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[Bien]

Does room quality affect dwarf morale?

[Mechanoid]

Yes.

A dwarf eating in a "Dining Room" wont be as happy as one eating in a "Royal Dining Room"

As well, keep in mind that if anything is "shared" the quality is reduced and the dwarf gets a unhappy thought... So make sure that chairs and tables arn't shared between dwarves, along with containers, room space, etc.

Table/chair setup to seat 4 dwarves:

code:

Incorrect:
CTCT
TCTC
Correct:
CTTC
CTTC

[Fieari]

Room quality effects moral.  Room quality for the dining room effects moral twice as much as for anything else, maybe even more.  If the dining hall is good enough, your dwarves will be the happiest little buggers even in the face of horrible tragedies everywhere else.  They could be wading through baby guts on the way to work every day, accosted by vermin, made to sleep on the stone floor, outside, in the rain, while their clothes are rotting off, but if the dining room is nice enough, they'll overlook these "trivial" things and be overwhelmingly happy.

[Keilden]

quote:Originally posted by Mechanoid:
<STRONG>Yes.

A dwarf eating in a "Dining Room" wont be as happy as one eating in a "Royal Dining Room"

As well, keep in mind that if anything is "shared" the quality is reduced and the dwarf gets a unhappy thought... So make sure that chairs and tables arn't shared between dwarves, along with containers, room space, etc.

Table/chair setup to seat 4 dwarves:

code:

Incorrect:
CTCT
TCTC
Correct:
CTTC
CTTC

</STRONG>

Dwarfs are greedy.

[Eagle of Fire]

quote:Room quality effects moral. Room quality for the dining room effects moral twice as much as for anything else, maybe even more. If the dining hall is good enough, your dwarves will be the happiest little buggers even in the face of horrible tragedies everywhere else. They could be wading through baby guts on the way to work every day, accosted by vermin, made to sleep on the stone floor, outside, in the rain, while their clothes are rotting off, but if the dining room is nice enough, they'll overlook these "trivial" things and be overwhelmingly happy.

Hey, that must be why my Dwarves are not throwing tantrums all over the place like in my other games even tough their quarters are really bland in comparison now. In my latest game, I decided to plan ahead and build a big dining room.

code:

X = Walls   . = Ground  O = Wells
h = Chairs  n = Tables
    Main corridor
       ^
       |
XX++XX+++XX++XX
X.............X
X.............X
X.O.........O.X
X.............X
X.....hhh.....X
X....hnnnh....X
X....hnXnh....X
X....hnnnh....X
X.....hhh.....X
X.............X
X.O.........O.X
X.............X
X.............X
XX++XXXXXXXXXXX
   |
   V
  To Kitchen and food depot

I don't play with immigration limits, and this setup worked way fine for me up to almost 80 Dwarves now even tough I didn't even engraved the room, only smoothered the walls. I do have a problem with the magma workshops tough, because I built my dining room really near the entrance. I'm thinking about waiting for after the river before building that kind of room for my next fortress, because with more than one dining room then it really ought to create some heavy needless traffic between the two places...

Question: I didn't noticed a difference with my Dwarves, but if I understood correctly then I should remove 4 chairs in that setup else some Dwarves are going to get a "shared" thought if there's alot of Dwarves eating at the same time, right?

[Grek]

quote:Originally posted by Eagle of Fire:
<STRONG>
Question: I didn't noticed a difference with my Dwarves, but if I understood correctly then I should remove 4 chairs in that setup else some Dwarves are going to get a "shared" thought if there's alot of Dwarves eating at the same time, right?</STRONG>

Add tables and chairs untill it is more of a this shape:

code:

X = Walls   . = Ground  O = Wells
h = Chairs  n = Tables
XX++XX+++XX++XX
Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
X.Onhhn.nhhnO.X
Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
Xhnnhhh.nhhnnhX
Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
XhnnhhnXnhhnnhX
Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
X.Onhhn.nhhnO.X
Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
XX++XXXXXXXXXXX

[ June 28, 2007: Message edited by: Grek ]

[Veroule]

I just do rows of tables with 1 chair each like this

code:

tttttt
cccccc
tc
tc
tc
tc
tc
tc

By putting a few different banks of them near each food stockpile, all the dwarves have a table to sit at when they eat.  Each is set as its own room, and by sizing them big enough they class as decent dining rooms.  That is even with 1/4 penalty for overlapping.  This allows me to just assign a noble a table in an area where it is easy to pick up after them too.

[Neopergoss]

Add tables and chairs untill it is more of a this shape:

   code:

   X = Walls   . = Ground  O = Wells
   h = Chairs  n = Tables

   XX++XX+++XX++XX
   Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
   Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
   X.Onhhn.nhhnO.X
   Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
   Xhnnhhh.nhhnnhX
   Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
   XhnnhhnXnhhnnhX
   Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
   Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
   Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
   X.Onhhn.nhhnO.X
   Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
   Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
   XX++XXXXXXXXXXX

The problem with that is that most of the chairs and all of the wells are inaccessible due to the fact that dwarves won't climb over tables or chairs.

I didn't know that, either, until I tried building something like that.  Some of the furniture was blocking where I wanted to place other furniture, and it was a while before I figured out why.  This problem was made worse by the fact that I didn't know to use t instead of q to remove unplaced furniture.

[Neopergoss]

quote: Add tables and chairs untill it is more of a this shape:

code:

 
    X = Walls   . = Ground  O = Wells
    h = Chairs  n = Tables
    XX++XX+++XX++XX
    Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
    Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
    X.Onhhn.nhhnO.X
    Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
    Xhnnhhh.nhhnnhX
    Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
    XhnnhhnXnhhnnhX
    Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
    Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
    Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
    X.Onhhn.nhhnO.X
    Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
    Xhnnhhn.nhhnnhX
    XX++XXXXXXXXXXX
 

The problem with that is that most of the chairs and all of the wells are inaccessible due to the fact that dwarves won't climb over tables or chairs.

I didn't know that, either, until I tried building something like that.  Some of the furniture was blocking where I wanted to place other furniture, and it was a while before I figured out why.  This problem was made worse by the fact that I didn't know to use t instead of q to remove unplaced furniture.

[puke]

quote:Originally posted by Neopergoss:
<STRONG>

The problem with that is that most of the chairs and all of the wells are inaccessible due to the fact that dwarves won't climb over tables or chairs.</STRONG>

huh.  they do all the time in my forts.  how'd you teach them table manners?

[Eagle of Fire]

They also tend to walk over tables and chair in my game...

Suggestion: maybe they won't walk over a table or chair if someone already queued a use for it.  

[Reynard]

My dining room layout...
# - Wall
O - Statue
b - Buffet table (stockpile for cooked food only)
C/c - high/low table chair
T/t - high/low table
D - door

code:

#############################
#Obbb..#OOOOOO#OOOOOO#..bbbO#
#bbbb...................bbbb#
#bbbb..CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC..bbbb#
#bbb...TTTTTTTTTTTTTTT...bbb#
D...........................D
D...........................D
D...........................D
#O..cc.#.cc...#...cc.#.cc..O#
#O..tt...tt.......tt...tt..O#
#O.cttc.cttc.....cttc.cttc.O#
#O.cttc.cttc.....cttc.cttc.O#
#O.cttc.cttc.....cttc.cttc.O#
#O.cttc.cttc.....cttc.cttc.O#
#O.........................O#
##OOOOO#OOO#.....#OOO#OOOOO##
############DDDDD############

[Poil]

That's more like it. Bottle shaped tables, are you trying to tell us something?

[ June 30, 2007: Message edited by: Poil ]

[Poil]

wrong button, sorry for dubble post.

[ June 30, 2007: Message edited by: Poil ]