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« Reply #19755 on: May 11, 2018, 02:18:01 pm »

So if Netanyahu is claiming that Israel has the policy of "Whoever hurts us — we will hurt them sevenfold.", and Israel claims to have attacked 35 sites, does that mean that Iran attacked 5 Israeli installations?

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« Reply #19756 on: May 11, 2018, 02:23:35 pm »

So if Netanyahu is claiming that Israel has the policy of "Whoever hurts us — we will hurt them sevenfold.", and Israel claims to have attacked 35 sites, does that mean that Iran attacked 5 Israeli installations?
Iran (or groups backed by Iran, Isreal says Iran but it could be a proxy) fired 20 missiles at Golam, but all of them were intercepted and destroyed before hitting anything.
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« Reply #19757 on: May 11, 2018, 02:32:40 pm »

Yeah I think the Israelis claimed 3-5 shot down and the rest fell so short they didn’t bother
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« Reply #19758 on: May 11, 2018, 02:35:08 pm »

Whoops, misread it then. Still, no damage was done and the escalation point stands.
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« Reply #19759 on: May 11, 2018, 03:03:37 pm »

I mean, if someone launched missiles at California, would our response really be "they didn't actually hit us, so let's not fire back"?

I feel like we would probably do the same thing, except we probably would have killed a few hundred civilians with our drones at the same time.

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Also, just checking, are there any military targets in Golan Heights? That's apparently what Syria was targeting with their last failed missile strike.
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« Reply #19760 on: May 11, 2018, 03:22:53 pm »

Golan Heights were originally captured because of their strategic importance. There are definitely military installations there.
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« Reply #19761 on: May 11, 2018, 03:36:33 pm »

Oh yeah turns out i can use that google thing to just ask. There are whole army bases and the like.

Anyway yeah, looks like the Israeli's are basically saying syria escalated first, whereas Iran says that responding to Syria's missile strikes is a "violation of their sovereignty". It's everyone else's fault no matter who you ask, essentially.

Also, 70+ targets are being reported now.
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« Reply #19762 on: May 11, 2018, 03:48:03 pm »

I mean, if someone launched missiles at California, would our response really be "they didn't actually hit us, so let's not fire back"?

I feel like we would probably do the same thing, except we probably would have killed a few hundred civilians with our drones at the same time.

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Also, just checking, are there any military targets in Golan Heights? That's apparently what Syria was targeting with their last failed missile strike.
I'm not saying Isreal, or anyone really, shouldn't fire back. But responses should be proportional, rather than going for overkill.
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« Reply #19763 on: May 11, 2018, 04:58:09 pm »

Yeah, but, what is proportional to nigh-constant hostilities for 50+ years culminating in a regime that fires missiles over the border after a recent chemical attack on their own populace?

It looks like they've right about completely neutralized their ability to support conflict of any kind. That sounds... not really disproportional.
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« Reply #19764 on: May 11, 2018, 05:26:47 pm »

I just wanted to see if Ben's math was up to snuff.

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« Reply #19765 on: May 12, 2018, 10:26:36 am »

Interestingly, Russia does not seem to be condemning the Israeli strike.
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« Reply #19766 on: May 12, 2018, 10:56:44 am »

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia has sworn to start their own nuclear weapons program if Iran restarts theirs.
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« Reply #19767 on: May 12, 2018, 11:19:19 am »

So we canceled our nuclear deal, Israel wigs out, and now we could end up invading another middle eastern country for WMDs! Everyone loves that when it happens.

At least this time they are considering building them, maybe! We don't know yet.
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« Reply #19768 on: May 12, 2018, 11:36:43 am »

Interestingly, Russia does not seem to be condemning the Israeli strike.
The strike came a couple days after Netanyahu's visit to Moscow. It stands to reason that wasn't there only to attend the military parade, and everything was agreed on with uncle Putin.
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« Reply #19769 on: May 12, 2018, 12:08:16 pm »

Interestingly, Russia does not seem to be condemning the Israeli strike.
The strike came a couple days after Netanyahu's visit to Moscow. It stands to reason that wasn't there only to attend the military parade, and everything was agreed on with uncle Putin.

Some articles are indeed saying that Russia was pre-advised, and that Russia then forewarned Iran, who then sat there and did nothing, I guess?
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