Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 06, 2017, 07:20:48 pm
"So... Null. I was thinking..."
"About the recipient of the book, the key, and the crown?"
"Ah... no. I'm still not done with those anyways."
"Pity."
"Anyways. I was thinking-"
"About that random item maker thingy?"
"No! That's almost done anyways. The first iteration, then."
"Then what are you thinking about?"
"I was just... anyways. You remember that mind game (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.0) you made?"
"You want to do another one?"
"With even more manifestations!"
"Sure, go ahead and get that set up."
~~~
It wasn't long before the Manifestation Draw was set up. Soon, Manifestations began to pull into the world...
~~~
The rules:
Basic mafia rules (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0) are in effect. Also a few reminders:
No sending PMs to other players(unless you're a mafia player, in which case you can send PMs to your scum buddy(ies)).
Don't directly quote your role PM(you may paraphrase it, and you are allowed to directly quote things I've said in thread).
If you're dead, you get one bah post(no game-relevant content). After that, no more posting. Unless you come back to life(role powers, eh?).
A special hammer system is in effect:
The game will consist of 72 hour days and 48 hour nights(the time will not pass during weekends). During the day, the day may end because of a hammer(getting the majority of the game's available votes on a player will lynch that player, ending the day), or because of the deadline. What makes this system different is that at LYLO or MYLO, the hammer system will not be active, and the only way to end the day will be via reaching the deadline. To prevent mod confirmation of the fact that it's MYLO or LYLO, the fact that the hammer system is not or is being used will not be announced.
Any and all of the normal rules and whatnot may be subverted/modified by role powers.
This is a BYOR, meaning when you go in, you must also PM me something for me to build your role out of. What are you allowed to submit? Almost everything.
Don't submit anything that would violate the forum rules and guidelines, or anything that would violate the Nevermore canon(I'm serious, thank you. Mind, if you wish to submit a Nevermore role, I may be able to work it into the canon.).
The theme this round is: Basic.
~~~
The game will start... sooner or later. As soon as I have at least 9 players and signing up slows to a stop.
Spoiler: Possibly spoilery for future readers. (click to show/hide)
~~~
Please inform me(via PM if you like) if you notice any mistakes I may have made(in the OP, in actions... vote counts... basically everything).
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 07, 2017, 12:02:23 am
Post by: doll on February 07, 2017, 01:17:56 am
You get a boring actual character role rather than some convoluted wordplay because of your nevermore fluff.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 07, 2017, 09:10:20 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 10, 2017, 11:36:28 pm
Also blah timezones D:<
Post by: doll on February 13, 2017, 12:34:35 am
My apologies, plans have changed for march
Post by: RattyB on February 16, 2017, 04:58:52 pm
Post by: webadict on February 16, 2017, 07:27:51 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 16, 2017, 08:15:18 pm
But I'm considered what a theme of basic entails.Basic means I'm not adding shenanigans that aren't part of roles.
Other themes would be non-role weirdness, like that BYOR you ran with 5 SKs.
~~~
what is nevermore?
There was once a man named Null. He was an incredibly powerful mage with a sword that nullified every magic it touched except its own. Then he made a stupid mistake against a mage named Thrakor, causing him to trip on his feet... end result: he accidentally impaled himself with his own sword.A setting I use for most of my forum games. You aren't going to end up messing with it unless you specifically tailor your role name to do so, and even then I can fit it in(see my previous BYOR for an example of that in the form of one of the roles).
((I based the previous paragraph on the bay 12 forum game Perplexicon(the first one, by piecewise). Everything henceforth is my own invention.))
Null happened to have children, who were understandably angry about his death. Thrakor, after some time, eventually had a family of his own.
Fast forward a long, long time...
There are now two multiverse spanning families/magical mafia clans known as the Nevermores and the Forevermores, the Nevermores descended from Null, the Forevermores descended from Thrakor. The Nevermores are lead by the latest Null Nevermore, a madman with a penchant for deathmatch game shows and a collector of gods. The Forevermores are lead by the latest Thrakor, also known as Thrakor Prime, seeing as all Forevermores have taken the first name Thrakor.
The feud between the families isn't over yet.
Post by: webadict on February 16, 2017, 08:30:43 pm
That game was so balanced, you don't even know!But I'm considered what a theme of basic entails.Basic means I'm not adding shenanigans that aren't part of roles.
Other themes would be non-role weirdness, like that BYOR you ran with 5 SKs.
But, fine.
Post by: webadict on February 23, 2017, 07:40:44 pm
Also, there were technically 7 SKs, if you include the Town-sided ones I added for lots of fun.That game was so balanced, you don't even know!But I'm considered what a theme of basic entails.Basic means I'm not adding shenanigans that aren't part of roles.
Other themes would be non-role weirdness, like that BYOR you ran with 5 SKs.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 26, 2017, 06:48:31 pm
Post by: hops on February 27, 2017, 10:17:10 am
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on February 27, 2017, 05:20:01 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 27, 2017, 05:23:44 pm
And a lot of new faces! O:
This is going to be fun! \o/
Post by: flame99 on February 27, 2017, 05:34:49 pm
Post by: webadict on February 27, 2017, 07:04:12 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 27, 2017, 09:25:48 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 27, 2017, 09:48:40 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 28, 2017, 05:49:56 am
Well then... They're all a group, eh?Nah, BHK is an old dude, Flan and Cinder were BM players but as far as my opinion goes, were dissuaded by playing here because of a player's attitude [won't name who], so yeah. :O
Post by: webadict on February 28, 2017, 07:09:07 am
Crap, it's me, isn't it?Well then... They're all a group, eh?Nah, BHK is an old dude, Flan and Cinder were BM players but as far as my opinion goes, were dissuaded by playing here because of a player's attitude [won't name who], so yeah. :O
Post by: Tiruin on February 28, 2017, 08:06:26 am
It's someone we aren't talking about because it's either rude, and also something not appropriate. :PCrap, it's me, isn't it?Well then... They're all a group, eh?Nah, BHK is an old dude, Flan and Cinder were BM players but as far as my opinion goes, were dissuaded by playing here because of a player's attitude [won't name who], so yeah. :O
...No it isn't anyone here anyway.
Post by: webadict on February 28, 2017, 08:32:58 am
Sweet, I didn't do something this time.It's someone we aren't talking about because it's either rude, and also something not appropriate. :PCrap, it's me, isn't it?Well then... They're all a group, eh?Nah, BHK is an old dude, Flan and Cinder were BM players but as far as my opinion goes, were dissuaded by playing here because of a player's attitude [won't name who], so yeah. :O
...No it isn't anyone here anyway.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 01, 2017, 09:49:11 am
If you want to go in as a replacement, that's still fine, though.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 01, 2017, 03:22:33 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 01, 2017, 07:34:33 pm
"Hello ladies and gentlemen and the like, I am your host, Null Nevermore!"
Some sort of techno game show music plays.
"Tonight, I have a show for you! Nine contestants-wave hello, contestants!"
Some do, some don't.
"Bah. Anyways: Nine contestants attempt to root out traitors in their midst with bloody violence and mind games!"
Null pulls out a screen-like device from his pocket.
"This is the L.Y.N.C.H. I don't know what it stands for, but I do know what it does: it kills people! Or rather, it kills people according to a vote, which means it lynches people! Genius, am I right?"
Silence.
"Nowhere, can I get some an audience?"
"Just a moment."
Out of nowhere, a heap of people materialize.
"Wonderful! An audience! Clap, whoop, celebrate, my audience! You're on Murderfest!"
Screams, stunned silence, squirming.
"No taste nowadays. Anyways. Let's get to it! Here's how this is going to work. Each player has one vote. Whoever has the most votes on them at the end of the day phase, or when a player gets a majority, is lynched. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. Alright?"
The L.Y.N.C.H. begins to smoke.
"What? The heck? Nowhere, what's happening with the lynching mechanism?"
"What in the... somebody hacked it? This shouldn't even be possible!"
"Uh... well... work you piece of junk!"
Null shakes the L.Y.N.C.H., then stabs it with his sword a few times.
Reboot complete.
"What?"
Restructuring of voting mechanism as follows:
"WHAT!?"
Quote from: Trial System
The voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
"Well. That's... a twist. Yes. Totally a completely planned twist. Anyways... get to the killing each other!"
Null and Nowhere vanish. The heap of people begins untangling itself. The L.Y.N.C.H. displays the expected blank votecount:
Votecount:
TheDarkStar(0): []
TheBiggerFish(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
webadict(0): []
Deus Asmoth(0): []
Cinder(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
flame99(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting: TheDarkStar
Day Ends... sometime after TheDarkStar votes.
~~~
((Interesting, yes/no?))
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 07:36:12 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 01, 2017, 07:38:22 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 07:40:03 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 01, 2017, 07:41:03 pm
TDS, is this part of your role or a game mechanic?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 01, 2017, 07:43:14 pm
TDS, is this part of your role or a game mechanic?
It's part of my role. I got what I asked for :P
Wait, this means I'm the only one who can do RVS. What do you think about that, webadict?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 07:44:36 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 01, 2017, 07:45:37 pm
Uhh... TDS:Shouldn't you be careful with that?
Whoops, I missed the thing about only getting one second choice if my first choice isn't lynched until now.
Anyway, vote yes or no. :)
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 07:47:55 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 01, 2017, 07:48:25 pm
Okay then.
Right, this is a BYOR, all sorts of bullshit happens in BYORs.
Anyway.
TheDarkStar: So, you've got the lynch. Ain't that nifty. So, do you plan on determining who to put up for lynch by yourself, or do you plan on going with the majority opinion?
TheBiggerFish: Fishy! Fish fish fish! If you could choose one player to confirm as town, who would they be and why would you make that choice?
Tiruin: How many scum are there this game? How many third parties? How useless are these questions, on a scale of "completely useless" to "what the fuck are you smoking and where can I get some?".
webadict: Ah, Wubsy. You don't get to PM this game. So sad. Okay but more seriously: What is your favorite part of the RVS stage?
Deus Asmoth: Why did you rolefish so early?
Cinder: Who would you want on a scumteam with you and why? Also, what was your previous name, I feel like I remember you but under a different name.
BlackHeartKabal: Isn't being ability-focused fairly standard for a BYOR?
flame99: What's one tell you're prone to making as scum?
Me: Why the fuck am I asking myself a question?
PPE x two fucking million: Well then it looks like TDS starting off with the idiot ball today, that's... nice...
This is the guy we're gonna have in charge of our lynches?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 01, 2017, 07:49:31 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 01, 2017, 07:50:48 pm
TheDarkStar: So, you've got the lynch. Ain't that nifty. So, do you plan on determining who to put up for lynch by yourself, or do you plan on going with the majority opinion?
I'll generally go with majority opinion unless I find someone really scummy.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 07:52:31 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 01, 2017, 07:54:13 pm
@4mask:How do I know they're confirmable?Okay perhaps I should rephrase the question to be more clear:
One of the players in the game is town, and they have an ability that confirms them as town during D1. Which player would you most like to have that.
It's the inverse question to "who would you like on the scumteam with you" it's "who would you most like to be a confirmed town".
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 01, 2017, 07:56:23 pm
I wonder: If I unvote before Fallacy shows up does it prematurely cancel the lynch?It really shouldn't, but it looks to me like it was an accident, so I'm fine with you taking it back.
Just this once.
Edit: what I mean by that is that the lynch never started in the first place.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 08:13:10 pm
The guy holding the vote, in this case.@4mask:How do I know they're confirmable?Okay perhaps I should rephrase the question to be more clear:
One of the players in the game is town, and they have an ability that confirms them as town during D1. Which player would you most like to have that.
It's the inverse question to "who would you like on the scumteam with you" it's "who would you most like to be a confirmed town".
Post by: webadict on March 01, 2017, 08:15:14 pm
No.TDS, is this part of your role or a game mechanic?
It's part of my role. I got what I asked for :P
Wait, this means I'm the only one who can do RVS. What do you think about that, webadict?
I don't know what that does, but I just said it.
Also, who picked the Canadian role?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 01, 2017, 08:17:19 pm
Also, who picked the Canadian role?Jack A T?
Oh wait he's not in this game.
Dunno.
Post by: webadict on March 01, 2017, 08:20:17 pm
I ALSO thought that. And I had to check to make sure.Also, who picked the Canadian role?Jack A T?
Oh wait he's not in this game.
Dunno.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 09:16:28 pm
Post by: webadict on March 01, 2017, 09:33:01 pm
What Canadian role?If I knew, I would've said it. But I'm certain someone's Canadian.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 09:34:14 pm
Post by: webadict on March 01, 2017, 09:35:36 pm
How?I choose not to reveal that information for my own safety.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 01, 2017, 09:36:19 pm
How?It's webadict, draw your own conclusions. At this point I just take everything he says at face value publicly and privately try to figure out his angle.
Post by: webadict on March 01, 2017, 09:43:16 pm
It's for my benefit. And theirs.How?It's webadict, draw your own conclusions. At this point I just take everything he says at face value publicly and privately try to figure out his angle.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 01, 2017, 11:30:15 pm
Vote in Lime Green and I'll consider your vote. Once ~2 days have passed without too many vote changes or one person has ~1/3 of the votes, I'll put the person with the most votes up for lynching (unless I'm fairly certain that they're not town). So feel free to pressure vote each other like this: TBF.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 01, 2017, 11:30:54 pm
I've thought about the voting and here's my idea:
Vote in Lime Green and I'll consider your vote. Once ~2 days have passed without too many vote changes or one person has ~1/3 of the votes, I'll put the person with the most votes up for lynching (unless I'm fairly certain that they're not scum). So feel free to pressure vote each other like this: TBF.
EBWOP, we're trying to lynch scum here, not town.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 11:32:14 pm
Why do you have the vote?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 01, 2017, 11:33:39 pm
I'll put the person with the most votes up for lynching (unless I'm fairly certain that they're not town).I'm going to do my best Tiruin imitation here and say "scum slip?"
But anyway, your idea sounds fine. Of course, two days in Bay12 time is... well, not a very long time at all, we all know how Bay12 mafia players are.
TBF that question was already answered, why are you asking it again? It's because it's a part of his role, or so he claims.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 11:34:36 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 11:36:05 pm
TDS: Why do you have the vote? What possessed you to want voting to work that way?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 01, 2017, 11:54:37 pm
Wait.
TDS: Why do you have the vote? What possessed you to want voting to work that way?
I submitted a Shakeragian role intended to give me the only vote because I thought it would be funny and to see what Fallacy would do with it. It almost worked, except everyone else has to confirm my choice too :P.
Also, no, I'm not going to put myself up for lynching no matter how many votes I get.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 01, 2017, 11:56:48 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 02, 2017, 12:18:06 am
Ah. How Shakeragian we talking?There is no "how" to Shakeragian, there is only Shakeragian.
TDS: Is your role named "The Fallacy's BYOR role that/for (insert thing here)"?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 02, 2017, 12:33:33 am
Ah. How Shakeragian we talking?There is no "how" to Shakeragian, there is only Shakeragian.
TDS: Is your role named "The Fallacy's BYOR role that/for (insert thing here)"?
That's what Shakeragian means. Why do you ask?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 02, 2017, 12:40:45 am
That's what Shakeragian means. Why do you ask?Good, because if you weren't you'd be a heretic.
And we all know what happens to heretics.
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 05:38:24 am
Cinder: Who would you want on a scumteam with you and why? Also, what was your previous name, I feel like I remember you but under a different name.I've been scum fairly often for the few Mafia games here I've had, but none of the people I usually scum with are in this game, I think. I don't really know much about anyone's scum capability because I usually get myself found out through bad luck before I even get to scum properly. (Like that one time TDS changeling'd me in BYOR or whatever augh)
So I suppose that if I wanted anyone on scumteam it'd be somebody who knows to kill off the investigative roles quickly before I end up as the mafia's sacrificial lamb.
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 05:39:17 am
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 06:52:27 am
Nah, bussing is lame.Cinder: Who would you want on a scumteam with you and why? Also, what was your previous name, I feel like I remember you but under a different name.I've been scum fairly often for the few Mafia games here I've had, but none of the people I usually scum with are in this game, I think. I don't really know much about anyone's scum capability because I usually get myself found out through bad luck before I even get to scum properly. (Like that one time TDS changeling'd me in BYOR or whatever augh)
So I suppose that if I wanted anyone on scumteam it'd be somebody who knows to kill off the investigative roles quickly before I end up as the mafia's sacrificial lamb.
But what you said is very interesting, Cinder.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 02, 2017, 07:11:13 am
TBF
TDSDo you really think TDS is going to put himself up for lynching?
Why do you have the vote?
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 07:46:15 am
So I'm scum because I answered a question about scum?Nah, bussing is lame.Cinder: Who would you want on a scumteam with you and why? Also, what was your previous name, I feel like I remember you but under a different name.I've been scum fairly often for the few Mafia games here I've had, but none of the people I usually scum with are in this game, I think. I don't really know much about anyone's scum capability because I usually get myself found out through bad luck before I even get to scum properly. (Like that one time TDS changeling'd me in BYOR or whatever augh)
So I suppose that if I wanted anyone on scumteam it'd be somebody who knows to kill off the investigative roles quickly before I end up as the mafia's sacrificial lamb.
But what you said is very interesting, Cinder.
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 07:55:40 am
Unless we have a town killing role I'm not sure Fallacy would allow TDS to be scum and control lynchings. Unless this was only for day one, then he might be scum.Of course not. That would be silly. I just didn't like your answer.Nah, bussing is lame.So I'm scum because I answered a question about scum?
But what you said is very interesting, Cinder.
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 07:59:32 am
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 08:03:16 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 02, 2017, 08:30:54 am
They play with votes a lot :I
And also be silly a lot I:
So I'm going to play meta and think of TDS as possibly town unless otherwise presented with my norm of notes--attitude and personality/behavior.
TDS: YOu're like a KINGMAKER here (forgot the term, is like 'king' when they're in control of hammer)--how do you best plan to use it, and are you favorably equal in seeing everyone's potential of speaking and the quality they hold?
Everyone: We're on indefinite day, do recall.
Despite the rules--for the newbies out there new to FoU-style BYORs--player roles and otherwise overlap the rules if they affect them, as seen in the day start. So this bit:
Quote
A special hammer system is in effect:Is covered by whatever TDS is or does.
The game will consist of 72 hour days and 48 hour nights(the time will not pass during weekends). During the day, the day may end because of a hammer(getting the majority of the game's available votes on a player will lynch that player, ending the day), or because of the deadline. What makes this system different is that at LYLO or MYLO, the hammer system will not be active, and the only way to end the day will be via reaching the deadline. To prevent mod confirmation of the fact that it's MYLO or LYLO, the fact that the hammer system is not or is being used will not be announced.
TBF
Quite possibly.Are you going to post more, with more stuff than acknowledgement of other people's ideas? :P
And, how do you generally plan to communicate? This needs an answer of a concrete idea rather than a vague abstracted one.
Web
Oh wooow. This reminds me of the time I was Queen of Canada. :I Well this is quite a silly thing.It's for my benefit. And theirs.How?It's webadict, draw your own conclusions. At this point I just take everything he says at face value publicly and privately try to figure out his angle.
Although I doubt people can sincerely pick a role and THEN this role is transmitted post-FoUing into the game; moreso I believe it's a randomized role HE picked while translating our ideas that we sent to him.
So yeah...
I sit here curiously looking at you now o_o with how you said that thing and why.
Because that also reminds me of how as the Queen before, I had super secret bodyguards~
And also an assassin :V So yay.
Cincin
So nobody in particular? :PCinder: Who would you want on a scumteam with you and why? Also, what was your previous name, I feel like I remember you but under a different name.[...]
So I suppose that if I wanted anyone on scumteam it'd be somebody who knows to kill off the investigative roles quickly before I end up as the mafia's sacrificial lamb.
> How do you feel about your playstyle in general and how do you think you'll work with an unorthodox theme as BYORs?
Flame99 and Blackheartkabal: Same question
I've thought about the voting and here's my idea:You...pressure voted TBF with nothing to say? :P
Vote in Lime Green and I'll consider your vote. Once ~2 days have passed without too many vote changes or one person has ~1/3 of the votes, I'll put the person with the most votes up for lynching (unless I'm fairly certain that they're not town). So feel free to pressure vote each other like this: TBF.
You pretty much make the rules :O are you going to do a list of all folks present?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
...Curious.Wait.
TDS: Why do you have the vote? What possessed you to want voting to work that way?
I submitted a Shakeragian role intended to give me the only vote because I thought it would be funny and to see what Fallacy would do with it. It almost worked, except everyone else has to confirm my choice too :P.
Also, no, I'm not going to put myself up for lynching no matter how many votes I get.
You submitted a Shakeragian role, with an intent. There is no way someone can submit a role with an intent as it declarifies the game and pretty much makes bias out of the GM, who would be impartial (and I doubt this is so bastard/twisted that the GM becomes a force within the game >_>)
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 10:42:51 am
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 10:44:28 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 02, 2017, 10:44:38 am
Quote
You submitted a Shakeragian role, with an intent. There is no way someone can submit a role with an intent as it declarifies the game and pretty much makes bias out of the GM, who would be impartial (and I doubt this is so bastard/twisted that the GM becomes a force within the game >_>)?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 02, 2017, 10:45:18 am
I can't really give a meaningful answer given my limited experience in forum-based mafia. I think I'm mainly just watching and producing tells while also seeing how other people interpret tells.
That said, I would rather not be lynched prematurely and if TDS puts me up for lynching then I'd be forced to roleclaim.Cinder:Why?
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 10:50:47 am
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 10:51:18 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 02, 2017, 10:52:53 am
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 10:54:23 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 02, 2017, 10:55:08 am
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 10:55:25 am
Because my role necessitate more information in order to create more information.What kind of information would you like?
Because I have many fine pieces of information, readily available to those who ask.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 02, 2017, 11:03:40 am
4mask, why wouldn't I ask someone about their role when it immediately and drastically impacts the game?Good answer.
Tiruin: You didn't actually answer my RVS question you goof, you ignoring me makes me sad :( :P
Because my role necessitate more information in order to create more information.Yeah that's kinda how mafia goes, the more info you have the more you can infer and figure out. What's your point?
Post by: hops on March 02, 2017, 11:05:25 am
You don't have to answer every question.That's as suspicious. And as I said, I'm making tells.
And so I think I'll probably not talk more about the exacts of my role lest I get shanked in the first night.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 02, 2017, 11:20:37 am
I have a hunch.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 02, 2017, 11:43:29 am
Hm.We all have hunches. Are you going to share your hunch or are you going to act mysterious?
I have a hunch.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 02, 2017, 11:47:02 am
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 02, 2017, 12:19:30 pm
> How do you feel about your playstyle in general and how do you think you'll work with an unorthodox theme as BYORs?My playstyle is... flawed in some ways, but works well altogether. Also, I work fine with unorthodox themes. I find vanilla mafia stale, so I live for games like this.
Flame99 and Blackheartkabal: Same question
BlackHeartKabal: Isn't being ability-focused fairly standard for a BYOR?I daresay even more so than usual, as in, a few gamechanging abilities with such a lynch setup.
PPE x two fucking million: Well then it looks like TDS starting off with the idiot ball today, that's... nice...You're being a bit harsh on him, don'tcha think?
This is the guy we're gonna have in charge of our lynches?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 02, 2017, 01:06:33 pm
I think webadict is starting to rub off on me.PPE x two fucking million: Well then it looks like TDS starting off with the idiot ball today, that's... nice...You're being a bit harsh on him, don'tcha think?
This is the guy we're gonna have in charge of our lynches?
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 01:20:10 pm
Well, that applies to me more than usual.Sad. I was gonna try to help.You don't have to answer every question.That's as suspicious. And as I said, I'm making tells.
And so I think I'll probably not talk more about the exacts of my role lest I get shanked in the first night.
Perhaps later, though. I have many services available.
I dunno. I think you need a lot less brain cells for that.I think webadict is starting to rub off on me.PPE x two fucking million: Well then it looks like TDS starting off with the idiot ball today, that's... nice...You're being a bit harsh on him, don'tcha think?
This is the guy we're gonna have in charge of our lynches?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 02, 2017, 03:31:11 pm
TDS: YOu're like a KINGMAKER here (forgot the term, is like 'king' when they're in control of hammer)--how do you best plan to use it, and are you favorably equal in seeing everyone's potential of speaking and the quality they hold?
I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but I'm not too inherently biased against anyone here. I've already detailed my general strategy for controlling the vote.
...Curious.Wait.
TDS: Why do you have the vote? What possessed you to want voting to work that way?
I submitted a Shakeragian role intended to give me the only vote because I thought it would be funny and to see what Fallacy would do with it. It almost worked, except everyone else has to confirm my choice too :P.
Also, no, I'm not going to put myself up for lynching no matter how many votes I get.
You submitted a Shakeragian role, with an intent. There is no way someone can submit a role with an intent as it declarifies the game and pretty much makes bias out of the GM, who would be impartial.
? Role name choice definitely has an impact on what kind of role people get. The GM still has final say of course, but our role name submissions are his inspiration for roles. (Sidenote: I was really hoping for a role that gave me complete control over the lynch without anyone else knowing it, but Fallacy was not amused and gave me a weaker role).
Because my role necessitate more information in order to create more information.What kind of information would you like?
Because I have many fine pieces of information, readily available to those who ask.
Can I have a random piece of fine information (related to this game, of course)?
Post by: flame99 on March 02, 2017, 06:25:29 pm
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 06:37:59 pm
Of course, naturally, this only applies to Town players only. No offense 3rd partiers and scum, but I'm afraid the only information you have dies with you.
Post by: flame99 on March 02, 2017, 06:41:37 pm
flame99: What's one tell you're prone to making as scum?No clue, I've never really played Mafia before. In my experience with Town of Salem, I guess I tend to go for over-ambitious gambits that backfire on me. Not necessarily as scum, but in ToS, scum has more capability for that sort of thing.
Me: Why the fuck am I asking myself a question?
> How do you feel about your playstyle in general and how do you think you'll work with an unorthodox theme as BYORs?I have a habit of avoiding random/poorly-reasoned lynches, I suppose, but I think ideally everyone does. See above. I think that the strangeness a BYOR could cause might make that sort of gambit a little more viable.
Flame99 and Blackheartkabal: Same question
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 02, 2017, 06:49:08 pm
It seems everyone is trying to take my throne...flame99: What's one tell you're prone to making as scum?No clue, I've never really played Mafia before. In my experience with Town of Salem, I guess I tend to go for over-ambitious gambits that backfire on me. Not necessarily as scum, but in ToS, scum has more capability for that sort of thing.
Me: Why the fuck am I asking myself a question?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 02, 2017, 07:11:15 pm
@TheDarkStar: I can, but you'll dislike it. I work on a barter system. You give me something I need, and I give you something you want. This, of course, is my information to you. It's a freebie. You tell me something I want, however, and I make it incredibly worth your while.
The want/need contrast is interesting though. What do you need?
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 07:22:03 pm
I need to know a little bit about you. But, you'll have to say it in front of everyone, unfortunately. It's a risky deal for you, unfortunately, but it may have unexpected payoffs.@TheDarkStar: I can, but you'll dislike it. I work on a barter system. You give me something I need, and I give you something you want. This, of course, is my information to you. It's a freebie. You tell me something I want, however, and I make it incredibly worth your while.Dormammu, I've come to bargain. #original
The want/need contrast is interesting though. What do you need?
You may choose to lie. That won't be good for any of us. Especially not you.
You may choose to ignore. That is indeed not an unwise decision.
You may trust me. That would be foolhardy and reckless... but it is what I usually demand from those who dare to dream.
We shall see. There are downsides for you, and very little for me. I am at the mercy of suspicions from everyone, while you will be at the mercy of those that know too much already, unless of course, you already were one.
So, those are my conditions, laid out not by me, but by those who demand my obedience. I merely follow them.
Take your pick. Trust me or don't. That is how this game has always been.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 02, 2017, 07:29:24 pm
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 07:47:45 pm
I have more than one night action available to me. How's that?As do I. But, I'm afraid that's not really what I'm looking for.
Instead, I'm looking for something more... Flavorful. However could I serve the delicacies of your role and feed such deserving patrons without know their tastes? For you see, I am merely a chef for the gods, and who among us has not realized that within us lies the makings of one? So, in order to fulfill such opulent demands, I too must demand to know!
For in order to grow, we must, ourselves, eat.
For those in need of guidance, I offer you this: A way to become so much more than you could have.
Not all of us must physically eat, however. Some of us must feed the soul with books. Some must feed the mind with puzzles. Some, simply, mustn't feed.
The last is my responsibility, solely, plainly. Those who should not feast cannot be allowed to.
And THIS is my last freebie. This is a list of my wants and my needs. If you can pay in kind, I can, perhaps, give to you that which you so desire in life.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 02, 2017, 07:52:02 pm
So is it our rolemanes you want?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 02, 2017, 07:52:52 pm
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 07:55:59 pm
Hmm.A rolename is a much higher price than I'm asking. I never granted my own, so I do not expect as such from you.
So is it our rolemanes you want?
If you wish to pay such a high price, however, there is a much better chance that I can reward something to your delight. But it may be dangerous to know the True Name of a man. Many things can be done to those that know such knowledge.
So, be wary.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 02, 2017, 08:11:05 pm
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 08:14:10 pm
Indeed. So our flavor then? What of it?Only that which may help divine that which is necessary to serve.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 02, 2017, 09:06:04 pm
Indeed. So our flavor then? What of it?Only that which may help divine that which is necessary to serve.
So you want ability names?
Also, nice posting restriction :P.
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 09:14:31 pm
But... But I just said...?Indeed. So our flavor then? What of it?Only that which may help divine that which is necessary to serve.
So you want ability names?
Also, nice posting restriction :P.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 02, 2017, 09:24:16 pm
But... But I just said...?Indeed. So our flavor then? What of it?Only that which may help divine that which is necessary to serve.
So you want ability names?
Also, nice posting restriction :P.
Alright, nevermind then.
So if I told you about a certain serious bodily injury in my flavortext, would it be what you wanted?
Post by: webadict on March 02, 2017, 09:41:09 pm
Are you so grievously injured? Perhaps some bandages are in order?But... But I just said...?Indeed. So our flavor then? What of it?Only that which may help divine that which is necessary to serve.
So you want ability names?
Also, nice posting restriction :P.
Alright, nevermind then.
So if I told you about a certain serious bodily injury in my flavortext, would it be what you wanted?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 02, 2017, 11:22:20 pm
Are you so grievously injured? Perhaps some bandages are in order?But... But I just said...?Indeed. So our flavor then? What of it?Only that which may help divine that which is necessary to serve.
So you want ability names?
Also, nice posting restriction :P.
Alright, nevermind then.
So if I told you about a certain serious bodily injury in my flavortext, would it be what you wanted?
...sure?
I can't tell if you're serious and I have no idea what you mean either way.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 03, 2017, 12:10:03 am
Cinder: webadict
TheDarkStar: TBF, 4maskwolf
TBF: TheDarkStar
Post by: hops on March 03, 2017, 02:30:08 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 03, 2017, 04:51:37 am
None of these are good options imo, but I guess that's how first days always go.If you think there's a better option, why not vote for that option?
Vote-request count:I don't even have a vote request out you goof, I teal-texted TBF for my own amusement but never actually have lime-greened anyone.
Cinder: webadict
TheDarkStar: TBF, 4maskwolf
TBF: TheDarkStar
Post by: hops on March 03, 2017, 05:00:27 am
Post by: hops on March 03, 2017, 05:04:21 am
Post by: webadict on March 03, 2017, 06:35:36 am
The main issue is that I only have an idea on who isn't scum, not who is scum.Then work backwards. Eliminate those you feel are town, and what you have left are the suspicious.
Post by: Tiruin on March 03, 2017, 07:00:03 am
*Tiruin writes Cin as newbie and prepares to hug her all the while grilling them :P [It was discussed on discord, BEFORE THIS GAME, that Cin wanted to play Mafia 'with you guys', so she joined in here, I linked this thread, people hopped on xD]The main issue is that I only have an idea on who isn't scum, not who is scum.Then work backwards. Eliminate those you feel are town, and what you have left are the suspicious.
So yeah, I'm doing the same newbie card stuff I do in all my games.
And anyway, that's the general issue with everyone :O
Tiruin:What on earth do you mean byI am in doubt that one can submit a role with an intent to mould that role as.QuoteYou submitted a Shakeragian role, with an intent. There is no way someone can submit a role with an intent as it declarifies the game and pretty much makes bias out of the GM, who would be impartial (and I doubt this is so bastard/twisted that the GM becomes a force within the game >_>)?
FoU: Do you randomize the roles from what you get or can you be requested to put a theme to it or something?
That also means I'm not immediately a threat, just to mention that to mafia.Y'know if I was mafia, I'd be all over you. But that'd be silly either way (if I was or wasn't) because of this. :P
That and this could be someone planning something, from a mafiame perspective :O so...
...Are you trying out stuff on Day 1, there?
Because you're pretty much doing something by generating responses and intrigue from people moreso than the value of your role :O
Tiruin: You didn't actually answer my RVS question you goof, you ignoring me makes me sad :( :PW-what question ._.;
I have an idea of what Cinder's role archetype might be. It's not a very concrete one, to tell the truth.Wooooow. "Role archetype". ::)
So in my impression, you're just like webadict who has some sorta info on other people. Oooooo.
Nice response :V
But why are you in anyway communicating this freely when it's pretty much inferred from people?
You're being a bit harsh on him, don'tcha think?4mask is the snarky dude guy no matter what role or alignment he is :P Just to warn.
The same may apply to:
> Shakerag
> Webadict
...and that's as far as I recall people's possible personalities in their playstyle. All of whom, however, are very decent people that one would love to hang out with IRL. But yeah.
TDS: How do you plan to proceed with today? We're doing exchanges of communication and it's pretty much a forever-day until people begin pointing at one another based on principles presented.
How will you proceed with seeing other people?
? Role name choice definitely has an impact on what kind of role people get. The GM still has final say of course, but our role name submissions are his inspiration for roles. (Sidenote: I was really hoping for a role that gave me complete control over the lynch without anyone else knowing it, but Fallacy was not amused and gave me a weaker role).Well >_>
I can agree with you there for general beneficial reasons.
Nyoobees! :Dflame99: What's one tell you're prone to making as scum?No clue, I've never really played Mafia before. In my experience with Town of Salem, I guess I tend to go for over-ambitious gambits that backfire on me. Not necessarily as scum, but in ToS, scum has more capability for that sort of thing.
Me: Why the fuck am I asking myself a question?
Alright, general questions for you--do you understand the power of implications and context for people? This game is pretty unorthodox compared to a vanilla game, so this covers how mechanics work and the 'personal perception of degrees of power' in a role and in day play.
Which generally includes how people communicate with each other in a Mafia game context :O Have you had any experience (same question to BHK//Cinder)) on a forum-based Mafia//on Bay12 before?
If not: Welcome to the Bay12 Mafia! :D
All my text here is a general newbie greeting and does not and should not preclude me from being nice town/mafia/other in one's perception.
Hey webbywuubs
What do you think about me? o_o
What do you think about others when they try to soft-claim-but-not-really when it's possibly in people's words; how they say them?
We need more RVS here. I'm PFPing due to being busy but please don't hold back on shooting me questions! :D
Post by: Tiruin on March 03, 2017, 07:02:18 am
Tuesday [March 7] seems good. Forum time please?
Post by: webadict on March 03, 2017, 07:23:22 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 03, 2017, 07:35:42 am
Think about you? I'm no paid thinker. I'm merely a hired tool, a servant, for a cause much greater than I. But if you'd like to trade, I may be able to help: a favor for you flavor, but only that which may aid you.My flavor?
I believe I have mentioned it already. :P
Although, to play this wordgame, one should note that there are unorthodox methods of speaking--I recall a beautiful game in the past played with parasites and me being flipped over by Toaster who was a doctor :I
Mostly because my memory is pretty hazy tonight, I'm moreso saying that I won't be able to get your words in hindsight <_<
That leads me to wonder this :I Are you seriously putting that good story writing vibes here? Because you're getting me talking D:<
How would you help me with 'my flavor' if I was to do the same as I perceive everyone else here? "Soft" soft claiming to help others?
Equal danger all round. Although 'danger' is oft a word used with negative connotations when when I say that, it's of neutrality. :I
Question for you web: Check my words well. It's all up here and I want answers. (Although you writing all that reminds me of Vector ;~;)
I would like to ask why the intrigue, why the mystery?
Not to note that there's no PM trading unlike in the last game we played in (Meph's Paranormal), so how will you check flavor? I've already given mine straight as day, no semantic confuzzles, straight up plain sight.
Post by: webadict on March 03, 2017, 08:14:32 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 03, 2017, 08:19:05 am
> Web, why the offer of aid so early in game? What would be the difference until later on?
> TBF: You haven't answered my question :P
.....Your behavior confuses me.Also how do you understand people at the moment?
> Other than BHK/FLame/Cin, the rest are ol' players and it seems that there is a LACK of lists of people getting questions :O From...more than probable scumteam#. (2 in my opinion)
PPE: Ohai.
I'm just curious why the Canada. :P
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 03, 2017, 08:31:03 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 03, 2017, 08:42:07 am
@Tiruin:I do not have information on anyone besides myself. I was guessing, to tell the truth. Does that make sense?Now I've no idea why you said that or why you didn't still answer my question :P
TBFQuite possibly.Are you going to post more, with more stuff than acknowledgement of other people's ideas? :P
And, how do you generally plan to communicate? This needs an answer of a concrete idea rather than a vague abstracted one.
Also for y'all, a Shakeragian role is commonly of the ol' American styled theme. "Role that {Does something ordinately particular}", like "The Role that Stops you from"
It was something in the making for quite some time :P (Search: "Shakeragian" in this board). With possible metahistory being important (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156890.0) given Shakeragian design. Wait wrong tab, THIS ONE (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.0) has Shakeragian roles--you can turn to page ...70+ (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6938207#msg6938207) and notice how a Shakeragian role is.[...]<3
Maybe I'll run a BYOR in the future just for you, Shakerag.
MY BODY IS READY
It's like Dadaism with style.
Post by: hops on March 03, 2017, 10:21:40 am
Post by: hops on March 03, 2017, 10:24:20 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 03, 2017, 10:33:01 am
Also, because I felt it necessary to correct a misconception.
Post by: webadict on March 03, 2017, 11:02:04 am
Come to think of it, we're probably facing a two person scumteam given 9 players, and I'm curious about a few things summarized here:Because I have Canadian paraphernalia.
> Web, why the offer of aid so early in game? What would be the difference until later on?
> TBF: You haven't answered my question :P.....Your behavior confuses me.Also how do you understand people at the moment?
> Other than BHK/FLame/Cin, the rest are ol' players and it seems that there is a LACK of lists of people getting questions :O From...more than probable scumteam#. (2 in my opinion)
PPE: Ohai.
I'm just curious why the Canada. :P
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 03, 2017, 11:09:02 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 03, 2017, 11:29:40 am
FoU: Do you randomize the roles from what you get or can you be requested to put a theme to it or something?I do whatever I feel like(and I feel is balanced) with the name submission I receive.
The "putting a theme to it" sounds like a nice idea, though. Might use that for a future FBYOR.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 03, 2017, 03:18:13 pm
Tiruin: How many scum are there this game? How many third parties? How useless are these questions, on a scale of "completely useless" to "what the fuck are you smoking and where can I get some?".These questions. You know, the ones that I posted at the beginning of the day.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 03, 2017, 04:50:35 pm
A rolename is a much higher price than I'm asking. I never granted my own, so I do not expect as such from you.Pff. True names are only headology.
If you wish to pay such a high price, however, there is a much better chance that I can reward something to your delight. But it may be dangerous to know the True Name of a man. Many things can be done to those that know such knowledge.
So, be wary.
My name is Esmerelda Weatherwax. They call me Granny, or the Hag o' Hags, or K'ez'rek d'b'duz, or Aaoograha hoa. I am Good, because I do what is Right. I am not Nice, and I can't be havin' with that sort of thing.
Show me what you got.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 03, 2017, 05:44:55 pm
Bold choice, DA.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 03, 2017, 05:55:51 pm
Regardless of how this turns out, it should be most informative. Although I suspect that the information he will receive (if any) will not be received until the night anyway, so we may as well move on with the silliness that is D1 of a mafia game.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 03, 2017, 06:19:59 pm
Also to help stuff out, TDS, I believe setting a due date for talk and votes would benefit greater rather than letting a lie-loose-time for 'TDSHammer'ing :P
Tuesday [March 7] seems good. Forum time please?
A time limit sounds like a good idea. In the past, they've been good for driving discussion. Due to no time on Tuesday, I'll end the day at... 5pm forum time on Monday. Also, I don't like extends so you all better decide on who to lynch by then.
That said, are you in a position to disclose more on the specifics of your role, TDS?
The majority of my actual role is already stated on the first post of the game describing the voting system (there's also some text stating that the description of the voting system will be displayed to everyone and some other text stating that I actually have the control over the voting system that the stated description claims I do).
Cinder: Why do you ask?
Vote-request count:
Cinder: webadict, TheDarkStar
TheDarkStar: TBF
Tiruin: 4maskwolf
Post by: Tiruin on March 03, 2017, 10:08:45 pm
@Tiruin:I don't understand your question, please define "freely".That wasn't even in the question. >_>
Also, because I felt it necessary to correct a misconception.
Tiruin:The questions I missed and hence asked you to bop me about, yes. :PTiruin: How many scum are there this game? How many third parties? How useless are these questions, on a scale of "completely useless" to "what the fuck are you smoking and where can I get some?".These questions. You know, the ones that I posted at the beginning of the day.
...I'm getting suggest-voted because of missing things.
I just answered some indirectly even without seeing your question >_> I mentioned possibly 2 given a 9 player setup.
Third parties would be probably 2 or 1, given 7 players left in that possibility; one mafia wouldn't be possible unless this is a super power setup. Scum would also include malevolent third parties but knowing you, you say 'mafia' as scum usually :I
And how can I rate those questions as useless when you asked me them I: and I see use in EVERYTHING.
*Tiruin gives 4mask a 3/5 for customer comfortability.
How do you see other people currently?
Because I have Canadian paraphernalia.Uhh...okay? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphernalia)
o-o
Cheers with Canada there.
Reminds me too of a past game where people would have in-flavor moments connected to their role and wincon. :I
TDS intrigue intensifies.FoU: Do you randomize the roles from what you get or can you be requested to put a theme to it or something?I do whatever I feel like(and I feel is balanced) with the name submission I receive.
The "putting a theme to it" sounds like a nice idea, though. Might use that for a future FBYOR.
Webadict:Oh now I'm remembering LNCP's SPY MAFIA GAME :IA rolename is a much higher price than I'm asking. I never granted my own, so I do not expect as such from you.Pff. True names are only headology.
If you wish to pay such a high price, however, there is a much better chance that I can reward something to your delight. But it may be dangerous to know the True Name of a man. Many things can be done to those that know such knowledge.
So, be wary.
My name is Esmerelda Weatherwax. They call me Granny, or the Hag o' Hags, or K'ez'rek d'b'duz, or Aaoograha hoa. I am Good, because I do what is Right. I am not Nice, and I can't be havin' with that sort of thing.
Show me what you got.
This really feels like you are doing that to get webadict to speak about stuff more. But carry on. :V
This feels so strange >_> We've nothing to go on but people soft-softclaiming as of this time being and it feels like people are being utterly cautious around each other.
Oh my.Oh wow.
Bold choice, DA.
/me Steeples his fingers and observesNow this is intriguing. Other people knowing stuff. :V
Regardless of how this turns out, it should be most informative. Although I suspect that the information he will receive (if any) will not be received until the night anyway, so we may as well move on with the silliness that is D1 of a mafia game.
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 02:56:25 am
Webadict:Hmm, that's a tricky one... THE Granny Weatherwax! She would want many things and nothing, though she'd never willingly tell me either.A rolename is a much higher price than I'm asking. I never granted my own, so I do not expect as such from you.Pff. True names are only headology.
If you wish to pay such a high price, however, there is a much better chance that I can reward something to your delight. But it may be dangerous to know the True Name of a man. Many things can be done to those that know such knowledge.
So, be wary.
My name is Esmerelda Weatherwax. They call me Granny, or the Hag o' Hags, or K'ez'rek d'b'duz, or Aaoograha hoa. I am Good, because I do what is Right. I am not Nice, and I can't be havin' with that sort of thing.
Show me what you got.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 02:59:30 am
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 03:02:47 am
webadict:Did you see what I said in my earlier post?Did you see what I wrote in mine? I don't give out freebies. Trade info for info.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 03:39:05 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 03:40:59 am
Post by: hops on March 04, 2017, 04:11:17 am
Because given the nature of your role, you will likely die regardless of whether you are town or scum by tonight. If you have more utility than controlling the vote, then maybe somebody who is capable migt be able to protect you.That said, are you in a position to disclose more on the specifics of your role, TDS?
The majority of my actual role is already stated on the first post of the game describing the voting system (there's also some text stating that the description of the voting system will be displayed to everyone and some other text stating that I actually have the control over the voting system that the stated description claims I do).
Cinder: Why do you ask?
Post by: hops on March 04, 2017, 04:14:06 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 04, 2017, 05:20:16 am
Also, why would I ask more specifics on your role if I was scum? I would just keep quiet and kill you.Or you'd ask more specifics in order to determine whether he's truly a threat or if voting mechanics are all he does. After all, if the scum can manipulate a town TDS sufficiently, they can keep him around as a useful idiot who can force the lynch to go in their favor or not at all. If TDS is town, his power cuts both ways: he's able to make decisions on who to put up for lynch, but he can be manipulated into using that power on the wrong people and keep the scum from being in consideration for the lynch.
webadict: What you're doing here is quite clever, regardless of your alignment and role. I'm interested in seeing how you proceed with this, so to that end...
Who am I? Well I suppose that depends on who you ask. If you ask my friends, they'll tell you a lot of things, but if you ask a stranger? I'm really nobody special. I wasn't top of my class, I was never a star athlete, I was never the best at my job. If you passed me on the street, I'd just be another face in the crowd, somebody you wouldn't remember within a minute as new people pass. But if there's one thing I can say for myself... well, I'm certainly determined, and if that's all that counted I'd be right near the top.
Post by: hops on March 04, 2017, 05:29:36 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 04, 2017, 07:02:26 am
:V
That said, TBF, I'd like a lot more substance out of you this game (and...even a note if you missed how many times I asked you something and then mentioned something wholly out of context). What are your thoughts about others?
PFP
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 09:18:05 am
@webadict:...Okay, I'll buy in to your thing. Whatcha got in there?Many things for many people. Depends on who's asking. I believe I have a list of prices already displayed. The more info you give, the better I can help you.
That doesn't matter because a town killing role can choose to kill TDS, anyways.Having anyone control the vote is NOT as much of an advantage as you think. If TDS dies, the lynch goes back to normal, I presume, which means if he hits scum, he might die. If he misses, well... it can be good to shift the blame onto him, which makes him be pressured to do better. It is very hard to do a job like that.
@4mask: Are you having a good day?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 10:36:32 am
webadict:I think you're missing some info in my posts. In fact, it's getting to the point in which I might actually claim because you're not getting in.
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 11:19:07 am
Tiruin:Well what exactly are your questions, and have you ever read Discworld?... I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume that 8/9 players understand what you do.
webadict:I think you're missing some info in my posts. In fact, it's getting to the point in which I might actually claim because you're not getting in.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 11:20:34 am
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 01:12:59 pm
All 9 players have done it.Unless your role is "Participant of Fallacy's BYOR," I can't hazard a guess.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 01:17:04 pm
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 01:46:25 pm
Look in the first posts.Nah. I literally do not have time for you.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 02:02:12 pm
*cough*
*cough*
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 04, 2017, 02:05:46 pm
@4mask: Are you having a good day?Meh, we're still no closer to finding scum, so I'll go with "so-so".
TBF You're being cheeky, but in a very annoying fashion, and you literally just dodged Tiruin's request for reads. Less spazzing and veiled hints and more interaction would be nice. I'll repeat the question you were asked earlier: what are your thoughts on the other players in this game?
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 02:10:36 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 02:16:15 pm
... You're an !in? I have nothing for you.More of an 'in!'.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 02:27:58 pm
Wuba is weird. Seems towny, but weird. I'm somewhat surprised he does not have any information on my role. Perhaps he needs to look with more enthusiasm. *cough*
I don't have many reads on anyone else because I've mostly been focusing on wuba.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 04, 2017, 02:30:55 pm
@4mask:Surely you have a reason to believe he is townie, then? You even comment on how enigmatic he's being but then list him as townie: why?
Wuba is weird. Seems towny, but weird.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 02:48:14 pm
Now that you mention it, I really, really don't.@4mask:Surely you have a reason to believe he is townie, then? You even comment on how enigmatic he's being but then list him as townie: why?
Wuba is weird. Seems towny, but weird.
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 03:43:59 pm
Ah, I believe you misunderstood. Everything I have is no longer available to you. Mostly because I can do more with anyone else.... You're an !in? I have nothing for you.More of an 'in!'.
I actually do have something for you... But, you didn't read everything I said. My responsibility is to make sure that only those helpful and productive members obtain my services.
You are not one.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 04:16:28 pm
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 05:49:48 pm
And exactly how was that determined?By me. I figured that was made fairly obvious.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 05:59:25 pm
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 06:27:42 pm
Why exactly do you think I'm not helpful/productive in this case?... I'm... Is this a real question? Answer me this: Why do I have to do ANYTHING for you? What have you done? Do something useful, and I'll consider it. But, frankly, talking to you makes me angry, so it probably won't. And you'll ask me a question, and I'll get angrier, because it'll be "Why are you angry?" instead of, oh, I dunno, maybe trying to answer for yourself. Which is half the reason I don't want to help you. You never seem to take the initiative to find the answers. So, why would I give you anything? You'll never give back. Greedy? Absolutely. But, I don't have time to answer every question for you. Because if that's the case, we can literally play this game without you.
And that very last sentence is why you are last on the list to help.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 06:33:34 pm
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 07:04:02 pm
Let me rephrase: What do you consider useful, exactly?Should I copy and paste my last reply?
Post by: flame99 on March 04, 2017, 07:14:29 pm
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2017, 07:25:36 pm
This might be a little bit presumptuous, seeing as I haven't played much, but I suggest we avoid trusting either Webadict or TBF. If they're fighting like this, it's doubtful that the two are both scum, but one or the other might be independent. Do note I'm not leveling an accusation and I think it's too early to try to lynch them, but let's not take what they say as granted.Why aren't you leveling an accusation?
Post by: Tiruin on March 04, 2017, 08:00:09 pm
This might be a little bit presumptuous, seeing as I haven't played much, but I suggest we avoid trusting either Webadict or TBF. If they're fighting like this, it's doubtful that the two are both scum, but one or the other might be independent. Do note I'm not leveling an accusation and I think it's too early to try to lynch them, but let's not take what they say as granted.This was my thinking before the post got eaten--TBF is acting sporadically shortsighted [ok, focus on webadict. Then wat. There seems to be no evident progress at all, and you'll only be left with looking at how others interacted to find scum.], and webadict is either being his noir and mysterious self...
Or rather clever in rolefishing in a way, via reaction telling in a way. Still have no idea why Canada at first but he's only got a small sample of the population in responses and it's not that...full, given several people not having a response to some of his posts during that time.
That said, my best impression is that people must be active today--I'm reading well on webadict by virtue of his posting, and in comparison to TBF, while I'm still lost in what he's doing (I mean, my role is me, and I'm a Filipina, not Canadian.[/sillypoke] :v), I can read into him quite well.
In contrast, while your meta is brevity due to phone--not acknowledging other people is both rude, and a rather acrid tell on the scum Ph meter. It's not rather a scumtell because one can actually be town while focusing on others, but what does that entail for anyone is the implications of your activity. Scum can easily use that if you're town, and if you're scum it's rather not a good way of playing the day game [did...you take up a BM? ._.] as it lessens your opportunities UNLESS there is verifiable notes in your role [that given this setting and setup, is reasonable in part] which allows you to confer or get a substantial read on other people.
TBF (because it's not for use anyway and red is particularly best at the seeing-light-o-meter...although I do like Orange), I would like you to address other people here too. There's no wrong in doing that, and you're doing as much key presses on your phone than I am on my laptoppy.
Is there any reason you're avoiding answering me?
Is there any reason you've a lackluster answer to others here?
Webadict can be eeehhhh, but how do you even follow that up? You're being vague at him--while he's being vague because that's how he was earlier on [and generally, other people--especially town--do not interrupt what they see as implied reads-going-on; that's a lesson I learned early on by reading others' posts and wondering how it goes while in their figurative shoes, if it somehow seems like it's going somewhere, interruptions aren't had until later on]
As noting that most people aren't posting that much, I assume passive observation in play. As in people reading up others.
Flame99/BlackheartKabal/Cinder: How do you feel about today? What are your gists on other players?
@Flame: I find reason in your thinking, so who do you find would be best for your insights for now and later on?
Deus Asmoth: Can I ask a read list from you thus far given possible passive observation from you? Do you think there's
4mask: Followup ideas on your insights on people.
TDS (Not TBF because the lettering is similar): I feel like a no-lynch is also a possibility. Setting a standard here, my role has a common power and a one-shot appended [though I'm amorphous because wow FoU, nice work in making me decide what abilities to be :I yea this is softclaiming because I am nothing but me.], given the ratio of a possible 7/2 in general from utterly Mafia to Town/otherwise, tonight would be pretty much either--if depending on people's ideas in extremes, a high-power play game [like all those mass protects and stuff]--or people doing pattern targeting. This is inferred and based on the notion of role powers over the lynch [and that TDS would control the vote tomorrow anyway, so without saying anything, there's also a play on who targets who which would lead to more reads].
PPE x1
PFP
Post by: Tiruin on March 04, 2017, 08:09:03 pm
@4mask: Are you having a good day?Meh, we're still no closer to finding scum, so I'll go with "so-so".
TBF You're being cheeky, but in a very annoying fashion, and you literally just dodged Tiruin's request for reads. Less spazzing and veiled hints and more interaction would be nice. I'll repeat the question you were asked earlier: what are your thoughts on the other players in this game?
@4mask:
Wuba is weird. Seems towny, but weird. I'm somewhat surprised he does not have any information on my role. Perhaps he needs to look with more enthusiasm. *cough*
I don't have many reads on anyone else because I've mostly been focusing on wuba.
This should've been in my latest post, but that's for emphasis on being rudely ignored.
It's like I'm on a block list but even if one is in a block list--all their posts will be shown while you browse, just in a spoiler format so you don't see the content by default.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 08:26:15 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 04, 2017, 08:27:54 pm
They probably were a little, but that's because I was trying to get Wuba to notice my softclaiming.I don't even know what you're referring to now. :I
/me fizzles.
[Haaaa, I can use the /me tags now that red stuff dun matter...mechanically at the moment!~]
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 04, 2017, 09:27:12 pm
....You notice how literally every post I addressed to him had 'in' in it a lot?They probably were a little, but that's because I was trying to get Wuba to notice my softclaiming.I don't even know what you're referring to now. :I
/me fizzles.
[Haaaa, I can use the /me tags now that red stuff dun matter...mechanically at the moment!~]
That.
Also, it was re:your spoiler.
@Tiruin megapost:I'm not avoiding answering you as much as what are your questions?!
What do you mean a 'lackluster answer to others'? What answers are you talking about? You're always going on about context, so provide me some, would you?
Post by: Tiruin on March 05, 2017, 05:31:33 am
You addressed nothing I've asked and the only 'in' place are in less than 50% of your posts entirely. Most notably that weird as semantics first post and that one other post in the last page talking with merchant!Webadict. <_<....You notice how literally every post I addressed to him had 'in' in it a lot?They probably were a little, but that's because I was trying to get Wuba to notice my softclaiming.I don't even know what you're referring to now. :I
/me fizzles.
[Haaaa, I can use the /me tags now that red stuff dun matter...mechanically at the moment!~]
That.
Also, it was re:your spoiler.[...]
@Tiruin megapost:I'm not avoiding answering you as much as what are your questions?!"What are my questions" == "I POSTED THEM REPEATEDLY IN THE pAST PAGES D:<"
What do you mean a 'lackluster answer to others'? What answers are you talking about? You're always going on about context, so provide me some, would you?
And lackluster in comparison because you FOCUSING ON WEBADICT is wholly based on YOURSELF as there's no open discussion being presented--it really comes more along only a benefit to yourself or whatever role you've got; while I understand that that may be part of your idea of efficiency, it's not an alignment efficiency [town or scum so neutral point], but it's pretty behind-the-posts-and-scenes that it's not...well, it's going along the line of spending the whole day doing that.
So that's pretty much most of the context. Otherwise, it's more my impression that you're following your own plans of today and somehow tunneling on someone is "a good idea". O_o
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 11:18:10 am
I am incredibly confused by this post.You addressed nothing I've asked and the only 'in' place are in less than 50% of your posts entirely. Most notably that weird as semantics first post and that one other post in the last page talking with merchant!Webadict. <_<....You notice how literally every post I addressed to him had 'in' in it a lot?They probably were a little, but that's because I was trying to get Wuba to notice my softclaiming.I don't even know what you're referring to now. :I
/me fizzles.
[Haaaa, I can use the /me tags now that red stuff dun matter...mechanically at the moment!~]
That.
Also, it was re:your spoiler.[...]@Tiruin megapost:I'm not avoiding answering you as much as what are your questions?!"What are my questions" == "I POSTED THEM REPEATEDLY IN THE pAST PAGES D:<"
What do you mean a 'lackluster answer to others'? What answers are you talking about? You're always going on about context, so provide me some, would you?
And lackluster in comparison because you FOCUSING ON WEBADICT is wholly based on YOURSELF as there's no open discussion being presented--it really comes more along only a benefit to yourself or whatever role you've got; while I understand that that may be part of your idea of efficiency, it's not an alignment efficiency [town or scum so neutral point], but it's pretty behind-the-posts-and-scenes that it's not...well, it's going along the line of spending the whole day doing that.
So that's pretty much most of the context. Otherwise, it's more my impression that you're following your own plans of today and somehow tunneling on someone is "a good idea". O_o
Tiruin: Tell me your questions, don't say "they're somewhere else" when I've obviously failed to notice them and then hold it out as a sign of tunneling.
Post by: Tiruin on March 05, 2017, 11:42:28 am
You've noticed them by proxy, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7381085#msg7381085) through 4maskwolf (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7381070#msg7381070), and then you throw a suggestion vote that's blatantly an OMGUS (I finally am able to use that term or something similar) just because you couldn't scroll back or talk to me directly >_>
And it's more a sign that you're being inattentive as I did NOT mention that my questions are CONNECTED WITH YOUR ACTING ON WEBADICT.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 11:44:29 am
Post by: webadict on March 05, 2017, 01:15:06 pm
Tiruin, I don't think he really understands exactly how frustrating he is to deal with.
Also, flame99 is probably scum.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 01:16:29 pm
Post by: webadict on March 05, 2017, 01:45:15 pm
webadict:You say flame is scum. Why?He puts forward a binary claim and refuses to pick a side himself. It's a pretty scummy thing to do, especially considering I have doubts that he read most of what I had said.
Post by: hops on March 05, 2017, 01:47:07 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 01:51:17 pm
Post by: hops on March 05, 2017, 01:59:16 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 02:07:51 pm
Post by: webadict on March 05, 2017, 02:39:26 pm
Keep in mind that flame99 is new to forum Mafia and typically plays Town of Salem.Using their meta, my argument is that much stronger.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 05, 2017, 06:22:26 pm
4mask: Followup ideas on your insights on people.Huh?
I have no idea what you're asking for here, but in the context I'm just going to assume you're asking for reads. Alright, here's all the non-null reads I have as of now.
TBF: His laconic princeliness himself, although he's still second to Org in that regard. Slight scum, I have no idea what his OMGUS vote on Tiruin was about so I'm going to assume malice before stupidity (it's mafia, after all, and they're not a particularly new player).
webadict: Slight not-scum (as opposed to necessarily town), his little play at the beginning would have benefited the scum somewhat but benefits the town more by allowing them to look at reactions regardless of Wuby's actual alignment. I'm not discarding the possiblity that he's a third party rolefishing to find a specific person (or that he's a Cheetar-esque serial killer: no, we're never going to let you live down that game).
Cinder: Neutral for one very specific reason: Cinder, BHK, and flame are apparently all dating, and honestly I don't think they should have joined a game together because I'm afraid it's going to skew their ability to find scum, especially if one or more of them are on the scumteam. But for that reason, I can excuse the defense of flame, at least this time.
Deus Asmoth: Town read due to his response to webadict. No, I'm not going to give more specifics, because that will make it harder for me to analyze anyone else who (in a serious manner) responds to him in the same way.
People I have null reads on:
TDS: Has talked almost exclusively about his role and the lynch mechanics since the game started, with a couple exceptions.
Tiruin: Always difficult for me to read, although I'm looking over her stuff again since she's actually posting a lot D1 this time.
BHK: Pretty much no content right now.
flame99: Almost earned himself a scum read and a vote but is new, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 06:31:24 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 05, 2017, 06:36:41 pm
4mask:Do you think it's just bad luck we can't understand Tiruin?Tiruin uses some strange grammar from time to time, I've gotten used to it in the three-four years I've played with her. Doesn't mean it's not mildly annoying when it happens, but what can you do?
However, I have a more interesting question: did you mean your question to sound like a backhanded accusation of Tiruin being scum? Because that's certainly what it sounded like.
In other news:
BHK and flame: Post more. Talk, interact, make accusations. If you're quiet, that makes it that much easier for the scum to go undetected, and that much easier for you to get lynched down the road because other players have been soft-cleared by their play and you haven't. Regardless of your alignment, it's in your best interest to be active, especially in a game like this where there's no guarantee you'll live to see tomorrow (even moreso than usual).
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 06:41:07 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 05, 2017, 06:47:38 pm
I am somewhat suspicious of the denser-than-usual impenetrability, manufactured pretexts, and accusations of me ignoring them that aren't particularly justified.Which begs a couple of follow-up questions:
a) Why haven't you made this accusation earlier?
b) Why haven't you made this accusation at all?
Rather than make this accusation prior to now, you voted for Tiruin with no stated grounds and never actually said what you were suspicious of, instead choosing to hint at it in a thinly veiled question to me. Why did you feel the need to obfuscate your suspicions?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 06:51:12 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 05, 2017, 07:29:44 pm
TBF: general question etiquette is to put the addressee's name in front of the question, in bold. Why do you seem to feel it's easier for you to tell Tiruin to repeat questions she's already asked you than to look at her previous posts for questions addressed to you like that, or with your name in voting colours? And since you're saying Tiruin is unfairly accusing you of ignoring her questions, it's worth mentioning that you still haven't answered any of them.
Webadict:
Do I need to ask you for some information specifically, or is there a pre-selected lucky dip I can get my prize from?Webadict:Hmm, that's a tricky one... THE Granny Weatherwax! She would want many things and nothing, though she'd never willingly tell me either.A rolename is a much higher price than I'm asking. I never granted my own, so I do not expect as such from you.Pff. True names are only headology.
If you wish to pay such a high price, however, there is a much better chance that I can reward something to your delight. But it may be dangerous to know the True Name of a man. Many things can be done to those that know such knowledge.
So, be wary.
My name is Esmerelda Weatherwax. They call me Granny, or the Hag o' Hags, or K'ez'rek d'b'duz, or Aaoograha hoa. I am Good, because I do what is Right. I am not Nice, and I can't be havin' with that sort of thing.
Show me what you got.
flame:
This might be a little bit presumptuous, seeing as I haven't played much, but I suggest we avoid trusting either Webadict or TBF. If they're fighting like this, it's doubtful that the two are both scum, but one or the other might be independent. Do note I'm not leveling an accusation and I think it's too early to try to lynch them, but let's not take what they say as granted.Is there a player who you do take what they say as granted? If so, why? If not, why mention this for TBF or webadict specifically if you don't seem especially suspicious of them?
Tiruin:
Deus Asmoth: Can I ask a read list from you thus far given possible passive observation from you? Do you think there'sI think there might be something missing here. As regards reads, I was kind of hoping to get the secrets of the universe from webadict, but since that hasn't happened yet I'll have to muddle through.
- webadict: Inclined to think he's town-sided, even if his information broker think is just a reaction test.
- BHK: Last post was 100 posts ago, or three days. Not much to go on, aside from some RVS stuff.
- Cinder: High quantity of posts, but not much material contained within. Has mentioned having some idea of who the think isn't scum, but hasn't done a whole lot yet to decide who they think is, also is worried about getting night killed based off role. Could be a standard new player thing of not wanting to die.
- flame: Worried about sounding accusatory while also asking people not to trust certain players. I've never played Town of Salem, so it could just be a meta-game thing from there, or it could be an overly cautious new scum player. Also of note, flame only loves Cinder, not BHK. Very suspicious, that.
- TBF: Playing to what is apparently his meta. I'm not really sure what to make of him, to be honest, but the apparent OMGUS and still not being bothered to read a single (game) day's worth of posts tips towards scum.
-TDS: Leaning not-scum since I'm inclined to believe that control of the lynch would only be given to a town or third party player considering how abusable it would be in the hands of scum, but I also don't know the details of the game, so who knows. Has spent most of the day discussing his own role and webadict's claim. I imagine he'll be a high priority inspect target, assuming we have any cops.
-4mask: fairly standard town lean based off activity and post content.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 07:34:05 pm
Because it is.
Teal is fake FoS, yes.
I can't answer them if I don't know what I'm being asked.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 05, 2017, 08:02:56 pm
TheBiggerFish: So you think that the level of inpenetrability in Tiruin's posts is higher than average? Give specifics, that's a rather vague statement. What do you think she's trying to hide, in this case?
Post by: webadict on March 05, 2017, 08:07:12 pm
webadict: Slight not-scum (as opposed to necessarily town), his little play at the beginning would have benefited the scum somewhat but benefits the town more by allowing them to look at reactions regardless of Wuby's actual alignment. I'm not discarding the possiblity that he's a third party rolefishing to find a specific person (or that he's a Cheetar-esque serial killer: no, we're never going to let you live down that game).You make one game with 7 SKs...
Webadict:Answering this question is going to paint a target on my back, but you gave your role name, so it's a fair trade to answer this: Yes. I have an inventory of items to give away, and these items are based on flavor from your role. I have an action that allows me to determine the exact item to give to a player, but this would limit my ability to do so.Do I need to ask you for some information specifically, or is there a pre-selected lucky dip I can get my prize from?Webadict:Hmm, that's a tricky one... THE Granny Weatherwax! She would want many things and nothing, though she'd never willingly tell me either.A rolename is a much higher price than I'm asking. I never granted my own, so I do not expect as such from you.Pff. True names are only headology.
If you wish to pay such a high price, however, there is a much better chance that I can reward something to your delight. But it may be dangerous to know the True Name of a man. Many things can be done to those that know such knowledge.
So, be wary.
My name is Esmerelda Weatherwax. They call me Granny, or the Hag o' Hags, or K'ez'rek d'b'duz, or Aaoograha hoa. I am Good, because I do what is Right. I am not Nice, and I can't be havin' with that sort of thing.
Show me what you got.
And, I'll go one step further. This is a limited selection of items I have:
A [REDACTED].
A geology textbook.
A pair of binoculars.
A [REDACTED].
A sturdy pickaxe.
A basket of herbs.
A [CANADIAN REDACTED, EH].
A megaphone.
A set of [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] on them.
A [REDACTED].
A charm bracelet.
A pair of purple boots.
Redacted items are explicitly dangerous items, that I feel uneasy sharing.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 08:31:02 pm
Post by: webadict on March 05, 2017, 08:42:15 pm
Huh. The megaphone sounds relevant.That was the item I felt belonged to you.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 05, 2017, 08:43:38 pm
webadict: So it's Smstr w/ Love all over again, eh?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 08:45:07 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 08:47:19 pm
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In contrast, while your meta is brevity due to phone--not acknowledging other people is both rude, and a rather acrid tell on the scum Ph meter. It's not rather a scumtell because one can actually be town while focusing on others, but what does that entail for anyone is the implications of your activity. Scum can easily use that if you're town, and if you're scum it's rather not a good way of playing the day game [did...you take up a BM? ._.] as it lessens your opportunities UNLESS there is verifiable notes in your role [that given this setting and setup, is reasonable in part] which allows you to confer or get a substantial read on other people.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 08:49:09 pm
Also, the basket of herbs sounds like something DA could use.Huh. The megaphone sounds relevant.That was the item I felt belonged to you.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 08:51:13 pm
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Wooooow. "Role archetype". ::)Emphasis added.
So in my impression, you're just like webadict who has some sorta info on other people. Oooooo.
Nice response :V
But why are you in anyway communicating this freely when it's pretty much inferred from people?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 08:56:43 pm
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...Curious.
You submitted a Shakeragian role, with an intent. There is no way someone can submit a role with an intent as it declarifies the game and pretty much makes bias out of the GM, who would be impartial (and I doubt this is so bastard/twisted that the GM becomes a force within the game >_>)
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 05, 2017, 09:00:57 pm
While having quotes is nice, it's the explanation and analysis of the quotes that actually counts. You need to explain _why_ you find these quotes scummy, as opposed to just posting them.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 05, 2017, 09:01:22 pm
Post by: webadict on March 05, 2017, 09:04:49 pm
TBF: I asked you a question.I miss that game... There was so much more to the flavor text than anyone really understood.
webadict: So it's Smstr w/ Love all over again, eh?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 05, 2017, 09:10:00 pm
OH FOR FUCKS SAKES WHY DO I ALWAYS DO THAT WHEN I WANT TO ITALICIZE SOMETHING!Presumably because you're used to Markdown.
Okay so....That may have to wait until RL cooperates with me slightly more than it has been.
While having quotes is nice, it's the explanation and analysis of the quotes that actually counts. You need to explain _why_ you find these quotes scummy, as opposed to just posting them.
Post by: Tiruin on March 06, 2017, 12:00:14 am
You're defending someone else. It looks like you're buddying up.Defending how? She's merely speaking about what she thinks about her friend -- Cinder and flame99 and BHK are friends outside of Mafia, and I do know that while they communicate with each other over the internet, they've got integrity during gaming that they don't disclose anything or give any subtle hints at all towards their current gameplay to each other.
How is it buddying when one says 'This person is new, their background of Mafia is as such'?
And how is this kind of 'defending' seen by you and webadict, although I get the reasoning for questioning her like that.
Just tell me the darn questions!Alrighty O_O
First is while you've been tunneling on webadict, you have possibly and inevitably read other people's posts (unless for some reason you're scrolling your phone, finding the kinged penguin avatar and reading only that...), so thereby you would have situational awareness. Back in my post which I now realize is missing another darn tab because of my lolinternets, I would be Unvoting because of having a difficult time in parsing your scumplay (and...mostly because of your comment in that one previous game that said 'I've been scum for 3 games consecutively' and I've checked back how you behaved then); this time has me seeing you as someone concernable, but leaning town recently.
Cinder:That behavior is, while admirable out of game, very scum-looking.Also it's lime green bro, not teal. :P
That's just 3 more lines until Lime Green.
I am somewhat suspicious of the denser-than-usual impenetrability, manufactured pretexts, and accusations of me ignoring them that aren't particularly justified.@4maskwolf below.
It's moreso that you never quoted me or even linked what I was saying despite 4mask having done so for you beforehand >_>
So that's how I interpreted me being 'ignored'; I have mentioned it as one way or another as non-scumtell or non-towntell and moreso how you behave which can lead onto adjusting those tells.
Was there anything 'impenetrable' or mystifying or nebulous about how I spoke?
4mask:Do you think it's just bad luck we can't understand Tiruin?Bad luck? :P I have no post restriction so everything I say can be scrutinized freely--I'd suggest direct communication as I am better read that way.
Because it didn't really hit me till now, and I'm not certain it's not just bad luck. And I originally voted Tiruin because they weren't answering my questions.In comparison to what? I like that you've noticed something--and 'I wasn't answering your questions' because I missed them [and then did] :v
What do you feel about how I speak?
How so?It depends both on personal reasoning and perspective really, this question is a good follow up when such is being suggested of your actions. :O
I have no idea what you're asking for here, but in the context I'm just going to assume you're asking for reads. Alright, here's all the non-null reads I have as of now.[...]Danke! :D
To be followed up later.
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Cinder: Neutral for one very specific reason: Cinder, BHK, and flame are apparently all dating, and honestly I don't think they should have joined a game together because I'm afraid it's going to skew their ability to find scum, especially if one or more of them are on the scumteam. But for that reason, I can excuse the defense of flame, at least this time.I'll probably speak in as a third-party to their integrity, but despite all that, they're not the folks to ruin the game that way [because y'know, it's something pretty much important].
But I would love to see more from them. :I :P
You can't learn better if you don't expose with guidance--and y'all got yourselves to guide you.
Tiruin:I'm a squeaky boot x.xDeus Asmoth: Can I ask a read list from you thus far given possible passive observation from you? Do you think there'sI think there might be something missing here. As regards reads, I was kind of hoping to get the secrets of the universe from webadict, but since that hasn't happened yet I'll have to muddle through.[...
It was to be 'Do you think there's [it was to be reworded on inquiring your impressions given people's claims and how to work with a Kingmaker-variant]'
Webbywubs (~'u')~
[...]:VWebadict:Answering this question is going to paint a target on my back, but you gave your role name, so it's a fair trade to answer this: Yes. I have an inventory of items to give away, and these items are based on flavor from your role. I have an action that allows me to determine the exact item to give to a player, but this would limit my ability to do so.Do I need to ask you for some information specifically, or is there a pre-selected lucky dip I can get my prize from?Webadict:Hmm, that's a tricky one... THE Granny Weatherwax! She would want many things and nothing, though she'd never willingly tell me either.A rolename is a much higher price than I'm asking. I never granted my own, so I do not expect as such from you.Pff. True names are only headology.
If you wish to pay such a high price, however, there is a much better chance that I can reward something to your delight. But it may be dangerous to know the True Name of a man. Many things can be done to those that know such knowledge.
So, be wary.
My name is Esmerelda Weatherwax. They call me Granny, or the Hag o' Hags, or K'ez'rek d'b'duz, or Aaoograha hoa. I am Good, because I do what is Right. I am not Nice, and I can't be havin' with that sort of thing.
Show me what you got.
And, I'll go one step further. This is a limited selection of items I have:
A [REDACTED].
A geology textbook.
A pair of binoculars.
A [REDACTED].
A sturdy pickaxe.
A basket of herbs.
A [CANADIAN REDACTED, EH].
A megaphone.
A set of [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] on them.
A [REDACTED].
A charm bracelet.
A pair of purple boots.
Redacted items are explicitly dangerous items, that I feel uneasy sharing.
I feel like you're some kind of merchant
That said, you mentioned many things to yourself (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7380681#msg7380681).
Spoiler: Notes (click to show/hide)
Given information trading (while it'd also be more of role fishing :P and given it's cleverness, it leans down town), color me obliged! Could I ask if your task is day or night acted?
I do however believe that this isn't just a clever bluff if scum, and mightily beneficial if town or even third-party webbywubs, as I can see part of my current modifications in his list.
...Presumably >_> since FoU had fun with my role. [/grumble]
I have no idea but it feels right.
TBF: I asked you a question....while I am familiar with Smstr w/ Love, can you refresh me on that? :v
webadict: So it's Smstr w/ Love all over again, eh?
I think I won there. But I'm forgetful and/or can't find it given our local search engine.
Okay so....While I can see how it may be confusing, you never bothered to quote those in the first place, TBF. :V
While having quotes is nice, it's the explanation and analysis of the quotes that actually counts. You need to explain _why_ you find these quotes scummy, as opposed to just posting them.
So I was just all ??? wondering what you are even referring to--especially given several of your posts back then being only a response [so I'm lost as to what you're even responding to, too!]
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 06, 2017, 12:05:45 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 06, 2017, 12:10:14 am
But basically it was just that you sounded different relative to your normal you, and I was actually having difficulty understanding bits.
Post by: Tiruin on March 06, 2017, 12:13:35 am
@Tiruin:Actually, that teal was an FoS.>_>
<.<
So you added blue to Lime Green.
I like you.
Also @Tiruin:Also, now you're not being impenetrable.I've been having a tough day x~x [still, what does that mean for you ]
But basically it was just that you sounded different relative to your normal you, and I was actually having difficulty understanding bits.
Post by: flame99 on March 06, 2017, 12:19:33 am
I...What? Because I don't think we have enough evidence to lynch either of you. What, do you want me to say you should be hung?This might be a little bit presumptuous, seeing as I haven't played much, but I suggest we avoid trusting either Webadict or TBF. If they're fighting like this, it's doubtful that the two are both scum, but one or the other might be independent. Do note I'm not leveling an accusation and I think it's too early to try to lynch them, but let's not take what they say as granted.Why aren't you leveling an accusation?
EDIT:
...I'm sorry, *what*. When did I do either of those things. The both of you are acting rather scummy, going at each others throats and speaking in riddles for no clearly discernible reason. On top of that, I explicitly didn't accuse either of you, I simply stated suspicions. Are you...trying[/b to say dumb things here? :Pwebadict:You say flame is scum. Why?He puts forward a binary claim and refuses to pick a side himself. It's a pretty scummy thing to do, especially considering I have doubts that he read most of what I had said.
Post by: Tiruin on March 06, 2017, 12:21:57 am
Speaking as an aside to all this, from what I see, it's the quietness that seems to be affecting folks :O While it's a non-tell [tell = term for one's own idea of this person being town or scum] for me, my opinion here is that it's less people wanting you to act and more on you being proactive.I...What? Because I don't think we have enough evidence to lynch either of you. What, do you want me to say you should be hung?This might be a little bit presumptuous, seeing as I haven't played much, but I suggest we avoid trusting either Webadict or TBF. If they're fighting like this, it's doubtful that the two are both scum, but one or the other might be independent. Do note I'm not leveling an accusation and I think it's too early to try to lynch them, but let's not take what they say as granted.Why aren't you leveling an accusation?
If you feel passive observation is okay, you can mention that too. ^ ^ These mentions are part of playing; they'll always be followed up, but it's just like casual conversation. You can also explain your idea of 'accusing' others too, if that helps.
But! You've got a vote (or...a suggestion for a vote), and you've to use it (or...not), so ideas on your insight is helpful.
Post by: Tiruin on March 06, 2017, 12:43:00 am
...But I can verify that you didn't change anything.
...You seem to be touchy if called scum, but the reasoning is also following quite a reasonable one.I...What? Because I don't think we have enough evidence to lynch either of you. What, do you want me to say you should be hung?This might be a little bit presumptuous, seeing as I haven't played much, but I suggest we avoid trusting either Webadict or TBF. If they're fighting like this, it's doubtful that the two are both scum, but one or the other might be independent. Do note I'm not leveling an accusation and I think it's too early to try to lynch them, but let's not take what they say as granted.Why aren't you leveling an accusation?
EDIT:...I'm sorry, *what*. When did I do either of those things. The both of you are acting rather scummy, going at each others throats and speaking in riddles for no clearly discernible reason. On top of that, I explicitly didn't accuse either of you, I simply stated suspicions. Are you...trying[/b to say dumb things here? :Pwebadict:You say flame is scum. Why?He puts forward a binary claim and refuses to pick a side himself. It's a pretty scummy thing to do, especially considering I have doubts that he read most of what I had said.
What do you think about webadict and TBF, and if you've stated it before, could I ask it to be said plainly?
Post by: flame99 on March 06, 2017, 12:58:37 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 06, 2017, 01:07:23 am
[Disclaimer: Tiruin can be scum or town regardless--her playstyle often is okay with helping newbies though!]
In Mafia games--just like in life--people have impressions regardless of who you are. What matters is you being yourself; if you're town, other people can think you're scum based on how they interpret your reaction, and vice versa applies if you're scum that can be thought of as town (scum is a general term for 'non-town / malevolent wincon towards the town', but is also a general slang term for 'third-party' which is Non-Mafia-aligned). All of this is communicated by post however, and is valued for everyone playing regardless of alignment.
Personally, I recall my early games--I panicked a lot, and was very sensitive (even if Town); I got lynched D1 once...and was all 'cold sweat' and otherwise even if it was just a game x3. So I took it in a way I have now--it was a learning experience, and even 'if it was just a game', it was a good way to learn from other people.
People can see you as scum even if you're innocent because they may have interpretations to follow; the same is if you're scum though! That is OKAY and normal.
What one can do is to respond to them, as usually people aren't forcing themselves onto you anyway [from my memory of Town of Salem, that I couldn't even play thanks to hilariously bad internet, people are quick and reactionary...given a textbox and all, so that's one of my personal notes on you here]
This is the Day Game. Regardless of how it ends, who you are now and how you act is important--if ever you find yourself not enjoying the game, in the end of it all treat it as a learning lesson constructively :)
Besides--Mafia in general know their team. One should not panic (or at least make it public that they're all panicky) that way. It is okay to be called as scum as it's a normative reaction in these games; it's how people try to connect point B [their wincondition] and point A [the start of it all--Day 1 or stuff], like for example how we've got the RVS Stage on Bay12.
[/BM IC words]
[Player Tiruin now speaking]
...Although considering all this, the mechanical interruption of TDS being a King as said by the GM changed how we all acted :V
[/Player]
FoU: Can you be influenced by player's actions to say lies or stuff against game mechanics?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 06, 2017, 01:15:46 am
Teal is fake FoS, yes.
Note: I will take FoS into account when I decide the lynch, although fake-votes still take priority (so FoSs and people' suspicions will break ties/near-ties).
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 06, 2017, 01:23:55 am
Aww, thanks.@Tiruin:Actually, that teal was an FoS.>_>
<.<
So you added blue to Lime Green.
I like you.
More when I wake up.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 06, 2017, 01:35:08 am
And, I'll go one step further. This is a limited selection of items I have:
A [REDACTED].
A geology textbook.
A pair of binoculars.
A [REDACTED].
A sturdy pickaxe.
A basket of herbs.
A [CANADIAN REDACTED, EH].
A megaphone.
A set of [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] on them.
A [REDACTED].
A charm bracelet.
A pair of purple boots.
Is one of the redacted items a sword? If so, that would seem to go with my role/flavortext.
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 04:32:15 am
In general, this type of play is considered "passive." It allows you to level an accusation without actually doing so, moving the burden of a mislynch off of you and onto anyone else that takes up the cause.I...What? Because I don't think we have enough evidence to lynch either of you. What, do you want me to say you should be hung?This might be a little bit presumptuous, seeing as I haven't played much, but I suggest we avoid trusting either Webadict or TBF. If they're fighting like this, it's doubtful that the two are both scum, but one or the other might be independent. Do note I'm not leveling an accusation and I think it's too early to try to lynch them, but let's not take what they say as granted.Why aren't you leveling an accusation?
EDIT:...I'm sorry, *what*. When did I do either of those things. The both of you are acting rather scummy, going at each others throats and speaking in riddles for no clearly discernible reason. On top of that, I explicitly didn't accuse either of you, I simply stated suspicions. Are you...trying[/b to say dumb things here? :Pwebadict:You say flame is scum. Why?He puts forward a binary claim and refuses to pick a side himself. It's a pretty scummy thing to do, especially considering I have doubts that he read most of what I had said.
By equating our two playstyles as equal and opposing, you make us a binary choice: Pick webadict or pick TBF. It's very possible neither of us are scum.
On top of that, your expectation of evidence is more of a subtle tell than anything else. It is another passive play indicator, being afraid to be wrong and draw attention to yourself.
So, yes, I would want you to say one of us is more suspicious than the other. I wouldn't mind as much if you had said I was more suspicious or if he was, but now that I've said this, you have two choices: continue to do as you did, or do what I just told you. Unfortunately for you, one of these is more scummy than the other, and I won't tell you which is which, because, in the end, it doesn't really matter, because being scum is also scummy.
Nope, none of my items are swords.And, I'll go one step further. This is a limited selection of items I have:
A [REDACTED].
A geology textbook.
A pair of binoculars.
A [REDACTED].
A sturdy pickaxe.
A basket of herbs.
A [CANADIAN REDACTED, EH].
A megaphone.
A set of [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] on them.
A [REDACTED].
A charm bracelet.
A pair of purple boots.
Is one of the redacted items a sword? If so, that would seem to go with my role/flavortext.
@Tiruin: You guess correctly. I am indeed a Merchant. More specifically, I am a Level 1 Merchant. If I trade away enough items, I will eventually gain Level 2, a feat unheard of by most NPCs. I am unsure if I can make it to Level 3 or higher, nor if I can multiclass, but I would like to see what benefits this has. Alas, with 1 HP, I am very weak, but none of that matters because this whole roleclaim is a lie. Or maybe it's the truth. Who knows? Certainly not you.
Post by: flame99 on March 06, 2017, 07:20:51 am
And no, I'm not saying tbf is clear of suspicion either, I'm saying Webadict is awfully keen on lynching me with very little reason.
Post by: hops on March 06, 2017, 07:32:33 am
Post by: flame99 on March 06, 2017, 07:37:52 am
Post by: hops on March 06, 2017, 07:52:55 am
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 08:05:50 am
Or maybe, just maybe, I sincerely don't think we know enough to make a choice. Seeing as we know very little about both of your roles since the two of you continually dodge or "don't see" questions, or else answer them in riddles for whatever reason, that seems rather reasonable. You also are getting very aggressive and frankly are adopting McCarthyism now, you've made a foregone conclusion I'm scum. WebadictWell, considering I play about 90% from a phone, you'll have to excuse me missing questions. This is also why I am harder on TBF, since I am in the same situation. But, yeah, you got me. Can't argue against that. If I wanted to not answer your question, I would probably tell you to your face, because that's easier.
And no, I'm not saying tbf is clear of suspicion either, I'm saying Webadict is awfully keen on lynching me with very little reason.
But, I see you've decided to follow my advice. But, that begs the question: If you honestly don't believe there isn't enough evidence, then why are you voting for me? What IS sufficient evidence? How do you plan to obtain it?
I mean, now you are equating us again, but in a more similar vein. That's good, since it would be wise to do so. And you're right I'm aggressive. I never saw a passive Town win a game. I did see a game where the scum all murdered each other, but then the SK won, so that has nothing to do with this point but occasionally I ramble to see if anyone's really paying attention.
So let's recap: I have little reasoning, in spite of what I posted just a few hours ago, which is my main concern with why I think you're scum? I even play enough ToS to understand a little of their metagame, and I'm still lacking reason? I just dunno, man.
Oh, and @Cinder, if you are magically inclined, it is likely you don't see the items, since magic, explosives, and Canadian trinkets were redacted purposefully.
Post by: flame99 on March 06, 2017, 08:30:16 am
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 08:42:17 am
Your reasoning mostly consists of "you're scum because you're scum and because you didn't want to lynch me." which, again, paints you as awfully desperate to lynch me with no adequate reasoning. If you were suspicious, that'd be one thing, but now you're trying to get me lynched. To answer all of your questions in one fell swoop, that's what I consider enough evidence.... Uh huh...
Tiruin, is he for real, or is this one of those weird tests?
Post by: flame99 on March 06, 2017, 08:44:52 am
Post by: hops on March 06, 2017, 08:56:21 am
webadict I'm not magically inclined and I'm not murdery, unless you may have misjudged a tool's purpose. It is also possible that I just failed to see an item linked to me as being linked to me.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 06, 2017, 09:58:57 am
FoU: Can you be influenced by player's actions to say lies or stuff against game mechanics?Not in this game. Omitting information, however, is possible.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 06, 2017, 10:07:42 am
I'm somewhat suspicious of flame99 and TBF, not because of any scumtell but because they seem the least likely to be town. It also seems that either webadict or TBF is lying given that I can't see any items that would match TBF's role. On the other hand, I don't see any item that matches mine, either.I already claimed the megaphone. Because I'm enthusiastic, and therefore probably loud.
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 10:21:09 am
Do you have any actual rebuttals or have we resorted to insults now?The issue is that a rebuttal isn't even necessary. You are voting me for voting you. I have defended my decision, and have only seen more justification. I wanted to verify with Tiruin that you don't play Gambit-fu where I'm gonna be weighed down arguing with you.
I think you're scum not because you didn't vote me. I think you're scum because you didn't vote me or TBF nor did you try to find any justification for your argument. And now you're adding more justification to why I think you're scum.
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 10:21:43 am
flame99 That's usually how mafia goes, don't take it personally honey.... Are you related to Scrabble?
webadict I'm not magically inclined and I'm not murdery, unless you may have misjudged a tool's purpose. It is also possible that I just failed to see an item linked to me as being linked to me.
Post by: hops on March 06, 2017, 10:48:00 am
Post by: hops on March 06, 2017, 10:48:46 am
How can we be sure he isn't lying about that as well? :PFoU: Can you be influenced by player's actions to say lies or stuff against game mechanics?Not in this game. Omitting information, however, is possible.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 06, 2017, 10:58:48 am
Not that either.What about the boots?
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 11:51:08 am
Not that either.Afraid that's all I got... unless you're... some sort of pancake.
Post by: hops on March 06, 2017, 12:59:06 pm
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 01:25:30 pm
I think it might be one of the items, I just didn't link it to myself at first.Do you want the item?
Post by: hops on March 06, 2017, 01:32:00 pm
Are you capable of giving said items?I think it might be one of the items, I just didn't link it to myself at first.Do you want the item?
Post by: Tiruin on March 06, 2017, 02:10:37 pm
@Web: Flame is herself, yes :P But seeing it from the assumed root I mentioned earlier, in considering you as scum, her reasoning does have points. :O
/me flops back into bed
That's the mod, Cin. :PHow can we be sure he isn't lying about that as well? :PFoU: Can you be influenced by player's actions to say lies or stuff against game mechanics?Not in this game. Omitting information, however, is possible.
Also if that's referring to anyone--yeah omitting info is possible, as it is quite creative to mix up one's intent with one's plan to check other folks.
Also you could directly mention that you think flame is scum because of the implication that follows the 'idea of sensitivity to being called scum' -- the notion behind the early prod. [Newbie tip: If you're called scum at first, this usually isn't a permanent thing--it's generally connected to a context]Your reasoning mostly consists of "you're scum because you're scum and because you didn't want to lynch me." which, again, paints you as awfully desperate to lynch me with no adequate reasoning. If you were suspicious, that'd be one thing, but now you're trying to get me lynched. To answer all of your questions in one fell swoop, that's what I consider enough evidence.... Uh huh...
Tiruin, is he for real, or is this one of those weird tests?
The prod I see in my opinion is that flame reacted quite D:'ly, but I don't read somewhat scum on her given the content of her reaction. It comes off as pretty genuine.
PPF because I didn't read the later posts after htat.
Although I'd love a votecount, FoU. :P
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 06, 2017, 02:51:43 pm
Although I'd love a votecount, FoU. :P
Loading...
Votecount:
TheDarkStar(0): []
TheBiggerFish(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
webadict(0): []
Deus Asmoth(0): []
Cinder(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
flame99(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting: TheDarkStar
Day Ends... sometime after TheDarkStar votes.
"Now, don't be like that, you bloody machine. You know very well that's not what she meant."
...
"Okay, fine, I'll handle it. Give me a minute..."
Null pulls out his sword, then stabs the air. A moment later, a whiteboard falls out of it. A few more strikes cover the whiteboard in markings that indicate the following:
Suggestioncount:
TheDarkStar(0): []
TheBiggerFish(3): [Tiruin, 4maskwolf, webadict]
Tiruin(1): [TheBiggerFish]
webadict(1): [flame99]
Deus Asmoth(0): []
Cinder(1): [TheDarkStar]
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
flame99(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Suggesting: Deus Asmoth, Cinder, BlackHeartKabal
"There you go. Hopefully. My memory isn't perfect. Might want to work on that. Hm."
Null disappears in a puff of smoke. Meanwhile, the heap of people has finally finished untangling.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 06, 2017, 03:03:17 pm
Here's the link to the game. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.0)TBF: I asked you a question....while I am familiar with Smstr w/ Love, can you refresh me on that? :v
webadict: So it's Smstr w/ Love all over again, eh?
I think I won there. But I'm forgetful and/or can't find it given our local search engine.
Can we expect any reads from you, or are you just gonna ask for other's reads without giving any of your own?
flame99: The reason webadict is suspicious of you and I'd be suspicious of you if you were a veteran player is the way you made that statement: it was wishy-washy. In mafia, everything you say is information that can be used later on to clear or damn you in the eyes of others, and scum can be found out by their posts as much as by power roles. If you take a stance on something, there's always a chance you'll be called to task for it later. Thus, one strategy for scum is to limit the number of things they take a stand on, to give themselves outs when they do, so it's harder to call them out on things later. Thus, it's generally seen as scummy to waffle on issues rather than taking a firm stance, since it's one way to give yourself an out later if called to task.
Cinder: Who is scum, why are they scum, and why aren't you voting them?
Deus Asmoth: You alive there? Kinda disappeared again.
blackheartkabal: When you return, what are your reads so far?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 06, 2017, 04:22:00 pm
Nope, none of my items are swords.And, I'll go one step further. This is a limited selection of items I have:
A [REDACTED].
A geology textbook.
A pair of binoculars.
A [REDACTED].
A sturdy pickaxe.
A basket of herbs.
A [CANADIAN REDACTED, EH].
A megaphone.
A set of [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] on them.
A [REDACTED].
A charm bracelet.
A pair of purple boots.
Is one of the redacted items a sword? If so, that would seem to go with my role/flavortext.
Hm...
Does the word "LITERALLY" mean anything to you?
I'm fairly certain that none of the nonredacted items apply to me and I don't think the Canadian one applies either.
Thanks for the votecount FoU.
Everyone: You have 2-3 hours until I pick a lynch candidate.
Some brief reads (I'll write something more substantial up when I have time):
webadict: town/third party due to role and scumhunting.
flame: null/inexperienced. Others see him as scummy, but I'm withholding judgement until I have a chance to read through his posts.
Cinder:
4mask: kinda town-leaning because he's scumhunting.
Tiruin: slightly scum-leaning because she's scumhunting less than usual, but she's really hard to read.
TBF: Slight scum lean, but not as much as everyone else thinks. He might seem annoying but annoying != scum. I'll read through his posts to get a better idea on his alignment, though.
DA: Absent, so null read.
BHK: Also absent (at least on the last few pages that I've skimmed) so null read.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 06, 2017, 04:27:25 pm
webadict: town/third party due to role and scumhunting.Erm...
flame: null/inexperienced. Others see him as scummy, but I'm withholding judgement until I have a chance to read through his posts.
Cinder:
4mask: kinda town-leaning because he's scumhunting.
Tiruin: slightly scum-leaning because she's scumhunting less than usual, but she's really hard to read.
TBF: Slight scum lean, but not as much as everyone else thinks. He might seem annoying but annoying != scum. I'll read through his posts to get a better idea on his alignment, though.
DA: Absent, so null read.
BHK: Also absent (at least on the last few pages that I've skimmed) so null read.
What happened to your Cinder read?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 06, 2017, 06:02:01 pm
Flame99/BlackheartKabal/Cinder: How do you feel about today? What are your gists on other players?
blackheartkabal: When you return, what are your reads so far?Was a bit busy.
-TheDarkStar - Town/TP. He's making an effort. Can't say much more, so that's good.
-TheBiggerFish - TP/Town - Annoying =/= Scum? Since when? I want to keep him alive and just hope he gets vigged/nightkilled later on just in case we have a jester.
-Tiruin - Null/Town. A bit preocciupied being our unofficial IC, but manages to write novels despite her stupidly limited timeframe.
-webadict- Scum/TP. I've read through his games, and I know he isn't stupid enough to legitimately tunnel this hard on someone without experience seeking a lynch, but scum has no problem killing a random townie who hasn't conformed to things yet. It's a stretch, but a reasonable one. 10/10 would vig imo.
-Deus Asmoth - Dead. Please vig or replace if he doesn't resurface from the mariana trench, either is fine with me.
-Cinder - Null tell. Has neither said nor done nothing in particular.
-flame99(?) Null/TP. Not experienced enough to make a tell on.
-4maskwolf(?) Null. Something about him is off. I don't want to say he's scum, I want to say he's genuinely town from his discussions, but there's a gut feeling.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 06, 2017, 06:39:15 pm
webadict: town/third party due to role and scumhunting.
flame: null/inexperienced. Others see him as scummy, but I'm withholding judgement until I have a chance to read through his posts.
Cinder: Moderately town leaning, although I'd like to see more from him.
4mask: kinda town-leaning because he's scumhunting.
Tiruin: slightly scum-leaning because she's scumhunting less than usual, but she's really hard to read.
TBF: Slight scum lean, but not as much as everyone else thinks. He might seem annoying but annoying != scum. I'll read through his posts to get a better idea on his alignment, though.
DA: Absent, so null read.
BHK: His latest post was interesting. He assumes there's a vigkill, but apparently he's used to Town of Salem so that's understandable (and in a game like this, I wouldn't be especially surprised to see a vigilante). His webadict vote-suggestion is supported by some reasoning (even if I highly disagree with it), which is I guess slightly town-leaning. BHK just needs to post a bit more in general for me to get a good feel of what he thinks.
Also, I'm unsuggestionvoting
On that note, this is the votecount:
TheDarkStar(0): []
TheBiggerFish(3): [Tiruin, 4maskwolf, webadict]
Tiruin(1): [TheBiggerFish]
webadict(1): [flame99, BlackHeartKabal]
Deus Asmoth(0): []
Cinder(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
flame99(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
We've reached the deadline I set and I really want to get this day going, so I'll vote for TheBiggerFish. I don't have an especially strong read on him, but lots of people have interacted with him (and are voting for him). In addition, by voting right now I'm establishing that my deadlines are fairly rigid which should keep pressure on people over the next few days.
(In the future, I'll aim for 48-hour choice periods, although I may extend that under extenuating circumstances).
Please say Yes or No for a TBF lynch (or at least use the colors, you can use different words that convey the same meaning like "lynch" or "don't lynch"). There is a deadline to this that I don't control, and I believe that means that Shortens and Extends are usable in this phase. I also suspect that a majority choice will decide the vote, but again, FoU will need to confirm that.
Note: FoU may enforce other rules for determining if TBF is lynched, rendering the above Null and Void.
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 07:00:33 pm
Now onto related matters.
No. I want to see what happens when I do this.
-webadict- Scum/TP. I've read through his games, and I know he isn't stupid enough to legitimately tunnel this hard on someone without experience seeking a lynch, but scum has no problem killing a random townie who hasn't conformed to things yet. It's a stretch, but a reasonable one. 10/10 would vig imo.Uh... what? I'm not even voting for flame, and apparently, this is me tunneling? Why are you chainsawing this hard for her? You're both acting like super scum, but at least you're being straightforward about it, unlike flame. Gotta respect that.
Please, feel free to back up your claim with more evidence. Because, I'm gonna be honest, you won't find anything. You'd have to tunnel me harder than your false attacks, so I feel pretty terrible if you're actually Town, since you would be tying up a good portion of the Town's assets.
But if I wanted to lynch your friend for being scummy, it would be easy. Your attacks would be doing the opposite for her, since you look like overreacting scum. She has been super passive, and for being relatively new, she knew the number of scum players there would be, she overreacted to being called scummy, and OMGUSed immediately afterward.
Pro-tip: you actually want to protect a partner, you're doing it the wrong way. It would be better to lead the accuser to a different target entirely first, and then go after them the next Day, even if for petty revenge.
@TDS: Are you the Wordsmith, then?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 06, 2017, 07:01:47 pm
4mask:
Deus Asmoth: You didn't actually give a read on Tiruin: is there a particular reason for that?Well the reason is that I suck at proof reading and saw her name at the top of the reads list while scanning over the post, but forgot that it was only there because I was replying to her.
I'm actually more inclined that usual to think that Tiruin is town based off today, but that probably means she's actually planning to kill us all.
Tiruin:
Well, I'm not really sure how to answer that without more specifics. I will say that I'm not really a fan of Kingmaker scenarios since unless the kingmaker has some way of benefiting from it, it just comes down to who they want to win from a meta standpoint.Tiruin:I'm a squeaky boot x.xDeus Asmoth: Can I ask a read list from you thus far given possible passive observation from you? Do you think there'sI think there might be something missing here. As regards reads, I was kind of hoping to get the secrets of the universe from webadict, but since that hasn't happened yet I'll have to muddle through.[...
It was to be 'Do you think there's [it was to be reworded on inquiring your impressions given people's claims and how to work with a Kingmaker-variant]'
BHK
-TheBiggerFish - TP/Town - Annoying =/= Scum? Since when? I want to keep him alive and just hope he gets vigged/nightkilled later on just in case we have a jester.This read is curious to me. Why do you want to keep TBF alive, despite phrasing indicating that you want him dead at a later stage? What specifically gives someone a third party lean in your book?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 06, 2017, 07:14:27 pm
No. I want to see what happens when I do this.Something tells you you aren't garnering many guilty votes on the stand, but that's assuredly circumventable in quite a few ways. You probably aren't stupid enough to not realize that them being new isn't some unorthodox tactic or something, so that makes you scum at best, and a liability that I want in the grave so you can't throw the game at worst.-webadict- Scum/TP. I've read through his games, and I know he isn't stupid enough to legitimately tunnel this hard on someone without experience seeking a lynch, but scum has no problem killing a random townie who hasn't conformed to things yet. It's a stretch, but a reasonable one. 10/10 would vig imo.Uh... what? I'm not even voting for flame, and apparently, this is me tunneling? Why are you chainsawing this hard for her? You're both acting like super scum, but at least you're being straightforward about it, unlike flame. Gotta respect that.
Please, feel free to back up your claim with more evidence. Because, I'm gonna be honest, you won't find anything. You'd have to tunnel me harder than your false attacks, so I feel pretty terrible if you're actually Town, since you would be tying up a good portion of the Town's assets.
But if I wanted to lynch your friend for being scummy, it would be easy. Your attacks would be doing the opposite for her, since you look like overreacting scum. She has been super passive, and for being relatively new, she knew the number of scum players there would be, she overreacted to being called scummy, and OMGUSed immediately afterward.
No. I want to see what happens when I do this.Congrats. You're smart enough to realize that such a brazen vote would probably get you shitlisted by the rest of the town. Except if you were just pressuring them, but that's an unreasonable assumption.-webadict- Scum/TP. I've read through his games, and I know he isn't stupid enough to legitimately tunnel this hard on someone without experience seeking a lynch, but scum has no problem killing a random townie who hasn't conformed to things yet. It's a stretch, but a reasonable one. 10/10 would vig imo.Uh... what? I'm not even voting for flame, and apparently, this is me tunneling? Why are you chainsawing this hard for her? You're both acting like super scum, but at least you're being straightforward about it, unlike flame. Gotta respect that.
Please, feel free to back up your claim with more evidence. Because, I'm gonna be honest, you won't find anything. You'd have to tunnel me harder than your false attacks, so I feel pretty terrible if you're actually Town, since you would be tying up a good portion of the Town's assets.Implying the only thing I, or anyone else in a BYOR has, is false attacks.
But if I wanted to lynch your friend for being scummy, it would be easy. Your attacks would be doing the opposite for her, since you look like overreacting scum. She has been super passive, and for being relatively new, she knew the number of scum players there would be, she overreacted to being called scummy, and OMGUSed immediately afterward.If I'm the only one who actually sees how cheap of a shot webadict has been trying to make, then I have low expectations. Scum flip or not, I'd still call for a policy lynch after.
bonus -
I'm gonna be honestso fahny joak
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 06, 2017, 07:16:33 pm
BHKBecause maybe it may be paranoia of the damn role in general, but I assume "deliberately annoying" to mean "I'm a jester who wants to be hung badly!!!!". Another reason being that if he isn't scum, he likely isn't immediately dangerous, but if he isn't town, he's still gotta go. He doesn't ping particularly town or scum, but he's said too much to be a null tell.-TheBiggerFish - TP/Town - Annoying =/= Scum? Since when? I want to keep him alive and just hope he gets vigged/nightkilled later on just in case we have a jester.This read is curious to me. Why do you want to keep TBF alive, despite phrasing indicating that you want him dead at a later stage? What specifically gives someone a third party lean in your book?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 06, 2017, 07:22:08 pm
TheBiggerFish is hoisted on a pillar.
"Well? Do you want Mr. Fish lynched? Yes or no!
Votecount:
Lynch TheBiggerFish(0): []
Don't Lynch TheBiggerFish(1): [webadict]
Day Ends: 72 hours from now. 7:20 P.M. Central/Forum time, I believe. Or upon hammer, which may not actually spell the end of the day if Don't Lynch is chosen.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 06, 2017, 07:28:27 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 06, 2017, 07:41:42 pm
Deus Asmoth:
4mask:Why not both? She was town and tried to kill everyone in the seven SK game.
I'm actually more inclined that usual to think that Tiruin is town based off today, but that probably means she's actually planning to kill us all.
Jokes aside, I'd like you to explain this. If you read Tiruin as town, then why are you caviating that with "probably means she's actually planning to kill us all"?
TBF: Do you know why you're on the block? Who do you think should be on the block instead of you?
BlackHeartKabal: Wouldn't it be better for the scum to try and push a lynch on an active townie, since lurky players make it easier for scum to go undetected? If so, why would Scum!webadict go for the low-hanging fruit in that fashion. Also, advice regarding your reads: if something's bothering you, and you don't know what it is, figure it out. Because whatever that thing is may be important and may be the piece of evidence you need to find scum, or, conversely, what you find may put your mind at ease. I'd like to see a more concrete read on me later today or tomorrow, assuming we're both still alive then, because right now it looks like you're trying to give yourself an out from your read.
Also, there's one more thing I'd like to ask about:
-webadict- Scum/TP. I've read through his games, and I know he isn't stupid enough to legitimately tunnel this hard on someone without experience seeking a lynch, but scum has no problem killing a random townie who hasn't conformed to things yet. It's a stretch, but a reasonable one. 10/10 would vig imo.These two reads seem rather incongruous. If you have no idea what flame is, why would tunneling on him automatically make webadict scum? And furthermore, webadict isn't a fan of bussing, so if you're so sure webadict is scum then wouldn't that make flame more likely town/TP by association? Your reads here don't really line up that well with each other, it seems like you're making things up as you go.
-flame99(?) Null/TP. Not experienced enough to make a tell on.
tl;dr: I'd vote you if we were still in that phase, but we're not right now.
webadict: You pushed pretty hard against flame but didn't actually vote them: why?
Spoiler: snarky joke time (click to show/hide)
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 06, 2017, 07:47:22 pm
My reads aren't webadicts reads and I don't know what flame is. I'm having trouble finding a reason for webadict to seriously focus on a lynch on them in a way that makes webadict credibly town without anything else affecting them both. I understand I'm working without solid evidence here but I simply see it as webadict seeing a cheap opportunity to lessen the town's numbers advantage/kill a third party/bus. If he has the integrity as a player to never bus in any mafia game ever, then discard my theory and wire me his steam profile so I can send him 5 dollars for such dedication.-webadict- Scum/TP. I've read through his games, and I know he isn't stupid enough to legitimately tunnel this hard on someone without experience seeking a lynch, but scum has no problem killing a random townie who hasn't conformed to things yet. It's a stretch, but a reasonable one. 10/10 would vig imo.These two reads seem rather incongruous. If you have no idea what flame is, why would tunneling on him automatically make webadict scum? And furthermore, webadict isn't a fan of bussing, so if you're so sure webadict is scum then wouldn't that make flame more likely town/TP by association? Your reads here don't really line up that well with each other, it seems like you're making things up as you go.
-flame99(?) Null/TP. Not experienced enough to make a tell on.
tl;dr: I'd vote you if we were still in that phase, but we're not right now.
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 07:54:37 pm
I have a job to do. You get nothing from me. If anyone else wants an item, better list what you want before Night falls.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 06, 2017, 08:14:33 pm
FallacyOfUrist: Are we allowed to change our lynch/don't lynch vote after we've made an initial decision?Go right ahead.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 06, 2017, 09:50:58 pm
@TDS: Are you the Wordsmith, then?
Possibly yes. First I thought no, and then I read over my role PM and I'm pretty sure I am.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 06, 2017, 09:52:07 pm
Tiruin, 4mask, webadict: You three suggestion-voted TBF. Do you still want to see him lynched? If not, who should be lynched instead?
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 10:18:38 pm
Ah.@TDS: Are you the Wordsmith, then?
Possibly yes. First I thought no, and then I read over my role PM and I'm pretty sure I am.
Then I have a set of obsidian tiles with letters on them for you!
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2017, 10:33:12 pm
Also:I would prefer one of BHK or flame lynched. Probably flame, because BHK is funnier.
Tiruin, 4mask, webadict: You three suggestion-voted TBF. Do you still want to see him lynched? If not, who should be lynched instead?
Post by: Tiruin on March 06, 2017, 11:04:52 pm
Also:PFP I unvoted! :I
Tiruin, 4mask, webadict: You three suggestion-voted TBF. Do you still want to see him lynched? If not, who should be lynched instead?
I think it's a technical error-waitwat.
Ok I searched 'unvote', then I didn't see my own post, but I swear it was back there in my wall of text before TBF's "Tiruin you're making sense" and...
...Oh okay, I remembered right (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7382450#msg7382450) but the search doesn't include continuous verbs. And I didn't bold it either >_>
Dat pressured snark. :PHere's the link to the game. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.0)TBF: I asked you a question....while I am familiar with Smstr w/ Love, can you refresh me on that? :v
webadict: So it's Smstr w/ Love all over again, eh?
I think I won there. But I'm forgetful and/or can't find it given our local search engine.
Can we expect any reads from you, or are you just gonna ask for other's reads without giving any of your own?
I now have imagery of those ol' metal tanks used to hold air or oxygen and inside it is 'sarcasm' instead. When you release it slowly and under controlled conditions, you can actually hear understandable words instead of a hissing sound.
-TheDarkStar(?) ; ...Hello, your Majesty. :I I don't think you're doing a job of scumhunting actually, and letting other people do the work for you--although having such a role does give impressions duly by nature and activity, how you follow up your ideas are moreso questioning and...not unlike vanilla games wherein people drop each other connections and checks, this game has been moreso people working with what they've got given an unorthodox play that may be totally different for many people. :O In typing this I check the newbies and do note how they play and yours.
It feels lacking in ways.
-TheBiggerFish(?) ; check the link on webadict's read; same feels to him, (or that unvote link).
-Tiruin(?) ; Hi! I'm me :D
-webadict(?) ; See mah notes (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7382450#msg7382450); I'm thinking third-party//town leaning given his attitude, but in a scum context I can't see efficiency in comparison to assuming his position as town or third-party (malevolent or otherwise, like the Exterminator with Intel? That feeling of "Intel" was reinforced when seeing other people do flavor checking and go 'yeah that seems right')
-Deus Asmoth(?) ; post more, same as BHK, but post more I:
-Cinder(?) ; Same as BHK, although her attitude does give her townie points as in the reactionary or curious questioning, it's less pretty much saying that she could be scum given how she worded how she asked as it comes off more as inquisitory questioning considering her viewpoint.
-BlackHeartKabal(?) ; Mostly null; can't infer much from what he's posted as I can't see much into what he's posted ._.
-flame99(?) ; leaning in the same as 4mask, while I do agree that there are points leveled against her in a very reasonable way as per experience as a player, her reactions as these are also included in reading people [/newbie tip], and if her play was scumside, this may indicate that the team is a lone-wolf kind of strategy [or a bus :P]. But honestly I don't see it in her attitude.
-4maskwolf(?) ; leaning partially town, initial reads denote a particular form of observation and reading other people, this does boop me that it's a townside maneuver instead of scumside 4mask given how it was done. Although I also feel like there's something to him that I need a re-read to do as I recall reading into something <_<
I didn't read much on pages 17 after I posted, before FoU's votecount post as per this readings.
[...]Ok while I also have absent and null reads...
Some brief reads (I'll write something more substantial up when I have time):
webadict: town/third party due to role and scumhunting.
flame: null/inexperienced. Others see him as scummy, but I'm withholding judgement until I have a chance to read through his posts.
Cinder:
4mask: kinda town-leaning because he's scumhunting.
Tiruin: slightly scum-leaning because she's scumhunting less than usual, but she's really hard to read.
TBF: Slight scum lean, but not as much as everyone else thinks. He might seem annoying but annoying != scum. I'll read through his posts to get a better idea on his alignment, though.
DA: Absent, so null read.
BHK: Also absent (at least on the last few pages that I've skimmed) so null read.
...Scumhunting 'less than usual'? What's your basis? :P
Seriously. :I If you can say 'because they're scumhunting' compared to 'scumhunting less than usual', I don't think this is parsed in the form of refined re-reading.
So they're impressions. What caused the scum lean. What caused the town lean.
For the King, there's been a tad bit "less scumhunting" from yourself, too, in comparison. :P
Updated reads:[...]Wow. Now that pretty much DOES tell something about the mechanics--and that you control it even further than the OP suggested :I
Please say Yes or No for a TBF lynch (or at least use the colors, you can use different words that convey the same meaning like "lynch" or "don't lynch"). There is a deadline to this that I don't control, and I believe that means that Shortens and Extends are usable in this phase. I also suspect that a majority choice will decide the vote, but again, FoU will need to confirm that.
Note: FoU may enforce other rules for determining if TBF is lynched, rendering the above Null and Void.
And dat TRANSPARENT TEXT D:< HOW WOULD FoU EVEN KNOW THAT UNLESS YOU PM THEM.
Webadict:
I'll purchase one CANADIAN EH, please.
I am curious to your intent and ability to divine by the Gods' work, as knowing my role and its...intricacies, I would like to call you on your offer, or bluff if it may be.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'd go neutral or No if there's only binary, but while I also did suggest nolynching (as it doesn't seem to be the case), lynching does remove a possible suspect for the long-term.
PFP I'MA READ THOSE LAST PAGES D:<
PPEx4. :V
And yes that means this tab/post was open before the last 4 posts :P
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2017, 01:06:56 am
I also don't want to see TBF lynched when he hasn't posted his 'results' of today's tunneling on webadict.
Post by: webadict on March 07, 2017, 04:04:28 am
Post by: hops on March 07, 2017, 04:07:30 am
Lol, BHK is kinda funny. You can send that $5 to charity because I don't need it.I'm still unsure what my item is but I'll bite the bullet and say that it's probably the basket of herbs.
I have a job to do. You get nothing from me. If anyone else wants an item, better list what you want before Night falls.
Post by: hops on March 07, 2017, 04:13:31 am
Post by: webadict on March 07, 2017, 04:48:36 am
A runic explosive.
A geology textbook.
A pair of binoculars.
A Deck of Many Things.
A sturdy pickaxe.
A basket of herbs.
A bottle of maple syrup.
A megaphone.
A set of obsidian tiles with letters on them.
A bone wand.
A charm bracelet.
A pair of purple boots.
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2017, 07:22:19 am
@Tiruin: the object in question is A Bottle of Maple Syrup. If this isn't you, please say so, as giving the wrong item essentially costs me my action./me reads.
...Well there's nothing else than assuming Maple Syrup as Canadian and nothing else seems to match my flavor [heh, pun]
Wow y'all be sending occult roles. :P
ALL THE BOOKS AND SCROLLS.
I feel so out of place in this D&D game. >_>
Post by: hops on March 07, 2017, 07:25:58 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 07, 2017, 09:58:41 am
Post by: hops on March 07, 2017, 10:07:12 am
Post by: webadict on March 07, 2017, 10:27:18 am
Can the person being lynched even vote?Why not?
Post by: flame99 on March 07, 2017, 10:38:04 am
That aside, when have I said I knew how many scum players there would be? What, did I get lucky and guess the only two scum on day 1? :^)
Second, I hardly consider wanting a bit of evidence beyond "being wary of you" to be overreacting. You've given me nothing but made up bs ("you know how many scum there are"), ad hominem attacks (dodging an entire post by asking Tir if I'm being serious, also, see paragraph one), and an absolute focus on the fact that I didn't want to lynch you, which is apparently a big no-no here (a claim that smells faintly of bullshit imho). One hell of an explosive personality, eh?
Finally, OMGUS?
Post by: webadict on March 07, 2017, 10:54:54 am
Meta, but can we please stop assuming Cin, BHK, and myself are working together outside of the game? It's insulting, frankly. I'm not fucking cheating. I didn't even join with them, I joined because Tiruin wanted me to. Even with her, the only talk we've had about the game is asking whether constant tunneling and insults are typical of mafia at large and clarifying acronyms.Who said you were working together outside the game?
That aside, when have I said I knew how many scum players there would be? What, did I get lucky and guess the only two scum on day 1? :^)
Second, I hardly consider wanting a bit of evidence beyond "being wary of you" to be overreacting. You've given me nothing but made up bs ("you know how many scum there are"), ad hominem attacks (dodging an entire post by asking Tir if I'm being serious, also, see paragraph one), and an absolute focus on the fact that I didn't want to lynch you, which is apparently a big no-no here (a claim that smells faintly of bullshit imho). One hell of an explosive personality, eh?
Finally, OMGUS?
Also, OMGIS is OMG U Suck, an acronym to denote voting someone in reltaliation for them voting you.
Post by: hops on March 07, 2017, 10:56:43 am
Post by: flame99 on March 07, 2017, 11:05:28 am
As for "voting in retaliation", you hadn't voted for me first off, but that's semantics. Frankly I voted you because you've made a number of baffling arguments that seem to suggest a lot of bias over me being suspicious. And no, I didn't say that I was suspicious to "avoid taking a stand" or whatever else you'd like to imply, I said that because at the time I didn't feel confidently enough that you were scum.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 07, 2017, 11:46:46 am
PPE -OK, question: if you had an ability that would kill him right now, would you use it?BHKBecause maybe it may be paranoia of the damn role in general, but I assume "deliberately annoying" to mean "I'm a jester who wants to be hung badly!!!!". Another reason being that if he isn't scum, he likely isn't immediately dangerous, but if he isn't town, he's still gotta go. He doesn't ping particularly town or scum, but he's said too much to be a null tell.-TheBiggerFish - TP/Town - Annoying =/= Scum? Since when? I want to keep him alive and just hope he gets vigged/nightkilled later on just in case we have a jester.This read is curious to me. Why do you want to keep TBF alive, despite phrasing indicating that you want him dead at a later stage? What specifically gives someone a third party lean in your book?
4mask: it was intended to be joking, though I kind of suck at conveying those.
Post by: webadict on March 07, 2017, 11:56:22 am
Asking Tir if I'm being serious or pulling some tactic. Constant accusations of BHK or Cinder only trying to defend me because of our relationship. We're not dumb, we can set our feelings aside for a game.Uhh... I think you may have misunderstood everything I've said and done. And I can see how you may have done so, so let me explain:
As for "voting in retaliation", you hadn't voted for me first off, but that's semantics. Frankly I voted you because you've made a number of baffling arguments that seem to suggest a lot of bias over me being suspicious. And no, I didn't say that I was suspicious to "avoid taking a stand" or whatever else you'd like to imply, I said that because at the time I didn't feel confidently enough that you were scum.
1) I asked Tiruin not because of her relationship to anyone, me included, but because I wanted her input on what just happened, since she is far more understanding of newbies than I am. Plus, I like to know what she thinks in a game where anyone can be a murderpus traitor.
2) I am calling you scum partners. I don't give any number of cares about what you do outside the game. Don't project anything on me, just because I play a character in a game.
3) Y'all were the ones that ganged up on me. Fight me all you want, but don't pretend I did anything. Because, again, I don't care about what you do.
4) I have literally defended my actions about 400% more because you are newbies. If you want more explanation, I don't really know what else to tell you.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 07, 2017, 12:38:31 pm
BHK:Immediately.PPE -OK, question: if you had an ability that would kill him right now, would you use it?BHKBecause maybe it may be paranoia of the damn role in general, but I assume "deliberately annoying" to mean "I'm a jester who wants to be hung badly!!!!". Another reason being that if he isn't scum, he likely isn't immediately dangerous, but if he isn't town, he's still gotta go. He doesn't ping particularly town or scum, but he's said too much to be a null tell.-TheBiggerFish - TP/Town - Annoying =/= Scum? Since when? I want to keep him alive and just hope he gets vigged/nightkilled later on just in case we have a jester.This read is curious to me. Why do you want to keep TBF alive, despite phrasing indicating that you want him dead at a later stage? What specifically gives someone a third party lean in your book?
You're serious?Asking Tir if I'm being serious or pulling some tactic. Constant accusations of BHK or Cinder only trying to defend me because of our relationship. We're not dumb, we can set our feelings aside for a game.Uhh... I think you may have misunderstood everything I've said and done. And I can see how you may have done so, so let me explain:
As for "voting in retaliation", you hadn't voted for me first off, but that's semantics. Frankly I voted you because you've made a number of baffling arguments that seem to suggest a lot of bias over me being suspicious. And no, I didn't say that I was suspicious to "avoid taking a stand" or whatever else you'd like to imply, I said that because at the time I didn't feel confidently enough that you were scum.
1) I asked Tiruin not because of her relationship to anyone, me included, but because I wanted her input on what just happened, since she is far more understanding of newbies than I am. Plus, I like to know what she thinks in a game where anyone can be a murderpus traitor.
2) I am calling you scum partners. I don't give any number of cares about what you do outside the game. Don't project anything on me, just because I play a character in a game.
3) Y'all were the ones that ganged up on me. Fight me all you want, but don't pretend I did anything. Because, again, I don't care about what you do.
4) I have literally defended my actions about 400% more because you are newbies. If you want more explanation, I don't really know what else to tell you.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 07, 2017, 12:44:13 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 07, 2017, 12:52:21 pm
Null stabs the whiteboard a few times.
"There we go! Self updating!"
Votecount:
Lynch TheBiggerFish(0): []
Don't Lynch TheBiggerFish(3): [webadict, BlackHeartKabal, TheBiggerFish]
~~~
Did I miss something? BlackHeartKabal seems to want to lynch Fish, but earlier posted
No Lynch. See above.this.
Post by: webadict on March 07, 2017, 12:57:46 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 07, 2017, 01:48:24 pm
BHK: If I had a 2/9 chance of coming back as scum, would you still want to kill me?E:And the rest of the time I woukd come back as town.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 07, 2017, 02:28:01 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 07, 2017, 02:31:23 pm
I am Town, for the record, not third party.
Post by: webadict on March 07, 2017, 03:20:20 pm
Also BHK:Why exactly are third parties lumped under 'evil'?Because to scum, 3rd parties are just as much in the way as a Town.
I am Town, for the record, not third party.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 07, 2017, 03:21:15 pm
You have a point.Also BHK:Why exactly are third parties lumped under 'evil'?Because to scum, 3rd parties are just as much in the way as a Town.
I am Town, for the record, not third party.
However, BHK has not spoken and I want his answer.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 07, 2017, 04:21:30 pm
@BHK: Petty, aren't you? You gonna act like this the whole game because I said something you didn't like? What are you, 12?I'm sure you've just done the exact same thing today, as flame noted. I'm sure the grace of actually acknowleding your participation would be enough for you, considering you're apparently too far above others to do the same.
BHK: I don't understand your logic. If you want him dead, is it really a major enough risk to you that he would flip jester for you to not lynch him?It's not my choice whether to lynch or not, which lets me safely mark my reluctance without a mechanical effect.
Clearly the vote doesn't matter, considering webadict also voted no.
Also BHK:Why exactly are third parties lumped under 'evil'?You aren't inclined to work with the town. Third parties stick their neck for nobody.
I am Town, for the record, not third party.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 07, 2017, 04:23:16 pm
Post by: webadict on March 07, 2017, 04:37:44 pm
Uh...Most third parties don't want to die, which makes them town-aligned because the scum will kill them.Uh, no, that's not true at all.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 07, 2017, 04:43:58 pm
@BHK: Ah, I see. I'll send you a PM, since this is no longer game-related.Whatever gets us back on track. Thanks.
@BHK: Ah, I see. I'll send you a PM, since this is no longer game-related.And the town can't?Uh...Most third parties don't want to die, which makes them town-aligned because the scum will kill them.Uh, no, that's not true at all.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 07, 2017, 07:30:03 pm
You have just as much say in this lynch as anyone else under the current arrangement. webadict's given his reason for not lynching TBF. Yours seems to be that you want him dead but don't want to lynch him, and that's strange to me.BHK: I don't understand your logic. If you want him dead, is it really a major enough risk to you that he would flip jester for you to not lynch him?It's not my choice whether to lynch or not, which lets me safely mark my reluctance without a mechanical effect.
Clearly the vote doesn't matter, considering webadict also voted no.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 07, 2017, 07:54:11 pm
NoI don't understand what makes it strange.You have just as much say in this lynch as anyone else under the current arrangement. webadict's given his reason for not lynching TBF. Yours seems to be that you want him dead but don't want to lynch him, and that's strange to me.BHK: I don't understand your logic. If you want him dead, is it really a major enough risk to you that he would flip jester for you to not lynch him?It's not my choice whether to lynch or not, which lets me safely mark my reluctance without a mechanical effect.
Clearly the vote doesn't matter, considering webadict also voted no.
Post by: webadict on March 07, 2017, 09:08:44 pm
That makes it even stranger.NoI don't understand what makes it strange.You have just as much say in this lynch as anyone else under the current arrangement. webadict's given his reason for not lynching TBF. Yours seems to be that you want him dead but don't want to lynch him, and that's strange to me.BHK: I don't understand your logic. If you want him dead, is it really a major enough risk to you that he would flip jester for you to not lynch him?It's not my choice whether to lynch or not, which lets me safely mark my reluctance without a mechanical effect.
Clearly the vote doesn't matter, considering webadict also voted no.
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2017, 09:31:04 pm
It'd be weird if he said yes :PCan the person being lynched even vote?Why not?
But...yeah. I'm not assuming there to be jesters in this game o_O
HMM @_@That makes it even stranger.NoI don't understand what makes it strange.You have just as much say in this lynch as anyone else under the current arrangement. webadict's given his reason for not lynching TBF. Yours seems to be that you want him dead but don't want to lynch him, and that's strange to me.BHK: I don't understand your logic. If you want him dead, is it really a major enough risk to you that he would flip jester for you to not lynch him?It's not my choice whether to lynch or not, which lets me safely mark my reluctance without a mechanical effect.
Clearly the vote doesn't matter, considering webadict also voted no.
BHK: You'd be OKAY with TBF being killed, but not necessarily the lynch of today because of...reasons right?
Can you tell us those reasons?
NoAlso even if I'd say no, I'm not comfy in seeing Flame99 lynched (I think she was the next in line after TBF? have to read back) as she seems pretty...non-mafia given her way of talking :O
Flame99: If it'd help clarity, how did you understand people talking and being suspicious of you? O:
Post by: hops on March 08, 2017, 05:37:34 am
Post by: webadict on March 08, 2017, 07:32:11 am
In Town of Salem, if the Jester is lynched, then the jester can kill a person that voted yes. In Werewolf, if the Tanner is lynched, the game ends. I'm not sure if this role archetype is common in Mafia.Jester is considered a rather poor alignment in mafia. It is very rare here.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 08, 2017, 08:16:50 am
In Town of Salem, if the Jester is lynched, then the jester can kill a person that voted yes. In Werewolf, if the Tanner is lynched, the game ends. I'm not sure if this role archetype is common in Mafia.Also, neither of these are generally true even if we had a jester.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 08, 2017, 08:56:00 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 08, 2017, 09:00:03 am
So its safe to vote...?....Well, yeah, but I'm not even a jester. Seriously, where did you get the idea that I was a jester?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 08, 2017, 11:01:28 am
Because you were acting like one.So its safe to vote...?....Well, yeah, but I'm not even a jester. Seriously, where did you get the idea that I was a jester?
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2017, 12:57:34 pm
You can still doubt him because he's on the lynching line :PBecause you were acting like one.So its safe to vote...?....Well, yeah, but I'm not even a jester. Seriously, where did you get the idea that I was a jester?
And there CAN be jesters in game (or at least jester-ish characters; one that needs to be lynched instead of NK'd or anything otherwise to win, per se), but...that really explains you wanting him killed but not lynched. And that you're not a lyncher :v
PFP
What else do you think about whom you suspect?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 08, 2017, 02:09:55 pm
How the heck was I acting like a jester?Because you were acting like one.So its safe to vote...?....Well, yeah, but I'm not even a jester. Seriously, where did you get the idea that I was a jester?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 08, 2017, 02:45:57 pm
BHK: Jesters are incredibly rare in this forum for a couple reasons. Firstly, they are a role that, at their most basic level of play, serve to make the game miserable for everyone else. I'm actually going to borrow a rough quote from one of the other players here about them: "Yeah, sure, you can play them in a not-annoying way, trying to convince people you need to be lynched by other means, but why bother when the annoying method is so much easier and just as effective?" I have never included a jester in a single game I have run or planned because they are an incredibly toxic role. While this game could have a jester (hah, I italicized correctly this time), it is both statistically unlikely and not something that should really be worried about.
Now that we've dealt with the whole culture-shock thing...
Also:I think it's worth letting him down from the block and entering into another round of suggestion voting, especially given that no pressure was place on him since he pretty quickly got multiple "No" votes so we're not going to learn anything interesting from having him under pressure in that way. So, I'm going to vote No so we can move on with the day. As for who I want to see lynched other than him... well, not Deus Asmoth. Otherwise the jury is still out on that matter. If I had to pick someone I'd say flame99 on a hunch, but I don't have anything strong to go off of (it's D1 after all, and BHK's culture shock is a decent explanation for a lot of his strange actions).
Tiruin, 4mask, webadict: You three suggestion-voted TBF. Do you still want to see him lynched? If not, who should be lynched instead?
Eh, might as well post the whole list:The deck of many things may be mine, since I don't see anything else there that would fit, but I'm honestly not quite sure myself.
A runic explosive.
A geology textbook.
A pair of binoculars.
A Deck of Many Things.
A sturdy pickaxe.
A basket of herbs.
A bottle of maple syrup.
A megaphone.
A set of obsidian tiles with letters on them.
A bone wand.
A charm bracelet.
A pair of purple boots.
webadict: Care to give some reads?
BHK: If I had a 2/9 chance of coming back as scum, would you still want to kill me?What on earth is this about?
TheBiggerFish: if/when you are no longer up for lynch, who do you plan to suggest we lynch and why?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 08, 2017, 04:01:28 pm
With no offense intended, you were being anmoying in a jestery way.How the heck was I acting like a jester?Because you were acting like one.So its safe to vote...?....Well, yeah, but I'm not even a jester. Seriously, where did you get the idea that I was a jester?
snipUnderstood. And 100% agrerable too.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 08, 2017, 04:08:10 pm
FoU: How close does that bring us to a "no" hammer?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 08, 2017, 04:15:28 pm
Votecount:
Lynch TheBiggerFish(0): []
Don't Lynch TheBiggerFish(6): [webadict, BlackHeartKabal, TheBiggerFish, Deus Asmoth, 4maskwolf, TheDarkStar]
"Bah. Okay then. Back to you, Mr. Star. Please choose somebody that will actually be lynched this time."
... Choice phase returned to. Deadline: Sometime after TheDarkStar votes. Again.
Votecount:
TheDarkStar(0): []
TheBiggerFish(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
webadict(0): []
Deus Asmoth(0): []
Cinder(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
flame99(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting: TheDarkStar
~~~
Post by: webadict on March 08, 2017, 07:25:33 pm
Ugh, so it is exactly what I thought it was.Reads? I dunno man. My reads are pretty useless at this point, but if you want, I'll say that I think TBF might be Town. And probably Cinder. Tiruin as well. After that, I'm out. I'd say that BHK is mafia, but that's mostly because of how he acted, which is a bad way to judge. I think flame is mafia. Everyone else, I don't really care one way or the other.
BHK: Jesters are incredibly rare in this forum for a couple reasons. Firstly, they are a role that, at their most basic level of play, serve to make the game miserable for everyone else. I'm actually going to borrow a rough quote from one of the other players here about them: "Yeah, sure, you can play them in a not-annoying way, trying to convince people you need to be lynched by other means, but why bother when the annoying method is so much easier and just as effective?" I have never included a jester in a single game I have run or planned because they are an incredibly toxic role. While this game could have a jester (hah, I italicized correctly this time), it is both statistically unlikely and not something that should really be worried about.
Now that we've dealt with the whole culture-shock thing...Also:I think it's worth letting him down from the block and entering into another round of suggestion voting, especially given that no pressure was place on him since he pretty quickly got multiple "No" votes so we're not going to learn anything interesting from having him under pressure in that way. So, I'm going to vote No so we can move on with the day. As for who I want to see lynched other than him... well, not Deus Asmoth. Otherwise the jury is still out on that matter. If I had to pick someone I'd say flame99 on a hunch, but I don't have anything strong to go off of (it's D1 after all, and BHK's culture shock is a decent explanation for a lot of his strange actions).
Tiruin, 4mask, webadict: You three suggestion-voted TBF. Do you still want to see him lynched? If not, who should be lynched instead?Eh, might as well post the whole list:The deck of many things may be mine, since I don't see anything else there that would fit, but I'm honestly not quite sure myself.
A runic explosive.
A geology textbook.
A pair of binoculars.
A Deck of Many Things.
A sturdy pickaxe.
A basket of herbs.
A bottle of maple syrup.
A megaphone.
A set of obsidian tiles with letters on them.
A bone wand.
A charm bracelet.
A pair of purple boots.
webadict: Care to give some reads?BHK: If I had a 2/9 chance of coming back as scum, would you still want to kill me?What on earth is this about?
TheBiggerFish: if/when you are no longer up for lynch, who do you plan to suggest we lynch and why?
Essentially, I'm trying to figure out more about who gets what item, mostly because I get free semi-inspections by doing so. That is the trade-off for me giving away items.
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2017, 08:05:40 pm
Actually, 4maskwolf was the hammerer....This is a very diplomatic hammer :3
Now if only people did that mechanic in other hammer games :P (It actually sounds reasonable if one would think about it in THIS game as it's role-based instead of game-voting based)
However I do feel that, if TDS doesn't have any better reads, we proceed to No Lynch [I'm happy with a lynch however too though] as I feel like we'll be reaching a saturation point of browsing-through-people and just overall reads with squabbles--a 2 man team won't go down agreeing, and at this point we've no 'hard' tells otherwise gained by our role abilities and such alongside a comparison if we're the "Vanilla BM" of 7 Town/2 Mafia and NO power roles wherein we have to lynch...because we've got a "King" and other reasons. :P
...Actually it is much like the latter sentence but it seems either caution or otherwise has taken place. I'm on the 'I'd just really want to see TBF's ideas on webadict given all his time today" but he hasn't posted lately--I'm okay with his lynch but am :-\ on the Yes/No after thinking it all over (because while I do lean a bit of okay on him, "I can't be sure" is the usual clause given that I have no idea how to read alignment [oooo she roleclaimed tips!])[/cough]
TDS: I want to hear a full overall read from you this game :3
Since you've the end-vote, you've responsibilities, and while I have notes on you--this doesn't preclude you as being scum of note to new players. [Kingmaker games, which I feel like is the nearest similarity to the voting mechanic we've got here {sans the "Yes/No" bit given its customization AND TRANSPARENCY TO FoU :I}, depends on generally presenting one's ideas in public, and implicitly 'swaying' the King based on your wincon--just like a normal Mafia game, but there's this one dude who hammers instead of y'all doing it; in a BYOR that means anything can happen within reason, so there can be 'lynch shooters' who can kill upon lynch or people being immune to lynch or even those that can implicitly day-action-lynch-deny which I recall is termed a "Politician" in the vanilla context? Anyway, the Kingmaker mechanics do have the note that scum can be the "King", which means just as much as you can try to infer for learning and visualization/Mafia-game critical thinking purposes :3]
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 08, 2017, 08:13:01 pm
Uh...Most third parties don't want to die, which makes them town-aligned because the scum will kill them.Can you explain the reasoning behind this?
BHK: Do you still think webadict is scum?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 08, 2017, 09:09:42 pm
BHK: Do you still think webadict is scum?I want someone to investigate him, at least. I suppose that's webadicts play, so I can't judge his alignment off of that.
Who are your top suspects?
Post by: webadict on March 08, 2017, 09:44:38 pm
Go ahead. I'm gonna die tonight anyway. My role is wicked strong.BHK: Do you still think webadict is scum?I want someone to investigate him, at least. I suppose that's webadicts play, so I can't judge his alignment off of that.
Who are your top suspects?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 08, 2017, 10:31:16 pm
Now I think he's scum.Go ahead. I'm gonna die tonight anyway. My role is wicked strong.BHK: Do you still think webadict is scum?I want someone to investigate him, at least. I suppose that's webadicts play, so I can't judge his alignment off of that.
Who are your top suspects?
Post by: webadict on March 08, 2017, 10:33:26 pm
Good. The more people think I'm scum, the less likely I am to die, meaning that I can give away more goods, meaning that I can inspect more people.Now I think he's scum.Go ahead. I'm gonna die tonight anyway. My role is wicked strong.BHK: Do you still think webadict is scum?I want someone to investigate him, at least. I suppose that's webadicts play, so I can't judge his alignment off of that.
Who are your top suspects?
Or, I die, and it was a setup the whole time. Because I'm probably lying about something.
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2017, 10:55:22 pm
(Ok I'm unsure if you count red text but seriously :v this is the /me tag)
While I'd enjoy explaining things to newbies, I'm noting these down. Silently. But posting to nudge newbies and others that people do this :P
Post by: webadict on March 09, 2017, 07:07:34 pm
/me narrows her eyelidsAre you scum?
(Ok I'm unsure if you count red text but seriously :v this is the /me tag)
While I'd enjoy explaining things to newbies, I'm noting these down. Silently. But posting to nudge newbies and others that people do this :P
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2017, 07:18:12 pm
/me narrows her eyelidsWut.
(Ok I'm unsure if you count red text but seriously :v this is the /me tag)
While I'd enjoy explaining things to newbies, I'm noting these down. Silently. But posting to nudge newbies and others that people do this :P
What does this even mean?
Good. The more people think I'm scum, the less likely I am to die, meaning that I can give away more goods, meaning that I can inspect more people.Classic webadict.
Or, I die, and it was a setup the whole time. Because I'm probably lying about something.
And no, you're not going to get any better post out of me until at least tomorrow, I have to leave for work in two minutes.
Post by: webadict on March 09, 2017, 07:25:26 pm
Eh, that's okay. You're probably town. Want an item, though?/me narrows her eyelidsWut.
(Ok I'm unsure if you count red text but seriously :v this is the /me tag)
While I'd enjoy explaining things to newbies, I'm noting these down. Silently. But posting to nudge newbies and others that people do this :P
What does this even mean?Good. The more people think I'm scum, the less likely I am to die, meaning that I can give away more goods, meaning that I can inspect more people.Classic webadict.
Or, I die, and it was a setup the whole time. Because I'm probably lying about something.
And no, you're not going to get any better post out of me until at least tomorrow, I have to leave for work in two minutes.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 09, 2017, 07:54:37 pm
So this is my plan: We'll enter the lynch phase at roughly the same time of day as last time this next Monday. If there isn't a clear consensus or if people don't have any serious votes, I'll make the decision on who is up for lynching.
/me narrows her eyelidsAre you scum?
(Ok I'm unsure if you count red text but seriously :v this is the /me tag)
While I'd enjoy explaining things to newbies, I'm noting these down. Silently. But posting to nudge newbies and others that people do this :P
lol webadict. What are you trying to do with this?
/me narrows her eyelids
(Ok I'm unsure if you count red text but seriously :v this is the /me tag)
While I'd enjoy explaining things to newbies, I'm noting these down. Silently. But posting to nudge newbies and others that people do this :P
Tiruin: I'm also confused about this. You seem to think webadict is scum for role-related reasons but you're not suggestion-voting and you're leaving the case to other people?
Post by: webadict on March 09, 2017, 08:23:11 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2017, 08:52:58 pm
Tiruin: I'm also confused about this. You seem to think webadict is scum for role-related reasons but you're not suggestion-voting and you're leaving the case to other people?Of course after I poke you about your movements and mannerisms...this feels like you're rather eager to lynch but also rather cautious with it.
I never said WEBADICT WAS MAFIA LEANING IN MY MIND :P
This is more 'MAKING MY THOUGHTS PUBLICIZED' rather than anything because of the newbies, more are #d than scum and I cannot see them linked together in their mannerisms.
Apparently this has generated a nice reaction from others as well, so it's working quite!
Is that all you can seriously give after the long downtime and the judgement call of the masses? You shifting your 'Kingly suspicion' to the latest posters without context?
This seems either like a pressure bop, or someone missing context.
I feel like quoting my feelings in a Les Misérables here, but I'm rather curious about your latest post. :P
So this is my plan: We'll enter the lynch phase at roughly the same time of day as last time this next Monday. If there isn't a clear consensus or if people don't have any serious votes, I'll make the decision on who is up for lynching.We've had a rather 'serious' vote; you did not give your thoughts about it.
I'm going to vote no because I don't see a good case to lynch TBF over.So says the King.
FoU: How close does that bring us to a "no" hammer?
And then this was your lastest last post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7383249#msg7383249) (other than the clarify boop to those 'voting TBF' which nobody noticed I unvoted because I spelled "unvoting")
Post by: webadict on March 09, 2017, 09:07:37 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2017, 09:18:37 pm
Tiruin, I like the mic dropping. Which item did you want again? I am a bit tired, so I don't remember which one you said you wanted.The CANADIAN EH one. :P Which invariably was written as maple syrup. And while I am both cautious and deeply intrigued by your act, after seeing others also give acclaim and matching it, I would doubt there's an exterminator/intel type running around here :3
Although I don't think I'll need it tonight or something as I have yet to evolve [yes I am me but my name may be hard to pronounce, THANKS
Post by: webadict on March 09, 2017, 09:23:52 pm
Maple Syrup, got it.Tiruin, I like the mic dropping. Which item did you want again? I am a bit tired, so I don't remember which one you said you wanted.The CANADIAN EH one. :P Which invariably was written as maple syrup. And while I am both cautious and deeply intrigued by your act, after seeing others also give acclaim and matching it, I would doubt there's an exterminator/intel type running around here :3
Although I don't think I'll need it tonight or something as I have yet to evolve [yes I am me but my name may be hard to pronounce, THANKSJustin TrudeauFoU, and no I'm not a cosmic horror or something {LIKE ALIEMS} that gives the vibes of 'hard to pronounce']
Also, you're probably going to die now that I've said that. But, that's okay, because you won't be the item recipient tonight. Someone else will. Or maybe you will. I am gonna flip a coin. It's either you, TBF, or... I dunno, Cinder or something. Oh, 4mask, too.
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2017, 09:28:31 pm
THAT is why I keep saying he doesn't feel mafia to me. Because it'd both be DARN AWESOME D:< ...and that it'd be quite the way to play your team. o_O
...Or maybe it's the mythology thing sticking to me. I love mythology...
*cough*
But yeah I like that. No matter how this game goes, if I die because of that item, I'll fondly remember it as the MAPLE SYRUP...OF DEATH! Because it caused diabetes or something sweet.
Post by: webadict on March 09, 2017, 09:41:37 pm
Maaan, this is really some kind of salestalk :I It's like watching Deathnote (I've never watched that and only heard from my friends) or any anime where y'all be dealing with some dude who knows probably-everything-and-is-mysterious but only gives you hints and draws you further.I wish. It's not as cool as it sounds.
THAT is why I keep saying he doesn't feel mafia to me. Because it'd both be DARN AWESOME D:< ...and that it'd be quite the way to play your team. o_O
...Or maybe it's the mythology thing sticking to me. I love mythology...
*cough*
But yeah I like that. No matter how this game goes, if I die because of that item, I'll fondly remember it as the MAPLE SYRUP...OF DEATH! Because it caused diabetes or something sweet.
Post by: hops on March 10, 2017, 04:34:24 am
Post by: hops on March 10, 2017, 04:34:50 am
Post by: webadict on March 10, 2017, 06:03:48 am
Also, are you able to give out all items in one night, webadict?No, not all. I can give out one, or I can determine the exact one to give out.
Post by: hops on March 10, 2017, 06:50:34 am
One per night, or ever?Also, are you able to give out all items in one night, webadict?No, not all. I can give out one, or I can determine the exact one to give out.
Post by: webadict on March 10, 2017, 12:43:44 pm
Per Night. It's an action. The goal is to make sure I'm accounted for during the Night.One per night, or ever?Also, are you able to give out all items in one night, webadict?No, not all. I can give out one, or I can determine the exact one to give out.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 10, 2017, 10:39:01 pm
So if you weren't sure about him being scum and had no scum reads other than webadict in your previous reads, who was/is your top pick for scum before webadict said this?Now I think he's scum.Go ahead. I'm gonna die tonight anyway. My role is wicked strong.BHK: Do you still think webadict is scum?I want someone to investigate him, at least. I suppose that's webadicts play, so I can't judge his alignment off of that.
Who are your top suspects?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 10, 2017, 10:56:43 pm
Now I think he's scum.Go ahead. I'm gonna die tonight anyway. My role is wicked strong.BHK: Do you still think webadict is scum?I want someone to investigate him, at least. I suppose that's webadicts play, so I can't judge his alignment off of that.
Who are your top suspects?
...no vote?
Post by: webadict on March 10, 2017, 11:10:24 pm
Don't wanna take the burden on yourself?Now I think he's scum.Go ahead. I'm gonna die tonight anyway. My role is wicked strong.BHK: Do you still think webadict is scum?I want someone to investigate him, at least. I suppose that's webadicts play, so I can't judge his alignment off of that.
Who are your top suspects?
...no vote?
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2017, 11:29:40 pm
Don't wanna take the burden on yourself?I think he forgot BHK's view on it :P
But!
TDS: Other than what I said before; what's your idea on the vote/lynch lookout as of now?
Accounted for? :OPer Night. It's an action. The goal is to make sure I'm accounted for during the Night.One per night, or ever?Also, are you able to give out all items in one night, webadict?No, not all. I can give out one, or I can determine the exact one to give out.
...Okay at this point I've a feeling I can guess that kind of wincon but based on memory...and all the Mafia games I've seen since I started here, it's pretty vague. :P
So what's everyone read for scum, useful town, and least useful town?I put third-party-maybe instead of 'generalizing scum' because I'm not the player who actually thinks third-parties are against town even if their wincon isn't against town. :P
...Meaning I still have the same reads as before. Nothing of particular mention (as seen in notes/reads), with slight leaning towards either way for folks; having a feeling myself that today has been a cautious day for scum and/or they're inactive as it seems only us/around a half are more active these latter days, and that the night will bring stuff to surface.
Also TBF should post more and where in the world is his info on webadict he's making his tunnelday out to be :I
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 10, 2017, 11:59:41 pm
Post by: webadict on March 11, 2017, 12:15:14 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2017, 07:53:46 am
It's honestly not worth explaining, Tiruin, but I'm Town. My wincon is the same as a normal Town player's.Either way, I don't think you're Mafia :P (And if third-party, on the non-malevolent side)
SIDENOTE: It's been one week since the last week's stuff, and it seems only a literal handful (or...hand-fingers...as in less than 6!) have been posting.
Your Majesty, may we hear from you lately?
Post by: webadict on March 11, 2017, 10:10:47 am
You can hear the crickets chirping if you put your ear to the monitor.It's honestly not worth explaining, Tiruin, but I'm Town. My wincon is the same as a normal Town player's.Either way, I don't think you're Mafia :P (And if third-party, on the non-malevolent side)
SIDENOTE: It's been one week since the last week's stuff, and it seems only a literal handful (or...hand-fingers...as in less than 6!) have been posting.
Your Majesty, may we hear from you lately?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 11, 2017, 05:25:41 pm
webadict: Yes and no: yes, I'd like an item, no, I'm not nearly as certain which one is mine as some others are of theirs. What caused your change between your reads commentary (where you said everyone not mentioned you didn't have an opinion on, including me) to the post you made after my short post (where you said I was probably town)? Similarly, what caused you to change your mind on TBF being scum to being town?
Post by: webadict on March 11, 2017, 08:01:00 pm
Bwuh the Devil is a Part-Timer is too distracting...It's a good show.
webadict: Yes and no: yes, I'd like an item, no, I'm not nearly as certain which one is mine as some others are of theirs. What caused your change between your reads commentary (where you said everyone not mentioned you didn't have an opinion on, including me) to the post you made after my short post (where you said I was probably town)? Similarly, what caused you to change your mind on TBF being scum to being town?
Psh, like I know how my mind works. Sometimes, my mind changes like that. I read what you said, seemed Town to me, figured I'd let everyone else know what I'm thinking. But, it's sad you don't want an item. However will I get my inspection on you~?
Also, TBF has a stupid power for scum to use.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 11, 2017, 10:41:09 pm
If I were confident that it weren't just me wasting a single vote to accomplish nothing, I'd vote.Don't wanna take the burden on yourself?Now I think he's scum.Go ahead. I'm gonna die tonight anyway. My role is wicked strong.BHK: Do you still think webadict is scum?I want someone to investigate him, at least. I suppose that's webadicts play, so I can't judge his alignment off of that.
Who are your top suspects?
...no vote?
Post by: webadict on March 12, 2017, 12:10:59 am
Votes are wasted. They're the biggest tool Town have against scum.If I were confident that it weren't just me wasting a single vote to accomplish nothing, I'd vote.Don't wanna take the burden on yourself?Go ahead. I'm gonna die tonight anyway. My role is wicked strong.Now I think he's scum.
...no vote?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 12, 2017, 03:42:38 pm
Also, TBF has a stupid power for scum to use.
Alright, what do you mean by this? I searched for "TheBiggerFish" and found no references to a roleclaim from him until you mentioned it just now.
Post by: webadict on March 12, 2017, 04:14:38 pm
~~~I know something you don't know~~~Also, TBF has a stupid power for scum to use.
Alright, what do you mean by this? I searched for "TheBiggerFish" and found no references to a roleclaim from him until you mentioned it just now.
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2017, 10:07:24 pm
>_>Also, TBF has a stupid power for scum to use.
Alright, what do you mean by this? I searched for "TheBiggerFish" and found no references to a roleclaim from him until you mentioned it just now.
<_<
You do have time to address what everyone else said, right?
Also you can alsoalsoalso check webadict's words before--he has pretty much notes of some information on folks :P
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 04:31:28 am
I do want an item, I'm just not as positive as the others on which one is mine. I mentioned earlier the item that I think is mine, but I'll let you decide that for yourself. I'm wary of shit like that Cheeetar role you made, so I'm not going to give my actual role name, but my role name has a very similar meaning to the Everyman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everyman).Bwuh the Devil is a Part-Timer is too distracting...But, it's sad you don't want an item. However will I get my inspection on you~?
webadict: Yes and no: yes, I'd like an item, no, I'm not nearly as certain which one is mine as some others are of theirs. What caused your change between your reads commentary (where you said everyone not mentioned you didn't have an opinion on, including me) to the post you made after my short post (where you said I was probably town)? Similarly, what caused you to change your mind on TBF being scum to being town?
Also, TBF has a stupid power for scum to use.
You know what, I have a vote to start things off since everyone seems to be content sitting around holding their dicks and we're not going to get anything done that way. BlackHeartKabal a single vote is never wasted, everything we say and do provides information and gives voice to our suspicions and beliefs. So vote for who you believe to be scum, because that vote is never wasted, and it gives power to your words. In this game, words are easy to ignore and shrug off, but a vote represent a legitimate threat to someone: that's why I've leveraged mine throughout the day to draw attention to posts and ensure I received answers to my questions. So, pray tell: why aren't you voting?
Same goes for everyone else, actually: why aren't you voting?
Post by: hops on March 13, 2017, 05:16:53 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2017, 06:10:53 am
I have no idea who scum is, and nobody has given any convincing scum read either, so I'm not sure who to lynch.This is when you either decide to vote or not to :P
...While I did say NO, it is my opinion (however I have left my vote on TBF because I'm OKAY with a lynch but NOT OKAY WITH IT since he has not posted).
...He has not yet posted despite it being one whole week. :v
So boop to that, Cin. :3 You have to decide and deconstruct the situation: What do you think is better done towards your wincon and its implications?
[snoop]You...took forever to post that.
Why did you take more than 4 days to post anything.
Why is there such a lack of activity here D:<
You know what, I have a vote to start things off since everyone seems to be content sitting around holding their dicks and we're not going to get anything done that way. BlackHeartKabal a single vote is never wasted, everything we say and do provides information and gives voice to our suspicions and beliefs. So vote for who you believe to be scum, because that vote is never wasted, and it gives power to your words. In this game, words are easy to ignore and shrug off, but a vote represent a legitimate threat to someone: that's why I've leveraged mine throughout the day to draw attention to posts and ensure I received answers to my questions. So, pray tell: why aren't you voting?Also I don't have a dick to hold! :I
Same goes for everyone else, actually: why aren't you voting?
You jerk! I:
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 03:30:02 pm
Its clear you're going to igbore Webadict acting completely scummy whether I vote him or not. Besides that, it's not even my vote.I do want an item, I'm just not as positive as the others on which one is mine. I mentioned earlier the item that I think is mine, but I'll let you decide that for yourself. I'm wary of shit like that Cheeetar role you made, so I'm not going to give my actual role name, but my role name has a very similar meaning to the Everyman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everyman).Bwuh the Devil is a Part-Timer is too distracting...But, it's sad you don't want an item. However will I get my inspection on you~?
webadict: Yes and no: yes, I'd like an item, no, I'm not nearly as certain which one is mine as some others are of theirs. What caused your change between your reads commentary (where you said everyone not mentioned you didn't have an opinion on, including me) to the post you made after my short post (where you said I was probably town)? Similarly, what caused you to change your mind on TBF being scum to being town?
Also, TBF has a stupid power for scum to use.
You know what, I have a vote to start things off since everyone seems to be content sitting around holding their dicks and we're not going to get anything done that way. BlackHeartKabal a single vote is never wasted, everything we say and do provides information and gives voice to our suspicions and beliefs. So vote for who you believe to be scum, because that vote is never wasted, and it gives power to your words. In this game, words are easy to ignore and shrug off, but a vote represent a legitimate threat to someone: that's why I've leveraged mine throughout the day to draw attention to posts and ensure I received answers to my questions. So, pray tell: why aren't you voting?
Same goes for everyone else, actually: why aren't you voting?
Post by: webadict on March 13, 2017, 05:54:46 pm
I'm conflicted, though. I want to vote BHK, but I also don't want to vote him. I'm against voting him mostly because I'm emotionally biased, so I feel my vote may be compromised.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 06:23:51 pm
I mean, you can't know that.Okay, if you insist on proof, webadict, I can oblige.
I'm conflicted, though. I want to vote BHK, but I also don't want to vote him. I'm against voting him mostly because I'm emotionally biased, so I feel my vote may be compromised.
Post by: webadict on March 13, 2017, 06:46:52 pm
There ya go!I mean, you can't know that.Okay, if you insist on proof, webadict, I can oblige.
I'm conflicted, though. I want to vote BHK, but I also don't want to vote him. I'm against voting him mostly because I'm emotionally biased, so I feel my vote may be compromised.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 13, 2017, 07:20:40 pm
I have no idea who scum is, and nobody has given any convincing scum read either, so I'm not sure who to lynch.Who do you have a scum read on, convincing or otherwise? Failing that, who would you be ok with lynching?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 13, 2017, 07:38:11 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 13, 2017, 07:38:29 pm
Post by: webadict on March 13, 2017, 07:55:42 pm
Why are we all voting in red exactly?Force of habit? Easier to read? Favorite color? Color blind?
Take yer pick.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 08:11:00 pm
BHK, given how undecided you were on Webadict earlier, can you lay out what you mean by him being completely scummy?His consistent and vague "I know something you don't" BS? I have to explain that?
Post by: webadict on March 13, 2017, 08:32:22 pm
What's wrong with knowing something you don't?BHK, given how undecided you were on Webadict earlier, can you lay out what you mean by him being completely scummy?His consistent and vague "I know something you don't" BS? I have to explain that?
Don't you like surprise parties?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 13, 2017, 09:16:11 pm
The suggestion-votecount:
TheDarkStar(0): []
TheBiggerFish(0): []
Tiruin(0): [TDS]
webadict(0): [TDS, BHK]
Deus Asmoth(0): []
Cinder(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): [4mask, DA]
flame99(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
I get the tie-break vote (actually the only vote ;)) so I'll go with BlackHeartKabal both because his voting history is odd (said he found webadict scummy but took a long time to vote) and so we can get some info.
Post by: webadict on March 13, 2017, 09:25:28 pm
I'm half-inclined to vote for webadict myself because insider knowledge isn't usually a good thing and usually indicates scumminess, but I read webadict as non-survivor third-party rather than scum.I mean, it's not going to be a secret tomorrow.
The suggestion-votecount:
TheDarkStar(0): []
TheBiggerFish(0): []
Tiruin(0): [TDS]
webadict(0): [TDS, BHK]
Deus Asmoth(0): []
Cinder(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): [4mask, DA]
flame99(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
I get the tie-break vote (actually the only vote ;)) so I'll go with BlackHeartKabal both because his voting history is odd (said he found webadict scummy but took a long time to vote) and so we can get some info.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 09:27:39 pm
I'm half-inclined to vote for webadict myself because insider knowledge isn't usually a good thing and usually indicates scumminess, but I read webadict as non-survivor third-party rather than scum.Deja Vu.
Also, I have the same info webadict does regarding TBF's role, just... go read the banter thread, that's where I'm getting what I think TBF's role can do from.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 13, 2017, 09:31:38 pm
I'm half-inclined to vote for webadict myself because insider knowledge isn't usually a good thing and usually indicates scumminess, but I read webadict as non-survivor third-party rather than scum.Deja Vu.
Also, I have the same info webadict does regarding TBF's role, just... go read the banter thread, that's where I'm getting what I think TBF's role can do from.
...oh, that's what webadict was referencing.
Yeah, that's a silly power for scum to have.
Post by: webadict on March 13, 2017, 09:36:34 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 13, 2017, 09:54:57 pm
BlackHeartKabal is thrust up on a pillar. Voting begins... now.
Votecount:
Lynch BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Don't Lynch BlackHeartKabal(0): []
Day ends about 72 hours from now or upon hammer. Deadline: about 9:50 P.M. forum/central time on Thursday.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 10:06:54 pm
Well, great, surprise party ruined.A surprise party is only fun when people aren't trying to kill each other, that's called a riot.
I'm going to start off this phase by voting lynch. Come at me bro.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 13, 2017, 10:19:23 pm
Any questions?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 10:33:14 pm
Hope town loses this game. You're lucky I didn't survive to vig you, webadict.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 10:49:41 pm
Are we allowed to just ignore the rule about talking about stuff outside the thread then?I'm half-inclined to vote for webadict myself because insider knowledge isn't usually a good thing and usually indicates scumminess, but I read webadict as non-survivor third-party rather than scum.Deja Vu.
Also, I have the same info webadict does regarding TBF's role, just... go read the banter thread, that's where I'm getting what I think TBF's role can do from.
...oh, that's what webadict was referencing.
Yeah, that's a silly power for scum to have.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 13, 2017, 10:50:45 pm
Are we allowed to just ignore the rule about talking about stuff outside the thread then?I'm half-inclined to vote for webadict myself because insider knowledge isn't usually a good thing and usually indicates scumminess, but I read webadict as non-survivor third-party rather than scum.Deja Vu.
Also, I have the same info webadict does regarding TBF's role, just... go read the banter thread, that's where I'm getting what I think TBF's role can do from.
...oh, that's what webadict was referencing.
Yeah, that's a silly power for scum to have.
For reference:
No.Is there anybody not in FBYOR 2 who would like to be?Gotta drop out?
Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2017, 10:51:15 pm
I get the tie-break vote (actually the only vote ;)) so I'll go with BlackHeartKabal both because his voting history is odd (said he found webadict scummy but took a long time to vote) and so we can get some info.Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
You can't even build up a case other than 'voting history is odd' and nothing else behind it <_<
And it's like you context mine it out! He said why he's doing that
You did NOTHING.If I were confident that it weren't just me wasting a single vote to accomplish nothing, I'd vote.Don't wanna take the burden on yourself?Now I think he's scum.Go ahead. I'm gonna die tonight anyway. My role is wicked strong.BHK: Do you still think webadict is scum?I want someone to investigate him, at least. I suppose that's webadicts play, so I can't judge his alignment off of that.
Who are your top suspects?
...no vote?
[/AGAIN]
While I do believe there's playstyle in brevity, this is REAAAAAAAAAAAALLY OFF.
My King.
:I
Oh wooooooow.I'm half-inclined to vote for webadict myself because insider knowledge isn't usually a good thing and usually indicates scumminess, but I read webadict as non-survivor third-party rather than scum.Deja Vu.
Also, I have the same info webadict does regarding TBF's role, just... go read the banter thread, that's where I'm getting what I think TBF's role can do from.
...oh, that's what webadict was referencing.
Yeah, that's a silly power for scum to have.
TBF posts everywhere else but here.
Wooooooow <_<
Seriously metagaming >_>
/me punches TBF on the fish.
And that was the /me tag. These lynch targets are really iffy but post-consideration as I said in my posts it's either better off doing a lynch or doing a no lynch ultimately.
THIS however lacks even MORE SUBSTANCE THAN TBF.
May not be ToS, but everyone sure acts like the average low elo ToS player.Hey, stop being vengeful or spiteful. Post. Talk. Stop that kind of rubbish sass. There's nice witty sass and then there's spiteful sass.
Hope town loses this game. You're lucky I didn't survive to vig you, webadict.
The latter part here can be declaimed as 'OOOOOOO SCUM BEING SORE' but I really don't see that given how I understand your playstyle (but wow are other people's playstyle being iffy so my words here are moreso 'heeeeey BOP the attitude' <_<)
And then there's brevity sass that someones else is doing. :V
PPE 1x 2x
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 10:52:34 pm
May not be ToS, but everyone sure acts like the average low elo ToS player.Okay so...
Hope town loses this game. You're lucky I didn't survive to vig you, webadict.
Perhaps if you're going to accuse people of being shit you should actually put on a good showing yourself?
You're not even trying to defend yourself when this is actually the most ToS-esque game that's been seen here for a while. You're up on the block now, and people are voting whether or not to lynch you. Defend yourself. Give people a reason not to lynch you. Instead you're basically ragequitting because you're up on the block D1, and that does nothing to help people not lynch you. In fact, it makes them more likely to do so because town or scum nobody likes a toxic player.
Are we allowed to just ignore the rule about talking about stuff outside the thread then?That's why I brought it up, so that if Fallacy hadn't seen it he'd be able to check it out and choose what, if any, action to take.
Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2017, 10:53:39 pm
YOU CAN SEE BHK'S REASONING IN ALL HIS POSTS IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ BACK.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 10:55:07 pm
TDS just hammered me brcause of the surprise kingmaker voting. Theres nothing to defend. No shit I'm quitting if Im dying as soon as the mod logs on.May not be ToS, but everyone sure acts like the average low elo ToS player.Okay so...
Hope town loses this game. You're lucky I didn't survive to vig you, webadict.
Perhaps if you're going to accuse people of being shit you should actually put on a good showing yourself?
You're not even trying to defend yourself when this is actually the most ToS-esque game that's been seen here for a while. You're up on the block now, and people are voting whether or not to lynch you. Defend yourself. Give people a reason not to lynch you. Instead you're basically ragequitting because you're up on the block D1, and that does nothing to help people not lynch you. In fact, it makes them more likely to do so because town or scum nobody likes a toxic player.Are we allowed to just ignore the rule about talking about stuff outside the thread then?That's why I brought it up, so that if Fallacy hadn't seen it he'd be able to check it out and choose what, if any, action to take.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 10:56:34 pm
TDS just hammered me brcause of the surprise kingmaker voting. Theres nothing to defend. No shit I'm quitting if Im dying as soon as the mod logs on.You're not hammered, you're up on the block, and we get to decide whether to lynch you or not. Apparently you haven't been paying any attention to the game mechanics or the mod post three above yours. That's why I said this is a very TOS-esque game, because there are actually two phases to the lynch.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 10:58:39 pm
Day Ends... sometime after TheDarkStar votes.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 10:59:40 pm
Day ends about 72 hours from now or upon hammer. Deadline: about 9:50 P.M. forum/central time on Thursday.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 11:00:28 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 11:01:52 pm
Oh for fuck's sake, if you're going to quote the beginning of game post at least read the fucking lynch mechanics.Quote from: Trial SystemThe voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2017, 11:03:33 pm
So which is it? Both are modposts.It seems that TDS' role overrides ANY KIND OF MOD POST, as it seems he can even customize the darn hammer to his suites. It's the same situation as TBF. I can easily understand the spite especially given the crappy allegations put against you (BECAUSE THE KING DIDN'T BOTHER SCUMHUNTING *cough*) but your attitude in that last bit also didn't give me a good taste in my mouth.
PPE Y 4mask. Y.
Stop swearing. You jerk. :IOh for fuck's sake, if you're going to quote the beginning of game post at least read the fucking lynch mechanics.Quote from: Trial SystemThe voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 11:04:47 pm
It's not like I'm inclined to read anyones shit if you're too lazy to read mine.Oh for fuck's sake, if you're going to quote the beginning of game post at least read the fucking lynch mechanics.Quote from: Trial SystemThe voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2017, 11:06:15 pm
Read mine then. :PIt's not like I'm inclined to read anyones shit if you're too lazy to read mine.Oh for fuck's sake, if you're going to quote the beginning of game post at least read the fucking lynch mechanics.Quote from: Trial SystemThe voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
...Although lately it seems like nobody is quoting or even mentioning my posts :V
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 11:12:57 pm
I think the only people that matter are webadict and bis butt buddies.Read mine then. :PIt's not like I'm inclined to read anyones shit if you're too lazy to read mine.Oh for fuck's sake, if you're going to quote the beginning of game post at least read the fucking lynch mechanics.Quote from: Trial SystemThe voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
...Although lately it seems like nobody is quoting or even mentioning my posts :V
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 11:18:59 pm
I read everything you say, it's kinda what I do. Thing is, I don't generally comment too much on those things until I have some hard data to work with, either roleflips or inspection results. It's the combination of people's words and these forms of hard data that I use to find the scum. Unlike ToS, forum mafia starts with an entire day of conversation and votes, which means that there's no hard information to be had D1. I'll be honest, I'm actually kinda in the same boat cinder is, in that I don't have any hard scum suspects. I never do, D1, because of the reason I said above. I'm partly voting for you because of your attitude towards the game: your exact attitude can ruin town cohesion, which means that if you're town you're among the least detrimental mislynches.It's not like I'm inclined to read anyones shit if you're too lazy to read mine.Oh for fuck's sake, if you're going to quote the beginning of game post at least read the fucking lynch mechanics.Quote from: Trial SystemThe voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
I think the only people that matter are webadict and bis butt buddies.Wow that's a low blow, especially since I know part of that is aimed at me, the person who has played, to his knowledge, exactly one other game with Webadict and bickered with him vitriolically (and uselessly, it was me and him having a fight about his attitude) for a good half day.
Would you like a full explanation of why I'm leaning town for webadict? Because I can give you one.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 11:22:42 pm
Do explain.I read everything you say, it's kinda what I do. Thing is, I don't generally comment too much on those things until I have some hard data to work with, either roleflips or inspection results. It's the combination of people's words and these forms of hard data that I use to find the scum. Unlike ToS, forum mafia starts with an entire day of conversation and votes, which means that there's no hard information to be had D1. I'll be honest, I'm actually kinda in the same boat cinder is, in that I don't have any hard scum suspects. I never do, D1, because of the reason I said above. I'm partly voting for you because of your attitude towards the game: your exact attitude can ruin town cohesion, which means that if you're town you're among the least detrimental mislynches.It's not like I'm inclined to read anyones shit if you're too lazy to read mine.Oh for fuck's sake, if you're going to quote the beginning of game post at least read the fucking lynch mechanics.Quote from: Trial SystemThe voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.I think the only people that matter are webadict and bis butt buddies.Wow that's a low blow, especially since I know part of that is aimed at me, the person who has played, to his knowledge, exactly one other game with Webadict and bickered with him vitriolically (and uselessly, it was me and him having a fight about his attitude) for a good half day.
Would you like a full explanation of why I'm leaning town for webadict? Because I can give you one.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 11:33:51 pm
Do explain.Okey dokes. Never thought I'd actually bring out one of my WoT in-depth posts on D1, but you learn something new every day. It'll be up either later tonight or tomorrow evening after work, for a post this broad-base it's gonna take a while to gather all my resources into one place and write a coherent post. Why I have DA as my strongest townlean will also be included, since a part of it is tied up in webadict's actions.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 13, 2017, 11:36:57 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 11:37:46 pm
It's stupid o clock in the morning and I'm tired of posting half dead, so I suppose I'll come bacm tomorrow.probably a good choice, posting while tired rarely ends well. I'll try to have it out when you wake up, unless I fall asleep before it's done.
Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2017, 11:40:24 pm
Grumble grumble words, and wishing you well with that BHK!
So :vDo explain.Okey dokes. Never thought I'd actually bring out one of my WoT in-depth posts on D1, but you learn something new every day. It'll be up either later tonight or tomorrow evening after work, for a post this broad-base it's gonna take a while to gather all my resources into one place and write a coherent post. Why I have DA as my strongest townlean will also be included, since a part of it is tied up in webadict's actions.
DA is your strongest townlean and yet you've not communicated with him prior?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 13, 2017, 11:41:44 pm
TFW "ToS" = Town of Salem and not anything legally otherwise you can comprehend at the moment. :II actually have talked to him, but you're right, I haven't talked as much with him as I have some others. My read on him comes from his actions independent of what I talk to him about, although my conversations with him have reinforced my belief that he is town.
Grumble grumble words, and wishing you well with that BHK!So :vDo explain.Okey dokes. Never thought I'd actually bring out one of my WoT in-depth posts on D1, but you learn something new every day. It'll be up either later tonight or tomorrow evening after work, for a post this broad-base it's gonna take a while to gather all my resources into one place and write a coherent post. Why I have DA as my strongest townlean will also be included, since a part of it is tied up in webadict's actions.
DA is your strongest townlean and yet you've not communicated with him prior?
Post by: webadict on March 14, 2017, 06:44:01 am
I cannot, in good conscience, vote for or against you, based on your play. Mostly because I had a chat with you. My goal was hopefully to lessen your reactions to me so that you DIDN'T get lynched. That is 100% why I told you to take out whatever anger you were having towards me elsewhere.
But, I can based on your attitude towards everyone else. Yes.
You can call us low Elo trash scum all you want. I gave you a chance. I avoided you, because I didn't want to egg you on. And here you go, making yourself enemies again. Being nice did me no favors, apparently.
In fact, I apologize to everyone else. This is why I was compromised in voting. I PMed Kabal to try to get him to calm down in thread. I thought it might've worked.
I guess not.
I tried. I changed my attitude, but you're the one egging people on. I avoided getting in a stupid fight, but you're the one that gave up. I even gave you a spce to unleash your anger, and you lashed out here.
Who is the low Elo player? You were gonna vig me. You would've been wrong. You are arguing with 4mask. You are also probably wrong there too. You are even arguing with Tiruin, and you may or may not be wrong there.
So, does me saying someone is Town make me trash? Does me playing my role the way i want make me trash? What makes me trash? What makes all of us trash? If you are an expert, perhaps you could've helped guide the game. But, you got in fights.
You literally still even have a chance, and you're wasting it. Perhaps you should try harder? Because everything you complained about me doing is being displayed by you. I even toned it down.
But, alas, I am probably trash, and I will never understand.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 14, 2017, 07:13:39 am
BHK
How do you reconcile wanting to lynch Webadict based entirely off his attitude with not wanting to lynch TBF based entirely off his attitude, which you both find irritating?BHK, given how undecided you were on Webadict earlier, can you lay out what you mean by him being completely scummy?His consistent and vague "I know something you don't" BS? I have to explain that?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 14, 2017, 07:18:01 am
Post by: webadict on March 14, 2017, 07:41:06 am
I really don't care anymore. Play with your little clique this game, and I'll ask the two apparent members of mine to drop out politely. You want to be an asshole and call it a game, don't expect me to play along. I hope the replacement hunt is long.You are so vindictive, it's ridiculous. No one attacked your friends. In fact, Cinder appears to be playing very appropriately. You should consider playing like her, instead of like whatever you're doing. Flame isn't even playing bad, either. I just think she's scum, but there's a difference between playing poorly and playing like scum.
You are playing poorly. Which is why I want to lynch you. Because you aren't giving yourself a chance.
The worst part is, what you're threatening hurts the game moderator more than it hurts the players. And you literally can't see that because you're blinded.
Because you are playing badly. You are ragequitting.
Good luck on that attitude. I can see how you were upset over how I was playing. You have so much support, and you refuse to use it. I hope you understand in time how many chances you are refusing.
Here's some help: Post "I am going to cool down and take out my anger elsewhere. I will be back later." Then do that. You might stand a better chance.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 14, 2017, 07:46:25 am
I hope you understand in time how many chances you are refusing.Huh, you must think I'm stupid.
All of my posts in defense have been ignored. Of course I'm going to quit if I can't even properly participate in the game. This isn't the fucking elementary school playground where you would get ignored till you snuck inside and sat at your desk the entire free period, if you aren't going to interact with me, no shit I'm going to quit! This is the first forum mafia I've played that's gone this shittily, and it's unlikely a coincidence that it's also my first with you.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 14, 2017, 08:15:44 am
Post by: webadict on March 14, 2017, 08:30:56 am
Yeah, I've calmed down a bit, but to be honest, I'm going to die today either way, and I still have the point of being ignored. Not much else to do.First: Are you Town? If yes, then you need to remember that even if you die, what you say will be used tomorrow. If no, then the same thing applies. Whichever alignment you are, you have to make sure your death isn't in vain.
That is, of course, the obvious thing. The second question: Why do you want to live? There are a number of reasons for this, but answering it truthfully is what may save you.
There aren't additional votes today, but you can do what you can to win without being alive.
I am glad you are accepting the help, though.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 14, 2017, 08:40:13 am
I wonder if I can get away with your same "because I'm useful rolewise" excuse.Yeah, I've calmed down a bit, but to be honest, I'm going to die today either way, and I still have the point of being ignored. Not much else to do.First: Are you Town? If yes, then you need to remember that even if you die, what you say will be used tomorrow. If no, then the same thing applies. Whichever alignment you are, you have to make sure your death isn't in vain.
That is, of course, the obvious thing. The second question: Why do you want to live? There are a number of reasons for this, but answering it truthfully is what may save you.
There aren't additional votes today, but you can do what you can to win without being alive.
I am glad you are accepting the help, though.
Post by: hops on March 14, 2017, 08:48:56 am
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 14, 2017, 08:53:54 am
I have three abilities. They each work on a roll of 6 dice for me and my target, 15 has no effect, the loser is hit by the effect of my ability, which means I can accidentally help the person I was targeting. I can kill someone, discover what one of their abilities does, or steal their vote.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 14, 2017, 08:54:21 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2017, 09:23:39 am
{Y/N vote was here, got snipped; was No.}
I mean come on. Seriously? Shortsightedness? COmpared to the foundation of the whole issue on BHK, everyone ELSE seems to be jumping on him because of his current (REASONABLE IN CONTEXT) attitude. And that's it.
And that's ignoring how he was concisely everywhere beforehand. There was little in questioning him. There was little in questioning as a follow-up. And moreso people being pressured into making actions in a two-part mechanism where quantity goes over quality. Technically (although I can see how quality will get followed up).
YesHow do you reconcile acting to a person who has given something like that--why has that turned into a lack of activity from you, and your questioning to other people?
BHKHow do you reconcile wanting to lynch Webadict based entirely off his attitude with not wanting to lynch TBF based entirely off his attitude, which you both find irritating?BHK, given how undecided you were on Webadict earlier, can you lay out what you mean by him being completely scummy?His consistent and vague "I know something you don't" BS? I have to explain that?
What made this guy better than your stance on TBF?
*reads on after that and snips out Y/N vote for later*
>_>
Ok that's a bit out. Regardless of who you are--your alignment or role or abilities at hand--you do not resort to division on players by basing your actions on your perspective of connections to other people. That is both wrong, and outside fair play--outside the unspoken bounds of sportsmanship we're all playing in. Please remember this. [Jim Groovester] I'll be quoting a mentor of mine as mentioned in the pseudo-bbcode; while Bay12 is really seemingly pressurized due to the age content of most of its players, we're all mature folks who can take the blows, and if you feel like you're taking it too harshly when before you click that post button, take some time off and return later to re-read everything you've said and refine it.[/Jim]
Okaaaay, that aside, snipping OUT the abruptness feelings as I'm feeling like that kind of reasoning comes from residual feelings from other games or people [as it is obvious noticing the attitude shift totally out of context]
...No
His attitude is, overall, reasonable--the impression of being cornered and hammered is rather a daunting one, and something that recedes a lot less because it's connected to one's own feedback to what's going on [as it follows the notion of a lack of control]
I've read until here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7390249#msg7390249) and this is why I copy pasted my vote--it's based on content. The role and whatever is still pushed aside to unknowns and all--no influence on it.
But how he's saying it really town-sides me. Whereas I assume too much, y'all gonna die, but you're pretty much claiming partially. Why this is so is because of the mechanics.
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Quote from: Trial SystemYou got a ton of stuff stacked against you.
The voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
A ton of stuff partly even escaping thorough refining [looking at thou, DA and OTHER PEOPLE who aren't webadict much]
And you're doing that?
...Also you have a vote yourself :v
[post-last-3-posts-reading]
Also come on. FoU said this is BASIC. [/moresomegrumblingbecauseI'mjusta"like a blob" to evolve but I suck right now]
This is amazingly basic. :I [/wow]
Post by: hops on March 14, 2017, 09:26:38 am
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 14, 2017, 09:30:03 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2017, 09:31:58 am
I'll vote no lynch if somebody could give me a better lynch candidate.. . .Um ._.
Punctuation, Cin. I don't know if you said I'll vote no; or I'll vote no lynch.
Because it seems like you're contradicting the idea you just said by asking for a different candidate. o_O A "no lynch" doesn't require a candidate--the lynch 'system' works by TDS picking.
...Which is pretty thorough of a litmus test on him. >_>
But the BREVITY :I
We can only pick Lynch or Not as it seems.
...It's only up to him to do No Lynch. :O
Which seems pretty good [doing the choice :v], because he's not doing much in comparison. :P
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Quote from: Trial System
The voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch.
In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch.
In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
No. For this one I genuinely won't have to explain anything.SO you're not a vigilante-lynch-shooter or whatever they call it then? :P Supersaint!
But yeah <_<
You goooot to not be spiteful. It ain't helping people. And YOU are the people you'll always be with! :D
UNLESS THIS WAS YOUR PLAN ALL ALONG BY GETTING REACTIONS FROM PEOPLE. :I
Because if so, then please remember that we all care about everyone else--internationally. Remember dat. :3
Then continue stabbing us in the back or in the front and whatnot. Game of daggers, Mafia be.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 14, 2017, 09:42:38 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 14, 2017, 10:00:19 am
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're asking me.YesHow do you reconcile acting to a person who has given something like that--why has that turned into a lack of activity from you, and your questioning to other people?
BHKHow do you reconcile wanting to lynch Webadict based entirely off his attitude with not wanting to lynch TBF based entirely off his attitude, which you both find irritating?BHK, given how undecided you were on Webadict earlier, can you lay out what you mean by him being completely scummy?His consistent and vague "I know something you don't" BS? I have to explain that?
What made this guy better than your stance on TBF?
*reads on after that and snips out Y/N vote for later*
>_>
Ok that's a bit out. Regardless of who you are--your alignment or role or abilities at hand--you do not resort to division on players by basing your actions on your perspective of connections to other people. That is both wrong, and outside fair play--outside the unspoken bounds of sportsmanship we're all playing in. Please remember this. [Jim Groovester] I'll be quoting a mentor of mine as mentioned in the pseudo-bbcode; while Bay12 is really seemingly pressurized due to the age content of most of its players, we're all mature folks who can take the blows, and if you feel like you're taking it too harshly when before you click that post button, take some time off and return later to re-read everything you've said and refine
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2017, 10:02:40 am
Basically: Why did you say Yes. You're pretty much like, but different from, TDS. Brevity. Conciseness?
There's a lot being unsaid that I feel is being noted for the future.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 14, 2017, 11:13:00 am
webadict: From the moment he started the game he's been drawing attention to himself in a very strange manner, his first post being fishing for someone else's role. At the time that set my alarm bells off and I began scrutinizing everything he did rather closely (although with the benefit of hindsight it's fairly obvious he was looking for who was the possessor of his maple syrup, at least if he's telling the truth about his role: the jury's still out on that, but I'll explain why I think it's likely below). This, of course, led into the next point of interest with webadict: his initially vague explanation of his abilities. Basically, he softclaimed some kind of empowering role and implied that if he used it for any scum or third party something bad would befall them, although he initially left it vague as to what. Let's look at it from two different perspectives: how it helps him if he's town, and how it helps him if he's scum.
Town webadict would gain a great deal of useful information, not just for himself, but for the town as a whole as well. By including the part about being able to find out scum, he traps scum into either calling his bluff (a risky move if he does indeed possess a way to inspect/kill/otherwise harm non-town he gives stuff to) or avoiding doing so, which may, down the line, come back to incriminate them as part of a larger body of evidence. Scum webadict gains... nothing over what town webadict would. See, unlike in Paranormal Mafia where people can discuss privately (or semi-privately, or literally exclude two people and keep the rest) all the information he'd be gaining from it would be public, and none of it would be incredibly useful to him as a scum player. The most he can really hope to get is a small hint at what powers someone might have based on their role, and the town gets that information as well so every townie can play around that (and unless there's some major fuckery going on, there are more town than scum here). Granted, in theory, town webadict doesn't gain any information that scum doesn't: after all, a scum webadict can use the same information to falsely incriminate someone as a town webadict can, but this leads into my second point.
The move draws a lot of unnecessary attention onto webadict himself. As scum, it's rarely beneficial to draw that much attention to yourself because it attracts all kinds of power roles and, potentially, votes. Unless his role is drastically different from what he's implied or the scum team have incredibly broken roles, that kind of attention could lead to a quick lynch or a quick kill. It's not even the kind of attention that generally gets you townie points: cause disruption on D1 tends to earn you the ire of a lot of players and a low spot on their scum-o-meter (learned this one from experience...). A scum webadict would have no reason to believe that making that play would result in people thinking he was town, and even if they did, a scum webadict would still be in a very interesting bind.
What bind? Well, let's break things down based on whether webadict is lying about his role or not. If he's lying about his role, then it's going to require some very fancy verbal gymnastics to weasel out of the lynch, since several players have fairly obvious items that are for them (this is, in fact, why I'm somewhat reluctant to have him do it to me: there's a non-zero possibility that I'm wrong about what my item is, and that either wastes town!wuba's action or gives scum!wuba an excuse to be somewhere else doing something else). If he's telling the truth about his role, well... he'd better be getting some pretty big boons for giving items, because empowering the town as a scum player is rather counterproductive, and if he were to empower his scumbuddy(s) it would be a giveaway if either of them ever died.
Conclusion? Webadict is probably not scum because his actions at the start of the game don't advance a scum wincon (and arguably hinder that same wincon) while providing lots of information for the town to use on later days from people's reactions. He also manages this without being incredibly disruptive (looking at you doll, if you're reading this game) allowing the day game to continue alongside his actions. All in all, he accomplishes a lot of work for the town in between his snark, and I'm willing to give him some town credit for that.
Now, on to...
Deus Asmoth: Actually got demoted to slight town as I was thinking about it this morning, because a huge amount of my conviction in his towniness were regarding his tone in dealing with questions and willingness to take risks (like calling webadict on his claim), but then I thought back to how he acted in the last Paranormal where he acted very similarly (minus some risks, but there were fewer risks to take in that game) as scum. I still think he's more likely town than anyone who isn't webadict, and I'm willing to wager all the marbles that he and webadict are not on a scumteam together.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 14, 2017, 02:04:59 pm
I'll vote no lynch if somebody could give me a better lynch candidate.
Just saying, this is our last chance for a lynch today:
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The voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
Post by: hops on March 14, 2017, 02:21:15 pm
Post by: webadict on March 14, 2017, 04:38:47 pm
Even then, there's nobody who I feel particularly needs any lynching right now.Does that mean you're not suspicious of anyone?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 14, 2017, 05:21:58 pm
For the record, not a vote.
@Turuin's question on Elo:It's a chess rating thing.
Post by: webadict on March 14, 2017, 05:43:37 pm
@Turuin's question on Elo:It's a chess rating thing.Oh yeah, I forgot to answer. Elo isn't just a chess rating. It's a system used to measure skill, named after some guy named Elo who came up with the system.
Also, I don't usually quote you, Tiruin, because you have long posts and I'm almost always on my phone posting. No one wants to read that.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 14, 2017, 05:48:08 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 14, 2017, 06:29:59 pm
The only paragraph under the quote was the one. Everything else was my own monologue-narration. :P
Basically: Why did you say Yes. You're pretty much like, but different from, TDS. Brevity. Conciseness?
There's a lot being unsaid that I feel is being noted for the future.
Briefly, there's a lot of inconsistency in his behavour from what I see. His initial scum read on Webadict based off not liking webadict's play, then that seemed to get sort of resolved between them to the point that he was briefly neutral on Webadict. Then he goes right back on the wubba-lubba-dub-dub train over the exact same issue. And all of this strongly clashes with his behaviour to TBF, who he said he didn't want lynched precisely because his behaviour was annoying (and after it was mentioned that B12 doesn't typically use jesters and they don't typically end the game he did nothing to indicate a change in that stance).
His ignorance of how TDS's power works in spite of having already been through this once for TBF's turn on the chopping block also make me think he's not particularly concerned with the day phase of the game, which typically means scum.
Cinder
Even then, there's nobody who I feel particularly needs any lynching right now.What's your plan to find scum if you're ok with losing the day phase to a no lynch?
Post by: webadict on March 14, 2017, 07:08:42 pm
<snip>To be fair, I could have a role with elements I'm hiding, as well as made my roleclaim in a manner where being called out won't effect me. It IS a BYOR, so it's best to not assume that.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 14, 2017, 08:45:21 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2017, 11:21:30 pm
TiruinThere's consistency however, when you see his reaction for TDS Voting him, which would hardly stand as ignorance although it is questionable why this matter wasn't taken into account--meaning it really seems less like scum when you see that kind of reaction (because...I don't see how it 'typically means scum' when "concerned with day phase" is more, and better contextualized into "I got hammered and my vote doesn't mean anything" which has been his consistent behavior lately even before or towards TBF's time)The only paragraph under the quote was the one. Everything else was my own monologue-narration. :P
Basically: Why did you say Yes. You're pretty much like, but different from, TDS. Brevity. Conciseness?
There's a lot being unsaid that I feel is being noted for the future.
Briefly, there's a lot of inconsistency in his behavour from what I see. His initial scum read on Webadict based off not liking webadict's play, then that seemed to get sort of resolved between them to the point that he was briefly neutral on Webadict. Then he goes right back on the wubba-lubba-dub-dub train over the exact same issue. And all of this strongly clashes with his behaviour to TBF, who he said he didn't want lynched precisely because his behaviour was annoying (and after it was mentioned that B12 doesn't typically use jesters and they don't typically end the game he did nothing to indicate a change in that stance).
His ignorance of how TDS's power works in spite of having already been through this once for TBF's turn on the chopping block also make me think he's not particularly concerned with the day phase of the game, which typically means scum.
...
I'm really curious how you think 'not particularly concerned' typically means scum, really.
1. Would you have given this kind of thinking later on? Because it only came out when pressed as it seems. And I don't like 'seems'.
2. His behavior to TBF and webadict (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7383307#msg7383307) has been consistent. He has been against webadict for a point seemingly before what you said there.
I don't see this inconsistency you're seeing.
Post by: hops on March 15, 2017, 03:45:06 am
Yeah. The only people who act scummy right now are kind of confirmed town in my eyes for other reasons, so it's somewhat confusing.Even then, there's nobody who I feel particularly needs any lynching right now.Does that mean you're not suspicious of anyone?
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2017, 03:48:23 am
Who are. . .?Yeah. The only people who act scummy right now are kind of confirmed town in my eyes for other reasons, so it's somewhat confusing.Even then, there's nobody who I feel particularly needs any lynching right now.Does that mean you're not suspicious of anyone?
Also you do have a Y/N to still add in. :P
Post by: webadict on March 15, 2017, 04:16:56 am
And who is that?Yeah. The only people who act scummy right now are kind of confirmed town in my eyes for other reasons, so it's somewhat confusing.Even then, there's nobody who I feel particularly needs any lynching right now.Does that mean you're not suspicious of anyone?
Post by: webadict on March 15, 2017, 06:45:48 am
Actually, be a lot more descriptive when you answer the next post. Who, why, how, etc.Yeah. The only people who act scummy right now are kind of confirmed town in my eyes for other reasons, so it's somewhat confusing.Even then, there's nobody who I feel particularly needs any lynching right now.Does that mean you're not suspicious of anyone?
For now, though, No.
Post by: hops on March 15, 2017, 08:46:55 am
Post by: webadict on March 15, 2017, 09:00:52 am
I'm pretty new at this, I can't really explain my gut feelings without risking spewing paragraphs upon paragraphs of baseless conjectures that will help nobody. I'm learning from other people, right now.Then do that. Spew paragraphs. I won't mind.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2017, 12:43:30 pm
Yup yup yup, that would have been acknowledged in the long version. But this is the short version, it's just for making my general thoughts clear, and the reasons why I'm leaning town on you.<snip>To be fair, I could have a role with elements I'm hiding, as well as made my roleclaim in a manner where being called out won't effect me. It IS a BYOR, so it's best to not assume that.
I'm pretty new at this, I can't really explain my gut feelings without risking spewing paragraphs upon paragraphs of baseless conjectures that will help nobody. I'm learning from other people, right now.Implying I didn't just do the same thing
Go ahead and write paragraphs. If you're really concerned about the length, just spoiler it in separate spoilers for each person.
Post by: webadict on March 15, 2017, 05:29:23 pm
As an addendum to this No, I am just going to sayActually, be a lot more descriptive when you answer the next post. Who, why, how, etc.Yeah. The only people who act scummy right now are kind of confirmed town in my eyes for other reasons, so it's somewhat confusing.Even then, there's nobody who I feel particularly needs any lynching right now.Does that mean you're not suspicious of anyone?
For now, though, No.
If you ever fucking hold the Town hostage again, I will lynch you.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 15, 2017, 05:34:48 pm
This is the first time I've laughed this game.As an addendum to this No, I am just going to sayActually, be a lot more descriptive when you answer the next post. Who, why, how, etc.Yeah. The only people who act scummy right now are kind of confirmed town in my eyes for other reasons, so it's somewhat confusing.Even then, there's nobody who I feel particularly needs any lynching right now.Does that mean you're not suspicious of anyone?
For now, though, No.
If you ever fucking hold the Town hostage again, I will lynch you.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 15, 2017, 06:04:47 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 15, 2017, 06:17:45 pm
I was sinply mad enough to ignore TBF at that point. He's still unchanged.And you ignored the GM/moderator why?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 15, 2017, 06:39:29 pm
Going to tell me what you're talking about?I was sinply mad enough to ignore TBF at that point. He's still unchanged.And you ignored the GM/moderator why?
Post by: flame99 on March 15, 2017, 07:47:23 pm
[ALL HAIL THE PYRAMIDS]...Sorry, what? How is he, or much of anyone else, holding the town hostage?
As an addendum to this No, I am just going to say
If you ever fucking hold the Town hostage again, I will lynch you.
Post by: webadict on March 15, 2017, 07:58:37 pm
I mean honestly, that read something like the average youtube comment threat. I understand it's serious, but still.Good, then you're playing correctly.
Look, when you join in the game, there's a certain expectation of you. You are expected to act in the role you're given. He held the Town hostage by threatening to remove players and by also ragequitting. This is generally consider a dick move, and goes against the spirit of the game (And possibly the rules.)[ALL HAIL THE PYRAMIDS]...Sorry, what? How is he, or much of anyone else, holding the town hostage?
As an addendum to this No, I am just going to say
If you ever fucking hold the Town hostage again, I will lynch you.
I'm trying, in my dwindling pool of brain cells, to not yell at everyone.
Uh, no clue, honestly.Going to tell me what you're talking about?I was sinply mad enough to ignore TBF at that point. He's still unchanged.And you ignored the GM/moderator why?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 15, 2017, 08:00:44 pm
That doesn't explain why you have no idea how the mechanics work, if you were simply ignoring me.Going to tell me what you're talking about?I was sinply mad enough to ignore TBF at that point. He's still unchanged.And you ignored the GM/moderator why?
Post by: flame99 on March 15, 2017, 08:07:23 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 15, 2017, 08:12:02 pm
Great. Loving the condescension. I definitely have no idea why anyone might want to ragequit. But, more pertinently: When exactly did Cinder do that?When did Cinder do what? If you mean wuba's quote that was in general.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2017, 09:06:04 pm
FallacyOfUrist can you make that happen?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2017, 09:38:53 pm
Lynch BlackHeartKabal (3): 4maskwolf, TheDarkStar, Deus Asmoth
Don't Lynch BlackHeartKabal (3): Tiruin, BlackHeartKabal, webadict
Day ends in about 24 hours
TheBiggerFish, flame99, Cinder: Which option would your prefer? Why aren't you voting for it?
flame99: I'm not impressed with the way you returned to the game after disappearing for over a week and haven't said a word about the state of the game, your thoughts, or anything else. You just got pissy at webadict's attitude (understandable), asked one question that needed to be asked but was rather irrelevant to the flow of the game, and completely misinterpreted who webadict was talking to. Do you have any thoughts on the game? Thoughts on the current lynch?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 15, 2017, 10:02:44 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 15, 2017, 10:13:33 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 15, 2017, 10:24:01 pm
I'm not sure whether it's better to lynch or to not. This is why I am not voting.
That's... not really an option. The vote is currently a tie and most people have voted already. If you don't vote, it's basically the same as deciding not to lynch.
What makes you unsure about if it's a good idea to lynch?
Post by: flame99 on March 15, 2017, 11:08:34 pm
As for other suspicions...TBF might be Mafia/third party, seeing as I think he's trying to confuse the flow of conversation? Or he might not be reading the thread all that closely. Either's possible.
Tiruin has said so little that I actually understand that I really don't know one way or the other about her
Most of what Cinder has said has again, come off as pretty neutral to me, with a slight leaning towards scum.
You all know what I think about Webaddict.
4Mask, I haven't got much hard evidence but something of a gut feeling you're town.
Anyone not mentioned has no read from me, and you're not remarkably neutral in my mind either.
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2017, 11:20:39 pm
I'm pretty new at this, I can't really explain my gut feelings without risking spewing paragraphs upon paragraphs of baseless conjectures that will help nobody. I'm learning from other people, right now.I just did that :P It's moreso on how appealing and how credible a case is--even if I can't really be sure the person is scum or not, I can find validity in how things are presented in contrast.
I'm trying, in my dwindling pool of brain cells, to not yell at everyone.Love your brain cells dude :3 People have a very varying way to think about things and unboxing this possibility to understand others helps quite a lot :D
I'm not sure whether it's better to lynch or to not. This is why I am not voting.Thoouuuuuuughts.
Why! :O
Great. Loving the condescension. I definitely have no idea why anyone might want to ragequit. But, more pertinently: When exactly did Cinder do that?Nobody was condescending? (Wubs usually comments on his brain cells in a sarcastic humor sort of way, not 'you're dumb and why can't you get this', although it can come across like that o_O)
TBH, I only 'got' the mechanics after a re-read. :v I thought it was a Kingmaker setup and missed entirely the 'two phases' thing.That doesn't explain why you have no idea how the mechanics work, if you were simply ignoring me.Going to tell me what you're talking about?I was sinply mad enough to ignore TBF at that point. He's still unchanged.And you ignored the GM/moderator why?
So that eased my insights towards TDS as he's just the lynch picker.
But seriously he could do a lot more alongside acknowledging other people <_<
Voting no lynch and hadn't previously because I missed that BHK was up for lynching, and again, because I've been busy.No Lynch votes are bolded in red :) Just like any vote.
...I made that error before and thought it was okay until people nicely reminded me. ._.;
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 15, 2017, 11:41:03 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2017, 11:49:22 pm
@Tiruin: BHK claimed possible vig. Is it better to let that slip or to lynch a potential Mafia wildcard?He claimed a RNG something. :v
And like mentioned before in the exact post prior--I don't really mind that, what I mind is the content the case is made out of, and there is a lacking attention to how it is made that makes me go AGAINST IT because it feels like a badly done case, with people mentioning their follow-ups only later when asked, and it's like a double-trap scenario; inactivity breeds activity, but this activity also has direction and intent. If there's a lack of traction for a game, people have to act--who acts also matters, because we're still at a divide of what I presume are 7/2.
You tell me how that's a potential Mafia wildcard given my notes on him, because I don't particularly see a "wildcard" acting as the presumed allegations against him.
Post by: flame99 on March 16, 2017, 12:03:02 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2017, 12:05:09 am
Fine, then. No lynch.Also I forgot to mention--we can only vote YES or NO, but also saying No lynch gives our ideas.
That'll probably be counted as a No anyway as I don't think FoU is SEMANTICS heavy. :P
[Note]
Post by: flame99 on March 16, 2017, 12:05:41 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2017, 12:10:14 am
Though that said, TDS: Is there more to your questions than asking people's vote? :-\ Understanding the mechanics more, you're a vote picker than the King (haha thanks self for mistaking own terms early on <_>).
What is your lookout on the game [other than all the questions you missed from me :V]
Post by: webadict on March 16, 2017, 02:07:49 am
Great. Loving the condescension. I definitely have no idea why anyone might want to ragequit. But, more pertinently: When exactly did Cinder do that?Ah, no, BHK held Town hostage. That's why it was an addendum to the No vote. Please, keep up. Cinder did not, though she is mysteriously silent and lacking clear reasoning.
Just like you. Ooooooh spooky.
I wasn't being condescending, but if you want, you can pretend they all are, since this is the Internet and it doesn't carry tones well. If you take everything as an attack, you're gonna be playing on defense the whole game. And that's scummy.
My goal is to make you understand my point and my reasoning, my struggles, and my intentions. I am trying to convey frustration, because it appears you and BHK are continuously believing I'm out to get you. Perhaps BHK understands it a little better now, since we got more game related information from him, but I'm getting real tired of the argue-pedantically-with-Wubs game over perceived slights. If I wanted to make fun of or criticize you, there are much simpler and easier ways. And it wouldn't be as frustrating if I didn't have to explain it repeatedly.
Is this making sense? Because I'm asking for real.
Post by: flame99 on March 16, 2017, 03:04:04 am
Post by: flame99 on March 16, 2017, 03:05:08 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2017, 03:33:26 am
no
There, hammer's in, nobody's lynched, it's night, everybody shush. Given the trend of the last few days I doubt anything truly interesting is going to happen today, just more bickering, and there's no real reason to lynch BHK other than attitude anyways, no reason to risk him being town over that in a nine-player, power-heavy game.
Hopefully the night actions will shed some light on the situation and we can all play mafia instead of bickering. Seriously.
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2017, 03:36:16 am
Oh for fuck's sakes.Uhh ._.
no
There, hammer's in, nobody's lynched, it's night, everybody shush. Given the trend of the last few days I doubt anything truly interesting is going to happen today, just more bickering, and there's no real reason to lynch BHK other than attitude anyways, no reason to risk him being town over that in a nine-player, power-heavy game.
Hopefully the night actions will shed some light on the situation and we can all play mafia instead of bickering. Seriously.
Don't we return to phase 1 where TDS makes the choice again?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2017, 03:38:16 am
Oh for fuck's sakes.Uhh ._.
no
There, hammer's in, nobody's lynched, it's night, everybody shush. Given the trend of the last few days I doubt anything truly interesting is going to happen today, just more bickering, and there's no real reason to lynch BHK other than attitude anyways, no reason to risk him being town over that in a nine-player, power-heavy game.
Hopefully the night actions will shed some light on the situation and we can all play mafia instead of bickering. Seriously.
Don't we return to phase 1 where TDS makes the choice again?
Bolded the relevant section.Quote from: Trial SystemThe voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
Post by: hops on March 16, 2017, 05:29:32 am
Post by: webadict on March 16, 2017, 07:54:00 am
Yeah, I support this decision, even if it might sound scummy for me to say so. I think that the risk of hitting town outweigh the pros of hitting scum right now when we have so little information and any attempt to find out more at this stage would likely just producing more false scumtells.You never listed who was scummy or town.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 16, 2017, 09:09:37 am
Lynch(2): [TheDarkStar, Deus Asmoth]
Don't Lynch(5): [Tiruin, BlackHeartKabal, webadict, flame99, 4maskwolf]
Not Voting(as far as I can tell): TheBiggerFish, Cinder
"To think I thought somebody would actually die today. Bah. It's getting obvious to me now that you all are bloody pacifists at heart. Bah! Well, it's nighttime. Get to it!"
The warehouse melts into nothingness. The audience vanish into a portal, moments later, the sound of astonishment is heard, before it closes. The world stabilizes into a forest filled with many cabins. It was dark, but there were no grues about, despite the fact that it would be a perfect natural habitat.
It is night. Night will end 9:00 A.M. Central/Forum time on Tuesday, or when I receive and resolve all night actions.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 21, 2017, 09:18:10 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 21, 2017, 11:24:11 am
The corpse of TheBiggerFish lies in front of you all.
Analyzing:
TheBiggerFish was Enthusiastic Inning, Town.
Enthusiastic Inning(town)
(Auto): Enthusiasm: Nothing can stop you from posting in the thread!
(1-Shot, Day, Unusable): In Again!: After you die, this ability loses the Unusable tag. Using this ability lets you join the game again with a new role submission. Note that your alignment will be randomly determined if you do this(same odds as You Go In Too!). You cannot use this ability if you have deadchat access(which is optional in your case).
(1-Shot, Night): You Go In Too!: Choose a non-player and compose a 250-char or shorter message. I will offer the chosen non-player a spot in the game with a PM, and include your message in the PM. If they accept, they will submit a role name and join the game with that role at the start of the following day. Their alignment will be randomly determined: They will have a 2/9 chance of being mafia, and a 7/9 chance of being town.
(Night): Annoy [target]: You annoy your target so much that their anger makes them target you.
"Well, that was interesting. Nowhere, any updates on the lynching system?"
"Well... whoever did this is better than I thought. I couldn't undo this."
"... well, at least somebody died."
Day 2 has begun. It will end some time after TheDarkStar votes. The weird voting system is still on.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 21, 2017, 11:26:40 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 21, 2017, 11:54:12 am
One: BHK was telling the truth about their ability from yesterday.
Two: Said ability's inspection mode cannot be used to determine if either BHK or his target is scum, as it will not reveal mafiakill abilities.
Three: My ability last night failed, not from a roleblock but because it, too, is probability-based.
I'd post more but I gotta head off to work.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 21, 2017, 11:54:45 am
TBF: Who did you annoy, if anyone?
Post by: webadict on March 21, 2017, 12:15:39 pm
Sucks it, scum.
Post by: webadict on March 21, 2017, 12:17:49 pm
And here I was thinking I'd have to hide that.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 21, 2017, 02:34:54 pm
Anyway, nothing happened to me last night.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 21, 2017, 02:40:46 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 21, 2017, 02:46:05 pm
@4mask:I was roleblocked, and I only got that ability the previous night.
NOTHING CAN STOP ME BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 21, 2017, 02:47:42 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 21, 2017, 02:49:26 pm
Post by: webadict on March 21, 2017, 03:12:24 pm
Post by: hops on March 21, 2017, 04:44:11 pm
....Hm. I have my suspicions as to who roleblocked me, too.Mind sharing your theory?
Post by: hops on March 21, 2017, 04:44:47 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 21, 2017, 04:46:31 pm
Did my gift give you that ability? I have limited knowledge what my gifts actually do...Yes, as far as I know.
@Cinder:I presume they were either scum or acting on the suspicion that I was scum.
Tiruin:Are you yourself?
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2017, 05:42:08 pm
Tiruin:Are you yourself?
PFP
Technically -_- I had hoped the ability I used would help me.
My role sucks. I:
That ability sucks. :I
And/or I just picked very badly from a list of 40+ choices I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S CANADA.
/me fizzles like a fishie.
Mind actually being vocal and useful for once too, and not ignoring everyone LIKE YOU DID DAY ONE AND NOT TALKING ABOUT WEBADICT WHILE TUNNELING YOUR DAY AWAY.....Hm. I have my suspicions as to who roleblocked me, too.Mind sharing your theory?
Seriously your brevity is really annoying. <_<
But heeey you roleflip'd town and now are confirmed town? :V
FoU: Confirm; are there any roleflip hilarity in your 'basic' themed game?
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(1-Shot, Night): You Go In Too!: Choose a non-player and compose a 250-char or shorter message. I will offer the chosen non-player a spot in the game with a PM, and include your message in the PM. If they accept, they will submit a role name and join the game with that role at the start of the following day. Their alignment will be randomly determined: They will have a 2/9 chance of being mafia, and a 7/9 chance of being town.LOOK AT THIS RUBBISH.
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(1-Shot, Day, Unusable): In Again!: After you die, this ability loses the Unusable tag. Using this ability lets you join the game again with a new role submission. Note that your alignment will be randomly determined if you do this(same odds as You Go In Too!). You cannot use this ability if you have deadchat access(which is optional in your case).LOOK AT THIS MORE RUBBISH.
Now you're still posting BUT DEAD.
Now you can post WHATEVER AND BE ANNOYING but still choose when TO DO THIS RUBBISH.
Then you can KEEP POSTING NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO AND STILL BE DEAD (And not actually alignmently useful)
And I'm just complaining because your playstyle of brevity was annoying and there was no mention on why you were sporadically posting but I could only infer from threads NOT MAFIA that you did so because of schoolwork or stuff but NEVER BOTHERED TO MENTION IT HERE AND THAT'S WHAT ANNOYS ME.
And no, I'm not a target of him 'annoying' or whatever as I self-targeted last night. :P My annoyed tone is sincere. :I
Because TBF has an AWESOME ROLE and can even do it as a LYLO or whatever breaker--he can be DAMN DEAD until the days later and then rejoin with a higher chance of being Town/Scum. :V
I mean COME ON, is this BASIC?!
Back to seriousness:
I like how TBF isn't confirmed anyway thanks to his role but wow. That's some awesomely made role.
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You cannot use this ability if you have deadchat access(which is optional in your case).TBF: Explain
Also you can't do anything BUT your Auto and day-shot power right? ...While dead?
Can people still ability-you? :O
Looks like Tiruin got my gift juuuust fine.Your grammar sucks :I
Sucks it, scum.
/me sucks a lemon
Also did your gift do something else because...I've no idea if what happened to me is because of that, or because of my ability.
Thanks
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2017, 06:01:53 pm
Looks like Tiruin got my gift juuuust fine.Why'd you pick me over all the other dudes anyway? :O
Sucks it, scum.
Post by: webadict on March 21, 2017, 06:13:38 pm
PFPI had already said I was gonna choose you. The actual lie was that I never let anyone know I could give away TWO gifts, so that if one of you died, I could pretend I outsmarted scum.Looks like Tiruin got my gift juuuust fine.Why'd you pick me over all the other dudes anyway? :O
Sucks it, scum.
Hence my initial post. I hadn't actually read the roleflip until after I posted.
So, who's next on my gift-givingness.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 21, 2017, 06:25:55 pm
By the way, I'm taking suggestions for whatever my next role will be. Not gonna use that power just yet.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 21, 2017, 07:56:17 pm
FoU: Confirm; are there any roleflip hilarity in your 'basic' themed game?The most role flip hilarity I'd be willing to do in a Basic FBYOR would be omitting things from the role flip, or redacting them. Something like that.
Though possibly making fake flip parts while including some sort of "this may be fake" warning might be a possibility, if less of one.
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2017, 10:48:58 pm
...Turns out those suspicions were unfounded. Alas."Fallacy's BYORole that forces me to post in details longer than two paragraphs" :P
By the way, I'm taking suggestions for whatever my next role will be. Not gonna use that power just yet.
That aside, how's about a role that blatantly forces a power, like an investigate or whatever. :O Be someone you'd BEST think would help any alignment you'd be on in the future when you decide to reincarnate.
Or at least a role that disables any shakeragian stuff. :I
I mean you could even shove your avatar to FoU, that's what I did and I got a 'me in his context of whichever', so I'm Canada. :V
Did my gift give you that ability? I have limited knowledge what my gifts actually do...What did you know about your gift o_o
And I've an ability that does...well quite much, but it's pretty fragile. -_-
Oh, and yes, I got your other gift, wuba....So you know you're roleblocked.
@4mask:I was roleblocked, and I only got that ability the previous night.
NOTHING CAN STOP ME BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And then you ded.
...Uh huh. :V
Cinder/Flame/BHK/DeusAsmoth/TDS: Tots! :O Thoughts? :D
We're basically Day 1 but with whatever-we-did-last-night info.
Post by: hops on March 22, 2017, 02:55:13 am
Why would scum roleblock you AND kill you? It has been stated that scum has their scumchat, so they would be coordinated.Did my gift give you that ability? I have limited knowledge what my gifts actually do...Yes, as far as I know.
@Cinder:I presume they were either scum or acting on the suspicion that I was scum.
Tiruin:Are you yourself?
So now we know that there is a town with a roleblock ability. Unless scum is doing this to mislead us, of course.
Post by: hops on March 22, 2017, 02:56:36 am
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2017, 05:51:18 am
Post by: flame99 on March 22, 2017, 06:03:45 am
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2017, 06:08:27 am
It could also pretty easily have been an independent and a scum who happened to choose the same target. Not likely, but possible. Or, I don't know, maybe a chain roleblock that would've hit a doctor equivalent protecting them?No not likely. His ability could bring someone into the game. He crumbed it hard, but scum would have no way of knowing that it wasn't necessarily Town increase. Which is why he didn't Annoy someone last night. He tried to invite doll.
So it can be assumed the block was scum.
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2017, 06:38:48 am
Also, we still don't know how scum operste, whether they have a free night-kill or they can only use their role. If that is the case, one of the killers in our game would need to be scum.A free night kill is akin to a vigilante operating; as far as I know in FoU's games--Mafia abilities that do kill can either be "Kill" (ie that vig stuff I said) or "Mafiakill" in which it takes the factional nightkill and modifies it. :O
Y'know given his auto, I don't think his talking works ANY OTHER WAY than posting :P Yes this means ANYTHING ELSE.It could also pretty easily have been an independent and a scum who happened to choose the same target. Not likely, but possible. Or, I don't know, maybe a chain roleblock that would've hit a doctor equivalent protecting them?No not likely. His ability could bring someone into the game. He crumbed it hard, but scum would have no way of knowing that it wasn't necessarily Town increase. Which is why he didn't Annoy someone last night. He tried to invite doll.
So it can be assumed the block was scum.
Cheats :I
Elsewise, I'm grumbling at TBF for his lack of anything in-game. :I
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(Auto): Enthusiasm: Nothing can stop you from posting in the thread!
Also isn't doll someone who doesn't want to?
I mean I could request you invite FoU :P (Or Toaster or any of the veterans :3)
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2017, 07:14:09 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2017, 07:16:08 am
Doll was the one who accepted in the other thread. And even if he didn't, it is likely TBF asked someone last nightOr maybe he annoyed someone :O
I notice he didn't reply [AGAIN] when someone asked.
...I'm biased okay, hence my toen. :I
Oh, before I forget:
TBF: Who did you annoy, if anyone?
Oh, and yes, I got your other gift, wuba.Or he chose not to answer :V
@4mask:I was roleblocked, and I only got that ability the previous night.
NOTHING CAN STOP ME BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Either way, I'ma boop people if they want to join if it's okay.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 22, 2017, 07:23:57 am
@4mask:I was roleblocked, and I only got that ability the previous night.
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2017, 07:34:53 am
@Tiruin: Asked and answered.Oh.@4mask:I was roleblocked, and I only got that ability the previous night.
...
WHY do my abilities all be bleh :I
/me fumbles and grumbles.
That's great though! :D
But yeah. I still WANT TO HEAR YOUR IDEAS ON YOUR TUNNELING ON WEBADICT SINCE NOTHING CAN STOP YOU NOW
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2017, 08:01:45 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2017, 08:09:59 am
Tiruin, don't worry. We can always fix that later. But which of these volunteers do you think wants a gift?I am quite unsure.
I'd be silly and boop TDS so that you can scumcheck :P But yeah.
Still waiting on input from >50% of the people here. TDS. DA. Those peeps. :V
Post by: flame99 on March 22, 2017, 10:09:24 am
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2017, 10:15:46 am
Hey wubs, you mentioned something about being able to do something to scum who gets a gift, right? Does that only work on scum, making it double as an indirect sherrif, or is there a potential for friendly fire?None of my abilities are bad, but it's better if I give them to Town. The quasi inspection is sorta bad for me.
Any more information costs extra. Tiruin and TBF may know a little more details, if they're willing to share, but they may charge a lot more than i do.
Post by: hops on March 22, 2017, 01:51:38 pm
Yo, Cinders, it is entirely possible that the kill could roleblock at the same time. Also, you never gave me a list, so I never gave you an item. Trades are trades. Are you afraid of an inspection?I am the inspection.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 22, 2017, 01:58:53 pm
Yo, Cinders, it is entirely possible that the kill could roleblock at the same time. Also, you never gave me a list, so I never gave you an item. Trades are trades. Are you afraid of an inspection?I am the inspection.
...? Are you claiming cop?
webadict: I'd be fine with receiving a gift.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2017, 02:03:22 pm
Tiruin: What is it with you and yelling at TBF, someone who's confirmed to be town? Yes, we all know TBF is relatively low content, but what do you hope to accomplish by constantly pointing this out?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 22, 2017, 02:21:25 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 22, 2017, 02:21:52 pm
Tiruin: Your play has seemed really different this game. You're much more aggressive and ready to push lynches on people than usual. Why?
And I recognize that I am repeating what 4mask said, but I'm also reiterating concerns I brought up Day 1.
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2017, 02:25:20 pm
Post by: flame99 on March 22, 2017, 02:29:48 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 22, 2017, 02:37:01 pm
Shakeragian shenaniganry with my new rolename...
Gonna just work that out real quick, although I'm wondering whether it would be tilting at windmills to attempt to shoehorn yet more powers in. Opinions?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2017, 02:37:14 pm
Nah, I ain't voting for Tiruin ever. That would be silly and short sighted.Well unlike you, the rest of us don't have your inspection results. We don't know what you know (if anything), we have only your word for both your inspection results and your own alignment, so in the end we're forced to draw our own conclusions. Tiruin's strangeness is the first thing I've noticed today, so I'm going to pursue that, regardless of whether it ends in a lynch or not.
Everyone: At this point in time, who would you most like to lynch. Why aren't you voting them? If you don't have anyone you want to lynch, why do you not?
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2017, 02:41:57 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 22, 2017, 03:05:14 pm
Everyone: At this point in time, who would you most like to lynch. Why aren't you voting them? If you don't have anyone you want to lynch, why do you not?
I've suggestionvoted because if I actually voted everyone would suddenly be very angry.
That said, I am suspicious of Tiruin. webadict's most recent post is interesting, too; it honestly seems like there could be a Tiruin/webadict scumteam because webadict keeps defending her.
PPE: I've read through the thread and I'm even more suspicious of Tiruin and webadict. Why? First, there's their voting history. Tiruin and webadict have voted the same way every time so far. Most notably, Tiruin and webadict wanted to get TBF lynched Day 1 but then immediately voted against lynching him. Later, when BHK was up, webadict began by voting Yes but changed to no after several people voted yes and Tiruin voted no. They've put almost no pressure against each other so far and they've even defended each other a bit today.
Tiruin is behaving fairly strangely right now, though, and webadict has some role stuff that makes him more likely to be town-aligned, so I am more suspicious of Tiruin. However, I don't especially trust either of you right now.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 22, 2017, 03:14:04 pm
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2017, 04:28:42 pm
Webadict:Why are you defending Tiruin?Because I think she's Town. Duh.
If I didn't, I wouldn't test to see how powerful the gifts were on you two.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 22, 2017, 07:59:07 pm
4mask: Unless I'm missing something TBF isn't confirmed town. His reroll has a 2/9 chance of being scum according to the roll flip.
webadict: I can understand you sayinglynching Tiruin being silly, but why short sighted?
Tiruin
Tiruin2. His behavior to TBF and webadict (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7383307#msg7383307) has been consistent. He has been against webadict for a point seemingly before what you said there.His behaviour to TBF isn't consistent with his behaviour with webadict, and vice versa. His behaviour with both of them also isn't consistent with his stated reasoning for that behaviour.
I don't see this inconsistency you're seeing.
He wanted TBF not to be lynched based off thinking he was a jester, owing to thinking he was annoying, and didn't change this after talking about the liklihood of jesters in B12 meta. He did want Webadict lynched based off thinking his annoying behaviour was scummy, with no real distinction given for reasoning. So either he's not being consistent with his cases or he just wanted Webadict lynched and not TBF for another reason than those he's given.
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2017, 08:40:18 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 22, 2017, 08:45:54 pm
I'd honestly be fine with BHK being actually lynched today.Id honestly be fine with winning a particularly high stakes game of dice with you. Want to claim one of your abilities so that I don't have to check for myself?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 22, 2017, 09:13:38 pm
Webadict:Why are you defending Tiruin?Because I think she's Town. Duh.
If I didn't, I wouldn't test to see how powerful the gifts were on you two.
Why do you think Tiruin is town? You say you can determine alignment by giving gifts to people, but why would you think Tiruin was town before that?
Because you're thinking she's suspicious based off of something stupid.
Why is it stupid?
(I'd also like to see some reads from you)
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2017, 09:52:43 pm
webadict:Nah. I don't feel like giving you reads. You took away the only reason to play the day game. So, since I don't have to vote, what do I need to do? Listen to you, Mr. Godking?Webadict:Why are you defending Tiruin?Because I think she's Town. Duh.
If I didn't, I wouldn't test to see how powerful the gifts were on you two.
Why do you think Tiruin is town? You say you can determine alignment by giving gifts to people, but why would you think Tiruin was town before that?Because you're thinking she's suspicious based off of something stupid.
Why is it stupid?
(I'd also like to see some reads from you)
I don't give away information for free. But you know who can pretty much confirm my ability is extremely likely to be Town? TBF. My ability makes almost no sense as scum, and maybe a little sense as some sort of benevolent third party, but makes the most sense from a town perspective.
Now, granted, that's very WIFOMy, it's also true.
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2017, 10:49:52 pm
Tiruin: Your play has seemed really different this game. You're much more aggressive and ready to push lynches on people than usual. Why?FREEDOM, FREEDOM MY FRIEND. FREEDOM FROM THE BOURGEOIS!
Guess what a person who did nothing important than evolve last night would do--reaction tells are one option in my toolset. AND I GOT IT GIVEN YOUR ATTITUDE LATELY :I
(All my formatting does is capitalize or use any of the bold, italic, or underline set--all my tone is the same despite the size and appearance of my lettering)
AND IF I HAD A VOTE I'D DO IT TO
SERIOUSLY.
What has been with your scumhunting at all lately? You've had a case on BHK-it's dissapated to the mist.
And NO MENTION AT ALL TO ANYTHING OTHERWISE.
webadict: I'd love a gift.HE HAS LITTLE SUBSTANCE, AND YOU FELL FOR MY CONFIRMED TOWN NOTICE, LIKE THE USUAL "15 minutes away for lunch" NOTICE.
Tiruin: What is it with you and yelling at TBF, someone who's confirmed to be town? Yes, we all know TBF is relatively low content, but what do you hope to accomplish by constantly pointing this out?
COME ON.
YOU TOO.
4mask!
> No substance of this whole D1 tunneling; basically 'not useful as "confirmed anything"' by playstyle.
> You're defending him by assuming my tone :V when someone looking at context can realize that there are loopholes present.
++ Nobody TOOK THOSE LOOPHOLES AND INSTEAD ASSUMED. :I
I'd honestly be fine with BHK being actually lynched today. Failing that, Tiruin does seem a bit off to me, since a lot of her behaviour is fairly off her normal style.Yeah sure, and THE REST OF YOU HAVE RELATIVELY LOW CONTENT QUALITY IN YOUR POSTS.
Maybe it's just because SOMEBODY IS TRYING AND IS OBVIOUS THAT WAY.
And in all seriousness, even if I'm scum, I'd be doing the darn same thing I've been doing all this game. >_>
"THis seems off to me D:"
> NO FOLLOW UP FROM ANYONE entirely.
And y'all just leave your posts like that.
ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE TALKED LIKE SUCH.
Oh this person seems off. I'ma leave my vote on them.
WHen the actual content quality is in you following it up, too.
COME ON, PEOPLE. If there's ANY tone you've to assume in my words--DO IT WHEN I REMARK ON YOUR ATTITUDE. (In this sentence only)
Huh. Well, I don't have anything useful to report from last night. I do have a reply to Tiruin, but that'll have to wait till I get home.Reply more then :I
That will ease my nerves and dissuade people from toning in too little into what I've to say.
Because it's pretty much stale currently. Stale both in quality and the content people are putting into their posts. Stale like crackers in barrels used to ship to my PEOPLE back when Canada was at war. Stale like those bugs in those crackers that we had to clean out by the piers because they were stale and had nothing else but staleness, and edibility.
I can confirm a few things:One: How
One: BHK was telling the truth about their ability from yesterday.
Two: Said ability's inspection mode cannot be used to determine if either BHK or his target is scum, as it will not reveal mafiakill abilities.
Three: My ability last night failed, not from a roleblock but because it, too, is probability-based.
I'd post more but I gotta head off to work.
Two: Assuming you targeted BHK; why?
Three: Information, dude. If you're going to make sense with what you do, you've to detail it because there's a loophole here.
What alongside your ability makes it probability based? It's less of a 'fishing' point since there's no exact to work on inasmuch as the same way I noticed BHK back then when he claimed.
I'd also like to ask you about this; (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7389980;topicseen#msg7389980) since you deem it valuable to talk about TBF in other threads--tell exactly what you'd like about him and what you inferred :v
And for the last since my usual only times now to Bay12 are at school, public PC, lunch break, 50minutes.
I'll be back...(not as the Terminator, that would just be begging to become scum).Cosplaying as Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't make you scum.
It's like saying, doing "(https://discordapp.com/assets/2af915882260fdb89538d1610e1d9baa.svg)" while falling into lava isn't a symbolic gesture and goes against everything you were while you tried to kill people. It's not the whole story; many things matter.
PFP because wow y'all are >_>'y
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2017, 11:14:35 pm
> Ready to push lynchesTiruin: Your play has seemed really different this game. You're much more aggressive and ready to push lynches on people than usual. Why?
And I recognize that I am repeating what 4mask said, but I'm also reiterating concerns I brought up Day 1.
> Compare to Day one where she went NO first before anyone else.
Yeah come on TDS. I'm suspecting you're buddying up with 4mask in a really strange way given this, but 'reiterating concerns' usually means 'trying to understand others'.
You're just using your position to pressure people. And ignore others' pertinent posts towards your own behavior.
And that's as far as you've shown thus far.
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2017, 11:16:32 pm
Hm. I have an idea."The Role that Equalizes the Game", how's about? :P
Shakeragian shenaniganry with my new rolename...
Gonna just work that out real quick, although I'm wondering whether it would be tilting at windmills to attempt to shoehorn yet more powers in. Opinions?
No pressure though; you'll be as random as ever when you come back, but in our opinions to it we can probably nudge the general gist of it. In my eyes, I don't really mind--if I have read right, it has the same weight as your other ability in the roleflip so you're 'probably more town possibly, than being scum'--but why I say 'I don't really mind' is because I don't want to influence it.
You're creative enough as is. :3
You can even just submit Shakerag's profile. :P Or FoU's profile.
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2017, 11:23:33 pm
Tiruin: Your play has seemed really different this game. You're much more aggressive and ready to push lynches on people than usual. Why?OH YES I'll summarize this so that my post finally won't be ignored :v
> Different to what.
Excuse my out of context comparison but it's like saying 'MAKE {x} GREAT AGAIN'; it's impressionistic without context. It's the biggest gripe I've had with your play this game. It's a theme I'm also feeling with DA but different in how he plays it out (but seriously, initiative guys >_>). While I understand that the way I'm wording this may be me taking it too literally at word-value, it's me rather noticing y'all wording thoughts out by translation.
So different to what? Because I'm about to unload a whole barrel of insight from that viewpoint.
Like: How is this different when I react in a position that there's little to no scumhunting? How will I act therein?
How will I act when I'm positioned towards seieng other people say such things to me? Is this a double-blind test too? Is this part of their tactic? I can understand that having been through that but there's also the bias of recency; what had happened in the past, first, or most recent.
How will I act when I see horrible cases being made and the vagueness of information that is the norm of the day?
By what basis do you make your comparisons? Or is this a feeling? And if a feeling--to what is the thought underneath and right before it?
I'd love to hear all of your thoughts, everyone, but just slinging stuff at other people won't work.
...It didn't work last Day 1.
It won't work now.
[Because wow did my reactionary post to TBF attract a lot of 'omgVOOOOTE' picks that went far more past the assumed # of scumvariables :V]
Post by: webadict on March 23, 2017, 04:04:59 am
Post by: hops on March 23, 2017, 05:23:38 am
A somewhat inefficient one, and one that can't really tell scum from town.Yo, Cinders, it is entirely possible that the kill could roleblock at the same time. Also, you never gave me a list, so I never gave you an item. Trades are trades. Are you afraid of an inspection?I am the inspection.
...? Are you claiming cop?
webadict: I'd be fine with receiving a gift.
Post by: flame99 on March 23, 2017, 09:37:29 am
I wanna see if I can vote TDS.If I'm reading the rules right, aren't our votes for who to lynch basically just suggestions? Can't imagine TDS would lynch himself.
... What? Explain, please.A somewhat inefficient one, and one that can't really tell scum from town.Yo, Cinders, it is entirely possible that the kill could roleblock at the same time. Also, you never gave me a list, so I never gave you an item. Trades are trades. Are you afraid of an inspection?I am the inspection.
...? Are you claiming cop?
webadict: I'd be fine with receiving a gift.
Post by: webadict on March 23, 2017, 10:10:08 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 23, 2017, 12:48:16 pm
Sure. I can turn you into a beetle and then step on you.I'd honestly be fine with BHK being actually lynched today.Id honestly be fine with winning a particularly high stakes game of dice with you. Want to claim one of your abilities so that I don't have to check for myself?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 23, 2017, 04:03:40 pm
It's not about lynching him. I want to see if it's possible to lynch him, since if not, he's very likely Town. I don't know the extent of his power and want to know more.
1. No, you can't lynch me.
2. No, I won't lynch myself.
Tiruin:
Tiruin: Your play has seemed really different this game. You're much more aggressive and ready to push lynches on people than usual. Why?OH YES I'll summarize this so that my post finally won't be ignored :v
> Different to what.
Excuse my out of context comparison but it's like saying 'MAKE {x} GREAT AGAIN'; it's impressionistic without context. It's the biggest gripe I've had with your play this game. It's a theme I'm also feeling with DA but different in how he plays it out (but seriously, initiative guys >_>). While I understand that the way I'm wording this may be me taking it too literally at word-value, it's me rather noticing y'all wording thoughts out by translation.
So different to what? Because I'm about to unload a whole barrel of insight from that viewpoint.
Like: How is this different when I react in a position that there's little to no scumhunting? How will I act therein?
How will I act when I'm positioned towards seieng other people say such things to me? Is this a double-blind test too? Is this part of their tactic? I can understand that having been through that but there's also the bias of recency; what had happened in the past, first, or most recent.
How will I act when I see horrible cases being made and the vagueness of information that is the norm of the day?
By what basis do you make your comparisons? Or is this a feeling? And if a feeling--to what is the thought underneath and right before it?
I'd love to hear all of your thoughts, everyone, but just slinging stuff at other people won't work.
...It didn't work last Day 1.
It won't work now.
[Because wow did my reactionary post to TBF attract a lot of 'omgVOOOOTE' picks that went far more past the assumed # of scumvariables :V]
First, I did specify why your play seems off:
Tiruin: Your play has seemed really different this game. You're much more aggressive and ready to push lynches on people than usual. Why?
But I should clarify, since good scumhunting can also be aggressive. Today, you've gone after a dead person who flipped town and then you've reaction-voted me (note: I control the vote). Basically, you have a lot of content and no posts. In addition, you're reacting very defensively. I'm currently reading you as really scummy.
Actually, you know what, Tiruin. I want to see what everyone else things of my case.
Yes.
Post by: hops on March 23, 2017, 04:07:43 pm
I can find rolenames, but I'm not sure what good that would do, so I've been using it on people whose roles I don't know yet.I wanna see if I can vote TDS.If I'm reading the rules right, aren't our votes for who to lynch basically just suggestions? Can't imagine TDS would lynch himself.... What? Explain, please.A somewhat inefficient one, and one that can't really tell scum from town.Yo, Cinders, it is entirely possible that the kill could roleblock at the same time. Also, you never gave me a list, so I never gave you an item. Trades are trades. Are you afraid of an inspection?I am the inspection.
...? Are you claiming cop?
webadict: I'd be fine with receiving a gift.
Post by: webadict on March 23, 2017, 04:42:10 pm
Unless the question is "Can my case go fuck itself?" In which case it is a yes, because your case is a lazy sack of crap.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 23, 2017, 05:00:55 pm
I could have sworn I made a post responding to Deus Asmoth, but I can't find it anywhere. That's actually the first time I've managed to delete a post before sending it.
Deus Asmoth: I was talking about TBF as he is right now: dead and confirmed town. Obviously once he revives he could be mafia again.
Tiruin: For the record, I'm very grumpy with you for what I'm about to do, because shrinking quotes down to a manageable size is enough of a hassle without dealing with your megaposts.
Apparently you weren't paying attention to the follow-up post, where I even explained to webadict what I was doing. I was prodding you to get information and seeing where the case went, not pursuing an incredibly serious case.webadict: I'd love a gift.HE HAS LITTLE SUBSTANCE, AND YOU FELL FOR MY CONFIRMED TOWN NOTICE, LIKE THE USUAL "15 minutes away for lunch" NOTICE.
Tiruin: What is it with you and yelling at TBF, someone who's confirmed to be town? Yes, we all know TBF is relatively low content, but what do you hope to accomplish by constantly pointing this out?
COME ON.
YOU TOO.
4mask!
> No substance of this whole D1 tunneling; basically 'not useful as "confirmed anything"' by playstyle.
> You're defending him by assuming my tone :V when someone looking at context can realize that there are loopholes present.
++ Nobody TOOK THOSE LOOPHOLES AND INSTEAD ASSUMED. :I
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One: he targeted me and played a game for my information. I won, so I received the text of the ability he used on me.I can confirm a few things:One: How
One: BHK was telling the truth about their ability from yesterday.
Two: Said ability's inspection mode cannot be used to determine if either BHK or his target is scum, as it will not reveal mafiakill abilities.
Three: My ability last night failed, not from a roleblock but because it, too, is probability-based.
I'd post more but I gotta head off to work.
Two: Assuming you targeted BHK; why?
Three: Information, dude. If you're going to make sense with what you do, you've to detail it because there's a loophole here.
What alongside your ability makes it probability based? It's less of a 'fishing' point since there's no exact to work on inasmuch as the same way I noticed BHK back then when he claimed.
Two: Who I targeted (if my ability even targets) is none of your goddamn business, this isn't fullclaim time. I'll explain that if/when I fullclaim.
Three: I claimed that little tidbit now as a more direct form of breadcrumbing: it provides credence to my claim if I claim down the road. Because I'm either setting up a fakeclaim now, one that could be proved false later on and bite me in the ass, or I'm telling the truth about my role.
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I'd also like to ask you about this; (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7389980;topicseen#msg7389980) since you deem it valuable to talk about TBF in other threads--tell exactly what you'd like about him and what you inferred :vWhat? Can you rephrase the question, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Alright now on to current events.
no
I have no idea what you're playing at, TDS, seeing as how you just a) reneged on the promise you gave at the beginning of the game that you wouldn't use the lynch on anyone but the person the town agreed upon (there was no majority and you hadn't set a deadline) and b) are voting for someone where there's some actual evidence for them being town (namely, webadict's nebulous inspection) without actually taking the time to build a full case against them. But go ahead: pitch your case, explain why people should vote yes. Because right now I'm looking at a group of nebulous accusations that kinda add up towards something but also kinda don't.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 23, 2017, 06:20:17 pm
Heres how it goes.
DA is town. I attempt to kill him tonight as a policy kill.
DA is scum. I attempt to kill him tonight for not claiming to me and then making his halfassed case on par with TDS's.
If anyone objects to the above -
TDS is town. I attempt to kill him tonight as a policy kill.
TDS is scum. I attempt to kill him tonight for his even more particularly halfassed case.
Any objections to one or both?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 23, 2017, 06:32:16 pm
Any objections to one or both?
Putting policy kills above suspicion-based kills is also a dumb idea. At least explain why either me or DA would be better a dead town than a live town.
Also, I'd rather not die.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 23, 2017, 07:16:24 pm
No.I think you're going to have to explain what you mean by a policy kill. You might as well explain why I should have any motivation to claim just because you ask me to while you're at it.
Heres how it goes.
DA is town. I attempt to kill him tonight as a policy kill.
DA is scum. I attempt to kill him tonight for not claiming to me and then making his halfassed case on par with TDS's.
If anyone objects to the above -
TDS is town. I attempt to kill him tonight as a policy kill.
TDS is scum. I attempt to kill him tonight for his even more particularly halfassed case.
Any objections to one or both?
Post by: webadict on March 23, 2017, 08:11:33 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 23, 2017, 10:54:20 pm
TDS: Your gameplay this game is awful, and your one post of reasoning (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7400141#msg7400141)...sucks. :-\
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First, I did specify why your play seems off:Yeah. I'm not indifferent. I quoted the exact thing. Why is missing.
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But I should clarify, since good scumhunting can also be aggressive. Today, you've gone after a dead person who flipped town and then you've reaction-voted me (note: I control the vote). Basically, you have a lot of content and no posts. In addition, you're reacting very defensively. I'm currently reading you as really scummy.Holy cheese this myopia and twistiness.
It was a pressure vote UNTIL YOU DID THIS RUBBISH.
I mean until then I've been leaning between 'ok is he testing me or is this quite how he plays' and 'why and where is his content and ideas in it?', alongside my INITIAL bias of 'okay he's not really a King but I thought otherwise back in Day1'.
TDS, if I have to use the same discrepancy in your brevity and turn it into something concise: You're being unreasonable.
PFP
Post by: Tiruin on March 23, 2017, 11:50:09 pm
Apparently you weren't paying attention to the follow-up post, where I even explained to webadict what I was doing. I was prodding you to get information and seeing where the case went, not pursuing an incredibly serious case.I was. :P
Or at least~ You (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7397564#msg7397564)r posts (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7397565#msg7397565) from then (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7398877#msg7398877), compared to when you made that post, have (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7398923#msg7398923) ...only these 5 posts (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7400198#msg7400198), all linked here.
Which one has that explanation? You hunting me?
Because I feel nothing from you. No reading, no actual prodding. And especially no follow up considering that you infer or imply a Godfather or whatever there--without even knowing webadict's actual disclosure, in public. So 4mask: Where's your prodding? @_@ [Ultimately, the D:< tone, possibly {when I say possibly I mean 'it's linked to this but you can draw your own conclusions; I'm fine with that too'} is linked to the poor day play being seen around here, and me attempting to stir or inject some activity back in.
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What? Can you rephrase the question, I have no idea what you're talking about.You...said something about TBF's role thingy in other threads in that megapost you snipped down.
Look, if you're going to pursue my strangeness, there must be a basis :v because I did this in previous games, actually. It may be just because in my MORE RECENT games that I didn't use formatting to this degree of manipulation to invoke some responses that makes it 'off' to some of you.
I'd like more content if there's to be an actual case against me that way >_> Just saying the stuff I probably formatted in a way that may have a different tone in my past post doesn't help.
BHK
No.Err...I'm lost.
Heres how it goes.
DA is town. I attempt to kill him tonight as a policy kill.
DA is scum. I attempt to kill him tonight for not claiming to me and then making his halfassed case on par with TDS's.
If anyone objects to the above -
TDS is town. I attempt to kill him tonight as a policy kill.
TDS is scum. I attempt to kill him tonight for his even more particularly halfassed case.
Any objections to one or both?
What drew you to pick those dudes again or did I miss a post about the context before this post? Your RNG (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7390271#msg7390271) abilities seem confirmed by 4mask as far as I've read his 5 posts. :O
Post by: Tiruin on March 23, 2017, 11:52:22 pm
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Post by: Tiruin on March 24, 2017, 05:52:52 am
Let's get back the mindset of a normal game.
If all of you could vote right now, what would you do/who would it be.
Ignore the current lynch system in two ways:
> First phase is talking to others;
> Second phase is doing that voting on other people because only YES OR NO IN RED matters.
Activity more please :O
Post by: webadict on March 24, 2017, 06:07:46 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 24, 2017, 01:47:20 pm
Deus Asmoth: Are you actually going to vote yes or no, are you going to pursue your case on Tiruin, or are you going to ignore all that in favor of questioning BHK's post?
BHK: While I wouldn't really mind the DA kill on the grounds of I think he may be scum, I'm curious why you'd policy-kill either of them.
Post by: hops on March 24, 2017, 03:10:27 pm
Okay, Cinder, then who did you inspect last Night?TBF. This has the effect of roleblocking him.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 24, 2017, 04:09:53 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 24, 2017, 04:27:16 pm
Arrrrgh. Well that explains it.Okay, Cinder, then who did you inspect last Night?TBF. This has the effect of roleblocking him.
Post by: Tiruin on March 24, 2017, 05:23:24 pm
4mask:[/] I'm going to vote when I have the opportunity to do so on more than a gut feeling, which takes more time than askingBHK about his planAnd yet I don't get a response at all? :P
Are you busy lately? :O
Inspect+Roleblock @_@Arrrrgh. Well that explains it.Okay, Cinder, then who did you inspect last Night?TBF. This has the effect of roleblocking him.
Woah.
. . .Also how did you think about it anyway TBF? Do you have a certain flavor of what had happened by the way?
In a way, I feel like that'll help Webbywubs more :P but in general--please mention the flavor of how it had happened.
Tiruin: The stuff I said about TBF's role was very, very simple: he hinted in the banter thread that he had an ability that allowed him to bring another player into the game. That was literally all I was saying.You could've said that from the start. I didn't get that. D:<
. . .Ooooooooooh.
Well that's quite a vague hint that I never got because I just wondered 'oh okay, I think he's asking if there's anyone interested but- okay?' -_-
. . .I don't feel well at all in abilities that cross into other non-game threads though ._. but in context, thanks for the explanation :O
This means TBF's whole role is technically scrapped given the indication of how it is? He's dead, but still has the whole role--that means when he does use the day shot [FoU: Can TBF be targeted?], he won't get that 'invite others into game' thing alongside the auto being scrapped?
Asking for certainty. :P
I think I'd vote Cinder. But only because she hasn't answered who she's suspicious of or why, but stated multiple times that she has reasons for not suspecting them.Other people have been like that too :O
Any comparison present in mind?
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And then crickets start chirping.Yeeeep >_> I'm getting that feeling instead of actual active lurking or something related to day activity/play.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 24, 2017, 05:24:35 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 24, 2017, 05:30:06 pm
I got sat down and talked to.>_>
<.<
I'll assume that's all, and also assume that you're pretty free to add to it if you feel it's not that distinct in being expressed.
How'd you die?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 24, 2017, 09:37:41 pm
1. You're better a dead town than a living town if you aren't going to put much of any reason behind your lynch suspects Day 2.No.I think you're going to have to explain what you mean by a policy kill. You might as well explain why I should have any motivation to claim just because you ask me to while you're at it.
Heres how it goes.
DA is town. I attempt to kill him tonight as a policy kill.
DA is scum. I attempt to kill him tonight for not claiming to me and then making his halfassed case on par with TDS's.
If anyone objects to the above -
TDS is town. I attempt to kill him tonight as a policy kill.
TDS is scum. I attempt to kill him tonight for his even more particularly halfassed case.
Any objections to one or both?
2. Because if you don't, you're deliberately refusing to claim to what 4mask has confirmed as a partially investigative role. And because I also have a kill, I can potentially service the town as a vigilante. Therefore, if you're still refusing, i'm going to, instead of acting as an investigator tonight, do my duty as a vigilante and attempt to kill you for denying me, and by extension the town, a claim, which is information. I assure you that if you want the town to win, this is enough motivation for you. Unless you don't, in which case, you can't disagree that me killing you would be justified wholly.
BHK: While I wouldn't really mind the DA kill on the grounds of I think he may be scum, I'm curious why you'd policy-kill either of them.If they can't put much of any effort into their cases, what makes you think they'll put much of any effort into any other duty as a town member? Besides, with the current lack of suspects, aren't they the best two choices, currently?
Gladly. Explain your vote, and my reasoning for making you a policy is gone. Because I do not trust you with our vote if you're going to use it so carelessly.Any objections to one or both?
Putting policy kills above suspicion-based kills is also a dumb idea. At least explain why either me or DA would be better a dead town than a live town.
Also, I'd rather not die.
Post by: webadict on March 24, 2017, 10:22:46 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 25, 2017, 12:37:19 am
Got shot, I believe.I got sat down and talked to.>_>
<.<
I'll assume that's all, and also assume that you're pretty free to add to it if you feel it's not that distinct in being expressed.
How'd you die?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 25, 2017, 12:37:47 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 25, 2017, 02:50:29 am
I'm actually with BHK on this one.I agree with that too ._.
There's a lot less substance by initiative and more 'substance later on'. So I'm really wondering if its being busy, or its something else.
Post by: hops on March 25, 2017, 09:14:40 am
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/070/976/PEOPLE_DIE_IF_THEY_ARE_KILLED.jpg)
How'd you die?
Post by: webadict on March 25, 2017, 10:01:56 am
I gotta find two more Town players tonight to give gifts to. And apparently, they give out fairly powerful abilities. I'm also currently Level 2, and nearing Level 3 if I guess correctly. If I can only find 1, I'll do that instead, but I'm against Tiruin dying, since she's not likely to be scum. Especially since I know what a majority of her role is now. It was pretty expensive to get as much as I did.
There are 6 players, and 2 of you are scum. Cinder may very well be one of those scum, but I don't like playing 1 in 5 odds. So, I'm gonna post my list again. If you think your role flavor matches the item, let me know. If you don't then I guess that's bad news bears for you.
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A runic explosive.
A geology textbook.
A pair of binoculars.
A Deck of Many Things.
A sturdy pickaxe.
A basket of herbs.A bottle of maple syrup.A megaphone.
A set of obsidian tiles with letters on them.
A bone wand.
A charm bracelet.
A pair of purple boots.
Tiruin has accepted the bottle of maple syrup.
TheBiggerFish has accepted the megaphone.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 25, 2017, 10:06:28 am
So, we just gonna sit around and do diddly squat?My entire motif is gambling. Not much I see there.
I gotta find two more Town players tonight to give gifts to. And apparently, they give out fairly powerful abilities. I'm also currently Level 2, and nearing Level 3 if I guess correctly. If I can only find 1, I'll do that instead, but I'm against Tiruin dying, since she's not likely to be scum. Especially since I know what a majority of her role is now. It was pretty expensive to get as much as I did.
There are 6 players, and 2 of you are scum. Cinder may very well be one of those scum, but I don't like playing 1 in 5 odds. So, I'm gonna post my list again. If you think your role flavor matches the item, let me know. If you don't then I guess that's bad news bears for you.QuoteA runic explosive.
A geology textbook.
A pair of binoculars.
A Deck of Many Things.
A sturdy pickaxe.
A basket of herbs.A bottle of maple syrup.A megaphone.
A set of obsidian tiles with letters on them.
A bone wand.
A charm bracelet.
A pair of purple boots.
Tiruin has accepted the bottle of maple syrup.
TheBiggerFish has accepted the megaphone.
Post by: Tiruin on March 25, 2017, 10:38:36 am
Though I do love how believable all that is ._. Awesome items for sale.
...It just hit me. There are 12 items. o_O
Aaaand we started the game with 9 people :O
Everyone: Thinking this through--it's just like a normal game, but there's pressure on one person to pick out a person.Basically: Assume normal game. We're in the second phase at the moment.
Let's get back the mindset of a normal game.
If all of you could vote right now, what would you do/who would it be.
Ignore the current lynch system in two ways:
> First phase is talking to others;
> Second phase is doing that voting on other people because only YES OR NO IN RED matters.
Activity more please :O
Tiruin: The stuff I said about TBF's role was very, very simple: he hinted in the banter thread that he had an ability that allowed him to bring another player into the game. That was literally all I was saying.Beep boop; would love your vote vote :3 [see: above]
Deus Asmoth: Are you actually going to vote yes or no, are you going to pursue your case on Tiruin, or are you going to ignore all that in favor of questioning BHK's post?
BHK: While I wouldn't really mind the DA kill on the grounds of I think he may be scum, I'm curious why you'd policy-kill either of them.
Same with the latest folks sans Webbywubs who mentioned Cinder.
I think I'd vote Cinder. But only because she hasn't answered who she's suspicious of or why, but stated multiple times that she has reasons for not suspecting them. And then crickets start chirping.The last sentence seems appropriate. :O
Post by: flame99 on March 25, 2017, 04:17:32 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 25, 2017, 08:59:19 pm
I suppose there's no real point in me not claiming my item, since I know it. Worth keeping in mind that it appears town and scum is separated from role name/flavor, considering that TBF's invite and resurrection states that it is. Mine is the runic explosive, and if you care, my role name is demolitionist. What that does, I would rather not say for now.Really?
*reads (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.450)*
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Enthusiastic Inning(town)Is this what you mean? o_O
Also your ideas on others + presumed vote?
The only people who voted [2nd phase] are:
BHK - No
4mask - No
Webadict - No
TDS - Yes
And yet others have posted o_o [Like DA~]
But...yeah. Need more thoughts from y'all.
FoU: Where is the deadline :P
And/or your post?
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Quote from: Trial System
The voting system is currently Trial. In Trial, the day is further split into two phases: Choice, and Lynch. In the Choice phase, there will be no deadline, and TheDarkStar will choose who is up for lynch. In the Lynch phase, there will be a deadline, and all the players will choose if the player up for lynch will be lynched or not. If not is chosen and the current Lynch phase is the first of the day, the day will return to the Choice phase.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 25, 2017, 09:00:00 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 25, 2017, 09:01:33 pm
@Tiruin:No, read my ability text.Yes o_o
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(Auto): Enthusiasm: Nothing can stop you from posting in the thread!...I don't see it. x_x
(1-Shot, Day, Unusable): In Again!: After you die, this ability loses the Unusable tag. Using this ability lets you join the game again with a new role submission. Note that your alignment will be randomly determined if you do this(same odds as You Go In Too!). You cannot use this ability if you have deadchat access(which is optional in your case).
(1-Shot, Night): You Go In Too!: Choose a non-player and compose a 250-char or shorter message. I will offer the chosen non-player a spot in the game with a PM, and include your message in the PM. If they accept, they will submit a role name and join the game with that role at the start of the following day. Their alignment will be randomly determined: They will have a 2/9 chance of being mafia, and a 7/9 chance of being town.
(Night): Annoy [target]: You annoy your target so much that their anger makes them target you.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 25, 2017, 09:02:12 pm
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If they accept, they will submit a role name and join the game with that role at the start of the following day. Their alignment will be randomly determined: They will have a 2/9 chance of being mafia, and a 7/9 chance of being town.
Post by: Tiruin on March 25, 2017, 09:09:16 pm
OOOOH. O_o
It's that no matter what flavor/role you have, being scum or town is unattached to it.
...I had assumed that since the start rather than assuming 'your abilities, how they're worded, and anything alongside your role is connected to your alignment' so that's me guessing why I missed that kind of thought.
TBF, how're you going to use your indefinite extension of leave-present-posting? :P
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 25, 2017, 09:10:34 pm
Post by: flame99 on March 26, 2017, 04:27:12 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 26, 2017, 06:05:36 pm
Replacement request
Post by: webadict on March 26, 2017, 07:20:22 pm
Ok, yeah. There's some stuff going on that I can't really get into, but it's taking up a lot of my time and the time I do spend here seems to just be making me irrationally annoyed at people. I'll try to play when I can actually be coherent about it if there aren't any takers for a spot.Sad. Get better.
Replacement request
Post by: webadict on March 26, 2017, 07:20:47 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 26, 2017, 07:33:36 pm
Ok, yeah. There's some stuff going on that I can't really get into, but it's taking up a lot of my time and the time I do spend here seems to just be making me irrationally annoyed at people. I'll try to play when I can actually be coherent about it if there aren't any takers for a spot.:-\ If it's at any of us, please shoot a PM or post-game; take care DA! :D
Replacement request
Post by: Tiruin on March 26, 2017, 11:19:31 pm
Keep posting, pretty much.Cue crickets :v
Cue crickets all around D:
Hope FoU is okay ._.
We need your votes, people. Second phase is up; 3 No, 1 Yes, out of us 8.
...
No, because I just realized I hadn't voted. :V
Post by: doll on March 27, 2017, 06:17:16 am
I'll try to play when I can actually be coherent about it if there aren't any takers for a spot.Just swap back in over me at any time you feel up for playing again. It's your role and your game, afterall.
Replacement request
For those wondering, I went in as replacement in a PM to FoU previously, which is why I showed up in the OP.
I'll hold off on any more posting until I get confirmation from FoU about what's happening and any roles I may have.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 27, 2017, 07:16:06 am
*hugs*Ok, yeah. There's some stuff going on that I can't really get into, but it's taking up a lot of my time and the time I do spend here seems to just be making me irrationally annoyed at people. I'll try to play when I can actually be coherent about it if there aren't any takers for a spot.:-\ If it's at any of us, please shoot a PM or post-game; take care DA! :D
Replacement request
Post by: hops on March 27, 2017, 08:46:49 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 27, 2017, 08:50:17 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 27, 2017, 09:06:06 am
I could probably Shakeragian shenanigans, yes.DO SOMETHING ELSE. D:<
Like "The Role That Makes Everyone's Life Easier [Or Post More And Never Let The Game Die]".
Or just send in Rick Astley.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 27, 2017, 09:25:26 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 27, 2017, 10:17:36 am
I mean, it's not explicitly stated, but it seems like a logical conclusion that flavor is distinct from scumminess. (Can we get that confirmed by any chance, FoU?)Whether you are town, scum, or third party is determined at random when the game starts. However, what flavor of third party you are, if you are a third party, is influenced by your role submission.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 27, 2017, 01:47:53 pm
Deadline: probably 4 P.M. Central/Forum time Tuesday.I mean, it's not explicitly stated, but it seems like a logical conclusion that flavor is distinct from scumminess. (Can we get that confirmed by any chance, FoU?)Whether you are town, scum, or third party is determined at random when the game starts. However, what flavor of third party you are, if you are a third party, is influenced by your role submission.
Followup question: Are people assigned roles before or after their alignment is decided?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 27, 2017, 01:54:22 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 27, 2017, 02:33:23 pm
Deus Asmoth has been replaced by doll.
Post by: webadict on March 27, 2017, 06:02:45 pm
Post by: doll on March 28, 2017, 07:35:36 am
I'm still Granny Weatherwax, for those interested.
What up, doll face?The value of my investment portfolio, the length of my hair, and the number of mafia games I'm in.
I'm somewhat disappointed that there was a no-lynch, but BHK is looking pretty hot recently so I'm glad they're around.
No
TDS:
Ironically, you're going after someone largely because they had the gall to point out how you're not doing any work.
The first vote of the day is yours to waste, sure, but please don't blow the second on such a patently weak case.
You're saying Tiruin is suspicious because she's acting outside of her meta, but that's a meta-tell and would only be valid if this is what is expected of Scum!Tiruin.
It isn't though, since Tiruin plays the same as town and scum, hence why so many D1 reads lists say the same thing about her.
TBF:
Right this second, you win with the town, correct?
I would suggest that it's probably in your interest to wait until lylo to go back in. At such a time (and mylo to a lesser extent due to the likelyhood of there being mylo breakers) your 'in' has a very high value because either scum!TBF automatically wins because you break the lylo in scum's favor, or you've not made scum automatically win and are therefore a clear town player. Since at such a time you lose if you don't in (as you are currently town), you'll want to in since it A) has a 2/9 chance of giving you autowin B) has a 7/9 chance of adding a clear player to your team (town).
In such a case where we never see lylo/mylo, it means town has won (while retaining a fair number, as well), so you still win as a currently town player.
A third of one.Is this heavily weighted towards you winning?
I have three abilities. They each work on a roll of 6 dice for me and my target, 15 has no effect, the loser is hit by the effect of my ability, which means I can accidentally help the person I was targeting. I can kill someone, discover what one of their abilities does, or steal their vote.
I'd like to point out that vig-kills are good because the vig can't hit the vig and therefore has a better kill-rate and accuracy than random lynches, and the vig-kill is in addition to the lynch. A random vig kill which has a higher chance of hitting the vig than (at present) 1/7 has a worse ratio than a random lynch. That's not to say that you shouldn't go for such, but if the chance of you hitting yourself is greater than (the chance of hitting the other person)*~3/2*scum/otherplayers it's a bad choice to go for the shot at odd numbers of players from your perspective and ignoring other aspects of the ability. That said, you're not clear and we have an even number of players, so fire away.
Incidentally, is there anything about what you did last night that you think would be good to share with the town at this point?
Huh. Well, I don't have anything useful to report from last night. I do have a reply to Tiruin, but that'll have to wait till I get home.I wouldn't have made any post like this personally, so I'll modify this slightly into a more cryptic response:
I don't have any more reason to suspect webadict or think that he was lying about his actions than anyone else.
I have a probability based ability, but my information ability is not probability based.
I don't like the partial claim because I can't take advice on what to gather information on without more or less fullclaiming as I've got a fairly integrated set of abilities.
Post by: doll on March 28, 2017, 08:12:00 am
BHK:
The deck of many things (here in it's 3.5 incarnation in more or less it's original setting (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/artifacts.htm#deckofManyThings)) is pretty well the poster child for gambling magical items, hence it's recurrence in many roguelikes (like DCSS, as Tiruin mentioned).
Unfortunately, any of the bag of herbs, the purple boots, or the geology textbook could be my associated item. I would suggest that it is probably not the bag of herbs. If you have a stronger description of the items, the boots should mention hobnails if they are mine. If they don't, then I really have no idea.
Player comments:
Cinder is actually playing. It's, uh, underwhelming, but not everyone can be an asshole who drowns out the world in daily walls of text so it's fine.
flame99 isn't really playing, to the point of P25 TBF. I'd like to see a lot more content from here, please, and will be asking questions.
Tiruin is invested in the game and helping the town, so she can stick around for now since I'd rather lynch disruptive or inactive players who might be lazy scum than an active and helpful player of completely unknown alignment
Webadict played a very strong town game D1 in that he spent all of D1 rolefishing and baiting reactions out of scum (specifically) and has continued to be authentic in his treatment of his role.
Deus Asmoth was me but not as cute, I'm town so he was town though not as towny, toot toot
TheDarkStar by far and away the most lynchable player on the roster, and yet the one we can't lynch (probably). I'd really like to see some work from him since he's almost certainly town (this is a non-bastard and not nearly high power enough for me to expect unlynchable scum)
TheBiggerFish dead and town, boo hoo very sad I cried at the funeral. Not relevant right now, may as well keep up doing town work since they win with us.
4maskwolf calls players out in games they're not playing in, mistakes hunting for scum (via direct rolefishing) for disrupting scum (which should occur in parallel to rolefishing) and RVS for doing work. He's actually been playing a fairly standard and dependable day game so I'm inclined to say that he's worth keeping around.
BlackHeartKabal started out weak, playing fairly strong right now. Probably town, definitely town-y (pro-information and useful) so a cool guy all around.
I only noticed in rereading 4mask that he claimed what BHK did last night (with his more normal ability, anyhow).
Questions:
flame99
Do you intend to contribute more than asking vacuous questions to the mod and interacting with the bare minimum of game mechanics?
Is webadict town or scum?
Am I scum or town?
What alignment is cinder?
Are there third parties in this game?
If you could, would you lynch TDS right now? Is TDS scum?
Webadict
Do you have any reads on Cinder or flame99, and if so what are they?
Tiruin
Do you have any reads on Cinder or flame99, and if so what are they?
4maskwolf
By process of elimination, I should be pushing a case on either flame99 or Cinder. Which of them would you prefer I did so on, and would you support either such case?
BlackHeartKabal
Why have I so clearly set up a position for me to tunnel certain players from when I have no particular reason to think those players are or aren't scum.
People who like to answer needless RVS style WIFOM
Is anyone here a third party, and does anyone here think it's likely that a third party exists?
Post by: hops on March 28, 2017, 10:13:29 am
Post by: flame99 on March 28, 2017, 01:57:11 pm
Webadict has made some rather extreme accusations and went for blood at very little provocation, but everybody seems to be ignoring that, so I guess that's normal. Like I said, I can't contribute much.
How the hell would I know whether you're scum or town?
I haven't found anything to confirm Cin one way or another. Again, I don't know.
How would I know? Seriously, do you think I have FoU's notes or something? Maybe WA's or TDS's powers would be suited to an independent but I don't know.
For meta reasons, I sincerely doubt it. It'd be rather broken to give an independent effective control of the town.
For one who is trying to call me out on "vacuous questions", you sure seem to like asking ones I couldn't possibly know the answer to.
Post by: webadict on March 28, 2017, 02:27:06 pm
I have the time to write. I just don't know what to write. I could start pointing fingers at people and spew out a lot of conjectures and hope some stick, but I'll need to come up with ideas on WHAT.That's not a good excuse though. How do you plan to catch scum with that plan?
@flame99: How can you know anyone is anything? You can't. But people react to things, and this reaction changes based on what you know. So, take that knowledge and use it like this: If Webadict knew he was scum, would he do that? You have an advantage, in that you have plethera of knowledge on me as well as many others here to tell you why they agree or don't agree.
Maybe the difference between our experience is that I am not afraid to be wrong. I even stake a lot of my game power to try and gain an advantage. I play this game differently, and it is OKAY to be suspicious of that.
However, I am gonna say this and mean it: Even if you're wrong, it isn't wrong to be wrong. If you are missing information, get it or make a conclusion based off that missing information.
What can you do to win the game? Think about how those actions will help you or hurt you. You may mislynch or have to lynch a partner. If it wins you the game, well... sometimes you gotta do it.
But how do you let everyone know what you're doing if you are afraid to be read?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 28, 2017, 03:19:32 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 28, 2017, 03:51:02 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 28, 2017, 04:38:43 pm
It should be confirmed to everyone that I have it once FoU processes my use of it.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 28, 2017, 04:49:20 pm
... Voting returns to normal. No more Trial Mode.
Votecount:
TheDarkStar(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
webadict(0): []
Deus Asmoth(0): []
Cinder(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
flame99(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting: TheDarkStar, Tiruin, webadict, Deus Asmoth, Cinder, BlackHeartKabal, flame99, 4maskwolf
Post by: webadict on March 28, 2017, 04:54:12 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 28, 2017, 04:57:01 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 28, 2017, 05:00:55 pm
Post by: webadict on March 28, 2017, 05:02:55 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2017, 05:12:04 pm
The day has been extended by 48 hours. The day will now end around 4:00 P.M. Central/Forum time Thursday. How mysterious.What?
TheDarkStar has used Slot Machine. 1 was rolled.What??
... Voting returns to normal. No more Trial Mode.
webadict has used Slot Machine.Que ???
Well I got it too, but I can't use it.Whaaaaaat
I think I missed out on something mass-actioned :V
QUickedit: PHWAIT ITS IN MY PM BOX THAT ITS IN ANOTHER TAB ahahaaaa
So TDS is actually active lurking :V
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 28, 2017, 05:13:14 pm
If it rolls bad, you lose an ability. That's probably what knocked out the voting.
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2017, 05:15:49 pm
I'd like something better than a pick and run towards me, from you--or towards any of everyone you picked.
PFP
A whole bunch of people got slot machines.Nat 1 huh. o_o
If it rolls bad, you lose an ability. That's probably what knocked out the voting.
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1: The slot machine explodes in your face. You cannot post in the thread for the remainder of the day(or for the next day, if you used this during the night), though you can still vote. Also, the explosion removes a random ability you have from your role....Well wow yay >_>
Unvote.
Can't even defend himself due to mechanics. :I
And it's a 1d10!
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10: Only the one who caused this madness in the first place knows what this is.Somehow I wonder if I've been saturated with memes because the first thought among the hundred thoughts in mind was 'ayyyyy'.
I've been playing FEF with Solymr a lot. :P
LET'S DO IT.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 28, 2017, 05:19:49 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 28, 2017, 05:21:05 pm
Me and the target roll 5 dice. Highest roll is the winner, and is hit by the effect. I targeted 4mask for his information and lost, so he got information on my role.A third of one.Is this heavily weighted towards you winning?
I have three abilities. They each work on a roll of 6 dice for me and my target, 15 has no effect, the loser is hit by the effect of my ability, which means I can accidentally help the person I was targeting. I can kill someone, discover what one of their abilities does, or steal their vote.
I'd like to point out that vig-kills are good because the vig can't hit the vig and therefore has a better kill-rate and accuracy than random lynches, and the vig-kill is in addition to the lynch. A random vig kill which has a higher chance of hitting the vig than (at present) 1/7 has a worse ratio than a random lynch. That's not to say that you shouldn't go for such, but if the chance of you hitting yourself is greater than (the chance of hitting the other person)*~3/2*scum/otherplayers it's a bad choice to go for the shot at odd numbers of players from your perspective and ignoring other aspects of the ability. That said, you're not clear and we have an even number of players, so fire away.
Incidentally, is there anything about what you did last night that you think would be good to share with the town at this point?
BlackHeartKabalBecause your idea of who is scum or not is irrelevant considering it's an idea and not solid proof, so if you ever gain a hunch or credible information exclusive to you on someone else, you already have a start on their case? I'm not you, there are dozens of different reasons to take any action in mafia.
Why have I so clearly set up a position for me to tunnel certain players from when I have no particular reason to think those players are or aren't scum.
The day has been extended by 48 hours. The day will now end around 4:00 P.M. Central/Forum time Thursday. How mysterious.
Hold up a bit while I get home to respond in detail. I'm extending the day.Ah, the day extension is truly the scummiest of abilities.
10: Only the one who caused this madness in the first place knows what this is. Somehow I wonder if I've been saturated with memes because the first thought among the hundred thoughts in mind was 'ayyyyy'.That 10 would be a Mini Casino Royale, which gives the person who rolls it a 24 hour extension and gives everyone a 50% chance to receive Slot Machine.
I've been playing FEF with Solymr a lot. :P
LET'S DO IT.
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2017, 05:23:19 pm
That 10 would be a Mini Casino Royale, which gives the person who rolls it a 24 hour extension and gives everyone a 50% chance to receive Slot Machine.Well I can confirm this now.
:V
[/explicitly obvious what she rolled]
PFP
Post by: flame99 on March 28, 2017, 05:31:57 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2017, 05:40:45 pm
I don't think I'll risk it, personally; I don't really have a useless/lackluster ability to lose. Still, this is definitely interesting. BHK, do you know what the listed abilities do?I can mention them all--obviously without timestamps so anyone can accuse me for editing some words. :P
I think everyone actually benefits from it, more like. Unless this has strings attached [the ol' Someone uses this power = something in payback], I doubt it since there's a 2 out of 10 chance for things to go badly.
And as you can see--or at least "everyone turn to their booklets" to see, as I presume everyone got it--someone rolling 1 or 2 is announced publicly.
I just announced mine anyway :P
Random aside, I've got flashbacks from Mr. House of Fallout: New Vegas :V
I'm now paranoid that that's BHK. :P or something Vegas-y
Post by: webadict on March 28, 2017, 05:58:48 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2017, 06:00:10 pm
In a compliment-y way!
That said:
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-TheDarkStar(?)Back to the query I've got dudes! :3
-Tiruin(?)
-webadict(?)
-Deus Asmoth -> doll(?)
-Cinder(?)
-BlackHeartKabal(?)
-flame99(?)
-4maskwolf(?)
And rather asking people their ideas about others :P
If all of you could vote right now, what would you do/who would it be.
I'd be doing TDS, but then I saw the '1', then I saw my PM. Then all that meant 'he can't even defend himself'. :V
Guess it blew up his 'auto' or something that makes him powerrole the lynch.
Ahh, I wanted another one.You'll get it when I live later on, like if mistakes happen and people die off and whatnot :P
Unless somehow someone can argue why it's a good thing for everyone to have it MORE now. I like the prospects given the presumed stats.
6 town/third-parties vs 2 scum. Presuming the same thing I presumed before.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 28, 2017, 06:50:59 pm
Random aside, I've got flashbacks from Mr. House of Fallout: New Vegas :VImplying Mr. House straight up isn't the best choice for Vegas.
I'm now paranoid that that's BHK. :P or something Vegas-y
BHK, do you know what the listed abilities do?Elaborate?
Post by: flame99 on March 28, 2017, 07:08:50 pm
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7: You gain a 1-Shot Night ability from this list, chosen at random: Randomize, Slot Machine, Tarot “Reading”, Block.These, I mean. Do you know what they do?
8: You gain a 1-Shot Night ability from this list, chosen at random: Redirect, Karma, Slot Machine, Temp Resurrect(target is revived for only the next phase).
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2017, 11:20:32 pm
I dunno >_> I liked the NCR, and somehow the game forces me to pick and not diplomatically help everyside (Ok I can, but y'know, I have to SIDE WITH A FACTION or ALL OR NOTHING and then kablooey every other faction :V It's not like the NCR can be besties with everyone because they're nice [and not overly jerks])Random aside, I've got flashbacks from Mr. House of Fallout: New Vegas :VImplying Mr. House straight up isn't the best choice for Vegas.
I'm now paranoid that that's BHK. :P or something Vegas-y
*AHEM*
Soooo.
Randomize is random'ing the acting person's target. Slot Machine is getting that ability AGAIN.Quote7: You gain a 1-Shot Night ability from this list, chosen at random: Randomize, Slot Machine, Tarot “Reading”, Block.These, I mean. Do you know what they do?
8: You gain a 1-Shot Night ability from this list, chosen at random: Redirect, Karma, Slot Machine, Temp Resurrect(target is revived for only the next phase).
Tarot Reading sounds a lot like...someone has it, because that's the weirdest thing I've read in that mix.
Block = Roleblock.
Karma...same as Tarot Reading :V
Temp Resurrect = you live for the next {day OR night} after that ability is activated; I'm presuming that makes the person ONLY live in the NIGHT as the Slot Machine is a Day action.
You can PM the mod--if the ability is YOURS--to inquire about what ability does what. :)
Welcome to my Casino Royale. Please note that if you roll especially bad, your slot machine will explode, disable your ability to speak, and remove an ability from your role permanently. Have fun.Why did you use your ability, now?
Post by: doll on March 29, 2017, 01:20:39 am
TDS is still town, unless you can convince me that town had multiple surefire methods of getting rid of him (and detecting him in the first place).
This is purely meta-speculation on how I expect FoU to be running this game, but it is also pretty ironclad a case within that speculative framework.
flame99
As I've said again and again, I've not posted much because I have no real idea of what to say."Oh woe is me, I am a new player and refuse to say anything while pretending this somehow contributes to the daygame"
What you should be saying is, 'we should lynch X'. X should change throughout the day and throughout time, and X at the very start of the game should be someone completely random (but we're well out of RVS by now).
For clarity, I'm not voting you because I think you're scum. I'm voting you because I don't think you're not scum, and while you're in exactly the same boat as more experienced players like Tiruin in not giving clear reads, in your case it's for a want of activity and contribution so you're not positioning yourself to give reads in the future nor are you setting the town up to do anything.
Day 1 we lost a player and our odd numbers to a no-lynch. Outside of powers, a no-lynch at some number of mislynches out from lylo is the same as a mislynch, so this is unforgiveable. Hopefully someone will die (or not die) due to powers to make up the numbers and get us back to where we want to be, but for now let's work with the assumption that night phases are worse for the town than day phases.
Quite frankly, until I can do more than vaguely guess at what I'm supposed to be doing, no, I really don't, since I'd just be wasting time.No, what you are doing now is wasting time (i.e. time is literally pouring away while you do nothing). If you actually asked questions and answered questions, regardless of whether or not you were honest or insightful or any other thing, there would be more material in the game of you and other players for us to analyze.
QWhy don't you make a big thing about it if everyone is ignoring it?
Webadict has made some rather extreme accusations and went for blood at very little provocation, but everybody seems to be ignoring that, so I guess that's normal. Like I said, I can't contribute much.
If you've found what you think are scum, and you're just going to let it sit because other people aren't picking up on it, you're going to struggle to win games no matter how insightful you are.
Furthermore, making a case gives other players the ability to read you. I'm voting you now because you've given out no information on yourself or another player (real information, not barebones mechanical interaction) and have taken a stance where you intend to continue that position. Well, if I don't have any indication that you're town and you're not promising me a chance to get an indication that you're scum, I'll try to kill you now so I don't have to deal with a complete unknown.
How the hell would I know whether you're scum or town?Care to speculate?
If someone asks you a question and you don't know the answer in definitive terms (hint: you never will), then give the best answer you can give at this time. Say 'I don't like the feeling of how X did Y' or 'X generated a lot of activity and their case on Z was well reasoned so I'm leaning towards thinking they're town'. The fact that you're not engaging with the daygame is actually scummy in itself, since a low information low activity daygame is usually pro-scum, but in your case maybe you're just new. Guess what? I don't care. You're still making the day easier for scum by not forcing out content. Post something, then when people respond post more based on that.
I haven't found anything to confirm Cin one way or another. Again, I don't know.Neither have I. Yet I'm going to say: your blatantly incompetent style suggests on a meta level that you're not in a scumteam with someone you know well and trust, because maybe (and I'm reaching here, since you seem pretty firmly opposed to actually contributing to the game and I don't know quite what the reaches of your unprovoked spite are) you'd actually listen to them and contribute something. Then again, Cinder is almost as useless as you (though they're at least putting effort in) so who knows?
That last sentence would normally be left unsaid, since I've got no problem with spreading blatant lies let alone slight doubts about other players and their interactions, since it's in my interests to leave players in the dark where I don't need them to understand (for example, regarding whether or not and why I think a certain player may be town if I'm not making a case on or defending that player).
How would I know? Seriously, do you think I have FoU's notes or something? Maybe WA's or TDS's powers would be suited to an independent but I don't know.Well, you've raised two possible lines of inquiry, so that's clearly not so hard that you can't do it.
Why not build on what you've just said an elaborate as to why wuba or TDS might be third party, and whether or not you think that is likely given their behavior to this point?
You need to let go of mechanics for the most part. They have very little to do with the actual daygame, because the daygame is all about information and finding out who knows more than you and why you shouldn't kill them (note well: the default position is that you should be killing anyone better informed than you, because they're scum).
For meta reasons, I sincerely doubt it. It'd be rather broken to give an independent effective control of the town.cool
Several people agree with you, including me. This means that the town as it stands is would be very resistant of a TDS lynch, even though it's possible now. In this case, we can largely agree that TDS is (still) clear, or at least not scum.
One must ask, what type of non-town exactly could he be, with a power like that, and in most cases the answer is "an unlikely one".
For one who is trying to call me out on "vacuous questions", you sure seem to like asking ones I couldn't possibly know the answer to.Yeah that's usually what happens when you don't have any material for me to ask questions about.
Once you start posting I'll mostly be asking you questions about your posts (your reasoning) and other people's posts (where you will need to speculate and try to take a stance in order to influence me and my position regarding that player and yourself.)
I have the time to write. I just don't know what to write. I could start pointing fingers at people and spew out a lot of conjectures and hope some stick, but I'll need to come up with ideas on WHAT.Yeah basically just do that.
Once we get something going we can discuss that but for now we're basically doing something between flailing and fishing in the brightly lit waters of Day 2.
That said, I'd like your opinion on the following:
TDS is basically clear and we should assume that he is town
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2017, 02:53:08 am
That doesn't mean anything less of them however.
On a re-read, my main focus was on DA and TDS...both whom are unfortunately out of commission--precisely because of their behavior. The latter for the...skippyness his posts have, and the strange lack of context or purely acting on only recentmost posts >_> The former for the same in a lighter way, as noted in the past. The latter is...indisposed (And seriously, that's what a 1 does?! I mean ok it removes an ability but it prevents them speaking? How is THAT helpful?)
For spoilers:
Spoiler: I've paraphrased the Slot machine (click to show/hide)
I'm real tempted to argue on that bolded line, doll. I:
. . .
TDS: Who will you vote?
4mask: Insight on other people?
Flame99: Even if you're not suspecting anyone, who here do you think presents a good idea of other people?
Cinder: Same question.
BHK: Question asked to you beforehand. Also about #10, did you know about it when you got that ability?
webbywubs: Ideas?
Disclaimer: Any text made by Tiruin in a VERY OBVIOUS CONTEXT that may give your mental voice a screaming fit, a poorly worded eyesore, or basically an idea that Tiruin is acting horribly bad because of formatting, is moreso for emphasis rather than her actual behavior.
She is as chill as something between 0 Celsius and 10 Celsius.
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2017, 03:17:37 am
TiruinI'm reading them as silent and uncertain :O Inferring by behavior, I lean along the idea that Flame99 isn't actually active lurking, but by their tone consistently, it may seem like they're not enjoying the game because of reasons unknown (as in, it's not mentioned, and while I may be inferring this, the consistency is too much to assume anything malicious; reading her as town-ish in that sort of regard).
Do you have any reads on Cinder or flame99, and if so what are they?
Cinder is of the opposite in that she is experienced in Mafia in turn, but given the unorthodox START of the game, I can bring up reason that my judgement of activity and content therein may not be the best measurement as the Kingmaker-theme + Y/N really narrows down activity for those who may not be that familiar with how to read others or get to that point in time :O Reading neutral.
However some posts of hers nudge me towny, because of how direct and sincere they come off as. She has also directly claimed..as...being..."the inspection"? So it's really leaning towny because of the implications that has.
Spoiler: Implications for newbies (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Related to the above spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2017, 03:25:23 am
Well I got it too, but I can't use it.So...what abilities do you keep when you revive o_O
Do you keep your auto? :P
Post by: webadict on March 29, 2017, 06:02:45 am
Post by: doll on March 29, 2017, 06:12:34 am
Cinder explictly claimed not-cop ('detective' who only gets role names)
Spoiler: quote pyramid (click to show/hide)
Please do argue with me about TDS.
I agree that I'd rather like him out of the game, but I'm also confident that he's town, so I'm not going to vote him, and I am going to find it very suspicious if you can't build at least one other case during this day.
I'd like to point out at this point that quite a number of things should be able to be intuited about my role.
To add fuel to such a fire, I'll add the following: I can confirm that Tiruin is correct about the slot machine results list.
As an aside, you should probably host that BM right now. We don't have a super-conventional game running or close to doing so, and there is a lot of new blood floating around (I, for one, have not done a BM).
For those that missed it, I've pivoted into position to tunnel Tiruin and flame99 now.
I'd be fairly amazed if they were in a team together (and I'm working with the assumption of 2 mafia purely on moderator WIFOM, both from TBF and the last FBYOR).
I'm tunneling a bite sized (and scum team sized, incidentally) group to avoid drawing votes uselessly onto my surroundings and to keep them packed where I want the pressure (and the lynch).
Well, thank you doll. That's what I've wanted to say for so long. You get a special power tonight.Well, you should have said it then.
The player who worries me the most right now is 4maskwolf, because I don't have a track of where he's at and I suspect he's probably kept up with what I've leaked about my role.
Of course, saying this here is pure WIFOM and leaks information about my role besides. Why would I do that? Am I that confident that I can outwit 4maskwolf? Am I that confident that I can't outwit 4maskwolf? Is this whole thing a charade to encourage posting? Find out tonight only at the WIFOM arena.
Post by: doll on March 29, 2017, 06:18:25 am
You get a special power tonight.So I'm town?
In such a case, it's presently a TDS-webadict-BHK-Tiruin-doll (suspected) townteam, and a Cinder-4maskwolf-flame99 picklist for scum.
flame99
Do you have a killing power?
Is it reliable?
Why am I shifting my stance so rapidly and making so many bold assertions, claims and poses?
Post by: webadict on March 29, 2017, 07:27:21 am
But, yeah, I'm mostly in the same boat. I was a little more hesitant about TDS though, but logically... His power can't be scum. It would be broken. I do wish he'd be wiser about his vote choices though. Which is why I also agree with Tiruin.
Out of the two of Cinder and flame99, I'm more suspicious of Cinder. She's ridiculously quiet, and still hasn't opened up about anything really. Flame is hesistant but I'm not against lynching her either, but she seems to want to try. Hopefully.
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2017, 07:33:24 am
But, yeah, I'm mostly in the same boat. I was a little more hesitant about TDS though, but logically... His power can't be scum. It would be broken. I do wish he'd be wiser about his vote choices though. Which is why I also agree with Tiruin.PFP
This is what I'm seriously questioning--if the MOD gives abilities that make a person really seem one way or another, that's not in fairness to the theme [unless BASIC is quite like this], and if otherwise, I noticed my mistake later on when I re-read it. It DOESN'T bias the person one way or another because it is a TWO part phase ability, rather than an actual Kingmaker theme. They pick; we vote.
It's pretty much like vanilla (which I've posted about...twice I think) that way.
Also...that's some harsh stuff said to Flame o_O I can get pressure. I can't get the usage of 'incompetent'. Even considering semantic technicalities, that's a rough tool from the vocabulary box.
Post by: flame99 on March 29, 2017, 07:58:28 am
flame99Yes. That's definitely what I said, jackass, and not at all that I don't have the knowledge to contribute to the day game. But let's refute this anyways: I haven't claimed to have contributed yet, and the alternative right now is for me to spam the thread with pointless, baseless accusations because that's all I have the know-how to give at the moment. Seeing as that'd just bog down the thread and impede actual discussion, let's not.As I've said again and again, I've not posted much because I have no real idea of what to say."Oh woe is me, I am a new player and refuse to say anything while pretending this somehow contributes to the daygame"
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Webadict has made some rather extreme accusations and went for blood at very little provocation, but everybody seems to be ignoring that, so I guess that's normal. Like I said, I can't contribute much.Did you not read the first half of the thread, or are you just playing dumb? I did make a case against WA and people ignored that case. And please, do kill me; thus far this game has just been stressful and annoying and I'd be fine with being killed.
Why don't you make a big thing about it if everyone is ignoring it?
If you've found what you think are scum, and you're just going to let it sit because other people aren't picking up on it, you're going to struggle to win games no matter how insightful you are.
Furthermore, making a case gives other players the ability to read you. I'm voting you now because you've given out no information on yourself or another player (real information, not barebones mechanical interaction) and have taken a stance where you intend to continue that position. Well, if I don't have any indication that you're town and you're not promising me a chance to get an indication that you're scum, I'll try to kill you now so I don't have to deal with a complete unknown.
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Care to speculate?Okay, fine. I dislike how you've immediately gone for blood with little evidence outside of "you've been a bit quiet," and - oh wait! This is almost the exact case I made against WA, the one that was ignored by everyone and got me labeled as scum! Gee, I can't think of a single reason for me to not want to speculate here.
If someone asks you a question and you don't know the answer in definitive terms (hint: you never will), then give the best answer you can give at this time. Say 'I don't like the feeling of how X did Y' or 'X generated a lot of activity and their case on Z was well reasoned so I'm leaning towards thinking they're town'. The fact that you're not engaging with the daygame is actually scummy in itself, since a low information low activity daygame is usually pro-scum, but in your case maybe you're just new. Guess what? I don't care.
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You're still making the day easier for scum by not forcing out content.This one gets its own quote because I suspect it's just as stupid in the context of skilled mafia players as it is in novices. Let me get this straight:
I am making it easier for scum
Because I'm not forcing out information
The informed minority gets a benefit from more information
And the uninformed majority doesn't benefit from more information.
Cool. Got it.
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Well, you've raised two possible lines of inquiry, so that's clearly not so hard that you can't do it.Sensibility! Rationality! How I've missed that. But, I still can't say much here. My only thought for WA is his wincon might revolve around giving out items, and there may be less incentive to give them to town only as he implies. TDS might have some sort of hidden agenda (I don't exactly know who Shakager is but I gather they're a player with a habit of taking over games, and that seems fitting to me), but i doubt he'd have any real reason to side against the town with how strong his auto was.
Why not build on what you've just said an elaborate as to why wuba or TDS might be third party, and whether or not you think that is likely given their behavior to this point?
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You need to let go of mechanics for the most part. They have very little to do with the actual daygame, because the daygame is all about information and finding out who knows more than you and why you shouldn't kill them (note well: the default position is that you should be killing anyone better informed than you, because they're scum).I've hardly mentioned mechanics. What?
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Do you have a killing power?
Is it reliable?
I do, but it has a "wind up" of sorts (goes off the night after I set it, and I can remove it but not replace it on the second night) , and naturally is a one-shot. I also have an anti roleblock nightly, with the added benefit of removing abilities from those who try to rb my target.
And now, for a special "fuck you"
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unprovoked spiteUnprovoked my ass! I've been insulted and condescended at just about every turn, yourself included, in this fucking game that I don't want to be playing. You also went on in the next breath to insult me, again entirely needlessly, and that's certainly not been new in this thread. Yeah. Un-fucking-provoked. Yes, this is hypocritical after the above post. No, I don't give a shit.
Post by: webadict on March 29, 2017, 08:33:29 am
Post by: flame99 on March 29, 2017, 08:38:10 am
Post by: flame99 on March 29, 2017, 09:25:25 am
Post by: webadict on March 29, 2017, 09:27:44 am
Hm, yeah, good point. As I said, there's not much basis for it.I mean, I could have an ability that negates the risk, though. Or perhaps I calculated the risk to be negligible enough to take. This wouldn't be the first time I have staked everything on a dice roll.
Especially since you have anti-risk in your role.
But why third party? Why not scum?
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2017, 09:31:58 am
Hey flame, here's a curveball for you: How can you justify why I pulled the lever if my wincon revolves around giving away items. ;) I would gain nothing useful and have a 10% chance to literally have no way to win, right?It's actually more than 10% since 4 rolls equal a 'free action being used and you gained nothing but nothing'.
*ahem*
But that's obviously speaking for 'no way to win = losing something' :P
To clarify, I get my kill back if I remove it. I just can't place it again until the following night.Iiis there a reason you claimed your kill (or ability in general)? :O
Post by: flame99 on March 29, 2017, 09:36:27 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2017, 09:39:16 am
Hey flame, here's a curveball for you: How can you justify why I pulled the lever if my wincon revolves around giving away items. ;) I would gain nothing useful and have a 10% chance to literally have no way to win, right?It's actually more than 10% since 4 rolls equal a 'free action being used and you gained nothing but nothing'.
*ahem*
But that's obviously speaking for 'no way to win = losing something' :PTo clarify, I get my kill back if I remove it. I just can't place it again until the following night.Iiis there a reason you claimed your kill (or ability in general)? :OQuoteI did make a case against WA and people ignored that case.I didn't! O_O
Post by: flame99 on March 29, 2017, 09:40:10 am
Unless of course doll is serious about pushing out information being towny behavior.
Post by: webadict on March 29, 2017, 10:14:42 am
Insofar you've claimed to have given out a fair few items. Unless there really are a lot of scum, you couldn't have given them all to teammates who would go along with the lie, not without running out quickly and outing yourself and all your teammates. So, the items are pretty plainly real. Even with as weird as this round has proven, ability wise, I don't think mafia would get a power that rather explicitly aids the town. Also, if you are scum - why claim that power immediately? You could've quietly given them to your friends and let the town go without. Or, if they're traps and you *want* the town to get them, why not send them anonymously? It doesn't really add up. So, you're likely either town or third party.Also, TBF confirmed he recieved an item, so I'd also have to give one to him for no reason at all. The only possibility is that Tiruin is my scumbuddy.
Technically possible. Especially given the circumstances.
But tomorrow I will effortlessly prove to be Townie. Because I will probably die. Or not, who knows? Maybe I'll be invited to a nice sleepover where I won't be horribly murdered.
That aside, why am I trying to convince you I'm town? What exactly do you think I'm trying to do?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 29, 2017, 01:13:10 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 29, 2017, 01:14:54 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2017, 01:46:03 pm
doll: So this is a thing you did in paranormal 25 that bugged me back then too: you make a post that includes your read on me and it's incredibly contradictory. Like in that game, your read consists of a list of everything I've done followed by something equating to "neutral-slight town read". Do explain.
Cinder: You've been flaky on taking a stand all game and decided to roleblock someone who's implied ability was to bring another player into the game. You've seemed more worried throughout the game about seeming like scum rather than actually finding scum, exemplified in the post you made shortly after the hammer yesterday. You still have the ability to vote, even with your silencing from the slot machine, so use that vote to show your suspicions. I'd ask you questions and push you harder but you can't actually speak right now.
The player who worries me the most right now is 4maskwolf, because I don't have a track of where he's at and I suspect he's probably kept up with what I've leaked about my role.Oh please, I'm just a busy person, I post when able and when I have the energy to, you're not going to encourage my posting by pretending I'm some kind of criminal mastermind.
Of course, saying this here is pure WIFOM and leaks information about my role besides. Why would I do that? Am I that confident that I can outwit 4maskwolf? Am I that confident that I can't outwit 4maskwolf? Is this whole thing a charade to encourage posting? Find out tonight only at the WIFOM arena.
Tiruin: My thoughts on the other players are scattered at the moment, I gave my thoughts on some of the more recent events but this isn't the only thing I haven't posted in, I've got several other things I need to catch up on, so I'll be back. In the meantime, i'd like to hear your argument in favor of TDS being scum and why the nature of his only known ability in a game where the town can't necessarily deal with him doesn't heavily imply that he is town.
Post by: doll on March 29, 2017, 02:53:39 pm
doll: So this is a thing you did in paranormal 25 that bugged me back then too: you make a post that includes your read on me and it's incredibly contradictory. Like in that game, your read consists of a list of everything I've done followed by something equating to "neutral-slight town read". Do explain.
4maskwolf calls players out in games they're not playing in, mistakes hunting for scum (via direct rolefishing) for disrupting scum (which should occur in parallel to rolefishing) and RVS for doing work. He's actually been playing a fairly standard and dependable day game so I'm inclined to say that he's worth keeping around.I'll just quickly comment here that the first half of that read was just transparent complaining about you calling me out D1 while I wasn't in the game and a summary of disagreements I have with what you said then.
I'll further note that 'standard and dependable day game' has no reflection on whether you are scum or not, but shows that you are helping the town regardless and so vastly more valuable than a similarly unknown.
That said:
Cinder: You've been flaky on taking a stand all game and decided to roleblock someone who's implied ability was to bring another player into the game. You've seemed more worried throughout the game about seeming like scum rather than actually finding scum, exemplified in the post you made shortly after the hammer yesterday. You still have the ability to vote, even with your silencing from the slot machine, so use that vote to show your suspicions. I'd ask you questions and push you harder but you can't actually speak right now.I'm not seeing this anywhere in Cinder's posts. Could you be more specific?
Yes. That's definitely what I said, jackass, and not at all that I don't have the knowledge to contribute to the day game. But let's refute this anyways: I haven't claimed to have contributed yet, and the alternative right now is for me to spam the thread with pointless, baseless accusations because that's all I have the know-how to give at the moment. Seeing as that'd just bog down the thread and impede actual discussion, let's not.For there to be actual discussion, there needs to be something to actually discuss. Usually that's some form of baseless accusation.
Sure, you 'made a case' except you didn't because you didn't push very hard at all to get him lynched.QuoteWebadict has made some rather extreme accusations and went for blood at very little provocation, but everybody seems to be ignoring that, so I guess that's normal. Like I said, I can't contribute much.Did you not read the first half of the thread, or are you just playing dumb? I did make a case against WA and people ignored that case. And please, do kill me; thus far this game has just been stressful and annoying and I'd be fine with being killed.
Why don't you make a big thing about it if everyone is ignoring it?
If you've found what you think are scum, and you're just going to let it sit because other people aren't picking up on it, you're going to struggle to win games no matter how insightful you are.
Furthermore, making a case gives other players the ability to read you. I'm voting you now because you've given out no information on yourself or another player (real information, not barebones mechanical interaction) and have taken a stance where you intend to continue that position. Well, if I don't have any indication that you're town and you're not promising me a chance to get an indication that you're scum, I'll try to kill you now so I don't have to deal with a complete unknown.
Commenting on your suspicions is not the same thing as trying to get someone lynched.
Neither can I.QuoteCare to speculate?Okay, fine. I dislike how you've immediately gone for blood with little evidence outside of "you've been a bit quiet," and - oh wait! This is almost the exact case I made against WA, the one that was ignored by everyone and got me labeled as scum! Gee, I can't think of a single reason for me to not want to speculate here.
If someone asks you a question and you don't know the answer in definitive terms (hint: you never will), then give the best answer you can give at this time. Say 'I don't like the feeling of how X did Y' or 'X generated a lot of activity and their case on Z was well reasoned so I'm leaning towards thinking they're town'. The fact that you're not engaging with the daygame is actually scummy in itself, since a low information low activity daygame is usually pro-scum, but in your case maybe you're just new. Guess what? I don't care.
So speculate.
I don't know what you're trying to say here because that was literally the opposite of what I said:QuoteYou're still making the day easier for scum by not forcing out content.This one gets its own quote because I suspect it's just as stupid in the context of skilled mafia players as it is in novices. Let me get this straight:
I am making it easier for scum
Because I'm not forcing out information
The informed minority gets a benefit from more information
And the uninformed majority doesn't benefit from more information.
Cool. Got it.
What I am claiming is that by not contributing to the daygame, you aren't providing the opportunity to read players (yourself and others) and thus aren't helping town (and are therefore helping scum).
In other words, town needs more information, which you are not providing.
Why did you answer this? Is there any particular reason for you to have done so? How does it benefit your team?QuoteDo you have a killing power?
Is it reliable?you need to let go ono, that's petty even for me
I do, but it has a "wind up" of sorts (goes off the night after I set it, and I can remove it but not replace it on the second night) , and naturally is a one-shot. I also have an anti roleblock nightly, with the added benefit of removing abilities from those who try to rb my target.
Uh, maybe some of us actually want to be playing, and don't appreciate having someone join a game they don't want to be in, refuse to play, and make a big fuss about it not being what they want?Quoteunprovoked spiteUnprovoked my ass! I've been insulted and condescended at just about every turn, yourself included, in this fucking game that I don't want to be playing. You also went on in the next breath to insult me, again entirely needlessly, and that's certainly not been new in this thread. Yeah. Un-fucking-provoked. Yes, this is hypocritical after the above post. No, I don't give a shit.
Post by: hops on March 29, 2017, 03:27:35 pm
Post by: webadict on March 29, 2017, 03:30:29 pm
Post by: flame99 on March 29, 2017, 04:31:18 pm
Post by: webadict on March 29, 2017, 05:27:20 pm
So, I've decided to drop out. I've been talking with Cinny and the stress has been getting to me more than I've really been aware of, and it's starting to concern them. Sorry Tir; I'm willing to suffer through this myself but I'm not going to worry someone for the sake of a promise.Peace out, brah.
Flame99. I don't think he's scum, but we're not likely to get a replacement.
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2017, 05:27:56 pm
Wow, RNGesus has cursed us.PFP
Of course, I GET A TEN. >_>
TiruinEh? o_O
Ok this is weird .-.; I would consider it being a prod or something but...considering the most recent event-???
And you can't explain it D:
Sooo...I was in your suspicious or...?
I seriously don't think Cin should be lynched .-.;
So, I've decided to drop out. I've been talking with Cinny and the stress has been getting to me more than I've really been aware of, and it's starting to concern them. Sorry Tir; I'm willing to suffer through this myself but I'm not going to worry someone for the sake of a promise.:(
Wait you were brought here on a promise? I just mentioned that "hey a mafia game is up and the players are alright folks :D"
Otherwise, the format is
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[b]Request Replacement[/b]Someone could...post in the banter thread .-.; [also she]So, I've decided to drop out. I've been talking with Cinny and the stress has been getting to me more than I've really been aware of, and it's starting to concern them. Sorry Tir; I'm willing to suffer through this myself but I'm not going to worry someone for the sake of a promise.Peace out, brah.
Flame99. I don't think he's scum, but we're not likely to get a replacement.
Post by: flame99 on March 29, 2017, 05:43:50 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 29, 2017, 06:06:33 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 29, 2017, 06:07:46 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 29, 2017, 06:08:03 pm
Post by: webadict on March 29, 2017, 08:37:34 pm
Post by: webadict on March 29, 2017, 08:57:45 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2017, 11:09:50 pm
Alright, TheDarkStar and Cinder. If you need to answer a question, vote Tiruin for Yes and Webadict for No. Vote doll for maybe.I love you, Web :V
TiruinOF COURSE.
That cements it in my mind. Cinder.Err...
The thoughts I had back there was Cin doing stuff to get people talking considering what she has said about trying dialogue in the days back then.
But why did you vote Flame99 when you had what seems to be a better read on Cinder?
CinderWhy Cinder? o_O
I feel bad for TheDarkStar. I'm not sure if he thinks that Tiruin and I are scum, or what exactly he believes, but I'm happy I can vote again.I wish he had as much posts as he had four times posts with votes--he has lesser than 11 posts today. (It's 10.)
Like seriously. You can check. :-\
And that's why I'm worried about him >_< IRL assumptions!
PFP lunchbreak.
Alright, TheDarkStar and Cinder. If you need to answer a question, vote Tiruin for Yes and Webadict for No. Vote doll for maybe.
Well I'm a cipher :V
Cinder: Did you vote me because of something you did last night onto me?
TDS: DO you seriously believe I'm scum because of my attitude ONLY? [Y/N] Because I seem somewhat D:<'ey?
I would really like to humor you in monologue if your answer is yes. If your answer is no (and then probably you'll just vote me again just cuz :V), I'd like...something of actual essence when you finally are able to speak.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 30, 2017, 12:40:01 am
Post by: hops on March 30, 2017, 02:56:49 am
Post by: hops on March 30, 2017, 02:57:09 am
Post by: doll on March 30, 2017, 05:54:50 am
If you need to answer a question, vote Tiruin for Yes and Webadict for No. Vote doll for maybe.I feel like this sums up the current meta of the entire sub-forum
Cinder
Flame99. I don't think he's scum, but we're not likely to get a replacement.I mean, you're not wrong, but as far as lynching town goes I'd rather kill TDS than an empty slot at this point.
The case on Cinder is pretty airtight, though there's not much point leveraging pressure and most people already see it so I'm only going to elaborate if (Tiruin) really has a problem with it. The highlights are:
A) Cinder is intentionally avoiding contributing
A1) Cinder has posted with some fair degree of clarity, and outlined in distinct detail how she could be playing, but hasn't been playing that way
A2) With several questions to them waiting to be answered, Cinder deliberately used a daypower item with a 1/5 chance of leaving them silent for the day
B) Cinder is playing against the town
B1) Cinder spent Day 1 trying to avoid a lynch and was partially responsible for the travesty of a double no-lynch
B2) Cinder is showing suspicion exclusively towards very towny players right now. Yes, TDS (town) is doing this as well, but it's still a scumtell. Yes, Tiruin is mostly riding on Webadict's towntell. No, this isn't a strong indicator.
B3) Cinder hasn't made a case on anyone.
C) Cinder's roleclaim is suspicious
C1) Their roleclaim is a very weak investigative role, with no further commentary thereon
C2) Investigative roles in this game are very strong, whereas Cinder's claimed investigation (which she is presenting as the main point her of role vis a vis her delivery of the partial claim)
C2一) Webadict's (incidental) investigation targets two players and has whatever effects it has (which he has been selling as quite insightful), and he has starting knowledge of role flavors
C2二) I am an investigative role, and my investigative power is seriously strong.
Post by: doll on March 30, 2017, 05:57:05 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 30, 2017, 06:05:09 am
...
Two questions (maybe 3):
> Would you have voted for me before you rolled the slot machine?
> If the answer to the above is a yes; double vote me as a yes to here--did you have trouble coming up with a case towards me but felt like I'm scum?
> You can still converse in PMs with the mod, right? [I'm assuming a yes, obviously, here, so tack this onto the list of Tiruins or Webadicts]
> Are you voting me because you think I'm scum? [Pretty blatant but the vote on me was out of nowhere from my perspective?]
webadictSo...that's a No then?
As in
TDS: DO you seriously believe I'm scum because of my attitude ONLY? [Y/N] Because I seem somewhat D:<'ey?Then No.
So the list of people you voted are your suspects then. :O Got it.
Also you ALL can put your votes in the same post. :P FoU will ALWAYS read the latest vote.
And to avoid vote shenanigans--votecount please, FoU. Shenanigans in question being 'ghost votes' or whichever hilarity ability makes that <_< I have flahsbacks from FoU's Mafia-YoR games that had that happen.
PPE: Ohai doll
Post by: webadict on March 30, 2017, 07:17:11 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 30, 2017, 11:53:59 am
flame99 has been replaced by juicebox.
Votecount incoming.
Votecount:
TheDarkStar(1): [Tiruin]
Tiruin(1): [Cinder]
webadict(1): [TheDarkStar]
doll(0): []
Cinder(3): [4maskwolf, doll, webadict]
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
juicebox(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting: BlackHeartKabal, juicebox
Day ends 4:00 P.M. Central/Forum time today. About 5 hours from now.
Post by: webadict on March 30, 2017, 01:46:38 pm
Post by: doll on March 30, 2017, 02:31:36 pm
Post by: hops on March 30, 2017, 03:44:45 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 30, 2017, 04:12:51 pm
For want of other targets, I'd suggest 4maskwolf.Don't do this, I have a kill-specific revive so it'd be a waste of everyone's time. If you think I'm scum you're better off lynching me.
juicebox: Welcome.
Post by: webadict on March 30, 2017, 04:36:11 pm
By that logic, doing so would validate your claim and therefore be a good idea.For want of other targets, I'd suggest 4maskwolf.Don't do this, I have a kill-specific revive so it'd be a waste of everyone's time. If you think I'm scum you're better off lynching me.
juicebox: Welcome.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 30, 2017, 04:41:51 pm
From a certain persepctive, yes, yes it would. However, should I be town it wastes a tool in the town's arsenal while if I'm scum it has no appreciable effect either way, since I wouldn't revive from a lynch regardless. It also serves to effectively waste a night for the vigilante, who could be targeting other people who are possibly scum, and I could simply be lynched the next day if process of elimination turned me up to be scum.By that logic, doing so would validate your claim and therefore be a good idea.For want of other targets, I'd suggest 4maskwolf.Don't do this, I have a kill-specific revive so it'd be a waste of everyone's time. If you think I'm scum you're better off lynching me.
juicebox: Welcome.
This is, of course, predicated on you all believing my claim, which contradicts a previous claim where I said I have only one ability in my role, but I'm sure that if anyone thinks for a moment they'll understand why I would keep that ability a secret.
Post by: Tiruin on March 30, 2017, 05:08:00 pm
juicebox ready your kill tonight. There's no guarantee that we will see Day 5. For want of other targets, I'd suggest 4maskwolf.So we've juicebox [flame99], we've BHK, and probably other vigs around there. BHK has it as an ability; unsure if Flame's is one-shot or not.
Interesting. :O My earlier feels of the scumteam playing safe seem to be founded. But who is pretty much not.
PFP
Why did you claim to an innocuous question?From a certain persepctive, yes, yes it would. However, should I be town it wastes a tool in the town's arsenal while if I'm scum it has no appreciable effect either way, since I wouldn't revive from a lynch regardless. It also serves to effectively waste a night for the vigilante, who could be targeting other people who are possibly scum, and I could simply be lynched the next day if process of elimination turned me up to be scum.By that logic, doing so would validate your claim and therefore be a good idea.For want of other targets, I'd suggest 4maskwolf.Don't do this, I have a kill-specific revive so it'd be a waste of everyone's time. If you think I'm scum you're better off lynching me.
juicebox: Welcome.
This is, of course, predicated on you all believing my claim, which contradicts a previous claim where I said I have only one ability in my role, but I'm sure that if anyone thinks for a moment they'll understand why I would keep that ability a secret.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 30, 2017, 05:57:08 pm
Votecount:
TheDarkStar(1): [Tiruin]
Tiruin(1): [Cinder]
webadict(1): [TheDarkStar]
doll(0): []
Cinder(3): [4maskwolf, doll, webadict]
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
juicebox(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting: BlackHeartKabal, juicebox
Day ends 4:00 P.M. Central/Forum time today. Basically, two hours ago.
"Looks like Cinder's going to be lynched! Well, let's get this done with! Take her out, L.Y.N.C.H!"
It was a single gunshot. That was all that was needed to execute Cinder. One shot to the brain.
Lynch complete. Analysis follows.
Cinder was Love Doctor(town):
(Night): A Long Chat [target]: You take a long chat with your target, preventing them from doing whatever they had planned tonight(in other words, you roleblock them). In the course of this chatting, you will eventually establish a sort of rapport with them: the second time you use this on a given player, you’ll learn their role name.
(1-Shot, Night): A Spritz of Love [target]: You spray your target in the face with a mind-affecting drug that induces intense compassion and caring towards another player of your choice(which can be you). Your target will vote for whoever your choice votes for at the end of the next day, and they will automatically use Sacrificial Protect on your choice the next night.
(Reference): (Night): Sacrificial Protect [target]: If your target would be hit by a night kill, you are hit instead. This only works for one night kill.
But of course, the slot machines didn't last, fading into oblivion.
All Slot Machine abilities vanish now that the phase is over.
"Well, that was something. Looks like you folks guessed wrong. The villains are still at large! To the night with you!"
Night begins. Night ends 6:00 P.M. Monday, Central/Forum time. Send in your actions!
Post by: hops on March 31, 2017, 04:35:50 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 31, 2017, 06:27:55 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 31, 2017, 07:19:16 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 03, 2017, 06:49:47 pm
Spoiler: Somebody's dead.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 03, 2017, 07:28:31 pm
webadict was killed during the night.
Analysis:
webadict was Merchant with a Caravan of Exotic Goods(town):
Spoiler: A little long (click to show/hide)
"Well, that was interesting. Shame he died. Would have loved to see him pass out all those chaos causing beauties. Oh well. Ahem. Day 3 begins!"
Votecount:
TheDarkStar(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
doll(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
juicebox(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting: BlackHeartKabal, juicebox, TheDarkStar, Tiruin, doll, 4maskwolf
Day Ends 7:20 P.M. Central/Forum time Thursday. Or so. There was no ghost vote.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 03, 2017, 07:52:54 pm
I attempted to roll dice with doll, stakes being their lives.
They blocked it and attempted to stab me with a hot poker. I believe that nullifying a kill attempt makes you pretty non mafia, since it'd be absurd to make mafia kill immune. Right? Right?!
Oh, I was also given the Deck of Many Things.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 03, 2017, 07:55:47 pm
Post by: webadict on April 03, 2017, 07:59:52 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 03, 2017, 09:15:16 pm
Post by: doll on April 04, 2017, 01:09:42 am
Let's recap.This is correct, you did try to place dice with me. I wasn't told what the stakes were.
I attempted to roll dice with doll, stakes being their lives.
They blocked it and attempted to stab me with a hot poker. I believe that nullifying a kill attempt makes you pretty non mafia, since it'd be absurd to make mafia kill immune. Right? Right?!
I have an (auto) ability which, and I am quite serious, makes me immune to certain abilities, but I am not told what those abilities are.
From the flavor I assumed it would be immunity to mind effecting abilities (like vote control or w/e). Was a death the only possible outcome of you rolling dice with me last night?
Juicebox, mind outlining what you ended up deciding to do last night, since apparently you've got a kill waiting on someone?
Tiruin, mind outlining any relevant parts of your role you feel you should share with us, since you have a Webadict item and have claimed your rolename but not, to my knowledge, any powers.
4maskwolf, did you do anything last night that you want to share with the class?
BHK, I'd ask you if the Deck does anything worth mentioning, but at the same time it's a Deck of Many Things so I'm pretty sure the only real answer to that is 'Many Things'.
TDS so your Shakeragian power was your only power?
Incidentally, are you claiming to have visited no-one last night?
Webadict didn't get me anything. I don't know if he tried to or not.
Post by: juicebox on April 04, 2017, 01:32:41 am
Now as for my questions:
4mask: I'd like to see some reads from you please
TDS: If you have an actual case on Tiruin, I'd like to hear it please
Doll: You say that TDS is clear because his role, but it seems to me that it was balanced for both town and mafia. Do you have anything else that clears him? Also, who are you suspicious of?
Post by: Tiruin on April 04, 2017, 02:57:18 am
Hello everyone. My time bomb has been set to explode tomorrow. Who have I set it on? TDS?, 4mask?, Doll? Or is this a bluff? What I will say is that I might disarm it, if I get some good answers from my target.Important.
> Why did you do that?
> It is a specific person or it is multiple people?
>...Your good answers come from interaction and asking.
Yet you have only asked 3 people.
Have you gained or gleaned anything thus far from the previous days?
>> What time 'tomorrow' does that occur? Tonight? Day tomorrow?
Tiruin, mind outlining any relevant parts of your role you feel you should share with us, since you have a Webadict item and have claimed your rolename but not, to my knowledge, any powers.Knowing he gave you stuff before he ded, I do believe I have one thing here.
Me and wubbywubs shared info on a lot of things lately--I have an open request for anyone who wishes to join me for tonight. Who would like to join me! :D I would suggest BHK in the least, thanks to my and web's notes, to accept.
I am aware that webby did act last night and a few other folks here are open to ideas.
4maskwolf
BHK
Doll
TDS
Juicebox
>> How goes your quicktopic?
THing is--web planned to gift and then collapse the QTs together. >_>
This is...his parting gift in a way, so hello light-investigates :3
Webadict didn't get me anything. I don't know if he tried to or not.REALLY NOW O_O
Doll: I am now suspicious of you until I get FoU's feedback. :V
...In part because it's all in the QT with Web .-.; so it's not a vote.
Nothing happened to me. I'm also a vanilla townie due to what happened yesterday.Sure you are.
Can you back it up with something directly understandable, please, because since ever your viewpoint has lacked this sense of directness, and moreso the sense of general ideas. It's nice to note that 'nothing' happened to you. :v
And I think these days are seemingly nice for a massclaim.
TBF: I also think that, barring any circumstances abiding--today is a good day for you to RETURN.
Post by: juicebox on April 04, 2017, 06:23:29 am
PFP because of reasons (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=42204.msg7412483#msg7412483)Hello everyone. My time bomb has been set to explode tomorrow. Who have I set it on? TDS?, 4mask?, Doll? Or is this a bluff? What I will say is that I might disarm it, if I get some good answers from my target.Important.
> Why did you do that?
> It is a specific person or it is multiple people?
>...Your good answers come from interaction and asking.
Yet you have only asked 3 people.
Have you gained or gleaned anything thus far from the previous days?PFP because of reasons (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=42204.msg7412483#msg7412483)Hello everyone. My time bomb has been set to explode tomorrow. Who have I set it on? TDS?, 4mask?, Doll? Or is this a bluff? What I will say is that I might disarm it, if I get some good answers from my target.Important.
> Why did you do that?
> It is a specific person or it is multiple people?
>...Your good answers come from interaction and asking.
Yet you have only asked 3 people.
Have you gained or gleaned anything thus far from the previous days?
>> What time 'tomorrow' does that occur? Tonight? Day tomorrow?
Basically, I'm attempting to use the threat of the bomb to pressure multiple people, and also trying to have a little bit of fun with my role. And don't worry, your questions will come soon enough.
Also, by tomorrow I mean N3
Post by: doll on April 04, 2017, 06:40:58 am
TDS's role is only balanced for town and mafia if town has more reliable access to a way to kill him than you (1 shot, timedelay) or BHK (literally as likely to kill himself as his target, absolutely unreliable in any case).
For reference, I don't have a kill.
BHK
Why'd you try to kill me anyway?
Also I don't like the idea that 'kill protection is a non-mafia trait'. Not only is it not true in the general sense, (hostile) third parties are have kill protection semi-frequently. In particular, Webadict's roleflip suggests that there may (though there may not) be third parties.
Post by: doll on April 04, 2017, 07:58:22 am
Do you have anything else that clears him? Also, who are you suspicious of?No. I have nothing to clear TDS. I'm actually more suspicious of him after the night and especially after his claim to have only had one ability. During the night, I kept coming back to the thought of a 1 man scumteam TDS. Now, this seems absurd and unlikely given TBF's role text, and the fact that it basically turns the game into a bastard. However, with the Webadict role revelations and his claim, I'm inclined to consider alternatively; perhaps TDS's extremely anti-town game is because he's a survivor. Now, I doubt this, particularly in light of how easily TBF could change the numbers against town's favor (TBF's role in general is almost one I'd prefer never existed, though I do know that if he hadn't been roleblocked I'd be playing as a highly caffeinated and oversweetened cup of coffee rather than as a mary sue written by a sub-par children's author and furthermore have the advantage of being rolled onto a team where I am an 'extra member' beyond the balanced limits); regardless, he isn't clear and I wouldn't mind his being killed by, say, the wrath of god.
I haven't posted a reads list this game (has anyone?) so I'll do that now.
TBF: I also think that, barring any circumstances abiding--today is a good day for you to RETURN.As a town player, I agree strongly with this sentiment.
Reads, from most to least happy to lynch today:
2/3 are scum
4maskwolf
There's nothing wrong with his play, other than where he claimed that Cinder was responsible for TBF's being blocked (which so far as I can tell is a false narrative), and the vagueness of the information he has given out about his role (consider; what is now an 'earlier claim' to having one ability is his having used the phrase 'my ability'), and the way he took action to redirect the kill rather than just claiming his ability and letting the vig decide what to do. Actually suspicious enough to vote. 4maskwolf
Juicebox
Replaced over a phenomenally unhelpful and generally inactive player, has continued to be pretty unhelpful. Asks for reads but doesn't provide them. Has a claimed killing power, but is trying to use it as pressure in a really poor way. Didn't target me last night, even though it would have been the logical choice.
Tiruin
Very strong daygame, supported by a lack of suspicion from a very townie town player who had her in a quicktopic for some time. Really, townie all around.
meta clear
BlackHeartKabal
Solid daygame for quite some time, claim has been externally verified, claimed own action in multiple cases, has been using core ability in precisely the way I would as town, core ability seems odd for mafia to have.
TheDarkStar
It's TheDarkStar. He's useless and plays against the town, but so did the town player we lynched, and his ability easily creates the situation where he would be highly disengaged from the game.
cute girl trapped in an old hag's body
doll
It's me, I'm me, don't lynch me.
Post by: Tiruin on April 04, 2017, 11:14:14 am
@Doll: Would like input from you there. :P
Also you tried to kill BHK or...? given his post there?
Alsoalso a metaclear on TDS because of his role ABILITY doesn't equate with a clear on their alignment. :v Denoting FoU's note of how alignment + roles are done == isolated from each other; latter first, then former randomized.
cute girl trapped in an old hag's bodyOld person gets hugs either way :I Then gets back to playing Mafia because these dudes be pretty precarious.
doll
It's me, I'm me, don't lynch me.
Also would love TBF's or anyone's input on my suggestion for him returning--because I considered that swaying either way, now would be a TON better than MYLO or LYLO considering anything outside of vote-manipulation abilities.
Somehow I recall somewhere on the Mafia boards that someone would mention if it WAS LYLO/MYLO, but trying to search it here gives no results. Somehow I'm attaching that idea to 'FoU said this' >_<
BHKKill protection can also be a Mafia trait actually :O Considering the LOTS of people with kills around (*AHEM*), I'm seeing it as a neutral mark.
Why'd you try to kill me anyway?
Also I don't like the idea that 'kill protection is a non-mafia trait'. Not only is it not true in the general sense, (hostile) third parties are have kill protection semi-frequently. In particular, Webadict's roleflip suggests that there may (though there may not) be third parties.
...Also I still don't understand BHK's post. :P But I trust him so syrups.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 04, 2017, 11:16:44 am
Post by: doll on April 04, 2017, 03:00:03 pm
Also you tried to kill BHK or...? given his post there?He tried to kill me using his ability (which has an equal chance of killing either of us so far as I can tell).
I have an ability which makes me immune to some undisclosed specific abilities, but I do not know what they are.
I presume that that ability blocked his kill.
I said TBF should come back at mylo/lylo because:
For lylo: either he rolls scum and wins, or he rolls town and town has an extra, clear player (and so are much better off than where they were, since he is town while dead)
For mylo: either he rolls scum and probably wins, or he rolls town and town is better off than it used to be because we're out of mylo and have a ml.
For reference, we're at mylo, so it's probably in his interests to come back in.
@Doll: Would like input from you there. :POn what?
Webadict? So far as I can tell, he didn't interact with me last night.
Post by: doll on April 04, 2017, 03:26:17 pm
Tiruin (and others)
Do you still have an active quicktopic with Webadict?
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 04, 2017, 04:19:41 pm
TDS: If you have an actual case on Tiruin, I'd like to hear it please
My case on Tiruin was essentially that I saw her and webadict colluding and Tiruin was behaving much differently than her meta. However, since the later part of yesterday she's been behaving much more normally. In addition, webadict flipped town.
Hello everyone. My time bomb has been set to explode tomorrow. Who have I set it on? TDS?, 4mask?, Doll? Or is this a bluff? What I will say is that I might disarm it, if I get some good answers from my target.
Why did you take this approach? If I preemptively refuse to answer questions from you until you claim who you set the bomb on, what will you do? Also, I'm worried that "good answers" is really subjective - if you were scum, it would be the perfect excuse to get rid of an annoying town player.
TDS so your Shakeragian power was your only power?
Incidentally, are you claiming to have visited no-one last night?
Why are you rolefishing?
4maskwolf
BHK
Doll
TDS
Juicebox
>> How goes your quicktopic?
Nonexistent - webadict never gave me anything.
Nothing happened to me. I'm also a vanilla townie due to what happened yesterday.Sure you are.
Can you back it up with something directly understandable, please, because since ever your viewpoint has lacked this sense of directness, and moreso the sense of general ideas. It's nice to note that 'nothing' happened to you. :v
My role was literally one designed to have the only vote whether I'm living or dead. Now I lost that power and I'm a vanilla townie. I did nothing last night and as far as I know nothing happened to me.
Post by: Tiruin on April 04, 2017, 05:24:23 pm
EBWOP:Yes. :P I'm storing all my notes there since FoU explicitly--well at least by post-flip--wrote that it's still active. So yeah. I did ask in the QT if it can be used by him in deadchat but that's what I infer; got no response from FoU so I dumped my notes until now anyway in there, still presuming upon the one note.
Tiruin (and others)
Do you still have an active quicktopic with Webadict?
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(1-Shot, Day): Trade Network: You can no longer use Market Research and Sales Pitch(they become Unusable), and all quicktopics made by Sales Pitch are closed. You gain a quicktopic with all living players you previously successfully used Sales Pitch on. You learn if there are any third parties in the quicktopic. Living players in the quicktopic may use Trade. If you die, the quicktopic remains intact.Although he HAS NOT used this ability, I do not know if that last bit is applicable because perhaps FoU misplaced his 'retaining sentences' in another ability but yeah >_>
I still have a quicktopic. Unsure if active. Webadict can't post there presumably or hasn't yet--I've not seen him post; he's dead. (Usually dead people can't use the past quicktopics, or at least can't POST in them--in previous games Mafia can comment in deadchat about their partner, as I've seen though, but unsure in this case so I asked and still lack a response)
W-wasn't your case before that to something I'm unsure about ...although looking back it is sensible in retrospect given the time in between and your posts. :vTDS: If you have an actual case on Tiruin, I'd like to hear it please
My case on Tiruin was essentially that I saw her and webadict colluding and Tiruin was behaving much differently than her meta. However, since the later part of yesterday she's been behaving much more normally. In addition, webadict flipped town.
I-um...am unsure but it seems literally everyone missed it. Above the (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=162673.msg7412490#msg7412490) bolded list was a bolded question for everyone sans FoU and dead people (...I've no idea if they're possible to be included but eh :V assuming normal mafia rules that you can't target ded people unless explicitly said otherwise)@Doll: Would like input from you there. :POn what?
Webadict? So far as I can tell, he didn't interact with me last night.
My role was literally one designed to have the only vote whether I'm living or dead. Now I lost that power and I'm a vanilla townie. I did nothing last night and as far as I know nothing happened to me.
Really? o_O Emphasis on my reading the: "Dead", part.
I doubt it given how it works. :^ How would it work if you died then?
As in, my I doubt it bits are more 'he has another ability; unsure whether one shot or not but that vote thing is an auto'.
Post by: juicebox on April 04, 2017, 07:20:02 pm
Juicebox
TDS's role is only balanced for town and mafia if town has more reliable access to a way to kill him than you (1 shot, timedelay) or BHK (literally as likely to kill himself as his target, absolutely unreliable in any case).
For reference, I don't have a kill.
That's interesting, since your predecessor not only claimed a kill, but threatened to use it on TDS
a mary sue written by a sub-par children's author.
I take offense to this :P :P :P
Juicebox
Replaced over a phenomenally unhelpful and generally inactive player, has continued to be pretty unhelpful. Asks for reads but doesn't provide them. Has a claimed killing power, but is trying to use it as pressure in a really poor way. Didn't target me last night, even though it would have been the logical choice
You were one of my top choices, if that makes you feel any better. As for my reads, going off N2:
TDS: Highly supicious behavior, hasn't been making very good cases, attempted to lynch Tiruin based on a very weak case. Getting scum vibes off him
Tiruin: Null read
Doll: My gut feeling says scum, but based off of in-game behavior it's a null read
4mask: Null read mainly because he hasn't posted much.
BHK: Leaning town at the moment. All his actions seem to be geared towards helping townTDS: If you have an actual case on Tiruin, I'd like to hear it please
My case on Tiruin was essentially that I saw her and webadict colluding and Tiruin was behaving much differently than her meta. However, since the later part of yesterday she's been behaving much more normally. In addition, webadict flipped town.Hello everyone. My time bomb has been set to explode tomorrow. Who have I set it on? TDS?, 4mask?, Doll? Or is this a bluff? What I will say is that I might disarm it, if I get some good answers from my target.
Why did you take this approach? If I preemptively refuse to answer questions from you until you claim who you set the bomb on, what will you do? Also, I'm worried that "good answers" is really subjective - if you were scum, it would be the perfect excuse to get rid of an annoying town player.TDS so your Shakeragian power was your only power?
Incidentally, are you claiming to have visited no-one last night?
Why are you rolefishing?4maskwolf
BHK
Doll
TDS
Juicebox
>> How goes your quicktopic?
Nonexistent - webadict never gave me anything.Nothing happened to me. I'm also a vanilla townie due to what happened yesterday.Sure you are.
Can you back it up with something directly understandable, please, because since ever your viewpoint has lacked this sense of directness, and moreso the sense of general ideas. It's nice to note that 'nothing' happened to you. :v
My role was literally one designed to have the only vote whether I'm living or dead. Now I lost that power and I'm a vanilla townie. I did nothing last night and as far as I know nothing happened to me.
Who are you suspicious of now then?
And like I told Tiruin, I chose that approach, because I wanted to use the threat of my time bomb to pressure people. And you refused to answer my questions I would attempt to pressure you in a different manner.4maskwolf
BHK
Doll
TDS
Juicebox
>> How goes your quicktopic?
I don't have a quicktopic either, nor did I get anything from webadict.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 04, 2017, 07:54:39 pm
My role was literally one designed to have the only vote whether I'm living or dead. Now I lost that power and I'm a vanilla townie. I did nothing last night and as far as I know nothing happened to me.
Really? o_O Emphasis on my reading the: "Dead", part.
I doubt it given how it works. :^ How would it work if you died then?
As in, my I doubt it bits are more 'he has another ability; unsure whether one shot or not but that vote thing is an auto'.
After I died, I would have gotten to vote anyway (but I couldn't say anything otherwise).
Post by: doll on April 05, 2017, 01:23:20 am
We're not going to lynch him though.
This was never a case. Acting outside of one's meta has never been scummy; what's scummy is acting inside of one's scum meta.TDS: If you have an actual case on Tiruin, I'd like to hear it please
My case on Tiruin was essentially that I saw her and webadict colluding and Tiruin was behaving much differently than her meta. However, since the later part of yesterday she's been behaving much more normally. In addition, webadict flipped town.
Webadict was the towniest town that ever towned and my predecessor made better decisions than I did, but even I've been colluding with Webadict since I joined. Because he was town.
Also, there's nothing wrong with collusion. You've outlined a series of 'facts', most of which aren't true, then in some cases claimed that they are scummy and in others merely left them to sit, and in no case have to given an actual reason to have thought she was scum; instead, you've tried your best to write an excuse for exclusively going after the towniest players you could find during Day 2.
See, while you're correct that his approach is awful, your plan to deliberately avoid giving out answers to questions isn't really one which helps the town, and the later part of this post is purely an excuse to try and dissuade him from killing you out of fear of being lynched if you flip town.Hello everyone. My time bomb has been set to explode tomorrow. Who have I set it on? TDS?, 4mask?, Doll? Or is this a bluff? What I will say is that I might disarm it, if I get some good answers from my target.
Why did you take this approach? If I preemptively refuse to answer questions from you until you claim who you set the bomb on, what will you do? Also, I'm worried that "good answers" is really subjective - if you were scum, it would be the perfect excuse to get rid of an annoying town player.
Incidentally, if you somehow weren't able to glean from my earlier post that the bomb is on you, I'll tell you now that the bomb is on you.
Asking you to clarify your fullclaim is not rolefishing. Here you are, throwing doubt on a player for no reason at all.TDS so your Shakeragian power was your only power?
Incidentally, are you claiming to have visited no-one last night?
Why are you rolefishing?
I am also rolefishing. I am not fishing for the role of the player who fullclaimed (yet who is cagey about my fishing out his role?) but I am fishing for information about other players because that is how you find scum. In my case, that extends to the actions and activity of other players, because I am an information role and have access to information that other players do not.
I find it interesting how you've now claimed to retain the vote after you died. See, that's the sort of power which scum just couldn't have if they were on a team, since it would make their teammate unlynchable as well, and that seems unlikely. But when have we seen this claim? Why, only after it's become obvious to all that your life is in danger, as both the scummiest player here and the one with the bomb on them.Nothing happened to me. I'm also a vanilla townie due to what happened yesterday.Sure you are.
Can you back it up with something directly understandable, please, because since ever your viewpoint has lacked this sense of directness, and moreso the sense of general ideas. It's nice to note that 'nothing' happened to you. :v
My role was literally one designed to have the only vote whether I'm living or dead. Now I lost that power and I'm a vanilla townie. I did nothing last night and as far as I know nothing happened to me.
TBF going IN today is actually bad for us if scum don't have a lylo breaker, since it means we still lose if he rolls scum and either the vote or the kill hits, while at present we aren't out yet if one of two of our kills (vote + Juicebox) hit scum (presumably, one out of TDS, 4mask, Juicebox or myself). Normally I wouldn't bet against scum having a lylo breaker in a setup of this powerlevel, but if TDS is scum they probably don't have a lylo breaker.
Still waiting for 4maskwolf to talk, so it seems pointless to apply more pressure to him before he's had a chance to say something.
I'm going to be very busy over the next 104 hours. I might play a very minimal amount over that time.
Post by: doll on April 05, 2017, 01:25:06 am
Sure, I'll join you at night. I might be immune to it though.
Also, I'm fairly certain that most people (myself in any case) thought that you were talking about something to do with Webadict's quicktopics when you posted that.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 05, 2017, 04:02:05 pm
doll: Your case on me is lazy and speaks to your inattention to the thread. Cinder claimed the roleblock in the thread:
Yes, I'm vague about my role, that's a safety feature. I'm still wary of roles that utilize the rolenames or ability names of others to perform effects like Cheeetar in the five SK BYOR. Additionally, I like to be very thorough in what I say: I said "going back on my earlier claim" because if I didn't some clown would decide to say "lol 4mask lier implied only one ability", which yes, I did imply one ability, specifically because I was trying to keep the other a secret for what should be obvious reasons.Okay, Cinder, then who did you inspect last Night?TBF. This has the effect of roleblocking him.
Now, on to your next accusation: no, I did not try to redirect the kill. My exact words were:
I then, when questioned by webadict, explained why it would be a waste of time, an explanation that, yes, did include the words "the vigilante could target someone else". And of course I don't want the kill targeted at me, who does? This isn't Paranormal 25, we haven't broken the setup, there's no reason for me to lie down and take a kill to the face since it wouldn't actually benefit the town. But there's nothing I can do to stop juicebox other than ask him not to and explain why it would be a bad idea: he still got to make up his own mind.For want of other targets, I'd suggest 4maskwolf.Don't do this, I have a kill-specific revive so it'd be a waste of everyone's time. If you think I'm scum you're better off lynching me.
juicebox: Welcome.
Meanwhile, let's take a look at you, your cases, and your actions. You attempt to direct a vigilante kill with only a few hours left in the day, leaving limited time left to discuss if it's the proper course of action. You pursue a lazy case on a non-cleared player without actually bringing forth significant evidence and that displays severe gaps in your knowledge of the game and interest in confirming information. If we're talking about people who have taken strange enough actions to vote for, I might as well throw this one out here: doll.
Yes, I do have an action I'd like to share with the class, or rather, the lack of an action: I was roleblocked last night. So we have a second roleblocker in the game.
juicebox: Fix your quotes in the future. Seriously, I lost track of the conversation between you and doll and everyone because your quotes are so fucked. Okay, now moving on from my irritation: my reads list:
BHK: generally strong town game, I know he didn't perform the mafiakill n1 which, with an ability as unreliable as his, is a pretty good indication that he's probably not scum.
doll: See above, plus a whole bunch of other thoughts I have to look back over but that don't paint him in a good light from my perspective.
Tiruin: By herself, a tad townie, but here's the thing: my issues with doll cast a negative light over her too. I'll get to this later once I've had a chance to collect my thoughts more, I'm trying to bash out this post as quickly as possible.
juicebox: Ah, the great unknown. Need more
TDS: I'll be honest: even without the meta-clearing and even with his strange behavior, I'd still put him as top town. His erratic actions, while highly anti-town, were also so bold and blatant that, honestly, I don't think he would do that as scum. Because for a while there the only thing that kept him alive was the fact that his power seemed so townie to everyone they wouldn't kill/lynch him, his use of his abilities pissed off a lot of people. From my experience, TDS is an intelligent enough player not to do something so stupid as scum but too risk-averse and not canny enough to try and subvert expectations like that as scum. Town.
Post by: Tiruin on April 05, 2017, 06:20:48 pm
I'm still asking FoU questions :I
But about that whole everyone getting an invite bit :v I need responses before the day ends.
Extend [because it ends on Thursday and it's 7am thursday here at GMT +8.]
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 05, 2017, 06:24:26 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 05, 2017, 06:39:46 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 05, 2017, 07:20:58 pm
Post by: juicebox on April 05, 2017, 10:43:48 pm
Oh and sorry about the quotes. Fornatting on my phone is hard.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 05, 2017, 10:47:50 pm
"Please don't waste that time. I hate it when nothing happens."
The sound of rasping and pain echoes through the chamber.
Post by: Tiruin on April 05, 2017, 11:33:01 pm
Well if and when I In I kind of intend to Shakeragian shenanigans my role anyway.Reading up, Doll makes a ton of sense in that manner (Although I...am against the 'join and win!' type, the presence of multiple killing roles above the presumed Mafia # stops an orthodox LYLO/MYLO from happening)
So yeah.
...In regards to your role, be free with it. :P
Yes let's extendI could understand it though :P But...to avoid any misunderstandings, you can repost them :D
Oh and sorry about the quotes. Fornatting on my phone is hard.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 05, 2017, 11:37:10 pm
FoU:Would that even work?
Post by: Tiruin on April 05, 2017, 11:54:47 pm
The FBYOR Role That Is Guaranteed To Be, Count As, And Win With Town And (insert stuff here)?You. PM FoU instead of posting it here. -.-
FoU:Would that even work?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 05, 2017, 11:55:37 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2017, 12:00:02 am
I'm not posting my new role here, Tiruin. Just asking if that'd even work as a role.Is there ANY purpose of NOT just doing it in PMs??? You can self-report it anyway later on or whichever--that's one benefit of that ability; you get to do whatever with it and then base any further interaction on what alignment you get [or wincon or such]
But at this moment asking it in public won't be that helpful since:
1. You're dead. Everything to dead things counts other than you having that auto of being able to post. We can't affect you. You can't affect us other than COMMUNICATION.
2. You can revive anytime ever. FoU gets things better by PMs.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 06, 2017, 12:04:14 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2017, 12:06:20 am
It's a day action, Tir.You get my point. :I I'm PFPing because this is literally the only time I get to do this.
Post by: doll on April 06, 2017, 07:09:15 am
Spoiler: responding to 4maskwolf (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2017, 08:53:18 pm
Brief details would be:
> You'll get something akin to a Hide action performed on you
> It'll be publicly announced who I picked.
And it's a day action x3 as a gift from wubbywubs.
Quote from: Doll
This is a fine reaction to mostly insubstantial attacks.Probably tomorrow as far as I assume. o-O
Incidentally, how close are we to massclaim time?
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I don't think he wshould do that as town either, so it really doesn't lead me to read him either way.I'd be difficult to infer that because:
He's ridden his power very heavily, but what concerns me is his claim that it would continue to control the game after he died. Only town could have that power (more or less), and that means he's trying to ride an unverifiable claim tacked onto a verified power he doesn't have anymore into the end of the game.
He's still alive. :P
And we have no idea anymore and can't counter-check that or the scope of his ability now that it's destroyed. It's a claim that can be done anytime as the ability doesn't priorly...exist. In which I treat it skeptically because I can't see how that even WORKS unless it tacks on an EXTRA auto of:
> You're able to VOTE even in death.
Town sided or otherwise, that's an extremely high claim. Otherwise, that's a pretty awesome role o_O Having everything based on that and...
TDS: Why did you use the slot machine?
Also can I get everyone's input on me using that 1 shot day shot slot machine 50% for everyone...-shot? :P
PFP gonna read up on Sunday when hopefully the internet is better! (I can't even do research today because horribad net -_-)
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 07, 2017, 09:29:26 pm
Post by: doll on April 10, 2017, 08:02:10 am
Spoiler: Claims (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: my name is a killing rolepower (click to show/hide)
Well, here is my revised reads list:
doll
The one posting this list.
Not that 'old hag' was referring to the role, not to some physical self. I suppose I should have made a joke about coffee instead, since that was what I went in with.
The following players could have killed scum!TDS (or, according to him now, his partner) in the following ways, from what is claimed:
juicebox delayed 1shot vigkill
BHK 50/50 suicidal reusable vigkill
Cinder votestealing nightpower (mindcontrol-esque)
Literally nobody else at all in any way
TheDarkStar
Lethargic. Brief. Consistently pushing against the towniest players in the thread, but without making any sort of legitimate case. Constantly hidden from pressure by the shroud of his impossibly strong daypower. Claims daypower would protect partner as well, were he mafia.
His play is so atrocious that I want him dead, even though I think he's probably town. I realize that we're at mylo and that's not a great way to think in many ways, but it's because I actually do think that he's scummy (and not merely anti-town), yet I'm terrified to commit to lynching him because I can't bring myself to believe that he's scum with that ability.
He may have lied about his not being able to be lynched. Town may be hiding some serious role-removal power, or other methods of escaping his rules. Now that the ability is gone forever, we can't even check, and that sits even further in his favor if he is scum (note that he removed his own role power, though he could easily have done so as anti-town town).
I have only the pretense of his rolepower stopping me from calling him out and out scum (to the same degree of immense scummyness as P25 leafsnail, for those who recall).
juicebox
The scum that
Through the entire early game, flame99 was an unhelpful player who contributed as little as they could and flailed around. So incompetent were they that it was thought that they were badtown rather than badscum by, you know, nobody at all and actually webadict even said that they were probably scum. I've had it firmly in my mind that flame99 was so bad that they were unreadable, but maybe their worthless daygame actually was malicious or they had very poor instruction within scumchat.
Recently, claims to have their bomb out. I know for a fact that juicebox visited TDS Night 2.
The bomb therefore should be on TDS, or there is no bomb and, for instance, scum!juicebox used their anti-roleblock power or something else similar on scum!TDS. I mention this because a juicebox/TDS scumteam merely needs to convince us not to vote TDS (because he has a bomb on him) or juicebox (because he has a bomb on TDS) and they win, because it's mylo. The bomb encourages us not to no-lynch because, after all, we're wasting a chance to get a mislynch on mylo.
Alternatively, the visit to TDS is of hostile intent, and juicebox does have a bomb on a semiclear player.
Juicebox seems like the easiest scum, and I'll be following up on this. I don't like how flame99 played, I don't like how juicebox plays, I don't like how juicebox has described their night activity today, and I don't like juicebox's target during Night 2.
Tiruin
Had a very strong D1.
Spent a very large amount of valuable time after D1 arguing with a virtual non-player in her interactions with TDS. This was purely legitimate and honest conduct, but it adds nothing within the context of an unlynchable TDS. Depending on how Tiruin's abilities shake out, I'm inclined to expect that she's town.
I need a bit more information before I can make a strong statement here, so for now I'll say; probably town
4maskwolf
Reliably strong daygame.
My issues with 4mask stemmed from unaddressed questions which were, themselves, illegitimate. Though these questions should have been answered, it is understandable as such that they were not given a lack of activity and the strength of his overall daygame within what time he has had to post.
Very likely town.
BlackHeartKabal
Reliably strong daygame, multiple externally verified claims, verified, excellent (town) night activity.
I fake townslips, so I'm not going to pretend I'm Jack AT and try to read an alignment out of a word or two. What I can say is, there isn't any purchase to call BHK scum. They just haven't got the sort of mistake that label needs to grip onto. They're town.
Town.
Fullclaim:
As I mentioned, I'll be fullclaiming soon, i.e. right now.
Here's my full claim:
Granny Weatherwax
Track/Watch (Night, unlimited)
Immune to undisclosed abilities (Auto, I don't know what I'm immune to)
Unblockable (Auto, I cannot be roleblocked)
Curse (Night, 1shot, for subsequent nights the target has 50% chance of failing night actions until they succeed once)
Night 1: Watched Webadict, nobody visited
Night 2: Watched TheDarkStar, Juicebox visited
I'm fullclaiming because I'm unblockable and Tiruin is claiming that they can protect me, so I have no reason not to vis a vis giving info to scum for night actions.
I've already all but claimed anyway so it's not like I had anything left but a 'gotcha' about my N2 action, except it was obvious that I watched TDS.
I want town (BHK, Tiruin and 4mask in particular) to know where I'm at, so they can work from the same frame (or better) that I'm operating from. Feel free to massclaim if you think that's whats good.
Questions & Comments
Tiruin
And we have no idea anymore and can't counter-check that or the scope of his ability now that it's destroyed. It's a claim that can be done anytime as the ability doesn't priorly...exist. In which I treat it skeptically because I can't see how that even WORKS unless it tacks on an EXTRA auto of:TDS claims they have no abilities left, and only ever had one, thought at the same time that they claimed this they also were suspicious of my asking about their claim.
> You're able to VOTE even in death.
Tiruin: do you think TDS is scum? If TDS is probably scum, should we lynch them?
I'll take your invitation 100%, but before you commit to giving me it remember to make sure as to whether or not I'm getting lynched today. Also I don't know if I might be immune to your invitation, so that'll be interesting.
4maskwolf
Did you visit TDS (with a block)? Is it possible that Juicebox's visiting TDS had an effect on you?
Could you believe it if TDS were scum? Do you have a way to get around TDS's ability if he were scum and you were town(a kill or ability removal or vote redirect power)?
juicebox
If nobody thinks TDS is scum, is there a single reason we wouldn't lynch you today?
By process of elimination, I've left myself with Juicebox and TDS as scum. Tiruin is also a maybe, and 4mask is the less confirmed of he and BHK. Even so, my town reads on these three players (and, obviously, myself) are vastly stronger than those I have on these others, even taking meta into account (in the case of TDS) and my irrational fear of missing a stated mechanical opportunity (via Juicebox).
Before I put my money where my mouth is, and vote one of these players, though, I'd like to shake out any last mechanical information which may inform our options in lynching amongst them.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 10, 2017, 02:18:20 pm
I should probably summarize my other reads:
BHK: His role makes no sense for scum to have (although he could have fakeclaimed), but he hasn't done anything really scummy. Slight town read.
4maskwolf: iirc less activity but not anything overly scummy. A null read for now.
juicebox: Really wants me dead. Since I know I'm town, that's a point against him. I'll have to read through his stuff more, though, to get a good feel on his play. However, I will say that his gambit seems more designed to take out an obstacle to remove an annoying town player instead of to kill someone he thinks is scummy. Notice how he asked for information from several people with the threat of a bomb but never really followed up on it (or even specifying what he wanted, which makes it really easy for him to say "I didn't get the one piece of info that I wanted so I'm killing this guy who happens to be town". Scum lean.
doll: Methodically went through the game. He could be scum, but I don't have any reason to suspect that. In addition, the odds of both doll and juicebox being scum are roughly zero because doll outed juicebox's night action and finds juicebox really scummy. Strongly town-leaning.
Tiruin: I don't have enough info to decide. My case on her evaporated with webadict's death, but I haven't seen enough to conclude that she's either town or scum. Null read.
TheDarkStar: Town, but I admit I haven't had especially town-oriented play. The main reason for that has been my role power - until I lost control of the vote, I was basically responsible for ensuring that someone was properly lynched. Basically, about half of the effort I put into the game was just trying to keep things working mechanically; I had to be careful with pressure-(suggestion-)voting because I controlled the vote. Even a little bit of pressure was easy to interpret as "I think you're scummy and you're going to die". I think this game is close to mechanically solved though, assuming doll really is town, since there are only so many reasonable arrangements of alignments to go with different claimed roles.
Post by: doll on April 10, 2017, 06:37:53 pm
For some reason I was under the impression that the bomb took two night actions to use, but obviously that's incorrect since they've called it a timebomb like a thousand times. I was going to say that you shouldn't be so willing to die but in context it seems like it's inevitable (or juicebox is lying scum, which would be nice)
If juicebox isn't scum and you don't die, we've lost unless powers (or TBF I guess) save us because it's mylo.
Also, BHK could only have fakeclaimed if he's scum with 4maskwolf. His information ability backfired and told 4mask BHK's night action.
Juicebox
Looks live I've been playing under a cloud of misunderstanding. There is literally no present reason for us not to lynch you today, unless TBF comes in or mechanics otherwise shake things up a great deal.
After all, if TDS is scum then we still won't have lost if we do lynch you.
Tiruin
Can you use the hide on yourself or otherwise avoid the scumkill?
If we can use Tiruin and 4maskwolf to reduce the night-killable players to scum (and 4maskwolf) only, then scum are forced to pass on a night phase and out themselves in doing so. We can also save and keep TDS.
This, of course, assumes that Tiruin is town, and that we want to keep TDS. We only want to keep TDS if we bring TBF in today, and even then only if other powers can't do enough work for us.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 10, 2017, 08:34:10 pm
TiruinThis is the post that bugged me, not because of the content but because of the lack of follow-up. Because let's fast forward through the rest of the day and into the beginning of the day: Tiruin spends her time waffling around on how she doesn't believe we should lynch flame or cinder without giving a strong reason why, doesn't address you for the rest of the day, and, most importantly, doesn't make another case or even go through the motions of attempting to do so. And then... nothing. No follow-up. You never followed up, you never questioned her, you never even talked to her for the rest of the day to challenger her on TDS. And then, the next morning, you declare her a meta-clear townie. This whole exchange is what perked up my ears, especially when Tiruin refused to respond to my question yesterday about TDS not being cleared as a townie, and it doesn't paint a particularly positive picture that you dropped such an opinion and took a complete 180 without any explanation. I'll be honest, it looks like you were just going through the motions of casting suspicion without actually drawing attention to your implied case and then forgot about it later.
Please do argue with me about TDS.
I agree that I'd rather like him out of the game, but I'm also confident that he's town, so I'm not going to vote him, and I am going to find it very suspicious if you can't build at least one other case during this day.
So, to give you a chance to respond: Why? Why didn't you pursue Tiruin's lack of another case before day end and what made you change your mind on her being a potential suspect.
I also have a claim, since if we're going to start planning tonights actions we should know all of what is available. I encourage everyone else to claim as well so that town has every bit of information they can at their disposal.
I am Your Average Joe
My sole night action allows me to choose a subject or field to study and gain a one-shot ability based on that field. The base chance of success for this power starts at 50% and is modified based on the complexity of the subject and if I've studied a related field (or the same field) in the past.
I also have a one-shot auto that revives me through sheer adrenaline and determination should I be nightkilled.
Night One I used my ability to study trauma care, but the action failed (and I received some very amusing flavor text). Night two I made to study trauma care again, but the action failed as I was roleblocked.
Of the six living players, we currently know what four of them did last night. juicebox targeted TDS with his bomb, doll watched TDS, BHK attempted to kill doll, and I was roleblocked. doll has confirmed both BHK and juicebox's actions and in doing so confirmed his own action (unless he and juicebox are scum together, which is a possibility) and my claim is easily verifiable by finding the roleblocker in question. Which means, barring a double-action by someone (which there is precedent for in this game, so it's possible one of the people who are confirmed to have acted roleblocked me as well) it was either Tiruin or TDS who roleblocked me.
Tiruin, TDS: Were you the one to roleblock me? If so, why?
Everyone else: If you have a double-action and roleblocked me with the second, why did you do so?
Now, Q&A time with 4mask.
4maskwolfNo. Fuck if I know, ask Juicebox what his power does. Yeah, I could believe it, but I don't think it's the highest probability at this very moment. Yes, technically, if I took action to do so, given that in theory my role can get me any ability I desire. It would be delayed and unreliable, however, although it adds one more method of removing that ability to the many that currently exist.
Did you visit TDS (with a block)? Is it possible that Juicebox's visiting TDS had an effect on you?
Could you believe it if TDS were scum? Do you have a way to get around TDS's ability if he were scum and you were town(a kill or ability removal or vote redirect power)?
Post by: juicebox on April 10, 2017, 09:28:43 pm
Also I can prevent someone from being roleblocked. Speaking of which, I might as well fullclaim. I'm the demolitions expert. I can prevent someone from being roleblocked, and if someone attempts to roleblock my target, they blow up, which causes them to lose an ability.
I also have a one-shot time bomb which goes off the night after I use it on someone, and the ability to disarm this time bomb the night it would go off.
PPE: @4mask I guess you could say that, but I personally would like to remain alive.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 10, 2017, 09:33:04 pm
PPE: @4mask I guess you could say that, but I personally would like to remain alive.Wat?
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 10, 2017, 09:55:25 pm
Tiruin, TDS: Were you the one to roleblock me? If so, why?
I wasn't. I'm a vanilla townie at this point.
I also have a one-shot time bomb which goes off the night after I use it on someone, and the ability to disarm this time bomb the night it would go off.
Out of curiosity, what would you do if you agreed to remove the time bomb in return for not being lynched today (and of course if it goes off anyway you get lynched when I flip town)?
Post by: doll on April 11, 2017, 01:11:21 am
I was never suspicious of Tiruin, even though I was making a case against her.TiruinThis is the post that bugged me, not because of the content but because of the lack of follow-up. Because let's fast forward through the rest of the day and into the beginning of the day: Tiruin spends her time waffling around on how she doesn't believe we should lynch flame or cinder without giving a strong reason why, doesn't address you for the rest of the day, and, most importantly, doesn't make another case or even go through the motions of attempting to do so. And then... nothing. No follow-up. You never followed up, you never questioned her, you never even talked to her for the rest of the day to challenger her on TDS. And then, the next morning, you declare her a meta-clear townie. This whole exchange is what perked up my ears, especially when Tiruin refused to respond to my question yesterday about TDS not being cleared as a townie, and it doesn't paint a particularly positive picture that you dropped such an opinion and took a complete 180 without any explanation. I'll be honest, it looks like you were just going through the motions of casting suspicion without actually drawing attention to your implied case and then forgot about it later.
Please do argue with me about TDS.
I agree that I'd rather like him out of the game, but I'm also confident that he's town, so I'm not going to vote him, and I am going to find it very suspicious if you can't build at least one other case during this day.
So, to give you a chance to respond: Why? Why didn't you pursue Tiruin's lack of another case before day end and what made you change your mind on her being a potential suspect.
You could say that I was pushing on her for being anti-town, and lost sight of her once scum presented itself. This isn't quite true; I was making a case for the sake of making a case in and of itself. Tiruin happened to be the best target, because she was playing against the town through a lack of helpful activity. Once something was actually happening in the daygame, I moved on to that.
I'll be honest, it looks like you were just going through the motions of casting suspicion without actually drawing attention to your implied case and then forgot about it later.This is precisely correct.
To give a more in depth explanation of that post:
Prior to that post, I was more or less trapped in RVS. Flame99 and Cinder, BHK's early D1, the lack of a D1 lynch, the non-cases on Webadict and Tiruin, and Cinder's roleclaim & slot machine debacle hadn't actually contributed much at all to the daygame. I was entering a new game and establishing my space, which means I needed to establish my image as town. To do so, I needed to build cases. I went through the motions of building a case, in the simplest way possible. I tunneled easy players, who, as I mentioned in that post, I didn't expect to be scum together and who I had no strong reads on (i.e. these players were anti-town rather than scummy).
Simply going through the motions of building a case made me look more towny, but it also left me in a good position to follow up on these cases (which, as you mentioned, I never did for Tiruin) and make it easier to A) drive through a lynch on these players and B) encourage day activity through pursuit of the cases. I did pursue flame99, because the (implication of future) pressure stuck, but that got cut short by flame99 dropping out and Cinder acting scummy.
As an important aside:
My present case (such as it were) on Juicebox stems from that above pressure on flame99. At that time, the process of flame99 dropping out and Cinder drawing my attention somehow transmuted my scum read on flame into an anti-town read, which is why I failed to pick up on the case against Juicebox until now when I reread the thread.
For future reference, shit like this is precisely why the two of you are my top scumteam pick.I also have a one-shot time bomb which goes off the night after I use it on someone, and the ability to disarm this time bomb the night it would go off.
Out of curiosity, what would you do if you agreed to remove the time bomb in return for not being lynched today (and of course if it goes off anyway you get lynched when I flip town)?
juicebox
Speaking of which, I might as well fullclaim. I'm the demolitions expert. I can prevent someone from being roleblocked, and if someone attempts to roleblock my target, they blow up, which causes them to lose an ability.You are aware that flame99 claimed all this already in the thread (page 41)?
I also have a one-shot time bomb which goes off the night after I use it on someone, and the ability to disarm this time bomb the night it would go off.
It's even in that list of claims that I posted.
Any particular reason you are unaware of the claims of your predecessor?
Post by: doll on April 11, 2017, 07:04:04 am
y'all got twelve hours as it stands, and could sure do with some more activity
Also, I haven't voted yet
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 11, 2017, 08:38:29 am
((Only one extension per day.))
Post by: doll on April 11, 2017, 08:43:12 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 11, 2017, 08:49:11 am
ALSO VOTECOUNT PLEASE
Bluh x.x My time and argh. At least I'll be free in the coming days so hooray for more posts \o/
TiruinPublic note that I've not given full disclosure of what that ability does--but a roster of:
Can you use the hide on yourself or otherwise avoid the scumkill?
> Doll
> BHK
> Juicebox
is part of the day action--I haven't finalized it so draw your ideas out. Problem is if I target Juicy, it may...not do him well in the night, but it will prove his action. :O
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-TheDarkStar(?)...Which literally leaves 4mask and TDS out. :^
-Tiruin(?)
-Deus Asmoth -> doll
-BlackHeartKabal(?)
-flame99 -> juicebox(?)
-4maskwolf(?)
Hum. To claim it fully or not to claim :I
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Tiruin: do you think TDS is scum? If TDS is probably scum, should we lynch them?It will not matter if the lynch target is invited or not because...err, it'll happen anyway, but the lynch target gets lynched o_O
I'll take your invitation 100%, but before you commit to giving me it remember to make sure as to whether or not I'm getting lynched today. Also I don't know if I might be immune to your invitation, so that'll be interesting.
And other than being publicly announced, wait I'll just fullclaim it anyway because hindsight bites <_<
> You won't be able to target others listed in the roster or otherwise. [You get REMOVED from the game. For the night.]
> You'll be safe.
> I'm included in it.
> Also we get to PARTAY in a night quicktopic together \o/
I can target as many folks as I can; however it is a day action. There is no timer as to what it does :O
WHY I chose to not disclose this [and instead say 'hide' or whatever] was because of figuring out how the scumteam would work if it wasn't mentioned <_< Then in cross contrast to the town given how many bloody kill roles exist and otherwise--there is obviously fakeclaiming rolling about with AT LEAST TWO OF YOU.
I mean me and web discussed this at length in which I target a sample set [including him] UNTIL I asked FoU (which was just nowadays <_<) and apparently 'remove' in how he worded it, different from how it semantically was written to my mention, was the same and meant no acting. Prior to that we thought that it 'puts them on another plane or dimension where they can maybe probably act on each other' because that's how the impression was when I detailed the ability to web, mostly verbatim.
Then it hit me that it'd do more damage if I kept it trickling in disclosure due to prior analysis as to *everyone's public claims and/or potentials, so there it is in full detail.
* = Updated as when doll claimed Granny.
Tiruin, TDS: Were you the one to roleblock me? If so, why?I think I claimed jailkeeper a long time back, but searchword 'jail' doesn't bring up anything -.-
Everyone else: If you have a double-action and roleblocked me with the second, why did you do so?
So I'll claim jailkeeper now :V and say I blocked your face because me and webbywebs discussed it in length in the webchat. Basically yesterday, I had 2 picks. You or TDS. My "evolution" gave me stuff that modified how I use my stuff so yeah.
Why is because out of all the folks--you and him were the ones on the list I haven't gotten much tangibility out of. Seeing that one post there about you talking at doll and my stuff on Flame and Cin, do recall that I had remarked fully and distinctly as to how I view them both multiple times. BHK and the stuff he did before too. Notes on doll//DA was had in turn. That's 5 out of the folks that were present before. :^
And I've extra notes on webchats but I am currently in the position where I'll do check it tomorrow because I'm sleepy as fishie. Because work does that x_x sorry.
I recommend a plan being set--maybe not massclaiming but plan making. :v There is enough softclaims set by folks today and beforehand that makes a plan being fleshed out--there is also the evident note of people fakeclaiming or not mentioning as best as they can (which is not-bad-fakeclaiming).
I mean seriously. All the kill abilities. :V And my evolution is bloody useless.
PPEx2 Aww butts.
...How long do we have till day end? I will SERIOUSLY HAVE TO RECALIBRATE THIS idea of day actions. Or y'know, not do it :V
Post by: Tiruin on April 11, 2017, 08:50:33 am
"There's only so far I'm willing to wait before murderizing."Why was this mentioned not ever? :-\
((Only one extension per day.))
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 11, 2017, 08:52:18 am
Uh...Yeah..."There's only so far I'm willing to wait before murderizing."Why was this mentioned not ever? :-\
((Only one extension per day.))
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 11, 2017, 08:59:46 am
TheDarkStar(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
doll(1): [4maskwolf]
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
juicebox(2): [TheDarkStar, doll]
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting: BlackHeartKabal, juicebox, Tiruin
Day Ends: 7:20 P.M. Central/Forum time today.
Post by: juicebox on April 11, 2017, 10:33:59 am
PPE: @4mask I guess you could say that, but I personally would like to remain alive.Wat?
Oh sorry I thought you posted this:
TDS
For some reason I was under the impression that the bomb took two night actions to use, but obviously that's incorrect since they've called it a timebomb like a thousand times. I was going to say that you shouldn't be so willing to die but in context it seems like it's inevitable (or juicebox is lying scum, which would be nice)
If juicebox isn't scum and you don't die, we've lost unless powers (or TBF I guess) save us because it's mylo.
Also, BHK could only have fakeclaimed if he's scum with 4maskwolf. His information ability backfired and told 4mask BHK's night action.
Juicebox
Looks live I've been playing under a cloud of misunderstanding. There is literally no present reason for us not to lynch you today, unless TBF comes in or mechanics otherwise shake things up a great deal.
After all, if TDS is scum then we still won't have lost if we do lynch you.
Tiruin
Can you use the hide on yourself or otherwise avoid the scumkill?
If we can use Tiruin and 4maskwolf to reduce the night-killable players to scum (and 4maskwolf) only, then scum are forced to pass on a night phase and out themselves in doing so. We can also save and keep TDS.
This, of course, assumes that Tiruin is town, and that we want to keep TDS. We only want to keep TDS if we bring TBF in today, and even then only if other powers can't do enough work for us.
TDS:
Tiruin, TDS: Were you the one to roleblock me? If so, why?
I wasn't. I'm a vanilla townie at this point.I also have a one-shot time bomb which goes off the night after I use it on someone, and the ability to disarm this time bomb the night it would go off.
Out of curiosity, what would you do if you agreed to remove the time bomb in return for not being lynched today (and of course if it goes off anyway you get lynched when I flip town)?
And I was just starting to think you actually might be town. Sorry but I'm not disarming it.
I was never suspicious of Tiruin, even though I was making a case against her.TiruinThis is the post that bugged me, not because of the content but because of the lack of follow-up. Because let's fast forward through the rest of the day and into the beginning of the day: Tiruin spends her time waffling around on how she doesn't believe we should lynch flame or cinder without giving a strong reason why, doesn't address you for the rest of the day, and, most importantly, doesn't make another case or even go through the motions of attempting to do so. And then... nothing. No follow-up. You never followed up, you never questioned her, you never even talked to her for the rest of the day to challenger her on TDS. And then, the next morning, you declare her a meta-clear townie. This whole exchange is what perked up my ears, especially when Tiruin refused to respond to my question yesterday about TDS not being cleared as a townie, and it doesn't paint a particularly positive picture that you dropped such an opinion and took a complete 180 without any explanation. I'll be honest, it looks like you were just going through the motions of casting suspicion without actually drawing attention to your implied case and then forgot about it later.
Please do argue with me about TDS.
I agree that I'd rather like him out of the game, but I'm also confident that he's town, so I'm not going to vote him, and I am going to find it very suspicious if you can't build at least one other case during this day.
So, to give you a chance to respond: Why? Why didn't you pursue Tiruin's lack of another case before day end and what made you change your mind on her being a potential suspect.
You could say that I was pushing on her for being anti-town, and lost sight of her once scum presented itself. This isn't quite true; I was making a case for the sake of making a case in and of itself. Tiruin happened to be the best target, because she was playing against the town through a lack of helpful activity. Once something was actually happening in the daygame, I moved on to that.I'll be honest, it looks like you were just going through the motions of casting suspicion without actually drawing attention to your implied case and then forgot about it later.This is precisely correct.
To give a more in depth explanation of that post:
Prior to that post, I was more or less trapped in RVS. Flame99 and Cinder, BHK's early D1, the lack of a D1 lynch, the non-cases on Webadict and Tiruin, and Cinder's roleclaim & slot machine debacle hadn't actually contributed much at all to the daygame. I was entering a new game and establishing my space, which means I needed to establish my image as town. To do so, I needed to build cases. I went through the motions of building a case, in the simplest way possible. I tunneled easy players, who, as I mentioned in that post, I didn't expect to be scum together and who I had no strong reads on (i.e. these players were anti-town rather than scummy).
Simply going through the motions of building a case made me look more towny, but it also left me in a good position to follow up on these cases (which, as you mentioned, I never did for Tiruin) and make it easier to A) drive through a lynch on these players and B) encourage day activity through pursuit of the cases. I did pursue flame99, because the (implication of future) pressure stuck, but that got cut short by flame99 dropping out and Cinder acting scummy.
As an important aside:
My present case (such as it were) on Juicebox stems from that above pressure on flame99. At that time, the process of flame99 dropping out and Cinder drawing my attention somehow transmuted my scum read on flame into an anti-town read, which is why I failed to pick up on the case against Juicebox until now when I reread the thread.For future reference, shit like this is precisely why the two of you are my top scumteam pick.I also have a one-shot time bomb which goes off the night after I use it on someone, and the ability to disarm this time bomb the night it would go off.
Out of curiosity, what would you do if you agreed to remove the time bomb in return for not being lynched today (and of course if it goes off anyway you get lynched when I flip town)?
juiceboxSpeaking of which, I might as well fullclaim. I'm the demolitions expert. I can prevent someone from being roleblocked, and if someone attempts to roleblock my target, they blow up, which causes them to lose an ability.You are aware that flame99 claimed all this already in the thread (page 41)?
I also have a one-shot time bomb which goes off the night after I use it on someone, and the ability to disarm this time bomb the night it would go off.
It's even in that list of claims that I posted.
Any particular reason you are unaware of the claims of your predecessor?
I was aware that she claimed but I didn't go back to check exactly what she claimed. Also I did reveal more information.
Post by: Tiruin on April 11, 2017, 10:37:56 am
Day Ends: 7:20 P.M. Central/Forum time today.:I
What does this mean in terms of GMT? D:
*computation intensifies*
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-"Forum time", Tiruin.April 11, 2017, 10:36:10 am
Well great. Around Meph time then--8am my time. :P
juiceboxIs this because he's actively following up something he fully claimed on badly or...?
Post by: juicebox on April 11, 2017, 02:26:02 pm
I really don't have much to say except that I'm not scum and I was trying to make an honest attempt at scumhunting.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 11, 2017, 06:34:05 pm
TheDarkStar(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
doll(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
juicebox(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting: TheDarkStar
Day Ends about an hour from now.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 11, 2017, 06:38:21 pm
Please don't hurt me, but I don't want someone (like juicebox) to tie the vote at the last minute. I'm not going to survive past tonight so I might as well use this now.
(I believe this is hammer)
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 11, 2017, 06:40:10 pm
Votecount:
TheDarkStar(0): []
Tiruin(0): []
doll(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
juicebox(1): [TheDarkStar]
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting:
... the day doesn't end.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 11, 2017, 06:43:37 pm
I suppose I should vote for a shorten in case of (more) vote shenanigans.
Also, I'm half-inclined to lynch Tiruin instead, but I'm slightly less sure on her (and as this might be MyLo I want to minimize the chance of accidentally losing the game for the town). I do think she's scum and if juicebox flips scum you should take a really close look at her posting.
Post by: juicebox on April 11, 2017, 06:51:47 pm
no lynch
Here are my final thoughts for today. Doll is under the opinion that scum or not, I should be lynched just to be safe. This might have been true earlier in the game, but now we need to be careful about who we lynch. If TDS and I both flip town we lose. I know I'm 100% town and I'm reasonably sure at this point that TDS is scum, but I would like to be safe.
So, I think it would be better if we no-lynch today. There's no harm in it since we still get information when TDS flips and we'll still have the numbers unless TBF ins as mafia.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 11, 2017, 06:56:05 pm
"After this is all said and done, I'm going to have to ask you how you hacked the L.Y.N.C.H. Seriously, that shouldn't be possible. Anyhow, nighttime."
Votecount: exactly the same as before.
"All right then L.Y.N.C.H.! Take him out!"
The L.Y.N.C.H. unloads a bucketload of bullets into Juicebox. Unsurprisingly this is fatal. More surprising is the explosion his body goes off into.
Analysis follows.
juicebox was Demolitions(town):
(Night): Blow Them Out of The Way [target]: All roleblocks used on your target fail, mainly because you explode whoever would try to do so. Anyone who tries to roleblock your target also loses a random ability from their role as a result of being exploded.
(1-Shot, Night): Time Bomb [target]: You place a time bomb under your target’s house. At the end of the next night, it explodes, killing them.
(Night): Disarm [target]: If your target would be hit by a kill tonight as a result of Time Bomb, that doesn’t happen, and you regain your shot of Time Bomb.
Night ends 6:45 P.M. Thursday, Central/Forum time. Send in your actions!
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 11, 2017, 07:50:56 pm
There should have been a tie?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 11, 2017, 09:12:26 pm
Um...In the voting? No. Because role powers.
There should have been a tie?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 11, 2017, 10:45:13 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 13, 2017, 10:56:34 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 13, 2017, 11:18:25 am
Analysis follows.
TheDarkStar was The Fallacy's BYOR 2 Role That Has The Only Vote That Determines Who Is Lynched, Even If It Belongs To A Dead Player(town):
(1-Shot, Day): LITERALLY: You’re not having any of that workaround nonsense. This ability can only be used in the Choice phase if Deciding Vote is active. For the duration of this day, the lynch system returns to normal… except you have the only vote. No, you can’t use this ability if you’re dead.
doll was Granny Weatherwax(town):
(Night): A bit of borrowing [target]: You find a stray bird or bee or whatnot and hitch a ride on its mind, allowing you to stealthily keep an eye on your target. You may choose whether to track them(learning who they target) or watch them(learning who targets them).
(Auto): Headstrong: You are immune to certain abilities. No, you don’t get to know what they are. (secret: complete immunity: Play For Stakes, A Long Chat, A Spritz of Love, possibly some Canadian agency abilities)
(Auto): Broomstick riding: You cannot be roleblocked.
(1-Shot, Night): “Curse ye!” [target]: Using your knowledge of headology, you convince the target that they’re cursed. Each night action they perform on subsequent nights has a 50% chance of failure. If they succeed in a night action, the “curse” goes away.
"Well. I think we know how this ends... but we'll see."
Day 4 ends 11 A.M. Central/Forum time Tuesday.
Votecount:
Tiruin(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(0): []
4maskwolf(0): []
Not Voting: Tiruin, BlackHeartKabal, 4maskwolf
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 11:53:13 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 12:04:52 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2017, 02:50:23 pm
Although in fairness I guess you couldn't target anyone else so eh.
Here's to hoping you're town, BHK, because it's kinda 1 v 2 right now.
BHK
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2017, 02:51:02 pm
Here's to hoping you're town, TBF :P
Post by: Tiruin on April 13, 2017, 03:01:48 pm
Shove off Tir, it's not like I have any night actions worth a damn, that roleblock was uncalled for.Either you're bussing or I'm a sole survivor scenario. :I
Although in fairness I guess you couldn't target anyone else so eh.
Here's to hoping you're town, BHK, because it's kinda 1 v 2 right now.
Also WOW did I oversleep by a few hours and did not send in that party bits. <_<
BHK Shorten.
Somebody died last night and it wasn't through what or how I jailkept.
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TheDarkStar was The Fallacy's BYOR 2 Role That Has The Only Vote That Determines Who Is Lynched, Even If It Belongs To A Dead Player(town):Seriously this is "Basic". FoU, you are crazy.
TBF GET IN HERE. ALSO YOU HAD THE POWER TO POST AT NIGHT HENCE WHY THE THREADS HAVE BEEN UNLOCKED.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2017, 03:08:31 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 13, 2017, 03:13:40 pm
I'll call your bluff and throw in a shorten, since I know you can't kill me at night easily. Even if the shorten goes off before TBF joins you can't finish me off tonight and TBF can join tomorrow.I'll fullclaim--I haven't claimed that I've a oneshot two-kill-in-one. :I That alongside my evolution (WHICH WASN'T USEFUL and webadict can vouch :V), is pretty much just what I've got.
And you're getting it in the face, Mr. Face. I: Of course I should've suspected and JAILED those who claimed abilities which were...indisputable (self-respecting or rather "non-targeted")...in which I should've targeted TDS because assuming that bomb dies out when he got lynched was dumb -_-
I can't even invite you to the party because it's a CHOICE.
But I'll do it anyway :V
Post by: Tiruin on April 13, 2017, 03:19:24 pm
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The game will consist of 72 hour days and 48 hour nights(the time will not pass during weekends). During the day, the day may end because of a hammer(getting the majority of the game's available votes on a player will lynch that player, ending the day), or because of the deadline. What makes this system different is that at LYLO or MYLO, the hammer system will not be active, and the only way to end the day will be via reaching the deadline. To prevent mod confirmation of the fact that it's MYLO or LYLO, the fact that the hammer system is not or is being used will not be announced.And yet this title.
WELL LET'S EXTEND THIS BY 24 HOURS. GOOOO SLOT MACHINE!
But honestly I think by that second 'shorten', the lynch occurs given that--and the lack of mentioning any shorten/extensions in the OP despite the modified rules.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 13, 2017, 04:59:46 pm
Shove off Tir, it's not like I have any night actions worth a damn, that roleblock was uncalled for.If you're town then this is the most epic intentional gamethrow I've ever seen. Just the fact that you did this has me folding.
Although in fairness I guess you couldn't target anyone else so eh.
Here's to hoping you're town, BHK, because it's kinda 1 v 2 right now.
BHK
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 13, 2017, 06:29:03 pm
Tiruin(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(2): [Tiruin, 4maskwolf]
4maskwolf(0): []
TheBiggerFish(0): []
Not Voting: BlackHeartKabal, TheBiggerFish
~~~
Reason day didn't end: Fish joined before BlackHeartKabal was voted and shortened.
Now excuse me, I have to process Fish's role submission. Technically, he's already joined, but he doesn't have his new role yet... let's just say it's quantum.
... this may take a while. If I have to, I'll mod-extend the day, but I doubt it'll come to that.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 13, 2017, 06:45:05 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 13, 2017, 06:46:25 pm
Also, again, what the hell.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 13, 2017, 07:02:47 pm
Tiruin(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(2): [Tiruin, 4maskwolf]
4maskwolf(0): []
TBF Alpha(0): []
TBF Beta(0): []
Not Voting: BlackHeartKabal, TBF Alpha, TBF Beta
Mod Note: Basic is relative. If it doesn't have a theme of Basic, it'll be weirder than this.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 07:07:17 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 07:15:14 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 07:16:10 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 07:24:37 pm
I have a very mod-sanity-wracking idea. :v
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 07:39:43 pm
TBF-Beta votes TBF-Alpha.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 07:40:35 pm
whatThat was my reaction too.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 07:43:20 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 13, 2017, 07:59:56 pm
Tiruin(1): [TBF Alpha]
BlackHeartKabal(2): [Tiruin, 4maskwolf]
4maskwolf(0): []
TBF Alpha(1): [TBF Beta]
TBF Beta(0): []
Not Voting: BlackHeartKabal
~~~
Null pops into existence. "In light of... these... recent occurrences, I have supplied a large quantity of magical alcoholic beverages. Enjoy." A table covered in strange bottles pops into existence as Null pops away. You think you hear some weird hybrid of sobbing and laughing from Null as he leaves.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 13, 2017, 10:48:17 pm
what the hell
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 10:49:23 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 14, 2017, 02:46:27 am
TBF-Alpha votes Tiruin.When, in this day, shall I get a definitive or detailed background for people voting me :v
TBF-Beta votes TBF-Alpha.
ALRIGHT LET'S GET THIS INTO VIEW.
Yesterday I obviously jailkept 4mask--what my post said earlier was 'bus', because I was confounded on the "why didn't we(I) lose" because of me assuming a 2 player scumteam, but re-reading the previous stuff (plus my SHAEM on not having sent that PM earlier -_-) didn't get my coherence at acceptable levels. Current I'm assuming that it was a 1 player power-scumteam, which I'd love to hear from BHK about.
I'll call your bluff and throw in a shorten, since I know you can't kill me at night easily. Even if the shorten goes off before TBF joins you can't finish me off tonight and TBF can join tomorrow.I don't know why you call it a bluff when the ONLY REASONABLE SCENARIO was that somebody ELSE killed SOMEBODY ELSE (presumably doll) because I had a choice between YOU or TDS...in hindsight my jailkeep would've protected TDS from dying too, but I'm as ambiguous as butts given how he acted PRE-JOOSBOX lynch.
That vote-lynch fluff came out of bloody nowhere.
And it's not EVEN in TDS' role. [The roleflip was after the night so I'm trying to explain that 'okay, I could've targeted TDS with my jailkeep BUT I'd rather do it to someone more...stable to check, like 4mask--problem is in this current scenario I'm unsure whether there's 2 scum or 1 powerscum, and NOW, one scummyfishie. :V]
Town's *probably* still screwed, especially if I stop fooling around, unless you have a daykill.Yeah this wording doesn't help anyone. :I
But then WOW would it be so hilarious for scum4mask to vote scumBHK just because jailkeeping (I mean I expected a double punch at me this morning but then his RESPONSE was equally as weird), so I'm...thoroughly confuzzled. >_>
Eh, now that TBF is in here, HAVE SOME JACKPOT.
I am so inviting people to this party :I
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 14, 2017, 08:45:57 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 14, 2017, 08:49:27 am
You do not sound like yourself.
You sound like a scum.
And I saw it from the brginning and now I know.
But obviously I can't exactly convince BHK.
TBF-Alpha votes 4maskwolf
Post by: Tiruin on April 14, 2017, 10:01:10 am
Tiruin, Tiruin, Tiruin."You don't sound like yourself
You do not sound like yourself.
You sound like a scum.
And I saw it from the brginning and now I know.
But obviously I can't exactly convince BHK.
TBF-Alpha votes 4maskwolf
You sound like a scum!"
Best case I've had this day is people acting all meta on me. In all truth, I'm the worst jailkeeper as I didn't even pick up the hints that doll was saying about roleblockness and should've jailed him to save him because HIM, OUT OF ALL THE PEOPLE HERE (and webby) USED THEIR NEURONS and made an actual STAND ON THIS.
Rather than this bucket of seafoam of a statement.
And all your other posts in brevity. >_> YES it is out of character for me to be sarcastic and pretty D:<
BUT THAT IS WHOLLY OUTSIDE OF BEING SCUM OR NOT.
It's in facing things that I can't even communicate with--dialogue that is a monologue; people basing things on a spurious or nebulous idea of you, without giving the time and effort to solidify their idea OF you in public.
And I saw it from the brginning and now I know.I'd be pulling one of those memes or gifs of a dude waving his hands around with eyes to the heavens...
Because in the beginning, you spend the WHOLE DAY on Webadict and didn't even post anything about the results of that tunneling.
If you're going to bring up emotional-tugs of tangents, have one shot back at you.
You saw it from the beginning yet you can't even type up a coherent case.
"OH BUT SHE'S SCUM!"
Oh but you can't WRITE IT DOWN. It is an insult to one's own personal feelings to not be able to communicate them but instead keep insisting they exist "BECAUSE I SAW IT"; write it down then, please.
I tried to vig Tir since I figured it was 2 man scum but failed, but with the turn of events and 4mask outing himself with his move, 4maskwolf> Why.
This is the lacking aspect I've seen lately.
> Why people did {x}.
Like "why is 'sounding yourself' actually something people would reasonably make 95% of their post as".
Or "why did I pick this person to be targeted".
I mean I'm throwing around how bad I am with jailkeeping yet this isn't even being acknowledged by anyone at all. >_>
Or like how I'm throwing around most data back in the days but nobody at present even cares to delve back there and denote anything else.
I tried to vig Tir since I figured it was 2 man scum but failed, but with the turn of events and 4mask outing himself with his move, 4maskwolfHOW is he outing himself when I JAILED HIS FACE? :-\
Stand up for your cases, people. There are people lying in public--and rather lying, but playing to their wincondition straight out.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 14, 2017, 10:07:37 am
I don't even have a wincon at the moment.
Also, this is practically insulting. We all know or at least suspect the truth at this point. Just commit to it.
And yes, my case is that you're not behaving like Town!you, precisely because of all of this weird angery stuff. Town!Tiruin didn't get angery. Even undet similar statements.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 14, 2017, 10:07:57 am
Also *beginning from previous.
Post by: Tiruin on April 14, 2017, 10:20:42 am
And yes, my case is that you're not behaving like Town!you, precisely because of all of this weird angery stuff. Town!Tiruin didn't get angery. Even undet similar statements.:v
I'ma hug doll for his antiquarian efforts and point to many times when I was TOWN in the past in which I acted out of character, like Meph's Temple...mafia game thing. It had Dariush and I swore ;~;
They were not good times.
But I do not get... "angery" :v I do get frustrated. Angry is not something I've reached, essentially with how I remember my life with this vivid memory (and that I dislike it thanks to my background in being the recipient OF people like that) >_<
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Also, this is practically insulting. We all know or at least suspect the truth at this point. Just commit to it....I'm pretty much following my wincondition as I am right now. :v
This should be given to you back. It's like saying the allegation is all the proof that is needed by that second sentence.
"You're acting weird D: You're scum!"
"No I'm not? Please give details to back that up?"
And I don't get any.
It's like saying being scum provides a change of behavior because the theme that the GM set gives that outlet.
It's implying that this is warranted behavior just because this person can be one theme instead of the general notion of being 'town'.
It sets a precedent wholly unhealthy and gives a tone as if this person is expected to act like one or the other--I would love to quote doll, because he gave word to ideas and feelings many have had but not precisely put down: People are unsure about me because I aim to be flexible within reason. Anger is not a sign of being scum, it is like
If you mentioned before my reaction to your WOWROLEDEATH thing, I have mentioned it is to get a response. THIS isn't directly being used as a case but as an inferred reference, and even then it should be assumed since there is no effort to be direct with what you're referring to.
>~<
Basically assuming somebody is scum without the context of where or what guides them to act that way, just because you felt they're acting out of character WITHOUT taking the effort to get to know why they're acting like that (I mean goodness I can mention a total RL incident like my {immediate} {pulling the double bind and being aggravating resulting in a personal breakdown} but does that even matter?)
Summary of my point: Make a case and verify it with integrity. Don't just point and call out behavior by that sake--the result of this game, and my alignment at that point, should not reinforce any of those biases.
It will not help your growth as a player, and in the bigger context of life, in your analytical aspect.
If you would like me to display the same behavior to you, I can...quote the last page of posts of yours. It is quite...silly. :P
But seriously there's a ton there I didn't understand whatsoever that it seems like you want to feel implied.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 14, 2017, 10:36:12 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 14, 2017, 10:56:48 am
cannot reapond in detail currently but the fact I failed due to a roleblock is importany
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I tried to vig Tir since I figured it was 2 man scum but failed[...]I'd like to know how that explains something that happened only last night--for this bit here.
And post-game, how a role can even have 2 votes and seemingly have a power imbalance given what I could understand TBF's posts.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 14, 2017, 10:59:00 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 14, 2017, 12:18:13 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 14, 2017, 12:40:13 pm
Ignoring commences.
Post by: Tiruin on April 15, 2017, 08:11:27 am
Something something superposition something 2/9 chance something.Can you please say something coherent?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 15, 2017, 10:12:06 am
Then my ability rolled Mafia.
Post by: Tiruin on April 15, 2017, 10:16:46 am
I submitted a Shakeragian role that was guaranteed to be town.OK this is just wrong right here.
Then my ability rolled Mafia.
This implies the GM is at fault or at least the playthrough of how it was processed was pretty faulty.
You CANNOT SUBMIT A ROLE THAT REALLY LEANS TOWARDS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER and I will make a scrap METRIC TON of feedback on this because of how annoying this tokenism may seem like [ie "Shakeragian" Flanderization].
You're seriously the only one who has the leaning vote here--I'm standing by my night action and the results mentioned as per 4mask's stuff there. BHK seems solidly convinced (although I am honestly curious as his stance to me is contradictory O_o), and I sorely dislike how many times people think they know my behavior and intent more than me, and then use that to explain "I'm scum" without actually explaining anything at all.
Or this implies flailing around V:
By the way, Town seems very doomed. :v
Hm.
I have a very mod-sanity-wracking idea. :v
Town's *probably* still screwed, especially if I stop fooling around, unless you have a daykill.I don't know anymore, but I do know the impetus lies with you.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 15, 2017, 10:28:05 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 15, 2017, 10:31:11 am
Yes, yes you can.I do not know what you're replying to but you read something that this is typed towards.
You have TWO VOTES.
Use them and end this day (until BHK posts) because apparently I cannot extend this by 24 hours--I can only DO ONE DAY ABILITY >~<
And that was to party. Not the Slot Machine.
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2017, 11:49:44 am
Votecount:SO it's going to be MONDAY tomorrow and up until now there's a TIE ON VOTES with TBF flailing around without public clarity.
Tiruin(1):
BlackHeartKabal(2): [Tiruin, 4maskwolf]
4maskwolf(0): [TBF Alpha], [BlackHeartKabal]
TBF Alpha(1): [TBF Beta]
TBF Beta(0): []
I've forgotten or am unsure as to any end of day, and wow this later content. :I
Edited the votecount from FoU's last post.
FoU: Votecount please.
If there will be any voting shenanigans I am just going to
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 16, 2017, 11:58:08 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2017, 11:59:53 am
Mafia could just...kill the town half now and that would presumably fix it.Can you just fullclaim. :v or be more clear.
Because what is this even I can't comprehend what you're even referering to.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 16, 2017, 12:01:08 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2017, 12:06:35 pm
Why is "Town" TBF voting for 4maskwolf?
Why is "Mafia" TBF being stoopid and targeting "TBF Alpha"?
Can you be anymore clearer with what you're doing and start from the beginning into why you're doing what you're doing now?
Can you detail why you've left your vote like that for more than TWO DAYS?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 16, 2017, 12:10:05 pm
Because BHK is probably Town, and 4mask is suspicious.
Because I would like to either win or lose.
Not really, because I'm not sure what I'm doing.
Because I haven't seen any reason to change it.
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2017, 12:15:51 pm
Do you have access to the Mafia quicktopic? :v | No/yes, in that order. |
Did you roll Mafia or Town--rhetorical question, because your answers really fall out on Mafia given that second answer.
...And third answer.
Because what.
"I haven't seen any reason to change it" == "I'LL TIE THE VOTE AND LET ONE PART OF MY WINCONDITION JUST VOTE THE OTHER".
I don't anymore.
4mask: Shift that vote to TBF. I'll follow up later but timezones + uncertainty to day end, because the hammer system doesn't exist at probably this point in time.
Or y'know, I'll just sit here, and glare at TBF as a player.
Applying pressure.
Because he is pretty much in a position to do something.
And instead is still 'unsure what he's doing'.
After more than three days.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 16, 2017, 12:18:44 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2017, 12:22:44 pm
WHY would I vote TBF-Alpha when given everything back there, it points to BHK.
WHY are YOU not moving your vote from TBF-Beta, onto anyone seriously, when TBF-Alpha is stuck in 'indecision'?
You mentioned MAFIA and not MAFIA-ALLY; this is a very important distinguishing remark that I feel you must have not forgotten unless it was anything otherwise, even when pressured because you have developed player skills.
What prevents you from voting not-TBF-[greek alphabet]?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 16, 2017, 12:25:37 pm
Why do you need to assume anything, exactly?
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2017, 12:33:55 pm
For no reason.
Actually "A" reason. "A" reason that your other self isn't mirroring for SOME reason.
One of you is Mafia? One of you is Town?
Why is your MAFIA side voting your town side, and your TOWN side voting FOURMASKWOLF?
Pretty bias, there.
Semantically correct as that is. :I
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 16, 2017, 12:37:03 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2017, 12:44:51 pm
Not for no reason.:V
> You believe 4mask is scum. [Contrary, I must be not telling a true thing about what I did yesterday unless there's something really weird with redirection and my jailkeeping]
> You vote 4mask with your town side.
> You WASTE your vote on your town side, with your mafia side.
I'm feeling like you are biased despite playing a twin-tale tail.
And there's nothing we can do other than mass vote onto a person.
So why would you want people to vote 'TBF-Alpha' when you are, inherently, ONE PERSON. I mean I'm bloody OKAY with it anyway given my blood pressure levels rising at such a rate that I can use it in a hydraulic pump or fire hose, to extinguish the possible fires that would happen if I kept it in any longer.
BUT HEEEEY I'm all alone here--the only reason this didn't end is because I've a kill. :I And you want me to vote alongside you onto 4maskwolf. I mean it makes sense maybe :V
But then Tiruin was the Mafias. :^
[And the whole case is rendered invalid because of bias of a Mafia player going against their own wincondition to support the Town]
Yeah no.
Town's *probably* still screwed, especially if I stop fooling around, unless you have a daykill.Quit it.
Do something.
I'm not moving.
Post by: Tiruin on April 17, 2017, 01:22:14 am
It's a looooong day. Crickets all away.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 17, 2017, 09:32:07 am
Because this stalemate is basically your fault for perpetuating.
Post by: Tiruin on April 17, 2017, 09:51:30 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 17, 2017, 11:50:37 pm
Town's *probably* still screwed, especially if I stop fooling around, unless you have a daykill.When will you finally stop fooling around?
I'm waiting for you to do something, Tiruin.Because I'm done.
Because this stalemate is basically your fault for perpetuating.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 18, 2017, 09:40:55 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 18, 2017, 10:11:46 am
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 18, 2017, 11:22:04 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 18, 2017, 06:36:45 pm
Tiruin(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(2): [Tiruin, 4maskwolf]
4maskwolf(2): [TBF Alpha, 4maskwolf]
TBF Alpha(1): [TBF Beta]
TBF Beta(0): []
Not Voting:
"And nobody dies. Wonderful. If you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm."
And then a portal appeared and sucked Tiruin and BlackHeartKabal into it.
Tiruin and BlackHeartKabal have been removed from the game. Players removed from the game cannot act or be acted upon.
Night has begun. Night ends Thursday, 6:00 P.M. Central/Forum time. Send in your actions, if you can!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 20, 2017, 08:20:04 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 20, 2017, 08:31:44 pm
Ah well, I don't think more players would have been appreciated anyway.
Post by: Tiruin on April 20, 2017, 09:35:01 pm
Have my ::)
Also you're the only person who can speak at night. :O
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 20, 2017, 09:51:22 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 20, 2017, 10:37:50 pm
Tiruin and BlackHeartKabal have returned to the game.
Scanning corpse. Analysis follows.
TBF Alpha was TBF Alpha(town).
(Auto): Enthusiasm: Nothing can stop you from posting in the thread!
(1-Shot, Day, Unusable): In Again!: After you die, this ability loses the Unusable tag. Using this ability lets you join the game again with a new role submission. Note that your alignment will be randomly determined if you do this(same odds as You Go In Too!). You cannot use this ability if you have deadchat access(which is optional in your case).
(1-Shot, Night): You Go In Too!: Choose a non-player and compose a 250-char or shorter message. I will offer the chosen non-player a spot in the game with a PM, and include your message in the PM. If they accept, they will submit a role name and join the game with that role at the start of the following day. Their alignment will be randomly determined: They will have a 2/9 chance of being mafia, and a 7/9 chance of being town.
"Well then. I think we know what happens now, right?"
Day 5 begins. Day 5 ends 6:00 P.M. Central/Forum time Tuesday.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 20, 2017, 10:53:02 pm
TBF Beta votes BHK.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 21, 2017, 04:20:08 am
Hopefully.
BHK shorten
Post by: Tiruin on April 21, 2017, 06:52:07 am
<.<
BHK
Shorten
This is just wow. You've two roles in one. :o
And a lack of communication? :-\
Post by: webadict on April 21, 2017, 08:03:32 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 21, 2017, 08:08:57 am
What a fun game.Sorry :-[ :'(
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 21, 2017, 08:09:50 am
Post by: webadict on April 21, 2017, 09:22:13 am
I don't think you truly understand.What a fun game.Sorry :-[ :'(
Post by: Tiruin on April 21, 2017, 09:30:58 am
I don't u_uI don't think you truly understand.What a fun game.Sorry :-[ :'(
But in the place of talking more about that, I'm just waiting for day end instead of going through more of this :/
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 21, 2017, 11:29:20 am
Welp. Here goes.10 of 10 gamethrowing
TBF Beta votes BHK.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 21, 2017, 12:35:59 pm
Shorten.
Sorry.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 21, 2017, 12:40:39 pm
Votecount:
Tiruin(0): []
BlackHeartKabal(3): [Tiruin, 4maskwolf, TBF Beta]
4maskwolf(0): []
TBF Alpha(0): []
TBF Beta(0): []
Not Voting: TBF Alpha, BlackHeartKabal
Seeing as the only way for this to not end this way now would be for somebody to play against their win condition, I'm calling it. And I got ninjad by a shorten vote. Okay.
There were five remaining. Unfortunately for the town, three of those remaining were Canadian.
The L.Y.N.C.H.'s energy beam disintegrated BlackHeartKabal in an instant.
Analysis follows.
BlackHeartKabal was A role crafted out of the concept of a Gambler(town):
(Night): Play for Stakes [target]: You accost your target and force them to play a game of dice with you. You and your target both roll 5 dice(this is handled by the mod), and whoever has the highest total is the winner. In the event of a tie, nothing happens. When you use this action, you may also choose the stakes.
-(Stakes): Your Life: The loser is killed.
-(Stakes): Your Vote: At the end of the next day, the loser votes for whoever the winner is voting for, unless some other ability forces them to vote differently.
-(Stakes): Your Information: The winner learns what one of the loser’s abilities, chosen at random, is. Mafiakills cannot be revealed by this.
(1-Shot, Day): Casino Royale: All players gain (1-Shot, Day): Slot Machine. The day is extended by 48 hours.
(Night): Draw a Card: You draw the top card of the Deck of Many Things. Odds are this will either be really good or really bad. You cannot draw the same card twice.
Spoiler: Slot Machine Reference (click to show/hide)
"Well then. Will one of you fine Canadians please do the honor of killing off the town half of the fish?"
A perhaps reluctant hail of bullets impacted TBF Alpha, killing him in an instant.
Analysis follows.
TBF Alpha was The FBYOR Role With Two Daykills(town):
(1-Shot, Day): Taking the lynch into your own hands [target]: If today ended with a no lynch, you kill the target before night starts.
(1-Shot, Night): Kill the day: The next day is skipped.
"Well then. Now that you three've won, I'll be fine providing transport back to your homeland. Anything else you want to do before you go?"
"Could we finish off our Canadian breakfast buffet?"
"... okay. Fine."
Needless to say, it was delicious, all of it from the Kraft to the pancakes to the poutine.
"Anything else?"
"Can I keep my books?"
"Yes, you can keep your books. Anything else?"
"So... what's with all this Canada business anyway?"
"I'll let Tiruin explain that to you. Goodbye. Have fun conquering the world."
The portal was opened. The Canadian mafia left in joy.
One thing you can do until I post the end game posts is talk about what needed fixing and what was good in this game. This is only the second game I've run, and I could definitely use some feedback, as evidenced by the chatter in the scumchat and deadchat.
One thing I definitely know now, however, is to bloody limit hyper-flexible and hyper-abusable abilities like In Again.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 21, 2017, 12:42:28 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 21, 2017, 12:44:49 pm
Warning: I claim veto power over all submitted Shakeragian roles. If I don't think I can make something fun and balanced out of it, I will ask for a new submission.
If I ever included an ability like In Again again, it would be severely limited(no Shakeragian submission, can only be used day after death occurred, maybe only get one ability in your new role).
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 21, 2017, 12:45:51 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 21, 2017, 12:47:02 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 21, 2017, 12:48:04 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 21, 2017, 12:53:34 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 21, 2017, 01:02:09 pm
Mafiachat link (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/fbp8HTHn2j7kY), to those who want it.
Post by: Jack A T on April 21, 2017, 01:13:36 pm
But seriously, two things:
*Take the veto power. In general.
*If someone tries to truly break the game with a Shakeragian idea, you can always do what Webadict does: break them.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 21, 2017, 01:20:09 pm
Post by: webadict on April 21, 2017, 01:52:59 pm
The theme this round is: Basic.You better believe I make them pay.
But seriously, two things:
*Take the veto power. In general.
*If someone tries to truly break the game with a Shakeragian idea, you can always do what Webadict does: break them.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 21, 2017, 01:53:50 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 21, 2017, 02:05:08 pm
I knew I should have just killed Tiruin day 1. ::)You should've made an actual case since day 1. :P
Game not thrown, game horribly broken.You spent a week going against the team, and even then I'M BEING BLAMED because "it's my fault to hold up the game"-
Shorten.
Sorry.
is what I'd have said if I was still annoyed at what had happened. But I'm not :v
I'd really like you to be more detailed or concise rather than place down a hail of brevity. x~x Your D1 was okay.
The endgame wasn't :/
Seeing as the only way for this to not end this way now would be for somebody to play against their win condition, I'm calling it. And I got ninjad by a shorten vote. Okay.How is there any correlation between a role's alignment, and the role title submitted? ._.
Aughh I'd be saying yesssss but then I'd just fluster around having said what I did...in multiple quicktopics >_>The theme this round is: Basic.You better believe I make them pay.
But seriously, two things:
*Take the veto power. In general.
*If someone tries to truly break the game with a Shakeragian idea, you can always do what Webadict does: break them.
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TBF Alpha was The FBYOR Role With Two Daykills(town)HOW IN THE WORLD IS THIS 'BIASED TOWN' <_<
How did you STILL retain an old role? O_o
Why are there roles that are using the Shakeragian cover to mean 'bring your own VERY SPECIFIC ABILITY'??
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(1-Shot, Night): You Go In Too!: Choose a non-player and compose a 250-char or shorter message. I will offer the chosen non-player a spot in the game with a PM, and include your message in the PM. If they accept, they will submit a role name and join the game with that role at the start of the following day. Their alignment will be randomly determined: They will have a 2/9 chance of being mafia, and a 7/9 chance of being town.How is TBF a NON player when it's his SOMEHOW STRANGE DOUBLE ROLE that is dead!?
I'm stressed. All formatting is emphasis instead of anything else. :-\ :'(
Webadict/Merchant chat (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/Ltrz4cmEpayhR)
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 21, 2017, 02:12:41 pm
Here. (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/DTZz5xQKdWs)
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*Take the veto power. In general.Hm. How about...
Warning: I reserve the right to veto your role submission. Do not expect to have me use this unless you submit something guidelines-ey or extremely Shakeragian. I don't expect to need it, but better to have it and be prepared.
It's going to be a bit before I can post the full stuffs, but in the meantime, I can supply the night action list, being easy to copy/paste.
Spoiler: Long (click to show/hide)
How is there any correlation between a role's alignment, and the role title submitted?The only way there should be a correlation is in the case of a third party: If somebody submitted something like "Brainwasher" and got third party, they would get a different alignment than if they submitted "Murderer" and got third party.
In the future, trying to submit a Shakeragian role that asks for a specific alignment will probably be cause for me to use veto.
Post by: webadict on April 21, 2017, 02:14:41 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 21, 2017, 02:19:05 pm
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(1-Shot, Day, Unusable): In Again!: After you die, this ability loses the Unusable tag. Using this ability lets you join the game again with a new role submission. Note that your alignment will be randomly determined if you do this(same odds as You Go In Too!). You cannot use this ability if you have deadchat access(which is optional in your case).
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[...]The surprise joining was quite the surprise, because either my English comprehension is broken, or I parsed his D1 lynch as ONE SHOT to have been used entirely outright.
D4 Actions:
TheBiggerFish goes In Again!
D5 Actions:
TBF Alpha uses In Again.
D5 Results:
TBF Alpha joins the game again, which doesn’t save him from the mafia.
Still curious how in the world you can become 'Beta and Alpha' and retain the EXACT copy of your lynched role, including the one-shot.
Wait... why would role have any effect on your alignment, period?Also yes please, with buttered pancakes.
Also the # of your roles.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 21, 2017, 02:25:56 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 21, 2017, 02:26:25 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 21, 2017, 02:34:15 pm
On a lighter note, to the veteran players here: what can I do to improve my scum game?More activity :P
I was so lonely in the scumchat :I that I appreciated all your posts just as much as if we had the same timezones: Meaning, I'm just lonely in general. Also I liked the insight of your posts and the acuity with them.
Quote from: Doll's insight
I mean, this is what she claims on P49 and I wouldn't put it past Tiruin to leave something she had already decided to do to the last minute and then say 'oh I accidentally didn't do it because of timezones'.I- ._. I logged in at 11am. The day ended at 8am.
In all truth, my alarm didn't (it did, but I went all BLUUUHHHHH and 'disabled the alarm' for the day, because I had a good lucid dream)
So...yeah. Once in a mafia-lifetime. I did feel real bad because of that though. :-[ I really dislike using timezones as a reason, and it wasn't.
Although I also feel bad because nobody made a case on me being scum. ;~; My wording is horribly messy but this isn't the sentence configuration I'm happy with, it's like a contrast between early day stuff, and people's validity in making the case--all I've posted before D3 or so was town-me. I was pretty ":V" at TBF's role, but also wanted to nudge the activity; I would've paid more attention to the jailkeeping power (and doll's subsequent mention of immunity to roleblocks so we can high-five and dance our way to victory if I was town,
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 21, 2017, 06:08:11 pm
Post by: doll on April 21, 2017, 07:25:51 pm
Although I also feel bad because nobody made a case on me being scum.There were stronger targets on D3 to go after. You had claimed two day actions given to you by other players, but nothing about your own role so it would have been trivial to railroad town into a Tiruin lynch after the end of the day but harder to do so before you had shown your hand. Also, I couldn't check half the things you claimed about day actions (only being able to use one, for instance) because I had and have no idea what the actual action rules were.
I was leaning on 4mask early in the day but the bomb was the only way I could really justify a kill on TDS and juicebox used it so badly. If the bomb had been on me, we could have lynched 4mask and left the bomb on me if he flipped town or removed the bomb if 4mask flipped scum, and had a 90%+ chance of hitting a scum with half the time not even hitting town.
Webadict would have chased you D3 but he was dead.
P.S.
You never told us that your day-action abduction-protect targeted you as well as the three others.
It's amusing to note that neither scum player claimed their role when every town player alive had fullclaimed D3.
It's amusing because it would only have been an issue if D4 wasn't a clusterfuck and scum knew D4 was going to be a clusterfuck.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 21, 2017, 08:24:09 pm
Question: Would my role submission be vetoed if I had tried to use it in a future game? For reference, it was "The Fallacy's BYOR 2 Role That Has The Only Vote That Determines Who Is Lynched, Even If It Belongs To A Dead Player" and was suitably weakened to make it game-changing rather than game-breaking.If you tried to use it in a future game, I'd veto it because players shouldn't use the same role twice.
If somebody else tried to use it in a future game, I'd veto it unless it was several games after this one, because stagnation and mimicry.
The role itself, however, is sufficiently weakenable that if you submitted it in FBYOR 3 and you didn't submit it in FBYOR 2, I would probably accept it.
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Wait... why would role have any effect on your alignment, period?It shouldn't unless the player was third party.
What happened in this game was Fish submitted a role using In Again. For reference: The Fallacy's BYOR 2 Role That Is Guaranteed To Be Town And Have The Same Wincon As A Town Player And Otherwise Count As Town, And (Guaranteed To) Have The Role Powers Of All Roles Ever In Fallacy's BYOR 2, Free From Use Restrictions Aside From The Initial Use Restrictions Applied To Said Powers As Part Of Their Generation Process.
If In Again rolled town, I would have been easily able(well, not easily, but doable) to nerf it. It rolled mafia. Paradox. Which is another reason I'm vetoing roles that try for a specific alignment using shakeragianness in the future.
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Fish shouldn't have posted about the game outside the game. In retrospect, I probably should have given him a warning then, and that's what I'll endeavor to do in the future.
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There's also the whole "I'll take my SOs and leave" thing that happened which was way not cool on so many levels.And then there's this, which I'll look more thoroughly into later because my time is limited right now.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 21, 2017, 08:30:13 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 22, 2017, 03:06:57 am
P.S.I said we'd all be removed from the game in a post further on. I did not explicitly say protect, because it wasn't like that--it hides people, and makes them untargetable, even towards each other. :O
You never told us that your day-action abduction-protect targeted you as well as the three others.
I also hinted about the kill roles given how I mentioned things before, but that's more of a soft-assumption on my part too.
This turned out way more bastard than I thoughtDon't pull out next time please. Because that's a coping habit--it'll be one of the possibilities you'll think about in the future if people don't bring it up now for adjustment and change. You're one of those people too. You're young; do not resort to actions like that to be how you handle a situation. Follow it up with something else that'd help a lot more.
Also I doubly agree.
I figured as much from what he posted in the quicktopic. Further feedback is in the Mafia Quicktopic (eg NO QUICKTOPIC ACCESS FOR DUAL ALIGNMENTS), and alongside that--that isn't a ROLE. It is a ALIGNMENT REQUEST.Question: Would my role submission be vetoed if I had tried to use it in a future game? For reference, it was "The Fallacy's BYOR 2 Role That Has The Only Vote That Determines Who Is Lynched, Even If It Belongs To A Dead Player" and was suitably weakened to make it game-changing rather than game-breaking.If you tried to use it in a future game, I'd veto it because players shouldn't use the same role twice.
If somebody else tried to use it in a future game, I'd veto it unless it was several games after this one, because stagnation and mimicry.
The role itself, however, is sufficiently weakenable that if you submitted it in FBYOR 3 and you didn't submit it in FBYOR 2, I would probably accept it.
~~~Wait... why would role have any effect on your alignment, period?It shouldn't unless the player was third party.
What happened in this game was Fish submitted a role using In Again. For reference: The Fallacy's BYOR 2 Role That Is Guaranteed To Be Town And Have The Same Wincon As A Town Player And Otherwise Count As Town, And (Guaranteed To) Have The Role Powers Of All Roles Ever In Fallacy's BYOR 2, Free From Use Restrictions Aside From The Initial Use Restrictions Applied To Said Powers As Part Of Their Generation Process.
If In Again rolled town, I would have been easily able(well, not easily, but doable) to nerf it. It rolled mafia. Paradox. Which is another reason I'm vetoing roles that try for a specific alignment using shakeragianness in the future.
That's a pretty blatant or cheap way to 'bring your own role', honestly. I've forgotten the word for that kind of acting.
But there should be a baseline for what constitutes a role. Like "NOTHING THAT GIVES DIRECT MENTION OF WHAT THE ABILITIES ARE" for one. This was my whole gripe of how "Shakeragian" roles become very much into a token idea rather than a playable concept.
Post by: hops on April 22, 2017, 08:38:21 am
mfw
Post by: Tiruin on April 22, 2017, 08:57:33 am
I called Tiruin on being scum and got OMGUSed...The only time you mentioned that was when your ability blew up and you got silenced. Then you voted me out of nowhere. :v
mfw
The recency effect is strong in this game, with people going "OMG I KNEW IT SHE WAS SCUM AHAH". :-\
:'(
It's like nothing I wrote in the Mafia quicktopic actually matters.
Post by: webadict on April 22, 2017, 12:42:48 pm
You were actually pretty suspicious at the end of Day 2. It's half the reason I stopped telling you the truth in the chat. That, and because you didn't use your ability before the end of the Day. That pretty much cemented it. Of course, the goal was the get doll to go after you, but the only thing I had was NOT giving him a gift, which is why I had to tell you I was going to. TBF was probably the most useless person I've ever met, so I couldn't ask him for anything other than to make the game worse, but I think he successfully does that by not trying.I called Tiruin on being scum and got OMGUSed...The only time you mentioned that was when your ability blew up and you got silenced. Then you voted me out of nowhere. :v
mfw
The recency effect is strong in this game, with people going "OMG I KNEW IT SHE WAS SCUM AHAH". :-\
:'(
It's like nothing I wrote in the Mafia quicktopic actually matters.
I didn't count on the fact that you could track me when you killed me, but it actually worked out better in my favor, since you actually had no clue I was lying to you.
But, that's too bad.
Frankly, 4 scum players against 6 town players seems a little unbalanced.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 22, 2017, 12:57:47 pm
Post by: webadict on April 22, 2017, 02:10:36 pm
There were only two scum to begin with. Then fish split in two, so it was more like two and a half scum players.No, I think you mean TBF started the game as scum, then gained an additional body to ruin the game with.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 22, 2017, 07:55:55 pm
Fish went In Again as that monstrosity and rolled scum.
Only way to keep the role intact and keep In Again intact was what happened. Fish became two players, one town and one scum.
This is why I'm taking the veto power.
Post by: Tiruin on April 22, 2017, 11:26:17 pm
You were actually pretty suspicious at the end of Day 2. It's half the reason I stopped telling you the truth in the chat. That, and because you didn't use your ability before the end of the Day. That pretty much cemented it.I wanted to, honestly, but timezones had me away until 3 hours post-lynch. >_>
But of course nobody will believe me here because of the cynicality that SOMEHOW I've been trying the whole game to dislodge. <.<
If I ever see people being shortsighted and using the 'but you are scum' mentality, I'm going to give a wall of text for them to talk to. Talk to the wall. Especially if that's the core of what they say instead of anything progressive.
Also no worries FoU--take this as a learning experience. Some people can remain bitter about it but in the end, how they display it affects them too; if there's little to no constructiveness about it that is. Which in seeing everyone here, isn't the case. :D
And get Mod advice too. BYORs are somewhat fragile to imbalance.
Although really I recommend people to try out the BM if they think they need improvement.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on April 23, 2017, 03:21:48 am
Post by: Lenglon on April 23, 2017, 03:59:11 am
Well, I guess I was right that time I thought Tiruin was scum. "My gut told me so" isn't really a solid case though.I'd accept it.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 23, 2017, 01:46:29 pm
That makes me sad.
Post by: webadict on April 23, 2017, 02:26:36 pm
No advice for 4mask...Ummm... Get a name that doesn't start with a number?
That makes me sad.
Post by: hops on April 23, 2017, 02:35:29 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 23, 2017, 05:47:35 pm
Because I'm feeling pretty superficialized right now.
Post by: webadict on April 23, 2017, 05:50:35 pm
I would appreciate interactive advice rather than commentary advice--like the whole 'ahh she's just scum [end conversation]' >_>Well, you DID reject the accusations leveled against you at face value... There's not a lot we can tell you if you won't listen.
Because I'm feeling pretty superficialized right now.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 23, 2017, 08:08:02 pm
Alright, I'll make an account named "no lynch" instead.No advice for 4mask...Ummm... Get a name that doesn't start with a number?
That makes me sad.
Any practical game advice based on this game?
Post by: webadict on April 23, 2017, 08:19:20 pm
Well, you weren't that active... So... There's not much to judge.Alright, I'll make an account named "no lynch" instead.No advice for 4mask...Ummm... Get a name that doesn't start with a number?
That makes me sad.
Any practical game advice based on this game?
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 23, 2017, 10:47:09 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 24, 2017, 12:09:52 am
Webby, nobody tried making a comprehensive case at all.I would appreciate interactive advice rather than commentary advice--like the whole 'ahh she's just scum [end conversation]' >_>Well, you DID reject the accusations leveled against you at face value... There's not a lot we can tell you if you won't listen.
Because I'm feeling pretty superficialized right now.
All the 'accusations' were 'you're behaving differently', which I deconstructed in its entire annoying entirety in multiple places. -_-
There's not a lot I can respond to if there's no basis other than personally understood bases.
Like seriously. I keep seeing this--and recently the joke of 'Tiruin is always scum' has now taken that kind of stoopid bias. "Because you behave differently!" Ugh!
That feeling, is behaving differently. Not explicitly behaving scummy. That implies Town'ing is a norm.
Post by: doll on April 24, 2017, 09:00:11 am
I'll take the chance to self-aggrandize though:
Tiruin
I never picked you up as scum because you never slipped as scum (that I could read), until you showed yourself as scum with the day actions (last posts D3).
However, you never slipped as town. You did very little to establish yourself as town; you took no risks, were very conservative with information, etc. For this reason, I either:
Spoiler: had no read on you at a time when I had read BHK and Webadict as town (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: saw you as a 2/3 chance of scum (click to show/hide)
Basically, I had a lot of reasons to put pressure on you (for being 'anti-town' in not sharing role information, in particular) but I was distracted by what appeared to be real scum as opposed to less than ideal townplay.
Also, I dunno what you're talking about with considering personally understood (and otherwise meaningless) cases to be something you can't address. That's exactly what you should be addressing from the start, by creating the image of townness. Thinking 'did he tick the boxes for scum' isn't an efficient way to play at all because it has no real bearing on whether or not you can get someone lynched. Leafsnail did it all through P25 and as soon as I did the same thing (when I was trying to get him lynched) I completely failed to move the town; the whole exercise was futile because logical thought will inevitably reach the conclusion that town can scumslip too and outlining your logical thoughts isn't a good way to generate the emotional energy required to get people to take action.
Anyway, you were scum because you weren't town. Other (town) players were scum for actually being scum, so they got lynched first and you were able to coast along just off the edge of a lynch until mechanics (and FoU/TBF) rode out the rest of the game.
4maskwolf
Most of what I said to Tiruin applies to you, only she was more aggressive (and thus townier).
It's not so much a question of activity (although activity helps) but more importance. If you can make yourself a major case on D1, the towny glow of working off a case will last the rest of the game (see: BHK this game or my P25).
I liked your case against me (using my case against you), because it legitimately criticized the behavior which would (in part) cause me to lose the game; not going after hard targets. Of course, I went after soft targets because soft, scummy smelling things are more likely to be scum than hard shells with unknown interiors.
On the back of that case and your purposeful manner, I read you as town in early D4.
Basically, make more of a scene I guess?
FoU
I don't know what you're talking about with 'vetos' or 'role restrictions'.
Language has no inherent meaning (that is, asocially). There was never a 'paradox'. You made that interpretation up with your own mind, 100%. Every role and rule was your choice from go to the red light at the end. You were never not in control. You never had to live up to the expectation of any player or otherwise follow any restrictions in your conduct.
Fundamentally, you should do whatever you think is best for the game. TBF's role(s), TDS's role, and the un-extend had nothing (0%) to do with anything other than your own deliberate action. I don't know why you're asking for advice when all I can really say is "don't deliberately make the game bad". Also, just don't give a shit and do whatever suits you best. Usually that means running with things, sometimes not; it is and always was up to you.
Post by: Tiruin on April 24, 2017, 09:18:03 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 24, 2017, 01:48:19 pm
~~~
Spoiler: Rolls are delicious (click to show/hide)
Mod errors: This is for outright errors, not design mistakes.
There were three.
Before that, though: In the next OP, I'll make it clear that players can take only one action per phase and only one extension per day. Thought that they would be assumed.
One:
Mod mistake. Ignore.
Tiruin said to use Mini Casino Royale when she had already used a day action. This post was me starting to resolve the action before I realized that.
Two:
I accidentally included Headstrong's hidden component in Deus Asmoth's role PM. As soon as I realized that, I shot him a PM telling him to delete the PM and then a corrected role PM.
Three, and most seriously:
I rolled off when it came to choosing what ability in TheDarkStar's role to destroy. I didn't factor in the fact that his Slot Machine could be destroyed by that effect, increasing the chance of his other abilities being destroyed. I did make a second roll after I realized that, however, which had a chance of undoing Deciding Vote's destruction, but didn't.
Sorry about all that. I'll try to do better in the future.
Post by: Lenglon on April 24, 2017, 02:54:26 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 24, 2017, 04:18:48 pm
I think you missed doll.There is that.
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I don't know what you're talking about with 'vetos' or 'role restrictions'.There is that. Every part of the game is a product of my own choice. Aside from player choices, anyhow. I just felt pressured to keep the literal wording of TBF's role submission. That's why I want the veto(to say, no, I'm not making a role from that, submit something else), so I can fulfill the literal meaning of only the Shakeragian submissions that I can still twist.
Language has no inherent meaning (that is, asocially). There was never a 'paradox'. You made that interpretation up with your own mind, 100%. Every role and rule was your choice from go to the red light at the end. You were never not in control. You never had to live up to the expectation of any player or otherwise follow any restrictions in your conduct.
Fundamentally, you should do whatever you think is best for the game. TBF's role(s), TDS's role, and the un-extend had nothing (0%) to do with anything other than your own deliberate action. I don't know why you're asking for advice when all I can really say is "don't deliberately make the game bad". Also, just don't give a shit and do whatever suits you best. Usually that means running with things, sometimes not; it is and always was up to you.
The FBYOR Role with Two Daykills is fun and a nice submission. The FBYOR Role with Two Daykills that Are Exactly As I Want is not.
As for the only one extension per day: I might have a solution to that as well. One extension per day, with an extra one once per game that may or may not require additional votes. We'll see.
Post by: webadict on April 24, 2017, 04:34:41 pm
Examples:
The Fallacy's BYOR 2 Role That Has The Only Vote That Determines Who Is Lynched, Even If It Belongs To A Dead Player
(Auto) "I didn't vote for you": You are unlynchable.
(Auto) Determination: At the end of the Day, the player you vote for is lynched. If that player is not the majority, you die.
(1-Shot) Who Died?: Become King during the next Day Phase. You are the only player that can vote.
Boom, he has multiple vote related powers and protections. It fits his role, and trying to abuse the power results in death. Standard Shakeragian.
Example 2:
The Fallacy's BYOR 2 Role That Is Guaranteed To Be Town And Have The Same Wincon As A Town Player And Otherwise Count As Town, And (Guaranteed To) Have The Role Powers Of All Roles Ever In Fallacy's BYOR 2, Free From Use Restrictions Aside From The Initial Use Restrictions Applied To Said Powers As Part Of Their Generation Process(mafia, hypothetically)
Hahahaha, oh my god this is easy.
(Auto) Suicide: You die immediately. You did say EVERY power.
Then kill him immediately. That is all I would've done. Not a joke. You get that specific, you ask for trouble.
Post by: Lenglon on April 24, 2017, 04:45:18 pm
Post by: webadict on April 24, 2017, 04:48:16 pm
no, i mean, you didn't post doll's role.He replaced someone.
Post by: Lenglon on April 24, 2017, 04:56:12 pm
(checks list of night actions.)
(see You go In too used on doll)
...
(then see that TBF was blocked from doing it.)
...
(sees doll use a bit of borrowing)
(checks list of role powers.)
...
doll replaced Deus.
oh.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 26, 2017, 02:25:05 am
Damn.