Post by: DwarfEngineer on September 20, 2010, 04:16:56 pm
(http://wiki.dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/hg/img/DT_0.5.0.PNG)
DwarfTherapist
Latest Version: 0.6.12 - windows (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12.zip) | linux (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/LinuxVersion) | osx (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b05.dmg)
Latest Supported Dwarf Fortress: 0.34.10 (through auto-update)
Released: February 18, 2012, Updated 5/23/2012
PROJECT PAGE & DOWNLOADS (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist)
Now Accepting Tips! (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/tip.html)
Original Thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39229.0)
DwarfTherapist
Latest Version: 0.6.12 - windows (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12.zip) | linux (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/LinuxVersion) | osx (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b05.dmg)
Latest Supported Dwarf Fortress: 0.34.10 (through auto-update)
Released: February 18, 2012, Updated 5/23/2012
PROJECT PAGE & DOWNLOADS (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist)
Now Accepting Tips! (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/tip.html)
Original Thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39229.0)
For those of you who are unaware, chmod has retired from maintaining DwarfTherapist, and we will miss him! However, he is still active in the community and is helping with some of the details of maintaining the project.
For the time being, I will be acting as maintainer for DwarfTherapist. This means that I will be doing new releases to support the newer versions of Dwarf Fortress. I will also take a crack at some of the bugs / feature requests as I get time. If you have questions, I will be available on IRC (as Hecaterus) in the #dwarftherapist channel on freenode, as well as on the Dedicated Forum (linked above.)
Thank you for your patience as I try to get acquainted with the project. Hopefully releases will start coming sooner after Dwarf Fortress releases.
Post by: Dohon on September 20, 2010, 04:19:08 pm
Post by: Andir on September 20, 2010, 04:25:45 pm
Much thanks to you, DwarfEngineer, for taking up the task to keep this project updated. Much appreciated!Agreed. Just don't get burnt out. Do it on your time.
Post by: Gearheart on September 20, 2010, 05:34:47 pm
Post by: chmod on September 20, 2010, 06:02:18 pm
I merely hope I can keep an engraving of myself on some forgotten wall of DT.
Post by: Moonshine Fox on September 20, 2010, 06:49:12 pm
Post by: Cheese on September 21, 2010, 12:46:30 pm
Post by: Mishy on September 21, 2010, 03:23:11 pm
Post by: vhappylurker on September 21, 2010, 03:27:56 pm
Post by: Cyntrox on September 21, 2010, 04:58:06 pm
How do you compile it from source? Unless I'm doing something teminally wrong there's no makefile or anything in the repository...
Post by: Shades on September 22, 2010, 04:41:02 am
Do you mind 3rd party patches & contributions?
How do you compile it from source? Unless I'm doing something teminally wrong there's no makefile or anything in the repository...
It's the .pro file you want to look at.
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/source/browse/dwarftherapist.pro
Post by: James.Denholm on September 22, 2010, 05:05:05 am
Post by: derekiv on September 22, 2010, 06:21:11 am
Post by: vrga on September 22, 2010, 06:38:38 am
btw, DT 0.5.7 has worked with 31.12 with the offsets i found for windows a while ago. xD
Post by: devek on September 22, 2010, 06:57:49 am
Post by: Dr. Hieronymous Alloy on September 22, 2010, 10:15:45 am
just dropping by to have this in my "check for new replies" thingy :p
Me too :P
If this is the place for feature requests, let me request improved handling of dwarf attributes. I'd really like to be able to sort by most creative / most agile, for example.
Post by: neo1096 on September 22, 2010, 10:22:51 am
Post by: Xenos on September 22, 2010, 01:10:49 pm
Now I wont have to sift through replies to find the new version...(assuming Dwarf engineer plans on editing the OP with the current version)
Post by: Peewee on September 22, 2010, 02:48:54 pm
(Don't mind me if you've already added this... I haven't had the chance to use the newest version)
Feature requests:
-Make managing 'custom professions' easier.
--Saving/loading of custom profession sets
--Manage labors the same way as dwarves, (instead of having a list of check-marks, use the main layout)
--If you update the custom profession labors, reflect the changes in dwarves with that labor.
-Make all values editable (If you check the "enable cheats" box in settings) ?
I remember this was discussed in the old thread, but hey, with a new maintainer, anything is possible.
Post by: Aklyon on September 22, 2010, 03:09:00 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on September 22, 2010, 09:51:12 pm
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Do you mind 3rd party patches & contributions?I would welcome any patches / contributions. Especially if they are around open issues. Please let me know if you decide to work on something so we don't end up duplicating effort!
How do you compile it from source? Unless I'm doing something teminally wrong there's no makefile or anything in the repository...
I've created a wiki page (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist) for instructions on how to build Dwarf Therapist.
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If this is the place for feature requests, let me request improved handling of dwarf attributes. I'd really like to be able to sort by most creative / most agile, for example.I've updated Issue #266 (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=266) to include your request.
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Feature requests:Opened issue #288 (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=288) to track this request.
-Make managing 'custom professions' easier.
--Saving/loading of custom profession sets
--Manage labors the same way as dwarves, (instead of having a list of check-marks, use the main layout)
--If you update the custom profession labors, reflect the changes in dwarves with that labor.
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-Make all values editable (If you check the "enable cheats" box in settings) ?Do you have more details on this request? I haven't played with this feature yet. If you have a link to the previous discussion that would be good.
I probably won't get to these features right away as I will be travelling during the first part of October. But hopefully I can start getting a hang of the UI code before too long.
Thanks for your support everyone!
Post by: The Architect on September 22, 2010, 11:07:39 pm
Post by: snooptodd on September 22, 2010, 11:54:43 pm
Post by: mLegion on September 23, 2010, 02:42:31 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on September 23, 2010, 03:12:50 am
Post by: JanusTwoface on September 23, 2010, 09:31:10 am
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If you have something to add or just to say good work, by all means go for it. But posting just to follow up the thread makes for a gigantic unweildy thread.
(/pet peeve)
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More on topic:
Thanks for taking this project up DwarfEngineer! It would be a shame to lose such a tool. It's really the best layed out iteration of the job managers in my opinion.
Do you perchance tend to hang out on IRC? I have a few questions about the project that I want to swing by someone that actually knows the code base well enough to get it to compile (still fighting with that myself).
Post by: Shades on September 23, 2010, 10:05:01 am
Post by: DwarfEngineer on September 23, 2010, 10:13:56 am
Do you perchance tend to hang out on IRC? I have a few questions about the project that I want to swing by someone that actually knows the code base well enough to get it to compile (still fighting with that myself).
Yes, I'm on #dwarftherapist on freenode quite a bit as Hecaterus.
Post by: Randomtask on September 23, 2010, 12:04:30 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on September 23, 2010, 12:48:05 pm
To anyone just posting so that they get updates on the thread:Yeah I don't want an e-mail every time someone posts here, but I do want it to show up in my "new replies" window.
(http://jverkamp.com/temp/ClickHere.png)
If you have something to add or just to say good work, by all means go for it. But posting just to follow up the thread makes for a gigantic unweildy thread.
(/pet peeve)
So deal with it, your pet peeves aren't our problem.
Post by: devek on September 23, 2010, 12:51:38 pm
Post by: Aklyon on September 23, 2010, 02:17:22 pm
Not so much here.
Post by: Woof on September 23, 2010, 03:23:51 pm
Post by: Jon-Ace on September 23, 2010, 04:18:56 pm
Post by: SilverLight on September 23, 2010, 04:21:49 pm
Back on topic, I assume .14 support will be fairly easy. Just need to get the vectors, right?
yeah I thought so to so I gave it a whirl. Posted my results on http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/MappingNewVersions (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/MappingNewVersions). Can't figure out the creature vector.
Post by: Cyntrox on September 23, 2010, 04:48:50 pm
Awesome, maybe I'll send over something once I get the layout figured out =PQuoteDo you mind 3rd party patches & contributions?I would welcome any patches / contributions. Especially if they are around open issues. Please let me know if you decide to work on something so we don't end up duplicating effort!
How do you compile it from source? Unless I'm doing something teminally wrong there's no makefile or anything in the repository...
I've created a wiki page (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist) for instructions on how to build Dwarf Therapist.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on September 23, 2010, 06:36:42 pm
I'll be posting a new version in a few minutes.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on September 23, 2010, 06:52:03 pm
Barring any more datastructure or compiler changes, DT 0.6.2 should be able to find creature vectors again.
Post by: SilverLight on September 23, 2010, 08:25:17 pm
Post by: Jon-Ace on September 23, 2010, 09:41:28 pm
Post by: twalberg on September 24, 2010, 09:58:02 am
Post by: UberNube on September 24, 2010, 11:24:30 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you have any problems ask here and I may be around to solve them... now to work on getting some linux offsets for DF 31.14
EDIT: I have found some of the offsets, but not all of them:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Morwaul on September 24, 2010, 12:04:37 pm
I would like to be able to have some form of custom grouping. I can see several ways that this could work but any of them would do. The main reason I want the feature is so that I can put all of my designated crafters, miners, farmers, smiths, military etc into a group or groups so that I can easily view all the extra dwarves to easily assign them labors.
The best way to do this would be to be able to creat custom groups sort of like the custom professions. Select a bunch of dwarves and right click and select assign to group. It would also be nice to be able to create groups within groups or nested groups so that we could select a Group in the Group by drop down and it display the dwarves in the 2 or more groups we assigned them to for that Group.
Another way to do it might be to have a couple extra columns that we could check that would allow sorting by clicking on the column header. It would have to sort by checked or not checked though rather than some numerical value like the skill columns.
Anyway, it's just an idea and someone may have already requested it. It sure would make my life easier though and I would think lots of people would like this feature.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 24, 2010, 02:02:41 pm
Post by: FleshForge on September 24, 2010, 02:07:34 pm
Otherwise works perfectly though!
Post by: Punished on September 24, 2010, 06:23:38 pm
I guess thats what I get for buying a Mac laptop and a Windows desktop... I want to play DF everywhere but my desk in my room haha, I'd rather play on the couch.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on September 24, 2010, 08:09:02 pm
Post by: bremarv on September 25, 2010, 04:19:06 am
I can compile it fine using Ubuntu as follows:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks, I got it to compile, but was missing the etc folder, so it works fine now.
edit: being a noob and deleting quote end tag
Post by: Alekiel on September 25, 2010, 01:30:27 pm
I can compile it fine using Ubuntu as follows:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you have any problems ask here and I may be around to solve them... now to work on getting some linux offsets for DF 31.14
EDIT: I have found some of the offsets, but not all of them:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Any update on those linux offset?
Post by: Azrathud on September 25, 2010, 07:33:24 pm
I can compile it fine using Ubuntu as follows:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you have any problems ask here and I may be around to solve them... now to work on getting some linux offsets for DF 31.14
EDIT: I have found some of the offsets, but not all of them:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Any update on those linux offset?
I second this.
What program do you use to find the offsets?
Post by: UberNube on September 25, 2010, 08:02:26 pm
I can compile it fine using Ubuntu as follows:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you have any problems ask here and I may be around to solve them... now to work on getting some linux offsets for DF 31.14
EDIT: I have found some of the offsets, but not all of them:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Any update on those linux offset?
I second this.
What program do you use to find the offsets?
Sorry, I don't know enough to get any more of the offsets. I was just using the guide here: Dwarf Therapist - Mapping New Versions (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/MappingNewVersions). Unfortunately it seems to not always work, so I can't find the creatures offset. I probably should have made that clearer in an edit to my post.
Post by: Alekiel on September 26, 2010, 03:26:54 pm
Is there any other way to get the offsets? Playing the game without Therapist can be so annoying.
Post by: xczxc on September 26, 2010, 04:51:34 pm
Post by: deej on September 26, 2010, 07:55:31 pm
Post by: Reese on September 26, 2010, 11:01:29 pm
I just got a legendary blowgunner dwarf in a migration wave, but the column for bowman and blowgunner are reversed. Can't wait for the goblins to invade so I can get some darts!
I've had a problem like that... make sure your military tab isn't a holdover from a previous version of DT (a new version of DT I had imported an old version's military tab and had all the professions wrong under custom column names)
Post by: Fastler on September 28, 2010, 10:38:20 am
Post by: Andir on September 28, 2010, 10:57:16 am
HarrumphIs it just me or does anyone else have a hard time imagining someone actually saying/sounding that? :p
Post by: Ratbert_CP on September 28, 2010, 10:58:45 am
It's just you. I make that noise all the time. Of course, I'm an old fogey, so harumphing is just how I roll...HarrumphIs it just me or does anyone else have a hard time imagining someone actually saying/sounding that? :p
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 28, 2010, 11:34:35 am
Post by: LoSboccacc on September 28, 2010, 11:44:19 am
Harrumph, I really want the Linux version to work. My netbook runs the game about 3 times faster under ubuntu then windows. I really don't want to have to go into windows just for Therapist.
go figure, I play under mac using wine for therapist
Post by: Peewee on September 28, 2010, 11:56:26 am
Quote-Make all values editable (If you check the "enable cheats" box in settings) ?Do you have more details on this request? I haven't played with this feature yet. If you have a link to the previous discussion that would be good.
I meant all values as in skills, abilities, etc.
One can currently observe how much xp a dwarf has in a given skill, but it would be nice to be able to change it too.
Did you ever use companion for the older versions? That's the sort of functionality I would like.
Post by: JanusTwoface on September 28, 2010, 12:23:09 pm
Quote-Make all values editable (If you check the "enable cheats" box in settings) ?Do you have more details on this request? I haven't played with this feature yet. If you have a link to the previous discussion that would be good.
I meant all values as in skills, abilities, etc.
One can currently observe how much xp a dwarf has in a given skill, but it would be nice to be able to change it too.
Did you ever use companion for the older versions? That's the sort of functionality I would like.
Have you tried Runesmith (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59056.0)? It's billed as "A DC like tool" and might be just what you were looking for.
Granted, it would be nice not to run so many seperate programs for different things, but it does make maintenance and testing easier (IMO) if each program only tackles a part of the problem.
Post by: chmod on September 28, 2010, 12:23:34 pm
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/VisionStatementQuote-Make all values editable (If you check the "enable cheats" box in settings) ?Do you have more details on this request? I haven't played with this feature yet. If you have a link to the previous discussion that would be good.
I meant all values as in skills, abilities, etc.
One can currently observe how much xp a dwarf has in a given skill, but it would be nice to be able to change it too.
Did you ever use companion for the older versions? That's the sort of functionality I would like.
Post by: bremarv on September 28, 2010, 03:30:35 pm
I have tried using some of the 31.14 numbers from dfhack, but it don't seem to work.
Post by: squeakyReaper on September 28, 2010, 05:23:00 pm
Post by: xdarkcodex on September 28, 2010, 07:32:02 pm
Helps a lot especially since I realized you can right click to enable/disable all jobs of that type... until just an hour ago, I had been clicking off everything. xDDidn't know that, So I've been doing this wrong all this time?
Post by: FuzzyDoom on September 28, 2010, 07:53:26 pm
And to say thanks to the new maintainer. ♥
Post by: Punished on September 28, 2010, 08:14:15 pm
Harrumph, I really want the Linux version to work. My netbook runs the game about 3 times faster under ubuntu then windows. I really don't want to have to go into windows just for Therapist.
go figure, I play under mac using wine for therapist
I've tried using wine for osx, but its REALLY slow and laggy :(
Post by: Peewee on September 28, 2010, 10:58:38 pm
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/VisionStatement
aww...
Post by: Socializator on September 29, 2010, 04:23:24 am
THANK YOU
to the new maintainer(s) (chmod already received one :P)
Seriously, you make dwarf fortress seriously playable.
Post by: Fastler on September 29, 2010, 08:45:17 am
Harrumph, I really want the Linux version to work. My netbook runs the game about 3 times faster under ubuntu then windows. I really don't want to have to go into windows just for Therapist.
go figure, I play under mac using wine for therapist
I've tried using wine for osx, but its REALLY slow and laggy :(
The problem with using WINE is that you also need to be running DF in WINE for it to work, and with the diminished performance, you may as well just be in windows in the first place! But I am already crippled by my lack of Therapist.
Oh yes, and it really is a great tool to all those devs/ maintainers out there.
Post by: Romeofalling on September 30, 2010, 02:24:32 pm
One feature request and one question about the program:
Feature request: Cross-window display of squad assignments somehow. Perhaps an icon next to the dwarf's name, indicating s/he is assigned to a squad, with a mouseover text showing which squad. Given the new military menu, it'd be very nice to be able to see that I have two carpenters assigned to different squads, so I can rotate their training schedule.
Question: Sometimes, one of the names in DT will be boldfaced. Why is this?
Again, thank you so much for the perfect tool (with the perfect scope)!
Post by: LoSboccacc on September 30, 2010, 02:43:40 pm
Post by: James.Denholm on September 30, 2010, 07:14:38 pm
Post by: Hans Lemurson on October 01, 2010, 03:27:44 am
This has probably been thought of before, but I just thought of it now myself. It's probably fairly complicated to do, but I think it would be very much in-line with what DT is intended to do. It would make burrows actually USABLE!!!
Post by: Gentle Manne on October 02, 2010, 02:52:44 am
This is my first time using Dwarf Therapist and my fort is already pretty big so I'm finding it kind of daunting. Why does it say I have 138 dwarfs when I have 134? Are 4 dwarfs pregnant?
Post by: Morwaul on October 02, 2010, 10:23:06 am
Post by: Silophant on October 02, 2010, 11:19:08 am
Cheers, Engineers.
This is my first time using Dwarf Therapist and my fort is already pretty big so I'm finding it kind of daunting. Why does it say I have 138 dwarfs when I have 134? Are 4 dwarfs pregnant?
I believe, in previous versions, at least, snatched children wouldn't disappear from DT, because they aren't marked as dead. No idea if this has been fixed or not.
Post by: HammerHand on October 02, 2010, 12:33:03 pm
... Intently.
Post by: Gentle Manne on October 02, 2010, 08:34:57 pm
I believe, in previous versions, at least, snatched children wouldn't disappear from DT, because they aren't marked as dead. No idea if this has been fixed or not.
Yeah, that's probably what's happening.
Post by: LupusNoctis on October 03, 2010, 08:46:48 am
Working on getting the new addresses, here's what I have so far.
**EDIT** Aha! Used the creature_vector from 31.14, and managed to get dwarves read properly! Praise Armok!
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum = 0x4ca869ea
version_name = v0.31.15 (graphics)
complete = true
[addresses]
translation_vector = 0x0169b124
language_vector = 0x0169b104
creature_vector = 0x01656fe0
dwarf_race_index = 0x01483874
Everyone give this a shot, and let us all know how it goes!
Post by: Swadow on October 03, 2010, 09:55:59 am
Thank you so much for picking Therapist up. I wouldnt be able to learn assigning labors manually again.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on October 03, 2010, 11:32:59 am
Hey there folks! New version of DF was posted early this morning, October 3rd 2010.
Working on getting the new addresses, here's what I have so far.Seems like the creature_vector is the holdout again.
**EDIT** Aha! Used the creature_vector from 31.14, and managed to get dwarves read properly! Praise Armok!Code: [Select][info]
checksum = 0x4ca869ea
version_name = v0.31.15 (graphics)
complete = true
[addresses]
translation_vector = 0x0169b124
language_vector = 0x0169b104
creature_vector = 0x01656fe0
dwarf_race_index = 0x01483874
Everyone give this a shot, and let us all know how it goes!
New version posted. Looks like the only thing that changed was the checksums.
Post by: Romeofalling on October 03, 2010, 04:53:57 pm
Hey there folks! New version of DF was posted early this morning, October 3rd 2010.
Working on getting the new addresses, here's what I have so far.Seems like the creature_vector is the holdout again.
**EDIT** Aha! Used the creature_vector from 31.14, and managed to get dwarves read properly! Praise Armok!Code: [Select][info]
...
Everyone give this a shot, and let us all know how it goes!
New version posted. Looks like the only thing that changed was the checksums.
Everyone do what with the wherenow? And where is this new version?
Post by: DwarfEngineer on October 03, 2010, 05:18:15 pm
Everyone do what with the wherenow? And where is this new version?
Check the first post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.0) / downloads page for 0.6.3 which supports DF 35.15.
Also, a new Linux version of Dwarf Therapist 0.6.3 has been released (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/LinuxVersion) (for alpha testing)
If you just need Linux offsets, check here (http://pastebin.com/cebMRSRj).
Post by: Mover#005 on October 03, 2010, 06:33:42 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on October 03, 2010, 06:45:35 pm
I keep getting told that the file libQtScript.so.4 is missing (Linux version) it's also not in the archive, any hints which version I need?
That must be a new required library since the last release (quite some time ago.) Can you open a command window, cd to the dwarf therapist/bin directory, type "ldd DwarfTherapist" and post the results? I can make sure there are no other missing libraries and post a new archive.
Post by: Mover#005 on October 03, 2010, 06:51:54 pm
Code: [Select]
linux-gate.so.1 => (0xf7762000)
libQtScript.so.4 => /usr/lib32/qt4/libQtScript.so.4 (0xf74c4000)
libQtGui.so.4 => /usr/lib32/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 (0xf6ab2000)
libQtNetwork.so.4 => /usr/lib32/qt4/libQtNetwork.so.4 (0xf6990000)
libQtCore.so.4 => /usr/lib32/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 (0xf6720000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib32/libpthread.so.0 (0xf6707000)
libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.4/32/libstdc++.so.6 (0xf6610000)
libm.so.6 => /lib32/libm.so.6 (0xf65ea000)
libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib32/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf65cd000)
libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf6472000)
libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib32/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0xf638e000)
libpng14.so.14 => /usr/lib32/libpng14.so.14 (0xf6369000)
libz.so.1 => /lib32/libz.so.1 (0xf6356000)
libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libfreetype.so.6 (0xf62d0000)
libEGL.so.1 => /usr/lib32/libEGL.so.1 (0xf62c1000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libSM.so.6 (0xf62b8000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libICE.so.6 (0xf629f000)
libXrender.so.1 => /usr/lib32/libXrender.so.1 (0xf6295000)
libXrandr.so.2 => /usr/lib32/libXrandr.so.2 (0xf628d000)
libXinerama.so.1 => /usr/lib32/libXinerama.so.1 (0xf6288000)
libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib32/libfontconfig.so.1 (0xf6259000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libXext.so.6 (0xf624a000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libX11.so.6 (0xf612e000)
libgthread-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib32/libgthread-2.0.so.0 (0xf6129000)
librt.so.1 => /lib32/librt.so.1 (0xf6120000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib32/libdl.so.2 (0xf611b000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7746000)
libuuid.so.1 => /lib32/libuuid.so.1 (0xf6116000)
libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib32/libxcb.so.1 (0xf60fc000)
libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libXau.so.6 (0xf60f8000)
libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib32/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xf60f2000)
libexpat.so.1 => /usr/lib32/libexpat.so.1 (0xf60c9000)
Post by: DwarfEngineer on October 03, 2010, 07:06:29 pm
output of ldd:Code: [Select]snip
Try this version (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist_LINUX_ALPHA_R444.5.tgz) please.
Post by: Mover#005 on October 03, 2010, 07:16:46 pm
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./bin/DwarfTherapist: symbol lookup error: ./bin/DwarfTherapist: undefined symbol: _ZN9QHashData14detach_helper2EPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Eii
Post by: xrogaan on October 03, 2010, 07:28:22 pm
Post by: Fastler on October 03, 2010, 11:22:25 pm
doesn't work sadly, "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./bin/DwarfTherapist" gives me:Code: [Select]./bin/DwarfTherapist: symbol lookup error: ./bin/DwarfTherapist: undefined symbol: _ZN9QHashData14detach_helper2EPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Eii
I get the same error message when I try to run dt (The linux alpha that is). Down to the letter I think.
Post by: peregarrett on October 04, 2010, 03:47:06 am
Thanks!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on October 04, 2010, 08:16:00 am
Post by: Andir on October 04, 2010, 08:49:24 am
I'm working on installing VMWare server so I can try DT on other linux OSes.VirtualBox may be easier... Well, I think it is but YMMV.
Post by: schussel on October 04, 2010, 10:00:08 am
Post by: Keome on October 04, 2010, 10:04:20 am
[info]
checksum = 0x4ca9d544
version_name = v0.31.16 (graphics)
complete = false
[addresses]
translation_vector = 0x0169c114
language_vector = 0x0169c0f4
creature_vector = 0x01658030
dwarf_race_index = 0x01484814
Post by: Keome on October 04, 2010, 10:08:59 am
[info]
checksum = 0x4ca9d544
version_name = v0.31.16 (graphics)
complete = true
[addresses]
translation_vector = 0x0169c174
language_vector = 0x0169c154
creature_vector = 0x01658030
dwarf_race_index = 0x01484874
Post by: schussel on October 04, 2010, 10:17:13 am
edit: i mark myself as idiot .. one should start the right file after editing :) cheers bro and muchos dankos :)
Post by: DwarfEngineer on October 04, 2010, 10:20:18 am
Post by: NKDietrich on October 04, 2010, 10:20:54 am
Working on a new release, should have it before too long unless something major changed.
Awesome :)
Post by: Stopple on October 04, 2010, 10:28:10 am
Post by: DwarfEngineer on October 04, 2010, 10:56:57 am
Windows (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.4.zip)
Linux (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist_LINUX_ALPHA_R445.tgz)
If you just want the new memory layouts, you can get them for windows and linux here (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/memory_layouts_31.16.zip).
Edit: Added links for convenience.
Post by: VerdantSF on October 04, 2010, 08:55:38 pm
Post by: jfsh on October 04, 2010, 09:16:59 pm
Dwarf Therapist 0.6.4 has been released (support for 31.16 added)
Amazingly fast, thank you.
Random request: Can you put the version of DF supported in either the thread title or the first post? Would make it simpler to see if whatever version of DF is supported. :)
Post by: DwarfEngineer on October 04, 2010, 10:06:15 pm
Random request: Can you put the version of DF supported in either the thread title or the first post? Would make it simpler to see if whatever version of DF is supported. :)Will do.
Post by: gralcio on October 06, 2010, 06:45:18 am
Post by: Quietust on October 06, 2010, 01:06:48 pm
Version 0.6.4 shows "pikeman" skill for dwarves with lasher skill.
Sounds like this (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=281) bug; presumably, it was fixed for the next 0.5.x release but never made it into 0.6.x.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on October 06, 2010, 01:17:57 pm
Post by: Burning_Iceman on October 06, 2010, 01:38:14 pm
Post by: chmod on October 06, 2010, 02:09:47 pm
If it helps you any, it shows the correct skills in the tooltip but marks the wrong columns. Definately for Lasher, Bowman and Pikeman. Dunno about Bowyer or Thrower.Uh oh. That means the gridview that ships is broken. It won't be enough to just fix the game data ini file.
Post by: Quietust on October 06, 2010, 02:26:57 pm
If it helps you any, it shows the correct skills in the tooltip but marks the wrong columns. Definately for Lasher, Bowman and Pikeman. Dunno about Bowyer or Thrower.Uh oh. That means the gridview that ships is broken. It won't be enough to just fix the game data ini file.
Yes, I even noted as much in the bug report - "The columns in the "Military" view for Pikeman, Lasher, Bowman, and Blowgunner are likewise listing experience values for the wrong skills, and there is no "Thrower" column."
I ended up making a custom view for Military to fix the problem.
Post by: Masau on October 07, 2010, 09:02:49 pm
Second, I saw on the first page that the picture included some attributes (str, agil, toughness) under "happiness" in the dwarf details section, but they don't appear in mine, and I can't seem to find a setting to enable them. Is there something I have to do before I can view them with therapist?
Post by: Aklyon on October 07, 2010, 09:05:52 pm
Post by: Masau on October 07, 2010, 09:06:35 pm
Post by: guale on October 08, 2010, 01:27:23 am
Post by: DwarfEngineer on October 08, 2010, 05:58:32 pm
Post by: Alekiel on October 10, 2010, 04:41:03 pm
I'll keep looking into it and report. Running on Linux 31.16, Therapist 0.6.4.
Post by: FuzzyDoom on October 10, 2010, 06:04:05 pm
I'm having some weird annoying behavior with Therapist. It seems that whenever I use it, I get something corrupted and the game crashes after a while. If I save, it will crash during the saving process, so the save also gets corrupted. I'm trying to find out what exactly causes the crash right now. I think it has something to do with editing the "crafts" section, but I might be wrong.
I'll keep looking into it and report. Running on Linux 31.16, Therapist 0.6.4.
The save one is a known bug. Try it without Therapist and see what happens.
Post by: adouglas on October 10, 2010, 06:12:24 pm
Post by: Bersken on October 10, 2010, 10:09:31 pm
Anybody know how I get DF and DT talking to each other without having to use the old kernel?
Post by: peterix on October 10, 2010, 10:33:09 pm
The copy of DT I compiled myself works great for me under Linux kernel version 2.6.32-25 (generic, 32-bit, the copy in the Dwarf Therapist ALPHA_R445 package gives me a symbol lookup error when I start it up, but that's probably a different problem). Linux 2.6.35-22, on the other hand, won't allow DT to attach to DF. (I can re-run it once I reboot back into the newer kernel and post the log file.) I'm guessing it's probably a security feature of the newer kernel.
Anybody know how I get DF and DT talking to each other without having to use the old kernel?
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sudo sysctl -w kernel.randomize_va_space=0
Post by: Alekiel on October 11, 2010, 12:35:17 am
The save one is a known bug. Try it without Therapist and see what happens.
You mean not starting Therapist at all? Cause, yeah, if I don't use it, it doesn't crash. But if I use it, close it and save, it still crashes.
Post by: Bersken on October 11, 2010, 12:47:18 am
Code: [Select]sudo sysctl -w kernel.randomize_va_space=0
Durn... I thought I might have an answer already, but that didn't seem to work.
When I start DT (even after using the above command), or click the connect button from within DT, the line "ptrace attach: Operation not permitted" is printed to the terminal from which I start DT.
Here's the contents of the log file:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Does kind of look like that should've worked.
Like I said, it works if I boot to the 2.6.32 kernel, but I like having the hardware sensor compatibility of the new kernel.
So... is no one else having this issue?
Post by: peterix on October 11, 2010, 08:16:40 am
I'll assume you use Ubuntu 10.10 and their fail-patched kernels (from my point of view anyway).Code: [Select]sudo sysctl -w kernel.randomize_va_space=0
Durn... I thought I might have an answer already, but that didn't seem to work.
When I start DT (even after using the above command), or click the connect button from within DT, the line "ptrace attach: Operation not permitted" is printed to the terminal from which I start DT.
Here's the contents of the log file:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Does kind of look like that should've worked.
Like I said, it works if I boot to the 2.6.32 kernel, but I like having the hardware sensor compatibility of the new kernel.
So... is no one else having this issue?
Read this:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardening#ptrace%20Protection (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardening#ptrace%20Protection)
Same applies to DFHack of course, because the methods used are the same.
What a steaming pile of fail. Why?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Delduvat on October 12, 2010, 12:59:03 am
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sex = 0x00F8should be
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sex = 0x00FA
Post by: Bersken on October 12, 2010, 01:21:03 am
I'll assume you use Ubuntu 10.10 and their fail-patched kernels (from my point of view anyway).
Read this:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardening#ptrace%20Protection (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardening#ptrace%20Protection)
Same applies to DFHack of course, because the methods used are the same.
Right on the nose. (I mentioned having just upgraded to Ubu 10.10 in the subject of my first post on the subject, but then a while after posting the second, I realized... "I never read the subject on individual posts; why would anyone else?") Typing in "sudo sysctl -w kernel.yama.ptrace_scope=0" before starting Dwarf Therapist allows me attach DT to Dwarf Fortress (at the cost of leaving my running processes a bit more vulnerable, I guess).
(Hmmm... Maybe I ought to see how well DF and DT run on VirtualBox VM... Probably some posts on it somewhere in these forums.)
Post by: Shoku on October 16, 2010, 05:09:29 pm
Post by: SalmonGod on October 16, 2010, 08:12:01 pm
Post by: GJScarritt on October 18, 2010, 01:25:48 am
I'm not sure if you like hearing requests/suggestions, if not, please ignore completely.
Would it be possible to also have a sorting of dwarfs by age? Not really sure how practical or how much demand there is, but there are times when I'd love to know how many babies/kids I have (and how old they are). I'm currently more into long-term games (also I'm still learning, so Invasions are currently off). But as I learn more, I'll start delving into mega-projects (to learn the finer points of the higher-end things), so I'd be working within multi-generations.
Post by: rmunn on October 21, 2010, 05:56:45 am
The copy of DT I compiled myself works great for me under Linux kernel version 2.6.32-25 (generic, 32-bit, the copy in the Dwarf Therapist ALPHA_R445 package gives me a symbol lookup error when I start it up, but that's probably a different problem). Linux 2.6.35-22, on the other hand, won't allow DT to attach to DF. (I can re-run it once I reboot back into the newer kernel and post the log file.) I'm guessing it's probably a security feature of the newer kernel.
Anybody know how I get DF and DT talking to each other without having to use the old kernel?
It sounds like the ptrace_scope security feature that people upgrading to Ubuntu 10.10 are running into. This thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65326.0) has the details of how to turn it off. Summary:
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echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scopeThat'll make it work until the next time you reboot. To make a permanent change, edit the /etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf file in super-user mode (see the post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65326.0) if you don't know how to do that) and, search for the ptrace_scope value, and change it from 1 to 0. Save, and now the change will persist across reboots.
If this doesn't solve your problem, then post the error message you're getting and hopefully someone will be able to figure it out... but I think this should do it for you.
Post by: t-loria on October 23, 2010, 03:14:53 pm
I got DF (3.16) and DT (6.4)on my laptop(i3 win7 64bit)and there working perfectly.
However if i copy that dir to my other pc (amd x3 xp 32bit) that doesnt work :(
It keeps telling me it doesnt understand this version.
Downloading a fresh install didnt help. whats going on ?
Post by: bremarv on October 23, 2010, 06:06:41 pm
Post by: t-loria on October 24, 2010, 02:04:18 am
As fas as i can tell neither DT or DF actually "install anything". it just runs from wherever you copied it.
But also a brand new lazynewbpack doesnt work :(
Post by: ActnMoviHeroBoy on October 24, 2010, 12:38:32 pm
Post by: calrogman on October 26, 2010, 12:02:51 pm
Post by: LoSboccacc on November 10, 2010, 06:36:52 am
Post by: SandehBear on November 10, 2010, 02:07:15 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 11, 2010, 07:21:23 pm
Linux offsets are here for now (http://pastebin.com/sQDFMVeE). Experimenting with creating a debian package.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 11, 2010, 07:23:13 pm
does this version support the old 40d18? which is the more recent that support that df build?
See the supported versions (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/SupportedGameVersions?ts=1289521331&updated=SupportedGameVersions) wiki page. Should be 0.4.2.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 13, 2010, 02:26:33 am
I will do an official wiki page when a few people let me know that these work for them.
Add the appropriate line to your sources.list. See the Ubuntu Help Page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Third-Party Software Tab) if you need help.
Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) - deb http://dwarftherapist.com/apt lucid universe
Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) - deb http://dwarftherapist.com/apt maverick universe
Note: Because of the updated kernel, DwarfTherpist will prompt you if it needs root permissions in order to attach to Dwarf Fortress. If you are uncomfortable doing running DwarfTherapist as root, see the workaround above (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg1658031#msg1658031).
Post by: Rebirthocool on November 13, 2010, 07:23:47 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 13, 2010, 10:59:29 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The next version will include this fix.
Post by: nordak on November 14, 2010, 11:59:40 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 15, 2010, 12:53:02 am
Since you all have the know how, any way to get a Military Therapist utility? I'm looking for something that manages all of the aspects setting up squads. From individual equipment layout to quick alert setup.
I would like to add at least a certain amount of military aspects to DT. I've been working on reading squads tonight and have been able to find the squad vector, names, ids, and members. So hopefully we'll at least be able to group by squad for the next release of DT. Once I get a better handle on it, editing may become a possibility. Though I think it will be limited to moving dwarves between squads (recruiting and unrecruiting) for quite a while. The uniforms stuff seems fairly complex.
Post by: Viken on November 15, 2010, 02:36:57 am
Traps help, but it cannot stop a mass of goblins (or elves, for that matter) from coming over the horizon to butcher me. :'( So I'd be VERY VERY VERY bloody happy to see Dwarf Therapist make strides toward being able to offer a simple UI solution to the complexities of the DF Military. And I'm sure several of us would agree. ;D So here's my pre-plot THANK YOU!!! 8) 8) 8)
Post by: Imxset21 on November 15, 2010, 03:12:55 am
I luv you :3
Post by: SalmonGod on November 15, 2010, 03:25:15 am
Post by: MaXMC on November 15, 2010, 03:38:33 am
Every time I see the headline "Dwarf therapist" I read, "Dwarf The Rapist"... shouldn't the name be Dwarven therapist, that way it's grammatically wrong to say "dwarven the rapist"...
Post by: KingOfBudgies on November 15, 2010, 05:51:52 am
Post by: Andir on November 15, 2010, 08:55:33 am
Ok, I know this is only in my mind, but it's been bugging me for a really long time now... :-\Why should the world cater to your psychosis? ;D
Every time I see the headline "Dwarf therapist" I read, "Dwarf The Rapist"... shouldn't the name be Dwarven therapist, that way it's grammatically wrong to say "dwarven the rapist"...
Post by: Deon on November 15, 2010, 09:00:15 am
Post by: Quietust on November 15, 2010, 09:02:15 am
Post by: calrogman on November 15, 2010, 07:49:28 pm
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cp COPYRIGHT /path/dwarftherapist/debian/dwarftherapist/usr/share/doc/dwarftherapist/copyright; cp README /path/dwarftherapist/debian/dwarftherapist/usr/share/doc/dwarftherapist/README.Debian
cp: cannot stat `COPYRIGHT': No such file or directory
cp: cannot stat `README': No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [install_doc] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/path/dwarftherapist'
make: *** [install] Error 2
dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2Also worth noting that Dwarf Therapist doesn't need gksu on Debian Sid as Debian hasn't implemented ptrace hardening.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 15, 2010, 08:00:47 pm
Debian package doesn't build on Debian Sid:Code: [Select]cp COPYRIGHT /path/dwarftherapist/debian/dwarftherapist/usr/share/doc/dwarftherapist/copyright; cp README /path/dwarftherapist/debian/dwarftherapist/usr/share/doc/dwarftherapist/README.Debian
cp: cannot stat `COPYRIGHT': No such file or directory
cp: cannot stat `README': No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [install_doc] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/path/dwarftherapist'
make: *** [install] Error 2
dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2
Also worth noting that Dwarf Therapist doesn't need gksu on Debian Sid as Debian hasn't implemented ptrace hardening.
Are you building the package from source, or just repackaging for debian?
As far as gksu, the script that launches DT checks for the ptrace hardening before launching with gksu, so if it's not enabled, it should run as a normal user.
Post by: Quietust on November 15, 2010, 08:17:38 pm
I've been running 0.6.5, and a few of the offsets are wrong - for example, dwarves are all listed as "No Job" because the job offset is off by a few bytes. I've fixed most of them in my own copy, but I don't have access to it at the moment (said copy is at home, and I'm at work) - I'll post the corrections later today.
Okay, so here's the details:
The offset for "birth_year" should be 0x0224, not 0x0298.
I'm pretty sure "physical_attributes" should be 0x03C4, not 0x046C.
Likewise, the offset for "likes" looks like it should be 0x079C, not 0x07AC.
Disregard the bit about labors - I had originally updated the .ini myself and hadn't fixed that offset.
Post by: calrogman on November 15, 2010, 08:34:25 pm
Are you building the package from source, or just repackaging for debian?
As far as gksu, the script that launches DT checks for the ptrace hardening before launching with gksu, so if it's not enabled, it should run as a normal user.
I'm trying to package for Debian, for personal use, I'm not a maintainer. Frankly, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm by no means a developer, but I write a mean Hello World. In Ruby :'(
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 15, 2010, 10:12:51 pm
Are you building the package from source, or just repackaging for debian?
As far as gksu, the script that launches DT checks for the ptrace hardening before launching with gksu, so if it's not enabled, it should run as a normal user.
I'm trying to package for Debian, for personal use, I'm not a maintainer. Frankly, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm by no means a developer, but I write a mean Hello World. In Ruby :'(
Try adding this repository:
deb http://dwarftherapist.com/apt sid universe
We'll see if my package building strategy is going to work for multiple distros :)
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 15, 2010, 10:14:34 pm
I just added the Lucid Dwarf Therapist repository to my source list, but nothing shows up when I refresh the Update Manager. Has anyone else had this problem?
Are you using 64-bit OS by any chance?
if not, try doing the following:
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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install dwarftherapist
If that doesn't work, please send me the output in a PM.
Post by: Shades on November 16, 2010, 04:11:50 am
Are you using 64-bit OS by any chance?
Is the repos only have a 32-bit install then?
Post by: calrogman on November 16, 2010, 06:38:16 am
Try adding this repository:
deb http://dwarftherapist.com/apt sid universe
We'll see if my package building strategy is going to work for multiple distros :)
Works flawlessly, although the incomplete 0.31.17 .ini is a bit of a pain and aptitude was quite insistent that I don't touch your repo with a barge pole.
Spoiler: OH GOD EVERYBODY PANIC (click to show/hide)
Post by: forsaken1111 on November 16, 2010, 06:40:20 am
Post by: Andir on November 16, 2010, 07:44:28 am
Post by: calrogman on November 16, 2010, 07:49:56 am
As sensationalist as it sounds... it is kind of like giving the app seriously_screw_up_your_system_Windows_like_access, so it's not to be taken lightly. ;)
The package could have literally anything in the postinst/prerm scripts, both of which are run as root, so it isn't really sensationalist at all.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 16, 2010, 08:37:42 am
As sensationalist as it sounds... it is kind of like giving the app seriously_screw_up_your_system_Windows_like_access, so it's not to be taken lightly. ;)
The package could have literally anything in the postinst/prerm scripts, both of which are run as root, so it isn't really sensationalist at all.
True. Now that I have confirmation that the packaging system seems to work for the most part, I'll look into signing them. Thanks for testing! And if there are any other requests for packages for debian based OSes, let me know; It's pretty easy for me to add them if they're mainstream.
Post by: Andir on November 16, 2010, 09:02:48 am
Am also curious on this.Are you using 64-bit OS by any chance?Is the repos only have a 32-bit install then?
Yeah... that's what I said...As sensationalist as it sounds... it is kind of like giving the app seriously_screw_up_your_system_Windows_like_access, so it's not to be taken lightly. ;)
The package could have literally anything in the postinst/prerm scripts, both of which are run as root, so it isn't really sensationalist at all.
Post by: calrogman on November 16, 2010, 09:08:50 am
Yeah... that's what I said...Yeah... That's what I agreed to...
E: Also, it's probably a good idea to cut gksu out of the dependencies for everything except Ubuntu and add kdesudo and sux as alternatives for those using Kubuntu, Lubuntu, etc.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 16, 2010, 09:10:24 am
Is the repos only have a 32-bit install then?Am also curious on this.
At the moment yes. I need to re-install ubuntu to 64-bit in order to start work on the 64-bit packages. I plan on doing it soon, but no guarantee as to when I'll have a working package for 64-bit OSes.
Post by: Andir on November 16, 2010, 09:55:32 am
Post by: Devstorm on November 16, 2010, 10:21:53 am
Post by: calrogman on November 16, 2010, 10:32:56 am
Is there a version of Therapist in the works/done for DF 0.31.18?I expected it to take longer for this to be asked. New memory layouts are always in the works. No exceptions.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 16, 2010, 10:35:24 am
Is there a version of Therapist in the works/done for DF 0.31.18?
Yes there is, and it has support for sorting by squad!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Devstorm on November 16, 2010, 11:38:49 am
Is there a version of Therapist in the works/done for DF 0.31.18?
Yes there is, and it has support for sorting by squad!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hot. Can't wait to see it in action. When do you expect it to be available for download?
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 16, 2010, 11:41:44 am
Changelog:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: nordak on November 16, 2010, 12:38:25 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 16, 2010, 12:42:26 pm
Any plans to support military? Such as a uniform and schedule editor?I would love to, but it will be one step at a time. Just getting squad names for dwarves took quite a bit of effort.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 16, 2010, 02:20:48 pm
Just posted the new version of Dwarf Therapist 0.6.6 for Windows. Linux packages to follow shortly.
Changelog:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The linux package repositories have also been updated, you can get the new version by running:
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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
Post by: vadia on November 16, 2010, 03:02:01 pm
Post by: FuzzyDoom on November 16, 2010, 05:11:31 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on November 16, 2010, 06:39:26 pm
Yes but when it's a known source and known application, it can be construed as severe overreaction on the computer's part and, thus, amusing.As sensationalist as it sounds... it is kind of like giving the app seriously_screw_up_your_system_Windows_like_access, so it's not to be taken lightly. ;)
The package could have literally anything in the postinst/prerm scripts, both of which are run as root, so it isn't really sensationalist at all.
Using that logic, one could freak out over ANYTHING because any unopened package, or even entirely enclosed body like a toy truck, could have a bomb or other deadly implement in it.
This is like buying a toy at wal-mart, handing it to a friend, and he freaks the hell out screaming that it could be a bomb.
Post by: bremarv on November 16, 2010, 07:02:55 pm
Getting a new computer soon, and I'm going to run Fedora on it. Any chance I can get this on Fedora, or will I just have to run it through Wine?
you could just compile it yourself. works fine for me under arch linux.
Post by: Tatterdemalian on November 16, 2010, 11:29:33 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 16, 2010, 11:34:21 pm
Just downloaded and ran Dwarf Therapist... and just got a weird bug, where some of my dwarves aren't showing up. My fort has 49 dwarves, but DT will only display 48 or 47, and every time I close it and run it again, different dwarves are missing from the list. I imported my save file from 31.17, maybe that's the problem?I think it may be that the flag for haunting spirits is off. Check your run.log, if it mentions ignoring a dwarf because it appears to be a haunting spirit, change this in your memory layout:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ghosts will show up, but at least you'll have all of your live dwarfs. I haven't killed enough dwarves off to have reliably determined what the flag for ghost is. Guess I was off :)
Post by: Tatterdemalian on November 16, 2010, 11:46:34 pm
Just downloaded and ran Dwarf Therapist... and just got a weird bug, where some of my dwarves aren't showing up. My fort has 49 dwarves, but DT will only display 48 or 47, and every time I close it and run it again, different dwarves are missing from the list. I imported my save file from 31.17, maybe that's the problem?I think it may be that the flag for haunting spirits is off. Check your run.log, if it mentions ignoring a dwarf because it appears to be a haunting spirit, change this in your memory layout:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ghosts will show up, but at least you'll have all of your live dwarfs. I haven't killed enough dwarves off to have reliably determined what the flag for ghost is. Guess I was off :)
Just checked my run.log, and sure enough they were being ignored as "haunting spirits." Unfortunately, after applying your fix, it continues to ignore live dwarves as if they're ghosts.
2010-Nov-16 22:40:20.076 DEBUG core dwarf race: "0x000000c8" [..\dwarftherapist\src\dfinstance.cpp:284] (load_dwarves)
2010-Nov-16 22:40:20.089 DEBUG core Ignoring "Såkzul Bomrekzefon" who appears to be "a haunting spirit" [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarf.cpp:490] (get_dwarf)
2010-Nov-16 22:40:20.186 DEBUG core Ignoring "Vabôk Litastmidor" who appears to be "a haunting spirit" [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarf.cpp:490] (get_dwarf)
Would setting it to 0x00000000 disable the haunt check completely, or would it break something? I'm not sure how the ini file is read.
Post by: Tatterdemalian on November 16, 2010, 11:49:38 pm
Post by: Deon on November 17, 2010, 02:54:31 am
P.S. It shows ghosts too...
Post by: Kipi on November 17, 2010, 06:29:10 am
Don't know how to fix that, but hopefully it helps.
EDIT:
Noticed that, at least for me, changing the flag to 0x00001000 does help, but if I set the flag to 0x00000000 DT can not connect to the game. Just FYI if you don't get the second one working...
Post by: Deon on November 17, 2010, 06:43:02 am
Post by: se5a on November 17, 2010, 01:37:47 pm
Also, with the list by squad, most of the squads in therapist are showing less than what's actually in the squad, thought it might be the above problem, till I noticed a dwarf under the "no squad" who was in a squad...
Post by: Boldwyn on November 17, 2010, 01:46:05 pm
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.147 DEBUG core Connection to DF version "v0.31.18 (graphics)" established. [..\dwarftherapist\src\mainwindow.cpp:261] (connect_to_df)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.147 DEBUG core Loading language translation tables [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:318] (load_game_translation_tables)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.147 DEBUG core Loading generic strings from 1e4551c [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:332] (load_game_translation_tables)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.151 DEBUG core generic words 2107 [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:334] (load_game_translation_tables)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.338 DEBUG core FOUND LANG ENTRY 814f0e8 "DWARF" [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:346] (load_game_translation_tables)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.339 DEBUG core FOUND LANG ENTRY 814f1f0 "ELF" [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:346] (load_game_translation_tables)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.339 DEBUG core FOUND LANG ENTRY 814f248 "GOBLIN" [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:346] (load_game_translation_tables)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.339 DEBUG core FOUND LANG ENTRY 814f2a0 "HUMAN" [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:346] (load_game_translation_tables)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.339 DEBUG core Loading dwarf strings from 814f120 [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:351] (load_game_translation_tables)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.343 DEBUG core dwarf words 2107 [..\dwarftherapist\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:353] (load_game_translation_tables)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.376 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 428 rejected 164 total 592 [..\dwarftherapist\src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:354] (map_virtual_memory)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.376 DEBUG core loading creatures from "0x01e012c0" "0x016a12c0" (UNCORRECTED) [..\dwarftherapist\src\dfinstance.cpp:275] (load_dwarves)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.376 DEBUG core dwarf race index "0x01c2daf0" "0x014cdaf0" (UNCORRECTED) [..\dwarftherapist\src\dfinstance.cpp:277] (load_dwarves)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.390 DEBUG core dwarf race: "0x000000c8" [..\dwarftherapist\src\dfinstance.cpp:284] (load_dwarves)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.439 INFO core found 7 dwarves out of 41 creatures [..\dwarftherapist\src\dfinstance.cpp:308] (load_dwarves)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.439 DEBUG core loading squads from "0x01e3f52c" "0x016df52c" (UNCORRECTED) [..\dwarftherapist\src\dfinstance.cpp:335] (load_squads)
2010-lis-17 19:44:40.440 INFO core Found 0 squads out of 0 [..\dwarftherapist\src\dfinstance.cpp:360] (load_squads)
Post by: Buttons on November 17, 2010, 10:06:24 pm
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.780 INFO core Loaded 4 views from disk [src/viewmanager.cpp:126] (reload_views)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.797 DEBUG core "redrew views in 16ms" [src/viewmanager.cpp:158] (draw_views)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.799 DEBUG core setting up connections for MainWindow [src/mainwindow.cpp:115] (MainWindow)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.800 DEBUG core group_by now set to 0 [src/models/dwarfmodel.cpp:435] (set_group_by)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.800 DEBUG core beginning to read settings [src/dwarftherapist.cpp:122] (read_settings)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.800 DEBUG core finished reading settings [src/dwarftherapist.cpp:168] (read_settings)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.874 DEBUG core attempting connection to running DF game [src/mainwindow.cpp:224] (connect_to_df)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.877 ERROR core No valid memory layouts found in the following directories... () [src/dfinstance.cpp:98] (DFInstance)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.907 DEBUG core base_addr: 134531376 HEX 804c930 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:317] (find_running_copy)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.946 DEBUG core DF's checksum is "0x884f794d" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:321] (find_running_copy)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.946 DEBUG core DF's checksum is: "0x884f794d" [src/dfinstance.cpp:636] (get_memory_layout)
2010-Nov-17 20:05:53.983 ERROR core "unable to identify version from checksum:" "0x884f794d" [src/dfinstance.cpp:672] (get_memory_layout)
Post by: deprae on November 18, 2010, 05:02:24 pm
Post by: calrogman on November 18, 2010, 05:30:31 pm
Hi, I am new to both Ubuntu (10.10) and Dwarf Fortress (31.18). When I click on the link on http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/LinuxVersion for the Maverick version of Dwarf Therapist, it takes me to a 403 Forbidden page. What am I doing wrong?
Open up System -> Administration -> Software Sources, enter your password into the box that pops up, switch to the "Other Software" tab and hit the "Add..." button. Copy the line below and paste it in to the "Apt line" box.
Code: [Select]
deb http://dwarftherapist.com/apt maverick universeHit the "Add Source" button. Close the window and open up Synaptic, hit the "Reload" button then do a search for dwarftherapist. Mark it off for installation and hit "Apply". Once it's done, you'll have a Dwarf Therapist icon in Applications -> Accessories.
Post by: James.Denholm on November 19, 2010, 01:07:45 am
Also - Linux, hells yeah.
Post by: deprae on November 19, 2010, 02:22:25 am
Also, mad props to the programmer of Therapist. I appreciate the access to small-F fun this opens up. I was getting frustrated at half of my dwarves just sitting around, preparing to be nobles.
Post by: vrga on November 19, 2010, 08:06:43 am
Post by: schussel on November 19, 2010, 02:02:58 pm
its kinda disturbing to see them vanish in the panels each time they are breaking :) and annoying
Post by: MonkeyHead on November 20, 2010, 12:41:57 pm
EDIT: oh, and also only being told i have 6 dorfs, when it is embark and i can clearly count 7.
EDIT 2: ah, no problem. changing the offset for haunting spirits worked, and now all 7 exist and they have full names again.
Post by: Buttons on November 20, 2010, 03:56:48 pm
Whenever I commit a change from Dwarf Therapist the next time the game attempts to save it seg faults. I'm on Linux and compiled DT myself. It works flawlessly except for this. The changes I make to professions do take effect in the game, but it renders the game unsavable from that time forward it seems.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 20, 2010, 04:40:08 pm
Where might I begin troubleshooting this issue?
Whenever I commit a change from Dwarf Therapist the next time the game attempts to save it seg faults. I'm on Linux and compiled DT myself. It works flawlessly except for this. The changes I make to professions do take effect in the game, but it renders the game unsavable from that time forward it seems.
I'm guessing you're setting labors that require an equipment check? For example mining or wood cutting. I haven't verified the "check equipment" offset in linux, so that could be causing the problem. Try setting labors that don't require an equipment change and saving.
Post by: Alekiel on November 20, 2010, 06:07:54 pm
I'm on Ubuntu 10.10, but I'm on a 64bit machine. Also compiled the program from the source.
Post by: Buttons on November 20, 2010, 06:32:56 pm
Hey. I have the same problem as him; the game crashes during save time if I use the rapist. I tried several jobs as you suggested, but it crashes with all.
I'm on Ubuntu 10.10, but I'm on a 64bit machine. Also compiled the program from the source.
Yes, we do have the same problem. I'm also on 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10, and again, I compiled from source. The only job I set was architecture so one of my dwarfs would design the well I wanted.
Post by: bremarv on November 20, 2010, 06:39:28 pm
Post by: Alekiel on November 20, 2010, 08:34:01 pm
I don't have any problems changing jobs and saving. I have compiled from source and is running 32 bit arch linux.
Then maybe the issue is the fact that we are using a 64 bit software on a 32 bit software?
Post by: bremarv on November 20, 2010, 09:44:29 pm
I don't have any problems changing jobs and saving. I have compiled from source and is running 32 bit arch linux.
Then maybe the issue is the fact that we are using a 64 bit software on a 32 bit software?
I have also removed the haunting spirit flag from the memory layout file to fix dissapearing dwarfs, not sure if it makes a difference.
Also when did you make your build? I downloaded the source after the post about windows version and before the linux version, maybe something changed.
Post by: peterix on November 20, 2010, 11:24:00 pm
Post by: Alekiel on November 21, 2010, 05:27:09 pm
Post by: Burning_Iceman on November 21, 2010, 05:34:16 pm
Possibly it's a problem with old forts in newer versions of DF.
I suggest everyone who has this problem try it on a fresh fort and report their findings.
Post by: Mitchman on November 21, 2010, 05:54:16 pm
Thanks if you can help :)
Post by: RadPanda on November 21, 2010, 11:05:31 pm
It can read a dwarf's traits, but only the ones that are useless! Agility, strength, endurance, recuperation, toughness, kinesthetic sense, spatial sense, willpower, etc. are not listed
Makes my OCD sad.
Post by: LoSboccacc on November 22, 2010, 04:32:14 am
So is a Mac version being created... and if not, can I find a way to *cheat* by using this on my Mac?
Thanks if you can help :)
winebottler + windows dwarf fortress + dwarf therapist (that's what I use)
Post by: Stormrage on November 22, 2010, 06:29:53 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, this is based on what was seen in Adventure Mode.
Post by: LoSboccacc on November 22, 2010, 06:31:55 am
Post by: Ladde on November 22, 2010, 06:06:17 pm
Is anyone looking in to this?
I wish I could, but I have no knowledge of coding etc.
Its about missing dwarfs.
Post by: Alekiel on November 22, 2010, 07:02:59 pm
Post by: Ladde on November 22, 2010, 07:14:16 pm
Still I only have 75 Dwarfs on Therapist, but in the game my population is 76, what else is not in Therapist?
Could it be a kidnapped baby? Thats all I can make out from the run.log.
Post by: forsaken1111 on November 22, 2010, 07:19:20 pm
Hmm, thanks alot.Yeah I'm pretty sure snatched babies won't show up
Still I only have 75 Dwarfs on Therapist, but in the game my population is 76, what else is not in Therapist?
Could it be a kidnapped baby? Thats all I can make out from the run.log.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 22, 2010, 07:19:49 pm
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=305I'm looking into the actual flag for haunting spirits. I've currently cut off my fort from water; looking for creative ways to kill off some dwarves. For SCIENCE!
Is anyone looking in to this?
I wish I could, but I have no knowledge of coding etc.
Its about missing dwarfs.
Post by: Ladde on November 22, 2010, 07:22:31 pm
Yea but would snatched babies still show up on the z menu at population?Hmm, thanks alot.Yeah I'm pretty sure snatched babies won't show up
Still I only have 75 Dwarfs on Therapist, but in the game my population is 76, what else is not in Therapist?
Could it be a kidnapped baby? Thats all I can make out from the run.log.
Post by: Alekiel on November 22, 2010, 07:26:02 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 23, 2010, 12:34:22 am
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=305I'm looking into the actual flag for haunting spirits. I've currently cut off my fort from water; looking for creative ways to kill off some dwarves. For SCIENCE!
Is anyone looking in to this?
I wish I could, but I have no knowledge of coding etc.
Its about missing dwarfs.
Ok, so a few of my dwarves have had unfortunate "accidents" and have come back haunting. I think I found the fix for this issue, but unfortunately it requires a code change. I'll try to get a new version out this week. Hopefully after Thanksgiving I'll have time to upgrade my OS to 64-bit and work on some of those issues and a 64-bit repository as well. ANeumann0815 posted a patch that I think will work, but I need to do some testing with it on 32/64 bit linux before releasing it.
Post by: vrga on November 23, 2010, 06:18:22 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on November 23, 2010, 06:26:40 am
a moment, before you rush into 64-bit mode hell, can a 64-bit app even access memory of a 32-bit app that DF is by itself?I'm running 64 bit and it works fine. I've had a 64 bit system for years without trouble.
Post by: vrga on November 23, 2010, 07:21:45 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on November 23, 2010, 07:26:25 am
this is not about a 64-bit OS running 32-bit apps. its about a 64-bit app accessing and modifying a 32-bit app's memory space dammit.I use therapist and several other DF memory modifying applications on my 64 bit system.
Post by: FuzzyDoom on November 23, 2010, 07:58:58 am
Post by: Andir on November 23, 2010, 09:03:09 am
this is not about a 64-bit OS running 32-bit apps. its about a 64-bit app accessing and modifying a 32-bit app's memory space dammit.It doesn't matter. DT looks in the memory for specific lengths at specific addresses. The 32-bit app modifies the memory it's given based on it's 32-bit programming. Moving up to a 64-bit OS has no bearing on those two specific variables except that it can address a higher number of these. Running a 32-bit app on 64-bit has no real downside.
Think of it like this:
Program A (32-bit) is given 1GB of RAM to run in. It begins by putting ab 8 byte value at position 512 and a 16 byte value right after it at 520.
Program B (64-bit) is given the address of Program A's allocated storage and with the given offsets and lengths of the two variables listed above. (512+8 and 520+16) It doesn't matter whether the host is 64-bit or 32-bit. They will both be given the same information and modifying that memory will yield the same results.
This is what the memory layout ini file does. It tells DT where to look in the memory for specific values and while it does store the size of those values internally, the programmers know that they are dealing with a 32-bit program so they are likely not going to be using 64-bit variable types.
Post by: glopso on November 23, 2010, 01:05:56 pm
Post by: Andir on November 23, 2010, 01:13:33 pm
Post by: LoSboccacc on November 23, 2010, 01:16:10 pm
I know that LOL can be interpreted as "Laughing Out Loud" or "Lots Of Laughs," but can someone explain to me what "OLOLOLOL" means?
it's 70707070 backward, duh.
Post by: SquidgyB on November 23, 2010, 02:34:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Stormrage on November 23, 2010, 03:17:16 pm
Which is actually 14913080 in the octal base.I know that LOL can be interpreted as "Laughing Out Loud" or "Lots Of Laughs," but can someone explain to me what "OLOLOLOL" means?
it's 70707070 backward, duh.
Now, if we split it into double digits we get 14 91 30 80.
If we use base 26 modulus we get the following: 14 13 4 1. Now we transform (0-25->1-26): 15 14 5 2 and what we get is ONEC. As 70707070 is the rotated OLOLOLOL, we have to rotate it back and we receive CENO. It is a known fact that "cēnō" is "I dine" in Latin. Which only leaves one choice: glopso is a rapist cannibal bent on world domination.
MYSTERY SOLVED
Post by: Alekiel on November 23, 2010, 03:41:28 pm
Post by: profit on November 23, 2010, 07:32:33 pm
Sometimes I wonder if its the game or these forums that are crazier.Define crazy....
Post by: Firnagzen on November 24, 2010, 08:30:44 am
Which is actually 14913080 in the octal base.I know that LOL can be interpreted as "Laughing Out Loud" or "Lots Of Laughs," but can someone explain to me what "OLOLOLOL" means?
it's 70707070 backward, duh.
Now, if we split it into double digits we get 14 91 30 80.
If we use base 26 modulus we get the following: 14 13 4 1. Now we transform (0-25->1-26): 15 14 5 2 and what we get is ONEC. As 70707070 is the rotated OLOLOLOL, we have to rotate it back and we receive CENO. It is a known fact that "cēnō" is "I dine" in Latin. Which only leaves one choice: glopso is a rapist cannibal bent on world domination.
MYSTERY SOLVED
... I have to know. How long did that take to work out?
Post by: Stormrage on November 24, 2010, 10:13:12 am
Which is actually 14913080 in the octal base.I know that LOL can be interpreted as "Laughing Out Loud" or "Lots Of Laughs," but can someone explain to me what "OLOLOLOL" means?
it's 70707070 backward, duh.
Now, if we split it into double digits we get 14 91 30 80.
If we use base 26 modulus we get the following: 14 13 4 1. Now we transform (0-25->1-26): 15 14 5 2 and what we get is ONEC. As 70707070 is the rotated OLOLOLOL, we have to rotate it back and we receive CENO. It is a known fact that "cēnō" is "I dine" in Latin. Which only leaves one choice: glopso is a rapist cannibal bent on world domination.
MYSTERY SOLVED
... I have to know. How long did that take to work out?
t=87.971928[sec]±7E-6[sec]
Post by: Diverso on November 24, 2010, 12:46:12 pm
Post by: Smew on November 24, 2010, 02:14:55 pm
Hello there, i have a lil' issue with the program: it does not load all the dorfs. I push The "read dwarfs button" it shows me only 2 dwarfs, i push it again and again and the quantity of shown dorfs is allways different. I never managed to make it show all 7 starting dorfs. All this started at .18 version. Any ideas how to fix that? Therapist version 0.6.6.Yeah, the more I'm using DT with this version the more broken it seems, missing dwarves, some dwarves can't be assigned labors, etc etc.
Hopefully once everybody figures out all these new offsets the bugs will start getting fixed.
Post by: noppa354 on November 24, 2010, 02:52:26 pm
erm... math nerd conspiracy theorist-ish person?Which is actually 14913080 in the octal base.I know that LOL can be interpreted as "Laughing Out Loud" or "Lots Of Laughs," but can someone explain to me what "OLOLOLOL" means?
it's 70707070 backward, duh.
Now, if we split it into double digits we get 14 91 30 80.
If we use base 26 modulus we get the following: 14 13 4 1. Now we transform (0-25->1-26): 15 14 5 2 and what we get is ONEC. As 70707070 is the rotated OLOLOLOL, we have to rotate it back and we receive CENO. It is a known fact that "cēnō" is "I dine" in Latin. Which only leaves one choice: glopso is a rapist cannibal bent on world domination.
MYSTERY SOLVED
... I have to know. How long did that take to work out?
t=87.971928[sec]±7E-6[sec]
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 24, 2010, 04:29:44 pm
Post by: UnrealJake on November 24, 2010, 05:28:22 pm
Other than that, it seems fine. And it's really helping me out with knowing who's best for what. I was dismayed when I came back to DF and DT wasn't updated, so cheers! AND WORK FASTER *WHIP*
Post by: Buttons on November 24, 2010, 08:19:15 pm
Just put up a 0.6.7 windows version (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.7.zip). This should fix the ghosts/haunting spirit issue. I'm going to wait for a few people to test before I make this the official release next week.
Might this fix the problem with Linux and the game crashing on save after DT changes have been commited?
Post by: DwarfEngineer on November 24, 2010, 10:57:38 pm
Just put up a 0.6.7 windows version (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.7.zip). This should fix the ghosts/haunting spirit issue. I'm going to wait for a few people to test before I make this the official release next week.
Might this fix the problem with Linux and the game crashing on save after DT changes have been commited?
The code with that fix is checked in, so if you rebuild from the latest source there's a better chance it will work. I haven't tested it and won't get a chance to make debian packages until next week.
Post by: Stormrage on November 25, 2010, 04:09:53 am
erm... math nerd conspiracy theorist-ish person?Which is actually 14913080 in the octal base.I know that LOL can be interpreted as "Laughing Out Loud" or "Lots Of Laughs," but can someone explain to me what "OLOLOLOL" means?
it's 70707070 backward, duh.
Now, if we split it into double digits we get 14 91 30 80.
If we use base 26 modulus we get the following: 14 13 4 1. Now we transform (0-25->1-26): 15 14 5 2 and what we get is ONEC. As 70707070 is the rotated OLOLOLOL, we have to rotate it back and we receive CENO. It is a known fact that "cēnō" is "I dine" in Latin. Which only leaves one choice: glopso is a rapist cannibal bent on world domination.
MYSTERY SOLVED
... I have to know. How long did that take to work out?
t=87.971928[sec]±7E-6[sec]
Please, the ± sign should indicate I'm just a physics student who recently finished reading Cryptonomicon. It's pretty clear from where I stand!
Post by: LoSboccacc on November 25, 2010, 04:13:55 am
erm... math nerd conspiracy theorist-ish person?Which is actually 14913080 in the octal base.I know that LOL can be interpreted as "Laughing Out Loud" or "Lots Of Laughs," but can someone explain to me what "OLOLOLOL" means?
it's 70707070 backward, duh.
Now, if we split it into double digits we get 14 91 30 80.
If we use base 26 modulus we get the following: 14 13 4 1. Now we transform (0-25->1-26): 15 14 5 2 and what we get is ONEC. As 70707070 is the rotated OLOLOLOL, we have to rotate it back and we receive CENO. It is a known fact that "cēnō" is "I dine" in Latin. Which only leaves one choice: glopso is a rapist cannibal bent on world domination.
MYSTERY SOLVED
... I have to know. How long did that take to work out?
t=87.971928[sec]±7E-6[sec]
Please, the ± sign should indicate I'm just a physics student who recently finished reading Cryptonomicon. It's pretty clear from where I stand!
I was leaning toward math myself due the use of a non SI approved time unit. There are not the good physics students of the olds, I guess.
Post by: Stormrage on November 25, 2010, 06:50:20 am
erm... math nerd conspiracy theorist-ish person?Which is actually 14913080 in the octal base.I know that LOL can be interpreted as "Laughing Out Loud" or "Lots Of Laughs," but can someone explain to me what "OLOLOLOL" means?
it's 70707070 backward, duh.
Now, if we split it into double digits we get 14 91 30 80.
If we use base 26 modulus we get the following: 14 13 4 1. Now we transform (0-25->1-26): 15 14 5 2 and what we get is ONEC. As 70707070 is the rotated OLOLOLOL, we have to rotate it back and we receive CENO. It is a known fact that "cēnō" is "I dine" in Latin. Which only leaves one choice: glopso is a rapist cannibal bent on world domination.
MYSTERY SOLVED
... I have to know. How long did that take to work out?
t=87.971928[sec]±7E-6[sec]
Please, the ± sign should indicate I'm just a physics student who recently finished reading Cryptonomicon. It's pretty clear from where I stand!
I was leaning toward math myself due the use of a non SI approved time unit. There are not the good physics students of the olds, I guess.
I'll admit I have a scar of the cgs way, but since when are seconds not SI approved?
Post by: LoSboccacc on November 25, 2010, 06:59:41 am
erm... math nerd conspiracy theorist-ish person?Which is actually 14913080 in the octal base.I know that LOL can be interpreted as "Laughing Out Loud" or "Lots Of Laughs," but can someone explain to me what "OLOLOLOL" means?
it's 70707070 backward, duh.
Now, if we split it into double digits we get 14 91 30 80.
If we use base 26 modulus we get the following: 14 13 4 1. Now we transform (0-25->1-26): 15 14 5 2 and what we get is ONEC. As 70707070 is the rotated OLOLOLOL, we have to rotate it back and we receive CENO. It is a known fact that "cēnō" is "I dine" in Latin. Which only leaves one choice: glopso is a rapist cannibal bent on world domination.
MYSTERY SOLVED
... I have to know. How long did that take to work out?
t=87.971928[sec]±7E-6[sec]
Please, the ± sign should indicate I'm just a physics student who recently finished reading Cryptonomicon. It's pretty clear from where I stand!
I was leaning toward math myself due the use of a non SI approved time unit. There are not the good physics students of the olds, I guess.
I'll admit I have a scar of the cgs way, but since when are seconds not SI approved?
s is SI approved. sec it is not.
Post by: Shades on November 25, 2010, 07:14:40 am
Post by: Stormrage on November 25, 2010, 07:34:31 am
Here, we don't pay attention to such details, especially the difference between s and sec. And brackets denote units, don't they?
Post by: Shades on November 25, 2010, 07:48:28 am
Post by: LoSboccacc on November 25, 2010, 08:22:47 am
USA have not adopted it, but I guess they use it anyway. Or at least they pay attention after the mars climate orbiter incident.
btw, I've seen brackets used for units, but when in dimensional analysis to disambiguate letters, not during printouts.
Post by: Dragonchampion on November 26, 2010, 02:35:33 pm
The only change I have made is make my dwarves have Speed:1 tag...
Post by: Smew on November 27, 2010, 03:30:04 pm
I have a bug where only 3 of my dwarves are showing up after I open it after embarking...Did you download the latest version, which was made available on the previous page?
The only change I have made is make my dwarves have Speed:1 tag...
Post by: crappypappy on November 27, 2010, 10:38:42 pm
Post by: Ascaronth on November 28, 2010, 08:01:57 pm
Post by: alpha on November 28, 2010, 09:41:44 pm
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./bin/DwarfTherapist: symbol lookup error: ./bin/DwarfTherapist: undefined symbol: _ZN9QHashData14detach_helper2EPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Eii
I have qt core libs v.4.6.3 installed.
Any help to fix this, please?
EDIT:
Got it working by manually compiling the source. Alas, another error appears:
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"unable to identify version from checksum:" "0x884f794d" [src/dfinstance.cpp:672] (get_memory_layout)Any help?
Post by: MiniMacker on November 29, 2010, 06:20:11 am
Using 0.6.6, but I'll try downloading the test version 0.6.7
Post by: rephikul on November 29, 2010, 10:25:30 am
The number of dwarves I have is changing randomly. Sometimes I have the full 19, sometimes I lose two dwarves to 17.Same issue with 0.6.7 tho it's more accurate with less dorfs. Swinging heavily 39-44 dwarves here. Never recognize full 45.
Using 0.6.6, but I'll try downloading the test version 0.6.7
Post by: schussel on November 29, 2010, 10:53:22 am
The number of dwarves I have is changing randomly. Sometimes I have the full 19, sometimes I lose two dwarves to 17.
Using 0.6.6, but I'll try downloading the test version 0.6.7
this is the issue with ghostie flag or so .. if i read that correct .. it makes dwarfes on break dissappear ...
a workaround for it was written some pages ago
Post by: alpha on November 29, 2010, 10:14:25 pm
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I'm sorry but I don't know how to talk to this version of Dwarf Fortress! (checksum:0x884f794d)... anyone?
Post by: Andir on November 30, 2010, 12:09:08 am
Sorry, I also do not know how to speak Dee-ef-ian.Code: [Select]I'm sorry but I don't know how to talk to this version of Dwarf Fortress! (checksum:0x884f794d)
... anyone?
Post by: Dai-rasa on November 30, 2010, 09:58:22 am
Code: [Select]I'm sorry but I don't know how to talk to this version of Dwarf Fortress! (checksum:0x884f794d)
... anyone?
You forgot to copy the memory location file. In short, DT is missing an ini file that tells it where is what.
Check the 'etc' directory within the DT source directory. You should be able to find the proper .ini file there.
Post by: alpha on November 30, 2010, 11:32:04 am
Code: [Select]I'm sorry but I don't know how to talk to this version of Dwarf Fortress! (checksum:0x884f794d)
... anyone?
You forgot to copy the memory location file. In short, DT is missing an ini file that tells it where is what.
Check the 'etc' directory within the DT source directory. You should be able to find the proper .ini file there.
Copied the "etc" directory from source and it worked.
You sir are noble gentledwarf and a scholar.
Post by: Kilowatt on December 02, 2010, 08:52:21 pm
Post by: calrogman on December 03, 2010, 03:29:40 pm
Hrm. I can't seem to download the file for Linux. I apparently don't have permission to access the directory, and then there's a 404 when ErrorDocument handles the request.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg1730487#msg1730487
Post by: Kilowatt on December 03, 2010, 05:45:52 pm
Post by: Axecleaver on December 06, 2010, 01:23:59 pm
It makes Dwarf fortress playable. It's that good.
However...
As a lot of other users have already asked about the following issue and have not elicited so much as a PEEP in response, I can only surmise that:
THEY DID NOT SPEAK LOUD ENOUGH.
Just wanted to start off with props to chmod and DwarfEngineer. I really love this utility and I find the game nearly unplayable without it since I discovered it. Just one question and sorry if it has been asked before. In the future will it be able to properly show castes? Or at least be able to properly show the gender of races with multiple castes? I play with Deon's Genesis and it just seems to pick a random gender. Caste would be nice but gender is important since I only allow males in my military and it would be nice to tell who is what at a glance.
Quick Question: Does DwarfTherapist work with this mod? I can't imagine why it wouldn't but I think I heard it once.It does, it just doesn't show gender properly. The displayed gender is seemingly random due to castes.
Dwarf Therapist is missing crucial functionality! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=71346.0)
It can read a dwarf's traits, but only the ones that are useless! Agility, strength, endurance, recuperation, toughness, kinesthetic sense, spatial sense, willpower, etc. are not listed
Makes my OCD sad.
Try posting about it in the Dwarf Therapist thread or even the Dwarf Therapist forums.
On a side note I agree.
this may just be me but i use dwarf therapist with dwarf fortress and it cant read ure genders right ive never had tbhis issue before and ive played vanilla and civilization mod and it was always right before but now it says i got 1 man and 6 women and in game when i check ive got 3 men and 4 women ive tried a fresh instal of dwarf therapist and tried restarting it and reloading it a few times as well any ideas and yes im not stupud i know this isnt the dwarf therapist forum.....That's a problem with how Dwarf Therapist responds to castes. I've brought this up on the DT thread an was thoroughly ignored but you could try as well.
erm hello so ive been using this mod for a few months now loved it and DF is unplayable with out it ive used it on vanilla and civilization mod and its perfect but just today i wanted somthing different so i tried the genesis mod and while playing dwarf fortress told me i had 1 guy and 6 women and when i checked in game i had 3 men and 4 women and the person it said was male was a women. so was wondering if there is any way to fix this? or a work around for this or a planned update to fix this or if thats even possible? sry for the run on
I'm just saying...
These folks have already brought up this issue in the Genesis Mod (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=52988.0) thread (where nothing can be done about it), in this Dwarf Therapist (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.0) thread, and RadPanda even started a new thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=71346.0) about this. And... no response...?
No offense, but is DwarfEngineer or anyone who is in a position to address this aware of this? I do realize that Dwarf Therapist is a very popular tool and this thread gets frequent posts from users with issues and concerns. So, it's not surprising when a message or two gets buried under new posts. But, IMO, it would help immensely if it was acknowledged with something like, "we are aware of the problem" or even "sorry, but I'm afraid this can not be fixed."
Post by: Andir on December 06, 2010, 01:37:11 pm
It's not enough to set the initial XML offset in these cases because the extra data that was being collected before has moved in memory and the numbers need to be updated. In some cases, the programs need to be updated to handle this change. It's just that nobody has done it.
Gem windows aren't showing up for me correctly.
I got stonesense working by replacing the memory XML in the old stonesense with the one from DFhack, would that be the issue? They just look like empty frames.
I know creatures don't show up via memory XML replacement, but I wasn't sure about windows.
generally, unless it's stated otherwise, just assume that the xml isn't complete yet.
Post by: SurfinShroom on December 06, 2010, 02:11:36 pm
Post by: calrogman on December 06, 2010, 04:20:10 pm
Installed, it pops up with a graphics error of some sort? Is this because i'm using a tileset?No, using a tileset won't change how Dwarf Fortress uses its memory. Please be more specific about the error. Copy and paste what pops up or provide a core dump if you know how.
Post by: gtmattz on December 06, 2010, 04:49:53 pm
The version I have been using (0.6.6) has a problem where the number of dwarves keeps changing (I see other mentions of this above). I am just wondering if 0.6.7 fixes this issue?
I simply downloaded it and tested it, ignore my post, I am a dummy (I blame mondays with no morning coffee).
Post by: DwarfEngineer on December 06, 2010, 06:11:41 pm
No offense, but is DwarfEngineer or anyone who is in a position to address this aware of this? I do realize that Dwarf Therapist is a very popular tool and this thread gets frequent posts from users with issues and concerns. So, it's not surprising when a message or two gets buried under new posts. But, IMO, it would help immensely if it was acknowledged with something like, "we are aware of the problem" or even "sorry, but I'm afraid this can not be fixed."
I am aware of it, so was chmod; it was an issue when I started maintaining dwarf therapist, and hasn't reached a high enough priority for me yet. You can track progress of the issue here (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=223). Support for mods is something that I would like to add at some point, but there are still a few idiosyncrasies and features around the core game that I would like to get done before I start working on mod support.
There's a good chance that a lot of features around custom content will require reading raw files, which is something that dwarf therapist hasn't done to date, so there's a lot of infrastructure that will need to go in to it to do it right.
In the future, if you feel that an important feature is being ignored, please open an issue on the Project page (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/list). This way I will receive e-mail notification and you'll have a way to permanently track progress, make notes, discuss the feature request, etc.
Post by: SurfinShroom on December 07, 2010, 12:20:15 pm
Thats my error, help please? :)
Post by: Shades on December 07, 2010, 12:46:11 pm
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Thats my error, help please? :)
See the first line of that error, it looks like what alpha got so Dai-rasa's response is probably good for you too.
Code: [Select]I'm sorry but I don't know how to talk to this version of Dwarf Fortress! (checksum:0x884f794d)
... anyone?
You forgot to copy the memory location file. In short, DT is missing an ini file that tells it where is what.
Check the 'etc' directory within the DT source directory. You should be able to find the proper .ini file there.
Post by: SurfinShroom on December 07, 2010, 01:07:29 pm
Post by: Shades on December 07, 2010, 01:24:57 pm
so what do I do exaclty? :/ sorry :L
I assumed it was a missing ini file, the ini files in the /etc directory tell therapist where stuff is in dwarf fortress. But the 0.31.18 version appears to be in the download. Just check you have it in your install in case but if it is then I'm not sure.
Post by: CapnUrist on December 08, 2010, 05:35:05 am
Post by: Rex_Nex on December 08, 2010, 05:54:52 am
Here I was thinking you have finally gone insane, and all you did was change the title of your post.
Badass.
Post by: profit on December 08, 2010, 01:08:36 pm
Just want to say, everything is working perfectly for me.
*knock on wood*
*knock on wood*
windows 7 ultimate -64bit. Not ran as administrator, ran from a folder on the desktop. Mayday version of DF .18
Keep up the good work.
Post by: xczxc on December 10, 2010, 03:10:16 pm
any help would be appreciated.
Post by: Fastler on December 11, 2010, 08:22:36 pm
Hi, I'm using 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10 and I can't add the source to the synaptic, when I hit the reload button it says that it was unable to fetch http://dwarftherapist.com/apt/ etc etc etc unable to connect to dwarftherapist.com:http:
any help would be appreciated.
Same thing here. It would seem the repository is down or protected or something.
Post by: calrogman on December 12, 2010, 09:34:11 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg1730487#msg1730487Hi, I'm using 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10 and I can't add the source to the synaptic, when I hit the reload button it says that it was unable to fetch http://dwarftherapist.com/apt/ etc etc etc unable to connect to dwarftherapist.com:http:Same thing here. It would seem the repository is down or protected or something.
any help would be appreciated.
Post by: xczxc on December 14, 2010, 02:09:59 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg1730487#msg1730487Hi, I'm using 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10 and I can't add the source to the synaptic, when I hit the reload button it says that it was unable to fetch http://dwarftherapist.com/apt/ etc etc etc unable to connect to dwarftherapist.com:http:Same thing here. It would seem the repository is down or protected or something.
any help would be appreciated.
No, have already done that, but as the guy below me said, it looks as if the repository is down.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on December 14, 2010, 11:06:33 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg1730487#msg1730487Hi, I'm using 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10 and I can't add the source to the synaptic, when I hit the reload button it says that it was unable to fetch http://dwarftherapist.com/apt/ etc etc etc unable to connect to dwarftherapist.com:http:Same thing here. It would seem the repository is down or protected or something.
any help would be appreciated.
No, have already done that, but as the guy below me said, it looks as if the repository is down.
Currently I don't have source packages posted, just binaries. The source is available through mercurial on the project page. (See first page for link)
Post by: xczxc on December 15, 2010, 01:09:13 pm
Post by: DDR on December 17, 2010, 05:22:45 pm
Answer: C:\Documents and Settings\David\Application Data\UDP Software
Post by: madciol on December 18, 2010, 07:10:59 am
Post by: DDR on December 19, 2010, 01:21:08 am
I've got a lot of them, and they're gumming up my production.
Post by: Jorshamo on December 19, 2010, 04:43:26 pm
Post by: pineapple on December 19, 2010, 11:13:46 pm
Post by: Samohan25 on December 20, 2010, 02:53:09 am
I would like very much to have different icon for "On break" than for "Idle". My OCD screams "nolazy bum freeloadersidlers!". Thankyouverymuch.
I agree, we need a way to filter on job and some diffrenciation between 'On break' and 'Idle', currently not only do they use the same icons but they both come up as 'No job' when you hover over it to show the job.
Post by: Kc_spot on December 23, 2010, 06:57:08 pm
Spoiler: Spoiled for sanitys sake.. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Trouserman on December 23, 2010, 07:49:05 pm
Why oh why is the following being ignored?
For Urist's sake, it's not being ignored. DwarfEngineer made a very clear and reasonable response (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg1780473#msg1780473) the very same day.
Post by: ThisIsVictor on December 24, 2010, 02:52:47 am
I'm trying to install Dwarf Therapist on Ubuntu 10.04. I'm new to both DF and Ubuntu, so it's not going so well. Here are my problems:
I tried to install via apt-get. I added the source, typed out the command and got:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
dwarftherapist: Depends: libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1) but 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 is to be installed
E: Broken packages
Ubuntu is telling me that version is exactly the one I already have installed, so I'm not sure what's going on there.
I also tried running an alpha version I found previously in this thread. That was DwarfTherapist_LINUX_ALPHA_R444.5. When I run that a terminal pops up, shows an error message too fast for me to see and closes.
Any advice would be awesome!
--Victor
Post by: bremarv on December 24, 2010, 07:58:12 pm
I tried to install via apt-get. I added the source, typed out the command and got:I think what it's saying is that Dwarf Therapist requires version 4.7.0 of libqtcore, while the one in the ubuntu 10.04 repos are only 4.6.2. If this is right DwarfEngineer is probably using Ubuntu 10.10. Not sure what you can do about this. My first reaction is to compile DT myself.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
dwarftherapist: Depends: libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1) but 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 is to be installed
E: Broken packages
Ubuntu is telling me that version is exactly the one I already have installed, so I'm not sure what's going on there.
I also tried running an alpha version I found previously in this thread. That was DwarfTherapist_LINUX_ALPHA_R444.5. When I run that a terminal pops up, shows an error message too fast for me to see and closes.Try running it from a terminal and you should probably see the error messages there.
Post by: ThisIsVictor on December 25, 2010, 03:58:35 am
I got DT installed and I can run it from the terminal. It pops up for a moment and then closes. I get the following messages in the terminal:
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Could not open logfile for writing! "No such file or directory"
ptrace attach: Operation not permitted
(<unknown>:3142): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid uninstantiatable type `(null)' in cast to `GObject'
(<unknown>:3142): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_get_data: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
victor@victor-laptop:~$ DwarfTherapist
Could not open logfile for writing! "No such file or directory"
ptrace attach: Operation not permitted
(<unknown>:3178): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid uninstantiatable type `(null)' in cast to `GObject'
(<unknown>:3178): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_get_data: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
I have no idea what that means and google wasn't very helpful.
Thanks for the help!!
--Victor
Post by: mrbaggins on December 27, 2010, 03:15:07 am
Now, the problem.
I keep getting "??" as parts of different things in the program. For example, my miner might be "Competent (4) Miner" but under that will be "Novice (1) ??"
There is no consistency within it, in that case it was masonry.
I also get the same thing on current jobs "Crafting ?? crafts"
The last 3 pages made no mention of this...
I'm using Phoebus 31.18v2 and Therapist 0.6.7.
Post by: bremarv on December 28, 2010, 02:11:36 pm
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Could not open logfile for writing! "No such file or directory"
ptrace attach: Operation not permittedsounds like a problem with the permissions on the dwarf therapist folder. giving write permissions to all should help.[/code]
Post by: kiffer.geo on December 28, 2010, 09:05:18 pm
This is not in and of itself the interesting or fun part...
The fun part is that I'm using it over ssh X11 forwarding to control a fortress that I otherwise control with DFTERM2 :-)
For future reference, should anyone else want to forward DT over some kind of crazy ssh/X11 tunnel there is one snag I ran into...
I tried to just use sudo to run DT but still got ptrace errors, so I used 'sudo su' to become root but then I got x11 forwarding errors because I wasn't the same user anymore which was fixed with the following few commands
Whilst regular user;
echo $DISPLAY (to find out which display X11 was using)
xauth list (which returned several entries that looked like this SERVERNAME/unix:13 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 a1d52694834b20ad521e46db9caf33a8)
then after 'sudo su' ie whilst root
xauth add SERVERNAME/unix:13 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 a1d52694834b20ad521e46db9caf33a8
Now... this is pretty laggy but it works... I can now control my small 50 Dwarf Fortress, which is running on a spare machine in my house from my laptop anywhere in the world AND I can still use DwarfTherapist to manage it!
Anyway the most important part of my post:Thank you, Dwarf Engineer, for your excellent application!
EDIT: actually... now I'm getting an error... "Unidentified Game Version"... I got it once before and then it went away... now it's back... most odd.
Post by: ThisIsVictor on December 29, 2010, 09:23:40 pm
Thanks for all the help!
--Victor
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on December 30, 2010, 04:05:18 pm
Post by: pineapple on December 30, 2010, 08:30:24 pm
Post by: bremarv on December 30, 2010, 09:48:07 pm
How are people downloading the latest DT Linux version? I can't get dwarftherapist.com to resolve in the browser or as a repository. It just 404s.
I download the source and compile it myself from the googlecode repository
Post by: FuzzyDoom on December 30, 2010, 10:28:22 pm
Post by: pineapple on December 31, 2010, 10:11:03 am
Edit: nevermind I rebuilt it with QtCreator. Now it immediately exits saying it could not open a log file because one doesn't exist. I'd manually make one if I knew where it wanted one.
Edit 2: ok, log file sorted out. since ptrace is disabled in maverick it has to be run with sudo, so I have to launch DF with sudo too or it won't see it.
Post by: The_Countess on January 01, 2011, 02:56:24 pm
I don't see an option for swimming skill anywhere. Is it not tracked, or am I just missing something?
you can see swimming skills by right clicking a dwarfs name en hitting show details.
swimming skills (if any) will be listed there.
Post by: Nagidal on January 03, 2011, 09:31:46 am
I generally like to assign tasks to my dwarves according to their personal thoughts and preferences, especially to what is written in the green/red paragraph of them. That means I don't make a miner of a dwarf who is weak and easily tired. Thoughts and preferences can be accessed when you "view crew" a dwarf in the units list, and then by pressing Enter you display them.
While I can carefully select the skill and task profile for each of my 7 starting dwarves, this procedure gets more complicated with the dwarves coming with the immigration waves. (You know, look their names up, search for them in the units list, view crew, view thoughts ...). I would very much prefer to lookup the thoughts and preferences of each individual Dwarf in Dwarf Therapist.
I know that in the current version you can see "Traits" of each dwarf when you mouse over him, but this does not say anything about his physical and mental abilities which you can read in the green/red section of the thoughts and preferences description. Nor can anything like that be seen in the Dwarf Details Dock windows of Dwarf Therapist.
That's why I would like you to implement the possibility of displaying thoughts and preferences of a dwarf do Dwarf Therapist. The sooner the better.
Post by: ikkonoishi on January 03, 2011, 12:45:40 pm
When you hover over a skill in the grid view it pops up a window showing just that skill and its levels.
Could you switch that to showing the full list of the Dwarf's skills with the hovered over skill bolded after a couple of seconds?
Also it would be nice if you could flip the grid view so that the skills are on the left, and the dwarves names are across the top. That would be more useful I would think. I find that I read the skill names more than the Dwarf names.
Post by: FuzzyDoom on January 08, 2011, 04:41:02 pm
Post by: bremarv on January 08, 2011, 08:01:44 pm
So any idea on how to get DT working on non-Ubuntu Linux? Would be VERY helpful. Linux noob here so try not to sound too guru-ish if you can. ;D
You always have the option of compiling it yourself. If you click on the linux link in the first post there is also a link to 0.6.4 in the old section which should include memory_layouts up to 31.16, and if you use 31.18 you can just add it yourself.
You might also have some luck searching for 'dwarf therapist <distro>' and find that someone have made a package. At least on Arch Linux some users have made a gaming repository containing df and dt.
Post by: GrimmBean on January 09, 2011, 09:49:35 am
I am running Debian 5.0.7
while trying to build DT I ran all of these commands per instructions:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I know you
Any help is appreciated
Post by: Forumite on January 09, 2011, 11:42:15 am
I´m still running DF 0.31.12 because that´s the only one with a working Mac verison of Dwarf Therapist.
Post by: zibjio on January 11, 2011, 09:39:21 pm
I am very new to Linux.
I am running Debian 5.0.7
while trying to build DT I ran all of these commands per instructions:and this is what I get when I run make:Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I know youdon'thave to have Dwarf The Rapist to play......
Any help is appreciated
Hey man, I had the same issue. The problem is debian has qt 4.4. Download the newest version from the qt website, and try compiling again. After that, I got this error when I tried to run it:
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Could not open logfile for writing! "No such file or directory"
So I did:
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mkdir log; touch log/run.log
And that solved that. Now it's crashing with this, in that same log file:
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2011-Jan-12 02:30:39.429 DEBUG core attempting connection to running DF game [src/mainwindow.cpp:224] (connect_to_df)
2011-Jan-12 02:30:39.438 ERROR core No valid memory layouts found in the following directories... () [src/dfinstance.cpp:98] (DFInstance)
2011-Jan-12 02:30:39.497 DEBUG core base_addr: 134531376 HEX 804c930 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:324] (find_running_copy)
2011-Jan-12 02:30:40.152 DEBUG core DF's checksum is "0x884f794d" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:328] (find_running_copy)
2011-Jan-12 02:30:40.152 DEBUG core DF's checksum is: "0x884f794d" [src/dfinstance.cpp:636] (get_memory_layout)
2011-Jan-12 02:30:40.308 ERROR core "unable to identify version from checksum:" "0x884f794d" [src/dfinstance.cpp:672] (get_memory_layout)
So I guess I'll try to solve that now...
Edit: should have read the build info page on the wiki on the project's page. Just needed to copy the etc folder to the folder the binary was in.
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dwarftherapist/bin/release$ cp -r ../../etc/ .
Post by: Darkdwarf14 on January 12, 2011, 01:07:41 am
Post by: ke1evra on January 13, 2011, 04:56:48 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
First I got Ubuntu from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.10/release/ubuntu-10.10-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.10/release/ubuntu-10.10-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I unpacked it, doubleclicked on DF icon and nothing happened at all :)
Then I found out from README that it needs some libraries:
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GTK+ 2+
SDL 1.2+
SDL_imageAnd some OpenGL implementation:Code: [Select]
libgl
libgluAlso by running DF through terminal, I've fund out there were some missing x32 libraries. I got them all from Synaptic Package Manager and that was it for DF to make it work. As it turned out it was an easy part :DI experienced hard time hustling for DT 0.6.7 or at least 0.6.6 for Linux version. Adding featured repositories resulted these errors:
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Failed to fetch http://dwarftherapist.com/apt/dists/maverick/universe/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found
Failed to fetch http://dwarftherapist.com/apt/dists/maverick/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. Well it turned out that i have to compile DT by my self, i got instructions from here: http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist)
Shortly, I did install Mercurial and Qt SDK, then, get following packages by typing in terminal:
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sudo apt-get install build-essential libglib2.0-dev libSM-dev libxrender-dev libfontconfig1-dev libxext-devand comppile:Code: [Select]
$ sudo apt-get install qt4-qmake qt4-dev-tools
$ hg clone https://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/hg/ dwarftherapist
$ cd dwarftherapist
$ qmake
$ makeQuote
After that, make a log directory in the same folder as the binary (bin/release), then copy the dwarftherapist/etc folder in there too.I haven't done this yet, it gives error message but still works for me (only works if launched from terminal).
Then it finally launched by typing (or just doubleclick it i assume):
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./bin/release/DwarfTherapistWell it connected to the game, BUT it didn't read my dwarfs! It gave me such error message:
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Unable to talk to Dwarf Fortress: Dwarf Fortress has either stopped running, or your unloaded your game. Please re-connect when a fort is loadedFinally i googled up this page: http://udpviper.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18106&p=290189&hilit=ubuntu#p290189 (http://udpviper.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18106&p=290189&hilit=ubuntu#p290189)To make it work type this (only works until reboot):
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echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scopeTo make this setting permanent, first run the "echo" command above, then edit the /etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf file. (You'll need to have super-user permissions to save your changes). Look for the line:Code: [Select]
kernel.yama.ptrace_scope = 1at the bottom of the file, and change it to:Code: [Select]
kernel.yama.ptrace_scope = 0Finally I got Windows-like experience running DF+DT on Linux, hope it helps someone. Also here's history of installed stuff from Synaptic Package Manager since OS installation through hustling, you won't need all of that though:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ruanna on January 15, 2011, 08:06:29 am
Post by: Victuz on January 19, 2011, 05:14:41 pm
Running out of normal XP and both TD and Runesmith crash immediately after opening. TD just stops, Runesmith gives a "Failed to open file at row 0 col 0" error.
Post by: userpay on January 29, 2011, 09:31:16 pm
Post by: Aklyon on January 29, 2011, 10:10:40 pm
Post by: userpay on January 29, 2011, 11:01:10 pm
Post by: Aklyon on January 29, 2011, 11:03:23 pm
Hmm the name doesn't ring a bell, nor is it compatible with .18 anyway, but thanks. Hopefully it'll be updated soon.Runesmith is waiting on various updated DFHack values, so its really more waiting for stuff to update so stuff can update.
Post by: Sutremaine on January 30, 2011, 08:03:59 pm
Post by: Cespinarve on February 02, 2011, 12:05:10 pm
Post by: profit on February 02, 2011, 03:46:39 pm
I suppose there's no hope in a Mac version finally surfacing?I am fairly certain there has been a mac version for a long time.
* Just looked and the project file does indeed have build information for the mac ->
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else:macx {
message(Setting up for OSX)
HEADERS += ./inc/dfinstanceosx.h
SOURCES += ./src/dfinstanceosx.cpp
ICON = hammer.ico
}
Post by: bremarv on February 03, 2011, 03:43:56 am
I suppose there's no hope in a Mac version finally surfacing?I am fairly certain there has been a mac version for a long time.
I think the latest dt for mac supports 31.12. I can't remember why theres not support for later versions, but there is a reason.
Post by: Cl3v3land on February 04, 2011, 06:27:56 am
I didn't find anything in this forum to solve this problem. so any ideas??
Post by: Peaceful Slugman on February 08, 2011, 01:34:27 am
In the following image my masoncarpenter is really making a barrel, but DT shows him as forging a toy. Game is paused and I "read dwarves" so all info in DT is up to date.
(http://s3.postimage.org/41gxc9n3f/forgetoy.png)
Also, I remember that one time I used DT to enable only carpentry on one dwarf, then DT caused the dwarf to enable all woodworking skills. I don't have any evidence for that, however. I'll see if I can recreate it.
Post by: Quietust on February 08, 2011, 01:27:11 pm
Post by: Dragonchampion on February 08, 2011, 01:44:33 pm
Post by: Argembarger on February 10, 2011, 10:56:35 am
Hopy shit.
I feel just like I felt when I realized how useful managers were.
Thanks for working on this project, this is awesome!
Post by: pmbg on February 12, 2011, 06:27:05 pm
So far I have found that there is indeed a working version of Dwarf Therapist for mac. You can find it here: http://code.google.com/r/jofarrell-dwarftherapistosx/ (http://code.google.com/r/jofarrell-dwarftherapistosx/).
However, the problem is that it only works for 4 versions of dwarf fortress.
0.31.11
0.31.10
0.31.12
0.31.08
None of these versions are available on the bay 12 site. They are listed in the older versions archive, but are not downloadable.
Has anyone else had any luck? I have done extensive searching, but I can't find these versions anywhere, or another solution.
Post by: Aklyon on February 12, 2011, 07:53:15 pm
Post by: pmbg on February 12, 2011, 10:49:06 pm
Post by: ruanna on February 14, 2011, 05:38:30 am
http://rapidshare.com/files/447857172/df_osx_12_copy.zip
Post by: Neyvn on February 16, 2011, 02:14:57 pm
Post by: Silophant on February 16, 2011, 04:15:40 pm
Post by: Mickey Blue on February 16, 2011, 04:38:56 pm
Post by: LoSboccacc on February 16, 2011, 05:25:24 pm
go, make your opinion count: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=24818.0
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 16, 2011, 06:24:53 pm
I've got windows layout files if people want to try them and report back (Right-click, save as):
Windows - v0.31.19_graphics.ini (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.19_graphics.ini)
Windows - v0.31.19_legacy.ini (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.19_legacy.ini)
And Linux:
Linux - v0.31.19.ini (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.19.ini)
Going to see how bad linux looks then I'll post the release if people are having success.
Thanks,
DE
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on February 16, 2011, 06:37:25 pm
Working on a release.
I've got windows layout files if people want to try them and report back (Right-click, save as):
Windows - v0.31.19_graphics.ini (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.19_graphics.ini)
Windows - v0.31.19_legacy.ini (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.19_legacy.ini)
Going to see how bad linux looks then I'll post the release if people are having success.
Thanks,
Justin
praise the engineers!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 16, 2011, 07:05:47 pm
Thanks.
Post by: Mickey Blue on February 16, 2011, 08:27:40 pm
Post by: StephanReiken on February 16, 2011, 09:36:42 pm
Post by: squeakyReaper on February 16, 2011, 09:50:06 pm
Sorry, I don't dare touch updated DF until DT is updated. I can even stand not using tilesets and such, as long as I have DT to manage professions :D.
This. I actually had to look up how to apply labors and custom professions to Dwarves, as I've ALWAYS had DT to use. o_O;;
Post by: Sarudak on February 16, 2011, 09:54:10 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 16, 2011, 09:57:11 pm
There's a way to apply custom professions in vanilla??? :oYeah. its in the same screen as the nickname customizer. Been there since 40d, possibly earlier.
Post by: JanusTwoface on February 16, 2011, 09:59:59 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 16, 2011, 10:02:52 pm
Post by: Panthera Leo on February 16, 2011, 10:29:56 pm
I'm looking for (preferably small) save files with dwarves who have the new professions, so if you happen to have/aquire some, please let me know. I'm going to wait to release until I have all of the new professions & labors handled in DT. In the meantime, please let me know if you have problems with the layout files above.Hmm ... You could, maybe, just add the following below '[CREATURE:DWARF]' in raw\object\creature_standard.txt ?
Thanks.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That should make ever dwarf start with a Legendary+5 in all the new skills.
Post by: Sarudak on February 16, 2011, 10:30:35 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 16, 2011, 10:43:13 pm
I'm looking for (preferably small) save files with dwarves who have the new professions, so if you happen to have/aquire some, please let me know. I'm going to wait to release until I have all of the new professions & labors handled in DT. In the meantime, please let me know if you have problems with the layout files above.Hmm ... You could, maybe, just add the following below '[CREATURE:DWARF]' in raw\object\creature_standard.txt ?
Thanks.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That should make ever dwarf start with a Legendary+5 in all the new skills.
Thanks, I've got what I need.
Post by: Thoranius on February 16, 2011, 11:10:02 pm
Love the way you react so quickly to new versions...all hail the DwarfEngineer!
Post by: Thoranius on February 16, 2011, 11:12:46 pm
Post by: Mickey Blue on February 16, 2011, 11:35:40 pm
I don't know how I ever played without dwarf therapist...
I have, but that was before Dwarf Therapist was around, back with Dwarf Manager, but it was the same thing basically (DT is better tehnically and all, but it served the same purpose I mean). I have never played Dwarf Fortress to any serious degree without some third party manager program (I do hope that the internal management is corrected, or a "toady supported" version is created and coupled with the game. I believe that without a third party program to manage it DF would become extremely frustrating to play, at least for those of us who tend to micromanage).
-MB
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 16, 2011, 11:42:51 pm
On a side note, did you ever figure out a way to get around that bug that prevented DT from activating the hunting labor on a dwarf and making it behave properly? Or is that something that still has to be turned on inside DF itself? :D
Is this related to the dwarf not realizing he needs new equipment? If so, it should be a pretty easy fix.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 16, 2011, 11:46:32 pm
Otherwise it will take some time to find an embark with bees, setup all of the shearing / spinning / bee keeping, etc workshops needed to figure out what all the new job names are.
Post by: Sarudak on February 16, 2011, 11:55:25 pm
Post by: TealThanatos on February 17, 2011, 12:01:12 am
So please... interim release!!!
lack of DT is the only thing preventing me from playing the new version >_< It really makes the game playable!
Post by: Thoranius on February 17, 2011, 12:10:21 am
And on the other topic, I don't believe the original bug was due to equipment issues, it was something about starting the hunting cycle properly. IE, if you turned on hunting in DF itself, everything would start properly, and the new hunter would eventually get around to starting a hunting "cycle". However, if you chose the same dwarf, and enabled the labor with DT, then that dwarf would never start hunting, ever. If I recall correctly, doing so could even prevent future hunting labor toggles through DF ineffective as well. I could be mistaken, but as far as I recall, that was one of the few DT bugs that hung around for a long while. Maybe it became fixed with some of Toadies changes in the ways hunting was triggered or whatnot, but, I've been too paranoid to try and test for sure, just in case I accidentally lock my skilled hunter in "never hunt again" mode, and forcing me to sort through my folder of excessive backup saves.
Post by: Malicus on February 17, 2011, 12:10:21 am
I would like to get a general opinion. I have the memory layouts done. I also have professions / skills / and labor assignment done for the new labors, but I haven't had a chance to dig into all of the jobs associated with them. Would people be interested in an intermediate release knowing that the job column will not be accurate for the new labors?
Otherwise it will take some time to find an embark with bees, setup all of the shearing / spinning / bee keeping, etc workshops needed to figure out what all the new job names are.
I currently have a save with a fair number of the new things. I'll post it in a bit. ...where SHOULD I post it?
Post by: Panthera Leo on February 17, 2011, 12:15:01 am
I would like to get a general opinion. I have the memory layouts done. I also have professions / skills / and labor assignment done for the new labors, but I haven't had a chance to dig into all of the jobs associated with them. Would people be interested in an intermediate release knowing that the job column will not be accurate for the new labors?
Otherwise it will take some time to find an embark with bees, setup all of the shearing / spinning / bee keeping, etc workshops needed to figure out what all the new job names are.
^.^ Normally I'm not a big fan of 'half-finished', but I'd take a "interminably release". (More so considering I never use DT for tracking who is doing what. I just us 'u' key from inside the game.)
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 17, 2011, 12:30:19 am
Please let me know if you have any problems, especially around the new labors.
Linux version to follow tomorrow most-likely. (It's getting late here)
Post by: Panthera Leo on February 17, 2011, 12:42:54 am
Post by: Malicus on February 17, 2011, 12:55:53 am
...you can also see how much the metal situation has changed.
Post by: Malorn on February 17, 2011, 01:41:17 am
Post by: Pwnzerfaust on February 17, 2011, 02:25:04 am
Windows version 0.6.8 Posted (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.8.zip).
Please let me know if you have any problems, especially around the new labors.
Linux version to follow tomorrow most-likely. (It's getting late here)
You're the best. <3
Post by: Girlinhat on February 17, 2011, 03:26:04 am
There's a way to apply custom professions in vanilla??? :oLike profession names, I assume, not an entirely new method of labor.
Post by: RiderofDark on February 17, 2011, 04:09:44 am
Post by: Shurhaian on February 17, 2011, 05:37:19 am
There's a way to apply custom professions in vanilla??? :oLike profession names, I assume, not an entirely new method of labor.
IIRC, DwarfTherapist "custom professions" include the custom name of that profession, and a bunch of associated(but vanilla) labors. So you can have a custom profession of "Hauler" which just has the hauling jobs enabled, for instance. It's not any custom labors - just an arrangement of the ones that already exist, with a convenient label.
ETA: Many, many thanks for getting a new release out there so fast! I wanted to see what the new version was like, but dreaded the thought of labor management. I thought it might be a few days at least before DT was up and running for .19. It's nice to be wrong about that sort of thing!
Post by: jnecros on February 17, 2011, 08:43:34 am
Thanks for fast the update
Post by: Malorn on February 17, 2011, 09:14:56 am
Doesn't really effect me, since I don't use that, but interesting. Happy DFing, love the scarce metal!
Post by: Dutchling on February 17, 2011, 11:34:54 am
Post by: StephanReiken on February 17, 2011, 06:35:49 pm
Post by: Cheater on February 17, 2011, 07:51:15 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 17, 2011, 08:07:24 pm
Okay, I uploaded that save to DFFD, here (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3805). You should be able to shear some sheep and spin the wool at the farmer's workshop on the surface. There are also hives there, and you can build one to have a dwarf split a hive into it. You'd have to wait for gathering to be possible, though (and I suppose you should probably turn gathering OFF on them until you're ready to see that). On -4, where most of the workshops are, you should be able to mill rock nuts to paste at the quern, press liquid from that paste and press honey from a honeycomb (there's one sitting on the surface right now) at the screw press, make various new things at the craftdwarf's workshop (you may have to assign a labor for some of this stuff) (and despite having wax, wax crafts don't seem to work, as the wax seems to just vanish when someone picks it up from the stockpile to work with it), and gather/work clay and glaze things at the kiln. I -should- have what I need to make mead at the still, but it doesn't work. Perhaps that's also bugged? This doesn't include all the variations, of course, but I guess it could help.
...you can also see how much the metal situation has changed.
Thanks very much for the savefile. Because of it, I've been able to find most of the jobs, but it seems like a few are still bugged. If people are playing and happen to notice Unknown Job (xxx) in the current job column, please let me know what the dwarf is doing and what the number is. I'm looking for the following:
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216 = "Shear Creature"
217 = "Spin Thread"
218 = "Unknown"
219 = "Unknown"
220 = "Unknown"
221 = "Unknown"
222 = "Collect Clay"
223 = "Install Colony In Hive"
224 = "Collect Hive Products"
I've also updated the Ubuntu package repositories for linux, and another windows update will be coming eventually. I'm tempted to wait until I find the rest of these jobs and Toady releases his first bugfix for 31.19.
Thanks again,
DE
Post by: 0x517A5D on February 17, 2011, 09:02:08 pm
219 = 'Pen/Pasture Small Animal'
220 = currently unused
221 = 'Forge Tool'
From code analysis, I think that the squad_vector is 0x01718758 for .19 graphics.
Memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.19_graphics.ini has 0x01718768.
Post by: Malicus on February 17, 2011, 10:48:11 pm
From code analysis, I think that the squad_vector is 0x01718758 for .19 graphics.
Memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.19_graphics.ini has 0x01718768.
By way of grouping by squads using both vectors, what you said seems to be true.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 18, 2011, 12:09:50 am
218 = 'Pen/Pasture Large Animal'
219 = 'Pen/Pasture Small Animal'
220 = currently unused
221 = 'Forge Tool'
From code analysis, I think that the squad_vector is 0x01718758 for .19 graphics.
Memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.19_graphics.ini has 0x01718768.
Thanks!
Windows version of 0.6.9 (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.9.zip) posted. The linux version is already uploaded.
Changelog:
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MAJOR CHANGES:
* Support for most new job types (with icons!)
* Support for automatic downloading of layout files.
(Can be disabled by disabling the version check in preferences)
* This is the first version of Dwarf Therapist that reads RAW files, so please
post any issues found
BUG FIXES:
* Fixed issue 313 - Stuck loading squads on older versions of Dwarf Fortress
Post by: noob on February 18, 2011, 02:00:56 am
and theres a new skill military tactics that registers as unknown in the civilian skills.
Post by: ral on February 18, 2011, 11:52:07 am
Post by: squeakyReaper on February 18, 2011, 12:12:51 pm
Post by: fluffhead on February 22, 2011, 01:14:34 pm
such as I have a farmer/brewer w/ food hauling active.
i have a block(mason/engraver) w/ stone hauling on
I have zombies and some others,
basically I'm wondering what are common builds, and what skills (with who hauls what) are typical? I'm sure it's documented somewhere, just not sure where
Post by: squeakyReaper on February 22, 2011, 01:17:37 pm
Post by: fluffhead on February 22, 2011, 02:02:25 pm
Right now I have
Such as in a 100 dwarf fort, typically there are xxx number of dwarfs with mining
4 miners (
Post by: Quietust on February 22, 2011, 02:04:36 pm
Construct (wooden?) Toy and Construct Wooden Barrel's job IDs are mixed around. I think it was something like Code 121 or somesuch?I've already reported this myself several times. Here it is again:
The job name errors were reported on DT's bug tracker over 5 months ago (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=276) - presumably, fixing bugs from the old codebase is low priority.
Post by: squeakyReaper on February 22, 2011, 02:11:14 pm
Post by: fluffhead on February 22, 2011, 02:28:53 pm
total of 61 dwarfs -
6 brickies (masonry, stone detailing,stone hauling)
2 - children
5 - chippers (carpentry/crossbow/wood cutting, (2 with wood hauling on).
6 - crafters (leatherworking, wood crafting, stonecrafting, bone carving, glassmaking, weaving, clothesmaking, strand extraction, pottery, glazing, wax working)
3 - diggers (mining)
3 - farmers (food hauling, farming(fields))
2 - foodies ((brewing, cooking)
9 - misc (butchery, tanning, dying, soap maker, wood burning, potash making, lye making, milling, plant gathering, plant processing, cheese making, milking, shearing, spinning, pressing, bee keeping)
12 - zombies (hauling only)
1 - animal dwarf (animal tanning, animal care, hunting, trapping, small animal dissector, fishing, fish dissector, fish cleaning)
5 - military (only military, doing training)
Post by: Quietust on February 23, 2011, 07:19:02 pm
Sorry, I'll attempt to keep my mouth shut more often.I wasn't whining at you - I was whining at whoever hasn't gotten around to fixing that bug yet in DT.
Post by: Baron Of Hell on February 26, 2011, 02:11:12 pm
Post by: blueocean43 on March 04, 2011, 08:22:36 pm
Sorry to ask stupid questions, but I am a total linux newb trying to install the latest linux (maverick) version of DT.
So, uh... can anyone help me out as to how? I haven't got the foggiest idea where to start.
Post by: MC Dirty on March 05, 2011, 03:28:47 am
Post by: Moleyzz on March 06, 2011, 08:09:32 am
Post by: Jeoshua on March 06, 2011, 09:18:22 am
Post by: luisantonioa on March 06, 2011, 10:35:45 am
[info]
checksum=0x4d734fb5
version_name=v0.31.20 (graphics)
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e04c8
dwarf_race_index=0x0
squad_vector=0x0
Post by: FireFoxx80 on March 06, 2011, 10:40:26 am
I suspect with a bit of knowledge sharing, we can get the values quicker in the future :)
Post by: Moleyzz on March 06, 2011, 10:44:13 am
missing the dwarf race index and squad vector though..
Thats where i got stuck aswell..
Post by: luisantonioa on March 06, 2011, 10:52:03 am
creature_vector = 0x0f323c2c (uncorrected:0x102d3c2c)
creature_vector = 0x0f323c30 (uncorrected:0x102d3c30)
creature_vector = 0x016e0478 (uncorrected:0x02690478)
creature_vector = 0x016e047c (uncorrected:0x0269047c)
creature_vector = 0x03f25a98 (uncorrected:0x04ed5a98)
creature_vector = 0x016e04c8 (uncorrected:0x026904c8)
but the auto fill button used the last one... neway the main problem is the dwarf race index.. as that leads to all the dwarfs showing up..
Post by: FireFoxx80 on March 06, 2011, 10:54:56 am
(autofill?)
Post by: luisantonioa on March 06, 2011, 10:58:22 am
Post by: Chattox on March 06, 2011, 11:37:27 am
Post by: Krinogen on March 06, 2011, 01:48:53 pm
Post by: Moleyzz on March 06, 2011, 01:53:31 pm
I'm refreshing the page every 5 minutes :/Same here, although, am now playing the "old fashion way" kind of back into the habit of cracking the whip again.
Post by: Carcanken on March 06, 2011, 01:55:08 pm
Post by: Tengu on March 06, 2011, 02:37:29 pm
[info]
checksum=0x4d734fb5
version_name=v0.31.20 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e0478
dwarf_race_index=0x0150cc28
squad_vector=0x0171e758
Post by: LoSboccacc on March 06, 2011, 02:44:23 pm
This work for me (Windows SDL version):
[info]
checksum=0x4d734fb5
version_name=v0.31.20 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e0478
dwarf_race_index=0x0150cc28
squad_vector=0x0171e758
how did you found the race index? what you have to search in the address finder?
Post by: Tengu on March 06, 2011, 02:51:41 pm
Post by: 0x517A5D on March 06, 2011, 02:55:18 pm
This work for me (Windows SDL version):I can confirm these vectors. My search tool independently found the same addresses.
[info]
checksum=0x4d734fb5
version_name=v0.31.20 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e0478
dwarf_race_index=0x0150cc28
squad_vector=0x0171e758
I don't have any idea if offsets have changed. I'm still working on probing those.
Post by: Tatterdemalian on March 06, 2011, 02:56:24 pm
This work for me (Windows SDL version):
[info]
checksum=0x4d734fb5
version_name=v0.31.20 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e0478
dwarf_race_index=0x0150cc28
squad_vector=0x0171e758
how did you found the race index? what you have to search in the address finder?
Didn't work for me, maybe because I'm using Legacy instead of Graphics... the checksums are the same, though. Here's the creature_vector values my scan came up with:
creature_vector = 0x016e04c8 (uncorrected:0x023d04c8)
creature_vector = 0x016e0478 (uncorrected:0x023d0478)
creature_vector = 0x016e047c (uncorrected:0x023d047c)
creature_vector = 0x0a45badf (uncorrected:0x0b14badf)
creature_vector = 0x0e9a69db (uncorrected:0x0f6969db)
creature_vector = 0x15855283 (uncorrected:0x16545283)
creature_vector = 0x097ecbf3 (uncorrected:0x0a4dcbf3)
If enough people test this with enough systems, we may be able to narrow it down to the correct one... so far, the three consistent ones are 0x016e04c8, 0x016e0478, and 0x016e047c.
Post by: Moleyzz on March 06, 2011, 02:58:38 pm
This work for me (Windows SDL version):
[info]
checksum=0x4d734fb5
version_name=v0.31.20 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e0478
dwarf_race_index=0x0150cc28
squad_vector=0x0171e758
Confirmed, worked for me, nice one!
Post by: parlor_tricks on March 06, 2011, 03:02:59 pm
Got this so far.. missing the dwarf race index and squad vector though..
[info]
checksum=0x4d734fb5
version_name=v0.31.20 (graphics)
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e04c8
dwarf_race_index=0x0
squad_vector=0x0
Confirming that this portion works.
Post by: 0x517A5D on March 06, 2011, 03:10:04 pm
Right. Different executables means different offsets.This work for me (Windows SDL version):
Didn't work for me, maybe because I'm using Legacy instead of Graphics...
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the checksums are the same, though.
Unless both programs finished compiling in the same second, the checksums won't be the same. We use the linker timestamp field as a "checksum" to avoid problems with mods that permanently patch the executable.
My tool doesn't spit the checksum out yet, but I got 0x4D72F10D by manual inspection. (It's 8 bytes after the "PE" signature in the EXE header.)
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Here's the creature_vector values my scan came up with:A vector cannot end in anything but 0, 4, 8, or C. So most of those fail the eyeball test.
creature_vector = 0x016e04c8 (uncorrected:0x023d04c8)
creature_vector = 0x016e0478 (uncorrected:0x023d0478)
creature_vector = 0x016e047c (uncorrected:0x023d047c)
creature_vector = 0x0a45badf (uncorrected:0x0b14badf)
creature_vector = 0x0e9a69db (uncorrected:0x0f6969db)
creature_vector = 0x15855283 (uncorrected:0x16545283)
creature_vector = 0x097ecbf3 (uncorrected:0x0a4dcbf3)
If enough people test this with enough systems, we may be able to narrow it down to the correct one... so far, the three consistent ones are 0x016e04c8, 0x016e0478, and 0x016e047c.
My search tool got these:
language_vector = ?
translation_vector = ?
creature_vector = 0x017B2D00
dwarf_race_index = 0x015B8248
squad_vector = ?
So I'm getting a different answer for .20 legacy creature_vector than anyone else is.
Post by: Tatterdemalian on March 06, 2011, 03:18:22 pm
Right. Different executables means different offsets.
Unless both programs finished compiling in the same second, the checksums won't be the same. We use the linker timestamp field as a "checksum" to avoid problems with mods that permanently patch the executable.
My tool doesn't spit the checksum out yet, but I got 0x4D72F10D by manual inspection. (It's 8 bytes after the "PE" signature in the EXE header.)
We may be referring to different checksums... this is the "version recognition checksum" that DT returns if it can't connect to the Dwarf Fortress instance currently running. The one I got was 0x4d734fb5, the same as the people using the graphics version have been using, and DT wouldn't be able to connect if it wasn't the correct checksum.
Post by: Tengu on March 06, 2011, 03:22:30 pm
Post by: 0x517A5D on March 06, 2011, 03:36:53 pm
We may be referring to different checksums... this is the "version recognition checksum" that DT returns if it can't connect to the Dwarf Fortress instance currently running. The one I got was 0x4d734fb5, the same as the people using the graphics version have been using, and DT wouldn't be able to connect if it wasn't the correct checksum.No, same checksum.
.20 SDL = 4D734FB5 = Sun Mar 6 09:11:17 UTC 2011
.20 legacy = 4D72F10D = Sun Mar 6 02:27:25 UTC 2011
Do you possibly have both the SDL and legacy executables running at the same time? Check via Ctrl-Alt-Delete.
Post by: peterix on March 06, 2011, 03:38:19 pm
My theory is that DF creates a creature vector for each of the dwarves. In this case the address to use would be the address of the first vector. That probably is the lowest of the addresses, 0x016e0478 in this case. I did some testing, using the other creature_vector addresses and keeping the others unchanged. This otherwise works but some of the dwarves are not displayed. I take this as circumstantial evidence supporting my theory.No. There are only three real creature vectors that contain dwarves after embark. Rest can't be traced back to stable addresses properly, so it's probably shadows remaining after reallocations... And then there's the fourth vector that contains creatures under the active cursor.
Code: [Select]
0x1877e88 -- creature under cursor
vectors (subtract 4 to get DT-friendly vectors):
0x16e048c
0x16e047c -- I use this one in dfhack
0x16e04cc
Post by: Tengu on March 06, 2011, 03:45:14 pm
My theory is that DF creates a creature vector for each of the dwarves. In this case the address to use would be the address of the first vector. That probably is the lowest of the addresses, 0x016e0478 in this case. I did some testing, using the other creature_vector addresses and keeping the others unchanged. This otherwise works but some of the dwarves are not displayed. I take this as circumstantial evidence supporting my theory.No. There are only three real creature vectors that contain dwarves after embark. Rest can't be traced back to stable addresses properly, so it's probably shadows remaining after reallocations... And then there's the fourth vector that contains creatures under the active cursor.Code: [Select]0x1877e88 -- creature under cursor
vectors (subtract 4 to get DT-friendly vectors):
0x16e048c
0x16e047c -- I use this one in dfhack
0x16e04cc
Oh. Then I just happened to stumble upon partially intact vectors when tinkering with the incorrect addresses. Thanks for the information.
Post by: Tatterdemalian on March 06, 2011, 03:53:32 pm
No, same checksum.Nope, just Dwarf Fortress.exe and DwarfTherapist.exe. I guess I must have downloaded the graphics version by mistake.
.20 SDL = 4D734FB5 = Sun Mar 6 09:11:17 UTC 2011
.20 legacy = 4D72F10D = Sun Mar 6 02:27:25 UTC 2011
Do you possibly have both the SDL and legacy executables running at the same time? Check via Ctrl-Alt-Delete.
That said, none of the addresses posted so far have made even a single dwarf appear in my list. I'm going to try changing the expected_dwarf_race to 220 as one of the posters suggested, and see if that works any better.
EDIT: Actually, I think I'll redo the whole thing using v0.31.19_graphics.ini instead of v0.31.19_legacy.ini as the template. That's almost certainly the problem.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 06, 2011, 04:09:24 pm
If you have problems or want to update therapist manually, you can also download the layouts here:
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.20_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.20_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.20.ini)
Post by: Tatterdemalian on March 06, 2011, 04:14:14 pm
Post by: Carcanken on March 06, 2011, 04:45:54 pm
New layouts for linux and windows have been posted online. If you are using Dwarf Therapist 0.6.9, it should download them automatically the next time you start DT with the new version of Dwarf Fortress running. If you have a partial memory layout for v31.20, you'll want to delete it, otherwise Dwarf Therapist may not download the newest version.
If you have problems or want to update therapist manually, you can also download the layouts here:
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.20_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.20_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.20.ini)
Yay! I can finnally play .20 now! :D Thanks!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 06, 2011, 04:51:52 pm
Yay! I can finnally play .20 now! :D Thanks!
Sorry it took so long. Toady always has to release in the morning when I'm hungover and haven't had anything to drink yet.
Post by: arkhometha on March 06, 2011, 05:14:28 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 06, 2011, 06:18:38 pm
Hehe. But Thanks.Yay! I can finnally play .20 now! :D Thanks!
Sorry it took so long. Toady always has to release in the morning when I'm hungover and haven't had anything to drink yet.
Post by: Jiri Petru on March 06, 2011, 06:36:26 pm
Post by: seanb on March 06, 2011, 07:03:35 pm
Post by: LucasUP on March 06, 2011, 09:30:16 pm
Its going to be out soon.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: arkhometha on March 06, 2011, 10:49:28 pm
Post by: luisantonioa on March 06, 2011, 11:53:08 pm
[info]
checksum=0x4d743da7
version_name=v0.31.21 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e0478
dwarf_race_index=0x0150cc28
squad_vector=0x0171e758
Post by: ral on March 07, 2011, 12:42:56 am
Post by: JujuBubu on March 07, 2011, 04:43:59 am
I just updated from .19 to .21 and got zerged by about 25 migrants.
And by Armok the Therapist worked and my poor heart was relieved
Post by: Devstorm on March 07, 2011, 09:06:42 am
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 07, 2011, 09:39:49 am
I can't get Therapist to work for me in .21. I don't know what to change where to make it happen. Guess I'll just keep checking back to see if someone's had time to update Therapist.
I'll post official files later this afternoon.
Post by: djchrisblue on March 07, 2011, 01:24:27 pm
31.21 offsets are the same as 31.20.. just copy it over to a new file with the new checksum and version
[info]
checksum=0x4d743da7
version_name=v0.31.21 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e0478
dwarf_race_index=0x0150cc28
squad_vector=0x0171e758
I tried making this file and changing this information but it doesn't seem to be working. (I don't use any graphical version of DF would that make a difference?) Any help anyone can offer would be great, managing dwarves after about 10 doesn't work without DT (:
peace
Post by: utuki on March 07, 2011, 01:51:15 pm
31.21 offsets are the same as 31.20.. just copy it over to a new file with the new checksum and version
[info]
checksum=0x4d743da7
version_name=v0.31.21 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e0478
dwarf_race_index=0x0150cc28
squad_vector=0x0171e758
I tried making this file and changing this information but it doesn't seem to be working. (I don't use any graphical version of DF would that make a difference?) Any help anyone can offer would be great, managing dwarves after about 10 doesn't work without DT (:
peace
rename or copy v0.31.20_graphics.ini to v0.31.21_graphics.ini and replace first 2 sections with that. graphics(ascii graphics...) version is default one.
Post by: TowerWizard on March 07, 2011, 02:38:00 pm
Post by: Jororked Forgefire on March 07, 2011, 03:29:51 pm
31.21 offsets are the same as 31.20.. just copy it over to a new file with the new checksum and version
[info]
checksum=0x4d743da7
version_name=v0.31.21 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e0478
dwarf_race_index=0x0150cc28
squad_vector=0x0171e758
I tried making this file and changing this information but it doesn't seem to be working. (I don't use any graphical version of DF would that make a difference?) Any help anyone can offer would be great, managing dwarves after about 10 doesn't work without DT (:
peace
rename or copy v0.31.20_graphics.ini to v0.31.21_graphics.ini and replace first 2 sections with that. graphics(ascii graphics...) version is default one.
Works great, thanks.
Post by: Rude on March 07, 2011, 04:43:04 pm
31.21 offsets are the same as 31.20.. just copy it over to a new file with the new checksum and versionThanks. I've been looking for this for 2 days now.
[info]
checksum=0x4d743da7
version_name=v0.31.21 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01724250
language_vector=0x01724230
creature_vector=0x016e0478
dwarf_race_index=0x0150cc28
squad_vector=0x0171e758
rename or copy v0.31.20_graphics.ini to v0.31.21_graphics.ini and replace first 2 sections with that. graphics(ascii graphics...) version is default one.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 07, 2011, 05:40:18 pm
New layouts for linux and windows have been posted online. If you are using Dwarf Therapist 0.6.9, it should download them automatically the next time you start DT with the new version of Dwarf Fortress running. If you have a partial memory layout for v31.20, you'll want to delete it, otherwise Dwarf Therapist may not download the newest version.
If you have problems or want to update therapist manually, you can also download the layouts here:
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.20_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.20_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.20.ini)
New files are posted for 31.21.
Post by: Lysabild on March 07, 2011, 05:48:29 pm
New layouts for linux and windows have been posted online. If you are using Dwarf Therapist 0.6.9, it should download them automatically the next time you start DT with the new version of Dwarf Fortress running. If you have a partial memory layout for v31.20, you'll want to delete it, otherwise Dwarf Therapist may not download the newest version.
If you have problems or want to update therapist manually, you can also download the layouts here:
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.20_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.20_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.20.ini)
New files are posted for 31.21.
Thanks!
Post by: Devstorm on March 07, 2011, 05:48:52 pm
Post by: notfood on March 07, 2011, 07:42:08 pm
Changing the checksum doesn't work for the Linux version.
Post by: GhostDwemer on March 07, 2011, 07:45:12 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 07, 2011, 08:09:23 pm
Link directs to http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.20.iniYou can delete your local version of v0.31.21.ini and DT should download it automatically. Otherwise, I've uploaded them here as well:
Changing the checksum doesn't work for the Linux version.
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.21_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.21_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.21.ini)
Post by: notfood on March 07, 2011, 09:57:54 pm
Post by: ChristmasDwarf on March 08, 2011, 05:32:58 am
Post by: EvilGrin on March 08, 2011, 10:10:58 am
Post by: Niveras on March 08, 2011, 02:20:46 pm
Post by: Jororked Forgefire on March 08, 2011, 04:17:46 pm
That also appears to be true of Beekeeping. Although wax working and beekeeping are listed in Therapist, and Therapist correctly highlights the box for those skills, the dwarf's job title is listed as Unknown Profession. In addition, it appears that Therapist is unable to modify the profession assignments for dwarves with these unknown professions (although you can properly assign beekeeping/waxworking/etc to other dwarves, as long as they did not migrate in assigned with those professions). You can change their custom profession name via Therapist, but not their assigned professions.
Confirming this problem. Immigrants with the newer skills seem to trip up the program a bit.
Post by: ral on March 09, 2011, 03:45:38 pm
Post by: Seriyu on March 10, 2011, 03:52:48 am
Post by: MonkeyHead on March 10, 2011, 12:32:17 pm
Post by: GhostDwemer on March 10, 2011, 07:58:05 pm
Hmm, this "not able to assign jobs to beekepers" thing is annoying. any ideas anyone as to how solve it?
Go into etc, open game_data, find the [professions] section, change the next line to
Code: [Select]
size=105 at the end of the section, add this:
Code: [Select]
105/name = Beekeeper
105/id = 104Post by: GhostDwemer on March 10, 2011, 10:17:26 pm
put this after the [professions] tag:
Code: [Select]
size=106and this at the end
Code: [Select]
105/name = Beekeeper
105/id = 104
106/name = Waxworker
106/id = 105but you get the idea, right? When you find a dwarf who has an unknown profession, mouse over his icon and it will say something like "unknown profession ID 106" or whatever, just look at his profession name, put that and the id at the end of the section, and update the size.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 10, 2011, 10:31:28 pm
Also, Morrowind right ;)
Post by: GhostDwemer on March 10, 2011, 11:40:26 pm
Quote from: Jeoshua link=topic=66525.msg2064165#msg2064165 date=1299814288
Also, Morrowind right ;)
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Also, Morrowind right ;)
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Hehe, don't you hate it when all the dwarf civilizations die out before the game starts? The Elder Scrolls series is pretty fun, I hear they are coming out with a new Nord based one next year.
Post by: MonkeyHead on March 11, 2011, 11:44:56 am
EDIT...
FYI, that fix now allows me to write and read changes to assigned labours for beekeepers and waxworkers, but doest display thier skills.
Post by: Pukako on March 12, 2011, 02:50:08 am
Anyway, can assign tasks, but have no idea what the 'unknown' skill is - used to be strategy, now can be any of the bee related tasks? Oh, well.
Post by: gu1dry on March 12, 2011, 02:58:10 am
Post by: FGK dwarf on March 12, 2011, 10:28:04 am
Yea, thanks muchly. a lot easier than i worried it might be.
EDIT...
FYI, that fix now allows me to write and read changes to assigned labours for beekeepers and waxworkers, but doest display thier skills.
If you change 73/skill = -1 to 73/skill = 115 in the [labours] list, and add a new line to [skill_names] as follows: 115 = Wax Worker, it will correctly identify the Wax Worker skill when you mouse-over the dwarf's name. I haven't got it to display the little blob in the table correctly though.
Post by: Dwarfnorris101 on March 12, 2011, 04:38:21 pm
Post by: Ghills on March 12, 2011, 08:53:41 pm
I just built Dwarf Therapist from the latest code on Google Code project page & thought I share, link (http://www.mediafire.com/?ayy79y2f0rwvay9). If people would like me to continue sharing, just let me know & I will do.
Thanks! If you would keep doing that it would be great.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 15, 2011, 06:44:37 pm
See first page.
Ubuntu packages are building and should be posted shortly.
Debian packages are not currently building due to keystore issues between the two distros.
Post by: tolkafox on March 15, 2011, 08:50:41 pm
using 6.9 got from the new lazy newb pack...all my dorfs are listed as first name unknownunknown ..way to fix this?
Did you try to load DT before you had a fortress up? I got this all the time before I disabled auto load on startup. If so the solution is simple: don't do that.
Post by: Newbunkle on March 17, 2011, 09:13:55 am
Dwarf Therapist 0.6.10 released with official 0.31.21 support (fixes Beekeeper/Waxworker issues)
See first page.
Ubuntu packages are building and should be posted shortly.
Debian packages are not currently building due to keystore issues between the two distros.
Yay! Thanks!!
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 17, 2011, 11:04:38 am
;D
Post by: profit on March 18, 2011, 11:40:16 am
When will this be updated for 0.31.22?!
;D
LOL!!!!
Maybe after 0.31.22 comes out, but that is just a guess of course =p
Post by: vityav on March 19, 2011, 04:37:03 pm
Dwarf Therapist 0.6.10 released with official 0.31.21 support (fixes Beekeeper/Waxworker issues)
See first page.
Ubuntu packages are building and should be posted shortly.
Debian packages are not currently building due to keystore issues between the two distros.
I feel like I'm missing something...
The latest linux alpha is 0.6.4, but the latest ubuntu release is 0.6.10. Is there a way to get a non-deb 0.6.10? Compiling freaks out about ui_scannerdialog.h (I see no make instruction for it). My fedora installation will thank you :)
Edit: If anybody comes across this in the future, the issue seemed to be using qmake from a qt3 package instead of qt4.
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 19, 2011, 05:14:57 pm
I had to do it, it was too quiet in hereWhen will this be updated for 0.31.22?!
;D
LOL!!!!
Maybe after 0.31.22 comes out, but that is just a guess of course =p
Post by: MonkeyHead on March 20, 2011, 06:34:13 am
AFAIR in older forms of therapist, the fortress gaurd was filtered under the sqaud option like any other body of troops. This no longer seems to be the case. Can anyone else confirm this or is the issue with an action on my behalf?
???
EDIT: Nevermind. After reloading DF therapist sorted them into a squad correctly.
Post by: utuki on March 22, 2011, 02:06:30 pm
Hmm...
AFAIR in older forms of therapist, the fortress gaurd was filtered under the sqaud option like any other body of troops. This no longer seems to be the case. Can anyone else confirm this or is the issue with an action on my behalf?
???
EDIT: Nevermind. After reloading DF therapist sorted them into a squad correctly.
same, 0.6.10 stopped recognising squads, fixed by reloading df.
Post by: Neowulf on March 23, 2011, 05:01:59 pm
Same.Hmm...
AFAIR in older forms of therapist, the fortress gaurd was filtered under the sqaud option like any other body of troops. This no longer seems to be the case. Can anyone else confirm this or is the issue with an action on my behalf?
???
EDIT: Nevermind. After reloading DF therapist sorted them into a squad correctly.
same, 0.6.10 stopped recognising squads, fixed by reloading df.
Hazarding a guess here, the squad offset is wrong? It looks like it's reading from save state data instead of the active data.
Post by: FireFoxx80 on March 24, 2011, 07:54:25 am
[info]
checksum=0x4d8b30fc
version_name=v0.31.22 (graphics)
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01707270
language_vector=0x01707250
creature_vector=0x030ff14c
dwarf_race_index=0x00000000
squad_vector=0x00000000
Post by: FireFoxx80 on March 24, 2011, 08:07:14 am
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.891 DEBUG core "Scanned 299,864,064MB in 1,209ms" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:228] (scan_mem)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.891 DEBUG core PTR 10817dd "" [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:77] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.891 DEBUG core MATCH! offset 46 2e [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:80] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.891 DEBUG core READ ADDR FROM 108180b = 215fc28 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:82] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.891 DEBUG core RACE VALUE 233 HEX e9 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:84] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.891 DEBUG core PTR 108198d "" [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:77] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.891 DEBUG core MATCH! offset 31 1f [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:80] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.891 DEBUG core READ ADDR FROM 10819ac = 215fc28 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:82] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.891 DEBUG core RACE VALUE 233 HEX e9 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:84] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.892 DEBUG core PTR 124c743 "" [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:77] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.892 DEBUG core MATCH! offset 28 1c [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:80] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.892 DEBUG core READ ADDR FROM 124c75f = 215fc28 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:82] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.892 DEBUG core RACE VALUE 233 HEX e9 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:84] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.892 DEBUG core PTR 160ed17 "" [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:77] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.892 DEBUG core MATCH! offset 25 19 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:80] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.892 DEBUG core READ ADDR FROM 160ed30 = 215fc28 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:82] (go)
2011-Mar-24 13:02:24.892 DEBUG core RACE VALUE 233 HEX e9 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:84] (go)
Post by: notfood on March 24, 2011, 11:07:45 am
Post by: Kogut on March 24, 2011, 11:43:43 am
Post by: Snickersnak on March 24, 2011, 12:39:05 pm
[info]
checksum=0x4d8b30fc
version_name=v0.31.22 (graphics)
complete=TRUE
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01707270
language_vector=0x01707250
creature_vector=0x016c34e8
dwarf_race_index=0x014efc28
For Windows version
Post by: Girlinhat on March 24, 2011, 12:43:12 pm
Post by: slink on March 24, 2011, 12:49:08 pm
And this gets Therapist to run with .22? How would a layman apply this knowledge?
Go into etc/memory_layouts/windows.
Make a copy of v0.31.21_graphics.ini
Rename it to v0.31.22_graphics.ini
Edit the top few lines to the values in the post.
Post by: Hellmoob on March 24, 2011, 12:52:04 pm
And this gets Therapist to run with .22? How would a layman apply this knowledge?
Go into your Dwarf Rapist folder, open up the subfolder called 'etc' -> 'memory layouts' -> 'windows'. Then crack open the "v0.31.21_graphics" ini file with notepad, and replace the relevant fields with the posted text. Et voila, madame.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 24, 2011, 12:57:02 pm
Post by: GauHelldragon on March 24, 2011, 12:59:39 pm
What is supposed to go in the squad_vector line? What version of Dwarf Therapist are you using anyway?
Post by: Snickersnak on March 24, 2011, 01:06:40 pm
Post by: GauHelldragon on March 24, 2011, 01:21:15 pm
Post by: Snickersnak on March 24, 2011, 01:24:13 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 24, 2011, 01:24:49 pm
Post by: slink on March 24, 2011, 01:26:49 pm
Post by: Snickersnak on March 24, 2011, 01:40:50 pm
[info]
checksum=0x4d8b30fc
version_name=v0.31.22 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01707270
language_vector=0x01707250
creature_vector=0x016c3498
dwarf_race_index=0x014efc28
squad_vector=0x00000000
Post by: GauHelldragon on March 24, 2011, 01:49:35 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 24, 2011, 02:14:00 pm
Post by: DryBones on March 24, 2011, 02:24:46 pm
Post by: Snickersnak on March 24, 2011, 02:37:00 pm
Post by: Blackice on March 24, 2011, 02:41:05 pm
Post by: slink on March 24, 2011, 03:12:41 pm
Post by: henke on March 24, 2011, 04:56:45 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 24, 2011, 06:07:05 pm
If you have problems or want to update therapist manually, you can also download the layouts here:
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.22_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.22_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.22.ini)
I will do full release this weekend, just want to be sure there isn't an immediate 31.23 like last time :)
Post by: 0x517A5D on March 24, 2011, 08:41:26 pm
The auto-update v0.31.22_graphics.ini has:
squad_vector=0x01701788
My search tool finds:
squad_vector=0x01701778
I have no running fort with a military so I can't test myself.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 24, 2011, 08:44:27 pm
I will do full release this weekend, just want to be sure there isn't an immediate 31.23 like last time :)
With the amount of simple-to-fix bugs that have been found already in .22... I'd say .23 is only a few days and/or hours away.
Post by: Thoth on March 24, 2011, 09:44:59 pm
For what it's worth...
The auto-update v0.31.22_graphics.ini has:
squad_vector=0x01701788
My search tool finds:
squad_vector=0x01701778
I have no running fort with a military so I can't test myself.
I can confirm 78 works and 88 doesnt on my fort with my one person squad.
Post by: Newbunkle on March 25, 2011, 05:16:33 pm
I will do full release this weekend, just want to be sure there isn't an immediate 31.23 like last time :)
I think Toady hinted at a quick fix for the muddied-stairs collapse bug, if that makes any difference.
Post by: MonkeyHead on March 26, 2011, 06:13:11 am
Post by: Chattox on March 26, 2011, 09:32:11 am
Post by: SombreNote on March 26, 2011, 09:40:14 am
Post by: ElTacoLad on March 26, 2011, 10:14:12 am
.23 is working with the fixes for .22 for me.
It crashes when I try to read dwarves, for me.
Post by: slink on March 26, 2011, 10:48:10 am
[info]
checksum=0x4d8de854
version_name=v0.31.23 (graphics)
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01708270
language_vector=0x01708250
creature_vector=0x02324498
Post by: marcbyrne on March 26, 2011, 12:12:23 pm
Post by: khearn on March 26, 2011, 12:28:06 pm
Can't get the squad_vector, though. And it still won't read the dwarves. :-(
Keith
Post by: c4rb0nd8r on March 26, 2011, 12:31:22 pm
[info]
checksum=0x4d8de854
version_name=v0.31.23 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01708270
language_vector=0x01708250
creature_vector=0x016c4498
dwarf_race_index=0x014f0c28
squad_vector=0x01702778
Post by: khearn on March 26, 2011, 12:35:22 pm
Edit: I hadn't set complete=true. Once I set that, it reads the dwarves on startup. \0/
Keith
Post by: BulMaster on March 26, 2011, 12:35:59 pm
I have no idea what I'm doing, but this seems to work:
[info]
checksum=0x4d8de854
version_name=v0.31.23 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01708270
language_vector=0x01708250
creature_vector=0x016c4498
dwarf_race_index=0x014f0c28
squad_vector=0x01702778
Indeed! Works for me too! Many thanks!
Post by: slink on March 26, 2011, 12:39:52 pm
Post by: seanb on March 26, 2011, 01:12:35 pm
I have no idea what I'm doing, but this seems to work:
[info]
checksum=0x4d8de854
version_name=v0.31.23 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01708270
language_vector=0x01708250
creature_vector=0x016c4498
dwarf_race_index=0x014f0c28
squad_vector=0x01702778
Can someone briefly explain how to get this info imported to DT?
Post by: Lav on March 26, 2011, 01:17:32 pm
Screenshot attached.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ullallulloo on March 26, 2011, 01:23:05 pm
I believe that you take .22's .ini file, make a renamed copy for .23 and replace the first few lines with that.I have no idea what I'm doing, but this seems to work:
[info]
checksum=0x4d8de854
version_name=v0.31.23 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01708270
language_vector=0x01708250
creature_vector=0x016c4498
dwarf_race_index=0x014f0c28
squad_vector=0x01702778
Can someone briefly explain how to get this info imported to DT?
Post by: notfood on March 26, 2011, 01:31:40 pm
Ah, the pain...
Post by: seanb on March 26, 2011, 01:33:11 pm
Post by: MonkeyHead on March 26, 2011, 01:42:08 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 26, 2011, 02:29:09 pm
If you have problems or want to update therapist manually, you can also download the layouts here:
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.23_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.23_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.23.ini)
Full release is coming, pending a few bugfixes.
Post by: notfood on March 26, 2011, 03:06:10 pm
Post by: LoSboccacc on March 26, 2011, 03:39:16 pm
restarted and everything is okay (downloaded layout and read all dwarves and all).
Post by: DwarvenInsanity on March 26, 2011, 05:56:15 pm
I just got a migrant wave and wanted to change what they are doing in dwarf therapist. But I could enable anything, when I clicked, nothing happened. Why?
Thanks!
Post by: Urist_McArathos on March 26, 2011, 09:40:27 pm
A minor display bug in DF Therapist - Beekeeping skill and xp level do not show properly in the table, even though Therapist correctly extracts this information from game memory and displays in dwarf summary popup.
Screenshot attached.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have a related bug; migrants with the "Beekeeper" profession cannot have beekeeping enabled or disabled through TheRapist. Other dwarves can, but migrants that ARRIVE as "Beekeepers" need this profession enabled or disabled in game only. It only happens with migrant beekeepers; dwarves who have other profession titles can have beekeeping enabled or disabled as normal. I have not leveled up a beekeeper to test if this is a bug with migrants only, or if it applies to any dwarf that gains the "Beekeeper" profession.
Post by: slink on March 27, 2011, 09:26:32 am
checksum=0x4d8f39f9
version_name=v0.31.24 (graphics)
Post by: Kogut on March 27, 2011, 09:48:10 am
EDIT: It is working!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 27, 2011, 11:14:22 am
If you have problems or want to update therapist manually, you can also download the layouts here:
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.24_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.24_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.24.ini)
Full release is still coming, pending a few bugfixes (And want to wait for the DF release to settle.)
Post by: notfood on March 27, 2011, 03:11:50 pm
For some reason Dwarf Therapist connects but when it attempt to read the dwarves it says DwarfFortress has stopped running.
I am using latest hg pull.
- edit -
Sorry, make clean & make fixed it somehow.
- edit 2 -
No, something is definitely wrong. Now it only reads wave 1 even though I have gotten two more waves of migrants.
- edit 3 -
Well, a workaround is saving & reloading in DwarfFortress then reading the values again. I didn't notice it at first because it was a new fortress (the stopped running issue), loading the same fortress pulled data but then no more waves got registered.
It seems to be reading the save data instead of the memory data.
I will perform a hg rollback and see if it's something that was updated.
Post by: Urist_McArathos on March 27, 2011, 05:11:00 pm
A minor display bug in DF Therapist - Beekeeping skill and xp level do not show properly in the table, even though Therapist correctly extracts this information from game memory and displays in dwarf summary popup.
Screenshot attached.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have a related bug; migrants with the "Beekeeper" profession cannot have beekeeping enabled or disabled through TheRapist. Other dwarves can, but migrants that ARRIVE as "Beekeepers" need this profession enabled or disabled in game only. It only happens with migrant beekeepers; dwarves who have other profession titles can have beekeeping enabled or disabled as normal. I have not leveled up a beekeeper to test if this is a bug with migrants only, or if it applies to any dwarf that gains the "Beekeeper" profession.
Related bug: waxworking is shown as an "UNKNOWN" profession. Like with beekeepers, migrant waxworkers cannot have it enabled or disabled via TheRapist (other dwarves can as normal). Odd, possibly related sidenote: Migrant beekeepers or waxworkers can't have EITHER labor enabled or disabled via TheRapist. If a dwarf is a, say, High Master Beekeeper, you cannot use the program to disable beekeeping OR enable wax working, same if he's a "High Master UNKNOWN" (currently how wax workers are displayed): cannot disable wax working or enable beekeeping.
Post by: Niveras on March 27, 2011, 06:10:27 pm
Hmm, this "not able to assign jobs to beekepers" thing is annoying. any ideas anyone as to how solve it?
Go into etc, open game_data, find the [professions] section, put this after the [professions] tag:Code: [Select]size=106
and this at the endCode: [Select]105/name = Beekeeper
105/id = 104
106/name = Waxworker
106/id = 105
When you find a dwarf who has an unknown profession, mouse over his icon and it will say something like "unknown profession ID 106" or whatever, just look at his profession name, put that and the id at the end of the section, and update the size.
Post by: UberNube on March 27, 2011, 06:41:40 pm
Running Dwarf Fortress 0.31.24 in Linux.
For some reason Dwarf Therapist connects but when it attempt to read the dwarves it says DwarfFortress has stopped running.
I am using latest hg pull.
- edit -
Sorry, make clean & make fixed it somehow.
- edit 2 -
No, something is definitely wrong. Now it only reads wave 1 even though I have gotten two more waves of migrants.
- edit 3 -
Well, a workaround is saving & reloading in DwarfFortress then reading the values again. I didn't notice it at first because it was a new fortress (the stopped running issue), loading the same fortress pulled data but then no more waves got registered.
It seems to be reading the save data instead of the memory data.
I will perform a hg rollback and see if it's something that was updated.
I can confirm this bug running it under ubuntu 10.04 from the repository. Currently, whenever I try to connect to DF v0.31.24 I get the error message "Dwarf Fortress has either stopped running, or you unloaded your game. Please re-connect when a fort is loaded.". This appears to come-and-go both with saving and restarting DF, and also with time (previously it was working fine with this same session (I think)).
While I'm posting this I should probably add another bug I found under linux. DT doesn't auto-update the memory layouts unless I run it as root, and if I run it as root the layout files only have read/write permissions for root so I can't then run it as a normal user and access the layout. I have tried changing the permissions on the folder and the individual files so anyone can read+write them and that had no effect.
Post by: tolkafox on March 27, 2011, 07:44:54 pm
Vectors for .23 work for .24, so this is all you need to change.
checksum=0x4d8f39f9
version_name=v0.31.24 (graphics)
Thanks to you, and to that guy who fixed the beekeeper/waxworker bug that I though was fixed in 6.10 (at least, the assigning of the jobs was).
And to everyone else who helps fix these little things, you help people like me save the time of doing it. Or figuring out how to do it. :)
Post by: DwarvenInsanity on March 27, 2011, 09:22:01 pm
Post by: Thoth on March 28, 2011, 12:49:27 am
Does anybody have an idea for me? I just can't enable things in dwarf therapist for some dwarf from the migrant wave. To edit the initial dwarfs in Dwarf Therapist worked just fine.
Are you sure it's not a child? That's the only usual reason unless its the representative from the mountainhomes that comes with the caravan, beyond that, something is probably afoot.
Post by: Berserkenstein on March 28, 2011, 06:14:42 am
Does anybody have an idea for me? I just can't enable things in dwarf therapist for some dwarf from the migrant wave. To edit the initial dwarfs in Dwarf Therapist worked just fine.
Are you sure it's not a child? That's the only usual reason unless its the representative from the mountainhomes that comes with the caravan, beyond that, something is probably afoot.
If there is a dwarven trade caravan, Dwarf Therapist will list the guards as well.
Post by: Urist_McArathos on March 28, 2011, 08:47:14 am
There was actually a fairly simple fix to that issue a couple pages back, before the .22 release, but I guess it didn't make it into the official Therapist update:Hmm, this "not able to assign jobs to beekepers" thing is annoying. any ideas anyone as to how solve it?
Go into etc, open game_data, find the [professions] section, put this after the [professions] tag:Code: [Select]size=106
and this at the endCode: [Select]105/name = Beekeeper
105/id = 104
106/name = Waxworker
106/id = 105
When you find a dwarf who has an unknown profession, mouse over his icon and it will say something like "unknown profession ID 106" or whatever, just look at his profession name, put that and the id at the end of the section, and update the size.
Thanks very much for pointing me to the fix. However, I felt that if it still hadn't been resolved it was worth mentioning as a current bug, in case it was being overlooked. However, now that I have a solution I'm happy.
Post by: Ferret on March 28, 2011, 11:34:26 am
I can't confirm that it works 100% but haven't noticed any issues so far.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: slink on March 28, 2011, 01:24:57 pm
Post by: veok on March 28, 2011, 02:18:51 pm
So far I've found this works with the latest version. (0.31.25)
I can't confirm that it works 100% but haven't noticed any issues so far.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
How can I use this to get Therapist to work with .25?
Post by: tolkafox on March 28, 2011, 02:46:23 pm
Duplicate the latest (should be 31.21_graphics) and rename the copy 31.35. Replace it's text with what is shown.
Post by: veok on March 28, 2011, 02:52:59 pm
DT/etc/memory_layouts/windows/
Duplicate the latest (should be 31.21_graphics) and rename the copy 31.35. Replace it's text with what is shown.
Okay. Will do. Thanks.
Post by: nenjin on March 28, 2011, 03:09:01 pm
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2011, 05:38:49 pm
I'm running 0.31.23 at the moment.
Addition: I was able to confirm that the offset in the INI file is correct (0x003c for me) and I see the c-string located at that offset. I told DT to change the custom profession name and the pointer to a c string did not change, and the memory pointed to did not change either.
So, I think it's just broken right now.
Post by: billybobfred on March 28, 2011, 06:48:08 pm
I can't confirm that it works 100% but haven't noticed any issues so far.
Well, it thinks "Make rock mugs" is "Forge rope", but as long as it can detect idlers and mass-assign labors (fyi it can), I'm not too bothered.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 28, 2011, 06:59:14 pm
If you have problems or want to update therapist manually, you can also download the layouts here:
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.25_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.25_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.25.ini)
There will be a release.
I'm less sure of when.
Post by: peterix on March 28, 2011, 09:51:33 pm
Addition: I was able to confirm that the offset in the INI file is correct (0x003c for me) and I see the c-string located at that offset. I told DT to change the custom profession name and the pointer to a c string did not change, and the memory pointed to did not change either.It is NOT a C string. It's a STL string. That's a big difference.
STL strings on windows (programs compiled with MSVC) have a small fixed buffer of 16 bytes that can be set without allocating extra memory. On linux, there's no such buffer, just dynamically allocated string. It's not possible to manipulate that safely without some extra hacks in place.
I don't know how DT handles it, but it should be possible to set strings that have been already allocated to values that are equally long or shorter.
Post by: vrga on March 29, 2011, 07:11:56 pm
Post by: Daskinor on April 03, 2011, 05:18:29 am
Running 64 bit Linux compiled from source pulled from the hg tree as of current date (identifying itself as v0.6.11), and also under gentoo. I've also checked and compiled the latest of all the packages DT uses that are dynamically linked against the DT binary - still no improvement.
For the curious these are
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
What happens is an immediate crash (that brings up gnomes 'bug-buddy' tool that cant identify the application but still offers to generate a debug trace regardless) whenever i click on any of the labour items for all dwarves listed bar.. one. Why this dwarf (a high master milker with some ability as an animal trainer, fisher and bonecarver) is exempt from the crash I have no idea.. and it still crashes for him when I try and click on his name to bring up traits, all skill levels and xp to next level and the like - as it does for all the other dwarves.
Going back to dt circa December 30th 2010 (0.6.7 I believe) which worked perfectly under 0.31.18 also works for 0.31.25 as long as I have the newer memory_layouts for 0.31.25 and if I can live with not having any of the new skills like beekeeping, glazing and pottery represented, listed or controllable - as these options were not present at the time. Which is a far sight better than having it be completely unusable I guess, and my fortress isn't at a level yet where desperation to know who my bee-keepers are and how good they are is a burning need.
But still is bothersome. Anyone seen anything similar? Older dt versions that are working and linked against the same libraries when current ver is broken is suggestive of some new feature or capability that isnt right yet that's involved with GUI popups or setting active labors.
Post by: vrga on April 03, 2011, 07:03:37 am
Wish I could also participate in the general bug-free happy dance, but something in the latest DT crashes for me in a way that I've never seen DT do before, and have been using it since early 0.31.xyou're in a multilib enviroment, right?
Running 64 bit Linux compiled from source pulled from the hg tree as of current date (identifying itself as v0.6.11), and also under gentoo. I've also checked and compiled the latest of all the packages DT uses that are dynamically linked against the DT binary - still no improvement.
For the curious these areSpoiler (click to show/hide)
What happens is an immediate crash (that brings up gnomes 'bug-buddy' tool that cant identify the application but still offers to generate a debug trace regardless) whenever i click on any of the labour items for all dwarves listed bar.. one. Why this dwarf (a high master milker with some ability as an animal trainer, fisher and bonecarver) is exempt from the crash I have no idea.. and it still crashes for him when I try and click on his name to bring up traits, all skill levels and xp to next level and the like - as it does for all the other dwarves.
Going back to dt circa December 30th 2010 (0.6.7 I believe) which worked perfectly under 0.31.18 also works for 0.31.25 as long as I have the newer memory_layouts for 0.31.25 and if I can live with not having any of the new skills like beekeeping, glazing and pottery represented, listed or controllable - as these options were not present at the time. Which is a far sight better than having it be completely unusable I guess, and my fortress isn't at a level yet where desperation to know who my bee-keepers are and how good they are is a burning need.
But still is bothersome. Anyone seen anything similar? Older dt versions that are working and linked against the same libraries when current ver is broken is suggestive of some new feature or capability that isnt right yet that's involved with GUI popups or setting active labors.
try compiling 32-bit DT. default symlinks IIRC all point to x64 libs.
Post by: mrbaggins on April 03, 2011, 07:26:45 pm
DT/etc/memory_layouts/windows/
Duplicate the latest (should be 31.21_graphics) and rename the copy 31.35. Replace it's text with what is shown.
Did you mean "rename the copy 31.25"?
Post by: Oscard on April 05, 2011, 11:40:58 am
Post by: profit on April 05, 2011, 07:23:12 pm
Still no chance for an update version of the mac client? Is it possible to cider wrap the current client? I know the last non official version you had to target DF...I know alot of mac player dont get very far because of the time it takes to assign workers and remember which workers are doing what, looking through the in game UI for this is fairly clunky.It is open source, if you have a mac, go to it.
Post by: Oscard on April 05, 2011, 08:06:33 pm
Still no chance for an update version of the mac client? Is it possible to cider wrap the current client? I know the last non official version you had to target DF...I know alot of mac player dont get very far because of the time it takes to assign workers and remember which workers are doing what, looking through the in game UI for this is fairly clunky.It is open source, if you have a mac, go to it.
I have no way of knowing how to go about it. I guess i could look into some sort of way to do it. I have zero coding/compiling experience.
Post by: yamamushi on April 06, 2011, 09:20:06 am
Still no chance for an update version of the mac client? Is it possible to cider wrap the current client? I know the last non official version you had to target DF...I know alot of mac player dont get very far because of the time it takes to assign workers and remember which workers are doing what, looking through the in game UI for this is fairly clunky.It is open source, if you have a mac, go to it.
I have no way of knowing how to go about it. I guess i could look into some sort of way to do it. I have zero coding/compiling experience.
It doesn't look like anyone wants to take on the challenge of maintaining a Mac Dwarf Therapist build. I made a post about it on Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/gjscl/dwarf_therapist_for_mac_osx/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/gjscl/dwarf_therapist_for_mac_osx/)
It looks like there are references in place for a Mac Build, if my assumptions from my glances over the source files are correct. I had a few problems when trying to compile it in qt, but it got quite far which leads me to believe that an OSX build isn't that far off. Perhaps if I am able to get pointers from some devs in the irc room, I'd be happy to start maintaining an OSX build for the community.
If anyone can help out or can shoot me some pointers in the right direction, please send me a PM. :)
Note: I did take a look at the source code for jofarrel's build, but he was basing his code on an older release of DT and I felt like I was being pulled down the wrong path the further I dug in.
Post by: yamamushi on April 06, 2011, 04:39:17 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 06, 2011, 06:13:55 pm
Post by: ral on April 06, 2011, 06:25:24 pm
Post by: devek on April 06, 2011, 06:35:41 pm
Is the demand for a mac version really all that strong?
But it doesn't outweigh the demand to laugh at mac users.
(just kidding, mac <3)
Post by: profit on April 06, 2011, 08:37:43 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 06, 2011, 09:25:06 pm
I think the number of mac users would be significantly higher than one would expect because this is one of the very few games available for the mac that actually runs OK on a mac...For some reason this statement while probably accurate also makes me laugh. We like the game because it is one of the few games which work for us. I guess that's a good reason. :)
Post by: mrbaggins on April 07, 2011, 01:30:40 am
If I'm reading write, I get the most recent version and patch the XML file with a list of new memory addresses? Is that it?
Don't want to corrupt my fort is all.
Post by: profit on April 07, 2011, 01:49:29 am
Can someone detail the steps for getting this to work properly for .25?If you are using a windows flavor, just download the latest version and it will work. As for corrupting your fort, DT is unlikely in the extreme to do that, however DF IS NOT! There is a seasonal and autobackup option. USE THEM! trust me!!!!!! *has had to go back due to crash bugs MULTIPLE times.
If I'm reading write, I get the most recent version and patch the XML file with a list of new memory addresses? Is that it?
Don't want to corrupt my fort is all.
Post by: OnyxIdol on April 07, 2011, 12:49:44 pm
Post by: OnyxIdol on April 07, 2011, 12:56:54 pm
Post by: Oscard on April 07, 2011, 06:22:01 pm
Post by: ral on April 07, 2011, 07:13:12 pm
Post by: Dark_T_Zeratul on April 07, 2011, 07:53:05 pm
New layouts for linux and windows version 0.31.22 have been posted online. If you are using Dwarf Therapist 0.6.9 or later, it should download them automatically the next time you start DT with the new version of Dwarf Fortress running.This feature is AWESOME. Thank you so much!
Post by: crappypappy on April 09, 2011, 07:06:09 pm
Post by: Eldrick Tobin on April 10, 2011, 12:35:34 am
erm maybe its just me but it shows all ym dwarfs first names but after that it just say unkownunknown for every dwarfs last names any ideas?
I see that when DF is running before DT sometimes. Then I restart DT and it connects and populates on its own. Other than that no other ideas. It works for me.
Post by: crappypappy on April 10, 2011, 01:25:16 am
Post by: Daskinor on April 10, 2011, 02:18:18 am
Wish I could also participate in the general bug-free happy dance, but something in the latest DT crashes for me in a way that I've never seen DT do before, and have been using it since early 0.31.xyou're in a multilib enviroment, right?
Running 64 bit Linux compiled from source pulled from the hg tree as of current date (identifying itself as v0.6.11), and also under gentoo. I've also checked and compiled the latest of all the packages DT uses that are dynamically linked against the DT binary - still no improvement.
For the curious these areSpoiler (click to show/hide)
What happens is an immediate crash (that brings up gnomes 'bug-buddy' tool that cant identify the application but still offers to generate a debug trace regardless) whenever i click on any of the labour items for all dwarves listed bar.. one. Why this dwarf (a high master milker with some ability as an animal trainer, fisher and bonecarver) is exempt from the crash I have no idea.. and it still crashes for him when I try and click on his name to bring up traits, all skill levels and xp to next level and the like - as it does for all the other dwarves.
Going back to dt circa December 30th 2010 (0.6.7 I believe) which worked perfectly under 0.31.18 also works for 0.31.25 as long as I have the newer memory_layouts for 0.31.25 and if I can live with not having any of the new skills like beekeeping, glazing and pottery represented, listed or controllable - as these options were not present at the time. Which is a far sight better than having it be completely unusable I guess, and my fortress isn't at a level yet where desperation to know who my bee-keepers are and how good they are is a burning need.
But still is bothersome. Anyone seen anything similar? Older dt versions that are working and linked against the same libraries when current ver is broken is suggestive of some new feature or capability that isnt right yet that's involved with GUI popups or setting active labors.
try compiling 32-bit DT. default symlinks IIRC all point to x64 libs.
Thanks for the suggestion, yes i am in a multilib environment. What worked for me was getting 0.6.10 versioned-source rather than what was latest in Mercurial which apparently still has at least the bug i encountered. As there is no clear way to download source bundles for 0.6.10 or any other specific release, i was able to do this via the -C flag to hg thus:
$ hg update -C 0.6.10
11 files updated, 0 files merged, 12 files removed, 0 files unresolved
then recompiling as normal. 0.6.10 works nicely.
Post by: MasterMorality on April 14, 2011, 06:35:20 am
Post by: Kogut on April 14, 2011, 09:09:53 am
I'm surprised Toady hasn't taken it upon himself to implement a similar system in place the existing, as a standard game component.Because implemented as separate project is easier for him?
Feature request: ability to set the set nickname for multiple dwarfs.
Post by: Blah on April 14, 2011, 09:22:08 am
A table showing the wiki's info on which attributes improves which jobs would also be nice.
Post by: MasterMorality on April 14, 2011, 10:13:04 am
I'm surprised Toady hasn't taken it upon himself to implement a similar system in place the existing, as a standard game component.Because implemented as separate project is easier for him?
Feature request: ability to set the set nickname for multiple dwarfs.
That does make sense, but with the scale of the game and the fact that not everybody who plays it will run to the forums for DT,
given how much of a learning curve this game has and the fact that it frequently does send people screaming in terror away from it upon first try, this type of add on might not be such a bad idea to implement as a standard mechanic, if only to take the edge off.
Still, pipe dream.
Post by: AriRashkae on April 14, 2011, 03:21:58 pm
I would use it. I'm actually playing DF on a pc right now simply due to the lack of dwarf therapist on os x. My mac might actually be faster too.
Exactly the same situation as me. :D I'm toying with the idea of a port, but have less than no clue what to do! We must to reee-search! ;D
Post by: _DivideByZero_ on April 14, 2011, 07:11:53 pm
Post by: Ledi on April 14, 2011, 11:32:04 pm
Let us have a tab for animals. Include age, gender, fat/muscle/size and let us toggle slaughtering.
Why yes, I am sick of not being able to view size from the kitchen tab, or easily view gender from the unit tab without having to view the animal, and I only want my fattest and musclebound giants to survive to breed. XD
...I also know how crazy this request is, and it's more of a wish than a request for Therapist as it currently stands. >.>
Post by: profit on April 14, 2011, 11:43:56 pm
Old feature request from another thread, guess I should put it here since it's sort of a therapist thing...
Let us have a tab for animals. Include age, gender, fat/muscle/size and let us toggle slaughtering.
Why yes, I am sick of not being able to view size from the kitchen tab, or easily view gender from the unit tab without having to view the animal, and I only want my fattest and musclebound giants to survive to breed. XD
...I also know how crazy this request is, and it's more of a wish than a request for Therapist as it currently stands. >.>
Actually it is not that crazy of a request. I think it fits very nicely into the vision statement of DT. And I would prefer to see it in DT than its other natural fit Dwarf Foreman.
(And now that I think about it, dwarf foreman does not have any of the "Homework" done for this like Therapist does. DT has almost all of the infrastructure, it just needs to display it and allow you to toggle the slaughter bit. )
Post by: Undeadlord on April 17, 2011, 08:04:47 pm
Old feature request from another thread, guess I should put it here since it's sort of a therapist thing...
Let us have a tab for animals. Include age, gender, fat/muscle/size and let us toggle slaughtering.
Why yes, I am sick of not being able to view size from the kitchen tab, or easily view gender from the unit tab without having to view the animal, and I only want my fattest and musclebound giants to survive to breed. XD
...I also know how crazy this request is, and it's more of a wish than a request for Therapist as it currently stands. >.>
Actually it is not that crazy of a request. I think it fits very nicely into the vision statement of DT. And I would prefer to see it in DT than its other natural fit Dwarf Foreman.
(And now that I think about it, dwarf foreman does not have any of the "Homework" done for this like Therapist does. DT has almost all of the infrastructure, it just needs to display it and allow you to toggle the slaughter bit. )
If I can add a vote for this, please!! I love DT, and I think the animal idea, like was mentioned would seem fit very well into the infrastructure. I hope it can happen!!!
Post by: Merkuri on April 17, 2011, 09:15:23 pm
Post by: melpomenee on April 21, 2011, 11:27:42 am
I'd like to third the idea of being able to manage animals with Dwarf Therapist.
Needs a business merger between DT and Runesmith! I second the animal management idea as well!
Post by: Refpeuk on April 21, 2011, 03:14:15 pm
Thanks!
Post by: Kogut on April 21, 2011, 03:18:34 pm
New layouts for linux and windows version 0.31.25 have been posted online. If you are using Dwarf Therapist 0.6.9 or later, it should download them automatically the next time you start DT with the new version of Dwarf Fortress running. If you have a partial memory layout for v31.25, you'll want to delete it, otherwise Dwarf Therapist may not download the newest version.
If you have problems or want to update therapist manually, you can also download the layouts here:
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.25_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.25_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.25.ini)
There will be a release.
I'm less sure of when.
Post by: profit on April 21, 2011, 03:55:12 pm
Needs a business merger between DT and Runesmith!
It is not in the vision statement for DT. And it is specifically where the creator did not want to go. DT = Helper tools, Cheat programs = Separate.
Post by: Refpeuk on April 21, 2011, 04:07:10 pm
New layouts for linux and windows version 0.31.25 have been posted online. If you are using Dwarf Therapist 0.6.9 or later, it should download them automatically the next time you start DT with the new version of Dwarf Fortress running. If you have a partial memory layout for v31.25, you'll want to delete it, otherwise Dwarf Therapist may not download the newest version.
If you have problems or want to update therapist manually, you can also download the layouts here:
- Windows SDL (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.25_graphics.ini)
- Windows Legacy (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.31.25_legacy.ini)
- Linux (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.31.25.ini)
There will be a release.
I'm less sure of when.
Thanks a ton! Works like a charm. This fixes most of what I hated about the DF interface!
Post by: JoeCroqueta on April 21, 2011, 04:40:31 pm
It would be great to play DF in the laptop when I travel :)
I downloaded the Mac port and tried to make a new memory layout, but the scanning does not seem to work. At least if anyone could share their layouts for new versions... :)
Post by: vhappylurker on April 22, 2011, 01:13:04 pm
It is not in the vision statement for DT. And it is specifically where the creator did not want to go. DT = Helper tools, Cheat programs = Separate.
Given that you can use DT to set nobles, children, and babies to labor in your fortress and get called out for cheating by using this option, I'd say DT is cheat program. You could argue that almost anything that's not vanilla Fortress is a cheat.
As for additions, I'm of the opinion that having a tab for animals would be a very helpful addition, since it'd make tracking the best breeding stock, culling out extraneous critters, and other animal management duties much easier. It'd be nice to see pasturing/caging of animals (and maybe other things...) be a toggle-able feature as well. It would also be kind of neat to have an option to tame prisoners for use as slave labor
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 22, 2011, 06:55:24 pm
Post by: ClubFoot on April 22, 2011, 11:30:13 pm
thanks.
Post by: Kogut on April 23, 2011, 04:54:33 am
Why? Long nicknames are legal in DF.
Spoiler: Long nickname, layout breaking (click to show/hide)
Post by: devek on April 23, 2011, 05:23:55 am
(http://www.img.ie/4941c.png)
Why? Long nicknames are legal in DF.Spoiler: Long nickname, layout breaking (click to show/hide)
The max stl strength length you can modify in a windows C++ program is 16 bytes. There is a way around it on windows at least, but it would be super retarded to implement something so complex when no one needs Therapist to assign long nicknames :P
Post by: Kogut on April 23, 2011, 05:53:40 am
Post by: Andir on April 23, 2011, 07:54:04 am
So "no one" is asking about ability to assign the same nickname to multiple dwarves.What does assigning the same nickname and nickname length have to do with each other?
Post by: Kogut on April 23, 2011, 07:57:13 am
thisSo "no one" is asking about ability to assign the same nickname to multiple dwarves.What does assigning the same nickname and nickname length have to do with each other?
Post by: peterix on April 23, 2011, 08:18:31 am
Everything. ... or nothing, if you want to crash the game.thisSo "no one" is asking about ability to assign the same nickname to multiple dwarves.What does assigning the same nickname and nickname length have to do with each other?
Post by: Andir on April 23, 2011, 08:48:47 am
Ok, consider me thoroughly confused.thisSo "no one" is asking about ability to assign the same nickname to multiple dwarves.What does assigning the same nickname and nickname length have to do with each other?
Post by: ral on April 23, 2011, 11:06:41 am
Is there a currently suggested alternative for mac users?
Nope.... The best you can do (that I know of) is use the u command in the game to get an (unsorted) list of dwarves, then select one and zoom to it to set labors, etc.
Post by: profit on April 24, 2011, 10:13:24 pm
It is not in the vision statement for DT. And it is specifically where the creator did not want to go. DT = Helper tools, Cheat programs = Separate.
Given that you can use DT to set nobles, children, and babies to labor in your fortress and get called out for cheating by using this option, I'd say DT is cheat program. You could argue that almost anything that's not vanilla Fortress is a cheat.
As for additions, I'm of the opinion that having a tab for animals would be a very helpful addition, since it'd make tracking the best breeding stock, culling out extraneous critters, and other animal management duties much easier. It'd be nice to see pasturing/caging of animals (and maybe other things...) be a toggle-able feature as well. It would also be kind of neat to have an option to tame prisoners for use as slave laboror food, but that might be a bit much...
Please read the vision statement as I mentioned before posting things like this. Those things were bugs, and they were moved to options because of the way the behaviors work but will probably be gone one day.
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/VisionStatement
Post by: Ledi on April 26, 2011, 05:18:49 am
It is not in the vision statement for DT. And it is specifically where the creator did not want to go. DT = Helper tools, Cheat programs = Separate.
Given that you can use DT to set nobles, children, and babies to labor in your fortress and get called out for cheating by using this option, I'd say DT is cheat program. You could argue that almost anything that's not vanilla Fortress is a cheat.
As for additions, I'm of the opinion that having a tab for animals would be a very helpful addition, since it'd make tracking the best breeding stock, culling out extraneous critters, and other animal management duties much easier. It'd be nice to see pasturing/caging of animals (and maybe other things...) be a toggle-able feature as well. It would also be kind of neat to have an option to tame prisoners for use as slave laboror food, but that might be a bit much...
Please read the vision statement as I mentioned before posting things like this. Those things were bugs, and they were moved to options because of the way the behaviors work but will probably be gone one day.
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/VisionStatement
Well, at least a livestock tab would be within the vision statement!
(seriously, I'm drowning in poultry. My short-gap solution is to pen them all into one room then z-check all of them, setting them to slaughter as I see weak ones. Doesn't work on caged animals though, I have to go to the unit tab, count how many creatures down the weak one is (say, 5th, 9th and 12th badger boar) then go to the animal stocks screen and carefully count down the non-colour-coded animals to toggle the right ones for slaughter, and hope I haven't mis-counted. A livestock handler would be an Armoksend).
Post by: ghalidrim on April 26, 2011, 09:43:34 am
Is there a currently suggested alternative for mac users? I'm newish to the game, and really enjoying it. I've not used a manager before, but am starting to see the need. I'm not willing to reboot to another OS for it, though. I gather there's not a version of DT that'll work. sadness. How about an another manager?
From the forum here, looks like there's at least three of us working on a Mac port right now, probably would work better if we pooled our efforts. If the other two see this lets DM emails or talk on the Dwarf Therapist forums, I'm making pretty good progress with mine right now...
Post by: JoeCroqueta on April 27, 2011, 05:06:18 pm
Is there a currently suggested alternative for mac users? I'm newish to the game, and really enjoying it. I've not used a manager before, but am starting to see the need. I'm not willing to reboot to another OS for it, though. I gather there's not a version of DT that'll work. sadness. How about an another manager?
From the forum here, looks like there's at least three of us working on a Mac port right now, probably would work better if we pooled our efforts. If the other two see this lets DM emails or talk on the Dwarf Therapist forums, I'm making pretty good progress with mine right now...
Glad to hear that :)
Thanks for the effort and good luck!
Post by: ral on April 27, 2011, 06:35:52 pm
The point would not be to make it into a "cheat" program like dfusion, but to allow people to write more advanced decision support scripts like Dwarven Guidance Councilor. I suppose you could also write scripts like "for all dwarves with attribute x, enable mining and masonry labors" or something. This stuff seems like it would be within the vision statement.
I downloaded the source and the Qt creator thing, and got it building. I also got lua building as a static library under Qt creator, but I haven't written a single line of code yet.
Post by: Kogut on April 28, 2011, 08:08:11 am
This stuff seems like it would be within the vision statement.
Quote
is not intended to create a ‘game outside of the game’ in manners that extend game functionality (such as command-chaining or macros)
Post by: ral on April 28, 2011, 02:34:44 pm
In any case the idea of lua scripting would not be to implement something like custom professions; the purpose would be to allow people to write scripts to look over their dwarves and print out a list of dwarves that, because of their attributes, aren't very suited to their enabled labors, for example.
Even if we ignore the fact that "custom professions" violate the vision statement, something that's completely read-only certainly wouldn't.
Post by: Valience on April 29, 2011, 02:51:37 am
Things such as the livestock menu should be well in the vision statement. It's basically just letting you see more than just your dwarves, but see the same information.
The lua scripting should also be in the vision statement if it were limited to doing something similar to what was suggested. "Oh no, you ran a lua script which spat out a list of suggested job based on the pages of information you already have available in various locations in the game and on the wiki, you're cheating!" Get of your high horse. If I don't have the time to memorize which stats are best for every job in the game and would like a script to recommend possible good matches, that's damn well a "decision support tool" to me.
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I'd like to see some of the bugs that have been around for the past few releases fixed before anything else though. Such as strength/agility/toughess always displaying -1 and the complete lack of mental attribute reporting.
Post by: Jeoshua on April 29, 2011, 04:49:56 am
I mean, I wouldn't dislike having options for livestock, or suggested professions, or something like that.
But DwarfEngineer has a certain program he's made, and is going a certain direction with it. It's already basically required to play DF. And to ask him to do anything with this program that he doesn't want to do, then get upset when he doesn't want to do it just because it's been requested, is not only rude... it's insane.
You're not the coder. Do you even comprehend how complex a program can get? How difficult it can be to get a single thing working the way one wants? If you do, you're a programmer. Please, do it yourself. We will probably download and use it. But until you do so, please... stop trying to force others to do the work for you.
That is all.
Post by: ral on April 29, 2011, 12:39:13 pm
I wouldn't say that I'm "bitching", just that the lua idea seems to me like a good fit, based on the vision statement, and thus saying it doesn't shows that the vision statement is just unclear and causing confusion. If I'm bitching about anything it's just the lack of clarity and confusion caused by the vision statement.
Personally, I'm unwilling to fork the project and I'm not interested in arguing with anyone, especially those not making decisions, so all I really care about is the arbitrary decision of whoever owns this project.
Post by: Ledi on April 29, 2011, 12:43:04 pm
Although to be honest, I really can't see where it falls outside of the vision statement, as it's doing what it already does, just to a different group of objects.
Where is a livestock manager already in development, Jeo? I'd like to poke at it and see how it's going.
Post by: profit on April 29, 2011, 01:36:37 pm
Oh... kay. Didn't expect my silly little idea of a livestock manager to side-by-side the dwarf manager would get people to blow up like this.'
Although to be honest, I really can't see where it falls outside of the vision statement, as it's doing what it already does, just to a different group of objects.
Where is a livestock manager already in development, Jeo? I'd like to poke at it and see how it's going.
It was not your livestock manager, it was the suggestion to combine DT and runesmith. Your livestock manager fell directly inline with the vision statement.
And the person above is incorrect, there is nothing contradictory with the main program and the vision statement. There are some bugs people wanted to keep in place for a while, but they were never meant to be there. They are just a bug that gained popularity so they were kept in place as an option since they were already there.
Post by: ral on April 29, 2011, 03:31:18 pm
Post by: profit on April 29, 2011, 04:51:24 pm
Who ultimately decides what falls within the vision statement?The maintainer/coder.
In this case DwarfEngineer.
Post by: JanusTwoface on April 29, 2011, 05:13:19 pm
For that matter, it's an open source project. Seems like it wouldn't be that terribly hard to fork the project, add more features, and possibly submit a patch to the main version.
Post by: devek on April 29, 2011, 06:09:03 pm
Therapist is really good at what it does, it isn't going to be so good at doing things outside of that.
Post by: JanusTwoface on April 29, 2011, 06:11:04 pm
Post by: Valience on April 29, 2011, 06:12:26 pm
You guys do realize there are other programs in development currently that do just what you're basically bitching about, right?
I mean, I wouldn't dislike having options for livestock, or suggested professions, or something like that.
But DwarfEngineer has a certain program he's made, and is going a certain direction with it. It's already basically required to play DF. And to ask him to do anything with this program that he doesn't want to do, then get upset when he doesn't want to do it just because it's been requested, is not only rude... it's insane.
You're not the coder. Do you even comprehend how complex a program can get? How difficult it can be to get a single thing working the way one wants? If you do, you're a programmer. Please, do it yourself. We will probably download and use it. But until you do so, please... stop trying to force others to do the work for you.
That is all.
Every post of you're I've been unlucky enough to come across is you talking down to people and kissing the ass of anyone who has made a line of code. Granted, maybe I've just been unlucky enough to catch you in threads that you're agitated with, but it's really become quite annoying. You could just as easily let the project lead come and say no, or link to where they said no, instead of getting all greater than thou at everyone. My beef isn't with the maintainer saying no, which if he came in here and said it bluntly on the first post or even on the project forums, I would accept. It's actually all the people who come in and instead of simply linking to an answer on said subject or waiting till the person in charge says something, decide that they need to go off about how it doesn't fit with hot they interpret the vision statement or is hard to do and time is better spent elsewhere. As you yourself said, if you aren't coding the tool, trying to force it where you think it should go is rude and insane, right?
Further, great, there are more programs in development. So, why not just collaborate with those people and add the features into DT? Surely having one program with the ability to do several tasks is better than needing to download and run countless programs in addition to the game itself. It would even add value to DT, making it overall a better product. Shoudl it be an all-in-wonder program? No. If something fits with it being a "decision support tool", then frankly it should probably be added.
Post by: ral on April 29, 2011, 07:32:13 pm
For that matter, it's an open source project. Seems like it wouldn't be that terribly hard to fork the project, add more features, and possibly submit a patch to the main version.Forking the project means that someone has to maintain it, and merge new features into the source tree when they're added to the mainline version. It seems difficult enough to find one person who wants to maintain DT so getting two to do it and spend enough time to keep up with both would be even more difficult.
At least when it comes to the lua thing, I'd sooner just create my own fancy gui version of dfusion or something using dfhack or something rather than fork DT just to add some limited lua support.
Post by: Toady One on April 29, 2011, 11:14:39 pm
Post by: Jeoshua on April 30, 2011, 01:08:03 am
Every post of you're I've been unlucky enough to come across is you talking down to people and kissing the ass of anyone who has made a line of code. Granted, maybe I've just been unlucky enough to catch you in threads that you're agitated with, but it's really become quite annoying.And it is very unlucky. You've missed me trying to help people with questions or problems, and many suggestions and ideas that I've tried to share with others. I think it's mainly that people don't cause stinks about posts they agree with or that helped them... in those circumstances it's usually just "thanks" and the thread is done...
On the other hand, when someone disapproves, it's a WALL of text, as your post very adequately demonstrates.
Sorry if I offended you, or anyone, as that wasn't my intent.
The fact of the matter is, look how many posts DwarfEngineer has actually posted in this thread. It's not very many. Other than to tell people that he's updated Therapist to the latest version, he is remarkably silent. And I think he should be. Theres always loudmouths like myself ready to step in to talk. All he really NEEDS to do is keep his program's code healthy... and technically he doesn't really need to do that, even.
I "kiss the ass" of people who write code because I have been a coder myself. I'm in school for video game design and have had several ideas stolen from me in the past, seen great people shattered by copyrights and corporate buy-outs, etc etc. Coding ain't easy. And too often people assume that it is, or that since they use a program they have a right to tell the coder what to do. Being one myself, I react strongly against things like that, which is what you were noticing. Not ass-kissing.
Honestly I think DwarfEngineer could stand to speak to people a bit more. He's remarkably silent on a great many things. But that doesn't mean that I'm not going to defend him if I think people are being a bit upset at him for no reason.
And look! Toady One got involved! Sorry if I contributed to and flaming, Toady. I hope you understand what I was attempting to do, at least.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: profit on April 30, 2011, 01:21:44 pm
I would like to remind you all why chmod is no longer maintaining this project. He had an argument similar to this about what direction HIS project should take, how much of HIS time he should spend on it.
And in his words "OK, I am done."
I do not know DwarfEngineers tolerance for this kind of thing, but we are basically just non-paying consumers of their work, and they do not owe us anything.
This is simple truth not some form of brown nosing. I know many of us, *myself included* have a nasty entitlement mentality, but we have to look at ourselves and ask what right we have to anyone's time, talent or treasures.
Post by: ral on April 30, 2011, 02:24:19 pm
In my case I'm offering to contribute a feature to the project, but the person who is doing almost all of the work on this project not only has the right to decide what they work on, but what contributions to accept as well. Ultimately it doesn't matter if it's the vision statement, or the person in charge of the project just doesn't want to worry about maintaining it or whatever the reason is. They're doing the work, they're in charge, and so they get to make the decision based on whatever they want. I'm perfectly 100% in support of that.
Post by: profit on April 30, 2011, 04:18:03 pm
Just thought it was in the persons best interest 100 messages ago that they should know as far as everyone has been told DT was not going to become a cheat program on the level of Runesmith, and out of respect for the author and his vision thought they would just back down. LOL never realized it was going to become a major point of contention.
LOL I do hope the animal-butchery thing someone suggested does make it in sometime though =) But just as long as we have DT making DF playable it is ok =)
Post by: LoSboccacc on May 03, 2011, 02:05:09 am
I mean, aren't undead flags used in DT to filter out invalid creatures?
Post by: profit on May 03, 2011, 10:31:49 am
so, do we have to prepare ourselves for a fair bit of time without DT?
I mean, aren't undead flags used in DT to filter out invalid creatures?
It is quite possible that the underlying memory structure could change significantly this time in that respect. But it does not mean that it will not be quickly resolved.
Post by: devek on May 03, 2011, 01:18:16 pm
It isn't a big deal though, if the datastructure is changed it would only take moments to fix it.
Post by: Zorbeltuss on May 03, 2011, 01:24:42 pm
Just noting though
Post by: Neyvn on May 04, 2011, 06:19:01 pm
Did I miss an update for Therapist???
Anyone that comes in with the skills for Beekeeping (Beekeeping/Waxworking) makes them unable to be adjusted through the Therapist. What did I miss to change this problem???
Post by: VonCede on May 05, 2011, 04:01:20 am
Post by: profit on May 05, 2011, 07:51:19 am
Hi...There are a lot of problems with beekeeping inside if dwarf fortress... I have some hives and with some abusive construction based exploits was actually able to make them work ok, but I am giving you fair warning you probably will be unable to use hives that well.
Did I miss an update for Therapist???
Anyone that comes in with the skills for Beekeeping (Beekeeping/Waxworking) makes them unable to be adjusted through the Therapist. What did I miss to change this problem???
With the level of things wrong in the dwarf fortress code around hives, I cannot guess how you could tell if there was something wrong in DT.
Post by: billybobfred on May 07, 2011, 03:36:31 pm
With the level of things wrong in the dwarf fortress code around hives, I cannot guess how you could tell if there was something wrong in DT.Well, it reads them as "Unknown Profession" and refuses to change their labors unless you turn on the cheatsyface option.
It does this for Pressers and Wax Workers too.
It's a pretty tiny thing, really, compared to the actual bee-related bugs in DF itself.
Post by: Magnar on May 08, 2011, 05:19:19 am
Post by: profit on May 08, 2011, 10:57:02 am
With the level of things wrong in the dwarf fortress code around hives, I cannot guess how you could tell if there was something wrong in DT.Well, it reads them as "Unknown Profession" and refuses to change their labors unless you turn on the cheatsyface option.
It does this for Pressers and Wax Workers too.
It's a pretty tiny thing, really, compared to the actual bee-related bugs in DF itself.
You must not have the latest version, mine does such things without any fiddling.
Make sure you are running 0.6.10 (Help->About)
and are using the official memory layout, not one that has been hacked together.
Post by: billybobfred on May 08, 2011, 11:39:39 am
Post by: JoeyLemur on May 10, 2011, 02:31:29 am
My problem is that I transfer my DF stuff around between different systems, and the custom jobs wind up being different everywhere (I assume its stored under the user Application Data directory...)
Something to think about, especially with people apparently working on a Mac port.
Post by: profit on May 10, 2011, 09:34:41 am
Any chance that the bit that stores custom-defined jobs could be stored with the executable, or at least make it an option?
My problem is that I transfer my DF stuff around between different systems, and the custom jobs wind up being different everywhere (I assume its stored under the user Application Data directory...)
Something to think about, especially with people apparently working on a Mac port.
Windows 7 does not allow this a lot of times and it would cause the application to fail.
You can retrieve your custom stuff from here -> %appdata%\UDP Software\Dwarf Therapist.ini
you can put "%appdata%\UDP Software\" into any explorer window and it will pop up the directory.
Post by: Kaos on May 13, 2011, 10:04:38 am
1) Beekeeper jobs aren't graphically displayed in the grid and you can't order the grid by skill level in that profession, they show correctly in the tooltip on the dwarf name and the "Dwarf Detail" view
2) Wax worker jobs aren't graphically displayed in the grid and you can't order the grid by skill level in that profession, they show correctly in the tooltip on the dwarf name and the "Dwarf Detail" view
3) In the "Dwarf Detail" view some dwarves have an "UNKNOWN" skill... what's that supposed to be?
By the way, I suggest:
1) a tab with the Preferences (sortable of course)
2) a tab with the Attributes (sortable of course)
3) a tab with the Traits (sortable of course)
4) maybe extend the filter interface so you can select a set of attributes/traits/preferences/skills and it searches which dwarves match, it would make selecting:
nobles without impossible/difficult preferences for mandates,
appointed nobles (like the broker, manager, mayor, etc) with the appropiate traits for the role,
sheriff/captain of the guard/guards by the strength attribute (lowest of course)
engravers/workshop workers for their preferences so they don't make a "platinum statue of rat" or engrave a wall/decorate something with images of rats when your nobles detest rats
well you get the idea... right now I use Runesmith to check the attributes (no filtering nor sorting, though) and TheRapist/Runesmith to check the Traits (no filtering nor sorting, either), for the preferences and everything else you're stuck with DF "friendly" interface :-*
Great work and thanks for the application it really makes DF playable!!
Post by: Rhazak on May 13, 2011, 10:54:00 am
3) In the "Dwarf Detail" view some dwarves have an "UNKNOWN" skill... what's that supposed to be?I know one is Military Tactics (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Military_tactics) at least.
Post by: Disquiet on May 14, 2011, 11:39:08 pm
Post by: Kubouch on May 18, 2011, 03:33:47 pm
Post by: Kadaan on May 23, 2011, 07:22:42 pm
Tail of run.log show:
2011-May-23 17:19:26.961 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.03" "0x4bc3c470" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2011-May-23 17:19:26.962 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2011-May-23 17:19:26.962 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.02" "0x4bbdf378" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2011-May-23 17:19:26.962 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2011-May-23 17:19:26.962 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.01" "0x4bb45f99" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2011-May-23 17:19:26.963 ERROR core Skipping read of invalid memory layout in "C:/Users/kadaan/Documents/Dwarf Fortress/DwarfTherapist-0.6.10/etc/memory_layouts/windows/.ini" [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:39] (load_data)
2011-May-23 17:19:26.963 DEBUG core attempting to find running copy of DF by window handle [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:186] (find_running_copy)j
Windows 7 64, DF 0.31.25.
Post by: profit on May 24, 2011, 08:27:12 am
I'm having issues getting DT to work. It opens fine, but doesn't connect to DF. I can manually click the "Connect To DF" button without an error, but if I click the "Read Dwarves" button the app crashesIf you have not done so already, reboot your computer and try again.'
Make sure you are running 0.6.10 (Help->About)
Also run DT as administrator and make sure you do not have any heuristic based anti-malware programs on that might intercept DT's memory read.
also try making a new pocket world and embarking with a couple dwarves and and seeing if you can still cannot connect.
Also if you have any mods, try it with a clean version and see if one of the jobs or something is causing a crash, never heard of it, but it is a possibility...
Post by: Kadaan on May 24, 2011, 01:03:26 pm
I'm having issues getting DT to work. It opens fine, but doesn't connect to DF. I can manually click the "Connect To DF" button without an error, but if I click the "Read Dwarves" button the app crashesIf you have not done so already, reboot your computer and try again.'
Make sure you are running 0.6.10 (Help->About)
Also run DT as administrator and make sure you do not have any heuristic based anti-malware programs on that might intercept DT's memory read.
also try making a new pocket world and embarking with a couple dwarves and and seeing if you can still cannot connect.
Also if you have any mods, try it with a clean version and see if one of the jobs or something is causing a crash, never heard of it, but it is a possibility...
I installed all the windows updates pending and rebooted. Downloaded a fresh copy of DT 0.6.10 and base DF 0.31.25 with no mods. I have Symantec Endpoint Protection (required for work) but disabled everything (Antivirus/Antispyware/Proactive Threat) to test. I ran both DF and DT as administrator. Same issue, but additional errors in the log:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Anything else I can try, or additional information I can provide?
Post by: profit on May 24, 2011, 04:35:11 pm
Also run this just to make sure -> http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2702
Post by: Kadaan on May 24, 2011, 05:08:41 pm
Just to double check you are running the SDL version and not the legacy version of dwarf fortress correct?
Also run this just to make sure -> http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2702
Yep, using the windows SDL version from http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/. I ran the script that deleted the ini file, still no go :(.
It works fine on my home PC, just not at work. Maybe they have some other security besides Symantec running in the background that's blocking it.
Edit: Looks like it's trying to make a network connection, so the security policy is blocking it:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Why is DT trying to make an outbound web connection?
Post by: billybobfred on May 24, 2011, 06:05:00 pm
Post by: profit on May 24, 2011, 08:32:15 pm
if it cannot connect, the last version .6.10 will work with is v0.31.21 graphics + legacy
* it also does version checking though I think in the newest ones.
If you want to download the memory layouts for the new version manually you can get them from here -> http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=328#c2
Post by: Dwarf_Fever on May 25, 2011, 12:05:58 am
Hopefully this has not been posted already-
In certain "Group By" view modes, like "Has Nickname" you can toggle groups on just fine, like "Toggle Hauling for Has Nickname." However, it will not let you (or me at least) untoggle the group again, instead having to untoggle each of the group subsets one by one.
Suggestion
Dwarf Therapist is a great management tool, and I think it could even be a great automation program with another feature or two - hopefully it is still being developed? It seems like you could set up a few simple parameters and just fire and forget. Let DT run in the background, and if key dwarves happen to die, it will automatically take the next best choice from a less-important group and switch his jobs. I'm thinking something like this:
1. Add checkboxes to the skill columns, so they can be marked Low Priority, Mid Priority, High Priority and/or Military.
2. Add a tab for input for each of the 4 priority levels, something like:
High Priority
[X] Enable best _2_ worker(s).
[X] Enable best _1_ worker(s) per related workshop.
[ ] Disable workers with skill less than ___.
[X] Exclusive Priority skill. If chosen for this Priority, disable all other skills under _9_.
[ ] Disable other skills except healthcare skills over ___.
[X] Enable the hauling group.
[ ] Also enable [Individual skill dropdown list] if it is at least ___. (Overrides previous setting)
[ ] Exclude dwarves in [Group Dropdown List (such as Has Nickname, Profession, In a Squad, etc)]
[ ] Nickname all dwarves in this priority group _Serf_.
[ ] Military is reserved before this group.
3. Add a checkbox [Re-commit changes every 60 seconds.]
So by using this if/and/or list sort, and repeating it for the groups, highest to lowest, you could tell it stuff like "I always want the best 1 carpenter per workshop, 1 mason per workshop but a minimum of 2 even if the shops get torn down... and always turn off the other skills on those except medical if they have any skill in it... next I want the best 5 farmers, miners and hunters from whoever is left... at this point I want it to sort out every single male dwarf with at least a single point in a combat skill and nickname them "Grunt" and disable all of their skills except healthcare stuff and hunting... and lastly for every dwarf and skill left over I want to have the best 3 workers (ie a minimum) but also to enable anything left in this group that they actually have a skill point in.
Post by: Kadaan on May 25, 2011, 06:34:06 pm
Oh! no, it is checking for INI files. If it does not recognize the version it will look for and download them from the main site.
if it cannot connect, the last version .6.10 will work with is v0.31.21 graphics + legacy
* it also does version checking though I think in the newest ones.
If you want to download the memory layouts for the new version manually you can get them from here -> http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=328#c2
That worked! THANK YOU! :D
Post by: profit on May 26, 2011, 03:05:31 am
Oh! no, it is checking for INI files. If it does not recognize the version it will look for and download them from the main site.
if it cannot connect, the last version .6.10 will work with is v0.31.21 graphics + legacy
* it also does version checking though I think in the newest ones.
If you want to download the memory layouts for the new version manually you can get them from here -> http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=328#c2
That worked! THANK YOU! :D
Most welcome, Glad things are working now.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on May 26, 2011, 05:53:25 pm
Post by: nordak on May 28, 2011, 02:14:16 am
Edit: on a side note working means functional, not glitchless... still can't see the dwarves last names, or they are all of the UnkownUnkown family
Post by: PFactorial on May 29, 2011, 11:11:44 am
Post by: ghalidrim on May 29, 2011, 09:14:00 pm
Download from: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4463 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4463)
Post by: bremarv on May 30, 2011, 04:05:33 pm
How do you install it on Linux? I found a file on DFFD and i tried it. But it doesn't work...
We need some more info to help. How did you install it, how did you try to run it, did you get any error messages, that sort of stuff.
I think you should only need to extract the files and it should work by just running the executable. For me I ended up copying the executable and etc foder into the same folder and it worked, but I built it from source.
if it is a package(like .rpm) and not an archive (like .tar) you should install it using your package manager. Googling something like install rpm ubuntu (if its an rpm and you are using ubuntu) should get you some good instructions.
Post by: Psilobe on June 01, 2011, 01:26:04 pm
Post by: Kubouch on June 01, 2011, 02:42:28 pm
Post by: Lost_Deep on June 02, 2011, 03:19:11 pm
Post by: black overlord on June 04, 2011, 07:58:50 am
this happens when i run the therapist without running df too
Post by: profit on June 04, 2011, 09:55:12 am
Do you mean it fails with an error or do you mean it just goes byebye?
This sounds like it may be the fault of an oversensitive heuristics on an anti-virus program.
Try disabling your antivirus program and see if it still does it. If it does not, add DT to your exceptions, and turn it back on.
Post by: black overlord on June 04, 2011, 10:36:44 am
Post by: profit on June 04, 2011, 12:03:52 pm
I would normally charge for this, but since you are probably quite a ways away from me....
Have a friend download the CD image from here, or you can do it if your machine seems to do most things ok -> http://www.avg.com/us-en/avg-rescue-cd
Burn it to a cd, and then boot your computer from it. (you will have to press a key at bootup, usually F10, sometimes escape, and select your CD-rom drive) Then run a complete virus scan. I have no proof, but when computers start acting weird, a Pre-Installation environment virus scan is always in the cards.
The "no disk" error is most troubling, because it probably means your machine tried to access a CD-rom drive or a card reader slot for no reason.
Post by: eddyg86 on June 05, 2011, 08:07:54 am
Post by: PFactorial on June 05, 2011, 10:02:40 pm
Okay, so I used puppy linux and extracted the .tar.bz2 file to a folder. But after I click the execute button, nothing happens.How do you install it on Linux? I found a file on DFFD and i tried it. But it doesn't work...
We need some more info to help. How did you install it, how did you try to run it, did you get any error messages, that sort of stuff.
I think you should only need to extract the files and it should work by just running the executable. For me I ended up copying the executable and etc foder into the same folder and it worked, but I built it from source.
if it is a package(like .rpm) and not an archive (like .tar) you should install it using your package manager. Googling something like install rpm ubuntu (if its an rpm and you are using ubuntu) should get you some good instructions.
Post by: PFactorial on June 05, 2011, 10:16:56 pm
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4475/errorlo.png)
Post by: Tiny on June 06, 2011, 11:47:22 pm
You need to install the QT framework, it should be in whatever software mangement thing your distro uses, if not oyu can get it from http://qt.nokia.com/downloads (http://qt.nokia.com/downloads).
Post by: Peewee on June 07, 2011, 02:06:49 pm
*screen capture of textual output*
*facepalm*
For future debugging, use
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[command and switches etc. goes here] > error.txtto send the output to a easy to share text file. (in forums just share like select all -> copy -> paste in forum)
Post by: PFactorial on June 07, 2011, 06:02:53 pm
Post by: Elaxter on June 07, 2011, 08:28:56 pm
Post by: bremarv on June 08, 2011, 11:25:19 am
is it possible to not install it? or is there another thing like dwarf therapist that doesn't require it? because i dont want my linux save file to go over 325 mb...
if you are going to use DT you need to have it. Also qt don't go into the df directory, you install it on the computer, kind of like having install graphics drivers to use your graphics card.
Post by: PFactorial on June 08, 2011, 06:23:35 pm
Post by: peterix on June 08, 2011, 06:30:52 pm
so is there a program that is like dwarf therapist but doesnt require QT?Why wouldn't you get QT? Doesn't puppy linux have a package manager?
Post by: PFactorial on June 08, 2011, 10:51:23 pm
Post by: peterix on June 09, 2011, 07:38:57 am
Yes, but Qt is like 600 mbs. I'm not supposed to make my save file over around 250 mbs.Oh. I get it. You're using a weird distro that stuffs things into a mounted file (the 'save file') or something? I can tell you 64bit Qt on my machine is just 24MB while *compressed* - this is without debug symbols and documentation - just the libs and headers. You shouldn't need more space for it.
Post by: nanomagnetic on June 10, 2011, 01:57:27 am
doesn't work sadly, "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./bin/DwarfTherapist" gives me:Code: [Select]./bin/DwarfTherapist: symbol lookup error: ./bin/DwarfTherapist: undefined symbol: _ZN9QHashData14detach_helper2EPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Eii
I get the same error message when I try to run dt (The linux alpha that is). Down to the letter I think.
A search on this thread shows this linux issue was never resolved. I was able to reproduce that error by trying to run dwarf therapist .6.4 from the google code page while running 31.25
Probably not the best idea, but I thought was worth a shot after I was able to get both windows versions of DF and DT to run in wine.
So, I guess I don't have anymore insight into the undefined symbol. At the moment I'm compiling from source, and I'll see if that works out.
Post by: Andir on June 10, 2011, 09:32:56 am
Yes, but Qt is like 600 mbs. I'm not supposed to make my save file over around 250 mbs.Oh. I get it. You're using a weird distro that stuffs things into a mounted file (the 'save file') or something?
I would like more information on these solutions please. (Personal request)
Post by: Thundercraft on June 12, 2011, 09:13:09 pm
Post by: Thundercraft on June 13, 2011, 03:17:50 am
Exactly.
You probably assumed that I used the "Notify" tab. But I don't use that function very often and when I do I disable it before long.
Like Farmerbob, I use the Show new replies to your posts (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=unreadreplies) link at the very top left corner of each page. And I use this link regularly to stay on top of topics I'm interested in and have posted at least once in. Personally, I find this more useful than the Show unread posts since last visit (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=unread) link or the Notify function.
Post by: Joakim on June 15, 2011, 11:30:45 am
http://code.google.com/r/joakimisraelsson86-dwarftherapist-script-editing/
EDIT: Aah, silly me being new with Mercurial... Now that I've realized the differences between commit and push, the changes have appeared. :)
Post by: Mr.Loki on June 16, 2011, 03:41:58 pm
And I didn't find anything, when flying over the last few pages, though it probably stands somewhere...: Is there going to be a version compatible with DF .31.25 anytime soon?
Thanks for any answers in advance, Loki :)
Post by: Andir on June 16, 2011, 04:40:35 pm
Why does the therapist try to connect to the internets?If I remember correctly, it's a simple version check.
Post by: profit on June 16, 2011, 04:58:33 pm
Why does the therapist try to connect to the internets?
And I didn't find anything, when flying over the last few pages, though it probably stands somewhere...: Is there going to be a version compatible with DF .31.25 anytime soon?
Thanks for any answers in advance, Loki :)
It connects to the internet to download the memory layout for .31.25 .....
Yes... seriously...
Post by: Particleman on June 20, 2011, 04:10:59 am
Post by: Thundercraft on June 20, 2011, 04:27:29 am
I know DT is supposed to update automatically but for some reason that's not working for me. My knowledge of programming and the like is fairly limited and scattershot, so can someone please post the stuff I need to get DT 6.10 working with DF 31.25 and tell me how to apply it?Is your firewall (such as Windows Security settings) blocking DT from the Internet?
Anyway, a few pages back in the thread...
Oh! no, it is checking for INI files. If it does not recognize the version it will look for and download them from the main site.
...
[snip]
If you want to download the memory layouts for the new version manually you can get them from here -> http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=328#c2
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Comment 1 by shawn.weiner, Apr 25, 2011
It appears that you are running without the updated memory layouts for 31.25.
Download the two files that I've attached to my comment, then put them in the \etc\memory_layouts\windows within your dwarf therapist directory. This should allow your DT to work with 31.25
Post by: Particleman on June 20, 2011, 05:43:05 am
Post by: ottottott on June 23, 2011, 05:18:28 am
Post by: Dr. Hieronymous Alloy on June 23, 2011, 07:16:00 am
Post by: Chandrak on June 24, 2011, 04:27:17 pm
Hi! I was wondering, is there any way to use this for .25? It says, that the last supported version is .21, but... with some changes to a file or two, it's possible, right?
It works, at least on Windows 7 64bit. When I told it to read the dwarves the first time, it bombed, but when I opened it again it detected that there was an update. Whoever updated it got it working for .25; it works fine for me, though it a little slow, like sometimes you have to click repeatedly on things to get it to sort. But it works. I used it all through today.
Post by: Eldrick Tobin on June 24, 2011, 04:38:39 pm
Hi! I was wondering, is there any way to use this for .25? It says, that the last supported version is .21, but... with some changes to a file or two, it's possible, right?
Why does the therapist try to connect to the internets?
And I didn't find anything, when flying over the last few pages, though it probably stands somewhere...: Is there going to be a version compatible with DF .31.25 anytime soon?
Thanks for any answers in advance, Loki :)
It connects to the internet to download the memory layout for .31.25 .....
Yes... seriously...
Post by: ottottott on June 25, 2011, 12:34:16 am
Am I allowed to delete older memory layouts if I don't use DT with those versions anymore?
Also, why are there two memory layouts for each version? Do I need both?
Post by: profit on June 25, 2011, 08:50:18 am
Um... Damn! I went and did this manually...
Am I allowed to delete older memory layouts if I don't use DT with those versions anymore?
Also, why are there two memory layouts for each version? Do I need both?
There are 2 versions of dwarf fortress, the SDL version and the Legacy version. Your memory layout has to match the version you have. If you are using .25 SDL you can remove the memory layouts and it will redownload the one you need.
BTW make sure you run DT as administrator. Not everyone has to, but it might save you some grief if you do.
Post by: ottottott on June 25, 2011, 11:19:03 am
Also, it doesn't recognize the military tactics skill...
Post by: profit on June 25, 2011, 01:06:37 pm
Is there any way of checking what version I have, without using DT?
Also, it doesn't recognize the military tactics skill...
Yep start DF, select about DF menu option, if there is a thing about SDL in purple you have the SDL version, if not, you have the legacy version. The version number is down on the lower right hand corner.
As for the tactics skill, there are actually quite a few things missing. DwarvenEngineer has been slacking a bit, but since he doesn't get any money for doing this, I think that is entirely his choice.
Post by: Ascaronth on June 30, 2011, 10:04:43 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Running as sudo: same
Building as sudo: same
Building as sudo and running as sudo: same
Post by: profit on July 02, 2011, 12:21:01 am
Post by: Ascaronth on July 04, 2011, 06:25:36 pm
Post by: bremarv on July 06, 2011, 06:12:24 am
I also run 32bit Archlinux.
Post by: peterix on July 17, 2011, 11:04:09 am
In the dfapi branch of DFHack (DFHack inside DF), I managed to get Qt working. This opens up some options, including making DT into a DFHack plugin (and getting the benefits of direct access to DF's memory). At this point, I'll do this as an experiment. I'd like to hear from you guys - mainly what you think about this. The last attempt of porting DT to DFHack didn't end well and I wouldn't want that to happen again.
Post by: _DivideByZero_ on July 19, 2011, 12:46:41 pm
I'm running Ubuntu Natty 64 bit.
Post by: Chakravanti on July 25, 2011, 06:05:00 pm
EDIT: - DOH that's in the included documentation (elevated privliges for ptrace)
EDIT2 - DERP: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65326.0
I still get
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Could not open logfile for writing! "No such file or directory"
Application asked to unregister timer 0x1d000008 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Application asked to unregister timer 0x9000008 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Application asked to unregister timer 0x18000009 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Application asked to unregister timer 0x48000014 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Any way it runs.
Df 31.25 & DT 6.10
omfg i can finally use DT and actually play DF I always wanted a bigger fort and could never deal witht he frustration of managing and never got DT to work so YAY. Will report baxck on acutal usage!
Post by: DrKillPatient on July 28, 2011, 03:01:12 pm
Uhh, guys, sorry for the necro, but how do I install this on linux? I managed to get it running before but I kind of... forgot.
I'm running Ubuntu Natty 64 bit.
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist should work.
Chakra, you might want to create a 'log' folder in /bin/release. That way errors and such will write there if something's wrong. Right now DT can't find it, or so your output says.
Post by: ninja137 on July 28, 2011, 11:01:52 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on July 29, 2011, 08:48:17 am
Post by: Garm on August 04, 2011, 11:30:19 pm
I redownloaded and it doesn't work. I'm not at all surprised but thought I'd post simply to back ninja up and say my experience is different to Sphalerite's (unfortunately).
Post by: vityav on August 07, 2011, 04:01:33 pm
Post by: Carn on August 11, 2011, 08:05:33 am
Post by: Hark! on August 12, 2011, 08:29:12 am
Post by: Chakravanti on August 16, 2011, 10:27:47 am
If you want to post that it doesn't work for you then you should probably post information like the people for whom it does work have done. it would be a lot more helpful in determining why. Else we're to conclude incompetence if we've not even been supplied with basic diagnostic information.
Post by: thor82 on August 17, 2011, 08:26:12 am
how should i try it?
Post by: UristMcHuman on August 17, 2011, 07:32:49 pm
Post by: Ghills on August 17, 2011, 09:49:26 pm
Doesn't seem to work for my .25, but it does for my room mate and we're running the same OS. Madness.
Have you enabled automatic updating? DT needs the latest Memory.xml, and the easiest way to get that is autoupdating.
Post by: Chakravanti on August 18, 2011, 03:14:57 pm
i have a mac, but never compiled anything on it.
how should i try it?
I shit about compiling in mac but google it and hope for the best. Try 'qt mac compile'
Post by: UristMcHuman on August 30, 2011, 03:06:54 pm
What does DT do, exactly?
I've never used these utilities yet.
Post by: Andir on August 30, 2011, 03:21:15 pm
Is this a .ZIP file?Everything you ever wanted to know can be found: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.0
What does DT do, exactly?
I've never used these utilities yet.
You'll want to check out the link to the project page to get a list of features.
Post by: Forumite on September 01, 2011, 06:04:24 am
Post by: stamasd on September 08, 2011, 02:26:12 pm
It compiles fine according to the instructions at http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist
However when I run the binary (while having DF itself running of course) the DT window appears for a split second then disappears. I get the following in the terminal I am running the compiled DT from:
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Could not open logfile for writing! "No such file or directory"
"Unknown error" (edit) scratch that. It runs if I launch it not from the directory where the binary is, but from the root of the source code with "bin/release/DwarfTherapist"
Post by: Vehudur on September 12, 2011, 10:27:06 am
This is the specific error message:
Code: [Select]
I'm sorry. I'm having trouble connecting to DF. I can't seem to locate the PEB address of the process.
Please re-launch DF and try again.I have attempted re-launching DF and it has not fixed it, I've also attempted:
Running DT only when I can see the fortress,
Running DT then DF,
Running DF then DT when I can see the fortress and attempting to force DT to scan for dwarves while a fortress is active, which should work but instead resulted in a hard crash of DT >:( .
I'm probably missing something obvious and simple here.
Post by: Andir on September 12, 2011, 10:56:02 am
Post by: Vehudur on September 12, 2011, 11:34:48 am
Post by: Andir on September 12, 2011, 11:53:23 am
Also, no laughing here... there's a lot of XP that I actually still prefer to WinVista+ and I still work with XP every day even though I've been give two opportunities to update my Work PC. I use 7, but I only use it for games so it's basically a Steam Console for me. My non-gaming/everyday is a Debian laptop.
Post by: Vehudur on September 12, 2011, 12:24:23 pm
Post by: Elvang on September 12, 2011, 02:53:16 pm
Post by: Vehudur on September 12, 2011, 04:01:13 pm
Post by: Ghills on September 13, 2011, 07:07:01 pm
The auto-updater says it's updated (I even went so far as to reinstall Dwarf Therapist) and I still get errors when I attempt to run with DF 0.31.25, and it looks to me as if it isn't updated. Should I post the run.log for you? Or is there something else I should do here?
This is the specific error message:Code: [Select]I'm sorry. I'm having trouble connecting to DF. I can't seem to locate the PEB address of the process.
Please re-launch DF and try again.
I have attempted re-launching DF and it has not fixed it, I've also attempted:
Running DT only when I can see the fortress,
Running DT then DF,
Running DF then DT when I can see the fortress and attempting to force DT to scan for dwarves while a fortress is active, which should work but instead resulted in a hard crash of DT >:( .
I'm probably missing something obvious and simple here.
Have you tried reinstalling DF? Sometimes the download gets corrupted. Or, try downloading the LNP and seeing if that version works.
Post by: Vehudur on September 13, 2011, 11:03:39 pm
Post by: Vehudur on September 14, 2011, 04:59:02 pm
Yes, I know I'm an evil elf for double posting.
EDIT:
Fixed it.
Turns out I had a few very nasty registry errors that I had to fix. I've no idea WHY they were screwing with DT as they were unrelated, but, it seems to have fixed it.
Post by: PFactorial on September 18, 2011, 11:26:55 am
and this is what I got after the "LD_LIBRARY_PATH= ...etc"
LD_LIBRARY_PATH= /home/prestonpc/Games/dt/bin/DwarfTherapist >error.txt
Could not open logfile for writing! "No such file or directory"
Application asked to unregister timer 0x1d000008 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Application asked to unregister timer 0x7b000008 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Application asked to unregister timer 0xa000009 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Application asked to unregister timer 0x74000013 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Dwarf Therapist popped up for a bit, then it shut down and gave me that
Post by: DrKillPatient on September 18, 2011, 11:34:21 am
I tried Dwarf Therapist on Ubuntu:
and this is what I got after the "LD_LIBRARY_PATH= ...etc"
LD_LIBRARY_PATH= /home/prestonpc/Games/dt/bin/DwarfTherapist >error.txt
Could not open logfile for writing! "No such file or directory"
Application asked to unregister timer 0x1d000008 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Application asked to unregister timer 0x7b000008 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Application asked to unregister timer 0xa000009 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Application asked to unregister timer 0x74000013 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application.
Dwarf Therapist popped up for a bit, then it shut down and gave me that
From the DT build readme:
Quote
The build output directory for dwarf therapist is parallel to the root of the source directory and named dwarftherapist-build-desktop. In order to run dwarf therapist you should create an empty log directory under the release or debug directory, and copy the etc folder to the same location. You should end up with a directory structure such as this:
bin
debug
etc
log
DwarfTherapist.exe
release
etc
log
DwarfTherapist.exe
Once you have this structure, you should be able to launch DwarfTherapist and execute step-through debugging.
Post by: PFactorial on September 18, 2011, 11:38:10 am
I'm sorry, I'm just a newb :P
Post by: PFactorial on September 18, 2011, 11:39:23 am
Post by: DrKillPatient on September 18, 2011, 02:40:31 pm
Post by: PFactorial on September 18, 2011, 03:18:10 pm
Post by: fci525 on October 17, 2011, 05:52:38 pm
Spoiler: Dwarf fortress not running (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Dwarf fortress running (click to show/hide)
Post by: peterix on October 17, 2011, 09:02:08 pm
Anyway, to fix the problem:
- Open /etc/sysctl.conf as root and add these lines:
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kernel.randomize_va_space = 0
kernel.yama.ptrace_scope = 0- Save
- Reboot
Post by: Modest Moose on October 17, 2011, 10:12:10 pm
You have a problem: you are using a nanny-like linux distribution. It assumes that you are a simple user and protects you from anything that resembles a threat. This is a good thing, in some cases. In other cases, it's breaking basic functionality, like debugging.
Anyway, to fix the problem:
- Open /etc/sysctl.conf as root and add these lines:
Code: [Select]kernel.randomize_va_space = 0
kernel.yama.ptrace_scope = 0
- Save
- Reboot
Im having the exact same problem, and this solution did nothing for me. Im on 10.10, i believe. (Oneiric Ocelot, most recent update)
Post by: fci525 on October 17, 2011, 10:24:53 pm
If it helps, here's the output of run.log when therapist is run while a fort is loaded:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: peterix on October 18, 2011, 06:39:40 am
So, I guess you got your source code from some outdated archive.
Try to get the current state:
hg clone https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/
Obviously, you need 'mercurial'. Hmm. When did they switch from svn? Interesting...
Post by: fci525 on October 18, 2011, 09:44:24 am
Post by: MrOassis on October 18, 2011, 10:25:11 am
Thank you so much for helping maintain this mod for the community
It is THE mod for Dwarf Fortress
Post by: Romeofalling on October 18, 2011, 01:00:52 pm
Post by: Modest Moose on October 18, 2011, 01:05:53 pm
EDIT: Fixed it by running it from the root directory with sudo.
Post by: yamgrenade on October 20, 2011, 08:32:05 pm
Post by: Mike Mayday on October 21, 2011, 07:41:10 am
Post by: peterix on October 21, 2011, 08:14:49 am
Is Therapist still being developed? Or just... Supported?Well. I have no idea. I have this thread in my notification list and try to help people who have problems with it... that's about it. You could say that it's supported, but I'm not even looking at the code.
Post by: yamgrenade on October 21, 2011, 08:18:54 am
Is Therapist still being developed? Or just... Supported?Well. I have no idea. I have this thread in my notification list and try to help people who have problems with it... that's about it. You could say that it's supported, but I'm not even looking at the code.
Do you know anything about my problem? I can't find anything on it....
Post by: Kogut on October 21, 2011, 09:55:23 am
I had this working beautifully on Windows 7, but wen I tried it on my school issued laptop (Windows XP) It wouldn't work. I am pretty nooby and I really need this to manage my fortress. I don't know if it's the restrictions on the laptop or some other thing. I'm fairly tech-savvy but I don't want to fiddle with unnecessary settings. If anyone could help I would be hugely appreciative.
"It wouldn't work" - see How to Report Bugs Effectively ( http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html )
What happens? DT is not starting, DT crashes on start, DT is unable to connect to DF, ...
Post by: peterix on October 21, 2011, 10:25:59 am
I can only guess. In the past, I had to drop support for any versions of Windows older than XP SP 3 and even there, it was a major struggle to get things running - had to drop Win 2000 because its kernel API is just missing some essential bits and later XP < SP3 for similar reasons. Getting the new 'stonesense as plugin' running on XP was a battle several days long.Is Therapist still being developed? Or just... Supported?Well. I have no idea. I have this thread in my notification list and try to help people who have problems with it... that's about it. You could say that it's supported, but I'm not even looking at the code.
Do you know anything about my problem? I can't find anything on it....
Now... what problem could it be? Maybe missing system libraries. Maybe a problem with DT calling kernel functions that don't exist at all on XP. Maybe little green men from Mars messing with the computer :P
Here's what you can do though.
Get the app from here: http://www.dependencywalker.com/
And open DT's .exe file in it. Note any errors.
Post by: yamgrenade on October 21, 2011, 11:45:29 am
The main problem is that whenever DF and DT are running at the same time, DT will stop responding. I know it happens when you try to read dwarves because I set it to not connect automatically, and when I connect and read dwarves, it will just freeze. I have waited and it doesn't respond. I will try that app, and I'll post as soon as I have run it.
Post by: yamgrenade on October 21, 2011, 11:59:00 am
Warning: At least one delay-load dependency module was not found.
Warning: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in a delay-load dependent module.
Post by: Mike Mayday on October 21, 2011, 01:27:07 pm
You could say that it's supported, but I'm not even looking at the code.
Peter, YOU could write an AAA game without looking at the code, so that's not saying much. ;)
Post by: peterix on October 22, 2011, 07:06:31 am
These were 2 errors in the first message box.Well. That doesn't tell me much about your problem. Only that you have a problem. The app will put red icons next to stuff that's bad - namely missing 'modules' and missing imported symbols. Somewhere in that window should be some kind of hint as to what the problem is. Hmm. Just make the app full screen and post a screenshot... that will be easier than explaining what all those things are :)
Warning: At least one delay-load dependency module was not found.
Warning: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in a delay-load dependent module.
Post by: Shishimaru on October 30, 2011, 05:36:19 pm
- a tab with the list of the tamed creatures and the possibility to set which of them have to be butchered (it should work with any mod because reads the races names from the raw)
- reenabled and expanded the reading of the physical attributes (strength, agility, toughness, endurance, recuperation, disease resistance). The description of the attribute should match the in game description with any mod (it reads the attributes mean values from the raws)
- age of the selected creature
- group by caste (it should work with any mod because reads the caste names from the raws)
- group by race (for the dwarf it shows dwarf, baby, child)
I have modified the Windows layout for 31.25 graphic version only, so it will not work on any other version for now.
Anyone interested in it can get the source of this clone here:
hg clone https://code.google.com/r/shishimar-dwarftherapist/
or download the compiled version here:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5130
PS
There is anyone out there that knows how and where the pasture zones are codified in the DF memory?
Post by: Kogut on October 31, 2011, 10:36:43 am
Post by: arclance on October 31, 2011, 01:35:47 pm
I have made a clone of Dwarf Therapist with some added features:Not working quite right for me on Ubuntu 11.04.
- a tab with the list of the tamed creatures and the possibility to set which of them have to be butchered (it should work with any mod because reads the races names from the raw)
- reenabled and expanded the reading of the physical attributes (strength, agility, toughness, endurance, recuperation, disease resistance). The description of the attribute should match the in game description with any mod (it reads the attributes mean values from the raws)
- age of the selected creature
- group by caste (it should work with any mod because reads the caste names from the raws)
- group by race (for the dwarf it shows dwarf, baby, child)
I have modified the Windows layout for 31.25 graphic version only, so it will not work on any other version for now.
Anyone interested in it can get the source of this clone here:
hg clone https://code.google.com/r/shishimar-dwarftherapist/
Here is my militia commander in game.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Animals appear to be working but there are some "stray" and "stray unknown" creatures turning up.
Butchering toggle in the animals tab is working.
Group by race works.
Does group by cast ignore male/female casts?
If it does I don't have a save setup to test that right now.
If it doesn't it is not working.
PSStonesense can detect the location of zones you might want to ask in the Stonesense thread.
There is anyone out there that knows how and where the pasture zones are codified in the DF memory?
Post by: Shishimaru on October 31, 2011, 03:14:19 pm
Not working quite right for me on Ubuntu 11.04.
I have modified only the memory layout for the Windows version, adding the offsets for the attributes, the caste, the address for the current year and a new valid_flag (valid_flags_3)
The group by caste ignores the male/female caste (for that there is already the sex)
I can't test it, but this should be the modified linux 0.31.25 memory layout:
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[info]
checksum=0xfc15065c
version_name=v0.31.25
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x0944c41c
language_vector=0x0944c404
creature_vector=0x0940b174
dwarf_race_index=0x093f2b5c
squad_vector=0x09449064
current_year=0x093F0600
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0144
current_job=0x025c
states=0x0
souls=0x0530
labors=0x054C
happiness=0x05DC
squad_ref_id=0x0640
caste=0x00A4
birth_year=0x01A0
strength=0x310
agility=0x32C
toughness=0x348
endurance=0x364
recuperation=0x380
disease_resistance=0x39C
[soul_details]
skills=0x01C4
traits=0x01DC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[valid_flags_3]
size=1
1\name=Untamed
1\value=0x04000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Thanks for the Stonesense hint, I will give it a try
Post by: arclance on October 31, 2011, 03:42:42 pm
I can't test it, but this should be the modified linux 0.31.25 memory layout:It works.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I don't know if this has anything to do with your code though, it did not even try with the normal version if I remember correctly.
Post by: Shishimaru on October 31, 2011, 04:08:57 pm
For the names translations I have only enabled them, the code was already there, but it seems that it wasn't enabled on purpose cause it isn't yet debugged. I will try to fix this if I can.
Post by: Ledi on November 07, 2011, 01:02:52 am
Post by: Ult1mara on November 08, 2011, 02:11:47 pm
The error Message I get is that it cannot connect to the PEB destination
Post by: jasonwill2 on November 10, 2011, 04:57:54 pm
Post by: profit on November 11, 2011, 03:24:32 am
uh... so will this newest version not work with the version of DF released last March, v 0.32? dang.
Far as I know it works with every release. I use it on 0.31.25 currently.
Post by: Shishimaru on November 11, 2011, 05:23:44 pm
Shishimaru, any chance you could get the animal's properties to show - like size/muscle etc?I will try, but I don't know where to find the size. I'm doing some research.
uh... so will this newest version not work with the version of DF released last March, v 0.32? dang.The version of DF released last March is v 0.31.25
Post by: jasonwill2 on November 12, 2011, 05:12:09 am
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on November 18, 2011, 01:04:42 pm
Post by: Mdort Goblinsmiter on November 26, 2011, 02:20:02 am
From what I've been able to gather this is a Google owned ip address.... is it to do with google code, maybe? Why is there no setting to turn this off?
Edit: I've been informed that this is part of the auto-update for memory maps.
Post by: grincheux on December 08, 2011, 07:27:25 am
Running Ubuntu 11.04 64b (Natty) with DF 31_25 & DT 0.6.11 compiled from source, I cannot set custom profession. More precisely, after applying a custom prof. the name do not change. I tried to refresh by changing the view etc... without success.
Did one of you find a way to do that ?
Thanks.
Post by: Talas on December 08, 2011, 02:22:57 pm
I tried connecting it to my "Wizard Tower" save and both crashed (didnt save either).. :\
Is there something that can be done to make it work for another race than dwarfs and the new labors they bring?
Anyways, it works great for dwarves (on ubuntu 11.04, didnt try cusomt professions though ^)..
Thanks.
Post by: Jerg on December 09, 2011, 03:15:33 am
I have made a clone of Dwarf Therapist with some added features:
- a tab with the list of the tamed creatures and the possibility to set which of them have to be butchered (it should work with any mod because reads the races names from the raw)
- reenabled and expanded the reading of the physical attributes (strength, agility, toughness, endurance, recuperation, disease resistance). The description of the attribute should match the in game description with any mod (it reads the attributes mean values from the raws)
- age of the selected creature
- group by caste (it should work with any mod because reads the caste names from the raws)
- group by race (for the dwarf it shows dwarf, baby, child)
I have modified the Windows layout for 31.25 graphic version only, so it will not work on any other version for now.
Anyone interested in it can get the source of this clone here:
hg clone https://code.google.com/r/shishimar-dwarftherapist/
or download the compiled version here:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5130
PS
There is anyone out there that knows how and where the pasture zones are codified in the DF memory?
Wow I've been looking for a DT mod with physical attributes, thanks!
An issue though; for some reason the only three attributes columns shown are strength/agility/toughness for me, it's not displaying recuperation/disease resistance in the charts, is there somewhere I can turn them on?
You could say that it's supported, but I'm not even looking at the code.
Peter, YOU could write an AAA game without looking at the code, so that's not saying much. ;)
Hey Mike, love your tileset! Is it possible to fix mudstone doors and chests in the next upcoming release?
Post by: Draegur on December 11, 2011, 09:28:36 pm
It shall remain my opinion that Dwarf Therapist embodies what the Dwarf Fortress interface should have always been in the first place, at least in terms of unit management. The game would simply be unplayable without it.
I am eagerly awaiting any updates or modifications that make it possible to view and sort the Soul attributes of dwarfs as well, as one already can for personality traits.
Someday I hope I will be able to tailor a dwarf's assigned labors to the greatest benefit of any dwarf--and efficiently. Alas, I know it is but a pipe-dream, but it is my pipe-dream :p
Post by: kilakan on December 19, 2011, 10:05:10 am
Post by: Hien Arashi on December 19, 2011, 10:51:23 am
Post by: DuffDwarf on December 20, 2011, 07:28:47 am
Greets
Post by: LunarHarp on December 21, 2011, 07:13:16 pm
Post by: Jerg on December 22, 2011, 02:25:25 am
Post by: CheatingChicken on December 22, 2011, 05:57:43 am
I've got a Problem that dont seem to be able to solve by myself:
After another crash which killed my save including my entire world, i decidedto set up some mods to my game, or to be more specific the Fortress Defense mod and the Termitefolk Colony mod (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=91853.0).
Since i've always been using Dwarf Therapist, pretty much al the time since i started playing DF, i looked in this thread to see if there was any way to get castes to work. I downloaded the DwafTherapistClone.
Now here's the Problem: It doesnt seem to recognize any of the Termite castes, i guess that's because the game_data.ini only contains the race-index for the dwarven race. Now what would i have to do to find the race index for those termites, or any other custom-made race? I've had some difficulties there, since i've only got very rough to no knowledge about searching memories, and similar things. Only having access to a 6-year-old laptop which was originally designed to be just a terminal-pc doesnt really help either.
Can anyone of you help me with this issue?
Post by: DuffDwarf on December 22, 2011, 12:06:28 pm
Post by: Deon on January 16, 2012, 02:42:05 am
Post by: Meph on January 16, 2012, 12:05:25 pm
Post by: 0x517A5D on January 17, 2012, 10:31:56 pm
When I try to run DwarfTherapist.exe from a Visual Basic application, it immediately closes after starting... Do you know what may cause it?
DT needs to be started from the directory it resides in, or it has exactly this symptom: it shows its window for an instant, beeps, and exits. So maybe try ChDir.
Post by: ajeffreys on January 20, 2012, 09:09:57 am
Post by: LoSboccacc on January 20, 2012, 11:30:18 am
I think mac foreman was the tool for the .40d series (or was it even older? can't remember now)
Post by: xellas84 on January 20, 2012, 11:30:55 am
The DF install is clean along with the graphics packs, but every time I run DwarfTherapist, it runs for about 10 minutes, stops responding, and literally CANNOT be closed. Seriously, even end task via task manager won't close it. At this very moment, I've got 5 instances of DT on my taskbar that I can't get rid of by any means, and since I can't stand to run DF without DT, I'm also stuck not playing. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
Post by: Myrmec on January 22, 2012, 09:01:14 am
Just reinstalled Lazy Newb Pack from scratch and it says "Connected to unknown version" in the lower right, which I'm assuming is related.
Post by: Hien Arashi on January 26, 2012, 02:23:10 am
Has anyone ever run into a problem where the dwarf surnames are all listed as "Unknownunknown"? It gets their first names but not the last.From what I've seen myself, the Unknownunknown happens when you start DT before the fort is loaded into the computers memory, have you tried starting DT after you have loaded up your fort?
Just reinstalled Lazy Newb Pack from scratch and it says "Connected to unknown version" in the lower right, which I'm assuming is related.
Post by: Lockyy on January 28, 2012, 10:45:04 am
I'm just wanting to know how long after release we'll have to put off playing.
Also as a question, if there is, will it display vampirism in dwarves that you don't know are vampires? If so, pllllease make it so you can turn that kinda thing off.
Post by: i2amroy on January 28, 2012, 04:25:56 pm
Post by: LoSboccacc on January 30, 2012, 04:51:17 am
then again is just a good excuse to play adventure mode a bit.
still, everyone had done a wonderful job up until now so no need to be worried.
Post by: Maklak on February 04, 2012, 09:03:16 am
I'd also like the ability to sort dwarfs by "have moodable skills" and "no moodable skills" to teach a subset of dwarves a bit of armoring and weaponsmithing to influence moods.
These are both just matters of convenience, but DT is about convenience. I could remember or check or write down, which skills are moodable, and which influence quality, but it would be nice to have it on a platter.
Post by: HammerHand on February 08, 2012, 12:07:01 am
Just sayin'. Function included and all. 9.9
Not sure what to tell you on the sorting, though.
Not saying they're bad feature requests or anything, but you can kinda manage one of them. Also, from what I understand, feature requests are better left to the dedicated project forum, which you can find a link to in the first post of this thread. That might be a memory from when chmod was doing it, though. DwarfEngineer might do things differently.
Post by: i2amroy on February 08, 2012, 01:08:49 pm
Not saying they're bad feature requests or anything, but you can kinda manage one of them. Also, from what I understand, feature requests are better left to the dedicated project forum, which you can find a link to in the first post of this thread. That might be a memory from when chmod was doing it, though. DwarfEngineer might do things differently.It's pretty much just a holdover, considering that the most recent posts are from 9 months ago and over 1 year ago respectively.
Post by: Carnes on February 14, 2012, 07:02:41 am
Using these links: http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/MappingNewVersions and http://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/glttb/computing_dwarf_fortress_memory_offsets_by_hand/
I came up with..
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
and i think the nickname offset is offset 0x10 ? But this is where i've gotten lost. Thanks for any help!
Post by: Neyvn on February 14, 2012, 08:24:23 am
Post by: YetAnotherStupidDorf on February 14, 2012, 08:30:41 am
Post by: Carnes on February 14, 2012, 09:11:04 am
Post by: kingofthescots on February 14, 2012, 10:00:08 am
Post by: ghalidrim on February 14, 2012, 10:05:26 am
Post by: Gearheart on February 14, 2012, 11:01:43 am
I can only hope to god that a new maintainer materialises, or I'm going to be stuck playing adventure mode.
Post by: Llamageddon on February 14, 2012, 11:08:41 am
I'm going to start digging at it from the OS X side sometime this week. Anything I work out may be transferable to at least the Linux version.
Don't taunt me, now I am regretting my championing of the PC over Macs as a preferred platform for games. What kind of programming skills would I need to get this updated and how daunting a task would it be, any ideas. I am no expert programmer but I am somewhat of a layman (i.e. not a professional but not completely unskilled). I only really know c# and a bit of java though and don't have much free time to spare. I really hope someone comes to champion the cause or I might be forced to try just out of desperation.
Post by: LoSboccacc on February 14, 2012, 11:11:03 am
I'm going to start digging at it from the OS X side sometime this week. Anything I work out may be transferable to at least the Linux version.
you have my blessing! well, it's not much at all, I know. but as a mac user, I'm totally interested :D
Post by: Malakai Makaisson on February 14, 2012, 11:34:54 am
So DwarfEngineer has gone AWOL? That's bad. This tool basically takes the game from being a mess to being somewhat playable.
I can only hope to god that a new maintainer materialises, or I'm going to be stuck playing adventure mode.
Someone claiming to be him posted on reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/pnink/dwarf_therapist_in_the_post2012_release_period/c3qxczh):
Quote
Hi, DwarfEngineer here. I'm not the original author, but I'm currently the maintainer (or as close as there is.)
While I haven't had much free time for features or linux builds, I have been watching for the 2012 release and will try to get DT working with it. If anyone else gets to it before me and has questions, please send me a PM, I'm usually on reddit at least some the time of most days.
Also if anyone is interested in taking up maintenance full time, I'm more than willing to help them get to know the ropes. In fact it wouldn't hurt to have a few more people familiar with the program.
Post by: Malorn on February 14, 2012, 11:39:22 am
Post by: Gearheart on February 14, 2012, 11:43:48 am
Hopefully. I can't play without it anymore.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 14, 2012, 11:50:05 am
Sorry there hasn't been much activity lately - I can't promise that I'll get to many features, but I'll do what I can to add support for the new version.
Post by: Aeon Blue on February 14, 2012, 11:58:16 am
I'll be working on DT for 2012 as soon as I get a chance. It's highly likely that a number of the structures and offsets have changed, so I'm not optimistic that this will go quickly. Add on the fact that today is Valentine's day, and we're looking at end of the weekend as the earliest I'll have something.
Sorry there hasn't been much activity lately - I can't promise that I'll get to many features, but I'll do what I can to add support for the new version.
This is very much appreciated.
Post by: kizucha on February 14, 2012, 12:01:07 pm
Post by: Neyvn on February 14, 2012, 12:08:53 pm
Post by: ActnMoviHeroBoy on February 14, 2012, 12:09:29 pm
Post by: Gearheart on February 14, 2012, 12:12:09 pm
I'll be working on DT for 2012 as soon as I get a chance. It's highly likely that a number of the structures and offsets have changed, so I'm not optimistic that this will go quickly. Add on the fact that today is Valentine's day, and we're looking at end of the weekend as the earliest I'll have something.A god walks among mere mortals.
Sorry there hasn't been much activity lately - I can't promise that I'll get to many features, but I'll do what I can to add support for the new version.
Many thanks for your efforts.
Post by: Malorn on February 14, 2012, 12:12:52 pm
I'll be working on DT for 2012 as soon as I get a chance. It's highly likely that a number of the structures and offsets have changed, so I'm not optimistic that this will go quickly. Add on the fact that today is Valentine's day, and we're looking at end of the weekend as the earliest I'll have something.
Sorry there hasn't been much activity lately - I can't promise that I'll get to many features, but I'll do what I can to add support for the new version.
Dear sir, I ask no features. As long as you update it to keep doing what it already does, I'm happy.
Post by: i2amroy on February 14, 2012, 12:12:59 pm
Post by: lemmily on February 14, 2012, 12:14:08 pm
I'll be working on DT for 2012 as soon as I get a chance. It's highly likely that a number of the structures and offsets have changed, so I'm not optimistic that this will go quickly. Add on the fact that today is Valentine's day, and we're looking at end of the weekend as the earliest I'll have something.
Sorry there hasn't been much activity lately - I can't promise that I'll get to many features, but I'll do what I can to add support for the new version.
My thanks are many!
I never realised how much I relied upon DT. Manually checking labours etc is HARD. and remembering who does what and how good they are arrrrrrrrrgh. DT will be welcomed back with open arms. for now, *struggle onwards*
Post by: Plasson on February 14, 2012, 12:19:13 pm
Post by: SalmonGod on February 14, 2012, 12:20:28 pm
Not that it'll stop me from trying... just from accomplishing much.
Post by: zwei on February 14, 2012, 12:43:51 pm
Post by: Anderan on February 14, 2012, 12:45:49 pm
Post by: Molay on February 14, 2012, 01:10:23 pm
As happy I might be as of the new release, as sad I am I can't play fortress mode without therapist anymore.
With 7 dwarves it's alright, I can manage that... Somehow...
But with 34... Bloody hell! I have no idea who is doing what!
I'll be waiting for your lovely DT tool, hopefully it won't be long :)
Thanks!
Post by: vemiermark4 on February 14, 2012, 01:28:38 pm
Post by: Myr0ku on February 14, 2012, 01:46:38 pm
I don't remember how to assign tasks !
Post by: Intrinsic on February 14, 2012, 02:03:35 pm
Post by: arclance on February 14, 2012, 02:14:49 pm
There was a guy in this thread that forked and updated DT with some stuff, maybe he'll get around to looking into things if he's still here.
I hope whoever updates DT incorporates the additions from Shishimaru's fork (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2722011#msg2722011) it works well and makes picking strong military dwarfs easier.
Post by: nenjin on February 14, 2012, 02:30:12 pm
Post by: Llamageddon on February 14, 2012, 02:36:07 pm
Post by: Feb on February 14, 2012, 02:39:10 pm
Post by: Molay on February 14, 2012, 03:04:18 pm
Woop! Thanks Dwarf Engineer, I really don't think I would have had the faintest idea what I was doing if I tried to fork it. I also agree with people saying that features aren't essential, we'll all just be happy to have a playable fort mode.
I can sign that!
I don't need no new features right now, I didn't need them before anyways.
But I need DT, because I really _needed_ it before! Since I started playing I used DT, I never bothered with the manual task assignment thingy.
I'd just be glad about a basic DT to assign jobs and show me the skill of my dwarves. Anything besides that is just a "bonus".
Anyways, thanks for your hard work!
Post by: Aklyon on February 14, 2012, 03:15:10 pm
Post by: kingofthescots on February 14, 2012, 05:13:42 pm
Post by: stevedore on February 14, 2012, 05:58:06 pm
checksum is 0x4f391a33
creature_vector is 0x0179f728
dwarf_race_index seems to be 465/0x1d1 (value in the .ini I've used is 0x015cbe9c, but I don't quite understand how it's determined where this value specifically comes from)
With these, DT is able to read all of my dwarves and their first names or nicknames correctly, last names still show up as "Unknownunknown". Sex appears to read correctly (all of my dwarves are correct, at least), and custom professions are read properly too.
I haven't been able to figure out any other values, hopefully these can make it at least a bit easier.
Post by: Carnes on February 14, 2012, 06:36:07 pm
Also, i've started poking through the source to look at how the memory structures are sized. I saw this /* OLD Stuff from the 40d series that no longer works the same way and got spooked. Chances are there will be similar things for this version.
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/source/browse/src/dwarf.cpp
Post by: Dark_T_Zeratul on February 14, 2012, 06:47:28 pm
Post by: stevedore on February 14, 2012, 07:23:07 pm
Nice find on the dwarf_race_index! How did you get 0x015cbe9c ? I was able to get the creature vector but got lost as to the next step.
I was having a look at http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/source/browse/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/source/browse/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h) (god, that's an ugly filename), and it prints out potential values when searching for it through the memory scanner. I looked in run.log, and it had three or four potential matches that were all the same value, but got rejected for some reason or another. I just tried one of them (I may have had to correct the address, as it prints the absolute, not relative). Because I picked an address more-or-less at random, I suspect that I may just have stumbled upon a spot in code that happens to have that value, but may not be guaranteed to. I didn't really feel like searching through the entire memory of DF looking for 0x000001d1 (don't forget to convert to little-endian if you're using a memory inspection tool, if you're searching for it) and finding which one was the constant value.
Correcting the address:
look for this line in run.log:
2012-Feb-14 17:51:04.872 DEBUG core memory correction: "0x00ab0000" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:259] (find_running_copy)
Subtract that value from any absolute address to get the relative address.
Post by: Carnes on February 14, 2012, 08:13:22 pm
Post by: stevedore on February 14, 2012, 08:29:47 pm
Is there a reason why using the BruteForce (raw output) section on say 0x0213be9c (dwarf_race_index) reveals garbage instead of strings? Shouldn't the name & nick be viewable? There is data there and it appears to be structured, but just not in a human readable format.
Keep in mind that that should be dumping the raw hex values from memory - 0x41424344 is equivalent to the character values 'ABCD' for instance. (forgive me if you know this already)
Additionally, the only data that should be at that pointer (if it's valid for dwarf_race_index) is a four-byte integer that's the index of "DWARF" within the list of races (as far as I understand). (e.g., if the list is { elf, elephant, goblin, dwarf, dog }, dwarf_race_index would be an int * pointing to the value 3)
Even in the creatures vector, if you're looking at the entry for a particular dwarf, there may be no human readable data available, or there may be. Consider the following two examples:
Example A:
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struct dwarf {
char firstName[16];
char lastName[16];
}
Example B:
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struct dwarf {
char *firstName;
char *lastName;
}
If we have a dwarf "Urist McUrist", and we want to represent him with these structures, he would have two very different representations in memory, looking at those structures specifically:
A:
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55 72 69 73 74 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4D 63 55 72 69 73 74 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
B:
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AA BB AA BB CC DD CC DD
In the case of A, we have stored: "Urist\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0" followed by "McUrist\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0", whereas B is two pointers (0xAABBAABB and 0xCCDDCCDD) that are the addresses of "Urist" and "McUrist" in memory elsewhere.
Depending how a dwarf, or any creature, is implemented in DF's code, we could see either of these being the case. Especially since all of the names are from a preset library (and not procedurally generated, as far as I know), I could definitely see first name and last name both being pointers. Some others are index values (profession appears to be, race certainly is).
I believe that the custom nickname and profession names are also dynamically allocated, and thus you'll just see pointer values rather than the actual string values. At least, as far as I can tell, they are.
Post by: Gearheart on February 14, 2012, 08:46:40 pm
Post by: stevedore on February 14, 2012, 08:50:12 pm
So I am about as oblivious as physically possible to the arcane workings of programming, do the posts in the last couple pages represent significant headway towards getting it working properly, or is it just dabbling in interesting notes?
Well, for reference, the total that I was able to get working in DT over about 4 hours of effort this afternoon (not knowing anything about the inner workings of DT or DF before about 1pm today):
- DT could read all of my dwarves, but only the following attributes
- first name
- nickname
- custom profession name
- gender
So, I'd say it leans somewhat towards "dabbling". I'd say DwarfEngineer's estimate of the end of the weekend at best still holds pretty strongly.
Post by: Xelanthol on February 14, 2012, 09:11:47 pm
Post by: Jon-Ace on February 14, 2012, 09:57:43 pm
I'll be working on DT for 2012 as soon as I get a chance. It's highly likely that a number of the structures and offsets have changed, so I'm not optimistic that this will go quickly. Add on the fact that today is Valentine's day, and we're looking at end of the weekend as the earliest I'll have something.
Sorry there hasn't been much activity lately - I can't promise that I'll get to many features, but I'll do what I can to add support for the new version.
Welcome back! Take your time as I'm sure there will be at least one inevitable bug fix release to mess everything up again.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 14, 2012, 09:59:33 pm
For what little help it is to DwarfEngineer, I've been mucking around with DT and a memory viewer all afternoon and have been able to figure out the following:
checksum is 0x4f391a33
creature_vector is 0x0179f728
dwarf_race_index seems to be 465/0x1d1 (value in the .ini I've used is 0x015cbe9c, but I don't quite understand how it's determined where this value specifically comes from)
With these, DT is able to read all of my dwarves and their first names or nicknames correctly, last names still show up as "Unknownunknown". Sex appears to read correctly (all of my dwarves are correct, at least), and custom professions are read properly too.
I haven't been able to figure out any other values, hopefully these can make it at least a bit easier.
I can confirm these values. I only had a few minutes to look so far, but at a minimum, some of the offsets have changed (as expected) but also, the way language and translation is handled appears to have changed. Take a look at the generic language raw.
Post by: Neyvn on February 14, 2012, 10:01:01 pm
Post by: Molay on February 14, 2012, 10:05:36 pm
I would kill for even a basic Therapist right now... I just got a wave of 30 Dwarves!!!
Hah! You unlucky bastard! I must admit, I already surrendered after a wave of 20. One really realizes what he misses most when it's not available anymore :(
But I'm optimistic DwarfEngineer will not let us down, sadly that doesn't mean it will be fixed immediately :/
Wish I knew more about that stuff... I never bothered with memory reading - I just did coding. Now I regret I never got into that :(
Post by: Seiteki on February 14, 2012, 10:23:10 pm
I can manage, but the faster you update it, the less pain I'll go through in the end!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 14, 2012, 11:52:54 pm
So far:
In game_data.ini:
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total_words_per_table = 2173
expected_dwarf_race = 465
With those settings, you can find the translation vectors as well:
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[info]
checksum=0x4f391a33
version_name=v0.34.01 (graphics)
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x017e3638
language_vector=0x017e3618
creature_vector=0x0179f728
dwarf_race_index=0x015cbe9c
squad_vector=0x0000000
This will display your dorfs with last names. Next is finding the dwarf_offsets, etc.
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 12:07:49 am
I'm working on trying to figure out some of the offsets. From what I can tell, all of the following are definitely correct:
first_name
nick_name
last_name
custom_profession
race
sex
I'm looking to get current_job figured out, at least. profession and happiness would be nice, too.
I'll have to dig through the code to learn how the souls are structured to see if I can figure them out.
Edit: I got enabled labours working. Here's my v0.34.01_graphics.ini file, it will give what I would call a very basic level of actual functionality to DT - you can manage your dwarves' enabled labours, at least, though you cannot see their skill level, current job, or happiness
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[info]
checksum=0x4f391a33
version_name=v0.34.01 (graphics)
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x017e3638
language_vector=0x017e3618
creature_vector=0x0179f728
dwarf_race_index=0x015cbe9c
squad_vector=0x0
[offsets]
word_table=0x0000003c
string_buffer_offset=0x0000
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x001C
noun_plural=0x0038
adjective=0x0054
verb=0x008C
present_simple_verb=0x00A8
past_simple_verb=0x00C4
past_participle_verb=0x00E0
present_participle_verb=0x00FC
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x001C
last_name=0x0038
custom_profession=0x006C
profession=0x0088
race=0x008C
flags1=0x00E0
flags2=0x00E4
sex=0x00F8
id=0x00FC
recheck_equipment=0x01BC
birth_year=0x0224
current_job=0x02F4
physical_attrs=0x3C4
states=0x0528
souls=0x0648
likes=0x07A0
labors=0x078C
happiness=0x0710
squad_ref_id=0x790
[soul_details]
skills=0x01F0
traits=0x0214
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x003C
members=0x0088
[position_offsets]
token=0x0000
flags=0x0020
general_name_singular=0x00E8
general_name_plural=0x0104
male_name_singular=0x0158
male_name_plural=0x0174
female_name_singluar=0x0120
female_name_plural=0x013C
custom_color_red=0x0382
custom_color_green=0x0380
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Post by: Azated on February 15, 2012, 12:32:20 am
It's strange that I'm more scared of migrants than I am of the terrifying creatures sitting in the bottom of my fortress.
Post by: dyn on February 15, 2012, 12:50:12 am
I'm looking to get current_job figured out, at least. profession and happiness would be nice, too.
I believe happiness is 0x082c and current job is 0x030c. I am working on some of the rest, I will keep posting what I find as well
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 01:27:37 am
I believe happiness is 0x082c and current job is 0x030c. I am working on some of the rest, I will keep posting what I find as well
Those two look good to me, they stand against a bit of testing.
Post by: OrionKale on February 15, 2012, 02:21:07 am
Edit: I got enabled labours working. Here's my v0.34.01_graphics.ini file, it will give what I would call a very basic level of actual functionality to DT - you can manage your dwarves' enabled labours, at least, though you cannot see their skill level, current job, or happiness
So, do I need the legacy.ini file settings for 34.01 to get the graphics.ini to work, or will it be fine without the legacy.ini file ?
Will creating a new file named correctly give us a working Dwarf Therapist for assigning tasks ?
My experience with this was copying/pasting some code about a year ago to get 31.21 to work the day of the release.
Post by: schismatise on February 15, 2012, 02:38:05 am
Unfortunately my programming skills are confined to PHP/SQL etc. However, i do have one small thing to offer. I humbly present:
DWARF THERAPIST THERAPIST: HOW TO MANAGE WITHOUT DWARF THERAPIST
Yes, it really is possible! Before i knew about DT, i had a fort with well over 200 dwarves using this method!
Step 1 - Deal with every new migrant immediately - that is, the moment they hit the map, you're already pressing "v". In fact, you're so fast, your cursor is already hovering over the very tile they entered on (so you don't lose track of them).
Step 2 - Assign them a permanent job (military career counts as a "job" :D), based on a) how many people are doing that job already and b) what they're good at, and then never touch them again! Avoid the temptation to make that recently arrived grand master woodcrafter into a woodworker when you already have 7 others doing it, and not a tree left on the map. Sorry Urist McElfShapedIncenseHolder, now you're a miner. Hope you like black lung!
Step 3 - Use profession nicknames to keep track of their job - assign it the moment you decide what their job is, and then assign them the labours that belong to that job. Try not to have too many different job types (bonus points if most of the labours are in the same category for easy shift+enter enabling), and make sure your workers will have plenty to do. Don't worry if their skills lie elsewhere, they will get good at their new job in time. The less other jobs they have, the better they will get - you can use this concept to control quality of goods, eg. if you want really good beds, have your carpenters doing little else other than carpentry. Don't do this too much though, or your workers will spend lots of time idle. Which brings me to the final step:
Step 4 - Priorite ease-of-use over dwarvenly efficiency. Setup your custom professions so the less important ones have some light hauling assignments on the side to keep them busy in the slower seasons, and only take as many carpenters as you have carpentry workshops. Forget about the quality of trade goods and give your crafters plenty of jobs to keep them busy. Make a "hauling" custom profession if you don't want your real workers distracted, and if your haulers are ever idle, pat them on the back and give them the rest of the day off! If you absolutely have to, you can, in theory, go through the units list and one by one toggle more jobs on for them when they don't have anything else to do, but the more of them you have, the more tedius this will become, and you're often better off just leaving them idle for a few minutes, and taking that as a sign that you don't need any more of that particular job type.
Edit: Step 5 - You can basically consider each siege/ambush/etc a potential "negative migrant wave" - that is, you may lose dwarves, and have to assign replacements. Try not to be too much of a perfectionist - assign one or two replacements if you absolutely have to, and then wait for more migrant waves. Remember, the key is to do as little tweaking as possible.
By following these
Congratulations! Now you're free to spend all your time reading combat logs and engraving descriptions, and designing elaborate elf-melting devices. 8)
Post by: orius on February 15, 2012, 02:38:45 am
Post by: schismatise on February 15, 2012, 02:44:43 am
I learned to play the game with Therapist. I know how to change jobs without it, but I certainly don't want to do it all by hand. It would take forever with dozens of dorfs, I usually only tweak one or two at a time manually.
See my post above - if you just deal with them when they arrive and then never touch them again, it's actually very little time required. As long as you setup your job types well, you can basically just "set and forget".
Post by: zwei on February 15, 2012, 02:56:25 am
I learned to play the game with Therapist. I know how to change jobs without it, but I certainly don't want to do it all by hand. It would take forever with dozens of dorfs, I usually only tweak one or two at a time manually.
See my post above - if you just deal with them when they arrive and then never touch them again, it's actually very little time required. As long as you setup your job types well, you can basically just "set and forget".
Whích ís fíne as long as everýbodý ís stíll alíve.
Once people start dýíng and ýou have to choose and appoínt replacements, ít gets reallý messý.
Post by: Myr0ku on February 15, 2012, 03:00:08 am
Post by: schismatise on February 15, 2012, 03:21:54 am
Whích ís fíne as long as everýbodý ís stíll alíve.
Once people start dýíng and ýou have to choose and appoínt replacements, ít gets reallý messý.
Mmm, a fair point. It depends who dies though - you might get lucky and just lose 1 of each worker type, and not have to change anyone, heh. Even if you are forced to assign replacements, it should only take about 30 seconds for each - hell, just do 1 or 2, and then wait for more migrants. The idea is just to do as little tweaking as possible. Sure, it's not perfect that you just lost 3 of your 4 metalworkers - but you're better off just dealing with it than spending 20 minutes giving yourself RSI :)
Being an obsessive-compulsive perfectionist has made this approach almost necessary for my continued enjoyment of many games, haha.
Edit: Not to derail the thread or anything. Dwarf Therapist is definitely still very awesome.
Edit again: Integrated death into my original post ^^
Post by: Malorn on February 15, 2012, 03:26:39 am
For the record, it's been asked . . . a lot. I don't recall if Toady has ever commented on it. Logically, since it never happened, perhaps that is his comment. Ah well, we shall endure. Good advice from Schismatise, thought that system does fall apart with the first deaths, as noted.
Post by: LoSboccacc on February 15, 2012, 03:40:27 am
The level of misery I hear here (and feel personally, fair readers), makes me wonder if it might not be time for another rousing game of "Toady, please integrate DT into DF."
For the record, it's been asked . . . a lot. I don't recall if Toady has ever commented on it. Logically, since it never happened, perhaps that is his comment. Ah well, we shall endure. Good advice from Schismatise, thought that system does fall apart with the first deaths, as noted.
you're not being very vocal:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php
the eternal suggestion voting doesn't show any sign of players actually wanting a better job assignment screen.
want to make a point? bring that 'Integrated Dwarf Foreman' item to first. then you may have a point.
Post by: schismatise on February 15, 2012, 03:41:22 am
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php
the eternal suggestion voting doesn't show any sign of players actually wanting a better job assignment screen.
That's probably because they're perfectly happy with dwarf therapist ;)
That said, i'm gonna go take a look at that link.
Post by: Neyvn on February 15, 2012, 03:45:34 am
Actually....http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php
the eternal suggestion voting doesn't show any sign of players actually wanting a better job assignment screen.
That's probably because they're perfectly happy with dwarf therapist ;)
That said, i'm gonna go take a look at that link.
Number 13: Integrated Dwarf Foreman...
Links to here.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53113.0
Post by: LoSboccacc on February 15, 2012, 03:47:32 am
yes I saw that. this part of my original comment:Actually....http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php
the eternal suggestion voting doesn't show any sign of players actually wanting a better job assignment screen.
That's probably because they're perfectly happy with dwarf therapist ;)
That said, i'm gonna go take a look at that link.
Number 13: Integrated Dwarf Foreman...
Links to here.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53113.0
'want to make a point? bring that 'Integrated Dwarf Foreman' item to first. then you may have a point.'
was cut out from the quote pyramid.
Post by: Neyvn on February 15, 2012, 03:53:39 am
yes I saw that. this part of my original comment:
'want to make a point? bring that 'Integrated Dwarf Foreman' item to first. then you may have a point.'
was cut out from the quote pyramid.
[/quote]Was pointing out that to Schismatise...
Post by: LoSboccacc on February 15, 2012, 03:55:49 am
Post by: schismatise on February 15, 2012, 04:44:37 am
Anyway, i did see that, was just selectively quoting the part that i thought was humorously relevant - that nobody is voting for that because they already have dwarf therapist. You're right though, it is actually number 13, which is pretty high up the list.
I actually voted for Improved Interface instead of the Dwarf Foreman suggestion - i see it as part of a greater whole. Obviously having that kind of level of improvement to ALL parts of the interface would be insanely awesome, but lots of work.
Post by: LoSboccacc on February 15, 2012, 04:47:45 am
Post by: ClubFoot on February 15, 2012, 04:56:44 am
Edit: I got enabled labours working. Here's my v0.34.01_graphics.ini file, it will give what I would call a very basic level of actual functionality to DT - you can manage your dwarves' enabled labours, at least, though you cannot see their skill level, current job, or happiness
I think I've missed something fundamental. I've got DT sitting here (as it happens the OSX versions) and it's a monolith - a single executable file. Where do I put the <field>=<value> and ini files??
Post by: schismatise on February 15, 2012, 05:13:52 am
I think I've missed something fundamental. I've got DT sitting here (as it happens the OSX versions) and it's a monolith - a single executable file. Where do I put the <field>=<value> and ini files??
I'm guessing that's because you're on a mac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8FnACj25xM), though i could be wrong. I've got the PC version and there's plenty of folders and .ini files, fyi.
Post by: Grax on February 15, 2012, 05:15:50 am
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php
the eternal suggestion voting doesn't show any sign of players actually wanting a better job assignment screen.
want to make a point? bring that 'Integrated Dwarf Foreman' item to first. then you may have a point.
This list seems somewhat obsolete for now.
Post by: Starhero on February 15, 2012, 08:17:16 am
At least I got Diablo 3 to play XD :D :D :D
Yes I am in beta! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Post by: Weaselcake on February 15, 2012, 09:05:33 am
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Post by: agatharchides on February 15, 2012, 09:15:30 am
To be fair, the stuff on top of that list isn't done either and integrating DT will seem like a much lower priority when the new version of DT is out.The level of misery I hear here (and feel personally, fair readers), makes me wonder if it might not be time for another rousing game of "Toady, please integrate DT into DF."
For the record, it's been asked . . . a lot. I don't recall if Toady has ever commented on it. Logically, since it never happened, perhaps that is his comment. Ah well, we shall endure. Good advice from Schismatise, thought that system does fall apart with the first deaths, as noted.
you're not being very vocal:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php
the eternal suggestion voting doesn't show any sign of players actually wanting a better job assignment screen.
want to make a point? bring that 'Integrated Dwarf Foreman' item to first. then you may have a point.
Post by: Calhoun on February 15, 2012, 09:17:01 am
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Its not his job, nor his responsibility to provide you with a free thing that helps you. He does it out of the goodness of his heart, and you should be grateful instead of whining like a child who didn't get everything they wanted on Christmas.
Post by: kellen on February 15, 2012, 09:17:48 am
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Deal with it, for now.
You don't need The Rapist to work a handful of dwarves. About 30 or less dwarves are perfectly manageable without it - if you don't mind a pair of idles every now and then - use this time to start only a few industries (food, stone, metal, wood) while building the infrastructure and defense for everything else
Post by: Feb on February 15, 2012, 09:18:54 am
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
He's providing a free service out of his own time, if you've a problem with it, MAKE IT YOURSELF. Wtf are you, some Elf Noble? Damned cannibal with entitlement issues, gah!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 15, 2012, 09:19:09 am
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.I'm very aware of the importance of DT to the community. If there was a way I could make DwarfTherapist my fulltime job, I would in a heartbeat. Unfortunately the pay isn't quite enough to support a family, let alone my cat. I could start ransoming releases, but I don't think that would be a very popular decision :)
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
I still do this because I like the Dwarf Fortress community - don't take that reason away. You waited 11 months for DwarfFortress 2012, a bit more patience would be much appreciated.
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 09:28:19 am
So, do I need the legacy.ini file settings for 34.01 to get the graphics.ini to work, or will it be fine without the legacy.ini file ?
Will creating a new file named correctly give us a working Dwarf Therapist for assigning tasks ?
My experience with this was copying/pasting some code about a year ago to get 31.21 to work the day of the release.
You'll only need the legacy.ini if you're using the legacy version of Dwarf Fortress. If you downloaded the "SDL" version, you're fine with just the graphics.ini.
I think I've missed something fundamental. I've got DT sitting here (as it happens the OSX versions) and it's a monolith - a single executable file. Where do I put the <field>=<value> and ini files??
Sorry... I can't much help you with the OSX version; I have no experience with it. I believe many of these values will be different on OSX (so even if we knew where to put them, I don't think it would matter, since they're all determined on Windows), and I'm not sure exactly where the .ini stuff (or its equivalent) goes. You'll have to wait for DwarfEngineer or someone else more knowledgeable than me about it to address this one.
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Acting like a spoiled child and whining about a free program not being immediately available is rude. If you want it working sooner, sit down with DF 34.01, DT, and a memory viewer and start trying to find the offsets yourself. It isn't as though this is an easy task that's just being delayed for the heck of delaying it; it takes a lot of work. To get as much progress as I did yesterday was about 6-8 hours of staring at memory dumps and DT code. I've no idea how long the rest will take.
Negative Ned aside, I'll post my full v0.34.01_graphics.ini again since it has a few more values than the last one, for anyone that's interested. Instructions in my post here http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2988487#msg2988487 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2988487#msg2988487). The additions from that are having happiness and current job reading properly thanks to dyn (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2988627#msg2988627 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2988627#msg2988627)). I feel like I should add a disclaimer that I am not DwarfEngineer, and have no official sanction from him, so this is very unofficial.
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Post by: LoSboccacc on February 15, 2012, 09:31:25 am
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
hell, this is exactly what drove away the original maintainer. good work, kid.
Post by: Gearheart on February 15, 2012, 09:39:44 am
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Way to act like an entitled prat.
Seriously, nice work there, champ, you managed to come off as a gigantic tool and a misinformed idiot in a single post. People like you are why the original programmer stopped working on it.
PS. Idiots aside, it's really nice to see how many programmers have come out of the woodworks to help find the offsets. Maybe it'll be done sooner than DwarfEngineer imagined?
Post by: SalmonGod on February 15, 2012, 09:49:35 am
Post by: DeadlyDodo on February 15, 2012, 09:54:39 am
Post by: LoSboccacc on February 15, 2012, 09:56:17 am
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 15, 2012, 09:57:17 am
Are there donation for DT (and possibly other DF projects)?I was thinking of putting up a tip jar with the intention of funding a mac mini to start adding OSX support. I won't do it until after the first release for DF2012 however.
Edit:
I think the original author might still have a donate button up somewhere as well - so if you've seen a donate button for DT up to this point, that money doesn't go to me :)
Post by: RaidSoft on February 15, 2012, 10:02:17 am
It's funny and sad because those kinds of people go "omg get this done already!" but they won't lift a finger them self to help out...
Post by: DeadlyDodo on February 15, 2012, 10:04:26 am
I'd contribute to a tip-jar (or tip.jar) just to show appreciation (I don't have any fruit, too much vit-c).
Post by: Starhero on February 15, 2012, 10:05:49 am
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Go back to minecraft, they seem to respond better to demands. If this has worked will for you before to get something out of someone, where the hell do you live and who the fuck do you think you are?
Back on topic: I appreciate all that are working on this, nothing but kind inspiration coming from me. Anyone that posts like him should just be ignored, DE you have more patient and considerate followers then assholes backing you up. Take your time! I believe I speak for everyone that isn't demanding that we patiently await your update, even if it was a month away.
Post by: Zangi on February 15, 2012, 10:18:18 am
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
*Implying that it is someone's full time job to work on this, even on Valentine's Day.*
*Implying that it is rude for the current maintainer of DT to not elaborate why he can't work on it as much as you'd like.*
*Implying that the current maintainer does not know how many players are reliant on DT to play.*
*Implying that you can make demands of someone who volunteers their free time to do this, for you, without compensation.*
Suck it up, another week or two won't kill you.
Post by: Naryar on February 15, 2012, 10:20:47 am
Useful ? Very. Time-saving ? Yup. Necessary to play dwarf mode ? Hardly.
I will wait for it, and I won't hurry OP about making it, that is all.
Also, this is a stupid flamewar.
Post by: Chilton on February 15, 2012, 10:22:07 am
No shit.I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Go back to minecraft, they seem to respond better to demands. If this has worked will for you before to get something out of someone, where the hell do you live and who the fuck do you think you are?
Back on topic: I appreciate all that are working on this, nothing but kind inspiration coming from me. Anyone that posts like him should just be ignored, DE you have more patient and considerate followers then assholes backing you up. Take your time! I believe I speak for everyone that isn't demanding that we patiently await your update, even if it was a month away.
Minecraft was originally going to be a Survival Game. Now its Lego with Monsters.
Keep up the Good Work, DwarfEngineer!
Your Work is Important, but perhaps more pertinently, much appreciated. And Im sure I can say that not only for Myself, but for plenty of folks :)
Post by: Myr0ku on February 15, 2012, 10:42:43 am
Minecraft is just a distilled version of DF.No shit.I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Go back to minecraft, they seem to respond better to demands. If this has worked will for you before to get something out of someone, where the hell do you live and who the fuck do you think you are?
Back on topic: I appreciate all that are working on this, nothing but kind inspiration coming from me. Anyone that posts like him should just be ignored, DE you have more patient and considerate followers then assholes backing you up. Take your time! I believe I speak for everyone that isn't demanding that we patiently await your update, even if it was a month away.
Minecraft was originally going to be a Survival Game. Now its Lego with Monsters.
Keep up the Good Work, DwarfEngineer!
Your Work is Important, but perhaps more pertinently, much appreciated. And Im sure I can say that not only for Myself, but for plenty of folks :)
Post by: Chilton on February 15, 2012, 10:47:16 am
Why, because You can Dig?Minecraft is just a distilled version of DF.No shit.I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Go back to minecraft, they seem to respond better to demands. If this has worked will for you before to get something out of someone, where the hell do you live and who the fuck do you think you are?
Back on topic: I appreciate all that are working on this, nothing but kind inspiration coming from me. Anyone that posts like him should just be ignored, DE you have more patient and considerate followers then assholes backing you up. Take your time! I believe I speak for everyone that isn't demanding that we patiently await your update, even if it was a month away.
Minecraft was originally going to be a Survival Game. Now its Lego with Monsters.
Keep up the Good Work, DwarfEngineer!
Your Work is Important, but perhaps more pertinently, much appreciated. And Im sure I can say that not only for Myself, but for plenty of folks :)
Is Red Faction akin to DF as well?
Minecraft was originally heading in that direction. It abruptly changed direction.
Post by: Thar on February 15, 2012, 11:42:28 am
Good thing we have champions like Dwarfengineer who fight for us. What would we do without it?
Post by: LoSboccacc on February 15, 2012, 11:44:21 am
Post by: Thar on February 15, 2012, 11:50:14 am
Post by: Subtext on February 15, 2012, 11:58:17 am
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Maybe someone ought to give DE Weaselcake's IP...just do block him from downloading DT for another week or so.
Thanks to everyone who is working on this!
Post by: Starhero on February 15, 2012, 12:03:11 pm
Minecraft is still a fun game, I actually wish that DF2MC was working better then it does now, though I am sure it is surely broken even after DFHack is updated to the latest version of DF.
Personally I dislike vanilla MC. I like the mods that are for MC.
Namely:
Industrial craft
Build-craft (with other addons including logistics pipes)
RedPower
Computer craft (yes there is a LUA based computer in Minecraft now and it works very well for what it was designed for and suprizingly well for what it wasn't designed for)
Is MC a watered down version of DF? Hell yes...but both games are good.
My comment was on the fact that when there is a new release for MC, EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER is DEMANDING for these mods to update...and yet these men are making the game for free (tho they use ad.fly for making SOME cash, hardly anything to live off of tho)
I remember in oct. one of my friends was talking about "I am pumping oil into some tanks, this is COOL!" I had no idea what he was using for mods then (found out later it was buildcraft) because I just had the comment of saying "I am getting slaves to mine out things for me in DF, and killing them if they don't :P
Both games have an extreme about of fun in them.
For those that love complex games, try some of the major mods...most I stated.
Mods are a bit weird to install tho, I will state that, but most of you are programmers or technically inclined so it should be nothing.
Industrial craft adds in machinery to macerate ore, and double production...and also a power net with solar panels and eventually you will get to the level of nuclear power.
Build-craft allows you to pipe said machinery and that of other mods and V items so you can automate things.
Post by: LoSboccacc on February 15, 2012, 12:05:23 pm
We are derailing but why not.
totally wrong attitude.
Post by: Aavak on February 15, 2012, 12:06:28 pm
Post by: Kipi on February 15, 2012, 12:10:27 pm
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|*Implying that OP is still working on this.*(Heck, thought this was the really old thread... oh well.)
*Implying that it is someone's full time job to work on this, even on Valentine's Day.*
*Implying that it is rude for the current maintainer of DT to not elaborate why he can't work on it as much as you'd like.*
*Implying that the current maintainer does not know how many players are reliant on DT to play.*
*Implying that you can make demands of someone who volunteers their free time to do this, for you, without compensation.*
Suck it up, another week or two won't kill you.
I totally agree with you Zangi, just want to add few points:
*The current "main" developer of DT is surely aware of how valued and needed this is. Heck, I think he even took the responsibility from chmod to keep the project alive in the first place!
* As long as you don't pay you have no right to demand the manager of community project to explain his/her schedule, even if it means less time spent updating the project. And even if you paid I see no right to do so, not all of us can change their schedules (work, study, relations) in a few moments of notice just because Toady suddenly released new version of DF.
* There is already a way the rest of the community can support and help in the update process. Instead of whining and demanding you could take part in the offsets finding.
Now, I admit of being dependent on Therapist before. But guess what? I'm currently playing the new version without the tool. Sure it was pain at first, but after I got the method of using excel spreadsheet it hasn't been too difficult. Perhaps not as quick as using DT but in some cases even more effective. For example, the name search is somewhat buggy in DT. Using excel, no problems. And now that I have to manually check all the skills inside the game I notice potential soldiers and nobles more easily. When I used DT I usually just skipped the military and social tabs.
I do anxiously wait for the updated offsets but I think nobody should rush with the work. So keep up with the good work folks!
Post by: Levi on February 15, 2012, 12:11:15 pm
Post by: SquidgyB on February 15, 2012, 12:18:08 pm
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
That's a pretty disgusting attitude to something that is given for free to the community, and takes a serious amount of time and effort to bring around. I hope you feel ashamed now that every second post after yours is pretty much condemning your attitude.
Remembering some of the reasons that Chmod decided to hand over the reins of Therapist - thank you DwarfEngineer for all your hard work.
Post by: Myr0ku on February 15, 2012, 12:18:51 pm
Post by: narhiril on February 15, 2012, 12:20:48 pm
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
That's a pretty disgusting attitude to something that is given for free to the community, and takes a serious amount of time and effort to bring around. I hope you feel ashamed now that every second post after yours is pretty much condemning your attitude.
Remembering some of the reasons that Chmod decided to hand over the reins of Therapist - thank you DwarfEngineer for all your hard work.
Mind if I jump on the condemnation train?
Thanks a bunch, DwarfEngineer, for all of your efforts.
Post by: Molay on February 15, 2012, 12:32:50 pm
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
Its not his job, nor his responsibility to provide you with a free thing that helps you. He does it out of the goodness of his heart, and you should be grateful instead of whining like a child who didn't get everything they wanted on Christmas.
This. Thanks for pointing that out, so I don't have to bother with this disgraceful attitude.
Post by: kudakeru on February 15, 2012, 12:44:50 pm
If you right-click the app and click "Show Package Contents", you can click through to Contents\Resources\etc. The ini files for the offsets live there. Unfortunately I'm in the middle of a sprint at work, so I probably won't have time to test offsets on the OS X side until after work tonight.
Post by: vemiermark4 on February 15, 2012, 12:50:33 pm
Post by: sergisaf on February 15, 2012, 12:56:36 pm
But somehow from time to time it freezes during the Loading Dwarfs state (about 6%, 9% and at first at 33%). I don't know what could cause that, but it's annoying.
Anyhow, all of my thanks and support to DwarfEngineer!
Post by: Myr0ku on February 15, 2012, 12:58:10 pm
Luckly I have been able to run it with the basic (and thankfully the most useful) functionalities such as add/remove professions and list the dwarves.What do you mean ?
But somehow from time to time it freezes during the Loading Dwarfs state (about 6%, 9% and at first at 33%). I don't know what could cause that, but it's annoying.
Anyhow, all of my thanks and support to DwarfEngineer!
You're testing last version of DT ?
Post by: schismatise on February 15, 2012, 01:06:44 pm
Back on topic though,
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id=0x00FC
recheck_equipment=0x01BC
birth_year=0x0224
current_job=0x030C
physical_attrs=0x3DC
states=0x0644
souls=0x0768
likes=0x07A0
labors=0x078C
happiness=0x082C
squad_ref_id=0x790
[soul_details]
skills=0x01F0
traits=0x0214
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x003C
members=0x0088
[position_offsets]
token=0x0000
flags=0x0020
general_name_singular=0x00E8
general_name_plural=0x0104
male_name_singular=0x0158
male_name_plural=0x0174
female_name_singluar=0x0120
female_name_plural=0x013C
custom_color_red=0x0382
custom_color_green=0x0380
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Excellent work my friend, sounds like it's actually not that far off usable.
Luckly I have been able to run it with the basic (and thankfully the most useful) functionalities such as add/remove professions and list the dwarves.What do you mean ?
But somehow from time to time it freezes during the Loading Dwarfs state (about 6%, 9% and at first at 33%). I don't know what could cause that, but it's annoying.
Anyhow, all of my thanks and support to DwarfEngineer!
You're testing last version of DT ?
I assume he's using exactly what i just quoted above (or he's done something similar himself) - i suggest you check stevedore's recent posts.
Post by: Myr0ku on February 15, 2012, 01:27:28 pm
You provide us a tool to use dwarf therapist on the last DF ?
Post by: Andreus on February 15, 2012, 01:36:40 pm
I don't think OP realizes that THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON HIM TO HURRY THE HECK UP to allow them to play this.
"I don't have much time" without stating a reason is just rude. Adventure mode is still too dull for me and Dwarf Mode is virtually unplayable without this mods help. :|
A boy whines and cries about the scarcity of comforts and conveniences.
A man is comfortable and grateful for what conveniences he has. I am grateful that only a day after release, Mayday had his tileset out for me to use.
A dwarf learns to live without - I spent the majority of my Dwarf Fortress career playing without Therapist. It's a tool, nothing more, and it's perfectly possible to play the game without it.
Are you a boy, a man, or a dwarf?
Post by: Terminutter on February 15, 2012, 01:41:29 pm
Also, can I join the condemnation train against Weaselcake and call him a self-entitled prat?
Post by: Katalliaan on February 15, 2012, 01:43:36 pm
Post by: Myr0ku on February 15, 2012, 01:43:52 pm
Post by: daishi5 on February 15, 2012, 01:56:23 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 15, 2012, 02:04:59 pm
Apart that, DwarfEngineer, can you just tell us if it's a question of days, weeks or even months ?Days. I will have some time tonight, and if all goes well, might even have a preliminary release. Otherwise, this weekend is when I'll have a serious chunk of time to work on it. Given that we've found a lot of the major offsets, I'm optimistic that I'll have something in the Friday/Saturday timeframe. I'd really like to get it done by Friday because I know people will be looking forward to burrowing in for the weekend and playing some serious DF'12. (I know I am)
Post by: Molay on February 15, 2012, 02:20:42 pm
Post by: kizucha on February 15, 2012, 02:23:04 pm
Apart that, DwarfEngineer, can you just tell us if it's a question of days, weeks or even months ?Days. I will have some time tonight, and if all goes well, might even have a preliminary release. Otherwise, this weekend is when I'll have a serious chunk of time to work on it. Given that we've found a lot of the major offsets, I'm optimistic that I'll have something in the Friday/Saturday timeframe. I'd really like to get it done by Friday because I know people will be looking forward to burrowing in for the weekend and playing some serious DF'12. (I know I am)
Dont overwork yourselfe and stay not to long in the night. ;) It's unhealty. ;D
Post by: kizucha on February 15, 2012, 02:23:34 pm
Post by: dyn on February 15, 2012, 02:28:38 pm
Code: [Select]
[dwarf_offsets]
souls=0x0764
[soul_details]
skills=0x0200
traits=0x0224
I'll be working on the squad vector next, which should make DT pretty much fully usable till the changes are officially released. For those interested, here is what I am working with now.
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[info]
checksum=0x4f391a33
version_name=v0.34.01 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x017e3638
language_vector=0x017e3618
creature_vector=0x0179f728
dwarf_race_index=0x015cbe9c
squad_vector=0x0
[offsets]
word_table=0x0000003c
string_buffer_offset=0x0000
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x001C
noun_plural=0x0038
adjective=0x0054
verb=0x008C
present_simple_verb=0x00A8
past_simple_verb=0x00C4
past_participle_verb=0x00E0
present_participle_verb=0x00FC
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x001C
last_name=0x0038
custom_profession=0x006C
profession=0x0088
race=0x008C
flags1=0x00E0
flags2=0x00E4
sex=0x00F8
id=0x00FC
recheck_equipment=0x01BC
birth_year=0x0224
current_job=0x030c
physical_attrs=0x3C4
states=0x0528
souls=0x0764
likes=0x07A0
labors=0x078c
happiness=0x082c
squad_ref_id=0x790
[soul_details]
skills=0x0200
traits=0x0224
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x003C
members=0x0088
[position_offsets]
token=0x0000
flags=0x0020
general_name_singular=0x00E8
general_name_plural=0x0104
male_name_singular=0x0158
male_name_plural=0x0174
female_name_singluar=0x0120
female_name_plural=0x013C
custom_color_red=0x0382
custom_color_green=0x0380
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Post by: Andreus on February 15, 2012, 02:32:30 pm
Days. I will have some time tonight, and if all goes well, might even have a preliminary release. Otherwise, this weekend is when I'll have a serious chunk of time to work on it. Given that we've found a lot of the major offsets, I'm optimistic that I'll have something in the Friday/Saturday timeframe. I'd really like to get it done by Friday because I know people will be looking forward to burrowing in for the weekend and playing some serious DF'12. (I know I am)
Sir, I thoroughly appreciate the effort you've put into this tool so far. Take as much time as you need to get it right.
Post by: Molay on February 15, 2012, 02:35:41 pm
does this mean I can use an old version of DT when replacing the respective parts with what you posted?
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 02:45:52 pm
@dyn
does this mean I can use an old version of DT when replacing the respective parts with what you posted?
As mentioned a few times earlier in the thread, you just have to take his large block of code (the one that starts with [info]) and put it in a file in the following place:
DwarfTherapist\etc\memory_layouts\windows\v0.34.01_graphics.ini
There aren't any changes required to DT itself, so you don't actually need a new "version", it just needs to have the information of where to look for all of the data, which is what this file contains.
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 02:47:42 pm
Finally, I found the soul offsets. These changes should allow DT to show all the traits and skill experience.Code: [Select][dwarf_offsets]
souls=0x0764
[soul_details]
skills=0x0200
traits=0x0224
Damn good job! I had been looking at 0x0764 for the soul offset (it's the same delta between that and labours in both versions, right?) but didn't know well enough what I was actually looking for to be able to identify it, coupled with the soul_details offsets changing, I was pretty much screwed on that one.
Post by: ClubFoot on February 15, 2012, 02:48:42 pm
For the OS X users:
If you right-click the app and click "Show Package Contents", you can click through to Contents\Resources\etc. The ini files for the offsets live there. Unfortunately I'm in the middle of a sprint at work, so I probably won't have time to test offsets on the OS X side until after work tonight.
thank you!
See - I knew there was an easy answer and I was just dumb.
Post by: sergisaf on February 15, 2012, 02:52:35 pm
Dang.
P.S.: Is there a way to debug DT to know where is exactly the loading failing?
Post by: Gearheart on February 15, 2012, 02:56:00 pm
DE, you are a gentleman and a scholar and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 02:58:54 pm
So let's say that with dyn's .ini everything was working just great (souls! yay!) but then a fucking migration wave of 3 dwarves (can 3 dwarves actually be called a migration wave? it'd be more like switching homes or whatever) fucked up and DT now just freezes every time I run it.
Dang.
P.S.: Is there a way to debug DT to know where is exactly the loading failing?
You can try restarting both DF and DT; that might solve it (I think it did for me when I encountered a similar issue while trying to find offsets).
As far as the debugging goes, in theory run.log should have some information, but I found that the stuff it prints while reading dwarves doesn't give enough information. If it crashes even after restarting DF, if you could zip up your save and put it somewhere that we can download it, that may be helpful for debugging the issue (if it's tied to some condition in the save and not some other factor entirely)
Post by: sergisaf on February 15, 2012, 03:03:15 pm
Hell yeah.
Restarting worked.
Lots of thanks.
Post by: ClubFoot on February 15, 2012, 03:08:26 pm
For the OS X users:
If you right-click the app and click "Show Package Contents", you can click through to Contents\Resources\etc. The ini files for the offsets live there. Unfortunately I'm in the middle of a sprint at work, so I probably won't have time to test offsets on the OS X side until after work tonight.
See - I knew there was an easy answer and I was just dumb.
is there a doc someplace on the structure of ini files for DT? I observe that the structure of the ini files are different for windows vs osx.
Windows:
a <version>_legacy.ini and a <version>_graphics.ini file for each release
osx:
just a single <version>.ini file for each release.
Is the windows structure to support legacy versions of DT, or do I somehow need to have both?
Also - I've got a mac (clearly), and I can read hex - so I'm happy to go looking for the mac-specific offsets myself if someone can point me to a guide for how you identify what you're looking for in the core...surely you're not just randomly guessing memory addresses....
Post by: Molay on February 15, 2012, 03:19:32 pm
You make me smile. You give me hope DT will be fixed earlier than we thought.
Thanks for all your dedication, glad we have skilled people here!
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on February 15, 2012, 03:20:22 pm
Post by: Feb on February 15, 2012, 03:24:27 pm
I'm so glad the DF community is made out of some really smart people. It's great to follow the research on DT and to see every little news on what people find out on the matter.
You make me smile. You give me hope DT will be fixed earlier than we thought.
Thanks for all your dedication, glad we have skilled people here!
Not only we have smart people, we even have considerate, grateful not-so-smart people (self included) I looked at our community fortress and I looked at the MC servers. Hell, we have people (as in virtual strangers) here that are willing to work together ffs! You've no idea how rare it's to see nowadays, all the other games are filled with people like !!XWeaselCakeX!! (I just learned what those icons mean today when I melted to death :P)
Post by: Sparrorf on February 15, 2012, 03:27:13 pm
i hope that you can manage to make the DT compatible with the new version, we'll be waiting patiently :)
Post by: vemiermark4 on February 15, 2012, 03:35:37 pm
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 03:36:06 pm
For the OS X users:
If you right-click the app and click "Show Package Contents", you can click through to Contents\Resources\etc. The ini files for the offsets live there. Unfortunately I'm in the middle of a sprint at work, so I probably won't have time to test offsets on the OS X side until after work tonight.
See - I knew there was an easy answer and I was just dumb.
is there a doc someplace on the structure of ini files for DT? I observe that the structure of the ini files are different for windows vs osx.
Windows:
a <version>_legacy.ini and a <version>_graphics.ini file for each release
osx:
just a single <version>.ini file for each release.
Is the windows structure to support legacy versions of DT, or do I somehow need to have both?
Also - I've got a mac (clearly), and I can read hex - so I'm happy to go looking for the mac-specific offsets myself if someone can point me to a guide for how you identify what you're looking for in the core...surely you're not just randomly guessing memory addresses....
Yes, the Windows structure is for side-by-side support of legacy and SDL versions.
As for finding the offsets... some of it has been guesswork, some more deterministic. There's a wiki post on the google code site (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/MappingNewVersions (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/MappingNewVersions)) that describes it, but it's quite outdated so only gives you a very rough idea.
Here's a quick guide to how I figured out some values:
modify DwarfTherapist\etc\game_data.ini, and change the following values:
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total_words_per_table = 2173
expected_dwarf_race = 465
I don't know for sure that expected_dwarf_race should be changed; it's just a guess. I'm thinking it will probably have the same index in windows and on mac, but it might not. Worst case, this won't be any more incorrect than the value from the old version.
Generate a new world. When you go to embark, give your first dwarf the nickname "this_is_a_long_name" and custom profession "0123456789abcdef".
Once you're in game, just pause.
If you start dwarf therapist and click "connect to DF", it should say "connected to unknown version" in the status bar. Look for run.log (I assume it's within the package, maybe? Not absolutely sure) and look for a line where it says that it can't find a memory layout for checksum 0xXXXXXXXX - copy this hex value.
Close down DT, and copy v0.31.25.ini to v0.34.01.ini. Change the first two sections to look like (copying the checksum value you got from run.log):
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[info]
checksum=0xXXXXXXXX
version_name=v0.34.01 (graphics)
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x0
language_vector=0x0
creature_vector=0x0
dwarf_race_index=0x0
squad_vector=0x0
You can start DT again and connect to DF. Now, hit "Scan Memory". In this dialog, you want to try the four buttons on the right for finding creature vector, dwarf race index, translation vector, and squad vector. If they work, they'll print out some values that you can put into your .ini file, then restart DT and see if it's starting to read anything.
If it's reading the dwarves, you can right click on them and select Dump Memory to get, surprise surprise, a dump of the memory pertaining to that dwarf. From here it's been a bit more guess-work for me, but mostly I was looking at the offsets in my .ini file and trying to determine if the values at those offsets made sense. If DT finds your dwarf race index (more on that a bit later), for instance, that's an easy one to verify, since you just look for a specific hex value at an offset (remembering that it will be in little-endian representation). The labour offset is another semi-easy one; you'll be looking for a large area of repeated bytes that are either 01 or 00. Mining has index 0, so if you go in game and toggle it, you should see one byte going from 00 to 01 and back, etc, and the address of that byte is your labour offset.
on the dwarf race index:
DT didnt' find this value for me. I found that if I looked in run.log, I saw some lines like this after running the search for it:
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2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core PTR 13734bf "" [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:77] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core MATCH! offset 46 2e [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:80] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core READ ADDR FROM 13734ed = 252be9c [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:82] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core RACE VALUE 465 HEX 1d1 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:84] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core PTR 13736eb "" [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:77] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core MATCH! offset 31 1f [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:80] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core READ ADDR FROM 137370a = 252be9c [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:82] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core RACE VALUE 465 HEX 1d1 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:84] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core PTR 15558c6 "" [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:77] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core MATCH! offset 28 1c [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:80] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core READ ADDR FROM 15558e2 = 252be9c [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:82] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core RACE VALUE 465 HEX 1d1 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:84] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core PTR 19b0537 "" [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:77] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core MATCH! offset 25 19 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:80] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core READ ADDR FROM 19b0550 = 252be9c [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:82] (go)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core RACE VALUE 465 HEX 1d1 [bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:84] (go)
If you're seeing several lines like this that all have a matching race value pop up, then just try one of the addresses from one of these lines (the address is in red)
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2012-Feb-15 15:30:51.231 DEBUG core READ ADDR FROM 19b0550 = [color=red]252be9c[/color][bin/release/../../../dwarftherapist/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:82] (go)
You'll have to subtract the appropriate offset from it first, however, before it's appropriate for putting into your .ini file. Look for this value (again, red) in run.log:
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2012-Feb-15 15:30:49.001 DEBUG core base address: "0x01360000" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:258] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-15 15:30:49.001 DEBUG core memory correction: "[color=red]0x00f60000[/color]" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:259] (find_running_copy)
And subtract that value from the address you got a step before. That's what you'll put in your .ini file.
I hope that gives you at least somewhere to start.
Post by: talrave on February 15, 2012, 04:28:15 pm
I have the habit of assigning everyone to do mining until the basic layout of the first floor is done so everyone can have shelter and all items and food can be put away. Well, I assigned everyone via DT, committed changes, and unpaused DF... Nothing. Just my two miners from before whittling away while everyone else sets on their thumbs.
I check; we have 7 pickaxes, everyone has 'mining' set in game. Huh. I manually turned their mining off and on, unpaused, and OFF to work they go!!
So yeah, not sure if they are actually doing the jobs they get assigned in DT or not, but I had to manually un-switch then re-switch them in DF for it to work.
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 04:30:00 pm
Hmmm... so using the modified .ini, everything loads and appears to be working right, however I might have run in to a small problem.
I have the habit of assigning everyone to do mining until the basic layout of the first floor is done so everyone can have shelter and all items and food can be put away. Well, I assigned everyone via DT, committed changes, and unpaused DF... Nothing. Just my two miners from before whittling away while everyone else sets on their thumbs.
I check; we have 7 pickaxes, everyone has 'mining' set in game. Huh. I manually turned their mining off and on, unpaused, and OFF to work they go!!
So yeah, not sure if they are actually doing the jobs they get assigned in DT or not, but I had to manually un-switch then re-switch them in DF for it to work.
I've read about some bugs with workshops and construction - it's possible they're actually labour bugs, and it was manifesting here. If it showed as enabled in-game, then there's not much more DT can do.
Post by: smirk on February 15, 2012, 04:39:10 pm
Hmmm... so using the modified .ini, everything loads and appears to be working right, however I might have run in to a small problem.
I have the habit of assigning everyone to do mining until the basic layout of the first floor is done so everyone can have shelter and all items and food can be put away. Well, I assigned everyone via DT, committed changes, and unpaused DF... Nothing. Just my two miners from before whittling away while everyone else sets on their thumbs.
I check; we have 7 pickaxes, everyone has 'mining' set in game. Huh. I manually turned their mining off and on, unpaused, and OFF to work they go!!
So yeah, not sure if they are actually doing the jobs they get assigned in DT or not, but I had to manually un-switch then re-switch them in DF for it to work.
I seem to recall that this was a DT bug for a while back in DF2010 as well, where setting mining and woodcutting wouldn't appropriately flag the dwarf to go pick up its equipment. It was only a problem with those two, because they required tools. It was fixed, but I have no idea how. Most likely the new version has broken that fix again. Just one more thing to dig back out of memory.
DwarfEngineer, stevedore, dyn, thanks for all your work getting this thing back on its feet. You are good people.
Post by: Saranis on February 15, 2012, 04:51:01 pm
Step 1: Downloaded and unzipped df_34_01_win.zip (the new SDL version of DF)
Step 2: Downloaded and unzipped Dwarf Therapist 6.10 off the link from the first post in this thread.
Step 3: Located Modified .INI file in thread http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2990788#msg2990788 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2990788#msg2990788)
Step 4: Created v0.34.01_graphics.ini file in "...DwarfTherapist-0.6.10\ect\memory_layouts\windows"
Step 5: Copied code from aforementioned post into v0.34.01_graphics.ini
Step 6: Ran Dwarf Fortress with New World
Step 7: Ran Dwarf Therapist which starts and then freezes while trying to read Dwarves.
Am I missing a critical step or am I just out of luck?
Here is my Run.log
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2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.253 INFO core Dwarf Therapist "0.6.10" starting normally. [../dwarftherapist/src/dwarftherapist.cpp:100] (setup_logging)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.332 INFO core Loaded 4 views from disk [../dwarftherapist/src/viewmanager.cpp:126] (reload_views)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.365 DEBUG core "redrew views in 33ms" [../dwarftherapist/src/viewmanager.cpp:158] (draw_views)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.368 DEBUG core setting up connections for MainWindow [../dwarftherapist/src/mainwindow.cpp:116] (MainWindow)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.370 DEBUG core group_by now set to 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/models/dwarfmodel.cpp:435] (set_group_by)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.370 DEBUG core beginning to read settings [../dwarftherapist/src/dwarftherapist.cpp:122] (read_settings)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.371 DEBUG core finished reading settings [../dwarftherapist/src/dwarftherapist.cpp:168] (read_settings)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.483 DEBUG core attempting connection to running DF game [../dwarftherapist/src/mainwindow.cpp:225] (connect_to_df)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.492 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.492 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.01 (graphics)" "0x4f391a33" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.493 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.493 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.21 (legacy)" "0x4d743206" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.494 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.494 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.21 (graphics)" "0x4d743da7" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.495 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.495 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.20 (legacy)" "0x4d72f10d" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.496 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.496 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.20 (graphics)" "0x4d734fb5" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.497 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.497 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.19 (legacy)" "0x4d5b9f3c" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.498 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.498 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.19 (graphics)" "0x4d5bc345" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.499 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.499 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.18 (legacy)" "0x4ce278c2" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.500 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.500 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.18 (graphics)" "0x4ce2841d" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.500 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.500 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.17 (legacy)" "0x4cdc0c76" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.501 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.501 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.17 (graphics)" "0x4cdc27a0" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.502 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.502 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.16 (legacy)" "0x4ca9c859" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.503 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.503 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.16 (graphics)" "0x4ca9d544" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.504 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.504 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.15 (legacy)" "0x4ca859cd" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.505 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.505 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.15 (graphics)" "0x4ca869ea" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.506 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.506 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.14 (legacy)" "0x4c9b4c27" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.507 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.507 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.14 (graphics)" "0x4c9b6efb" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.507 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.508 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.13 (legacy)" "0x4c908b66" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.508 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.508 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.13 (graphics)" "0x4c90ada8" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.509 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.509 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.12 (legacy)" "0x4c4c1527" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.510 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.510 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.12 (graphics)" "0x4c4c32e7" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.511 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.511 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.11 (legacy)" "0x4c495d9f" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.512 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.512 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.11 (graphics)" "0x4c496d93" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.513 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.513 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.10 (legacy)" "0x4c397516" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.514 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.514 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.10 (graphics)" "0x4c398089" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.515 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.515 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.08 (legacy)" "0x4c1d60a0" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.516 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.516 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.08 (graphics)" "0x4c1d69fe" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.516 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.517 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.06 (legacy)" "0x4c0f6a01" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.517 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.517 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.06 (graphics)" "0x4c0f83d5" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.518 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.518 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.05 (legacy)" "0x4c090730" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.519 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.519 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.05 (graphics)" "0x4c091569" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.520 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.520 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.04 (legacy)" "0x4befdde5" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.521 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.521 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.04 (graphics)" "0x4bf014fa" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.522 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.522 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.03" "0x4bc3c470" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.523 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.523 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.02" "0x4bbdf378" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.524 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.524 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.01" "0x4bb45f99" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.524 ERROR core Skipping read of invalid memory layout in "C:/Users/Milnes/Desktop/DwarfTherapist-0.6.10/etc/memory_layouts/windows/.ini" [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:39] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:08.525 DEBUG core attempting to find running copy of DF by window handle [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:186] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:09.658 INFO core RUNNING VERSION : "0.6.10" [../dwarftherapist/src/mainwindow.cpp:382] (version_check_finished)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:09.658 INFO core LATEST AVAILABLE VERSION: "0.6.4" [../dwarftherapist/src/mainwindow.cpp:383] (version_check_finished)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:10.072 WARNING core can't find running copy [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:199] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.904 DEBUG core attempting connection to running DF game [../dwarftherapist/src/mainwindow.cpp:225] (connect_to_df)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.904 DEBUG core already connected, disconnecting [../dwarftherapist/src/mainwindow.cpp:227] (connect_to_df)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.904 DEBUG core DFInstance baseclass virtual dtor! [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:110] (~DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.912 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.912 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.01 (graphics)" "0x4f391a33" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.912 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.913 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.21 (legacy)" "0x4d743206" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.913 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.913 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.21 (graphics)" "0x4d743da7" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.914 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.914 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.20 (legacy)" "0x4d72f10d" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.914 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.914 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.20 (graphics)" "0x4d734fb5" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.915 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.915 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.19 (legacy)" "0x4d5b9f3c" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.916 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.916 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.19 (graphics)" "0x4d5bc345" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.916 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.916 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.18 (legacy)" "0x4ce278c2" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.916 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.916 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.18 (graphics)" "0x4ce2841d" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.917 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.917 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.17 (legacy)" "0x4cdc0c76" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.917 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.917 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.17 (graphics)" "0x4cdc27a0" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.918 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.918 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.16 (legacy)" "0x4ca9c859" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.918 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.918 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.16 (graphics)" "0x4ca9d544" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.919 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.919 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.15 (legacy)" "0x4ca859cd" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.920 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.920 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.15 (graphics)" "0x4ca869ea" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.920 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.920 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.14 (legacy)" "0x4c9b4c27" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.921 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.921 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.14 (graphics)" "0x4c9b6efb" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.921 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.921 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.13 (legacy)" "0x4c908b66" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.922 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.922 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.13 (graphics)" "0x4c90ada8" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.923 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.923 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.12 (legacy)" "0x4c4c1527" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.923 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.923 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.12 (graphics)" "0x4c4c32e7" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.924 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.924 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.11 (legacy)" "0x4c495d9f" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.924 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.924 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.11 (graphics)" "0x4c496d93" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.925 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.925 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.10 (legacy)" "0x4c397516" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.926 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.926 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.10 (graphics)" "0x4c398089" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.926 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.926 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.08 (legacy)" "0x4c1d60a0" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.927 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.927 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.08 (graphics)" "0x4c1d69fe" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.927 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.927 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.06 (legacy)" "0x4c0f6a01" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.928 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.928 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.06 (graphics)" "0x4c0f83d5" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.929 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.929 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.05 (legacy)" "0x4c090730" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.929 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.929 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.05 (graphics)" "0x4c091569" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.930 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.930 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.04 (legacy)" "0x4befdde5" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.930 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.930 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.04 (graphics)" "0x4bf014fa" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.931 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.931 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.03" "0x4bc3c470" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.931 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.932 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.02" "0x4bbdf378" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.932 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.932 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.01" "0x4bb45f99" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.932 ERROR core Skipping read of invalid memory layout in "C:/Users/Milnes/Desktop/DwarfTherapist-0.6.10/etc/memory_layouts/windows/.ini" [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:39] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 DEBUG core attempting to find running copy of DF by window handle [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:186] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 DEBUG core found copy with HWND: 0xa03c8 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:202] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 DEBUG core PID of process is: 1752 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:209] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 DEBUG core PROC HANDLE: 0x690 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:217] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 DEBUG core PEB is at: 0x7ffdf000 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:223] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 DEBUG core read 12 bytes BASE ADDR is at: 0x3a0000 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:236] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 DEBUG core Target EXE was compiled at "2012-02-14T03:12:03" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:70] (calculate_checksum)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 DEBUG core DF's checksum is: "0x4f391a33" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:653] (get_memory_layout)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 INFO core Detected Dwarf Fortress version "v0.34.01 (graphics)" using MemoryLayout from "C:/Users/Milnes/Desktop/DwarfTherapist-0.6.10/etc/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.01_graphics.ini" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:665] (get_memory_layout)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 DEBUG core base address: "0x003a0000" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:258] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.933 DEBUG core memory correction: "0xfffa0000" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:259] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.937 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 342 rejected 100 total 442 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.937 DEBUG core GetModuleFileNameEx returned: "C:\Users\Milnes\Desktop\df_34_01_win\Dwarf Fortress.exe" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:272] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.937 INFO core Dwarf fortress path: "C:/Users/Milnes/Desktop/df_34_01_win" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:275] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:34.940 DEBUG core Connection to unknown DF Version established. [../dwarftherapist/src/mainwindow.cpp:249] (connect_to_df)
2012-Feb-16 11:00:55.550 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:01:15.545 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:01:35.547 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:01:55.555 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:02:15.546 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:02:35.552 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:02:55.556 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:03:15.541 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:03:35.544 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:03:55.554 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:03:56.571 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 1 rejected 1 total 2 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:03:56.571 WARNING core Active Memory Layout "C:/Users/Milnes/Desktop/DwarfTherapist-0.6.10/etc/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.01_graphics.ini" ( "v0.34.01 (graphics)" ) contains an invalid creature_vector address. Either you are scanning a new DF version or your config files are corrupted. [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:272] (load_dwarves)
2012-Feb-16 11:03:56.571 WARNING core Active Memory Layout "C:/Users/Milnes/Desktop/DwarfTherapist-0.6.10/etc/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.01_graphics.ini" ( "v0.34.01 (graphics)" ) contains an invalid squad_vector address. Either you are scanning a new DF version or your config files are corrupted. [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:344] (load_squads)
2012-Feb-16 11:03:56.571 WARNING core lost connection to DF [../dwarftherapist/src/mainwindow.cpp:295] (lost_df_connection)
2012-Feb-16 11:03:56.586 DEBUG core DFInstance baseclass virtual dtor! [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:110] (~DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.236 DEBUG core attempting connection to running DF game [../dwarftherapist/src/mainwindow.cpp:225] (connect_to_df)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.247 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.247 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.01 (graphics)" "0x4f391a33" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.248 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.248 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.21 (legacy)" "0x4d743206" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.249 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.249 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.21 (graphics)" "0x4d743da7" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.250 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.250 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.20 (legacy)" "0x4d72f10d" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.250 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.250 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.20 (graphics)" "0x4d734fb5" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.251 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.251 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.19 (legacy)" "0x4d5b9f3c" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.252 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.252 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.19 (graphics)" "0x4d5bc345" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.253 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.253 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.18 (legacy)" "0x4ce278c2" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.253 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.254 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.18 (graphics)" "0x4ce2841d" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.254 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.255 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.17 (legacy)" "0x4cdc0c76" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.255 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.255 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.17 (graphics)" "0x4cdc27a0" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.256 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.256 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.16 (legacy)" "0x4ca9c859" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.257 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.257 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.16 (graphics)" "0x4ca9d544" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.258 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.258 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.15 (legacy)" "0x4ca859cd" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.259 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.259 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.15 (graphics)" "0x4ca869ea" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.260 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.260 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.14 (legacy)" "0x4c9b4c27" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.261 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.261 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.14 (graphics)" "0x4c9b6efb" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.262 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.262 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.13 (legacy)" "0x4c908b66" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.262 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.263 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.13 (graphics)" "0x4c90ada8" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.263 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.263 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.12 (legacy)" "0x4c4c1527" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.264 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.264 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.12 (graphics)" "0x4c4c32e7" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.265 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.265 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.11 (legacy)" "0x4c495d9f" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.266 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.266 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.11 (graphics)" "0x4c496d93" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.267 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.267 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.10 (legacy)" "0x4c397516" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.268 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.268 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.10 (graphics)" "0x4c398089" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.269 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.269 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.08 (legacy)" "0x4c1d60a0" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.269 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.270 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.08 (graphics)" "0x4c1d69fe" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.270 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.270 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.06 (legacy)" "0x4c0f6a01" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.271 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.271 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.06 (graphics)" "0x4c0f83d5" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.272 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.272 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.05 (legacy)" "0x4c090730" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.272 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.272 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.05 (graphics)" "0x4c091569" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.273 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.273 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.04 (legacy)" "0x4befdde5" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.273 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.273 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.04 (graphics)" "0x4bf014fa" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.274 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.274 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.03" "0x4bc3c470" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.275 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.275 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.02" "0x4bbdf378" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.275 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:76] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.275 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.01" "0x4bb45f99" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:95] (DFInstance)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 ERROR core Skipping read of invalid memory layout in "C:/Users/Milnes/Desktop/DwarfTherapist-0.6.10/etc/memory_layouts/windows/.ini" [../dwarftherapist/src/memorylayout.cpp:39] (load_data)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 DEBUG core attempting to find running copy of DF by window handle [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:186] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 DEBUG core found copy with HWND: 0x903c0 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:202] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 DEBUG core PID of process is: 4704 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:209] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 DEBUG core PROC HANDLE: 0x68c [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:217] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 DEBUG core PEB is at: 0x7ffd3000 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:223] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 DEBUG core read 12 bytes BASE ADDR is at: 0xe70000 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:236] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 DEBUG core Target EXE was compiled at "2012-02-14T03:12:03" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:70] (calculate_checksum)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 DEBUG core DF's checksum is: "0x4f391a33" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:653] (get_memory_layout)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 INFO core Detected Dwarf Fortress version "v0.34.01 (graphics)" using MemoryLayout from "C:/Users/Milnes/Desktop/DwarfTherapist-0.6.10/etc/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.01_graphics.ini" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:665] (get_memory_layout)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 DEBUG core base address: "0x00e70000" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:258] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.276 DEBUG core memory correction: "0x00a70000" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:259] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.291 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 362 rejected 108 total 470 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.291 DEBUG core GetModuleFileNameEx returned: "C:\Users\Milnes\Desktop\df_34_01_win\Dwarf Fortress.exe" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:272] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.291 INFO core Dwarf fortress path: "C:/Users/Milnes/Desktop/df_34_01_win" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:275] (find_running_copy)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:03.292 DEBUG core Connection to unknown DF Version established. [../dwarftherapist/src/mainwindow.cpp:249] (connect_to_df)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:05.199 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 362 rejected 108 total 470 [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstancewindows.cpp:365] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:05.199 DEBUG core loading creatures from "0x0220f728" "0x0179f728" (UNCORRECTED) [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:287] (load_dwarves)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:05.199 DEBUG core dwarf race index "0x0203be9c" "0x015cbe9c" (UNCORRECTED) [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:289] (load_dwarves)
2012-Feb-16 11:04:05.200 DEBUG core dwarf race: "0x000001d1" [../dwarftherapist/src/dfinstance.cpp:296] (load_dwarves)
Edit: Sorry, I posted the wrong log earlier, the above one is correct one.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 15, 2012, 04:52:08 pm
Hmmm... so using the modified .ini, everything loads and appears to be working right, however I might have run in to a small problem.Just means that nobody has found the recheck_equipment offset yet :)
I have the habit of assigning everyone to do mining until the basic layout of the first floor is done so everyone can have shelter and all items and food can be put away. Well, I assigned everyone via DT, committed changes, and unpaused DF... Nothing. Just my two miners from before whittling away while everyone else sets on their thumbs.
I check; we have 7 pickaxes, everyone has 'mining' set in game. Huh. I manually turned their mining off and on, unpaused, and OFF to work they go!!
So yeah, not sure if they are actually doing the jobs they get assigned in DT or not, but I had to manually un-switch then re-switch them in DF for it to work.
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 04:59:41 pm
Hmmm... so using the modified .ini, everything loads and appears to be working right, however I might have run in to a small problem.
I have the habit of assigning everyone to do mining until the basic layout of the first floor is done so everyone can have shelter and all items and food can be put away. Well, I assigned everyone via DT, committed changes, and unpaused DF... Nothing. Just my two miners from before whittling away while everyone else sets on their thumbs.
I check; we have 7 pickaxes, everyone has 'mining' set in game. Huh. I manually turned their mining off and on, unpaused, and OFF to work they go!!
So yeah, not sure if they are actually doing the jobs they get assigned in DT or not, but I had to manually un-switch then re-switch them in DF for it to work.
I seem to recall that this was a DT bug for a while back in DF2010 as well, where setting mining and woodcutting wouldn't appropriately flag the dwarf to go pick up its equipment. It was only a problem with those two, because they required tools. It was fixed, but I have no idea how. Most likely the new version has broken that fix again. Just one more thing to dig back out of memory.
DwarfEngineer, stevedore, dyn, thanks for all your work getting this thing back on its feet. You are good people.
Oh! This makes sense. There's a specific flag recheck_equipment that probably needs to be set for those jobs (now that I hear about this, that offset value suddenly makes sense), and we likely have the wrong offset for it. I'll look into that right now, actually. It should hopefully be a reasonably quick solution.
Post by: dyn on February 15, 2012, 05:04:52 pm
Oh! This makes sense. There's a specific flag recheck_equipment that probably needs to be set for those jobs (now that I hear about this, that offset value suddenly makes sense), and we likely have the wrong offset for it. I'll look into that right now, actually. It should hopefully be a reasonably quick solution.
Try recheck_equipment=0x01c0
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 05:08:40 pm
Oh! This makes sense. There's a specific flag recheck_equipment that probably needs to be set for those jobs (now that I hear about this, that offset value suddenly makes sense), and we likely have the wrong offset for it. I'll look into that right now, actually. It should hopefully be a reasonably quick solution.
Try recheck_equipment=0x01c0
You're too fast, dangit! ;) Got there before me. I got 0x01C0 too.
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 05:17:30 pm
I'm having trouble getting the ini working. Below are the steps I took.
Step 1: Downloaded and unzipped df_34_01_win.zip (the new SDL version of DF)
Step 2: Downloaded and unzipped Dwarf Therapist 6.10 off the link from the first post in this thread.
Step 3: Located Modified .INI file in thread http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2990788#msg2990788 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2990788#msg2990788)
Step 4: Created v0.34.01_graphics.ini file in "...DwarfTherapist-0.6.10\ect\memory_layouts\windows"
Step 5: Copied code from aforementioned post into v0.34.01_graphics.ini
Step 6: Ran Dwarf Fortress with New World
Step 7: Ran Dwarf Therapist which starts and then freezes while trying to read Dwarves.
Am I missing a critical step or am I just out of luck?
Here is my Run.logCode: [Select]code
Edit: Sorry, I posted the wrong log earlier, the above one is correct one.
Try restarting Dwarf Fortress. It's been the fix for a few people that have run into a similar problem.
Post by: Saranis on February 15, 2012, 05:23:42 pm
I'm having trouble getting the ini working. Below are the steps I took.
Step 1: Downloaded and unzipped df_34_01_win.zip (the new SDL version of DF)
Step 2: Downloaded and unzipped Dwarf Therapist 6.10 off the link from the first post in this thread.
Step 3: Located Modified .INI file in thread http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2990788#msg2990788 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg2990788#msg2990788)
Step 4: Created v0.34.01_graphics.ini file in "...DwarfTherapist-0.6.10\ect\memory_layouts\windows"
Step 5: Copied code from aforementioned post into v0.34.01_graphics.ini
Step 6: Ran Dwarf Fortress with New World
Step 7: Ran Dwarf Therapist which starts and then freezes while trying to read Dwarves.
Am I missing a critical step or am I just out of luck?
Here is my Run.logCode: [Select]code
Edit: Sorry, I posted the wrong log earlier, the above one is correct one.
Try restarting Dwarf Fortress. It's been the fix for a few people that have run into a similar problem.
Tried that 100 times already, no luck.
Seem to have discovered a nice lil memory leak though, Task Manager is reporting over 400,000k while trying to read dwarves.
Post by: stevedore on February 15, 2012, 05:28:49 pm
Tried that 100 times already, no luck.
Seem to have discovered a nice lil memory leak though, Task Manager is reporting over 400,000k while trying to read dwarves.
Hm. Unfortunately in that case there isn't a whole heck of a lot more I can add. You can try generating a new world and that may be enough to fix it.
I'm not sure if this issue is related to the fact that we haven't found all of the offsets yet, or if it's because there's actually some sort of bug somewhere, so it's difficult to say what will fix it.
From the memory leak, sounds like we're getting into some sort of infinite loop. Apparently some people have found it can just take a few minutes to read dwarves, but I can't say that happens for sure.
Post by: Couchmonster on February 15, 2012, 06:07:05 pm
I redownloaded DT. Now I recognized that there is no 31.25 file... maybe that is the problem... there was no update before updating to 34.01.
Tried downgrade which works. Still the mem problem in the run.log with the new version.
Post by: Rickeon on February 15, 2012, 06:54:16 pm
Post by: Kreastr on February 15, 2012, 08:31:00 pm
The dump shows following.
Code: [Select]
ADDR | 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F | TEXT
------------------------------------------------------------------------
0x1650b900 | 46 49 4e 47 45 52 53 3a 52 43 50 5f 12 00 00 00 | FINGERS:RCP_12...
0x1650b910 | 1f 00 00 00 43 50 5f 32 53 4b 49 4e 00 3a 52 43 | 1f...CP_2SKIN.:RC
0x1650b920 | 50 5f 4e 4f 53 45 3a 52 04 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 | P_NOSE:R04...0f...
0x1650b930 | 53 3a 52 43 00 5f 4c 55 4e 47 53 3a 52 43 50 5f | S:RC._LUNGS:RCP_
0x1650b940 | 48 45 41 52 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 54 53 3a 52 | HEAR....0f...TS:R
0x1650b950 | 13 00 5f 54 1e 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 64 00 00 00 | 13._T1e...01...d...
0x1650b960 | 01 00 00 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 43 4b ff ff ff ff | 01...05.....CKffffffff
0x1650b970 | 00 00 52 41 00 4e 3a 52 43 50 5f 53 4b 55 4c 4c | ..RA.N:RCP_SKULL
0x1650b980 | 3a 52 43 50 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 43 50 5f 54 | :RCP....0f...CP_T
0x1650b990 | ff ff ff ff 00 00 0a 28 ac 26 0c 29 61 ea 61 ea | ffffffff..0a(ac&0c)aeaaea
0x1650b9a0 | 55 10 50 5f 00 49 42 53 3a 52 43 50 5f 45 59 45 | U10P_.IBS:RCP_EYE
0x1650b9b0 | 4c 49 44 53 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 5d 00 00 00 | LIDS....0f...]...
0x1650b9c0 | e9 b1 06 74 00 00 00 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | e9b106t...8880.......
0x1650b9d0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 42 4f 44 59 00 00 00 00 | ........BODY....
0x1650b9e0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 4f 44 59 3a 00 00 00 00 | ........ODY:....
0x1650b9f0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 5f 53 49 4d 00 00 00 00 | ........_SIM....
0x1650ba00 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 47 53 3a 52 00 00 00 00 | ........GS:R....
0x1650ba10 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 41 52 5f 4c a0 6b fd 17 | ........AR_La0kfd17
0x1650ba20 | a4 6b fd 17 a4 6b fd 17 3a 52 43 50 00 76 fd 17 | a4kfd17a4kfd17:RCP.vfd17
0x1650ba30 | 04 76 fd 17 04 76 fd 17 50 5f 34 5f f0 75 fd 17 | 04vfd1704vfd17P_4_f0ufd17
0x1650ba40 | f4 75 fd 17 f4 75 fd 17 43 50 5f 34 e0 75 fd 17 | f4ufd17f4ufd17CP_4e0ufd17
0x1650ba50 | e4 75 fd 17 e4 75 fd 17 43 50 5f 32 d0 75 fd 17 | e4ufd17e4ufd17CP_2d0ufd17
0x1650ba60 | d4 75 fd 17 d4 75 fd 17 4e 47 53 3a c0 75 fd 17 | d4ufd17d4ufd17NGS:c0ufd17
0x1650ba70 | c4 75 fd 17 c4 75 fd 17 50 5f 47 55 b0 75 fd 17 | c4ufd17c4ufd17P_GUb0ufd17
0x1650ba80 | b4 75 fd 17 b4 75 fd 17 54 3a 52 43 00 5f 53 50 | b4ufd17b4ufd17T:RC._SP
0x1650ba90 | 49 4e 45 3a 52 43 50 5f 4e 45 43 4b 00 00 00 00 | INE:RCP_NECK....
0x1650baa0 | 0f 00 00 00 49 4e 3a 52 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 0f...IN:R........
0x1650bab0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 54 48 3a 52 ff ff ff ff | ........TH:Rffffffff
0x1650bac0 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650bad0 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650bae0 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 8c b1 06 74 00 00 00 88 | ffffffffffffffff8cb106t...88
0x1650baf0 | 81 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 81...............
0x1650bb00 | 42 4f 44 59 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | BODY............
0x1650bb10 | 4f 44 59 3a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ODY:............
0x1650bb20 | 5f 54 57 4f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | _TWO............
0x1650bb30 | 43 50 5f 54 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | CP_T............
0x1650bb40 | 3a 52 43 50 a0 75 fd 17 a4 75 fd 17 a4 75 fd 17 | :RCPa0ufd17a4ufd17a4ufd17
0x1650bb50 | 46 49 4e 47 90 75 fd 17 94 75 fd 17 94 75 fd 17 | FING90ufd1794ufd1794ufd17
0x1650bb60 | 45 53 3a 52 80 75 fd 17 84 75 fd 17 84 75 fd 17 | ES:R80ufd1784ufd1784ufd17
0x1650bb70 | 50 5f 4e 4f 70 75 fd 17 74 75 fd 17 74 75 fd 17 | P_NOpufd17tufd17tufd17
0x1650bb80 | 53 3a 52 43 a0 76 fd 17 a4 76 fd 17 a4 76 fd 17 | S:RCa0vfd17a4vfd17a4vfd17
0x1650bb90 | 48 45 41 52 90 76 fd 17 94 76 fd 17 94 76 fd 17 | HEAR90vfd1794vfd1794vfd17
0x1650bba0 | 43 50 5f 54 80 76 fd 17 84 76 fd 17 84 76 fd 17 | CP_T80vfd1784vfd1784vfd17
0x1650bbb0 | 49 4e 45 3a 00 43 50 5f 4e 45 43 4b 3a 52 43 50 | INE:.CP_NECK:RCP
0x1650bbc0 | 5f 42 52 41 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 4b 55 4c 4c | _BRA....0f...KULL
0x1650bbd0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0x1650bbe0 | 4f 4e 47 55 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ONGUffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650bbf0 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650bc00 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650bc10 | 53 b1 06 74 00 00 00 88 82 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | Sb106t...8882.......
0x1650bc20 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 42 4f 44 59 00 00 00 00 | ........BODY....
0x1650bc30 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 4f 44 59 3a 00 00 00 00 | ........ODY:....
0x1650bc40 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 5f 54 57 4f 00 00 00 00 | ........_TWO....
0x1650bc50 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 43 50 5f 54 00 00 00 00 | ........CP_T....
0x1650bc60 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3a 52 43 50 70 76 fd 17 | ........:RCPpvfd17
0x1650bc70 | 74 76 fd 17 74 76 fd 17 46 49 4e 47 60 76 fd 17 | tvfd17tvfd17FING`vfd17
0x1650bc80 | 64 76 fd 17 64 76 fd 17 45 53 3a 52 50 76 fd 17 | dvfd17dvfd17ES:RPvfd17
0x1650bc90 | 54 76 fd 17 54 76 fd 17 50 5f 4e 4f 40 76 fd 17 | Tvfd17Tvfd17P_NO@vfd17
0x1650bca0 | 44 76 fd 17 44 76 fd 17 53 3a 52 43 30 76 fd 17 | Dvfd17Dvfd17S:RC0vfd17
0x1650bcb0 | 34 76 fd 17 34 76 fd 17 48 45 41 52 20 76 fd 17 | 4vfd174vfd17HEAR vfd17
0x1650bcc0 | 24 76 fd 17 24 76 fd 17 43 50 5f 54 10 76 fd 17 | $vfd17$vfd17CP_T10vfd17
0x1650bcd0 | 14 76 fd 17 14 76 fd 17 49 4e 45 3a 00 43 50 5f | 14vfd1714vfd17INE:.CP_
0x1650bce0 | 4e 45 43 4b 3a 52 43 50 5f 42 52 41 00 00 00 00 | NECK:RCP_BRA....
0x1650bcf0 | 0f 00 00 00 4b 55 4c 4c 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 0f...KULL........
0x1650bd00 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 4f 4e 47 55 ff ff ff ff | ........ONGUffffffff
0x1650bd10 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650bd20 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650bd30 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 76 b1 06 74 00 00 00 88 | ffffffffffffffffvb106t...88
0x1650bd40 | ff ff ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ffffffff............
0x1650bd50 | 42 4f 44 59 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | BODY............
0x1650bd60 | 4f 44 59 3a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ODY:............
0x1650bd70 | 5f 54 57 4f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | _TWO............
0x1650bd80 | 43 50 5f 54 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | CP_T............
0x1650bd90 | 3a 52 43 50 40 77 fd 17 44 77 fd 17 44 77 fd 17 | :RCP@wfd17Dwfd17Dwfd17
0x1650bda0 | 46 49 4e 47 30 77 fd 17 34 77 fd 17 34 77 fd 17 | FING0wfd174wfd174wfd17
0x1650bdb0 | 45 53 3a 52 20 77 fd 17 24 77 fd 17 24 77 fd 17 | ES:R wfd17$wfd17$wfd17
0x1650bdc0 | 50 5f 4e 4f 10 77 fd 17 14 77 fd 17 14 77 fd 17 | P_NO10wfd1714wfd1714wfd17
0x1650bdd0 | 53 3a 52 43 00 77 fd 17 04 77 fd 17 04 77 fd 17 | S:RC.wfd1704wfd1704wfd17
0x1650bde0 | 48 45 41 52 f0 76 fd 17 f4 76 fd 17 f4 76 fd 17 | HEARf0vfd17f4vfd17f4vfd17
0x1650bdf0 | 43 50 5f 54 e0 76 fd 17 e4 76 fd 17 e4 76 fd 17 | CP_Te0vfd17e4vfd17e4vfd17
0x1650be00 | 49 4e 45 3a 00 43 50 5f 4e 45 43 4b 3a 52 43 50 | INE:.CP_NECK:RCP
0x1650be10 | 5f 42 52 41 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 4b 55 4c 4c | _BRA....0f...KULL
0x1650be20 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0x1650be30 | 4f 4e 47 55 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ONGUffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650be40 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650be50 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650be60 | 1d b1 06 74 00 00 00 88 ff ff ff ff 00 00 00 00 | 1db106t...88ffffffff....
0x1650be70 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 42 4f 44 59 00 00 00 00 | ........BODY....
0x1650be80 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 4f 44 59 3a 00 00 00 00 | ........ODY:....
0x1650be90 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 5f 54 57 4f 00 00 00 00 | ........_TWO....
0x1650bea0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 43 50 5f 54 00 00 00 00 | ........CP_T....
0x1650beb0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3a 52 43 50 d0 76 fd 17 | ........:RCPd0vfd17
0x1650bec0 | d4 76 fd 17 d4 76 fd 17 46 49 4e 47 c0 76 fd 17 | d4vfd17d4vfd17FINGc0vfd17
0x1650bed0 | c4 76 fd 17 c4 76 fd 17 45 53 3a 52 b0 76 fd 17 | c4vfd17c4vfd17ES:Rb0vfd17
0x1650bee0 | b4 76 fd 17 b4 76 fd 17 50 5f 4e 4f e0 77 fd 17 | b4vfd17b4vfd17P_NOe0wfd17
0x1650bef0 | e4 77 fd 17 e4 77 fd 17 53 3a 52 43 d0 77 fd 17 | e4wfd17e4wfd17S:RCd0wfd17
0x1650bf00 | d4 77 fd 17 d4 77 fd 17 48 45 41 52 c0 77 fd 17 | d4wfd17d4wfd17HEARc0wfd17
0x1650bf10 | c4 77 fd 17 c4 77 fd 17 43 50 5f 54 b0 77 fd 17 | c4wfd17c4wfd17CP_Tb0wfd17
0x1650bf20 | b4 77 fd 17 b4 77 fd 17 49 4e 45 3a 00 43 50 5f | b4wfd17b4wfd17INE:.CP_
0x1650bf30 | 4e 45 43 4b 3a 52 43 50 5f 42 52 41 00 00 00 00 | NECK:RCP_BRA....
0x1650bf40 | 0f 00 00 00 4b 55 4c 4c 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 0f...KULL........
0x1650bf50 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 4f 4e 47 55 ff ff ff ff | ........ONGUffffffff
0x1650bf60 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650bf70 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
0x1650bf80 | ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 20 b1 06 74 00 00 00 88 | ffffffffffffffff b106t...88
0x1650bf90 | 46 41 54 00 4c 45 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | FAT.LE..........
0x1650bfa0 | 03 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 f4 d7 0c | 03...0f....... f4d70c
0x1650bfb0 | 03 00 00 00 66 61 74 00 6c 65 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 03...fat.le......
0x1650bfc0 | 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ....03...0f.......
0x1650bfd0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0x1650bfe0 | 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 70 d4 5f 03 | ....0f.......pd4_03
0x1650bff0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 | ............12...
0x1650c000 | 1f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 46 41 54 00 4c 45 00 00 | 1f.......FAT.LE..
0x1650c010 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 | ........03...0f...
0x1650c020 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0x1650c030 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ........0f.......
0x1650c040 | 14 00 00 00 1e 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 64 00 00 00 | 14...1e...01...d...
0x1650c050 | 03 00 00 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff | 03...05.......ffffffff
0x1650c060 | 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | d...............
0x1650c070 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ........0f.......
0x1650c080 | ff ff ff ff 00 00 0a 28 ac 26 62 28 5e 27 61 ea | ffffffff..0a(ac&b(^'aea
0x1650c090 | 55 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | U10..............
0x1650c0a0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ........0f.......
0x1650c0b0 | c7 be 06 74 00 00 00 88 4d 55 53 43 4c 45 00 00 | c7be06t...88MUSCLE..
0x1650c0c0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 | ........06...0f...
0x1650c0d0 | 00 00 00 00 40 cc d7 0c 03 00 00 00 6d 75 73 63 | ....@ccd70c03...musc
0x1650c0e0 | 6c 65 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 | le..........06...
0x1650c0f0 | 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 0f...............
0x1650c100 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 | ............0f...
0x1650c110 | 00 00 00 00 e8 cf 5f 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ....e8cf_03........
0x1650c120 | 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 1f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ....12...1f.......
0x1650c130 | 4d 55 53 43 4c 45 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | MUSCLE..........
0x1650c140 | 06 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 06...0f...........
0x1650c150 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0x1650c160 | 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 15 00 00 00 1e 00 00 00 | 0f.......15...1e...
0x1650c170 | 03 00 00 00 64 00 00 00 05 00 00 00 05 00 00 00 | 03...d...05...05...
0x1650c180 | 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ....ffffffff........
0x1650c190 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0x1650c1a0 | 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff 00 00 0a 28 | 0f.......ffffffff..0a(
0x1650c1b0 | ac 26 0c 29 61 ea 61 ea 55 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ac&0c)aeaaeaU10......
0x1650c1c0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0x1650c1d0 | 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ea be 06 74 00 00 00 88 | 0f.......eabe06t...88
0x1650c1e0 | 42 4f 4e 45 00 4c 41 47 45 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | BONE.LAGE.......
0x1650c1f0 | 04 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 c8 d7 0c | 04...0f.......0c8d70c
0x1650c200 | 03 00 00 00 62 6f 6e 65 00 6c 61 67 65 00 00 00 | 03...bone.lage...
0x1650c210 | 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ....04...0f.......
0x1650c220 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0x1650c230 | 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 98 cf 5f 03 | ....0f.......98cf_03
0x1650c240 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 | ............12...
0x1650c250 | 1f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 42 4f 4e 45 00 4c 41 47 | 1f.......BONE.LAG
0x1650c260 | 45 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 | E.......04...0f...
0x1650c270 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0x1650c280 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ........0f.......
0x1650c290 | 16 00 00 00 1e 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 e8 03 00 00 | 16...1e...02...e803..
0x1650c2a0 | 03 00 00 00 32 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff | 03...2.......ffffffff
0x1650c2b0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0x1650c2c0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ........0f.......
0x1650c2d0 | ff ff ff ff 00 00 0a 28 ac 26 0c 29 61 ea 61 ea | ffffffff..0a(ac&0c)aeaaea
0x1650c2e0 | e8 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | e803..............
0x1650c2f0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ........0f.......
The values here change on adding/removing dwarfs to squads and deleting/creating squads. So I guess vector_squads is somwhere here. I can't test it on my own though, because I have freezes when trying to read dwarfs ( I hope this would be helpfull in some way.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 15, 2012, 09:00:10 pm
Post by: Punished on February 15, 2012, 09:15:04 pm
Did you just tap into the military interface? If we used this, could we make a Therapist-Like tool for organizing squads?
This would be the greatest thing ever made.
Post by: Saranis on February 15, 2012, 09:16:41 pm
Did you just tap into the military interface? If we used this, could we make a Therapist-Like tool for organizing squads?
This would be the greatest thing ever made.
Right after Dwarf Fortress and Dwarf Therapist... and chocolate.
Post by: Molay on February 15, 2012, 09:22:00 pm
Did you just tap into the military interface? If we used this, could we make a Therapist-Like tool for organizing squads?
I'm not sure if you're a genius or a madman. Probably both.
The idea is fantastic, it just seems so... I don't know. It feels too good to be true, if you can follow me?
It would of course be the greatest thing ever, and by the gods, I wouldn't refuse to use it! But for now, let's just get DT working again, shall we? :D
Post by: kudakeru on February 15, 2012, 09:42:21 pm
Post by: dyllionaire on February 15, 2012, 09:49:47 pm
If so, would anyone be so kind as to make a step-by-step guide for the less tech-prone residents of the forums?
Please and thank you.
Keep up the great work DE and those hacking away at this! It's great to have people like you around.
Post by: Divrann on February 15, 2012, 09:50:24 pm
Has anyone had any luck getting the OS X version to do anything other than crash immediately at launch? I've relaunched everything a few dozen times now, with no luck.
It happens for me, too. Win 7 x64. It worked when I first created the INI file, But not since a restart of DF. The only change I made was removing [Aquafier] tags. I wouldn't think this would do anything, but I wouldn't really know, either.
Ill just keep trying to restart until someone has a better idea. ::)
Post by: FFLaguna on February 15, 2012, 10:00:35 pm
Has anyone had any luck getting the OS X version to do anything other than crash immediately at launch? I've relaunched everything a few dozen times now, with no luck.
It happens for me, too. Win 7 x64. It worked when I first created the INI file, But not since a restart of DF. The only change I made was removing [Aquafier] tags. I wouldn't think this would do anything, but I wouldn't really know, either.
Ill just keep trying to restart until someone has a better idea. ::)
I right-clicked on Dwarf Fortress (not Therapist) and clicked "Run as Administrator", and Dwarf Therapist was able to read the dorf memory values right away without hanging. Although it may have just been restarting that fixed it for me.
In any case, I was getting the hanging errors, but now I'm not. DT is working great. :D
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 15, 2012, 10:09:00 pm
Post by: Divrann on February 15, 2012, 10:09:29 pm
I right-clicked on Dwarf Fortress (not Therapist) and clicked "Run as Administrator", and Dwarf Therapist was able to read the dorf memory values right away without hanging. Although it may have just been restarting that fixed it for me.
In any case, I was getting the hanging errors, but now I'm not. DT is working great. :D
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Well It didnt freeze after running DF as Admin, but instead I get an error from DT saying:
"I'm sorry. I'm having trouble connecting to DF. I can't seem to locate the PEB address of the process.
Please re-launch DF and try again."
Definatly not an error I've seen before, did try restarting to no effect.
Interestingly enough, when I run DT as an Admin also, it just goes back to freezing.
*Shrug*
Post by: Kregoth on February 15, 2012, 10:20:29 pm
Found the rest of the offsets, release is pending.
Awesome you are truly a Dwarf Engineer, one of which menaces with spikes of awesomeness. On the Dwarf Engineer is a picture of a Dwarf Therapist, The feeble humans surround the dwarf praising him :)
Post by: Molay on February 15, 2012, 10:33:46 pm
Found the rest of the offsets, release is pending.
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! Can't tell you how I felt when I read that. It was like an adrenaline rush. Like christmas when I was 6. "Soon I can open the gifts!" :D
Thanks so much! You just made my day :)
Erm, actually, pending means release is going to happen in the next couple of hours, right?
Praise our Dwarven Engineer! I shall build a pyramid out of glass for you! You like glass, right? Oh, i see. Well, maybe obsidian then? No? No... You want it out of adamantine... Sure... Well... A small pyramid then?
Post by: Xelanthol on February 15, 2012, 10:45:34 pm
Post by: Molay on February 15, 2012, 10:46:24 pm
I NEEEEEDDD THISSSS.
Bad boy. Please rephrase that. Here is an example:
Quote from: Rephrasing
I NEEEEEDDD THISSSS. Please.
See, that looks much better, doesn't it?
Post by: Beach Bum on February 15, 2012, 10:56:53 pm
Found the rest of the offsets, release is pending.
I'll be able to play Fort mode again! Thank you for getting it working so quickly.
Post by: Kreastr on February 15, 2012, 11:09:46 pm
Did you just tap into the military interface? If we used this, could we make a Therapist-Like tool for organizing squads?I hesitated for a while and then overchecked everything. Yes. This is it. The memory block where dwarf-squad assingments are stored. I even managed to modify one of my squads to consist of 3 copies of one dwarf. However, are you sure that it is a new information? I was pretty sure that it is just a block(vector_squad) already described and used in DT.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Xelanthol on February 15, 2012, 11:18:58 pm
Post by: Molay on February 15, 2012, 11:20:39 pm
IS DIS HAPPENING TONIGHT?
Again, a change in tone would be well appreciated. Let's try and rephrase this one, too...
Quote from: Rephrasing
IS DIS HAPPENING TONIGHT, Sir?
Ah, much better now. Much better.
Post by: narhiril on February 15, 2012, 11:23:50 pm
Post by: mnjiman on February 15, 2012, 11:25:16 pm
You hard work and dedication to Dwarf Therapist makes thousands of players jump for joy.
Keep up the hard work you sexy sexy dwarf you.
Post by: Kregoth on February 15, 2012, 11:25:41 pm
IS DIS HAPPENING TONIGHT?Settle the hell down he just posted it like 30 minutes ago, give him a while to test his work before asking stupid questions in caps.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 15, 2012, 11:27:11 pm
Adds support for DF 2012.
Layouts should download automatically for earlier versions, but the new version does have a few minor fixes for DF2012.
As mentioned, I've created a Tip Jar (http://dwarftherapist.com/tip.html) with the intent of getting a mac mini to start merging / supporting OSX. I'll look into adding linux support once again this weekend.
Please report any issues you find!
Thanks for your support!
-DE
Post by: Silophant on February 15, 2012, 11:28:14 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on February 15, 2012, 11:32:06 pm
It may be known, but it's not been exploited yet. I have yet to hear of any tool or program that utilized the memory blocks for squads. Even if it's not new info, it's unused info, and a big chunk of info that could be dearly used. So, aside from the usual "keep everything running" goals, I feel a squad interface added to DT would be ideal. You assign a few squad captains, and then use the spreadsheet-like layout to drag-drop dwarves onto different squad entries. The table would show their military skills - including Teacher and Student.Did you just tap into the military interface? If we used this, could we make a Therapist-Like tool for organizing squads?I hesitated for a while and then overchecked everything. Yes. This is it. The memory block where dwarf-squad assingments are stored. I even managed to modify one of my squads to consist of 3 copies of one dwarf. However, are you sure that it is a new information? I was pretty sure that it is just a block(vector_squad) already described and used in DT.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: drivec on February 15, 2012, 11:35:27 pm
Post by: Xelanthol on February 15, 2012, 11:37:31 pm
I apologize for my spazdom. (However, W00TS!)
Post by: highwisdom on February 15, 2012, 11:39:27 pm
awesome work on getting this released so quickly everyone. much kudos!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 15, 2012, 11:39:52 pm
Dwarf Therapist actually uses this for the Group By: Squad option. (The offset is squad_ref_id)It may be known, but it's not been exploited yet. I have yet to hear of any tool or program that utilized the memory blocks for squads. Even if it's not new info, it's unused info, and a big chunk of info that could be dearly used. So, aside from the usual "keep everything running" goals, I feel a squad interface added to DT would be ideal. You assign a few squad captains, and then use the spreadsheet-like layout to drag-drop dwarves onto different squad entries. The table would show their military skills - including Teacher and Student.Did you just tap into the military interface? If we used this, could we make a Therapist-Like tool for organizing squads?I hesitated for a while and then overchecked everything. Yes. This is it. The memory block where dwarf-squad assingments are stored. I even managed to modify one of my squads to consist of 3 copies of one dwarf. However, are you sure that it is a new information? I was pretty sure that it is just a block(vector_squad) already described and used in DT.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fortron on February 15, 2012, 11:43:08 pm
Thanks alot DwarfEngineer.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 15, 2012, 11:44:05 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 15, 2012, 11:45:30 pm
Big thanks to dyn and stevedore, they definitely saved me a good amount of time with this release.
I'm sure that like DF there will be a bug fix pending soon.
Post by: Slackratchet on February 15, 2012, 11:45:57 pm
Post by: Kento on February 15, 2012, 11:47:06 pm
Post by: Buttery_Mess on February 15, 2012, 11:52:22 pm
Post by: OldPrussia on February 15, 2012, 11:53:43 pm
Post by: HammerDave on February 15, 2012, 11:55:36 pm
The new version doesn't hang, now to see how well it works.
I suspect the acid test will be having dwarven vampires show up, or other new features. :D
Post by: Berserkenstein on February 15, 2012, 11:56:33 pm
Post by: SalmonGod on February 16, 2012, 12:03:44 am
Post by: Molay on February 16, 2012, 12:10:06 am
As to the vampire thingy... Like someone mentioned, DT reveals pretty easily who is a vampire. Is there a way to "hide" this bonus information (or actually replace the lack of information for vampires with fake information?). I know, I know. You worked hard and I'm all happy DT is out! So this is just a thought for the distant future :)
Thanks again!
Post by: HammerDave on February 16, 2012, 12:12:34 am
Speculation: Since migrants are historical figures now, they're getting tagged by when they appeared during worldgen instead of when they arrived.
Post by: Plasson on February 16, 2012, 12:13:46 am
Now.. lets see what kind of mess my 126 dwarfs are living in.
Post by: Plasson on February 16, 2012, 12:14:57 am
The migration wave info isn't right, they're all over the place with my originals showing up as the last wave to arrive. Nothing major, though I do like to assign jobs to a new wave as a group. Moving right along...
Speculation: Since migrants are historical figures now, they're getting tagged by when they appeared during worldgen instead of when they arrived.
well, it wasn't all perfect in the previous version either.
Post by: daishi5 on February 16, 2012, 12:16:08 am
Post by: Plasson on February 16, 2012, 12:20:18 am
One quick bug report, children are under "pressers" and Bone doctors and Diagnosers are under spearman and master spearman. I am sure the rest are probably off as well, but my fort was such a busy mess that I couldn't identify any of the other mistakes easily.
I think all of the are out of whack. one axedorf is a bowman, and my Legendary fighter/High master swordsdorf is identified as Blowgunman
Post by: highwisdom on February 16, 2012, 12:26:01 am
This could also be a tag-team bug with DF allowing it to happen.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 16, 2012, 12:27:11 am
Post by: DDR on February 16, 2012, 12:34:34 am
Post by: drivec on February 16, 2012, 12:47:09 am
Post by: highwisdom on February 16, 2012, 12:47:38 am
There's an option for that. It's under "Options" under "I'm a dirty cheater" I believe.
Option isn't checked, but can still assign labor to kids.
Post by: ClubFoot on February 16, 2012, 12:52:28 am
so far, I've got:
Code: [Select]
checksum=0xa74ac151
version_name=v0.34.01
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x0154c918
language_vector=0x0154c900
now - the problem...
I cannot located the dwarf race offset. When, in the memory scan page in DT, I kick that off DT just dies. Immediately. The log looks like:
2012-Feb-15 21:43:47.173 INFO core Detected Dwarf Fortress version "v0.34.01" using MemoryLayout from "/Applications/DwarfTherapist.app/Contents/Resources/etc/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.01.ini" [../taylorfisher-1/src/dfinstance.cpp:665] (get_memory_layout)
2012-Feb-15 21:43:47.176 DEBUG core Starting Search in Thread 0x1065c9000 [bin/debug/../../../taylorfisher-1/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:62] (go)
I've tried killing and restarting DF and DT 2-3 times. no dice.
what does that search actually look for?
Also - I have also edited the game_data.ini as follows (just because someone said to, not because I have done anything to verify these values. )
total_words_per_table = 2173
expected_dwarf_race = 465
Is there some way I can validate those are correct settings?
Post by: Veylon on February 16, 2012, 12:53:37 am
Post by: scaliper on February 16, 2012, 01:00:39 am
(http://www.deconlabs.com/graphics/products/EthanolGroup%20for%20web%209-16-08.JPG)
Post by: DopeGhoti on February 16, 2012, 01:08:44 am
Post by: Stoutpants on February 16, 2012, 01:23:08 am
Post by: Springare on February 16, 2012, 01:47:35 am
Ok, after five minutes using it, something catched my attention: Working children, mining, suturing a patient and wallsmoothing. But if i check the labor in DF it says the standard "Children do what the want blabla". So i think, therapist forces children into being usefull.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 16, 2012, 02:03:42 am
Post by: Couchmonster on February 16, 2012, 02:08:50 am
Post by: ClubFoot on February 16, 2012, 02:14:06 am
Minor progress on the OSX version...and a cry for help-
2012-Feb-15 21:43:47.173 INFO core Detected Dwarf Fortress version "v0.34.01" using MemoryLayout from "/Applications/DwarfTherapist.app/Contents/Resources/etc/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.01.ini" [../taylorfisher-1/src/dfinstance.cpp:665] (get_memory_layout)
2012-Feb-15 21:43:47.176 DEBUG core Starting Search in Thread 0x1065c9000 [bin/debug/../../../taylorfisher-1/inc/dwarfraceindexsearchjob.h:62] (go)
Code: [Select]
still cannot get past that. For 'creature vector' it's providing multiple possibilities...
2012-Feb-15 23:06:20.873 DEBUG core ADDRESS FOR: "creature_vector" "0x0169c8e0" UNCORRECTED: "0x0169c8e0" [../taylorfisher-1/src/scanner.cpp:69] (report_address)
2012-Feb-15 23:06:20.874 DEBUG core ADDRESS FOR: "creature_vector" "0xb02879f0" UNCORRECTED: "0xb02879f0" [../taylorfisher-1/src/scanner.cpp:69] (report_address)
2012-Feb-15 23:06:23.808 DEBUG core ADDRESS FOR: "creature_vector" "0x0150b5d8" UNCORRECTED: "0x0150b5d8" [../taylorfisher-1/src/scanner.cpp:69] (report_address)
2012-Feb-15 23:06:26.931 DEBUG core ADDRESS FOR: "creature_vector" "0x0150b5cc" UNCORRECTED: "0x0150b5cc" [../taylorfisher-1/src/scanner.cpp:69] (report_address)
2012-Feb-15 23:06:39.226 DEBUG core ADDRESS FOR: "creature_vector" "0xb0288348" UNCORRECTED: "0xb0288348" [../taylorfisher-1/src/scanner.cpp:69] (report_address)
I'm open to suggestions. Without getting the dwarf address correct, is it possible to verify the other ones?
Post by: orius on February 16, 2012, 03:18:04 am
Post by: DeadlyDodo on February 16, 2012, 03:45:03 am
As mentioned, I've created a Tip Jar (http://dwarftherapist.com/tip.html) with the intent of getting a mac mini to start merging / supporting OSX. I'll look into adding linux support once again this weekend.
Please report any issues you find!
Thanks for your support!
-DE
As promised I've donated a little of my spare change, you have my appreciation kind sir.
Post by: Starhero on February 16, 2012, 04:15:16 am
|Crazyness|
I LOVE YOU DE!! I WANT YOUR BABIES!!
|/Crazyness|
*clears throat*
*Downloads 34.01*
*Downloads DT*
I will be donating the second I find cash for both you and Toady.
All we need now is those crazy bugs ppl are encountering...but non the less we are ALLLLLLLLLL Grateful of the work anyone and everyone that has helped with this project.
Kudos community! Best one I have ever seen. If I hit the lottery, drinks are on me!
*brews plumphelmet wine*
Who wants first dibbs?
Post by: Intrinsic on February 16, 2012, 04:21:54 am
Did you just tap into the military interface? If we used this, could we make a Therapist-Like tool for organizing squads?
This would be the greatest thing ever made.
The current military interface is the most god-awful steaming pile of whale shite, anything that can be done to make it better will be a massive bonus.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 16, 2012, 04:31:05 am
It's not that bad. Once you understand how it works, it works solidly. It's simply very detailed. It's hard to get that much information into a screen without producing some clutter and some odd menu types.
Post by: Sormus on February 16, 2012, 05:10:30 am
Post by: Kipi on February 16, 2012, 05:24:51 am
Installed DT 6.11 and ran in to a bug, all the lastnames are shown as "UnknownUnknown"
Relaunch Therapist while the fortress is open. Should solve that.
Also, make sure that the option to show generic (translated last names) names is disabled. Should work like a charm.
Post by: Couchmonster on February 16, 2012, 06:37:22 am
I should have 3 waves and have 11
Despite that DT works like a charm.
Post by: peregarrett on February 16, 2012, 06:38:37 am
Five more barrels of dwarven rum for the party, from my personal stocks!
If we had dfhack too....
Post by: kionmaru on February 16, 2012, 06:55:49 am
[info]
checksum=0xa42a074a
version_name=v0.34.01
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095c7bf8
language_vector=0x095c7be0
creature_vector=0x095868ac
dwarf_race_index=0x0956e240
squad_vector=0x0
[offsets]
word_table=0x0000001c
I'd dink around on this more tonight, but I'm already exhausted. Someone else want to pick up the DT linux squad vector and offsets?
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 16, 2012, 08:55:19 am
So far I'm tracking the following issues:
- 381 - Vampires cannot hide from Dwarf Therapist (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=381)
- 382 - Migration waves are wonky (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=382)
- 383 - Ability to set child labor in Dwarf Therapist (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=383)
- 384 - Enhance Vector search for Language / Translation vector (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=384)
If someone has or could get a save together illustrating these 3 issues and upload it to DFFD (http://dffd.wimbli.com/), that would save me some time when I start working on them tonight.
Thanks all for the support & tips so far, we're making good progress towards a mac mini for official OSX support & dedicated builds.
Post by: meeneque on February 16, 2012, 08:59:59 am
http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=5531&f=save1.zip
Also all kids are seen as pressers.
Actually i like assigning labors for kids, as my immigration waves mostly consist of children. :D
Post by: DeadlyDodo on February 16, 2012, 09:07:49 am
Post by: Grax on February 16, 2012, 09:10:33 am
I wondered how it was going to hide vampires.This need to be an option like child labor.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 16, 2012, 09:14:19 am
Here's what I've got so far for Linux.
[info]
checksum=0xa42a074a
version_name=v0.34.01
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095c7bf8
language_vector=0x095c7be0
creature_vector=0x095868ac
dwarf_race_index=0x0956e240
squad_vector=0x0
[offsets]
word_table=0x0000001c
I'd dink around on this more tonight, but I'm already exhausted. Someone else want to pick up the DT linux squad vector and offsets?
If you take a look at this thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=100826.0), it covers how to find the squad vector:
Post by: Azahiel on February 16, 2012, 09:27:38 am
Have just two of them: kids and waves, but already uploaded:For me all kids are beekeepers ;)
http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=5531&f=save1.zip
Also all kids are seen as pressers.
Actually i like assigning labors for kids, as my immigration waves mostly consist of children. :D
Great start nonetheless, I really missed DT in the new version.
Post by: Kami on February 16, 2012, 09:41:23 am
Migrations Waves are entirely wrong to the point that every dwarf (or max 2) is in 1 wave ;)I think this could be a problem.
I should have 3 waves and have 11
Despite that DT works like a charm.
There is no variable that holds the migration wave of a dwarf. DT calculates it by comparing ids and gaps in ids of the dwarfs in the creature vector. Since migrants in the new version are not generated when the imigration happenes but taken from the world, they have an existing lower id not according to the time they arrive. This would explain why the 7 starting dwarfs are in the same wave with the higest wave number (highes id = latest wave) and other dwarfs spread over many earlyer migrationn waves in the list.
Quote from: dwarfmodel.cpp
Let's try to guess the wave a dwarf arrived in based on ID.
The game appears to assign ids to creates in a serial manner.
Since at least 1 season seems to pass in between waves there is a
high likelihood that dwarves arriving in a new wave will be folling
several other creatures such as groundhogs and the like, thus
producing a gap in IDs of more than 1
Quote from: Changelog
immigrants to your fortress will now be historical figures whenever possible, which means more family relationships and history for each one
@DwarfEngineer: Maybe it can be changed to work with the information on the arrival of the dwarf at the fortress you can find at the thoughts and preferences screen. (If this can be found anywhere...)
Post by: Lord Snow on February 16, 2012, 09:52:51 am
Back to nicknaming for keeping the starting seven and first migrants identifiable.
BUT
actually i came here to say 'thank you' for supporting the new version so swiftly!
Great work! :)
Post by: Thar on February 16, 2012, 10:06:50 am
This is a good job!
Post by: Don57 on February 16, 2012, 10:43:33 am
I think this could be a problem.
There is no variable that holds the migration wave of a dwarf. DT calculates it by comparing ids and gaps in ids of the dwarfs in the creature vector. Since migrants in the new version are not generated when the imigration happenes but taken from the world, they have an existing lower id not according to the time they arrive. This would explain why the 7 starting dwarfs are in the same wave with the higest wave number (highes id = latest wave) and other dwarfs spread over many earlyer migrationn waves in the list.
I suppose DT could make up IDs for each dwarf it reads from the game, generating a new "wave" every time the program is refreshed and one or more new dwarves are discovered. The player would then be responsible for manually refreshing DT after every new wave of migrants, but at least then the migration waves would be manageable.
An additional downside to this, though, is the fact that DT would then have to keep a local file matching up dwarves to their DT generated ID.
Post by: Yaotzin on February 16, 2012, 10:52:34 am
Post by: ActnMoviHeroBoy on February 16, 2012, 11:02:18 am
Post by: scaliper on February 16, 2012, 11:21:20 am
Is there no variable for how long a dwarf has lived in a location (ie your fort)?As I am not code-literate, I may be wrong, but I'd be incredibly surprized if there was not. I know for a fact that the game tracks the season and year of the dwarf arriving at your fort in legends mode. If you could find where that value is stored, you could probably sort immigration waves based on that. Depending on the precise coding, it may also be possible that any children born in the same season would show up as migrants, but I don't know about that one, and that's not much of a trade-off in my opinion.
Of course, that would likely require finding the value for the fort itself as well, as the game simply says "in <season> of <year>, <name> arrived in <fortress>" or something like that. If the game simply tracks intersection of values, you'd need a way of finding the fortress value. I have no idea whether that's possible, although to be fair I honestly have no idea on the validity of anything I've said above...
Post by: schismatise on February 16, 2012, 11:34:17 am
Is there no variable for how long a dwarf has lived in a location (ie your fort)?As I am not code-literate, I may be wrong, but I'd be incredibly surprized if there was not. I know for a fact that the game tracks the season and year of the dwarf arriving at your fort in legends mode. If you could find where that value is stored, you could probably sort immigration waves based on that.
He is a citizen of The Violent Sacks. He is a member of The Confident Bust. (yup, thats us) He is a former member of The Razors of Distance. (... interesting) He is a former prisoner of The Copper Hate. (wut?) He arrived at Ralokang on teh 24th of Hematite in the year 126. (ooh, I like this addition)
^ Stole that quote from another thread. Seems like the information required is right there on the dwarf's info screen.
(DT can read a dwarf's info screen, right?)
Post by: Rumrusher on February 16, 2012, 11:36:18 am
Post by: Kipi on February 16, 2012, 11:39:39 am
Is there no variable for how long a dwarf has lived in a location (ie your fort)?As I am not code-literate, I may be wrong, but I'd be incredibly surprized if there was not. I know for a fact that the game tracks the season and year of the dwarf arriving at your fort in legends mode. If you could find where that value is stored, you could probably sort immigration waves based on that. Depending on the precise coding, it may also be possible that any children born in the same season would show up as migrants, but I don't know about that one, and that's not much of a trade-off in my opinion.
Of course, that would likely require finding the value for the fort itself as well, as the game simply says "in <season> of <year>, <name> arrived in <fortress>" or something like that. If the game simply tracks intersection of values, you'd need a way of finding the fortress value. I have no idea whether that's possible, although to be fair I honestly have no idea on the validity of anything I've said above...
That is actually good idea!
Lets say that the game keep track of the movement of migrants and thus knows when migrant arrived to fortress. Now, as far as I know, there can be only one migrant wave per season, right? So even if the game tracks the movement by season it should still be accurate enough.
Now, the children. Not 100% sure but I think the game tracks the birth separately to the movement. If it does then DT could just compare the birth place to current place and if it is same then the dwarf in question is listed separately as it has born in the fortress. If it doesn't then it will put the dwarf in same migrant wave with all the rest of the dwarves appearing in the fortress that season.
Expanding the idea, perhaps DT could group children born in the fortress by the seasons? The above method could support it, just put the newborn to a list of other newborns of that season. This would reduce the number of waves currently shown because more or lest each child is listed in own wave, unless there are doubles or triplets.
Post by: Marble_Nuts on February 16, 2012, 11:43:52 am
Is there a bit of funding related to this sudden change on plan? On making therapist available for mac?
Post by: schismatise on February 16, 2012, 11:48:56 am
OMG you guy have no idea how happy I am to know that therapist is going on mac!! I... I mean... There are no other way to say it :D
Is there a bit of funding related to this sudden change on plan? On making therapist available for mac?
As mentioned, I've created a Tip Jar (http://dwarftherapist.com/tip.html) with the intent of getting a mac mini to start merging / supporting OSX. I'll look into adding linux support once again this weekend.
Post by: Nice Save on February 16, 2012, 11:55:17 am
If you're having trouble telling who's new, activate alchemy or fish dissection or something that you don't have happening in your fortress on every dwarf, and the migrants are the ones without that activated.
Post by: Talvieno on February 16, 2012, 11:57:26 am
"He is a citizen of The Infinite Silvers. He is a member of The Towers of Ice. He is a former member of The Confusing Pillar. He is a former member of The Work of Bowing. He arrived at Edimetur on the 3rd of Felsite in the year 102."
Note the last sentence. Perhaps this could be utilized?
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 16, 2012, 11:58:41 am
Actually, there is a variable now that shows when the migrants arrive. It's in the stats screen - v + z + enter.Yeah, I'll be looking into that tonight. Could be extremely useful, and might result in migration waves working better than ever :)
"He is a citizen of The Infinite Silvers. He is a member of The Towers of Ice. He is a former member of The Confusing Pillar. He is a former member of The Work of Bowing. He arrived at Edimetur on the 3rd of Felsite in the year 102."
Note the last sentence. Perhaps this could be utilized?
Post by: Darmarius on February 16, 2012, 12:09:02 pm
So, merging that with what kionmaru found, we have the following ini for now:
[info]
checksum=0xa42a074a
version_name=v0.34.01
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095c7bf8
language_vector=0x095c7be0
creature_vector=0x095868ac
dwarf_race_index=0x0956e240
squad_vector=0x095c47b4
[offsets]
word_table=0x001c
It still doesn't read profession and experience properly, so the souls offset are probably wrong. I'll try looking into it.
Edit: the rest of the ini file I'm working with right now is based on the previous version.
Post by: Starhero on February 16, 2012, 12:15:35 pm
You are all my friends now, save the few douches. This community rocks!
Post by: Bifidus on February 16, 2012, 01:43:07 pm
/dwarfgasm
Post by: floundericiousWA on February 16, 2012, 02:02:14 pm
Therapist is indispensible! All-star win-ness!
Post by: dyn on February 16, 2012, 02:13:01 pm
Code: [Select]
[professions]
# all professions assume can_assign_labors is true, and is_military is false
size=106
1/name = Miner
1/id = 0
2/name = Woodworker
2/id = 1
3/name = Carpenter
3/id = 2
4/name = Bowyer
4/id = 3
5/name = Woodcutter
5/id = 4
6/name = Stoneworker
6/id = 5
7/name = Engraver
7/id = 6
8/name = Mason
8/id = 7
9/name = Ranger
9/id = 8
10/name = Animal Caretaker
10/id = 9
11/name = Animal Trainer
11/id = 10
12/name = Hunter
12/id = 11
13/name = Trapper
13/id = 12
14/name = Animal Dissector
14/id = 13
15/name = Metalsmith
15/id = 14
16/name = Furnace Operator
16/id = 15
17/name = Weaponsmith
17/id = 16
18/name = Armorer
18/id = 17
19/name = Blacksmith
19/id = 18
20/name = Metalcrafter
20/id = 19
21/name = Jeweler
21/id = 20
22/name = Gem Cutter
22/id = 21
23/name = Gem Setter
23/id = 22
24/name = Craftsman
24/id = 23
25/name = Woodcrafter
25/id = 24
26/name = Stonecrafter
26/id = 25
27/name = Leatherworker
27/id = 26
28/name = Bone Carver
28/id = 27
29/name = Weaver
29/id = 28
30/name = Clothier
30/id = 29
31/name = Glassmaker
31/id = 30
32/name = Potter
32/id = 31
33/name = Glazer
33/id = 32
34/name = Wax Worker
34/id = 33
35/name = Strand Extractor
35/id = 34
36/name = Fishery Worker
36/id = 35
37/name = Fisherman
37/id = 36
38/name = Fish Dissector
38/id = 37
39/name = Fish Cleaner
39/id = 38
40/name = Farmer
40/id = 39
41/name = Cheesemaker
41/id = 40
42/name = Milker
42/id = 41
43/name = Cooking
43/id = 42
44/name = Thresher
44/id = 43
45/name = Miller
45/id = 44
46/name = Butcher
46/id = 45
47/name = Tanner
47/id = 46
48/name = Dyer
48/id = 47
49/name = Planter
49/id = 48
50/name = Herbalist
50/id = 49
51/name = Brewer
51/id = 50
52/name = Soap Maker
52/id = 51
53/name = Potash Maker
53/id = 52
54/name = Lye Maker
54/id = 53
55/name = Wood Burner
55/id = 54
56/name = Shearer
56/id = 55
57/name = Spinner
57/id = 56
58/name = Presser
58/id = 57
59/name = Beekeeper
59/id = 58
60/name = Engineer
60/id = 59
61/name = Mechanic
61/id = 60
62/name = Siege Engineer
62/id = 61
63/name = Siege Operator
63/id = 62
64/name = Pump Operator
64/id = 63
65/name = Clerk
65/id = 64
66/name = Administrator
66/id = 65
67/name = Trader
67/id = 66
68/name = Architect
68/id = 67
69/name = Alchemist
69/id = 68
70/name = Doctor
70/id = 69
71/name = Diagnoser
71/id = 70
72/name = Bone Setter
72/id = 71
73/name = Suturer
73/id = 72
74/name = Surgeon
74/id = 73
75/name = Merchant
75/id = 74
76/name = Hammerman
76/id = 75
76/is_military = true
76/can_assign_labors = true
77/name = Master Hammerman
77/id = 76
77/is_military = true
77/can_assign_labors = false
78/name = Spearman
78/id = 77
78/is_military = true
78/can_assign_labors = true
79/name = Master Spearman
79/id = 78
79/is_military = true
79/can_assign_labors = false
80/name = Crossbowman
80/id = 79
80/is_military = true
80/can_assign_labors = true
81/name = Master Crossbowman
81/id = 80
81/is_military = true
81/can_assign_labors = false
82/name = Wrestler
82/id = 81
82/is_military = true
82/can_assign_labors = true
83/name = Master Wrestler
83/id = 82
83/is_military = true
83/can_assign_labors = false
84/name = Axeman
84/id = 83
84/is_military = true
84/can_assign_labors = true
85/name = Master Axeman
85/id = 84
85/is_military = true
85/can_assign_labors = false
86/name = Swordsman
86/id = 85
86/is_military = true
86/can_assign_labors = true
87/name = Master Swordsman
87/id = 86
87/is_military = true
87/can_assign_labors = false
88/name = Maceman
88/id = 87
88/is_military = true
88/can_assign_labors = true
89/name = Master Maceman
89/id = 88
89/is_military = true
89/can_assign_labors = false
90/name = Pikeman
90/id = 89
90/is_military = true
90/can_assign_labors = true
91/name = Master Pikeman
91/id = 90
91/is_military = true
91/can_assign_labors = false
92/name = Bowman
92/id = 91
92/is_military = true
92/can_assign_labors = true
93/name = Master Bowman
93/id = 92
93/is_military = true
93/can_assign_labors = false
94/name = Blowgunman
94/id = 93
94/is_military = true
94/can_assign_labors = true
95/name = Master Blowgunman
95/id = 94
95/is_military = true
95/can_assign_labors = false
96/name = Lasher
96/id = 95
96/is_military = true
96/can_assign_labors = true
97/name = Master Lasher
97/id = 96
97/is_military = true
97/can_assign_labors = false
98/name = Recruit
98/id = 97
98/is_military = true
98/can_assign_labors = true
99/name = Trained Hunter
99/id = 98
99/is_military = false
99/can_assign_labors = true
100/name = Trained War
100/id = 99
100/is_military = false
100/can_assign_labors = true
101/name = Master Thief
101/id = 100
101/is_military = false
101/can_assign_labors = true
102/name = Thief
102/id = 101
103/name = Peasant
103/id = 102
104/name = Child
104/id = 103
104/is_military = false
104/can_assign_labors = false
105/name = Baby
105/id = 104
105/is_military = false
105/can_assign_labors = false
106/name = Drunk
106/id = 105
Post by: vityav on February 16, 2012, 02:20:49 pm
It still doesn't read profession and experience properly, so the souls offset are probably wrong. I'll try looking into it.You have my complete and unwavering moral support in your endeavors :P
I really should learn how to find memory addresses for the linux releases...
Post by: zwei on February 16, 2012, 03:39:55 pm
It would be nice if therapist also displayed favorite materials and items of dwarf.
It helps with job assigments, but more importantly, it helps when assigning baron as game does not let you check thoughts and preferences.
Post by: Yaotzin on February 16, 2012, 03:46:18 pm
Also some way for tracking attribute/skill level gain over time would be really awesome.
Post by: Darmarius on February 16, 2012, 03:51:07 pm
The soul offset SHOULD be at 0x05e8, but I haven't been able to confirm that since the soul details have changed too.
I'm really going in the dark here :| I'm trying to find similarities between a 2010 memory dump and 2012's, but so far the soul details has eluded me. I'll update some more tonight if I find other offsets.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 16, 2012, 03:53:21 pm
Post by: kionmaru on February 16, 2012, 04:53:35 pm
If you take a look at this thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=100826.0), it covers how to find the squad vector:
@Darmarius - That's so awesome, thank you.
Found the squad offset on linux (well, DT found it for me :P): 0x095c47b4
@dyn - Sweeeeet! I'm quoting your message here for completeness.
I got the okay from Dwarf Engineer to post this quick fix before it is verified by him for official release. This should fix the IDs to correctly display professions, in the process fixing the dwarf child labor issue and the military Recruits without a weapon specialty not showing up at all. Just open up the file game_data.ini in the etc folder and replace the entire [professions] heading with the code below.Code: [Select][professions]
# all professions assume can_assign_labors is true, and is_military is false
size=106
1/name = Miner
1/id = 0
2/name = Woodworker
2/id = 1
3/name = Carpenter
3/id = 2
4/name = Bowyer
4/id = 3
5/name = Woodcutter
5/id = 4
6/name = Stoneworker
6/id = 5
7/name = Engraver
7/id = 6
8/name = Mason
8/id = 7
9/name = Ranger
9/id = 8
10/name = Animal Caretaker
10/id = 9
11/name = Animal Trainer
11/id = 10
12/name = Hunter
12/id = 11
13/name = Trapper
13/id = 12
14/name = Animal Dissector
14/id = 13
15/name = Metalsmith
15/id = 14
16/name = Furnace Operator
16/id = 15
17/name = Weaponsmith
17/id = 16
18/name = Armorer
18/id = 17
19/name = Blacksmith
19/id = 18
20/name = Metalcrafter
20/id = 19
21/name = Jeweler
21/id = 20
22/name = Gem Cutter
22/id = 21
23/name = Gem Setter
23/id = 22
24/name = Craftsman
24/id = 23
25/name = Woodcrafter
25/id = 24
26/name = Stonecrafter
26/id = 25
27/name = Leatherworker
27/id = 26
28/name = Bone Carver
28/id = 27
29/name = Weaver
29/id = 28
30/name = Clothier
30/id = 29
31/name = Glassmaker
31/id = 30
32/name = Potter
32/id = 31
33/name = Glazer
33/id = 32
34/name = Wax Worker
34/id = 33
35/name = Strand Extractor
35/id = 34
36/name = Fishery Worker
36/id = 35
37/name = Fisherman
37/id = 36
38/name = Fish Dissector
38/id = 37
39/name = Fish Cleaner
39/id = 38
40/name = Farmer
40/id = 39
41/name = Cheesemaker
41/id = 40
42/name = Milker
42/id = 41
43/name = Cooking
43/id = 42
44/name = Thresher
44/id = 43
45/name = Miller
45/id = 44
46/name = Butcher
46/id = 45
47/name = Tanner
47/id = 46
48/name = Dyer
48/id = 47
49/name = Planter
49/id = 48
50/name = Herbalist
50/id = 49
51/name = Brewer
51/id = 50
52/name = Soap Maker
52/id = 51
53/name = Potash Maker
53/id = 52
54/name = Lye Maker
54/id = 53
55/name = Wood Burner
55/id = 54
56/name = Shearer
56/id = 55
57/name = Spinner
57/id = 56
58/name = Presser
58/id = 57
59/name = Beekeeper
59/id = 58
60/name = Engineer
60/id = 59
61/name = Mechanic
61/id = 60
62/name = Siege Engineer
62/id = 61
63/name = Siege Operator
63/id = 62
64/name = Pump Operator
64/id = 63
65/name = Clerk
65/id = 64
66/name = Administrator
66/id = 65
67/name = Trader
67/id = 66
68/name = Architect
68/id = 67
69/name = Alchemist
69/id = 68
70/name = Doctor
70/id = 69
71/name = Diagnoser
71/id = 70
72/name = Bone Setter
72/id = 71
73/name = Suturer
73/id = 72
74/name = Surgeon
74/id = 73
75/name = Merchant
75/id = 74
76/name = Hammerman
76/id = 75
76/is_military = true
76/can_assign_labors = true
77/name = Master Hammerman
77/id = 76
77/is_military = true
77/can_assign_labors = false
78/name = Spearman
78/id = 77
78/is_military = true
78/can_assign_labors = true
79/name = Master Spearman
79/id = 78
79/is_military = true
79/can_assign_labors = false
80/name = Crossbowman
80/id = 79
80/is_military = true
80/can_assign_labors = true
81/name = Master Crossbowman
81/id = 80
81/is_military = true
81/can_assign_labors = false
82/name = Wrestler
82/id = 81
82/is_military = true
82/can_assign_labors = true
83/name = Master Wrestler
83/id = 82
83/is_military = true
83/can_assign_labors = false
84/name = Axeman
84/id = 83
84/is_military = true
84/can_assign_labors = true
85/name = Master Axeman
85/id = 84
85/is_military = true
85/can_assign_labors = false
86/name = Swordsman
86/id = 85
86/is_military = true
86/can_assign_labors = true
87/name = Master Swordsman
87/id = 86
87/is_military = true
87/can_assign_labors = false
88/name = Maceman
88/id = 87
88/is_military = true
88/can_assign_labors = true
89/name = Master Maceman
89/id = 88
89/is_military = true
89/can_assign_labors = false
90/name = Pikeman
90/id = 89
90/is_military = true
90/can_assign_labors = true
91/name = Master Pikeman
91/id = 90
91/is_military = true
91/can_assign_labors = false
92/name = Bowman
92/id = 91
92/is_military = true
92/can_assign_labors = true
93/name = Master Bowman
93/id = 92
93/is_military = true
93/can_assign_labors = false
94/name = Blowgunman
94/id = 93
94/is_military = true
94/can_assign_labors = true
95/name = Master Blowgunman
95/id = 94
95/is_military = true
95/can_assign_labors = false
96/name = Lasher
96/id = 95
96/is_military = true
96/can_assign_labors = true
97/name = Master Lasher
97/id = 96
97/is_military = true
97/can_assign_labors = false
98/name = Recruit
98/id = 97
98/is_military = true
98/can_assign_labors = true
99/name = Trained Hunter
99/id = 98
99/is_military = false
99/can_assign_labors = true
100/name = Trained War
100/id = 99
100/is_military = false
100/can_assign_labors = true
101/name = Master Thief
101/id = 100
101/is_military = false
101/can_assign_labors = true
102/name = Thief
102/id = 101
103/name = Peasant
103/id = 102
104/name = Child
104/id = 103
104/is_military = false
104/can_assign_labors = false
105/name = Baby
105/id = 104
105/is_military = false
105/can_assign_labors = false
106/name = Drunk
106/id = 105
@Bifidius - Yes, DT works natively on linux. You use hg (mercurial) to clone DE's source tree, then get in it an qmake && make. After that, you have the DwarfTherapist binary in bin/releases/DwarfTherapist. It's pretty cool stuff.
@Darmarius (again!) Wow - thank you :D
Ok, I've found the labor offset (still linux): 0x0604
The soul offset SHOULD be at 0x05e8, but I haven't been able to confirm that since the soul details have changed too.
I'm really going in the dark here :| I'm trying to find similarities between a 2010 memory dump and 2012's, but so far the soul details has eluded me. I'll update some more tonight if I find other offsets.
So, I've got dyn's game_data.ini fix, and I've got the bits from darmarius and I now have a somewhat functional DT - you can see the correct labors assigned on your starting seven dwarves, and. I just successfully changed one of my dwarves labor from DT. I expect that we don't have the re-equip offset right, so enabling/disabling the jobs of miner, woodchopper, anything that requires an equipment change will need to be done actually in DF itself; but it's still got the advantage of knowing which name you want to enable the skill on.
Actually, make that known.. recheck_equipment=0x0148
Like most here, I'm also working from the 31.25 ini file, but here are the known values we (believe) we now have:
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum=0xa42a074a
version_name=v0.34.01
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095c7bf8
language_vector=0x095c7be0
creature_vector=0x095868ac
dwarf_race_index=0x0956e240
squad_vector=0x095c47b4
[offsets]
word_table=0x0000001c
[dwarf_offsets]
labors=0x0604
recheck_equipment=0x0148
souls=0x05e8
Of course, all of this should be considered beta, some of them are educated guesses, and some may be wrong in subtle ways we don't yet know.. etc. But on my DT, this gets me to where I can at least view and set labors, however I can't tell how much *skill* any dwarf has in any labor. Yet.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 16, 2012, 04:55:54 pm
A method to implement material preferences would be nice as well, though it was my understanding that this was troublesome.
Post by: Darmarius on February 16, 2012, 05:58:07 pm
Here's my .ini:
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum=0xa42a074a
version_name=v0.34.01
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095c7bf8
language_vector=0x095c7be0
creature_vector=0x095868ac
dwarf_race_index=0x0956e240
squad_vector=0x095c47b4
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0148
current_job=0x0274
states=0x0
souls=0x05e8
labors=0x0604
happiness=0x0694
squad_ref_id=0x06f8
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
The only difference I can see from the linux ini and the windows one is two missing offsets: states and likes. I have no idea what I'm looking for right now, I'll probably run a linux and windows DF/DT side-by-side to try and find these.
For future reference, I did not "stare intensely at memory dump and hope to find the offset". I saw that there was a correlation between 31.25 and 34.01 windows ini offset changes; every dwarf_offsets from 31.25 to 34.01 are 0x11c apart (in windows). I found the labors offset (the easiest one, thanks stevedore!), calculated the difference between the two versions (0xb8) and added that value to the other offsets (souls, squad, happiness).
For the other values, I stole the difference from the windows version: the soul details are 0x10 apart, recheck_equipement is 0x04 and current_job is 18. I applied these differences blindly and it just worked.
Will this work for future update? No idea :D
Post by: kionmaru on February 16, 2012, 06:05:07 pm
Again, thank you so much :D
Post by: Myr0ku on February 16, 2012, 06:08:28 pm
Can you make a button to enable or disable all hauling functions too ?
I think of it for a long time !
Post by: Buttery_Mess on February 16, 2012, 06:37:11 pm
Post by: nenjin on February 16, 2012, 06:53:50 pm
Post by: Maldevious on February 16, 2012, 07:11:35 pm
Post by: dyn on February 16, 2012, 07:23:24 pm
Not a programmer, but I've noticed that the most recent .ini from dyn seems to cause children to be displayed as 'Pressers.' Thanks all for the excellent work you do.
I'll look into this now. Can anyone else confirm that after the game_data.ini fix that I posted above they are also still having children show up as Pressers or anything else but children?
Post by: Marble_Nuts on February 16, 2012, 08:08:26 pm
OMG you guy have no idea how happy I am to know that therapist is going on mac!! I... I mean... There are no other way to say it :D
Is there a bit of funding related to this sudden change on plan? On making therapist available for mac?As mentioned, I've created a Tip Jar (http://dwarftherapist.com/tip.html) with the intent of getting a mac mini to start merging / supporting OSX. I'll look into adding linux support once again this weekend.
Done and....... DONE !!
Let's just hope it raise up fast to the needed amount
Post by: Maldevious on February 16, 2012, 08:27:32 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Now if I could just figure out how to catch him in the act...
Post by: Girlinhat on February 16, 2012, 08:31:50 pm
Albeit, finding offsets and adding features are apples and plating an orange orchard, not exactly fair to compare the two so closely...
Post by: kyle902 on February 16, 2012, 08:58:19 pm
Post by: Jibekn on February 16, 2012, 09:00:35 pm
EDIT: I've gone blind apparently.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 16, 2012, 09:50:14 pm
I think now is actually a fairly good time to make requests. His Lordship Engineer has his machine warm and his Therapist hat on, might as well do one update session and add new features at the same time, right?
Albeit, finding offsets and adding features are apples and plating an orange orchard, not exactly fair to compare the two so closely...
I do hope to add some features to the next release. Right now I'm hip deep in debugging the migration waves issue.
Post by: Maldevious on February 16, 2012, 09:56:05 pm
I'll look into this now. Can anyone else confirm that after the game_data.ini fix that I posted above they are also still having children show up as Pressers or anything else but children?
Just got some newly born children showing up as Beekeepers.
Post by: dyn on February 16, 2012, 10:07:08 pm
Just got some newly born children showing up as Beekeepers.
See my post a couple pages back about new profession IDs. If you have not already applied this quick fix, please do so. This should fix your (and everyone elses) issue till it is added in the next official release.
Post by: Maldevious on February 16, 2012, 10:12:25 pm
Post by: notfood on February 16, 2012, 10:18:07 pm
Post by: dyn on February 16, 2012, 10:25:08 pm
dyn - I had already applied those profession IDs. Not a real big deal, I just re-assign all Beekeepers and Pressers to a custom "Child" profession. Thanks for the hard work.
Hmm strange. Any way I could get a copy of the save to take a look at? If not, no worries, I'll start a few games and keep checking the children/babies. Everything is working correctly on my end but there may be other changes that need to be addressed.
Post by: Darmarius on February 16, 2012, 10:49:17 pm
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum=0xa42a074a
version_name=v0.34.01
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095c7bf8
language_vector=0x095c7be0
creature_vector=0x095868ac
dwarf_race_index=0x0956e240
squad_vector=0x095c47b4
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0148
current_job=0x0274
states=0x0
souls=0x05e8
labors=0x0604
happiness=0x0694
squad_ref_id=0x06f8
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Here's the content of my v0.34.01.ini file for the linux offsets. Put that content in a file under <dwarfTherapistFolder>/etc/memory_layouts/linux/ and DT should pick it up.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 17, 2012, 12:15:15 am
I do hope to add some features to the next release. Right now I'm hip deep in debugging the migration waves issue.
Giving up for the night >:(
Can't seem to find the location where dwarves arrival date is stored.
Figured out how to calculate the hex value for a dwarven month though:
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There are 1200 time units per day.
There are 28 days per month.
There are 12 months in a year.
Decimal value of a given date is: 1200 * ((28 * month) + day - 1)
For example:
1 Granite would be 1200 * (28 * 0 + 1-1) = 0
23 Hematite would be 1200 * (28 * 3 + 23-1) = 127200
I think my best bet is to figure out where the game clock offset is, then try to find the migrants offset when the game pauses for new migrants. Otherwise it's storing dwarf wave information as a separate file / settings in dwarf therapist (not at all ideal)
Post by: Gearheart on February 17, 2012, 12:28:13 am
Post by: Girlinhat on February 17, 2012, 12:32:51 am
Post by: Nice Save on February 17, 2012, 02:48:39 am
If i could adress you a suggestion DE ?
Can you make a button to enable or disable all hauling functions too ?
I think of it for a long time !
If you right click on any group of skills you can enable/disable all of them at once. At least you could in the previous version, I'm holding off on 0.34.01 while I finish my current game on 31.25
Post by: Kami on February 17, 2012, 08:04:07 am
I think my best bet is to figure out where the game clock offset is, then try to find the migrants offset when the game pauses for new migrants. Otherwise it's storing dwarf wave information as a separate file / settings in dwarf therapist (not at all ideal)Calculated my starting year to 0x06021600. No reference within the creatures-vector.
But found the value at some places:
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0043f94c (uncorrected:0x0043f94c)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae27fff (uncorrected:0x0ae27fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae32fff (uncorrected:0x0ae32fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae35fff (uncorrected:0x0ae35fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae47fff (uncorrected:0x0ae47fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae62fff (uncorrected:0x0ae62fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae88fff (uncorrected:0x0ae88fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae95fff (uncorrected:0x0ae95fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae9dfff (uncorrected:0x0ae9dfff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0aeb08bf (uncorrected:0x0aeb08bf)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0aeb8fff (uncorrected:0x0aeb8fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0aec0fff (uncorrected:0x0aec0fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0aec3fff (uncorrected:0x0aec3fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x156656f7 (uncorrected:0x156656f7)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x15c46137 (uncorrected:0x15c46137)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x2b8f5aa3 (uncorrected:0x2b8f5aa3)
Looking at the raws it seems like at 0x0ae* are stored historical information according to my fortress and world.
I would say the game does not track the arrival of the dwarf within the structure in the dwarf vector but in aspecial history-vector. But I didn't find references...
I also found:
H
0x0aacbdc0 | 65 20 61 72 72 69 76 65 64 20 61 74 20 4c 69 6d | e arrived at Lim
0x0aacbdd0 | 83 72 69 64 65 6e 20 6f 6e 20 74 68 65 20 31 73 | 83riden on the 1s
0x0aacbde0 | 74 20 6f 66 20 47 72 61 6e 69 74 65 20 69 6e 20 | t of Granite in
0x0aacbdf0 | 74 68 65 20 79 65 61 72 20 32 35 31 2e 20 20 5b | the year 251.
...but this seems to be just a string with my displayed thoughts an preferences.
Post by: Maldevious on February 17, 2012, 08:38:00 am
Hmm strange. Any way I could get a copy of the save to take a look at? If not, no worries, I'll start a few games and keep checking the children/babies. Everything is working correctly on my end but there may be other changes that need to be addressed.
I ended up restarting DF and DT this morning, and things started work as they should. So, no worries. Perhaps I failed to restart them after changing the .ini. My bad.
Post by: schismatise on February 17, 2012, 10:04:40 am
I also found:
H
0x0aacbdc0 | 65 20 61 72 72 69 76 65 64 20 61 74 20 4c 69 6d | e arrived at Lim
0x0aacbdd0 | 83 72 69 64 65 6e 20 6f 6e 20 74 68 65 20 31 73 | 83riden on the 1s
0x0aacbde0 | 74 20 6f 66 20 47 72 61 6e 69 74 65 20 69 6e 20 | t of Granite in
0x0aacbdf0 | 74 68 65 20 79 65 61 72 20 32 35 31 2e 20 20 5b | the year 251.
...but this seems to be just a string with my displayed thoughts an preferences.
That looks pretty damn useful to me. Even if the information you're looking for is just stored at the end of a seperate string, it does seem to be the last thing in the string, in all cases i've seen it in - surely that's predictable enough to be extracted as usable data? Either way, good work to you, sir.
Edit: Apologies if i am ignorant of context.
Post by: Broan13 on February 17, 2012, 11:54:04 am
All children are being called Beekeepers.
EDIT: Just saw that this has been posted. sorry.
Post by: TerryDactyl on February 17, 2012, 01:11:47 pm
Reporting bugs in displaying dwarves-by-wave. They're all mix-mashed up in illogical ways.
Post by: Weaselcake on February 17, 2012, 02:11:23 pm
Post by: Darmarius on February 17, 2012, 02:43:05 pm
Right now DE is working hard on the migration wave issue, which is the most pressing bug as of now, and until that is fixed probably no other bug will be fixed.
Thanks!
Post by: TerryDactyl on February 17, 2012, 04:08:50 pm
please go to the google code project page (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/list) to post bugs/issues
Thanks Darmarius, wasn't aware of this resource.
Post by: ActnMoviHeroBoy on February 17, 2012, 04:56:15 pm
As always, many thanks to everyone working on this.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 17, 2012, 09:04:52 pm
Been chasing the string lead for a while now with no luck. The string is loaded on demand, so it doesn't show up until you actually go to the preferences screen. In addition, the timestamp or what-have-you of the arrival time does not appear to be saved in memory - at least not in the format I discovered for dwarves birth dates. Still banging my head on this one. :-/I think my best bet is to figure out where the game clock offset is, then try to find the migrants offset when the game pauses for new migrants. Otherwise it's storing dwarf wave information as a separate file / settings in dwarf therapist (not at all ideal)Calculated my starting year to 0x06021600. No reference within the creatures-vector.
But found the value at some places:
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0043f94c (uncorrected:0x0043f94c)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae27fff (uncorrected:0x0ae27fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae32fff (uncorrected:0x0ae32fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae35fff (uncorrected:0x0ae35fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae47fff (uncorrected:0x0ae47fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae62fff (uncorrected:0x0ae62fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae88fff (uncorrected:0x0ae88fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae95fff (uncorrected:0x0ae95fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0ae9dfff (uncorrected:0x0ae9dfff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0aeb08bf (uncorrected:0x0aeb08bf)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0aeb8fff (uncorrected:0x0aeb8fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0aec0fff (uncorrected:0x0aec0fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x0aec3fff (uncorrected:0x0aec3fff)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x156656f7 (uncorrected:0x156656f7)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x15c46137 (uncorrected:0x15c46137)
Found '' (00160206) = 0x2b8f5aa3 (uncorrected:0x2b8f5aa3)
Looking at the raws it seems like at 0x0ae* are stored historical information according to my fortress and world.
I would say the game does not track the arrival of the dwarf within the structure in the dwarf vector but in aspecial history-vector. But I didn't find references...
I also found:
H
0x0aacbdc0 | 65 20 61 72 72 69 76 65 64 20 61 74 20 4c 69 6d | e arrived at Lim
0x0aacbdd0 | 83 72 69 64 65 6e 20 6f 6e 20 74 68 65 20 31 73 | 83riden on the 1s
0x0aacbde0 | 74 20 6f 66 20 47 72 61 6e 69 74 65 20 69 6e 20 | t of Granite in
0x0aacbdf0 | 74 68 65 20 79 65 61 72 20 32 35 31 2e 20 20 5b | the year 251.
...but this seems to be just a string with my displayed thoughts an preferences.
Post by: Gearheart on February 17, 2012, 09:16:51 pm
It's not a fix, but it helps keep track while the bug is around.
Post by: Darmarius on February 17, 2012, 10:07:19 pm
It's a wild guess though...
Post by: Weaselcake on February 18, 2012, 03:44:35 am
Post by: Maldevious on February 18, 2012, 07:15:33 am
In the meantime, I find a good way of making sure you know which dwarves are new is to enable the alchemy labour on all dwarves once you are finished setting up their labours. Because the alchemy labour currently does nothing, you can then tell which dwarves arrived with the latest way via the lack of alchemy labour.
It's not a fix, but it helps keep track while the bug is around.
Another good way to tell is that all new dwarves come in with Feed Patients and Recover Wounded checked, which, if you use the custom professions, only doctors and nurses tend to have on by default.
Post by: kionmaru on February 18, 2012, 09:03:55 am
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[info]
checksum=0xf4fc8347
version_name=v0.34.02
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095ca018
language_vector=0x095ca000
creature_vector=0x09588ccc
dwarf_race_index=0x09570660
squad_vector=0x095c6bd4
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0148
current_job=0x0274
states=0x0
souls=0x05e8
labors=0x0604
happiness=0x0694
squad_ref_id=0x06f8
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Post by: Dohon on February 18, 2012, 09:50:54 am
It's the weekend now btw.
Meaning?
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 18, 2012, 09:52:38 am
I did say I wanted to have a stable release for this weekend. Good news on that front - I found what I think is a pretty solid solution for migration waves. I'm looking at current issues to see what else I can include in this release, then something should be out within the next couple of hours.It's the weekend now btw.
Meaning?
Post by: Starhero on February 18, 2012, 10:05:01 am
Post by: kionmaru on February 18, 2012, 10:15:48 am
So someone with windows DF and windows DT and a bit of knowledge can generate a new memory map pretty quickly - ten minutes or so. So on that front, once some of the windows guys hop on you should see new ini files for those shortly, or DE may make his own when he's ready for the release (in a few hours hopefully!) ;)
Hope that clears that up.
Post by: kionmaru on February 18, 2012, 10:20:02 am
It took me awhile reading strace logs of dwarftherapist before I figured out why the !$%! it was trying to ptrace init... ;)
Post by: Spreggo on February 18, 2012, 10:33:09 am
Post by: moozaad on February 18, 2012, 11:03:50 am
1. run therapist
2. close warning dialogue and then connect
3. scan memory (button top right)
4. create layout
5. Parent... select the nearest version to what you have (34.01)
6. change the filename and version name to 34.02
7. click okay
8. wait
9. restart therapist
This works because of all the hard work others have done to get 34.01 working (big thank you!). However it isn't perfect but at least it'll get you running.
Here's the windows graphic output:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
GL HF o/
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 18, 2012, 11:26:19 am
MAJOR CHANGES:
* Support for 0.34.02 (graphics + legacy version)
BUG FIXES:
* Closes issue 382 - Migration waves are wonky
* Closes issue 383 - Ability to set child labor in Dwarf Therapist
* Closes issue 368 - Beekeepers, waxworkers always show 0 experience
* Closes issue 290 - Bow, not Lasher
STILL AT LARGE:
* Issue 381 - Vampires cannot hide from Dwarf Therapist
I'm looking for a save game with an obvious vampire if anyone could upload one for me I would appreciate it.
Hopefully I'll be ordering the mac mini next week to start on OS X. In the meantime, I'll start looking at feature requests. (I might put out a poll) But for now, I plan on taking a nap, then going to the liquor store before starting a serious game of DF :)
Thanks again for all of your support! I can't express enough how great of a community this is.
Post by: Kipi on February 18, 2012, 11:28:20 am
After Toady that is... :P
Post by: Premium on February 18, 2012, 11:29:43 am
Post by: rooth on February 18, 2012, 11:42:47 am
Post by: Musashi on February 18, 2012, 11:56:33 am
Thank you so much!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 18, 2012, 12:09:15 pm
Holy shit, you're fast. :oLuckily I was already getting a release put together when I saw that 34.02 was posted. As noted by moozaad, generating new layouts for minor versions is now pretty trivial, so I was able to include it in the release. :)
Thank you so much!
Post by: kizucha on February 18, 2012, 12:15:48 pm
Post by: Buttery_Mess on February 18, 2012, 12:31:24 pm
Post by: Dohon on February 18, 2012, 12:42:16 pm
I did say I wanted to have a stable release for this weekend. Good news on that front - I found what I think is a pretty solid solution for migration waves. I'm looking at current issues to see what else I can include in this release, then something should be out within the next couple of hours.It's the weekend now btw.
Meaning?
I did know your intent, Dwarf Engineer, but I found Weaselcake's comment to be quite demanding. We all know you have been working hard to get it fixed and updated. His comment felt out of place.
On a different note, cheers for your hard work!
Post by: heckman on February 18, 2012, 01:02:05 pm
I did run into a little difficulty compiling the latest release (0.6.12 source) in linux however. Last version was fine but now I get the following. Anybody got a clue?
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src/scanner.cpp: In member function ‘void Scanner::find_null_terminated_string()’:
src/scanner.cpp:283:62: error: no matching function for call to ‘qMin(uint, long unsigned int)’
src/scanner.cpp:283:62: note: candidate is:
/usr/include/QtCore/qglobal.h:1194:18: note: template<class T> const T& qMin(const T&, const T&)
src/scanner.cpp: In member function ‘void Scanner::find_number_or_address()’:
src/scanner.cpp:301:62: error: no matching function for call to ‘qMin(uint, long unsigned int)’
src/scanner.cpp:301:62: note: candidate is:
/usr/include/QtCore/qglobal.h:1194:18: note: template<class T> const T& qMin(const T&, const T&)
make: *** [bin/release/scanner.o] Error 1
Thanks again DE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on February 18, 2012, 01:15:17 pm
Edit: Oh good, I was able to stop it at 233.. gotta press enter/escape JUST as the year turns.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 18, 2012, 01:16:07 pm
Thanks for all the amazing work on this application!I checked in the fix. (I'm just now getting a linux VM up and running again)
I did run into a little difficulty compiling the latest release (0.6.12 source) in linux however. Last version was fine but now I get the following. Anybody got a clue?Code: [Select]src/scanner.cpp: In member function ‘void Scanner::find_null_terminated_string()’:
src/scanner.cpp:283:62: error: no matching function for call to ‘qMin(uint, long unsigned int)’
src/scanner.cpp:283:62: note: candidate is:
/usr/include/QtCore/qglobal.h:1194:18: note: template<class T> const T& qMin(const T&, const T&)
src/scanner.cpp: In member function ‘void Scanner::find_number_or_address()’:
src/scanner.cpp:301:62: error: no matching function for call to ‘qMin(uint, long unsigned int)’
src/scanner.cpp:301:62: note: candidate is:
/usr/include/QtCore/qglobal.h:1194:18: note: template<class T> const T& qMin(const T&, const T&)
make: *** [bin/release/scanner.o] Error 1
Thanks again DE!
Post by: kionmaru on February 18, 2012, 01:18:49 pm
Thanks for all the amazing work on this application!
I did run into a little difficulty compiling the latest release (0.6.12 source) in linux however. Last version was fine but now I get the following. Anybody got a clue?Code: [Select]src/scanner.cpp: In member function ‘void Scanner::find_null_terminated_string()’:
src/scanner.cpp:283:62: error: no matching function for call to ‘qMin(uint, long unsigned int)’
src/scanner.cpp:283:62: note: candidate is:
/usr/include/QtCore/qglobal.h:1194:18: note: template<class T> const T& qMin(const T&, const T&)
src/scanner.cpp: In member function ‘void Scanner::find_number_or_address()’:
src/scanner.cpp:301:62: error: no matching function for call to ‘qMin(uint, long unsigned int)’
src/scanner.cpp:301:62: note: candidate is:
/usr/include/QtCore/qglobal.h:1194:18: note: template<class T> const T& qMin(const T&, const T&)
make: *** [bin/release/scanner.o] Error 1
Thanks again DE!
Yeah, per comment on issue #380 it should be size_t not uint, and I agree. I GOT NINJA'D BY DWARFENGINEER! He's already checked in a fix. LOL. Here's a diff if you want it, otherwise wait for his next release I suppose :P
Here's a diff patch you can apply:
Code: [Select]
diff -r 2a186e1e26f6 src/scanner.cpp
--- a/src/scanner.cpp Sat Feb 18 10:14:49 2012 -0600
+++ b/src/scanner.cpp Sat Feb 18 12:19:10 2012 -0600
@@ -280,7 +280,7 @@
QByteArray text = ui->le_null_terminated_string->text().toLocal8Bit();
get_brute_force_address_range(params.start_addr, params.end_addr);
- params.size = qMin((uint)text.size(), sizeof(params.data));
+ params.size = qMin((size_t)text.size(), sizeof(params.data));
memcpy(params.data, text.data(), params.size);
QByteArray needle((const char *)¶ms, sizeof(params));
@@ -298,7 +298,7 @@
QByteArray text = encode(ui->le_find_address->text().
toUInt(&ok, ui->rb_hex->isChecked() ? 16 : 10));
get_brute_force_address_range(params.start_addr, params.end_addr);
- params.size = qMin((uint)text.size(), sizeof(params.data));
+ params.size = qMin((size_t)text.size(), sizeof(params.data));
memcpy(params.data, text.data(), params.size);
QByteArray needle((const char *)¶ms, sizeof(params));
Also, 0.6.12 doesn't include linux memory ini's for 0.34.01 or 0.34.02, so here they are:
0.34.01 ini file:
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[info]
checksum=0xa42a074a
version_name=v0.34.01
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095c7bf8
language_vector=0x095c7be0
creature_vector=0x095868ac
dwarf_race_index=0x0956e240
squad_vector=0x095c47b4
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0148
current_job=0x0274
states=0x0
souls=0x05e8
labors=0x0604
happiness=0x0694
squad_ref_id=0x06f8
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
And the ini file for 0.34.02 version:
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum=0xf4fc8347
version_name=v0.34.02
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095ca018
language_vector=0x095ca000
creature_vector=0x09588ccc
dwarf_race_index=0x09570660
squad_vector=0x095c6bd4
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0148
current_job=0x0274
states=0x0
souls=0x05e8
labors=0x0604
happiness=0x0694
squad_ref_id=0x06f8
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Save the appropriate ini file (You really should be running df 0.34.02, so I'm going to use that) as /path/to/dwarftherapist/etc/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.01.ini, apply the diff (or make the indicated edits to scanner.cpp yourself) and finish compiling it, and you should have a linux dt that has the unofficial support for linux DF 0.34.02.
HTH!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 18, 2012, 01:25:19 pm
<snip>
Thanks, I saw you update the issue and figured I'd get the change checked in. I'll try to work on some 'official' linux support at some point this weekend / week, but for now I need a break.
Post by: kionmaru on February 18, 2012, 01:37:20 pm
Also, thanks to Darmarius and Dyn for doing really good work with offsets for 0.34.01 - I'd probably still be trying to figure out how to find the souls offset.
Post by: ubermonkey on February 18, 2012, 01:38:48 pm
I have a save with 4 "tagged" (nicknamed & stored in a burrow) vampires, but it's from .01 so I'm not sure how helpful that would be.
*Edit to say: DE (plus everyone here who's helped finding memory offsets), thanks for the amazingly quick updates to DT.
Post by: Darmarius on February 18, 2012, 02:12:44 pm
A small caveat to this: I still have all my original dwarves, but not all have the same turn count: I've got one unconscious/stunned dwarf which turn count is 45 "ticks" below the others. He just was injured by a mis-organized cave-in. He hasn't waken up yet and I don't have the time right now to set my hospital to test whether its value will update when he wakes up, but it's something you should look into, I think.
Thanks for the release DE!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 18, 2012, 03:18:24 pm
The turn_count offset for linux is 0x052b; should be the same for both version (I haven't tested on 0.34.02)There's quite a bit of fudge-factor when figuring the migration wave based on turn count. I'm going off my previous calculations of 1200 ticks per day, 28 days per month. Right now I'm grouping turn counts within a month of each other, but that could be upped to about 2.5 months or so if it needs correcting. So in reality a dwarf can fall behind by about 33600 ticks before he'll get bumped out of the wave.
A small caveat to this: I still have all my original dwarves, but not all have the same turn count: I've got one unconscious/stunned dwarf which turn count is 45 "ticks" below the others. He just was injured by a mis-organized cave-in. He hasn't waken up yet and I don't have the time right now to set my hospital to test whether its value will update when he wakes up, but it's something you should look into, I think.
Thanks for the release DE!
Post by: Zanielyene on February 18, 2012, 03:38:36 pm
I tend to run therapist and DF from a batch file so it's kinda annoying to click "okay" to the prompt each time i start the game.
Post by: Captain Mayhem on February 18, 2012, 04:08:11 pm
if ya'll are still adding features, I would kill for an option to turn off the "cannot talk to dwarf fortress" prompt that comes up when the connection to the game is lost.You already have that option, though :)
I tend to run therapist and DF from a batch file so it's kinda annoying to click "okay" to the prompt each time i start the game.
1: Open up DT
2: Go to "File" and "Options"
3: Uncheck "Load Dwarves on Startup"
Et voila.
Post by: TheReverendTholomewPlague on February 18, 2012, 04:41:42 pm
if ya'll are still adding features, I would kill for an option to turn off the "cannot talk to dwarf fortress" prompt that comes up when the connection to the game is lost.
I tend to run therapist and DF from a batch file so it's kinda annoying to click "okay" to the prompt each time i start the game.
Ahem: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5247
Shameless self promotion, but also a better option than a batch file. Customisable, too :)
Post by: ChudDwarf on February 18, 2012, 09:34:38 pm
Sometimes it will get back into sync, and then diverge again. I haven't gone through the rolls one at a time to see who is the discrepancy, but it's fairly reproducible for me.
In 34.01, DT tended to think there were more dwarves than DT knew about; in 34.02 it's the other way around (based on a sample size of one game each, so that may well be just chance).
Thanks for all your work!
Post by: Buttery_Mess on February 18, 2012, 09:48:06 pm
Dwarf therapist shows all dwarves in the migration wave before they show up on the map. It's one of the many things we love about it.
Post by: ChudDwarf on February 18, 2012, 10:03:47 pm
Dwarf therapist shows all dwarves in the migration wave before they show up on the map.
It's not just that, though; it stays out of sync well beyond the period of time just before and after a wave arrives. And currently, Dwarf Therapist is missing one; DF claims 52 dwarves (in both z-menu summary and unit list), and DT lists only 51. (I do have it set to show children abd babies, so those aren' the missing ones.)
Post by: Ripolix on February 19, 2012, 12:25:46 am
Dwarf therapist shows all dwarves in the migration wave before they show up on the map.
It's not just that, though; it stays out of sync well beyond the period of time just before and after a wave arrives. And currently, Dwarf Therapist is missing one; DF claims 52 dwarves (in both z-menu summary and unit list), and DT lists only 51. (I do have it set to show children abd babies, so those aren' the missing ones.)
I believe that DT doesn't show vampires. You probably have one.
Post by: Intrinsic on February 19, 2012, 02:13:34 am
Post by: orius on February 19, 2012, 03:13:28 am
DT even found the custom settings I'd set back in 31.25. Don' know how that happened, but I don't care, I won't have to do all that stuff over.
Post by: Darmarius on February 19, 2012, 09:59:39 am
How DT handles migration wave changed in the most recent version; there's a new turn_count offset in the memory layout. My guess is that the 0.31.25.ini file wasn't updated with the turn_count offset. I don't have the time right now to check for it, so maybe somebody else can.
Also, for the child issue: the game_data.ini file changed. This file maps numerical id to actual jobs description and this is how DT knows what id is a child and not to assign job to him. This mapping changed in the most recent version of DF so DT had to update it; it's no longer valid for earlier version of DF.
My opinion is to stick with the 0.6.10 version for 0.31.25 for now, maybe DE can add more compatibility in the future. However, I'd consider DT 0.6.11 and up only compatible with 0.34.xx and perhaps even making the current DT version as 0.7.
Post by: Intrinsic on February 19, 2012, 11:11:03 am
Post by: Dienes on February 19, 2012, 12:02:23 pm
Post by: Zantan on February 19, 2012, 01:07:14 pm
Post by: ag on February 19, 2012, 01:15:23 pm
https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/commit/52f3ececbcb5d520563edc11f0a23241427a6e8d#L1R158 (https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/commit/52f3ececbcb5d520563edc11f0a23241427a6e8d#L1R158)
Btw, when changing nicknames, it is necessary to update all three of the unit, soul, and the historical figure entry like the game does (plus of course the assumed identity now); otherwise it is inconsistent, and the most likely cause of the long known quirk of military members losing their DT nicknames from time to time.
Post by: peterix on February 19, 2012, 01:32:04 pm
Post by: oldmansutton on February 19, 2012, 09:26:19 pm
...you should have a linux dt that has the unofficial support for linux DF 0.34.02.
Kionmaru, you are amazing! I got most of this myself, then came here hoping someone else would have figured out the rest. Thank you for your work, you saved me a few more hours of struggle! ^_^
Post by: chrisadams3997 on February 19, 2012, 11:32:39 pm
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9320/image1wvq.jpg)
Is there something in Qt I'm missing or maybe an operating system issue (I'm running 64-bit windows 7 home premium)? Just grasping at straws right now. I'm wanting to get it compiling however to try to merge in the work shishimar did displaying physical attributes. I've already tracked down the offsets for the physical attributes*:
Code: [Select]
physical_attrs=0x3E4
strength=0x3E4
toughness=0x41C
endurance=0x438
agility=0x400
recuperation=0x454
disease_resistance=0x470
...So the rest should be a pretty straight forward merge. Personally I'd love to see this worked into the official version, it's so incredibly useful when picking out dwarves for the military.
*the official DT version only has the 'physical_attrs' tag, the others are only in the Shishimar version. Changing the 'physical_attrs' to the correct value in 6.12 didn't have any effect when enabling the three physical attributes available for a grid view to show, they all just show '-1', so I'm assuming that they are disabled in the code as of now.
Post by: Kami on February 20, 2012, 03:52:26 am
Btw, I've seen how you solved the migration wave problem. Simple and effective. ;-)
Post by: miauw62 on February 20, 2012, 05:32:06 am
@ DwarfEngineer: Thx for the new version!
Btw, I've seen how you solved the migration wave problem. Simple and effective. ;-)
Magma?
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 20, 2012, 09:08:24 am
As far as new features go, I'm starting the process of triaging and prioritizing requests, as long as there are no major issues with DT, I'll plan on a new release in the next month or so that will hopefully be adding OSX support, fixing linux support, and adding a few features. I'm aware that 0.6.12 is not backward compatible with 31.2x - I probably should have bumped the major version, I'll do that with the next release. game_data.ini has all of the profession & skill values - I would like to adjust it so that it isn't quite so version specific (or at least there can be multiple versions).
Hi all, kinda new here. I've done a lot of C++ code modding Civ4, in particular working on the DuneWars mod, so I've done some compiling before, but I'm not having any luck with the DT source code right now. I've cloned the repository to my computer using Hg and loaded the dwarftherapist.pro file in Qt (which this is my first time using, I've always worked in visual studios before), but upon trying to compile it (with no changes made) I get the following errors:I'll take a look at the Shishimar version and see how difficult it will be to merge. As for building, there are issues with Qt 4.8.0 that I didn't want to get into right at the moment, so I would recommend installing the 4.7.4 version of Qt (Direct Link (http://ftp://ftp.qt.nokia.com/qt/source/qt-win-opensource-4.7.4-mingw.exe)) for now. You'll have to go into the project settings and switch the platform to Qt 4.7.4 (PM me if you have issues with this - it can be tricky to find)
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9320/image1wvq.jpg)
Is there something in Qt I'm missing or maybe an operating system issue (I'm running 64-bit windows 7 home premium)? Just grasping at straws right now. I'm wanting to get it compiling however to try to merge in the work shishimar did displaying physical attributes. I've already tracked down the offsets for the physical attributes*:Code: [Select]physical_attrs=0x3E4
strength=0x3E4
toughness=0x41C
endurance=0x438
agility=0x400
recuperation=0x454
disease_resistance=0x470
...So the rest should be a pretty straight forward merge. Personally I'd love to see this worked into the official version, it's so incredibly useful when picking out dwarves for the military.
*the official DT version only has the 'physical_attrs' tag, the others are only in the Shishimar version. Changing the 'physical_attrs' to the correct value in 6.12 didn't have any effect when enabling the three physical attributes available for a grid view to show, they all just show '-1', so I'm assuming that they are disabled in the code as of now.
@ DwarfEngineer: Thx for the new version!Thanks, I do wish that I had arrived at this approach earlier, I spent way too long looking for history entries that probably weren't there (I now think that DF is just using the "turn count" for each dwarf to generate the "She arrived at Blarglefast on 21st Malachite, 251" statements)
Btw, I've seen how you solved the migration wave problem. Simple and effective. ;-)
Again, thanks everyone for the support. More updates to follow.
Post by: chrisadams3997 on February 20, 2012, 10:48:12 am
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 20, 2012, 10:50:57 am
Appreciate the response. Unfortunately the link redirects to http://www.microfocus.com/products/rumba/rumba-product/index.aspx (http://www.microfocus.com/products/rumba/rumba-product/index.aspx) instead, so I'm SOL for now... lol. The internet as a whole has always been bad about not keeping any access to older versions of software available like like, so no surprise, just unfortunate. At a bare minimum I hoped to get the existing grid view strength, toughness, and agility columns displaying before I got too far into a game.The BBCode seems to be modifying the link. I'll spell it out - ftp://ftp.qt.nokia.com/qt/source/qt-win-opensource-4.7.4-mingw.exe
Post by: Sutremaine on February 20, 2012, 12:05:22 pm
And currently, Dwarf Therapist is missing one; DF claims 52 dwarves (in both z-menu summary and unit list), and DT lists only 51. (I do have it set to show children abd babies, so those aren' the missing ones.)Would it be possible to sort dwarves in DT in the same way they're sorted in the Unit screen? It'd make finding stragglers a lot easier.
Post by: chrisadams3997 on February 20, 2012, 12:32:08 pm
Post by: Sorcerer on February 20, 2012, 12:48:31 pm
Just wondering tho, is there any plans on adding caste support to DT in the future? currently it seems to only track gender as base caste or any other, so alot of mods with multiple castes will show up as 95% female in the list.
If actual caste name display is impossible, maybe change the gender display to be based off the [female] tag instead?
Post by: Auto Slaughter on February 20, 2012, 01:49:44 pm
(So, sort of like the "Toggle [category] for This Dwarf" option that's available on right-click, but customizable.)
And as everyone else has been saying... thank you so much for putting all the effort in to work on DT, it makes DF so much easier to play!
Post by: Crustypeanut on February 20, 2012, 02:29:51 pm
- Fishery Workers don't seem to appear in DT.
- Some of the 'current tasks' are wrong. Like, it shows my smelter doing first aid while he's smelting.
- Named animals / undead (the ones with kills) show up as peasants in DT. I have.. quite a few of them, to say the least.
Those are the only ones I've spotted so far, but keep up the great work DE!
Post by: Feb on February 20, 2012, 02:45:23 pm
Post by: Neyvn on February 20, 2012, 04:43:20 pm
Migrants turning into Nightmare Creatures on arrival will still appear in the Therapist as Migrants, filling it up dispite the fact they are technically no longer part of the fort...
Post by: chrisadams3997 on February 20, 2012, 05:00:35 pm
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7718/image2hkk.jpg)
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6683/image1krd.jpg)
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3458/image3pb.jpg)
It's a straight merge of 6.12 with shishimar's added content, I didn't change a thing. The only thing I'm missing is the current_year index, you'll see that if you look at the age displayed at the top of the second image. If anyone can find that and if DE doesn't mind I can upload it for anyone who wants to use it.
Post by: SalmonGod on February 20, 2012, 05:06:54 pm
Post by: Squee on February 20, 2012, 05:09:22 pm
Post by: Maldevious on February 21, 2012, 08:52:32 am
And it works :D
It's a straight merge of 6.12 with shishimar's added content, I didn't change a thing. The only thing I'm missing is the current_year index, you'll see that if you look at the age displayed at the top of the second image. If anyone can find that and if DE doesn't mind I can upload it for anyone who wants to use it.
Very interesting, that'd be quite handy.
Post by: arclance on February 21, 2012, 01:27:12 pm
And it works :DVery nice I would like that.
It's a straight merge of 6.12 with shishimar's added content, I didn't change a thing. The only thing I'm missing is the current_year index, you'll see that if you look at the age displayed at the top of the second image. If anyone can find that and if DE doesn't mind I can upload it for anyone who wants to use it.
Post by: ChudDwarf on February 21, 2012, 01:36:07 pm
This is definitely not a vampire issue, for a number of reasons; in one case, DT was off by about two, I paused the game and restarted DT, and upon re-reading everything it was now off by four. This is a little unusual; more often, a re-read or restart will stay at the same error.
More tellingly though, I currently have a fortress just about to die at the end of a no-water-and-tantrum-spiral, and I was down to two dwarves, a hammerdwarf-turned-miner and a baby. DT did not detect the baby. Then my adult dwarf dies of thirst. DF still runs and reports I have one dwarf in the fortress, but when I ask DT to re-read the dwarves, it disconnects and claims that DF is no longer running.
At this point I quit DT, paused and saved my game (and made a copy in case anyone wants to look at it), continued it, and re-started DT, with the same result - can't connect, though DF runs with one baby dwarf left.
Maybe some migrants will arrive in the next day or two... :-)
Post by: Rinin_Rus on February 21, 2012, 02:19:42 pm
Post by: BigD145 on February 21, 2012, 02:52:47 pm
And it works :D
Do want.
Post by: sumofallwars on February 21, 2012, 07:02:52 pm
keep up the good work :D
Post by: chrisadams3997 on February 21, 2012, 09:42:52 pm
And for those that missed this before, it adds in the physical attributes on the dwarf details pane as well as enables them to be shown in grid views (with strength, toughness, and endurance shown by default in the military grid view). It also should handle gender/caste correctly. None of the work is mine originally, I've just brought in what shishimar did for DT 6.10 into the new 6.12 version.
* I merged everything that shishimar added that didn't directly conflict with the 6.12 changes. While most was directly related to the physical attributes and gender/caste handling, some of that added code was part of what looks like an incomplete attempt to add in the ability to list your tame animals and details about them that it looks like he didn't implement (as far as I've noticed so far, haven't seen anywhere to actually see your animals in the program.) I left it in for expediency in case any of the code additions I wanted to actually bring in relied on some of that code, but if this is brought into an official version, that should probably be selectively culled out of it. I also made no attempt to compare his methods adding these features in compared with how the code is otherwise organized and implemented, so again, for any merges with official versions, it'd be good to take a closer look at the actual implementation and make any changes needed for consistency. But all that said, from a practical standpoint, it all seems to work perfectly with the new version, which is all I set out to do.
Post by: Ripolix on February 21, 2012, 10:01:44 pm
chrisadams3997, I think everyone here wanna your version =) I'm just downloaded QT, DT project and now feel relived coz I can use your version instead of finding own solution.
My eyes hurt.
Post by: zwei on February 22, 2012, 04:07:03 am
Code: [Select]
<autoUpdateURL path="http://df.zweistein.cz/soundsense/soundpack"/>Sorry for inconvenience.
Post by: Kregoth on February 22, 2012, 04:47:43 am
Just FYI sound soundense: dropbox is slightly pissed off for abusing it do distribute so much data, so there is change of pack auto update location. This is, once again, current URL for automated update:Code: [Select]<autoUpdateURL path="http://df.zweistein.cz/soundsense/soundpack"/>
Sorry for inconvenience.
umm, did you mean to put that in the sound sense topic zwei? lol
Post by: ruetisiv on February 22, 2012, 05:13:39 am
Here is what I did :
Quote
hg clone https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/How to install it correctly ?
It creates a dwarftherapist folder with the source, memory files..;
cd dwarftherapist
qmake
make (it compile without error)
create the v0.34.02.ini in his folder
cd bin/release
./DwarfTherapist to run it
It run and closes instantly, I can see the window for maybe half of a second
Thanks in advance.
Post by: zwei on February 22, 2012, 05:16:33 am
umm, did you mean to put that in the sound sense topic zwei? lol
Well, since SS in LNP is now configured to use update server that is no longer working, it very much belongs here :-)
Post by: Flobulon on February 22, 2012, 06:44:36 am
umm, did you mean to put that in the sound sense topic zwei? lol
Well, since SS in LNP is now configured to use update server that is no longer working, it very much belongs here :-)
This is the Dwarf Therapist thread, the LNP thread is http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.0)
:)
Post by: zwei on February 22, 2012, 06:51:23 am
... This is the Dwarf Therapist thread, ...
... x.x ... oh, thanks. ... sigh
Post by: splinterz on February 22, 2012, 10:12:43 am
Well, here's the Link to the DT 6.12/shishimar merge (http://www.mediafire.com/?fbc2b6z4dr8irgd) I did. I've been using it for a few days without any problem, so anybody who wants to is free to use it. I've only found the windows offsets for the physical attributes, if someone on linux finds them I can update it. I also haven't looked any further for the current year index, so that's still needed for windows and linux for it to display ages correctly. Here's a link for the source* (http://www.mediafire.com/?srsb93u8naj6ups) as well for anyone inclined to look.
And for those that missed this before, it adds in the physical attributes on the dwarf details pane as well as enables them to be shown in grid views (with strength, toughness, and endurance shown by default in the military grid view). It also should handle gender/caste correctly. None of the work is mine originally, I've just brought in what shishimar did for DT 6.10 into the new 6.12 version.
* I merged everything that shishimar added that didn't directly conflict with the 6.12 changes. While most was directly related to the physical attributes and gender/caste handling, some of that added code was part of what looks like an incomplete attempt to add in the ability to list your tame animals and details about them that it looks like he didn't implement (as far as I've noticed so far, haven't seen anywhere to actually see your animals in the program.) I left it in for expediency in case any of the code additions I wanted to actually bring in relied on some of that code, but if this is brought into an official version, that should probably be selectively culled out of it. I also made no attempt to compare his methods adding these features in compared with how the code is otherwise organized and implemented, so again, for any merges with official versions, it'd be good to take a closer look at the actual implementation and make any changes needed for consistency. But all that said, from a practical standpoint, it all seems to work perfectly with the new version, which is all I set out to do.
after you mentioned the merge worked earlier in the thread i did the same thing! my version ended up being slightly different from yours though. i'm still curious to see your source but the link you've provided seems to be for another version?
anyway i've added my source and a description of changes here: http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/
here's the link to the zip if anyone wants to try it out: http://www.mediafire.com/?s9b9514c5wlznp0
Post by: kionmaru on February 22, 2012, 11:16:46 am
Hi everyone... I have trouble installing DT on linux, I run Ubuntu 64bits.
Here is what I did :Quotehg clone https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/How to install it correctly ?
It creates a dwarftherapist folder with the source, memory files..;
cd dwarftherapist
qmake
make (it compile without error)
create the v0.34.02.ini in his folder
cd bin/release
./DwarfTherapist to run it
It run and closes instantly, I can see the window for maybe half of a second
Thanks in advance.
If you run it from a console window, do you get any error output?
Can you make the log directory and give us output of the run.log?
Post by: arclance on February 22, 2012, 11:26:28 am
* I merged everything that shishimar added that didn't directly conflict with the 6.12 changes. While most was directly related to the physical attributes and gender/caste handling, some of that added code was part of what looks like an incomplete attempt to add in the ability to list your tame animals and details about them that it looks like he didn't implement (as far as I've noticed so far, haven't seen anywhere to actually see your animals in the program.) I left it in for expediency in case any of the code additions I wanted to actually bring in relied on some of that code, but if this is brought into an official version, that should probably be selectively culled out of it. I also made no attempt to compare his methods adding these features in compared with how the code is otherwise organized and implemented, so again, for any merges with official versions, it'd be good to take a closer look at the actual implementation and make any changes needed for consistency. But all that said, from a practical standpoint, it all seems to work perfectly with the new version, which is all I set out to do.The animal stuff is on a new tab you have to click this
(http://tnypic.net/56230.png)
and add the new tab.
shishimar never had it show up by default for some reason.
Hi everyone... I have trouble installing DT on linux, I run Ubuntu 64bits.There are instructions for building in linux here if you have not seen them already. (https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist)
Here is what I did :Quotehg clone https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/How to install it correctly ?
It creates a dwarftherapist folder with the source, memory files..;
cd dwarftherapist
qmake
make (it compile without error)
create the v0.34.02.ini in his folder
cd bin/release
./DwarfTherapist to run it
It run and closes instantly, I can see the window for maybe half of a second
Thanks in advance.
You did not install the .ini correctly for one thing.
First you need to copy the etc directory to bin/release and then put the v0.34.02.ini in bin/release/etc/memory_layouts/linux.
Also you need to make a directory "log" in bin/release
You may need to run using
sudo ./DwarfTherapist
to get around a security feature (to prevent memory hacking) in Ubuntu as well.
It is working for me in Ubuntu 11.04 64bit, what version of Ubuntu are you using?
Post by: chrisadams3997 on February 22, 2012, 12:24:52 pm
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The animal stuff is on a new tab you have to click this
and add the new tab.
shishimar never had it show up by default for some reason.
Ah, missed that. In that case, it shows your animals too, lol.
Quote
i'm still curious to see your source but the link you've provided seems to be for another version?
Yea, not quite used to Hg as opposed to Svn yet, didn't quite do what I expected trying to do something like SVN's 'export'. Anyway, I updated the link with the proper source (http://www.mediafire.com/?srsb93u8naj6ups).
edit:
Looked at what you did just now and diffed the sources, mostly cosmetic differences.
Quote
- updated the default views to include all attributes on the military tabI changed the view to show all six at first too, but man it clutters it up so that it's a lot harder to read, in my opinion, I changed it back in a hurry. Endurance, healing, and disease resistance are best left in the details pane I think, from a readability and usability standpoint.
Post by: splinterz on February 22, 2012, 01:02:43 pm
edit:
Looked at what you did just now and diffed the sources, mostly cosmetic differences.Quote- updated the default views to include all attributes on the military tabI changed the view to show all six at first too, but man it clutters it up so that it's a lot harder to read, in my opinion, I changed it back in a hurry. Endurance, healing, and disease resistance are best left in the details pane I think, from a readability and usability standpoint.
I just did a quick diff myself after you posted the new source file, the few differences are indeed cosmetic. The columns didn't bother me though, I've already got a billion of them on the labour tab so 3 more on the military tab didn't phase me. :P Ah well to each their own.
Post by: ruetisiv on February 22, 2012, 04:16:28 pm
Hi everyone... I have trouble installing DT on linux, I run Ubuntu 64bits.There are instructions for building in linux here if you have not seen them already. (https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist)
Here is what I did :Quotehg clone https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/How to install it correctly ?
It creates a dwarftherapist folder with the source, memory files..;
cd dwarftherapist
qmake
make (it compile without error)
create the v0.34.02.ini in his folder
cd bin/release
./DwarfTherapist to run it
It run and closes instantly, I can see the window for maybe half of a second
Thanks in advance.
You did not install the .ini correctly for one thing.
First you need to copy the etc directory to bin/release and then put the v0.34.02.ini in bin/release/etc/memory_layouts/linux.
Also you need to make a directory "log" in bin/releaseor it will crash at startupif you want to read logs if something goes wrong.
You may need to run using
sudo ./DwarfTherapist
to get around a security feature (to prevent memory hacking) in Ubuntu as well.
It is working for me in Ubuntu 11.04 64bit, what version of Ubuntu are you using?
Thanks a lot, it works now ! Moving the etc/ folder did the trick.
Post by: arclance on February 22, 2012, 04:35:57 pm
I like the columns better myself, it makes it easier to pick the strongest dwarfs and put them in the military without having to read the dwarf details for hundreds of dwarfs in a mature fortress.
edit:
Looked at what you did just now and diffed the sources, mostly cosmetic differences.Quote- updated the default views to include all attributes on the military tabI changed the view to show all six at first too, but man it clutters it up so that it's a lot harder to read, in my opinion, I changed it back in a hurry. Endurance, healing, and disease resistance are best left in the details pane I think, from a readability and usability standpoint.
I just did a quick diff myself after you posted the new source file, the few differences are indeed cosmetic. The columns didn't bother me though, I've already got a billion of them on the labour tab so 3 more on the military tab didn't phase me. :P Ah well to each their own.
Your version builds and runs fine on Ubuntu 11.04, now I just need the offsets for the new stuff.
I got the physical attributes for v0.34.02 Linux
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strength=0x328
agility=0x344
toughness=0x360
endurance=0x37C
recuperation=0x398
disease_resistance=0x3B4
(http://tnypic.net/6b40b.png)
Thanks a lot, it works now ! Moving the etc/ folder did the trick.Your welcome.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 22, 2012, 08:55:19 pm
Post by: Pyriklos on February 22, 2012, 11:03:09 pm
Hi everyone... I have trouble installing DT on linux, I run Ubuntu 64bits.There are instructions for building in linux here if you have not seen them already. (https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist)
Here is what I did :Quotehg clone https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/How to install it correctly ?
It creates a dwarftherapist folder with the source, memory files..;
cd dwarftherapist
qmake
make (it compile without error)
create the v0.34.02.ini in his folder
cd bin/release
./DwarfTherapist to run it
It run and closes instantly, I can see the window for maybe half of a second
Thanks in advance.
You did not install the .ini correctly for one thing.
First you need to copy the etc directory to bin/release and then put the v0.34.02.ini in bin/release/etc/memory_layouts/linux.
Also you need to make a directory "log" in bin/releaseor it will crash at startupif you want to read logs if something goes wrong.
You may need to run using
sudo ./DwarfTherapist
to get around a security feature (to prevent memory hacking) in Ubuntu as well.
It is working for me in Ubuntu 11.04 64bit, what version of Ubuntu are you using?
I just created a forum account to say how truly grateful I am for you advise. I've been trying to compile from source and make it work since the DF v0.34.02 came out with no luck. Yesterday gave up and went back to using notes. Now just by moving the "etc" to the right place it all works without a hitch. This was my first ever trying to compile anything from source too :)
Thank you so much!!!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 23, 2012, 01:47:50 am
Post by: schismatise on February 23, 2012, 02:09:49 am
Suggestion: Allow renaming multiple dwarves at once. When I get a migrant wave, I find the useful ones, shuffle labor a little, and have a lot of haulers left over. I name them all to "Blank" so I can easily find any Blank to fill a new job. Trouble is running through each useless migrant and renaming them. If I could select multiple dwarves and give them all a nickname at once, this would make things entirely easier, and honestly I'm not sure why this isn't allowed anyways.
I'm not sure about nicknames, but you can click-and-drag to select multiple dwarves, and then right-click to assign a custom profession, which then shows up in game. I actually didn't know this until quite recently, heh. Makes assigning new migrant waves as haulers much easier.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 23, 2012, 02:23:56 am
Post by: Neyvn on February 23, 2012, 02:34:20 am
Post by: Yaotzin on February 23, 2012, 06:17:19 am
Post by: Kogut on February 23, 2012, 06:27:40 am
Btw, when changing nicknames, it is necessary to update all three of the unit, soul, and the historical figure entry like the game does (plus of course the assumed identity now); otherwise it is inconsistent, and the most likely cause of the long known quirk of military members losing their DT nicknames from time to time.Please, please fix this bug
Post by: MarcAFK on February 23, 2012, 06:47:21 am
however Therapist 0.6.9 with the new memory layout added seems to work OK, I'll see if it's buggy.
Edit: Firstly the Migration wave order is off, but not a bug deal really., my starting 7 seem to be wave 6.
Edit: CHildren show up as Pressers, so i'll have no problem sorting my dwarves, i'll just leave it on sort by profession and look at the pressers closer, when they arrive their labours are all off anyway.
Post by: splinterz on February 23, 2012, 07:51:13 am
I know about that, but I usually work off nickname. When you try to assign multiple dwarves a nickname, it says something like "Whoa there cowboy, slow down! You can only do that one at a time!"
It seems like this should be possible. I did a quick hack this morning to allow it to loop through and set the specified nickname to all selected dwarves and I haven't noticed any issues with it yet. I didn't see any comments in the code as to why it was only allowing one at a time. Give it a try if you'd like. (http://www.mediafire.com/?3ncddpwwezzc2qt)
Post by: Meph on February 23, 2012, 09:50:18 am
Genesis used a patch that detects the caste system, by adding another sorting option, which uses the castes. It was really easy to use and mod, and I made my own version for my mod. Of course it does not work with the new Therapist, so I wanted to ask if anyone knows how to do this ?
I had a file called caste_default.txt in DwarfTherapist/etc folder.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sutremaine on February 23, 2012, 10:49:03 am
Post by: chrisadams3997 on February 23, 2012, 11:50:38 am
Post by: Sutremaine on February 23, 2012, 02:17:32 pm
Post by: Poldon on February 23, 2012, 02:57:31 pm
Before this wave, I was already having some issues, namely DT saying 17 total but counting 6 in a group that actually only consisted of 4 (I always sort by immigration wave).
Other than these issues I have had 4 children in a row kidnapped, in case that can contribute to the funkiness.
Post by: O11O1 on February 23, 2012, 07:16:09 pm
If the former, would it have trouble editing that dorf's labors?
Post by: vityav on February 23, 2012, 10:39:35 pm
When Therapist hits a vampire dorf, does it read his real name or his identity?
If the former, would it have trouble editing that dorf's labors?
I was just going to come post a bug about this dwarf showing up with the wrong name, but realized with your post (and many former memberships) that she was a vampire.
To answer your second question: I just tested it and DT changes the labors just fine.
Post by: splinterz on February 24, 2012, 06:50:58 am
...I also haven't looked any further for the current year index, so that's still needed for windows and linux for it to display ages correctly...
for windows: current_year=0xfd31f0
Post by: chrisadams3997 on February 24, 2012, 05:15:12 pm
Post by: Jerg on February 25, 2012, 06:00:12 am
Post by: TeleDwarf on February 25, 2012, 06:53:10 am
When Therapist hits a vampire dorf, does it read his real name or his identity?
If the former, would it have trouble editing that dorf's labors?
I was just going to come post a bug about this dwarf showing up with the wrong name, but realized with your post (and many former memberships) that she was a vampire.
Will this bug be fixed? I do not like this cheaty way to discover vampires, It breaks all the investigation fun for me.
Post by: schismatise on February 25, 2012, 09:59:01 am
When Therapist hits a vampire dorf, does it read his real name or his identity?
If the former, would it have trouble editing that dorf's labors?
I was just going to come post a bug about this dwarf showing up with the wrong name, but realized with your post (and many former memberships) that she was a vampire.
Will this bug be fixed? I do not like this cheaty way to discover vampires, It breaks all the investigation fun for me.
This bug exists in Dwarf Fortress, not Dwarf Therapist, and if you read the news posted on bay12games.com, you will see that it is already fixed in the next version (not out yet as of this post).
Post by: TeleDwarf on February 25, 2012, 10:30:42 am
This bug exists in Dwarf Fortress, not Dwarf Therapist, and if you read the news posted on bay12games.com, you will see that it is already fixed in the next version (not out yet as of this post).
Thank you.
Post by: ag on February 25, 2012, 01:08:01 pm
This bug exists in Dwarf Fortress, not Dwarf Therapist, and if you read the news posted on bay12games.com, you will see that it is already fixed in the next version (not out yet as of this post).
This bug exists in Dwarf Fortress too - but unless Toady changed the way vampire identities are stored in memory, DT will have to fix it on its own: currently the displayed vampire identity name is kept completely separate and not mirrored to the usual unit name fields. I handled this in DFHack's rename unit command, but it involves several data structures completely new to DT.
Post by: Kaos on February 25, 2012, 08:18:57 pm
Make sure you have the 'Dwarf Details' pane displayed by going to Windows>Docks>Dwarf Details, and make sure it's not hidden behind the 'Pending Changes' tab on the right side of the screen. See this image: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/image1ub.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/image1ub.jpg/), and notice that dwarf details and pending changes are arranged in two tabs with one or the other showing. Hope that helps :) .Uh?? is this new? the dwarf attributes showing in the details screen, I mean... Mine only shows happiness I'm using version 0.6.11
Post by: schismatise on February 25, 2012, 11:07:02 pm
This bug exists in Dwarf Fortress, not Dwarf Therapist, and if you read the news posted on bay12games.com, you will see that it is already fixed in the next version (not out yet as of this post).
This bug exists in Dwarf Fortress too - but unless Toady changed the way vampire identities are stored in memory, DT will have to fix it on its own: currently the displayed vampire identity name is kept completely separate and not mirrored to the usual unit name fields. I handled this in DFHack's rename unit command, but it involves several data structures completely new to DT.
Oh, right, yes, fair enough, i could have worded that better. I mean, i was thinking of that more as a new feature that needs supporting as opposed to a "bug" you need to "fix", but considering the effect is identical i suppose the point is moot. I guess i was just trying to say that the issue will probably be sorted out soon, here's hoping.
Make sure you have the 'Dwarf Details' pane displayed by going to Windows>Docks>Dwarf Details, and make sure it's not hidden behind the 'Pending Changes' tab on the right side of the screen. See this image: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/image1ub.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/image1ub.jpg/), and notice that dwarf details and pending changes are arranged in two tabs with one or the other showing. Hope that helps :) .Uh?? is this new? the dwarf attributes showing in the details screen, I mean... Mine only shows happiness I'm using version 0.6.11
See this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3020672#msg3020672).
Post by: UnHerpers on February 27, 2012, 01:59:44 pm
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6454/buggynecromancer.jpg)
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8761/buggynecromancer2.jpg)
Post by: Mozleron on February 28, 2012, 03:20:15 am
Thanks,
~Moz
Post by: splinterz on February 28, 2012, 11:31:21 am
- added all the soul's mental attributes (spatial sense, focus, willpower, etc..)
- added a new default tab for the added attributes (includes both physical and mental together)
- added an additional option to draw the header text from bottom to top
- slightly tweaked the threshold for traits so more of them are visible
- fixed a bug when applying filters while hiding children/babies
- included the current year offset so ages show up properly
you can download it here (http://www.mediafire.com/?ol8ekv9julldoqv) and view the source code here (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7204/6938542879_078f96b49b.jpg)
I've been playing around with the Script Editor for finding out which of my Dwarves actually have any (useful/non-default) labors enabled, among other filtering tasks, and am wondering where the scripts themselves are stored. I see that there is probably supposed to be a menu option to edit existing scripts, but that menu appears to be disabled at the moment. In Lieu of that working, where do the scripts get stored between executions of DT? I'd like to go back and tinker with one i've already written, but don't exactly recall what all i put into it.
Thanks,
~Moz
These are the various base locations for the Dwarf Therapist settings:
Windows - %APPDATA% OR %COMMON_APPDATA%
Linux - $HOME/Settings OR /etc/xdg
Mac OS X - $HOME/.config OR /etc/xdg
Inside the above location you should see a UDP Software directory, and within that is the settings file.
Post by: spook54321 on February 28, 2012, 11:34:26 am
Post by: splinterz on February 28, 2012, 11:40:27 am
Nooooooo! latest version broke it again... :'(
sonofa... i'm going to need more coffee...
Post by: Spotty on February 28, 2012, 12:00:45 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 28, 2012, 12:11:08 pm
Looking forward to a 34.03-compatible update with bated breath. Profuse thanks in advance.Unfortunately I won't be able to post an update until I get done with work - around 4:30 CST. Hopefully there's no major offset changes.
Splinterz, can you elaborate on how you're finding the offset for current year? If I have a reliable way of finding that, I'll work on incorporating your changes into the official build.
Thanks
-DE
Post by: nightwhips on February 28, 2012, 12:18:49 pm
Mac Mini is in. Trying to get it setup in headless mode so I can remote VNC instead of having it hooked up all the time. I'm out of town this weekend, but OSX support is a top priority.
Looking forward to this! Keep us posted!
Post by: Spotty on February 28, 2012, 12:28:48 pm
Unfortunately I won't be able to post an update until I get done with work - around 4:30 CST. Hopefully there's no major offset changes.
Hey, no big hurry on my account, I actually am still breathing normally, that was just an idiom. :P Thanks for posting, though, it's really nice to know what time to not bother checking before.
Post by: HammerDave on February 28, 2012, 01:44:28 pm
Use at your own risk. I managed to set metalcrafting on one dwarf. Gotta get ready for work. Unfortunately I can't just pull a mood and blow it off. ;)
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checksum=0x4f4cd85b
version_name=v0.34.03 (graphics)
complete=true
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translation_vector=0x017dd65c
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creature_vector=0x01799748
dwarf_race_index=0x015c5ebc
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id=0x00FC
recheck_equipment=0x01C0
birth_year=0x022C
current_job=0x030C
physical_attrs=0x3C4
turn_count=0x0668
states=0x06BC
souls=0x0764
likes=0x07A0
labors=0x078C
squad_ref_id=0x08AC
happiness=0x082C
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traits=0x0224
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id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
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general_name_singular=0x00E8
general_name_plural=0x0104
male_name_singular=0x0158
male_name_plural=0x0174
female_name_singluar=0x0120
female_name_plural=0x013C
custom_color_red=0x0382
custom_color_green=0x0380
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
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1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Post by: kionmaru on February 28, 2012, 04:31:12 pm
ooooh, new df.. Let me see if I can get linux 0.6.12 working with it.
Here we go; this one is working for me:
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[info]
checksum=0x5502e97b
version_name=v0.34.03
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095cdbfc
language_vector=0x095cdbe4
creature_vector=0x0958c8ac
dwarf_race_index=0x09574240
squad_vector=0x095ca7b4
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0148
current_job=0x0274
turn_count=0x052b
states=0x0
souls=0x05e8
labors=0x0604
happiness=0x0694
squad_ref_id=0x06f8
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
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size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
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1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
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Post by: SalmonGod on February 28, 2012, 05:19:21 pm
I've made a few more updates to the branch I've been playing around with:
This looks fantastic. Can't wait to try it on 34.03 :)
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 28, 2012, 05:39:52 pm
New layouts have been posted for 34.03 (windows). They should download automatically the next time you start therapist with dwarf fortress running.
If you have check for updates turned off or otherwise want to download the layouts manually, they're available here:
Windows v0.34.03 (graphics) (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.03_graphics.ini)
Windows v0.34.03 (legacy) (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.03_legacy.ini)
(Right-click, Save As...)
I have my OSX development environment setup, and it's compiling and running on OSX, so I can begin adding back in all of the necessary functionality. I'm working on it whenever I have a free moment. I'm also prioritizing bugfixes and features for the next full DT release. I'll be interested to see if the vampire issue is fixed in 34.03, or if work still needs to be done in Therapist. Again, I'm looking for saves with weird behavior.
Thanks,
-DE
Post by: Lysabild on February 28, 2012, 06:08:54 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on February 28, 2012, 06:29:42 pm
Secondly noticed that it counts 31 dwarves, displays 11, and my population is 15. The 4 other dwarves are all adults and show no spectacular features, they simply don't show up in Therapist's list. This was after one migrant wave, where some appeared on Therapist and the 4 others did not.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 28, 2012, 06:48:38 pm
This is... funky. First noticed that all attributes show up as "15" which is clearly a bug but I don't use that very much, so meh.Could you post your fort on dffd please? I'll take a look at it tonight when I get a chance. (Haven't had a chance to actually play yet)
Secondly noticed that it counts 31 dwarves, displays 11, and my population is 15. The 4 other dwarves are all adults and show no spectacular features, they simply don't show up in Therapist's list. This was after one migrant wave, where some appeared on Therapist and the 4 others did not.
Post by: Weaselcake on February 28, 2012, 06:59:15 pm
Post by: nenjin on February 28, 2012, 07:01:32 pm
Quote
I've made a few more updates to the branch I've been playing around with:
- added all the soul's mental attributes (spatial sense, focus, willpower, etc..)
- added a new default tab for the added attributes (includes both physical and mental together)
- added an additional option to draw the header text from bottom to top
- slightly tweaked the threshold for traits so more of them are visible
- fixed a bug when applying filters while hiding children/babies
- included the current year offset so ages show up properly
(image)
you can download it here and view the source code here
Much <3. I've been waiting for complete attribute displays in Therapist so I can make some educated assignments for migrants, without having to go screen...by screen....by screen. Since the chmod days. So, many thank yous!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 28, 2012, 07:06:58 pm
Post by: splinterz on February 28, 2012, 07:33:37 pm
That would probably be prudent.QuoteI've made a few more updates to the branch I've been playing around with:
- added all the soul's mental attributes (spatial sense, focus, willpower, etc..)
- added a new default tab for the added attributes (includes both physical and mental together)
- added an additional option to draw the header text from bottom to top
- slightly tweaked the threshold for traits so more of them are visible
- fixed a bug when applying filters while hiding children/babies
- included the current year offset so ages show up properly
(image)
you can download it here and view the source code here
Much <3. I've been waiting for complete attribute displays in Therapist so I can make some educated assignments for migrants, without having to go screen...by screen....by screen. Since the chmod days. So, many thank yous!
yeah that's always driven me crazy as well. it's still a work in progress though. some of the attributes aren't quite scaled properly with the ratings yet, and i think this last released swapped the order of some of them around but i'll keep tinkering with it.
Post by: Neyvn on February 28, 2012, 07:47:38 pm
Post by: chrisadams3997 on February 28, 2012, 08:57:34 pm
Quote
I've made a few more updates to the branch I've been playing around with:
- added all the soul's mental attributes (spatial sense, focus, willpower, etc..)
I had this funny feeling you'd take a run at adding them in. It's what I'd have done if I still had the time these days ;).
Quote
Splinterz, can you elaborate on how you're finding the offset for current year? If I have a reliable way of finding that, I'll work on incorporating your changes into the official build.
I'll be looking forward to that. As always, thanks for all your hard work on this program DE. It's really appreciated.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 28, 2012, 09:01:06 pm
This is... funky. First noticed that all attributes show up as "15" which is clearly a bug but I don't use that very much, so meh.Hmm, not seeing quite the same thing - loading from your save it's displaying 12 out of your 15. Not seeing an issue with the attributes either.
Secondly noticed that it counts 31 dwarves, displays 11, and my population is 15. The 4 other dwarves are all adults and show no spectacular features, they simply don't show up in Therapist's list. This was after one migrant wave, where some appeared on Therapist and the 4 others did not.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 28, 2012, 09:10:51 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on February 28, 2012, 09:23:30 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 28, 2012, 09:25:20 pm
My save had a doctor die. If you keep it running it should produce a ghost in due time. The fact that I got 3-4 vampires in a wave of 9 is astonishing.I'm actually not positive on that - it's weird, if I let the game advance a few seconds all 15 dwarves show up, so I'm thinking that flag is completely bogus.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 28, 2012, 09:33:14 pm
Post by: Kaos on February 28, 2012, 09:45:48 pm
See this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3020672#msg3020672).I'm confused... there are two versions of DT now? one vanilla as published on the OP, and a "merged" one that shows the extra attributes?? merged with what?
And from the last posts it seems its getting integrated in the new version? was that a beta version or something?
Post by: orius on February 28, 2012, 10:57:06 pm
The fact that I got 3-4 vampires in a wave of 9 is astonishing.
You know how dwarves sometimes bring plenty of livestock with them when they immigrate? The vamps are just doing the same thing....
Post by: Girlinhat on February 28, 2012, 11:02:11 pm
Post by: Akhram on February 28, 2012, 11:05:49 pm
looking for a manager, doesnt filter anything :(
Post by: orius on February 28, 2012, 11:48:25 pm
Ha-HA! Well played Orius!
One of the things I love about this game is the way one can sometimes rationalize the most random and bizarre stuff that happens.
Post by: Neyvn on February 28, 2012, 11:50:28 pm
So to be clear, have we fixed the problem of Turned *Undead/Evil Rain* Dwarves still appearing in the Therapist???So no answer???
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 28, 2012, 11:53:38 pm
No answer yet. I need a save file from 34.03 with the condition, if possible.So to be clear, have we fixed the problem of Turned *Undead/Evil Rain* Dwarves still appearing in the Therapist???So no answer???
Post by: kionmaru on February 29, 2012, 12:21:43 am
Here's your fresh 0.6.12 dt ini file (for Linux):
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum=0x6c11a27c
version_name=v0.34.04
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095cdbfc
language_vector=0x095cdbe4
creature_vector=0x0958c8ac
dwarf_race_index=0x09574240
squad_vector=0x095ca7b4
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0148
current_job=0x0274
turn_count=0x052b
states=0x0
souls=0x05e8
labors=0x0604
happiness=0x0694
squad_ref_id=0x06f8
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Hope this helps ^^
Post by: Neyvn on February 29, 2012, 12:28:33 am
Well there is a 34.02 one. Let me go get it...No answer yet. I need a save file from 34.03 with the condition, if possible.So to be clear, have we fixed the problem of Turned *Undead/Evil Rain* Dwarves still appearing in the Therapist???So no answer???
There we go...
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5629
Post by: Mattias on February 29, 2012, 03:52:17 am
O hai, new DF version out - v0.34.04 due to a crash on save issue.
Here's your fresh 0.6.12 dt ini file (for Linux):Code: [Select][info]
checksum=0x6c11a27c
version_name=v0.34.04
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095cdbfc
language_vector=0x095cdbe4
creature_vector=0x0958c8ac
dwarf_race_index=0x09574240
squad_vector=0x095ca7b4
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0148
current_job=0x0274
turn_count=0x052b
states=0x0
souls=0x05e8
labors=0x0604
happiness=0x0694
squad_ref_id=0x06f8
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Hope this helps ^^
I tried scanning the memory myself and I get the same values as you except I get zeroed out translation_vector and creature_vector... somehow it can't find them. And then I tried yours but it won't work somehow, it errors out with that it finds nothing, no dwarves or creatures.
Had it work fine in .02 somehow.
Post by: kionmaru on February 29, 2012, 04:23:30 am
change complete=true to complete=false and try to run it that way. Also, make sure you're running 0.34.04 and not 0.34.03 from this morning. And you're running DT 0.6.12, not one of the modified source trees but DE's version.
Can you make the log directory and get me the run.log from it failing?
Post by: Mattias on February 29, 2012, 05:05:05 am
@Mattias,
change complete=true to complete=false and try to run it that way. Also, make sure you're running 0.34.04 and not 0.34.03 from this morning. And you're running DT 0.6.12, not one of the modified source trees but DE's version.
Can you make the log directory and get me the run.log from it failing?
I'll try that in around 30 minutes. I'm running dwarftherapist-hg version. Will also try latest stable if complete=false does not work. Will modify this post with results after.
EDIT:
Ok so.. I tried with complete=false but that didn't change much. And I am running .04 (actually had the same problem in .03 before .04 was released).
Here is the run.log with complete=false turned on (which is pretty much identical to complete=true):
http://pastebin.com/7zxipDU0
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, is my huge 24gb mem confusing DT? :P
EDIT2: apparently I failed to copy it somehow and the creature_vector was wrong, to let everyone know, that memory layout file does work ^.^
Post by: ag on February 29, 2012, 05:13:08 am
I'm actually not positive on that - it's weird, if I let the game advance a few seconds all 15 dwarves show up, so I'm thinking that flag is completely bogus.
I strongly suggest you consult DFHack data before trying to randomly change stuff. For instance, there is a third flag variable, and the real ghost flag is there.
Post by: kionmaru on February 29, 2012, 05:47:57 am
Erm, there are only four commits to DE's mercurial since 0.6.12, and I wonder if 518:31cf068fc895 doesn't include an offset I don't have (for ghost flag).
I went ahead and updated to his current hg, see if I can't repliacte.
Post by: schismatise on February 29, 2012, 06:40:01 am
See this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3020672#msg3020672).I'm confused... there are two versions of DT now? one vanilla as published on the OP, and a "merged" one that shows the extra attributes?? merged with what?
And from the last posts it seems its getting integrated in the new version? was that a beta version or something?
I was hoping you'd do a little more reading and figure it out on your own :P no worries though. Basically, the source code has been apparently shared and several people, who have some experience with such things, have created their own version of DT in order to add/fix bugs/features that they felt was worth doing. I believe one or 2 were related to providing Mac/Linux support.
My advice to you (and probably anyone else who's wondering) is to stick with the main releases by Dwarf Engineer. Sounds like there's a pretty good chance he's going to look at incorporating the community features/bugfixes anyway, which is always nice. Thanks, Dwarf Engineer!
Post by: Daecor on February 29, 2012, 07:12:47 am
but messing around with DT this is the layout that i've come up with and it seems to work for me on windows so i thought i would share
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum=0x4f4d9726
version_name=v0.34.04 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x017dd65c
language_vector=0x017dd63c
creature_vector=0x01799748
dwarf_race_index=0x015c5ebc
squad_vector=0x015cb24c
[offsets]
word_table=0x0000003c
string_buffer_offset=0x0000
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x001C
noun_plural=0x0038
adjective=0x0054
verb=0x008C
present_simple_verb=0x00A8
past_simple_verb=0x00C4
past_participle_verb=0x00E0
present_participle_verb=0x00FC
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x001C
last_name=0x0038
custom_profession=0x006C
profession=0x0088
race=0x008C
flags1=0x00E0
flags2=0x00E4
sex=0x00F8
id=0x00FC
recheck_equipment=0x01C0
birth_year=0x022C
current_job=0x030C
physical_attrs=0x3C4
turn_count=0x0668
states=0x06BC
souls=0x0764
likes=0x07A0
labors=0x078C
squad_ref_id=0x08AC
happiness=0x082C
[soul_details]
skills=0x0200
traits=0x0224
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x003C
members=0x0088
[position_offsets]
token=0x0000
flags=0x0020
general_name_singular=0x00E8
general_name_plural=0x0104
male_name_singular=0x0158
male_name_plural=0x0174
female_name_singluar=0x0120
female_name_plural=0x013C
custom_color_red=0x0382
custom_color_green=0x0380
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 29, 2012, 08:12:34 am
New layouts have been posted for 34.04 (windows). They should download automatically the next time you start therapist with dwarf fortress running.
If you have check for updates turned off or otherwise want to download the layouts manually, they're available here:
Windows v0.34.04 (graphics) (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.04_graphics.ini)
Windows v0.34.04 (legacy) (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.04_legacy.ini)
(Right-click, Save As...)
This doesn't include any flag changes. I'm going to take Ag's advice and look at DFHack and hopefully have a bug-fix release soon to fix issues with zombies/ghosts. Still looking for a fortress 34.03 or 34.04 with confirmed vampires.
Thanks,
-DE
Post by: !!Urist Unfortune!! on February 29, 2012, 08:26:03 am
Post by: Fishbreath on February 29, 2012, 08:30:51 am
Post by: robertheinrich on February 29, 2012, 08:48:46 am
Still looking for a fortress 34.03 or 34.04 with confirmed vampires.
I have a 34.04 with a female vampire for you. Well, not 100% confirmed but she shows the "usual" signs. Extremely long history, 16 kids, shows up with different name in DwarfTherapist, haven´t seen her eat or drink. I made her my bookkeeper and locked her away at z level 109 before it came to any incidents.
It´s a savegame with a world created with 34.02 which I moved to 34.04 so I´m not sure if it will help you. It´s the Windows version of 34.04 including DFHack and the Pheobus gfx pack. I uploaded the whole DF folder here: http://www.mediafire.com/?u46c4b3dud9o4ru (http://www.mediafire.com/?u46c4b3dud9o4ru)
Post by: ag on February 29, 2012, 09:11:11 am
Still looking for a fortress 34.03 or 34.04 with confirmed vampires.
Here is a fun one from a bug with a vampire ghost drinking blood :D
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5623 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5623)
It's from 34.02, but it's compatible.
Post by: splinterz on February 29, 2012, 09:25:53 am
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?2diyra29h0pkroz)
source (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
the current_year offset for 34.03 and 34.04 (i think?) is 0xfcc1f0
in regards to the current_year offset i've been trying to find a consistent way to locate it as well (i've been checking dfhack's xml symbols files), and i've found that it seems to always be offset a static length from the world address, specifically 0x7B9AF8 before the world address.
edit: i posted in the dfhack thread with an issue and asked about the cur_year they find:
on a side note, tell me your secret to finding the cur_year offset! :DThat one's actually quite easy: find the vtable for history_event_collectionst and check the 2nd-last method in it (the last one is the destructor) - it sets one field to the current year and another field to the current time.
Post by: Jerg on February 29, 2012, 02:23:16 pm
i've fixed the attribute offsets in my branch and added the *.ini files for 34.03 and 34.04.
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?2diyra29h0pkroz)
source (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
the current_year offset for 34.03 and 34.04 (i think?) is 0xfcc1f0
in regards to the current_year offset i've been trying to find a consistent way to locate it as well (i've been checking dfhack's xml symbols files), and i've found that it seems to always be offset a static length from the world address, specifically 0x7B9AF8 before the world address.
edit: i posted in the dfhack thread with an issue and asked about the cur_year they find:on a side note, tell me your secret to finding the cur_year offset! :DThat one's actually quite easy: find the vtable for history_event_collectionst and check the 2nd-last method in it (the last one is the destructor) - it sets one field to the current year and another field to the current time.
:o
Awesome, been waiting for traits to return to DT for a while now. Hoping you and DwarfEngineer could work something out in the future and have this as part of the official build too!
Post by: crossmr on February 29, 2012, 07:54:16 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on February 29, 2012, 10:33:57 pm
I just noticed, that all the stats in the new version are 888 rather than the specific stats they had before (I was using that combined version someone uploaded)You'll have to download the updated ini files for your version of dwarf therapist then since the layouts are not currently supported in the official verison. I believe the new ini file was posted somewhere in this thread.
Post by: Sutremaine on March 01, 2012, 04:30:13 pm
Post by: Neyvn on March 01, 2012, 04:58:47 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 01, 2012, 05:55:03 pm
I'm using the 34.03 / 34.04 version in splinterz's post with 34.04, and while the actual numbers are being displayed correctly the descriptions and the numbers (or glyphs) in the main view are off. I'm getting a range of range of odd numbers from 1 to 13 and a dwarf with 1033 agility being described as clumsy. This happens with both a save copied from 34.03 and a fortress with a 34.04-generated world.
it would appear there's a gap in the ranges in some (all?) of the attributes. with agility, for example, it jumps from 401-650 to 1150-1399. 1033 falls right in that gap where there's no description. i just noticed there are similar gaps in some of the others so i'll have to add in another description there i guess. thanks for pointing it out. i used odd numbers rather than a sequence because i found it was too hard to see a difference graphically between the lower-mid levels.
Quote
Did ya check that Savefile I posted with the Husks and such appearing as Citizens of the Fort despite not being part of the fort???
i'm checking it now. i think i've got the flags sorted for things that are actually dead, or ghostly etc..
Post by: Sutremaine on March 01, 2012, 07:01:06 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 01, 2012, 07:15:29 pm
Yeah, pretty much every attribute with a seven-number range doesn't have description text for the middle one. The strangest thing is that it's been working fine in DT up until this version.yes i removed the 'average' descriptions i had put in previously when i remapped the groupings for the attributes because they were misaligned slightly. i'll have them added back soon enough though with the proper ranges, huzzah!
Did ya check that Savefile I posted with the Husks and such appearing as Citizens of the Fort despite not being part of the fort???i've briefly looked into this and unfortunately dwarf husk people don't seem to have any of the usual flags checked to not include them. we'll have to find another way to identify dwarves that aren't really dwarves. :-\ but the good news is all the strangeness with ghosts and vampire ghosts and people who appear to be able to see but have eye problems (don't ask) not appearing/appearing in dt seems to be working ok. anyway, sleeps for me.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 01, 2012, 11:38:27 pm
Once I get further with the OSX version I'll continue on bugs for the windows version.
Post by: telamon on March 02, 2012, 12:46:40 am
Post by: orius on March 02, 2012, 01:03:08 am
Post by: Jerg on March 02, 2012, 04:05:53 am
There's the fake name bit, vampires will come to your fort with a fake name, but Therapist displays the real name. I caught a vampire last night this way.
That's arguably cheating though, defeats the whole purpose of vampires being able to have fake identities, and all the guesswork involved in identifying one.
Post by: crossmr on March 02, 2012, 04:30:07 am
There's the fake name bit, vampires will come to your fort with a fake name, but Therapist displays the real name. I caught a vampire last night this way.
That's arguably cheating though, defeats the whole purpose of vampires being able to have fake identities, and all the guesswork involved in identifying one.
They need something to balance out the inability to stop vampire attacks, the fact that they randomly and indiscriminately kill dwarves that you've spent a long time working on and offer little to no benefit.
Post by: makpantek on March 02, 2012, 06:58:31 am
edit: nvm just find the option for it. Sorry i am new to this.
Post by: splinterz on March 02, 2012, 12:29:13 pm
- ghosts shouldn't show up anymore
- berserk/raging dwarves shouldn't show up anymore
- added a description for the gap range in attributes
- castes should be working again (untested)
- fixed an issue where dwarves sometimes wouldn't show up (girlinhat's save)
- fixed the bug where the initial dwarf count was enormous
- the animals tab should be available again
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?9ok40modk9568r4)
source & comprehensive change notes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
i've also added a few more offsets for castes, moods, and curses. we can definitely use the curse offset to find out which dwarves are vampires, but i haven't been able to find out exactly how/where they're linked to their assumed identities.
edit: if anyone can upload a save with a kidnapped baby for some additional testing it would be greatly appreciated!
Post by: Rose on March 02, 2012, 01:21:24 pm
Post by: !!Urist Unfortune!! on March 02, 2012, 03:53:23 pm
Post by: BigFatStupidHead on March 02, 2012, 04:09:07 pm
Shocked I haven't posted here yet.
Post by: splinterz on March 02, 2012, 04:10:48 pm
Are you talking about a just a fort where a child has been kidnapped, or are you looking for a fort where the kidnapped child has returned?kidnapped and has left the map. i want to ensure they're not showing up in dt once they're gone.
Post by: !!Urist Unfortune!! on March 02, 2012, 11:38:02 pm
Are you talking about a just a fort where a child has been kidnapped, or are you looking for a fort where the kidnapped child has returned?kidnapped and has left the map. i want to ensure they're not showing up in dt once they're gone.
I will post, if i lose a child.
Post by: Rose on March 03, 2012, 04:43:40 am
It also has a vampire on the map, so you can mess with that to get proper info.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 03, 2012, 01:06:14 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: bombzero on March 03, 2012, 03:13:34 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 03, 2012, 03:53:15 pm
was the issue with dwarfs not appearing related to injured historical migrants? as that seems to be a common trend in my fort... hopefully i can see them now.
yes it did seem to be related to this! specifically a 'damaged vision part' from what i found. please post back with your findings and if it's still giving you issues perhaps upload your save if it's not too much trouble.
Post by: bombzero on March 03, 2012, 04:15:59 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 03, 2012, 06:47:19 pm
his 3rd finger left hand is gone. he can see fine, course after he died its a bit hard to prove that, hes in one of the coffins in my managers dining room.yeah it's doing something strange behind the scenes. in the save i tested the dwarves missing from therapist didn't show any signs of damage in game, however it was still setting a flag that they had some damaged vision parts, which for reasons unknown therapist then flagged as dead and excluded them.
dammit i just realized some of the attributes are still showing messed up tooltips /sigh. i better fix that...
Post by: bombzero on March 03, 2012, 07:05:48 pm
Post by: Diffuse on March 03, 2012, 09:35:04 pm
Making good progress on OSX - need to do a bit more testing before releasing a betaI just wanted to say, thank you! You just made my day, waiting patiently on your OS X port so I can finally play DF 34.0x without using Wine or going to my Windows partition.
Good luck!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 03, 2012, 09:40:51 pm
I'm working on the packaging of DT, and need to know if it will run on someone else's system. (I may need to figure out how to include Qt redistributables)
If you're interested in testing, please try this version (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b01.dmg) with v0.34.04 of Dwarf Fortress.
Post by: Neyvn on March 03, 2012, 10:20:18 pm
Post by: benloran on March 03, 2012, 11:11:56 pm
I actually could use a beta tester or two.
I'm working on the packaging of DT, and need to know if it will run on someone else's system. (I may need to figure out how to include Qt redistributables)
If you're interested in testing, please try this version (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b01.dmg) with v0.34.04 of Dwarf Fortress.
Yeah, it looks like it's complaining about not having Qt installed.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 03, 2012, 11:34:30 pm
I actually could use a beta tester or two.
I'm working on the packaging of DT, and need to know if it will run on someone else's system. (I may need to figure out how to include Qt redistributables)
If you're interested in testing, please try this version (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b01.dmg) with v0.34.04 of Dwarf Fortress.
Yeah, it looks like it's complaining about not having Qt installed.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks for testing. I think I might have it worked out if you're willing to give it another try.
DF OSX 0.6.12b02 (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b02.dmg)
Incidentally, did the installer(dmg, package, whatever) look/work as expected?
Post by: fredmaehn on March 04, 2012, 02:19:23 am
Thanks for testing. I think I might have it worked out if you're willing to give it another try.
DF OSX 0.6.12b02 (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b02.dmg)
Incidentally, did the installer(dmg, package, whatever) look/work as expected?
Oh no! Won't run on my 1st-Gen Macbook, probably (= quite sure, finder shows the icon crossed out, regularly does that if it can't find code to run) because its 64bit code only, and my geriatric Atom processor can't run this. Any chance of building it as a universal binary with i386 and x64 code?
So I went over to my newer mac mini, and there it tries to start at least and failed with:
Dyld Error Message: Library not loaded: /Users/*/QTCore.framework/Versions/4/QTCore
Referenced from /Applications/DwarfTherapist.app/Contents/MacOS/../Frameworks/QTScript.framework/Versions/4/QtScript
Reason: Image not found
Post by: benloran on March 04, 2012, 02:26:08 am
Edit: forgot to answer your question. Yeah the dmg looks great, just as expected.
Post by: Spuzzy on March 04, 2012, 03:35:52 am
Incidentally, did the installer(dmg, package, whatever) look/work as expected?
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Yes, it looked very nicely done.
Post by: fredrol on March 04, 2012, 04:33:33 am
Post by: !!Urist Unfortune!! on March 04, 2012, 04:55:39 am
Post by: splinterz on March 04, 2012, 05:09:13 am
- kidnapped babies shouldn't show up anymore (untested, still waiting on a save to verify)
- fixed a few display bugs with attributes and their descriptions in the tooltip
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?ps8d9sa1z5t3td2)
source (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: Anrock on March 04, 2012, 05:48:13 am
In kionmaru's version dwarves second names are displayed as Unknownunknown.
And why memory mappings for linux version are updated much less often than for windows? Latest mappings for linux is for 0.31.25!
Thanks in advance.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 04, 2012, 08:33:28 am
Dwarf Therapist OSX 0.6.12b03 (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b03.dmg)
I'll work on the universal version - I don't know that I'll really be able to test it though.
Post by: kionmaru on March 04, 2012, 09:20:14 am
Could someone post memory mapping for v0.34.04 for linux?
In kionmaru's version dwarves second names are displayed as Unknownunknown.
And why memory mappings for linux version are updated much less often than for windows? Latest mappings for linux is for 0.31.25!
Thanks in advance.
My current ini for v0.34.04:
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum=0x6c11a27c
version_name=v0.34.04
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x095cdbfc
language_vector=0x095cdbe4
creature_vector=0x0958c8ac
dwarf_race_index=0x09574240
squad_vector=0x095ca7b4
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0148
current_job=0x0274
turn_count=0x052b
states=0x0
souls=0x05e8
labors=0x0604
happiness=0x0694
squad_ref_id=0x06f8
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
This should display their last names just fine. When the last name is UnknownUnknown, then complete=false; in my current one complete=true and they should show just fine. I've got enough ini's scattered around here that you may have grabbed an old one, or it might be that your dt isn't referencing the ini you're expecting.
Try
cd dwarftherapist; grep "checksum=0x6c11a27c" * -R
That command should show all ini files within the dwarftherapist base directory that will be matched by DF v0.34.04.
Let me know if it's still behaving strangely. I'm using DE's mercurial repository, and with his current source tree I'm not able to replicate.
@DwarfEngineer - Is m_current_year actually referenced or used anywhere right now?
Post by: chrisadams3997 on March 04, 2012, 10:19:00 am
I've been thinking about ways to present the attribute data graphically better. The problem with using the same draw method as for skills is that it floods the 'attributes' pane with too much information. To be more precise, the reason it doesn't overload the labors tab is that most cells are empty or close to it, which makes picking out the important information (who is good at what skills) easy. If instead everyone had some skill in everything, you'd have the same problem as what the attributes pane is producing. To improve it I've tried a little different approach:
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6088/image4mu.png)
Instead of filling every square with something, which makes it hard to pick strengths and weaknesses out at a glance (which is what we're looking for), average attributes display nothing -only once a attribute is above or below normal do you get a graphical change, with less than average showing in red, better than average in black, the size telling you how much better or worse.
The next thing I want to do is create several more default grid views that individually only show a subset of the attributes important to a certain 'class' of jobs. For instance one for craftsdwarf related skills (creativity, kinesthetic sense, spacial sense, the relevant physical traits), with the idea being that it'd give a quick way to look over new immigrants for those well suited to train in a given skill.
I'm putting this up to download, but ultimately I'm not looking to maintain this separate from splinterz', I'm hoping he incorporates it into his, but for now here are the files and source:
Download (http://www.mediafire.com/?c7adhf3nk8zhtha)
Source (http://www.mediafire.com/?vs4637c23e5do4f)
I've also made two small changes reverting back to behaivor in older versions, average attributes have no text descriptions (this is more readable to me, text indicates it's not average), and changed it back to only display traits more than 10 points off of average, for similar reasons. By only presenting what is significantly different from the norm, I firmly believe you make the information much more accessible, instead of flooding the screen with almost every trait for every dwarf.
Post by: schismatise on March 04, 2012, 10:26:17 am
By only presenting what is significantly different from the norm, I firmly believe you make the information much more accessible, instead of flooding the screen with almost every trait for every dwarf.
Just for the sake of providing some feedback to the discussion; i agree.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 04, 2012, 10:30:37 am
@DwarfEngineer - Is m_current_year actually referenced or used anywhere right now?Not in vanilla DwarfTherapist, it's part of preparations to merge in some of these other changes that are floating around. (chrisadams & splinterz changes)
Post by: Anrock on March 04, 2012, 10:33:56 am
Post by: kionmaru on March 04, 2012, 10:44:23 am
@DwarfEngineer - Is m_current_year actually referenced or used anywhere right now?Not in vanilla DwarfTherapist, it's part of preparations to merge in some of these other changes that are floating around. (chrisadams & splinterz changes)
Thanks - I went through your sources and couldn't find anything for it; scan for current year gives me a whole slew of addresses, none of which seem to quite resolve to an integer or word that all appear to be -1. I didn't dig deeper then that.
@kionmaru, thanks. That config works perfectly.
You're more than welcome :) Glad to hear it's behaving itself.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 04, 2012, 10:51:17 am
Current year looks like it's always going to be the last address (the address closest to dwarf_race_index) on v34.04 linux its: 0x09571d40@DwarfEngineer - Is m_current_year actually referenced or used anywhere right now?Not in vanilla DwarfTherapist, it's part of preparations to merge in some of these other changes that are floating around. (chrisadams & splinterz changes)
Thanks - I went through your sources and couldn't find anything for it; scan for current year gives me a whole slew of addresses, none of which seem to quite resolve to an integer or word that all appear to be -1. I didn't dig deeper then that.@kionmaru, thanks. That config works perfectly.
You're more than welcome :) Glad to hear it's behaving itself.
I'm updating the scanner script to report the last (and most likely) address.
Post by: kionmaru on March 04, 2012, 11:03:25 am
Current year looks like it's always going to be the last address (the address closest to dwarf_race_index) on v34.04 linux its: 0x09571d40@DwarfEngineer - Is m_current_year actually referenced or used anywhere right now?Not in vanilla DwarfTherapist, it's part of preparations to merge in some of these other changes that are floating around. (chrisadams & splinterz changes)
Thanks - I went through your sources and couldn't find anything for it; scan for current year gives me a whole slew of addresses, none of which seem to quite resolve to an integer or word that all appear to be -1. I didn't dig deeper then that.@kionmaru, thanks. That config works perfectly.
You're more than welcome :) Glad to hear it's behaving itself.
I'm updating the scanner script to report the last (and most likely) address.
On mine it's not reporting the correct offset at all then. 0x09571d40 is indeed an integer which appears to be correct; here's the list I get:
current year = 0x08c8ea8c (uncorrected:0x08c8ea8c)
current year = 0x08c8eaa4 (uncorrected:0x08c8eaa4)
current year = 0x08c8eae8 (uncorrected:0x08c8eae8)
current year = 0x08c8eb28 (uncorrected:0x08c8eb28)
current year = 0x08c8eb64 (uncorrected:0x08c8eb64)
current year = 0x08c8eba4 (uncorrected:0x08c8eba4)
current year = 0x08cab2b2 (uncorrected:0x08cab2b2)
current year = 0x08ceb760 (uncorrected:0x08ceb760)
current year = 0x08dbf16c (uncorrected:0x08dbf16c)
current year = 0x08dbf778 (uncorrected:0x08dbf778)
current year = 0x08dbfc10 (uncorrected:0x08dbfc10)
I can upload the world to dffd, it was genned with 0.34.04.
And just to verify, current_year should be in the [addresses] section if I'm reading your sources correctly, is that right?
** edit
hg failed to merge game_data.ini properly so I ended up with no expected year setting; that's what was causing the bad year search. Apologies, I should have caught that; it was no longer showing up in hg merge as a problem. Probably touched the file and it became more recent than your patch.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 04, 2012, 11:06:25 am
On mine it's not reporting the correct offset at all then. 0x09571d40 is indeed an integer which appears to be correct; here's the list I get:Odd. Couple things you could check I guess - 1. There is a newer revision which fixed an issue for OSX/Linux scanning, and 2. The scanner is intended to be run against a freshly generated world with medium history (i.e. starting on year 251)
current year = 0x08c8ea8c (uncorrected:0x08c8ea8c)
current year = 0x08c8eaa4 (uncorrected:0x08c8eaa4)
current year = 0x08c8eae8 (uncorrected:0x08c8eae8)
current year = 0x08c8eb28 (uncorrected:0x08c8eb28)
current year = 0x08c8eb64 (uncorrected:0x08c8eb64)
current year = 0x08c8eba4 (uncorrected:0x08c8eba4)
current year = 0x08cab2b2 (uncorrected:0x08cab2b2)
current year = 0x08ceb760 (uncorrected:0x08ceb760)
current year = 0x08dbf16c (uncorrected:0x08dbf16c)
current year = 0x08dbf778 (uncorrected:0x08dbf778)
current year = 0x08dbfc10 (uncorrected:0x08dbfc10)
I can upload the world to dffd, it was genned with 0.34.04.
And just to verify, current_year should be in the [addresses] section if I'm reading your sources correctly, is that right?
Post by: kionmaru on March 04, 2012, 11:16:37 am
Odd. Couple things you could check I guess - 1. There is a newer revision which fixed an issue for OSX/Linux scanning, and 2. The scanner is intended to be run against a freshly generated world with medium history (i.e. starting on year 251)
Yeah, see edit - hg merge failed to handle game_data.ini right, and so I didn't have the expected year set, which probably ended with it defaulting to something either not quite sane or random. My bad >.< ;
Post by: benloran on March 04, 2012, 12:45:44 pm
I think I was making this harder than it needed to be. One more try -
Dwarf Therapist OSX 0.6.12b03 (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b03.dmg)
I'll work on the universal version - I don't know that I'll really be able to test it though.
Ok! This one runs, but there are a few oddities (and one bug that will make it hard to use).
1. I'm an unusual OSX user in that my main login account is not an administrator. So when something needs admin access, I have to type in the admin's name and password. For some reason, Therapist asks for admin access every time I launch it, so I am having to enter the admin name and password each time. I can live with that, but it's unusual for a program to do that.
2. DwarfTherapist has two icons in the dock. It's not a big deal, but it's a little strange.
(http://i.imgur.com/Vc2QG.png)
3. This is the usability bug. The triangles for expanding and collapsing groups seem to be drawn in the wrong place (I've circled the problem in red here).
(http://i.imgur.com/Rwr0q.png)
Thanks for making all the effort to support OSX, by the way. This is awesome! :)
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 04, 2012, 01:19:23 pm
Could someone post memory mapping for v0.34.04 for linux?Linux support is coming back. I've had to recreate almost all of my build scripts & environment due to a system crash a while back. Also, building for each architecture/distribution takes a good chunk of time, so I'm trying to automate the process.
In kionmaru's version dwarves second names are displayed as Unknownunknown.
And why memory mappings for linux version are updated much less often than for windows? Latest mappings for linux is for 0.31.25!
Thanks in advance.
Post by: fredmaehn on March 04, 2012, 03:01:51 pm
I think I was making this harder than it needed to be. One more try
I'll work on the universal version - I don't know that I'll really be able to test it though.
You are my hero! Have no time to really test it (girlfriend is hogging the mac mini), but it runs.
Universal would be nice, but better give the Linux users their version first.
Post by: splinterz on March 04, 2012, 04:07:24 pm
I've just checked out splinterz's fix, and indeed all the attributes seem to be displaying properly. Great job there :D.
I've been thinking about ways to present the attribute data graphically better. The problem with using the same draw method as for skills is that it floods the 'attributes' pane with too much information. To be more precise, the reason it doesn't overload the labors tab is that most cells are empty or close to it, which makes picking out the important information (who is good at what skills) easy. If instead everyone had some skill in everything, you'd have the same problem as what the attributes pane is producing. To improve it I've tried a little different approach:
snip...
Instead of filling every square with something, which makes it hard to pick strengths and weaknesses out at a glance (which is what we're looking for), average attributes display nothing -only once a attribute is above or below normal do you get a graphical change, with less than average showing in red, better than average in black, the size telling you how much better or worse.
The next thing I want to do is create several more default grid views that individually only show a subset of the attributes important to a certain 'class' of jobs. For instance one for craftsdwarf related skills (creativity, kinesthetic sense, spacial sense, the relevant physical traits), with the idea being that it'd give a quick way to look over new immigrants for those well suited to train in a given skill.
I'm putting this up to download, but ultimately I'm not looking to maintain this separate from splinterz', I'm hoping he incorporates it into his, but for now here are the files and source:
Download (http://www.mediafire.com/?c7adhf3nk8zhtha)
Source (http://www.mediafire.com/?vs4637c23e5do4f)
I've also made two small changes reverting back to behaivor in older versions, average attributes have no text descriptions (this is more readable to me, text indicates it's not average), and changed it back to only display traits more than 10 points off of average, for similar reasons. By only presenting what is significantly different from the norm, I firmly believe you make the information much more accessible, instead of flooding the screen with almost every trait for every dwarf.
i completely agree with your observations. i think i've been so focused on getting attributes showing up properly that i've drifted from the real purpose of showing them: clear, practical data to make decisions. since you've given me the go ahead to incorporate this, i will most certainly be doing so, cheers!
edit: in regards to the jobs, i've tried making scripts which somewhat works, but ideally it would be nice to sort by multiple columns, however i don't think the current objects being used support it.
Post by: nenjin on March 04, 2012, 04:23:20 pm
I'd suggest using a larger color scale. It may end up looking like rainbow vomit, but it might be worth a try.
So hot = low, cool = high.
Red - Lowest
Yellow - Below Average
Green - Average
Blue - Above Average
Black - Exceptional
There might be some benefit in investigating a totally different view for attributes. Like, a histogram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Histogram_of_arrivals_per_minute.svg) would be freaking amazing. Better if we were to, say, double click on a dwarf entry and get a re-sizable window for them displaying a histogram of that dwarf's attributes. Actually, it would work smashingly for traits as well, especially if you could mouse over each entry in the histogram and get DF's text description of their trait value. While not necessary, it would preserve the flavor in the current trait view, where it gives you a number and a description.
I appreciate that's probably a fair amount of work for something as non-essential to DT as attributes and traits.
Post by: chrisadams3997 on March 04, 2012, 06:04:27 pm
Quote
i completely agree with your observations. i think i've been so focused on getting attributes showing up properly that i've drifted from the real purpose of showing them: clear, practical data to make decisions. since you've given me the go ahead to incorporate this, i will most certainly be doing so, cheers!
Sweet.
Post by: fractal on March 04, 2012, 09:43:44 pm
Bug:Labels "Construct ?? Crutch (208)" instead of "Clean Self"
As stated before-has two icons- though every mac version I've seen has this.
As opposed to other versions, does not appear to slow DF for the next unpausing after a write- much quicker.
The interface is not perfectly responsive, though still very usable.
Bug:The grid view editor works well, though the attributes (strength, agility, etc) all appear as unknown (-1).
Bug?: The filter dwarves box doesn't appear to do very much, apart from show a hanging filtered list. Expected behavior would be to highlight the selected dwarf.
EDIT: It only fails to do things if the "Don't show children/babies filter" is applied
It appears very stable, having run continuously for over 8 hours (~220 dwarves) with no loss of function.
I'll continue 'testing' and will report back anything else relevant.
Thanks for making all the effort to support OSX, by the way. This is awesome! :)I'll second that!
Very impressive, no serious bugs found, a great tool to use!
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 04, 2012, 11:07:15 pm
Hi, I'm testing the latest posted mac version, from this thread. (0.6.12b03). Some observations:Thanks very much for the report, glad to hear that it's at least workable.
Bug:Labels "Construct ?? Crutch (208)" instead of "Clean Self"
As stated before-has two icons- though every mac version I've seen has this.
As opposed to other versions, does not appear to slow DF for the next unpausing after a write- much quicker.
The interface is not perfectly responsive, though still very usable.
Bug:The grid view editor works well, though the attributes (strength, agility, etc) all appear as unknown (-1).
Bug?: The filter dwarves box doesn't appear to do very much, apart from show a hanging filtered list. Expected behavior would be to highlight the selected dwarf.
It appears very stable, having run continuously for over 8 hours (~220 dwarves) with no loss of function.
I'll continue 'testing' and will report back anything else relevant.Thanks for making all the effort to support OSX, by the way. This is awesome! :)I'll second that!
Very impressive, no serious bugs found, a great tool to use!
Also, linux support (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/LinuxVersion) should be back. I'll for sure try to keep packages up to date for the latest Ubuntu release & LTS release. I'll look into adding debian again at some point as well.
The mac mini is definitely being put to good use - I have automated builds setup for OSX & linux now:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Current plan is:
- Slight hiatus
- Bugfix release
- Feature releases
Post by: ClubFoot on March 04, 2012, 11:33:08 pm
1. I'm an unusual OSX user in that my main login account is not an administrator. So when something needs admin access, I have to type in the admin's name and password. For some reason, Therapist asks for admin access every time I launch it, so I am having to enter the admin name and password each time. I can live with that, but it's unusual for a program to do that.
I expect there's no getting around that. Consider what DT does - it reads, then modifies, the working memory of _some other program_. That's generally a highly questionable thing for an application to do. OSX notices this, and insists on getting admin access for DT so it knows you know enough about the system you're on to allow it to do that. Honestly, it's good behavior on the part of an OS.
Post by: ClubFoot on March 05, 2012, 12:30:14 am
I think I was making this harder than it needed to be. One more try -
Dwarf Therapist OSX 0.6.12b03 (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b03.dmg)
I'll work on the universal version - I don't know that I'll really be able to test it though.
It appears that profession changes are not working. The existing professions of dwarves are correctly displayed. Enabling/disabling labors either singly or by selecting a 'profession' toggles the labors correctly. The profession names are not updated, however,
Post by: benloran on March 05, 2012, 12:56:46 am
I expect there's no getting around that. Consider what DT does - it reads, then modifies, the working memory of _some other program_. That's generally a highly questionable thing for an application to do. OSX notices this, and insists on getting admin access for DT so it knows you know enough about the system you're on to allow it to do that. Honestly, it's good behavior on the part of an OS.
That's an excellent point, and I hadn't really thought about it before, but it makes perfect sense.
Post by: splinterz on March 05, 2012, 07:32:41 am
I just wanted to second chrisadam3997's observations. After using the newest attribute enabled DT, like was said, the fact everyone has some sort of attribute makes the display used much less useful. With chrisadam3997's color inclusions, it's about 25% more readable immediately.
I'd suggest using a larger color scale. It may end up looking like rainbow vomit, but it might be worth a try.
So hot = low, cool = high.
Red - Lowest
Yellow - Below Average
Green - Average
Blue - Above Average
Black - Exceptional
There might be some benefit in investigating a totally different view for attributes. Like, a histogram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Histogram_of_arrivals_per_minute.svg) would be freaking amazing. Better if we were to, say, double click on a dwarf entry and get a re-sizable window for them displaying a histogram of that dwarf's attributes. Actually, it would work smashingly for traits as well, especially if you could mouse over each entry in the histogram and get DF's text description of their trait value. While not necessary, it would preserve the flavor in the current trait view, where it gives you a number and a description.
I appreciate that's probably a fair amount of work for something as non-essential to DT as attributes and traits.
just for fun i did this by modifying the existing fill box to fill from the bottom instead, the results were as you described...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7186/6955589843_8a81eb9c48.jpg)
raainnnnbooowwwwvommmiiittt bahahaha
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 05, 2012, 08:31:44 am
Yeah, that's an outstanding issue with linux as well. Basically it has to do with no memory being allocated where therapist can stick the nickname / custom profession name. I'm still looking into options for this, but it will probably (unfortunately) involve code injection or something to that effect.I think I was making this harder than it needed to be. One more try -
Dwarf Therapist OSX 0.6.12b03 (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b03.dmg)
I'll work on the universal version - I don't know that I'll really be able to test it though.
It appears that profession changes are not working. The existing professions of dwarves are correctly displayed. Enabling/disabling labors either singly or by selecting a 'profession' toggles the labors correctly. The profession names are not updated, however,
Post by: ag on March 05, 2012, 08:54:24 am
Yeah, that's an outstanding issue with linux as well. Basically it has to do with no memory being allocated where therapist can stick the nickname / custom profession name. I'm still looking into options for this, but it will probably (unfortunately) involve code injection or something to that effect.
I've been running on linux with the patches I posted here for months without any problems:
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=175 (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=175)
Yes, it is code injection, but you only need to inject 3 bytes to do a controlled mmap syscall. Of course, this is completely linux-specific.
Post by: nenjin on March 05, 2012, 12:24:20 pm
I just wanted to second chrisadam3997's observations. After using the newest attribute enabled DT, like was said, the fact everyone has some sort of attribute makes the display used much less useful. With chrisadam3997's color inclusions, it's about 25% more readable immediately.
I'd suggest using a larger color scale. It may end up looking like rainbow vomit, but it might be worth a try.
So hot = low, cool = high.
Red - Lowest
Yellow - Below Average
Green - Average
Blue - Above Average
Black - Exceptional
There might be some benefit in investigating a totally different view for attributes. Like, a histogram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Histogram_of_arrivals_per_minute.svg) would be freaking amazing. Better if we were to, say, double click on a dwarf entry and get a re-sizable window for them displaying a histogram of that dwarf's attributes. Actually, it would work smashingly for traits as well, especially if you could mouse over each entry in the histogram and get DF's text description of their trait value. While not necessary, it would preserve the flavor in the current trait view, where it gives you a number and a description.
I appreciate that's probably a fair amount of work for something as non-essential to DT as attributes and traits.
just for fun i did this by modifying the existing fill box to fill from the bottom instead, the results were as you described...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7186/6955589843_8a81eb9c48.jpg)
raainnnnbooowwwwvommmiiittt bahahaha
Yeah, that doesn't look good at all :P I don't think a histo view would work on that page (as a single page dedicated to one dwarf, it would be readable.)
However trying colors with the symbol sizes *might* be readable.
Post by: anqxyr on March 05, 2012, 02:08:49 pm
- For some reason, launching Therapist with cd /path/; sudo ./DwarfTherapist works, while sudo /path/DwarfTherapist doesn't
- Changing dwarf's professions from Therapist doesn't work. Change is completed without errors, but profession remains the same. Reading professions from DF works correctly.
But those are more an annoyance than real problem. Thanks again for a great program.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 05, 2012, 02:15:07 pm
You have my unmeasurable gratitude for a linux version. Some feedback:Yeah, DT is pretty picky about its path, kind of an annoyance. As far as writing profession names, you could try merging in Ag's patch that he mentions above and seeing if it works. I'll be doing the same at some point, and hopefully incorporating it back into the main release.(Therapist version is 0.6.12, build from source; Linux version is Kubuntu 11.10)
- For some reason, launching Therapist with cd /path/; sudo ./DwarfTherapist works, while sudo /path/DwarfTherapist doesn't
- Changing dwarf's professions from Therapist doesn't work. Change is completed without errors, but profession remains the same. Reading professions from DF works correctly.
But those are more an annoyance than real problem. Thanks again for a great program.
With Kubuntu you might be able to just pull the package from the repository, but I'm not sure - I'll have to fire up another VM and give it a shot.
Post by: robertheinrich on March 05, 2012, 02:18:49 pm
Now what happened in-game was quite a lot... I put them through danger room training which made all of them legendary hammerlords quite soon. And after a few sieges some (but not all) of them got additional titles. So I´m not sure if it´s DF which clears the nicknames after promotion (recruit -> hammerdwarf -> hammerlord) or the additional title after lots of kills or whatever. Just wanted to mention that it happened and might be a thing worth looking into.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 05, 2012, 02:39:03 pm
Post by: Darmarius on March 05, 2012, 02:55:01 pm
For some reason, launching Therapist with cd /path/; sudo ./DwarfTherapist works, while sudo /path/DwarfTherapist doesn't[/li][/list]
When DT launch, it tries to access an etc folder under your current path, not under where the binary is. There's probably a simple fix to this... or you could create a simple shell script that ensure that you are in the proper directory when you launch DT, like so:
Code: [Select]
#!/bin/sh
DIR=`dirname $0`
cd "$DIR"
PWDP=`pwd -P`
cd "$PWDP"
sudo ./DwarfTherapist
put that in the DT executable folder and call that script instead and everything should be fine.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 06, 2012, 08:57:32 am
I'll post layouts this afternoon.
Post by: Rhenaya on March 06, 2012, 11:35:13 am
Post by: splinterz on March 06, 2012, 04:47:32 pm
- modified the attributes as per chrisadams3997 observations (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3062116#msg3062116) and they should work with all drawing types. to summarize:
- values below average are red, and the farther below the larger they'll be (ie very good = black diamond, very bad = red diamond)
- average values are no longer drawn to keep things clean
- values range from -15 to 15, 0 being the average to keep the drawing consistent and obvious when using the numeric display
- i've noticed a lot of people don't appreciate hunting vampires so i've added an option to highlight them under the general options. this will also add a description of what exactly they're cursed with at the bottom of the tooltip. note this will work for all curses.
- hostile cursed dwarves on the map are excluded now (looking at you profane husks...)
- added the preliminary files for 34.05 (incomplete)
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?9f19bi0s11b4kx7)
source (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
did you think for the averageness about that modded civs may have other averages?yes, but the problem is the mean values in the raw files don't create the same group ranges as the game does. at least as far as i can tell, i've really just started digging into this a few weeks ago so i don't know all the intricate workings yet. :)
Post by: Kordanor on March 06, 2012, 06:38:44 pm
Should this version work with 34.05? Cause it doesnt seem to find my running df :(
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 06, 2012, 06:53:18 pm
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
There might be a slight issue with OSX however, so I may have to post a new beta version for that.
Direct Download Links:
- Windows (Graphics) v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.05_graphics.ini)
- Windows (Legacy) v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.05_legacy.ini)
- Linux v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.05.ini)
- Mac OSX v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.05.ini)
Post by: splinterz on March 06, 2012, 07:24:34 pm
@Splinterzyeah i think i buggered up the layout files.. i've uploaded it again give it another go
Should this version work with 34.05? Cause it doesnt seem to find my running df :(
Post by: Girlinhat on March 06, 2012, 07:32:12 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 06, 2012, 07:38:39 pm
Splinterz, does your version allow you to give nicknames to multiple dwarves at once? I'm using a slightly under-valued version now because someone patched it to allow multi-naming. When I get migrant waves of 30 I pretty much gotta have that.
yes, that was one of the previous modifications i made to the branch
Post by: Linkeron on March 06, 2012, 07:38:56 pm
Derp'd TWICE in one day due to this update, jeebus...
Post by: rooth on March 06, 2012, 07:51:08 pm
edit. didnt see the fix, tried it and it seems to work now, thanks!
Post by: splinterz on March 06, 2012, 08:01:13 pm
I used splinterz's upload which worked up to my first migrant wave, now it's stuck on ''loading squads'' or something. Any solution? and what am i supposed to do with the post of dwarfengineer?great! i've been waiting for confirmation so i can sleep! ;D
edit. didnt see the fix, tried it and it seems to work now, thanks!
Post by: Lysabild on March 06, 2012, 08:52:57 pm
Post by: rooth on March 06, 2012, 09:17:06 pm
Post by: Shawarma on March 06, 2012, 09:58:04 pm
Is there a reason Splinterz and DwarfEngineer isn't working together atm? Seems silly to be running two different versions.
I believe the word you are looking for is collaberabating.
Post by: schismatise on March 06, 2012, 11:20:20 pm
Is there a reason Splinterz and DwarfEngineer isn't working together atm? Seems silly to be running two different versions.
Is there a reason people read the last page of an 88 page thread and assume they know everything about it?
AHH DAMNIT sorry couldn't help myself :P
But yeah, there's actually a few people helping out, each making slightly different changes in slightly different versions. At the end of the day, it is all progress towards one super-version, and we should be appreciative of everyone involved in the collaborative effort :)
Post by: Telekinesis on March 07, 2012, 01:23:01 am
Post by: janglur on March 07, 2012, 01:36:40 am
Is this the case? Cuz it's be AWWESOME to be able to just spot the vamps without guesswork. Then they can become functional citizens of my fortress!
Post by: schismatise on March 07, 2012, 01:52:10 am
I was told there was a way to filter dwarves and vampires to spot them with therapist, other than the name thing?
Is this the case? Cuz it's be AWWESOME to be able to just spot the vamps without guesswork. Then they can become functional citizens of my fortress!
See splinterz post at the top of
Post by: fluffhead on March 07, 2012, 10:18:49 am
Post by: rooth on March 07, 2012, 10:27:56 am
Post by: Andir on March 07, 2012, 10:36:48 am
If you guys were here we'd all grab you in a group and throw you up and down in the air.It must be early... I read this as:
If you guys were here we'd all grab you in a group and throw up on you in the air.
Post by: Sutremaine on March 07, 2012, 10:58:00 am
Post by: thistleknot on March 07, 2012, 11:15:48 am
I was told there was a way to filter dwarves and vampires to spot them with therapist, other than the name thing?
Is this the case? Cuz it's be AWWESOME to be able to just spot the vamps without guesswork. Then they can become functional citizens of my fortress!
See splinterz post at the top of this page (88).
It's in the options, there's a checkbox to show curses.
Post by: thistleknot on March 07, 2012, 11:20:30 am
The next thing I want to do is create several more default grid views that individually only show a subset of the attributes important to a certain 'class' of jobs. For instance one for craftsdwarf related skills (creativity, kinesthetic sense, spacial sense, the relevant physical traits), with the idea being that it'd give a quick way to look over new immigrants for those well suited to train in a given skill.
I'm not sure if you know or not (I think you must), but Dwarven Guidance Counselor might have all the formula's you need (albeit, would have to put in the d.function() calls) for these views, Dwarven Guidance Counselor is a html or java page, so all the code should be viewable.
Post by: thistleknot on March 07, 2012, 01:29:41 pm
update:
yes they are, just some of the nobles are not.
Post by: robertheinrich on March 07, 2012, 02:58:34 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 07, 2012, 03:21:34 pm
I downloaded Splinterz´ version and it shows all my dwarves with the name "unknown" (34.04 fortress). That way it´s not really usable.
hrmm sounds like i may have packaged the wrong ini files. you can patch the files yourself with the information in this thread, but i'll check it out and re-upload if necessary in a bit
Post by: robertheinrich on March 07, 2012, 03:45:25 pm
I downloaded Splinterz´ version and it shows all my dwarves with the name "unknown" (34.04 fortress). That way it´s not really usable.
hrmm sounds like i may have packaged the wrong ini files. you can patch the files yourself with the information in this thread, but i'll check it out and re-upload if necessary in a bit
Don´t worry too much about that. I just wanted to take a fast look if any of my citizens is a vampire, since your version supports that. Turned out that none of them is, and I reverted to the "official" version since yours has this "unknown" thingy.
Post by: splinterz on March 07, 2012, 04:26:47 pm
I downloaded Splinterz´ version and it shows all my dwarves with the name "unknown" (34.04 fortress). That way it´s not really usable.
hrmm sounds like i may have packaged the wrong ini files. you can patch the files yourself with the information in this thread, but i'll check it out and re-upload if necessary in a bit
Don´t worry too much about that. I just wanted to take a fast look if any of my citizens is a vampire, since your version supports that. Turned out that none of them is, and I reverted to the "official" version since yours has this "unknown" thingy.
i'd rather have it fixed anyway. it was indeed a problem with one of the ini files (i'm a noob). i've updated the old link. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3069186#msg3069186)
Post by: ClubFoot on March 07, 2012, 06:59:18 pm
v0.34.05 Layouts Posted
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
There might be a slight issue with OSX however, so I may have to post a new beta version for that.
Direct Download Links:
- Windows (Graphics) v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.05_graphics.ini)
- Windows (Legacy) v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.05_legacy.ini)
- Linux v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.05.ini)
- Mac OSX v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.05.ini)
I am, indeed, unsuccessful w/ the osx version.
Post by: thistleknot on March 07, 2012, 11:09:54 pm
Post by: Lysabild on March 08, 2012, 01:26:27 am
Nngg... can't... resist... urge.. to troll...Is there a reason Splinterz and DwarfEngineer isn't working together atm? Seems silly to be running two different versions.
Is there a reason people read the last page of an 88 page thread and assume they know everything about it?
AHH DAMNIT sorry couldn't help myself :P
But yeah, there's actually a few people helping out, each making slightly different changes in slightly different versions. At the end of the day, it is all progress towards one super-version, and we should be appreciative of everyone involved in the collaborative effort :)
Actually, I'm following the thread rather closely and have read it all, however I haven't seen the two agree about getting their stuff merged.
I just think it looks silly to have these two versions flying about when they should work together for a better piece of software all around.
I mean sure, I might sound totally unreasonable and crazy, knowing nothing about software development and coding, in which case feel free to ignore me, but don't make assumptions about what I've read or haven't when my question obviously isn't answered.
Post by: schismatise on March 08, 2012, 01:47:31 am
Actually, I'm following the thread rather closely and have read it all, however I haven't seen the two agree about getting their stuff merged.
I just think it looks silly to have these two versions flying about when they should work together for a better piece of software all around.
I mean sure, I might sound totally unreasonable and crazy, knowing nothing about software development and coding, in which case feel free to ignore me, but don't make assumptions about what I've read or haven't when my question obviously isn't answered.
Dwarf Engineer has mentioned on more than one occasion in this thread that he is considering merging changes from other versions into the official version. Originally, when 0.34 came out, it wasn't even clear if DE was around to update, and so several people with a little know how grabbed the code and started hacking away. Unfortunately, it's not always easy to coordinate multiple people with conflicting time schedules working on a single software project, so people generally muck around in their own version and then share their progress with others. Once a change is made by someone, they can share the steps they took, making it easier to add to the main version. Many hands makes light work as they say, and without the extra hands it probably would have taken DE alot longer than it did to get to the current version.
As far as the main community should be concerned, there is still just the one main version of DT, and it's been working great for me so far.
Does that answer your question?
Edit: not trying to be sarcastic / feel free to correct me if i'm wrong
Post by: DVeL on March 08, 2012, 06:22:38 am
i've uploaded another patch with the following changes:
- modified the attributes as per chrisadams3997 observations (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3062116#msg3062116) and they should work with all drawing types. to summarize:
- values below average are red, and the farther below the larger they'll be (ie very good = black diamond, very bad = red diamond)
- average values are no longer drawn to keep things clean
- values range from -15 to 15, 0 being the average to keep the drawing consistent and obvious when using the numeric display
- i've noticed a lot of people don't appreciate hunting vampires so i've added an option to highlight them under the general options. this will also add a description of what exactly they're cursed with at the bottom of the tooltip. note this will work for all curses.
- hostile cursed dwarves on the map are excluded now (looking at you profane husks...)
- added the preliminary files for 34.05 (incomplete)
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?9f19bi0s11b4kx7)
source (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
splinterz, your job is great and this vampire-hunter feature is awesome! But i have one question - why did you add in last version this "not flimsy but not tough" or "average endurance" descriptors to attributes in "dwarf detail"s screen? When average values had no comments, it was much easier to spot dwarfs weaknesses and strengths (The same reason why chrisadams3997 suggested to change the view of "attributes" panel).
And now this comments are long, bold and draw attention from what actually matters. Now i have to READ them all, instead of only the important ones =)
And the best solution, i think, would be to remove this comments from average attributes and display them just as a number (like it was in your 5 version), and give high and low attributes description in corresponding color (black or red, like diamonds).
This would make Therapist almost perfect.
But anyway, thank you for your work! =)
Post by: splinterz on March 08, 2012, 06:39:14 am
splinterz, your job is great and this vampire-hunter feature is awesome! But i have one question - why did you add in last version this "not flimsy but not tough" or "average endurance" descriptors to attributes in "dwarf detail"s screen? When average values had no comments, it was much easier to spot dwarfs weaknesses and strengths (The same reason why chrisadams3997 suggested to change the view of "attributes" panel).
And now this comments are long, bold and draw attention from what actually matters. Now i have to READ them all, instead of only the important ones =)
And the best solution, i think, would be to remove this comments from average attributes and display them just as a number (like it was in your 5 version), and give high and low attributes description in corresponding color (black or red, like diamonds).
This would make Therapist almost perfect.
But anyway, thank you for your work! =)
thanks and the descriptions on the average attributes will be removed in the next patch. i spent so much time crafting those beautiful descriptions i wanted to savor them a little while longer...or i may have forgotten to remove them.. ;) in the meantime, you can remove them yourself by editing the /etc/game_data.ini file and changing the offending descriptions to whatever you'd like.
Post by: DVeL on March 08, 2012, 08:53:23 am
splinterz, your job is great and this vampire-hunter feature is awesome! But i have one question - why did you add in last version this "not flimsy but not tough" or "average endurance" descriptors to attributes in "dwarf detail"s screen? When average values had no comments, it was much easier to spot dwarfs weaknesses and strengths (The same reason why chrisadams3997 suggested to change the view of "attributes" panel).
And now this comments are long, bold and draw attention from what actually matters. Now i have to READ them all, instead of only the important ones =)
And the best solution, i think, would be to remove this comments from average attributes and display them just as a number (like it was in your 5 version), and give high and low attributes description in corresponding color (black or red, like diamonds).
This would make Therapist almost perfect.
But anyway, thank you for your work! =)
thanks and the descriptions on the average attributes will be removed in the next patch. i spent so much time crafting those beautiful descriptions i wanted to savor them a little while longer...or i may have forgotten to remove them.. ;) in the meantime, you can remove them yourself by editing the /etc/game_data.ini file and changing the offending descriptions to whatever you'd like.
Yeaah!! I was almost torn apart between vamp-detector and preferable design =)
You are a life-saver =)
Post by: thistleknot on March 08, 2012, 10:08:39 am
Update:
I think the poster ron 89 doesn't support attributes
Post by: Yaotzin on March 08, 2012, 11:32:06 am
Post by: splinterz on March 08, 2012, 02:28:25 pm
anyone know why the post on page 89 with an update for 34.05 is showing up in my windows df as -1 and 9000+ for attributes?
Update:
I think the poster ron 89 doesn't support attributes
if you used the posted layouts from DwarfEngineer with the attribute build, you'll probably run into issues. either re-download or copy/paste from the source's ini files.
Could you provide more options in terms of how DT names custom professions? That is, ATM it simply gives everyone the profession name that you called your custom profession. I'd like to be able to not change any of their name stuff and merely change the labours, or change their nickname instead (I like using nicknames as it makes finding them easier), that sort of thing.
so you'd like to have the option when applying custom professions to copy the custom name to the nickname, to the profession nickname, or not at all? i'm not sure how useful this would be since you can already accomplish it by setting the profession, and then changing the profession name / nickname, albeit it's a few more steps. maybe a few more people will chime in on whether this would be practical feature to add.
Post by: thistleknot on March 08, 2012, 02:42:52 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 08, 2012, 06:31:55 pm
I am, indeed, unsuccessful w/ the osx version.
Here's a new OSX beta version. Should fix the double icon issue, and the automatic download issue.
Dwarf Therapist OSX Beta (64-bit) v0.6.12b04 (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b04.dmg)
Post by: janglur on March 08, 2012, 08:20:33 pm
Post by: thistleknot on March 08, 2012, 08:21:38 pm
v0.34.05 Layouts Posted
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
There might be a slight issue with OSX however, so I may have to post a new beta version for that.
Direct Download Links:
- Windows (Graphics) v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.05_graphics.ini)
- Windows (Legacy) v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.05_legacy.ini)
- Linux v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.05.ini)
- Mac OSX v0.34.05 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.05.ini)
Using these layouts (dwarf engineer's) in 34.05 for windows I get this issue, I'm not going to go to 34.05 until I can get Dwarf Therapist working along with dfhack and phoebus. I have 2 out of 3, but I have yet to get dwarf therapist to show attributes properly.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: schismatise on March 08, 2012, 08:41:24 pm
Using these layouts (dwarf engineer's)
-snip-
I have yet to get dwarf therapist to show attributes properly.
^ There's your problem.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3069186#msg3069186 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3069186#msg3069186)
^ There's your solution.
Hope that helps.
Post by: thistleknot on March 08, 2012, 09:04:15 pm
[Using these layouts (dwarf engineer's)
-snip-
I have yet to get dwarf therapist to show attributes properly.
^ There's your problem.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3069186#msg3069186 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3069186#msg3069186)
^ There's your solution.
Hope that helps.
I'm a little confused. I'm not sure which one is msg3069186. The layouts that Dwarf Engineer posted are the ones I used, that's why I quoted him when I posted the picture. Unless your talking about using splinterz.
Well. I already had splinterz downloaded. but for some reason, the new layouts they posted didn't work with dwarf engineer's release of dt. so I re-downloaded splinterz, extracted it, and used the layout it already had (I don't know why I was replacing the layout in the first place, I guess I forgot it already had 34.05). Anyways, using the one posted in splinterz, it's up and working right.
So thank you.
Update:
Nevermind. I don't know why people were posting 34.05 ini's that were not compatible with SPLINTERZ dwarf therapist link. Unless there's a reason for it.
Post by: thistleknot on March 08, 2012, 10:29:03 pm
linguistics = memory
focus = creativity
empathy = willpower
kinesthetic sense = patience
linguistic ability = memory
memory = linguistic ability
musicality = spacial sense
patience = musicalithy
social awareness = kinesthetic sense
spatial sense = empathy
willpower = social awareness
Update
As a side note, it would be nice to be able to create our own custom columns. I was hoping to create a close combat grid view based on DGC, which I was able to do. I added recuperation as well as disease susceptibility. But what would be cool is if I could create my own variable that has the average of all those stats. The closest thing I can do is create a script, but I have to set a threshold. I can see what the averages are (not without DGC).
Update 2
Here's a weighted script I was working on
(((d.strength()*1.2)+(d.agility()*1.2)+(d.toughness()*1.3)+(d.willpower()*.7)+(d.spatial_sense()*1.1)+(d.kinesthetic_sense()*.9)+(d.recuperation()*.8)+(d.disease_resistance()*.8))/8)>1300
note: those smiley's are x.8
Post by: schismatise on March 08, 2012, 11:36:27 pm
-snip-
Various members of the community, such as splinterz, have compiled their own "unofficial" versions of DT, seperate to the main release by Dwarf Engineer. I doubt layouts from one version are going to work with other versions. Bear in mind that any versions of DT that aren't released by Dwarf Engineer are potentially more likely to contain broken or incomplete features, and are not necessarily going to be supported or updated on any kind of regular basis. Personally i would suggest just waiting until the main version incorporates the changes of other versions, but if you're impatient then feel free to muck around with things, and i'm sure splinterz, and others, are open to feedback on their particular changes/versions.
Post by: thistleknot on March 09, 2012, 12:13:34 am
-snip-
Various members of the community, such as splinterz, have compiled their own "unofficial" versions of DT, seperate to the main release by Dwarf Engineer. I doubt layouts from one version are going to work with other versions. Bear in mind that any versions of DT that aren't released by Dwarf Engineer are potentially more likely to contain broken or incomplete features, and are not necessarily going to be supported or updated on any kind of regular basis. Personally i would suggest just waiting until the main version incorporates the changes of other versions, but if you're impatient then feel free to muck around with things, and i'm sure splinterz, and others, are open to feedback on their particular changes/versions.
don't get me wrong, I love it. I'll pm splinterz.
Post by: Yaotzin on March 09, 2012, 04:39:39 am
so you'd like to have the option when applying custom professions to copy the custom name to the nickname, to the profession nickname, or not at all?Right. I like to use nicknames instead of profession names as it helps me sort through to find who I want easier. I guess since the nicknames are all lined up instead of appearing after an arbitrary length middle name..
I also like to see, say, that my hauler has become a legendary bone carver, maybe I'll change him to that. I don't like hiding their profession with custom names.
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i'm not sure how useful this would be since you can already accomplish it by setting the profession, and then changing the profession name / nickname, albeit it's a few more steps. maybe a few more people will chime in on whether this would be practical feature to add.Well changing the profession name is easy, but AFAIK there's no way to change the nickname part. I have to manually go thru every dwarf and remove his profession name (DT won't accept a custom profession with no name), then change his nickname to Hauler or whatever. Needless to say, painful.
I only ask because I figured it would be quite easy to do?
ETA: In fact, while fiddling with this, I found a bug. If you try to set a custom profession to no name, it'll moan about not being able to do so, and then the profession will "disappear". It'll still be listed on the side, but you can't edit it, and it appears blank if you try to change a dorf to it. A DT restart fixes it though.
Post by: splinterz on March 09, 2012, 05:48:14 am
What does it look like when it highlights a vamp? 'Cuz I have that enabled, and 126 dorfs, and noone's highlighted....
you need to be running my unofficial branched build (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/), and it will highlight cursed dwarves with a purple background once you've turned on the feature in the general options.
There's a problem with dwarf therapist from splinterz. When I go to grid views and try to create some custom views. I choose willpower for example, and it shows up as social awareness, it's workable, but a pain. There apparently mislabeled in grid views.
-snip-
Update
As a side note, it would be nice to be able to create our own custom columns. I was hoping to create a close combat grid view based on DGC, which I was able to do. I added recuperation as well as disease susceptibility. But what would be cool is if I could create my own variable that has the average of all those stats. The closest thing I can do is create a script, but I have to set a threshold. I can see what the averages are (not without DGC).
Update 2
Here's a weighted script I was working on
(((d.strength()*1.2)+(d.agility()*1.2)+(d.toughness()*1.3)+(d.willpower()*.7)+(d.spatial_sense()*1.1)+(d.kinesthetic_sense()*.9)+(d.recuperation()*.8)+(d.disease_resistance()*.8))/8)>1300
note: those smiley's are x.8
the only way i was able to reproduce your attribute column issue was to use an old custom view, with the new build of my branched version. i just tried adding a new attribute view and it's working properly in 34.04 and 34.05. if you've just been copying over the layout files and not using the new executable you might have this issue as at one point between 34.01 and 34.05 the ordering of the mental attributes changed.
in regards to jobs i've been toying with a few ideas to rank dwarves by utilizing the script engine to evaluate user defined expressions similar to what you've shown above, so we'll see...
Post by: luppolo on March 09, 2012, 06:35:12 am
Post by: Don57 on March 09, 2012, 06:48:59 am
please put in main the ability to nickname more dwarves at once like in splinters' (i think it's his one that allows it)
OMG, YES!
Post by: thistleknot on March 09, 2012, 09:45:45 am
There's a problem with dwarf therapist from splinterz. When I go to grid views and try to create some custom views. I choose willpower for example, and it shows up as social awareness, it's workable, but a pain. There apparently mislabeled in grid views.
-snip-
Update
As a side note, it would be nice to be able to create our own custom columns. I was hoping to create a close combat grid view based on DGC, which I was able to do. I added recuperation as well as disease susceptibility. But what would be cool is if I could create my own variable that has the average of all those stats. The closest thing I can do is create a script, but I have to set a threshold. I can see what the averages are (not without DGC).
Update 2
Here's a weighted script I was working on
(((d.strength()*1.2)+(d.agility()*1.2)+(d.toughness()*1.3)+(d.willpower()*.7)+(d.spatial_sense()*1.1)+(d.kinesthetic_sense()*.9)+(d.recuperation()*.8)+(d.disease_resistance()*.8))/8)>1300
note: those smiley's are x.8
the only way i was able to reproduce your attribute column issue was to use an old custom view, with the new build of my branched version. i just tried adding a new attribute view and it's working properly in 34.04 and 34.05. if you've just been copying over the layout files and not using the new executable you might have this issue as at one point between 34.01 and 34.05 the ordering of the mental attributes changed.
in regards to jobs i've been toying with a few ideas to rank dwarves by utilizing the script engine to evaluate user defined expressions similar to what you've shown above, so we'll see...
cool, AnnanFay of Dwarven Guidance Counselor is going to get with you on scripting for dwarf therapist, cuz she/he's working on professions as well.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83112.msg2509024#msg2509024
By the way, I didn't realize that some attributes had different averages, so I need to adjust the weights so they all come out to be the same number before I apply another weight to give some more value.
About Grid Views: Originally, I was having problems getting attributes to show values correctly UNTIL I re downloaded your splinterz package and used that solely. Now that is fixed, but the Grid layouts are having issues when choosing attributes. No changes to layout ini's, just used what came with the default.
Update to my former formula
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Average of all attribute dwarf middle values is 1380.736842
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Another question.
Why is it when I create a script, and I go to edit scripts. Nothing shows up?
Update 3:
The formula should be something like this...
for each attribute:
((Attribute Value x Factor) - 1380.7368421053) x Weight)
This gives you a weighted distance from the attribute center (i.e. center is the dwarf average for that attribute).
Averaging all these values gives you a weighted average from the center.
Formula: ((Attribute Value x Factor) - 1380) x Weight)
Examples:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Here's the new formula:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: splinterz on March 09, 2012, 01:08:22 pm
the way i have it setup is you want a formula for the role to generate a rating/value for a dwarf. even better if it's a percentage between 0 and 100 and then i can ensure all the drawing types will also work.
Spoiler: a simple (probably flawed) example (click to show/hide)
Post by: thistleknot on March 09, 2012, 01:17:43 pm
well i've got a working prototype with a method to use scripts to create a 'role' column. however thistleknot i've tried out your formula (what role is this exactly supposed to fill?) and i'm getting mostly negative numbers (4/113 dwarves have positive results).
the way i have it setup is you want a formula for the role to generate a rating/value for a dwarf. even better if it's a percentage between 0 and 100 and then i can ensure all the drawing types will also work.Spoiler: a simple (probably flawed) example (click to show/hide)
the role I was going for was close combat dwarf.
Original close combat uses
strength, agility, toughness, willpower, spatial_sense, kinesthetic_sense I believe
I added
endurance, recuperation, disease_resistance, focus
If your getting mostly - numbers then I'm not sure what's going on (maybe one of the d.attributes() isn't typed in correctly, so it's missing an attribute that's reducing the average by 1 attribute?). Maybe I have the center off. What formula did you use? The one I posted today? Because the old formula had the center's off. Maybe I have the center's off. Maybe my whole formula is whacked. I haven't had a chance to try it yet. I would have to spot check it when I get home.
One could do %'s with the formula, but standard deviations would have to be brought in. And the %'s would only be in below threshold or above threshold. And how many standard deviations away I guess. However, I don't have the standard deviation on dwarven attributes. I'm not sure what min/max values are.
Also, the formula I'm using is similar to how the changes were incorporated for attributes to display the attribute in red or black for below/above center. Same conceptual thinking, so I think players are not going to have an issue with it if it were a column listed as "close combat" dwarf.
Some people might not like my weights tho. So a simple non weighted one might be desired. Some people might also not like my additional attributes I've included ontop of what DGC used to use. I'm hoping to be able to create this in dfhack somehow.
Reference for why I did what I did:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: DVeL on March 09, 2012, 01:51:40 pm
There is one very important military parameter - dwarf size. It determines, if he can use some heavy weapons, like pike, halberd or maul, if he can carry battle axe and a shield simultaniously... And also influences the combat a lot.
It has two sub-attributes, heigth and width, which can be found in description of dwarf appearance (like "tall and muscular" or "short and scrawny"). So, i think, it would be quiet easy to add its numeric value to dwarf therapist. Or at least just add this "short and scrawny" in "Dwarf details".
And what would be totally godlike, is to add a new "weapon-wielding" table, with "weapon types" (there is not so much of them) in columns. And fill it with red diamond, if dwarf can`t wield this weapon, small black - if he can wield two-handed and big black - if he can carry in one hand. This table is available on wiki
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Weapon (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Weapon)
May be it would be a little overloaded with black diamonds, because dwarfs can carry most of the weapons, but what is important - it will allow military fans like myself to create "SWAT" elite teams of grenadiers =)
And also answer some forum topics like "why dwarf doesn`t equip shield? What am i doing wrong??" =)
With best hopes... and sincerely grateful for all the work already done :)
Post by: Yaotzin on March 09, 2012, 02:35:41 pm
Post by: thistleknot on March 09, 2012, 03:08:12 pm
well i've got a working prototype with a method to use scripts to create a 'role' column. however thistleknot i've tried out your formula (what role is this exactly supposed to fill?) and i'm getting mostly negative numbers (4/113 dwarves have positive results).
the way i have it setup is you want a formula for the role to generate a rating/value for a dwarf. even better if it's a percentage between 0 and 100 and then i can ensure all the drawing types will also work.Spoiler: a simple (probably flawed) example (click to show/hide)
I fixed the formula
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
by the way, none of my dwarfs fit the bill, I had to filter it for over -135 lol! But I did verify all those stats are properly factored. So they are correctly measured away from the center value dwarves have for said attribute.
The problem was I divided the numbers in the wrong way. So I changed the positions, and everything works now.
Update: I modified it for over -67. Those will be your best dwarves. Apparently these stats are geared to be lower for some reason. Out of 254 dwarves, none were above 0.
Post by: splinterz on March 09, 2012, 03:21:51 pm
well i've got a working prototype with a method to use scripts to create a 'role' column. however thistleknot i've tried out your formula (what role is this exactly supposed to fill?) and i'm getting mostly negative numbers (4/113 dwarves have positive results).
the way i have it setup is you want a formula for the role to generate a rating/value for a dwarf. even better if it's a percentage between 0 and 100 and then i can ensure all the drawing types will also work.Spoiler: a simple (probably flawed) example (click to show/hide)
I fixed the formulaSpoiler (click to show/hide)
by the way, none of my dwarfs fit the bill, I had to filter it for over -135 lol! But I did verify all those stats are properly factored. So they are correctly measured away from the center value dwarves have for said attribute.
The problem was I divided the numbers in the wrong way. So I changed the positions, and everything works now.
i've got similar results (i think?) all negative values. so the way the code is setup, it's pretty useless because there's no values shown/drawn for any of them :-\ the values are also quite large (-550) for some of them. again, it would be really nice to have formulas for roles which result similar to the dgc (0-100%)
Post by: thistleknot on March 09, 2012, 03:25:57 pm
Example:
(((d.strength()*0.920491228)-1380.736842)*1.2)>0
then
(((d.strength()*0.920491228)-1380.736842)*1.2)<0
After I verified them all, I then did another check by seeing if anyone was above 0 for my comprehensive formula. Nobody was! Which tells me that the average is below 0 with all these values.
Not too big a deal. Either the center values reported in attributes for DF are incorrect, or for whatever reason they just average lower.
so I changed the value from >135 to >-67
Try that and tell me what you think.
Update:
Come to think of it, some stats were listing almost no dwarves at > 0 when I was just comparing that stat (yet they were still black, and <0 they were all red). Give me a second, and I'll show you which ones are the culprits, they could possibly be the ones that don't have their dwarven center's on center.
Well, I guess DT doesn't tell you how many dwarfs fit a filter, so I can't "count" them out of 266 dwarves.
But some of the attributes have their center's off
Willpower has more below average than above
same with
Spatial Sense
Focus
Those are probably why so few are showing up, and none at all when > 0 using my formula.
Update 3:
I found it. There's gaps in the chart on attributes that I wasn't accounting for. I have my numbers off!
Post by: splinterz on March 09, 2012, 03:41:49 pm
I don't understand. -550? That's pretty low. I verified the values by individually comparing each stat block in my formula to >0 and <0, and verified that all dwarves either came up all black for that stat, or all red.
Example:
(((d.strength()*0.920491228)-1380.736842)*1.2)>0
then
(((d.strength()*0.920491228)-1380.736842)*1.2)<0
After I verified them all, I then did another check by seeing if anyone was above 0 for my comprehensive formula. Nobody was! Which tells me that the average is below 0 with all these values.
Not too big a deal. Either the center values reported in attributes for DF are incorrect, or for whatever reason they just average lower.
so I changed the value from >135 to >-67
Try that and tell me what you think.
i think you're misunderstanding me, i'm not filtering values at all i'm just plugging in the formula and displaying the results. it works, all the values are there but having -550 for the least compatible dwarf doesn't display as well as 0 or 1%. it works out even better for all the drawing methods because we can then divide the raw results to get values between 0 and 20. see what i mean?
Post by: thistleknot on March 09, 2012, 03:52:10 pm
How are you going to do %'s if 0 is the middle? 0 = 50%? That might work. I'm not a percent guy myself, I saw the histogram thing in the thread, but I like the way it is right now, big squares. Mainly because % might be confusing. % for racial max? Or game max? A dwarf prolly can never hit 5000 Strength, prolly reserved for golem's. But what if someone runesmith's it? Then display 100%+?
Here's the corrected formula, I just verified it works properly (thank god I'm home).
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This formula works for above or below average, but...it doesn't account for the scale that is above average.
For example, a dwarf may have a higher ceiling range (higher upper limit, say average is 1000, max is 3000, but minimum is 0). The only way to account for this, is to factor the value when it's above 0, in the prior example, prolly a factor of x2 when the value is above 0. Confusing, but for the basics, it works. However, I do not know dwarf max's. The problem gets worse when you have multiple attributes with different ranges.
It is possible to do %'s if Dwarf Therapist supports IF/THEN statements, and it would be even better if it supported variables (I'm not sure if it does).
Then we could compare if the attribute was above the average, or below the average. And then scale accordingly to %.
And do the same for each stat.
Then average all the %'s
Post by: splinterz on March 09, 2012, 04:34:56 pm
Well I don't know how your going to get % when you comparing the value based off the middle.
I was curious as to how you were getting the results too (you were running Dwarf numbers through the formula, how were you doing that? By hand?). DT doesn't give the results for each dwarf, but now you should see that the formula should give you a below or above threshold.
How are you going to do %'s if 0 is the middle? 0 = 50%? That might work. I'm not a percent guy myself, I saw the histogram thing in the thread, but I like the way it is right now, big squares. Mainly because % might be confusing. % for racial max? Or game max? A dwarf prolly can never hit 5000 Strength, prolly reserved for golem's. But what if someone runesmith's it? Then display 100%+?
Here's the corrected formula, I just verified it works properly (thank god I'm home).Spoiler (click to show/hide)
One last note. This formula works for above or below average, but...
it doesn't account for the scale that is above average.
For example, a dwarf may have a higher ceiling range (higher upper limit, say average is 1000, max is 3000, but minimum is 0). The only way to account for this, is to factor the value when it's above 0, in the prior example, prolly a factor of x2 when the value is above 0. Confusing, but for the basics, it works. However, I do not know dwarf max's.
If dwarf max's were known, then %'s could be done.
all i'm trying to do is determine if we can get the role formulas to fit into a standard so they can be easily displayed. so to take your formula again, i've got a range between -550 and -5. so how do we draw that? is -550 awfully bad, or is it still decent? what's the absolute awesome level that we'd want to draw the black diamond at?
Post by: thistleknot on March 09, 2012, 05:02:54 pm
all i'm trying to do is determine if we can get the role formulas to fit into a standard so they can be easily displayed. so to take your formula again, i've got a range between -550 and -5. so how do we draw that? is -550 awfully bad, or is it still decent? what's the absolute awesome level that we'd want to draw the black diamond at?
I now understand what your asking, and I had to do some quick spreadsheet stuff.
if using my most recent formula in http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3078785#msg3078785
I took the max value possible with my formula for every stat, and then averaged it. So if someone runesmith'd there character to 5000 in everything, then the max value with my formula (with the weights I have) is 3847.614.
Lowest value is -1108.12
0 = middle.
Without weights (i.e. if your removed the *1.2 and *.8 you see in my formula's at the end of each attribute line).
Then the scale would be
-1130.7368421053 for the lowest possible value
0 = middle
3962.174 for the highest possible value
Does that help?
Update:
I might want to change the formula to not factor anything. But to simply subtract the middle value (i.e Strength's middle value is 1250, Agility is 900, toughness is 1250, etc http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Attribute) from each attribute. This would yield a deviation from the center.
It would be interesting to see how they did that already with dwarf therapist in displaying attributes. I should get a copy of runesmith and 31.25 to check it out. They must have 0 strength listed as the biggest possible red square, and 5000 strength as the biggest possible black square right. Or did they just use the attribute blocks as listed on the attribute site? Each attribute has 8 categories, 4 above average, 4 below. Seems like you got your 4 red/black squares right there.
Seems easier, would probably yield similar results, but for now, what I've displayed should work.
Post by: splinterz on March 09, 2012, 05:15:11 pm
all i'm trying to do is determine if we can get the role formulas to fit into a standard so they can be easily displayed. so to take your formula again, i've got a range between -550 and -5. so how do we draw that? is -550 awfully bad, or is it still decent? what's the absolute awesome level that we'd want to draw the black diamond at?
I now understand what your asking, and I had to do some quick spreadsheet stuff.
if using my most recent formula in http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3078785#msg3078785
I took the max value possible with my formula for every stat, and then averaged it. So if someone runesmith'd there character to 5000 in everything, then the max value with my formula (with the weights I have) is 3847.614.
Lowest value is -1108.12
0 = middle.
Without weights (i.e. if your removed the *1.2 and *.8 you see in my formula's at the end of each attribute line).
Then the scale would be
-1130.7368421053 for the lowest possible value
0 = middle
3962.174 for the highest possible value
Does that help?
Update:
I might want to change the formula to not factor anything. But to simply subtract the middle value from each attribute, and average that. Seems easier, would probably yield similar results, but for now, what I've displayed should work.
yeah that helps, but the big issue is that it's not calculating all the values in one go and storing them, as it displays the column it's putting in the values/rating so it doesn't really know at that point what the min/max is. i might have to try changing that if it's really impossible to get percentages with weighted formulas (i think it should be possible, dgc was doing it after all). however i haven't been on speaking terms with the maths for many a year.
as an example, i'm using that crappy unweighted formula i made before, and since i know the values will be between 0-100, i can draw them just like the attributes and skills, augmenting the result so it rests between -50 and +50, then scaling it down to between -20 and +20. this is the same range used for the attributes and skills. this way it doesn't matter what formula you throw it, as long as your min/max range ends up between 0 and 100, it will draw everything without issue.
edit:
i totally missed what you asked about attributes. they're basically hard-coded to use the ranges specified on the wiki and then assign a rating from there. as an example for strength, the lowest (<251) bracket is a -15 rating or the red diamond. the highest (>2250) is +15 and the black diamond.
Post by: thistleknot on March 09, 2012, 05:47:57 pm
If dt supports if/then statements, then I can fix it with just dt
Post by: splinterz on March 09, 2012, 06:01:10 pm
Well the formula I gave you was what I had to work with in dwarf therapist. I can give you a c++ formula that would normalize the distributions (that's if your actually implementing this into the source code). It would give better results. The problem w my formula is it normalizes the means but it changes the mins and maxs (especially when I use weights). I could try a few things and do category blocks like those on the wiki, or I can force them all to a value between 1 and 100, 50 being the average. Either way, the results aren't optimized nor correct for really high values (example highest willpower and focus w my formula is around 2900, str is like 4500). So u can see their is a bias, and I don't think it should go into the source
maybe i'll take another look at what dgc did to get those results. i really thought it would be possible to create a weighted formula with the scripting that would spit out a percentage similar to what dgc comes up with.
Post by: splinterz on March 09, 2012, 06:21:54 pm
-snip-
If dt supports if/then statements, then I can fix it with just dt
the QScriptEngine does support if statements, i just tried the following and it's putting in the correct values: if(d.strength()>1000){0}else{1}
i'm about done for tonight but i'll see if maybe sometime tomorrow i can get a build out that includes these changes so you and others can mess around with scripts to define roles.
Post by: thistleknot on March 09, 2012, 10:47:16 pm
I updated the wiki (hopefully they don't pull it).
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Attribute#Sample_of_294_Dwarves_with_Min.2FAvg.2FMax_Values
New Link:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5834 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5834)
Min value for dwarves is 146 (Agility)
Highest value is 2537 (Musicality)
Which means my formula from earlier doesn't suffer too much bias for higher numbers, but I found some interesting results.
Dwarves have higher than center musicality and memory
They have a few stat's that are higher than the center's reported on attributes wiki. I marked them after their name with either a < or a >. Agility was pretty much right on.
I did discover that their is a bell curve to these values (possibly skewed, but I need a bigger sample), which is good to know.
In light of that information, I posted a new formula (that doesn't use factors anymore)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ClubFoot on March 09, 2012, 11:48:48 pm
I am, indeed, unsuccessful w/ the osx version.
Here's a new OSX beta version. Should fix the double icon issue, and the automatic download issue.
Dwarf Therapist OSX Beta (64-bit) v0.6.12b04 (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b04.dmg)
success! Thanks.
I think the biggest outstanding issue for basic OSX support is the inability to change the professions. Otherwise, this seems to be functioning fully.
Post by: thistleknot on March 10, 2012, 08:42:38 am
0[/code][/spoiler]Spoiler (click to show/hide)
+Well, my 294 dwarf sample was pulled from the wiki, but on the wiki for attribute, it has 2500 listed as pretty much the defacto max for dwarves (though I had a dwarf with slightly above 2500).
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Attribute#How_Your_Dwarf_Gets_Attributes
I've found that the lower range tends to be closer to 200.
Dwarves have higher than center musicality and memory
They have a few stat's that are higher than the center's reported on attributes wiki. I marked them after their name with either a < or a >. Agility was pretty much right on.
Also, according to the wiki, dwarve's have a higher
Here's my 294 dwarf sample if anyone's interested.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5834
Post by: thistleknot on March 10, 2012, 10:10:15 am
Post by: splinterz on March 10, 2012, 03:40:34 pm
could we have traits added into dwarf therapist rather than having to apply filters?
i'm pretty sure you can add trait columns in a custom view if you want, however the drawing methods are missing (i think).
in regards to the roles i've been working on and after giving it more thought, i'm strongly leaning towards just implementing something similar to what dgc did in terms of allowing users to specify a role simply by adding lists of traits, attributes and skills. the advantage would be that it's much more user friendly to define a custom role. the disadvantage is it won't be as flexible as building some crazy weighted script.
the only question then is how to also factor in the levels of traits and skills? should they be weighted equally important as attributes, or something else? anyone have any thoughts on this?
Post by: thistleknot on March 10, 2012, 09:26:22 pm
could we have traits added into dwarf therapist rather than having to apply filters?
i'm pretty sure you can add trait columns in a custom view if you want, however the drawing methods are missing (i think).
in regards to the roles i've been working on and after giving it more thought, i'm strongly leaning towards just implementing something similar to what dgc did in terms of allowing users to specify a role simply by adding lists of traits, attributes and skills. the advantage would be that it's much more user friendly to define a custom role. the disadvantage is it won't be as flexible as building some crazy weighted script.
the only question then is how to also factor in the levels of traits and skills? should they be weighted equally important as attributes, or something else? anyone have any thoughts on this?
I think that's best. I just did a formula with a trait.
I had 3 attributes (for a diagnostician), and added helpfulness. To get helpfulness to match the other stat, I weighted it by x17.
I chose x17 because attribute-50 = a range of 0 to 50 away from 0 (center). The 3 attributes that (diagnostician used in DGC) were Analytical Ability, Memory, and Intuition. Each had their own range of 800-900 from 0. I got this from determining what the minimum vs maximum was (I had a sample of dwarves (WHICH HAS DIFFERENT RESULTS THAN THE WIKI FOR SOME AVERAGES), but one could just use the http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Attribute site and guess what the max was.
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The 3 attribute's had ranges from their average as 800, 800, 900 from average. (averaged range from average had 833.33). 833.33/50 = 16.66.
I could have used 16.66, but I wanted to give helpfulness a higher weight, so I made it 17.
I weighted the other two, analytical ability, intuition, and whatever at 1 to 1.1, so I was giving helpfulness a weight of .33 higher (16.66 to 17 is .33 higher).
I would include the option of specifying weights, default could be 1 if none is entered.
In the end the formula was something like this
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hope that made sense.
Update:
The idea works, but I just realized those ranges are not from average. Range from 0 is different some have higher range to max than they do to min. I guess I would have to average those two.
For example, for intuition I have a min of 452, max of 2250. Range of 1790. However, average is 1256. So a min has a range of 804 from average, and max has a range of 994. I would of course round all these numbers. I would say the min has a range of 0 of 800, and from max 1000. I would average the two to say intution has a range of 900 from 0.
I would then repeat the same for analytical ability and memory.
Analytical: 900 from average
Memory: 850 from averaage
(900+900+850)/3 = 883.333
883.333/50 = 17.66666666666667
New formula would be
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If I were to use more traits, I would continue to base the traits multiplier on the value I derived (ex. 883.333/50 = 17.66666666666667), and increase the number I'm dividing by from /4 to how many attributes/traits are involved.
The 110 is a number I derived from the average center attribute value (i.e. an average of all attribute average values) * 10%. 1100 in this case is the average of ALL ATTRIBUTE averages. However, it might be more accurate to use the averages of only the attribute's involved. Example: Intution average is 1250, Memory: 1500, Analytical: 1000, average is 1250. Again, I'm using the averages I derived from a sample of 294 dwarves, the averages for stats are listed in the wiki, and those can be used instead.
Update:
I just realized something, applying the .33 increased to 17.66 might not be right, I might want to do d.trait(20)*17.66*1.3.
New formula would be
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Update 3:
Changed my < to > in my formula's
As a side note, the benefit of crazy weighted scripts isn't really important. Dwarf Therapist has the ability already by just using the scripts I provided, one can change the >threshold quite easily. I no longer think a column with a weighted script is a good idea anymore. I think maybe some default scripts being provided with dwarf therapist is a better idea. However, determining weights is a hard issue. I'm thinking of starting a thread on dt filter scripts.
Here's a ranged combat script
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Update:
A note on average discrepencies. You can run a function that does the averages of all attributes of your dwarves at any given time, and calculates min/max's, and averages the range from the average. Then use this for the formula's. This creates a dynamic range of best available dwarves based on the makeup of your fortress. This is only recommended if min/max ranges as well as averages are unknown.
Update:
Using the crazy convoluted weighted system (but everything described above), I came up with a close combat formula that takes into account the rage trait, as well as the perseverance trait.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Update:
Thanks for the info on the if/else stuff, I implemented it (shouldn't care if a close combat dwarf has below average rage, but it should be beneficial
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: schismatise on March 11, 2012, 01:16:29 am
the only question then is how to also factor in the levels of traits and skills? should they be weighted equally important as attributes, or something else? anyone have any thoughts on this?
Anyway, i think i can help you with that at least - the obvious answer is they should be weighted based on how fast they are to level up. Many skills take years or even decades to go from 0 to legendary, while going from 'weak' to 'superdwarvenly tough' might only take a few seasons of constant sparring. I rarely, if ever, take attributes into consideration when picking military dwarves, for example. I'm more likely to pick an active, easily angered dwarf with high willpower who's weak as a stick than a friendly superdwarf, since traits, on the other hand, can't level up at all. So i suppose traits should be given the relevant merit, although it's not entirely clear how much more an angry dwarf will enter rage, let alone how much it effects combat.
TLDR: skills > traits > attributes, imo
Of course, if you're picking out soldiers to turn into vampires, it's a whole different story (since their attributes become locked permanently upon vampyrism).
Post by: splinterz on March 11, 2012, 02:42:12 am
You guys are nuts. I was following this entire thread to the letter and then suddenly thistleknot shows up and starts talking rocket science!the only question then is how to also factor in the levels of traits and skills? should they be weighted equally important as attributes, or something else? anyone have any thoughts on this?
Anyway, i think i can help you with that at least - the obvious answer is they should be weighted based on how fast they are to level up. Many skills take years or even decades to go from 0 to legendary, while going from 'weak' to 'superdwarvenly tough' might only take a few seasons of constant sparring. I rarely, if ever, take attributes into consideration when picking military dwarves, for example. I'm more likely to pick an active, easily angered dwarf with high willpower who's weak as a stick than a friendly superdwarf, since traits, on the other hand, can't level up at all. So i suppose traits should be given the relevant merit, although it's not entirely clear how much more an angry dwarf will enter rage, let alone how much it effects combat.
TLDR: skills > traits > attributes, imo
Of course, if you're picking out soldiers to turn into vampires, it's a whole different story (since their attributes become locked permanently upon vampyrism).
yes that's what i was leaning towards as well. my intention was to do something much simpler than what thistleknot proposes by assigning a rating like so: take an equally weighted average of the attributes specified for the role, using the functions defined by dgc (example below). then take a weighted average of traits and skills (separately, but possibly using a similar function). finally i'd use user defined weights for the 3 groups to determine the final 'rating' as a weighted average of traits, skills and attributes.
Code: (dgc strength function. x = strength) [Select]
var xpct;
if (x <= 949) {
xpct = ((0.0333988 * x) - 15.0295)
} else if (x >= 950 && x <= 1149) {
xpct = ((0.0837487 * x) - 62.8943)
} else if (x >= 1150 && x <= 1249) {
xpct = ((0.168333 * x) - 160.249)
} else if (x >= 1250 && x <= 1349) {
xpct = ((0.168343 * x) - 160.429)
} else if (x >= 1350 && x <= 1549) {
xpct = ((0.0837538 * x) - 46.4006)
} else if (x >= 1550) {
xpct = ((0.0238412 * x) + 46.3801)
};
return xpct;
i'll have to code it and then do some testing with thistleknot's formulas vs this method and see how much they differ. the disadvantage would be that it's not as flexible because you wouldn't be able to weight attributes/traits/skills individually, but i'm not convinced this is necessary seeing how useful dgc is while generating a rating purely on equally weighted attributes. the main advantages would be that it's simpler for the user to add roles (less weighted values to consider), and everything would be standardized to percentile results. additionally this means we don't have drawing issues because we know the resulting ranges we're dealing with. after all, what's the point of adding a column for a role when you can't see the results?
@thistleknot: i disagree that having role columns is a bad idea. the problem with filter scripts is that they, well... filter. you constantly have to tweak the formulas to make sure you're getting data. if you get no results, that's no good, because while nobody fits your precise filter, you still want to know who would best fit the role anyway. a column with the ability to sort and view the rating graphically does just that. i think something similar to this (http://www.imageupload.co.uk/files/6tlj3q0tfbygqvei1ppd.png) as an end result would be awesome.
Post by: thistleknot on March 11, 2012, 03:08:36 am
YES THERE IS A BELL CURVE to attributes. I was gonna try to figure out how to merge bell curves, but it makes my brain hurt. That's why I just did simple Attribute-(Attribute's Average) to get a result that differed from the center of said attribute. If doing %, then you need to find the min/max values from average of all attributes for that profession, and that will be your range from 0 that represents %.
Example: A hypothetical profession that uses Analytical, and Agility
0 represents Attribute's average (i.e. attribute-average)
Agility: Averaged ranged from 0 is ~725
Analytical: Averaged ranged from 0 is ~885
Both Averaged = 805
var attributeAveragedRange = 805; (round to 800)
So, a -800 would be 0%, and a +800 would be 100%
Simple enough.
Traits already have their ranges setup (0-100, or -50 to 50 after you apply trait-50).
As explained earlier, traits need to be factored to equal the range of the attributeAveragedRange.
var avgAttrMean = the average of all Attributes involved (Agility is rounded to 900, analytical 1000), average is 950
var pctAwayFromMean = avgAttrMean*.15;
var traitTactor = attributeAveragedRange/50;
which is 800/15 (which results in 16).
Then the formula would be an average of all deviations from the center.
So
d.agility()-average is... (rounded to logical)
1 represents a factor, 1 means 100%
((
((d.agility()-900)*1)+
((d.analytical_ability()-1000)*1)+
((d.trait()-50)*16*1)
)/3)>pctAwayFromMean
Update:
I forgot to mention, pctAwayFromMean needs to be factored (although it's not really that important) to the average of all attribute weights.
Above example, everyone's weight is 1, so there's no need to mess with pctAwayFromMean, but if the weights were 1.3, 1.2, and .9, the average of that is 1.133333333333333, then pctAwayFrom would be factored by 1.1333, this is because the weights is going to change the averages (because it's weighting the results).
Post by: thistleknot on March 11, 2012, 03:10:50 am
Code: (dgc strength function. x = strength) [Select]
var xpct;
if (x <= 949) {
xpct = ((0.0333988 * x) - 15.0295)
} else if (x >= 950 && x <= 1149) {
xpct = ((0.0837487 * x) - 62.8943)
} else if (x >= 1150 && x <= 1249) {
xpct = ((0.168333 * x) - 160.249)
} else if (x >= 1250 && x <= 1349) {
xpct = ((0.168343 * x) - 160.429)
} else if (x >= 1350 && x <= 1549) {
xpct = ((0.0837538 * x) - 46.4006)
} else if (x >= 1550) {
xpct = ((0.0238412 * x) + 46.3801)
};
return xpct;
Post by: thistleknot on March 11, 2012, 03:34:35 am
I like what the idea schismatise posted
skills > traits > attributes.
One could argue skills/labors are the same, some skills/labors (like appraisal) can't be assigned. Tho you may have a good dwarf to do a labor based on attributes... which is a problem. There might not be too many labors like that though.
I just assumed since labors improved faster/efficiently based on attributes, that I would focus everything on attributes and let the labors work themself out.
However, I'm having a problem with a broker script that gives me someone with no appraisal skill.
And then there's skills.
So something needs to be done to ensure the proper order and weights are applied.
Post by: Kogut on March 11, 2012, 04:07:02 am
Post by: thistleknot on March 11, 2012, 04:23:00 am
BTW, traits and attributes are without any effect on quality of items produced by legendary dwarves.
That could be used as an overriding factor. In fact, if a dwarf is close to legendary status, maybe an if, else statement can be done to change the course of a decision to favor such a dwarf. But for all the new hires, I think the trait/attribute is a good fit.
Update:
Can't sleep, clown's will eat me.
I simplified the formula for those following
Formula
for traits:
(trait-50)*
(average((each attribute's mean - attribute minimum)+(each attribute's max - mean)/2))/50
*weight
for attributes:
average((each attribute - attribute's average)*weight)>
((15% of all attributes averages)*(averages of all weights))
When adding traits and attributes, treat trait as an additional attribute (i.e. include it's weight in the averages of all weights, include it in the average((each attribute...)...
God so tired.
Post by: splinterz on March 11, 2012, 05:47:45 am
What is this? I see category's and percents, but what do the percent's represent? A distribution curve?Code: (dgc strength function. x = strength) [Select]var xpct;
if (x <= 949) {
xpct = ((0.0333988 * x) - 15.0295)
} else if (x >= 950 && x <= 1149) {
xpct = ((0.0837487 * x) - 62.8943)
} else if (x >= 1150 && x <= 1249) {
xpct = ((0.168333 * x) - 160.249)
} else if (x >= 1250 && x <= 1349) {
xpct = ((0.168343 * x) - 160.429)
} else if (x >= 1350 && x <= 1549) {
xpct = ((0.0837538 * x) - 46.4006)
} else if (x >= 1550) {
xpct = ((0.0238412 * x) + 46.3801)
};
return xpct;
from dgc: (https://github.com/AnnanFay/dgc)
Quote
I weight all attributes attached to a skill equally, and assume that a high percentile in one cancels out an equally low percentile in another. I scale attributes to percentiles in the six default ranges, and let the lines of the first and last ranges run off infinitely, meaning very high and very low attrs slowly stop making sense. For instance you get default strength of 100% at 2250, but a strength of 5000 will only report 166%.
Post by: thistleknot on March 11, 2012, 06:17:53 am
I wish I could figure out the standard deviations (then I could use it for threshPct instead of just basing theshPct on the mean itself). I don't know if I can average the standard Deviation between all the between attributes.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5850 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5850)
Super late update (Jan 25, 2013):
Yes, yes you can...
you can use root mean square to combine standard deviations
:)
man, I love answering my past
Post by: AnnanFay on March 11, 2012, 07:43:37 am
First of all, splinterz's above quote is correct. I've not changed the README however my current version of DGC still uses the old formula. (though refactored!)
This formula assumes that information in the wiki is correct, and without seeing more well documented tests with evidence I think they are correct. Attributes get raised by using skills and I believe thistleknot used dwarves from two large fortresses which would have seen attribute growth.
The DGC formula takes an attribute that falls within the generated range and maps it from 0-100. This roughly is how much of the population this is better than. If it's 80% it means that given 100 generated dwarves this will be above ~80 of them.
This is a very good formula to use when embarking! However it suffers huge problems as soon as you get immigrants, babies or any of your dwarves do anything since attributes will deviate from the generated averages.
If you have a very large fort you don't want to know how good your dwarves are above the generated average, you want to know how good they are in relation to all your other dwarves. Hence, two formula are needed, one for embark and one afterwards.
A third formula may be useful and can also be used on any other creatures. This is to say that attributes are between 0-5000 so weight all attributes by dividing by 500. 100 will be the maximum value possible and 0 the minimum.
So yeah, I'm planning on having all three formula in the next release of DGC. Hopes this info helps people! :)
Post by: chrisadams3997 on March 11, 2012, 08:24:00 am
Post by: splinterz on March 11, 2012, 08:45:22 am
I feel I should step into the discussion to say some things.
First of all, splinterz's above quote is correct. I've not changed the README however my current version of DGC still uses the old formula. (though refactored!)
This formula assumes that information in the wiki is correct, and without seeing more well documented tests with evidence I think they are correct. Attributes get raised by using skills and I believe thistleknot used dwarves from two large fortresses which would have seen attribute growth.
The DGC formula takes an attribute that falls within the generated range and maps it from 0-100. This roughly is how much of the population this is better than. If it's 80% it means that given 100 generated dwarves this will be above ~80 of them.
This is a very good formula to use when embarking! However it suffers huge problems as soon as you get immigrants, babies or any of your dwarves do anything since attributes will deviate from the generated averages.
If you have a very large fort you don't want to know how good your dwarves are above the generated average, you want to know how good they are in relation to all your other dwarves. Hence, two formula are needed, one for embark and one afterwards.
A third formula may be useful and can also be used on any other creatures. This is to say that attributes are between 0-5000 so weight all attributes by dividing by 500. 100 will be the maximum value possible and 0 the minimum.
So yeah, I'm planning on having all three formula in the next release of DGC. Hopes this info helps people! :)
hi! thanks for chiming in on this, much appreciated! alright so as i've shamefully admitted i am terrible at the maths, but it seems to me that the reason for having multiple formulas is due to ratings being generated relative to other dwarves in a fort, relative to the generated levels or relative to the absolutes. now you've been doing this much longer than i have so perhaps you can explain a bit more why this is necessary rather than just rating based on the wiki page's min/max values?
for example if i have a dwarf with 1500 strength, dgc says that he's 79% better than the generated ranges, correct? so if you applied the same thing to 0-5000 rather than the generated, obviously the rating percentage would be lower, but wouldn't they still have the same overall rank relative to the other dwarves?
am i just tired and missing something obvious here, or is it simply a matter of preference?
Post by: thistleknot on March 11, 2012, 09:21:02 am
Also, using the current populations average makes sense (if the average indeed can change from the wikis). I feel it would be more optimized for your current population and avoid arguments over as to what the "correct" averages are.
I also have a recommendation for how to get % based on my formula using statistics. I wasn't sure how to combine the different attributes, but I believe I know how to do it correctly. You basically combine the attribute arrays into one super array worth of values and derive the mean and standard deviation from that, then using elementary statistics, you can derive what % your at from the mean (this is assuming a bell curve WHICH THE WIKI SAYS THERE ISN'T ONE, but using my sample, it's plainly obvious that there is a bell curve of some kind). The only issue I see with this, is if the distribution curve is skewed to the left or the right, I don't remember if that matters when using standard deviation and want to look into it. However, I hope to have an answer today. I'm also hoping that I can just average the standard deviations from all the involved attributes and get a new standard deviation to apply to the school of attributes involved with a specific role rather than have to derive it from one large super sample of all involved attributes.
UPDATE: Using a 340+ sample of dwarves, averaging a standard deviation of 315.15 and 400.67 gave me 357.91, combining the samples into one and doing a standard deviation of 367.1, so I guess the averaging gave me a bias of
2%.
Upon further reading, I'm finding that I shouldn't average the standard deviations, but use the entirety of the dataset :(. Something I don't know how to do with dwarf therapist script engine (it took me forever how to figure out how to declare a var!)
I recommend using standard deviation, it's quite easy to find:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have yet to re-figure out how to find a % along the distribution curve using standard deviation, but that should be easy. It's important that when getting a mean from a super-set, that we apply the weights to each set of attributes individually before we combine them into a superset, you can apply weights to the superset afterwards (because there all combined into one dataset). For example, str weight of 1.2, willpower of .8. so we would multiple the strength attribute dataset by 1.2, then the willpower attribute dataset by .8, then combine them into a superset, then find the mean, and standard deviation.
I think I got it right, we then might need to take an individual dwarf's attribute's and apply the weight to his attributes before comparing it to the superset (to make it match the superset weights), I'm not 100% sure on this. Weights make it confusing for me, but I do know we need to apply the weights to the datasets BEFORE combining them into one superset to get the mean/standard deviation.
Update:
Okay, I re-remembered how to do standard deviations. Unfortunately, there's no easy math formula for it, you have to reference a table (which means probably coding this into an array, or something convenient for referencing). It's called the Table of the Standard Normal Distribution, aka z-value http://www.fmi.uni-sofia.bg/vesta/virtual_labs/tables/tables1.html (http://www.fmi.uni-sofia.bg/vesta/virtual_labs/tables/tables1.html). Then you take a attribute you want to compare, and compare it to this table and measure it in how many standard deviations it is away from the mean, and that is your % away from 50% (either above or below 50%). The table I supplied can be reversed above 50% using the same standard deviations in column z, if that is confusing I can provide a more complete table, but it's simply counting down from 50% the same distance as it counts up from 50%.
I have an example for you:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As a note, the standard distribution curve is used for normal distributions, which dwarf attributes may not be made up of (there is a curve though). However... this method is probably the best we're going to get, and uses the same "normal" logic I was using with my min/max range method (that method was assuming a flat distribution vs a curve, but still symmetrical). Good thing I took statistics in High School, otherwise this stuff would have been harder for me.
Update:
i realized multiplying a dataset by a weight and THEN finding it's average,
the (sample-1) can be skipped and a (sample) can be used when dividing squared deviation from mean from.
Example:
Agility average: 879.59
Analytical average: 1052.42
Creativity average: 1044.32
Sum: 2976.33
# of attributes: 3
Update:
My formula's had a messed up weighted mean, I had addition occurring before multiplication, it was the other way around.
It's (attribute mean * weight)+(attribute mean * weight)+...(for each attribute)/(# of attributes) = weighted mean.
((1250*1.1)+( 900*1.2))/2 =
1227.5
Not
average of attribute averages: (1250 + 900)/2 = 1075
average of weights: 1.1 + 1.2 = 2.3; 2.3/2 = 1.15
multiply attribute average by weight average: 1236.25
The weighted mean WAS ONLY USED TO DETERMINE THE > #. Which was a % (10-20%) of the weighted average.
So the impact on the formula's is minimal, the rest of the formula was sound.
Update:
I think the original reason I requested a user definable column, was to be able to do my own sort. Whether I wanted to use flat out numbers, or %. That way I could create a script (hopefully) in dt, and then see my own new column that I can do a sort operation on.
Post by: thistleknot on March 11, 2012, 02:15:54 pm
Update:
I did a simple_embark from 31.25 for 1500 dorf's. Then I exported their attributes with advanced xml converter (had to flip the .xml document internally to get the rest of the document exported since it's a trial version, but verified the stat's were not duplicated). The means, min's, max's matched my old sample, and continued to verify that the attribute wiki has incorrect dwarf median/mean attribute levels for a few attributes (which is important for those developing formula's for DT or DGC!!!. (I don't mean to say the wiki is incorrect, I'm just wondering why the "center dwarven attribute" is not matching with what the actual results are.)
Anyways, I'll include the pic as a followup pic for the other reference I have for the attribute wiki. Hopefully people catch on.
It's interesting to see the distribution isn't a bell curve, but it certainly is similar. The author of DF decided certain ranges were going to have more WEIGHT than others, for example, Agility has a higher range from 900-1100 than any other, and for Analytical, it's 900 to 1100 as well.
I'll update the post later with a link to the .ods spreadsheet I got this from.
Check it out
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5854 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5854)
hell yeah, my formula's will hopefully be validated
although (cuz my formula's are best for a flat distribution curve)... I still recommend the standard deviation, otherwise... you guy's are going to have fun trying to mix different distributions of attributes together to come up with a % scale. If you mix enough attributes together, you will come up with a bell curve. So it's best to just use statistics to figure it out. Use standard deviation for future % values for Dwarf Therapist. Statistics is quite easy, once you figure out the z table.
Post by: Icefire2314 on March 11, 2012, 06:55:17 pm
Post by: Mike Mayday on March 11, 2012, 07:21:45 pm
Is there a way to prevent social skills from showing in the tooltip when mousing over the name list?
Is it possible to make said name list colour coded according to profession?
Are there plans to allow for assigning to squads directly in DT?
Post by: Goncyn on March 11, 2012, 07:54:59 pm
Are there plans to allow for assigning to squads directly in DT?
That would be beyond brilliant because it would remove the most common source of trying to pick a dwarf from the little tiny list in-game.
Post by: Baselope on March 11, 2012, 09:08:01 pm
Still, I will second that function to be on the list for our inspired dwarf utility crafters to consider worthy of their time. I hope that it isn't a technological nightmare as it would be a huge improvement. I'd definitely like it better than nobles/vampire or other types of information.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 12, 2012, 05:01:35 am
Why the (no job) and the (on break) icons in DF are the same, the small red/orange dot? Quite often I have to check if they are really idle, or just taking a well deserved rest... :D
More generally speaking, does any plan exist to further improve DF? Like for example a filter on idle dwarves (only showing them?)
Post by: schismatise on March 12, 2012, 06:43:09 am
More generally speaking, does any plan exist to further improve DF?
Current plan is:Of course, I'll continue to try to provide layouts ASAP for new releases.
- Slight hiatus
- Bugfix release
- Feature releases
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 12, 2012, 12:38:48 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 12, 2012, 04:39:26 pm
I have a lingering question, about a minor DF lack that is quite annoying (obviously for me, but I dare believe it annoys others too?).
Why the (no job) and the (on break) icons in DF are the same, the small red/orange dot? Quite often I have to check if they are really idle, or just taking a well deserved rest... :D
More generally speaking, does any plan exist to further improve DF? Like for example a filter on idle dwarves (only showing them?)
don't worry, we're still reading the threads and keeping notes. it might not be done in the next 24 hours, but we're still aware of issues posted.
Post by: thistleknot on March 13, 2012, 09:39:28 am
Here is a script filter where you can use normalized probabilities to get results out of dwarf therapist!
By the way, this is exactly what Splinterz is working on for his next release of DT, except his means will be population based, and it will be WAY MORE user friendly than modifying a script.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: splinterz on March 13, 2012, 07:39:33 pm
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7039/6980671317_57d471815f_z.jpg)
it will rank dwarves based on the aspects for the role: attributes, skills and traits. each aspect can have it's own individual weight, and the groups themselves can also have a weight applied. this should give maximum flexibility in creating precise roles. additionally it's possible for traits to be rated inversely. for example if you want to find a very good liar, the less honesty a dwarf has, the better a liar they would be.
the roles are drawn the same as attributes, with dwarves better fitting roles as large black squares, and the worst dwarves with large red squares.
all roles are specified in the game_data.ini so it's very easy to add new ones once you have the syntax. for the role above the ini looks like this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
finally against my better judgement i've also allowed a script="" entry for roles which will allow users to specify a custom script to generate values. however these are more difficult to draw and values outside of 0-100 will look funky.
i'd like to add a set of packaged roles as well, so if anyone wants to take the initiative and use the template provided (skill and trait id numbers are in the game_data.ini) i'm also still not sure on what the best weights would be. someone previously mentioned that skills > traits > attributes (i think?) would be the way to go. any other opinions or is this sound advice?
your input is greatly appreciated!
Post by: walberg on March 13, 2012, 10:17:47 pm
i'd like to add a set of packaged roles as well, so if anyone wants to take the initiative and use the template provided (skill and trait id numbers are in the game_data.ini) i'm also still not sure on what the best weights would be. someone previously mentioned that skills > traits > attributes (i think?) would be the way to go. any other opinions or is this sound advice?
your input is greatly appreciated!
I think I would recommend putting the weights in the .ini as well, and provide a "reasonable" (for some completely random definition of "reasonable", maybe) set of defaults in the distribution. That way anyone who wants to lean more on skills can tweak them that way, but if someone's more into attributes, that can be set up as well. Of course there's a couple downsides - the code will have to be considerably more forgiving and probably have a lot more (in-)sanity checks to write. Also, putting too much in the .ini might just get ridiculous at some point - maybe split the file into a couple different ones for different purposes (settings vs model parameters vs layouts, etc.)... And documenting this largish set of weights and what each one does would likely be a tad tedious.
Post by: sumofallwars on March 14, 2012, 09:04:30 am
I am always amazed at the skills in this community.
Post by: CatalystParadox on March 14, 2012, 11:32:03 am
Of course, my pie-in-the-sky +1 wish would be... would it be possible for this/some other utility to scan your initial 7 pre-embark too? You know, so you know who to assign the medical skills to, who to give the brokerage to, who to make the leaders, who to give the weapon & armor skills, etc.?
Post by: Kraggh on March 14, 2012, 11:50:34 am
::)
I think there´s any button to do that.
So, what can I do to play 0.34.5, with Therapist?
Thanks!
Post by: SalmonGod on March 14, 2012, 04:36:14 pm
Post by: MrX on March 14, 2012, 05:06:01 pm
I'm having problems running DT on my 64bit Fedora 15 box. When I start the program I see the window for a second and then it just disappears. I have tried with both DF 31.25 and 34.05. The log seems to be saying something about memory layouts, but I have files in etc/memory_layouts/linux which have the same version number that DF has.
Here's the run.log:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Any clues?
Post by: vityav on March 14, 2012, 08:09:28 pm
Any clues?
I'm also running FC15 x64. Did you compile DT? And are you running it from in the DT directory? I had to copy the DwarfTherapist executable from <DT>/bin/release to <DT>/ and then run it from in the directory, though I don't know if that was because of your error or something else. I've just always done it since whatever my problem was popped up a year or so ago. Might be worth a shot?
Post by: fredrol on March 15, 2012, 02:58:36 am
Of course, my pie-in-the-sky +1 wish would be... would it be possible for this/some other utility to scan your initial 7 pre-embark too? You know, so you know who to assign the medical skills to, who to give the brokerage to, who to make the leaders, who to give the weapon & armor skills, etc.?
I agree, would be an awesome feature.
Post by: Kento on March 15, 2012, 04:20:30 am
Old nicknames also appear in dwarf descriptions and relations, but do not appear on the unit list. Changing the nicknames through the game itself seems to not have this problem.
Post by: MrX on March 15, 2012, 04:28:19 am
I had to copy the DwarfTherapist executable from <DT>/bin/release to <DT>/ and then run it from in the directory.
That actually worked! Thank you so much :) DT started just fine and read all my dwarves.
Post by: Rose on March 15, 2012, 06:29:37 am
Are there two places where nicknames are stored now? I keep on seeing old nicknames in my announcements, as if when I delete nicknames through Dwarf Therapist, they are stored somewhere.
Old nicknames also appear in dwarf descriptions and relations, but do not appear on the unit list. Changing the nicknames through the game itself seems to not have this problem.
there is indeed, which is why when you rename vamps ingame, it works, but when you rename them with DT, it doesn't
Post by: thistleknot on March 15, 2012, 06:32:03 am
on win7 it's in
c:\users\<user>\appdata\roaming\udp software\
Post by: splinterz on March 15, 2012, 06:44:54 am
updates:
- castes are working and additionally they're read from the [CASTE_NAME] raw tag so modders can utilize the feature (thanks meph!)
- fixed merchants' guards showing up in dt (reported by alagon)
- 'on break' now works properly and is identified with a blue dot, as opposed to the 'idle' red dot, and groups properly
- the edit script window now works
- slightly darkened some text for readability
- removed the average attribute descriptions
- added skill and attribute reference tables, and sorted traits in the filter scripts window
- added standard deviation and mean script functions for attributes
- added skill rating function for scripts
- - trait columns now draw their values properly (same as attributes)
- added 36 default role columns, with default weights of 1.25 for traits, 0.75 for skills, and 0.25 for attributes (edit/add new ones in the game_data.ini)
- added a roles view in the default views which includes all built-in roles
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?uz9n025m9jcx373)
you can read more details on the formatting and few examples on the source page below as well if you're interested in creating your own roles
source (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
as always, any feedback, opinions or other ideas regarding features are always welcome.
Note: this is not the official dwarf therapist, this is a branch! (nothing should explode though...probably)
Post by: splinterz on March 15, 2012, 07:38:13 am
This is amazing, thank you all for your hard work! Can't wait for the next release!Of course, my pie-in-the-sky +1 wish would be... would it be possible for this/some other utility to scan your initial 7 pre-embark too? You know, so you know who to assign the medical skills to, who to give the brokerage to, who to make the leaders, who to give the weapon & armor skills, etc.?
I agree, would be an awesome feature.
i'm pretty sure you can already do this... i'm sitting at the embark screen right now and i can view attributes and roles just fine in therapist. am i missing something?
Post by: Altaree on March 15, 2012, 12:39:35 pm
alright i think i've got everything finalized for anyone who would like to play with roles and some other changes. big thanks to thistle for some massive data collections and beta testing.
updates:
- castes are working and additionally they're read from the [CASTE_NAME] raw tag so modders can utilize the feature (thanks meph!)
- fixed merchants' guards showing up in dt (reported by alagon)
- 'on break' now works properly and is identified with a blue dot, as opposed to the 'idle' red dot, and groups properly
- the edit script window now works
- slightly darkened some text for readability
- removed the average attribute descriptions
- added skill and attribute reference tables, and sorted traits in the filter scripts window
- added standard deviation and mean script functions for attributes
- added skill rating function for scripts
- added 36 default role columns, with default weights of 1.25 for traits, 0.75 for skills, and 0.25 for attributes (edit/add new ones in the game_data.ini)
- added a roles view in the default views which includes all built-in roles
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?uz9n025m9jcx373)
you can read more details on the formatting and few examples on the source page below as well if you're interested in creating your own roles
source (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
as always, any feedback, opinions or other ideas regarding features are always welcome.
Note: this is not the official dwarf therapist, this is a branch! (nothing should explode though...probably)
I just loaded this with my 31.25 world. A lot of the attributes on my dwarves except for strength were reading as zero. Looking at the stats in runesmith proves this to not be true. Also, the roles view isn't working at all except for socializer.
Post by: splinterz on March 15, 2012, 01:01:02 pm
alright i think i've got everything finalized for anyone who would like to play with roles and some other changes. big thanks to thistle for some massive data collections and beta testing.
updates:
- castes are working and additionally they're read from the [CASTE_NAME] raw tag so modders can utilize the feature (thanks meph!)
- fixed merchants' guards showing up in dt (reported by alagon)
- 'on break' now works properly and is identified with a blue dot, as opposed to the 'idle' red dot, and groups properly
- the edit script window now works
- slightly darkened some text for readability
- removed the average attribute descriptions
- added skill and attribute reference tables, and sorted traits in the filter scripts window
- added standard deviation and mean script functions for attributes
- added skill rating function for scripts
- added 36 default role columns, with default weights of 1.25 for traits, 0.75 for skills, and 0.25 for attributes (edit/add new ones in the game_data.ini)
- added a roles view in the default views which includes all built-in roles
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?uz9n025m9jcx373)
you can read more details on the formatting and few examples on the source page below as well if you're interested in creating your own roles
source (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
as always, any feedback, opinions or other ideas regarding features are always welcome.
Note: this is not the official dwarf therapist, this is a branch! (nothing should explode though...probably)
I just loaded this with my 31.25 world. A lot of the attributes on my dwarves except for strength were reading as zero. Looking at the stats in runesmith proves this to not be true. Also, the roles view isn't working at all except for socializer.
sorry, it's designed for df2012, i haven't had the time to go back to 31.25 and look for all the offsets.
Post by: nenjin on March 15, 2012, 01:17:40 pm
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sorry, it's designed for df2012, i haven't had the time to go back to 31.25 and look for all the offsets.
Considering how much effort it took to find the offsets for 2012, I don't think anyone is blaming you.
(I also think it's a little crazy that anyone would expect mod authors to make new versions backwards compatible with previous DF versions.)
Post by: Altaree on March 15, 2012, 01:21:35 pm
Makes sense. I just did a direct download and didn't see the site. Very nice work!
--SNIP--
sorry, it's designed for df2012, i haven't had the time to go back to 31.25 and look for all the offsets.
Post by: ClubFoot on March 15, 2012, 01:28:27 pm
This is amazing, thank you all for your hard work! Can't wait for the next release!Of course, my pie-in-the-sky +1 wish would be... would it be possible for this/some other utility to scan your initial 7 pre-embark too? You know, so you know who to assign the medical skills to, who to give the brokerage to, who to make the leaders, who to give the weapon & armor skills, etc.?
I agree, would be an awesome feature.
i'm pretty sure you can already do this... i'm sitting at the embark screen right now and i can view attributes and roles just fine in therapist. am i missing something?
really? I've tried this on 2 platforms (osx and windows) and have never been able to load up the 7 initial dwarves while I'm still planning their skills (not even their names come up). Anyone else have this work for them?
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 15, 2012, 03:19:22 pm
Post by: celly on March 15, 2012, 04:34:02 pm
alright i think i've got everything finalized for anyone who would like to play with roles and some other changes. big thanks to thistle for some massive data collections and beta testing.
updates:
- castes are working and additionally they're read from the [CASTE_NAME] raw tag so modders can utilize the feature (thanks meph!)
- fixed merchants' guards showing up in dt (reported by alagon)
- 'on break' now works properly and is identified with a blue dot, as opposed to the 'idle' red dot, and groups properly
- the edit script window now works
- slightly darkened some text for readability
- removed the average attribute descriptions
- added skill and attribute reference tables, and sorted traits in the filter scripts window
- added standard deviation and mean script functions for attributes
- added skill rating function for scripts
- added 36 default role columns, with default weights of 1.25 for traits, 0.75 for skills, and 0.25 for attributes (edit/add new ones in the game_data.ini)
- added a roles view in the default views which includes all built-in roles
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?uz9n025m9jcx373)
you can read more details on the formatting and few examples on the source page below as well if you're interested in creating your own roles
source (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
as always, any feedback, opinions or other ideas regarding features are always welcome.
Note: this is not the official dwarf therapist, this is a branch! (nothing should explode though...probably)
Hmm, it crashes after having it up for like 10 seconds or so. :/ Not printing any logs either - although I don't know if it should. Regular DT works and I'm on 34.05.
Post by: chrisadams3997 on March 15, 2012, 04:54:17 pm
This is amazing, thank you all for your hard work! Can't wait for the next release!Of course, my pie-in-the-sky +1 wish would be... would it be possible for this/some other utility to scan your initial 7 pre-embark too? You know, so you know who to assign the medical skills to, who to give the brokerage to, who to make the leaders, who to give the weapon & armor skills, etc.?
I agree, would be an awesome feature.
i'm pretty sure you can already do this... i'm sitting at the embark screen right now and i can view attributes and roles just fine in therapist. am i missing something?
really? I've tried this on 2 platforms (osx and windows) and have never been able to load up the 7 initial dwarves while I'm still planning their skills (not even their names come up). Anyone else have this work for them?
It's worked on my computer before. I actually loaded DT while in the embark screen not expecting it to connect up to DF yet, so I was surprised I could see the initial 7 dwarves.
Post by: Marble_Nuts on March 15, 2012, 06:42:15 pm
Is that a bug or what? The main page os therapist says .05 through auto-update... It says "version check failed"
Post by: Rhenaya on March 15, 2012, 06:50:17 pm
my drow use different stat weighting, so my very strong, very agile and virtually never sick drow shows in dftherapist as strong without marker, but extremly agile and flimsy (though virtually never sick with 4900 is awesome either way oO)
now is the question if there is some way to read those values, or a simple tool so i can adjust and save the properties.
edit: also i noticed that spatial sense is not in, this is also a very important military attribute, because it affects block and even more so dodging a lot (someone with amazing spatial sense and average dodgeing is insanely hard to hit compared to an agile one
Post by: Goncyn on March 15, 2012, 06:52:06 pm
I believe Meph is using splinterz's patched version as of 1.5.1, so maybe it's a consequence of his changes? Anyone else notice this?
Post by: uggi on March 15, 2012, 08:42:49 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 16, 2012, 02:00:47 am
I appreciate to see the stats of the dwarves also, great job!
Post by: Intrinsic on March 16, 2012, 03:28:49 am
Is 0.6.12 supposed to be 0.31.25 compatible? I've got a bunch of old 0.31.25 fortresses, and in all of them the professions are showing up really weird in 0.6.12. Some hammerdwarves show up as speardwarves, some adult dwarves as children. It's quite random, except children seem to always show up as master lashers and babies as recruits. Therapist also lists children and babies with bold text, like they were drafted into militia and in active duty. Also some dwarves are missing completely. Everything seems correct in 0.6.11. I've tried this in 32 bit Linux and in 64 bit Win 7, both have the same problem.
Nope it doesn't really work with 31.25, 6.10 is your only hope.
Post by: splinterz on March 16, 2012, 03:48:37 am
the 7.0 update looks nice, though for modders there is still one oddity:
my drow use different stat weighting, so my very strong, very agile and virtually never sick drow shows in dftherapist as strong without marker, but extremly agile and flimsy (though virtually never sick with 4900 is awesome either way oO)
now is the question if there is some way to read those values, or a simple tool so i can adjust and save the properties.
edit: also i noticed that spatial sense is not in, this is also a very important military attribute, because it affects block and even more so dodging a lot (someone with amazing spatial sense and average dodgeing is insanely hard to hit compared to an agile one
i've looked into this briefly after the last time you mentioned it, and while i think the most elegant solution would be to read the ranges from the raws, it would be nice to have it consistent with regular df as well. unfortunately, to my knowledge, the ranges in the game and the ranges specified in the raws are not the same. i'll have to add an override in the game_data.ini.
spatial sense is an aspect of the default combat roles, i'm not sure why you're not seeing it.
also a heads-up on the custom roles. i'm going to change the syntax/formatting to be more consistent with the other game_data.ini elements.
here's a comparison of a custom role:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
as you can see it won't be as compact, but it will be more forgiving of typos and it's easier to understand the layout for players adding custom roles.
Post by: Intrinsic on March 16, 2012, 06:47:51 am
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Weightings on skills(maybe traits too?) seem far far too high. Even if someone just has skill lvl1 and average-ish relavent attribs for Observer for example, it show him as being miles better than someone with better attribs but no skill. Is it possible for an option to disable taking skill into account so we can see a dorfs potential instead of being heavily skewed by a nearly useless skill level?
Apart from that it's looking great with the new additions, although it still gets Current Job wrong a lot :)
Post by: splinterz on March 16, 2012, 07:05:22 am
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Weightings on skills(traits too prolly) seem far far too high. Even if someone just has skill lvl1 and average-ish relavent attribs for Observer for example, it show him as being miles better than someone with better attribs but no skill. Is it possible for an option to disable taking skill into account so we can see a dorfs potential instead of being heavily skewed by a nearly useless skill level?
Apart from that it's looking great with the new additions, although it still gets Current Job wrong a lot :)
the problem with skills is that most dwarves don't have most skills, so it ends up that even level 1 in a skill is actually way better than the average. a greater benefit to the project would be if you propose some weights so i can tweak the default roles' weighting. you can also just edit the game_data.ini and remove skills from the roles.
however this is still a work in progress, and while editing game_data.ini works, i still need to put in more work for custom roles because the game_data.ini is more for default settings.
Post by: schismatise on March 16, 2012, 07:26:52 am
Weightings on skills(maybe traits too?) seem far far too high. Even if someone just has skill lvl1 and average-ish relavent attribs for Observer for example, it show him as being miles better than someone with better attribs but no skill.
In terms of long-term military dwarf potential, i would probably argue that this is true. Military attributes barely take a year to get to a good place, while certain skills, like Observer for example, might take alot longer, so in the long run the dwarf with the level 1 observer skill is a better choice.
That's the tricky part though. The weightings depend on the context. The more long-term you're looking at, the less important current ability levels are and the more important potential ability levels are. While i'm sure it would be possible to split every single custom role into long or short term consideration, or even further divisions, it's probably outside the scope of the project (i honestly think splinterz has already gone overboard but i'm not complaining :P)
Post by: Intrinsic on March 16, 2012, 07:37:26 am
If you wanted to keep skill as a weight, then maybe swap the weights, ie .25 for skills and .75 for attribs as they seem a greater factor from my limited experience.
One additional note, i wish it'd remember the sort order of the dorfs as i move between tabs :)
Post by: schismatise on March 16, 2012, 07:53:04 am
As to what weights are best i'm not a maths guy so not sure, the only reason i brought it up was because it was only on my last 31.25 fort that i tried DGC and tested it on assigning an additional new crafts dwarf of some kind. The dorf i chose using DGC; his skill level blitzed past my existing dorf who was already around level 4 but rated about 30% less.
If you wanted to keep skill as a weight, then maybe swap the weights, ie .25 for skills and .75 for attribs as they seem a greater factor from my limited experience.
It may very well be that weights will need to consider context, if your experience of attributes giving such a large bonus to skill gains (in this case craft skills) is a common one. From memory, Toady once pointed out that while having a massive amount of creativity vs none whatsoever will make little to no difference between 2 legendary carpenters, it has a significantly larger impact at lower skill levels, in terms of produce quality (i am not so sure on the effects of the speed at which the skill raises though - i would guess that this would be impacted more by traits such as 'very active' or 'strong willpower').
However, i know from extensive experience that this is not the case when it comes to military - attributes level up rapidly regardless of their starting level (in the right training environment), and while their impact on combat is somewhat significant, having even 1 extra level in teacher is a huge bonus in the long run - one that i would take over any amount of attribute advantage.
Post by: splinterz on March 16, 2012, 07:59:32 am
Love your work, splinterz.Weightings on skills(maybe traits too?) seem far far too high. Even if someone just has skill lvl1 and average-ish relavent attribs for Observer for example, it show him as being miles better than someone with better attribs but no skill.
In terms of long-term military dwarf potential, i would probably argue that this is true. Military attributes barely take a year to get to a good place, while certain skills, like Observer for example, might take alot longer, so in the long run the dwarf with the level 1 observer skill is a better choice.
That's the tricky part though. The weightings depend on the context. The more long-term you're looking at, the less important current ability levels are and the more important potential ability levels are. While i'm sure it would be possible to split every single custom role into long or short term consideration, or even further divisions, it's probably outside the scope of the project (i honestly think splinterz has already gone overboard but i'm not complaining :P)
thanks :) i'm trying to find the best solution for different scenarios which should address the concerns brought up:
- overriding default roles
- custom user-defined roles
- setting global override weights for skills, attributes and traits (rather than having to copy all the defaults and customize them for example)
From what AnnanFay said for DGC they just pulled the data off the wiki and from various !!SCIENCE!! projects. As to what weights are best i'm not a maths guy so not sure, the only reason i brought it up was because it was only on my last 31.25 fort that i tried DGC and tested it on assigning an additional new crafts dwarf of some kind. The dorf i chose using DGC; his skill level blitzed past my existing dorf who was already around level 4 but rated about 30% less.yeah i like having the traits weighed the most, as they can't change and there's only a few roles that it's important to factor them in. using the same logic then the next in line would be the slowest level time between skills and attributes, assuming more time to level = more valuable. or is it better to look at it from the effect on the role? for example is it better to have a dwarf with strong attributes, and weak skills, or the opposite as a fighter?
If you wanted to keep skill as a weight, then maybe swap the weights, ie .25 for skills and .75 for attribs as they seem a greater factor from my limited experience.
One additional note, i wish it'd remember the sort order of the dorfs as i move between tabs :)
i'm leaning towards skills being more valuable than attributes for the reasons schismatise explained above.
Post by: Intrinsic on March 16, 2012, 08:10:45 am
As it stands if someone has say 1 in swords, with the current weights it's like saying, this guy swung a sword once so he must be the greatest. And traits, 1.25 for them, and .25 for attribs, wow. Maybe traits could be set as a very low weight, just so someone can see when they hover over a dorf that is has a relevant trait for that profession, the same with skills even.
I tried adjusting some weights and it gave the desired effect. Maybe it could be a menu option even, to say apply a weight to each catagory.
PS: [dwarf_jobs] i guess we are waiting for several builds before updating this? or should people submit updates right now?
Post by: splinterz on March 16, 2012, 08:26:05 am
Yes for things like military teacher/student etc can have a pretty large impact, and by right environment do you mean danger rooms and 2 man squads? ;p i'm not sure those should really count as they are exploiting a weakness in the system. And yes context would certainly be a factor but in my mind tools like this in DT/DGC should be there to show potential, and then leave the user to workout how best they want to use the dorf if they have or don't have certain skills. Ie for a military guy i wouldn't want all my teachers in 1 squad, i'd want to spread them around.
As it stands if someone has say 1 in swords, with the current weights it's like saying, this guy swung a sword once so he must be the greatest. And traits, 1.25 for them, and .25 for attribs, wow. Maybe traits could be set as a very low weight, just so someone can see when they hover over a dorf that is has a relevant trait for that profession, the same with skills even.
I tried adjusting some weights and it gave the desired effect. Maybe it could be a menu option even, to say apply a weight to each catagory.
PS: [dwarf_jobs] i guess we are waiting for several builds before updating this? or should people submit updates right now?
haha i think you're exaggerating your claims a bit, but that's fine. i do think that traits are weighted too heavily at the moment, because if a role has a trait, those dwarves will be at the top, guaranteed, and it's difficult to overcome them with the other aspects. as per my other post, i'll be setting up a way to specify global weights (may just be in the ini though, no GUI)
sorry, i'm not following what you're talking about with submitting dwarf jobs?
Post by: Intrinsic on March 16, 2012, 08:38:41 am
Yes for things like military teacher/student etc can have a pretty large impact, and by right environment do you mean danger rooms and 2 man squads? ;p i'm not sure those should really count as they are exploiting a weakness in the system. And yes context would certainly be a factor but in my mind tools like this in DT/DGC should be there to show potential, and then leave the user to workout how best they want to use the dorf if they have or don't have certain skills. Ie for a military guy i wouldn't want all my teachers in 1 squad, i'd want to spread them around.
As it stands if someone has say 1 in swords, with the current weights it's like saying, this guy swung a sword once so he must be the greatest. And traits, 1.25 for them, and .25 for attribs, wow. Maybe traits could be set as a very low weight, just so someone can see when they hover over a dorf that is has a relevant trait for that profession, the same with skills even.
I tried adjusting some weights and it gave the desired effect. Maybe it could be a menu option even, to say apply a weight to each catagory.
PS: [dwarf_jobs] i guess we are waiting for several builds before updating this? or should people submit updates right now?
haha i think you're exaggerating your claims a bit, but that's fine. i do think that traits are weighted too heavily at the moment, because if a role has a trait, those dwarves will be at the top, guaranteed, and it's difficult to overcome them with the other aspects. as per my other post, i'll be setting up a way to specify global weights (may just be in the ini though, no GUI)
sorry, i'm not following what you're talking about with submitting dwarf jobs?
Heh yeah a slight over exageration ;p but a dorf with level 1 in a skill attributed to a profession will be ranked above a guy who has much better attribs.
In DT atm the current job column is incorrect some of the time, what is displayed there is dictated by the [dwarf_jobs] section in the ini. And i guess the job IDs have changed a fair bit between v31 and v34. For example:
DT shows Bridge Crutch for job ID 211.
211/name = "Bring Crutch"
But infact ingame it's Tan a Hide.
Post by: splinterz on March 16, 2012, 08:44:19 am
Post by: thistleknot on March 16, 2012, 09:58:25 am
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Weightings on skills(maybe traits too?) seem far far too high. Even if someone just has skill lvl1 and average-ish relavent attribs for Observer for example, it show him as being miles better than someone with better attribs but no skill. Is it possible for an option to disable taking skill into account so we can see a dorfs potential instead of being heavily skewed by a nearly useless skill level?
Apart from that it's looking great with the new additions, although it still gets Current Job wrong a lot :)
I agree, but you can specify the weights. I override the default ini to have attributes be anywhere frmo 80-95% of the total weight considering for determining the roles
I don't know if weights is the best way to go.
If I split my attributes/skills/traits to .6, .2, .2
Then the highest my attributes can bring my % to is 60%.
Skills 20%
and
Traits 20%
It would be nice if there was a way to give a higher weight to: how far an attribute is from the average. I was trying to do this before with my convoluted formula of attribute()-mean = distance from center, but I was having a hard way of standardizing it. After a lot of talk with Splinterz, I caved in to the weight system because I couldn't articulate how to implement what I'm thinking. To be honest, I don't even know if what I'm thinking is possible or would pan out like I'd hope it would. I'm guessing it would take the averaging of stdev's and means, and what-not.
My old post is at http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3083599#msg3083599
There's a few things I think I had off.
I don't think I would want to multiply mean * weight, but rather stdev * weight, and average those.
Post by: Intrinsic on March 16, 2012, 12:01:24 pm
It would be nice if there was a way to give a higher weight to: how far an attribute is from the average. I was trying to do this before with my convoluted formula of attribute()-mean = distance from center, but I was having a hard way of standardizing it. After a lot of talk with Splinterz, I caved in to the weight system because I couldn't articulate how to implement what I'm thinking. To be honest, I don't even know if what I'm thinking is possible or would pan out like I'd hope it would. I'm guessing it would take the averaging of stdev's and means, and what-not.
My old post is at http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3083599#msg3083599
There's a few things I think I had off.
I don't think I would want to multiply mean * weight, but rather stdev * weight, and average those.
Is this what DGC does? i notice at the top is this list:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Which i think it uses as a baseline.
I notice currently some entries like this:
35/name="Craftsdwarf"
35/attributes="0.25::agility:0.25,endurance:0.25,creativity:1.0,spatial sense:0.5,kinesthetic sense:0.5"
How were those splits determined as i see nothing on the wiki about them?
Post by: schismatise on March 16, 2012, 12:10:33 pm
Yes for things like military teacher/student etc can have a pretty large impact, and by right environment do you mean danger rooms and 2 man squads? ;p i'm not sure those should really count as they are exploiting a weakness in the system.
Danger rooms, no :P 2 man squads though, sure, that is a valid tactic, just as embarking with a level 5 teacher and six level 5 students is a valid tactic, or cage traps and goblin pitting is a valid tactic. For the record, i usually increase my squad size to 3 with the first or second migrant wave. I have used many other methods in the past though, and have always noticed military attributes to max out well before skill levels reach legendary. As i mentioned earlier, however, i do not know exactly how accurately this extends to other skills and their relevant attributes.
And yes context would certainly be a factor but in my mind tools like this in DT/DGC should be there to show potential, and then leave the user to workout how best they want to use the dorf if they have or don't have certain skills. Ie for a military guy i wouldn't want all my teachers in 1 squad, i'd want to spread them around.
This is a good point. As long as the framework is there, maybe it's best to just let the user decide what weights they want to use, and simply default them all to 1.0 or something?
Edits: for clarity.
Post by: splinterz on March 16, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
Is this what DGC does? i notice at the top is this list:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Which i think it uses as a baseline.
I notice currently some entries like this:
35/name="Craftsdwarf"
35/attributes="0.25::agility:0.25,endurance:0.25,creativity:1.0,spatial sense:0.5,kinesthetic sense:0.5"
How were those splits determined as i see nothing on the wiki about them?
DGC does things pretty different from how i'm doing them, those are all median values as far as i know. i use current population means. in regards to the craftsdwarf i just made up that role and the weights based on the wiki. i figured more emphasis on creativity than agility was reasonable. there are no weights on the wiki, it just lists what attributes affect what roles.
Post by: Intrinsic on March 16, 2012, 01:04:55 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 16, 2012, 01:15:07 pm
Yeah creativity is interesting, i would imagine for someone churning out rock crafts maybe it'd make more figurines, or maybe just when they do make a figurine it'd have a more lavish description, the same with engraving. The splits just got me thinking when i was about to add in Gem Cutter/Setter. For Gem Setting to get those really funky long descriptions maybe a lot more agility is needed and not just creativity, it's pretty fiddly work. I do wonder if there are more emphasis given to certain attribs in the game but i guess we'll never know unless someone can be bothered to stick DF through a disassembler :)
well i've got some progress on this whole weight thing anyway. i've got it setup so that you can put in 3 default weights for skills, attributes and traits in the options. so if you don't specify any weights at all in a role, each individual item is weighed at 1.0, and the group is weighted with the default value.
additionally now dt will look in the dwarf therapist.ini file rather than the game_data.ini for custom roles so you don't have to mess with them when updating. furthermore, if you name a custom role the same as a default role (in the game_data.ini), it will override the default. this way you can keep the built in roles view, but still have the ability to tweak the columns.
so now i'm going to remove all the skill/attribute/trait group weights (not the individual weights) from the packaged roles so they'll use the defaults by.. well, default. sound reasonable?
Post by: Intrinsic on March 16, 2012, 01:29:07 pm
And i noticed one thing when trying to add Gem Cutter.
It seems that regardless of what you set "size=" to in [dwarf_roles] it won't display extra roles.
ie i added:
37/name="Gem Cutter"
37/attributes="0.90::agility, analytical ability, spatial sense, kinesthetic sense"
37/traits=""
37/skills="0.10::30"
I even tried deleting the Dwarf Therapist.ini but no joy, it still seemed fixed at 36 columns?
Plus i swapped 36 and 37 over (ie 36 now was Gem Cutter and 37 was Lawdwarf) and it didn't change the roles tab either, so i guess that is also hard coded?
I can add it in a custom grid view though fine. /shrug
Post by: splinterz on March 16, 2012, 01:34:11 pm
Yeah sounds like a plan batman.
And i noticed one thing when trying to add Gem Cutter.
It seems that regardless of what you set "size=" to in [dwarf_roles] it won't display extra roles.
ie i added:
37/name="Gem Cutter"
37/attributes="0.90::agility, analytical ability, spatial sense, kinesthetic sense"
37/traits=""
37/skills="0.10::30"
I even tried deleting the Dwarf Therapist.ini but no joy, it still seemed fixed at 36 columns?
Plus i swapped 36 and 37 over (ie 36 now was Gem Cutter and 37 was Lawdwarf) and it didn't change the roles tab either, so i guess that is also hard coded?
I can add it in a custom grid view though fine. /shrug
yeah the default views have the columns read internally. i'm hoping we'll be able to get a good set of default roles though so that main view is setup nicely. i should probably add colors and divide them up by military/crafting/administration, etc.. thoughts?
Post by: Intrinsic on March 16, 2012, 03:07:12 pm
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37/name="Gem Cutter"
# AAaSsKs
37/attributes="0.90::agility, analytical ability, spatial sense, kinesthetic sense"
37/traits=""
37/skills="0.10::30"
38/name="Gem Setter"
# ACSsKs
38/attributes="0.90::agility, creativity, spatial sense, kinesthetic sense"
38/traits=""
38/skills="0.10::31"
39/name="Fisherdwarf"
# SAFPKs
39/attributes="0.90::strength, agility, focus, patience, kinesthetic sense"
39/traits=""
39/skills="0.10::24"
40/name="Wood cutter"
40/attributes="0.90::strength, agility, endurance, willpower, spatial sense, kinesthetic sense"
40/traits=""
40/skills="0.10::1"Here is an update for [dwarf_jobs]
I know there are several more just haven't noticed them yet to add them. And obviously "Bring Crutch" would have moved to another ID so we just need to keep an eye out for that. # indicates previous values as a reminder.
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211/name = "Tan a Hide"
#211/name = "Bring Crutch"
#211/type = MEDICALOne thought on weights for things like craftdwarfs is that it just needs to be balanced so that if you get a dwarf in with 7 or 8(rough value, 6 could even be fine) already then as attribs don't effect the quality of an item the skill weight should take over as it's already at a decent level. For things like military though attribs/traits certainly do count.
Post by: thistleknot on March 16, 2012, 03:26:19 pm
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nevermind... .6 .2 .2, then if the .2 attributes were 0, then the .6 highest could be 60%. Oops
Post by: thistleknot on March 16, 2012, 03:27:46 pm
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Post by: Intrinsic on March 16, 2012, 03:34:22 pm
can you add a woodcutter as well Splinterz?
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40/name="Wood cutter"
40/attributes="0.90::strength, agility, endurance, willpower, spatial sense, kinesthetic sense"
40/traits=""
40/skills="0.10::1"
Post by: vityav on March 16, 2012, 05:14:48 pm
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In file included from src/gridviewdialog.cpp:38:0:
inc/grid_view/rolecolumn.h:44:10: error: extra qualification ‘RoleColumn::’ on member ‘write_to_ini’ [-fpermissive]
Edit <codebase>/inc/grid_view/rolecolumn.h to change Code: [Select]
RoleColumn::write_to_ini to just Code: [Select]
write_to_ini and compile from there.
Post by: splinterz on March 16, 2012, 05:22:43 pm
good catch on the write_to_ini vityav, thanks.
Post by: thistleknot on March 16, 2012, 05:27:54 pm
Btw, I made this formula, what do you think
instance = absolute averaged factored deviation:
diff = difference from mean
not a power, but instance attribute
(
(factor1*diff1)+(factor2*diff2)+(factor...*diff...)
)
/# of items
= instance
average(all stdev*weights) = factoredstdevp
I verified this factoredstdevp is factual IF all sample sizes are the same
normalcdf(instance, 0,factoredstdevp)
I'm not sure if it does what I want, but I think it factors deviations from the center more accurately. I did a few examples.
I mentioned earlier that a .6 .2 .2 weight setup means that if the .2 attributes are 0, then the highest % is .6.
With this formula, that limit seems to not be an issue. A 2500 (endurance), 0 (analytical), 0 (memory) attribute would give a 60% normally, but a 80.92 with my formula
Post by: vityav on March 16, 2012, 05:32:13 pm
Edit: Nevermind, found that the linux ini doesn't have a "physical_attrs" offset in it. Though still don't know why it reads the wrong number of dwarves.
Edit Edit: Fiddled around in memory for an hour to get the mental_attrs, and just stole the physical_attrs offset from dfhack and it works:
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physical_attrs=0x328
[soul_details]
mental_attrs=0x0068
Both work perfectly for linux 34.05. Haven't tried going backwards yet, but likely the same.
Post by: thistleknot on March 16, 2012, 05:55:35 pm
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Post by: peterix on March 16, 2012, 06:02:48 pm
DFHack now has a very basic API for communicating with external apps. It's built on top of TCP and google protobufs. I'm interested in adding a DFhack backend to DT using this. Question is, what should be included in the protocol - ideally some reasonable subset of what we have documented on DFHack side, because adding support for everything would be either a large mountain's worth of work or a large mountain's worth of generated code.
Anyone interested in this, please, look at https://github.com/peterix/df-structures and tell me what would be best to include in such a protocol. The files related to units, jobs, job types and military should be relevant. The protocol doesn't have to mirror the game's data exactly, and maybe even shouldn't, because DF can change. Even things like enums can be exposed. And it's definitely possible to filter and pre-process data on DF side, if that makes things easier to work with.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 17, 2012, 06:59:12 am
Post by: Intrinsic on March 17, 2012, 12:00:21 pm
I only noticed as i have someone who is apparently a potentially useless cook and yet is skill 9 after doing maybe 30-40(maybe more but no more than 50, fortress is less than a year old) easy meals, it makes no sense. His attribs are very average to awful, 383 for Kinesthetic Sense for example.
Another [dwarf_jobs]
Code: [Select]
218/name = "Make rock Pot"
#218/name = "Pen/Pasture Large Animal"
#218/type = ANIMAL
Post by: thistleknot on March 17, 2012, 01:10:28 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on March 17, 2012, 01:19:23 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 17, 2012, 02:54:23 pm
Some of these attribs associated with skills are bonkers, Analytical Ability for cooking? O.o
I only noticed as i have someone who is apparently a potentially useless cook and yet is skill 9 after doing maybe 30-40(maybe more but no more than 50, fortress is less than a year old) easy meals, it makes no sense. His attribs are very average to awful, 383 for Kinesthetic Sense for example.
Another [dwarf_jobs]Code: [Select]218/name = "Make rock Pot"
#218/name = "Pen/Pasture Large Animal"
#218/type = ANIMAL
most of the attributes for roles have been taken directly from the wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Attributes#Skills_by_Associated_Attributes). i'm purely working under the assumption it's not complete bs. :P perhaps we should add some default weights? in regards to your cook, it's hard to tell you what might be happening. what are your weights? do you have other cooks with more skill? way better attributes? i can take a look if you want to send me the save.
i'm pretty sure i've got all the jobs fixed, so you don't need to worry about those anymore.
Has anyone gotten a script to show up in a role? Splinterz coded it in, but when I add the role I get nan% when I hover my mouse over the column
make sure your script results in a value, and isn't a > or something like the filter scripts.
Post by: vityav on March 17, 2012, 03:04:41 pm
Post by: zwei on March 17, 2012, 03:11:57 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 17, 2012, 03:17:20 pm
Memory hacking question: Looking for the skills manually, I start by searching the creature_vector and find the dwarf I want (in this case, 0xeded6810 shows his first name). Then I add the soul offset and skills offset (now at 0xeded6fcc), and from here, looking at dwarf.cpp, there should be a vector to vectors with the type, rating, etc. But when telling DT to print that vector (the printing uses the same enumerate_vector() function), it says there are zero entries. Did I miss something, or do I need to use gdb to handle this?
depending on what offsets you're using to get to that point you may or may not be at the right place. the vector may be above/below and you'll have to poke around. i'd highly recommend looking at dfhack's df-structures for the linux offsets (i'm assuming you're trying to find the linux offsets yes?)
Post by: thistleknot on March 17, 2012, 03:20:21 pm
Quote
make sure your script results in a value, and isn't a > or something like the filter scripts.
My script has
Code: [Select]
findAlternative(avgMDeviation, avgDev)*100;
as it's last line, that results in a number between 0 to 100, but it doesn't show up.
The name of the script is Base, and in the .ini file, I have the name of the script as "Base".
What am I doing wrong here? There's not a filter operation (i.e. comparison operator).
On further note, the last line can have a >50 on it, and it will produce results.
Update:
Splinterz, how about an example that you know for sure will produce a result, then I can work mine around that.
Post by: vityav on March 17, 2012, 03:33:40 pm
depending on what offsets you're using to get to that point you may or may not be at the right place. the vector may be above/below and you'll have to poke around. i'd highly recommend looking at dfhack's df-structures for the linux offsets (i'm assuming you're trying to find the linux offsets yes?)I've actually already found the linux offsets (see top of this page), and DT automatically reads them all correctly, but I'm working on using gdb to manually change values (for, say, making an instantly legendary weaponsmith). Unethical, but educational :) In any case, both DT and dfhack treat the skills offset as pointing at a vector, DT's brute force vector printing just says there's nothing there.
So plugging in the creature_vector (0x095921ac), finding a dwarf (0xeb7398d0), adding the souls offset (0x05e8), then the skills offset (0x01d4), I should be at a vector containing a vector for each skill, right?
Post by: splinterz on March 17, 2012, 04:00:33 pm
depending on what offsets you're using to get to that point you may or may not be at the right place. the vector may be above/below and you'll have to poke around. i'd highly recommend looking at dfhack's df-structures for the linux offsets (i'm assuming you're trying to find the linux offsets yes?)I've actually already found the linux offsets (see top of this page), and DT automatically reads them all correctly, but I'm working on using gdb to manually change values (for, say, making an instantly legendary weaponsmith). Unethical, but educational :) In any case, both DT and dfhack treat the skills offset as pointing at a vector, DT's brute force vector printing just says there's nothing there.
So plugging in the creature_vector (0x095921ac), finding a dwarf (0xeb7398d0), adding the souls offset (0x05e8), then the skills offset (0x01d4), I should be at a vector containing a vector for each skill, right?
the soul offset should point to a vector, and you want the first soul in the vector. then you add the skills offset, and you should have a vector of structs which represent the skills.
Post by: vityav on March 17, 2012, 04:05:59 pm
the soul offset should point to a vector, and you want the first soul in the vector. then you add the skills offset, and you should have a vector of structs which represent the skills.
That did it :) For some reason I just assumed the m_first_soul was just the soul offset, not an element in a vector there. Does this mean dwarves can have multiple souls? Thanks for the help
Post by: splinterz on March 17, 2012, 04:14:12 pm
the soul offset should point to a vector, and you want the first soul in the vector. then you add the skills offset, and you should have a vector of structs which represent the skills.
That did it :) For some reason I just assumed the m_first_soul was just the soul offset, not an element in a vector there. Does this mean dwarves can have multiple souls? Thanks for the help
great! i made the same assumption my first attempt messing around in memory as well. i would assume that they could have multiple souls, but i haven't seen it happen yet. (i was doing testing thinking vampires would have a second soul with the fake identity. as if it could be so easy :P)
Post by: thistleknot on March 17, 2012, 04:57:06 pm
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Thank you Splinterz (exchanged via the emails).
I needed to paste the script into game_data.ini (inside the dt\etc folder).
Post by: thistleknot on March 17, 2012, 08:34:42 pm
Attributes should outweigh labors, I know labors at legendary best everything... but for simple embark and efficiency (i.e. peeps trying to come up rather than dealing with dwarves they have now), it might be best to use attributes > labors. I would say 75-95%. I myself disregard labors. I just started yesterday doing careful embarks to ensure my labors were assigned appropriately.
I don't know what skills really are yet. To me they seem a hybrid setup between attributes and labors...
So here's an alternative formula system I had going for attribute's, it's not venerated
Code: [Select]
37/name="Wood cutter"
37/attributes="1::strength:1.1,agility:1.1,endurance:1.1,willpower:0.9,spatial sense:1.2, kinesthetic sense:0.9"
37/traits=""
38/name="Trapper"
38/attributes="1::agility:1,analytical ability:1,creativity:1,spatial sense:1.1"
38/traits=""
38/skills=""
39/name="Trapper, Alt"
39/script="
function findZ(x, mean, stdev){ var result = ((x-mean)/stdev); return result}
function normalcdf(X){ var T=1/(1+.2316419*Math.abs(X)); var D=.3989423*Math.exp(-X*X/2); var Prob=D*T*(.3193815+T*(-.3565638+T*(1.781478+T*(-1.821256+T*1.330274)))); if (X>0) { Prob=1-Prob } return Prob }
function strDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(0)}
function agiDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(1)}
function tuffDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(2)}
function endDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(3)}
function recDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(4)}
function disRDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(5)}
function anaADev() {return d.attribute_stdev(6)}
function focDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(7)}
function willDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(8)}
function creDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(9)}
function intuDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(10)}
function patDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(11)}
function memDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(12)}
function linADev() {return d.attribute_stdev(13)}
function spaSDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(14)}
function musDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(15)}
function kinSDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(16)}
function empDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(17)}
function socADev(){return d.attribute_stdev(18)}
function str() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.strength(), d.attribute_mean(0), d.attribute_stdev(0)))}
function agi() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.agility(), d.attribute_mean(1), d.attribute_stdev(1)))}
function tuff() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.toughness(), d.attribute_mean(2), d.attribute_stdev(2)))}
function end() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.endurance(), d.attribute_mean(3), d.attribute_stdev(3)))}
function rec() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.recuperation(), d.attribute_mean(4), d.attribute_stdev(4)))}
function disR() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.disease_resistance(), d.attribute_mean(5), d.attribute_stdev(5)))}
function anaA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.analytical_ability(), d.attribute_mean(6), d.attribute_stdev(6)))}
function foc() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.focus(), d.attribute_mean(7), d.attribute_stdev(7)))}
function will() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.willpower(), d.attribute_mean(8), d.attribute_stdev(8)))}
function cre() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.creativity(), d.attribute_mean(9), d.attribute_stdev(9)))}
function intu() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.intuition(), d.attribute_mean(10), d.attribute_stdev(10)))}
function pat() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.patience(), d.attribute_mean(11), d.attribute_stdev(11)))}
function mem() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.memory(), d.attribute_mean(12), d.attribute_stdev(12)))}
function linA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.linguistic_ability(), d.attribute_mean(13), d.attribute_stdev(13)))}
function spaS() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.spatial_sense(), d.attribute_mean(14), d.attribute_stdev(14)))}
function mus() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.musicality(), d.attribute_mean(15), d.attribute_stdev(15)))}
function kinS() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.kinesthetic_sense(), d.attribute_mean(16), d.attribute_stdev(16)))}
function emp() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.empathy(), d.attribute_mean(17), d.attribute_stdev(17)))}
function socA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.social_awareness(), d.attribute_mean(18), d.attribute_stdev(18)))}
function d_str() {return d.strength()-d.attribute_mean(0)}
function d_agi() {return d.agility()-d.attribute_mean(1)}
function d_tuff() {return d.toughness()-d.attribute_mean(2)}
function d_end() {return d.endurance()-d.attribute_mean(3)}
function d_rec() {return d.recuperation()-d.attribute_mean(4)}
function d_disR() {return d.disease_resistance()-d.attribute_mean(5)}
function d_anaA() {return d.analytical_ability()-d.attribute_mean(6)}
function d_foc() {return d.focus()-d.attribute_mean(7)}
function d_will() {return d.willpower()-d.attribute_mean(8)}
function d_cre() {return d.creativity()-d.attribute_mean(9)}
function d_intu() {return d.intuition()-d.attribute_mean(10)}
function d_pat() {return d.patience()-d.attribute_mean(11)}
function d_mem() {return d.memory()-d.attribute_mean(12)}
function d_linA() {return d.linguistic_ability()-d.attribute_mean(13)}
function d_spaS() {return d.spatial_sense()-d.attribute_mean(14)}
function d_mus() {return d.musicality()-d.attribute_mean(15)}
function d_kinS() {return d.kinesthetic_sense()-d.attribute_mean(16)}
function d_emp() {return d.empathy()-d.attribute_mean(17)}
function d_socA() {return d.social_awareness()-d.attribute_mean(18)}
function findAlternative(x, y){return normalcdf(findZ(x, 0, y))}
totalAttributes=4;
avgMDeviation=
(
(d_agi()*1)+
(d_anaA()*1)+
(d_cre()*1)+
(d_spaS()*1.1)
)/totalAttributes;
avgDev=
(
(
(agiDev()*1)+
(anaADev()*1)+
(creDev()*1)+
(spaSDev()*1.1)
)/totalAttributes
);
findAlternative(avgMDeviation, avgDev)*100;
"
40/name="Close Combat"
40/attributes="1::strength:1.2,agility:1,toughness:1.3,endurance:1,recuperation:0.8,disease resistance:0.8,willpower:0.7,spatial sense:1.1,kinesthetic sense:0.9,focus:0.8"
40/traits=""
40/skills=""
41/name="Close Combat, alt"
41/script="
function findZ(x, mean, stdev){ var result = ((x-mean)/stdev); return result}
function normalcdf(X){ var T=1/(1+.2316419*Math.abs(X)); var D=.3989423*Math.exp(-X*X/2); var Prob=D*T*(.3193815+T*(-.3565638+T*(1.781478+T*(-1.821256+T*1.330274)))); if (X>0) { Prob=1-Prob } return Prob }
function strDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(0)}
function agiDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(1)}
function tuffDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(2)}
function endDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(3)}
function recDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(4)}
function disRDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(5)}
function anaADev() {return d.attribute_stdev(6)}
function focDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(7)}
function willDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(8)}
function creDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(9)}
function intuDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(10)}
function patDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(11)}
function memDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(12)}
function linADev() {return d.attribute_stdev(13)}
function spaSDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(14)}
function musDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(15)}
function kinSDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(16)}
function empDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(17)}
function socADev(){return d.attribute_stdev(18)}
function str() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.strength(), d.attribute_mean(0), d.attribute_stdev(0)))}
function agi() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.agility(), d.attribute_mean(1), d.attribute_stdev(1)))}
function tuff() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.toughness(), d.attribute_mean(2), d.attribute_stdev(2)))}
function end() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.endurance(), d.attribute_mean(3), d.attribute_stdev(3)))}
function rec() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.recuperation(), d.attribute_mean(4), d.attribute_stdev(4)))}
function disR() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.disease_resistance(), d.attribute_mean(5), d.attribute_stdev(5)))}
function anaA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.analytical_ability(), d.attribute_mean(6), d.attribute_stdev(6)))}
function foc() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.focus(), d.attribute_mean(7), d.attribute_stdev(7)))}
function will() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.willpower(), d.attribute_mean(8), d.attribute_stdev(8)))}
function cre() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.creativity(), d.attribute_mean(9), d.attribute_stdev(9)))}
function intu() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.intuition(), d.attribute_mean(10), d.attribute_stdev(10)))}
function pat() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.patience(), d.attribute_mean(11), d.attribute_stdev(11)))}
function mem() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.memory(), d.attribute_mean(12), d.attribute_stdev(12)))}
function linA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.linguistic_ability(), d.attribute_mean(13), d.attribute_stdev(13)))}
function spaS() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.spatial_sense(), d.attribute_mean(14), d.attribute_stdev(14)))}
function mus() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.musicality(), d.attribute_mean(15), d.attribute_stdev(15)))}
function kinS() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.kinesthetic_sense(), d.attribute_mean(16), d.attribute_stdev(16)))}
function emp() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.empathy(), d.attribute_mean(17), d.attribute_stdev(17)))}
function socA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.social_awareness(), d.attribute_mean(18), d.attribute_stdev(18)))}
function d_str() {return d.strength()-d.attribute_mean(0)}
function d_agi() {return d.agility()-d.attribute_mean(1)}
function d_tuff() {return d.toughness()-d.attribute_mean(2)}
function d_end() {return d.endurance()-d.attribute_mean(3)}
function d_rec() {return d.recuperation()-d.attribute_mean(4)}
function d_disR() {return d.disease_resistance()-d.attribute_mean(5)}
function d_anaA() {return d.analytical_ability()-d.attribute_mean(6)}
function d_foc() {return d.focus()-d.attribute_mean(7)}
function d_will() {return d.willpower()-d.attribute_mean(8)}
function d_cre() {return d.creativity()-d.attribute_mean(9)}
function d_intu() {return d.intuition()-d.attribute_mean(10)}
function d_pat() {return d.patience()-d.attribute_mean(11)}
function d_mem() {return d.memory()-d.attribute_mean(12)}
function d_linA() {return d.linguistic_ability()-d.attribute_mean(13)}
function d_spaS() {return d.spatial_sense()-d.attribute_mean(14)}
function d_mus() {return d.musicality()-d.attribute_mean(15)}
function d_kinS() {return d.kinesthetic_sense()-d.attribute_mean(16)}
function d_emp() {return d.empathy()-d.attribute_mean(17)}
function d_socA() {return d.social_awareness()-d.attribute_mean(18)}
function findAlternative(x, y){return normalcdf(findZ(x, 0, y))}
totalAttributes=10;
avgMDeviation=
(
(d_str()*1.2)+
(d_agi()*1)+
(d_tuff()*1.3)+
(d_end()*1)+
(d_rec()*.8)+
(d_disR()*.8)+
(d_will()*.7)+
(d_spaS()*1.1)+
(d_kinS()*.9)+
(d_foc()*.8)
)/totalAttributes;
avgDev=(
(
(strDev()*1.2)+
(agiDev()*1)+
(tuffDev()*1.3)+
(endDev()*1)+
(recDev()*.8)+
(disRDev()*.8)+
(willDev()*.7)+
(spaSDev()*1.1)+
(kinSDev()*.9)+
(focDev()*.8)
)
/totalAttributes);
Math.round(findAlternative(avgMDeviation, avgDev)*100);
"Update:
Forgot to apply weights to sdev's... oops.
Also removed d_can_set_labor references that were throwing stuff off
This example uses the mean and sdev methods that Splinterz provided vs static ones.
Post by: AnnanFay on March 18, 2012, 07:11:04 pm
I don't know what skills really are yet. To me they seem a hybrid setup between attributes and labors...
The whole terminology is very confusing.
The black squares on the labours screen in Dwarf Therapist represent the Skill that's associated with the labour. You choose your starting skills not starting labours. (labour = original UK spelling :P)
So you get dwarves with Legendary skills not legendary labours. Some labours don't have skills, hence don't have squares in DT. Labours are groupings of related actions governed by a skill, or skills. Noble positions can pretty much be treated as labours as well.
Edit: I see Professions as completly player defined grouping of related dwarf activites (ie. what your dwarf does). Though there are built in professions which are mapped to the dwarf's highest skill.
I'm not sure if attributes are connected to labours, skills or actions. It could be that different actions within a labour group have different formula using different attributes as far as I know.
Much more SCIENCE needs done!!!!! :D
Post by: brucemo on March 18, 2012, 07:17:25 pm
I'm running with Windows 7, and the "edit script" menu option does nothing. I made some scripts and saved them. Now I can't access them. Where are these scripts stored please? I've dug through the source code and that was no help.
Post by: plaidman on March 18, 2012, 07:20:48 pm
PROBLEM:
I want to package DwarfFortress into a .app file, and maintain compatibility with DwarfTherapist.
CONTROL:
First I tested the control, just to be sure. I fired up the non-apped DF, embarked in a world, and fired up DT. Everything works great. I'm able to load dwarfs' skills and change their jobs perfectly.
TEST 1:
Next I packaged up everything into DwarfFortress.app (thanks Google), fired it up, and it works fine. Now to try it with DT... nothing. "Unable to locate a running copy of Dwarf Fortress." is the error message. Why did this happen? Obviously something in DT is looking for a specific process running. What's changed about the installation? I basically just moved it into a different folder!
Note: For those who don't know, osx .app files are basically folders with .app at the end.
OBSERVATION 1:
I figured out that when running DwarfFortress.app, the process is actually called DwarfFortress, regardless of the executable file that gets run inside the .app directory. I also figured out with a bit of intuition that it's looking for a process called dwarfort.exe.
TEST 2:
I changed the DwarfFortress.app folder to dwarfort.exe.app (stupid, I know). Ran it, ran DT, got a different error message: "I don't know how to talk to this version of Dwarf Fortress. Checksum: 0x00000000". A different error message is good; it recognizes that DF is running, but it apparently doesn't recognize the version.
OBSERVATION 2:
With a bit of searching, I found that DT has a config file that has the a checksum of each version of DF, so it knows which version is running and which memory offsets to use. I also learned that it uses the path of the running process to calculate the checksum. Since dwarfort.exe.app is really just a folder, it probably fails and returns 0x00000000 instead of a "real" checksum.
TEST 3:
I opened that config file (DwarfTherapist.app/Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.05.ini) and changed the checksum line to 0x00000000, fire it up and voila, it works perfectly!
OBSERVATION 3:
This worked but it's not ideal. When a new version of DF was released, if we changed that config file to 0x0000000, I believe DT would think it's the older version or crash. Also, we'd want to be able to name the .app file whatever we want. Let's see if we can do that.
TEST 4:
First, I renamed the .app to something a little cleaner (DwarfFortress.app). Next I did a slight modification to DF itself. I added an & at the end of the command that starts the dwarfort.exe process. This made it fire up dwarfort.exe in its own process called - you guessed it - dwarfort.exe! I reverted the config file to have its old checksum. Tested, and everything worked!
OBSERVATION 4:
This was great too, but again not perfect. If you have the .app in the dock and you run it, you'll end up with two icons in the dock - one for DwarfFortress.app and one for dwarfort.exe. Another problem is whenever you update to a new version of DF, you'll have to remember to add that & on the last line of the df file.
CONCLUSION:
We have two solutions: One will potentially give us a duplicate icon on the dock (if you keep the .app there) and the other will require a specific .app name to work. Additionally, both will require us to maintain a file in DT or DF if the versions update.
Ideally, if the dev were to add just two extra config options, we could define the exact exe file on the filesystem to be used for checksumming and we could define the process name to see where the memory chunks start (or however that works). That way we can have the .app called anything we want, and we wouldn't have to start the dwarfort.exe in its own process! In reality, I'm sure it would take far too much work to add these things, so I'm not holding my breath, but a guy can dream...
If you made it this far, I appreciate you sticking with my wall of text. If you have any comments, corrections to any of my assumptions made here, or solutions I might not have thought of please please let me know.
Post by: MarcAFK on March 18, 2012, 11:04:20 pm
I'm sure he isn't a vampire because he has thoughts about sleeping in the dirt, drinking filthy water, etc.
EDIT: Attempting to make some squads i'm seeing the same thing with someone else.
Post by: thistleknot on March 19, 2012, 12:12:00 am
It's taken a lot of trial and error, but in theory, what it does is give more weight to deviations from the mean, as well as give a wider spread of %.
Here's a taste of what I've been working on:
Code: [Select]
37/name="Wood cutter"
37/attributes="1::strength:1.1,agility:1.1,endurance:1.1,willpower:0.9,spatial sense:1.2, kinesthetic sense:0.9"
37/traits=""
38/name="Trapper"
38/attributes="1::agility:1,analytical ability:1,creativity:1,spatial sense:1.1"
38/traits=""
38/skills=""
39/name="Trapper, Alt"
39/script="
function findZ(x, mean, stdev){ var result = ((x-mean)/stdev); return result}
function normalcdf(X){ var T=1/(1+.2316419*Math.abs(X)); var D=.3989423*Math.exp(-X*X/2); var Prob=D*T*(.3193815+T*(-.3565638+T*(1.781478+T*(-1.821256+T*1.330274)))); if (X>0) { Prob=1-Prob } return Prob }
function strDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(0)}
function agiDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(1)}
function tuffDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(2)}
function endDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(3)}
function recDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(4)}
function disRDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(5)}
function anaADev() {return d.attribute_stdev(6)}
function focDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(7)}
function willDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(8)}
function creDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(9)}
function intuDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(10)}
function patDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(11)}
function memDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(12)}
function linADev() {return d.attribute_stdev(13)}
function spaSDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(14)}
function musDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(15)}
function kinSDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(16)}
function empDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(17)}
function socADev(){return d.attribute_stdev(18)}
function str() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.strength(), d.attribute_mean(0), d.attribute_stdev(0)))}
function agi() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.agility(), d.attribute_mean(1), d.attribute_stdev(1)))}
function tuff() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.toughness(), d.attribute_mean(2), d.attribute_stdev(2)))}
function end() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.endurance(), d.attribute_mean(3), d.attribute_stdev(3)))}
function rec() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.recuperation(), d.attribute_mean(4), d.attribute_stdev(4)))}
function disR() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.disease_resistance(), d.attribute_mean(5), d.attribute_stdev(5)))}
function anaA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.analytical_ability(), d.attribute_mean(6), d.attribute_stdev(6)))}
function foc() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.focus(), d.attribute_mean(7), d.attribute_stdev(7)))}
function will() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.willpower(), d.attribute_mean(8), d.attribute_stdev(8)))}
function cre() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.creativity(), d.attribute_mean(9), d.attribute_stdev(9)))}
function intu() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.intuition(), d.attribute_mean(10), d.attribute_stdev(10)))}
function pat() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.patience(), d.attribute_mean(11), d.attribute_stdev(11)))}
function mem() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.memory(), d.attribute_mean(12), d.attribute_stdev(12)))}
function linA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.linguistic_ability(), d.attribute_mean(13), d.attribute_stdev(13)))}
function spaS() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.spatial_sense(), d.attribute_mean(14), d.attribute_stdev(14)))}
function mus() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.musicality(), d.attribute_mean(15), d.attribute_stdev(15)))}
function kinS() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.kinesthetic_sense(), d.attribute_mean(16), d.attribute_stdev(16)))}
function emp() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.empathy(), d.attribute_mean(17), d.attribute_stdev(17)))}
function socA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.social_awareness(), d.attribute_mean(18), d.attribute_stdev(18)))}
function d_str() {return d.strength()-d.attribute_mean(0)}
function d_agi() {return d.agility()-d.attribute_mean(1)}
function d_tuff() {return d.toughness()-d.attribute_mean(2)}
function d_end() {return d.endurance()-d.attribute_mean(3)}
function d_rec() {return d.recuperation()-d.attribute_mean(4)}
function d_disR() {return d.disease_resistance()-d.attribute_mean(5)}
function d_anaA() {return d.analytical_ability()-d.attribute_mean(6)}
function d_foc() {return d.focus()-d.attribute_mean(7)}
function d_will() {return d.willpower()-d.attribute_mean(8)}
function d_cre() {return d.creativity()-d.attribute_mean(9)}
function d_intu() {return d.intuition()-d.attribute_mean(10)}
function d_pat() {return d.patience()-d.attribute_mean(11)}
function d_mem() {return d.memory()-d.attribute_mean(12)}
function d_linA() {return d.linguistic_ability()-d.attribute_mean(13)}
function d_spaS() {return d.spatial_sense()-d.attribute_mean(14)}
function d_mus() {return d.musicality()-d.attribute_mean(15)}
function d_kinS() {return d.kinesthetic_sense()-d.attribute_mean(16)}
function d_emp() {return d.empathy()-d.attribute_mean(17)}
function d_socA() {return d.social_awareness()-d.attribute_mean(18)}
function findAlternative(x, y){return normalcdf(findZ(x, 0, y))}
totalAttributes=4;
avgMDeviation=
(
(d_agi()*1)+
(d_anaA()*1)+
(d_cre()*1)+
(d_spaS()*1.1)
)/totalAttributes;
avgDev=
Math.sqrt
(
(
Math.pow((agiDev()*1),2)+
Math.pow((anaADev()*1),2)+
Math.pow((creDev()*1),2)+
Math.pow((spaSDev()*1.1),2)
)
/
totalAttributes
);
findAlternative(avgMDeviation, avgDev)*100;
"
40/name="Close Combat"
40/attributes="1::strength:1.2,agility:1,toughness:1.3,endurance:1,recuperation:0.8,disease resistance:0.8,willpower:0.7,spatial sense:1.1,kinesthetic sense:0.9,focus:0.8"
40/traits=""
40/skills=""
41/name="Close Combat, alt"
41/script="
function findZ(x, mean, stdev){ var result = ((x-mean)/stdev); return result}
function normalcdf(X){ var T=1/(1+.2316419*Math.abs(X)); var D=.3989423*Math.exp(-X*X/2); var Prob=D*T*(.3193815+T*(-.3565638+T*(1.781478+T*(-1.821256+T*1.330274)))); if (X>0) { Prob=1-Prob } return Prob }
function strDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(0)}
function agiDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(1)}
function tuffDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(2)}
function endDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(3)}
function recDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(4)}
function disRDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(5)}
function anaADev() {return d.attribute_stdev(6)}
function focDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(7)}
function willDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(8)}
function creDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(9)}
function intuDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(10)}
function patDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(11)}
function memDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(12)}
function linADev() {return d.attribute_stdev(13)}
function spaSDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(14)}
function musDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(15)}
function kinSDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(16)}
function empDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(17)}
function socADev(){return d.attribute_stdev(18)}
function str() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.strength(), d.attribute_mean(0), d.attribute_stdev(0)))}
function agi() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.agility(), d.attribute_mean(1), d.attribute_stdev(1)))}
function tuff() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.toughness(), d.attribute_mean(2), d.attribute_stdev(2)))}
function end() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.endurance(), d.attribute_mean(3), d.attribute_stdev(3)))}
function rec() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.recuperation(), d.attribute_mean(4), d.attribute_stdev(4)))}
function disR() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.disease_resistance(), d.attribute_mean(5), d.attribute_stdev(5)))}
function anaA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.analytical_ability(), d.attribute_mean(6), d.attribute_stdev(6)))}
function foc() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.focus(), d.attribute_mean(7), d.attribute_stdev(7)))}
function will() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.willpower(), d.attribute_mean(8), d.attribute_stdev(8)))}
function cre() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.creativity(), d.attribute_mean(9), d.attribute_stdev(9)))}
function intu() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.intuition(), d.attribute_mean(10), d.attribute_stdev(10)))}
function pat() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.patience(), d.attribute_mean(11), d.attribute_stdev(11)))}
function mem() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.memory(), d.attribute_mean(12), d.attribute_stdev(12)))}
function linA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.linguistic_ability(), d.attribute_mean(13), d.attribute_stdev(13)))}
function spaS() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.spatial_sense(), d.attribute_mean(14), d.attribute_stdev(14)))}
function mus() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.musicality(), d.attribute_mean(15), d.attribute_stdev(15)))}
function kinS() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.kinesthetic_sense(), d.attribute_mean(16), d.attribute_stdev(16)))}
function emp() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.empathy(), d.attribute_mean(17), d.attribute_stdev(17)))}
function socA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.social_awareness(), d.attribute_mean(18), d.attribute_stdev(18)))}
function d_str() {return d.strength()-d.attribute_mean(0)}
function d_agi() {return d.agility()-d.attribute_mean(1)}
function d_tuff() {return d.toughness()-d.attribute_mean(2)}
function d_end() {return d.endurance()-d.attribute_mean(3)}
function d_rec() {return d.recuperation()-d.attribute_mean(4)}
function d_disR() {return d.disease_resistance()-d.attribute_mean(5)}
function d_anaA() {return d.analytical_ability()-d.attribute_mean(6)}
function d_foc() {return d.focus()-d.attribute_mean(7)}
function d_will() {return d.willpower()-d.attribute_mean(8)}
function d_cre() {return d.creativity()-d.attribute_mean(9)}
function d_intu() {return d.intuition()-d.attribute_mean(10)}
function d_pat() {return d.patience()-d.attribute_mean(11)}
function d_mem() {return d.memory()-d.attribute_mean(12)}
function d_linA() {return d.linguistic_ability()-d.attribute_mean(13)}
function d_spaS() {return d.spatial_sense()-d.attribute_mean(14)}
function d_mus() {return d.musicality()-d.attribute_mean(15)}
function d_kinS() {return d.kinesthetic_sense()-d.attribute_mean(16)}
function d_emp() {return d.empathy()-d.attribute_mean(17)}
function d_socA() {return d.social_awareness()-d.attribute_mean(18)}
function findAlternative(x, y){return normalcdf(findZ(x, 0, y))}
totalAttributes=10;
avgMDeviation=
(
(d_str()*1.2)+
(d_agi()*1)+
(d_tuff()*1.3)+
(d_end()*1)+
(d_rec()*.8)+
(d_disR()*.8)+
(d_will()*.7)+
(d_spaS()*1.1)+
(d_kinS()*.9)+
(d_foc()*.8)
)/totalAttributes;
avgDev=
Math.sqrt
(
(
Math.pow((strDev() *1.2) ,2) +
Math.pow((agiDev() *1) ,2) +
Math.pow((tuffDev() *1.3) ,2) +
Math.pow((endDev() *1) ,2) +
Math.pow((recDev() *.8) ,2) +
Math.pow((disRDev() *.8) ,2) +
Math.pow((willDev() *.7) ,2) +
Math.pow((spaSDev() *1.1) ,2) +
Math.pow((kinSDev() *.9) ,2) +
Math.pow((focDev() *.8) ,2)
)
/
totalAttributes
);
Math.round(findAlternative(avgMDeviation, avgDev)*100);
"
Post by: Intrinsic on March 19, 2012, 04:15:34 am
waffle
most of the attributes for roles have been taken directly from the wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Attributes#Skills_by_Associated_Attributes). i'm purely working under the assumption it's not complete bs. :P perhaps we should add some default weights? in regards to your cook, it's hard to tell you what might be happening. what are your weights? do you have other cooks with more skill? way better attributes? i can take a look if you want to send me the save.
i'm pretty sure i've got all the jobs fixed, so you don't need to worry about those anymore.
Yeah i know it's from the wiki not you ;p some of them just don't make sense though in my mind. For the weights i just 90% on attribs, 10% on skills. I have no other cooks, it was a young embark.
On general weights, i wonder if Toady assigned any importance to specific skills for each profession. Usually he's very detailed when it comes to things like this so maybe he did. Taking the cook as an example, would KS be that important? whereas for a melee soldier/wrestler it should be very important. Should physical vs mental attribs be weighted differently...well i guess we could go on forever and i doubt we'll never know for sure anyways. I think it best just to keep things simple for now :)
Post by: splinterz on March 19, 2012, 04:23:03 am
waffle
most of the attributes for roles have been taken directly from the wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Attributes#Skills_by_Associated_Attributes). i'm purely working under the assumption it's not complete bs. :P perhaps we should add some default weights? in regards to your cook, it's hard to tell you what might be happening. what are your weights? do you have other cooks with more skill? way better attributes? i can take a look if you want to send me the save.
i'm pretty sure i've got all the jobs fixed, so you don't need to worry about those anymore.
Yeah i know it's from the wiki not you ;p some of them just don't make sense though in my mind. For the weights i just 90% on attribs, 10% on skills. I have no other cooks, it was a young embark.
On general weights, i wonder if Toady assigned any importance to specific skills for each profession. Usually he's very detailed when it comes to things like this so maybe he did. Taking the cook as an example, would KS be that important? whereas for a melee soldier/wrestler it should be very important. Should physical vs mental attribs be weighted differently...well i guess we could go on forever and i doubt we'll never know for sure anyways. I think it best just to keep things simple for now :)
yeah i'm not happy with the current method to determine the ratings either, it certainly has some flaws which i'm hoping i can correct using thistleknot's work. since we don't know if any attributes are weighted, the safest bet is just to leave the weighting of individual aspects at 1.0 and just apply a global weight to aspect groups as you did. this is what i intend to do with the default roles i'll have packaged in, as i'm assuming most people will never bother tweaking individual weights.
Post by: MarcAFK on March 20, 2012, 12:00:30 am
Post by: Kaer Fyzarc on March 20, 2012, 01:49:00 am
Now the problem is DT does not see the baby, It's name is nowhere to be found, my bookkeeper reports 53 dwarfs, DF only 52. Has DF already given up on this broken baby? Surely this baby is not a vampire?
Post by: Intrinsic on March 20, 2012, 04:46:43 am
yeah i'm not happy with the current method to determine the ratings either, it certainly has some flaws which i'm hoping i can correct using thistleknot's work. since we don't know if any attributes are weighted, the safest bet is just to leave the weighting of individual aspects at 1.0 and just apply a global weight to aspect groups as you did. this is what i intend to do with the default roles i'll have packaged in, as i'm assuming most people will never bother tweaking individual weights.
Just found this which may be of interest from a FotF post by Toady:
Q: Attributes are supposed to impact performance at various tasks, but according to my testing impact of attributes on quality of products is completely unimportant compared to skill. There is no noticeable difference between "legendary carpenter with a boundless creative imagination" and "legendary carpenter (with average creativity)". Is it intended?
A: It's not intended, but that is how it is, for all attributes and all skills (with some combat related exceptions probably). In response to the discussion, creativity is an attribute for carpentry and it does effect the roll, but skill outpaces it. To check, just ran a test - an unskilled, meager creativity dwarf with no other notable atts made 10 lowest quality items, where an unskilled, great creativity dwarf with no other notable atts had 5 come out well-crafted. Once they are legendary and churning out exceptional goods and masterpieces, it doesn't matter anymore. I don't want attributes to dominate the game, but I think they should be important even at the highest levels. It kind of makes me want to split quality into different categories though.
So, i would guess it's similar for all crafting in which case creativity could have more value as an attribute.
Post by: splinterz on March 20, 2012, 05:08:32 am
I feel horrible, I had a bit of a cavein accident, one miner died, other one knocked unconscious. Worst thing, one had a baby on the job. 6 days old. Baby survived, but had both legs broken and lower spine broken. The mother was the one knocked unconscious I think, (similar names, is that how it works?), but she just left the baby. Baby crawled all the way back to the dining hall, draging it's broken body along.i wouldn't mind getting my hands on that save to take a look if it's not too much trouble.
Now the problem is DT does not see the baby, It's name is nowhere to be found, my bookkeeper reports 53 dwarfs, DF only 52. Has DF already given up on this broken baby? Surely this baby is not a vampire?
Just found this which may be of interest from a FotF post by Toady:
Q: Attributes are supposed to impact performance at various tasks, but according to my testing impact of attributes on quality of products is completely unimportant compared to skill. There is no noticeable difference between "legendary carpenter with a boundless creative imagination" and "legendary carpenter (with average creativity)". Is it intended?
A: It's not intended, but that is how it is, for all attributes and all skills (with some combat related exceptions probably). In response to the discussion, creativity is an attribute for carpentry and it does effect the roll, but skill outpaces it. To check, just ran a test - an unskilled, meager creativity dwarf with no other notable atts made 10 lowest quality items, where an unskilled, great creativity dwarf with no other notable atts had 5 come out well-crafted. Once they are legendary and churning out exceptional goods and masterpieces, it doesn't matter anymore. I don't want attributes to dominate the game, but I think they should be important even at the highest levels. It kind of makes me want to split quality into different categories though.
So, i would guess it's similar for all crafting in which case creativity could have more value as an attribute.
that's very interesting. i'll have to make sure that for the default roles i'm giving creativity a heavier weight for craft related roles. in general though it sounds like what was previously mentioned for the general/global weights should be accurate as well. that being skills > traits > attributes for the defaults. it'll still be possible to change that for those who prefer different balancing.
Post by: thistleknot on March 20, 2012, 07:59:16 pm
Code: [Select]
Close Combat, alt"
1/script="
function findZ(x, mean, stdev){ var result = ((x-mean)/stdev); return result}
function normalcdf(X){ var T=1/(1+.2316419*Math.abs(X)); var D=.3989423*Math.exp(-X*X/2); var Prob=D*T*(.3193815+T*(-.3565638+T*(1.781478+T*(-1.821256+T*1.330274)))); if (X>0) { Prob=1-Prob } return Prob }
function strDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(0)}
function agiDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(1)}
function tuffDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(2)}
function endDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(3)}
function recDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(4)}
function disRDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(5)}
function anaADev() {return d.attribute_stdev(6)}
function focDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(7)}
function willDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(8)}
function creDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(9)}
function intuDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(10)}
function patDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(11)}
function memDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(12)}
function linADev() {return d.attribute_stdev(13)}
function spaSDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(14)}
function musDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(15)}
function kinSDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(16)}
function empDev() {return d.attribute_stdev(17)}
function socADev(){return d.attribute_stdev(18)}
function str() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.strength(), d.attribute_mean(0), d.attribute_stdev(0)))}
function agi() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.agility(), d.attribute_mean(1), d.attribute_stdev(1)))}
function tuff() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.toughness(), d.attribute_mean(2), d.attribute_stdev(2)))}
function end() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.endurance(), d.attribute_mean(3), d.attribute_stdev(3)))}
function rec() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.recuperation(), d.attribute_mean(4), d.attribute_stdev(4)))}
function disR() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.disease_resistance(), d.attribute_mean(5), d.attribute_stdev(5)))}
function anaA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.analytical_ability(), d.attribute_mean(6), d.attribute_stdev(6)))}
function foc() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.focus(), d.attribute_mean(7), d.attribute_stdev(7)))}
function will() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.willpower(), d.attribute_mean(8), d.attribute_stdev(8)))}
function cre() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.creativity(), d.attribute_mean(9), d.attribute_stdev(9)))}
function intu() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.intuition(), d.attribute_mean(10), d.attribute_stdev(10)))}
function pat() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.patience(), d.attribute_mean(11), d.attribute_stdev(11)))}
function mem() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.memory(), d.attribute_mean(12), d.attribute_stdev(12)))}
function linA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.linguistic_ability(), d.attribute_mean(13), d.attribute_stdev(13)))}
function spaS() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.spatial_sense(), d.attribute_mean(14), d.attribute_stdev(14)))}
function mus() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.musicality(), d.attribute_mean(15), d.attribute_stdev(15)))}
function kinS() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.kinesthetic_sense(), d.attribute_mean(16), d.attribute_stdev(16)))}
function emp() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.empathy(), d.attribute_mean(17), d.attribute_stdev(17)))}
function socA() {return normalcdf(findZ(d.social_awareness(), d.attribute_mean(18), d.attribute_stdev(18)))}
function d_str() {return d.strength()-d.attribute_mean(0)}
function d_agi() {return d.agility()-d.attribute_mean(1)}
function d_tuff() {return d.toughness()-d.attribute_mean(2)}
function d_end() {return d.endurance()-d.attribute_mean(3)}
function d_rec() {return d.recuperation()-d.attribute_mean(4)}
function d_disR() {return d.disease_resistance()-d.attribute_mean(5)}
function d_anaA() {return d.analytical_ability()-d.attribute_mean(6)}
function d_foc() {return d.focus()-d.attribute_mean(7)}
function d_will() {return d.willpower()-d.attribute_mean(8)}
function d_cre() {return d.creativity()-d.attribute_mean(9)}
function d_intu() {return d.intuition()-d.attribute_mean(10)}
function d_pat() {return d.patience()-d.attribute_mean(11)}
function d_mem() {return d.memory()-d.attribute_mean(12)}
function d_linA() {return d.linguistic_ability()-d.attribute_mean(13)}
function d_spaS() {return d.spatial_sense()-d.attribute_mean(14)}
function d_mus() {return d.musicality()-d.attribute_mean(15)}
function d_kinS() {return d.kinesthetic_sense()-d.attribute_mean(16)}
function d_emp() {return d.empathy()-d.attribute_mean(17)}
function d_socA() {return d.social_awareness()-d.attribute_mean(18)}
function findAlternative(x, y){return normalcdf(findZ(x, 0, y))}
totalAttributes=10;
avgMDeviation=
(
((d_str()/strDev())*1.2)+
((d_agi()/agiDev())*1)+
((d_tuff()/tuffDev())*1.3)+
((d_end()/endDev())*1)+
((d_rec()/recDev())*.8)+
((d_disR()/disRDev())*.8)+
((d_will()/willDev())*.7)+
((d_spaS()/spaSDev())*1.1)+
((d_kinS()/kinSDev())*.9)+
((d_foc()/focDev())*.8)
)/totalAttributes;
avgDev=
Math.sqrt
(
(
Math.pow(1.2,2)+
Math.pow(1,2)+
Math.pow(1.3,2)+
Math.pow(1,2)+
Math.pow(.8,2)+
Math.pow(.8,2)+
Math.pow(.7,2)+
Math.pow(1.1,2)+
Math.pow(.9,2)+
Math.pow(.8,2)
)
/
totalAttributes
);
Math.round(findAlternative(avgMDeviation, avgDev)*100)"
Post by: Intrinsic on March 21, 2012, 03:32:47 am
I feel horrible, I had a bit of a cavein accident, one miner died, other one knocked unconscious. Worst thing, one had a baby on the job. 6 days old. Baby survived, but had both legs broken and lower spine broken. The mother was the one knocked unconscious I think, (similar names, is that how it works?), but she just left the baby. Baby crawled all the way back to the dining hall, draging it's broken body along.i wouldn't mind getting my hands on that save to take a look if it's not too much trouble.
Now the problem is DT does not see the baby, It's name is nowhere to be found, my bookkeeper reports 53 dwarfs, DF only 52. Has DF already given up on this broken baby? Surely this baby is not a vampire?
I found something you may be interested in, vampires have THREE different names? O.o (see screenshot)
Spoiler: Screenshot in here (click to show/hide)
Order of events:
I knew i had a vamp somewhere, then someone got accused.
I couldn't see the accused's name in DT which confused me, so i checked in Legends Viewer and again couldn't see them.
I turned on the cheat option in DT to show them. And up comes the purple dude, but i can't find his name in game and doesn't match the accused.
I entered the 1st name of the guy into LV and at the top was the guy with the same kill as the accused Vampire ingame.
Save: http://www.zenadsl5706.zen.co.uk/DF/3NameVamp.rar (http://www.zenadsl5706.zen.co.uk/DF/3NameVamp.rar)
Post by: Kogut on March 21, 2012, 05:16:50 am
Post by: splinterz on March 21, 2012, 02:11:06 pm
it's very important that if you've created custom roles in the game_data.ini you save them and move them to the dwarf therapist.ini after updating
Changes:
- removed the labels for strength, agility, etc. on the dwarf details pane, and added a new table for attributes similar to traits and skills.
- modified the role rating system, it should be much more accurate now (credit to Thistleknot for all his hard work)
- added attribute, trait and skills global weights to the options (set to 1.0)
- after saving options, you are now prompted to read the dwarves again, as most options require a read.
- added many more default roles
- changed the syntax of custom roles. see the game_data.ini for plenty of examples
- updated all craft related roles to weigh creativity the most
- custom roles have been moved to the dwarf therapist.ini. they should be added under the [custom_roles] heading
- custom roles can now override a default role column if it is given the same name
- d.skill_mean(id), d.skill_stdev(id), d.trait_mean(id), d.trait_stdev(id) have been added for scripting purposes
- scripted role columns will now draw correctly as long as the value is between 0 and 100
- all menus when adding columns to custom views can be 'torn off' to aid in adding many columns at once (click the --- line at the top to tear off)
- fixed changed/missing current jobs
- migrants will show in in DT properly again before they're on the map
Spoiler: Role Guide (click to show/hide)
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?4c30zaxfuypsf58)
source (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: khearn on March 21, 2012, 05:52:16 pm
In the version of Therapist packaged with Masterwork 1.5.1+, I can't load all migrants into Therapist as soon as the game pauses with the "Some migrants have arrived" message. They only appear in Therapist after they have moved onto the game screen. I've never had this problem before. It's very useful to be able to see all your migrants as soon as the game pauses so you can easily modify their labors immediately instead of watching the screen until no more have come for a while.
I believe Meph is using splinterz's patched version as of 1.5.1, so maybe it's a consequence of his changes? Anyone else notice this?
I'm using splinterz's version from a week or so ago (before the new roles stuff), and I'm also seeing the same thing.
In the "official" version, when a new migration wave arrived, I could read dwarves and sort by migration wave, and there would be a new wave with all the new dwarves, even ones that weren't yet on the map.
In this version, when I get the message for a new wave, if I read and sort by migration wave, it doesn't show a new wave, but there will be one new dwarf in the latest old wave. If I unpause until the second dwarf from the wave appears on the map, then re-read the dwarves in DT, there are now two new dwarves in the latest wave (but still not a new wave). At some point a new wave will appear in DT, but I think it's not until all the dwarves from the the new wave are on the map.
I do miss having all of the new dwarves appear at once in a separate wave so I can sort through them right away. Even if they only show up in DT as they enter the map, they should at least appear in a separate wave from the last bunch. It's a pain having to try and find the new guy when the last wave had 30 dwarves. Especially if the name shown in DF doesn't match the name in DT (and you know what that means!)
Edit: As long as I'm posting, I'll add 3 things.
First and foremost: Many, many thanks to those who have contributed to this project. I can't imagine playing DF without DT.
Second: Would it be possible to make it so I can sort by two columns? For instance, if I goto the military tab and sort by strength, the Endurance column is random. If I then sort by endurance, the strength column is random. I'd like to be able to have it show the strongest first, and when strength is equal, sort by endurance. And where both are equal, sort buy toughness, and so on.
Third: Would it be possible to also not reset the sorting when I re-read the dwarves and/or switch tabs? I tend to go to the military tab and sort by fighting and look down the list for potential soldiers. But once I pick a likely draftee, I want to check his labors to make sure he's not the only woodcutter i have (for example). Then when I switch back to the military tab, I have to re-sort again. Or another example is when I want to see why no one is smelting the ore in the queue at the smelter and I sort by furnace operating to see who has it enabled. Then a little while later I re-read the dwarves to see who is doing what, and they get re-sorted by name so I have to select furnace operator again. It seems like it ought to be able to remember what I had things sorted by on each tab.
Post by: splinterz on March 21, 2012, 06:45:17 pm
originally when i was figuring out how to implement roles my first thought was just to create scripts and sort on multiple columns. unfortunately with the current code library sorting on multiple columns doesn't seem to be supported and it'll be a bit of work to implement it, but anything is possible with enough time. for what you're describing though, i'd highly recommend checking out the roles. a simple way of thinking of them is performing a multiple sort, but in a single column.
i briefly looked into the tab switching/sorting while i was doing the role stuff and again there should be a way to do it, it'll just take time to poke around and find the necessary bits and pieces to put it together. which is damned slow for me since i've never used qt up until a month ago so i have to look up documentation for everything :P
Post by: ratchet freak on March 21, 2012, 07:29:53 pm
Post by: Kaer Fyzarc on March 21, 2012, 11:23:00 pm
I feel horrible, I had a bit of a cavein accident, one miner died, other one knocked unconscious. Worst thing, one had a baby on the job. 6 days old. Baby survived, but had both legs broken and lower spine broken. The mother was the one knocked unconscious I think, (similar names, is that how it works?), but she just left the baby. Baby crawled all the way back to the dining hall, draging it's broken body along.
Now the problem is DT does not see the baby, It's name is nowhere to be found, my bookkeeper reports 53 dwarfs, DF only 52. Has DF already given up on this broken baby? Surely this baby is not a vampire?
Here is the save game:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1940986/region1.zip
after rebooting and playing on, the baby is still crawling around with broken back and legs (maybe a zombie ;) I don't think a newborn will survive 2 broken legs and a back for very long.) and DT doesn't think it exhists.
edit: oh and it was the mother of the baby killed in the cave in. The father is around, but hey he doesn't care.
Post by: thistleknot on March 21, 2012, 11:39:20 pm
"Hell yeah!"
If it weren't a forum, I'd drop the f bomb.
Thank you Splinterz. I wish I had your skills, like bow hunting or computer hacking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TejWxbJ02xw#t=0m12s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TejWxbJ02xw#t=0m12s)
Post by: vityav on March 22, 2012, 01:02:22 am
In order to use it in dwarf.cpp, I have to declare it in inc/dwarfinstance.h as:
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virtual int write_short(const VIRTADDR &addr, const short &val) = 0;If I declare it in all the dwarfinstancelinux files, not use it in dwarf.cpp, and not declare it in dwarfinstance.h, it will compile fine and run fine. The moment I add that line though, it starts to segfault.
From gdb:
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Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
DFInstanceLinux::read_raw (this=0xfee3b0, addr=@0x1, bytes=8, buffer=...) at src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:220
220 for(VIRTADDR ptr = addr; ptr < addr+ bytes; ptr += step_size) {
And the last few lines of the trace log:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I assume it has something to do with this comment in write_raw():
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* On x86-64 systems, the size that POKEDATA writes is 8 bytes instead of
* 4, so we need to use the sizeof( long ) as our step size.
but is there any way to get around that? (Because naively making stepsize be sizeof(short) didn't help either :P )Thanks
Edit: I have tried reading in the short 0x04 before in memory, concatenating the two unsigned into an int, then writing them both back with write_int(), but that doesn't seem to work at all (does mess things up nicely, though)
Post by: AdeleneDawner on March 22, 2012, 03:49:17 am
Am I supposed to start numbering them at 1, or at 47 to follow the default roles? (I'm starting at 1.)
If I have a typo somewhere, would that cause them not to load?
Any other gotchas I might be running into?
Here's what I added to game_data.ini:
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[custom_roles]
size=22
1/name="% Bonecarver"
1/attributes/size=5
1/attributes/1/id=agility
1/attributes/1/weight=0.5
1/attributes/2/id=endurance
1/attributes/2/weight=0.5
1/attributes/3/id=creativity
1/attributes/3/weight=1.0
1/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
1/attributes/4/weight=0.5
1/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
1/attributes/5/weight=0.5
1/skills/size=1
1/skills/1/id=37
2/name="% Leatherworker"
2/attributes/size=6
2/attributes/1/id=strength
2/attributes/2/id=agility
2/attributes/3/id=endurance
2/attributes/4/id=creatvity
2/attributes/5/id=spatial sense
2/attributes/6/id=kinesthetic sense
2/skills/size=1
2/skills/1/id=36
3/name="* Hauler"
3/attributes/size=18
3/attributes/1/id=-strength
3/attributes/2/id=-agility
3/attributes/3/id=-toughness
3/attributes/4/id=-endurance
3/attributes/5/id=-disease resistance
3/attributes/6/id=-recuperation
3/attributes/7/id=-analytical ability
3/attributes/8/id=-creatvity
3/attributes/9/id=-empathy
3/attributes/10/id=-focus
3/attributes/11/id=-intuition
3/attributes/12/id=-kinesthetic sense
3/attributes/13/id=-linguistic ability
3/attributes/14/id=-memory
3/attributes/15/id=-patience
3/attributes/16/id=-social awareness
3/attributes/17/id=-spatial sense
3/attributes/18/id=-willpower
4/name="+ Medic"
4/attributes/size=3
4/attributes/1/id=analytical ability
4/attributes/2/id=memory
4/attributes/3/id=intuition
4/skills/size=1
4/skills/1/id=60
4/traits/size = 2
4/traits/1/id=20
4/traits/2/id=23
5/name="+ Nurse"
5/attributes/size=4
5/attributes/1/id=memory
5/attributes/2/id=agility
5/attributes/3/id=analytical ability
5/attributes/4/id=empathy
5/traits/size=2
5/traits/1/id=20
5/traits/1/weight=0.8
5/traits/2/id=23
5/traits/2/weight=0.2
6/name="- Woodworker"
6/attributes/size=6
6/attributes/1/id=strength
6/attributes/1/weight=0.5
6/attributes/2/id=endurance
6/attributes/2/weight=0.5
6/attributes/3/id=creativity
6/attributes/3/weight=1.0
6/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
6/attributes/4/weight=0.5
6/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
6/attributes/5/weight=0.5
6/attributes/6/id=agility
6/attributes/6/weight=0.5
6/skills/size=1
6/skills/1/id=2
7/name=". Engraver"
7/attributes/size=4
7/attributes/1/id=agility
7/attributes/1/weight=0.5
7/attributes/2/id=creativity
7/attributes/2/weight=1.0
7/attributes/3/id=spatial sense
7/attributes/3/weight=0.5
7/attributes/4/id=kinesthetic sense
7/attributes/4/weight=0.5
7/skills/size=1
7/skills/1/id=3
8/name=". Miner"
8/attributes/size=6
8/attributes/1/id=willpower
8/attributes/2/id=strength
8/attributes/3/id=endurance
8/attributes/4/id=toughness
8/attributes/5/id=spatial sense
8/attributes/6/id=kinesthetic sense
8/skills/size=1
8/skills/1/id=0
9/name=": Metalworker"
9/attributes/size=6
9/attributes/1/id=strength
9/attributes/1/weight=0.5
9/attributes/2/id=endurance
9/attributes/2/weight=0.5
9/attributes/3/id=creativity
9/attributes/3/weight=1.0
9/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
9/attributes/4/weight=0.5
9/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
9/attributes/5/weight=0.5
9/attributes/6/id=agility
9/attributes/6/weight=0.5
9/skills/size=2
9/skills/1/id=27
9/skills/2/id=28
10/name=": Metalcrafter"
10/attributes/size=6
10/attributes/1/id=strength
10/attributes/1/weight=0.5
10/attributes/2/id=endurance
10/attributes/2/weight=0.5
10/attributes/3/id=creativity
10/attributes/3/weight=1.0
10/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
10/attributes/4/weight=0.5
10/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
10/attributes/5/weight=0.5
10/attributes/6/id=agility
10/attributes/6/weight=0.5
10/skills/size=2
10/skills/1/id=29
10/skills/2/id=34
11/name="; Brewer"
11/attributes/size=3
11/attributes/1/id=strength
11/attributes/2/id=agility
11/attributes/3/id=kinesthetic sense
11/skills/size=1
11/skills/1/id=14
12/name="; Cook"
12/attributes/size=4
12/attributes/1/id=analytical ability
12/attributes/1/weight=0.5
12/attributes/2/id=agility
12/attributes/2/weight=0.5
12/attributes/3/id=creativity
12/attributes/3/weight=1.0
12/attributes/4/id=kinesthetic sense
12/attributes/4/weight=0.5
12/skills/size=1
12/skills/1/id=21
13/name="; Farmer"
13/attributes/size=4
13/attributes/1/id=strength
13/attributes/2/id=agility
13/attributes/3/id=endurance
13/attributes/4/id=kinesthetic sense
13/skills/size=1
13/skills/1/id=22
14/name="^ Admin"
14/attributes/size=8
14/attributes/1/id=linguistic ability
14/attributes/2/id=empathy
14/attributes/3/id=social awareness
14/attributes/4/id=analytical ability
14/attributes/5/id=creativity
14/attributes/6/id=memory
14/attributes/7/id=intuition
14/attributes/8/id=focus
14/traits/size=2
14/traits/1/id=19
14/traits/2/id=20
14/skills/size=3
14/skills/1/id=74
14/skills/2/id=75
14/skills/1/id=77
15/name="^ Lawdwarf"
15/attributes_weight=0.8
15/traits_weight=0.2
15/attributes/size=3
15/attributes/1/id=-strength
15/attributes/2/id=-agility
15/attributes/3/id=-endurance
15/traits/size=1
15/traits/1/id=-1
16/name="` Jewler"
16/attributes/size=5
16/attributes/1/id=agility
16/attributes/1/weight=0.5
16/attributes/2/id=creativity
16/attributes/2/weight=1.0
16/attributes/3/id=analytical ability
16/attributes/3/weight=0.5
16/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
16/attributes/4/weight=0.75
16/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
16/attributes/5/weight=0.75
16/skills/size=2
16/skills/1/id=30
16/skills/2/id=31
17/name="` Strand Extractor"
17/attributes/size=5
17/attributes/1/id=strength
17/attributes/2/id=agility
17/attributes/3/id=endurance
17/attributes/4/id=analytical ability
17/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
17/skills/size=1
17/skills/1/id=26
18/name="o Mason"
18/attributes/size=6
18/attributes/1/id=agility
18/attributes/1/weight=0.5
18/attributes/2/id=strength
18/attributes/2/weight=0.5
18/attributes/3/id=endurance
18/attributes/3/weight=0.5
18/attributes/4/id=creativity
18/attributes/4/weight=1.0
18/attributes/5/id=spatial sense
18/attributes/5/weight=0.5
18/attributes/6/id=kinesthetic sense
18/attributes/6/weight=0.5
18/skills/size=1
18/skills/1/id=4
19/name="o Mechanic"
19/attributes/size=6
19/attributes/1/id=strength
19/attributes/1/weight=0.5
19/attributes/2/id=agility
19/attributes/2/weight=0.5
19/attributes/3/id=endurance
19/attributes/3/weight=0.5
19/attributes/4/id=analytical ability
19/attributes/4/weight=0.5
19/attributes/5/id=creativity
19/attributes/5/weight=1.0
19/attributes/6/id=spatial sense
19/attributes/6/weight=0.5
19/skills/size=1
19/skills/1/id=55
20/name="o Potter"
20/attributes/size=5
20/attributes/1/id=agility
20/attributes/1/weight=0.5
20/attributes/2/id=endurance
20/attributes/2/weight=0.5
20/attributes/3/id=creativity
20/attributes/3/weight=1.0
20/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
20/attributes/4/weight=0.5
20/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
20/attributes/5/weight=0.5
20/skills/size=1
20/skills/1/id=33
21/name="~ Marksdwarf"
21/attributes/size=4
21/attributes/1/id=agility
21/attributes/2/id=focus
21/attributes/3/id=spatial sense
21/attributes/4/id=kinesthetic sense
21/traits/size=1
21/traits/1/id=1
21/skills/size=7
21/skills/1/id=89
21/skills/2/id=44
21/skills/3/id=42
21/skills/4/id=57
21/skills/5/id=100
21/skills/6/id=53
21/skills/7/id=52
22/name="~ Military"
22/attributes/size=6
22/attributes/1/id=strength
22/attributes/2/id=agility
22/attributes/3/id=toughness
22/attributes/4/id=willpower
22/attributes/5/id=spatial sense
22/attributes/6/id=kinesthetic sense
22/traits/size=1
22/traits/1/id=1
22/skills/size=20
22/skills/1/id=46
22/skills/2/id=38
22/skills/3/id=102
22/skills/4/id=105
22/skills/5/id=99
22/skills/6/id=42
22/skills/7/id=104
22/skills/8/id=40
22/skills/9/id=51
22/skills/10/id=41
22/skills/11/id=89
22/skills/12/id=50
22/skills/13/id=45
22/skills/14/id=43
22/skills/15/id=103
22/skills/16/id=39
22/skills/17/id=86
22/skills/18/id=98
22/skills/19/id=54
22/skills/20/id=101
Post by: splinterz on March 22, 2012, 05:25:03 am
I'm having trouble with custom roles - they aren't showing up at all.
Am I supposed to start numbering them at 1, or at 47 to follow the default roles? (I'm starting at 1.)
If I have a typo somewhere, would that cause them not to load?
Any other gotchas I might be running into?
Here's what I added to game_data.ini:
snip
looks fine, just move that whole section to your Dwarf Therapist.ini instead of game_data.ini.
Post by: splinterz on March 22, 2012, 06:20:46 am
I feel horrible, I had a bit of a cavein accident, one miner died, other one knocked unconscious. Worst thing, one had a baby on the job. 6 days old. Baby survived, but had both legs broken and lower spine broken. The mother was the one knocked unconscious I think, (similar names, is that how it works?), but she just left the baby. Baby crawled all the way back to the dining hall, draging it's broken body along.
Now the problem is DT does not see the baby, It's name is nowhere to be found, my bookkeeper reports 53 dwarfs, DF only 52. Has DF already given up on this broken baby? Surely this baby is not a vampire?
Here is the save game:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1940986/region1.zip
after rebooting and playing on, the baby is still crawling around with broken back and legs (maybe a zombie ;) I don't think a newborn will survive 2 broken legs and a back for very long.) and DT doesn't think it exhists.
edit: oh and it was the mother of the baby killed in the cave in. The father is around, but hey he doesn't care.
i can see that baby just fine in DT, are you sure you have the option on to show babies and children?
Post by: AdeleneDawner on March 22, 2012, 07:34:07 am
Post by: splinterz on March 22, 2012, 08:36:53 am
Post by: thisisntbob on March 22, 2012, 01:12:12 pm
The problem exists in version 7 as well, but 0.6.12 works fine. The new update hasn't fixed this unfortunately.
Post by: thistleknot on March 22, 2012, 01:43:21 pm
I'm having trouble with custom roles - they aren't showing up at all.
Am I supposed to start numbering them at 1, or at 47 to follow the default roles? (I'm starting at 1.)
If I have a typo somewhere, would that cause them not to load?
Any other gotchas I might be running into?
Here's what I added to game_data.ini:Code: [Select][custom_roles]
size=22
1/name="% Bonecarver"
1/attributes/size=5
1/attributes/1/id=agility
1/attributes/1/weight=0.5
1/attributes/2/id=endurance
1/attributes/2/weight=0.5
1/attributes/3/id=creativity
1/attributes/3/weight=1.0
1/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
1/attributes/4/weight=0.5
1/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
1/attributes/5/weight=0.5
1/skills/size=1
1/skills/1/id=37
2/name="% Leatherworker"
2/attributes/size=6
2/attributes/1/id=strength
2/attributes/2/id=agility
2/attributes/3/id=endurance
2/attributes/4/id=creatvity
2/attributes/5/id=spatial sense
2/attributes/6/id=kinesthetic sense
2/skills/size=1
2/skills/1/id=36
3/name="* Hauler"
3/attributes/size=18
3/attributes/1/id=-strength
3/attributes/2/id=-agility
3/attributes/3/id=-toughness
3/attributes/4/id=-endurance
3/attributes/5/id=-disease resistance
3/attributes/6/id=-recuperation
3/attributes/7/id=-analytical ability
3/attributes/8/id=-creatvity
3/attributes/9/id=-empathy
3/attributes/10/id=-focus
3/attributes/11/id=-intuition
3/attributes/12/id=-kinesthetic sense
3/attributes/13/id=-linguistic ability
3/attributes/14/id=-memory
3/attributes/15/id=-patience
3/attributes/16/id=-social awareness
3/attributes/17/id=-spatial sense
3/attributes/18/id=-willpower
4/name="+ Medic"
4/attributes/size=3
4/attributes/1/id=analytical ability
4/attributes/2/id=memory
4/attributes/3/id=intuition
4/skills/size=1
4/skills/1/id=60
4/traits/size = 2
4/traits/1/id=20
4/traits/2/id=23
5/name="+ Nurse"
5/attributes/size=4
5/attributes/1/id=memory
5/attributes/2/id=agility
5/attributes/3/id=analytical ability
5/attributes/4/id=empathy
5/traits/size=2
5/traits/1/id=20
5/traits/1/weight=0.8
5/traits/2/id=23
5/traits/2/weight=0.2
6/name="- Woodworker"
6/attributes/size=6
6/attributes/1/id=strength
6/attributes/1/weight=0.5
6/attributes/2/id=endurance
6/attributes/2/weight=0.5
6/attributes/3/id=creativity
6/attributes/3/weight=1.0
6/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
6/attributes/4/weight=0.5
6/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
6/attributes/5/weight=0.5
6/attributes/6/id=agility
6/attributes/6/weight=0.5
6/skills/size=1
6/skills/1/id=2
7/name=". Engraver"
7/attributes/size=4
7/attributes/1/id=agility
7/attributes/1/weight=0.5
7/attributes/2/id=creativity
7/attributes/2/weight=1.0
7/attributes/3/id=spatial sense
7/attributes/3/weight=0.5
7/attributes/4/id=kinesthetic sense
7/attributes/4/weight=0.5
7/skills/size=1
7/skills/1/id=3
8/name=". Miner"
8/attributes/size=6
8/attributes/1/id=willpower
8/attributes/2/id=strength
8/attributes/3/id=endurance
8/attributes/4/id=toughness
8/attributes/5/id=spatial sense
8/attributes/6/id=kinesthetic sense
8/skills/size=1
8/skills/1/id=0
9/name=": Metalworker"
9/attributes/size=6
9/attributes/1/id=strength
9/attributes/1/weight=0.5
9/attributes/2/id=endurance
9/attributes/2/weight=0.5
9/attributes/3/id=creativity
9/attributes/3/weight=1.0
9/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
9/attributes/4/weight=0.5
9/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
9/attributes/5/weight=0.5
9/attributes/6/id=agility
9/attributes/6/weight=0.5
9/skills/size=2
9/skills/1/id=27
9/skills/2/id=28
10/name=": Metalcrafter"
10/attributes/size=6
10/attributes/1/id=strength
10/attributes/1/weight=0.5
10/attributes/2/id=endurance
10/attributes/2/weight=0.5
10/attributes/3/id=creativity
10/attributes/3/weight=1.0
10/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
10/attributes/4/weight=0.5
10/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
10/attributes/5/weight=0.5
10/attributes/6/id=agility
10/attributes/6/weight=0.5
10/skills/size=2
10/skills/1/id=29
10/skills/2/id=34
11/name="; Brewer"
11/attributes/size=3
11/attributes/1/id=strength
11/attributes/2/id=agility
11/attributes/3/id=kinesthetic sense
11/skills/size=1
11/skills/1/id=14
12/name="; Cook"
12/attributes/size=4
12/attributes/1/id=analytical ability
12/attributes/1/weight=0.5
12/attributes/2/id=agility
12/attributes/2/weight=0.5
12/attributes/3/id=creativity
12/attributes/3/weight=1.0
12/attributes/4/id=kinesthetic sense
12/attributes/4/weight=0.5
12/skills/size=1
12/skills/1/id=21
13/name="; Farmer"
13/attributes/size=4
13/attributes/1/id=strength
13/attributes/2/id=agility
13/attributes/3/id=endurance
13/attributes/4/id=kinesthetic sense
13/skills/size=1
13/skills/1/id=22
14/name="^ Admin"
14/attributes/size=8
14/attributes/1/id=linguistic ability
14/attributes/2/id=empathy
14/attributes/3/id=social awareness
14/attributes/4/id=analytical ability
14/attributes/5/id=creativity
14/attributes/6/id=memory
14/attributes/7/id=intuition
14/attributes/8/id=focus
14/traits/size=2
14/traits/1/id=19
14/traits/2/id=20
14/skills/size=3
14/skills/1/id=74
14/skills/2/id=75
14/skills/1/id=77
15/name="^ Lawdwarf"
15/attributes_weight=0.8
15/traits_weight=0.2
15/attributes/size=3
15/attributes/1/id=-strength
15/attributes/2/id=-agility
15/attributes/3/id=-endurance
15/traits/size=1
15/traits/1/id=-1
16/name="` Jewler"
16/attributes/size=5
16/attributes/1/id=agility
16/attributes/1/weight=0.5
16/attributes/2/id=creativity
16/attributes/2/weight=1.0
16/attributes/3/id=analytical ability
16/attributes/3/weight=0.5
16/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
16/attributes/4/weight=0.75
16/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
16/attributes/5/weight=0.75
16/skills/size=2
16/skills/1/id=30
16/skills/2/id=31
17/name="` Strand Extractor"
17/attributes/size=5
17/attributes/1/id=strength
17/attributes/2/id=agility
17/attributes/3/id=endurance
17/attributes/4/id=analytical ability
17/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
17/skills/size=1
17/skills/1/id=26
18/name="o Mason"
18/attributes/size=6
18/attributes/1/id=agility
18/attributes/1/weight=0.5
18/attributes/2/id=strength
18/attributes/2/weight=0.5
18/attributes/3/id=endurance
18/attributes/3/weight=0.5
18/attributes/4/id=creativity
18/attributes/4/weight=1.0
18/attributes/5/id=spatial sense
18/attributes/5/weight=0.5
18/attributes/6/id=kinesthetic sense
18/attributes/6/weight=0.5
18/skills/size=1
18/skills/1/id=4
19/name="o Mechanic"
19/attributes/size=6
19/attributes/1/id=strength
19/attributes/1/weight=0.5
19/attributes/2/id=agility
19/attributes/2/weight=0.5
19/attributes/3/id=endurance
19/attributes/3/weight=0.5
19/attributes/4/id=analytical ability
19/attributes/4/weight=0.5
19/attributes/5/id=creativity
19/attributes/5/weight=1.0
19/attributes/6/id=spatial sense
19/attributes/6/weight=0.5
19/skills/size=1
19/skills/1/id=55
20/name="o Potter"
20/attributes/size=5
20/attributes/1/id=agility
20/attributes/1/weight=0.5
20/attributes/2/id=endurance
20/attributes/2/weight=0.5
20/attributes/3/id=creativity
20/attributes/3/weight=1.0
20/attributes/4/id=spatial sense
20/attributes/4/weight=0.5
20/attributes/5/id=kinesthetic sense
20/attributes/5/weight=0.5
20/skills/size=1
20/skills/1/id=33
21/name="~ Marksdwarf"
21/attributes/size=4
21/attributes/1/id=agility
21/attributes/2/id=focus
21/attributes/3/id=spatial sense
21/attributes/4/id=kinesthetic sense
21/traits/size=1
21/traits/1/id=1
21/skills/size=7
21/skills/1/id=89
21/skills/2/id=44
21/skills/3/id=42
21/skills/4/id=57
21/skills/5/id=100
21/skills/6/id=53
21/skills/7/id=52
22/name="~ Military"
22/attributes/size=6
22/attributes/1/id=strength
22/attributes/2/id=agility
22/attributes/3/id=toughness
22/attributes/4/id=willpower
22/attributes/5/id=spatial sense
22/attributes/6/id=kinesthetic sense
22/traits/size=1
22/traits/1/id=1
22/skills/size=20
22/skills/1/id=46
22/skills/2/id=38
22/skills/3/id=102
22/skills/4/id=105
22/skills/5/id=99
22/skills/6/id=42
22/skills/7/id=104
22/skills/8/id=40
22/skills/9/id=51
22/skills/10/id=41
22/skills/11/id=89
22/skills/12/id=50
22/skills/13/id=45
22/skills/14/id=43
22/skills/15/id=103
22/skills/16/id=39
22/skills/17/id=86
22/skills/18/id=98
22/skills/19/id=54
22/skills/20/id=101
Hmm, I recommend that you add to the defaults one at a time. If you replace them all, then... well, you could have issues (it's the same with coding software). If you want to replace them all, then try to replace them within the quoted area, add a line at a time, verify it shows up in dt, do the next line, etc.
Post by: Intrinsic on March 22, 2012, 02:52:08 pm
Post by: orius on March 22, 2012, 03:31:00 pm
I'm having another issue with migrants: it isn't sorting the waves properly. The first three waves (including initial 7) are fine, but the fourth wave is added to the third wave.
The problem exists in version 7 as well, but 0.6.12 works fine. The new update hasn't fixed this unfortunately.
I've been having the same problem with splinterz' various builds, the migration waves tend to get jumbled together and not read properly. All the waves after the first two are getting shoved into one big wave.
Post by: Weazal on March 22, 2012, 04:25:54 pm
Firstly, I'd love to see the job listings at the top of the GUI get shown at an angle, as shown in the example below.
(http://i.imgur.com/YH3yn.png)
I thought this up and made the example long ago but never got around to suggesting it. I've pretty much become familiar enough with the jobs to not desire the easier readability of them, but it would still be nice and possibly appreciated by others.
How I'd like to see it in DT: An Icon around the top left corner of the job names area to toggle it on/off and or a checkbox in the options to do the same.
Secondly, I'd like to be able to toggle whether the Dwarves' last names appear in game and in DT as Dwarvish or English. This is due to Otin Waterbends being more easily remembered visually scanned for than Otin Fialdasorenering.
I use custom profession titles to better sort my Dwarves but sometimes there are still two similar names in the same profession or squad. I've actually got an Urist Ustuthduthal and Urist Ushriringtak currently in the same squad. If their last names were in English I think it would easier to see them separate. As for nicknames I don't care for them as they need be manually applied in addition to and are superfluous to custom profession names. They're also unpleasing to look at. I still appreciate their functionality, I just don't have a use for them personally most of the time.
How I'd like to see it in DT: A checkbox in the options to "Show dwarf last names in English" and a right-click option over a specific dwarf to "Show last name in English".
I decided to make these suggestions upon the agreement of another Here (http://boards.4chan.org/vg/res/2148091#2279307) and Here (http://boards.4chan.org/vg/res/2148091#2279421)
Thank you for reading my suggestions, this is my first post so if this isn't the place to be making suggestions I apologize and will remove the post to make it where appropriate.
Post by: shadus on March 22, 2012, 05:44:16 pm
(Edit: At least it's occured with LNP for >1 yr and most of the versions I've tested, the Migration wave sorting is a bit flaky.)
Post by: splinterz on March 22, 2012, 06:21:38 pm
Hi, I've got two suggestions for features I'd like to see in the Therapist
Firstly, I'd love to see the job listings at the top of the GUI get shown at an angle, as shown in the example below.
(http://i.imgur.com/YH3yn.png)
I thought this up and made the example long ago but never got around to suggesting it. I've pretty much become familiar enough with the jobs to not desire the easier readability of them, but it would still be nice and possibly appreciated by others.
How I'd like to see it in DT: An Icon around the top left corner of the job names area to toggle it on/off and or a checkbox in the options to do the same.
Secondly, I'd like to be able to toggle whether the Dwarves' last names appear in game and in DT as Dwarvish or English. This is due to Otin Waterbends being more easily remembered visually scanned for than Otin Fialdasorenering.
I use custom profession titles to better sort my Dwarves but sometimes there are still two similar names in the same profession or squad. I've actually got an Urist Ustuthduthal and Urist Ushriringtak currently in the same squad. If their last names were in English I think it would easier to see them separate. As for nicknames I don't care for them as they need be manually applied in addition to and are superfluous to custom profession names. They're also unpleasing to look at. I still appreciate their functionality, I just don't have a use for them personally most of the time.
How I'd like to see it in DT: A checkbox in the options to "Show dwarf last names in English" and a right-click option over a specific dwarf to "Show last name in English".
I decided to make these suggestions upon the agreement of another Here (http://boards.4chan.org/vg/res/2148091#2279307) and Here (http://boards.4chan.org/vg/res/2148091#2279421)
Thank you for reading my suggestions, this is my first post so if this isn't the place to be making suggestions I apologize and will remove the post to make it where appropriate.
i've added an option in my build to write the names in the headers from bottom to top for exactly this readability issue. obviously it's not quite as good as at an angle but it does help and it's there. there should also be an option to show last names in english as well, even in the default build i believe.
sorry about the sorting guys, i must have broken something :P in regards to the migration waves, i'll have to look into it. to my knowledge i don't think i touched anything regarding the migration wave grouping/sorting but you never can be too sure.
Post by: Weazal on March 22, 2012, 06:44:38 pm
Still, since I do most of my visual scanning on the units menu, I would like to see it change their names to English in game as well. It would maintain continuity between what DT is showing and what you'd see in game. Otherwise I think it might present a new issue of getting mixed up with who's who because of it showing the name differently than in game and in DT.
The bottom to top option is a massive improvement. I can spot them more easily by their starting letter now.
Thank you for replying and your patience with my failing to thoroughly check the options first.
Also, your setup for showing the above and below averages for attributes is awesome. I've been recommending your build for that any time I can.
Post by: thistleknot on March 23, 2012, 10:35:36 am
Firstly, I'd love to see the job listings at the top of the GUI get shown at an angle, as shown in the example below.
(http://i.imgur.com/YH3yn.png)
I thought this up and made the example long ago but never got around to suggesting it. I've pretty much become familiar enough with the jobs to not desire the easier readability of them, but it would still be nice and possibly appreciated by others.
How I'd like to see it in DT: An Icon around the top left corner of the job names area to toggle it on/off and or a checkbox in the options to do the same.
...
I decided to make these suggestions upon the agreement of another Here (http://boards.4chan.org/vg/res/2148091#2279307) and Here (http://boards.4chan.org/vg/res/2148091#2279421)
Thank you for reading my suggestions, this is my first post so if this isn't the place to be making suggestions I apologize and will remove the post to make it where appropriate.
I love the 45º degree angle idea. I hate having to kreen my neck everytime I want to read some professions. I don't need to do that with the way this picture shows it. That's a friggin great idea!
UPDATE TO THE ROLES FORMULA:
Also... you guys are in for a treat on sorting. Splinterz and I worked on a new method for merging the skills, traits, and attributes... I'd say it's about 3 times better. But... I'm sure he's working on 34.06 memory layouts right now, but soon, very soon you'll have a 100% dwarf for the job, a 0.46% dwarf for the job, and all sorts of ranges inbetween!
Unfortunately my scripted version of it: 1 is too long for this forum, (character limit is 400,000) and 2, I rushed it through and wasn't working for skills/traits, so it was only readable as a prototype, but luckily Splinterz was able to apply it into the next build! He's one talented programmer. Took him 1hr 45 Minutes to implement from the moment I emailed it.
Post by: Rose on March 23, 2012, 10:52:13 am
Post by: kingofthescots on March 23, 2012, 11:04:43 am
Post by: thistleknot on March 23, 2012, 11:22:48 am
Post by: Findulidas on March 23, 2012, 11:24:32 am
Some people never learned how. I've been in a customer service role for so long that I just picked it up.
How could they not know? Its like dyslexia. After few minutes trying you should even be able to read backwards.
Post by: thistleknot on March 23, 2012, 11:45:07 am
Post by: Still Standing on March 23, 2012, 12:57:30 pm
Post by: robertheinrich on March 23, 2012, 02:02:19 pm
I have just spent the last hour trying to find the new offsets... Anybody having better luck than me?
Try those, they seem to work (sandbox posted them on the dfhack irc):
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: 0x517A5D on March 23, 2012, 03:01:36 pm
I haven't tested in-game, but my disassembly indicates that the squad vector should be:I have just spent the last hour trying to find the new offsets... Anybody having better luck than me?
Try those, they seem to work (sandbox posted them on the dfhack irc):
[...]
squad_vector=0x01824a58
squad_vector=0x01612E14
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 03:07:24 pm
Post by: Quietust on March 23, 2012, 03:11:14 pm
The "world" object has already been determined to be at 0x17D2CF8 (and works nicely in DFHack), and squads.all is at offset 0x51D64 within it, so sandbox's address should be correct (it's actually 0x1824A5C, but Dwarf Therapist still thinks that vectors have their start/end pointers at base+4 and base+8 when they've been at base+0 and base+4 ever since Toady moved to MSVC 2010). The offset you posted is associated with some unknown data within "ui" (unk235c).I haven't tested in-game, but my disassembly indicates that the squad vector should be:I have just spent the last hour trying to find the new offsets... Anybody having better luck than me?
Try those, they seem to work (sandbox posted them on the dfhack irc):
[...]
squad_vector=0x01824a58
squad_vector=0x01612E14
Post by: telamon on March 23, 2012, 03:29:39 pm
Quote
I am getting an error message when using dwarf therapist with 34.06 graphics.Unidentified game version.
that's because therapist has not yet released official support for 34.06. check OP
Post by: fredrol on March 23, 2012, 03:32:32 pm
Looking forward to the next release, can't wait to get started! :D
Post by: Still Standing on March 23, 2012, 03:36:29 pm
Post by: notfood on March 23, 2012, 04:09:18 pm
Post by: DirtyChineseCigarettes on March 23, 2012, 04:19:01 pm
Post by: bombzero on March 23, 2012, 04:44:07 pm
for the record, despite all the complaining DF is pretty playable without DT, its just that therapist makes assigning jobs a bit easier in the long run.
Post by: 0x517A5D on March 23, 2012, 04:59:32 pm
I haven't tested in-game, but my disassembly indicates that the squad vector should be:The "world" object has already been determined to be at 0x17D2CF8 (and works nicely in DFHack), and squads.all is at offset 0x51D64 within it, so sandbox's address should be correct (it's actually 0x1824A5C, but Dwarf Therapist still thinks that vectors have their start/end pointers at base+4 and base+8 when they've been at base+0 and base+4 ever since Toady moved to MSVC 2010). The offset you posted is associated with some unknown data within "ui" (unk235c).
squad_vector=0x01612E14
I have looked more closely at my disassembly, and I now agree with your value.
I try to find the squad vector by searching on the string "Repairing squad info for Unit #", then finding the only reference to it, then looking about 200 bytes prior to that reference for use of a vector. In .06, I got a false-positive starting at instruction 00509FA5. The actual reference I wanted is at 00509FCD.
Sorry about the false information.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 23, 2012, 05:08:34 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 05:15:25 pm
good luck getting it updated guys. hope it happens fast :P
for the record, despite all the complaining DF is pretty playable without DT, its just that therapist makes assigning jobs a bit easier in the long run.
Its playable, but its not as easy to manage. I like to be able to sort the dwarfs and fix their labors with a few clicks. The in-game labor settings are very obtuse by comparison. I can manage my starting 7 through the in-game menus if I have to , but I am going to save and quit until DT is updated once the migrants arrive.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 23, 2012, 05:19:50 pm
Let me know if you experience any issues. Other layouts are coming.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: DirtyChineseCigarettes on March 23, 2012, 05:25:05 pm
thanks
Post by: Girlinhat on March 23, 2012, 05:28:17 pm
Etc
Memory Layouts
Windows
Copy any given file, and rename it to v0.34.06_graphics
In DwarfEngineer's post, open the spoiler, and click [Select] in the code box
Ctrl-C
Open that new file you just made
Ctrl-A
Ctrl-V
Save
Run Therapist
It should now work.
Post by: DirtyChineseCigarettes on March 23, 2012, 05:29:29 pm
Post by: Lockyy on March 23, 2012, 05:42:29 pm
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Thank you both very much for this.
Especially you DE, you're doing incredible work.
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 05:51:53 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 23, 2012, 05:59:50 pm
I followed the steps, but it isn't working. Is it because I am using a different version of DT? I have the newer one that has lists for attributes and roles, etcYeah, these offsets are for vanilla Dwarf Therapist. Splinterz is currently maintaining the development (new features) branch until it can be merged into the main branch.
Post by: splinterz on March 23, 2012, 06:05:31 pm
Spoiler: 0.34.06_graphics.ini (click to show/hide)
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 23, 2012, 06:22:48 pm
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
Note, this is for vanilla Dwarf Therapist only, see post above for splinterz' release.
Direct Download Links:
- Windows (Graphics) v0.34.06 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.06_graphics.ini)
- Windows (Legacy) v0.34.06 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.06_legacy.ini)
- Linux v0.34.06 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.06.ini)
- Mac OSX v0.34.06 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.06.ini)
Post by: vityav on March 23, 2012, 06:37:20 pm
Edit: Also found for linux 34.05 and 34.06 (applies to splinterz and DE)
birth_year=0x01a8 for .05 0x01b8 for .06
curse=0x04c4 for at least .05 (no vampires yet in .06 for me)
Spoiler: splinterz linux 34.06 ini (click to show/hide)
Post by: Teehee on March 23, 2012, 06:50:08 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 06:51:30 pm
this should work for my branch (attributes, roles, etc..), but let me know if you run into problems.Spoiler: 0.34.06_graphics.ini (click to show/hide)
I just tried this and it works, but I am missing 2 dwarfs. DT shows 5, but I have 7 ( no migrants have arrived yet and nobody has died)
EDIT: I just changed to the Official DT release and it is showing all 7 dwarfs correctly. Maybe I screwed up something by manually updating the 34.06 ini or something else is going on.
Post by: Teehee on March 23, 2012, 06:52:55 pm
v0.34.06 Layouts Posted
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
Ummm. Actually. Wait, what? Download automatically? DT does that?
Post by: Garath on March 23, 2012, 07:00:06 pm
Post by: bombzero on March 23, 2012, 07:01:57 pm
Ummm. Actually. Wait, what? Download automatically? DT does that?
i believe they added that so that people don't have to redownload every time they fix a minor bug where cheesemaking can't be set from DT or something.
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 07:14:04 pm
Post by: splinterz on March 23, 2012, 07:18:59 pm
- added layouts for 34.06
- slightly tweaked the role formula once again for even shinier results
- fixed the sorting by name
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?kbt2gls4b4lgbc4)
@GoldenShadow: i haven't been able to reproduce any missing dwarves with my 5 test games so let me know if it does seem to be acting up and i'll try and fix it tomorrow
Post by: splinterz on March 23, 2012, 07:19:39 pm
New problem. I am using the standard release again. I downloaded a fresh copy from the main website from the link in the first post of this thread. All of the dwarfs are showing up as no job(-1) in DT. *edit* this is on version 34.06 graphics
current job offset has changed, here's the new one:
current_job=0x320 (windows)
Post by: telamon on March 23, 2012, 07:30:55 pm
Quote
Ummm. Actually. Wait, what? Download automatically? DT does that?
iirc, when you boot up DT and attempt to attach to a version of DF that it does not recognize, it'll check to see if there's a new offset file that fits the version and load it out accordingly if there is one. So no you don't have to download the ini and drop it in the layouts folder, or paste it into a new ini file manually
Post by: AriRashkae on March 23, 2012, 07:38:07 pm
However!
It shows every dwarf as having "No Job", even though I can see them all working. (Well, most of them. Got quite a few lazy anklebiters, but that's neither here nor there.) I can change jobs easily enough, and it seems to be reading XP gain properly, but it doesn't actually show who's doing what. :o
So, any ideas how I fix this? ???
Post by: Teehee on March 23, 2012, 07:46:29 pm
iirc, when you boot up DT and attempt to attach to a version of DF that it does not recognize, it'll check to see if there's a new offset file that fits the version and load it out accordingly if there is one. So no you don't have to download the ini and drop it in the layouts folder, or paste it into a new ini file manually
Too good to be true. I must've drifted over into bizarroworld again. I guess I'll know for sure if breaching the adamantine leads into kisses and cuddles. Off to try it.
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 07:53:00 pm
Post by: Aeon Blue on March 23, 2012, 07:58:50 pm
Got another weird bug. I assigned a bunch of migrants to wood cutting via DT and retired my old wood cutters into the military, but soon got job cancellation spam about lack of wood. I looked and there were plenty of axes in the weapon stockpile and all of the dwarfs with wood cutting were sitting idle in the meeting area. I double checked by going to prefs and labors and saw that wood cutting was indeed enabled in-game. On a hunch, I turned it off and back on inside the game and they all got up and picked up axes from the stockpile and got to work.
Ditto. My game reads mining and woodcutting professions as being enabled by Therapist, but dwarves won't pick up the equipment to mine or cut trees unless the labor is enabled in the game. (Or, in this case, disabled and then re-enabled within the game.)
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 08:01:24 pm
Post by: Teehee on March 23, 2012, 08:01:34 pm
I also have a weird bug at this embark. My woodcutter is not cutting trees, although he can access them, the labor is set in DT (and shows up correctly ingame), and there is a copper axe right next to the trees. Oh, and the trees are designated for chopping, of course.
Post by: Teehee on March 23, 2012, 08:06:54 pm
I can turn off the woodcutting labors from DT, but I have to turn it back on in-game for the dwarfs to do the tasks.
Same here. So a bug in the new version, or a problem with DT?
Post by: Girlinhat on March 23, 2012, 08:10:16 pm
Post by: smirk on March 23, 2012, 08:10:46 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 23, 2012, 08:23:06 pm
Post by: munki on March 23, 2012, 08:34:46 pm
I'm running OS X 10.7, with DF 34.05, and using graphics/phoebus. I get the following:
(http://i.imgur.com/wFOg3.png)
Anyone else seen this, or have any ideas?
Great work on the mac version, by the way. It's been nice having more regular maintenance/updates. :D
Post by: thistleknot on March 23, 2012, 09:01:30 pm
here's the packaged file with a few minor updates for those uncomfortable editing the ini files:
- added layouts for 34.06
- slightly tweaked the role formula once again for even shinier results
- fixed the sorting by name
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?04zvuyr9g97cu06)
@GoldenShadow: i haven't been able to reproduce any missing dwarves with my 5 test games so let me know if it does seem to be acting up and i'll try and fix it tomorrow
Good job! Thanks! (pats self on back as well)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: brucemo on March 23, 2012, 10:03:36 pm
I have two guys, both of whom are legendary miners +5. They both started simultaneously and worked in the same burrow, going from 0 skill to legendary +0 in dirt, then moved to stone, and I watched them. I have to say, the most important thing (and possibly only thing) about a miner is agility. I've seen this several times. In the race to legendary, which is all that I would think is really worth caring about, a more agile miner will win by a mile, because they move more quickly between dig sites.
Here they are:
Code: [Select]
Kubukdatur Otungerib
Willpower 1,269 1,015
Strength 2,104 762
Toughness 1,552 1,414
Endurance 1,198 808
Spatial 879 2,267
Kinesthetic 433 1,051
Agility 818 1,397
You have to drill out about 15 11x11 rooms in order to hit legendary from zero. When the second guy hit legendary the first guy still had to dig out like four or five more rooms, so when the second guy had dug out 15 rooms, the other guy had dug out 10 or 11, I think closer to 10 actually. So the second guy was like 1.5x faster. The second guy was sent to dig stone while the other guy stayed in dirt, so the second guy slowed down and the other guy caught up quite a bit. Even so the second guy was 1500 experience ahead when the caravan arrived.
Unless spatial sense and kinesthetic sense are really that important, it's pretty obvious that agility wins here.
I have a snapshot taken at embark, and you rate the first guy at 60.5% and the second guy at 53.01%, even though the second guy was dramatically better.
I would weight agility massively higher in your system -- as is, you don't even include it as an attribute for a miner.
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 10:16:24 pm
Post by: thistleknot on March 23, 2012, 10:22:54 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks for the suggestion. You have to understand the .ini file is tweakable. Splinterz made up the .ini based on the wiki for attributes and did an enormous job coding them in. It is completely customizable as users may want to apply various tweaks, I made a close combat dwarf modded role: http://i39.tinypic.com/2nia4ht.jpg (http://i39.tinypic.com/2nia4ht.jpg)
Since there are differences in opinions, it's probably impossible to make a single document that covers everyone's contributions, it could be done though... maybe a pastebin .ini?
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 23, 2012, 10:26:06 pm
I'm hitting a pretty big snag with the OS X version of therapist. I'm not sure if anyone has posted a similar issue or not, but I didn't see anything in the last 10 or so pages.Haven't quite worked out why it happens, but you can fix it by going to File > Clear user settings...
I'm running OS X 10.7, with DF 34.05, and using graphics/phoebus. I get the following:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Anyone else seen this, or have any ideas?
Great work on the mac version, by the way. It's been nice having more regular maintenance/updates. :D
This will of course clear your user settings, so export / import what you can.
Post by: munki on March 23, 2012, 10:28:44 pm
Hooray! DF is playable once more. My hero.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 23, 2012, 10:30:45 pm
v0.34.06 Layouts Updated
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
Note, this is for vanilla Dwarf Therapist only, see post above for splinterz' release.
Direct Download Links:
- Windows (Graphics) v0.34.06 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.06_graphics.ini)
- Windows (Legacy) v0.34.06 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.06_legacy.ini)
- Linux v0.34.06 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.06.ini)
- Mac OSX v0.34.06 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.06.ini)
These files have been updated with the correct offsets for job & recheck equipment.
You'll have to manually download them, then copy them to your DwarfFortress directory/etc/memory_layouts/<os>
On linux, this is in /usr/share/dwarftherapist,
On mac, you'll have to right click on Dwarf Therapist and click view package contents, then it's under Contents/MacOS
Alternatively you can delete the old file and restart therapist.
Sorry about the screw up.
Post by: Weazal on March 24, 2012, 02:48:25 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks for the suggestion. You have to understand the .ini file is tweakable. Splinterz made up the .ini based on the wiki for attributes and did an enormous job coding them in. It is completely customizable as users may want to apply various tweaks, I made a close combat dwarf modded role: http://i39.tinypic.com/2nia4ht.jpg (http://i39.tinypic.com/2nia4ht.jpg)
Since there are differences in opinions, it's probably impossible to make a single document that covers everyone's contributions, it could be done though... maybe a pastebin .ini?
How awesome would it be for a sub-interface to create roles inside DT itself? Slider bars with minimum and maximum markers to set acceptable ranges for skills attributes and more for a specific role. Minimum is probably all that's necessary for most roles but I can think of instances maximums might also be useful. Check boxes for jobs and skills and sliders for the skill level acceptable. Same for attributes. Or even better, add skills/attribute from list to the role so it's not a huge list of checkboxes. I wish I knew how to make this happen on my own. So exciting to think about the possibilities.
Thank you so much for this amazing program. With roles, attribute averages and more, it's growing and being more useful with every release.
Truely awesome. :D
Post by: thistleknot on March 24, 2012, 03:35:01 am
A gui is the next logical step. The script editor supports a lot. We did anaysis of min/maxs (I contriubted a 3300 dwarf population to the attribute wiki), but upon further analysis we found the data folllowed a bell curve. One could code a hard max limit into the script engine, but... good luck trying to impelement that into a bell curve without extra math.
Btw agility max hovers around 1500, memory 2500, a lot of the rest r around 2000 or 2200.
Post by: splinterz on March 24, 2012, 03:59:06 am
I just downloaded the DT with role suggestions and have some comments.
I have two guys, both of whom are legendary miners +5. They both started simultaneously and worked in the same burrow, going from 0 skill to legendary +0 in dirt, then moved to stone, and I watched them. I have to say, the most important thing (and possibly only thing) about a miner is agility. I've seen this several times. In the race to legendary, which is all that I would think is really worth caring about, a more agile miner will win by a mile, because they move more quickly between dig sites.
-snip
I would weight agility massively higher in your system -- as is, you don't even include it as an attribute for a miner.
that's a very good point. as Thistleknot mentioned, i simply used the wiki as a guide for creating the default role sets. i'll consider changing the default role, but for now you can simply override the default by creating a custom role in your dwarf therapist.ini with the same name. which is a nice segue into the next point brought up:
How awesome would it be for a sub-interface to create roles inside DT itself?
this is the next thing i'd like to implement to finish up the role feature. i agree with Thistleknot that slider bars for min/max probably aren't going to work with the way role ratings are calculated. better would be to give those aspects you wanted valued more a higher weight. i'm thinking just a simple select an attribute/skill/trait and give it a weight, repeat, until you've defined your role.
Post by: Weazal on March 24, 2012, 04:38:28 am
better would be to give those aspects you wanted valued more a higher weight. i'm thinking just a simple select an attribute/skill/trait and give it a weight, repeat, until you've defined your role.That's exactly what I had in mind. :D
Really glad to hear you intend to implement it and I'm lookin' forward to it.
Thank you for all your hard work!
Post by: Intrinsic on March 24, 2012, 05:15:22 am
The note on agility is good, just like the note i found about creativity having a pretty substantial effect on crafting.
Post by: brucemo on March 24, 2012, 05:56:42 am
that's a very good point. as Thistleknot mentioned, i simply used the wiki as a guide for creating the default role sets. i'll consider changing the default role, but for now you can simply override the default by creating a custom role in your dwarf therapist.ini with the same name. which is a nice segue into the next point brought up:
Yes. The idea is very cute, but if the wiki contains information that is mostly false, untested, and/or unimplemented, features implemented based upon this are of questionable value. Really, unless you are role-playing, there has to be some testable outcome. Role-playing is nice, but if the tool is telling me the wrong guy should be my miner, that's not helpful, and mining is one of the few things it's possible to really test well. I best there is a direct relation between mining speed and agility, and what else is there to mining except that? Maybe one guy might sleep more than than the other guy, but if agility dominates, it dominates. And it's possible to find this out.
I'll do more research.
Post by: Intrinsic on March 24, 2012, 06:42:00 am
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60554.msg1413312#msg1413312
Post by: Teehee on March 24, 2012, 06:56:36 am
Post by: Teehee on March 24, 2012, 07:28:18 am
Hmm. The migration waves don't sort properly in my DT even with the new ini file DE posted. Using the linux version.
Setting turn_count=0x053b fixed it. Got help from sandbox on irc. <3
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 24, 2012, 08:11:55 am
I fixed the layouts for both osx & linux. See above (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3124069#msg3124069) for instructions on downloading the new layout.Hmm. The migration waves don't sort properly in my DT even with the new ini file DE posted. Using the linux version.
Setting turn_count=0x053b fixed it. Got help from sandbox on irc. <3
Post by: thistleknot on March 24, 2012, 08:31:05 am
...
Yes. The idea is very cute, but if the wiki contains information that is mostly false, untested, and/or unimplemented, features implemented based upon this are of questionable value. Really, unless you are role-playing, there has to be some testable outcome. Role-playing is nice, but if the tool is telling me the wrong guy should be my miner, that's not helpful, and mining is one of the few things it's possible to really test well. I best there is a direct relation between mining speed and agility, and what else is there to mining except that? Maybe one guy might sleep more than than the other guy, but if agility dominates, it dominates. And it's possible to find this out.
I'll do more research.
On this same page here http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3124821#msg3124821
Its stated that toady specified the weights.
Ah, gotcha. I got ahead of myself being excited about the idea that I overlooked that roles just select skills, traits and attributes to display the values for. I'm not sure how the weights work as I've not had a chance to mess with them yet. They sound like what I'm looking for. Getting 34.06 sorted and going to test them with a new fort now.
I spoke with Splinterz, he's going to put how the formula is calculated in the documentation on the next release. For now... I'll specify it right here:
The formula originally was based on Weighted Mean's. Which I felt was limited as weights were really (weight/(sum of weights))=max % that that weight could provide to the overall weight, I felt this was a limit as some attributes (at the time I was merely working with attributes) might have a value far above, or below the mean, and should be able to contribute more to the overall % when it does so.
I did some stuff with excel testing different possibilities out, and came up with a new formula, bounced it back and forth against Splinterz, who suggested a sum of distribution curves (which was an idea I had as well, but he implemented it first, albeit not as well as the current implementation).
The current implementation is:
All lists of attributes, skills, traits involved with a role are converted to their respective z-scores (i.e. for attributes: (attribute value-attribute mean)/standard deviation), which standardizes the data (i.e. similar in concept to converting them to their respective %, but instead converts them to a + or - number representing it's position below or above the mean. The importance of this step is to ensure each attribute, skill, and weight have the same scale before "weighting" i.e. factoring them.), then each list is factored by it's weight. Each standard deviation then equals the same as the weight value (z scores have a natural standard deviation of 1, i.e. the same scale concept mentioned prior). I indeed verified that a weighted z-score's new standard deviation is the same as the weight via scalc/excel. Then within each category: (i.e. attributes, traits, skills) their respective z-scores are summed together. Standard Deviations for each category are quadrature'd together (i.e. sum the squares of the deviations, then square root that sum. Verified via Math.reddit.com, and other statistic websites).
So now we have 3 new lists: A summed Z-score of Attributes, Weights, and Skills, and each has their new respective standard deviation.
In v8, I failed to re-scale each category to their respective z-scores (as a sum of zscores changes the scale from sdev of 1 to whatever it is now, so now... they need to be rescaled to standard deviation of 1), we also failed to quadrature things together, and I was doing an averaging of values, and a root mean square of standard deviations, which was not correct. So we did that again (convert each list to it's respective z-score) with the skills, weights, and attribute's summed values. Then we weighted them, same with the standard deviations. Then added each category's z-scores together, and again quadrature'd the (weighted/factored) standard deviations to get a final list of summed z-scores and a new standard deviation.
This list is ran through a normal cumulative distribution function, then multiplied by 1000 to get the final %
Post by: Tychocrash on March 24, 2012, 09:09:12 am
I can't change the nickname or professions through therapist; I edit the name and it's not reflected in therapist, though it's shown as a pending change. When I commit changes, it isn't reflected in the game.
Also, my waves are being split up strangely when sorting by wave. Every migrant wave is split up into different waves of three or four dwarves each. Children born in the fortress are considered their own wave, which I suppose makes sense.
Running 34.06 (same troubles in .05) with Mayday graphics. My files are also packaged inside the .app from the JollyBastion mod.
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 24, 2012, 02:37:57 pm
here's the packaged file with a few minor updates for those uncomfortable editing the ini files:
- added layouts for 34.06
- slightly tweaked the role formula once again for even shinier results
- fixed the sorting by name
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?kbt2gls4b4lgbc4)
@GoldenShadow: i haven't been able to reproduce any missing dwarves with my 5 test games so let me know if it does seem to be acting up and i'll try and fix it tomorrow
The bug regarding mining/woodcutting labors not forcing them to pick up equipemnt is present on your version as well as the official DT. I forged 5 new steel picks, enabled 5 new miners and turned off all other labors. They stay idle and don't get the picks. If have to go in-game pref>labors and toggle Mining off and back on and they all jump up to get get their equipment and start mining.
Post by: LoSboccacc on March 24, 2012, 03:18:08 pm
I'm running the OSX version (thanks by the way, it's amazing we finally have this...) and I've run into a couple issues.
I can't change the nickname or professions through therapist; I edit the name and it's not reflected in therapist, though it's shown as a pending change. When I commit changes, it isn't reflected in the game.
Also, my waves are being split up strangely when sorting by wave. Every migrant wave is split up into different waves of three or four dwarves each. Children born in the fortress are considered their own wave, which I suppose makes sense.
Running 34.06 (same troubles in .05) with Mayday graphics. My files are also packaged inside the .app from the JollyBastion mod.
I got the same with profession; wave instead, I get them all grouped as 0
Post by: splinterz on March 24, 2012, 04:54:04 pm
here's the packaged file with a few minor updates for those uncomfortable editing the ini files:
- added layouts for 34.06
- slightly tweaked the role formula once again for even shinier results
- fixed the sorting by name
download (http://www.mediafire.com/?kbt2gls4b4lgbc4)
@GoldenShadow: i haven't been able to reproduce any missing dwarves with my 5 test games so let me know if it does seem to be acting up and i'll try and fix it tomorrow
The bug regarding mining/woodcutting labors not forcing them to pick up equipemnt is present on your version as well as the official DT. I forged 5 new steel picks, enabled 5 new miners and turned off all other labors. They stay idle and don't get the picks. If have to go in-game pref>labors and toggle Mining off and back on and they all jump up to get get their equipment and start mining.
it was mentioned previously in the thread it's been fixed in both versions, but you'll have to manually update the layouts or download it again.
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 24, 2012, 06:08:04 pm
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/a5uo2
Post by: splinterz on March 24, 2012, 06:15:46 pm
I deleted the 34.06_graphics.ini and restarted DT. it detected the game version and downloaded the ini, but I am getting bad numbers on the attributes tab.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/a5uo2
until a merge is done the main dt doesn't quite use the same layout as the branch i've been working on. if you're using the build with attributes/roles/etc. you'll have to update your layout files with the ones here (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/#hg%2Fetc%2Fmemory_layouts%2Fwindows) or download the last version from my previous post in the thread.
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 24, 2012, 06:28:47 pm
I may have had an old version.
Post by: drh on March 24, 2012, 09:54:27 pm
Something I'd like to see out of DT is the capability to treat custom professions as job masks or logical overlays to assigned labors rather than absolute configurations -- all too often I want Urist McSmith and Urist McJones to have the same core profession (farmer, for example), but have McSmith butcher and cook while McJones processes plants and brews. As it is it's a little inconvenient having to select the profession and then manually (re)select additional jobs, or try to have someone basically have the jobs of two or more defined professions. Job masks would allow quite a bit more granular control over labor assignment.
Post by: thistleknot on March 25, 2012, 04:20:38 am
Suggestion, if it hasn't already been brought up:
Something I'd like to see out of DT is the capability to treat custom professions as job masks or logical overlays to assigned labors rather than abs :)olute configurations -- all too often I want Urist McSmith and Urist McJones to have the same core profession (farmer, for example), but have McSmith butcher and cook while McJones processes plants and brews. As it is it's a little inconvenient having to select the profession and then manually (re)select additional jobs, or try to have someone basically have the jobs of two or more defined professions. Job masks would allow quite a bit more granular control over labor assignment.
Post by: Garath on March 25, 2012, 05:35:24 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 25, 2012, 05:44:50 pm
babies born in between immigration waves are now counted as a seperate "wave". awesome.That's always been true. DT looks for the ID of each creature, as they occur in sequence. 1-7 will be dwarves, 8-10 will be groundhogs, 11-13 will be your first migrant wave, DT just interprets them into groups.
Of course this doesn't work much anymore, with historical migrants having different creature IDs, it's possible that your 5th migrant wave will have dwarves with an ID lower than the starting 7.
Post by: Schattensonner on March 25, 2012, 10:40:25 pm
Can we combine multible roles into a new/custom one ?
For example I want to have the evaluation of a custom profession I defined, let it be my "Forager" (Woodcutter+Herbalist(+opt. Beekeeper)) for now.
Right now I just arranged the corresponding skills/roles to be next to each other in the gridview, but I´d rather just have the "Forager" role which is just combination of those 2 (+1/2) basic roles.
Well, I could just combine those 2+ roles by using the respective skills/attributes/traits/whatever in the ini-file, but it seems like a quite clumsy solution.
I wonder if its possible to let the Forager role use the respective other roles values (WC/Herb/(BK)) in the calculations.
Maybe in the Ini it could just look a bit like this..
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If this is already implented in some way, Id be thankful if someone could point me into the right direction, I cant find it myself right now.
btw.. Big thanks to all of you who work on this essential tool
Post by: splinterz on March 26, 2012, 03:19:14 am
I have a question/suggestion about/for splinterz version
Can we combine multible roles into a new/custom one ?
For example I want to have the evaluation of a custom profession I defined, let it be my "Forager" (Woodcutter+Herbalist(+opt. Beekeeper)) for now.
Right now I just arranged the corresponding skills/roles to be next to each other in the gridview, but I´d rather just have the "Forager" role which is just combination of those 2 (+1/2) basic roles.
Well, I could just combine those 2+ roles by using the respective skills/attributes/traits/whatever in the ini-file, but it seems like a quite clumsy solution.
I wonder if its possible to let the Forager role use the respective other roles values (WC/Herb/(BK)) in the calculations.
Maybe in the Ini it could just look a bit like this..Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If this is already implented in some way, Id be thankful if someone could point me into the right direction, I cant find it myself right now.
btw.. Big thanks to all of you who work on this essential tool
no it's not setup to handle recursive role declarations. you'll have to just add all the attributes, skills and traits to one role.
Post by: thistleknot on March 26, 2012, 12:06:57 pm
I have a question/suggestion about/for splinterz version
Can we combine multible roles into a new/custom one ?
For example I want to have the evaluation of a custom profession I defined, let it be my "Forager" (Woodcutter+Herbalist(+opt. Beekeeper)) for now.
Right now I just arranged the corresponding skills/roles to be next to each other in the gridview, but I´d rather just have the "Forager" role which is just combination of those 2 (+1/2) basic roles.
Well, I could just combine those 2+ roles by using the respective skills/attributes/traits/whatever in the ini-file, but it seems like a quite clumsy solution.
I wonder if its possible to let the Forager role use the respective other roles values (WC/Herb/(BK)) in the calculations.
Maybe in the Ini it could just look a bit like this..Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If this is already implented in some way, Id be thankful if someone could point me into the right direction, I cant find it myself right now.
btw.. Big thanks to all of you who work on this essential tool
no it's not setup to handle recursive role declarations. you'll have to just add all the attributes, skills and traits to one role.
Let's just hope a gui interface for modifying/creating roles get's implemented soon! ;)
Post by: Flobulon on March 26, 2012, 01:22:31 pm
Thanks to everybody for all their hard work on such an invaluable tool!
Post by: Meph on March 26, 2012, 02:37:56 pm
Post by: Flobulon on March 26, 2012, 04:19:54 pm
Post by: Yobgod on March 26, 2012, 07:57:04 pm
Call me spoiled, but I simply cannot run any reasonably sized fortress without DT anymore. It's not worth the pain.
Post by: cousac on March 26, 2012, 08:19:55 pm
Post by: TerminatorII on March 26, 2012, 08:48:49 pm
Post by: Yobgod on March 26, 2012, 09:27:35 pm
I too do not use debian. I compiled my DT so i have no issues.
What source did you use? I had trouble even finding something compilable. (FWIW: I'm on Fedora.)
Post by: thistleknot on March 26, 2012, 09:56:00 pm
any chance DT could be upgraded to tell you who the vampires are?
already implemented, look under options! ;)
Post by: BigFatStupidHead on March 26, 2012, 10:02:30 pm
I've been trying, but just cannot get vanilla 0.6.12 to recognize v0.34.06. I do have a slightly odd situation because I run the linux DF and the windows DT under wine (because I don't do a .deb compatible distribution), but that shouldn't be an issue. Previously I've just dropped the right .ini files into the right memory_layout folders and I've been good to go. This worked, for example, with v0.34.02.I've run both under Wine, and never had trouble. When I have only run one native, DT doesn't see DF.
Call me spoiled, but I simply cannot run any reasonably sized fortress without DT anymore. It's not worth the pain.
Post by: cousac on March 26, 2012, 11:02:24 pm
I too do not use debian. I compiled my DT so i have no issues.
What source did you use? I had trouble even finding something compilable. (FWIW: I'm on Fedora.)
i used the GIT address at the DT google code site to clone the branch and then compiled.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 27, 2012, 12:23:49 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 27, 2012, 12:39:34 am
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4848/improved.jpg)
And here is current version... missing infos, while this downgrad in feature?
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2176/vanillaq.jpg)
Post by: thistleknot on March 27, 2012, 02:36:17 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Update: never mind...
Post by: splinterz on March 27, 2012, 03:41:32 am
Just to be clear, here is the view on a Dwarf with DT I downloaded on March 15, "Dwarf Therapist-7.zip". You could see stats (some are misread in version 0.34.06 but it worked superfine in 0.34.05) and age. On Break dwarfs would show with a blue dot.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
the first picture is definitely using the wrong layout files, indicated by the -1 for strength and agility. the second picture you should have an attributes pane in between skills and traits, i'm guessing it's the same problem with layout files since it's also not showing the age.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 27, 2012, 04:03:25 am
Post by: splinterz on March 27, 2012, 06:48:36 am
Ok thanks, how one (that would be me :P ) restores layout to defaults/fix the issues?
snip
you'll have to update your layout files with the ones here (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/#hg%2Fetc%2Fmemory_layouts%2Fwindows) or download the last version from my previous post in the thread.
Post by: splinterz on March 27, 2012, 06:57:45 am
any feedback would be much appreciated!
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7130/7020615365_777935a59b_z.jpg)
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 27, 2012, 07:19:59 am
In the right click/show details, if you get a scrollbar, then all I would say, with a cut at 25% fitness?
imho anyway!
Something I wanted to ask since some time? It seems no util (DFHack included) allows Dwarf renaming. And by renaming I don't mean the nickname or profession. DF Hack allows a Squad renaming though. Would it be hard to code that? When you start having dozens of Dwarves, sometime you want slightly simpler names for a few choosen...
Post by: expwnent on March 27, 2012, 07:25:52 am
Post by: luppolo on March 27, 2012, 07:30:44 am
Post by: thistleknot on March 27, 2012, 08:58:35 am
In the tooltip, the first x, with x being an option set to 10 by default, but changeable by user with the Options Menu.
In the right click/show details, if you get a scrollbar,..."
I like that, an option to expand beyond a default x. I say more than 3, but even if you only showed 3, a user could expand the rest if he wants to see it! It's the best of both worlds!
If using a top 3 or top 10 (static) only dispaly, it might be desirable to choose what roles are alloweed to be listed, otherwise roles that are displayed may be roles the player never assigns.
Update: Actually, I love scrollbars! Basically, as long as I have an option to see it all somewhere, I'm happy. I wasn't aware that I was looking at two different parts of DT.
Post by: Yobgod on March 27, 2012, 10:11:35 am
I too do not use debian. I compiled my DT so i have no issues.
What source did you use? I had trouble even finding something compilable. (FWIW: I'm on Fedora.)
i used the GIT address at the DT google code site to clone the branch and then compiled.
Ah... thanks. My mistake was trying to go through the DT project page linked in this thread.
A little compilation and we are working once more!!
Post by: melkor on March 27, 2012, 10:31:41 am
Post by: thistleknot on March 27, 2012, 11:21:10 am
dam 108 pages.... can i ask about vampire do they still not show up in the list of dwarfs and if you change there names in the therapist do they still not change in the game
Man, this is getting asked a lot. Just yesterday.
There's an option for "dirty cheater's" in the options menu to show cursed dwarves. As far as I can tell, the nickname exploit has been fixed since version 34.03 or 34.04.
Post by: orius on March 27, 2012, 12:14:13 pm
i started to be slightly annoyed with going back and forth between labours and roles so i've been toying with the idea of adding a roles pane to the dwarf details, or adding the top roles to the tooltip, or both! i'm concerned this extra pane is cluttering things. perhaps listing all the roles is a bit much as well, perhaps top 10 would be sufficient?
any feedback would be much appreciated!
I like this idea. It would make roles easier to examine than having to go back and forth between different tabs. Either way doesn't really matter to me to much I guess. And limiting the roles to the top 10 is a good idea. Or just the roles that are at least at 50% or more.
Post by: Maldevious on March 27, 2012, 12:27:42 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 27, 2012, 12:47:21 pm
I'd like a "mass nicknamer". Right now it'll just say "slow down there" so somebody thought about it and decided not to? Seems strange. Sometimes I want to check my units list for vampires and it's unsorted so it's annoying to have to search through the entire list a dozen times. Nicknames add quotes to the start, making people easy to find.Grab Splinterz' release. It allows mass nicknaming. When I process migrants, I name the unskilled ones "Blank" and being able to name 20 blanks at once is very useful.
Post by: TerminatorII on March 27, 2012, 01:13:21 pm
any chance DT could be upgraded to tell you who the vampires are?
already implemented, look under options! ;)
Ok so I have poured over all 8 checks on options and NONE of them say anything about curses, etc.
Post by: fredrol on March 27, 2012, 01:34:49 pm
i started to be slightly annoyed with going back and forth between labours and roles so i've been toying with the idea of adding a roles pane to the dwarf details, or adding the top roles to the tooltip, or both! i'm concerned this extra pane is cluttering things. perhaps listing all the roles is a bit much as well, perhaps top 10 would be sufficient?
any feedback would be much appreciated!
I was thinking about this just a moment ago and agree with the above posters. If it's possible, throw in an "Show X roles in tooltip and Y roles in details dock" option under file -> options, where X = 3 and Y = 10 default. Or something like that. In any case, it's a welcome improvement.
Post by: Kaos on March 27, 2012, 03:14:15 pm
When the caravan left he left as usual and disappeared from DT.
Post by: toasteur on March 27, 2012, 03:26:03 pm
i started to be slightly annoyed with going back and forth between labours and roles so i've been toying with the idea of adding a roles pane to the dwarf details, or adding the top roles to the tooltip, or both! i'm concerned this extra pane is cluttering things. perhaps listing all the roles is a bit much as well, perhaps top 10 would be sufficient?
any feedback would be much appreciated!
i think that instead of trying to fit too much information in the same pane, which can be such an ui design nightmare, one way to resolve the problem would be to split different groups of labor into different pane. the full labor pane would stille be needed for some tasks, but often i find myself having too much columns to fit in the screen and having more specialized pane would help to achieve this goal.
different people have different taste, so if it was possible to configure the content of a pane from a config file like this is done for the roles, but in a more general way.
may i suggest using xml for the config, because i find it more usable as soon as you need some kid of tree structure. also it tends to be much more strongly typed to avoid syntax errors.
my idea would be that a list of 'columns' nodes would be defined (could be a role, an attribute, a job) with the appropriate data to populate it. (code for display, click handling and sort would be done for each type of column, afterwards it's just a matter of giving the correct properties)
then there would be 'groups' nodes to allow for a specific coloring and get a separator between groups.
then a 'pane' node would contain a list of group nodes.
with this, a user could himself define the panes he wants to use (existing panes would be defined by default) and what each pane contains.
also maybe another type of special column, which would be a sort of 'custom job' column and which would be a list of jobs which when clicked would toggle all the associated jobs on or off.
given the fact that you already dynamically construct the roles pane from a config, can i guess it would be easy enough to implement?
here a quick sample of how it could look
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: thistleknot on March 27, 2012, 03:57:23 pm
any chance DT could be upgraded to tell you who the vampires are?
already implemented, look under options! ;)
Ok so I have poured over all 8 checks on options and NONE of them say anything about curses, etc.
I'll have to get back to you on that later tonight then. I know it was Splinterz version that had the option. I've checked it myself for both child labors, and finding vampires...
Post by: cousac on March 27, 2012, 04:42:26 pm
I too do not use debian. I compiled my DT so i have no issues.
What source did you use? I had trouble even finding something compilable. (FWIW: I'm on Fedora.)
i used the GIT address at the DT google code site to clone the branch and then compiled.
Ah... thanks. My mistake was trying to go through the DT project page linked in this thread.
A little compilation and we are working once more!!
Fret not good buddy, I've been there many a times myself. It only recently I thought to compile from git. :)
Post by: Werra on March 27, 2012, 08:06:41 pm
If using a top 3 or top 10 (static) only dispaly, it might be desirable to choose what roles are alloweed to be listed, otherwise roles that are displayed may be roles the player never assigns.
I think a "show the top roles for this dwarf" is a brilliant idea - I normally sit there scanning across the roles grid to see if they are good at anything in particular - but also some of the roles are not relevant to the way I play, or the stage I am at (Liar, Pump Operator, woodcutter if I am buried) so being able to limit what shows would also be great...
How about we add a simple list to start with, and enable options down the track...
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I have been playing DF for years, and compiling my own DT/DFHack - congratulations splinterz (and other contributors), you have finally motivated me to stop lurking and actually make a comment :o
We appreciate your menacing spikes of awesomeness...
Post by: TerminatorII on March 27, 2012, 08:35:29 pm
Post by: maseck on March 27, 2012, 09:21:06 pm
Anybody got suggestions or comments for me?
Post by: thistleknot on March 27, 2012, 10:12:42 pm
any chance DT could be upgraded to tell you who the vampires are?
already implemented, look under options! ;)
Ok so I have poured over all 8 checks on options and NONE of them say anything about curses, etc.
I'll have to get back to you on that later tonight then. I know it was Splinterz version that had the option. I've checked it myself for both child labors, and finding vampires...
Yep, in splinterz version, under file-options "highlight cursed dwarves". SPLINTERZ VERSION.
Post by: thistleknot on March 27, 2012, 10:15:49 pm
So, I'm currently making a version of DwarfTherapist that implements lua scripting. I started yesterday with no experience with DwarfTherapist's code base, no experience with QT Creator, and my only experiences with lua is that of browsing the manual. From where I am now, I feel that I can pull this off. The lua scripts should be able to add pending changes, process information about the dwarfs and stuff like that.
Anybody got suggestions or comments for me?
Nevermind
http://www.cs2d.com/tut/tkdlua/luatut.html
Post by: 0x517A5D on March 28, 2012, 10:47:00 am
So, I'm currently making a version of DwarfTherapist that implements lua scripting. I started yesterday with no experience with DwarfTherapist's code base, no experience with QT Creator, and my only experiences with lua is that of browsing the manual. From where I am now, I feel that I can pull this off. The lua scripts should be able to add pending changes, process information about the dwarfs and stuff like that.
Humor me will you, what's lua? So many languages, so little time... I think I saw your comment on reddit.
Lua (http://www.lua.org/) is a 'little language'. You don't write entire programs in it, you write scripts that hook into a base program. It's integrated into some pretty big projects, such as the World of Warcraft client.
Syntactically, I think it's a crisp and fruity blend of Pascal and C, with spicy object-oriented overtones reminiscent of Python. It does not have C's syntactical sugar operators such as ++.
Semantically, it has newer concepts taken from Java, Python and Perl. E.g. closures and anonymous functions, coroutines, context-sensitive return values, a Perl-style generic for operator, and an equivalent to eval() at runtime.
Post by: Andir on March 28, 2012, 10:58:04 am
Syntactically, I think it's a crisp and fruity blend of Pascal and C, with spicy object-oriented overtones reminiscent of Python. It does not have C's syntactical sugar operators such as ++.Did I step into the Food Channel?
Post by: miauw62 on March 28, 2012, 12:47:44 pm
I find writing things in lua quite fun, even tough ive never done it, the tuts i read (wich are prob outdated) do make it look quite fun, and i was planning to use it whit the minecraft mod computercraft, but i nowhere found how to accept user input, and i had no inspiration.So, I'm currently making a version of DwarfTherapist that implements lua scripting. I started yesterday with no experience with DwarfTherapist's code base, no experience with QT Creator, and my only experiences with lua is that of browsing the manual. From where I am now, I feel that I can pull this off. The lua scripts should be able to add pending changes, process information about the dwarfs and stuff like that.
Humor me will you, what's lua? So many languages, so little time... I think I saw your comment on reddit.
Lua (http://www.lua.org/) is a 'little language'. You don't write entire programs in it, you write scripts that hook into a base program. It's integrated into some pretty big projects, such as the World of Warcraft client.
Syntactically, I think it's a crisp and fruity blend of Pascal and C, with spicy object-oriented overtones reminiscent of Python. It does not have C's syntactical sugar operators such as ++.
Semantically, it has newer concepts taken from Java, Python and Perl. E.g. closures and anonymous functions, coroutines, context-sensitive return values, a Perl-style generic for operator, and an equivalent to eval() at runtime.
Post by: drh on March 28, 2012, 01:24:50 pm
Post by: vityav on March 28, 2012, 01:40:06 pm
Does the splinterz build have Linux memory layouts available for 34.06? I can't find anything in the Google page for the splinterz fork (which was also hard to locate, BTW) or anywhere.
I posted the addresses I found that work for splinterz's build for linux here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3123370#msg3123370
I haven't tested them extensively yet, but they work for everything I've done so far.
Post by: Intrinsic on March 28, 2012, 02:23:35 pm
And something must be wrong with how DT values a skill, 2 examples:
dorf1 with just 500xp in gem setting is listed as being 97.79% fit for the job, without any skill weighting he is 45.23% fit.
dorf2 with just 1500xp in gem setting is listed as being 100% fit for the job, without any skill weighting he is 43.89% fit.
I wouldn't be surprised to see that having just set 1 gem(from 0xp) would change dorf3's fitness for the role a fair amount, i'll try and test that today or tomorrow.
I would hope to expect a skill level of 7-10 to start to out weight attributes in the calculations.
Edit: Quick test i did with dorf3, odd results.
At 0.01 skill weight 1 gem set took him from 49.36% to 49.71%
At 1.00 skill weight 1 gem set took him from 43.80% to 43.84% O.o
This makes zero sense, a far far far lower skill weight = a far higher fitness% increase? O.o
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 28, 2012, 02:54:29 pm
Post by: chris_v on March 28, 2012, 03:17:57 pm
Post by: i2amroy on March 28, 2012, 03:22:56 pm
Do we know how traits and attributes affect skilled labor? If a dwarf is matched to a role based on attributes, how does he differ from an opposite dwarf, unfit for the role, at the same task assuming equal skill levels. Does the one fit for the role work faster? produce higher quality items? skill up faster? none of the above?Attribute data on the wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Attributes#Skills_by_Associated_Attributes)
Agility makes everything better.
Post by: thistleknot on March 28, 2012, 04:12:52 pm
Do we know how traits and attributes affect skilled labor? If a dwarf is matched to a role based on attributes, how does he differ from an opposite dwarf, unfit for the role, at the same task assuming equal skill levels. Does the one fit for the role work faster? produce higher quality items? skill up faster? none of the above?
I don't know if this answers your question, but there is a skill wiki as well\
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Skill
I'm still uncertain as to what skills actually are, as in how they are trained up, but apparently they are based on attributes.
Post by: splinterz on March 28, 2012, 04:24:02 pm
Bugzors: changing the skill weighting down to 0.00 in the options, and then changing it back to 1.00(or any number actually) has zero effect. DT requires a restart for it to start working again. You can set it down to 0.01 and changing it still works.
And something must be wrong with how DT values a skill, 2 examples:
dorf1 with just 500xp in gem setting is listed as being 97.79% fit for the job, without any skill weighting he is 45.23% fit.
dorf2 with just 1500xp in gem setting is listed as being 100% fit for the job, without any skill weighting he is 43.89% fit.
I wouldn't be surprised to see that having just set 1 gem(from 0xp) would change dorf3's fitness for the role a fair amount, i'll try and test that today or tomorrow.
I would hope to expect a skill level of 7-10 to start to out weight attributes in the calculations.
Edit: Quick test i did with dorf3, odd results.
At 0.01 skill weight 1 gem set took him from 49.36% to 49.71%
At 1.00 skill weight 1 gem set took him from 43.80% to 43.84% O.o
This makes zero sense, a far far far lower skill weight = a far higher fitness% increase? O.o
what version are you using? are these tests with a role with only a skill, or are there traits and attributes as well? normally the farther from the mean an aspect gets, the more value it's considered to have. why would you only want to consider skills over 7?
i'll look into the zero issue with the global weights.
Post by: Spotty on March 28, 2012, 04:32:53 pm
Sorry if this has already been discussed, I know the vampire thing comes up pretty often but I haven't seen anyone mention Legends.
Post by: thistleknot on March 28, 2012, 04:58:32 pm
Bugzors: changing the skill weighting down to 0.00 in the options, and then changing it back to 1.00(or any number actually) has zero effect. DT requires a restart for it to start working again. You can set it down to 0.01 and changing it still works.
And something must be wrong with how DT values a skill, 2 examples:
dorf1 with just 500xp in gem setting is listed as being 97.79% fit for the job, without any skill weighting he is 45.23% fit.
dorf2 with just 1500xp in gem setting is listed as being 100% fit for the job, without any skill weighting he is 43.89% fit.
If you took out skill weights, then it wouldn't matter who had higher lower skills, it would then base the role on attributes/traits.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see that having just set 1 gem(from 0xp) would change dorf3's fitness for the role a fair amount, i'll try and test that today or tomorrow.you can't use these assumptions. As it's based on what the average xp value is for all dwarf's (i.e. the mean), depending on what your min value is (most likely 0), and your max (whatever your max dwarf is at, say 1500), then deviations from the mean would start to throw %'s off, say your mean was 750.
I would hope to expect a skill level of 7-10 to start to out weight attributes in the calculations.
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Edit: Quick test i did with dorf3, odd results.
At 0.01 skill weight 1 gem set took him from 49.36% to 49.71%
At 1.00 skill weight 1 gem set took him from 43.80% to 43.84% O.o
This makes zero sense, a far far far lower skill weight = a far higher fitness% increase? O.o
I don't get this last part. I get the weights, but what do you mean by 1 gem? 1 gem experience? If it's 1 gem experience, then your deviation from mean barely changed, (ex, mean is 750, 1 exp vs 0 exp to 750 is nothing). These numbers themselves would produce z-scores, and then these z-scores would be multiplied by either .01 or 1.
Example: A 1 gem (i.e. a 1 exp?... vs a mean somewhere around 750), would yield a deviation from mean of -749, converted to some negative z-score. Which would be multiplied by the weight. The .01 weight would minimize the z-score to .01 it's value, it also means the stdev of that dataset would also be reduced to .01 before being combined with the other standard deviations. In the end, the .01 weight would mean that the deviation from mean would contribute very little to the overall %, meaning attributes and skills would have a higher weight. The 1 weight would retain the same zscore, and standard deviation, contributing more to the overall %. Which means skills would contribute more to the overall %.
It's hard to see without using a spreadsheet using the formula vs your results, and known mean's, sdev's (which could be done as v9 output's means and sdev's I believe when you hover the mouse over specific instances of attributes, skills, traits).
What I can do is use pastebin to paste the formula that Splinterz used as his basis if you want to follow along the calculations, but I'll have to do that later tonight...
Here you guys go!
http://pastebin.com/v71VrBfM
Update:
I am not able to spot check against a spreadsheet as the stdev' and mean's are no longer listed in (v9), they were in v8... oh well. I was hoping to post a link to a mediafire spreadsheet showing the calculations...
Post by: Kaos on March 28, 2012, 10:31:45 pm
ok I didn't know htere were multiple versions... I just have the one that's under the first page here. what's the link to the other one>?this, I didn't know either until I saw some random posts in this thread, some of there have very interesting features.
I know these versions are like little tests for proof of concept of new features and will eventually get integrated into the main release, but meanwhile could we have all the links to these other versions on the first page along with what they do? Just so that people that want to try them at their own risk can get them easily without hunting posts through all the thread.
Post by: thistleknot on March 28, 2012, 11:25:44 pm
ok I didn't know htere were multiple versions... I just have the one that's under the first page here. what's the link to the other one>?this, I didn't know either until I saw some random posts in this thread, some of there have very interesting features.
I know these versions are like little tests for proof of concept of new features and will eventually get integrated into the main release, but meanwhile could we have all the links to these other versions on the first page along with what they do? Just so that people that want to try them at their own risk can get them easily without hunting posts through all the thread.
That's a good point, maybe we should have a front page posts to the diff versions. Would help a lot. I know that depends on the original author of the post.
Post by: Intrinsic on March 29, 2012, 12:50:25 am
Bugzors: changing the skill weighting down to 0.00 in the options, and then changing it back to 1.00(or any number actually) has zero effect. DT requires a restart for it to start working again. You can set it down to 0.01 and changing it still works.
And something must be wrong with how DT values a skill, 2 examples:
dorf1 with just 500xp in gem setting is listed as being 97.79% fit for the job, without any skill weighting he is 45.23% fit.
dorf2 with just 1500xp in gem setting is listed as being 100% fit for the job, without any skill weighting he is 43.89% fit.
I wouldn't be surprised to see that having just set 1 gem(from 0xp) would change dorf3's fitness for the role a fair amount, i'll try and test that today or tomorrow.
I would hope to expect a skill level of 7-10 to start to out weight attributes in the calculations.
Edit: Quick test i did with dorf3, odd results.
At 0.01 skill weight 1 gem set took him from 49.36% to 49.71%
At 1.00 skill weight 1 gem set took him from 43.80% to 43.84% O.o
This makes zero sense, a far far far lower skill weight = a far higher fitness% increase? O.o
what version are you using? are these tests with a role with only a skill, or are there traits and attributes as well? normally the farther from the mean an aspect gets, the more value it's considered to have. why would you only want to consider skills over 7?
i'll look into the zero issue with the global weights.
The very latest version you posted.
Attributes and traits left as 1.00. Only 1 skill...gem setting. The 2 dorfs had near identicle attribs(ie only a few points out in each attrib)
Code: [Select]
Creativity Kinesthetic Spatial
dorf1: 1250 1001 1498
dorf2: 1250 1004 1503No traits listed as associated with this skill.
Not only counting a skill if it's over 7, but at skill over 7-10 it starts to balance out vs attribs, ie they become equally important, not that a skill level of 6 suddenly has zero value, i never said that. As it stands dorf1 with 0.017% total skill xp is being shown as being over 50% better than if DT doesn't take skill into account. Can you see how that sounds completely insane?
And i guess you missed the number after the decimal point above, but with a skill weighting of just 0.01 it sees a 30xp(ie 1 gem set) as being worth 0.35%. But on that same gem set if i set the skill weight to 1.00 then it sees it as being only worth 0.04%...again, i shouldn't need to explain how this is wrong ;p
It's almost like 1xp is equal to 1 in an attribute(or combo of all attribs associated with the skill) instead of it taking into account the range for a skill's exp level goes upto 29k.
Edit: i just wanted to add: with all weights being at 1.00, each should have equal importance, but currently that is not the case, it's not even slightly out of balance, it's lighyears off. When a dorf is rated at ~45% on his attributes alone, a measly 500xp(~0.017% of the maximum xp he can get in a skill) should not equate to him suddenly being ~97% fit for the job. And now i'm off fishing :)
Post by: -A_Dwarven_Bard- on March 29, 2012, 12:52:27 am
Post by: Intrinsic on March 29, 2012, 12:56:03 am
QuoteEdit: Quick test i did with dorf3, odd results.
At 0.01 skill weight 1 gem set took him from 49.36% to 49.71%
At 1.00 skill weight 1 gem set took him from 43.80% to 43.84% O.o
This makes zero sense, a far far far lower skill weight = a far higher fitness% increase? O.o
I don't get this last part. I get the weights, but what do you mean by 1 gem? 1 gem experience? If it's 1 gem experience, then your deviation from mean barely changed, (ex, mean is 750, 1 exp vs 0 exp to 750 is nothing). These numbers themselves would produce z-scores, and then these z-scores would be multiplied by either .01 or 1.
Example: A 1 gem (i.e. a 1 exp?... vs a mean somewhere around 750), would yield a deviation from mean of -749, converted to some negative z-score. Which would be multiplied by the weight. The .01 weight would minimize the z-score to .01 it's value, it also means the stdev of that dataset would also be reduced to .01 before being combined with the other standard deviations. In the end, the .01 weight would mean that the deviation from mean would contribute very little to the overall %, meaning attributes and skills would have a higher weight. The 1 weight would retain the same zscore, and standard deviation, contributing more to the overall %. Which means skills would contribute more to the overall %.
"1 gem set" = Got the dorf to set 1 gem at the jewel shop, ie 30xp per set.
Post by: i2amroy on March 29, 2012, 01:56:51 am
You're my HERO for including a mac option be default now. I do not miss the first time I tried to get it running using wine and realizing that I've overhauled my mac too far! :PAgreed. It would still be nice to get custom profession names to be able to be assigned through therapist though (right now it says it assigns them but doesn't change them in-game).
Post by: splinterz on March 29, 2012, 04:55:49 am
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The very latest version you posted.
Attributes and traits left as 1.00. Only 1 skill...gem setting. The 2 dorfs had near identicle attribs(ie only a few points out in each attrib)Code: [Select]Creativity Kinesthetic Spatial
dorf1: 1250 1001 1498
dorf2: 1250 1004 1503
No traits listed as associated with this skill.
Not only counting a skill if it's over 7, but at skill over 7-10 it starts to balance out vs attribs, ie they become equally important, not that a skill level of 6 suddenly has zero value, i never said that. As it stands dorf1 with 0.017% total skill xp is being shown as being over 50% better than if DT doesn't take skill into account. Can you see how that sounds completely insane?
And i guess you missed the number after the decimal point above, but with a skill weighting of just 0.01 it sees a 30xp(ie 1 gem set) as being worth 0.35%. But on that same gem set if i set the skill weight to 1.00 then it sees it as being only worth 0.04%...again, i shouldn't need to explain how this is wrong ;p
It's almost like 1xp is equal to 1 in an attribute(or combo of all attribs associated with the skill) instead of it taking into account the range for a skill's exp level goes upto 29k.
Edit: i just wanted to add: with all weights being at 1.00, each should have equal importance, but currently that is not the case, it's not even slightly out of balance, it's lighyears off. When a dorf is rated at ~45% on his attributes alone, a measly 500xp(~0.017% of the maximum xp he can get in a skill) should not equate to him suddenly being ~97% fit for the job. And now i'm off fishing :)
i'll do more testing, but i'm very surprised that dwarf2 with 2/3 attributes lower was actually ranked higher than dwarf1, with the skills at 0 weight. same with 1.0 vs 0.01 for weights, i can't believe that 0.01 gives a higher rating that 1.0 ???
here's the problem with skills that i think you're missing: most dwarves don't have most skills. this drops the mean/stdev very low. 0.000x kind of low. so yes, 0.017% in a skill is actually lightyears ahead of most of the other dwarves. if you only have one dwarf with 500xp in a skill, and the rest have 0xp, and there is any weight at all on the skill, he's going to get a huge bonus because relative to the other dwarves, he's much, much better for the job having even a tiny bit of xp. to summarize, relative to other dwarves (ie plotted on a normal distribution) it's doing exactly what it should.
that said, perhaps this isn't the best method to apply to skills since the normal distribution is obviously skewed for those skills which only a few dwarves possess. ideally a model which could accommodate both a skewed distribution and those distributions where skills are spread more evenly (ie. all dwarves with some military training) would be best. if you've got an idea on how to accomplish that, i'm all ears.
Post by: dreiche2 on March 29, 2012, 06:49:22 am
If I understand correctly, then ultimately/intuitively you're doing something like this: say you have two skills/attributes/whatever A and B. Then for each skill you determine how good the dwarf is relative to the other dwarves (say, better than 99% of the rest in skill A, better than 60% in skill B). Then to get a final fitness value, call it F, you effectively combine those scores (z-scores, to be precise) in a non-linear fashion that will give the 99% a much higher impact than the 60% (I think).
The problem is as Intrinsic's example shows that this is not necessarily a sensible thing to do, because you can be in the top 1% for skill A while still only being marginally better than everyone else in absolute terms. If that's the only skill that matters than yes, you're in the top 1% in terms of final fitness. But if there's another relevant skill B where the absolute differences are much higher, then that's what should be important, whereas the tiny absolute differences in skill A should be irrelevant really. But because you rescale each skill with the population's standard deviation, you effectively give skill A a high importance.
I think what it boils down to is that you should compute a combined fitness score in absolute terms, and only compute a relative measure in the final step. E.g., compute the fitness score F as a linear combination of all skill/etc. values that matter, weighting individual values according to their importance... and rescaling them according to their units/range, however, that rescaling should be in fixed, absolute terms, not relative to the population. Only once you have the final F score should you look at things in relative terms.
Intuitively, how well a dwarf fits a role is an absolute measure, depending on a combination of their skills etc. They might be very well suited to be cheesemaker or completely incompetent. Only once you have that measure should you look at how it compares to the rest of the population.
Does that make sense or am I completely off?
As a final note, I guess there are two different quantities of interest: how well a dwarf fits a role, and how well he or she compares. Thus you could report both the absolute fitness measure and a relative quantity...
Post by: splinterz on March 29, 2012, 08:03:51 am
Post by: thistleknot on March 29, 2012, 08:41:34 am
originally I wanted static values, but because some skills train attributes, it was hard to find a real average/standard deviation. So he opted for a moving average based on the population, which works rather nice. I actually like best fit approach...
However, I and he always noticed how the skills were skewed, but he thought and I eventually conceded that it wouldn't be an issue since say 50% of values r below mean and 50% above (npt necessarily dwarves). I think if we could address how to do a skewed distribution, the formula would work a bit better. I also do like best fit now, but I see why people might want an overall fit (maybe an option for the two?).
Update:
The reason we normalize twice is because of the weights that are applied at the attribute level, and then again at the global level. Not normalizing before applying weights a 2nd time at the global level would mean that the weights set in the 1st round (i.e. attributes, skills, traits level) would have an effect on the global weighting. So standardizing them fixes that.
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 29, 2012, 09:06:28 am
Post by: dreiche2 on March 29, 2012, 09:07:34 am
on the other hand we could go back to using a weighted average of the aspects, after scaling them to a percentile of the absolute maximums. thoughts?
Again with the caveat that I haven't followed the details of the discussion so far (nor played DF much recently, nor ever used Therapist for that matter, so I don't know much about the inner workings of DF), but yes, I'm afraid the simplest solution might make the most sense here. I.e. scale everything to a range 0 to 1 (or 0% to 100%), linearly combine the aspects with the weights, and again renormalise to 0 to 1 (or have the weights be normalised to add to one to begin with, boils down to the same thing).
Then what you do with that score afterwards is the next question. I guess at that point there's not much of a reason to treat that score differently from skills etc. in terms of how it is communicated. E.g. if you want to implement a feature that tells the user how the dwarf fares relatively to the rest of the fortress population, you could also give that as optional info for the skills themselves, not just the role scores.
As for how that relative measure should be computed, I'm not sure. The percentages given with the z score for example only really make sense (as actual percentages I mean) if the population is normally distributed, which I would presume is unlikely to be the case. It also depends on what you think the user actually wants to know. You could also just report in what percentile the dwarf is by ranking the scores. On the other hand, that measure wouldn't give you the info how far she or he is above the mean, etc. ... so yeah, it depends.
I guess in case of doubt the only thing that gives you the full picture would be plotting the whole distribution/histogram of dwarves in comparison ;)
Post by: thistleknot on March 29, 2012, 09:33:49 am
I'd prefer if roles only took attributes and traits into account, since you can already sort by skill levels on the actual labors page.
This would solve the skewed skills.
I honestly think the formula works fine for what it's supposed to do, just things like weights need to be taken into account and an understanding of skills skewness... but if we could apply the skewness to the skills distribution, I think it might be fixed.
Update: so we think we have a proposed solution/idea.
Calculate all cdfs as if they r skewed (weights might mess this up) or at the very least, just skills. Then do the same at the global level. Should allow for more accurate results taking skills skew into consideration
Update:
Any help on calculating a cumulative distribution function for skewed distributions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skew_normal_distribution#References (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skew_normal_distribution#References) is welcome. However, there isn't a clearcut way to calculate shape.
so far...
for shape
http://www.weibull.com/LifeDataWeb/estimation_of_the_weibull_parameter.htm (http://www.weibull.com/LifeDataWeb/estimation_of_the_weibull_parameter.htm) &
http://www.weibull.com/AccelTestWeb/calculating_the_parameters_of_the_weibull_distribution.htm (http://www.weibull.com/AccelTestWeb/calculating_the_parameters_of_the_weibull_distribution.htm)
location
http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/eda351.htm (http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/eda351.htm)
scale
http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/eda356.htm (http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/eda356.htm)
Excel stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M07Vp_TGBuM&feature=plcp&context=C43244afVDvjVQa1PpcFOBuqaE3P5Td9y03YG0nNcAu7sP5OzEwU8=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAdh3yv5pro
Post by: DirtyChineseCigarettes on March 29, 2012, 01:39:48 pm
I would like to customize them by changing the weighting of roles, a lot. for example i want my mechanics to be heavily intelligence weighted and my wardwarfs to put a 50% weighting on recouperability and disease resistance ONLY.
Looking at game_data.ini, I can find the formulas just right but the weightings dont make sense to me mathematically, they should add up to 1? For example:
26/name="Cook"
26/attributes/size=4
26/attributes/1/id=analytical ability
26/attributes/1/weight=0.5
26/attributes/2/id=agility
26/attributes/2/weight=0.5
26/attributes/3/id=creativity
26/attributes/3/weight=1.0
26/attributes/4/id=kinesthetic sense
26/attributes/4/weight=0.5
26/skills/size=1
26/skills/1/id=21
I want my cook to be more intelligent and creative than kinesthetic and agile, do I just make the weightings smaller? they total 2 instead of 1 so what if i change the total weights to equal 1.5???
Can I just delete weightings?
Post by: thistleknot on March 29, 2012, 02:07:53 pm
Could someone help explain to me how I go about changing the roles formula for the splinterz version of Therapist.
I would like to customize them by changing the weighting of roles, a lot. for example i want my mechanics to be heavily intelligence weighted and my wardwarfs to put a 50% weighting on recouperability and disease resistance ONLY.
Looking at game_data.ini, I can find the formulas just right but the weightings dont make sense to me mathematically, they should add up to 1? For example:
26/name="Cook"
26/attributes/size=4
26/attributes/1/id=analytical ability
26/attributes/1/weight=0.5
26/attributes/2/id=agility
26/attributes/2/weight=0.5
26/attributes/3/id=creativity
26/attributes/3/weight=1.0
26/attributes/4/id=kinesthetic sense
26/attributes/4/weight=0.5
26/skills/size=1
26/skills/1/id=21
I want my cook to be more intelligent and creative than kinesthetic and agile, do I just make the weightings smaller? they total 2 instead of 1 so what if i change the total weights to equal 1.5???
Can I just delete weightings?
they don't need to add to 1.
if you want mechanics heavility intelligent, just put your attribute weights for analytical at a ratio over what you want your non important skills to be. Example analytical at weight 2, and the rest at weight 1. So it will be weighted higher than the non intelligence attributes that are at 1 weight.
Post by: thistleknot on March 29, 2012, 02:20:18 pm
http://www.weibull.com/LifeDataWeb/estimation_of_the_weibull_parameter.htm (http://www.weibull.com/LifeDataWeb/estimation_of_the_weibull_parameter.htm)
Then we could use a Weibull distribution function (available in excel or scalc, scalc prefered as it's opensource), and maybe use the formula for skills.
Post by: dreiche2 on March 29, 2012, 02:26:16 pm
Also, could I ask you not to retroactively add content to your posts via editing after further replies have been posted? I wouldn't even have seen what you wrote if I hadn't gone back for unrelated reasons.
Post by: DirtyChineseCigarettes on March 29, 2012, 02:39:36 pm
Post by: Kogut on March 29, 2012, 02:46:30 pm
Post by: DirtyChineseCigarettes on March 29, 2012, 02:47:30 pm
Post by: thistleknot on March 29, 2012, 03:06:53 pm
Also I thought I would just throw this out there... Old versions of dwarf therapist used to have a bar at the top (above all the rows in the labour tab) which enabled EVERY dwarf in whichever column you clicked's labour. ie: you could just click 1 box and EVERY dwarf you had would turn on/off stonehauling or whatever depending on the column you clicked. I remember using this feature SO MUCH and miss it a hell of a lot. I guess I will just have to set up custom professions...
this feature is there, but you need to filter the dwarves by something, for example, gender/sex, and you'll have this bar at the location where the split occurs.
Post by: thistleknot on March 29, 2012, 03:10:53 pm
I'm not sure how using a more skewed distribution is going to solve the problem...
Also, could I ask you not to retroactively add content to your posts via editing after further replies have been posted? I wouldn't even have seen what you wrote if I hadn't gone back for unrelated reasons.
Well I updated prior posts so as not to "spam" the thread, but...it can make for hard following.
The problem seems to be not with how the attributes and traits are calculated, but in applying a normal curve to a skewed "skills" distribution. I was never able to verify if the calculations were being performed incorrectly and is why said user had some %'s backwards; however, I honestly think the original formula should work fine even with skewed data. I was just hoping to improve upon the original by using skewed distributions for skewed data to ensure accurate %'s being reported amongst the population.
What Splinterz was proposing was something entirely different that doesn't take any consideration for where the dwarve's are in relation to each other, which I didn't agree with.
If you have a better solution, please, let us know.
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I'm afraid the simplest solution might make the most sense here. I.e. scale everything to a range 0 to 1 (or 0% to 100%), linearly combine the aspects with the weights, and again renormalise to 0 to 1Yeah, I think that's what I was going for with the skewed distribution (since you pointed out z-scores don't work for non normal data). now most of the data does follow a normalish scheme, but we could convert to % more accurately if we did a skewed distribution.
Splinterz pointed out a way from a link I mined to possibly normalize skewed data (see bottom section, box-cot is one):
http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/boxcoxno.htm (http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/boxcoxno.htm)
I don't know, I kind of give up at this point. The formula for DT is probably gonna go in a different direction from deviations from mean if skewness is taken into account, and even if not, then it's probably not going to be counted at all, which won't count for individual ranges of attributes against each other.
I was thinking, maybe there's a way to remove all 0 valued skills from a skill % calculation, and incorporate the 0 value'ers as some sort of value in relation to those with actual exp.
Post by: DirtyChineseCigarettes on March 29, 2012, 03:28:29 pm
Also I thought I would just throw this out there... Old versions of dwarf therapist used to have a bar at the top (above all the rows in the labour tab) which enabled EVERY dwarf in whichever column you clicked's labour. ie: you could just click 1 box and EVERY dwarf you had would turn on/off stonehauling or whatever depending on the column you clicked. I remember using this feature SO MUCH and miss it a hell of a lot. I guess I will just have to set up custom professions...
this feature is there, but you need to filter the dwarves by something, for example, gender/sex, and you'll have this bar at the location where the split occurs.
ohhhh yeahhhhhh, you are one of the brighter peanuts in the turd.
Post by: dreiche2 on March 29, 2012, 04:00:38 pm
What Splinterz was proposing was something entirely different that doesn't take any consideration for where the dwarve's are in relation to each other, which I didn't agree with.
If you have a better solution, please, let us know.QuoteI'm afraid the simplest solution might make the most sense here. I.e. scale everything to a range 0 to 1 (or 0% to 100%), linearly combine the aspects with the weights, and again renormalise to 0 to 1Yeah, I think that's what I was going for with the skewed distribution (since you pointed out z-scores don't work for non normal data). now most of the data does follow a normalish scheme, but we could convert to % more accurately if we did a skewed distribution.
Well, my impression was that the problem isn't really that you don't fit the distributions properly (even though that is most likely true, too), but that it might not be ideal to combine the aspect values in the way you do. You say you don't like not taking into account how the dwarves compare to each other, but you'd still do that, only after you computed their respective role scores.
It might help clarifying what kind of behaviour you want the measure to have. Intuitively, to decide whether someone would make a good fighter by looking at their strength, agility, sword skill etc., would you really want to do go "oh look, he's in the top 0.00001% of sword fighters in my population, he most be optimally suited to be a fighter! I don't even care that he's below average in strength and agility by a good amount!"?... even if essentially everyone is shitty at sword fighting in your fort, he just happens to be the least shitty by a tiny little bit?
Because as far as I understand, that's what the current calculation will be doing (in a situation where sword skill has a very low standard deviation -- doesn't even have to have a mean at zero! -- and he's a tiny bit above mean, and where he's below average in strength and agility but those happen to have large standard deviations). And as far as I can see, that is not necessarily going to go away with better fitting distributions -- he might still be in the top 0.000001% in terms of sword fighting (because depending on how you measure it, he is.)
Sorry I didn't want to discourage you however! Maybe it's just a good idea to play around a bit with the different options. If you really need some more skewed distributions to fit your data, you might want to look into so-called heavy-tailed distributions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy-tailed_distribution), such as the log-normal distribution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-normal_distribution).
Post by: thistleknot on March 29, 2012, 04:20:05 pm
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I liked best fit approach, irregardless of whether the dwarf in the long run was a bad pick, as overtime, you really only wish to compare with fellow dwarves, and new dwarves will always adjust the calculation... Take for example a lot full of old beat up cars. Your job is to find the best car, not their ranking to all cars ever (which is far harder to calculate anyways), because you only have these set of cars to work with.
What else is one trying to compare it to? Is it worth knowing he's a bad fighter just because you know a static mean and sdev? Maybe, but to me I want a dwarf for the job regardless of my forts progression state.
Well, I think I found a partial solution. How to get shape parameter, which means a weibull function can be applied now.
http://www.qualitydigest.com/jan99/html/body_weibull.html
which means you can use the weibull function to get % for skewed distributions.
This doesn't figure out how to do deviations from means... but you can do weighted averages with these.
You might be able to do a deviations from mean's using a distance from 50%, but... I don't think that would work the same, as it would start throwing ranges off that I don't know how to reconcile like I did with z-scores.
btw, I LOVE MASTERS OF MAGIC!
Post by: splinterz on March 29, 2012, 04:57:39 pm
it would be nice to incorporate something that gives a bit more value the farther from the average, but the only way this will work is if there's a way to transform or handle the massive skewing that skills have. we'll see...
Post by: thistleknot on March 29, 2012, 05:12:26 pm
info of which can be found here.
http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/eda3669.htm
i wonder if I can use the info in the prior excel post on getting the shape... if so. Then I think I can get a working formula up.
Post by: dreiche2 on March 29, 2012, 05:33:52 pm
For your future tests, just keep in mind that this issue wasn't about whether to ultimately compare the score to that of the other dwarves -- this was about whether computing the score initially from the relative values makes sense.
Let me give you an example. Let's say you want to decide who's a good dwarf for a job based on an equal weighting of their strength and agility. Let's say dwarf Urist here has agility of 10.1 (never mind the values DF actually uses) and a strength of 5. Let's say for simplicity that there are 100 other dwarves; in terms of agility, say all of them have agility 10. In terms of strength, let's say half of them have strength 5 and half have strength 15 [or something like that with larger stdev -- doesn't matter].
For agility across the population (including Urist), that gives me a stdev of about 0.01. For strength, a stdev of 5. If I normalise the values by dividing by their respective stdevs, this will essentially give a 5./0.01 = approx 500 times higher effective weight to the difference in agility compared to that in strength. I.e., if I'm not mistaken, your formula essentially assumes that the situation above is equivalent to one that looks like this (normalising by subtracting means and dividing by stdevs):
Urist has agility of about 10, while everyone else has one of -0.1.
Urist has strength of -1., while half of the population also has -1., and the other half +1.
Hence, as far as I can see in that case your formula would recommend us Urist over any other dwarf (in normalised terms, he's one stdev (=1.) below average in strength, but a whopping 10 stdevs above average in agility). In particular, it would prefer Urist at agility 10.1 and strength 5. over one of the dwarves with agility 10. and strength 15 (!) -- just because Urist happened to be 'so much better' in agility when measured in population stdevs.
Hope I didn't make a mistake somewhere, but if not, then that's maybe something to think about (or otherwise, to correct me on!).
Edit: typo etc.
Post by: osmo on March 29, 2012, 06:25:29 pm
The first few are about presentation. The way I look at it, Dwarf Therapist presents data to inform player decisions, then facilitates the implementation of these. The latter aspect is achieved through a skills-oriented tab, by activating or deactivating individual labours. Now, in the branch splinterz and others have been working on, there is an added roles tab. Most, though not all, of these roles map to a labour just like the skills presented on the standard labour tab. To me it would thus make sense, and enhance the usefulness of the tool, to replace the 'roles' indicator by a duplicate of the first tab, with the same capabilities in terms of directly activating and deactivating labours, just with a different set of data being showcased, whatever you eventually decide it to be. This way you could easily implement your choices, just based on different information. As a bonus, you could optionally present the second data set on either tab through a colour code, like a temperature scale. Say, tab 1 indicates skill and tab 2 a weighted 'fitness' score. Then tab 1 could show the familiar squares and diamonds, but colour-coded on a temperature scale from cold purple to hot red. This would make all the information accessible on both tabs, with a different focus. In the long run you could even have a chooser menu allowing you to customize your tabs to present any two datasets relating to individual dwarves. So your custom tab could, for example, offer two differently weighted fitness functions indicated by square size and colour, respectively.
I've excluded roles that aren't directly tied to labours in this. Those are military functions and those appointed through the nobles screen. You could tack them on at the end of the labours grid, but without the option to activate the jobs. But a separate, special roles tab seems preferable. The selection of relevant information offered would be largely identical to the labour-tied roles.
This takes me to another consideration - what information should one focus on in the first place for any second tab? Here, I think the enhanced Therapist can help with two key questions. Which dwarves are good at a job, and which dwarves have great potential for a job. Which ones can I make good use of right now (and maybe should relieve from other duties like hauling) and which ones could be trained to be the legends of the future? I think it would be great if the two tabs could focus on these individual aspects. My impression is that the former is chiefly a function of skill, whereas the latter largely depends on attributes and maybe traits. So, as a first approximation, having two tabs showcase those properties looks like a good plan to me. That is, I would probably want to disentangle skills from the mix shown on the second one. If my suggestion about colour-coding in the respective other dataset were to be implemented, switching back and forth shouldn't really be necessary anyway to confirm your choices.
Finally, some thoughts on the details of the data. I would generally advocate to try to keep matters simple and do as little as possible to the data as offered up by the game. That is, avoid weighing data, taking means into consideration and so forth. If you do, however, wish to improve things I could think of two very good metrics for the two key features I mentioned above, capability and potential. The first would be the rate at which a dwarf can do a job. The second would be a rate at which a dwarf gains experience whilst doing a job. Both can be measured in-game. As exact attribute and skill values at any one point can also be determined, it should be feasible to work out their exact relationships by relating those properties and then to model them. All it takes is a great measuring exercise. A rather laborious task, mind, but a possible one.
I'll offer a few TLDR takeaways
-replace roles tab with a second labour tab with the same capabilities in terms of assignments, just different data shown
-integrate information shown in tab 2 into tab 1 through colour coding, and vice versa.
-have separate tab for special roles that cannot be assigned as labours.
-create customizable tabs allowing for choice of data source and form of presentation
-have labour tab 1 generally focus on actual capability, tab 2 on potential. I.e. tab 1 skills, tab 2 attributes as a first guess.
-don't convolute, average, apply statistics or w.e. unless it clearly improves the quality of data presented to the user in informing his choices.
-determine the exact relationship of job speed/ rate of experience gain and skills/attributes/traits through measurement. Then make these metrics available in Dwarf Therapist
Post by: thistleknot on March 29, 2012, 07:38:41 pm
Update:
Basically, a sdev of .01 means that ~90% of the values are within .04 (or -2/+2 sdev's), so when you have 5 compared to .01, then you are talking about a x500 ratio! That's all a z-score is, a ratio to a stdev, a 1 sdev represents ~34%, -1 to 1 sdev's represents about 66%, -2 to 2 represents ~90%. So when you are 500 sdev's away, you should be weighted appropriately.
Update 2:
Yeah, okay, I see what your talking about.
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Urist has agility of about 10, while everyone else has one of -0.1.
Urist has strength of -1., while half of the population also has -1., and the other half +1.
Hence, as far as I can see in that case your formula would recommend us Urist over any other dwarf (in normalised terms, he's one stdev (=1.) below average in strength, but a whopping 10 stdevs above average in agility)
And yes, this is exactly what I was going for. Why? Because he was far far out there on a stat that other dwarve's were not, and this is true for ALL STAT'S that the dwarf is far out on. So it's equally applied to all stats. I wanted to weight the distance from the mean at a (dare I say exponential) rate, which also applies to values below the average as well.
Which is why I think my formula was working, or should have worked regardless of skewed skill distribution. As Splinterz had pointed out before, that the mean was still the mean of skills, i.e. the mean average value, so half the values were below the mean, and half above, so they would be rated exponentially the further they were away from this, but... I never thought a normal distribution should have been applied, but I didn't know how to do a skewed, I do now, but I'm not 100% sure on how to do a weighted deviation from mean with a skewed distribution, but... your log-normal distribution is showing promise as the log of values is supposedly a normal distribution, so I have some tests to run...
thistleknot:
For your future tests, just keep in mind that this issue wasn't about whether to ultimately compare the score to that of the other dwarves -- this was about whether computing the score initially from the relative values makes sense.
Let me give you an example. Let's say you want to decide who's a good dwarf for a job based on an equal weighting of their strength and agility. Let's say dwarf Urist here has agility of 10.1 (never mind the values DF actually uses) and a strength of 5. Let's say for simplicity that there are 100 other dwarves; in terms of agility, say all of them have agility 10. In terms of strength, let's say half of them have strength 5 and half have strength 15 [or something like that with larger stdev -- doesn't matter].
For agility across the population (including Urist), that gives me a stdev of about 0.01. For strength, a stdev of 5. If I normalise the values by dividing by their respective stdevs, this will essentially give a 5./0.01 = approx 500 times higher effective weight to the difference in agility compared to that in strength. I.e., if I'm not mistaken, your formula essentially assumes that the situation above is equivalent to one that looks like this (normalising by subtracting means and dividing by stdevs):
Urist has agility of about 10, while everyone else has one of -0.1.
Urist has strength of -1., while half of the population also has -1., and the other half +1.
Hence, as far as I can see in that case your formula would recommend us Urist over any other dwarf (in normalised terms, he's one stdev (=1.) below average in strength, but a whopping 10 stdevs above average in agility). In particular, it would prefer Urist at agility 10.1 and strength 5. over one of the dwarves with agility 10. and strength 15 (!) -- just because Urist happened to be 'so much better' in agility when measured in population stdevs.
Hope I didn't make a mistake somewhere, but if not, then that's maybe something to think about (or otherwise, to correct me on!).
Edit: typo etc.
Post by: Chagen46 on March 29, 2012, 08:10:18 pm
Is there any particular reason why?
Post by: Weazal on March 29, 2012, 08:16:28 pm
Since mainly I seem to be using Splinterz releases, for simplicity's sake I'm looking for a spot to check for a latest release pushed by him if there is one, rather than browsing through the thread each time to check for the same. If there's not I'm fine with browsing as necessary. Just thought I might inquire and see if there is listing of sorts
Thanks for your hard work guys.
Post by: thistleknot on March 29, 2012, 10:21:08 pm
Finally, some thoughts on the details of the data. I would generally advocate to try to keep matters simple and do as little as possible to the data as offered up by the game. That is, avoid weighing data, taking means into consideration and so forth. If you do, however, wish to improve things I could think of two very good metrics for the two key features I mentioned above, capability and potential. The first would be the rate at which a dwarf can do a job. The second would be a rate at which a dwarf gains experience whilst doing a job. Both can be measured in-game. As exact attribute and skill values at any one point can also be determined, it should be feasible to work out their exact relationships by relating those properties and then to model them. All it takes is a great measuring exercise. A rather laborious task, mind, but a possible one.
Blasphemy! I will defend my analysis of my new convoluted formula, why? Because it's the only such analysis of data I've ever seen that attempts to weight deviations from mean (averaged weights does not do this). And it took me a long time to come up with.
IF it is calculated wrong... well, that's another story, or if it's bad math... well, then that's another story.
But... I always was pushing for alternative formula's as being an option to choose from, as I believed weighted averages were an accurate description of stats, but... I thought that some descriptions of stats were more beneficial than others (especially for selection purposes).
So... your point of exp acceleration, and how quickly one does a job, those are nice... I think my formula tends to lead to the latter, but... your formula is hard to test and quantify (I think mine does quickness of job completion, but see my comment on weights), that's where the weights came in, the users could select them.
Maybe I'll push Splinterz to do multiple formula's... Not a ton, but weighted averages would be one for sure...
Post by: dreiche2 on March 30, 2012, 04:28:28 am
Most, though not all, of these roles map to a labour just like the skills presented on the standard labour tab. To me it would thus make sense, and enhance the usefulness of the tool, to replace the 'roles' indicator by a duplicate of the first tab, with the same capabilities in terms of directly activating and deactivating labours, just with a different set of data being showcased, whatever you eventually decide it to be. This way you could easily implement your choices, just based on different information.
Agreed, that's what I meant earlier with "there's not much of a reason to treat that score differently from skills etc.".
Blasphemy! I will defend my analysis of my new convoluted formula, why? Because it's the only such analysis of data I've ever seen that attempts to weight deviations from mean (averaged weights does not do this). And it took me a long time to come up with.
(emphasis mine) :) Yes, and I appreciate that! And I understand the intuition behind your choices, but I think at this point it might be useful to take a step back from different kinds of distribution and all those technical things and think about what outcome you actually want. In particular, do you really want a measure that does this:
In particular, it would prefer Urist at agility 10.1 and strength 5. over one of the dwarves with agility 10. and strength 15 (!) -- just because Urist happened to be 'so much better' in agility when measured in population stdevs.
Because no matter what distribution you use etc., as long as you do everything in terms of relative stdevs, this is what you're going to get. I mean if that's what you want, that's fine! I just think most other people will prefer other options ;)
Btw:
it would be nice to incorporate something that gives a bit more value the farther from the average, but the only way this will work is if there's a way to transform or handle the massive skewing that skills have. we'll see...
Could you elaborate a bit on what kind of behaviour you're looking for? What kind of situation gives you less weighting on exceptional values than desired?
Post by: DwarfEngineer on March 30, 2012, 09:42:30 am
Long story short, you guys are on your own regarding offsets until Monday.
Sorry! :'(
Post by: narhiril on March 30, 2012, 10:29:18 am
I'm actually in the process of moving right now - Toady's timing is impeccable, as usual.
Long story short, you guys are on your own regarding offsets until Monday.
Sorry! :'(
No problemo. Good luck with the move an thanks, as always, for the hard work.
Post by: thistleknot on March 30, 2012, 10:37:16 am
when splinterz mentioned
Quote
it would be nice to incorporate something that gives a bit more value the farther from the average, but the only way this will work is if there's a way to transform or handle the massive skewing that skills have. we'll see...
he was referring to the way my formula works (i.e. urist agility examples) (although, the same could be done using static means and stdev's vs populations).
Update:
Btw, I propopsed a quick fix to the skill issue to Splinterz. Just assume their is only 1 0 skilled dwarf when calculating skills distributions. It will put all 0 dorfs at 0% and scale a normal curve for those with ranking in skills.
Btw, I'm working on a log normal curve for skills, the above proposed fix may be a good temp fix in the meantime
Post by: melkor on March 30, 2012, 01:03:22 pm
i have used the highlight cured dwarves ( i'm a dirty cheater) and spotted a vampire. his age was 337. when i turn of the option his age is still 337.
i dont know if you will see the vampire real age when you never turn on the option, but that should be fixed when you turn the option of
Post by: slink on March 30, 2012, 01:49:08 pm
[info]
checksum=0x4f7592fe
version_name=v0.34.07 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x0182f670
language_vector=0x00182f650
creature_vector=0x017eb758
dwarf_race_index=0x01617ebc
squad_vector=0x01829a58
current_year=0x0101e1f0
Post by: Lockyy on March 30, 2012, 01:52:55 pm
[snipped]
Seems to work fine for me.
Post by: Garath on March 30, 2012, 02:00:35 pm
Post by: Lockyy on March 30, 2012, 02:19:58 pm
a bit more info on what to do for us knowledgeless?Follow the four steps in the image below
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Balin on March 30, 2012, 02:56:31 pm
P.S. already slab-ed two ghostly dwarven invaders bothering my fort. What's up with that? Were they janissaries kidnapped at young age?
Post by: Garath on March 30, 2012, 03:49:06 pm
Post by: slink on March 30, 2012, 03:51:04 pm
Post by: Garath on March 30, 2012, 03:54:41 pm
Post by: quintilius on March 30, 2012, 04:10:21 pm
Post by: slink on March 30, 2012, 04:13:05 pm
didn't work for me though, did I forget anything?How would we know the answer to that question? :D
Post by: shovelmonkey on March 30, 2012, 04:25:30 pm
Post by: slink on March 30, 2012, 05:14:59 pm
Jonesing for the update :)If you are on Windows, read up for the 34_07 DT information.
Post by: Simokon on March 30, 2012, 05:23:36 pm
Does it matter if I change that one or is there another version of DT somewhere I am not finding.
Post by: Malthore on March 30, 2012, 05:26:13 pm
Post by: slink on March 30, 2012, 05:34:29 pm
Post by: Aeon Blue on March 30, 2012, 05:42:43 pm
Garath, did you follow all 4 steps in Lockyy's instruction image? I ask because the first time I tried it, I missed step number 4. It's easy to miss all the way on the right side of the image.
Post by: Malthore on March 30, 2012, 06:04:31 pm
Post by: xordae on March 30, 2012, 06:05:23 pm
Post by: Lockyy on March 30, 2012, 06:21:34 pm
y'know, saying "go to this and this folder and copy the 34.06 file, paste it as a double then rename it as 34.07" would probably have been less work for you.
Personally I think visual instructions like that are better. Especially when some people might be a bit less proficient with this than others.
But whatever floats your boat.
Post by: khearn on March 30, 2012, 06:36:54 pm
FAKEEDIT: Whoops, I just realized that I had two DFs running, one 34.06 and one 34.07. I guess that confused DT. The error message could be clearer. Instead of "no such process" it should realize that there are two processes and do, um, something. My guess it that it checks for processes with the correct name and if it doesn't get exactly one, it gives that error message, assuming it got none. The simplest thing would be give an appropriate error if it sees more than one, but that means DT can't be used if you are running a fort and looking at legends at the same time in a different process. Ideally it would allow the user to choose which process to connect to. But that would be more work to implement.
So. Now I can connect to 34.07, but of course I don't have the correct offsets. Oh well, it's about time to head home. I can play on a Windows machine there, and I see the offsets are already available for Windows. Heck, by the time I get home, someone will probably post the linux offsets, too. :)
Post by: ZeeDubs on March 30, 2012, 08:08:45 pm
Post by: thistleknot on March 30, 2012, 08:13:39 pm
Holy Rusted Metal Batman
http://www.codecogs.com/code/statistics/distributions/continuous/logistic/index.php
http://www.codecogs.com/code/statistics/distributions/continuous/burr/index.php
Post by: Horizons on March 30, 2012, 08:24:03 pm
Edit: Alright; seems taking the Lazy Newb Pack's DFTherapist files won't make it work either. Still waiting on someone to clarify what is actually going on.
Another Edit: Managed to cobble something together; will not crash DF as far as I can see. Manages to see their happiness too, only issue is current job has a value of -1, if anyone wants to give it a look; here is the pastebin.
Code: [Select]
http://pastebin.com/UqrXd6mWOne More: Slink posted the correct offsets; this post is invalid.
Post by: shovelmonkey on March 30, 2012, 08:37:10 pm
Thank you to both Slink and Lockyy for the contributions, however currently I am seeing that my dwarves are at zero happiness and have no assigned jobs. Could someone please post a pastebin with the contents of the latest file; I see to be unable to get it working.
Pretty much the same problem here. Using DwarfEngineer's DT (from the op of this thread) my DF version number only goes through 34.02, using that file as the template it loads names but nothing else and crashes the game when I commit changes. Wish someone could just post a working file to use, would make it so much easier, unless that's some kind of breach of the rules here.
Post by: slink on March 30, 2012, 10:14:41 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Balin on March 30, 2012, 10:49:35 pm
http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_49_0/libs/math/doc/sf_and_dist/html/math_toolkit/dist/dist_ref/dists/weibull_dist.html
and for generating random numbers with required distributions
http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_49_0/doc/html/boost/random/weibull_distribution.html
Post by: diegokilla on March 30, 2012, 11:23:09 pm
I was about to have to call it quits on DF for the night :P
Post by: hello_asdf on March 30, 2012, 11:24:25 pm
Post by: Schaluck on March 31, 2012, 02:57:26 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Schaluck on March 31, 2012, 03:00:13 am
Post by: Slitherrr on March 31, 2012, 03:27:04 am
Post by: Ratherford on March 31, 2012, 05:54:34 am
The auto-updater doesn't seem to be pulling any of the layouts--I'm stuck at .02. Are the layouts the same for .03-.07, or alternatively, could someone throw up a zip somewhere?
see slink's latest post on this site. worked perfectly for me ;)
Post by: Slitherrr on March 31, 2012, 06:34:51 am
Post by: Raven on March 31, 2012, 06:49:21 am
it says "I don't know how to talk to this version of DF.
checksum:0x4f7592fe"
I tried creating an .ini copy of 34.05 (the last one I have) but it doesn't work either...
whut?
Post by: slink on March 31, 2012, 06:58:45 am
Post by: thistleknot on March 31, 2012, 07:58:52 am
top is mean, bottom is median
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I was afraid originally that it was going to give a flat distribution curve, but after a lot of thinking, I realized it wouldn't and then graphed it. It's also a perfect histogram. This is an example of agility. and I did abs(cell)-.5 to get the results, then flipped it. I'll have to figure the exact details out
Post by: Kon on March 31, 2012, 08:29:31 am
Post by: dreiche2 on March 31, 2012, 08:40:50 am
much thanks to Thuvian, we brainstormed a way to not have to use frequency distributions, now we can get exact % by taking (instance-mean)/range = a perfect of ~-50%/~+50%, which will also work for skewed distributions! the distribution is the exact distribution of the sample! no guessing with frequency distributions!
Sorry, that was a bit difficult to comprehend. Is "range" relative to the population or the absolute range of the aspects? What's "a perfect of ~-50%/~+50%" supposed to mean?
Post by: Raven on March 31, 2012, 08:55:38 am
Thanks, slink!
yeah thanks a lot :)
it seems that I tried to paste another code and the right one was the one in your post :)
I suggest placing that stuff in the open post until the next version
Post by: slink on March 31, 2012, 10:07:58 am
Post by: miauw62 on March 31, 2012, 10:53:56 am
(oh god, this is getting horribly repetive)
Anywayz, have a nice vacation (or whatever) dwarfengineer, and thanks slink so we can play df without bashing our heads against the walls.
Post by: i2amroy on March 31, 2012, 10:55:36 am
Post by: maseck on March 31, 2012, 11:13:50 am
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Post by: shovelmonkey on March 31, 2012, 11:29:25 am
Post by: Edv1819 on March 31, 2012, 11:31:35 am
Post by: Blaises on March 31, 2012, 12:18:40 pm
[info]
checksum=0x61b4fa72
version_name=v0.34.07
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x9653ee0
language_vector=0x09653ec8
creature_vector=0x09612b8c
dwarf_race_index=0x095fa500
squad_vector=0x9650a94
current_year=0x095f8000
Post by: thistleknot on March 31, 2012, 12:31:47 pm
much thanks to Thuvian, we brainstormed a way to not have to use frequency distributions, now we can get exact % by taking (instance-mean)/range = a perfect of ~-50%/~+50%, which will also work for skewed distributions! the distribution is the exact distribution of the sample! no guessing with frequency distributions!
Sorry, that was a bit difficult to comprehend. Is "range" relative to the population or the absolute range of the aspects? What's "a perfect of ~-50%/~+50%" supposed to mean?
It could go either way, I'm going to calculate it from the population (which I know some of you guys hate). For two reasons.
One is only traits are static
skills and attributes change, attributes are trained by skills, and vice versa, and player strategy can result in different ranges for different players.
This new approach should account for skew bias (without the need for fancy distribution frequencies which are not as accurate anyways).
And instead of ~-50%/~+50%, I'm gonna calculate a 0-50% and a 50-100%, 0 representing population minimum, and 50% representing median, and 100% representing population max.
Lastly,
Skills will now be based on a skill (non 0) median.
The same concept can be applied using averages. However, I feel median's are more appropriate for "skewed" data.
Perfect meant that if you added the - % to the + % (if they were absolute values), they would equal 100%. but... I decided that's not good, even though a max may be 53% above average, that 3% will bias that scale towards combining it with other attributes... So I scaled them down from median to max and median to min by dividing by median-instance by (median-min) and (max-median)
Update:
What I could do Dreiche2,
Is use the median from the wiki (or mean), and then take the min/max I have already for the various stat's (as taken from a sample of 3300 dwarves) and increase/decrease them by 10% for error, and that should be good. There you go, everyone's happy. Min's/max's/median's/mean's are all static. I would still let skills be determined dynamically, but attributes/traits could use a static/means setup. I would need to collect some data on traits though.
I was considering modifying the formula to say that anything between the median/mean was 50% but I'm not really all for that, but it would bridge the gap between median/mean.
Currently the min's max's I have are:
Code: [Select]
- + ++
Min's 146 198 444 695
Max's 1595 2108 2250 2537
Post by: hello_asdf on March 31, 2012, 04:17:57 pm
I think I found the layout for Linux. It's my first time finding the offsets for DF so let me know if it works or not:
[info]
checksum=0x61b4fa72
version_name=v0.34.07
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x9653ee0
language_vector=0x09653ec8
creature_vector=0x09612b8c
dwarf_race_index=0x095fa500
squad_vector=0x9650a94
current_year=0x095f8000
Thank you!
Post by: daftfad on March 31, 2012, 09:09:59 pm
I think I found the layout for Linux. It's my first time finding the offsets for DF so let me know if it works or not:
[info]
checksum=0x61b4fa72
version_name=v0.34.07
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x9653ee0
language_vector=0x09653ec8
creature_vector=0x09612b8c
dwarf_race_index=0x095fa500
squad_vector=0x9650a94
current_year=0x095f8000
Post by: Blaises on March 31, 2012, 10:24:15 pm
I am on 64-bit Arch Linux, so unless there's a difference in the version of the builds we're using I may have to do some extra digging to figure out why it can't connect.
Post by: daftfad on March 31, 2012, 10:57:25 pm
Hmm, are you playing DF in graphics mode or are you playing with the original ascii?
I am on 64-bit Arch Linux, so unless there's a difference in the version of the builds we're using I may have to do some extra digging to figure out why it can't connect.
Post by: cousac on April 01, 2012, 12:42:58 am
Post by: Intrinsic on April 01, 2012, 06:00:26 am
Not exactly hidden well? :D
Edit: I'll add that DT shows 125 people in my fort, in game 124. I'm guessing this guy up here ^ is one of those roaming vamps that pops in for a quick suck as i can't find him in my units list at all?
Edit 2: nm the guy is my mayor just with a different name. In game he's even showing up as "mayor vampire" and he's currently sucking one of my archer's dry.
Post by: Blaises on April 01, 2012, 07:42:48 am
You may wish to check and see if you added in the rest of the memory layout from the last version entirely.
Post by: starvingpoet on April 01, 2012, 08:48:52 am
Post by: Gurgle on April 01, 2012, 11:37:14 am
I used DT 0.7 (the March 15th version), and applied Slink's offsets.
Most things are OK, but not all.
DT reports all my dwarves having -1 agility, strength between 1 and 2, they all have the age of the world (even babies).
Digging deeper, the attributes all seem screwy: a dwarf in DF described as 'strong, great kinesthetic sense, iron weel, great feel for surrounding space and good feel for social relationships and poor focus' is described in DT as 'unquestionably weak, totally clumsy, basically unbreakable, indefatigable, possed of amazing recup powers, almost never sick'. Yes, I triple-checked it's the same dwarf. The traits are all ok and match what DF says.
All errors seem to be with data that DT0.7 shows but DT 0.6.12 does not show such as age and some attributes.
Additionally, Vampires are not highlighted correctly.
Tested with IronHand and Phoebus (although I wouldn't think this matters). Tested with both pre-0.7 worlds and newly created ones.
Any thoughts?
Post by: Gurgle on April 01, 2012, 12:35:49 pm
Setting
physical_attrs=0x03FC
works wonders on those physical attributes on my build. Anyone else have the same symptoms? Does this help on your setup?
I'm off to try the others and crunch some aspirin.
Post by: MonkeyHead on April 01, 2012, 12:51:48 pm
Post by: thistleknot on April 01, 2012, 02:13:03 pm
The solution for skill that I hope to code is to get an average or median of dwarf's excluding all 0 skilled dwarf's, this will give a proper % to dwarf's in relation to other dwarf's with skills. Rather than a dwarf with 1 exp in a skill suddenly getting a 50% rating.
Traits... I still need to collect data on, I don't know how the distributions of traits works yet (hmm, maybe I'll check the wiki).
UPDATE: Their r bins for traits!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
- 0 Physical 0 Mental + ++ %
<150= <200= <200= <450= <700= Below 0 %
150= 200= 200= 450= 700= 0.00%
600= 700= 800= 950= 1200= 16.67%
800= 900= 900= 1150= 1400= 33.33%
900= 1000= 1000= 1250= 1500= 50.00%
1000= 1100= 1100= 1350= 1600= 66.67%
1100= 1300= 1300= 1550= 1800= 83.33%
1500= 2000= 2000= 2250= 2500= 100.00%
>1500= >2000= >2000= >2250= >2500= Above 100%
Post by: Anathema on April 01, 2012, 05:47:13 pm
The license seems to allow me to do this, but let me know if any of you (i.e. those actually involved in developing this version of DT including its config .ini's) have any complaints.
Post by: thistleknot on April 01, 2012, 09:57:34 pm
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Post by: Rybec on April 01, 2012, 10:52:23 pm
Got lucky, the offsets from .06 seem to still work. Be warned, on my end (win x64, DT9), the physical attribute offset from DF.06 DOES work correctly, whereas the one posted by Gurgle causes me to have the problems he was describing. Maybe this will work for you, maybe not.
Everything seems fully functional so far, but I've only just embarked.
EDIT:Current Job fixed and confirmed working.
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum=0x4f7592fe
version_name=v0.34.07 (graphics)
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x0182f670
language_vector=0x00182f650
creature_vector=0x017eb758
dwarf_race_index=0x01617ebc
squad_vector=0x01829a58
current_year=0x0101e1f0
[offsets]
word_table=0x0000003c
string_buffer_offset=0x0000
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x001C
noun_plural=0x0038
adjective=0x0054
verb=0x008C
present_simple_verb=0x00A8
past_simple_verb=0x00C4
past_participle_verb=0x00E0
present_participle_verb=0x00FC
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x001C
last_name=0x0038
custom_profession=0x006C
profession=0x0088
race=0x008C
flags1=0x00E0
flags2=0x00E4
flags3=0x00e8
sex=0x00F8
mood=0x214
caste=0x00f8
id=0x00FC
recheck_equipment=0x01C0
birth_year=0x0240
current_job=0x0320
physical_attrs=0x3F8
turn_count=0x067c
states=0x06D0
souls=0x0778
likes=0x07B4
labors=0x07A0
squad_ref_id=0x08c0
happiness=0x0840
curse=0x5b8
[soul_details]
skills=0x0200
traits=0x0224
mental_attrs=0x0098
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x003C
members=0x0088
[position_offsets]
token=0x0000
flags=0x0020
general_name_singular=0x00E8
general_name_plural=0x0104
male_name_singular=0x0158
male_name_plural=0x0174
female_name_singluar=0x0120
female_name_plural=0x013C
custom_color_red=0x0382
custom_color_green=0x0380
[valid_flags_2]
size=0
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
8\name=a merchant escort
8\value=0x00000080
9\name="Dead, Jim."
9\value=0x00000002
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
[invalid_flags_3]
size=1
1\name=a ghost
1\value=0x00001000
Post by: kingubu on April 02, 2012, 06:58:54 am
I think I found the layout for Linux. It's my first time finding the offsets for DF so let me know if it works or not:
[info]
checksum=0x61b4fa72
version_name=v0.34.07
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x9653ee0
language_vector=0x09653ec8
creature_vector=0x09612b8c
dwarf_race_index=0x095fa500
squad_vector=0x9650a94
current_year=0x095f8000
Works like a charm, thanks!
Post by: splinterz on April 02, 2012, 07:04:41 am
for those who have been wondering where to look for updates/changes on the different branches you can either check the dwarf therapist clones (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/source/clones), or if you're specifically looking for my branch, i keep a running change log on the main page here. (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
thanks again to those finding and posting the offsets :D
Post by: Intrinsic on April 02, 2012, 10:44:35 am
Post by: vhappylurker on April 02, 2012, 11:37:26 am
I seriously cannot figure this out.
Never mind, I'm an idiot.
Post by: narhiril on April 02, 2012, 11:47:58 am
The offsets for your version are a bit iffy still, phys attributes not working for both those posted previously, and for some reason i'm getting merchants listed as being mine and i can change their jobs etc ;p equipment_recheck is another query as i've seen several different offsets for it.
[ETHIC:ENLIST_MERCHANTS:ACCEPTABLE]
Post by: Quietust on April 02, 2012, 11:52:02 am
Captain Mayday (the overseer of Nist Akath) certainly thought so.The offsets for your version are a bit iffy still, phys attributes not working for both those posted previously, and for some reason i'm getting merchants listed as being mine and i can change their jobs etc ;p equipment_recheck is another query as i've seen several different offsets for it.
[ETHIC:ENLIST_MERCHANTS:ACCEPTABLE]
Post by: Felgard on April 02, 2012, 12:00:30 pm
well lets forget that
anyways i was using the ini that rybec posted and noticed that assigning mining to the dorfs did nothing (all other jobs worked fine) and did a little experiment with the "recheck_equipment" line and changed the offset to "0x01D4" (same as .06) and now my dorfs finally realizes that they should get their equipment.
before they got the job assigned but did not pick up their equipment.
Post by: sekullbe on April 02, 2012, 12:26:18 pm
I think I found the layout for Linux. It's my first time finding the offsets for DF so let me know if it works or not:
I'm running 07 from the Linux Phoebus package on 64 bit Ubuntu 10.04. DT is installed from .deb.
I have only the .05 DT .ini, so I replaced the top of the file with these values. That loaded some info about the dwarves but not everything- looks like their jobs but not skills. (I didn't check this carefully though). I had the same problem on Windows, probably because I missed changes in .06. Slink's .07 file fixed it there. So I tried that here, with the Linux values as the first config stanzas. DT now fails to connect at all- says DF isn't running. I've probably missed something- should I force an update through .06 maybe to get the correct file? I haven't seen a full linux .07 ini here.
Post by: Gurgle on April 02, 2012, 12:46:10 pm
Thanks!
Updated v0.34.07_graphics.ini for Splinterz's branch v9.
Got lucky, the offsets from .06 seem to still work. Be warned, on my end (win x64, DT9), the physical attribute offset from DF.06 DOES work correctly, whereas the one posted by Gurgle causes me to have the problems he was describing. Maybe this will work for you, maybe not.
Everything seems fully functional so far, but I've only just embarked.
EDIT:Current Job fixed and confirmed working.
Post by: Intrinsic on April 02, 2012, 02:03:09 pm
I am using XP but that shouldn't matter at all as i rarely boot into win7 and never had any issue before.
Post by: LoSboccacc on April 02, 2012, 02:17:35 pm
Need the save?
Post by: vityav on April 02, 2012, 02:34:08 pm
I think I found the layout for Linux. It's my first time finding the offsets for DF so let me know if it works or not:Thanks! Adding these to DwarfEngineer's 36.06 offsets and my splinterz's 36.06 offsets seems to have it all back up and running for me.
For those looking for the entirety of a splinterz compatible linux ini, this should work (haven't had any curses to test yet, but works for physical and mental attributes):
Spoiler: Linux 36.07 splinterz compatible offsets (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kaos on April 02, 2012, 02:37:01 pm
They also show in DT when discovered and not cloaked.
Post by: asmodai on April 02, 2012, 05:43:05 pm
I can confirm the following at least:
Code: [Select]
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x001C
last_name=0x0038
custom_profession=0x006C
profession=0x0088
sex=0x00F8Can somebody explain to me why the last_name works even though the memory scan's read of std::string of address+offset for last name gives me nothing?
Also, it seems as if sex is a short and not an int, is that right?
Post by: vityav on April 02, 2012, 06:32:03 pm
Can somebody explain to me why the last_name works even though the memory scan's read of std::string of address+offset for last name gives me nothing?
Also, it seems as if sex is a short and not an int, is that right?
If you look through the src/dwarf.cpp file, it has pretty straightforward functions for reading everything to give you a clue as to what's happening. Best I can tell though, a dwarf can have many names (think legendary dwarves), so the last name may be in a word_chunk anywhere from the start of the last name offset to 0x18 past it (read_last_name() to read_chunked_name() ).
Sex seems to just be a boolean byte (read_sex() ).
Post by: zach123b on April 02, 2012, 08:01:09 pm
i copied the stuff from an earlier post
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
has anyone gotten stats/physical attributes to be shown properly? i use to be able to see physical attributes in the combat tab but now i don't see them, never checked the show details page
i tried finding it on the wiki for this but i gave up after trying the scan memory stuff which i only got 3 vectors and i tried searching this topic but got lost and confused ending with frustration :s
edit: forgot to say i'm running windows 7, if it matters
Post by: Darthlawsuit on April 02, 2012, 09:33:49 pm
Keep getting that
Post by: kingubu on April 02, 2012, 10:47:54 pm
Goes in /usr/share/dwarftherapist/etc/memory_layouts/linux/, at least on Ubuntu 11.10
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on April 03, 2012, 12:41:25 am
I do bundle your version in my mod, since it shows castes as well. This feature is very dear to my users, so I wanted to ask if an updated version for 34.07 with a caste tab does exist. I found a 34.06 version by you, DF Therapist 9, and will try this out for now. :)
Post by: asmodai on April 03, 2012, 01:02:08 am
If you look through the src/dwarf.cpp file, it has pretty straightforward functions for reading everything to give you a clue as to what's happening. Best I can tell though, a dwarf can have many names (think legendary dwarves), so the last name may be in a word_chunk anywhere from the start of the last name offset to 0x18 past it (read_last_name() to read_chunked_name() ).Silly me, totally did no think of using the DT source as inspiration for an idea about the memory model. Thanks for reminding me.
Post by: splinterz on April 03, 2012, 06:01:41 am
below is the raw text if you're comfortable updating manually.
Spoiler: 34.07 role/attributes version layout (click to show/hide)
as always if you find any issues let me know and i'll update it asap.
Post by: Intrinsic on April 03, 2012, 07:56:00 am
i've added the 34.07 layout to my branched build. download the packaged version here. (http://www.mediafire.com/?fkhbjvkigo4kew8)
below is the raw text if you're comfortable updating manually.Spoiler: 34.07 role/attributes version layout (click to show/hide)
as always if you find any issues let me know and i'll update it asap.
Still no phys here :/ shows agil as -1 and str as 1 on every dwarf.
Post by: splinterz on April 03, 2012, 08:33:28 am
i've added the 34.07 layout to my branched build. download the packaged version here. (http://www.mediafire.com/?fkhbjvkigo4kew8)
below is the raw text if you're comfortable updating manually.Spoiler: 34.07 role/attributes version layout (click to show/hide)
as always if you find any issues let me know and i'll update it asap.
Still no phys here :/ shows agil as -1 and str as 1 on every dwarf.
just tested again with .06 and .07 and all is fine. you must have a version/layout mixup
Post by: Skasi on April 03, 2012, 09:30:47 am
Post by: Weazal on April 03, 2012, 09:58:37 am
Also, I'm curious as to whether we'll be able to set up viewing whether a dwarf is,
A.) a good fit for the role looking at every dwarf in your fortress currently? and
B.) is this dwarf a good fit for a role, universally? (A mediocre soldier may still be the best choice out of many other terrible soldiers. I want to know if they're good for the role altogether)
If I really need the job filled, the best dwarf in the fort is good to know.
but if it's something I can wait on, I'd like to be checking if they're a good match for the job besides being the best choice amongst my horde.
Hope that makes sense.
Post by: Intrinsic on April 03, 2012, 12:00:04 pm
i've added the 34.07 layout to my branched build. download the packaged version here. (http://www.mediafire.com/?fkhbjvkigo4kew8)
below is the raw text if you're comfortable updating manually.Spoiler: 34.07 role/attributes version layout (click to show/hide)
as always if you find any issues let me know and i'll update it asap.
Still no phys here :/ shows agil as -1 and str as 1 on every dwarf.
just tested again with .06 and .07 and all is fine. you must have a version/layout mixup
Yeah it must be something odd going on. It's defo your v9 version but the one thing different is i'm trying Ironhand's tileset pre-packaged distribution. But i've tried a fresh install of that and DT(even wiping out the ini in DnS') I'll have to grab your 9.1 and see how it goes. Maybe i'll just grab the LNP and see how that goes.
Post by: Rybec on April 03, 2012, 12:15:32 pm
Also, I'm curious as to whether we'll be able to set up viewing whether a dwarf is,
A.) a good fit for the role looking at every dwarf in your fortress currently? and
B.) is this dwarf a good fit for a role, universally? (A mediocre soldier may still be the best choice out of many other terrible soldiers. I want to know if they're good for the role altogether)
Calculation accuracy aside, this is already fairly easy to do if you set your grid display to be numbers. If you click on a role name, it'll re-order your dorfs to put either the best, or on a second click, worst dwarves at the top. You can immediately and clearly find who is the best suited out of everyone in the fort.
I've also cobbled together a gridview that puts the roles next to their labors for ease of assingment. May as well throw it up in case anyone wants it.
It's based off a reordered labor list that is also included. I made a reordered view to make common tasks easier on my laptop, which is limited to 1024x768 and therefore doesn't fit all the labors at once even if I shrink the grid size. I removed labors from the combination view that don't have an associated role yet (e.g. hauling, cleaning, bowyer)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9066646/laborrolesReordered.dtg
Post by: Maklak on April 03, 2012, 01:57:22 pm
$ sudo apt-get install mercurial
$ hg clone https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/ (wait for a bit, it displays blinking cursor)
$ cd dwarftherapist/
$ qmake
$ make (this takes a while)
$ sudo make install
I then added ini for 34.07 in /usr/share/dwarftherapist/etc/memory_layouts/linux/ (I took the contents from this thread. To add the file I used (because without sudo access is denied on saving file)
$ sudo gedit
Specs: Linux Mint 9, 32 bit, Pentium 4, 1 GB RAM, Radeon 9700 Pro with 128 MB RAM.
It runs and changes jobs in 0.34.07
Post by: Intrinsic on April 03, 2012, 02:39:26 pm
i've added the 34.07 layout to my branched build. download the packaged version here. (http://www.mediafire.com/?fkhbjvkigo4kew8)
below is the raw text if you're comfortable updating manually.Spoiler: 34.07 role/attributes version layout (click to show/hide)
as always if you find any issues let me know and i'll update it asap.
Still no phys here :/ shows agil as -1 and str as 1 on every dwarf.
just tested again with .06 and .07 and all is fine. you must have a version/layout mixup
Found the problem...i had copies of the 34.07 ini's which i was testing out various offsets with, and DT was reading everything in that directory, and obviously came across the older versions first/last and used those in preference to the file just named v0.34.07_graphics.ini, ie it was using "Copy of v0.34.07_graphics.ini" instead of the main file ;p so a tiny lil bug there.
Post by: LoSboccacc on April 03, 2012, 03:03:47 pm
Post by: asmodai on April 03, 2012, 03:23:52 pm
i've added the 34.07 layout to my branched build.
Works for me man. Thanks.
Post by: Werra on April 03, 2012, 06:27:28 pm
Found the problem...i had copies of the 34.07 ini's which i was testing out various offsets with, and DT was reading everything in that directory, and obviously came across the older versions first/last and used those in preference to the file just named v0.34.07_graphics.ini, ie it was using "Copy of v0.34.07_graphics.ini" instead of the main file ;p so a tiny lil bug there.
Aaaagh. I couldn't work out what was wrong with mine, and was just suffering in silence until someone smarter came up with a new clean release... I always make copies before changing anything, and couldn;t work out what I had done wrong :'(
Thanks Intrinsic
Post by: hello_asdf on April 03, 2012, 07:21:28 pm
Hey, would you mind uploading the source code for your branch to github or something?
Post by: vityav on April 03, 2012, 09:21:44 pm
@splinterzHe has been here:
Hey, would you mind uploading the source code for your branch to github or something?
http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/checkout
Post by: Alkhemia on April 03, 2012, 10:47:45 pm
Edit: Derp I downloaded a new version after I went to bed I was playing 34.06, ha-ha my bad ignore me and my stupidity.
Post by: Intrinsic on April 04, 2012, 02:43:54 am
Found the problem...i had copies of the 34.07 ini's which i was testing out various offsets with, and DT was reading everything in that directory, and obviously came across the older versions first/last and used those in preference to the file just named v0.34.07_graphics.ini, ie it was using "Copy of v0.34.07_graphics.ini" instead of the main file ;p so a tiny lil bug there.
Aaaagh. I couldn't work out what was wrong with mine, and was just suffering in silence until someone smarter came up with a new clean release... I always make copies before changing anything, and couldn;t work out what I had done wrong :'(
Thanks Intrinsic
Yep same here, I always back something up i'm fiddling with incase i break it :D
Post by: Mr.Elendig on April 04, 2012, 07:56:35 am
As a layout user I've a new smallish pet peeve: please try to state the os your layout targets, it's getting very hard to find the right one using the search function.+1
It is so hard to find a working layout for gnu/linux now because no one says what os their layout is for. Having to compare the hash as search is troublesome.
Post by: Kaos on April 04, 2012, 07:56:58 am
Also allowing to move dwarves from one squad to the other and an indication of which one is the captain of the squad.
Post by: Daenyth on April 04, 2012, 08:52:34 am
Post by: Nix725 on April 04, 2012, 11:51:50 am
Thank you!
Post by: i2amroy on April 04, 2012, 01:20:58 pm
1) Download latest version of DT.
2)Ctrl+click on DT and choose "Show package contents"
3)Go to Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
4)Open up text edit
5)Paste this into a new text document
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum=0x20d42b0f
version_name=v0.34.07
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x015bf940
language_vector=0x015bf928
creature_vector=0x0157e5ec
dwarf_race_index=0x01565f60
squad_vector=0x015bc4f4
current_year=0x01563a20
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0158
current_job=0x0284
turn_count=0x052b
states=0x0
souls=0x05f8
labors=0x0614
happiness=0x06a4
squad_ref_id=0x0708
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x000400006)Save the file and ctrl+click on it and choose "Get info"7)Change the "Name & Extension" field to "v0.34.07.ini". It might ask you to confirm, choose yes if it does.
8)Move the file into Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
9)Close the window and open up DT.
On a questioning side, does the vanilla DT show vampires? I've been having some dwarves show up recently that don't appear in DT, but they still get hungry so I'm not sure if it's just DT glitching out or not. They also all seem to show up with mostly yellow body parts and at least one body part missing, be it an ear or a tooth.
Post by: Kogut on April 04, 2012, 01:56:37 pm
Feature request: Can we get the ability to add dwarves to existing burrows?A great idea!
I'd really like that for vampire controlRather poor idea, vampire will ignore burrows on feeding.
Post by: vityav on April 04, 2012, 03:34:55 pm
Rather poor idea, vampire will ignore burrows on feeding.They'll comply for long enough to lock them in, raise the only accessible bridge, or violently murder them, though.
Post by: khearn on April 04, 2012, 03:37:03 pm
Just create a new military squad and assign the vampire(s) to it. Then station the squad wherever you like.Rather poor idea, vampire will ignore burrows on feeding.They'll comply for long enough to lock them in, raise the only accessible bridge, or violently murder them, though.
Post by: Maklak on April 04, 2012, 06:37:57 pm
Post by: Daenyth on April 04, 2012, 06:56:25 pm
Feature request: Can we get the ability to add dwarves to existing burrows?A great idea!I'd really like that for vampire controlRather poor idea, vampire will ignore burrows on feeding.
I'm aware of that, but as soon as migrants come, I assign the whole wave to a room that I can lock. The vampires aren't hungry when they enter the map, and mortal dwarves show "Thirsty" before the vampires strike.
Regardless, the burrow interface is a giant clusterfuck, so having DT manage it would be better anyway.
Next feature request: Have a "group by" dropdown menu entry for "Highest moodable skill". Would be useful when trying to make sure my peasants end up mooding candy cane sticks rather than another ☼Lignite Left Sock☼
Post by: wzam on April 04, 2012, 08:20:41 pm
Steps for OSX
1) Download latest version of DT.
2)Ctrl+click on DT and choose "Show package contents"
3)Go to Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
4)Open up text edit
5)Paste this into a new text documentCode: [Select][info]6)Save the file and ctrl+click on it and choose "Get info"
checksum=0x20d42b0f
version_name=v0.34.07
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x015bf940
language_vector=0x015bf928
creature_vector=0x0157e5ec
dwarf_race_index=0x01565f60
squad_vector=0x015bc4f4
current_year=0x01563a20
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0158
current_job=0x0284
turn_count=0x052b
states=0x0
souls=0x05f8
labors=0x0614
happiness=0x06a4
squad_ref_id=0x0708
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
7)Change the "Name & Extension" field to "v0.34.07.ini". It might ask you to confirm, choose yes if it does.
8)Move the file into Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
9)Close the window and open up DT.
Oh my god, thank you!
Post by: rethnor on April 05, 2012, 12:38:57 am
Has any one ran into this issue before?I gave a quick search through the bug tracker but couldn't quite find the same issue.
Post by: Intrinsic on April 05, 2012, 12:55:31 am
Feature request: Dump a png file with whatever is currently displayed in the current Grid Layout. We can make nice pictures for Let's plays, but it takes some editing with a graphic program. This feature would make that instantaneous.
Should be easy as pie:
With DT active press ALT+Print screen
Switch to your program of choice(use IrfanView, as it's the best! ;p ) press CTRL+V
Press CTRL+S and give it a name and where you want to save it, choosing PNG as the filetype.
Profit!
Post by: Maklak on April 05, 2012, 04:50:34 am
Next feature request: Have a "group by" dropdown menu entry for "Highest moodable skill". Would be useful when trying to make sure my peasants end up mooding candy cane sticks rather than another ☼Lignite Left Sock☼
How about making a custom grid layout with "moodable skills", then sorting it by "sum of skills", would this work?
Feature request: Dump a png file with whatever is currently displayed in the current Grid Layout. We can make nice pictures for Let's plays, but it takes some editing with a graphic program. This feature would make that instantaneous.
Should be easy as pie:
With DT active press ALT+Print screen
Switch to your program of choice(use IrfanView, as it's the best! ;p ) press CTRL+V
Press CTRL+S and give it a name and where you want to save it, choosing PNG as the filetype.
Profit!
Your method doesn't work, and you offend me by suggesting I didn't know about making several print screens and glueing them together in a graphics program. About the only difference <ALT+Print screen> makes, is that under Gnome I get a dump of current program window, and under Windows XP the whole screen (which is the same as using print screen). My feature request was about not needing to edit several print screens to get a nice dump like this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: splinterz on April 05, 2012, 05:44:47 am
Post by: Intrinsic on April 05, 2012, 06:12:52 am
Next feature request: Have a "group by" dropdown menu entry for "Highest moodable skill". Would be useful when trying to make sure my peasants end up mooding candy cane sticks rather than another ☼Lignite Left Sock☼
How about making a custom grid layout with "moodable skills", then sorting it by "sum of skills", would this work?Feature request: Dump a png file with whatever is currently displayed in the current Grid Layout. We can make nice pictures for Let's plays, but it takes some editing with a graphic program. This feature would make that instantaneous.
Should be easy as pie:
With DT active press ALT+Print screen
Switch to your program of choice(use IrfanView, as it's the best! ;p ) press CTRL+V
Press CTRL+S and give it a name and where you want to save it, choosing PNG as the filetype.
Profit!
Your method doesn't work, and you offend me by suggesting I didn't know about making several print screens and glueing them together in a graphics program. About the only difference <ALT+Print screen> makes, is that under Gnome I get a dump of current program window, and under Windows XP the whole screen (which is the same as using print screen). My feature request was about not needing to edit several print screens to get a nice dump like this:
Yes you'll still need to stick them together, but alt+print screen certainly does only capture the currently active window but yes only under windows and not Linux.
Post by: Maklak on April 05, 2012, 06:40:20 am
@Maklak - with gnome i think you can do things similar to vista's snipping tool via gnome-screenshot --interactive, otherwise perhaps try shutter?
I don't care about snipping tool, or better ways to capture screen. It is just as easy to
1) <(Alt +) Print Screen> (which works under Gnome, but works as normal Print Screen under Windows),
2) run GIMP,
3) new image (name: Screens),
4) paste,
5) new layer from paste,
6) resize image to layers,
7) rectangular select whatever I need,
8) new image (name: DT_dump)
9) paste
a) new layer from paste
After that I move what is seen in DT, take another screenshot, and paste is as a new layer on top of 'Screens', cut what I need, and paste it to DT_dump, while resizing DT_dump image to fit layers, and zooming 8 times to align pixels prefectly. I repeat this several times, as necessary, but it is tedious, even when I have access to 1920x1200 screen.
So no, to do this faster I don't need a better Print Screen, or better cut tool. What I need is either Dwaft Therapist feature for dumping image from current grid layout, or a desktop with resolution approaching 2500 x 3000 pixels, where I could maximize DT and see everything at once.
Post by: Daenyth on April 05, 2012, 10:32:06 am
Next feature request: Have a "group by" dropdown menu entry for "Highest moodable skill". Would be useful when trying to make sure my peasants end up mooding candy cane sticks rather than another ☼Lignite Left Sock☼
How about making a custom grid layout with "moodable skills", then sorting it by "sum of skills", would this work?
How would I go about doing that? I haven't used the custom grids ever. Is there any doc/howto on using them?
Post by: Tres on April 05, 2012, 11:51:33 am
seems I have a problem with DT, I'm using 34.07 DF version, I did update the .ini file etc. according to instructions written earlier, though somethings wrong: I can't see my dwarves' skills. All of my guys have zero experience in everything according to the grid. Seems that DT fails to read skill attributes.
Any idea how to fix this?
Update 1:
Oh, and it seems that moods aren't right either.
Post by: drh on April 05, 2012, 11:54:09 am
Quote
As a layout user I've a new smallish pet peeve: please try to state the os your layout targets, it's getting very hard to find the right one using the search function.
This. Sadly it seems splinterz doesn't include Linux layouts in recent versions of the git tree. But I'm a diehard for this fork of DT. This alone is what's keeping me in 34.06.
Post by: splinterz on April 05, 2012, 12:01:45 pm
Anyone have 34.07 Linux memory layouts for the splinterz build?QuoteAs a layout user I've a new smallish pet peeve: please try to state the os your layout targets, it's getting very hard to find the right one using the search function.
This. Sadly it seems splinterz doesn't include Linux layouts in recent versions of the git tree. But I'm a diehard for this fork of DT. This alone is what's keeping me in 34.06.
sorry about that. i just don't feel i should be including linux/osx layouts if i can't test them. :-\ if anyone wants to pm me layouts they know work i have no qualms bundling them in!
Post by: 0x517A5D on April 05, 2012, 12:22:20 pm
What I need is [...] a desktop with resolution approaching 2500 x 3000 pixels, where I could maximize DT and see everything at once.
In Gnome, which uses X Windowing System, you should be able to create a virtual desktop of that size which your physical screen pans around via moving the mouse "off the screen".
You might be able to do it from this control panel:
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/look-resolution.html.en (http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/look-resolution.html.en)
You might be able to mess around with xrandr:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 (http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2)
Or you might have to manually use the --fb and --panning command-line options when X Windows starts.
As for this:
<(Alt +) Print Screen> (which works under Gnome, but works as normal Print Screen under Windows),
Alt-PrintScreen certainly does capture a single window under MS Windows. It is definitely different than PrintScreen with no modifier key.
Post by: khearn on April 05, 2012, 12:45:36 pm
On the other hand, I don't think it's a very high priority compared to other features. It's not just tweaking existing functionality, it's adding something completely new. And it's not something the majority of the users will use. So Maklak, how are your coding skills? I'm sure if you submitted a patch to DwarfEngineer or splinters, they'd be happy to add it in.
Post by: vityav on April 05, 2012, 12:49:40 pm
Anyone have 34.07 Linux memory layouts for the splinterz build?
I posted my layouts that work with the splinterz release here:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3153962#msg3153962
Like I said though, haven't tested curses in .07, but everything else I know works.
sorry about that. i just don't feel i should be including linux/osx layouts if i can't test them. :-\ if anyone wants to pm me layouts they know work i have no qualms bundling them in!
I can send you mine for at least .05 to .07 if it helps. I've been using them in a local clone of your code, but could also make a github branch of it (if anybody wants a DT plugin for instantly invulnerable dwarves :P )
Post by: i2amroy on April 05, 2012, 12:58:44 pm
Hi,What OS are you running? If you are on mac then there is a bug where DT will sometimes not read new immigrant skill levels correctly. Just restart DT and it will fix that. If you aren't then I don't know what the problem is.
seems I have a problem with DT, I'm using 34.07 DF version, I did update the .ini file etc. according to instructions written earlier, though somethings wrong: I can't see my dwarves' skills. All of my guys have zero experience in everything according to the grid. Seems that DT fails to read skill attributes.
Any idea how to fix this?
Update 1:
Oh, and it seems that moods aren't right either.
Post by: Tres on April 05, 2012, 01:16:21 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 05, 2012, 01:33:05 pm
You can find the values here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3146407#msg3146407) with pictures on how to do it here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.1680).
Post by: Tres on April 05, 2012, 01:38:19 pm
In fact I did, but I guess the values I input were for 34.06.
Thanks!
Post by: LoSboccacc on April 05, 2012, 01:57:57 pm
Have you updated your checksums? I'm not sure if the latest download has the right ones or not.
You can find the values here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3146407#msg3146407) with pictures on how to do it here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.1680).
Still no migration wave :(
Post by: Anrock on April 05, 2012, 04:19:27 pm
i.e. migration wave of 10 arrives, in DT as one wave of 10 dwarfs, save-quit-load game, reread dwarfs in DT and that very wave of 10 appears as 4 separate waves of 3, 3, 3 and 1 dwarfs. Is that really a bug or i don't know something? OS is Gentoo linux x64, DT build from sources.
Post by: asmodai on April 05, 2012, 06:04:39 pm
Post by: kingubu on April 06, 2012, 01:27:01 am
I think i found a bug in DT regarding migration wave sorting.
i.e. migration wave of 10 arrives, in DT as one wave of 10 dwarfs, save-quit-load game, reread dwarfs in DT and that very wave of 10 appears as 4 separate waves of 3, 3, 3 and 1 dwarfs. Is that really a bug or i don't know something? OS is Gentoo linux x64, DT build from sources.
I'm getting the same effect Ubuntu 11.10 .deb x32. Waves are splitting for some reason.
Post by: notfood on April 06, 2012, 04:11:24 am
Post by: walberg on April 06, 2012, 08:30:18 am
I think i found a bug in DT regarding migration wave sorting.
i.e. migration wave of 10 arrives, in DT as one wave of 10 dwarfs, save-quit-load game, reread dwarfs in DT and that very wave of 10 appears as 4 separate waves of 3, 3, 3 and 1 dwarfs. Is that really a bug or i don't know something? OS is Gentoo linux x64, DT build from sources.
For what it's worth, that seems to happen in the "official" release, as well, so it's probably not something that splinterz did...
Post by: Anrock on April 06, 2012, 10:57:30 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on April 07, 2012, 01:10:29 am
I think it would be fairly easy to not display them, there is no Dorf who can be alive with all stats at -1 I believe (or perhaps one chance in 100 millions!), so if you see such creature, don't display it.
Post by: splinterz on April 07, 2012, 04:48:16 am
I have a bug to report. Some entities show in DF as pseudo-dwarves but are not. They almost never have names but sometime can, and all their stats are at -1 (or 0, anyway they show as red diamonds). I play in an evil biome, so this can be either ghosts or zombies.
I think it would be fairly easy to not display them, there is no Dorf who can be alive with all stats at -1 I believe (or perhaps one chance in 100 millions!), so if you see such creature, don't display it.
if this is occurring in my branch i'd appreciate the save to take a more detailed look.
Post by: iXen on April 07, 2012, 09:42:10 am
Steps for OSX
1) Download latest version of DT.
2)Ctrl+click on DT and choose "Show package contents"
3)Go to Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
4)Open up text edit
5)Paste this into a new text documentCode: [Select][info]6)Save the file and ctrl+click on it and choose "Get info"
checksum=0x20d42b0f
version_name=v0.34.07
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x015bf940
language_vector=0x015bf928
creature_vector=0x0157e5ec
dwarf_race_index=0x01565f60
squad_vector=0x015bc4f4
current_year=0x01563a20
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0158
current_job=0x0284
turn_count=0x052b
states=0x0
souls=0x05f8
labors=0x0614
happiness=0x06a4
squad_ref_id=0x0708
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
7)Change the "Name & Extension" field to "v0.34.07.ini". It might ask you to confirm, choose yes if it does.
8)Move the file into Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
9)Close the window and open up DT.
On a questioning side, does the vanilla DT show vampires? I've been having some dwarves show up recently that don't appear in DT, but they still get hungry so I'm not sure if it's just DT glitching out or not. They also all seem to show up with mostly yellow body parts and at least one body part missing, be it an ear or a tooth.
Thank you very much!
Post by: Wonderboygod on April 07, 2012, 12:22:51 pm
Post by: BinaryBeast1010011010 on April 07, 2012, 01:48:20 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 07, 2012, 02:45:37 pm
Post by: boathouse2112 on April 07, 2012, 03:51:38 pm
I know the LOFR creator said it was compatible so i'm wondering if its ironhand's doing
Post by: BinaryBeast1010011010 on April 07, 2012, 04:07:04 pm
Post by: GavJ on April 07, 2012, 07:48:13 pm
The "auto-update on startup" is checked in options.
OS is Windows 7.
Post by: Weaselcake on April 07, 2012, 08:01:05 pm
Post by: WaffleEggnog on April 07, 2012, 08:11:26 pm
Again, im sorry if i seem like a total idiot, but i really am unable to play DF without it. Thanks, and please dont eat me.
Post by: ShinWalks on April 07, 2012, 08:20:44 pm
Excuse me, sorry to be a complete idiot, but how do i manualy update the 34.06 version to work with 34.07, or atleast were i can find instructions on how to? Iv heard people talking about it, but im an idiot.
Again, im sorry if i seem like a total idiot, but i really am unable to play DF without it. Thanks, and please dont eat me.
Earlier in this thread...
Follow the four steps in the image belowSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Darthlawsuit on April 07, 2012, 08:30:35 pm
I'm using the newest DF and newest DT with the LOFR IRONHAND versionI dunno what LOFR is but I am running DF with the lazy noob pack and using ironhand's interface. Dwarf therapist will not work.
I know the LOFR creator said it was compatible so i'm wondering if its ironhand's doing
Post by: i2amroy on April 07, 2012, 08:52:36 pm
Excuse me, sorry to be a complete idiot, but how do i manualy update the 34.06 version to work with 34.07, or atleast were i can find instructions on how to? Iv heard people talking about it, but im an idiot.
Again, im sorry if i seem like a total idiot, but i really am unable to play DF without it. Thanks, and please dont eat me.
Or if you are on OSX
Steps for OSXOn a questioning side, does the vanilla DT show vampires? I've been having some dwarves show up recently that don't appear in DT, but they still get hungry so I'm not sure if it's just DT glitching out or not. They also all seem to show up with mostly yellow body parts and at least one body part missing, be it an ear or a tooth.
1) Download latest version of DT.
2)Ctrl+click on DT and choose "Show package contents"
3)Go to Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
4)Open up text edit
5)Paste this into a new text documentCode: [Select][info]6)Save the file and ctrl+click on it and choose "Get info"
checksum=0x20d42b0f
version_name=v0.34.07
complete=true
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x015bf940
language_vector=0x015bf928
creature_vector=0x0157e5ec
dwarf_race_index=0x01565f60
squad_vector=0x015bc4f4
current_year=0x01563a20
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0158
current_job=0x0284
turn_count=0x052b
states=0x0
souls=0x05f8
labors=0x0614
happiness=0x06a4
squad_ref_id=0x0708
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x000C
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
7)Change the "Name & Extension" field to "v0.34.07.ini". It might ask you to confirm, choose yes if it does.
8)Move the file into Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
9)Close the window and open up DT.
Post by: BinaryBeast1010011010 on April 08, 2012, 04:20:57 am
edit, I see why : I do not have 34.06, it stop at 34.02, where can I find the 34.06 file?
Post by: BinaryBeast1010011010 on April 08, 2012, 04:43:29 am
Post by: BinaryBeast1010011010 on April 08, 2012, 05:46:12 am
Post by: uggi on April 08, 2012, 08:04:24 am
No one can help me it seems.
Instructions for Windows:
Option 1:
Download Dwarf Therapist from the first post of this thread.
Then update it for 0.34.07 by following slink's instructions in page 114 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3146407#msg3146407).
Option 2:
Download splinterz's build of DT (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3156344#msg3156344), it has 0.34.07 support out of the box.
Post by: BinaryBeast1010011010 on April 08, 2012, 09:28:44 am
Post by: revenant on April 09, 2012, 12:22:51 am
Post by: revenant on April 09, 2012, 04:43:31 am
Or if you are on OSXSteps for OSX
Thank You!
Post by: vorpal+5 on April 09, 2012, 08:20:21 am
I have a bug to report. Some entities show in DF as pseudo-dwarves but are not. They almost never have names but sometime can, and all their stats are at -1 (or 0, anyway they show as red diamonds). I play in an evil biome, so this can be either ghosts or zombies.
I think it would be fairly easy to not display them, there is no Dorf who can be alive with all stats at -1 I believe (or perhaps one chance in 100 millions!), so if you see such creature, don't display it.
if this is occurring in my branch i'd appreciate the save to take a more detailed look.
I'm using DF for 34.07 taken from archive named dfhack-0.34.05-r1-Windows.zip, is it your branch?
I'm also playing with LFR mod. Do you want the save?
Post by: splinterz on April 09, 2012, 09:00:49 am
I have a bug to report. Some entities show in DF as pseudo-dwarves but are not. They almost never have names but sometime can, and all their stats are at -1 (or 0, anyway they show as red diamonds). I play in an evil biome, so this can be either ghosts or zombies.
I think it would be fairly easy to not display them, there is no Dorf who can be alive with all stats at -1 I believe (or perhaps one chance in 100 millions!), so if you see such creature, don't display it.
if this is occurring in my branch i'd appreciate the save to take a more detailed look.
I'm using DF for 34.07 taken from archive named dfhack-0.34.05-r1-Windows.zip, is it your branch?
I'm also playing with LFR mod. Do you want the save?
i meant which version of dwarf therapist you're using. if you have roles and attributes (my branch) and it's showing dwarves with -1 stats, then yes, i'd appreciate the save. if it's the 'official' main branch build, then this issue should be resolved when we finally get around to merging the branches.
Post by: Captainguy on April 09, 2012, 07:08:53 pm
Post by: Captainguy on April 09, 2012, 07:11:05 pm
There's my Dwarf Therapist screen at this time. Neither the names nor the dwarfs or labors they have activated are showing. I've tried re-installing it multiple times and with multiple versions of DF and DT and this keeps happening. It didn't always do this when I first installed DT it was working perfectly, but when I turned it on later it wasn't working properly. If anyone has a clue as to what else I should try I'd appreciate it.
DF Version: 0.34.06 DT Version: 0.6.12b04 Mac Version: 10.7.2
Edit: Actually the DF version is 0.34.05 as Kingubu pointed out.
Post by: kingubu on April 09, 2012, 07:50:08 pm
Post by: Captainguy on April 09, 2012, 08:07:25 pm
Post by: zwei on April 10, 2012, 08:03:29 am
What is relationship with "dwarf couselor" fork (and possibly other enhancement) and official releases? Will it eventually be merged to "The" Therapist?
Post by: vorpal+5 on April 10, 2012, 11:30:04 am
This is with LFR mod, current version.
http://www.mediafire.com/?e763g9sm9kcxe60
Post by: splinterz on April 10, 2012, 03:51:48 pm
I downloaded from your branch and there is the bug, now 33 pseudo dwarves show.
This is with LFR mod, current version.
http://www.mediafire.com/?e763g9sm9kcxe60
yeah i see the problem. i'm not sure if it's the mod or the game but a lot of those undead corpses aren't marked as zombies/skeletons/dead/killed/etc. so they're not caught by the flag checks. however, as you noted they don't have any attributes and can be filtered based on that. the only other strangeness i'm noticing in the save is that there's one baby that's being picked up by dt that i can't find in the game. his name is Ordir Sterusonul (accents on the o's), and if you can find him let me know so i can see if i can figure out why he's showing up.
Post by: AriRashkae on April 10, 2012, 04:08:22 pm
http://i.imgur.com/3LdpU.png
There's my Dwarf Therapist screen at this time. Neither the names nor the dwarfs or labors they have activated are showing. I've tried re-installing it multiple times and with multiple versions of DF and DT and this keeps happening. It didn't always do this when I first installed DT it was working perfectly, but when I turned it on later it wasn't working properly. If anyone has a clue as to what else I should try I'd appreciate it.
DF Version: 0.34.06 DT Version: 0.6.12b04 Mac Version: 10.7.2
Edit: Actually the DF version is 0.34.05 as Kingubu pointed out.
Click "Options" (the color wheel)
Click "Restore Defaults"
Re-toggle any check boxes you prefer
Click "OK"
I'm a Mac user, and it does it to me, too, every so often. A petty annoyance, all things considered. ;D
Post by: Thuvian on April 10, 2012, 06:24:06 pm
Adventure Trait is glitched. For the raw skill value, some dwarves have negative numbers. Others have normal in range numbers. Incorrect memory offset?
Vampire Names are mismatched. The dwarf alias that the vampire is using doesn't show up in DT. I think DT is using his real name?
Failure to pick up tools. This was reported earlier by someone else. In the early days of my fort I assigned miners, but had no pickaxes. Later on I made pickaxes, but the dwarves assigned to the mining task (via DT) didn't go and pick them up. Unassigning them in DF and reassigning them in DF made them go get pickaxes. Unassigning them in DT and reassigning them in DT did not. Although I didn't check what would happen if I waited a while before reassignment.
Nonexisting dwarves: DT reports more dwarves than I have. Possibly due to kidnapping?
Migrant wave ordering: My dwarves no longer show up in the correct Migrant waves. Possibly because some are historical figures? I don't know.
Feature Requests
With today's new dwarven lifestyle 33% of the dwarves in my fort are babies & children. Can you make the dwarf count in DF report Adults/Babies/Children?
Post by: Anrock on April 10, 2012, 09:35:21 pm
Post by: Andir on April 10, 2012, 09:44:10 pm
Can someone post a link to splinterz repository, please?Going just one page back yields a download link: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3174037;topicseen#msg3174037
Assuming you don't want the download and you want a source code repository, I simply clicked on his profile, selected Show Posts...
Found on page 2: http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/#hg%2Fetc%2Fmemory_layouts%2Fwindows
So one could deduce that the repository is located here:
http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/
(Which is also on page 5 of his post history.)
Post by: Anrock on April 10, 2012, 09:49:40 pm
Thanks for help :3Can someone post a link to splinterz repository, please?Going just one page back yields a download link: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3174037;topicseen#msg3174037
Assuming you don't want the download and you want a source code repository, I simply clicked on his profile, selected Show Posts...
Found on page 2: http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/#hg%2Fetc%2Fmemory_layouts%2Fwindows
So one could deduce that the repository is located here:
http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/
(Which is also on page 5 of his post history.)
Post by: Tylermon on April 11, 2012, 12:20:30 am
Post by: Intrinsic on April 11, 2012, 01:58:42 am
Is there any estimated release date for a 34.07 version of Dwarf Therapist?
err like minus 1.5 weeks ago...
Post by: Tylermon on April 11, 2012, 02:21:25 am
Is there any estimated release date for a 34.07 version of Dwarf Therapist?
err like minus 1.5 weeks ago...
Ok then I'm slightly confused because every time I try to use it it says something like unable to connect to this version of dwarf fortress.
And I've been under the assumption it wasn't updated yet due to first post saying "Latest Supported Dwarf Fortress: 0.34.06"
I will try downloading it again later in the day.
Post by: Intrinsic on April 11, 2012, 02:57:33 am
Post by: splinterz on April 11, 2012, 04:42:53 am
splinterz version issue report
Adventure Trait is glitched. For the raw skill value, some dwarves have negative numbers. Others have normal in range numbers. Incorrect memory offset?
Vampire Names are mismatched. The dwarf alias that the vampire is using doesn't show up in DT. I think DT is using his real name?
Failure to pick up tools. This was reported earlier by someone else. In the early days of my fort I assigned miners, but had no pickaxes. Later on I made pickaxes, but the dwarves assigned to the mining task (via DT) didn't go and pick them up. Unassigning them in DF and reassigning them in DF made them go get pickaxes. Unassigning them in DT and reassigning them in DT did not. Although I didn't check what would happen if I waited a while before reassignment.
Nonexisting dwarves: DT reports more dwarves than I have. Possibly due to kidnapping?
Migrant wave ordering: My dwarves no longer show up in the correct Migrant waves. Possibly because some are historical figures? I don't know.
Feature Requests
With today's new dwarven lifestyle 33% of the dwarves in my fort are babies & children. Can you make the dwarf count in DF report Adults/Babies/Children?
well good news, most of these are already fixed and will be in the next update!
fixed
- the adventure trait (and there was one other i don't recall) have been capped at 0 and 100. i originally thought it was a memory issue as well, but no, those are actually the correct values from memory, i compared against dfhack as well.
- the pickup issue should only occur if the 'equipment_recheck' offset is incorrect, but perhaps more testing is due if this doesn't seem to be the case.
- i'm making progress on the kidnapping, but there's no real way to identify them via flags. the 'rider' flag appears to be unchecked for kidnapped babies, but it's also removed if a parent drops a baby. so DT won't show kidnapped babies, but it also won't show babies rolling around on the floor. best i can do so far.
- Shishimar recently sent me a code snippet that should resolve the migration wave issues
pending
- i've been working on vampire names between things, but i haven't been able to figure out how the assumed names are linked to the dwarves
- i'll see what i can do about modifying the count
Post by: vrga on April 11, 2012, 05:54:07 am
These might actually be necromancer dwarves, who remain hidden until discovery, sorta like ambushers. Are you near a Tower and do you get the occasional "The dead walk" message or somesuch? If yes, thats your extra dorf right there.Nonexisting dwarves: DT reports more dwarves than I have. Possibly due to kidnapping?- i'm making progress on the kidnapping, but there's no real way to identify them via flags. the 'rider' flag appears to be unchecked for kidnapped babies, but it's also removed if a parent drops a baby. so DT won't show kidnapped babies, but it also won't show babies rolling around on the floor. best i can do so far.
Post by: splinterz on April 11, 2012, 06:20:26 am
These might actually be necromancer dwarves, who remain hidden until discovery, sorta like ambushers. Are you near a Tower and do you get the occasional "The dead walk" message or somesuch? If yes, thats your extra dorf right there.Nonexisting dwarves: DT reports more dwarves than I have. Possibly due to kidnapping?- i'm making progress on the kidnapping, but there's no real way to identify them via flags. the 'rider' flag appears to be unchecked for kidnapped babies, but it's also removed if a parent drops a baby. so DT won't show kidnapped babies, but it also won't show babies rolling around on the floor. best i can do so far.
i was testing with the recently posted save for the LFR mod and once i got all the zombie dwarves cleared, i had a single baby that showed up in DT but not in the game, anywhere. so i'm assuming it was kidnapped. unless of course it's a hiding baby necromancer... i'll have to do more testing with that save, since it is in an evil biome, but i don't know if there's a tower nearby.
Post by: Tylermon on April 11, 2012, 10:55:52 am
Yeah 1st page isn't the best place to look atm ;p browse back through recent pages and you'll find all that you need :) i think the latest LNP has DT for 34.07 too.
Thanks, found the download and it worked.
Post by: vorpal+5 on April 12, 2012, 02:07:17 am
Any chance to have a magic button in the 'show dwarf details' window (or whatever you name it) that would zero all skills of a dwarf? I'm mightily confused when the haulers are not peasants but have all sort of dwarfy icons (cheesemaker, recordkeeper, whatever). This is not to cheat really, as I'm not asking you to be able to up any skill, but I would really like this 'zero the skills' button.
Post by: Shishimaru on April 12, 2012, 05:12:51 pm
Hey that's my save! :D And I did not found the baby either.
I've found the baby!!! He is the son of 'Farmer' Lelumuthir and 'Marksdwarf' Athelvutok. Look at the relationships of one of his parents to find him.
"Òrdir Sterusònul has been ecstatic lately. He is happy to be free!"
More than kidnapped it seems to me that he ran away from his parents :)
Post by: DwarfEngineer on April 12, 2012, 05:58:25 pm
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
Note, this is for vanilla Dwarf Therapist only, see post above for splinterz' release.
Direct Download Links:
- Windows (Graphics) v0.34.07 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.07_graphics.ini)
- Windows (Legacy) v0.34.07 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.07_legacy.ini)
- Linux v0.34.07 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.07.ini)
- Mac OSX v0.34.07 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.07.ini)
There is also a new version for OSX (http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12b05.dmg) which fixes migrant waves with 34.06.
Sorry for the very long delay! Starting from moving day, my time has been consumed with hauling and building tasks. Now it's time for some On Break and Drink. :)
With summer and the new house, my time will be limited for a while, but I'll still be watching for new releases & getting ready to merge Splinterz' branch.
Post by: vorpal+5 on April 13, 2012, 02:10:25 am
Your links point to .ini though.
Post by: Kami on April 13, 2012, 04:04:14 am
Post by: notfood on April 13, 2012, 10:44:33 pm
Post by: Deon on April 14, 2012, 01:07:46 am
Any way, after a syndrome added some text to a creature name ("vault dweller infected"), they stopped appearing in the list, even after cured. Was it ever fixed for the latest versions?
Post by: splinterz on April 14, 2012, 03:53:41 am
I've got a problem with another version of Therapist... I think it was 0.6.12, with caste support, I don't remember where did I get it from exactly.
Any way, after a syndrome added some text to a creature name ("vault dweller infected"), they stopped appearing in the list, even after cured. Was it ever fixed for the latest versions?
that was probably my branch. i haven't heard of this happening until now so it probably hasn't been fixed. i have been filtering out cursed dwarves (excluding vampires), but i'm not sure that's the same as syndromes. if you happen to have a save available i can do more testing.
Post by: vorpal+5 on April 15, 2012, 03:24:59 am
Zeroing a dwarf skill is a possibility you envision or this is a no-no? Please I beg you, Master :P
Post by: Ninjamestari on April 15, 2012, 04:55:13 am
Post by: splinterz on April 15, 2012, 05:20:45 am
Splinterz, any ETA on your branch which can efficiently remove ghosts/zombies/fake dwarves? I have just too many detected by DT in my game (evil biome)
Zeroing a dwarf skill is a possibility you envision or this is a no-no? Please I beg you, Master :P
the build i'm working on now should filter out all those negative attribute creatures. i'm just putting the finishing touches on a few more things and i hope to get the release out today! at the moment i won't be adding the zeroing out skills to this build, and i'm not sure i want to go down the route of those kinds of modifications. i feel DT was intended to be a tool to help you make decisions and manage your fort, not memory hack your dwarves.
Post by: splinterz on April 15, 2012, 12:17:01 pm
- new role interface, updated role calculations, roles in tooltips and more
- new weapon columns
- the dwarf detail panes are re-sizable and remember sorting/sizes
- options to apply custom professions as masks
- bug fixes for extra dwarves, migration waves, trait values
Branch Project Home (downloads, change logs, source) (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
as always please let me know of any problems, feature requests, or just general feedback you may have! enjoy!
Post by: vityav on April 15, 2012, 02:53:57 pm
alright so i've got another version packaged up full of shinies! there are a lot of changes so i'll just highlight the main points here, and you can read the rest on the download/source page!
...
as always please let me know of any problems, feature requests, or just general feedback you may have! enjoy!
Did a fresh clone and attempting to build gives:
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WARNING: Failure to find: ui/roledialog.h
from qmake, and it won't build with or without that dependency.
Post by: splinterz on April 15, 2012, 03:22:29 pm
Post by: vityav on April 15, 2012, 04:07:06 pm
give it another go now vityav, i'm not sure why it wasn't picking up roledialog.h so i've moved the files back into the main directories and updated the source files
Works wonderfully now. Thanks!
Post by: BigFatStupidHead on April 15, 2012, 06:05:13 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on April 16, 2012, 02:46:07 am
Thank you very much for your work. The new DT works rather well!
A few remarks:
I have now a ton of dwarves listed which are in fact missing dwarves (most, if not all, of them dead).
Waves are still indicated even if there is no one alive in it
Roles calculation should be optional. Some won't use it, or only rarely, but it is twice as slow as the reading of dwarves, making a x3 refresh time overall.
Post by: Intrinsic on April 16, 2012, 03:18:50 am
Both for splinterz and official:
Is it possible to move Dwarf Therapist.ini inside the DT directory? files being strewn all over the system is annoying and makes it a pain in the arse to switch between trying out different versions :) plus i can be booted into any one of 3 OSs on my machine and it'd be nice to not have to setup each one again when i make any changes.
Thanks for another excellent update!
Post by: splinterz on April 16, 2012, 04:12:23 am
Hi Splinterz,
Thank you very much for your work. The new DT works rather well!
A few remarks:
I have now a ton of dwarves listed which are in fact missing dwarves (most, if not all, of them dead).
Waves are still indicated even if there is no one alive in it
Roles calculation should be optional. Some won't use it, or only rarely, but it is twice as slow as the reading of dwarves, making a x3 refresh time overall.
ah yeah sorry. i was trying out a new method of checking for migrants, and apparently the flag i was looking at is also set on the undead? ::) i've updated the package (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/) and it should resolve that for you.
i was afraid some people might have a big performance hit with the roles calculation but i thought i'd wait and see how bad it was. i'll see what i can do about optimization, and worst case i'll have to set an option for role calculations.
Post by: Intrinsic on April 16, 2012, 10:49:15 am
LMB click on Read Dwarves = read and recalc
RMB click on Read Dwarves = only read
Post by: splinterz on April 16, 2012, 06:27:00 pm
download (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: BigFatStupidHead on April 16, 2012, 06:47:43 pm
Post by: daftfad on April 16, 2012, 11:48:13 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on April 17, 2012, 02:21:26 am
Anyone else having trouble getting migration waves to work on the latest splinter build? (Linux 64-bit) It lumps everyone into wave 0.
Migration waves haven't worked at all for me since 31.25, someone mentioned something about DF itself not tracking or doing something right, as opposed to a DT issue.
Post by: splinterz on April 17, 2012, 03:12:29 am
Anyone else having trouble getting migration waves to work on the latest splinter build? (Linux 64-bit) It lumps everyone into wave 0.
i don't have a linux box setup at the moment to test the offsets so they may be off. try editing the layout ini file and change the turn_count to: turn_count=0x053c and see if that works.
Post by: Intrinsic on April 17, 2012, 04:46:32 am
Using Soap related stuff as an example:
Strength, Toughness, Endurance, Kinesthetic Sense:
Lye maker, Potash maker, Soaper, Wood burner
I've started adding(as i need them) the following kind of setup(in the red box) On the left we have their rating, and on the right shows their current skill.
(http://www.zenadsl5706.zen.co.uk/DF/NewRoles.png)
I started trying out this kind of setup because as we know certain attribute combinations cover many skills, and this gave me an easy way to both see their potential and how good they were currently, and set their labours all from one screen which saves me a lot of time hoping about from one tab to the other.
Similarly for the military screen i added their current Teacher and Student skills, and to the right their rating.
(http://www.zenadsl5706.zen.co.uk/DF/NewMilitary.png)
These are still in v9, yet to port them to v10 which will be a lot easier thanks to the custom roles editting from within DT, thanks spliterz!
And a bug: Copying from or setting up roles with "NOT attribute", like Lawdwarf (Weak) doesn't work currently.
Post by: splinterz on April 17, 2012, 05:31:42 am
Post by: Intrinsic on April 17, 2012, 05:48:09 am
are you actually typing NOT strength for the attribute? if you are, you need to do -strength instead. just the negative sign is needed to value aspects inversely, NOT is just how it displays it in the tooltip.
Yep i know to use - when editing the ini manually, but using the new roles setup UI you implemented you can't do that. Try "Copy From" Lawdwarf yourself and you'll see what i mean.
Bug: If you add to or remove a skill from a custom role the tooltip does not update to reflect this but the rating calculation still seems to update and work. You need to either restart DT or click options and then exit out for it to update.
Bug: On several occasions now when i go to edit a custom role the window just comes up with no entires, but only on the last custom role created? as it's just happened again while typing this out but the 1st role i created appears fine(i only have 2 created atm). The window that comes up instead is as if you'd just clicked New Custom Role. Restarting DT resolves this.
Post by: splinterz on April 17, 2012, 05:54:07 am
Post by: Intrinsic on April 17, 2012, 06:03:47 am
Edit: And i'll add, that the 2nd bug i mentioned above about the role box coming up unpopulated, it seems to happen after a certain amount of time? as i can go away for a few mins, come back and it's gone wonky again even without me using it. ie this current session it's just gone again, and all i was doing was had the animals tab open, and was looking for stuff to butcher ingame and thought i'd check to see if i could still edit the last role i made but nope a blank box again.
Post by: splinterz on April 17, 2012, 06:16:31 am
Yep, freshly downloaded only 3 or 4 hours ago.
Edit: And i'll add, that the 2nd bug i mentioned above about the role box coming up unpopulated, it seems to happen after a certain amount of time? as i can go away for a few mins, come back and it's gone wonky again even without me using it. ie this current session it's just gone again, and all i was doing was had the animals tab open, and was looking for stuff to butcher ingame and thought i'd check to see if i could still edit the last role i made but nope a blank box again.
i'll try and get some fixes out later today. so to reproduce the issue i just need to add a few roles, and it's always/only the last one added that glitches? thanks for the testing/reports btw!
Post by: Intrinsic on April 17, 2012, 06:17:56 am
Post by: splinterz on April 17, 2012, 12:55:39 pm
Download it here. (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: Intrinsic on April 17, 2012, 12:57:05 pm
Lol, seems you were posting as i am writing this one :) i'll give the new one a go and see how it turns out. ta!
Edit: I found this one in the previous version but checked the new one before posting it.
Bug: add a new custom set to a grid view, add dodger skill, and then dodger role to it, or any skill and role that has the same name. They'll appear as dodger, and dodger 1. When you restart DT dodger 1 will be blank, ie no rating etc.
NOT stuff works great now thanks! still waiting to experience any odd custom role stuff as previously reported.
Post by: GoldenShadow on April 17, 2012, 02:08:58 pm
Post by: splinterz on April 17, 2012, 03:22:29 pm
I noticed that squads weren't being sorted. I created a new squad(fresh embark) and Dwarf Therapist had the 2 soldiers bolded, but they were under the NoSquad (7) instead of the name of the squad, like the older versions. I haven't tried the one you just posted today, is it fixed?
no i hadn't noticed that, but it's fixed now :-\
Post by: Shishimaru on April 17, 2012, 03:51:07 pm
finally i've started adding in some new animal stuff (trained level in the name, not hiding children, hiding hostile/wild animals) so we'll see how that goes...to hide hostile/wild animals you can filter the civilization id adding in the layout (for the windows version):
[addresses]
current_civ_index=0x01617eb0
[dwarf_offsets]
civ_id=0x010C
and checking the creature civ_id against the player current_civ at the beginning of the Dwarf::get_dwarf
Post by: walberg on April 18, 2012, 08:57:29 am
I noticed that squads weren't being sorted. I created a new squad(fresh embark) and Dwarf Therapist had the 2 soldiers bolded, but they were under the NoSquad (7) instead of the name of the squad, like the older versions. I haven't tried the one you just posted today, is it fixed?
no i hadn't noticed that, but it's fixed now :-\
Not sure exactly when this fix went in, and maybe it hasn't made it into the repository yet - but as of changeset 0f99f37c81f7 ("always show animal children regardless of options" dated 4/17 19:49:49 +0200), it appears to still be broken (Linux, QT 4.6.3). Maybe I'll have to download the posted source and try that instead.
Post by: splinterz on April 18, 2012, 11:15:45 am
Post by: Bodyless on April 18, 2012, 10:48:34 pm
Post by: anqxyr on April 22, 2012, 02:20:51 pm
Post by: Shishimaru on April 24, 2012, 06:28:59 am
I've build both vanilla DT and splinterz's branch from source, then copied the layout for 34.06 from vanilla to splinterz's version, since it doesn't have one by default. My fort have 10 dwarves, and vanilla shows all of them, but the splinterz's DT shows only 8 - all 3 migrants, bun only 5 of starting 7. Am I doing something wrong here, or is this a bug?The splinterz's version layout has a few more offsets. For linux they should be (the sex offset is different from the one in the vanilla DT):
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[dwarf_offsets]
flags3=0x0094
sex=0x00a6
mood=0x01a0
caste=0x00a4
curse=0x4d4
body_size=0x410
animal_type=0xb0
[soul_details]
mental_attrs=0x0068
[invalid_flags_3]
size=1
1\name=a ghost
1\value=0x00001000
Post by: uggi on April 24, 2012, 12:34:50 pm
Post by: Shishimaru on April 28, 2012, 09:40:25 am
Quote
The mining, wood cutting, and hunting labors require the dwarf to either pick up and wield a pick, battle axe, or crossbow. For this reason, a dwarf cannot be assigned to any combination of mining, wood cutting, or hunting at the same time.
To fix this just change the Mining, Wood Cutting and Hunting labors in the file game_data.ini with:
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1/name = Mining
1/id = 0
1/skill = 0
1/requires_equipment = true
1/excludes/size=2
1/excludes/1/labor_id = 10
1/excludes/2/labor_id = 44
4/name = Wood Cutting
4/id = 10
4/skill = 1
4/requires_equipment = true
4/excludes/size=2
4/excludes/1/labor_id = 0
4/excludes/2/labor_id = 44
9/name = Hunting
9/id = 44
9/skill = 57
9/requires_equipment = true
9/excludes/size=2
9/excludes/1/labor_id = 0
9/excludes/2/labor_id = 10
Post by: Kuromimi505 on May 02, 2012, 03:27:38 pm
The only thing I could ask for is a "likes" listing in with the individual Dwarf traits box.
Liking Axes, Hammers, Crossbows, Steel, ect has a definite impact on Armorsmithing, Weaponsmithing, and other crafting; and has a likely impact on weapon choice effectiveness in combat.
Post by: King Mir on May 02, 2012, 07:05:24 pm
1) I can't click to toggle labors. I can however right click to get a menu to toggle the whole group.
2) I can't change the nicknames of dwarves.
I know these things work on the windows version. Anybody have any clue what's up?
Post by: kingubu on May 02, 2012, 11:20:37 pm
I compiled and ran DT on kubuntu windows, but there are some problems:(solved)
1) I can't click to toggle labors. I can however right click to get a menu to toggle the whole group.
2) I can't change the nicknames of dwarves.
I know these things work on the windows version. Anybody have any clue what's up?
I got DT running on ubuntu, and no, there is no nickname option. Bug or unimplemented, I don't know.
Post by: Shishimaru on May 03, 2012, 07:58:00 am
I got DT running on ubuntu, and no, there is no nickname option. Bug or unimplemented, I don't know.
Looking into DT code (in the statetableview.cpp) there are these lines:
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#ifndef Q_WS_X11
m.addAction(tr("Set Nickname..."), this, SLOT(set_nickname()));
m.addSeparator();
#endif
that make the "Set nickname" option unavailable to linux users. I don't know why it is this way and don't have a linux machine available right now to check it.
There is anyone who knows why this option is disabled in linux or willing to try to compile the DT code without the ifndef lines?
Post by: ab9rf on May 04, 2012, 08:45:14 am
that make the "Set nickname" option unavailable to linux users. I don't know why it is this way and don't have a linux machine available right now to check it.Because gcc stores strings as a pointer, while MSVC stores them as a length plus a union of 16 bytes of storage and a pointer. This means that on Linux, to store a string requires doing memory allocation (which DT cannot do; it cannot call malloc as it is not in-process), but on Windows short strings (up to 15 bytes) can be forced into the union. (Note that if there is already a value and it is longer than 15 bytes, forcibly changing it to a short string will cause memory to leak. But as DF already leaks memory like a sieve anyway, it's unlikely anyone will notice.)
There is anyone who knows why this option is disabled in linux or willing to try to compile the DT code without the ifndef lines?
Post by: allison on May 06, 2012, 10:23:52 pm
Small feature request: would it be possible to allow sorting by age?
Post by: James009 on May 08, 2012, 03:43:26 pm
Greetings, fellow beard-bearers,Has anyone come up with a solution to the custom races issue? I seem to remember this being rather easy but having not played for a while I do not remember how to address this.
I've got a Problem that dont seem to be able to solve by myself:
After another crash which killed my save including my entire world, i decidedto set up some mods to my game, or to be more specific the Fortress Defense mod and the Termitefolk Colony mod (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=91853.0).
Since i've always been using Dwarf Therapist, pretty much al the time since i started playing DF, i looked in this thread to see if there was any way to get castes to work. I downloaded the DwafTherapistClone.
Now here's the Problem: It doesnt seem to recognize any of the Termite castes, i guess that's because the game_data.ini only contains the race-index for the dwarven race. Now what would i have to do to find the race index for those termites, or any other custom-made race? I've had some difficulties there, since i've only got very rough to no knowledge about searching memories, and similar things. Only having access to a 6-year-old laptop which was originally designed to be just a terminal-pc doesnt really help either.
Can anyone of you help me with this issue?
Where does one find dwarf_race_index or any race index for that matter?
Post by: Shishimaru on May 08, 2012, 06:27:57 pm
If you have a windows pc and play with 0.34.7 you can try this version:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33938794/DTClone.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33938794/DTClone.zip)
it is based on splinterz version with some change (reads reactions, creatures and castes from the memory, group by migration shows season and year of the migrant arrival and shows if a creature is born in the fortress, reads the correct names also for non dwarven languages)
In the option menu there is an option to show all castes (in some mod such as LFR without this option all dwarf are common dwarf, but in some other mod such as MasterWork with this option you can find the secrete castes losing some fun)
It is a work in progress so I'm not sure it will work as intended. If you try this let me know how it work for you.
Post by: James009 on May 09, 2012, 04:27:54 am
Post by: Shishimaru on May 09, 2012, 05:28:41 am
No idea where you found this but it works BRILLIANTLY. Thanks a lot!I've made it myself. Happy to hear that it works well.
Post by: thistleknot on May 09, 2012, 09:59:17 am
Using a lot of memory dumps of dwarve's and running analysis on them, I came up with concrete % to use for normal, negative, and positive trait %. Initially (the %'s used in v10.2) I never really liked the negative and positive trait results, as some "bins (i.e. range of values)" had too small of a % to accurately say that's indeed the range it covered.
However, I more recently found a rather symmetrical breakdown of how the numbers were laid out.
Can see my wiki contribution here
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Personality_trait#Trait_bins_as_found_examining_16000_dwarves (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Personality_trait#Trait_bins_as_found_examining_16000_dwarves)
Unfortunately. The non symmetrical ones (the means of 45 and 55 respectively) did not appear to have a symmetrical breakdown. However, there were patterns emerging from within the matrix. I noticed that there were always 7 bins, center was always ~78.5%, the ones just adjacent to center always added up to ~17%, and the next set added to ~4%, and the last ~1% (using a histogram to breakdown the data, it was possible to find the height occurrences that were the same, which helped identify the jumps in %). Symmetrical, or non...
So I tried a simple formula that skewed the non symmetrical ones to symmetrical, and voila, the numbers then matched the symmetrical breakdown.
example excel formula:
=IF(Value<=55,(Value/55)*50,(((Value-55)/45)*50)+50)
I actually abandoned my requests for scriptable arrays in the script editor to test my results (which I would still love to have access to) and delved into the code and made the changes myself!
I think Splinterz has found it to his liking and will be implementing it soon.
Post by: thistleknot on May 12, 2012, 08:53:45 am
Hell, it would be nice to just right click on the vertical column's and be able to add from right there to the grid views. Just have an immediate pop-up asking me what I want to add (trait, role, attribute, etc).
Post by: Xen0n on May 12, 2012, 02:11:10 pm
- Back in 31.25 DT could only show skills and traits, not Physical or Mental Attributes (Strength, Agility, Analytical Ability, Patience etc.) However on page 1 of this thread, it shows version 0.6.12 (Which I got last week when I started up with DF2012) showing at least Physical Attributes for a dwarf in a screenshot. How do I access this info? The closest I can get is the 'Dwarf Details' window, which looks mostly like the screenshot, but with no Strength, Agility, Toughness :( Assuming this is possible, is it possible to also see Mental Attributes in DT? I always used to use RUnesmith just to be able to quickly see attributes for my dwarves, but it no longer works with the current version.
- This Splinterz version of DT intrigues me, but I'm a bit lost as to what it does... does it calculate how well-suited a dwarf is for a particular job or something?
EDIT: OMG This Splinterz DT is absolutely incredible; it's everything I have been looking for in a Dwarf Fortress Utility ever since I started playing. Shows skills, traits, AND Attributes etc.! And even rates dwarves based on a fit for a job! Just started playing around and made a custom role, but for some reason it doesn't show up in my 'Roles' tab...
Post by: kingubu on May 12, 2012, 02:30:17 pm
Post by: thistleknot on May 12, 2012, 03:03:07 pm
So you're looking at roles
and you see a bunch of dorf's and you see there a good fit for a role
so...
select them all, then right click, and assign labor!
That would be nice. Rather than
highlighting them all, then...
going to labors
and having to click each individually.
Post by: splinterz on May 12, 2012, 05:10:12 pm
snip
Just started playing around and made a custom role, but for some reason it doesn't show up in my 'Roles' tab...
glad you're enjoying it :) the only way to have a custom role show up in the default roles tab is to name it the same as an existing default role (it will override the default). otherwise you'll have to create a custom view, and add your custom role columns to it. from what you're describing, the easiest way would probably be to copy the default 'roles' view, and then add your newly created custom roles to it.
on a side note i'm working on getting the changes Shishimar sent me/posted for castes and races, as well as the corrected trait stuff for the next release.
Post by: Xen0n on May 12, 2012, 06:45:51 pm
snip
Just started playing around and made a custom role, but for some reason it doesn't show up in my 'Roles' tab...
glad you're enjoying it :) the only way to have a custom role show up in the default roles tab is to name it the same as an existing default role (it will override the default). otherwise you'll have to create a custom view, and add your custom role columns to it. from what you're describing, the easiest way would probably be to copy the default 'roles' view, and then add your newly created custom roles to it.
on a side note i'm working on getting the changes Shishimar sent me/posted for castes and races, as well as the corrected trait stuff for the next release.
Thanks! I'm already having a blast with the default setup! Is the copying view thing you're mentioning accomplished by the "Export View," then 'Import View'? And I guess at some point it'll let me edit it?
Post by: Rhenaya on May 14, 2012, 06:54:58 am
Post by: Rose on May 14, 2012, 07:10:49 am
Actually they generally take the same amount of time.
Post by: LoSboccacc on May 14, 2012, 08:42:49 am
wait for somebody to realize that connecting to DFhack makes upgrading a lot less an issue of shotting around in the dark. ;)
Actually they generally take the same amount of time.
Because it runs so well on macs?
:P
Post by: Natti on May 14, 2012, 09:01:14 am
Post by: Jacko13 on May 14, 2012, 10:59:54 am
Post by: Natti on May 14, 2012, 11:02:08 am
Post by: Darnis on May 14, 2012, 11:02:30 am
Post by: Lockyy on May 14, 2012, 11:15:42 am
If not, anyone got a place I can learn how to do it?
Post by: ab9rf on May 14, 2012, 11:20:14 am
Has anybody tried using the current DT with DF 0.34.08? Limited functionality or no function?Won't work; the offsets will be all wrong.
Post by: Iceflame on May 14, 2012, 11:47:50 am
Post by: Balin on May 14, 2012, 12:01:40 pm
Post by: LoSboccacc on May 14, 2012, 12:03:40 pm
Post by: Jon-Ace on May 14, 2012, 12:18:43 pm
Post by: plaidman on May 14, 2012, 12:19:16 pm
Seriously, every time?
Yes. That's how it works.
Post by: Intrinsic on May 14, 2012, 12:40:05 pm
Post by: ab9rf on May 14, 2012, 12:40:43 pm
Seriously, every time?Yup. At least until Toady starts publishing the symbol tables. (Please?)
Post by: Rose on May 14, 2012, 12:54:47 pm
wait for somebody to realize that connecting to DFhack makes upgrading a lot less an issue of shotting around in the dark. ;)
Actually they generally take the same amount of time.
Because it runs so well on macs?
:P
We just need a mac dev.
Post by: splinterz on May 14, 2012, 01:33:59 pm
v034.08_graphics.ini
in your dwarf therapist's
../etc/memory_layouts/windows/ folder,
and then paste the following into it:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
most of these offsets should work with the vanilla dwarf therapist, however they're intended for my branched build. (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
if you're using the vanilla dwarf therapist and you don't want to risk anything going wrong, wait for dwarf engineer to release the updated offsets.
Post by: Draevos on May 14, 2012, 01:40:24 pm
Post by: Natti on May 14, 2012, 01:42:03 pm
Now I can properly enjoy smashing goblins to small pieces with mining carts full of silver warhammers...
Post by: Darnis on May 14, 2012, 02:44:54 pm
Splinterz you are the MAN. Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Post by: uggi on May 14, 2012, 03:01:30 pm
Code: [Select]
warning: the debug information found in "/usr/lib/debug//usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.7.8" does not match "/usr/lib/libxml2.so.2" (CRC mismatch).
warning: the debug information found in "/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.7.8" does not match "/usr/lib/libxml2.so.2" (CRC mismatch).
And the very long crash report:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: notfood on May 14, 2012, 03:12:31 pm
Post by: greenskye on May 14, 2012, 03:34:37 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on May 14, 2012, 05:53:51 pm
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
Note, this is for vanilla Dwarf Therapist only, see post above for splinterz' release.
Direct Download Links:
- Windows (Graphics) v0.34.08 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.08_graphics.ini)
- Windows (Legacy) v0.34.08 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.08_legacy.ini)
- Linux v0.34.08 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.08.ini)
- Mac OSX v0.34.08 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.08.ini)
Edit: This doesn't include any new jobs/skills. I won't have much time to play this week (*cough*diablo3*cough*) but if someone can put together a save game with a few dwarves doing the new cart-related jobs, I would appreciate it.
Post by: slink on May 14, 2012, 06:30:56 pm
Now I can restart my new fortress from the first spring save, being able to properly manage them. :D
Post by: thistleknot on May 14, 2012, 06:45:19 pm
An inferior game?
What?
omg...
I saw through diablo 3 in 5 minutes...
Oh well, to each his own.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 14, 2012, 06:49:12 pm
Post by: khearn on May 14, 2012, 07:55:48 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 14, 2012, 08:54:30 pm
Post by: khearn on May 14, 2012, 09:23:24 pm
Post by: ab9rf on May 14, 2012, 10:42:35 pm
There is a new vehicle hauling labor missing from DT that I don't think can be corrected with an ini upgrade.Jobs 227 through 230 are Carve Track, Push Track Vehicle, Place Track Vehicle, and Store Item in Vehicle, respectively. Adding these to the appropriate place in game_data.ini should be enough to resolve that. (My copy of game_data.ini has wrong values for a lot of the jobs, but I've never bothered to fix this.)
Post by: HammerDave on May 14, 2012, 11:00:41 pm
If the new jobs are controlled by existing labor preferences, then maybe few or no code changes? I haven't run through the in-game menus completely to see if anything new popped up.
I checked, "Push/Haul Vehicles" is a new labor preference, so that would be a new column. The other jobs seem to be controlled by existing choices, but unconfirmed.
Post by: notfood on May 15, 2012, 12:20:18 am
After wave 3, DwarfTherapist stopped being able to change professions, not sure what happened. The changes don't happen even though Therapist is showing they did.
Post by: Shishimaru on May 15, 2012, 02:52:30 am
There is a new vehicle hauling labor missing from DT that I don't think can be corrected with an ini upgrade.
The new labor can be added modifiying the game_data.ini and adding a custom gridview based on the labors view.
In the game_data.ini paste these lines after the "Wax working" labor:
Code: [Select]
74/name = Push/Haul Vehicles
74/id = 73
74/skill = -1
then start DT and copy the "Labors" gridview, edit the new gridview and add the column of the new labor.
If you compile your version of DT you can add the column directly to the default gridview changing the default_gridviews.dtg:
find these lines
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
and change them with these:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: HammerDave on May 15, 2012, 09:12:21 am
Linux user here.
After wave 3, DwarfTherapist stopped being able to change professions, not sure what happened. The changes don't happen even though Therapist is showing they did.
Try to save; close Therapist; load; open Therapist. Sometimes that fixes glitches like this.
I'm into wave 3, but have saved/loaded so can't check on this fort if 3rd wave arrival breaks it for me. Can check if it's till good after loading though...
Post by: thistleknot on May 15, 2012, 10:01:32 am
If you compile your version of DT you can add the column directly to the default gridview changing the default_gridviews.dtg:
find these lines
I compile mine, you mentioned a dtg file, but what .cpp or .h file do I need to change to add the labor?
Post by: splinterz on May 15, 2012, 10:42:47 am
If you compile your version of DT you can add the column directly to the default gridview changing the default_gridviews.dtg:
find these lines
I compile mine, you mentioned a dtg file, but what .cpp or .h file do I need to change to add the labor?
there's nothing you need to change in the source files. just game_data.ini and the .dtg file.
i've updated the last build of my branched version to include the new labor columns in both default labor views, the new jobs, layout files for windows and the layout file for linux that was posted.
DOWNLOAD (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
no source yet as i'm still in the process of merging other changes.
Post by: SauliusTheBlack on May 15, 2012, 11:27:58 am
EDIT: now it does for some reason(Middle Mouse Button maybe)
Post by: expwnent on May 15, 2012, 12:41:58 pm
Post by: Shishimaru on May 15, 2012, 12:47:28 pm
If you compile your version of DT you can add the column directly to the default gridview changing the default_gridviews.dtg:
find these lines
I compile mine, you mentioned a dtg file, but what .cpp or .h file do I need to change to add the labor?
I should have said this: the default_gridviews.dtg file doesn't shows himself in the IDE, but you can find it in the same folder of the dwarftherapist.pro file
Post by: DemDorfs on May 15, 2012, 06:06:57 pm
Post by: Lich180 on May 15, 2012, 06:16:27 pm
So much easier with this utility than without, just because it takes less keystrokes to arrange jobs
Post by: thistleknot on May 15, 2012, 07:51:00 pm
There is a new vehicle hauling labor missing from DT that I don't think can be corrected with an ini upgrade.
The new labor can be added modifiying the game_data.ini and adding a custom gridview based on the labors view.
In the game_data.ini paste these lines after the "Wax working" labor:Code: [Select]74/name = Push/Haul Vehicles
74/id = 73
74/skill = -1
then start DT and copy the "Labors" gridview, edit the new gridview and add the column of the new labor.
If you compile your version of DT you can add the column directly to the default gridview changing the default_gridviews.dtg:
find these linesSpoiler (click to show/hide)
and change them with these:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I tried modifying the original dtg file, didn't get a push vehicle labororer
I'd use Splinterz version, but I got my own version with some trait id fixes. So...
I guess I have to add it to the .ini?
I even tried
74/name = Push/Haul Vehicles
74/id = 73
74/skill = -1
in the gamedata.ini
what am I doing wrong. I don't see a labor (when I try to add one to my custom gridview) called Push anything, or Vehicle anything, or Haul anything. I do have Item Hauling (but that's a skill). Is that it?
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 15, 2012, 08:41:31 pm
Post by: Azated on May 15, 2012, 11:30:04 pm
Oh thank you, codedwarves, for making this tool available for us...
So much easier with this utility than without, just because it takes less keystrokes to arrange jobs
Have a look over the posts during the week or so before the Therapist 2012 compatibility was added. That should give you some idea. :D
Post by: splinterz on May 16, 2012, 05:35:19 am
The new labor can be added modifiying the game_data.ini and adding a custom gridview based on the labors view.
In the game_data.ini paste these lines after the "Wax working" labor:Code: [Select]74/name = Push/Haul Vehicles
74/id = 73
74/skill = -1
then start DT and copy the "Labors" gridview, edit the new gridview and add the column of the new labor.
If you compile your version of DT you can add the column directly to the default gridview changing the default_gridviews.dtg:
find these linesSpoiler (click to show/hide)
and change them with these:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I tried modifying the original dtg file, didn't get a push vehicle labororer
snip
what am I doing wrong. I don't see a labor (when I try to add one to my custom gridview) called Push anything, or Vehicle anything, or Haul anything. I do have Item Hauling (but that's a skill). Is that it?
you're probably forgetting to increase the size of the arrays
Post by: thistleknot on May 16, 2012, 07:30:57 am
So here's my dtg file
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: thistleknot on May 16, 2012, 08:12:48 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
still no push/haul vehicle
Post by: Shishimaru on May 16, 2012, 08:29:11 am
That woulld have been nice to have in the instructions, does the array need to be adjusted in the dtg file as well?
Sorry about that, I forgot that point...
Anyway your problem is in this line:
Code: [Select]
3\sets\13\columns\11\width=43\sets\14\name=Other JobsIt should be:
Code: [Select]
3\sets\13\columns\11\width=4
3\sets\14\name=Other Jobs
Post by: thistleknot on May 16, 2012, 08:35:38 am
thanks. I was hitting some keys and was unsure what happened. Thanks I can see it now!
Post by: splinterz on May 16, 2012, 08:46:32 am
Hey splinterz, I am using the version you just posted with the vehicle hauling labors added. Sorting by squad does nothing, just like last time.
yeah i missed the squad offset again :P edit the layout file and update the squad_ref_id to:
squad_ref_id=0x08c4
and you'll have your squad sorting back
Post by: plaidman on May 16, 2012, 09:04:43 am
Post by: Anrock on May 16, 2012, 02:43:28 pm
i've updated the last build of my branched version to include the new labor columns in both default labor views, the new jobs, layout files for windows and the layout file for linux that was posted.Yeah, but where is linux build?
DOWNLOAD (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
no source yet as i'm still in the process of merging other changes.
And no layouts.
WHY ._.
Post by: splinterz on May 16, 2012, 03:10:15 pm
Post by: Meph on May 16, 2012, 11:18:52 pm
Post by: King Mir on May 17, 2012, 12:44:06 am
Post by: Shishimaru on May 17, 2012, 08:14:12 am
copy and paste the layout for 0.34.08 (in the "DwarfTherapist\etc\memory_layouts\windows" folder) then change these lines:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
with these:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I can't test right now if there are other changes but with these values it seems to work for me
Post by: slink on May 17, 2012, 08:42:21 am
Did you really mean
creature_vector=0x01828998
or did you mean
creature_vector=0x01828988
because all of the others (except year) are 0x1000 higher and this one is 0x1010 higher.
Both values work, btw.
Post by: Jon-Ace on May 17, 2012, 10:55:16 am
Post by: splinterz on May 17, 2012, 11:15:58 am
splinterz, your branch of DT crashes immediately after trying to open it with 0.34.09 (Windows 7, 32-bit).
yeah that version will do that without proper layout files. it will be fixed in the upcoming release.
Post by: TerryDactyl on May 17, 2012, 11:21:38 am
splinterz, your branch of DT crashes immediately after trying to open it with 0.34.09 (Windows 7, 32-bit).
yeah that version will do that without proper layout files. it will be fixed in the upcoming release.
That said, I punched in the layouts, and it works fine.
Post by: Shishimaru on May 17, 2012, 12:01:34 pm
Did you really mean
creature_vector=0x01828998
or did you mean
creature_vector=0x01828988
Ops.. the first value points to the active creatures vector that I use because it automatically excludes kidnapped babies, the second value points to the standard creatures vector.
The issue with the first value is that if you are at the embark screen the active creature vector is empty, so I actually use the second value if using the first value leads to an empty vector (an additional check in the load_dwarves routine)
Post by: Jon-Ace on May 17, 2012, 12:45:17 pm
Going to redownload DT.
Post by: HammerDave on May 17, 2012, 01:12:04 pm
I'm on Linux, anyone have any progress on a layout?
Post by: Shishimaru on May 17, 2012, 01:24:37 pm
DT tells me that my fort is not loaded using Shishimaru's info.Which version of DT are you using?
With the original version the creatures vector address must be
creature_vector=0x01828988
instead of the one I posted (at least if you are at the embark screen, I think after the embark both values are ok for both versions)
Post by: rtg593 on May 17, 2012, 10:41:08 pm
Well, the dude sucked with the changes made to the materials (or at least, that's the explanation they gave me on the adventurer thread), so I deleted it, and made a new world...
Now it doesn't pull anything up, just says load a fort first. I'm guessing that's normal behavior... Any way to make it pull up the adventurer, again? It was really handy being able to look at his stats with DT's interface...
Post by: plaidman on May 18, 2012, 07:59:57 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Drug_unit on May 18, 2012, 09:03:02 am
Post by: TheCoolSideofthePIllow on May 18, 2012, 09:19:37 am
I am tired of not having a definitive stock count and it would be much simpler to see who (if any) dorf has the highest Bookkeeper skill if DT actually showed that skill.
Post by: Aerval on May 18, 2012, 09:46:00 am
Is there a way to have DT display more skills? Like Organizer, Bookkeeper, and all the other administrative labors?It's there under social skills. Maybe you didn't find it since in uses record keeper skill?
I am tired of not having a definitive stock count and it would be much simpler to see who (if any) dorf has the highest Bookkeeper skill if DT actually showed that skill.
Post by: splinterz on May 18, 2012, 09:46:29 am
Is there a way to have DT display more skills? Like Organizer, Bookkeeper, and all the other administrative labors?
I am tired of not having a definitive stock count and it would be much simpler to see who (if any) dorf has the highest Bookkeeper skill if DT actually showed that skill.
add the social tab
Post by: TeleDwarf on May 18, 2012, 10:10:40 am
Post by: Hamsmagoo on May 18, 2012, 10:22:56 am
I've done some quick calculations for the mac client and I think I have everything in order for v0.34.09.ini. Brief testing tells me these are probably good but I'm quite new to this and made a few assumptions based on other posts for the windows version, so tread carefully.I've been waiting for one that works with osX, so if noone else tries this today, I can confirm it after work, tonight.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: splinterz on May 18, 2012, 10:44:58 am
splinterz, can I somehow add animal attributes to the animals gridview? When I copy animals gridview and add attributes - it starts to display dwarves instead of dogs :(
at the moment no. the animals tab and columns are kind of a hack right now. i've been debating creating some new columns for animal related things with the new changes to training and such, but i'm on the fence about whether or not it's really useful. i usually don't train a lot of animals when i play but if there's enough demand i'll look into it.
Post by: TeleDwarf on May 18, 2012, 11:46:41 am
Post by: Heedicalking on May 18, 2012, 01:05:40 pm
Post by: thereadlines on May 18, 2012, 02:27:56 pm
# Install the qt4 dev tools:
> sudo apt-get install qt4-qmake qt4-dev-tools
# Install mercurial:
> sudo apt-get install mercurial
#Checkout the project
> hg clone https://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/hg/ dwarftherapist
#Build the project
> qmake
> make
#copy /etc from ./splintermind-attributes to /bin/release/ and make a new directory /bin/release/log
Now run the program **without an active DF session**. It will download the newest "updates", I'm guessing these are new layouts (is that right?). Once this is done, it will work just fine -- well, at least it hasn't crashed on me yet.
#To run the program:
> sudo ./DwarfTherapist
You do have to run this with superuser permissions, and if you start it with an active DF session without allowing it to update first, it will immediately crash. Hope that helps.
Thanks to all of the programmers here.
Post by: Theropod Watcher on May 18, 2012, 03:14:38 pm
Post by: DwarfEngineer on May 18, 2012, 03:48:44 pm
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
Note, this is for vanilla Dwarf Therapist only, see post above for splinterz' release.
Direct Download Links:
- Windows (Graphics) v0.34.09 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.09_graphics.ini)
- Windows (Legacy) v0.34.09 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.09_legacy.ini)
- Linux v0.34.09 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.09.ini)
- Mac OSX v0.34.09 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.09.ini)
Will work on a new release with the new skill(s) added to the grid layout & labor updates for next week.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 18, 2012, 04:00:59 pm
Post by: thistleknot on May 18, 2012, 04:56:08 pm
Post by: notfood on May 18, 2012, 06:43:56 pm
Latest Therapist disconnects on each migrant wave, saying dwarf fortress is no longer running even though it is.
Reloading fixes it though.
Post by: demise_ on May 18, 2012, 06:46:47 pm
ATM I cant seem to get DT to work though. After dumping the new ini files into the memory_layouts folder (which is the only change im making from a fresh download from code.google) and running DF i get an error complaining the version isn't correct.
It says the checksum of df(v0.34.09) has a check sum of 0xf36bac23.
Is there some part of the update process I'm skipping? or is it just bugged for me?
Edit: Problem solved! If I run Dwarf Fortress in Admin mode (Was already running DT in Admin mode) it all works OK!
Non-Admin mode must change somethings in Dwarf Fortress coding :S
Post by: kousoku on May 18, 2012, 06:54:05 pm
edit: figured it out. It was a sort of imatotalnewb moment...
Post by: CLA on May 18, 2012, 07:07:45 pm
Same problem as above. Is their a place I can go to get step by step directions on how to update to 0.34.09? Thanks.Download DF 0.34.09 or your favorite graphic pack prepacked version
unpack in new folder
copy over saves from your old version (in data/save)
Download The Rapist from the google code page
install it where ever you want
put the new memory layout posted in this thread and put it in etc/memory_layouts (or whatever it's called) in the rapist folder.
start the rapist
start DF
Post by: profit on May 18, 2012, 07:09:21 pm
Post by: Hamsmagoo on May 18, 2012, 07:29:14 pm
v0.34.09 Layouts Updated:P!!!!!!
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
Note, this is for vanilla Dwarf Therapist only, see post above for splinterz' release.
Direct Download Links:
- Windows (Graphics) v0.34.09 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.09_graphics.ini)
- Windows (Legacy) v0.34.09 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.09_legacy.ini)
- Linux v0.34.09 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.09.ini)
- Mac OSX v0.34.09 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.09.ini)
Will work on a new release with the new skill(s) added to the grid layout & labor updates for next week.
so happy!
Post by: J75Ghost on May 18, 2012, 08:18:01 pm
Dwarf Therapist is working again in 34.09!!!
...And Armok smiles down from his Gold and Platinum encrusted ADAMANTINE Throne on high.
Post by: ag on May 19, 2012, 04:09:11 am
- https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/blob/master/linux/therapist.ini (https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/blob/master/linux/therapist.ini)
- https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/blob/master/windows/therapist.ini (https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/blob/master/windows/therapist.ini)
Found that the official windows offsets above have current_year and sex wrong, while linux ones have creature_vector wrong. This wrong vector is very deceptive in that it is initially identical to the real one, but is only valid during serialization and deserialization of game data.
Post by: TeleDwarf on May 19, 2012, 04:30:43 am
Post by: TheCoolSideofthePIllow on May 19, 2012, 05:16:38 am
Is there a way to have DT display more skills? Like Organizer, Bookkeeper, and all the other administrative labors?It's there under social skills. Maybe you didn't find it since in uses record keeper skill?
I am tired of not having a definitive stock count and it would be much simpler to see who (if any) dorf has the highest Bookkeeper skill if DT actually showed that skill.
D'oh!
I don't know why I thought the skill was "bookkeeper."
Post by: splinterz on May 19, 2012, 01:35:30 pm
splinterz, what does lawdwarf (weak) mean in the profession affinity? is it a sheriff?
yeah, or i suppose hammerer. anyone you want in a law position that essentially won't punch people through the skull when administering justice ;D
Post by: SuicideJunkie on May 19, 2012, 02:15:21 pm
I was able to start therapist, and it is able to read my existing dwarves.
However, as soon as I click on the labor grid, the app closes.
The skill legend popup is full of "UNKNOWN"s
Also, when I go to the help->about, it says 0.6.12- and at the bottom "version check failed".
Clicking "check for updates" does nothing. Doubleclicking the button gives "unknown error" in the console.
Any idea what might have gone wrong?
edit:
I checked the run.log file, and it had no further entries after (load_squads).
Post by: daftfad on May 20, 2012, 10:55:33 am
Post by: notfood on May 20, 2012, 11:27:17 am
Linux: DT refuses to connect whenever migrants come, presumably because of the problem ag outlined above. Anyone else having this problem on linux?
Same issue here.
Post by: splinterz on May 20, 2012, 11:45:00 am
Linux: DT refuses to connect whenever migrants come, presumably because of the problem ag outlined above. Anyone else having this problem on linux?
Same issue here.
try changing squad_ref_id=0x070c to squad_ref_id=0x08c4 and see if that works (for linux 34.09 vanilla DT)
edit: disregard. as ag has so politely pointed out, this isn't the correct offset.
Post by: ag on May 20, 2012, 12:43:44 pm
try changing squad_ref_id=0x070c to squad_ref_id=0x08c4 and see if that works (for linux 34.09 vanilla DT)
*facepalm*
May I ask what may be the purpose of using a windows offset in linux? That offset is 20 bytes bigger than the whole length of the unit structure there.
The reason stuff breaks once the unit set changes is almost certainly that the 'vanilla' offsets use the unit vector that is only used during game loading or saving, and ceases to be updated after that.
Specifically, this is the correct value, and not what is in those offsets:
- creature_vector=0x096789cc
Post by: splinterz on May 20, 2012, 02:39:24 pm
try changing squad_ref_id=0x070c to squad_ref_id=0x08c4 and see if that works (for linux 34.09 vanilla DT)
*facepalm*
May I ask what may be the purpose of using a windows offset in linux? That offset is 20 bytes bigger than the whole length of the unit structure there.
The reason stuff breaks once the unit set changes is almost certainly that the 'vanilla' offsets use the unit vector that is only used during game loading or saving, and ceases to be updated after that.
Specifically, this is the correct value, and not what is in those offsets:
- creature_vector=0x096789cc
obviously i wasn't referencing the proper offsets. hardly worth ridiculing me over.
Post by: ag on May 20, 2012, 03:11:50 pm
obviously i wasn't referencing the proper offsets. hardly worth ridiculing me over.
Yeah, sorry for the extreme reaction, but, having already posted the correct value two days ago, this whole situation was a bit too much for me. ;)
Post by: splinterz on May 20, 2012, 04:12:39 pm
obviously i wasn't referencing the proper offsets. hardly worth ridiculing me over.
Yeah, sorry for the extreme reaction, but, having already posted the correct value two days ago, this whole situation was a bit too much for me. ;)
ah yeah. i figured they'd have already tried that and it wasn't working... :P
Post by: TheCoolSideofthePIllow on May 21, 2012, 01:09:07 am
Is there a way to add it? Or will the program need to be updated?
Post by: Shishimaru on May 21, 2012, 07:20:07 am
There doesn't appear to be a "Push/Haul Vehicle" labor tab.http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3284854#msg3284854 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3284854#msg3284854)
Is there a way to add it? Or will the program need to be updated?
You may need to update the layouts
Post by: Shishimaru on May 21, 2012, 07:38:02 am
copy and paste the layout for 0.34.09 (in the "DwarfTherapist\etc\memory_layouts\windows" folder) then change these lines:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
with these
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheCoolSideofthePIllow on May 21, 2012, 08:15:43 am
There doesn't appear to be a "Push/Haul Vehicle" labor tab.http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3284854#msg3284854 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3284854#msg3284854)
Is there a way to add it? Or will the program need to be updated?
You may need to update the layouts
I'll try it. I tried doing the edit thing, but it didn't work. If you have to edit some "DTG" file, then that was not explained, nor can I find any in the DT folders.
Post by: ag on May 21, 2012, 08:31:59 am
The windows layout for DF 34.10 seems to be identical to the layouts for 34.09
Confirming that (with the underlined addition). These ones should work for linux:
https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/blob/master/linux/therapist.ini (https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/blob/master/linux/therapist.ini)
Post by: splinterz on May 21, 2012, 09:35:16 am
- races, castes and reactions are read from memory for better/correct descriptions, filtering and more
- migration issues have been totally resolved and grouping shows season and year of arrival/birth
- using ctrl+left click you can select multiple dwarfs and toggle multiple labors at once
- added an option to show related roles in labor columns and sort by 'labor enabled' then role rating (enabled by default). essentially this allows you to see who's the best for that labor/job simply by sorting the column
- trait ratings for roles have been fixed and tweaked for greater accuracy
- custom animal views show attribute/columns properly
- attribute descriptions/drawing are now caste specific
Project Home // Download (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
as always, please report any problems and i'll try to get them resolved as soon as i can. there are a lot of new offsets in this release, and i'm unable to test the linux ones so things may explode violently. there's also some delay on the initial load for the reactions and caste data and if you find it unbearable speak up and i'll see what i can do.
Post by: ag on May 21, 2012, 09:50:41 am
there's also some delay on the initial load for the reactions and caste data and if you find it unbearable speak up and i'll see what i can do.
Re performance, I see that on linux it still reopens the memory file every time it tries to read a few bytes.
See this patch from last year:
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/attachmentText?id=175&aid=5269343667341637806&name=linux-performance.patch&token=TCejWaHb-AhytBPAVzvB1w2roLE%3A1337453272258 (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/attachmentText?id=175&aid=5269343667341637806&name=linux-performance.patch&token=TCejWaHb-AhytBPAVzvB1w2roLE%3A1337453272258)
Post by: thistleknot on May 21, 2012, 09:54:26 am
I had an idea this past Friday on a few ideas. I thought if labors had a few variables assigned to them...
such as
A. "Attention required", a float from 0 to 1, when a dorf is assigned to a labor, this value is added to that dorf's attention available pool, when that dorf is filled up to 1, it means he is near capacity.
A few variables could affect this, such as # of workshops that are fed from this labor, as well as the # of dorfs, but these additional concepts are unnecessary for initial understanding of the concept.
Two other variables that kind of tie into each other, that would affect how important the dorf's role % is for this rating:
B1. Speed required for the job (i.e. a fast miner) a value from 0 to 1, or 0 to 100%
B2. Quality required for the job (i.e. a quality mason or carpenter). 0 to 1 or 100%
If a value of 0 is used for both B1 and B2, it means role rating % for this labor is unimportant (this is useful information for the next category C, because this means "attention required" can be spent more efficiently on a higher priority role if this role is a lower priority.
In other words. The worst dorf for the job can be used if B1 and B2 are 0, of course one would only want to do this to save on a dorf's A variable for a job that is more important (C Variable).
C. Also, a priority sorter. A list of labors would have priorities assigned to them, and how many of them one would need (i.e. 2 carpenters vs 3)
After priorities are set for jobs, the sorter would take the above B values, transform role %'s, and try to fill in the priority sorter first, filling up the "attention available" of dorf's until their rating is 1.
I was hoping to do some spreadsheet work on it, but it requires role %'s being outputted to a csv sheet. I asked Shishimar if he knew of a way to export grid views to csv's
Anyone got some ideas
BTW, thanks for the update Splinterz.
Post by: splinterz on May 21, 2012, 11:00:53 am
there's also some delay on the initial load for the reactions and caste data and if you find it unbearable speak up and i'll see what i can do.
Re performance, I see that on linux it still reopens the memory file every time it tries to read a few bytes.
See this patch from last year:
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/attachmentText?id=175&aid=5269343667341637806&name=linux-performance.patch&token=TCejWaHb-AhytBPAVzvB1w2roLE%3A1337453272258 (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/attachmentText?id=175&aid=5269343667341637806&name=linux-performance.patch&token=TCejWaHb-AhytBPAVzvB1w2roLE%3A1337453272258)
nice find. have you happened to try the nickname patch posted in the same topic?
Post by: Quietust on May 21, 2012, 11:32:55 am
In case you weren't aware, ag is the one who wrote all of those patches ("ag" == "angavrilov").there's also some delay on the initial load for the reactions and caste data and if you find it unbearable speak up and i'll see what i can do.
Re performance, I see that on linux it still reopens the memory file every time it tries to read a few bytes.
See this patch from last year:
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/attachmentText?id=175&aid=5269343667341637806&name=linux-performance.patch&token=TCejWaHb-AhytBPAVzvB1w2roLE%3A1337453272258 (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/attachmentText?id=175&aid=5269343667341637806&name=linux-performance.patch&token=TCejWaHb-AhytBPAVzvB1w2roLE%3A1337453272258)
nice find. have you happened to try the nickname patch posted in the same topic?
Post by: thistleknot on May 21, 2012, 12:17:54 pm
I'm looking for the attribute values, trait values, skill exp, dorf name values exportable to a csv file, or importable into scalc.
Maybe I should ask this in the dfhack thread...
Post by: Abysium on May 21, 2012, 12:43:42 pm
The problem is that to do this, I still need to group the dwarves by sex (makes only 2 groups), and check every job twice(once for each sex)... now thats still a lot of clicking
my question is, is it possible to enable all jobs for everyone (except mining/woodcuting obviusly) with as few clicks as possible? preferably one?
I dont know if it would be a very much used feature, but its worth it when you only want to test some cart mechanics and want a track carved/constructed real fast...
Post by: splinterz on May 21, 2012, 01:17:08 pm
Lately (with the new minecart versions) I tend to test features on small forts that are only meent to last a year or two. To get good production speeds with a small number of dwarves, I'm using a socialist work scheme (everyone does everything)
The problem is that to do this, I still need to group the dwarves by sex (makes only 2 groups), and check every job twice(once for each sex)... now thats still a lot of clicking
my question is, is it possible to enable all jobs for everyone (except mining/woodcuting obviusly) with as few clicks as possible? preferably one?
I dont know if it would be a very much used feature, but its worth it when you only want to test some cart mechanics and want a track carved/constructed real fast...
if you have them grouped you can click on the header cell/square to toggle labor for the entire group. i believe this works with vanilla as well. in the version i just released you can select multiple dwarfs and then toggle the labor for all of them.
Post by: Quietust on May 21, 2012, 01:40:08 pm
my question is, is it possible to enable all jobs for everyone (except mining/woodcuting obviusly) with as few clicks as possible? preferably one?For the record, I made this same suggestion (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=283) over a year and a half ago.
Post by: Abysium on May 21, 2012, 01:42:53 pm
only we just got the vanila .10
now im shaking and waiting for therapist compatible with .10
dwarf withdrawl syndrome....
also:
For the record, I made this same suggestion (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=283) over a year and a half ago.GO SOCIALIST BUTTON:D
Post by: Shishimaru on May 21, 2012, 02:32:58 pm
great, I have to try it:)The last Splinterz version already have the layout for .10
only we just got the vanila .10
now im shaking and waiting for therapist compatible with .10
Post by: slink on May 21, 2012, 04:19:49 pm
great, I have to try it:)
only we just got the vanila .10
now im shaking and waiting for therapist compatible with .10
dwarf withdrawl syndrome....
The layout for DF 34.10 seems to be identical to the layouts for 34.09
copy and paste the layout for 0.34.09 (in the "DwarfTherapist\etc\memory_layouts\windows" folder) then change these lines:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
with theseSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Abysium on May 21, 2012, 04:43:51 pm
Change the line in which file Theres probably around twenty here
Post by: Shishimaru on May 21, 2012, 04:57:09 pm
seems so easy its almost a crime to ask:
Change the line in which file Theres probably around twenty here
1. copy the file "v0.34.09_graphics.ini" in the (in the "DwarfTherapist\etc\memory_layouts\windows" folder)
2. paste it in the same folder
3. rename this new file as "v0.34.10_graphics.ini"
4. open the file "v0.34.10_graphics.ini" and change the first lines with these:
Code: [Select]
[info]
checksum=0x4fba073a
version_name=v0.34.10 (graphics)
complete=trueor you can download the last Splinterz version of DT, it has the layouts for the 34.10
http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/ (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: Abysium on May 21, 2012, 05:22:27 pm
thnx
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 21, 2012, 05:45:54 pm
Crossbow Making
Hunting
Trapping
Small Animal Dissection
Dyeing
Wood burning
Cheese Maker
Milker
Shearer
Spinner
Fish Cleaner
Fish Dissection
Clothes Making
Pottery
Glazing
Wax working
Siege Engineering
It seems like the one thing these all have in common is they don't have an associated role in the Role tab.
Post by: SuicideJunkie on May 21, 2012, 06:18:05 pm
I'm trying to dig through an aquifer and that skill is somewhat important here :)
Post by: thistleknot on May 21, 2012, 07:44:29 pm
Hey splinterz, I have a bug report. I'm using your new version. When i click on the column heading to sort by skill level, some skills don't do anything. The ones I notice are:
Crossbow Making
Hunting
Trapping
Small Animal Dissection
Dyeing
Wood burning
Cheese Maker
Milker
Shearer
Spinner
Fish Cleaner
Fish Dissection
Clothes Making
Pottery
Glazing
Wax working
Siege Engineering
It seems like the one thing these all have in common is they don't have an associated role in the Role tab.
I think it's cuz he copied shish's layouts which was missing these. You can fix it by dl'ing an earlier version of splinterz branch, and overwriting the .ini with an older... or maybe that will fuck shit up. you can try a pspad file comparison between the two, I'm about too...
Update:
I take that back... I don't know why there missing. Guess time to manually put them back in...
Update again:
Yeah, I've had to manually add a bowyer role
Post by: Anathema on May 21, 2012, 10:40:53 pm
seems so easy its almost a crime to ask:
Change the line in which file Theres probably around twenty here
1. copy the file "v0.34.09_graphics.ini" in the (in the "DwarfTherapist\etc\memory_layouts\windows" folder)
2. paste it in the same folder
3. rename this new file as "v0.34.10_graphics.ini"
4. open the file "v0.34.10_graphics.ini" and change the first lines with these:Code: [Select][info]
checksum=0x4fba073a
version_name=v0.34.10 (graphics)
complete=true
I did this and uploaded Dwarf Therapist for 34.10 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6064) to DFFD, for anyone that wants to avoid the hassle of downloading DF 34.09 just to get the config auto-update to edit it to 34.10. It's easy enough to edit 34.09 to work for 34.10, but apparently you can't get the 34.09 config to start with unless you auto-update with the appropriate (now outdated) DF version running? I feel like I'm missing the easy way to update :P
Post by: kingubu on May 21, 2012, 10:48:12 pm
Hrm. Maybe I'm going blind, but I can't seem to find Swimmer skill in the list.
I'm trying to dig through an aquifer and that skill is somewhat important here :)
There has never been swimming skill in the time I've been playing. Someone smarter than me should fix that.
Post by: runlvlzero on May 22, 2012, 01:50:09 am
seems so easy its almost a crime to ask:
Change the line in which file Theres probably around twenty here
1. copy the file "v0.34.09_graphics.ini" in the (in the "DwarfTherapist\etc\memory_layouts\windows" folder)
2. paste it in the same folder
3. rename this new file as "v0.34.10_graphics.ini"
4. open the file "v0.34.10_graphics.ini" and change the first lines with these:Code: [Select][info]
checksum=0x4fba073a
version_name=v0.34.10 (graphics)
complete=true
I did this and uploaded Dwarf Therapist for 34.10 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6064) to DFFD, for anyone that wants to avoid the hassle of downloading DF 34.09 just to get the config auto-update to edit it to 34.10. It's easy enough to edit 34.09 to work for 34.10, but apparently you can't get the 34.09 config to start with unless you auto-update with the appropriate (now outdated) DF version running? I feel like I'm missing the easy way to update :P
I had this problem, thanks for taking the time to upload a working version =)
Post by: splinterz on May 22, 2012, 03:30:11 am
Hrm. Maybe I'm going blind, but I can't seem to find Swimmer skill in the list.
I'm trying to dig through an aquifer and that skill is somewhat important here :)
There has never been swimming skill in the time I've been playing. Someone smarter than me should fix that.
the swimming skill isn't on any of the default views, but it's there. you can add it to any custom view you create.
Post by: ag on May 22, 2012, 03:39:25 am
the swimming skill isn't on any of the default views, but it's there. you can add it to any custom view you create.
Why can't it be in the military page, right next to crutch walker?
Post by: Tierre on May 22, 2012, 03:49:12 am
Post by: splinterz on May 22, 2012, 04:14:48 am
Splinterz i got a question. I tried yout DT and i have a question about traits used for labor assistant. Some of my dwarfes got 17% for fighting roles but they got all attributes to 5000 and all skills to 16 and all traits changed to suit my needs. For example they are incredibly calm and never rage. But DT says that they got only 17% affinity for fighting role O_O and for nursing too though they are fullfilled by helping others. What can cause this?
yeah that does sound strange. i'd like to take a look at the roles and dwarfs' stats... if it's not too much trouble would you mind uploading your save so i can take a closer look?
Why can't it be in the military page, right next to crutch walker?
it will be in the next patch
Post by: ag on May 22, 2012, 04:28:14 am
have you happened to try the nickname patch posted in the same topic?
Re this: I did write it for the vanilla v0.31.25 dwarf therapist, and used my own build with it until v0.34 came out without any noted problems. It might need re-merging now though, if any related code was changed. It also doesn't address the true complexity of setting a nickname properly: :)
https://github.com/angavrilov/dfhack/blob/f37f708b37bf21ded2ca99fac6db3facd7a05fcf/library/modules/Units.cpp#L554 (https://github.com/angavrilov/dfhack/blob/f37f708b37bf21ded2ca99fac6db3facd7a05fcf/library/modules/Units.cpp#L554)
Post by: uggi on May 22, 2012, 04:58:43 am
Post by: splinterz on May 22, 2012, 05:10:23 am
have you happened to try the nickname patch posted in the same topic?
Re this: I did write it for the vanilla v0.31.25 dwarf therapist, and used my own build with it until v0.34 came out without any noted problems. It might need re-merging now though, if any related code was changed. It also doesn't address the true complexity of setting a nickname properly: :)
https://github.com/angavrilov/dfhack/blob/f37f708b37bf21ded2ca99fac6db3facd7a05fcf/library/modules/Units.cpp#L554 (https://github.com/angavrilov/dfhack/blob/f37f708b37bf21ded2ca99fac6db3facd7a05fcf/library/modules/Units.cpp#L554)
as far as i can tell it wasn't ever merged into DT. i'm going to give it a try and i'll finally have to bite the bullet and setup a vmware with linux to test it out. thanks for the reference to that code as well, i wasn't aware the nickname was also set in the soul and historical figure id. i'll have to try that as well...
Post by: Shishimaru on May 22, 2012, 06:19:00 am
I'm trying to get Splinter'z build (revision 5f2c8d1b9f2b) running on Linux. It connects to DF and starts loading reactions, then races and classes, and when it tries to load dwarves, it pops up the "Unable to talk to DF" dialog. Meantime, vanilla DT works fine.Which version of DF are you using?
Post by: Captain Goatse on May 22, 2012, 06:19:22 am
Post by: uggi on May 22, 2012, 06:43:50 am
I'm trying to get Splinter'z build (revision 5f2c8d1b9f2b) running on Linux. It connects to DF and starts loading reactions, then races and classes, and when it tries to load dwarves, it pops up the "Unable to talk to DF" dialog. Meantime, vanilla DT works fine.Which version of DF are you using?
Sorry, forgot to mention it. 0.34.10. Here's an excerpt of run.log:
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2012-May-22 14:44:02.869 DEBUG core Connection to DF version "v0.34.10" established. [src/mainwindow.cpp:301] (connect_to_df)
2012-May-22 14:44:02.928 DEBUG core Loading language translation tables [src/languages.cpp:53] (load_data)
2012-May-22 14:44:02.930 DEBUG core Loading generic strings from 96bb130 [src/languages.cpp:66] (load_data)
2012-May-22 14:44:02.934 DEBUG core generic words 2173 [src/languages.cpp:68] (load_data)
2012-May-22 14:44:06.322 INFO core Reading reactions names... [src/dfinstance.cpp:295] (load_game_data)
2012-May-22 14:44:07.571 INFO core Reading races and castes... [src/dfinstance.cpp:316] (load_game_data)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.320 INFO core Reading some game raws... [src/dfinstance.cpp:279] (read_raws)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.331 DEBUG core Reading from file: "/home/uggi/df_linux_34_10/raw/objects/item_weapon.txt" [src/raws/rawreader.cpp:219] (read_weapons)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.417 INFO core Loaded 8 views from disk [src/viewmanager.cpp:133] (reload_views)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.517 DEBUG core loading creatures from "0x09679db8" "0x09679db8" (UNCORRECTED) [src/dfinstance.cpp:379] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.518 DEBUG core dwarf race index "0x09661640" "0x09661640" (UNCORRECTED) [src/dfinstance.cpp:381] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.518 DEBUG core current year "0x0965f140" "0x0965f140" (UNCORRECTED) [src/dfinstance.cpp:383] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.518 DEBUG core civilization id: "0x0000000a" [src/dfinstance.cpp:389] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.518 DEBUG core dwarf race: "0x000001d1" [src/dfinstance.cpp:393] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.518 DEBUG core current year: 100 [src/dfinstance.cpp:396] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.519 WARNING core vector at "0x09679da8" has over 5000 entries! ( 40448574 ) [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:66] (enumerate_vector)
2012-May-22 14:44:11.918 WARNING core Tried to read 161794296 bytes but only got 112597240 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:87] (enumerate_vector)
2012-May-22 14:44:15.958 INFO core found 0 dwarves out of 0 creatures [src/dfinstance.cpp:440] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:15.959 WARNING core not connected [src/dfinstance.cpp:497] (load_squads)
2012-May-22 14:44:15.963 WARNING core lost connection to DF [src/mainwindow.cpp:335] (lost_df_connection)
2012-May-22 14:44:16.033 DEBUG core DFInstance baseclass virtual dtor! [src/dfinstance.cpp:120] (~DFInstance)
2012-May-22 14:44:25.756 INFO core Beginning shutdown [src/mainwindow.cpp:232] (closeEvent)
2012-May-22 14:44:25.756 DEBUG core beginning to write settings [src/mainwindow.cpp:208] (write_settings)
2012-May-22 14:44:25.757 DEBUG core finished writing settings [src/mainwindow.cpp:227] (write_settings)
2012-May-22 14:44:25.757 INFO core Closing Dwarf Therapist normally [src/mainwindow.cpp:238] (closeEvent)
I've tried to locate the vectors with the scan memory tool. These are my results:
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Dwarf Race = 0x09661640 (uncorrected:0x09661640)
language_vector = 0x096bb130 (uncorrected:0x096bb130)
word_table = 0x0000001c
translation_vector = 0x096bb148 (uncorrected:0x096bb148)Can't find creature vector, and searching for squad vector eats up all the RAM and crashes.
Post by: ag on May 22, 2012, 07:00:05 am
Code: [Select]2012-May-22 14:44:10.517 DEBUG core loading creatures from "0x09679db8" "0x09679db8" (UNCORRECTED) [src/dfinstance.cpp:379] (load_dwarves)
...
2012-May-22 14:44:10.519 WARNING core vector at "0x09679da8" has over 5000 entries! ( 40448574 ) [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:66] (enumerate_vector)
The first offset is a correct address of the units.active vector of units on the map. The second one is junk.
Post by: splinterz on May 22, 2012, 07:30:34 am
Code: [Select]2012-May-22 14:44:10.517 DEBUG core loading creatures from "0x09679db8" "0x09679db8" (UNCORRECTED) [src/dfinstance.cpp:379] (load_dwarves)
...
2012-May-22 14:44:10.519 WARNING core vector at "0x09679da8" has over 5000 entries! ( 40448574 ) [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:66] (enumerate_vector)
The first offset is a correct address of the units.active vector of units on the map. The second one is junk.
yeah there's one bad offset, and an offset missing in the layout file. hopefully i'll have a fix up soon.
Post by: Shishimaru on May 22, 2012, 07:37:21 am
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VIRTADDR all_units = active_units - 0x10;with these
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VIRTADDR all_units = active_units - 0xC;The relative offsets for the two vectors are different in linux and windows. That line actually should be:
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#ifdef Q_WS_WIN
VIRTADDR all_units = active_units - 0x10;
#else
#ifdef Q_WS_MAC
VIRTADDR all_units = active_units - 0xC; <-- I don't know if this is the correct value for Mac
#else
#ifdef Q_WS_X11
VIRTADDR all_units = active_units - 0xC;
#endif
#endif
#endif
Post by: ag on May 22, 2012, 07:46:35 am
The relative offsets for the two vectors are different in linux and windows. That line actually should be:
Actually, they should be two different offsets: leave creature_vector to mean units.all for backward compatibility with vanilla DT, and add active_creature_vector or whatever. ;)
Post by: splinterz on May 22, 2012, 07:55:48 am
The relative offsets for the two vectors are different in linux and windows. That line actually should be:
Actually, they should be two different offsets. ;)
yeah that was a very bad decision to use a relative offset. i can't believe i left that in there :-\
Post by: Shishimaru on May 22, 2012, 07:58:11 am
Post by: uggi on May 22, 2012, 09:30:31 am
@uggi: in the dfinstance.cpp file find the DFInstance::get_creatures() function and change this line
Ok, changed that, compiled and tried again. Now instead of this:
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2012-May-22 14:44:10.518 DEBUG core current year: 100 [src/dfinstance.cpp:396] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.519 WARNING core vector at "0x09679da8" has over 5000 entries! ( 40448574 ) [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:66] (enumerate_vector)
2012-May-22 14:44:11.918 WARNING core Tried to read 161794296 bytes but only got 112597240 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:87] (enumerate_vector)
2012-May-22 14:44:15.958 INFO core found 0 dwarves out of 0 creatures [src/dfinstance.cpp:440] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:15.959 WARNING core not connected [src/dfinstance.cpp:497] (load_squads)
2012-May-22 14:44:15.963 WARNING core lost connection to DF [src/mainwindow.cpp:335] (lost_df_connection)
I now got this:
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2012-May-22 17:23:07.131 DEBUG core current year: 100 [src/dfinstance.cpp:396] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 17:23:07.744 INFO core found 0 dwarves out of 61 creatures [src/dfinstance.cpp:440] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 17:23:07.744 DEBUG core loading squads from "0x096b7cc0" "0x096b7cc0" (UNCORRECTED) [src/dfinstance.cpp:520] (load_squads)
2012-May-22 17:23:07.758 INFO core Found 1 squads out of 1 [src/dfinstance.cpp:545] (load_squads)
2012-May-22 17:23:07.763 WARNING core lost connection to DF [src/mainwindow.cpp:335] (lost_df_connection)
So, it's a little better but still throwing the "Unable to talk to DF" dialog. I played around with the scan memory tool, getting the same results. Still can't find the creature vector, and trying to find the squad vector crashes DT. Here's the long crash report if needed:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: splinterz on May 22, 2012, 09:38:49 am
@uggi: in the dfinstance.cpp file find the DFInstance::get_creatures() function and change this line
Ok, changed that, compiled and tried again. Now instead of this:Code: [Select]2012-May-22 14:44:10.518 DEBUG core current year: 100 [src/dfinstance.cpp:396] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:10.519 WARNING core vector at "0x09679da8" has over 5000 entries! ( 40448574 ) [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:66] (enumerate_vector)
2012-May-22 14:44:11.918 WARNING core Tried to read 161794296 bytes but only got 112597240 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:87] (enumerate_vector)
2012-May-22 14:44:15.958 INFO core found 0 dwarves out of 0 creatures [src/dfinstance.cpp:440] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 14:44:15.959 WARNING core not connected [src/dfinstance.cpp:497] (load_squads)
2012-May-22 14:44:15.963 WARNING core lost connection to DF [src/mainwindow.cpp:335] (lost_df_connection)
I now got this:Code: [Select]2012-May-22 17:23:07.131 DEBUG core current year: 100 [src/dfinstance.cpp:396] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 17:23:07.744 INFO core found 0 dwarves out of 61 creatures [src/dfinstance.cpp:440] (load_dwarves)
2012-May-22 17:23:07.744 DEBUG core loading squads from "0x096b7cc0" "0x096b7cc0" (UNCORRECTED) [src/dfinstance.cpp:520] (load_squads)
2012-May-22 17:23:07.758 INFO core Found 1 squads out of 1 [src/dfinstance.cpp:545] (load_squads)
2012-May-22 17:23:07.763 WARNING core lost connection to DF [src/mainwindow.cpp:335] (lost_df_connection)
So, it's a little better but still throwing the "Unable to talk to DF" dialog. I played around with the scan memory tool, getting the same results. Still can't find the creature vector, and trying to find the squad vector crashes DT. Here's the long crash report if needed:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
add these offsets in the [dwarf_offsets] section in your layout file (34.10):
civ=0x00b8
mood=0x01a0
caste=0x0a4
Post by: uggi on May 22, 2012, 09:47:02 am
add these offsets in the [dwarf_offsets] section in your layout file (34.10):
civ=0x00b8
mood=0x01a0
caste=0x0a4
Lo and behold, it works now! Thanks for all the help!
Post by: splinterz on May 22, 2012, 10:28:29 am
- fixed labor column sorting when there are no related roles
- added swimmer skill column to military default view
- applied ag's linux patch for nicknames and performance issues for linux
- fixed a bug with modded games (masterwork) showing tame animals as hostile
- added missing linux offsets to layout files
- fixed a bug on linux regarding the active vs full unit list offsets (they now have their own separate offsets)
- added missing roles (bowyer, cheesemaker, etc..) there are still some that are unknown: Shearer, Spinner, Presser, Beekeeper, Potter, Glazer, Wax worker (wiki)
- included the fix for conflicting labors (hunting/mining/woodcutting)
Project Home // Download! (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: iXen on May 22, 2012, 12:07:27 pm
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[info]
checksum=0x633f1fd3
version_name=v0.34.10
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01634a88
language_vector=0x01634a70
creature_vector=0x0
dwarf_race_index=0x0
squad_vector=0x0
current_year=0x01f5030c
...and so on...
Post by: Durian Hohlades on May 22, 2012, 01:59:39 pm
Post by: khearn on May 22, 2012, 03:20:36 pm
Post by: thistleknot on May 22, 2012, 11:09:51 pm
It has a "attention variable" a "priority variable", just no quality/speed weighted variable.
huh, go figure.
I'm still pushing for an implementation into DT though. I worked on a spreadsheet that does what I need, and even typed up a dfhack plugin to export some attributes/traits properly.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?o5rvjg74aq714lx
I'm including all updates to this concept on dwarf organizers thread
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=105530.msg3308534#msg3308534
Here's a sheet that can be used with Splinterz version of dwarf therapist
http://www.mediafire.com/?k8lx43i9rk768c3
Update:
If anyone's interested, I took my latest sheet, changed it up to include ALL labors. It does a great job of creating a sorted drop down list, that you merely go through, and assign dwarf's to roles based on the drop down, until they are "filled" up attention wise.
Such a process would have to be redone from scratch every (so few) migrant wave(s) for optimization, as well as adjusting the variables on the 2nd sheet (but no need to add new labors).
What's nice is if you don't assign certain labor values, they are pushed down to the bottom of the list (in essence, excluding them from the dropdown), so it's tailorable to only include the labors you care about (i.e. the one's you set variables on)., when you care about new labors, they appear in the drop down.
I'm at work, so I can't upload until tonight, but I think it's a great add on for DT.
Update again:
Here it is super charged (all labors) <- see the f7 cell for instructions on how to copy stuff
http://www.mediafire.com/?8c3twchdb0bqgbe
I think though, that priority is not needed. Before I thought about basing it on attention (like Antalia does)...
but, what if it's a job that is not that important. Like a low priority. I mean... what if making armor is more important than plant gathering? What if armoring is less important than woodcutting (cuz it takes wood to make fuel?). I don't know, that's why I had it, but I still think a quality/speed variable is important to adjust it by to sort the jobs to be assigned first. If it takes a non skilled dwarf to do it, then best assign it last.F
Post by: ivanthe8th on May 23, 2012, 12:34:19 pm
Would someone who knows please post what's necessary to update DT for Macs for the newest release?
Thank you.
Post by: DwarfEngineer on May 23, 2012, 04:46:08 pm
Layouts are posted for all 3 operating systems and should download automatically.
Note, this is for vanilla Dwarf Therapist only, see post above for splinterz' release.
Direct Download Links:
- Windows (Graphics) v0.34.10 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.10_graphics.ini)
- Windows (Legacy) v0.34.10 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.10_legacy.ini)
- Linux v0.34.10 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/linux/v0.34.10.ini)
- Mac OSX v0.34.10 (http://www.dwarftherapist.com/memory_layouts/osx/v0.34.10.ini)
Post by: Isher on May 23, 2012, 05:16:36 pm
Post by: ivanthe8th on May 23, 2012, 05:23:39 pm
Post by: iXen on May 24, 2012, 03:59:01 am
Post by: quandasim on May 24, 2012, 06:19:54 am
Post by: vrga on May 24, 2012, 09:10:24 am
also, how do i disable that ptrace limitation so i dont have to run DT as root?
Post by: DwarfEngineer on May 24, 2012, 09:16:30 am
okay, since i'm apparently retarded, how do i install splinterz version after compiling on linux? make install makes some noise about not being able to copy readme and copyright and stops there.Not sure that splinterz version has all the offsets you will need for linux, but you should be able to get it running by creating the directory structure described here (https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist). (Basically it's a manual install step, make install doesn't have the instructions to do it)
also, how do i disable that ptrace limitation so i dont have to run DT as root?
As far as ptrace goes, this (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardening#ptrace%20Protection) article covers it, but in summary:
Either do this (as root):
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$ echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope…or make it permanent by setting ptrace_scope to 0 in /etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf
Post by: vrga on May 24, 2012, 09:21:00 am
Thank you so very much :)okay, since i'm apparently retarded, how do i install splinterz version after compiling on linux? make install makes some noise about not being able to copy readme and copyright and stops there.Not sure that splinterz version has all the offsets you will need for linux, but you should be able to get it running by creating the directory structure described here (https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist). (Basically it's a manual install step, make install doesn't have the instructions to do it)
also, how do i disable that ptrace limitation so i dont have to run DT as root?
As far as ptrace goes, this (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardening#ptrace%20Protection) article covers it, but in summary:
Either do this (as root):Code: [Select]$ echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope…or make it permanent by setting ptrace_scope to 0 in /etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf
Post by: walberg on May 24, 2012, 12:08:17 pm
okay, since i'm apparently retarded, how do i install splinterz version after compiling on linux? make install makes some noise about not being able to copy readme and copyright and stops there.
also, how do i disable that ptrace limitation so i dont have to run DT as root?
To install, I usually just:
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touch README COPYRIGHT; make INSTALL_ROOT=<wherever> installThe README and COPYRIGHT files are an artifact of qmake's idea of a "standard installation", which neither splinterz fork nor the "official" DT really adhere to.
Post by: rynait on May 24, 2012, 03:31:20 pm
have not found your stand alone forum here. However I would like to know where the customized role (created by adding new role in your version of DT) is saved in?
I wanted to reuse it with your newest update, rather than re-select information again.
R
Post by: splinterz on May 24, 2012, 03:44:13 pm
Splinterz
have not found your stand alone forum here. However I would like to know where the customized role (created by adding new role in your version of DT) is saved in?
I wanted to reuse it with your newest update, rather than re-select information again.
R
custom roles are saved in the dwarf therapist.ini file. if you download the latest update, you won't lose any custom roles you've already created.
Post by: rynait on May 24, 2012, 03:47:31 pm
I looked in the created folder "dwarf therapist" that contains your version, and did not find the dwarf therapist.ini
Is this file saved elsewhere?
R
Post by: splinterz on May 24, 2012, 05:28:54 pm
splinterz
I looked in the created folder "dwarf therapist" that contains your version, and did not find the dwarf therapist.ini
Is this file saved elsewhere?
R
%appdata%\UDP Software\Dwarf Therapist.ini
Post by: rynait on May 24, 2012, 08:00:51 pm
R
Post by: vrga on May 25, 2012, 07:06:15 am
well, it works so far, with the occasional segfault when i click on a box to tick a job enabled or not, or if i manage to click between two blocks sometimes.okay, since i'm apparently retarded, how do i install splinterz version after compiling on linux? make install makes some noise about not being able to copy readme and copyright and stops there.Not sure that splinterz version has all the offsets you will need for linux, but you should be able to get it running by creating the directory structure described here (https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist). (Basically it's a manual install step, make install doesn't have the instructions to do it)
also, how do i disable that ptrace limitation so i dont have to run DT as root?
Post by: thistleknot on May 25, 2012, 08:45:57 am
I'm also talking with Antalia about it. I hope that she can do the project better than myself. We've started a discussion on the Dwarf ORganizer thread.
Anyway's, here's my latest iteration of spreadsheet magic that can be used to currently assign dwarf's to roles, it's got a lot of developer notes in there. I was hoping to use it as a template to make my own C Sharp version of Dwarf Organizer, but I don't see any point in stealing thunder from Antalia, especially since her's is pretty cool and she's already thought about all the ideas I did. :'(
http://www.mediafire.com/?749ntki9c2cx882
Post by: Tirion on May 25, 2012, 12:19:43 pm
Post by: N35t0r on May 25, 2012, 02:05:36 pm
Post by: King Mir on May 25, 2012, 04:16:29 pm
Post by: thistleknot on May 25, 2012, 09:08:44 pm
a few others I can recall
ambusher
clothier
plant gatherer
cheese maker
there was a few more (if you took the patch file I sent you from shish, and made a version of DT based on it, you'd see the labor roles missing stat's)
I made a few custom roles that you might find useful, but... I don't think they should be default labor's
nurse (combination of all the nurse labors, they are all almost similar, but using my SPREADSHEET analysis, I found only one used strength, where the rest didn't so I truncated it.)
hauler (doing jobs that don't have related aspects) I gave all equal weight, but gave that all the "junk" work that doesn't require speed/quality.
Seriously, DT continues to improve itself thanks to your contributions.
The way I see it, you got an Executive Cabinet. You being the Executive, you have a cabinet. You have a % of contributor's for ideas to develop this shit.
The community is a major contributor.
Shish' as well
I like to think of myself as one (even tho my deviation from mean didn't work out, but it was a learning process).
I hope with this labor organizer, we can make DT that much more awesome.
Right now, (with my spreadsheet ANALYSIS on my Labor Organizer), military contributions makes things a bit difficult. With what I got , chaos would ensue if war would happen. I have a way to check for that, just include military labor, or assume a certain % of the labor force is committed to the military. It's preliminary, but I'll get it, as I always do.
Continuous learning...
Post by: Intrinsic on May 26, 2012, 02:37:13 am
ta
Post by: splinterz on May 26, 2012, 03:53:26 am
@Intrinsic: i'll see what i can do about grouping castes or races with the child/baby in separate groups. for the sorting i'm not sure it was ever sorting on age, looks like it defaulted to id number? but i'll check it out
Post by: Intrinsic on May 26, 2012, 04:07:11 am
Post by: splinterz on May 26, 2012, 04:32:23 am
Heya thanks. I forgot to say in the v9 version under 34.07 it listed for example Cat, and then in the next collapsable section Cat Child(or Children), and i guess if it was by ID then an animals ID was incremented each time one was born so essentially it's age :) i had over 330 animals at one point lol so had to do a massive cull, makes it a lot easier :) and my stock of 8k+ turkey eggs was a bit overkill ;p
yeah that's a lot of eggs :P.... try right clicking on the header of the name column and sorting it by the id numbers, that should give you the same sort order.
as for the child/baby splitting, it's easy to do, just a matter of which grouping we should put it on. caste? race? profession? at the moment i've got it so if grouped by caste, it uses the specific caste names: cat, kitten, dog, puppy... if you sort by race, it will group by: cat, cat (kitten), dog, dog (puppy) so that it keeps the races together when it sorts the groups alphabetically. if that doesn't make sense let me know and i'll put up some screenshots.
Post by: Intrinsic on May 26, 2012, 04:37:40 am
Post by: thistleknot on May 26, 2012, 06:29:14 am
I just assigned all my dwarf's to individual labors (in the spreadsheet) in the hopes that no one is over assigned.
I'm going to try my hand at coding up the algorithm for use in DT.
If anyone's interested, you guys can "optimize" your fort using this spreadsheet and a version of DT Shish coded up that allows exporting of grid views to CSV's (which is needed for the spreadsheet)
Old update history
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I added a Dwarf Therapist Grid Layout so assigning labors is easier to do by hand
http://www.mediafire.com/?6znle279i4voxjs
See pic here
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
shish's csv dt based on splinterz 11.1
http://www.mediafire.com/?v02nwj1arncnpxn
Unfortunately, you need office 2010 (sorry guys).
It may work without office 2010, but there is a vbs script to sort.
I removed the google link because it's too much hassle without the sort script.
Post by: Intrinsic on May 26, 2012, 10:23:23 am
Post by: splinterz on May 26, 2012, 10:48:38 am
Hi splinterz, i think that the reason why animals aren't grouping is that from the drop-down dox "Race" isn't sorting them as it didn't previously for dwarves, ie it used to group them as Dwaves, Children, Babies.
the races and castes were recently overhauled, so it's actually grouping properly now on the race name. but as you pointed out this is something of a loss of functionality in easily distinguishing between the adults/children/babies as they're all in a single group. i'll have this fixed up in the next update.
Post by: xJack on May 26, 2012, 06:39:54 pm
Post by: bitesh on May 26, 2012, 06:42:42 pm
Post by: Somnus on May 26, 2012, 09:20:19 pm
Post by: Tirion on May 27, 2012, 01:40:32 am
So, how can I get my Dwarf Therapist, downloaded from the first link on the first page, to read caste and attributes? Also, how to do that update thing, it still reads Bring Crutch instead of (probably) wheelbarrow.
Bump for lack of answers.
Post by: thistleknot on May 27, 2012, 11:45:06 am
hehe, but I was working on the sheet some more.
It works better now. I had an issue where I'd end up with like 26-32 hauler's when my target rate was 8.
I fixed it by ensuring the proportion of dwarve's matches the proportion of labor's assigned.
Took me a whole night to figure out.
I also had to set a targetAtt level on the variable's sheet. Should be set to .75, I set it to .85 cuz I'm a greedy bastard and now I have less than optimal hauler's, but everything else is going ok.
Anyways... It's ready for you guys if you want to mess with it some more.
Update
I added a much needed "Actual Coverage" sheet that shows the real coverage of labors by dwarve's. It's a cross sheet of dwarf's labor/# of labor's, summed up for each labor. To give you an idea of how many dwarve's are essentially assigned to each labor.
http://www.mediafire.com/?b2s6m97r8rcehxh
It takes about 45 minutes to go through the entire process of setting, and then setting inside DT the layout that the sheet comes up with.
Some tips to make it go quicker, use the sort function on the grid sheet to sort large grouping of near 1 attention last. Then you can mass assign them at the end.
Post by: Shishimaru on May 27, 2012, 12:55:50 pm
you have to download the Splinterz version from here http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/ (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)So, how can I get my Dwarf Therapist, downloaded from the first link on the first page, to read caste and attributes? Also, how to do that update thing, it still reads Bring Crutch instead of (probably) wheelbarrow.
Bump for lack of answers.
Post by: Tirion on May 27, 2012, 02:40:19 pm
Post by: thistleknot on May 27, 2012, 08:43:50 pm
A list of %'s for each role listed in the spreadsheet once they are assigned, I created a Percents tab...
I sure wish there was a way to straight export this stuff to a portable executable program...
http://www.mediafire.com/?h0wo8c77cpcm6sb
I was able to use the tool to assign specifically 10 military dwarve's, archer's, and still have good %'s for ratings for the rest of my dwarves.
It requires Shish's update to Splinters 11.2 to export grid views too.
AND OFFICE 2010 (sorry, I don't know or care to implement functions into openoffice, if someone else does, please post).
http://www.mediafire.com/?v02nwj1arncnpxn
I need to find some time to start coding it rather than adding fluff...
Post by: splinterz on May 28, 2012, 11:07:43 am
- renamed traits to match the wiki/token names
- fixed a few job names
- castes, races and reactions loading optimized
- dwarfs can be assigned/removed from squads via right-click menu. you can assign/remove multiple dwarfs at once. this is done immediately and if grouping by squad the view will be refreshed automatically. only squads with positions available are shown. there may be some invalid squads, i haven't sorted out a way to filter them yet.
- squads can be renamed by right-clicking on the squad name (when grouping by squad)
- when grouping by squad, squads are sorted by position, captains are italicized and prefixed with *
- vampires now show their fake names/ages to match DF
- nicknames are now set properly and won't disappear after notable kills
- animals can be grouped on caste
- grouping animals on race groups by the race name, then child/baby name: dog (puppy)
- grouping on migration wave will properly hide child/baby groups according to options
- fixed improperly drawn sort arrow on first column for linux
- fixed nicknames applying even after clicking cancel
- added some additional flags to filter out dwarfs (courtesy of ag, i haven't tested them)
i haven't had time to do massive testing, but that's what all these
Project Home // DOWNLOAD (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 28, 2012, 01:57:17 pm
new version:
- renamed traits to match the wiki/token names
- fixed a few job names
- castes, races and reactions loading optimized
- dwarfs can be assigned/removed from squads via right-click menu. you can assign/remove multiple dwarfs at once. this is done immediately and if grouping by squad the view will be refreshed automatically. only squads with positions available are shown. there may be some invalid squads, i haven't sorted out a way to filter them yet.
- squads can be renamed by right-clicking on the squad name (when grouping by squad)
- when grouping by squad, squads are sorted by position, captains are italicized and prefixed with *
- vampires now show their fake names/ages to match DF
- nicknames are now set properly and won't disappear after notable kills
- animals can be grouped on caste
- grouping animals on race groups by the race name, then child/baby name: dog (puppy)
- grouping on migration wave will properly hide child/baby groups according to options
- fixed improperly drawn sort arrow on first column for linux
- fixed nicknames applying even after clicking cancel
- added some additional flags to filter out dwarfs (courtesy of ag, i haven't tested them)
i haven't had time to do massive testing, but that's what all thesebeta testerscommunity members are for right? ;D
Project Home // DOWNLOAD (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
I love the ability to draft dwarves into squads. It was such huge pain in the ass to find a good candidate in the Dwarf Therapist roles, then scroll through 200 dwarfs to find their name in the list. Thanks so much.
Post by: DuineAnaithnid on May 28, 2012, 08:16:58 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on May 29, 2012, 02:31:55 am
- dwarfs can be assigned/removed from squads via right-click menu. you can assign/remove multiple dwarfs at once. this is done immediately and if grouping by squad the view will be refreshed automatically. only squads with positions available are shown. there may be some invalid squads, i haven't sorted out a way to filter them yet.
- squads can be renamed by right-clicking on the squad name (when grouping by squad)
- when grouping by squad, squads are sorted by position, captains are italicized and prefixed with *
OH...MY...GOOOSE! i love yoU!
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- vampires now show their fake names/ages to match DF
For this too!
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- nicknames are now set properly and won't disappear after notable kills
DT was causing this? O.o i stopped even bothering to rename them as they always lost them so thought it was a DF problem.
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- animals can be grouped on caste
- grouping animals on race groups by the race name, then child/baby name: dog (puppy)
- grouping on migration wave will properly hide child/baby groups according to options
Thanks! :D
What a brilliant update, now to download and try it :)
Post by: SalmonGod on May 29, 2012, 03:21:18 am
Post by: DrKillPatient on May 29, 2012, 03:34:13 am
Any chance of getting .deb files for Ubuntu 12.04?
I've recently compiled DT manually* on Debian-- it's very quick (EDIT: and easy), perhaps 5 minutes at the most. You may want to try that first, unless you really need a .deb for some reason.
*Tutorial here (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist), with a specific entry for Ubuntu (10.04, but the process should be the same for 12.04). If you choose to do so, feel free to message me for any necessary assistance.
Post by: vrga on May 29, 2012, 06:33:29 am
i'll post a run.log next time it does that.
Post by: Intrinsic on May 29, 2012, 07:04:10 am
am i the only person who's getting crashes with DT after its been open for a time? i have them happening on windows as well as linux, and they most often manifest when i leave DT for a while and go build in DF, then come back and go to reassign some jobs by just clicking at the boxes, then it just dies.
i'll post a run.log next time it does that.
Sounds very familiar, i think i posted about this a few months back but it was fixed. Maybe it's re-appeared?
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 29, 2012, 10:40:28 am
Post by: vrga on May 29, 2012, 11:01:46 am
If you have DT open and connected to dwarf fortress then save your current game and then quickly continue from the main menu. You will be back in-game before DT knows you it is disconnected, if you try to commit any changes, then DT crashes.my crash has nothing to do with it. besides, thats avoided by not being braindead :p
Post by: DuineAnaithnid on May 29, 2012, 11:35:52 am
Any chance of getting .deb files for Ubuntu 12.04?
I've recently compiled DT manually* on Debian-- it's very quick (EDIT: and easy), perhaps 5 minutes at the most. You may want to try that first, unless you really need a .deb for some reason.
*Tutorial here (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist), with a specific entry for Ubuntu (10.04, but the process should be the same for 12.04). If you choose to do so, feel free to message me for any necessary assistance.
Ah, thanks, I guess I missed where I could download the source, I only saw the .deb files
Post by: Jon-Ace on May 29, 2012, 12:35:10 pm
new version:
- renamed traits to match the wiki/token names
- fixed a few job names
- castes, races and reactions loading optimized
- dwarfs can be assigned/removed from squads via right-click menu. you can assign/remove multiple dwarfs at once. this is done immediately and if grouping by squad the view will be refreshed automatically. only squads with positions available are shown. there may be some invalid squads, i haven't sorted out a way to filter them yet.
- squads can be renamed by right-clicking on the squad name (when grouping by squad)
- when grouping by squad, squads are sorted by position, captains are italicized and prefixed with *
- vampires now show their fake names/ages to match DF
- nicknames are now set properly and won't disappear after notable kills
- animals can be grouped on caste
- grouping animals on race groups by the race name, then child/baby name: dog (puppy)
- grouping on migration wave will properly hide child/baby groups according to options
- fixed improperly drawn sort arrow on first column for linux
- fixed nicknames applying even after clicking cancel
- added some additional flags to filter out dwarfs (courtesy of ag, i haven't tested them)
i haven't had time to do massive testing, but that's what all thesebeta testerscommunity members are for right? ;D
Project Home // DOWNLOAD (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
I shall make a tower in my current fort in your name for such a glorious change log.
Post by: Tierre on May 30, 2012, 03:42:21 am
Thanks for your work.
Post by: Rose on May 30, 2012, 04:41:46 am
DFhack does, though.
Post by: Tierre on May 30, 2012, 04:50:11 am
Post by: splinterz on May 30, 2012, 08:39:39 am
@Tierre: i'd like to show the noble positions, but as Japa has pointed out, it may be tricky to find them. i'll have to dig through dfhack's offsets and see if i can figure out how/where they're using them
Post by: ab9rf on May 30, 2012, 08:45:52 am
thanks for all the support! :)Autolabor applies an assignment penalty based on responsibilities, which are derived from nobles, and has special cases for the CMD and broker. See https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/plugins/autolabor.cpp, lines 779 to 807.
@Tierre: i'd like to show the noble positions, but as Japa has pointed out, it may be tricky to find them. i'll have to dig through dfhack's offsets and see if i can figure out how/where they're using them
Post by: Jon-Ace on May 30, 2012, 07:16:33 pm
Started a new fort and upon going to squads, I see garbage left over from my last fort. Namely the squad names I used:
(http://i.imgur.com/DnYxf.png)
Upon unpausing after looking at this issue, two of my dwarfs randomly turned into recruits. I didn't even go into the military screen in DF yet!
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 30, 2012, 09:06:39 pm
Can we have a list of happy and bad thoughts listed in a good and bad categories with a number that shows how strong of an effect that thought has? It could be hidden in a right click menu like you did with the squad assignments.
Post by: Grax on May 31, 2012, 12:21:52 am
Upon unpausing after looking at this issue, two of my dwarfs randomly turned into recruits. I didn't even go into the military screen in DF yet!In Soviet Russia you become a recruit upon your birth.
Post by: ag on May 31, 2012, 01:13:56 am
- dwarfs can be assigned/removed from squads via right-click menu. you can assign/remove multiple dwarfs at once. this is done immediately and if grouping by squad the view will be refreshed automatically. only squads with positions available are shown. there may be some invalid squads, i haven't sorted out a way to filter them yet.
To find which squads actually belong to the current fortress, you need to use ui->main.fortress_entity->squads (contains ids). The same fortress_entity thing also contains noble positions and assignments, but they are more complicated to understand.
Also, you may want to disable changing the squad commander, because that entails appointment as the commander/captain, and DT can't do that, since it involves creating objects - although just simply opening the military screen in-game fixes any mismatch automatically.
Post by: MaxxK on May 31, 2012, 01:28:48 am
If anyone can correct me, it would be great:
Spoiler: addresses with help of mainstream 0.34.10.ini (click to show/hide)
- Is it ok that cur_year_tick here is 8 bytes next to the current_year? There is another offset with cur_year_tick, but it's about few megabytes from main data area.
- Is there any markers to find last four offsets?
- How can inactive_squad_vector (and, if possible, all the others) be verified?
And is it normal that DT crashes and hangs DF when I'm trying to read dwarves? It looks like creature_vector and active_creature_vector have the same lengths in Windows and Mac versions for the same save. Log:
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Post by: splinterz on May 31, 2012, 04:56:54 am
- dwarfs can be assigned/removed from squads via right-click menu. you can assign/remove multiple dwarfs at once. this is done immediately and if grouping by squad the view will be refreshed automatically. only squads with positions available are shown. there may be some invalid squads, i haven't sorted out a way to filter them yet.
To find which squads actually belong to the current fortress, you need to use ui->main.fortress_entity->squads (contains ids). The same fortress_entity thing also contains noble positions and assignments, but they are more complicated to understand.
Also, you may want to disable changing the squad commander, because that entails appointment as the commander/captain, and DT can't do that, since it involves creating objects - although just simply opening the military screen in-game fixes any mismatch automatically.
ah i see. at first i tried comparing them with the 'bad squads' vector but that wasn't working consistently. yeah i was actually surprised to see that changing the commander seemed to work. originally i intended not to assign them, but after trying it out i thought it might be alright. do you think it'll potentially cause problems?
i've taken a look at the autolabor script link posted before for the nobles, but i've been getting hung up on how to read the assignment_id for a histfig_entity_link_positionst.
anyway thanks for all the help.
Post by: ag on May 31, 2012, 05:24:28 am
ah i see. at first i tried comparing them with the 'bad squads' vector but that wasn't working consistently. i didn't even try the ui vector as i saw the note about it only being valid when the ui was displayed. thanks for the help.
Don't ever look at those 'bad' vectors: they are 'bad' because they are serialization/deserialization temporaries and basically contain garbage once anything changes. Can even contain dangling pointers if/when some objects get deleted.
Re ui: that's a different vector altogether. I pointed you at the vector inside the fortress entity (object of the same general kind as civilization).
yeah i was actually surprised to see that changing the commander seemed to work. originally i intended not to assign them, but after trying it out i thought it might be alright. do you think it'll potentially cause problems?
It can be surprising. Maybe it should warn that you should open the military screen in-game and look at the squad to finalize changes if you change the commander.
i've taken a look at the autolabor script link posted before, but i've been getting hung up on how to read the assignment_id for a histfig_entity_link_positionst.
hm?
Post by: splinterz on May 31, 2012, 05:31:35 am
ah i see. at first i tried comparing them with the 'bad squads' vector but that wasn't working consistently. i didn't even try the ui vector as i saw the note about it only being valid when the ui was displayed. thanks for the help.
Don't ever look at those 'bad' vectors: they are 'bad' because they are serialization/deserialization temporaries and basically contain garbage once anything changes. Can even contain dangling pointers if/when some objects get deleted.
Re ui: that's a different vector altogether. I pointed you at the vector inside the fortress entity (object of the same general kind as civilization).yeah i was actually surprised to see that changing the commander seemed to work. originally i intended not to assign them, but after trying it out i thought it might be alright. do you think it'll potentially cause problems?
It can be surprising. Maybe it should warn that you should open the military screen in-game and look at the squad to finalize changes if you change the commander.i've taken a look at the autolabor script link posted before, but i've been getting hung up on how to read the assignment_id for a histfig_entity_link_positionst.
hm?
haha i was just editing my post as i realized the mistake about the squad vector. for the nobles i was assuming i'd have to walk through similar to this (https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/plugins/autolabor.cpp#L779)
Post by: ag on May 31, 2012, 05:50:51 am
for the nobles i was assuming i'd have to walk through similar to this (https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/plugins/autolabor.cpp#L779)
The game does it that way, yes; that's because it has to be able to deal with foreign nobles, e.g. diplomats and similar. If you are only interested in local ones, you can directly use fortress_entity->positions.own and fortress_entity->positions.assignments.
Edit: also, see here: https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/library/modules/Units.cpp#L710 (https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/library/modules/Units.cpp#L710). That autolabor code was copy&pasted from here.
Post by: splinterz on May 31, 2012, 09:57:19 am
for the nobles i was assuming i'd have to walk through similar to this (https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/plugins/autolabor.cpp#L779)
The game does it that way, yes; that's because it has to be able to deal with foreign nobles, e.g. diplomats and similar. If you are only interested in local ones, you can directly use fortress_entity->positions.own and fortress_entity->positions.assignments.
Edit: also, see here: https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/library/modules/Units.cpp#L710 (https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/library/modules/Units.cpp#L710). That autolabor code was copy&pasted from here.
to indicate which dwarfs are nobles that should work perfectly! thanks again.
Post by: orius on June 01, 2012, 09:11:13 am
(http://i.imgur.com/CBanE.png)
The labor group cells are being highlighted with a deep blue color and a dark navy when some but not all dwarves in the group have a particular labor turned on. I checked vanilla Therapist, but it's not happening there. I also switched my settings back to the defaults in case it was the result of some option I switched on unaware, but that didn't fix the problem. Anyway, the blue colors are making it difficult to see if labors are tunred on when I highlight a group.
Post by: splinterz on June 01, 2012, 09:59:36 am
Post by: orius on June 02, 2012, 08:19:41 am
Post by: LuRockz on June 02, 2012, 05:03:54 pm
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I downloaded the latest version of DT and DF and tried connecting, this is what I got.
Post by: MaxxK on June 03, 2012, 02:54:34 am
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwEa50ni6h2NUmFuZE9IcVoxNzg
Use with caution, I didn't have any time to play and check :) I've switched autoupdate off.
And this is ini-file for 34.10 OS X, if anyone wants to merge and compile DT on his own (based on linux version):
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Post by: Purple_Drink on June 03, 2012, 07:14:17 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I downloaded the latest version of DT and DF and tried connecting, this is what I got.
I had the same problem. i downloaded the ini files on the link below into C:\DwarfTherapist-0.6.12/etc/memory_layouts/windows
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.2055 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.2055)
hope that helps.
Post by: Nkosi_SW on June 04, 2012, 12:18:18 pm
There is one thing in DT that drives me crazy though - the way the main grid scrolls back to the top when you change tabs. Once a fort gets to 200+ dwarves, it seems I spend half my time in DT scrolling back down to the dwarf I want when I change tabs, commit pending changes or read dwarves.
I presume this is an automatic behavior of the grid UI element when it is refreshed, but would it be possible in code to record your viewing position in the list and then force the grid back to that position after it refreshes?
This would save me and I'm sure many others so much time and annoyance, not to mention wear and tear on our mouse wheels. :)
Post by: Bohandas on June 04, 2012, 07:21:57 pm
That said, would it be at all possible for you to add the ability have it read dwarves' attributes in addition to their skill levels and personality traits?
Post by: slink on June 04, 2012, 10:07:04 pm
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Post by: leafbarrett on June 05, 2012, 12:25:21 am
This layout appears to work with DF 34.11, for the DwarfEngineer version of DT under Windows. Name it v0.34.11_graphics.iniUhh... do what with what? I'd like to know, because as is, I can't use DT anymore. Does it work for vanilla DT, or do I have to go hunting through the topic for a specific thing? (I already tried the search function, it didn't work, so don't even go there)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Anathema on June 05, 2012, 02:43:13 am
Uhh... do what with what? I'd like to know, because as is, I can't use DT anymore. Does it work for vanilla DT, or do I have to go hunting through the topic for a specific thing? (I already tried the search function, it didn't work, so don't even go there)
It's actually very easy, although the instructions on how to do so (probably repeated a few dozen times) are buried deep within this thread, somewhere between cavern layer 3 and the magma sea. Which is why I upload a complete working version, as seen above, as a stopgap until DwarfEngineer gets the autoupdate.. well, updated.
So feel free to use the link above, but just for your enlightenment, here's how it's done:
-Download the old Dwarf Therapist from page 1
-Navigate to DwarfTherapist-0.6.12\etc\memory_layouts\windows (assuming you're using windows, of course, you'll have to ask someone else about Mac or Linux)
-Copy/paste one of the old .ini and rename it to "v0.34.11_graphics.ini" or whatever the latest version is
-Open it with a text editor and replace the code in there with that stuff Slink posted (someone, often Slink, will post this shortly after any DF update)
-Save.
Naturally these instructions - like all the ones before them - will quickly be lost to the mists of time, so you may look forward to me keeping that listing on DFFD updated. If I miss an update just comment on DFFD or PM me here to nudge me - or do it yourself, now that you are among the enlightened :P
Post by: yamamushi on June 05, 2012, 07:30:13 am
Post by: leafbarrett on June 05, 2012, 09:51:08 am
Maybe the OP should add that to the first post?
Post by: LordBaal on June 05, 2012, 11:04:00 am
Post by: khearn on June 05, 2012, 11:16:46 am
Post by: Socializator on June 05, 2012, 11:50:13 am
You can manage squads in splinterz branched version, but that hasn't made it back to the official version yet.
Does anyone have working ini for it? Posted one doesnt work for it - I guess it is for DT only
Post by: Argelle on June 05, 2012, 11:58:12 am
I've uploaded Dwarf Therapist for 34.11 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6064&posted=true#c_510) to DFFD using the .ini file provided by Slink, for the good of all.
Hello there :)
Any chance a tweak will make this work for the splintermind (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/) version? I did add this v0.34.11_graphics.ini file with your text,
Is this something I can fine easely, waiting to splinter for an update?
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checksum=0x4fcc9488
version_name=v0.34.11 (graphics)
complete=true
Post by: Shishimaru on June 05, 2012, 12:16:03 pm
Windows layout
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linux layout
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Post by: Argelle on June 05, 2012, 01:27:16 pm
These should work with the splinterz version (I haven't tested the linux version)
Windows layout
You're a bless you know?
I was scratching my head to find a bloody mechanist in the loooong list of dwarves, and here you come with this solution for splinter's therapist! Thanks a lot :)
Post by: ivanthe8th on June 05, 2012, 04:16:02 pm
Any chance someone has the layouts for 34.11 on OSX?I've found we need to wait on DwarfEngineer for osx layouts. Wonderful people like Slink seem to work primarily on windows machines.
Many thanks to all those involved!
Post by: MaximumZero on June 05, 2012, 07:15:40 pm
Post by: thistleknot on June 05, 2012, 11:09:34 pm
Really, just doing a console version (at the moment) thanks to a patch file Shishimaru gave me, I'm able to csv export Role %'s.
I've got the prototype to load up all my objects just right, initialized just right. Now time to work on the algorithm (sweet).
I hope to figure out how to import a csv of dwarf and respective labors to auto'magically' assign the labors...
and then slowly but surely work with Splinterz to get it implemented into DT.
Post by: DwarvesAtWork on June 06, 2012, 11:39:10 pm
I was hoping to get some help with Linux. I'm a Windows professional, but a Linux newbie. I cannot get it to install on Linux Mint 12. I've followed the install instructions here using Oneiric:
http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/LinuxVersion
I do sudo apt-get update. And then I go to the software manager to install it. Dwarftherapist is listed. Then I click the install button, the system prompts for password and the install appears to start. But it never finishes.
I've restarted and tried the Lucid repository line. But it just won't install.
I had dwarf therapist installed previously for version 31.25. But I removed that version so I could install the latest for 34.10.
Any pointers would be appreciated.
Post by: khearn on June 07, 2012, 12:17:14 am
Post by: splinterz on June 07, 2012, 06:55:04 am
v13 34.07-34.11
- new current job icons (work in progress, feedback very welcome)
- the tabs/views will remember their sort and scroll positions (tab/view specific)
- nobles are italicized and marked with the ☼ symbol
- nobles can also be highlighted with user defined colors configurable in the options
- added icons for happiness (enabled/disabled in the options)
- only active squads are shown in the list when assigning/removing
- added gradients to many of the backgrounds
- the column header's font on the grids now uses the font specified in the options for the grid (this may need it's own option, i'll wait for feedback)
- cell padding works properly now and icons are centered instead of stretched
- bug fixes and more (see project home page for full patch notes)
Project Home // Download (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: DwarvesAtWork on June 07, 2012, 07:32:19 am
I've always had problems getting the linux package to install. So I just download the sources and compile. It's a very easy build, once you get the prerequisites installed (but don't ask me what they are, I've forgotten). Just 'qmake' then 'make'.Thanks. I've tried some of that too. Qmake seems to work fine, but Make gives me an error 127.
Going off the Dwarf Therapist google code wiki pages, I've installed all the dependencies listed. But I still get error 127 on Make.
Post by: toasteur on June 07, 2012, 07:48:02 am
i've finished up another version for you ladies and gentlemen:
v13 34.07-34.11
- the tabs/views will remember their sort and scroll positions (tab/view specific)
very nice, it was quite annoying when going back and forth between the job tab and the role tab to re-sort each time.
seing all these new awesome features, i was wondering if at some point dwarfs preferences could be brought to DT since i think it's now the only missing piece of information when deciding to assign jobs to dwarfs (an armorsmith/weaponsmith who likes adamantium/steel gives non-negligible bonus to the final product for example) i couldn't see objects to preferences in dfhack, some it may be hard to add if nobody knows where to look in memory for theses.
Post by: walberg on June 07, 2012, 08:04:03 am
i've finished up another version for you ladies and gentlemen:
v13 34.07-34.11
@splinterz - Something not quite right in the new version. Haven't had a chance to track it down yet, but my Linux build (debian 5.0.8, Qt 4.6.3 - I know, it's a little behind on updates), it goes through the process of loading dwarves, squads, etc with the expected progress bar display, but then hangs before it actually draws the grid. Not sure if that suggests an obvious place to look - I'll try to get a little more info later if necessary. Same results with DF 0.34.07 and 0.34.11 - didn't try all the intermediates...
Edit: had a closer look, and it seems it wasn't actually hanging - it just took that much longer to calculate everything, and it didn't help that I was testing on my slow-ish laptop instead of my main machine. Seems to work ok on this system, aside from other niggly bits already mentioned by other folk.
Post by: caddybear on June 07, 2012, 08:13:40 am
Post by: splinterz on June 07, 2012, 08:34:03 am
i've finished up another version for you ladies and gentlemen:
v13 34.07-34.11
@splinterz - Something not quite right in the new version. Haven't had a chance to track it down yet, but my Linux build (debian 5.0.8, Qt 4.6.3 - I know, it's a little behind on updates), it goes through the process of loading dwarves, squads, etc with the expected progress bar display, but then hangs before it actually draws the grid. Not sure if that suggests an obvious place to look - I'll try to get a little more info later if necessary. Same results with DF 0.34.07 and 0.34.11 - didn't try all the intermediates...
yeah i was afraid the drawing changes might have broken something :-[ it seemed to be alright on my linux virtual machine, but i'll play with it some more, please let me know if you discover anything. maybe take a look at the log file or send it to me.
Post by: Intrinsic on June 07, 2012, 10:40:48 am
Is there any way to make therapist read family data ... to keep track of families?
Legends Viewer is hoping to have Family Tree's at some point, i'm not sure it fits the scope for DT though unless it had a plugin system and someone rolled their own.
Post by: Argelle on June 07, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
yeah i was afraid the drawing changes might have broken something :-[ it seemed to be alright on my linux virtual machine, but i'll play with it some more, please let me know if you discover anything. maybe take a look at the log file or send it to me.
Speaking of changes:
Do you know what give the white gray letter color on top of white for the detail of dwarves? I'm struggling to read :)
While I'm at it, thanks for the good work, I can play without your version and the squad management!
(http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/74ed3869-7503-4489-8864-d996ce0ecefa.jpg) (http://tof.canardpc.com/view/74ed3869-7503-4489-8864-d996ce0ecefa.jpg)
Post by: splinterz on June 07, 2012, 12:40:22 pm
yeah i was afraid the drawing changes might have broken something :-[ it seemed to be alright on my linux virtual machine, but i'll play with it some more, please let me know if you discover anything. maybe take a look at the log file or send it to me.
Speaking of changes:
Do you know what give the white gray letter color on top of white for the detail of dwarves? I'm struggling to read :)
While I'm at it, thanks for the good work, I can play without your version and the squad management!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
yeah that's awful, was that just with this last update? is that on linux?
Post by: Argelle on June 07, 2012, 01:11:14 pm
Post by: Jon-Ace on June 07, 2012, 01:36:33 pm
EDIT1: Having Argelle's same problem. Windows 7, DF 34.11
Post by: splinterz on June 07, 2012, 02:21:20 pm
edit: ok i've fixed the tooltip color issue, please verify that it's working properly. DOWNLOAD (https://rapidshare.com/files/685926344/Dwarf_Therapist-13.zip)
Post by: Jon-Ace on June 07, 2012, 02:24:23 pm
is it only showing light text on the tooltip over the dwarf name, or is it all tooltips?
As far as I can tell, only on the dwarf tooltips.
Post by: caddybear on June 07, 2012, 02:36:47 pm
is it only showing light text on the tooltip over the dwarf name, or is it all tooltips?
edit: ok i've fixed the tooltip color issue, please verify that it's working properly. DOWNLOAD (https://rapidshare.com/files/685926344/Dwarf_Therapist-13.zip)
It appears fixed, thanks.
Post by: Sutremaine on June 07, 2012, 02:51:05 pm
I'm loving the new 'can wield these weapons' feature even though it's about half a dozen ticks after embark. No more hoarding human weapons and seeing who takes one when ordered to!
Post by: splinterz on June 07, 2012, 03:31:12 pm
is it only showing light text on the tooltip over the dwarf name, or is it all tooltips?
edit: ok i've fixed the tooltip color issue, please verify that it's working properly. DOWNLOAD (https://rapidshare.com/files/685926344/Dwarf_Therapist-13.zip)
It appears fixed, thanks.
fantastic, let me know if anything else comes up. i'm also curious as to what you guys think of the icons/color stuff, good bad, irrelevant? :)
Finally got round to updating from .04 to .11...
I'm loving the new 'can wield these weapons' feature even though it's about half a dozen ticks after embark. No more hoarding human weapons and seeing who takes one when ordered to!
good to hear it's useful. i'm not sure if it was you who originally brought up the idea, but i did see it in this thread.
Post by: khearn on June 07, 2012, 04:24:30 pm
I just did an hg clone and build on linux (ubuntu). It works fine for me. I love having the sort preserved, thanks for implementing it.
Since you asked for feedback on them, I'll say I'm not thrilled with the new job icons. But that may just be because I was familiar with the old ones and don't know the new ones yet. So please don't take any of these comments as criticism, except in the constructive sense. I'll probably like them more as I get used to them.
The smelt ore and make charcoal icons seem to be the same, and the icon doesn't make sense for charcoal making (and I'm not too sure about it for smelting, I thought it was brewing at first). I'm guessing the charcoal making will be changed at some point, since you did say it's a work in progress.
For some of them I just can't tell what it's supposed to be. Drink and eat seem clear enough. Sleep seems to be a circle with maybe clouds and a sun in it. I'm not sure why that's sleep, the old Z was pretty clear.
I'm guessing "fish" is the tail end of a fish that's been chopped in half (or else the head of a desk lamp). The half fish interpretation would make sense for fish cleaning or dissecting, but a whole fish would more sense for fishing. The desk lamp interpretation makes no sense, so I'm assuming that's completely off base.
I have no clue what "store item in stockpile" is supposed to be. "Pickup equipment" appears to be the same thing as "store item in stockpile", but I still have no idea what it is. Looks kind of like a big wall-mounted alarm bell, like schools used to have, but I doubt that's what it's supposed to be. :)
"Store item in bin" seems fairly clear, a bin with a green +. I assume "store item in barrel" will be changed to a barrel with a + when you get a chance.
"Pen/Pasture large animal" must be a pasture gate with a green +, but it looks to me more like a computer punch card, except that it's the wrong color. But I suspect that not many people would think of a punched card, so that probably says more about me than it does about the icon. :)
"Train War Animal" seems to be a kitty. I guess that's generic for all the training tasks, but I don't have many war kitties in my fort. Of course, I guess it could also be a War Giant Tiger, which does make perfect sense. At least I can see that it's an animal, so it must be a train animal task. So it's fine as far as I'm concerned.
The "detail wall" icon seems to be a paintbrush, which kind of makes sense. Trying to do a recognizable hammer and chisel that small would be difficult. The paintbrush does imply artistic imaging, and I can't think of anything better for engraving.
I also note that when I sort by job, "no job" and "on break" are intermingled, but the icons do make sense.
That's everything that my dwarves are doing at the moment. I guess I should work on getting them to do other things so I can tell you what's wrong with other icons as well. ;) But seriously, I do appreciate the effort. There were many tasks that all had the same icons like a blue triangle in a circle, or a blue dot, so a revamp is certainly a good thing.
Regarding the noble highlighting, i like the concept but I think the colors are too dark. I know I can create custom colors, and I'm trying out some that are much lighter. The trouble I was having is that when I have a dwarf selected, it was getting lost amongst the nobles that were all similar darkness. By having the nobles be lighter shades, the selected dwarf stands out better. It might be good to have more pastels in the non-custom colors.
The happiness icons don't appeal to me too much, either (boy, I'm sure negative today, sorry). It's too hard for my eyes to tell a yellow circle with a smile from a yellow circle with a scowl. The solid colors were much easier for me to distinguish. But you've given the option to use the icons or colors, so people can pick whichever they prefer.
The gradients also don't work too well in the happiness boxes, they're just too small for gradients to work well. The gradients do look good for larger areas, like the dwarf names.
All-in-all, a very nice set of new features, even if I mostly seem to be saying what I don't like. Thanks!
Post by: Argelle on June 08, 2012, 03:55:45 am
edit: ok i've fixed the tooltip color issue, please verify that it's working properly. DOWNLOAD (https://rapidshare.com/files/685926344/Dwarf_Therapist-13.zip)
Nice fix, it works!
As for the feed back you ask, I'd say I like very much the new feeling globally, but I would not give a detail icon by icon as khearn did, since it seems a bit subjective. On top of it, one has to get use to it, so let it be for a moment ;-)
Current jobs : nicer, clear, but I really only look at idle dwarves or mouse other to see the job in hand.
Happiness : for me it was a nice improvement, and smileys talk more to me than colors. Sure if you have time to do, icons AND color code would be great (from yello smiling to red pissed off).
Nobles and squad : that is the very reason I use your branche of DT. A real +++.
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Regarding the noble highlighting, i like the concept but I think the colors are too dark.huh? I do not see what you refer to. For me, nobles are highlighted by * * and italics. *Stephanie de Monaco*
Roles tab : so usefull that I feel like cheating instead of reading the wiki to hire a noble :) Why are "broker" and "bookeeper" there, but not other nobles role?
EDIT : Just notice that sorting out by migration wave is wrong when another classification is set. Here : 518/518/519/518 because I classified by "miners". It is fine otherwise (all 518 then 519 in military). I not not know if it's specific to your branch, nor do I found how to "deselect" a classification (like "miners" here).
(http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/f4be5f1f-cf13-4655-bc4a-4a3f082ee9b5.jpg) (http://tof.canardpc.com/view/f4be5f1f-cf13-4655-bc4a-4a3f082ee9b5.jpg)
Post by: Rose on June 08, 2012, 04:22:30 am
(https://github.com/peterix/stonesense/raw/master/resources/SSStatusIcons.png)
Post by: splinterz on June 08, 2012, 08:32:44 am
- charcoal/coke i will change, i didn't know if it was crucial to be able to identify it as a current job, apparently it is :)
- sleep is a clockface with clouds, a moon and stars. i know this one is tiny and i'm looking for a better alternative that's more obvious
- i couldn't for the life of me find a decent fishing rod, so all fish related activities are the chopped fish tail
- i separated hauling jobs into: hauling (hand-truck with crate), depot (wood crate), store in x (cardboard box). barrels, chests and stuff would be nice though
- pen/pasture is just a dashed line box with a + sign, intended as 'add thing to area' i suppose
- most animal jobs are just a cat icon, at the very least i just wanted to be able to identify that some job with an animal is happening. maybe i'll try to use some kind of whip or something for training instead
@Argelle: you can turn on highlighting for nobles and choose colors for them in the options. i only created default roles for noble positions have have related labors. you can however create your own custom roles! i'll look into fixing the sorting when grouped by migration.
@Japa: thanks, i think those happiness icons will be much easier to distinguish
Post by: Argelle on June 08, 2012, 09:01:42 am
@Argelle: you can turn on highlighting for nobles and choose colors for them in the options. i only created default roles for noble positions have have related labors. you can however create your own custom roles!
I did see "custom professions", assumed it was for exemple a "woodgaterer" (woodcutter and herborist) but overlooked the same for roles. It is kind of way beyond my level for now, as the wiki, DF itself showing some skills for the role and my brain tell all different stories about what make a good, say, bookeeper, or a bookeeper able to gain experience.
Post by: King Mir on June 08, 2012, 02:57:31 pm
Can you make labors, attributes and roles use a stable sort like military currently does?
Post by: splinterz on June 08, 2012, 03:07:59 pm
@splinterz
Can you make labors, attributes and roles use a stable sort like military currently does?
sorry, you'll have to elaborate for me exactly what you're talking about. i'm unaware of any change in sorting on the military tab.
Post by: King Mir on June 08, 2012, 03:17:52 pm
I don't know if you're using the STL, but if you are, there is a stable sort algorithm in the standard library.
Post by: splinterz on June 08, 2012, 03:32:07 pm
In the military tab, if I sort by any skill, then sort by another skill, the order of same value skills (in particular 0 value skills) remains unchanged. So If I sort by dodger then by siege operator, all 0 skill siege operators will be sorted by their dodge skill. This is called a stable sort.
I don't know if you're using the STL, but if you are, there is a stable sort algorithm in the standard library.
yes i'm aware of the stablesort, that's why i'm surprised that's somehow working for the military tab, as i'm fairly certain there's no stable sort used anywhere.
Post by: King Mir on June 08, 2012, 03:36:06 pm
And the social tab too.
EDIT: On further inspection, it seems to be working on the labor tab, but if there is a role associated with a skill, it'll use role as a secondary sorting criteria. And since most dwarves have some aptitude for any particular role, this means that the 0 skill dwarves will no longer preserve their old order.
It's a bit of a loss of functionality because I can't for example move all my miners and Engravers to the top at once. I'm sure it has it's benefits though.
Post by: splinterz on June 08, 2012, 03:50:29 pm
Post by: King Mir on June 08, 2012, 03:55:00 pm
Post by: ludsoe on June 09, 2012, 01:32:46 am
Post by: eataTREE on June 09, 2012, 02:31:39 am
Spoiler: Offsets for 34.11 on OSX (click to show/hide)
Post by: yamamushi on June 09, 2012, 03:10:17 am
If anyone's interested, I have working offsets for v0.34.11 on OSX. These are for vanilla Dwarf Therapist; at the moment I can't make Splinterz's version build.Spoiler: Offsets for 34.11 on OSX (click to show/hide)
Thank you!!!!! :D :D :D :D
Post by: Intrinsic on June 09, 2012, 09:51:23 am
When will it be compatible with 0.34.11? I get cant communicate errors on start up while using the new DF version
It was compatible with 34.11 on the day 34.11 was released...just go back a few pages for the layouts or use the one in the LNP.
Post by: Sebovzeoueb on June 09, 2012, 02:25:18 pm
Post by: eataTREE on June 09, 2012, 02:55:18 pm
I'm on OS X, and Dwarf Therapist doesn't seem to be working for me with 0.34.11 currently. What do I do with the OS X offsets to make it work?You would have to paste them into your Dwarf Therapist application manually. While not a particularly difficult process, it involves use of the command line. Command-line environments have been found to cause panic and anxiety in the technologically challenged. Proceed at your own risk; consult your local Mac or Linux/Unix guru if symptoms persist:)
First, select the stuff in that 'code' block -- all of it -- and copy it to clipboard with Apple-C. Then open a terminal window (Applications/Launchpad -> Utilities -> Terminal) and, in the terminal window, proceed as follows (text in parenthesis are instructions for you to follow, text outside parenthesis are commands for you to type as shown):
Code: [Select]
cat > v0.34.11.ini
(Now press Apple+V on your keyboard to paste the offset text, then RETURN followed by Control+D. You should get the terminal prompt back at that point.)
cd /Applications/DwarfTherapist.app/Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
sudo cp ~/v0.34.11.ini .
(It will ask you for your password, type it, your keystrokes will not show up on the screen. Once you hit RETURN and see the terminal prompt again, you're done and can press Control+D to end your terminal session.)
Now launch Dwarf Therapist like you normally would and it should connect to v0.34.11.
Post by: Geleihoofd on June 09, 2012, 04:50:13 pm
There seems to be a little problem with the info in the mouse-overs sometimes. At least after changing some options and re-read the dwarfs.
The related roles percentages in the cell mouse-over seems to differ until you switch to the roles tab and back. The same for the top 3 roles in the name mouse-over, first there are zero roles, after switching to the roles tab and back there are three again...
Running @ Win7 x64
Post by: Sebovzeoueb on June 09, 2012, 04:59:08 pm
Thanks very much, while I wouldn't exactly define myself as 'technologically challenged', I definitely have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to using the command line.
Your step by step guide is very precise and well explained in layman's terms, and Dwarf Therapist now appears to be running correctly with the latest version of DF.
10/10 would follow instructions again.
Post by: ivanthe8th on June 09, 2012, 06:12:55 pm
I'm on OS X, and Dwarf Therapist doesn't seem to be working for me with 0.34.11 currently. What do I do with the OS X offsets to make it work?You would have to paste them into your Dwarf Therapist application manually. While not a particularly difficult process, it involves use of the command line. Command-line environments have been found to cause panic and anxiety in the technologically challenged. Proceed at your own risk; consult your local Mac or Linux/Unix guru if symptoms persist:)
First, select the stuff in that 'code' block -- all of it -- and copy it to clipboard with Apple-C. Then open a terminal window (Applications/Launchpad -> Utilities -> Terminal) and, in the terminal window, proceed as follows (text in parenthesis are instructions for you to follow, text outside parenthesis are commands for you to type as shown):Code: [Select]cat > v0.34.11.ini
(Now press Apple+V on your keyboard to paste the offset text, then RETURN followed by Control+D. You should get the terminal prompt back at that point.)
cd /Applications/DwarfTherapist.app/Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
sudo cp ~/v0.34.11.ini .
(It will ask you for your password, type it, your keystrokes will not show up on the screen. Once you hit RETURN and see the terminal prompt again, you're done and can press Control+D to end your terminal session.)
Now launch Dwarf Therapist like you normally would and it should connect to v0.34.11.
There is an easier approach for osx. If you right-click on Dwarf Therapist in your applications folder, click "show package contents" it shows you all the files associated with the program.
That shows you the myriad of folders associated with the Therapist. To find the memory layouts, go through MacOS>etc>memory_layouts>osx There you'll find the .ini files for the current version. You can open textedit and copy/paste the data and save it as an appropriately-named .ini file into the folder.
It seems a little bit complex, digging through all those folders. But at least you aren't using the command line.
Post by: King Mir on June 09, 2012, 06:31:12 pm
But here the command line is a convenience for navigating to the correct folder and not opening a text editor. You can instead navigate to the folder through the gui, and then use a text editor to save the information under the proper name.
Post by: splinterz on June 09, 2012, 06:34:40 pm
@splinterz
There seems to be a little problem with the info in the mouse-overs sometimes. At least after changing some options and re-read the dwarfs.
The related roles percentages in the cell mouse-over seems to differ until you switch to the roles tab and back. The same for the top 3 roles in the name mouse-over, first there are zero roles, after switching to the roles tab and back there are three again...
Running @ Win7 x64
do you need to go to the roles tab, or does selecting another dwarf on the current tab refresh it after a read?
Post by: plaidman on June 09, 2012, 08:20:45 pm
Post by: Geleihoofd on June 09, 2012, 09:49:59 pm
do you need to go to the roles tab, or does selecting another dwarf on the current tab refresh it after a read?
Yes, I have to go to the roles tab.
To be more precise, I have to go to the roles tab every time I've commited some changes to DF, otherwise the top 3 (I use 10) roles are gone and the role percentages are scaled down (since it doesn't make any difference in sorting).
Post by: Argelle on June 10, 2012, 01:02:06 am
Pop up on a dwarf : 0 top 3 roles, change tab, going back : top 3 displayed in pop up.
Post by: ludsoe on June 10, 2012, 01:41:44 am
If anyone's interested, I have working offsets for v0.34.11 on OSX. These are for vanilla Dwarf Therapist; at the moment I can't make Splinterz's version build.Spoiler: Offsets for 34.11 on OSX (click to show/hide)
How do i make windows 7 compatible offsets? Im very confused.
Post by: Rose on June 10, 2012, 01:44:17 am
Post by: ludsoe on June 10, 2012, 01:51:10 am
You don't, you download the ones posted previously.
I get this with and with out the Mac OSX offsets. Were the windows ones already posted a few pages back?
(http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz239/Ludsoe/what.png)
Edit: I didn't look back far enough sorry for wasting your time.
Post by: Rose on June 10, 2012, 07:28:57 am
The OSX offsets won't work because, well, they're the OSX offsets, not the windows offsets.
Post by: Thorik on June 10, 2012, 01:45:47 pm
Post by: chrisadams3997 on June 10, 2012, 05:07:54 pm
However... lol, I've got the same role bug reported by others recently, and in addition migration waves aren't displaying properly. I haven't done any testing to see just what they are doing wrong, but it's definitely getting all jumbled up. That's on DT 13, 34.10, Windows 7 64 bit.
Post by: splinterz on June 10, 2012, 05:23:18 pm
Hey Splinterz, you've been doin' a great job expanding what dwarf therapist can do. I love it.
However... lol, I've got the same role bug reported by others recently, and in addition migration waves aren't displaying properly. I haven't done any testing to see just what they are doing wrong, but it's definitely getting all jumbled up. That's on DT 13, 34.10, Windows 7 64 bit.
yeah i'll have a fix out for the roles problem as well as the migration wave sorting soon™
edit: in the mean time for the migration sorting, clicking the column header for the dwarf names seems to fix up the grouping sort
Post by: chrisadams3997 on June 10, 2012, 05:43:15 pm
Post by: thistleknot on June 10, 2012, 09:17:07 pm
This is my proposal for Dwarf Therapist (Splinterz is aware of it, I just needed to get the last idea of coverage in their correctly).
Idea is similar to Dwarf Organizer.
http://www.mediafire.com/?e6khcaecehpke6s
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Someone pointed out I wasn't too clear on what this does from this post.
So, it analyzes your dwarf's based on role %'s, and uses a pre-defined list (which a user would create, preferrably inside DT) that filters dwarf's based on role % and then eliminates them from future labor assignments as they are "assigned" up to jobs.
That's basically what it does, optimal labor assignment.
Post by: Argelle on June 11, 2012, 01:36:23 am
Can you say a little bit more for the lay
Argelle
Post by: Meph on June 11, 2012, 01:42:57 am
Lets say you have 4 Masonries, and want all of them being worked at at all times, you just say: Mason 4 and it will assign labors to as many dwarves as necessary to cover that. At least when it is done it should be able to do this.
Post by: Argelle on June 11, 2012, 02:40:53 am
Related question, if I want 4 masons, until now I hit "group by nothing" in DFtherapist, then click on "mason" to classified what I think is by professional mason and afterthat by the ability to become one, and then click in the box of the candidates until I reach 4: is it the right way and how will it differs with the new comand box?
Post by: Meph on June 11, 2012, 03:34:45 am
I do know that it takes military assignments and miner/woodcutter/hunter into account. As in: Miners cant be woodcutters and to forth.
Post by: thistleknot on June 11, 2012, 09:15:20 am
Hello thistleknot,
Can you say a little bit more for the laymandwarf that I am, if it's a DFtherapist branche, a plug in or a side programm?
Argelle
What it does is asks a user to assign to each labor/role he wants to use a: rank, a coverage value, and a number of dwarfs to be assigned.
Rank is the order in which the labors r assigned. The dwarfs r sorted by matching role to fill those spots.
Then, a cost value is assigned to each dwarf when he's assigned a labor based on the desired coverage / dwarfs assigned.
Coverage = number of desired dwarfs at any given time available to do that job.
Hope that helps.
What this does is ensure multiple labors can be assigned to dwarfs while maintaining a desired coverage factor for each labor.
Post by: helmacon on June 11, 2012, 11:17:58 am
:o
Post by: Andir on June 11, 2012, 11:28:57 am
dawrf, the rapistUm, welcome to last year?
:o
Also, I'm a firm believer in "you read what you want"... I never saw TheRapist until someone mentioned it in a video being overly dramatic. (I think his wife was also along for the joke.)
Post by: splinterz on June 11, 2012, 02:21:56 pm
download (https://rapidshare.com/files/2248257065/Dwarf_Therapist-13.zip)
Post by: thistleknot on June 11, 2012, 04:59:29 pm
Until the dwarves' armies is fully professional (at a 100 pop, they still run two jobs alternatively by me :) swordwarf and bucher for exemple... wait, wrong example, it's the same :s ) it could be 4 masons on paper, but only 3 working and another weapon trainning, right? Do you plan to take this into account?
Related question, if I want 4 masons, until now I hit "group by nothing" in DFtherapist, then click on "mason" to classified what I think is by professional mason and afterthat by the ability to become one, and then click in the box of the candidates until I reach 4: is it the right way and how will it differs with the new comand box?On a side, larger suggestion for DFtherapist: it would be usefull to add a line (top or buttom) with the number of each professions, no? So far it's cover by classified by profession, and the numbers are in the right colum but it's still no obvious how many professions are vacant.edit: one less question, the answer is that DF itself provide a list in the [Z] menu :-[
this program will allow you to do your labor assignments this way. You would just set coverage to half the number of dwarf's assigned for the labors you want to split up in such a fashion.
So you have melee/butcher's? That would require an attention score of near .5 (i.e. 50% melee 50% butcher).
Example:
Butcher
Coverage: 10
# Dwarves: 20
Attention = 10/20 = .5
Melee soldier
Coverage: 10
# Dwarves: 20
Attention = 10/20 = .5
That would allow a dwarf to take both those position (.5 +.5 = 1) and he would have no other labors/roles/jobs assigned to him. It would also allow you to maintain a coverage of 10 melee soldier's at one time, and 10 butcher's at one time.
However... such a concept requires you only having half your military active at any one time (I have 6 month rotations for my military, so I target an attention rate of .5).
Post by: Isher on June 11, 2012, 07:54:40 pm
Um, welcome to last year?
Um, welcome to 1998.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htoFkn6S0H8
:P
Sorry for crap video but the alternative is a 6 minute video.
Post by: cybergon on June 11, 2012, 09:21:15 pm
It would be useful specifically when you're trying to sort your dwarves by labor skills but not military or social skills.
I hope it's not too hard to implement.
Post by: splinterz on June 12, 2012, 03:48:47 am
Suggestion here: Make an option to limit the 'Group by' drop list by certain tabs. Perhaps a checkbox on each tab.
It would be useful specifically when you're trying to sort your dwarves by labor skills but not military or social skills.
I hope it's not too hard to implement.
that's not a bad idea. i'll see if i can make the grouping tab/view specific as well like i did with the sorting, that should suffice for what you'd like right?
Post by: Argelle on June 12, 2012, 08:33:00 am
Post by: King Mir on June 12, 2012, 08:40:10 am
Post by: daftfad on June 12, 2012, 11:30:52 am
I have an issue with splinterz's where the window will resize to a larger size durring use. This happens when the window is already maximized, so it resizes beyond the size of the screen. I haven't identified when this happens, I just notice that it's sometimes bigger.
Same here. Usually happens when I open another panel, like the dwarf detail.
Post by: khearn on June 12, 2012, 01:33:25 pm
Post by: Ploder on June 12, 2012, 08:13:10 pm
Any help?
Oh--I'm running Windows 7.
Post by: Kaelem Gaen on June 12, 2012, 10:18:54 pm
With DFhack having become a tie-in to the SDL the memory.xml probably won't be got as fast
Unless they still use Memory.xml in it.
Post by: Rose on June 12, 2012, 10:29:44 pm
Post by: Brandon816 on June 13, 2012, 01:47:03 am
Post by: Intrinsic on June 13, 2012, 03:16:12 am
Eat icon is fine, drink is meh, just needs more contrast, a frothy flagon would be great!
Attend Party icon could be balloons, instead of what looks like a traffic cone ;p
Pen Pasture could just a cow icon, it looks like a clothesmaking type thing atm.
New icons may look a bit prettier, but they just seem to blend into the background a bit to much. Adding missing icons for existing stuff is good, but these new ones are very elf like heh.
I'd much prefer solid colour blocks instead of the new gradient style for enabled roles etc. Can this be an option please it just looks far better.
And there seems to be some rendering issues, v12 compare to v13 below. And those un-symmetrical skill level thingies(see Animal Training below) are gonna send my brain potty, as is the grid lines themselve *twitch* it's 1 pixel horizontally and 2 vertically. Setting cell padding to 1 makes the grid look a bit better, but then the Current Job icons are resized and then become all blurry which makes them even worse, and then the diamonds(for leg skills) go wonkey lol...
And the font rendering, i was wondering why it wasn't as clear before i took these 2 screenshots. It seems compacted uuurgggh.
V12
(http://www.zenadsl5706.zen.co.uk/DF/v12.png)
V13
(http://www.zenadsl5706.zen.co.uk/DF/v13.png)
Please please please revert the UI rendering on the grids etc back to what they were, new icons i can live with but the UI uurrrrgghh.
Post by: Argelle on June 13, 2012, 03:36:06 am
And the font rendering, i was wondering why it wasn't as clear before i took these 2 screenshots. It seems compacted uuurgggh.
If clear type is off, it may cause the ugly font, not Therapist :
Left, on my computer :
(http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/e3c883a2-a273-44d8-93d7-136bb97cf43c.jpg) (http://tof.canardpc.com/view/e3c883a2-a273-44d8-93d7-136bb97cf43c.jpg)
Post by: Intrinsic on June 13, 2012, 04:51:33 am
Post by: splinterz on June 13, 2012, 05:26:54 am
the header font is the same as the dwarf name/row font now, previously it was a set default. if it's that much of an issue i can add another setting to specify the header font. the icon blurriness shouldn't occur unless the cell size is too small (less than 16/16 for most icons). if you add cell padding, the cell size shrinks so you may have to play with it to get it just right with padding and clear icons. the font also seems to sometimes affect the row height slightly. i know it will be hard as you seem to fight change, but try changing the font perhaps.
i'll change the party hat to balloons, the mug is here to stay for a while (i'm no graphic artist). but elf like!? now you're just being offensive! really though if you know of a comprehensive 'dwarfish' icon set, let me know. yes, i know the sleep icon isn't obvious i'll figure out something else, worst case, back to z's.
i'll add an option for the cell gradients as there have been a few people complaining about it. for that awful, horrible, garish, massive 1 pixel border issue, we'll see... i had to make some changes for the padding to work properly which might have affected them. i'll work on getting the skill drawings centered though.
Post by: Intrinsic on June 13, 2012, 06:43:38 am
The liquid in the mug just needs to be more brown then it'll stand out great, the icons you've done are really nice. And lol the elf like was just a reference to stuff being made more "pretty" :) The sleep icon is really nicely drawn, maybe adding a little Z to it in the top right hand corner could help?
The grid is great as long as i keep it at 1 cell padding, i just had it at 0 so i could fit everything on the screen so i didn't have to scroll across to see arch/alch/clean.
Post by: splinterz on June 13, 2012, 07:11:56 am
oh but it was broken, that cell padding was messed up something fierce. i'm sure the border lines problem is something that can be fixed.
no that's what i mean, i haven't done the icons at all, i've just used a free set i found. making it a brown ale is a good idea though, i think i can handle that!
yeah it's the cell padding 0 that seems to cause the most grief, as cell edges are drawn on top of each other so lines have to be force drawn over top etc. regardless, input is always valued, so thanks.
Post by: ab9rf on June 13, 2012, 08:14:02 am
We'll probably have to wait till the next memory.xml pops out somewhere for a manual update for Dwarf Fortress 34.11The DFHack peeps had working offsets (https://raw.github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/master/windows/therapist.ini) for DwarfTherapist within hours of the DF .34.11 release. Been available now for over a week.
With DFhack having become a tie-in to the SDL the memory.xml probably won't be got as fast
Unless they still use Memory.xml in it.
Post by: plaidman on June 13, 2012, 02:43:13 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Xilikraz on June 13, 2012, 05:05:33 pm
Post by: eataTREE on June 13, 2012, 07:54:28 pm
I got tired of waiting for the "official" OSX offsets, so I made an attempt to do them myself. Based on personal quick tests, these look to be working fine, but no guarantees this won't make your mac warp to another dimension.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: thistleknot on June 14, 2012, 03:51:51 am
Desired coverage of job (i.e. how many dwarf's available at any given time do you want to be able to do it).
How many labor's do you want to assign per dwarf (doesn't really matter, but values from 5 to 10 are good).
Coverage / (1/labor's per dwarf) = # dwarf's to assign to each role
sort your role's out from most important to least important
then start assigning that # to each role until you hit the # of dwarf's per labor, and ensure you don't exceed that number for each dwarf...
Post by: thistleknot on June 14, 2012, 12:12:44 pm
This is how it works
1. You have to create a ranked list of labors where the 1st item is the highest priority of assigning high % dwarf's to, and the last is least priority.
Example: at the top of mine, I had miner's, farmer's, at the top, and I had shearer's and milker's at the bottom.
2. Coverage: Then you need to decide how much coverage you want per labor. For example, do I want 2 miner's available at all times? Well, then I set coverage to 2. Coverage determines the # of dwarf's to assign to that labor... coverage / (1/number of dwarfs per labor (step3) can't be larger than population).
3. Labors Per Dwarf: Then you decide how many labor's you want per dwarf. I recommend a low # of labor's per dwarf for small populations, and more? for large populations. I have 100 population, so I set my labors to 10 each. Labors per dwarf has to be less than the highest value derived in step 3a
3a. Dwarfs Per Labor: Each labor has it's own # of dwarf's to assign: Calculate by taking the labor's coverage / (1/# of labors per dwarf). For maximum efficiency I recommend multiplying (and rounding) this number by population/(sum of coverages), sum of the rounded numbers should equal: population * labor's per dwarf.
Example: 2 coverage for mining, at 10 labors for each dwarf. Is 20 dwarf's for mining.
4. Now you unassign everyone's labor (create a custom profession that you want to use a base labor set, for example, mine included all hauling jobs, recovering wounded, burying, architecture, etc.). Apply this custom profession to everyone...
5. Now see how many labors are assigned to each dwarf by sorting by total labor's assigned (use the filter drop down). This is your base #. Important for next step. Unapply sort.
6. Now take the # of labors you wish to assign to each dwarf established in step 3 and add this to the number you got in step 5.
7. Apply this filter script (save it too!) d.total_assigned_labors()<# derived in step 6.
8. Now sort each labor by % highest to lowest. Start assigning the # of dwarf's established in step 3a.
Special note:
Nobles, militia: you can assign militia at the end (and unassign labors, or... you can assign them first and just exclude them by name in your filter script...
Same with nobles. I personally selected my nobles at the end by sorting by # of labors, and picking a low # of labor dwarf with a good fit for a noble position to fill that position, therefore preserving my super dwarf's (i.e. a good % fit for a lot of roles) who had a lot of labors assigned to keep doing there super dwarf labors.
There's an optional way of handling militia as well as Nobles. You can assign them a cost. For example, a manager you can safely assume is a cost of 1 (100% of their time is consumed doing work). This cost kind of equals coverage. All it means is you subtract 1 from the population in your calculations above... then you don't assign him to any other labors and everyone else is still assigned.
You can kind of do this with the military as well if you have half active/half inactive like I do... You can then assign them a cost of .5, so they could still be assigned 1/2 of the labors per dwarf that the other dwarf's can have. Originally I didn't want to say anything about this cuz it's confusing, but... in Splinterz version of DT, militia dwarf's are highlighted. And if they are your highest priority to assign, you can keep an eye on them until they reach there 50% labor mark, and then add their names to the filter script to exclude them from future assignments!
Custom Professions: If you have custom professions, as I do with Nurses, craftsdwarfs, and metalsmiths. Do not assign their custom profession during this process, if you do it will add say 5-6 labors at once, and you may only wish to count nursing as 1 labor for the purposes of the ranked labor list (step 1). If you want to count nursing as 1 labor, assign just 1 labor in the meantime (example diagnosis) until you finish assigning everyone, then apply the custom profession that applies the 5-6 labors.
Incompatible Labors: This is important, these 3 are incompatible: Woodcutting, hunting, and mining. When you get to these roles, you need to filter by the other incompatible labors by adding this to the filter script (step 7). d.has_labor(00) for mining, or d.has_labor(44) for hunting. So when you get to woodcutting, and you already have your miner's and ambusher's assigned, then you need to add to the filter script (!d.has_labor(00)) && (!d.has_labor(44)), this will filter out those dwarf's so you can assign the correct # of dwarf's without accidentally unassigning the incompatible labor dwarf's, be sure to remove that additional filter part when not needed
That's it. With practice, you can efficiently assign your whole fortress in less than 5 minutes! I was doing it (finally at the end) in 10 minutes after about 10 failed attempts without the d.total_assigned_labors()<# function, which was a pain, I was manually filtering by names that had exceeded the # of labor's assigned...
Here's a csv sheet of my stuff (without the military/noble stuff described above)
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Population,,95,,,Dwarfs per labor,10,,Pop/Cov,1.210191083
Name,P Weight,Coverage,# of Dwarfs,x Pop/Cov,Labor,,,,
Miner,0.5625,2.5,25,30,Mining,,,,
Farmer,0.5625,2.5,25,30,Farming (fields),,,,
Metalsmith,0.523437,2.5,25,30,Custom Profession,,,,
Leatherworker,0.523437,2,20,24,Leatherworking,,,,
Bowyer,0.471094,2,20,24,Crossbow-making,,,,
Carpenter,0.46875,2,20,24,Carpentry,,,,
Mason,0.46875,2,20,24,Masonry,,,,
Brewer,0.46875,2,20,24,Brewing,,,,
Gem Cutter,0.468749,2,20,24,Gem cutting,,,,
Thresher,0.421875,2,20,24,Plant processing,,,,
Craftsdwarf,0.421874,2,20,24,Custom Profession,,,,
Mechanic,0.421874,3,30,36,Mechanics,,,,
Plant Gatherer,0.390625,4,40,48,Plant gathering,,,,
Cook,0.390624,2,20,24,Cooking,,,,
Engraver,0.375,3,30,36,Stone detailing,,,,
Ambusher,0.375,3,30,36,Hunting,,,,
Nurse,0.375,6,60,73,Custom Profession,,,,
Woodcutter,0.34375,2,20,24,Wood cutting,,,,
Trapper,0.328125,2.5,25,30,Trapping,,,,
Lyemaker,0.328125,2,20,24,Lye making,,,,
Fisherdwarf,0.312499,3,30,36,Fishing,,,,
Fish Cleaner,0.281249,2.5,25,30,Fish cleaning,,,,
Spinner,0.273437,2,20,24,Spinning,,,,
Butcher,0.25,3,30,36,Butchery,,,,
Tanner,0.234375,2.5,25,30,Tanning,,,,
Soaper,0.1875,2,20,24,Soap making,,,,
Cheesemaker,0.140624,2,20,24,Cheese making,,,,
Animal Caretaker,0,4,40,48,Animal care,,,,
Wood Burner,0,2.5,25,30,Wood burning,,,,
Milker,-0.000001,2,20,24,Milking,,,,
Shearer,-0.000001,2,20,24,Shearing,,,,
,Sum,78.5,,,,,,,
Need to apply custom professions last!,,,,,,,,,
Post by: plaidman on June 14, 2012, 04:17:10 pm
Heh. You coulda just used mine from a few pages back in the thread. I promise yours won't warp your mac into another dimension, since they appear to be the same as mine :)I got tired of waiting for the "official" OSX offsets, so I made an attempt to do them myself. Based on personal quick tests, these look to be working fine, but no guarantees this won't make your mac warp to another dimension.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Aww crap, I wish I would have seen that. Oh well, thanks for your work. At least now I know my numbers aren't bad!
Post by: TerryDactyl on June 15, 2012, 07:27:32 am
In splinterz' build, I've set up some custom roles. They don't appear on the 'roles tab', but they're coming up in the corner window. I copied the 'melee soldier' role, removed the 'rage' trait, and called it 'calm soldier'. Now the odd part: despite rage being unweighted, I have a dwarf with a 91.83 'calm soldier' rating, against a 31.76 'melee soldier' rating. His lack of rage dropped him a full 60 points! This does not seem like intended behaviour.
Post by: splinterz on June 15, 2012, 08:57:39 am
I haven't been following this thread very closely, so my apologies if this is already known/addressed, or if there is a better place to report peculiar behaviours.
In splinterz' build, I've set up some custom roles. They don't appear on the 'roles tab', but they're coming up in the corner window. I copied the 'melee soldier' role, removed the 'rage' trait, and called it 'calm soldier'. Now the odd part: despite rage being unweighted, I have a dwarf with a 91.83 'calm soldier' rating, against a 31.76 'melee soldier' rating. His lack of rage dropped him a full 60 points! This does not seem like intended behaviour.
you can override roles in the default role tab by adding a custom role with the same name. it will replace the default roles. what weights are you using for the roles, specifically the traits?
Post by: TerryDactyl on June 15, 2012, 09:28:46 am
Calm soldier is the default melee role with rage removed.
Post by: Intrinsic on June 15, 2012, 10:38:46 am
Post by: splinterz on June 15, 2012, 11:11:15 am
Melee soldier is the default role,i still don't know what weights you're using but try changing the global weight of the traits if you don't want them to affect ratings as much (options->roles tab). in your example, the lower you set the trait weight, the closer those two roles should come in ratings.
Calm soldier is the default melee role with rage removed.
Icon issue: Milk Creature shows what looks like a Bow icon.thanks, will be fixed in the next update.
Post by: TerryDactyl on June 15, 2012, 12:47:11 pm
Attributes:1, Skills:1, Traits:1. The melee soldier role, as well, has weight:1 set to everything.
Are attributes, skills and traits each being compared against each other as averaged sums, or are all such values being considered individually?
It seems like traits are being weighed against attributes and against skills. Since there is only 1 trait and 6 attributes, I think that means that every one of those attributes is being considered only 1/6th as valuable as that 1 trait. I have not performed maths to confirm this notion.
Post by: splinterz on June 15, 2012, 01:39:01 pm
Default everything. Across the board.
Attributes:1, Skills:1, Traits:1. The melee soldier role, as well, has weight:1 set to everything.
Are attributes, skills and traits each being compared against each other as averaged sums, or are all such values being considered individually?
It seems like traits are being weighed against attributes and against skills. Since there is only 1 trait and 6 attributes, I think that means that every one of those attributes is being considered only 1/6th as valuable as that 1 trait. I have not performed maths to confirm this notion.
it takes a weighted average of all attributes, all traits and all skills to get three total ratings. it then uses the global weights to take a weighted average of the 3 totals. finally it adjusts it with a cdf to acquire a rank relative to the population.
so in your example, the single trait is valued equally to all the attributes, and equally to any/all skills, as they're all set to 1.
Post by: Intrinsic on June 16, 2012, 02:51:17 am
Post by: splinterz on June 16, 2012, 04:33:22 am
BUG: If an animal is set as "Available" to be tamed ingame and then you set it to butcher it in DT then it is already treated as owned and so when it dies it gets put in the corpse stockpile and then given a tomb...it works fine if you butcher it from ingame. I'm guessing there is a flag that isn't being cleared which makes it get treated this way.
just to be sure, you mean 'Toggle pet availability' to available, and then slaughter?
Post by: Intrinsic on June 16, 2012, 05:24:25 am
BUG: If an animal is set as "Available" to be tamed ingame and then you set it to butcher it in DT then it is already treated as owned and so when it dies it gets put in the corpse stockpile and then given a tomb...it works fine if you butcher it from ingame. I'm guessing there is a flag that isn't being cleared which makes it get treated this way.
just to be sure, you mean 'Toggle pet availability' to available, and then slaughter?
Yep on the Status->Animals screen.
Post by: splinterz on June 16, 2012, 07:18:40 am
BUG: If an animal is set as "Available" to be tamed ingame and then you set it to butcher it in DT then it is already treated as owned and so when it dies it gets put in the corpse stockpile and then given a tomb...it works fine if you butcher it from ingame. I'm guessing there is a flag that isn't being cleared which makes it get treated this way.
just to be sure, you mean 'Toggle pet availability' to available, and then slaughter?
Yep on the Status->Animals screen.
bah. i'm not sure what's going on then. i did some comparisons of the 'ready to slaughter' flag, setting it from DF and then from DT and it was identical. there must be something else happening :-\
just to make certain i'm following your actions: set animal to available, then set to slaughter in DT results in corpse stockpile->tomb right?
Post by: Shishimaru on June 16, 2012, 08:47:12 am
The specific_ref is of type 7 (PETINFO_PET)
I don't think there is a way to change this through DT, but you can check this reference to disable "set to slaughter" if the pet is available
Post by: Intrinsic on June 16, 2012, 09:36:50 am
BUG: If an animal is set as "Available" to be tamed ingame and then you set it to butcher it in DT then it is already treated as owned and so when it dies it gets put in the corpse stockpile and then given a tomb...it works fine if you butcher it from ingame. I'm guessing there is a flag that isn't being cleared which makes it get treated this way.
just to be sure, you mean 'Toggle pet availability' to available, and then slaughter?
Yep on the Status->Animals screen.
bah. i'm not sure what's going on then. i did some comparisons of the 'ready to slaughter' flag, setting it from DF and then from DT and it was identical. there must be something else happening :-\
just to make certain i'm following your actions: set animal to available, then set to slaughter in DT results in corpse stockpile->tomb right?
Yep correct.
Post by: TerryDactyl on June 16, 2012, 10:59:14 am
Default everything. Across the board.
Attributes:1, Skills:1, Traits:1. The melee soldier role, as well, has weight:1 set to everything.
Are attributes, skills and traits each being compared against each other as averaged sums, or are all such values being considered individually?
It seems like traits are being weighed against attributes and against skills. Since there is only 1 trait and 6 attributes, I think that means that every one of those attributes is being considered only 1/6th as valuable as that 1 trait. I have not performed maths to confirm this notion.
it takes a weighted average of all attributes, all traits and all skills to get three total ratings. it then uses the global weights to take a weighted average of the 3 totals. finally it adjusts it with a cdf to acquire a rank relative to the population.
so in your example, the single trait is valued equally to all the attributes, and equally to any/all skills, as they're all set to 1.
Okay, we're on the same page. I don't think this is the right way to do it because it results in traits, skills and attributes being weighted differently depending on how many values belong to each category.
Post by: King Mir on June 16, 2012, 11:20:53 am
Individual attribute are weighted less, but attributes as a whole are weighed as the settings indicate. It's intuitive.Default everything. Across the board.
Attributes:1, Skills:1, Traits:1. The melee soldier role, as well, has weight:1 set to everything.
Are attributes, skills and traits each being compared against each other as averaged sums, or are all such values being considered individually?
It seems like traits are being weighed against attributes and against skills. Since there is only 1 trait and 6 attributes, I think that means that every one of those attributes is being considered only 1/6th as valuable as that 1 trait. I have not performed maths to confirm this notion.
it takes a weighted average of all attributes, all traits and all skills to get three total ratings. it then uses the global weights to take a weighted average of the 3 totals. finally it adjusts it with a cdf to acquire a rank relative to the population.
so in your example, the single trait is valued equally to all the attributes, and equally to any/all skills, as they're all set to 1.
Okay, we're on the same page. I don't think this is the right way to do it because it results in traits, skills and attributes being weighted differently depending on how many values belong to each category.
Post by: TerryDactyl on June 16, 2012, 12:38:53 pm
Individual attribute are weighted less, but attributes as a whole are weighed as the settings indicate. It's intuitive.
It isn't intuitive. For starters, I had no idea that the global settings existed. Secondly, it results in variable weights for every role depending on how many values exist in each field. Third, there is no indication the game evaluates skill, traits and attributes in this way. We have already established that this is what is going on with therapist, and that is what we are discussing. Welcome to the conversation. I wasn't talking to you. >:(
Post by: King Mir on June 16, 2012, 12:53:27 pm
Post by: splinterz on June 16, 2012, 01:18:29 pm
third, the game doesn't provide you with any indication whatsoever on who may be best for a job, however we do know (see the wiki) that skills and attribute can affect jobs. we also know that some jobs may be affected in different ways by traits (ie. rage for military, compassion or whatever it is for doctors). it's still subjective, which is why all the different weights are there to allow players to decide what makes up a good rating.
you bring up an interesting point about taking each component and valuing them equally. i don't know if it's necessary, and i also don't know how much of an impact it would have on the rating without doing some testing. as they're ranked relative to each other at the last step, i don't think it's going to make a difference in the rankings.
finally, no offense, but if you don't want other people chiming in on a public forum perhaps private messages would be more suited to your needs. personally i like to hear that for some people the roles are intuitive and they've got no problems as much as i want to hear the concerns of people who think it's totally inaccurate.
Post by: Sutremaine on June 16, 2012, 01:26:55 pm
Third, there is no indication the game evaluates skill, traits and attributes in this way.Traits can make a difference to the quality of created goods. I once had a dwarf with a bunch of green mental stats step in as a mechanic, and he started producing high-quality mechanisms right away despite having no preferences for mechanisms or relevant stone types.
Post by: TerryDactyl on June 16, 2012, 02:48:50 pm
I felt it was rude that this fella comes in and completely invalidates the points I was making, despite my presenting evidence that one trait (or the lack thereof) influenced role score by a full 60 (!!!) points.
Post by: expwnent on June 16, 2012, 03:04:20 pm
I tried exporting grid views, but it seems to only export information about what property goes where in the Therapist GUI, not about the actual dwarves.
Never mind, DFHack does it.
Post by: splinterz on June 16, 2012, 03:38:34 pm
In-this-way meaning lumped in this fashion. I'm not arguing that traits influence certain elements of the game.
I felt it was rude that this fella comes in and completely invalidates the points I was making, despite my presenting evidence that one trait (or the lack thereof) influenced role score by a full 60 (!!!) points.
in your calm soldier role, you're excluding traits, so it's only taking into account skills and attributes, so this dwarf who receives a 91.83 rating, has great attributes and skills relative to the other dwarves.
the base melee role rates him at 31.76 because you've told it to value traits as being worth 1/3 of the rating. because he's got a very low trait rating, that 1/3 trait part of the rating isn't going to contribute very much. furthermore as the final ranking, once again, is relative to the population, with that low trait number, he's probably going to be ranked near the bottom.
valuing the trait the same as each individual attribute will most likely increase the 31.76 rating, but it will probably make no difference in his ranking relative to the others.
Post by: King Mir on June 16, 2012, 03:59:13 pm
In-this-way meaning lumped in this fashion. I'm not arguing that traits influence certain elements of the game.I don't see the problem. Melee soldier is an unusual role because no melee soldier will use all of the skills listed under the role. So using it as a model for how other roles should behave is a bad idea. However, given this particular fact, having the 1 associated trait be 6 times more important than all the military skills makes sense, assuming that the relative importance of traits to skills should be 1 to 1 in the first place.
I felt it was rude that this fella comes in and completely invalidates the points I was making, despite my presenting evidence that one trait (or the lack thereof) influenced role score by a full 60 (!!!) points.
I quite simply find your point to be wrong. I suppose I could have elaborated more on why I found it wrong, but that would require anticipating your objections, and in this case I would not have properly. Please don't take offense to my brevity. And don't take offense in that I disagree with you.
EDIT:
It's also possible to add aspect group weights to to individual roles, like is done for Lawdwarf, and for this role it might be a good idea to do so. It might be better to split the role into 1 for each weapon type though.
Post by: splinterz on June 16, 2012, 04:20:14 pm
Post by: King Mir on June 16, 2012, 04:27:40 pm
Post by: khearn on June 17, 2012, 12:38:47 am
Post by: splinterz on June 17, 2012, 03:17:57 am
Post by: miscsubbin on June 17, 2012, 11:15:59 am
Post by: King Mir on June 17, 2012, 12:53:31 pm
hrmm what about leaving the generic melee/ranged military roles in the default roles tab, add individual weapon skill roles to the military tab, and put the noble roles first on the default tab, followed by the civilian roles?How about making the roles tab look like the labors tab, except with a purple category for nobles at the end (so that most of the rest of is the same), and an other category too for roles that are neither noble related nor map to labors?
Post by: splinterz on June 17, 2012, 01:14:22 pm
Post by: King Mir on June 17, 2012, 01:26:00 pm
Post by: splinterz on June 17, 2012, 01:28:08 pm
Post by: darkrider2 on June 17, 2012, 02:25:24 pm
Also the therapist somehow allowed me to rename some merchant bodyguard dwarves from a caravan, but only after said guards had killed a couple goblins, I could also set their labors, it didn't change anything in-game other than their name, and it confused me for a while.
Post by: DuineAnaithnid on June 17, 2012, 10:59:35 pm
Post by: King Mir on June 17, 2012, 11:40:52 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on June 18, 2012, 02:26:54 am
Dwarves have a Push/Guide Minecart job somewhere in the labors tab, but I couldn't find it as a settable labor in the therapist. Is this supported in the current version?
Also the therapist somehow allowed me to rename some merchant bodyguard dwarves from a caravan, but only after said guards had killed a couple goblins, I could also set their labors, it didn't change anything in-game other than their name, and it confused me for a while.
I'm not sure the official DT supports the new jobs, splinterz certainly does.
I've had that merchant issue pop up before, but only once.
Post by: splinterz on June 18, 2012, 02:51:25 am
should i add armor and shield skills to all weapon roles (axedwarf, speardwarf..) or only the weapon skill itself?
should it be sorted by total skill experience, and then role rating, or sorted by whether they have any experience at all, and then role rating? the latter is subtly different in that dwarves with any xp at all are still at the top of the list, but they're sorted by role rating (labor columns currently sort like this).
Post by: SmileyMan on June 18, 2012, 06:37:12 am
Welcome to 1955
Um, welcome to last year?
Um, welcome to 1998.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htoFkn6S0H8
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Sorry for crap video but the alternative is a 6 minute video.
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Post by: TerryDactyl on June 18, 2012, 09:02:50 am
i'm working on adding role information to the tooltips of the military tab columns, rather than a complete additional set of role columns as it's redundant. however this brings up a few questions on preference:
should i add armor and shield skills to all weapon roles (axedwarf, speardwarf..) or only the weapon skill itself?
should it be sorted by total skill experience, and then role rating, or sorted by whether they have any experience at all, and then role rating? the latter is subtly different in that dwarves with any xp at all are still at the top of the list, but they're sorted by role rating (labor columns currently sort like this).
Pretty tricky issue, since military/squad customizations are going to be different for every player, if not every game. A long-term goal may be to read the uniforms from memory and create dynamic roles based on what's there. And then... custom weights, since players may prefer high dodging/agility on their leather users, high toughness/endurance on their tin can soldiers, and so on and so forth.
*waves a magic wand*
Post by: splinterz on June 18, 2012, 09:32:22 am
reading uniforms won't get around the problem of subjectivity you've mentioned. just because you'd like to assign dodge to all leather wearing melee soldiers, doesn't mean the next guy will. i don't intend to try and dynamically create dozens combat role combinations hoping that one will fit the player's ideals, that's what the custom roles, or tweaking default roles, is for.
Post by: King Mir on June 18, 2012, 10:54:15 am
should i add armor and shield skills to all weapon roles (axedwarf, speardwarf..) or only the weapon skill itself?I would say do add shield and armor skills to all weapon roles.
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should it be sorted by total skill experience, and then role rating, or sorted by whether they have any experience at all, and then role rating? the latter is subtly different in that dwarves with any xp at all are still at the top of the list, but they're sorted by role rating (labor columns currently sort like this).That's the problem with using the skill indicators to also show roles. A dwarf with experience should be the most fit for the job, so would appear on the top of the role rating anyway, under default settings. And if that's not the case, then clearly the player thinks that some other qualities, other than experience are more important and has balanced the roles for that. But if the display shows the skills, not the role, then you'd expect it to sort by experience first.
That's why I think you need separate columns for military skills and roles. They show different information.
Post by: splinterz on June 18, 2012, 11:03:48 am
Post by: khearn on June 18, 2012, 12:15:19 pm
Post by: splinterz on June 18, 2012, 01:25:14 pm
it's win-win for myself, but i'll have to include an option for those who want to keep skill column solely for showing skills. as a side bonus it should also work on all the social tab columns too, finally that tab may be useful! :P
Post by: King Mir on June 18, 2012, 02:03:57 pm
Allow DT to reconnect to DF when DF restarts without doing a failed read. This could be done by not disabling the connect button when connected, or by changing it to a reconnect button.
yeah but it'll be the same kind of option that's there for showing role information in the labor columns. the more i look at it, it just seems to make sense to sort by role, and keeping anyone with any experience up at the top. i haven't heard any complaints about the labor columns which do the same type of thing. it's still very obvious with the drawing methods who has higher a skill, but at a glance i can also tell who the best fits for the associated role(s) are.I think it's important to allow sorting by roles only, not just sorting by skills then roles. That doesn't apply to the labor tab, because the role tab exists. But if the military roles are moved to the military tab, we don't want to lose the ability to sort by roles.
it's win-win for myself, but i'll have to include an option for those who want to keep skill column solely for showing skills. as a side bonus it should also work on all the social tab columns too, finally that tab may be useful! :P
Post by: Intrinsic on June 18, 2012, 03:25:50 pm
And are you aware the alert on lost connection doesn't work a lot of the time these days? i think since v10 or v11. Can't remember if this coincided with 34.11 release or not, but i think so. I've seen it literally only once since it's release.
Post by: Isher on June 18, 2012, 04:57:07 pm
But seriously, is it possible to create a program that will do that? I imagine it would take a lot of work, I just don't know how much it would take, and I am curious.
Post by: TerryDactyl on June 18, 2012, 08:36:11 pm
I've got this dwarf, basically just endurance that's in the red, and no value provided for 'rage'. I've set the weights as follows:
Attributes: 1
Skills: 0 (because I have yet to embark)
Traits: 0
I modified the default 'melee soldier' to weigh double on recuperation, saved it, copied the parameter set, removed 'rage' from traits and called it 'calm soldier'.
Ratings:
Calm soldier: 83.66
Melee soldier: 29.97
Weight for 'traits' was initially set to 0.15, but when I noticed what little effect it was having, I tried pulling it right down to 0, and.... the ratings did not change.
solved: I was only changing 'default' roles, which does not retroactively change the custom 'melee soldier' role.
when 'melee soldier' trait-weights are properly assigned to 0.14, the difference in ratings is reduced to 2.5 (calm:83.66, melee:81.16)
Post by: splinterz on June 19, 2012, 01:59:27 pm
- added new default military-alt view which includes individual weapon roles
- color coded the existing default roles tab to match the labor colors/ordering
- added a ton more default roles for individual crafting labors and weapon skills
- added teacher, student, armor, shield roles to default military tab
- added option to apply gradients on happiness, job and enabled labor cells
- grids/views remember their group setting
- updated sleep, beer icon and fixed milking job icon
- added option to show role information in skill columns
- column header text is always centered
- added option choose column header font
- cell drawing stuff is properly centered once again
- fixed cell drawing/painting (borders, sizes)
- pets are no longer butcherable, indicated by a red shaded square
- DF connection alert will occur immediately now upon DF exiting
- on break and idle will sort/group separately
- fixed a bug causing the details pane to show multiple dwarf details (i think this will resolve the re-sizing issue, let me know if it doesn't)
- fixed role sorting in context menus
- when changing a nickname the current nickname is shown in the edit box
- dwarf name on the details pane is now word wrapped
Project Home // Download (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes)
Post by: Somnus on June 19, 2012, 03:47:55 pm
EDIT: Okay I found the executable and I get this:
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2012-Jun-19 16:55:52.787 INFO core Dwarf Therapist "0.6.12" starting normally. [src/dwarftherapist.cpp:103] (setup_logging)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:52.885 INFO core Loaded 8 views from disk [src/viewmanager.cpp:134] (reload_views)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:52.886 DEBUG core group_by now set to 0 [src/models/dwarfmodel.cpp:624] (set_group_by)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:52.889 DEBUG core group_by now set to 0 [src/models/dwarfmodel.cpp:624] (set_group_by)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:52.889 DEBUG core "redrew views in 4ms" [src/viewmanager.cpp:254] (draw_views)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.002 DEBUG core setting up connections for MainWindow [src/mainwindow.cpp:124] (MainWindow)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.005 DEBUG core group_by now set to 8 [src/models/dwarfmodel.cpp:624] (set_group_by)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.005 DEBUG core group_by now set to 8 [src/models/dwarfmodel.cpp:624] (set_group_by)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.005 DEBUG core beginning to read settings [src/dwarftherapist.cpp:125] (read_settings)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.005 DEBUG core finished reading settings [src/dwarftherapist.cpp:173] (read_settings)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.034 DEBUG core attempting connection to running DF game [src/mainwindow.cpp:243] (connect_to_df)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.036 ERROR core No valid memory layouts found in the following directories... () [src/dfinstance.cpp:113] (DFInstance)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.055 DEBUG core executable "0x08048000-0x08eac000 (15,089,664 bytes) /home/zach/Games/Dwarf Fortress/libs/Dwarf_Fortress HEAP: 0" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:436] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.067 ERROR core Could not attach to PID 22625 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:197] (attach)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.067 ERROR core Unable to open "/proc/22625/mem" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:230] (read_raw)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.067 DEBUG core base_addr: 0 HEX 0 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:356] (find_running_copy)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.103 DEBUG core DF's checksum is "0x71406692" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:360] (find_running_copy)
2012-Jun-19 16:55:53.103 INFO core Dwarf fortress path: "/home/zach/Games/Dwarf Fortress" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:367] (find_running_copy)I found instructions on how you can get the memory layout and what not from here: http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/MappingNewVersion
I'll try this real quick!
Second Edit:
Well, that didn't work. Any ideas? When I try to run the bin/release/DwarfTherapist executable the window pops up, then closes immediately
Post by: khearn on June 19, 2012, 04:16:07 pm
It will complain about not finding the logfile, but that's (mostly) harmless. If you mkdir log in the top directory you can avoid that warning, too.
I just built version 14 and it seems to work fine. Haven't had enough chance to play with it to give much feedback. I'm at work, so compiling doesn't raise any eyebrows, but playing DF or using DT would get noticed. The Military-alt tab looks pretty nice at first glance. Sleep icon is better, but is the same as rest. Maybe rest should be a red cross? But it needs to be distinct from the red X for "no job". Maybe a brighter red, or just bigger?
BTW, splinterz, is there any way to tell what version of your code one if running? Help->about just says VERSION 0.6.12. It would be nice if you added a line with your version under that.
Post by: Somnus on June 19, 2012, 04:18:44 pm
Post by: Somnus on June 19, 2012, 04:26:59 pm
I do have one other, pretty minor question. If I try to run it without sudo it'll load up and be skinned with my system theme, however it wont' be allowed to access DF to grab the dwarf data. If I run it with sudo however, it will access the data, but it skins looking like something from Windows 95. Any idea why this is or how to correct it?
Post by: King Mir on June 19, 2012, 05:57:18 pm
Post by: Peaceful Slugman on June 20, 2012, 12:06:44 pm
Hrm. I got it working after rebuilding it. Dont' know why, but as long as it works, that's okay!
I do have one other, pretty minor question. If I try to run it without sudo it'll load up and be skinned with my system theme, however it wont' be allowed to access DF to grab the dwarf data. If I run it with sudo however, it will access the data, but it skins looking like something from Windows 95. Any idea why this is or how to correct it?
breadman wrote up a bash script that allows one to run therapist without sudo. The script allows you to get around ptrace, which blocks the non-sudo program from accessing DF memory, and you won't need to use sudo anymore.
His post is here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65326.msg2565429#msg2565429
I have been getting trouble adapting his solution to work with dfhack, though... replacing df with dfhack doesn't work as well as I would like... I wish I knew more about bash scripting.
Post by: ag on June 20, 2012, 12:59:00 pm
Post by: King Mir on June 20, 2012, 01:04:36 pm
Post by: Somnus on June 20, 2012, 04:27:10 pm
breadman wrote up a bash script that allows one to run therapist without sudo. The script allows you to get around ptrace, which blocks the non-sudo program from accessing DF memory, and you won't need to use sudo anymore.
His post is here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65326.msg2565429#msg2565429
I have been getting trouble adapting his solution to work with dfhack, though... replacing df with dfhack doesn't work as well as I would like... I wish I knew more about bash scripting.
That worked perfectly for me, thank you.
Post by: Peaceful Slugman on June 20, 2012, 05:43:17 pm
When I replace df with dfhack in breadman's script, I get "DFhack do help or ? for the list of available commands" repeated in the terminal many times per second ad infinitum, and thus dfhack is unusable.
Post by: Xen0n on June 20, 2012, 06:28:46 pm
alright, new version!
- added new default military-alt view which includes individual weapon roles
- color coded the existing default roles tab to match the labor colors/ordering
- added a ton more default roles for individual crafting labors and weapon skills
- added teacher, student, armor, shield roles to default military tab
- added option to apply gradients on happiness, job and enabled labor cells
- grids/views remember their group setting
- updated sleep, beer icon and fixed milking job icon
- added option to show role information in skill columns
- column header text is always centered
- added option choose column header font
- cell drawing stuff is properly centered once again
- fixed cell drawing/painting (borders, sizes)
- pets are no longer butcherable, indicated by a red shaded square
- DF connection alert will occur immediately now upon DF exiting
- on break and idle will sort/group separately
- fixed a bug causing the details pane to show multiple dwarf details (i think this will resolve the re-sizing issue, let me know if it doesn't)
- fixed role sorting in context menus
- when changing a nickname the current nickname is shown in the edit box
- dwarf name on the details pane is now word wrapped
Project Home // Download (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes)
Really appreciate it; has made my dorfing much easier and enjoyable!
One question, on the project page, where it says "see commit log for offset changes," if I don't know exactly what this means and can't find a 'commit log,' does that mean I don't need to worry about it? (i.e. it's intended for modders or something beyond my skill level) :P
Also, I assume I can use this with 34.07, based on the project page?
Post by: thistleknot on June 20, 2012, 06:51:40 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on June 21, 2012, 12:27:52 am
Post by: splinterz on June 21, 2012, 02:26:45 am
Really appreciate it; has made my dorfing much easier and enjoyable!
One question, on the project page, where it says "see commit log for offset changes," if I don't know exactly what this means and can't find a 'commit log,' does that mean I don't need to worry about it? (i.e. it's intended for modders or something beyond my skill level) :P
Also, I assume I can use this with 34.07, based on the project page?
i try to make note of the offset changes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/list) and their dfhack references primarily for ag as he's been generating layout files from the dfhack structures (https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures), which is incredibly helpful when updates are released. it should be fine with 34.07, although i haven't tested that version extensively, so if you find something amiss let me know.
Looks like a great update Splinterz!
I really like your role view, I was doing something similar with my spreadsheet... so nice!
thanks! :D
Post by: Intrinsic on June 21, 2012, 03:38:51 am
Post by: ag on June 21, 2012, 03:50:17 am
i try to make note of the offset changes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/list) and their dfhack references primarily for ag as he's been generating layout files from the dfhack structures (https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures), which is incredibly helpful when updates are released. it should be fine with 34.07, although i haven't tested that version extensively, so if you find something amiss let me know.
There is so much going on in this thread that I can't always watch for changes. It may be better if you cloned the structures and patched the perl script. It is pretty straightforward for the most part:
https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/blob/master/make-dt.pl (https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures/blob/master/make-dt.pl)
Also, one suggestion: don't change the meaning of old offsets under the same name, like with 'name' in squad_offsets. That is the only type of change that blocks using the same ini file with all DT versions.
Post by: khearn on June 21, 2012, 10:41:30 am
Post by: Xen0n on June 21, 2012, 09:46:22 pm
i try to make note of the offset changes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/list) and their dfhack references primarily for ag as he's been generating layout files from the dfhack structures (https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures), which is incredibly helpful when updates are released. it should be fine with 34.07, although i haven't tested that version extensively, so if you find something amiss let me know.
Ah, thanks! Really digging all the little UI upgrades, even on 34.07! The nicknames glitch fix and "On Break" vs. "Idle" are awesome too!
So far I've noticed that unlike other nobles, monarchs / royalty don't seem to get get highlighted with their special colours (not really important to me, just messing around with all the cool features :D). Not sure if that's just since I'm using 34.07, though.
Thanks again for all the work put into this!
Post by: thistleknot on June 21, 2012, 10:30:55 pm
it still keeps crashing after sorting by labors...
I click on a labor to sort
which does one of 3 things
works...
works and resizes the first row height if the dwarf is a noble (which doesn't happen if not in the first row).
or crashes.
damn, extra rework of loading filter scripts and re-assigning labors.
love it tho!
Post by: Argelle on June 22, 2012, 01:30:52 am
Just reporting a minor glitch: when assigning a Dwarf into a squad, the page goes blank (except header) and one needs to change tab (military -> labor -> military) to get the list back on.
BTW I like the advances in splinter's branch, the new military-alt is useful for displaying different infos.
Post by: Tierre on June 22, 2012, 02:06:47 am
Post by: Intrinsic on June 22, 2012, 05:37:20 am
Hello :)
Just reporting a minor glitch: when assigning a Dwarf into a squad, the page goes blank (except header) and one needs to change tab (military -> labor -> military) to get the list back on.
BTW I like the advances in splinter's branch, the new military-alt is useful for displaying different infos.
Yeah this is a pain :) Clicking read dwarves works too.
Post by: splinterz on June 22, 2012, 05:45:19 am
@thistleknot: i'm unable to reproduce this with or without filter scripts running. are you sure this isn't related to the extra stuff you've patched in?
@Tierre: more than likely it's a flag issue. DT uses death/killed flags to filter out those dwarves. i'll have to see if i can find out what flags Jdwarf is setting
@Xen0n: i don't currently have a fort with a monarch to test with, so if you wouldn't mind uploading your save i'll get to the bottom of the highlighting issue. otherwise it might be a while ;)
Post by: Tierre on June 22, 2012, 05:50:18 am
Post by: splinterz on June 22, 2012, 06:01:30 am
Thanks Splinterz:) Actually funny thing - this is a Jdwarf bug:) It should heal, but can resurrect ercently deceased too (author didn't intended that to be i think). Masterwork mod has interactions on resurrecting dwarfes - will DT see those too? I think it is really interesting to see how DT reacts to resurrection by any means, not only Jdwarf:) But that's really not urgent;)
yeah i took a quick look and he's setting the dead flag, but DT also checks a killed flag which may cause it them to not show. you can test whether or not it's this specific flag by editing the layout file for the version you're running in the memory layout folder, and changing the [invalid_flags_2] section to this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: actually Tierre, it would be easier just to edit JDwarf.lua and add this line:
unit.flags2.killed=false
after
unit.flags1.dead=false
Post by: Tierre on June 22, 2012, 07:14:48 am
Post by: thistleknot on June 22, 2012, 07:51:26 am
@thistleknot: i'm unable to reproduce this with or without filter scripts running. are you sure this isn't related to the extra stuff you've in?
Aww damn, no I'm not.
Post by: thistleknot on June 22, 2012, 08:46:17 am
A number next to a labor to show how many of that labor is assigned (in the current view grid).
It's actually so when I find I need to unassign some labors', I can start from the highest count first.
Post by: Xen0n on June 22, 2012, 09:46:12 am
@Argelle: thanks for the report, i'll have a fix up for the squad assignment asap
@Xen0n: i don't currently have a fort with a monarch to test with, so if you wouldn't mind uploading your save i'll get to the bottom of the highlighting issue. otherwise it might be a while ;)
Here's the save (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6546), using the latest version of Splinterz DT. I have a few Mods installed (Modest Mod (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=105871), Higher Learning (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60853.0), Seasonal Crops (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61293.0)) and one or two tweaks (I want me some war wolves).
I also noticed that same, "page goes blank" when assigning dwarves to squads, but like Intrinsic says, doing another Read or switching tabs refreshes the page.
Thanks again!
Post by: Bifidus on June 22, 2012, 01:06:16 pm
So, here is my problem : the last version of splinterz DT do not sort columns, most of the time. It's a new problem, previous version was ok. I use no other mod, i play under windows (any chance to have a linux version of DT - for ubuntu users, the kind who absolutely don't understand anything to things like "compile" "make" and other nighmares... ?).
Good luck !
Post by: splinterz on June 22, 2012, 02:34:46 pm
Glad to see there's a place to report bugs for splinterz version of DT (i should have searched here first ^^) - but use of the google code site web feature to track bugs would be better, imo.
So, here is my problem : the last version of splinterz DT do not sort columns, most of the time. It's a new problem, previous version was ok. I use no other mod, i play under windows (any chance to have a linux version of DT - for ubuntu users, the kind who absolutely don't understand anything to things like "compile" "make" and other nighmares... ?).
Good luck !
as far as i'm aware google code doesn't support issue tracking on project clones, hence the lack of issue tracking. can you elaborate more on exactly how to reproduce the problem? what columns (labor, skills, roles, all?) is this happening on windows an ubuntu?
Post by: Bifidus on June 22, 2012, 03:27:56 pm
Without Wine ? How ?
And i just discover my problem isn't really one... when a job is inactivate, DT seem to prefer sorting by attribute than by level of the job. It's not a bug, it's a feature ? ;) It could make sense but... can we have that behaviour as an option ?
Thank you again for the good job (having theses "Dwarven Guidance Counselor" features again are so cool, and far better directly in DT).
Post by: splinterz on June 22, 2012, 03:37:06 pm
I can use it on Ubuntu ? :o
Without Wine ? How ?
And i just discover my problem isn't really one... when a job is inactivate, DT seem to prefer sorting by attribute than by level of the job. It's not a bug, it's a feature ? ;) It could make sense but... can we have that behaviour as an option ?
Thank you again for the good job (having theses "Dwarven Guidance Counselor" features again are so cool, and far better directly in DT).
there are some instructions here (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist) that should work. i think i know what you mean about the sorting. it will sort labor columns by 'labor enabled' and then by role rating. skill columns are sorted by 'has any experience at all' and then by role rating. you can turn off both these features under options->roles.
thanks for the kind words :)
Post by: khearn on June 22, 2012, 03:38:24 pm
Don't thank me, just send some money to splinterz. :)
(darn, ninja'd by splinterz)
Post by: thistleknot on June 22, 2012, 06:39:25 pm
I know the reason they are in place, but it's throwing me of from my optimal labor assignments with low populations. At such low populations I'll accept the risk.
Post by: splinterz on June 23, 2012, 11:18:08 am
- all nobles (including lords/ladies) should be identified properly now
- fixed the issue with the views going blank after assigning/removing from squads
- added tooltips to labor column headers showing how many dwarves currently have the labor enabled
- added an additional option to show the enabled labor count on the column header text (ie. 5 Mining, 17 Woodcutting..)
- added an option to ignore exclusive labors
- adjusted stuffs on the dwarf details pane gui
- updated/added a few icons
- about dialog shows branch version
Project Home // Download (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
thanks again for all the feedback! it was a bit of a rush (but i really wanted to fix that cursed squad issue) so please let me know if i broke anything else in the process! :D
Post by: Xen0n on June 23, 2012, 12:09:52 pm
- added tooltips to labor column headers showing how many dwarves currently have the labor enabled
- added an additional option to show the enabled labor count on the column header text (ie. 5 Mining, 17 Woodcutting..)
I'm always having to switch back to the "Nothing" sort list to find out how many leatherworkers I currently have etc., this will help a lot!
Post by: splinterz on June 23, 2012, 12:13:17 pm
Thanks again! Especially for:
- added tooltips to labor column headers showing how many dwarves currently have the labor enabled
- added an additional option to show the enabled labor count on the column header text (ie. 5 Mining, 17 Woodcutting..)
I'm always having to switch back to the "Nothing" sort list to find out how many leatherworkers I currently have etc., this will help a lot!
yeah i know what you mean :) by the way, thanks for that save (bonus points for the alliteration) it helped out a ton with the noble stuff and adjusting the details pane for those dwarves with massive nicknames
Post by: Xen0n on June 23, 2012, 12:32:07 pm
Thanks again! Especially for:
- added tooltips to labor column headers showing how many dwarves currently have the labor enabled
- added an additional option to show the enabled labor count on the column header text (ie. 5 Mining, 17 Woodcutting..)
I'm always having to switch back to the "Nothing" sort list to find out how many leatherworkers I currently have etc., this will help a lot!
yeah i know what you mean :) by the way, thanks for that save (bonus points for the alliteration) it helped out a ton with the noble stuff and adjusting the details pane for those dwarves with massive nicknames
Of course! (http://i.imgur.com/6hwcL.png)
Haha, yeah I began to notice some of my soldiers racked up some big nicknames, edging all columns over to the right in the labor view.
And as for alliteration, I assumed anything aside from an almost audacious amount of audibly alike words to not be adequately awesome.
Post by: splinteredmind on June 23, 2012, 02:44:13 pm
- Splinter
Post by: Intrinsic on June 23, 2012, 03:42:32 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: splinterz on June 23, 2012, 03:58:33 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on June 23, 2012, 04:04:34 pm
Post by: splinterz on June 23, 2012, 04:14:06 pm
Yeah load up DF, load in fort, then start up DT and that's what i get :) i tried changing the Group By to different stuff but nothing makes a difference with regards to the names and it trying to set nickname many many times, although as you can see the Commit Changes button isn't even highlighted.
see if this build resolves it. (https://rapidshare.com/files/272912307/Dwarf_Therapist-15.1.zip)
Post by: Intrinsic on June 23, 2012, 04:46:36 pm
Yeah load up DF, load in fort, then start up DT and that's what i get :) i tried changing the Group By to different stuff but nothing makes a difference with regards to the names and it trying to set nickname many many times, although as you can see the Commit Changes button isn't even highlighted.
see if this build resolves it. (https://rapidshare.com/files/272912307/Dwarf_Therapist-15.1.zip)
Seems to, although haven't had a chance to use it for anything, it's time for my beauty sleep, should get a chance to try it tomorrow.
Post by: thistleknot on June 23, 2012, 05:30:39 pm
#1.
When I go to assign my "blank" custom profession, it loops indefinately.
My custom profession is no labors enabled (I use it to start re-assigning my labors).
...
Oh shit... it did finally work.
Okay, takes WAY TOO LONG. Before it would be immediately, now it took almost 2 minutes to complete.
#2.
Btw, it's still doing that noble resizing [when noble is first position in list] (and it's your unadulterated version).
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Update: cell size was too small, increase cell size (not font) fixes
#3
Btw, it's still crashing when I do the sorts inbetween labor assignments
Here's what I do:
I set a filter script
d.total_assigned_labors()<5
//&&
//!d.labor_enabled(00)
//&&
//!d.labor_enabled(44)
and then I start assigning labor's one at a time:
latest example was:
clear all labors to blanker's (i.e. custom profession, no labors).
Then...
I sort by mining, set 10
sort by farming, set 10
sort by role metalsmith, select top 7, jump back to labor grid, right click on weaponsmith's (placeholder for later assigning to metalsmithing custom profession, but that's irrelevant).
sort by leatherworking... pauses... then crashes.
have to reload my filter script upon reload of DT
Update:
The crash seems to happen when I jump from a role view to a labor view and then try to sort.
Update:
I think it crashes because from the last set of dwarf's I have highlighted (that I selected from the roles grid view) are still selected when I attempt a new sort in the labor view. I deselected the dwarf's by clicking on a new dwarf, and then I was able to sort in the labor grid view immediately after the role grid view sort.
Update: Splinterz is aware of bug and is not it. Yay!
Note:
It would be nice to incorporate Shish's patch file to assign top x # of dwarf's to a role, but it's kind of a pain because you have to minimize the current grouping of dwarf's to assign it... that's why I was pushing for a total # of dwarf's selected option as well.
#4
Lastly:
nevermind, noble highlights is for militia leaders
Post by: thistleknot on June 24, 2012, 02:24:20 pm
Exclude nobles filter function?
Would be nice to not see them when I'm sorting by total assigned labors... Although, if it's too much a pain, noble highlighting serves same function.
Post by: splinterz on June 24, 2012, 04:30:16 pm
- fixed performance issues when changing multiple labors on multiple dwarves at once (this includes custom professions)
- fixed crash when attempting to set labors immediately after committing pending changes
- noble positions can be checked from scripts with d.noble_position()
Project Home // Download (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: Sutremaine on June 24, 2012, 05:08:17 pm
I'm using v15.2.
Post by: splinterz on June 24, 2012, 05:31:55 pm
Where are you getting the info for weapon sizing? I bought a halberd from the human caravan and nobody wants to equip it. DT seems able to tell whether a dwarf will multigrasp a longsword or pick, and I can get dwarves to equip them with no problem. It's just the human-sized weapons giving me trouble. With 34 dwarves I'd expect at least one of them to be 5% bigger than the average dwarf, so I'm not sure where the problem really is.
I'm using v15.2.
it reads in the raws for the weapon details, and then compares that to the size of the dwarf.
see:
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Weapon_token
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Weapon#Size
Post by: Sutremaine on June 24, 2012, 06:39:48 pm
Post by: splinterz on June 24, 2012, 06:46:39 pm
So the size of a dwarf is a number that DT reads? I know how weapon sizing works, I'm just trying to figure out why they're ignoring the halberd.
exactly, it reads the size of the dwarf, and the weapon columns compare their size to the weapons' 1h/2h minimum required sizes
Post by: Sutremaine on June 24, 2012, 07:05:17 pm
Post by: splinterz on June 24, 2012, 07:07:21 pm
Alright then, seems like it's purely an in-game problem.
couldn't it just be bad luck that you don't have a dwarf large enough to use it yet?
Post by: Sutremaine on June 24, 2012, 09:02:58 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
All three military dwarves should be large enough. The comment about expecting at least one of thirty-four dwarves being able to wield a halberd was just in case DT was reading the dwarves wrong, but if it's looking at a number provided by the game itself then there shouldn't be an issue.
Post by: Sarkovar on June 24, 2012, 11:06:42 pm
Post by: splinterz on June 25, 2012, 07:25:53 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
All three military dwarves should be large enough. The comment about expecting at least one of thirty-four dwarves being able to wield a halberd was just in case DT was reading the dwarves wrong, but if it's looking at a number provided by the game itself then there shouldn't be an issue.
hrmm i've had a chance to do a bit of testing, and i think you're on to something. DT reads the broadness and height from memory, but how they're applied may be incorrect. i'm going to do some more testing and see if i can figure out what's going on.
edit: i'm actually using your work from here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=101379.msg3029579#msg3029579) but i'm wondering if perhaps they need both broadness and height over the minimum weapon sizes...
edit2: i've just found your thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=112093) about the problem...
Post by: splinterz on June 25, 2012, 08:15:22 am
- weapon column tooltips show dwarf and weapon sizes
- fixed issue with vertical scrollbars not scrolling to the last position after a read
- fixed incorrect italicized font on some dwarf names
Project Home // Download (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: thistleknot on June 25, 2012, 09:29:16 am
Btw, I now only use your version. I don't bother with the patches I had before, yours seems to work well enough with my own sheets.
I'd still like:
1. an assign top x number of (visible) dwarf's per labor option, i.e. I have a filter excluding dwarf's over x number of labors, so what I see on the screen is what I want to assign, I sort by labor, and then choose the top x (x varies per labor) number of dwarf's that r at the top of my sort. It would be a lot faster if I didn't have to do the sort as well as the counting of those top x (I sent a patch file that Shish had, this kind of does it, but I have to do two things with it, filter by race, minimize the grouping, then sort by labor, then I can right click a box by the race grouping underneath the labor column, and choose assign top x, enter a number, hit enter, commit... but as soon as I do this, I have to repeat those steps for the next labor, very tedious).
2. and somewhere on the screen showing the number of currently selected dwarf's (so I can stop counting them manually).
Update:
I've decided to use shish's patch, it's too much of pain not to with the way I assign labors.
BUILD BABY BUILD!
Post by: thistleknot on June 25, 2012, 08:49:38 pm
I want to make new script, but the old one get's overwritten :(
I remember this happening with an older version...
sometimes the only way to get around it was to close, and reopen and create a new one.
Post by: JarinArenos on June 25, 2012, 10:34:10 pm
Edit: Just saw the thread in the gameplay questions forum. I'll track the discussion there.
Post by: Canageek on June 26, 2012, 05:00:23 pm
Thanks; Sorry if I didn't take the time to read 150+ pages looking for this, but I'm hoping with all the people here I'll have an answer soon.
Post by: thistleknot on June 26, 2012, 05:57:13 pm
Alright, so splinterz puts out an awesome variant of DT from what I can see, with on problem: When I click on a column header in the labour tab, it doesn't sort the dwarves by skill anymore. Right now, if I click on Blacksmith, it puts my 7 Blacksmith at the top, but leaves my 2 Blacksmith who doesn't have the labour assigned down near the bottom; Is there a way to get this to go back to the vanillia DT behaviour? I liked having that for assigning more and less of a labour as needed, and checking if I should replace dwarves with my new migrants.
Thanks; Sorry if I didn't take the time to read 150+ pages looking for this, but I'm hoping with all the people here I'll have an answer soon.
I was thinking about that as well, basically the labors are based on roles rather than skills (or use an old version)
You can get around that by setting the global weights for roles as such, traits:0, skills: 1, attributes: 0.
I prefer the new method though, that's the whole point, the old version only relied on skills.
Post by: Canageek on June 26, 2012, 05:58:53 pm
Post by: thistleknot on June 26, 2012, 06:01:31 pm
sumif in ods wasn't working right, here is an excel and ods file
http://www.mediafire.com/?3fjh9p62yw25xme
http://www.mediafire.com/?usyu3qcwie5qikk
hopefully you can figure it out, but basically I have the labors on the second sheet setup the way I want it, the order is based on the variables assigned in the first sheet (based on the MPWeight column), you can just ignore this and reorder the labors on the second sheet to your liking.
The bordered box's on the second sheet is what you set, and the gray column represents the # of dwarf's you should assign to each labor.
The jobs per box is a filter you need to set in the script editor as such
d.total_assigned_labors()<5
and start assigning labors one at at time!
btw my filter script looks like this (for miners vs ambushers vs woodcutters, I edit as needed when I assign those labors)
d.total_assigned_labors()<5
//&&
//(!d.labor_enabled(00))
//&&
//(!d.labor_enabled(44))
Post by: thistleknot on June 26, 2012, 06:03:05 pm
Can you point me to a wiki page explaining how the traits and attributes factor into a Dwarf doing his or her job?
check each labor on the wiki
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Wood_cutter
you'll see attributes listed.
The traits... well, those are guess's. I don't know what traits are set for most of them (if any), but I do know that the Chief Medical Dwarf has helpful set.
The melee soldier I created has quite a few traits, one of which is rage :)
Post by: splinterz on June 26, 2012, 06:17:13 pm
Post by: Canageek on June 26, 2012, 06:59:07 pm
Post by: splinterz on June 26, 2012, 07:23:31 pm
Post by: Canageek on June 26, 2012, 07:25:40 pm
Post by: thistleknot on June 26, 2012, 07:28:38 pm
Don't do that splinterz...
that would screw me all up...
:(
I like skills, don't get me wrong, but then I can't assign directly from the labors screen (based on role, I'd have to jump back and forth)
Give me an option please!
And... I think it would be nice to have a legendary superseding all else as being a 100% fit :)
Or a 99.99% fit maybe?
Wait:
I don't know if I got that correctly, sounds like something totally diff... but the 99.99% fit I think is a good idea for those with legendary skill, it just means there attributes/traits aren't 100% (or something similar to 99.99%, maybe 99% for skill only? I dunno).
Post by: Canageek on June 26, 2012, 07:34:55 pm
Post by: splinterz on June 26, 2012, 07:48:42 pm
I mean, if a 0 skill dwarf IS actually better then 12, sure, I'll make that guy my carver, but it seems...unlikely. Or is DF just that non-intuitive?
it's really pretty subjective. if you care more about attributes and traits, then yes it's possible for 0 skill to be better than 12. depending on what weights you set for the different aspects, you'll can potentially have completely opposite role rankings.
i think the problem right now is that the sorting isn't intuitive. a labor column has 3 different data it can be sorted on: labor enabled, skill level and role rating, which is why i'll probably have to add more sort options as aforementioned.
Post by: thistleknot on June 26, 2012, 08:53:45 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on June 27, 2012, 01:45:51 am
I mean, if a 0 skill dwarf IS actually better then 12, sure, I'll make that guy my carver, but it seems...unlikely. Or is DF just that non-intuitive?
Toady stated in a FotF post that skills > attributes. But there is a cut off point where attribs will enable your guy to skill up fasters. For example if you get a migrant with 5 or 6 in a skill then stick with him unless his attributes really suck, ie for a crafter creativity is a very important stat which is why it's valued in DT as being twice as important, so DT would rate him down anyways but eventually his skill would override the creativity.
Agility is another attrib people favour highly, as it dictates a dwarves "speed". Not just in running around but every action(skills) ie swinging something(weapon/pick) and of course because they move faster they'll skill up faster, ie going to and from stockpile to workshop.
Post by: Argelle on June 27, 2012, 05:59:12 am
btw, I'm still having occasionall crashes, but I'd have to send you a save, and a video to show you where, cuz it's only when i'm assigning militia.
I think it did happen to me as well, during LONG sessions of DF and lots of fiddling with therapist for squads, plus moving a militia captain by mistake from his squad to another (got a warning message from therapist). Hence I more or less stopped assigning squads or nickname with therapist, but use it to have the dwarf listed as I want somewhere on my screen, and doing the job inside DF.
Problem is, it's difficult to reproduce the crash, going back to the last save and trying to repeat the same actions more (except for moving the captain) or less, never got me to a second crash. Therefore, difficult to put the blame on DT.
EDIT: minor bug, monkey not showing ("stray ??")
(http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/519b97cf-f57c-4609-ba88-041ef3b1023f.jpg) (http://tof.canardpc.com/view/519b97cf-f57c-4609-ba88-041ef3b1023f.jpg)
Post by: ghostwoods on June 27, 2012, 07:31:28 am
Post by: Andir on June 27, 2012, 08:50:34 am
Post by: guitarxe on June 27, 2012, 09:11:59 am
Post by: thistleknot on June 27, 2012, 09:27:52 am
Post by: Cespinarve on June 27, 2012, 01:37:03 pm
WHY MUST YOU BE SO CRUEL, WORLD, WHY?
EDIT: Problem Solved after crawling through the thread. DT is fantastic!
Post by: alesia on June 28, 2012, 06:00:47 pm
I have no idea what I was doing wrong, but things are working fine now after recompiling and rebooting, then swapping out the offset .ini file with the Github version. So. Thanks, folks, for such a wonderful program!
(Old 'please help' message under the spoiler, in case some other poor bastard is having the same issue.)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: thistleknot on June 28, 2012, 07:32:17 pm
maintain "group by" inbetween (grid view) tabs.
Post by: Nkosi_SW on June 29, 2012, 01:08:15 am
maintain "group by" inbetween (grid view) tabs.
Actually, what would be brilliant would be the ability to select which tabs you want to lock in sync in terms of viewing (both for "group by" settings AND the current row viewing position).
For example, you could choose to have say the Labor, Military and Weapons tab locked together in one "viewing group", and Roles, Attributes and Social in another viewing group. Then when you Group By Profession on the Labor tab and scroll down to the dwarf you want, when you switch to the Military or Weapons tab it's already sitting at the same row with the same grouping.
Would save a hell of a lot of scrolling up and down and also selecting the same "group by" for tab after tab. Those who like the User Interface behaviour the way it is now could just not "lock" their tabs and the behaviour would remain the same as it currently is.
One way of implementing this in the UI could be through right-clicking on a tab header, and having an in-place pop up menu listing "Lock to Viewing Group 1", ... , "Lock to Viewing Group 4", "Unlock from Viewing Group". Or if that wasn't possible, just set up through a menu or the options. Locked tabs could have their title backgrounds subtly coloured or something to show which viewing group they were currently in.
Post by: splinterz on June 29, 2012, 04:32:51 am
minor feature request.
maintain "group by" inbetween (grid view) tabs.
yeah i should have added an option to apply the grouping to all views when i implemented the grouping per tab. i'll have to add that in.
@Nkosi_SW: i'll look into this, no promises for the immediate future though :)
Post by: Nkosi_SW on June 29, 2012, 11:27:03 am
As a more limited request, while you're adding an option for thistleknot to apply the grouping to all views, would it be feasible to also add an option to apply the row viewing position (ie the scroll position of the grid) of the current view to all views?
Post by: thistleknot on June 29, 2012, 01:21:39 pm
No worries. I'm sure you have a long list of "feature requests". ;)
As a more limited request, while you're adding an option for thistleknot to apply the grouping to all views, would it be feasible to also add an option to apply the row viewing position (ie the scroll position of the grid) of the current view to all views?
i like that one. I've noticed that the sort order gets thrown off inbetween views, would make things a lot easier if the sort order/dwarf selected were consistent between grid views.
Post by: splinterz on June 29, 2012, 01:31:17 pm
No worries. I'm sure you have a long list of "feature requests". ;)
As a more limited request, while you're adding an option for thistleknot to apply the grouping to all views, would it be feasible to also add an option to apply the row viewing position (ie the scroll position of the grid) of the current view to all views?
i like that one. I've noticed that the sort order gets thrown off inbetween views, would make things a lot easier if the sort order/dwarf selected were consistent between grid views.
it's not so much 'thrown off' as it's saving your scroll position and grouping per view. selection shouldn't change if you're not re-reading.
Post by: thistleknot on June 29, 2012, 07:26:28 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/vtlr6/labor_optimizer_v12_openoffice_document_please/
here's a video
http://www.mediafire.com/?hqvc9lqlqs8na5i
Post by: thistleknot on June 29, 2012, 07:45:04 pm
Post by: Bifidus on June 30, 2012, 10:28:44 am
there are some instructions here (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist) that should work.As a Ubuntu user, that's exactly what i try to avoid... but anyway, i did it. And it almost worked :)
I obtained a linux native DT. It launch, but don't see DF running. If i clic the "connect to DF" button, it become gray, nothing happen. If i clic the "read dwarves" button, it complain of "Dwarf Fortress has either stopped running, or you unloaded your game. Please re-connect when a fort is loaded."
I tried to make the vanilla DT, and i also obtain a linux native DT. But it crash right after launch ("ptrace attach: Opération non permise" - translate as "ptrace attach: operation not allowed", i suppose).
So... if annyone got an idea...
Post by: drh on June 30, 2012, 02:03:28 pm
there are some instructions here (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist) that should work.As a Ubuntu user, that's exactly what i try to avoid... but anyway, i did it. And it almost worked :)
I obtained a linux native DT. It launch, but don't see DF running. If i clic the "connect to DF" button, it become gray, nothing happen. If i clic the "read dwarves" button, it complain of "Dwarf Fortress has either stopped running, or you unloaded your game. Please re-connect when a fort is loaded."
I tried to make the vanilla DT, and i also obtain a linux native DT. But it crash right after launch ("ptrace attach: Opération non permise" - translate as "ptrace attach: operation not allowed", i suppose).
So... if annyone got an idea...
You need to set the kernel.yama.ptrace_scope sysctl to 0. Echo '0' to /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope for a temporary fix, or modify the relevant sysctl.conf or sysctl.d/ config file to set the appropriate value for a permanent fix at boot.
Post by: g1real on June 30, 2012, 03:43:09 pm
(I'm using masterwork, alchemy is actually used in that mod)
Is Alchemy bugged in Therapist or are dwarves unable to gain experience in it? For some reason all my alchemy dwarves still show 0 experience in it even though they've used the skill repeatedly.
Due to masterwork's nature I'm still on 34.10 unfortunately, but still.
Post by: Bifidus on June 30, 2012, 04:53:34 pm
You need to set the kernel.yama.ptrace_scope sysctl to 0. Echo '0' to /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope for a temporary fix, or modify the relevant sysctl.conf or sysctl.d/ config file to set the appropriate value for a permanent fix at boot.UristMacUbuntu has been miserable lately.
Just wanted to dig holes and punch some goblins, but is about to toy with kernel security. Feel like UristNotmyfaultFukushima.
Anyway... can't do it, even with sudo (bash: /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope: Permission non accordée).
Edit : ok, Google tell me than "echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope" should work.
And... it work. Thank you ! But gaming under Linux is still such a PITA.
Post by: thistleknot on July 01, 2012, 06:51:39 pm
No worries. I'm sure you have a long list of "feature requests". ;)
As a more limited request, while you're adding an option for thistleknot to apply the grouping to all views, would it be feasible to also add an option to apply the row viewing position (ie the scroll position of the grid) of the current view to all views?
i like that one. I've noticed that the sort order gets thrown off inbetween views, would make things a lot easier if the sort order/dwarf selected were consistent between grid views.
it's not so much 'thrown off' as it's saving your scroll position and grouping per view. selection shouldn't change if you're not re-reading.
I think it saves the last sort done in that specific grid view.
Post by: Porterhaus on July 01, 2012, 09:40:12 pm
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Obviously pretty unusable since you cannot see what is selected and what isn't.
Post by: splinterz on July 02, 2012, 12:29:37 am
No worries. I'm sure you have a long list of "feature requests". ;)
As a more limited request, while you're adding an option for thistleknot to apply the grouping to all views, would it be feasible to also add an option to apply the row viewing position (ie the scroll position of the grid) of the current view to all views?
i like that one. I've noticed that the sort order gets thrown off inbetween views, would make things a lot easier if the sort order/dwarf selected were consistent between grid views.
it's not so much 'thrown off' as it's saving your scroll position and grouping per view. selection shouldn't change if you're not re-reading.
I think it saves the last sort done in that specific grid view.
it saves the last sort, the last grouping and the scroll positions for each individual view. as aforementioned i'll be sure to add an option to revert to the previous functionality of applying the grouping to all views, and hopefully the sorting/scroll positions. the sorting is a bit of an issue across views with different columns so we'll see.
Post by: thistleknot on July 03, 2012, 09:35:11 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWYSYR66oMU
Update:
When it's quite here... things are working... ironic.
I meant to say
When things are working, it's quite quiet in here... ironic. (corrected)
Post by: Argelle on July 04, 2012, 04:03:36 am
Anyway, within DFTherapist per se, I realize, looking at a video of a french guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXQqCbjpIyU&feature=youtu.be&hd=1) playing hardcore (naked embark), that some do have plenty of choices for weapons' skills, whereas for the last two fortress of mine, up to 140 and 80 dwarves, I only see red dots in one and only column:
(http://tof.canardpc.com/preview/e32b072b-cea6-40b0-8ea1-daa0287013de.jpg) (http://tof.canardpc.com/view/e32b072b-cea6-40b0-8ea1-daa0287013de.jpg)
Bug? Very unliky?
Post by: splinterz on July 04, 2012, 05:09:28 am
Just to let you know, thistleknot, that your addition to DF is quite useful ti some of us :)
Anyway, within DFTherapist per se, I realize, looking at a video of a french guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXQqC...=youtu.be&hd=1) playing hardcore (naked embark), that some do have plenty of choices for weapons' skills, whereas for the last two fortress of mine, up to 140 and 80 dwarves, I only see red dots in one and only column:Bug? Very unliky?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
if you haven't modded anything dwarves won't be able to use those large weapons, as their body size is too small to wield them. there is a related bug however in that the weapon columns will sometimes show that a few dwarves can wield those weapons. this is incorrect as we've since realized (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=112093.msg3399744) it's based on the castes average size, not the dwarf's actual size as modified by broadness and height.
Post by: thistleknot on July 04, 2012, 06:11:15 am
Just to let you know, thistleknot, that your addition to DF is quite useful ti some of us :)
thanks, you just made my day (early morning, before second bedtime). It's nice to hear some feedback.
Post by: thistleknot on July 04, 2012, 08:16:31 pm
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Re-clarified
Issue 1:
If I apply a script...
Then I try to create a new script, it will merely overwrite the last applied script.
It is very difficult to create a new script if I've ever applied one. Even reseting the applied script to "None" manually, and then trying to create a new one, merely just edits the last script applied. I have to close and re-open Dwarf Therapist to create a new script.
Issue 2:
If I edit a script, and then hit apply. The applied script field resets to "None" even though the applied script is running.
Issue 3:
It would be nice to be able to delete a script from within the gui (like how we can delete custom role's).
Post by: drh on July 06, 2012, 04:43:38 pm
Also, I've noticed that the roles screen has been redone and that 'Melee Soldier' and 'Ranged Soldier' are no longer in the mix. This makes choosing militia candidates inconvenient, and when I attempt to create a similar custom role, it won't show up anywhere.
My friend uses the precompiled Windows build and retains the ability to assign to squads. I'm running a source build on linux pulled from the repository.
Post by: splinterz on July 06, 2012, 06:02:43 pm
By the way, whatever happened to the ability to assign dorfs to squads in splinterz build? The last few source builds I've used haven't given me the ability to assign anyone to a squad.
Also, I've noticed that the roles screen has been redone and that 'Melee Soldier' and 'Ranged Soldier' are no longer in the mix. This makes choosing militia candidates inconvenient, and when I attempt to create a similar custom role, it won't show up anywhere.
My friend uses the precompiled Windows build and retains the ability to assign to squads. I'm running a source build on linux pulled from the repository.
i'm unaware of problems assigning squads on linux. i'll do some testing to verify, but can you elaborate on what the problem is? it doesn't work, or you don't have a menu option? what version are you running and are you using mods?
the generic melee and ranged roles have been split into individual roles based on weapon skills which is much more accurate when searching for potential militia than the previous roles with every skill. check the alternate military view included.
if you create a custom role, you'll need to add it to a custom view for it to show up, or name it the same name as one of the roles on the default roles tab to override it on that tab. let me know if you have more questions.
Post by: thistleknot on July 06, 2012, 09:40:19 pm
Post by: drh on July 07, 2012, 12:24:23 am
i'm unaware of problems assigning squads on linux. i'll do some testing to verify, but can you elaborate on what the problem is? it doesn't work, or you don't have a menu option? what version are you running and are you using mods?
RIght, sorry, that wasn't very clear, was it?
The option doesn't even show up in the context menu. I'm running the latest commit (2a6f5078039e (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/?r=2a6f5078039ee1208216cd69bd23ca89ed725109)) built from source. I'm running vanilla DF (34.11) with (Golden Shadow's) Ironhand's graphics and with dfhack. It's worked for me before, but somewhere along the way it stopped showing up in the right-click menu, though I'm not exactly certain when; I've only really noticed it since I started taking some casualties from FB syndromes since gobbos weren't doing it. I've also tried earlier tagged commits equivalent to versioned releases (15.2). I'll try more, as well as cross-test against Ironhand. Now that I think of it, it may have started after I compiled and started using dfhack. I'll cross-test against that as well.
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the generic melee and ranged roles have been split into individual roles based on weapon skills which is much more accurate when searching for potential militia than the previous roles with every all skills. check the alternate military view included.
if you create a custom role, you'll need to add it to a custom view for it to show up, or name it the same name as one of the roles on the default roles tab to override it on that tab. let me know if you have more questions.
Okay, thanks! Despite this mystery, you've got a great edition of an already great tool. Much appreciated.
Post by: splinterz on July 07, 2012, 03:41:57 am
Someone on reddit posted a bug http://i.imgur.com/D1NZE.jpg
yeah that's not really any help at all without details.
Post by: Intrinsic on July 07, 2012, 07:26:27 pm
Someone on reddit posted a bug http://i.imgur.com/D1NZE.jpg
yeah that's not really any help at all without details.
Looks like the bug that happened to me, is their version upto date as splinterz fixed that.
Edit: speeling mistake. AGAIN...
Post by: thistleknot on July 08, 2012, 09:51:28 am
Post by: thistleknot on July 08, 2012, 10:24:14 am
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Post by: BlackTalos on July 10, 2012, 07:33:03 am
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8089/23596579.jpg)
I managed to get a version here:
http://115.com/file/c2ekl7w5
But in addition to being a dubious site, i would rather credit the author.
Could you get the original file working Splinterz? =)
Regards
Post by: Rose on July 10, 2012, 08:03:08 am
Post by: splinterz on July 10, 2012, 08:45:52 am
Post by: krenshala on July 10, 2012, 08:35:16 pm
I'm running Gentoo 64bit with a 3.2.1-gentoo-r2 kernel (compiled, not gen-kernel).
Post by: Urist MacFrench on July 10, 2012, 08:40:14 pm
whats the status of DT in linux?Splinterz's version works fine under Linux.
Don't ask me more, i'm a Ubuntu user ;)
Post by: krenshala on July 11, 2012, 07:03:19 pm
Post by: Argelle on July 12, 2012, 03:37:08 am
(http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/18921eac-2a7c-4cd3-a1ef-e4af5b53e032.jpg) (http://tof.canardpc.com/view/18921eac-2a7c-4cd3-a1ef-e4af5b53e032.jpg)
Legend: (left) Therapist displays (2) marksdwarves for "The Dignity of Mine" versus DF (6) names displayed (right).
Post by: splinterz on July 12, 2012, 04:46:49 am
Post by: Argelle on July 12, 2012, 05:14:12 am
Oh, you do not mean the weak state of my squads? :)
As for therapist & DF inconstancy, I wish I could pin point what lead to it or an action before a crash. Maybe now more therapist's users will be aware of it, so instead of looking at Therapist only, they will compare to DF own panel and someone will report the same situation with more details.
Post by: splinterz on July 12, 2012, 08:59:45 am
Post by: Tierre on July 12, 2012, 09:02:05 am
Post by: Argelle on July 12, 2012, 09:27:31 am
I'm not using any mod, or DFHack command, so they died "honestly". DT is aware of it, but seem the body wan't discover yet, and they still show in DF. May be manipulating dead dwarves in DT is the culprit?
Weird thing, under "u" = 74 citizens and for Therapist = 63/9/2. Therapist is easy to find a dwarf by name, how do I do this in DF?
EDIT: Just as I typed here, someone gave the answer in a parallel topic :)
If you're playing 34.11, and you have dfhack, there is a new "sort" command that organizes the unit list, and even some other lists, too. GODSEND!This forum is as much amazing/great as DF itself!
Post by: Andir on July 12, 2012, 10:26:29 am
Post by: splinterz on July 12, 2012, 10:31:11 am
in regards to the unit counts, the 63/9/2 represents adults/children/babies so it should equal the DF count in the 'u' screen (which it does in your example) so i'm not sure what you're finding weird there.
Post by: Argelle on July 12, 2012, 11:26:04 am
Hum, that means there is nothing wrong in Therapist, I guess ???
(http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/717e3e9f-0998-4bd4-8118-f4e80f88f32f.jpg) (http://tof.canardpc.com/view/717e3e9f-0998-4bd4-8118-f4e80f88f32f.jpg)
Anyway, I've uploaded my save, if needed: http://dl.free.fr/fGMYvT3p5 (DF 34.11, Phoebus graphic 34.11)
I did reorganized my squad so no gap is present in the squad name list, but still DT and DF differ (see image).
Post by: splinterz on July 12, 2012, 11:53:52 am
Post by: thistleknot on July 12, 2012, 08:23:58 pm
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nevermind... can do by sorting by race...
new bug:
cursed dwarf check... not working... where should i be looking for the highlight? On the unit name? I have it set to purple, and I have a cursecheck command showing 1 (and 1 reported drained of blood) and yet... no one is highlighted.
yes... I'm a dirty cheater...
Post by: knutor on July 12, 2012, 11:43:48 pm
Post by: splinterz on July 13, 2012, 04:17:29 am
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nevermind... can do by sorting by race...
new bug:
cursed dwarf check... not working... where should i be looking for the highlight? On the unit name? I have it set to purple, and I have a cursecheck command showing 1 (and 1 reported drained of blood) and yet... no one is highlighted.
yes... I'm a dirty cheater...
yes they should be highlighted like nobles. i may have to check another offset if it's not working. at the moment it's checking the curse name and i have no idea if there are curses without names. send me the save?
Post by: Urist MacFrench on July 13, 2012, 04:32:54 am
I'm on Ubuntu 12.04.
I haven't played during more than a week, and several updates came to Ubuntu during that time (it's the only things that have changed, i can't see other reason).
Today, DT just crash at launch. I try re download it and compile it again, but it still crash right after launch.
I tried to launch DT via CLI, to have an error message on terminal, but there isn't any.
What can i do to have more valuable information to give to you ?
Post by: splinterz on July 13, 2012, 05:18:34 am
Dt (Splinterz's one) stoped working for me, for no apparent reason.
I'm on Ubuntu 12.04.
I haven't played during more than a week, and several updates came to Ubuntu during that time (it's the only things that have changed, i can't see other reason).
Today, DT just crash at launch. I try re download it and compile it again, but it still crash right after launch.
I tried to launch DT via CLI, to have an error message on terminal, but there isn't any.
What can i do to have more valuable information to give to you ?
check the log folder and see what the log file has in it.
Post by: Urist MacFrench on July 13, 2012, 05:52:45 am
Sorry ^^
To make my post less useless :
- DT under Linux read dwarves far slower than under Windows (the more dwarves you have, the slower it is vs nearly instant for Windows).
- i thought a good hunter should be good in marksdwarf and in ambush. DT tell me than one of my dwarve is supposed to be a good hunter but he is bader than the others at ambush and marksdwaf (all have no skill - i start naked; no stuff, no skill). How can this be possible ? Are there other things than ambush and marksdwarf to consider to be a good hunter ?
- requested feature : totally replace the military in game UI (that's the worst part of DF, imo). No idea if it can be done, but i wish you good luck...
And thank you for all the nice additions in DT !
Post by: knutor on July 13, 2012, 02:01:12 pm
- i thought a good hunter should be good in marksdwarf and in ambush. DT tell me than one of my dwarve is supposed to be a good hunter but he is bader than the others at ambush and marksdwaf (all have no skill - i start naked; no stuff, no skill). How can this be possible ? Are there other things than ambush and marksdwarf to consider to be a good hunter ?
Urist MacFrench, I was surprised at the role requirements for Hunter, too. With all the footfalls required in stalking; I'd think they would need lots more Agility. Maybe Agility doesn't affect their stealth travel speed. Its logical to have the others, Focus, Spatial and Kinestetic.
Marksdwarf requirement would be redundant, since it requires the same thing as Hunter, minus the military skills and some people prefer player squad-hunting over AI hunter-hunting, so the separation is necessary to please them. I'm happy with the Hunter Role.
Except, I would think it would need a Not Sympathy requirement. Since so often, Hunters traverse the Butchershop, the corpse stockpiles and take part in seeing gruesome body parts and death, often. Hard to imagine a Hunter as compassionate. Know what I mean? Butcher isn't even Not Sympathy. Butcher role I think should get tweaked before Hunter role, however. If Sympathy even does anything. *shrug* Knutor
Post by: thistleknot on July 13, 2012, 04:52:39 pm
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nevermind... can do by sorting by race...
new bug:
cursed dwarf check... not working... where should i be looking for the highlight? On the unit name? I have it set to purple, and I have a cursecheck command showing 1 (and 1 reported drained of blood) and yet... no one is highlighted.
yes... I'm a dirty cheater...
yes they should be highlighted like nobles. i may have to check another offset if it's not working. at the moment it's checking the curse name and i have no idea if there are curses without names. send me the save?
here's a masterwork save
http://www.mediafire.com/?m1nh2i5c0ph28hl
Post by: Iysif on July 13, 2012, 10:10:58 pm
Post by: thistleknot on July 16, 2012, 06:24:49 pm
and if squad grouping was by squad assignment, and not by active military (I can get around it by ordering a squad to do something, but if someone is sleeping...)
Post by: Urist MacFrench on July 16, 2012, 07:56:48 pm
Post by: Vehudur on July 17, 2012, 04:25:14 am
Post by: splinterz on July 17, 2012, 05:30:49 am
...squad grouping was by squad assignment, and not by active military...
i don't know what this means, please elaborate.
Is it possible to avoid puting strangers (like caravane merchants and their bodyguards) in DT ? They seem to not do what i tell them to do ;)
this definitely shouldn't be happening if you're using my branch. if you've updated the ini files manually double check the flags here (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/etc/memory_layouts/linux/v034.11.ini)(near the end). otherwise upload the save and i'll take a closer look.
Post by: Urist MacFrench on July 17, 2012, 08:43:56 am
this definitely shouldn't be happening if you're using my branch.I do :)
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if you've updated the ini files manuallyI don't (just copied them from a place to another, as said in the wiki comments - if not, DT did not launch).
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double check the flags here (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/etc/memory_layouts/linux/v034.11.ini)(near the end)They seem to be the same.
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otherwise upload the save and i'll take a closer look.By "the save", you mean, the "region" folder ?
Post by: splinterz on July 17, 2012, 09:10:44 am
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By "the save", you mean, the "region" folder ?
yes the region folder in data/save/ which has the problem.
Post by: Greenalien on July 17, 2012, 10:24:17 am
So...hlp pls? My apologies if this has been already answered.
Alternatively I would really welcome any tips on how to manage the fortress when it grows big. I've had it grow to about 80 dwarfs and it turns quite unmanageable by hand at those numbers.
Post by: Urist MacFrench on July 17, 2012, 10:27:39 am
Here it is : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qx2togqprh8xlna/yPjaOyDwwMQuoteBy "the save", you mean, the "region" folder ?
yes the region folder in data/save/ which has the problem.
Post by: thistleknot on July 17, 2012, 10:53:06 am
It would be nice if the filter script active_military was filtering squads and not military that are currently active.
I believe as it is, it does not filter dwarf's that are assigned to a squad, but have no scheduled order.
...squad grouping was by squad assignment, and not by active military...
i don't know what this means, please elaborate.Is it possible to avoid puting strangers (like caravane merchants and their bodyguards) in DT ? They seem to not do what i tell them to do ;)
this definitely shouldn't be happening if you're using my branch. if you've updated the ini files manually double check the flags here (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/etc/memory_layouts/linux/v034.11.ini)(near the end). otherwise upload the save and i'll take a closer look.
Post by: knutor on July 17, 2012, 11:19:16 am
Problem: Therapist window nonresponsiveness. Can task to it, and away from it, but nothing in it does anything. When Commit button is moused over and clicked, everything gets highlighted, but nothing gets commited. No popup messages appear over dwarfs. Repeat attempts to click in the Therapist window, fail, regardless of what is clicked. Only button that works, is the resize, maximize and X buttons in the corner. All this happens while other windows work fine. While task manager window is open and operational. No log entries, of issue appear in Therapist log.
Must be a DLL power or priority issue. *shrug* Toggling Therapist process in Task Manager up to High fixed it for me. Running Therapist on High priority, got the responsiveness back. I've got a bazillion SVCHOST processes running lord only knows what, for Windows. One of them is prolly hogging up resources. Wish I could turn some of those to LOW priority. Take care, Knutor
Post by: splinterz on July 17, 2012, 11:21:25 am
Oh... you know what... I think I was mixing up the filter script with squad grouping's.
It would be nice if the filter script active_military was filtering squads and not military that are currently active.
I believe as it is, it does not filter dwarf's that are assigned to a squad, but have no scheduled order....squad grouping was by squad assignment, and not by active military...
i don't know what this means, please elaborate.Is it possible to avoid puting strangers (like caravane merchants and their bodyguards) in DT ? They seem to not do what i tell them to do ;)
this definitely shouldn't be happening if you're using my branch. if you've updated the ini files manually double check the flags here (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/etc/memory_layouts/linux/v034.11.ini)(near the end). otherwise upload the save and i'll take a closer look.
you can use d.squad_id() in scripts to filter out dwarves in squads. -1 is the returned value for a dwarf who hasn't been assigned to a squad.
Post by: splinterz on July 18, 2012, 11:17:19 am
- fixed linux flags for merchants, merchant guards, etc
- you can now group by highest moodable skill and a dwarf's highest moodable skill is highlighted in the dwarf details pane
- filter scripts can now be removed via the menu
- editing filter scripts now also allows editing of the script name
- added options to sort by roles in labour and skill columns. this allows showing the role information while keeping the old sorting method.
- added options to synchronize scrolling and grouping between all views
- added a tooltip on squad groups to explain the difference in counts when DF still has dead/missing dwarves in squads
- fixed squad assignment/removal bugs (these were major and should resolve the squad functionality issues reported.. i hope)
- all vampires should be properly highlighted now
- fixed hidden castes from showing up under the caste id (this only affects mods with hidden castes (masterwork, LFR..)
Project Home // Full Patch Notes // Download (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: thistleknot on July 18, 2012, 09:16:50 pm
Post by: knutor on July 18, 2012, 09:43:13 pm
Post by: Argelle on July 19, 2012, 04:40:03 am
Post by: Intrinsic on July 19, 2012, 08:23:13 am
This is the only line it lists in the log when it crashes:
Code: [Select]
2012-Jul-19 14:20:00.671 INFO core Dwarf Therapist "0.6.12" starting normally. [..\dwarftherapist-splintermind-copy\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:104] (DwarfTherapist::setup_logging)
Post by: splinterz on July 19, 2012, 08:24:55 am
Crashes on startup for me with my existing ini file, if i remove it then it works fine. I guess it doesn't like one of my custom views.
This is the only line it lists in the log when it crashes:Code: [Select]2012-Jul-19 14:20:00.671 INFO core Dwarf Therapist "0.6.12" starting normally. [..\dwarftherapist-splintermind-copy\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:104] (DwarfTherapist::setup_logging)
would you mind sending me your ini?
Post by: thistleknot on July 19, 2012, 08:26:23 am
Also...
it would be awesome to have a number next to a dwarf's name showing the number of labors he has assigned...
Post by: splinterz on July 19, 2012, 08:28:43 am
someone on reddit suggested an old suggestion. the ability to change the orientation of profession names (I believe he was referring to the 90 degree angle of labor/role names). Similar to how excel lets you change the angle.
Also...
it would be awesome to have a number next to a dwarf's name showing the number of labors he has assigned...
are you talking about column headers when you say profession names?
Post by: Intrinsic on July 19, 2012, 08:32:52 am
Crashes on startup for me with my existing ini file, if i remove it then it works fine. I guess it doesn't like one of my custom views.
This is the only line it lists in the log when it crashes:Code: [Select]2012-Jul-19 14:20:00.671 INFO core Dwarf Therapist "0.6.12" starting normally. [..\dwarftherapist-splintermind-copy\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:104] (DwarfTherapist::setup_logging)
would you mind sending me your ini?
Sent, it's got some views that i setup in v13/14 in it so i guess they are the problem. I can recreate them np if needed.
Feature request: On the animals page is it possible we can set the pet availability. I've been doing this to keep track of the breeding pairs i want to keep which have juicy attribs.
Post by: splinterz on July 19, 2012, 09:50:27 am
Crashes on startup for me with my existing ini file, if i remove it then it works fine. I guess it doesn't like one of my custom views.
This is the only line it lists in the log when it crashes:Code: [Select]2012-Jul-19 14:20:00.671 INFO core Dwarf Therapist "0.6.12" starting normally. [..\dwarftherapist-splintermind-copy\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:104] (DwarfTherapist::setup_logging)
would you mind sending me your ini?
Sent, it's got some views that i setup in v13/14 in it so i guess they are the problem. I can recreate them np if needed.
Feature request: On the animals page is it possible we can set the pet availability. I've been doing this to keep track of the breeding pairs i want to keep which have juicy attribs.
ok the problem is with those weapon columns which have multiple weapon names ('Scourges, Whips', etc.) i've fixed it from crashing but i'll have to look into adding support to add those grouped columns. for now you can still add the weapon columns, but only the individual weapons, the groups aren't available. for you this only affects the 'Military (v13)' tab you had setup i believe.
Here's the updated zip. (https://rapidshare.com/files/1369237444/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
if it's still broken let me know. i'll see if it's possible to toggle the pet state on animals, but no promises. :)
Post by: Intrinsic on July 19, 2012, 10:10:42 am
Crashes on startup for me with my existing ini file, if i remove it then it works fine. I guess it doesn't like one of my custom views.
This is the only line it lists in the log when it crashes:Code: [Select]2012-Jul-19 14:20:00.671 INFO core Dwarf Therapist "0.6.12" starting normally. [..\dwarftherapist-splintermind-copy\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:104] (DwarfTherapist::setup_logging)
would you mind sending me your ini?
Sent, it's got some views that i setup in v13/14 in it so i guess they are the problem. I can recreate them np if needed.
Feature request: On the animals page is it possible we can set the pet availability. I've been doing this to keep track of the breeding pairs i want to keep which have juicy attribs.
ok the problem is with those weapon columns which have multiple weapon names ('Scourges, Whips', etc.) i've fixed it from crashing but i'll have to look into adding support to add those grouped columns. for now you can still add the weapon columns, but only the individual weapons, the groups aren't available. for you this only affects the 'Military (v13)' tab you had setup i believe.
Here's the updated zip. (https://rapidshare.com/files/1369237444/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
if it's still broken let me know. i'll see if it's possible to toggle the pet state on animals, but no promises. :)
Will check it later. The v13 is obsolete, it was only there while i ported that setup to the newer versions so it's a non-issue really, i never used those weapon columns anyways they were just there for completeness :)
Post by: thistleknot on July 19, 2012, 10:29:52 am
someone on reddit suggested an old suggestion. the ability to change the orientation of profession names (I believe he was referring to the 90 degree angle of labor/role names). Similar to how excel lets you change the angle.
Also...
it would be awesome to have a number next to a dwarf's name showing the number of labors he has assigned...
are you talking about column headers when you say profession names?
Post by: thistleknot on July 19, 2012, 06:28:45 pm
I'm on a mini vacation, but there's still a problem with the script editing.
Yes, I can change, and delete...
but if
I have an active running script.
then try to create a new one
the new one overwrites the old one
update...
oh man... closing and re-opening to create a new script... can't create any new script, only overwrites the 1st position...
oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man... no!!!!!!!!
Post by: splinterz on July 19, 2012, 07:08:06 pm
Arrghhh!!! I'm on a mini vacation, but there's still a problem with the script editing. Yes, I can change, and delete but if I have an active running script, and then try to create a new one the new one overwrites the old one. oh man... closing and re-opening to create a new script... can't create any new script, only overwrites the 1st position... oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man... no!!!!!!!!
this should fix it. (https://rapidshare.com/files/4103961805/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
Post by: thistleknot on July 19, 2012, 09:07:27 pm
Took me a while to read this thru my tears... but i think i can pull the gun out of my mouth. ;) jk...Arrghhh!!! I'm on a mini vacation, but there's still a problem with the script editing. Yes, I can change, and delete but if I have an active running script, and then try to create a new one the new one overwrites the old one. oh man... closing and re-opening to create a new script... can't create any new script, only overwrites the 1st position... oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man... no!!!!!!!!
this should fix it. (https://rapidshare.com/files/4103961805/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
Post by: Chromasphere on July 20, 2012, 01:37:08 pm
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Post by: splinterz on July 20, 2012, 04:21:47 pm
Hi splinterz. I am using your latest dt from a couple posts above. Everything was working fine until a migration wave came (this was the fourth wave). At this point I refreshed dt to see the new immigrants (as I had done before with the other waves) and that's when dt crashed. This is a modded DF (LFR plus my own mods). Any ideas why would be very welcome as I quite like your version. Here's the log:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
i'll do some testing this weekend and see if i can reproduce it. if you've got a save that would be mighty helpful though. the only changes that should directly impact LFR are the ones to the castes, but it shouldn't be crashing.
Post by: Chromasphere on July 20, 2012, 04:47:20 pm
Post by: splinterz on July 20, 2012, 05:48:52 pm
Yup, got one. Where do I upload it?
anywhere will work. dwarf fortress specific stuff can always go here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/.
Post by: Chromasphere on July 20, 2012, 09:39:57 pm
Post by: splinterz on July 21, 2012, 07:41:14 am
OK, here you go. It's at http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6695 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6695) with the heading: splinterz DT crash savegame chromasphere
alright so the problem was due to names belonging to invalid languages. i suspect this is due to your modding, so you may want to look into it further. what DF does (and now DT too) in this case is uses the last language as it can't find the correct one. so in your current for you've got a bunch of creatures either without last names or with 'void language' last names.
i've updated the source and the packaged file for this issue. (https://rapidshare.com/files/3714897111/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
Post by: Urist MacFrench on July 21, 2012, 08:52:39 am
Second, i got a little bug : i can't make disapear the dabbling skills in the main view (check or uncheck the option has no effect).
I use the DT version just before the last you did.
Good luck !
Post by: thistleknot on July 21, 2012, 11:13:25 am
Oh... you know what... I think I was mixing up the filter script with squad grouping's.
It would be nice if the filter script active_military was filtering squads and not military that are currently active.
I believe as it is, it does not filter dwarf's that are assigned to a squad, but have no scheduled order....squad grouping was by squad assignment, and not by active military...
i don't know what this means, please elaborate.Is it possible to avoid puting strangers (like caravane merchants and their bodyguards) in DT ? They seem to not do what i tell them to do ;)
this definitely shouldn't be happening if you're using my branch. if you've updated the ini files manually double check the flags here (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/etc/memory_layouts/linux/v034.11.ini)(near the end). otherwise upload the save and i'll take a closer look.
you can use d.squad_id() in scripts to filter out dwarves in squads. -1 is the returned value for a dwarf who hasn't been assigned to a squad.
thanks
this did the trick
d.squad_id()<0
=-1 didn't work, so I had to do that
Post by: splinterz on July 21, 2012, 11:40:32 am
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thanks
this did the trick
d.squad_id()<0
=-1 didn't work, so I had to do that
if you want to do that you need ==
Post by: thistleknot on July 21, 2012, 11:45:41 am
Post by: thistleknot on July 21, 2012, 01:38:08 pm
I have a filter script that filters melee soldier's and ranged soldier's accordingly. There rankings are similar.... so I have a hard time deciding who should go to what... If there was a way to filter the two against each other...
They clearly have different stats, but if there was a way to distinguish them against each other to clearly show who belongs to what...
I know, it's a way way meta- analysis, but I hope to figure it out
Post by: thistleknot on July 21, 2012, 01:51:35 pm
here's the upload (masterwork)
http://www.mediafire.com/?cvgcr2mcmwrc1n5
so, when I add Ber Ebalreg to the squad "Scars of Shielding", crash of DT
Post by: splinterz on July 21, 2012, 05:32:23 pm
bug
here's the upload (masterwork)
http://www.mediafire.com/?cvgcr2mcmwrc1n5
so, when I add Ber Ebalreg to the squad "Scars of Shielding", crash of DT
yeah that dwarf is apparently assigned to a squad which no longer exists. had you assigned/unassigned him to squad(s) before updating to the latest DT build? regardless here's the fix:
download (https://rapidshare.com/files/556789431/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
Post by: thistleknot on July 21, 2012, 07:36:23 pm
btw, things are slow... i'll assign 20 dwarf's, and it's slow... it might be my pc and game, but things are sluggish. Taking me about 5x as long to assign my dwarf's
update:
nm, throttlestop put an end to that
bug
here's the upload (masterwork)
http://www.mediafire.com/?cvgcr2mcmwrc1n5
so, when I add Ber Ebalreg to the squad "Scars of Shielding", crash of DT
yeah that dwarf is apparently assigned to a squad which no longer exists. had you assigned/unassigned him to squad(s) before updating to the latest DT build? regardless here's the fix:
download (https://rapidshare.com/files/556789431/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
Post by: thistleknot on July 21, 2012, 08:54:19 pm
that would be awesome!
Post by: Chromasphere on July 21, 2012, 09:08:21 pm
OK, here you go. It's at http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6695 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6695) with the heading: splinterz DT crash savegame chromasphere
alright so the problem was due to names belonging to invalid languages. i suspect this is due to your modding, so you may want to look into it further. what DF does (and now DT too) in this case is uses the last language as it can't find the correct one. so in your current for you've got a bunch of creatures either without last names or with 'void language' last names.
i've updated the source and the packaged file for this issue. (https://rapidshare.com/files/3714897111/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
Thank-you so much. I'm sorry for getting you to spend time on a problem that was due to my modding and not DT itself. I appreciate your time and patience... and fix! :D
Post by: Urist MacFrench on July 22, 2012, 12:28:32 am
can you do a right click assign to noble position like you did with military?That would be great :)
that would be awesome!
I recently discover you can assign dwarfs to squads like that, that's such a time saver... if only you could create squads right in DT, that would be even better ^^
Post by: DrKillPatient on July 22, 2012, 09:33:22 pm
See the second entry in my post here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=113300) for the script.
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 25, 2012, 09:46:11 pm
Post by: thistleknot on July 26, 2012, 02:09:16 pm
I've started using the splinterz clone, and so far love the additions made. However, there is one piece of information that I think should be vital to the roles system that I haven't been able to find; preferences. Maybe I've just been looking in the wrong place, but being able to find a dwarf's preferences somewhere through therapist would be amazing. The effect it has on the quality of items produced is rather profound, and is often the deciding factor when I choose dwarves for specific roles in the fort. Aside from that minor request, loving the work put into it! Awesome job, really. :D
Is this what your referring to? (excerpt from v16 synoposis)
* added grouping by moodable skill
* highest moodable skill is highlighted in the dwarf details pane
Post by: splinterz on July 26, 2012, 03:42:31 pm
I've started using the splinterz clone, and so far love the additions made. However, there is one piece of information that I think should be vital to the roles system that I haven't been able to find; preferences. Maybe I've just been looking in the wrong place, but being able to find a dwarf's preferences somewhere through therapist would be amazing. The effect it has on the quality of items produced is rather profound, and is often the deciding factor when I choose dwarves for specific roles in the fort. Aside from that minor request, loving the work put into it! Awesome job, really. :D
Is this what your referring to? (excerpt from v16 synoposis)
* added grouping by moodable skill
* highest moodable skill is highlighted in the dwarf details pane
no he's talking about adding preferences (likes/dislikes) to further aid in choosing a dwarf for a job. for example find someone who has a preference for beds to be your carpenter.
Post by: Intrinsic on July 27, 2012, 04:36:45 am
Crashes on startup for me with my existing ini file, if i remove it then it works fine. I guess it doesn't like one of my custom views.
This is the only line it lists in the log when it crashes:Code: [Select]2012-Jul-19 14:20:00.671 INFO core Dwarf Therapist "0.6.12" starting normally. [..\dwarftherapist-splintermind-copy\src\dwarftherapist.cpp:104] (DwarfTherapist::setup_logging)
would you mind sending me your ini?
Sent, it's got some views that i setup in v13/14 in it so i guess they are the problem. I can recreate them np if needed.
Feature request: On the animals page is it possible we can set the pet availability. I've been doing this to keep track of the breeding pairs i want to keep which have juicy attribs.
ok the problem is with those weapon columns which have multiple weapon names ('Scourges, Whips', etc.) i've fixed it from crashing but i'll have to look into adding support to add those grouped columns. for now you can still add the weapon columns, but only the individual weapons, the groups aren't available. for you this only affects the 'Military (v13)' tab you had setup i believe.
Here's the updated zip. (https://rapidshare.com/files/1369237444/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
if it's still broken let me know. i'll see if it's possible to toggle the pet state on animals, but no promises. :)
Sorry for the late reply, your most recent DT update doesn't crash now fyi :)
Post by: Intrinsic on July 29, 2012, 06:12:39 am
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IF NOT EXIST "INI" md "INI"
IF NOT EXIST "%APPDATA%\UDP Software" md "%APPDATA%\UDP Software"
IF NOT EXIST "%APPDATA%\UDP Software\Dwarf Therapist.ini" (
move /-Y "INI\Dwarf Therapist.ini" "%APPDATA%\UDP Software\Dwarf Therapist.ini" )
DwarfTherapist.exe
move /-Y "%APPDATA%\UDP Software\Dwarf Therapist.ini" ".\INI\Dwarf Therapist.ini"
Post by: SuicideJunkie on July 29, 2012, 07:14:16 pm
I can see "21 dwarfs" in the therapist screen including "Glassy" Asdugonul.
In-game, I have only 14 citizens.
Glassy, the Ghostly Glassmaker is in the Dead list.
My Xbowdwarf and Speardwarf, on the other hand, who both died of old age and left no ghost, do not show up in therapist.
Edit:
Ooop, the speardwarf just arose as a ghost, and now DT says I've got 22 citizens
All the ghosts are Content(100) it seems.
Post by: Canageek on July 30, 2012, 06:18:39 pm
Anyway, thanks for keeping it updated.
Post by: SalmonGod on July 31, 2012, 12:55:41 am
Hey, Splintrz, have you considered making your own thread, so that we can track the latest version more easily?
Anyway, thanks for keeping it updated.
This would be great.
Post by: Nkosi_SW on July 31, 2012, 05:50:15 pm
- added options to synchronize scrolling and grouping between all views
Wow. This option is saving me so much time and scrolling. :) It resolves the last issue in the DT UI that drove me bonkers.
Just wanted to say thank you, Splinterz, for all your great work, your patience with the endless (and sometimes silly) feature requests, your openess to suggestions and the speed of implimentation and rapid release cycle.
You make DF far more enjoyable for this dwarf, and I'm sure for many others too.
Thanks again!
Post by: Moggers on August 02, 2012, 06:57:24 am
If I can make a request, I know that it'd be difficult, if it's even possible, but could there be some way to handle equipment management and squad schedules through Dwarf Therapist?
Cheers, Moggers
Post by: Raven on August 03, 2012, 12:37:11 am
thanks in advance :)
Post by: Argelle on August 03, 2012, 01:45:04 am
download (https://rapidshare.com/files/556789431/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
Post by: Raven on August 03, 2012, 02:46:00 am
You can happily use the splinter's branch of therapist with DF 34.11 :thank you kind sirdownload (https://rapidshare.com/files/556789431/Dwarf Therapist-16.zip)
i hope the project will continue without troubles :)
Post by: CatkinsFTW on August 03, 2012, 06:43:28 am
Thanks to you I pulled and compiled your clone of DT.
I found that highest moodable skill was correctly finding the moodable skills but incorrectly sorting for lowest moodable skill.
I couldn't find a location to submit a patch on google code, so here is a patch that fixed the problem for me.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you have a preferred way of people submitting bug reports/patches I'm all ears.
Thanks
p.s. DwarfEngineer thanks for your work as well.
Post by: splinterz on August 03, 2012, 08:18:57 am
splinter,
Thanks to you I pulled and compiled your clone of DT.
I found that highest moodable skill was correctly finding the moodable skills but incorrectly sorting for lowest moodable skill.
I couldn't find a location to submit a patch on google code, so here is a patch that fixed the problem for me.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you have a preferred way of people submitting bug reports/patches I'm all ears.
Thanks
p.s. DwarfEngineer thanks for your work as well.
thanks for the report, i'll be sure to fix it in the upcoming release (it's going to be awesome!) unfortunately your fix will still have problems, this is what you need:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
@Nkosi_SW: thanks for all the kind words, i'm glad you're enjoying the changes ;D
@Moggers: thanks for the support. unfortunately i don't think i'll be able to setup scheduling and uniforms as i can't directly modify DF like dfhack does.
Post by: splinterz on August 04, 2012, 05:57:10 am
- preferences (drink, items, materials, etc.) have been added
- preferences can be viewed multiple ways:
- simple list in the tooltip
- in the dwarf details pane (grouped by type). note: this is hidden by default, it's at the very bottom, drag it up to see it
- a new dockable window has been added to show all preferences of the current population, and their respective likes/dislikes. selecting preferences will filter the view to only show those dwarfs who have the preference. this filtering should also work in conjunction with any currently running scripts.
- added file->snapshot menu to take a snapshot image of the current view
Project Home // Download (https://rapidshare.com/files/2839750514/Dwarf%20Therapist-17.zip)
let me know what you think. i'm concerned with the tooltips getting too large with all the additional information, so i'm considering putting in options to choose which information is shown in the tooltips.
please report any bug reports and i'll fix things up asap.
Post by: Intrinsic on August 05, 2012, 02:23:23 am
Feature request: Is it possible to display a dwarfs speed? this is another thing i was thinking about, useful for military !!SCIENCE!! maybe this is best left to something like dfhack though.
Edit: One issue just now, DT seemed to hang on exit. The process still existed but all windows had gone, so i thought i'd exit DF before killing off the process and then pop everything came back on screen and i could exit safetly. I have been unable to reproduce this. Hadn't noticed this behaivour before.
Post by: splinterz on August 05, 2012, 03:52:30 pm
Holy shite that is awesome, i was thinking about this just the other day. Brilliant addition!
Feature request: Is it possible to display a dwarfs speed? this is another thing i was thinking about, useful for military !!SCIENCE!! maybe this is best left to something like dfhack though.
Edit: One issue just now, DT seemed to hang on exit. The process still existed but all windows had gone, so i thought i'd exit DF before killing off the process and then pop everything came back on screen and i could exit safetly. I have been unable to reproduce this. Hadn't noticed this behaivour before.
hrmm i'll have to try and reproduce that process hang myself. i'm not sure about the speed, isn't it directly correlated to agility?
Post by: Intrinsic on August 06, 2012, 02:44:59 am
Holy shite that is awesome, i was thinking about this just the other day. Brilliant addition!
Feature request: Is it possible to display a dwarfs speed? this is another thing i was thinking about, useful for military !!SCIENCE!! maybe this is best left to something like dfhack though.
Edit: One issue just now, DT seemed to hang on exit. The process still existed but all windows had gone, so i thought i'd exit DF before killing off the process and then pop everything came back on screen and i could exit safetly. I have been unable to reproduce this. Hadn't noticed this behaivour before.
hrmm i'll have to try and reproduce that process hang myself. i'm not sure about the speed, isn't it directly correlated to agility?
Agility+what they are carrying/holding afaik. Ie shifting furniture/blocks around slows them. And for the military it's mainly to see how Armour User effects speed, as if you load up new recruits with metal armour they'll not only move like a hippo they'll also swing like one too and anything related to movement, ie dodge...they are almost useless ;p Plus Armour User itself will increase super slow if you give them the best armour from the start.
Post by: thistleknot on August 06, 2012, 09:25:11 pm
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in the dwarf details pane (grouped by type). note: this is hidden by default, it's at the very bottom, drag it up to see it
I looked through all the menu's, and looked at a few dwarf's detail pane's... scrolled all the way to the bottom of each of 4 menu's...
am I missing how to find this preference area... I'm new to the concept of preference
Post by: Intrinsic on August 07, 2012, 02:05:52 am
Quotein the dwarf details pane (grouped by type). note: this is hidden by default, it's at the very bottom, drag it up to see it
I looked through all the menu's, and looked at a few dwarf's detail pane's... scrolled all the way to the bottom of each of 4 menu's...
am I missing how to find this preference area... I'm new to the concept of preference
I don't think it's just you! i couldn't either :) the prefs do show in tooltips though.
Post by: splinterz on August 07, 2012, 02:43:46 am
Quotein the dwarf details pane (grouped by type). note: this is hidden by default, it's at the very bottom, drag it up to see it
I looked through all the menu's, and looked at a few dwarf's detail pane's... scrolled all the way to the bottom of each of 4 menu's...
am I missing how to find this preference area... I'm new to the concept of preference
the panes themselves can be completely collapsed. you should get a different resize/expand cursor at the very bottom of the container pane itself (just below the roles pane if it's showing) and be able to drag up from there to show the preferences. so the ordering is skills->attributes->traits->roles->preferences.
the dock window is in the menu under windows->docks->preferences.
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 07, 2012, 03:07:47 am
preferences (drink, items, materials, etc.) have been added
:D!
Post by: thistleknot on August 07, 2012, 08:42:45 pm
Quotein the dwarf details pane (grouped by type). note: this is hidden by default, it's at the very bottom, drag it up to see it
I looked through all the menu's, and looked at a few dwarf's detail pane's... scrolled all the way to the bottom of each of 4 menu's...
am I missing how to find this preference area... I'm new to the concept of preference
the panes themselves can be completely collapsed. you should get a different resize/expand cursor at the very bottom of the container pane itself (just below the roles pane if it's showing) and be able to drag up from there to show the preferences. so the ordering is skills->attributes->traits->roles->preferences.
the dock window is in the menu under windows->docks->preferences.
I see the preferences dock window.
However, it doesn't change as I select different dwarf's.
I also don't see any resize or close option other than the ....
okay... I can select a preference, and then it applies a filter...
okay, but I don't see any resize option other than the dock windows...
I'm looking to find this
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in the dwarf details pane (grouped by type). note: this is hidden by default, it's at the very bottom, drag it up to see it
oh... I see it.
I have to resize the bottom window of the last box in the details pane, there is no resize button, it's just the bottom solid line of the last textbox...
it would be nice to see it from the details pane from the grid view, rather than having to look at details (but I bet that's crowded already... a slider bar would be nice).
Also... it would be nice to have some of grid view of those numbers if possible... I'm so new to this concept Preferences
so preferences might be useful for filling mayor's orders... I get it...
Post by: vadia on August 07, 2012, 10:30:49 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on August 08, 2012, 02:26:39 am
Post by: Raven on August 08, 2012, 05:41:45 am
new version is up!so u are the new guy in charge of the project? :) welcome, sir :)
- preferences (drink, items, materials, etc.) have been added
- preferences can be viewed multiple ways:
- simple list in the tooltip
- in the dwarf details pane (grouped by type). note: this is hidden by default, it's at the very bottom, drag it up to see it
- a new dockable window has been added to show all preferences of the current population, and their respective likes/dislikes. selecting preferences will filter the view to only show those dwarfs who have the preference. this filtering should also work in conjunction with any currently running scripts.
- added file->snapshot menu to take a snapshot image of the current view
Project Home // Download (https://rapidshare.com/files/2839750514/Dwarf%20Therapist-17.zip)
let me know what you think. i'm concerned with the tooltips getting too large with all the additional information, so i'm considering putting in options to choose which information is shown in the tooltips.
please report any bug reports and i'll fix things up asap.
Post by: splinterz on August 08, 2012, 05:42:47 am
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it would be nice to see it from the details pane from the grid view, rather than having to look at details (but I bet that's crowded already... a slider bar would be nice).
which grid view are you talking about here? labour, military, etc. views? a slider bar where?
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Also... it would be nice to have some of grid view of those numbers if possible... I'm so new to this concept Preferences
well the dock window is for showing each preference and how many like/dislike it. the problem with creating columns in a new view is that it's not really practical as there are so many and often times a preference only belongs to a single dwarf. i debating on generating histograms, but again, so many of them only have a single count.
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so preferences might be useful for filling mayor's orders... I get it...
yeah, or who should be an engraver, or what booze will give you the most happy thoughts, etc.
Post by: thistleknot on August 08, 2012, 09:56:39 am
I was also speaking of a preference 'grid view'. Basically a grid view where the top column are the preference items and the rows are the dorfs
Post by: Kaiser Reinhard on August 09, 2012, 03:02:02 am
Post by: splinterz on August 09, 2012, 05:30:17 am
Could someone upload splinter's dwarf therapist to mediafire? I can't use rapidshare
i'll start uploading again to mediafire as well now that they seem to have fixed their site's issues. here is the mediafire download link to the most recent version. (http://www.mediafire.com/?veivu76nmat7avf)
Post by: Kaiser Reinhard on August 09, 2012, 10:13:09 am
Could someone upload splinter's dwarf therapist to mediafire? I can't use rapidshare
i'll start uploading again to mediafire as well now that they seem to have fixed their site's issues. here is the mediafire download link to the most recent version. (http://www.mediafire.com/?veivu76nmat7avf)
Thanks!
Post by: JanusTwoface on August 09, 2012, 11:11:41 am
Could someone upload splinter's dwarf therapist to mediafire? I can't use rapidsharei'll start uploading again to mediafire as well now that they seem to have fixed their site's issues. here is the mediafire download link to the most recent version. (http://www.mediafire.com/?veivu76nmat7avf)
Any particular reason that you don't want to use the Dwarf Fortress File Depot (http://dffd.wimbli.com/)? It's kind of what it was designed for.
Alternatively, it seems that DwarfEngineer seems to have wondered off, but perhaps you could merge your branch into the main branch and use the Google Code page for development and hosting?
Post by: splinterz on August 09, 2012, 12:40:23 pm
Could someone upload splinter's dwarf therapist to mediafire? I can't use rapidsharei'll start uploading again to mediafire as well now that they seem to have fixed their site's issues. here is the mediafire download link to the most recent version. (http://www.mediafire.com/?veivu76nmat7avf)
Any particular reason that you don't want to use the Dwarf Fortress File Depot (http://dffd.wimbli.com/)? It's kind of what it was designed for.
Alternatively, it seems that DwarfEngineer seems to have wondered off, but perhaps you could merge your branch into the main branch and use the Google Code page for development and hosting?
i've always had terrible download speeds on dffd, but this is small enough it wouldn't be a bad idea... i believe it is planned to merge at some point, originally when i was finished up with the new features... which just kept growing :D
i don't have any access to the main branch so it'll be up to DwarfEngineer to perform the merge whenever he's got time and if he wants to.
Post by: Raul on August 09, 2012, 02:45:18 pm
i don't have any access to the main branch so it'll be up to DwarfEngineer to perform the merge whenever he's got time and if he wants to.I don't know why he wouldn't wanna merge, your branch is awesome ;)
Post by: Xgamer4 on August 09, 2012, 05:27:34 pm
Post by: Mr.Elendig on August 11, 2012, 05:45:45 pm
At the risk of looking dumb, is there a native version of Dwarf Therapist for Linux? I download the supposed Windows SDL & Linux version, but it just opens in Wine and doesn't see a running version of Linux DF. Do I need to compile it by hand, or is this just a case of me being dumb?What distro are you on? It is packaged for some distroes (I maintain it for archlinux (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=60079))
@splinterz
There is a problem with 'DFInstanceLinux::find_running_copy'. It naively calls `pidof` which doesn't exist on all systems, which causes it to error. For some reason the app then later still tries to ptrace(..., m_pid, ...) without checking its value , which since it has been initialized to 0, fails horribly. (disclaimer: I suck at c++ so my mind might have failed to parse the code correct)
Edit: best way to get the pid is probably to trawl /proc, it's fast and doesn't rely on anything external.
Post by: Xgamer4 on August 12, 2012, 11:18:02 am
At the risk of looking dumb, is there a native version of Dwarf Therapist for Linux? I download the supposed Windows SDL & Linux version, but it just opens in Wine and doesn't see a running version of Linux DF. Do I need to compile it by hand, or is this just a case of me being dumb?What distro are you on? It is packaged for some distroes (I maintain it for archlinux (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=60079))
Ubuntu. I can't seem to find a package, but I'm also not sure where I'd look, either.
Post by: Mr.Elendig on August 12, 2012, 12:23:23 pm
If you need help poke me in #dwarffortress on freenode
ppa (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas) would be the place for look for packages, but the last time I checked noone had packaged it yet.
Post by: Xgamer4 on August 13, 2012, 01:50:31 pm
splintermind-attributes is fairly easy to compile by hand. Just clone the hg repo and run qmake && make (you need qt4 devel headers etc ofcourse)
If you need help poke me in #dwarffortress on freenode
ppa (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas) would be the place for look for packages, but the last time I checked noone had packaged it yet.
Ok, I got it compiled and running just fine. The only slight hiccup is that I need to run it with sudo so it can attach to the Dwarf Fortress process. I'm not sure if that's normal or not, but other than that, it works just fine. Thanks for the help.
Post by: Mr S on August 13, 2012, 02:02:45 pm
Post by: Peaceful Slugman on August 13, 2012, 02:04:50 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65326.msg2565429#msg2565429
Post by: vadia on August 13, 2012, 08:00:54 pm
or look acording to migrant wave?
or filter out nicknamed dwarves?
Post by: acetech09 on August 13, 2012, 10:33:59 pm
I've tried updating it the ye-olde way, but it fails to find the creature vector (nickname) for 34.11
Post by: walberg on August 14, 2012, 06:16:01 am
is there a way to ignore military when looking at the list of labors?
Group by Squad using the Group By drop-down box in the top left (roughly under the Connect to DF button) - all non-military will be in the No Squad group.
or look acording to migrant wave?
There is also a group by Migration Wave option.
or filter out nicknamed dwarves?
This is a little more difficult but can probably be done by writing a custom filter under the Scripting menu option.
Post by: Raven on August 15, 2012, 05:48:24 am
about how a dwarf is fit for a role for example... how does that count anyway? is it based on traits and attribute calculation perhaps?
Post by: Dutchling on August 16, 2012, 03:37:54 pm
Post by: Urist MacFrench on August 16, 2012, 04:13:26 pm
Is it possible to make DT not show certain skills in the skill list? My screen isn't wide enough for the program and I am not interested in half the skills anyway.That would be great :)
What about another panel in the options, named "skills you want to see in the labor panel", with everything marked "on" by default ?
Btw, about the options panel, here is a tiny bug : part of the words don't appear on top. 100% reproductible, Linux only bug, not Windows.
(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/851573Capturedu20120804180937.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=851573Capturedu20120804180937.png)
Post by: splinterz on August 17, 2012, 09:54:47 am
Is it possible to make DT not show certain skills in the skill list? My screen isn't wide enough for the program and I am not interested in half the skills anyway.
are you talking about the tooltip, or the columns themselves in a particular view?
Post by: Dutchling on August 17, 2012, 11:39:45 am
Post by: splinterz on August 17, 2012, 04:14:14 pm
The columns themselves. Fro all I know there might be an option for it but I didn't find it.
just make a copy of the view, or create your own view and choose whatever columns, colors, etc. you'd like.
Post by: acetech09 on August 17, 2012, 07:21:26 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on August 18, 2012, 11:24:48 am
So no answer for my question? I still can't find the mac 34.11 patch.
It appears that it hasn't been updated past version 34.10.[/obvious]
Post by: Intrinsic on August 18, 2012, 01:06:28 pm
So no answer for my question? I still can't find the mac 34.11 patch.
It appears that it hasn't been updated past version 34.10.[/obvious]
As has been stated a million times already when asked, it was working with 34.11 on the day it was released...splinterz version is the most recent and upto date just go back a few pages and download that.
Post by: Slyjoker87 on August 22, 2012, 02:46:59 am
So no answer for my question? I still can't find the mac 34.11 patch.
It appears that it hasn't been updated past version 34.10.[/obvious]
As has been stated a million times already when asked, it was working with 34.11 on the day it was released...splinterz version is the most recent and upto date just go back a few pages and download that.
Tried downloading it, but it appears to be the .exe version - not a mac version. Le sigh :(
Post by: Mr S on August 22, 2012, 08:12:03 am
Post by: Slyjoker87 on August 22, 2012, 11:16:55 am
Are you looking for a Mac executable or ready to compile? If the latter, I do believe Splinterz branch has a Google Code page (I may be out to lunch on the code repository of choice), so I'd say search this thread back through the last dozen pages or so (could be less, not sure) for a link to the project page.
http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/
Here is the Google Code page. I have no idea what to do with the source code. I just don't have time to mess around with it. If anyone has time to post a tutorial for the mac users that would be awesome.
Post by: zenerbufen on August 28, 2012, 07:22:59 am
Post by: LoSboccacc on August 28, 2012, 07:31:16 am
Has anyone gotten this working on the mac for .34.11? I couldn't get the one on the first post to download the updated id file.
Heh. You coulda just used mine from a few pages back in the thread. I promise yours won't warp your mac into another dimension, since they appear to be the same as mine :)I got tired of waiting for the "official" OSX offsets, so I made an attempt to do them myself. Based on personal quick tests, these look to be working fine, but no guarantees this won't make your mac warp to another dimension.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Aww crap, I wish I would have seen that. Oh well, thanks for your work. At least now I know my numbers aren't bad!
Post by: eataTREE on August 31, 2012, 12:29:31 pm
;)
Post by: Rose on August 31, 2012, 01:26:52 pm
Hey guys! I have this great idea for a new invention! It's called the wheel!
;)
Your post would have more merit if the only other option weren't sledges.
Post by: zenerbufen on September 01, 2012, 05:29:19 am
Post by: Cespinarve on September 02, 2012, 01:27:04 pm
I USED to know how to get the latest DT to work on my Mac, but I have a new laptop now and no memory of what I did. Something something offsets is all I know. I did download the Dwarf Therapist-17.zip but its not MAc formatted, and now I just feel dumber than usual.
Any help?
Post by: Slyjoker87 on September 02, 2012, 03:09:08 pm
A little help for an idiot.
I USED to know how to get the latest DT to work on my Mac, but I have a new laptop now and no memory of what I did. Something something offsets is all I know. I did download the Dwarf Therapist-17.zip but its not MAc formatted, and now I just feel dumber than usual.
Any help?
1. Open package contents of dwarf therapist.
2. Goto Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx
3. Copypasta the 34.11 offsets into one of the existing ini files
Try that.
Post by: redshield3 on September 03, 2012, 05:57:08 pm
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I'm sorry but I don't know how to talk to this version of Dwarf Fortress! (checksum:0x8f421f9c)
Supported Versions:
v0.34.05(0x3db6627a)
v0.34.06(0x8a93b19d)
v0.34.04(0xdf8202f3)
v0.34.07(0x20d42b0f)
So I'm getting this after going into /Applications/DwarfTherapist.app/Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx , making a copy of the 0.34.07 ini file, and then editing that file by replacing the 0.34.07 checksum with the reported one (0x8f421f9c) and changing the version number within the INI file, and then finally renaming the file to v0.34.11.ini.
So... what did I do wrong?
Post by: Slyjoker87 on September 03, 2012, 06:09:31 pm
QuoteI'm sorry but I don't know how to talk to this version of Dwarf Fortress! (checksum:0x8f421f9c)
Supported Versions:
v0.34.05(0x3db6627a)
v0.34.06(0x8a93b19d)
v0.34.04(0xdf8202f3)
v0.34.07(0x20d42b0f)
So I'm getting this after going into /Applications/DwarfTherapist.app/Contents/MacOS/etc/memory_layouts/osx , making a copy of the 0.34.07 ini file, and then editing that file by replacing the 0.34.07 checksum with the reported one (0x8f421f9c) and changing the version number within the INI file, and then finally renaming the file to v0.34.11.ini.
So... what did I do wrong?
I tried that, and it didn't work. So instead I directly replaced one of the existing files - I went in and copied over and then resaved. Try that.
Post by: zenerbufen on September 04, 2012, 02:18:39 am
9/4/12 12:15:41.364 AM ReportCrash[23509]: failed looking up LS service ( scCreateSystemService returned MACH_PORT_NULL, called from SetupCoreApplicationServicesCommunicationPort, so using client-side NULL calls.
Dwarf Fortress and dfhack both work fine.
Post by: Slyjoker87 on September 04, 2012, 11:37:37 am
None of that works for me, I simply get a crash on launch:
9/4/12 12:15:41.364 AM ReportCrash[23509]: failed looking up LS service ( scCreateSystemService returned MACH_PORT_NULL, called from SetupCoreApplicationServicesCommunicationPort, so using client-side NULL calls.
Dwarf Fortress and dfhack both work fine.
No idea on that. I'm still running snow leopard though.
Post by: vonduus on September 18, 2012, 09:28:16 am
I have one problem though. I am trying to set up an early warning system inspired by Girlinhats Animal Powered Watchtower. I have built a series of towers, and bred 5 Roosters, 5 Drakes and 3 Ganders to work there as guards. Each tower has a one-tile pasture zone, and the idea was to assign one animal to each tower.
Problem is: All five roosters have got the same name: "Stray Rooster", so after assigning two-three of them I have no idea which of the roosters are actually assigned and which aren't, so I typically end up with reassigning the same rooster again and again. I tried giving them nicknames ("EW01" etc.) in DT, but there seems to be no way to see animal nicknames in DF.
So my question is: Is there a way to see animal nicknames in DF? And if not, are there other ways of making animals unique?
edit: I just found a way to get the job done. I first unassign all roosters, and then only assign those that are not marked as assigned in the DF zoning menu. Which is a pain, given the DF zoning interface with all the unsorted animals, goblins and what-know-I. So my question still stands.
Partially unrelated request: Is it possible to have a column showing which animals are chained? And another one, showing which animals are zoned? In addition to the cage column?
Post by: Lesconrads on September 21, 2012, 06:04:19 am
It looks amazing! My only problem on first start up though: having the names of the jobs so that I have to tilt my head is super distracting. Do you get used to it?
Can I do anything about it?
Post by: Murmur on September 21, 2012, 06:08:10 am
I've played DF vanilla for the entire time I've played it - now I'm looking into dwarf the rapist.
It looks amazing! My only problem on first start up though: having the names of the jobs so that I have to tilt my head is super distracting. Do you get used to it?
Can I do anything about it?
I had that very same problem at first too! But after a little while I got used to it. Now I can use the program without tilting my head at all!
Post by: Lesconrads on September 21, 2012, 06:50:26 am
Nevertheless I wish there was any other option. My suggestion would be some icons additionally to the text with the option to only use the icons (+ mouse over tool tip, I guess), flipped Text abbreviation
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^ that or something.
I hope I'm not stirring up a much discussed topic again - I did not read all the 160 pages of this thread but only the last few.
Post by: DNK on September 21, 2012, 07:23:45 am
X=dark blue, O = navy blue
(for the smithing labors)
XOOOXOOOX
Post by: splinterz on September 21, 2012, 08:02:56 am
Post by: decev on September 25, 2012, 05:26:14 am
The other problem is that dwarf fortress seems to crash sometimes when saving and I have the splinterz version running. It's very intermittent so I can't even be sure that DF is the problem, but it seems like it.
I built this for use on Ubuntu 12.04 32 bit. I don't see either of these problems on the "normal" DF.
Has anyone else had these issues at all?
Post by: splinterz on September 25, 2012, 09:23:20 am
Post by: knutor on September 25, 2012, 01:32:01 pm
Post by: Justiceface on October 23, 2012, 07:31:14 pm
Augh, I only wish I could see this on my machine! I downloaded Splinterz' DF, but it's a .zip and runs in Mono or Wine, so naturally it can't see the native Linux DF session that's running. I've gotten used to running DF without this tool, but after I hit 50 or so dwarves it's something I would find very handy. How on earth did you get DT running on Ubuntu? >:(Is it possible to make DT not show certain skills in the skill list? My screen isn't wide enough for the program and I am not interested in half the skills anyway.That would be great :)
What about another panel in the options, named "skills you want to see in the labor panel", with everything marked "on" by default ?
Btw, about the options panel, here is a tiny bug : part of the words don't appear on top. 100% reproductible, Linux only bug, not Windows.
(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/851573Capturedu20120804180937.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=851573Capturedu20120804180937.png)
Post by: splinterz on October 25, 2012, 08:32:22 am
Augh, I only wish I could see this on my machine! I downloaded Splinterz' DF, but it's a .zip and runs in Mono or Wine, so naturally it can't see the native Linux DF session that's running. I've gotten used to running DF without this tool, but after I hit 50 or so dwarves it's something I would find very handy. How on earth did you get DT running on Ubuntu? >:(
you'll have to grab the source and compile it as per the instructions here. (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/BuildingDwarfTherapist) just make sure to change the clone address from https://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/hg/ to https://splintermind@code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/
Post by: thistleknot on October 26, 2012, 12:22:06 pm
I much prefer the splinterz version, but it has two problems for me. First is that the size of the grid changes back and forth between squares and tall rectangles, about half the time when I click on it. For example, I'll want to enable all the medical labors on a dwarf. When I click "diagnosis" all of the squares will change to rectangles which moves the labor checkbox for surgery down about an inch or two on my screen. When I click that one they change back into squares and move back up. It's way more annoying than it sounds.
Has anyone else had these issues at all?
yes. me. i think it has to do with the nobles special chars in the front that cause all other cells to resize. something like that. the cells r based on the 1sr rows height
Post by: thistleknot on October 26, 2012, 10:17:04 pm
meant for masterwork mod
Post by: proxn_punkd on October 30, 2012, 03:43:03 pm
If not, can I get a link to the .31.25-compatible version?
Post by: Aerval on October 30, 2012, 03:59:03 pm
Hey, does this version work on .31.25? I'm not comfortable with DF 2012 so I'm going back to a version I am comfortable with.
If not, can I get a link to the .31.25-compatible version?
It's all there (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/SupportedGameVersions). Not sure about splinterz version, u would have to check the memory layouts (Hack folder: /etc/memory_layouts)
Post by: proxn_punkd on October 30, 2012, 04:12:52 pm
Post by: thistleknot on October 30, 2012, 07:04:09 pm
Is there a way to get the group by to nest?
such as if I want
group by migration wave
then group by # of labors per dwarf.
then by militia?
get my meaning?
Post by: thistleknot on November 04, 2012, 11:56:37 am
v14 has a new straight column, which shows what the #'s would look like without any buffer
and on the second sheet, there's explanations of what each of the configurable fields mean.
http://youtu.be/YWYSYR66oMU
Post by: thistleknot on November 05, 2012, 03:53:43 pm
To avoid having to figure out who should be archer/melee
have a way to show who is best at what job out of what jobs is displayed on the grid view.
For example, I have a custom view that shows melee, and ranged custom roles. Since there attributes/traits are very similar, and their skills share half the skills needed for these roles, they score around each other.
But... if I could easily see who was best fit for melee and ranged (which I can, I have to extend the top x number of roles in the detail pane, which is a pain, because it uses all roles, what I want is to limit it to the roles in the grid view). Then I can assign to the position I want more efficiently.
Update:
The feature is nice, but I was able to get it to work without it, by comparing it to the next column in my grid view... I just wish there was a way to show who is best melee (top 10, BUT ONLY IF melee score is higher than their range role), got to be a way to filter it. But I guess I could use custom scripts (not sure how, I got to get one custom role to be second to the other)
Post by: walberg on November 06, 2012, 06:54:03 am
Post by: thistleknot on November 06, 2012, 12:08:26 pm
Post by: thistleknot on November 06, 2012, 12:13:03 pm
It is supposed to export the current grid view values into a csv format.
But it doesn't work in v17 (maybe because the grid views have different calculations?)
Anyone who wants to take a look at it and let me know what you think is the issue, I'd be in your debt. I hope to use this csv export for an autolabor type plugin for dfhack.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7102
It's a segmentation fault happening in viewcolumn.cpp, apparently some cell is being referenced that shouldn't be.
Update:
Figured it out :)
need to update my code to include this...
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if(DT->user_settings()->value("options/hide_children_and_babies",true).toBool() == false
|| (d->profession()!="Child" && d->profession()!="Baby"))
Post by: thistleknot on November 06, 2012, 10:06:57 pm
a way to search for preferences (rather than just show), like a grid view of sorts. It seems preferences are multi-dimensional (since there's multiple categories of preferences. almost would need a very large grid view that showed Materials, Items, Food & Drink, Dislikes, Creatures, etc... and each specific item PER dwarf)., so I'm not sure how one could do a grid view, it would be huge, but without it, one would have to view each dwarf for there preferences and assign them... kind of like the old way of doing stuff inside Dwarf Fortress.
Post by: Mr S on November 06, 2012, 10:21:31 pm
Post by: thistleknot on November 06, 2012, 11:06:51 pm
Post by: Mr S on November 06, 2012, 11:18:43 pm
Post by: splinterz on November 07, 2012, 06:15:37 am
feature request:
a way to search for preferences (rather than just show), like a grid view of sorts. It seems preferences are multi-dimensional (since there's multiple categories of preferences. almost would need a very large grid view that showed Materials, Items, Food & Drink, Dislikes, Creatures, etc... and each specific item PER dwarf)., so I'm not sure how one could do a grid view, it would be huge, but without it, one would have to view each dwarf for there preferences and assign them... kind of like the old way of doing stuff inside Dwarf Fortress.
yeah i considered creating a huge grid, but even with large populations, most preferences only belong to a few dwarves, which results in a lot of wasted/empty space. under the assumption that you want to check preferences for role/job/labor assignments, i figured that the combination of showing the preferences for each dwarf, and the window to show totals would be sufficient.
perhaps you can explain what you're trying to accomplish so i can better understand where improvements could be made?
Post by: thistleknot on November 07, 2012, 08:53:59 am
Post by: thistleknot on November 07, 2012, 09:03:12 am
Post by: splinterz on November 07, 2012, 12:57:08 pm
if I wanted to find bed constructing as a preference, the only way I know how to do it is look through every dwarf. That's the main issue. A search feature would be nice if a grid can't be accomodated.
use the preferences window. sort by the name, scroll down to 'Beds' and click on the row. the current grid will filter to only show those dwarves who have beds in their preferences. alternatively you can hover the cursor over the numbers and it will give you the names of the dwarves.
Post by: martinuzz on November 07, 2012, 10:21:49 pm
Post by: Raul on November 07, 2012, 10:23:28 pm
Do I understand correctly that DT does not work yet for the latest version of DF? (0.34.11)?Did you try using splinterz's version?
Post by: martinuzz on November 07, 2012, 10:31:59 pm
Post by: Raul on November 07, 2012, 10:34:39 pm
Post by: martinuzz on November 07, 2012, 10:35:23 pm
Post by: falconne on November 07, 2012, 10:43:06 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on November 08, 2012, 05:38:07 am
Could dwarf therapist.ini be moved into the dwarf therapist folder, rather be buried in some deep app data folder. The main reasoning I ask is because sometimes I have custom roles saved in there, and when moving the dwarf therapist folder from pc to pc, I have to dig this file out to and replace it.
I asked for this months ago but it was a no go ;p so i wrote a lil script with which i launch DT:
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IF NOT EXIST "INI" md "INI"
IF NOT EXIST "%APPDATA%\UDP Software" md "%APPDATA%\UDP Software"
IF NOT EXIST "%APPDATA%\UDP Software\Dwarf Therapist.ini" (
move /-Y "INI\Dwarf Therapist.ini" "%APPDATA%\UDP Software\Dwarf Therapist.ini" )
DwarfTherapist.exe
move /-Y "%APPDATA%\UDP Software\Dwarf Therapist.ini" ".\INI\Dwarf Therapist.ini"Edit: i should add that you put this in your DT directory and i just have a shortcut to it on my desktop.
Post by: knutor on November 08, 2012, 11:29:03 am
I agree it would be nice to have all Therapist in the same place.
Last time that AppData virus infected me, I lost my user profile and all its contents. This time I caught it, trying to take over in time to lock the user profile and end its task from a safe user profile, one of course with privileges.
Don't do what I did and foolishly hit that mini icon in the panel by clock, did that the first time. I got it from an .mp3 file site and a dirty .mp3 file. *blush*
Post by: malmstrom on November 08, 2012, 12:21:53 pm
Thanks for the support!
Post by: thistleknot on November 08, 2012, 11:17:13 pm
either will be in dfhack, or more preferably therapist.
I think i'm on my own, but I may have the tools to get it up at least with dfhack, I think I have the tools for Therapist as well, but reading advanced qt code is a bit much for me. I might post a snippet of what I got when I finish the prototype tonight.
here's my code for anyone that know's programming
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've hit my beer limit for coding tonight/today... will try to implement this hopefully soon.
Update:
Now it outputs some relevant information...
What it does:
Creates a 1 dimensional array sorting highest role rating to lowest role rating (after multiplying each role rating by a role weight), then assigns starting from the top of the list on down until is finishes going through the list. So it doesn't do it by dwarf or by role, but highest % first and working down.
The role weight is used to weight some roles as more important than others, effectively reducing the role % (and it's position in the 1 dimensional list). I think I have the prototype working satisfactory that I can now go to a production version inside DT.
Update:
w00t! Got a clear_Labors button working!
now onto creating my superStruct inside DT...
then the optimize_Labors button and matching function!
Update:
My clear_Labors only works on ALL dwarves... which is no good. I need to limit it to filtered dwarves... which is a pain in the ass!
Update:
clear_labors works on only selected dwarf's! Now the real fun begins!
Post by: dreamt on November 13, 2012, 01:30:16 pm
I tried compiling splinterz's version, but it won't build for me.
Any ideas?
Post by: knutor on November 13, 2012, 01:49:58 pm
Or more specifically when my graphics folder doesn't contain the tileset, the init files thinks it should contain. Maybe check that MacNewbie doesn't call the wrong tileset, or something similar in the init settings.
Post by: dreamt on November 13, 2012, 02:12:54 pm
Post by: knutor on November 13, 2012, 04:40:32 pm
By default this is 2D. Try TEXT.
Post by: dreamt on November 13, 2012, 06:05:12 pm
Post by: thistleknot on November 16, 2012, 12:07:12 am
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3773408#msg3773408
Here's me loading up roles into DT via a csv file... (csv file consists of these entries role_name, labor_id, priority_weight, num_to_assign)
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void MainWindow::initializeSuperStruct()
{
QList<Dwarf*> m_selected_dwarfs = m_view_manager->get_selected_dwarfs();
int d_count = m_selected_dwarfs.size();
//get labors per dwarf
bool ok;
QString labors_p = QInputDialog::getText(0, tr("Labors per dwarf"),
tr("How many dwarves do you want to assign per labor?"), QLineEdit::Normal,"", &ok);
if (!ok)
return;
int labors_per = labors_p.toInt();
//get csv filename
ok = 0;
QString file_name = QInputDialog::getText(0, tr("CSV input file"),
tr("Name of input file for assigning labors?"), QLineEdit::Normal,"", &ok);
if (!ok)
return;
//int file_name = csv_n.toInt();
using namespace std;
//dwarf count, to be pulled from selection
//labor count, to be pulled from init .csv
int role_count = 0;
//does not work
string st;
//SUPERSTRUCT!
QVector <superStruct> sorter;
QVector <roles> ListOfRolesV;
//ifstream f( filename.c_str() );
//ifstream f("role_labor_list.csv");
string f_holder = file_name.toStdString();
ifstream f(f_holder.c_str());
//ifstream f (file_name.c_str());
//loops through each line in the file
while (getline (f, st))
{
int pos = 1;
//placeholder
roles p_holder;
//gets the line for processing
istringstream iss( st );
//loops through each , in one line
while (getline (iss, st, ','))
{
//role_name, labor_id, priority_weight, num_to_assign
if (pos == 1)
{
p_holder.role_name = QString::fromStdString(st);
}
else if (pos == 2)
{
int fieldValue = 0;
istringstream (st) >> fieldValue;
p_holder.labor_id = fieldValue;
}
else if (pos == 3)
{
float fieldValue = 0.0f;
istringstream (st) >> fieldValue;
p_holder.priority = fieldValue;
}
else if (pos == 4)
{
int fieldValue = 0;
istringstream (st) >> fieldValue;
p_holder.numberToAssign = fieldValue;
}
p_holder.numberAssigned = 0;
pos++;
}
ListOfRolesV.push_back(p_holder);
pos = 1;
}
f.close();
role_count = ListOfRolesV.size();
//now time to initialize the superStruct
//count # dwarf's
//foreach(Dwarf *d, m_view_manager->get_selected_dwarfs()) {d_count++;}
//resize based on # dwarfs * # of roles
sorter.resize(d_count*role_count);
QString *temp;
int sstruct_pos = 0;
//for(int sstruct_pos = 0; sstruct_pos < sorter.size(); sstruct_pos++)
{
//cycle through each Dwarf,
foreach (Dwarf *d, m_view_manager->get_selected_dwarfs())
{
int dwarf_count = 0;
//cycle through each Role in ListOfRolesV
for (int role_entry = 0; role_entry < ListOfRolesV.size(); role_entry++)
{
//problem here... need a role per dwarf which I have, but Dwarf doesn't have anywhere to save a w_percent...
//Could just load into superStruct, but it won't be a pointer...
sorter[sstruct_pos].d_id = d->id();
sorter[sstruct_pos].labor_id = ListOfRolesV[role_entry].p_l_id();
//QString role_name = ListOfRolesV[role_entry].p_r_name();
//not sure if this is what I want
sorter[sstruct_pos].role_name = ListOfRolesV[role_entry].p_r_name();
//can't use pointers with this
sorter[sstruct_pos].r_percent = d->get_role_rating(ListOfRolesV[role_entry].role_name);
sorter[sstruct_pos].w_percent = ListOfRolesV[role_entry].priority * d->get_role_rating(ListOfRolesV[role_entry].role_name);
sstruct_pos++;
}
//probably not needed
dwarf_count ++;
}
}
//used for debug pause
int test = 0;
//sort superstruct by w_percent
//runs through list
for (int i = 0; i < sorter.size(); i++)
{
//checks against lower element
//cout << *s->at(i).pPercent << endl;
for (int j = 1; j < (sorter.size()-i); j++)
{
//using pointer dereferences messed this up, but, not using them doesn't sort right
if (sorter[j-1].w_percent < sorter[j].w_percent)
{
swap(sorter[j-1], sorter[j]);
}
}
}
//now to assign labors!
//vs running through each labor, and assigning up to max # dwarf's...
//1. need to start from top of allRoles
//2. see what labor is, see if goal is met.
//DONE (via csv input) for DEPLOY APP, need to change this to see if labor is asked for
//3. Y - Skip (use while statement)
//4. N -
//a. Check Dwarf to see if he is available (again, while Statement),
//not available if has conflicting labor
// Y - Assign
// N - Skip
//start from top of list.
for (int sPos = 0; sPos < sorter.size(); sPos++)
{
//dwarf position (used for searching of name)
//I would like to set these to pointers, but I was getting out of bound issues...
int dPos = 0;
//role position
int rPos = 0;
//cycle through each dwarf? I should, but, I can use the *s->at(x).name to find the Dwarf #
//no, need to compare roleName to dwarfName
//search for Dwarf (y) for that role
for (int d = 0; d < d_count; d++)
{
//dPos is never getting updated.
//int temp = d->id();
if (sorter[sPos].d_id == m_selected_dwarfs.at(d)->id())
{
dPos = d;
//break;
};
//dPos++;
}
//match superStruct roleName to myRoles name position (to check if filled up)
for (int r = 0; r < ListOfRolesV.size(); r++)
{
if (sorter[r].role_name == ListOfRolesV[r].role_name)
{
rPos = r;
//break;
};
};
//search if role @ rPos is filled up
//role check started...
if (ListOfRolesV[rPos].numberAssigned < *ListOfRolesV[rPos].n_assign())
{
//need to compare to total_assigned_labors,
//this will be used for Custom Professions
int currentAssigned = m_selected_dwarfs.at(dPos)->total_assigned_labors();
//is Dwarf (d) laborsAssigned full? Used in proto-type
if (currentAssigned < labors_per)
{
//another check to check for conflicting laborid's,
//AND
//to see if labor_id flag is checked in Options.
int debug = ListOfRolesV[rPos].labor_id;
//m_selected_dwarfs.at(dPos)->toggle_labor(ListOfRolesV[rPos].labor_id);
m_selected_dwarfs.at(dPos)->toggle_labor(debug);
//assign labor (z) to Dwarf @ dPos
//add labor (z?) to Dwarf's (d) labor vector
//m_selected_dwarfs.at(dPos).laborsAssigned.push_back(r->at(rPos).name);
//increase labors assigned to roles vector
//role check completed
ListOfRolesV[rPos].numberAssigned++;
}
}
}
m_model->calculate_pending();
};
If I didn't have kids, I could probably finish it tonight... but they crawl all over me likes monkeys and I'm made out of banana's...
But... I am making progress... I think by next weekend I'll have a version to post up that people can try out that will optimize labors...
I only need to do two more things to get it to work
1. Clear labors - check
2. Load roles from CSV - check
3. Load dwarf values into superStruct & sort by weighted_percent - started... the dwarf ID is loaded at the moment...
4. Assign Labors by going through superStruct weighted_percent descending...
btw, loading all your libraries/ide onto an ssd, and building on a ramdrive SERIOUSLY decreases the build time of DT. I can go to the bathroom and rebuild all vs waiting 15-20 minutes.
Update:
step 3 looks like it's completely loaded :) 46 roles were completely loaded, and my superstruct was completely setup for a ton of dwarfs and all values were present, there was a minor bug I fixed in a loop operation where it skipped the first role, but that was fixed :)
Just need to sort by w_percent, and then optimize the labors! I'll have to have a flag to check for the Miner, Ambusher/Hunter, Woodcutter labors, but that should be REALLY easy since I only have to do simple checks for laborID's
there is a good chance this will be completed this weekend!
Update:
I don't have much time this morning before my Pathfinder game, but... I was able to ask the player for how many labors per dwarf once he clicks optimize, as well as the name of the .csv input file (that contains all the roles, labors, priority, number to assign per labor).
Maybe before I leave, I can get it to sort...
Update:
fyi, if you've been following the spreadsheet version... this actually does some things that the spreadsheet can't, such as sort by role % vs sort by roles.
Example... before, each labor was assigned as such
x = labor colum
y = dwarf row
role % (z) = x,y
labors were assigned by x column, picking top num per role
now...
labors are assigned by
z = x,y position
so now assignments are assigned by z vs x
so all role %'s are sorted, and then the matching x,y is looked up, and assign up to number of dwarfs per x, and number of labors per y.
Update:
I'm kind of stuck right now... Splinterz says I shouldn't bother with pointers... but even the dwarf object is a pointer in most things, and that's an issue as well.
So... have to work through this, but I'm on the labor optimization. Chances are, I'll still have it done this weekend. Going to sleep, I sent him a notice on it, I only had about an hour to work on this today.
Update:
I've finished the coding, now to debugging...having weird problems...
labor 11 maps to carpentry and not farming... I know it does because I hard coded 11 into QT creator and it still enables carpentry, but 12 is stone detailing (i.e. engraving), yet, that one matches the script editor's labor_id map...
and not just that... it's not assigning all my labors right... I think it's a loop issue, but... making progress.
Update: updated code posted...
Here's a link to the updated code (not working correctly!) but you can see where I'm going with this
http://www.mediafire.com/?46zx8x6tt8ennb7
AND SUCCESS!
http://tinypic.com/m/fvwz86/4
So... the problems were.
I had an rPos not getting updated correctly due to a wrong counter variable.
and my labor_id's were off because I was using skill_id's.
fixed, now all I have to do is implement the Miner, Hunter, Woodcutter check, and it's ready!
Update:
it's not respecting labor per dwarf, will have to get back to that this eve
Update:
IT WORKS NOW!
So far what it does
is clear currently assigned labors
assign labors based on a role that maps to a labor_id (specified by the user).
currently does not support custom professions.
Here it is!
http://www.mediafire.com/?9wwp1xo6ws9ls5h
source
http://www.mediafire.com/?dnnqqv9pmiin1j9
intro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm0X6LWsNpg&feature=youtu.be
Post by: thistleknot on November 22, 2012, 12:56:18 am
anyways...
Splinterz has seen my code, and is appalled (implementation, not concept) by most of it, but that's ok. I don't do it for a living, only aspire to... right now it's a hobby/interest (which is a shame, because so many of my friends, at least 2, who didn't know shit about computers before joining the Corps are making 150k each... yet, I was the computer guy in High School)... I know networking, but that's not what I want to do.
Wow, soapbox...
anyways, I'm thinking of updating the code to actually include the spreadsheet...
I'll still have to rely on a .csv input sheet... but I intend on eventually using a form for input variables (vs a csv sheet), and the input variables will be: role name, labor id, priority weight (which will simply be an input number specified by the user, probably simply values of 1 to .25), and a value that is proportionate to the rest of the values (or a straight %) problem is with c++... rounding (excel has nicer rounding features), which will be used to calculate matching % of the total jobs to assign
lastly a
%jobs
%jobs will be a % of...
total jobs
will be based on
jobs per dwarf
*
number of dwarfs
Update
...and done (source only)...
will send a new video and stuff possible this eve or tomorrow morning.
http://www.mediafire.com/?x21b1g4ey8xh5nv
what this does is essentially prevent one from having to use a new file as the population is changed.
Post by: thistleknot on November 23, 2012, 02:25:47 pm
http://www.mediafire.com/?13v28jjdbhw1ph4
Instructions are inside
took me about 5 minutes to assign everyone. I used the military.csv to assign melee to Wax working ranged to architect then I cleared all current military ingame used the right click option in DT to assign to Squads
then I excluded militia using filter scripts. then I assigned my new_roles.csv to the rest at .7 then I did nobles by sorting by total_assigned_labors then I did haulers to those not nobles and less than 4 labors :)
Post by: dnatabar on November 24, 2012, 04:00:16 am
I'l certainly try it out later today ^_^
Post by: thistleknot on November 24, 2012, 09:17:44 pm
I would say my spreadsheet is now obsolete :)
it served it's purpose well though
Updated:
This is some really nifty if statements... there's 3 conditions it has to check for.
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if ( (MHWExceed) && ((labor == 0) || (labor == 10) || (labor == 44)))
{
//truncate miner, hunter, woodcutter to population size
pre_number_to_assign = ListOfRolesV[x].coverage / MHWCoverage * m_selected_dwarfs.size();
}
else if (MHWExceed)
{
//since miner, hunter, woodcutter are being truncated down to population size, we need to remove that from the jobs to assign
pre_number_to_assign = ListOfRolesV[x].coverage / modifiedTotalCoverage * (jobs_to_assign - m_selected_dwarfs.size());
}
else
{
//normal
pre_number_to_assign = (ListOfRolesV[x].coverage / modifiedTotalCoverage) * jobs_to_assign;
}Basically some if checks for what my spreadsheet did to keep miner's, hunter's, and woodcutter's below population size...
Now it matches what I had for my spreadsheet (more so than it did before, I noticed some numbers were off)
ALSO, VERY IMPORTANT...
Since Splinterz version was using a CDF function to scale the %'s to the other values in a given role, that meant that comparing roles against each other using the %'s values was BAD! So... I removed it from my calculations for optimizations and used raw non CDF values... (CDF, cumulative distribution function, was used to make nice scaling ranges from 0 to 100% and to show who was good/bad in a given population for given task)
Updated again to include raw role rating in dwarf details pane right next to the cdf rating, so you guys can see what I'm talking about...
fixed a spelling, should have been reading how many labors per dwarf, not how many dwarfs per labor...
one more change... added tooltip for raw role rating in custom roles now...
http://www.mediafire.com/?fppcm82nt52blcp
Post by: thistleknot on November 26, 2012, 07:44:51 pm
messed with a lil, still prefer mine due to some rounding issues and the miner, woodcutter, hunter...
but! it works just like mine AND BETTER...
can't wait to see those few items tweaked, but one can always rely on him to make shit look professional!
Post by: Nostril actor on November 26, 2012, 08:08:52 pm
Post by: splinterz on November 27, 2012, 04:57:22 pm
So despite it looking like maybe in the near future I won't need to organize my dwarves myself (although this might be a bit undwarfy), I downloaded splinterz's most recent build and I'm really missing the sort by profession option. I've sorted my dwarves by profession for a while now and am wondering if there's is any way for me to somehow add it in myself, or if doing something like that would be very complicated, perhaps the feature could be readded to the new build?
is this when you've got them grouped by profession and you try to sort the first column?
Post by: Nostril actor on November 27, 2012, 07:40:39 pm
Post by: thistleknot on November 27, 2012, 10:22:50 pm
his numbers are a little different then mine, but only on labors that were low priority (and were coincidentally low skilled, such as shearer, spinner, i.e. I don't have many dwarf's with any skill in it, so I think he's doing some weird back end optimization on dwarf's with same role ratings on those labors, WHICH IS GREAT!!!, WHICH I had no suggestions really on how to do that other than pick dwarf's that were already assigned up with labors to take those on).
all the numbers were spot on though, I spent a lot of time to ensure maximum assignment, and I'm glad to see it was implemented correctly... not saying there can't be room for improvement, but the initial beta had lower #'s...
so moving in the right direction.
Post by: thistleknot on November 29, 2012, 09:41:08 am
hehe. i had an idea to group the preferences into their sub categories such as material or item.
splinterz says its a lot of work for such a small addition of happy thoughts.
something beneficial will result though
Update:
Okay, Splinterz and I came up with a great easy way to do this that allows for accurate results.
A preference ratio system that converts to a %.
Example:
Palm: 2
Beds: 1
Chairs: 1
If a Dwarf has a preference of Palm wood, then he has 2 / (2 + 1 + 1) = 50% rating for preferences.
The above example gives a 1:1 ratio of material:item types.
I guess I'll use a / for annotating type differences...
if I wanted to add more tree types and keep the ratio intact, I would merely do this
Cedar: 1 Palm: 1 / Beds: 1 Chairs: 1
So if I had another item type I'd like to add...
Cedar: 1.5 Palm: 1.5 / Beds: 1 Chairs: 1 Doors: 1
so now I have a 3 / 3 (i.e material/item) type ratio.
If I wanted to increase the weight of the materials, I could get a 2 / 1 ratio by doing the following
Cedar: 3 Palm: 3 / Beds: 1 Chairs: 1 Doors: 1
The resulting matches will be added together, and divided by the sum of all possible (above example for Cedar would be 3 / (3 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1) = 33%
will be added into the rest of the categories (attributes, skills, traits), average will be reported to Dwarf Therapist
UPDATE:
on second thought, this awesome idea might not work out so well.
It will always produce in lower % for the preference rating for roles that have a complete listing of all items and materials... which means no direct comparison between roles that do not have preferences holding them back.
So... instead Splinterz is thinking it's best to just add a small # to the current raw % if a preference is found, which is not statistical at all, but it's the only good idea we can think of.
Update:
not sure what direction Splinterz is working on, but I had this discussion with him. (paraphrased to another person)
we're thinking of a diminishing return straight additive bonus.
it's kind of complicated, but works like my bud said, first is 5%, second preference is 7.5%, 3rd is 8.75%
however, each diminishing return can have a different value, default is half the original if the value set by user is 1, but the user can set different values...
so yeah, kind of hard to explain.
The logic though is that multiple preferences affecting a role only really make a dwarf happy to do that job, and have a chance at producing masterwork items.
producing masterwork is a skill ability, so should it outweigh skills? A high skill in carpentry will always produce masterwork items.
happiness is also contributed by traits (such as patience).
So... preferences are a two for one deal, but not as powerful as the quantifiable statistics like traits, and skills.
Post by: splinterz on December 01, 2012, 07:33:26 am
- new labor optimization feature (optimization algorithm courtesy of Thistleknot)
- added search box to preference window
- new file menu action to export the current view to csv (Shishimaru)
- added new action to the grid context menu to clear the labors of currently selected dwarves
- added a selection count in the bottom status bar
- the preference dock now distinguishes between preferences of the same name, but different categories (i.e. Brass as a color and a material)
- clearing pending changes now updates column headers appropriately
- exiting custom role editing by clicking on the window's X no longer removes the role from the list
- sorting first column when grouped by profession works properly now
Project Home // Download (https://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
hopefully all the tooltips and status messages on the labor optimization planner are sufficient to get an idea on how to use the tool. as always feedback is encouraged!
please report any bug reports and i'll fix things up asap.
Post by: thistleknot on December 01, 2012, 11:20:33 pm
otherwise I have to open preferences and clear it from within preferences
Post by: thistleknot on December 02, 2012, 06:29:24 pm
Version 18.1 Change Log
bug fixes for optimization
fix for 'wood' showing up in english for other translations of the game
DOWNLOAD - Rapidshare (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7184)
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DOWNLOAD - DFFD (http://rapidshare.com/files/1289334811/Dwarf%20Therapist-18.1.zip)
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Post by: Nkosi_SW on December 19, 2012, 02:18:48 pm
Minor bug report: The dwarven caravan members are now showing up in DT when they visit to trade. I have 190 dwarves in my fort. The caravan has just arrived, and now I'm showing 204 in DT (an extra seven guards and seven merchants are fully listed).
I have a save if you want it, but I guess it can be replicated pretty easily. I'm running DT 18.1 and DF 34.11 SDL.
Post by: splinterz on December 19, 2012, 05:19:32 pm
Looks like great work guys. The optimizer is impressive - can't wait to start using it. Thanks heaps! :)
Minor bug report: The dwarven caravan members are now showing up in DT when they visit to trade. I have 190 dwarves in my fort. The caravan has just arrived, and now I'm showing 204 in DT (an extra seven guards and seven merchants are fully listed).
I have a save if you want it, but I guess it can be replicated pretty easily. I'm running DT 18.1 and DF 34.11 SDL.
i'll have another update finished soon, and it has some important fixes to optimization, so watch for it if you're interested in that feature!
thanks for the report, unfortunately i have a save with merchants, but they don't show up in DT, so i may still need you to upload that save if it's not too much trouble.
Post by: Nkosi_SW on December 19, 2012, 08:04:15 pm
thanks for the report, unfortunately i have a save with merchants, but they don't show up in DT, so i may still need you to upload that save if it's not too much trouble.
The caravan was halfway through arriving when I "Read Dwarves" in DT and it showed the extra 14 from the caravan. However, a minute or two later after the whole caravan had arrived, DT stopped showing the caravan members. My save is exactly when those extra 14 are showing, so hopefully it can help diagnose the problem.
Here is the save file (http://rapidshare.com/files/232603802/SavedGame.zip).
I can't remember where the screen is centered, but F7 is the hotkey for the Traders Depot in the unlikely event you need to look at it in-game.
Good luck and thanks again! Let me know what happens and if I can provide any other info. I'm also running DFHack, but hopefully that hasn't made a difference - I don't use it for much.
Post by: splinterz on December 20, 2012, 05:25:39 am
thanks for the report, unfortunately i have a save with merchants, but they don't show up in DT, so i may still need you to upload that save if it's not too much trouble.
The caravan was halfway through arriving when I "Read Dwarves" in DT and it showed the extra 14 from the caravan. However, a minute or two later after the whole caravan had arrived, DT stopped showing the caravan members. My save is exactly when those extra 14 are showing, so hopefully it can help diagnose the problem.
Here is the save file (http://rapidshare.com/files/232603802/SavedGame.zip).
I can't remember where the screen is centered, but F7 is the hotkey for the Traders Depot in the unlikely event you need to look at it in-game.
Good luck and thanks again! Let me know what happens and if I can provide any other info. I'm also running DFHack, but hopefully that hasn't made a difference - I don't use it for much.
so it turns out that those merchants had the same flags as migrants, but no merchant flags while off the map. once they appeared on the map, they were then flagged as merchants and DT hid them correctly. i think i've found a solution and i'll put it in the next release. thanks for sending the save file and the detailed report, it's a huge help.
Post by: Nkosi_SW on December 20, 2012, 12:22:13 pm
thanks for sending the save file and the detailed report, it's a huge help.
No problem at all. Thank YOU for the quick response and fix, and for making my DF experience far more enjoyable with your wonderful DT. :)
Post by: Nkosi_SW on December 21, 2012, 02:18:12 pm
The first suggestion is (hopefully) relatively minor. The "Group By" drop down box can list 10 categories, which I think back in the day used to be all of them. But there are now 16 categories, which necessitates much scrolling up and down over the course of a DF session. Would it be possible to make the number of concurrently displayed categories (ie the size of the drop down box) equal to the total number of categories?
The second suggestion is a bit more beefy. I put a fair bit of effort in to managing the highest moodable skills on all my dwarves to ensure I get the maximum number of artifact weapons and armour, and the minimum number of artifact toy forges. With around 200 dwarves, it's a big job, but it's made a lot harder because I can't directly tell who has already had a mood from the main view.
For example, I have twelve dwarves in the "Metalworker" custom profession and I want to set three of them to do metalcrafting, but I don't want any of the three to be ones who haven't yet had a mood, because the experience gain in metalcrafting skill could overtake the current highest moodable skill (say weaponsmith or armoursmith) and result in an artifact goblet. The only ways for me to tell who has already had a mood that I know about are to change Group By to Highest Moodable Skill, multi-select all the dwarves who have already had a mood, change back to group by Profession, and then enable the metalcrafting labour on the highlighted dwarves. Seeing as the multi-highlighting is lost as soon as I click to enable a labour, I have to go through the whole process again and again if I forget which dwarves are highlighted or there are a lot of dwarves to set labours for.
The other way to tell is to right-click on each dwarf in the "Metalworker" custom profession sequentially and select Show Details, scroll down the Skill list until I find the one that's highlighted in blue, hover the cursor over it until the tooltip appears and tells me if they've already had a mood, and then close the Details box. This gets pretty tedious pretty fast for lots of dwarves.
If I could tell who has had a mood from the main grid view that would save me so much time and fiddly effort. It seems to me the best solution would be a new column, "Highest Moodable Skill". It could re-use some of the icons from the "Current Job" column to indicate what is the current highest moodable skill, or the "No Job" icon to indicate there has already been a mood. An added advantage of this method would be the you could sort on this column.
Another way I can think of to do it would be to put a coloured border around the labour cells for the highest moodable skill, in the same way as for "Pending Changes", but with different colours. Say a blue border around the cell for the labour that is the current highest moodable skill, or a green border if they have already had a mood for that skill. The red of a pending change would take precedence over either of these. This method would not allow sorting.
A couple of minor ancillary suggestions are in the Details of a dwarf under Skills to change the highlight colour of the highest moodable skill if the have already had a mood (so you don't have to hover for the tooltip), and to add text to the header section of Details (around the Name and Age section) to say "Creator of <artifact name>" in the same way as the [v]iew - [g]eneral header section of DF (though this last suggestion might be a bit tricky I would guess and is not really important).
Anyway, just thought I'd make some suggestions that would make managing Highest Moodable Skills a whole lot easier. Look forward to hearing your thoughts, and thanks in advance for considering them.
Post by: thistleknot on December 22, 2012, 12:43:05 am
Post by: splinterz on December 22, 2012, 05:00:22 am
I have some suggestions that I thought I'd run past you splinterz and see what you thought. Make of them what you will. :)
The first suggestion is (hopefully) relatively minor. The "Group By" drop down box can list 10 categories, which I think back in the day used to be all of them. But there are now 16 categories, which necessitates much scrolling up and down over the course of a DF session. Would it be possible to make the number of concurrently displayed categories (ie the size of the drop down box) equal to the total number of categories?
The second suggestion is a bit more beefy. I put a fair bit of effort in to managing the highest moodable skills on all my dwarves to ensure I get the maximum number of artifact weapons and armour, and the minimum number of artifact toy forges. With around 200 dwarves, it's a big job, but it's made a lot harder because I can't directly tell who has already had a mood from the main view.
For example, I have twelve dwarves in the "Metalworker" custom profession and I want to set three of them to do metalcrafting, but I don't want any of the three to be ones who haven't yet had a mood, because the experience gain in metalcrafting skill could overtake the current highest moodable skill (say weaponsmith or armoursmith) and result in an artifact goblet. The only ways for me to tell who has already had a mood that I know about are to change Group By to Highest Moodable Skill, multi-select all the dwarves who have already had a mood, change back to group by Profession, and then enable the metalcrafting labour on the highlighted dwarves. Seeing as the multi-highlighting is lost as soon as I click to enable a labour, I have to go through the whole process again and again if I forget which dwarves are highlighted or there are a lot of dwarves to set labours for.
The other way to tell is to right-click on each dwarf in the "Metalworker" custom profession sequentially and select Show Details, scroll down the Skill list until I find the one that's highlighted in blue, hover the cursor over it until the tooltip appears and tells me if they've already had a mood, and then close the Details box. This gets pretty tedious pretty fast for lots of dwarves.
If I could tell who has had a mood from the main grid view that would save me so much time and fiddly effort. It seems to me the best solution would be a new column, "Highest Moodable Skill". It could re-use some of the icons from the "Current Job" column to indicate what is the current highest moodable skill, or the "No Job" icon to indicate there has already been a mood. An added advantage of this method would be the you could sort on this column.
Another way I can think of to do it would be to put a coloured border around the labour cells for the highest moodable skill, in the same way as for "Pending Changes", but with different colours. Say a blue border around the cell for the labour that is the current highest moodable skill, or a green border if they have already had a mood for that skill. The red of a pending change would take precedence over either of these. This method would not allow sorting.
A couple of minor ancillary suggestions are in the Details of a dwarf under Skills to change the highlight colour of the highest moodable skill if the have already had a mood (so you don't have to hover for the tooltip), and to add text to the header section of Details (around the Name and Age section) to say "Creator of <artifact name>" in the same way as the [v]iew - [g]eneral header section of DF (though this last suggestion might be a bit tricky I would guess and is not really important).
Anyway, just thought I'd make some suggestions that would make managing Highest Moodable Skills a whole lot easier. Look forward to hearing your thoughts, and thanks in advance for considering them.
i think these are some great ideas. first, for the dropdown, it's trivial to increase the amount of visible items, and i'll be sure to fix that in the next release. i like the idea of adding the highest moodable skill column, specifically because of the ability to sort. it's also easy to add additional column types so this is very feasible. i'll also try to change the color of the background for skills which have already had a mood in the details pane, that makes sense as well. i'll also see about adding some extra information about the highest moodable skill in some of the tooltips.
i can't comment on the artifact idea as i'd need to look into if it's possible, but it might be. i was hoping to get the next release out by now, but i noticed there's a nasty memory leak every time a read is performed that i'm trying to hunt down. hopefully i'll get it sorted soon before it drives me insane.
Post by: Nkosi_SW on December 22, 2012, 03:45:54 pm
I commend these detailed requests...
i think these are some great ideas.
Thanks for the positive feedback guys. :)
first, for the dropdown, it's trivial to increase the amount of visible items, and i'll be sure to fix that in the next release. i like the idea of adding the highest moodable skill column, specifically because of the ability to sort. it's also easy to add additional column types so this is very feasible. i'll also try to change the color of the background for skills which have already had a mood in the details pane, that makes sense as well. i'll also see about adding some extra information about the highest moodable skill in some of the tooltips.
Great to hear that these ideas are not completely unfeasible!
i can't comment on the artifact idea as i'd need to look into if it's possible, but it might be.
Yeah, that one's not too important at all. A nice touch, but probably not worth spending much time on.
i was hoping to get the next release out by now, but i noticed there's a nasty memory leak every time a read is performed that i'm trying to hunt down. hopefully i'll get it sorted soon before it drives me insane.
Ouch! Mysterious memory leaks are an enourmous pain in the arse. I haven't been tormented by one for a long time now, knock on wood. Good luck tracking it down.
Post by: arclance on December 23, 2012, 11:40:01 am
Code: [Select]
src/laboroptimizer.cpp: In member function ‘void LaborOptimizer::optimize_labors(QList<Dwarf*>)’:
src/laboroptimizer.cpp:133:5: error: ‘sort’ is not a member of ‘std’
make: *** [bin/release/laboroptimizer.o] Error 1
Post by: arclance on December 23, 2012, 08:24:24 pm
I just tired building the default branch from splintermind-attributes on Linux and it failed with this error.I was able to build it using a different distro.Code: [Select]src/laboroptimizer.cpp: In member function ‘void LaborOptimizer::optimize_labors(QList<Dwarf*>)’:
src/laboroptimizer.cpp:133:5: error: ‘sort’ is not a member of ‘std’
make: *** [bin/release/laboroptimizer.o] Error 1
It works there but not on my 64bit computer.
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2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.252 INFO core Dwarf Therapist "0.6.12" starting normally. [src/dwarftherapist.cpp:103] (setup_logging)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.313 INFO core Loaded 8 views from disk [src/viewmanager.cpp:136] (reload_views)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.314 DEBUG core group_by now set to 0 [src/models/dwarfmodel.cpp:782] (set_group_by)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.317 DEBUG core group_by now set to 0 [src/models/dwarfmodel.cpp:782] (set_group_by)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.317 DEBUG core "redrew views in 4ms" [src/viewmanager.cpp:258] (draw_views)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.361 DEBUG core setting up connections for MainWindow [src/mainwindow.cpp:140] (MainWindow)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.362 DEBUG core group_by now set to 0 [src/models/dwarfmodel.cpp:782] (set_group_by)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.363 DEBUG core beginning to read settings [src/dwarftherapist.cpp:125] (read_settings)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.363 DEBUG core finished reading settings [src/dwarftherapist.cpp:173] (read_settings)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.387 DEBUG core attempting connection to running DF game [src/mainwindow.cpp:262] (connect_to_df)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.389 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.389 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.11" "0xe966ee88" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.389 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.389 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.10" "0x71406692" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.390 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.390 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.09" "0xde041bf6" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.390 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.390 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.08" "0xe4a4d9c6" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.391 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.391 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.07" "0x61b4fa72" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.391 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.391 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.25" "0xfc15065c" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.391 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.391 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.24" "0xa47468ce" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.392 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.392 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.22" "0xc8e82e6e" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.392 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.392 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.22" "0xc7319be1" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.392 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.392 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.21" "0xc3d2af10" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.392 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.392 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.20" "0x6d33ec73" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.393 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.393 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.19" "0x8fcb1f10" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.393 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.393 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.18" "0x884f794d" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.393 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.393 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.17" "0x03afc836" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.393 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.393 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.16" "0x9cca2fa5" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.394 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.394 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.15" "0x1cd8dc24" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.394 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.394 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.08" "0xe3775089" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.394 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.394 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.05" "0xfea3801a" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.394 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.394 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.04" "0x1d759a11" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.394 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.394 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.28.181.40d16" "0xdab3ce6b" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.400 ERROR core Unable to open "/proc/0/maps" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:381] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.400 ERROR core Could not attach to PID 0 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:192] (attach)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.400 ERROR core Unable to open "/proc/0/mem" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:225] (read_raw)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.400 DEBUG core base_addr: 0 HEX 0 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:351] (find_running_copy)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.402 DEBUG core DF's checksum is "0x00000000" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:355] (find_running_copy)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:21.402 INFO core Dwarf fortress path: "/media/Linux_Data/Dwarf_Fortress/Utilities/DwarfTherapist/0_Build/dwarftherapist_2012-12-23/bin/release" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:362] (find_running_copy)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.532 DEBUG core attempting connection to running DF game [src/mainwindow.cpp:262] (connect_to_df)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.532 DEBUG core already connected, disconnecting [src/mainwindow.cpp:264] (connect_to_df)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.532 DEBUG core DFInstance baseclass virtual dtor! [src/dfinstance.cpp:123] (~DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.534 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.534 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.11" "0xe966ee88" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.534 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.534 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.10" "0x71406692" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.535 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.535 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.09" "0xde041bf6" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.535 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.535 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.08" "0xe4a4d9c6" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.535 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.535 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.07" "0x61b4fa72" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.25" "0xfc15065c" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.24" "0xa47468ce" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.22" "0xc8e82e6e" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.22" "0xc7319be1" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.21" "0xc3d2af10" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.20" "0x6d33ec73" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.536 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.19" "0x8fcb1f10" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.18" "0x884f794d" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 1 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.17" "0x03afc836" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.16" "0x9cca2fa5" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.15" "0x1cd8dc24" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.08" "0xe3775089" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.05" "0xfea3801a" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.04" "0x1d759a11" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core valid_flags_2 count: 0 [src/memorylayout.cpp:85] (load_data)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.537 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.28.181.40d16" "0xdab3ce6b" [src/dfinstance.cpp:108] (DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.543 ERROR core Unable to open "/proc/0/maps" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:381] (map_virtual_memory)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.543 ERROR core Could not attach to PID 0 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:192] (attach)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.543 ERROR core Unable to open "/proc/0/mem" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:225] (read_raw)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.543 DEBUG core base_addr: 0 HEX 0 [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:351] (find_running_copy)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.544 DEBUG core DF's checksum is "0x00000000" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:355] (find_running_copy)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.544 INFO core Dwarf fortress path: "/media/Linux_Data/Dwarf_Fortress/Utilities/DwarfTherapist/0_Build/dwarftherapist_2012-12-23/bin/release" [src/dfinstancelinux.cpp:362] (find_running_copy)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:24.547 DEBUG core Connection to unknown DF Version established. [src/mainwindow.cpp:292] (connect_to_df)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:29.270 WARNING core lost connection to DF [src/mainwindow.cpp:355] (lost_df_connection)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:29.279 DEBUG core group_by now set to 0 [src/models/dwarfmodel.cpp:782] (set_group_by)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:29.280 DEBUG core DFInstance baseclass virtual dtor! [src/dfinstance.cpp:123] (~DFInstance)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:32.677 INFO core Beginning shutdown [src/mainwindow.cpp:252] (closeEvent)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:32.677 DEBUG core beginning to write settings [src/mainwindow.cpp:228] (write_settings)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:32.677 DEBUG core finished writing settings [src/mainwindow.cpp:247] (write_settings)
2012-Dec-23 22:11:32.677 INFO core Closing Dwarf Therapist normally [src/mainwindow.cpp:258] (closeEvent)
That is the computer I need it to work on, any ideas on how to get it to work there?
Post by: xiziz on December 27, 2012, 05:40:24 pm
I just tired building the default branch from splintermind-attributes on Linux and it failed with this error.I was able to build it using a different distro.
It works there but not on my 64bit computer.
That is the computer I need it to work on, any ideas on how to get it to work there?
Saw you were having trouble, I just managed to bypass the exact same thing a few weeks back. Found the solution here (http://"http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=118567.msg3845991#msg3845991"). Simple as adding a line to src/laboroptimizer.cpp with any text editor prior to running through the building process.
Good Luck!
Post by: arclance on December 28, 2012, 05:29:18 pm
Okay I figured out the problem.I just tired building the default branch from splintermind-attributes on Linux and it failed with this error.I was able to build it using a different distro.
It works there but not on my 64bit computer.
That is the computer I need it to work on, any ideas on how to get it to work there?
Saw you were having trouble, I just managed to bypass the exact same thing a few weeks back. Found the solution here (http://"http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=118567.msg3845991#msg3845991"). Simple as adding a line to src/laboroptimizer.cpp with any text editor prior to running through the building process.
Good Luck!
I was running some test builds of dfhack earlier and one of them had left a stuck process but no window when it died.
Killing that got it to work.
After looking at the code
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args << "Dwarf_Fortress"; // 0.31.05+
proc->start("pidof", args);
proc->waitForFinished(1000);
if (proc->exitCode() == 0) { //found it
QByteArray out = proc->readAllStandardOutput();
QString str_pid(out);
m_pid = str_pid.toInt();
I can see that there is no check for there being multiple processes with "Dwarf_Fortress" in the name there and it fails trying to read a non-existent process because of that.If this was not C++ I would make a patch to fix that but I don't know how to do anything in that language.
Ideally a fix for this would either popup and say
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Error: Multiple Running Dwarf Fortresses Detectedor
Please close all but one Dwarf Fortress process and try to connect again.
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Error: Multiple Running Dwarf Fortresses Detected
Please select the correct process from this list.
Post by: splinterz on December 30, 2012, 07:10:31 pm
summary of main highlights (see link below for full patch notes)
- enhanced highest moodable skill feature to include cell highlighting, new column and tooltip information
- new options to set fonts for the application and tooltips
- preferences can be added to roles much like skills, attributes and traits. these can be specific preferences or general categories
- new profession icons have been added to tooltips, dwarf details pane, as well as a new column
- custom professions can now have customized icons and import/export everything correctly
- added 'creator of <artifact name>' in a few places
- many other tweaks and bug fixes
happy new year's eve!
Download // Project Home // Full Patch Notes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: arclance on December 30, 2012, 07:32:15 pm
there will probably be some bugs with this version as quite a lot was updated and adjusted, especially for a few memory leaks. just let me know in as much detail as possible and i'll get things fixed up when i can.Any chance you could address the lack of a check for multiple detected processes in Linux I mentioned in my previous post?
pidof can give false positives so it is more serious than failing if you have two copies of Dwarf Fortress running at the same time.
All you need to do to check for multiple returns by "pidof" is to split the string it returns on the space " " character and check how many pieces you get from that split.
If you get more than one piece after that split "pidof" returned the PID of more than one process.
Right now "str_pid.toInt()" returns "0" when "pidof" returns multiple PIDs and fails trying to read "/proc/0/maps" since it does not exist (at least on my system).
The code does not stop when this fails so it goes on to try connection to a "0x00000000" process with ptrace.
Unless you read the log file this error looks like a ptrace control issue so it has the potential to be very frustrating unless you know to look for it.
You may also want mark the downloads on your release page as "Windows Only" in some way since the "v19.0 (DF 34.07 - DF 34.11 Windows SDL & Linux)" right above them is misleading about the contents of the file.
Post by: splinterz on December 30, 2012, 08:51:43 pm
Post by: thistleknot on December 30, 2012, 08:52:41 pm
Post by: arclance on December 30, 2012, 09:31:37 pm
yes i've read your post and i'm aware of the issue. ideally it may be better to remove the dependency on pidof in the first place since it's been pointed out that it's not available on all flavours of linux.There is also "ps aux" though its output will need some parsing and filtering.
It probably works on more systems but I can't say if it is "Universal" or if its output is consistent across different types of Linux.
Post by: thistleknot on December 31, 2012, 06:36:30 pm
Post by: splinterz on January 01, 2013, 08:24:01 am
Download // Project Home // Full Patch Notes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: arclance on January 01, 2013, 10:47:18 am
update for the linux multiple processes and manager/leader issues. the role issue is minor, you can update it yourself by editing the etc/game_data.ini and changing "Leader\Manager" to "Leader/Manager" if you don't want to download the file again.Have you pushed those changes to the repository?
Download // Project Home // Full Patch Notes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
I don't see anything new there.
Post by: splinterz on January 01, 2013, 12:24:16 pm
update for the linux multiple processes and manager/leader issues. the role issue is minor, you can update it yourself by editing the etc/game_data.ini and changing "Leader\Manager" to "Leader/Manager" if you don't want to download the file again.Have you pushed those changes to the repository?
Download // Project Home // Full Patch Notes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
I don't see anything new there.
yes the repository has been updated (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/detail?r=096c2cf9fa3ecedf437d5356f232f698e80b3396)
Post by: arclance on January 01, 2013, 12:33:05 pm
It was not showing up when I checked before.update for the linux multiple processes and manager/leader issues. the role issue is minor, you can update it yourself by editing the etc/game_data.ini and changing "Leader\Manager" to "Leader/Manager" if you don't want to download the file again.Have you pushed those changes to the repository?
Download // Project Home // Full Patch Notes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
I don't see anything new there.
yes the repository has been updated (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/detail?r=096c2cf9fa3ecedf437d5356f232f698e80b3396)
Post by: Elarys on January 01, 2013, 06:39:21 pm
I downloaded via hg clone. I built using the instructions provided.
qmake only made a release build, no debug build. I'm using gentoo 32bit and my qmake version reports
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QMake version 2.01a
Using Qt version 4.8.4 in /usr/lib/qt4
gcc is 4.5.4
When I run ./DwarfTherapist the window loads briefly for a split second, before crashing with an unknown error.
The ./log/run.log file is uploaded to the filed issue at http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=451
Post by: arclance on January 01, 2013, 06:59:01 pm
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No valid memory layouts found in the following directories... () [src/dfinstance.cpp:106] (DFInstance)
This means Dwarf Therapist did not find the memory layouts from the "etc" directory located in the root of the directory you cloned the repository into.Those are required to read the memory of the Dwarf_Fortress process once you find it.
The problem is that the Dwarf Threrapist executable only looks in "~/dwarftherapist/bin/release" where they would only be if you put them there and "./etc/memory_layouts/linux" in the current working directory which is almost assured to not work if you install Dwarf Therapist with "make install".
This is poorly explained in the "Debugging" section of the build instructions page.
What I do is copy the "etc" folder to the "bin/release" folder the Dwarf Therapist executable is placed in when you compile with "make" and then cd to to the "bin/release" folder and run "./DwarfTherapist" so it is able to find the memory layouts in the "bin/release/etc/memory_layouts/linux" directory.
You can make a shell script like this
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cd /path/to/bin/release
./DwarfTherapist
that "cd"s to the correct directory before starting "DwarfTherapist" and put it in you path if you want to start Dwarf Therapist with a single command.I am not sure if that is why it crashes though.
Post by: arclance on January 01, 2013, 07:57:56 pm
Never mind it was because I broke my memory layout somehow.
Post by: thistleknot on January 02, 2013, 12:23:27 pm
Post by: Nkosi_SW on January 02, 2013, 02:45:30 pm
new version is ready forreleasetesting! ;)
I'm loving the new version! It makes managing artifact production in a large fortress SO much easier.
As my fort and projects get bigger, its only DT and DFHack that reduce the grind burden and allow me to continue to enjoy playing the game. Thank you so much splinterz. Happy New Year to you, and best wishes for 2013!
Post by: splinterz on January 02, 2013, 03:01:01 pm
new version is ready forreleasetesting! ;)
I'm loving the new version! It makes managing artifact production in a large fortress SO much easier.
As my fort and projects get bigger, its only DT and DFHack that reduce the grind burden and allow me to continue to enjoy playing the game. Thank you so much splinterz. Happy New Year to you, and best wishes for 2013!
great to hear! let me know if the cell highlighting for the highest moodable skills and/or artifact name displays need any tweaking. since you made the suggestions i'm relying on you for feedback :)
Post by: Nkosi_SW on January 02, 2013, 05:06:28 pm
Post by: Meph on January 02, 2013, 06:06:48 pm
Post by: thistleknot on January 03, 2013, 12:57:10 am
BTW, traits and attributes are without any effect on quality of items produced by legendary dwarves.
I forgot to ask
Does legendary trump everything else?
If it does, then AS LONG AS A DWARF DOESN'T GET ANGRY doing the job, then he should be 100% I know a chief medical dwarf (i.e. a legendary diagnoser who doesn't enjoy helping people) might not be beneficial
Post by: thistleknot on January 03, 2013, 01:00:57 am
I feel I should step into the discussion to say some things.
First of all, splinterz's above quote is correct. I've not changed the README however my current version of DGC still uses the old formula. (though refactored!)
This formula assumes that information in the wiki is correct, and without seeing more well documented tests with evidence I think they are correct. Attributes get raised by using skills and I believe thistleknot used dwarves from two large fortresses which would have seen attribute growth.
The DGC formula takes an attribute that falls within the generated range and maps it from 0-100. This roughly is how much of the population this is better than. If it's 80% it means that given 100 generated dwarves this will be above ~80 of them.
This is a very good formula to use when embarking! However it suffers huge problems as soon as you get immigrants, babies or any of your dwarves do anything since attributes will deviate from the generated averages.
If you have a very large fort you don't want to know how good your dwarves are above the generated average, you want to know how good they are in relation to all your other dwarves. Hence, two formula are needed, one for embark and one afterwards.
A third formula may be useful and can also be used on any other creatures. This is to say that attributes are between 0-5000 so weight all attributes by dividing by 500. 100 will be the maximum value possible and 0 the minimum.
So yeah, I'm planning on having all three formula in the next release of DGC. Hopes this info helps people! :)
wow, old shiz revisited.
we actually decided that basing on embark was better. I was assuming migrants were based on embark dwarves... if there not... then there's a whole ball of wax that may need to be adjusted... how does one incorporate 3 diff formulas? sounds like a mess... and if that is the case, then maybe adjusting the %'s based on the current population are called for... but we know what the values are limited to. stats can only reach x2 of starting
Post by: splinterz on January 03, 2013, 11:18:35 am
download it here (http://rapidshare.com/files/1897783581/dt_linux_v19.1.tar.gz)
extract, and run with the DT script inside. let me know if anything explodes or if you have other ideas on a packaging up a linux release (i really don't know what i'm doing haha)
Post by: arclance on January 03, 2013, 11:29:07 am
to try and remove the process of checking out the source and compiling manually for linux users, i've got a dwarf therapist package for you to try out. it seems to work alright on my flavour of linux, but i'd like to get some more people to try it out before i start building a linux package consistently in my releases.I have been experimenting with doing that as well for the Linux version of Mephs Masterwork mod.
download it here (http://rapidshare.com/files/1018477247/dt_linux%20v19.1.tar.gz)
extract, and run with the DT script inside. let me know if anything explodes or if you have other ideas on a packaging up a linux release (i really don't know what i'm doing haha)
The first version of mine is in the latest Linux version, 2c, of Masterwork.
I tried to include all the libraries that are version dependent or need to be 32bit in mine to make it easy for others to use.
I did find that a 32bit build could not detect the users QT theme on a 64bit computer but it otherwise worked fine.
I will look at yours when I get home (no Linux here) and see if I see anything obvious wrong with it.
Hopefully you did not build on Ubuntu 12.04 or later, or a recent Fedora because they use a newer glibc (eglibc), 2.15, than many distros.
This means programs built on them won't work on many peoples Linux installs.
Post by: splinterz on January 03, 2013, 12:44:42 pm
to try and remove the process of checking out the source and compiling manually for linux users, i've got a dwarf therapist package for you to try out. it seems to work alright on my flavour of linux, but i'd like to get some more people to try it out before i start building a linux package consistently in my releases.I have been experimenting with doing that as well for the Linux version of Mephs Masterwork mod.
download it here (http://rapidshare.com/files/1018477247/dt_linux%20v19.1.tar.gz)
extract, and run with the DT script inside. let me know if anything explodes or if you have other ideas on a packaging up a linux release (i really don't know what i'm doing haha)
The first version of mine is in the latest Linux version, 2c, of Masterwork.
I tried to include all the libraries that are version dependent or need to be 32bit in mine to make it easy for others to use.
I did find that a 32bit build could not detect the users QT theme on a 64bit computer but it otherwise worked fine.
I will look at yours when I get home and see if I see anything obvious wrong with it.
Hopefully you did not build on Ubuntu 12.04 or later, or a recent Fedora because they use a newer glibc (eglibc), 2.15, than many distros.
This means programs built on them won't work on many peoples Linux installs.
ah dammit, i think it was on ubuntu 12.10.. i'll have to get an older version then and recompile, thanks for the heads-up. as for the method, i'm just packaging the qt libraries indicated after running ldd on the executable, and using a script to set the ld_library_path. from all the qt documentation i've read it seems this is the most flexible (and simple) solution.
for the ptrace kernel hardening issue i read somewhere on the forums here about using a script to launch therapist and then fortress as a work around. however i'm not sure if you can daisy chain multiple things like stonesense and dfhack into it as well.
i'm not knowledgeable as to exactly what distros require which other additional libraries so any advice is much appreciated.
Post by: arclance on January 03, 2013, 01:12:48 pm
You only need to go back to Ubuntu 11.10, that has glibc 2.13 which should work unless someone has not updated their Linux install in several years.I will look at yours when I get home and see if I see anything obvious wrong with it.
Hopefully you did not build on Ubuntu 12.04 or later, or a recent Fedora because they use a newer glibc (eglibc), 2.15, than many distros.
This means programs built on them won't work on many peoples Linux installs.
ah dammit, i think it was on ubuntu 12.10.. i'll have to get an older version then and recompile, thanks for the heads-up. as for the method, i'm just packaging the qt libraries indicated after running ldd on the executable, and using a script to set the ld_library_path. from all the qt documentation i've read it seems this is the most flexible (and simple) solution.
I use a 32bit xubuntu 11.10 VM to build updated versions of dfhack for Masterwork since it has glibc 2.13 and gcc 4.5.
The current version of Dwarf Fortress was built with gcc 4.5 so it is best to build dfhack with it, Debain does not have gcc 4.5 so I used xubuntu.
You can use any gcc version you want for Therapist as long as it compiles.
I use a script to load the libs as well, it is the easiest way to do it.
I included more libs than that for ease of use on non-Debian based systems.
I put in pretty much everything but the X11 stuff for now, you should use the system version of those and they can be 64bit.
I am sure some of them are unneeded but I have not had time to work out which ones yet.
for the ptrace kernel hardening issue i read somewhere on the forums here about using a script to launch therapist and then fortress as a work around. however i'm not sure if you can daisy chain multiple things like stonesense and dfhack into it as well.I put some documentation on ways to allow ptrace in the Linux instructions I wrote for Masterwork.
I will post them here when I get home, I can't get at them here.
I have seen the script you are talking about but I have not had any luck trying to employ it with dfhack and therapist at the same time.
The problem is that dfhack takes over your terminal now and that holds your script at the line where you start dfhack until Dwarf Fortress is closed.
Stonesense is part of dfhack now so you don't have to daisychain it in anymore.
Post by: arclance on January 03, 2013, 04:45:19 pm
Here is what I have about allowing ptrace.for the ptrace kernel hardening issue i read somewhere on the forums here about using a script to launch therapist and then fortress as a work around. however i'm not sure if you can daisy chain multiple things like stonesense and dfhack into it as well.I put some documentation on ways to allow ptrace in the Linux instructions I wrote for Masterwork.
I will post them here when I get home, I can't get at them here.
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Depending on your kernel version and build settings you may need to enable Dwarf Therapist to use ptrace on other processes.
You may get a error like this
ptrace attach: Operation not permitted
or this
ptrace: Permission denied
in your terminal when you run Dwarf Therapist if you are experiencing this problem.
If your kernel does not have an extra LSM enabled or you are running the Yama LSM (Ubuntu and others) you can enable ptrace by running this command as root in the "MasterworkDwarfFortress/Utilities/Dwarf_Therapist" directory.
sudo setcap cap_sys_ptrace=ep DwarfTherapist
This will allow the DwarfTherapist executable to ptrace other processes but will not turn off ptrace protection for the rest of your system.
If your kernel is running SELinux (Fedora and others) you can enable ptrace by running this command as root.
setsebool deny_ptrace 0
This turns off all ptrace protection, ptrace protection will be reactivated if you reboot or run "setsebool deny_ptrace 1" as root.
It is also possible to completely turn off ptrace protection when running Yama but it is not necessary to do that.as for the method, i'm just packaging the qt libraries indicated after running ldd on the executable, and using a script to set the ld_library_path. from all the qt documentation i've read it seems this is the most flexible (and simple) solution.Your script looks fine but I thought I would show you the one I am going to use in future Masterwork Linux releases.
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#!/bin/sh
appname="DwarfTherapist"
dirname=`dirname $0`
tmp="${dirname#?}"
if [ "${dirname%$tmp}" != "/" ]; then
dirname=$PWD/$dirname
fi
cd "$dirname"
LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$dirname/libs":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
$dirname/$appname "$@"
It will work no matter what your current working directory is when you start it.
Post by: Bot Hack on January 03, 2013, 05:12:41 pm
Post by: Antalia on January 03, 2013, 08:12:38 pm
I can extract what I'm looking for by brute force, but a clue would save some time. :) Thanks.
Post by: splinterz on January 04, 2013, 05:44:27 am
Could someone point me to a resource that shows the mapping of labors to the indices used in an exported custom_professions.dtp? (I can read code or human, doesn't matter.)
I can extract what I'm looking for by brute force, but a clue would save some time. :) Thanks.
in DT, edit a script, there's a list on the right hand pane, or you can use the game_data.ini in the etc folder:
http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/etc/game_data.ini#903 (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/etc/game_data.ini#903)
Post by: arclance on January 04, 2013, 08:44:41 am
@arclance - well i've got the older version of ubuntu installed to recompile. having some nasty issues getting qt upgraded to 4.8.4 so i may have to abandon that and just package with 4.7.4. thanks for the script, that's a bit more robust. i'll have to try out the setcap method, although it would be nice to allow DT to run without root permissions..The setcap command does not run Therapist is just marks the executable as "allowed to use ptrace".
You can run it as a regular user and it will work, you just need to be root to use the setcap command.
You could also build in Debian Testing and get glibc 2.13 and QT 4.8.2.
It not 4.8.4 but Debian is not quite as gun ho about updating core packages as Ubuntu.
The relevant package names are the same.
Post by: splinterz on January 04, 2013, 09:10:42 am
i realize setcap doesn't run therapist, however i'm forced to run therapist as root after running setcap it appears. same as another user described here (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=438&q=ptrace).@arclance - well i've got the older version of ubuntu installed to recompile. having some nasty issues getting qt upgraded to 4.8.4 so i may have to abandon that and just package with 4.7.4. thanks for the script, that's a bit more robust. i'll have to try out the setcap method, although it would be nice to allow DT to run without root permissions..The setcap command does not run Therapist is just marks the executable as "allowed to use ptrace".
You can run it as a regular user and it will work, you just need to be root to use the setcap command.
You could also build in Debian Testing and get glibc 2.13 and QT 4.8.2.
It not 4.8.4 but Debian is not quite as gun ho about updating core packages as Ubuntu.
The relevant package names are the same.
so far the 4.8.4 libraries aren't working; it's not decorating the window/graphics properly (looks like windows 95 :D) maybe something went wrong when compiling the libraries, i don't know yet.
Quote
I put in pretty much everything but the X11 stuff for now, you should use the system version of those and they can be 64bit.can you elaborate on how you determined which shared libraries to package?
Post by: arclance on January 04, 2013, 09:28:18 am
Tryi realize setcap doesn't run therapist, however i'm forced to run therapist as root after running setcap it appears. same as another user described here (http://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/issues/detail?id=438&q=ptrace).@arclance - well i've got the older version of ubuntu installed to recompile. having some nasty issues getting qt upgraded to 4.8.4 so i may have to abandon that and just package with 4.7.4. thanks for the script, that's a bit more robust. i'll have to try out the setcap method, although it would be nice to allow DT to run without root permissions..The setcap command does not run Therapist is just marks the executable as "allowed to use ptrace".
You can run it as a regular user and it will work, you just need to be root to use the setcap command.
You could also build in Debian Testing and get glibc 2.13 and QT 4.8.2.
It not 4.8.4 but Debian is not quite as gun ho about updating core packages as Ubuntu.
The relevant package names are the same.
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sudo setcap cap_sys_ptrace=eip DwarfTherapist
That sets all the ptrace premissions possible, maybe it needs more than "ep" to work.Make sure you run that command in the "bin/release" folder so it gets applied to the correct executable.
You can use
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sudo getcap DwarfTherapist
to check if the setcap command worked.There are other things you can set with setcap and it might need one of them.
I believe that sudo runs things with all of the setcap controlled stuff set to the most permissive values.
so far the 4.8.4 libraries aren't working; it's not decorating the window/graphics properly (looks like windows 95 :D) maybe something went wrong when compiling the libraries, i don't know yet.Do you have a QT theme set on that system?
You might just be seeing the default theme, I remember it being pretty terrible.
I used "ldd" on the "DwarfTherapist" executable to see what it depended on and copied them all (following links and renaming) to a "libs" folder.QuoteI put in pretty much everything but the X11 stuff for now, you should use the system version of those and they can be 64bit.can you elaborate on how you determined which shared libraries to package?
Post by: splinterz on January 04, 2013, 07:09:43 pm
i've packaged up another version with the qt 4.8.4 libraries as well as every other system library ldd reported for more testing, so if anyone wants to try it out, here it is:
Download Dwarf Therapist Linux v19.1 (http://rapidshare.com/files/1897783581/dt_linux_v19.1.tar.gz)
Post by: Nkosi_SW on January 05, 2013, 12:01:59 am
The first is that on my setup, the happiness column is blacked out when I start DT:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If I go and change an option, any option (eg the "Show profession desciption in the tooltip"option, either enabling or disabling) and then say "Yes" to "Would you like to apply the new options now (Read Dwarves)?", then the column changes back to it's usual state (ie yellow for Content, dark green for Happy etc) and continues to display correctly until DT is closed. When DT is started again, the problem reappears. Just doing a "Read Dwarves" does not fix the problem.
The second problem is that DT no longer maintains the vertical scroll position of the main grid of dwarves when a "Read Dwarves" is performed. Instead, the grid repositions to the top of the list of dwarves on every Read, which was the old behaviour a few versions back before this was fixed.
Not too serious, but the second problem especially is annoying. Let me know if I can provide any more details.
Post by: Maklak on January 05, 2013, 04:29:02 am
Post by: thistleknot on January 05, 2013, 10:53:12 am
I use the branch 16.1 and noticed something rather annoying. When I sort by skill, instead of the current XP for that skill, it actually sorts by a routine using the current level in that skill and stats to determine, who is the best candidate for that labour. It would be fine, except this routine doesn't take into account the skill rates. I play a mod with heavy emphasis on castes and the learning rates are in the 50-300 range, so they matter even more than stats.
adjust your global weights, set your skill to 1, attributes to 0. Problem solved?
Post by: splinterz on January 05, 2013, 11:58:34 am
@Maklak: i think i see what you mean. i guess you could get around this by grouping by caste and then sorting, but you'd have to know which caste's have which skill rates, which i'd imagine is a pain. i've poked around a bit and it should be fairly easy to add skill rate information to the skill/labor columns, as well as modifying the sort value to accommodate the rate gain as well.
this is also interesting for the roles and their rating system. i think it would make sense to take into account the skill rates when determining the ratings... as a higher skill rate should be better in all cases. obviously all this is more useful in mods, so i don't think vanilla should be affected much.
Post by: arclance on January 05, 2013, 01:28:28 pm
@arclance: well it turned out that i had to recompile the libraries for qt, seems i was missing some of the prerequisites before i compiled the first time. looks like everything is running well without funky graphics anymore. i had to slightly modify the script to surround the last line with" marks when i had a space in the folder name. just something to be aware of.That does not work for me, I get a "Segmentation fault".
i've packaged up another version with the qt 4.8.4 libraries as well as every other system library ldd reported for more testing, so if anyone wants to try it out, here it is:
Download Dwarf Therapist Linux v19.1 (http://rapidshare.com/files/1897783581/dt_linux_v19.1.tar.gz)
With gdb I get this backtrace.
Code: [Select]
_linux_v19.1_2/dt_linux_v19.1$ ./DT
GNU gdb (GDB) 7.4.1-debian
Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying"
and "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "x86_64-linux-gnu".
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>...
Reading symbols from /media/Linux_Data/Dwarf_Fortress/Utilities/DwarfTherapist/dt_linux_v19.1_2/dt_linux_v19.1/DwarfTherapist...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
(gdb) run
Starting program: /media/Linux_Data/Dwarf_Fortress/Utilities/DwarfTherapist/dt_linux_v19.1_2/dt_linux_v19.1/DwarfTherapist
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Using host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1".
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0xf6b7619a in __libc_start_main ()
from /media/Linux_Data/Dwarf_Fortress/Utilities/DwarfTherapist/dt_linux_v19.1_2/dt_linux_v19.1/./libs/libc.so.6
(gdb) bt full
#0 0xf6b7619a in __libc_start_main ()
from /media/Linux_Data/Dwarf_Fortress/Utilities/DwarfTherapist/dt_linux_v19.1_2/dt_linux_v19.1/./libs/libc.so.6
No symbol table info available.
#1 0x08063411 in _start ()
No symbol table info available.
(gdb)
What is the purpose of the
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export QT_PLUGIN_PATH=
in your launch script?You can download my build here if you want to look at it. (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69178231/Dwarf_Therapist/Dwarf_Therapist_19.1_arclance.tar.gz)
Post by: splinterz on January 05, 2013, 01:55:57 pm
@arclance: well it turned out that i had to recompile the libraries for qt, seems i was missing some of the prerequisites before i compiled the first time. looks like everything is running well without funky graphics anymore. i had to slightly modify the script to surround the last line with" marks when i had a space in the folder name. just something to be aware of.That does not work for me, I get a "Segmentation fault".
i've packaged up another version with the qt 4.8.4 libraries as well as every other system library ldd reported for more testing, so if anyone wants to try it out, here it is:
Download Dwarf Therapist Linux v19.1 (http://rapidshare.com/files/1897783581/dt_linux_v19.1.tar.gz)
With gdb I get this backtrace.Code: [Select]_linux_v19.1_2/dt_linux_v19.1$ ./DT
GNU gdb (GDB) 7.4.1-debian
Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying"
and "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "x86_64-linux-gnu".
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>...
Reading symbols from /media/Linux_Data/Dwarf_Fortress/Utilities/DwarfTherapist/dt_linux_v19.1_2/dt_linux_v19.1/DwarfTherapist...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
(gdb) run
Starting program: /media/Linux_Data/Dwarf_Fortress/Utilities/DwarfTherapist/dt_linux_v19.1_2/dt_linux_v19.1/DwarfTherapist
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Using host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1".
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0xf6b7619a in __libc_start_main ()
from /media/Linux_Data/Dwarf_Fortress/Utilities/DwarfTherapist/dt_linux_v19.1_2/dt_linux_v19.1/./libs/libc.so.6
(gdb) bt full
#0 0xf6b7619a in __libc_start_main ()
from /media/Linux_Data/Dwarf_Fortress/Utilities/DwarfTherapist/dt_linux_v19.1_2/dt_linux_v19.1/./libs/libc.so.6
No symbol table info available.
#1 0x08063411 in _start ()
No symbol table info available.
(gdb)
What is the purpose of theCode: [Select]export QT_PLUGIN_PATH=in your launch script?
You can download my build here if you want to look at it. (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69178231/Dwarf_Therapist/Dwarf_Therapist_19.1_arclance.tar.gz)
the plugin_path was recommended on another forum, but i don't believe it's necessary. could the error be a 32/64 bit issue? i just tried out your build, and i can't launch it either i get this error:
Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40704) with this library (version 0x40802)
Post by: arclance on January 05, 2013, 02:34:34 pm
the plugin_path was recommended on another forum, but i don't believe it's necessary.I looked it up and it looks like people include it to stop QT from loading parts of KDE.
I would leave it in then, it should not cause any problems if that is the case.
could the error be a 32/64 bit issue?Could be a 32/64 bit issue.
What did you build 32 or 64bit?
If you made a 32 bit build and included a 64bit library or included 32bit libs in a 64bit build it might just crash like that.
It usually complains about the "ELF Class" being wrong if you do that though.
If you built 32bit did you cross-compile or not?
I don't know what kind of shenanigans that could cause since I have never done it.
i just tried out your build, and i can't launch it either i get this error:That could be caused it trying to load parts of your QT build that I did not know need to be included in the "libs" folder.
Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40704) with this library (version 0x40802)
Could you try adding
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export QT_PLUGIN_PATH=""
to my launch script to see if does anything.If that does not work could you run Dwarf Therapist with this script
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#!/bin/sh
appname="DwarfTherapist"
dirname=`dirname $0`
tmp="${dirname#?}"
if [ "${dirname%$tmp}" != "/" ]; then
dirname=$PWD/$dirname
fi
cd "$dirname"
LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$dirname/libs":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
strace $dirname/$appname "$@"
and post the output here so I can see what it is trying to load?It might also be a problem with your QT build (possibly just because it is a newer version than mine) or from the little research I did from having parts of KDE installed.
I have tested my build on Fedora 14, Xubuntu 11.10, Debian Testing, and Debian Unstable so I suspect it has to do with your QT version or build options.
Post by: splinterz on January 05, 2013, 03:10:31 pm
the plugin_path was recommended on another forum, but i don't believe it's necessary.I looked it up and it looks like people include it to stop QT from loading parts of KDE.
I would leave it in then, it should not cause any problems if that is the case.could the error be a 32/64 bit issue?Could be a 32/64 bit issue.
What did you build 32 or 64bit?
If you made a 32 bit build and included a 64bit library or included 32bit libs in a 64bit build it might just crash like that.
It usually complains about the "ELF Class" being wrong if you do that though.
If you built 32bit did you cross-compile or not?
I don't know what kind of shenanigans that could cause since I have never done it.i just tried out your build, and i can't launch it either i get this error:That could be caused it trying to load parts of your QT build that I did not know need to be included in the "libs" folder.
Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40704) with this library (version 0x40802)
Could you try addingCode: [Select]export QT_PLUGIN_PATH=""to my launch script to see if does anything.
If that does not work could you run Dwarf Therapist with this scriptCode: [Select]#!/bin/shand post the output here so I can see what it is trying to load?
appname="DwarfTherapist"
dirname=`dirname $0`
tmp="${dirname#?}"
if [ "${dirname%$tmp}" != "/" ]; then
dirname=$PWD/$dirname
fi
cd "$dirname"
LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$dirname/libs":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
strace $dirname/$appname "$@"
It might also be a problem with your QT build (possibly just because it is a newer version than mine) or from the little research I did from having parts of KDE installed.
I have tested my build on Fedora 14, Xubuntu 11.10, Debian Testing, and Debian Unstable so I suspect it has to do with your QT version or build options.
your build works fine if i remove the Qt libraries from the libs folder. adding the plugin export had no effect. here's a link to the strace log (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/185441/strace.log). i have both qt 4.7.4 libraries and 4.8.4 libraries.
Post by: arclance on January 05, 2013, 03:45:10 pm
From the strace I think the problem happens when it loads qt plugins from "qt4/plugins" (in "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins" on you computer) from your installed QT.
Because your install is of a different enough version it is unable to do that.
I have found that it also needs "libQtSvg.so.4", "libQtDBus.so.4", and "libQtXml.so.4" which did not show up in my ldd from the strace.
Here is a new version which I think should not use your system QT libs or plugins anymore. (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69178231/Dwarf_Therapist/Dwarf_Therapist_19.1_arclance_3.tar.gz)
I put the "qt4/plugins" folder in the libs folder and made a qt.conf file to make DwarfTherapist only load the plugins from that folder.
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[Paths]
Libraries = ./libs
Plugins = ./libs/qt4/plugins
Post by: splinterz on January 05, 2013, 03:54:08 pm
^
From the strace I think the problem happens when it loads qt plugins from "qt4/plugins" (in "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins" on you computer) from your installed QT.
Because your install is of a different enough version it is unable to do that.
I have found that it also needs "libQtSvg.so.4", "libQtDBus.so.4", and "libQtXml.so.4" which did not show up in my ldd from the strace.
Here is a new version which I think should not use your system QT libs or plugins anymore. (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69178231/Dwarf_Therapist/Dwarf_Therapist_19.1_arclance_3.tar.gz)
I put the "qt4/plugins" folder in the libs folder and made a qt.conf file to make DwarfTherapist only load the plugins from that folder.Code: [Select][Paths]
Libraries = ./libs
Plugins = ./libs/qt4/plugins
i noticed those extra libraries as well in the strace. these changes work though, the script launches DT now without issue.
Post by: Nkosi_SW on January 05, 2013, 08:10:08 pm
@Nkosi_SW: i've been able to reproduce both the issues you've brought up and i'll should have a fix out soon
Sounds good. Thanks splinterz.
Post by: thistleknot on January 05, 2013, 10:40:25 pm
I used to be able to create a military labor optimization plan (I can do it manually by editing an exported optimization plan, however).
I add an "architect" job, assign it to my "ranged combat" custom role
then go to add a second, and it crashes
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2013, 05:22:48 am
1: Alchemy Savant has 0 xp in Alchemy? Description says he is good in alchemy, the tab shows no experience in it.
- The alchemy savant has natural skill 10 in alchemy. He arrived with the skill. Therapist shows NO skill and NO Exp in the tab. (there should be a black box showing skill in the tabs, but it is blank.) Mouseover tooltip on the dwarf itself will show that he is lvl10 in alchemy.
2: Legion dwarf has 2000 strength, is "weak" for a legion dwarf (max 5000) Is protrait in the therapist as weak, while being twice as strong as other dwarves.
- Legion dwarves are way stronger then normal dwarves. But since the unit description compares inside the caste, they are weak even with 2000-3000 strength, because their maximum is 5000. In the Therapist he is shown as weak as well, while being the strongest dwarf by far in the fortress. Maybe the Therapist should show dwarves on a relative scale from 0 to 5000.
Post by: splinterz on January 06, 2013, 07:19:22 am
I noticed two things while playing a testfort. Dont know if known issues or not.
1: Alchemy Savant has 0 xp in Alchemy? Description says he is good in alchemy, the tab shows no experience in it.
- The alchemy savant has natural skill 10 in alchemy. He arrived with the skill. Therapist shows NO skill and NO Exp in the tab. (there should be a black box showing skill in the tabs, but it is blank.) Mouseover tooltip on the dwarf itself will show that he is lvl10 in alchemy.
2: Legion dwarf has 2000 strength, is "weak" for a legion dwarf (max 5000) Is protrait in the therapist as weak, while being twice as strong as other dwarves.
- Legion dwarves are way stronger then normal dwarves. But since the unit description compares inside the caste, they are weak even with 2000-3000 strength, because their maximum is 5000. In the Therapist he is shown as weak as well, while being the strongest dwarf by far in the fortress. Maybe the Therapist should show dwarves on a relative scale from 0 to 5000.
1. this should be an easy fix, in game_data.ini the under [labors] scroll down to 65/name = Alchemy and change the skill from -1 to 15. since this wasn't used in vanilla i don't think it was ever set. i'll make sure to fix it as well in the next release.
2. if it's compared on a absolute scale of 0-5000, then the descriptions (ie. very weak, strong, etc..) don't match the descriptions in the game, which may lead to confusion, that's why i ended up putting in the caste attribute descriptors. i also assumed that if someone is playing a mod with a crapton of castes, they'll probably be paying attention to what castes are being assigned to what labors/military. (ie. look for warrior castes and assign them to military first, then look elsewhere)
this also only affects the descriptor, and the drawn square/number/thinger in the box. sorting always uses the absolute values.
now to aid in this confusion, i could add extra caste information on the tooltips such as 'very weak, for a warrior caste' or something along those lines. the other last resort if it's too painful is to add in an option in to draw/describe attributes based on the absolute scale.
Post by: Meph on January 06, 2013, 03:15:55 pm
Post by: Relnor on January 06, 2013, 03:27:49 pm
Is there any way to make the Therapist show waves after 10, or should I just start marking the last dwarf in the wave with a nickname to know where the next migrant wave starts ?
Post by: Sutremaine on January 06, 2013, 06:16:25 pm
Post by: splinterz on January 06, 2013, 06:50:06 pm
Ok, thanks for the quick answer. First one is an oversight that is irrelevant to vanilla DF, so it was overlooked and will be fixed. Good. Second one is a design choice to meet ingame description with therapist. Understandable from my point of view as well. I just wanted to report both, because I didnt knew if it was a design choice, or not.no worries, thanks for the reports :)
Would it be possible to make the Professions pictures editable?if you meant the custom professions, you can to a degree. if you meant the default profession icons, yes it's possible. right now they're packaged as an internal resource, but i suppose i could just leave them in a folder and they could be replaced.
Sorry if anyone else asked, but - Therapist seems to stop showing Migration waves after the 10th. Once it reaches the 10th it just starts adding new dwarves to the bottom of the 10th wave.which Therapist / OS are you using?
Is there any way to make the Therapist show waves after 10, or should I just start marking the last dwarf in the wave with a nickname to know where the next migrant wave starts ?
Post by: splinterz on January 06, 2013, 07:31:33 pm
Patch Summary
- added skill rates (experience bonuses) for castes. this includes a new column in the dwarf details, and tooltip information. normally this isn't visible at all in vanilla.
- fixed some formatting issues on the column headers and counts
- fixed alchemy skill and added missing military tactician skill (exclusively for mods)
- fixed the happiness column showing black squares instead of colors on the initial load
- fixed a crash when adding labors to an optimization plan
- fixed the scroll bars not returning to their saved positions after a fresh read
see the project home for full patch notes and more details on the skill rate experience bonuses.
Project Home // Download // Full Patch Notes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
Post by: Sutremaine on January 06, 2013, 10:50:41 pm
Weaponsmith: dark grey with a /
Armoursmith: dark grey with a [
Warsmith (custom): dark grey with a / and a [
I did a tileset like this way back but can't find it. It must be on another hard drive...
Post by: Nkosi_SW on January 07, 2013, 05:29:33 am
I had a dwarf who was Legendary +5 in Armouring and Metalcrafting (as well as a couple of other non-moodable skills), but I deliberately manipulated his experience so that his Armouring had higher skillpoints (31,332 to Metalcrafting's 30,838), and DT dutifully reported that the highest moodable skill was Armouring.
However, when that dwarf had a mood, he created a Metalcraft artifact (an earring).
Does anyone have an idea why this happened? Does DF take something besides numerical skill level in to account when determining Highest Moodable Skill?
I have screenshots and a save if anyone needs to have a look.
Post by: splinterz on January 07, 2013, 06:07:44 am
I think I've found a problem with Highest Moodable Skills, but the problem may be with DF itself rather than DT. Anyway, I thought I'd post here first and get people's opinions.
I had a dwarf who was Legendary +5 in Armouring and Metalcrafting (as well as a couple of other non-moodable skills), but I deliberately manipulated his experience so that his Armouring had higher skillpoints (31,332 to Metalcrafting's 30,838), and DT dutifully reported that the highest moodable skill was Armouring.
However, when that dwarf had a mood, he created a Metalcraft artifact (an earring).
Does anyone have an idea why this happened? Does DF take something besides numerical skill level in to account when determining Highest Moodable Skill?
I have screenshots and a save if anyone needs to have a look.
was it possible that his armouring skill had become rusty?
edit: looking at the wiki, armorer and metalsmith both have the same chance to have a mood, however it also states that the deciding factor is the dwarf's actual profession (not the custom profession) at the time the mood hits. it also doesn't say if 'highest' is determined by actual experience, or simply the rating (legendary +5).
check the actual profession of the dwarf when the mood hit?
Post by: Sutremaine on January 07, 2013, 06:36:24 am
I've had moods that didn't use the skill with the highest raw XP. Maybe it has something to do with the skill ID numbers.
Post by: Nkosi_SW on January 07, 2013, 07:30:50 am
was it possible that his armouring skill had become rusty?
Neither Armourer nor Metalcrafter skills were rusty.
edit: looking at the wiki, armorer and metalsmith both have the same chance to have a mood, however it also states that the deciding factor is the dwarf's actual profession (not the custom profession) at the time the mood hits. it also doesn't say if 'highest' is determined by actual experience, or simply the rating (legendary +5).
check the actual profession of the dwarf when the mood hit?
When I deleted his custom profession, the profession shown was "Metalsmith". The wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Metalsmith) says this is shown when a dwarf has skills in more than one metalsmith catergory, so this is not much use.
I've had moods that didn't use the skill with the highest raw XP. Maybe it has something to do with the skill ID numbers.
This is the crux of the matter. If DT is using highest raw XP to determine Highest Moodable Skill, but DF is using something else in certain situations, then we need to determine what criteria DF is using and duplicate it so DT accurately reports the Highest Moodable Skill.
Should I post in the Dwarf Mode forum asking for help about how DF determines Highest Moodable Skill in this situation? Would it help if I uploaded the save for you to have a look at splinterz?
Post by: splinterz on January 07, 2013, 08:03:58 am
was it possible that his armouring skill had become rusty?
Neither Armourer nor Metalcrafter skills were rusty.edit: looking at the wiki, armorer and metalsmith both have the same chance to have a mood, however it also states that the deciding factor is the dwarf's actual profession (not the custom profession) at the time the mood hits. it also doesn't say if 'highest' is determined by actual experience, or simply the rating (legendary +5).
check the actual profession of the dwarf when the mood hit?
When I deleted his custom profession, the profession shown was "Metalsmith". The wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Metalsmith) says this is shown when a dwarf has skills in more than one metalsmith catergory, so this is not much use.I've had moods that didn't use the skill with the highest raw XP. Maybe it has something to do with the skill ID numbers.
This is the crux of the matter. If DT is using highest raw XP to determine Highest Moodable Skill, but DF is using something else in certain situations, then we need to determine what criteria DF is using and duplicate it so DT accurately reports the Highest Moodable Skill.
Should I post in the Dwarf Mode forum asking for help about how DF determines Highest Moodable Skill in this situation? Would it help if I uploaded the save for you to have a look at splinterz?
definitely ask in the other forum as someone may have more insight as to what's happening. maybe it's randomly choosing between the two skills? i can poke around a bit if you upload the save.
Post by: Nkosi_SW on January 07, 2013, 01:21:50 pm
version 19.2 has been released
Working like a charm for me. Thanks splinterz!
Post by: Nkosi_SW on January 07, 2013, 01:30:46 pm
definitely ask in the other forum as someone may have more insight as to what's happening.
I've created a new thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121433.0) in the Dwarf Mode Forum.
i can poke around a bit if you upload the save.
Save is here (http://rapidshare.com/files/2185308983/HMS.zip). The strange mood has already struck but the forge hasn't been claimed yet.
maybe it's randomly choosing between the two skills?
Might be hard to tell if this is the case, as I think the skill for the mood is choosen when the mood strikes, at the same time as the dwarf is chosen?
Post by: arclance on January 07, 2013, 03:42:13 pm
version 19.2 has been released:I only see one small cosmetic problem so far.
Patch Summary
- added skill rates (experience bonuses) for castes. this includes a new column in the dwarf details, and tooltip information. normally this isn't visible at all in vanilla.
- fixed some formatting issues on the column headers and counts
- fixed alchemy skill and added missing military tactician skill (exclusively for mods)
- fixed the happiness column showing black squares instead of colors on the initial load
- fixed a crash when adding labors to an optimization plan
- fixed the scroll bars not returning to their saved positions after a fresh read
see the project home for full patch notes and more details on the skill rate experience bonuses.
Project Home // Download // Full Patch Notes (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/)
The column header text is slightly under the column header toggle indicator at the top of the label box.
(http://t.imgbox.com/adzugczM.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/adzugczM)
The skill rate changes seem to be working for mod casts.
Post by: feelotraveller on January 07, 2013, 03:53:26 pm
Also I wonder if it would be possible to incorporate information about personality attributes blocking skill experience where relevant? Case in point is when selecting a dwarf as broker/leader. I would like to know that they can't gain pacifier experience or conversationalist skill when that is the case.
Kudos splinterz for your work on this.
Post by: Lycaeon on January 07, 2013, 04:44:25 pm
Many thanks for your work on this invaluable resource, splinterz! :) I especially appreciate the addition of the new caste skill rates.
Post by: splinterz on January 07, 2013, 06:30:09 pm
@feelotraveller: dammit... i must have accidentally copied over a few test roles when i was adding preferences to the default roles, i'll make sure they're removed. i'll look into the conflicting traits and see what i can do.
@Lycaeon: i think that should be feasible, i'll check into it.
for anyone who's interested in the moodable skill problem brought up by Nkosi_SW, i posted an explanation in the dedicated thread. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121433.msg3934759#msg3934759)
as always, thanks for all the reports, it helps to improve DT all the time!
Post by: Maklak on January 08, 2013, 12:32:13 am
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Maybe the Therapist should show dwarves on a relative scale from 0 to 5000.Seconded. In the military tab there are a few columns with Agility, Recuperation and so on. They display a number from -20 to +20, but that's relative to their caste, so it isn't really telling me much when I have lots of castes and I have to use tooltips to see the real values. I don't want to sort by one of the stat columns, because I already sort by other things. Just having these columns display 0-00 (((stat + 25)/50) and 00 for >99) would be much more useful. I simply don't care about values relative to the average for that caste. It is absolute values that matter anyway.
Post by: laularukyrumo on January 08, 2013, 01:57:39 am
the latest build isn't the 5/23/12 version.
odd.
You should really make a new thread if you've taken the reigns from Hecaterus/DwarfEngineer.
Post by: Lycaeon on January 08, 2013, 03:13:04 am
Post by: arclance on January 08, 2013, 09:28:36 am
I simply don't care about values relative to the average for that caste. It is absolute values that matter anyway.I have to agree with this at least on the military screen.
Having both displayed would be nice though so you could compare absolute value between casts and relative values within casts.
Post by: thistleknot on January 08, 2013, 01:55:37 pm
Post by: Maklak on January 08, 2013, 11:55:44 pm
are you talking about attribute and trait default values? it was a mess tryi g to figure out the default trait values initially. no work was ever done to categorize the modded castes, everything is scaled against a normal dwarf.The military screen has a bunch of stats: Strength, Agility, Toughness, Endurance, Recuperation, Disease Resistance. The tooltips display them properly (I think), but the grid view shows some wacky values: {-11, -7, -3, 0, 6, 9, 13, 20}. In the picture below, sorted by Disease Resistance and the order is correct, but the values tell me nothing and are sometimes out of order. I'm guessing they are based on things like "incredibly strong" in the description, which are relative to castes. Having absolute values, such as ((stat + 25) / 50) and 00 for > 99, would be much more useful. Another grid view with just stats, or adding things like Focus, Kinesthetic Sense and Spatial Sense to the military grid view would also be nice. If you want relative values, it would be more useful to base them on average for all current citizens, not castes they belong to.
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Post by: arclance on January 09, 2013, 12:00:19 am
To add to that it would be nice to have a grid view that shows what cast each dwarf is so you don't have to read their tooltips one at a time.are you talking about attribute and trait default values? it was a mess tryi g to figure out the default trait values initially. no work was ever done to categorize the modded castes, everything is scaled against a normal dwarf.The military screen has a bunch of stats: Strength, Agility, Toughness, Endurance, Recuperation, Disease Resistance. The tooltips display them properly (I think), but the grid view shows some wacky values: {-11, -7, -3, 6, 9, 13, 20}. In the picture below, sorted by Disease Resistance and the order is correct, but the values tell me nothing and are sometimes out of order. I'm guessing they are based on things like "incredibly strong" in the description, which are relative to castes. Having absolute values, such as ((stat + 25) / 50) and 00 for > 99, would be much more useful. Another grid view with just stats, or adding things like Focus, Kinesthetic Sense and Spatial Sense to the military grid view would also be nice. If you want relative values, it would be more useful to base them on average for all current citizens, not castes they belong to.
Post by: splinterz on January 09, 2013, 02:27:14 am
using an absolute scale of 0-5000 will work, but most a fort's population (especially playing vanilla) will never reach close to that. so you'll have a lot of very small squares, and 4 digit numbers are too big to draw in most, if not all, people's grid cell dimensions.
so i'll try changing the drawing stuff to scale based on the population values, and then draw with 0-99/100 values, as you're right that the current -20 to 20 values are pretty useless for people using numbers in the grid.
a caste column for the grid is interesting as well. i'd like to modify the profession column to allow users to override the current icons with just colors and text or choose an icon and text like the custom profs if they want, and maybe the same sort of thing could be done with castes.
so many ideas, so little timmeee....
Post by: thistleknot on January 09, 2013, 11:53:13 am
Post by: splinterz on January 10, 2013, 04:09:38 pm
- added the conflicting skills and special notes for traits to tooltips, details panel and trait column
- added checks for skills which are losing experience, which are highlighted in orange in the tooltip and on the details pane
- tweaked the skill/labor column sorting to weight skill rates and skill level equally
- skills now show raw levels and correct experience in the tooltips
- removed test roles from the defaults
- when a dwarf goes into a mood, the artifact name is hidden until they've actually completed it
so changing the experience and skill levels to show the actual value rather than capping it had an unwanted side effect for vampires. it's pretty easy to spot them as they'll have crazy large skill ratings and experience values. there's a few ways to handle this, the easiest is simply hiding all the raw and actual values again, and only use the actual xp for the moodable skill stuff. i kind of like being able to see the raw values and the real experience numbers though.
another alternative would be to just set a value in the options to show those numbers, but it still conflicts with hiding/showing vampires. the most complex solution may be to modify the skill experience and rating for vampires if they're hidden. it's only for skills over the max (legendary +5) this has to be done for. any other ideas or input?
the traits in the tooltip is getting pretty huge now with the addition of conflicting skills and notes. is this even useful to have a block of text in the tooltip? should it be in a list like skills/roles? limited to top/bottom 20%? only show traits with conflicts/notes?
Post by: Maklak on January 11, 2013, 11:18:01 am
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tweaked the skill/labour column sorting to weight skill rates and skill level equally??? I haven't seen the code that does this, but this sounds like an incorrect way to sort by a skill, to put it politely.
The correct way is to divide the dwarves into two groups: labour enabled or disabled, in addition to any other grouping of them (by migration wave or whatever). Then sort each sub-group the following way:
- Put Legendary + 5 on top and don't order them if you want to hide vampires. Otherwise skip this part.
- If skill_rate is set to 0, don't divide by 0 and just put those dwarves last, but sort them by any XP they may have.
- Sort the rest by minimum of (29000 - current_XP ) / (real_skill_rate) If the formulas on how stats affect XP per job and speed of the job are known, those should be factored into the real_skill_rate. 29000 is the XP needed for Legendary +5. If a skill rate is unknown, assume the same as others with that caste or 100% as a last resort.
Post by: thistleknot on January 11, 2013, 12:05:43 pm
Sorting by skill is still bogus. All it does is it puts those with a selected labour above those with it deselected, but otherwise it is still useless and a regression. I remember some earlier version of Dwarf Therapist that at least were sorting skills by XP.Quotetweaked the skill/labour column sorting to weight skill rates and skill level equally??? I haven't seen the code that does this, but this sounds like an incorrect way to sort by a skill, to put it politely.
The correct way is to divide the dwarves into two groups: labour enabled or disabled, in addition to any other grouping of them (by migration wave or whatever). Then sort each sub-group the following way:This way dwarves who will take fewer jobs to make it to legendary + 5 are listed higher, which is exactly what I want. These "Related Roles" and their arbitrarily weighted percent values are bogus. As an example, when I sort by "Marksdwarf", I have a dwarf with 9 crossbow and 85% skill rate on top with 99% and my best marksdwarf with 230% learning rate and 80k XP is listed as 12th with 45% "Related Roles". This is a dwarvenly stupid way to show me who is best for the job!
- Put Legendary + 5 on top and don't order them if you want to hide vampires. Otherwise skip this part.
- If skill_rate is set to 0, don't divide by 0 and just put those dwarves last, but sort them by any XP they may have.
- Sort the rest by minimum of (29000 - current_XP ) / (real_skill_rate) If the formulas on how stats affect XP per job and speed of the job are known, those should be factored into the real_skill_rate. 29000 is the XP needed for Legendary +5. If a skill rate is unknown, assume the same as others with that caste or 100% as a last resort.
there sorted by the calculated role fitting, which is based on a combination of skills, attributes, traits, preferences...
if you wanted it to sort by skill, then set the weights of attributes, traits, and preferences to 0.
your other suggestions are good ones, but the way Splinterz Dwarf Therapist is setup is to sort things based on the calculated role %.
There is an option inside that allows you to sort by skill exp (i.e. the old way of doing it).
Post by: Maklak on January 11, 2013, 12:36:59 pm
I set the values to: Attributes 0.15, Skills 1.0, Traits 0.05 and Role preferences to 0.05 and sorting by skills is now saner, but still incorrect.
My assertion that this method of doing it is bogus still stands, however. Things like Starts, Skills and Traits are fundamentally different and you cannot make a weighted arithmetic average out of them, same as you can't make a weighted arithmetic average of temperature and mass and claim it means something.
Even if you could, there is no way to do it without knowing the formulas or at least substantial research into how skills influence stats. All I ever found was that high stats increase the speed of a job (but by how much is unknown) and of course that agility, strength and carry weight influence walking speed (there are formulas for this somewhere). There is some scattered data on things like "creativity makes engravings more varied" and some old research suggesting that material and item preferences influence quality of the item by a small margin, but beyond that I found nothing.
My conclusion so far is that (at least in my mod's case) skill level and skill rate are everything and stats barely even matter, except for soldiers and for walking speed.
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the way Splinterz Dwarf Therapist is setup is to sort things based on the calculated role %.I've noticed and am very unhappy about it. I'm trying to convince splinterz to fix it. How come no one noticed this bug before?
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There is an option inside that allows you to sort by skill exp (i.e. the old way of doing it).I haven't found it, but setting everything except skill to low weights alleviated the problem.
Post by: thistleknot on January 11, 2013, 12:46:11 pm
update:
mistaken, there is no old option (at least from the version I was using, v16.1), I think the only way to get it to sort by skill only is to set all non skill weights to 0.
the reason we have role %s is because we know some attributes train skills faster & some traits give dwarf's happy thoughts from doing that job.
any dwarf can gain skills, so if you want a great dwarf doing a job, then it's important to take into consideration his attributes which don't change as easily as skills do.
I remember when my highest skilled diagnoser HATED helping people and went insane and killed everyone.
that's why these role calculations exist, to help prevent angry CMD's.
Post by: Maklak on January 11, 2013, 01:43:26 pm
For your CMD example, at the very least you want those weights set per-skill and not globally, but a way to sort the list of dwarves by "finds helping others very rewarding" and "devoted to duty" would be better.
Skills matter. Attributes may increase the speed some things are done, but aren't as important as skills. Heck, with Legendary skill most civilian jobs are blazing fast regardless of stats and military gains the important stats quickly anyway. CMD is an exception rather than the rule (so your argument is invalid) and you still want decent Diagnosis on that CMD, which trains slowly.
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we know some attributes train skills faster & some traits give dwarf's happy thoughts from doing that job.Where is this information? Wiki is useless as usual and I haven't been able to find any conclusive research on the forum.
Post by: splinterz on January 11, 2013, 01:59:52 pm
if you've got any suggestions for changes to the default roles, by all means let me know and i'll make adjustments. it's a lot of bloody roles to go through myself. otherwise, make your own or modify the existing ones, you've got plenty of options! what exactly is your problem with roles that makes them so bogus? is it the default weights? the calculations?
you can find dwarfs by preference by using the preference window and clicking on a preference. traits are more involved in that you'd need to create a new grid full of trait columns and/or create a filter script.
Post by: thistleknot on January 11, 2013, 02:50:24 pm
Yes, a legendary dwarf does build faster. However, in my head. A dwarf who has higher strength when masonry uses strength http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Mason to do masonry, I imagine the higher the strength, the faster it goes (I have no reference for this other than the wiki has attributes for certain skills).
So I could have a legendary person doing the job, or I could have a BETTER dwarf in terms of mason attributes doing the job as well in hopes that he would be a better fit when he becomes legendary.
I tend to assume that certain traits, which control a dwarf's behavior fit to certain jobs. CMD was a great example. However, there are other labors, such as feed prisoner that relies on traits as well.
Now this is all subjective. And there is a solution for it if you don't like it. Disable the weights. But I disagree that it is misleading. Because if Dwarf A has better attributes than legendary Dwarf B, then I can train Dwarf A up to be legendary. Traits affect a dwarf's thoughts, that can not be modified in game, hence there inclusion.
Now with legendary, just because a dwarf is legendary in a skill, DOESN'T mean he likes the job.
I think "satisfied with work lately" might have something to do with preferences as well as traits.
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we know some attributes train skills faster & some traits give dwarf's happy thoughts from doing that job.
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Where is this information? Wiki is useless as usual and I haven't been able to find any conclusive research on the forum.
see wiki
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Skill
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Traits:
cannot be modified in-game.Verify
affect which social skills gain experience (if the dwarf has X trait it will not gain experience in X skill) at all.
have other in-game effects that can be useful for certain professions.
give thoughts when performing certain activities.
No. A way to search for a particular trait or material / item preference or sort by them would be useful. Forcing bogus "Related Roles" based on some arbitrary weights is counter-productive. Those values mean nothing and people trust them, so they are misleading. I was mislead by them!
For your CMD example, at the very least you want those weights set per-skill and not globally, but a way to sort the list of dwarves by "finds helping others very rewarding" and "devoted to duty" would be better.
that used to be the way preferences were done, via built in filter.
Post by: Maklak on January 11, 2013, 02:54:40 pm
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wow you're really going off on this stuff eh?Yes, I tend to feel strongly and overreact about some things. Especially when they are wrong and it is so obvious that they shouldn't be wrong in the first place. In case of Dwarf Therapist I respect your work on maintaining it, but not the decision to port the roles from dwarven guidance councillor and make them so important.
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alright so first, turn off the role sorting in the roles tab and see if that helps.I deselected "Include role ratings when sorting labour columns" and "Include role ratings when sorting skill columns" and it didn't help. Well, after changing the weights it works slightly better.
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if you've got any suggestions for changes to the default roles, by all means let me know and i'll make adjustments.Other than gutting it out completely because the system is inherently wrong and adjustments won't help much? Well, these are some ideas, but they will make comparing suitability to different roles impossible:
* For most civilian labours, like Masonry use just XP and skill rates, I've already given you the formula.
* For stone detailing creativity may be important, but not to me.
* For military I guess at least average physical stats and recuperation and disease resistance are important, but I just don't see a way of making a weighted average based on them. Different things are important to different people.
My way of doing this would be:
* Assume that using a skill gives constant amount of XP, regardless of stats and traits and sort all skills and labours in grid view by XP and learning rates only.
* Include a sortable grid view with stats. (The one we have works for sorting, but not displaying stats.)
* Include a sortable grid view with traits. That way people can sort by helpfulness, choose a dutiful dwarf near the top of the list and make her the CMD.
Give warning to any tooltips with the roles that the values there are arbitrary and should not be relied upon.
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what exactly is your problem with roles that makes them so bogus? is it the default weights? the calculations?I already explained that you cannot just make a weighted arithmetic average out of skills and stats, because it is meaningless. Even if you could, the weights are unknown. For things like probability of a disease based on blood pressure, temperature, weight, age and so on you can use optimisation or data mining to find something that works, but here there doesn't seem to be any data, just people and their preferences. The entire way of thinking that lead to introducing these roles is fundamentally wrong and based on wrong assumptions. A dead give-away was that you wanted to include skill rates with a weight, instead of tying them with current level of skill, as they no longer matter after Legendary +5.
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you can find dwarfs by preference by using the preference window and clicking on a preference.Lol, this is kinda fun for jokes. I never explored that part of DT, because I never needed it for anything.
Post by: Maklak on January 11, 2013, 03:10:30 pm
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well, I disagree whole heartedly.Likewise.
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Yes, a legendary dwarf does build faster. However, in my head. A dwarf who has higher strength when masonry uses strength http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Mason to do masonry, I imagine the higher the strength, the faster it goes (I have no reference for this other than the wiki has attributes for certain skills).Keywords: "imagine" and "in your head". You have no evidence to back it up. I've seen skill levels do wonders to how fast something is done. Mining and cutting wood are the easiest to notice, but a legendary crafter will often barely enter the workshop when he is done. If stats have any influence on how fast the work is done, it is overshadowed by the skill anyway.
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So I could have a legendary person doing the job, or I could have a BETTER dwarf in terms of mason attributes doing the job as well in hopes that he would be a better fit when he becomes legendary.I can agree with you on this: a very strong and agile worker is better at the same skill level, because he walks faster both when and when not carrying heavy materials. Even if something is done slightly faster at legendary skill thanks to high stats, it still won't matter as much as say, efficient fort layout.
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see wiki http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:SkillYou think I haven't seen it? This is useless. There are no formulas or numbers or links to research with them.
True, traits cannot be modified in game, influence which social skills can be learned (like liar) and can decide how likely a dwarf is to take a break or ignore a patient. The things like "likes tradition" can give good or bad thoughts when talking to nobles. So what? It only really matters for doctors and they are an exception rather than the rule.
Stats do matter for the military, I have to admit that much. Strength and Agility give better walking and swinging speed, Endurance means fighting longer before getting exhausted and Toughness, Recuperation and Disease Resistance increase resistance to harm. "Prone to anger" trait may lead to rages which can help too.
I think I see why we disagree. When selecting a Dwarf for a job, I think you ask "Which one of you will work the best what Legendary +5?" For me the question is "Which one of you will get to Legendary +5 the fastest and wasting the least materials?"
Post by: thistleknot on January 11, 2013, 03:13:54 pm
Keywords: "imagine" and "in your head". You have no evidence to back it up. I've seen skill levels do wonders to how fast something is done. Mining and cutting wood are the easiest to notice, but a legendary crafter will often barely enter the workshop when he is done. If stats have any influence on how fast the work is done, it is overshadowed by the skill anyway.
well, lets disagree then. I see the wiki, the wiki has attributes for skills. We used them.
But you can adjust their attribute weight, which you already have to compensate for this.
you acknowledge some attributes are useful for speed (such as walking). I believe they are useful for the workshops as well. I have no info to tell me they are not, I have info telling me they are used for skills on the wiki.
Post by: Intrinsic on January 11, 2013, 04:15:47 pm
Edit: Just to say i don't know how long this bug has been present as i've been away for a while, the last version i had is 17 and that works fine.
Post by: splinterz on January 11, 2013, 04:28:52 pm
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I deselected "Include role ratings when sorting labour columns" and "Include role ratings when sorting skill columns" and it didn't help. Well, after changing the weights it works slightly better.if you have the role stuff off of the labor columns the weights don't affect anything. it's purely sorting on the rating and the skill rate. the problem is that it's combining those two elements, which you disagree with. i'll run some tests to compare with your suggested method and consider changing it, since i think it was you who asked for it in the first place.
hey i've got no problem gutting the default roles if people think they're downright awful. you're the first one to complain so vehemently, and i'm willing to look past the blatant insults to listen to what you've got to say.
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For most civilian labours, like Masonry use just XP and skill rates, I've already given you the formula.according to the wiki, these labors don't exclusively use only skill rates/xp. yes it's assumed that skills use the attributes associated with them. not every skill may be accurate. it's true that most, if not all the roles are based on wiki/forum information found because i've got no other data. if you're saying the wiki is full of shit, well i guess i'd like a few other people to back that up. again it sounds like you're have a major issue with the default roles right? have you overridden most of them, or you're just upset because you feel it misleads new users?
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Include a sortable grid view with stats. (The one we have works for sorting, but not displaying stats.)what stats aren't capable of sorting? do you mean attributes?
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Include a sortable grid view with traits. That way people can sort by helpfulness, choose a dutiful dwarf near the top of the list and make her the CMD.sure, this isn't an issue, you can already do this yourself. i can include a view in the default set though, that's a good idea.
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I already explained that you cannot just make a weighted arithmetic average out of skills and stats, because it is meaningless. Even if you could, the weights are unknown. For things like probability of a disease based on blood pressure, temperature, weight, age and so on you can use optimisation or data mining to find something that works, but here there doesn't seem to be any data, just people and their preferences. The entire way of thinking that lead to introducing these roles is fundamentally wrong and based on wrong assumptions. A dead give-away was that you wanted to include skill rates with a weight, instead of tying them with current level of skill, as they no longer matter after Legendary +5.you don't need to know the weights, the weights are whatever a user decides. the system doesn't care. you love your skills, go ahead, weigh them as 10x that of everything else. maybe you want to override that on a specific role, or leave skills out of the next role. what's so wrong with that? what's wrong with the design that a user should be able to decide what to value more for a particular job?
speaking of wrong assumptions, in the role calculations, the raw level and experience are never used. it's capped at legendary +5, since for a job in DF higher than 20 doesn't matter. they are tied to the current level of skill, they're just valued equally (which i think i clearly mentioned may need adjustment).
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Give warning to any tooltips with the roles that the values there are arbitrary and should not be relied upon.really now, if you can't compose yourself enough to have a decent discussion i'll be hard pressed to keep taking you seriously.
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I think I see why we disagree. When selecting a Dwarf for a job, I think you ask "Which one of you will work the best what Legendary +5?" For me the question is "Which one of you will get to Legendary +5 the fastest and wasting the least materials?"i think this is key. you don't want attributes, traits or preferences in your roles at all. so is the system totally flawed in it's concept, or are you just unable to figure out how to make it work for you?
Post by: Lycaeon on January 11, 2013, 05:01:49 pm
Of course, attributes, traits, and preferences have significant roles as well, and so must also be weighted (Especially as the majority of DF games played have no differing skill rates). As such, perhaps an option to weigh/not weigh skill rates would serve as a compromise?
In the end, it is your effort splinterz, and so it is entirely up to you how you want Dwarf Therapist to work. Regardless of what happens, I will greatly appreciate the end result. Thank you! :)
Post by: thistleknot on January 11, 2013, 05:17:25 pm
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I think I see why we disagree. When selecting a Dwarf for a job, I think you ask "Which one of you will work the best what Legendary +5?" For me the question is "Which one of you will get to Legendary +5 the fastest and wasting the least materials?"
yes. That's why skill ratings (before being combined into a role rating) take into account the caste's skill rate learning. I believe it's something like skill rating * % of skill increase rating. Example, if a wood savant (not sure if wood savants learn carpentry faster) has a 130% increase in skill learning, than the skill % * 130% would be the new skill rating before being combined with attributes and traits and preferences % before being combined into an overall percent.
Again, I'm not entirely sure, but that was my general idea of it when talking with Splinterz.
Post by: feelotraveller on January 11, 2013, 05:23:35 pm
Creativity (in my experience, repeatedly, but I have not kept hard numbers :)) leads to much higher quality works in Masons/Carpenters/Craftsdwarf's/Weaponsmiths etc., and Analytic Ability to higher quality meals and mechanisms. At least for moderately skilled dwarfs. Perhaps this effect disappears at Legendary+5?
I find attributes important, traits well worth considering and preferences 'can' be make or break. Sure it is comparing plump helmets to prickle berries but that they are all factors in the equation of the best dwarf for the job seems beyond doubt.
Post by: splinterz on January 11, 2013, 05:28:54 pm
Though I disagree with Maklak's argument of the concept, I do see his point about caste skill rates being weighted more highly than attributes and traits. Over the course of a fortress's lifetime, most dwarves, barring the rarity of strange moods, will reach legendary through sheer effort, repeating dozens of reactions to produce goods in order to gain enough experience. This is the most time-consuming portion of training a dwarf to legendary, and it is to this portion that skill rates have the highest contribution, and so should be duly considered when assigning unskilled dwarves belonging to a caste-system with differing skill rates.personally i agree completely with skills and their rates being worth more than attributes, traits and preferences. i usually set the skill weight very high and drop the others much lower to achieve this. the nice thing about applying the skill rates with a weight is it's easy to allow the user to set a weight themselves. the bad thing is that it adds more ui clutter, especially if the skill rate weight is allowed to be overridden for every skill! however Maklok's suggestion may give better results for the ratings, i need to test it out.
Of course, attributes, traits, and preferences have significant roles as well, and so must also be weighted (Especially as the majority of DF games played have no differing skill rates). As such, perhaps an option to weigh/not weigh skill rates would serve as a compromise?
In the end, it is your effort splinterz, and so it is entirely up to you how you want Dwarf Therapist to work. Regardless of what happens, I will greatly appreciate the end result. Thank you! :)
there's been a lot of effort (myself and others) put into the branch, but the direction is always community driven. regardless of the amount of tact when providing feedback, i still appreciate it and try to make whatever changes are necessary.
no it's not doing that, and that's one of the major problems he's got. i used an equally weighted average between the skill experience and the skill rate, because i figured i wouldn't want a low level with high skill rate jumping up over a higher skill level with lower rate. this may not have been the best decision, which is fine! that's the reason there's patch notes and i asked for feedback, so it can be adjusted, because i don't get to play to know, i'm always coding :)QuoteI think I see why we disagree. When selecting a Dwarf for a job, I think you ask "Which one of you will work the best what Legendary +5?" For me the question is "Which one of you will get to Legendary +5 the fastest and wasting the least materials?"... skill rating * % of skill increase rating. Example, if a wood savant (not sure if wood savants learn carpentry faster) has a 130% increase in skill learning, than the skill % * 130% would be the new skill rating...
Post by: Nkosi_SW on January 11, 2013, 05:48:55 pm
Malak, I think you need to pull your head in a bit mate, as we say here in Australia. Coming in to a thread demanding that the volunteer developer change his code to what you want, questioning why nobody has noticed this obvious bug before (and therefore implying everyone else in the thread is an idiot), and generally using confrontational, aggressive and overbearing language is no way to win friends and influence people.
The real answer to your demands isn't within unknown formulas buried in DF. It's that everyone plays DF differently and therefore uses DT differently too. The reason us poor idiots haven't noticed this "obvious bug" before you came along in all your brilliance and revealed it to us is that for some of us, it's not a bug at all. When I play, I actually have the role skill weighting set to zero, and other roles weighted at various levels to achieve what I want in DF. Others can do differently if they want. We don't all do things your way.
Why not be more constructive to get things working the way you want, such as learning more about the program (you apparently weren't even aware about the Default Rating settings under options), modifying these and the settings in the config files, and then if if all that fails, politely suggesting some changes to the code that will still allow others to do things the way they want too? If you still aren't happy with the outcome, well, you are quite free to go and fork the code for DT and make it work exactly the way you want.
Post by: thistleknot on January 11, 2013, 05:56:52 pm
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i used an equally weighted average between the skill experience and the skill rate, because i figured i wouldn't want a low level with high skill rate jumping up over a higher skill level with lower ratecan you give an example? This intrigues me, as I too wouldn't want a higher skilled dwarf to be outranked by a lower skilled dwarf with a higher learning rate.
In my eyes, two equally skilled dwarfs would be outranked by the higher learning rate
Post by: Sutremaine on January 11, 2013, 06:59:29 pm
Speaking of workshop skill limits, have you made any headway on determining skill rust? There's pretty good evidence that at higher skill levels, rust doesn't work properly. The game doesn't display a (Rusty) note, but the skill is still treated as Dabbling for the purposes of workshop assignments. I don't know if this translates into quality loss the way 'proper' rust does, but it does make a mess of workshop profiles.
Post by: splinterz on January 11, 2013, 07:09:17 pm
yeah i explained it poorly, it works more like a bonus now if it helps to think of it that way. since the rates can range from 0 to 500% i was tentative in applying it directly to the skill level/xp by doing something like current xp/29k * skill rate. you can easily have situations where a lower level with a high skill rate will rank higher than an almost maxed skill with a normal skill rate.Quotei used an equally weighted average between the skill experience and the skill rate, because i figured i wouldn't want a low level with high skill rate jumping up over a higher skill level with lower ratecan you give an example? This intrigues me, as I too wouldn't want a higher skilled dwarf to be outranked by a lower skilled dwarf with a higher learning rate.
In my eyes, two equally skilled dwarfs would be outranked by the higher learning rate
it's also important to note that what's used in the roles doesn't have to be used for the sorting. they're calculated separately.
currently if the levels/xp are equal the higher rate will end up with a bonus and thus a higher rating.
Post by: splinterz on January 11, 2013, 07:24:23 pm
I wouldn't mind a pre-made option for Raw XP in the same vein as the options for caste, migration wave, squad, etc. I liked the old behaviour because it allowed me to see who could be nudged from Dabbling general handydwarf to a Novice able to be taught the job as a trade (it just bugs me seeing old first-year skills hanging around at Dabbling. I wish Toady would make them rust away to nothing). Mostly this was used for Masonry, since it's one of those jobs that's both useful on everyone and better done by a skilled dwarf.for the option were you talking about another way to group dwarves? did i break one of them?
Speaking of workshop skill limits, have you made any headway on determining skill rust? There's pretty good evidence that at higher skill levels, rust doesn't work properly. The game doesn't display a (Rusty) note, but the skill is still treated as Dabbling for the purposes of workshop assignments. I don't know if this translates into quality loss the way 'proper' rust does, but it does make a mess of workshop profiles.
as far as i can tell the rusting is totally broken. the only thing that seems to work is checking for skills actually degrading and losing xp. at higher levels i believe what happens is the rust level tops out. what it does is it increases a last used counter to the skills unused limit, then it increases a rust counter. once the rust counter hits it's max, it increases a demotion counter. once that hits it's max, it adds a 'layer' of rust.
i tested with fast rusting, and the rust on a skill won't go over 6 'layers'. when it attempts to, the tag is removed from the skill (rusty, v.rusty) as you described, and from that point on, rusting seems to be completely ignored. no new layers, no counters increase or anything.
Post by: thistleknot on January 11, 2013, 09:10:55 pm
here it is
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if(m_df->show_skill_rates()){
skill_rate_value = s->skill_rate() / 500; //skill rate is capped at 500%, default is 100%
aspect_value += skill_rate_value;
aspect_value /= 2.0f; //equally weigh skill rate gain and the actually skill rating, may need adjustment
}
So if I'm reading this correctly
it's skill rate / 500 (vanilla would be 100 / 500)
Vanilla skill_rate_value = .2
then the aspect_value (which is the skill exp / 29k) = aspect_value + skill_rate_value (so far, for vanilla, (skill exp / 29k) + .2)
then divide this by 2?
how does that make sense?
Post by: Maklak on January 11, 2013, 11:17:54 pm
* Speed (based on agility, strength and encumberance) and not attributes directly influence how fast a task at a workshop is performed.
* Much to my surprise, attributes seem to influence quality, but I didn't make enough beds to be certain.
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if you have the role stuff off of the labour columns the weights don't affect anything. it's purely sorting on the rating and the skill rate. the problem is that it's combining those two elements, which you disagree with. I'll run some tests to compare with your suggested method and consider changing it, since I think it was you who asked for it in the first place.I agree with combining skill and skill rate, I just disagree with combining them incorrectly.
Yes, I asked for skill rates, but I won't be the only one benefiting from them. For example Masterwork Mod has castes and learning rates too.
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hey i've got no problem gutting the default roles if people think they're downright awful. you're the first one to complain so vehemently, and i'm willing to look past the blatant insults to listen to what you've got to say.Hey, I was restraining myself, damnit. Well, I guess some of what I said may have been seen as insults. Anyway, at my best I can provide lots of useful feedback and at my worst I get into arguments.
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if you're saying the wiki is full of shit, well i guess i'd like a few other people to back that up. again it sounds like you're have a major issue with the default roles right? have you overridden most of them, or you're just upset because you feel it misleads new users?Well, I said that some info on the wiki is useless, but overall I think the wiki is good, it just doesn't have all the data and formulas, even those it used to have for 40d. Vague statements that "Archery affects ranged combat", when the research says it barely influences enemies' dodge chance or "These attributes are related to this skill" just don't tell me much when I need numbers and formulas for calculations. Don't tell me, this wasn't frustrating when you were implementing the hints for best roles.
As to roles, well I used to rely on them, because "hey, a guy with 80% marksdwarf has to better than one with 20%, right?" For unmodded game it didn't really matter much. Besides I assumed that whoever implemented this feature based it on some solid information and not guesswork. Even when DT sorted things mixing high and low skills, I still believed that it was because attributes changed the amount of XP per job (they don't). I only discovered how flawed this system was when I got a mod with skill rates and the recommendations became too misleading to bear. My guess is that most people either ignore the recommendations or assume they're right and don't question them. Besides, providing hints based on some heuristics is OK, but sorting by them should be an option with sorting by XP as default.
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Yes, I meant attributes. They are sorted correctly, they are just displayed with a few discrete values tied to descriptions in the character sheet and it can and should be improved. I already gave you an idea to just put numbers from 0 to 00. Another possibility is to find the minimum and maximum for current population and scale that from -20 to +20. The only downsides are that this will be weird for a small number of dwarves (could be remedied by say, having minimum be no greater than 700 and maximum no less than 1200) and that as the military progresses, the civilians will seem to regress.QuoteInclude a sortable grid view with stats. (The one we have works for sorting, but not displaying stats.)
what stats aren't capable of sorting? do you mean attributes?
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you don't need to know the weights, the weights are whatever a user decides. the system doesn't care. you love your skills, go ahead, weigh them as 10x that of everything else. maybe you want to override that on a specific role, or leave skills out of the next role. what's so wrong with that? what's wrong with the design that a user should be able to decide what to value more for a particular job?There are default weights. My guess is that few users will be capable of improving them. I also don't think an aggregating function based on weighted arithmetic mean is much good here. However, after all this discussion, I'm inclined to agree that this system can be usable for some things, tweaked or even "disabled". Oh, and since I'm a user, this is a contradiction: "you don't need to know the weights, the weights are whatever a user decides".
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speaking of wrong assumptions, in the role calculations, the raw level and experience are never used. it's capped at legendary +5, since for a job in DF higher than 20 doesn't matter. they are tied to the current level of skill, they're just valued equally (which i think i clearly mentioned may need adjustment).If the XP level for a Legendary +5 is listed as "29000+" or "MAX" and all those dwarves are treated as equals, I'm fine with it. However for two nearly identical dwarves, one of whom is 90% to next level and the other 10% to next level, the more advanced one should be higher. This is why I think sorting by (capped) XP rather than skill level would be a good idea.
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So now you're insulting me back. I am serious, at least add this info about roles to the manual. Speaking of which, a manual for DT would be a good idea. It is easy to just use DT for labour management, but it has some more esoteric stuff. For example I've read somewhere that it is possible to make lists of skills and assign those lists to dwarves, which would be faster than clicking each square separately for each wave of migrants.QuoteGive warning to any tooltips with the roles that the values there are arbitrary and should not be relied upon.really now, if you can't compose yourself enough to have a decent discussion i'll be hard pressed to keep taking you seriously.
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I had to think a bit on this one. The system has been working against me so far and I still say it is flawed in it's concept. There are some ways to aggregate functions: first normalise them, then use arithmetic, geometric or max / min methods. There is also a method with distance from an "I'm happy with this" spot. All of them have their own problems, if only in choosing weights that make sense.QuoteI think I see why we disagree. When selecting a Dwarf for a job, I think you ask "Which one of you will work the best at Legendary +5?" For me the question is "Which one of you will get to Legendary +5 the fastest and wasting the least materials?"I think this is key. you don't want attributes, traits or preferences in your roles at all. so is the system totally flawed in it's concept, or are you just unable to figure out how to make it work for you?
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Of course, attributes, traits, and preferences have significant roles as well, and so must also be weighted (Especially as the majority of DF games played have no differing skill rates). As such, perhaps an option to weigh/not weigh skill rates would serve as a compromise?They are either different and matter or uniform and don't matter. It is automatic; making an option for this would be pointless, except maybe to avoid dwarves with low skills being above those with higher skills, but poor learning rates.
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That's why skill ratings (before being combined into a role rating) take into account the caste's skill rate learning. I believe it's something like skill rating * % of skill increase rating. Example, if a wood savant (not sure if wood savants learn carpentry faster) has a 130% increase in skill learning, than the skill % * 130% would be the new skill rating before being combined with attributes and traits and preferences % before being combined into an overall percent.This is wrong, because for very low skill the skill rate wouldn't matter, while an unskilled wood savant is obviously a better choice for a carpenter than a Novice, since he will get to Legendary +5 faster. You want to take ((29000 - current_XP) / skill_rate), since that's all the skill rates affect in the end. Now, for this not to screw up your current system and assuming you want to normalise to <0,1> at 100 skill rate, where 1 is more desired than 0, you'd have to take (1 - ans/290.0). So this should work:
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int XP = (current_XP > 29000) ? 29000 : current_XP;
int rate = (skill_rate < 1)? 1: skill_rate; // 0 or 1 doesn't really matter.
double jobs_left = (29000 - XP) / rate; // Ignore division by 60.
double normalised_XP = 1.0 - jobs_left/290.0; // This can be as low as -28999, but you don't want to train a skill with 1% learning rate anyway.
// For things like 0 skill and 30% learning rate this will be -2.3333, which is quite sane, but you might still want to "cap the bottom".
// For good learning rates, like 200%, this formula "pretends" that half the XP has already been generated.Well, some edge cases, like a Legendary+5 at 1% learning rate and fast skill rust aren't considered, but for most things this should be fine.Quote
Creativity (in my experience, repeatedly, but I have not kept hard numbers leads to much higher quality works in Masons/Carpenters/Craftsdwarf's/Weaponsmiths etc., and Analytic Ability to higher quality meals and mechanisms. At least for moderately skilled dwarfs. Perhaps this effect disappears at Legendary+5?My own research inconclusively indicates that you are correct. I assumed the info for 40d about quality was still valid, because newer versions of it don't have a nice spreadsheet.
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the nice thing about applying the skill rates with a weight is it's easy to allow the user to set a weight themselves.You might as well say that the nice thing in trying to emulate multiplication with weighted addition is that the user can adjust the weights himself. It just doesn't work that way. What you might do with your current system is to include weights for raw skill and the value that my formula spits out. That way it is easy to disable one of them, but for 100% learning rates they are synonymous anyway. Once you have access to the learning rates, using them for calculations and adding things to options are a low hanging friut.
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there's been a lot of effort (myself and others) put into the branch, but the direction is always community driven. regardless of the amount of tact when providing feedback, i still appreciate it and try to make whatever changes are necessary.Thank you. I am more rude than I need to be, but it stems from me wanting DT to work better, for me at least.
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no it's not doing that, and that's one of the major problems he's got. i used an equally weighted average between the skill experience and the skill rate, because i figured i wouldn't want a low level with high skill rate jumping up over a higher skill level with lower rate. this may not have been the best decision, which is fine! that's the reason there's patch notes and i asked for feedback, so it can be adjusted, because i don't get to play to know, i'm always coding.I've actually considered the problem of unskilled peasant jumping ahead of someone experienced, when the skill rates are different enough. On one hand, the dwarf who is skilled now can already produce better items faster, on the other a high skill rate will let someone else catch up and exceed his skill relatively quickly. My conclusion is to allow "jumping ahead" for these reasons:
* Whoever wins the race to Legendary +5 should get the job anyway.
* I can easily see out-of order skill levels in the grid. I cannot see out-of order skill rates, except by looking at lots of tooltips.
* Meaningless in vanilla and people with mods and castes will likely want to use them to their fullest anyway.
* As of now, the grid sorts by a compound value rather than skills, so this is already happening.
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Malak, I think you need to pull your head in a bit mate, as we say here in Australia. Coming in to a thread demanding that the volunteer developer change his code to what you want, questioning why nobody has noticed this obvious bug before (and therefore implying everyone else in the thread is an idiot), and generally using confrontational, aggressive and overbearing language is no way to win friends and influence people.I know I'm antagonising people and that this is a recurring pattern, no matter the social group. To date, I haven't found a solution to this problem. If I just wrote what I wanted to say, waited for two days, edited it and posted it then, this discussion might have looked differently, but what's done is done. There isn't even much room for "damage control".
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current xp/29k * skill rate.Incorrect and I explained it above as well as gave the formula for determining who maxes out the skill the fastest. One way of looking at it is that XP rates generate "virtual XP".
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it's also important to note that what's used in the roles doesn't have to be used for the sorting. they're calculated separately.I don't mind hints about roles in tooltips much, even those I disagree with. It is just that everything is sorted by them, but as someone already explained, the workaround is to set weights to 0 to everything except skills.
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currently if the levels/xp are equal the higher rate will end up with a bonus and thus a higher rating.Well, I still have tooltips to hunt down a candidate for a job, but sadly they don't display XP rates for skills at 0. Even then, I have the bigger tooltips to guess the caste by description and check it in the big file in the RAWs if I have doubts, it is just time-consuming and inconvenient.
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So if I'm reading this correctly [...] how does that make sense?It doesn't, that's part of the point I'm trying to make.
Post by: thistleknot on January 11, 2013, 11:52:14 pm
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This is wrong, because for very low skill the skill rate wouldn't matter, while an unskilled wood savant is obviously a better choice for a carpenter than a Novice, since he will get to Legendary +5 faster. You want to take ((29000 - current_XP) / skill_rate), since that's all the skill rates affect in the end. Now, for this not to screw up your current system and assuming you want to normalise to <0,1> at 100 skill rate, where 1 is more desired than 0, you'd have to take (1 - ans/290.0). So this should work:
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int XP = (current_XP > 29000) ? 29000 : current_XP;
int rate = (skill_rate < 1)? 1: skill_rate; // 0 or 1 doesn't really matter.
double jobs_left = (29000 - XP) / rate; // Ignore division by 60.
double normalised_XP = 1.0 - jobs_left/290.0; // This can be as low as -28999, but you don't want to train a skill with 1% learning rate anyway.
// For things like 0 skill and 30% learning rate this will be -2.3333, which is quite sane, but you might still want to "cap the bottom".
// For good learning rates, like 200%, this formula "pretends" that half the XP has already been generated.
btw, normalizing from 0 to 100, with 50 representing average is always the desired result. We have it done for attributes and traits... trying to quantify skills and adding in skill rates was hard, but your crazy ass formula worked (maybe we can do something similar for preferences as well....) I don't see how one can get negative numbers (unless some castes have below 100 learning rates).
btw, we're working on introducing more attribute bins for modded games, so the attribute %'s scale to all castes (no more -20 to +20 squares drawn to each caste, but now a % from lowest possible to highest possible based by combining all castes into a super binary distribution). Each bin is factored by that castes frequency in the population, then a master bin layout is created (bin as in binary frequency distribution).
I'm going to code your little quip in right now, I can upload it for you if you'd like.
btw, I think who is currently best at a job is more important. If I want to create high quality items now, then I want to see who's best now. Naturally, learning rates should be considered, but... I think that as they are considered, they will eventually supplement and surpass my slower learning rate dwarf's.
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Well, I modded in your suggestion, here's what the code looks like
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I'm not exactly sure what it's doing, or how it does it, I know it scales from 0 to 100, and giving preference to those with higher learning rates... it also seems to take learning rates below 100% and sets them to 100% (I'm not sure that's necessary).
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Well here's your version.
Thanks for that code snippet.
I see now what happens with low skilled dwarf's that have below 100% skill learning rate... They get a negative # that means # * 100%, which could have a detrimental affect on role calculations since it's not 0 to 1 (but to be honest, it doesn't really matter, because in the end, there's a cdf function that's done on everything, although... my labor optimizer, uses the raw values before it's ran through a cdf...).
What could be done, is scale anything below 0 to .01 to .1, -99 would be .01, -2.33 would be .9767. The frequency of such dwarf's is probably minimal that this wouldn't mess up your formula.
here's the code built.
personally, I still prefer a current highest, as I want to know who's currently best, as the current best dwarf will change over time, I update my dwarf's accordingly (thanks to the labor optimizer, mass reassigning labors is a snap).
http://www.mediafire.com/?672ff04vcbmww7d
Post by: Maklak on January 12, 2013, 06:14:45 am
It is good that we are finally having a conversation. I'm supposed to be good at math, at least with optimisation, multi-criteria optimisation, heuristics, operations research and similar fields. My formulas are rather obvious if you think in terms of distance from the sweet spot (legendary +5), with "distance" being the number of jobs it will take to get there. Sadly, you still don't get what it does and how it works, so I'll try to explain. Using formulas without understanding them and obfuscating that with code, then fixing that in the wrong places is a big problem.
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btw, normalizing from 0 to 100, with 50 representing average is always the desired result.Well, you could simply multiply this by a 100, but it won't be enough if you want to get rid of negative values so much.
- double normalised_XP = 1.0 - jobs_left/290.0;
+ double normalised_XP = 100.0 - jobs_left/2.9;
50 doesn't represent "the mean", but rather being halfway there.
Therefore a Dwarf with 29000/2 XP and 100% learning rate is halfway there.
So is a Dwarf with 29000/4 XP and 150% learning rates.
So is a Dwarf with 0 XP and 200% learning rates.
So is a Dwarf with 29000 *.75 XP and 50% learning rates. Come to think of it, this one is actually preferable to the rest, since he can make quality items now and will continue to be better until the others catch up, so aggregating this with pure skill level / capped XP is a good idea.
Is this clearer now?
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I don't see how one can get negative numbers (unless some castes have below 100 learning rates).Of course I can have learning rates below 100%. Just look at Masterwork Mod castes. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PwhM3DFdPo8/UOJQ16NWd-I/AAAAAAAALkI/7vXBQLy85GQ/s1020/Caste%2520Guide.jpg Half of them have "Slow learner, 50% skills" for most skills. Part of the point of having "savant" castes is that they are good at something, but not much good at anything else. There is similar balance in the FoE mod I play, otherwise I'd have "Dwarves, only better". The negative normalised_XP represents "penalty XP". An unskilled Dwarf with 50% learning rates gets -1 (or -100 if you normalise to a 100), because -1 is twice as far from 1 as 0 is rom 1. By capping skill rates at minimum 100% you ignore that information, which is incorrect.
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btw, we're working on introducing more attribute bins for modded games, so the attribute %'s scale to all castes (no more -20 to +20 squares drawn to each caste, but now a % from lowest possible to highest possible based by combining all castes into a super binary distribution). Each bin is factored by that castes frequency in the population, then a master bin layout is created (bin as in binary frequency distribution).I don't really understand any of that and neither wikipedia nor wolfram alpha has any info on "binary frequency distribution". It feels like an overly complex solution to a simpler problem. I would prefer to see real values, but if you want to go for maximum and minimum for all castes and scale the results to <-20, +20>, just remember to also find the minimum and maximum for current citizens. Some may rust below the racial minimum and soldiers are likely to exceed the normal racial maximum, at least for some attributes. I don't care about the frequency of castes, just that I can look and see who is the strongest among my population at a glance, without sorting by strength.
After thinking about it for a while, I think I understand. Rather than scaling linearly between maximum and minimum for an attribute, you compute the probability distribution for an attribute based on values for and frequencies of castes, then slice the cumulative distribution function into 41 or whatever equal pieces (from 0 to 1). If that's what you're doing, it IMO is an overkill, but may have some nice properties. I suppose you can just display minimum or maximum for those dwarves who are outside of your intervals. The easiest way to do this is by "brute force". Just have an array of 5000 doubles and for each caste add a few thousands of: probability_of_attribute_value * probability_of_caste. It will be easy to find your intervals from there.
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btw, I think who is currently best at a job is more important. If I want to create high quality items now, then I want to see who's best now. Naturally, learning rates should be considered, but... I think that as they are considered, they will eventually supplement and surpass my slower learning rate dwarf's.This is fully doable with your normalised, weighted arithmetic mean. Just have the weight for unmodified skill be an order of magnitude higher than for what my formula spits out. But, like I said, you'll easily notice out-of order skills in grid view (0 above 5 or whatever) and your factoring in attributes already does this sort of thing anyway. You won't notice a wood savant so easily when looking for a new carpenter. (Well, you would in masterwork, but in FoE citizens have no natural skills from their castes, just different learning rates.)
I've read the code and the biggest issue is that you cap learning rates at a minimum of 100%. Since I'm proposing a "fix", if you want to even give my ugly bastard the curtsy of calling it a fix, I won't get into more details here.
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I'm not exactly sure what it's doing, or how it does it, I know it scales from 0 to 100, and giving preference to those with higher learning rates... it also seems to take learning rates below 100% and sets them to 100% (I'm not sure that's necessary).That's a big problem. Those are simple and obvious formulas and I didn't even expect, I'd have to write them down myself, much less explain them is such detail. :( Once again, the negative values are essential and it really is a linear scale best understood in terms of distance to 1 (or a 100). Negative values are just further away and you don't want to assign dwarves with big skill penalties to labours anyway.
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What could be done, is scale anything below 0 to .01 to .1, -99 would be .01, -2.33 would be .9767. The frequency of such dwarf's is probably minimal that this wouldn't mess up your formula.Facepalm. -99 (when scaled to 1) for 0 skill means 1% learning rate (My previous code snippet had an error in the comment). -2.33 for 0 skill means 30% learning rates. Both are trivial to calculate in memory. What you're saying here is that assuming you scale to <0,100> both 1% learning rate and no skill and 30% rate and no skill are about as good as a dabbling Dwarf with 100% learning rate, which is obviously not the case.
My formula with negative values has elegance, but fine. If you want to pervert it and force it to fit into <0, 100> with 50 being an "average" value, I can still do that better than your proposal. It will of course still be bogus, in addition to being disgusting and not as simple as what I proposed in the first place, but it can be aggregated with the rest of your criteria without crippling them for low learning rates. (And since I'm insulting my own work here, no one should object much). (That was a joke.)
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int XP = (current_XP > 29000) ? 29000 : current_XP;
int rate = (skill_rate < 1)? 1: skill_rate; // 0 or 1 doesn't really matter.
double jobs_left = (29000.0 - XP) / rate; // Ignore division by 60.
double normalised_XP = 50.0 * (1.0 - jobs_left/290.0); // Scaled to <-4950...50>
if (normalised_XP >= 0)
normalised_XP += 50.0; // Values <50..100> reserved for those suitable for a task.
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normalised_XP = -50.0 / (normalised_XP - 1.0); // Best I can do is a multiplicative inverse, really better suited for geometric means.
// It should be barely acceptable for learning rates no lower than 30%.
With this, 50 is no longer "halfway there", it is what you get for 100% rates and 0 skills. The closer you are to legendary +5, the closer this is to a 100, and the lower the learning rate, the closer you are to 0. Well, not the first and not the last hax in multicriterial optimisation.Post by: thistleknot on January 12, 2013, 09:38:59 am
the more and more i think about it. the more i dislike skill % being modified by skill rate.
skill % is already modified by skill rate by attaining skill faster. to me it would b better to have a group by option for it, ot own category (such as attributes, skills, traits, preferences, skill rate), or an option to modify existing skill by skill rate (but not enabled by default)
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what could be done to make it it's own category
is to read all rate modifiers for castes, multiply this rate modifier by the castes frequency
then do something like set the lowest value to 0, highest to 100
Something similar is being done for attributes
and a mean of 50 is not important for skills, it was more-so for traits/attributes
here's the code for attribute bins
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traits
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the traits and attributes use known knowledge to find their mean of 50. I did the research on the traits myself using 16,000 dwarf's, which provided me with about 46k data points to draw the statistics from.
The attributes were verified once it was found dfhack was exporting names of attributes in the wrong order, I started a big fight on the wiki saying stuff was inaccurate... the attributes follow a simple 1/6 breakdown per bin category (remember what I was saying about frequency bins, at least that's what I told a frequency bin was).
we hope to incorporate better traits for castes by incorporating the castes min/max values that vanilla traits don't have. The formula is pretty basic, it's
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we hope to multiply these values by the castes frequency, so we can see where a dwarf fits within the whole fortress mode race.
trait bins
Post by: Rowanas on January 12, 2013, 10:40:35 am
Post by: MaxZero on January 12, 2013, 11:04:55 am
I'm getting pretty much to the end of my tether trying to make Dwarf TheRapist read my dwarves. I own a mac, so all of those helpful "34.11 included" versions like the splinterz branch, won't work for me. After searching a while, I found someone asking the same thing, and I've done both. Either way, DT connects to my game, but when I try to read my dwarves, it tells me that my game isn't running, or that I've unloaded the fort. I brought the fort out of my sidebar, just in case that was screwing it up, but it gives me the same message every time and it's driving me nuts. It's like DT is aware that I'm playing, but can't see the actual game. Any help?
This topic is a bit too technical for easy reading so I haven't bothered to read back to the posts from June to see if the situation is any different from when I was first trying to get it to work. If it is, please dont moan.
To get Therapist to work properly with 34.11 on the mac, you will need to manually insert the required memory layout into the program's 'package contents'. To get there, right cilck on the Dwarf Therapist application, click show package contents and navigate to Contents>MacOS>etc>Memory_Layouts>osx
Within that you will see that there haven't been any added to the program since .07
Amending the download would save a lot of people a lot of hassle
I dont know where to find the .11 memory layout online but you can make it yourself by opening textedit and pasting the following into a document
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[info]
checksum=0x8f421f9c
version_name=v0.34.11
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01636a88
language_vector=0x01636a70
creature_vector=0x015f56ec
dwarf_race_index=0x015dcf80
squad_vector=0x01633600
current_year=0x01fb1f21
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0158
current_job=0x0288
turn_count=0x0540
states=0x0
souls=0x05fc
labors=0x0618
happiness=0x06a8
squad_ref_id=0x070c
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x0004
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000Save it as the following:
v0.34.11.ini
and then put it into the folder navigated to above.
This makes Dwarf Therapist useable, but it still has a tendency to be temperamental.
(This must have been typed out several times in this thread now)
Post by: thistleknot on January 12, 2013, 11:27:57 am
I finally get what your formula is doing
double jobs_left = (29000 - XP) / rate; // Ignore division by 60.
means treat each job * rate as the # of exp gained.
Interesting concept.
Post by: Rowanas on January 12, 2013, 11:33:35 am
I'm getting pretty much to the end of my tether trying to make Dwarf TheRapist read my dwarves. I own a mac, so all of those helpful "34.11 included" versions like the splinterz branch, won't work for me. After searching a while, I found someone asking the same thing, and I've done both. Either way, DT connects to my game, but when I try to read my dwarves, it tells me that my game isn't running, or that I've unloaded the fort. I brought the fort out of my sidebar, just in case that was screwing it up, but it gives me the same message every time and it's driving me nuts. It's like DT is aware that I'm playing, but can't see the actual game. Any help?
This topic is a bit too technical for easy reading so I haven't bothered to read back to the posts from June to see if the situation is any different from when I was first trying to get it to work. If it is, please dont moan.
To get Therapist to work properly with 34.11 on the mac, you will need to manually insert the required memory layout into the program's 'package contents'. To get there, right cilck on the Dwarf Therapist application, click show package contents and navigate to Contents>MacOS>etc>Memory_Layouts>osx
Within that you will see that there haven't been any added to the program since .07
Amending the download would save a lot of people a lot of hassle
I dont know where to find the .11 memory layout online but you can make it yourself by opening textedit and pasting the following into a documentCode: [Select][info]
checksum=0x8f421f9c
version_name=v0.34.11
complete=false
[addresses]
translation_vector=0x01636a88
language_vector=0x01636a70
creature_vector=0x015f56ec
dwarf_race_index=0x015dcf80
squad_vector=0x01633600
current_year=0x01fb1f21
[offsets]
word_table=0x001C
[word_offsets]
base=0x0000
noun_singular=0x0004
noun_plural=0x0008
adjective=0x000C
verb=0x0014
present_simple_verb=0x0018
past_simple_verb=0x001C
past_participle_verb=0x0020
present_participle_verb=0x0024
[dwarf_offsets]
first_name=0x0000
nick_name=0x0004
last_name=0x0008
custom_profession=0x003c
profession=0x0040
race=0x0044
flags1=0x008C
flags2=0x0090
sex=0x00A6
id=0x00A8
recheck_equipment=0x0158
current_job=0x0288
turn_count=0x0540
states=0x0
souls=0x05fc
labors=0x0618
happiness=0x06a8
squad_ref_id=0x070c
[soul_details]
skills=0x01D4
traits=0x01EC
[job_details]
id=0x0008
on_break_flag=0x0011
sub_job_id=0x0040
[squad_offsets]
id=0x0000
name=0x0004
members=0x0044
[valid_flags_1]
size=1
1\name=Not from around these parts
1\value=0x80000000
[valid_flags_2]
size=1
1\name=Dead. Deceased. An Undwarf!
1\value=0x02000000
[invalid_flags_1]
size=7
1\name=a zombie
1\value=0x00001000
2\name=a skeleton
2\value=0x00002000
3\name=a merchant or diplomat
3\value=0x00000040
4\name=outpost liason
4\value=0x00000800
5\name=an invader or hostile
5\value=0x00020000
6\name=an invader or hostile
6\value=0x00080000
7\name=an invader or hostile
7\value=0x000C0000
[invalid_flags_2]
size=2
1\name="dead, Jim."
1\value=0x00000080
2\name=from the Underworld. SPOOKY!
2\value=0x00040000
Save it as the following:
v0.34.11.ini
and then put it into the folder navigated to above.
This makes Dwarf Therapist useable, but it still has a tendency to be temperamental.
(This must have been typed out several times in this thread now)
I'll try that. I did search back to page 162, but when you've got so many pages to read over, it's easier just to ask again :D
Post by: walberg on January 12, 2013, 11:50:57 am
Post by: thistleknot on January 12, 2013, 01:14:17 pm
Here's another hopefully simple suggestion (should be much easier to fix than the current optimization/sorting formulas discussion). The optimizer has an "exclude active military" option. How hard would it be to change that to (or add an additional) "exclude squad members" option to avoid having soldiers that just happen to not have active orders at the moment getting included for optimization? That wouldn't be ideal for those who tend to form civilian squads for the sake of uniforms, etc., but for those like me who tend to only use squads for military use, having to clean up a few soldiers every time you optimize takes a bit of extra time. The ability to just exclude them if they're in a squad would be nice to have.i concur whole heartedly
Post by: splinterz on January 12, 2013, 01:50:37 pm
Here's another hopefully simple suggestion (should be much easier to fix than the current optimization/sorting formulas discussion). The optimizer has an "exclude active military" option. How hard would it be to change that to (or add an additional) "exclude squad members" option to avoid having soldiers that just happen to not have active orders at the moment getting included for optimization? That wouldn't be ideal for those who tend to form civilian squads for the sake of uniforms, etc., but for those like me who tend to only use squads for military use, having to clean up a few soldiers every time you optimize takes a bit of extra time. The ability to just exclude them if they're in a squad would be nice to have.sure, i'll just add another option so you can exclude squads, active military or both.
Post by: Nkosi_SW on January 12, 2013, 03:14:50 pm
No problem mate. We all do this at one time or another: post in haste and repent at leisure. ;)QuoteMalak, I think you need to pull your head in a bit mate, as we say here in Australia. Coming in to a thread demanding that the volunteer developer change his code to what you want, questioning why nobody has noticed this obvious bug before (and therefore implying everyone else in the thread is an idiot), and generally using confrontational, aggressive and overbearing language is no way to win friends and influence people.I know I'm antagonising people and that this is a recurring pattern, no matter the social group. To date, I haven't found a solution to this problem. If I just wrote what I wanted to say, waited for two days, edited it and posted it then, this discussion might have looked differently, but what's done is done. There isn't even much room for "damage control".
Nice to see the conversation becoming more constructive. It seems like some real progress is being made now. I don't have anything much to add on the actual mechanics, as none of this affects me too much the way I use DT, but good luck to all in working through this.
Post by: thistleknot on January 12, 2013, 09:08:38 pm
I think I like your initial formula may work
at 50% learning rate, and 0 XP, it's -1.
Masterwork mod has 50% as it's lowest learning rate for a caste.
So... it should work I think.
If anyone is lower than that, then it's possible to get a number worse than -1, but I think we'll just cap it at that.
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examples
rates
1% 50% 100% 150% 200% 500%
0.01 0.5 1 1.5 2 5
Jobs Left/rate
29k 58k 29k 19.3k 1.45k 5.8k
%
-99 -1 0 0.33 0.5 0.8
Post by: CatkinsFTW on January 13, 2013, 01:41:46 pm
I made a simple change to add a hotkey for commit, Ctrl+T. This means that I can turn off the main tool bar and read dwarves with Ctrl+R and write/commit changes with Ctrl+T.
Here is the diff of the code if you want to include it.
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Post by: thistleknot on January 13, 2013, 08:28:55 pm
when I sort by name (I did a startdwarf of 2000 dwarfs, similar to dfusion simple embark), it resizes the column of names by the largest name that is drawn on screen, but doesn't if that name is offscreen.
like I said a minor annoyance.
it would be nice if the name column was just drawn to a certain # regardless of longest name shown on screen (this is a remnant concern I've had with rows being resized...
Post by: splinterz on January 14, 2013, 02:06:12 am
minor annoyance to reporti'm not sure it's a good idea to cut-off the name in the grid. the thing that annoys me is when the details pane resizes to long noble lists though. this isn't related in any way to the cells resizing on large fonts.
when I sort by name (I did a startdwarf of 2000 dwarfs, similar to dfusion simple embark), it resizes the column of names by the largest name that is drawn on screen, but doesn't if that name is offscreen.
like I said a minor annoyance.
it would be nice if the name column was just drawn to a certain # regardless of longest name shown on screen (this is a remnant concern I've had with rows being resized...
again, cells resizing to rectangles happens when you use a typeface that has a height larger than the cell width you've specified.
Post by: Maklak on January 14, 2013, 05:06:12 am
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the more and more i think about it. the more i dislike skill % being modified by skill rate. skill % is already modified by skill rate by attaining skill faster. to me it would b better to have a group by option for it, ot own category (such as attributes, skills, traits, preferences, skill rate), or an option to modify existing skill by skill rate (but not enabled by default)Current skill and the speed of gaining that skill are two different things. Both matter and should be separate categories.
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what could be done to make it it's own category is to read all rate modifiers for castes, multiply this rate modifier by the castes frequency then do something like set the lowest value to 0, highest to 100 Something similar is being done for attributesThat could work, but this method ignores how skill rates really work. If you had two castes: one with 80% and another with 130% learning rates, the relative difference is +0.625 / -0.385. With your method one would be be set to 0 and the other to 100, which looses information about their relative importance. For a more extreme example, consider two castes having 95 and 105 learning rates in some other skill. That's not that big of a difference, but they still get set to 0% and 100%.
One way to fix this method would be to set minimum to 0 and bottom-cap maximum to 100. That way with the first example, you'd get weights 61.5 and 100, while for the second example 90 and 100, respectively. If for all castes the highest learning rate of something was 10%, you'd get 10 or less for all. Come to think of it, setting the minimum to always 0 is more important with this method than what you do with maximum.
Even with all that, I still say my proposition is better.
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here's the code for attribute bins[...]I don't see why you'd need bins like this for learning rates. I don't care about probability distributions. For traits, attributes and learning rates, just knowing min and max for all castes and everyone in the fort would be enough. Yes, you can get a nicer curve with bins and set the average properly, but I don't need this kind of behaviour. Besides, it might look nice in the grid view, but for weighting attributes and traits into recommendations, just multiplying their values by weights should be better.
"Cumulative distribution function" is What you call "density". Probability density would be (temp.probability / ((temp.max - temp.min !=0) ? (temp.max - temp.min) : 1)), since DF assumes uniform distributions within bins.
The code for traits looks OK, but the code for attributes looks strange. Here is what I see in there:
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* Why do you need a zeroth bin? By your code a Dwarf has a 0.01 chance of getting an attribute below the minimum for that caste. Is this the case? Does this emulate attribute rust? What is it?
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* What is 0.16333333333? Did you mean (1.0 - 0.01 - 0.01) / 6.0 ? Just let the compiler calculate that for you.
* The fist bin generated by the loop has "density" 0. Did you mean 0.01? If so, delete the "if(i>0)".
* The max value for this bin should be one less than the min value for next bin.
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the traits and attributes use known knowledge to find their mean of 50. I did the research on the traits myself using 16,000 dwarf's, which provided me with about 46k data points to draw the statistics from.Ah, so you did the research. The 0.01 probabilities for being below or above the racial minimum and maximum were there, yes?
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The attributes were verified once it was found dfhack was exporting names of attributes in the wrong order, I started a big fight on the wiki saying stuff was inaccurate... the attributes follow a simple 1/6 breakdown per bin category (remember what I was saying about frequency bins, at least that's what I told a frequency bin was).I remember dfhack (the command to dump Dwarves to xml), Dwarf Therapist and Runesmith not quite agreeing on what attributes of my Dwarves were in 31.25. I didn't know which was correct, but I think I assumed dfhack to be wrong.
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we hope to incorporate better traits for castes by incorporating the castes min/max values that vanilla traits don't have. The formula is pretty basic, it's[...]Yeah, so long as Min and Max are correct, this will behave well. The Mean will be correct and everything above and below will scale linearly. That said, I'd be content with just:
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return 100 * (Value-Min) / (Max-Min);Quote
we hope to multiply these values by the castes frequency, so we can see where a dwarf fits within the whole fortress mode race.Yes, that's the logical thing to do once you went that far to get the average. I imagine you get your averages by taking the middles of all bins, multiplying that by their probability, then dividing that by the number of bins (or rather 6/8 the number of bins).
But once again, I'd be pretty content with just linear scaling between absolute minimum and maximum for all castes and current citizens or displaying rounded values when I set the grid to display numbers.
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I finally get what your formula is doingYes, I omitted the 60 XP per job (or 120 per three mugs or whatever you get per weapon swing), but those are constants for any given skill (or reaction, in case of mugs) and therefore don't matter for comparison. All skill learning rates do is alter the number of XP gained. My formula is just an approximation, since I imagine XP is integer, while I use doubles. My formula is an answer to a question "How many jobs will it take this dwarf to max out his skill?" (except it ignores the 60 XP per job). It is also a good reason to ignore probability distribution for learning rates. You simply don't need this information to decide who is better for a job.
double jobs_left = (29000 - XP) / rate; // Ignore division by 60.
means treat each job * rate as the # of exp gained.
Interesting concept.
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Here's another hopefully simple suggestion (should be much easier to fix than the current optimization/sorting formulas discussion). The optimizer has an "exclude active military" option. How hard would it be to change that to (or add an additional) "exclude squad members" option to avoid having soldiers that just happen to not have active orders at the moment getting included for optimization?When I look for dwarves to assign them civilian labours, a workaround I use is to sort by military status, but I don't use the "train all the time" schedule, so the soldiers get off-duty and get mixed up with civilians. It would be useful to have an option to treat everyone having a squad as military, regardless of schedules, or if their alert is set to active/training.
I just use the grid view to do this, I didn't even know there was a job optimizer other than all the suggestions for roles and sorting by them.
I propose "soft capping" learning rates by 1/x function, not just cutting them off at 50%. That way for things like 0-10% learning rates you get values close to -2 (and you normally really don't want a dwarf with learning rate below 50 to perform a job) and for 50 and above you get a nice linear progression. While Masterwork never goes below 50%, I've seen people "disabling" skills in their mods by setting their rates to 0 or 10 or something like that, therefore for generality you want to take that possibility it into account. To patch this in replace with:
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if(aspect_value < -1.0)
aspect_value = -1.0;Code: [Select]
if(aspect_value < -1.0)
aspect_value = -2.0 - 1.0/aspect_value;Looking at the code some more:
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skill_rate_value = (skill_rate_value < 100) ? 100: skill_rate_value;Wait, what? You're capping skill rate at 100%?! It should be capped at 1% and only to avoid division by 0! Code: [Select]
if(a->is_neg)
aspect_value = 1-aspect_value;This looks suspicious, but I have no idea what it is. Ah, so skill ratios are factored in last... Hm, looking at this, if skill ratios are very low, then the Recomendation can go below 0%. If this is a desired behaviour is up for debate.
Well, since I can't fight job recommendations, I might as well try to help you improving them. I believe the choice of the right Dwarf for the job (or the military) comes down to answering and prioritising these fundamental questions:
1) "Which one of you has the highest skill now?"
2) "Which one of you has the best attributes and traits and likes for the job?" OR "Which one of you will make the most quality items when you max out your skill?"
3) "Which one of you can get to legendary+5 with the fewest number of jobs, thus wasting the least materials?"
4) "Which one of you is the fastest?"
Are there any more fundamental questions?
I'll give you my perspective on them:
1) Old DT used to sort by this exclusively. You already have this included, but I'd like to add a twist. I was wrong when I wanted this to be sorted by XP, because that would work for sorting by skills alone, but not when this has to be aggregated with other criteria. I have another proposal. Instead of just taking integer skill levels into consideration, scale them linearly to next level according to XP. Just have an array with it, except set 0 as the minimum for Dabbling. http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Experience Instead of using just skill levels, scale them linearly according to XP. You might do something more sophisticated here, like fit a spline, but the old good linear interpolation is simple and good enough. An examples:
A Proficient (lvl5) Dwarf having 3600 XP, has effective lvl 5.1.
A Proficient (lvl5) Dwarf having 4000 XP, has effective lvl 5.5.
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double eff_skill_level = dwarf.getSkill(skill_no);
if (eff_skill_level < 20.0) // Don't care anymore for Legendary +5
{ double skill_xp = dwarf.getSkillXP(skill_no); // double is important. You want floating point arithmethic for this.
double min_XP = XP_per_level[(int) eff_skill_level]; // static_cast<int>(eff_skill_level) if the compiler screams.
double max_XP = XP_per_level[1 + (int) eff_skill_level];
eff_skill_level += skill_xp / (max_XP - min_XP);
}
// Scale eff_skill_level from <0, 20> to whatever you need.
// Take it into account for recommendations, sorting or whatever.
If you want to make skill levels more apart, choose and alpha from <0.5, 1> and use this instead: Code: [Select]
eff_skill_level += alpha * skill_xp / (max_XP - min_XP);2) This is actually a series of questions about attributes and traits and likes. I have very little clue to how this works, you are away ahead of me and so I don't have anything to contribute. In DT you can already have a grid view with attributes and see personality traits. There is even a normally hidden window where preferences can be seen and filtered by.
3) For Vanilla this is the same as 1, really. For mods with learning rates, this is a separate category, because a dwarf with 29000/2 XP and 50% learning rate is obviously better than one with 0 XP and 100% learning rate; even though they will both reach Legendary+5 after the same number of jobs, the first one will be better up to that point and work faster, while creating higher quality items. We have recently discussed this point.
4) Speed affects everything: Walking to the workshop, gathering materials and completing the job itself. There should be some way to get it from the game and I wouldn't mind a column in the grid view with speed. The speed that corresponds to "wait 9 frames" should be considered average. I'd scale the rest with 1/x function before using it for your aggregated goal function, but I would need some additional data to submit a proposal. A downside of using speed from the game might be that a dwarf's speed drops drastically when he is carrying a heavy cage or bin or something.
Right, so unless someone wants to discuss any of this, that's it from me for now.
Post by: Meph on January 14, 2013, 05:16:25 am
Thistleknot, it takes most of my focus, concentration and linguistic ability for me to understand you, but I'll try to answer nonetheless.It's good that I'm not the only one.
Post by: splinterz on January 14, 2013, 06:53:15 am
i also agree that applying this method to anything other than traits and attributes probably won't work. skill rates may need to be factored in separately rather than attempting to roll them into the skill level. i honestly hacked that in pretty quickly to get the release out with the bug fixes, but in my brief tests, i was happy with applying the skill rate as a bonus/penalty to the current skill's level.
i did some testing with the sorting on skills/labors with one of the formulas you supplied in particular: [50.0f * (1.0f - (((29000-current skill xp)/skill rate)/290.0f))]. now for me, this isn't very intuitive. i had a level 8.3 with 50% learn rate ranked below ~60 dwarves with ~0xp and 100% learn rate. personally it seems like it punishes skill rates below normal far too much. now if i compare with the current weighted method, sorry, current incredibly flawed incorrect method, the same dwarf gets ranked near the top (perhaps too near) but is still outranked by those with over 100% learn rate and a few levels less xp.
so thinking about this more, there's still two parts to the skill rates: the column sorting method, and how to add it into the roles. for the sorting, i'm trying to get something setup so you could right click on a column header, and choose the sorting method, either for all columns of that type, or that particular column. for example:
- total skill xp
- skill level (should be to a decimal as you suggested)
- skill rate
- role ranking
for roles, well that's another issue, and i'm not completely decided on what to do there. your comment about skill ratings dropping below 0, i assume is also related to your function returning negative values. this is why it was mentioned that we prefer values are all normalized to an equivalent scale of 0-1.
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1) "Which one of you has the highest skill now?"1) the role calcs don't use the integer level, they already use the actual current xp.
2) "Which one of you has the best attributes and traits and likes for the job?" OR "Which one of you will make the most quality items when you max out your skill?"
3) "Which one of you can get to legendary+5 with the fewest number of jobs, thus wasting the least materials?"
4) "Which one of you is the fastest?"
2) as you said, the gridview can handle this somewhat
3) it may be best to consider the skill rate as a separate section of the roles, i'm not sure
4) getting the base speed is trivial, however the current speed is based on many factors: (environment, mood, race, caste, exhaustion, hunger, strength, agility, etc) if i add this i'll probably just show the base (race/caste) + attribute modifications and note that it's the uninfluenced speed or something
yes this is normal :DThistleknot, it takes most of my focus, concentration and linguistic ability for me to understand you, but I'll try to answer nonetheless.It's good that I'm not the only one.
Post by: Maklak on January 14, 2013, 08:05:19 am
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i did some testing with the sorting on skills/labors with one of the formulas you supplied in particular: [50.0f * (1.0f - (((29000-current skill xp)/skill rate)/290.0f))]. now for me, this isn't very intuitive. i had a level 8.3 with 50% learn rate ranked below ~60 dwarves with ~0xp and 100% learn rate. personally it seems like it punishes skill rates below normal far too much. now if i compare with the current weighted method, sorry, current incredibly flawed incorrect method, the same dwarf gets ranked near the top (perhaps too near) but is still outranked by those with over 100% learn rate and a few levels less xp.Level 8.3 with 50% learn rate will max out his skill slower, but will continue to be better most of the way there. If you use your weighted arithmetic means for some weights this formula should still be OK, although a more intuitive formula for skill rates would have to sort-of simulate getting to Legendary +5 and give points for how high the skill is along the way... or maybe just pretend performing 500 jobs at (60.0 / 100.0) * skill rate and add skill levels along the way, then divide them by 500. (with some optimisations to substitute multiplication for addition where applicable). The basic formula for current skill and skill rates would therefore be:
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double sr_factor = 0;
int xp = dwarf.get_xp_per_skill(skill);
for (int i=0; i<500; i++)
{ sr_factor += get_skill_level_from_XP(xp);
xp += 60 * skill_rate;
}
sr_factor /= 500.0;You get a number in <0, 20> This is the simple and stupid version, without speed optimisations.Quote
so thinking about this more, there's still two parts to the skill rates: the column sorting method, and how to add it into the roles. for the sorting, i'm trying to get something setup so you could right click on a column header, and choose the sorting method, either for all columns of that type, or that particular column. for example:I'm guessing most people would want to apply the same method to all columns, so a radio button in the options would work better. Or maybe even your arithmetic mean with setting the weights, like it does now. I did some thinking on this and while there are other methods of aggregating goal functions, and some might be better, none is as intuitive as weighted arithmetic mean. It is for this reason that I changed my mind about it being "flawed and incorrect beyond redemption".
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for roles, well that's another issue, and i'm not completely decided on what to do there. your comment about skill ratings dropping below 0, i assume is also related to your function returning negative values. this is why it was mentioned that we prefer values are all normalized to an equivalent scale of 0-1.The "simulation" method above will always return values >=0. It may even replace both a goal function for skill rates and goal function for current skill levels as a suitable alternative for both.
Thistleknot couldn't quite make up his mind where he wanted me to scale those values, which caused some confusion. This is an example mapping into <0,1>. It even punishes low learning rates somewhat less.
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int XP = (current_XP > 29000) ? 29000 : current_XP;
int rate = (skill_rate < 1)? 1: skill_rate; // 0 or 1 doesn't really matter.
double jobs_left = (29000.0 - XP) / rate; // Ignore division by 60.
double normalised_XP = 0.5 * (1.0 - jobs_left/290.0); // Scaled to <-49.5, 0.5>
if (normalised_XP >= 0)
normalised_XP += 0.5; // Values <0, 0.5> reserved for those suitable for a task.
else
normalised_XP = -0.5 / (normalised_XP - 1.0);Quote
2) as you said, the gridview can handle this somewhat.For better or worse, it also makes me prioritising attributes in my head rather than present me with an aggregating function. But I only ever care about attributes for my military and even that takes the form of "no penalties and preferably good recuperation and disease resistance".
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4) getting the base speed is trivial, however the current speed is based on many factors: (environment, mood, race, caste, exhaustion, hunger, strength, agility, etc) if i add this i'll probably just show the base (race/caste) + attribute modifications and note that it's the uninfluenced speed or something.You could get some error reports about the speed being incorrect, but if you can get it or dig up the formulas, it would be useful. If possible, I'd like this to factor in the carried equipment.
Post by: splinterz on January 14, 2013, 09:03:55 am
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I'm guessing most people would want to apply the same method to all columns, so a radio button in the options would work betteri think it may be useful to change up the sorting on the fly, without having to go into the options. this would also be easier to add additional sort values in the future, potentially without having to modify the options. i'll wait and see if anyone else weighs in.
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For better or worse, it also makes me prioritising attributes in my head rather than present me with an aggregating function. But I only ever care about attributes for my military and even that takes the form of "no penalties and preferably good recuperation and disease resistance".why doesn't a custom role column work for this?
Post by: thistleknot on January 14, 2013, 09:38:11 am
as to assigning rate its own category (i.e. attribute, skill xp, trait, preferences, skill rate)
u touched on minor rate differences having large affects (i.e. 80% vs 90%). i wouldnt think this would b an issue since its merely a min/max approach (which you recommended for attributes). however. i was thinking of using a skill rate category that instead shows how many jobs is needed until legendary (similar to your original formula).
The reason I don't think a min/max approach would matter, is because the max represents the highest skill learner in the game... which uni formally applies throughout the game. A different mod, would have a different feel for this value, but it would still mean the fastest learner.
alternatively... according to splinterz, max skill rate possible is 500%. maybe that can b the defacto 100%
also, we used to use min/max for attributes... that was my original idea... but we changed it since the wiki had good information on bin's... and since the bins are not symmetrical, it makes more sense to use them.
the 0-1% and 99-100% represents dwarf's who have fallen below minimum, or gained above maximum attribute value (as defined in bin's). This never happens on embark, it only happens through the life of the dwarf, and it is a good approximation of the # of current dwarf's at this level (there is no real way to calculate the possible gain a dwarf can get and throw it into this mix, so if you see a dwarf at 99.1%, it means he's above the bin maximum). The wiki does state a dwarf can gain half his starting value (I believe it's half), but we just opted for this method instead, and it works.
as to the 16.333, I originally had it 98/6, but SOMEBODY changed it, supposedly makes for faster code.
I wasn't showing you the bins for learning rate purposes... I was just showing you the research we've put into coding up each different category.
Maklak:
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[spoiler]int XP = (current_XP > 29000) ? 29000 : current_XP;
int rate = (skill_rate < 1)? 1: skill_rate; // 0 or 1 doesn't really matter.
double jobs_left = (29000.0 - XP) / rate; // Ignore division by 60.
double normalised_XP = 0.5 * (1.0 - jobs_left/290.0); // Scaled to <-49.5, 0.5>
if (normalised_XP >= 0)
normalised_XP += 0.5; // Values <0, 0.5> reserved for those suitable for a task.
else
normalised_XP = -0.5 / (normalised_XP - 1.0);[/spoiler]I came up with this on my own, I just did a /2 at the end, and then added .5
Post by: Maklak on January 14, 2013, 12:32:28 pm
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why doesn't a custom role column work for this?I've never used custom roles before. I don't even know what those are. I'm mostly fine doing this on my own anyway.
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u touched on minor rate differences having large affects (i.e. 80% vs 90%). i wouldnt think this would b an issue since its merely a min/max approach (which you recommended for attributes). however. i was thinking of using a skill rate category that instead shows how many jobs is needed until legendary (similar to your original formula).If you just add skill rates on their own to a weighted arithmethic average, then yes, both methods are equivalent, but for <0, 100> you would want smaller weights. In any case I disagree with this approach. Time and time again I explained that skill learning rate only means something when you know the skill level. For a Legendary +5, skill rate 30% or 300% is irrelevant, but close to 0 XP those are very different. Therefore any method for taking skill rates into account must take skill levels into consideration as well and not just scale skill rates to some interval and add that with a weight to the goal function.
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The reason I don't think a min/max approach would matter, is because the max represents the highest skill learner in the game... which uni formally applies throughout the game. A different mod, would have a different feel for this value, but it would still mean the fastest learner.Splinterz just bashed me for this with his example of a Dwarf with Level 8.3 with 50% learn rate and I must agree with him. The "simulation" method is the best I can think of, when it comes to skill level and it's learning rate. My formulas aggregated with current skill level are a distant second.
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also, we used to use min/max for attributes... that was my original idea... but we changed it since the wiki had good information on bin's... and since the bins are not symmetrical, it makes more sense to use them.The way I see it, you did something stupid in a smart way. I'll try to explain the flaws of the current system from a user's standpoint.
1) The most recent DT only uses a few discrete values to represent attributes. There should be more of them.
2) Dwarves are scaled according to their castes, so you can't compare their attributes by just glancing at the grid. (Well, you can in vanilla, but not in caste-heavy mods.)
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the 0-1% and 99-100% represents dwarf's who have fallen below minimum, or gained above maximum attribute value (as defined in bin's).Except military dwarves will usually go above their maximum and there are more than 1% of them.
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The wiki does state a dwarf can gain half his starting value (I believe it's half), but we just opted for this method instead, and it works.I think it says that for adventurer mode. I've never seen a military dwarf cap agility in fortress mode, but I wasn't looking very closely. I would prefer to see the whole range of attributes, but capping them at max and min for all castes works too.
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as to the 16.333, I originally had it 98/6, but SOMEBODY changed it, supposedly makes for faster code.0.98/6.0 :D Compilers calculate constants and macros made of constants during compilation, so the speed is the same. Even if it wasn't, this is not a place where you need all the speed you can get, like the inside of a loop inside a loop. In most cases it is better to make code human-readable rather than micro-optimise it.
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I wasn't showing you the bins for learning rate purposes... I was just showing you the research we've put into coding up each different category.Well, there is no talking you out of this now, so have fun. I just want to add a few things:
Just remember to handle things like [1000:1000:1000:1000:1000:1000:1000] or [3000:3000:4000:5000:5000:5000:5000] and other edge cases gracefully.
My first method for attributes would be to just display real values, where 0 is min and 5000 is max. The problem here is that with the square / diamond method pretty much everyone would have a red square, so OK, this wouldn't work so good and you want the graphical and numerical representations to be consistent.
My second approach would be to find:
* Min of attribute for { all caste minimums, regardless of frequency; all current citizens }.
* Max of attribute for { all caste maximums, regardless of frequency; all current citizens }.
If Min and Max are very close, scale them further away from their mean. Say at least 300 points apart.
This would work better, except for two problems:
1) As military skills up agility, the others appear to be regressing in it.
2) 0 is not the average. This could be fixed by finding the average, like you do, and scaling everything above and below linearly. Personally I'd settle for this.
Whatever you do with attributes, just keep these things in mind:
* The more values we get, the easier it is to compare dwarves at a glance. To keep attributes consistent with skills, you could use -20 to -1 (red), 0 (empty), 1 to 20 (blue). 41 different values would be enough for clarity.
* If dwarf A has a higher attribute than dwarf B, the value displayed in grid view for A should be at least as much as B, so I can see the difference at a glance. Don't just scale them inside their own castes.
* Average for entire population / all castes being displayed as 0 with red below and blue above has a lot of appeal... Though I think you want the median, not average for this.
As long as whatever method you use satisfies the first two guidelines, I should be happy with it.
Post by: thistleknot on January 14, 2013, 12:43:44 pm
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My second approach would be to find:
* Min of attribute for { all caste minimums, regardless of frequency; all current citizens }.
* Max of attribute for { all caste maximums, regardless of frequency; all current citizens }.
If Min and Max are very close, scale them further away from their mean. Say at least 300 points apart.
This would work better, except for two problems:
1) As military skills up agility, the others appear to be regressing in it.
2) 0 is not the average. This could be fixed by finding the average, like you do, and scaling everything above and below linearly. Personally I'd settle for this.
my initial idea was to use 10% below lowest bin, and 10% above highest bin for the final %
but we opted for the code the way it is now.
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If dwarf A has a higher attribute than dwarf B, the value displayed in grid view for A should be at least as much as B, so I can see the difference at a glance. Don't just scale them inside their own castes.
this is now fixed, splinterz shared an alpha w me.
Post by: splinterz on January 14, 2013, 02:18:36 pm
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Splinterz just bashed me for this with his example of a Dwarf with Level 8.3 with 50% learn rate and I must agree with him. The "simulation" method is the best I can think of, when it comes to skill level and it's learning rate. My formulas aggregated with current skill level are a distant second.Code: [Select]double sr_factor = 0;
int xp = dwarf.get_xp_per_skill(skill);
for (int i=0; i<500; i++)
{ sr_factor += get_skill_level_from_XP(xp);
xp += 60 * skill_rate;
}
sr_factor /= 500.0;
i'd really like to try implementing this, but 60xp isn't a constant rate per job. it's different depending on the skill, and even varied for any military skill experience (training vs actual combat). (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Experience)
Post by: Maklak on January 14, 2013, 02:52:12 pm
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i'd really like to try implementing this, but 60xp isn't a constant rate per job. it's different depending on the skill, and even varied for any military skill experience (training vs actual combat).You're right, of course, it was too good to be true and I got too fixated on crafting. I made several beds and got 60 XP for each (so the wiki must be incorrect with 30 XP for some reason), so I guess 60 XP should be correct for most crafting skills and for things like smoothing, farming, etc, there are just different values, maybe even 10 XP per job, like the wiki says. For social skills this is probably different and military skills are notorious for erratic learning. There are different values for combat, sparring, different attacks with the same weapon, demonstration XP scales with several skills, etc.
Since it would be overly complex to have different methods of taking learning rates into account, just try adding the formula that spits out <0, 1> along with what you have for current skill level to your weighted average and see what happens. For some combination of weights level 8.3 with 50% learn rate should come ahead of 0 skill with 100%, which is what you want. My guess is this should happen around 75% skill formula, 25% rate formula.
While I would like the part based on learning rates to behave as nicely as possible, truth be told, a lot of time I'm just looking at lots of dwarves with 0 skill to choose whomever seems like a good replacement for my recently deceased worker. For this, even most Thistleknot's proposals (such as about scaling learning rates to <0, 1>, regardless of skill) would be enough. They just don't have as nice properties for skill levels in-between 0 and 20, so this is what should be a true test for learning rates formulas.
Post by: thistleknot on January 14, 2013, 06:37:41 pm
nevermind, I just noticed the skill level variable in there.
I need to read this more
Well I tried a few things (after giving up on the above, here's the code I was using to test it, I'm not sure what numbers I'm supposed to be getting.
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I tried the
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* straight xp / 29000
as well as
averaging it with straight xp /29000
for 18000 xp out of 29000:
0.6206896552
I got these %'s
Rate Series
50, 100, 150, 200, 500
Initial formula (interesting to note the 1st value matches my exp value)
0.6206896552 0.8103448276 0.8735632184 0.9051724138 0.9620689655
Factored:
0.385255648 0.5029726516 0.5422116528 0.5618311534 0.5971462545
Averaged:
0.6206896552 0.7155172414 0.7471264368 0.7629310345 0.7913793103
but this still doesn't solve the issue with learning rates below 50%.
Post by: Maklak on January 15, 2013, 02:00:39 am
While Splinterz rejected the simulation approach on the grounds that it cannot be done for military skills (which is true), if you implemented it in a short program, you might as well get the proper numbers out of it. You want to print the "sr_factor", which is the average skill level over 500 jobs. This is obviously higher for better skill rates and skill levels. With this method "sr_factor" would be a good benchmark for both.
In a production code, you'd want to replace as many additions as you can with multiplications, but for testing, simplicity of a loop is OK.
I'd also use an array with XP levels and a function searching over them with bisection method, rather than hard-code lots of ifs into a function. That way it is easier to answer other questions, such as "How much XP till next level" by re-using the array.
Instead of using integer values for levels, it would also be OK to use interpolated ones based on XP, like I've shown in one of my earlier posts. The only difference is that the "sr_factor" would be slightly higher.
In your example using my formula the "Initial formula" looks good and this is what you want. I don't even know where "Factored" and "Averaged" come from.
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but this still doesn't solve the issue with learning rates below 50%.It does. You just neglected to test it for skill rates such as 35% or 20%. Even for the 50% rate you chose 18000 XP, which is closer to Legendary+5 than to Dabbling, so of course the formula gave you something above 0.5.
So what exactly makes you think that this is wrong?
Oh, and as for displaying skill rates, I recommend the following: If any skill rate is other than 100%, display it, even for dwarves with 0 experience in that skill. The 25% threshold in the big tooltip over a dwarf that recommends skills is good.
EDIT: After some thinking about it, I've come to the conclusion that the simulation method can still be used for military skills. Granted, it won't be using the exact number of jobs, but the slopes are the same and there will still be multiple (measuring pints? what word?) and the proportions between their number will be correct, which is what matters. With the simulation method for military skills the numbers will be distorted from what actually happens, but I believe they will still have enough value to be reliably used for comparison. I've come to this conclusions after staring at level(jobs, initial_lvl) graphs and thinking how to calculate integrals on them. Simulation method FTW! Try it.
Post by: thistleknot on January 15, 2013, 09:29:05 am
the factored average numbers were based on the second spoilered code in response to you stating this
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I'm working up the array with the interpolated values ;)
Post by: Maklak on January 15, 2013, 11:57:26 am
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const int max_xp = 29000;
const int xp_levels [] = {0, 500, 1100, 1800, 2600, 3500, 4500, 5600, 6800, 8100, 9500,
11000, 12600, 14300, 16100, 18000, 20000, 22100, 24300, 26600, 29000};
// xp(lvl) = 500*lvl + 100 * (lvl * (lvl -1)) / 2
// const int lev_size = sizeof(xp_levels) / sizeof(int); // 21 , unused
int get_level_from_xp(int xp) // Uses busection method. Assumes xp >= 0.
{ if (xp >= max_xp)
return 20;
int min = 0;
int max = 19;
int current = 10;
while (1)
{ if (xp < xp_levels[current])
{ max = current;
current = (min + max)/2;
} else if (xp > xp_levels[current+1])
{ min = current;
current = (min + max)/2;
} else
return current;
}
}
/* Simulation method for judging a dwarf's skill level and rate.
Inputs: dwarf's current xp and learning rate for a skill.
Output: rating based on simulating gaining experience in that skill.
*/
double simulate_skill_gain(int xp, int rate)
{ if (xp >= max_xp)
return 20;
if (rate == 0)
return get_level_from_xp(xp); // Obviously stays the same.
int sim_xp = max_xp; // 29k seems like a good value to me.
sim_xp = (sim_xp / 100.0) * rate; // This is how much XP will go towards skill learning.
int total_xp = sim_xp;
double ret = 0.0;
int curr_level = get_level_from_xp(xp);
int curr_xp = xp;
/* // Version of the while loop interpolating the level. It may be smoother.
while ((sim_xp > 0) && (curr_level < 20))
{ int xp_gap = xp_levels[curr_level+1] - curr_xp; // How much XP till mext level?
if (xp_gap > sim_xp)
xp_gap = sim_xp;
double low = (0.0 +curr_xp -xp_levels[curr_level]) / (xp_levels[curr_level+1] -xp_levels[curr_level]);
double high = (0.0 +curr_xp + xp_gap -xp_levels[curr_level]) / (xp_levels[curr_level+1] -xp_levels[curr_level]);
double avg_level = curr_level + (low + high) / 2.0; // Average scaled level for this iteration.
ret += xp_gap * avg_lvl;
curr_level++;
curr_xp = xp_levels[curr_level];
sim_xp -= xp_gap;
}
*/
// Alternate, simple version of the while loop, without the interpolation.
while ((sim_xp > 0) && (curr_level < 20))
{ int xp_gap = xp_levels[curr_level+1] - curr_xp; // How much XP till mext level?
if (xp_gap > sim_xp)
xp_gap = sim_xp;
ret += xp_gap * curr_level;
curr_level++;
curr_xp = xp_levels[curr_level];
sim_xp -= xp_gap;
}
if (sim_xp > 0)
ret += 20 * sim_xp;
ret /= total_xp;
return ret;
}
Post by: thistleknot on January 15, 2013, 06:44:19 pm
we shouldn't focus on raw 60 exp points, but some sort of curve that is adjusted from 1 to 100% at a low rate (i.e. exponential), and then jumps from 100% to 500% (at a higher rate), of course this has to be considered with the amount of experience a dwarf currently has in that skill... I'm not a math major, but I know an exponential fit based on rate would be the answer.
Update:
I think I'm wasting too much time on this and not playing...
anyways, here's my latest failed attempt on a program (maklak's simulated approach) I don't think best explains this problem, I still think an exponential approach is best, yet I have no idea how to implement it
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heres an idea
rate:
0 to 100% = 0 to 50% (2:1 ratio)
100% to 500% = 50% to 100% (5:1 ratio)
exp = xp / 29000
factored = rate * exp
update:
nm... bad idea. .5 x 100% xp = 50%
Post by: Maklak on January 16, 2013, 02:39:42 am
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lowerValue = exp [x-1];
upperValue = exp [x]-1;exp[ x ] is the threshold value and the lowest value for a level, not the highest value for a threshold level. Even so, I gave you a more elegant function to get_skill_level_from_XP(int xp) based on bisection. Didn't it work? Oh, and that array with xp levels should be outside of any function. Otherwise at least make it static.
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we shouldn't focus on raw 60 exp points, but some sort of curve that is adjusted from 1 to 100% at a low rate (i.e. exponential), and then jumps from 100% to 500% (at a higher rate), of course this has to be considered with the amount of experience a dwarf currently has in that skill... I'm not a math major, but I know an exponential fit based on rate would be the answer.No, I don't think exponential function is the answer here.
The rest of the simulation program you posted is based on assuming that you get 60 XP per job. A newer version I posted yesterday doesn't care about it. It just multiplies total XP by xp_rate (which may introduce errors due to rounding) and then pretends you get XP in chunks of 1. Therefore it should be quite accurate, regardless of XP per job. I estimated less than 5% error based on levelling up and less than 10% error based on rounding, assuming you normally get at least 10 XP per job.
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heres an ideaDammit, I told you several times already, why this is a bad idea and you're still fixated on it. You didn't even learn that you should operate on xp left to Legendary +5 as skill rate has no influence on the xp that's already there.
rate:
0 to 100% = 0 to 50% (2:1 ratio)
100% to 500% = 50% to 100% (5:1 ratio)
exp = xp / 29000
factored = rate * exp
update:
nm... bad idea. .5 x 100% xp = 50%
Your method of scaling 1-500 to 0-100 introduces an undesired property: slopes around 100% are different, so 80 skill rate is 40% and 120 skill rate is 55%. Now, 120/80 = 1.5, while 55/40 = 1.375. This is not exactly what you want here.
I've already given you a method to do this using 1/x. It is not perfect either, but at least it uses skill rates in tandem with skill level, as they should be.
Post by: thistleknot on January 16, 2013, 06:48:22 am
and yes i did learn to use distance from legendary.
if u had read my earlier post correctly i was messing w trying to use this as a weight against raw exp/29k which i still think is a good idea (which i took queue from you) but like i said i havent tried ur latest invention.
to be honest. it sounds like youve hit on something i was thinking/ said earlier. 60 xp shouldnt matter. i had no idea how to implement it so good on you.
i just realised your original formula
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3945110#msg3945110
if i add 99 and then divide by 100
results in a .01 to 1 scale for rates of 1 to 500
i dont know if this will resolve much but it could be used as a weight.
just fyi.
ill mess w ur latest formula laters
Post by: Maklak on January 16, 2013, 07:50:07 am
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maklak: no need to get testy. im just trying sh** out (u have a bad habit of commenting negative things even when i posted/realized it didnt work). i have a learning process here. i havent tried ur latest formula yet.Well, I suppose maybe I owe you an apology.
For both:
a) Skill level
b) Skill rate, factoring in skill level
You want for the current system with weighted arithmetic means:
1) a value, mapped to <0, 1> and bigger means better.
2) a weight, chosen arbitrarily, but adjustable by the user.
For skill level, I think Splinterz already mentioned having a value that works. I submitted a sensible proposal, where you sort by interpolated skill levels, which may even be how it currently works.
For Skill Rates, I submitted the generalised simulation approach and a method for using 1/x for unfavourable rates.
Weights for aggregating those values into your goal function are something entirely different.
Maybe I should just write a program myself, that takes a file with lines "xp rate\n" as input and prints values for different forumlas in the output. I'm pretty sure I gad a working gcc on this computer. Maybe even one of them fancy text editors that can highlight syntax.
EDIT: Here is my program with these formulas. sim1 (without slopes) seems to be the most sensible: http://pastebin.com/XAypc3Ka
It can accept a file with "xp rate\n" in each line and produce a CSV that you can use for Libre Office Calc or whatever. I didn't bother with all the fancy things, like options and reading / writing to / from a file, so you have to use it like this: "$ rates <input.txt >output.txt". It ends when a line contains anything but two integers. I didn't even add any safeguards against negative numbers. It is easily extensible with other formulas. Just add more functions.
Post by: splinterz on January 16, 2013, 09:30:52 am
so the plan is to fix the sorting by separating the skill rates from the skill level. the distinct column sorting methods would be as previously described: total experience, skill rate and whatever else. i don't know if i'll include an option to sort based on a merge of skill rate and experience as it's not entirely intuitive what's happening.
for the role calculations, i see less of an issue combining the skill rate and the skill experience as the roles are already something of a black box. if the results of the simulated method look good, then i'll use it. i haven't tested it yet, but my intent is to implement the simulated rating in place of the current skill rate/level weight system.
the only reason i see to use both a current xp/total xp rating and a merged xp/skill rate rating with weights applied would be to allow the user to adjust, or flat out remove the skill rate addition to the skill rating for the role. since the skill rate has a direct and significant impact on the experience gained and resulting level, i'm not sure this should even be optional.
those are my current thoughts and intended direction, if this doesn't seem sound or i'm misunderstanding anything please let me know.
Post by: Maklak on January 16, 2013, 10:09:55 am
If I get the options to sort a column by either skill level or skill rate, well, I'll sort by skill rate (which should be visible in tooltips even for 0 xp), then look at the top and see, if there's anyone with good skill level. There should be few enough for me to decide if I prefer lvl 5, 80% or lvl 0 120%, even without any formula that combines them (but it would be more handy for skill rates than just rates).
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the only reason i see to use both a current xp/total xp rating and a merged xp/skill rate rating with weights applied would be to allow the user to adjust, or flat out remove the skill rate addition to the skill rating for the role. since the skill rate has a direct and significant impact on the experience gained and resulting level, i'm not sure this should even be optional.That was the idea to combat your lvl 8.1 50% rave vs lvl 0 100% rate problem. You can have skill level formula and skill level plus skill rate formula and weight them. With the simulation approach, you could just lower the number of earned XP. Values within <5000, 30000> seem sensible. For lower ones higher skills would win. For higher ones it could go both ways.
Oh and of course anything related to skill rates should only be visible / usable if any rate for any skill is not 100. That would disable it for vanilla and enable it for caste-heavy mods, which may be what you want to avoid screen clutter. The downside is confusing users who use a mod for the first time.
Post by: thistleknot on January 16, 2013, 10:12:20 am
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the only reason i see to use both a current xp/total xp rating and a merged xp/skill rate rating with weights applied would be to allow the user to adjust, or flat out remove the skill rate addition to the skill rating for the role. since the skill rate has a direct and significant impact on the experience gained and resulting level, i'm not sure this should even be optional.
well that was my big beef, but if the #'s aren't too ridiculous, it's not a big deal. I just think that there should be a way for dwarf's who have a significantly higher skill, but marginally lower rate, will be ranked higher, if this is done correctly, then great!
Post by: thistleknot on January 16, 2013, 04:27:43 pm
I tried at the console (win32):
$ rates input.txt output.txt
rates input.txt output.txt
rate input.txt output.txt
I tried nameofexe.exe input.txt output.txt
input.txt file is
#, #
#, #
#, #
also tried
# #
# #
# #
anything I'm missing?
thanks splinterz
I now figured out rates was the name of your app, not a function call of your program
rates <input.txt >output.txt
worked with no comma's
thanks
Post by: thistleknot on January 16, 2013, 06:03:55 pm
I updated the numbers (because I noticed a pattern...) originally, had lower levels...
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here's a chart of columns 5-6 (the default output)
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It appears that the closer one gets to higher levels, the less the rate counts. Which I guess is good. However, rate pretty much dominates lower levels...
Idea #1:
I also did something that maklak would hate. I wanted to see what would happen if I used these %'s as a basis for factoring a standard % against, respective columns are the last 3.
See chart
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Not really what I was expecting... Not dynamic enough (my modification). I think the formula requires more than a simple a * b to do what I was hoping for...
Idea #2:
However, I found what I was hoping for, by averaging this factor with Maklak's original numbers.
Check it out.
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1-(((max xp - current xp)/rate)/290)
I'm hoping to combine it with my idea of scaling 1 to 100 from 0 to 50%, and from 100 to 500 using 50% to 100%...
we'll see if I can get it done before maklak can comment on it.
Post by: splinterz on January 17, 2013, 02:14:50 am
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That was the idea to combat your lvl 8.1 50% rave vs lvl 0 100% rate problem. You can have skill level formula and skill level plus skill rate formula and weight them. With the simulation approach, you could just lower the number of earned XP. Values within <5000, 30000> seem sensible. For lower ones higher skills would win. For higher ones it could go both ways.right, i see exactly what you mean after looking at a few of the outputs from the little simulator program. i also agree that sim1 is looking pretty good!
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Oh and of course anything related to skill rates should only be visible / usable if any rate for any skill is not 100. That would disable it for vanilla and enable it for caste-heavy mods, which may be what you want to avoid screen clutter.this is actually already done in the last version. it does a check for any significant (>=25%) experience bonuses in the castes and if none are found (vanilla) it hides all skill rate displays and doesn't bother using them in the role calculations. i'll probably adjust that 25% figure or improve the check.
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It appears that the closer one gets to higher levels, the less the rate counts. Which I guess is good. However, rate pretty much dominates lower levels...seems the whole purpose of this discussion was to have a model where learning rate was worth less the closer to the legendary +5 experience cap a dwarf is... anyway it seems to me the rest of this averaging with 'regular' (which appears to be current/total xp) is exactly what was meant with combining an experience rating with a simulated rating, so i guess this is proof of concept? again this could be expanded upon to allow a user defined weight or ratio to value the 'regular' vs simulated ratings. that might just be overkill though, i'm not sure it needs to be that flexible.
Post by: Maklak on January 17, 2013, 02:52:35 am
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seems the whole purpose of this discussion was to have a model where learning rate was worth less the closer to the legendary +5 experience cap a dwarf is... anyway it seems to me the rest of this averaging with 'regular' (which appears to be current/total xp) is exactly what was meant with combining an experience rating with a simulated rating, so i guess this is proof of concept? again this could be expanded upon to allow a user defined weight or ratio to value the 'regular' vs simulated ratings. that might just be overkill though, i'm not sure it needs to be that flexible.
Yes, except for the current skill level I'd use interpolated levels, like 8.1, not however much XP that is. In theory if that was the only criteria the order would be the same, but when you're aggregating with other things, it is the level that matters, not XP. If you sort by XP, then adding 2k at low level may mean 2 or 3 level ups, while at Legendary it may be one. This is an undesired property. Skill level and not XP directly is what decides the quality of items, so skill level is what should be factored in.
Yes, I eventually settled for one formula based on interpolated skill level and one formula based on current xp and skill rate (where skill rate matters less and less the higher the xp), both aggregated into the goal function.
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I also did something that maklak would hate. I wanted to see what would happen if I used these %'s as a basis for factoring a standard % against, respective columns are the last 3.Good, now you understand why I was so against it. I foresaw it wouldn't work.
Not really what I was expecting... Not dynamic enough (my modification). I think the formula requires more than a simple a * b to do what I was hoping for...
The sim1 formula takes some number of XP, which can be lower than 29000 to get more varied results (see what happens for 5000, 10000, 15000 and 20000, you just need to change "int sim_xp = max_xp;" to whatever you want), multiplies that with the skill rate, then simulates getting that many xp in very small chunks. It calculates the average level by multiplying current level by the amount of xp needed for the next one, adds those up and divides them by total gained XP. Then it normalises that to <0, 1>. This may be the most sensible approach, but the problem of how much XP to earn remains. 29000 is a good value, but it may not be the best value and something less may be better.
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I'm hoping to combine it with my idea of scaling 1 to 100 from 0 to 50%, and from 100 to 500 using 50% to 100%...
we'll see if I can get it done before maklak can comment on it.
I've already commented on it. Anyway, now you can have fun and throw whatever formulas you can think of at the problem and see results, but I very much doubt you'll outperform sim1. I suggest that you make a version of sim1 that accepts sim_xp as the third parameter and run a few tests on that.
It is surprising how coding three functions and a simple loop for main() was something of a breakthrough for this discussion. :D
Post by: thistleknot on January 17, 2013, 03:27:57 am
I believe your normalizing by dividing by 20 levels. nice.
I was working on finishing up your coded version originally, but eh, you got it done way faster than I could have.
I hope we can apply a way to merge current level/simulated level to help with ranking dwarfs.
I did a spreadsheet merge using interpolated levels vs xp/29k
I did two types of averaging
one involves factoring (interpolated % * interpolated level %) then adding this to interpolated % again, and dividing by 2.
the second was merely a combination of (interpolated level % + interpolated level %) / 2
updated:
included maklak's interpolated values (I might update his program to include these averages, so I don't have to create them in scalc)
made an error with my original interpolated levels based on interpolated level % (didn't do a (next level exp - current)/(current - lower level xp) ).
Updated again:
had the decimal of the level %'s inverted... doh! Fixed
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Hopefully final update:
Here's sim2 averaged with the interpolated level % (which is probably what should be used) compared to the interp distance from legendary averaged with interpolated level %
Note: no factoring graph is shown, as is shown above.
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Post by: Grumpy on January 17, 2013, 08:54:51 am
I've seen screenshots of them displayed in the grid for example. I did a search but it seemed to mostly turn up discussion about user-modified versions or advanced questions. I tried filtering based on attributes but it always results in 0 dwarves in the list.
Post by: thistleknot on January 17, 2013, 10:23:30 am
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New user trying to figure out a basic feature: How do I see attributes (not traits) in DT? I have DT 0.6.12 installed on a Mac using Dwarf Builder.
I've seen screenshots of them displayed in the grid for example. I did a search but it seemed to mostly turn up discussion about user-modified versions or advanced questions. I tried filtering based on attributes but it always results in 0 dwarves in the list.
attributes are only available in splinterz branch
http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/
be mindful, if you intend on using it with mods, don't throw the towell in when you see the castes being drawn funny, wait until next release, that'll be fixed (but if your playing vanilla, then disregard)
Post by: thistleknot on January 18, 2013, 09:43:51 am
I'm getting get_level to return a decimal version
http://pastebin.com/CdGs1gHn
Post by: Maklak on January 18, 2013, 01:32:29 pm
Once you have the get_double_level_from_xp function, it is a good idea to use it instead of XP for sorting by skill and suggested roles. Oh and of course comment out the couts when you know it works. In any case, it will help you to learn gdb (http://darkdust.net/files/GDB%20Cheat%20Sheet.pdf) rather than rely on gratuitous printing of variables.
I'm not sure what you want from me? To run the program and see how well it interpolates levels? It looks fine.
Post by: thistleknot on January 19, 2013, 11:31:32 am
I removed the -1,
I also think I noticed a bug in your code (let me know if I'm totally wrong about this)
I propose this fix (but still am not getting the same #'s as sim1 with what I believe should be the fix)
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for 10000 50
your avg_level is 10.666 when it should be 10.333
I made the same mistake when I was posting averaged results and using the spreadsheet to record the interpolated levels.
Then I inversed the levels decimal formula.
btw, I got my debugging working with codeblocks, so no more need for cout.
I'm gonna propose the fix inside the code, and see if it remedies it.
I noticed the issue when I converted your function to do interpolation automatically, but was not getting the EXACT same results as sim2
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and splinterz had this neat formula that worked, and mine was matching his
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Update:
wow, I love this part of the code
I was trying to figure this out the guessing way
if (normalised_XP >= 0)
normalised_XP += 0.5; // Values <0, 0.5> reserved for those suitable for a task.
else
normalised_XP = -0.5 / (normalised_XP - 1.0);
it's beautiful.
here's a pic of it in action
the numbers on the bottom represent #x500xp
updated to include up to 29k
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I just realized if xp >= 29k, it returns 1.
btw, your code (untouched) won't run 27000 or 28000 exp at 100% rate...
Here's some final results on the interp1 output
averaged (.5 skill .5 rate)
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.25 skill .75 rate
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.75 skill .25 rate
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Post by: Maklak on January 19, 2013, 06:26:08 pm
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for 10000 50Working as intended and there is nothing to fix. 10.3333 is the current interpolated level for 10000 XP, so low is equal to 0.3333. High is equal to 1, since we have enough sim_xp left to gain next level. I could just add 1 XP each time, then add the interpolated level for that, but I do the smart thing instead. Low, high and xp_gap form a trapezoid with two right angles and I calculate it's surface area. The "slope" of interpolated level stays the same until a level up. Just think of it as changing lots of additions into a multiplication by "average level" from 10000 to 11000 XP, which is 10.66666 for 10500 XP.
your avg_level is 10.666 when it should be 10.333
Actually sim1 makes more sense exactly because it always uses the current level without any interpolation. For any given level the quality and speed will be the same, no matter how close you are to the next level. I made sim2 first, then reconsidered, but left it in for comparison.
After you changed the formula for sim1, it uses the interpolated level for the current XP, then keeps on using non-interpolated level, as if it couldn't make up it's mind. Of course after your modification it does a different thing than both sim1 and sim2, so the numbers will be different. I'd not use your changes for production code, but by all means, play around with it, see what it does and ask me questions. It would be even better if you understood what these things are supposed to do, not treat them as black boxes with parameters. Try drawing sim1 and sim2 on a piece of paper. They divide XP from here to 29000 into trapezoids by level (or rectangles in case of sim1), then calculate the surface area of that (which is what happens when you compute and integral), then add a rectangle for lvl 20 if it it reached and finally normalise the result, dividing it by the simulated XP and 20.
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LevelFromXP = (double(xp) /(225.0f + 5.0f*sqrt(2025.0f + (2.0f*double(xp)))));I haven't figured out where it came from, but it looks very good on a graph. It gives the right numbers for all levels and there are only minor differences between this and my "linear between levels" approach. Plugging this directly into sim2 will introduce up to 2% additional error, which is OK. Good job on this one, Splinterz.
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wow, I love this part of the codeWell, I think sim1 is better overall, but for this formula I had a piece of code that said how much effort it will take to get to Legendary+5 with current xp and skill rate. The problem was that for very poor rates it returned too negative values. One solution was to cap it at say 50% skill rate and call it a day, as you proposed, but I wanted something more elegant, so instead I used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1/x When used properly, it can map a finite interval into an infinite one, or vice-versa and near the "fat part" it looks pretty nice. So I made a continuous function by glueing it with linear function for really good rates. That way I still have some kind of comparison going on for very low skill rates and nice linear properties if Legendary+5 is closer than 29000 xp after factoring in the skill rate. It could be further tweaked to make the linear part longer, but I'm unsure what would be better.
Your graph for this will look even better if you put more horizontal lines there, so you can see what skill levels and rates match each other according to this formula.
With 28500 XP and 1% rate you are still 500*100 = 50000 XP away from legendary+5 (and depending on how XP gains are rounded, will never get there, because for example 60/100 = 0). Legendary+4 is still very good, that's why for "best roles" you'd want to aggregate both this formula and current skill level to make a judgement. I'd be pretty happy with instant Legendary+4 myself, if it doesn't rust.
Both my simulation formulas would still return 19/20 or more in this situation, which means they aggregate skill levels and rates more how a player would want them to.
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btw, your code (untouched) won't run 27000 or 28000 exp at 100% rate...Come again?
Hm, infinite loop for 26601 XP to 28999 XP, which is level 19.
Damn it, no gdb on this computer :(
OK, the error was in get_level_from_xp where max should be initialised to 20, not 19. That removes the infinite loop. Sorry for the bug.
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.25 skill .75 rateThis one looks the best to me, except 1% rate sucks no matter what, but then you normally don't get that low in mods. These graphs are why the pseudo-simulation approach is better. No matter how you tweak the weights for skill and skill_rate_eval, it still won't give you exactly what you want for all xp and skill rate values.
I suggest that you experiment with simulate_skill_gain, but change int sim_xp = max_xp; to less, say 20000, 15000 and 10000.
Post by: thistleknot on January 19, 2013, 08:52:49 pm
but...
I guess that's not where the issue is at?
the issue is at where your formula follows up with a drawing of the difference to next level.
where mine doesn't do that, because mine is called before?
to be honest, I've had some fun with friends tonight with drinks and all
so to try and figure it out before I know you'll check it out around 3 AM my time will mean I haven't had the fortitude to figure it through yet.
so if you can understand my miscomprehension, and explain in detail why Splinterz sqrt formula is drawing the level at around the right range, yet is not enough to produce sim2 results, would be awesome!
Post by: Maklak on January 20, 2013, 02:52:00 am
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I'm still a bit confused then as to how your formula does that advanced math stuff on triangles and mine and splinterz come out the same...Hey, last time you said, they weren't exactly the same. Anyway, my sim1 and sim2 formulas pretend they perform numerical integration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_integration), sim1 uses something similar to the rectangle method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectangle_method), while sim2 uses trapezoid rule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapezoidal_rule), but in this particular case sim1 is better, I think. sim1 only cares about current level rounded down. Wikipedia has some nice pictures on numerical integration.
If you want to plug Splinterzes formula into sim2 (there is no reason to do it for sim1, except if you take the floor of it), here's how to do it:
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double getLevelFromXP (int xp)
{ return (double(xp) /(225.0f + 5.0f*sqrt(2025.0f + (2.0f*double(xp)))));
}
double simulate_skill_gain_slopes_2(int xp, int rate)
{ if (xp >= max_xp)
return 20.0 / 20.0;
if (rate == 0)
return getLevelFromXP(xp) / 20.0; // Obviously stays the same.
int sim_xp = max_xp; // 29k seems like a good value to me.
sim_xp = (sim_xp * rate) / 100; // This is how much XP will go towards skill learning.
int total_xp = sim_xp;
double ret = 0.0;
int curr_level = getLevelFromXP(xp); // Convert to int
int curr_xp = xp;
while ((sim_xp > 0) && (curr_level < 20))
{ int xp_gap = xp_levels[curr_level+1] - curr_xp; // How much XP till mext level?
if (xp_gap > sim_xp)
xp_gap = sim_xp;
double low = getLevelFromXP(curr_xp);
double high = getLevelFromXP(curr_xp + gap_xp);
double avg_level = (low + high) / 2.0; // Average scaled level for this iteration.
ret += xp_gap * avg_level;
curr_level++;
curr_xp = xp_levels[curr_level];
sim_xp -= xp_gap;
}
if (sim_xp > 0)
ret += 20 * sim_xp;
ret /= total_xp;
ret /= 20.0;
return ret;
}It uses the exact same method as sim2, but the output will be slightly different. EDIT: BTW, this is my formula for lvl(xp), from solving the quadratic equation:
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min_xp_for_this_lvl = 500 * lvl + 100 * (lvl * (lvl -1))/2
interpolated_level(xp) = (-9.0 + sqrt(81.0 + (2.0*xp)/25.0)) /2
It gives exactly the same results as Splinterzes formula, but I don't know why the two are equivalent. Post by: thistleknot on January 20, 2013, 09:54:39 pm
So. I realized why my question was stupid. I was thinking that my formula and splinterz were doing something correct, but as you pointed out, sim1 is truncating the xp to the starting point for each level? Which is why they are getting values NEAR each other (splinterz code, and mine), but are not the same as sim2.
I guess what I'm hoping to resolve is how to make it work like sim2, because I am having a hard time reading it. But I think I might be able to get it up. I think I just need to add to the current xp (of sim1) the interpolated amount of xp no?
I'm leaning more towards sim2, merely because an interpolated value more represents a dwarf's actual progress, combined with averaging it with just a dwarf's interpolated level, this will "reduce" the effect of sim2. I'm not sure why you like sim1 more than sim2.
btw,
when I mentioned that i was thinking rate of 0 to 100 could be .01 to .5, and 100 to 500 could be .5 to 1, I was thinking along the lines of multiplicative inverse (and mentioned exponential methods), but I'm not so good with math as you are. I was trying to create some #'s using logs, but it wasn't working. that's why I was like "this is so beautiful"
update:
i see now that ur code isnt adding xps.... i think u mentioned that.
Post by: gn0rt0n on January 21, 2013, 11:41:28 am
I'm still quite new to DF, but have put a lot of time into research as I generally enjoy meta-gaming as much or more than the actual game itself. I like to work to automation as much as possible and don't like the overwhelming micro of certain tasks.
To this end, my games usually end after the first couple large migrant waves since I now tend to start to micro job management. I think that Optimization Plans are exactly what I am looking for. However, I would like to look over some sample plans from others on the forum to get a feel for how others are implementing the priority/ratio system.
If any of you have some plans you would be willing to share, I would love to look them over. As I mentioned, just having the auto assign feature is only part of what I am looking for. I want to understand the logic behind other players priority/ratio system as I feel I could be a bit more efficient.
Also, I love the request from a few days ago to add Exclude options for those in Squads in addition to active Military. I think that would help my calculations as well.
Thanks again,
G
Post by: Maklak on January 21, 2013, 03:55:30 pm
I like sim1 more for 2 reasons:
1) The returned numbers are lower, so the results for all kinds of xp and rates should be slightly more spaced out. This is a good thing for comparison.
2) sim1 works a bit like the game. Yes, you have xp, but until a dwarf makes it to another level, his speed and quality and chance to hit and other things are based (presumably) on the current skill level, not some interpolated value. sim1 pretty much thinks "OK, so you get this much utility form this level, this much from the next one, this one from the level after that and so on." Then it averages that.
I made sim1 and sim2 as close as possible. Less than 10 lines of code are different between them. To make sim2 that looks more like sim1, I gave you some code recently, namely this:
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double low = getLevelFromXP(curr_xp);
double high = getLevelFromXP(curr_xp + gap_xp);
double avg_level = (low + high) / 2.0;There is no reason to make sim1 work like sim2 when you already have sim2 and the above replacement for it's interpolation. Quote
i see now that ur code isnt adding xps.... i think u mentioned that.Adding them to what? The "beautiful" formula actually subtracts current xp, while sim1 and sim2 add xp just fine.
gn0rt0n, I don't fully understand your question, but I think the answer might have something to do with a few last pages in this thread. We were discussing recommendations for jobs and sorting by skills and other factors quite furiously.
Post by: thistleknot on January 21, 2013, 06:21:17 pm
your very original formula did a 500 run loop of adding factored xps (60 * rate). Thats what i was referring to when i said sim1 and sim2 don't seem to be adding xps (everytime a new xp is calculated (at least for sim1), it's only the rounded down version of the next level (i.e. based on the array). I was trying to figure out where I could include an option to add accrued xp (you mentioned that my modded sim1 formula starts with an interpolated level, but afterwards, all the levels are rounded down (xp wise)), I was trying to remedy that, but your sim formulas r doing geometric "shortcuts"
gn0rt0n: is referring to the labor optimizer (my latest and greatest contribution to dt, of course Splinterz recoded it optimally ;), I've been going on for months about it on this thread using a over complicated spreadsheet, but finally had the balls to sit down and hard code it in).
And the ability of the labor optimizer to exclude dwarfs assigned to squads vs just active militia (something I was bringing up to Splinterz attention when he was originally coding it, but since I knew the filter script to filter by active squads, it was a non issue for me, but it seems to be an issue for those who don't know how to do the scripting).
Here's my exported labor plan (note, a priority merely factors a dwarf's raw fit % down vs other roles)
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Maklak, okay, I think I see what I need to change
ret += xp_gap * curr_level;
to something else, in sim2 it's
ret += xp_gap * avg_level;
so I'm thinking I need to add the xp to curr_level but interpolate curr_level?
arghhh... not sure, because then the level is still reset in the following statement
curr_xp = xp_levels[int(curr_level)];
ah, nm. I have no idea what to mess with to try to get sim1 to be more like sim2, but using actual increases in xp vs the geometric methods... I'm not really sure what some of these different xp values are supposed to represent.
I guess sim_xp is supposed to be the distance from 29k? But is updated using only the gp gap to next level?
Is this measuring the avg # of jobs to reach next level or something?
update:
okay. i see ur code on using splinterz formula.
its doing one iteration per level until it hits 20. that should help me figure things out.
Post by: Maklak on January 22, 2013, 04:36:23 am
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your very original formula did a 500 run loop of adding factored xps (60 * rate). Thats what i was referring to when i said sim1 and sim2 don't seem to be adding xps (everytime a new xp is calculated (at least for sim1), it's only the rounded down version of the next level (i.e. based on the array). I was trying to figure out where I could include an option to add accrued xp (you mentioned that my modded sim1 formula starts with an interpolated level, but afterwards, all the levels are rounded down (xp wise)), I was trying to remedy that, but your sim formulas r doing geometric "shortcuts"Ah yes, my original formula was quick and dirty and I mentioned, it had obvious optimisations by substituting division with addition. For example when you have 10000 xp, at 60 xp per job and 130% rate, you get (11000 - 10000) / ((60 * 130)/100) = 12, but since (((11000 - 10000) % ((60 * 130)/100)) != 0) you need more than 12 jobs to get to next level, so it it actually 13 jobs at level 10 to get to level 11.
So instead of adding ((60 * 130)/100) xp 13 times, you can multiply it by 13, add it once, add 10 13 times to the sum of levels and subtract 13 from the number of iterations left. This is more complex than a simple addition loop, but works the same and for a large number of additions it should be faster. Oh yeah, and you want to check if ((60 * 130)/100) == 0 and treat it as a special case.
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Here's my exported labor planYou haven't written what those numbers are.
I thought this was quote self-explanatory, but I'll add even more comments.
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double simulate_skill_gain(int xp, int rate)
{ if (xp >= max_xp)
return 20.0 / 20.0; // Already at max level. Getting more XP won't change the skill level.
if (rate == 0)
return get_level_from_xp(xp) / 20.0; // Obviously stays the same.
int sim_xp = max_xp; // This is how much xp will be simulated. 29k seems like a good value to me. 10000 or 20000 might also work.
sim_xp = (sim_xp / 100.0) * rate; // This is how much XP will go towards skill learning after factoring in the rate.
int total_xp = sim_xp; // This is just used for division at the end.
double ret = 0.0; // return value, based on the average level for this simulation.
int curr_level = get_level_from_xp(xp); // current (non-interpolated) level for our xp.
int curr_xp = xp; // current xp in that skill.
while ((sim_xp > 0) && (curr_level < 20)) // while there is xp to simulate gaining skill and not yet legendary +5
{ int xp_gap = xp_levels[curr_level+1] - curr_xp; // How much XP till next level?
if (xp_gap > sim_xp) // If we run out of sim_xp before reaching the next level, we just use it all up and not get to next level.
xp_gap = sim_xp;
ret += xp_gap * curr_level; // We stay on this level until enough xp is accumulated, so we use that xp as the weight for current level.
curr_level++; // This is only correct if we make it to the next level, but if we don't the loop ends here anyway.
curr_xp = xp_levels[curr_level]; // This is the lowest amount of xp on next level, but really curr_xp += xp_gap;
sim_xp -= xp_gap; // We subtract the amount of xp spent on this level from the total number of xp to simulate.
/* More correct formulas here, but since the loop ends when sim_xp runs out, what I have here now works just fine:
ret += xp_gap * curr_level;
curr_xp += xp_gap;
curr_level = get_level_from_xp(curr_xp); // Function call here, so you might preffer the ++.
sim_xp -= xp_gap;
*/
}
if (sim_xp > 0)
ret += 20 * sim_xp; // Any leftover sim_xp means Legendary +5, so we take that into account.
ret /= total_xp; // Divide by total xp to get the average level for this simulation.
ret /= 20.0; // Normalise to <0, 1>
return ret;
}
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ah, nm. I have no idea what to mess with to try to get sim1 to be more like sim2, but using actual increases in xp vs the geometric methods... I'm not really sure what some of these different xp values are supposed to represent.I have no idea why to mess with sim1 to be more like sim2 when you already have sim2 and I've even given you a sim3, which is sim2 using the sqrt formula for level from xp.
I use multiplication instead of addition, because:
1) It is faster for a large number of additions.
2) The "pseudo-integral" methods (sim1 and sim2) don't care if you get xp in chunks of 60, 10 or whatever else. Splinterzes criticism of the "add 60 500 times" method stemmed from things like military skill gains being erratic. sim1 and sim2 pretend that xp is earned in chunks of 1, but the total amount of it gained is governed by xp rate.
As I already told you, this introduces two errors:
1) Rounding of XP rates. I'm pretty sure the actual xp used after factoring in xp rates stays integer, so for exaple 104% * 60 is 62 and not 62.4. This can't be avoided by sim1 and sim2, because we don't know how much is 60, but should be relatively small and therefore the outcomes for sims with different methods should be in correct order, regardless of method used, except for very close values.
2) Rounding around levels. When you are very close to the next level, sim1 and sim2 will make that small amount count towards this level and jump to the next one. The "add 500 times" method will make 1 job count towards this level and add the xp, landing us well inside the next level.
Trying to fix something you don't understand is a recipe for a disaster.
Post by: thistleknot on January 22, 2013, 08:21:17 am
if u import the csv sheet into a labor optimization plan. the numbers become clear.
in some order its name of role (actually the name is not so important as it can be anything, the labors r actually assigned via labor id, this field is merely a descriptor), then the labors id, the ratio to assign (translates to a number based on dwarves selected) and a priority (ie factor to reduce a roles % by, which is used in relation to other roles/jobs)
update:
maklak:
now that I see your formula, I see trying to carry xp over into next iteration was silly, since each iteration starts at it's own level (although, starting at the midpoint of the 1st iteration kind of makes sense, but since that's already considered in the calculation... maybe not)
I had some ideas, the first one I think is a non starter, but what about a sim3 that measured average level each iteration from current to level 20 (i.e. distance from max skill), I figured the end result would be a higher rating, which probably wouldn't serve any purpose.
secondly, I don't know if this formula would help in optimizing your formula's.
XP=((50 * LEVEL) * (LEVEL + 9))
Which is very interesting, such a simple foil formula, basic algebra (not that I recall any of it). Splinterz thought it wouldn't work for getting interpolated levels, but it does. I don't know if it would help identifying the curve for your calculations, either way, it does away with an array, and splinterz other formula does away with the need for your binary search (which I ALSO thought was neat, never seen it, but makes perfect sense.
Update:
wow, the formula for xp is so friggin simple
500 xp for 1st level, +100/lvl (+ initial 500) for every level afterwards...
Update:
Here's maklak's original code with his updated posts (lacking mine)
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Post by: thistleknot on January 23, 2013, 07:27:40 pm
Post by: Maklak on January 24, 2013, 04:27:36 am
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if traits modify eligibility for skills. maybe they should affect the rate of learning?
They don't affect the rate of learning. AFAIK you get the same XP regardless of stats and traits. Well, there are exceptions, like honesty (straightforwardness?) affecting the ability to lie, but those are few. They do affect how good a Dwarf is at a job, so they should be factored in separately. I actually prefer the current system with arithmethic means for this than what you propose.
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I had some ideas, the first one I think is a non starter, but what about a sim3 that measured average level each iteration from current to level 20 (i.e. distance from max skill)
I would have to see it to comment on it, but I think sim1 is good enough.
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secondly, I don't know if this formula would help in optimizing your formula's.// xp(lvl) = 500*lvl + 100 * (lvl * (lvl -1)) / 2;
// xp(lvl) = 50 * lvl * (10 + 2*(lvl -1)/2);
// xp (lvl) = 50 * lvl * (lvl + 9); // Is legit.
// max_xp_gap(lvl) = 500 + 100*lvl;
Hm... to find the initial level from xp, you could use Splinterzes formula for level_from_xp, then round it to int.
To get the xp gap to next level you could use this.
Yes, you could skip the array and binary search with these two. There would be less code, but more comments that way.
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so i was proposing modifying the rate (ie learning rate) of those skills to 0 if those skills couldnt be learned...
Ah, then I agree. If you can't learn liar because of honesty, set the learning rate for that to 0 (inside DT, not inside game) and proceed.
Post by: thistleknot on January 24, 2013, 06:40:59 am
i wasnt proposing to change the arithmetic mean method. however, after reading the wiki. traits dont affect eligibility of labor skills but social skills that can be learned. so i was proposing modifying the rate (ie learning rate) of those skills to 0 if those skills couldnt be learned...
but... since there social skills and not labor skills... they could only really affect some noble positions such as some mwmod nobles like the psychatrist that rely on social skills
Splinterz:
ctrl-a for selecting all currently listed dwarfs would be cool (I use script filters to exclude militia, nobles, and this simple hack would let me select the rest of dwarf's listed)
Post by: Sutremaine on January 24, 2013, 07:50:47 pm
2. Where's the manual? I've forgotten how to do some things.
Post by: splinterz on January 25, 2013, 05:55:54 am
1. Is skill rust displayed by default? I have dwarves that are rusty in various minor skills and one who's definitely lost a level to rust, but I don't see any orange highlights anywhere.
2. Where's the manual? I've forgotten how to do some things.
1. unfortunately i've found no reliable way of determining rust vs very rust and as far as i can tell there are bugs with rusting skills that make this even more difficult. the only thing i'm able to detect is if a skill has already begun losing xp. those skills will be orange in the tooltip and in the dwarf detail pane.
2. i know, i know it's sorely needed with the new features, i just haven't had the time. after this next patch goes out i'll try to get a little webpage setup or something, as well as moving these discussions about the branched version to a new thread. i haven't heard anything from DwarfEngineer for over 6 months, so it's looking less and less like a merge will ever happen.
Post by: zwei on January 25, 2013, 09:06:39 am
1. Is skill rust displayed by default? I have dwarves that are rusty in various minor skills and one who's definitely lost a level to rust, but I don't see any orange highlights anywhere.
2. Where's the manual? I've forgotten how to do some things.
1. unfortunately i've found no reliable way of determining rust vs very rust and as far as i can tell there are bugs with rusting skills that make this even more difficult. the only thing i'm able to detect is if a skill has already begun losing xp. those skills will be orange in the tooltip and in the dwarf detail pane.
Actually, Quietust just figured it out:
rusty = skill.rating > 0 and skill.rating * 0.5 <= skill.rusty
very_rusty = skill.rating >= 4 and skill.rating * 0.75 <= skill.rusty
Post by: splinterz on January 25, 2013, 09:43:05 am
1. Is skill rust displayed by default? I have dwarves that are rusty in various minor skills and one who's definitely lost a level to rust, but I don't see any orange highlights anywhere.
2. Where's the manual? I've forgotten how to do some things.
1. unfortunately i've found no reliable way of determining rust vs very rust and as far as i can tell there are bugs with rusting skills that make this even more difficult. the only thing i'm able to detect is if a skill has already begun losing xp. those skills will be orange in the tooltip and in the dwarf detail pane.
Actually, Quietust just figured it out:
rusty = skill.rating > 0 and skill.rating * 0.5 <= skill.rusty
very_rusty = skill.rating >= 4 and skill.rating * 0.75 <= skill.rusty
well i'll be damned, that's great news, thanks! i'd asked a while ago in the dfhack thread and on irc but nobody responded. ;P
Post by: gn0rt0n on January 25, 2013, 02:19:46 pm
Post by: thistleknot on January 25, 2013, 07:26:27 pm
option to delete labor optimization plan
derp
I have an idea for a great great great great feature
the thoughts of a dwarf
I.e. the z screen...
normally to find my angry dwarf's, I have to view him in DT, see who's angry, and then open up DF and find him via the Unit screen (after sorting the units)...
imagine... I could do this all from within DT... (I could read the negative thoughts from DT and then focus on the dwarf afterwards, rather than reading in DT, and trying to hunt him within DF)
it would even be nicer if DT could center on the dwarf. Wow, what a great idea.
Post by: splinterz on January 26, 2013, 05:04:11 am
Post by: Maklak on January 26, 2013, 05:30:36 am
In my opinion, displaying thoughts in the big tooltip over a Dwarf would be useful, but I would rather have a dfhack command to display thoughts and the number of dwarves that have them.
Post by: Sutremaine on January 26, 2013, 08:50:21 pm
1. unfortunately i've found no reliable way of determining rust vs very rust and as far as i can tell there are bugs with rusting skills that make this even more difficult. the only thing i'm able to detect is if a skill has already begun losing xp. those skills will be orange in the tooltip and in the dwarf detail pane.I still can't see it anywhere... I don't know if I'm missing something obvious.
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I'm using branch 19.3 and DF 34.11.
Post by: feelotraveller on January 27, 2013, 01:03:27 am
Post by: thistleknot on January 27, 2013, 02:59:47 am
attributes. i like feelots... idea of starting max tracking.
u think theres a way to combine (maybe some sort of weighted average?) this into attribute % by
1. using a value derived from placement in raw bins with (current method), possible weight .5
2. placement from initial starting value and max value (ie 200% of initial would be 100% for this, initial would be 50%). What would need to be known here is what is the minimal value a dwarf can fall below initial. This represents how much a dwarf can actually train up/down, possible weight .25
3. a value based on max possible for that attribute (i.e. 100% would be 200% of last raw value). What would need to be known here is what is minimal value a dwarf can fall below lowest bin (i.e. below 1st value defined in raws for that attribute), this represents how much a dwarf is out of possible max of an entire population (i.e. 200% of maximum possible starting value is the max any dwarf can hope to attain, and is relative to all dwarfs). possible weight .25
Update:
I don't think 3 is needed. It can be accounted for in 2.
Example:
Two dwarf's with the same current value would different in their attribute % by comparing their initial values to current possible max. Almost like a learning rate.
A dwarf that was at it's current possible max, would have his current value / 1 (or something like that). These values need to be normalized.
A dwarf that was not at his current possible max would have a lower divisor, and hence a higher end result #.
currently attributes are determined by where they fall within the starting bins. if they exceed or drop below possible starting bin values, the go into the <1% or >99% values.
For the answer to 2 and 3, I see there are tokens that define the "rust" of an attribute
MENT_ATT_RATES
Mental attribute gain/decay rates. Defaults are 500:4:5:4.
and
Phys_att_rates
Physical attribute gain/decay rates. Defaults for STRENGTH, AGILITY, TOUGHNESS, and ENDURANCE are 500:3:4:3, while RECUPERATION and DISEASE_RESISTANCE default to 500:NONE:NONE:NONE.
looks like default rust is 4.
Whatever that means, it's possible the decay formula is the same as Q's as pointed out earlier.
If it is (testing I guess?), maybe we can come up with a more comprehensive formula for identifying attribute %s.
Post by: splinterz on January 27, 2013, 06:27:56 am
all the decay variables do is set limits on a set of counters. each counter increments to it's max and then the next counter is incremented, etc.. all this is for the purpose of adding layers of rust. the number of rust layers is what's used to determine if a skill is rusty or very rusty. now that this can be determined, it should probably be considered when finding ratings for skills (specific to role calculations)
the maximum attribute values for a caste shouldn't be too difficult to display, but i'm not sure of the best way to roll them into role calculations, or if it's necessary.
Post by: thistleknot on January 28, 2013, 03:57:39 pm
splinterz and i after a lot of discussion, decided to extend the last frequency bin to double the last value. (a dwarf can attain twice his initial starting value in attributes, so it goes to show the max a dwarf can achieve is 200% max embark possible value).
see
PHYS_ATT_CAP_PERC
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Creature_token
so, strength, that max embark value is 2250, then a new binary frequency will account for 2250 to 4500.
so now instead of being
<1% 0 to 1st bin (below lowest embark possible value)
1 to 99% being the 6 bins (old 98/6% per bin)
>99% past 6th bin (i.e. past 2250)
will now be
<1% below lowest embark possible value)
1 to 99% being 7 bins (so 98/7) 7th bin being 2250-4500 for strength
>99% beyond last bin
it's important to have a 99%+ for multiple castes (like mwmod) because the castes bin's values are factored by the caste frequency (which is kind of confusing, but anyways).
Just posting this for anyone who cares.
Post by: Maklak on January 28, 2013, 05:06:15 pm
Regarding your previous post, I really see no point in using different methods for this and taking an arithmetic weight for them. I didn't answer it, because it was quite difficult for me to figure out what you wanted me to do. The way I see it, you're over-thinking a problem with a simple solution. You may want something complex for advice on what to assign to a Dwarf, but the part that just picks what values to display for an attribute need not be that way.
Yes, you can compute the median, assume it's 50 and actually do a lot of calculations on bins, get the cumulative distribution function for an attribute that takes into account the caste frequencies, then use it to map that attribute values to their cumulative distribution function, so that for each attribute the displayed value is it's probability of being equal to this or less for a starting dwarf. But:
1) You still have a problem with high physical attributes from military training and 1% above starting maximum is a very conservative estimate, so you'll still end up with some "99+" after a few years, which is against the point of displaying so many values.
2) Some other methods would be simpler and more intuitive, take less effort, coding time, debugging, etc, while being effective too.
Consider my proposal from some time ago:
int disp = (attr + 25) / 50; // Use "00" for >99
It has a resolution of 50, which to me is sufficient.
You can guestimate the attribute at a glance, unlike the bin method. 20 is obviously around a thousand.
The density is the same everywhere, so 30 is 1.5 +- 0.06 as much as 20, while with the bin method you only know that bigger is better, but not by how much.
No "Dead zone" between 39 and 63.
Yes, it will almost never use the full spectrum of numbers, but it doesn't need to. For a normal population you should get values in <500, 2000>, perhaps more, which maps to <10, 40>. 30 values with resolution 50 would suffice for me here.
Yes, you loose the information about the median (or average), but it could be displayed in an extra row, like those that are above dwarves in labour assignment grid.
You have no irregularities for weird attribute distributions, such as [1000:1000:1000:1000:1000:1000:1000] or [1000:2000:3000:4000:5000:5000:5000] or whatever else the modders come up with.
So to me, the simple method is preferable here, but I can manage with other methods, as long as with what you use:
1) Higher value always means higher attribute - v 20 beta satisfies this.
2) A lot of different values are used and they are easy to read at a glance.
Post by: thistleknot on January 28, 2013, 05:24:37 pm
example
strength
450:950:1150:1250:1350:1550:2250
double 2250 is 4500
0-450 is <1%
450-4500 is 1-99%
4500-5000 is 99%+
the importance of bins is to allow us to compare place markers between diff attributes. those place markers r defined in the raws and represent a populations breakdown of probability and offer meaningful tracking of progression.
place markers means
take agility
150:600:800:900:1000:1100:1500
1500 agility is the same % wise as 2250 strength
which matches probability of distribution (at least concerning embark, and what can be expected each migrant wave)
what i was trying to do w the starting value (the post u didn't comment on) was to somehow include a dwarfs possible max attribute he can train up to. ie max potential (which is 200% starting). so two dwarfs at 2500 strength would be rated differently by comparing their max attainable strength.
This is where I was hoping you could help Maklak.
comparing their starting values shows what their max value could be. Two dwarf's with the same current value would be compared by: A dwarf with a higher max potential value would be rated higher than a dwarf with a lower max value.
Kind of similar to how skill rating was adjusted by comparing their rate. Of course the rate formula was a bit complex, I was hoping you could help offer an idea for this as well.
Post by: thistleknot on January 28, 2013, 08:25:00 pm
when I apply a custom profession
it renames my dwarf's description to the custom profession.
I don't care for that, especially with the labor optimizer and then trying to set a default hauler at the end.
Post by: Itnetlolor on January 28, 2013, 09:39:47 pm
Has anyone made a pre-set list of filter scripts, roles, and optimizers (like a packaged file of them, or a sort of plugin pack)?
I already crafted a few of my own, like filters to find out dwarves that are more/less than 50 happiness, Dwarves with no employment whatsoever (or cleared, and forgot to assign), and a few others. However, with the optimizer and roles, I don't have all that much pre-set; or at least, I'm not clear on how the optimizer optimizes (and how it ties in with the roles and whatnot). I test-optimized, and it pretty much auto-assigned my entire fort into hauling duties.
I wasn't sure if the optimizer auto-assigned dwarves to what they're best suited for or not, or what kind of parameters I needed to set to make it work properly, though the profiles of the dwarves stated such.
Post by: thistleknot on January 29, 2013, 04:06:08 am
Just a small question:
Has anyone made a pre-set list of filter scripts, roles, and optimizers (like a packaged file of them, or a sort of plugin pack)?
I already crafted a few of my own, like filters to find out dwarves that are more/less than 50 happiness, Dwarves with no employment whatsoever (or cleared, and forgot to assign), and a few others. However, with the optimizer and roles, I don't have all that much pre-set; or at least, I'm not clear on how the optimizer optimizes (and how it ties in with the roles and whatnot). I test-optimized, and it pretty much auto-assigned my entire fort into hauling duties.
I wasn't sure if the optimizer auto-assigned dwarves to what they're best suited for or not, or what kind of parameters I needed to set to make it work properly, though the profiles of the dwarves stated such.
Max Jobs per dwarf to something like 12 to 20 (I recommend 12 due to rusting of skills)
Auto-assign labors sets any dwarf that doesn't meet % of labors assigned.
Example, at 12 labors per dwarf, and 50% auto assign haulers.
anyone who has 6 labors or less will become a hauler.
Lastly.
percent total jobs. Set this somewhere between 50 to 75% (or whatever you want), and it will assign more labors to dwarfs. 100% means every dwarf will have 12 labors (if you have 12 Max Jobs Per Dwarf)
I have a ton of scripts btw.
these are the ones I mainly use from my %appdata%\udp software\dwarf therapist.ini file
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Post by: thistleknot on January 29, 2013, 04:13:50 am
an ability to choose what labors to assign to my haulers (i.e. from the labor optimizer editor). Maybe allow a user to define a custom profession to apply for the hauling?
also an ability to assign everyone to hauling (I tried to set it to both my jobs to assign and haulers to 100% and it assigned 2 out of 13 dwarfs, weird).
for example:
my haulers I like to also assign feed patients/prisoners
push/haul vehicles
and architect
Post by: Maklak on January 29, 2013, 04:41:14 am
If you can get the current value and the cap on an attribute and really want to, you can use something similar to sim1.
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input: int att, int att_cap; // Current attribute value and cap.
int att_sim = 2000; // Or whatever you think is prudent.
int max_delta = (att_cap -att) > att_sim? att_sim : (att_cap -att); // min {att_sim, att_cap -att}
double ret = ((att + att + max_delta) * max_delta) / 2.0; // Or att * max_delta + (max_delta * max_delta) / 2.0
// if (max_delta != att_sim)
ret += (att_sim - max_delta) * att_cap;
ret /= att_sim; // Ret is now the average value for this attribute when you gain 2000 times in it and cap at some point.
return ret;That said, I've never seen a dwarf stop gaining a physical attribute from military training, the gains are rather slow anyway and for this reason I care about the current value more than about the hypothetical maximum.
> filters to find out dwarves that are more/less than 50 happiness
Sort by happiness in DT, then check the unhappy ones in-game.
> Dwarves with no employment whatsoever (or cleared, and forgot to assign)
I think there was an option to sort by the number of assigned labours, but this includes hauling of course. Military dwarves will deselect all their civilian labours repeatedly after getting to 11 weapon skill, so for now there is nothing to be done here. Someone's hypothesis is that this is a leftover from 40d that should be removed to allow for civilian defence programs, but there was no definitive answer on the mantis.
I assign labours manually in the grid view. I usually want 2 or 3 for each quality improving labour (crafting, farming, etc.), a few miners, a few woodcutters and a few extra masons who are locked out of workshops by setting profiles to high skill only. The rest get assigned to hauling, butchering, threshing, glazing and so on as generalists. I don't trust auto-optimizers. Besides, they usually say that my best military is also very good at everything else, due to their high agility. Yes, you can base the selection on attributes and "Likes steel and helmets" and get a quality boost in the end, but for me the most practical method of choosing professionals is estimating how fast they'll get to Legendary+5. Because even with different attributes, with maxed out skill, they will work blazing fast, make about 25-30% masterworks, lots of exceptional items and items 1-5% worse than that, which to me is both acceptable and not worth the trouble of factoring in attributes and personality.
Post by: thistleknot on January 29, 2013, 04:45:33 am
Tthistleknot, is there a way for you to get the starting attribute for current dwarf?yes. splinterz has it in his latest beta.
THANK YOU FOR THE FORMULA.
PM me if you want the beta, I'll be up for prolly another hour.
concerning attribute rust, q had this to say
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Post by: splinterz on January 29, 2013, 07:09:36 am
@thistleknot: custom professions are intended to override the dwarf's profession. it sounds like you're using it as a work around for another problem. what's the actual issue? push/haul vehicles is already marked as a hauling labor. the only different hauling labor from DF is cleaning. feed/recover patients i disagree on, as i like to have dedicated nurses for that, same for architects. i'd rather keep the hauling similar to what's in the hauling labor category in game. the current beta also doesn't get the starting attribute values, although it can be calculated.
@Maklak: thanks for the additional work with attributes. i've been working on getting happiness thoughts into the next version. the scripting can accomplish most of what you want. you can check the raw happiness level with d.get_raw_happiness() < X for example. the scripts can also get a count of the total assigned labors, i'm going to modify this so you can exclude hauling. you could then create a filter script that shows all non-squad dwarfs with x total assigned labors: d.total_assigned_labors(false) <= 1 && d.squad_id() < 0
Post by: thistleknot on January 29, 2013, 04:53:27 pm
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I was talking with splinterz, I was thinking of putting it into the frequency bin formula's we have setup.
I'm not sure what 2000 is for, so instead I set it to what a dwarf can possibly gain, his max - initial
I made a sim2 that replaces 2000 with max - current.
let me know if I fucked it up
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example:
attributes.exe <input.txt >output.csv
input.txt formatted as such
current initial
sets att_cap to initial x 2, caps at 5000
here's some #'s (no sim2 in this set)
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I tried 50 25 50 (which is 50 current, 25 initial, 50 max), which reads 50.
I also tried this with the arbitrary 2000 number, reports the same 50.
So the results will output a value less than max, but greater than current.
errors on 2500 5000 as input values...
according to splinterz, rust isn't permanent on attributes.
new million dollar question
what about modifying the above formula for attribute rate gain? Some mods have the ability to increase attributes at a faster rate.
Post by: thistleknot on January 29, 2013, 09:53:50 pm
I read your post about auto optimizer's.
I felt the same way about autolabor via dfhack (which matches your skill concerns exactly, but I didn't like the fact it didn't figure in attributes, and traits).
Anyways. If DT could auto-optimize in a way that you would like, how would it go about it? I mean if we're hitting on the skill thing you want, then can't you just weights skills the most important and then auto-optimize?
You said something about assigning the undesirable effect of militia dwarf's being assigned to labors? Couldn't you use assign
militia first
nobles second? (filter out militia)
laborers last? (filter out nobles)
that's how I handle it.
I hope the labor optimizer can be used for everyone. The limit I see with it right now is # of labor's per dwarf (but there is a workaround, using the highlighted dwarf's and changing the # in the labor plan).
Post by: Maklak on January 30, 2013, 10:05:42 am
> I was talking with splinterz, I was thinking of putting it into the frequency bin formula's we have setup.
The bin method and simulation method are different and don't mix. The bin method is about what you can get from migrants. The simulation method is about what you can can do with what you have now.
> I'm not sure what 2000 is for, so instead I set it to what a dwarf can possibly gain, his max - initial
It is an arbitrary number of attribute points to gain. It must be the same for all dwarves for the simulation method to work properly. The only reason I can think of that you would set this to something dependant on att and initial is that you don't understand these lines, because they take care of capping the attribute already.
int max_delta = ...
ret += (att_sim - max_delta) * att_cap;
2000 is pretty high, actually. Only the military has a hope of gaining this much and only in some attributes.
> I made a sim2 that replaces 2000 with max - current.
This won't fix it. It will only reverse a small anomally, depending if att or initial is bigger, because depending on that you cap out and "ret += (att_sim - max_delta) * att_cap;" kicks in.
> let me know if I fucked it up
Yes. I explained it above. With different numbers of attribute points gained by different dwarves, this method no longer works properly.
This is what I would do:
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int sim3 (int att, int initial)
{ int att_cap = initial * 2; // Actually: int att_cap = initial + ((initial > median) ? initial : median);
att_cap = (att_cap > 5000) ? (5000) : (att_cap); //caps at 5000
// If att > att_cap, there can be no gain, except by interactions.
if (att > att_cap)
return att;
int att_sim = 2000; // Or whatever you think is prudent. This is where you can factor in attribute rates.
int max_delta = (att_cap -att) > att_sim? att_sim : (att_cap -att); // min {att_sim, att_cap -att}
long long ret = ((att + att + max_delta) * max_delta) / 2; // Or att * max_delta + (max_delta * max_delta) / 2
ret += (att_sim - max_delta) * att_cap;
ret /= att_sim; // Ret is now the average value for this attribute when you gain 2000 times in it and cap at some point.
return (int)ret;
}> errors on 2500 5000 as input values...
int att_sim = att_cap - initial; // = 5000 - 5000 and later causes division by 0.
> new million dollar question
You lie. I won't get a million dollars for answering this.
> what about modifying the above formula for attribute rate gain?
Simple, if you know how those work. "int att_sim = 2000;" Modify 2000 by the gain rate, similar to sim1 for skills. You want to use the first number, the "cost to improve". I think it should be "att_sim = att_sim * 500.0 / CTI;" assuming the lower cost the better.
> Anyways. If DT could auto-optimize in a way that you would like, how would it go about it?
* Highlight labours with no assigned dwarves in the grid view. (Or fewer than a set number)
* Let me sort dwarves by suitability for a labour, so I can manually pick however many I want.
* Have an option to quickly select multiple labours for a single dwarf. I think this is possible now, but I haven't figured it out.
In other words, I prefer to do this manually, just have a few shortcuts.
> I mean if we're hitting on the skill thing you want, then can't you just weights skills the most important and then auto-optimize?
If sim1 is going to be there with a settable weight, I can sort by mostly it, yes.
> You said something about assigning the undesirable effect of militia dwarf's being assigned to labors?
If I have a DT option to filter out military (all of them, not just the ones currently on duty), then I can manage. Nobles are less important, because I only have a few of them, overlap their responsibilities (manager + record keeper) and can remember or rename them.
I don't mind the military as haulers, butchers and so on, but I don't want them to do any of the important jobs, unless they mood out.
Post by: arclance on January 30, 2013, 10:41:32 am
> You said something about assigning the undesirable effect of militia dwarf's being assigned to labors?You can sort by squad and you will get a list of every dwarf not in the military first followed by the rest grouped into their squads active or not.
If I have a DT option to filter out military (all of them, not just the ones currently on duty), then I can manage. Nobles are less important, because I only have a few of them, overlap their responsibilities (manager + record keeper) and can remember or rename them.
I don't mind the military as haulers, butchers and so on, but I don't want them to do any of the important jobs, unless they mood out.
This won't work if you use squads to assign uniforms to civilians but I don't think there is any way around that.
Post by: thistleknot on January 30, 2013, 11:31:40 am
since someone corrected me
the opposite are non military.
Non military
d.squad_id()<0
Not noble
!d.noble_position()
there's also a
<0 is non nobles
btw. these r also built into the labor optimizer editor
if u highlight one dwarf and run an optimizer on him. it will assign the best labors that fit in the optimization plan up to the max number of labors per dwarf you have set.
and yes, latest beta has your sim1 formula in there, you can weight it to 100% and it will completely disable current skill level and just use your sim1 method :)
Post by: splinterz on January 30, 2013, 02:47:09 pm
squad _id()>0 is militaryunfortunately, these are all incorrect. check my post above for the proper syntax.
the opposite r civvies
theres also a noble_id()
Post by: thistleknot on January 30, 2013, 08:33:17 pm
Okay, I tried again. This time I didn't fuck with it the way I did last time, I changed 2000 to 5000 (since skills based sim_xp on 29k, I figured why not base attributes on 5k).
an att_sim value of 100 seemed to produce good numbers.
Although I like 100 as an att_sim value, setting the att_sim to this number, and then setting weights that combines current attribute % with sim3, means the cieling of sim3 results will be that much shorter when using 100, so I recommend a high value, like 5000, and a player can then adjust the weights between attribute/sim3.
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att_sim = (att_sim / 100.0) * CTI; (which is how sim1 looked).
You said
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> what about modifying the above formula for attribute rate gain?
Simple, if you know how those work. "int att_sim = 2000;" Modify 2000 by the gain rate, similar to sim1 for skills. You want to use the first number, the "cost to improve". I think it should be "att_sim = att_sim * 500.0 / CTI;" assuming the lower cost the better.
I think when you say "lower cost the better" you mean cost to improve attributes, such as 1:1 vs 5:1, which confuses me why we're dividing by 100 then multiplying. Say my rate is 500%, so if the att_sim is 5000, shouldn't it be 5000/5 (i.e. 500%) but we're doing 5000 / 100 (to normalize 100% to 1) then MULTIPLYING by rate... therefore increasing sim.
Maybe a large sim is good in this case?
Update:
Well testing these three
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att_sim = (att_sim / 100.0) * CTI;
//att_sim = att_sim / (CTI/100);
//att_sim = att_sim * 500.0 / CTI;
the uncommented one went higher with higher skill rates, which is exactly what you had typed.So I guess larger att_sim is better (for the dwarf)
thanks for this clarification
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// Actually: int att_cap = initial /+ ((initial > median) ? initial : median);Splinterz was saying something about something that looked similar.
reference for finding mean based on frequency distributions (http://infinity.cos.edu/faculty/woodbury/stats/tutorial/CT_MeanGroup.htm)
example
200:700:900:1000:1100:1300:2000
midpoints
450:800:950:1050:1200:1650
x (1/6)
75:133.33:158.33:175:200:275
Sum
1016.66
verified (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Attribute#How_Your_Dwarf_Gets_Attributes)
Update:
I figured how to find the median from watching this video
start at 4:20 (hehe) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqHEFqKU5gQ)
however, it describes adding up the frequency's of each category, how do we do that since the frequencies are 1/6 for each bin?
Well, I was going to use an arbitrary number (like 6
150:600:800:900:1000:1100:1500
1500-150=1350
1350/2 = 675
so the 675 value is the median
you can't just take 150+675 though
so if there's 1350 values per bin
well, I just realized something.
The median is the 4th value in the raw's, everytime. This is only because each bin has exactly 1/6 chance of occuring, so the median is the 3/6 value, which is the 4th bin value
I was going to say to count up to 6/2 = 3, 3rd value in the frequency bin, but then I realized the simplicity of it all.
Post by: hops on January 31, 2013, 02:29:20 am
Never mind. I found out how.
Post by: Maklak on January 31, 2013, 02:41:47 am
100 is pretty low even for civilians, but it does say the most about the attribute value in the near future, capped or not. 500 to 2000 are reasonable values, I think.
For 5000 the cap will weight in the most. If want to have some kind of slider between current attribute value and the cap, I'd sooner just change the att_sim value to whatever the user wants (self-explanatory enough) rather than use an arithmetic mean.
CTI is the first number in MENT_ATT_RATES and PHYS_ATT_RATES which are usually something along the lines of 500:4:5:4 The 500 is the CTI, the rest of them is for rust. This is why I used 500 as default. It is the default value. Since it is called "cost to improve", I assume the lower the better, but I'd have to run tests by setting it for agility to some low value, like 10 and observing military training. Very fast increase would mean I'm right, almost no increase would mean I'm not and this should be used instead:
att_sim = (att_sim * CTI) / 500;
Yes, the median is the middle value in these things: [200:800:900:1000:1100:1300:2000]
Also, the att_cap is affected by this tokens: MENT_ATT_CAP_PERC, PHYS_ATT_CAP_PERC
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I think when you say "lower cost the better" you mean cost to improve attributes, such as 1:1 vs 5:1, which confuses me why we're dividing by 100 then multiplying. Say my rate is 500%, so if the att_sim is 5000, shouldn't it be 5000/5 (i.e. 500%) but we're doing 5000 / 100 (to normalize 100% to 1) then MULTIPLYING by rate... therefore increasing sim.I did no such thing. You're commenting about your own formula here.
> the uncommented one went higher with higher skill rates, which is exactly what you had typed.
No. I typed "assuming the lower cost the better". You assumed CTI works exactly like learning rates for skills, which I don't think it does. Maybe the simplest way to resolve it is to ask in the modding forum.
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regarding ATT_RATES: the first value (cost to improve) is indeed better the lower the value is. what happens in the background is that a counter is incremented up to the CTI and then the attribute is increased. i haven't tested it, but assuming it works like rust, the increase is only by 1 point each time the CTI maximum is reached. this is definitely different from skills, as the skill rate is modifying the amount of xp gained, while the CTI is basically just modifying a counter's limit.This is what I thought, based on the name "cost to improve".
Post by: splinterz on January 31, 2013, 03:21:00 am
Post by: thistleknot on January 31, 2013, 04:23:07 am
is it bad to have diff att_sim used for diff attributes? ie str vs agi (since they both have diff ranges of possible values they can gain).
if it is bad to change att_sim between attributes. then 2000 seems good
Post by: Maklak on January 31, 2013, 04:30:20 am
Or rather your mean based on bins, to make it caste-independent. Seems reasonable, at least for those attributes that you can gain fast.
> is it bad to have diff att_sim used for diff attributes? ie str vs agi
It is OK to have different att_sim for different attributes. Just have the same att_sim for the same attribute for all Dwarves.
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i did a quick bit of testing on the attribute rate gains with a woodcutter at 500 and 100 rates. the improvement counter gain was the same: +1 per 10 game steps while cutting trees. this resulted in a gain of 37 to the counter per tree the dwarf cut down. so at 500 it required 13.51 trees to increase strength by 1, while at 100 it only required 2.702 (or the expected 1/5 of 13.51).This means I was right and (if you can get CTI for an attribute):
att_sim = (att_sim * 500) / CTI; // Assume no one would set CTI to 0.
It will make the cap much more important for mods with improved learning rates for attributes.
Post by: splinterz on January 31, 2013, 04:52:11 am
Post by: thistleknot on January 31, 2013, 09:31:06 am
quick pre correction
4500 is 99% 2250 is 85%《(see below)
Still on the fence about feeding the value back into the original bins.
I understand the concern of these values represent values after embark, but our frequency bin has a range of %s reserved for this area.
Yes, the values are newly generated. But the frequency bins already account for max possible value.
Take strength of 4500 (vanilla) for example. In our frequency distribution, that maps to 85%.
if we take a sim1 of 4500/5k, then that value comes out to be 90%.
Also, the sim approach has an att_cap included now that is inclusive of a dwarf's max possible gain, further allowing integration into our original % distribution scheme.
The frequency distribution we have setup already accounts for values that are generated after embark, we just try to fit it into our distribution scheme, whether values less than lowest raw are a certain %, and values above last raw are a new 98/7% range (i.e. a 14% range).
by mixing in a sim1/5k, we're basically introducing new values and saying their higher than a normal 4500 (which would be 85% vs 90%).
So by converting sim1 (actually sim3, modified) back to our frequency distribution, we are converting this new number back into a matching # in our frequency distribution, before averaging them
To be honest, I don't think it matter's so much, as we still get a value between 0 and 100, and the order is still preserved, but I think the value should be rescaled to match our distribution. The max possible values will still be the same in both %, i.e. max for strength in our frequency bin is 4500, max generated with this sim3 approach I guess is 4500 (not sure since the question on att_sim posed below as to whether is should be be based on max possible gain, or average possible gain).
Anyways, I know it's confusing. Two questions though.
1.
What to base att_sim on, avg, median gain, or max gain?
- anyways, I was talking with Splinterz, and what's best
average potential gain for att_sim?
median potential gain for att_sim?
max potential gain for att_sim (basically last raw in an attribute)
Merge ret result back into frequency bin?
here's code that uses median potential gain for att_sim
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Post by: Maklak on January 31, 2013, 10:11:49 am
sim3 is supposed to simulate some time spent gaining an attribute, then tell you what was the average value for that attribute during that time. This much should be obvious from the trapezoid + rectangle formulas for ret. Anyway, what the sim3 returns, you need to treat as a predicted attribute value a few years ahead.
I don't know what any of this has to do with producing values for bins. I think taking this and accounting for vampires and other attribute-boosting interactions will suffice:
int att_cap = initial + ((initial > median) ? initial : median);
> I understand the concern of these values represent values after embark, but our frequency bin has a range of %s reserved for this area.
You mean the 1% assumed frequency for attributes above the maximum?
> Take strength of 4500 (vanilla) for example. In our frequency distribution, that maps to 85%.
> if we take a sim1 of 4500/5k, then that value comes out to be 90%.
85% ow what? 90% of what. What does any of this have to do with anything? ???
> Also, the sim approach has an att_cap included now that is inclusive of a dwarf's max possible gain, further allowing integration into our original % distribution scheme.
See above.
> The frequency distribution we have setup already accounts for values that are generated after embark, we just try to fit it into our distribution scheme, whether values less than lowest raw are a certain %, and values above last raw are a new 98/7% range (i.e. a 14% range).
??? This looks like something from the way you construct bins. It has nothing to do with sim3 as far as I'm concerned.
> by mixing in a sim1/5k, we're basically introducing new values and saying their higher than a normal 4500 (which would be 85% vs 90%).
> So by converting sim1 (actually sim3, modified) back to our frequency distribution, we are converting this new number back into a matching # in our frequency distribution, before averaging them
Ah, I think I understand what you're trying to do now. You want to assume some attribute gain over time and modify the attribute bins accordingly. Well, for current population and a selected attribute you can calculate the average attribute gain so far:
sum = sum by all dwarves { ((att -initial)*CTI_for_his_caste*caste_frequency)/500 }
average = sum / number_of_dwarves.
Heck, you can even feed that to sim3, assuming you get a reasonable value (above 100).
> max for strength in our frequency bin is 4500
OK, but what about a very strong Dwarf becoming a vampire and having 5000 strength? This is not a hypothetical question. The FoE mod I play has "Power Armour Potion" - one use per dwarf, but boosts some attributes by 2000.
> max generated with this sim3 approach I guess is 4500
Unless att >= 4500, the value generated by sim3 will be <= 4500.
> What to base att_sim on, avg, median gain, or max gain?
Keep in mind that really big gains in attributes, exceeding a thousand, are rare. They only really happen for military ponies. Gaining 4000 or 5000 in an attribute never ever happens, so be a realist here. I think this should either be some arbitrary value for each attribute or something based on the "average median" for all castes. (I'm not kidding, take medians for all castes and get their arithmetic average, based on caste frequencies.)
> Merge ret result back into frequency bin?
It might work with caution and knowing exactly what you do, but looking at your mathematical recklessness so far, don't bother or you will get it wrong.
Your program still uses the wrong formula for factoring in CTI, as proven by Splinterz and explained by me. The correct one is this:
att_sim = (att_sim * 500) / CTI;
Post by: thistleknot on January 31, 2013, 10:52:02 am
i get my math right in the end thru trial and error
when i said i wanted to feed the value back into the frequency bin.
i meant take ret and instead of divide by 5000 to get a percent
run it through our already established formula for deriving percents based on value. because our formula already accounts for values above the 7th raw. i.e. 85% to 99% is 7th raw to 7th raw * 2 (or the 200% perc token value)
i was proposing a att_sim based on median *.5 and 3rd median quartile*.5
agil would b 975
str would be 1375
Post by: Maklak on January 31, 2013, 11:51:39 am
> i get my math right in the end thru trial and error
I don't like the sound of that, but I sometimes do this myself.
> when i said i wanted to feed the value back into the frequency bin.
> i meant take ret and instead of divide by 5000 to get a percent
I don't divide ret by 5000, so you probably mean "take the average value of this attribute for this Dwarf after some gains and compare it to the highest possible value for that attribute".
> run it through our already established formula for deriving percents based on value. because our formula already accounts for values above the 7th raw. i.e. 85% to 99% is 7th raw to 7th raw * 2 (or the 200% perc token value)
OK, I guess, but what exactly do you want to accomplish?
> i was proposing a att_sim based on median *.5 and 3rd median quartile*.5
> agil would b 975
> str would be 1375
I don't know why you need quartiles for this, but most any value around a thousand should work. Just keep these in mind:
* Sensible values are in the <100, 2500> range.
* The att_sim for an attribute, before factoring in CTI, must be the same for all Dwarves.
I still think that taking an old fort and looking at attribute gains there (att -initial) would be a good way to make an informed guess on good att_sim values. They would be good for agility, strength, endurance and so on, OK for things like memory and creativity and negative for musicality.
Post by: thistleknot on January 31, 2013, 02:33:33 pm
First, I'd like to say, that most of these posts are from my phone. Right now I'm at a PC, so I have some time to explain in more detail, but sometimes I try to hit on specific points as quickly as possible which seems to only add to your confusion.
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Ugh, remind me, what do you need to do with the attributes again and why? I think displaying them is already handled, so now you want something to decide which dwarf has better attributes for a job and to do that you want to factor in potential attribute gain over time, yes?
I want to create a weighted average, for attributes , similar to how skills are using (sim1 normalized to a % value) with (current % method using frequency bins, see as formerly described here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3945716;topicseen#msg3945716) or just see below).
Wo when I said
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i wanted to feed the value back into the frequency bin.I meant take your sim3 approach, and put the # back into the formula as described below.
Example for finding % based on an attribute's frequency bin.
The formula uses 98/7 vs 98/6% for each frequency bin, as we've created a new bin for the values past the 7th raw.
Strength:
450:950:1150:1250:1350:1550:2250
There are 6 bin frequencies, we add a 7th by doubling the last value (2250-4500)
98/7=14% per frequency bin.
<450 = <1%
450-950 = 1 - 15%
950-1150 = 15 - 29%
1150-1250 = 29 - 43%
1250-1350 = 43 - 57%
1350-1550 = 57% - 71%
1550 - 2250 = 71% - 85%
2250 - 4500 = 85% - 99%
>4500 = 99%+
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The 4500 is derived from the max possible value a dwarf can have (if he started with the max possible initial value, which is defined in the raw's as 2250) I.e. 2250 x 2 = 4500.
ATT_Sim: (median*.5) + (3rd quartile median*.5)
I just realized I may be wrong about this.
If half the dwarf's have a max gain value of median (because initial embark value is below median)
and the other half have a max value of initial embark value x 2.
Then the halfway point would be median no? If so, then disregard the spoiler which describes what I was trying to do with 3rd quartile and just use median.
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I still think that taking an old fort and looking at attribute gains there (att -initial) would be a good way to make an informed guess on good att_sim values. They would be good for agility, strength, endurance and so on, OK for things like memory and creativity and negative for musicality. Originally DT used to use statistics and the current population to derive %s from. However, since we've deviated from that and tried to hard code everything (see above frequency bin as reference), we were hoping to derive an att_sim based on the raws of an attribute.So the question I was proposing earlier.
Would it be better to use
median of an attribute's possible gain,
average of an attribute's possible gain (would certainly be higher than median), Useful for finding the middle value for att_sim based on any embark dwarf.
max of an attribute's possible gain (i.e. 7th raw value)
The average of an attribute's possible gain could be derived by
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Post by: thistleknot on January 31, 2013, 07:16:15 pm
(pic won't be up forver)
http://i50.tinypic.com/o5artj.jpg
thanks to splinterz
actually, looking how the ordering isn't changed, differences between median based vs 2000 just seems to grow/shrink with edge cases. After comparing the differences between an att_sim of 900 vs 2000, the ordering between the 2 does not change. So I don't think worrying about the att_sim value really has much of an effect on anything, especially the order (i.e. ranking)
http://i45.tinypic.com/9powon.jpg (agility) 2000 vs 900 att_sim
So Idk, maybe try max possible value, and see if the ranking differences is more profound (see ranking differences in next picture)
here's a picture showing the order differences (i.e. rank) of agility (2nd sheet)
left is regular rank compared with att_sim
the right is regular rank compared with att_sim averaged back with the non att_sim derived percent (i.e. original)
http://i46.tinypic.com/141oyg6.jpg
a regular 1-77, and the second is att_sim= 2000
So it shows the order is slightly different (may not even need averaging, but I'd still prefer it), and only gives slight boosts to dwarf's who have a higher potential gain than those without. I.e. a few cases.
ranking diff of attribute rating vs sim_rating
29/75
when averaged back with rating
11/75
ranking diff
http://i47.tinypic.com/4gkkmu.jpg
histogram diff
http://i49.tinypic.com/25ip74j.jpg
Post by: Sutremaine on January 31, 2013, 10:03:55 pm
Post by: thistleknot on January 31, 2013, 10:38:56 pm
Can we have an option to sort dwarves by age? It's kind of a niche use, but if you're trying to get dwarves to socialise and marry they have to be fairly close in age (and also not be siblings or parents. Cousins and aunts/uncles may be fine though).
what state do you live in ;)
Post by: Maklak on February 01, 2013, 12:50:26 pm
sim3 gives you the predicted average attribute value during some some hypothethical gain. If you don't hit a cap, it returns "att + att_sim/2" (the formulas it uses do exactly this, except are more complex to handle the second part. After you hit the cap, value returned by sim3 is between "(att_cap+att)/2" and "att_cap". It increases with att_sim at the speed of "x/(1+x)" (If you really want me to, I can derive the formula for this).
If you don't cap for attribute, then sorting by sim3 is pretty much sorting by att + att_sim/2 and since att_sim is the same for all dwarves, it is the same as sorting by att. I argued with you to get this property. This is why for reasonably low (resembling actual potential to gain for most attributes, like creativity) att_sim, the order doesn't change much and getting att_sim right is not that important.
If some Dwarves start capping out on the attribute because att_sim is big, the caps come into play and those with higher caps can come ahead of those with higher attributes, but lower caps.
Now, why do you need the bins for attributes anyway? For ranking them for the labour optimizer? You said you wanted weighted averages for attributes, but why do you need them in the first place? Unless I understand your motivation and the reasoning behind it, I'm stumbling in the dark here.
> The formula uses 98/7 vs 98/6% for each frequency bin, as we've created a new bin for the values past the 7th raw.
Assuming that 1/7 of each attribute will go above their maximums is rather arbitrary, but I have no suggestions here.
You also need to account for the fact that some interactions (Vampirism in Vanilla, Power Armour Training in FoE) can raise attributes above this value and possibly even above 5000.
> Note: There is talk of changing the 98/7 to something lower like 90/7 to give values <lowest bin (450 in this case) a larger percent, although not by much, since dwarf's can rust away to 0 attributes).
Attribute rust is quite slow, even for things that aren't ever used, like musicality. I've seen less than 50 point drop over 4 years. I'd say starting really low and rusting below the lowest value for migrants is pretty rare, unless you play for tens of years. It has to be accounted for in some way of course.
For most attributes I counteract the rust by setting a lot of labours not influencing quality for my haulers. They will sometimes butcher an animal or smelt some ore and not rust.
> Then the halfway point would be median no?
Lol, yes. Surprisingly enough the median is... median. That's why I told you that it might be a good idea to compute the "average median" for all castes.
I understand your (median + 3rd_quartile)/2 idea. Yes, this would be the average potential for attribute gain for a dwarf, but again, you would want to average it for all castes.
> > I still think that taking an old fort and looking at attribute gains there (att -initial) would be a good way to make an informed guess on good att_sim values. They would be good for agility, strength, endurance and so on, OK for things like memory and creativity and negative for musicality.
This is not about current population. This is about assessment of how much each attribute can rust or increase over the course of normal gameplay. I still think it would be very educational in regard to attribute gain to take a 200+ dwarf fort with 10+ years of history and at least 10 multiple legendary champions and for each attribute dump:
max { att - initial } // maximum gain
min { att - initial } // worst rust
I'm pretty sure this would shed a lot of light over what att_sim values to choose for each attribute. For example if median is 1000 and maximum gain was around 300, you can pretty much assume dwarves will never cap and simply sort them by current values for that attribute. It is only strength, agility, endurance, toughness, willpower, focus, kinesthethic sense and spatial sense that ever increase by enough to make caps relevant. Well, unless someone mods some attributes to be abysmally low.
> Would it be better to use: median of an attribute's possible gain, [...]
Doesn't matter much in my opinion. All of those are pretty close and pretty high. I'd say try to go for realistic (and different for different attributes) values of att_sim and almost never cap, except in rare circumstances.
> The average of an attribute's possible gain could be derived by [...]
Correct, but as I said, realistic gains would be even better (from an old fort).
I don't even know where to look for it in DT code, but once you can get to att and initial, doing a loop over dwarves and writing the results to a file or log or whatever is maybe 50 lines of extra throwaway code.
> I can't do much with those graphs. They have no labels for x or y, no data sets. I don't even know what I'm looking at. I can only assume you took some attribute, made about 70 values increasing from min to max for it, then fed that and the median to sim3. Maybe you even cross the median around value number 45. If this is the case, then well, it looks as I would expect it to.
Speaking of graphs, those things are ugly. Even in something as crude as Excel you can use lines instead of bars, add more horizontal lines and put dataset values on x.
> actually, looking how the ordering isn't changed, differences between median based vs 2000 just seems to grow/shrink with edge cases.
Working as intended, right?
> So Idk, maybe try max possible value, and see if the ranking differences is more profound
For att_sim up to the median, sim3 ordering is very similar to ordering by current attribute value. For att_sim of 2000 or more, caps become important as well. Since you will hardly ever cap an attribute in Fortress Mode, realistic att_sim are below a thousand. Minor differences in att_sim aren't important, but it still should be the same for all dwarves (well, you could argue that this depends on speed and therefore isn't the same, but let's not go there).
> So it shows the order is slightly different (may not even need averaging, but I'd still prefer it), and only gives slight boosts to dwarf's who have a higher potential gain than those without. I.e. a few cases.
I have no explanation for irregularities, unless you didn't use att == initial.
Since you will almost never cap an attribute anyway (I think I never did), I'd say the current attribute value is more important than the cap.
> here's a histogram of the ranking shift (just with att_sim 2000)
Results of sim3 depend on both att and initial. Were they different? Which one did you sort by? If they were different and you sorted by initial, that would explain the irregularities. If you sorted by att or att and initial were the same, there shouldn't be any irregularities and there is a (small) error, either on my or on your part.
sim3 is not some tool that will solve your problems with attributes. All it does is simulate attribute gain and return the average attribute value during that time. You could rewrite sim3 with a loop like this (but this is not a smart way to do it):
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input: att, initial, att_sim, CTI, median
// CTI, att_sim, yada yada.
att_cap = initial + max {initial, median}
int sum = 0;
for (int i=0; i<att_sim; i++)
{ sum += att;
att++;
att = min {att, att_cap}
}
sum /= att_sim;
return sum;
Post by: thistleknot on February 01, 2013, 01:17:20 pm
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now, why do you need the bins for attributes anyway? For ranking them for the labour optimizer? You said you wanted weighted averages for attributes, but why do you need them in the first place? Unless I understand your motivation and the reasoning behind it, I'm stumbling in the dark here.
because we want to match the raw values between attributes to each other in terms of percents.
i.e.
strength
450:950:1150:1250:1350:1550:2250
agility
150:600:800:900:1000:1100:1500
we want 450 strength's percent to equal 150 agility's percent
same for the rest of the attribute's raw values.
so 2250 strength = 1500 agility in terms of percent
okay, I think I understand now about attributes and att_sim. I guess median value is the highest we need to go to then (mainly because they'll hardly ever cap, or possible even hit that much gain). Sorry I didn't post the sheet that I gen'ed the numbers off of. I could later if your interested.
The sheet was sorted by attributes rating (or you could say highest attribute value to lowest attribute).
I believe splinterz modded sim3 to not use initial, and instead use the ingame memory value for att_cap that was already derived ingame.
Post by: Maklak on February 01, 2013, 02:31:51 pm
Ah, OK. I finally get it.
The one problem I see with that is that agility and strength are the most important attributes anyway because they influence speed and faster dwarves are better at everything (walk faster, finish working at workshops faster, better military, everything). Still, DT with high weight for attributes likes to pick my military for all sorts of labours, so it kinda works now.
Well, I'm not sure if sim3 can help you with what you want to do. I believe you're computing a value in <0, 100> for an attribute (the higher the better), then take an unweighed arithmetic average for all relevant attributes.
If values slightly below 0 or slightly above a 100 are not a problem, then a very straightforward method would be to take
(att - min) / (max - min), so for Strength (att -450) / (2250 -450). You would have to check for some edge cases (max == min), or the result of this formula exceeding <-100, 200>, but other than that it should work for all attribute values. Use min and max average for all castes and based on their frequency.
I understand your motivation for attribute bins now, but I am at a loss on how to make it right.
Another simple solution would be to just use att / 5000 for everything, then maybe scale the results to 100%, allowing values above 5k to be above 100%. Sure, you won't get 50% to be the same as median, but you'll get a nice property: linearity. With this simple method 80 is exactly +25% / -20% as good as 100, while with the bin method you don't know.
There are a few things to keep in mind here:
* You are really comparing Dwarves to each other. It doesn't matter if the highest suitability ranking for some dwarf is 100 or 63.8, he is still the best candidate, so he gets the job.
* Extraordinarily good attributes should be rewarded.
* In the end +20% in whichever attribute should get the same ranking improvement for a related job for a dwarf, regardless of which attribute got boosted. The (att - min) / (max - min) formula doesn't have this property.
sim3 can't help much here, I'm afraid. It kinda factors in the cap for an attribute, but sim1 for skill gains and rates was much more useful.
Post by: thistleknot on February 01, 2013, 02:49:39 pm
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The one problem I see with that is that agility and strength are the most important attributes anyway because they influence speed and faster dwarves are better at everything (walk faster, finish working at workshops faster, better military, everything). Still, DT with high weight for attributes likes to pick my military for all sorts of labours, so it kinda works now. This is a custom role issue, you can weight strength/agility higher for the roles that you feel it's important for INSIDE the role editor.Quote
(att - min) / (max - min), so for Strength (att -450) / (2250 -450). You would have to check for some edge cases (max == min), or the result of this formula exceeding <-100, 200>, but other than that it should work for all attribute values. Use min and max average for all castes and based on their frequency.
remember what you said about dwarf's above max bin (i.e. 7th raw?) that wouldn't account for it, it would if we extended it. but that's kind of what we do now. We squeeze 98% of values inbetween 1st bin and double last bin. The remaining 2% are values outside of it. It's the best system we can come up with without using min/max.
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sim3 can't help much here, I'm afraid. It kinda factors in the cap for an attribute, but sim1 for skill gains and rates was much more useful. This is why I wanted to feed the return value (wether it's sim1 or sim3) back into the frequency bin's to get a # that is scaled back to our distribution.UPDATE:
Here's a good formula... so simple in it's simplicity
both attribute values are converted to %'s via the frequency bin's
((Current Attribute * Weight A) + (Max Attribute possible for that Dwarf * Weight B))/(Weight A + Weight B)
It's merely measuring the halfway point between current and max possible for that dwarf.
Currently there is no CTI factor... I would like to figure out a CTI factor, in the end it should be based on (max possible - current)*whatever we want CTI factor to do for us.
Maybe
att_sim = (att_sim * 500) / CTI;
Can be
add value to current (%) =
(((Max - current) * 500) / CTI) (* Weight)
So the whole formula would be
((Current Attribute * Weight A) + ((
(Max Attribute possible for that Dwarf - Current Attribute) * 500 / CTI ) * Weight B))
/
(Weight A + Weight B)
that's it.
it does produce higher numbers on average (as expected), but the rankings do differ.
If we can mitigate this:
(Max Attribute possible for that Dwarf - Current Attribute) * 500 / CTI )
from ever being greater than (max - current), we're good, but now that I'm looking at it, I don't think it can...
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double normalised_XP = 0.5 * (1.0 - jobs_left/290.0); // Scaled to <-49.5, 0.5>where whatever value you get, you factor it down to <.5
maybe something like this
.5 * (1-((Max - current)*(500/CTI)))[/s]
Yeah, I don't think that was the answer...
I think i I'm onto something, but I can't figure out how to incorporate CTI
I think the answer is here
normalised_XP = -0.5 / (normalised_XP - 1.0);
Post by: Ryusho on February 02, 2013, 05:24:00 am
Post by: thistleknot on February 02, 2013, 03:13:59 pm
deletes a bunch of erroneous code
tada!
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float mod_att_value(int CTI, int max, int current)
{
const int defaultCTI = 500; //set as default... values above/below will adjust accordingly.
//int CTI; //Cost to improve as described via tokens.
//int max; //dwarf's max attribute
//int current; //dwarf's current attribute
float mod_Att_Value;
float add_value;
float gap = (float(max) - float(current)) * defaultCTI / CTI;
float normalized_gap = 0.5 * (1 - gap / (float(max) - float(current)));
if (normalized_gap >= 0)
normalized_gap += 0.5; // Values <0, 0.5> reserved for those suitable for a task.
else
normalized_gap = -0.5 / (normalised_gap - 1.0);
add_value = normalized_gap * gap;
mod_Att_Value = current + add_value; //can weight mod_Att_Value against current value for weighted average
return mod_Att_Value;
}so the only issue with this... is IT WILL NOT WORK WITH ANY NEGATIVE CTI. I had a formula that was kind of working for negative CTI's but not really. This seems to work for any positive CTI.
Post by: splinterz on February 03, 2013, 11:46:12 am
I know I feel slightly stupid right now, for asking this, but may I ask if there are any recomendations on how to set up the optimizer for your forts? I was trying to figure it otu a bit ago, and...I saw some strange selections by it, so I feel I was being absolutely -stupid- with what I was telling it to keep an eye open for >.< then again I was playing Kobold camp with Masterwork at the time so that might be one reason I felt like I did so stupidly with the setup @_@the optimizer sets up pairings between labors and either their related skill, or a chosen role. the skill or role chosen determines 'how to score' each dwarf for the labor or job that needs to be done. the priority column can kind of be thought of as a ranking of importance for the jobs/labors in the optimization plan. a higher priority means there's a better chance of assigning a highly rated worker to the job. the ratio is a way to setup approximately how many workers will actually be assigned to the job or labor.
there are tooltips on everything and the columns will update as you change values so you can get an idea of what will happen. i'm not sure if this helps as i don't know exactly what problems you were having. i'm working on getting a little webpage/manual setup which will explain all the new features i've implemented and in time have examples and samples you can try.
Post by: Gobolinno on February 04, 2013, 01:09:54 am
(as jdrwaf)...
then everyone started talking about scripts and 2000 values and much more complicated stuff (for me!) than
even dwarf fortress itself...
I'm sorry if the answer is somewhere in these last pages but... this feature (aka: edit... yes, cheat!)
is available somewhere, somehow in any release?
O.o?
Post by: thistleknot on February 04, 2013, 11:47:54 am
there's a lot of flack already about how this tool "cheats" even though it doesn't (really), but if it were enabled to do what you speak of, edit attributes... then a lot of people probably wouldn't use it.
it's a philosophical standpoint.
I for one liked those tools you spoke of, and I hope the developers get it working again, but I don't think it belongs in DT.
I think rather if you REALLY want to do what you speak of, use cheat engine and use splinterz version of dwarf therapist .ini files for the memory address
IMO
Post by: Sutremaine on February 04, 2013, 12:50:22 pm
Post by: Gobolinno on February 04, 2013, 08:17:47 pm
Post by: thistleknot on February 04, 2013, 09:04:42 pm
say
a dwarf's strength value
open a process by using window list (if your using dfhack, dfhack shows up as "dwarf fortress (somenumber)" don't choose the window with the number.
try using a dwarf's experience in a skill instead
and then when it increased by a number, I searched for the increased value
once I finally found a dwarf, then I was able to use
v0.34.11_graphics.ini
and it specified the exact difference between dwarf's
(I never figured out how to save cheat engine tables for use with DF :(, i remember they changed when i fired up a new fort).
Another thing you could do is change a dwarf's squad id. I'll post some more when I figure some stuff out
You know, I think it's a counter... their probably isn't a value that stores actual xp... but when the counter reaches a point, the level goes up.
Yeah, it's a counter.
woohoo, found my old notes
Splinterz said
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for memory locations you can't just save the address of an attribute, as when you start a program it will load into memory in (potentially) a different base address each time. you'll need to use the right click in dt and look at the memory dump, plug in the base address for the dwarf, and then the offsets to get to the attributes, each time you want to mess around with cheat engine.
Okay, getting somewhere
right click on the dwarf you want, copy address to clipboard, inside cheat engine click "add address manually" (bottom right) then choose text value type.
Voila, you just got the start of the dwarf's memory address layout (so you can now use the offsets defined in the .ini file, example 0x000 = name, or the starting position). The rest of the offsets can be found from the name starting address.
For example, fire up the windows calculator, copy and paste that value in that you copied from DT (make sure you have the calculator set to programmer and set it to hex mode), and add the offsets to find the other address... the first phys attr is strength. Found it, just set mine to 6000 (to see what happens, but it did have the correct 1st value). try changing the record offsets by 4 to get each new attribute. I'm not sure what the size of a dwarf's object is inside DT, but if you "recalculate new address" you can set the offset to ...
I tried to find the difference in dwarf's, but i was getting b08 (in hex) as the difference between dwarf's... or 2824 decimal address difference. So if you define all the values for one dwarf, you can cycle through them by changing the offset for all the address.
beyond that, i'm not sure how to use cheat enginge (although you can also use it to freeze your fortress' value, embark points, adventurer points!)
Post by: splinterz on February 05, 2013, 05:22:18 am
Yeah, I think DT should just be for observation and for doing stuff that you can do in-game. At the moment the only DT options that DF doesn't have are 'highlight cursed dwarves' and 'allow child labour', and that's okay.yes i agree. it's never been intended to turn it into something like runesmith. i also believe there are a quite a few dfhack scripts and plugins for tweaking values already.
Could someone point me to the memory adresses to use with Cheat Engine?. :'(here you go: https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures
Post by: Meph on February 05, 2013, 05:08:17 pm
We did talk about this a long time ago, and I think it is just perfect as it is. ;) But for testing, bugfixing and people that like to use this "highlight cursed dwarves" it would be nice to have the option to see them. I dont know of any other mod using this system (I think LFR is planning on an addition though) so I dont know if you want to add it as a feature.
If yes, all you would have to do is add an option to sort dwarves by caste-id. I think some people that play my mod, including me, would be greatful for the option. :)
Post by: splinterz on February 05, 2013, 05:59:18 pm
I sometimes get posts by people saying that they can see my custom written "cursed dwarves" with dfhack. Which is not true. My disease carriyng migrants, cults, possessed dwarves, and so forth ARE invisible. They use a caste system, but the caste name is identical to the normal dwarves, so the Therapist sorts them to the normal castes.
We did talk about this a long time ago, and I think it is just perfect as it is. ;) But for testing, bugfixing and people that like to use this "highlight cursed dwarves" it would be nice to have the option to see them. I dont know of any other mod using this system (I think LFR is planning on an addition though) so I dont know if you want to add it as a feature.
If yes, all you would have to do is add an option to sort dwarves by caste-id. I think some people that play my mod, including me, would be greatful for the option. :)
by sort, do you mean group by? so these special caste dwarves don't actually have a curse, they're just a special caste?
Post by: thistleknot on February 05, 2013, 08:04:35 pm
a status icon column.
I'm wondering how many of my dwarf's are thirsty
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Status_icon
i don't see any thirsty icons, but I'm wondering if anyone is still thirsty after my supposed wells are in place).
Post by: splinterz on February 06, 2013, 05:23:07 am
New Feature request... not sure if anyone wants it. (and I'd hate to hold up a new release). a status icon column. I'm wondering how many of my dwarf's are thirsty (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Status_icon) i don't see any thirsty icons, but I'm wondering if anyone is still thirsty after my supposed wells are in place).
most of the status icons are spread among different properties of a dwarf (health, happiness, thoughts, statuses, moods, etc..) most of these are already accessible in DT in some form or another. for example you could probably gauge the amount of thirsty dwarves by monitoring the amount of thirsty/dehydrated thoughts in the population (thoughts are in the upcoming release!), but obviously that will have a bit of a delay. a dwarf will also often have multiple status icons that will cycle in DF, which isn't really practical to implement in DT.
that said, health statuses like hunger and thirst will be visible when i get around to attempting a health grid view so you can also see who is injured, and how badly (similar to the z->health overview within DF). it's been asked for multiple times and may be a nice addition.
Post by: Maklak on February 07, 2013, 07:57:53 am
> the formula is quite simple... involves ((max possible - current value) + current value) /2
If this is what you want to use for attributes, sim3 with 2000 simulated gains will do a better job. Caps don't even matter most of the time and when they do, it is only when a dwarf is close to his cap. This thing is like using sim3, with simulating different gains for different dwarves (and not because of different CTI for castes), which I already argued against.
If you want me to map an interval into another interval, with some values mapped to fixed points, I can construct a transformation for you, but I need to understand exactly what you want.
> on the cheating df2012 thread, it was mentioned that the CTI could be negative... I hope not.
Personally I'd lower cap the CTI at +1. There is some evidence that this is a counter and attribute improves when that counter exceeds CTI. That means values below 0 would be meaningless and anything below a 100 would make for very fast gains anyway.
> > (att - min) / (max - min), so for Strength (att -450) / (2250 -450). You would have to check for some edge cases (max == min), or the result of this formula exceeding <-100, 200>, but other than that it should work for all attribute values. Use min and max average for all castes and based on their frequency.
> Remember what you said about dwarf's above max bin (i.e. 7th raw?) that wouldn't account for it, it would if we extended it. but that's kind of what we do now. We squeeze 98% of values inbetween 1st bin and double last bin. The remaining 2% are values outside of it. It's the best system we can come up with without using min/max.
I can't really tweak your system to be better. I'm just arguing that it isn't linear, which is a nasty property and try to propose something else. I also disagree with how you map attributes to <0, 100> as it isn't linear, but for the most part your approach might be OKayish.
> ((Current Attribute * Weight A) + (Max Attribute possible for that Dwarf * Weight B))/(Weight A + Weight B)
sim3 is still better than this. It factors in the CTI and returns higher values for lower CTI.
> (((Max - current) * 500) / CTI) (* Weight)
Wrong. For low CTI this can return values well above Max, which is an error. The formula that follows is erroneous for the same reason.
> If we can mitigate this: from ever being greater than (max - current), we're good, but now that I'm looking at it, I don't think it can.
> I think the answer is here: normalised_XP = -0.5 / (normalised_XP - 1.0);
No, it's not. It is true that you could take var = (((Max - current) * 500) / CTI) (* Weight), then use (x / (1+x)) to force it to stay below Max, but this is bogus. I really don't like it when you play around with math without understanding the reasons behind this math.
Ah, you did just that with your code. Well, I haven't made a graph of it. By the looks of it, for the same CTI the order will be correct, but it will have some irregularities and will definitely not be linear.
I still say it would be a better idea to just use sim3 for attributes, taking the att_sim values as either maximums or minimums from an old fort and call it a day.
* sim3 will always give you a value between current and max.
* It factors in CTI the way it is used.
* It is linear if you don't cap an attribute.
* When you do cap, it increases slower.
As a side not, if you map all attributes to <0, 100> but let people set weights when aggregating them into "how good are these attributes for this job", some irregularities can be fixed by correct weights, but finding those correct weights is no easy task.
> Dwarf Therapist as a tool to cheat.
For me it could go both ways. As long as I have a tool to "cheat" (that I'd use for testing rather than cheating), I'm fine. If DF does allows cheating, like it does with child labour now, but has a clearly labelled option to enable it, that's disabled by default, I'm also fine.
> yes i agree. it's never been intended to turn it into something like runesmith. i also believe there are a quite a few dfhack scripts and plugins for tweaking values already.
Well, I guess that settles it, then.
Post by: thistleknot on February 07, 2013, 09:20:37 am
Ah, you did just that with your code. Well, I haven't made a graph of it. By the looks of it, for the same CTI the order will be correct, but it will have some irregularities and will definitely not be linear.
I still say it would be a better idea to just use sim3 for attributes, taking the att_sim values as either maximums or minimums from an old fort and call it a day.
It factors in the CTI and returns higher values for lower CTI.
well I was proposing a weight of 1 to .5 which would give values of 12.5% between current and max rather than trying to find values from old forts (what of users that use training rooms?)
I never expected it to be linear, how can it be linear if a max cti value is not known? So I based it around 500 CTI.
Mine returns higher values for lower CTI's as well.
So what are the irregularities? Have you graphed it (I have, they seem pretty similar in ranking). I know what your formula (the one I based this one off of) does, it takes an infinite scale and makes it finite. That much I learned from your example. I based it from 0 to 500, and 500 to infinite. I don't see anything wrong with that. I just don't understand the sim3 as much and didn't like the arbitrary 2000 att_sim value, although you had a proposed fix for it, I had one that didn't need a fix.
Which was to base it on (current value + max value)/2
I used your infinite mapping method to account for CTI values, and using weights, a player can set what he thinks his max possible progression should be. default is 25% between current and max since it's
(((current value + max value)/2 ) * weightA) + (current value * weightb) / (weighta + weightb)
if weights are equal, it's really doing (((current value + max value)/2) + current value) /2
btw, you like to read and type as you respond, ever consider to read the entire email first and then respond on a second read? I'm not sure if I do this... I know I don't go back and edit my emails once I figure something out (I try to using strikethrough)
Post by: Maklak on February 07, 2013, 01:38:13 pm
Values from old forts would just help to differentiate attributes and not treat them all equally. Coin tossers and danger rooms would just train some attributes to their maximums (if threre indeed are caps in Fortress Mode), which is even better to have an educated guess on how which high attributes can improve during gameplay.
> I never expected it to be linear, how can it be linear if a max cti value is not known? So I based it around 500 CTI.
For very high CTI, an attribute shouldn't improve at all and current value should be the only one important. sim3 does exactly this, as it should. What does your piece of code do?
First it makes gap into a small positive value.
It makes normalised_gap to be just below 0.5, then just below 1.
add_value becomes a small positive number.
mod_Att_Value becomes just above current and is returned.
OK, this test passed.
What about the other extreme, (CTI == 1) ? The correct return value is max. Sim3 returns max -1 or similar.
gap = (max - curr) * 500 / CTI
normalised_gap = 0.5 - 500 / CTI
normalised_gap = 0.5 / (0.5 + 500/CTI)
add_value = (max - curr) * (500 / CTI) * 0.5 / (0.5 + 500/CTI)
For small CTI that's slightly below (max-curr) * 0.5
mod_Att_Value = 0.5 * (max + curr) or slightly below.
Test failed. And I didn't even get into what happens for other values. For very low CTI only the maximum and not the current value matters. For your method the maximum value is (current + max) /2.
This approach produces some numbers and may be OK for sorting attributes, but it has weird properties. No, I haven't even bothered to graph it.
BTW, in case you didn't notice this yourself, your graphs for sim3 had 2 intervals where they were linear: before the cap and after the cap.
> Mine returns higher values for lower CTI's as well.
Monotonicity of this function is necessary, so are the correct edge values, but it isn't good enough for aggregating it with an arithmetic mean with other things.
> I just don't understand the sim3 as much and didn't like the arbitrary 2000 att_sim value, although you had a proposed fix for it, I had one that didn't need a fix.
I agree, but only because it cannot be fixed, much as my method for skill gain using a similar formula couldn't be fixed and I called it ugly. To remove the arbitrary 2000 att_sim I proposed getting some values from an old fort and having different att_sim values for different attributes, to which you objected.
(((current value + max value)/2 ) * weightA) + (current value * weightb) / (weighta + weightb)
Well, at least I can set weightb to be much higher than weightA and be done with it.
BTW, your method breaks for current > max (possible with syndromes) and low CTI, while sim3 doesn't. It just returns current.
> you like to read and type as you respond, ever consider to read the entire email first and then respond on a second read?
I always read both what I respond to and my response several times.
I grew tired of arguing over this and want to move on to other things. I cared about the skill learning rates because it's going to be useful to me. I don't really use the role recommendations and while I would like that part done as best as it can be, I can just take them with a big grain of salt and hand-pick the dwarves I want. Do what you think is best.
EDIT: Well, OK, maybe I'm wrong here somewhere. I was wrong before a few times. Thing is, it no longer matters to me. If it did, I'd make some graphs and study them.
Post by: thistleknot on February 07, 2013, 02:41:41 pm
im pretty sure your wrong. only for cti 500 is max (current + max)/2
for cti of 1 it does return close to max value
ex.
current 1500 max 3000 cti 1
returns 2994.0299
theres a gap value thats multiplied against and this creates an add value that closes the gap.
so it does pass your second test. i tested all this myself in a similar fashion to ensure it reached near max. ill have to post the google sheet later.
btw. we did a simple fix for values over or at max. we just returm current.
not sure on this one
the problem with all this code, is we need to figure it out, because Splinterz is on the cusp of his next release, and you keep getting my formula wrong... dogging it and all is frustrating when your saying incorrect things about it.
I don't really care what formula we use, but it irks me when you say it's broken, but you point out things that aren't broken.
so it makes it harder for Splinterz to figure out what goes into v20.
I'm working on getting a comparison between your sim3 and mine right now, going to graph it and display it.
update:
now it's my turn.
yours and mine seem to be on par with each other... until you get to 1 CTI, then what happens?
your's goes negative... in all fairness though, it only does it for 1, and not 2...
This all started because I want to feed the values back into the bins (which I now firmly believe can be done safely), so I came up with a formula I understood in order to do so, but now I understand how att_sim works... so I don't think it matters if we feed it in or not, it just scales things back down to the normal bin frequencys (Splinterz concern all along was your formula was producing really large #'s... which to be honest, could have just been re-merged with the original value, which I was doing... so like I said, I don't care what value we use).
here's sim3 vs my code, and to be honest, they produce VERY SIMILAR NUMBERS, yet mine produces numbers that work with any range of CTI 1 to 1000+... to be honest, the code is in your credit, I had no idea how to reduce the scale, but it's more workable, and doesn't need to cap any values to work
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#include <iostream>
#include<stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
using namespace std;
const int default_cti = 500; //set as default... values above/below will adjust accordingly.
int sim3 (int att, int cap, int CTI)
{
if (att > cap)
return att;
int sim_value = 2000;
int att_sim = sim_value * default_cti / CTI; //default_cti could be a weighted average of all cti's.
int max_delta = (cap - att) > att_sim? att_sim : (cap - att);
long ret = ((att + att + max_delta) * max_delta) /2 ;
ret += (att_sim - max_delta) * cap;
ret /= att_sim;
return (int)ret;
}
int mySim (int att, int cap, int CTI)
{
//int CTI; //Cost to improve as described via tokens.
//int max; //dwarf's max attribute
//int current; //dwarf's current attribute
float mod_Att_Value;
float add_value;
if(att>=5000)
{
return 5000;
}
float gap = (float(cap) - float(att)) * default_cti / CTI;
float normalized_gap = 0.5 * (1 - gap / (float(cap) - float(att)));
if (normalized_gap >= 0)
normalized_gap += 0.5; // Values <0, 0.5> reserved for those suitable for a task.
else
normalized_gap = -0.5 / (normalized_gap - 1.0);
add_value = normalized_gap * gap;
mod_Att_Value = att + add_value; //can weight mod_Att_Value against current value for weighted average
return int(mod_Att_Value);
}
int main()
{
int ret = 3;
int att;
int cap;
int CTI;
//att_sim is based on median possible gain, not sure if it should be based on average possible gain, or median possible gain, or max possible gain
//formula is ((median*.5) + (((5th bin + 6th bin)/2) *.5)
/*
450:950:1150:1250:1350:1550:2250
(1250*.5)+((1350+1550)/2)*.5
=1350
*/
printf("input:\n current, cap, CTI\n\n");
printf("output:\n current, cap, CTI, sim3, mine\n\n");
while (ret = scanf("%d %d %d", &att, &cap, &CTI) == 3)
{
printf("%d, %d, %d, %d, %d\n", att, cap, CTI, sim3(att, cap, CTI), mySim(att, cap, CTI));
}
return 0;
}
I will post some sheets to show comparisons.
and here's a spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvBdaXUaNVMndEFqV2pkckJjeFFvRkM4RjBNcjU1WEE&output=html
just in case this didn't get posted on google docs and linked properly
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
we're honestly crying over small differences... I'm just going to chock it up to you not following my formula through all the way. However, you seem to be quite aloof to reading about things you have an understanding of (I'm choosing my words carefully here)...
which means you miss the details (hence the comment on reading/responding to emails).
I'm saying here, that my formula does account for low CTI's, as you can see, as well as high CTI's...
so what's the diff. The only reason I created it was to feed it back into the frequency bins... I know what mine's doing, yours is doing some area measurements under some sort of curve that I don't get, but they do the same thing in the end, graph it any which way you want, and give some honest feedback (please, lets just comment and be honest in the shortcomings).
question?
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BTW, in case you didn't notice this yourself, your graphs for sim3 had 2 intervals where they were linear: before the cap and after the cap.??? link please?
Hey Maklak...
I don't want you thinking I'm hating on you, I'm just trying to figure this shit out. If we can't implement it without not knowing how it works, it's like magic to us...
I've been rereading, and you posted this
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sim3 gives you the predicted average attribute value during some some hypothethical gain. If you don't hit a cap, it returns "att + att_sim/2" (the formulas it uses do exactly this, except are more complex to handle the second part. After you hit the cap, value returned by sim3 is between "(att_cap+att)/2" and "att_cap". It increases with att_sim at the speed of "x/(1+x)" (If you really want me to, I can derive the formula for this).
which looks quite similar to my (current + max)/2 concept...
so I think we're hitting on the same things, maybe you can explain SUPER LAMEN terms how what I conjured compares with yours (I know you don't owe us that, but if you present it, then Splinterz will understand, and be that much better to make his decision on v20!)...
Update:
Here's a pic of it graphed (sorted by current smallest to largest, cap smallest to largest, cti largest to smallest)
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Post by: Meph on February 08, 2013, 02:35:38 am
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by sort, do you mean group by? so these special caste dwarves don't actually have a curse, they're just a special caste?
Yes, exactly. They have not been cursed, but instead are a caste with an interaction. This way I can affect the chance of them arriving (with population ratio). If I would use curses it would be completely random.
Oh, I also have another report: When I leftclick on the grid, for example for "toggle farming" then it only turns all farming on for all dwarves. But it cant turn it off.
Post by: Raven on February 08, 2013, 06:55:18 am
what is the lates version? is it possible to update the opening post with the lates news?
Post by: splinterz on February 08, 2013, 07:19:09 am
for this bug, you're just clicking an individual cell to turn on the labor, but you can't click it again to turn it off? does it flicker off and then back on? if you wait a second before clicking to turn it off does it work?Quoteby sort, do you mean group by? so these special caste dwarves don't actually have a curse, they're just a special caste?
Yes, exactly. They have not been cursed, but instead are a caste with an interaction. This way I can affect the chance of them arriving (with population ratio). If I would use curses it would be completely random.
Oh, I also have another report: When I leftclick on the grid, for example for "toggle farming" then it only turns all farming on for all dwarves. But it cant turn it off.
Hi all, one of my friends is having a strange problem with the version 0.6.12, it seems that is lists even dead dwarves in the dwarf tabelunfortunately DwarfEngineer hasn't been around for quite some time. i've branched the 'official' version and you can check it out in my signature. if you want to keep the old version, but fix the problem with the dead dwarves showing up, you'll need to copy the flags sections at the bottom of the ini files from my branch (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/#hg%2Fetc%2Fmemory_layouts%2Fwindows%253Fstate%253Dclosed) to your current version.
what is the lates version? is it possible to update the opening post with the lates news?
Post by: Meph on February 08, 2013, 07:40:49 am
What I mean is RIGHT-Clicking, which opens a little menu that says: Toggle "labor-group-name-here". For example toggle all farming labors, or toggle all hauling labors. When I press on it, all labors of that group are turned on. But it wont turn them off. Its not the little delay that you usually have when left-clicking on the labor name.
Here is a screenshot:
(http://i.imgur.com/AgZbW8e.png)
I did a quick testrun, and it works up to 11 dwarves in one group. If I try to toggle groups with 1-11 dwarves, it works, it toggles both on and off. If I try on a group with 12+ dwarves, it only toggles it on, but not off. Strange.
Edit: oh, and once I am here already: Is there a hotkey (or option) to toggle ALL labors, for all dwarves?
Post by: splinterz on February 08, 2013, 07:47:06 am
Post by: Meph on February 08, 2013, 07:52:43 am
Quote
Edit: oh, and once I am here already: Is there a hotkey (or option) to toggle ALL labors, for all dwarves?
Post by: Raven on February 08, 2013, 07:55:00 am
for this bug, you're just clicking an individual cell to turn on the labor, but you can't click it again to turn it off? does it flicker off and then back on? if you wait a second before clicking to turn it off does it work?Quoteby sort, do you mean group by? so these special caste dwarves don't actually have a curse, they're just a special caste?
Yes, exactly. They have not been cursed, but instead are a caste with an interaction. This way I can affect the chance of them arriving (with population ratio). If I would use curses it would be completely random.
Oh, I also have another report: When I leftclick on the grid, for example for "toggle farming" then it only turns all farming on for all dwarves. But it cant turn it off.Hi all, one of my friends is having a strange problem with the version 0.6.12, it seems that is lists even dead dwarves in the dwarf tabelunfortunately DwarfEngineer hasn't been around for quite some time. i've branched the 'official' version and you can check it out in my signature. if you want to keep the old version, but fix the problem with the dead dwarves showing up, you'll need to copy the flags sections at the bottom of the ini files from my branch (http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/#hg%2Fetc%2Fmemory_layouts%2Fwindows%253Fstate%253Dclosed) to your current version.
what is the lates version? is it possible to update the opening post with the lates news?
if I recall correctly, your version has more options than the base version so I'll simply suggest your branch version ;) thanks
Post by: splinterz on February 08, 2013, 07:57:27 am
Its not delayed, it simply does not happen. I tried several groups, castes... but anyway, if you cant reproduce it, it is my system or mod. Either way not a big issue. I wouldnt think about. I will see if it works with a different save, once I play a bit more.QuoteEdit: oh, and once I am here already: Is there a hotkey (or option) to toggle ALL labors, for all dwarves?
weird... the next version will have CTRL+A set to select all dwarfs, so i'll add another menu in the right click to assign all labors, similar to the current one to clear all labors. should be sufficient yeah?
Post by: Nkosi_SW on February 08, 2013, 03:01:24 pm
Post by: splinterz on February 08, 2013, 03:15:00 pm
Just a minor bug report: When you go to "Set Nickname..." in DT through right-clicking on a Dwarf's name, you aren't allowed to enter nicknames longer than 16 characters, getting the message "Nickname must be under 16 characters long". But in DF itself, you can set nicknames up to 39 characters long.this is a technical barrier, not a bug. since dwarf therapist doesn't run within the address space of dwarf fortress, it's unable to allocate any new memory, which is necessary for strings longer than the normal buffer size.
once i figure out a way to use dfhack as a back-end (haha, i can dream right?) issues like these will disappear.
Edit: i've changed the message to explain better that it's a technical issue and to set the nickname in game if a long name is required for clarity
Post by: Skin36 on February 09, 2013, 06:13:48 am
http://code.google.com/r/splintermind-attributes/source/browse/etc/game_data.ini
5\attributes\2\id=kinesthetic ability
kinesthetic sense
may be ?
60\attributes\1\id=creatvity
creativity
may be ?
71\attributes\2\id=toughess
toughness
may be ?
Post by: Parhelion on February 10, 2013, 07:10:03 pm
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I am cross-posting this from the Masterwork thread, since I'm still not entirely sure which dev team would be most likely to know what's going on here --
When I attempt to run the copy of Dwarf Therapist bundled with the current version of Masterwork (alpha 2f), I get a "DwarfTherapist.exe has stopped working" error the moment after the screen for it pops up. This occurs regardless of whether DF is running or where the exe is placed. I also rebooted my PC (because turning it off and on again is the best IT advice I've ever given).
When I attempt a version of Dwarf Therapist (Version 0.6.12 - Branch 16.1) that was bundled with an older copy of Masterwork, it runs as expected.
The following is the log from D Therapist:
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2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.327 INFO core Dwarf Therapist "0.6.12" starting normally. [src\dwarftherapist.cpp:123] (setup_logging)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.463 INFO core Loaded 8 views from disk [src\viewmanager.cpp:139] (reload_views)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.464 DEBUG core group_by now set to 0 [src\models\dwarfmodel.cpp:766] (set_group_by)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.468 DEBUG core group_by now set to 0 [src\models\dwarfmodel.cpp:766] (set_group_by)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.468 DEBUG core "redrew views in 5ms" [src\viewmanager.cpp:259] (draw_views)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.477 DEBUG core setting up connections for MainWindow [src\mainwindow.cpp:141] (MainWindow)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.480 DEBUG core group_by now set to 1 [src\models\dwarfmodel.cpp:766] (set_group_by)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.480 DEBUG core group_by now set to 1 [src\models\dwarfmodel.cpp:766] (set_group_by)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.481 DEBUG core beginning to read settings [src\dwarftherapist.cpp:145] (read_settings)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.515 DEBUG core finished reading settings [src\dwarftherapist.cpp:201] (read_settings)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.559 DEBUG core attempting connection to running DF game [src\mainwindow.cpp:263] (connect_to_df)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.563 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.11 (graphics)" "0x4fcc9488" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.564 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.10 (graphics)" "0x4fba073a" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.565 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.09 (graphics)" "0x4fb4c506" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.566 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.08 (graphics)" "0x4fb0ccba" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.566 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.07 (legacy)" "0x4f7592fe" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.567 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.07 (graphics)" "0x4f7592fe" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.567 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.06 (legacy)" "0x4f6c279c" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.568 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.06 (graphics)" "0x4f6c34ca" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.569 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.05 (legacy)" "0x4f55e19c" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.569 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.05 (graphics)" "0x4f55f23e" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.570 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.04 (legacy)" "0x4f4d8635" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.570 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.04 (graphics)" "0x4f4d9726" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.571 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.03 (legacy)" "0x4f4cd85b" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.571 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.03 (legacy)" "0x4f4cd85b" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.572 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.02 (legacy)" "0x4f3f76bf" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.572 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.02 (graphics)" "0x4f3f88bc" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.573 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.01 (legacy)" "0x4f390718" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.573 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.34.01 (graphics)" "0x4f391a33" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.574 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.25 (legacy)" "0x4d9068da" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.574 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.25 (graphics)" "0x4d90764f" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.575 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.24 (legacy)" "0x4d8f2994" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.575 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.24 (graphics)" "0x4d8f39f9" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.575 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.23 (legacy)" "0x4d8dd5a2" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.576 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.23 (graphics)" "0x4d8de854" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.576 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.22 (legacy)" "0x4d8b1dce" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.577 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.22 (graphics)" "0x4d8b30fc" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.577 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.21 (legacy)" "0x4d743206" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.578 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.21 (graphics)" "0x4d743da7" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.578 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.20 (legacy)" "0x4d72f10d" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.579 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.20 (graphics)" "0x4d734fb5" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.579 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.19 (legacy)" "0x4d5b9f3c" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.580 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.19 (graphics)" "0x4d5bc345" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.580 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.18 (legacy)" "0x4ce278c2" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.580 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.18 (graphics)" "0x4ce2841d" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.581 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.17 (legacy)" "0x4cdc0c76" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.581 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.17 (graphics)" "0x4cdc27a0" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.582 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.16 (legacy)" "0x4ca9c859" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.582 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.16 (graphics)" "0x4ca9d544" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.583 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.15 (legacy)" "0x4ca859cd" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.583 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.15 (graphics)" "0x4ca869ea" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.583 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.14 (legacy)" "0x4c9b4c27" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.584 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.14 (graphics)" "0x4c9b6efb" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.584 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.13 (legacy)" "0x4c908b66" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.584 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.13 (graphics)" "0x4c90ada8" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.585 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.12 (legacy)" "0x4c4c1527" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.585 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.12 (graphics)" "0x4c4c32e7" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.586 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.11 (legacy)" "0x4c495d9f" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.586 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.11 (graphics)" "0x4c496d93" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.586 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.10 (legacy)" "0x4c397516" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.587 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.10 (graphics)" "0x4c398089" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.587 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.08 (legacy)" "0x4c1d60a0" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.588 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.08 (graphics)" "0x4c1d69fe" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.588 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.06 (legacy)" "0x4c0f6a01" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.589 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.06 (graphics)" "0x4c0f83d5" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.589 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.05 (legacy)" "0x4c090730" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.589 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.05 (graphics)" "0x4c091569" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.590 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.04 (legacy)" "0x4befdde5" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.590 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.04 (graphics)" "0x4bf014fa" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.590 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.03" "0x4bc3c470" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.591 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.02" "0x4bbdf378" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.591 DEBUG core adding valid layout "v0.31.01" "0x4bb45f99" [src\dfinstance.cpp:111] (DFInstance)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.591 DEBUG core attempting to find running copy of DF by window handle [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:191] (find_running_copy)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.591 DEBUG core found copy with HWND: 0x3033a [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:207] (find_running_copy)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.591 DEBUG core PID of process is: 2052 [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:214] (find_running_copy)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.591 DEBUG core PROC HANDLE: 0x560 [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:222] (find_running_copy)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.591 DEBUG core PEB is at: 0xfffde000 [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:228] (find_running_copy)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.591 DEBUG core read 12 bytes BASE ADDR is at: 0xdc0000 [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:241] (find_running_copy)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.592 DEBUG core Target EXE was compiled at "2012-06-04T05:57:12" [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:70] (calculate_checksum)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.592 DEBUG core DF's checksum is: "0x4fcc9488" [src\dfinstance.cpp:1254] (get_memory_layout)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.592 INFO core Detected Dwarf Fortress version "v0.34.11 (graphics)" using MemoryLayout from "C:/Users/Sarah/Desktop/DwarfTherapist/etc/memory_layouts/windows/v0.34.11_graphics.ini" [src\dfinstance.cpp:1266] (get_memory_layout)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.592 DEBUG core base address: "0x00dc0000" [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:263] (find_running_copy)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.592 DEBUG core memory correction: "0x009c0000" [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:264] (find_running_copy)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.598 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 844 rejected 298 total 1142 [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:370] (map_virtual_memory)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.598 DEBUG core GetModuleFileNameEx returned: "C:\Users\Sarah\Desktop\MasterworkDF 2f\Dwarf Fortress\Dwarf Fortress.exe" [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:277] (find_running_copy)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.598 INFO core Dwarf fortress path: "C:/Users/Sarah/Desktop/MasterworkDF 2f/Dwarf Fortress" [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:280] (find_running_copy)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.602 DEBUG core Connection to DF version "v0.34.11 (graphics)" established. [src\mainwindow.cpp:322] (connect_to_df)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.607 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 844 rejected 298 total 1142 [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:370] (map_virtual_memory)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.607 DEBUG core Loading language translation tables [src\languages.cpp:53] (load_data)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.607 DEBUG core Loading generic strings from 222e8e0 [src\languages.cpp:67] (load_data)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.607 DEBUG core generic words 0 [src\languages.cpp:69] (load_data)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.645 INFO core Loaded 8 views from disk [src\viewmanager.cpp:139] (reload_views)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.651 DEBUG core MEMORY SEGMENT SUMMARY: accepted 844 rejected 298 total 1142 [src\dfinstancewindows.cpp:370] (map_virtual_memory)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.651 DEBUG core loading creatures from "0x021ea988" "0x0182a988" (UNCORRECTED) [src\dfinstance.cpp:372] (load_dwarves)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.651 DEBUG core dwarf race index "0x02016ffc" "0x01656ffc" (UNCORRECTED) [src\dfinstance.cpp:374] (load_dwarves)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.651 DEBUG core current year "0x01a1d32c" "0x0105d32c" (UNCORRECTED) [src\dfinstance.cpp:376] (load_dwarves)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.651 DEBUG core civilization id: "0x00000000" [src\dfinstance.cpp:382] (load_dwarves)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.651 DEBUG core dwarf race: "0x00000000" [src\dfinstance.cpp:386] (load_dwarves)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.651 DEBUG core current year: 0 [src\dfinstance.cpp:389] (load_dwarves)
2013-Feb-10 18:06:12.651 DEBUG core no active units (embark) using full unit list [src\dfinstance.cpp:788] (get_creatures)
Post by: splinterz on February 11, 2013, 02:16:51 am
EDITED: The issue described below was resolved after I created another user account on my PC. My original was an Administrator, so it wasn't an access issue. My next question would be if Dwarf Therapist requires the creation of registry keys, which is an issue I have had in the past with the computer.no there aren't any registry keys written by DT. try renaming your Dwarf Therapist.ini file (users\your_username_here\appdata\roaming\udp software\dwarf therapist.ini) and run DT.
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I am cross-posting this from the Masterwork thread, since I'm still not entirely sure which dev team would be most likely to know what's going on here --
When I attempt to run the copy of Dwarf Therapist bundled with the current version of Masterwork (alpha 2f), I get a "DwarfTherapist.exe has stopped working" error the moment after the screen for it pops up. This occurs regardless of whether DF is running or where the exe is placed. I also rebooted my PC (because turning it off and on again is the best IT advice I've ever given).
When I attempt a version of Dwarf Therapist (Version 0.6.12 - Branch 16.1) that was bundled with an older copy of Masterwork, it runs as expected.
The following is the log from D Therapist:Spoiler: log file (click to show/hide)
if that works, then there's a problem in the ini file, which is probably the case as creating a new user account resolved the issue. i've encountered this issue once recently and it was caused by the [window] section in the ini file being corrupted or something, so you can try removing that in the original ini file and see if that resolves the issue as well.
Post by: Maklak on February 12, 2013, 03:25:49 pm
> im pretty sure your wrong. [Estimating Thistleknot's function return value]
A miscalculation on my part? Let me see.
What about the other extreme, (CTI == 1) ? The correct return value is max. Sim3 returns max -1 or similar.
gap = (max - curr) * 500 / CTI
normalised_gap = 0.5 - 250 / CTI // There was an error here and it propagated.
normalised_gap = 0.5 / (0.5 + 250/CTI)
normalised_gap = 1 / (1 + 500/CTI)
add_value = (max - curr) * (500 / CTI) * 1 / (1 + 500/CTI)
For small CTI that's slightly below (max-curr)
mod_Att_Value is slightly below max.
Yes, I admit, that this edge value is correct.
> btw. we did a simple fix for values over or at max. we just returm current.
Good. Small things like this tend to lead to bugs. The code you provided also lacks things like capping cap at 5000, capping the CTI at 1, checking if current attribute value is positive. You know, the sanity checks.
> the problem with all this code, is we need to figure it out, because Splinterz is on the cusp of his next release, and you keep getting my formula wrong... dogging it and all is frustrating when your saying incorrect things about it.
Sigh. Well, yes, I admit, I should have spent some time playing around with it and making graphs. I just like it less than sim3 on principle; in my experience current value of attributes is what matters most.
> so it makes it harder for Splinterz to figure out what goes into v20.
Yeah, about that. I get into heated discussions with Thistleknot. I'm often right, but also sometimes wrong. There is some bad emotional fallout from that and it is counter-productive to make Dwarf Therapist better. Sorry about that, Splinterz.
> This all started because I want to feed the values back into the bins (which I now firmly believe can be done safely)
I seem to fail to make a thought leap here. On one side you have your bins that try to approximate attribute distribution and map it to probability of value this or smaller. On the other side there are methods to factor in current value of an attribute as well as it's max value and CTI. I fail to see how to connect them. I'm not saying there is no connections, just that I lack an epiphany here.
I think the "normal" values for CTI would be 100 to 2000, even for mods. 1 CTI or less is a really abnormal case. The 1/x function behaves nicely enough where x is within an order of magnitude from 1. In other words, you may be somewhat off from what a human would pick, but the order will be correct at least.
Looking at the code:
> In sim3: //default_cti could be a weighted average of all cti's.
Personally I'd leave it at 500, but as long as you're using the same value the same attribute for all castes, you should be good.
> if(att >= 5000) return 5000;
Well, for such stellar attributes there should probably be a bonus (for example to roles), but this is quite rare, even with modding in "Strength potions" and similar interactions. If values above 5000 would screw something up on a higher level, this is fine.
//att_sim is based on median possible gain, not sure if it should be based on average possible gain, or median possible gain, or max possible gain
Any of the above will work, but I really had "expected average gain for this attribute over a few years" in mind.
> However, you seem to be quite aloof to reading about things you have an understanding of.
I have some degree of mathematical intuition, but in this case the output of both functions looks similar. I should have made some graphs before bashing what you did.
It may be that I understand exactly what I did, but fail to see the logic behind what you did. To me it looks as if you fiddled with formulas at random and got something that worked.
> > BTW, in case you didn't notice this yourself, your graphs for sim3 had 2 intervals where they were linear: before the cap and after the cap.
> Link, please.
Well, there wasn't one. And come to think of it, this is untrue. If sim_gain after factoring in CTI won't cap, then you the function basically returns (curr + sim_gain /2). After it caps, the return value becomes ((cap-curr)*(curr + cap)/2 + (sim_gain -(cap-curr))*cap) / sim_gain, so as sim_gain increases, the return value changes at the speed of (1 + x)/x, which isn't linear.
> I don't want you thinking I'm hating on you, I'm just trying to figure this shit out. If we can't implement it without not knowing how it works, it's like magic to us.
I've already explained the trapezoid method. I guess to explain it again, I'd need a drawing. Here, I made one. Sim3 computes the average value of an attribute as it trains by att_sim. To do that, you can make a loop that goes on for 2000 or so times or use a smart method. The field of trapezoid is h*(a + b)/2 (or you can think of it as a sum of arithmethic series: (b-a) * (a+b)/2, same thing really). The field of a rectangle is b*c. You add the fields under the graph (as if computing an integral), then divide it by att_sim to get the average value. The slope before capping is always 45 degrees and att_sim is the only thing that depends on CTI. To compute the average value of a function over some interval, you calculate the surface area between the "x" axis and the function graph, then divide that by the length of the interval. I don't think, I can put this in simpler terms.
(http://www.img.ie/o05ti.png)
> so I think we're hitting on the same things, maybe you can explain SUPER LAMEN terms how what I conjured compares with yours (I know you don't owe us that, but if you present it, then Splinterz will understand, and be that much better to make his decision on v20!).
Lol, the problem here is that I understand exactly how my method works, but your formulas look magic to me. Still, the output is pretty similar.
Since you were kind enough to provide me with some source code, I guess, I'll go ahead and make some graphs of my own. Yours are jumping all over the place. Man, I got rusty with gnuplot and Matlab. I guess, I'll just use Open Office Calc. I only made any meaningful changes to the main function to give it a loop changing either att or CTI and print the values to a csv.
(http://www.img.ie/isc88.png)
The first graph was made by taking Starting Attribute for [450:950:1150:1250:1350:1550:2250], computing cap from that and using CTI of 500. Up to attribute value 1250 the cap is 1250 + att and after that it becomes 2*att. At that point the slope changes very little for sim3, while the change is greater for your function. For sim3 the current attribute value is much more important, while your function values the cap more.
(http://www.img.ie/3ez5h.png)
For the second graph I kept the attribute value at 1250, the cap at 2500 and manipulated the CTI from 50 (ten times faster gain) to 2000 (four times slower gain). For fast attribute gain the cap is more important, while for slow gain the current attribute value wins and both functions got that right. It is just that sim3 looks much smoother and "prettier", while your has some kind of irregularity around 500 (where it it most important to get things right). In retrospect, maybe I should have used a logarithmic scale for CTI here.
All in all I still prefer sim3, but the difference is not as great as I expected and both methods will get the job done.
EDIT: > Just out of mild curiosity: What are you (maklak), thistleknot and to some extend, splinterz, trying to do with this? I saw long posts by all three of you for pages without end.
I think this is about a method for taking attribute values, then mapping them to <0, 100> for the purpose of factoring that into suggestions of roles for Dwarves. Not sure.
Post by: Meph on February 12, 2013, 03:35:09 pm
Post by: splinterz on February 12, 2013, 04:32:55 pm
Just out of mild curiosity: What are you (maklak), thistleknot and to some extend, splinterz, trying to do with this? I saw long posts by all three of you for pages without end...Maklak is correct in what he answered in his edit in the last post. currently role calculations just take into account the attribute's value. the idea was to see if there was a way to incorporate both the cost to improve an attribute, and a creature's maximum attainable value into the role's rating system for attributes. to put it bluntly, i wanted to know if there was a way to value a dwarf with very fast attribute gain, or a high potential attribute value in addition to the raw value.
since i'm terrible at the maths, i'd hoped that Maklak and thistleknot would reach an agreed upon solution to this problem, which after following the results i believe they have. it's not a huge deal for the roles, but it adds an extra level of depth and accuracy that some users may appreciate.
on a side note, are you still having problems toggling the labors?
Post by: Meph on February 12, 2013, 04:36:11 pm
About the labors: I did download 19.3 (I was running 19.1 before) but have not yet have the time to play or test.
Post by: smakemupagus on February 12, 2013, 04:41:58 pm
Post by: splinterz on February 12, 2013, 04:47:22 pm
Don't attributes train really slowly? I can see why an advanced user might say Oh I sort of care what their potential is, but then a very advanced user might say Who cares who will potentially be better in 35 years, both dwarfs will be dead by then ^^ I guess you guys are taking all that in to account, or trying your best to at least.it's pretty much for you modders. the default game rates are pretty slow and won't have an effect (for the cost to improve that is) since they're virtually all the same. the maximum values for each attribute change for each dwarf, so that can give a bit of a bonus. i'm adding in an option to choose a weight setting for this stuff like all the other role mechanics, so you have the option to ignore the potential rating entirely.
Post by: smakemupagus on February 12, 2013, 04:52:22 pm
i'm adding in an option to choose a weight setting for this stuff like all the other role mechanics, so you have the option to ignore the potential rating entirely.
Sounds great!
.. The effort you're are putting in to this makes me want to think about mod in some school for learning rate boosting :D
Post by: Meph on February 12, 2013, 04:58:53 pm
Post by: smakemupagus on February 12, 2013, 04:59:45 pm
Sorry for mini-derail!
Post by: thistleknot on February 12, 2013, 05:05:52 pm
btw mk. thats your formula im using. its from ur sim1 sim2 int code. its the interpolated formula
edit:
see http://pastebin.com/XAypc3Ka
skill_rate_eval
Post by: Maklak on February 12, 2013, 05:18:51 pm
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Don't attributes train really slowly? I can see why an advanced user might say Oh I sort of care what their potential is, but then a very advanced user might say Who cares who will potentially be better in 35 years.I've brought this up already and it was discussed. My solution was to take a 10 year old fort and dump maximum gains and maximum rust for all Dwarves for each attributes to have a good estimate of what an average overseer might expect, then use similar values to simulate gaining attributes, which factors in current attribute value, cap and cost to improve. My proposal was shot down, but it looks like the counter-proposal will work too, just not as smoothly.
> Learn rate boosting can only be done by transformation.
Yes, but I was thinking about castes rather than transformation; some mods already have some Dwarves who make great soldiers or administartors or masons. You can compliment that by giving both starting value and learning rate boosts for relevant attributes for those castes.
> mk. i noticed yours and my formulas graphed more similar when att_sim was 5000
5000 is too unrealistic and even 2000 is already on the high side. Even the soldiers usually gain "only" 1000-1500 within a few years. By setting att_sim to 5000 the cap becomes more important than the current value. This may be what you're aiming for, but I find using the current value to be more practical than the cap. Smaller att_sim makes the cap important if you're already close to it, but otherwise it's return value is based on the current attribute value.
> btw mk. thats your formula im using. its from ur sim1 sim2 int code. its the interpolated formula
It is similar. You've told me this already.
> ye but you said my formula was like magic to you... so i wasnt sure why u were saying that.
Well, I can't visualize the logic behind it and am quite surprised it works at all, but my graphs don't lie. By saying "this is like magic" I meant "I don't understand how and why this works". When I proposed it for skills, it was mapping distance to a shorter scale.
Post by: thistleknot on February 12, 2013, 05:46:14 pm
ye but you said my formula was like magic to you... so i wasnt sure why u were saying that.
the problem with the logic of
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> mk. i noticed yours and my formulas graphed more similar when att_sim was 5000
5000 is too unrealistic and even 2000 is already on the high side. Even the soldiers usually gain "only" 1000-1500 within a few years. By setting att_sim to 5000 the cap becomes more important than the current value. This may be what you're aiming for, but I find using the current value to be more practical than the cap. Smaller att_sim makes the cap important if you're already close to it, but otherwise it's return value is based on the current attribute value.
is this is for mod's, not just vanilla. So it may be entirely possible for someone to train the full capacity of their potential. Vanilla alone has shown danger rooms have a significant increase on skills/attributes in a short amount of time. Using something like pumps exclusively for militia dwarfs could potentially allow a dwarf to hit his max strength in a few years.
see http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Cross-training
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For sim3 the current attribute value is much more important, while your function values the cap more.
I found this weird since my results consistently reported lower values than yours.
update: i think this is only true at higher ctis when att_sim is 2000. see graph
On a side note, if you take my sheet (posted here http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg4012285#msg4012285) and use in place filters to filter by CTI, you'll notice that yours and mine spike around the same data points, but until you reach higher CTI's, your's cease to spike. I found increasing the att_sim to 5000 retained the spiking nature.
Top compares att_sim of 5000 at 600 cti vs 50 CTI
bottom compares att_sim of 2000 at 600 cti vs 50 CTI
(http://i45.tinypic.com/yey4j.jpg)
Post by: vrga on February 14, 2013, 01:30:33 pm
if its related to what's currently being discussed, okay.
also, for brevity's sake, self-compiled DT v0.19.3 on linux.
Post by: Maklak on February 14, 2013, 02:53:14 pm
> > 5000 is too high and even 2000 is higher than it should be...
> is this is for mod's, not just vanilla. So it may be entirely possible for someone to train the full capacity of their potential.
If they have a high median and low minimum value then maybe, but it will take a very long time and isn't that relevant. For a very long time that dwarf will have that attribute below maximum value. For example a worker is lucky to gain 50 points per year. I still say, what I said before.
If someone mods CTI, sim3 will factor that in, but otherwise a realistic value for sim_gain would be maybe a thousand and that only for attributes that the military trains. There is simply no point in caring about max_value so much if it won't be achieved before the inevitable FPS death in 5 years.
> Vanilla alone has shown danger rooms have a significant increase on skills/attributes in a short amount of time.
My experience with them was that they trained skills very fast, as well as Endurance and were somewhat faster at improving other attributes than military training, but weren't as great as the hype would suggest.
> Using something like pumps exclusively for militia dwarfs could potentially allow a dwarf to hit his max strength in a few years.
I tried that and got around 50-200 after training to Legendary+5, endurance increasing the fastest. This was better than normal labour, but military works much better for attributes.
> > For sim3 the current attribute value is much more important, while your function values the cap more.
> I found this weird since my results consistently reported lower values than yours.
This was my conclusion from graphing both in relation to growing starting value. After the median, your function growed faster and eventually overtook sim3. Yes, most of the time sim3 return value will be above yours. If you increase the sim_gain further, sim3 will hog the cap even more.
> Graphs.
Well, they are more readable in this form.
> you'll notice that yours and mine spike around the same data points, but until you reach higher CTI's, your's cease to spike. I found increasing the att_sim to 5000 retained the spiking nature.
I've told you this several times already. When you have current value 2000 and simulate a gain of 2000, it doesn't matter if the cap is at 4000 or 5000, sim3 will still return 3000, because it won't cap either way. You may find "not spiking" an undesirable property, but I like it. It means that you are so far from the cap, that it doesn't even matter at this point and only the current value is important. sim3 will only notice a change in the cap if ((cap -curr) > sim_gain). Even if it notices, a higher current attribute value can compensate the difference pretty quickly. In the first of your graphs I can see that current increases pretty steadily, while cap jumps all over the place. If you kept graph of current in your two bottom graphs, sim3 would closely follow the current value by the looks of it, which is what I want.
Post by: splinterz on February 14, 2013, 04:48:57 pm
to derail the current discussion which i honestly cant wrap my head around, the military role advisor is kinda missing... (in the military tab, the whole melee, ranged, blah, blah stuff)i'm not sure what you're asking here. if you're talking about a lack of default military roles, have you tried the alternate military view?
if its related to what's currently being discussed, okay.
also, for brevity's sake, self-compiled DT v0.19.3 on linux.
Post by: vrga on February 14, 2013, 06:14:17 pm
ah, yes, i've managed to totally miss the lack of that tab -.-to derail the current discussion which i honestly cant wrap my head around, the military role advisor is kinda missing... (in the military tab, the whole melee, ranged, blah, blah stuff)i'm not sure what you're asking here. if you're talking about a lack of default military roles, have you tried the alternate military view?
if its related to what's currently being discussed, okay.
also, for brevity's sake, self-compiled DT v0.19.3 on linux.
sorry bout that.
Post by: splinterz on February 15, 2013, 09:55:34 am
no worries, you're certainly not the first one :) additionally if you find the roles, or the view lacking, you can always create custom military roles, and then add them to your own custom view.ah, yes, i've managed to totally miss the lack of that tab -.-to derail the current discussion which i honestly cant wrap my head around, the military role advisor is kinda missing... (in the military tab, the whole melee, ranged, blah, blah stuff)i'm not sure what you're asking here. if you're talking about a lack of default military roles, have you tried the alternate military view?
if its related to what's currently being discussed, okay.
also, for brevity's sake, self-compiled DT v0.19.3 on linux.
sorry bout that.
Post by: splinterz on February 15, 2013, 06:59:14 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=122968.0
Post by: thistleknot on February 15, 2013, 10:35:34 pm
Post by: zackattack on February 23, 2013, 09:44:18 pm
While I am capable with computers on the whole, programming is beyond me at this point. Please let me know what you need to see and I will send it to you as fast as possible. I am a relatively new player who is really wanting to play this game but this error is absolutely crippling. Playing without Therapist is extremely tedious and I want to enjoy this game.
Thank your for your time
Post by: Thundercraft on February 26, 2013, 01:06:22 am
Post by: zackattack on February 26, 2013, 09:20:55 am
I am running windows 7 and I am using DF 34.11 and DT (splinterz branched version) 20.1
Post by: semm11 on March 05, 2013, 10:09:41 pm
Thanks!
Post by: mordrax on March 21, 2013, 01:42:14 am
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My Dwarf therapist does not have an Attributes Tab (I only see Military, Labors, Social) Why is this? How can I turn it on?there should be an "Add" option to the left of your first tab, which is usual Labors, that drops down to list all the tabs you can add, one of which is attributes
Now for my question, I'm on ubuntu 12.10, checked out and compiled 20.4 build to work with dfhack r3 and phoebus graphics set, all 0.34.11
Everything starts off well, but after the first migration wave, normally i pause the game and assign professions or add nicknames etc..., DT crashes, log shows:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And the next time i open DT, all the non-normal attributes (that is below or above average) are shown as fully colored red boxes (even if you are strong or tough it comes up as if you were extremely weak). Hovering over the box will give the correct attribute description and score. This happens regardless of how the skills are drawn, if numbers, they are all 0.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/24y1khw.png)
This has happened twice in two games so I'd say it's fairly reproduceable.
EDIT: running DwarfTherapist -trace fixes the above issue... this is not the first time that turning on logging has fixed issues for me :p
Post by: kabads on March 21, 2013, 04:12:39 pm
Any advice on what I need to do to get it to write changes to DF?
Post by: mordrax on March 21, 2013, 07:21:23 pm
Note: Other comments on that thread have led me to think this command is bad for security.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65326.0
and repeated in the last comment here
https://code.google.com/p/dwarftherapist/wiki/LinuxVersion
Why would this work? I have no evidence but perhaps root isn't giving you all the permissions you think you have... yeah clutching at straws here
Worse come to worse, you could always try -trace, worked for me ;)
Post by: kabads on March 22, 2013, 03:17:43 am
I also tried the tee command at http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65326.0 with no different result.
I didn't realise that ubuntu (which mint is a derivative of) had implemented this memory security. I will carry on researching to see if I can find a fix. The ptrace definitely seems like the issue and I will carry on down this avenue.
Many thanks.
Post by: Nokao on March 22, 2013, 06:52:53 am
Post by: Maklak on March 22, 2013, 06:59:07 am
No, the maintained branch is here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=122968.0