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Author Topic: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page  (Read 1567664 times)

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1065 on: September 05, 2010, 09:43:17 am »

I mean, if I find a way to make a potion that gives a dwarf super speed, with the side effect that they violently explode killing everything nearby after 2 days, I want that to be well-controlled.

Agreed. We have to make sure every dwarf gets some. I would order it poured down the water tank.

Or dumped out into the open countryside if we could aerosolize the stuff.  Having exploding hoary marmots and rhesus macaques would be a fun advertising quirk for the fortress.

I was thinking murder holes.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1066 on: September 05, 2010, 05:37:14 pm »

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:        The parents ended up having some vacation time, so we all went for a   little hike along the Hoh River.  We also ended up staying a night in a   nearby hotel in Forks.  I didn't know until the trip that Forks had   gained some notoriety in recent years.  Apparently we missed the   official annual Twilight Day by about a week, but there were still   plenty of things to be seen, including many shirtless dolls for sale. 

OK i have to admit i am too adicted to your work. MY first impressions were:

- Cool River sites!
- Wow we get functioning inns?
- what procedural Holydays?
- Dolls? Like idols from cloth?

But hey nice to hear you had some time off toady.
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« Reply #1067 on: September 05, 2010, 06:18:19 pm »

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:        The parents ended up having some vacation time, so we all went for a   little hike along the Hoh River.  We also ended up staying a night in a   nearby hotel in Forks.  I didn't know until the trip that Forks had   gained some notoriety in recent years.  Apparently we missed the   official annual Twilight Day by about a week, but there were still   plenty of things to be seen, including many shirtless dolls for sale. 

OK i have to admit i am too adicted to your work. MY first impressions were:

- Cool River sites!
- Wow we get functioning inns?
- what procedural Holydays?
- Dolls? Like idols from cloth?

But hey nice to hear you had some time off toady.

Wait, what? He's talking about Forks. The town. He's not talking about anything DF-related there.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1068 on: September 05, 2010, 06:23:18 pm »

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:        The parents ended up having some vacation time, so we all went for a   little hike along the Hoh River.  We also ended up staying a night in a   nearby hotel in Forks.  I didn't know until the trip that Forks had   gained some notoriety in recent years.  Apparently we missed the   official annual Twilight Day by about a week, but there were still   plenty of things to be seen, including many shirtless dolls for sale. 

OK i have to admit i am too adicted to your work. MY first impressions were:

- Cool River sites!
- Wow we get functioning inns?
- what procedural Holydays?
- Dolls? Like idols from cloth?

But hey nice to hear you had some time off toady.

Wait, what? He's talking about Forks. The town. He's not talking about anything DF-related there.

I do believe he was joking. "You know you've played too much DF when..."

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1069 on: September 05, 2010, 07:14:55 pm »

You're right. I thought he was misinterpreting Toady's English, but it turns out I was misinterpreting his. I think he inadvertently out-flexed me.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1070 on: September 06, 2010, 03:38:17 am »

I seriously thouht Toady describes some adventure mode stuff  ;D
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1071 on: September 06, 2010, 04:41:26 am »

Toady, are you planning on adding some kind of "work overseer" dwarf, so that he`ll ensure that enough dwarves with adequate skill levels have certain labour enabled? Such noble that would automatically enable/disable labours for dwarfs, depending on options. It would be very convinient if such "work overseer" would have some kind of "minimal skill level", "enable cross-profession dwarfs", "minimal number of <profession name>" options. Or he`ll enable option of creating custom "jobs" with predefined set of labours. Or mark dwarves with some kind of token in military screen, so we could see, if a dwarf is a LEGENDARY+5 Weaponsmith and we shouldnt put him in a squad, no matter what happens.

Checking if one of your 100+ dwarves have (siege operator)/(weaponsmith)/(armorer) skill at (any level above dabbling)/(high level) to start (training him up)/(producing high-quality equipment) is very time consuming...
Or choosing, which one of your dwarves is (useless enough)/(male, so he wont bring child to battlefield)/(strong, tough, agile) to list him in a squad...
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« Reply #1072 on: September 06, 2010, 01:06:12 pm »

Checking if one of your 100+ dwarves have (siege operator)/(weaponsmith)/(armorer) skill at (any level above dabbling)/(high level) to start (training him up)/(producing high-quality equipment) is very time consuming...

With a manager, you can do this from a workshop. There is a menu option called Workshop (P)rofile, used for setting minimum and maximum skill levels and allowed dwarves for any given workshop. From there, you can just set jobs for training or for producing masterworks, depending on what skill levels and dwarves you allowed.

Or choosing, which one of your dwarves is (useless enough)/(male, so he wont bring child to battlefield)/(strong, tough, agile) to list him in a squad...

This is just a matter of making the military page have an option to show more info about a dwarf than their highest combat skill.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1073 on: September 06, 2010, 01:27:37 pm »

Just make sure you don't open the space backpack.  :-[
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« Reply #1074 on: September 06, 2010, 02:54:30 pm »

Just make sure you don't open the space menu.  :-[

That's space inventory, pal.
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« Reply #1075 on: September 06, 2010, 07:57:26 pm »

Yaaay bugfixes!

This coming update fills me with sweet sugary goodness.
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« Reply #1076 on: September 06, 2010, 08:59:22 pm »

Well, what's wrong with both? 

You could have a toggle that makes a "coffee" drug open to whoever wants some, and having powerful drugs that have potentially lethal side-effects under strict control over when they are used.

You only need to restrict access to the stuff that you, personally, feel are important enough to reglate.  If you just don't care, you can mass-forbid or leave totally unregulated whatever you want, while letting the control freaks micromanage to the n-th degree.

This.  You should have a Pharmacy building which lets you toggle substances between "general use" and "prescription only" with maybe a "medical use" option as well--kind of like the Economic Stones Mod allows prohibition of certain building materials.  If you want your dwarves to have free reign to dope up on whatever, just don't build the pharmacy.  Bonus points if the pharmacy is a zone like the hospital, needing a chests, tables, and chairs.  More bonus points if "medical use" parameters are defined in the drug raws.
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« Reply #1077 on: September 06, 2010, 09:01:20 pm »

This is all sounding way too modern. Recreational drug use as we know of it today isn't even a terribly old phenomenon, as far as I know. Same with a lot of hard drugs in general, really.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1078 on: September 06, 2010, 09:18:59 pm »

Opium and tobacco (and alcohol if you'd prefer to call it a recreational drug rather than a beverage) have been used for millenia. I think marijuana has also been used for a very long time, but that could just be a memory hiccup.
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« Reply #1079 on: September 06, 2010, 09:21:45 pm »

A memory hiccup due to marijuana?

Yeah, opium has been in use for many centuries recreationally.
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