Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 05:40:20 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 05:54:17 pm
For anyone who doesn't know, this is a continuation of the conversation that is keeping the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly at the top of the games list.
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 08:00:56 pm
Solymr, you say you are in college? How hard would you say it is compared to high school, particularly the last two years.This could be asked as a generality as i believe most Mafia players either are, or have passed through college. :p
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 08:02:33 pm
Okay Tiruin, what about you? What do you say?Solymr, you say you are in college? How hard would you say it is compared to high school, particularly the last two years.This could be asked as a generality as i believe most Mafia players either are, or have passed through college. :p
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 08:14:47 pm
Post by: Caz on March 09, 2014, 08:45:25 pm
/dramatization shh but it applies
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 08:53:45 pm
Post by: Caz on March 09, 2014, 09:01:39 pm
Honestly, I wouldn't characterize what you just did in Orbfalls as scummy. I think it's because you sometimes don't post very much content, though I usually don't use that as the grounds to my by someone. The only reason I voted for you in good bad ugly (yes, I abbreviated it) was to stay in NQT's good graces, because most of the town was lurking for various reasons (be they RL, fear, etc.)
Oh, I'm not talking about ongoing games, but it seems most times people peg me as scum whether I am or not. Maybe my playstyle is shit, idk.
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 09:06:28 pm
No, your playstyle is OK. Just keep at it. You're an awesome player (and really, I mean it because you did great before! I was just being mean and a jerk to you. Sorry..)
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 09:27:06 pm
Your playstyle isn't shit, it's just different. If the union had listened to your hunches in The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly, they could have won the game. But alas, it was not to be, and the scumteam won.Honestly, I wouldn't characterize what you just did in Orbfalls as scummy. I think it's because you sometimes don't post very much content, though I usually don't use that as the grounds to my by someone. The only reason I voted for you in good bad ugly (yes, I abbreviated it) was to stay in NQT's good graces, because most of the town was lurking for various reasons (be they RL, fear, etc.)
Oh, I'm not talking about ongoing games, but it seems most times people peg me as scum whether I am or not. Maybe my playstyle is shit, idk.
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 09:39:35 pm
Oops!
Anyways: 4mask: You were interested in College due to. . .?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 09:41:06 pm
Another game wherein Tiruin doesn't act on her intuition. Again. Ever.hmm?
Oops!
Anyways: 4mask: You were interested in College due to. . .?
Oh, Solymr and I were having a conversation about college earlier and he was saying how senior year of high school is so much harder. I believe you have stated your opinions on the matter.
*sigh* being a mod is hard.
Post by: Caz on March 09, 2014, 09:42:56 pm
Your playstyle isn't shit, it's just different. If the union had listened to your hunches in The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly, they could have won the game. But alas, it was not to be, and the scumteam won.Honestly, I wouldn't characterize what you just did in Orbfalls as scummy. I think it's because you sometimes don't post very much content, though I usually don't use that as the grounds to my by someone. The only reason I voted for you in good bad ugly (yes, I abbreviated it) was to stay in NQT's good graces, because most of the town was lurking for various reasons (be they RL, fear, etc.)
Oh, I'm not talking about ongoing games, but it seems most times people peg me as scum whether I am or not. Maybe my playstyle is shit, idk.
Eh, thanks, but anyone who took my opinions in that game would've been called a lunatic. Top play it wasn't. Hunches are only good if you can back them.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 09, 2014, 10:31:31 pm
Eh, thanks, but anyone who took my opinions in that game would've been called a lunatic. Top play it wasn't. Hunches are only good if you can back them.I use hunches all the time, that's usually the catalyst of my habit of tunneling people, I don't have any hard evidence when I do it. Hunches are good.
That said, I play mafia, and I haven't been to college, nor am I in one right now.
I only made it through High School, and I work at a fast food place.
I hate it so.
Post by: Caz on March 09, 2014, 10:40:16 pm
i believe most Mafia players either are, or have passed through college. :p
HA
Post by: Solymr on March 10, 2014, 08:21:25 am
Last year of high school is a month shorter than the rest, and there's almost as twice as much to learn than the previous one.
That month is dedicated to study for the university access test, which is a series of tests about every subject that takes three days.
Then first year of university is very general subjects, just a little focused on the career you chose.
Second year is quite hard because it's focused but quite broad so you have to study a lot.
Third year, where I am, is a lot more focused so there isn't much to learn. For example every subject I have is related to genetic engineering and they overlap in a lot of areas.
Fourth year is mostly made of optional subjects, projects and working in proffesional labs and such.
After that it's the master (I think you call it minor in USA) and doctorate or whatever you want to do.
Btw I should note that in what I'm doing there's less than 40 people each year.
And Tiruin, yes the big guns roll here. I've definitely seen some big guns around here :P
Post by: Shakerag on March 10, 2014, 09:58:26 am
Some of us passed through college a while ago >_>Solymr, you say you are in college? How hard would you say it is compared to high school, particularly the last two years.This could be asked as a generality as i believe most Mafia players either are, or have passed through college. :p
College was harder than high school for me, but that's because I enjoy inflicting pain upon myself and took the math-heavy computer science path as opposed to the more business-oriented path.
I think some of it comes down to the teacher, and some of it depends on how naturally good you are at a particular subject. I never really felt like I had much of a problem in grad school, but I never really had much of a problem in computer science classes in general. Except COBOL. Fuck you COBOL.
So, really, it can just vary by quite a bit.
Post by: Solymr on March 10, 2014, 04:59:33 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 05:08:50 pm
-snip-...
...I envy your workload. Third year is hell year. Fourth year is easy cruising if you survive third year. I survived but shifted due to 'hey I found a course wherein I can be happy with :D'
Post by: Solymr on March 10, 2014, 05:13:32 pm
I even plan on doing physics after this ends. Or after I get my project going.
Man I'm so sleepy now I don't even
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 05:18:47 pm
[...]Still not losing my sleep though.[...]Make time for sleep. You'll need it or else you'll be lacking in all aspects of your waking life. ;D
Man I'm so sleepy now I don't even
I mean it.
Post by: Solymr on March 10, 2014, 05:21:21 pm
Well it's actually me falling like a brick but heck it's good.
Post by: Shakerag on March 10, 2014, 05:25:09 pm
Make time for sleep. You'll need it or else you'll be lacking in all aspects of your waking life. ;DShe says right after a horrific nightmare. Sleep tight kids!
Post by: zombie urist on March 10, 2014, 06:04:12 pm
TtrurirnThis is the most hilarious misspelling of Tiruin yet.
Post by: Toaster on March 10, 2014, 10:37:50 pm
Except COBOL. Fuck you COBOL.
*looks at Shakerag's profile for his age*
Seriously? COBOL? Maybe if you were 10 years older...
But I apply the same feeling toward Scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_%28programming_language%29) and Squeak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak). I'm not sure why they felt like throwing obscure languages at us, but there you go.
Post by: Solymr on March 11, 2014, 08:05:23 am
This what happens when you try to spell late at night.TtrurirnThis is the most hilarious misspelling of Tiruin yet.
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 08:12:38 am
Also, since my school year officially (or..70% officially :v) starts in August (yay transition. Thank you K+12 program... >.>), and i've two months to spare...Anyone have a good idea if I should take a break from Mafia?
It looks best if I should.
I guess like I should.
Post by: Solymr on March 11, 2014, 08:51:15 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 08:58:47 am
You're joking, right?
OH, anyway there's something I was thinking of asking. How does the educational system feel there? As in, for the Philippines we're transitioning to the..erm, kindergarten + 12 years of education (wherein we usually graduated a 4 year college course at, like, 21 years old, with freshmen usually at around 17 yrs old age) or also known as K+12 program.
...
So I'd love to know how this works out in other countries. I'm against it..but well. Anyway. I won't be part of that new generation...
Post by: Solymr on March 11, 2014, 09:13:47 am
They don't have much for gifted child here :/ how's that around there?
And I don't know if tongue concussions are even possible :P
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 11, 2014, 09:21:25 am
Post by: Solymr on March 11, 2014, 09:26:20 am
That made me remark that as a baby I repeatedly jumped head first into the floor from the cradle.
Post by: Shakerag on March 11, 2014, 10:09:13 am
Yes, seriously. (http://catalog.niu.edu/preview_course_nopop.php?catoid=20&coid=54632)Except COBOL. Fuck you COBOL.
*looks at Shakerag's profile for his age*
Seriously? COBOL? Maybe if you were 10 years older...
But I apply the same feeling toward Scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_%28programming_language%29) and Squeak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak). I'm not sure why they felt like throwing obscure languages at us, but there you go.
I got my associate degree at a community college, and on my first semester when I transferred to NIU I took FORTRAN (http://catalog.niu.edu/preview_course.php?catoid=6&coid=14997) and mainframe assembler language (http://catalog.niu.edu/preview_course.php?catoid=6&coid=15004). I took two more assembler language courses in grad school, and at least one other course that had COBOL and assembler together.
And now here I am, working as an assembler language programmer.
Post by: Hapah on March 11, 2014, 10:18:39 am
Funny how that works! I'm not really using my degree in my job, oddly enough.Yes, seriously. (http://catalog.niu.edu/preview_course_nopop.php?catoid=20&coid=54632)Except COBOL. Fuck you COBOL.
*looks at Shakerag's profile for his age*
Seriously? COBOL? Maybe if you were 10 years older...
But I apply the same feeling toward Scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_%28programming_language%29) and Squeak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak). I'm not sure why they felt like throwing obscure languages at us, but there you go.
I got my associate degree at a community college, and on my first semester when I transferred to NIU I took FORTRAN (http://catalog.niu.edu/preview_course.php?catoid=6&coid=14997) and mainframe assembler language (http://catalog.niu.edu/preview_course.php?catoid=6&coid=15004). I took two more assembler language courses in grad school, and at least one other course that had COBOL and assembler together.
And now here I am, working as an assembler language programmer.
Post by: Toaster on March 11, 2014, 12:10:34 pm
Funny how that works! I'm not really using my degree in my job, oddly enough.
Neither am I, mostly. While the experience in true programming was quite helpful when I do the occasional script, it mostly goes unused. Dinking around with computers, building my own, and fixing various friend and family PCs- now that was useful experience!
[Network/system admin, now]
Post by: Mephansteras on March 11, 2014, 12:46:20 pm
Post by: Solymr on March 11, 2014, 12:49:15 pm
DNA is the hugest database. And mass sequentiation gives a shitload of datavto process.
Post by: Mephansteras on March 11, 2014, 12:53:22 pm
Yeah data mining is really important in biotech.
DNA is the hugest database. And mass sequentiation gives a shitload of datavto process.
True, except his route was nothing like that. :P
He actually got a part time job doing security at Sun Microsystems, which led to a job in their IT group, which led to a job with me doing database work in a financial company. His biotech path just sort of...stopped being relevant in that time and he dropped it entirely. Never even graduated college.
Post by: Solymr on March 11, 2014, 02:33:21 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 02:35:40 pm
Because we had little to no DNA experience while I was in MedTech. Just a Cytogenetics subject in the 3rd year.
And though I loved and passed it nicely, the problem being was that the instructor had to 'rush' the lessons due to syllabus.
We learned the basics of genetics though. :v
Post by: Solymr on March 11, 2014, 02:43:27 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on March 11, 2014, 02:45:56 pm
Well I wasn't expecting that.
Like I said, life can be a bit funny at times. ;)
When you say BioTech, you mean...?
Because we had little to no DNA experience while I was in MedTech. Just a Cytogenetics subject in the 3rd year.
And though I loved and passed it nicely, the problem being was that the instructor had to 'rush' the lessons due to syllabus.
We learned the basics of genetics though. :v
It's a broad umbrella. Stuff like genetic engineering, pharmaceuticals, medical testing...they all fall in that category. I'm not sure where he'd have ended up if he'd stuck with it, although most of my biotech friends ended up in pharmaceutical research.
Post by: Toaster on March 11, 2014, 03:16:35 pm
Post by: Solymr on March 11, 2014, 05:02:39 pm
And Tiruin we still have something to discuss :>
Post by: Shakerag on March 11, 2014, 05:20:13 pm
Assembler? You poor bastard, you.Heh. Not quite. Assembler is my favorite programming language. I specifically searched out assembler-related jobs.
I pity anyone who has to work with Java. Or COBOL.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 11, 2014, 06:02:48 pm
Please expand on that subject. I'm a particular mind too. People in my class even joke that I was fed plutonium as a baby or something.I'm... honestly not sure exactly what this whole post meant...
That made me remark that as a baby I repeatedly jumped head first into the floor from the cradle.
Post by: Toaster on March 11, 2014, 08:26:44 pm
Assembler? You poor bastard, you.Heh. Not quite. Assembler is my favorite programming language. I specifically searched out assembler-related jobs.
Your nerd cred is unparalleled. At least you can always find a job (because no one else is crazy like you.)
Let me guess- you're the youngest person in your department by 15 years?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:24:55 am
Post by: mastahcheese on March 12, 2014, 12:28:32 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:30:08 am
Also, Tiruin, I always thought your username was pronounced (Tier-you-in) and even with knowing the correct pronunciation, I still mentally insist on pronouncing it the way I do.Can someone inform me as to the correct pronunciation? My mental pronunciation is different than that, but what is the actual pronunciation.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 12, 2014, 12:30:56 am
If you pronounce it, it still goes the same way correctly :P (Tee-roo-in)
Also, since my school year officially (or..70% officially :v) starts in August (yay transition. Thank you K+12 program... >.>), and i've two months to spare...Anyone have a good idea if I should take a break from Mafia?
It looks best if I should.
I guess like I should.
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 12:32:16 am
(Not related to Mafia, but I actually may have a slight obsession with the concept of turning sand to glass and vice-versa using electricity.)I love you people. x)
So! More about glass, science, and thermodynamics please! :D
Edoot: Oh, erm, about that thing above on my 'vacation'..err, its quite shameful for me to announce such over...what external factors presented itself. Won't be going! Sorry for that! :X
Also, Tiruin, I always thought your username was pronounced (Tier-you-in) and even with knowing the correct pronunciation, I still mentally insist on pronouncing it the way I do.I'm ok with any pronunciation of my name, thanks ^ ^
I quite like how you pronounce it. ;P
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:34:09 am
Apparently I don't even read my own thread...If you pronounce it, it still goes the same way correctly :P (Tee-roo-in)
Also, since my school year officially (or..70% officially :v) starts in August (yay transition. Thank you K+12 program... >.>), and i've two months to spare...Anyone have a good idea if I should take a break from Mafia?
It looks best if I should.
I guess like I should.
And yes, that's how I imagined it pronounced.
PPE: Great, now I need to dig out my chem textbook.
OR I can go to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand)
Post by: mastahcheese on March 12, 2014, 12:37:42 am
IT'S SO COOL(Not related to Mafia, but I actually may have a slight obsession with the concept of turning sand to glass and vice-versa using electricity.)I love you people. x)
So! More about glass, science, and thermodynamics please! :D
Did you know that you can actually go out into the desert and find where lightning struck the ground by the formation of glass?
Something really odd? The formation if the glass is a mirror image of the shape of the lightning bolt that struck it, allowing you to have a physical representation of an actual bolt of lightning.
Is that awesome or what?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:37:56 am
I'm confused...Yes. Sand and glass are made of the same material: silicon dioxide sheets. I could go into an entire rant as to the exact mechanisms, but I'd... rather not...Please tell me this is related to your firespell.
Oooh...
Is there any sand in the classroom? Like, for a class project?
Mhm. I see about the book, Tiruin. Perhaps...
Because its gone quite...malicious by the detail here.
:-\
You're starting to scare me.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:39:36 am
Wait a minute...IT'S SO COOL(Not related to Mafia, but I actually may have a slight obsession with the concept of turning sand to glass and vice-versa using electricity.)I love you people. x)
So! More about glass, science, and thermodynamics please! :D
Did you know that you can actually go out into the desert and find where lightning struck the ground by the formation of glass?
Something really odd? The formation if the glass is a mirror image of the shape of the lightning bolt that struck it, allowing you to have a physical representation of an actual bolt of lightning.
Is that awesome or what?
holy crap you are right (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/but-not-simpler/2013/07/02/what-really-happens-when-lightning-strikes-sand-the-science-behind-a-viral-photo/)
The more you know.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 12, 2014, 12:40:20 am
I KNOW RIGHT?!?!?Did you know that you can actually go out into the desert and find where lightning struck the ground by the formation of glass?Wait a minute...
Something really odd? The formation if the glass is a mirror image of the shape of the lightning bolt that struck it, allowing you to have a physical representation of an actual bolt of lightning.
Is that awesome or what?
holy crap you are right (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/but-not-simpler/2013/07/02/what-really-happens-when-lightning-strikes-sand-the-science-behind-a-viral-photo/)
The more you know.
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 12:50:29 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:50:47 am
Post by: Solymr on March 12, 2014, 02:27:59 am
Wolf I want you to tell me what kind of help they give there to gifted children and such.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 08:41:50 am
:ISorry, I'm a native English speaker and I still can't interpret what people say...
Wolf I want you to tell me what kind of help they give there to gifted children and such.
It really depends on where you live, but for the most part it is up to the parents to lobby school boards, find ways for their kid to excel, etc. The USA ranks gifted students as low priority for programs, it seems.
Post by: Solymr on March 12, 2014, 08:48:18 am
Is there some kind of organization for them? I thought about trying to join MENSA but I don't know how to do it from here.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 09:03:52 am
At least here they bumped me up a year :/Organization? None that I know of.
Is there some kind of organization for them? I thought about trying to join MENSA but I don't know how to do it from here.
Yeah, all the USA know is bumping people up a year, but my parents refused on the matter. Also, I go to a private school now with far better academic programs, so I get to be challenged and with people my own age. Basically, you better hope your family has money if you are gifted. My family is upper middle class, so I can do things like go to private school. Others aren't so lucky...
Post by: Solymr on March 12, 2014, 09:17:06 am
Oh and you remember people talking about math or physics olympics? I did them in my last high school year.
Did you do any of them?
Post by: Shakerag on March 12, 2014, 09:58:25 am
In so far as the mainframe guys/gals are concerned, I think it's about a 10-year gap. The PC guys are more around my age or younger.Assembler? You poor bastard, you.Heh. Not quite. Assembler is my favorite programming language. I specifically searched out assembler-related jobs.
Your nerd cred is unparalleled. At least you can always find a job (because no one else is crazy like you.)
Let me guess- you're the youngest person in your department by 15 years?
I lucked out with this job, because everyone who wants a mainframe programmer wants 5-10 years experience. I got hired because they wouldn't have to spend months teaching me how to program in assembler >_>
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 05:09:06 pm
Thank god for public university and scholarships. I'm the son of plain workers and I managed to get this far by being the best of my class.We do some things, like math competitions and science bowl and stuff. I can explain a little more if you want, but the school I go to has people who are far better at that kind of thing than I am so I never get chosen.
Oh and you remember people talking about math or physics olympics? I did them in my last high school year.
Did you do any of them?
Post by: Solymr on March 15, 2014, 08:54:03 am
And since Tiruin hasn't said anything bout dreams I'll say something myself :x
Did you ever have a dream where you die and wake up?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 09:24:12 am
Wolf: I did math, physics and chemistry in the same month.I have. My dreams are... unfortunate.
And since Tiruin hasn't said anything bout dreams I'll say something myself :x
Did you ever have a dream where you die and wake up?
Post by: Solymr on March 15, 2014, 09:31:57 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 09:34:49 am
Mine are usually gravity related because I'm afraid of heights. In dream fights I usually fare well though :VHeh. I fair... poorly in most of my dreams.
Post by: Solymr on March 15, 2014, 09:37:51 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 09:38:51 am
After I shrugged off my pseudodepression I got pretty good at dreamfights :P. In fact last night I somehow got into a shovel fight.Whaaa.......
Also, can I put this in my quotes.
Post by: Solymr on March 15, 2014, 09:48:18 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 09:58:07 am
But of course. And if you're surprised by that you have no idea how zany dreams can get.I once had a dream about a castle siege with all of my friends on both sides and everyone had medieval weapons except for a pair of AK-47's. Dreams are weird things.
Post by: Solymr on March 15, 2014, 10:01:03 am
I once fought a gang of asian mobsters Jackie Chan style.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 10:02:02 am
Hahahaha those things are amazing.You have the most badass dreams, my good sir.
I once fought a gang of asian mobsters Jackie Chan style.
Post by: Toaster on March 15, 2014, 10:03:11 am
Post by: Solymr on March 15, 2014, 10:13:14 am
I also had instances of my dreams outright trolling me. After ending an exhausting dream that night went like this:
*wake up* What day is it? -Monday -AAAAAHHHH
*wake up again* What day is it? -Friday -AAAAAHHHHH
*wake up yet again* What day is it? -Saturday -Yessss *back to sleep*
Post by: ToonyMan on March 15, 2014, 10:30:14 am
I'm an adult. :(
Okay, if you're more curious. I currently have 86 credits out of 126 credits to graduate with an Electrical Engineering Bachelor of Science in Engineering, probably easier to call it a BSE in Electrical Engineering. I'm not one of you programming gurus so I'm more adept in working with hardware circuity and all that jazz. But basically, it's pretty time-consuming. It can be kind of hard too, but I can't say I've been truly challenged yet, or at least, I've been able to overcome any problems that come my way. I got a New England Scholar award this Tuesday after all, as in, my grade average last year was an A- out of nine classes. I was 1 of 180 School of Engineering students to receive that award, and there's over 2,000 SoE students. Ideally, this makes me look pretty good.
A second thing this semester that's eating a crazy amount of time, is the Nuclear Officer program I started. It should cool off after this semester finishes, but there's a crazy amount of paper work to fill out. Basically, the US Navy pays me a ton of money every month (around $5,000) while I'm a student, and then when I graduate I would go to Officer Candidate School and get commissioned as an Ensign and serve for about 5 years (including a year and a half of training). I think it's a great leadership opportunity and it would be ridiculously easy to find a job after my active-duty. Worse come to worse, the USN would pay for my Master's Degree as well, so I could just go to graduate school somewhere and get my MS in something. Yeah.
My Spring Break starts next week, but I'm pretty swamped with work. It's nice to have a sense of fulfillment though...
Post by: Toaster on March 15, 2014, 12:14:44 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 15, 2014, 07:09:45 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 07:10:46 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 06:26:35 pm
I'm not passing judgement, I'm merely making an observation. Feel free to tell me it is total bs.
Post by: Toaster on March 17, 2014, 07:59:35 pm
Personally, I'm keeping my game load down, so I'm picking and choosing. If I join a Meph, Webadict, or Vector game, I know what I'm getting in to.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 08:29:26 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 08:56:21 pm
I mean, I was about to join Fearful Jesuit's game but then he closed it. :<
I think last semester was the first time I was unable to make decent posts because of real life stuff. Same is true for this semester.Toony! :D
I'm an adult. :(
Okay, if you're more curious. I currently have 86 credits out of 126 credits to graduate with an Electrical Engineering Bachelor of Science in Engineering, probably easier to call it a BSE in Electrical Engineering. I'm not one of you programming gurus so I'm more adept in working with hardware circuity and all that jazz. But basically, it's pretty time-consuming. It can be kind of hard too, but I can't say I've been truly challenged yet, or at least, I've been able to overcome any problems that come my way. I got a New England Scholar award this Tuesday after all, as in, my grade average last year was an A- out of nine classes. I was 1 of 180 School of Engineering students to receive that award, and there's over 2,000 SoE students. Ideally, this makes me look pretty good.
A second thing this semester that's eating a crazy amount of time, is the Nuclear Officer program I started. It should cool off after this semester finishes, but there's a crazy amount of paper work to fill out. Basically, the US Navy pays me a ton of money every month (around $5,000) while I'm a student, and then when I graduate I would go to Officer Candidate School and get commissioned as an Ensign and serve for about 5 years (including a year and a half of training). I think it's a great leadership opportunity and it would be ridiculously easy to find a job after my active-duty. Worse come to worse, the USN would pay for my Master's Degree as well, so I could just go to graduate school somewhere and get my MS in something. Yeah.
My Spring Break starts next week, but I'm pretty swamped with work. It's nice to have a sense of fulfillment though...
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:14:20 pm
Siding with Toaster's 'in people we trust' note. It's not that we play in other veteran's games, it's that we play in trusted people's games.Well, I thank you for joining my game, even though I realized halfway through it was complete rubbish.
I mean, I was about to join Fearful Jesuit's game but then he closed it. :<
Post by: Vector on March 17, 2014, 10:09:47 pm
The veteran players (and by veteran I mean they've been here for at least two or three years) seem to, for the most part, only join games run by other veterans.
For me, it's because I historically want to play games run by my friends. For stress-relief. And also, because I tend to like bastard mods and BYORs and whatever.
Vector game, I know what I'm getting in to.
imperishable night
Seriously, this fucking game. I've complained about it a lot of places, but I keep on thinking I've got the night processed and then I find some other thing I have to email Webadict about and then there's other urgent real-life shit I have to do and then there's blah blah blah blah blah GRRRRRRRRRRRRNGH
*settles down and opens PMs again*
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 10:11:34 pm
And webadict is being stubborn about his honor. >_> But anyways.
imperishable nightGo, Vector, go!! :D
Seriously, this fucking game. I've complained about it a lot of places, but I keep on thinking I've got the night processed and then I find some other thing I have to email Webadict about and then there's other urgent real-life shit I have to do and then there's blah blah blah blah blah GRRRRRRRRRRRRNGH
*settles down and opens PMs again*
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 10:15:55 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 10:23:11 pm
Hey, does anybody know if Caz is okay? She's been gone for a while...:'(
I guess I've been the last person she was in contact with...
And I dearly REALLY hope she is OK.
Given her last messages were...sad-ish, I..well. :S
I pray she is ok...
Post by: mastahcheese on March 17, 2014, 11:08:53 pm
Well, I for one like it.Siding with Toaster's 'in people we trust' note. It's not that we play in other veteran's games, it's that we play in trusted people's games.Well, I thank you for joining my game, even though I realized halfway through it was complete rubbish.
I mean, I was about to join Fearful Jesuit's game but then he closed it. :<
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 11:10:01 pm
You also don't see the OH SWEET MERCIFUL ARMOK DID YOU DEFACE THAT PICTURE!!!!Well, I for one like it.Siding with Toaster's 'in people we trust' note. It's not that we play in other veteran's games, it's that we play in trusted people's games.Well, I thank you for joining my game, even though I realized halfway through it was complete rubbish.
I mean, I was about to join Fearful Jesuit's game but then he closed it. :<
It is awesome. I approve.
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 11:24:21 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 11:33:02 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 17, 2014, 11:47:35 pm
Are we seriously derailing this with discussion of my avatar?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 11:49:54 pm
Wait, what previous cat picture? They are all active, they just cycle.It's not derailing if the thread is designed for it.
Are we seriously derailing this with discussion of my avatar?
Oh, they rotate. That explains a LOT!
Post by: mastahcheese on March 17, 2014, 11:52:42 pm
Good point.Wait, what previous cat picture? They are all active, they just cycle.It's not derailing if the thread is designed for it.
Are we seriously derailing this with discussion of my avatar?
Oh, they rotate. That explains a LOT!
And yeah, it's nice because if I ever feel like making more garbage, I can shove it in without having to debate on which one to choose.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 11:54:19 pm
Although I must say, the pic you messed with (wasn't that from Whitius Opus?) is amusing to see with your message under it.Good point.Wait, what previous cat picture? They are all active, they just cycle.It's not derailing if the thread is designed for it.
Are we seriously derailing this with discussion of my avatar?
Oh, they rotate. That explains a LOT!
And yeah, it's nice because if I ever feel like making more garbage, I can shove it in without having to debate on which one to choose.
And by message I mean like my "hammerings" thing.
And my iPod just autocorrected hammerings into all caps. Okay then...
Post by: mastahcheese on March 18, 2014, 12:01:33 am
Post by: mastahcheese on March 18, 2014, 12:33:00 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Toaster on March 18, 2014, 12:49:27 pm
Vector game, I know what I'm getting in to.
imperishable night
It's not your fault if half the mod team is suddenly gone.
Post by: Solymr on March 18, 2014, 01:04:48 pm
What if in the event of a vote draw between two players instead of no lynch, both players were lynched?
Post by: Toaster on March 18, 2014, 01:46:08 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on March 18, 2014, 08:00:52 pm
imperishable night
Seriously, this fucking game. I've complained about it a lot of places, but I keep on thinking I've got the night processed and then I find some other thing I have to email Webadict about and then there's other urgent real-life shit I have to do and then there's blah blah blah blah blah GRRRRRRRRRRRRNGH
*settles down and opens PMs again*
I don't mean to add to the stress, and the game has been fantastic and I'm perfectly happy waiting as long as is necessary for that quality to be maintained, but- a few of the players have been inactive for quite a while (most notably Imp, who's been away from the forums for more than a month), so it might be necessary to PM/email them (if they have an email listed on their account) so they're ready to play when the game resumes.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 18, 2014, 10:07:02 pm
Edit: Mastah: I approve!
Post by: mastahcheese on March 18, 2014, 10:11:08 pm
Edit: Mastah: I approve!I think it's my new hobby now, I have like 12 or so avatars now that cycle.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 18, 2014, 10:16:50 pm
lolwut? That's the quote on my avatar. The one that you have right now.Edit: Mastah: I approve!I think it's my new hobby now, I have like 12 or so avatars now that cycle.
... and it changes...
Post by: mastahcheese on March 18, 2014, 10:19:57 pm
Yup. I had some free time.lolwut? That's the quote on my avatar. The one that you have right now.Edit: Mastah: I approve!I think it's my new hobby now, I have like 12 or so avatars now that cycle.
... and it changes...
...You're just hitting refresh a bunch now, aren't you?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 18, 2014, 10:21:23 pm
No, I just went back to see it again and it had changed. Is that what happens? It changes on refresh?Yup. I had some free time.lolwut? That's the quote on my avatar. The one that you have right now.Edit: Mastah: I approve!I think it's my new hobby now, I have like 12 or so avatars now that cycle.
... and it changes...
...You're just hitting refresh a bunch now, aren't you?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 18, 2014, 10:24:02 pm
EDIT: Here's the site I use for it. (http://signavatar.com/)
Post by: Tiruin on March 19, 2014, 01:12:46 am
It is truly fantastic that I'm doing fanarts of it. :Vimperishable night
Seriously, this fucking game. I've complained about it a lot of places, but I keep on thinking I've got the night processed and then I find some other thing I have to email Webadict about and then there's other urgent real-life shit I have to do and then there's blah blah blah blah blah GRRRRRRRRRRRRNGH
*settles down and opens PMs again*
I don't mean to add to the stress, and the game has been fantastic and I'm perfectly happy waiting as long as is necessary for that quality to be maintained, but- a few of the players have been inactive for quite a while (most notably Imp, who's been away from the forums for more than a month), so it might be necessary to PM/email them (if they have an email listed on their account) so they're ready to play when the game resumes.
So mwahaha.
Ahahahahaa.
Yes PM everyone else but me. >:P
*nudges mastahcheese
I like mastahcheese's pure-cat pic better. It's cuter and is less deprecate'y. :P:>
Also I'll be PMing you later on that thing we were talking about a long time ago because yay no exams!
Post by: Vector on March 19, 2014, 02:05:33 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 19, 2014, 02:07:14 am
Game on.
Go Vector!
:I Go!
Post by: Cheeetar on March 19, 2014, 02:07:30 am
Since your sig told me to, Cheeetar, what is it about your lack of interesting traits. ???
It's just a thing. I thought I should have a sig, and I didn't know what to put in it, and I've noticed the phrase occasionally 'ask me about my <thing>'.
Post by: Tack on March 19, 2014, 11:10:04 pm
I was never good, but y'know, it'll give someone new to 1st-day-lynch.
Post by: Tiruin on March 20, 2014, 12:17:37 am
I might get back into Mafia.Tack played Mafia? :O
I was never good, but y'know, it'll give someone new to 1st-day-lynch.
Yaaaay!
Post by: Tawa on March 20, 2014, 12:33:11 pm
I'm probably going to keep watching, though. Good luck, townies!
Post by: mastahcheese on March 20, 2014, 02:25:51 pm
Although it did make me think of a Mafia concept where the night would be divided into shifts, like the way adventurers watch out in D&D games, and possibly run it like that game about the pirates and mutineers, where people were sent on expeditions.
No idea how you'd balance a game like that, but if I think more of it, I'll go put it in the Mafia concepts and discussion thread.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 21, 2014, 11:49:22 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 21, 2014, 11:52:54 pm
Cheese: how come you always find the loopholes in any statement?It's something I've always done. Its helped me out a surprisingly large number of times.
Actually, it's a rather useful skill for Mafia, now that I think about it, I just don't get as many opportunities to use it as I'd like.
Also, I've noticed that since I've started playing Mafia, I've become far more prone to questioning people's motives in real life, and taking into account their inactions as well as actions.
I've found many people to be acting in scummy manners.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 21, 2014, 11:56:44 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 21, 2014, 11:58:41 pm
Sometimes I wish I had an actual power role, so I could do something about it, but I never went to law school.
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2014, 11:59:42 pm
Philosophy.
No, not actually, but it is pretty similar. ;P
So many people act in scummy manners in real life. Sometimes I would call them on it if... Well, I consider calling them on it.Do so! That's what I do to help people and it works!
Though I do muchly suspect that I'm targeting the malevolent portions rather than calling out the person--their characteristics that ail them instead.
GAH PPEs.
Yeah, I know what you mean.I've learned that you don't need law school to do the right thing.
Sometimes I wish I had an actual power role, so I could do something about it, but I never went to law school.
...I've asked a certain Brazilian lawyer about it. True facts. Yo.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 12:01:04 am
Yeah, I know what you mean.Did you go to medical school, because at least then you could protect someone every night. Me, I'm the child, so I can determine the truth of any one statement per day. Unfortunately, it is... Unreliable.
Sometimes I wish I had an actual power role, so I could do something about it, but I never went to law school.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 12:04:40 am
I've learned that you don't need law school to do the right thing.Are you suggesting that I become a vigilante?
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2014, 12:11:17 am
I did go to medical school! :D Pre-med, actually.Yeah, I know what you mean.Did you go to medical school, because at least then you could protect someone every night. Me, I'm the child, so I can determine the truth of any one statement per day. Unfortunately, it is... Unreliable.
Sometimes I wish I had an actual power role, so I could do something about it, but I never went to law school.
Then I shifted because I found my calling.
Then I plan to go to med-school afterwards. xD
Also you'll learn to hone your skills--just be open-minded. :>
...Aren't you already one?I've learned that you don't need law school to do the right thing.Are you suggesting that I become a vigilante?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 12:13:06 am
Look just because I spent years training......Aren't you already one?I've learned that you don't need law school to do the right thing.Are you suggesting that I become a vigilante?
Well I haven't used it yet!
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2014, 12:14:18 am
*pats mastahcheese*
You're doing good.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 12:15:21 am
I try.
Post by: Tack on March 22, 2014, 01:28:28 am
Quote
Doing the right thing needs no education.Yeah, I know what you mean.I've learned that you don't need law school to do the right thing.
Sometimes I wish I had an actual power role, so I could do something about it, but I never went to law school.
...I've asked a certain Brazilian lawyer about it. True facts. Yo.
A power role kinda does.
You could be Jam-Packed full o' Charisma, and people would still ask for credentials, even if you were going to be a neighborhood leader or something.
Post by: Solymr on March 22, 2014, 05:10:13 am
What if in the terminator mafia only the jailer and the last scum were the last ones alive?
Post by: zombie urist on March 22, 2014, 01:31:08 pm
Sometimes though its the other way around and town wins when mafia can't win. Then I guess town would win.
However in BM its probably the first case.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 22, 2014, 02:57:28 pm
Post by: Caz on March 22, 2014, 08:00:05 pm
Hey, does anybody know if Caz is okay? She's been gone for a while...:'(
I guess I've been the last person she was in contact with...
And I dearly REALLY hope she is OK.
Given her last messages were...sad-ish, I..well. :S
I pray she is ok...
Oh jeez, don't worry about me. o_o
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 08:19:03 pm
Post by: Caz on March 22, 2014, 08:26:17 pm
SHE'S ALIVE
Wouldn't go that far. <_<
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2014, 08:31:42 pm
You're BACK :))
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 08:35:39 pm
CAAAAAAZ~ <3You all didn't know that already? I thought she had posted in a thread...
You're BACK :))
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2014, 08:55:02 pm
I'm just happy to see friends again >_> <_<
...
My empathy is a double-edged axe.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 08:55:32 pm
I did but :D because CAZ! and :D!And she has requested replacement.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 09:00:10 pm
My empathy is a double-edged axe.It does tend to have that effect in most cases.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 09:01:56 pm
My empathy is a double-edged axe.I find that empathy is a good trait, but that one often gets mocked or put down for it, particularly if one is male, since males in many cultures are supposed to be macho and unfeeling.
That being said, empathy is a good trait.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 09:04:48 pm
How I hate the validity of this statement so much.My empathy is a double-edged axe.I find that empathy is a good trait, but that one often gets mocked or put down for it, particularly if one is male, since males in many cultures are supposed to be macho and unfeeling.
That being said, empathy is a good trait.
Fuggin' people won't accept me simply trying be considerate. The jerks
Post by: Toaster on March 22, 2014, 09:07:40 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 09:09:38 pm
Speaking from the other perspective, I can get by without much empathy (but the wife's not a fan.) It's not that I'm "macho tuff," it's that I just am not a people person.Which is perfectly understandable. I'm a more reserved person myself. It's just that when I see one of my friends distraught I try to help, and since most of my friends are female it ends with the guys I know cracking stupid jokes and every other girl thinking it is cute.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 09:11:24 pm
It's very odd for me.
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2014, 09:20:11 pm
...People like empathy where I am. o_OMy empathy is a double-edged axe.I find that empathy is a good trait, but that one often gets mocked or put down for it, particularly if one is male, since males in many cultures are supposed to be macho and unfeeling.
That being said, empathy is a good trait.
It's attributed to 'drama' for some reason.
Humans. >_> Down with that insulting facet of that culture!
It is a travesty to generosity and actual THINKING!
Speaking from the other perspective, I can get by without much empathy (but the wife's not a fan.) It's not that I'm "macho tuff," it's that I just am not a people person....You're very empathic when I talk to you.
Or funny.
...
:<
How I hate the validity of this statement so much.Then we shall be bloody hipsters in doing the right thing and totally not care what snobs they are.
Fuggin' people won't accept me simply trying be considerate. The jerks
They can rot in their ignorance.
We'll be happy in what we do.
They can dictate their own lives, but NOT US.
*raises the flag of revolutionary action*
Ehh? That's...weird.Speaking from the other perspective, I can get by without much empathy (but the wife's not a fan.) It's not that I'm "macho tuff," it's that I just am not a people person.Which is perfectly understandable. I'm a more reserved person myself. It's just that when I see one of my friends distraught I try to help, and since most of my friends are female it ends with the guys I know cracking stupid jokes and every other girl thinking it is cute.
You're pretty awesome. Really.
Very empathic people can be not people persons (though I found it an arguable point--the can be 'not people persons' if the people they've generally interacted with are...or have been acting badly towards them, but can be 'people persons' in general. :) )
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 09:24:35 pm
Are we revolting so that we can be nice to people?How I hate the validity of this statement so much.Then we shall be bloody hipsters in doing the right thing and totally not care what snobs they are.
Fuggin' people won't accept me simply trying be considerate. The jerks
They can rot in their ignorance.
We'll be happy in what we do.
They can dictate their own lives, but NOT US.
*raises the flag of revolutionary action*
That is so bizarre and awesome at the same time.
*joins in on revolution*
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 09:27:39 pm
I would assist this action, but then I'd be assisting the guy who assisted the initiation of global thermonuclear war.Are we revolting so that we can be nice to people?How I hate the validity of this statement so much.Then we shall be bloody hipsters in doing the right thing and totally not care what snobs they are.
Fuggin' people won't accept me simply trying be considerate. The jerks
They can rot in their ignorance.
We'll be happy in what we do.
They can dictate their own lives, but NOT US.
*raises the flag of revolutionary action*
That is so bizarre and awesome at the same time.
*joins in on revolution*
I join this revolution.
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2014, 09:28:47 pm
It brings you joy. And it's good.
So yeah. :)
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 09:50:59 pm
Since this is a banter thread about the Mafias, does anyone want to discuss?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 09:52:05 pm
Other than that, the town played well, and GODDAMN IT CHEESE YOU SLY BASTARD YOU OUTWITTED ME :P
And I lost my scumbuddy day 1 due to inexperience.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 09:57:46 pm
GODDAMN IT CHEESE YOU SLY BASTARD YOU OUTWITTED ME :PYou really want to know what went through my head?
"I'll bet TDS is the scum. I'm sure of it.
...But he'll probably be killed the next day, anyway, it'd be a huge waste.
I'll block 4mask, on the chance that it's him."
I didn't think I'd be saving myself.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 10:04:25 pm
MastahCheese cancels reply to question: interrupted by ninja.Honestly, I thought that it was more likely for TDS to be scum than 4mask, but I figured that TDS would be the next to get lynched, so it'd just be a waste in either case, so I blocked 4mask instead, in case I was wrong, and I was.
Ninja'd
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 22, 2014, 10:06:08 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 10:06:35 pm
I don't know, I'm not very good at giving advice.
Post by: Toaster on March 22, 2014, 10:10:15 pm
Speaking from the other perspective, I can get by without much empathy (but the wife's not a fan.) It's not that I'm "macho tuff," it's that I just am not a people person....You're very empathic when I talk to you.
Or funny.
...
:<
I'm much better on the Internets. Not sure why, but digital social interaction's never been an issue.
That said, I was raised to be polite, which is different from empathetic.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 22, 2014, 10:11:31 pm
Umm...
I don't know, I'm not very good at giving advice.
Could you at least say what you thought was scummy about me?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 10:12:07 pm
I thought you were scummy because you were attacking the scum :PUmm...
I don't know, I'm not very good at giving advice.
Could you at least say what you thought was scummy about me?
Post by: Gentlefish on March 22, 2014, 10:13:13 pm
Just wondering: What should I have done to be more convincing with my ideas?
Just be more active. It's the fact that you were not posting a lot that made a lot of us think you were scum.
Man that was a fun game. I can't wait for the next. If I can handle a full BM without crapping out halfway through I might move up into a -real- mafia game!
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 10:13:47 pm
Overall, it's not so much that I thought you were scummy, but moreso that the arguments against you seemed more...Umm...Could you at least say what you thought was scummy about me?
I don't know, I'm not very good at giving advice.
believable, I guess. I don't know how to put it.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 10:15:00 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAOverall, it's not so much that I thought you were scummy, but moreso that the arguments against you seemed more...Umm...Could you at least say what you thought was scummy about me?
I don't know, I'm not very good at giving advice.
believable, I guess. I don't know how to put it.
This is a finely crafted conspiracy theory created by 4maskwolf. It depicts TheDarkStar as the scum. This object menaces with spikes of bullshit.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 10:17:09 pm
This is a finely crafted conspiracy theory created by 4maskwolf. It depicts TheDarkStar as the scum. This object menaces with spikes of bullshit.You seem to have a lot of those laying around.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 10:17:50 pm
I can make them up on the spot. It's... a talent of a certain kind, though the fact that it comes so naturally scares me.This is a finely crafted conspiracy theory created by 4maskwolf. It depicts TheDarkStar as the scum. This object menaces with spikes of bullshit.You seem to have a lot of those laying around.
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2014, 10:20:50 pm
Use less...mean(?) words. :)
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 10:21:46 pm
Chill, 4mask.My apologies, I will endeavor to be less hostile in the future.
Use less...mean(?) words. :)
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2014, 10:28:35 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 22, 2014, 11:00:02 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on March 22, 2014, 11:05:48 pm
Post by: Solymr on March 23, 2014, 04:41:05 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 24, 2014, 05:39:30 pm
Post by: Solymr on March 25, 2014, 03:54:19 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 25, 2014, 04:03:53 pm
Orbfall suddenly looks like GBU.Right down to craptons of replacement requests.
Post by: Persus13 on March 25, 2014, 05:34:18 pm
Great, that's what my first game is known for.Orbfall suddenly looks like GBU.Right down to craptons of replacement requests.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 25, 2014, 05:35:21 pm
No no, I was just making a note that it was even closer to GBU than at first glance. I will always remember your game as the one time I won as scum.Great, that's what my first game is known for.Orbfall suddenly looks like GBU.Right down to craptons of replacement requests.
Post by: Tawa on March 25, 2014, 06:02:05 pm
Poor mastahcheese, flabort, and Jiokuy.
Man, that was a high death rate.
Stupid serial killer vampires.
*editout*
There.
Anyway, I'm not in the game anymore. I'm also in jail.
Well, actually, since everyone knows my alignment, I might want to come back...
Meh, nah.
Post by: Mephansteras on March 25, 2014, 06:20:08 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 25, 2014, 06:21:14 pm
Please refrain from talking about active games in any way that could effect the people currently playing it.Mephansteras, the only thing he needs to change is the fourth line. The rest of it is fine, because one is consoling the dead, another is death rate, and the last is pondering without drawing conclusions or providing leads. I don't see how any of that would affect current players.
HOWEVER, let this be a reminder to everyone that this thread is not for game speculation. You can do that in the game or in the deadchat. If you aren't part of the game, then ponder to yourselves until the game ends.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 25, 2014, 08:18:01 pm
And Persus, I personally had a ton of fun in your game. I actually got to be scum, and win! (even if it was basically all 4mask)
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 25, 2014, 10:50:24 pm
Being dead is sad in games, but I'm good.Lolz, had I been doing that alone I would have failed. It was a team effort.
And Persus, I personally had a ton of fun in your game. I actually got to be scum, and win! (even if it was basically all 4mask)
Post by: WhitiusOpus on March 27, 2014, 02:13:34 pm
Also, I thought it was Ty-roo-in (bringing up an ancient discussion of Tiruin's name pronunciation.)
Post by: Tawa on March 27, 2014, 08:37:56 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 27, 2014, 08:39:38 pm
((Hey, um, 4mask... since I left the moment I was arrested back at orbfalls, do you mind if I come back tomorrow? I mean, the poor militia captains are without a leader, who will be someone else if I don't come back... If Orbfalls goes down, I want to come with it.))It'll be in two game days, actually, because the captain of the guard manipulated it to a jailing. But yes, I'll let you change your mind.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 27, 2014, 10:36:29 pm
Has anyone seen the drunk fortress over on the community games section?
That for mafia.
Post by: Toaster on March 27, 2014, 10:44:36 pm
DONT;C'F FUICKING VOTE TOLYK
TheWetShee[ is scum vote him
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 27, 2014, 10:59:05 pm
I mean everyone being drunk when they make their posts.DONT;C'F FUICKING VOTE TOLYKTheWetShee[ is scum vote him
It would be amusing to watch, certainly.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 27, 2014, 11:06:56 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 27, 2014, 11:08:00 pm
+1, fund it NOWThe best part is the mod would have to be drunk when doing write ups too . The sad part is that I wouldn't be able to participate.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 27, 2014, 11:13:26 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 27, 2014, 11:13:33 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 27, 2014, 11:15:22 pm
On a mostly unrelated note, we should do a DF succession game sometime.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 27, 2014, 11:17:43 pm
I doubt we could reach enough players. That said, IRC Mafia would be the perfect venue for this.Point the first: what does IRC mean?
On a mostly unrelated note, we should do a DF succession game sometime.
Point the second: of the mafia players? Yes, yes we should.
Post by: Toaster on March 27, 2014, 11:18:29 pm
Post by: zombie urist on March 27, 2014, 11:18:48 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 27, 2014, 11:26:41 pm
Post by: Solymr on March 28, 2014, 02:37:14 am
Anyone interested? :V
Post by: Shakerag on March 28, 2014, 09:32:55 am
Point the first: what does IRC mean?Get off of my lawn.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 28, 2014, 09:39:07 am
I suppose I am still just a kid. So you can tell me to do that.Point the first: what does IRC mean?Get off of my lawn.
Post by: Toaster on March 28, 2014, 10:02:23 am
Point the first: what does IRC mean?Get off of my lawn.
I know, right? *gets out bag of Werther's Originals*
Post by: Shakerag on March 28, 2014, 04:31:04 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 28, 2014, 05:16:56 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 28, 2014, 07:27:38 pm
I don't know whether to be honored or horrified.
Yes.
But really; Mafia Board Succession Game: who is interested?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 28, 2014, 07:29:02 pm
This times one million.I don't know whether to be honored or horrified.
Yes.
But really; Mafia Board Succession Game: who is interested?
Bonus points if we are allowed to scheme and plot in the roleplay.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 28, 2014, 07:37:50 pm
This times one million.I don't know whether to be honored or horrified.
Yes.
But really; Mafia Board Succession Game: who is interested?
Bonus points if we are allowed to scheme and plot in the roleplay.
Sounds like a great idea. What should we call it?
Post by: Toaster on March 28, 2014, 08:36:44 pm
What sort of location would be best? Peaceful? Wild? Evil? Full of horrible murder death undead?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 28, 2014, 10:42:43 pm
Zombies everywhere.
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 10:43:39 pm
Nobody made a zombie-themed Mafia game yet. xD
Also interested!!!
Edit:
Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom makes me chuckle every time I see it.Nerjin/Webadict's comedic writing is wonderful, aye.
Unless you're seeing a euphemism I'm not seeing...which I wonder why I wonder you're probably wondering about.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 02:45:05 pm
Scheming RP should go without saying; rooted in paranoia is the best.Wild, but not evil, BUT with the caviot of having a necromancer tower nearby. Thus, undead invasions can still happen.
What sort of location would be best? Peaceful? Wild? Evil? Full of horrible murder death undead?
Should it be a succession fortress or a community fortress. For the hypothetical people out there who don't know the difference, a succession fortress gets passed between players, each of whom oversee the fortress for a set amount of time, while a community fortress is run by one person, with the others contributing RP. In my experience, both work perfectly fine for scheming: The second link in my sig leads to the successor of a fortress that WAS a massive series of plots and counterplots until it imploded from critical plot mass (meaning that the fortress itself died in a boring way, so we RP'd a better one).
Also, modded or unmodded. If modded, should the modders here (yes, there are some) make something up or should we use a mod pack that has already been built?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2014, 07:38:27 pm
One of the things I did recently for just a minor tweak was give the dwarves a few extra personality tokens, to make them more susceptible to unhappy thoughts and tantrum easier, with a side effect being them also more likely to berserk and become enraged.
I can't for that one to fall into a tantrum spiral.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2014, 08:36:43 pm
And the annoying part is that I work on the weekends, so I don't really notice it when it comes up.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 08:39:30 pm
Also, I'm pretty sure you missed a mafia game in your responses.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2014, 08:44:00 pm
I'll go recheck.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 08:46:21 pm
I did?Nvm, I was joking with you. You will post in games on your own time.
I'll go recheck.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2014, 08:50:23 pm
Being sick sucks.
Well, since we're the only two that seem to be on, want to go write a bunch of crud in Zan's collaborative story?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 08:53:21 pm
Well, I actually missed two. Ugh.why not. Except I'm a poor writer, but whatevs.
Being sick sucks.
Well, since we're the only two that seem to be on, want to go write a bunch of crud in Zan's collaborative story?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2014, 08:54:15 pm
It's a learning experience!
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 08:55:57 pm
Well, I need to practice my writing skills, anyway, because my writing is god-awful....it refers to you as anonymous tiger... why tiger...
It's a learning experience!
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2014, 08:56:44 pm
... Wat?Well, I need to practice my writing skills, anyway, because my writing is god-awful....it refers to you as anonymous tiger... why tiger...
It's a learning experience!
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 29, 2014, 11:34:44 pm
Although I'd prefer to go near the front of the queue, since I play on a netbook that can't handle large numbers of dwarves and items.
Post by: Toaster on March 29, 2014, 11:48:13 pm
Wild, but not evil, BUT with the caviot of having a necromancer tower nearby. Thus, undead invasions can still happen.
Should it be a succession fortress or a community fortress. For the hypothetical people out there who don't know the difference, a succession fortress gets passed between players, each of whom oversee the fortress for a set amount of time, while a community fortress is run by one person, with the others contributing RP. In my experience, both work perfectly fine for scheming: The second link in my sig leads to the successor of a fortress that WAS a massive series of plots and counterplots until it imploded from critical plot mass (meaning that the fortress itself died in a boring way, so we RP'd a better one).
Also, modded or unmodded. If modded, should the modders here (yes, there are some) make something up or should we use a mod pack that has already been built?
I'm okay with this- I'm a fan of wild starts. (Used to do Sinister until I just started wiping those first year or two.)
Succession is what I had in mind, but there's no real reason we couldn't do both if someone wanted to run the community game.
I'd prefer unmodded, if only for the simplicty. I play typically unmodded myself (other than enabling female beards, because in my book female dwarves have beards just as glorious. Also, both times I wrote beards there I wrote it as "bears".)
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 11:51:15 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2014, 11:54:37 pm
Is it bad that when I read my posts, it sounds like I am dictating to others, which isn't what I meant to do :-\It might help if you put question marks on your questions rather than periods.
That said, it doesn't seem that way to me.
Post by: Tiruin on March 30, 2014, 12:57:50 am
No, you don't sound dictatorial. (Also I'm in favor of the succession fortress thing. Loved them so much. There are good rulers, and there are bad rulers, and there are AWESOME rulers who make everything majestic!)
Also, do vanilla, but remove the rust. I never liked the rust option...
Post by: mastahcheese on March 30, 2014, 12:59:16 am
Post by: notquitethere on March 30, 2014, 04:44:12 am
The trouble is, the answer to the question "who among us is secretly a vampire?" is almost always "the new mayor".
Post by: Toaster on March 30, 2014, 09:28:23 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 30, 2014, 09:35:30 am
That's what the Dwarven Sewing Machine is for.I don't understand...
Post by: Toaster on March 30, 2014, 08:01:46 pm
- Choose a suitable enclosable space.
- Line it with weapon traps, using upright spikes.
- Attach said spikes to a lever.
- Enclose undesired noble in trapped space.
- Pull the lever... on repeat.
- When the problem is resolved, cancel the job.
- Unlock doors and clean up mess.
- Repeat as desired.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Persus13 on March 31, 2014, 07:51:00 pm
Being dead is sad in games, but I'm good.Just saw this. Thanks.
And Persus, I personally had a ton of fun in your game. I actually got to be scum, and win! (even if it was basically all 4mask)
I don't actually play DF, so I wouldn't be able to play a succession game. I would be a willing spectator. Also, if there ever is an LCS succession game, I'd play that.
Post by: Toaster on April 01, 2014, 12:12:21 am
Vanilla DF
High savagery but not evil
Goblin access
Water access
That way there's threats from without (but not omgwe'reallgonnadie), but those RP inclined can make threats from within. I'll probably make the embark 3x3 so it doesn't get as PC intensive.
If you have any input, now's the time (especially if it relates to embark.)
Post by: mastahcheese on April 01, 2014, 12:20:31 am
It can be used in RP, and while very dangerous, it's not hopeless.
Post by: Tiruin on April 01, 2014, 12:23:40 am
Since no one else is offering, I guess I can run the Mafia DF Succession Game. I'll open a thread tomorrowish, but I'm thinking the following things::3
Vanilla DF
High savagery but not evil
Goblin access
Water access
That way there's threats from without (but not omgwe'reallgonnadie), but those RP inclined can make threats from within. I'll probably make the embark 3x3 so it doesn't get as PC intensive.
If you have any input, now's the time (especially if it relates to embark.)
Oooo, try to start on a flat terrain. Preferably with a brook or river (nah, BROOK, or better yet, at a waterfall and we build in the chasm xD)
Are we doing aboveground fort? I like above ground fort, but am ok in any setting.
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omgwe'reallgonnadieShould we do some caveats? (wall off EVERYTHING)
Post by: mastahcheese on April 01, 2014, 12:28:03 am
Also, +1 to the river/waterfall idea.
Post by: Cheeetar on April 01, 2014, 01:26:43 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 01, 2014, 07:35:36 am
Post by: Persus13 on April 01, 2014, 07:37:08 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 01, 2014, 07:42:53 am
Name a character after me please.
Can I have a character named after me, too?
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 01, 2014, 08:56:34 am
Post by: Toaster on April 01, 2014, 09:04:49 am
Defenses: I'd rather not just wall up everything and easymode cage trap defense, but there's room to be creative.
Should we have some Mafia-specific rules like "no find vampires with DFHack or the relationships screen"
Yeah, I'd say avoid that. I don't see a requirement for lynchings, but a nice dwarven execution room would be a solid addition to any fort (especially if you kick off a tantrum spiral).
Necromancer: Tell me the best way to track one down and I'll try to settle nearby.
Turn/Dwarf requests: Throw those in the thread when I put it up, but I'll try to trawl back and grab these.
Post by: Shakerag on April 01, 2014, 09:34:31 am
"The words of some Djinn are like milk and honey to the ears..."I chuckled.
"Inappropriate for vegans?"
Post by: Persus13 on April 01, 2014, 09:41:19 am
Anyone else play Liberal Crime Squad?
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 01, 2014, 10:57:42 am
Necromancer: Tell me the best way to track one down and I'll try to settle nearby.
Make an adventurer and spam questions about the location. Also, custom-get your world to be extra dangerous (lairs/towers everywhere, lots of megabeasts, etc) to make it easier to find various features.
Post by: Toaster on April 01, 2014, 12:26:45 pm
Put a link here when you put up the thread.
Anyone else play Liberal Crime Squad?
Will do. I subbed in to CYOM, which may torpedo my effort to get it started today.
In the past, though I haven't played it in a while.
Post by: birdy51 on April 01, 2014, 12:29:55 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 01, 2014, 06:00:00 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 01, 2014, 06:18:31 pm
Find one of the purple I's on the world map. Generate a large world with at least 100 year history to reliably have some. Then settle on the same world space as the tower symbol is on.^
Usually it takes time for 'developed' structures such as Tombs and Necro-towers to spawn, just as cities and towns spawn :D
...
In which I am now unsure whether a city or town is needed for higher quality goods. Though given your PM with me, Toaster, I LIKE your idea, however I also would like to mention the existence of backstory >:3
Say, Dwarven politics.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 01, 2014, 07:59:25 pm
Put a link here when you put up the thread.I played it, it's fun.
Anyone else play Liberal Crime Squad?
Post by: Toaster on April 01, 2014, 09:40:51 pm
In which I am now unsure whether a city or town is needed for higher quality goods. Though given your PM with me, Toaster, I LIKE your idea, however I also would like to mention the existence of backstory >:3
I'm not much of a creative writer, so I may send a PM your way...
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 02, 2014, 01:21:56 am
Since no one else is offering, I guess I can run the Mafia DF Succession Game. I'll open a thread tomorrowish, but I'm thinking the following things:
Vanilla DF
High savagery but not evil
Goblin access
Water access
That way there's threats from without (but not omgwe'reallgonnadie), but those RP inclined can make threats from within. I'll probably make the embark 3x3 so it doesn't get as PC intensive.
If you have any input, now's the time (especially if it relates to embark.)
I'm fond of permanently frozen areas because making engravable ice sculptures and castles is cool. I also like picking aquifers because infinite water with scalable output is also cool.
I also like planning my fortress without regard to terrain and end up trying to carve large rooms in an aquifer sandstone layer.
I haven't played Dwarf Fortress in a really long time.
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2014, 08:11:56 am
I haven't played Dwarf Fortress in a really long time.
Sounds like someone needs a turn!
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 09:18:03 am
I'm fond of permanently frozen areas because making engravable ice sculptures and castles is cool.O_O
Indeed! Despite the low value of Ice, Ice is technically a rock. And as of any recent patch, rocks, when made into any construct by dwarves (even ice walls) are immune to ANY environmental effect. :D
Though the price does make it less of a niceness to create a legendary dining hall, for example.
Mmm. Also Aquifer-water areas are usually in deciduous forests; we can easily get best of both worlds by spawning on a waterfall area and just dig out an aquifer layer. :P
Though on that note, a Temperate climate (partial freeze) is best. Warm climates = no freeze. Ever.
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2014, 12:15:11 pm
I think I found us a backstory.
(http://i.imgur.com/7dCsBes.png)
I'll put the thread up somewhere between embark and end of spring, inclusive, and try to update seasonally.
Post by: Solymr on April 02, 2014, 12:18:30 pm
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2014, 12:58:57 pm
Post by: zombie urist on April 02, 2014, 01:04:05 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on April 02, 2014, 02:10:25 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on April 02, 2014, 03:26:30 pm
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2014, 03:43:53 pm
Looking at a couple test sites now.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2014, 07:06:47 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 02, 2014, 09:01:27 pm
Post by: Persus13 on April 02, 2014, 09:26:28 pm
Why do the Mafia men use cars to get away from a crime scene?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 02, 2014, 09:42:34 pm
Spoiler: Yep, you guessed it (click to show/hide)
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2014, 09:47:47 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 02, 2014, 09:52:27 pm
Are all the jokes going to be bus based?They don't have to be.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 02, 2014, 09:55:03 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 02, 2014, 10:00:57 pm
A bit of a stretch, particularly the first part, but whatevs.
Post by: Jack A T on April 02, 2014, 10:50:41 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 11:00:09 pm
So, a muppet, a plate of bacon, an inefficient murderer, and a Canadian Prime Minister walk into a bar...That plate of bacon can walk. o_o
In Dwarf Fortress, savescumming saves everyone. In Mafia, saving scum just kills you faster, no matter how many times or how well you do it.Though it is actually regarded as 'nofun' because most accidents are hilarious.
Unless you develop an attachment to your dwarves like me then its saddening.
And then you glorify their deaths by making stories out of them, and then it is glorious.
Unless said accident just totally ruins everything.
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2014, 11:01:10 pm
So, a muppet, a plate of bacon, an inefficient murderer, and a Canadian Prime Minister walk into a bar...
You and your Canada jokes.
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 11:01:56 pm
I laughed and I didn't get it. xDSo, a muppet, a plate of bacon, an inefficient murderer, and a Canadian Prime Minister walk into a bar...
You and your Canada jokes.
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2014, 11:03:34 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2014, 11:04:50 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 02, 2014, 11:18:12 pm
Our BYOR scumteams (unless they have Shakerag on them) tend to feel like bad setups for such jokes.
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 11:26:34 pm
"...and take up one seat."I still don't get it. u_u
It was BYOR 7's scumteam.Is this part of the joke? D:
Our BYOR scumteams (unless they have Shakerag on them) tend to feel like bad setups for such jokes.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2014, 11:28:38 pm
The Canadian Prime Minister is also the ineffective murderer, and a muppet. And holding a plate of bacon, for some reason."...and take up one seat."I still don't get it. u_u
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2014, 12:39:59 am
How important are these things to the DF succession game:
Tower
Temperate (it's that or Warm if we want the above, with a tiny shred of Hot access)
River access
USEFUL river access (IE not nearly 100% surrounded by steep cliffs)
Waterfall(s)
Aquifer existence/absence
Not being stonescrewed by the aquifer if there is one
Top layer of stone not being f*cking Mudstone (ugly brownass stone/brown assstone)
Not being in the same map tile as treehuggers
Savagery level
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 12:43:28 am
I don't really care about the treehuggers.
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 12:47:37 am
+1
Though as advice--if you pick a Waterfall (press tab to see the #s, it should be a nice drop in elevation on a 'water' tile from mapview), then we don't have to CARE about aquifers, because the waterfall already gives a space beyond the aquifer to just dig beneath it. :3
Temperate seems best if we're getting frozen ice sculptures or ice traps in winter. If we don't want to bother with probable water shortage//making an artificial clean well (two tile deep on well site), then we'd go with Warm for free running water all day, everyday.
Top layer of stone not being f*cking Mudstone (ugly brownass stone/brown assstone)But grass grows on the top layer?
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 12:49:57 am
I found one spot that did that where two rivers intersected.
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 03, 2014, 06:50:40 am
I mean,
Sand
Clay
Flux
Iron
Volcanos
Necromancers
Freezing climate
Scorching climate
Ocean access
Dragon cave
Vampires
High vegetation
Good areas
Evil areas
High savagery
Demon Fortress
Aquifers
Were creatures
No aquifers
Lots of colored stones
Diamonds
Giant Eagles
are all nice to have, but I don't think you need to find a site that has all those features.
Post by: Solymr on April 03, 2014, 06:54:24 am
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2014, 08:07:55 am
And I hate mudstone.
Top two sites are one with a 13 or 14 Z-level waterfall (but poor river access in 3x3 mode and mudstone) or a nice one with two waterfalls (1 and 2 Z-level) but is completely aquifered in. The former is temperate and the latter is warm.
Top layer of stone not being f*cking Mudstone (ugly brownass stone/brown assstone)But grass grows on the top layer?
I meant the highest stone is ugly mudstone instead of something grey, white, or black, like good Dwarven rock should be.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 08:56:59 am
Post by: Shakerag on April 03, 2014, 09:27:56 am
Okay, a competition for all of you mafia players: come up with the best mafia game joke you can. You get one submission. Go."Night ends in 24 hours."
Post by: ToonyMan on April 03, 2014, 12:40:10 pm
Post by: Solymr on April 03, 2014, 12:44:38 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 03, 2014, 01:17:24 pm
How did the clueless mafia member die?That's literally the origin of the expression!Spoiler: Yep, you guessed it (click to show/hide)
Post by: Persus13 on April 03, 2014, 01:35:42 pm
Or the ballsup in GBU.What?
Post by: Solymr on April 03, 2014, 01:44:35 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 01:48:52 pm
Post by: notquitethere on April 03, 2014, 02:39:25 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 03:20:41 pm
I'm well aware finding everything is impossible- it's just a matter of prioritizing. Plus, I'm the kind of person that is willing to do extra searching to find the best possible.Hallowed cheese.
And I hate mudstone.
Top two sites are one with a 13 or 14 Z-level waterfall (but poor river access in 3x3 mode and mudstone) or a nice one with two waterfalls (1 and 2 Z-level) but is completely aquifered in. The former is temperate and the latter is warm.
BLARGH the mudstone! There are other layers for the good of the community! With luck, we may hit the sedimentary layers, then the LOVELY magnetite-and co. layers :D Goodness knows the appraisal bonus of a smoothened, engraved room (even a 3x3 room!) would house kings.
Besides, the mudstone makes good intro-story. No good earth like dirt. :P
Also, temperate! That means we either start in spring with snow about to melt, and/or we have a frozen waterfall (which can easily be fixed by making it 'indoors'~ Which...I'm unsure if just building a roof over works, but as far as I know, yes it does.
We can be creative with the ice. :3
^Best joke. xDOkay, a competition for all of you mafia players: come up with the best mafia game joke you can. You get one submission. Go."Night ends in 24 hours."
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 03:23:23 pm
Hallowed cheese.What is this referencing? I tried to figure it out, and can't.
Secondly, I will personally mod mudstone to whatever color you want, and post the raws here so you can easily do it.
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2014, 03:28:00 pm
IN FACT I PUSHED EMBARK AND DF CRASHED, NOT LIKE I HAD SPENT TIME SETTING UP THE STARTING SEVEN JUST RIGHT AND FITTING THEM INTO THE STORY OR ANYTHING *headdesk*
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 03:29:21 pm
First off,Is an Ezzpreshun. :vHallowed cheese.What is this referencing? I tried to figure it out, and can't.
Then I'd have to re-gen the world, and I'm almost ready to start.NOOOO
IN FACT I PUSHED EMBARK AND DF CRASHED, NOT LIKE I HAD SPENT TIME SETTING UP THE STARTING SEVEN JUST RIGHT AND FITTING THEM INTO THE STORY OR ANYTHING *headdesk*
I think the seed is saved after every generated world if you go into the...manual world making option that I really forgot that isn't the 'make my world' option.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 03:30:42 pm
Ezzpreshun of what? What is origin of ezzpreshun?First off,Is an Ezzpreshun. :vHallowed cheese.What is this referencing? I tried to figure it out, and can't.
Post by: Solymr on April 03, 2014, 03:31:56 pm
Btw include me a dwarf if you can.
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2014, 03:32:33 pm
No biggie on the mudstone; I'm just going to dig under it. There's... gabbro, I think under it (and visible from the river canyon) I took the single large waterfall site.
Spoiler: * (click to show/hide)
PPE: And there's first on the dwarf list.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 03:33:13 pm
Well, that only saves the world seed, what he lost was the embark information.Then I'd have to re-gen the world, and I'm almost ready to start.NOOOO
IN FACT I PUSHED EMBARK AND DF CRASHED, NOT LIKE I HAD SPENT TIME SETTING UP THE STARTING SEVEN JUST RIGHT AND FITTING THEM INTO THE STORY OR ANYTHING *headdesk*
I think the seed is saved after every generated world if you go into the...manual world making option that I really forgot that isn't the 'make my world' option.
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 03:35:35 pm
Ezzpreshun of what? What is origin of ezzpreshun?My silly witty mind. x3
I like cheese.
Cheese is revered.
It is hallow.
I have several copies of the world, at least. I have the spot picked and the starting seven* picked outD'aww. c:
No biggie on the mudstone; I'm just going to dig under it. There's... gabbro, I think under it (and visible from the river canyon) I took the single large waterfall site.Spoiler: * (click to show/hide)
PPE: And there's first on the dwarf list.
You should probably add Vector soon, as well as Jim and the other early-player people like Toony and such.
Also since we're spawning ON a waterfall zone, we have free access UNDER the mudstone AND the aquifer layer \o/
..Unless the waterfall is to the side, then the access is...to the side and not the center. But anyways!
So who will run Y2? I'd love to do some internal architecture. Or if we're making an aboveground fort, the perimeter and probable base as we build into the hollow of the waterfall.
And for posterity, I hope you took pics. :P
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 03:37:51 pm
((Is it weird that people call me cheese, and I don't really like cheese that much?))Ezzpreshun of what? What is origin of ezzpreshun?My silly witty mind. x3
I like cheese.
Cheese is revered.
It is hallow.
If I run any of it, I'd prefer to run one of the earlier years, because I'm pretty bad at doing anything late-game.
Post by: Solymr on April 03, 2014, 03:42:33 pm
I for one love cheese.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 03:44:46 pm
We can call you mistercheesy if you like it better :PNo, what I meant is that even some people in RL used to call me "cheese", my username was derived from an actual high school nickname.
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 03:46:59 pm
Post by: Solymr on April 03, 2014, 03:47:29 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 03:50:44 pm
I actually tend to respond when people say "cheese" more readily then when people say my actual name, honestly.
Post by: Solymr on April 03, 2014, 03:55:36 pm
Post by: Vector on April 03, 2014, 03:55:52 pm
Post by: Solymr on April 03, 2014, 03:58:07 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 04:00:47 pm
Also, I probably don't respond very readily to my real name, because I used to go by my middle name as a kid, and have only been using my first name for about 6 or so years, of which few people actually used it.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 03, 2014, 04:16:13 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 03, 2014, 05:05:40 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 03, 2014, 05:06:46 pm
I can't remember, is there a way to gen a world with tonnes of vampires?
It's probably the "secrets" setting in advanced worldgen.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 05:12:45 pm
No, secrets affects necromancers, vampires have their own thing.I can't remember, is there a way to gen a world with tonnes of vampires?
It's probably the "secrets" setting in advanced worldgen.
But it only effects the limit, it doesn't guarantee they'll show up.
Post by: TheWetSheep on April 03, 2014, 06:09:53 pm
Actually, take me out of queue please. I might join up later again.Spoiler: * (click to show/hide)
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 03, 2014, 07:07:22 pm
So the starting seven include at least two people who aren't on the forums anymore...Spoiler: * (click to show/hide)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 03, 2014, 08:42:42 pm
So the starting seven include at least two people who aren't on the forums anymore...Spoiler: * (click to show/hide)
Webadict and Dakarian were both pretty awesome at Mafia, so it makes sense for them to be there. Our glorious and extensively historied lore demands it, etc.
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2014, 09:37:08 pm
Actually, take me out of queue please. I might join up later again.Spoiler: * (click to show/hide)
Noted. I'll try to slot in those others who said "put me in early because of FPS problems." Just sucking at late game is no excuse! You don't have to be good!
I can't schedule a military for crap
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 09:39:05 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 03, 2014, 09:43:44 pm
Basically, what are the rules?
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2014, 10:14:08 pm
The exploits in the parens, no. Savescum is for emergencies only (flooding the fortress, accidentally killing everyone, etc; not "a siege and half the fort died."
There aren't any game-specific rules, though I may or may not have made things interesting via site selection.
Post by: Tiruin on April 04, 2014, 01:13:51 am
I can't schedule a military for crapI can. :3
Pretty easy actually.
Easy enough that I can train 2 of the founders into Great~ level [weapon-users] when winter comes...
Create squad. Designate armor//designate training weapons. Go to schedule. Set to (current # of dwarves in squad, advised to be 2 for the starters for easy dueling/sparring), turn military on (and make sure they at least have flasks/waterskins because it makes no difference as compared to food, wherein dining halls are a HUGE difference). Create weapon rack/armor stand. Place WR/AS. Make into training area.
:D
Hinthint: If you want specialized weapon-users (because wrestling isn't that fun no more u_u), put a starting novice [+1] or ...the name of the +2 point rank, skill into those dwarves so they can get to the hacking due to having a background in it. The first months would be usually teaching and such--and they need to be fulltime to be effective (unless its the long term), so...yeah.
Post by: Vector on April 04, 2014, 01:49:45 am
That's exactly why they are there, along with Org; they're legendaries. I needed names for major players, and there they are- I wanted to intentionally pick people who were not around to join in. Vector's absence is for the same reason. Anyone else can just dwarf themselves from migrants (or get dwarfed ahead of time.)
I'd like to remind everyone right now that I have never played DF, so someone else should name a migrant after me >______>
Also, please don't forget Pandarsenic :]
Post by: Tiruin on April 04, 2014, 01:53:46 am
I'd like to remind everyone right now that I have never played DF, so someone else should name a migrant after me >______>O_o
I could introduce you to it one time if you're ok with that, and have the time. :)
...Vector for manager? That profession is the best profession ever in the world. :3
PS: Toaster/whoever will do Y1. Set up the MANAGER as quick as you can. The faster the everything is recorded, the better. Also set it to 100% (there's an option with full records, I just forgot which one.)
All it needs, is a table, chair and an indoor spot.
Post by: notquitethere on April 04, 2014, 02:48:16 am
I'd like to remind everyone right now that I have never played DF, so someone else should name a migrant after me >______>How did you come to join the Bay 12 forum then?
Post by: Vector on April 04, 2014, 03:01:59 am
Post by: Solymr on April 04, 2014, 03:06:02 am
Post by: Vector on April 04, 2014, 03:11:03 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 04, 2014, 03:13:40 am
Post by: Solymr on April 04, 2014, 03:14:09 am
I don't lie and I'm not *too* socially awkward.
Post by: notquitethere on April 04, 2014, 04:54:53 am
My ex thought Mafia would help me become less socially maladjusted, and likes this board a lot >_> <_<Did it work? Well, you're still here after, what, four and a half years? That's pretty sociable.
Post by: Tack on April 04, 2014, 07:08:33 am
... God I've been here too long.
But I assume that if mafia didn't help, all the other threads might've.
Also, funny: got pissed because I made a ninjas vs samurai mafia idea and put it up just before a flight last weekend, and it hadn't been commented on once.
And only now do I realize that it never actually got posted.
Hilarious.
Post by: Toaster on April 04, 2014, 07:46:49 am
I'd like to remind everyone right now that I have never played DF, so someone else should name a migrant after me >______>
Also, please don't forget Pandarsenic :]
TIME TO START THEN!
And oh yeah, Pandar! Sorry, 2/3 of the starting 7; you just got bumped!
VectorMy ex thought Mafia would help me become less socially maladjusted, and likes this board a lot >_> <_<Did it work? Well, you're still here after, what, four and a half years? That's pretty sociable.
VectorxDariush is my OTP
Post by: Shakerag on April 04, 2014, 09:38:19 am
VectorxDariush is my OTPHey kid, what's this newfangled 'OTP' acronym mean?
Post by: Toaster on April 04, 2014, 09:44:48 am
Post by: Persus13 on April 04, 2014, 11:25:32 am
I remember Vec when she first turned up.It did, check the Mafia Set Up and Discussion Thread.
... God I've been here too long.
But I assume that if mafia didn't help, all the other threads might've.
Also, funny: got pissed because I made a ninjas vs samurai mafia idea and put it up just before a flight last weekend, and it hadn't been commented on once.
And only now do I realize that it never actually got posted.
Hilarious.
Post by: zombie urist on April 04, 2014, 12:20:13 pm
Post by: Shakerag on April 04, 2014, 12:48:10 pm
One True Pairing. It's a term from slashfic fandom for when you just have to cross your two favorite characters in a romantic interlude.Ahh. Well, if we're pairing Dariush then I have to go with my favorite (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=98843.msg2935714#msg2935714).
Post by: Toaster on April 04, 2014, 03:03:34 pm
IT BEGINS.
Note the turn list- I think I got the requests and in order. If I didn't, let me know in there.
Post by: notquitethere on April 04, 2014, 03:19:27 pm
That's a pretty good role.One True Pairing. It's a term from slashfic fandom for when you just have to cross your two favorite characters in a romantic interlude.Ahh. Well, if we're pairing Dariush then I have to go with my favorite (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=98843.msg2935714#msg2935714).
Post by: Vector on April 04, 2014, 03:42:05 pm
VectorMy ex thought Mafia would help me become less socially maladjusted, and likes this board a lot >_> <_<Did it work? Well, you're still here after, what, four and a half years? That's pretty sociable.
Yes, I have friends now! More than one of them, even. Other things that have worked included therapy!
Post by: Mephansteras on April 04, 2014, 03:51:41 pm
Post by: Solymr on April 05, 2014, 07:40:34 am
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2014, 10:33:46 am
Time to revive the old fanfic thread.No!!!
Post by: Tack on April 06, 2014, 12:09:06 am
No!!!
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2014, 11:08:47 pm
that's bad that I find it funny, isn't it?
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2014, 11:10:14 pm
Is it bad that I find it funny when I get a pm from someone in response to a pm I sent them over a week ago.I don't think that's bad.
that's bad that I find it funny, isn't it?
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2014, 11:14:06 pm
Is it bad that I find it funny when I get a pm from someone in response to a pm I sent them over a week ago.Yay, I'm funny!
that's bad that I find it funny, isn't it?
Sorry for lateness :x
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2014, 11:15:41 pm
Well, I wasn't going to mention any names. And I told you it was fine.Is it bad that I find it funny when I get a pm from someone in response to a pm I sent them over a week ago.Yay, I'm funny!
that's bad that I find it funny, isn't it?
Sorry for lateness :x
Frankly, if that pm was in response to what I think it was, then that idea is now sitting among all of my 15 other game ideas in a google doc.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2014, 11:18:52 pm
Frankly, if that pm was in response to what I think it was, then that idea is now sitting among all of my 15 other game ideas in a google doc.Don't you have it set up so that it shows what you send out? Then you can just read it to see.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2014, 11:20:25 pm
erm...Frankly, if that pm was in response to what I think it was, then that idea is now sitting among all of my 15 other game ideas in a google doc.Don't you have it set up so that it shows what you send out? Then you can just read it to see.
I didn't save it to outbox, and the title of the pm she responded to was hella unclear.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2014, 11:22:38 pm
If you go into your profile settings, you can have it save them by default.erm...Frankly, if that pm was in response to what I think it was, then that idea is now sitting among all of my 15 other game ideas in a google doc.Don't you have it set up so that it shows what you send out? Then you can just read it to see.
I didn't save it to outbox, and the title of the pm she responded to was hella unclear.
That's what I did.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2014, 11:23:35 pm
Thus why I should read the instructions first.If you go into your profile settings, you can have it save them by default.erm...Frankly, if that pm was in response to what I think it was, then that idea is now sitting among all of my 15 other game ideas in a google doc.Don't you have it set up so that it shows what you send out? Then you can just read it to see.
I didn't save it to outbox, and the title of the pm she responded to was hella unclear.
That's what I did.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2014, 11:26:55 pm
Thanks for you guys that are still here.
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2014, 11:44:10 pm
I'm just going to use this post for the usual weekend angst about low activity.I prod your angst, like I'd be prodding anyone's angst like probably Jim's or Vector's but I dunno if they're ok with that and then give advice that was taught to me that I have trouble following and sometimes being hypocritical yet know its totally good advice and wooo I'm rambling. :I
Thanks for you guys that are still here.
And you're welcome!
*still exists*
There are no help manuals on forums. :PThus why I should read the instructions first.If you go into your profile settings, you can have it save them by default.erm...Frankly, if that pm was in response to what I think it was, then that idea is now sitting among all of my 15 other game ideas in a google doc.Don't you have it set up so that it shows what you send out? Then you can just read it to see.
I didn't save it to outbox, and the title of the pm she responded to was hella unclear.
That's what I did.
I discovered it the easy way after asking myself 'Isn't there anything that checks this darn tick-box when I want to save this PM?!'
Lo and behold! SETTINGS :D
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2014, 11:49:34 pm
Well, I think that your advice is good, regardless of whether you follow it yourself. I know I'm a hypocrite at times. Quite a lot.I'm just going to use this post for the usual weekend angst about low activity.I prod your angst, like I'd be prodding anyone's angst like probably Jim's or Vector's but I dunno if they're ok with that and then give advice that was taught to me that I have trouble following and sometimes being hypocritical yet know its totally good advice and wooo I'm rambling. :I
Thanks for you guys that are still here.
And you're welcome!
*still exists*
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2014, 11:50:58 pm
I'm a hypocrite... quite a lot. quite a lot indeed.Well, I think that your advice is good, regardless of whether you follow it yourself. I know I'm a hypocrite at times. Quite a lot.I'm just going to use this post for the usual weekend angst about low activity.I prod your angst, like I'd be prodding anyone's angst like probably Jim's or Vector's but I dunno if they're ok with that and then give advice that was taught to me that I have trouble following and sometimes being hypocritical yet know its totally good advice and wooo I'm rambling. :I
Thanks for you guys that are still here.
And you're welcome!
*still exists*
But anyway, fishy mc fisherton (no, that's not you, cheese), it's good to know you still exist.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2014, 11:52:57 pm
But anyway, fishy mc fisherton (no, that's not you, cheese), it's good to know you still exist.Oh, so it's not good that I exist? I see how it is, 4mask. Or should I say, scummy mcscumerton?
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2014, 11:54:16 pm
You never stated that you still existed, while fishy mcfisherton did.But anyway, fishy mc fisherton (no, that's not you, cheese), it's good to know you still exist.Oh, so it's not good that I exist? I see how it is, 4mask. Or should I say, scummy mcscumerton?
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2014, 11:56:14 pm
So I have to prove my existence to you, now? You're the one claiming I don't exist, it falls on you to find the proof!You never stated that you still existed, while fishy mcfisherton did.But anyway, fishy mc fisherton (no, that's not you, cheese), it's good to know you still exist.Oh, so it's not good that I exist? I see how it is, 4mask. Or should I say, scummy mcscumerton?
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2014, 11:57:59 pm
No no, see, you have it all wrong. I never said you don't exist, I said that you never said you exist. There's a difference.So I have to prove my existence to you, now? You're the one claiming I don't exist, it falls on you to find the proof!You never stated that you still existed, while fishy mcfisherton did.But anyway, fishy mc fisherton (no, that's not you, cheese), it's good to know you still exist.Oh, so it's not good that I exist? I see how it is, 4mask. Or should I say, scummy mcscumerton?
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2014, 11:59:12 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 07, 2014, 12:01:05 am
It seems to me that you're just trying to twist my words around to suit your need!No no, see, you have it all wrong. I never said you don't exist, I said that you never said you exist. There's a difference.So I have to prove my existence to you, now? You're the one claiming I don't exist, it falls on you to find the proof!You never stated that you still existed, while fishy mcfisherton did.But anyway, fishy mc fisherton (no, that's not you, cheese), it's good to know you still exist.Oh, so it's not good that I exist? I see how it is, 4mask. Or should I say, scummy mcscumerton?
Am I right, scum?
I love how you guys are like best bros, like Jim and Toaster.You're included, too, you know.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 07, 2014, 08:13:04 am
It is possible. But you know I'm good at what I do, so if you suspect I'm scum I'm probably not, hmm?It seems to me that you're just trying to twist my words around to suit your need!No no, see, you have it all wrong. I never said you don't exist, I said that you never said you exist. There's a difference.So I have to prove my existence to you, now? You're the one claiming I don't exist, it falls on you to find the proof!You never stated that you still existed, while fishy mcfisherton did.But anyway, fishy mc fisherton (no, that's not you, cheese), it's good to know you still exist.Oh, so it's not good that I exist? I see how it is, 4mask. Or should I say, scummy mcscumerton?
Am I right, scum?
What Cheese said, since I'm too lazy to write it out.I love how you guys are like best bros, like Jim and Toaster.You're included, too, you know.
Post by: WhitiusOpus on April 07, 2014, 12:13:36 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 07, 2014, 02:07:13 pm
*Twiddles thumbs in corner and looks longingly at people being best friends.*You're also included, Opus.
That sounds like WIFOM to me, you scumbucket. I'm still voting you.It seems to me that you're just trying to twist my words around to suit your need!It is possible. But you know I'm good at what I do, so if you suspect I'm scum I'm probably not, hmm?
Am I right, scum?
Post by: ToonyMan on April 07, 2014, 02:41:10 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 07, 2014, 03:01:14 pm
You can only make friends with people who have tried to or have killed you.I'm going to put this in my sig.
Like my actual sig.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 07, 2014, 05:00:28 pm
You can only make friends with people who have tried to or have killed you.Tiruin hasn't tried to kill me yet... But I've killed her twice...
Post by: Persus13 on April 07, 2014, 05:23:10 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 07, 2014, 06:13:16 pm
Actually, she hasn't tried to kill me, either...You can only make friends with people who have tried to or have killed you.Tiruin hasn't tried to kill me yet... But I've killed her twice...
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2014, 06:15:03 pm
You can only make friends with people who have tried to or have killed you.Why does this logical fallacy exist. :'(
Post by: mastahcheese on April 07, 2014, 06:26:37 pm
Don't worry, Tiru, we're still your friends, even if we haven't tried to kill each other. :)You can only make friends with people who have tried to or have killed you.Why does this logical fallacy exist. :'(
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 07, 2014, 06:31:12 pm
You killed Tiruin in GBU. Just sayin'.Don't worry, Tiru, we're still your friends, even if we haven't tried to kill each other. :)You can only make friends with people who have tried to or have killed you.Why does this logical fallacy exist. :'(
WIFOM or not, TDS and Caz are the two people who have seen through my town disguise as mafia, and I don't see your name on the list :DThat sounds like WIFOM to me, you scumbucket. I'm still voting you.It seems to me that you're just trying to twist my words around to suit your need!It is possible. But you know I'm good at what I do, so if you suspect I'm scum I'm probably not, hmm?
Am I right, scum?
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2014, 06:33:42 pm
I also miss Imp.
:c
Post by: mastahcheese on April 07, 2014, 06:34:58 pm
Well, that would make it a one-way relationship, since she hasn't tried to kill me.You killed Tiruin in GBU. Just sayin'.Don't worry, Tiru, we're still your friends, even if we haven't tried to kill each other. :)You can only make friends with people who have tried to or have killed you.Why does this logical fallacy exist. :'(
So she would be friends with me, but I couldn't be friends with her, which just makes no sense at all.
Oh, so now you think you can throw your reputation around to save yourself?WIFOM or not, TDS and Caz are the two people who have seen through my town disguise as mafia, and I don't see your name on the list :DThat sounds like WIFOM to me, you scumbucket. I'm still voting you.It seems to me that you're just trying to twist my words around to suit your need!It is possible. But you know I'm good at what I do, so if you suspect I'm scum I'm probably not, hmm?
Am I right, scum?
I expected more from you, wolf.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 07, 2014, 06:39:00 pm
What reputation?Oh, so now you think you can throw your reputation around to save yourself?WIFOM or not, TDS and Caz are the two people who have seen through my town disguise as mafia, and I don't see your name on the list :DThat sounds like WIFOM to me, you scumbucket. I'm still voting you.It seems to me that you're just trying to twist my words around to suit your need!It is possible. But you know I'm good at what I do, so if you suspect I'm scum I'm probably not, hmm?
Am I right, scum?
I expected more from you, wolf.
Everybody else: do I have a reputation, or is Mastahcheese a lying scum?
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2014, 06:41:20 pm
Yes you do, 4mask. Just like eeeeveryone else~ :P
Post by: mastahcheese on April 07, 2014, 06:46:06 pm
What reputation?
Yes you do, 4mask. Just like eeeeveryone else~ :P
I rest my case, good sir!
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 07, 2014, 06:49:13 pm
Very clever. Also, I just asked all the Orbfalls dead a question in the deadchat, which it seems like nobody uses at all.What reputation?Yes you do, 4mask. Just like eeeeveryone else~ :P
I rest my case, good sir!
Yes you do, 4mask. Just like eeeeveryone else~ :P... I have a reputation...
Post by: mastahcheese on April 07, 2014, 06:52:00 pm
Very clever. Also, I just asked all the Orbfalls dead a question in the deadchat, which it seems like nobody uses at all.It'll get more use when more people die.
Post by: Tack on April 07, 2014, 08:44:45 pm
Just like eeeeveryone else~ :PWe talking Mafia specifically? 'Cos if so, I don't.
Have only | ever | played | town - housemixdropthatbeat.
Post by: Silthuri on April 08, 2014, 02:36:57 pm
Just like eeeeveryone else~ :P
I don't have one. Or at least I don't think I do...
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 08, 2014, 09:39:47 pm
4maskwolf: Hi guys, I got invited into a game as a replacement, how is everything... OH SWEET ARMOK PEOPLE ARE VOTING ME. Umm... umm... umm... RESTATE POINT SOMEONE ELSE MADE. THAT'S HOW YOU PLAY, RIGHT?
Everyone: Nope, scum. You're not even trying.
4maskwolf: Oh crap oh crap oh crap ROLECLAIM!!! MASTAHCHEESE IS TOWN!!!
Mastahcheese: Huh, that's odd. unvote
Imp: You are a lying scum, but I'm not voting for you because I'm not quite sure if you are lying.
Everyone else: 4maskwolf is scum!
4maskwolf: ERMAGHURD this game is so stupid I quit. 4maskwolf
Mastahcheese: You won't get away with this, Imp. And Wolf, cut it out and play the game.
4maskwolf: That may be a good idea. Unvote
Persus13: umm, guys... the day ended already
4maskwolf: Did it? it's not 3 pm yet...
Persus13: Click on the time remaining thing in Tiruin's last post
4maskwolf: oh...
Tiruin: 4maskwolf has been lynched! He was town cop! I can't lock the thread because stupid internet connection, but you know the drill.
4maskwolf: BAH!!!!
Tiruin: Shh, it's nighttime, that comes tomorrow silly.
4maskwolf: Oh...
Tiruin: Mastahcheese, vanilla townie, has died in the night!
4maskwolf: ...
Post by: mastahcheese on April 08, 2014, 09:41:49 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 08, 2014, 09:44:30 pm
AND NOBODY WANTED TO FRELLING LISTEN TO ME THAT IMP WAS FRELLING SCUM ARAARGAHRGAHGHI listened. And died an hour before your post. Because day end and no Tiruin because internet and life.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 08, 2014, 09:48:03 pm
Yeah. Of all the games I played, though, I still think I had the most fun with that game.AND NOBODY WANTED TO FRELLING LISTEN TO ME THAT IMP WAS FRELLING SCUM ARAARGAHRGAHGHI listened. And died an hour before your post. Because day end and no Tiruin because internet and life.
We were so close to a perfect town game, if people had just seen what Imp was pulling after you claimed.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 08, 2014, 09:56:01 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 08, 2014, 09:57:23 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 08, 2014, 09:57:55 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 08, 2014, 09:59:32 pm
Post by: Tack on April 08, 2014, 10:09:57 pm
'cos my first 'real' mafia was like:
Me: "Hi! Arguments."
Everyone: "Scum"
Me: "Um... No?"
Everyone: "Nvm. Just noob."
Tack has died in the night!
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 08, 2014, 10:13:11 pm
We talking beginner mafia or real mafia?something a little more satirical would likely have a stronger impact, but whichever you really feel like.
'cos my first 'real' mafia was like:
Me: "Hi! Arguments."
Everyone: "Scum"
Me: "Um... No?"
Everyone: "Nvm. Just noob."
Post by: Toaster on April 08, 2014, 10:14:20 pm
But Paranormal 16 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=57352.0) was educational, despite an early death. Then Supernatural 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=62587.0) happened and that was one of my most fondly remembered games.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 08, 2014, 10:19:25 pm
Other than the constant
Makeinu: Lawls, you don't even know what you're talking about.
Mastahcheese: You're not even making sense, scum!
Makeinu: That's called confirmation bias.
Nerjin: Sorry guys, I should be posting more soon.
Mastahcheese: It's not confirmation bias, it's you being frelling scum!
Makeinu: Everything I say is pointing to scum, so naturally I'm town.
Mastahcheese: You're directly contradicting yourself!
Persus: Cheese has a point, you know.
Makeinu: You should stop having tunnel vision, or you'll never make progress.
Mastahcheese: You're just trying to get me to let up off of you, scum!
Nerjin: I'll be here is a bit, but you guys are doing great.
Makeinu: That's called WIFOM, you should be really wary of that, as scum will trick you.
Mastahcheese: You mean the way you're trying to trick me, scum?
Nerjin: Yeah, I know I should be here more, I'll post stuff when I can.
Post by: Persus13 on April 08, 2014, 10:33:32 pm
New challenge to everyone: narrate your first experience with forum mafia in a similar format to what I just did. Bonus points for it being amusing.
Replaced into a BM
Persus: Everyone thinks my guy was scum. I'm going to talk about how townie my replace was.
Imp: still slightly suspicious of you but voting this guy
Persus: I agree with you that he's scum. Let's lynch!
Guy is lynched. Turns up town.
Persus has died in the night
Yeah.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 08, 2014, 11:34:17 pm
ToonyMan: Seriously guys we've won. We have more votes than the town. Join me and lynch Zai! Jesus Christ Org you're scum you should know this.
Org: I don't know what you're talking about Toony *we don't actually have enough votes they have a blocker*
ToonyMan: Well shit. If only there were some way for mafia to privately communicate *dies*.
And now, the thrilling conclusion, as Leafsnail replaces into the slot that everyone assumed would stay inactive forever
Frelock: I think you are scum, Leafsnail!
Leafsnail: Well I knw it has tobe Org. ToonyMan wouldn't try to get an inactive roll to vote with himm!
Frelock: Eh I'm not convinced. That's ok though, we can lynch both of you because it's 2009.
Leafsnail: Wait, relaly?
Mephansteras: Yes, really. Heck, I died three days ago and I'm still posting game related information in the thread! Anything goes!
ToonyMan: Me too!
Leafsnail: Cooll I gues well lynch both of us than.
TOWN WINS
Post by: Tack on April 08, 2014, 11:37:19 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 08, 2014, 11:38:39 pm
wutI assume that back in the day, Mafia was not very well organized.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 08, 2014, 11:41:34 pm
Tell me that isn't a fair summary
Post by: mastahcheese on April 08, 2014, 11:48:58 pm
that is hilarious.
Post by: Tiruin on April 08, 2014, 11:53:22 pm
Now to just post the flavor for that game... T_T;Yeah. Of all the games I played, though, I still think I had the most fun with that game.AND NOBODY WANTED TO FRELLING LISTEN TO ME THAT IMP WAS FRELLING SCUM ARAARGAHRGAHGHI listened. And died an hour before your post. Because day end and no Tiruin because internet and life.
We were so close to a perfect town game, if people had just seen what Imp was pulling after you claimed.
In my first game as town, the scum were leading a mislynch on me. I responded very scummily, ("You're scum for voting me, and by the way, I have a kill") and died. However, my role let me come back (not that I claimed this), so I was back the next day - just to get mislynched a second time. Unsurprisingly, the town lost after that.Admittedly, Caz and I KNEW that this was the turning point of the game...and still voted to kill you because RAEG.
Yeah we regret it. But than RAAAEG.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 08, 2014, 11:57:36 pm
Now to just post the flavor for that game... T_T;Do you have it written, and you just haven't put it in?
You know there's no reason for you to be worried about it, or anything like that, you really do have awesome writing, Tiru.
Post by: Tiruin on April 09, 2014, 12:00:20 am
Both. :xNow to just post the flavor for that game... T_T;Do you have it written, and you just haven't put it in?
You know there's no reason for you to be worried about it, or anything like that, you really do have awesome writing, Tiru.
*hides*
Also 2009 was a hilarious year.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 09, 2014, 12:03:16 am
*Pulls Tiruin back out*Both. :xNow to just post the flavor for that game... T_T;Do you have it written, and you just haven't put it in?
You know there's no reason for you to be worried about it, or anything like that, you really do have awesome writing, Tiru.
*hides*
Tiru, one of the main reasons you ran that game was to practice your writing skills.
If you really want to know what people think, and to give you constructive criticism, then you actually have to put it out there for people to read it.
Please?
Post by: notquitethere on April 09, 2014, 01:14:23 am
NQT Here, have all my useless RVS questions
Captain Ford Cheers NQT, let's lynch Scientist, he doesn't seem very good at this.
Scientist I'm going to be lynched any minute but I'm definitely not going to use my vote to save myself, no siree
NQT Ah hah! Only town would be this idiotic! He can't be receiving scum advice! Logic tells me to tie the vote!
Captain Ford Nah, let's kill Scientist
Scientist was Town
NQT Oh man I'm so good at this, I'm like a super detective. Investigate Ford
NQT has been night killed.
Ford was town as well, and that was the first of at least 13 consecutive losses.
Post by: Solymr on April 09, 2014, 03:31:09 am
...
It went like this:
Me: IG is scum!
*scum IG dies D1*
Me: wow I may be good at this.
*everyone dies*
Me: fken wolf you bussed IG
Wolf: lawls
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 09, 2014, 08:44:32 am
*removes Tiriun's hiding spot*Both. :xNow to just post the flavor for that game... T_T;Do you have it written, and you just haven't put it in?
You know there's no reason for you to be worried about it, or anything like that, you really do have awesome writing, Tiru.
*hides*
You don't HAVE to post it, Tiruin, but I loved the flavor. The flavor is one of the only reasons I bothered to watch the rest of the game, because I had died of my own stupidity, but the flavor was great. If you want to see horrible flavor, look no further than a 4maskwolf game you are in right now.
Post by: Tack on April 09, 2014, 09:46:43 am
If you want to see horrible flavor"Rite u cumts I ort 2 rek u cheeky bggrs." Sed the mans.
Him wuz pisd cuz bichez tryin 2 kill cumfts.
Find dem n evfy1 go home, or if tey win u get kikced in the hed.
Crikey.
Now nobody can literally in good conscience disparage their own writing skills.
Because real people write like this, not even as satire.
Post by: Tiruin on April 09, 2014, 10:57:18 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 09, 2014, 11:07:05 am
Bird: RangerCado! You're scum!
RC:No I'm not!
*Tunnel Vision Activate*
RC: I'm the Cop!
Bird: Well crap.
Birdy51 (Townie) has been killed in the night!
Post by: Jack A T on April 09, 2014, 12:29:58 pm
My first forum mafia experience (Supernatural 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74938.0)) isn't all that funny (mostly just me playing based on what I'd learned from EpicMafia, and failing completely as a result).
More amusing is Kingmaker 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=76609.msg1949470#msg1949470). I won't summarize the whole game, just the start of day 1.
Day 1 starts. NativeForeigner is king.
SaintDraze: BACON
SaintDraze: BACON
SaintDraze: BACON
Jim: What.
Supercharazad: Who is scum Jim? Who is kingmaker Jim? Why are you not posting Pandar?
Jim: ...the game just started.
Supercharazad (3 hours into the game): JIM IS SCUM! ALSO JOKER JAKE (sic) AND PAND ARE LURKING
SaintDraze: HEY JOE (sic).
Supercharazad (3 and a half hours into the game): Jim's scum, Joker's lurking, Jake's (sic) lurking, Pand's lurking. Oh, and SaintDraze is scum too.
Supercharazad (4 hours): LURKERS
Pandarsenic:
PEOPLEJokerman:
SLEEP
YOU
CUNT
Holy goddam tits. I'm missing an Economics lecture for this?Supercharazad: SEE JIM AND JOKER ARE SCUMS. Also, Jake (sic) and Leaf are lurking!
Pandarsenic: ...what.
Supercharazad: LURKERS
NativeForeigner: Does anyone have anything whatsoever against a Supercharazad lynch?
Supercharazad: I'm the Kingmaker.
Painiac: What.
Native: What.
Jim: What.
Pandar: What.
Leafsnail: Fuck.
Painiac: JACK IS LURKING
Jack: Alright, school's over for the day, I'm finally home...what the fuck.
SaintDraze: HEY JACK SUMMARIZE THE GAME
Jack: This is stupid.
SaintDraze: LOOK AT MY FACES
The game goes on like this. Day 1 is worth reading for a laugh.
Post by: Tiruin on April 09, 2014, 12:32:11 pm
Post by: Solymr on April 09, 2014, 12:42:07 pm
Post by: Toaster on April 09, 2014, 12:52:23 pm
You forgot Jim in dead chat:
Quote from: Jim in Dead Chat
WHAT THE FUCK, SUPERCHARAZAD.
YOU'VE BEEN PICKING KINGS AT RANDOM.
AND YOU HAVEN'T READ THE GAME.
FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT KINGMAKER.
and
I'm going to avoid talking about this game before I start swearing up a motherfucking goddamn storm.
I must say that's the only game I've seen when some players request that other active players get replaced.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 09, 2014, 01:04:38 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 09, 2014, 01:21:34 pm
Ahh Kingmaker 4...The last Kingmaker prior to Iron Diadem.
Kingmaker 4: the best Kingmaker of them all.
Also included:
*Painiac completely breaking down.
*NativeForeigner ragelynching Leafsnail.
*Jim being accidentally called a newbie.
*Jim being posthumously accused of parroting a newbie.
*SaintDraze and I snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
*The discovery of systemic issues in plain Kingmaker.
Post by: Tiruin on April 09, 2014, 01:23:37 pm
Post by: Toaster on April 09, 2014, 01:24:12 pm
*Jim being accidentally called a newbie.
So that's what game that was! I'd been looking for that.
Post by: Jack A T on April 09, 2014, 01:25:58 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 09, 2014, 02:27:41 pm
e:
What's worse, town's probably saddled with this Kingmaker for the whole game.
Great.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 09, 2014, 05:01:10 pm
Games where the town plays horribly for most of the game but then somehow wins are my favourite
Limerick Mafia in a nutshell.
As for my first memorable game (reposted and rewritten):
Scum: TheDarkStar is scum!
Me: That's silly! I haven't even said anything yet! You're scum for leading a mislynch.
Everyone: TheDarkStar is just saying that because he's being voted for.
Me: Oh yeah, I can kill people.
Everyone: We're killing you for sure now.
(the game had an "expedition" system where the three or four people with the most votes were the ones who decided who among themselves died)
*TheDarkStar and three people who want him dead have gone, and the scummy guy has used his power to avoid having to go!*
TheDarkStar was met with an unfortunat accident! Suddenly, he shows up again!
Me: Did I mention that I can survive being lynched? No? Oops! I'm still town and I can still kill someone. Lynch those scummy guys!
Everyone: WHY DID YOU NOT TELL US? NOW WE WILL KILL YOU AGAIN!
Me: But I'm town!
TheDarkStar has been lynched! He was town!
A townie has been killed! (by me)
Everyone: Well, he was right. Let's keep listening to the same people we were in the first place, especially since it's LyLo!
Another townie was mislynched!
Another townie was killed by the scum!
The town has lost. The guys that everyone listened to were scum, unsurprisingly.
Post by: Tiruin on April 09, 2014, 05:34:42 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 09, 2014, 05:40:14 pm
I am motivated now.*Mastahcheese flails in joy like a muppet*
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 09, 2014, 09:31:05 pm
Now to rawrhghghgh TheDarkStar because he's rubbing it in. :I
At that point, there were some problems with my playstyle that weren't resolved until it was FAR too late.
Post by: notquitethere on April 10, 2014, 02:54:39 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 10, 2014, 02:20:28 pm
Despite the powerful case he had made, I was able to ignore it and essentially continue on like nothing happened. O.o It was a very tense LYLO for me, being a new player.
Post by: Vector on April 10, 2014, 05:25:05 pm
Post by: Parsely on April 10, 2014, 06:08:01 pm
I mentioned it a couple months ago and I think whomever moderated that game said I did well. Didn't remember it that way though. It felt like a mess to me.
Post by: Silthuri on April 10, 2014, 06:33:56 pm
*uncontrollable giggles*I am motivated now.*Mastahcheese flails in joy like a muppet*
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 10, 2014, 08:37:41 pm
Post by: WhitiusOpus on April 10, 2014, 09:10:02 pm
....
I'm still in my first mafia game. Shit.
*Runs away flailing with sadness. Like a muppet.*
Post by: Tiruin on April 10, 2014, 09:13:37 pm
Oh yeah! I have one of those great first time mafia stories! I was -I do henceforth remember you playing in a BM.
....
I'm still in my first mafia game. Shit.
*Runs away flailing with sadness. Like a muppet.*
Or 4mask's regular game.
*pats Whitius like a muppet*
On that note, when people say muppets, it invokes a sense of concern and...love(?) from me.
Anyone remember Kermit? :P
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 10, 2014, 09:18:43 pm
Post by: Vector on April 10, 2014, 09:33:00 pm
On an unrelated note, who here has had that experience where you are modding a game and really want to interject commentary in the chats, then remind yourself that you are the mod and say nothing?
*raises hand*
Post by: Tack on April 10, 2014, 09:40:03 pm
And it's just hilarious.
And I haven't modded a game yet. I'm trying (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137698.0), but I just don't got the cred, so nobody's joining. (Other than a few lovely showoffaith-ers)
Post by: Jack A T on April 10, 2014, 09:43:39 pm
And I haven't modded a game yet. I'm trying (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137698.0), but I just don't got the cred, so nobody's joining. (Other than a few lovely showoffaith-ers)I'm not exactly a showoffaith-er. I'm in mostly because it looks vaguely interesting and there's really nothing else open, and it's less mechanics-focused than CYOM.
Post by: Tiruin on April 10, 2014, 09:45:24 pm
*raises both hands*On an unrelated note, who here has had that experience where you are modding a game and really want to interject commentary in the chats, then remind yourself that you are the mod and say nothing?
*raises hand*
Oooooh goodness yes.
Post by: Toaster on April 10, 2014, 09:50:02 pm
*raises both hands*On an unrelated note, who here has had that experience where you are modding a game and really want to interject commentary in the chats, then remind yourself that you are the mod and say nothing?
*raises hand*
Oooooh goodness yes.
Same here.
And I haven't modded a game yet. I'm trying (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137698.0), but I just don't got the cred, so nobody's joining. (Other than a few lovely showoffaith-ers)
Sadly, I have dropped my game limit to two lately.
Post by: Persus13 on April 10, 2014, 09:50:30 pm
In my first BM, I spent the majority of my time trying to explain a theory about the jailor that I had formed, claiming that there was evidence that there wasn't one and that was why one of the many lurkers had to be scum. Surprisingly, no one lynched me for it. And there was a jailor: the guy I thought was the cop.You thought I was the cop?
On an unrelated note, who here has had that experience where you are modding a game and really want to interject commentary in the chats, then remind yourself that you are the mod and say nothing?Yep. Although using deadchat for this purpose is the safest though, unless there are resurrects.
Post by: Toaster on April 10, 2014, 09:54:48 pm
The best deadchat mod comments are the vague and only tangentially helpful ones!
Post by: mastahcheese on April 10, 2014, 09:55:38 pm
Anyone remember Kermit? :PYESH
Personally, though, Animal was my favorite.
Post by: Toaster on April 10, 2014, 09:57:24 pm
Post by: Parsely on April 10, 2014, 09:59:12 pm
Anyone remember Kermit? :PYESH
Personally, though, Animal was my favorite.
Quote
Animal was my favorite
Quote
ANIMAL
I want to.... EAT DRUMS!!!
[chews on a cymbal]
No, no!! Beat drums, beat drums!!
[stops chewing] Beat drums! Beat drums!
[Starts beating his head against that same cymbal]
Post by: mastahcheese on April 10, 2014, 10:00:22 pm
Post by: Vector on April 10, 2014, 10:03:04 pm
Post by: notquitethere on April 11, 2014, 05:16:46 am
bring your own moderatorThis gives me an idea for a mafia variant:
Eight players, eight games, each player is a mod of a game and player in the rest. If a player dies in one game, the game they're modding is lost. All games happen simultaneously. Bring-Your-Own-Mod ends when one of its games ends in a win for one team. Everything happens in the same thread.
Post by: Persus13 on April 11, 2014, 06:39:46 am
You'd probably have to have different color votes and some way of using titles.bring your own moderatorThis gives me an idea for a mafia variant:
Eight players, eight games, each player is a mod of a game and player in the rest. If a player dies in one game, the game they're modding is lost. All games happen simultaneously. Bring-Your-Own-Mod ends when one of its games ends in a win for one team. Everything happens in the same thread.
Okay, here's my bah post:This is actually the third time Pufferfish has been the town cop in a BM. He got Night Killed N2 (by me)
DAMN IT DON'T YOU KNOW THAT PUFFERFISH IS ALWAYS TOWN COP. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN HIS LAST BM TOO, EXCEPT THAT I GOT TO BE THE SACRIFICAL LAMB.
Oh, who am I kidding. Good game, everyone.
Post by: Silthuri on April 11, 2014, 06:51:19 am
In my first BM, I spent the majority of my time trying to explain a theory about the jailor that I had formed, claiming that there was evidence that there wasn't one and that was why one of the many lurkers had to be scum. Surprisingly, no one lynched me for it. And there was a jailor: the guy I thought was the cop.You thought I was the cop?
Yep. Remember when I was accusing you of active-lurking without knowing what active-lurking was? I stopped because I thought you were the cop. You being the JK didn't cross my mind because I seriously thought we didn't have one.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 11, 2014, 08:25:30 am
This sounds amazing, and terrible, and amazing!bring your own moderatorThis gives me an idea for a mafia variant:
Eight players, eight games, each player is a mod of a game and player in the rest. If a player dies in one game, the game they're modding is lost. All games happen simultaneously. Bring-Your-Own-Mod ends when one of its games ends in a win for one team. Everything happens in the same thread.
Post by: Tiruin on April 11, 2014, 08:28:50 am
Cue Meph joining.
Post by: WhitiusOpus on April 11, 2014, 09:16:40 am
On an unrelated note, who here has had that experience where you are modding a game and really want to interject commentary in the chats, then remind yourself that you are the mod and say nothing?*snickers at this in private, then quickly stops*
HMMM.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 11, 2014, 07:04:09 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 11, 2014, 09:35:23 pm
I have a reason for asking this, I'm not quite insane enough that I have no reasons.
Post by: Tiruin on April 11, 2014, 09:38:06 pm
:)
That's a bastard mod. Fun in puzzles. Think out of box.
Is there a box?
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 11, 2014, 09:38:24 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 11, 2014, 09:40:20 pm
I use words carefully.
Post by: Tiruin on April 11, 2014, 09:41:36 pm
*gives 4mask a puzzle*Yep. :P
:)
That's a bastard mod. Fun in puzzles. Think out of box.
Is there a box?
You get to present your own tweest on Mafias!
See: The Lonely Prince for a GREAT example!
See: Vector.
Post by: Jack A T on April 11, 2014, 09:42:24 pm
Okay, I must ask, what exactly is the allure of running bastard mods?Basically, you get to shove a nice puzzle at your players, which is fun to create.
Then you get to watch them struggle to solve the puzzle while still killing each other (and you). Such struggling is likely to be hilarious to watch.
They can also allow more direct moderator activity than other games, in some cases.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 11, 2014, 09:44:04 pm
eh, I trolled my players quite enough in the early days of Orbfalls, to the point where I have massive Q&A lists to answer any conceivable questions and they still had some questions. Which may actually be partly the players trolling me, now that I think about it.Okay, I must ask, what exactly is the allure of running bastard mods?Basically, you get to shove a nice puzzle at your players, which is fun to create.
Then you get to watch them struggle to solve the puzzle while still killing each other (and you). Such struggling is likely to be hilarious to watch.
They can also allow more direct moderator activity than other games, in some cases.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 11, 2014, 09:49:53 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 11, 2014, 10:23:02 pm
Okay, I must ask, what exactly is the allure of running bastard mods?The clue is in the name
Post by: Vector on April 11, 2014, 10:43:31 pm
Okay, I must ask, what exactly is the allure of running bastard mods?
Laughing at others
Post by: Tiruin on April 12, 2014, 07:40:54 am
I'm running Mafia in another forum~
I now seem to have found out firsthand why it was explicitly mentioned that asking one's favorite ice cream is a bad thing. :'(
If that's the only thing being asked.
Post by: Solymr on April 12, 2014, 07:44:24 am
And why is that? Did they jump on you like rabid dogs?
Post by: darkpaladin109 on April 12, 2014, 10:15:58 am
Spoiler: Inspecting Solymr PM (click to show/hide)
Besides that, I'm posting to say I won't really play Mafia again anytime in the future, since I can't really play it well.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 12, 2014, 10:18:22 am
Well, might as well post this here since I don't want to unncesarilly revive the Good, Bad and the Ugly thread.Heyo DP.Spoiler: Inspecting Solymr PM (click to show/hide)
Besides that, I'm posting to say I won't really play Mafia again anytime in the future, since I can't really play it well.
YOU SHOULD PLAY MORE!!!!!
Seriously, we all want you here. You just need to post more often in the games. don't be afraid of making a beginner mistake, we've all made them at some point (except cheese, he just makes mistakes)
Post by: mastahcheese on April 12, 2014, 07:49:41 pm
Hey! I...Well, might as well post this here since I don't want to unncesarilly revive the Good, Bad and the Ugly thread.Heyo DP.Spoiler: Inspecting Solymr PM (click to show/hide)
Besides that, I'm posting to say I won't really play Mafia again anytime in the future, since I can't really play it well.
YOU SHOULD PLAY MORE!!!!!
Seriously, we all want you here. You just need to post more often in the games. don't be afraid of making a beginner mistake, we've all made them at some point (except cheese, he just makes mistakes)
Actually I realize now that that's sort of a compliment.
But I do mess up quite a bit. Don't worry about that, practice makes not-quite-perfect-but-at-least-a-lot-better.
Post by: Tack on April 12, 2014, 08:59:09 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 12, 2014, 10:27:43 pm
IT'S TIME FOR THE WEEKEND INACTIVITY ANGST!
Because nobody is ever on when it's the weekend!
Post by: Solymr on April 13, 2014, 03:05:56 am
I GET THAT ANGST TOO
Post by: ToonyMan on April 13, 2014, 09:05:21 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2014, 09:07:03 am
Post by: Toaster on April 13, 2014, 09:19:52 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 13, 2014, 10:28:04 am
Linkity link?It's not me.
And why is that? Did they jump on you like rabid dogs?
:'(
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2014, 12:23:47 pm
It's funny; some games will have three posts over a weekend, and then some games will have three hundred. I've had many nasty Monday shocks over a busy weekend.That's what happened to a couple of people in Smstr W/ Love. There were like 20 pages generated in a single weekend by those of us who were there, and everyone else flipped out.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 13, 2014, 01:57:53 pm
It's funny; some games will have three posts over a weekend, and then some games will have three hundred. I've had many nasty Monday shocks over a busy weekend.That's what happened to a couple of people in Smstr W/ Love. There were like 20 pages generated in a single weekend by those of us who were there, and everyone else flipped out.
It also happened in CYOM. Pages 25-50 were basically written over a weekend.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 13, 2014, 07:54:33 pm
*Pats Tiruin*Linkity link?It's not me.
And why is that? Did they jump on you like rabid dogs?
:'(
I'm sure it'll turn out ok for them in the end.
Post by: darkpaladin109 on April 14, 2014, 02:19:02 pm
I'l propably end up playing in the next begineer's mafia, I think.Well, might as well post this here since I don't want to unncesarilly revive the Good, Bad and the Ugly thread.Heyo DP.Spoiler: Inspecting Solymr PM (click to show/hide)
Besides that, I'm posting to say I won't really play Mafia again anytime in the future, since I can't really play it well.
YOU SHOULD PLAY MORE!!!!!
Seriously, we all want you here. You just need to post more often in the games. don't be afraid of making a beginner mistake, we've all made them at some point (except cheese, he just makes mistakes)
Post by: WhitiusOpus on April 14, 2014, 02:43:25 pm
Anyways, I don't think I'm aggressive enough for mafia. That, and coupled with my extremely limited PC access makes posting long posts with spoilers, quotes, links, etc. really hard.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 14, 2014, 07:26:27 pm
I swear to god, mastahcheese.What did I do this time?
Post by: WhitiusOpus on April 14, 2014, 07:28:46 pm
What didn't you do, is a better question.I swear to god, mastahcheese.What did I do this time?
Post by: mastahcheese on April 14, 2014, 07:41:06 pm
Stop dodging the question, what are you accusing me of?What didn't you do, is a better question.I swear to god, mastahcheese.What did I do this time?
Post by: Jack A T on April 14, 2014, 07:42:21 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 14, 2014, 07:44:06 pm
Stop bussing each other so obviously, scum.Are you giving advice to scum now, scumbucket?
Post by: Jack A T on April 14, 2014, 08:20:23 pm
I am now the Banter thread IC, for the duration of this post and that one.Stop bussing each other so obviously, scum.Are you giving advice to scum now, scumbucket?
Post by: Cheeetar on April 14, 2014, 08:39:17 pm
I am now the Banter thread IC, for the duration of this post and that one.
Possibly best to only use the game's thread for playing the game, though.
Post by: Tack on April 14, 2014, 09:04:47 pm
Not sure if that's what Whitus is going on about. But just in case it isn't, don't talk about games in progress.
Post by: flabort on April 14, 2014, 10:10:00 pm
OK, so the forum is Giant in the Playground Games.
The roles are pretty standard werewolf roles, AKA Seer (cop), Baner (Doctor), Masons, 3rd party "Lovers", etc. Pretty vanilla for GitP.
But the twist is that there's two wolf night kills, and only two wolves (And a devil; wolves didn't know eachother, devil was wolf seer to find us and unite us). Furthermore, the wolves doing the killing have to write the flavor of the kill themselves; minimum 4 sentences. It must include 4 clues: two that point at yourself, two red herrings. The clues had to be bolded in the Target PMs, so the Game Master (Mod) can see which is which. Oh, and the setting is ambiguous.
So I'm a wolf. I have my own kill, and have to write the clues. My avatar there is a Demilich Left Hand, AKA a skeletal hand with lots of bejeweled rings and some bones replaced with gemstones. I've also filled the D&D3.5 homebrew subforum with lots and lots of Hydra related stuff (including a were-template for magical beasts, with a werehydra as example; or a monstrous progression for Hydra and Werehydra); all my contributions to character building competitions have been hydra themed or based.
So first night's kill had stuff about choking the victim to death, the grasp unbelievably cold, but the surroundings had grim and ominous clues that pointed to my targets. People picked up on the grasping hand thing, but they fixated on the red herring; or one, my fellow wolf had a herring to the same person, a very obvious clue; town figured that if there were clues to the same person in the kills, then one had to be a herring, probably both; they also picked out a piece of text that wasn't a clue or herring and called it the second clue towards the victim of the day. One successful wagon and lynch later, and I'd picked off the Baner. 8)
Night two. Office setting. Someone working late (cracking their knuckles as they get up) is assaulted as they leave their cubicle, obvious clue pointing to the guy with a guy at a desk with a computer for his avatar. I wrote of a poster on the assailant's cubicle, advertising a movies; a giant gorilla duking it out with a hydra. Well, the guy with the cartoon king kong avatar is pointed at, but town figures it for a herring, rightly. But they pick up on the hydra, but instead of it pointing at me, town points at... they guy with the llama avatars? Oh, right, he had his Godzillama avatar, and they figured the giant monster pointed at a giant monster. :D Another lynch, and I was almost done with town.
Don't remember any details of night 3. I do remember the devil had found both wolves now, and we had set up a quicktopic to discuss our kills now. And we had agreed that my kill would have a herring pointing at him, and he one at me, because his cover was almost blown by now anyways; with the night one crossed herrings mistake, it was sure to lead town away from him; we proofread eachother's kills, and then sent them in. Town fell for it, and we survived to the next night, yay!
We offed two more people. The next day was 3 wolves (me, my ally, and the Devil), 4 town. I've since learned you call this Lych or Lose. And with two night kills for wolves, it was pretty obvious that unless they got a killer, they'd lose; the Devil wouldn't do. Town finally compiled all of my ally's clues, and offed him. However, with my kill, I brought it to 2:3 at night. Still didn't get my clues. Lynched the Devil. I off one more guy, the last Mason. 1:2. If I win they lynch, I win.
I convinced the Seer that they other guy was the killer (Llama guy iirc, currently with a hooded acolyte llama avatar), since I'd killed the guy he'd targeted that night; he had no seer reads on either of us. One Llama dead, and I'd won. Sole remaining wolf, and I got to write the flavor text for killing the seer, too, though the GM said I didn't need to if I didn't want to, and all restrictions were gone. I wrote it anyways. Over 8 clues as to my identity went into the final post, where the GM revealed my and the seer's roles, and declared wolves victorious. :D
Hence why I in particular like bastard mods. However, my memory on those events is fuzzy and I may be misremembering. Pretty sure that's how it went.
Post by: Tiruin on April 15, 2014, 06:52:55 am
Post by: Cheeetar on April 15, 2014, 08:45:21 am
Post by: Solymr on April 15, 2014, 08:48:10 am
Post by: Jack A T on April 15, 2014, 11:18:57 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 15, 2014, 03:38:10 pm
BYOF anyone?
Bring your own ...?
Post by: Jack A T on April 15, 2014, 03:38:44 pm
... flavour.BYOF anyone?
Bring your own ...?
Post by: WhitiusOpus on April 16, 2014, 06:34:34 am
Also, Tiruin, what did you mean in the post that said "put the final nail in my coffin"? I didn't quite understand that...
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2014, 06:59:01 am
Also, Tiruin, what did you mean in the post that said "put the final nail in my coffin"? I didn't quite understand that...:O
Oh, it's an allegory to when they did coffins closed by using nails. :P
It 'sealed the deal' or 'confirmed my suspicions' in regard to what I was suspecting you on. ^ ^
Though you got me rolling for quite a bit there. :D That was nice.
Post by: Toaster on April 16, 2014, 07:39:22 am
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
Post by: Persus13 on April 16, 2014, 08:40:21 am
I think he was more meaning what the content in that post meant. I couldn't understand it either. Something about if he was town he'd do something about your cop claim?Also, Tiruin, what did you mean in the post that said "put the final nail in my coffin"? I didn't quite understand that...:O
Oh, it's an allegory to when they did coffins closed by using nails. :P
It 'sealed the deal' or 'confirmed my suspicions' in regard to what I was suspecting you on. ^ ^
Though you got me rolling for quite a bit there. :D That was nice.
Post by: WhitiusOpus on April 16, 2014, 12:52:18 pm
This. I understand the English euphemism quite well. :PI think he was more meaning what the content in that post meant. I couldn't understand it either. Something about if he was town he'd do something about your cop claim?Also, Tiruin, what did you mean in the post that said "put the final nail in my coffin"? I didn't quite understand that...:O
Oh, it's an allegory to when they did coffins closed by using nails. :P
It 'sealed the deal' or 'confirmed my suspicions' in regard to what I was suspecting you on. ^ ^
Though you got me rolling for quite a bit there. :D That was nice.
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2014, 08:24:45 pm
Well. First, I'm saying that you should get your foundations sturdy. As in: If you're going against a claimed role--prepare to attack it and not just make a superficial punch at it.
I think he was more meaning what the content in that post meant. I couldn't understand it either. Something about if he was town he'd do something about your cop claim?Yes.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 17, 2014, 08:20:50 am
Post by: Vector on April 17, 2014, 02:29:52 pm
Turns out I actually can't be creative while under my abusive parents' roof. If there is still interest in Iron Diadem by the time I get out of here, I will return to it. Otherwise, I do not anticipate that these circumstances in which I am in will ever replicate themselves.
Post by: Tiruin on April 17, 2014, 05:29:21 pm
By which I say: We'll be interested when you're ready. :)
Post by: Cheeetar on April 17, 2014, 09:36:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 17, 2014, 10:52:18 pm
Post by: Vector on April 17, 2014, 10:54:17 pm
At least your parents have a roof to be abusive under. 😢
ok
Post by: Shakerag on April 18, 2014, 08:36:15 am
At least your parents have a roof to be abusive under.Awkward~.
Post by: Tack on April 18, 2014, 08:37:34 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 18, 2014, 08:39:24 am
*hugs ToonyMan*
You two should be less stuck-up when with us. :I
I learned that the hard way.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 18, 2014, 09:06:07 am
I don't care about the mongooses. Not even my warthog. I'm a little bit curious about the rest of the warthogs, and I'd love to know where our power supply went to, but what I really wanna know is WHERE ARE MY GODDAMN TANKS?!
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 03:51:54 pm
Post by: flabort on April 19, 2014, 04:25:53 pm
What I do know is that the meta is confusing, relying on questions instead of votes. The only way to track scummyness in metas I'm used to are who they vote for and their reaction to having a lot of votes on them; I was caught off guard in Orbfalls. Of course, where as the Random Voting Stage only lasted a day and a half here, RVS lasts around 3 days on the GitP Games forum.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 04:30:10 pm
I wouldn't know. I'm relatively new to the mafia subsubsection of B12.I think there is a bit too much of a reliance on the questions to provide answers, but the vote-and-otherwise based analysis can be broken (see GBU). A healthy mix is what I think is required, but either one requires player participation. The town won GBOO because of a fluke, mostly. One vote remained in play and nobody bothered to vote, so the scum doctor was lynched. That being said, IG delivered a timely roleblock that sealed the deal by confirming Opus to be scum.
What I do know is that the meta is confusing, relying on questions instead of votes. The only way to track scummyness in metas I'm used to are who they vote for and their reaction to having a lot of votes on them; I was caught off guard in Orbfalls. Of course, where as the Random Voting Stage only lasted a day and a half here, RVS lasts around 3 days on the GitP Games forum.
Post by: darkpaladin109 on April 19, 2014, 04:54:12 pm
I wouldn't know. I'm relatively new to the mafia subsubsection of B12.This is pretty much the reason I don't really play mafia well, since I guess it makes sense, but still, it puts way too much pressure on me when I get 2 questions, then when I answer one of them, everyone starts suspecting me and I get like 10 questions that are way too hard for me to answer.
What I do know is that the meta is confusing, relying on questions instead of votes.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 04:58:09 pm
I know what that feels like. But I also seem to have an uncanny knack of being overlooked in questioning, so as long as I remain somewhat active there aren't any problems.I wouldn't know. I'm relatively new to the mafia subsubsection of B12.This is pretty much the reason I don't really play mafia well, since I guess it makes sense, but still, it puts way too much pressure on me when I get 2 questions, then when I answer one of them, everyone starts suspecting me and I get like 10 questions that are way too hard for me to answer.
What I do know is that the meta is confusing, relying on questions instead of votes.
That being said, I'm considering running a game using the current beginner setup that is all "new" players (those who have played at least one bm but are not "experienced"). But I'm not sure how many people there are who would fit those criterion. But if I do run it, you should join, DP.
Post by: Tiruin on April 19, 2014, 05:37:24 pm
Wow. >_>I wouldn't know. I'm relatively new to the mafia subsubsection of B12.I think there is a bit too much of a reliance on the questions to provide answers, but the vote-and-otherwise based analysis can be broken (see GBU). A healthy mix is what I think is required, but either one requires player participation. The town won GBOO because of a fluke, mostly. One vote remained in play and nobody bothered to vote, so the scum doctor was lynched. That being said, IG delivered a timely roleblock that sealed the deal by confirming Opus to be scum.
What I do know is that the meta is confusing, relying on questions instead of votes. The only way to track scummyness in metas I'm used to are who they vote for and their reaction to having a lot of votes on them; I was caught off guard in Orbfalls. Of course, where as the Random Voting Stage only lasted a day and a half here, RVS lasts around 3 days on the GitP Games forum.
A...fluke.
So you don't mind or notice that we CHOSE not to vote, huh.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 05:40:05 pm
It was a fluke insofar as the town really won due to lack of activity. The scumteam missed their nightkill on the first night, missed a lot of their actions, and basically got screwed over entirely by inactivity. Pufferfish took no actions because constant inactivity, and Caz, who he replaced, only acted once. Superblackcat was missing much of the time as well. Only WhitiusOpus was actually there most of the time.Wow. >_>I wouldn't know. I'm relatively new to the mafia subsubsection of B12.I think there is a bit too much of a reliance on the questions to provide answers, but the vote-and-otherwise based analysis can be broken (see GBU). A healthy mix is what I think is required, but either one requires player participation. The town won GBOO because of a fluke, mostly. One vote remained in play and nobody bothered to vote, so the scum doctor was lynched. That being said, IG delivered a timely roleblock that sealed the deal by confirming Opus to be scum.
What I do know is that the meta is confusing, relying on questions instead of votes. The only way to track scummyness in metas I'm used to are who they vote for and their reaction to having a lot of votes on them; I was caught off guard in Orbfalls. Of course, where as the Random Voting Stage only lasted a day and a half here, RVS lasts around 3 days on the GitP Games forum.
A...fluke.
So you don't mind or notice that we CHOSE not to vote, huh.
My apologies if I offended you, Tiruin.
Post by: flabort on April 19, 2014, 05:40:25 pm
I have to say that Choosing not to vote seems strange to me. Vote No Lynch is also a new concept to me.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 19, 2014, 05:43:30 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 05:43:44 pm
In the meta I'm from, if you don't vote, it's considered being absent, even if you posted. Fail to vote two days in a row, you got replaced.I only vote no lynch in MYLO, and I've never been in a game where I have had to do so.
I have to say that Choosing not to vote seems strange to me. Vote No Lynch is also a new concept to me.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 19, 2014, 05:46:18 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 05:52:00 pm
In theory you should probably no lynch when there are an even number of players, in setups where weird things are unlikely to happen.lolz is this relating to that thing they calculated on mafiascum where it is statistically beneficial at a certain number for the town to no lynch and statistically beneficial at that same number for the scum to not kill in the case of a no-lynch?
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 05:59:58 pm
Post by: flabort on April 19, 2014, 06:18:07 pm
However, that shouldn't be a problem. I'll just move this train of thought to the Threshold thread, and if I don't get objections, the game may be up in... I dunno, less than 24 hours?
Post by: Toaster on April 19, 2014, 06:46:32 pm
Is it just me, or do we seem to be loosing more players than we are getting?
We're down from where we were 18-24 months ago. That said, as of right now we seem to be in a holding pattern; maybe even a bit up from six months ago.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 06:49:04 pm
But we also seem to be losing a good chunk of the new players and life is getting a lot of the veterans.Is it just me, or do we seem to be loosing more players than we are getting?
We're down from where we were 18-24 months ago. That said, as of right now we seem to be in a holding pattern; maybe even a bit up from six months ago.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 19, 2014, 06:49:54 pm
That's right, it means you should generally include a stalemate resolution plan in your rules.In theory you should probably no lynch when there are an even number of players, in setups where weird things are unlikely to happen.lolz is this relating to that thing they calculated on mafiascum where it is statistically beneficial at a certain number for the town to no lynch and statistically beneficial at that same number for the scum to not kill in the case of a no-lynch?
Basically it's harder to lynch one out of four players than it is to lynch one out of three.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 06:53:01 pm
I suppose that's the benefit of the current beginner setup: there is a cop to scare the mafia into action.That's right, it means you should generally include a stalemate resolution plan in your rules.In theory you should probably no lynch when there are an even number of players, in setups where weird things are unlikely to happen.lolz is this relating to that thing they calculated on mafiascum where it is statistically beneficial at a certain number for the town to no lynch and statistically beneficial at that same number for the scum to not kill in the case of a no-lynch?
Basically it's harder to lynch one out of four players than it is to lynch one out of three.
And the fact that most games so far have been new setups, some with unkown powers.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 19, 2014, 06:57:47 pm
It happens.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 06:58:13 pm
Life, yo.Oh I know.
It happens.
You're missing something you usually do.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 19, 2014, 07:00:38 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 19, 2014, 08:23:26 pm
Also, do note that this is a busy time for a lot of people, being around the end of a university semester.Is it just me, or do we seem to be loosing more players than we are getting?
We're down from where we were 18-24 months ago. That said, as of right now we seem to be in a holding pattern; maybe even a bit up from six months ago.
Post by: WhitiusOpus on April 19, 2014, 09:23:10 pm
Yeah, pretty much this. I would've had Puffer do the NK that last night, but he was completely inactive. As was, I was really the only scum truly playing :/.It was a fluke insofar as the town really won due to lack of activity. The scumteam missed their nightkill on the first night, missed a lot of their actions, and basically got screwed over entirely by inactivity. Pufferfish took no actions because constant inactivity, and Caz, who he replaced, only acted once. Superblackcat was missing much of the time as well. Only WhitiusOpus was actually there most of the time.Wow. >_>I wouldn't know. I'm relatively new to the mafia subsubsection of B12.I think there is a bit too much of a reliance on the questions to provide answers, but the vote-and-otherwise based analysis can be broken (see GBU). A healthy mix is what I think is required, but either one requires player participation. The town won GBOO because of a fluke, mostly. One vote remained in play and nobody bothered to vote, so the scum doctor was lynched. That being said, IG delivered a timely roleblock that sealed the deal by confirming Opus to be scum.
What I do know is that the meta is confusing, relying on questions instead of votes. The only way to track scummyness in metas I'm used to are who they vote for and their reaction to having a lot of votes on them; I was caught off guard in Orbfalls. Of course, where as the Random Voting Stage only lasted a day and a half here, RVS lasts around 3 days on the GitP Games forum.
A...fluke.
So you don't mind or notice that we CHOSE not to vote, huh.
My apologies if I offended you, Tiruin.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 19, 2014, 10:01:26 pm
Also, you forgot to angst about weekend participation :PAAAAANNNNNNGGGGGGSSSSSSSSTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!one!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 10:03:56 pm
My job here is done.So sure about that, Cheese. Giving up so easily, huh?
Post by: mastahcheese on April 19, 2014, 10:06:35 pm
It's not giving up when you've won, wolfy.My job here is done.So sure about that, Cheese. Giving up so easily, huh?
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 19, 2014, 10:08:45 pm
meh. Fine. Effin jailkeeps.It's not giving up when you've won, wolfy.My job here is done.So sure about that, Cheese. Giving up so easily, huh?
Post by: Hapah on April 21, 2014, 02:46:01 pm
Also hey everyone! It's been a minute.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 24, 2014, 07:14:10 am
Just life. Maybe if KotM is still going around the middle of next week I'll put myself in the queue for it, but there's just been no time lately!HI HAPAH!
Also hey everyone! It's been a minute.
Post by: Vector on April 24, 2014, 06:02:05 pm
I'm sorry for this situation, but it seems to be the most intelligent thing for me to do given the situation.
Post by: Tiruin on April 24, 2014, 06:14:50 pm
Now I can freely yell For the King in my thoughts! xD
Yay~Go, Vector!
Post by: Persus13 on April 24, 2014, 06:22:37 pm
Just for everyone's information, I'm strongly considering doing an Iron Diadem reboot (completely starting over) once my life is a little bit more stable.Are you going to reveal roles/flavor/alignments/what would have happened N1?
I'm sorry for this situation, but it seems to be the most intelligent thing for me to do given the situation.
Post by: Tiruin on April 24, 2014, 06:24:29 pm
I just re-read it and it said reboot first time I read it.
:(
I was hoping much more for a continuation...
Post by: Vector on April 24, 2014, 07:28:12 pm
I'll think about what I reveal. At the very least, everything's going to be shown at the end of the other version.
Post by: Tiruin on April 24, 2014, 09:53:24 pm
Quote from: These are the players in question
Jim Groovester - Mark II of House Magnus - who is now dead.That thing on the mail @SBC is that he checks this forum and is alarmed primarily by Email//Notify option.
Imp - Cille Edithsdatter Probably dealing with RL stuff. May have to really be replaced because I'm not hearing from her as of late :(
Persus13 - Gwenhwyfar Active
makeinu - Viggo Valentinsen Probably dealing with RL stuff. May have to really be replaced because I'm not hearing from him as of late :(
Cheeetar - Ansgar Danielsen Still alive
Caz - Vivianus of Austyn Still alive, though RL may be present
Urist Imiknorris - Rød Grønsdatter Still alive
SuperBlackCat - Kisa Albertsdatter Still alive, (Personal opinion: but then :I Check your mail more!)
Tiruin - Giovanna da Venezia Still alive
TolyK - Tadeusz Brzęczyszczykiewicz Still alive
Toaster - Maren Jørgensdatter Still alive
zombie urist - Louisa von Solenheim Still alive
Post by: Toaster on April 24, 2014, 10:01:00 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 24, 2014, 10:09:26 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 24, 2014, 10:16:21 pm
Post by: zombie urist on April 24, 2014, 10:24:33 pm
Post by: Vector on April 24, 2014, 10:34:01 pm
can't play until summer.
I PROBABLY CAN'T CONTINUE UNTIL SUMMER
buddies?!?!??!?!?!?
No but seriously, if I start taking coursework then I think I might be out of the house enough that I'd be able to do some creative stuff.
Post by: Cheeetar on April 25, 2014, 12:14:32 am
Just for everyone's information, I'm strongly considering doing an Iron Diadem reboot (completely starting over) once my life is a little bit more stable.
I'm sorry for this situation, but it seems to be the most intelligent thing for me to do given the situation.
Would this mean you're not going to continue the currently stalled version? I'm okay with that, but I'd be a bit bummed out (I actually did pretty okay in Mafia for once!)
Post by: Vector on April 25, 2014, 12:18:57 am
1. If people want me to continue the stalled version once I'm in a position to do that--whatever amount of time that takes--I will.
2. If people would en masse prefer to abandon the game, I will run another version straight from the beginning.
In other words, there will be a Iron Diadem game to play either way, though I would myself prefer door 1. The concept's not abandoned, I just kind of need to get to a better place with my life.
Post by: Tiruin on April 25, 2014, 12:20:19 am
I concede with continuing the stalled version.
Though priority goes to your decision Vector. We want you to do what makes you happy!
...I prefer #1
Post by: Cheeetar on April 25, 2014, 12:21:58 am
Post by: Persus13 on April 25, 2014, 06:16:38 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 25, 2014, 08:31:01 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjW4_OlhKfo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjW4_OlhKfo)
Post by: Toaster on April 25, 2014, 08:43:40 am
Post by: zombie urist on April 25, 2014, 12:44:15 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 25, 2014, 08:50:50 pm
#1 for me. I like my role too much. :)Well I like mine moar ):<
It's not everyday that I have flavor such as this. <3
Totes unrelated to the game, guys. I just love the everything.
Post by: flabort on April 25, 2014, 09:04:53 pm
On an unrelated note, this is the song that goes through my head whenever I roll up mafia, particularly in the last KotM:Wow.... that really, really fits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjW4_OlhKfo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjW4_OlhKfo)
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 25, 2014, 09:06:31 pm
Exactly.On an unrelated note, this is the song that goes through my head whenever I roll up mafia, particularly in the last KotM:Wow.... that really, really fits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjW4_OlhKfo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjW4_OlhKfo)
Post by: Tiruin on April 25, 2014, 09:08:52 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 25, 2014, 09:12:17 pm
I'd really disagree but >_>Wait... I thought you couldn't get youtube to work where you were...
Also, it fits when playing as scum. Less so as town.
Post by: Tiruin on April 25, 2014, 09:14:55 pm
I'm at a public PC shop :PI'd really disagree but >_>Wait... I thought you couldn't get youtube to work where you were...
Also, it fits when playing as scum. Less so as town.Yes! But not always :c
It's not how I play as scum, anyways, as a general note.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 25, 2014, 09:24:11 pm
Hmm. I've never seen you play scum anyway, so I wouldn't know. It's really appropriate for Leafy, actually. The man with the silver tongue.I'm at a public PC shop :PI'd really disagree but >_>Wait... I thought you couldn't get youtube to work where you were...Also, it fits when playing as scum. Less so as town.Yes! But not always :c
It's not how I play as scum, anyways, as a general note.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 25, 2014, 10:18:42 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on April 26, 2014, 12:51:15 am
I can't Youtubes, what is it? I am curious.
"You're Gonna Go Far, Kid", by The Offspring. It's a pretty neat tune.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 29, 2014, 09:53:21 pm
BUT I DID NOT SHOOT THE TOASTER~~~
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 29, 2014, 09:53:55 pm
I SHOT THE 4MASK...ayep.
BUT I DID NOT SHOOT THE TOASTER~~~
Yes you did.
Post by: Solymr on April 30, 2014, 03:01:50 am
Post by: flabort on April 30, 2014, 08:56:43 pm
1 scum kill per day, one either SK or Vig kill per day, day cop, and a day roleblocker for each side.
Hidden actions happen as they come in, so the roleblocker has to block before the other uses their action to be successful.
Post by: Persus13 on April 30, 2014, 09:53:13 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 01, 2014, 01:47:12 am
Mafia, Masons and Hackers had no night and scum could kill however many times they liked (but if they shot the wrong person, the kill would backfire). I greatly prefer this method as you don't have the forced periods of inactivity you get with nights.
If I run another Choose-Your-Own-Mafia next season, I'm considering having it Deep South where everyone can play one action in between each lynch and there is no night.
Post by: notquitethere on May 01, 2014, 09:42:45 am
Post by: Solymr on May 01, 2014, 09:44:32 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 01, 2014, 09:46:50 am
:p
Post by: Leafsnail on May 01, 2014, 08:27:08 pm
That was the funniest thing. All daykills mode should be a type of mafia.It's kinda been done
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=24232
Post by: Tiruin on May 01, 2014, 08:37:12 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on May 01, 2014, 09:34:55 pm
How about instead of an "all-daykills" mode, you make a "one vote to hammer" mode?
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 01, 2014, 09:37:39 pm
So, question.That... that...
How about instead of an "all-daykills" mode, you make a "one vote to hammer" mode?
Mastahcheese, for even suggesting that.
Day one has ended. Mastahcheese has been lynched.
Post by: mastahcheese on May 01, 2014, 09:41:21 pm
Day 2 has begun.
Post by: TheDarkStar on May 01, 2014, 09:43:05 pm
4maskwolf has been killed in the night. He was a vanilla townie.
Day 2 has begun.
TheDarkStar has won! He was a Vanilla Day-2 Kill-Everyone Mass Murderer!
Post by: zombie urist on May 01, 2014, 10:06:02 pm
So, question.I suggested this as "bumblebee mafia" in the other thread.
How about instead of an "all-daykills" mode, you make a "one vote to hammer" mode?
Bumblebee Mafia:
Premise: Foreign bees have entered the hive! Protect the honey and the queen!
Setup: All townies can sting. Mafia can't. Day ends when someone gets stung. The stinger and the stung both die and flip. Mafia win when they equal town. Nightless.-
Days are mainly for bookkeeping since there are no nights.
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 01, 2014, 10:27:05 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/dIFLUww.jpg)
Post by: mastahcheese on May 01, 2014, 10:28:27 pm
Post by: WhitiusOpus on May 03, 2014, 12:18:27 pm
Post by: Alexhans on May 03, 2014, 05:17:46 pm
The resolve is weaker and every day, is a day I need to fight the urges... A new day without mafia...
But then I remember Webadict, who was always scum and didn't always get what he deserved. And it gets easier.
It's fun seeing some of the old wretched, scummy, undesirable, unscrupulous hags around here...
Never trust a user just because he has been long... Never trust him because he sounds reasonable, in fact, the more reasonable that these guys sound, the more you should lynch them... every game, for whatever reason:
Leafsnail, Vector, Webadict, Cheeetar, Toonyman and anyone that has acquired reknown, for whatever reason...
If they start raging... They're scum. And If they don't, they're useless as power players... Lynch them soon and often!
Heed my words.
Godspeed. I was never here.
Post by: notquitethere on May 03, 2014, 05:47:25 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2014, 07:03:58 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on May 03, 2014, 07:49:32 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on May 03, 2014, 07:57:47 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on May 03, 2014, 10:33:27 pm
GODDAMNIT. FUCKING CHEESE MASTERS. CANT TRUST THEM AND THEIR LYING WAYS.I have no idea what you are referencing, good sir.
Post by: Tiruin on May 03, 2014, 10:46:43 pm
I remember you.
Post by: mastahcheese on May 03, 2014, 11:04:48 pm
If you shortened it to 48 hours, then you could actually do a "weekend mafia" for those of us that are actually active on weekends.I'll definitely do that if people would like, but seeing as I'm Australian the time zones might be a bit out of whack for that.
Basically, a 48-hour long "Weekend Mafia", for those of us that are actually active during the weekend, to curb the weekend inactivity angst.
Thoughts?
Post by: Cheeetar on May 05, 2014, 01:25:20 am
Post by: Leafsnail on May 05, 2014, 04:28:26 am
Post by: Nerjin on May 05, 2014, 08:03:07 pm
Whoops!
Post by: CobaltKobold on May 10, 2014, 11:34:05 pm
To truly excel at this, you've got to be effective without obtaining renown. You've got to be present and engaged while seeming distant and forgettable. In short, you've got to be not quite there: a psycho-spiritual state of being that I always feel like I'm on the verge of obtaining but never quite reach. Indeed, notquitethere is not quite there at being not quite there.
Well, I must say, I never thought I would get to meet the great Cobalt Kobold.Well, I guess I've failed.
Quote from: Alexhans
Hi, my name is Alex and I've been unmafia'd for 4 years
So, what's happening, aside from Vector getting into the cookie jar?
And Webadict noticing that, in fact, he was a webadict.
Post by: Tiruin on May 10, 2014, 11:36:44 pm
Cobalt! :D
...Vector is in a cookie jar?
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 10, 2014, 11:37:36 pm
I know it exists, I created this thread.Well, I must say, I never thought I would get to meet the great Cobalt Kobold.We have a topic for this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136990.msg5270415#msg5270415)
It's a pleasure to meet you, ma'am
Wait...
*ahem*cookie... jar...
Cobalt! :D
...Vector is in a cookie jar?
Post by: Tiruin on May 10, 2014, 11:40:13 pm
And Webadict noticing that, in fact, he was a webadict.Webadict is coping with RL...he's taking a long leave from B12. :c
cookie... jar...Cookies! \o/
Still...never thought I'd see the day where I would see the old veterans return :D
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 10, 2014, 11:42:52 pm
One of the unfortunate things about joining the forum when I did is that many of the old guard faded from the forum just before or just after, and I never got to play with them...And Webadict noticing that, in fact, he was a webadict.Webadict is coping with RL...he's taking a long leave from B12. :c
Post by: CobaltKobold on May 10, 2014, 11:45:25 pm
*ahem*Vec finally got spoiled on the rules for IMBM(BMM). I keep looking in here every few months/at the rules, thinking "Hmm, I should get around to that" but Mafia's a pretty big time investment, even if I didn't log on.
Cobalt! :D
...Vector is in a cookie jar?
It's kind of amusing that I decide to post right after my thread about discussing rules variants got replaced, not that I mind.
So I'm "the great"? How's that?
edit: I presume both of you, 4maskwolf and Tiruin, are active mafia players now?
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 10, 2014, 11:49:48 pm
edit: I presume both of you, 4maskwolf and Tiruin, are active mafia players now?AYEP.
And a rising star, if I may say so myself :P.
Not really that good, but I try. And that is all one can ask for.
Post by: Tiruin on May 10, 2014, 11:58:29 pm
edit: I presume both of you, 4maskwolf and Tiruin, are active mafia players now?Yoop! :)
I aspire after Vector. :v
Post by: Jack A T on May 11, 2014, 12:01:23 am
I can't really say much about what's happened recently (I only just came back a couple months ago, after spending a bit over a year away).
I am familiar with 2011-2013, at least, as well as the most recent stuff. In no organized order: A great series of bastard mods (the Witches' Coven games) started. A bunch of players went through the board. Toaster started running Roguelike Mafia, which was fun. Some good games happened. Some bad games happened. We stopped playing Kingmaker, after the 4th game went horribly (and hilariously) wrong. A tool, the Lurker Tracker, was made to track posts and votes in games (it is awesome).
Mostly, we played Mafia.
Post by: CobaltKobold on May 11, 2014, 12:06:58 am
So, that's threeOh?
Post by: Jack A T on May 11, 2014, 12:13:44 am
You, Alexhans (though I admit that's stretching it, as he just popped up to say hi), and I (not quite as old, but pretty old at this point).So, that's threeOh?
EDIT: OOPS
Post by: CobaltKobold on May 11, 2014, 12:17:00 am
Right, that's two. Third? Besides, I, too, am probably just popping up to say hi, though you never know...You, Alexhans (though I admit that's stretching it, as he just popped up to say hi).So, that's threeOh?
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A great series of bastard mods (the Witches' Coven games)Reading, already.
Post by: Jack A T on May 11, 2014, 12:25:17 am
Right, that's two. Third?I fixed it just before you posted. How that error made it through, I do not know.
Besides, I, too, am probably just popping up to say hi, though you never know...Just remember, you're always welcome to play again. We always need more people to kill (both to do the act and be the targets of the act).
Post by: CobaltKobold on May 11, 2014, 12:26:18 am
Post by: Jack A T on May 11, 2014, 12:30:44 am
Thirdvote? Fabricating a bandwagon, you lying scum! Jack A TOh my god, CobaltKobold, you suck for voting for me.
Post by: CobaltKobold on May 11, 2014, 12:53:53 am
The problem of coming back to any forum is the pages of threads you once followed that now have some years of updates to check on...that the forum software may forget as soon as you log out, as your new "visit" is newer than they.
Post by: Toaster on May 11, 2014, 08:22:11 am
Mostly, we played Mafia.
Nah uh.
Post by: darkpaladin109 on May 12, 2014, 07:10:55 am
I had actually, despite my arguments for his actions suggesting scumminess, not believed that darkpaladin was mafia. However, he's been decidedly absent lately. Any explanation for this, darkpaladin?I was fricking at bed and my connection got cut last night.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 19, 2014, 02:44:14 pm
Post by: Scripten on May 19, 2014, 03:37:01 pm
Posting here since it doesn't seem apropriate to post in the thread now that I'm dead.I had actually, despite my arguments for his actions suggesting scumminess, not believed that darkpaladin was mafia. However, he's been decidedly absent lately. Any explanation for this, darkpaladin?I was fricking at bed and my connection got cut last night.
None of us knew that. We only have what gets posted in the topic to go on. You were gone for an entire day during a sprint game, so I tried to get your attention. With no other evidence for scum, you looked like the best choice. The other option was a no-lynch vote, which is pretty much agreed to always be bad. We just had poor luck that game.
Post by: Jack A T on May 19, 2014, 03:40:18 pm
Post by: Vector on May 19, 2014, 04:01:24 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on May 20, 2014, 01:38:24 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 20, 2014, 03:46:09 am
I can now put to use this medieval quotes book. Mwahaha!
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 21, 2014, 09:31:17 pm
I posted something to this effect on the Prince of the Mafia section, but due to unfortunate life things I am having to take an indefinite hiatus from playing mafia. My apologies to all of those whose games I was forced to leave because of this. I may be able to come back for a game or two during the summer (fingers crossed), but consider this my resignation from playing.
It was fun while it lasted, and I will miss all of you. If anyone feels like running The Home Front, pm me and I can give you a link to the google document I set up for it.
Adios.
Post by: Persus13 on May 21, 2014, 09:52:12 pm
Can you edit the Prince of the Mafia title so it just says Prince of the Mafia and without the Round 4 D5 stuff?
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 21, 2014, 10:01:50 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 22, 2014, 06:27:48 am
Possibly-relatedly, why's it so quiet on the forum this week? Do the kids have exams again?
Post by: Tiruin on May 22, 2014, 06:33:59 am
*hmmhmmhm* :))
...Well my exams and finals are over. Just destressing and/or making up for the lack of [tons of] sleep.
Post by: notquitethere on May 22, 2014, 06:38:56 am
Post by: ToonyMan on May 22, 2014, 12:18:52 pm
All of my classes are math and engineering related so I can't help you with creative writing (or technical lab briefs for that matter...).
From my experience:
1. Don't cram or do any stupid shit like stay up all night trying to "study". If you don't get the material in at most two hours then try again another day, obviously this means you should practice the material long before any exams are actually happening.
2. Get really good at memorizing. Even if you don't fully understand the concept, if you can remember the procedure to solve a problem, just do it. If you're using units, make sure to rewrite the units each time because it helps to keep things straight.
3. The average course has anywhere between three to five exams, professors usually drop your lowest exam, if the class is difficult it's very possible you can still get an A even if you get 70s and 80s on the exams.
4. The final exam is what they want to see the most improvement on. If your final exam grade is high, then you can expect your final grade to be pretty high as well if they see you're doing all the assignments.
Let me list exam grades for some of my classes with my overall grade; I'll list them from easiest courses to hardest courses. I don't know my final exams scores for some classes, so I'll place a ?? there instead. I also can't remember the scores I got on some classes like Calculus I and II so they aren't there.
Probability : A- (thanks mafia)
75 90 95
Linear Algebra : B+
85 92 ??
Differential Equations : B+
80 94 89
Chemistry I : A
92 95 99 ??
Physics I : A-
78 90 ??
Physics II : A-
89 84 ??
Calculus III : A
64 85 92
Digital Logic : A-
74 75 78 85 ??
Electrical Circuits : A
100 78 75 99 81
Case in point, even if you get pretty decent marks in easier classes, because the exam averages are so high you may not be guaranteed that A.
Post by: webadict on May 22, 2014, 10:37:52 pm
You don't need to play with us. We were far more foolish and inexperienced. I mean, I'm actually really surprised how well everyone evolved to play with me. I was the one that was beginning to get outmatched in games, instead of the other way around. I bet if we played a game of mafia, I'd probably lose.One of the unfortunate things about joining the forum when I did is that many of the old guard faded from the forum just before or just after, and I never got to play with them...And Webadict noticing that, in fact, he was a webadict.Webadict is coping with RL...he's taking a long leave from B12. :c
Of course, I'd also be scum, so there's that.
Post by: Jack A T on May 22, 2014, 10:51:27 pm
...
To put it in a less all-caps way, great to see you back Webadict (even if only for a short visit)
Post by: webadict on May 22, 2014, 10:57:15 pm
IT'S WUBA YAYI figured I'd say hi and all that. I'd certainly LIKE to play/host a game, but I know that would be a bad idea.
...
To put it in a less all-caps way, great to see you back Webadict (even if only for a short visit)
You all seem to be doing well. How're the games? Anyone match BYOR's let's-just-give-the-exterminator-everything level of unbalanced?
Post by: Jack A T on May 22, 2014, 11:05:23 pm
You all seem to be doing well. How're the games? Anyone match BYOR's let's-just-give-the-exterminator-everything level of unbalanced?I only recently returned, so I've missed a lot.
Choose-Your-Own-Mafia was a fun game, though it degraded a bit near the end (we knew all the scum's identities and were just figuring out the order of lynches by that point).
Highly experimental games seem to be popular right now, considering how the Mafia Setup Discussion and Review thread getting new ideas posted quite often.
Unbalanced...well, there was One Day Mafia, which was a different sort of unbalanced game (1 lynch. 4 choices. 1 day. Scum wins ties in votes.).
EDIT: Also, someone decided that everyone having daykills in KOTM 4 would be a good idea.
Post by: webadict on May 22, 2014, 11:16:51 pm
Daykills? Nah, that's not what you do. If you have daykills, you starts having Mirrors. And Nexi. And basically everything I can think of.You all seem to be doing well. How're the games? Anyone match BYOR's let's-just-give-the-exterminator-everything level of unbalanced?I only recently returned, so I've missed a lot.
Choose-Your-Own-Mafia was a fun game, though it degraded a bit near the end (we knew all the scum's identities and were just figuring out the order of lynches by that point).
Highly experimental games seem to be popular right now, considering how the Mafia Setup Discussion and Review thread getting new ideas posted quite often.
Unbalanced...well, there was One Day Mafia, which was a different sort of unbalanced game (1 lynch. 4 choices. 1 day. Scum wins ties in votes.).
EDIT: Also, someone decided that everyone having daykills in KOTM 4 would be a good idea.
Post by: flabort on May 22, 2014, 11:28:58 pm
Can't say more because it's in progress still.
Post by: Solymr on May 23, 2014, 05:40:52 am
Post by: Toaster on May 23, 2014, 08:48:03 am
Daykills? Nah, that's not what you do. If you have daykills, you starts having Mirrors. And Nexi. And basically everything I can think of.
More like someone daykilled the Network Robot.
And then I just waited until the town all shot each other, then shot the last survivor to claim the crown. Still smells like penguin.
Post by: Solymr on May 23, 2014, 09:14:28 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 23, 2014, 09:15:49 am
You have no idea how close you were to sucking a nightkill from me.Daykills? Nah, that's not what you do. If you have daykills, you starts having Mirrors. And Nexi. And basically everything I can think of.
More like someone daykilled the Network Robot.
And then I just waited until the town all shot each other, then shot the last survivor to claim the crown. Still smells like penguin.
*retreats back into a corner*
Post by: webadict on May 23, 2014, 06:12:21 pm
And who balanced that? Always account for every interaction when making the roles. That's why you end up with Targeted Network Robot One-Shot Cop, where you only get your Network Robot powers to function on the player you inspect, while you're inspecting.Daykills? Nah, that's not what you do. If you have daykills, you starts having Mirrors. And Nexi. And basically everything I can think of.
More like someone daykilled the Network Robot.
And then I just waited until the town all shot each other, then shot the last survivor to claim the crown. Still smells like penguin.
Post by: Persus13 on May 23, 2014, 06:51:21 pm
Post by: flabort on May 23, 2014, 10:56:55 pm
Both with my current game, and for any future games where a replace situation goes on too long.
Post by: webadict on May 24, 2014, 12:59:50 am
How would you make your roles?I had a list of every single role that existed in Xylbot's Mafia. I look at all the roles that are in the current round. I randomize the KING MAFIA. I look at the current balance, and then I'll decide to add an additional role power or role addition if I feel that role is too weak (or too strong). I keep adding powers until I'm satisfied. Usually, people get at least two role powers/additions. Sometimes three. I've had four before, but those are extreme circumstances.
As for additions, those come to redirect power away from how a role works. So, Paranoid Gun Owner (which is a stupid role) would start off with One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner, who shoots a player if they target them, once per game. Then I decide it's still too powerful, so I go Confused One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner, who shoots a random player (including themselves) if someone targets them, once per game.
Essentially, it's like making a game of BYOR but with half the role already created.
How is the best way to get someone to replace in a game?Send them the player's actions, messages, and role. Then announce said replacement in thread.
Both with my current game, and for any future games where a replace situation goes on too long.
Post by: flabort on May 24, 2014, 01:09:45 am
How to find a player itself. My replacee has gone three phases without a replacer to take his place, I need to find someone to be the replacer.
Post by: webadict on May 24, 2014, 11:27:10 am
No, not what to send a player and announce it :P I've already done that once this game.Modkill. Typically, replacements are hard to come by. I found it was just easier to modkill anyone that needs a replacement.
How to find a player itself. My replacee has gone three phases without a replacer to take his place, I need to find someone to be the replacer.
Post by: Teneb on May 26, 2014, 06:52:59 pm
Hopefuly this time I'll give this game the dedication it deserves.
Post by: CobaltKobold on May 27, 2014, 06:37:06 pm
How to find a player itself. My replacee has gone three phases without a replacer to take his place, I need to find someone to be the replacer.We had a replacements needed/openings thread at one point, possibly in the parent forum.
One of the unfortunate things about joining the forum when I did is that many of the old guard faded from the forum just before or just after, and I never got to play with them...Org's still here. :P (Remember the PWV play?...which game was that, again?)
So, if we could have an all-star Mafia game*, who would be in what positions? Webadict as scum, Pandarsenic as SK, Toony as Jester...
* (yes,I know, obviously cannot as it provides too much meta-information in the selection process)
Post by: Vector on May 27, 2014, 07:04:14 pm
Post by: Graknorke on May 27, 2014, 07:20:01 pm
I only ever played that one BM game that I did (45 I think. The terminator one). While it was enjoyable, it was also a lot more intense and consuming even during times when I wasn't on the forums than I think is a good idea to be doing when I have other things that need to be done.
So I don't think I will be touching Mafia again for a while.
Thinly veiled PTW
Post by: Persus13 on June 02, 2014, 07:28:18 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 04, 2014, 02:04:40 pm
Post by: Toaster on June 04, 2014, 03:43:05 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 09, 2014, 05:04:31 am
Basically how it will work is that the AI town players will have hidden criteria for judging another players suspicious, and the scum players will have criteria for judging players as dangerous. They'll also have a logic for judging the believability of any role-claim. At least, that's the plan unless I find it too difficult to implement. Each turn in the game, players (PC and the NPC) can vote another player, make a claim, use a power, buy-sell powers, or just chat to one another (learning vague flavour hints relating to AI play-styles). Maybe there'll be other features (I'll be building this iteratively).
So here are some possible playstyles I can think of to get us started:
Hyper-Tunneler: they pick one target at the beginning of the game and try to get them killed before moving on to the next target.
Flailing Newb: Will only place OMGUS votes, will use role powers at random.
Detective: Will try to logically deduce role powers
Flawed Detective: Will try to logically deduce role powers but makes frequent errors
Sheep: Will more or less arbitrarily choose someone to trust at the beginning and then follow their judgements throughout the game
Post by: Persus13 on June 09, 2014, 07:42:00 am
Attacker Attacker: Goes after people who go on the offensive with weak cases. Will often use powers to check out the "considered town" players.
Daredevil: Does something that looks scummy to provoke scum into attacking him.
Lurker: Will rarely post unless a certain number of votes has been given to them. Will use role powers, but will not have the most up to date information.
Post by: TheDarkStar on June 09, 2014, 01:42:03 pm
Scum attacker: Will try to get players mislynched.
Scum detective: Tries to guess power roles and then kill them.
Scum lurker: Picks people at random to kill and barely says anything.
Post by: Jack A T on June 09, 2014, 02:04:07 pm
Survivalist: Plays in a style similar to as many fellow players as possible, to blend in. Uses powers primarily to defend self.
Day 1 Hater: Will do as little as possible Day 1. A second playstyle will apply Days 2 and on.
Newbie, Still Learning Scumtells: Will play according to another playstyle, but search only for scumtells from the BM list. Given reasons for attacks will consist of the target having done scumtells (with the names of the scumtells given), which makes them scum.
Puzzle Solver: Will focus on trying to get as much role and power information as possible from the other players, and determining the scum from that. Uses powers primarily to gain more information.
Non-Questioner: Will answer questions, but quite rarely ask them.
Post by: flabort on June 09, 2014, 05:28:36 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on June 09, 2014, 08:37:58 pm
Post by: Persus13 on June 09, 2014, 08:40:24 pm
Post by: Jack A T on June 09, 2014, 09:02:56 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on June 09, 2014, 09:08:13 pm
Defender of Others: Defends anyone in detail, but does not attack.
Post by: Toaster on June 10, 2014, 09:09:33 am
Post by: Persus13 on June 10, 2014, 02:15:40 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on June 10, 2014, 03:00:47 pm
Post by: Graknorke on June 10, 2014, 03:10:52 pm
Org: Plays like Org.I shudder to imagine it.
Post by: Persus13 on June 10, 2014, 03:18:57 pm
I'm curious, does anyone here get the reference I'm making in the Day 1 Title for Supernatural 7? It has nothing to do with the game, other than the number of players in the game.GoT?
Post by: Mephansteras on June 10, 2014, 03:21:00 pm
I'm curious, does anyone here get the reference I'm making in the Day 1 Title for Supernatural 7? It has nothing to do with the game, other than the number of players in the game.GoT?
Nope.
Post by: notquitethere on June 10, 2014, 04:24:57 pm
I'm curious, does anyone here get the reference I'm making in the Day 1 Title for Supernatural 7? It has nothing to do with the game, other than the number of players in the game.Probably Illuminati, maybe Skaven.
Post by: Mephansteras on June 10, 2014, 04:29:20 pm
I'm curious, does anyone here get the reference I'm making in the Day 1 Title for Supernatural 7? It has nothing to do with the game, other than the number of players in the game.Probably Illuminati, maybe Skaven.
Also not correct.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 10, 2014, 05:40:35 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 11, 2014, 03:15:51 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 11, 2014, 09:44:42 am
Post by: Mephansteras on June 11, 2014, 10:12:01 am
Not a reference to this chapter heading by Vector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4953796#msg4953796)?
Actually, no. Although I'm amused we've both used it, even if Vector probably isn't referencing the same thing as I am.
Post by: Persus13 on June 11, 2014, 10:48:13 am
Post by: Vector on June 11, 2014, 01:43:48 pm
Post by: webadict on June 11, 2014, 05:59:45 pm
Townhunter: Instead of seeking to find scum, identifies townies and eliminates them from suspicion.That sounds like me.
Post by: notquitethere on June 11, 2014, 06:26:29 pm
Post by: flabort on June 11, 2014, 06:37:20 pm
Is the problem in the lynch code or the hammer code?
Post by: notquitethere on June 11, 2014, 06:40:51 pm
When I get something half way playable I'm going to call on you guys for some beta testing.
Post by: webadict on June 11, 2014, 06:41:36 pm
Uh, I think it was calling for the person whose actions were last checked to be lynched rather than the person who has the most votes. Should be an easy fix.Whatcha programming in?
When I get something half way playable I'm going to call on you guys for some beta testing.
Post by: notquitethere on June 11, 2014, 06:43:55 pm
Post by: webadict on June 11, 2014, 08:35:57 pm
It's text based and going to run in a browser so I get to program it in the only language I know... Inform 7.Oh dear god.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 12, 2014, 03:08:54 pm
Erm... I feel like I'm missing something here... I'm a computer science guy and I don't know what that means...It's text based and going to run in a browser so I get to program it in the only language I know... Inform 7.Oh dear god.
Post by: Shakerag on June 12, 2014, 04:20:51 pm
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inform_7#Inform_7)Erm... I feel like I'm missing something here... I'm a computer science guy and I don't know what that means...It's text based and going to run in a browser so I get to program it in the only language I know... Inform 7.Oh dear god.
Oh holy shit. I just started reading about it and it's COBOL. D:
Post by: mastahcheese on June 12, 2014, 05:19:02 pm
Spoiler: Current Suggested Playstyles (click to show/hide)
I'm fairly sure I fall under Hyper-Tunneler.
Post by: notquitethere on June 12, 2014, 08:13:49 pm
Oh holy shit. I just started reading about it and it's COBOL. D:Well, I wouldn't say that exactly. It's very well suited to making text adventures, and you end up with code that, if well written, is made up of grammatically well formed English sentences.
Cheese, thanks for collating the list, that's actually quite helpful.
Post by: Shakerag on June 13, 2014, 09:08:33 am
Post by: Toaster on June 13, 2014, 10:45:05 am
Now I'm trying to think on how to code this thing in z/OS assembler. -_-
Just punching yourself in the face repeatedly would be equally painful and less time consuming.
Post by: Shakerag on June 13, 2014, 10:55:31 am
Again, I like programming in assembler. Alas, I need to go back to playing with datasets on tape drives and catalog management for now.Now I'm trying to think on how to code this thing in z/OS assembler. -_-
Just punching yourself in the face repeatedly would be equally painful and less time consuming.
Post by: Toaster on June 13, 2014, 12:46:56 pm
Again, I like programming in assembler.
I'm sure you can find some anti-psychotics to help with that.
Post by: Shakerag on June 13, 2014, 01:39:54 pm
Take your high-level programming languages and get off my lawn already.Again, I like programming in assembler.
I'm sure you can find some anti-psychotics to help with that.
Post by: Mephansteras on June 17, 2014, 01:15:53 pm
Post by: Silthuri on June 17, 2014, 05:41:12 pm
We need a replacement for Tiruin in Supernatural 7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=139118.0) if anyone is free. We're just wrapping up Day 1 today, so it's not too far in yet.I'll willing to replace in.
Post by: Tiruin on June 17, 2014, 06:04:55 pm
Thank. You. :'(We need a replacement for Tiruin in Supernatural 7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=139118.0) if anyone is free. We're just wrapping up Day 1 today, so it's not too far in yet.I'll willing to replace in.
Post by: Mephansteras on June 17, 2014, 06:43:39 pm
We need a replacement for Tiruin in Supernatural 7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=139118.0) if anyone is free. We're just wrapping up Day 1 today, so it's not too far in yet.I'll willing to replace in.
Hmm. Haspen PM'd me just a bit ago and I gave it to him. Sorry. But I appreciate the offer. If you'd like, I can put you into the Replacement Queue in case someone else need to be replaced.
Post by: Tiruin on June 17, 2014, 07:10:49 pm
Hapah =/= Haspen :PWe need a replacement for Tiruin in Supernatural 7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=139118.0) if anyone is free. We're just wrapping up Day 1 today, so it's not too far in yet.I'll willing to replace in.
Hmm. Haspen PM'd me just a bit ago and I gave it to him. Sorry. But I appreciate the offer. If you'd like, I can put you into the Replacement Queue in case someone else need to be replaced.
Thanks though o_o
Post by: Mephansteras on June 17, 2014, 07:20:32 pm
Hapah =/= Haspen :PWe need a replacement for Tiruin in Supernatural 7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=139118.0) if anyone is free. We're just wrapping up Day 1 today, so it's not too far in yet.I'll willing to replace in.
Hmm. Haspen PM'd me just a bit ago and I gave it to him. Sorry. But I appreciate the offer. If you'd like, I can put you into the Replacement Queue in case someone else need to be replaced.
Thanks though o_o
You are quite correct. My apologies, Hapah, I mistyped.
Post by: Silthuri on June 18, 2014, 12:01:23 am
I'm cool with that. Replacements seem to be in a rather high demand lately.We need a replacement for Tiruin in Supernatural 7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=139118.0) if anyone is free. We're just wrapping up Day 1 today, so it's not too far in yet.I'll willing to replace in.
Hmm. Haspen PM'd me just a bit ago and I gave it to him. Sorry. But I appreciate the offer. If you'd like, I can put you into the Replacement Queue in case someone else need to be replaced.
Post by: Toaster on June 21, 2014, 08:27:54 pm
Bit of a crosspost, but it's relevant to our interests.
Post by: webadict on June 21, 2014, 11:41:16 pm
It's called Make a BYOR Role.
You give me a role, and I'll make you a BYOR Role. Because I'm bored.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 21, 2014, 11:51:22 pm
Let's play a game:Hmm...
It's called Make a BYOR Role.
You give me a role, and I'll make you a BYOR Role. Because I'm bored.
4maskwolf the mafia player.
Post by: flabort on June 22, 2014, 12:00:43 am
Post by: Jack A T on June 22, 2014, 12:12:40 am
Post by: webadict on June 22, 2014, 11:08:50 am
... I have been in like 1-2 games you have been in, so I have no idea what style you use, so you're getting a name-based role.Let's play a game:Hmm...
It's called Make a BYOR Role.
You give me a role, and I'll make you a BYOR Role. Because I'm bored.
4maskwolf the mafia player.
4maskwolf the mafia player
Mafia
(Day) Prepare: You can choose the four masks you will use during the following Night if you use 4-Mask Task.
(Mafiakill) 4-Mask Task [target (x4)]: Your collection of masks is unparalleled, but, as logic would confirm, the more masks you own, the more cursed and magical masks you own. You can distribute 4 of these masks each Night, randomly, to 4 targets, also randomly. Temporarily, of course. You can't just give out masks willy nilly. You're not MADE of masks!
(1-Shot, Night) Super Glue [target]: You super glue a mask onto a person. You can no longer use that mask, but the masks power lasts for 3 Cycles.
Masks:
Red: The wearer of this mask is blinded, and targets randomly because it has no eye holes.
Orange: The wearer of this mask is delayed a Night. You're not sure why.
Yellow: The wearer of this mask cannot kill a player. Because it's a smiley face!
Green: The wearer of this mask is tracked during the Night. The mask isn't actually cursed. It just has a GPS in it.
Blue: The wearer of this mask performs a protection action instead of any of their chosen actions. Blue is just such a safe color!
Violet: The wearer of this mask is blocked. I mean, you can't just let a violet person walk around. They might hurt someone.
Wolf: The wearer of this mask is killed. Because it's not actually a mask. It's a wolf.
The Lego SCPI'm assuming SCP-387 (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-387) is what you're referencing, but I'm not sure. If I'm wrong, you should've provided a link.
SCP-387
Town
(Auto) Replicate: If you are not killed for one Cycle, you Revive.
(Auto) Build: Whenever you are targeted by a non-kill action, you learn that action. If you are not targeted by this action for one Cycle, you become immune to this action.
The Honorable Arthur Porter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Porter_%28physician%29), member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada and former head of the Security Intelligence Review Committee. Currently awaiting trial for an assortment of fraud-type charges related to improper handling of a $1.3 billion construction project.Man, your choices are always hard. I'll try in a bit.
Post by: flabort on June 22, 2014, 11:23:15 am
Sweet, reusable revive and ability to learn new actions. That's... pretty powerfully awesome. I kind of wish that I could now use this in a real mafia game...
I was going to suggest next The Role that is Everyone Else's Role, but the one you made for my Lego SCP is pretty much that. :D
Post by: darkpaladin109 on June 22, 2014, 11:30:31 am
Cacame Awemedinade
Post by: notquitethere on June 22, 2014, 11:32:03 am
Post by: Vector on June 22, 2014, 12:46:20 pm
Post by: Persus13 on June 22, 2014, 12:51:09 pm
Post by: webadict on June 22, 2014, 04:16:06 pm
Alright, let's see what I can do...The Honorable Arthur Porter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Porter_%28physician%29), member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada and former head of the Security Intelligence Review Committee. Currently awaiting trial for an assortment of fraud-type charges related to improper handling of a $1.3 billion construction project.Man, your choices are always hard. I'll try in a bit.
The Honorable Arthur Porter
Survivor
(Auto) Fraud: You have no real actions. However, you may use the following actions. Using them is, of course, strictly against the rules, but as long as no one knows your role...
(Auto) Diplomatic Immunity?: You revive on death until someone knows your role.
Track
Watch
Block
Inspect
Protect
Redirect
Yeah, that's the one, I couldn't remember it's number.This would be a Shakerag role. This is how I deal with Shakerag roles.
Sweet, reusable revive and ability to learn new actions. That's... pretty powerfully awesome. I kind of wish that I could now use this in a real mafia game...
I was going to suggest next The Role that is Everyone Else's Role, but the one you made for my Lego SCP is pretty much that. :D
The Role that is Everyone Else's Role
Town
(Auto) Everyone Else's Role: You do not control your Night actions. Each Day, your available Night actions are listed for the whole Town. Players vote on the actions and targets to use these actions on secretly. The vote results are listed at the end of the Day.
(Night) Inspect [target]: You inspect the target, learning the target's alignment and one of their abilities.
(Night) Absorb [target]: You absorb one of the abilities from the target for one Cycle, disabling the ability from the target for one Cycle.
(1-Shot, Day) Flip: You now have limited control over all other players. Choose the action and target for all other players. If that action exists, that player's action and target are changed to your choices.
Hmmm......Bah. Bookmarking for later.
Cacame Awemedinade
Post by: Shakerag on June 23, 2014, 09:45:06 am
This was a strong contender for my next BYOR role.
Post by: Toaster on June 23, 2014, 09:49:58 am
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2014, 05:36:29 pm
The BYOR role that is an active detriment to the alignment (min. 2 other players) I'm a part ofToaster, penalize Shakerag no matter what role he submits in KotM5.
This was a strong contender for my next BYOR role.
Post by: Jack A T on June 23, 2014, 05:40:40 pm
Post by: webadict on June 23, 2014, 07:38:18 pm
Hmmm......This one's tough. Elven King of the Dwarves, eh? Well, you know he's too dwarvenly for the rest of the Town.
Cacame Awemedinade
Cacame Awemedinade
SK
(Auto) The Glorious Elven King of the Dwarves: On alignment inspections, you appear as the Ally of the alignment of the player that inspected you. You also learn who inspected you.
(Night) Awemedinite Warhammer [target]: Choose two of the following: Kill the target; Block the target; Remove an ability of the target; Remove the target's vote permanently.
(1-Shot) Colossus of Cacame [target (x1-99)]: Choose any number of targets. If these targets are not the same alignment, this ability does nothing and is used up. Steal any unused revive abilities that belong to these targets, THEN kill all chosen targets. You learn which alignment all of these players were if they flip differently from what they are.
And that might not even be strong enough.
Dog vomit slime mold (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuligo_septica) roleHmm... I'll skip this for now. I can't think of anything fun just yet.
One Of Those Games Vector RunsOne of those Games Vector Runs
Town
(Auto) The Lonely Princess: "Do I have to wear this?" She asked, lifting the skirt. Her composure almost made the question redundant. "It's horrid."
The maid gave her a look of disapproval, and a barely audible "tut tut." The maid knew how much she hated that. And she knew the maid knew.
"Today is an important day, and your mother and I think that it very much suits you."
She rolled her eyes. "I think it looks horrid," she muttered. She much preferred showing off the bulletproof vest she hid beneath the outfit.
You cannot be killed by actions. You cannot use kill actions nor vote, as these are unprincess-like.
(Night) The Iron Diadem: "You what?!" the man asked, not so much because he hadn't heard, but to make sure his ears were not spontaneously failing him.
"I am commandeering this establishment."
"Is that even possible?"
The woman shoved him aside. What is with these peasants and their incessant questioning of her actions? If she said it was possible, then it was. End of story. What part of that had been so hard for this man?
"Look," the man started, "I really need to opening the polling station so--" He noticed the distant look in her face and correctly realized she wasn't hearing anything he said.
He pulled out his cellphone while she proceeded to lock the doors behind her.
"911? I'm having an issue..."
You become Queen for a Day. Only you can vote.
(1-Shot, Night) Ex Cathedra: 'The night is bitter cold. We have battled hard... So why now?' he thought, staring at the door, frozen shut. His anger visibly etched itself onto his face. His hands curled into fists, and he slammed them. 'Goddammit,' he thought.
'God? No,' came a voice in his head, startling him. 'God did not do this.'
'Who are you?' He looked around, questioning who could hear his thoughts and why he'd be able to see them now.
But he did. He saw her face. He opened his mouth to ask something, but she cut him off with a laugh. The most horrible, everlasting laugh he had ever heard.
All non-aligned players are blocked.
Post by: Tiruin on June 23, 2014, 07:49:09 pm
Tiruin's Mafia GM Profile.
I wonder how webadict sees the games I've run o-o
Post by: Shakerag on June 24, 2014, 10:31:14 am
I'm not sure that would be enough to stop him, Toony. He did manage to stay alive for a whileThat was hilarious.as anEDIT: after submitting Unlynchable in KOTM4, after all.
Possibly my second favorite mafia moment after using the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air intro in a post.
Post by: Solymr on June 24, 2014, 10:49:03 am
NOW THIS IS THE STORY ALL ABOUT HOW
MY ROLE GOT FLIPPED TURNED UPSIDE DOWN
AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE JUST SIT RIGHT HERE
I'LL TELL YOU HOW I BECAME THE PRINCE OF A GAME CALLED MAFIA
Post by: Nerjin on June 24, 2014, 11:44:01 am
Post by: Shakerag on June 24, 2014, 11:59:00 am
You mean this?No, I meant this actually (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=99587.msg2950323#msg2950323). And, in fact, that whole game is comedy gold.NOW THIS IS THE STORY ALL ABOUT HOW
MY ROLE GOT FLIPPED TURNED UPSIDE DOWN
AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE JUST SIT RIGHT HERE
I'LL TELL YOU HOW I BECAME THE PRINCE OF A GAME CALLED MAFIA
Although, when trying to find that, I did find something that made me even happier (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119041.msg3941297#msg3941297).
Post by: mastahcheese on June 24, 2014, 12:29:00 pm
Post by: webadict on June 24, 2014, 06:43:28 pm
Dog vomit slime mold (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuligo_septica) roleAlright, let's play with this one a bit. Probably make it strong anti-killing role.
Fuligo Septica
Town
(Auto) Metal Resistance: Any player that attempts to use a kill action on you can no longer use kill actions for the rest of the game.
(Night) Mold Covering [target]: The target is protected during the Night. If your target is the target of a kill action, that action is disabled for one Cycle.
(Day) Spore Spreader [target]: If this action does not fail, you die. Your target becomes a copy of your role.
GreatWyrmGold roleHold on, I'll get back to you. I have a Shakerag to deal with.
The BYOR role that is an active detriment to the alignment (min. 2 other players) I'm a part ofThe BYOR role that is an active detriment to the alignment (min. 2 other players) I'm a part of
This was a strong contender for my next BYOR role.
Town
(Auto) Active Detriment: While you are alive, your aligned team cannot win, and all non-aligned teams cannot lose.
(Night) Switcharoo: Choose an alignment. You now act as a part of that team without any additional group abilities.
More shall come later. Probably tomorrow.
Post by: flabort on June 24, 2014, 07:08:17 pm
1) Rogue of Time (Homestuck Mythological role)
2) Homer Simpson
3) The role that everyone wants to kill but can't
4) Echidna as she appears in Homestuck
5) Webadict the GM
6) Webadict the Player
7) Jack Russel Terrier
8) Durian Wine
9) The role that controls the other team
And, I'm working on my spread sheet, Scumometer 2.0. I need to figure out how the forum exports XML, and figure out how to use the IMPORTXML(<address>,<xpathquery>) command in Google Sheets. The goal of this is to have the sheet take a URL in the top header, take a post number, and find the time of that post to fill it in automatically.
Post by: darkpaladin109 on June 24, 2014, 07:15:39 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 24, 2014, 07:40:17 pm
8) Durian Wine...
...
I seriously can't change the idea that you're speaking of the fruit-made-into-wine here. xD
Post by: flabort on June 24, 2014, 07:48:54 pm
Yeah, I'm talking about fruit-wine.
Post by: webadict on June 24, 2014, 07:51:19 pm
Post by: flabort on June 24, 2014, 07:53:01 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 24, 2014, 07:58:42 pm
...can't CHANGE the idea? What do you mean?*high-five* :D
Yeah, I'm talking about fruit-wine.
I'll just bring the nose clip -_-
Does everyone just want a role of themselves? Don't we have a game that incorporates that?Erh? I want a role of my Mafia profile o-o How do you see me as a Mafia GM Writer? Something like that.
...
We have Mafia games along 'play yourself as a role'?
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 24, 2014, 08:13:11 pm
Sommat like Bay12 mafia, maybe?...can't CHANGE the idea? What do you mean?*high-five* :D
Yeah, I'm talking about fruit-wine.
I'll just bring the nose clip -_-Does everyone just want a role of themselves? Don't we have a game that incorporates that?Erh? I want a role of my Mafia profile o-o How do you see me as a Mafia GM Writer? Something like that.
...
We have Mafia games along 'play yourself as a role'?
I actually had something where people played members of the mafia community I knew on tab for sometime in the future.
Post by: flabort on June 24, 2014, 08:16:49 pm
Post by: darkpaladin109 on June 25, 2014, 06:35:48 am
Does everyone just want a role of themselves?No, not really.
Post by: Mephansteras on June 25, 2014, 09:31:43 am
Does everyone just want a role of themselves? Don't we have a game that incorporates that?
We did have a game like that once. It was quite a while ago, though.
Post by: notquitethere on June 25, 2014, 09:34:05 am
Does everyone just want a role of themselves? Don't we have a game that incorporates that?I would play this game.
Post by: Jack A T on June 25, 2014, 09:41:13 am
Post by: notquitethere on June 25, 2014, 03:52:41 pm
Hey Wolf, what's your new job?
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 25, 2014, 03:53:27 pm
Bay 12 Mafia but where everyone plays roles based on themselves?I'm an intern, really, programming android apps.
Hey Wolf, what's your new job?
Post by: notquitethere on June 25, 2014, 04:00:30 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 25, 2014, 04:10:41 pm
Slave labour, huh. Is this while you're studying? How are you finding it so far?Slave labor is about right :P
It's not too bad, actually.
Post by: mastahcheese on June 26, 2014, 01:43:35 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 26, 2014, 04:23:39 pm
I work at a fast food place, what's my role?Your name is short for mastahcheeseburger, right?
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 26, 2014, 09:43:13 pm
Is it not possible to have a mafia game without insults, without anger at another player? Or is that an integral part of how mafia functions?
Discuss.
Post by: Nerjin on June 26, 2014, 09:46:05 pm
Spoiler: Also... (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vector on June 26, 2014, 09:47:26 pm
Post by: flabort on June 26, 2014, 09:50:34 pm
The game is designed around the concept of conflict. And the secondary concept of paranoia.
So of course people are going to get upset. But they can exercise self control and not insult each other. At least, not directly; implying that they don't have self control, for example, is fair game. :P *troll face* :P
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 26, 2014, 09:50:57 pm
Post by: Nerjin on June 26, 2014, 09:53:09 pm
I've pretty much forgotten all the insults anyone has leveled at me in-game.
I guess it's up to the individuals to decide how much of a jerk you can be before it becomes detrimental.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 26, 2014, 09:55:09 pm
If I'm completely honest with myself, I still resent Jim a little bit for explicitly stating he was not going to talk to me back in CYOM just because he didn't agree with me (sorry Jim).
I don't even remember what you're talking about.
I suppose I have the right avatar for this:
For you, the day Jim Groovester told you he was not going to talk to you was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhOUyy4wbs)
Post by: Jack A T on June 26, 2014, 10:05:38 pm
Pure insults can be avoided. There is no use in calling people names not related to scumhood or actual qualities of their play (and nobody but Dariush needs to be called Dariush), for instance. However, strongly game-related jabs are going to pop up.
Anger is hard to avoid, because people get rather emotionally invested in these games and don't like it when, say, other people try to kick them out of the game for little reason. However, we can try to stay calmish. We won't always succeed, though, and sometimes we'll even want to look angry.
Aggression isn't going to be avoided, because it's too useful.
Post by: Cheeetar on June 26, 2014, 10:06:47 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 26, 2014, 10:08:12 pm
Can someone explain how insults are useful to the gameplay?
Post by: Cheeetar on June 26, 2014, 10:11:12 pm
I think there is a difference between calling someone a scumbiscuit and calling someone an idiot. One is a joking term I made up to indicate I suspect you, the other is a pure insult.
Can someone explain how insults are useful to the gameplay?
It's emotional language. Let's say you know somebody takes insults personally- call him stupid for making a certain vote and he might change his vote. Call him an idiot who shouldn't be playing the game might be even more effective, especially if you're speaking from a 'position of authority' within the community.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 26, 2014, 10:14:46 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on June 26, 2014, 10:17:00 pm
Post by: Jack A T on June 26, 2014, 10:23:34 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 26, 2014, 10:24:21 pm
I wouldn't say it's particularly because of the atmosphere- as much as I personally don't like insults as gameplay, I don't think it's particularly detrimental to anything but my sensitive, fragile human emotions.I would disagree with this, actually. Even in my short time here, I have heard a lot of new players complaining about this, particularly if they come in during a non-BM game. A lot of them get frustrated with having their every move perceived as "bad" or "wrong" and being vocally told they are doing it wrong, to the point that I make a point of never lynching someone who is on their first game, because I know how frustrating it is. The only reason I tried again was because I was encouraged by the other players of the game, and the only reason I keep playing now is because GBU was glorious and I pulled the wool over everyone's eyes (except Caz). But I think that the number of players we loose because of the hostile atmosphere is considerable.
Post by: Cheeetar on June 26, 2014, 10:26:57 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 26, 2014, 10:30:19 pm
Does anyone know why Org left?
Also, yes, jack, that's what people say? But nobody is going to say that it's because they are sick of being insulted, because then people will need at them and call them thin-skinned for not wanting to be insulted.
Post by: Nerjin on June 26, 2014, 10:35:09 pm
Off the top of my head, GWG, though he was a major contributed to that.
Wyrm left because he wanted to pick fights about the rules. Last I saw he didn't even start playing.
That being said, you don't seem to have any evidence for your position. Therefore 4mask's theory. But, joking aside, I suppose we could be kinder but I don't see any reason to. Usually we keep it confined pretty well.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 26, 2014, 10:37:18 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on June 26, 2014, 10:39:38 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 26, 2014, 10:40:44 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on June 26, 2014, 10:42:03 pm
So, Cheetar, what's with your lack of interesting traits :P
Suddenly I'm struck with an intense feeling of deja vu (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136990.msg5102799#msg5102799).
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 26, 2014, 10:42:56 pm
I... Don't understand. I just read your sig...So, Cheetar, what's with your lack of interesting traits :P
Suddenly I'm struck with an intense feeling of deja vu.
Post by: Jack A T on June 26, 2014, 10:55:16 pm
Also, yes, jack, that's what people say? But nobody is going to say that it's because they are sick of being insulted, because then people will need at them and call them thin-skinned for not wanting to be insulted.For now, because I have little reason to believe otherwise, I'll assume people generally tell the truth about why they leave. It makes sense: the game does take tons of time and effort and because being overwhelmed fits the patterns of activity I see from players who say they're leaving due to the game taking too much time and effort well.
I wasn't saying I wouldn't like things to be different, 4mask, just that I disagreed on the effects of it.Pretty much the same here, basically, but I also disagree with the apparent conflation of aggression, anger, and insults, and tried to differentiate the three at least a bit.
Aggression is a tool. Anger is natural. Insults can get out of hand, and pure insults should be avoided.
Post by: Vector on June 26, 2014, 11:20:55 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 27, 2014, 04:28:11 am
But I do remember in the first month or so of playing this game, I'd be thinking things like that Leafsnail sure is a jerk, what's he got against me?* but then I played a bit more and let insults slide off me like water off a righteous-warrior-for-truth-and-justice's back. Dariush was so obnoxious I said in one game that I'd never play with him again, but I knew I couldn't actually stick to that and I let him play in my Heretics of Hexland game (then he stropped off when he was losing).
(Also, Jim, the video you posted was hilarious and appropriate)
Post by: Persus13 on June 27, 2014, 07:58:57 am
One thing I really like about playing Supernatural 7 so far, is that none of the players are beginner Mafia players, and partially as a result, the D1 of that game was a lot better then most games I've played, where D1 has had little content beyond RVS.
Post by: notquitethere on June 27, 2014, 08:44:22 am
Post by: Persus13 on June 27, 2014, 09:06:19 am
Yeah, though it can be frustrating to newcomers wanting to jump into the fun sounding games with all the kewl powers, for the players in those games everything is better when everyone knows how to play the game and can be expected to play to a high level.I know. But if you see a martial artist do cool moves and try to replicate them without practice or training, you're going to get hurt.
Post by: mastahcheese on June 27, 2014, 12:20:40 pm
So I'm against lynching 4mask's theory, but I still get the flip side of it.
But even if it isn't causing people to flat out leave, it's still something to be monitered. (which is part of the reasons BMs are nice, as already mentioned)
But yeah, I have nothing to really add to this conversation.
Post by: mastahcheese on June 27, 2014, 12:21:01 pm
So I'm against lynching 4mask's theory, but I still get the flip side of it.
But even if it isn't causing people to flat out leave, it's still something to be monitered. (which is part of the reasons BMs are nice, as already mentioned)
But yeah, I have nothing to really add to this conversation.
Post by: Toaster on June 27, 2014, 09:14:55 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 29, 2014, 10:17:49 pm
*sighs*
At least one good thing came out of Toady being alerted to the game.
Me and Toony got new sigs.
Post by: Tiruin on June 29, 2014, 10:45:17 pm
On the one hand, I can see how... Not really insults, but aggressiveness in your tone and word choice can be an actual tactic, but on the other, yeah, it can actually stir people up for real, not just in-game. (It's happened to me numerous times)It's rather what you do with your aggression.
If you're going to insult and flame others? Well. -_-
If you're going to use your aggression as constructive and interrogative as reason and ethical boundaries go, then that's acceptable. As in, make your words sound like :I
Post by: Jiokuy on July 02, 2014, 11:51:02 am
Post by: Execute/Dumbo.exe on July 03, 2014, 06:26:44 am
Well, I might as well dip my metaphorical toe in the water anyway.
Post by: notquitethere on July 03, 2014, 06:52:08 am
Man, I really want to get into mafia because it sounds so interesting, as well as being only slightly pushed further when table flip played the tabletop version of it, but I am really sensitive to insults even in a joking manner so I'm not too sure.Most players are quite nice really. There'll be a beginner's game starting very soon, so that would be the ideal time to try.
Well, I might as well dip my metaphorical toe in the water anyway.
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2014, 08:29:08 am
Just that negativity shouts and labels a hell lot more than ever. I've heard many a person say the Mafia board is a cesspool of hate and whatever crap they're able to attribute just because of <0.01% instances of that negativity -_-Man, I really want to get into mafia because it sounds so interesting, as well as being only slightly pushed further when table flip played the tabletop version of it, but I am really sensitive to insults even in a joking manner so I'm not too sure.Most players are quite nice really. There'll be a beginner's game starting very soon, so that would be the ideal time to try.
Well, I might as well dip my metaphorical toe in the water anyway.
Post by: notquitethere on July 03, 2014, 08:37:16 am
Just that negativity shouts and labels a hell lot more than ever. I've heard many a person say the Mafia board is a cesspool of hate and whatever crap they're able to attribute just because of <0.01% instances of that negativity -_-Who said that!? Why I oughta...
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Post by: ToonyMan on July 03, 2014, 12:18:47 pm
I'm driving now so it's pretty useful being able to stay calm when there's a Congo line behind you, even though you're going 5 mph over the speed limit.
Post by: Persus13 on July 03, 2014, 07:52:13 pm
Post by: Silthuri on July 15, 2014, 10:58:04 am
Post by: Mephansteras on July 15, 2014, 11:02:12 am
Just a heads up to everyone, I'm switching accounts. I'll keep MOWE for the duration of the BYOR, but after that, I'll become Silthuri.
Are you actually changing accounts or just getting your current one renamed? (If you didn't know, Toady will usually rename an account for someone if they ask him)
Post by: Silthuri on July 15, 2014, 11:07:52 am
Actually changing accounts. I didn't know just changing the name was possible until I already made the new account. I figured I may as well just go through with it at that point.Just a heads up to everyone, I'm switching accounts. I'll keep MOWE for the duration of the BYOR, but after that, I'll become Silthuri.
Are you actually changing accounts or just getting your current one renamed? (If you didn't know, Toady will usually rename an account for someone if they ask him)
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2014, 11:25:08 am
Toady can still delete the new one and change the old one...Actually changing accounts. I didn't know just changing the name was possible until I already made the new account. I figured I may as well just go through with it at that point.Just a heads up to everyone, I'm switching accounts. I'll keep MOWE for the duration of the BYOR, but after that, I'll become Silthuri.
Are you actually changing accounts or just getting your current one renamed? (If you didn't know, Toady will usually rename an account for someone if they ask him)
Post by: notquitethere on July 15, 2014, 11:26:26 am
notquitethere, you buddying? Either make a cake for everyone or for no one.You watch your mouth or so help me I'll...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
With no MyOwnWorstEnemy on the subforum, I may be once again alone in having a multi-word descriptor phrase as username.
Post by: Silthuri on July 15, 2014, 11:40:37 am
Toady can still delete the new one and change the old one...Well I figured as much. I didn't really want to bother him about it, but I guess there's no harm in asking.
Edit: Done! Thanks Toady!
Post by: Reverie on July 15, 2014, 12:19:40 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on July 15, 2014, 12:23:12 pm
But I was totally going to write a Nerjin/MOWE fanfic and call it "Enemy of my enemy"
Now what am I going to call it?
This is a joke, by the way.
Post by: Toaster on July 15, 2014, 12:36:08 pm
Toady can still delete the new one and change the old one...Well I figured as much. I didn't really want to bother him about it, but I guess there's no harm in asking.
Edit: Done! Thanks Toady!
A bit late now, but he's taken issue with people holding multiple accounts in the past, so I imagine renaming is the preferred option.
Post by: Nerjin on July 15, 2014, 12:57:23 pm
MOWE changed name?
But I was totally going to write a Nerjin/MOWE fanfic and call it "Enemy of my enemy"
Now what am I going to call it?
This is a joke, by the way.
From reknowned mastah of cheese comes the romance story "Witch of the West"
Staring Nerjin as Revolver Ocelot,
Staring Silthuri as The Witch
Featuring:
Tiruin as The Elf in that One Scene
MastahCheese as Shameless Selfinsert
Webadict as A Penguin
ToadyOne as The Lord of All that Is Dwarf
and special Guest Stars
Nicolas Cage and
Duke Nukem.
Post by: Silthuri on July 15, 2014, 01:01:03 pm
MOWE changed name?
But I was totally going to write a Nerjin/MOWE fanfic and call it "Enemy of my enemy"
Now what am I going to call it?
This is a joke, by the way.
From reknowned mastah of cheese comes the romance story "Witch of the West"
Staring Nerjin as Revolver Ocelot,
Staring Silthuri as The Witch
Featuring:
Tiruin as The Elf in that One Scene
MastahCheese as Shameless Selfinsert
Webadict as A Penguin
ToadyOne as The Lord of All that Is Dwarf
and special Guest Stars
Nicolas Cage and
Duke Nukem.
I'd read it.
Post by: mastahcheese on July 15, 2014, 02:26:27 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 15, 2014, 03:42:40 pm
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Spoiler: Historic Evidence (click to show/hide)
Post by: mastahcheese on July 15, 2014, 04:26:46 pm
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2014, 07:38:45 pm
ToonyMan is now known as Toaster.I kinda wanted to copy you... But then I figured I'd make a new avatar instead. So I did.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Nerjin on July 15, 2014, 07:55:46 pm
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2014, 08:36:34 pm
Whoa...I'm not sure if I need to add the scepter and cape as well...
Post by: Toaster on July 15, 2014, 09:00:55 pm
Post by: Shakerag on July 16, 2014, 01:22:30 am
Whoever sounds the most convincing that they'll actually play the game and give beta testing feedback to GOG/CD PROJEKT RED wins.
Post by: Vector on July 16, 2014, 01:23:40 am
Post by: webadict on July 16, 2014, 07:08:59 am
I have an extra key for the closed multiplayer beta of The Witcher: Adventure Game. I'm offering it up to the Mafia subforum (ir)regulars first.If you give it to me, I'll give it to Vector. After taunting her, of course.
Whoever sounds the most convincing that they'll actually play the game and give beta testing feedback to GOG/CD PROJEKT RED wins.
Post by: mastahcheese on July 16, 2014, 08:28:55 am
Post by: Reverie on July 16, 2014, 08:38:40 am
Post by: webadict on July 16, 2014, 08:39:48 am
Wuba, no. Bad. Bring back the old avatar D:Can't do it. However, I'll be touching it up soon. I just wanted a more cartoonish one.
Post by: Leafsnail on July 16, 2014, 10:17:24 am
Post by: Shakerag on July 16, 2014, 10:57:18 am
If you give it to me, I'll give it to Vector. After taunting her, of course.Tempting...
Post by: webadict on July 16, 2014, 02:41:02 pm
I'd even post pictures.If you give it to me, I'll give it to Vector. After taunting her, of course.Tempting...
Post by: Tiruin on July 16, 2014, 08:20:43 pm
I'm all in withWuba, no. Bad. Bring back the old avatar D:Can't do it. However, I'll be touching it up soon. I just wanted a more cartoonish one.
...
I think its the pseudo-hair. But I also think it was with the old avatar's...penguin curves?
Looked so parabolic... ._.
Post by: webadict on July 16, 2014, 09:15:09 pm
Sorry, Tiruin. There's no looking back on the old penguin. I need a new look.I'm all in withWuba, no. Bad. Bring back the old avatar D:Can't do it. However, I'll be touching it up soon. I just wanted a more cartoonish one.FlandreReverie here.
...
I think its the pseudo-hair. But I also think it was with the old avatar's...penguin curves?
Looked so parabolic... ._.
Post by: Tiruin on July 17, 2014, 12:04:23 am
Post by: notquitethere on July 17, 2014, 02:11:58 am
Post by: zombie urist on July 17, 2014, 02:17:06 am
Post by: webadict on July 17, 2014, 08:57:48 am
Make your penguin like King Henry V. :I
Spoiler: Is this better? (click to show/hide)
Post by: 4maskwolf on July 17, 2014, 11:52:14 am
Post by: webadict on July 17, 2014, 12:08:07 pm
I'm going to be out of town next week, can someone take over moderating my game for me starting next Monday till next Friday? I'll send the person all of the relevant information.I'll do it only if you send me nothing, and I get to guess every part of it.
PS The game would end tomorrow with a megahammer on everyone.
Post by: Frostmoon on July 17, 2014, 12:45:54 pm
A megahammer in a Beginner's Mafia game would be hilarious and unexpected, to say the least. :3I'm going to be out of town next week, can someone take over moderating my game for me starting next Monday till next Friday? I'll send the person all of the relevant information.I'll do it only if you send me nothing, and I get to guess every part of it.
PS The game would end tomorrow with a megahammer on everyone.
Post by: Nerjin on July 17, 2014, 12:49:24 pm
OH NO! I POSTED IT IN ANOTHER THREAD!!!
*Seppekku*
Post by: 4maskwolf on July 17, 2014, 03:54:00 pm
I also think that violates some rules.I'm not entirely sure what rule you would be violating: you were a vanilla townie who was lynched day one with no special information.
Post by: notquitethere on July 17, 2014, 04:02:03 pm
Post by: webadict on July 17, 2014, 04:13:15 pm
The mod tends to know more information than the dead players... so there is no way to break the rules other than favoring your team's side somehow.I also think that violates some rules.I'm not entirely sure what rule you would be violating: you were a vanilla townie who was lynched day one with no special information.
Post by: Reverie on July 18, 2014, 02:34:01 pm
Post by: Toaster on July 18, 2014, 02:52:42 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on July 18, 2014, 02:54:51 pm
I detail my thoughts when I send in night actions; it's helpful for both rationalizing your move, looking back at mass claim to see WHY you did that, and also hopefully entertaining to the GM.I'm going to start doing this now. I already kind of do as scum to explain things to my scumbuddies, but as town it sounds like a good strategy.
Post by: Toaster on July 18, 2014, 02:56:52 pm
Spoiler: This is a rather extreme example, from Jack's BYOR N2. (click to show/hide)
Post by: 4maskwolf on July 19, 2014, 09:59:35 pm
Post by: Nerjin on July 22, 2014, 12:29:21 pm
Just need the roles and stuff I suppose...
Sorry for the delay.
Post by: Imp on July 22, 2014, 07:57:53 pm
Post by: zombie urist on July 22, 2014, 08:12:51 pm
Post by: Vector on August 01, 2014, 12:34:17 am
Post by: Tiruin on August 01, 2014, 12:41:25 am
I had fanarts for it halfway done. 'Halfway' because the original USB holding it got stolen/lost and I had to redo it.
Twice.
I was pretty happy with my role...
Post by: Vector on August 01, 2014, 12:47:42 am
Post by: Cheeetar on August 01, 2014, 01:42:07 am
Post by: zombie urist on August 01, 2014, 02:40:45 am
Post by: Vector on August 01, 2014, 09:28:30 am
Post by: Tiruin on August 01, 2014, 09:49:20 am
B-but..I liked my kitty...
Post by: 4maskwolf on August 01, 2014, 09:50:09 am
:-[ :'(I thought you didn't have one, which was why Cheese offered you a cat in the horse chat :P
B-but..I liked my kitty...
Post by: Tiruin on August 01, 2014, 03:29:25 pm
And it was the bestiest kitty I've ever gotten despite
what
everyoneand one of the mods
says
Post by: webadict on August 01, 2014, 06:31:35 pm
Currently getting practical experience in writing Horatio. I plan on starting something Iron Diademlike in the distant future. There's so many things I was unhappy about with how ID turned out that it's not going to be restarted in its current format, but I would like to invite all players back for the game whenever it happens to eventually run.Apologies, again.
Post by: Vector on August 01, 2014, 08:43:56 pm
Post by: Tiruin on August 02, 2014, 12:56:02 am
*prod poke Webadict*
Yeah~...
Post by: Vector on August 02, 2014, 06:57:14 pm
Post by: notquitethere on August 02, 2014, 07:10:12 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on August 02, 2014, 07:23:39 pm
Post by: Persus13 on August 02, 2014, 07:34:46 pm
Yeah, I'm going to do a reveal-all... probably this evening, with all PMs and whatnot.Still waiting.
Post by: Jim Groovester on August 02, 2014, 07:35:26 pm
Post by: webadict on August 02, 2014, 07:46:03 pm
I AM LITERALLY WORKING AS A MANSERVANT, OKIt might be tougher for them to be excited about your work without seeing it.
<---- MANSERVANT
WHY IS NO ONE ELSE AS EXCITED ABOUT THIS AS I AM
Post by: Cheeetar on August 02, 2014, 08:14:39 pm
I AM LITERALLY WORKING AS A MANSERVANT, OK
<---- MANSERVANT
WHY IS NO ONE ELSE AS EXCITED ABOUT THIS AS I AM
Oh, that's actually really cool. I had no idea what you meant earlier, but- that's neat!
Post by: Tiruin on August 02, 2014, 11:54:47 pm
I AM LITERALLY WORKING AS A MANSERVANT, OKWords can't contain my excitement when I read your stuffs.
<---- MANSERVANT
WHY IS NO ONE ELSE AS EXCITED ABOUT THIS AS I AM
You know that, goodly manservant. :I
Post by: Vector on August 03, 2014, 12:48:30 am
Post by: Tiruin on August 03, 2014, 01:52:17 am
Err, to be honest for me he was still an 'incomplete' character o_oI AM LITERALLY WORKING AS A MANSERVANT, OK
<---- MANSERVANT
WHY IS NO ONE ELSE AS EXCITED ABOUT THIS AS I AM
Oh, that's actually really cool. I had no idea what you meant earlier, but- that's neat!
Yeah, it was actually the deciding factor in deciding to scrap Iron Diadem. I know so much more now about how to write a character like Horatio and his position realistically that it seems absurd to keep writing him in the same way. THERE IS SO MUCH FUCKING DRAMA, OH MY GOD. It's such a ridiculous job. But surprisingly fun :-[
Yeah you noted a bit of his past and a bit on his profession but that isn't at all enough to judge him by. It was obvious from the start that he was a holistic character...pretty much like how Alfred develops in the Batman series...
We get to know him more and more everytime--and sure, the artist or creator sees a TON more than we do but that's my idea about it.
...
He was really cool in the current Iron Diadem and still had a lot more to him than what we're seeing. :-\
Post by: Scripten on August 22, 2014, 09:57:21 pm
Post by: TolyK on August 23, 2014, 02:23:34 pm
For those of you who don't know, greetings from an American in Belarus.
Scripten, that seems awfully cheesy, to the degree that it's the good kind. :p
When I thought of a BattleTech/MechWarrior mafia game, I was expecting there to be "missions" every day where some of the lancemates could use abilities, sabotage etc.
The way you're doing it is interesting. It seems like the balancing will be more or less a statistical chore, though - one of my IRL BYOR's was balanced in a similar way to armor values, with people having up to 5 armor.
Also, why would anyone take a light 'mech?
Post by: Scripten on August 23, 2014, 04:42:40 pm
The idea would be that the group is on the return from a mission, with heavily damaged mechs. There's a minority of traitors who must try to kill the other Mechwarriors without being overwhelmed themselves. It's much more mafia than Battletech, but it's not just vanilla mafia with new role names, either.
Post by: TolyK on August 23, 2014, 05:02:07 pm
Post by: Scripten on August 23, 2014, 05:16:22 pm
If anything, I see the Marauder being underutilized, since it relies entirely on pounding out daytime damage at a steady rate.
Keep in mind, also, that heat thresholds and heat sinking levels are not finished yet.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 08, 2014, 11:38:40 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 08, 2014, 12:45:28 pm
So NQT, how goes the mysterious construction :P ?Oh I got side-tracked by a different project and I made the AI behaviour too complex, which slowed me down. I'll be getting back to this soon, but feel free to change the title of the thread in the mean time.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 08, 2014, 12:47:54 pm
I need to get back into that.
Post by: flabort on September 08, 2014, 08:24:09 pm
However, the vast majority of players disagree with me, so I conform to the norm and make weekends not count. As much as it upsets me to.
Post by: Toaster on September 08, 2014, 08:38:28 pm
Post by: webadict on September 08, 2014, 10:11:31 pm
Yeah. I've always felt that weekend activity should be higher than weekday activity, because you have work on weekdays and nothing but leisure on weekends. If you choose to go out to a nice dinner or a day-hike on the weekend, it's only because mafia matters less to you than those, and it's you're own damn fault if you miss a day; it's not your fault if you miss a day due to overtime at work or sickness.Not everyone has the same luxury. Some people work on the weekends. Some people relax. Some people just want to not have to worry about anything. Regardless, you either choose to play or you don't. No big deal either way, but the weekends are my time to relax and get things done.
However, the vast majority of players disagree with me, so I conform to the norm and make weekends not count. As much as it upsets me to.
Post by: Vector on September 08, 2014, 10:14:54 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 12, 2014, 05:06:45 pm
Post by: flabort on September 12, 2014, 09:30:47 pm
I work weekends, I get Monday and Thursday off work.One of the strangest "weekends" there is, you have two more work days in between your days off.
I guess it's not important whether or not I believe weekends should count, then, the long standing tradition is the tradition after all.
((Weekend Mafia League. Where weekdays are skipped and weekends have 2-3 phases each. Let's do it :P))
So what levels of notes do most players take when playing mafia? Do you feel it is something that has to be done lots before you get any good at it?
Post by: Vector on September 12, 2014, 09:32:26 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on September 12, 2014, 09:35:25 pm
Post by: webadict on September 12, 2014, 09:46:29 pm
I have never, ever taken mafia notes, and I hear that I used to be pretty good.^ Same for me. I kept mental notes on everyone. Nothing physical.
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 09:56:01 pm
I have never, ever taken mafia notes, and I hear that I used to be pretty good.:O
Used to?
You are. Still. >:I
You're like that one person that inspired me to play Mafia. I:<
Post by: webadict on September 12, 2014, 10:35:18 pm
Us old-timers are pretty outmatched now.I have never, ever taken mafia notes, and I hear that I used to be pretty good.:O
Used to?
You are. Still. >:I
You're like that one person that inspired me to play Mafia. I:<
Post by: Jack A T on September 12, 2014, 10:41:26 pm
Post by: Parsely on September 12, 2014, 10:45:01 pm
I have never, ever taken mafia notes, and I hear that I used to be pretty good.Me neither. I only played once and was told I did pretty good (was Town, got lynched, iirc :v) but I don't particularly believe that. :S
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 11:25:50 pm
Then again, I suck at scum hunting and even at mafia as a whole, so cup of salt. :p
Post by: Leafsnail on September 12, 2014, 11:27:24 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 13, 2014, 12:29:17 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 13, 2014, 03:40:18 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 13, 2014, 08:49:59 am
I considered it once, and decided it was too much work.
That said...
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Post by: 4maskwolf on September 13, 2014, 04:28:29 pm
I haven't taken notes before.+10000000000000000000000000000000000000 To weekend stuff
I considered it once, and decided it was too much work.
That said...
WWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKEEEEEEEEDNNNNDDDDDDD
IIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNAAAAAAACCCCCCCTTTTTTIIIIIVVVVVVIIIIIIIITTTTTTTYYYYYYY
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AAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTT
I only take notes in CYOM's, and even then only once.
Post by: Nerjin on September 13, 2014, 10:18:00 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 14, 2014, 12:33:02 pm
In many games with a lot of roles and role-powers, I've heard people say they don't expect much scumhunting in the game due to the night powers. I was wondering what you think a good balance of night power level is in order to promote scumhunting, and how much use you think insight-based scumhunting is.
Here's my two cents on the issue, but I'm relatively newish so take this with a grain of salt. In all of the games I've played in (15?), I only can recall seeing one use of truly conversation and voting based insight that actually found a scum: TheDarkStar in BM XLV, who, D2, figured out I was scum by my actions. Off the top of my head, I can't recall any other examples of this from any other game I've played.
What is far more common, I've noticed, is night power logic, and I can provide a couple of examples of this. Choose your own mafia: fortune teller results allowed town to find the converter D2. Supernatural 7: a series of interlocking claims and inspection results narrowed down the scumteam to a few potential people, who were summarily lynched. These two are two that I've played in, I'm sure there are many, many more out there.
Which leads to my other question: is there a happy medium? Where insight based scumhunting still has it's place, but people also have cool powers to play with and things to do with them?
I'd say that, of all the games I've played in, the game that I think was the closest to this medium was Supernatural mafia: everyone had a role that could do things, and in the end of the game that was really what won it, but the roles didn't have so many abilities and so much power that they completely eclipsed the day game entirely.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 14, 2014, 12:37:21 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 14, 2014, 01:18:48 pm
You know, I've been thinking, and I had a question to ask:
In many games with a lot of roles and role-powers, I've heard people say they don't expect much scumhunting in the game due to the night powers. I was wondering what you think a good balance of night power level is in order to promote scumhunting, and how much use you think insight-based scumhunting is.
Here's my two cents on the issue, but I'm relatively newish so take this with a grain of salt. In all of the games I've played in (15?), I only can recall seeing one use of truly conversation and voting based insight that actually found a scum: TheDarkStar in BM XLV, who, D2, figured out I was scum by my actions. Off the top of my head, I can't recall any other examples of this from any other game I've played.
What is far more common, I've noticed, is night power logic, and I can provide a couple of examples of this. Choose your own mafia: fortune teller results allowed town to find the converter D2. Supernatural 7: a series of interlocking claims and inspection results narrowed down the scumteam to a few potential people, who were summarily lynched. These two are two that I've played in, I'm sure there are many, many more out there.
Which leads to my other question: is there a happy medium? Where insight based scumhunting still has it's place, but people also have cool powers to play with and things to do with them?
I'd say that, of all the games I've played in, the game that I think was the closest to this medium was Supernatural mafia: everyone had a role that could do things, and in the end of the game that was really what won it, but the roles didn't have so many abilities and so much power that they completely eclipsed the day game entirely.
Don't forget about the day/night game interaction. There are many times when someone will see someone as scummy and then act on it - see my choice of Objective (iirc) for who to make useless (and eventually prove scum) in Choose-Your-Own-Mafia. He seemed scummy from the day, so I acted on it.
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2014, 01:50:11 pm
Post by: webadict on September 14, 2014, 02:03:17 pm
Yeah, players in high power games that under-estimate the day scum-hunting game are playing poorly.BYORs have a lot of newer players that believe their role is the god of roles. They are summarily disappointed when they cannot be as invincible as they believed.
The easiest place to see this is in KotM. Town ALWAYS tries to come up with a Night action cycle to stop the scum. This can be their undoing, easily.
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2014, 02:09:18 pm
Post by: Solymr on September 14, 2014, 03:50:05 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on September 14, 2014, 04:22:43 pm
King of the Mafia 2 winner: Leafsnail, Greater Mixed Martyr Nexus [it was more like Lesser really]
King of the Mafia 3 winner: ToonyMan, Delayer
King of the Mafia 4 winner: Toaster, Hungry Ghoul
I think webadict was only a Goo because someone else made him one. Basically there are some goos that are almost impossible to get rid of, and I'm surprised we haven't had any really serious infections yet.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 14, 2014, 04:40:32 pm
King of the Mafia 1 winner: webadict, Turqoise Goo
King of the Mafia 2 winner: Leafsnail, Greater Mixed Martyr Nexus [it was more like Lesser really]
King of the Mafia 3 winner: ToonyMan, Delayer
King of the Mafia 4 winner: Toaster, Hungry Ghoul
I think webadict was only a Goo because someone else made him one. Basically there are some goos that are almost impossible to get rid of, and I'm surprised we haven't had any really serious infections yet.
What about the Prince of the Mafia winners?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 14, 2014, 05:19:07 pm
King of the Mafia 1 winner: webadict, Turqoise GooToaster was some sort of copycat role that copied my hungry ghoul, actually. You have no idea how close I was to offing him instead of protecting.
King of the Mafia 2 winner: Leafsnail, Greater Mixed Martyr Nexus [it was more like Lesser really]
King of the Mafia 3 winner: ToonyMan, Delayer
King of the Mafia 4 winner: Toaster, Hungry Ghoul
I think webadict was only a Goo because someone else made him one. Basically there are some goos that are almost impossible to get rid of, and I'm surprised we haven't had any really serious infections yet.
I was so close to winning as a toxic goo, too. It came down to a chance of the dice, and Tiruin shot me.
Post by: webadict on September 14, 2014, 07:08:18 pm
King of the Mafia 1 winner: webadict, Turqoise GooI was actually an Angel, after I was... The one that let's you copy a role. Goo was actually the first time I played.
King of the Mafia 2 winner: Leafsnail, Greater Mixed Martyr Nexus [it was more like Lesser really]
King of the Mafia 3 winner: ToonyMan, Delayer
King of the Mafia 4 winner: Toaster, Hungry Ghoul
I think webadict was only a Goo because someone else made him one. Basically there are some goos that are almost impossible to get rid of, and I'm surprised we haven't had any really serious infections yet.
Post by: Toaster on September 15, 2014, 12:11:23 pm
Or Team Don't Give Everyone A Daykill
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2014, 05:36:53 pm
Or Team Don't Give Everyone A DaykillTeam Nighteyes.
Post by: Shakerag on September 16, 2014, 09:28:46 pm
Post by: Nerjin on September 16, 2014, 11:29:07 pm
Post by: flabort on September 17, 2014, 08:32:39 am
Hmm. That could be an interesting thing to base a Mafia game on...
Post by: mastahcheese on September 17, 2014, 09:55:29 am
I already have it.Heh, you have it because I indirectly convinced you. :P
Hmm. That could be an interesting thing to base a Mafia game on...
That said, I need to play it more often.
Post by: Shakerag on September 17, 2014, 09:38:32 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 18, 2014, 10:04:50 am
Well, looks like Nerjin is the obvious recipient at this time.+1
Then we can pester him to do a let's play of it! XD
Post by: Nerjin on September 18, 2014, 12:50:20 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 18, 2014, 12:57:14 pm
Post by: Nerjin on September 18, 2014, 01:01:32 pm
Post by: webadict on September 18, 2014, 01:54:44 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 18, 2014, 01:56:35 pm
I'm surprised Shakerag doesn't run Shakeragian BYOR or something. Or even The Game Where Shakerag Brings Everyone's Role.Bring your own Shakerag.
It's not even a role, it's Shakerag playing as 7 people at once.
Post by: TolyK on September 18, 2014, 02:15:58 pm
As in, Bring Shakerag.
Or, Be Shakerag.
Post by: Toaster on September 18, 2014, 02:34:40 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 18, 2014, 02:35:42 pm
The BYOR Where Everyone is ShakeragWincon: You win when Shakerag is dead.
Post by: Persus13 on September 18, 2014, 03:20:02 pm
Post by: webadict on September 18, 2014, 03:34:02 pm
Kill Shakerag NowThe BYOR Where Everyone is ShakeragWincon: You win when Shakerag is dead.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 18, 2014, 03:35:06 pm
+1Kill Shakerag NowThe BYOR Where Everyone is ShakeragWincon: You win when Shakerag is dead.
Post by: Toaster on September 18, 2014, 03:36:43 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 18, 2014, 03:37:25 pm
Post by: Shakerag on September 18, 2014, 04:21:52 pm
Post by: Shakerag on September 18, 2014, 04:27:31 pm
I'm surprised Shakerag doesn't run Shakeragian BYOR or something. Or even The Game Where Shakerag Brings Everyone's Role.I haven't run a game ever, for one. And I'm not even sure where to start with that idea. I guess it just sounds like a normal BYOR with role submission restrictions?
I'm also slightly amused that "Shakeragian" is apparently a word/thing now.
Now I want to see a Mafia game where everyone plays a shakerag role from a previous BYOR.I don't think there have been that many for a decent sized game yet ...
Post by: Parsely on September 18, 2014, 04:32:43 pm
Also, Tiruin, I always thought your username was pronounced (Tier-you-in) and even with knowing the correct pronunciation, I still mentally insist on pronouncing it the way I do.Lel. Masches is derpches. I've always pronounced it (Tee-roo-in).
Post by: Toaster on September 18, 2014, 06:10:09 pm
I'm surprised Shakerag doesn't run Shakeragian BYOR or something. Or even The Game Where Shakerag Brings Everyone's Role.I haven't run a game ever, for one. And I'm not even sure where to start with that idea. I guess it just sounds like a normal BYOR with role submission restrictions?
I'm also slightly amused that "Shakeragian" is apparently a word/thing now.
Maybe something like Pandar's iPick (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=50568.msg1068405#msg1068405) game except all Shakeragian?
Post by: Tiruin on September 18, 2014, 09:13:07 pm
I've noted that Americans pronounce my name in a way I find silly in a good way. :PAlso, Tiruin, I always thought your username was pronounced (Tier-you-in) and even with knowing the correct pronunciation, I still mentally insist on pronouncing it the way I do.Lel. Masches is derpches. I've always pronounced it (Tee-roo-in).
...As in. Really. Though you make it fancy, MC. I like that.
(Though Gunin gets my pronunciation as I pronounce it) :P
I'm also slightly amused that "Shakeragian" is apparently a word/thing now.Oh next time there's a BYOR (and hopefully you'd join :D), I'd like to...hmph!
Post by: flabort on September 18, 2014, 09:44:28 pm
Tie-Roo-Inn.
So not quite right, but not quite wrong.
It's definitely a thing now, and I have plans for my own submissions.I'm also slightly amused that "Shakeragian" is apparently a word/thing now.Oh next time there's a BYOR (and hopefully you'd join :D), I'd like to...hmph!
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 18, 2014, 09:45:49 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on September 18, 2014, 09:48:32 pm
Post by: Execute/Dumbo.exe on September 18, 2014, 10:10:08 pm
Post by: webadict on September 18, 2014, 10:27:28 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 18, 2014, 10:32:46 pm
I pronounce it Tee-Ree-An, which is nowhere near correct, but I do it because SHE KNOWS WHY!xD
You are silly, web. But yes. I do. Thanks.
:P
Hmm. I've been pronouncing it Tie (As in Tie-fighter, or neck tie) Ruin (As in pile of old rocks that may have been a city).Yeah...that's what I meant by 'Americans' :P
I mean, that is only pertaining to those I've heard say my name (in raidcall and stuff :v).
...And it is strange to hear it with Tie at the start. As in, Tie-Roon. But they're all pretty nice. ._.
I pronounce it in my head as tih-rew-win....Actually this is how I pronounce it. Gah.
Post by: TolyK on September 19, 2014, 01:16:44 am
Can I run the Shakerag game? I'd likely co-mod, but yeah, um.
Shakerag would have to play, of course.
Post by: Vector on September 19, 2014, 01:30:44 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 19, 2014, 02:14:48 am
Kill Shakerag Now? I honestly wish I could participate.Workload issues, huh? :<
Hmm, if its a BYOR of Shakerag theme, I believe I know what role I'll submit.
Post by: Vector on September 19, 2014, 02:18:24 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 19, 2014, 03:41:03 am
Yeah, I kept on hoping there would be time to reopen Iron Diadem, but I'm going to just have to kill it. I'm way too busy with other projects to even consider a continuation. It would possibly be years from now.Wotcha so busy with, V?
That's how I read it as well. No stress on the first syllable.I pronounce it in my head as tih-rew-win....Actually this is how I pronounce it. Gah.
Post by: webadict on September 19, 2014, 06:52:19 am
VendettaYeah, I kept on hoping there would be time to reopen Iron Diadem, but I'm going to just have to kill it. I'm way too busy with other projects to even consider a continuation. It would possibly be years from now.Wotcha so busy with, V?
Post by: TolyK on September 19, 2014, 07:21:12 am
Also, no objections to a Shakerag game in the nearest 1-3 weeks or so?
Post by: Tiruin on September 19, 2014, 07:23:59 am
Tih-rue-in, yep.Heh, 'Tih-"r-we"-in' x3
Tih-rue-in, yep.YEEEESS
Also, no objections to a Shakerag game in the nearest 1-3 weeks or so?
Unless Shakerag says no. :c
Post by: Toaster on September 19, 2014, 08:13:05 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 19, 2014, 08:34:48 am
I don't know why I pronounce it the way I do (I wouldn't call it "fancy", though. :P But I like it.), and for some reason, I tend to mentally pronounce it with a Scandinavian accent, and I don't have the slightset idea why.
Post by: Shakerag on September 19, 2014, 09:10:26 am
Oh next time there's a BYOR (and hopefully you'd join :D), I'd like to...hmph![sleezy guy] Hey baby, no need for a BYOR. You can "hmph" over at my place anytime. [/sleezy guy]
Um.Wait, wait, wait. Am I modding my namesake game or playing in it now? O_o
Can I run the Shakerag game? I'd likely co-mod, but yeah, um.
Shakerag would have to play, of course.
I think I would be a terrible mod anyway, because I would most likely monkey's paw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw)-up all role submissions. Because I'm kind of an asshole. But then again, a number of you do seem to be masochists ...
(in raidcall and stuff :v).Wait, are you playing some MMORPG too?
Kill Shakerag Now? I honestly wish I could participate.Maybe we can work out some other Shakerag-killing fantasy for you some time.
Post by: Toaster on September 19, 2014, 09:11:23 am
Post by: webadict on September 19, 2014, 09:34:26 am
The Role That Forces Shakerag to Write a Mafia-Hosting Program inInformAssembler
Post by: Toaster on September 19, 2014, 09:41:56 am
Post by: TolyK on September 19, 2014, 09:49:02 am
Post by: webadict on September 19, 2014, 09:51:15 am
Well, Shakerag, what would your prefer? :pI can help mod, if needed.
Post by: TolyK on September 19, 2014, 10:23:30 am
If you know what I mean, which of course you do.
Post by: Vector on September 19, 2014, 10:56:16 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 19, 2014, 11:17:57 am
Post by: webadict on September 19, 2014, 11:28:25 am
Swell! You're just the person I need.Is this the part where I'm supposed to know?
If you know what I mean, which of course you do.
Post by: Cheeetar on September 19, 2014, 11:41:14 am
Too complicated! Needs to be just T or T-Babe or T-Dog or something.
+1 on calling Tiruin T-Bone from now on.
Post by: Vector on September 19, 2014, 11:49:21 am
Post by: Shakerag on September 19, 2014, 12:12:05 pm
studying for the Math GREWait, there's a math GRE? I thought there was only one generalized test ... I didn't do to bad on the quantitative section, but an entire math GRE? I shudder at the thought.
Post by: notquitethere on September 22, 2014, 11:28:39 am
The game as it stands is roughly based on Choose-Your-Own-Mafia, allowing the player to build starting powers to begin with, with AI creating builds based on their alignment and play-style. The play-style AI is going to be the most challenging aspect to implement, but I've got a fair idea of how it's going to work. It's all going to be text-based, but I might consider adding portraits for the different AI personalities. I'll keep y'all posted about it.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 22, 2014, 11:34:30 am
Good luck, NQT.
Post by: TolyK on September 22, 2014, 11:40:27 am
But that's good news to the mafia.
Post by: notquitethere on September 22, 2014, 12:31:00 pm
Post by: flabort on September 22, 2014, 07:50:47 pm
Feature Requests? LAN multiplayer :P. Variable Game sizes - as small as 4 AI, up to 63 AI (5-64 players in single player) 8). AI's who have hybrid play-styles, where they have a 40% chance of basing their decisions based on a Puzzle Solver playstyle and a 60% of using their Interrogator playstyle :). Rare "Named" AI players, they have a distinct playstyle quirk and a ramped difficulty compared to generic AIs of their playstyle :o. A cheater AI play-style that starts with a more powerful build, but is A) rare and B) not that skilled at USING it's powers or scumhunting 8).
Post by: TolyK on September 22, 2014, 11:18:51 pm
Post by: notquitethere on September 23, 2014, 02:35:59 am
In my very first prototype, you could always tell who the killer was because they were the only person not to vote anyone for a round, hence the current chunk based plan.
Post by: Gentlefish on October 01, 2014, 11:45:42 pm
Of course this means I have to sign up for the next one.
Post by: Tiruin on October 02, 2014, 12:17:35 am
Man. Mafia's some tense shit. That BM XLIX is crazy.It's rather what you do, than what is. >_>
Of course this means I have to sign up for the next one.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 08, 2014, 10:30:17 am
Post by: webadict on October 08, 2014, 08:21:03 pm
I've been busy since 7 weeks ago when the semester started. I don't think I'll be able to play any games for a few months at least...Okay, Pandarsenic, how many midterms this time?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 08, 2014, 10:04:36 pm
About 10? I've had 3 now.I've been busy since 7 weeks ago when the semester started. I don't think I'll be able to play any games for a few months at least...Okay, Pandarsenic, how many midterms this time?
HE WASN'T JOKING
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 08, 2014, 10:07:41 pm
That awkward moment when you turn out to be on team evil all along, despite your entire logic for being on the town's side being that such a thing was preposterous because of balance.
Also, WTF BROTHER-ALLY!
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 08, 2014, 10:12:15 pm
Posted in wrong thread.
Post by: flabort on October 08, 2014, 10:24:14 pm
Also, WTF BROTHER-ALLY!There's a reason I was asking opinions on all possible ally-variants :P
*cough*
Other wincons I considered:
Ally-Ally
Jester-Ally
Outsider-Ally (Outsider wincon: Everyone alive has a different wincon)
Lyncher-Ally/Assassin-Ally (With themselves as the target)
Outsider-Ally (Outsider wincon: Player X cannot win (Player X is the Ally))
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 08, 2014, 11:09:33 pm
On the other hand, I got to just troll the scumteam a bit from the deadchat, so that was fun.
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 09, 2014, 04:52:58 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 09, 2014, 05:20:23 pm
What was the list of primed people, anyway? Would I have won if I had activated all the primed people?I think enough of the town had extra lives, revives, etc. that activating everyone probably wouldn't have won it outright.
Post by: mastahcheese on October 10, 2014, 08:34:18 am
Post by: TolyK on October 10, 2014, 09:18:38 am
Post by: Persus13 on October 10, 2014, 09:21:04 am
How was it even possible to beat Cheese? Even I wasn't OP enough.Probably by lynching him.
Post by: notquitethere on October 10, 2014, 11:13:38 am
Post by: mastahcheese on October 10, 2014, 01:23:45 pm
I'd have still ressurected.How was it even possible to beat Cheese? Even I wasn't OP enough.Probably by lynching him.
And then the last person to vote me would have died, so you'd need spectator support.
Post by: TolyK on October 10, 2014, 01:57:26 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 22, 2014, 05:59:29 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 22, 2014, 06:23:59 pm
Hey, so, for those of you who had been involved in the mafia succession fortress, we're considering restarting it in the new version. If you want to participate, go over and take a look at the thread (It's the one that has the title that includes "long live the queen")./me is so shamed but would PTW...if she cannot play anyway.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 22, 2014, 06:33:55 pm
/me hugs TiruinHey, so, for those of you who had been involved in the mafia succession fortress, we're considering restarting it in the new version. If you want to participate, go over and take a look at the thread (It's the one that has the title that includes "long live the queen")./me is so shamed but would PTW...if she cannot play anyway.
Don't worry about it, Tiru. You're more than welcome to play.
Post by: Jack A T on October 22, 2014, 09:41:28 pm
Post by: flabort on October 22, 2014, 11:27:32 pm
So NQT, how goes the mysterious construction :P ?:P
Post by: flabort on October 23, 2014, 11:20:25 pm
In an elaborate setup-dependant gambit, which would only WORK if the player actually wound up scum, if they didn't read their role PM they could actually play as town until LYLO, and then, believing themselves to be town, lynch another town and win the game for scum. However, this is a meta discussion that should be taken to the out of game banter thread.
In an elaborate setup-dependant gambit, which would only WORK if the player actually wound up scum, if they didn't read their role PM they could actually play as town until LYLO, and then, believing themselves to be town, lynch another town and win the game for scum.This (not reading one's PM) would be an incredible violation of the Play to Win rule, and I can't see many mods here responding kindly to it.
They would be playing to win; it's just like aggressively bussing your teammate, or forgetting to use your jailkeep/cop powers.
And the guy would technically still win at the end if he played to hunt the most suspicious, scummy person; he'd inevitably hit his own teammate if he were scum, and then win the game in LYLO. And if he were town, he'd wind up lynching both scum and winning that way too.
An elaborate gambit, designed to win "by mistake", but only able to be pulled off by a player with substantial skill.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 23, 2014, 11:41:47 pm
Also, if they were a cop/jailkeeper themself, and didn't read their role 'just in case it was scum', their townie teammates would be pretty annoyed at them. It could work! But the chances are it wouldn't, and it'd be very frustrating in every occasion and probably make people not want to play with them.
An elaborate gambit, designed to win "by mistake", but only able to be pulled off by a player with substantial skill.It would only be attempted by a player of minimal skill.
Post by: zombie urist on October 24, 2014, 01:22:16 am
Post by: TolyK on October 24, 2014, 02:35:00 am
Given perfect play, you are actually always playing to your wincon.
Look at it this way:
- You don't want to die both as scum and town
- You want to lynch people both as town and scum
Given a mountainous game, if you play perfectly as town and badly as scum, it's much better to play blind with the assumption of town.
If you're scum, your teammates should play as if you were unknown to them and were town, possibly bussing you (but not out of sheer spite :p).
Of course, since nobody plays perfectly, and there are usually power roles that will stop you in your tracks, it's a bad idea not to read your role PM. Really not a good idea.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 24, 2014, 04:40:41 am
Post by: TolyK on October 24, 2014, 06:10:04 am
So yeah.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 24, 2014, 07:32:52 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 24, 2014, 07:40:34 am
One of the assumptions was that you play perfectly (seem as 100% town) only when you don't know who you are.See, it's funny, because I play a better town game as scum than I do as town.
So yeah.
Post by: webadict on October 24, 2014, 11:44:51 am
It helps that you know exactly who scum is in those cases.qOne of the assumptions was that you play perfectly (seem as 100% town) only when you don't know who you are.See, it's funny, because I play a better town game as scum than I do as town.
So yeah.
Post by: TolyK on October 24, 2014, 12:25:44 pm
Post by: flabort on October 24, 2014, 02:58:37 pm
If you get a result back, well, are you the town cop or scum cop? You still don't know and can assume town, as long as the target for both was the same. Doctors don't get results, and the scum kill could be coincidence.
So we need a player of minimal skill, but the incredible potential to be a player of perfection by the end of day 1; because only they would try it, and only they could succeed.
Maybe.
I would try it but donn't think I could succeed.
Post by: Jack A T on October 24, 2014, 03:05:16 pm
Heh. In most highly powered games, the Mod will allow conditional actions; in an open set-up like the Beginners Mafia, where you know all the possible roles, if you intend to play without knowing you role you can use the condition "if I have it," which allows you to complete the illusion.Town cop and scum rolecop are completely different roles with completely different results. No doctors in current BMs. Scum actions are generally sent in through scumchat.
If you get a result back, well, are you the town cop or scum cop? You still don't know and can assume town, as long as the target for both was the same. Doctors don't get results, and the scum kill could be coincidence.
Post by: Toaster on October 24, 2014, 03:12:32 pm
I look before I *submit* it, though. Gotta claim Miller if I have it.
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 24, 2014, 05:04:30 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 24, 2014, 05:12:21 pm
I can now imagine a game of Mafia where almost no one knows their alignment (at first), but they don't know who does and most don't know that everyone else also doesn't know.Bellsounder Mafia kinda worked that way, where the town didn't know their wincon.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 24, 2014, 07:02:51 pm
Yes, yes it does. And bussing ruthlessly is really, really effective, apparently.It helps that you know exactly who scum is in those cases.qOne of the assumptions was that you play perfectly (seem as 100% town) only when you don't know who you are.See, it's funny, because I play a better town game as scum than I do as town.
So yeah.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 24, 2014, 08:23:51 pm
Post by: flabort on October 24, 2014, 08:50:49 pm
I once played a game where nobody knew their alignment at the start. Three factions were known to exist, and each player had to figure out their alignment through a series of esoteric clues given each night (Blue triangle, red square, blue square, yellow circle, etc, floating above the player's head). It was designed so that by the end of night 3 each player SHOULD know which faction they belong to, though.I can now imagine a game of Mafia where almost no one knows their alignment (at first), but they don't know who does and most don't know that everyone else also doesn't know.Bellsounder Mafia kinda worked that way, where the town didn't know their wincon.
Also, each death gave some information as to the nature of the esoteric clues, as similar but more complex clues would manifest whenever a player died; supposedly, these clues also let on HOW they died.
The flavor was that archeologists working together to unearth an ancient mayan temple were all possessed by the spirits residing there at night, and the spirits started to guide their bodies. Each archeologist had to figure out what their spirit wanted of them, and work with them; working against the spirit could turn out bad for the archeologist (read: they lose the game by letting the other team(s) win).
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 24, 2014, 10:19:11 pm
How many games has it won you, 4mask? :POne as scum. I'll check how many I've won as town.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 24, 2014, 10:35:29 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 24, 2014, 10:44:33 pm
To clarify, I was asking specifically how effective you'd found bussing your teammates in terms of how many games it had won you- not really possible to bus teammates as a normal townie?Ohhhhh. 1/2, so far, my other game as scum I killed off my scumbuddy not as a tactic but because he was... Let's just say there was a reason Everyone wanted him lynched.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 25, 2014, 01:48:02 am
Spoiler: Town Games 8/15 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Scum games 2/7 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third Party Games 0/2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Other (click to show/hide)
Post by: TolyK on October 25, 2014, 03:43:36 am
Choose-Your-Own-Masquerade: Loss:p
Notes: ...
Quote
Overall Record: 5/14Not actually that bad, considering newbiness at first and replacing.
I bet I'd do worse...
...
Now I gotta check.
Post by: flabort on October 25, 2014, 12:41:17 pm
Quote
Notes: Flabort, you magnificent bastard.;D
I have so many ideas floating around for the sequel.
More scum, for one.
A warning that the game is semi-bastard, due to the possibility of roles that make the game bastard.
Of course limiting the possible number of submissions.
Certain powers........
Post by: Jack A T on October 25, 2014, 02:34:02 pm
Spoiler: Town Games 10/20 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Scum Games 3/4 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third Party Games 1/1 (click to show/hide)
Overall: 14/25
Post by: zombie urist on October 25, 2014, 03:58:07 pm
Spoiler: Town 7/12 (click to show/hide)
)Spoiler: Scum 4/6 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third Party 2/5 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Cancelled Games (click to show/hide)
13/23 Surprisingly, my town win percentage is almost the same as my scum win percent.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2014, 05:36:23 pm
My stats for 2009 only:
Spoiler: Town 6/18 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Mafia 7/10 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third-Party 1/3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Incomplete 3 (click to show/hide)
Town Win = 33%
Mafia Win = 70%
Third-Party Win = 33%
Total Victory Percentage = 14/31 = 45%
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 25, 2014, 08:23:43 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on October 25, 2014, 08:28:35 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 25, 2014, 09:01:04 pm
Check your PMs, TDS. Every time you signup, you'll receive a role in your inbox. It's what I'm doing, anyway.So you all did that manually?
...This will take a long time to sift over 70 pages of PMs.
And nearly impossible due to the net connection here. :-\
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 25, 2014, 09:06:36 pm
Check your PMs, TDS. Every time you signup, you'll receive a role in your inbox. It's what I'm doing, anyway.
Thanks; however, I ended up doing a search and got the 30 different threads that my name has showed up in on this board.
My games:
Spoiler: Town 4/13 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Scum 2/5 (click to show/hide)
I see a pattern - In all the games that I was town, town only won in the games that I wasn't nightkilled (except Worse Things Happen At Sea, but the scum got me killed in a similar way anyway). So, if I'm in your game and you can protect me, you should so you can win. For scum, if I get lynched, I lose (except for Smster W/ Love, which doesn't count because it was silly). Also, people really like to kill me for some reason - I've died in 15 out of my 20 games.
Post by: Nerjin on October 25, 2014, 09:21:04 pm
(except for Smster W/ Love, which doesn't count because it was silly).
... I worked very hard on that game.
Post by: Tiruin on October 25, 2014, 09:34:58 pm
It was a good game with good narrative too. (Seriously, that Succubus story brought tears)(except for Smster W/ Love, which doesn't count because it was silly).
... I worked very hard on that game.
/me bops TheDarkStar with the back of her fist :I
Boop!
Post by: Toaster on October 25, 2014, 09:50:28 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 25, 2014, 10:30:21 pm
And three of the games I won were the first three games I joined: I've had exactly two wins since then. Yes. TWO. The original CYOM and Supernatural 7. Both games I was quite helpful not because of scumhunting but because of powers.
Amusingly, I did figure out one of the scum in FHPBYOR, but he died to lyncher bomb and I was actually on team evil.
Post by: Nerjin on October 25, 2014, 10:31:48 pm
Post by: Persus13 on October 25, 2014, 10:41:35 pm
I do know that I haven't ever been lynched as town.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 25, 2014, 11:27:18 pm
Post-Post Compilation: Damn. I used to suck bad at Mafia.
I used to believe that a no-lynch Day 1 was the best (and so did a lot of other people!) And also, PMing other players in the game used to be really really common.
Also: I used to play Mafia a ton. There was a gap of 3 years in which I didn't play it at all, but I'm really glad I decided to come back to playing it. Special props go to Vector for the encouragement :)
Total: 21 wins of 39 games, or a 53.8% win rate.
Spoiler: Town - 14/23 wins (60.9%) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Mafia/Cult - 6/9 wins (66%) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third Party - 1/7 wins (14%) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Cancelled (click to show/hide)
).Bonus:
Spoiler: The best PM from Ninja Mafia (click to show/hide)
), Kashyyk sent me a PM telling me that the previous message that he had sent (which he hadn't actually sent) was a mistake. I played along. Now that we know each other through referee error, we should probably team up and disregard the rule about fighting other ninjas.Spoiler: Me being totally right about everything (Toon Mafia V) (click to show/hide)
Wuuh, this took me like 3 hours to compile. So many good memories. I miss Inaluct playing Mafia :'(
Post by: webadict on October 25, 2014, 11:52:31 pm
:((except for Smster W/ Love, which doesn't count because it was silly).
... I worked very hard on that game.
I liked your writing...
Post by: webadict on October 26, 2014, 12:04:25 am
I don't think that's an exaggeration either.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 26, 2014, 12:08:47 am
Post by: Nerjin on October 26, 2014, 12:35:18 am
Post by: Tiruin on October 26, 2014, 02:36:01 am
I just realized that despite all of the praise and shit I got when I was a new player, I have the worst record of anyone to post so far, other than maybe NQT's breakdown of games earlier.Oh pffy (pronounced 'Puffy') this.
And three of the games I won were the first three games I joined: I've had exactly two wins since then. Yes. TWO. The original CYOM and Supernatural 7. Both games I was quite helpful not because of scumhunting but because of powers.
Amusingly, I did figure out one of the scum in FHPBYOR, but he died to lyncher bomb and I was actually on team evil.
You just fell into a depressive mood because 'omg I suck' when you're actually a good player because of the trait of 'oh I suck but I'll get better, determination~' under that gloomy mask of yours.
...Come to think of it, all I think when I see your username is the ol' 4 temperaments because of your moods. Nothing bad intended or as my intent here. xD
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2014, 03:05:37 am
Currently in FBYOR 5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394)
Spoiler: Town Games (6/12) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Mafia (3/4) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third Party or Changing Alignments (2/4) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: DNF games (3) (click to show/hide)
Games played: 23
Games finished: 20
Games won: 11
Win ratio: 55%
Ran games:
BM17 (I think?)
I've also ran a totally balanced semi-bastard that only took 103 IRL days to play and effectively ran for 366 days, which ended up confusing everone, including me (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=145144.0). Totally worth the read, IMHUO.
Whoo! Apparently I've got a knack of winning with bad play as scum.
And it confirms that I'm a bad town player. :P
(As a matter o' fact, your equivalent post might be a good thing to link in your sig).
Nerjin, you could look up your profile and search your posts, I guess...
Post by: mastahcheese on October 26, 2014, 07:41:29 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 26, 2014, 08:34:15 am
For the sake of argument I'll include every completed game other than Systematically Make Others Lose and KotM, even though a lot of them were unfair one way or the other.
Spoiler: Town, won 23/48 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Mafia, won 8/15 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third party, won 5/12 (click to show/hide)
Post by: webadict on October 26, 2014, 10:10:04 am
Buh. I thought my 823 was a few to trawl through.I checked to make sure.
337 pages * 15 PMs / page = 5055 PMs
Wow, I was right.
Post by: notquitethere on October 26, 2014, 12:26:54 pm
Spoiler: 33.33% win rate (click to show/hide)
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2014, 01:10:24 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2014, 01:23:05 pm
...
I blame luck. >.>
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2014, 01:28:15 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 26, 2014, 01:47:57 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2014, 01:53:52 pm
How do you have a 100% successful mafia win record?? Granted, 3 games isn't a whole lot.Uh.
I end up with better players who help me figure out what the hell I'm doing.
Possibly it's because I get better invested in the game, possibly because skillz.
Oh, and technically its 4/4 if you include the lover-to-town-turned-scum game.
P.s. I still suck at mafia as town. :p
Post by: Jack A T on October 26, 2014, 02:11:24 pm
Just look at all the games in our lists that we say were quite imbalanced, or had a single bad townie undermine the entire town, or had us die N1 and still win, or were outright unwinnable.
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2014, 02:30:47 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 26, 2014, 04:01:58 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 26, 2014, 04:53:25 pm
Well, yeah. But statistics are good at being statistics, in that they more or less represent what you can expect the win chance of a player to be, given a particular situation.Yet you do recall they're translations of an observed happening into numerical form, right? Meant to give a general gist or inferred-then-concluded/categorized idea of a population or sample?
Which doesn't explain the exacts of why that player won/lost or serve as a practical guide on knowing "the win chance of a player to be"? I mean it does do such, if they'd analyze themselves and recheck what they did during those games and create experience out of it to learn from--but that's aside 'just statistics'.
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2014, 11:10:19 pm
The only real practical use would be in balancing actual game setups.
Post by: notquitethere on October 27, 2014, 06:02:03 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 27, 2014, 10:13:40 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vector on October 27, 2014, 10:51:11 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 27, 2014, 10:56:43 pm
Tiruin and Webadict, come play KYOSN with me >:[I am unsure what this acronym means D: I'm thinking of steam games!
*looks*
YAY NEW GAEM
Edit: Wow that name. xD
@4mask: I'd also join yours but...
...I missed half of my childhood not even knowing Pokemon despite having a GBA (which now resides not gathering dust but as a memento on the shelf u_u)
Post by: TolyK on October 27, 2014, 11:01:49 pm
Tiruin and Webadict, come play KYOSN with me >:[But Wuba knows everything already!
* points to second post *
;)
@4mask: I'd also join yours but...He said that non-Pokemon players would not be at a disadvantage, because "better" Pokemon will be balanced against the "worse" ones.
...I missed half of my childhood not even knowing Pokemon despite having a GBA (which now resides not gathering dust but as a memento on the shelf u_u)
Post by: Tiruin on October 28, 2014, 12:24:30 am
\I only know Pikachu and Charmander D:<@4mask: I'd also join yours but...He said that non-Pokemon players would not be at a disadvantage, because "better" Pokemon will be balanced against the "worse" ones.
...I missed half of my childhood not even knowing Pokemon despite having a GBA (which now resides not gathering dust but as a memento on the shelf u_u)
Don't bring me into the first fields ._. I picked wrong and got blasted by Gary. Mmph.
I'm shy, too. Pokemon...
Post by: flabort on October 28, 2014, 12:41:01 am
Here is a list of all dual typings (http://pokemondb.net/type/dual), or rather the effect that attacks have on those dual typings.
If you haven't picked a 'mon yet (I see you signed up after all), browse that, find a type pairing you like, and click the number beside it; like the 15 beside grass/poison. Then just pick a picture you like off that list that pops up, click it, and tell 4mask the name.
Post by: Tiruin on October 28, 2014, 01:33:53 am
Tiruin: Probably the most important part to consider is the type(s).OH! We're working DUAL pokemon!
Here is a list of all dual typings (http://pokemondb.net/type/dual), or rather the effect that attacks have on those dual typings.
If you haven't picked a 'mon yet (I see you signed up after all), browse that, find a type pairing you like, and click the number beside it; like the 15 beside grass/poison. Then just pick a picture you like off that list that pops up, click it, and tell 4mask the name.
I know what to exactly send in then. Unless...I'm misinterpreting this as 'send in hybrid pokemon to 4mask to make a role out of'
Post by: notquitethere on October 28, 2014, 04:57:27 am
Post by: Tiruin on October 28, 2014, 05:35:08 am
You did pretty well in the Pokéfusion game, Tiruin, but I don't think Wolf wants pokéhybrids. The dual type charts are for the (many) pokémon with two basic types (like Venusaur is Grass-Poison).I miss that game :c
Also I did send 2 things to Wolfy. A single pokemon and a hybrid, just to be sure.
Post by: webadict on October 28, 2014, 07:15:19 pm
Tiruin and Webadict, come play KYOSN with me >:[Afraid that I was a part of that game, otherwise I would. Perhaps next time, Vector. I know you're just waiting for a game where I can out you as scum immediately for old times sake.
Post by: Persus13 on October 28, 2014, 10:17:05 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 28, 2014, 10:39:18 pm
By the way NQT, whatever image host you're using isn't working for me (probably the firewall on my internet). Do you know something I can do to see the images you post?Same.
Post by: Tiruin on October 29, 2014, 01:38:24 am
I can see it here so it may be a firewall to a lesser known image hosting site, maybe?By the way NQT, whatever image host you're using isn't working for me (probably the firewall on my internet). Do you know something I can do to see the images you post?Same.
Reupload em to imgur, NQT? :D
Post by: notquitethere on October 29, 2014, 05:47:31 am
By the way NQT, whatever image host you're using isn't working for me (probably the firewall on my internet). Do you know something I can do to see the images you post?Try right clicking and opening the image in a new tab. I don't really want to go through them all and re upload but I guess I'll consider it if people can't see the images.
Post by: Tiruin on October 29, 2014, 06:50:35 am
Erm, with times like these, there are instances where you can't see the picture at all due to a considerable number of reasons I lack information on and am only stating from observation ._.By the way NQT, whatever image host you're using isn't working for me (probably the firewall on my internet). Do you know something I can do to see the images you post?Try right clicking and opening the image in a new tab. I don't really want to go through them all and re upload but I guess I'll consider it if people can't see the images.
I can see it--I'm stating such due to one thread where I couldn't see an artist's art due to such.
Post by: Shakerag on October 29, 2014, 09:03:00 am
\despite having a GBA (which now resides not gathering dust but as a memento on the shelf u_u)Tsk. I'm still getting mileage out of my GBC. I'd be playing with my GBA SP but I need to get one of those goddamn Y-screwdrivers so I can replace the batteries in my game cartridges.
Post by: Tiruin on October 29, 2014, 09:11:31 am
Tsk. I'm still getting mileage out of my GBC. I'd be playing with my GBA SP but I need to get one of those goddamn Y-screwdrivers so I can replace the batteries in my game cartridges.@_@
Batteries in...game cartridges!? The only problem with my GBA SP (ol' Silver) is that it...somehow can't retain any memory of saved games.
...Perfect for iron man modes in many games. Yet all I've got are RPGs >_<
Ahahaha Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories. No death run. Haa...
I wonder if it's still possible to get it working after...8 years?
Post by: Toaster on October 29, 2014, 09:29:04 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 29, 2014, 09:53:16 am
And how do you think those old game cartridges retain those saved games? Well, certain games. Any game with a clock function in it needed a battery, and apparently some GBA games from 2002 and earlier used SRAM which requires a battery to keep the data saved. Here's a (possibly incomplete list) of GBA games that need a battery:Tsk. I'm still getting mileage out of my GBC. I'd be playing with my GBA SP but I need to get one of those goddamn Y-screwdrivers so I can replace the batteries in my game cartridges.@_@
Batteries in...game cartridges!? The only problem with my GBA SP (ol' Silver) is that it...somehow can't retain any memory of saved games.
- Baseball Advance
- Boktai 1, 2 and 3 (JP)
- Bomberman Tournament
- Breath of Fire
- Breath of Fire II
- Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
- Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
- Dragonball Z Collectible Card Game
- Hamtaro: Ham-Ham Heartbreak
- Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land
- Krazy Racers
- Lego Bionicle
- Lego Island 2: The Brickster's Revenge
- MegaMan Battle Network
- MegaMan Zero
- Metroid Fusion (Only some use a battery)
- Metroid Zero Mission
- Monster Rancher Advance
- Monster Rancher Advance 2
- Pokemon Emerald (Not for saving, but for other game events)
- Pokemon Ruby (Not for saving, but for other game events)
- Pokemon Sapphire (Not for saving, but for other game events)
- Super Dodgeball Advance
- Warioland 4
The fun part is replacing it. Due to non-standard screws and the goddamn battery being soldered in >_<
Post by: Tiruin on October 29, 2014, 10:16:19 am
Also...err, I really don't know why the save games get wiped. I take care of my cartridges; lasted me...around more than half of the time I had it. It died around ~3 years ago approximately.
...That or I never got to charge it right. Seemed like the charger died.
My dad still plays Tetris on my original Game Boy. That thing is old enough to buy booze now.You're very awesome.
And your dad is very awesome.
...GB Color? @_@ That's the earliest version of the Game Boy I know (Color > Advance > SP...anyway)
Post by: flabort on October 29, 2014, 11:53:02 am
Post by: Toaster on October 29, 2014, 12:06:12 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Still running strong.
Post by: notquitethere on October 29, 2014, 12:09:33 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 29, 2014, 12:16:52 pm
Also, there was the gameboy pocket which came before the gameboy colour. Nowadays I'd just emulate GBA games on my phone.Nothing can bring back my 72(or so?) Yoshi eggs from Super Mario Advance in the GBA. NOTHING!
Unless you consider the hours put into it >__>
But seriously: argh ._.
The unfun thing for me is you remember the memories, but the darn NAME of the game! :-\
Post by: Shakerag on October 29, 2014, 12:20:10 pm
Also, there was the gameboy pocket which came before the gameboy colour. Nowadays I'd just emulate GBA games on my phone.My blue Gameboy pocket is the oldest handheld that I have that still works. I had two of the original Gameboys, but they both had the screen die on them.
No, wait, I take that back. Apparently the Atari Lynx came out before the Gameboy pocket. So that's the oldest working handheld I have.
Post by: mastahcheese on October 29, 2014, 12:22:22 pm
I know those feels.
Post by: TolyK on October 29, 2014, 12:26:39 pm
Only have Pokemon Yellow on it, that I've beaten at least 6 times.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 29, 2014, 01:57:06 pm
Post by: Shakerag on October 29, 2014, 02:09:59 pm
I still have my gameboy colour in the left drawer of my desk- haven't played on it in a while, but it's pretty good for when there are blackouts.Do you hold the flashlight in your teeth when playing then?
Post by: TolyK on October 29, 2014, 02:10:31 pm
Blackouts you say.
There's no backlighting in Colors...
>.>
PPE: DAMMIT SHAKERAG YOU NINJA'D ME YOU'RE GETTING A NINJA ROLE
Post by: Cheeetar on October 29, 2014, 02:16:19 pm
I still have my gameboy colour in the left drawer of my desk- haven't played on it in a while, but it's pretty good for when there are blackouts.Do you hold the flashlight in your teeth when playing then?
No, I hold it in my lap, or I get a candle. Generally it isn't dark out when there's a blackout though- I can just sit by the window where there's sunlight and stuff.
Post by: Tiruin on October 29, 2014, 06:33:01 pm
The emulator that I used to play those games was bugged and couldn't save, so I had to play through KH: Chain of Memories and Bleach: Dark Souls without saving.Knowing it'll all be gone when the battery runs out and/or a single death and that no matter how far ya go it'll be *poof*'d away later?
I know those feels.
Yeah, love the lesson from those feels: You still did it, the journey and the thought counts, and even if its futile and unrecorded, your memory records such a thing better than tangible tech.
...Did you play as Riku or as Sora, and was it the harder newgame++? x3
Post by: mastahcheese on October 30, 2014, 10:24:18 am
If I still had it, I'd be playing it.
Post by: Jack A T on November 07, 2014, 12:30:00 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 11, 2014, 11:28:41 pm
Moar (http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5d/c6/03/5dc6034a875d7d6c2ce2d81b332d02df.jpg) mafia (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=799&q=mafia+cat&oq=mafia+cat&gs_l=img.3..0l2j0i24l2j0i10i24j0i24l5.3131.4075.0.4289.9.7.0.0.0.0.213.754.0j2j2.4.0....0...1ac.1.58.img..5.4.722.9DW1XH8O7zQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=1baC4-6298hPKM%253A%3BGg_dkOAaHbg7PM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcdn.motinetwork.net%252Fmotifake.com%252Fimage%252Fdemotivational-poster%252F0908%252Fmafia-cat-demotivational-poster-1250699800.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.motifake.com%252Fmafia-cat-demotivational-posters-67982.html%3B640%3B479) cat (http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/picture/petros753/n512093931_21873_9106.jpg) pictures! (http://rs1img.memecdn.com/don-amp-039-t-double-cross-the-cat-mafia_o_3076049.jpg)Any more funny cats I'm going to put over here.
This is way too much fun to search.
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Post by: 4maskwolf on December 14, 2014, 05:35:27 pm
Hey.
Guess what day it is on Wednesday?
Spoiler: that's right (click to show/hide)
Post by: mastahcheese on December 15, 2014, 09:14:12 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 15, 2014, 02:04:01 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on December 15, 2014, 05:27:06 pm
Post by: TolyK on December 15, 2014, 11:18:49 pm
You still have a ways away to being born, though.
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 18, 2014, 10:47:08 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 18, 2014, 11:12:06 pm
Quote from: Persus13, CYOM2 deadchat
Also, Tiruin, you've managed to be completely fooled by one of the scumteam. Not sure if it's because he's being really clever or really incompetent.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 19, 2014, 12:00:47 am
Post by: TolyK on December 19, 2014, 02:42:54 am
I tend to be the most dubious in IRL games, which usually causes everyone to lynch me D1.
That said, IRL I usually kill myself as mafia, then get doctor'd. But that's a different story...
Post by: notquitethere on December 19, 2014, 06:19:49 am
Post by: mastahcheese on December 19, 2014, 09:22:46 am
The sheer level of bullshit being spewed could fertalize the ground for years to come.
Post by: Persus13 on December 19, 2014, 10:00:31 am
A little gem I found about me in a gamechat:Thanks, I liked that too.Quote from: Persus13, CYOM2 deadchatAlso, Tiruin, you've managed to be completely fooled by one of the scumteam. Not sure if it's because he's being really clever or really incompetent.
I don't know if I'll be playing CYOM 3 because I'll probably be lynched D1 for being scum for the third time in a row.
GBU was awesome to play.I've actually been thinking of running another one with a few more town power roles (Jailkeeper, some other power role), but I just need to find a way for the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly to have conflicting wincons so they don't team up with each other and the Confederates, and find a good time to open sign ups.
The sheer level of bullshit being spewed could fertalize the ground for years to come.
Post by: notquitethere on December 22, 2014, 07:37:29 pm
Maybe Mephanesteras will run one of his boardgames (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137872.0)?
Post by: Mephansteras on December 22, 2014, 07:39:11 pm
Post by: notquitethere on December 22, 2014, 07:42:20 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 01, 2015, 09:37:06 pm
(Perplexicon was a RTD game (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119572.0) by Piecewise based on casting spells built from magic words in a book. The catch is no one knows what the words do until you try them and figure it out.)
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 02, 2015, 03:41:34 am
Post by: TolyK on January 02, 2015, 04:06:21 am
Also, how do my players feel about continuing KYOSN starting the 5th?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 02, 2015, 09:08:07 am
I've been working on a mafia helper bot in C++ to help with IRL GMing, anyone interested?
Also, how do my players feel about continuing KYOSN starting the 5th?
Yes and yes.
Post by: Persus13 on January 02, 2015, 01:22:56 pm
I've been working on a mafia helper bot in C++ to help with IRL GMing, anyone interested?Both sound good. Posting in thread about KYOSN might be good.
Also, how do my players feel about continuing KYOSN starting the 5th?
Post by: pisskop on January 15, 2015, 12:07:37 am
Ive been trying to keep an eye out for a game to start for awhile now, but cannot seem to find one.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 15, 2015, 10:15:18 am
[sigh]It may be a while, we've got two bastard mods running right now.
Ive been trying to keep an eye out for a game to start for awhile now, but cannot seem to find one.
You can always sign up to replace, if you want to. I may need another replacement soon, depending on the state of Deathsword's health.
Edit: depending on things, and how many other people want to run games, I may be running The Guardians sometime after Operation Overlord, I still have work to do on Explorer Five before it is fully ready. Although there are a few problems with The Guardians right now that I need to work out before the game starts, so Explorer Five may end up being run first.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 16, 2015, 11:06:49 pm
And Cheese?
There will be a reckoning :P
Post by: mastahcheese on January 16, 2015, 11:19:29 pm
Hehehe I'm looking forward to playing in the next KotM.Hey, you can blame me for shooting you all you want.
And Cheese?
There will be a reckoning :P
...I got nothing to say after that. :P
Post by: Mephansteras on January 17, 2015, 02:27:38 am
[sigh]
Ive been trying to keep an eye out for a game to start for awhile now, but cannot seem to find one.
Paranormal 24 is now in signups.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 17, 2015, 03:42:02 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 17, 2015, 10:47:08 pm
Because of reasons Mafia's pretty far from my priority right now (I haven't even signed up for Paranormal if that's any indication) but I won't shirk my duty on this. Soon, I'd say.
Post by: pisskop on January 17, 2015, 11:04:56 pm
o.o[sigh]
Ive been trying to keep an eye out for a game to start for awhile now, but cannot seem to find one.
Paranormal 24 is now in signups.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 17, 2015, 11:06:08 pm
Oh shit...o.o[sigh]
Ive been trying to keep an eye out for a game to start for awhile now, but cannot seem to find one.
Paranormal 24 is now in signups.
The last spot just got taken...
Post by: zombie urist on January 17, 2015, 11:11:19 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 21, 2015, 09:55:37 pm
I'm sorry to all of those I've upset.
Thank you for all the good times I've had here, particularly in this subsection. Thank you for welcoming me as a new player and helping me to learn the game. And I hope you continue to have fun and enjoy many more mafia games to come.
Adios, amigos.
~4maskwolf
Post by: Toaster on January 21, 2015, 11:32:29 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 21, 2015, 11:36:00 pm
While I certainly hope you reconsider, I'd like to thank you for some fun if you don't. This is for you and everyone. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=138325.0)Ohgodsmytears.
This is amazing.
Post by: TolyK on January 22, 2015, 12:40:37 am
4mask, thank you for your shenanigans. ;)
Post by: Persus13 on January 22, 2015, 12:56:04 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 22, 2015, 09:39:15 am
In other news, elsewhere on the forums (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=147784.0) there's a mexican standoff game with some mafia-like aspects that might be of interest.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 22, 2015, 10:15:26 am
Sorry to hear you go. You quitting the forum in general, or just the Mafia portion of it?The forum in general.
Who hasn't vowed never to come back again? The urge to mafia will return.That's part of the reason why I'm leaving the whole forum.
In other news, elsewhere on the forums (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=147784.0) there's a mexican standoff game with some mafia-like aspects that might be of interest.
Alright, enough about me, enjoy your mafia everyone!
Post by: TolyK on January 22, 2015, 01:06:50 pm
Who hasn't vowed never to come back again?
* raises hand *
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 22, 2015, 07:58:01 pm
Who hasn't vowed never to come back again?
* raises hand *
*raises hand, too*
Post by: hector13 on January 22, 2015, 07:59:26 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 22, 2015, 09:44:37 pm
Stop being pedantic :P
Post by: Nerjin on January 22, 2015, 11:57:45 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 22, 2015, 11:59:10 pm
I didn't choose the leaving life. The leaving life chose me. But I'm probably just gonna lurk around for a while. I have wanted to play a game but... Y'know how college is.You need to play a game, Nerjin.
We need...
*Puts on shades*
The Revolver
Post by: Nerjin on January 23, 2015, 12:01:06 am
Post by: mastahcheese on January 23, 2015, 12:03:59 am
The severed part sails off in an arc
Post by: hector13 on January 23, 2015, 12:08:45 pm
/me fist-bumps the skyI initially wondered how the sky sailing off in an arc would work. Then I realised you meant your hand.
The severed part sails off in an arc
I think maybe you're just so awesome that it went that way.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 23, 2015, 05:31:31 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 23, 2015, 09:10:12 pm
is there a way to find all of a specific persons post within a thread? Like, searching, but for a poster rather than words.
Ctrl+F their signature is the best way I've discovered.
Actually, would anybody think that adding a word or phrase to your posts is a good idea? Something 'unique', like 'blunderbuss', or one given to each slot at game start?
To make searching easier.
Post by: Vector on January 23, 2015, 09:17:04 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 23, 2015, 09:18:00 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 23, 2015, 10:04:40 pm
We need to catalog people's signatures and personal texts.
Totally not creepy at all.
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2015, 10:50:45 pm
you guys DO know that the lurkertracker does that, right?._.
Where was this information before and wow I am enlightened.
Where's the manual for the lurketracker? ;_; It seems a bit broken at times (with how it found posts in 4maskwolf's Operation Mafia, it was...all over the place and at times, not in many places [some people have their correct posts found, and some...have only 2 or 3])
Post by: mastahcheese on January 23, 2015, 11:03:17 pm
No idea what's with it.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 23, 2015, 11:04:24 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 23, 2015, 11:07:52 pm
Operation mafia makes it sound like we're in a hospital.Someone needs to do that.
All townies are doctors.
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2015, 11:11:34 pm
Mafia is that 50% save/kill doctor.Operation mafia makes it sound like we're in a hospital.Someone needs to do that.
All townies are doctors.
SK is [not a mental patient because that just reinforces the -_- regarding such ideas] would be the security guard. Because he keeps people out of the hospital
Kills are creative--people don't die. They get healed and get out of the hospital. :v
Much fun. Much silly.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 23, 2015, 11:12:21 pm
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Medical_Mafia (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Medical_Mafia)Operation mafia makes it sound like we're in a hospital.Someone needs to do that.
All townies are doctors.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mayo_Clinic (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mayo_Clinic)
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Operating_Room (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Operating_Room)
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Quack_Mafia (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Quack_Mafia)
Post by: mastahcheese on January 23, 2015, 11:23:01 pm
*Sips his wine*
Post by: flabort on January 23, 2015, 11:39:58 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 23, 2015, 11:41:37 pm
I had about 95% of a Mafia game idea on my old computer.
I wish I still had that. :I
Post by: TolyK on January 24, 2015, 03:54:01 am
I also need to work on my deadlines. <.<
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2015, 12:47:52 pm
If anyone wants to try their hand at a bastard mod but can't think of any ideas, I've got a few half-planned games on the backburner if you want one. None of them are finalized, and many of them are just rough sketches, so feel free to do what you want with them. Just PM me and I'll pop back online and give you the options. I'll probably keep a list of game names in the OP, but if you PM me I'll give you the actual tricks behind each of the games.
Post by: Scripten on January 24, 2015, 12:57:35 pm
Oh, and one more thing.
If anyone wants to try their hand at a bastard mod but can't think of any ideas, I've got a few half-planned games on the backburner if you want one. None of them are finalized, and many of them are just rough sketches, so feel free to do what you want with them. Just PM me and I'll pop back online and give you the options. I'll probably keep a list of game names in the OP, but if you PM me I'll give you the actual tricks behind each of the games.
Not a bastard game, but I'm still fiddling with Battletech mafia on occasion. I can open up the design document for perusal. Best part is, its current form is closed but non-bastard, so seeing setups doesn't preclude you from playing.
Post by: Toaster on January 24, 2015, 01:03:42 pm
Post by: zombie urist on January 24, 2015, 02:48:54 pm
Where's the manual for the lurketracker? ;_; It seems a bit broken at times (with how it found posts in 4maskwolf's Operation Mafia, it was...all over the place and at times, not in many places [some people have their correct posts found, and some...have only 2 or 3])I promise I'll work lurkertracker some time in the future.
Post by: zombie urist on January 24, 2015, 02:50:02 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2015, 01:51:42 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 25, 2015, 01:52:36 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2015, 01:53:16 pm
Joe is a new mod, if by new you mean never done it. I could be interested.Joe?
Post by: pisskop on January 25, 2015, 01:53:31 pm
3rd person referencing is the best.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2015, 01:56:07 pm
Edit: Watching an anonymous gopher scroll through my document is amusing.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2015, 10:39:03 pm
Post by: zombie urist on January 30, 2015, 08:13:55 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 30, 2015, 08:26:59 pm
Post by: Execute/Dumbo.exe on February 04, 2015, 07:12:07 pm
So a group of 10 random schlubs with a glint in their eye get put into a big house and told their own alignment, the Mafia can perform a night kill every game day (3-5 real life days), all inhabitants of Mafia tower have recreational activities and can go anywhere inside the house except for breakfast, lunch and dinner where they have to be present, to ask and answer questions.
At the end of each game day, all participants are to either present a lynch victim or abstain from voting, If someone is voted off, everyone is presented their role.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 04, 2015, 07:19:31 pm
Post by: Execute/Dumbo.exe on February 04, 2015, 07:53:39 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Course, the rules of mafia aren't set in stone, so perhaps there might just be no serial killer.
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2015, 10:43:57 pm
I approve.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 04, 2015, 10:57:32 pm
Post by: pisskop on February 04, 2015, 10:58:23 pm
Post by: Jack A T on February 04, 2015, 11:29:53 pm
I'm sure if you gave it to the people who produce reality TV they'd fine a way to make it tedious and unenjoyable, but it's a very fun concept.Terrible reality TV mafia needs to be a forum mafia setup.
How to win: earn the most money (or be in the top 3 or something). Completing one's wincon gives a large, but not overwhelming, amount of money.
Everyone has a post restriction, forcing them to behave according to their assigned personality (ultra-kind, arrogant, Org, etc.). If they don't, they lose money. In addition, force the players to complete (often ridiculous and/or counterproductive) challenges throughout the game to get money.
Another point: every day, there has to be some game-changing desperately made attention-grabbing gimmick.
Finally, PMs are allowed and strongly encouraged.
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2015, 11:36:43 pm
Heheheh. I like this. A lot.I'm sure if you gave it to the people who produce reality TV they'd fine a way to make it tedious and unenjoyable, but it's a very fun concept.Terrible reality TV mafia needs to be a forum mafia setup.
How to win: earn the most money (or be in the top 3 or something). Completing one's wincon gives a large, but not overwhelming, amount of money.
Everyone has a post restriction, forcing them to behave according to their assigned personality (ultra-kind, arrogant, Org, etc.). If they don't, they lose money. In addition, force the players to complete (often ridiculous and/or counterproductive) challenges throughout the game to get money.
Another point: every day, there has to be some game-changing desperately made attention-grabbing gimmick.
Finally, PMs are allowed and strongly encouraged.
Post by: Teneb on February 05, 2015, 10:45:40 am
Seconded.Heheheh. I like this. A lot.I'm sure if you gave it to the people who produce reality TV they'd fine a way to make it tedious and unenjoyable, but it's a very fun concept.Terrible reality TV mafia needs to be a forum mafia setup.
How to win: earn the most money (or be in the top 3 or something). Completing one's wincon gives a large, but not overwhelming, amount of money.
Everyone has a post restriction, forcing them to behave according to their assigned personality (ultra-kind, arrogant, Org, etc.). If they don't, they lose money. In addition, force the players to complete (often ridiculous and/or counterproductive) challenges throughout the game to get money.
Another point: every day, there has to be some game-changing desperately made attention-grabbing gimmick.
Finally, PMs are allowed and strongly encouraged.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 05, 2015, 05:37:43 pm
So it's a Mafia game that entices everyone to act like a jester?Seconded.Heheheh. I like this. A lot.I'm sure if you gave it to the people who produce reality TV they'd fine a way to make it tedious and unenjoyable, but it's a very fun concept.Terrible reality TV mafia needs to be a forum mafia setup.
How to win: earn the most money (or be in the top 3 or something). Completing one's wincon gives a large, but not overwhelming, amount of money.
Everyone has a post restriction, forcing them to behave according to their assigned personality (ultra-kind, arrogant, Org, etc.). If they don't, they lose money. In addition, force the players to complete (often ridiculous and/or counterproductive) challenges throughout the game to get money.
Another point: every day, there has to be some game-changing desperately made attention-grabbing gimmick.
Finally, PMs are allowed and strongly encouraged.
I'd play.
Post by: Jack A T on February 10, 2015, 12:46:29 am
Post by: Peradon on February 10, 2015, 01:00:55 am
Alright, I'll start seriously planning it out. Perhaps I'll even finish and run it eventually.Good... Sounds like it would mess everything about mafia up.......
Post by: hector13 on February 10, 2015, 09:02:52 am
Alright, I'll start seriously planning it out. Perhaps I'll even finish and run it eventually.Good... Sounds like it would mess everything about mafia up.......
It'd just make it more entertaining ;)
I look forward to it.
Post by: TolyK on February 10, 2015, 01:50:00 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 10, 2015, 11:47:33 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 11, 2015, 05:10:17 am
Alright, I'll start seriously planning it out. Perhaps I'll even finish and run it eventually.
So it's a Mafia game that entices everyone to act like a jester?I'd play and be the last Jester standing :v
I'd play.
In other words, I'd play and really be serious there. Like here. But exams are killing me x_x (Sorry Meph and co)
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 18, 2015, 08:26:04 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on February 18, 2015, 08:26:54 pm
Some of the most interesting games have been run by people with minimal experience.
Post by: notquitethere on February 18, 2015, 08:30:12 pm
Just wondering, how many games do you recommend I play before I start modding? I would really like to try modding a game but I want lots of mafia experience before then.Probably not a hard-and-fast number. I think I played in 6 games before running a small one myself but there's no requirements here. Obviously, the more people know your name, the more they'll trust you to run a game but usually you won't struggle to find players.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 18, 2015, 08:49:59 pm
Post by: notquitethere on February 18, 2015, 08:52:34 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 18, 2015, 11:36:07 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 18, 2015, 11:37:21 pm
When I am ready to start, do I have to put the game in the threshold? or are small games just allowed to go?put it in threshhold, I'd say.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 18, 2015, 11:46:41 pm
Post by: UXLZ on February 19, 2015, 04:50:13 pm
Post by: Toaster on February 25, 2015, 03:58:05 pm
Another point: every day, there has to be some game-changing desperately made attention-grabbing gimmick.
Politibastard (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=100355.msg2967703#msg2967703) was far and away the best game I played here that incorporated gameplay shifts. It's a great read (and an awesome concept that kept everyone guessing.)
Post by: Tiruin on February 26, 2015, 05:00:44 am
For posterity, I was really basing my knowledge of politics there off LCS ._. despite knowing better.Another point: every day, there has to be some game-changing desperately made attention-grabbing gimmick.
Politibastard (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=100355.msg2967703#msg2967703) was far and away the best game I played here that incorporated gameplay shifts. It's a great read (and an awesome concept that kept everyone guessing.)
But yeah, that game was awesome. But I played poorly. :'(
Post by: notquitethere on March 06, 2015, 11:12:15 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 10, 2015, 10:40:14 pm
Post by: Varee on March 18, 2015, 09:50:58 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 18, 2015, 09:53:54 pm
Hey if I start a BYOR game will anyone want to play? Or should I wait until the Persus game is done?Hmm...
We've had a lot of BYOR's recently, and for your first run it would be better to run something less complicated.
Also, I'm in the process if setting up a game.
Post by: Persus13 on March 19, 2015, 04:35:38 pm
Hey if I start a BYOR game will anyone want to play? Or should I wait until the Persus game is done?I would wait a bit, there's two games in signups currently. Be prepared to be patient, Mafia tends to take a while, and there's a ton of games that people are planning to put out, but haven't yet. I've been wanting to do another GBU game for a few months now.
I would also start smaller than a BYOR. A lot of players are unlikely to join a game like that if they don't know if the mod is reliable yet.
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2015, 04:38:17 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 19, 2015, 05:08:21 pm
Hey if I start a BYOR game will anyone want to play? Or should I wait until the Persus game is done?Considering how many players we have, you should probably wait until there is only one game running. Maybe try running a BM while you wait to get some experience?
I would play that BYOR, by the way, but right now I think more than two games would probably stretch the playerbase.
Post by: Dorsidwarf on March 19, 2015, 05:46:05 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 19, 2015, 08:41:10 pm
I still like the idea of Wikipedia Mafia, where you get two random pages, and you can choose to retool one.
Retool?
Post by: Tiruin on March 19, 2015, 08:49:30 pm
So...instead of voting others because of suspicion, or the FOS, one can just easily put [citation needed], even without the blue context?I still like the idea of Wikipedia Mafia, where you get two random pages, and you can choose to retool one.
Retool?
This has my whole approval.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 19, 2015, 10:37:42 pm
Sound interesting?
Post by: Cheeetar on March 19, 2015, 10:45:33 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2015, 11:12:35 pm
Post by: zombie urist on March 19, 2015, 11:16:09 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2015, 11:26:23 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 20, 2015, 04:42:00 am
Post by: Shakerag on March 20, 2015, 09:09:41 am
As in, each player has to submit a turn like in a standard RTD, and things are processed from there.
Side thought: Each player's turns are PMed to the mod?
Player1: Ask RVS question to Player 3.
Player2: Attempt gambit on Player 1. (something like this and the following would have to be PMed.)
Player3: Start bandwagon on Player 2.
P1 - (2) - "Player1 asks an awkward RVS question to Player3."
P3 - (5) - "Player3 responds skillfully and makes Player1 look like he was rolefishing!"
P2 - (6) - "Player2 picks up on Player1's rolefishing, and now Player1 looks downright scummy!"
P3 - (3) - "Player3 tries to call Player2 on his gambit, but everyone's attention is still on Player1."
In the spirit of RTDs often going batshit crazy, there should be little structure at the outset. Maybe just a scum team and a town team (with the option of a cult spontaneously forming if someone gets awful/awesome rolls).
Night actions example:
P1 (vanilla town) - Inspect P2 - (1) - PM: "You're not sure about this cop business, but P2 looks like town to you. However, you weren't exactly careful trying to investigate P2, so now everyone is looking at you funny." (P1 is now miller, has negative modifier when defending against suspicion actions)
P2 (vanilla town) - Inspect P3 - (5) - PM: "You never thought about being a cop before, but how hard can it be to rifle through someone's junk to find clues? Apparently not very hard. But P3 leads a pretty boring life, and you don't find anything suspicious." (P2 becomes town cop, gets bonus on further investigative actions?)
P3 (vanilla town) - Kill P1 - (1) - PM: "You've never killed a person before, but all you got to do is stick the pointy end in their soft bits, right? P1 is totally suspicious, so you're doing the town a favor. Unfortunately, breaking and entering is significantly harder, and by the time you get the door open, P1 is ready with a 2x4. You are dead." (P1 becomes PGO)
This is actually kind of amusing me now. I'd consider running something like this if there's interest. Although I think it should more go in the RTD subforum, since it's more like a mafia-flavored RTD.
Post by: Persus13 on March 20, 2015, 09:58:32 am
One of my ideas for a GBU sequel was having the The Good and the Ugly run a sort of RTD adventure where they are trying to blow up a bridge to end the game, and that's how they win. However, I still haven't' worked out how to keep the two of them invested in the game other than making both town and Confederates lose when they win or something.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 20, 2015, 10:55:22 am
1. action fails and everybody find out which player was targetted, but not by who./vote fails
2. action fails, but nobody knows about it./vote succeeds (vote should be pretty constant
3. action suceeds/vote succeeds.
4. Action succeeds/vote succeeds
5.Action succeeds and you get information about who else targetted your player. /vote succeeds
6. You get a second copy of your action and can target someone else./doublevoter.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 21, 2015, 01:23:35 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 21, 2015, 01:36:25 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 21, 2015, 02:34:23 pm
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My games:Spoiler: Town 5/17 (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Scum 3/9 (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Third Party 0/1 (click to show/hide)
In general, if I get lynched as town, the town loses. Which is just about every town game. My current total is 8/27, so 29.6%. Who are the people who manage the corresponding 70% win rates?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 21, 2015, 02:36:01 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 21, 2015, 02:39:21 pm
In general, if I get lynched as town, the town loses. Which is just about every town game. My current total is 8/27, so 29.6%. Who are the people who manage the corresponding 70% win rates?I've got a 80% winrate, though the statistics are likely off due to only having played five games.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 21, 2015, 02:43:15 pm
You are, more specifically:In general, if I get lynched as town, the town loses. Which is just about every town game. My current total is 8/27, so 29.6%. Who are the people who manage the corresponding 70% win rates?I've got a 80% winrate, though the statistics are likely off due to only having played five games.
Town (3/4):
BM 51 (win)
Operation Overlord (win)
BM Sprint 3 (win)
Choose-your-own-mafias (loss)
Scum (1/1):
Paranormal 24 (win)
Post by: flabort on March 21, 2015, 03:12:43 pm
Spoiler: Town 3/6 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Scum 3/3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third Party 0/3 (click to show/hide)
Post by: mastahcheese on March 21, 2015, 06:55:23 pm
Spoiler: Town 6/8 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Scum 3/3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third Party 0/2 (click to show/hide)
75% win record as town, 100% win record as scum (not counting the conversion incident) and my one attempt as a serial killer failed.
Clearly, I need to lose more often.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 21, 2015, 07:06:41 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 21, 2015, 07:12:41 pm
Should I count scum IC games as scum wins/losses?I would
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 21, 2015, 07:18:36 pm
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My games:Spoiler: Town 5/17 (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Scum 5/11 (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Third Party 0/1 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Persus13 on March 21, 2015, 09:00:01 pm
Never did this the first time around, so doing it now. Realized I've played 3 games the whole way through where I wasn't town.
Spoiler: Town games 8/15 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Scum games 1/2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third Party games 0/1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Replacement games (click to show/hide)
Post by: flabort on March 21, 2015, 09:35:20 pm
I did.Should I count scum IC games as scum wins/losses?I would
Post by: Teneb on March 21, 2015, 10:05:04 pm
Spoiler: Town Wins 3/13 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Scum Wins 3/6 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Third Party Wins 1/2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Other(from bastards/special setups) Wins 2.5/4 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Replacements 7 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 21, 2015, 10:31:11 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on March 22, 2015, 12:08:49 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2015, 08:19:43 am
Absolutely. It's also, I've found, the most fun you can have in Mafia, win or lose.I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. All of the gambits.
I find it rather amusing to read back through my older games and game ideas to see what I can salvage from them. I'm currently reading through The Greatest Battle of Orbfalls and all the things that went right and wrong about that game.
Edit: Holy Carp. Looking through my google docs, I just found a fully-built bastard mod sitting in an ancient document. Well then, I'm going to run that sometime in the future.
Post by: notquitethere on March 24, 2015, 01:00:54 pm
Fail to give a fuck (7 actions)
Post by: Toaster on March 24, 2015, 01:17:25 pm
It's also the game that caused Dariush to rage-quit Bay12 for good:Fail to give a fuck (7 actions)
YOU BASTARD! IT WAS YOU
Post by: notquitethere on March 24, 2015, 01:29:56 pm
YOU BASTARD! IT WAS YOUI didn't mean to. I thought I was actually being quite grown-up letting him play in my game after he'd been such an abominable git. He really added something to this mafia community. And that something was unbridled rage and unnecessary shit-flinging.
Post by: zombie urist on March 24, 2015, 02:00:49 pm
Dariush's last post was exactly a year ago.
In 5 days (March 29th) Dariush's account will be 5 years old.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 24, 2015, 02:07:07 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 24, 2015, 05:50:57 pm
Happy anniversary, Dariush.Did you ever interact with him? Either here or anywhere else? Just curious.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 24, 2015, 05:55:23 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 24, 2015, 07:51:37 pm
DA is a nice guy.Happy anniversary, Dariush.Did you ever interact with him? Either here or anywhere else? Just curious.
Also, I miss Dariush, despite the partly offensive grumpiness he has, he's got a nice spot there.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 24, 2015, 07:55:28 pm
Who can fill the void of telling people to go eat maggot shit and die in a fire? Nobody.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 24, 2015, 08:05:11 pm
Who can fill the void of telling people to go eat maggot shit and die in a fire? Nobody.Challenge accepted.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 24, 2015, 08:07:19 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 24, 2015, 09:28:02 pm
I'm going to pretend that this wasn't a joke because it's funnier that way :PWhat else am I supposed to do in Advanced Placement Physics?[joke]Says the person with the highest postcount in pretty much every game they play.[/joke]I recommend doing what 4mask suggested. Calm down, don't treat this as life-and-death. To me, and many others, this is a fun pastime and not a hobby. Treat it like a game and not a competition.Is this your strategy for not getting lynched? I don't think it is working.it's a process; I'm learning.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 24, 2015, 09:30:56 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 24, 2015, 09:34:41 pm
wrong thread there buddy.I didn't want it derailing, so I moved it.
Post by: notquitethere on April 02, 2015, 10:31:39 am
Post by: Shakerag on April 02, 2015, 11:56:52 am
I like your avatar 4mask...It is terrifying.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2015, 12:23:09 pm
Indeed.I like your avatar 4mask...It is terrifying.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 02, 2015, 01:04:30 pm
I like your avatar 4mask...I think you know EXACTLY who is to blame for that picture's existance.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2015, 01:00:15 pm
Assuming the forum does its own count correctly, I am easily among the top 25 most prolific posters on this subforum (and probably among the top 20), with 4.51% of the posts here attributed to me. I've always been slightly suspicious of the forum percentage counter, but who knows, maybe it's correct.
Now I'm kind of curious about what the top 20 list of posters looks like...
From a brief personal research (which will be expanded later):
Webadict: 9489
Pandarsenic: 6382
Toaster: 6267
ToonyMan: 6185
Tiruin: 5747
Vector: 5737
Leafsnail: 5483
Org: 4623
Jim Groovester: 4285
Mephansteras: 4264
Dakarian: 3184
Mr. Person: 3015
4maskwolf: 2656
Cheeetar: 2406
notquitethere: 2378
Dariush: 2359
TolyK: 2192
Darvi: 1969
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2015, 01:09:52 pm
Huh......And out of all these people, 4maskwolf is somehow one of the new-gen Mafia players. The rest are all vets. :P
Assuming the forum does its own count correctly, I am easily among the top 25 most prolific posters on this subforum (and probably among the top 20), with 4.51% of the posts here attributed to me. I've always been slightly suspicious of the forum percentage counter, but who knows, maybe it's correct.
Now I'm kind of curious about what the top 20 list of posters looks like...
From a brief personal research (which will be expanded later):
Webadict: 9489
Leafsnail: 5483
Jim Groovester: 4285
Mephansteras: 4264
4maskwolf: 2656
TolyK: 2192
Spammer *joking* :P
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2015, 01:12:37 pm
Not so high, it seems.
Post by: flabort on April 06, 2015, 01:55:53 pm
Edit: Tiruin has 5747, beating Leafsnail.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 06, 2015, 01:59:33 pm
EDIT: never mind, found it. 635 posts by me. (All within 4 months)
Post by: notquitethere on April 06, 2015, 02:30:06 pm
Post by: Vector on April 06, 2015, 02:32:10 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2015, 02:52:08 pm
My predilection for huge posts rather than masses of small posts might artficially dampen it.I think my postcount is more time-related than anything else: as a high school student, I have the time to respond to individual posts as they occur (which also makes me come across as spammy sometimes). The highest postcount usually waffles between me and origamiscienceguy during most games. I also have a tendency to post whenever I think of something new rather than waiting for later.
I also play in most every non-beginner game, so...
Post by: Persus13 on April 06, 2015, 02:54:14 pm
Huh...The Banter thread might be partly responsible for your large number of Mafia subforum posts.
Assuming the forum does its own count correctly, I am easily among the top 25 most prolific posters on this subforum (and probably among the top 20), with 4.51% of the posts here attributed to me. I've always been slightly suspicious of the forum percentage counter, but who knows, maybe it's correct.
Now I'm kind of curious about what the top 20 list of posters looks like...
From a brief personal research (which will be expanded later):
Webadict: 9489
Tiruin: 5747
Vector: 5737
Leafsnail: 5483
Jim Groovester: 4285
Mephansteras: 4264
4maskwolf: 2656
notquitethere: 2378
TolyK: 2192
How do Mastahcheese and flabort have more posts than me? I only have 1131!
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2015, 02:56:31 pm
Edit: And Toaster has usurped his crown.
Edit 2: Alright I went through the mafia subboard and clicked on the names of people I could see from the main screen (I didn't actually go into any games to find all of the players, I'm not going to spend that much time on this).
Edit 3:
The Banter thread might be partly responsible for your large number of Mafia subforum posts.I actually don't post here hugely often. And flabort has fewer than you you goof.
How do Mastahcheese and flabort have more posts than me? I only have 1131!
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 06, 2015, 03:56:17 pm
Post by: Shakerag on April 06, 2015, 04:12:58 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2015, 05:51:52 pm
How do Mastahcheese and flabort have more posts than me? I only have 1131!Cause I'm a shit-poster. :P
Post by: ToonyMan on April 06, 2015, 09:21:42 pm
FUn fact: ToonyMan has the second most posts on the subforum that I've found so far.That darn contraption stole my King of the Mafia crown as well.
Edit: And Toaster has usurped his crown.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2015, 09:24:10 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 06, 2015, 09:26:26 pm
Yeah, I'm a Junior in High School, so I have time to post small items.My predilection for huge posts rather than masses of small posts might artficially dampen it.I think my postcount is more time-related than anything else: as a high school student, I have the time to respond to individual posts as they occur (which also makes me come across as spammy sometimes). The highest postcount usually waffles between me and origamiscienceguy during most games. I also have a tendency to post whenever I think of something new rather than waiting for later.
I also play in most every non-beginner game, so...
Out of curiosity, how old is everybody here? I'm 17.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2015, 09:29:35 pm
Out of curiosity, how old is everybody here? I'm 17.It generally says on people's profiles. (Although not always)
I'm 21, nearly 22.
Post by: Silthuri on April 06, 2015, 09:45:49 pm
Out of curiosity, how old is everybody here? I'm 17.
I'm turning 20 next month. ^^
Post by: Peradon on April 06, 2015, 09:49:30 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 06, 2015, 09:49:48 pm
Out of curiosity, how old is everybody here? I'm 17.I'm 19.
As for my post count in the subforum, my prior lack of activity in the discussion threads (Threshold, Banter, Setup Discussion, etc.) and my posting style (I take quite some time to write each post. Much pacing is generally involved.) led to my mere 1472 posts (pretty low for a veteran).
Post by: webadict on April 06, 2015, 09:52:12 pm
I'm one of the old ones at 25.Out of curiosity, how old is everybody here? I'm 17.
I'm turning 20 next month. ^^
And I probably have the highest word count on the subforum, too. Especially since I quoted everything. And typed a lot. Mostly, I just kept track of a lot of things in my head, then attached mental strings to them in some sort of paranoid fashion. Worked pretty well when I wasn't nearly as crazy and a lot more focused on the game.
Post by: Persus13 on April 06, 2015, 10:37:17 pm
I was not expecting to be the same age as you. Although I guess someone being here longer doesn't mean someone is older than me.Out of curiosity, how old is everybody here? I'm 17.I'm 19.
As for my post count in the subforum, my prior lack of activity in the discussion threads (Threshold, Banter, Setup Discussion, etc.) and my posting style (I take quite some time to write each post. Much pacing is generally involved.) led to my mere 1472 posts (pretty low for a veteran).
Post by: Vector on April 06, 2015, 10:55:16 pm
Post by: Nerjin on April 06, 2015, 11:37:16 pm
Old people sex jokes out of the way I might as well reveal my true age. I am, in fact, 31.
Or something. Probably more like 20 -> 21 in June.
But that'd be silly.
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2015, 02:38:10 am
I really, really wish I enjoyed this game as much as I used to.I feel similar here, but still enjoying it.
Though if you want, I could share a tidbit on these things if its ok with you.
Post by: notquitethere on April 07, 2015, 04:27:17 am
Post by: Varee on April 07, 2015, 05:16:25 am
We need to devise a form of mafia that Vector can enjoy. Maybe less about lynching people and more about translating poems.If that happen, invite me too.
Post by: Vector on April 07, 2015, 08:14:47 am
Post by: Shakerag on April 07, 2015, 08:50:13 am
Out of curiosity, how old is everybody here? I'm 17.34. Get off my lawn. And get a haircut and a job while you're at it!
Post by: flabort on April 07, 2015, 08:53:50 am
Also, I got a job Shakerag. :P And had a haircut last week. So I'm just gonna sit here on your lawn anyways.
Post by: hector13 on April 07, 2015, 09:03:08 am
Out of curiosity, how old is everybody here? I'm 17.34. Get off my lawn. And get a haircut and a job while you're at it!
Pfft you're old.
I neither have a job, and I do rather need a haircut. However, of all the players posting so far, I'm the second oldest at 28.
Post by: Shakerag on April 07, 2015, 09:11:59 am
Looks like a lot of players in the early 20s range (where I am too).Meh, that's cool. I don't actually have a lawn -_-
Also, I got a job Shakerag. :P And had a haircut last week. So I'm just gonna sit here on your lawn anyways.
Post by: Teneb on April 07, 2015, 10:01:12 am
Looks like a lot of players in the early 20s range (where I am too).Indeed. 21 (later 22 this year) here.
Post by: notquitethere on April 07, 2015, 10:35:46 am
no longer enjoying arguing people into submission.This is probably more enriching for your character. I like the competitive/dynamic puzzle aspect of mafia more than the unilateral-berating-aspect.
Post by: Vector on April 07, 2015, 10:56:46 am
Post by: Shakerag on April 07, 2015, 11:28:30 am
Eh. and most of my friends are goneMake new ones? >_>
Post by: Vector on April 07, 2015, 11:30:40 am
Post by: Toaster on April 07, 2015, 02:19:24 pm
I'm one of the old ones at 25.
31. I'd be the oldest here, if Shakerag's exposure to assembler didn't unnaturally age him.
/me throws his cane at the damn kids
Also, I talk too much.
I've found that I just can't get into Mafia games like I used to- pretty much every game lately has been me underposting and underperforming.
Post by: Shakerag on April 07, 2015, 03:00:20 pm
underperforming.
I hear they make a pill for that now.
We can always talk about how awesome the 80s were, Toaster.
Post by: Toaster on April 07, 2015, 03:02:19 pm
Post by: zombie urist on April 07, 2015, 04:56:22 pm
Probably more like 20 -> 21 in June.We have almost the same birthday. I'll be 21 at the end of June.
Post by: Cheeetar on April 07, 2015, 07:07:04 pm
Also that I haven't slept well (barring a single blessed two-month period) for something like six years now.
Forgive me for internet diagnosing you- have you ever checked to see if this could be a medical disorder like sleep apnea or something?
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 07, 2015, 10:27:27 pm
Damn kids.
We should have an old fogey's mafia game for people over 25, so that we can all post about how we don't have the time to play it.
Post by: Nerjin on April 07, 2015, 10:31:59 pm
Post by: Vector on April 08, 2015, 12:27:58 am
Post by: Cheeetar on April 08, 2015, 12:43:16 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 08, 2015, 05:55:19 pm
Post by: Dorsidwarf on April 08, 2015, 05:56:39 pm
Post by: notquitethere on April 08, 2015, 06:07:12 pm
Post by: Vector on April 08, 2015, 06:11:52 pm
Post by: notquitethere on April 08, 2015, 06:14:27 pm
Quote
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 08, 2015, 07:52:30 pm
I'm 21 and have no time
I'm 21 and people think I'm cool
I'm 21 and you can be too!
Post by: webadict on April 09, 2015, 09:30:33 am
I always found the puzzle of figuring out exactly how to best push everyone's buttons quite entertaining... :/ The "technologies of logic" approach isn't my favorite, because there's much better logic puzzles to be had. Eh. and most of my friends are goneHeh. I remember when I could pin whether you were mafia or not right off the bat. Those were fun days. If you want one for pushing other people's buttons, I thought it was pretty funny that you very nearly considered leaving games if I was in them.
I can't say I'm that good anymore. I could play mafia at a party, but online mafia just takes too long for me now, which is why I don't play. Stupid having a job and a volatile schedule.
Post by: Toaster on April 09, 2015, 12:15:42 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 10, 2015, 01:09:37 pm
roo (joined recently)
Peradon (joined recently)
Deus Asmoth (joined recently)
Deathsword (joined before me)
TheDarkStar (joined before me, I think)
flabort (joined after me, but close enough I still think of him as part of the same mafia "generation" as me)
origamiscienceguy (joined recently)
Dani (joined recently)
Playergamer (joined recently, I think? At the very least restarted playing recently)
notquitethere (joined before me)
Of which only two players have joined before me that I know of and one that I think joined before me.
Huh.
I also just realized that several people joined after me and then faded out after a few games and aren't here now (Jiokuy and Varee come to mind).
I feel old.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 10, 2015, 01:57:26 pm
Post by: zombie urist on April 10, 2015, 04:10:01 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 10, 2015, 04:58:11 pm
thank mr toady1
Spoiler: Don't say I didn't warn you (click to show/hide)
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 10, 2015, 07:37:39 pm
Also praise be to the mighty Toad.
Post by: Persus13 on April 10, 2015, 10:57:15 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 11, 2015, 11:27:36 pm
I'm really confused now. What are y'all talking about?
Spoiler: grisha5 joke (click to show/hide)
Post by: Execute/Dumbo.exe on April 11, 2015, 11:42:58 pm
I'm really confused now. What are y'all talking about?Ehhh, it's a localised meme coming from this User named Grisha5, after Grisha made a thread saying 'Yo I'm back' it kinda... Spiraled out of control, leading to vandalisation of a wikipedia page which got toady to step in, it came back after... PenguinOfHonour made an April fools thread about grisha5.
Post by: Jack A T on May 21, 2015, 05:52:40 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on May 21, 2015, 07:30:19 pm
I'd love a bit of a discussion of flavour: what people want and/or expect in it, what they see the role of it as being, how they approach writing it, etc. Any thoughts?
What I did is just create a theme, (Aztec sacrifices) and just make up flavor text as the situation demanded it.
Post by: notquitethere on May 22, 2015, 12:29:13 pm
Post by: Jack A T on May 22, 2015, 04:33:32 pm
Post by: Teneb on May 22, 2015, 05:15:13 pm
Also crossposting from the beginner thread since I need an answer on this.
Should the next BM still include the old OP, despite the consensus that it is outdated? If not, should we decide on a new BM OP before the next one starts?
EDIT: ...and ZU goes and answers that in the beginner thread just as I post this here.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 23, 2015, 12:27:16 am
I'd love a bit of a discussion of flavour: what people want and/or expect in it, what they see the role of it as being, how they approach writing it, etc. Any thoughts?
It depends on the game it's in. If it's a Beginner's Mafia or other standard setup I don't really care about the flavor. If it's a Paranormal or other Meph game, I pay attention to the flavor since it's mechanically important. If it's a lordnincompoop game I am going to analyze every word since the flavor is basically the whole point of the game.
Of course, well-written flavor is never a bad thing, but if the flavor isn't well-matched with the game type it's included in, both can suffer. Writing a character-driven novel in a BYOR would be a mistake.
Basically if it's a good match with the game type it's in and it's well-written then the flavor is good.
Post by: Toaster on May 23, 2015, 12:50:06 am
Good flavor can make a good game better, but it's rare for it to be distracting (unless it's a bastard game where players are trying to outguess the mod.)
Post by: Persus13 on May 23, 2015, 12:40:40 pm
My favorite game flavor is probably Jim's opening post to the terminator Beginner's Mafia game he ran awhile ago, because it made me crack up. Do you all have any game's flavor you particularly like or are proud of?
Flavor tends to be one of the first things I think up. GBU for instance I thought up partly because of the flavor, and partly because a game with two different games running within it seemed like a cool idea. Flavor can be fun yet a bit tedious at the same time, but if you change it up it can be fun. In GBU, for instance, I wrote individual backstories for every soldier that I tried to make fairly historical.
Post by: Jack A T on May 23, 2015, 01:16:54 pm
Writing a character-driven novel in a BYOR would be a mistake.Someone has to do this.
Do you all have any game's flavor you particularly like or are proud of?Great flavour: Anything by Tiruin and any of LNCP's flavour-focused games. I also rather enjoyed the flavour for the original CYOM (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137283.0). BYOR 6.3 was also great, particularly the ending. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=76054.msg2081336#msg2081336) As for my best, probably my best moment was the highly assisted suicide (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137849.msg5265837#msg5265837) in NSBM 4.
EDIT: And no discussion of good flavour can go without alien zombie demons (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=67921.0).
Post by: TheDarkStar on May 23, 2015, 02:30:36 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 23, 2015, 04:12:36 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 23, 2015, 07:43:11 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on May 23, 2015, 10:45:39 pm
Post by: Tiruin on May 26, 2015, 04:19:02 am
I have always liked Flavor text. It is probably one of the things that drew me in when I was still playing.^ This. So much.
Good flavortext can make a good game better by adding some humor. Why play a game with a few power roles and an otherwise normal town when you can have alien zombie demons and atrocious spelling?And this one too. :P
I'm planning to run a (non-BM) Mafia when I can *finally* get a stable connection. Hopefully it'll be...ok. -_-
Post by: spruce on May 27, 2015, 07:37:09 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on May 27, 2015, 07:42:28 am
Tomorrow morning I will close sign-ups and the game will start sometime later that day.
Have faith young Baahdawan
Post by: spruce on May 27, 2015, 08:21:41 am
I waited all day yesterday... in like the rain and stuff... Now my wool smells like wet sheep wool.
Post by: spruce on May 27, 2015, 09:52:58 am
Post by: Mephansteras on May 27, 2015, 02:12:36 pm
Post by: webadict on May 29, 2015, 10:22:41 pm
BYOR 6.3 was also great, particularly the ending. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=76054.msg2081336#msg2081336)Wow, that was decent. Who would've thought I could actually write flavor?
Post by: Jack A T on May 29, 2015, 10:25:02 pm
Post by: webadict on May 29, 2015, 10:27:43 pm
It was the right style for that particular game, definitely.KYOSN exists in some sort of weird dimension where someone won, then someone lost/won, and finally, someone probably perpetually lost, but I dunno. I managed to keep sense of the game until genies appeared. I honestly don't know how to go from there.So, who won KYOSN?
Post by: Jack A T on May 29, 2015, 10:29:54 pm
Post by: webadict on May 30, 2015, 12:25:00 am
What exactly was even meant to happen in that game?Well, it wasn't my idea. I just helped tune it and stuff. I didn't pay attention to the whole wish thing, and then it sort of spun out of control.
Post by: Jack A T on May 30, 2015, 12:33:09 am
I didn't pay attention to the whole wish thing, and then it sort of spun out of control.It was in control in the first place?
Anyway, how have you been?
Post by: webadict on May 30, 2015, 02:58:32 am
I believe it had... rules? Maybe?I didn't pay attention to the whole wish thing, and then it sort of spun out of control.It was in control in the first place?
Anyway, how have you been?
As for me, I'm doing well. There's not much else to say other than I've been exercising and doing things better. Trying to figure more things out. I get a bit bored every once in a while and check to see what's up here. I did a half-marathon for the first time ever a couple months ago. Pretty fun stuff.
Post by: notquitethere on June 13, 2015, 02:29:18 am
Post by: flabort on June 13, 2015, 02:42:34 am
Nat veno nat.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 13, 2015, 03:49:37 am
Post by: webadict on June 13, 2015, 08:28:25 am
God dang it.
Post by: Cheeetar on June 13, 2015, 09:17:35 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 13, 2015, 09:44:18 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on June 13, 2015, 01:36:49 pm
Birdy: That pun was terrible. :P
Post by: Generally me on June 14, 2015, 03:48:15 am
Post by: Lenglon on June 14, 2015, 04:53:17 am
Post by: Shakerag on June 15, 2015, 12:56:05 am
I appear to be a Porygon. Beep boop.++
Yay for us?
Post by: Tiruin on June 15, 2015, 01:07:37 am
VulpixThat was my second result when I retook it for double checking (as some questions are too general - but that's a note on me :P)
Post by: pisskop on June 15, 2015, 07:03:19 pm
Like 37 total, I think.
Post by: Nerjin on June 16, 2015, 10:13:55 am
Post by: webadict on June 16, 2015, 02:01:40 pm
When it comes to flavor I find it the most interesting and relaxing part of a game. Writing it is the absolute highlight of my mafia games for me [the few that I've done] and reading it is the pinnacle of joy for me.I've always been a fan of the Smstr W/ Love flavor. High quality.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 16, 2015, 04:52:43 pm
Sure. We can reign supreme when meatbag type pokemon die out.I appear to be a Porygon. Beep boop.++
Yay for us?
Post by: flabort on June 17, 2015, 01:02:17 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 17, 2015, 06:53:39 am
Post by: Comrade Shamrock on June 17, 2015, 02:23:22 pm
Didn't 4mask run a BYOR like that once?You mean this? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=145125.0)
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 18, 2015, 07:38:58 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 18, 2015, 10:41:27 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 18, 2015, 12:23:03 pm
Yeah... unfortunately, I can't exactly mod a game right now, given my current locale...
Post by: Tiruin on June 19, 2015, 05:12:14 am
-Le 4mask is surprised anyone remembered his game-I'll never forget my PokeMafia u_u
It's the closest I think I'll ever get to playing Pokemon, since I never was able to play pokemon when everyone else was playing it (even those in a generation before me.)
Post by: origamiscienceguy on June 19, 2015, 09:29:52 am
Post by: Cheeetar on June 19, 2015, 10:24:02 am
Today is the first day of my first real have-to-pay-the-government-taxes job. Yay!
Congratulations OSG!
Post by: Toaster on June 19, 2015, 10:24:44 am
Post by: Mephansteras on June 19, 2015, 05:56:16 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 19, 2015, 06:04:35 pm
If the spot is available in a week's time, maybe.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 27, 2015, 12:02:08 pm
I have an interesting Mafia game idea which I will PM to the first person to PM me asking for it before four hours pass from now. I can't run it myself because I'm leaving internet behind for a while 4 hours from now.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 28, 2015, 10:39:25 pm
DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS??!?!?!?!
IT'S TIME FOR THE WEEKEND INACTIVITY ANGST!
Because nobody is ever on when it's the weekend!
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 29, 2015, 12:37:58 am
Post by: webadict on June 29, 2015, 07:46:17 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 30, 2015, 09:16:43 am
Post by: notquitethere on June 30, 2015, 09:46:32 pm
People might be interested?
Post by: zombie urist on July 01, 2015, 12:53:13 am
Post by: notquitethere on July 01, 2015, 04:02:17 am
Post by: notquitethere on July 01, 2015, 04:04:09 am
Yay DF Mafia (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=6996034#p6996034) is inned.Let us know how it goes!
Post by: Shakerag on July 14, 2015, 10:25:31 pm
Fun facts: Our moderator today, Teneb? Was scum IC in the first game I ever played, BM 44 The Court of Colors (under the name Deathsword). Our scum IC, Persus13? A player in that game: the jailkeeper (I was cop). Our other IC, notquitethere? Was in my second game and first bastard game, Smstr W/ Love, where he was lynched D1 as supposedly confirmed town (It's complicated). And me? One and a half year veteran of this subforum and runner of two completed main mafia games (The Greatest Battle of Orbfalls and Operation Overlord: Day Five) and one completed BM (BM 48 In a Galaxy Far Far Away).
I found the fun quantity in these facts to be somewhat lacking. Would not read again.
Post by: Tiruin on July 15, 2015, 03:10:38 pm
I've been wondering why I couldn't find Deathsword since ever. Hello Teneb! Something struck me as familiar (despite your signature being the culprit) but I couldn't pinpoint what :PFun facts: Our moderator today, Teneb? Was scum IC in the first game I ever played, BM 44 The Court of Colors (under the name Deathsword). Our scum IC, Persus13? A player in that game: the jailkeeper (I was cop). Our other IC, notquitethere? Was in my second game and first bastard game, Smstr W/ Love, where he was lynched D1 as supposedly confirmed town (It's complicated). And me? One and a half year veteran of this subforum and runner of two completed main mafia games (The Greatest Battle of Orbfalls and Operation Overlord: Day Five) and one completed BM (BM 48 In a Galaxy Far Far Away).
I found the fun quantity in these facts to be somewhat lacking. Would not read again.
Post by: 4maskwolf on July 15, 2015, 03:33:41 pm
I've been wondering why I couldn't find Deathsword since ever. Hello Teneb! Something struck me as familiar (despite your signature being the culprit) but I couldn't pinpoint what :PCongratulations Tiruin, you managed to make me chuckle :D :D
Post by: Persus13 on July 16, 2015, 08:32:41 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on August 26, 2015, 04:56:55 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on August 26, 2015, 05:01:20 pm
So I was thinking of running a superhero themed game, since I don't think there's been one of those here before. But I've only run a couple of basic games in person, which seems fairly different to forum-type stuff. If there's anyone who'd like to look over the role ideas in case I've missed something astoundingly unbalanced it'd be nice.I can look over it, I don't have the time or energy to play any more mafia games beyond those I currently have for the next couple months.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on August 26, 2015, 05:09:29 pm
So I was thinking of running a superhero themed game, since I don't think there's been one of those here before. But I've only run a couple of basic games in person, which seems fairly different to forum-type stuff. If there's anyone who'd like to look over the role ideas in case I've missed something astoundingly unbalanced it'd be nice.I would... but for obvious reasons that likely wouldn't be good enough.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on August 26, 2015, 06:48:29 pm
Post by: flabort on August 26, 2015, 11:45:18 pm
Post by: notquitethere on August 27, 2015, 02:28:15 am
Post by: Shakerag on August 27, 2015, 09:05:09 am
So I was thinking of running a superhero themed game, since I don't think there's been one of those here before. But I've only run a couple of basic games in person, which seems fairly different to forum-type stuff. If there's anyone who'd like to look over the role ideas in case I've missed something astoundingly unbalanced it'd be nice.I could likely give you an nth opinion on that too.
Post by: kilakan on August 28, 2015, 10:46:16 am
So I was thinking of running a superhero themed game, since I don't think there's been one of those here before. But I've only run a couple of basic games in person, which seems fairly different to forum-type stuff. If there's anyone who'd like to look over the role ideas in case I've missed something astoundingly unbalanced it'd be nice.i'll read over the rules. My past experiences give me a good nose for balance :P
Also... I need to not be so scum-gressive day one unless I have some sorta defense town power. Heheh that was fun but left me wanting more, like pringles.
-On another note, someone should probably run a beginner's Mafia soon. Noticed a lot of new people in C++ who could probably stand to have active mentors. I'd mentor the game or could start it myself if no one more experienced wants to.
Post by: Mephansteras on August 28, 2015, 10:50:26 am
Post by: flabort on September 07, 2015, 10:01:48 pm
Edit: Belay that, I need one right now, I missed a request to be replaced.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on September 08, 2015, 07:50:42 am
Post by: fillipk on September 20, 2015, 01:46:37 am
Also an opinion, I want to give both the mafia and masons access to a chat, but I realize that if they could have access to it 24/7 they would easily win, I'm thinking limiting it to only the first 24 hours after a lynch, would that still be unbalanced?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on September 24, 2015, 09:15:36 pm
Post by: fillipk on September 25, 2015, 08:13:12 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on September 25, 2015, 08:18:40 pm
Post by: flabort on September 28, 2015, 08:19:08 pm
Post by: Shakerag on September 30, 2015, 09:04:09 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 01, 2015, 09:57:46 am
Geh. Closing on a house today. I am still not ready for this.I now own a house. I am still not ready for this. Also apparently the previous owner was storing nuclear waste in the garage, because there are SAN-check-worthy numbers of impossibly large cave crickets living there.
Post by: fillipk on October 01, 2015, 10:40:15 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 01, 2015, 01:14:49 pm
Congratulations! This sounds like you have a quest for a level 1 adventurer on your hands.Geh. Closing on a house today. I am still not ready for this.I now own a house. I am still not ready for this. Also apparently the previous owner was storing nuclear waste in the garage, because there are SAN-check-worthy numbers of impossibly large cave crickets living there.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 01, 2015, 05:17:56 pm
Geh. Closing on a house today. I am still not ready for this.I now own a house. I am still not ready for this. Also apparently the previous owner was storing nuclear waste in the garage, because there are SAN-check-worthy numbers of impossibly large cave crickets living there.
Alternatively, you could domesticate and weaponize them in a bid to conquer the neighborhood!
Post by: Deus Asmoth on October 01, 2015, 07:30:03 pm
Post by: Shakerag on October 01, 2015, 10:03:25 pm
self destructive self-pity bingeI've been doing that for the last two years or so. It's ... somewhat enjoyable.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 01, 2015, 11:00:15 pm
I can imagine.self destructive self-pity bingeI've been doing that for the last two years or so. It's ... somewhat enjoyable.
/me says hi from his new place of residence
Post by: notquitethere on October 02, 2015, 07:45:01 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on October 02, 2015, 09:08:34 am
Post by: fillipk on October 08, 2015, 12:22:19 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 12, 2015, 01:58:11 pm
Post by: 4maskedwolf on October 12, 2015, 02:05:47 pm
Post by: Shakerag on October 12, 2015, 03:10:25 pm
So. This place.It is terrifying.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on October 12, 2015, 04:42:04 pm
It was inevitable.So. This place.It is terrifying.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 12, 2015, 05:31:28 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 12, 2015, 08:54:48 pm
Life is, in a word, Mafia.
Don't travel alone at night, or the
Post by: Jack A T on October 12, 2015, 09:58:39 pm
So. This place.Welcome back! Who won KYOSN?
Post by: TolyK on October 13, 2015, 08:47:09 am
...
Alright, I'll sort that out before I do less useful stuff. :p
Post by: Shakerag on October 13, 2015, 08:52:46 am
Wait, I didn't say who won KYOSN before I left?!Oh yeah! Where the hell did you up and disappear to?
...
Alright, I'll sort that out before I do less useful stuff. :p
Post by: flabort on October 13, 2015, 11:20:28 am
Post by: TolyK on October 13, 2015, 11:29:03 am
I don't actually remember where I disappeared to, but I'm pretty sure it was finals. Just the usual excuse. :D
And, uh. I might just post all the data on KYOSN when I get home, because it's kinda hard to do it all from phone, yet alone make sense of it... Should I do it in the original thread? Seems like the best idea.
Post by: Shakerag on October 13, 2015, 12:07:46 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 13, 2015, 03:23:55 pm
Well, you can, but only for a semester.
Post by: TolyK on October 19, 2015, 08:36:09 am
I think I've understood most of my mod-mistakes (namely, I didn't do things rigidly enough and gave lots of leeway, among other things), but if anyone wants to give some other input to my modding that would be appreciated.
Oh, and I was so bad at joking half a year go... At least those Shakerag gags were a-bound. :D
Post by: Shakerag on October 19, 2015, 08:59:23 am
Oh, and I was so bad at joking half a year go... At least those Shakerag gags were a-bound. :DI chuckled at most of them.
Post by: Shakerag on October 21, 2015, 04:24:55 pm
Additionally TBF has the highest postcount, which my research has shown to almost never be achieved by a scum player.> tfw you'll never be town by (this part of) NQT's analysis
Post by: flabort on October 21, 2015, 11:44:51 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 22, 2015, 01:04:39 am
L2P noob!
Post by: TolyK on October 22, 2015, 07:41:33 am
Age: YOU OLD BASTARDS! I'm, uh, 18. Expected Jack to be older, and other folks to be younger.
Flavor discussions: I can write, sort-of, but I'm much better at making semi-decent puns.
I'm slightly sad that Wuba didn't get to see the end of KYOSN (yet), but I'm sure it will get to that point eventually. :)
Post by: Shakerag on October 22, 2015, 08:59:51 am
Age: YOU OLD BASTARDS! I'm, uh, 18. Expected Jack to be older, and other folks to be younger.I actually own a lawn now. So I can say with even more authority to get off of it, you damn kids.
But, yeah, I think I expected a number of people to be older >_>
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 22, 2015, 10:38:14 am
I turn 18 in a month and a half. The day I do so, I'm gonna: smoke alot of cigarettes, buy a bunch of raffle tickets, uh... vote? What else can you do when you turn 18?Age: YOU OLD BASTARDS! I'm, uh, 18. Expected Jack to be older, and other folks to be younger.I actually own a lawn now. So I can say with even more authority to get off of it, you damn kids.
But, yeah, I think I expected a number of people to be older >_>
Post by: notquitethere on October 22, 2015, 11:04:32 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 22, 2015, 11:26:45 am
It depends what country you're in. Buy anti-freeze? Serve on the front line?Yes. And I can buy Dry Ice too :D Time to make some dry ice bombs!
Post by: notquitethere on October 22, 2015, 11:43:15 am
Post by: TolyK on October 22, 2015, 11:54:23 am
Granted, I wasn't even in my country on my bday, but I never planned on doing anything dumb or addicting. :p
That reminds me...
Halloween is soon! And though I'm almost the only person here who dresses up, I need to go buy a valve...
Edit: Shakerag, congrats on the lawn!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 22, 2015, 11:56:01 am
In my country, you can drink and smoke from the age of 18, buy matches/lighters as a 15-y-o...In Texas, you can drink any amount of alcahhol at any age above 8 as long as you are in your parents/guardians property with a sobor adult being with you for the next 24 hours.
Granted, I wasn't even in my country on my bday, but I never planned on doing anything dumb or addicting. :p
That reminds me...
Halloween is soon! And though I'm almost the only person here who dresses up, I need to go buy a valve...
Edit: Shakerag, congrats on the lawn!
Post by: TolyK on October 22, 2015, 12:09:43 pm
Eastern Europe. :p
Post by: Shakerag on October 22, 2015, 12:21:32 pm
I think I bought smokes (legally), got some scratch-off lotto cards, and bought some nudie magazines when I hit 18. Do they still even print porn mags anymore? I heard Playboy is actually turning into a "just articles" magazine now. So the whole "I only read Playboy for the articles" will be a legit thing O_oI turn 18 in a month and a half. The day I do so, I'm gonna: smoke alot of cigarettes, buy a bunch of raffle tickets, uh... vote? What else can you do when you turn 18?Age: YOU OLD BASTARDS! I'm, uh, 18. Expected Jack to be older, and other folks to be younger.I actually own a lawn now. So I can say with even more authority to get off of it, you damn kids.
But, yeah, I think I expected a number of people to be older >_>
Post by: Shakerag on October 22, 2015, 12:23:38 pm
That's some good responsible 18 year old thinking there.Science! Let's encourage him.
Halloween is soon! And though I'm almost the only person here who dresses up, I need to go buy a valve...You're not going as a breathalyzer for Halloween, are you?
Edit: Shakerag, congrats on the lawn!Thanks. The mountain of additional responsibility is scaring me shitless.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 22, 2015, 12:56:22 pm
Edit: Shakerag, congrats on the lawn!Thanks. The mountain of additional responsibility is scaring me shitless.
Thousands of blades of grass, all counting on you for their survival. It's a huge responsibility, no question about it.
Post by: TolyK on October 22, 2015, 01:14:03 pm
Halloween is soon! And though I'm almost the only person here who dresses up, I need to go buy a valve...You're not going as a breathalyzer for Halloween, are you?
[/quote]
... no? xD
I'm doing a parody on VALVe. Which I hope at least 5% of the public will get. >.>
Post by: Deus Asmoth on October 22, 2015, 01:21:10 pm
I tried smoking once and my lung collapsed. I wouldn't recommend it. Unless you live in Freedomville I'd say some whiskey is a good idea when you turn 18.I turn 18 in a month and a half. The day I do so, I'm gonna: smoke alot of cigarettes, buy a bunch of raffle tickets, uh... vote? What else can you do when you turn 18?Age: YOU OLD BASTARDS! I'm, uh, 18. Expected Jack to be older, and other folks to be younger.I actually own a lawn now. So I can say with even more authority to get off of it, you damn kids.
But, yeah, I think I expected a number of people to be older >_>
Post by: fillipk on October 22, 2015, 03:28:02 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 22, 2015, 03:40:25 pm
Post by: Jack A T on October 22, 2015, 08:18:02 pm
Age: YOU OLD BASTARDS! I'm, uh, 18. Expected Jack to be olderHuh.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 22, 2015, 08:20:22 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 22, 2015, 11:33:45 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 22, 2015, 11:38:22 pm
I haven't decided who to vote for in the US. However, elections here ended with an obvious 87% victory. :pwhere is "here"
Post by: fillipk on October 23, 2015, 01:36:19 am
Also I will be 18 in time to vote for US elections too. Now to look up the candidates.
Post by: Cheeetar on October 23, 2015, 03:58:30 am
BTW, I was joking about everything that I said when turning 18. Except the voting part. I hope to vote for Ben Carson.
Why not Trump? From all I've heard, he's the full sugar Coke to Ben Carson's Diet Coke.
Post by: TolyK on October 23, 2015, 07:04:54 am
This is the one person I know I wouldn't vote for. He appeals to people's instincts rather than their minds and reason...BTW, I was joking about everything that I said when turning 18. Except the voting part. I hope to vote for Ben Carson.
Why not Trump? From all I've heard, he's the full sugar Coke to Ben Carson's Diet Coke.
Do "Minsk agreements" ring a bell? It's the city I live in currently... :pI haven't decided who to vote for in the US. However, elections here ended with an obvious 87% victory. :pwhere is "here"
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 23, 2015, 08:14:05 am
does anybody here know where that's from?
Post by: Shakerag on October 23, 2015, 08:53:23 am
THE GIANT MOUSE OF MINSKGoogle tells me "An Americal Tail". So, yes?
does anybody here know where that's from?
Post by: Persus13 on October 23, 2015, 09:22:36 am
Canada? ((Says the person who knows that there were Canadian elections recently.))Considering 87% sounds like a fraudulent election joke, I'd say its not Canada.
Also I will be 18 in time to vote for US elections too. Now to look up the candidates.
Post by: hector13 on October 23, 2015, 12:14:36 pm
Post by: Lenglon on October 23, 2015, 12:39:52 pm
Politics: currently dislike most republicans, however the few sane ones (which are usually trashed by Fox and don't make it to elections or really stand a chance if they do make it) tend to be much better candidates than the democratic ones. So my vote switches between the parties a lot. right now I'm defaulting to planning on voting Dem for the next prez, but am waiting to see how the republican primaries go, because I might be surprised and have one of their good candidates make it through for once.
am independent, fiscally conservative, socially liberal.
Religion: Agnostic. I'm pretty sure God is real, but have yet to find an organized religion I could get behind. I put christian non-denominational on paperwork though because my family is christian and if something happens to me I want to comfort them as best I can. And it's as good a random guess as any as to which religion got it right anyway.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 23, 2015, 02:31:32 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 23, 2015, 02:57:34 pm
Post by: hector13 on October 23, 2015, 04:13:34 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 23, 2015, 04:52:29 pm
I was raised Catholic, though I'm agnostic. Agnostic-theist, for the most part, though I dabble in agnostic-atheism depending on how pissed off I get with the organised religions. And people who say "God said this so I must do this and everyone else must do this even if they don't follow the same religion and/or God as me."It normally depends on how much of the bible someone read. I see alot of Christians doing what you just said. But the morality described in the bible is taught to be a result of getting saved, rather than a prerequisite.
Post by: fillipk on October 23, 2015, 06:20:00 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 23, 2015, 08:16:26 pm
Post by: Persus13 on October 23, 2015, 11:17:41 pm
And people who say "God said this so I must do this and everyone else must do this even if they don't follow the same religion and/or God as me."Its because people with relatively strong moral convictions think that everyone will benefit from following the same. Its just Religious convictions can be more obnoxious because if you disagree with them, its hard to successfully argue why without extensive knowledge of their particular tradition.
As for religion, I'm a Christian who goes Reformed Calvinist college, denominations aren't a big deal for me, most of them just disagree on really mundane stuff.
To get slightly back to a mafia topic, I've gone from the mafia board for a bit, it feels like, and I'm not sure I'll want to play mafia again in the near future, is there anything exciting I missed besides the return of the TolyK and closure to KYOSN? Does this mean Webadict will reappear in 6 months?
Post by: flabort on October 24, 2015, 12:22:31 am
I'm LSP.FTFY
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 24, 2015, 12:29:26 am
We have something for this in GD.
The more things that happen in the mafia subforum the better.
Carry on then XD
(Note:Everything said here was in a joking tone)
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 24, 2015, 07:03:46 am
Post by: TolyK on October 24, 2015, 07:26:30 am
Jokes aside, I think it's actually pretty easily explained. Mafia players are likely to have a better-than-average communication skill, and that seems to correlate with respectful communication.
Post by: fillipk on October 24, 2015, 10:32:57 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on October 24, 2015, 10:52:56 am
Post by: hector13 on October 24, 2015, 11:21:53 am
Not to be *that guy*, but I've honestly never gotten the point of religion. As in, I've never felt that there's any reason to think that there's some driving force (and especially not a benevolent one) behind life, the universe and everything.
It deserves a +1, even if others think you're that guy.
Post by: Nerjin on October 24, 2015, 02:07:20 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 24, 2015, 02:40:42 pm
I was a teenage communist but nowadays I'm way more anarchistic. I think devolving power is a good thing. I'm in favour of land reform, reclaiming the commons, and dismantling the legal apparatus (licensing, copyright, enclosure acts etc.) that benefit entrenched power structures. I don't think we should limit our political engagement to voting.
Post by: fillipk on October 24, 2015, 06:17:50 pm
Back on the topic of mafia I still need one IC who is confident in their abilities for my beginners game.
Post by: TolyK on October 25, 2015, 08:37:34 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 26, 2015, 09:21:12 am
I am, if you are curious, an Athiest. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go back to lurking.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I have a link to ffrf.org in my signature, so that kind of gives away where I stand on the whole religion thing.
I still find it funny that the mafia players are among the most respectful people on the forum. :PWell, outside of the games anyway. And, uh, Dariush kind of up and disappeared, so that sort of raised the general respect level a few notches. Although I do kind of miss that shitlord.
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2015, 10:24:32 am
[too soon? :D obv. joking]
Post by: Shakerag on October 26, 2015, 02:26:56 pm
Find Dariush Now?Considering the bang-up job you did with KYOSN I think it is safe to say that you are the only person we could entrust with this themed game.
[too soon? :D obv. joking]
Post by: Teneb on October 26, 2015, 02:38:59 pm
I'd join this game, you know. Especially since I had to miss out on KYOSN. Just... don't disappear before declaring the winner.Find Dariush Now?Considering the bang-up job you did with KYOSN I think it is safe to say that you are the only person we could entrust with this themed game.
[too soon? :D obv. joking]
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2015, 03:16:56 pm
Next game I'm doing will be a semi-BYOR, except much more rigid that KYOSN. I've learned from my mistakes... I think.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on October 26, 2015, 04:56:49 pm
Post by: Shakerag on October 26, 2015, 05:31:01 pm
I think I'm going to have to look up one of Dariush's games to see why he's so memorable.More so as a player, really.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 26, 2015, 08:42:26 pm
I think I'm going to have to look up one of Dariush's games to see why he's so memorable.Here's a taster:
How to NQT: be a useless waste of space, point out minor technicality, become confirmed town, continue spewing inane shit like this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125287.msg4672401#msg4672401), survive to endgame.
NQT is back by requestOhgodnowhypleaseargh.
NQT... At first I was like, then I was likeSpoiler: this (click to show/hide)and at the end I was likeSpoiler: this (click to show/hide). I don't think an explanation is needed.Spoiler: this (click to show/hide)
NQT wasn't far behind Birdy on my scummeter. Both are bandwagoning lazy lynchhappy fucks who didn't do absolutely anything useful during the entire game.
Because, according to Solifuge, I am the worst player to have in any mafia game ever. I got bitter. I think I'll keep it there.Hey, no need to get so worked up. You're definitely not the worst player ever. Assuming that we exclude those people who only played BMs, that honour easily goes to Wuba, Zrk2 and Tolyk being runner-ups. You qualify only as fourth worst player, tops. More likely even fifth (how could I forget about NQT...). See, absolutely no problem about that. Relax.
NQT... I have no words. May this gif express my opinion of you.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I wanted to call NQT a dumbfuck idiot (and actually wrote up a post explaining why), but if he's only bluffing and doing what I suspect he is doing, then he's an extremely clever town who'll net us a win.
Of course, he may not be bluffing and actually be a dumbfuck idiot. Who knows.
Well, shit. NQT, I am really, really disappoint... Alas, it looks like he is simply a dumbfuck idiot. Le sniff.
I blame NQT for everything and Nerjin and UI for about 95% of everything.
Post by: Teneb on October 26, 2015, 08:59:31 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 26, 2015, 09:05:19 pm
Indeed :OI think I'm going to have to look up one of Dariush's games to see why he's so memorable.More so as a player, really.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 26, 2015, 09:43:37 pm
Post by: Toaster on October 26, 2015, 10:42:10 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 27, 2015, 08:15:40 am
Also, as an actual player I'm actually likely to be third worst. Where did Zrk2 off and out to?
Post by: Shakerag on October 27, 2015, 09:09:45 am
I like this thread and its current discussion ;3Hey! Has your internet done anything resembling stability lately?
Post by: Shakerag on October 27, 2015, 09:16:34 am
-quotes-Feels like a tame selection of quotes. Or maybe I'm just remembering things differently.
I was going to post some quotes, but I'll just give you the list.
1- Click the "Advanced Search" icon next to the search box at the top of the page.
2- Put "fuck" in the "Search for:" box.
3- Put "Dariush" in the "By user:" box.
4- Check "Show results as messages"
5- Uncheck "Check all"
6- Click on "Choose a board to search in, or search all"
7- Check "Mafia"
8- Click "Search"
9- Enjoy!
Post by: notquitethere on October 27, 2015, 09:56:25 am
Post by: Teneb on October 27, 2015, 10:12:29 am
Post by: fillipk on October 27, 2015, 10:30:01 am
Post by: TolyK on October 27, 2015, 10:44:34 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 27, 2015, 06:13:36 pm
Webaddict is a bit more worrying than most cases since he just vanished mid-BYOR. I hope he just decided to abandon the forum or something along those lines instead of, well, having had something happen to him.
I'd guess he abandoned the forum because his profile showed activity for a few days after he stopped posting. On the bright side, that means that he's probably OK.
Post by: TolyK on October 28, 2015, 01:00:46 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 28, 2015, 02:21:05 am
He's done this before, to get breaks from mafia to concentrate on other things IRL.He's also gotten stabbed before >_>
Post by: TolyK on October 28, 2015, 09:53:57 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 28, 2015, 12:10:11 pm
:|Just statin' the facts, man.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 28, 2015, 12:13:38 pm
Post by: Toaster on October 28, 2015, 12:15:13 pm
Post by: Persus13 on October 28, 2015, 12:20:34 pm
I think I've seen him on Steam off and on lately, so he's probably not dead unless Zombie Wuba still likes playing EU4.To be fair, EUIV is supremely addicting, I wouldn't be surprised if I would be playing EUIV as a zombie.
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Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 31, 2015, 02:46:43 pm
Post by: notquitethere on November 06, 2015, 09:59:27 pm
Post by: TolyK on November 07, 2015, 03:36:48 am
Just letting you guys know that I need 5 more players for Communism Simulator Mafia. If you are available, please join.I would, but I've realized I barely have time for one game. :/
So today I made my first twitter bot, called Genuine D&D Facts (https://twitter.com/ddfacts). As the name suggests, it posts random facts about D&D throughout the day.Some amusing ones there. Where do you get them from?
Post by: notquitethere on November 07, 2015, 06:22:15 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: fillipk on November 07, 2015, 11:55:33 am
Post by: fillipk on November 09, 2015, 07:13:52 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on November 20, 2015, 09:43:59 am
Post by: TolyK on November 20, 2015, 11:18:23 am
Plus it's better to post in that other thread, this is less likely to be checked by players wanting to !in on a game.
Also, thread title should be changed, but 4mask seems to have poofed.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 23, 2015, 07:44:28 pm
MWAHAHA!
Post by: Toaster on November 23, 2015, 09:40:04 pm
Post by: Shakerag on November 24, 2015, 10:04:32 am
Yep! Just 70 more to go!Exactly. Goddamn scrubby kids not viewing 50ppp.
Post by: TolyK on November 24, 2015, 11:04:35 am
Also, it totally is possible.*
Post by: 4maskwolf on November 28, 2015, 08:52:56 pm
Post by: zombie urist on November 29, 2015, 03:16:34 am
Only 2 (and a bit) more to go till a round number!30 is a pretty round number.
Also, it totally is possible.*
Post by: flabort on November 29, 2015, 03:34:06 am
Base10 heretic.Only 2 (and a bit) more to go till a round number!30 is a pretty round number.
Also, it totally is possible.*
Everyone knows hexadecimal is where it's at.
Post by: TheDarkStar on November 29, 2015, 05:45:12 pm
Base10 heretic.Only 2 (and a bit) more to go till a round number!30 is a pretty round number.
Also, it totally is possible.*
Everyone knows hexadecimal is where it's at.
We now have 64 posts at A posts per page. This is post 56A. Who would take the trouble to write things out in base 10 when you can use the much more compact base 16?
Hexadecimal master race.
Post by: Shakerag on November 30, 2015, 11:52:32 am
I am an assembler programmer. I eat, sleep, and shit hexadecimal >_>Base10 heretic.Only 2 (and a bit) more to go till a round number!30 is a pretty round number.
Also, it totally is possible.*
Everyone knows hexadecimal is where it's at.
We now have 64 posts at A posts per page. This is post 56A. Who would take the trouble to write things out in base 10 when you can use the much more compact base 16?
Hexadecimal master race.
Post by: TolyK on November 30, 2015, 01:24:10 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on November 30, 2015, 11:19:46 pm
I'm so sorry for you. :-X
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2015, 11:28:51 pm
You get used to it. I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 01, 2015, 03:15:14 am
Post by: Shakerag on December 01, 2015, 10:18:02 am
Oh my god. I'm so sorry for you. :-XWhy? I specifically wanted an assembler job >_> That's the context of that Toaster quote in my sig =P
Heh, I wish. I'm currently playing around with coding something up to convert AFP documents to PDF documents. Although I work with a guy who could possibly do that with AFP MO:DCA records that are in hex. "There's a text box, and there's an image starting at such and such x,y coordinates, and there's a new page ... "You get used to it. I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead.
Post by: TolyK on December 01, 2015, 11:05:45 am
I specifically wanted an assembler job >_>I know who will survive the apocalypse...
you monster...
:D
The only assembling I've ever done was the Intel built-into Visual Studio, mostly inline with C++. Did not enjoy that much... :P
There's this cool board game called Secret Hitler (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/maxtemkin/secret-hitler) that I figured you people would be interested in looking at the kickstarter of. It replaces lynching with the election of a mini-government who pass policies from a selection of random policies they draw that will advance either the minority or majority's win condition, and can have additional effects. It looks neat!I've seen this, and it looks pretty great.
Relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg
Post by: Tiruin on December 17, 2015, 09:12:31 am
While I totally lack time--I can supervise and go with a BM for the newbies this December (and onwards). :)
Post by: TolyK on December 17, 2015, 10:49:42 am
Uni finals ;_;
Post by: Megggas on December 17, 2015, 01:56:14 pm
Anyone running a BM for the next days? [unsure where to post this too >_>]
While I totally lack time--I can supervise and go with a BM for the newbies this December (and onwards). :)
I plan to host one soon.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on December 17, 2015, 02:51:06 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2016, 11:48:56 pm
One that hopefully won't break my mind or such.
Oh yeah, I'm 18 now. Yay!Congrats, as it is said.
Post by: flabort on January 06, 2016, 12:55:40 am
Oh yeah, I'm 18 now. Yay!Wow. I never imagined you were that young from your maturity level. Congrats, happy birthday, good luck with everything ahead of you!
Post by: Jack A T on January 06, 2016, 12:57:52 am
Oh yeah, I'm 18 now. Yay!Missed this. A belated happy birthday to you!
I think I might try to run a simple BYOR soon.I'm interested.
One that hopefully won't break my mind or such.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2016, 09:08:23 am
Seeing as it'll be my first time running a mafia game, I'll also need someone to help me balance the roles.I think I might try to run a simple BYOR soon.I'm interested.
One that hopefully won't break my mind or such.
And there's the other stuff I'll need to figure out too- quick topics, time zones- but I think it'll be worth it.
I'll be keeping it to 7 town and 2 mafia- no third parties for my first time running a mafia game. On the plus side, if I get the design right(perhaps with help), it might be a good starting game for new mafia players.
Post by: Tiruin on January 07, 2016, 07:57:42 am
Post by: Jack A T on January 07, 2016, 07:54:27 pm
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2016, 08:14:05 pm
I might do it, but I have no idea what I'd be doing. Also not sure about investigations on jailed people...
Post by: Jack A T on January 07, 2016, 08:23:19 pm
I might do it, but I have no idea what I'd be doing. Also not sure about investigations on jailed people...From the role description, as seen in the BM OPs.
You are town. Each night, you can guard another player to prevent them from acting or being acted upon.Preventing them from being acted upon in general would block investigations.
BMs are not quite the easiest games to run (Vengefuls practically run themselves), but they're pretty easy to run if you read the rules carefully.
Post by: hector13 on January 07, 2016, 08:33:32 pm
Well if FoU doesn't want to do it, I'll do it.
Probably need a hand in setting it up, but after that I'll (probably) be fine.
Post by: fillipk on January 07, 2016, 09:17:51 pm
Last one I was in didn't do that. Ah well, I guess it was a different interpretation.Easiest way is to quote the op from a previous BM and rewrite flavor and role pm flavor. Just read the rules after you quote them for a refresher. I know I made a few mistakes in my first BM but nothing super serious.
Well if FoU doesn't want to do it, I'll do it.
Probably need a hand in setting it up, but after that I'll (probably) be fine.
Anyway I need four more people for Big Top Mafia anyone who isn't busy.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 07, 2016, 09:31:12 pm
Any experienced mafia players interested/up for that?
Post by: Jack A T on January 09, 2016, 01:23:54 am
Seeing as the BYOR I'll be running will be my first one, I could use some help designing the... everything, really. And time zones- I still don't understand time zones.Webadict wrote a couple short guides you might find useful: a short BYOR-specific guide (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.msg2226339#msg2226339) and 6 points to keep in mind when designing setups (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=114444.msg3587376#msg3587376).
As for time zones, I recommend figuring out what your time zone is and using that, so you don't have to convert anything to your time. All of my games are in PST because I live on BC's west coast. Days should start and end at a time when you are consistently available.
Post by: zombie urist on January 09, 2016, 01:43:25 am
All of my games are in PST because I live on BC's west coast.
Quote from: Jack AT
At 4:02 PM EST today
:P
Post by: Jack A T on January 09, 2016, 01:55:40 am
Post by: Tawa on January 09, 2016, 02:47:39 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 09, 2016, 03:05:20 pm
Post by: hector13 on January 09, 2016, 03:06:32 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 09, 2016, 05:07:32 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 09, 2016, 08:06:45 pm
... I guess I'll run my BYOR after FHPBYOR2 runs. I want that game to go first.ahem... I'm next in line.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 09, 2016, 11:07:49 pm
Then later then. I'll figure it out.... I guess I'll run my BYOR after FHPBYOR2 runs. I want that game to go first.ahem... I'm next in line.
Post by: fillipk on January 09, 2016, 11:18:02 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 12, 2016, 05:24:47 pm
- I've been self-employed as a freelance writer / video game producer for a whole year now, and I'm still paying the rent so that's good!
- I made another twitter bot (https://twitter.com/UnlikelyPowers) - this one spits out randomised super powers with unfortunate drawbacks.
- I had a game come 6/53 in the annual interactive fiction competition (http://ifcomp.org/comp/2015), which was the highest percentile placing I'd come in that comp before.
- It's my birthday tomorrow and I'm going to the zoo.
- Playing lots of boardgames... but no mafia lately!
Post by: Deus Asmoth on January 12, 2016, 05:36:56 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 12, 2016, 05:38:55 pm
Post by: fillipk on January 12, 2016, 06:03:02 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 12, 2016, 06:27:37 pm
If you want, you can join FHPBYOR2 - it's in signups right now.
Post by: Tiruin on January 12, 2016, 09:38:05 pm
Hey gang. I've been without a proper computer with proper internet for months now (been moving house). What's everyone been up to lately? I have been well:YOU"RE
- I've been self-employed as a freelance writer / video game producer for a whole year now, and I'm still paying the rent so that's good!
- I made another twitter bot (https://twitter.com/UnlikelyPowers) - this one spits out randomised super powers with unfortunate drawbacks.
- I had a game come 6/53 in the annual interactive fiction competition (http://ifcomp.org/comp/2015), which was the highest percentile placing I'd come in that comp before.
- It's my birthday tomorrow and I'm going to the zoo.
- Playing lots of boardgames... but no mafia lately!
If I was silly and told you that if you posted it's your birthday here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=42204.0), and that you'd get shot with a cake cannon and make well wishes, would you do it, NQT? :P
Silliness aside, Happy Birthday to ya c: We missed you. [Just as we miss most of the regular M. Gamers here because of the camaraderie and other stuffs]
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 12, 2016, 09:40:42 pm
Post by: Jack A T on January 12, 2016, 09:44:17 pm
Post by: flabort on January 13, 2016, 01:03:55 am
If you feel like your situation's stable enough, I would LOVE for you to be able to join FHPBYOR2 like TDS said. If your internet's still unstable, though, there's no rush.
Great job keeping the rent payed! See you later if you have to go away again, come play with us if you're able to stay, and have fun! :D Enjoy the zoo!
Post by: Shakerag on January 13, 2016, 09:54:12 am
Hey gang. I've been without a proper computer with proper internet for months now (been moving house). What's everyone been up to lately? I have been well:Ahoy NQT. Happy birthday and all that.
- I've been self-employed as a freelance writer / video game producer for a whole year now, and I'm still paying the rent so that's good!
- I made another twitter bot (https://twitter.com/UnlikelyPowers) - this one spits out randomised super powers with unfortunate drawbacks.
- I had a game come 6/53 in the annual interactive fiction competition (http://ifcomp.org/comp/2015), which was the highest percentile placing I'd come in that comp before.
- It's my birthday tomorrow and I'm going to the zoo.
- Playing lots of boardgames... but no mafia lately!
What have I been up to? I bought a house. Hemorrhaging money left and right.
Oh, and David Bowie died :(
Post by: notquitethere on January 13, 2016, 01:20:07 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on January 13, 2016, 01:29:53 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 13, 2016, 05:46:25 pm
- I made another twitter bot (https://twitter.com/UnlikelyPowers) - this one spits out randomised super powers with unfortunate drawbacks.
"You're going to live forever, but only on Mondays."
"Your power to memorize anything is channeled through confessions of hate."
Post by: notquitethere on January 13, 2016, 06:14:17 pm
Quote
You're able to you can summon evil versions of yourself from the past but you only use it to fight the UN.
Quote
You can eat your own hair but so can everyone else.
Post by: flabort on January 13, 2016, 09:52:24 pm
Oh, and David Bowie died :(To be perfectly frank and honest, I thought he'd died before I was born. Like I thought all the Beatles, Elvis, and Beethoven all did. Obvious I was wrong about that, and even about the Beatles, but the death didn't impact me quite as much as it should have due to my mistaken assumption.
Personally, I'm more worried about Oobles right now.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 13, 2016, 10:08:27 pm
Some of my favourites:QuoteYou're able to you can summon evil versions of yourself from the past but you only use it to fight the UN.QuoteYou can eat your own hair but so can everyone else.
Quote
You can make Batman fans feel malice but you're unable to touch a rare space mineral.
Remind you of anything?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 13, 2016, 10:11:22 pm
That was my first thought too...Some of my favourites:QuoteYou're able to you can summon evil versions of yourself from the past but you only use it to fight the UN.QuoteYou can eat your own hair but so can everyone else.QuoteYou can make Batman fans feel malice but you're unable to touch a rare space mineral.
Remind you of anything?
Post by: Cheeetar on January 14, 2016, 12:03:05 am
Quote
You have skin made of metal which makes it hard to get on a plane.
This is my favourite so far. Extraordinary power, incredibly mundane and common sense drawback.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on January 14, 2016, 08:31:31 am
Post by: Persus13 on January 14, 2016, 02:16:33 pm
Quote
You can be forgotten by loved ones but it only reaches its full power when you're in the countryside.
This one is just weird.
Post by: notquitethere on January 14, 2016, 02:58:09 pm
It's not so much a power as having neglectful parents who forget to pick you up from summer camp.QuoteYou can be forgotten by loved ones but it only reaches its full power when you're in the countryside.
This one is just weird.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 14, 2016, 04:06:48 pm
Oh Nomic.
Post by: TolyK on January 18, 2016, 09:00:05 am
Why the hell is the title still the same? 4masked still gone?
Either way time to waste some time on more fun mafia. :P
Post by: fillipk on January 18, 2016, 11:28:36 am
Post by: TolyK on January 19, 2016, 05:47:08 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on January 26, 2016, 03:45:09 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 26, 2016, 04:17:42 pm
I've got the bones of a bastard game worked out that I think should be interesting. I'll probably try get it running after the BYOR that I think is scheduled for after flabort's BYOR. I promise it's not five SKs.I have mine completely written, I'll throw it in signups once Flabort's game starts. I promise it won't start until Flabort's game is done though. No hints about my game though :P
Post by: TolyK on January 27, 2016, 03:21:33 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 27, 2016, 09:23:28 am
Oh, OSG, so it *is* 5 SK's?)maaaayyyyyybeeeeeee
not.
Post by: hector13 on January 27, 2016, 09:24:29 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 27, 2016, 09:33:58 am
I'll like to see how it'll play out.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 27, 2016, 11:01:13 am
Post by: hector13 on January 27, 2016, 11:02:18 am
Post by: Shakerag on February 03, 2016, 09:56:32 am
bah bah jester have you any win,If we had a notable posts archive, I would totally nominate this one. Good show, hector13.
yes sir yes sir five votes in
two from the newbies
two from some more
another from TDS
that means IWINIWINIWINSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Sorry not sorry
Post by: hector13 on February 03, 2016, 10:22:13 am
Soon to be buried after pages of banter :'(
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 08:43:01 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 04, 2016, 08:45:28 pm
Yay! Some posterity.Check again, my gallant friend! For the OP has deigned to rescue you and your post from the sure oblivion of...
Soon to be buried after pages of banter :'(
Okay, sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face through that. It's in the OP.
Post by: hector13 on February 04, 2016, 10:10:23 pm
Evidently being a cheeky smug bastard has its benefits.
Post by: Shakerag on February 05, 2016, 09:56:14 am
Cool. Thanks.I, for one, welcome our cheeky smug bastard overlords.
Evidently being a cheeky smug bastard has its benefits.
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2016, 01:24:49 pm
Post by: Shakerag on February 05, 2016, 04:03:44 pm
Sorry, Shakerag.What did you do -this- time?
Post by: Reverie on February 08, 2016, 05:05:07 am
(Also, I didn't even know there was a banter thread! I think?)
Post by: Tiruin on February 08, 2016, 05:10:06 am
Shakerag, you're still using the shy guy edit I made for you? Wow, I'm flattered :-)omg YOU made it?! I considered it a very notable idea of Shakerag (in its simplicity, it is adorable--just like him, but also on the mean side of many things :P)
(Also, I didn't even know there was a banter thread! I think?)
Nice to see you again Rev! Welcome to the thread where us dagger-wielders of the Mafia board meet together like good buddies and friends, outside of the battlefield. :P
Post by: Reverie on February 08, 2016, 05:17:18 am
To be fair, all I did was faded the colouring a bit and made it fanciful. He's had that avatar for far longer than I remember :PShakerag, you're still using the shy guy edit I made for you? Wow, I'm flattered :-)omg YOU made it?! I considered it a very notable idea of Shakerag (in its simplicity, it is adorable--just like him, but also on the mean side of many things :P )
(Also, I didn't even know there was a banter thread! I think?)
Post by: TolyK on February 08, 2016, 06:51:00 am
Also, the more you know...
Shakerag, you're still using the shy guy edit I made for you? Wow, I'm flattered :-)
Say, didn't you initially have a different username?
Post by: Reverie on February 08, 2016, 06:53:26 am
Say, didn't you initially have a different username?I was Flandre before :P
Post by: TolyK on February 08, 2016, 08:35:50 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 08, 2016, 08:38:03 am
Post by: hector13 on February 08, 2016, 09:56:56 am
It's so original.
Post by: Shakerag on February 08, 2016, 10:01:21 am
Shakerag, you're still using the shy guy edit I made for you? Wow, I'm flattered :-)Well I do like me some Shy Guys. And your edit was pretty sweet ;)
And ... I can't even remember what avatar(s) I've used before this one now -_- Old age not only has caught up with me; it's run me right over.
Although ... I think one of my very first avatars I ever used (back in the days of dial-up, mind you) was an icon of the Elder Sign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_Sign).
omg YOU made it?! I considered it a very notable idea of Shakerag (in its simplicity, it is adorable--just like him, but also on the mean side of many things :P)That may very well be the first time I've been called adorable >_> According to my significant other (not that she said this verbatim, but expressed the same concept) I have resting bitch-face.
Say, didn't you initially have a different username?You kids and your username changes. I'm still trying to get used to Deathsword -> Teneb.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 08, 2016, 10:05:40 am
Post by: notquitethere on February 08, 2016, 01:13:03 pm
I once briefly thought that Captain Ford had changed his name to become 4maskwolf. Apparently not.Say, didn't you initially have a different username?You kids and your username changes. I'm still trying to get used to Deathsword -> Teneb.
I'm looking forward to revealing that I've been secretly a GreatWyrmGold alt account all along.
Post by: Reverie on February 08, 2016, 01:19:57 pm
Post by: notquitethere on February 08, 2016, 01:21:25 pm
Post by: Reverie on February 08, 2016, 01:22:35 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 08, 2016, 02:35:12 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 08, 2016, 02:44:13 pm
Hold on. Teneb is Deathsword?Didn't Tiruin say pretty much exactly this at some point as well?
Post by: Reverie on February 08, 2016, 02:45:01 pm
Maybe I'm secretly time-travelling Tiruin?Hold on. Teneb is Deathsword?Didn't Tiruin say pretty much exactly this at some point as well?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 08, 2016, 04:19:09 pm
Post by: Reverie on February 08, 2016, 04:22:45 pm
BTW, what I said earlier was a joke.Yes, yours was one of the few jokes I caught today :-)
Post by: Reverie on February 09, 2016, 09:32:14 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 09, 2016, 09:40:52 am
It's also highly abusable... sending a PM to another player is only one infraction, for instance... and only one infraction doesn't carry any penalties...
Post by: hector13 on February 09, 2016, 09:41:59 am
Post by: Reverie on February 09, 2016, 09:51:21 am
Post by: Jack A T on February 09, 2016, 04:38:54 pm
So this infraction system in Flabort's HPBYOR...is this a new concept? I think it's a pretty neat idea.As far as I know, it's new to Bay 12. Can't say I share your enthusiasm about the system, though. Ignoring the issues of this particular implementation (taking a photo of your role PM and posting it D1 does not need to be a winning strategy), this is basically the replacement of a working, relatively simple approach (mod discretion) with a needlessly more complicated, less flexible system, all to solve a problem that we're not having. The newbie who unthinkingly fixes a typo in their latest post is violating the same rule as the player who makes major edits to old incriminating material, but one really isn't a problem for the game.
The systematized approach might have some useful synergy with the odd mechanics of FHPBYOR, though, but in general, I wouldn't recommend it.
You know, keep the old way where you kick a player out for doing something drastic like PMing another player (has that ever happened, btw?) and keep the infraction thing as an anti-lurk measure.To the best of my knowledge, we have not had that problem with PMs. It would be rather hard to see it if we did, though.
As for infractions as an anti-lurk measure, that's basically just replacing our general non-discretionary anti-lurking system with a potentially harsher, potentially less harsh system. Not a huge change. Could work better or worse depending on how and where it's set up. I don't oppose it as a concept.
Post by: Jack A T on February 09, 2016, 05:19:48 pm
Post by: Reverie on February 09, 2016, 05:21:43 pm
Post by: flabort on February 10, 2016, 01:37:08 am
The systematized approach might have some useful synergy with the odd mechanics of FHPBYOR, though, but in general, I wouldn't recommend it.Yeah, I think I agree with you on that; I did set it up with the plans to make roles interact with them.
Post by: Shakerag on February 15, 2016, 05:56:47 am
Happy Valentine's Day. Why are you playing mafia?I also just realized a couple of days ago that I don't think I should have -that- much grey in my facial hair -_-
Also, you all can feel free to take tomorrow off; it's my birthday. At the very least, I'm taking it off.
Also also, I now meet the minimum legal requirements to be the president of the US. Vote Shakerag in 2020!
Edit: Huh. You get a cake by your age in your profile on your birthday. :-\
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 15, 2016, 06:52:41 am
Happy Valentine's Day. Why are you playing mafia?I also just realized a couple of days ago that I don't think I should have -that- much grey in my facial hair -_-
Also, you all can feel free to take tomorrow off; it's my birthday. At the very least, I'm taking it off.
Also also, I now meet the minimum legal requirements to be the president of the US. Vote Shakerag in 2020!
Edit: Huh. You get a cake by your age in your profile on your birthday. :-\
PREPARE THE IMAGE
Post by: TolyK on February 15, 2016, 06:53:51 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 15, 2016, 12:20:36 pm
PREPARE THE IMAGETHAT'S MY LINE!
Post by: Jack A T on February 15, 2016, 02:19:51 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 15, 2016, 02:26:18 pm
Post by: fillipk on February 15, 2016, 05:43:57 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 15, 2016, 10:47:38 pm
Spoiler: I still love how Reverie does things >_> But here's a picture of cake! (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 15, 2016, 10:51:42 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 15, 2016, 10:53:11 pm
((HEY! THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT IMAGE!))We need Cinder here--she does good image shops of good images ;_;
And it's pretty hard to model the Pink Shyguy into that one image :P
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 15, 2016, 10:55:45 pm
*gears turn*
Post by: hops on February 16, 2016, 02:07:42 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 16, 2016, 06:34:12 am
is gud meme
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Post by: hops on February 16, 2016, 07:02:48 am
yisYou saw nothing. :P
is gud meme
(Though it should be pink because Shakerag is pink.)
(Otherwise, that's really good!)
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2016, 07:04:18 am
yisTook the words out of my mouth before I hit post. And then 2 ninjas came by and I decided to scrap my post. :P
is gud meme
(Though it should be pink because Shakerag is pink.)
(Otherwise, that's really good!)
Spoiler: Cinder, who summoned you here? :P (click to show/hide)
Sorry Shakerag if it's against your wishes or something though! D:
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 16, 2016, 07:28:55 am
Is Cinder one of the old-guard mafiosos or unrelated?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 16, 2016, 07:33:19 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 16, 2016, 07:34:38 am
Happy birthday, Shakerag! (I'm not late, I'm just temporally misplaced)Cinder has made exactly 58 posts in the mafia section, so the answer is "mostly unrelated"
Is Cinder one of the old-guard mafiosos or unrelated?
Post by: Shakerag on February 16, 2016, 09:45:23 am
Give me a moment.whatSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 16, 2016, 09:47:42 am
Post by: Shakerag on February 16, 2016, 11:25:02 am
It's B12 giving you cake, dude. Have you ever seen the Happy Thread when it's someone's birthday?I don't have much reason to visit the happy thread >_>
That's um ... some way to receive "cake", I suppose.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 16, 2016, 11:33:39 am
Post by: TolyK on February 16, 2016, 01:54:40 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2016, 10:55:00 pm
Yea you do! Much reason in many perspectives :) Doesn't hurt to share a happy once in a while, even if you've to find it.It's B12 giving you cake, dude. Have you ever seen the Happy Thread when it's someone's birthday?I don't have much reason to visit the happy thread >_>
Also sorry if you saw the caek thingy as...something ._.'ey. The context of that was had from the happy thread, then some people very talented in art used that template whenever people had birthdays [Cinder did an AWESOME picture of Descan, for example].
But Happy belated Birthday to you still :) Sorry if it offended(?) you in a way though! Nobody here ever meant it like that.
Post by: Shakerag on February 17, 2016, 11:45:01 pm
Oh, no, not offended. Just more ... O_o Kids these days.Yea you do! Much reason in many perspectives :) Doesn't hurt to share a happy once in a while, even if you've to find it.It's B12 giving you cake, dude. Have you ever seen the Happy Thread when it's someone's birthday?I don't have much reason to visit the happy thread >_>
Also sorry if you saw the caek thingy as...something ._.'ey. The context of that was had from the happy thread, then some people very talented in art used that template whenever people had birthdays [Cinder did an AWESOME picture of Descan, for example].
But Happy belated Birthday to you still :) Sorry if it offended(?) you in a way though! Nobody here ever meant it like that.
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2016, 11:47:19 pm
Oh, no, not offended. Just more ... O_o Kids these days.Woo \o/ Happy Shakerag!
It's a fun thing, IMO, to see how things change over the years :P From watching the elders around me to those growing just a few decades above me, the best thing I saw in them is them rolling with it and enjoying it in turn. Something something research onto happiness, but those all matter too.
Elders these days? :P (but seriously: love you as a good buddy, Shakerag; same goes to all those out there)
Post by: fillipk on February 18, 2016, 04:59:41 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 18, 2016, 05:05:50 pm
Post by: Shakerag on February 18, 2016, 05:24:09 pm
Aw man, Shakerag's even more of a force to be reckoned with. Now he's got that free +1 INT/WIS/CHA that comes from being 35. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/description.htm#age) :PHeh. Yeah, but the -1 to STR/DEX/CON hurts.
And the -5 to my hairline :(
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 18, 2016, 05:25:21 pm
Post by: notquitethere on February 18, 2016, 05:26:55 pm
Hopefully, you're a wizard not a fighter.Aw man, Shakerag's even more of a force to be reckoned with. Now he's got that free +1 INT/WIS/CHA that comes from being 35. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/description.htm#age) :PHeh. Yeah, but the -1 to STR/DEX/CON hurts.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 18, 2016, 05:27:21 pm
Maybe he's a rogue.
Post by: Mephansteras on February 18, 2016, 05:45:49 pm
Hopefully, you're a wizard not a fighter.Aw man, Shakerag's even more of a force to be reckoned with. Now he's got that free +1 INT/WIS/CHA that comes from being 35. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/description.htm#age) :PHeh. Yeah, but the -1 to STR/DEX/CON hurts.
He programs in Assembly. Definitely a Wizard, since that stuff is Arcane as all hell without a good bit of study.
Hey can someone check my semi-bastard setup for balance?
Sure, send it my way.
Post by: TolyK on February 18, 2016, 11:35:18 pm
Spoiler: "Balance" (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shakerag on February 19, 2016, 02:07:18 am
Fo' realz. It's a semi-bastard. So it only needs to be semi-balanced. Obviously.:PSpoiler: "Balance" (click to show/hide)
Post by: fillipk on February 19, 2016, 02:09:33 am
well I want to keep it fair, after all all 15 sides need an equal chance of winningFo' realz. It's a semi-bastard. So it only needs to be semi-balanced. Obviously.:PSpoiler: "Balance" (click to show/hide)
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 19, 2016, 02:41:14 am
Post by: TolyK on February 19, 2016, 03:01:06 am
Post by: Shakerag on February 19, 2016, 09:41:42 am
Post by: fillipk on February 19, 2016, 11:06:16 am
Post by: flabort on February 19, 2016, 01:59:52 pm
Don't forget that one random guy fromanother subforum4chan
Post by: hector13 on February 19, 2016, 02:40:02 pm
Don't forget that one random guy fromanother subforum4chan
Too far.
Post by: Jack A T on February 19, 2016, 02:42:47 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 03:38:10 pm
Hey, it almost worked. I had flabort convinced, anyway. And then you had to go and ruin my fun.Also, I think TolyK is jaded from all the stunts I have pulled in the past :PEeh, I've stopped you in your tracks when it mattered.
:P
Post by: Toaster on February 24, 2016, 04:11:18 pm
Fo' realz. It's a semi-bastard. So it only needs to be semi-balanced. Obviously.
I like the cut of your jib.
Also, the much-belated KOTM5 is up. Shame on me.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 04:19:19 pm
Shaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmme :PFo' realz. It's a semi-bastard. So it only needs to be semi-balanced. Obviously.
I like the cut of your jib.
Also, the much-belated KOTM5 is up. Shame on me.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 24, 2016, 09:53:29 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 10:13:24 pm
What is the longest mafia day that anybody remembers? Vengeful mafia 11 so far has had 13 real life days for one mafia day.Vengeful is a special case because of it doesn't run on a clock, and is one of the few games on our site that does so.
Post by: Toaster on February 24, 2016, 10:22:54 pm
Post by: hops on February 24, 2016, 11:10:34 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 25, 2016, 12:05:39 am
I wonder how much salt would be generated if there was a Mafia game that takes 30 days for each in-game day.Oh you ain't seen nothing yet. (http://www.mafiauniverse.com/threads/768-The-Longest-Mafia-Game-Ever-Played)
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 25, 2016, 12:11:26 am
Post by: hops on February 25, 2016, 12:22:30 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 25, 2016, 12:26:37 am
I love how everyone apparently already figured out all the scum in that game.That game isn't finished yet as far as I saw it. o_O
Post by: notquitethere on February 25, 2016, 05:53:17 am
Post by: hops on February 25, 2016, 06:14:38 am
It hasn't even gotten past the first day :PI love how everyone apparently already figured out all the scum in that game.That game isn't finished yet as far as I saw it. o_O
I'm just saying that everyone already started pointing fingers. Which is understandable, really, since it's been nearly a year.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 26, 2016, 05:36:57 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 26, 2016, 05:52:09 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 26, 2016, 05:55:58 pm
WHERE DID MY AVATAR GOYou hadn't noticed it was gone?
Post by: TolyK on February 27, 2016, 05:36:42 am
I haven't found my original gif, so I might have to switch it up... Ugh.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 27, 2016, 01:11:02 pm
1. uPick Mafia Panda Edition (2010)
2. BYOR 13 (2014)
3. Smster W/ Love (2014)
4. The Great Temple (2013)
5. Paranormal 24 (2015)
6. KYOSN (2015)
7. Toon Mafia VII (2013)
8. Magic Mafia (2013)
9. King of the Mafia (2011)
10. Choose Your Own Mafia (2014)
Also, I suddenly realized that Operation Overlord was almost a year ago. I should probably come up with a new setup to run sometime...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 27, 2016, 03:33:48 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 27, 2016, 03:34:40 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 27, 2016, 03:38:14 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 27, 2016, 03:38:49 pm
Back button?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on February 29, 2016, 09:13:30 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 29, 2016, 09:59:15 am
Post by: Shakerag on March 09, 2016, 09:54:36 am
Post by: hector13 on March 09, 2016, 10:36:35 am
ToasterToasterToaster! This is the best thing ever! (http://store.steampowered.com/app/370360/)
...
isn't that, like, your job?
Post by: TolyK on March 09, 2016, 10:52:21 am
In other news, mafia presented to me a problem that even my probability/statistics professor couldn't (quickly) tell me how to solve (quickly). So there's that. :D
Post by: hector13 on March 09, 2016, 10:53:52 am
Post by: Shakerag on March 09, 2016, 11:08:46 am
Arguably. This game is more like an x86 assembler than a big iron assembler. It's funny because in some ways it's harder because of the limited instruction set and restriction on lines of code. And, like, you only have 1.5 registers instead of 16.ToasterToasterToaster! This is the best thing ever! (http://store.steampowered.com/app/370360/)
...
isn't that, like, your job?
Only 4 more achievements to go!
EDIT: Oh, and it's annoying the hell out of me because the format in the game is <instruction> <source>,<destination> which is ass-backwards from z/Architecture. (and apparently x86 too?)
Post by: Shakerag on March 09, 2016, 11:09:34 am
The more important question is, how the hell have you not heard of it before? :PActually, I had heard of it when it came out, but I only just recently bought/played it.
Post by: notquitethere on March 09, 2016, 11:28:09 am
Post by: TolyK on March 09, 2016, 12:09:38 pm
What's the problem? Unless it's an active game... in which case, What's the problem, answer when the game is done (on a postcard, please)?It's an active game, and you'll be able to read discussion on it later. :P
Post by: notquitethere on March 09, 2016, 03:02:29 pm
Here is a random generator of mafia roles (http://playfic.com/games/jojo/power-generator). At the moment it gives them a completely disconnected name and the roles aren't balanced in any way, but it should be fun and varied. Sometime the powers are of limited utility:
Insane Fungus: Once per night you can redirect the actions of yourself to another player.
Magnet: Once per night you can give this ability to yourself.
The Mafioso: Once per night you can redirect the actions of a dead player to another player.
Evil Gambler: Once per night you can infect yourself.
Gremlin: Once per day you can perform the same action as your target on a dead player.
Though sometimes they're surprisingly good:
Filth: Once per game you can perform the same action as everyone targeting your target on your target.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 09, 2016, 03:16:13 pm
WTF :o :o
Post by: Shakerag on March 09, 2016, 03:17:40 pm
OK I've finally created something.Oh, this is amusing.
Kevorkian: Once per day you can prime or set alight a dead player. - Totally legit in some zombie-themed game.
Overeager Shaman: Once per night you can infect everyone targeting your target. - Potential to be awesome.
Philantropist: Once per game you can swap a random ability with an ability belonging to yourself. - Whee.
The Fungus: Once per night you can learn the name of your target. - I don't even ...
The Cheater: Once per night you can give this ability to everyone targeting your target. - Everyone gets a prize!
Although, this gives me an amusing idea for a game which would be totally broken. Every day and night phase everyone gets a random one-shot ability that expires at phase transition. Polymorphic Mafia =P
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 09, 2016, 03:28:11 pm
That'll teach me.
Post by: TolyK on March 09, 2016, 03:30:27 pm
These are very amusing indeed.
Post by: notquitethere on March 09, 2016, 03:36:40 pm
Post by: Persus13 on March 09, 2016, 03:44:37 pm
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Changeling: Twice per night you can poison yourself.....
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Overeager Satan: Once per night you can redirect the actions of your target's target to a random player.This is ridiculously complex and hilarious. What happens if the Overeager Satan's target's target is the Overeager Satan?
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Cannibal: Twice per day you can give your vote to your target's target until the next lynch.This one is even better.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 09, 2016, 03:44:37 pm
Overeager Subversive: Once per game you can kill yourself.
... roles as bad as this one...
Cult Azwolg: Once per night you can perform the same action as everyone targeting your target on yourself.
... as crazy as this one...
Vacuum: Twice per night you can give your vote to your target's target until the next lynch.
... as paradoxical as this one...
Cyborg: Twice per night you can delay the actions of your target until the end of the following night.
... and as good(?) as this one.
Seriously. I would play a game with roles completely randomly generated by that generator.
Post by: notquitethere on March 09, 2016, 03:48:01 pm
The player just gets a message saying "Calm down Satan."QuoteOvereager Satan: Once per night you can redirect the actions of your target's target to a random player.This is ridiculously complex and hilarious. What happens if the Overeager Satan's target's target is the Overeager Satan?
Seriously. I would play a game with roles completely randomly generated by that generator.This is a good sign.
Post by: TolyK on March 09, 2016, 03:52:12 pm
Perfect.
> Vacuum: Once per night you can block all actions affecting your target's target.
I sense a problem with action resolution here...
> Insane Doomspeaker: Once per night you can swap this ability with an ability belonging to everyone targeting your target.
Multi-swap would also be a problem...
I have so little free time that I think I'll go indeed make a mock-up of a mafia game instead of playing Hearthstone (as much)...
Exactly, 100% agree. You could hold a "quick randomafia" session/tournament (?) when you finish/perfect your generator.Seriously. I would play a game with roles completely randomly generated by that generator.This is a good sign.
Post by: Persus13 on March 09, 2016, 03:53:26 pm
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Mysterious Pimp: Once per night you can swap a random ability with an ability belonging to two targets.I like this one. The name is weird yet fitting.
Already randomly generated a role list I'm putting in my back pocket for now.
Post by: flabort on March 10, 2016, 10:49:41 pm
> Alpha Nonvoter: If someone targets you with an action which isn't a vote steal they will be given a piece of fruit.Reminds me of what we tend to do with Shakerag's roles.
Perfect.
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> Vacuum: Once per night you can block all actions affecting your target's target.Seems perfectly alright to me. You perform the action on your target, so your target as well as everyone else who wanted to target the same person your target did, all get blocked.
I sense a problem with action resolution here...
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> Insane Doomspeaker: Once per night you can swap this ability with an ability belonging to everyone targeting your target.Can Confirm.
Multi-swap would also be a problem...
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on March 11, 2016, 09:51:50 am
Right
Right
Right
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 11, 2016, 03:46:37 pm
But, you targetted your target, so your action would be blocked, meaning that it never did anything to the target, which means it's not blockedQuote> Vacuum: Once per night you can block all actions affecting your target's target.Seems perfectly alright to me. You perform the action on your target, so your target as well as everyone else who wanted to target the same person your target did, all get blocked.
I sense a problem with action resolution here...
Post by: hector13 on March 11, 2016, 03:51:14 pm
But, you targetted your target, so your action would be blocked, meaning that it never did anything to the target, which means it's not blockedQuote> Vacuum: Once per night you can block all actions affecting your target's target.Seems perfectly alright to me. You perform the action on your target, so your target as well as everyone else who wanted to target the same person your target did, all get blocked.
I sense a problem with action resolution here...
Target's target, not your target :P
It's an issue if your target self-targets, though...
Post by: webadict on March 12, 2016, 02:01:05 am
No, not at all. You can either grant the action itself higher priority, or you can give the user block immunity. It's pretty easy to fix any issues like that.But, you targetted your target, so your action would be blocked, meaning that it never did anything to the target, which means it's not blockedQuote> Vacuum: Once per night you can block all actions affecting your target's target.Seems perfectly alright to me. You perform the action on your target, so your target as well as everyone else who wanted to target the same person your target did, all get blocked.
I sense a problem with action resolution here...
Target's target, not your target :P
It's an issue if your target self-targets, though...
Post by: TolyK on March 12, 2016, 04:36:17 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2016, 01:17:25 pm
You know, 4mask's FBYOR2 role has really gotten out of hand.Huh?
Post by: TolyK on March 12, 2016, 01:19:36 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2016, 01:20:59 pm
You know. The one what summoned Wuba? :P...This was a thing?
Post by: TolyK on March 12, 2016, 01:32:48 pm
Post by: webadict on March 19, 2016, 07:40:33 pm
Technically aren't we still playing the game? (I'm referring to your Webadict post restriction).I have my own post restriction?
Cool. Is it lemon related?
Post by: Vector on March 19, 2016, 07:55:51 pm
Technically aren't we still playing the game? (I'm referring to your Webadict post restriction).I have my own post restriction?
Cool. Is it lemon related?
[TACKLEHUG]
I just came back! and now you're here! my very own wubba!
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 19, 2016, 08:03:17 pm
Nevertheless yay?
Post by: webadict on March 19, 2016, 08:44:41 pm
A sudden Vector has appeared!Technically aren't we still playing the game? (I'm referring to your Webadict post restriction).I have my own post restriction?
Cool. Is it lemon related?
[TACKLEHUG]
I just came back! and now you're here! my very own wubba!
Howdy do! I wouldn't say I'm "back" but I am around all the time. I just never really say hi.
Post by: Vector on March 19, 2016, 08:54:47 pm
Post by: webadict on March 19, 2016, 08:56:59 pm
Yeah :] I'll never play seven games at a time again, but I like posting some.Wish I had some time from before to actually run a decent game. I'm sure you understand.
If you get bored, we should all play some Town of Salem or something. It's horribly unbalanced, but still pretty decent for a quick mafia game.
Post by: Vector on March 19, 2016, 08:58:37 pm
Post by: webadict on March 19, 2016, 09:05:34 pm
Definitely. I'm still living down what happened with the Iron Coronation, or whatever the hell I called my third game.I'm sure my list is longer, plus I think I have some of your games on there as well... So don't worry about it :P
Post by: TolyK on March 20, 2016, 03:00:32 am
Don't sweat about the Iron Diadem, it's all cool.
Town of Salem that's in-browser or the one that's on Steam?
Also, I'm working on a mafia engine of my own, inspired by NQT's role text generator. Thread's somewhere around here, if you want to tell me how I'm doing it wrong. :D
Post by: webadict on March 20, 2016, 08:16:28 am
OMG. Hello Vector, too!I checked out the role generator, but the role abilities had no influence on the name! I was a little disappointed.
Don't sweat about the Iron Diadem, it's all cool.
Town of Salem that's in-browser or the one that's on Steam?
Also, I'm working on a mafia engine of my own, inspired by NQT's role text generator. Thread's somewhere around here, if you want to tell me how I'm doing it wrong. :D
Post by: Persus13 on March 20, 2016, 12:35:51 pm
Town of Salem that's in-browser or the one that's on Steam?Does it make a difference? When I got the Steam version it gave me all the achievements I'd gotten in-browser.
Post by: notquitethere on March 20, 2016, 12:38:30 pm
Oh it's just a proof-of-concept at the moment: the next version in the works will have relevant names.OMG. Hello Vector, too!I checked out the role generator, but the role abilities had no influence on the name! I was a little disappointed.
Don't sweat about the Iron Diadem, it's all cool.
Town of Salem that's in-browser or the one that's on Steam?
Also, I'm working on a mafia engine of my own, inspired by NQT's role text generator. Thread's somewhere around here, if you want to tell me how I'm doing it wrong. :D
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2016, 11:22:46 am
I've seen this before but only now have time to reply-post (waaah, I was gone from the 17th-ish!)A sudden Vector has appeared!Technically aren't we still playing the game? (I'm referring to your Webadict post restriction).I have my own post restriction?
Cool. Is it lemon related?
[TACKLEHUG]
I just came back! and now you're here! my very own wubba!
Howdy do! I wouldn't say I'm "back" but I am around all the time. I just never really say hi.
Squee!! :)) Webadict! You're :D !
/me plans to send you postcards via B12 PM because connections help! :I
(Or so I learned from watching a ton of S. Korean movies like 'My SO has got depression' and other films during our Stress1 class in uni xD)
Nice to know we're being watched by someone trusty here.
Post by: Shakerag on March 21, 2016, 02:50:06 pm
Nice to know we're being watched by someone trusty here.You have an ... interesting ... definition of "trusty", Tir. >_>
Post by: TolyK on March 21, 2016, 02:57:22 pm
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Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 21, 2016, 02:59:47 pm
(And guess who was mod?)Shakerag: Who are you personally suspicious of?At this point? TolyK.
Post by: webadict on March 21, 2016, 05:22:06 pm
Haha, alright. Works for me.I've seen this before but only now have time to reply-post (waaah, I was gone from the 17th-ish!)A sudden Vector has appeared!Technically aren't we still playing the game? (I'm referring to your Webadict post restriction).I have my own post restriction?
Cool. Is it lemon related?
[TACKLEHUG]
I just came back! and now you're here! my very own wubba!
Howdy do! I wouldn't say I'm "back" but I am around all the time. I just never really say hi.
Squee!! :)) Webadict! You're :D !
/me plans to send you postcards via B12 PM because connections help! :I
(Or so I learned from watching a ton of S. Korean movies like 'My SO has got depression' and other films during our Stress1 class in uni xD)
Nice to know we're being watched by someone trusty here.
It's a Mafia board. You can trust nobody but the mod.You can't be sure that it's not a bastard mod.
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Post by: Jack A T on March 21, 2016, 07:49:00 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 22, 2016, 07:53:12 pm
Yeah :] I'll never play seven games at a time again, but I like posting some.This was a thing that used to be possible?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 22, 2016, 07:58:06 pm
I don't see why it wouldn't still be, assuming enough games are running.Yeah :] I'll never play seven games at a time again, but I like posting some.This was a thing that used to be possible?
Post by: hector13 on March 22, 2016, 07:59:41 pm
There aren't enough active players for that, I think.I don't see why it wouldn't still be, assuming enough games are running.Yeah :] I'll never play seven games at a time again, but I like posting some.This was a thing that used to be possible?
Don't know why you'd want to do it anyway :P
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 22, 2016, 08:00:41 pm
Post by: webadict on March 22, 2016, 08:28:12 pm
You don't. That's why she said it :PThere aren't enough active players for that, I think.I don't see why it wouldn't still be, assuming enough games are running.Yeah :] I'll never play seven games at a time again, but I like posting some.This was a thing that used to be possible?
Don't know why you'd want to do it anyway :P
Post by: Caz on March 24, 2016, 01:15:08 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 24, 2016, 01:25:37 pm
[conspiracy]
We've had appearances from Wuba, Vector, and now Caz, since a long time.
[/conspiracy]
Post by: Vector on March 24, 2016, 01:27:02 pm
Post by: Caz on March 24, 2016, 10:13:22 pm
Well, I guess so.
[conspiracy]
We've had appearances from Wuba, Vector, and now Caz, since a long time.
[/conspiracy]
We met in a little café and thought 'oh, yea, let's visit bay12, that'll really screw with their heads.'
true story
Post by: hector13 on March 24, 2016, 10:14:43 pm
Well, I guess so.
[conspiracy]
We've had appearances from Wuba, Vector, and now Caz, since a long time.
[/conspiracy]
We met in a little café and thought 'oh, yea, let's visit bay12, that'll really screw with their heads.'
true story
Only the
Post by: webadict on March 24, 2016, 10:30:09 pm
Well, I guess so.Well, now it's time for some good ol' fashioned B12 Mafia Fanfiction.
[conspiracy]
We've had appearances from Wuba, Vector, and now Caz, since a long time.
[/conspiracy]
"We need your help."
Webadict had looked back from the door he was headed to. The man in black had taken off his glasses, and Webadict could now see the concern in his eyes. 'No,' Webadict thought. 'He's afraid of something.'
Webadict turned away from the door. Something inside him knew that this was just what he had been waiting for.
"If we're going to do this right, it can't be just me." And with that, Webadict opened his briefcase.
The team had been a small one, but one that Webadict had worked with on many occasions. He had called Vector first, but it was pointless. She had known the whole time, already boarding the first plane. That's what you get when you work with a German-Russian special ops, he supposed. He remembered when he first met her, and how nervous she was when she held that gun to his head. Now he wasn't sure if he'd be fast enough to do anything about it.
Next up, he had tried dakarian. He had checked all of his known locations and aliases, but it was pointless. He even checked out a long-shot rumor of him working a peach farm in Georgia, but the man had removed any trace of his existence. The man could've filmed himself killing an entire town, dictated it into a 20 page letter, and nobody would have had any proof he'd been there.
The third one was easy, though. Pandarsenic. He was never hard to find, but Webadict had caught him at a bad time. Unfortunately, with his wife was now four months pregnant and him being elected in Senator in the 2014 election in a race that could only be summed up with "Why would ANYONE do that?!", he was simply too pressed for time.
Webadict looked at the rest of the list and decided that there weren't enough memes to go through the rest, so he looked up Caz in the yellow pages and called him in instead.
The three had arrived. The man in black that had asked for his help drove him to a nearby mansion. He recognized the insignia immediately, and scoffed.
"What's Meph need with me these days? He doesn't need my help."
"The old syndicate's falling apart." The man in black said. "There's simply less money in it. That's why he needs you."
Webadict reached for his gun, but Vector had beaten him to it, firing four rounds into the man. It'd been a setup this whole time, and he hadn't even noticed. Caz jumped into the front of the car, but the wires that lie strewn about on the floor proved this to be a useless move.
"How could I have been so stupid?" Webadict said aloud.
They were already there, and there was no way they were getting out of the yard. Webadict knew there were traps everywhere BUT the mansion. Meph always stuck with the classics. Except for that one time he blew up the car immediately, but no one ever brings that one up.
They got out of the car and made their way to the door. The three stared at each other, before Webadict took a step forward and opened it. The door let out a loud and long groan as it slowly opened into the dark foyer. The door closed as the three stepped inside, and they heard an old, familiar voice.
"Ah, how great of you to join me."
Mephansteras stood near the top of the stairs, pointing the gun directly at them. "Obviously, don't do anything funny, or I'll shoot you. You know, standard rules."
"Vhat do you vant?" hissed Vector.
"My my, is that how you greet old friends?"
"My old freunden do not abandon ze old vays."
Webadict rolled his eyes and looked around the room. "Just kill us now, Meph. I know that's what you really want. We are all that remains of the old guard, isn't that right."
Mephansteras wore a look of indignation and veiled anger. "If you're not going to play along, then just leave."
Webadict turned towards the door, but Meph shot right at his feet.
Meph stomped his feet. The noise echoed throughout the foyer. "You're not supposed to actually leave! Follow the rules!"
Webadict turned back around. "Alright, what's the rules?"
"Standard Super Saint 3, of course. The losers die." As he finished, threw three pieces of paper, crumpled into a ball at them. The three snatched it out of the air.
"Open them." He waved the gun at them to emphasize his point.
Webadict took a look at his own. 'Mafioso,' it read. Then, he dropped it to the floor.
"You have 1 minute. After that you all lose." He smiled at the three, and followed it up. "And I already know who wins."
The three of them talked fast. They each tried to come up with a plan, but they had each spoke over the other. After a few seconds, Caz held up a hand and spoke.
"Web, just lynch me. You can beat him."
Webadict shook his head. "No, I don't think I can do it. I don't want to risk everyone on this."
Vector hit him. "Ve don't have time for zis, comrade! Just do vhat he says!"
Webadict could feel the time slipping by. The seconds that flowed quickly by, before he said it.
"I vote for Vector."
It hadn't been his words, but Caz's, and Webadict saw the look in his eyes. The look of determination. The look of hope. The look of someone that had taken the step to save them all.
Vector turned to Webadict. She nodded at him. She held no regret in her face. And, just as she was about to speak, Webadict cut her off.
"I vote for Vector."
A gunshot rang out, and Vector fell to the floor. Mephansteras gave an indirect smile. "Well, I suppose I was wrong this time. I had assumed Vector would be the sole winner. But, I guess you can't win them all." He pointed the gun at Caz.
"Stop!" Web's voice bounced off the walls. "We haven't learned her role."
"Come now, Web. Do you think I hadn't planned that far ahead?"
Webadict smiled. "Do you think I hadn't either?" He slowly unrolled the paper he had picked up from Vector's hand.
'SUPER SAINT'
Mephansteras' mouth opened in surprise and then in hate. He quickly turned the gun on Webadict, but Caz was quicker. Multiple gunshots rang out.
"You want me to have this?" Caz took the gun from Webadict. "Why?"
Webadict looked out the car windows. "That gun is known as the KING MAFIA. I'd like to say it's mine, but it's not. I received it a long time ago, from a friend." He paused, looking at the mansion before them. "I've killed far too many people in my lifetime. I've betrayed allies. Slaughtered innocents. I have made others do the same." He looked down at his hands. "I'm not fit to carry that gun anymore."
Caz looked again at the gun. It was black, with a line of gold along the top, as if the gun were displaying a crown of its own. "Do you think I'm ready?"
Webadict laughed. "No one's ready. But it happens anyway."
As he opened the car door, he spoke quickly.
"Mephansteras is going to make us play a game..."
"...and when he hands out the roles, I want you and Vector to switch roles." Webadict coughed, smiling as a thin line of blood trailed down his mouth. Mephansteras' eyes stared directly into his, but the life had vanished moments before.
Caz was trying to patch up Webadict, using a surprising amount of medical skills to keep him alive.
"He was right, you know." Webadict strained to talk. Vector gave out a cough of blood trying to laugh as well.
Caz worked without pausing. "Don't try to talk."
Webadict continued. "The losers... die."
Vector's voice was hoarse. "Ve go into ze next leben as comrades in arms." The smile on her face never disappeared as she died.
And then, everything was gone.
Caz looked into the setting sun. The wind blew through his hair, and he never heard anything the minister said. It wouldn't've been correct anyway.
The two graves stood next to each other. Almost suspiciously. The names written on them were nothing close to resembling their real names. It's not like anyone else would care anyway. Nobody else had shown up.
He picked up the briefcase and headed to his car. The gun in his jacket weighed him down like lead.
It started raining.
Post by: TolyK on March 24, 2016, 11:09:50 pm
Post by: Vector on March 25, 2016, 01:38:26 am
Three walked out.
Post by: notquitethere on March 25, 2016, 04:30:04 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 25, 2016, 05:58:55 am
Reminds me of all them detective noir/intrigue stories I've read too. Can't remember any of them other than all the background details inside. :'(
That said, gonna banter on # of roles > Average alignment power after a certain game is done. :P Had me thinking a lot.
Post by: webadict on March 25, 2016, 10:28:58 am
Man, I've missed the WebadictStories and the Tales of the Mafia Old Guard. Best narrative writers I've seen in a long time, even if it is 'just Mafia flavor' :PI would not consider my writing to be anywhere near great, but I will admit I had fun writing it. Had some nice inspiration and rolled with it.
Reminds me of all them detective noir/intrigue stories I've read too. Can't remember any of them other than all the background details inside. :'(
That said, gonna banter on # of roles > Average alignment power after a certain game is done. :P Had me thinking a lot.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 25, 2016, 11:44:16 am
Post by: webadict on March 25, 2016, 12:42:28 pm
I really liked the story, although Vector-accent confused me.Is Vector. Is only yoke, see?
Post by: Tiruin on March 25, 2016, 12:57:16 pm
I really liked the story, although Vector-accent confused me.It's a thing in German(?) wherein 'w' sounds like 'v'. So I was a bit surprised when the Volkswagen wasn't pronounced as I was used to pronounce it as. :P
Post by: Lenglon on March 25, 2016, 01:03:52 pm
((Volkswagen is German. No change needed to pronounce it with a German accent))I really liked the story, although Vector-accent confused me.It's a thing in German(?) wherein 'w' sounds like 'v'. So I was a bit surprised when the Volkswagen wasn't pronounced as I was used to pronounce it as. :P
Post by: webadict on March 25, 2016, 01:15:25 pm
Yeah, but their is a difference between a German Volkswagen to an English Volkswagen. It sounds more like Fohlks-vah-gen compared to Vohlks-wagon.((Volkswagen is German. No change needed to pronounce it with a German accent))I really liked the story, although Vector-accent confused me.It's a thing in German(?) wherein 'w' sounds like 'v'. So I was a bit surprised when the Volkswagen wasn't pronounced as I was used to pronounce it as. :P
Post by: notquitethere on March 31, 2016, 12:35:13 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on April 08, 2016, 12:22:07 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 08, 2016, 12:37:29 am
I suppose I should clarify that I was confused about how it got there, not what it was.I really liked the story, although Vector-accent confused me.Is Vector. Is only yoke, see?
Even though I'm like two weeks late.
Post by: webadict on April 08, 2016, 06:45:13 am
Mostly because she seems to enjoy languages, and those two seemed to happen more often. Plus, they have a bit of a special ops vibe to them, so might as well have her be one.I suppose I should clarify that I was confused about how it got there, not what it was.I really liked the story, although Vector-accent confused me.Is Vector. Is only yoke, see?
Even though I'm like two weeks late.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 08, 2016, 02:58:54 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 08, 2016, 11:32:59 pm
Plus, they have a bit of a special ops vibe to them, so might as well have her be one.My thoughts exactly <_<
(It's not like I'm profiling everyone's characteristics for RPG character use and stuff whenever games I play give that opportunity...)
Post by: TolyK on April 09, 2016, 04:39:21 am
(:P ?) :P
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 09, 2016, 09:17:51 am
I'm curious what you'd profile me as.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 09, 2016, 09:50:29 am
I'd be curious what you'd profile me as.You gotta fix your avatar.
(:P ?) :P
Post by: Jack A T on April 10, 2016, 01:39:21 am
I'm curious what you'd profile me as.
Question for everyone: What things outside of Mafia have most strongly influenced the way you play/look at Mafia?
For me, the most significant is the book How to Look Good in a War (http://www.plutobooks.com/display.asp?K=9780745331799), largely about the complexities of the relationship between transparency and secrecy. I was already looking at Mafia as centred around transparency and secrecy, so such a book was likely to have an impact. Main (but not only) result: my current approach of often looking specifically at what players choose not to say/do. That is, I now look specifically at what players choose not to reveal in addition to the material they reveal.
Post by: TolyK on April 10, 2016, 02:11:35 am
Post by: Shakerag on April 10, 2016, 03:15:05 am
Question for everyone: What things outside of Mafia have most strongly influenced the way you play/look at Mafia?The Catholic church. Think about it.
In orther news. I have discovered this thing called Midori. That has pretty much sealed the deal on me never not being an alcoholic. It's so fantastic.
In toether other news: Being an adult still sucks. Being a homeowning adult sucks harder. Enjoy your youth, kids.
Post by: webadict on April 11, 2016, 09:20:28 pm
I almost died.I'm curious what you'd profile me as.
Question for everyone: What things outside of Mafia have most strongly influenced the way you play/look at Mafia?
For me, the most significant is the book How to Look Good in a War (http://www.plutobooks.com/display.asp?K=9780745331799), largely about the complexities of the relationship between transparency and secrecy. I was already looking at Mafia as centred around transparency and secrecy, so such a book was likely to have an impact. Main (but not only) result: my current approach of often looking specifically at what players choose not to say/do. That is, I now look specifically at what players choose not to reveal in addition to the material they reveal.
Made me not be so mad and angry all the time. You know, after that initial mad and angry phase.
Post by: TolyK on April 12, 2016, 05:49:07 am
A People's History of the United States? (I haven't finished this one, actually...)
Post by: Tiruin on April 12, 2016, 08:19:35 am
My memory.I'm curious what you'd profile me as.
Question for everyone: What things outside of Mafia have most strongly influenced the way you play/look at Mafia?
Bluntly explained as 'I have a very, very distinct and unique feeling on remembering how conscience and existance was before being born', so it affects how I relate to other people and stuff. :O
But dear goodness I remember my first regular game as a newbie. <____< Broke into a cold sweat because Jim Groovester and many others were gonna lynch me D1 (although he was being very kindly and lenient, he was lynching me because I was a [badly playing Town] newwwwb that really didn't go as towny as I hoped to be).
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 12, 2016, 10:19:18 am
You know how when you pretend to be something else, and forget what you actually are, that your pretending is so good? And then have the sudden epithany of "WTF am I doing?" Yeah. Because of that, I think that day phase questioning becomes less effective as the game goes on, since mafia and thirds will have lied so much about being town that they might forget that they're mafia, or disconnect from the role. Which makes me more reliant on mechanical actions and night phase activity to win.I'm curious what you'd profile me as.
Question for everyone: What things outside of Mafia have most strongly influenced the way you play/look at Mafia?
For me, the most significant is the book How to Look Good in a War (http://www.plutobooks.com/display.asp?K=9780745331799), largely about the complexities of the relationship between transparency and secrecy. I was already looking at Mafia as centred around transparency and secrecy, so such a book was likely to have an impact. Main (but not only) result: my current approach of often looking specifically at what players choose not to say/do. That is, I now look specifically at what players choose not to reveal in addition to the material they reveal.
Post by: flabort on April 12, 2016, 08:19:31 pm
Question for everyone: What things outside of Mafia have most strongly influenced the way you play/look at Mafia?Pheonix Wright: Ace Attorney series
Aspergers Syndrome (Although doctors have perplexingly renamed it to Autism Spectrum Disorder; I'd honestly rather have a Syndrome than a Disorder, thanks! Disorder implies it's purely negative.)
Whatever popular media I have been watching or following recently
Living with my parents and having to defend my decision each and every time I'd rather stay home then go to one of my dad's music concerts (he plays trumpet)
Being a math nerd, Spreadsheets
Plot Twists in books and stuff
These are not necessarily in order.
Post by: Shakerag on April 12, 2016, 09:26:18 pm
Aspergers Syndrome (Although doctors have perplexingly renamed it to Autism Spectrum Disorder; I'd honestly rather have a Syndrome than a Disorder, thanks! Disorder implies it's purely negative.)Let me introduce you to my friend Thomas Szasz.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 12, 2016, 09:34:04 pm
Aspergers Syndrome (Although doctors have perplexingly renamed it to Autism Spectrum Disorder; I'd honestly rather have a Syndrome than a Disorder, thanks! Disorder implies it's purely negative.)It's Autism either way, so why have two different disorders for one particular spot on the spectrum? Aspergers is just a high functioning person on the spectrum.
Post by: hector13 on April 12, 2016, 09:51:14 pm
I will disagree with you, purely on the basis multiple members of my family have continuing existence in part due to psychiatry and/or psychology (I'm making the assumption the quote refers to both) including myself, to some extent.Aspergers Syndrome (Although doctors have perplexingly renamed it to Autism Spectrum Disorder; I'd honestly rather have a Syndrome than a Disorder, thanks! Disorder implies it's purely negative.)Let me introduce you to my friend Thomas Szasz.
Post by: Shakerag on April 12, 2016, 11:06:16 pm
(I'm making the assumption the quote refers to both)It does not.
Post by: hector13 on April 13, 2016, 01:35:58 am
Oh good. I'll rescind my comment then. Psychology is more my thing. At least psychologists acknowledge individual differences...(I'm making the assumption the quote refers to both)It does not.
Post by: Tiruin on April 13, 2016, 07:41:47 am
I'll disagree with you as a Psychology student who sees the DSM IV and its shift to DSM V. :PI will disagree with you, purely on the basis multiple members of my family have continuing existence in part due to psychiatry and/or psychology (I'm making the assumption the quote refers to both) including myself, to some extent.Aspergers Syndrome (Although doctors have perplexingly renamed it to Autism Spectrum Disorder; I'd honestly rather have a Syndrome than a Disorder, thanks! Disorder implies it's purely negative.)Let me introduce you to my friend Thomas Szasz.
But I'll poke them roots here. "Implies" is a powerful idea, just as much as many attributive words that connect something to a cause, like 'seems like' or 'feels like', it's a cognitive process helpful for our ways of understanding things; it should not be used as our only method to form conclusions however, because it's not a specific process. It's a process that gives 'possibly it can mean {x}'. It's not a process that gives "This means {x} so yeah. :I"
It does not mean an abnormality, since I'm using Psychological terms. Disorder means something that impacts multiple areas or aspects about your life, and may create distress from the symptoms experienced. It is not meant to have a negative connotation in of itself.
Also PDFs are your friend. I am being silly but I hope you can get it! :3 (http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Autism%20Spectrum%20Disorder%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf)
Do explicitly note, the constant use of 'may/tend'. This is used because of having to acknowledge the general situation, while also giving acknowledgement to possibility in specific situations and the differences that may occur--"this may happen" {is a general statement underlying the idea because of certain reasons; it does not mean "If you have {x} diagnosis, this may happen to you because you have it o_o"...pretty much because post-diagnosis, there's always counseling and information-giving}. The use of 'may' or any other idea that gives the meaning of possibility is also to give mention to an applied context within the current reality (that means 'things that happen to someone in realistic situations, due to how many factors exist'), along with giving mention to statistical understanding, then backed up by qualitative reinforcement.
Post by: pisskop on April 14, 2016, 08:16:25 pm
Im a little peeved with my current site
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 18, 2016, 06:11:46 pm
Post by: hector13 on April 18, 2016, 06:20:40 pm
mafia marathon is going to be going on for at least a year if the current rate continues.
Shhh.
God damn.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 18, 2016, 08:27:32 pm
Hey actually, for Mafia Marathon, do we think the lockout on talking games in progress should be based on the rounds, or on the entire game?
Post by: Mephansteras on April 24, 2016, 09:35:18 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 24, 2016, 09:35:59 pm
You'd have to significantly loredump.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 24, 2016, 09:38:36 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on April 24, 2016, 09:39:27 pm
ANd, yeah, the Ur-Quon Masters is the free Version. Should be required playing for anyone who likes games in any case.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 24, 2016, 10:23:29 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on April 26, 2016, 06:37:50 pm
In the meantime, I'm looking for some more people for Corruption Mafia.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 26, 2016, 07:35:41 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 26, 2016, 10:08:07 pm
And for that matter, I'm looking for more people for my BYOR.I think most people are just BYORed out. I know I am. I think I did three in rapid succession. So sorry about that.
Post by: hops on April 27, 2016, 06:19:26 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 27, 2016, 08:29:25 am
What about a Bring Your Own Raccoon mafia?CRAZY ENOUGH TO WORK!
You know how when you pretend to be something else, and forget what you actually are, that your pretending is so good? And then have the sudden epithany of "WTF am I doing?" Yeah. Because of that, I think that day phase questioning becomes less effective as the game goes on, since mafia and thirds will have lied so much about being town that they might forget that they're mafia, or disconnect from the role. Which makes me more reliant on mechanical actions and night phase activity to win.Yeah, I'm never like this- the day phase isn't my strong suit. But I'm more reliant on mechanics and night phase to win from the beginning of the game- it's just more understandable for me.
Playstyles, eh?
Huh. Well... that makes sense. And actually, I've been pushing around a Doctor Who themed setup that I could get evaluated and run that instead if my BYOR doesn't get its last three players...And for that matter, I'm looking for more people for my BYOR.I think most people are just BYORed out. I know I am. I think I did three in rapid succession. So sorry about that.
Post by: hector13 on April 27, 2016, 09:54:47 am
This is probably why I don't really enjoy BYOR games too much.
Post by: Shakerag on May 03, 2016, 11:25:47 pm
What the hell.Not surprised. A little irritated, maybe. Is there a player, who in a tie with me, who you would lynch over me given their respective meta play?Shakerag.
You played KOTM, so you'd know why.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on May 04, 2016, 06:50:13 am
:DWhat the hell.Not surprised. A little irritated, maybe. Is there a player, who in a tie with me, who you would lynch over me given their respective meta play?Shakerag.
You played KOTM, so you'd know why.
Not really, I wouldn't make KOTM a reason to lynch you, only if it was Flabort's situation where I had to decide based only on your meta play.
Post by: Shakerag on May 04, 2016, 09:27:02 am
Not really, I wouldn't make KOTM a reason to lynch you, only if it was Flabort's situation where I had to decide based only on your meta play.I don't even remember what happened in KOTM ... >_>
Post by: hector13 on May 04, 2016, 11:04:15 am
You stole his role before the game even started. Evidently this took away his mojo because he was lynched D1 as KING MAFIA.Not really, I wouldn't make KOTM a reason to lynch you, only if it was Flabort's situation where I had to decide based only on your meta play.I don't even remember what happened in KOTM ... >_>
Post by: Shakerag on May 05, 2016, 08:47:42 am
Ohh, riiiight. I think I vaguely remember that.You stole his role before the game even started. Evidently this took away his mojo because he was lynched D1 as KING MAFIA.Not really, I wouldn't make KOTM a reason to lynch you, only if it was Flabort's situation where I had to decide based only on your meta play.I don't even remember what happened in KOTM ... >_>
Edit: Although, I -am- still pissed at flabs for BYOR 13.
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 09, 2016, 11:21:25 pm
Although, I -am- still pissed at flabs for BYOR 13.Oh yeah I remember that. Good times, good times.
If only he'd had the guts to hammer both of you, the game might have come out very different.
Post by: Caz on May 19, 2016, 12:48:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I just read this and holy shit well done. !gun webadict
Post by: notquitethere on June 10, 2016, 02:42:53 pm
Post by: Persus13 on June 10, 2016, 04:54:20 pm
Or if Tomb Raider had 13 Lara Crofts and 3 of them were secretly good.Lara Croft is evil?
Speaking of cooperative puzzle games, have any of y'all played the Battlestar Galactica board-game? It's like Mafia meets Pandemic in the flavor of the TV show.
Post by: Mephansteras on June 10, 2016, 06:15:41 pm
Or if Tomb Raider had 13 Lara Crofts and 3 of them were secretly good.Lara Croft is evil?
Speaking of cooperative puzzle games, have any of y'all played the Battlestar Galactica board-game? It's like Mafia meets Pandemic in the flavor of the TV show.
I haven't, but I really want to. It sounds great from everything I've heard.
Post by: Persus13 on June 10, 2016, 06:19:12 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 10, 2016, 07:27:58 pm
Battlestar boardgame is a bit fiddly but I enjoyed it. I was a secret bad guy and accused someone else. When other people weren't looking, I'd wink at her across the table and it infuriated her so much! Good times.
Post by: Tomasque on June 11, 2016, 06:30:03 am
Speaking of cooperative puzzle games, have any of y'all played the Battlestar Galactica board-game? It's like Mafia meets Pandemic in the flavor of the TV show.A little bit. It's quite fun!
Post by: Tomasque on June 17, 2016, 03:45:28 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on June 17, 2016, 04:39:31 pm
I need a replacement for Fallacy for just a round in Mafia Marathon. Any takers?
I'll do it.
Post by: notquitethere on June 22, 2016, 01:51:25 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on June 22, 2016, 03:07:42 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 23, 2016, 04:22:29 am
Post by: TolyK on June 24, 2016, 03:35:58 pm
Finals are done and I'm starting (continuing?) work on a mafia engine and/or a (theoretical) mafia research paper. Hopefully both, assuming I don't distract myself too much.
Post by: notquitethere on June 28, 2016, 03:17:02 pm
Would anyone like to swap in for FillipK in Puzzle Temple Panic! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158686.msg7043840;topicseen#new)? He's without internet at the moment. Maybe someone who likes deduction and solving games?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 28, 2016, 07:27:47 pm
Would anyone like to swap in for FillipK in Puzzle Temple Panic! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158686.msg7043840;topicseen#new)? He's without internet at the moment. Maybe someone who likes deduction and solving games?... in a heartbeat.
Post by: notquitethere on June 28, 2016, 07:59:51 pm
Thanks! Hope you enjoy!Would anyone like to swap in for FillipK in Puzzle Temple Panic! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158686.msg7043840;topicseen#new)? He's without internet at the moment. Maybe someone who likes deduction and solving games?... in a heartbeat.
Post by: notquitethere on July 02, 2016, 12:45:51 pm
Post by: Shakerag on July 11, 2016, 01:34:29 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on July 15, 2016, 06:23:35 pm
You'd still have to follow the rules of the site and actual laws though so no personal attacks or derailing threads that clearly don't want your discussion.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 15, 2016, 06:31:27 pm
Would PMs between players be allowed?
Post by: Leafsnail on July 15, 2016, 07:03:14 pm
Post by: Shakerag on July 16, 2016, 03:09:51 am
Yeah players could talk via PMs or any other format they want. Just don't break the rules of the forums/the land/basic human decency.Ahh well, so much for that.
Post by: Shakerag on July 18, 2016, 12:33:47 pm
Game over! Thanks to all who showed up!
http://pyx-2.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=87 (http://pyx-2.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=87)
password: b12
Will start up whenever there's enough people. Offer only good for the next hour!
New game up!
http://pyx-2.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=45 (http://pyx-2.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=45)
password: b12
Trigger warning: Everything. We're in "I'm going to hell for this" mode.
Game will run from 12:30 - 1:30 PM CST
Game over! Thanks to all you horrible people!
Post by: fillipk on August 05, 2016, 10:22:21 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 08, 2016, 11:22:05 pm
I need a few more people for mind reading mafia. Come join in the fun.
...I'll see myself out now :P
Post by: TolyK on August 14, 2016, 04:59:55 pm
Post by: fillipk on August 20, 2016, 06:53:39 pm
Post by: hector13 on August 20, 2016, 06:57:53 pm
Post by: hector13 on August 22, 2016, 08:22:30 am
Post by: hector13 on September 05, 2016, 01:03:23 pm
Need 2 replacements for the BM, non-IC roles. Would be much appreciated if anybody could fill 'em.
Post by: fillipk on September 16, 2016, 06:42:51 pm
Post by: Tomasque on September 16, 2016, 11:09:02 pm
I need a replacement for The Moonlit Shadow until he comes back (time unknown). Could be permanent.
Post by: hector13 on September 17, 2016, 07:02:41 am
Post by: Tomasque on September 23, 2016, 04:08:40 pm
...I guess I'll jump on the replacements-wanted bandwagon:I got the replacement I needed.
I need a replacement for The Moonlit Shadow until he comes back (time unknown). Could be permanent.
Post by: fillipk on October 05, 2016, 02:55:08 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 07, 2016, 05:51:40 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 07, 2016, 06:29:27 pm
All in favor?
Post by: fillipk on October 07, 2016, 06:36:14 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 07, 2016, 06:37:40 pm
I could make a replacements thread if that was wanted.Requesting a No to that.
All in favor?
Because we already have a stickied thread dedicated to those things--it's just not in the title.
Quote from: Games Threshold Discussion and List
Basically, this is where we talk about what games are active, what games are in the queue, and figure out a decent starting point for the various game so that we don't have a giant glut of games killing activity.
Here is a breakdown of games running (or full), in the sign-up stage, and planned. I will try to keep it updated on a fairly regular basis.
Mods: Please look at the list of games running and in the queue before you start sign-ups for your games! We want to keep things manageable around here, and restraint on the part of mods is one of the best ways we have of doing that.
Also, please let me know when you put a game into signups, it starts, or ends so I can update this list. Putting my name in bold with the game that is being affected is the best way to do this.
Post by: Shakerag on October 09, 2016, 05:05:24 pm
Having said that, this might be the most I've played on a weekend.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 10, 2016, 07:43:41 pm
The same guy who aggravated Wuba so much with his roles that he was made an SK-ally in a BYOR in an effort to make him lose?
Post by: Shakerag on October 10, 2016, 10:18:27 pm
I'm sorry, did I just hear Shakerag utter the words "you are a dick"?Which I still won, I might add. Much to the chagrin of the entire subforum.
The same guy who aggravated Wuba so much with his roles that he was made an SK-ally in a BYOR in an effort to make him lose?
I suppose the whole "it takes one to know one" rule would make me significantly qualified to point out when someone else is being a dick, n'est-ce pas?
Post by: Weirdo on October 11, 2016, 07:52:08 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 11, 2016, 09:33:16 am
Hm. Mafia, huh?It's like, deep, man.
Post by: UXLZ on October 11, 2016, 10:42:30 am
Post by: Weirdo on October 11, 2016, 12:27:25 pm
Post by: hops on October 11, 2016, 04:33:11 pm
But I can't find any.
What is this madness
Post by: Weirdo on October 11, 2016, 04:46:09 pm
I could've sworn there are always like a new Mafia game daily...That's what I'm wondering, my Thai friend. Hope the studies are coming along well!
But I can't find any.
What is this madness
But yes. MORE MAFIA!
Post by: Shakerag on October 11, 2016, 05:20:07 pm
Post by: hops on October 11, 2016, 05:51:49 pm
Post by: hector13 on October 11, 2016, 10:01:51 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 12, 2016, 04:34:53 am
Someone should make a bastard so that we can have a lul instead.You don't know how much this comment temps me.
Post by: Tiruin on October 12, 2016, 07:52:22 am
We seriously need a simple bastard game :I And that's me using 'seriously' as an intensifier. We could do with a beginner's bastard game. :P But honestly, I do think we need that.Someone should make a bastard so that we can have a lul instead.You don't know how much this comment temps me.
AND I WANNA SEE YOU PLAYING AGAIN, CINDER D:< WHY'D YOU DISAPPEAR[/capslock]
Post by: TheWetSheep on October 12, 2016, 08:15:03 am
Post by: hops on October 13, 2016, 06:28:53 am
I'm busy and not talkative and over here that usually means "she scum lynch she"We seriously need a simple bastard game :I And that's me using 'seriously' as an intensifier. We could do with a beginner's bastard game. :P But honestly, I do think we need that.Someone should make a bastard so that we can have a lul instead.You don't know how much this comment temps me.
AND I WANNA SEE YOU PLAYING AGAIN, CINDER D:< WHY'D YOU DISAPPEAR[/capslock]
Post by: Shakerag on October 13, 2016, 08:41:53 am
oh god not againSomeone should make a bastard so that we can have a lul instead.You don't know how much this comment temps me.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 13, 2016, 08:48:36 am
1. 9 or so players, willing to stick in it for the long run in order to minimize replacements.
2. A favorable place in the queue.
3. A lack of procrastination on my part.
4. An experienced player or two, preferably Mephansteras, to vet it.
5. A certain book. Which I already have.
6. Me actually finishing the design. Or starting on it.
Thoughts on how difficult these 6 steps are?
Alternatively, there's the design that'll take preferably 21 players and will involve a dead king's will.
Post by: hector13 on October 13, 2016, 08:54:48 am
Lots of replacements needed in recent games, too.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 13, 2016, 08:56:27 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 13, 2016, 09:00:08 am
The first setup I mentioned does seem to be ideal though, considering the unlikeliness of getting a large number of players.
Post by: TolyK on October 13, 2016, 04:00:09 pm
I still have that mafia game engine half-made, sitting on my computer, though. Hmm...
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 15, 2016, 05:01:46 pm
To all those scared about another batshit game or hopeful for my return, I must say that my third year of college ("uni") is taking its toll. Also Hearthstone, though that's more taking its toll on uni...Oh it's you. :P
I still have that mafia game engine half-made, sitting on my computer, though. Hmm...
Post by: UXLZ on October 15, 2016, 08:44:45 pm
Post by: Lenglon on October 17, 2016, 11:07:22 am
Post by: Tomasque on October 20, 2016, 11:51:02 am
Tomasque, you are a dick for not telling me weekends were active time in this game.Heh. I don't hang around the Banter thread much, so I didn't catch this until now. Anyway,
Having said that, this might be the most I've played on a weekend.
...The same guy who aggravated Wuba so much with his roles...Bastard roles? Really really dickish bastard roles? My interest is piqued. Please show me some.
Post by: Shakerag on October 20, 2016, 12:50:42 pm
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Just go peek at the BYOR games webadict ran.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 20, 2016, 01:18:06 pm
LinkplsBastard roles? Really really dickish bastard roles? My interest is piqued. Please show me some.Just go peek at the BYOR games webadict ran.
Post by: Shakerag on October 20, 2016, 01:37:42 pm
Here you go (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=BYOR+site:bay12forums.com)LinkplsBastard roles? Really really dickish bastard roles? My interest is piqued. Please show me some.Just go peek at the BYOR games webadict ran.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 20, 2016, 01:40:10 pm
........Here you go (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=BYOR+site:bay12forums.com)LinkplsBastard roles? Really really dickish bastard roles? My interest is piqued. Please show me some.Just go peek at the BYOR games webadict ran.
Shakerag
Post by: Shakerag on October 20, 2016, 01:51:49 pm
Did you or did you not get what you asked for?........Here you go (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=BYOR+site:bay12forums.com)LinkplsBastard roles? Really really dickish bastard roles? My interest is piqued. Please show me some.Just go peek at the BYOR games webadict ran.
Shakerag
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 20, 2016, 01:55:26 pm
What I got:A Google search.
>:(
Buuuuut I found one anyway.
Post by: fillipk on October 20, 2016, 02:02:40 pm
What I wanted:Link to a webadict BYOR you were in.You do know that most of the links in the google search were to Webadict BYOR games right?
What I got:A Google search.
>:(
Buuuuut I found one anyway.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 20, 2016, 02:03:00 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 20, 2016, 02:41:08 pm
Oh man that was fantastic.
Good job Shakerag.
Post by: fillipk on November 01, 2016, 08:24:26 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 02, 2016, 11:32:14 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 06, 2016, 10:01:45 pm
I've been on the League of Legends forums for months now and I didn't recognize one of the other mafia players despite us both having the same names as here...
Post by: hector13 on December 06, 2016, 10:40:09 pm
Post by: Tiruin on December 06, 2016, 11:05:17 pm
Who was it, out of curiousity?I'm betting it's BHK :P He's a really good LoL player.
Oh god I feel like an idiot.So how goes Mafia over there :I
I've been on the League of Legends forums for months now and I didn't recognize one of the other mafia players despite us both having the same names as here...
We miss you over here.
And to bop the topic--hammer games: While I'd not nudge the game mechanics, can there be some sort of limit? Because indefinite time periods + majority votes + RL getting in the way for some players may cause complications in the end-game where there are few players and a lack of traction.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on December 07, 2016, 12:11:10 am
Not necessarily?Who was it, out of curiousity?I'm betting it's BHK :P He's a really good LoL player.
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 07, 2016, 12:14:04 am
It was TheMoonlitShadow, for the record.
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 10, 2017, 04:46:58 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2017, 09:21:01 am
Post by: Tomasque on January 10, 2017, 09:31:04 am
I'd just like to tell the Mafia marathon that I followed the games religiously and loved the whole of it. I'm amazed you managed to keep that monster session going for what might as well be a whole year!Thanks :D
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 10, 2017, 01:20:08 pm
Post by: hector13 on January 10, 2017, 02:09:06 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 10, 2017, 02:44:10 pm
Post by: webadict on January 24, 2017, 03:23:42 pm
What I wanted:Link to a webadict BYOR you were in.Yeah, my games were the best.
What I got:A Google search.
>:(
Buuuuut I found one anyway.
Post by: Shakerag on January 25, 2017, 09:47:41 am
When you stuck around to finish them, anyway >_>What I wanted:Link to a webadict BYOR you were in.Yeah, my games were the best.
What I got:A Google search.
>:(
Buuuuut I found one anyway.
Welcome back, you old asshole.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 25, 2017, 11:00:50 am
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2017, 01:06:42 pm
I've got a Paranormal in signups, web, if you want to dust off your mafia skills and play again.Well, I would, but I will eventually disappear again. I can't make that kinda commitment in good faith.
Yeeeeeah, I got super busy all the times.When you stuck around to finish them, anyway >_>What I wanted:Link to a webadict BYOR you were in.Yeah, my games were the best.
What I got:A Google search.
>:(
Buuuuut I found one anyway.
Welcome back, you old asshole.
Post by: Persus13 on February 24, 2017, 02:20:44 pm
Post by: webadict on February 24, 2017, 03:20:26 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 24, 2017, 03:21:51 pm
Post by: webadict on February 24, 2017, 03:26:10 pm
I didn't find it all too fun as much as confusing.That's how I usually feel about that stuff, honestly. I like most things consigned to a Role PM and Role Actions.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 24, 2017, 03:27:46 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 24, 2017, 03:42:37 pm
So I take it PUZZLE TEMPLE PANIC (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158686.0) is dead now? Just remembered that game after looking up NQT because I hadn't seen him around recently.As far as I know. Still listed as being on hiatus, though.
That said - I do think that it was a good concept, just not executed in the best way ever. Use cases for varoous items were remarkably unclear.Roll to Mafia is going to be more like Puzzle Temple Panic than a traditional mafia game. I don't suppose you have any suggestions to make a game of that type work better?
I figure the more ideas I have, the better.Flabort's Second High Powered BYOR ran while you were gone. Quote the Notable Games Archive: "A full-bastard BYOR variant in which each player submits 2-8 roles, which are largely distributed randomly. The result: 13 players. 80 roles. Infinite actions. 1 loser. 16 winners. 10 days."
If you're looking for ideas, I recommend reading that. Mafia Marathon might work better for ideas, though, though it wasn't as flashy.
Post by: webadict on February 24, 2017, 03:56:30 pm
I'm not High Powered BYOR crazy. I intend to aim for a BYOR where you are given choices, chances, and chaos. I'm going to experiment with giving the players some choices in the type of role they get. There's no reason they have to do so, but I want to see if it makes it more fun to have choice or if they like being thrown against 7 SKs.So I take it PUZZLE TEMPLE PANIC (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158686.0) is dead now? Just remembered that game after looking up NQT because I hadn't seen him around recently.As far as I know. Still listed as being on hiatus, though.That said - I do think that it was a good concept, just not executed in the best way ever. Use cases for varoous items were remarkably unclear.Roll to Mafia is going to be more like Puzzle Temple Panic than a traditional mafia game. I don't suppose you have any suggestions to make a game of that type work better?I figure the more ideas I have, the better.Flabort's Second High Powered BYOR ran while you were gone. Quote the Notable Games Archive: "A full-bastard BYOR variant in which each player submits 2-8 roles, which are largely distributed randomly. The result: 13 players. 80 roles. Infinite actions. 1 loser. 16 winners. 10 days."
If you're looking for ideas, I recommend reading that. Mafia Marathon might work better for ideas, though, though it wasn't as flashy.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 24, 2017, 04:20:23 pm
Post by: webadict on February 24, 2017, 04:28:49 pm
Like BYOR 5?I'm gonna be honest, I can't keep track of which games are which. Every BYOR has been a test to see if I could balance roles. The answer is usually 'Almost.'
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 24, 2017, 06:55:30 pm
Also Trolls.
... maybe you can re-read your own games for inspiration?
Post by: webadict on February 24, 2017, 07:02:46 pm
BYOR 5 was the one where every player got 3 options for abilities, which they could then pick two of. Except the player who submitted "webadict", who would get a certain ability automatically even if he didn't pick it. Also, every player had at least one hidden thing in their role.Oh yeah, the super broken one... 5.5.
Also Trolls.
... maybe you can re-read your own games for inspiration?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 25, 2017, 12:07:07 pm
Give out little blurbs with items that tell us what they do.So I take it PUZZLE TEMPLE PANIC (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158686.0) is dead now? Just remembered that game after looking up NQT because I hadn't seen him around recently.As far as I know. Still listed as being on hiatus, though.That said - I do think that it was a good concept, just not executed in the best way ever. Use cases for varoous items were remarkably unclear.Roll to Mafia is going to be more like Puzzle Temple Panic than a traditional mafia game. I don't suppose you have any suggestions to make a game of that type work better?
Post by: webadict on February 25, 2017, 02:39:51 pm
...Wait, isn't that what a role PM is?Give out little blurbs with items that tell us what they do.So I take it PUZZLE TEMPLE PANIC (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158686.0) is dead now? Just remembered that game after looking up NQT because I hadn't seen him around recently.As far as I know. Still listed as being on hiatus, though.That said - I do think that it was a good concept, just not executed in the best way ever. Use cases for varoous items were remarkably unclear.Roll to Mafia is going to be more like Puzzle Temple Panic than a traditional mafia game. I don't suppose you have any suggestions to make a game of that type work better?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 25, 2017, 03:29:23 pm
Yeah, but these weren't at all clear....Wait, isn't that what a role PM is?Give out little blurbs with items that tell us what they do.So I take it PUZZLE TEMPLE PANIC (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158686.0) is dead now? Just remembered that game after looking up NQT because I hadn't seen him around recently.As far as I know. Still listed as being on hiatus, though.That said - I do think that it was a good concept, just not executed in the best way ever. Use cases for varoous items were remarkably unclear.Roll to Mafia is going to be more like Puzzle Temple Panic than a traditional mafia game. I don't suppose you have any suggestions to make a game of that type work better?
Post by: TolyK on February 26, 2017, 03:38:36 am
If so.. gotta think a bit...
Post by: webadict on February 26, 2017, 08:20:57 am
Wait, Wuba, we should send in role names before we can !in ?If you'd like. I already have 3.
If so.. gotta think a bit...
Also need a theme.
Post by: birdy51 on February 26, 2017, 09:29:17 pm
Also, hello. I don't plan on playing, I'm just poking my head in for shits and giggles.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 26, 2017, 09:58:24 pm
Post by: webadict on February 26, 2017, 10:04:59 pm
Birbs. The theme is birbs.What are birbs?
Also, hello. I don't plan on playing, I'm just poking my head in for shits and giggles.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 27, 2017, 05:47:04 pm
Post by: Shakerag on February 27, 2017, 06:30:33 pm
Oh. This is what they are. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=birbs)Birbs. The theme is birbs.What are birbs?
Also, hello. I don't plan on playing, I'm just poking my head in for shits and giggles.
Post by: webadict on February 27, 2017, 07:23:05 pm
Oh, I see. This is what you kids these days call a "me-me."Oh. This is what they are. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=birbs)Birbs. The theme is birbs.What are birbs?
Also, hello. I don't plan on playing, I'm just poking my head in for shits and giggles.
Post by: hops on February 28, 2017, 06:31:31 am
Post by: webadict on February 28, 2017, 07:11:25 am
It's the meme generationArcheologists will dig up this thread centuries later and revel in the dankness of it all.
Post by: birdy51 on March 01, 2017, 09:52:29 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 02, 2017, 01:03:37 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 10, 2017, 01:14:58 pm
Post by: webadict on March 10, 2017, 01:49:33 pm
Is there anybody not in FBYOR 2 who would like to be?Gotta drop out?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 10, 2017, 02:31:13 pm
No.Is there anybody not in FBYOR 2 who would like to be?Gotta drop out?
Post by: webadict on March 10, 2017, 02:47:07 pm
Omfg, you can't be serious.No.Is there anybody not in FBYOR 2 who would like to be?Gotta drop out?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 10, 2017, 06:31:18 pm
I don't know what you're talking about.Omfg, you can't be serious.No.Is there anybody not in FBYOR 2 who would like to be?Gotta drop out?
Post by: doll on March 13, 2017, 07:42:27 am
Sociopath is a depreciated term, even though the DSM still carries the meaning it used to hold before even Hare's research, which is hilarious because Hare's research is the social truth of the meaning of the term in common parlance (as a general rule) and the more recent and certainly more authoritative academic position thereon. However, with the advances in Personality and Individual Differences research, and the development of three factor Dark Triad theory to complement the now established 'big five', "sociopath" has lost it's meaning as no longer is it considered a post-natally developed condition of synonymous mannerisms to the inherent trait of psychopathy which in new(ish and ongoing) research has been replaced with a spectrum variegated (that is, blended amongst the many wholes) in source and outcome, and indeed it has lost most meaning altogether. With more sophisticated (that is, more recent and more specific) research into the topic thereof (that is, psychopathy), the development of primary/secondary categories has resulted in a revival of the usage of a cosmetic synonym of sociopathy in the secondary (and learned, primarily) strain of psychopathy, yet such a definition falls short of Hare's developed (that is, in a visible non-psychopath) psychopathic behavior that was called sociopathy as the traits and behaviors expected of primary and secondary psychopaths are different indeed and in many ways quite opposite."Cool." Webadict sends two barrels of shot into the Doppelganger War Vet's brain.I'm glad I'm a sociopath in fake life, too.
Since y'all seem to know each other, I'll ask in general rather than addressing her directly: what is (or was) Tiruin's field of study within psychology?
Alternatively, am I just completely wrong about her being a psychology student and I somehow misremembered her prior posts?
TheBiggerFish since you and the webadict have meta-told so thoroughly, I'll say "yes" just to see what happens (and because I have time to deal with most outcomes that may arise and FoU already has my role name).
E: Whereof one cannot write clearly in the first instance, and one seeks to be a snob amidst an academic context, thereof one should revise their work intensively.
Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2017, 07:49:34 am
Since y'all seem to know each other, I'll ask in general rather than addressing her directly: what is (or was) Tiruin's field of study within psychology?Heeeeey. I don't think anyone got that deep to know stuff about me but I am deeply grateful of people asking X3
Alternatively, am I just completely wrong about her being a psychology student and I somehow misremembered her prior posts?
TheBiggerFish since you've and the webadict have meta-told so thoroughly, I'll say "yes" just to see what happens (and because I have time to deal with most outcomes that may and he already has my role name).
4 year starting course; still have to go to masterals, also from the Philippines, just graduating this May or so. \o/
And yes I'm a psychology student, but probably someone who studied a lot more than what was in the curriculum because of [reasons], which is fully affected by my forgetfulness. :I So yes you're remembering quite right.
Hee~ Academic snobbery.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2017, 09:41:41 pm
Post by: hops on March 31, 2017, 06:31:29 am
Post by: doll on March 31, 2017, 06:36:18 am
I'm allowed one Bah post, Tirrrr.A) That's not a Bah post, you explicitly refer to in-game information. Outside of the numerous flaws of the entire institution, what you've posted is still clearly over the line
B) You're now spreading this across multiple threads
C) Bah posts aren't made at night in any case
Please don't do this again
Post by: hops on March 31, 2017, 06:38:04 am
Post by: doll on March 31, 2017, 06:42:44 am
Post by: hops on March 31, 2017, 07:18:38 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 31, 2017, 07:29:47 am
Ok, sorry.Snipped mine too :P
Post by: hops on March 31, 2017, 07:31:15 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 31, 2017, 07:37:33 am
I still really don't see how mentioning that I'm allowed one bah post will result in any game-changing information, though.In normal games--nope!
This...however isn't a 'normal'/vanilla game ._. Usually -YOR type games (Bring "Your Own Role" or Fallacy...Your Own Role, as in FYOR or a nice take using his name in it anyway) have unorthodox abilities which aren't the norm.
To use an in-game example--TBF's resurrect or 'bring others who aren't playing into the game' ability :O
And the bah post should be in the day. :P NOT during night. Because while FoU hasn't locked the thread [and I can see how that may give the impression that it's okay], it's still not okay to do that.
But you're okay :P I saw the thing before it was edited.
Post by: hops on March 31, 2017, 07:42:57 am
Post by: webadict on March 31, 2017, 05:17:12 pm
doll, I'm a new member, I don't know why you're salty as fuck about literally everything I do. It's already revealed I'm town. So it's revealed that my suspicion is real. And it was night immediately after I was lynched.Ah, don't try to take it so hard. It happens. Just take it in stride. Also, feel free to vent in deadchat!
Post by: TolyK on March 31, 2017, 05:36:21 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 31, 2017, 06:40:45 pm
Deadchat is literally mean for venting and producing sig-text quotes!Evidence: my sig.
Post by: TolyK on March 31, 2017, 06:49:47 pm
By the way, I have been rereading a LOT of the old BM games (incidentally, because I was parsing them)... Conventions have changed quite a bit. There's also higher inactivity now, though before it was mostly dealt with there being a LOT of replacements... There were some other intersting facts, but it's 3 AM and I probably should go to sleep.
Post by: hector13 on March 31, 2017, 08:05:24 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2017, 02:25:12 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 05, 2017, 02:57:33 pm
Good to see a returning mafia player. We have a bit of a shortage right now.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 05, 2017, 05:33:14 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2017, 05:39:09 pm
Long time no see. Life's fine, thank you.Don't know that I'll play yet, but I hadn't wandered down here in a long time so thought I'd stop by.
Good to see a returning mafia player. We have a bit of a shortage right now.
Man that's a throwback. Heya Hapah!Amazing how time flies. Doesn't seem like long but I guess it's been 2 or 3 years, at least.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 05, 2017, 06:05:28 pm
Welcome back, I guess.
Post by: webadict on April 05, 2017, 08:22:45 pm
What up?Long time no see. Life's fine, thank you.Don't know that I'll play yet, but I hadn't wandered down here in a long time so thought I'd stop by.
Good to see a returning mafia player. We have a bit of a shortage right now.Man that's a throwback. Heya Hapah!Amazing how time flies. Doesn't seem like long but I guess it's been 2 or 3 years, at least.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 05, 2017, 08:48:57 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2017, 11:17:07 pm
What up?Not much boss! You still run the occasional game around here?
Speaking of, Exquisite Cops needs a replacement.I'll give the rules and setup a read tomorrow and see if I'm interested, then!
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 05, 2017, 11:52:27 pm
He still plays games around here, nowadays.What up?Not much boss! You still run the occasional game around here?
Post by: Toaster on April 06, 2017, 12:08:29 am
Heyo strangers. How's life?
Howdy!
It's interesting, certainly.
Post by: Shakerag on April 06, 2017, 08:54:32 am
Heyo strangers. How's life?Instinctively reaches for shovel.
Post by: Hapah on April 06, 2017, 09:39:34 am
I need it. It takes shovels to build tunnels, yeah?Heyo strangers. How's life?Instinctively reaches for shovel.
Post by: webadict on April 06, 2017, 12:35:43 pm
I got two in sign ups I'm waiting for. One BYOR and one where I'm gonna do a lot of odd nonsense.What up?Not much boss! You still run the occasional game around here?Speaking of, Exquisite Cops needs a replacement.I'll give the rules and setup a read tomorrow and see if I'm interested, then!
Post by: Mephansteras on April 06, 2017, 12:41:12 pm
Hey Meph, how's Distant Colony going? I see you're running it again.
Not too bad. Had a few issues with people dropping out, but fortunately that doesn't hurt the game too much. And the new rules set runs much smoother.
Post by: Shakerag on April 06, 2017, 03:06:22 pm
I got two in sign ups I'm waiting for. One BYOR and one where I'm gonna do a lot of odd nonsense.Repeating yourself in your old age?
Post by: Hapah on April 06, 2017, 06:11:56 pm
Post by: webadict on April 06, 2017, 08:16:56 pm
True, didn't think that one through.I got two in sign ups I'm waiting for. One BYOR and one where I'm gonna do a lot of odd nonsense.Repeating yourself in your old age?
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2017, 11:23:36 pm
I recall trying to mafia on my iPod, and this DS would be even worse. *shudders*
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 12, 2017, 02:53:25 am
Once I get a computer again I'm planning on jumping in on the crazier games.CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!
I recall trying to mafia on my iPod, and this DS would be even worse. *shudders*
Good to see you again!
Post by: doll on April 12, 2017, 04:02:50 am
I'm planning on jumping in on the crazier games.At least 75% of the games in the queue at present are pretty wack, though there are only two (?) full bastards.
There's actually a fairly large list of players, though activity seems to come and go.
If everyone who posted occasionally right now posted frequently, I think there would quite a few players (including the various people who were almost in a BM and the new players who seem to appear every game).
I am glad to see toaster back
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 12, 2017, 06:28:26 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 12, 2017, 07:08:56 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 12, 2017, 08:45:50 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 12, 2017, 08:52:11 pm
Post by: Shakerag on April 12, 2017, 10:14:42 pm
Well since no one else said anything to you... Who are you again?HiiiiiiiiiOnce I get a computer again I'm planning on jumping in on the crazier games.CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!
I recall trying to mafia on my iPod, and this DS would be even worse. *shudders*
Good to see you again!
I'm back! No open Mafia's though, and I guess that's a bit of a relief. I've always sucked at them, but they were really fun.
Also Mafia Marathon ended. That was great.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 12, 2017, 10:42:03 pm
HiiiiiiiiiOnce I get a computer again I'm planning on jumping in on the crazier games.CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!
I recall trying to mafia on my iPod, and this DS would be even worse. *shudders*
Good to see you again!
I'm back! No open Mafia's though, and I guess that's a bit of a relief. I've always sucked at them, but they were really fun.
Also Mafia Marathon ended. That was great.
Whoops, forgot about this with the new page.
Anyway, welcome back TMS.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 12, 2017, 11:13:46 pm
I don't have time to actually play, but I could mod a BM if someone suggests flavor.Every player is a nation with nuclear capabilities in a cold war that the United Nations (the town) have been trying to end.
Mafia are nations with hackers that access other nation's nukes and make them self-destruct in the silos, destroying that country.
Or do you want something different?
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 12, 2017, 11:22:27 pm
I don't have time to actually play, but I could mod a BM if someone suggests flavor.Every player is a nation with nuclear capabilities in a cold war that the United Nations (the town) have been trying to end.
Mafia are nations with hackers that access other nation's nukes and make them self-destruct in the silos, destroying that country.
Or do you want something different?
Eh, that should work. If we're lucky we'll get something silly like a US-North Korea scumteam. :P
Post by: mastahcheese on April 13, 2017, 12:12:23 am
I would have advised against naming the countries, but that sounds hilarious.I don't have time to actually play, but I could mod a BM if someone suggests flavor.Every player is a nation with nuclear capabilities in a cold war that the United Nations (the town) have been trying to end.
Mafia are nations with hackers that access other nation's nukes and make them self-destruct in the silos, destroying that country.
Or do you want something different?
Eh, that should work. If we're lucky we'll get something silly like a US-North Korea scumteam. :P
Post by: TolyK on April 13, 2017, 09:05:06 am
I approve of TMS's return (?).
and I'm off...
Post by: hector13 on April 13, 2017, 01:26:41 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 13, 2017, 10:46:49 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on April 13, 2017, 10:48:49 pm
Post by: Shakerag on April 13, 2017, 10:57:05 pm
what the fuck am I playingJesus dude, get your hand out of your pants and see a doctor.
Post by: Tiruin on April 14, 2017, 03:31:07 am
I think I Shenanigans'd hard enough that I broke FoU.Hey, game still going on D:< You no post here.
Because I'd be saying I broke too alongside everyone else going wat.
BUT THAT AFFECTS THE GAME.
So stop. :P
Post by: Deus Asmoth on April 14, 2017, 08:24:38 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 14, 2017, 04:14:54 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 15, 2017, 01:42:45 am
Post by: webadict on April 15, 2017, 08:08:40 am
Just spent the past 3-4 hours reading different mafia games. What am I doing with my life.Majoring in history
Post by: doll on April 15, 2017, 08:55:52 am
Majoring in historyNot much then?
Post by: Gentlefish on April 15, 2017, 03:42:25 pm
Majoring in historyNot much then?
(https://pics.me.me/absolutely-barbaric-3381926.png)
Post by: Tiruin on April 15, 2017, 09:20:55 pm
I remember when I saw that kind of thing on imgur--it included a lot of other nicely detailed drawings. :PMajoring in historyNot much then?
(https://pics.me.me/absolutely-barbaric-3381926.png)
...That people turned into memes.
But doll, you're silly. :P :)
Post by: doll on April 15, 2017, 11:45:20 pm
But doll, you're silly. :P :)All the best HCA authors are either mathematicians going on summer holiday or so influenced by the young hegelians (or are young hegelians themselves) that they qualify as social scientists. I mean, they probably get the modernists, but while joyce is excellent he probably isn't enough to justify an entire faculty on his own.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 16, 2017, 05:58:24 am
Post by: doll on April 16, 2017, 07:31:33 am
P25 was a very fun and exciting game with only a few times when inactivity really struck it down, because it had a lot of players to choose from so there was something going on even when there were players missing or not posting. Of course, the presence of inactivity dominated the daygame in terms of hunting options, but still.
Also, recently it seems the forum comes to a complete standstill on weekends. I surprised at this since so far as I can tell everyone has got work or is in uni, but as soon as there's a lick of free time posting drops to a dead standstill.
Regardless, the lack of games is much more pressing than a lack of players. When we're able to put games into signups and not get them filled, that's when it's worth looking to bolster our numbers. To say we can do that, though, we'd need games in signups.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 16, 2017, 12:45:57 pm
Give me more reading material, peasants!
Post by: Lenglon on April 16, 2017, 12:54:41 pm
Any BYOR's starting up soon?
Post by: webadict on April 16, 2017, 01:32:18 pm
...Well, if I could steal a place at the front of the line, I would gladly run a BYOR.
Any BYOR's starting up soon?
Post by: Lenglon on April 16, 2017, 01:52:54 pm
Well, I took something along the lines of a what... year and a half? two year? break from mafia, because it just wasn't healthy for me. but I've got a lot of free time, am in a better place life-wise, and i think I got some perspective from the time spent away. so... I'm interested in playing something bastardy. I don't want fair or balanced. unbalanced against me so it's totally not my fault that I lose, or unbalanced in my favor so I can win even if I don't deserve it, would both be a great way to come back to the game :P...Well, if I could steal a place at the front of the line, I would gladly run a BYOR.
Any BYOR's starting up soon?
That, and I have some ideas for what I'd submit to a BYOR.
Post by: webadict on April 16, 2017, 02:06:04 pm
Well, it doesn't get any more "balanced on the edge of a knife" than my BYOR's! Guaranteed to sometimes be rigged against you.Well, I took something along the lines of a what... year and a half? two year? break from mafia, because it just wasn't healthy for me. but I've got a lot of free time, am in a better place life-wise, and i think I got some perspective from the time spent away. so... I'm interested in playing something bastardy. I don't want fair or balanced. unbalanced against me so it's totally not my fault that I lose, or unbalanced in my favor so I can win even if I don't deserve it, would both be a great way to come back to the game :P...Well, if I could steal a place at the front of the line, I would gladly run a BYOR.
Any BYOR's starting up soon?
That, and I have some ideas for what I'd submit to a BYOR.
Post by: Jack A T on April 16, 2017, 02:09:24 pm
Well, it doesn't get any more "balanced on the edge of a knife" than my BYOR's! Guaranteed to sometimes be rigged against you.There's always LNCP's Witches' Coven games: guaranteed to always be rigged against everyone.
Post by: Hapah on April 16, 2017, 04:43:53 pm
LNCP games in general, really. The few I played were very enjoyable, though.Well, it doesn't get any more "balanced on the edge of a knife" than my BYOR's! Guaranteed to sometimes be rigged against you.There's always LNCP's Witches' Coven games: guaranteed to always be rigged against everyone.
Post by: Shakerag on April 17, 2017, 11:48:57 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 17, 2017, 11:53:06 pm
Huh. Vector's been busy purging her/his/its post history lately.He/They, Shakerag :v And yes, some of us noticed that but chose not to mention anything. Because it may be personal.
:V
YAY Lenglon!! :DWell, it doesn't get any more "balanced on the edge of a knife" than my BYOR's! Guaranteed to sometimes be rigged against you.Well, I took something along the lines of a what... year and a half? two year? break from mafia, because it just wasn't healthy for me. but I've got a lot of free time, am in a better place life-wise, and i think I got some perspective from the time spent away. so... I'm interested in playing something bastardy. I don't want fair or balanced. unbalanced against me so it's totally not my fault that I lose, or unbalanced in my favor so I can win even if I don't deserve it, would both be a great way to come back to the game :P...Well, if I could steal a place at the front of the line, I would gladly run a BYOR.
Any BYOR's starting up soon?
That, and I have some ideas for what I'd submit to a BYOR.
What's the general rule when a GM is too busy or such .-. or away for a time? Asking because of personal experiences (as in myself, as a GM, who may have missed to update things, etc)
Post by: Shakerag on April 18, 2017, 12:01:04 am
Personal? On an internet forum? Surely you jest.Huh. Vector's been busy purging her/his/its post history lately.He/They, Shakerag :v And yes, some of us noticed that but chose not to mention anything. Because it may be personal.
:V
What's the general rule when a GM is too busy or such .-. or away for a time? Asking because of personal experiences (as in myself, as a GM, who may have missed to update things, etc)Well, looking at past experiences with webadict... generally the game just dies. Or rarely someone steps in to try and take over.
Post by: webadict on April 18, 2017, 01:07:38 pm
Well, looking at past experiences with webadict... generally the game just dies. Or rarely someone steps in to try and take over.Haha, yeah. Good times...
Alternatively, don't be like me.
Post by: Shakerag on April 18, 2017, 02:45:12 pm
Still pissed about BYOR 14. Even if I did give you an aneurysm.Well, looking at past experiences with webadict... generally the game just dies. Or rarely someone steps in to try and take over.Haha, yeah. Good times...
Alternatively, don't be like me.
Post by: TolyK on April 19, 2017, 04:21:05 am
Or, it... goes places...What's the general rule when a GM is too busy or such .-. or away for a time? Asking because of personal experiences (as in myself, as a GM, who may have missed to update things, etc)Well, looking at past experiences with webadict... generally the game just dies. Or rarely someone steps in to try and take over.
Post by: Lenglon on April 19, 2017, 05:08:55 am
...Still pissed about BYOR 14. Even if I did give you an aneurysm.Well, looking at past experiences with webadict... generally the game just dies. Or rarely someone steps in to try and take over.Haha, yeah. Good times...
Alternatively, don't be like me.
This post just made me re-read that entire BYOR, including dead and scumchats. twice.
I forgot how proud of myself I was for that game, I actually made a solid interaction-based case! and I handled pressure the best I ever had, and had drawn no signifigant suspician yet!. I know, it's not much, when put in perspective, but it mattered to me. and it was a cool learning experience getting to both practice being scum and to practice my scumhunting skills at the same time.
Post by: Hapah on April 20, 2017, 10:05:27 am
Post by: webadict on April 20, 2017, 11:48:56 am
Have all games lately taken this long to fill? Didn't realize things had slowed down THAT much!It's odd. Eerie. Like, I want to run a game because I can keep it going. I want to keep people playing and content flowing. But there's this long list of upcoming games... and slow motioning for people to run them. It doesn't feel like it's players. It feels like it's mods. If that's the case, I don't mind infusing games that we need. Do YOU want a particular type of mafia? As a player, you have the ability to choose. You can say what you want. That list is there for fairness, and if it no longer serves its point, then we can remake it.
I am willing to make games that are engaging and fit what players want (Crazy, Normal, etc.) I just have to know that's what's wanted.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 20, 2017, 02:28:03 pm
The queue is mostly there so that people who want to mod get a chance. We had a period where the same people basically modded everything because they'd put up a new game once their old one finished and there were complaints from people who wanted to run stuff be felt they couldn't.
If it's stagnating things we should shake stuff up.
Post by: webadict on April 20, 2017, 06:11:49 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 20, 2017, 07:50:40 pm
Post by: TolyK on April 22, 2017, 03:04:21 pm
Post by: webadict on April 22, 2017, 03:27:55 pm
Honestly, the only mafia game I'd play at this moment would be Wuba's game - it's the only one I can bring myself to dedicate time to and still be active. :PSweet. I'm internet famous!
Post by: webadict on April 25, 2017, 07:01:40 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 25, 2017, 07:08:12 pm
Post by: webadict on April 25, 2017, 07:11:10 pm
What sorts of things?Uhhh... Anything? I'm not entirely sure. It's just been quiet for a while.
Post by: TolyK on April 25, 2017, 08:41:45 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 25, 2017, 10:16:04 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 25, 2017, 11:28:01 pm
says the guy who has been gone for two years
Some people mentioned that they were leaving, usually for either being busy, or needing a break from the environment, but I think most just silently slink away.
Post by: Shakerag on April 25, 2017, 11:44:54 pm
Also, I have killed about a dozen sprouts this spring so far. Growing plants is hard. Well, at least growing some pansy ass plants is hard. Broccoli is coming up like a champ, but the goddamn eggplants are about as limp wristed as those antifa fucks. Tomato plants too, which is funny, because once they start growing they goddamn explode.
I shouldn't be too hard on the plants. At least a plant never asked for someone to give it a trigger warning. I can respect plants for that.
Is it any wonder I'm on blood pressure pills? Oh shit. I still need to take that tonight. Well, the bottle didn't say anything about not taking it with alcohol, so....
Fox news does nothing but fucking talk about Trump. It's crazy. I only know this because some ashole keeps putting it on at work.
Indian black salt is the shit. It makes everything taste like eggs.
I haven't cleaned the toilet in over a year. But then again, neither has my SO.
Our DVR is always 100% full. And she's bitching about missing Nexflix after having a free week. We record too many goddamn shows as it is. Why're you bitching about watching Nexlifx?
Ok. that's enough banter.
Post by: Shakerag on April 25, 2017, 11:46:15 pm
Someone banter about things.ayyyy bby u wan some banter?
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 25, 2017, 11:59:30 pm
Where have all the other old regulars gone? I imagine most just kinda fade out like I did, but was there anything more dramatic?
I'm still around but I don't have anything to say most of the time and I don't have time to play any games.
Post by: Tiruin on April 26, 2017, 12:05:15 am
Yay! Then I'd just love to drop a note to you and Toaster--big thanks, as well as to those I've played with over the years; your teachings in my earliest BMs (Think0028's) helped me a ton, here and in insight in life. :3Where have all the other old regulars gone? I imagine most just kinda fade out like I did, but was there anything more dramatic?
I'm still around but I don't have anything to say most of the time and I don't have time to play any games.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 26, 2017, 12:06:36 am
Adulthood sucks. And I'm allergic to responsibilities. I just put off paying a dental bill for a month because I couldn't be arsed to go to my bank's website and do the bill pay thingie.This. I just recently had to get a new car after the first one melted, and MY GOD now I have to call so many goddamn people about the payments, and the warranty, and the insurance, and the safety features, and fucking everything it drives me insane. And now my bank account is unhappy and that makes me unhappy. And my wife says "just try to get more overtime" and i know that, but that requires work and I'm lazy.
Plus I fucking hate the people at work on the shift before me so I avoid coming in early like the plague.
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Also, I have killed about a dozen sprouts this spring so far. Growing plants is hard. Well, at least growing some pansy ass plants is hard. Broccoli is coming up like a champ, but the goddamn eggplants are about as limp wristed as those antifa fucks. Tomato plants too, which is funny, because once they start growing they goddamn explode.I just recently went to an Earth Day festival, and now I have like 5 different tree saplings that need planting, but I don't even know where I'm going to put them. Also other plants, including tomatos.
I shouldn't be too hard on the plants. At least a plant never asked for someone to give it a trigger warning. I can respect plants for that.
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Is it any wonder I'm on blood pressure pills? Oh shit. I still need to take that tonight. Well, the bottle didn't say anything about not taking it with alcohol, so....I'm no expert on either medicine nor booze, but you should probably ask a doctor about that before combining those.
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Fox news does nothing but fucking talk about Trump. It's crazy. I only know this because some ashole keeps putting it on at work.The TV at work used to be stuck on shitty news channels for the longest time, but finally people complained until the higher-ups held a meeting on it (higher priority than fixing our broken machines, apparently) and they decided to lock it on Food Network, which I approve of.
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Indian black salt is the shit. It makes everything taste like eggs.I have never tried that, but wouldn't the taste of eggs get tiring after a while?
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I haven't cleaned the toilet in over a year. But then again, neither has my SO.I neglected to clean the toilet for years, and one day, all the caked-on gunk literally caved in under its own weight, and a massive chunk broke off, leaving the actual wall of the toilet basin pristinely clean, and then I just whacked the rest of it off until the toilet looked like new.
Some problems do fix themselves.
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Our DVR is always 100% full. And she's bitching about missing Nexflix after having a free week. We record too many goddamn shows as it is. Why're you bitching about watching Nexlifx?I don't have a DVR, but I wish I did. I've been getting into Netflix recently, though. (Had to switch over to Hulu, though, because Netflix only had 3 seasons of Bleach on it, instead of the 20+ Hulu has.)
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Ok. that's enough banter.Vote Shakerag
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 26, 2017, 01:01:13 am
Yay! Then I'd just love to drop a note to you and Toaster--big thanks, as well as to those I've played with over the years; your teachings in my earliest BMs (Think0028's) helped me a ton, here and in insight in life. :3
np bro
Think0028
Damn. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3LE15AyT5g)
Post by: Shakerag on April 26, 2017, 02:03:37 am
Jim! I love you man. No homo. Unless you're up for it.Yay! Then I'd just love to drop a note to you and Toaster--big thanks, as well as to those I've played with over the years; your teachings in my earliest BMs (Think0028's) helped me a ton, here and in insight in life. :3
np broThink0028
Damn. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3LE15AyT5g)
Post by: Hapah on April 26, 2017, 11:01:17 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 26, 2017, 11:44:07 am
Dar and Book the same way, I guess? What about NQT? Those are the big ones that stick out in my head.
Dariush hasn't been around in a while, same with Book. NQT just... wasn't quite there one day. Basically, he disappeared.
Post by: Persus13 on April 26, 2017, 11:54:18 am
Post by: Shakerag on April 26, 2017, 12:26:59 pm
NQT was running a game when he disappeared too.See webadict? This is the model you're setting for the other mods on this forum.
I'll see your forumites and raise you an LNCP.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 26, 2017, 01:43:00 pm
Post by: webadict on April 26, 2017, 02:09:13 pm
I am only cool because of how bad an influence I am on people.NQT was running a game when he disappeared too.See webadict? This is the model you're setting for the other mods on this forum.
I'll see your forumites and raise you an LNCP.
I remember them old people. Y'all are so new compared to me. Org was one of the oldest. In fact, I'm so old, I played in games with Meph. I was even there for the very first Mafia game. Or at least, the one that started everything. I was the First Mate on a pirate ship. And I made them all walk th' plank.
Plus, no one ever really saw the full extent of the Solifuge vs. Kashykk Child battle in DF Mafia 3. That was an epic gamble... That Meph stopped accidentally.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 26, 2017, 03:26:34 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 26, 2017, 03:45:23 pm
He hasn't been gone as long as some others, but Org.
I thought Org had been gone longer? I joined back in 2012/2013 and iirc I never played with Org but I definitely played with Book and maybe even Dariush.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 26, 2017, 03:48:20 pm
I guess I forgot how long I've been here... it's been a while. I joined January 2014 and I think Org left a year before that.He hasn't been gone as long as some others, but Org.
I thought Org had been gone longer? I joined back in 2012/2013 and iirc I never played with Org but I definitely played with Book and maybe even Dariush.
Post by: Jack A T on April 26, 2017, 03:56:21 pm
I came in at the start of 2011. Pandarsenic was still buried in midterms, NativeForeigner was still buried in work, JanusTwoFace was playing his last (I think) few games, Archangel was about to quit again, we still had Jokerman...
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 26, 2017, 04:03:23 pm
I first posted in a Mafia thread on November 26, 2013, so I missed Org by several months. But hey, at least we still have Shakerag.I guess I forgot how long I've been here... it's been a while. I joined January 2014 and I think Org left a year before that.He hasn't been gone as long as some others, but Org.
I thought Org had been gone longer? I joined back in 2012/2013 and iirc I never played with Org but I definitely played with Book and maybe even Dariush.
In other news, I've been here on these forums for almost five years (I joined June 28th 2012) :o
EPWOP: I think I remember Pandarsenic and I definitely played a game or two with NativeForeigner. I also played a few games with Imp, RangerCado, and makeinu before they left. Oh, and Caz and Toaster and Persus13 (although I've seen Persus around in some more recent games).
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 26, 2017, 04:08:20 pm
EPWOP: I think I remember Pandarsenic and I definitely played a game or two with NativeForeigner. I also played a few games with Imp, RangerCado, and makeinu before they left. Oh, and Caz and Toaster and Persus13 (although I've seen Persus around in some more recent games).I played with all of those back in the day, too, since I didn't join that much after you. I think I played a game with NativeForeigner but I don't recall ever interacting with pandarsenic. Also, don't forget nerjin, who seems to have disappeared off of the face of the earth recently.
If we want to discuss more recent disappearances, we can always talk about flabort and origamiscienceguy, who both had their debut games as games I ran (Greatest Battle of Orbfalls and Operation Overlord, respectively). I also remember Jiokuy who most people here may have forgotten about (again, mostly because his first game was GBOO).
Post by: TolyK on April 26, 2017, 04:09:25 pm
Reading the last page or so really hits in terms of how long this forum's been around.
I almost don't want to go reread my first game on here, because I was reallllly young back then... >.>
PPE: and then 4mask ends up ninjaing me. Not that that's unusual...
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 26, 2017, 04:11:08 pm
:(<3
Reading the last page or so really hits in terms of how long this forum's been around.
I almost don't want to go reread my first game on here, because I was reallllly young back then... >.>
PPE: and then 4mask ends up ninjaing me. Not that that's unusual...
I remember my first game fondly because of how fucking stupid I was. I replaced into BM 44 and got myself lynched the same day as the cop because I had no idea what I was doing.
Post by: TolyK on April 26, 2017, 04:20:35 pm
Post by: Shakerag on April 26, 2017, 04:32:08 pm
I first posted in a Mafia thread on November 26, 2013, so I missed Org by several months. But hey, at least we still have Shakerag.Aren't you so lucky?
I came in at the start of 2011.Huh. I came in near the end of 2011. Hooray for us?
I almost don't want to go reread my first game on here, because I was reallllly young back then... >.>Get off my lawn.
Post by: Jack A T on April 26, 2017, 04:38:13 pm
Post by: hector13 on April 26, 2017, 04:49:42 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 26, 2017, 04:55:30 pm
Post by: Persus13 on April 26, 2017, 07:17:16 pm
Post by: webadict on April 26, 2017, 07:23:55 pm
I just checked.
I have 12.15% of all posts in this subforum.
I have 10039 of the 82633 posts.
I am the king of the mafia.
Its weird how some people are including me as part of the old crowd. I don't think I ever played with Org, and I started playing Mafia in the summer of 2013, so I only came in a few months before TDS. I feel like I was among the first of a new wave of people that showed up between 2013-2014 and stuck around. The Mafia and Other Games sections of the forum are the only areas I still frequent regularly. I haven't opened the other subforums in months.There's like 4 generations here.
There's the elder gods, which include the likes of me, Meph, and Pandarsenic. We've been here since before this place was even a subforum.
There's the old guard, which includes Vector, dakarian, and Tiruin. They were here before it was cool.
There's the new bloods, which would include you. You guys joined recently enough that you feel new to me, but you're way old to everyone else.
Then there's today's newbies. These guys are super new, but it's always cool to see who stays. But, these guys include people that only joined within the past 2 years.
Post by: Tiruin on April 26, 2017, 07:31:07 pm
[...]There's the old guard, which includes Vector, dakarian, and Tiruin. They were here before it was cool.[...]I-I'm part of the old guard?
I am so honored u_u Especially since I joined back like...BM 28 or so.
Oh wow I've been here for half a loveable decade! :D
Post by: webadict on April 26, 2017, 07:41:10 pm
I consider you to be the cutoff.[...]There's the old guard, which includes Vector, dakarian, and Tiruin. They were here before it was cool.[...]I-I'm part of the old guard?
I am so honored u_u Especially since I joined back like...BM 28 or so.
Oh wow I've been here for half a loveable decade! :D
Post by: webadict on April 26, 2017, 10:10:05 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 26, 2017, 10:31:35 pm
How does it feel to know that 1 in 8 posts you read here belong to the greatest person ever?That you've too much free time on your hands?
Post by: mastahcheese on April 26, 2017, 10:52:51 pm
I fondly recall my first game, where I totally kicked ass and then never lived up to it again. :P
Post by: TolyK on April 27, 2017, 04:14:04 am
I'm pretty sure that makes me old guard, then...I consider you to be the cutoff.[...]There's the old guard, which includes Vector, dakarian, and Tiruin. They were here before it was cool.[...]I-I'm part of the old guard?
I am so honored u_u Especially since I joined back like...BM 28 or so.
Oh wow I've been here for half a loveable decade! :D
Oh my god.
I just checked.
I have 12.15% of all posts in this subforum.
I have 10039 of the 82633 posts.
I am the king of the mafia.
You should have that as your avatar text, ">12% of the Mafia forum posts".
Post by: webadict on April 27, 2017, 06:30:41 am
... oooooor, that you're all here to read my creative geniuses.How does it feel to know that 1 in 8 posts you read here belong to the greatest person ever?That you've too much free time on your hands?
I think I was part of the new blood 2013-14 wave, but my long absence kinda skews it for me.Yep. You're too old to be 4th Gen.
I fondly recall my first game, where I totally kicked ass and then never lived up to it again. :P
TolyK has been here for awhile too. I guess you would be old guard, wouldn't you?
Post by: doll on April 27, 2017, 06:33:22 am
Your first game was replacing in BM29 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=97045.msg2830366#msg2830366).
I think I've been lurking on and off since early 2009? Based (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=40018.0) on (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=43695.msg826277#msg826277) the (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=41493.0)games (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39061.0) I remember see run I guess late 2009.
I also saw the dummy account I made a while after that but it only ever appeared in a BM and it wasn't very interesting.
I suppose it means I have played here before, though.
Post by: webadict on April 27, 2017, 08:56:12 am
Post by: Gentlefish on April 27, 2017, 11:57:13 am
EPWOP: I think I remember Pandarsenic and I definitely played a game or two with NativeForeigner. I also played a few games with Imp, RangerCado, and makeinu before they left. Oh, and Caz and Toaster and Persus13 (although I've seen Persus around in some more recent games).I played with all of those back in the day, too, since I didn't join that much after you. I think I played a game with NativeForeigner but I don't recall ever interacting with pandarsenic. Also, don't forget nerjin, who seems to have disappeared off of the face of the earth recently.
If we want to discuss more recent disappearances, we can always talk about flabort and origamiscienceguy, who both had their debut games as games I ran (Greatest Battle of Orbfalls and Operation Overlord, respectively). I also remember Jiokuy who most people here may have forgotten about (again, mostly because his first game was GBOO).
Totally behind here, but I remember my first game subbing in for RPGeek, with you and Imp in it. That was really fun.
Post by: Solifuge on April 27, 2017, 03:58:49 pm
Plus, no one ever really saw the full extent of the Solifuge vs. Kashykk Child battle in DF Mafia 3. That was an epic gamble... That Meph stopped accidentally.
That was such a roller coaster, and it broke my damn heart when it didn't pan out. But that's what I get for being a big liar!
Honestly, I think I was always into Mafia to play around. I especially loved attempting dumb, unwieldy, time consuming, and Generally-Too-Stupid-For-Someone-To-Honestly-Try-I-Mean-Really-Now-Soli-What-The-Hell kinda gambits, but which would be a lot of fun to pull off successfully. And most of the time, my goofy-ass playstyle just crashed and burned, and I looked like a big dummy? But it worked out a few times. And I still had fun either way? So there's always that.
Even if my actual play in that one totally sucked, I think one of my favorites to play was Toon Mafia VII; the excuse to do those
Oh god damn it, good job Solifuge tricking us into believing you weren't an insane serial killer.
This is the story of my life~!
Post by: TolyK on April 27, 2017, 05:17:35 pm
...
:D
Post by: Tiruin on April 27, 2017, 06:22:55 pm
Hey Web, I know I haven't been around much, but w-wasn't I one of the oldbies too? :<I still favorably recall this one :3 It was an epic thing I kept recalling for the years after.Plus, no one ever really saw the full extent of the Solifuge vs. Kashykk Child battle in DF Mafia 3. That was an epic gamble... That Meph stopped accidentally.
That was such a roller coaster, and it broke my damn heart when it didn't pan out. But that's what I get for being a big liar!
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Honestly, I think I was always into Mafia to play around. I especially loved attempting dumb, unwieldy, time consuming, and Generally-Too-Stupid-For-Someone-To-Honestly-Try-I-Mean-Really-Now-Soli-What-The-Hell kinda gambits, but which would be a lot of fun to pull off successfully. And most of the time, my goofy-ass playstyle just crashed and burned, and I looked like a big dummy? But it worked out a few times. And I still had fun either way? So there's always that.You were on par with Vector in my eyes .-.; Very skilled ++ being the player I'd love to play with (even if I get my butt kicked x~x because thems good playing)
I miss playing with y'all :I
Post by: webadict on April 27, 2017, 07:17:40 pm
Hey Web, I know I haven't been around much, but w-wasn't I one of the oldbies too? :<Yep! You've been around since forever. Your gambit was one of the greatest things I ever saw, even if it didn't pay off. I don't think I've ever seen anyone else do something as ridiculous.
Honestly, I think I was always into Mafia to play around. I especially loved attempting dumb, unwieldy, time consuming, and Generally-Too-Stupid-For-Someone-To-Honestly-Try-I-Mean-Really-Now-Soli-What-The-Hell kinda gambits, but which would be a lot of fun to pull off successfully. And most of the time, my goofy-ass playstyle just crashed and burned, and I looked like a big dummy? But it worked out a few times. And I still had fun either way? So there's always that.Haha, yep. That's the best playstyle. It's half of what I do. It typically pays off, too, since no one expects the ridiculousness. I think there have been only a few other gambits that were as big. It's why I make BYORs so ridiculous. I want the game to be played in a controlled, chaotic manner. It should be an excuse to play like a crazy person.
Even if my actual play in that one totally sucked, I think one of my favorites to play was Toon Mafia VII; the excuse to do thoseWell, I'll see what I can do about Sprn [Of] Hate to make it just as crazy. I like having fun in games, and I think I've gotten it down enough to not break the game too horribly.cringyvisual novel / dating sim style screenshot posts, and accusing people with bad screenshots of a cat in a maid outfit, was a lot of fun. I loved goofing with folks in GG's Quick Bastard, Redux too; it was a small weird one, but I enjoyed puzzling it out with y'all, including the interactive flavor text, accidental angry zombie werewolf Vector resurrection, and all the quick-topic shenanigans. Oh, and pulling off a kill-free Serial Killer win in Supernatural 4 was pretty fun too! ><;Oh god damn it, good job Solifuge tricking us into believing you weren't an insane serial killer.
This is the story of my life~!
Post by: mastahcheese on April 27, 2017, 11:35:51 pm
This suddenly made me think of mafia in terms of pokemon.I think I was part of the new blood 2013-14 wave, but my long absence kinda skews it for me.Yep. You're too old to be 4th Gen.
I fondly recall my first game, where I totally kicked ass and then never lived up to it again. :P
*fails to recall what 3rd gen in pokemon was*
Also I'm really looking forward to the semester of love sequel.
I really enjoyed that one, even if I was completely useless in it.
Post by: webadict on April 28, 2017, 07:11:04 am
Post by: Shakerag on April 28, 2017, 08:47:29 am
Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, you dork.This suddenly made me think of mafia in terms of pokemon.I think I was part of the new blood 2013-14 wave, but my long absence kinda skews it for me.Yep. You're too old to be 4th Gen.
I fondly recall my first game, where I totally kicked ass and then never lived up to it again. :P
*fails to recall what 3rd gen in pokemon was*
Also I'm really looking forward to the semester of love sequel.
I really enjoyed that one, even if I was completely useless in it.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 28, 2017, 10:51:04 pm
Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, you dork.*facepalms*
That's right. I'm an idiot. Thank you.
Post by: TheDarkStar on May 10, 2017, 07:44:39 am
Post by: Shakerag on May 10, 2017, 08:43:46 am
Can anyone replace into a Beginner's Mafia for me? I'm now down four players.I see the current BM is progressing as usual.
Post by: Lenglon on May 10, 2017, 08:55:01 am
As for actually replacing in...
I don't want to, but I could...
I mean...
sure.
gimmie a sec to read up because I do 95% of my bay12ing via phone nowadays.
Post by: Hapah on May 10, 2017, 09:09:53 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on May 10, 2017, 10:29:39 am
Post by: Gentlefish on May 10, 2017, 05:52:26 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on May 11, 2017, 02:56:02 am
Post by: Lenglon on May 11, 2017, 03:03:45 am
I would like to replace in (and I've been following the game, too) but I can't do that from a DS. Even a short post takes me forever, and attempting to juggle quotes would be a nightmare.better someone constantly PFP than nobody at all.
Post by: mastahcheese on May 11, 2017, 03:15:15 am
*Struggles violently to come up with a counter argument*I would like to replace in (and I've been following the game, too) but I can't do that from a DS. Even a short post takes me forever, and attempting to juggle quotes would be a nightmare.better someone constantly PFP than nobody at all.
...I'll think about it.
Post by: Tiruin on May 11, 2017, 04:35:40 am
better someone constantly PFP than nobody at all.TBF does mobile and doesn't quote or give substantial details in his posts--he aims for conciseness, and I really wish him well in improving there.
Y'all can too :3
Post by: Hapah on May 15, 2017, 08:19:35 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on May 16, 2017, 02:35:03 am
Sorry for requesting replacement, but I got laid off from my job, which tends to change your priorities. I'll try to play as best I can but gotta put RL endeavors first.Real Life > Bay12
Good luck to you, man. Hope things turn out well.
Post by: Lenglon on May 16, 2017, 02:41:19 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 22, 2017, 04:13:37 pm
I get that real life happens. Especially bloody finals. But if we had more people to begin with, finals and whatnot wouldn't be so much of an issue.
Ideas?
Post by: TolyK on May 22, 2017, 04:41:38 pm
It's due to two main factors, imo:
1) Small (diminishing?) pool of people to pull replacements from, and
2) Negative externalities (the more people are inactive, the more people have incentive to be inactive... like the reverse effect of social networks).
There's not much that can really be done about the first one, other than advertising (which I don't think is really correct or moral to do? idk). There's also not much that can be done about the second one, because it's a coordination failure with large external forces (finals, holidays, etc.) other than somehow getting people really motivated to play. Currently, we have a lot of games in the queue, which aren't progressing/filling up at a good rate, mostly because it's "more fun to make a game than to play it", generally speaking (it's more engaging, etc etc). And while I am sure most, if not all, are fine games, a lot of people just don't have the energy/time to commit to most of them. A few really stand out as "everyone wants to play" (BYOR-style and other hectic games, games from GM's who are regarded as great... those generally intersect, too).
Main point: It might be best for the subforum if people didn't run games which there is little demand for. It might be a bit (very?) annoying for people who are on the current queue, but it seems that there is little sense in running games which people can't find time to play, or which take forever to start due to just not enough people. This could also be due to setups which are really big in general, and not us having enough people, now that I think about it, but...
I believe this is the uncomfortable truth. No idea of how, or even if, this should be enforced or self-enforced. I might have an incorrect view on the subforum's activity, as I haven't played any games recently (the usual excuses of finals and such, except that you don't have to find a replacement for me :P), so correct me if this is not so.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 22, 2017, 04:49:14 pm
What if... we, as a group, voted on what mafia game we wanted run, and the games with the highest number of votes would be run?
Some sort of nonstandard voting system should be used to keep the subforum from being dominated by a select group of mods, but other than that...
Post by: TheDarkStar on May 22, 2017, 04:51:07 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on May 22, 2017, 07:35:21 pm
Post by: Lenglon on May 22, 2017, 07:56:59 pm
One or two new people in a non-bm isn't a problem, and BMs right now just drive people away because they suck to play in.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 22, 2017, 08:06:38 pm
Post by: hector13 on May 22, 2017, 10:01:38 pm
Better to wait 'til we have enough newer players expressing an interest before having a BM.
Post by: webadict on May 22, 2017, 10:09:51 pm
If I opened up sign-ups for BYOR 0, I will probably have filled out sign-ups in less than a week. The only reason I don't open it is because I also feel like I'd be treading on other mod's toes who have also been waiting for months to run a game, only to be totally snuffed because I'm webadict. Honestly, the only thing I care about is running some games right now. I would like to play again, but I am not a good player anymore. Plus, I love to be super snarky and want more of that in games.
Like, if you want to run a game with me, let me know. I'm willing to generate content for a game, but I do have a certain modding style that may not mix well with some others. Plus, it's harder to understand some of the caveats of other player's games, so games without well-defined rules make it harder to co-mod.
Regardless, my main point is that TolyK is 100% right. If you want activity, I will give you activity. But, it comes at a cost of process and order. We will lose what we have now. And maybe that's not a bad thing, since we're really suffering because of it. And if we die, then we died to bureaucracy.
Anarchy or death?
I think Lenglon has the right idea, having one or two new players in a game isn't really all that great since they inevitably get killed early on as a result of not being able to provide content to the standard of more experienced players, which is frustrating for everyone.That's what we did now. It results in a newbie waiting months on end for a game to start and losing interest. Sure, this is certainly a bad time, but maybe we need some relaxing on the BMs. Or maybe... Maybe we need some revamping? Like... Why do we bother trying to balance a BM? Why can't we run a BYORBM? Sure, it makes learning harder, but maybe we focus on the wrong part about the game to teach. We focus on mechanics and tells and daygame, but maybe we should really focus on the parts that give us players: The fun. Maybe some beginner players would enjoy a game where everyone has a role, but there aren't any. A Paranormal BM! Full of only newbies! That's a fun game! A Vote Mafia BM! A KYOSN BM. Why do we cordon off a section of our playerbase like that?
Better to wait 'til we have enough newer players expressing an interest before having a BM.
Why the heck don't we step up our game, you know? I would gladly run a BYORBM. Sometimes, you love playing that wacky stuff, but why bothering creating a barrier arbitrarily?
Post by: hector13 on May 22, 2017, 10:24:00 pm
Newer players need to learn how the day game works somehow, and there are times when I think we are really hard on newer players in non-BM games, which must turn people off joining those kinds of games. A problem when those are the only games that are running since, like you say, BMs can take months to fill up.
Post by: webadict on May 22, 2017, 10:33:40 pm
A fair point, certainly, but there's more than one way to enjoy a mafia game. I personally quite like puzzling things out without a PR, so role madness games are less appealing to me. I suspect I might be in the minority for that though heh.True. There's a couple different ways to enjoy. And that's totally fair. But, we don't have to arbitrarily limit ourselves to a specific BM style.
Newer players need to learn how the day game works somehow, and there are times when I think we are really hard on newer players in non-BM games, which must turn people off joining those kinds of games. A problem when those are the only games that are running since, like you say, BMs can take months to fill up.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 22, 2017, 10:55:41 pm
Post by: TolyK on May 23, 2017, 12:37:50 pm
Regarging new players, I actually agree a fuckton that what drives people to Mafia is !!fun!!, and vanilla(-ish) games generate not that much of it (other than the MAFIA BASE, which is obviously important, but can be nuanced and hard for people to learn).
Let's imagine that these simplified skills are the ones used for playing mafia games:
- Basic mechanic knowledge (ALL): If you don't know these rules, you can't play. This includes day/night cycles, voting, lynching, and alignments.
- Basic role knowledge (ALL): If you don't know these rules, you can't effectively play, since you don't know all action possibilities. This includes vanilla town/mafia, kills, cops, protects.
- Intermediate role knowledge (non-Vanilla): This is required to play non-vanilla games. In most games,
- Psychological "knowledge" (ALL): This is recommended knowledge for all mafia games, to varying degrees. These are scumtells (or "untruthfulness" signals), whether explicit or as "spider sense", and other tropes of the genre. Note that it's entirely possible to play the game with a lack of this, and rely on logic/gut feeling/luck, and still do OK.
- Closed setup knowledge (CLOSED + BYOR): Included in this: how to scumhunt in high-uncertaintly games, how to choose what night actions to use based on day info.
- Advanced mechanics (CLOSED + BYOR): This is almost required for BYOR-style games. A lot of roles explicitly say what they do, but in this context the term "mechanics" means understanding what possible roles there can be, also depending on your own role.
- BYOR knowledge (BYOR): This is useful for BYOR-style games, where generally roles correspond to whatever names/things are sent in. In addition to closed setup knowledge, it ESPECIALLY includes how to bullshit your role and how to spot that from others.
- Advanced knowledge: Knowledge of prior games that have been played, players' playstyles, and anything else not covered before.
In short, you really need basic mechanics and roles down, and everything else you can figure out by reading the OP or asking mods/other players.
Now, let's look from the point of view of where FUN/enjoyment comes from a mafia game:
- Base fun: You're playing a game, talking with people, it's a social activity which is generally a plus. :P
- Challenge: Making choices under uncertainty is hard, and testing one's skill in a low-stress environment is generally enjoyable.
- Accomplishment: Winning a game, and to a smaller degree guessing one's alignment correctly, gives a sense of validation, which is enjoyable.
- Spectacle: Whenever something crazy or unusual happens, and it's not too confusing, the "Huh?"/"Cool!" is fun.
- Plot/Flavor: Usually this far from the biggest focus in the game, but a reasonable quantity of good flavor can make a good game great. Reading and acting in a piece is fun.
- <I'm probably missing something obvious>
A lot of these don't actually depend on the player's skill, just their understanding of what's going on. On the other hand, almost all of these depend on the speed of the game's progression (up to a certain point): you get more FUN/week if the game goes through a cycle a week, for example, than a cycle per month.
So, to sum up my and others' thoughts on the matter (I'll be including some points already mentioned earlier in the thread):
- BM's, and vanilla games in general, are boring for most people, so there is little will to play them.
- People enjoy different things to different degrees in mafia games, so there needs to be some diversity.
- Newcomers really need to learn the basic mechanics and roles, but then they can figure out things on their own, as long as those things are documented or commented on. Without the basics, no fun, but after that the requirements are "can get up to speed on the current game's quirks" and are much more soft.
- BM's don't have to be vanilla, just more "explained" and explicit than other games. Or are BM's unneeded tradition?
- Many people want to mod games (it's the most engaging part :P), but the games can't all possibly be filled up. Being courteous and following the queue seems to be making a market-failure situation.
- On the other hand, having only a few people mod games all the time is "unfair", so having a rotation of some sort seems to make sense still.
Suggestions (some conflicting) about what we could do:
> Remove BM's and let new players join games as-is [as suggested by Lenglon]
> Change BM format:
- looser, less certainty, more roles; maybe BYOR (Pros: more fun, more activity, more incentive for older players to join; Cons: harder to wrap head around, requires more setup as a mod) [as suggested by FoU, Wuba]
- make BM's smaller (!): since they just need to learn mechanics, you could have a 1-mafia game to serve as an introduction to Basic Mechanics and some of our etiquette (voting, FOS, some scumtells, etc). These can be really short, and require fewer players, and are less of a commitment for older players/ICs.
- <Any other ideas?>
> Change how the game queue works:
- Keep as time-based queue, but ask/incentivize people who don't fill their games fast enough to go to the back of the queue. [Problem: Games in sign-ups that don't fill create a "graveyard" and also delay other game starts.]
- Run as priority queue, where the most-demanded games (by vote? by general noise levels? idk) are run first. [Problem: Popular mods get to run their games first. Problem: crazier games (which are generally more popular) will be run much more often, leaving the "minority" that likes vanilla ones behind.]
- <Any other ideas?>
> Change how games are run in real-world-time:
- Replace, then Modkill to a set deadline of posting activity. If you can't play the game, and nobody can join soon, then it's a blank spot nobody can fill. * [Problem: Generally, town players are the ones who lose activity, so modkilling usually favors scum while gaining little info for town]
- Limit extensions, so games can't go on forever. A close idea is making longer, non-extendable phases, such as 1 cycle per week. Example: days = [Tuesday:Saturday], nights = [Sunday:Monday]. [Problem: Some people can only do weekends for big readthroughs/posts, some can only do weekdays for big readthroughs/posts, etc.]
- <Any other ideas?>
* This includes just general unwillingness to play as well as IRL things that come up - if you have finals/an injury or illness/real life things that overshadow internet forum games, then you should focus on those things and not worry about the game [Reasoning: if you don't have the time keep up with the game, then you probably are doing poorly in the real life things, and so you should really REALLY spend more time on it/stop procrastinating/whatever.] From the perspective of all other players, not knowing whether to keep your spot in mind or not is annoying.
Post by: TheDarkStar on May 23, 2017, 01:42:53 pm
Skills needed
Lots of players come in with some mechanical knowledge. We get people with either RL mafia experience or experience with something like Town of Salem.
Basic role knowledge is usually explained a bit in the role PM, but maybe descriptions of stuff could be added to the beginning of BMs/as a sticky at the top of the forum.
fun/FUN/!!!FUN!!!
In regards to base fun, sometimes I feel that we're missing this. If lots of people are inactive, it's not as fun to interact with people. Different people enjoy different things, but I enjoy playing with active, analytical people. It also helps when people disagree with me/someone is wrong on the internet because that encourages me to be active to prove them wrong.
How well do we make sure that games aren't high-stress? Some pressure is good (limited day length makes sure the game keeps going, for example) but sometimes players will do things like attack someone's character that, which doesn't add to the game but it does make someone much more annoyed/unhappy/inclined to stop playing.
Thoughts on BMs
Yeah, BMs are boring. Here's why I think they're boring: People's options are limited and a lot of older players have played a lot of BMs/BM-like games, so those older players have probably seen everything in a BM already. They become less active, and as a result new players become less active because not as much is going on.
IIRC, my first game was a Paranormal. I didn't ever play a BM as a complete newbie (although I played one pretty early on) and I figured out how things work without too much trouble.
Suggestions
I vote for removing BMs, but if that doesn't work than I vote for making more interesting BMs.
I'm still thinking about how games could be better queued
I've already expressed my thoughts on day lengths/modkilling inactive players.
Post by: hector13 on May 23, 2017, 02:04:04 pm
If we do get rid of BMs, perhaps we can list simpler, non-bastard games in the queue as noob friendly?
Post by: Mephansteras on May 23, 2017, 02:21:58 pm
I could see a BM Paranormal set up going well. Just don't include any 3rd party roles and leave the rest as is (Well, probably no dopp roles with extra kills other than maybe war vet). Gives people a good bit of role power to play with, still requires learning the day game, and excludes the more swingy aspects of the setup.
Post by: Lenglon on May 23, 2017, 03:51:25 pm
My 2nd game was a bastard mod (toony's)
I had no issues.
Post by: TolyK on May 23, 2017, 04:06:35 pm
... regarding who can run which games now, and who wants to play which games now. Please show up there! :D
Post by: doll on May 28, 2017, 02:25:24 am
Unfortunately, that means my time can't be used quite how I wanted it to be.
Fortunately, that means I have time for a game or two of mafia.
Post by: notquitethere on May 31, 2017, 07:11:43 am
How's it all going? Anything new? I got really busy! I help run a bookshop now and I've got a game being published with Choice of Games (https://www.choiceofgames.com/) in July.
I'm still really fond of mafia and can remember great moments in many of the games. In practice I think the way most of them are structured is too much commitment for too little pay-off.
Post by: TolyK on May 31, 2017, 07:18:08 am
Oh, and welcome back. :D
And nice to see that you've made some real-world stuff, congrats!
Post by: Persus13 on May 31, 2017, 07:31:33 am
I'm still really fond of mafia and can remember great moments in many of the games. In practice I think the way most of them are structured is too much commitment for too little pay-off.Plus its sometimes a gamble for the payoff.
Post by: webadict on May 31, 2017, 07:49:34 am
Hi gang, sorry I disappeared off the face of the planet. I got a bit burned out on mafia and I'd managed to create a mammoth task of busy-work with the last game I was running-- then I felt bad for leaving before properly tying it off.You arrived a little late to join, but you can always replace in BYOR 0.
How's it all going? Anything new? I got really busy! I help run a bookshop now and I've got a game being published with Choice of Games (https://www.choiceofgames.com/) in July.
I'm still really fond of mafia and can remember great moments in many of the games. In practice I think the way most of them are structured is too much commitment for too little pay-off.
Post by: doll on May 31, 2017, 08:23:13 am
you can always replace in BYOR 0.Join us, we're fun!
Post by: Shakerag on May 31, 2017, 08:47:14 am
Hi gang, sorry I disappeared off the face of the planet. I got a bit burned out on mafia and I'd managed to create a mammoth task of busy-work with the last game I was running-- then I felt bad for leaving before properly tying it off.Aww, disappeared off the face of the earth just like a mini-webadict.
How's it all going? Anything new? I got really busy! I help run a bookshop now and I've got a game being published with Choice of Games (https://www.choiceofgames.com/) in July.
I'm still really fond of mafia and can remember great moments in many of the games. In practice I think the way most of them are structured is too much commitment for too little pay-off.
I sucked ass in the Mafia Championship.
Post by: notquitethere on May 31, 2017, 12:50:37 pm
You arrived a little late to join, but you can always replace in BYOR 0.
Join us, we're fun!I'll maybe play again in a few months, but still too much on my plate with my game-writing.
Aww, disappeared off the face of the earth just like a mini-webadict.The Championship is hard. The board culture difference makes it feel like you're swimming uphill to even be understood.
I sucked ass in the Mafia Championship.
Post by: webadict on May 31, 2017, 01:40:10 pm
You can always help out with writing for Sprng [Of] Hate.You arrived a little late to join, but you can always replace in BYOR 0.Join us, we're fun!I'll maybe play again in a few months, but still too much on my plate with my game-writing.Aww, disappeared off the face of the earth just like a mini-webadict.The Championship is hard. The board culture difference makes it feel like you're swimming uphill to even be understood.
I sucked ass in the Mafia Championship.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2017, 01:55:35 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 31, 2017, 02:42:09 pm
/me runs up and tackle-hugs
Post by: notquitethere on May 31, 2017, 05:13:47 pm
Webdict, PM me the details: I'll write you some flavour text.
Post by: webadict on May 31, 2017, 05:14:42 pm
Good to see you too 4mask! I like that avatar :)Suh-weet. I'll PM you eventually.
Webdict, PM me the details: I'll write you some flavour text.
Post by: Tiruin on June 01, 2017, 06:51:47 am
NQT!Basically me when I saw the hooded blue eye-shadow.
/me runs up and tackle-hugs
N-QT! :D Really missed you there!
Hope you're doing well; it looks like people are coming back! {Saw Flabort lately, am happy to see him too}
Post by: Persus13 on June 01, 2017, 07:47:52 am
I would like some sort of resolution on this, if just a quick summary of what was happening.How's about that one game on hiatus with just 3 survivors left and I'm one of them?
Post by: notquitethere on June 01, 2017, 10:10:39 am
I'll take a look and tie off the end of Puzzle Temple when I'm ready :)
Post by: Shakerag on June 01, 2017, 10:21:57 am
Hey I missed you especially Tiruin.She's easier to hit if you distract her first.
Post by: doll on June 03, 2017, 04:30:52 am
I'm gonna have to ask for a replacement.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 13, 2017, 04:15:21 pm
Hi gang, sorry I disappeared off the face of the planet. I got a bit burned out on mafia and I'd managed to create a mammoth task of busy-work with the last game I was running-- then I felt bad for leaving before properly tying it off.I feel like if I ever made a game it would be in a CYOA style. I wasn't even aware these Choice of Games...games even existed.
How's it all going? Anything new? I got really busy! I help run a bookshop now and I've got a game being published with Choice of Games (https://www.choiceofgames.com/) in July.
I'm still really fond of mafia and can remember great moments in many of the games. In practice I think the way most of them are structured is too much commitment for too little pay-off.
I'm always interested in interactive fiction works so let's see what the future holds.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 13, 2017, 04:20:52 pm
Post by: TolyK on July 15, 2017, 04:23:44 pm
I've started a Python project on GitHub for a mafia engine (https://github.com/NowanIlfideme/MafiaEngine). I tried doing this before in C#, but it was too slow and rigid (and I had a poor idea of how to implement it, anyways). Given I've put more thought into it now, and have much more experience in Python, I conjured up a skeleton of a project here (https://github.com/NowanIlfideme/MafiaEngine). The idea is to make a working, flexible representation of Mafia-style games (normal mafia/werewolf, as well as BYOR's and other setups with crazy roles) and automatically evaluate actions.
This is mostly to aid mods (GM's) to:
- do most of the work during set-up (in order to do less while the game is running);
- create consistent games (in terms of rules);
- lower # of errors when computing actions;
- (eventually) easily set up games, count votes, and compute actions.
Useful side-effects of this:
- games can be standardized, and thus saved in some well-structured representation (instead of a load of PM's and "this guy actioned this", which is hard for even humans to parse...);
- (standardized) saved games can be later analyzed to varying degrees of complexity - this could allow, for example, to not do the dreaded parsing of games by hand if I or other people want to do machine learning related to mafia;
- one could build a phone app (or one-per-platform) so that people can play IRL without playing or specialized cards (and "noises" and such...) and with potentially more interesting roles. Think about playing a BYOR IRL and all the bs that can go down. ;D
I'm writing here instead of making a post, because:
- I've already made a post for a mafia project before (the machine learning one) which didn't really get off the ground;
- I want to have tangible results before posting. Currently, all I have is a paper design document, a detailed representation in my head, and a skeleton Python program. I haven't been able to think of a role that's been done before that can't be done with my framework, but a lot of low-level details are missing.
If you're interested in helping (coding, or helping refine ideas), or even just supporting ("hey man that's cool" is enough to encourage me :P), that would be swell.
<3 you all.
Post by: flabort on July 25, 2017, 10:00:56 pm
It's REALLY cool.
You realize that when this is done, it and it's API would be the most powerful GMs tools for mafia ever?
It could be used to even make better NPCs - albeit it's gonna require the API to be finished first :P
Post by: Tiruin on July 26, 2017, 03:37:08 am
Well, I could just say "hey man that's cool", but I feel that would be a cop-out.I have near 0 knowledge of programing, and TolyK doing something like this (or anyone actually) is just the ♥!
It's REALLY cool.
That's not just cool, that's inspiring in its own way. :3
Post by: TolyK on July 26, 2017, 01:08:59 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 26, 2017, 01:35:58 pm
~~~
We have literally no mafia games currently running. Hurry up and join Time Paradox Mafia, KOTM 6, or vote for another game(preferably FBYOR 3) in the threshold thread!
Post by: TolyK on August 06, 2017, 12:33:08 pm
I got a Mountainous (T vanilla town + M vanilla mafia players) game to work in it.
That includes:
- Working out actions as they come up, automatically, e.g.:
- Vote is a day action, and every vote is captured by a VoteTally, and when the phase changes it lynches the player with the most votes (or none, if there is a tie).
- MKill (Mafia kill) is a night action, and it fails if an MKill has already been used that night.
- Alignments are tracked; if all members of an alignment die, then the game ends.
- Automatically saving and loading the game, without writing (much) additional code!
- This is very important, e.g. to be able to resume a game from scratch, or for writing configs to load from later.
- The config is in YAML format, so it's very human-readable (and technically human-writable)
- A command-line interface where one inputs actions (incl. phase changes and such) and recieves "what happened" (along with logging info, currently...)
Now, I'm a bit stumped as to what to do next (there are a lot of options), which is mainly why I'm writing this post.
Here are some possible directions to go:
- Add more abilities and stock roles and setups (e.g. doctor, alignment/role cop, godfather, roleblocker + their combinations) - useful in a library, and needs to be done eventually, but a lot of "hooks" need to be made, and these might require rewriting when other features are done.
- Make a more friendly UI (probably still command-line though) so that mods can run it at home more easily.
- Spend time cleaning up and formalizing code - helpful, but only if other people end up working on this project too. :P
- Make a mafia bot for IRC - good testing platform, but few users. Requires addition of stock roles to be interesting, though.
- Make a mafia bot for Bay12Forums - hardest of this list to do, but probably the most applicable. For this I need to figure out how to do PM's, start threads, etc.
To anyone who plans to mod a game in the (relatively near) future:
Would you like to test the engine out? Your game needs to have a fixed setup, though. I could make the roles beforehand, and you'd test it out, likely making the whole modding process (during the game) very easy.
To anyone just watching development:
I'd love any input, such as suggestions for what to focus on next, or things you'd like the engine to be able to do, or just to say what awesome stuff I'm doing. :P
P.S. I updated the documentation a little while ago, it's lower on the page here (https://github.com/NowanIlfideme/MafiaEngine), and there's a screenshot of it in action here:
Spoiler: Example game (slightly older version) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on August 06, 2017, 12:49:31 pm
Post by: notquitethere on August 07, 2017, 04:51:58 pm
If you were ever wondering what my favourite word is, here's an interview (https://www.choiceofgames.com/2017/08/author-interview-joey-jones-trials-of-the-thief-taker/) about my upcoming game release that settles the question.
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 07, 2017, 11:05:30 pm
Post by: TolyK on August 08, 2017, 12:24:39 pm
Also, Animal Farm, an RNG dystopia generator, and other stuff? You must really have a lot of extra time. :P
In terms of what's happening in Bay12 mafia, there are 2 games running (KOTM and Time Paradox Mafia) and a sort of lull in player activity otherwise, I've been making a mafia engine in Python (see above), and ... well, that's about it, really.
Post by: hector13 on August 08, 2017, 01:08:51 pm
Post by: flabort on August 08, 2017, 10:38:15 pm
Ooh, that's your voice? It's not how I imagined it, but now I'm going to unintentially read your posts in that voice.It's pretty well how I imagined it.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on August 09, 2017, 08:48:06 am
Aye, we're slowly dying here. I don't think that's aided by our attitude to new players, even during the BMs.Yeah, which is why it's been suggested we replace BMs with more complicated but still newbie-friendly setups. You remember C++9 or whatever that was called? Like that.
Post by: notquitethere on August 10, 2017, 04:35:09 pm
Ooh, that's your voice? It's not how I imagined it, but now I'm going to unintentially read your posts in that voice.Haha, no I didn't voice the trailer.
The game is now out, I've got a thread up about it. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165179.0)
Post by: Teneb on August 11, 2017, 05:00:27 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 26, 2017, 12:40:41 pm
Post by: Persus13 on September 26, 2017, 02:32:09 pm
Post by: hector13 on September 26, 2017, 04:45:39 pm
You brought the players to the last three that made it hardest for town to win, so yeah. Hindsight and all that though :p
Post by: Persus13 on September 26, 2017, 06:26:04 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 18, 2017, 03:45:47 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 19, 2017, 08:22:35 pm
Also, jeez that was a short Supernatural game.
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2017, 02:32:56 am
I don't think there's any "probably" about it.I think you're probably right.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 20, 2017, 10:53:07 am
Also, jeez that was a short Supernatural game.
Yeah. In good part because town did a terrible day game. Even in a power-role heavy game, town has got to make the most out of every day phase. It's still their most powerful tool.
Post by: Persus13 on October 20, 2017, 12:44:12 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on October 20, 2017, 01:25:11 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 20, 2017, 01:26:09 pm
I kept looking in on Supernatural and shaking my head. One of the more important things to do when playing in Supernatural is reading previous games to get the idea of the mechanics (and they're all good reads too) and paying attention to flavor. And the only player who was consistently doing that was Tiruin.That reminds me how I didn't do that in my first Supernatural...
That was a thing.
Post by: Jack A T on October 23, 2017, 11:08:58 pm
Might be worthwhile for players to put together simple, reusable and updateable flavour guides for future games.
Post by: Tiruin on October 23, 2017, 11:26:15 pm
Activity. Yep! Shows the classic activity trumps any and all power roles ever.Also, jeez that was a short Supernatural game.
Yeah. In good part because town did a terrible day game. Even in a power-role heavy game, town has got to make the most out of every day phase. It's still their most powerful tool.
Yeah. And she got a little too excited by her role. She had the most powerful town role in a lot of ways, but it relied on baiting scum into trying to kill her and all she managed to do was convince them that she should not be targeted at all.If it helps, scum was Reverie and TDS, both very astute players. :P
SO HMPHFF. I should've baited without too much enthusiasm. :-\ or not at all.
Also yeah, the kill flavor is especially important. I was wondering if it was a cult or something new, because there was no mention of 'body gone' like all the cults beforehand in the N1 kill. :P Us dying on D3 was a nice clincher given how everything moved on--both third parties killed themselves, implicated townies didn't have time or otherwise to post before day end, and activity.
It was really enjoyable though, Meph ._. but really, really short.
Post by: notquitethere on October 24, 2017, 08:42:29 am
Quote
King Zombie
Once per night you can poison your target's target. Action: Poison.
Misguided Abbot
Once per night you can unblock everyone who is not targeting a dead player. Action: Save.
Post by: Silthuri on November 07, 2017, 12:51:48 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 07, 2017, 12:55:24 pm
Post by: Silthuri on November 07, 2017, 01:05:24 pm
I'm glad to see this place is still kicking. Just glancing around I can see how quiet it's been.
Post by: notquitethere on November 07, 2017, 01:27:21 pm
Post by: Silthuri on November 07, 2017, 01:54:51 pm
Post by: Tawa on December 10, 2017, 02:09:28 pm
Post by: hector13 on December 10, 2017, 02:31:35 pm
No wonder you think you’re bad at mafia, missing the obvious like that :P
We don’t really have the numbers for more than one game at a time anymore :(
Post by: Dorsidwarf on December 13, 2017, 06:12:13 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 13, 2017, 11:38:19 am
I've been having trouble signing up for mafias lately because i'm afraid of getting the mafia role, and having one or more partners relying on me in a role I dislike and am bad at
That just means you need more practice.
Post by: hector13 on December 13, 2017, 11:42:46 am
Post by: Leafsnail on December 14, 2017, 07:32:56 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kSsKSADyc4
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on December 19, 2017, 12:59:47 pm
The bot that runs it is really well-done. Games with 8+ players are ususally quite intresting.
Post by: Shakerag on January 08, 2018, 10:18:47 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 08, 2018, 11:36:59 am
Hey all, I'm currently running a fort on a discord server I have and wondering if anyone here would want to check it out, claim a dwarf, etc.Oh nice. I've been meaning to play the latest version. Go ahead and drop me the server link.
Post by: Shakerag on January 08, 2018, 02:39:23 pm
Most of the rest of the discord server is based around a phone game, so you'll likely not need to worry about that.
It's an interesting world we ended up in. Elves are already extinct, and the two armies I've had show up so far have both been full of other dwarves.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 12, 2018, 10:44:40 am
From where I'm standing, it looks like great !!fun!!.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 31, 2018, 09:12:00 pm
From where I'm standing, it looks like !!fun!! of the great kind!
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 20, 2018, 08:49:08 pm
Post by: webadict on April 10, 2018, 02:06:30 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on April 10, 2018, 03:31:00 pm
Post by: hector13 on April 10, 2018, 03:34:36 pm
Or all the old blood leaving :p abandoning us to our fate of no b12 mafia.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 10, 2018, 03:54:26 pm
Post by: hector13 on April 10, 2018, 05:01:14 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on April 10, 2018, 05:20:10 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 10, 2018, 05:36:08 pm
Maybe the old blood should be trying to get new blood with more beginner-friendly games?Just plain more games would be a good enough start, in fact.
Or, uh, any games.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 10, 2018, 06:22:24 pm
Post by: webadict on April 10, 2018, 06:31:58 pm
I could run that MafiaKart game if you all want. I have ideas for it.
Post by: hector13 on April 10, 2018, 07:10:04 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on April 10, 2018, 07:27:43 pm
Post by: webadict on April 10, 2018, 09:18:30 pm
Post by: notquitethere on July 30, 2018, 04:40:13 am
Post by: Mephansteras on July 30, 2018, 09:12:16 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on July 30, 2018, 09:13:07 am
Post by: Persus13 on July 30, 2018, 09:35:09 am
On a related note, have any of y'all played Battlestar Galactica the board game? Its one of my favorite board games, and it has a Mafia element to it in that its a coop game, but some of the players are secretly cylons who are trying to kill everyone else.
Post by: 4maskwolf on July 30, 2018, 09:40:27 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 30, 2018, 10:31:21 am
Also that comic is hilarious.
Post by: hector13 on July 30, 2018, 01:57:25 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on July 30, 2018, 05:55:54 pm
Wait since when are you guys all back?I got pinged a few weeks ago for a thing in the upper boards and came back to look at that, poking my nose in here and seeing what I'd missed was just sort of a thing that happened.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 30, 2018, 05:59:01 pm
Mostly Vanilla Mafia(by mwa) which was annoyingly short and was terrifying,
and now Max Spin's Dark Secret bastard mafia is starting up.
I'm wondering if we should put up a second game or not.
Post by: Shakerag on July 31, 2018, 09:01:51 am
Wait since when are you guys all back?Who says we ever left? I check this board daily.
Also that comic is hilarious.
Post by: Persus13 on July 31, 2018, 09:04:42 am
However, I've been King of the Mafia for almost a year now, so I should probably run the next one in the fall sometime.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on August 01, 2018, 04:37:09 pm
Post by: Silthuri on August 01, 2018, 05:06:31 pm
Post by: webadict on August 18, 2018, 07:39:43 pm
I lurk so much that I'm not even here most of the time! Granted I don't think I was ever really a "regular" to begin with so not sure I count :PI show up every once in a while to see how things are going.
Post by: webadict on August 22, 2018, 06:16:31 am
Looks like pretty well.I lurk so much that I'm not even here most of the time! Granted I don't think I was ever really a "regular" to begin with so not sure I count :PI show up every once in a while to see how things are going.
Post by: Shakerag on August 22, 2018, 08:29:17 am
Looks like pretty well.A stopped wheel never squeaks.
Post by: webadict on August 22, 2018, 11:41:45 am
You can't fail if you never try!Looks like pretty well.A stopped wheel never squeaks.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on August 22, 2018, 05:05:18 pm
Post by: webadict on August 22, 2018, 08:41:26 pm
... seeing as Dark Secret is going nowhere, would any of you oldies be interested in a BYOR?Maybs. I am also still working on Sprng [Of] Hate. It's like... partially done.
Post by: randomgenericusername on August 22, 2018, 08:55:45 pm
Post by: Persus13 on August 23, 2018, 09:06:53 am
Post by: Caz on August 23, 2018, 12:46:42 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on August 23, 2018, 02:57:55 pm
I'm interested in a BYOR, even if I'm not really an "oldie".
More Mafia = very yesSure. Okay. Why not?
For those who are worried, no it won't be bastard, yes it will be weird.
Post by: Tomasque on September 05, 2018, 12:01:02 am
The setup is really simple: 3 players, one of them is evil. 4 potential good roles, 2 potential evil roles. However, every player has to wait their turn to say something, use their ability, and/or make their vote. I'll explain it in more detail, later.
My hope is that I can first iron out any big flaws with this game via playtesting. Once that's done, I'll program it as a 1 player game, with the other two players being controlled by artificial intelligences who's behavior I've based off of how real people acted when having those roles. It's pretty ambitious, but because of how limited the input is (you have to wait your turn & you have to choose from a list of things to say) I believe it's a possible goal.
I plan on running this on a discord server, since that sounds like the simplest way to do it. I don't want this to be something you have to go out of your way to do, and I don't want it to clutter up the mafia board with this. That sounds fine, right?
Anyway, if anyone's interested, then tell me and I'll make a doc that explains this more. It's 10 PM here, so I don't have the time to do it tonight.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 05, 2018, 01:18:05 am
I've got interest!
Post by: IcyTea31 on September 05, 2018, 03:49:32 am
Post by: Tomasque on September 05, 2018, 05:24:11 pm
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qfn1G1a6gof7kPpXHyfCprHqxKKHKP1LujvQFx1uv-Y/edit?usp=sharing
Post by: Gentlefish on September 05, 2018, 05:50:13 pm
I'm excited to see how it turns (heh) out!
Post by: IcyTea31 on September 05, 2018, 11:42:20 pm
- Alice votes for Charlie.
- Bob votes for Charlie. If Charlie is Evil, the game ends and Good wins. If not, Charlie is confirmed Good.
- Charlie doesn't vote.
- Alice votes for Bob.
- Bob cancels his vote.
- Charlie votes for Bob. If Bob is Evil, the game ends and Good wins. If not, Bob is confirmed Good and Alice Evil.
- Alice's vote is irrelevant if the game gets to this point.
- Bob doesn't vote.
- Charlie votes for Alice.
- Alice's vote is irrelevant if the game gets to this point.
- Bob votes for Alice. Alice is Evil, so the game ends and Good wins.
Edit: Conversely, if votes cannot be changed or cancelled, the game is decided the moment one of the Good players votes, which probably isn't ideal.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 06, 2018, 09:36:14 am
Can the players change and cancel their votes? If so, there's a gamebreaker:It looks like votes cannot be changed or cancelled, but are secret. Therefore, the ending is not yet determined if the first good player to vote correctly votes for the evil player: either the other player will make the same vote and they win, or he will make the wrong vote and they lose.The method is to only have two people voting for the third at the same time, using the game's end condition to confirm Goodness.
- Alice votes for Charlie.
- Bob votes for Charlie. If Charlie is Evil, the game ends and Good wins. If not, Charlie is confirmed Good.
- Charlie doesn't vote.
- Alice votes for Bob.
- Bob cancels his vote.
- Charlie votes for Bob. If Bob is Evil, the game ends and Good wins. If not, Bob is confirmed Good and Alice Evil.
- Alice's vote is irrelevant if the game gets to this point.
- Bob doesn't vote.
- Charlie votes for Alice.
- Alice's vote is irrelevant if the game gets to this point.
- Bob votes for Alice. Alice is Evil, so the game ends and Good wins.
Edit: Conversely, if votes cannot be changed or cancelled, the game is decided the moment one of the Good players votes, which probably isn't ideal.
Still, it doesn't seem at all like a pointful game.
Post by: Tomasque on September 06, 2018, 10:34:38 am
Edit: Conversely, if votes cannot be changed or cancelled, the game is decided the moment one of the Good players votes, which probably isn't ideal.Good point. Let me change how wincons work to make the game more interesting:
The game still ends once both Good players have voted. If a Good player has voted for the Evil player, they win the game. If the Evil player hasn't been voted for by both of the Good players, they win the game. If both of the Good players vote the Evil player, the Good players get a perfect win. If neither of the Good players vote the Evil player, the Evil player gets a perfect win.
Does that sound like a good solution? Despite having more
of a self-centered wincon, Good players are still incentivized to share information because it will still lead to them finding out who the Evil player is. Additionally, once one of the Good players has locked in their vote, there's no reason why they shouldn't try to help out their teammate.
Anyway, I made the discord. Just sign up there, and I'll send you your role(s).
https://discord.gg/eVgFZkd
Feel free to sign up for multiple games if you want to. I'm fine with running up to around 3ish games at once, since they're pretty low maintenance.
Post by: Shakerag on September 25, 2018, 08:55:14 am
Post by: Persus13 on September 25, 2018, 09:32:43 am
Or join and get modkilled immediately so you have access to Dead chat.
Post by: webadict on September 25, 2018, 09:57:52 am
Man I wish there was a good way to comment on ongoing games.You could write diary entries and label them with dates and post numbers.
Post by: Caz on September 25, 2018, 11:57:06 am
Maybe there should be a spectator's quicktopic.
Or join and get modkilled immediately so you have access to Dead chat.
Yeah it would only work this way imo, having other people's comments available to players of an ongoing game seems too much interference to me.
Post by: Mephansteras on September 25, 2018, 12:39:19 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 25, 2018, 01:23:50 pm
Man I wish there was a good way to comment on ongoing games.If you're talking about the only one running right now I wouldn't mind setting up a spectator's quicktopic if I was asked.
Post by: heydude6 on October 11, 2018, 12:37:24 am
Post by: TolyK on October 19, 2018, 08:56:57 am
EDIT: By that I meant, I too occasionally visit.
All my other mafia time has been taken up by IRL mafia and other IRL stuff...
Though I've seriously been spending weekends on a mafia game engine thingie.
It's been going slowly, but I am confident I ended up programming a really good action resolution mechanism.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 31, 2018, 03:45:56 pm
Post by: Persus13 on October 31, 2018, 03:48:55 pm
Post by: heydude6 on October 31, 2018, 06:56:31 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 31, 2018, 10:30:56 pm
I'm done there. Mostly due to a lack of enthusiasm on my part. You can claim roles and actions if you so choose.
Sheldon was a mistake.
Post by: Tomasque on January 18, 2019, 12:43:17 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 19, 2019, 08:18:01 pm
Post by: hector13 on January 19, 2019, 08:25:15 pm
Post by: Tomasque on January 20, 2019, 11:49:17 am
Do you still need someone?Yes. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.
Post by: notquitethere on April 01, 2019, 03:39:54 pm
Post by: Persus13 on April 01, 2019, 04:00:49 pm
Hey gang, how's it all swimming?I'm doing well. This subforum is flatlining, sadly.
Post by: notquitethere on April 01, 2019, 04:20:08 pm
2014: 38
2015: 35
2016: 25
2017: 17
2018: 7
2019: 9
It's been pretty dead.
Post by: webadict on April 01, 2019, 05:05:16 pm
Post by: heydude6 on April 01, 2019, 08:13:22 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on April 02, 2019, 12:28:44 am
We did have someone running a game in the main FGaR. How did that go?
Post by: dolores on April 02, 2019, 12:35:25 am
Bay 12 forums have been dead or dying for a long time and never really found a purpose.
Now, DF has finally started to die under the weight of all of toady one's recent dev hubris, so there's no chance of a revival.
Y'all are just in a bad place. There's not many people here and of those that are very few are going to want to play mafia.
Also have the veteran players are just hanging out, infesting the woodwork.
Hey meph, did you delete my post where I was asking you to ban the old account, or what? I'm 90% sure I made that post and webadict replied and it wasn't just a hallucination.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 02, 2019, 12:42:39 am
Post by: heydude6 on April 02, 2019, 01:03:15 am
Now, DF has finally started to die under the weight of all of toady one's recent dev hubris, so there's no chance of a revival.
What do you mean by recent dev hubris? I have problems with how Toady One has been updating the game as well, but I’d like to hear what bothers you in particular.
Post by: notquitethere on April 02, 2019, 03:09:47 am
Post by: webadict on April 02, 2019, 07:05:40 am
Hiatus maybe?Now, DF has finally started to die under the weight of all of toady one's recent dev hubris, so there's no chance of a revival.
What do you mean by recent dev hubris? I have problems with how Toady One has been updating the game as well, but I’d like to hear what bothers you in particular.
Post by: Superdorf on April 02, 2019, 10:56:56 am
All the same, I'd like to try this while it lives. Do you folk still run those beginner's games?
Post by: notquitethere on April 11, 2019, 07:56:35 am
I'm considering running a Choose Your Own Mafia, or a Proc Gen Mafia game again in May if there's some interest among players.
Post by: notquitethere on April 11, 2019, 08:07:27 am
Quote
Inert Judas
Once per night you can perform the same action as your target on two targets. Action: Mimic.
Radioactive Disabler
If someone targets you, anyone else targeting you will morph into your role.
Elite Lyncher
Once per night you can kill yourself. Action: Kill.
Mild Werewolf
Once per night you can infect your target. Action: Infect.
Corrupt Spy
Once per night you can inform your target of their own name. Action: Inform.
Inert Exorcist
Post by: Persus13 on April 11, 2019, 05:18:39 pm
Post by: Superdorf on April 12, 2019, 09:26:27 am
Not sure there's much push for beginners games at the moment.
I'm considering running a Choose Your Own Mafia, or a Proc Gen Mafia game again in May if there's some interest among players.
Weird sort of first game, but the Proc Gen roles sound fun. I'm game! :D
Post by: KitRougard on April 17, 2019, 07:22:48 am
Post by: Superdorf on April 17, 2019, 11:03:53 am
Post by: dolores on April 17, 2019, 11:05:44 am
Proc-gen is plausible. It's more a a pain to IC for than an open setup if new players want a rundown though.
Post by: randomgenericusername on April 17, 2019, 12:34:47 pm
Post by: hector13 on April 17, 2019, 01:21:47 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on April 17, 2019, 02:38:31 pm
Post by: KitRougard on April 20, 2019, 07:26:39 pm
So how about that Proc Gen game? More importantly, who's hosting?
Post by: hector13 on April 21, 2019, 08:58:41 am
Post by: notquitethere on April 21, 2019, 07:36:40 pm
Post by: Superdorf on April 21, 2019, 09:06:57 pm
Post by: KitRougard on April 21, 2019, 09:09:33 pm
Post by: notquitethere on April 22, 2019, 04:34:27 am
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Post by: randomgenericusername on May 15, 2019, 07:03:59 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 15, 2019, 07:35:38 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on May 15, 2019, 07:51:31 pm
Post by: hector13 on May 15, 2019, 08:59:45 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on May 16, 2019, 11:06:32 am
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Post by: Gentlefish on May 16, 2019, 02:15:56 pm
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Post by: TolyK on June 06, 2019, 09:31:52 am
Oh, God. I decided to read back through Bastard Paranormal 2 since Meph mentioned possibly running a Bastard Paranormal game this summer, and now that I’m an actual adult, seeing the quality of my 14-year-old play is... painful.Oh man, I think I started at 12 or something. I had a read-through of some of my games while I was making a dataset for an ML competition... cringey is the best word to describe it. :D
Post by: dolores on June 06, 2019, 10:03:49 am
now that I’m an actual adult, seeing the quality of my 14-year-old play is... painful.
Oh man, I think I started at 12 or something. I had a read-through of some of my games while I was making a dataset for an ML competition... cringey is the best word to describe it. :DThis place has been around a long time
The obvious solution to escape a cringey past is just to make an alt account every time you go on hiatus
Forgetting your old password and being forced to do so is optional
It's been a long time since I've played Mafiat. player from two games still on the front page
It's more like 'it's been a long time since this site was active'
Post by: notquitethere on June 06, 2019, 10:18:55 am
Post by: dolores on June 06, 2019, 11:42:13 am
Is the site itself taking >20seconds to load pages and sometimes failing for anyone else?
Post by: randomgenericusername on June 06, 2019, 12:39:26 pm
Is the site itself taking >20seconds to load pages and sometimes failing for anyone else?
I'm having the exact same problem as you, only that I have to wait around a minute instead.
Post by: TolyK on June 06, 2019, 12:43:08 pm
Post by: Superdorf on June 06, 2019, 04:10:52 pm
Post by: Shakerag on June 06, 2019, 09:41:24 pm
Who did you used to be Dolores?
Honestly, Dolores reminds me of Vector.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 07, 2019, 12:03:41 am
Post by: dolores on June 07, 2019, 06:47:43 am
Honestly, Dolores reminds me of Vector.To be fair, I was accused of that before
Post by: dolores on June 07, 2019, 12:11:11 pm
Last 4 hours about 1/20 reloads haven't timed out
Y'all never organised a bunker, right?
Post by: Superdorf on June 07, 2019, 12:54:15 pm
Post by: KitRougard on June 07, 2019, 01:12:23 pm
Also, now I'm scared.
Post by: 4maskwolf on June 07, 2019, 01:23:53 pm
Post by: dolores on June 07, 2019, 02:00:48 pm
I'll write that program tomorrow, probably, since I don't have work, and let the machine mull over the variety of scenarios available.
Post by: Persus13 on June 09, 2019, 04:42:20 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 10, 2019, 03:36:31 am
Post by: notquitethere on June 20, 2019, 06:08:47 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on August 05, 2019, 09:06:29 am
4maskwolf, you dastardly lurker!
Yoink.
Post by: 4maskwolf on August 22, 2019, 05:30:47 pm
Spoiler: image (click to show/hide)
Post by: Persus13 on August 22, 2019, 05:55:18 pm
Also Mafia players: This guy is being really active. Let's kill him in the night!
Post by: notquitethere on August 23, 2019, 06:33:18 am
Oh, I was chosen as a wildcard, btw! I'll be going back into the championships on Monday (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums//threads/?p=3465150#post3465150)!
Post by: Shakerag on August 23, 2019, 08:38:26 am
Post by: dolores on August 24, 2019, 08:38:57 am
Intuitively, it seems right.
Post by: Superdorf on August 24, 2019, 08:56:22 am
Oh, I was chosen as a wildcard, btw! I'll be going back into the championships on Monday (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums//threads/?p=3465150#post3465150)!Oh hey, congratulations NQT! All luck to you. :D
Post by: notquitethere on August 24, 2019, 09:25:22 am
Also, we all know that you can't trust lurker town to lynch right at lylo.
Post by: notquitethere on August 28, 2019, 08:29:16 am
Post by: Shakerag on August 28, 2019, 08:32:31 am
So I was town in the Champs wildcard game and I was so dangerous they killed me on N1.Your life, and your quest end here.
Post by: Superdorf on August 28, 2019, 09:44:55 am
So I was town in the Champs wildcard game and I was so dangerous they killed me on N1.That's a win in my book!
Post by: notquitethere on August 28, 2019, 10:09:44 am
Post by: Persus13 on August 28, 2019, 11:19:58 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 05, 2019, 09:23:53 am
So with the end of Icy's game and people discussing their first mafia games, I got curious how my first game went down and I just realized I may have one of the most embarrassing first game stories.
I managed to get myself lynched as an un-CC'd cop in a beginner mafia game.
Post by: notquitethere on September 05, 2019, 11:14:59 am
Surprising no one, town lost the champ game, with 3/4 scum still alive, with two vig shots against town players.
Post by: hector13 on September 05, 2019, 11:32:18 am
Haven’t had a good run of things lately, unfortunately, but ah well. Thinking of getting back into a game, just not sure if I’m there yet.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 09, 2019, 06:20:11 pm
My team in an off-site game just quickhammered one of our scumbuddies in order to instantly win the game.
Post by: dolores on October 09, 2019, 06:27:19 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 09, 2019, 06:30:34 pm
To be fair they'd probably lost anyway, what with how badly we'd massacred their PRs (they had no PRs left, we had two vig's, a backup, and a roleblocker out of six scum) but we decided to end it off in style. Mod called the game after the lynch because it was mechanically locked.
Post by: Superdorf on October 10, 2019, 05:39:52 pm
Post by: Tomasque on October 16, 2019, 12:12:01 pm
I was bad. I mean, I'm bad now, but back then I had absolutely no idea what I was doing. The only reason I can guess that I wasn't lynched day 1 was because it was abundantly clear that I couldn't even play. Then, the moment I bandwagoned day 2 it became obvious i was scum and I got killed almost instantly.
Oof.
Post by: Shakerag on October 17, 2019, 08:33:21 am
Post by: dolores on October 17, 2019, 08:54:56 am
My first game as doll (P25 or w/e) was still pretty embarassing, it was pretty clear I didn't understand the difference between 'scum' and 'anti-town' so I had no way forward from arguing with bad!town and largely gave up because of it
tbh there's no level of bad that can't be excused by making an honest effort, so long as there's enough life in the game that your activity causes you to slip and clear yourself and the other players can find scum while moving 'around you', so to speak
But yeah, there's nothing I could reccomend more than 'lurk moar' as advice for new players. b12 is archived and even has a guide to games to read (though it's far from perfect) so anyone who has literal personal time to read can get up to a pretty strong level through reading a lot of games and then suffering through one game as a newfag before they get their feet under them
The real struggle is that you can't get experience as scum easily since you're statistically unlikely to roll it and so even otherwise strong players can suffer.
I, for one, have had one single scum game on b12/a forum and it was a dead game where I had to play a town game to keep it alive and I have no third party experience, not that third parties are really anything other than cops
Post by: notquitethere on December 16, 2019, 10:34:00 am
Post by: notquitethere on December 21, 2019, 02:53:03 pm
Post by: Persus13 on March 26, 2020, 06:24:28 pm
Post by: notquitethere on April 04, 2020, 02:47:02 pm
Post by: Persus13 on April 04, 2020, 03:48:23 pm
Post by: Lenglon on May 10, 2020, 01:19:15 pm
I don't plan on investing remotely as much time as I once did, and think the old extention-spam was a huge part of why games would die of inactivity. D1 in particular, with no N0, was always extended as many times as possible because there was no good lynch and the meta was to always-lynch, so people would extend to try to get useful data. it made one of the strongest scum tactics be to simply be quiet and wait for town to self-destruct as active town ate each other because that was the only place there was content to analyze. which led to bad gameplay experiences for everyone.
i rolled scum a disproportionately large amount of the time, and forcing myself to not post unless I absolutely had to was actually the biggest improvement I was able to get in my own gameplay, and a rule that, as either town OR scum, breaking would get me lynched fairly quickly afterwards.
So I am a bit invested in there being a N0, so that there would be night action content to analyze as opposed to the most active players devouring each other and then the game dying as there's only one active player left in the game anymore.
And having been in a game where last-minute voting shenanigans determined the fate of the game (I got a scum win from it and it was completely unsatisfying, I think we'd have won without the hammer, I was being cleanly bussed and was very confident that the next day's lynch would be a particular townie who had been acting scummy, seeing as my partners were looking REALLY good, and we only needed one more mislynch to win.), I'd really prefer to, ya know, not have that be a thing.
has anyone tried a game with automatic 24hr extentions for if the lynch result of the day changes (starting from when the lynch changes, not when it would normally end), but no normal extentions and fairly short days?
Post by: notquitethere on May 10, 2020, 01:59:57 pm
Post by: hector13 on May 10, 2020, 07:16:39 pm
But we’re dead anyway, with the only activity being when one of the old guard vets runs a game. New ideas might spice things up a bit.
I personally can’t deal with mafia anymore, I find it an exercise mostly in seeing how long I can be entirely frustrated at everything, and that’s usually not long.
Post by: Mendel on May 28, 2020, 09:03:38 am
i came here because Icy tea impressed me with his play in the championship; if he had had more time to devote to the game, it could have gone quite differently! I'm very surprised to see notquitethere came from here as well, we obviously played together last year.
I'd be happy to sub into King of the Mafia 7 if that ever gets un-stalled.
Cheers!
--mendel
Post by: Vector on June 04, 2020, 09:35:50 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on June 05, 2020, 12:17:20 am
Post by: Vector on June 05, 2020, 02:46:28 am
Post by: Shakerag on June 05, 2020, 08:39:10 am
Post by: Vector on June 08, 2020, 10:18:46 pm
Post by: Caz on August 18, 2020, 11:57:17 am
mafia = very yes
Post by: Mephansteras on August 18, 2020, 06:39:39 pm
Post by: Caz on September 07, 2020, 01:40:13 pm
Hey, Caz! Long time no see!
Hey! How are ya? I hear you are doing great things for the future of the game. :)
Post by: Mephansteras on September 07, 2020, 07:38:42 pm
As for me, I'm pretty good. Enjoying life, staying healthy. :)
Post by: Caz on September 08, 2020, 08:56:06 am
I think I need a moment...
Post by: Mephansteras on September 08, 2020, 09:24:45 am
Post by: Caz on September 08, 2020, 01:15:48 pm
Glad to hear you are doing well though. 2020 is quite the trip.
Post by: Mephansteras on September 08, 2020, 03:54:37 pm
I hope you're also weathering 2020 pretty well!
Post by: Shakerag on September 16, 2020, 08:31:27 am
Each is interesting, but I wish I had the time to get back into forum mafia.
Post by: webadict on October 03, 2020, 01:35:55 pm
I'd be interested in playing a game sometime as well. I can't say I know any more about running one than I ever did, but it would be fun to try this.What are you talking about? Your games were great.
Post by: webadict on October 03, 2020, 02:30:40 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on October 03, 2020, 06:18:47 pm
Post by: webadict on October 03, 2020, 10:12:30 pm
Not dead, but this sub forum has been in slumber for a while now.Ah, it's hibernation. Maybe I should finish the tally bot. It'd make making mafia cooler.
Post by: Superdorf on October 03, 2020, 10:49:40 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on October 04, 2020, 10:24:00 am
Post by: webadict on October 04, 2020, 10:27:37 am
Maybe I should run a good old fashioned Paranormal game. That might get some life going again.Remove extensions, buff the town a bit as a consequence, and you're probably golden.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 04, 2020, 10:30:13 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 04, 2020, 10:49:39 am
Post by: Caz on October 05, 2020, 05:26:30 am
Post by: webadict on October 05, 2020, 08:15:55 pm
Yeah, had already been planning on getting rid of extensions. I'll have to ponder how to buff the town, but that shouldn't be hard. A few of the roles are a bit weak right now.As I am want to do, I will type my opinion that no one asked for.
More role variety [Scum-favored]
This would probably help scum over town but I'm suggesting it for multiple reasons, but the obvious one is that stack-powering can lead to unfun games with confirmed players that stymie investigation and play. A lot of the Paranormal games with multiple of the same role have suffered for it, for one reason or another. Adding more roles for the Town (and Doppelgangers) would be better for the metagame, in my opinion.
Spoiler: Suggestions (click to show/hide)
More attribute variety [Town-favored]
This would make roles feel different without the need to worry about power-duping. If there were attributes that modified how the role PLAYED in addition to how you interact with actions, this could feel better for the player, and would be a better way to manage some of the roles that seem a bit too powerful or weak.
Spoiler: Suggestions (click to show/hide)
Convert some Doppelganger roles into Attributes [Scum-favored]
Some of the Doppelganger only roles are a bit... lacking. This isn't always bad, as some roles are balanced around that. But, there could be something to be said about an Advanced Doppelganger that was also a Detective. Since the Advanced Doppelganger loses her abilities on use, she would have a choice: Advanced Kill, or Inspect? A Tough Agent Doppelganger would have an alibi, and could try to throw off things from his trail. Honestly, it'd just make it easier to add in more roles to a game, if you wanted more roles.
Make more (or combine existing) Variants [Neutral-favored]
Honestly, there's a lot of unexplored territory with roles. There exists ONE role that manipulates votes. There is ONE role that can investigate roles. There is ONE role that can investigate race. But, there's a lot of roles that have Tech, for instance, so the Mad Scientist role isn't pigeonholed. They have room for fakeclaiming and gambiting. Heck, even Bodyguards have sweet variants. The reason I suggest this is that I honestly have a problem with the Detective being too powerful for scum and town. It's actually so powerful that it turns into one of the scums best tools for breaking the game. There's no real way to hide from it as Town. It's also hard to hide from it as scum.
Spoiler: Suggestions (click to show/hide)
Remove the Body Double stopping Lynches [Town-favored]
Personally, I hate it. If the Town is lynching a Townie, then it wasted not just one lynch on a Townie, but likely TWO lynches. If the Town is lynching a Doppelganger, then it takes twice as long. It's a stalling mechanic, and extends games out unnecessarily. The only exception might be an Alien, and outting them as an Alien seems mean. There should be an alternative way to avoid a lynch as an Alien.
That's all I've got for now, but I can always add more.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 05, 2020, 09:12:41 pm
Post by: webadict on October 05, 2020, 09:55:55 pm
I'll consider them. I'm also casting a fresh eye over everything myself, since it's been so long since I ran it.Mostly just bring back the ghosts. It's October, man.
Post by: notquitethere on October 06, 2020, 02:26:23 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on October 23, 2020, 04:08:07 pm
I need a good excuse to knock the rust off my writing skills. ;)
Post by: Mephansteras on November 02, 2020, 09:16:26 pm
Post by: Shakerag on November 03, 2020, 09:42:30 am
Post by: Vector on November 09, 2020, 07:44:42 pm
Yes, I know there's a replacement needed. I have another midterm next wednesday :P
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2020, 07:45:33 pm
I'll prolly in on the next game.Ooooooh shiiiit, is that Vector?
Yes, I know there's a replacement needed. I have another midterm next wednesday :P
Post by: Vector on November 09, 2020, 07:48:17 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 09, 2020, 07:48:41 pm
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2020, 07:49:24 pm
i liiiiiiiveGood to see ya. We all missed ya.
Post by: Caz on November 10, 2020, 02:52:09 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 12, 2020, 04:15:57 pm
Post by: RoseHeart on November 13, 2020, 07:26:19 pm
Post by: Shakerag on November 23, 2020, 08:11:59 pm
Definately would remove any and all "goo" roles in the next iteration if I did so. They can kinda kill some of the fun.
EDIT: Also also might drop roles down to 3 to make it more manageable.
Post by: Shakerag on November 23, 2020, 08:12:42 pm
Post by: Shakerag on November 23, 2020, 08:24:05 pm
Been at my company almost 15 years now. They've paid me to take 2 mainframe security classes, so I guess they want to keep me around.
Gonna hit the big four-oh shortly. Mostly playing FFXIV and gatcha games on my phone.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2020, 08:55:11 pm
Kinda wish I could get a steady job like that. I keep getting bounced around due to layoffs or the work I find being contract. I make more every time I bounce, but job hunting is just exhausting.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 09:10:26 pm
I've been at my job for almost six years now. I'm getting more responsibility. I don't feel like my salary is rising at the pace my additional responsibilities are but I also don't know what I would do with more money at this point.
Since I'm accountable for stuff now contemplating work is taking up a greater share of my personal time. Even if I have the free time to spend it positively I more often than not don't feel like it.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2020, 09:11:25 pm
Post by: Shakerag on November 23, 2020, 09:19:28 pm
I don't have any beer but I wish I did. Enjoy the booze for me.
I've been at my job for almost six years now. I'm getting more responsibility. I don't feel like my salary is rising at the pace my additional responsibilities are but I also don't know what I would do with more money at this point.
Since I'm accountable for stuff now contemplating work is taking up a greater share of my personal time. Even if I have the free time to spend it positively I more often than not don't feel like it.
Stop being me so much. Outside of the alcohol part.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2020, 09:38:48 pm
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 10:25:13 pm
Nice!It really is. That's the trade-off, isn't it?
Kinda wish I could get a steady job like that. I keep getting bounced around due to layoffs or the work I find being contract. I make more every time I bounce, but job hunting is just exhausting.
Post by: webadict on November 23, 2020, 10:25:40 pm
I'm a little tempted to run Power Hungry Mafia 3 after the BP3 finishes if there is interest.Oh, I thought I was running BYOR 15.
Definately would remove any and all "goo" roles in the next iteration if I did so. They can kinda kill some of the fun.
EDIT: Also also might drop roles down to 3 to make it more manageable.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 23, 2020, 10:58:43 pm
Nice!It really is. That's the trade-off, isn't it?
Kinda wish I could get a steady job like that. I keep getting bounced around due to layoffs or the work I find being contract. I make more every time I bounce, but job hunting is just exhausting.
Yeah. I'm at the point where I'd prefer stability now, to be honest. More money would be fine, but not at all required.
Post by: Shakerag on November 24, 2020, 09:37:57 am
I'm a little tempted to run Power Hungry Mafia 3 after the BP3 finishes if there is interest.Oh, I thought I was running BYOR 15.
Definately would remove any and all "goo" roles in the next iteration if I did so. They can kinda kill some of the fun.
EDIT: Also also might drop roles down to 3 to make it more manageable.
Oh yeah, forgot about that. That's cool.
Post by: webadict on November 24, 2020, 10:45:54 am
I even added example roles and a priority system for actions to the opening post. Totes ready to release.I'm a little tempted to run Power Hungry Mafia 3 after the BP3 finishes if there is interest.Oh, I thought I was running BYOR 15.
Definately would remove any and all "goo" roles in the next iteration if I did so. They can kinda kill some of the fun.
EDIT: Also also might drop roles down to 3 to make it more manageable.
Oh yeah, forgot about that. That's cool.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 24, 2020, 12:06:20 pm
EDIT:
Also, another game recommendation for mafia fans:
Your Turn To Die (https://vgperson.com/games/yourturntodie.htm)
Not complete but what's there is really good.
Post by: notquitethere on November 24, 2020, 12:14:34 pm
Mafia All Stars
I Can't Believe It's Not Mafia
Mafia Forum 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 24, 2020, 01:26:30 pm
Is this the revival of mafia?
I'm having fun so I might stick around for a while longer than I thought I would.
Post by: webadict on November 24, 2020, 03:04:02 pm
Join the BYOR 15 jamboree! It'll be completely and utterly broken!Is this the revival of mafia?
I'm having fun so I might stick around for a while longer than I thought I would.
Should I make a twist to it?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 24, 2020, 03:43:25 pm
No.
I don't know, man, if it makes more fun sure.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 24, 2020, 08:10:08 pm
Post by: webadict on November 24, 2020, 08:32:49 pm
I could join in. Lord knows I have nothing better to do with the current lockdown rules.Leaf!
Dang, everyone's here, aren't they? All it took was a global pandemic!
Post by: Shakerag on November 24, 2020, 10:13:30 pm
I could join in. Lord knows I have nothing better to do with the current lockdown rules.Leaf!
Dang, everyone's here, aren't they? All it took was a global pandemic!
Now we just need Toaster too. And Pandarsenic if he ever finished his midterms.
Post by: webadict on November 24, 2020, 10:15:09 pm
Nah, that guy's still got, like, 50 midterems.I could join in. Lord knows I have nothing better to do with the current lockdown rules.Leaf!
Dang, everyone's here, aren't they? All it took was a global pandemic!
Now we just need Toaster too. And Pandarsenic if he ever finished his midterms.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 24, 2020, 11:37:06 pm
Post by: webadict on November 24, 2020, 11:54:33 pm
How much you want to bet he went into teaching and is the one now giving midterms?That's the only possible explanation that makes sense.
Post by: Luckyowl on December 04, 2020, 05:46:37 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 08, 2020, 10:16:22 pm
There's not really any English information available except for this Dualshockers article which I'll quote:
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Gnosia is a role-playing adventure game set in a spaceship and is basically a Loup Garou. One or more of the inhabitants of the spaceship is a Gnosia, a life-form who disguise themselves as a human, lie, and kill someone each night. The player character needs to chat with all the other characters, and can end up being able to use around 30 different commands such as “cover this person” or “doubt this person”, and try to figure out who the Gnosia are. Each day, all the characters will vote depending on their own hypothesis on who is the Gnosia, and the most suspected character will be put in a cold sleep.Gnosia came out on Vita in 2019 and got a Switch port earlier this year. It's only in Japanese but I definitely want to try when it eventually gets translated...
If you manage to put all the Gnosia in cold sleep, the human side wins. If there are an equal number (or more) of Gnosia than the humans left among the characters, the Gnosia side wins.
Post by: dolores on December 09, 2020, 04:07:25 am
Post by: ToonyMan on December 16, 2020, 03:45:25 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 17, 2020, 07:01:07 pm
Gnosia came out on Vita in 2019 and got a Switch port earlier this year. It's only in Japanese but I definitely want to try when it eventually gets translated......
*One week later*
https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1338903062690353156
I swear I'm not psychic. I'll post my thoughts about it once I get my hands on it next year.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 17, 2020, 09:18:55 pm
Hahaha, Day 1 of Kingmaker 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=76609) is still hilarious. I love Jim's and Leafsnail's posts in that.
I read that game and a bunch of other ones recently. I had forgotten how mad that game made me. I think it precipitated me getting more involved in the Beginner's Mafias, and browsing through BM XXI, yes it did.
Is this the revival of mafia?
EDIT:
Also, another game recommendation for mafia fans:
Your Turn To Die (https://vgperson.com/games/yourturntodie.htm)
Not complete but what's there is really good.
This was quite enjoyable. Thank you for the recommendation.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 18, 2020, 12:46:37 am
Yeah, I'm looking forward to the rest of Chapter 3.Your Turn To Die (https://vgperson.com/games/yourturntodie.htm)This was quite enjoyable. Thank you for the recommendation.
Not complete but what's there is really good.
Possible Game Idea (I've made some adjustments from the actual main game):
Spoiler: Your Turn To Die Mafia (click to show/hide)
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 18, 2020, 07:13:56 am
Post by: webadict on December 18, 2020, 12:00:11 pm
Interesting. I'd expect everyone to claim keymaster or sacrifice immediately, since the only way to win (without that "final four" rule) is to lynch a non-sacrifice, non-keymaster and hope you become the sacrifice the next day. It's like a reverse King of the Mafia. Jester of the Mafia?But doesn't that mean that claiming neither of those is also a valid method to get lynched as the Sacrifice? There's a bit of play here, but it seems like a Mountainous with a bit of a twist.
The issue I see is that the Sacrifice is favored to win on Day 1 by virtue of have two votes to use on themselves, and everyone else is more or less equally spreading votes.
To avoid that, people need to do 2 weird things.
ALL players need to pretend to be the Sage and "claim" a Keymaster. From those that aren't chosen during that, they need to try and determine a non-Sacrifice. It's like a weird reversal on Mafia.
The other problem is that the game is about playing to not lose, even as the Sacrifice. There needs to be a wincon for players to accomplish at the same time, or the optimal strategy is... lurking!
Post by: Toaster on December 18, 2020, 12:28:52 pm
Life for me is mostly the same, except for the Obvious Reasons going around now. Get your vaccine as soon as it's offered to whatever group of people you're in. (healthcare, old person, general public, what have you.)
Post by: webadict on December 18, 2020, 01:17:06 pm
Life for me is mostly the same, except for the Obvious Reasons going around now. Get your vaccine as soon as it's offered to whatever group of people you're in. (healthcare, old person, general public, what have you.)Agreed. My friend is a nurse, and so is my sister, and they've had to work with generally shitty situations this year. Kinda depressing what they've had to deal with, and luckily neither of them haven't gotten Covid yet. Get your flu shot, too, if you're able to. ...I should probably schedule mine.
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 18, 2020, 02:12:02 pm
But doesn't that mean that claiming neither of those is also a valid method to get lynched as the Sacrifice? There's a bit of play here, but it seems like a Mountainous with a bit of a twist.Perhaps, but if you make yourself look like you don't want to self-preserve, people will peg you as the sacrifice...which would actually be beneficial for a non-sacrifice.
I wouldn't compare it to mountainous, when the primary antagonist is a jester-equivalent.
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The issue I see is that the Sacrifice is favored to win on Day 1 by virtue of have two votes to use on themselves, and everyone else is more or less equally spreading votes.Huh, I misread and inserted a "not" in being allowed to self-vote. Why would the sacrifice vote for anyone but themselves, when they die anyway at the end of the day and have no teammates that would benefit from the deception?
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ALL players need to pretend to be the Sage and "claim" a Keymaster. From those that aren't chosen during that, they need to try and determine a non-Sacrifice. It's like a weird reversal on Mafia.But how does one decide whom to claim as the keymaster? The best strategy for that play would be to claim sage and claim that the sacrifice (whom you've figured out through daygame) is the keymaster. There's no guarantee, however, that none of the players not "chosen" as keymaster is the sacrifice (though in this play the real sage can safely claim).
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The other problem is that the game is about playing to not lose, even as the Sacrifice. There needs to be a wincon for players to accomplish at the same time, or the optimal strategy is... lurking!Lurking gives control of the game to others, who aren't going to play for your benefit. To win the game, you must first self-preserve, second lynch a non-keymaster, non-sacrifice. The second part is hard if you rely only on luck and the first part is hard if you rely on other players who, again, aren't your teammates.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 18, 2020, 02:57:46 pm
Possible Variant Ideas to make it more interesting for real players:
1. Add in a mafia team that aren't assigned roles? Or maybe they can too? Not sure how that would work since every other player is basically a survivor or jester.
2. Add in a night phase that allows players to screw with each other, for example, maybe have a thief or trickster that can steal roles and/or swap them with other players? The players targeted wouldn't know where their role ended up, or who had the role they were given. This would also allow other players to lie about what they did at night.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 29, 2020, 05:07:32 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 29, 2020, 05:33:31 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 29, 2020, 05:38:07 pm
Mafia Marathon
Holy shit you guys played a game of mafia for a year? That's nuts.
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 29, 2020, 05:38:42 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 29, 2020, 07:13:06 pm
Well.
Hector13 and I won, and he was the best player in that game - winning was based on a points mechanic where you gained one or more points each time you won a round, and could 'forfeit' your points for a meta bonus. Hector13 forfeited all the time. I never did. In the end we had the same number of points.
Post by: hector13 on December 29, 2020, 11:36:12 pm
I am torn between horribly missing mafia and absolutely hating how I feel when I play it.
Marathon was fun though, I seem to remember Tomasque wanting to do a sequel..? Perhaps I’m making that up.
Post by: Skynet on December 30, 2020, 06:37:21 pm
These days I can do mafia for maybe 3 days before burning out and cussing everyone out and then flipping the table.
I'm wondering whether "One Night Werewolf" and its expansions would work. One Night (for night actions), then One Day (for the people to vote). Lynch scum, and Town wins. If Town mislynch, scum wins.
Post by: webadict on December 30, 2020, 06:40:06 pm
It's already gained sentience. We are doomed.These days I can do mafia for maybe 3 days before burning out and cussing everyone out and then flipping the table.
I'm wondering whether "One Night Werewolf" and its expansions would work. One Night (for night actions), then One Day (for the people to vote). Lynch scum, and Town wins. If Town mislynch, scum wins.
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 30, 2020, 06:45:23 pm
Relevant (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04xOsNW7zTA)It's already gained sentience. We are doomed.These days I can do mafia for maybe 3 days before burning out and cussing everyone out and then flipping the table.
I'm wondering whether "One Night Werewolf" and its expansions would work. One Night (for night actions), then One Day (for the people to vote). Lynch scum, and Town wins. If Town mislynch, scum wins.
Post by: Vector on December 30, 2020, 09:01:44 pm
Post by: Skynet on December 30, 2020, 11:15:21 pm
My previous account on these boards was Servant Corps, so I'm a veteran on these boards, but for now, all I do is really lurk and observe other people's Mafia games.
EDIT: And when I saw hector13 talking about getting burnt out after 3 days, I immediately thought maybe the solution to his problem (and possibly my own problem of me not playing Mafia games as well) was to simply come up with shorter Mafia games. That way, you play, have fun, and then go about your merry days without banging your head against the keyboard. Would that actually work though, or would a short game take away from the fun in scum-hunting?
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 30, 2020, 11:22:47 pm
My previous account on these boards was Servant Corps, so I'm a veteran on these boards
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And when I saw hector13 talking about getting burnt out after 3 days, I immediately thought maybe the solution to his problem (and possibly my own problem of me not playing Mafia games as well) was to simply come up with shorter Mafia games. That way, you play, have fun, and then go about your merry days without banging your head against the keyboard. Would that actually work though, or would a short game take away from the fun in scum-hunting?I think it's very much "cook to taste". Some people like that kind of bite-sized mafia, others prefer long games, and some are fine with either. At the moment we're basically running whatever we can manage to scrounge together enough players for because frankly this subforum has been dying for years, so it's just a matter of getting enough people to run it.
Post by: dolores on December 30, 2020, 11:33:07 pm
It restricts the scope of the game similarly to how e.g. mountainous or no-scum-kill formats cut out a lot of variables which provide uneven context to a game. There's a point at which a game becomes so streamlined that there's no good reasons to discriminate between one player and another and the lynch ultimately becomes random.
I do think some kind of intermediate variant somewhere between true realtime mafia and longer forum games is probably a stronger format, and there's a lot to be said for lock-yourself-inside-for-a-weekend games which are slogged out over 48-72 hours of continuous activity. A lot of other communities do try formats closer to that but they also tend to be huge messes where people do shoddy realtime techniques but not well because the realtime techs that people much better than me at realtime mafia seem to do are extremely contextual and reliant on people physically replying fast enough that a 40+WPM is an actual requirement, so I dunno. The long-long form that B12 and a few other attached-to-obscure-game's-forum's-offtopic-section communities use has an opportunity for deep analysis other formats don't offer, with the problem that things which should be smashed flat into instant moments can easily have 24hr delays when you're waiting on one person who literally isn't present before proceeding.
Post by: Vector on December 31, 2020, 04:22:43 am
I'm aware that some players are just here to play a game and aren't really concerned with the culture, but we are in a social situation, and as such a social contract exists. What is the nature of that contract?
We could definitely do something like run a game in 72 hours over a long weekend; like a BM style setup, where each Day is, well, one day. It'd take some mucking about to make it work with timezones, and we probably couldn't do much by way of flavor.
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2020, 09:14:08 am
Along those lines, it would be really good to be more thoughtful about how to maintain our player base and improve board culture. What do we need that we don't have? How do we take care of everyone?You are right. That's part of the reason I started working on Mamobo. It could let us add more people and run quicker games that didn't rely on advanced mechanics to run (though, it could actually be possible eventually, if I got really bored)! It would be pretty flavorless, but they would at least allow for faster paced games.
I'm aware that some players are just here to play a game and aren't really concerned with the culture, but we are in a social situation, and as such a social contract exists. What is the nature of that contract?
We could definitely do something like run a game in 72 hours over a long weekend; like a BM style setup, where each Day is, well, one day. It'd take some mucking about to make it work with timezones, and we probably couldn't do much by way of flavor.
I think that I have definitely had a bit of a negative impact on this culture before this, so I kinda want to fix that. Mamobo seems like a really fun and cool way to do this, and I hope I'm getting to be a cool player and fix those early mistakes I made around here. Like, early me is kind of a giant toxic cesspool. Actually, not kind of. I think I got a lot of free passes because I was good at the game.
I... don't believe that should be the case anymore.
Post by: heydude6 on December 31, 2020, 09:35:41 am
I don’t take any of it personally anymore, I think it’s just part of the game, but very new players can find it very bothersome.
Post by: dolores on December 31, 2020, 09:36:10 am
I... don't believe that should be the case anymore.Right, the free pass should be unconditional
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2020, 09:50:08 am
Alright, I'll admit I laughed at that.I... don't believe that should be the case anymore.Right, the free pass should be unconditional
We could create some sort of civility clause. Ban cursing, the use of certain words like idiot, insults to intelligence etc.You're right. I definitely still insult people, and that seems like a detriment to finding more players than anything else. I don't think cursing is honestly a problem, though.
I don’t take any of it personally anymore, I think it’s just part of the game, but very new players can find it very bothersome.
Maybe my personal goal is to not let the hate consume me. No insults for an entire game. Same aloof web, zero calorie insults.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 31, 2020, 09:55:45 am
We could create some sort of civility clause. Ban cursing, the use of certain words like idiot, insults to intelligence etc.While I understand wanting to cater to people's sensitive skin, I think censoring people's behavior is just detrimental to mafia.
I don’t take any of it personally anymore, I think it’s just part of the game, but very new players can find it very bothersome.
Certain words shouldn't be allowed obviously.
If somebody is going to replace out because they can't handle the pressure or anxiety then I'm not sure what you could change without mafia not being mafia anymore.
Post by: dolores on December 31, 2020, 10:12:45 am
Certain words shouldn't be allowed obviously.There's no string of racial/cultural/etc. epithets that's nearly as offensive as the attempt to manufacture a narrative which runs counter to the broader awareness and identity narrative of the reader and supplants their judgements and causes them to harm their own interests. It is literally the worst thing you can do to someone with art.
It's also what you're expected to do in mafia.
I don't think issues with recruitment have anything to do with culture (and have elaborated as such before, though without checking it couldn't say if what I said was correct), but surely if you're trying to find long term active players based on the information set available to you, you should be catering to the kind of environment which would appeal to young!webadict, right?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 31, 2020, 10:20:59 am
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2020, 10:26:24 am
I was here when the subforum was created, and it was through the efforts of myself and several other people that enjoyed the game. I think that the necessary components to get people to join are dedicated players running and playing games.Certain words shouldn't be allowed obviously.There's no string of racial/cultural/etc. epithets that's nearly as offensive as the attempt to manufacture a narrative which runs counter to the broader awareness and identity narrative of the reader and supplants their judgements and causes them to harm their own interests. It is literally the worst thing you can do to someone with art.
It's also what you're expected to do in mafia.
I don't think issues with recruitment have anything to do with culture (and have elaborated as such before, though without checking it couldn't say if what I said was correct), but surely if you're trying to find long term active players based on the information set available to you, you should be catering to the kind of environment which would appeal to young!webadict, right?
I remember your arguments, and some of them do bring good points. But, I maybe you're right in that no matter what environment we have here, it's dedication that creates the crowd.
So maybe I am wrong there. Maybe I want a place that I can keep showing up and playing. And for me, I definitely want a bit of a light-hearted place. No early!webadict insult behavior. That means that insults aren't personally a problem with me. Calling someone a peasant seems hilarious to me because it feels almost childish, like we are all children at heart, trying to find the ones we can and can't trust in a semi-uncaring world.
You make a good point, dolores. Sometimes, I find your behavior overbearing, though. But, I do like that you are super dedicated and overall a fantastic player. You know what I mean?
Post by: heydude6 on December 31, 2020, 10:50:27 am
If somebody is going to replace out because they can't handle the pressure or anxiety then I'm not sure what you could change without mafia not being mafia anymore.
You're probably right about that. Pointing out objectively bad town plays can also hurt the feelings of certain people, but you have to do that to play the game right.
I wonder what Jim thinks about all of this? He seems pretty upset at the moment and I'm not sure he would brush aside the causes of those feelings as "just mafia things"
Post by: heydude6 on December 31, 2020, 10:58:26 am
You make a good point, dolores. Sometimes, I find your behavior overbearing, though. But, I do like that you are super dedicated and overall a fantastic player. You know what I mean?
I'm not Dolores, but we don't know what kinds of players we missed out on because they were scared away by our antics. Maybe we would have found other dedicated players if we could have gotten them to stick around as newbies.
Personally though, I don't think the issue is culture. I agree with the earlier sentiment that it probably is just a limitation of the format. Mafia is like D&D in that respect. Though you get an experience unlike any other, it's a big time investment from a large group of intelligent people which makes assembling a game tough. It will never grow to be as big as something accessible like an RTD.
On the bright side, Mafia doesn't lose anything from being played online.
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2020, 11:06:50 am
So, my personal goal will be to be a kinder Mafia player. I will avoid destructive criticism. I will continue to do my best. That's my Mafia New Year's Resolution.
I can't fully counter what dolores says, but environments become what people make them. Thus, if I want it to be a nice place, then I must make it one.
Maybe we should just open up a Beginner's Mafia now? Or even like a list that players could join so that if we have enough players, we can just run one? How can we get new players if they have nowhere to go?
Post by: 4maskwolf on December 31, 2020, 11:21:28 am
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2020, 11:26:14 am
I think veteran players (and I’m looking at myself here especially) also need to have a little bit of discretion when it comes to participating in games run for newer players. The line between “modeling good play while actively participating” and “steamrolling people trying to figure out what’s going on” can be pretty thin at times. I still regret the BM a few years ago where dolores and I turned D1 into a veterans thunderdome while all the new players watched awkwardly from the sidelines. I’ve been a new player before, and I can’t imagine watching us throwing around meta reads and complicated play style-based analyses on D1 was especially enlightening to the fundamentals of the game.Hahaha, yeah, that makes some amount of sense. I think there's something to be said that being on the DF forums though that a lot of these players might be a little used to complicated things, but we could still give a bit of a barrier to it, in case they're not fully sure they believe they can match the same level of play. Heck, even some veterans don't have the same type of dedication, and might even prefer games like that!
Post by: Vector on December 31, 2020, 11:29:23 am
I don't think we should have a no cursing clause, or even a "no personal attacks" clause.
Mostly, I think that part of the "lore" we should teach on the forum is a meta-game aspect: "You can be so intolerable in order to win one game that you harm your possibility of playing future games." If people quit, then you can't win. Note that clever gambits and pulling the wool over everyone's eyes usually make people want to play with you more. But we actually -- most of us -- can't hang everything we are at the door like a hat and just play. We have jobs, or kids, or midterms.
People usually think about banning things, but I would prefer to ask a different question: what game-playing skills are we missing out on due to a preference for blunt force? [1]
Here's another thing to consider: it's hard to have a meta-based playstyle if you keep chewing through players. Even if new people keep coming, you are actively harming your ability to gain skill in meta play.
I don't think issues with recruitment have anything to do with culture (and have elaborated as such before, though without checking it couldn't say if what I said was correct), but surely if you're trying to find long term active players based on the information set available to you, you should be catering to the kind of environment which would appeal to young!webadict, right?
Here's the thing, though: Webadict, or "webadick" as we used to call him unironically, took a long break. I had a period where I was playing seven active games at a time. I'm here right now even though most of my friends have left; many of them are still on the forum, but they don't want to play. NUKE is still here, Caz is here, Kashyyk is here, lots of people who I've played Mafia with. Around when I actually closed out Iron Diadem in 2014, there was a game so toxic that Toady had to step in, and 4mask asked us to calm it down. People said "no, it's just the culture."
And around then we started bleeding players, even though B12 as a whole never really started dying down until 2018. As I said in-thread, personally, I don't wanna be called "it." That's my line in the sand. Can I handle it? Yeah, of course I can. If you're the kind of person who gets called "it" in the internet, you're probably also regularly getting shit on in real life, say, by your boss at work, who has much more direct ability to influence your personal acquisition of food and shelter. I do want to say something here, though, which is that we frame this issue in terms of "people being thin-skinned" as opposed to "people exerting control over their personal environment when they can't exert control over their public one." If you have an ability to exert control over your public environment already, then this latter probably doesn't matter very much to you. Or you could just have a very different personality structure, idk & idc.
This could be outright coincidence, of course, and we're going to bleed people no matter what. Also, if my IRL friend group is any indicator, an event like a global pandemic makes some of us hunker down and avoid conflict, while others of us start thinking "hey, those raging assholes I used to play with on the internet really weren't so bad."
Referring back to [1], I'm interested in exploring whether I can play the game more efficiently and with less verbiage. I understand that this will make the game less miserable for others, but I also have relied on my ability to talk, and talk, and talk as a crutch since my very first game here (just look at this dang post!). The game will get stale for me unless I push myself with various forms of experimentation. Might as well.
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2020, 11:47:30 am
Referring back to [1], I'm interested in exploring whether I can play the game more efficiently and with less verbiage. I understand that this will make the game less miserable for others, but I also have relied on my ability to talk, and talk, and talk as a crutch since my very first game here (just look at this dang post!). The game will get stale for me unless I push myself with various forms of experimentation. Might as well.Vector, you got that right. Talking too much is a crutch. I think it's something I've even tried to get better at myself. Why many word when few do?
Yeah, I also got stabbed, so that definitely let me re-examine my life choices. There was a game where I yelled at Tiruin, the fucking nicest person around, where I knew I had to take a break from everything. She didn't deserve that.I don't think issues with recruitment have anything to do with culture (and have elaborated as such before, though without checking it couldn't say if what I said was correct), but surely if you're trying to find long term active players based on the information set available to you, you should be catering to the kind of environment which would appeal to young!webadict, right?
Here's the thing, though: Webadict, or "webadick" as we used to call him unironically, took a long break. I had a period where I was playing seven active games at a time. I'm here right now even though most of my friends have left; many of them are still on the forum, but they don't want to play. NUKE is still here, Caz is here, Kashyyk is here, lots of people who I've played Mafia with. Around when I actually closed out Iron Diadem in 2014, there was a game so toxic that Toady had to step in, and 4mask asked us to calm it down. People said "no, it's just the culture."
Basically, I want people to join games because they like playing with me, not in spite of me. That's my end goal. And I hope it can be at least somewhat in range of everyone else's.
Post by: Persus13 on December 31, 2020, 12:54:21 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 31, 2020, 01:10:45 pm
We definitely had this subforum basically die for a while, I think the culture we had going added to the natural stresses of mafia were a large part of that.
Is there anything you guys think I can do to help out?
Post by: dolores on December 31, 2020, 01:11:20 pm
I still regret the BM a few years ago where dolores and I turned D1 into a veterans thunderdome while all the new players watched awkwardly from the sidelines.Do you mean my fourth game? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=163788.0) That was after the extremely short reverse mafia then P25 and FBYOR2. There were two players who were new to mafia and everyone else had several times my level of experience. I haven't played any other BMs with you.
You know what I mean?Maybe? I think that you think that I care. And I mean, that's not a secret. It's very obvious that insomuch as I am here, I care. I'm well beyond the point where I think I would have any second thoughts if I didn't care.
Basically, I want people to join games because they like playing with me, not in spite of me. That's my end goal.Sure, but the kinds of people who want to joins with different kinds of people will vary.
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2020, 01:52:51 pm
Mafia is a game of logical, emotional, and social clues. You can win by using any one of these methods. I think you've mastered the logical aspects of the game. I think you still have a lot to learn about the other two, though. If you believe that's an attack on you, then I must have misspoken in some way and for that I do apologize. My goal is to emphasize that honey is a bigger motivator than vinegar.
If you do not truly care about that, then these words fall on deaf ears, and I will lament this alone. I plan to continue this discussion because I think that it's the best way forward for the Subforum. I want people to know my beliefs as they stand in the hopes that they could use my viewpoints to support or counter what should be done here.
Post by: Vector on December 31, 2020, 01:55:26 pm
I apologize for using the word "private" when I should have said "personal," as in, that this is a space we choose to be in for our free time, presumably our leisure time. It is not the street, where we are required to be while traversing between point A and point B, or the grocery store, or the bank, or school. Street harassment is, shall I say, a thing, and not generally a matter of likability. I'm not making this point for myself; I'm making it for the sake of our female-identified players, of whom we currently have a grand total of zero. For that reason, I will just say that you are missing the target and my personal likability is irrelevant to the situation I intended to discuss.
We may not share the same goals, but I am not required to share your goal, nor am I impeded from presenting my thinking in the public sphere.
I also wasn't actually trying to call you out personally. I'm talking about why I left. I didn't mention why I left when I left; I just left. I'm mentioning it right now because I'm having a good time playing and I am trying to think about how to get more people to stay and enjoy the game. I wanted to say that forum subculture had something to do with why I left because we then gain a data point: indeed, people have left due to our behavior. I think that my WoTing habits are not helping. You may disregard that data point at your leisure, but I don't apologize for presenting it.
I don't expect anyone to be sad that I'm not around. I do expect people to be sad that the subforum has gotten so small, so I expect that people care that I left in that our number of active players was decremented by 1, just as I hope that they care that, say, Org is gone. Org was a lousy player and I'm sorry he's not around.
If you would like me to be direct with you, Dolores, I think that your WoTing habits are also not helping, although I didn't call you out for them directly because we have historically treated WoTs as being intrinsically good play, and I didn't think that calling you out specifically would be appropriate. I'm not vaguebooking. A lot of players here through the years have made long posts the norm, including myself. Changing the norm starts with addressing the damage we have caused.
Post by: Caz on December 31, 2020, 02:35:07 pm
There was a game where I yelled at Tiruin, the fucking nicest person aroundTiruin was/is a nasty piece of work but probably a good example of what I'm talking about positioning people with soft power so they don't talk shit about you even if you act like a complete cunt.
Wow.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 31, 2020, 02:38:29 pm
Some people just have really small Grinch hearts.
EDIT:
This isn't towards you Caz, fyi.
Post by: Vector on December 31, 2020, 02:49:09 pm
Caz why did you point that out. *face palms*
I would suspect that it's because she finds it personally offensive, although I don't want to stick words in her mouth.
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2020, 02:56:53 pm
I'm not making this point for myself; I'm making it for the sake of our female-identified players, of whom we currently have a grand total of zero. For that reason, I will just say that you are missing the target and my personal likability is irrelevant to the situation I intended to discuss.I do see this as a bit of a failing, though. A lot of it might that we do condone a bit of a more toxic environment around here, and some of that is because we do almost reinforce people being insulting and rude to other people. That's not to say that women aren't able to play or even thrive in this game, but could this create an exclusionary effect for groups that are already feeling excluded? Why should we silently allow that? We don't need to create an artificial barrier to entry. The entry fee should be the willingness and dedication to play and a propensity to accept failure. This in itself is already a higher barrier than we expect out of most forum games, but I think that that's where we should draw the line in the sand. Honestly, I value your opinion highly on this because you have a much better insight into this than I do, on multiple fronts, so I appreciate you sharing whatever you can.
I don't expect anyone to be sad that I'm not around. I do expect people to be sad that the subforum has gotten so small, so I expect that people care that I left in that our number of active players was decremented by 1, just as I hope that they care that, say, Org is gone. Org was a lousy player and I'm sorry he's not around.Hm, maybe that's where I differ. I am sad to see players leave. ... I'm... not that sad about Org, since they refused to learn from their play or improve in general. That is a point of contention that I can't fully justify. I think maybe Org might have been a detriment to the game overall, and maybe that could be something that we hold players to. It's going to create an air of elitism, though, and that does lessen our player pool, but that seems like it'd be beneficial to the overall play experience. Perhaps we should keep certainly players from moving past the Beginner's Mafia stage if they do act in ways that run counter to the fun of the game? Can we allow ourselves that freedom?
If you would like me to be direct with you, Dolores, I think that your WoTing habits are also not helping, although I didn't call you out for them directly because we have historically treated WoTs as being intrinsically good play, and I didn't think that calling you out specifically would be appropriate. I'm not vaguebooking. A lot of players here through the years have made long posts the norm, including myself. Changing the norm starts with addressing the damage we have caused.Yes. It's a habit I've been trying to break myself of. Heck, I'm one of its innovators. I'll stand with you on that. It's also a scary aspect for veterans and new players alike.
Caz why did you point that out. *face palms*I don't think dolores has a small Grinch heart. I've been in a position like theirs before. It's certainly possible that they do not ever wish to let someone see that, but to say they have a small Grinch heart only worsens the problem, so long as they maintain etiquette. If they want to discuss things here without the slurs, I have no problems with that. I think it's abhorrent that they would say something like that about anyone but me, but maybe that's just the person I am. I am not necessarily anyone's friend, but I would never want anyone to be treated poorly here, for any reason. That isn't a position I started with.
Some people just have really small Grinch hearts.
This is good, I'm glad everyone is talking about things.Hm, I'm not sure. Do you have any insight you want to share? Moderator-focused, player-focused, etc. I think the best thing we can do here is discuss. Maybe my only question to you is that if we do add some basic decorum rules, would you be able to ensure that they're followed?
We definitely had this subforum basically die for a while, I think the culture we had going added to the natural stresses of mafia were a large part of that.
Is there anything you guys think I can do to help out?
Post by: heydude6 on December 31, 2020, 02:59:53 pm
It seems like they were applying that word to Web in this context at least, so at least it was used on someone who can handle it.
Shows the flaw in the thick vs thin skin way of thinking though. There are some words you shouldn’t say regardless of “skin”.
Ninjaed.
Meph, do you think it would be prudent to edit the word out?
Post by: Vector on December 31, 2020, 03:07:03 pm
I'm good with a Meph-edit for the sake of preserving a chill atmosphere.
Post by: dolores on December 31, 2020, 03:13:37 pm
I'm not here to pick a fight with you, dolores.I don't think anyone is, specifically. It was a figure of speech, and it was directed at Vector for crossthreading. I am picking a fight over the crossthreading.
Mafia is a game of logical, emotional, and social clues. You can win by using any one of these methods. I think you've mastered the logical aspects of the game.I've not mastered anything by any measure, or I wouldn't be here, obviously.
Bay12 in general is a dead end for art, which I would claim is also obvious but that varies on your school of thought.
There's a point at which my focus on the only part of the game I find generalizeable will come at a detriment to my ability to compete in the game. I don't think we're anywhere near that yet. The only games I've been in where other elements play a large part are broadly without merit.
of whom we currently have a grand total of zeroHow the fuck would you know.
The key point I am making is that this literally doesn't come up. I'd say that someone digging through another player's post history to give them personal shit is probably needlessly exposing themself to getting picked up by external moderation before they'll be able to make anything very useful out of it; and again, this kind of degenerate gameplay isn't really advancing the meta.
I don't expect anyone to be sad that I'm not around. I do expect people to be sad that the subforum has gotten so small, so I expect that people care that I left in that our number of active players was decremented by 1, just as I hope that they care that, say, Org is gone. Org was a lousy player and I'm sorry he's not around.Org being around is bad for the longterm health of the subforum, and taints any game he touches. What's the point of playing mafia specifically if you're not going to take it seriously.
I'm talking about why I left. I didn't mention why I left when I left; I just left. I'm mentioning it right now because I'm having a good time playing and I am trying to think about how to get more people to stay and enjoy the game. I wanted to say that forum subculture had something to do with why I left because we then gain a data point: indeed, people have left due to our behavior.Like, you're aware that we're all aware that his is intellectually dishonest. This kind of anecdote is obviously anecdotal, that's what it is. Why position it as a 'data point'?
Some people just have really small Grinch hearts.And third parties still come out of the woodwork to defend them to this day.
Post by: Vector on December 31, 2020, 03:32:55 pm
I also try to keep tabs on the gender makeup of the subforum because I've spent years in a profession which requires paying attention to how minority members of a social cohort are experiencing their environment, and then intervening as necessary to make the environment more inclusive. Indeed, no one can be certain of the gender of anyone here, but I do know that I initially presented as male in order to fit in, and that none of our current players publicly identify as female.
Regarding that point about data: I'm not claiming statistical meaningfulness, I'm talking about existence. For that purpose, anecdotal data is indeed meaningful.
I apologize for stirring the hornet's nest. I actually don't know from personal experience what makes you angry; I read through BYOR 0 because it was in the Notable Games Archive and I was curious about the meta that everyone was throwing around in the game we're currently playing. That's my knowledge of you. Clearly you are more complex than your posts here, as we all are. However, being deliberately provocative outside of the context of a game is not my style, which I hope you will take on faith.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 31, 2020, 03:38:50 pm
After BYOR 15 finishes, I'm hoping to run a sequel to Mostly Vanilla Mafia if roseheart doesn't take priority. The issue with Beginner's Mafia games isn't that they aren't good for teaching the basics (because they are), it's that they're not enticing to players. When the newbies spectate our games, they're more likely to be looking at the zany shenanigans of Mafiakart, or the perplexing puzzles of Bellsounder and Witches' Coven, not the 'you are a Vanilla Townie!' gameplay of the mountainous setups and Beginner's Mafia games. Which is why I like what I'm trying to accomplish with Mostly Vanilla Mafia, because it's simple enough to use as a teaching tool while still giving everyone a bit of power to make them feel special.
Post by: hector13 on December 31, 2020, 04:03:10 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on December 31, 2020, 04:04:18 pm
This is good, I'm glad everyone is talking about things.Hm, I'm not sure. Do you have any insight you want to share? Moderator-focused, player-focused, etc. I think the best thing we can do here is discuss. Maybe my only question to you is that if we do add some basic decorum rules, would you be able to ensure that they're followed?
We definitely had this subforum basically die for a while, I think the culture we had going added to the natural stresses of mafia were a large part of that.
Is there anything you guys think I can do to help out?
Well, mod-wise I think it's important that those of us running the game remember that the main point is that the game is interesting and engaging. Ideally fun, though mafia is a game that I find runs less to 'fun' and more towards 'mentally stimulating' for a lot of people. Which is fine, but I strive for my games to be both. I think I succeed more often than I fail, but I've definitely had failures in that regard.
I do think trying to expand our player base again would be good. Getting beginner games and whatnot running would be nice for that. And probably a few more vanilla-ish games that are easier for new people to jump into (we have some planned, yes). Bastard Paranormal and BYOR are neat, but I'd hate to be a new person in either of those.
On more of a Moderator level, I tend to be more hands-off, but that's partly because for a long time we've had a more contentious culture in this sub-forum and I didn't want to just drive everyone off by clamping down. Toady seems to have agreed with that approach for the most part, and this sub-forum is a bit less regulated than the rest of the forum. That may have been a mistake.
If we want to enforce some community guide-lines I'm happy to step in and do that with mod-edits and warnings and the like. We'd need people to specifically draw my attention to things, though, as there is no way I'm going to be able to read every single post in detail for that sort of thing. We'd also need to decide exactly what our standards are going to be.
Post by: heydude6 on December 31, 2020, 04:10:11 pm
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2020, 04:21:21 pm
I don't think anyone is, specifically. It was a figure of speech...Ah, I made an unfair assumption. However, I do think you give yourself too little credit, but that's a bit of a moot point right now.
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I've not mastered anything by any measure, or I wouldn't be here, obviously.
Bay12 in general is a dead end for art, which I would claim is also obvious but that varies on your school of thought.
There's a point at which my focus on the only part of the game I find generalizeable will come at a detriment to my ability to compete in the game. I don't think we're anywhere near that yet. The only games I've been in where other elements play a large part are broadly without merit.
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Org being around is bad for the longterm health of the subforum, and taints any game he touches. What's the point of playing mafia specifically if you're not going to take it seriously.
I think you and Vector have convinced me. I think you're right about Org. I had numerous contentious issues with them, and their flippant attitude towards the game was not helpful in the slightest. I'd be willing to take a harder stance against that behavior, since it certainly does feel negatively impactful on the metagame (We allow people like that to get away with outrageously disrupting behavior, and I disliked it.)
I read people's posts, old and new, because I'm curious about them as human beings. It's interesting to see how people work and try to see what's going on with them.I am quite similar, actually, but my rationale behind it has changed over the years. I'd like this to be a welcome subforum with a dedicated base of players, and if we could find newer players that want to join us because they too are dedicated, I think that's overall an improvement. If we have to make some changes to the culture because of that so that minority members might feel more included... I'm actually very in favor of it, and we could only be better because of it. I think anyone that isn't in favor of it might be more of a toxic influence than not, and while we might lose their membership, it seems like a worthwhile investment overall, as a more positive culture would certainly make me enjoy these games more.
I also try to keep tabs on the gender makeup of the subforum because I've spent years in a profession which requires paying attention to how minority members of a social cohort are experiencing their environment, and then intervening as necessary to make the environment more inclusive. Indeed, no one can be certain of the gender of anyone here, but I do know that I initially presented as male in order to fit in, and that none of our current players publicly identify as female.
The issue with Beginner's Mafia games isn't that they aren't good for teaching the basics (because they are), it's that they're not enticing to players. When the newbies spectate our games, they're more likely to be looking at the zany shenanigans of Mafiakart, or the perplexing puzzles of Bellsounder and Witches' Coven, not the 'you are a Vanilla Townie!' gameplay of the mountainous setups and Beginner's Mafia games. Which is why I like what I'm trying to accomplish with Mostly Vanilla Mafia, because it's simple enough to use as a teaching tool while still giving everyone a bit of power to make them feel special.I think there are two ends to this spectrum. The wild and crazy setups certainly lessen the Day game impact, and the more vanilla setups focus almost entirely on it. But, the Day game is important. Perhaps there is a way to make an Power Role filled version of Beginner's Mafia? It doesn't seem impossible to me, and it'd allow for a BM that has a bit of both aspects. Puzzle games are an entirely different breed of game, though, and I don't think that could accurately be mimicked in a BM game. Your Mostly Vanilla Mafia has some benefits in this regard, and I'd be a bit interested in using a system like this in Mamobo, if you were interested in helping.
NOTE: I am not against helping you with moderation should you ever feel the need. I actually nominated you to Toady for the Moderator position specifically because I felt that you were very hands-off for the most part and that most people would believe you to be a very unbiased person should an argument break out and need resolution. I did not have the same faith in myself at that point.Spoiler: Length (click to show/hide)
I think you and hector13 are right, in that zealotry is probably not the way to go, but that as a community, we would need to strive for a better culture. It shouldn't rest on your back to solve all of our issues, and that's why I'm bringing this discussion up at all. That's why I trust a lot of what Vector says, as they have experienced a lot of our issues firsthand, and if they can give us insight into what we can all do better as a community, then we can be a more inclusive community. Those are not all of our issues, but it is something I think should be addressed while we discuss them.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 31, 2020, 04:39:46 pm
After BYOR 15 finishes, I'm hoping to run a sequel to Mostly Vanilla Mafia if roseheart doesn't take priority. The issue with Beginner's Mafia games isn't that they aren't good for teaching the basics (because they are), it's that they're not enticing to players. When the newbies spectate our games, they're more likely to be looking at the zany shenanigans of Mafiakart, or the perplexing puzzles of Bellsounder and Witches' Coven, not the 'you are a Vanilla Townie!' gameplay of the mountainous setups and Beginner's Mafia games. Which is why I like what I'm trying to accomplish with Mostly Vanilla Mafia, because it's simple enough to use as a teaching tool while still giving everyone a bit of power to make them feel special.
Putting new players through a training camp is also a very good method of filtering them which is alright if you have a healthy subforum and the trickle of players who stick around matches the rate of attrition but terrible if your forum is dead.
I recall thinking some years ago that the true purpose of the Beginner's Mafias was to keep new players from ruining the games everybody else was enjoying on the forum and it was succeeding wonderfully at that purpose.
I wonder what Jim thinks about all of this? He seems pretty upset at the moment and I'm not sure he would brush aside the causes of those feelings as "just mafia things"
What am I supposed to be upset at? I hope people don't think I'm actually upset about something.
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code of conduct/community guidelines/etc.
I haven't been here for five years so I don't have much standing to have an opinion but I'm not in favor.
It might be more useful to remind people that this is a silly internet game that people play for fun and that there actually isn't anything at stake, and certainly nothing worth being a gigantic asshole to somebody else for, and by the same token nothing worth enduring being subjected to a gigantic asshole for.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 31, 2020, 04:48:58 pm
I think there are two ends to this spectrum. The wild and crazy setups certainly lessen the Day game impact, and the more vanilla setups focus almost entirely on it. But, the Day game is important. Perhaps there is a way to make an Power Role filled version of Beginner's Mafia? It doesn't seem impossible to me, and it'd allow for a BM that has a bit of both aspects. Puzzle games are an entirely different breed of game, though, and I don't think that could accurately be mimicked in a BM game. Your Mostly Vanilla Mafia has some benefits in this regard, and I'd be a bit interested in using a system like this in Mamobo, if you were interested in helping.I'd love to do some setup design with you for Mostly Vanilla Mafia 2 (which would then let Meph be an IC if he wanted, heh).
Post by: hector13 on December 31, 2020, 04:55:06 pm
The only major issue is that assholery is subjective.
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2020, 05:00:27 pm
I'd love to do some setup design with you for Mostly Vanilla Mafia 2 (which would then let Meph be an IC if he wanted, heh).It's a long-term project, but it's certainly something I would enjoy doing. A method to generate entirely random setups as well as modify the power levels accordingly would be a great way to introduce some newer players to the game, if they love the power-heavy shenanigans without having to totally ruin the Day game. I think a Day game is something of a necessity if players are going to play here long term, but maybe there are some players that want to only play those Beginner games. I think that should not be discouraged, unless those players take the spots of other players that would like to become more permanent residents (which I honestly do not expect to be a problem ever.)
The only major issue is that assholery is subjective.That is why we should have a discussion about it, and that's something I want everyone to be in more or less agreement on. For me, I am not really for derogatory treatment of others. But, I know I have expected results from players that did not want to produce them, and to me, that did not feel like an issue, but perhaps to them, it was senseless. I think that might negatively impact a game, because it's a mismatched idea of assholery.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 31, 2020, 05:37:32 pm
You should look over Shakerag's Power Hungry Mafia games as a starting point. I believe he had a computerized role generation tool.I'd love to do some setup design with you for Mostly Vanilla Mafia 2 (which would then let Meph be an IC if he wanted, heh).It's a long-term project, but it's certainly something I would enjoy doing. A method to generate entirely random setups as well as modify the power levels accordingly would be a great way to introduce some newer players to the game, if they love the power-heavy shenanigans without having to totally ruin the Day game. I think a Day game is something of a necessity if players are going to play here long term, but maybe there are some players that want to only play those Beginner games. I think that should not be discouraged, unless those players take the spots of other players that would like to become more permanent residents (which I honestly do not expect to be a problem ever.)
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 31, 2020, 09:52:54 pm
I like the complex setups that are a horrible, wonderful mess.
Being expected to be dedicated enough to spend hours a day analyzing posts turns me away. I sometimes want to come back and be inexperienced enough to play a beginners mafia despite the boring setup, not because of the boring setup, because it's easier and I wouldn't feel like I should be on the level of analyzing old games from several people, without the time or knowledge to do so.
I think the easiest "hey new people, come play mafia!" event would be smaller BYORs with 24-48 hour days, oriented to people who either don't know how to properly read people, or don't want to be dedicated to trying to figure out the difference between town!Toony and scum!Toony. There could be debriefings afterwards from ICs telling people how they can do better, and players can graduate into longer games when they have a handle on things and want more time for analysis.
Mamobo running games would help here.
Post by: ToonyMan on January 19, 2021, 10:38:08 am
It ran for two months. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156180.0)
How...why...why...
EDIT:
roo has been prodded.
OSG has been prodded.
Everyone has been prodded.
Everyone has been prodded again!
I just prodded EP.
Idea: If everyone agrees, how about a one week limit for finishing the game? If nobody is lynched by that point, everyone loses.
Everyone has been prodded again.
Vengeful Mafia 11: Everyone Has Been Prodded Again
Vengeful Mafia 11: You Can (Not) Prod Enough
Post by: notquitethere on January 19, 2021, 11:02:21 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 19, 2021, 02:45:39 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on January 22, 2021, 05:40:48 pm
My last mafia game before coming back recently was Meph's THE SYSTEM (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=153327.0) semi-bastard in Fall 2015. After dying in that game I just completely stopped posted in the Mafia subboard. I think there's two main reasons:
1. I was currently finishing my undergraduate studies and was pretty busy.
2. I had been playing mafia actively here since Summer 2009 (fun fact: Paranormal 6 was the first game of mafia I was ever in that finished (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=37226.0)), that's over 6 years and probably close to 100 games.
Afterwards I graduated in 2016 and promptly went into graduate school because I had nothing better to do. I'm still technically in graduate school until I decide to leave, but it's not really costing me anything and I'm in a good position at this point.
While not playing mafia I started entering local tournaments in my area for fun and to have something to do socially during the week.
Mainly I played Project M, but I also entered 64 and random stuff.
I won a Windjammers tournament in 2016 (https://youtu.be/BbkWWPIzDRk) which is probably the most popular video I'll ever be in.
And I was still playing Smash Bros (https://youtu.be/2moZ2wkVkXk) until literally everything got cancelled in 2020. There was some netplay stuff going on but I'm not really interested in just playing someone through a screen.
I'm strongly tempted to ask Toady to change my handle to just "Toony" but I don't know. I don't think it'd confuse anyone...
Friendly reminder that mafia is an evil, evil game.It sure is. I also think mafia helped me through high school.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 22, 2021, 06:10:16 pm
... oh fuck I'm 21, when did that happen.
In any case, if anyone notices that I'm playing or running better games now than when I was in my teens, that's probably the reason, heh.
Post by: hector13 on January 22, 2021, 06:23:51 pm
I rather enjoyed it at first but now I’m a known quantity it is less enjoyable. I can’t seem to get the motivation to do quite as much analysis as these boards require a lot of the time, and my town game does not in any capacity gel well with playing as scum.
Or I just really suck as scum.
I also become a really horrible person when I get too invested in mafia, and I don’t like that.
... oh fuck I'm 21, when did that happen.
lol
I started playing when I was... 29? 28.
Post by: notquitethere on January 22, 2021, 06:46:07 pm
Post by: webadict on January 22, 2021, 08:53:06 pm
I apparently joined in 2008... Looks like that's my first year of college. Huh, I was probably really bored, and I know I was trying to play DF on a broken down old laptop that couldn't handle anything. My first game of Mafia was Pirate Mafia, which is the third oldest game on this subforum, neat. You got all the old favorites, like Pandarsenic, Cheeetar..., uh...inaluct... and... Frelock? Kashyyk? Damn it, there's like nobody around since then.
I mean, honestly, having something to do is kinda nice. I've been stuck at home for almost a year doing nothing, so showing up here and playing some games is a lot of fun. It's neat, because you can see me metamorphose from young wide-eyed nihilist to paranoid trauma survivor to super cool awesome dude. Like its own living diary. And here I thought I'd never be able to keep a journal.
Oh what wandering ways we walk. I can never come up with a good hobby to fill my time because it'd involve dedicating myself to something. Too many ideas in my head, and too little space on the medium for them to fit.
Post by: hector13 on January 22, 2021, 09:39:21 pm
Oh wait did you mean- oh. Never mind.
;D
Post by: webadict on January 22, 2021, 09:43:04 pm
When do you become super awesome dude?That's a good point. I suppose I've always been a super awesome dude.
Oh wait did you mean- oh. Never mind.
;D
Post by: Mephansteras on January 22, 2021, 10:29:18 pm
I've been here a long, long time apparently. Which is cool. It's nice to have some comfort zones in life.
Hey, Toony, what are you getting your degree in?
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 22, 2021, 11:12:02 pm
And I was still playing Smash Bros (https://youtu.be/2moZ2wkVkXk)
my homie ToonyMan here complains about not being the protagonist and here he is maining the player 2 character
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Post by: ToonyMan on January 23, 2021, 01:47:29 am
Hey, Toony, what are you getting your degree in?Electrical Engineering. My undergraduate degree was in EE and also in graduate school I'm doing EE with a focus in electronics and power systems. My new job is power related. No it's not at a power plant, but you could say it's my fault if you lose power in New England.
my homie ToonyMan here complains about not being the protagonist and here he is maining the player 2 characterI've brought this on myself haven't I?
I can't resist though, I've always liked playing as Luigi.
Post by: Caz on January 23, 2021, 06:36:19 am
Bay12 has always been a friendly little corner of the internet to escape to. Probably why I keep coming back to play even though I'm persistently awful.
Post by: Shakerag on January 23, 2021, 11:19:30 am
... oh fuck I'm 21, when did that happen.
I'm less than a month away from hitting the big four-oh. Get used to that feeling.
Post by: heydude6 on January 25, 2021, 10:59:38 am
I wanted to discuss things with someone rather than get blindsided by some important thing I forgot to consider. I can imagine there being a ton of rookie mistakes a first-time moderator could do and I'd like to avoid them if I could.
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2021, 11:16:34 am
So out of curiosity, how hard is it to run a mafia game? I've got this set-up I've been interested in running for a while, but I have no idea how to do things like create a quicktopic. I also don't know what kind of details I should include in an OP.Fairly easy, depending on the setup. Is it closed or open (are roles known or hidden?)
I wanted to discuss things with someone rather than get blindsided by some important thing I forgot to consider. I can imagine there being a ton of rookie mistakes a first-time moderator could do and I'd like to avoid them if I could.
Making a QT is very easy. The hard part is running the game, flavor, mechanics, etc.
Post by: heydude6 on January 25, 2021, 11:35:01 am
I guess I can figure out the QT with google, but what are common pitfalls that you see? I’m not too worried about my ability to write flavour.
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2021, 11:43:55 am
Roles are definitely hidden, but I’m still debating whether I should reveal or hide the number of mafia. It’s a meme game with an unconventional number. To be honest, I’d like to talk the details over with someone in private to make sure the whole thing is balanced. But that means they wouldn’t be allowed to play.You can send it to me or ask Meph. Meph has helped balance a lot, and doesn't typically play. I am also okay with sitting out for a game.
I guess I can figure out the QT with google, but what are common pitfalls that you see? I’m not too worried about my ability to write flavour.
Post by: heydude6 on January 25, 2021, 12:12:47 pm
I'm sure he reads this thing after all.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 25, 2021, 12:21:34 pm
Post by: TolyK on January 25, 2021, 12:25:03 pm
Just random thoughts. I might join a game sometime after "the crazy period". ;D
Mafia Marathon
Holy shit you guys played a game of mafia for a year? That's nuts.
Not the first time that's happened. Though, it was technically played for a few months...
Along those lines, it would be really good to be more thoughtful about how to maintain our player base and improve board culture. What do we need that we don't have? How do we take care of everyone?You are right. That's part of the reason I started working on Mamobo. It could let us add more people and run quicker games that didn't rely on advanced mechanics to run (though, it could actually be possible eventually, if I got really bored)! It would be pretty flavorless, but they would at least allow for faster paced games.
I'm aware that some players are just here to play a game and aren't really concerned with the culture, but we are in a social situation, and as such a social contract exists. What is the nature of that contract?
We could definitely do something like run a game in 72 hours over a long weekend; like a BM style setup, where each Day is, well, one day. It'd take some mucking about to make it work with timezones, and we probably couldn't do much by way of flavor.
Heyyy I was working on a mafia bot. Except I wanted it to handle BYOR style stuff too. I made an "engine" already twice or thrice, but each time I returned I realized I had done it all wrong, and the code sucked. :P
A method to generate entirely random setups as well as modify the power levels accordingly would be a great way to introduce some newer players to the game, if they love the power-heavy shenanigans without having to totally ruin the Day game.
I had a concept for that. Except balancing would be a nightmare due to nonlinear interactions...
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I think that I have definitely had a bit of a negative impact on this culture before this, so I kinda want to fix that. Mamobo seems like a really fun and cool way to do this, and I hope I'm getting to be a cool player and fix those early mistakes I made around here. Like, early me is kind of a giant toxic cesspool. Actually, not kind of. I think I got a lot of free passes because I was good at the game.
I... don't believe that should be the case anymore.
I felt this in my bones. I think I started when you were already just the cool guy, but I was more or less a teenager and, thus, asshole, back then too. :D
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Regarding why people leave/go on breaks... for me, it's just been other things. I got a lot of work, university, marriage, moving... and lots of activities I want to do outside of work, too.
Post by: Vector on January 25, 2021, 01:56:59 pm
I accidentally opened bay12 forums from my browser bar, so I decided to hop in and read a bit. :)
Hey, I've just been thinking about you!! I'm so happy to see you. Congratulations on your marriage!
Post by: ToonyMan on January 25, 2021, 09:32:02 pm
Just random thoughts. I might join a game sometime after "the crazy period". ;DCool. Bay12 will be known as a mafia forum by 2030.
Post by: Toaster on January 26, 2021, 10:24:39 am
I will also join on congrats as well, though we all know where your true love is... (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=124335.msg4250281#msg4250281) :P
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2021, 11:41:08 am
Post by: TricMagic on January 26, 2021, 11:44:01 am
Post by: Toaster on January 26, 2021, 11:59:37 am
Edit: OH MY GOD THAT WAS NINE YEARS AGO
Post by: TricMagic on January 26, 2021, 12:14:55 pm
Running one is daunting, especially when trying to come up with 12+ interesting, engaging, and balanced roles from scratch, essentially. I learned some things about balance from Bring Your Own Picture (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=96665.0). Also holy crap there were 18 players in that game? I had forgotten it got that big.
Edit: OH MY GOD THAT WAS NINE YEARS AGO
Neko Death Knight.. Picture is dead though. And web is mafia apparently. And
Honestly BYOP sounds interesting.
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2021, 12:53:14 pm
Running one is daunting, especially when trying to come up with 12+ interesting, engaging, and balanced roles from scratch, essentially. I learned some things about balance from Bring Your Own Picture (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=96665.0). Also holy crap there were 18 players in that game? I had forgotten it got that big.Yeah, ideas can always be a hassle. I just steal all of mine from other people.
Edit: OH MY GOD THAT WAS NINE YEARS AGO
Post by: Mephansteras on January 26, 2021, 01:02:43 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 26, 2021, 02:06:09 pm
Running one is daunting, especially when trying to come up with 12+ interesting, engaging, and balanced roles from scratch, essentially. I learned some things about balance from Bring Your Own Picture (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=96665.0). Also holy crap there were 18 players in that game? I had forgotten it got that big.
Edit: OH MY GOD THAT WAS NINE YEARS AGO
Neko Death Knight.. Picture is dead though. And web is mafia apparently. AndDarkLink is here.
Honestly BYOP sounds interesting.
Good thing I saved all the pictures locally just in case! (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_FsNFGsoA1KZWVlMDNmMTQtOGRmOC00NGYzLWFmNDktNDc1ZWRhZjZhOTYx/view?usp=sharing)
Like I said in the postgame, making roles consistent with a night action, an auto, and a stronger one shot sounds good on paper, but is harder to balance and make interesting in theory, and some roles suffered because of it.
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2021, 02:13:01 pm
Post by: heydude6 on January 26, 2021, 02:25:32 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 26, 2021, 02:29:19 pm
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2021, 02:50:17 pm
What's the DFK theory of design?Draw Kill Fuck. Planeswalkers have an ability that does each of those, but typically, there is a cheap ability that draws or small value advantage, an expensive ability that kills something, keeping the planeswalker protected, and a super expensive ability that fucks your opponent and you basically win. Similar to an Auto, an Action, and a One-Shot. But since Planeswalkers have varying abilities, you get thing that change it around because, well, DKF is boringly linear. Gotta get new ideas. Like, what if Kill is the cheap one and Draw the expensive one? Or what if Fuck is the cheap one? Sounds dumb, but... Well... It happens.
Post by: heydude6 on January 26, 2021, 03:13:43 pm
In a sign of changing times, BYOP had 18 players and BYOR15 had 16 players; only one player (Jim) played in both games. (Granted Web and I each modded one and played the other, but that's still saying something of the player drift.)
A part of me wonders how compatible mafia is with things like adult life and a career. Ideally, you'd put in quite a heavy amount of time into mafia. I'm a lonely college student so I can do that, but can you do this while raising a family or having a marriage? I wonder if TolyK has any thoughts on that?
If such were the case, it would be inevitable for a new generation to take over.
*snip*
Thanks. One alternative is giving a card the ability to do multiple draws or kills, and forgo the fuck entirely. Maybe give a card and anti-fuck, or an anti draw or kill?
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2021, 03:57:54 pm
A part of me wonders how compatible mafia is with things like adult life and a career. Ideally, you'd put in quite a heavy amount of time into mafia. I'm a lonely college student so I can do that, but can you do this while raising a family or having a marriage? I wonder if TolyK has any thoughts on that?
Honestly, this is like, my one hobby. If I ever get imprisoned for some reason I am sure that I will try to convince people to play mafia. There are no better games than this. The game of Kingmakers.
If other people get to watch football or do bookclubs or saturday brunch or religion, then I get to play Mafia. That's my bottom line.
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2021, 04:10:25 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 26, 2021, 04:18:54 pm
In a sign of changing times, BYOP had 18 players and BYOR15 had 16 players; only one player (Jim) played in both games. (Granted Web and I each modded one and played the other, but that's still saying something of the player drift.)
A part of me wonders how compatible mafia is with things like adult life and a career. Ideally, you'd put in quite a heavy amount of time into mafia. I'm a lonely college student so I can do that, but can you do this while raising a family or having a marriage? I wonder if TolyK has any thoughts on that?
It's possible, certainly, but having any sort of daily time segmented away for the game helps maintain it. There was a reason I ran my phase end processing at 11 PM; I could pretty much be guaranteed free time around then.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2021, 12:55:37 pm
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2021, 01:03:46 pm
Bit of a weird thing, but does anyone want to join me on another mafia site for a hot seat game? Basically, it's a Vanilla++ 48/24 setup where every "player" is a team of several players who rotate which player is active each day.
Sure, if we get another player or two for a team?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2021, 01:35:06 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2021, 02:01:09 pm
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2021, 02:31:15 pm
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2021, 02:38:24 pm
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2021, 02:39:29 pm
Post by: TricMagic on January 29, 2021, 02:43:42 pm
Someone should run a tagteam game here :V With like . . . I dunno, 15 players. In a bit.That sounds almost as chaotic as a BYOR. Crazy Idea too about each player having their own role, and some pairs actually being comprised of a Mafia and Town for more chaos.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2021, 02:47:48 pm
5 posts a day minimum... I mean, I can do that, but blech!
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2021, 02:49:13 pm
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2021, 03:19:33 pm
ughghghghghg ok if we team up with Webadict I'll think about it.Damnit, Vector knows my weakness.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2021, 03:23:34 pm
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o84sw9CmwYpAnRRni/giphy.gif)ughghghghghg ok if we team up with Webadict I'll think about it.Damnit, Vector knows my weakness.
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2021, 03:46:12 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2021, 03:50:19 pm
Do they have a Dark theme?Yes. And also a great many more muted themes that aren't full on dark mode. Check the bottom left corner of the site. There's a dropdown menu.
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2021, 04:00:33 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2021, 04:01:00 pm
Edit: we can put you for a later slot, I'll handle D1. D1 is going to be chaotic as hell.
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2021, 04:04:38 pm
EDIT: We need a team name. "The Hammers" ? "Dorf Squad?" "Team Carp?"
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2021, 07:55:26 pm
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2021, 07:56:55 pm
EDIT: Also acceptable: "Kill Webadict Now"
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2021, 07:58:44 pm
I love it.
Anyone else want in? We can participate with three but we've got two more slots open if anyone wants them.
Post by: ToonyMan on January 29, 2021, 07:59:59 pm
EDIT:
We need a team name. "The Hammers" ? "Dorf Squad?" "Team Carp?"I like the name "The Hammerers" because it's relevant to Bay12 itself.
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2021, 08:07:19 pm
I'm not sure I want to play a game where players share the same body.The Hammerers definitely fits a Dwarven Mafia, yes, but... It needs something more. Like, a piece of its soul is stuck in limbo, and the only way for us to find its heavenly name is to affix that long-lost heart. Presumably through the power of dance.
EDIT:We need a team name. "The Hammers" ? "Dorf Squad?" "Team Carp?"I like the name "The Hammerers" because it's relevant to Bay12 itself.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2021, 08:48:07 pm
Why do I feel like you're going to make me name our team something terrible.I'm not sure I want to play a game where players share the same body.The Hammerers definitely fits a Dwarven Mafia, yes, but... It needs something more. Like, a piece of its soul is stuck in limbo, and the only way for us to find its heavenly name is to affix that long-lost heart. Presumably through the power of dance.
EDIT:We need a team name. "The Hammers" ? "Dorf Squad?" "Team Carp?"I like the name "The Hammerers" because it's relevant to Bay12 itself.
Edit: Fair enough, Toonyman. We'd love to have you but this type of relay game definitely isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2021, 10:10:17 pm
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2021, 10:47:24 pm
Post by: heydude6 on January 30, 2021, 10:20:46 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 30, 2021, 10:24:01 pm
So I'm just curious, but can anyone give me an example of a game where cult was done well? Cult has this reputation of being terribly unbalanced, but I'm sure some good games have come out of it, otherwise the idea wouldn't be so well-known.I'm... not sure. I've seen Mentor/mentee type cults work well (a cult leader with either a one-shot conversion or a stipulation that you can only have one cultist at a time) but I'm not sure I've seen a game with a full cult where the cult wasn't atrocious to play against or randomly got stomped immediately.
Post by: hector13 on January 30, 2021, 10:24:55 pm
It ended anti-climatically though since he never considered how one of the mechanics worked in the event of tied votes, which handed the game to one of the cults.
Also I was not very nice on the last day so that’s also why you should not read it.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 30, 2021, 10:25:56 pm
OSG’s emergency mafia thing or whatever had two cults.
It ended anti-climatically though since he never considered how one of the mechanics worked in the event of tied votes, which handed the game to one of the cults.
Also I was not very nice on the last day so that’s also why you should not read it.
OSG’s emergency mafia thing or whatever had two cults.
two cults.Oh god why.
Post by: hector13 on January 30, 2021, 10:27:30 pm
I got lucky in receiving an ability when another player died that made me immune to conversions, so if things played out better town would’ve won.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 30, 2021, 10:28:24 pm
WHY!?!?!?!?!?!?
Post by: hector13 on January 30, 2021, 10:29:05 pm
Semi-bastard and ill thought out, plus my aforementioned shame and disappointment, but fun.
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2021, 10:31:33 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on January 31, 2021, 01:48:25 pm
As for cults, they are one of the basic scum teams that can show up in my Supernatural games. Pretty sure they've had a good game or two in that series, though I'd have to look back through them to remember which ones.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 31, 2021, 01:53:13 pm
Though people never did explain to me what an illusionist actually did.
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 31, 2021, 02:18:27 pm
So I'm just curious, but can anyone give me an example of a game where cult was done well? Cult has this reputation of being terribly unbalanced, but I'm sure some good games have come out of it, otherwise the idea wouldn't be so well-known.
Cult Mafia (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=92881.0) and Supernatural Mafia Round 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74938.0) come to mind for pretty decent cult games.
Looking back at those games and my comments in them, I think Cult Mafia was cult flavored, but in that game there were a few townies who identified who the cult leader was but couldn't clutch out the lynch. In Supernatural 3 there was a decent amount of power against the cult, but they had a literally perfect night game (they converted the SK on N1 and converted or eliminated players who got guilty results against them on N2).
Post by: webadict on January 31, 2021, 02:38:01 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on January 31, 2021, 06:38:58 pm
My personal favorite supernatural was the dark magus one.That is also my favorite Supernatural. The conversion was just a one-shot which seems more fair.
Though people never did explain to me what an illusionist actually did.
Post by: Superdorf on February 02, 2021, 09:58:59 pm
I've POE'd Hector. I'll go into it more when I'm awake. I'm half expecting Superdorf not to disappear when d4 rolls around, but I think we can afford to give him benefit of the doubt for today. There was something else I was going to respond to but I'm sleepy and it can wait till the morning. Sorry for whatever I might have missed
...
Superdorf
Y'all remembered me :))
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 02, 2021, 10:01:12 pm
'Course we do!I've POE'd Hector. I'll go into it more when I'm awake. I'm half expecting Superdorf not to disappear when d4 rolls around, but I think we can afford to give him benefit of the doubt for today. There was something else I was going to respond to but I'm sleepy and it can wait till the morning. Sorry for whatever I might have missed
...Superdorf
Y'all remembered me :))
Post by: ToonyMan on February 02, 2021, 10:01:17 pm
IronyOwl also voted you on Day 5.SuperdorfY'all remembered me :))
I mean Luckyowl.
Post by: notquitethere on February 03, 2021, 03:36:50 am
Post by: TricMagic on February 03, 2021, 09:09:46 am
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2021, 09:01:35 am
The Notable Games Archive probably has reduced my eyesight and sanity at least a little bit. :P
Hey, I've just been thinking about you!! I'm so happy to see you. Congratulations on your marriage!
Thank you! ^.^
Hey TolyK.Just random thoughts. I might join a game sometime after "the crazy period". ;DCool. Bay12 will be known as a mafia forum by 2030.
I was thinking more in terms of a month rather than a decade...
Congrats and hello TolyK! Stick around and see what's going on.
I will also join on congrats as well, though we all know where your true love is... (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=124335.msg4250281#msg4250281) :P
:-*
I had to reread that game... I was a town poisoner, and it was hilarious how Tiruin was right for all the wrong reasons.
A part of me wonders how compatible mafia is with things like adult life and a career. Ideally, you'd put in quite a heavy amount of time into mafia. I'm a lonely college student so I can do that, but can you do this while raising a family or having a marriage? I wonder if TolyK has any thoughts on that?I think it's totaly compatible with adult life, like most things. But a lot of my "adult" life seems to be doing many different things that all require time. Your (future) significant other(s?) might "take" some time (that, ideally, you both enjoy :P), your job takes a lot of time (depending on how productive you are at work :P), other things like friends and solo hobbies take time. Also, sleep should take time, big QoL thing there...
If such were the case, it would be inevitable for a new generation to take over.
Everything's compatible with adult life. That's the real secret.Exactly. Though the real real secret is probably learning to do the most-impactful things first, rather than easiest-at-the-moment (e.g. scrolling twitter/reddit/facebook/youtube/whatever, which I'm a big guilty of).
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 05, 2021, 09:11:42 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2021, 01:22:59 pm
Post by: notquitethere on February 05, 2021, 01:57:19 pm
Post by: webadict on February 05, 2021, 02:24:51 pm
That's a 'excuse me how did you get away with that' moment if I've ever seen one.I think I remember that Urist said that they would change it if it wasn't okay, so it's pretty much on me.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2021, 03:03:46 pm
Though most of my games are open or semi-open, I've been working on a closed-setup I'm calling Nomic Bastard Mafia in which there are additional hidden rules, some of which begin distributed among the players. It's ready to play (as is the CYOM Redux) but alas I'm too busy right now and there's already games in the queue!Rysith Semi-Bastard Intensifies
I see.That's a 'excuse me how did you get away with that' moment if I've ever seen one.I think I remember that Urist said that they would change it if it wasn't okay, so it's pretty much on me.
One of the sillier ideas for a mafia game I've had is a game designed to be as 'gotta go fast' as possible. 24 hour days, 0 hour nights - all actions must be queued up during the day and are then immediately executed when the day ends. Could be absurd with the right setup structure, but also a lot of work for the mod.
Post by: Vector on February 05, 2021, 03:16:44 pm
PS: Rysith's was great. I want the Nomic Bastard.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 05, 2021, 04:10:59 pm
I mean, if we wanna talk about that, some other boards say "yeeted" instead of "lynched." This is fundamentally a game about mob violence.Been stalking MU games or just generally aware of the larger mafia community zeitgeist?
PS: Rysith's was great. I want the Nomic Bastard.
Post by: notquitethere on February 05, 2021, 04:13:39 pm
I've often thought about the uncomfortable use of "lynch"-- In fact when I explain the game to people IRL I always use a different word like "removed" or "exiled" or something with less, uh, overtones.
Post by: Mephansteras on February 05, 2021, 04:16:19 pm
It is a bit of a problematic word, though. I'll try to pay more attention in the future.
Post by: ToonyMan on February 05, 2021, 04:20:46 pm
For example Mafiascum changed every instance of lynch to eliminate so you have stupid shit like Elo to describe lylo.
I disagee with this decision.
1. As anon players on a forum, we have no visual or audial cues to discriminate each other. If somebody was being an idiot anyway and using derogatory slurs they'd get banned off the forum for breaking the guidelines.
2. What if my name was David Lynch? Is my name banned?
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2021, 04:25:04 pm
I was just reading through the role list for that game, seeing all the various types of wizards, and suddenly Urist Imiknorris is the grand wizard of the KKK.
Wow, yeah. On one hand, reading that sentence is hilarious. On the other, ridiculing evil people is probably good (see: South Park). On the third... yeah, it's probably best to approach with caution/much forethought.
I saw that lynch was being removed from mafia communities for reasons.
For example Mafiascum changed every instance of lynch to eliminate so you have stupid shit like Elo to describe lylo.
I disagee with this decision.
1. As anon players on a forum, we have no visual or audial cues to discriminate each other. If somebody was being an idiot anyway and using derogatory slurs they'd get banned off the forum for breaking the guidelines.
2. What if my name was David Lynch? Is my name banned?
Yep, I think reasonable people can understand context and nuance, including in humor and in the game context.
OTOH, if there are many people against it on a particular forum, I see it being a decision to more easily moderate: if the topic doesn't come up, you don't have to spend time figuring out whether someone's a racist PoS or not.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 05, 2021, 04:26:14 pm
Post by: notquitethere on February 05, 2021, 04:29:50 pm
It's perhaps an appropriate word for anti-werewolf medieval styled games, but not all games.
Thinking about it, there are other words we wouldn't use in flavour for somilar reasons.
I agree changing the word also has this cumbersome knock on effect on other words we use and indeed I've continued to use it on the forum.
Post by: webadict on February 05, 2021, 04:35:13 pm
Maybe I'll replace lynch with defenestrate. It's a better word, and something a mob could easily perform.
Post by: Toaster on February 05, 2021, 04:41:48 pm
The specific word isn't that big a deal, as long as it's clearly separate from "kill" in terms of the mechanic. The side lingo that uses it is the biggest casualty, but that'd evolve over time. I see no issue with phasing it out as a courtesy.
Post by: webadict on February 05, 2021, 04:51:30 pm
YEET OR LOSE is so close to YOLO that it becomes tempting to use indeed.Dang it. On the one hand, that's hilarious.
On the other hand, no.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2021, 04:55:26 pm
Doesn't mean we have to stop using LYLO or whatnot, though.
notquitethere: Any chance of an ending to Puzzle Temple Panic?
Additionally, one more thing I'd like to point out is that I've... almost never actually been town in the mafia games I've played. Looking at the wuba games? Mafia, outsider, mafia. I think I was a traitor in Puzzle Temple Panic. I played in Bring Your Own Song - I was mafia. The only time I can actually remember being town was in that C9++ or whatever it was setup, where I was a town tracker. The rest of the time? Scum and villainy.
Clone Lord mafia? I was the Clone Lord cult leader. Sequel to that game? Mafia.
Tomasque's Exquisite Cops and Robbers? Evil role - True Name Eater.
Why am I never town, damn you all.
(Apparently I was town in Mind Reading Mafia, but I didn't even remember playing that one until I dug into my old PMs)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 05, 2021, 04:57:12 pm
That's actually all good points. For me, it seemed to be about differentiating between players eliminated by voting versus eliminated by player actions. Lynch vs. kill. But, lynch does have a negative connotation to it...
Maybe I'll replace lynch with defenestrate. It's a better word, and something a mob could easily perform.
I'm now imaging a Defenestration Mafia set-up. Maybe set at the top of a sky scraper that's blocked off for some reason.
I bet I could rig a Paranormal for that flavor somehow...
Post by: heydude6 on February 05, 2021, 05:18:25 pm
Mafia is a game that's meant to expose the vulnerability of uncoordinated groups to bad actors. It's meant to make you uncomfortable since you're supposed to connect the tactics used in the game to tactics used in the real world. Such as when oil companies fund climate-denial propaganda. Their goal isn't to convince everyone that global-warming doesn't exist, their goal is simply to sow enough confusion to slow progress on the transition to renewable resources. If the group never unites behind a cause, then the oil companies win.
As for the term lynch itself, the lynches in mafia were never racially motivated. The term was chosen because that's how mobs tend to deal with their problems. All sorts of people would get lynched. Whether it be alleged witches, opposing families in a blood feud, or even suspected criminals. Lynching is just what happens when a mob is convinced that someone is guilty, and they decide to bypass legitimate authorities.
It's meant to be ugly. The connotation is supposed to be negative. Just like in real life, people in mafia are executed based on relatively flimsy evidence. Lots of innocent people got lynched. There were probably more mislynches in real life than there are in the sum total of all mafia games. What you're doing by censoring the term is denying the inherent brutality of the concept and erasing some of the social commentary of the game. Can you imagine making a World War 2 film where the nazi's didn't act like... well Nazis, because you were afraid of offending the Jewish audience? Because that's what you're proposing to do here.
What I'm seeing here is a well-intentioned, but misguided attempt by white people to be more racially sensitive. I know you're trying, but a lot of these efforts end up backfiring and hurting the minority even more. You should always tread carefully when making an assumption about what's good for a minority without consulting them yourself.
Post by: Caz on February 05, 2021, 05:39:39 pm
Post by: notquitethere on February 05, 2021, 05:59:59 pm
notquitethere: Any chance of an ending to Puzzle Temple Panic?Very long overdue, for which I can only apologise, but here we go. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158686.msg8244998#msg8244998) I have ended Puzzle Temple Mafia (after four and a half year long night). Congrats, you won!
Post by: webadict on February 05, 2021, 06:07:17 pm
I dunno, it seems like a win-win to me. I like it.
Post by: Vector on February 05, 2021, 06:11:28 pm
Been stalking MU games or just generally aware of the larger mafia community zeitgeist?
Just started reading some stuff on MU.
It's perhaps an appropriate word for anti-werewolf medieval styled games, but not all games.
Yeah, Ex Cathedra was a . . . very . . . very . . . very violently flavored game.
This is a pretty great post.
Post by: heydude6 on February 05, 2021, 06:23:31 pm
I think when it's a "witch/werewolf"-style game, hanging/lynching is literally the action. When it's a different setting, probably best to stick with the setting.
This is a compromise I can agree with.
Post by: Vector on February 05, 2021, 06:35:40 pm
I don't see the point in removing the violent words from mafia. Whether it's 'lynching' or 'telling the character to go home' and 'killing' or 'removing from the game' doesn't really matter except to make the flavour more boring. Is there anyone actually offended by the violent words used in mafia??? You'd think people would have better things to complain about.
To be clear, I have a friend whose girlfriend is a Black woman, and she (the girlfriend) started having nightmares about being lynched after last summer. This woman is not a delicate snowflake, heh. So I started thinking about that in the context of this game.
I don't know that anyone is actually concretely offended by the violent terms used in Mafia (no one's actually made a request here to change them), but I've been thinking about it because I was worried it was something where we were possibly losing players over simple word choice.
Like, uh . . . ok, if the verb was "gang-rape," I would not be playing this game with you guys. Even if Mafia is awesome and my favorite thing forever and ever goodbye. There are some terms of violence to which people have really visceral reactions, not because of the intrinsic violence, but because of the "vector" of the violence.
Anyway . . . we've probably more or less exhausted this topic. I feel like I'm talking in circles. Sorry guys.
I think when it's a "witch/werewolf"-style game, hanging/lynching is literally the action. When it's a different setting, probably best to stick with the setting.
This is a compromise I can agree with.
Cool, this sounds plenty reasonable to me. If we get other feedback then we can discuss at that time, but it seems like a good way to make more space for discussion while not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Post by: Persus13 on February 06, 2021, 07:03:01 pm
I don't see the point in removing the violent words from mafia. Whether it's 'lynching' or 'telling the character to go home' and 'killing' or 'removing from the game' doesn't really matter except to make the flavour more boring. Is there anyone actually offended by the violent words used in mafia??? You'd think people would have better things to complain about.With lynching, the issue is less that its a violent term, and more the implication that the use of it is a good, albeit crude solution to a problem. And for people who may have in the past been considered a "problem" that needed a crude solution, that can be an issue.
Post by: Mephansteras on February 07, 2021, 12:56:33 am
I don't see the point in removing the violent words from mafia. Whether it's 'lynching' or 'telling the character to go home' and 'killing' or 'removing from the game' doesn't really matter except to make the flavour more boring. Is there anyone actually offended by the violent words used in mafia??? You'd think people would have better things to complain about.
Oh, right, you're Scottish, aren't you?
It's more of an American thing. Lynching in the US has a long history of being done specifically against black people, especially by racist mobs. So it has very racist overtones to an American audience that it probably doesn't to anyone else.
I agree that if it's not specifically bothering anyone here I don't see a reason to avoid it outright. But being sensitive to stuff like that can be useful. After all, we have no idea how many people might see the word and just nope out without ever telling us that they might have been interested otherwise.
Post by: Caz on February 07, 2021, 09:12:49 am
With lynching, the issue is less that its a violent term, and more the implication that the use of it is a good, albeit crude solution to a problem. And for people who may have in the past been considered a "problem" that needed a crude solution, that can be an issue.
...Isn't it? Without lynching, town has no weapon basically.
I don't see the point in removing the violent words from mafia. Whether it's 'lynching' or 'telling the character to go home' and 'killing' or 'removing from the game' doesn't really matter except to make the flavour more boring. Is there anyone actually offended by the violent words used in mafia??? You'd think people would have better things to complain about.
Oh, right, you're Scottish, aren't you?
It's more of an American thing. Lynching in the US has a long history of being done specifically against black people, especially by racist mobs. So it has very racist overtones to an American audience that it probably doesn't to anyone else.
I agree that if it's not specifically bothering anyone here I don't see a reason to avoid it outright. But being sensitive to stuff like that can be useful. After all, we have no idea how many people might see the word and just nope out without ever telling us that they might have been interested otherwise.
Huh, thanks for the context. I guess we can changing lynching to banishing instead if it's really upsetting people.
Post by: Persus13 on February 07, 2021, 11:47:19 am
It absolutely is a good thing, in the game. Its the main tool the "normal/good" faction has. But when lynching in real life has connotations with being a racist weapon against black people, as Meph explained, that can be a barrier of entry for folks who primarily associate it with that.With lynching, the issue is less that its a violent term, and more the implication that the use of it is a good, albeit crude solution to a problem. And for people who may have in the past been considered a "problem" that needed a crude solution, that can be an issue.
...Isn't it? Without lynching, town has no weapon basically.
Post by: Caz on February 07, 2021, 12:09:24 pm
It absolutely is a good thing, in the game. Its the main tool the "normal/good" faction has. But when lynching in real life has connotations with being a racist weapon against black people, as Meph explained, that can be a barrier of entry for folks who primarily associate it with that.With lynching, the issue is less that its a violent term, and more the implication that the use of it is a good, albeit crude solution to a problem. And for people who may have in the past been considered a "problem" that needed a crude solution, that can be an issue.
...Isn't it? Without lynching, town has no weapon basically.
Come on, anyone who thinks executing people in real life is a moron. I don't think changing a word in a game will fix that.
Post by: Mephansteras on February 07, 2021, 01:40:06 pm
I don't think we need to ban the word or anything. But it makes sense to at least be cognizant of potential issues with it.
Post by: Persus13 on February 07, 2021, 02:02:39 pm
Post by: Secretdorf on February 08, 2021, 08:22:38 am
Post by: Caz on February 08, 2021, 08:35:43 am
The world's population is increasing, why isn't number of players on this subforum? Also, why has it decreased in the last decade?
Why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near?
Post by: Secretdorf on February 08, 2021, 08:44:17 am
Which birds?The world's population is increasing, why isn't number of players on this subforum? Also, why has it decreased in the last decade?
Why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near?
Post by: notquitethere on February 08, 2021, 08:44:44 am
Where the game is silo'd off into its own sub-board, it only gets new players if they happen to stumble in somehow, or if games are promoted outside the board.
Appropriately enough, it appears that a variant of mafia is being played on the main games board (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178056.msg0;topicseen#new). I'd be tempted to sign up if I wasn't already busy enough as it was.
Post by: Vector on February 08, 2021, 12:59:56 pm
Appropriately enough, it appears that a variant of mafia is being played on the main games board (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178056.msg0;topicseen#new). I'd be tempted to sign up if I wasn't already busy enough as it was.
Maybe we should let them know that we are here?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 08, 2021, 01:02:00 pm
Secretdorf already did.Appropriately enough, it appears that a variant of mafia is being played on the main games board (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178056.msg0;topicseen#new). I'd be tempted to sign up if I wasn't already busy enough as it was.
Maybe we should let them know that we are here?
Post by: Ddynamo on February 08, 2021, 01:29:26 pm
Do you guys think it would fit better here than on the main board? I know it's deduction in that it's advantageous to keep your role secret, but the lack of teams throws me off. It's a game played on the Town of Salem forums and they had a dedicated subforum for mafia too, but this was on the main forum game board rather than mafia board there too. They're more strict about what they have on the mafia board, though.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 08, 2021, 01:32:26 pm
Hey, it's me, the host of that game you're talking about.Either or, really. For a game the size of what you're going for though... honestly, it'll probably fill better if you keep it in FG/RP. There aren't enough mafia players to fill that game and we're more likely to find mafia-like games in FG than FG types are to find semi-mafia games hosted here.
Do you guys think it would fit better here than on the main board? I know it's deduction in that it's advantageous to keep your role secret, but the lack of teams throws me off. It's a game played on the Town of Salem forums and they had a dedicated subforum for mafia too, but this was on the main forum game board rather than mafia board there too. They're more strict about what they have on the mafia board, though.
Post by: Ddynamo on February 08, 2021, 01:36:51 pm
Gotcha.Hey, it's me, the host of that game you're talking about.Either or, really. For a game the size of what you're going for though... honestly, it'll probably fill better if you keep it in FG/RP. There aren't enough mafia players to fill that game and we're more likely to find mafia-like games in FG than FG types are to find semi-mafia games hosted here.
Do you guys think it would fit better here than on the main board? I know it's deduction in that it's advantageous to keep your role secret, but the lack of teams throws me off. It's a game played on the Town of Salem forums and they had a dedicated subforum for mafia too, but this was on the main forum game board rather than mafia board there too. They're more strict about what they have on the mafia board, though.
Post by: webadict on February 08, 2021, 01:37:53 pm
It can fit here, but, as it's a big game, 4mask is right in that you probably won't find enough players (and we tend to space our big games out with a queue system). Our definition of Mafia is very, very flexible, though.
Post by: ToonyMan on February 08, 2021, 01:38:14 pm
Hey, it's me, the host of that game you're talking about.There's no mafia team, but you could definitely argue it's a mafia variant.
Do you guys think it would fit better here than on the main board? I know it's deduction in that it's advantageous to keep your role secret, but the lack of teams throws me off. It's a game played on the Town of Salem forums and they had a dedicated subforum for mafia too, but this was on the main forum game board rather than mafia board there too. They're more strict about what they have on the mafia board, though.
It's unlikely you would get 16 players to signup from just this subboard right now so I think either place works.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 08, 2021, 01:39:37 pm
Post by: Vector on February 08, 2021, 01:57:21 pm
Gotcha.
But if you wanna link to us after your game finishes running, we wouldn't mind!! let's mafia
Post by: Ddynamo on February 08, 2021, 07:36:19 pm
Basically, the town wincon is that every member of the town must die and the mafia wincon is that every member of the mafia must die. Standard rules otherwise. No special roles, five town, two mafia, mafia are given a private chat, etc.
I find the idea hilarious.
EDIT: Thinking about it, this couldn't work if mafia know who each other are because once the mafia have parity with the town they can't be beat.
Post by: notquitethere on February 08, 2021, 07:40:55 pm
A really weird idea I had was a game of mafia with inverse wincons.I think that might work. You'd need everyone to co-operate on lynching the most "town" players. Mafia would have an edge as they could bus each other, but then they might struggle when there's only one of them left alive. I'd play it.
Basically, the town wincon is that every member of the town must die and the mafia wincon is that every member of the mafia must die. Standard rules otherwise. No special roles, five town, two mafia, mafia are given a private chat, etc.
I find the idea hilarious.
Post by: heydude6 on February 08, 2021, 07:46:22 pm
Post by: notquitethere on February 08, 2021, 07:51:01 pm
What if you have a two mafia, one town situation? Mafia would never vote to lynch town then. You could of course make it so that only a certain amount of town need to die of course.Same as in normal mafia: mafia win. They bus each other, leaving x1 town and mafia. There's no night kill, and so mafia win if there's a draw at the end.
edit: I see the problem now. How could town ever kill all of themselves? Easy: give the town a night kill. Every town player is a vig, but only one shot works each night.
Post by: Vector on February 08, 2021, 07:53:50 pm
Post by: Ddynamo on February 08, 2021, 07:58:42 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 08, 2021, 08:01:31 pm
Post by: Ddynamo on February 08, 2021, 08:06:26 pm
Vote for Town Mafia (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vote_for_Town_Mafia)Well that works.
Post by: notquitethere on February 12, 2021, 02:31:56 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 12, 2021, 03:16:49 pm
Here's the previous version, which sort-of worked, but is actually pretty unmaintainable: https://github.com/open-mafia/open_mafia_engine (https://github.com/open-mafia/open_mafia_engine)
Does anyone have anything in particular they would like to see?
Right now I'm mostly interested in making a Bay12-compatible "bot" that can auto-run phases, parse votes and actions. Then building on that to actually interpret the actions.
I'm unsure how to collect actions, actually - PMs are difficult, while making QuickTopic chats for single players seems overkill...
Mephansteras, would there be there any "safe" way for me to do testing without spamming the Mafia subforum? And without having to run a Simple Machines Forum myself... :P
Post by: Mephansteras on February 12, 2021, 03:20:42 pm
Though I can merge threads, so as long as you give me advance warning of a test you could run stuff and then I can shove them all into a single testing thread.
You can also check with Webadict to see how he's been doing his bot stuff. He seems to have been able to keep that pretty under control.
You can also check with Toady, he might have more specific ideas.
Post by: heydude6 on February 12, 2021, 03:43:35 pm
Web's kind of beat you to the punch at that. He's been working on his own mafia-bot (Mafia Moderation Bot) for months now and it's already capable of doing nifty things like vote counts. At this point, I think it makes more sense to coordinate your efforts rather than start your own bot from scratch.
You're gonna have to ask Webadict how he feels about that though.
Post by: webadict on February 12, 2021, 03:59:05 pm
Okay, I've had enough machine-learning side projects, and now I want to write a Mafia game engine (for the 3rd time... :P).Ehh, I trust TolyK with the code, but my code is wicked jank, yo.
Here's the previous version, which sort-of worked, but is actually pretty unmaintainable: https://github.com/open-mafia/open_mafia_engine (https://github.com/open-mafia/open_mafia_engine)
Does anyone have anything in particular they would like to see?
Right now I'm mostly interested in making a Bay12-compatible "bot" that can auto-run phases, parse votes and actions. Then building on that to actually interpret the actions.
I'm unsure how to collect actions, actually - PMs are difficult, while making QuickTopic chats for single players seems overkill...
Mephansteras, would there be there any "safe" way for me to do testing without spamming the Mafia subforum? And without having to run a Simple Machines Forum myself... :P
It's in python, too. But, I can give you a copy of the code, or link to my private repo if you want. I could also write some actual comments before that, too. Also, I have to remove my config file from there and rebase without that security hole... >.>
Currently, Mamobo can read PMs, threads, and do a lot of standard moderation by basically connecting through a headless browser, so it's definitely not super efficient, but it was okayed by Toady. I am adding features slowly and steadily, but if you'd like to help, I'm all for it. Otherwise, I have some helpful information for how you'd do all of that if you want your own project.
Post by: TolyK on February 12, 2021, 04:34:27 pm
Post by: notquitethere on February 14, 2021, 09:48:54 am
Post by: notquitethere on February 17, 2021, 11:40:18 am
Post by: Superdorf on February 18, 2021, 09:55:46 pm
Quote
the tasting of mind-flesh
Post by: notquitethere on February 22, 2021, 08:48:04 am
(https://i.imgur.com/CVIFgNa.png)
Post by: ToonyMan on February 22, 2021, 09:21:34 am
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Post by: notquitethere on February 22, 2021, 09:45:14 am
Post by: Mephansteras on February 22, 2021, 07:23:10 pm
Last call for sign-ups for Supernatural 10 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178146.0). I'll be closing it in around 40 min.
Post by: ToonyMan on February 25, 2021, 04:44:02 pm
More news:Gnosia came out on Vita in 2019 and got a Switch port earlier this year. It's only in Japanese but I definitely want to try when it eventually gets translated......
*One week later*
https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1338903062690353156
I swear I'm not psychic. I'll post my thoughts about it once I get my hands on it next year.
The Nintendo eShop has a release date for Gnosia up. (https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/gnosia-switch/) March 4th, 2021.
I definitely want to share my thoughts after trying it.
The Gnosia lie. Pretending to be human, they’ll get in close, trick and deceive, and then eliminate one victim at a time...
Post by: Superdorf on February 25, 2021, 04:46:00 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on February 25, 2021, 04:47:38 pm
Ooh, cryogenic stasis as a reflavoring of the lynch mechanic. I like that.Just stealing more quotes from the eShop page:
"Gnosia is a Sci-Fi Social Deduction RPG in which you will engage in discussion with a variety of unique characters, with the aim of identifying the Gnosia among the group. Players will have to use what information they can gather during the discussions to ascertain whom they think is Gnosia and then vote to put them into cold sleep. As you progress, your abilities will improve - but so will those of the crew."
I want. We need more deduction games like Ace Attorney, Dangan Ronpa, Your Turn To Die, etc...
Post by: Caz on February 25, 2021, 05:11:26 pm
Ooh, cryogenic stasis as a reflavoring of the lynch mechanic. I like that.Just stealing more quotes from the eShop page:
"Gnosia is a Sci-Fi Social Deduction RPG in which you will engage in discussion with a variety of unique characters, with the aim of identifying the Gnosia among the group. Players will have to use what information they can gather during the discussions to ascertain whom they think is Gnosia and then vote to put them into cold sleep. As you progress, your abilities will improve - but so will those of the crew."
I want. We need more deduction games like Ace Attorney, Dangan Ronpa, Your Turn To Die, etc...
Zero Escape is kind a bit similar to a mafia game. It's mostly puzzles and mind fuckery though.
Post by: ToonyMan on February 25, 2021, 05:44:54 pm
Zero Escape is kind a bit similar to a mafia game. It's mostly puzzles and mind fuckery though.Gameplay-wise all the games are pretty fun to solve. Story-wise I don't really like anything past 999.
Overall, I like 999 and VLR although the end of VLR is dumb.
ZTD was so bad and I thought AI: The Somnium Files was pretty mediocre. I feel like Uchikoshi was a one-hit wonder with 999.
Post by: Caz on February 25, 2021, 05:53:47 pm
I liked VLR more than 999 tbh, 999 had only a couple of plot twists but with VLR I felt as if I'd been playing that game for WEEKS and more storyline just kept opening up.
Post by: ToonyMan on February 25, 2021, 05:57:17 pm
Post by: webadict on February 25, 2021, 07:28:17 pm
999 is 10 times better than ZTD.
Virtue's Last Reward was such a good game. It had the best characters, the best plot, and the best reveals. 999 was pretty decent, but it just needed the fleshing out that VLR got, and as a start to the series, it was good.
Zero Time Dilemma fell back on nostalgia to make its story work and the new characters that ZTD added were incomplete. It felt like all the good writers they had for VLR left a bunch of notes, and then they hired someone to Cliff Notes them all and they turned the Cliff Notes version of that into the story. It was mediocre overall, and while there were parts that were decent, it felt like it really had no idea what to do with Junpei and Akane. Carlos was a bad character. I can't even remember the names of the people on Q team because the part is spoiler related. Phi would've been the best character still... if...
SPOILERS FOR VIRTUE'S LAST REWARD AND ZERO TIME DILEMMA AND 999. JUST DON'T OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED ALL THREE AND WANT TO.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So, while ZTD was mediocre, because it was so mediocre, it ended up being awful and basically an unplayable mess. Don't play it. If you absolutely truly want to play it, try to get it for $5 or less, because anything more than that is a waste.
Post by: ToonyMan on February 25, 2021, 08:00:53 pm
SPOILERS FOR VIRTUE'S LAST REWARD AND ZERO TIME DILEMMA AND 999. JUST DON'T OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED ALL THREE AND WANT TO.(https://i.imgur.com/xjrfmDz.gif)
Post by: Mephansteras on March 02, 2021, 02:17:05 pm
Post by: Caz on March 02, 2021, 02:44:19 pm
Post by: heydude6 on March 02, 2021, 03:03:45 pm
Post by: Caz on March 02, 2021, 03:41:25 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on March 02, 2021, 04:25:00 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 04, 2021, 07:58:04 pm
Very cool so far.
Post by: Vector on March 04, 2021, 08:04:07 pm
I just started the first Danganronpa. Just started as in ... just finished the prologue!
Post by: webadict on March 04, 2021, 08:22:57 pm
Post by: heydude6 on March 04, 2021, 08:43:24 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 04, 2021, 09:08:48 pm
Veckle wishes to play >:VDangit Ron Paul is pretty good. I actually like recommending DR as a first time VN to people since it tricks them into playing one.
I just started the first Danganronpa. Just started as in ... just finished the prologue!
It looks interesting, but I don't own a Switch and I refuse to get one.If you know Japanese it's also on the Vita.
Otherwise yeah a PC port would be cool. Right now it's Switch exclusive here.
Wait, is this game single-player or multiplayer? The character interactions give me single-player vibes, but the fact that there are multiple rounds with different possible outcomes give me multiplayer ones.Gnosia is just single player. A loop takes like 20 minutes to finish generally (so far).
It's not exactly like Raging Loop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raging_Loop) which is full visual novel with a much slower pace and no real gameplay elements.
The way the story develops in Gnosia reminds me of Sting's Baroque (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_(video_game)), if that comparison doesn't make any sense then a more recent example would be Hades (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades_(video_game)). You learn more stuff as you keep doing loops and playing games, the players' roles change, players get added, players get removed. It's like reading a VN except you're constantly trying to suss out mafia so you can win and get more story (or if you're gnosia to trick and kill everyone).
Mafia but roguelike?
Post by: notquitethere on March 05, 2021, 12:37:39 pm
Neat! Also, Bwahahahah, I can reply to this without breaking the post #!
Post by: notquitethere on March 06, 2021, 01:11:58 pm
Here's a question All-- would there be interest in playing a Resistance/Avalon type game? You know, a hidden role game where you vote to send people on missions that either pass or fail instead of just eliminating one another?
We did a variant of this some years back, GlyphGryph ran a game called Worse Things Happen At Sea (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134140.0). I seem to recall it was a fun challenge.
Post by: heydude6 on March 06, 2021, 01:14:11 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on March 06, 2021, 01:17:56 pm
Not saying you shouldn't run it yourself, of course. Just that I may also do something like that in the future.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 06, 2021, 01:22:08 pm
Ahaha that's perfect use of post editing powers.
Here's a question All-- would there be interest in playing a Resistance/Avalon type game? You know, a hidden role game where you vote to send people on missions that either pass or fail instead of just eliminating one another?
We did a variant of this some years back, GlyphGryph ran a game called Worse Things Happen At Sea (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134140.0). I seem to recall it was a fun challenge.
GlyphGryph also ran Viva la Revolucion! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=122540.msg4005659#msg4005659) which was fun.
Post by: Caz on March 06, 2021, 03:16:21 pm
Ahaha that's perfect use of post editing powers.
Here's a question All-- would there be interest in playing a Resistance/Avalon type game? You know, a hidden role game where you vote to send people on missions that either pass or fail instead of just eliminating one another?
We did a variant of this some years back, GlyphGryph ran a game called Worse Things Happen At Sea (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134140.0). I seem to recall it was a fun challenge.
...I played this too? What the fu-
Post by: Leafsnail on March 06, 2021, 05:08:41 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 06, 2021, 05:23:24 pm
The Gnosia setup is interesting, I'd be curious how well it would work as a game with human players. The lack of roleflips means it's a lot more profitable for the mafia or mafia-ally to contest roleclaims.I could write down the setup. It's very similar to the Raging Loop setup so I could just rework that.
Post by: notquitethere on March 06, 2021, 07:49:58 pm
Still, its definitely the kind of set up I'd like to play in, so if you'd want to run it sometime Meph, please go ahead! I'm sure you'd do a great job figuring out a neat setting.
Post by: Skynet on March 07, 2021, 08:06:24 am
The Gnosia setup is interesting, I'd be curious how well it would work as a game with human players. The lack of roleflips means it's a lot more profitable for the mafia or mafia-ally to contest roleclaims.I could write down the setup. It's very similar to the Raging Loop setup so I could just rework that.
Yeah, I've been tempted to write down the setup as well (currently watching an LP of Gnosia). Gnosia is pretty similar to the Raging Loop setup you posted, though there's some interesting differences (no one can fake-claim Masons in Gnosia, the existence of the mafia-ally, and that strange third-party "Evil Survivor, Bulletproof To Mafia But Weak To Cops" role that I don't think I ever seen before in a Mafia game).
Post by: notquitethere on March 08, 2021, 11:44:12 am
(https://i.imgur.com/FpyVVXw.png)
Post by: Caz on March 08, 2021, 11:47:24 am
Post by: Reverie on March 10, 2021, 07:48:01 am
Post by: webadict on March 10, 2021, 08:45:42 am
I just got into Gnosia myself and it puts me on the fence about playing here for a while :pIdk if 4maskwolf is still running their game, but Magic Mafia MM is coming up soon. Would recommend.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 10, 2021, 08:46:20 am
Oh god right I should be setting that up.I just got into Gnosia myself and it puts me on the fence about playing here for a while :pIdk if 4maskwolf is still running their game, but Magic Mafia MM is coming up soon. Would recommend.
Magic Mafia can go first.
Post by: Reverie on March 10, 2021, 10:17:29 am
Post by: Mephansteras on March 10, 2021, 10:22:31 am
Post by: Reverie on March 10, 2021, 01:34:30 pm
Hey, Reverie, nice to see you!
Hey! I see that some of the old guard is back too, which is nice. A good mix of familiar and new faces ^^
Post by: Mephansteras on March 10, 2021, 01:37:46 pm
Post by: Skynet on March 10, 2021, 09:28:03 pm
I just saw one very interesting (and pretty awesome, IMHO) scene in Gnosia though that is pertinent to Mafia...some mild spoilers below.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ToonyMan on March 10, 2021, 09:45:34 pm
I saw that ending a few days ago, pretty WTF.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I think I'm almost done with Gnosia, it's hard to tell.
I enjoy the characters and setting, but the writing is very short and fast-paced compared to Raging Loop. I was hoping for at least a couple loops being somewhat longer (maybe like an hour or two to read?), but it turns into more of a "find every really weird circumstance that can happen". At least 80% of my playtime is grinding through loops now that I have the game's systems down pat. It is in fact too much repetition for new content by this point.
What they should have done is have a main Story Mode that's the bulk of the game, with scripted roles and events and a more slower paced setup. And then once you've finished the Story Mode you would unlock Endless Mode which would be what we have here with the crazy What If? scenarios and endings.
I still like the game, and it's fun to participate as an actual player, but the lack of long-term story means you need to add a lot of your own imagination to things.
Post by: Skynet on March 12, 2021, 08:46:32 am
The main problem with Gnosia is that its plot is entirely dependent on the loops (which is necessary, since it’s the only way to explain why you are are playing the same Mafia game over and over)...but any explanation of the loops is inevitably going to feel cheesy or silly, even if it is well-told. And yet you have to explain the loops since that’s the most interesting part of the game (scumhunting doesn’t sound so meaningful when you realize everything you do will be erased).
I think figuring out how to deal with these “loops” is essential for any future game that wants to be a Gnosia-like.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 12, 2021, 09:04:18 am
I recommend Raging Loop if you want to read something really similar but with a strong emphasis on storytelling instead. Some people contest the ending, but I think it's very cool.
Post by: heydude6 on March 12, 2021, 12:20:13 pm
Post by: Vector on March 17, 2021, 10:31:09 pm
Post by: webadict on March 17, 2021, 10:35:24 pm
Outer Wilds is also good, too, if you like the mystery aspect. It has the same problem, though, but it's a bit longer.
Post by: heydude6 on March 17, 2021, 10:55:19 pm
Post by: Tomasque on March 18, 2021, 12:37:51 pm
It's so good, but you should attempt to pace yourself because it's 8 hours long and once it's done, there is no replayability.There are two kinds of people. Those lucky enough to still have Obra Dinn ahead of them, and those unfortunates who have already finished it.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 18, 2021, 01:17:35 pm
Give me a murder mystery or death game and I'm there to see despair.
EDIT:
In September we got Paradise Killer (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1160220/Paradise_Killer/) which was...neat.
Post by: Vector on March 18, 2021, 01:40:39 pm
Post by: webadict on March 18, 2021, 02:39:10 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 18, 2021, 02:48:46 pm
Still haven't played it because I'm in the middle of Umineko, and I hate being in two big games at once.Mmm seacats, Umineko was my first VN on PC and I still love it. I didn't even know what Higurashi was because I was dumb, but thankfully I went back and read it afterwards.
Post by: Vector on March 18, 2021, 03:04:02 pm
Discord me when you start to Disco Web
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 18, 2021, 06:56:16 pm
Post by: Skynet on March 19, 2021, 01:05:40 pm
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Post by: heydude6 on March 19, 2021, 02:06:45 pm
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Overall, I like the idea and want to see how it plays out in an actual bastard game. The results may not be as impressive as the theory, but it would make a fun novelty for a one-off.
Post by: Tomasque on March 20, 2021, 07:00:35 am
Ya, wait for the expanded version that's about to come out anyway. But then DISCO ELYSIUM
March 30th, baby! 8) 8) 8)
Post by: Reverie on March 23, 2021, 12:03:31 pm
Post by: Superdorf on March 23, 2021, 12:23:27 pm
What is a CFD?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_fire_drill
Post by: notquitethere on March 23, 2021, 12:24:28 pm
Post by: Reverie on March 23, 2021, 12:30:21 pm
Post by: Reverie on March 23, 2021, 12:34:31 pm
Post by: Caz on March 26, 2021, 02:22:03 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 26, 2021, 02:24:34 pm
Post by: Caz on March 26, 2021, 02:46:45 pm
My mini setup Caves of Dashar is still in signups, if anyone wants to try a quick 72 hour, one phase long game.
Only if I get to be the one holding the ruby.
Post by: webadict on March 26, 2021, 09:24:49 pm
In other news, I’m going to read Supernatural 10. I want to see the heartbreak for myself.Speaking of Super10:
I never got a chance to point this out but:
should these affectations truly hit your heart (as I do so aim for them to),Affectation (noun): behavior, speech, or writing that is artificial and designed to impress.
I may have been messing with Vector on Day 1 :P
Post by: ToonyMan on March 26, 2021, 09:27:14 pm
Post by: heydude6 on March 26, 2021, 09:33:16 pm
Post by: Caz on March 26, 2021, 09:45:19 pm
Spoiler: ... (click to show/hide)
so it's a bit hard to figure out.
Post by: webadict on March 26, 2021, 11:00:19 pm
That's what I get for not reading any of the Webadict/Vector interactions on D1.I was hoping that anyone paying attention would assume I misspelled affections, beecause I only found out what it meant 5 minutes before that.
Thing is, Web pretends to be mafia just as much as he pretends to be town. I really wonder how much you're actually going to get from that...We all pretend to be something in game. It's just one of those ideas is more pretend than the other. ;)
Most of the time webadict is town pretending to be mafia pretending to be town pretending to be mafia pretending to be sk pretending to be...It's a double-edged sword. The better you get at looking Town, the better you need to be at being Town, though.. It sort of reinforces itself, too, I suppose.Spoiler: ... (click to show/hide)
so it's a bit hard to figure out.
Post by: Vector on March 26, 2021, 11:05:41 pm
Post by: webadict on March 26, 2021, 11:15:17 pm
Post by: Vector on March 26, 2021, 11:32:06 pm
Post by: notquitethere on April 05, 2021, 04:18:16 pm
Post by: Vector on April 05, 2021, 04:21:39 pm
From next Sunday I hope to run the Resistance/Avalon game Revolution III (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178334.0). It's a hidden role game like mafia. Slots open!
Probably just gotta wait for Election Day to wind down, and people to get a little break from the very intense MMMM.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2021, 09:23:52 am
Edit: What brought this on was looking at the playerlist of Operation Overlord and realizing that none of the 13 player playerlist or the two spoilspecs are still around.
Post by: notquitethere on April 06, 2021, 09:29:45 am
Hmm, I thought it's only popular in Russia. It's not well suited for forums, because you need to see and hear a person to properly guess their motives.
Web played in the first mafia game to actually finish (Pirate Mafia, Mafia #3 in December 2008).
Edit: What brought this on was looking at the playerlist of Operation Overlord and realizing that none of the 13 player playerlist or the two spoilspecs are still around.Caz played in that game? And Persus13 played a few games back.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2021, 09:34:45 am
There's some funny posts in the old games. This is from the very first mafia game on this forum:...Today we also learned I can't read.Hmm, I thought it's only popular in Russia. It's not well suited for forums, because you need to see and hear a person to properly guess their motives.
Web played in the first mafia game to actually finish (Pirate Mafia, Mafia #3 in December 2008).Edit: What brought this on was looking at the playerlist of Operation Overlord and realizing that none of the 13 player playerlist or the two spoilspecs are still around.Caz played in that game? And Persus13 played a few games back.
There's a lot of amazing quotes buried in the old games, yeah. I'm too lazy to go quote mining though.
Edit: Okay one single quote
I'm not evil. I'm just Bad. :P
Post by: webadict on April 06, 2021, 09:36:56 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 06, 2021, 09:40:48 am
Yaarrrr, 'tis true. I be old. I just like Mafiaing.Honestly even realizing I've been playing mafia for seven years makes me feel old.
And I'm not even that old!
Post by: ToonyMan on April 06, 2021, 09:50:42 am
Mafia got me through high school and my teenage years. I think it's one of the things that defines me as a person.Yaarrrr, 'tis true. I be old. I just like Mafiaing.Honestly even realizing I've been playing mafia for seven years makes me feel old.
And I'm not even that old!
There's some funny posts in the old games. This is from the very first mafia game on this forum:I love this quote.Hmm, I thought it's only popular in Russia. It's not well suited for forums, because you need to see and hear a person to properly guess their motives.
Post by: Vector on April 06, 2021, 11:08:19 am
He also introduced me to: drinking loose-leaf tea (and the very first time I had chai), falafel, homemade granola, action movies, science fiction books, math with proofs, 1st-person perspective computer games (e.g. Portal), Thai food, Chinese vegetarian cooking, and The New York Times. . . . Yep, I owe him a lot. I'm really glad I got to meet you guys.
Post by: notquitethere on April 06, 2021, 11:27:18 am
I... may join. Just to see what the hell is so great about these forum games.
I've been studying the rules of a few more popular mafias, but I haven't actually played one. I'd like to have a go, please.
Arr? I'll join if possible.
All right. Sign me up, please.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 06, 2021, 11:28:23 am
And we're very glad you got introduced to us, Vector. :)
Post by: notquitethere on April 06, 2021, 11:42:11 am
---
I've made a thread for archiving funny quotes and memes (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178351.0) from the subforum.
Post by: Persus13 on April 06, 2021, 11:52:33 am
Was I even in Operation Overlord? Also I'm sortof around but in a love-hate relationship with Mafia these days.Edit: What brought this on was looking at the playerlist of Operation Overlord and realizing that none of the 13 player playerlist or the two spoilspecs are still around.Caz played in that game? And Persus13 played a few games back.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 06, 2021, 11:53:51 am
I've made a thread for archiving funny quotes and memes (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178351.0) from the subforum.
Cool, I stickied it.
Post by: notquitethere on April 06, 2021, 12:08:19 pm
Was I even in Operation Overlord? Also I'm sortof around but in a love-hate relationship with Mafia these days.There's more not quite mafia about recently which could maybe interest you. There's the Revolution game in signups, but also there's a game of Coup in signups (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178345.0)on the main board. We played one night werewolf a month or so back as well. All alternative hidden role games.
Cool, I stickied it.Neat, thanks!
Post by: Persus13 on April 06, 2021, 12:11:11 pm
Post by: TolyK on April 07, 2021, 08:12:14 am
...
I joined bay12forums in 2010. In early 2011 I helped add a GUI to the Lazy Newb Pack, got into RtD and other forum games, ran a few admittedly awful ones...
First game was replacing into BM XIX (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74997.0). I did not enjoy rereading my posts all that much, though it's more coherent than I would have expected. The lack of proper capitalization and the lax spelling certainly didn't help ease my current cringing...
God, I would have so lynched TolyK at the end... pff. I wish I weren't so shocked =/
I saw it was lylo, popped in, saw TolyK's posts, and went... "SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM"I'd love to think that I've improved since then. :P
Because seriously, he was so scummy that it looked like actual strategy >_> <_<
Post by: Shakerag on April 07, 2021, 08:35:03 am
My main problem these days is time.
Mood.
Post by: Vector on April 07, 2021, 10:32:27 pm
Three cheers to the subforum! Long live the subforum!
Post by: Mephansteras on April 08, 2021, 12:15:36 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 08, 2021, 08:06:26 am
Post by: Caz on April 08, 2021, 09:23:20 am
"ooh a new mafia game opened up. look at the flavour. the possibilities! in."
early game: "arguing with people on the internet is the best. abilities pew pew"
(20-80 pages later): "...YOU GUYS ARE THE WORST. I AM NEVER PLAYING THIS STUPID GAME AGAIN :@"
2 days later: "ooh a new mafia game opened up. in."
Post by: TricMagic on April 08, 2021, 09:33:34 am
My attitude to forum mafia goes somewhat like this:Shiny!
"ooh a new mafia game opened up. look at the flavour. the possibilities! in."
early game: "arguing with people on the internet is the best. abilities pew pew"
(20-80 pages later): "...YOU GUYS ARE THE WORST. I AM NEVER PLAYING THIS STUPID GAME AGAIN :@"
2 days later: "ooh a new mafia game opened up. in."
Post by: Caz on April 08, 2021, 10:43:23 am
Shiny!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: EuchreJack on April 13, 2021, 12:08:57 pm
My attitude to forum mafia goes somewhat like this:
"ooh a new mafia game opened up. look at the flavour. the possibilities! in."
early game: "arguing with people on the internet is the best. abilities pew pew"
(20-80 pages later): "...YOU GUYS ARE THE WORST. I AM NEVER PLAYING THIS STUPID GAME AGAIN :@"
2 days later: "ooh a new mafia game opened up. in."
Better than:
"ooh a new mafia game opened up"
...
"oh, they started already, looks like fun, why didn't I sign up?"
Post by: webadict on April 13, 2021, 12:22:20 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on April 13, 2021, 12:28:24 pm
Post by: Caz on April 13, 2021, 01:56:50 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on April 13, 2021, 05:15:04 pm
We've been around for almost the same time (you've got a year on me), in fact we probably both remember when Mafia was in the Play with Your Buddies.
The avatar you see is from a Play with Your Buddies game when a little girl had a tin knight that protected her. The tin knight was named after me.
...or I could give you the standard answers: The Internet! Magic! Sentient AI experiment! Lost Avatar of the Forums! Webadict bot!
Post by: Tomasque on April 13, 2021, 06:45:47 pm
Post by: Caz on April 13, 2021, 10:11:21 pm
Born in the Curses Forum, spent some time in the DF main areas, lived a spell in Play with Your Buddies, migrated to Other Games, then followed Skynet's Terminator game here.
We've been around for almost the same time (you've got a year on me), in fact we probably both remember when Mafia was in the Play with Your Buddies.
The avatar you see is from a Play with Your Buddies game when a little girl had a tin knight that protected her. The tin knight was named after me.
...or I could give you the standard answers: The Internet! Magic! Sentient AI experiment! Lost Avatar of the Forums! Webadict bot!
So... scum right?
Is jk. Please rock this tiny community out of their safe space.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 13, 2021, 10:54:52 pm
Looks like another Webadict bot. These guys are getting better and better.
Oh, is there another game of Kill Webadict Now running? I guess I should update the games list. :P
Post by: webadict on April 13, 2021, 11:02:56 pm
Post by: TolyK on April 14, 2021, 03:26:52 am
Post by: EuchreJack on April 14, 2021, 04:52:20 am
Post by: notquitethere on April 19, 2021, 05:35:48 am
Post by: Mephansteras on April 22, 2021, 11:09:04 am
PM if you are interested.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 22, 2021, 11:41:22 am
On the topic of games though:
Amusingly, one day after finishing Case 3 of DGS2 on my 3DS, DGS1+2 were announced for an English release at the end of July. Capcom are going with the name The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles and it will be on most platforms. I swear this keeps happening to me where a big announcement happens whenever I do something.
If you care about Ace Attorney at all (like myself) this is very good news if you're interested in playing half of the 3DS library. The only AA game that hasn't been officially localized now is Investigations 2 on DS and it likely never will. The fan translation is excellent however.
In the meantime, while waiting for Great AA to come out, Nintendo are releasing remakes of Famicom Detective Club Parts 1 and 2 on the Switch in May. I've played Part 2 on SNES and it was very good so these are likely going to be worth playing as well if you're interested in point & click murder mysteries at all. I'm quite a fan and seek out translations when they happen such as Chunsoft's classic Portopia that really kicked off the genre in Japan.
Post by: notquitethere on April 23, 2021, 02:29:56 am
Like this neat alternative to a cop ability:
(Night) Divergent Branches [target]: You receive an alternate version of the next Day's starting post. This alternate version is what would be shown if your target chose not to act during this Night.Imagine that in a game with redirectors, blockers, doctors and killers.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 23, 2021, 09:50:49 am
It'd be an interesting psychic or magic role in a Paranormal/Supernatural.
Post by: notquitethere on April 23, 2021, 02:33:16 pm
Boom Urchin (town)
(Auto) Gunpowder Sense: You are always aware of what player has the Bomb item.
(1-Shot, Any) Remote Detonate: Untargeted ability. The Bomb item expends its single shot, and explodes, killing whatever player possesses it.
(Night) Flashbang Grenade [target]: You throw a lesser bomb, which has a 50% to randomize the target and a 50% chance to roleblock the target, one or the other.
(Night) Fence: sell any one item to a target of your choice. They gain the item and you gain enough money for a meal and a warm bed, making you untargetable for the phase.
(Day) Pickpocket: gain any items held by the target. They won't be informed of the absence unless they try to use the item.
The following items are owned by random players at the start of the game:
(Item) Handkerchief: As a night move you may give the handkerchief to any player. A player learns if they have been given a handkerchief.
(Item) Top Hat: The first time you are killed, your Top Hat is flattened instead. You may spend a night move unflattening it (unflattening is always processed after kills).
(Item) Snuff Box: As a day action you may take a pinch of snuff. If you own a handkerchief, this will give you an extra action in the following night phase. If you own no handkerchief, you will instead publicly sneeze.
(Item, 1-Shot, Auto) Bomb: This does nothing. For now.
(Mechanic) Items: Items are abilities which can be easily passed between players. Any player can transfer an Item they possess to another player once per Phase for free. Day Item transfers resolve immediately, Night Item transfers resolve at the end of the Night.
I can steal my bomb back and then fence it off for safety then bomb the fence to cover my tracks.
Post by: Skynet on April 24, 2021, 06:41:09 am
So, whose going to run a game with the Gacha roles (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178406.msg8270308#msg8270308)? Some of them are golden.
I might be interested in doing that in the future, but (in keeping with the Gacha theme) I would be randomly choosing the roles for Town, Mafia, and Third-Party. Thus, I would need to put a big disclaimer warning people that the game setup would be inherently unbalanced. Would that work?
Post by: TricMagic on April 24, 2021, 08:12:43 am
Post by: webadict on April 24, 2021, 08:44:55 am
Post by: EuchreJack on April 24, 2021, 10:40:24 pm
This group, I think, might just be capable of a Straight campaign, although I suspect it could devolve into a Zapfest. Maybe classic?
Post by: webadict on April 26, 2021, 07:56:59 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 26, 2021, 08:01:30 pm
sounds like good fun.
Post by: BluarianKnight on April 28, 2021, 11:02:06 am
Post by: notquitethere on April 28, 2021, 01:40:48 pm
Post by: webadict on April 28, 2021, 01:43:51 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 28, 2021, 02:21:52 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 28, 2021, 03:37:56 pm
Post by: webadict on April 28, 2021, 05:09:21 pm
D-discord?You, uh, don't have to talk or anything. It's just an alternative to IRC clients.
Post by: EuchreJack on April 28, 2021, 07:51:26 pm
Post by: webadict on April 28, 2021, 08:54:14 pm
No idea what you're talking about with Liar's Dice, but I'm getting into Discord so sounds fun.Liar's Dice is a game where each player rolls a collection of dice secretly. Play starts with players bidding on the number of faces (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) that are held by all players combined. A bid consists of a number of ranks, such as 1 3, 2 1s, or 6 3s. Bids with higher faces quantities always beat bids of lower quantities, and bids of higher rank beat bids of equal quantities of lower ranks. When the bidding player decides that the previous bid was too high (or, in the case where you're playing with dead-ons [Which you should always do], exactly correct), and challenges the bid. When a bid is challenged, all players reveal their dice and count the faces of the challenged bid. If the bid was greater than the number of faces, the challenged player loses a die. Otherwise, the challenger loses a die. In the case of a dead-on, the player claiming dead-on must be exactly correct or lose a die, and if the dead-on is correctly called, all other players lose a die. Play continues until only one player with dice remain.
The game is fairly complicated to explain, but very easy to understand. The most important rule to understand is the bidding:
1 1 (The bid that among all dice, there is at least 1 die with the 1 face showing) is the lowest bid. 1 6 (1 die with the 6 face showing) is lower than 2 1s (2 dice with the 1 face showing). It just builds from there: 1 1 < 1 2 < 1 3 < 1 4 < 1 5 < 1 6 < 2 1 < 2 2, etc.
Post by: Toaster on April 28, 2021, 09:41:10 pm
Yo, I built a Discord bot that hosts Liar's Dice, because whenever I make a bot, it's always Liar's Dice. Would anybody want to play some time?
Didn't you have an IRC bot that played this years ago?
Post by: webadict on April 28, 2021, 10:08:21 pm
I also programmed in the game No Thanks, and it's partially able to play Texas Hold'em.
Post by: Toaster on April 28, 2021, 11:19:43 pm
May I suggest Skull (http://www.nonsensicalgamers.com/skull-review/)? It's like Liar's Dice with cards, sort of.
Post by: webadict on April 29, 2021, 12:01:04 am
Right now, the display isn't the best, but it's better than nothing!
Post by: TolyK on April 29, 2021, 02:44:45 am
Post by: Skynet on April 29, 2021, 06:30:12 am
Hm, any interest in a game of Paranoia? Ran a few games back in the day. Could be done as a mafia game, a RTD, hybrid, or make up as I go along. Pretty much the only option I'm not considering is the using the actual rules, groan.I'm interested in it, but probably can't play just right now. Would definitely observe it.
This group, I think, might just be capable of a Straight campaign, although I suspect it could devolve into a Zapfest. Maybe classic?
The first Mafia game I played was hosted on a PARANOIA fan site, actually. The site has long since been dead though, sadly.
I don't recall what roles that game had, but it was a bit free-form. So you could do actions that make it seem you have a different role than what you actually had. As a Townie, I fake-claimed Internal Security to try to incriminate someone that I thought was Mafia. It was a rather terrible play, but the enemy was Mafia, so my action won the game for the Town.
I think another Mafia game was hosted on that site, which prevented that sort of shenanigans from taking place, so it was more of a conventional Mafia game with PARANOIA fluff. Mafia won that game.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 29, 2021, 06:37:13 pm
Post by: Superdorf on April 29, 2021, 07:04:12 pm
Is an unofficial catchall server for Bay12 forum games. Plenty of room there for mafia shenanigans, I figure!
Post by: webadict on April 29, 2021, 08:18:30 pm
Post by: webadict on April 29, 2021, 09:50:06 pm
Lots of good games. I'll host it tomorrow and Saturday, around 7 PM CDT, and hopefully we can play some Liar's Dice!
Post by: ToonyMan on April 29, 2021, 09:55:39 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shakerag on April 30, 2021, 08:39:41 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 30, 2021, 12:59:29 pm
Post by: webadict on April 30, 2021, 08:55:32 pm
It was a great test run.
Also, Shakerag sounds exactly like he sounds.
Post by: EuchreJack on May 01, 2021, 07:31:44 am
Post by: webadict on May 01, 2021, 07:36:49 am
Post by: Shakerag on May 01, 2021, 10:26:07 am
Also, Shakerag sounds exactly like he sounds.
I assume you will be thoroughly unsurprised with my picture as well.
Post by: EuchreJack on May 01, 2021, 02:53:51 pm
Hm, any interest in a game of Paranoia? Ran a few games back in the day. Could be done as a mafia game, a RTD, hybrid, or make up as I go along. Pretty much the only option I'm not considering is the using the actual rules, groan.I'm interested in it, but probably can't play just right now. Would definitely observe it.
This group, I think, might just be capable of a Straight campaign, although I suspect it could devolve into a Zapfest. Maybe classic?
The first Mafia game I played was hosted on a PARANOIA fan site, actually. The site has long since been dead though, sadly.
I don't recall what roles that game had, but it was a bit free-form. So you could do actions that make it seem you have a different role than what you actually had. As a Townie, I fake-claimed Internal Security to try to incriminate someone that I thought was Mafia. It was a rather terrible play, but the enemy was Mafia, so my action won the game for the Town.
I think another Mafia game was hosted on that site, which prevented that sort of shenanigans from taking place, so it was more of a conventional Mafia game with PARANOIA fluff. Mafia won that game.
Happen to remember the website? I tried hunting it down, but I forget what its called. I'd like to Wayback it, as I spent quite some time on it, even got a shout out in the Black Missions book. Went by Dirk on that website.
Now I'm wondering if I could somehow use Liar's Dice to run Paranoia...
Post by: EuchreJack on May 01, 2021, 03:05:42 pm
*CMT = Commie Mutant Traitor
Post by: Skynet on May 01, 2021, 03:13:43 pm
Happen to remember the website? I tried hunting it down, but I forget what its called. I'd like to Wayback it, as I spent quite some time on it, even got a shout out in the Black Missions book. Went by Dirk on that website.
Now I'm wondering if I could somehow use Liar's Dice to run Paranoia...
The site name was www.paranoia-live.net . archive.org has difficulty arching phpbb forums, so it's difficult to find forum posts, but it's possible. I wish you the best of luck.
I just PMed you a link to another archive that lasts from 2003 to 2006, but I suspect the Mafia games took place after 2006, so digging through archive.org might be your best bet.
Post by: EuchreJack on May 01, 2021, 03:22:51 pm
Post by: webadict on May 01, 2021, 07:06:35 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on May 01, 2021, 07:34:41 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on May 02, 2021, 09:02:33 am
Post by: webadict on May 02, 2021, 09:33:45 am
Any chance we'll be able to play 6 Nimmt! ?Any game is technically possible, but games with "secret actions" are tougher. They are a little less engaging because you need to do something hidden with the bot. It's not impossible. It's just less good.
Post by: EuchreJack on May 02, 2021, 09:36:41 am
Post by: Vector on May 02, 2021, 11:28:22 am
Any chance we'll be able to play 6 Nimmt! ?
I don't remember how to play this, but last time I did, I know I loved it ...
Post by: EuchreJack on May 02, 2021, 05:17:55 pm
Any chance we'll be able to play 6 Nimmt! ?
I don't remember how to play this, but last time I did, I know I loved it ...
I just read the wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_Nimmt!) that Toaster linked to in the discord. There are also rules so that all cards are dealt, to aid the card counters in the crowd.
Post by: Toaster on May 02, 2021, 05:57:45 pm
Post by: Shakerag on May 02, 2021, 06:26:01 pm
Here are the full rules. (https://world-of-board-games.com.sg/docs/6-Nimmt.pdf) It's also on Board Game Arena and assumedly Tabletop Simulator, if you have that.
I have tabletop sim if anyone throwing together games based on that.
Post by: Vector on May 02, 2021, 07:25:04 pm
Here are the full rules. (https://world-of-board-games.com.sg/docs/6-Nimmt.pdf) It's also on Board Game Arena and assumedly Tabletop Simulator, if you have that.
I have tabletop sim if anyone throwing together games based on that.
Me too.
Post by: webadict on May 02, 2021, 07:29:48 pm
Post by: BluarianKnight on May 05, 2021, 10:41:10 am
I also have Tabletop Simulator.I do too!
Post by: EuchreJack on May 05, 2021, 11:03:59 am
I also have Tabletop Simulator.I do too!
I don't!
Post by: ToonyMan on May 05, 2021, 11:11:17 am
Post by: notquitethere on May 05, 2021, 11:27:20 am
Post by: EuchreJack on May 05, 2021, 11:28:55 am
Hmm well, I passed all of my exams so I should get my first MS degree sometime this year. I think I'm officially done with schooling for the foreseeable future. No way I want to do more graduate school right now.
Congrats, and good call on retiring from schooling. When I finished my schooling, I knew I was DONE. Someone at that time suggested I go back for another year. My response was...not nice.
Nice one. I've just gone back to schooling after a long hiatus, starting a PhD last September.
Uh, good for you ninja-san. I'm guessing they've already got your money...
Post by: notquitethere on May 05, 2021, 11:47:57 am
I'm guessing they've already got your money...Fortunately they're paying me this time.
Post by: webadict on May 05, 2021, 12:04:32 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 05, 2021, 12:28:26 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on May 05, 2021, 12:58:04 pm
Post by: webadict on May 05, 2021, 01:03:32 pm
Post by: Mamobo on May 05, 2021, 01:03:49 pm
Post by: Skynet on May 05, 2021, 01:21:22 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 05, 2021, 02:04:34 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on May 05, 2021, 02:15:35 pm
Post by: webadict on May 05, 2021, 05:17:31 pm
Post by: Toaster on May 05, 2021, 11:11:16 pm
Hmm well, I passed all of my exams so I should get my first MS degree sometime this year. I think I'm officially done with schooling for the foreseeable future. No way I want to do more graduate school right now.
Congrats! Now you can no longer play the midterms card!
Computer Science is what I'm getting my degree in this time too. I don't feel I know masses about the subject as a whole but I know loads about one tiny bit of it.
I got my degree in CS. I went into IT and am now in networking, so I'm not using it much at all now.
...except now there's a lot of automation happening in the field now that uses Python so I guess I need to get off my butt and learn it at some point.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 06, 2021, 12:08:59 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 06, 2021, 01:43:07 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 06, 2021, 01:48:59 am
Post by: notquitethere on May 06, 2021, 03:09:17 am
I actually started learning python but the only project I've used it for was a Discord chat bot (to come full circle on this).
Post by: TolyK on May 06, 2021, 07:34:55 am
We should each program a bot and have the bots play against each other in a game of mafia.
YES.
Fuck.
I am so pissed that it's taking forever to move.
However, I got sick, so that means I have time off work...
Post by: Shakerag on May 06, 2021, 08:39:59 am
The mafia subforums have a population of literally 90% CS majors or formerly CS majors, huh? (It's not like I'm outside that category)
Master's degree in CS here, yup.
Also, I can't remember if I mentioned this but apparently we just got the ability to run python on our mainframe. I might have to look into it now.
Post by: webadict on May 06, 2021, 09:07:06 am
See, this is actually very doable:
We choose a few different open setups, and work from there. The bots do all the logic of trying to find the Mafiabots, and we can test to see how it works. For good measure, program several styles of default bots, like random, tunneler, busser, bandwagoner.
By limiting the phrases, they can more easily interact, and the open setup lets them understand roles and how to utilize them.
Doable.
Post by: Persus13 on May 06, 2021, 09:22:32 am
I imagine its not just Mafia, but also this being bay12 being responsible for the preponderance of CS majors.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 06, 2021, 09:59:55 am
And, yeah, I'd be down.
Post by: webadict on May 06, 2021, 10:11:47 am
Post by: Tomasque on May 06, 2021, 11:42:12 am
We should each program a bot and have the bots play against each other in a game of mafia.That sounds super awesome.
Where do you guys think we'd run it? I imagine it should be somewhere that lets bots post really fast so that games can finish quickly. Bay12 and Quicktopic both have an anti-spam feature, though.
Post by: webadict on May 06, 2021, 11:48:37 am
Post by: notquitethere on May 06, 2021, 12:32:12 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on May 06, 2021, 12:58:56 pm
Post by: Vector on May 06, 2021, 01:15:17 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on May 06, 2021, 01:57:41 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 06, 2021, 02:50:55 pm
Post by: Shakerag on May 06, 2021, 06:18:59 pm
This is a good tutorial for getting started with Discord bots. (https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/create-a-discord-bot-with-python/)
Damn, more Python. Now I really need to learn it.
Post by: webadict on May 06, 2021, 07:28:08 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
An agreement on what's allowed to be said would make this easier to make a bot, since we wouldn't need to build some type of understanding algorithm, and can instead understand select phrases.
Post by: Toaster on May 06, 2021, 09:33:58 pm
Player[1].Suspicion == 100;
vote(Player[1]);
}
Post by: EuchreJack on May 06, 2021, 09:50:03 pm
Alright, if I were to make this, I'd actually use a lot of how Gnosia kinda works.
Considering that Gnosia is basically AI playing mafia, I'd hope so. :P
Post by: Vector on May 06, 2021, 09:56:17 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on May 06, 2021, 09:58:13 pm
Post by: webadict on May 08, 2021, 09:14:02 am
Post by: notquitethere on May 08, 2021, 03:17:26 pm
Alright, if I were to make this, I'd actually use a lot of how Gnosia kinda works. Essentially, phrases are chosen each round, and players respond to these phrases. This repeats for a certain number of rounds, and then each player votes simultaneously. As for ideas, these are some pretty simple inclusions:Yes I think this is a good idea, though of course the bots can additionally say other stuff (so they're more characterful), so long as they embed the relevant phrases in what they're saying.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
An agreement on what's allowed to be said would make this easier to make a bot, since we wouldn't need to build some type of understanding algorithm, and can instead understand select phrases.
Post by: webadict on May 08, 2021, 04:13:36 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 08, 2021, 05:29:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/edmPNi6.png)
Post by: Mephansteras on May 08, 2021, 07:46:41 pm
Post by: TolyK on May 09, 2021, 10:30:52 am
If you guys want to host "common" things (such as the game definitions), or even your specific bots, feel free to do it there - I can set up the repos, add folks to the organization, etc.
I'm already developing my mafia engine there, and thankfully I've FINALLY got time to get back at it.
Of course, I assume this bot mafia project would be separate, at least until there's maturity from at least one side. :P
If we wanted something like that, we could start each phrase with an identifier code, and then write out a colorful version of that, i.e. "B101: I respectfully disagree" where phrases B101 correlates to Response Suspicions - I disagree.
I like this a lot. Have machine-readable text codes, then human-readable template text you can modify as you wish.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 09, 2021, 11:25:29 am
And Web's tags idea is also good. Gives us flexibility for making things interested for humans while keeping it simple to code.
Post by: notquitethere on May 09, 2021, 01:08:41 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/dY5mXYv.png)
Post by: TolyK on May 11, 2021, 05:10:20 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 11, 2021, 05:56:32 pm
Post by: webadict on May 11, 2021, 06:07:49 pm
Go on....Alright, so it involves murder...
Post by: Vector on May 11, 2021, 06:09:16 pm
Post by: TolyK on May 12, 2021, 04:37:09 am
Quote from: Version 1 - Soft Time Travel
Players can post and submit actions at any time for any phase (even when technically dead). Voting can only happen for that particular day.
The standard limit for actions still applies, though: you have a limit of 1 action (excluding free actions) per phase.
Whenever actions are submitted, the engine re-runs all the actions in the new history (just once).
Actions which don't work (e.g. due to dead source or dead target) are just ignored.
As soon as someone wins, the game is completed.
Quote from: Version 2 - Paradox Police
Players can submit particular actions that affect current, future or previous phases.
Whenever actions are submitted, the engine re-runs all actions in multiple iterations.
If you end up creating a paradox, it will start looping through these iterations.
If this is detected, the paradox police will wipe you from existence (e.g. murder you from before the game started) and the game will re-evaluate itself again. The murders will continue until timeline stability is achieved.
The game ends as soon as someone wins (or everyone gets murdered by the time cops).
There are probably other variants that can work, but these seem to be the most doable ones (version 1 is the easiest one to implement).
Post by: Vector on May 12, 2021, 09:03:01 am
Post by: heydude6 on May 12, 2021, 09:20:19 am
Post by: webadict on May 12, 2021, 11:26:05 am
My idea is like so.
Example:
A on N2 kills C on N3.
B does nothing but exist for no real reason.
D on N2 protects C on N3, saving them.
C on N4 then goes back in time and kills D on N1. This causes a ripple effect where C and D dies and revives over and over as the timeline tries to resolve. So, TP show up and throw C is Time Jail for Excessive Paradoxes, removing them from spacetime.
Post by: heydude6 on May 12, 2021, 01:53:50 pm
Post by: webadict on May 12, 2021, 02:03:39 pm
Post by: TolyK on May 12, 2021, 03:10:35 pm
Post by: heydude6 on May 12, 2021, 03:25:06 pm
Post by: TolyK on May 12, 2021, 05:12:26 pm
Not inherently, because you could theoretically work out everything by hand... but practically, yes, because it's a PITA to work out everything by hand. Meanwhile it's a different PITA to make an engine, but you can re-use the engine. ;D
Post by: notquitethere on May 19, 2021, 03:18:35 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 19, 2021, 06:32:45 pm
I think Toaster needs at least one more player for Roguelike Mafia (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178523.0). Should be a blast.I can join if it doesn't start soon.
Post by: Toaster on May 19, 2021, 06:33:54 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on May 25, 2021, 12:58:23 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 09, 2021, 12:21:44 pm
I seem to always get town as an important power role. For example, I was a doctor in CYOM4, Supernatural 10, Gnosia, and my MU Champs game all in a row. In addition, I have only been mafia once in a significant game (not a mini) recently out of a dozen, that being MVM2.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 09, 2021, 04:27:51 pm
Post by: Toaster on July 13, 2021, 05:28:12 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2021, 12:07:30 am
Post by: Secretdorf on July 14, 2021, 12:29:43 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2021, 05:21:11 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 14, 2021, 05:36:30 pm
Post by: No lynch on July 14, 2021, 05:42:10 pm
Post by: webadict on October 08, 2021, 06:07:39 pm
Post by: webadict on October 08, 2021, 10:12:17 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 22, 2021, 01:01:49 pm
Here's the pitch they send out to us:
Hey you! Do you like mafia? Do you have friends? Have you managed to convince yourself that either or both of the aforementioned things are true? If so, you're in luck, because it's once again time for our annual Hydra Event!
In the event, you'll grab a friend with whom you'll share one slot in a mafia game and play against a bunch of other people doing the same thing. For more information, and to sign up, please see the general thread: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-Event-2021%21
Good luck, and happy hydra-ing!
Post by: webadict on October 22, 2021, 01:14:58 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 22, 2021, 01:18:22 pm
Post by: Vector on October 22, 2021, 04:21:38 pm
Post by: webadict on October 22, 2021, 04:25:05 pm
Just kidding, I might. Toony should join us.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 22, 2021, 04:43:41 pm
Post by: Vector on October 22, 2021, 04:48:06 pm
Post by: webadict on October 22, 2021, 05:07:24 pm
I pass then, I would need to be one of like 4 or 5 people to possibly handle a game over there alongside my coursework.Same. I want a hydra with lots of heads...
Post by: webadict on October 28, 2021, 10:11:54 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on November 07, 2021, 10:54:35 pm
Post by: heydude6 on November 08, 2021, 02:18:28 am
Here is a link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179149.0) to the thread discussing this. It's still early on
Post by: Shakerag on November 08, 2021, 11:12:00 pm
Your nerd cred is unparalleled. At least you can always find a job (because no one else is crazy like you.)
Way back update. Here are my babies.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Toaster on November 08, 2021, 11:50:06 pm
And clearly you're big money; you have TWO tile pullers. Showoff.
Post by: Shakerag on November 09, 2021, 09:46:58 am
I like the shark fin. What's going on with the wiring in the back cabinet?
And clearly you're big money; you have TWO tile pullers. Showoff.
Shark fin is on our storage box. The next row over is ... network stuff? I dunno; not my domain.
Also, lol. One of the tile pullers is slightly unreliable.
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2022, 08:43:32 pm
It's not social deduction but I know we have a lot of people who never leave the subforum, wanted to make sure the signal got boosted just in case.
Post by: Vector on February 12, 2022, 10:16:20 pm
Post by: Persus13 on February 12, 2022, 10:35:18 pm
Post by: Vector on February 12, 2022, 10:37:31 pm
Post by: Persus13 on February 12, 2022, 10:52:03 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 12, 2022, 10:58:53 pm
I'm somewhat amused that of the five awards I was nominated for the only one I won was the one I contributed basically nothing to.
Post by: heydude6 on February 13, 2022, 12:22:41 am
BTW, for anyone who wants a status update on me posting the archive, basically what happened was that I ended up taking a much need break during the holidays and afterwards school picked up. I plan on posting the archive during reading week (a week long break at my university), which will be in two weeks.
Edit: Update on the update. As a Ukrainian, the invasion ended up derailing most of my plans. Lot of family stuff ended up happening. Sorry.
Post by: Vector on February 13, 2022, 12:26:13 am
Post by: EuchreJack on February 13, 2022, 06:54:02 am
Congrats to 4maskwolf for the his award for Best Scum/3p Performance - Single Player (Mash). Does the order matter? It was 3 out of 7, or 4 out of 7.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 13, 2022, 06:49:06 pm
I'm the only Bay12 player who plays there with any frequency, I just managed to rope Vector and webadict into one single game after which they said "nah fuck this shit I'm out". MU plays much, MUCH faster than Bay12 so most people used to Bay12 style games aren't fond of it.
And I didn't win an award for that one, I think you're looking at the nomination order there (Throne Mash II was a really early game this year). Apoc won that category for an amazing performance in Zelda Mash.
Post by: Persus13 on February 13, 2022, 06:52:59 pm
Post by: notquitethere on February 18, 2022, 06:54:23 am
Post by: TolyK on February 19, 2022, 06:27:45 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on February 19, 2022, 02:50:46 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 23, 2022, 03:59:31 pm
I've got an account on MU due to participating in the championship games. I had a better experience there than the handful of other mafia forums I'd been on (mafiascum was just weirdly aggro). But overall I prefer the more open formats we've had here. Having dedicated forum software for running mafia helps with the admin but I think it stultifies the possibilities of the form.They do run a lot of manual games which are hand-run (sometimes with modbot votecount, sometimes not if there are roles that mess with it), you're not locked into using the modbot for your games.
Post by: notquitethere on February 26, 2022, 12:11:42 am
Post by: EuchreJack on February 26, 2022, 08:48:17 am
Post by: Mephansteras on February 26, 2022, 11:22:22 am
I can unlock it for you, but I don't think I have control over permissions. That might be a Toady thing.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 14, 2022, 11:48:48 am
Post by: webadict on March 14, 2022, 11:59:51 am
Urgh. I'm forgetting what the trick is to getting your profile pictures to actually process rather than just endlessly stalling and never uploading, can anyone remind me what it is?Can't use https?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 14, 2022, 03:23:20 pm
Edit: of course, all that's doing is making it reject my picture instantly rather than actually accept it.
Post by: TolyK on March 14, 2022, 04:23:02 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 14, 2022, 05:36:17 pm
Edit: Figured out how to get it to accept the image, but now it's just giving me a blank image space rather than the actual image.
Edit 2: finally got it to work, jeez...
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 14, 2022, 05:43:09 pm
Using HTTP is what causes it to stall forever before timing out.I gather that you figured it out, but just so it's totally clear, what you had in between those two edits was a PHP webpage, not an image. This resulted in the blank space because the forum was trying to process it as an image, and, because it wasn't an image, it was invalid.
Edit: Figured out how to get it to accept the image, but now it's just giving me a blank image space rather than the actual image.
Edit 2: finally got it to work, jeez...
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 14, 2022, 07:59:48 pm
Using HTTP is what causes it to stall forever before timing out.
Edit: Figured out how to get it to accept the image, but now it's just giving me a blank image space rather than the actual image.
Edit 2: finally got it to work, jeez...
You sure about that?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Roden on March 14, 2022, 08:55:26 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 14, 2022, 09:06:18 pm
Well it appears on my end so :sparkleshrug:Using HTTP is what causes it to stall forever before timing out.
Edit: Figured out how to get it to accept the image, but now it's just giving me a blank image space rather than the actual image.
Edit 2: finally got it to work, jeez...
You sure about that?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: EuchreJack on March 14, 2022, 10:35:51 pm
Sort of the difference between a construction site and a vacant lot.
I use https://imgbb.com/ (https://imgbb.com/)
So, first I created an account and saved my image to the account. That leads me to this page: https://ibb.co/mTxfQc5 (https://ibb.co/mTxfQc5)
Then I right click and Open Image in New Tab, leading me to this page: https://i.ibb.co/zxkqK4V/m5x-LFug-Zytg-Yht-s-V04-Lh-Tg.jpg (https://i.ibb.co/zxkqK4V/m5x-LFug-Zytg-Yht-s-V04-Lh-Tg.jpg)
Finally, I believe I used that url, only without the "s" in https
Now, if you can see my image, then this must be a good system. Otherwise, nobody's bothered to tell me that my image doesn't work... :-[
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 14, 2022, 10:54:21 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on March 15, 2022, 07:11:08 am
Some silly dog with text I can't read while viewing on my phone.
Post by: notquitethere on March 22, 2022, 05:15:54 am
Also I reluctantly take full responsibility for 4mask's unsettling avatar.
Post by: notquitethere on September 01, 2022, 06:27:01 pm
Here's a taste:
Mad Befriendist: You are immune to guards. You won't flip on dying, instead you will show a copy of another player's role
Police Guard: Upon dying for the first time, you will revive without flipping, and will become a mafia-ally. You have two abilities: each night you can track another player, or each night you can curse a random player. Actions: track, curse. You are a third-party: you win when all other players are dead.
Crazed Exrate: From the start of the third day, a random player shares a chat with a random player of a different alignment
Invenatrist Mager: If you are lynched, the second player to vote for you will lose their role powers. You are a Multiple User Personality. Each night you can MUP a third of the players targeting Dariush: this will either track, watch, curse or do nothing. Action: MUP
Post by: notquitethere on September 05, 2022, 10:53:33 am
That aside... how's everyone doing? This December, I'll have been playing and running games here for a whole decade. Some of you have been at it even longer. While the playerbase has grown smaller from its earlier heights, it's nice that we still have a regular stream of activity.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 05, 2022, 12:40:33 pm
That aside... how's everyone doing? This December, I'll have been playing and running games here for a whole decade. Some of you have been at it even longer. While the playerbase has grown smaller from its earlier heights, it's nice that we still have a regular stream of activity.
I joined my first game (Pirate Mafia 2) when I was a sophomore in high school:
I would like to be number 15. If it isn't too late.This was back when I was taught to double space between sentences...
Jump to present and I'm over two years into my full-time career job and have a bachelor and master's degree. I wasn't playing mafia for most of the master degree as I had stopped playing mafia the semester before I completed undergrad, but this game is timeless and I don't think I'll ever want to stop playing for real.
EDIT:
I can't really remember, but I think I joined my first game because I had just finished the first Ace Attorney and that got me interested in playing mafia/werewolf.
Post by: Vector on September 05, 2022, 02:32:37 pm
It feels strange to be playing this game while no longer young and hopeful. I don't expect to permanently leave either; I just take breaks here and there with the ebb and flow of work and school pressures.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 05, 2022, 05:07:10 pm
I prefer more social deduction and less batshit crazy mechanics.
Post by: heydude6 on September 05, 2022, 05:41:44 pm
I just haven't been able to find the time to work on it. I plan on trying some new time-managements techniques this fall, so I hope to be able to have made some progress by Christmas.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 05, 2022, 08:36:50 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 05, 2022, 09:29:58 pm
Post by: webadict on September 05, 2022, 10:18:00 pm
I kicked Web's butt in the very first Beginner's Mafia.I will never forgive dakarian for letting you get away with that.
Post by: webadict on September 05, 2022, 10:19:01 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 05, 2022, 10:25:19 pm
Post by: Vector on September 06, 2022, 12:09:08 am
I kicked Web's butt in the very first Beginner's Mafia.I will never forgive dakarian for letting you get away with that.
Dakarian wasn't in that one, it was all on you wubz
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 06, 2022, 01:53:36 am
I also, uh, accidentally tried to sign up for an in-progress game (Worse Things Happen at Sea) before realizing how dumb I was and substituting into a beginner mafia game.
Where I was promptly eliminated as the cop. Oops.
And then I joined a bastard game.
Which ended on a mechanical fluke with everyone winning. Yay!?!?
But at least my third game wasn't terrible, I fooled NQT which was pretty funny.
Also god the way I chose to write back then...
Also reminiscing on this stuff made me miss mastahcheese :( :(
Post by: TolyK on September 06, 2022, 02:11:04 am
I'm old and it's terrible.
Ha
Post by: EuchreJack on September 06, 2022, 02:30:19 am
I think I joined the Mafia subforum when I was... 14? 15? I had been playing RtD games and other things, and it seemed fun to do social deduction games. Reading through the really old (think Org and Bookthras era) games was cool, and I had been playing Mafia in summer camp, so it all aligned, really... It's like 10 years later, I've mostly been just lurking here because life is difficult, but I still check in time to time. Nostalgia factor hits hard...I'm old and it's terrible.
Ha
I just remembered I'm older than Jim Oldster.
Sigh.
Other than being closer to death and body deterioration w/more to follow, I don't really mind my age, mostly.
I mean, I feel that my younger years sucked a lot more, so...I'm fairly good with my current oldness.
Post by: webadict on September 06, 2022, 08:08:57 am
We can't all be right, but you know me... I have proof! ;)I kicked Web's butt in the very first Beginner's Mafia.I will never forgive dakarian for letting you get away with that.
Dakarian wasn't in that one, it was all on you wubz
Player List:Vector.
- Jim Groovester
- dakarian
- Org
- ToonyMan
- eduren
- BloodBeard
- Vector
- Free Beer
- webadict
Post by: notquitethere on September 06, 2022, 08:27:24 am
Jump to present and I'm over two years into my full-time career job and have a bachelor and master's degree. I wasn't playing mafia for most of the master degree as I had stopped playing mafia the semester before I completed undergrad, but this game is timeless and I don't think I'll ever want to stop playing for real.I started playing in the wilderness years after finishing my masters degree. After a 10 year gap, I'm now doing a PhD.
I've dipped before for over a year and I will probably dip again. It's always nice to come back to. I wouldn't mind playing another championship game sometime, but really I quite enjoy the slower pace and unique mechanics at Bay12. I've always enjoyed the dynamic puzzle aspect of the game, and the format is essentially timeless.
Post by: Mephansteras on September 06, 2022, 09:45:39 am
I have periods where I do more or less game running, but being moderator on this subforum means I never actually disappear.
Post by: Shakerag on September 07, 2022, 07:07:09 pm
I'm approaching 17 years in my career.
My first game I tried to rally on Jim and was humbled for the experience.
Since then, I've been in almost every BYOR and now "shakeragian" roles are a thing. I guess I have a legacy.
I suppose I'm going where Meph is and that I like running games more than playing.
Post by: Shakerag on September 07, 2022, 07:10:15 pm
I have periods where I do more or less game running, but being moderator on this subforum means I never actually disappear.
How -has- your experience been as a moderator? I assume we haven't gotten out of line that much?
Post by: hector13 on September 07, 2022, 07:17:43 pm
I joined a BM, got worked up and paranoid the ICs were scum and was promptly eliminated D1. My second game was a scum game with at least one of the same ICs which we romped, which was cool.
I think then my third game was an NQT game, in which I was a third party and allowed to choose my wincon, but I don’t think I did well. I think Tiruin insinuated everyone had a counter to my ability so I didn’t actually use it.
I wasn’t a nice person back then in games a lot of the time, which I regret. Trying to be nicer in games now.
Despite our games tending to be power heavy, I really prefer just being a good ol’ VT.
I think actually playing mafia has made me a little better at reading people irl, to some extent, at least in terms of figuring out their motives.
Post by: Shakerag on September 07, 2022, 07:22:16 pm
I can't, per se, say it was my favorite game, but it was by far and large the most memorable one.
Post by: Mephansteras on September 07, 2022, 11:30:18 pm
I have periods where I do more or less game running, but being moderator on this subforum means I never actually disappear.
How -has- your experience been as a moderator? I assume we haven't gotten out of line that much?
Super low effort, really. Problems don't show up very often, and half the time when they do it's someone Toady is already dealing with.
Most of my use of the mod powers is stuff like editing the OP of various important threads and making stuff sticky.
Glad to hear that BP2 was a memorable game for you! Bastards can be kind of tricky to make fun and interesting, and I'm not always successful at it. But I think overall I've managed to do pretty well with them. And I enjoy the extra flexibility they provide.
Oh, and for anyone who's interested and isn't already there, I have a Mafia discord I set up.
Discord Server: Meph's Mafia Discord (https://discord.gg/JBt9BYufaM)
Post by: Vector on September 13, 2022, 01:11:36 am
I think actually playing mafia has made me a little better at reading people irl, to some extent, at least in terms of figuring out their motives.
Playing this game has definitely made me a lot more sensitive to other people's moods and more strategic in solving social problems.
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2022, 03:08:25 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 18, 2022, 04:44:15 pm
Where are all the games?
Subforum died. I'm trying to kick up the activity again.
The subforum has be dying since it began: what is dead will never die!
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 18, 2022, 05:00:18 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 18, 2022, 05:11:42 pm
Post by: webadict on September 18, 2022, 05:47:16 pm
Where are all the games?
Subforum died. I'm trying to kick up the activity again.
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 18, 2022, 06:17:35 pm
Post by: Vector on September 18, 2022, 07:56:03 pm
Where are all the games?
Subforum died. I'm trying to kick up the activity again.
V-Vector?! What are you doing here?
Post by: hector13 on September 18, 2022, 07:59:52 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 28, 2022, 07:52:53 pm
And amazingly, that was still the better of the two tanks I got the privilege of playing with today, the other one would just proximity-aggro’ed enemies so when I threw a heal on him they’d all aggro onto me and I’d have to run away ::)
Post by: Lenglon on September 28, 2022, 08:03:29 pm
Moving this out of the game thread and to where it actually belongs, yeah this was a randomly-created PUG doing leveling dungeons (I’m doing it to get better accessories for the end-of-base-game story dungeons) and the tank went from one big pull to the next and tugged them all into the boss room while I was low on mana. Without voice comes I had no way of yelling at him or telling the team to back out of the boss chamber and let him die, so we just kind of all died.How fast are you at typing? I know it sucks but it's fully possible to type callouts like that in text chat, and you might be suprised how good DPS is at responding to it, especially ranged DPS because they're standing back behind you most of the time and most MMOs have your chat show both in the chat log but also over your character's head.
And amazingly, that was still the better of the two tanks I got the privilege of playing with today, the other one would just proximity-aggro’ed enemies so when I threw a heal on him they’d all aggro onto me and I’d have to run away ::)
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 30, 2022, 09:52:03 pm
I'll admit that being fairly new to the game (and the genre in general) I spend most of my time and attention on keeping my healing and DPSing rotation going so I never even really thought of trying to shotcall in the chat during fights. To be fair normal mode dungeons in the base game are generally super easy to run without any real effort on the part of the players involved, unless your tank or healer are really, really incompetent (DPS occasionally but most dungeon bosses don't enrage or have mechanics that the DPS specifically has to deal with so bad DPS just makes things drag).Moving this out of the game thread and to where it actually belongs, yeah this was a randomly-created PUG doing leveling dungeons (I’m doing it to get better accessories for the end-of-base-game story dungeons) and the tank went from one big pull to the next and tugged them all into the boss room while I was low on mana. Without voice comes I had no way of yelling at him or telling the team to back out of the boss chamber and let him die, so we just kind of all died.How fast are you at typing? I know it sucks but it's fully possible to type callouts like that in text chat, and you might be suprised how good DPS is at responding to it, especially ranged DPS because they're standing back behind you most of the time and most MMOs have your chat show both in the chat log but also over your character's head.
And amazingly, that was still the better of the two tanks I got the privilege of playing with today, the other one would just proximity-aggro’ed enemies so when I threw a heal on him they’d all aggro onto me and I’d have to run away ::)
Post by: Lenglon on September 30, 2022, 10:32:25 pm
to be fair, i built up typing speed by chatting and making callouts in text chat in FPS games, so i built up finger-speed and touch-typing long before I touched my first MMO.I'll admit that being fairly new to the game (and the genre in general) I spend most of my time and attention on keeping my healing and DPSing rotation going so I never even really thought of trying to shotcall in the chat during fights. To be fair normal mode dungeons in the base game are generally super easy to run without any real effort on the part of the players involved, unless your tank or healer are really, really incompetent (DPS occasionally but most dungeon bosses don't enrage or have mechanics that the DPS specifically has to deal with so bad DPS just makes things drag).Moving this out of the game thread and to where it actually belongs, yeah this was a randomly-created PUG doing leveling dungeons (I’m doing it to get better accessories for the end-of-base-game story dungeons) and the tank went from one big pull to the next and tugged them all into the boss room while I was low on mana. Without voice comes I had no way of yelling at him or telling the team to back out of the boss chamber and let him die, so we just kind of all died.How fast are you at typing? I know it sucks but it's fully possible to type callouts like that in text chat, and you might be suprised how good DPS is at responding to it, especially ranged DPS because they're standing back behind you most of the time and most MMOs have your chat show both in the chat log but also over your character's head.
And amazingly, that was still the better of the two tanks I got the privilege of playing with today, the other one would just proximity-aggro’ed enemies so when I threw a heal on him they’d all aggro onto me and I’d have to run away ::)
Post by: Persus13 on October 01, 2022, 05:50:48 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 02, 2022, 12:04:30 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 03, 2022, 08:34:42 am
We've been sorta talking in vague terms but I've specifically been playing FFXIV.
Nice. I'm a casual end-game raider there.
Post by: Persus13 on October 03, 2022, 08:47:43 am
We've been sorta talking in vague terms but I've specifically been playing FFXIV.Thanks, I was curious and confused whether or not you'd said it somewhere.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 03, 2022, 12:58:18 pm
Oh nice! I'm just getting started with it, I'm not even through the Seventh Astral Era questline leading up to Heavensward.We've been sorta talking in vague terms but I've specifically been playing FFXIV.
Nice. I'm a casual end-game raider there.
Post by: Lenglon on October 03, 2022, 01:04:38 pm
Well okay then. Good luck with getting through the pre-Havensward grind, that takes forever. The game picks up the pace after you get through that, they learned their lesson with the expansions and don't give you that kind of massive grind again.Oh nice! I'm just getting started with it, I'm not even through the Seventh Astral Era questline leading up to Heavensward.We've been sorta talking in vague terms but I've specifically been playing FFXIV.
Nice. I'm a casual end-game raider there.
Post by: Shakerag on October 04, 2022, 08:41:33 am
Oh nice! I'm just getting started with it, I'm not even through the Seventh Astral Era questline leading up to Heavensward.We've been sorta talking in vague terms but I've specifically been playing FFXIV.
Nice. I'm a casual end-game raider there.
Yeah, to temper your expectations ... they did revamp the 1-50 slog and cut out a -ton- of useless side quests, but even then IMO the story doesn't really start getting good until level 40-ish. 50 to HW is going to feel like it takes forever (and it will) but there is some good story intermixed in that part. Once you hit HW the pacing from there on out is much, much more improved. And the story just keeps getting better.
Post by: heydude6 on November 16, 2022, 03:14:21 pm
What do you guys think? Is there any interest?
Spoiler: What is Secret Hitler (for those who don’t know)? (click to show/hide)
EDIT: For anyone curious about the user-friendly archive, I have pushed the plans back to Christmas. Right now, I'm in a very important period of my career as a budding programmer, and my current priority is to secure an internship for summer. It is a very scary time for me cause this very well may decide my job prospects upon graduation.
EDIT2: So unfortunately there has been a bit of a miscommunication with my family that has resulted in work on the mafia archive being pushed back a week. Expect the User-friendly version to be ready by New Years instead of Christmas.
Post by: hector13 on November 16, 2022, 03:50:44 pm
It is more of a mafia game though.
Post by: notquitethere on November 16, 2022, 04:18:47 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 16, 2022, 09:21:22 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 23, 2022, 05:54:31 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 23, 2022, 07:38:52 pm
Nothing's moving. Should I put up a mini-setup? Five to seven players. Just enough to get things moving again. I'll do some weird shit, probably, but nothing roles-heavy or chaotic, given the circumstances.No objections from me, but Keep It Simple Sillypants!
Post by: webadict on November 25, 2022, 03:28:16 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 13, 2023, 02:04:07 am
Post by: heydude6 on March 14, 2023, 02:23:56 pm
The plan is to retreat to the countryside and work on the archive there, where no one can interrupt me. Once work finally gets started, it should only take 1 or two weeks to finish.
Post by: TolyK on March 15, 2023, 03:07:41 am
Post by: Quarque on May 17, 2023, 07:14:12 am
Reminds me so much of the Amoeba Murder Investigation (https://youtu.be/o6mA6y6KMmA)