We're the only species that is able to and willing to hurt each other?
I'm sorry, what?
I could list thousands of examples, but i'll just leave you with one. The common garden ant wages war upon other common garden ant nests all the time. And i don't mean scuffles over food, i mean actual war.
We're the only species that is able to and willing to hurt each other?
I'm sorry, what?
I could list thousands of examples, but i'll just leave you with one. The common garden ant wages war upon other common garden ant nests all the time. And i don't mean scuffles over food, i mean actual war.
God damn it Nuruz let me have my semi poetic prose! :P
GOD DAMN IT! GO AWAY! YOU SUCK THE FUN OUT OF MY NONE EXISTENCE SOUL11111We're the only species that is able to and willing to hurt each other?
I'm sorry, what?
I could list thousands of examples, but i'll just leave you with one. The common garden ant wages war upon other common garden ant nests all the time. And i don't mean scuffles over food, i mean actual war.
God damn it Nuruz let me have my semi poetic prose! :P
Not when it's wrong! :D
All that life does is positive to life and often times negitive as well.
All that life does is positive to life and always negitive as well.
Just re-fixed that up for you.
All that life does is positive to life and always negitive as well.
Just re-fixed that up for you.
Holy crap first page and already full caps swearing...
Also we are of nature and so is our culture...
All that man does is positive to man and often times negitive as well.
The way I think it works out, the human culture is probably the worst event of natural process or artificial effect to happen to existance.
We as a species are creations of nature, and separate from human culture are perfect symbols of natural selection under the effect of any habitat it occupies. Unfortunetly you cannot properly descibe "Man" without it's culture, a culture which gives rise to many of man's defining characteristics, such as greed or war or vanity or religion.
Human culture is what turns a naturally ballanced species into "Man", and sets it to destroy nature and it's self.
You dont have to reply, I dont expect you to, as you are so attached to human culture that you would destroy just to keep it.
Sock puppet?
I think it's entirely possible to have a dark past at that age.
I don't. Just amusing story of my being 16 getting caught with bungy cord and a heavy drill in a girls room looking for a stud or something in the cieling that can support weight.
Thanks for saying its "distinct", and I'm not wholely into dark things...just most of me finds gore and dark things cute and cuddley in a horrible way(the lovely baby seals and their bloody skull pulp).
I am from Finland. My darkness is darker and way more ethnic.
Thanks for saying its "distinct", and I'm not wholely into dark things...just most of me finds gore and dark things cute and cuddley in a horrible way(the lovely baby seals and their bloody skull pulp).
I totally call sock puppet on this one, I don't care what you say.
I, also, have a dark past. I live in Canada, where Winter is longer, and the sun was often blocked by clouds when I was a child.
My dark past is mostly because I stayed out of the sun. Australia is hot enough without being outside all the time.
you cant die from not being in the sun...just turn ghostly white and ruin your sleep cycles....
From what I've read of that it can lead to premature ageing if your diet doesnt include vitamin D rich stuff and I doubt I've got a diet low in it...but no you cannot die outright for lack of vitamin D...but it has bad stuff linked to it...
My dark past is mostly because I stayed out of the sun. Australia is hot enough without being outside all the time.
The Australian Sun is a malevolant dick that wants nothing more than the utter destruction of all life.
Yeah the life I live and the stuff I take to live that life allots me no time to sit in the sun at all.
In this thread: Someone who thinks he has a dark and scary unique past declares that human culture is vain, petty, egocentric, and hostile, and fights to the rhetorical death against all comers to prove it.
Oh Internet, what would I do without you?
As for that I dont mind leaving the species man to his own ends after I'm free of the earth, as apposed to complete obiteration of the human race, which based on end abilities wont be a strech from possible, and with results of current tests probable.
Transhumanist.
ARMOK ARMOK ARMOK ARMOK RIGHT THERE.
you can no longer hide
Whats eyearms?
Whats eyearms?A body part used for smelling that is present in the feet.
game development.Bay12games.
I dont believe there is a soul, just mind and body, and I'm going for changing the body and mind as much as needed for end goal.
Technicly afterward I wont be human, as the end product will in no way resemble a human in any way, and will probably not be under any laws of governing as such.
But yes, yet more similarities to Armok.
As for that I dont mind leaving the species man to his own ends after I'm free of the earth, as apposed to complete obiteration of the human race, which based on end abilities wont be a strech from possible, and with results of current tests probable.
I never said I did but I will by plan!(http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/oh_you.jpg)
All I've got now is 60 lb prototype magnetic feild generator that likes to blow up and spit out emp and a to do list about 20 years long...give or take a month for sickness and the unprodictable.
In this thread: Someone who thinks he has a dark and scary unique past declares that human culture is vain, petty, egocentric, and hostile, and fights to the rhetorical death against all comers to prove it.
Oh Internet, what would I do without you?
Yeah the life I live and the stuff I take to live that life allots me no time to sit in the sun at all.
Don't you all love the persons that first go take a crap on everything, without naming alternatives, and then suddenly join in with the people making fun of them?
I most certainly do.
It's impossible to sum up humanity in a cute anecdote or clever quote, because we are never the same, we are so diverse.You come pretty close, right there.
You know, now that we've got the Drama Llama, we might as well pull out all the cheap Soap Opera plot devices.
ARMOK! It's time for you to know... the truth!!! Hungry is closer to you... than you could ever imagine! For secretly, through a terrible mix-up at the post office, Hungry is YOUR LONG LOST TWIN BROTHER!!!
Wouldn't Luke_Prowler's statement be a logical paradox, then?It's impossible to sum up humanity in a cute anecdote or clever quote, because we are never the same, we are so diverse.You come pretty close, right there.
I dont believe there is a soul, just mind and body, and I'm going for changing the body and mind as much as needed for end goal.
Technicly afterward I wont be human, as the end product will in no way resemble a human in any way, and will probably not be under any laws of governing as such.
But yes, yet more similarities to Armok.
As for that I dont mind leaving the species man to his own ends after I'm free of the earth, as apposed to complete obiteration of the human race, which based on end abilities wont be a strech from possible, and with results of current tests probable.
Because you have access to the technology and work materials necessary to do that. I'm calling an unholy amount of BS left and right on this thread. The only factual things here are when Vester said "the" and the drama llama image.
You know, now that we've got the Drama Llama, we might as well pull out all the cheap Soap Opera plot devices.
ARMOK! It's time for you to know... the truth!!! Hungry is closer to you... than you could ever imagine! For secretly, through a terrible mix-up at the post office, Hungry is YOUR LONG LOST TWIN BROTHER!!!
You know, now that we've got the Drama Llama, we might as well pull out all the cheap Soap Opera plot devices.
ARMOK! It's time for you to know... the truth!!! Hungry is closer to you... than you could ever imagine! For secretly, through a terrible mix-up at the post office, Hungry is YOUR LONG LOST TWIN BROTHER!!!
And THAT is what you get when you mail babies intead of picking them up at the hospital.
No. It is a statement of how nobody is the same. All of our viewpoints are different; what one person sees, nobody else can. He doesn't see the irony. You see a paradox. I see a funny.Wouldn't Luke_Prowler's statement be a logical paradox, then?It's impossible to sum up humanity in a cute anecdote or clever quote, because we are never the same, we are so diverse.You come pretty close, right there.
...No worries, that last paragraph makes perfect sense... and is pretty close to my own view on the matter.
Abaut all this nonsesnse abaut souls, minds bodies, what is human... Murky sematics. There are physical laws, and from these emerge patters wich sometimes becomes quite complex, and if these patterns wants to call themelves human or inhuman, dead or alive, happy or suffering, if they want to call some parts "I" and some parts "not me", meaningfull or meaningless, physics dosn't give a ****. I take in information, procces it, and output whatever I think maxemize my expected utility, anything else is irelevant.
Edit: I haven't sleept enoguht, and there weere issues relating to medecine today, so i take no responsibility for the choherence of that last paragraph, or anything I post today really.
No worries, that last paragraph makes perfect sense... and is pretty close to my own view on the matter.
Humans are as good or as bad as their situation allows them to be. The difference between child soldier and middle schooler is environmental not personal
Someone explain to me how culture is "evil".
No, I'm a programmer who enjoys complex systems. ;DQuoteNo worries, that last paragraph makes perfect sense... and is pretty close to my own view on the matter.
You mean you haven't slept enough nor taken your medicine either?
I can't stoop low enough to read that bullshit.Someone explain to me how culture is "evil".
The TIME CUBE (http://www.timecube.com/) explains succinctly and concisely.
Why do you hate me, Ein?As for that I dont mind leaving the species man to his own ends after I'm free of the earth, as apposed to complete obiteration of the human race, which based on end abilities wont be a strech from possible, and with results of current tests probable.
Okay, good.
It's the people who strive to make every human something else entirely that I don't like.
Why do you hate me, Ein?As for that I dont mind leaving the species man to his own ends after I'm free of the earth, as apposed to complete obiteration of the human race, which based on end abilities wont be a strech from possible, and with results of current tests probable.
Okay, good.
It's the people who strive to make every human something else entirely that I don't like.
I just want to make it better...
You hold sacred the idea of keeping humans fleshy and disease ridden, only living for a 122 years at most, while still needing to rely on other people and seperate machines to keep all our ideas?Why do you hate me, Ein?As for that I dont mind leaving the species man to his own ends after I'm free of the earth, as apposed to complete obiteration of the human race, which based on end abilities wont be a strech from possible, and with results of current tests probable.
Okay, good.
It's the people who strive to make every human something else entirely that I don't like.
I just want to make it better...
You want to destroy everything I hold sacred.
For that you must die.
I want some other things that can "perform". underwater. :-\(he's talking about his DS)
Brains generally do poorly in vats.There is a beautiful kind of truth to that statement.
Sorry, I was too busy trying to channel the great Kamina to make sure that my statements were logical. Although Kamina would probably just punch Hungry over the internet and ask him "Who the hell do you think I am".Wouldn't Luke_Prowler's statement be a logical paradox, then?It's impossible to sum up humanity in a cute anecdote or clever quote, because we are never the same, we are so diverse.You come pretty close, right there.
Depends on the vat. If this reality is my current vat, I'm doing all right in it, except for a small hangup on enjoying the vat-produced alcohol feeling.
Nobody would want a boring vat
Depends on the vat. If this reality is my current vat, I'm doing all right in it, except for a small hangup on enjoying the vat-produced alcohol feeling.
Nobody would want a boring vat
Reality is not a vat, and the 'vat' is not your reality.
If you wake up from reality, then your reality will be the vat.
If you don't enjoy alcohol then you are on a good path in reality, unless you suddenly wake up and find yourself in a vat. Then you will want alcohol, lots of alcohol.
I don't know what vat you guys are in, but mine has been a pool of various intoxicants.Depends on the vat. If this reality is my current vat, I'm doing all right in it, except for a small hangup on enjoying the vat-produced alcohol feeling.
Nobody would want a boring vat
Reality is not a vat, and the 'vat' is not your reality.
If you wake up from reality, then your reality will be the vat.
If you don't enjoy alcohol then you are on a good path in reality, unless you suddenly wake up and find yourself in a vat. Then you will want alcohol, lots of alcohol.
Man, you're gonna be so pissed when you find out that alcohol and vat juice don't mix.
My vat is full of CONCENTRATED RAGE! And a slice of Lemon.
I was like "Lol" when I read this thread, then I went "wtf" when it got derailed.
I love these people.
Also, My vat is full of sewer water, old magazines, and !!Dwarf Fortress!!.
My vat is full of CONCENTRATED RAGE! And a slice of Lemon.
For those bloodthirsty rage filled beings with a sense of sophistication.
but at 6 pesos a pop, I can feed myself with 20 pesos, some water and a big bowl.
BEAT THAT VESTER
(yes, for some apparent reason the sari-sari store nearby sells 'em that cheap. I guess it's because they make so much money selling cigarettes and Cobra energy drinks.)
Naaah, I'm a Payless loyalist.
According to xe that is $1.75 in Dollaroos, which is pretty impressive, although i can't help but feel that it cannot possibly be a healthy diet :P
You're aware that there's no reliable way to distinguish lady-brains from men-brains, right?
It'd be like the internet but infinitely worse.
Are we counting glands as part of these hypothetical vat brains? Because then you might be able to tell. Not that the brain itself has sensory perception of any kind.
I just hope there's room in the smoking tank. There better be one.
Actually you could probably get an accurate measure as to the sex of the brains by looking at the estrogen and testosterone levels in them. There's probably also some physical differences (as a result of the aforementioned hormones) if you know where to look.
You're aware that there's no reliable way to distinguish lady-brains from men-brains, right?
It'd be like the internet but infinitely worse.
Actually you could probably get an accurate measure as to the sex of the brains by looking at the estrogen and testosterone levels in them. There's probably also some physical differences (as a result of the aforementioned hormones) if you know where to look.
Why would you need to smoke?
Via injection, of course, if you're looking for a practical answer. Which you're not.Doesn't that just sum this thread up perfectly.
And I'm rather sure we will have to depend on our VR personas to get it on with other brains, thus maintaining our intelligence and gender.
And I'm rather sure we will have to depend on our VR personas to get it on with other brains, thus maintaining our intelligence and gender.
Or we can just rub up against each other. I pretty sure the massive neuron interference of two brains touching each other would be a whole new world of intercourse.
Although brains probably aren't very good swimmers. I wonder if you could even move. Need some sort of motor apparatus...
I thought the apparatus was the vat. Hence why communal vats are not a good idea.
I'm thinking our brains have some cable system to keep us connected to the VR machine and suspend us in the tanks away form the other brains. In theory we could go all Neo and make the machine rub us against another brain, causing a quite literal mindrape.
Actually you could probably get an accurate measure as to the sex of the brains by looking at the estrogen and testosterone levels in them
QuoteActually you could probably get an accurate measure as to the sex of the brains by looking at the estrogen and testosterone levels in them
Brains don't make estrogens or testosterone. They just make the hormones that release them. So it wouldn't work.
Sex hormones do have some effects over the brain, but nothing too critical. A brain in a jar could do without them. Heck, children do without them.
"Noticeable effect on personality", maybe, but nothing resembling brain damage I bet. A lot of cultures have had a whole social class of eunuchs. And these brains have been removed from their bodies. They no longer get constant tactile feedback from their limbs bumping into objects. They no longer feel hunger or thirst. Of course there will be personality changes. I don't think you'd notice a few missing hormones.
Really, leaving any sex drive in a person that has neither reproductive capabilities nor sensory nerves would just confuse the poor bastard.
Masturbating motherfucking fetusesGoddamn that is just way too awesome.
You're trying to tell me that removing testosterone and estrogen (and the other hormones and chemicals the brain doesn't produce for itself) from a brain wouldn't have any noticable affect on personality? Because i'm calling bullshit on that.No, I'm trying to tell you that physiologically the brain (and, for that matter, the body) can get through without sex hormones, and that in fact this does happen in day to day life. I am not saying that this would be particularily desirable (or not, for that matter).
Why would anyone want to send a probe to the sun, anyway? Especially a manned probe. It's a giant ball of hydrogen. There's nothing there but heat and raw materials.(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Xahii-jhQR0/SFk7P02zoDI/AAAAAAAAAIg/VPID_-kGrD8/s400/smbc20080608.gif)
We went to the moon because if we hadn't, the communists would have won. :)And dammit, we couldn't let that communal vat get the satisfaction of reaching the digital moon first. Our vat would boil in rage over such a thought.
Personally I am not overly fond of current space projects, because ATM cost/benefit is abyssmal. I do think they are interesting, mind you, but given the choice of funding scientific projects that just increase knowledge for knowledge's sake, OR funding scientific projects that both increase knowledge and provide useful technologies, then I think the latter should get prioritized.
As to whether a brain in a vat would be human is moot in my opinion. It would still be me.
The Apollo program did make a good deal of useful technologies for humankind. All we need to do is have a goal just outside of our reach, a impending threat and a country behind the cause. If there was some driving force to reach Mars I'm sure the various space programs would output some rather nifty stuff.Yeah, I'm not saying that nothing good whatsoever came out of the space race, but in general, given the choice, I'd fund more definite scientific endeavours (which provide side-technologies just as well), over broad, abstract challenges. Because I feel you'd get more bang for your buck.
As to whether a brain in a vat would be human is moot in my opinion. It would still be me.
Yeah. I was thinking about this sort of thing and its relation to immortality recently - it's the funny thing, really, as even if one cloned oneself, that would still be a seperate "individual" (the English language starts to fall apart around about now), and would still be a seperate conciousness, which will likely be affected in different ways to the "original", and so on, until it's not really (philosophically or otherwise) a clone at all. Then you've got the more transhuman methods of supposed immortality, which (on the face of it) detract from the level of "humanity" involved and focus on the... "individuality"? Preservation? I don't know. But then when you start to consider that cloning is effectively biologically perfect and the more outlandish transhumanist ideas are most likely biologically imperfect, how much of the "self" is contained in each? Can the imperfection in one method be compared against the imperfection of the other? Does the loss in transit matter one way more than the other when it comes to defining humanity/self-existance? etc, etc
/ramble
The clone would be a completely different person, since he'd be exposed to completely different stimuli and make completely different conclusions about said stimuli. That's why clonesex is still gross (Unless you're a homosexual and are okay with that, or it's an opposite-sex clone. Opposite-sex clonesex is awwwright)
Yeah, precisely my point really. The way I feel is that when it comes down to it, the only thing that matters is my existance, as a mind.
Yeah, precisely my point really. The way I feel is that when it comes down to it, the only thing that matters is my existance, as a mind.
You'd better not go to sleep then.
Your "mind" ends at that point.
The person waking up in the morning might have the same body,
and the same brain even,
and the same memories as you,
but then again, so does your duplicate.
Basically, if you are willing to go to sleep,
you should be satisfied with there being a copy of you.
Hell yes. I am the Duke that is alive now and here. The Duke of yesterday is not the same as the Duke of today. The Me of the past hacked a path through the jungle of time to reach right here, right now, so that the Me of the present could forge a way to the future. Clones? I already am a different man each day. The concept of Me is not so rigid as to suggest that I may exist as me forever. I am Duke, no matter what form or identity I take on.:O
Hell yes. I am the Duke that is alive now and here. The Duke of yesterday is not the same as the Duke of today. The Me of the past hacked a path through the jungle of time to reach right here, right now, so that the Me of the present could forge a way to the future. Clones? I already am a different man each day. The concept of Me is not so rigid as to suggest that I may exist as me forever. I am Duke, no matter what form or identity I take on.:O
... are you a god??
Yes, U are eternal.No E are eternal, U are about 60-120 years.
BTW, Armok is way ahead of us on this exciting thought roller-coaster.Corect. Further ahead than I think most of you could even imagine.
Don't forget, he can feel the 4th dimension with his arms. That's WAY advanced.Uhh, what? you mean time? No, my arms can't tell the future.
Quote from: Vester link=topic=56899.msg1240217#msg1240217 date=1273511824Don't forget, he can feel the 4th dimension with his arms. That's WAY advanced.Uhh, what? you mean time? No, my arms can't tell the future.
I can feel through arms on my eyeballs, it's not that hard, tactile rendering is sometimes easier than visual for many things even.
Hey that has a link in it! *Reads*Quote from: Vester link=topic=56899.msg1240217#msg1240217 date=1273511824Don't forget, he can feel the 4th dimension with his arms. That's WAY advanced.Uhh, what? you mean time? No, my arms can't tell the future.
No, not the future.I can feel through arms on my eyeballs, it's not that hard, tactile rendering is sometimes easier than visual for many things even.
Not the 4th dimension, but something.
This thread has gone to places...You're thinking too hard.
Seiusly thou, vating is not very intresting. I'm all uploading.
Abaut the nicotin/sex: Thats just ineficent, if you're gona do that just skip the middleman and wirehead yourself.
That's called imagining things. It's not special.Imagining t is only the first half. Basically, its the difference betwen waching a movie on your phone, and waching it in 3d on the cinema. It's still just the same movie, and still not quite as good as reality, but it feels more real.
And you're already not well-liked around here, don't make it worse by calling us pathetic without providing your own (semi-comprehensible) view of the subject.
@clones: I never cese being suprised at the sheer patheticness of these forums evry atempt at anything remotely philosopical...
Yes, U are eternal.No E are eternal, U are about 60-120 years.
10-20 on all four.What about L?Yes, U are eternal.No E are eternal, U are about 60-120 years.
... Llamas?
I can assure you everyone can imagine like that.I'm pretu sure they dont. It reures the concius use of quite a few tricks of phsycology, and a reasonable scientific knowledge abaut the thing you're abaut to imagine. It's more like... I guess a decently vivid dream, or a powerfull relived memory, are similar experiences you can have withoute lerning special techniques.
My keyboard is broken, I'm geting a new one in a few weeks when my birthday comes around. My mouse is also not in the best shape, so rightclicking evry word is a pain.@clones: I never cese being suprised at the sheer patheticness of these forums evry atempt at anything remotely philosopical...I'd be more inclined to take you seriously if you hadn't just misspelled literally 33% of of the words in that sentence.
I can imagine pretty well. I mean, you have your 3D cinema, but compared to me, its like a 3D cinema and REAL LIFE. HAHAHAHA.huh? care to clarify? That is either completly wrong, o right on spot, depending on who is who in those pronouns.
Older than Phantom, younger than you, probably.We can only hope. Strangely it seems like people like you and me are in the upper age limits of this forum. A little bit distressing to know that this game is played primarily by 12-15 year olds. Corrupting the youth for giggles.
Older than Phantom, younger than you, probably.We can only hope. Strangely it seems like people like you and me are in the upper age limits of this forum. A little bit distressing to know that this game is played primarily by 12-15 year olds. Corrupting the youth for giggles.
You are truly a plusgood doublethinker.Personally I like to think of myself as the larval form of someone akin to Diogenes of Sinope.
I sometimes have weird near-dreams in which I am an amorphous blob seeping down through porous material.
Also, any discussion about anything even remotely philosophical is, by definition, philosophy. Socrates is laughing at us from beyond the grave, but it is a loving, benevolent laugh. Our pointless arguing is making him proud.
I can assure you everyone can imagine like that.I'm pretu sure they dont. It reures the concius use of quite a few tricks of phsycology, and a reasonable scientific knowledge abaut the thing you're abaut to imagine. It's more like... I guess a decently vivid dream, or a powerfull relived memory, are similar experiences you can have withoute lerning special techniques.My keyboard is broken, I'm geting a new one in a few weeks when my birthday comes around. My mouse is also not in the best shape, so rightclicking evry word is a pain.@clones: I never cese being suprised at the sheer patheticness of these forums evry atempt at anything remotely philosopical...I'd be more inclined to take you seriously if you hadn't just misspelled literally 33% of of the words in that sentence.I can imagine pretty well. I mean, you have your 3D cinema, but compared to me, its like a 3D cinema and REAL LIFE. HAHAHAHA.huh? care to clarify? That is either completly wrong, o right on spot, depending on who is who in those pronouns.
Interestingly, if I remember my high school biology classes correctly, children you have with your opposite-sex clone will also be clones of you! Well, there will be two possible variations; there's necessarily a one-chromosome difference between you and your opposite-sex clone or it wouldn't be opposite-sex.
Interestingly, if I remember my high school biology classes correctly, children you have with your opposite-sex clone will also be clones of you! Well, there will be two possible variations; there's necessarily a one-chromosome difference between you and your opposite-sex clone or it wouldn't be opposite-sex.
It's a lot more complicated than that. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiosis) At least if you're having children via sexual reproduction.
Actually he's pretty right about them being near clones. Remember, your exactly 50% DNA from your dad and 50% DNA from your mum. If both of those 50% were exactly the same, then your going to be another clone.
We even dragged foot down into our inanityFixed
It's a lot more complicated than that. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiosis) At least if you're having children via sexual reproduction.That article is all written in biologese and I can't understand it. :|
Sex with your own clone is masturbation.With our current cloning technology, unless you're willing to wait like sixteen years, sex with your own clone would be child rape. :D
I prefer to consider it "fondling myself inappropriately without my consent."Sex with your own clone is masturbation.With our current cloning technology, unless you're willing to wait like sixteen years, sex with your own clone would be child rape. :D
I prefer to consider it "fondling myself inappropriately without my consent."Ah, but if you don't recognize a clone's rights as a separate human being, you lose your right to complain when it goes crazy. For example, if a clone decided to kill you in your sleep, that wouldn't be murder, that would be a lab accident. ;)
I believe that certain pious folks might have tried that rape argument to get out of being accused of masturbation.
I wasn't masturbating, my hand was raping me!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Lol Armok. You're basically saying you're some sort of magic brain wizard. I love it. You may be balls-out crazy, but at least you do it in an awesome way.No. It's a simple trick, anyone could probably lern it. It's just not of enoguht use for anyone to bother doing so. I eman, who REALY wants to take a class so they can feel like they have eyearms?
It is not. Anyone with a fully-functioning brain and a capacity for abstract thought can imagine a scenario with full or at least near-full sensory awareness."Full" is relative, and I'm not sure what you mean by "awareness", but it sounds significaltly narrower thann waht I can do.
ITT: Armok has magical powahz that grant him super senses. He is not sure what you mean by 'tasting' 'flavors of ice cream' but he can definitely do more than that.No. I just can do it wihtout having an actual icecream. Althou as it dosnt actualy cause the asociated CHEMICAL effects it's not that much of a point doing spesificaly that.
Ah, but are you good at it?ITT: Armok has magical powahz that grant him super senses. He is not sure what you mean by 'tasting' 'flavors of ice cream' but he can definitely do more than that.No. I just can do it wihtout having an actual icecream. Althou as it dosnt actualy cause the asociated CHEMICAL effects it's not that much of a point doing spesificaly that.
I am deliberately excluding test-tube clones because they are shitty.(dolly the sheep died a premature death)Dolly the sheep was created in 1996. Techniques have improved since. Nowadays animals can be cloned somewhat reliably. Supposedly one company managed to pull off human cloning, but not much more has been heard in that regard
Older than Phantom, younger than you, probably.We can only hope. Strangely it seems like people like you and me are in the upper age limits of this forum. A little bit distressing to know that this game is played primarily by 12-15 year olds. Corrupting the youth for giggles.
The definition of narcissism is looking at yourself in the mirror and going, "God I'd like to have sex with that".Wouldn't that also be the definition of gay as well? o_O
Not if it's with yourself. Although I think that's what's being discussed.The definition of narcissism is looking at yourself in the mirror and going, "God I'd like to have sex with that".Wouldn't that also be the definition of gay as well? o_O
Dont paint the cow black and call it a bear.Not if it's with yourself.The definition of narcissism is looking at yourself in the mirror and going, "God I'd like to have sex with that".Wouldn't that also be the definition of gay as well? o_O
I sorta see what you're saying but I'd appreciate it if you tried to back up your claim in any way at all.Dont paint the cow black and call it a bear.Not if it's with yourself.The definition of narcissism is looking at yourself in the mirror and going, "God I'd like to have sex with that".Wouldn't that also be the definition of gay as well? o_O
You are still sexing with a man.I sorta see what you're saying but I'd appreciate it if you tried to back up your claim in any way at all.Dont paint the cow black and call it a bear.Not if it's with yourself.The definition of narcissism is looking at yourself in the mirror and going, "God I'd like to have sex with that".Wouldn't that also be the definition of gay as well? o_O
This is why our internet culture is horrible.
internet culture is nothing compared to our IRL culture.This is why our internet culture is horrible.
Only then would I be inclined to agree with you.
Also, it is not as much "fondling yourself" as "fondling a newborn baby that is your identical twin".
Let me just repeat this for emphasis. What you are hypothetically doing here is raping an infant.
you cant die from not being in the sun...just turn ghostly white and ruin your sleep cycles....
You most certainly can. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D)
Older than Phantom, younger than you, probably.We can only hope. Strangely it seems like people like you and me are in the upper age limits of this forum. A little bit distressing to know that this game is played primarily by 12-15 year olds. Corrupting the youth for giggles.
Armok's between 18-20 years old, probably 19.
And yeah, the average age down in the lower forums is 15-20. Don't that just weird you out?
15-20? I'd guess more 13-18Older than Phantom, younger than you, probably.We can only hope. Strangely it seems like people like you and me are in the upper age limits of this forum. A little bit distressing to know that this game is played primarily by 12-15 year olds. Corrupting the youth for giggles.
Armok's between 18-20 years old, probably 19.
And yeah, the average age down in the lower forums is 15-20. Don't that just weird you out?
Considering the number of Relationship threads?
No, not really.
Also sex with your clone would be homosexual masterbation...Not at all.
as killing your clone would be suicide.No, not at all.
vat-brains would die due to non-stimulation...One can stimulate them.
And reproducing space organisms are an odd idea.Like us?
And reproducing space organisms are an odd idea.Like us?
There just isn't the material in deep space for macroscopic, sexually reproducing organisms to exist.
...You are suggesting that right outside the visible universe, gravity starts working differently and you get things like asteroid thickets and space rivers? And over there we would find some kind of energy beings that reproduce sexually?
...You are suggesting that right outside the visible universe, gravity starts working differently and you get things like asteroid thickets and space rivers? And over there we would find some kind of energy beings that reproduce sexually?
No, that's not what I said at all. I'm suggesting that since we don't know what's out there, that saying sweeping statements such as "so and so can't ever possibly happen!" is a bit silly.
...You are suggesting that right outside the visible universe, gravity starts working differently and you get things like asteroid thickets and space rivers? And over there we would find some kind of energy beings that reproduce sexually?
No, that's not what I said at all. I'm suggesting that since we don't know what's out there, that saying sweeping statements such as "so and so can't ever possibly happen!" is a bit silly.
However, saying "according to everything we know about life and the nature of space, so and so can't ever possibly happen!" is perfectly reasonable.
...You are suggesting that right outside the visible universe, gravity starts working differently and you get things like asteroid thickets and space rivers? And over there we would find some kind of energy beings that reproduce sexually?
No, that's not what I said at all. I'm suggesting that since we don't know what's out there, that saying sweeping statements such as "so and so can't ever possibly happen!" is a bit silly.
However, saying "according to everything we know about life and the nature of space, so and so can't ever possibly happen!" is perfectly reasonable.
But we know that (biological) life needs matter. And for it to be SPACE, that matter couldn't be organized into huge spheres. And, according to the theories on gravity, so far confirmed by observatory evidence, matter has a tendency to organize itself into huge spheres. And we can see pretty well in space, stars are visible at almost any distance, and even dark, cold, dead lumps of rock would probably show up if there was a star behind it. Or enough mass and a star somewhere near to directly behind it. It's also a reasonably assumption that life would need a star near it, so dark, cold, dead lumps of rock wouldn't matter anyway. All in all, we DO know how space works pretty well.
Also, water has a lot of nifty properties that make it real easy to have water-based life, compared to a lot of other things. It reacts as both an acid AND a base, it expands when it freezes, and it dissolves things really well. So, we can also make some assumptions about what kind of life we should expect to find.
Perhaps saying that off-planet life can't ever possibly happen is technically incorrect, or at least unprovable, but I can't really imagine how it would happen. If you have some theory on how space animals would work, please, do share.
I'm just saying that the sum knowledge of humankind isn't perfect. We don't know everything.Yes, this is true. I still hold that macroscopic space-borne life is silly. Should I word it differently? "There probably just isn't the material in deep space for macroscopic, sexually reproducing organisms to exist"? What exactly am I allowed to treat as unquestionable facts? Indeed, how do you know we don't know everything? Isn't it a bit bold to suggest it certainty that all the current theories about the universe aren't true?
tl;dr
life is just repeating fractal pattern, right? With enough magnetic force, there could be a different kind of life out there
Anyways, life is funny. It's purpose is to use energy to gather material in a certain order. It resist entropy so it must be awesome.
From what I recall, the density of a nebula is supposed to be roughly akin to one atom every few miles, at the closest.