's just... what it is.
Post by: SealyStar on October 17, 2013, 08:45:13 pm
The stupid part is that they are twisting the words of real civil rights leaders to suit their questionable cause.Warning: really disturbing. If you can't tell what's disturbing about it, look at the tags at the bottom of the picture.I don't get the connection.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fucking animals isn't a great leap in learning. It's just... what it is.
You know like how Macklemore says "Human rights for everybody/There is no difference" about comparing gay rights to 60s movements for various races? Well, this is the same idea, except this time, it's wrong.
Yes, I'm sure not being discriminated against and forced to work for two cents an hour is the same as fucking animals.
Post by: SealyStar on October 17, 2013, 08:58:10 pm
Said a seal. :PI think seals are cute, but not cute in that way. Come on, I'm not a Canadian.
Then again, I'm a polar bear and I think it's wrong, so...
Post by: kaijyuu on October 17, 2013, 09:01:26 pm
/me said, now living in the South.
Post by: Xantalos on October 17, 2013, 09:04:21 pm
Uh, we don't do that with seals.Said a seal. :PI think seals are cute, but not cute in that way. Come on, I'm not a Canadian.
Then again, I'm a polar bear and I think it's wrong, so...
Post by: Frumple on October 17, 2013, 09:05:14 pm
Post by: SealyStar on October 17, 2013, 09:06:10 pm
Good point, but I would expect this from Norwegians.Uh, we don't do that with seals.Said a seal. :PI think seals are cute, but not cute in that way. Come on, I'm not a Canadian.
Then again, I'm a polar bear and I think it's wrong, so...
*cue Norwegian out of woodwork*
Post by: Xantalos on October 17, 2013, 09:06:25 pm
I notice a conspicuous lack of statement regarding moose.Wildlife in general.
We prefer to skin and eat them.
Post by: Xantalos on October 17, 2013, 09:11:44 pm
So?I notice a conspicuous lack of statement regarding to wether they are alive whne you do it.I notice a conspicuous lack of statement regarding moose.Wildlife in general.
We prefer to skin and eat them.
Post by: Frumple on October 17, 2013, 09:11:45 pm
Wildlife in general.... so it's the domestic animals that need fear the canadian population. I'll remember that.
We prefer to skin and eat them.
Post by: Sirus on October 17, 2013, 09:13:24 pm
Doesn't everyone?I notice a conspicuous lack of statement regarding moose.Wildlife in general.
We prefer to skin and eat them.
Post by: Chink on October 17, 2013, 09:32:38 pm
You looking for Norwegians by blood, or for people who live there currently?Good point, but I would expect this from Norwegians.Uh, we don't do that with seals.Said a seal. :PI think seals are cute, but not cute in that way. Come on, I'm not a Canadian.
Then again, I'm a polar bear and I think it's wrong, so...
*cue Norwegian out of woodwork*
Post by: Gentlefish on October 17, 2013, 09:38:00 pm
ayyyyy
Post by: SealyStar on October 17, 2013, 10:23:51 pm
I'm part Norwegian "by blood", so presumably those who live there currently.You looking for Norwegians by blood, or for people who live there currently?Good point, but I would expect this from Norwegians.Uh, we don't do that with seals.Said a seal. :PI think seals are cute, but not cute in that way. Come on, I'm not a Canadian.
Then again, I'm a polar bear and I think it's wrong, so...
*cue Norwegian out of woodwork*
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 17, 2013, 11:07:36 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on October 17, 2013, 11:18:59 pm
Post by: Descan on October 17, 2013, 11:30:20 pm
Like seriously. You want X. More liberty, less abortions, less [wasted] taxes, etc.
Someone shows you that Y thing you are railing against actually leads to X. Birth control leads to less abortions, basic income leads to more negotiating from workers and the possibility of education, public health care costs less per capita entirely than a private health economy does just in public costs, let alone the private costs on top, leading to less taxes diverted to health care.
WHY do you not google it? Why do you just rail against it ever more blindly?!
Like, seriously! I found these things with a 5 second google and a bit of reading, why is it so hard to READ and LEARN and CHANGE YOUR FUCKING MIND IN VIEW OF THE FACTS so that THINGS YOU WANT TO HAPPEN ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN?
Post by: Bauglir on October 17, 2013, 11:45:22 pm
Most people never stop doing that. Probably, myself included.
EDIT: Point being, people are terrible at absorbing knowledge that conflicts with their existing assumptions, and not only does it not occur to them to search for such ideas, they'll actively reject them if they're presented with them. Your only hope is to try and present everything in a way that builds on existing assumptions and leads up to the desired conflicting conclusion, because people do love knowledge that builds on what they already know or that expands into areas they had no ideas about before.
Post by: Descan on October 17, 2013, 11:48:27 pm
Post by: Vector on October 17, 2013, 11:50:19 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on October 17, 2013, 11:57:38 pm
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Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 18, 2013, 12:02:00 am
Post by: kaian-a-coel on October 18, 2013, 12:53:47 am
Of course, you have the rather serious issue of many of these people seeing all birth control as a form of abortion.wat
Now that's just stupid.
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 12:59:00 am
Though there's some that do, and that's kinda'... horrifying? Disgusting? Disdainful. Need-to-be-locked-up. Etc., so forth, so on.
Post by: Bauglir on October 18, 2013, 01:13:24 am
Quote from: Jason Bulmahn, Game Designer
Spent a part of my morning tying my mouse to my hand by the cord and figuring out how tricky it was to get the thing back in my hand. Its not impossible... but its not a swift action.
Downgrading a professional adventurer's equipment on the grounds of implausibility, based on the evidence of a professional writer's manual dexterity. I'm just... wow.
Post by: NobodyPro on October 18, 2013, 01:16:29 am
Post by: Lightningfalcon on October 18, 2013, 01:49:44 am
Healthy food is racist. (http://www.mcgilldaily.com/2013/10/the-racism-in-healthy-food/)Read about a third of the article. He has what could be a few good points, but he still seems to be saying that fast food is racist because historically cheap food has been grown on stolen land worked by slave labour.
Oh wait, finished reading the rest of the article.
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The slogan strikes at the heart of the mistaken assumption that weight and health are intrinsically linkedWhile I agree we shouldn't shame people who are overweight, as it isn't something that a person can just change instantly, it isn't something that should be ignored. There is VERY MUCH a link between weight and health. I will say more in the morning.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 18, 2013, 01:50:33 am
Healthy food is racist. (http://www.mcgilldaily.com/2013/10/the-racism-in-healthy-food/)They actually make some good points about American health culture. But that third point about Americans eating the same amount of bad food is patently ridiculous. Someone's been payed off by McDonalds.
Post by: Gentlefish on October 18, 2013, 02:09:06 am
and also they linked wheat to obese kids in the recession when they were also starving. I'll have to hunt that one down.
Post by: Helgoland on October 18, 2013, 08:00:33 am
Sorry for bringing back this topic, but it popped up in another thread as well - why not legalize zoophilia? If it isn't a mental illness (and we should think thrice about the implications of calling it that), I basically see no difference to the legalization of homosexuality, BDSM, transgenderism (do you call it that?), only that it affects a much smaller segment of the population (you see the progression in the examples).The stupid part is that they are twisting the words of real civil rights leaders to suit their questionable cause.Warning: really disturbing. If you can't tell what's disturbing about it, look at the tags at the bottom of the picture.I don't get the connection.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fucking animals isn't a great leap in learning. It's just... what it is.
You know like how Macklemore says "Human rights for everybody/There is no difference" about comparing gay rights to 60s movements for various races? Well, this is the same idea, except this time, it's wrong.
Yes, I'm sure not being discriminated against and forced to work for two cents an hour is the same as fucking animals.
(And again for the record: I ain't no dirty sheephumpin' commie liberal. I be a dirty commie liberal though ;) )
Post by: NobodyPro on October 18, 2013, 08:06:19 am
Sorry for bringing back this topic, but it popped up in another thread as well - why not legalize zoophilia? If it isn't a mental illness (and we should think thrice about the implications of calling it that), I basically see no difference to the legalization of homosexuality, BDSM, transgenderism (do you call it that?), only that it affects a much smaller segment of the population (you see the progression in the examples).I've lurked /tg/ enough to know this debate. A large part is that an animal cannot give consent (body language is open to interpretation).
(And again for the record: I ain't no dirty sheephumpin' commie liberal. I be a dirty commie liberal though ;) )
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 08:10:55 am
Post by: Rose on October 18, 2013, 08:14:54 am
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 08:21:20 am
I'unno, it does sort of fit in with the general western trend of sex somehow being exponentially worse than violence...
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2013, 08:27:15 am
You can violently murder them, skin them, and consume their flesh, without people batting an eyelash or asking if they want to be murdered, skinned, and ate (not that that would matter, as the laws generally disallow that even with consent, iirc), but frisky times come up and suddenly everyone's in jail. Consistency!
I'unno, it does sort of fit in with the general western trend of sex somehow being exponentially worse than violence...
You're not allowed to violently murder animals in progressive countries.
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 08:32:00 am
Post by: LordSlowpoke on October 18, 2013, 08:32:40 am
Not to mention that said "intercourse" often causes physical damage to animals, so yeah, it's definitely animal abuse.You can violently murder them, skin them, and consume their flesh, without people batting an eyelash or asking if they want to be murdered, skinned, and ate (not that that would matter, as the laws generally disallow that even with consent, iirc), but frisky times come up and suddenly everyone's in jail. Consistency!
I'unno, it does sort of fit in with the general western trend of sex somehow being exponentially worse than violence...
You're not allowed to violently murder animals in progressive countries.
interesting. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aspects_of_ritual_slaughter)
or is that not violent enough for your personal taste?
Post by: Flying Dice on October 18, 2013, 08:57:27 am
... huh. I wasn't aware of any countries that have made blanket hunting bans. Got a list?Funny thing, sometimes we can't always get the legislation we want (though quite a few focused laws--the international ban on whaling, the British ban on fox hunting, etc. have passed). Especially when you're in the U.S. and have to contend with the NRA.
S'like saying that Ponzi schemes should be legal because reckless speculation on the stock market hasn't been banned. Just because one form of harm still has public support doesn't mean that other forms of harm should be allowed. That aside, you're ignoring a hell of a lot of work that's gone into humanizing the meat industry, which may be just a tad more important than hunting bans when it comes to limiting harm.
(On a personal note, I don't particularly like it, because, put bluntly, animals aren't capable of consent. It's objectionable for the same reason that sex with children and the mentally handicapped is objectionable, albeit on a lesser level, given that they are, y'know, animals. Though there's also a difference between "dumb" animals [to use the stereotype, sheep] versus animals of human or near-human intelligence; in the latter case, I think that it's best to hedge bets and treat them as people who lack the ability or capacity to give consent.)
Post by: Shakerag on October 18, 2013, 09:06:00 am
You can violently murder them, skin them, and consume their flesh, without people batting an eyelash or asking if they want to be murdered, skinned, and ate (not that that would matter, as the laws generally disallow that even with consent, iirc), but frisky times come up and suddenly everyone's in jail. Consistency!THIS. ALL OF MY THIS.
I'unno, it does sort of fit in with the general western trend of sex somehow being exponentially worse than violence...
You're not allowed to violently murder animals in progressive countries.You've never seen the inside of a slaughterhouse I take it? Or what they do to all the male chicks in egg farms?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 09:07:46 am
interesting. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aspects_of_ritual_slaughter)Most ritual slaughter is surprisingly non violent. In many instances the animals are stunned before the slaughter, but even unstunned the suffering is limited.
or is that not violent enough for your personal taste?
After all, it's a professional slaughterer who uses a single incision across the throat, cutting through all veins and arteries. IIRC, With such a blood loss, the animal looses consciousness within 30 seconds and often much sooner.
I have. Animals are either stunned using either electrics or gas, and then slaughtered. And while the treatment of male chicks might seem horrible, it's both efficient and causes little suffering. (A rapid spinning blender kills instantly. They don't see it coming.)You're not allowed to violently murder animals in progressive countries.You've never seen the inside of a slaughterhouse I take it? Or what they do to all the male chicks in egg farms?
Post by: Bauglir on October 18, 2013, 09:17:42 am
EDIT: About the worst it gets is kosher slaughter, since the animal is required to be aware at the time. In the absence of religious requirements, I believe the standard is to render the animal unconscious.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 09:21:03 am
Post by: IronTomato on October 18, 2013, 09:23:13 am
PorcWhat's porc?
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 09:23:58 am
The argument made usually doesn't hinge on harm*, though, but rather consent. It doesn't really matter how humane you make the meat industry (or anything involving quite a bit... pets, reserves, there's just this whole swath of massively consent violating activities we don't even blink at.) it's still necessarily violating the concept of consent -- further, it flies in the face of how we treat entities that can consent, because we don't legally allow people to let themselves be eaten... hunted, killed at all (though that is loosening a bit, in some situations), corralled into limited spaces (generally concentration camp/native reserve type things are fairly condemned, at least from what I've seen.), etc., so forth, so on. Hell, society in general (and most people) even frown on or intervene with pet-like interaction between humans. More involved there than just appeal to the numbers, but... yeah.
Which is why, if I were going to argue against zoophilia on a moral basis, I wouldn't be using consent as a basis for my argument. It's incredibly obvious we, as a species**, do not actually give a shit about whether animals do or do not give consent (or at least only care when it's not inconvenient :-\). S'why I have a minor compulsion to poke at the argument when it comes up, because it's almost painfully obvious those arguing from the position of consent are incredibly rarely doing so in good faith. They don't apply the heuristic even remotely consistently, and it's... annoying? I guess.
After all, it's a professional slaughterer who uses a single incision across the throat, cutting through all veins and arteries. IIRC, With such a blood loss, the animal looses consciousness within 30 seconds and often much sooner.If that were done to a human, we'd still consider it fairly violent murder, in most situations :P
What's porc?Pig. Swine. Pork. Porc.
*That's actually an easier one to make, but considerably more limited in potential scope. As scriv rightfully mentioned, cross species interaction of that sort can often lead to damage. Problem being for those wishing to universally condemn the practice is that not all interaction does, and if you were trying to stick to a consistent justification pattern you'd have to allow the edge cases.
** And from what I've seen it's an incredibly rare individual that actually consistently cares about consent.
Post by: IronTomato on October 18, 2013, 09:28:12 am
I know what pork is, but but I didn't know what porc was. Or if there was a difference, or that porc was a real word.What's porc?Pig. Swine. Pork. Porc.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 09:36:40 am
It is. It's French though. If only English could be consistent while stealing other nations vocabulary.I know what pork is, but but I didn't know what porc was. Or if there was a difference, or that porc was a real word.What's porc?Pig. Swine. Pork. Porc.
Post by: Bauglir on October 18, 2013, 10:10:21 am
There certainly is a lot of hypocrisy in how we treat entities that can consent**, but I feel like the meat industry is not hypocritical, even given an opposition to zoophilia, at least if the industry is compliant with the standards we've been talking about. Those standards are basically a claim that there are acceptable ways to kill an animal for its resources, but no acceptable way to abuse an animal (that is to say, cause unnecessary harm). The protracted suffering of nonconsensual sex and the payoff of orgasms, vs the fast and nearly-painless suffering of slaughter and the payoff of all the animal products, seems to me to create a very large gulf between the two scenarios.
The argument doesn't extend to humans because humans are assumed to be so valuable that murder is never worth that payoff, no matter how humane. Essentially, it seems like the claim is that the mind's inherent value is distinct from the value of the pain it can feel. The ratio of the former to the latter is assumed to be much lower in cows than in humans. If you don't buy that, then you won't agree with the conclusion, but it's still an internally consistent one.
*There's also suicide, which is the equivalent of masturbation in this analogy, and I'll admit that consent is crucial in that one.
**While I agree with most of your examples, the concentration camp thing is kind of odd. The people in the camps usually don't consent.
EDIT: tl;dr version. I think it's okay to say, "You can kill animals for resources, just don't be a dick about it." Zoophilia often falls in the category of "being a dick".
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 18, 2013, 10:11:08 am
You can't create a global language without breaking a few consonant sounds. I do wonder what English will be like after it's engulfed everything, since all signs point to its spread being unstoppable.It is. It's French though. If only English could be consistent while stealing other nations vocabulary.I know what pork is, but but I didn't know what porc was. Or if there was a difference, or that porc was a real word.What's porc?Pig. Swine. Pork. Porc.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 10:17:22 am
So there'll be no unified sound of English, just a hundred variants.
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2013, 10:19:56 am
... huh. I wasn't aware of any countries that have made blanket hunting bans. Got a list?
Hunting, in any country that is progressive in regards to animal rights, require the hunter to at least aim for the head or to make a lethal shot. If it could be proven that a hunter consequently strives for causing prolonged suffering in his prey, he could be prosecuted for animal abuse. That it would be hard be hard to prove is beyond the question.
You're not allowed to violently murder animals in progressive countries.
interesting. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aspects_of_ritual_slaughter)
or is that not violent enough for your personal taste?
No progressive country allows ritual slaughter like that of kosher or halal. If a country allows it, it is not a progressive country when it comes to animal rights.
And regardless, killing animals is necessary for the procuring of meat, which, as you very well know, is one of our main sources for protein, which we need to live. Our want for food outweighs the ending of the animals' life (and - as said - any progressive country demands the suffering of the animals to be kept to a minimum). Harming animals is not even necessary for the zoophiliac to get an orgasm, he can literally take that matter into his own hands. His want to fuck them does not outweigh the harm done to the animals.
You're not allowed to violently murder animals in progressive countries.You've never seen the inside of a slaughterhouse I take it? Or what they do to all the male chicks in egg farms?
And here you're faced with the terrible realisation that your country might not be a particularly progressive one.
You can violently murder them, skin them, and consume their flesh, without people batting an eyelash or asking if they want to be murdered, skinned, and ate (not that that would matter, as the laws generally disallow that even with consent, iirc), but frisky times come up and suddenly everyone's in jail. Consistency!
I'unno, it does sort of fit in with the general western trend of sex somehow being exponentially worse than violence...
This is an American trend, not a "general western" one.
Post by: Darvi on October 18, 2013, 10:24:33 am
Post by: Helgoland on October 18, 2013, 10:25:05 am
One thing that I noticed: We all seem to take for granted that zoophilia hurts the animal. Is that necessarily the case?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 10:25:21 am
scriver, by your definitions no country is progressive, making 'progressive' a useless word...Legally, yes. Technically, I wouldn't know.
One thing that I noticed: We all seem to take for granted that zoophilia hurts the animal. Is that necessarily the case?
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 18, 2013, 10:25:36 am
Post by: Bauglir on October 18, 2013, 10:30:56 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 18, 2013, 10:35:28 am
And here you're faced with the terrible realisation that your country might not be a particularly progressive one.Tell me something new.
Post by: RedKing on October 18, 2013, 10:36:20 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 10:40:32 am
But a progressive country also respects and protects the religious and cultural traditions of its minorities, does it not? Banning kosher/halal slaughter could be seen as religious persecution.It certainly will be seen.
The fact that animal welfare activists like to draw references to the Holocaust, and that the Nazi regime also forbid ritual slaughter aren't helping much.
Additionally, there's not much proof that ritual slaughter is actually that inhumane. A properly executed procedure results in rapid unconsciousness and death within the minute (With certain governments implementing laws that require stunning if death doesn't happen soon enough. Stunned animals are no longer kosher/halal though.) Also, according to some unsourced/proritual slaughter documents I found on Wikipedia, prestunning fails 10% of the time.
Post by: SealyStar on October 18, 2013, 10:50:15 am
Healthy food is racist. (http://www.mcgilldaily.com/2013/10/the-racism-in-healthy-food/)What is this, The Social Justice Times?
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 10:50:44 am
Hunting, in any country that is progressive in regards to animal rights, require the hunter to at least aim for the head or to make a lethal shot.So, uh. You're saying it wouldn't be violent murder if you killed a human with a head or otherwise lethal shot? Just to, like. Make sure I'm reading that right?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 10:52:47 am
I don't think it's unreasonable to bring up consent, because it's not the sole element of an act's morality. It's one of many elements that go into working out exactly what a given act means. Consent is the difference between rape and one of the most pleasant things a human can experience, yeah. But applied to death, it's the difference between murder and a heroic sacrifice*, and both of those are considered bad things to have to happen, even if the latter can be said to be worth it.
There certainly is a lot of hypocrisy in how we treat entities that can consent**, but I feel like the meat industry is not hypocritical, even given an opposition to zoophilia, at least if the industry is compliant with the standards we've been talking about. Those standards are basically a claim that there are acceptable ways to kill an animal for its resources, but no acceptable way to abuse an animal (that is to say, cause unnecessary harm). The protracted suffering of nonconsensual sex and the payoff of orgasms, vs the fast and nearly-painless suffering of slaughter and the payoff of all the animal products, seems to me to create a very large gulf between the two scenarios.
The argument doesn't extend to humans because humans are assumed to be so valuable that murder is never worth that payoff, no matter how humane. Essentially, it seems like the claim is that the mind's inherent value is distinct from the value of the pain it can feel. The ratio of the former to the latter is assumed to be much lower in cows than in humans. If you don't buy that, then you won't agree with the conclusion, but it's still an internally consistent one.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 18, 2013, 10:54:12 am
But a progressive country also respects and protects the religious and cultural traditions of its minorities, does it not? Banning kosher/halal slaughter could be seen as religious persecution.It's good to allow for religious freedom, so long as it does not mean making exceptions to secular law for it. You can't just be permitted to do whatever you want because your religion tells you to. That way madness lies.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 11:00:38 am
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2013, 11:06:14 am
scriver, by your definitions no country is progressive, making 'progressive' a useless word...
One thing that I noticed: We all seem to take for granted that zoophilia hurts the animal. Is that necessarily the case?
...No. A "progressive" country is what progressives want to progress towards. It is the very reason it is called "progressivism".
And yes, it is very often the case, sometimes depending on the animal in question, but mostly it leaves damage. I remember that before Sweden made bestiality a crime (which was really, really recently, speaking of whether our countries are progressive or not), veterinarians complained about having to treat such obvious cases of animals having been hurt by humans fucking them and then not really having any way to stop it.
@Scriver: Can we get an example of a progressive country. Because the goalposts are rapidly accelerating now, and soon there might be no countries left.
There has been no moving of goalposts. Whether a country is "progressive" or not is not a matter of all or nothing - it can be progressive in some matters but not in others. That is basic logic and understanding. I did say "is not a progressive country", but the context of this whole discussion has been bestiality and animal rights. It shouldn't really need clarification that I mean "is not a progressive country in matters of animal rights", yet I added that part anyway in my last post to make it even clearer.
Scriver, I'm with you on ritual slaughter being bad, but we all know what you really mean by "progressive country". You're describing Swedish law almost verbatim.
Sweden, while having a lot of issues in other matters, does have one of the world's most progressive animal rights laws, yes. But it is certainly not perfect and there is definitely a lot of changes that should be made. The fact that bestiality was just criminalized a few years ago is very relevant in that matter.
But a progressive country also respects and protects the religious and cultural traditions of its minorities, does it not? Banning kosher/halal slaughter could be seen as religious persecution.
It can be seen that way. But part of progress is leaving harmful, immoral, or outdated traditions behind. "It's my religion/tradition!" is irrelevant when you want to cause harm and pain to animals. Their suffering outweighs whatever validation people might get from having followed ancient, thoughtless traditions.
Hunting, in any country that is progressive in regards to animal rights, require the hunter to at least aim for the head or to make a lethal shot.So, uh. You're saying it wouldn't be violent murder if you killed a human with a head or otherwise lethal shot? Just to, like. Make sure I'm reading that right?
You know this isn't true and are acting intentionally dense.
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 11:35:02 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 11:43:21 am
*scratches head* Then what were you saying, scriv? You seemed to be saying that a clean kill somehow changes the nature of the act, or that violent murder necessitates... I'unno, torture or mutilation? Clarify?He's saying that there's a significant difference in value between humans and animals. In fact, both legally and morally*, you can't murder an animal. You can kill it, you can cause it nessecairy harm, but you can't murder it.
It's a point I'm pretty sure you should get, but I have the feeling you're actively trying to ignore.
*For a majority of the population
Edit: I'm not saying the above is what it should be, but in the light of this discussion it's a fact, not something that's part of what should be discussed.
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 11:53:35 am
Point I'd make, and point that bugs me, is that it's inconsistent. People are willing to allow folks to violently kill an animal -- and barely blink at it -- but balk at acts that involve considerably less harm. It's a pretty direct equivalent to saying that murder is okay, but sex isn't.
Now, you can say that the harm the sex can cause isn't acceptable -- and I'd definitely agree -- but if that degree of harm isn't acceptable then greater degrees are also unacceptable, yes? If you're trying to be consistent about it, anyway.
T'me, what Scriv's saying is that a clean kill -- somehow -- reduces the harm done to the animal to such a degree that it's less harm than is done by intercourse, and because of that (that it's under some threshold of harm), it's acceptable. I could definitely be misinterpreting -- and if so, no, it's not willful -- which is why I asked for clarification.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 12:01:22 pm
Besides, I don't know about the USA or actually any other country, but I believe that most hunting in Belgium is used as population control, hence having a purpose, which sexual intercourse with an animal technically doesn't.
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 18, 2013, 12:05:08 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 12:06:20 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 18, 2013, 12:06:41 pm
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 12:07:23 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 18, 2013, 12:08:28 pm
Also I guess it would be okay if it was alive during but unconscious by this logic? (and then killed after)
Right?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 12:09:57 pm
Pretty much.Nope. Still abuse. After all it didn't give consent and stuff.
Also I guess it would be okay if it was alive during but unconscious by this logic? (and then killed after)
Right?
But yeah, the law's a mess.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 18, 2013, 12:15:55 pm
Most of the double standard comes from the "eww gross" crowd. A slightly more reasonable argument is population control and food having better justification for harming the animal (and the latter only makes sense if hunting is for some reason economical due to other food scarcity or something; arguing it's not okay to hurt an animal for pleasure one way but not another is silly).
Post by: Xantalos on October 18, 2013, 12:17:49 pm
Not sure if this is being addressed, but we're assuming the relations are male human/female animal, are we not?
Because they go both ways.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 18, 2013, 12:24:51 pm
Still doesn't count as consent, if that's why you're bringing it up.
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 18, 2013, 12:35:44 pm
Esp. in regards to an animal that's about to be killed without it's consent anyway.
Post by: miauw62 on October 18, 2013, 12:45:58 pm
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Post by: Descan on October 18, 2013, 01:14:06 pm
Some countries (mostly Commonwealth. Canada, I think Britain, Australia too) allow Sikhs and other turban wearers to wear a turban instead of a bicycle helmet.But a progressive country also respects and protects the religious and cultural traditions of its minorities, does it not? Banning kosher/halal slaughter could be seen as religious persecution.It's good to allow for religious freedom, so long as it does not mean making exceptions to secular law for it. You can't just be permitted to do whatever you want because your religion tells you to. That way madness lies.
Post by: Dutchling on October 18, 2013, 01:27:56 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 18, 2013, 01:29:16 pm
That doesn't sound safe to me.It isn't. That's the stupid.
Post by: Xantalos on October 18, 2013, 01:31:12 pm
Depends on how thick it is.Inb4 turban afro
I mean, if they wore a so-thick-you-cannot-stay-balanced one, it'd be safe. Excluding the fact you'd fall over all the time.
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 01:36:53 pm
... checking, it looks like the current law where I'm at is that's true only for people under 16. Silly USA.
Post by: Descan on October 18, 2013, 01:44:03 pm
Also known as "Sanity Land".
Anyway, no, they did tests and the average turban does not have the protective power of a helmet to absorb the shock of a head injury.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 18, 2013, 01:53:23 pm
Post by: smirk on October 18, 2013, 01:57:55 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 18, 2013, 02:04:31 pm
I don't see much reason to make adults wear helmets. They know the risks enough to choose whether or not to take the chance.If society is directly or indirectly footing the healthcare bills and disability pensions, I think there's a good case to be made in favor of the law. Same with seatbelts.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 18, 2013, 02:13:05 pm
The problem with that is that it leads to either hypocrisy or oppressive laws. If you accept the argument that the government can prevent informed adults from doing things detrimental to their health due to healthcare costs, then what's the limit? Why are helmets and seatbelts required, but cigarettes and unhealthy food legal? The latter are far more likely to harm and kill you than neglecting the former. Most people are never involved in an auto accident, but most people are overweight. And since making it illegal won't actually stop it, how badly do you have to have treated yourself before you can be kicked out of the system and left to your own fate? Why should we as a society curtail your personal freedoms in the name of money?I don't see much reason to make adults wear helmets. They know the risks enough to choose whether or not to take the chance.If society is directly or indirectly footing the healthcare bills and disability pensions, I think there's a good case to be made in favor of the law. Same with seatbelts.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 02:17:02 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 18, 2013, 02:59:59 pm
But why does consent matter?In this case, when we're dealing with animals that display clear signs of near-human intelligence: whales, dolphins, apes, octopi, etc. There's a pretty big difference between animals that could conceivably understand what's happening on some level and animals that are more or less mindless instinct-driven grazers. This covers roughly the same category that pretty much all leftists want to ban the killing of outright, for various reasons.
Esp. in regards to an animal that's about to be killed without it's consent anyway.
In other words, there's a difference between killing an animal that could reasonably be construed as being of what we think of as sapience and one that isn't, and there is therefore also a difference between fucking an animal in the former category as opposed to one in the latter. The former will always be unacceptable because you're killing/raping what might be a person, the latter is acceptable when harm is minimized and the benefits of doing so exceed the cost of causing harm.
From there, it's fairly obvious. Killing dumb animals for food in a humane manner is acceptable because the benefits (easy, plentiful source of protein &c), while fucking them is not (you don't need to cause harm to get an orgasm). Mind, I'm not saying that zoophiles are morally wrong simply for having their predilection, but when acting on it causes harm it become an issue. S'not any different from any other type or subtype of sexuality: it's all well and good unless you're harming another being against their consent.
Cigarettes are not going to last long, not in Europe anyway. And there has been talk about reducing healthcare refunds for obese people/Ah, now I've having fond dreams about what it would take for that in the States. It's silly to treat one unhealthy habit as if it were completely uncontrollable while regulating others heavily.
Unrelated: Saw a username today (elsewhere) that read thus:
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Post by: Graknorke on October 18, 2013, 03:12:24 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 18, 2013, 03:18:01 pm
Eating meat is actually pretty inefficient. In terms of effort:nutrients produced you'd be better off just eating plants.True. It's also true that meat consumption is an established cultural norm virtually everywhere. It's better to first make societal attitudes as morally optimal as is practical and possible before attempting to effect a dramatic change.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 03:41:54 pm
Meat does contain some essential proteins though. Which can be replaced thanks to Insects. (Also, I'm pretty sure that eating insects might be more efficient than eating plants. An insect converts more than 90% of it's input to biomass, and are much easier to digest than plants.)Eating meat is actually pretty inefficient. In terms of effort:nutrients produced you'd be better off just eating plants.True. It's also true that meat consumption is an established cultural norm virtually everywhere. It's better to first make societal attitudes as morally optimal as is practical and possible before attempting to effect a dramatic change.
Do note that nothing more has happened than preliminary talks. Bureaucracy and all that.Cigarettes are not going to last long, not in Europe anyway. And there has been talk about reducing healthcare refunds for obese people/Ah, now I've having fond dreams about what it would take for that in the States. It's silly to treat one unhealthy habit as if it were completely uncontrollable while regulating others heavily.
It's kind-off feared that reducing healthcare funds for the obese would cause a spike in poverty.
Post by: miauw62 on October 18, 2013, 03:59:49 pm
But eeeewwww insects!Meat does contain some essential proteins though. Which can be replaced thanks to Insects. (Also, I'm pretty sure that eating insects might be more efficient than eating plants. An insect converts more than 90% of it's input to biomass, and are much easier to digest than plants.)Eating meat is actually pretty inefficient. In terms of effort:nutrients produced you'd be better off just eating plants.True. It's also true that meat consumption is an established cultural norm virtually everywhere. It's better to first make societal attitudes as morally optimal as is practical and possible before attempting to effect a dramatic change.
Seriously though, I'm rather disgusted by most insects, but if children were raised eating insects like it's normal, that would probably be pretty good.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 18, 2013, 04:03:49 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 18, 2013, 04:24:27 pm
Cicadas are pretty good. I imagine grasshoppers are much the same, and from what I hear ants are good as well. Again from personal experience, some grubs are scrumptious. Mealworms taste rather nasty, though. The only issue is designing and building the infrastructure we'd need to fully replace the meat industry with insect farms. But yes, once you process and shape it, you could probably have "meat" that looks and tastes like meat, but is made of insects.But eeeewwww insects!Meat does contain some essential proteins though. Which can be replaced thanks to Insects. (Also, I'm pretty sure that eating insects might be more efficient than eating plants. An insect converts more than 90% of it's input to biomass, and are much easier to digest than plants.)Eating meat is actually pretty inefficient. In terms of effort:nutrients produced you'd be better off just eating plants.True. It's also true that meat consumption is an established cultural norm virtually everywhere. It's better to first make societal attitudes as morally optimal as is practical and possible before attempting to effect a dramatic change.
Seriously though, I'm rather disgusted by most insects, but if children were raised eating insects like it's normal, that would probably be pretty good.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 18, 2013, 04:40:40 pm
Cigarettes are not going to last long, not in Europe anyway. And there has been talk about reducing healthcare refunds for obese people/Ah, now I've having fond dreams about what it would take for that in the States. It's silly to treat one unhealthy habit as if it were completely uncontrollable while regulating others heavily.
Well, smoking is one of those things that's both unhealthy for the person doing it and unhealthy and/or unpleasant for the people around them. Which is why a lot of places are moving to ban smoking in public areas. I know smoking is much less common in California than some other parts of the country, in large part due to the fact that California laws make Smoking a giant pain to do in addition to being rather expensive due to taxes.
To the point where I really notice how much smoking happens when I go to other states.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 18, 2013, 04:45:27 pm
Cigarettes are not going to last long, not in Europe anyway. And there has been talk about reducing healthcare refunds for obese people/Ah, now I've having fond dreams about what it would take for that in the States. It's silly to treat one unhealthy habit as if it were completely uncontrollable while regulating others heavily.
Well, smoking is one of those things that's both unhealthy for the person doing it and unhealthy and/or unpleasant for the people around them. Which is why a lot of places are moving to ban smoking in public areas. I know smoking is much less common in California than some other parts of the country, in large part due to the fact that California laws make Smoking a giant pain to do in addition to being rather expensive due to taxes.
To the point where I really notice how much smoking happens when I go to other states.
I was talking about (voluntary) obesity. Obviously you shouldn't be penalized if you're one of the rare individuals with a glandular condition, but taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize and enable someone's overeating any more than they should have to do the same for their smoking, alcoholism, drug use, etc.
Post by: da_nang on October 18, 2013, 04:48:05 pm
If they want to tackle that they'd do a better job fixing the food prices. All the healthy stuff's just getting more and more expensive.Cigarettes are not going to last long, not in Europe anyway. And there has been talk about reducing healthcare refunds for obese people/Ah, now I've having fond dreams about what it would take for that in the States. It's silly to treat one unhealthy habit as if it were completely uncontrollable while regulating others heavily.
Well, smoking is one of those things that's both unhealthy for the person doing it and unhealthy and/or unpleasant for the people around them. Which is why a lot of places are moving to ban smoking in public areas. I know smoking is much less common in California than some other parts of the country, in large part due to the fact that California laws make Smoking a giant pain to do in addition to being rather expensive due to taxes.
To the point where I really notice how much smoking happens when I go to other states.
I was talking about (voluntary) obesity. Obviously you shouldn't be penalized if you're one of the rare individuals with a glandular condition, but taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize and enable someone's overeating any more than they should have to do the same for their smoking, alcoholism, drug use, etc.
On a related note, it boggles my mind as to why the EU is A-OK with smoking but not snus.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 18, 2013, 04:50:29 pm
In this case, when we're dealing with animals that display clear signs of near-human intelligence: whales, dolphins, apes, octopi, etc.you're forgetting the pig.
Post by: Durin Stronginthearm on October 18, 2013, 04:55:12 pm
Cigarettes are not going to last long, not in Europe anyway. And there has been talk about reducing healthcare refunds for obese people/Ah, now I've having fond dreams about what it would take for that in the States. It's silly to treat one unhealthy habit as if it were completely uncontrollable while regulating others heavily.
Well, smoking is one of those things that's both unhealthy for the person doing it and unhealthy and/or unpleasant for the people around them. Which is why a lot of places are moving to ban smoking in public areas. I know smoking is much less common in California than some other parts of the country, in large part due to the fact that California laws make Smoking a giant pain to do in addition to being rather expensive due to taxes.
To the point where I really notice how much smoking happens when I go to other states.
I was talking about (voluntary) obesity. Obviously you shouldn't be penalized if you're one of the rare individuals with a glandular condition, but taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize and enable someone's overeating any more than they should have to do the same for their smoking, alcoholism, drug use, etc.
The problem with that argument is that pretty much everyone has at least one vice or risky habit of some sort. Should taxpayers subsidise the healthcare of people who participate in dangerous sports? Or people who like live music - why should tapayers foot the bill for treating their hearing loss, or injuries from moshpits? What about people who live in areas with high crime - shouldn't they pay more taxes towards policing?
Eventually, everyone ends up in some 'undesirable' category. Plus, I would think it's better to treat the cause, rather than penalise the effect.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 18, 2013, 05:43:52 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 18, 2013, 05:44:56 pm
Slippery slope fallacy
Because there is a slope?
Post by: Darvi on October 18, 2013, 05:47:50 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 18, 2013, 07:15:05 pm
Cigarettes are not going to last long, not in Europe anyway. And there has been talk about reducing healthcare refunds for obese people/Ah, now I've having fond dreams about what it would take for that in the States. It's silly to treat one unhealthy habit as if it were completely uncontrollable while regulating others heavily.
Well, smoking is one of those things that's both unhealthy for the person doing it and unhealthy and/or unpleasant for the people around them. Which is why a lot of places are moving to ban smoking in public areas. I know smoking is much less common in California than some other parts of the country, in large part due to the fact that California laws make Smoking a giant pain to do in addition to being rather expensive due to taxes.
To the point where I really notice how much smoking happens when I go to other states.
I was talking about (voluntary) obesity. Obviously you shouldn't be penalized if you're one of the rare individuals with a glandular condition, but taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize and enable someone's overeating any more than they should have to do the same for their smoking, alcoholism, drug use, etc.
The problem with that argument is that pretty much everyone has at least one vice or risky habit of some sort. Should taxpayers subsidise the healthcare of people who participate in dangerous sports? Or people who like live music - why should tapayers foot the bill for treating their hearing loss, or injuries from moshpits? What about people who live in areas with high crime - shouldn't they pay more taxes towards policing?
Eventually, everyone ends up in some 'undesirable' category. Plus, I would think it's better to treat the cause, rather than penalise the effect.
Slippery slope fallacy
What Chairmain said. There's a sight of difference between doing something which has the potential to result in injury and doing something which has been exhaustively documented as causing serious medical problems in all but a few rare cases.
Yes. And good riddance, turkey bacon tastes better and is even more savory because you know that turkeys are metaphorical assholes.In this case, when we're dealing with animals that display clear signs of near-human intelligence: whales, dolphins, apes, octopi, etc.you're forgetting the pig.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 18, 2013, 07:21:30 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on October 18, 2013, 07:30:39 pm
Post by: Owlbread on October 18, 2013, 07:31:54 pm
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 07:32:05 pm
That said, pigs are in the same category as chickens for me (i.e., will happily eat me given an opportunity), while I'm less sure of turkey's man eating proclivities. Not sure where they weigh in on metaphorical seasoning.
But yeah, you can take my meat. I can get over that. You try to take my cheese and we're gonna' have a rumble.
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The best bacon [...] crispyStatement veracity automatically invalidated.
Post by: Gentlefish on October 18, 2013, 07:32:46 pm
that's factually wrong. few things taste better than bacon, and all of them are parts of a pig's corpse. or cheese.
Actually that's factually wrong. After not eating prok products for a while and getting a bacon surprise in a turkey pita, and also forgetting that sausage is pork because I had been consuming beef sausages, both occasions made me sick. The sausage more than bacon, but the bacon actually tasted pretty bad.
Also Bacon Bits brand bacon bits are vegan and literally the best bits ever in a chicken cheddar spinach cranberry salad.
Turkey's where it's at.
TRIPLE NINJA WOAH
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 18, 2013, 07:56:06 pm
joking aside, i really feel bad for what we do to pigs. they are highly intelligent social creatures, they are self aware and form emotional bonds, i think we can't really go much more wrong... and yet, the only reason i feel comfortable defending this position is because i have absolutely no confidence that the consumption of pork will ever be banned in my lifetime, i simply adore the taste of the filthy bastards, and it's about the only meat i can afford on a regular basis. i still think we could afford to treat them more humanely, though
Post by: Darvi on October 18, 2013, 08:00:35 pm
Post by: Owlbread on October 18, 2013, 08:02:22 pm
The best bacon [...] crispyStatement veracity automatically invalidated.
What's your beef with crispy bacon?
Post by: Gentlefish on October 18, 2013, 08:03:42 pm
Post by: BlackFlyme on October 18, 2013, 08:04:34 pm
Do not want. After an... Incident at the factory involving scratch-and-sniff stickers, I can no longer stand the smell of the bacon.
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2013, 08:11:08 pm
come on guys, don't be hypocrites, just accept the self evident premise that any of your gustatory opinions that contradict mine are factually wrong.
joking aside, i really feel bad for what we do to pigs. they are highly intelligent social creatures, they are self aware and form emotional bonds, i think we can't really go much more wrong... and yet, the only reason i feel comfortable defending this position is because i have absolutely no confidence that the consumption of pork will ever be banned in my lifetime, i simply adore the taste of the filthy bastards, and it's about the only meat i can afford on a regular basis. i still think we could afford to treat them more humanely, though
Step one: ban the practice of cutting of life's tails. Oh, but then they chew each others' tails off you say and get infected? Well, hypothetical strawman pigfarmer, if your pigs can't even live without being so stressed out they routinely chew pieces off of one another then you're not doing it right.
Oh well. If it would only work that way.
Post by: Owlbread on October 18, 2013, 08:14:35 pm
I did see Ray Mears cook a fish in some soil or something once but such things are wizardry to me.
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2013, 09:08:42 pm
What's your beef with crispy bacon?Nothing, per se, but calling crispy bacon -- of any sort -- the best bacon... well.
I guess maybe the best bacon you've ever had. My... my condolences. If you're ever somehow in the florida panhandle, give me a ring. I might be able to hook you up.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 18, 2013, 09:19:46 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 18, 2013, 09:35:32 pm
Post by: Owlbread on October 18, 2013, 09:35:52 pm
I guess maybe the best bacon you've ever had. My... my condolences. If you're ever somehow in the florida panhandle, give me a ring. I might be able to hook you up.
Spoiler: Bacon in the UK is a kind of flabby monstrosity. (click to show/hide)
Essentially, anything is better than that.
Post by: Descan on October 18, 2013, 10:18:39 pm
Post by: BlackFlyme on October 18, 2013, 10:32:14 pm
Flabby Monstrosity
Now that I think about it, I can no longer stand the sight of bacon either.
Post by: Xantalos on October 18, 2013, 10:34:22 pm
Make bacon out of your eyes. Problem = solve.
Flabby Monstrosity
Now that I think about it, I can no longer stand the sight of bacon either.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 18, 2013, 10:58:32 pm
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Post by: BlackFlyme on October 19, 2013, 01:07:06 am
The Guardian: Cupcakes are butter-iced snares of self-loathing that sell precisely because they exploit young women's insecurity about their looks and identity, and offer a completely false and self-defeating solace of temporary gratification, almost certainly followed by remorse and disgust. (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/18/trouble-with-cupcakes)
Such an innocent little title they have there.
Such an obviously well researched story as well.
I should reward them by sending them some
Though reading the staff comments makes me think it was written as a joke.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 19, 2013, 01:48:34 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 19, 2013, 01:49:43 am
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 19, 2013, 01:56:05 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 19, 2013, 02:00:53 am
Not with a bang, but a whimper?ಠ_ಠ
Post by: Graknorke on October 19, 2013, 04:27:17 am
It's an opinion piece that isn't meant to be taken too seriously.The Guardian: Cupcakes are butter-iced snares of self-loathing that sell precisely because they exploit young women's insecurity about their looks and identity, and offer a completely false and self-defeating solace of temporary gratification, almost certainly followed by remorse and disgust. (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/18/trouble-with-cupcakes)
Such an innocent little title they have there.
Such an obviously well researched story as well.
I should reward them by sending them somevomit inducersbacon scented scratch-and-sniff stickers
Though reading the staff comments makes me think it was written as a joke.
Post by: scriver on October 19, 2013, 05:35:52 am
The plot thickens: for those who remember my creepy-ass suitemate, apparently the girl who filed a creepiness report on him was the girl I went out on a date with tonight.
Congratulations. Your life is now a teenager's relationship drama tv-series. Enjoy.
:P
Post by: IronTomato on October 19, 2013, 07:11:40 am
The plot thickens: for those who remember my creepy-ass suitemate, apparently the girl who filed a creepiness report on him was the girl I went out on a date with tonight.
The Fun begins.
FearfulJesuit I am disappoint.Not with a bang, but a whimper?ಠ_ಠ
Post by: Durin Stronginthearm on October 19, 2013, 09:35:34 am
Slippery slope fallacy
'Slippery slope' is a logical device. It can be used in a fallacious manner, but it can also be logically valid. If you think it's fallacious you need to argue why, not just pull three words out of your arse.
Post by: Durin Stronginthearm on October 19, 2013, 09:38:21 am
Spoiler: Bacon in the UK is a kind of flabby monstrosity. (click to show/hide)
Essentially, anything is better than that.
If that's what Scottish bacon is like then that's a pretty strong argument against independence right there :) South of the border our bacon is lovely, crisp and tasty.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 19, 2013, 09:43:04 am
Slippery slope fallacy
'Slippery slope' is a logical device. It can be used in a fallacious manner, but it can also be logically valid. If you think it's fallacious you need to argue why, not just pull three words out of your arse.
To be perfectly honest, the argument should have been clear simply from mentioning that. The guy argued that a small, reasonable thing would lead to much greater, much worse things, despite there being no logical connection between the two. He made a slippery slope argument in which the conclusion did not follow, ergo it was fallacious. You don't need to write a thesis paper to point out that someone misused a logical device.
Post by: Darvi on October 19, 2013, 10:09:10 am
If that's true, then our uni serves Scottish bacon.Spoiler: Bacon in the UK is a kind of flabby monstrosity. (click to show/hide)
Essentially, anything is better than that.
If that's what Scottish bacon is like then that's a pretty strong argument against independence right there :) South of the border our bacon is lovely, crisp and tasty.
Post by: ZetaX on October 19, 2013, 12:14:42 pm
Where is the effective difference between something that (over your entire life) with a probability of 50% causes medical expenses costing 10000$ and something that with a probability of 5% causes costs of 100000$ż Just to list some things which I can imagine to be of similar costs per person doing them extensively:Slippery slope fallacy
What Chairmain said. There's a sight of difference between doing something which has the potential to result in injury and doing something which has been exhaustively documented as causing serious medical problems in all but a few rare cases.
- sun bathing
- mountain hiking
- climbing
- smoking.
So the argument that you would require bans on lots of other things still stands.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 19, 2013, 12:33:53 pm
-1. If evidence of harmful activity exists, pay-out's are reduced.
-2. If you want to do harmful activity, you have to pay a premium on your health insurance.
*Also, don't make up numbers just to give legitimacy to an argument.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 19, 2013, 12:47:49 pm
Post by: ZetaX on October 19, 2013, 12:55:35 pm
*Also, don't make up numbers just to give legitimacy to an argument.I have no idea what you try to tell me with this. I never claimed those numbers to be correlated to any of the mentioned things. There were also no numbers for the claim that obesity costs more than the other things mentioned given. I was simply pointing out that while one thing might very often lead to costs, there might be others that do the same without being as common, e.g. by head injuries and/or its consequences being pretty cost intensive.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 19, 2013, 01:22:22 pm
Where is the effective difference between something that (over your entire life) with a probability of 50% causes medical expenses costing 10000$ and something that with a probability of 5% causes costs of 100000$ż Just to list some things which I can imagine to be of similar costs per person doing them extensively:Slippery slope fallacy
What Chairmain said. There's a sight of difference between doing something which has the potential to result in injury and doing something which has been exhaustively documented as causing serious medical problems in all but a few rare cases.
- sun bathing
- mountain hiking
- climbing
- smoking.
So the argument that you would require bans on lots of other things still stands.
Doesn't follow. It's reasonable to drive/hike/whatever without expecting to be injured. It's not reasonable to start smoking without expecting to be injured. One is a slight possibility, the other is a near-certain eventuality. Hence why a car wreck is called an "accident" while emphysema from smoking is not.
That aside, you're also ignoring the obvious differences between things which are necessary (and slight) risks (for example, driving: there's a small chance that you'll be in an accident that injures you, but not driving is virtually impossible given the lives of most people); things which are hobbies that carry a possibility of injury (using your example, hiking in the mountains), but which cannot be rationally claimed to cause injury in the vast majority of cases; and habits which are (like hobbies) unnecessary, but which almost invariably lead to personal injury (smoking).
Since you enjoy pulling numbers out of your arse to support yourself, I'll answer with two things:
1. First, an equally-useless anecdote to make a point. Speaking from personal experience with my family, the medical costs of a smoker are far higher than those of someone who is injured in an accident.
2. Second, real numbers.
According to the U.S. Federal Highway Administration (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/pubs/hf/pl11028/chapter4.cfm), there were ~205 million registered drivers in the U.S. in 2009. In that year, according to the NHTSA, there were 33,808 deaths and injuries related to auto accidents in the U.S. I couldn't find numbers on accidents or injuries in crashes without fatalities, but that's workable enough.
That means that if you were a driver in the U.S. in 2009, you had (roughly) a 0.0164 % chance of being injured or killed in an auto accident.
According to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/), roughly 43.8 million people in the U.S. are smokers. The average annual number of tobacco-related deaths in the U.S. in recent years is estimated to be around 440,000. This is a bit trickier to calculate, given that mortality due to tobacco use isn't instant. Still, it gives us a useful baseline of comparison.
The smoking population of the U.S. is only ~21% the size of the driving population, and yet smoking leads to 130% as many deaths as driving, using flat numbers.
I used smoking driving there both to make a point and because, for fairly obvious reasons, it'd be a major project to try and estimate the number of injuries and deaths due to relatively low-risk hobbies, much less leverage a comparison of average medical costs, and the ways in which obesity can affect health are more complex and unfortunately less documented than smoking.
Note that I'm not arguing against allowing people to overeat, I'm arguing against letting them do it and then have taxpayers front their medical bills when they're going in for yet another bypass operation. Of course, in a sense that presupposes that we have a sensible public health care system in the first place, so...
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And now it's time to eat lunch.
Post by: Helgoland on October 19, 2013, 01:26:47 pm
Doing that will just piss people off, there are better ways. For example, we already put high taxes on cigarettes, so why not just put those taxes into the national health care system?Yup, re-internalize those externalities through strategic application of taxes. Works for tobacco, works for food, works for... basically anything, I guess.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 19, 2013, 01:28:27 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 19, 2013, 01:39:54 pm
It's a matter of risk: Some things are necessary and carry a high degree of risk (pregnancy in pre-modern times), some necessary and low-risk (driving), some unnecessary and low-risk (hiking), some unnecessary and high-risk (smoking). There's a pretty clear difference between things which are or are not necessary, and ones which are dangerous to pursue and which are not.
For that matter, the long-term risks also act as short term risks. You might smoke one cigarette and never smoke again, but there's a short-term risk of developing an addiction, which paths into the long-term risk of lung cancer, etc.
Post by: ZetaX on October 19, 2013, 01:57:14 pm
You also somehow made a big suckpuppet out of necessities (e.g. driving), while I only used things that are not at all necessary for everyday life (hiking, sun bathing, smoking, climbing). Please stop that.
Also stop attacking my "number out of my arse" as you are obviously not getting the point, namely that you will have to use the expected value of the costs, not the probability of it causing problems. That I made up numbers on the spot to give an _example_ is irrelevant.
Post by: Eotyrannus on October 19, 2013, 02:13:04 pm
Post by: ZetaX on October 19, 2013, 02:39:44 pm
Post by: scriver on October 19, 2013, 03:23:26 pm
Spoiler: Bacon in the UK is a kind of flabby monstrosity. (click to show/hide)
Essentially, anything is better than that.
If that's what Scottish bacon is like then that's a pretty strong argument against independence right there :) South of the border our bacon is lovely, crisp and tasty.
I'd say it's a argument for independence then, to keep that monstrous excuse for bacon on their side of the border ;)
Honestly, though, that looks like what we over here call "fry-pork", and it's awesome in it's own way (for example, served with potatoes and onion sauce and lingonberry jam). But I would never eat it like you do with bacon.
Post by: Oliolli on October 19, 2013, 03:29:14 pm
In that year ... there were 33,808 deaths and injuries related to auto accidents in the U.S.
The average annual number of tobacco-related deaths in the U.S. in recent years is estimated to be around 440,000.
...smoking leads to 130% as many deaths as driving, using flat numbers.
Isn't that 1300%?
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Post by: Knight of Fools on October 19, 2013, 10:24:38 pm
It's kind of funny, because I'm not even that good at the game.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 20, 2013, 08:35:32 am
If you do a dangerous activity, then you get some sort of insurance. (At least, I think you do, I'm a bit young to know when insurance is used, but my aikedo sensei is insured.)Your Aikido sensei has insurance that covers all of the students and the building.
Insurance pays out in case of incident. If I have car insurance (and I'm legally forced to buy it if I want to drive,) I pay it monthly, but they only pay if something happens that is covered by the insurance. If I get into a car crash, they'll pay for a certain amount of repairs based on how much I pay a month. If I cause injury to someone in the crash, I hit a pedestrian for example, they pay for their injuries up to a certain amount (minimum personal injury coverage for my state is $1M,) and jack up my monthly pay rate (called the premium) and make me pay the rest. My home insurance pays out if my house burns down (and it's not caused by me setting it on fire on purpose.) Health insurance pays out if you stay in the hospital because you're injured or extremely sick.
I don't have health insurance because it would cost more than all of my weekly pay and for whatever reason I don't qualify for Medicare/Medicaid, despite being extremely low income. One of the DHS workers heavily implied that I would never qualify because I have external genitalia and/or not enough melanin in my skin.
Post by: Descan on October 20, 2013, 03:00:56 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 20, 2013, 03:13:14 pm
That right there is a rasher, and is damn well good don't you fret. And if you fret, don't you eat; more for me!Essentially, anything is better than that.Spoiler: Bacon in the UK is a kind of flabby monstrosity. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Owlbread on October 20, 2013, 03:22:42 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 20, 2013, 03:25:03 pm
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 12:31:01 am
Post by: Xantalos on October 22, 2013, 12:31:53 am
But it isn't crispy or smoked, it's just a flabby rasher that no matter how long you cook it, it will remain flabby and meaty. A depressing thing altogether.You see, there's a distinction between 'cook' and 'BURNINATE'.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 22, 2013, 12:52:22 am
Post by: Graknorke on October 22, 2013, 01:56:16 am
I don't particualy like bacon. I don't eat mammal meat, and turkey bacon is sort of meh unless it's paired with lettuce and tomato.Not even rabbit? Rabbit is wonderful.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 22, 2013, 02:18:45 am
As is hybrid cow-bison, made specifically for meat!I don't particualy like bacon. I don't eat mammal meat, and turkey bacon is sort of meh unless it's paired with lettuce and tomato.Not even rabbit? Rabbit is wonderful.
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 10:23:14 am
You see, there's a distinction between 'cook' and 'BURNINATE'.
But burnination is simply carbination in this case. American bacon is altogether superior.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on October 22, 2013, 10:26:36 am
You see, there's a distinction between 'cook' and 'BURNINATE'.
But burnination is simply carbination in this case. American bacon is altogether superior.
what sort of misplaced nationalism does it take to not buy raw pieces of pig and prepare them yourself or at least having them prepared by an actual butcher, not a piece of machinery which frankly doesn't give a damn if you enjoy the product or not, and then cooking it just as you like it and you know simply enjoying the end result instead of telling people "your way of eating is bad
Post by: Darvi on October 22, 2013, 10:29:53 am
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 22, 2013, 10:39:17 am
No, for ethical reasons I'm an avi-pesca-vega-(insecta-)tarian. I also eat dairy products. Does that make me a avi-pesca-vega-daira-(insecta-)tarian?As is hybrid cow-bison, made specifically for meat!I don't particualy like bacon. I don't eat mammal meat, and turkey bacon is sort of meh unless it's paired with lettuce and tomato.Not even rabbit? Rabbit is wonderful.
Post by: Graknorke on October 22, 2013, 10:44:24 am
Ew, dairy.No, for ethical reasons I'm an avi-pesca-vega-(insecta-)tarian. I also eat dairy products. Does that make me a avi-pesca-vega-daira-(insecta-)tarian?As is hybrid cow-bison, made specifically for meat!I don't particualy like bacon. I don't eat mammal meat, and turkey bacon is sort of meh unless it's paired with lettuce and tomato.Not even rabbit? Rabbit is wonderful.
Post by: scrdest on October 22, 2013, 10:49:31 am
But it isn't crispy or smoked, it's just a flabby rasher that no matter how long you cook it, it will remain flabby and meaty. A depressing thing altogether.You see, there's a distinction between 'cook' and 'BURNINATE'.
Heretic!
Cook him at a stake!
Post by: MaximumZero on October 22, 2013, 10:59:00 am
How about "vegetarian plus a little"?No, for ethical reasons I'm an avi-pesca-vega-(insecta-)tarian. I also eat dairy products. Does that make me a avi-pesca-vega-daira-(insecta-)tarian?As is hybrid cow-bison, made specifically for meat!I don't particualy like bacon. I don't eat mammal meat, and turkey bacon is sort of meh unless it's paired with lettuce and tomato.Not even rabbit? Rabbit is wonderful.
Post by: Descan on October 22, 2013, 11:02:54 am
I'm disappointed in you.But it isn't crispy or smoked, it's just a flabby rasher that no matter how long you cook it, it will remain flabby and meaty. A depressing thing altogether.You see, there's a distinction between 'cook' and 'BURNINATE'.
Heretic!
Cook him at a stake!
Post by: scriver on October 22, 2013, 11:05:37 am
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 22, 2013, 11:08:54 am
Nah, cause the only reason I'm not Vegetarian is because of chicken, and the only reason I'm not vegan, other than chicken, is cheese.How about "vegetarian plus a little"?No, for ethical reasons I'm an avi-pesca-vega-(insecta-)tarian. I also eat dairy products. Does that make me a avi-pesca-vega-daira-(insecta-)tarian?As is hybrid cow-bison, made specifically for meat!I don't particualy like bacon. I don't eat mammal meat, and turkey bacon is sort of meh unless it's paired with lettuce and tomato.Not even rabbit? Rabbit is wonderful.
Post by: Mephisto on October 22, 2013, 11:14:28 am
Nah, cause the only reason I'm not Vegetarian is because of chicken, and the only reason I'm not vegan, other than chicken, is cheese.How about "vegetarian plus a little"?No, for ethical reasons I'm an avi-pesca-vega-(insecta-)tarian. I also eat dairy products. Does that make me a avi-pesca-vega-daira-(insecta-)tarian?As is hybrid cow-bison, made specifically for meat!I don't particualy like bacon. I don't eat mammal meat, and turkey bacon is sort of meh unless it's paired with lettuce and tomato.Not even rabbit? Rabbit is wonderful.
I've always wondered. Why are fish and bugs not considered meat? They're not plants.
Post by: Dutchling on October 22, 2013, 11:18:23 am
They're not cute enough.Nah, cause the only reason I'm not Vegetarian is because of chicken, and the only reason I'm not vegan, other than chicken, is cheese.How about "vegetarian plus a little"?No, for ethical reasons I'm an avi-pesca-vega-(insecta-)tarian. I also eat dairy products. Does that make me a avi-pesca-vega-daira-(insecta-)tarian?As is hybrid cow-bison, made specifically for meat!I don't particualy like bacon. I don't eat mammal meat, and turkey bacon is sort of meh unless it's paired with lettuce and tomato.Not even rabbit? Rabbit is wonderful.
I've always wondered. Why are fish and bugs not considered meat? They're not plants.
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 11:20:29 am
what sort of misplaced nationalism does it take to not buy raw pieces of pig and prepare them yourself or at least having them prepared by an actual butcher, not a piece of machinery which frankly doesn't give a damn if you enjoy the product or not, and then cooking it just as you like it and you know simply enjoying the end result instead of telling people "your way of eating is badand you should feel bad" (claims of heresy and demands to cease destroying perfectly good bacon optional)
Most of the bacon I would purchase is prepared by an actual butcher. Any "fine" meats come from one of my local butchers. I can cook a flabby rasher to be acceptable but I just think American stuff is superior, I'm sorry.
Post by: Descan on October 22, 2013, 11:27:14 am
Post by: LordSlowpoke on October 22, 2013, 11:37:02 am
what sort of misplaced nationalism does it take to not buy raw pieces of pig and prepare them yourself or at least having them prepared by an actual butcher, not a piece of machinery which frankly doesn't give a damn if you enjoy the product or not, and then cooking it just as you like it and you know simply enjoying the end result instead of telling people "your way of eating is badand you should feel bad" (claims of heresy and demands to cease destroying perfectly good bacon optional)
Most of the bacon I would purchase is prepared by an actual butcher. Any "fine" meats come from one of my local butchers. I can cook a flabby rasher to be acceptable but I just think American stuff is superior, I'm sorry.
you should be sorry for not recommending said meat and instead focusing on these silly sub-meats which we must remove to make room for the butcher-made mas-
/me takes off a cap.
that was unnecessary
there's a certain degree of hypocrisy in telling people they shouldn't be enforcing their tastes over others but coming around and telling people their tastes are bad and they don't know a thing about real meat
it's the exact degree i'm comfortable with though so let's continue and say the only reason i actually quoted you was that you were involved in the discussion and the first on the line of fire so bam you get the onslaught
tell me about the various scottish national stereotypes now.
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 11:38:18 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 22, 2013, 11:49:40 am
The idea is that insects and fish don't have a large enough brain to be capable of pain. If your only moral objection to meat is the undue suffering of animals, then something that can't suffer could be fair game.It's more complexity rather than size, but yes, that's the idea.
Though fish do feel pain, FYI. Just different than humans do.
Post by: scriver on October 22, 2013, 01:40:10 pm
I've always wondered. Why are fish and bugs not considered meat? They're not plants.
Nirvana told us so. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg-yYi8saZY)
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 22, 2013, 01:42:36 pm
Nah, cause the only reason I'm not Vegetarian is because of chicken, and the only reason I'm not vegan, other than chicken, is cheese.Err... I'm pretty sure the other items on the list still make you not a vegetarian. You eat meat. Many different types. Literally the only thing you don't is mammals. Maybe there's a name for that, but it's not vegetarian.
Fish is DEFINITELY considered meat. Bugs are sort of an edge case, but most people consider them meat too. If you say you're a vegetarian but that you eat fish, most vegetarians are just going to laugh at you. It's like saying you're a hacker because you guessed someone's password to their email (which was password1).
Post by: miauw62 on October 22, 2013, 01:45:09 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 22, 2013, 01:46:19 pm
Many people actually have trouble telling the difference between white meats, whether it comes from a fish or a bird, from what I understand.
Post by: Sirus on October 22, 2013, 01:49:07 pm
Post by: Sensei on October 22, 2013, 01:50:39 pm
...Say what? I've never had a problem telling bird from fish. The two are quite different.Also this, fish muscle is very different.
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 02:00:23 pm
Post by: Darvi on October 22, 2013, 02:05:46 pm
Post by: miauw62 on October 22, 2013, 02:15:33 pm
The Head Librarian would never do that. Not if you gave him a banana, anyway.And if you eat books, you're a libertarian?Not sure. However, you'll probably get killed by an orangutan.
Post by: RedKing on October 22, 2013, 02:22:56 pm
Damn, you beat me to it.I've always wondered. Why are fish and bugs not considered meat? They're not plants.
Nirvana told us so. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg-yYi8saZY)
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 22, 2013, 02:33:45 pm
Through long and complicated considerations I came to the conclusion that I was willing to play a miniscule role in the growing demand for meat production. If I stopped eating meat, which I enjoy, there would be very, very little effect on the big picture i.e. animals would be farmed, slaughtered and eaten all over the world whether I stop eating meat or not. I would just not be getting my hands dirty, but I'm not physically killing the animals anyway, I'm just eating their cooked corpses and contributing to the demand for their deaths by buying them. I think I can live with that, being a raindrop falling on the ocean.
I find this point of view morally repugnant on so many levels. Like, completely aside from the vegetarian thing. I'll leave it at that.
...Say what? I've never had a problem telling bird from fish. The two are quite different.Yeah, lots of people say that, and then it turns out that the differences are mostly in their head. Most people are... kind of bad at identifying what they are eating overall.
Post by: Helgoland on October 22, 2013, 02:58:26 pm
Oh, I quite like that point of view, as long as it's handled right: "Doing this little thing will do nothing, so I won't do anything at all" is dumb, but "Doing this little thing will do nothing, so I'll start pushing forward a political solution" is great; much better than "Doing this little thing will do nothing, but I'll do it anyway just to have done something."Through long and complicated considerations I came to the conclusion that I was willing to play a miniscule role in the growing demand for meat production. If I stopped eating meat, which I enjoy, there would be very, very little effect on the big picture i.e. animals would be farmed, slaughtered and eaten all over the world whether I stop eating meat or not. I would just not be getting my hands dirty, but I'm not physically killing the animals anyway, I'm just eating their cooked corpses and contributing to the demand for their deaths by buying them. I think I can live with that, being a raindrop falling on the ocean.One thing I dislike about viewpoints such as this, is that people go 'Oh well, I don't have much of an effect!', whilst failing to realise that the way to have an effect is to have lots of small effects pile up.
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 03:08:39 pm
One thing I dislike about viewpoints such as this, is that people go 'Oh well, I don't have much of an effect!', whilst failing to realise that the way to have an effect is to have lots of small effects pile up.
I'm very much aware of that fact (it is in fact the source of the problem) and made reference to it in the post. I feel like a raindrop falling on an ocean though, and as Helgoland says I'd be more than happy to support a political solution to the problem, but in the meantime there's not much wrong with eating the corpses. There isn't much right about it of course other than the fact that I enjoy it and it gives me more choice in restaurants/throughout life.
I find this point of view morally repugnant on so many levels. Like, completely aside from the vegetarian thing. I'll leave it at that.
Please don't, I'd much rather you went all out. This issue is one that I've often struggled to get my head around so it's very helpful if you can robustly challenge my views. If that means completely trashing me, chances are I need trashed. The main problem that I can see is that similar arguments can be made to justify things like being a murderer in a world of murderers. I just have this strong feeling inside though that we'll have stopped killing each-other before we stop slaughtering animals.
Post by: shrike.ex on October 22, 2013, 03:18:06 pm
And if you eat books, you're a libertarian?No no no, you're a libervore.
Post by: Helgoland on October 22, 2013, 03:20:09 pm
Spoiler: My position, in D&D alignment terms (click to show/hide)
EDIT: Librophage?
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 03:30:15 pm
Owlbread, I'm not attacking you, it's just that argument in and of itself is... eh...
I eat meat. I do have respect for vegetarians, though.
Gentlemen please, you don't need to tiptoe around me by saying stuff like that. Attack me for god's sake, if I'm going to be choosing whether or not to eat meat I'd like my argument to be as sound as possible, and that improvement can only come through challenge.
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 22, 2013, 03:39:51 pm
Please don't, I'd much rather you went all out. This issue is one that I've often struggled to get my head around so it's very helpful if you can robustly challenge my views. If that means completely trashing me, chances are I need trashed. The main problem that I can see is that similar arguments can be made to justify things like being a murderer in a world of murderers. I just have this strong feeling inside though that we'll have stopped killing each-other before we stop slaughtering animals.
The issue is that this really, really isn't the thread for it. If you want to start a new thread for it we can discuss it there.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on October 22, 2013, 03:41:29 pm
Attack me for god's sake
your mother was a hamster and your father smelted elderberries can't quote monty python completely now can we, the real one's far too overused
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 03:42:28 pm
The issue is that this really, really isn't the thread for it. If you want to start a new thread for it we can discuss it there.
I would but I have a feeling things could get ugly if the debate extends beyond our small group. I recommend that you PM me.
Post by: Helgoland on October 22, 2013, 03:43:39 pm
[Southern hick accent]Aw hell no![/Southern hick accent]Owlbread, I'm not attacking you, it's just that argument in and of itself is... eh...
I eat meat. I do have respect for vegetarians, though.
Gentlemen please, you don't need to tiptoe around me by saying stuff like that. Attack me for god's sake, if I'm going to be choosing whether or not to eat meat I'd like my argument to be as sound as possible, and that improvement can only come through challenge.
Meat vs Veggie will just quickly degenerate into stating positions without caring to argue. Can't we do the political side?
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 03:46:14 pm
[Southern hick accent]Aw hell no![/Southern hick accent]
Meat vs Veggie will just quickly degenerate into stating positions without caring to argue. Can't we do the political side?
The political side is vastly preferable. My issue is that there are very few political parties or organizations that I would feel comfortable in supporting on this issue. PETA have the highest profile but they're daft as a brush.
Post by: Darvi on October 22, 2013, 03:53:17 pm
and your father smelted elderberries can't quote monty python completely now can we, the real one's far too overusedI didn't know that fruitbars were made that way.
Post by: scrdest on October 22, 2013, 03:58:11 pm
and your father smelted elderberries can't quote monty python completely now can we, the real one's far too overusedI didn't know that fruitbars were made that way.
I think it was 'smelled of'. Unless that's on purpose.
Post by: Frumple on October 22, 2013, 04:02:10 pm
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 04:17:27 pm
Thing is, I'm not. If I did, I'd be a little hypocritical, wouldn't I?
I eat meat. If I complained about YOU doing so...
You'd be challenging my argument, it's not necessarily about your opinions.
Post by: scrdest on October 22, 2013, 04:18:40 pm
Smelt of, yes. Yes, that is (at least one of) the past tense forms of smell. Smelled works, too, but I personally prefer smelt. It's a sharp, clean, word.
I dislike 'smelt' because it introduces ambiguity. When you say 'he smelt elderberries' I imagine the guy taking large shovelfuls of berries and throwing them into a furnace to smelt the, uh, elderberrite, out of them.
Post by: Frumple on October 22, 2013, 04:24:27 pm
Smelt is also a fish! A smelt elderberry might be interesting. Maybe a smelt elderberry malt? That might just kill someone, hoho.
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 04:25:45 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2013, 04:26:39 pm
Post by: scrdest on October 22, 2013, 04:29:58 pm
I tend to prefer burnt to burned.
Funny now that I think of it, I use both, for different things.
'Burnt' is like an overcooked, partially carbonized toast, incomplete oxidation, 'burned' is either a person who touched a hot frying pan (i.e. a temperature-inflicted wound), or something that is completely gone due to a fire, i.e. a house, a person in said house or charcoal in the furnace.
Post by: Shakerag on October 22, 2013, 04:37:33 pm
but in the meantime there's not much wrong with eating the corpses.I think the animals would beg to differ if they could.
The political side is vastly preferable. My issue is that there are very few political parties or organizations that I would feel comfortable in supporting on this issue. PETA have the highest profile but they're daft as a brush.I have ... mixed opinions about PETA, but there are many other organizations out there (PCRM (http://www.pcrm.org/), Farm Sanctuary (http://www.farmsanctuary.org/), ALDF (http://aldf.org/), etc.)
Post by: scrdest on October 22, 2013, 04:42:18 pm
I like the way we ran out of stupid things, so now we're debating whether or not meat eating is a good idea.
Also, screw PETA. They aren't good in my book.
Animal testing is immoral and such, but they have the opinion that using animals in ANY way is EVIL!
I think my cats would beg to differ.
Let's not go into PETA being chummy with ALF, who are like real-life LCS except less stable.
Post by: Shakerag on October 22, 2013, 04:42:57 pm
I like the way we ran out of stupid things, so now we're debating whether or not meat eating is a good idea.Cats use you, anyway. Everyone knows that.
Also, screw PETA. They aren't good in my book.
Animal testing is immoral and such, but they have the opinion that using animals in ANY way is EVIL!
I think my cats would beg to differ.
Post by: Owlbread on October 22, 2013, 04:45:04 pm
I think the animals would beg to differ if they could.
Regarding the fact that they had been killed for meat, or that I was eating their corpse?
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 22, 2013, 04:46:22 pm
But if chicken didn't exist, I wouldn't eat animals. That's the point I wanted to make.Nah, cause the only reason I'm not Vegetarian is because of chicken, and the only reason I'm not vegan, other than chicken, is cheese.Err... I'm pretty sure the other items on the list still make you not a vegetarian. You eat meat. Many different types. Literally the only thing you don't is mammals. Maybe there's a name for that, but it's not vegetarian.
Fish is DEFINITELY considered meat. Bugs are sort of an edge case, but most people consider them meat too. If you say you're a vegetarian but that you eat fish, most vegetarians are just going to laugh at you. It's like saying you're a hacker because you guessed someone's password to their email (which was password1).
I think my cats would beg to differ.Wut. Seriously, though. I'm confused.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 22, 2013, 04:47:19 pm
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Animal testing is immoral and suchAnimal testing is ESSENTIAL for research and development of new drugs and therapies.
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Post by: BlackFlyme on October 22, 2013, 04:51:14 pm
I think my cats would beg to differ.Wut. Seriously, though. I'm confused.
PETA protests the owning of pets. Their ideals are very strange, I had to watch a few documentaries on them in school.
Post by: scrdest on October 22, 2013, 04:53:37 pm
QuoteAnimal testing is immoral and suchAnimal testing is ESSENTIAL for research and development of new drugs and therapies.
Yeah, it's either that or testing something potentially harmful on humans. Although given the existence of VHEMT, I suspect some of animal-rightera would be fine with the latter.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 22, 2013, 04:57:41 pm
Oh, that. I've heard about the owning thing. End of the day, I'll let them do their thing. Bring on the cheesy chicken!I think my cats would beg to differ.Wut. Seriously, though. I'm confused.
PETA protests the owning of pets. Their ideals are very strange, I had to watch a few documentaries on them in school.
Post by: Shakerag on October 22, 2013, 05:01:21 pm
The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine would disagree. (http://www.pcrm.org/research/animaltestalt/animaltesting)QuoteAnimal testing is immoral and suchAnimal testing is ESSENTIAL for research and development of new drugs and therapies.
Yeah, it's either that or testing something potentially harmful on humans. Although given the existence of VHEMT, I suspect some of animal-rightera would be fine with the latter.Oh hey, I have some stickers from VEHMT. Never would have thought I'd see that name mentioned.
But, um, yeah, false dichotomy there. It isn't "test on humans or animals or nothing". For example. (http://www.pcrm.org/research/animaltestalt/animaltesting/research-without-animals)
Post by: scrdest on October 22, 2013, 05:09:12 pm
Thing is, why is it more moral to use it on animals than it is on humans? Are humans somehow more superior than animals?QuoteAnimal testing is immoral and suchAnimal testing is ESSENTIAL for research and development of new drugs and therapies.
Yeah, it's either that or testing something potentially harmful on humans. Although given the existence of VHEMT, I suspect some of animal-rightera would be fine with the latter.
EDIT: Actually, I'll go make a thread so we stop spamming this thread with the animals rights stuff.
Not necessarily, but assuming they aren't superior, which we don't have much reasons to believe, there's no reason not to use them if you can pick. If you think human suffering is neither more nor less important to that of an animal, why would inflicting the same amount of suffering be less moral when you use animals?
And if human suffering trumps animal suffering, no issue either.
Post by: Graknorke on October 22, 2013, 06:00:02 pm
...this is reminding me of the bestiality/slaughter discussion we had earlier.
Post by: Sirus on October 22, 2013, 06:00:56 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132352.0Srsly people. New thread. Take it there.
OK, go here for the animal rights stuff. This thread is for stupid people/quotes, not debates.
Post by: Graknorke on October 22, 2013, 06:02:15 pm
Whelp, in a meta context I guess my post belongs here because I completely missed that. I though greatorder posted scrdest's post or... something. Brain tired no work too good.http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132352.0Srsly people. New thread. Take it there.
OK, go here for the animal rights stuff. This thread is for stupid people/quotes, not debates.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 22, 2013, 06:57:45 pm
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It's just the asker. I have no words. None. Except for: And this is why sexual education is important, folks.
Post by: Graknorke on October 22, 2013, 07:10:01 pm
So I may have stumbled into Know Your Meme, and come across this little gem on the Dafuq entry:It's a joke post. Check the username.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's just the asker. I have no words. None. Except for: And this is why sexual education is important, folks.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2013, 07:17:06 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2013, 10:23:46 pm
Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)ಠ_ಠ
Post by: Gentlefish on October 23, 2013, 10:41:50 pm
ಠ_ಠRemember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)ಠ_ಠ
Post by: Max White on October 23, 2013, 10:47:39 pm
Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)Wow, that movie looks awesome!
I love the part where the field of undead brainless straw men raise up in the middle of the night and the badass christian warrior destroys them with his mighty wrath. Best horror film of the year.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2013, 11:44:48 pm
Don't forget the groundbreaking love story where the steadfast christian boy has to chose between his girlfriend and his forbidden love with the atheist professor. Or something. I didn't listen that closely.Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)Wow, that movie looks awesome!
I love the part where the field of undead brainless straw men raise up in the middle of the night and the badass christian warrior destroys them with his mighty wrath. Best horror film of the year.
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 23, 2013, 11:54:54 pm
Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)
Is it just me, or is the font used the same as the one used for the Twilight movies?
Post by: Vector on October 23, 2013, 11:58:55 pm
Don't forget the groundbreaking love story where the steadfast christian boy has to chose between his girlfriend and his forbidden love with the atheist professor. Or something. I didn't listen that closely.
hawt
Post by: Xantalos on October 24, 2013, 12:09:21 am
Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)wat
Post by: MaximumZero on October 24, 2013, 12:14:07 am
You haven't heard of Straw Argument: Straw Harder?Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)wat
Post by: Xantalos on October 24, 2013, 12:15:25 am
But I drink out of straws. I don't want to drink this movie. It tastes bad in my moutheyes.You haven't heard of Straw Argument: Straw Harder?Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)wat
Post by: Max White on October 24, 2013, 12:17:43 am
Post by: Xantalos on October 24, 2013, 12:20:10 am
That is the taste of faith, boy! You better get used to sipping that sweet nectar or the lord gonna strike you down, oh yes he will!bitch i got married to jehovah at one point
then divorced him and took half his stuff
then sold it back to him on ebay for twice the original cost
Post by: Max White on October 24, 2013, 12:24:56 am
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Edit: Though that is basically the perfect double post.
Post by: Xantalos on October 24, 2013, 12:30:26 am
Damn timeskips.
Post by: Descan on October 24, 2013, 12:31:06 am
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Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 24, 2013, 09:48:31 am
/me slides down against the wall with a severe nosebleed.
Post by: frostshotgg on October 24, 2013, 10:11:10 am
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 24, 2013, 11:00:06 am
Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)You know what? I think I will watch this movie. And laugh. I will go into the theater and LAUGH MY ASS OFF. I will not silence my phone, damn it!
If I was a movie critic, then I would say "You don't know how much I am going to enjoy failing you."
Though, in all seriousness, how the fuck does science prove his existence?
Also, you got a link to that copypasta?
Post by: Iceblaster on October 24, 2013, 11:07:26 am
Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)You know what? I think I will watch this movie. And laugh. I will go into the theater and LAUGH MY ASS OFF. I will not silence my phone, damn it!
If I was a movie critic, then I would say "You don't know how much I am going to enjoy failing you."
Though, in all seriousness, how the fuck does science prove his existence?
Also, you got a link to that copypasta?
I would like that copy pasta as well, might at least see how stupidishmaybe it is.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 24, 2013, 11:13:07 am
Jack Chick made his own version of it. (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp)
Then there's the parody version:
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A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”
At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.
”How old is this rock, pinhead?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”
”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, DeShawn Washington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!
The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.
And finally, there's the Tumblr Social Justice version. (http://i.imgur.com/Tql1D.png)
Post by: Iceblaster on October 24, 2013, 11:21:42 am
All of this has made me laugh.
Is that a bad thing?
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 24, 2013, 11:30:20 am
Jack Chick made his own version of it. (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp)
The ignorance, it burns.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 24, 2013, 11:49:49 am
The funny thing is that while they may have 'disproved' evolution, they never proved anything else.Jack Chick made his own version of it. (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp)
The ignorance, it burns.
I also liked the part where they cherry picked the evidence. And the part where the Aryan student faced off against the (Jewish?) goatee'd and fat professor.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 24, 2013, 11:52:31 am
Post by: SealyStar on October 24, 2013, 03:37:35 pm
This is the original, as well as the Snopes article debunking it. (http://www.snopes.com/religion/chalk.asp)That parody is... glorious.
Jack Chick made his own version of it. (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp)
Then there's the parody version:QuoteA liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”
At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.
”How old is this rock, pinhead?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”
”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, DeShawn Washington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!
The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.
And finally, there's the Tumblr Social Justice version. (http://i.imgur.com/Tql1D.png)
EDIT: The Tumblr version even more so. "The proper term is 'trans-dead'".
Post by: scrdest on October 24, 2013, 04:35:30 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional. Chick is as racist as he is fundamentalist.
In regards to Jews, he's a little hazy. He doesn't overtly play into character stereotypes most of the time, but whenever he wants to demonize some character, he gives him stereotypically Jewish traits.
This is the original, as well as the Snopes article debunking it. (http://www.snopes.com/religion/chalk.asp)
Jack Chick made his own version of it. (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp)
Then there's the parody version:Quote-cut for space-[/url]That parody is... glorious.
EDIT: The Tumblr version even more so. "The proper term is 'trans-dead'".
Shouldn't it be 'trans-live'?
Post by: Graknorke on October 24, 2013, 04:39:48 pm
Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)And that student's name... was Ronald Reagan.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on October 24, 2013, 05:14:51 pm
Remember the "atheist professor is ruined by defiant christian student" copypasta? Somebody had the bright idea that it should be made into a full movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA&feature=share)Googling the movie, this appears to be a real thing coming soon. Huh. The trailer for it just seems so hammy. Huh. I thought it was an overtly elaborate troll/joke thing. Huh.
Post by: scrdest on October 24, 2013, 05:26:43 pm
Until it's confirmed via googling, it's impossible to tell if it's real or not.
Snopes is your friend here, good sir.
(I now feel tempted to photoshop a polar bear in a tophat).
Post by: Dutchling on October 24, 2013, 05:27:53 pm
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Post by: Graknorke on October 24, 2013, 05:31:56 pm
I am laughing with sadness.Jack Chick made his own version of it. (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp)
The ignorance, it burns.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 24, 2013, 08:34:19 pm
Where's that paw going? It's a little low for dancing, don't you think?Is that my brother?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That was a hell of a night.
Post by: Xantalos on October 24, 2013, 08:35:47 pm
Boxing. It was an uppercut.Where's that paw going? It's a little low for dancing, don't you think?Is that my brother?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That was a hell of a night.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 27, 2013, 11:50:41 pm
Quote from: FSTDT
If I may, one counter argument that has been forming is that all non-hetero, perverse sex (BDSM, pedophilia, bestiality, and such) originates in non-consensual sex. Throw in abortion and/or STD and society has one more basket case it is not capable of healing.Ignoring all the rape causes "non-hetero perverse sex" BS, I may not be Buddhist, but that is not how Buddhism works.
Consensual sex later on in life is a contract between two people to either recreate or treat that original rape. Like goslings imprinting on their mother, the original act will shape the person’s life without a stronger, correcting force. People seek that force, but turn away from the Christian church in favor of paganism, witchcraft, Buddhism – religions that promise personal power over others – a power they didn’t have when they were raped. The few studies that seem to indicate this meet with suppression.
Edit: Found this little gem:
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LaBarbera: We need to work on our conservative, alternate media and say, ‘look, don’t do the pro-gay thing, why don’t you rather step out and support these ex-gays?’ We should encourage Fox News to tell their stories. Fox is now telling the stories of black conservatives because the other media is not doing that, we should all get on Fox and say, ‘come on, tell these stories, these wonderful stories of happy men and women who have left the homosexual lifestyle.’I wonder why not? I mean, I was TOTALLY counseled to be gay. I mean, wasn't everyone?
Scarborough: Peter, the whole issue of a class action lawsuit, you and I have talked about this a little bit. I just wonder if you’ve explored that, talked to anyone about it. Obviously, statistically now even the Centers for Disease Control verifies that homosexuality much more likely leads to AIDS than smoking leads to cancer. And yet the entire nation has rejected smoking, billions of dollars are put into a trust fund to help cancer victims and the tobacco industry was held accountable for that. Any thoughts on that kind of an approach?
LaBarbera: Yeah I think that’s great. I would love to see it. We always wanted to see one of the kid in high school who was counseled by the official school counselor to just be gay, then he comes down with HIV. But we never really got the client for that.
Post by: Xantalos on October 27, 2013, 11:52:31 pm
Post by: Graknorke on October 27, 2013, 11:59:56 pm
It's like someone knows what English language looks like and the words and generally how they go together, but has never actually read it before.
Post by: Descan on October 28, 2013, 12:02:06 am
I've gone over it before, about "Person doesn't want A, but rails against B, which is one of the only things that would lower A. Or worse, advocates C, which would make A worse!"
Post by: Eric Blank on October 28, 2013, 12:08:02 am
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Post by: Bauglir on October 28, 2013, 12:19:11 am
It doesn't matter what the facts say, they already know the truth. If you're arguing against it, you're just being intellectually dishonest so you don't have to confront your own hypocrisy, at least as far as they're concerned. It's never really about A.
Post by: frostshotgg on October 28, 2013, 12:21:08 am
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Post by: SalmonGod on October 28, 2013, 07:38:42 pm
This is relevant, was always relevant, and shall forever be, relevant.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh, man... this is about how sane, informed, and intelligent most people sound when they talk about politics, regardless of their position -- even ones I agree with. But I imagine just about anyone would say the same.
Post by: IronTomato on October 29, 2013, 08:17:18 am
*Types into google*
eBay: Huge selection of Harmonic Resonance. Free Shipping available. Buy Now!
Me: Google, I am disappoint.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 29, 2013, 08:18:21 am
I merely get some Wikipedia articles, so it's just your own searches getting bounced back at you.
Post by: Graknorke on October 29, 2013, 11:11:55 am
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Yeah...
Post by: IronTomato on October 29, 2013, 11:15:46 am
So, I was checking to see if Simcity 5 is cracked yet (it is. It probably was a while ago but I stopped counting after a couple of days), and one video... well, I'll quote the description.Something tells me that's not the crack you're looking for. I'm not sure what. :PSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Yeah...
Post by: miauw62 on October 29, 2013, 11:20:49 am
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Post by: LordSlowpoke on October 29, 2013, 11:51:00 am
I don't think I can single out one spectacular line from the rest. Everything from "About it" down is just beautiful.
in the name of fuck there's been an automated essay writing site that literally threw a wikipedia article at your screen piece by piece and this is just a few topics bashed together with a few keywords changed in the middle
it is marvelous and i need a source
Post by: Eric Blank on October 29, 2013, 01:29:20 pm
Toady needs to hire these guys.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 29, 2013, 01:30:38 pm
Post by: Mesa on October 29, 2013, 01:39:33 pm
Good job, mates!
Post by: frostshotgg on October 29, 2013, 02:18:55 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 29, 2013, 02:57:16 pm
Post by: da_nang on October 29, 2013, 03:29:36 pm
Have them do the poem generator.Easy enough. Any computer with a dictionary can create dadaist poetry.
Post by: OREOSOME on October 29, 2013, 04:02:47 pm
Everyone's seemed fine, except for one that a friend of mine was with. Apparently, his group had decided by majority rules, and were made up of some of the more idiotic people in the school. Which is to say, the kind who adore rappers, and consider themselves gangsta'.
It went as bad as that sounds. Their school's name, "Biggie Smallsville High." That was already a bad sign. Then, as it went on, their school seemed more and more stupid, such as including for sports a 'Twerk Team'.
Post by: Putnam on October 29, 2013, 04:05:12 pm
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Post by: Mech#4 on October 30, 2013, 12:29:01 am
I would love to say I went to Biggie Smallsville High. That's the best school name ever. What would the mascot be though?
Superman?
Post by: Korbac on October 30, 2013, 03:43:41 am
I would love to say I went to Biggie Smallsville High. That's the best school name ever. What would the mascot be though?
Notorious M.I.D?
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 30, 2013, 03:54:18 am
Post by: FearfulJesuit on October 30, 2013, 11:00:57 am
There's this handmade homecoming poster on campus that goes, "Forget impossible, be possible," and has a picture of Superman on it.
I'm rather at a loss for how one is to interpret it. Be superman? Don't be superman? As being is possible, just be? Superman is possible? Forget superman?
waaaugh
Anything is possible. You can do anything. Anything at all. The only limit is yourself. (http://zombo.com/)
Post by: Descan on October 30, 2013, 11:25:14 am
Catchy, vapid, doesn't really mean anything, and actually gets rather horrifying when you think about it? (Don't try and aim for what is impossible! Settle for less!)
Sounds like a school motto. :P
Post by: MaximumZero on October 30, 2013, 01:22:18 pm
Customer: It won't save if I don't tell it to! >:(
It's too bad that I have a modicum of ethics. This guy's obviously not worried about me having his banking information.
Post by: SealyStar on October 30, 2013, 01:44:04 pm
Post by: Graknorke on October 30, 2013, 01:49:08 pm
Forget impossible, be possible?Perfect is the enemy of good enough.
Catchy, vapid, doesn't really mean anything, and actually gets rather horrifying when you think about it? (Don't try and aim for what is impossible! Settle for less!)
Sounds like a school motto. :P
Post by: Mephisto on October 30, 2013, 02:05:24 pm
Forget impossible, be possible?Perfect is the enemy of good enough.
Catchy, vapid, doesn't really mean anything, and actually gets rather horrifying when you think about it? (Don't try and aim for what is impossible! Settle for less!)
Sounds like a school motto. :P
If I worried about perfection, I'd never get anything done at work.
NEVER!
Then again... I'm posting on B12 while at work. I suppose I'm not getting much done anyway.
Post by: Descan on October 30, 2013, 02:41:15 pm
Post by: Dutchling on October 30, 2013, 02:42:06 pm
edit: wait, I'm already doing that >.>
Post by: Helgoland on October 30, 2013, 07:11:34 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 30, 2013, 07:11:58 pm
Post by: misko27 on October 30, 2013, 08:54:23 pm
That said, I subscribe to the 20-80 principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle), 20 percent of the effort can be 80% of the result. No point being another mediocre everyone will ignore just as much as if you had done nothing, or even the "fine" most will get, but that last barrier, the little extras, are what can make you stand out.
Post by: Graknorke on October 30, 2013, 08:56:57 pm
If it's worth the the seconds/minutes/hours/days/months/years/decades out of your rapidly diminishing time in your skin, it's worth well enough to benefit you the most. The laws of Dollar Auction dictate you must run a cost-benefit analysis of amount of effort between passable and best, the benefits of accomplishing adequate vs. best, determine rate of change to see if there is a point in between acceptable of 100% that would work, and then choose the best option.But you cannot stand out at everything, and if you try to do everything to a fantabulous degree you'll end up with everything else that you've been neglecting turning out shitty.
That said, I subscribe to the 20-80 principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle), 20 percent of the effort can be 80% of the result. No point being another mediocre everyone will ignore just as much as if you had done nothing, or even the "fine" most will get, but that last barrier, the little extras, are what can make you stand out.
Also I don't really care about standing out since there is no way anything I do will be above "good enough". So the best way to go about it is to not try better than that, and instead just make sure I can do it consistently.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 30, 2013, 10:49:14 pm
Post by: Xantalos on October 31, 2013, 12:22:31 am
The key is to maintain a consistent level of mediocrity so that when it really matters you can pull out all the stops for a brief time. Then go back to being mediocre; it wouldn't do to have people expect peak performance from you at all times, unless you're looking to die of stress.This speaks the truth. Otherwise tiptop becomes the new mediocre.
Post by: Graknorke on October 31, 2013, 07:42:09 am
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Followers of ALI (as) NEVER. BOW DOWN. To SATAN or his CRONIES ! LIVE like ALI. Die LIKE husayn . BRAVO. IRAN. The. ONLY. Jewel in the ISLAMIC crown.From this (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/10/30/332144/iran-continues-20-uranium-enrichment/) news article's comments. I can't even comprehend.
Post by: SealyStar on October 31, 2013, 10:06:40 am
QuoteFollowers of ALI (as) NEVER. BOW DOWN. To SATAN or his CRONIES ! LIVE like ALI. Die LIKE husayn . BRAVO. IRAN. The. ONLY. Jewel in the ISLAMIC crown.From this (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/10/30/332144/iran-continues-20-uranium-enrichment/) news article's comments. I can't even comprehend.
"Jihad! Jihad!"
Post by: Graknorke on October 31, 2013, 10:10:41 am
No, I don't mean the actual content. Just look at the sentence structure. Spaces before punctuation, random all-caps names. Just... it's really difficult to read. I think I understand it now though. Here's it roughly translated into Readable™QuoteFollowers of ALI (as) NEVER. BOW DOWN. To SATAN or his CRONIES ! LIVE like ALI. Die LIKE husayn . BRAVO. IRAN. The. ONLY. Jewel in the ISLAMIC crown.From this (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/10/30/332144/iran-continues-20-uranium-enrichment/) news article's comments. I can't even comprehend.
"Jihad! Jihad!"
"Followers of Ali, never bow down to Satan or his cronies! Live like Ali, die like Husayn. Bravo Iran, the only jewel in the Islamic crown."
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 31, 2013, 10:35:11 am
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 31, 2013, 10:52:04 am
Post by: frostshotgg on October 31, 2013, 10:56:47 am
LOL I'M SO RANDOM!66821973
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 31, 2013, 11:02:49 am
Post by: scrdest on October 31, 2013, 11:14:11 am
dont. EVEN . QUESTION . the wonder OF the ANVIL .Hey, how'd you get part of my debit card details!?LOL I'M SO RANDOM!66821973
NSA. Duh.
Post by: SealyStar on October 31, 2013, 11:18:14 am
Dammit, Obama!dont. EVEN . QUESTION . the wonder OF the ANVIL .Hey, how'd you get part of my debit card details!?LOL I'M SO RANDOM!66821973
NSA. Duh.
Post by: Mephisto on October 31, 2013, 11:20:43 am
Dammit, Sirus!dont. EVEN . QUESTION . the wonder OF the ANVIL .Hey, how'd you get part of my debit card details!?LOL I'M SO RANDOM!66821973
NSA. Duh.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on October 31, 2013, 11:30:31 am
Dammit, gay lizard muslim commie satanist nazi atheists!dont. EVEN . QUESTION . the wonder OF the ANVIL .Hey, how'd you get part of my debit card details!?LOL I'M SO RANDOM!66821973
NSA. Duh.
Post by: tomio175 on October 31, 2013, 12:03:20 pm
Dammit, gay lizard muslim commie satanist nazi atheists making quote pyramids!nobody will notice that I changed the numberdont. EVEN . QUESTION . the wonder OF the ANVIL .Hey, how'd you get part of my debit card details!?LOL I'M SO RANDOM!66321973
NSA. Duh.
Post by: SealyStar on October 31, 2013, 12:15:18 pm
Dammit, gay lizard muslim commie satanist nazi atheists trying to censor our FREE SPEECH RIGHT to quote pyramids! The NWO, no doubt.nobody will notice that I changed the numberdont. EVEN . QUESTION . the wonder OF the ANVIL .Hey, how'd you get part of my debit card details!?LOL I'M SO RANDOM!66321973
NSA. Duh.
Post by: Oliolli on October 31, 2013, 12:58:01 pm
Post by: Biowraith on October 31, 2013, 02:32:45 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 31, 2013, 02:35:59 pm
Post by: Oliolli on October 31, 2013, 02:37:44 pm
Post by: Lightningfalcon on October 31, 2013, 02:44:41 pm
Dihydrogen Monoxide, I think. It's this really dangerous chemical - about 95% of the people who have consumed it are dead.Not to mention the severe burns that the vapor form causes. Vapor that nuclear power plants emit into the air, I might add.
Post by: miauw62 on October 31, 2013, 02:45:48 pm
Post by: Biowraith on October 31, 2013, 02:49:53 pm
Another colleague more recently asked me what "definition" meant. She wasn't joking either.
Post by: Descan on October 31, 2013, 02:50:52 pm
Dihydrogen Monoxide, I think. It's this really dangerous chemical - about 95% of the people who have consumed it are dead.With a 5% margin of error.
That one was one of the first things a colleague at my current job said to me. She wasn't joking.The definition of definition is recursion.
Another colleague more recently asked me what "definition" meant. She wasn't joking either.
Post by: hops on October 31, 2013, 03:02:42 pm
What does recursion mean? :PDihydrogen Monoxide, I think. It's this really dangerous chemical - about 95% of the people who have consumed it are dead.With a 5% margin of error.That one was one of the first things a colleague at my current job said to me. She wasn't joking.The definition of definition is recursion.
Another colleague more recently asked me what "definition" meant. She wasn't joking either.
Post by: SealyStar on October 31, 2013, 04:28:52 pm
Dihydrogen Monoxide, I think. It's this really dangerous chemical - about 95% of the people who have consumed it are dead.It is hydroxic acid to me. Everyone knows dihydrogen monoxide already. You can still trick them with this one, especially since it has the dreaded "acid" in it.
Post by: misko27 on October 31, 2013, 04:33:28 pm
DEFINITION: a statement of the exact meaning of a word, esp. in a dictionary.That one was one of the first things a colleague at my current job said to me. She wasn't joking.The definition of definition is recursion.
Another colleague more recently asked me what "definition" meant. She wasn't joking either.
Is it acidic though? I thought it was neutral.Dihydrogen Monoxide, I think. It's this really dangerous chemical - about 95% of the people who have consumed it are dead.It is hydroxic acid to me. Everyone knows dihydrogen monoxide already. You can still trick them with this one, especially since it has the dreaded "acid" in it.
Post by: SealyStar on October 31, 2013, 04:37:15 pm
It is, but its composition can be described as if it were an acid :PDEFINITION: a statement of the exact meaning of a word, esp. in a dictionary.That one was one of the first things a colleague at my current job said to me. She wasn't joking.The definition of definition is recursion.
Another colleague more recently asked me what "definition" meant. She wasn't joking either.Is it acidic though? I thought it was neutral.Dihydrogen Monoxide, I think. It's this really dangerous chemical - about 95% of the people who have consumed it are dead.It is hydroxic acid to me. Everyone knows dihydrogen monoxide already. You can still trick them with this one, especially since it has the dreaded "acid" in it.
Post by: Darvi on October 31, 2013, 04:42:23 pm
And don't get me started on zwitterions.
Post by: Putnam on October 31, 2013, 04:43:40 pm
It is, but its composition can be described as if it were an acid :PDEFINITION: a statement of the exact meaning of a word, esp. in a dictionary.That one was one of the first things a colleague at my current job said to me. She wasn't joking.The definition of definition is recursion.
Another colleague more recently asked me what "definition" meant. She wasn't joking either.Is it acidic though? I thought it was neutral.Dihydrogen Monoxide, I think. It's this really dangerous chemical - about 95% of the people who have consumed it are dead.It is hydroxic acid to me. Everyone knows dihydrogen monoxide already. You can still trick them with this one, especially since it has the dreaded "acid" in it.
Hydroxic acid/Hydrogen Hydroxide. It goes both ways!
Post by: SealyStar on October 31, 2013, 04:52:19 pm
Yeah but hydroxic acid sounds more menacing.It is, but its composition can be described as if it were an acid :PDEFINITION: a statement of the exact meaning of a word, esp. in a dictionary.That one was one of the first things a colleague at my current job said to me. She wasn't joking.The definition of definition is recursion.
Another colleague more recently asked me what "definition" meant. She wasn't joking either.Is it acidic though? I thought it was neutral.Dihydrogen Monoxide, I think. It's this really dangerous chemical - about 95% of the people who have consumed it are dead.It is hydroxic acid to me. Everyone knows dihydrogen monoxide already. You can still trick them with this one, especially since it has the dreaded "acid" in it.
Hydroxic acid/Hydrogen Hydroxide. It goes both ways!
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2013, 04:52:27 pm
Hydroxic acid/Hydrogen Hydroxide. It goes both ways!Water, the immoral molecule: it has no sexual decency! Stop drinking water today if you aren't a hell-bound godless communist dedicated to the destruction of the nuclear family. Next time you feel the urge to drink a glass of the devil's tears, down a fifth of whiskey instead.
Post by: SealyStar on October 31, 2013, 04:53:16 pm
Damned bipHuals.Hydroxic acid/Hydrogen Hydroxide. It goes both ways!Water, the immoral molecule: it has no sexual decency! Stop drinking water today if you aren't a hell-bound godless communist dedicated to the destruction of the nuclear family. Next time you feel the urge to drink a glass of the devil's tears, down a fifth of whiskey instead.
Post by: scrdest on October 31, 2013, 04:54:58 pm
It is, but its composition can be described as if it were an acid :PDEFINITION: a statement of the exact meaning of a word, esp. in a dictionary.That one was one of the first things a colleague at my current job said to me. She wasn't joking.The definition of definition is recursion.
Another colleague more recently asked me what "definition" meant. She wasn't joking either.Is it acidic though? I thought it was neutral.Dihydrogen Monoxide, I think. It's this really dangerous chemical - about 95% of the people who have consumed it are dead.It is hydroxic acid to me. Everyone knows dihydrogen monoxide already. You can still trick them with this one, especially since it has the dreaded "acid" in it.
Not really, autodissociation yields both a hydronium cation (H3O+ and a hydroxyl anion (OH-, so no matter what you do it is either both or neither an acid and a base.
But, since the general formula for alcohols is CnH2n+1OH, with n=0, you could call it a nullanol.
Post by: MonkeyHead on October 31, 2013, 05:19:23 pm
Post by: scrdest on October 31, 2013, 05:24:37 pm
Now, I am not a chemist, so I might be making this shit up (as all good Physicists do), but as water has an -OH group, couldnt we call it Hydronol?
That's pretty much what I said in the above post. Except both are bullshit, because -ol suffix means a hydroxyl group attached to a carbon atom.
But, another good one would be diprotium oxide - protium is the name for the plain ol' isotope of hydrogen. The mono- in Hydrogen Monoxide was unnecessary anyway.
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on October 31, 2013, 07:38:33 pm
Post by: scrdest on October 31, 2013, 07:42:04 pm
Time for a scene in a movie where the bad guy described his superweapon, using a bunch of terms that basically mean he put a lot of water in a jug.
Well, it still beats a neutrino cannon in effectiveness by a large margin.
Post by: Graknorke on October 31, 2013, 07:48:31 pm
"Now I will fire my cannon!"Time for a scene in a movie where the bad guy described his superweapon, using a bunch of terms that basically mean he put a lot of water in a jug.
Well, it still beats a neutrino cannon in effectiveness by a large margin.
"Oh nooooo. ...have you fired it yet?"
"Yes I have, can't you see the havok these neutrinos are wreaking upon your country from my satellite, Mr President?"
And somewhere a physics teacher is watching the television broadcast an laughing at memories of the one student who did naught but piss around all the time.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 31, 2013, 07:50:07 pm
Post by: Bauglir on October 31, 2013, 07:52:19 pm
Post by: Graknorke on October 31, 2013, 08:01:57 pm
If the neutrinos aren't working, you just need to fire more of them.Oh right, I forgot. DEFCON military strategies.
Post by: scrdest on November 01, 2013, 03:49:19 am
If the neutrinos aren't working, you just need to fire more of them.Oh right, I forgot. Zerg military strategies.
FTFY
Post by: Max White on November 01, 2013, 04:52:54 am
Post by: Descan on November 01, 2013, 11:44:59 am
I love the Zerg lore. If I could be any race, I'd totally be a Zerg overmind without any species besides the "infest and suck out DNA" little worm thingy.
Then go to South America and nom nom nom on all the wildlife there.
Post by: IronTomato on November 01, 2013, 12:23:15 pm
-A girl in my science class, to an irate teacher who had already explained the answer.
Post by: Darvi on November 01, 2013, 12:24:40 pm
She must have lots of mass, if she's that dense.
Post by: Eric Blank on November 01, 2013, 12:26:47 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 01, 2013, 01:12:42 pm
Technically she could just as well be average-mass, but very, very small.Did she happen to be wearing a Gravity Brassier? (http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Gravity_Brassier)
Yes that is the first thing I thought of. I'm sorry.
Post by: Shadowscynthe on November 02, 2013, 01:17:34 pm
I really said the dumb part.
"it hit me in my lungs so it made an air hole."
Post by: IronTomato on November 02, 2013, 03:20:42 pm
There isn't one that would make sense,Volume is the amount of space an object occupies, mass is the amount of matter it contains.
Post by: scrdest on November 02, 2013, 03:53:16 pm
I was playing Adventurer mode and I had a knife stuck in my upper body that I thought sounded cool, and my friend told me- "If there's a knife stuck in you, how are you breathing?"
I really said the dumb part.
"it hit me in my lungs so it made an air hole."
Well, you still have the other lung, don't you?
Post by: Helgoland on November 02, 2013, 04:47:51 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 02, 2013, 09:58:49 pm
Who ever said it had been stuck in the lung/had caused the lung to collapsed? A knife stuck in you is not exactly insta-death...The trachea is probably intact too. So unless the knife was stuck through all your intercostal muscles or something you should be fine.
EDIT:
Quote from: Regarding Anno2070
i hope that theres a limited ammount of resources, it just never runs out.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on November 04, 2013, 04:14:30 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dutchling on November 04, 2013, 04:17:02 am
This honestly offends me, and demonstrates a clear ignorance for the game.Offensive? That shit is hilarious xDIf it wasn't for pdfs on the internet, D&D would be MUCH more than $200. Seriously, its like he just looked at an 'Essentials' list and added up the prices. Disappointing.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Xantalos on November 04, 2013, 04:19:24 am
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on November 04, 2013, 04:21:26 am
/me fails at sarcasm.This honestly offends me, and demonstrates a clear ignorance for the game.Offensive? That shit is hilarious xDIf it wasn't for pdfs on the internet, D&D would be MUCH more than $200. Seriously, its like he just looked at an 'Essentials' list and added up the prices. Disappointing.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sensei on November 04, 2013, 04:22:39 am
Well, in the case of my group, we have a couple characters ready at any given time. :P
Post by: Darvi on November 04, 2013, 06:12:04 am
Also, usually we just make a new character when we die...I'm pretty sure that's not how DnD works, you're gonna off yourself eventually when you lose your character.
You can also do magic, but that's kinda off the point.
Post by: scrdest on November 04, 2013, 06:21:10 am
Also, usually we just make a new character when we die...I'm pretty sure that's not how DnD works, you're gonna off yourself eventually when you lose your character.
You can also do magic, but that's kinda off the point.
Wait, you mean you cannot do magic IRL thanks to playing DnD now? DAMMIT, 4th EDITION!
Post by: Darvi on November 04, 2013, 06:32:06 am
Post by: scrdest on November 04, 2013, 06:39:22 am
That's almost precisely the exact opposite of what I said.
I took it you were talking about Chickverse, which is so far removed of reality that assuming the opposite to be true is often a fairly accurate approximation of reality.
Post by: Graknorke on November 09, 2013, 09:05:09 am
This entire thing.
Post by: OREOSOME on November 09, 2013, 09:14:44 am
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1892112000/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=#reader_B0038KA6GCWell.. At least most of the reviews are negative ones. Aside from 900 of them. So there is that.
This entire thing.
Post by: Korbac on November 09, 2013, 09:20:29 am
Post by: Redzephyr01 on November 09, 2013, 10:09:07 am
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Sorry but cis-ethnicity is an oppressive concept which has a basis in patriarchal bloodlines.I don't even...
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2013, 01:23:10 pm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1892112000/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=#reader_B0038KA6GCWell.. At least most of the reviews are negative ones. Aside from 900 of them. So there is that.
This entire thing.
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Wonderful book. So glad somebody is finally brave enough to stand up for the pro-beating-up-babies movement. For too long, those little bald bastards have been walking (or crawling) all over us decent grown folk, and I for one am sick of it. These authors give such good advice it's insane! I could sing the praises of these amazing, God-fearing baby-beaters all day, but I thought I'd take this opportunity to recommend a few other titles sure to be right up the alley of anyone who enjoys this book.
Cooking for Company - Jeffrey Dahmer
Best Christmas Ever: A Couple's Guide to the Holidays - Scott Peterson
Dog Bathing Made Easy - Michael Vick
And last but not least,
All Aboard: A Final Solution for Train Enthusiasts - Adolph Hitler
Happy reading, everybody!
Post by: Eotyrannus on November 09, 2013, 01:24:57 pm
Post by: OREOSOME on November 09, 2013, 01:25:57 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2013, 01:28:11 pm
I'm pretty sure that comment is trying to make a joke. Probably because of the other suggested 'Books'.You don't say?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 09, 2013, 01:29:00 pm
I'm pretty sure that comment is trying to make a joke. Probably because of the other suggested 'Books'.The second (full) sentence didn't tip you off?
EDIT: VVV Okay, that's just hilarious.
Post by: Caz on November 09, 2013, 01:30:41 pm
Quote from: http://transsoberidentity.tumblr.com/
Many people in the trans sober community face oppression that cis sober shit lords can never imagine. And yes shit lord, while I am drunk almost all the time, I am a sober person living in the body of a drunk. It's called oppression and you might want to take some time off from being a privileged cis sober shit lord to understand what my community goes through. This blog is a "safe space" set up for trans sober people to share their oppression. And yes shit lord, I know I spelled "privilege " wrong on the header. Sober privilege is not being too drunk when making your blog that you don't make irreversible spelling errors.
My fellow trans sobers, please feel free to share your stories of oppression and victimization in a safe space free of shit lord cis sober oppression.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2013, 01:32:23 pm
Post by: MorleyDev on November 09, 2013, 01:52:19 pm
PLEASE PLEASE do not purchase or read this book.. - Jill Modert
It is child abuse and I cannot believe anyone would even THINK this book is okay. - concerned
It has very good principles for parents who want to raise godly children. - MayuGM
Post by: kaijyuu on November 09, 2013, 02:01:34 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on November 09, 2013, 02:07:10 pm
Some of their other books are pretty horrific too: http://www.amazon.com/Created-Be-His-Help-Meet/dp/1892112604/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_yI will again link to the blog that is doing an extensive and ongoing critical analysis of the book. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/tag/created-to-be-his-help-meet) Shit be crazy.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 11, 2013, 10:43:44 am
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#they actually showed a pretty accurate representation of how witches truly are not terrible people and it’s just their lifestyle. #i really really really loved that fact
None of those things are accurate about real witches because there are no real witches. Witches were not good people because witches were not people because witches do not exist. I know you want to praise this more positive female role that would traditionally be viewed negatively, but pretending witches and wizards are real is not the way to go about that.
I really try to avoid reading any paragraph that's made up entirely of hashtags because I know it will be stupid. I don't know why I read this one.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 11, 2013, 10:59:48 am
Someone on Tumblr praising Brave:Quote#they actually showed a pretty accurate representation of how witches truly are not terrible people and it’s just their lifestyle. #i really really really loved that fact
None of those things are accurate about real witches because there are no real witches. Witches were not good people because witches were not people because witches do not exist. I know you want to praise this more positive female role that would traditionally be viewed negatively, but pretending witches and wizards are real is not the way to go about that.
I really try to avoid reading any paragraph that's made up entirely of hashtags because I know it will be stupid. I don't know why I read this one.
#check your hashtag privilege #jesus #cissignalism
Post by: frostshotgg on November 11, 2013, 11:27:04 am
Someone on Tumblr praising Brave:#muggleprivilege #nomagic #cisscience #shitlord #triggerwarning #witchhunting #hatersgonnahate #helpimrunningoutofideasQuote#they actually showed a pretty accurate representation of how witches truly are not terrible people and it’s just their lifestyle. #i really really really loved that fact
None of those things are accurate about real witches because there are no real witches. Witches were not good people because witches were not people because witches do not exist. I know you want to praise this more positive female role that would traditionally be viewed negatively, but pretending witches and wizards are real is not the way to go about that.
I really try to avoid reading any paragraph that's made up entirely of hashtags because I know it will be stupid. I don't know why I read this one.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on November 11, 2013, 12:43:22 pm
Any list of hashtags is incomplete with out at least one of these: #swag #yolo #420 #yoloswag #yolo420 #420swag #yolo420swagSomeone on Tumblr praising Brave:#muggleprivilege #nomagic #cisscience #shitlord #triggerwarning #witchhunting #hatersgonnahate #helpimrunningoutofideasQuote#they actually showed a pretty accurate representation of how witches truly are not terrible people and it’s just their lifestyle. #i really really really loved that fact
None of those things are accurate about real witches because there are no real witches. Witches were not good people because witches were not people because witches do not exist. I know you want to praise this more positive female role that would traditionally be viewed negatively, but pretending witches and wizards are real is not the way to go about that.
I really try to avoid reading any paragraph that's made up entirely of hashtags because I know it will be stupid. I don't know why I read this one.
Post by: Descan on November 11, 2013, 12:55:46 pm
"Help, I'm being oppressed! By shitlords!"
Like seriously. Best Word Ever.
Post by: Oliolli on November 11, 2013, 01:08:57 pm
Shitlord is my favourite.
"Help, I'm being oppressed! By shitlords!"
Like seriously. Best Word Ever.
You're the shitlord? Well, I didn't vote for you.
Post by: Descan on November 11, 2013, 01:10:30 pm
Post by: SealyStar on November 11, 2013, 01:19:32 pm
#cisreality #saneprivilegeSomeone on Tumblr praising Brave:#muggleprivilege #nomagic #cisscience #shitlord #triggerwarning #witchhunting #hatersgonnahate #helpimrunningoutofideasQuote#they actually showed a pretty accurate representation of how witches truly are not terrible people and it’s just their lifestyle. #i really really really loved that fact
None of those things are accurate about real witches because there are no real witches. Witches were not good people because witches were not people because witches do not exist. I know you want to praise this more positive female role that would traditionally be viewed negatively, but pretending witches and wizards are real is not the way to go about that.
I really try to avoid reading any paragraph that's made up entirely of hashtags because I know it will be stupid. I don't know why I read this one.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 11, 2013, 01:41:58 pm
I'm the shittiest lord. There is no lord shittier than me.
i am the sideless lord
there is no lord with less sides than me
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 11, 2013, 01:50:12 pm
My sides are in orbit, I am spase lordI'm the shittiest lord. There is no lord shittier than me.
i am the sideless lord
there is no lord with less sides than me
There is no spase with less sides than me
Post by: frostshotgg on November 11, 2013, 02:13:01 pm
I am the hardness lord.My sides are in orbit, I am spase lordI'm the shittiest lord. There is no lord shittier than me.
i am the sideless lord
there is no lord with less sides than me
There is no spase with less sides than me
There are no diamonds harder than metal.
Post by: MonkeyHead on November 11, 2013, 02:19:42 pm
Actually, I am not, but I fucking love this guy so very much.
Post by: Darvi on November 11, 2013, 02:29:15 pm
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Post by: IronTomato on November 11, 2013, 06:22:25 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 11, 2013, 06:25:33 pm
Post by: FearfulJesuit on November 11, 2013, 06:27:01 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 11, 2013, 06:31:09 pm
Now you, too, can relive the glory that was /r/atheism before the mod change. (http://www.atheistmemebase.com/)Not enough spaghetti 2/10 would not insult.
Post by: Helgoland on November 11, 2013, 06:35:41 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 11, 2013, 06:37:05 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It can be on fire for Five Finger Death Punch for all I care, that is seriously radical. :P
Post by: Graknorke on November 11, 2013, 06:42:50 pm
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Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on November 11, 2013, 07:04:00 pm
The pastor says "Go home Higgs Boson, you're drunk."I have such a soft spot for anti-jokes.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The entire city is engulfed in light as all is destroyed in a colossal explosion of plasma. Millions die in the greatest tragedy of the modern era. Parts of the surrounding landscape are occasionally still found in orbit. None live now in the molten crater that once contained that fateful church.
Post by: Graknorke on November 11, 2013, 07:05:58 pm
Post by: Descan on November 11, 2013, 07:06:51 pm
Therefore, no difference. CHECKMATE ATHEISTS.
Post by: Korbac on November 11, 2013, 07:19:46 pm
CHECKMATE ATHEISTS.
I have checked my mate and he seems pretty fine to be honest.
Post by: Frumple on November 11, 2013, 07:21:31 pm
Nor am I entirely sure what an anti-joke is, but I digress...
... I'd kinda' expect the priest to tell the Higgs Boson it's a protestant church, though >_>
Post by: Graknorke on November 11, 2013, 07:22:52 pm
Check him againCHECKMATE ATHEISTS.
I have checked my mate and he seems pretty fine to be honest.
on the penis
with penetration.
I'm out of SMBC Theater lines. Sorry.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 11, 2013, 07:23:03 pm
CHESSMATE ROMANTICISTSCHECKMATE ATHEISTS.I have checked my mate and he seems pretty fine to be honest.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on November 11, 2013, 07:26:40 pm
OH, THE TRUE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SUCH CLOSE AND FATEFUL FRIENDS. OH, THE SHARING THE SAME BED DUE TO PROBABLY UNFORESEEABLE CIRCUMSTANCES. OH, THE AWKWARD PHYSICAL CONTACT FUELED BY DECADES OF REPRESSED DESIRES. OH THE SHAME, JESUS HELP US ALL.CHESSMATE ROMANTICISTSCHECKMATE ATHEISTS.I have checked my mate and he seems pretty fine to be honest.
Post by: Korbac on November 11, 2013, 07:36:06 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on November 11, 2013, 09:34:37 pm
Now you, too, can relive the glory that was /r/atheism before the mod change. (http://www.atheistmemebase.com/)This is better than FSTDT!
Post by: Helgoland on November 12, 2013, 08:42:56 am
We are making fun of the content posted on that site, right? Cause honestly, it's pretty dumb...Now you, too, can relive the glory that was /r/atheism before the mod change. (http://www.atheistmemebase.com/)This is better than FSTDT!
Post by: Flying Dice on November 12, 2013, 10:37:07 am
We are making fun of the content posted on that site, right? Cause honestly, it's pretty dumb...Now you, too, can relive the glory that was /r/atheism before the mod change. (http://www.atheistmemebase.com/)This is better than FSTDT!
Spoiler: I beg to differ. (click to show/hide)
Post by: miauw62 on November 12, 2013, 10:49:38 am
Post by: Jelle on November 12, 2013, 11:43:54 am
Now you, too, can relive the glory that was /r/atheism before the mod change. (http://www.atheistmemebase.com/)
I had planned to spend the time productively, curse you! Not in the biblical way mind.
For real though, many laughs.
Post by: Descan on November 12, 2013, 11:54:35 am
Post by: Darvi on November 12, 2013, 12:12:01 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 13, 2013, 12:25:06 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on November 13, 2013, 12:36:51 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 13, 2013, 12:40:34 pm
You should have heaps of fun with this site. Both articles and comments. (http://incogman.net/)The link doesn't work for me.
Post by: acetech09 on November 13, 2013, 12:41:05 pm
You should have heaps of fun with this site. Both articles and comments. (http://incogman.net/)The link doesn't work for me.
Probably blocked for obvious reasons, wherever you are.
Post by: IronTomato on November 13, 2013, 12:45:43 pm
You should have heaps of fun with this site. Both articles and comments. (http://incogman.net/)Things like that make me wonder how sites like this get left alone, while other things constantly get attacked because of "copyrights" and other such nonsense.
Post by: MaximumZero on November 13, 2013, 03:41:00 pm
You should have heaps of fun with this site. Both articles and comments. (http://incogman.net/)WTF, what is wrong with people that run sites like these?
Post by: Graknorke on November 13, 2013, 07:27:23 pm
I guess it could be my ISP who blocked it then. I mean, they are the ones who blocked TPB, but that had a specialised page informing you of why they were forced into blocking it by the government trying to control what they don't understand.Probably blocked for obvious reasons, wherever you are.You should have heaps of fun with this site. Both articles and comments. (http://incogman.net/)The link doesn't work for me.
This doesn't have anything though. It's as if the website just doesn't exist.
Post by: hops on November 14, 2013, 03:31:44 am
Post by: MaximumZero on November 14, 2013, 03:49:10 am
The difference here, methinks, is that the "witch" from Brave was a semi-new twist on an old stereotype, which has nothing to do with reality, only storytelling. Furthermore, none of the Wiccans, pagans, or new age wooers actually believed that they could perform magic as seen in fiction. They do rituals, sure, and they believe that they hold some foggy, fairly undetermined sway over reality, but none of them are brewing potions to turn you into a bear. If that were the case, I would like a dozen, please. I will become the most bearest bear of all time.Someone on Tumblr praising Brave:Please don't insult Wicca just because you do not share their worldview.Quote#they actually showed a pretty accurate representation of how witches truly are not terrible people and it’s just their lifestyle. #i really really really loved that fact
None of those things are accurate about real witches because there are no real witches. Witches were not good people because witches were not people because witches do not exist. I know you want to praise this more positive female role that would traditionally be viewed negatively, but pretending witches and wizards are real is not the way to go about that.
I really try to avoid reading any paragraph that's made up entirely of hashtags because I know it will be stupid. I don't know why I read this one.
tl;dr: Chill, bro. No one brought anyone's religion into this.
Post by: hops on November 14, 2013, 03:52:34 am
Can we please redact this or something?
Post by: Max White on November 14, 2013, 04:00:06 am
If I were saying believing that because in a video game a priest has certain mythical powers that doesn't mean in real life the christian church has special magical powers, nobody would bat an eye. It would be a sane and rational comment. So why is pointing out that there is a difference between witches in fictitious media and the beliefs of real life wiccans is offensive?
In real life there are not priests who run about healing people with glowing hands. It just doesn't happen, it is fictional, they don't exist, and you understand that I'm talking about a different thing to clergymen right? Well it is the same deal. Not all Witches are of the wiccan verity.
Post by: Gentlefish on November 14, 2013, 04:18:47 am
Post by: Max White on November 14, 2013, 04:25:54 am
Post by: ZetaX on November 14, 2013, 06:22:04 am
Post by: Helgoland on November 14, 2013, 08:58:46 am
Now I don't want to offend here, as an atheist I see pretty much all faiths on even footing. If you believe there is something sacred about pointed, wide brimmed hats then at least they are far more useful than that thing the pope wears, but still...Ah, they don't have healing spells - but haven't you wondered why we have mass wine, incense, holy water and the eucharist? And that's not even considering the stuff our exorcists can do...
If I were saying believing that because in a video game a priest has certain mythical powers that doesn't mean in real life the christian church has special magical powers, nobody would bat an eye. It would be a sane and rational comment. So why is pointing out that there is a difference between witches in fictitious media and the beliefs of real life wiccans is offensive?
In real life there are not priests who run about healing people with glowing hands. It just doesn't happen, it is fictional, they don't exist, and you understand that I'm talking about a different thing to clergymen right? Well it is the same deal. Not all Witches are of the wiccan verity.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on November 14, 2013, 09:43:26 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 14, 2013, 09:46:17 am
Post by: miauw62 on November 14, 2013, 12:03:50 pm
Quote from: A friend
Him: Light takes 24 years to get here from Alpha CentauriCue me trying to explain to him why it takes 4,3 years for light to reach us from a place 4,3 lightyears away, and eventually being dismissed by "Jeez, why do you keep going on about this?"
Me: But it's 4,3 lightyears away, shouldn't it take 4,3 years?
Him: No, I did the maths.
Yeah, if I say "no, you're wrong, it works like this" and you say "no im right" I should just fuck off?
Post by: MaximumZero on November 14, 2013, 12:14:38 pm
Slap him. With a book. Preferably a math, science, physics, or astronomy book. Anything by Carl Sagan on Neil deGrasse Tyson would also be acceptable.Quote from: A friendHim: Light takes 24 years to get here from Alpha CentauriCue me trying to explain to him why it takes 4,3 years for light to reach us from a place 4,3 lightyears away, and eventually being dismissed by "Jeez, why do you keep going on about this?"
Me: But it's 4,3 lightyears away, shouldn't it take 4,3 years?
Him: No, I did the maths.
Yeah, if I say "no, you're wrong, it works like this" and you say "no im right" I should just fuck off?
Post by: miauw62 on November 14, 2013, 12:16:57 pm
Post by: IronTomato on November 14, 2013, 12:19:35 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 14, 2013, 12:20:36 pm
What kinds of maths did he do? Everyone knows that the reason it's called a light year is because it takes a YEAR for LIGHT to travel that distance.Maybe he knows nothing about special relativity and thinks that we're moving apart at 6c?
Post by: Sheb on November 14, 2013, 12:25:40 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 14, 2013, 12:33:30 pm
Post by: miauw62 on November 14, 2013, 12:34:38 pm
What kinds of maths did he do? Everyone knows that the reason it's called a light year is because it takes a YEAR for LIGHT to travel that distance.He converted lightyears down to kilometres and then divided the amount of kilometers with c in km.
I tried to explain him that a lightyear is a lightyear because it's the distance light travles in a year, but he just vaguely said "we need time, not distance"
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 14, 2013, 12:46:52 pm
Maybe he think space is actually made of Germanium.
with all the secret nazis in space it might as well
Post by: MagmaMcFry on November 14, 2013, 08:08:13 pm
I tried to explain him that a lightyear is a lightyear because it's the distance light travles in a year, but he just vaguely said "we need time, not distance"Ask him how much time it takes for light to travel a lightyear. If he says something else than a year, ask him why it's called a lightyear. If he says a year, then ask him how much time it takes for light to travel 4.3 lightyears.
I'd call this strategy "binary dissonance amplification", but I'm still looking for a better name. :P
Post by: Scelly9 on November 15, 2013, 12:26:19 am
Although that does remind me, earlier today, on a whim, I did some quick calculations and worked out that between the Earth and the Sun there are about 6*10^24 hydrogen atoms (assuming one atom per cubic metre). That seems like way too large a number, even though it's not really that big considering.That... can not be right. A mol of hydrogen is 1.204*10^24 hydrogen atoms, and we have a hell of a lot more hydrogen than that.
Post by: Descan on November 15, 2013, 12:33:41 am
Post by: Graknorke on November 15, 2013, 02:39:06 am
Yeah. <1 atom per meter is intergalactic.Oh, alright. I was doing this mostly in relation to someone else's speech so I let them find the numbers.
Post by: Skyrunner on November 15, 2013, 07:11:45 am
Post by: SealyStar on November 15, 2013, 07:30:13 am
Post by: Blargityblarg on November 15, 2013, 07:31:32 am
I'd be more, "only 10^24 hydrogen atoms between the Sun and the Earth?!"
That's a bit more than one and a half grams, mind you.
Post by: Sheb on November 15, 2013, 07:43:05 am
The number of hydrogen atoms per cubic meter in the sun is probably higher than most people could even comprehend, most definitely not one.
He was speaking about the space between here and the sun.
Post by: SealyStar on November 15, 2013, 08:34:25 am
Oh.The number of hydrogen atoms per cubic meter in the sun is probably higher than most people could even comprehend, most definitely not one.
He was speaking about the space between here and the sun.
That might make sense, though in turn I'm curious how you measure the space (presumably volume) between two spher(oid)s of vastly different sizes millions of miles apart. Is it, like, a cone-type shape?
Post by: Mini on November 15, 2013, 08:50:04 am
Post by: Graknorke on November 15, 2013, 06:33:53 pm
I'd be more, "only 10^24 hydrogen atoms between the Sun and the Earth?!"I am not a person who feels things intuitively. Unless I know a thing then I am not at all good at guessing what it is.
And while I don't remember exactly what I did, I'm pretty sure I got the volume of a frustum going from a circle round the radius of the sun to one around the Earth. And even then I probably got it wrong.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 16, 2013, 02:24:07 am
Slap him. With a book. Preferably a math, science, physics, or astronomy book. Anything by Carl Sagan on Neil deGrasse Tyson would also be acceptable.
Astrophysicists are writing books on their fellow astrophysicists? That's getting too deep for the field of astrophysics. It risks forming a singularity of awesome mindsploding science that anyone can understand.
sorry, thought the typo made a pretty funny mental image. I assume you meant *or
Post by: scrdest on November 16, 2013, 04:52:24 am
Quote from: Radio in the restaurant
And now for something oldschool...
Cue said radio playing Nickleback.
I didn't know you can lol and bang your head on the wall at the same time, but I have empirically proven it possible.
Post by: Putnam on November 16, 2013, 05:11:27 am
Post by: scrdest on November 16, 2013, 06:35:28 am
That's not that stupid. Nickelback is as old as I am.
Same. I find it somewhat embarrassing. Guilt by association and everything.
But the median age for music I listen to is 40-ish, so when I hear 'Too Bad' being called 'oldschool', I have a Pavlovian wall-banging reaction.
Post by: da_nang on November 16, 2013, 07:58:14 am
Post by: Lich180 on November 16, 2013, 09:13:51 am
That belongs to the guys who moved out of jazz and blues and created proto-rock in the late 40's - 50's, and began the while genre.
Post by: Frumple on November 16, 2013, 12:00:44 pm
Post by: Sheb on November 16, 2013, 12:02:32 pm
Post by: Owlbread on November 16, 2013, 12:03:26 pm
Post by: Parsely on November 16, 2013, 10:23:44 pm
60's-70's ~~~ Classic
40's-50's ~~~ Oldies
FAKEDIT: 00's-Present ~~~ Dubstep
Post by: Max White on November 16, 2013, 10:26:25 pm
Post by: SealyStar on November 16, 2013, 10:59:49 pm
80's-90's ~~~ Y'know that one song..?It's really like
60's-70's ~~~ Classic
40's-50's ~~~ Oldies
FAKEDIT: 00's-Present ~~~ Dubstep
2000-Present - Modern
90s - Let's forget this decade
70s-80s - Classic
60s - Oldies
30s-50s - Nothing but jazz
1900-30s - Folk
4Ga-1900 - Classical
Post by: Frumple on November 16, 2013, 11:03:34 pm
Great grand pappy was a swing drummer in a circus. Blood shall be spilt for this.
Post by: Max White on November 16, 2013, 11:08:39 pm
4Ga-1900 - ClassicalOh come now, that is a pretty broad stroke there. Although still beautiful, I would be hesitant to actually call many pieces from the 1900's 'classic', they just wander too far from the more influential pieces.
Funnily enough I'm listening to Satie right now... God I fucking love the gnossiennes. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLHiou7anEl)
Post by: Thief on November 16, 2013, 11:10:33 pm
Post by: SealyStar on November 16, 2013, 11:18:23 pm
Those aren't my opinions, those are what I think other people think.4Ga-1900 - ClassicalOh come now, that is a pretty broad stroke there. Although still beautiful, I would be hesitant to actually call many pieces from the 1900's 'classic', they just wander too far from the more influential pieces.
Funnily enough I'm listening to Satie right now... God I fucking love the gnossiennes. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLHiou7anEl)
Basically, everything until folk and jazz was invented must be classical, right?
Post by: Max White on November 16, 2013, 11:22:01 pm
Well yea, I guess people do tend to not have the greatest insight into music... Although I wouldn't say people are too keen to forget the 90s either.
Post by: misko27 on November 16, 2013, 11:23:07 pm
Fix'd.
1975-2013: Contemporary
1890-1875: Modern
1815-1890: Romantic
1730-1820: Classical
1600-1760: Baroque
Post by: Darvi on November 16, 2013, 11:35:21 pm
Modern music is so modern, it's postmodern in its passage through time.Fix'd.
1975-2013: Contemporary
1890-1875: Modern
1815-1890: Romantic
1730-1820: Classical
1600-1760: Baroque
Post by: Max White on November 16, 2013, 11:43:24 pm
I'm sure history will look back and only remember the really good stuff, forgetting the tonnes of rubbish, and will consider this an amazing decade for music.
Post by: TCM on November 16, 2013, 11:45:16 pm
500-1200: Perfecting banging, Advanced grunting.
1200-1600: Varied by location, ranging from drums and rhythmic chanting to depressing harpsichord.
1600-1910: Serious white guys in silly outfits.
1910-1930: Jazz, ragtime, swing, suits.
1930-1950: Show-tunes or something?
1950-1963: Rock N' Roll
1963-1971: Acid trip.
1971-1980: Figured out how to make artificial electronic stuff.
1980-1988: Serious white guys in silly outfits Part 2: The Reckoning.
1988-1999: Anger.
1999-2006: Incoherent yelling.
2006-2010: Perpetually in the club.
2011-Present: Disco revival and twerk-time.
Seems 'bout right.
Post by: scrdest on November 17, 2013, 05:49:11 am
Pre-history-A.D. 500: Sporadic banging, collective grunting.
500-1200: Perfecting banging, Advanced grunting.
1200-1600: Varied by location, ranging from drums and rhythmic chanting to depressing harpsichord.
1600-1910: Serious white guys in silly outfits.
1910-1930: Jazz, ragtime, swing, suits.
1930-1950: Show-tunes or something?
1950-1963: Rock N' Roll
1963-1971: Acid trip.
1971-1980: Figured out how to make artificial electronic stuff.
1980-1988: Serious white guys in silly outfits Part 2: The Reckoning.
1988-1999: Anger.
1999-2006: Incoherent yelling.
2006-2010: Perpetually in the club.
2011-Present: Disco revival and twerk-time.
Seems 'bout right.
1930-1950 is Jazz and Swing some more, having gone mainstream and Country.
1971-1976 is missing twenty minutes long rock suites. Dark Side of The Moon, 2112, Tarkus, Pawn Hearts, Close To The Edge... At no other time in history there was such a concentration of waaaaay longer than usual rock songs.
1976-1980 is the original Anger, with Punk getting big then deflating in a few short years.
Post by: kaian-a-coel on November 17, 2013, 05:51:20 am
Pre-history-A.D. 500: Sporadic banging, collective grunting.Suuuuuure...
500-1200: Perfecting banging, Advanced grunting.
1200-1600: Varied by location, ranging from drums and rhythmic chanting to depressing harpsichord.
Seems 'bout right.
200 B.C greek theater will have a word with you. And 400 A.D celtic harp and songs. And medieval choirs and church organ. That kind of stuff.
Did you just file late medieval era under prehistoric times?
Post by: miauw62 on November 17, 2013, 08:47:00 am
Post by: Owlbread on November 17, 2013, 09:00:08 am
Post by: Helgoland on November 17, 2013, 09:28:29 am
I know somebody who plays church organs. I feel like that's probably one of the best instruments ever. I mean, what's not awesome about a fucking huge church organ?Meh, either you're doing generic church stuff (which is pretty non-interesting), or you're breaking your fingers laying down some sick mad classical shit, yo. In short: It's either boring or waaayyy complicated. That applies to most instruments, though ;)
Post by: scrdest on November 17, 2013, 11:26:27 am
I know somebody who plays church organs. I feel like that's probably one of the best instruments ever. I mean, what's not awesome about a fucking huge church organ?Meh, either you're doing generic church stuff (which is pretty non-interesting), or you're breaking your fingers laying down some sick mad classical shit, yo. In short: It's either boring or waaayyy complicated. That applies to most instruments, though ;)
Or you're breaking your fingers laying down some sick mad new shit, yo.
In fact, I wish there were more bands that go out of the Rhythm/Lead, Bass, Drums, Keyboard comfort zone. It's not that someone went and proven it cannot work - quite to the contrary, for example a Saxophone can sound scary as hell (http://youtu.be/rLd33iMnPTU?t=5m10s).
Post by: Helgoland on November 17, 2013, 11:46:46 am
Or you're breaking your fingers laying down some sick mad new shit, yo.Well yeah, but there's very little modern stuff for the organ. Plus the classical stuff is awesome, just listen to Davy Jones play in Pirates of the Caribbean!
EDIT: That was appropriate for this thread, just noticed Hans Zimmer, the composer, was born in 1957. Bach (whom I usually hate) might be a better example here :P
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2013, 12:26:36 pm
Post by: miauw62 on November 17, 2013, 12:28:01 pm
I demand a link.Or you're breaking your fingers laying down some sick mad new shit, yo.Well yeah, but there's very little modern stuff for the organ. Plus the classical stuff is awesome, just listen to Davy Jones play in Pirates of the Carribean!
Post by: Helgoland on November 17, 2013, 01:00:01 pm
Your wish is my command:I demand a link.Or you're breaking your fingers laying down some sick mad new shit, yo.Well yeah, but there's very little modern stuff for the organ. Plus the classical stuff is awesome, just listen to Davy Jones play in Pirates of the Carribean!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UfT0jVzNkw
It's not an organ solo piece, though.
And for some Bach organ, no pun intended:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTVraVgzC9U
Pretty much the standard organ piece, I guess.
Post by: Xantalos on November 17, 2013, 01:58:00 pm
Personally I'd rather not even think about laying my hands on organs of the Church.http://m.imgur.com/gallery/p8oPz6W
Post by: scrdest on November 17, 2013, 02:58:05 pm
Personally I'd rather not even think about laying my hands on organs of the Church.
Yeah, the Church sure does like Bach, in particular Concerto for Organ in A Minor.
Post by: GiglameshDespair on November 17, 2013, 03:21:40 pm
I mean, what's not awesome about a fucking huge church organ?
I think a lot of little altar boys could tell you what's not.
Post by: TCM on November 17, 2013, 04:34:40 pm
Pre-history-A.D. 500: Sporadic banging, collective grunting.Suuuuuure...
500-1200: Perfecting banging, Advanced grunting.
1200-1600: Varied by location, ranging from drums and rhythmic chanting to depressing harpsichord.
Seems 'bout right.
200 B.C greek theater will have a word with you. And 400 A.D celtic harp and songs. And medieval choirs and church organ. That kind of stuff.
Did you just file late medieval era under prehistoric times?
I think I've done a perfectly accurate job in methodically labeling all periods of musical history. As for putting late medieval era together with pre-history, well, why not? Not much got done in the Dark Age. Peasants starved to death, knights beat each other with phallic objects, and royalty killed each other over wanting additional slices of pie or concerning which flavor of ice cream Jesus Christ preferred.
For a "disco revival" this decade doesn't seem to have much sunshine.
Two of the biggest hits this year have been disco songs. And both Bruno Mars and Justin Timberlake have released disco tracks. And wasn't there a disco song or two on GaGa's ArtPop?
On-topic, I heard this gem today:
"Tupac didn't get killed in Las Vegas, he survived but then he died in the Earthquake in Haidy [sic] so when he comes back we'll all be dead anyways."
Post by: Sheb on November 17, 2013, 05:21:32 pm
Personally I'd rather not even think about laying my hands on organs of the Church.
Yeah, the Church sure does like Bach, in particular Concerto for Organ in A Minor.
This made me cringe.
Post by: Frumple on November 17, 2013, 05:25:16 pm
... makes me wonder if the language back then was such that, well. That.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on November 17, 2013, 05:26:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PyBWLALFLQYour wish is my command:I demand a link.Or you're breaking your fingers laying down some sick mad new shit, yo.Well yeah, but there's very little modern stuff for the organ. Plus the classical stuff is awesome, just listen to Davy Jones play in Pirates of the Carribean!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UfT0jVzNkw
It's not an organ solo piece, though.
And for some Bach organ, no pun intended:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTVraVgzC9U
Pretty much the standard organ piece, I guess.
Post by: ZetaX on November 17, 2013, 05:56:57 pm
Holy hell, that actually is one of Bach's pieces. One I've heard, even.Actually, a "organ concerto in A-minor" by Bach does not exist at all, but is a modern construct. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_concerto#Johann_Sebastian_Bach_.281685.E2.80.931750.29 . Apart from that, any such innuendo would be missing from the german or italian translation, anyway.
... makes me wonder if the language back then was such that, well. That.
Post by: Frumple on November 17, 2013, 06:38:25 pm
Though yeah, translation. Forgot about that. Shame.
Post by: Putnam on November 17, 2013, 09:24:55 pm
Post by: Frumple on November 17, 2013, 10:56:19 pm
Or... it's a transcription by Bach for two violins, and a basso continuo by Vivaldi?
Post by: Putnam on November 17, 2013, 11:19:53 pm
It's a transcription for organ by Bach that was originally a piece for 2 violins and basso continuo by Vivaldi.
Post by: Frumple on November 17, 2013, 11:26:15 pm
Though, uh. How is that not an organ concerto in A minor? Organ transcription of a concerto'd still be a concerto, right?
Post by: kaian-a-coel on November 18, 2013, 12:35:50 am
I think I've done a perfectly accurate job in methodically labeling all periods of musical history. As for putting late medieval era together with pre-history, well, why not? Not much got done in the Dark Age. Peasants starved to death, knights beat each other with phallic objects, and royalty killed each other over wanting additional slices of pie or concerning which flavor of ice cream Jesus Christ preferred.This was going to the stupid things you've heard people say, but then I realized it already was.
I mean you can't be serious.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on November 18, 2013, 09:54:56 am
Did you just file late medieval era under prehistoric times?i think in music history it is, since proper musical notation wasn't a thing until about the baroque. everything before is just called antique music... that's what my brother told me from his music history class
Post by: kaian-a-coel on November 18, 2013, 11:48:41 am
Well, if you define "prehistoric" by "before the invention of writing", then yes it is prehistoric.Did you just file late medieval era under prehistoric times?i think in music history it is, since proper musical notation wasn't a thing until about the baroque. everything before is just called antique music... that's what my brother told me from his music history class
EDIT: Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_music) says, in a very lenghty article, that musical notation was indeed a thing all the way before the 13th century though. In fact, modern notation method was born somewhere around 1000 AD (If I read that well. Might be earlier even).
What I am fairly offended about is that TCM puts ancient celtic music (amongst others) in the "advanced grunting and perfecting banging" category. I mean, shit, when you enter "medieval" in Youtube's search engine, "medieval music" is the second suggestion, and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GRLRm9oKUM&hd=1) is the first result of the search. I dare you to dismiss it as "banging and grunting". It's like dismissing everything between the fall of the roman empire and the renaissance as "the Dark Ages".
Post by: scrdest on November 18, 2013, 12:16:20 pm
It's like dismissing everything between the fall of the roman empire and the renaissance as "the Dark Ages".
So, pretty much everyone except those who specialize in the field don't realize it's wrong? :P
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on November 18, 2013, 01:09:15 pm
Well, if you define "prehistoric" by "before the invention of writing", then yes it is prehistoric.that's pretty much the definition of prehistoric. i think the thing about medieval, and greek, and cuneiform, etc. notation was that it was incomplete by modern standards and leave much to interpretation. but one can say that about early alphabets, and they still count as historic, so... eh.
Post by: miauw62 on November 18, 2013, 01:13:06 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 18, 2013, 01:24:39 pm
What I am fairly offended about is that TCM puts ancient celtic music (amongst others) in the "advanced grunting and perfecting banging" category. I mean, shit, when you enter "medieval" in Youtube's search engine, "medieval music" is the second suggestion, and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GRLRm9oKUM&hd=1) is the first result of the search. I dare you to dismiss it as "banging and grunting". It's like dismissing everything between the fall of the roman empire and the renaissance as "the Dark Ages".Well, it's not just ancient celtic music. I mean, the Greeks are in there too, as are Egyptians, and all Asian civilizations.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on November 18, 2013, 01:32:26 pm
You're implying that modern alphabets (mainly Latin alphabet) don't leave things up for interpretation.it's not the alphabet's fault that filthy saxons cannot follow simple phonetic rules. it serves romance languages pretty well
Post by: Darvi on November 18, 2013, 01:41:43 pm
Can't tell if joking.You're implying that modern alphabets (mainly Latin alphabet) don't leave things up for interpretation.it's not the alphabet's fault that filthy saxons cannot follow simple phonetic rules. it serves romance languages pretty well
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2013, 02:01:35 pm
Now I'm having flashbacks to verb tenses and irregularities.Can't tell if joking.You're implying that modern alphabets (mainly Latin alphabet) don't leave things up for interpretation.it's not the alphabet's fault that filthy saxons cannot follow simple phonetic rules. it serves romance languages pretty well
Post by: frostshotgg on November 18, 2013, 04:33:48 pm
Uh... No. How about anybody who had World history?It's like dismissing everything between the fall of the roman empire and the renaissance as "the Dark Ages".
So, pretty much everyone except those who specialize in the field don't realize it's wrong? :P
Post by: Darvi on November 18, 2013, 04:43:33 pm
Ftfy.Uh... No. How about anybody who didn't sleep through World history?It's like dismissing everything between the fall of the roman empire and the renaissance as "the Dark Ages".
So, pretty much everyone except those who specialize in the field don't realize it's wrong? :P
Post by: Frumple on November 18, 2013, 05:09:12 pm
E:... also assuming that the world history class they had was high enough level to not be horribly distorted, misrepresented, outright wrong, and/or with huge swaths of importing information flat out omitted.
Post by: frostshotgg on November 18, 2013, 05:33:51 pm
Post by: Frumple on November 18, 2013, 05:41:58 pm
Lucky you (seriously, we need more of that), but most folks aren't going to have had experienced that. As scrdest noted, more or less.
*I still remember one particular test quite well. I had been sick the week before, and I had no idea what the test was on, what chapter we were on... anything. I hadn't read the reading for that test (because I didn't know what it was) -- didn't even know there was a test that day until it started being passed out. I was literally unprepared to the point I would have known as much about the tested content on the day I walked into the class as I did when I took it.
Ended up scoring either a low A or high B, and doing better than a good 3/4ths to 4/5ths of the class.
Post by: Descan on November 18, 2013, 05:47:44 pm
Edit: Re: Teachers, we need to have a world-wide competition to get the best and brightest teachers to donate their time to creating a model of teaching strong-AI once we have those. And then give every student an AI teacher.
We can't do it before then because we need an AI that can be flexible enough to cater to the individual student. Already have enough problems with standardized testing.
Post by: BlackFlyme on November 18, 2013, 06:40:03 pm
Quote from: My mom's boyfriend
You know what you should do? You should make your own website, and get rich like those people on the internet.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 18, 2013, 06:58:57 pm
That's less stupid and more...easier said than done. I mean, a lot of the really popular websites that made their creators wealthy were pretty simple ideas, or even copies of ideas other people have had just done better or got luckier. Unless he was assuming that simply making a website at all would somehow make you wealthy.Quote from: My mom's boyfriendYou know what you should do? You should make your own website, and get rich like those people on the internet.
Kind of like saying 'You should invent something amazing that everyone wants and become a billionaire!'
Post by: TCM on November 18, 2013, 07:11:20 pm
I think I've done a perfectly accurate job in methodically labeling all periods of musical history. As for putting late medieval era together with pre-history, well, why not? Not much got done in the Dark Age. Peasants starved to death, knights beat each other with phallic objects, and royalty killed each other over wanting additional slices of pie or concerning which flavor of ice cream Jesus Christ preferred.This was going to the stupid things you've heard people say, but then I realized it already was.
I mean you can't be serious.
My statement is actually a paraphrasing from a segment by Yahtzee.
And no, this isn't something that I take seriously.
What I am fairly offended about is that TCM puts ancient celtic music (amongst others) in the "advanced grunting and perfecting banging" category. I mean, shit, when you enter "medieval" in Youtube's search engine, "medieval music" is the second suggestion, and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GRLRm9oKUM&hd=1) is the first result of the search. I dare you to dismiss it as "banging and grunting". It's like dismissing everything between the fall of the roman empire and the renaissance as "the Dark Ages".
I'm just making generalization facetiously. I listen to a lot of classical music, and have similarly labeled that era as the age of "Serious white dudes in silly outfits." When I checked the thread out and found people defining eras of musical history, I decided why not make my own list, one rife with stereotypes and misconceptions.
I'm offended that you're obviously blinding dismissing the "Banging and grunting" aspect of music. What's wrong with some good ole' banging and grunting? One of my favorite mainstream rap hits this year has a bang/grunt-based harmony.
Post by: BlackFlyme on November 18, 2013, 07:14:49 pm
That's less stupid and more...easier said than done. I mean, a lot of the really popular websites that made their creators wealthy were pretty simple ideas, or even copies of ideas other people have had just done better or got luckier. Unless he was assuming that simply making a website at all would somehow make you wealthy.Quote from: My mom's boyfriendYou know what you should do? You should make your own website, and get rich like those people on the internet.
Kind of like saying 'You should invent something amazing that everyone wants and become a billionaire!'
He has no idea about how the internet works. He can barely open his e-mail.
Apparently just owning a website can make you millions.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 18, 2013, 07:39:46 pm
That's less stupid and more...easier said than done. I mean, a lot of the really popular websites that made their creators wealthy were pretty simple ideas, or even copies of ideas other people have had just done better or got luckier. Unless he was assuming that simply making a website at all would somehow make you wealthy.Quote from: My mom's boyfriendYou know what you should do? You should make your own website, and get rich like those people on the internet.
Kind of like saying 'You should invent something amazing that everyone wants and become a billionaire!'
He has no idea about how the internet works. He can barely open his e-mail.
Apparently just owning a website can make you millions.
Ah, well, that certainly counts, then.
Post by: Steelmagic on November 18, 2013, 07:44:00 pm
So i can make millions by owning a website that just says "shit" in large letters? WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED?That's less stupid and more...easier said than done. I mean, a lot of the really popular websites that made their creators wealthy were pretty simple ideas, or even copies of ideas other people have had just done better or got luckier. Unless he was assuming that simply making a website at all would somehow make you wealthy.Quote from: My mom's boyfriendYou know what you should do? You should make your own website, and get rich like those people on the internet.
Kind of like saying 'You should invent something amazing that everyone wants and become a billionaire!'
He has no idea about how the internet works. He can barely open his e-mail.
Apparently just owning a website can make you millions.
Post by: i2amroy on November 18, 2013, 08:11:07 pm
Quote from: Girl on the bus with obvious spanish heritage
We aren't mexicans! The fact that we were born and raised in Mexico is pure semantics.Ummm:
1) You obviously have spanish heritage
2) You were born and raised in Mexico
Yep, that about fits the definition of "Mexican" to me. :P
Post by: IronTomato on November 18, 2013, 08:51:28 pm
This so much.Quote from: Girl on the bus with obvious spanish heritageWe aren't mexicans! The fact that we were born and raised in Mexico is pure semantics.Ummm:
1) You obviously have spanish heritage
2) You were born and raised in Mexico
Yep, that about fits the definition of "Mexican" to me. :P
I hate hearing "I was born and raised in whatever, but that doesn't mean I'm from whatever, because peanuts!".
Post by: Frumple on November 18, 2013, 09:19:25 pm
If... they've naturalized wherever they are now, and it's not Mexico, then. Yeah, they're no longer mexican? If someone spent the first, say, five years in one country, and then then next 10-20 in the one they're in now... I'd say they're of the latter, m'self. They're from Mexico, sure, as per Tomato, but I wouldn't particularly consider 'em mexican anymore.Quote from: Girl on the bus with obvious spanish heritageWe aren't mexicans! The fact that we were born and raised in Mexico is pure semantics.Ummm:
1) You obviously have spanish heritage
2) You were born and raised in Mexico
Yep, that about fits the definition of "Mexican" to me. :P
I can see where they're coming from, and I do imagine it's a source of great frustration for a lot of immigrants. Y'spend decades of your life in another country and they still label you as "other", despite you being one of them in basically every way but maybe skin tone and a few years back when you were a kid. Annoying, at the very least.
Post by: Max White on November 18, 2013, 09:21:34 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2013, 09:31:23 pm
Post by: Darvi on November 18, 2013, 09:38:17 pm
I think the correct course of action is to not care about this sort of thing.Waaaay ahead of ya.
Post by: Max White on November 18, 2013, 09:40:44 pm
Its as if you don't even take credit for the accomplishments of other people who were born in vaguely the same geographical region as yourself!
Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2013, 09:41:26 pm
Where is your sense of over the top nationalistic pride?In the same place as my racism and homophobia.
Post by: Darvi on November 18, 2013, 09:43:26 pm
Where is your sense of over the top nationalistic pride?You're right, great people such as... uh... gimme a moment... any second now... nope, drawing a blank here.
Its as if you don't even take credit for the accomplishments of other people who were born in vaguely the same geographical region as yourself!
Post by: Max White on November 18, 2013, 09:45:40 pm
You're right, great people such as... uh... gimme a moment... any second now... nope, drawing a blank here.Where are you even from, Atlantis?
Post by: Descan on November 18, 2013, 09:54:42 pm
But I also feel very Canadian as well.
So I don't know?
Post by: Eric Blank on November 18, 2013, 10:22:53 pm
Post by: Frumple on November 18, 2013, 10:39:35 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on November 18, 2013, 10:53:59 pm
Post by: TCM on November 18, 2013, 11:54:49 pm
Where is your sense of over the top nationalistic pride?In the same place as my racism and homophobia.
...In your liver? Pancreas?
On-topic: MERICA.
Post by: scriver on November 19, 2013, 01:50:29 am
If... they've naturalized wherever they are now, and it's not Mexico, then. Yeah, they're no longer mexican? If someone spent the first, say, five years in one country, and then then next 10-20 in the one they're in now... I'd say they're of the latter, m'self. They're from Mexico, sure, as per Tomato, but I wouldn't particularly consider 'em mexican anymore.Quote from: Girl on the bus with obvious spanish heritageWe aren't mexicans! The fact that we were born and raised in Mexico is pure semantics.Ummm:
1) You obviously have spanish heritage
2) You were born and raised in Mexico
Yep, that about fits the definition of "Mexican" to me. :P
I can see where they're coming from, and I do imagine it's a source of great frustration for a lot of immigrants. Y'spend decades of your life in another country and they still label you as "other", despite you being one of them in basically every way but maybe skin tone and a few years back when you were a kid. Annoying, at the very least.
It strokes me the wrong way just to hear people say "I'm Swedish/Scottish/Italian/Whateverish" despite the only connection between them being that their grand-grandparents was from there and a family meatball recipy. It just seems weird that people would go to such lengths to define themselves by something they have such a thread-of-a-relation to. Like they have some sort of Great Homelessness Complex.
Post by: Gentlefish on November 19, 2013, 01:51:49 am
Post by: Hanslanda on November 19, 2013, 02:18:02 am
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on November 19, 2013, 02:26:37 am
Post by: Gentlefish on November 19, 2013, 02:40:22 am
I've always been more than slightly amused by the thought that anyone who lives on either the American continents is technically an American. But no one except an US American would willing identify themselves as 'American'.
Not on Bay12 anyway. But they do exist.
Post by: Sheb on November 19, 2013, 06:11:57 am
Post by: Dutchling on November 19, 2013, 10:05:02 am
That might just be Dutch though :P. No confusion here.
Post by: i2amroy on November 19, 2013, 10:17:31 am
Bone viking. Is it an adjective or a verb? CAN IT NOT BE BOTH‽All I can think of when looking at this post is this:
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Post by: miauw62 on November 19, 2013, 10:28:45 am
"Hello, I'm a United-states-of-American."Actually I know an Argentine that makes a point of introducing himself as an American everytime he meet someone from the US.Yeah, and my friends and I often like to point out that it's a continent, not a country, when we meet someone from the U.S.A
You're basically saying that people from the UK should introduce themselves as "united-kingdom-of-great-brittain-and-northern-irelandish"
Although that'd be hilarious.
Post by: Sheb on November 19, 2013, 10:48:29 am
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on November 19, 2013, 11:21:50 am
So, uh, why can't we identify as American?This is probably the ignorant USAn shining through, but I don't know how many people want to associate themselves with the US. It's always been my impression that no one likes us.
Post by: Graknorke on November 19, 2013, 12:54:50 pm
Except Britain only contain on country, so British is pretty clear. We'll get to annoy them once (if) Scotland gain independence.Define: Country
Because depending on how you define it the UK has 4. Though really they're more like meta-counties.
Also Great Britain doesn't include NI, which is a part of the UK.
Post by: tahujdt on November 19, 2013, 01:01:10 pm
That's generally been my impression too. Which is funny, because taken on average, America is a lot better than the rest of the world in terms of rights, diversity, aid provided to the rest of the world, independence, and others. On the other hand, being the nation that spawned Miley Cyrus and helped bring about Justin Bieber's rise to infamy probably balanced some of that out.So, uh, why can't we identify as American?This is probably the ignorant USAn shining through, but I don't know how many people want to associate themselves with the US. It's always been my impression that no one likes us.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 19, 2013, 01:28:51 pm
Also, Europe is a bit better on rights, QoL, aid (48% of world aid), better wealth distribution, much lower homicide rates, regulating markets and all that. Only thing from stopping it being a superpower is a joint foreign policy and army. Which are unlikely to happen.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 19, 2013, 05:54:52 pm
The United Kingdom contains four countries: England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. Great Britain describes the first three. It is, in effect, a country composed of several countries. Hence, someone from England can introduce themselves as both English and British, while a Scot could introduce themselves as Scottish and British, etc.Except Britain only contain on country, so British is pretty clear. We'll get to annoy them once (if) Scotland gain independence.Define: Country
Because depending on how you define it the UK has 4. Though really they're more like meta-counties.
Also Great Britain doesn't include NI, which is a part of the UK.
The U.S. doesn't get the same deal because we're a federalist nation; the states are subordinate territorial units with a certain degree of self-governance; someone might introduce themselves as, say, a Kentuckian when speaking to other Americans, but probably not to people from other countries, because there is ultimately no national identity associated with the states. Except for remnants of the Republic of Texas and the Confederacy, but we prefer not to talk about those.
"American" is a useful term because it would be pants-on-head retarded to call ourselves United-States-of-Americans every time we mentioned our nationality. It isn't used to try to diminish the importance of Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, or Central and South America, but because it's the closest we have to a good name for our nationality.
Someone from the Republic of Ireland doesn't call themselves Republic-of-Irish, because that would be stupid, even if it would be more accurate. People from the Republic of Korea (or the DPRK) aren't Republic-of-Koreans (or Democratic-Peoples'-Republic-of-Koreans) because it's a ponderous mouthful that isn't necessary. Same deal here.
Post by: Graknorke on November 19, 2013, 05:59:15 pm
But the 'countries' are not really separate countries. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country, and England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are more like regions or counties. Calling them separate countries is just a symptom of outdated nationalism.The United Kingdom contains four countries: England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. Great Britain describes the first three. It is, in effect, a country composed of several countries. Hence, someone from England can introduce themselves as both English and British, while a Scot could introduce themselves as Scottish and British, etc.Except Britain only contain on country, so British is pretty clear. We'll get to annoy them once (if) Scotland gain independence.Define: Country
Because depending on how you define it the UK has 4. Though really they're more like meta-counties.
Also Great Britain doesn't include NI, which is a part of the UK.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 19, 2013, 06:08:36 pm
I spoke somewhat colloquially, but if you want to start nitpicking, I'll feel free to do the same. Functionally speaking, they are not states in the sense that they are not sovereign and do not have a monopoly of force within their own borders. However, they are, by definition, nations, in that a nation is a group of people who share the same culture. There is a nation of England, a nation of Wales, a nation of Scotland, a nation of Great Britain, a nation of Northern Ireland, and a nation of the United Kingdom.But the 'countries' are not really separate countries. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country, and England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are more like regions or counties. Calling them separate countries is just a symptom of outdated nationalism.The United Kingdom contains four countries: England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. Great Britain describes the first three. It is, in effect, a country composed of several countries. Hence, someone from England can introduce themselves as both English and British, while a Scot could introduce themselves as Scottish and British, etc.Except Britain only contain on country, so British is pretty clear. We'll get to annoy them once (if) Scotland gain independence.Define: Country
Because depending on how you define it the UK has 4. Though really they're more like meta-counties.
Also Great Britain doesn't include NI, which is a part of the UK.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on November 19, 2013, 06:10:56 pm
RIP Graknorke, eaten by Owlbread and his kinsmen, 2013.But the 'countries' are not really separate countries. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country, and England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are more like regions or counties. Calling them separate countries is just a symptom of outdated nationalism.The United Kingdom contains four countries: England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. Great Britain describes the first three. It is, in effect, a country composed of several countries. Hence, someone from England can introduce themselves as both English and British, while a Scot could introduce themselves as Scottish and British, etc.Except Britain only contain on country, so British is pretty clear. We'll get to annoy them once (if) Scotland gain independence.Define: Country
Because depending on how you define it the UK has 4. Though really they're more like meta-counties.
Also Great Britain doesn't include NI, which is a part of the UK.
The only alternative demonym for Americans I've heard that isn't completely and utterly stupid is "Unions", but that's kind of unwieldy.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 19, 2013, 06:11:50 pm
RIP Graknorke, eaten by Owlbread and his kinsmen, 2013.But the 'countries' are not really separate countries. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country, and England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are more like regions or counties. Calling them separate countries is just a symptom of outdated nationalism.The United Kingdom contains four countries: England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. Great Britain describes the first three. It is, in effect, a country composed of several countries. Hence, someone from England can introduce themselves as both English and British, while a Scot could introduce themselves as Scottish and British, etc.Except Britain only contain on country, so British is pretty clear. We'll get to annoy them once (if) Scotland gain independence.Define: Country
Because depending on how you define it the UK has 4. Though really they're more like meta-counties.
Also Great Britain doesn't include NI, which is a part of the UK.
The only alternative demonym for Americans I've heard that isn't completely and utterly stupid is "Unions", but that's kind of unwieldy.
I'd accept "Yankees", but a lot of my peers would call that a hangin' offense.
Post by: scrdest on November 19, 2013, 06:17:59 pm
RIP Graknorke, eaten by Owlbread and his kinsmen, 2013.But the 'countries' are not really separate countries. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country, and England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are more like :-[ or counties. Calling them separate countries is just a symptom of outdated nationalism.The United Kingdom contains four countries: England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. Great Britain describes the first three. It is, in effect, a country composed of several countries. Hence, someone from England can introduce themselves as both English and British, while a Scot could introduce themselves as Scottish and British, etc.Except Britain only contain on country, so British is pretty clear. We'll get to annoy them once (if) Scotland gain independence.Define: Country
Because depending on how you define it the UK has 4. Though really they're more like meta-counties.
Also Great Britain doesn't include NI, which is a part of the UK.
The only alternative demonym for Americans I've heard that isn't completely and utterly stupid is "Unions", but that's kind of unwieldy.
I'd accept "Yankees", but a lot of my peers would call that a hangin' offense.
'Usonian' was a proposed term once, but it sounds like crap.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on November 19, 2013, 06:18:46 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 19, 2013, 06:20:54 pm
I'll accept the Euros calling us Yankees so long as they're fine with being called Euros, but amongst peers only New Englanders should be called Yankees.But we actually have countries that aren't just named after a continent.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on November 19, 2013, 06:22:51 pm
A continent named after a person. At least we aren't so arrogant as to have a continent (that isn't a continent (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QV7CanyzhZg#t=5)) named "The Good Land".I'll accept the Euros calling us Yankees so long as they're fine with being called Euros, but amongst peers only New Englanders should be called Yankees.But we actually have countries that aren't just named after a continent.
Post by: Xantalos on November 20, 2013, 12:54:38 am
Quote from: parent of a kid at a school
Teachers don't benefit us
Wut
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on November 20, 2013, 12:58:53 am
Post by: Gentlefish on November 20, 2013, 01:00:29 am
Post by: Xantalos on November 20, 2013, 01:00:34 am
Clearly they don't, since they used the apostrophe incorrectly.Excuse me while I murder the person who invented Autocorrect.
Post by: Oliolli on November 20, 2013, 01:17:38 am
Post by: Eotyrannus on November 20, 2013, 03:14:56 am
Waste of your time. He practically lives in a panic room.He can go around the walls in one of his other 14 dimensions. Xantalos is an eldritch abomination, y'know.
Post by: Xantalos on November 20, 2013, 03:21:41 am
Post by: Descan on November 20, 2013, 04:01:12 am
Post by: tahujdt on November 20, 2013, 04:41:20 am
Honestly, a lot of (United-States-of) Americans identify by their individual state. For that matter, identifying by state allows for easier stereotyping that doesn't confuse Texans with Kansans. I dunno if this is relevant, by brain no worky.
Post by: Darvi on November 20, 2013, 04:48:48 am
Post by: Frumple on November 20, 2013, 06:32:33 am
Panic RoomYeah, looks like it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_Room_(band))sounds like a good name for aprobably already is the name of a rock band.
Post by: GiglameshDespair on November 20, 2013, 08:12:17 am
I am the panic room.
So the guy who made autocorrect is inside you pretty much all of the time?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 20, 2013, 08:23:37 am
A continent named after a person. At least we aren't so arrogant as to have a continent (that isn't a continent (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QV7CanyzhZg#t=5)) named "The Good Land".I'll accept the Euros calling us Yankees so long as they're fine with being called Euros, but amongst peers only New Englanders should be called Yankees.But we actually have countries that aren't just named after a continent.
Quote
Latinized form of Greek Ευρωπη (Europe), which meant "wide face" from ευρυς (eurys) "wide" and ωψ (ops) "face, eye". In Greek mythology Europa was a Phoenician princess who was abducted and taken to Crete by Zeus in the guise of a bull. The continent of Europe is named for her. This is also the name of a moon of Jupiter.
Confused now. Didn't watch the video, so that might be it.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on November 20, 2013, 09:03:00 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 20, 2013, 09:05:58 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 20, 2013, 10:02:26 am
On the subject of alternate naming:As I said before... it doesn't really work that well externally. There are cultural differences between the states to a certain degree, but they're largely superficial and subordinate to regional culture, which in turn is subordinate to national culture. Take, for example, my home state, Kentucky.
Honestly, a lot of (United-States-of) Americans identify by their individual state. For that matter, identifying by state allows for easier stereotyping that doesn't confuse Texans with Kansans. I dunno if this is relevant, by brain no worky.
In varying degrees, we're known for breeding and racing thoroughbreds, for brewing bourbon (and making delicious candy with it), for being the home of an asshole who happened to steal a chicken recipe, for being on top of a bloody huge cave system, for having the best college basketball team in the country (and it sure ain't you, U of L), for our eastern part being too much like West Virginia for comfort, for being one of the two states to not really pick a side in the Civil War, for having a majority of registered Democrats but still voting in a pair of right bastards to our Senate seats, and for being the birthplace of both one of our three best presidents and a pretty cool explorer.
On the flip side, we speak the same language as the rest of the people of the U.S. with accents broadly similar to many of them, practice the same religions in the same proportions (or not) as the rest of the U.S., eat the same foods (barring a few things special to the state like our hot brown), enjoy the same entertainment, have the same political disagreements, believe in the same institutions, value the same rights and responsibilities, etc.
You could take five people, one each from Alaska, Hawaii, Maine, Florida, and Texas, put them all in a room together, and by-and-large they'd all understand and empathize with each other, share similar worldviews (regardless of their positions on them), and probably agree on two or three big things (like, "It sure is great living in America" :P). Probably the points in U.S. history where you could make a valid argument for there being two distinct nations within the state would have been during the Civil War, during the height of the civil rights movement, and during the Vietnam War. Those were all times where the cultural differences went beyond the surface level and became serious rifts within society, where people disagreed (and would hate each other) over basic ideological incompatibilities.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 20, 2013, 11:21:07 am
-snip!-
Indeed. I've often met tourists from other parts of the nation (USA: We're so big that we go on vacation to ourselves) and I could instantly and readily discuss things with them and we'd have a pretty similar viewpoint. And the 'sure is great living in America' thing is a fantastic way to start a conversation with a tourist, because then you can both talk about why your particular slice of America is awesome. In F_D's case, this would be Jim Beam candy and stuff. In my case, it would be trailer parks and meth. I mean, incredibly low cost of living.
Post by: tahujdt on November 20, 2013, 11:36:46 am
Home of the guy who invented basketball. I win.-snip!-
Indeed. I've often met tourists from other parts of the nation (USA: We're so big that we go on vacation to ourselves) and I could instantly and readily discuss things with them and we'd have a pretty similar viewpoint. And the 'sure is great living in America' thing is a fantastic way to start a conversation with a tourist, because then you can both talk about why your particular slice of America is awesome. In F_D's case, this would be Jim Beam candy and stuff. In my case, it would be trailer parks and meth. I mean, incredibly low cost of living.
Seriously, I live near the Legends in Kansas, and there are statues and plaques all over the front entrance area about awesome Kansas is.
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on November 20, 2013, 11:45:01 am
Post by: Hanslanda on November 20, 2013, 11:49:50 am
Home of the guy who invented basketball. I win.-snip!-
Indeed. I've often met tourists from other parts of the nation (USA: We're so big that we go on vacation to ourselves) and I could instantly and readily discuss things with them and we'd have a pretty similar viewpoint. And the 'sure is great living in America' thing is a fantastic way to start a conversation with a tourist, because then you can both talk about why your particular slice of America is awesome. In F_D's case, this would be Jim Beam candy and stuff. In my case, it would be trailer parks and meth. I mean, incredibly low cost of living.
Seriously, I live near the Legends in Kansas, and there are statues and plaques all over the front entrance area about awesome Kansas is.
>Home of the guy that invented basketball.
That's nice. You forget that Kansas is literally just a plain for 90% of it's coverage, and the last 10% is foothills to the Rockies. Kansas is so flat that it's almost surreal. :P
Southern California = best weather in entire country. Fact.
... This is a fact I can agree with.
Post by: Frumple on November 20, 2013, 11:52:00 am
Southern California = best weather in entire country. Fact.Pretty sure it's the wet part of Washington, actually. Cold and rains a lot, what more can a person ask for? Socal's too close to Florida in terms of weather, and Florida is hell. 3+/4ths of the year, anyway. Winter's alright.
Post by: acetech09 on November 20, 2013, 11:58:05 am
Southern California = best weather in entire country. Fact.Pretty sure it's the wet part of Washington, actually. Cold and rains a lot, what more can a person ask for? Socal's too close to Florida in terms of weather, and Florida is hell. 3+/4ths of the year, anyway. Winter's alright.
That's why the SF Bay Area has the best weather in the entire country. Because you can drive about 3 miles and get whatever you want. Fog, sun, clear, rain, wind...
Microclimates, yo.
Post by: Frumple on November 20, 2013, 12:07:36 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2013, 12:52:12 pm
Southern California = best weather in entire country. Fact.Pretty sure it's the wet part of Washington, actually. Cold and rains a lot, what more can a person ask for? Socal's too close to Florida in terms of weather, and Florida is hell. 3+/4ths of the year, anyway. Winter's alright.
Nah, SoCal is much, much drier than Florida. The lack of humidity makes all the difference in the world.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 20, 2013, 02:09:47 pm
Southern California = best weather in entire country. Fact.
... This is a fact I can agree with.
Don't you need to have something before you can claim to have the best version of it? :P
Post by: Hanslanda on November 20, 2013, 02:44:32 pm
Southern California = best weather in entire country. Fact.
... This is a fact I can agree with.
Don't you need to have something before you can claim to have the best version of it? :P
I actually like rain and overcast days (not cold rain or cold overcast days, just 60f or so is about perfect) so I actually should be agreeing with Frumple, but warm coastal non-weather is cool too.
Post by: Neonivek on November 20, 2013, 02:47:52 pm
"Best weather" is rather subjective unless you have something to apply it to.
If it is the best farming weather that can be objectively applied to crops.
If it is best "I enjoy this weather" then you can either apply it to a standardized "for the average person" approach or you can apply it personally in which case it falls to opinion.
Besides, I consider lack of weather based natural disasters in my "best weather" account.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 20, 2013, 02:52:02 pm
Post by: SealyStar on November 20, 2013, 03:33:36 pm
In F_D's case, this would be Jim Beam candy and stuff. In my case, it would be trailer parks and meth. I mean, incredibly low cost of living.New sig quote, thank you.
Also, in my case it would be some of the highest deer-car collision rates in the country, a dysfunctional super-conservative state government, and being less than 200 miles from the worst place to live in the Anglophone world.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 20, 2013, 03:37:10 pm
Post by: Sheb on November 20, 2013, 03:39:56 pm
and being less than 200 miles from the worst place to live in the Anglophone world.
And where would that be?
Post by: SealyStar on November 20, 2013, 03:42:19 pm
Detroit.and being less than 200 miles from the worst place to live in the Anglophone world.
And where would that be?
I guess "worst" is incorrect. Just "most crime-ridden".
Post by: RedKing on November 20, 2013, 03:45:39 pm
Home of the guys who perfected basketball. :PHome of the guy who invented basketball. I win.-snip!-
Indeed. I've often met tourists from other parts of the nation (USA: We're so big that we go on vacation to ourselves) and I could instantly and readily discuss things with them and we'd have a pretty similar viewpoint. And the 'sure is great living in America' thing is a fantastic way to start a conversation with a tourist, because then you can both talk about why your particular slice of America is awesome. In F_D's case, this would be Jim Beam candy and stuff. In my case, it would be trailer parks and meth. I mean, incredibly low cost of living.
Seriously, I live near the Legends in Kansas, and there are statues and plaques all over the front entrance area about awesome Kansas is.
UNC and Duke both have higher winning percentages and more wins in the history of the NCAA Tournament than either Kentucky or Kansas. And they have to play each other twice a year, whereas Kentucky has the SEC to beat up on and Kansas has the Big 12. Plus, basketball is like an unofficial state religion. The ACC Tournament is our Mardi Gras.
Post by: tahujdt on November 20, 2013, 03:47:28 pm
Oh, only unofficial.Home of the guys who perfected basketball. :PHome of the guy who invented basketball. I win.-snip!-
Indeed. I've often met tourists from other parts of the nation (USA: We're so big that we go on vacation to ourselves) and I could instantly and readily discuss things with them and we'd have a pretty similar viewpoint. And the 'sure is great living in America' thing is a fantastic way to start a conversation with a tourist, because then you can both talk about why your particular slice of America is awesome. In F_D's case, this would be Jim Beam candy and stuff. In my case, it would be trailer parks and meth. I mean, incredibly low cost of living.
Seriously, I live near the Legends in Kansas, and there are statues and plaques all over the front entrance area about awesome Kansas is.
UNC and Duke both have higher winning percentages and more wins in the history of the NCAA Tournament than either Kentucky or Kansas. And they have to play each other twice a year, whereas Kentucky has the SEC to beat up on and Kansas has the Big 12. Plus, basketball is like an unofficial state religion. The ACC Tournament is our Mardi Gras.
Post by: Descan on November 20, 2013, 07:07:31 pm
WE WERE PERFECT BEFORE YOU CAME ALONG. WHY.
Post by: Xantalos on November 20, 2013, 07:09:06 pm
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on November 20, 2013, 07:13:01 pm
Meanwhile, up in Canada, I'm laughing at all you guys and then crying because of Rob Ford and Stephen Harper fucking everything up.The spirit of Bob Filner has possessed them after being exorcised by his non-existent therapy.
WE WERE PERFECT BEFORE YOU CAME ALONG. WHY.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 20, 2013, 07:20:15 pm
The truth begs to differ. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_teams_with_the_most_victories_in_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_college_basketball) We have the second most NCAA championships, too, and would have the most if it weren't for John Wooden.Home of the guys who perfected basketball. :PHome of the guy who invented basketball. I win.-snip!-
Indeed. I've often met tourists from other parts of the nation (USA: We're so big that we go on vacation to ourselves) and I could instantly and readily discuss things with them and we'd have a pretty similar viewpoint. And the 'sure is great living in America' thing is a fantastic way to start a conversation with a tourist, because then you can both talk about why your particular slice of America is awesome. In F_D's case, this would be Jim Beam candy and stuff. In my case, it would be trailer parks and meth. I mean, incredibly low cost of living.
Seriously, I live near the Legends in Kansas, and there are statues and plaques all over the front entrance area about awesome Kansas is.
UNC and Duke both have higher winning percentages and more wins in the history of the NCAA Tournament than either Kentucky or Kansas. And they have to play each other twice a year, whereas Kentucky has the SEC to beat up on and Kansas has the Big 12. Plus, basketball is like an unofficial state religion. The ACC Tournament is our Mardi Gras.
Post by: IronTomato on November 20, 2013, 07:58:40 pm
I just got sigged twice in one day.Why is that stupid?
...Nevermind :P
Post by: Flying Dice on November 20, 2013, 08:05:11 pm
Hans:
1. Bourbon balls are a triumph of the chocolateer's trade. They're so amazing I possibly coined a word to describe people who make them.
2. We have more than our share of meth and trailer parks here, too, ya know. :P
Post by: Mr Space Cat on November 20, 2013, 08:43:44 pm
We got some cool bands. Explosions in the Sky, This Will Destroy You, Pantera,
Post by: Putnam on November 20, 2013, 09:17:04 pm
I pretty much live in Idaho, actually, but it's nominally (and legally) Washington.
Post by: Descan on November 20, 2013, 10:10:16 pm
Can't we just exile them like we did Scott?that's my name what
when... when was I exiled?
Post by: BlackFlyme on November 20, 2013, 10:30:21 pm
Can't we just exile them like we did Scott?that's my name what
when... when was I exiled?
Oh, that was a while back. There was a vote, but you missed it.
Shouldn't have been such a dick. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7HegNSoWs4)
Post by: MaximumZero on November 20, 2013, 10:35:25 pm
Johannesburg, South Africa is actually much more dangerous than Detroit, and one of the official languages of South Africa is English. Besides, Detroit is only really bad if you go hang out in the hood. There are a lot of lovely abandoned buildings and two very nice stadiums downtown. Also, the rest of Michigan is pretty nice, provided you stay out of Battle Creek, which is mini-Detroit.Detroit.and being less than 200 miles from the worst place to live in the Anglophone world.
And where would that be?
I guess "worst" is incorrect. Just "most crime-ridden".
Post by: Graknorke on November 21, 2013, 06:01:40 pm
Quote
Stop right there. Universal health care is a sucky thing. What's more, you know it because you never bothered to even point at an argument for chaining people to it. If it was so wonderful then somebody, somewhere, in some country, would have made the fucker voluntary. If it's so fantastic then nearly nobody would opt out. So shove your universal health care up your ass.I have no fucking idea what this is all about. So... if nationalised healthcare is a good thing people should be allowed to opt out of it? Why would anyone want to opt out of getting medical treatment?
Can someone please explain this person's political opinions I don't get it.
Post by: GiglameshDespair on November 21, 2013, 06:06:35 pm
QuoteStop right there. Universal health care is a sucky thing. What's more, you know it because you never bothered to even point at an argument for chaining people to it. If it was so wonderful then somebody, somewhere, in some country, would have made the fucker voluntary. If it's so fantastic then nearly nobody would opt out. So shove your universal health care up your ass.I have no fucking idea what this is all about. So... if nationalised healthcare is a good thing people should be allowed to opt out of it? Why would anyone want to opt out of getting medical treatment?
Can someone please explain this person's political opinions I don't get it.
I don't understand that either.. here in Britain you can get it done on the NHS if it's effecting your quality of life or killing you, but if it's just cosmetic you have to get it down privately. Though you always have the choice to have it done privately as well, which is generally a lot faster and some would say better. So you can kind of opt out. If it's about paying tax that supports national health, that's silly, because that's not how tax works. If you never used roads you can't not pay some tax because that would go towards road upkeep and you never use them. Same sort of thin applies.
(Though there isn't an actual 'Road Tax' as soon many believe there is.)
Post by: Graknorke on November 21, 2013, 06:13:06 pm
(Though there isn't an actual 'Road Tax' as soon many believe there is.)So what do tax disks show you've paid? My life has been a lie.
Post by: i2amroy on November 21, 2013, 06:18:42 pm
Roads are maintained either through a small tax on gas and large vehicle (55,000+ lbs) registration (for the national level) or through vehicle registration fees at the state level mostly (though this varies a little bit from state to state).(Though there isn't an actual 'Road Tax' as soon many believe there is.)So what do tax disks show you've paid? My life has been a lie.
Post by: scrdest on November 21, 2013, 06:59:56 pm
QuoteStop right there. Universal health care is a sucky thing. What's more, you know it because you never bothered to even point at an argument for chaining people to it. If it was so wonderful then somebody, somewhere, in some country, would have made the fucker voluntary. If it's so fantastic then nearly nobody would opt out. So shove your universal health care up your ass.I have no fucking idea what this is all about. So... if nationalised healthcare is a good thing people should be allowed to opt out of it? Why would anyone want to opt out of getting medical treatment?
Can someone please explain this person's political opinions I don't get it.
I think (well, guess) the idea is that since universal healthcare is good, it doesn't need to be obligatory, because people won't WANT to opt-out, and so it being obligatory... proves that it isn't good, I suppose.
And people don't want to opt out of getting treatment, but out of a particular way it is organized.
Post by: Redzephyr01 on November 21, 2013, 10:37:30 pm
PETA, when will you understand that Pokemon aren't real? Why can't you just devote this much effort to helping actual animals instead of making violent flash-games and attempting to somehow connect Nintendo with McDonalds? Not to mention that Pokemon isn't even made by Nintendo, it's made by Game Freak, and Nintendo just licences it.
Post by: Putnam on November 21, 2013, 10:54:33 pm
Not to mention that Pokemon isn't even made by Nintendo, it's made by Game Freak, and Nintendo just licences it.
That's like saying that Smash Brothers isn't made by Nintendo...
(I.E technically true but pretty much entirely irrelevant)
Post by: kaijyuu on November 22, 2013, 01:54:37 am
Post by: Iceblaster on November 22, 2013, 04:11:28 am
I usually find PETA's ironic games hilarious.
My thoughts exactly.
I mean, Black and Blue was more funny in a 'We didn't play the game' sort of thing as
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: RedKing on November 22, 2013, 11:31:38 am
http://kotaku.com/im-not-sure-but-i-think-peta-is-upset-with-pokemon-1443910146Wait, what?
PETA, when will you understand that Pokemon aren't real? Why can't you just devote this much effort to helping actual animals instead of making violent flash-games and attempting to somehow connect Nintendo with McDonalds? Not to mention that Pokemon isn't even made by Nintendo, it's made by Game Freak, and Nintendo just licences it.
Is McDonald's selling Pokeburgers now or something? Or Pika McNuggets? HOW DO YOU UNETHICALLY TREAT IMAGINARY QUASI-ANIMALS??
Next, they'll be suing Peter Jackson for the CGI oliphants and wargs harmed in the making of the Lord of the Rings movies.
Or coming after Bay12 because of the millions of slaughtered kittens.
I know it's impossible, but I'm beginning to think PETA is just a 4chan parody of what a vegan animal-rights group would be like.
Post by: scrdest on November 22, 2013, 11:45:54 am
http://kotaku.com/im-not-sure-but-i-think-peta-is-upset-with-pokemon-1443910146Wait, what?
PETA, when will you understand that Pokemon aren't real? Why can't you just devote this much effort to helping actual animals instead of making violent flash-games and attempting to somehow connect Nintendo with McDonalds? Not to mention that Pokemon isn't even made by Nintendo, it's made by Game Freak, and Nintendo just licences it.
Is McDonald's selling Pokeburgers now or something? Or Pika McNuggets? HOW DO YOU UNETHICALLY TREAT IMAGINARY QUASI-ANIMALS??
Next, they'll be suing Peter Jackson for the CGI oliphants and wargs harmed in the making of the Lord of the Rings movies.
Or coming after Bay12 because of the millions of slaughtered kittens.
I know it's impossible, but I'm beginning to think PETA is just a 4chan parody of what a vegan animal-rights group would be like.
McDonalds apparently has Happy Meal Pokemon toys now. And since McDonalds is evil, and McDonalds sales Pokemon toys, therefore McDonalds sells evil. Wait, no, Evil sells Pokemon toys. Or whatever.
Also, PETA totally-not-supports a totally-not-terrorist organization, so yeah, they smash into Poe's Law so hard they leave a permanent dent there.
Oh, and most of the animals they 'rescue' end up killed.
Post by: Xantalos on November 22, 2013, 11:48:05 am
*gets out radio*http://kotaku.com/im-not-sure-but-i-think-peta-is-upset-with-pokemon-1443910146Wait, what?
PETA, when will you understand that Pokemon aren't real? Why can't you just devote this much effort to helping actual animals instead of making violent flash-games and attempting to somehow connect Nintendo with McDonalds? Not to mention that Pokemon isn't even made by Nintendo, it's made by Game Freak, and Nintendo just licences it.
Is McDonald's selling Pokeburgers now or something? Or Pika McNuggets? HOW DO YOU UNETHICALLY TREAT IMAGINARY QUASI-ANIMALS??
Next, they'll be suing Peter Jackson for the CGI oliphants and wargs harmed in the making of the Lord of the Rings movies.
Or coming after Bay12 because of the millions of slaughtered kittens.
I know it's impossible, but I'm beginning to think PETA is just a 4chan parody of what a vegan animal-rights group would be like.
He knows.
Post by: Sheb on November 22, 2013, 12:01:39 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on November 22, 2013, 12:04:58 pm
Post by: Vattic on November 22, 2013, 12:42:39 pm
Post by: Arx on November 22, 2013, 12:46:56 pm
Johannesburg, South Africa is actually much more dangerous than Detroit, and one of the official languages of South Africa is English. Besides, Detroit is only really bad if you go hang out in the hood. There are a lot of lovely abandoned buildings and two very nice stadiums downtown. Also, the rest of Michigan is pretty nice, provided you stay out of Battle Creek, which is mini-Detroit.Chiming in here to say, as a South African and ex-Joburgite, that it's also true that Johannesburg is also only dangerous in certain parts; my brief (possibly inaccurate) check of Wikipedia suggests that Detroit has a higher crime rate than Joburg. Way more dangerous is Mitchells Plain, Cape Town, where we've had ~16000 attempted murders this year (All violent crimes in Detroit annually: ~15500), and there is occasionally talk of calling in the army to curb gang warfare.
Post by: RedKing on November 22, 2013, 12:50:32 pm
IIRC, they equate animal domestication to slavery. Or at least indentured servitude.IIRC, they believe that animals wouldn't enjoy being pets because it's demeaning or something. Which is funny, because most pets stay around voluntarily, and have plenty of opportunities to leg it.http://kotaku.com/im-not-sure-but-i-think-peta-is-upset-with-pokemon-1443910146Wait, what?
PETA, when will you understand that Pokemon aren't real? Why can't you just devote this much effort to helping actual animals instead of making violent flash-games and attempting to somehow connect Nintendo with McDonalds? Not to mention that Pokemon isn't even made by Nintendo, it's made by Game Freak, and Nintendo just licences it.
Is McDonald's selling Pokeburgers now or something? Or Pika McNuggets? HOW DO YOU UNETHICALLY TREAT IMAGINARY QUASI-ANIMALS??
Next, they'll be suing Peter Jackson for the CGI oliphants and wargs harmed in the making of the Lord of the Rings movies.
Or coming after Bay12 because of the millions of slaughtered kittens.
I know it's impossible, but I'm beginning to think PETA is just a 4chan parody of what a vegan animal-rights group would be like.
McDonalds apparently has Happy Meal Pokemon toys now. And since McDonalds is evil, and McDonalds sales Pokemon toys, therefore McDonalds sells evil. Wait, no, Evil sells Pokemon toys. Or whatever.
Also, PETA totally-not-supports a totally-not-terrorist organization, so yeah, they smash into Poe's Law so hard they leave a permanent dent there.
Oh, and most of the animals they 'rescue' end up killed.
Because those cats have it so fucking hard, what with all the sleeping they have to do, and the cat condo and free food. Seriously, if there's any pet whose life is the opposite of indentured servitude, it's a cat.
I can see where their problem with Pokemon comes from. If you agree that dog fighting and similar is wrong then pokemon fighting is not much different. If you assume media normalises behaviours then Pokemon is normalising animal abuse.So they think Pokemon is a gateway to dogfighting/cockfighting/etc?
That's a rather extreme slippery slope argument, but one I could at least debate. But then WTF is with the McNugget weirdness and having a blood-drenched evil clown boss fight?
PETA is sort of adorable in the way that newly-minted anarchist teenagers can be. They have a bunch of valid concerns that they see as wrong in the world, but rather than find a coherent way to articulate them they just sort of mash it all together and provide a bizarre nihilist response that doesn't really relate to anything.
Teen who just discovered Black Flag and Dead Kennedys: "Capitalism and corporatism and war and racism and old white guys SUCK, so fuck the system! Let's get drunk and fuck and break shit!"
PETA: "Eating meat and wearing fur and abusing animals SUCK, so fuck the system! Let's show nude chicks wearing vegetables and throw blood on people!"
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 22, 2013, 12:54:13 pm
motherfucking saltybet
i'm just going to find a peta contact email and shoot them a link it'll be hilarious
Post by: GiglameshDespair on November 22, 2013, 12:55:25 pm
that means its animal abuse
saltybet is satan for animals
Post by: RedKing on November 22, 2013, 12:57:32 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 22, 2013, 12:58:24 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 22, 2013, 12:58:30 pm
And what if you have furries who own pets?
feudalism
Post by: RedKing on November 22, 2013, 01:01:23 pm
furdalismAnd what if you have furries who own pets?
feudalism
Post by: Zangi on November 22, 2013, 01:07:05 pm
It is also funded by road/bridge tolls, at least around the New York/New Jersey area. They've raised rates a few times over the past few years on some of em. :'(Roads are maintained either through a small tax on gas and large vehicle (55,000+ lbs) registration (for the national level) or through vehicle registration fees at the state level mostly (though this varies a little bit from state to state).(Though there isn't an actual 'Road Tax' as soon many believe there is.)So what do tax disks show you've paid? My life has been a lie.
Post by: Frumple on November 22, 2013, 01:10:20 pm
I'm pretty sure not all the fighters are human iin saltybetThere's definitely outright animal fighters in saltybet. Bison and bear are pretty solid, and killer whale is supposed to be one of the deadlier things in the game (haven't had the fortune to see a killer whale match, yet). Then there's critters like Ecco (Eco?) that's basically a massive undersea gangbang that almost never loses, or the Kraken which is almost as much of a boot to the head as the original Shining Force one.
that means its animal abuse
saltybet is satan for animals
Basically, animals are definitely represented in Saltybet, and they trend toward brutal.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 22, 2013, 01:11:17 pm
furdalismAnd what if you have furries who own pets?
feudalism
/me claps slowly
i will be using this as a term now
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 22, 2013, 01:21:04 pm
I misread that as Trolls, which seemed like a nice and historical way to gather taxes.It is also funded by road/bridge tolls, at least around the New York/New Jersey area. They've raised rates a few times over the past few years on some of em. :'(Roads are maintained either through a small tax on gas and large vehicle (55,000+ lbs) registration (for the national level) or through vehicle registration fees at the state level mostly (though this varies a little bit from state to state).(Though there isn't an actual 'Road Tax' as soon many believe there is.)So what do tax disks show you've paid? My life has been a lie.
Post by: IronTomato on November 22, 2013, 01:21:07 pm
The same girl in my class keeps saying this so many times, whenever the teacher finishes saying anything. We learned how nuclear changes, this was said quite a lot.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 22, 2013, 01:26:24 pm
"Wait, wut r we spost to b doin?"
The same girl in my class keeps saying this so many times, whenever the teacher finishes saying anything. We learned how nuclear changes, this was said quite a lot.
oi, i remember saying that one starting from elementary all the way to and including high school - i waltzed off to whatever land my daydreaming took me off to most times, don't say that it hasn't happened to you. the sheer volume of it can be ridiculous though, once you notice you aren't paying attention you're supposed to put some effort into not stopping to care about the stuff you're working on again and that girl might have problems with understanding this here part
or just you know ceasing to care about it and doing your own thing instead of annoying the people who are indeed caring
Post by: RedKing on November 22, 2013, 01:27:07 pm
I so want to use this in a fantasy setting now -- trolls employed by the local king to gather customs duties from travellers. Adventurers could be hired by a merchant company to kill the trolls at a certain bridge before they send a particularly high-value caravan through, only to find out later that their "good deed" constituted murder of the King's officials and now they're wanted criminals. :DI misread that as Trolls, which seemed like a nice and historical way to gather taxes.It is also funded by road/bridge tolls, at least around the New York/New Jersey area. They've raised rates a few times over the past few years on some of em. :'(Roads are maintained either through a small tax on gas and large vehicle (55,000+ lbs) registration (for the national level) or through vehicle registration fees at the state level mostly (though this varies a little bit from state to state).(Though there isn't an actual 'Road Tax' as soon many believe there is.)So what do tax disks show you've paid? My life has been a lie.
Post by: SealyStar on November 22, 2013, 01:28:32 pm
Furarchy of life.furdalismAnd what if you have furries who own pets?
feudalism
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 22, 2013, 01:31:14 pm
Would furries count as animals or people? And what if you have furries who own pets?Depends on the pet, usually considered to be akin to owning a pet monkey if it's the same species belt.
Post by: scrdest on November 22, 2013, 01:32:29 pm
I so want to use this in a fantasy setting now -- trolls employed by the local king to gather customs duties from travellers. Adventurers could be hired by a merchant company to kill the trolls at a certain bridge before they send a particularly high-value caravan through, only to find out later that their "good deed" constituted murder of the King's officials and now they're wanted criminals. :DI misread that as Trolls, which seemed like a nice and historical way to gather taxes.It is also funded by road/bridge tolls, at least around the New York/New Jersey area. They've raised rates a few times over the past few years on some of em. :'(Roads are maintained either through a small tax on gas and large vehicle (55,000+ lbs) registration (for the national level) or through vehicle registration fees at the state level mostly (though this varies a little bit from state to state).(Though there isn't an actual 'Road Tax' as soon many believe there is.)So what do tax disks show you've paid? My life has been a lie.
Discworld, specifically Carpe Jugulum and Lords and Ladies, features a, uh, t(r)oll bridge, although in this case it's more border guard than anything.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 22, 2013, 02:37:12 pm
I so want to use this in a fantasy setting now -- trolls employed by the local king to gather customs duties from travellers. Adventurers could be hired by a merchant company to kill the trolls at a certain bridge before they send a particularly high-value caravan through, only to find out later that their "good deed" constituted murder of the King's officials and now they're wanted criminals. :DI misread that as Trolls, which seemed like a nice and historical way to gather taxes.It is also funded by road/bridge tolls, at least around the New York/New Jersey area. They've raised rates a few times over the past few years on some of em. :'(Roads are maintained either through a small tax on gas and large vehicle (55,000+ lbs) registration (for the national level) or through vehicle registration fees at the state level mostly (though this varies a little bit from state to state).(Though there isn't an actual 'Road Tax' as soon many believe there is.)So what do tax disks show you've paid? My life has been a lie.
This is actually sort of brilliant, because trolls are:
1. Somewhat unimaginative and single-minded, at least in DnD, because they're low Intelligence and low Wisdom. They just want da bux for da baws, brah.
2. They're tough, nigh immune to death from non-fire/acid sources, and if you cut them apart, you just have more trolls to deal with.
3. They'd probably be a cheap hire. "I will give you one animal of your choice for every month you watch my bridge."
4. They're intimidating. No one wants to tell the ten foot tall, insta-regenerating, man-eating monster 'no'.
Post by: Putnam on November 22, 2013, 03:07:48 pm
I'm pretty sure not all the fighters are human iin saltybet
that means its animal abuse
saltybet is satan for animals
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FrankerZ
anyway, I'm not sure why PETA hates McDonald's so much, since they're #1 on my list of "least likely to have actual meat in their food"
Post by: RedKing on November 22, 2013, 03:22:09 pm
I'm slightly disturbed that this is an answer which has apparently had some forethought. I guess I'm glad the community has that introspection, though.Would furries count as animals or people? And what if you have furries who own pets?Depends on the pet, usually considered to be akin to owning a pet monkey if it's the same species belt.
They're also unlikely to be smart enough to embezzle funds.I so want to use this in a fantasy setting now -- trolls employed by the local king to gather customs duties from travellers. Adventurers could be hired by a merchant company to kill the trolls at a certain bridge before they send a particularly high-value caravan through, only to find out later that their "good deed" constituted murder of the King's officials and now they're wanted criminals. :DI misread that as Trolls, which seemed like a nice and historical way to gather taxes.It is also funded by road/bridge tolls, at least around the New York/New Jersey area. They've raised rates a few times over the past few years on some of em. :'(Roads are maintained either through a small tax on gas and large vehicle (55,000+ lbs) registration (for the national level) or through vehicle registration fees at the state level mostly (though this varies a little bit from state to state).(Though there isn't an actual 'Road Tax' as soon many believe there is.)So what do tax disks show you've paid? My life has been a lie.
This is actually sort of brilliant, because trolls are:
1. Somewhat unimaginative and single-minded, at least in DnD, because they're low Intelligence and low Wisdom. They just want da bux for da baws, brah.
2. They're tough, nigh immune to death from non-fire/acid sources, and if you cut them apart, you just have more trolls to deal with.
3. They'd probably be a cheap hire. "I will give you one animal of your choice for every month you watch my bridge."
4. They're intimidating. No one wants to tell the ten foot tall, insta-regenerating, man-eating monster 'no'.
Post by: Vattic on November 22, 2013, 03:30:29 pm
IIRC, they equate animal domestication to slavery. Or at least indentured servitude.Once again I can see where they are coming from. There is something about freedom even if your lack of it is really comfortable. It's not an uncommon sentiment to object to animals being kept it zoos if they could have survived in the wild, even if less easily. I've kept cats and dogs and would agree that it's more complex, but it could be argued we've bred them into dependants. If you believe animals deserve equal rights to humans then breeding species of animals for work, company, and food would be a bit dodgy.
Because those cats have it so fucking hard, what with all the sleeping they have to do, and the cat condo and free food. Seriously, if there's any pet whose life is the opposite of indentured servitude, it's a cat.
I was posting about their stance in general with the games being about overthrowing evil pokemon masters (right?). This time it seems like they are annoyed that a popular franchise they already dislike is being used to advertise something else they don't like. Axis of evil I guess. I'm not sure they mean gateway as they believe the abuse is already happening. It's not dissimilar to the sexist media normalising sexism argument.I can see where their problem with Pokemon comes from. If you agree that dog fighting and similar is wrong then pokemon fighting is not much different. If you assume media normalises behaviours then Pokemon is normalising animal abuse.So they think Pokemon is a gateway to dogfighting/cockfighting/etc?
That's a rather extreme slippery slope argument, but one I could at least debate. But then WTF is with the McNugget weirdness and having a blood-drenched evil clown boss fight?
Post by: Graknorke on November 22, 2013, 06:38:26 pm
1. Somewhat unimaginative and single-minded, at least in DnD, because they're low Intelligence and low Wisdom. They just want da bux for da baws, brah.Trolls are liberal, confirmed for true fact. They have low intelligence and collect taxes.
Post by: frostshotgg on November 22, 2013, 06:43:10 pm
Post by: Putnam on November 22, 2013, 06:43:37 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on November 22, 2013, 09:34:42 pm
How much heart do trolls have? That's how we'd know how liberal they are.
Anywhere between 5 and 25 kilograms.
Post by: tahujdt on November 24, 2013, 01:36:30 pm
Not all of it their own, of course.How much heart do trolls have? That's how we'd know how liberal they are.
Anywhere between 5 and 25 kilograms.
Post by: scrdest on November 24, 2013, 01:52:13 pm
Not all of it their own, of course.How much heart do trolls have? That's how we'd know how liberal they are.
Anywhere between 5 and 25 kilograms.
Yeah, plus it depends on the climate and refridgeration capabilites.
Post by: GiglameshDespair on November 24, 2013, 02:09:23 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 25, 2013, 12:23:56 pm
Post by: scrdest on November 25, 2013, 01:53:45 pm
What if... What if Owlga isn't really an anime girl?
Post by: Descan on November 25, 2013, 01:56:28 pm
Everyone on the board is an anime girl!
And also human!
Right, Xantalos?
Post by: scrdest on November 25, 2013, 01:58:19 pm
That's silly. That's like asking "What if Xantalos IS human?"
FTFY
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 25, 2013, 02:01:24 pm
Everyone on the board is an anime girl!
descan has bay12 all figured out
watch and learn from her antics
Post by: Eotyrannus on November 25, 2013, 02:07:00 pm
Silly Cmega3-chan, of course you're a girl! Why else would we all be wearing pretty skirts?B-but I'm not a girl!Everyone on the board is an anime girl!
descan has bay12 all figured out
watch and learn from her antics
Post by: Descan on November 25, 2013, 02:09:43 pm
Case in point:
(http://media.tumblr.com/456f8ca9eb1ffb852aa8f28623161a56/tumblr_inline_mw9anh6zGu1rvidx2.jpg)
Post by: Iceblaster on November 25, 2013, 02:11:36 pm
...Silly Cmega3-chan, of course you're a girl! Why else would we all be wearing pretty skirts?B-but I'm not a girl!Everyone on the board is an anime girl!
descan has bay12 all figured out
watch and learn from her antics
When did that happen?
Why on earth would your gender have anything to do with whether or not you are an anime girl?
Case in point:
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...
Dayum.
Post by: Xantalos on November 25, 2013, 02:23:27 pm
That's silly. That's like asking "What if Xantalos isn't human?"HO HO HO~~~~~~~~
Everyone on the board is an anime girl!
And also human!
Right, Xantalos?
Post by: Steelmagic on November 25, 2013, 02:40:57 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on November 25, 2013, 03:10:51 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on November 25, 2013, 03:16:21 pm
You can be the smart one that is the only sane one!
Post by: Xantalos on November 25, 2013, 03:16:48 pm
No. I refuse to be anime.
Post by: Graknorke on November 25, 2013, 03:19:15 pm
In the words of my father, "Tough tits."No. I refuse to be anime.
You are an anime magical-eldrich-girl and that is the last I'll be hearing from you.
Post by: Darvi on November 25, 2013, 03:23:54 pm
*goes grab some screenshots*In the words of my father, "Tough tits."No. I refuse to be anime.
You are an anime magical-eldrich-girl and that is the last I'll be hearing from you.
Post by: Xantalos on November 25, 2013, 03:25:42 pm
/me shoves a tentacle up Graknorke's left nostril and hoists him into the air by his brainIn the words of my father, "Tough tits."No. I refuse to be anime.
You are an anime magical-eldrich-girl and that is the last I'll be hearing from you.
You simply don't understand how long it'll take to shake that off my reputation, sir.
Post by: Iceblaster on November 25, 2013, 03:28:22 pm
/me shoves a tentacle up Graknorke's left nostril and hoists him into the air by his brainIn the words of my father, "Tough tits."No. I refuse to be anime.
You are an anime magical-eldrich-girl and that is the last I'll be hearing from you.
You simply don't understand how long it'll take to shake that off my reputation, sir.
/me gets camera
This'll be good :P
Post by: Darvi on November 25, 2013, 03:29:03 pm
/me shoves a tentacle up Graknorke's left nostril and hoists him into the air by his brainIn the words of my father, "Tough tits."No. I refuse to be anime.
You are an anime magical-eldrich-girl and that is the last I'll be hearing from you.
You simply don't understand how long it'll take to shake that off my reputation, sir.
Spoiler: Sorry, but I have proof. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Xantalos on November 25, 2013, 03:31:19 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 25, 2013, 03:32:19 pm
/me pulls up on the tentacle to avoid putting strain on his head and neck./me shoves a tentacle up Graknorke's left nostril and hoists him into the air by his brainIn the words of my father, "Tough tits."No. I refuse to be anime.
You are an anime magical-eldrich-girl and that is the last I'll be hearing from you.
You simply don't understand how long it'll take to shake that off my reputation, sir.
It's already on your reputation. If you really want to shake it, you'd better start now.
Also, you have been on my mind this entire time. Could you please stop? The nerve (???) impulses from your tentacle are really harshing on my sanity and mental abilities, if you know what I'm saying.
Post by: GiglameshDespair on November 25, 2013, 03:32:43 pm
Would you prefer to be addressed as Xanty-chan or Xanty-oneechan?/me shoves a tentacle up Graknorke's left nostril and hoists him into the air by his brainIn the words of my father, "Tough tits."No. I refuse to be anime.
You are an anime magical-eldrich-girl and that is the last I'll be hearing from you.
You simply don't understand how long it'll take to shake that off my reputation, sir.
Post by: Darvi on November 25, 2013, 03:33:34 pm
Alright alright, I'll stop.
Post by: Xantalos on November 25, 2013, 03:36:18 pm
*tentacle flailing by brain*/me pulls up on the tentacle to avoid putting strain on his head and neck./me shoves a tentacle up Graknorke's left nostril and hoists him into the air by his brainIn the words of my father, "Tough tits."No. I refuse to be anime.
You are an anime magical-eldrich-girl and that is the last I'll be hearing from you.
You simply don't understand how long it'll take to shake that off my reputation, sir.
It's already on your reputation. If you really want to shake it, you'd better start now.
Also, you have been on my mind this entire time. Could you please stop? The nerve (???) impulses from your tentacle are really harshing on my sanity and mental abilities, if you know what I'm saying.
Well you did say shake it.
Post by: Iceblaster on November 25, 2013, 03:38:32 pm
Maybe...
/shameless reference.
Post by: Xantalos on November 25, 2013, 03:42:15 pm
Not quite.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 25, 2013, 03:42:19 pm
*tentacle flailing by brain*/me pulls up on the tentacle to avoid putting strain on his head and neck./me shoves a tentacle up Graknorke's left nostril and hoists him into the air by his brainIn the words of my father, "Tough tits."No. I refuse to be anime.
You are an anime magical-eldrich-girl and that is the last I'll be hearing from you.
You simply don't understand how long it'll take to shake that off my reputation, sir.
It's already on your reputation. If you really want to shake it, you'd better start now.
Also, you have been on my mind this entire time. Could you please stop? The nerve (???) impulses from your tentacle are really harshing on my sanity and mental abilities, if you know what I'm saying.
Well you did say shake it.
/me pulls Xantalos by the 51th tentacle's second ring to establish transformation sequence
the life of a magical eldritch girl is suffering
Post by: Graknorke on November 25, 2013, 03:43:24 pm
By which I mean, I'm too far neurally integrated into Xantalos to be dead. But I needed to inb4 myself because I'm a smug shit like that. Also I cannot move my body, or really much of anything. Or comprehend any particularly helpful sensory information. I'm pretty sure that if I did I would disappear into a mess of a mind, effectively non-existent, the seam between my own insane demi-thoughts and Xantalos' incomprehensible thought process fading as I become completely assimilated.
Post by: Xantalos on November 25, 2013, 03:44:09 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 25, 2013, 03:51:14 pm
Sorry you got soaked in acid there man, but you gotta stop poking that gland.oh god oh man i dont know what im doing i only understand 3dimensional space help
Post by: Xantalos on November 25, 2013, 03:52:38 pm
Post by: Gunner-Chan on November 25, 2013, 04:03:33 pm
I don't know how many of you were even around back then.
Post by: Owlbread on November 25, 2013, 04:04:42 pm
Post by: Xantalos on November 25, 2013, 04:05:28 pm
Post by: Descan on November 25, 2013, 04:06:45 pm
Left, right, left, ana, up, backward, kata, right, down, forward, ana. Repeat.
Edit: I'm keeping the Ana and Kata, I spent a good 5 minutes looking for 4-D directional names.
Post by: Descan on November 25, 2013, 04:08:15 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 25, 2013, 04:10:47 pm
You guys do remember that there was a big thing about all the overdone impromptu forum RP taking over topics right? Why we're missing a certain board now?Actually I had no idea. Which board was it?
I don't know how many of you were even around back then.
Post by: Gunner-Chan on November 25, 2013, 04:14:34 pm
Actually I had no idea. Which board was it?
VN. Or Various Nonsense. Disregard anything you hear about it being special or particularly bad, it was just all the lower boards combined into one.
Post by: frostshotgg on November 25, 2013, 04:16:34 pm
It was off topic or something like that. Basically complete random shit. I didn't actually post back then so I have no idea what actually went on. Beyond that, I'm pretty sure Janet of all people shouldn't be the one to get to complain about overdone impromptu forum RP, seeing how much of a clusterfuck the happy thread is.You guys do remember that there was a big thing about all the overdone impromptu forum RP taking over topics right? Why we're missing a certain board now?Actually I had no idea. Which board was it?
I don't know how many of you were even around back then.
Post by: Putnam on November 25, 2013, 04:19:37 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on November 25, 2013, 04:59:14 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 25, 2013, 05:04:19 pm
Why would you keep a disease alive when you could burn it all away and be done with it?Scientific/research reasons, probably. Like why they keep samples of diseases that are otherwise wiped out, like smallpox.
Post by: scrdest on November 25, 2013, 05:05:43 pm
Why would you keep a disease alive when you could burn it all away and be done with it?
Well, as far as viruses, even the most harmless one, go, you have three options:
a) The virus uses your cells as disposable virus factories, with them ending up bursting once they can't handle it anymore;
b) Nothing happening, because the viral DNA got embedded in your own DNA; then you have a stressful weak at work and it goes back to a)
c) Nothing happening, because the viral DNA got embedded in your own DNA; then you GET FUCKING CANCER.
On the other hand, inflammation ALSO ends up causing damage to your own DNA, which might lead to c), but since it's either possible cancer or cancer and a virus, it isn't hard to decide which is better of the two.
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 25, 2013, 05:51:48 pm
Why would you keep a disease alive when you could burn it all away and be done with it?Researching ways to stop and contain it should it or some similar disease return.
Post by: scrdest on November 25, 2013, 05:53:20 pm
Why would you keep a disease alive when you could burn it all away and be done with it?Researching ways to stop and contain it should it or some similar disease return.
I guess that if you can burn it all away, you don't need much in terms of studying it.
Post by: Graknorke on November 25, 2013, 05:54:12 pm
I guess that if you can burn it all away, you don't need much in terms of studying it.
Researching ways to stop and contain it should it or some similar disease return.Bolded for emphasis.
Post by: scrdest on November 25, 2013, 05:55:41 pm
Bolded and italicized for emphasis. :PI guess that if you can burn it all away, you don't need much in terms of studying it.Researching ways to stop and contain it should it or some similar disease return.Bolded for emphasis.
Post by: Descan on November 25, 2013, 06:15:49 pm
Pushing down on one area will just make wild bubbles appear elsewhere, uncontrollably. It's better to collect it all in one spot and put a painting or poster over top of it to conceal it.
Post by: Graknorke on November 25, 2013, 06:37:14 pm
Bolded and italicized for emphasis. :PI guess that if you can burn it all away, you don't need much in terms of studying it.Researching ways to stop and contain it should it or some similar disease return.Bolded for emphasis.
Researching ways to stop and contain it should it or some similar disease return.Bolded, italicised, and font-upped for emphasis.
Quote from: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/similar?q=similar
adjectiveUnderlined the section relating to what I'm saying here.
having a resemblance in appearance, character, or quantity, without being identical
Post by: kaijyuu on November 25, 2013, 06:39:08 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 25, 2013, 06:45:34 pm
Pictured: People talking past each other.I am the one in the right here.
Post by: Descan on November 25, 2013, 07:01:32 pm
Meaning you're actually on the left.
Technically, you ARE on stage-right. So from your perspective, you are on the right. Not from the rest of us, though! You're on the left.
Post by: Helgoland on November 25, 2013, 07:10:01 pm
Post by: frostshotgg on November 25, 2013, 07:55:47 pm
Great, now all we need is for scrdest to say he's in the right and we'll have maximized the talk-past-ing.Pictured: People talking past each other.I am the one in the right here.
Post by: LordBucket on November 28, 2013, 01:50:50 pm
"Hey, bro."
"Buddy!"
"Sup, man?"
"Fuckin' keeping it real, you know?"
"Dude, you're the man!"
"Shit, I know, right?"
"Bro, you know it man!"
"Later, buddy."
"Take it easy bro."
Entire conversations like this that can basically be summarized as "Hi." "Bye." And yet they cram so much energy and enthusiasm in that it reeks and oozes into the surrounding environment. It's like the words themselves are merely human-sounding noises they've become accustomed to making on top of the real event, which is like an emotionally vibrant expression of dogs licking each others butts. Yelled, because they're so excited to be licking each others butts.
I find humans disgusting sometimes.
Post by: Oliolli on November 28, 2013, 02:13:21 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 28, 2013, 02:27:37 pm
Post by: TCM on November 28, 2013, 03:35:21 pm
Perhaps I'm taking offense to this because that's how I talk to people in casual situations, like in the hallway at school. There's not a lot of time to speak, but I want to make the effort to speak to someone for at least a few minutes. On the flip-side, you have people who discuss matters that they believe they have unique and sophisticated perspectives on while trying to out-pretension each with nonsensical 'intellectual' mumbo-jumbo.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 28, 2013, 07:59:00 pm
I'd have to digress with you, LB. Some people are naturally loud and like to bond and express themselves as such, and what are any of us to prevent people from exerting positive energy like that? Suppose you and someone else had an exchange that consisted of "Hi" and "Bye", and then out of nowhere a guy confronts you, berating you on not having any emotional energy or colorful inflection in your conversation?
Perhaps I'm taking offense to this because that's how I talk to people in casual situations, like in the hallway at school. There's not a lot of time to speak, but I want to make the effort to speak to someone for at least a few minutes. On the flip-side, you have people who discuss matters that they believe they have unique and sophisticated perspectives on while trying to out-pretension each with nonsensical 'intellectual' mumbo-jumbo.
This. Different strokes for different folks. Just because someone doesn't speak to their friends the way you speak to your friends does not mean they aren't communicating just as effectively. There's no 'right' way to be a person, unless we're talking about morals.
Post by: Xantalos on November 28, 2013, 08:00:55 pm
And even then those vary.I'd have to digress with you, LB. Some people are naturally loud and like to bond and express themselves as such, and what are any of us to prevent people from exerting positive energy like that? Suppose you and someone else had an exchange that consisted of "Hi" and "Bye", and then out of nowhere a guy confronts you, berating you on not having any emotional energy or colorful inflection in your conversation?
Perhaps I'm taking offense to this because that's how I talk to people in casual situations, like in the hallway at school. There's not a lot of time to speak, but I want to make the effort to speak to someone for at least a few minutes. On the flip-side, you have people who discuss matters that they believe they have unique and sophisticated perspectives on while trying to out-pretension each with nonsensical 'intellectual' mumbo-jumbo.
This. Different strokes for different folks. Just because someone doesn't speak to their friends the way you speak to your friends does not mean they aren't communicating just as effectively. There's no 'right' way to be a person, unless we're talking about morals.
Post by: frostshotgg on November 28, 2013, 09:31:29 pm
Post by: Gunner-Chan on November 28, 2013, 09:48:09 pm
So many worse things to start distancing yourself from "humans" than smalltalk. Not that I personally think having a weird catch all faith in humanity makes any sense.
Post by: LordBucket on November 28, 2013, 10:55:21 pm
Yeah those are only hollow to outsiders. There are a lot of things being expressed through
channels other than the literal meaning of the words used.
Yes, and no doubt when dogs sniff each others butts, a lot is being conveyed that I'm missing out on too. All the same, I find the idea of humans sniffing each others butts unpleasant. And it does remind me of that.
I'd have to digress with you, LB. Some people are naturally loud and like to bond and express themselves as such, and what are any of us to prevent people from exerting positive energy like that? Suppose you and someone else had an exchange that consisted of "Hi" and "Bye", and then out of nowhere a guy confronts you, berating you on not having any emotional energy or colorful inflection in your conversation?
If I had the "hi" "bye" conversation loudly enough to be heard through walls, loudly enough that others had to politely wait for me to finish so they could hear their own conversation without bellowing at the top of their lungs...they might have a case.
As for "colorful inflection" I'm reminded of a discussion with a girl I had about swearing. She claimed that swearing made her speech more "colorful" and that she found speech without swearing "boring." So I rape asked her if puke made my vomiting conversation more child molesting interesting. And yet apparently some people do genuinely find it more pleasing, more comfortable to insert shit and crap into their sentences. And they don't perceive it as odd. They don't understand why some of us find it unpleasant. They find it boring to not be thinking about smelly steaming piles of shit all the time, and can't help but remind others around them to think about it too. These words have meaning. And to those of us who didn't grow up in families EDIT: "who speak in this manner," a lot of you sound like have some kind of bizarre fecal fetish that won't go away and that you can't help sharing with the rest of us and getting angry when we don't thank you for rubbing our faces in the dirty mess that is your mind. Whose idea was it to use the same word that means excrement that comes out of your asshole to mean "Wow! I find this topic extremely notable in some vague and unspecified way!" The same word to mean "my belongings." The same word as a general emphatic like "wow." And yet some people do this. To these people, words apparently don't have meaning. They're just nice sounds to be made while communicating the real message via body language, tone and butt sniffing.
Again, humans routinely disgust me.
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I'm taking offense to this because that's how I talk
Go ahead and take offense if you want. Maybe you find it "boring" to be greeted with "Hello" instead of "Fuckin' sup man! Dude shit's real yo!" Maybe you find me pretentious. Maybe you see me as a judgmental jerk. I'm willing to accept that. But I ask you to consider...just consider...for the people who are accustomed to hello, what must it be like to have somebody instead shouting in their faces about shit and fucking and expecting a handshake?
Post by: TCM on November 28, 2013, 11:07:10 pm
I'll see if I can come up with some sort of rational coherent response tommorow, because that is quite the...unique perspective you have there.
Post by: Blargityblarg on November 28, 2013, 11:11:17 pm
Yeah those are only hollow to outsiders. There are a lot of things being expressed through
channels other than the literal meaning of the words used.
Yes, and no doubt when dogs sniff each others butts, a lot is being conveyed that I'm missing out on too. All the same, I find the idea of humans sniffing each others butts unpleasant. And it does remind me of that.I'd have to digress with you, LB. Some people are naturally loud and like to bond and express themselves as such, and what are any of us to prevent people from exerting positive energy like that? Suppose you and someone else had an exchange that consisted of "Hi" and "Bye", and then out of nowhere a guy confronts you, berating you on not having any emotional energy or colorful inflection in your conversation?
If I had the "hi" "bye" conversation loudly enough to be heard through walls, loudly enough that others had to politely wait for me to finish so they could hear their own conversation without bellowing at the top of their lungs...they might have a case.
As for "colorful inflection" I'm reminded of a discussion with a girl I had about swearing. She claimed that swearing made her speech more "colorful" and that she found speech without swearing "boring." So I rape asked her if puke made my vomiting conversation more child molesting interesting. And yet apparently some people do genuinely find it more pleasing, more comfortable to insert shit and crap into their sentences. And they don't perceive it as odd. They don't understand why some of us find it unpleasant. They find it boring to not be thinking about smelly steaming piles of shit all the time, and can't help but remind others around them to think about it too. These words have meaning. And to those of us who didn't grow up in families with this disease, a lot of you sound like have some kind of bizarre fecal fetish that won't go away and that you can't help sharing with the rest of us and getting angry when we don't thank you for rubbing our faces in the dirty mess that is your mind. Whose idea was it to use the same word that means excrement that comes out of your asshole to mean "Wow! I find this topic extremely notable in some vague and unspecified way!" The same word to mean "my belongings." The same word as a general emphatic like "wow." And yet some people do this. To these people, words apparently don't have meaning. They're just nice sounds to be made while communicating the real message via body language, tone and butt sniffing.
Again, humans routinely disgust me.QuoteI'm taking offense to this because that's how I talk
Go ahead and take offense if you want. Maybe you find it "boring" to be greeted with "Hello" instead of "Fuckin' sup man! Dude shit's real yo!" Maybe you find me pretentious. Maybe you see me as a judgmental jerk. I'm willing to accept that. But I ask you to consider...just consider...for the people who are accustomed to hello, what must it be like to have somebody instead shouting in their faces about shit and fucking and expecting a handshake?
I think my main reaction to this is disbelief that someone who for the most part seems to be a rational (if, yes, somewhat pretentious) adult human being gets their panties in such a byzantine twist over something so infinitesimally irritating as people using language differently to him.
Post by: Xantalos on November 28, 2013, 11:13:48 pm
Post by: Vector on November 28, 2013, 11:16:27 pm
And to those of us who didn't grow up in families with this disease, a lot of you sound like have some kind of bizarre fecal fetish that won't go away and that you can't help sharing with the rest of us and getting angry when we don't thank you for rubbing our faces in the dirty mess that is your mind. Whose idea was it to use the same word that means excrement that comes out of your asshole to mean "Wow! I find this topic extremely notable in some vague and unspecified way!" The same word to mean "my belongings." The same word as a general emphatic like "wow." And yet some people do this. To these people, words apparently don't have meaning. They're just nice sounds to be made while communicating the real message via body language, tone and butt sniffing.
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But I ask you to consider...just consider...for the people who are accustomed to hello, what must it be like to have somebody instead shouting in their faces about shit and fucking and expecting a handshake?
I would instead argue that you haven't the faintest notion of social register, and much of the time, if you showed up with the intention of receiving a handshake and demure language, you would receive them. Your assumptions display only your dogmatism.
Do you really think that no one who greets you with a handshake and a nice 3/4 part in their hair, perhaps even obediently calling you "sir," went home to say "fuck," "shit," and "damn" as they pleased? Or that they could choose to do so simply because they preferred it, regardless of familial social tradition?
Post by: TCM on November 28, 2013, 11:30:54 pm
How dare you. I've never gotten into any disagreement on a forum, no matter how vicious, for someone to say something like that about my entire family, and in a message so awe-inducingly graphic.
Post by: Eric Blank on November 28, 2013, 11:36:49 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on November 28, 2013, 11:41:23 pm
In the spirit of being 100% fair, some us associate guys cussing their brains out like a gangsta with the bullies we grew up with in school. You know, the guys who spent their days degrading you, beating on you and spitting on the back of your head in class, sneaking into the stall adjacent to yours in the bathroom and throwing toilet water over the divider at you, nabbing any possessions you neglect to secure in a proper locker. And it does seem immature to act like that beyond middle school.
It seems more than immature to commit serious harassment, theft, assault, and potentially assault with a deadly weapon (I can't quite remember how they charge people that spit on cops, but I would assume that you could press for the same. I seem to recall it involving something like 3-5 years in prison) at any point in your life. Those are crimes, and some of them are extremely severe. Just throwing that out there. Associating a manner of speech of with criminals, although understandable, is stereotyping. I curse rather often, but I would certainly never assault someone unless it was in defense of myself or another, nor would I or HAVE I ever stolen from someone, besides once when I was very young and didn't understand the concept of personal property.
And don't respond to Lord Bucket. He is a troll, he wants a reaction, move on with your lives and ignore him.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 28, 2013, 11:45:36 pm
And don't respond to Lord Bucket. He is a troll, he wants a reaction, move on with your lives and ignore him.
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Post by: Hanslanda on November 28, 2013, 11:47:29 pm
Post by: Putnam on November 28, 2013, 11:50:36 pm
Exactly what I said. He only wants to start an argument and I refuse to participate in it. I call it like I see it, and from every other post of his that I've seen, he's a troll. Rule number one of trolls? Don't feed them. You do as you wish, I won't be dragged into it.
Let's widen your reference pool then and see if your opinion changes (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126387.0)
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 28, 2013, 11:51:21 pm
I for one refuse to believe these are not LB's genuine feelings on the matter. Whenever it's stereotypical or not, the only thing done wrong within that argument is actively insulting people (and in the heat of the moment you might not even be noticing writing it out)
Most of us make posts we regret later, it's what we (and Toady separately) make of them. And yeah, broad strokes here. I'm not going to point fingers as you probably know yours best.
Post by: Vattic on November 28, 2013, 11:56:35 pm
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menja bé, caga fort i no tinguis por a la mort! (Eat well, shit a good deal and don't be afraid of death!)
Post by: LordBucket on November 29, 2013, 12:00:58 am
Do you really think that no one who greets you with a handshake and a nice 3/4 part in their hair, perhaps even obediently calling you "sir," went home to say "fuck," "shit," and "damn" as they pleased? Or that they could choose to do so simply because they preferred it, regardless of familial social tradition?
If they do, that's no concern of mine. But to work with a metaphor...people who smoke generally smell like smoke. nd I personally find the smell of burned paper and tar unpleasant. If someone chooses to smoke, that's not my concern, it's not my problem, it's none of my business, and it's not my place to tell them where or not they're "allowed" to smoke. It's completely their affair. But if they light up in front of me and start blowing smoke in my face...yes, that's going to be pleasant for me.
Some people's communication is like that.
something so infinitesimally irritating as people using language differently to him.
I see. So if I raping spoke like anal fixation this, you'd totally ruptured scrotum be ok with it?
Do you see how ridiculous it sounds to talk like that? How is that any different?
"Yo dog. Fuckin' shit be real man."
What does that even mean? And why on earth do some people think that "fucking shit" is a proper, reasonable, healthly ordinary and normal expression to include in a greeting? Do you know what fucking is? Do you know what shit is? So....do you realize what "fucking shit" means?
Yet people really talk like that. And to those of us who don't...it sounds absolutely twisted and bizarre. Just as twisted and bizarre as the raping-anal fixation-ruptured scrotum sentence above.
don't respond to Lord Bucket. He is a troll, he wants a reaction, move on with your lives and ignore him.
Actually, I expected no response to begin with. This is a venting thread, isn't it?
Post by: TCM on November 29, 2013, 12:02:31 am
Upon reflection, I think I was in too 'hot' of a mood in my last post. I nearly included a direct insult at the end of my post, until I caught myself in a sudden burst of consciousness and edited it out. I realized even at that point I should never stoop to that level in any situation. I'm still upset about LB calling my family 'disease'd, but maybe he was simply used the wrong syntax in making a point and he meant something entirely different. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
I'm off for a good night's rest, and will come back here in a refreshed attitude tommorow.
Post by: Hanslanda on November 29, 2013, 12:03:40 am
Post by: Putnam on November 29, 2013, 12:12:44 am
OK, I have very little idea what to say about LB's comments on this whole matter.
I generally say 'crap' and 'shit' and things because I tend to equate them as 'bad', as opposed to 'A pile of faecal matter'
For example: 'I thought X was crap' means 'I thought X was bad', as opposed to 'I thought X was faecal matter'
FAKEDIT: "Yo dog. Fuckin' shit be real man.", I believe, means 'Hi, man! Everything seems to be alright!'
What you're presently complaining about there would be like complaining about the French speaking French, as opposed to English.
My strongest day-to-day swear is "crap". On the internet, I get to be more colorful.
Colorful language is a common euphemism for swearing, by the way.
Post by: RedKing on November 29, 2013, 12:15:11 am
Don't like it? Piss off, bitch. (Note: no actual urination or female dogs need be involved in your action.)
Post by: Putnam on November 29, 2013, 12:18:23 am
I tend to drop a cluster swear bomb when a lot of bad things happen in a short space of time. Generally, this is confined to games, and devolves from various words to me repeating 'shit shit shit shitshitshitSHITSHITSHIT!' over and over again.
For that I just use "dang".
Post by: LordBucket on November 29, 2013, 12:19:31 am
When it comes to scatological language in every day usage I always think of the Catalan pre-meal saying.Quotemenja bé, caga fort i no tinguis por a la mort! (Eat well, shit a good deal and don't be afraid of death!)
But in that expression, if I understand it...the use of "shit" is literal. I'm not objecting to the use of an arbitrary list of words that "some may deem offensive." I'm saying that I personally perceive it as fairly stupid to make a significant habit of using words that don't mean anything.
Remember, my original example focused far more on meaningless filler than the swearing: "yo dog, yeah man you know right?"
We've sort of shifted emphasis to the swearing part. As to the swearing...I get metaphors I get colorful language. I really do. I understand how saying "the beautiful, fluffy clouds reflected the light from the glimmering sunset into my eyes like fountain pouring water into the throat of a parched and dying man." Yes, there are a lot of flowery words there. Sure, it would be more succinct to say "The clouds are pretty."
But when people are using words that literally mean fecal excretions to "beautify" their language...yeah, I don't get that.
Hey, even if you're angry, and swearing to vent...I even understand that. But there are some people who swear as much as they breathe. There's no such thing as a wrench, it's either a fucking wrench or a god damned fucking wrench.
And to those people...yeah, that sounds completely stupid to me. But again, really it was the meaningless filler I was complaining bout. Swearing is just a subset of the filler. "God damned fucking wrench" is 75% filler. Only one of those words contributes useful meaning to the sentence and I don't really buy the explanation that it's an attempt to "beautify" language or make it "more colorful."
I'm still upset about LB calling my family 'disease'd, but maybe he was simply used the wrong syntax in making a point and he meant something entirely different.
I didn't intend to direct that at you personally. I apologize if it came across as a personal attack and I have edited that post to be more neutral in character.
Post by: Vector on November 29, 2013, 12:21:02 am
Yet people really talk like that. And to those of us who don't...it sounds absolutely twisted and bizarre.
Speak for yourself.
Post by: Blargityblarg on November 29, 2013, 12:31:24 am
something so infinitesimally irritating as people using language differently to him.
I see. So if I raping spoke like anal fixation this, you'd totally ruptured scrotum be ok with it?
Do you see how ridiculous it sounds to talk like that? How is that any different?
"Yo dog. Fuckin' shit be real man."
What does that even mean? And why on earth do some people think that "fucking shit" is a proper, reasonable, healthly ordinary and normal expression to include in a greeting? Do you know what fucking is? Do you know what shit is? So....do you realize what "fucking shit" means?
Yet people really talk like that. And to those of us who don't...it sounds absolutely twisted and bizarre. Just as twisted and bizarre as the raping-anal fixation-ruptured scrotum sentence above.
Your willful denial that a word can have more than one meaning (shock horror) doesn't make your false equations any more accurate.
To address the 'beautification' argument. 'beautification' isn't really the right word. One might indulge in purple prose to pretty up a sentence, but the purpose of filler in speech is less to make the meaning more precise or 'beautiful' than the actual saying itself. Samuel L. Jackson's most popular quotes aren't full of profanity because people think Oedipus was an okay dude, they're full of profanity because the curses add impact and rhythm, improving the delivery, not the meaning.
Edit: Also, your assertion that everyone who doesn't speak in such a manner finds speaking in such a manner 'absolutely twisted and bizarre' is... inaccurate, to say the least.
Post by: Xantalos on November 29, 2013, 12:36:07 am
Post by: TCM on November 29, 2013, 12:37:17 am
I understand you just want to vent, but you vented a group of people that many of us on here, including myself, felt like we were a part of. You have to expect some form of backlash when making such broad statements.
Post by: Sirus on November 29, 2013, 12:38:10 am
Post by: Max White on November 29, 2013, 12:40:47 am
I see. So if I raping spoke like anal fixation this, you'd totally ruptured scrotum be ok with it?Well shit... Never fucking stop! It is damn hilarious! :P
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Anal fixation. ;D
Post by: TCM on November 29, 2013, 12:43:09 am
I do love when the Stupid Things thread provides its own material. Saves the hassle of looking for it elsewhere.
On one hand I can agree with you, and on the other, you're vaguely insulting anyone (or everyone) that's been involved in the past few pages. So you're a meanie. Blah.
Spoiler: Plot Twist (click to show/hide)
Post by: Frumple on November 29, 2013, 12:43:33 am
I'm not quite at the point where I could write a book on the usages of vulgarity in modern languages, but gods know some excellent and interesting ones could be written. It's an honestly fascinating subject. I'd rate it right up there with "religious" language, m'self, s'far as intriguing linguistic topics go.
I'unno, for the uninitiated/unaccustomed... maybe try listening to someone swearing up a blue streak in a language you don't understand. Don't look up a translation or anything -- just listen. Attend the sound's aesthetic merit sans meaning and then apply the thus formulated heuristic for appreciation to sound with meaning understood. Might be an possible way to gain insight on the appeal, if such insight is actually desired (and... why not? The more methods of communication available, the better, yes?). S'basically how I brought myself to be less annoyed by the practice. It used to be fairly offputting for me, when I was younger. Horizons have broadened, since, and appreciation has adjusted appropriately.
... this discussion could almost certainly stand it's own thread, really. Has... has there been one, before?
Post by: LordBucket on November 29, 2013, 12:49:13 am
Your willful denial that a word can have more than one meaning (shock horror) doesn't make your false equations any more accurate.
I don't think that's what's going on. For example, what exactly would you suggest is the "alternate meaning" of fuck?
Example 1 "Fuck you."
What exactly does that mean? It doesn't mean 'I don't like you.' It doesn't mean "I'm angry with you." What does it mean? I don't even know. I don't think it even has a meaning. It's like shouting "GRGAGAHGAHHAHAHAHAH!" at someone. There's no real meaning, it's simply a venting of raw emotion.
Example 2: "I'm fucked."
What exactly does that mean? Well, the intent is probably something along the lines of "Things will not work out the way I want them to" or "something very bad is going to happen." While still slightly vague, it's certainly more clear than in the "fuck you" exmple. But the meaning here is obviously not the same
Example 3: "What the fuck is going on?"
Again, what does it mean? It seems to have no meaning...but I guess it's serving as a general emphatic. It's like adding an exclamation point to the end of the sentence. No real meaning, just some sort of increase of intensity.
If you want more examples, lists have been made by people other than me (http://justin.justnet.com.au/rudestuff/uses-of-the-word-fuck.html).
So what's this "other meaning" for the word fuck that you say I'm "denying?" I think it's pretty clear that there isn't one. This isn't simply a word having an multiple meanings. It's people using a word that appeals to them on some gutteral level, and simply saying it a whole lot...just because.
Kind of like the smurfs. "Oh, smurf! I'm smurfing my way to a positively smurfy day!"
And just as juvenile. The word "smurf" doesn't mean anything. Neither does fuck. If I went around saying smurf all the time people would think it childish. Do you see why I might consider it childish to say fuck all the time?
Post by: Bauglir on November 29, 2013, 12:52:53 am
... this discussion could almost certainly stand it's own thread, really. Has... has there been one, before?THERE HAS NOW! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=133763.0)
Post by: Vattic on November 29, 2013, 12:53:41 am
You seemed annoyed at scatological swear words because of the imagery it conjured up in your mind. I'm surprised it only bothers you when the words aren't being used literally. I find the idea of talking about literal shit just before eating far more offputting. I posted the quote because you mentioned obsession with shit which is something that has a notable influence on some European and specifically Catalan traditions.When it comes to scatological language in every day usage I always think of the Catalan pre-meal saying.Quotemenja bé, caga fort i no tinguis por a la mort! (Eat well, shit a good deal and don't be afraid of death!)
But in that expression, if I understand it...the use of "shit" is literal. I'm not objecting to the use of an arbitrary list of words that "some may deem offensive." I'm saying that I personally perceive it as fairly stupid to make a significant habit of using words that don't mean anything.
Post by: Max White on November 29, 2013, 12:54:30 am
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1. A vent of emotion is of itself meaningful communication of information. By saying 'fuck you' to somebody, information can be inferred (Usually a sign of disapproval) and there is your meaning.
2. Once again, a very clear expression of 'I am in a situation where I am the benefactor of no possible outcome', seriously it is just that easy.
3. Used within the given phrase, it alters the tone from one of confusion to one of surprise and anger. 'What is going on' implies that you don't understand the current workings of a situation, while 'What the fuck is going on' implies you understand fully well that your wife is cheating on you, you are just very surprised and unhappy about it.
Communication is easy when you try.
Post by: TCM on November 29, 2013, 12:55:02 am
Post by: Putnam on November 29, 2013, 12:58:15 am
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Is not "fuck you" far more articulate than "GRGAGAHGAHHAHAHAHAH"? Does "I'm fucked" not have more brevity than "This situation is terrible for me"? Does "what the fuck is going on" not contain more urgency than "what's going on"?
The word does have meanings. Heck, I could even link you to a dictionary. I'm not going to because that's the kind of wise-ass thing I'm trying to get over, but I could. Instead, I'm going to try to define them as I see them.
"Fuck you": I wish for you to be fucked (see below meaning).
"I'm fucked": I am in a situation that will inevitably end extremely badly for me.
"What the fuck is going on": This situation is confusing me to an extreme level.
Post by: Tiruin on November 29, 2013, 01:05:30 am
I really can't believe how blown up this whole case is given that context >_<
Post by: Max White on November 29, 2013, 01:09:42 am
Post by: Xantalos on November 29, 2013, 01:10:53 am
Post by: Tiruin on November 29, 2013, 01:12:06 am
...But no, I don't know how important this is! D:
PPE: *Points to general forum rules*
*Points at common sense*
Post by: TCM on November 29, 2013, 01:16:27 am
The fact is that 'fuck' has been used in a negative fashion as opposed to your 'example' of using "SMURF"! It's the meanings we give and how it was used.Tiruin just dropped the F-bomb. That's the cue that it's over.
It's an opinion..which is somehow disregarding the factor of common sense in play. I see egotism.
...But no, I don't know how important this is! D:
PPE: *Points to general forum rules*
*Points at common sense*
Man, all I did was get offended and angry and then I had the need to release it somehow.
I should have been asleep already.
You people.
Post by: Blargityblarg on November 29, 2013, 01:24:43 am
smurfy snip
This entire post is, as far as I can tell, trying to argue that the word 'fuck' has no meaning other than 'have sex with', by listing a whole bunch of meanings other than 'have sex with' that are attributed to 'fuck'.
Post by: Sirus on November 29, 2013, 01:37:59 am
As you can tell, my plan has utterly failed I and I must now commit Internet sepukku in penance.I do love when the Stupid Things thread provides its own material. Saves the hassle of looking for it elsewhere.
On one hand I can agree with you, and on the other, you're vaguely insulting anyone (or everyone) that's been involved in the past few pages. So you're a meanie. Blah.Spoiler: Plot Twist (click to show/hide)
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 29, 2013, 01:39:10 am
As you can tell, my plan has utterly failed I and I must now commit Internet sepukku in penance.I do love when the Stupid Things thread provides its own material. Saves the hassle of looking for it elsewhere.
On one hand I can agree with you, and on the other, you're vaguely insulting anyone (or everyone) that's been involved in the past few pages. So you're a meanie. Blah.Spoiler: Plot Twist (click to show/hide)
rip in pieces obama ;_;7
Post by: LordBucket on November 29, 2013, 01:39:40 am
The word does have meanings. Heck, I could even link you to a dictionary. I'm not going to because that's the kind of wise-ass thing I'm trying to get over, but I could. Instead, I'm going to try to define them as I see them.
"Fuck you": I wish for you to be fucked (see below meaning).
"I'm fucked": I am in a situation that will inevitably end extremely badly for me.
"What the fuck is going on": This situation is confusing me to an extreme level.
I think you missed some context here. The post you're replying to (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=114094.msg4797672#msg4797672) was a response to this post from Blargityblarg (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=114094.msg4797634#msg4797634) in which he apparently accused me of "denying" swear words as homonyms.
So if you're going to defend his point...you need to tell me what specificlly the word 'fuck' means in each those sentences. Not what the sentences mean. Yes, you can construct complete sentences that have similar meaning as the example sentences, but that doesn't establish meaning for the word fuck in those sentences.
This entire post is, as far as I can tell, trying to argue that the word 'fuck' has no meaning other than 'have sex with', by listing a whole bunch of meanings other than 'have sex with' that are attributed to 'fuck'.
No, it was trying to demonstrate that your accusation here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=114094.msg4797634#msg4797634) that I'm, as you phrased it: "denying that words can have more than one meaning" is not accurate.
The word "bow" both means a type of ribbon, as well as a device for launching arrows. The word has multiple meanings. "Fuck" as it is used is not simply a homonym. There's no clear meaning in the way it's used. It's simply a filler/emphatic, much like smurf. If I were to ask you for a concise definition for this alleged "alternate meaning" for the word fuck, you wouldn't be able to do it. The best you'd be able to do is provide a (very long) list is examples of it being used in sentences that had nothing to do with sex.
"Fuck! I fucking got fucked on every fucking attempt. This is totally fucking fucked."
"Smurf! I smurfing got smurfed on every smurfing attempt. This is totally smurfing smurfed."
These aren't homonyms. Yes, you can translate those sentences into real english without the swearing and without the smurfing, but the word 'smurf' as it's being used here doesn't really mean anything, and neither does fuck.
Post by: Xantalos on November 29, 2013, 01:42:12 am
Post by: Scelly9 on November 29, 2013, 01:43:43 am
I don't think anybody actually says 'this totally fucking fucked'. Maybe 'this totally fucking sucked', but not 'fucked' as in the situation itself fucked.You missed an is in there. "This is totally fucking fucked" makes a bit mores sense.
Post by: Max White on November 29, 2013, 01:44:10 am
So if you're going to defend his point...you need to tell me what specificlly the word 'fuck' means in each those sentences. Not what the sentences mean. Yes, you can construct complete sentences that have similar meaning as the example sentences, but that doesn't establish meaning for the word fuck in those sentences.That is a pretty unreasonable thing to demand of a context based language such as English. There are many times when we use more mundane words in a similar fashion to achieve pretty much the a similar effect.
For example, what was the point of putting 'pretty much' into the above sentence? Not much at all, really. But it does help convey tone, and that is important.
Post by: Putnam on November 29, 2013, 01:44:44 am
The word does have meanings. Heck, I could even link you to a dictionary. I'm not going to because that's the kind of wise-ass thing I'm trying to get over, but I could. Instead, I'm going to try to define them as I see them.
"Fuck you": I wish for you to be fucked (see below meaning).
"I'm fucked": I am in a situation that will inevitably end extremely badly for me.
"What the fuck is going on": This situation is confusing me to an extreme level.
I think you missed some context here. The post you're replying to (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=114094.msg4797672#msg4797672) was a response to this post from Blargityblarg (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=114094.msg4797634#msg4797634) in which he apparently accused me of "denying" swear words as homonyms.
So if you're going to defend his point...you need to tell me what specificlly the word 'fuck' means in each those sentences. Not what the sentences mean. Yes, you can construct complete sentences that have similar meaning as the example sentences, but that doesn't establish meaning for the word fuck in those sentences.
"Fuck" in the first sentence is a verb meaning "to curse; to have one fall under unfortunate circumstance".
"Fuck" in the second sentence is the exact same verb, except in the past participial form.
"The fuck" in the third sentence adds degree. There is no prefix or suffix that does this in English and most words that do so are adverbs. You are essentially saying that "very" is also filler; I'll agree that, in formal writing, it is. In informal settings, it's not. It's very useful. Saying that it "has no meaning" is entirely wrong.
Post by: BlackFlyme on November 29, 2013, 01:49:02 am
In the instances of the word fuck, they do not have any one meaning. Fuck has evolved in such a way that now it is simply used to imply great exaggeration. It's a simple modifier, like plenty of other words within the dictionary.
What's going on, what the hell, and what the fuck are all functionally the same, yet each can be considered incrementally worse then their prior. In instances such as these, it's the tone and the usage of words, and not the words themselves, that are meant to convey the meaning of the sentence.
Seriously, the argument has dragged on long enough, can we leave it now?
Post by: Scelly9 on November 29, 2013, 01:51:41 am
Post by: Sirus on November 29, 2013, 01:52:28 am
Post by: Max White on November 29, 2013, 01:54:27 am
I would like to mention (since I seem to have forgotten my sepukku sword at home) that this is the probably the most usage I have ever seen of the word "fuck" in a semi-serious discussion.You clearly never studied programming.
The guys there would write a fucking thesis on this stuff!
Post by: Blargityblarg on November 29, 2013, 01:54:57 am
Post by: Xantalos on November 29, 2013, 01:56:39 am
Post by: Sirus on November 29, 2013, 01:57:48 am
Actually, I have. I'm not very good at it, but study it I have.I would like to mention (since I seem to have forgotten my sepukku sword at home) that this is the probably the most usage I have ever seen of the word "fuck" in a semi-serious discussion.You clearly never studied programming.
The guys there would write a fucking thesis on this stuff!
Post by: Toady One on November 29, 2013, 07:17:38 am