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Dwarf Fortress => DF Gameplay Questions => Topic started by: ColonelTEE3 on August 06, 2007, 07:15:00 pm

Title: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: ColonelTEE3 on August 06, 2007, 07:15:00 pm

Title says most of my question, if a captured goblin thief were uncaged and set in front of, say, some demons, would he fight them? Because as i recall, goblin thieves never attacked anyone when they first come to a fort, they only come to steal children, but they never hurt anyone really, so are they actually capable of fighting at all?

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: Shzar on August 06, 2007, 07:22:00 pm

I tried pitting some goblin thieves against some lizardmen, and no, they did not fight. The thief merely sulked in a corner until I unlocked a door, when he ran out and was impaled by two champion marksdwarves standing by. Although, I should note, a different circumstance had a thief defend himself against a ratman who had gone beserk. Good fight, too. Very painful looking.

[ August 06, 2007: Message edited by: Shzar ]

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: puke on August 06, 2007, 07:22:00 pm

i dont know if they fought or not, but they sure as hell died.  i had well over a hundred goblins - including many thieves - set to fight the demons.  they got about four of them, i think.  couldnt rightly tell you if the thieves and master thieves did any damage, or just stood there and took it.

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: ColonelTEE3 on August 06, 2007, 08:42:00 pm

Hm, okay, thanks for the advice, i guess ill use them for some other purpose, perhaps a form of live game hunting for my in training marksdwarves... do i smell a safari?! :O!

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: Haedrian on August 07, 2007, 04:25:00 am

But But But... Geneva convention...

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: Deathworks on August 07, 2007, 05:22:00 am

Hi!

I am a bit confused. IIRC, traps won't affect thieves. So, how do you capture them alive?

Deathworks

P.S.: They would probably not be POW, but rather "unlawful combatants", so you can ignore any and all laws you have (^_^;;

[ August 07, 2007: Message edited by: Deathworks ]

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: IvanF on August 07, 2007, 09:03:00 am

I don't know about him but I got some goblin thieves during a kolbold thief raid. Kolbold ran right through the traps but the goblins didn't.

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: Jothki on August 07, 2007, 01:20:00 pm

Goblins are good at sneaking but will trip traps. Kobolds ignore traps but are awful at sneaking.

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: puke on August 07, 2007, 03:08:00 pm

goblin thieves usually dance past weapon and stone traps, but the cages nail them every time.

kobolds just ignore them all, but they have a tendancy to be mauled by wandering cows or kittens.

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: Asehujiko on August 07, 2007, 03:32:00 pm

Any given demon is capable of handling about 30-40 goblins head on assuming there are no archers. The resulting inferno is capable of handling an entire fortress however.

Crushbridges obliterate everything.

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: Deathworks on August 08, 2007, 04:45:00 am

Hi!

Thanks for the explanation. I have had only kobolds thus far and actually I don't like using cage traps (handling cages is a lot of work, and my dwarves somehow manage to have their hands full as is).

Mmmmhhh, so I should put some cage traps inside my fortress where goblin thieves would like to go while having other traps take care of everything else... Well, at least now I know what the chasm is good for - as I said, I don't like cages :) :) :)

Deathworks

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: Deathworks on August 09, 2007, 05:02:00 am

Hi!

I just had another thought - if they don't fight back, wouldn't they make good sparring partners/food for kittens/cats? You know, place them in an arena, somehow lock some cats/kittens in there with them before releasing them and then let the cats/kittens have their way with them... Free names for everyone!!

Well, but first I need to get a goblin thief (^_^;; (kobold thieves definitely fight, so they are no good)

Deathworks

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: Deathworks on August 14, 2007, 12:20:00 pm

Hi!

Well, Puke said that goblin thieves ignore weapon and stone traps ... well, at least those in my fortress don't. I just had my first goblin thieves. And they all died in my very first weapon trap. All three of them in the same square. And they didn't even trigger a single "interrupted by goblin thief", dying without anyone noticing... Oh well, I guess I have to find some other use for the four silver cages I have made for protection (^_^;;

I also had the most cowardly kobold thief ever - he got discovered when he came across a wild fox (!?) within the screen of the left border. It seems that the fox wasn't pleased and chased the kobold away, who left without even getting anywhere near the fortress or any loot (^_^;;

Deathworks

Title: Re: Will POW goblin thieves fight ?
Post by: Ryke Masters on August 17, 2007, 02:17:00 pm

Ah, yeah, thieves being chased away and even killed by wild animals happens all the time. Just in my current fortress I must have had somewhere between 10 and 20 kobold thieves who got mauled by leopards/cougars/tigers on the very east end of the map before any of them actually got near my fortress.