Post by: Poindexterity on March 03, 2012, 01:58:28 pm
The premise of this idea is that we'll all be working together to create a world STUFFED full of fun stuff for adventurers to explore.
With that being said, here's the rules...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And here's the turn list
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
-Oliolli-Finishedalso, here's a link to the original brainstorming thread if ya feel like ya might need that for some reason http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=98593.msg2883667#msg2883667
feel free to post your ideas for a more exciting thread title.
Post by: Poindexterity on March 03, 2012, 01:58:47 pm
1-no cage traps.
Post by: Poindexterity on March 03, 2012, 02:00:41 pm
Does anyone wanna take my turn just in case?
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 03, 2012, 02:22:03 pm
(Non poindexterity post anyways) :P
Will await my turn gladly.
Post by: slowpokez on March 03, 2012, 02:27:19 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 03, 2012, 02:48:15 pm
wait a second here... is it more then a year until my turn? ???
Says slowpokez :P
Post by: slowpokez on March 03, 2012, 02:50:17 pm
touché.wait a second here... is it more then a year until my turn? ???
Says slowpokez :P
Post by: Graebeard on March 03, 2012, 03:20:57 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on March 03, 2012, 03:23:53 pm
Yo Poindex, you should update OP with a link to the old thread for anyone looking for more info and a link to the most recent save, which in this case will be the starting save.good idea, sir.
Post by: Spish on March 03, 2012, 03:57:02 pm
Some other things, I'd recommend players dump as much of their spare deadguy clothing and rock as they can before finishing up their fortress. Either into the magma sea, or into the atom smasher, both work just as well. It'll reduce lag significantly, especially when the adventurer enters and leaves the site. And until I can get DF2012 artifacts figured out, it'd probably be best if you just forbid non-build-able artifacts immediately after making them, so they never get taken out of the workshop.
Also, nix the "don't kill necros" guideline. We got 36 freaking towers fulla them. If anything, we might as well make it a bit easier for the adventurers :P
Post by: Tidal on March 03, 2012, 04:07:07 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 03, 2012, 04:55:33 pm
It's actually 38-39 towers. I don't know if there's a necromancer pop cap per tower, or what the average is, but there is absolutely no reason not to use necromancers for nefarious schemes.
Actually, from what I've seen of adventure mode, residents respawn everytime you reload an area, so it's possible (with no !!SCIENCE!! to back this up!) this also carries over to fort mode where killing a encromancer doesn't reduce the total number of necromancers a player can encounter in the tower the encromancer came from. Which is to say infinite, if they repeatedly leave the site.
It also means there could be an infinite number of undead all at once if they don't clear the corpses from the tower with each visit! :o
If only all generated secrets were not identical copies... Or DFhack could be used to modify the generated ones on the fly. We have the RAWS, now we just need the HACKS.
Post by: Spish on March 03, 2012, 05:30:11 pm
Post by: Cellmonk on March 03, 2012, 05:37:01 pm
That being said, we might want to worry about depleting the clowncar. Like this (spoilers). (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=94140.0)
I don't believe they are truly infinite. There is just a lot of them. And a single fort can kill hundreds in a period of a few years.
And that is a major issue. the lifespan thing. Why were we making them live forever, may I ask?
Post by: Spish on March 03, 2012, 05:54:25 pm
And here I was planning to turn aging back on in 200 years, make an adventurer, and then laugh maniacally as everyone I come into contact with instantly shrivels up and keels over :P
Post by: Kassil on March 03, 2012, 06:43:08 pm
Let's get this nightmare started.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 03, 2012, 10:17:07 pm
And I was so sure that plan was going to work!
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 03, 2012, 10:24:40 pm
Post by: Cellmonk on March 03, 2012, 10:42:32 pm
How would we make things lairs again?I think dfhack has a command that makes things lairs. we'll need to make sure that works for everyone though. For instance, dfhack works for linux and windows, but im not certain about mac...
Post by: Spish on March 03, 2012, 11:40:58 pm
If anyone wants the above done to their fort but doesn't feel like downloading any programs to do it (or risking screwing things up in the process), they can just upload the save without finishing, and let us handle that part. Same with retiring it as a populated site.
Post by: orius on March 04, 2012, 01:19:59 am
Post by: Armeleon on March 04, 2012, 01:53:06 am
Post by: Eric Blank on March 04, 2012, 03:48:02 am
Post by: Graebeard on March 04, 2012, 01:37:23 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 04, 2012, 02:11:30 pm
Post by: A Spoony Bard on March 04, 2012, 05:05:39 pm
Has anyone figured out how to contain dwarves after finishing your fortress or how to make your fortress function as a town?
EDIT: Do custom professions stay after finishing?
Post by: Eric Blank on March 04, 2012, 05:37:02 pm
Post by: Urist McCatkiller on March 04, 2012, 08:38:04 pm
Post by: Vodrilus on March 05, 2012, 03:38:46 am
Also, eagerly waiting for my turn in... Christmas time? :P
Post by: Cellmonk on March 05, 2012, 06:23:45 pm
ptw"Daddy, I want hundreds of beer drenched dwarven beards for chrismas. pweeeezzzzz?"
Also, eagerly waiting for my turn in... Christmas time? :P
Post by: Tidal on March 05, 2012, 06:32:12 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on March 08, 2012, 01:36:26 pm
Someone else should take my turn, so we can just get this thing started.
RAAAAAAAAAGE!!!
Post by: Spish on March 08, 2012, 04:38:08 pm
I'd volunteer to go first, but neither DFusion nor Runesmith are DF2012 compatible yet; and my vision wouldn't work without one of those two :-\
Heck, this is probably an issue with a lot of the first 10 players on the list. I think we should just let a brave volunteer take the first slot.
Post by: Tidal on March 08, 2012, 04:51:35 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on March 08, 2012, 06:41:06 pm
Post by: Kassil on March 08, 2012, 07:23:27 pm
Post by: ab00 on March 08, 2012, 09:32:56 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on March 08, 2012, 10:34:28 pm
New title idea: "Many fortress, one world: Succesion world for adventure mode"as the only voter, you win.
and of course id like a later turn :D
Post by: Cellmonk on March 08, 2012, 11:11:58 pm
Post by: Spish on March 09, 2012, 03:14:53 am
"Many fortress?" :P
Throw a Mo˙oecamo up in that there title.
Post by: Kassil on March 09, 2012, 06:55:58 am
Post by: Will_Tuna on March 09, 2012, 07:13:57 am
Post by: Girlinhat on March 09, 2012, 10:55:28 am
Post by: bayar on March 09, 2012, 10:56:01 am
Post by: Spish on March 09, 2012, 11:54:14 am
So who's got the world, or am I first on the list now and am I genning it? I can handle long histories and medium-sized worlds, if I'm handling it. I can also handle some 16x16 embarks on pause, so if anyone wants to find upright fun...Where have you been? We finished generating that world a while ago. Make sure you apply the 34.05 rawfix to the save.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5755
(speaking of which, you oughta put that in the OP, Poindexta)
Post by: Girlinhat on March 09, 2012, 12:15:58 pm
Post by: Spish on March 09, 2012, 03:56:42 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 09, 2012, 07:28:01 pm
Post by: Spish on March 09, 2012, 08:35:02 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 09, 2012, 09:05:31 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kassil on March 09, 2012, 09:09:15 pm
Post by: DS on March 09, 2012, 10:53:42 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 09, 2012, 11:07:53 pm
Post by: Spish on March 09, 2012, 11:27:24 pm
By the way, what civ are you going with?
(I'm really gonna miss The Mirthful Lizard-Crab from our first attempt :( )
Post by: Girlinhat on March 09, 2012, 11:58:40 pm
Post by: Gizogin on March 10, 2012, 01:27:09 am
Post by: Spish on March 10, 2012, 02:28:04 am
To be honest I haven't even opened the save yet :D Probably whatever sounds the least appropriate and/or has the closest mountainhome. Since I'll be producing dwarf-sized armor, it should be close to a dwarf starting point.Keep in mind that you can't actually start at dwarf/elf/goblin sites because they don't exist :(
While we're at it, I'd recommend lowering the pain receptors on Bone tissue to 20. At this level; one cracked/chipped bone puts you in pain, two puts you in extreme pain (but is recoverable and doesn't always knock you out), and three is basically the same as what normally happens when you break a bone with 50 pain receptors (certain death, assuming you break all three in quick succession). In addition to drastically cutting down on cheap deaths, this also makes bogeyman a lot less annoying. Doesn't take into account skin+tissue+muscle torn by arrows, but chipped arrow wounds are at least survivable now (if only barely).
Post by: DVNO on March 10, 2012, 04:12:07 pm
To be honest I haven't even opened the save yet :D Probably whatever sounds the least appropriate and/or has the closest mountainhome. Since I'll be producing dwarf-sized armor, it should be close to a dwarf starting point.Keep in mind that you can't actually start at dwarf/elf/goblin sites because they don't exist :(
This might be fixable.
I'm no !!Scientist!! but giving [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CITY] to every civ might make them build human cities.
Dunno, Testing
EDIT
Happy to say my orc adventurer is buying Chitin greaves from a tame zombie human trader in Eviltames, Orc Town
Post by: Girlinhat on March 10, 2012, 06:37:26 pm
Post by: Graebeard on March 10, 2012, 07:28:07 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 10, 2012, 07:33:52 pm
Post by: Spish on March 10, 2012, 07:41:45 pm
Make sure you forbid your artifacts (the non-constructable ones at least) immediately after making them, so they don't get taken out of the workshop until you can figure out some scatter-safe method of storing them for adventurers.
Post by: DS on March 10, 2012, 07:54:35 pm
The world is already underway, and it's a massive world. I embarked and started, and realized I was human. Humans are now 80% dwarfier. Begun digging. Lots of digging.
It would be useful to future players to have a reference list of civilizations, so people can easily see what race they are embarking as. I'm on it.
EDIT: Actually, on the embark screen, you can just look at the civilizations. There are a few that have conquered others (such as a human civ with a few goblin towers), but it is easy enough to tell just by looking at the map.
I discovered, however, that we have 10 human civs, 10 elf civs, 10 goblin civs, and 10 dwarf civs. Only one civilization - the Spider of Finders (goblins) - has been wiped out (they have no more sites), and their last entry in Legends is a lost battle in 90 (the world is somewhere around 300).
Post by: Eric Blank on March 10, 2012, 10:54:57 pm
How goes the game? :D
Also, you can tell what race your civ is by changing to the diplomacy/civs-available-for-trade/war screen after selecting one. The race listed at the top is your civ, and the race by which your fortress will be populated. Everything below that will be other civilizaions that have access to the site.
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 11, 2012, 07:16:01 am
While we're at it, I'd recommend lowering the pain receptors on Bone tissue to 20. At this level; one cracked/chipped bone puts you in pain, two puts you in extreme pain (but is recoverable and doesn't always knock you out), and three is basically the same as what normally happens when you break a bone with 50 pain receptors (certain death, assuming you break all three in quick succession). In addition to drastically cutting down on cheap deaths, this also makes bogeyman a lot less annoying. Doesn't take into account skin+tissue+muscle torn by arrows, but chipped arrow wounds are at least survivable now (if only barely).
I don't think you appreciate just how painful chipped bones are :P
Anywho, broken bones tend to indicate your dead regardless. Cheap deaths are the best deaths!
Post by: Girlinhat on March 11, 2012, 11:22:59 am
But I'll leave that for someone after me to mod.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 11, 2012, 11:47:42 am
Ideally something like this. A deep hole drilled straight through to the magma sea (lava see, since it can see daylight?) with walkways carved into the walls and rooms buried in the stone. The walls around the top edge would curve around into a short spire from which THIS IS SPARTA could be performed liberally. Additionally, the above-ground structure there would contain an reservoir and pump area, coupled with the rest of the borehole's pump system, well... The whole thing erupts and overflows (right when you get to the bottom!)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Damn... You stole my idea! Almost to the letter. That's actually my preferred fortress layout, except that I always make a 11x11 square hole with five tiles on every edge and usually don't bother to go below the first caverns with it just because I have so much damn room
Post by: Spish on March 11, 2012, 01:16:22 pm
I don't think you appreciate just how painful chipped bones are :PI hate when people around here pretend to be real-life experts on things they're obviously not. Besides, this is a fantasy game; you can get stabbed numerous times in the stomach and chest, and still be able to walk it off, or get your arm torn off, and even with no application of first-aid only lose just enough blood to become 'faint.' At 20 pain receptors, a chipped bone (plus pain from the skin/tissue/muscle the dagger or arrow tore through to get to it) is still enough to cause extreme, fainty pain, but only just.
Anywho, broken bones tend to indicate your dead regardless. Cheap deaths are the best deaths!
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 11, 2012, 02:09:50 pm
I hate when people around here pretend to be real-life experts on things they're obviously not. Besides, this is a fantasy game; you can get stabbed numerous times in the stomach and chest, and still be able to walk it off, or get your arm torn off, and even with no application of first-aid only lose just enough blood to become 'faint.' At 20 pain receptors, a chipped bone (plus pain from the skin/tissue/muscle the dagger or arrow tore through to get to it) is still enough to cause extreme, fainty pain, but only just.
1. What implied that I said I was an expert? I'm basing this off personal experience. Personal experience =/= expert?
2. The whole limb ripping thing is caused by a bug. Doesn't even bleed a bit if the limb is ripped off cleanly. Arguing about making the world easier by justifying it with a bug is hardly a sound one :|
Plus, this probably should've been discussed in the original thread, before we already started playing it :\
Ah, and if you're getting stabbed in the stomach and chest, and walking it off, your game might be a bit broken :P
Post by: Spish on March 11, 2012, 02:19:40 pm
2. The whole limb ripping thing is caused by a bug. Doesn't even bleed a bit if the limb is ripped off cleanly. Arguing about making the world easier by justifying it with a bug is hardly a sound one :|So is the whole "pass out 6 times from a broken finger" dealie. Either way, I'm pretty sure that Toady intended severed limbs to be survivable. What's screwed up is that broken bones, no matter how small, are unsurvivable.
Post by: Powder Miner on March 11, 2012, 02:26:01 pm
Post by: Cellmonk on March 11, 2012, 02:49:33 pm
Post by: Kassil on March 11, 2012, 04:18:09 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on March 11, 2012, 05:09:08 pm
As something of an unwilling expert on the subject of pain, I have to say that the amount it impacts you depends on two things - one is the severity of the injury (chipped bones will hurt like hell, yes, but there are worse pains) and the other is your own pain tolerance. I'm capable of remaining functional, at an impaired level, under situations that would - and do - cripple other people I know.adrenaline being a third factor. If im terrified, i can withstand levels of pain that would FLOOR me were i to be all chillin and whatnot.
Post by: Kassil on March 11, 2012, 05:10:09 pm
As something of an unwilling expert on the subject of pain, I have to say that the amount it impacts you depends on two things - one is the severity of the injury (chipped bones will hurt like hell, yes, but there are worse pains) and the other is your own pain tolerance. I'm capable of remaining functional, at an impaired level, under situations that would - and do - cripple other people I know.adrenaline being a third factor. If im terrified, i can withstand levels of pain that would FLOOR me were i to be all chillin and whatnot.
True. Adrenaline is one hell of a functional anesthetic/cushion against pain.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 11, 2012, 05:48:04 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 11, 2012, 05:57:33 pm
I always just put Willpower up to superhuman in my adventurers. Then broken bones don't make me pass out most of the time, unless, I'm also being kicked in the head.
Exactly. The people who pass out from dented fingers, are the people who removed all points from willpower assuming it was useless :P
Hell, even above average willpower results in an adventurer who can jump off bridges and still stay conscious.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 11, 2012, 06:51:17 pm
Hell, even above average willpower results in an adventurer who can jump off bridges and still stay conscious.
False. Adventurers with High Willpower will usually pass out after jumping 2 z-levels, or with a broken bone. I ALWAYS use at least high willpower and endurance, and it's still true that just about any broken bones/marksman-induced injuries will result in passing out from pain, which results in death. It's fairly ridiculous how wimpy creatures are in regards to pain tolerance, but I'm not sure if taking action would be appreciated by the community at large.
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 11, 2012, 07:41:18 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh and that was a 5 z lvl fall...
Post by: Spish on March 11, 2012, 09:06:19 pm
40 or 30 pain receptors wouldn't be bad either, but I concede that it's all up to you as the next player after Girlin. I encourage you try out a long-term adventurer on this particularly large world, grind up enough armor, skills and companions to make an expedition to a fortress on the other side of the region, and decide for yourself whether or not sudden and unavoidable death is good wholesome Fun.
Post by: Babylon on March 11, 2012, 10:21:57 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 12, 2012, 10:49:54 am
After this commercial message, breaking news! Urist McMiner has struck more copper!
Post by: Vodrilus on March 12, 2012, 01:41:42 pm
Urist McMinerI'm having a hard time keeping your settlers human in my mind's eye. My cup of dwarfiness overfloweth...
Post by: Girlinhat on March 12, 2012, 01:46:35 pm
Future fortresses beware: world be deep!
Post by: Gizogin on March 12, 2012, 02:09:12 pm
What's the big deal about not having access to DT and DFhack? I haven't ever used DT, and I haven't been able to use DFhack since I got my Mac, so I don't really see why it's such a problem. That said, I haven't actually used either of them, so I don't really have the same perspective as those of you who rely on it. Would I be correct in assuming that DT is one of those "once you use it, you realize how much more stuff you can do, and never want to go back" things?
Post by: Spish on March 12, 2012, 02:15:57 pm
That's weird, I used fastdwarf to build a deep, 100 z-level pit and finished it in less than an hour only using 4 dwarves (granted, it was probably a much smaller in diameter than yours). The alternative idea still sounds pretty cool though.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 12, 2012, 02:19:33 pm
Also, I would wager GIH's humans aren't hyped up on booze and thus slower. Toady never did change how that works...
Post by: Girlinhat on March 12, 2012, 02:38:33 pm
My pit started at 101 diameter, so yes it's a considerably large hole. Current width is 95 I believe, or 97, think I was getting ready for 95. I also have like a dozen miners and two dozen engravers, the whole pit is smoothed on each level before the level is removed - I discovered this was the easiest method as my engravers work faster than my miners, I can let my engravers get partly done with a layer before assigning the miners. The goal of smoothing the walls has been achieved, along with like 20 legendary engravers.
Post by: Powder Miner on March 12, 2012, 07:49:29 pm
I have a low pain tolerance IRL, too...
Post by: Graebeard on March 12, 2012, 10:11:20 pm
Without accounting for pixilization, a 100 diameter hole for 150 z's is 375000*pi dig jobs :o
Post by: Girlinhat on March 12, 2012, 10:15:01 pm
Either way, the issue is the time it takes the miners. Speed 0 at this size of a world grinds down to 5 FPS, it's just not sustainable, especially during a designation phase.
Post by: Graebeard on March 12, 2012, 11:01:51 pm
Post by: Cellmonk on March 13, 2012, 01:59:20 am
Post by: Di on March 13, 2012, 03:34:22 am
Post by: Spish on March 13, 2012, 03:43:17 am
Post by: slowpokez on March 13, 2012, 04:24:27 am
In my experience, dumping magma-safe stone into a natural magma flow (ie. the magma sea) removes it from existence. Course, you could always just use the DFhack 'autodump' tool speed up the process.isn't it the smr that does that and not the magma? :/
Post by: ab00 on March 13, 2012, 09:13:15 am
Post by: Girlinhat on March 13, 2012, 10:38:53 am
Girlinhat, could you outline the edge of the map in the caverns with colored floor? This would make it easier to explore them or getting out from them.I've not yet struck caverns, and I'm not sure if I will.
Post by: Graebeard on March 14, 2012, 12:25:17 am
Post by: Eric Blank on March 14, 2012, 02:57:27 am
GIH; you COULD make your pit more rapidly by digging out only the outer rings, then dropping the entire thing into the SMR. It may be horrendously messy afterwards, likely to simply crash your game, and you'd still have to shave it all down to the width of the final hole into the magma sea, but should go more rapidly.
Post by: Cellmonk on March 14, 2012, 06:01:00 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 16, 2012, 01:00:24 am
GIH! How goes the enormous pit?
Post by: Girlinhat on March 16, 2012, 10:48:09 am
Post by: Spish on March 16, 2012, 11:25:28 am
Also, mandating the construction of some steel morningstars, steel/adamantine great axes/halberds, and an adamantine dagger (forbid this one inside the forge so it doesn't get scattered into oblivion), if not all human weapons.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 16, 2012, 03:04:36 pm
Also, mandating the construction of someI'll do what I can!steelcopper morningstars,steelcopper/adamantinecopper great axes/halberds, and anadamantinecopper dagger (forbid this one inside the forge so it doesn't get scattered into oblivion), if not all human weapons.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 17, 2012, 04:14:18 pm
Stalled at Z-16. Turns out I've got like 100k stone on the map. So I'm gonna build a little settlement at 20 FPS and call it done.
Yeah... Never run out of space OR materials with open pit forts :o
Post by: Spish on March 20, 2012, 02:21:51 am
Since everything is copper, I'd say this would be a good place to provide adventurers with starting gear. I hope you weren't planning on retiring the fortress with a bajillion legendary miners; they be instant murder for anyone who tries to fight them, kill most of them off if you must.
Post by: Poindexterity on March 20, 2012, 04:20:31 am
10th day of your turn, time to start wrapping things up. Destroy as much item clutter as you can, catalog your artifacts and any other notable fortress info, and devise a fitting end for the fortress.I like that you've taken the role of taskmaster upon yourself, good sir. I was reluctant to do it and had hoped some brave soul would rise to the occasion.
Since everything is copper, I'd say this would be a good place to provide adventurers with starting gear. I hope you weren't planning on retiring the fortress with a bajillion legendary miners; they be instant murder for anyone who tries to fight them, kill most of them off if you must.
In the wise words of my ancestors, Go head witchya bad self.
Also, why must the miners be slain?
they'd make fantastic migrants for later human forts, would they not?
Post by: Girlinhat on March 20, 2012, 11:13:19 am
ALL available clutter has been destroyed using DFHack's tool of "autodump destroy" which raised my FPS from ~19 to ~75. Fortress was abandoned without incident and currently no significant history is provided. The only deaths were vampire or mood related, and all artifacts were mediocre.
There should be like 2-3 sets of full masterwork copper armor + whip, with an additional 7-8 sets of master/exceptional loitering about.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 20, 2012, 12:14:10 pm
And before we forget; where is your fortress, GIH?
Post by: Girlinhat on March 20, 2012, 03:56:12 pm
Post by: Spish on March 20, 2012, 04:13:50 pm
You can take a snapshot of the world by exporting it in legends, and reduce the filesize of the image by well over 90% if you convert it to a .png. Dex should put a map of the world in the OP, just out of principle. Perhaps adding MSPaint labels to sites of interest, but after we get the world is a bit more fleshed out.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Uta Siga, The Pit of Depth, is the fortress near the center of the map next to the sea, directly underneath the small island.
Post by: Poindexterity on March 20, 2012, 08:57:42 pm
Dex should put a map of the world in the OP, just out of principle. Perhaps adding MSPaint labels to sites of interest, but after we get the world is a bit more fleshed out.yeah, i should, hmmm...
wouldja mind running me through how to do something like that, oh honorable Taskmaster Spish?
I''ve only been playing this for a few months and i really don't mess with much yet.
I'm willing to learn though.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 20, 2012, 09:53:37 pm
This would also help any fort designers to pick a location near or far from others, so they don't end up crowded.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 21, 2012, 02:22:26 pm
It's not too hard to read them like that, really, but we MIGHT be able to come up with some way to display the watered down biome and site map in reference to the tiles displayed in game.
Only one problem: I cannot extract a biome and site map. DF crashes. GIH, coudl you export the map?
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 22, 2012, 01:44:01 am
Post by: Kassil on March 22, 2012, 01:45:46 am
So can I start now?
Yes. Take GiH's save and get going.
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 22, 2012, 07:52:27 pm
Post by: Cellmonk on March 22, 2012, 07:57:30 pm
I have begun.
omgbbq!
Post by: Eric Blank on March 22, 2012, 08:35:40 pm
I have begun.
What is your plan?
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 23, 2012, 03:58:02 pm
Rest assured, no one will want to enter it.
No one.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 23, 2012, 06:34:59 pm
Also, I found an incredibly deep river canyon here.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That's not even the bottom of the canyon. I climbed down; it's a total of 34 z-levels from where I am standing on top the ice to the cliff above. Holy carp.
I call dibs :D
I haven't even made it to GIH's fort yet, but not for lack of trying. It's several days' travel from anything and everything an adventurer could interact with besides frigid temperatures and numerous rivers to cross.
Post by: A Spoony Bard on March 23, 2012, 06:51:59 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 23, 2012, 07:08:52 pm
I look forward to spending 3 RL days trekking across a mountain range to get to your fort :P
Just don't bother embarking in an ocean; DF hates oceans and it'll spawn your dorfs trapped in slade deep underground, at which point savescumming/force-closing DF is
Embarking on the shores of the high mountain lakes is pretty fun though, besides the lack of invaders.
Post by: DS on March 23, 2012, 07:46:34 pm
The rules don't make exceptions normally, but I can't see anyone making any sort of argument against Embark Anywhere (or Just Embark (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=71007.0) which is functionally identical.
I can't see anyone arguing against embarking on top of natural areas (high mountains, etc.), but I don't think embarking on necromancer towers or human towns should be allowed. Although... having a dwarven quarter in the human capitol city might be interesting, so long as sieges are turned off (so as to prevent the death of historical figures).
Post by: Eric Blank on March 23, 2012, 07:51:24 pm
Post by: A Spoony Bard on March 23, 2012, 07:55:05 pm
Hm, some may object to my planned use of it, perhaps. I was planning to use it in case you can't embark along a road in vanilla.The rules don't make exceptions normally, but I can't see anyone making any sort of argument against Embark Anywhere (or Just Embark (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=71007.0) which is functionally identical.
I can't see anyone arguing against embarking on top of natural areas (high mountains, etc.), but I don't think embarking on necromancer towers or human towns should be allowed. Although... having a dwarven quarter in the human capitol city might be interesting, so long as sieges are turned off (so as to prevent the death of historical figures).
My reasons to embark along a road shall remain secret. I want my fortress to be a secret until I finish...
Post by: DS on March 23, 2012, 10:26:59 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 24, 2012, 10:48:51 am
Considering whether or not to release pics...
Edit;
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/6826/whatisthisk.png)
What
Post by: orius on March 24, 2012, 11:18:40 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 24, 2012, 02:25:27 pm
Quite worryingly, it now says I cannot produce drinks as well. Even though I'm still capable of brewing loads!
Also, I think no adventuring should be done with the save you intend to upload;
Found some injured humans running away from something.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This world is a bit odd :P
Post by: Spish on March 24, 2012, 05:18:26 pm
I did however notice that Girlin didn't apply any of the 34.05 raw updates, as it still gives you the b_detail errorlog.
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 24, 2012, 05:26:36 pm
2. I have Dwarfs over the age of a thousand. I don't recall the starting 7 being vampires, so I assume someone changed the maxage?
Post by: Spish on March 24, 2012, 05:31:06 pm
2. Aye, we had to make dwarves/humans semi-immortal. Because once a person is born in DF land, their age of death is hard-coded into their DNA; so removing aging after worldgen was not an option.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 25, 2012, 02:45:20 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 25, 2012, 04:16:35 pm
I shall now release one image of what I have been up to.
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/589/strikingoil.png)
I think I found water.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 26, 2012, 02:36:50 am
Post by: Girlinhat on March 26, 2012, 09:34:49 am
Post by: Di on March 26, 2012, 11:15:37 am
Remove me from the list.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 26, 2012, 01:36:00 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 26, 2012, 01:43:01 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 26, 2012, 05:05:23 pm
Alerting the next person halfway though a turn sounds ideal to me. That gives them 5 days to prepare for their 10 day turn, and do any machine testing or idea scheming.
Post by: ab00 on March 26, 2012, 05:22:53 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on March 26, 2012, 06:35:12 pm
do i wait till the end or can i take the next turn?
Post by: Eric Blank on March 26, 2012, 08:28:01 pm
ab00 has a good point, though. If Poindexter wasn't prepared to take his turn now, Loud whispers could easily take another day or two without much problem for us.
The rules provide for another 48 hours after the end of your turn to upload the file before being skipped. Technically, Loud Whispers, you can use that to work a bit more, but if you upload even half an hour late - or come within an hour or two of the deadline just as likely - you run the risk of being ignored. Unless Poindexter thinks he can afford to lose a bit of time/can't begin quite yet anyway, but shearing off a day or so of time he could be spending playing when his schedule isn't free the entire week after isn't fair.
Post by: Poindexterity on March 26, 2012, 08:39:44 pm
Hmm... Di just dropped out, Loud Whispers wants a couple more days, and Di's absence is the perfect opportunity for Poindexter to tak his turn.well, i don't really have a big grand plan like alot of you folks do, so if loud whispers wants another day on his turn, he can take one of mine. I'm sure he has something really impressive going on.
ab00 has a good point, though. If Poindexter wasn't prepared to take his turn now, Loud whispers could easily take another day or two without much problem for us.
The rules provide for another 48 hours after the end of your turn to upload the file before being skipped. Technically, Loud Whispers, you can use that to work a bit more, but if you upload even half an hour late - or come within an hour or two of the deadline just as likely - you run the risk of being ignored. Unless Poindexter thinks he can afford to lose a bit of time/can't begin quite yet anyway, but shearing off a day or so of time he could be spending playing when his schedule isn't free the entire week after isn't fair.
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 27, 2012, 01:13:36 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 27, 2012, 05:59:46 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That bastard nearly killed my preparatory fort in the mountains north-west of the inland sea. Kept raising all the corpses in my refuse stockpile, but I couldn't find him until a cat bumped into him in entryway halls.
Post by: Poindexterity on March 27, 2012, 06:49:10 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 27, 2012, 07:10:05 pm
I've been feeling the need to use DFhack as well... If only it hadn't become so difficult to update.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 27, 2012, 09:06:34 pm
Current abandon method can leave survivors, but DFHack allows for much "cleaner" abandon scenarios.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 27, 2012, 09:43:11 pm
Speaking of .05, I should go find the .05 updated raws I wrote and implement the .06 raw updates, and get Loud whispers to update it all before uplaoding the save.
Nevermind; GIH or someone already did the .05 update. All you'll need to do is copy over body_detail_plan.txt and Item_helm.txt from your .06 copy into the save. It should also be retroactive so do so even if we haven't moved on to 34.06 yet.
Post by: Phantom of The Library on March 28, 2012, 04:37:02 pm
Post by: Garath on March 28, 2012, 05:09:29 pm
We should update the game as we go. I doubt anything serious will come up, besides a hankering for new features Toady may implement that don't get passed down to older saves.
Speaking of .05, I should go find the .05 updated raws I wrote and implement the .06 raw updates, and get Loud whispers to update it all before uplaoding the save.
Nevermind; GIH or someone already did the .05 update. All you'll need to do is copy over body_detail_plan.txt and Item_helm.txt from your .06 copy into the save. It should also be retroactive so do so even if we haven't moved on to 34.06 yet.
good to know, but can someone somewhere keep a list of any changes you have to make and how to do it? I'm somewhere in turn 42, so much more may change within those days. I'd like to know what I need to do to keep it running.
Post by: Rayc on March 28, 2012, 05:25:39 pm
If people are starting to line up in droves to get in on this, you could have two worlds bouncing back and forth. Every 5 days a new turn lasting 10 days would begin, with every other time being world A.
Are the historical immigrants from the previous forts migrating, or are you killing them all off? It would be cool to have a dwarf that has been in 12 different player forts, sort of like a mascot. Or have a dwarfen family tree span down through all the forts.
Post by: Kofthefens on March 28, 2012, 05:28:53 pm
If people are starting to line up in droves to get in on this, you could have two worlds bouncing back and forth. Every 5 days a new turn lasting 10 days would begin, with every other time being world A.
I feel like the goal of this is to fill a single world, and it wouldn't be worth it. That may just be me though.
Post by: Garath on March 28, 2012, 05:37:54 pm
Since releasing HFS into the fort is not a good way to greet adventurers, noris colapsing it into nothing, I really hope to see a few more normal abandons. "we did what we came for, looks like fun, let's find a new employer."
Post by: Spish on March 28, 2012, 05:44:47 pm
Well from my visit to GIH's fort, the residents will be alive and well, assuming there's nothing lurking around to kill them. However; DFhack probably still has something to manage the transition. You'll just have to wait for it to be updated. :POnly temporary. The inhabitants will gradually disappear from the site after a while. I thought it was a bug too.
Post by: A Spoony Bard on March 28, 2012, 09:26:18 pm
Is there any way to prevent this? I want to make a town-like fort, but it won't funtion how I want it to if everyone in it just migrates off...
Are the historical immigrants from the previous forts migrating, or are you killing them all off? It would be cool to have a dwarf that has been in 12 different player forts, sort of like a mascot. Or have a dwarfen family tree span down through all the forts.
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 29, 2012, 02:10:53 pm
Post by: Spish on March 29, 2012, 03:16:05 pm
Post by: Veetor on March 29, 2012, 03:58:34 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 29, 2012, 06:14:39 pm
There's a massive load of ores on the map, the first 200k of which being gold, followed by hematite, the two most common forms of copper, galena, sphalerite, and a little aluminum. But the big plus is the massive depth of the map, which means lots of space to engineer my death traps and impressive structures. The first cavern lies ~57 z-levels below the main mountain valley, which is ~87 z-levels from the peak of the mountains. The first cavern layer has no groundcover besides mud, but the second, at -100 z's, has ground cover and much more vegetation. The magma sea starts at -123 from the main valley floor. The only drawbacks for me is that my FPS will likely plummet, there's no water above the caverns, which is a really, really long ways down, and there's not a lot of marble to accompany the hematite, nor much adamantine.
Time to start drawing up blueprints. And buying up picks. It takes YEARS to create a defensible outdoor fortress in the mountains, but goblins show up within roughly twelve-thirteen months. I'm going to need stout labor and a good defensive strategy that distracts bowmen.
I did find more hematite and marble immediately to the south-east of that volcano, in the forests immediately north of a tiny mountain range. The marble exists under a locale with clay in the soil, and the hematite under the adjacent area without clay. Not as good for building a massive deathtrap, but parts of it are very flat and shallow relative to these mountains, and it has surface water in the form of pools. No magma pipes, though.
Post by: DS on March 30, 2012, 02:18:25 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 30, 2012, 02:32:44 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 30, 2012, 03:43:02 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 30, 2012, 07:25:22 pm
Post by: Pranz on March 31, 2012, 08:55:26 am
Post by: Garath on April 01, 2012, 08:10:14 am
"unexpected high number of undead."
"Goblins must be closeby as ambushers showed up fast."
"Lot's of steel armor, ordered militia to leave it behind in case someone ever comes here to reclaim the site."
Ideally, a short description of the layout:
"caverns heavily populated and we sealed it with a bridge, lever is located at xxx, but we made a seperate one at the bridge itself. We made sort of signposts to help navigating the underground area. Levers used for traps, magma or water are sealed behind a wall, we do not want to risk the whole area being burned by anyone, or the fort to end up flooded. The treasure room is behind a flooded tunnel, we can drain it at will with the lever located (here), but to get there you need to do something (here)."
heh, dwarven treasure puzzles
Post by: Eric Blank on April 01, 2012, 12:51:08 pm
Also, since GIH's description of her own fort wasn't enough for Poindexter, why don't we write about it? Unless GIH demands that nothing be said or information is limited, this could go in the second post of the OP:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
After each fort is done and uploaded the creator or someone who visits the fort can write as much information about it as the creator will permit.
Poindexter! We need your post-editing powers! Mostly because they're your posts...
According to Rule #4, GIH still needs to provide some information: Is the fortress reclaimable or forbidden to future overseers or participants? Is the survey I did acceptable or do you want to edit it?
Post by: WillowLuman on April 02, 2012, 08:25:49 pm
Post by: Spish on April 02, 2012, 08:33:54 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on April 02, 2012, 08:43:00 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on April 02, 2012, 09:24:12 pm
I have run my own mods for the past year with several other civs using the CIV_CONTROLLABLE tag, and they will all come to trade/invade just fine. There's no evidence on the wiki to the contrary, or in Toady's notes to suggest anything has changed recently. In fact, elves and humans both showed up to trade whilst I was playing in the succession world save.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 02, 2012, 09:35:47 pm
Sorry, but that's completely inaccurate: the CIV_CONTROLLABLE tag does not exclude or even affect trade. You don't get caravans from other dwarven civs because the game is coded to only permit one civilization of each entity (MOUNTAIN, for dwarves) to interract with your site, determined by the closest ones to it, except for your own civ choice which overrides the others of the same entity. That's why you're always visited by the same elven, goblin, human and kobold civs when caravans/invaders come.
I have run my own mods for the past year with several other civs using the CIV_CONTROLLABLE tag, and they will all come to trade/invade just fine. There's no evidence on the wiki to the contrary, or in Toady's notes to suggest anything has changed recently. In fact, elves and humans both showed up to trade whilst I was playing in the succession world save.
Huh, weird. Then again, this always happened with my modded civs in 31.25. Haven't tried new version yet, and I probably managed to accidentally damage my 31.25 game early on with inept use of outside utilities.
Post by: Poindexterity on April 02, 2012, 11:34:44 pm
Hey Loudwhispers, your time is up after tonight, techinically speaking. How will you be able to sleep at night knowing your days are now being subtracted from Poindexterity's?consider my turn to have started at the correct time and ill just pick it up when LW uploads it and go from there.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 03, 2012, 08:13:50 am
*EDIT
Make that tomorrow.
Devastating crash that has made me lose all the will to live, for a day at least. Will post tomorrow instead.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 03, 2012, 06:47:53 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on April 04, 2012, 10:29:51 pm
Will upload the save today, can I be put on the end of the list after my go's up?so, ummm...
*EDIT
Make that tomorrow.
Devastating crash that has made me lose all the will to live, for a day at least. Will post tomorrow instead.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 04, 2012, 10:45:39 pm
Also got a present! 5 legendary miners and 4 legendary masons for whoever's next.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 04, 2012, 10:53:50 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 05, 2012, 07:51:28 am
Rules:
No Fortress mode reclaim nonsense
Adventuring is allowed, but highly discouraged. If you do reach it, prepare to be swamped by 80,000 boulders, and you will severly ruin any future gaming experience if you enter the maze. Essentially, spoilers if you intend to play in the future.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6105
Post by: Poindexterity on April 05, 2012, 02:25:03 pm
HERE GOES!!!
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 05, 2012, 02:30:50 pm
I'm a little confused about how "adventuring strongly discouraged" fits into the whole "making a fun world to adventure in" theme, but whatever.
Not finished yet, can I be put on the end of the list?
Post by: Poindexterity on April 05, 2012, 03:10:42 pm
sureI'm a little confused about how "adventuring strongly discouraged" fits into the whole "making a fun world to adventure in" theme, but whatever.
Not finished yet, can I be put on the end of the list?
Post by: Poindexterity on April 05, 2012, 03:23:47 pm
this is different than the file before.
What do i do with all these things?
Does the "raw" folder replace the current one?
what about all those other files?
what to do with them?
lil help so i dont fuck this up for everyone?
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 05, 2012, 03:31:15 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on April 05, 2012, 03:38:43 pm
what'd i do wrong?
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 05, 2012, 03:46:54 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on April 05, 2012, 04:07:38 pm
i download the world file.
i unzip both
i put the folder marked "succesion world" into the folder marked "data"
i start the game
Post by: Eric Blank on April 05, 2012, 07:15:55 pm
I just did so, and it worked perfectly.
So, I see that the file needs updated for 34.07 still. Damnit.
Post by: Poindexterity on April 05, 2012, 08:45:11 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on April 05, 2012, 08:50:28 pm
Of course if you meant remove the succession world save from the folder you stuffed it in and put it in the save folder, then sure.
Post by: Poindexterity on April 06, 2012, 06:00:45 pm
I'm bout to just give up and let someone else go.
DAMMMIIIITTTT!!!
Post by: WillowLuman on April 06, 2012, 06:08:10 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on April 06, 2012, 06:09:33 pm
Post by: Graebeard on April 06, 2012, 06:19:03 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on April 06, 2012, 06:26:33 pm
Poindex, are you sure that the version of DF you're trying to run the save on matches the save?no i am not. What version SHOULD i be using?
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 06, 2012, 06:29:14 pm
There. Compressed everything, just un-compress and it should all work
Post by: Graebeard on April 06, 2012, 06:33:34 pm
So, I just downloaded, unzipped the save folder into data\save and fired it up just fine.
Poindex, if you're still having problems can you past the path to the save folder that you're unzipping so I can see if you're saving it in the correct place?
Post by: Poindexterity on April 06, 2012, 07:03:47 pm
The DDFD page shows 34.05. I'm downloading now to see if it gives me any problems.thats probably it.
ive been using .07
gonna try again tonight.
Hell, maybe ill even have a day or 2 left in my turn by the time i get this working.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 06, 2012, 07:34:11 pm
The errorlog isn't important, really, except for modders or when something serious occurs ingame and you're trying to figure out what actually happened. The eyelid parsing thing doesn't really cause any problems. Please, just repalce b_detail_plan_default.txt and run it in 34.07. It doesn't need to stagnate on 34.05 any longer, and we can determine when it's really time to stop updating through testing.
DO NOT use an older version of DF once we've moved on to a newer one, if we have. Armok only knows what could go wrong!
Post by: Poindexterity on April 06, 2012, 09:38:00 pm
I've been using .07 as well. The only problem is in the errorlog, and that would be fixed IF YOU WOULD UPDATE B_DETAIL_PLAN_DEFAULT.TXT IN THE SAVES RAW FOLDER WITH THE ONE FROM VANILLA 34.07 LIKE I SAID NEEDED TO BE DONE A WEEK AGO or something along that timeframe.yeah, i dont know what the hell that means. i remember asking a few times and not really getting an answer...
Post by: Girlinhat on April 06, 2012, 11:17:32 pm
Go to DF.07\raw\objects\b_detail_plan.txt
Right click -> Copy
Open the succession game folder.
Go to DF.07\data\save\Succession\objects
Right click -> Paste
Post by: Eric Blank on April 07, 2012, 12:13:27 am
Post by: Garath on April 07, 2012, 09:08:40 pm
Post by: Graebeard on April 08, 2012, 01:03:51 am
Post by: Poindexterity on April 08, 2012, 02:50:05 pm
SKIP ME AGAIN!
I'M DONE!!!!
FUCK THIS
Post by: Eric Blank on April 08, 2012, 02:51:56 pm
Post by: Graebeard on April 08, 2012, 03:56:43 pm
Post by: Armeleon on April 08, 2012, 04:32:59 pm
Also, do you have an updated turn list going on somewhere? I'm just wanting to find out where we are
Post by: WillowLuman on April 08, 2012, 04:51:08 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 08, 2012, 08:03:24 pm
It seems like we're having a lot of problems with transferring saves and stuff like that. What would you guys think if instead of just uploading the save, we have the entire game zipped up and uploaded? That way you would have one DF version just for the succession fort and one for all your other crap. No one would have to worry about updating RAWs or anything like that. It's basically reinstalling DF but with the world already included.
Also, do you have an updated turn list going on somewhere? I'm just wanting to find out where we are
...BUT I DID BOTH!
I feel so ignored right now;/
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6120
There. Compressed everything, just un-compress and it should all work
Post by: Eric Blank on April 08, 2012, 10:57:19 pm
Post by: Armeleon on April 09, 2012, 01:40:08 am
It seems like we're having a lot of problems with transferring saves and stuff like that. What would you guys think if instead of just uploading the save, we have the entire game zipped up and uploaded? That way you would have one DF version just for the succession fort and one for all your other crap. No one would have to worry about updating RAWs or anything like that. It's basically reinstalling DF but with the world already included.
Also, do you have an updated turn list going on somewhere? I'm just wanting to find out where we are
...BUT I DID BOTH!
I feel so ignored right now;/http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6120
There. Compressed everything, just un-compress and it should all work
Really? You updated the turn list? Where is it?
And as far as graphics are concerned, I don't believe in anything but the default ASCII. Dwarf Fortress isn't supposed to be easy.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 09, 2012, 10:54:38 am
-snip-
Uploaded both the save and the entire game, un-modded and vanilla, and silly Armeleon, I am not the OP!
Post by: Eric Blank on April 09, 2012, 03:26:50 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 09, 2012, 03:38:30 pm
No, you would be the first reply. Poindexter is the OP, as the one that made the opening post.
I am not the OP!
:S
Post by: Eric Blank on April 09, 2012, 03:39:47 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on April 12, 2012, 08:07:07 am
Post by: Kassil on April 12, 2012, 08:41:07 am
Post by: Eric Blank on April 12, 2012, 04:51:50 pm
Okay, Kassil has been PM'd with the necessary downloads linked.
Post by: Kassil on April 12, 2012, 05:02:37 pm
I'll PM #4. We'll figure it out eventually...
Okay, Kassil has been PM'd with the necessary downloads linked.
>.>
Wait, what happened to Di?
Post by: Eric Blank on April 12, 2012, 05:08:42 pm
Post by: Kassil on April 12, 2012, 07:22:20 pm
The site is as follows.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Eric Blank on April 13, 2012, 10:42:49 am
Post by: Kassil on April 14, 2012, 09:42:01 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 15, 2012, 04:29:55 am
Post by: DS on April 18, 2012, 11:10:02 am
Post by: Spish on April 18, 2012, 11:15:12 am
Post by: Kassil on April 18, 2012, 11:16:34 am
Post by: Eric Blank on April 18, 2012, 02:38:30 pm
And here we thought 750 would be close enough to offer good resources to everyone...
No matter! There will be minecarts soon enough, and the potential for ‼traps‼ goes through the roof!
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 21, 2012, 03:35:18 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on April 21, 2012, 04:32:58 pm
Post by: Kassil on April 21, 2012, 08:58:22 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on April 21, 2012, 09:03:34 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on April 22, 2012, 03:53:07 am
Also, anyone ever gonna update the turnlist?will do it in time. Give my rage time to seethe away into melancholy, then to eventually subside to a low hum.
in time.
Post by: Spish on April 22, 2012, 09:46:47 am
Post by: Kassil on April 22, 2012, 04:57:03 pm
I'll edit this post and include the download link once it's ready.
EDIT: Okay, here it is: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6202
It's the full game download, so it's already 87-ish MB. Good luck to whoever's next.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 23, 2012, 08:32:50 am
Post by: Spish on April 23, 2012, 09:23:36 am
I'm gonna request my turn be pushed back to #12. I'm way too busy for this right now. :-\
I PM'd starshard0. I don't think he's gonna show up though.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 23, 2012, 08:03:02 pm
Should it go to Oliolli or do we want to give him another day?
Post by: Graebeard on April 23, 2012, 08:27:19 pm
Post by: DS on April 23, 2012, 09:08:46 pm
Sounds like we should keep things moving.
I agree.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 23, 2012, 09:29:20 pm
Hopefully by the time my turn coems around I can get a new harddrive. Mine's dying.
Post by: Oliolli on April 24, 2012, 11:20:00 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on April 25, 2012, 11:28:11 am
Post by: Oliolli on April 25, 2012, 01:40:26 pm
Spoiler: I have chosen my location. (click to show/hide)
(Just a friendly warning, if I don't get a complete change of wind, this fortress will become something of a deathtrap. So much of a deathtrap that I considered naming my fortress Rakust Kozoth. In english that would be "The Tomb of Horror")
Welcome to Råshīggal. Home of Arothīggalestân Råsh.
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 25, 2012, 02:46:39 pm
I somehow feel like the Tomb of Horror is an euphemism for adventurer pleasantville :P
Post by: Poindexterity on April 25, 2012, 11:45:26 pm
just be sure that if it is an in-escapable deathtrap, it should be marked as such in some way at some point.Spoiler: I have chosen my location. (click to show/hide)
(Just a friendly warning, if I don't get a complete change of wind, this fortress will become something of a deathtrap. So much of a deathtrap that I considered naming my fortress Rakust Kozoth. In english that would be "The Tomb of Horror")
Welcome to Råshīggal. Home of Arothīggalestân Råsh.
Post by: Oliolli on April 25, 2012, 11:48:46 pm
And I'm planning on making it so, that as long as no levers are pulled one shouldn't die in there.
Pretty much a place for adventurers to get euthanasia.
Post by: starshard0 on April 26, 2012, 06:22:02 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on April 26, 2012, 07:37:21 pm
Succession games seem to lose about 50% of all players to skipping/incomplete turns...
Post by: starshard0 on April 28, 2012, 06:00:46 am
Post by: Veetor on May 01, 2012, 12:56:11 pm
Post by: Garath on May 03, 2012, 12:41:46 am
Post by: Graebeard on May 03, 2012, 08:52:11 am
Post by: Oliolli on May 03, 2012, 12:40:17 pm
For any adventurers who plan on visiting Råshīggal, here's a tip: employ common sense when pulling levers. And some heavy duty paranoia.
Post by: Poindexterity on May 03, 2012, 08:12:54 pm
its time to make a decision.
are we gonna A) take nearly twice as long as we thought to finish this project
or B) tell the few who've already gone "tough titty" and the majority who have yet to go "scale down your megaproject ideas"
whaddayall think?
Post by: WillowLuman on May 03, 2012, 09:20:07 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on May 03, 2012, 10:42:57 pm
I'm still waiting for the turn list to be updated. Did I make it on the list?yes
Post by: DS on May 03, 2012, 11:14:12 pm
ok, so far everyone but one person wants a second turn.
its time to make a decision.
are we gonna A) take nearly twice as long as we thought to finish this project
or B) tell the few who've already gone "tough titty" and the majority who have yet to go "scale down your megaproject ideas"
whaddayall think?
I say: tough. The original turn length was ten days, and that's what we're sticking to. This isn't a series of megaprojects, it's a series of interesting forts to explore in adventure mode. The two are not the same.
Post by: Oliolli on May 03, 2012, 11:57:56 pm
So (A).
Post by: DS on May 04, 2012, 12:17:09 am
I say we accept this turning into an eternity project. Ten days per turn.
So (A).
Oh, after re-reading Poindexterity's post, I think I may have misread. People who have taken a turn, but want to be added to the end of the list, should be allowed to do so. So, still 10 days per turn, but if you want to add yourself to the end of the list (after completing your turn in the first place - no preemptively grabbing turns), you should be allowed to do so.
Honestly, I don't think this project will be completed before a version is released that is not backwards compatible, after which point interest in the project will fade, and a new succession world will likely be started.
Post by: Poindexterity on May 04, 2012, 12:57:00 am
good point. i vote for A then as well.I say we accept this turning into an eternity project. Ten days per turn.
So (A).
Oh, after re-reading Poindexterity's post, I think I may have misread. People who have taken a turn, but want to be added to the end of the list, should be allowed to do so. So, still 10 days per turn, but if you want to add yourself to the end of the list (after completing your turn in the first place - no preemptively grabbing turns), you should be allowed to do so.
Honestly, I don't think this project will be completed before a version is released that is not backwards compatible, after which point interest in the project will fade, and a new succession world will likely be started.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 04, 2012, 09:17:15 am
Post by: Poindexterity on May 04, 2012, 02:27:52 pm
(A) all the way! Repeat turns isn't such a big deal if you at least set something up the first time around that can be explored to a satisfying degree. Now if you tried to do something awesome and only acomplished 25% of your agenda and then had nothing for adventurers to screw with, you're just a jerk :Pindeed.
Post by: Phantom of The Library on May 04, 2012, 09:21:37 pm
Post by: Garath on May 06, 2012, 04:56:46 am
You heard it right, Scrapedrocks has finished it's all inclusive dungeon resort! grab the new save and go explore! On related news: 4 more forts have been added and 2 others have gotten some finishing touches. Enjoy!
something like that
Post by: Oliolli on May 06, 2012, 01:17:10 pm
The thing is still a WIP. While it may involve some obvious deathtraps, I must request addition to the end of the turn list.
If DFFD would just accept what I'm uploading...
"(??? / ??? KBytes)"
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 06, 2012, 01:29:44 pm
Post by: Oliolli on May 06, 2012, 01:33:42 pm
The thing is still a WIP. While it may involve some obvious deathtraps, I must request addition to the end of the turn list.
So yeah, here it is. (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6268)
Post by: DS on May 06, 2012, 02:06:07 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 06, 2012, 02:10:07 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 06, 2012, 04:37:08 pm
I don't see what's so hard about updating the save to 34.06/7. I did and it functions just fine. Guess it will just have to wait for my turn, though...
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 06, 2012, 06:03:27 pm
I don't see what's so hard about updating the save to 34.06/7
We're DF players. We can't do anything with just 3 clicks. Several hundred keyboard commands maybe... But using the mouse? You're out of your mind!
Post by: Poindexterity on May 06, 2012, 06:22:13 pm
Firing main PM cannon? :Pi nominate that your turn be next then.
I don't see what's so hard about updating the save to 34.06/7. I did and it functions just fine. Guess it will just have to wait for my turn, though...
Post by: Eric Blank on May 06, 2012, 08:38:05 pm
Also, my game is crashing upon tryign to start an adventurer. this happening for anyone else? ???
Post by: starshard0 on May 08, 2012, 01:09:47 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 08, 2012, 01:14:33 pm
Here's a pick, get diggin'
Post by: starshard0 on May 09, 2012, 09:40:12 am
For some reason I'm embarking as goblins. How do I fix that?
Post by: Oliolli on May 09, 2012, 10:24:55 am
Post by: starshard0 on May 09, 2012, 10:28:08 am
Anyways, my dwarfs have struck the earth. Let all who explore this place, Raptormirror, beware!
Post by: DS on May 09, 2012, 02:11:47 pm
If so... the timing honestly could not be better. I'll have just finished with the fiasco that is the end of my semester, and will have a block of free time before the summer really gets underway.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 09, 2012, 02:22:32 pm
Post by: starshard0 on May 09, 2012, 04:32:00 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on May 09, 2012, 05:06:10 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 09, 2012, 06:03:25 pm
Post by: DS on May 09, 2012, 09:58:08 pm
Btw starshard, what happened? Inquiring minds want to know.
EDIT:
Also, my game is crashing upon tryign to start an adventurer. this happening for anyone else? ???
I just tried, and it worked fine for me. Strange.
EDIT 2:
Where is the lair function in DFhack, in case I decide to retire my fort? I'm familiar with the "mode" utility, by which one simply switches to arena mode, takes possession of a unit, then switches to adventure mode and leaves/retires... is there another method I'm not aware of?
EDIT 3:
So, uh, has anyone else noticed this?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Garath on May 10, 2012, 12:22:23 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 10, 2012, 08:48:02 pm
Post by: DS on May 11, 2012, 12:51:12 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 11, 2012, 01:51:37 pm
Post by: DS on May 11, 2012, 04:25:22 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 11, 2012, 05:59:40 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Well, that is quite surprising
Post by: DS on May 11, 2012, 07:29:50 pm
Instead, I'm going to construct a goblin fortress.
Post by: Vodrilus on May 12, 2012, 07:15:50 pm
Any immigrant with Dabbling skills is guaranteed to be a refugee from some past failed fortress mode game and they will retain any positive or negative thoughts and even their ON BREAK status. Fortresses that fail spectacularly and are abandoned can become a serious drag on future fortresses when their inhabitants arrive at your new forts as shellshocked wrecks a hairsbreadth from tantruming. That's why when you want to abandon a fort that is hitting a spiral, consider ensuring that there are no survivors . ;)Apparently immigrants from older forts come as they are, so to speak. That is, with all the mental baggage they picked up in their previous home.
I'm not sure if this is news to y'all. However, I have a feeling that this enterprise has just gained another dose of *interesting*.
Post by: DS on May 15, 2012, 02:42:57 am
But, as of the completion of my turn, the save has exceeded 100 kilobytes, which is, of course, surpasses the limit of DFFD. Where will we continue hosting the save now?
Post by: Eric Blank on May 16, 2012, 12:33:19 am
Well that would only shave a few off the top. Oliolli's file, when extracted, is 492mb, the save itself is 423.
Post by: WillowLuman on May 16, 2012, 12:42:02 am
Post by: Eric Blank on May 16, 2012, 01:06:59 am
Actually the turn list needs to get occasional updates so we have a clue what's going on. I can't remember exactly who has and hasn't played. I know GIH, Loud Whispers, Oliolli, and now DS have, but did Spish? Or was his turn moved back to 12 as he asked?
Also, has anyone at all succeeded in exporting a biome+sites map of the world that we could use as a base for a map? I made one through a combination of the basic ASCII map and an elevation file, through photoshop. But that's still nowhere near as detailed as a proper biome+site map is.
Post by: Oliolli on May 16, 2012, 01:08:18 am
By the time this gets to me, we'll be sending a flash drive via post.
By Gizogin's turn, we'll be sending an entire 1 Tb hard drive around...
Post by: Poindexterity on May 16, 2012, 02:21:38 am
dangit, i'd hoped that if it happened, it'd be sum more dwarfy.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 16, 2012, 02:25:35 am
Post by: Armeleon on May 16, 2012, 06:21:23 pm
And does anyone know if minecarts will work with the succession? Or are we out of luck on that front?
Post by: Eric Blank on May 16, 2012, 06:30:38 pm
It's DS' turn, at least he hasn't posted the save, and Babylon would be next, followed by you.
Alright, here's the updated turn list. As far as I know...
I just messaged Babylon, since he's up next after DS and PMing people beforehand is somewhat more efficient.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: DS on May 16, 2012, 07:56:51 pm
Post by: Babylon on May 17, 2012, 12:04:31 am
Post by: Eric Blank on May 17, 2012, 12:15:17 am
MEGAEDIT;
Ok, Babylon, here are the fully updated RAWs. RAWs only.
http://www.mediafire.com/?8sz34q12s1dcs1r
Download that, and extract it to the data\save\[SUCCESSION WORLD SAVE HERE]\raw directory, and tell it to overwrite. Or delete the save's raw/objects folder then extract and it won't ask to overwrite. If it generates an errorlog (delete your errorlog.txt after changing the raws out and before loading the game, so we know the errors it's giving you are from after you implemented the new raws), copy/paste and post the contents of that errorlog for me.
Again, I didn't include the new [BENIGN] tags on the vaious birds and crap because they're already distributed to their respective biomes and that can't be changed post-generation.
Post by: Armeleon on May 17, 2012, 12:30:28 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: DS on May 17, 2012, 01:22:07 pm
Personally, I made conscious decision to avoid necromancer towers. The towers already pose a challenge to adventurers, so really the only reason a fort should be made in those areas is to somehow make necromancers more of a challenge. This is, of course, very doable, and I can see someone getting very creative in the process.
In light of the project's recent growth to a size no longer accepted by the DFFD, I went through and compared the size of the uploaded saves between turns. Below is a list of the saves and their sizes, as well as the implied added size of each fort. I was simply curious as to how my own efforts had added to the file's size - and, in light of these results, it seems inevitable that the file would have exceeded DFFD's 100mb limit eventually.
Original save: 41.38mb
GIH's save: 58.53mb (17.15)
LW's save: 76.06mb (17.53)
Kassil's save: 87.95mb (11.89)
Oliolli's save: 89.64mb (1.69)
My save: 103.21mb (13.57)
Post by: Oliolli on May 17, 2012, 01:31:38 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 17, 2012, 01:55:12 pm
Post by: Armeleon on May 17, 2012, 02:32:46 pm
Very cool map.
Personally, I made conscious decision to avoid necromancer towers. The towers already pose a challenge to adventurers, so really the only reason a fort should be made in those areas is to somehow make necromancers more of a challenge. This is, of course, very doable, and I can see someone getting very creative in the process.
This makes sense. I don't see myself setting up some megalithic fortress that will out-power a necromancer, so I think I'll stay away from the towers and keep with the trend. I guess we all have to play with adventuring in mind.
Post by: Babylon on May 18, 2012, 02:35:02 pm
Post by: orius on May 20, 2012, 08:55:45 am
Anyway, I'm watching the file size grow and it doesn't look promising. I'm not sure I'll be able to build anything if the file gets too big. But I'll have to wait until my turn eventually rolls around.
Post by: Babylon on May 21, 2012, 08:25:02 pm
I'm not ready to pass the save on just yet, but figure I should be ready, and it won't be long
Also, the king immigrated. I rememebr we weren't supposed to become a mountainhome, but he showed up without being invited, he's a vampire too. Anything in particular I should do to make sure I don't make too much of a mess by having him around?
Post by: Spish on May 21, 2012, 09:26:14 pm
Post by: Poindexterity on May 21, 2012, 11:21:45 pm
It won't really be a problem, considering we never settled on a single dwarf civilization. But if you can keep him alive and locked up till abandonment, it should be fine either way.try to abandon during a siege. Will make for an awesome "fallen mountainhome" sorta deal
Post by: Babylon on May 22, 2012, 12:11:34 am
It won't really be a problem, considering we never settled on a single dwarf civilization. But if you can keep him alive and locked up till abandonment, it should be fine either way.try to abandon during a siege. Will make for an awesome "fallen mountainhome" sorta deal
heh, can do.
The civ is the waning stockade, I guess it is done waning...
Post by: Edosurist on May 22, 2012, 02:00:42 am
Post by: Eric Blank on May 22, 2012, 06:51:16 am
When I upload, does it need to be with the program and all? Or is just the save file enough? Also, I am using phoebus graphics and .08, considering the speed of upgrade by Toady I doubt lazy newb will exist for .08 at all, how do I take the graphics off for the next person?
Waitwaitwait: You used graphics? You didn't install anything that requires RAW file changes right? If you did, you will have to restore it to the RAW set I uploaded or Armok knows what might happen.
Post by: Babylon on May 22, 2012, 06:12:05 pm
When I upload, does it need to be with the program and all? Or is just the save file enough? Also, I am using phoebus graphics and .08, considering the speed of upgrade by Toady I doubt lazy newb will exist for .08 at all, how do I take the graphics off for the next person?
Waitwaitwait: You used graphics? You didn't install anything that requires RAW file changes right? If you did, you will have to restore it to the RAW set I uploaded or Armok knows what might happen.
yeah, phoebus, it didn't change much, and I put the raws you uploaded on after it was already phoebused and it still had the graphics on it. I just can't deal with rectangular tiles and the smiley faces confuse me.
So to restore it should I delete the raws and replace them with the ones you uploaded?
Post by: Spish on May 22, 2012, 07:06:38 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 23, 2012, 05:32:07 pm
When I upload, does it need to be with the program and all? Or is just the save file enough? Also, I am using phoebus graphics and .08, considering the speed of upgrade by Toady I doubt lazy newb will exist for .08 at all, how do I take the graphics off for the next person?
Waitwaitwait: You used graphics? You didn't install anything that requires RAW file changes right? If you did, you will have to restore it to the RAW set I uploaded or Armok knows what might happen.
I put the raws you uploaded on after it was already phoebused and it still had the graphics on it.
Well that should be a fine order of operations then. Nothing to worry about. Try sending just the save, rather than the entire game.
I'll check out what 34.10 needs for raw changes, if any.
Post by: Babylon on May 28, 2012, 04:18:05 am
Thobthod, featuring a green glass tower and a rollercoaster of sorts. The drawbridge is up, but that's not the only way in.....
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6391
Post by: Eric Blank on May 28, 2012, 04:23:50 am
Is it a deathtrap? Can we visit? Would that spoil the fun? Are you going to continue it later if you get another chance? Could someone else embark there? huh? huh? huhuh?
:P I really need some sleep, but those questions are valid.
Post by: Babylon on May 28, 2012, 12:11:07 pm
Woo!
Is it a deathtrap? Can we visit? Would that spoil the fun? Are you going to continue it later if you get another chance? Could someone else embark there? huh? huh? huhuh?
:P I really need some sleep, but those questions are valid.
Not a deathtrap, but not exactly safe either. Not going to continue later, it's a bit of a one time trick fortress, so once someone visits it won't work the same. I'd prefer nobody else embark on the same spot.
Post by: Armeleon on May 28, 2012, 05:50:31 pm
EDIT:
I am having a problem. I downloaded the save game file and put it in my save folder of the DF game that I downloaded after Oliolli's turn. So I have two copies of the same game in the save folder. It should work just fine, but DF isn't reading the folder. It's formatted correctly and it looks like all the right files are there. Do I have to update the raws of the game so they match the raws of the save?
Post by: Eric Blank on May 28, 2012, 09:08:51 pm
Alright, there's no update to the raws for 34.10 but what changed in 34.09. So here:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And that should be it. Just changing a few numbers in text files.
Post by: Armeleon on May 28, 2012, 09:28:32 pm
EDIT:
I take that back. Nothing yet. I'll try downloading the most recent update, see if that works.
EDIT II:
No, that didn't work either. Has anyone else downloaded the world save and had it work for them?
Post by: Eric Blank on May 28, 2012, 10:11:36 pm
[Edit]
Any luck with that?
Post by: Armeleon on May 29, 2012, 10:00:53 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 31, 2012, 02:07:19 am
It worked! Thanks. Hopefully I can transfer over DF Hack, but if not I'll just get started. I'll take tomorrow to get some progress going, and give you guys updates as I go along.
Sweet! This should be good! :D
Post by: Armeleon on June 02, 2012, 12:42:55 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on June 02, 2012, 02:59:17 pm
Moving on to Spoony Bard I guess.
Oh gods, I jsut realized I don't have an amazing plan for my fort. ‼PANIC‼
Post by: A Spoony Bard on June 02, 2012, 03:02:08 pm
Post by: A Spoony Bard on June 03, 2012, 11:28:59 am
Post by: Eric Blank on June 03, 2012, 12:09:42 pm
Humans shouldn't be hard to play as, ignoring the blatant lack of steel. Can probably, maybe, use adamantine...
I dunno why those positions are being assigned automatically, though. Can't remember if that was intentional...
Post by: A Spoony Bard on June 06, 2012, 01:47:27 pm
Spoiler: Click for location (click to show/hide)
(Reclaim if you want to. If you want to explore with a canon adventurer (one who is going to be in the main save) only do so to clear out the monsters for reclaiming, please.)
Post by: Garath on June 06, 2012, 01:53:48 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on June 06, 2012, 01:57:52 pm
No plans prepared yet, but I hope I can find that embark again and nobody else took it. Was pretty awesome for constructing a horrendous deathtrap.
Also, we won't be doing any adventurers, as it was learned that that is a terrible idea because the adventurer creation list is already on the brink of crashing the game, and one retired adventurer will cause that to happen when the player views the bottom page on the list of possible species. And that's entirely my fault. :-[
[Alright, I've chosen my site and embarked, and pdated to 34.11. I hope this goes well and I can make something worth exploring for glory and death, but if Armeleon is ready to take his turn now he can and I'll do something else for the time being.]
Post by: Garath on June 16, 2012, 01:50:58 pm
Post by: Spish on June 18, 2012, 12:07:53 pm
Personally, I'm finding it hard to get excited for the succession world because DF2012 doesn't handle post-abandonment creatures nearly as well as 31.25 (no monsters spawn, all residents are randomly scattered outside or deep in the caves). It would be neat to have one of those active, retired dwarf fortress like Romancewhipped in the test world, but it's completely impossible in the current version. And I'm starting to think that the world is way too big and cumbersome for fortress-raiding to be fun (I mean, most adventurers will only ever be able to reach 1 fortress before dying in the wilderness... if they're lucky).
Not to mention I'd be surprised if our world is even compatible with the awesome update coming up, but that remains to be seen.
Post by: Eric Blank on June 18, 2012, 03:07:05 pm
Also, Garath, there currently are no adventurers retired, the game is crashing ebcause there are too many options for creating adventurers, as in too many species to play as an outsider with, so the game will crash if one ever were retired, putting them at the bottom of this list. If the next player tries to look at that last page on the list, the game crashes. So that's why we can't pass the save along with an adventurer being retired. Yes, this is all my fault and I feel terrible. No, there's nothing we can do but start over without quite as many adventurer options.
Post by: Spish on June 18, 2012, 06:07:28 pm
Has anyone reported the "Choose-your-Adventurer" crash yet? It's happened in more than just the succession world, in my experience.
Post by: Eric Blank on June 24, 2012, 06:35:43 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on June 24, 2012, 06:38:41 pm
Post by: Babylon on June 30, 2012, 09:28:37 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on June 30, 2012, 09:47:08 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on July 01, 2012, 10:58:28 am
Shit hit the fan anyway and I need to get rid of this thing before it goes down in a ‼(XXharddriveXX)‼, not to mention everything else that I'd ordain to salvage. It's a lot like choosing who deserves a seat in a lifeboat on the Titanic, right now.
I'll upload in a short while, because I have to transfer the file to a different computer via flash drive, due to technical difficulties.
I can also upload the save before it's abandonment (nothing else happened in the meantime, I just duplicated the save and abandoned the duplicate), if wheover's playing wants to finish an impressive maze and have a good portion of the work for basic setup of industries done for them already. There's some notes, and f1-f5 zoom to various components.
Either way it's completely open to reclaim, which should be relativelymess-free, and should be somewhat safe for adventurers... If you don't die in the dodge-pit trap. I don't think I opened the magma gate, so it shouldn't be full of magma, but it's still a ~10 story fall onto a retracting bridge. There's also a tower on the south-east corner that lets you in across the defensive trench if you approach from either corner. There's a pressure plate in front of a retracting bridge that is currently retracted, and at the bottom of the stairs on the interior side is another pressure plate to lower a drawbridge, accessing the fortress proper without going through the courtyard. Flying adventurers (harpies, cave swallow men...) will have even less problems.
Post by: WillowLuman on July 01, 2012, 01:12:54 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on July 01, 2012, 03:49:05 pm
Anyway, here's the save post-abandon.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6604
I left SPEED:0 in the dwarven laws from shear stupidity, but I'm not going to go and reupload it to change one line of code.
Erm, whoever is palying next may ordain to go to the save's RAW folder and open up body_default.txt, search for humanoid_armless, and under that entry locate where it says "left foot" and "right foot," and at the end of either line of code, add the [GRASP] tag. That way, harpy adventurers have the ability to pick things up. :P
Post by: Spish on July 01, 2012, 08:52:19 pm
Post by: Replica on July 02, 2012, 12:25:15 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on July 02, 2012, 09:17:23 pm
I just made an expedition to my own fort. Adventurer's name is Vuca Lurewhisper. She's a demigod harpy of absolutely incredible agility (1968 when unladen, around 1250 or so with the steel armor I nabbed on.) Being a harpy, and due to further negligence during planning, she initially had no weapons of any kind because she had no hands and couldn't hold anytihng with her feet. That's why I said to change the raws back there.
After solving that, I immediately set out to reach my fort. She actually started way down in the antarctic tundra, in a city in a desert called "the dunes of virginity."
Here's the full route I took, outlined in pink (full 4112x4112 pixels):
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The route, visibly, took her through many wonderful lands. And some not-so-wondrous ones. She died many times, leaving me to savescum. Mostly, it was goblin ambushes. Then eaten by some gaint crows. With a healthy mix of bogeymen and dingoes.
The entire way, the land was temperate at best, freezing at worst, and hunger and thirst were constant concerns. The Great Valley is truly a terrifying place for the unexperienced adventurer, as the land is flat, and rife with beasts. When there is liquid water to be found, it usually contains some manner of fish to torment you. There were also platypi and turtles.
Spoiler: kill list (click to show/hide)
As you can see, she killed quite a few bogeymen. Being able to fly was a massive advantage against them, as well as the dingoes.
After reaching my fortress, she discovered to her horror that the titan I'd locked up in a narrow passage was now in the middle of the halls. It murdered a companion she picked up at a fort nearby, then the Head Craftsman of my fortress. It took her a long damn time to kill it with just a silver shortsword, but afterwords she became a hero. A hero to EVERYONE. except the kobold civs those two kobolds she killed belonged to; they still hate her.
Spoiler: A hero to EVERYONE (big) (click to show/hide)
The entire trip took more than a month in-game, two days IRL, and I accidentally navigated my way past the pass into the inland sea, and nearly hit the northern ocean itself. Actually up until that point I didn't have a map anyway; I had been flying blind, and finally decided to duplicate and give in to starvation so I could export one, then very roughly traced her route in paint, and continued from that lake she was adjacent to and began traveling south, to my fort.
Notes on my fort itself:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So, where exactly are all the other forts? I intend to visit them all. :P
edit: update: The abstards gave Vuca the title "the Nude Lanterns!" What the hell, RNG.
Post by: Oliolli on July 03, 2012, 02:38:35 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Locations, locations, locations.
It would appear that you were quite close to Råshīggal. I think.
Post by: Eric Blank on July 03, 2012, 05:39:12 pm
Looks like there are twice as many fortresses to be accosted by terrible adventurers, now. Any idea where Ustresene is? I know where Osed Anil is (within a couple millimeters south-east of that necromancer tower, straight east of Ula Siga) and I found Azstrogzedan and Thadthob on the historical maps.
Neither Osed Anil nor Ustresene will show up on the historical maps until the next decade rolls around (they were both created in the 330's, after the last historical map update, another map won't be created until 340+), so locating it among all that ASCII in my exported map is going to be a pain in the ass.
Here is an ASCII map of the sites I've located with the historical maps (4112x4112 pixels, copy the link and view it in a new tab/window so you can actually see and navigate it all.):
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8656/successionworldfortress.png
I think I'll visit the other 5 that I've located but never seen before in the meantime (I've visited Ula Siga after GIH's turn). Vuca will have quite the adventure in her future...
Post by: Eric Blank on July 04, 2012, 03:20:19 pm
Poor Vuca got her leg ripped off by a sturgeon, only to find a crutch sitting outside on the ground at Rashiggal, and then to die within.
Ninginen was nowhere near as
Death awaitS was built into the front lawn for a reason, I presume :P
I'm not going to bother to savescum this time, as clearly I deserved this.
Post by: Oliolli on July 05, 2012, 01:18:14 am
Post by: Eric Blank on July 05, 2012, 10:51:49 am
She died because a lever dropped a block in her way, trapping her in a little alcove. That's not even fair... :P
Post by: Oliolli on July 05, 2012, 11:46:01 am
Råshīggal claims it's first victim!
Post by: Garath on July 05, 2012, 01:23:10 pm
Post by: Spish on July 11, 2012, 03:38:08 pm
In case you're curious, the original idea (back in 31.25, and what I was planning to do with Romancewhipped before I realized there were no goblins in that world) was to build a large, barony/county fortress and DFmode retire it at the start of a goblin siege, so that the adventurer would always arrive in the midst of a huge, bloody battle. You'd get to personally fight with highly skilled, mounted goblin warriors (as well as their general/demon leader), and any dwarves that happen to survive (or you personally saved) would be able to join you on your quest :]
Post by: Spish on July 19, 2012, 06:38:57 pm
(in retrospect, I really didn't)
Post by: Eric Blank on July 20, 2012, 02:21:36 am
Post by: Vodrilus on July 20, 2012, 03:49:40 am
Post by: Kofthefens on July 20, 2012, 11:18:23 am
Post by: WillowLuman on July 20, 2012, 12:57:36 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on July 24, 2012, 12:45:07 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on July 24, 2012, 05:38:06 pm
Post by: Oliolli on July 25, 2012, 04:23:59 am
unless you are one of the Tarn brothers.
Tarn brothers, eh? Adams Tarn and Zach Tarn?
ಠ_ಠ
Post by: Eric Blank on July 25, 2012, 03:18:53 pm
Except if you're using a version of DF older than the save, I think. Confirm that you're using 34.11, not 34.10 or below, and that the contents of the compressed archive were extracted to [your DF directory]/data/save?
Post by: Eric Blank on July 25, 2012, 03:39:51 pm
I guess we have to see if the next guy has issues saving it, then?
Post by: Vattic on July 26, 2012, 01:40:53 am
Post by: Eric Blank on July 26, 2012, 02:35:31 am
Post by: clockout1 on July 28, 2012, 07:45:07 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on July 28, 2012, 08:20:16 pm
Pm'd the next guy too...
Who skipped via PM.
Next!
Post by: Phantom of The Library on August 02, 2012, 07:28:41 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on August 02, 2012, 10:26:36 pm
Post by: Babylon on August 05, 2012, 12:37:14 am
Post by: Ghills on August 09, 2012, 05:39:01 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on August 09, 2012, 07:27:08 pm
Post by: Ghills on August 11, 2012, 11:24:41 am
I haven't actually had time to play DF much since 34.08, so goodness knows how this will turn out.
Post by: Ghills on August 16, 2012, 08:33:24 am
Post by: Eric Blank on August 16, 2012, 08:52:18 am
Post by: Ghills on August 18, 2012, 08:38:25 pm
I'm running out of time to spend on DF, so I'll be putting the save up in a day or so. In the rules it says that DFhack is only allowed by discussion - does that apply to retiring a fort too?
Post by: Spish on August 18, 2012, 08:46:00 pm
Post by: Ghills on August 29, 2012, 09:01:03 pm
The fort:
Kolisak had sand, a volcano, and (rumored) flux stone, making it a perfect spot for dwarves to settle. The defenses aren't fully up (I spaced things out to make the traps easier to avoid), but the dwarves of Kolisak did put up a few cage traps close in front of the gate. Metalworking hadn't progressed very far, since it seems that gold and copper were the only metals available. The gold-bin industry was doing quite well however. :)
Clothes, meals and crafts are most of the valuable exports, although some very nice bronze and steal weaponry were bought before the fort's end. Kolisak's location is engraved on the map below:
(http://tnypic.net/images/92229_thumb.png) (http://tnypic.net/92229.png.html)
Save game is here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6845
Post by: Eric Blank on August 30, 2012, 12:37:51 am
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 30, 2012, 12:39:09 am
Post by: Eric Blank on August 30, 2012, 01:34:32 am
Aren't cage traps disabled automatically?
They are? How embarassing :P
Where the hell did Poindexter run off to anyway?
Post by: Spish on August 30, 2012, 02:06:04 am
We should probably have someone more reliable start a new thread, with an organized, informative OP
Post by: ab00 on August 30, 2012, 09:15:18 am
Post by: Ghills on August 30, 2012, 10:50:02 am
Aren't cage traps disabled automatically?
They are? How embarassing :P
Where the hell did Poindexter run off to anyway?
Huh. Well, I checked the OP and didn't see anything about cage traps, so I added some in to try and catch some Giant Dingos. That kind of rule really should be in the OP. New thread time, I think.
Post by: Poindexterity on August 31, 2012, 12:30:08 am
i still lurk and watch. Very little of the out of game stuff makes any sense to me though.Aren't cage traps disabled automatically?
They are? How embarassing :P
Where the hell did Poindexter run off to anyway?
Post by: Poindexterity on August 31, 2012, 12:31:13 am
Poindex ragequit'd out of the leadership role after failing to get Dwarf Fortress to work so he could play his turn :Pfeel free.
We should probably have someone more reliable start a new thread, with an organized, informative OP
i tried to warn everyone when i first came up with this idea that i was entirely unprepared to deal with its massive scope.
I'm glad someone finally believes me.
Post by: WillowLuman on August 31, 2012, 01:03:27 am
Post by: Poindexterity on August 31, 2012, 02:53:30 am
But if we start a new thread, most everybody WILL lost track.This is also true.
I will be more proactive about updating things in the OP as they become brought up.
Post by: Eric Blank on August 31, 2012, 11:59:17 am
Post by: BFEL on August 31, 2012, 01:57:28 pm
>.>
<.<
even though mine prob won't come until the final version of DF goes live XD
Post by: Talvieno on August 31, 2012, 05:48:44 pm
even though mine prob won't come until the final version of DF goes live XDHeresy! Blasphemy! Sacrilege! Let us pray this never happens. :P
I'm still interested in this game (MFOW), if it can be pulled back from the brink. I really loved the idea and was looking forwards to seeing it happen.
Post by: BFEL on August 31, 2012, 10:01:49 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on September 01, 2012, 01:06:09 am
But yeah, it seems without someone updating the turn list and keeping things going, it's not gonna be going very fast at all. But then again one of the really fun things about succession games is hearing about all the crap that went wrong for whoever was playing, and so far nobody has done that. That has probably contributed to the lack of interest, I'd guess.
Post by: Rose on September 01, 2012, 01:25:52 am
Question: by restricted DFhack use, what do you mean by that? Is stonesense allowed? And also, will 50 turns ever happen?
Post by: Talvieno on September 01, 2012, 06:25:35 am
I agree with the turns. The original poster in a succession game needs to be able to enforce the rules (without sounding like a jerk, lol), and ensure that things keep moving. A little more structure in the OP doesn't hurt, either, as well as keeping track of who's played, and little details like how many forts each player made, and what their fort names were. It'd be cool to see how many forts 50 players could make... Though, realistically, probably only half of those would finish their turns.
Another thing that would help is encouraging players to take screenshots, rather than draw maps. While I admit that the latter would be more fun for roleplaying purposes, it's a bit more effort than a lot of people are willing to put into the game. If we manage to build even forty fortresses, it would be difficult to keep them all straight in your head, and having seen screenshots probably wouldn't matter anyway, unless you went and intentionally checked the thread for them while you were playing.
The reason I suggest this is that it would help keep the thread active. Another possibility is to point out that, unlike traditional succession games, it's completely fine to post stuff about your forts (stories, pics, etc.) after your turn is over. But these are just ideas.
50 turns would only happen, I think, if people were given exactly one week to repost the save. They could build as much as they wanted (and as many fortresses as they wanted) during that time, but they would have to give up the save exactly one week later or they'd be skipped. As far as I can tell, that didn't exactly happen with this thread... I think that was the original idea, though.
Also, I agree with Japa... I'd like to be able to see clearly in the OP what was modded in/out, and what the rules are, rather than go dig through a number of pages.
Post by: Eric Blank on September 04, 2012, 11:13:02 am
Post by: Fluffkind on October 02, 2012, 03:15:05 am
Post by: Spish on October 02, 2012, 02:51:10 pm
Methinks we shouldn't really bother with a turn list. First come, first serve; makes things a lot simpler, and that way we don't end up waiting several months for someone willing to play their turn, so things move faster. It's not like in succession fortresses where there is a limited number of years to go around.
Post by: WillowLuman on October 02, 2012, 08:13:55 pm
Post by: Pranz on October 06, 2012, 07:33:30 am
Methinks we shouldn't really bother with a turn list. First come, first serve; makes things a lot simpler, and that way we don't end up waiting several months for someone willing to play their turn, so things move faster. It's not like in succession fortresses where there is a limited number of years to go around.
I'm for. How about we only have a list of 3-4 people max, so you can only make it to the list if you can play in the nearest month.
Post by: orius on October 07, 2012, 12:11:36 am
I'm in some seious DF withdrawal here too.
Post by: Eric Blank on October 07, 2012, 02:12:30 am
Also, I know how you feel Orius; my personal computer has bit the dust, apparently with multiple components failing. I'm stuck on an ancient deathbox with 2gb total of RAM and no processing power; it constantly maxes out the RAM playing DF and I can't even load Skyrim or the construction set for it. Then when the antivirus decides to run, it murders all other programs, and it's ALWAYS trying to run a scan or something. Crappy antivirus programs are my arch-nemesis.
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 01, 2012, 06:11:25 am
Post by: Talvieno on December 01, 2012, 10:54:03 am
Post by: Spish on December 01, 2012, 11:13:04 am
Post by: Vodrilus on December 01, 2012, 11:23:05 am
Post by: ab00 on December 01, 2012, 11:26:55 am
Post by: Eric Blank on December 01, 2012, 02:25:36 pm
Should probably use a medium-sized world next time, and make sure wheover runs the thread has enough free time to actually do so.