Post by: Il Palazzo on August 26, 2012, 09:49:28 am
Visitors, feel free to vote for your favourites.(votes can be changed)
THE SETUP
ERA: Late Age
MOD: Forbidden Friendship 2.1 (http://www.proactiveapathy.com/dom3/mods/Forbidden2_1.zip)
MAP:World of Warhammer Redux (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=47976&highlight=World+Warhammer) - original download link, needs renaming to world_of_warhammer_redux.tga/.map
Already renamed files here (http://www.mediafire.com/?y154yjh9mhmciwn)
(7z archiver (http://www.7-zip.org/))
OTHER:
HoF entries: 15
Renaming: on
Hosting period: 48h
Players:
Atlantis, Frozen Sea - Waterplouf (previously TempAcc)
Utgård, Well of Urd - Shadowgandor
Abysia, Blood of Humans - Boksi
Ermor, Ashen Empire - a1s
Jomon, Human Daimyos - Korbac
R'lyeh, Dreamlands - Ibn Palazzo
Midgard, Age of Men - Bluerobin
Gath, Last of the Giants - EuchreJack
Pangea, New Era - Karlito
Previous rounds: 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=44348.msg849721#msg849721), 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=46012.msg908706#msg908706), 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60235.msg1357467#msg1357467), 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=63361.0), 5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65222.0), 6 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72919.msg1797235#msg1797235), 7&7.5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=103575.0), 8 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=112126.0)
Spoiler: Standard info on Dominions 3 for the uninitiated (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: How does MP work? (click to show/hide)
Useful links:
The wiki (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Main_Page), with loads of useful information, including strategy guides. Keep in mind that as a unit/spell/item reference might not be compatibile with modded game data.
Dom3 on Shrapnel Forums (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/forumdisplay.php?f=138)
Llama Server (http://www.llamaserver.net/), which is the automatic hosting server for our game.
Llama Server's map and mod browser (http://www.llamaserver.net/mapModBrowser.cgi)
Post by: Boksi on August 26, 2012, 09:56:35 am
And I might very well name my pretender Global Warming. Man, why didn't I think of that?
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 26, 2012, 10:01:04 am
Post by: Korbac on August 26, 2012, 10:12:18 am
MA : Jot
LA : Bogarus / Jomon.
Post by: Boksi on August 26, 2012, 10:19:19 am
I'll just call dibs on MA Ulm. It's time for a one-trick pony.I'd like to note that the current version of CBM makes them seriously overpowered. No, really. I'm not joking. I'm perfectly serious.
Their priests get spells that paralyze undead, paralyze demons, paralyze magic beings, grant 50% resistance to a given element, or duplicate legions of steel. They get good SCs and thugs and cheap equipment for said SCs and thugs. And their infantry is actually good. Oh, and their cap-only units absolutely murder sacred units.
Here's a link to a discussion about it. (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=48451)
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 26, 2012, 10:38:59 am
Quote
Level 0 forge of the ancients.LOL!
You're right, they no longer seem to be quite the same nation I remember.
Oh, well, I'll look for something else. Maybe Machaka?
Post by: Boksi on August 26, 2012, 10:41:02 am
You could also try that Dominions Enhanced mod, which changes things in a different way. Unless you're dead set on CBM.QuoteLevel 0 forge of the ancients.LOL!
You're right, they no longer seem to be quite the same nation I remember.
Oh, well, I'll look for something else. Maybe Machaka?
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 26, 2012, 10:50:42 am
Post by: Korbac on August 26, 2012, 11:03:50 am
Ulm be crazy.
Post by: TempAcc on August 26, 2012, 11:47:47 am
If we go late age, I'd like to have atlantis. I also might have a friend who's interested in joining a MP game for the first time.
Post by: a1s on August 26, 2012, 05:27:48 pm
I'll take LA Ermor for some zombie apocalypse fun.
Post by: Shadowgandor on August 26, 2012, 05:44:59 pm
For EA, I'd like to take Niefelheim. MA I don't know yet and LA I'd like to take R'lyeh.
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 26, 2012, 06:25:31 pm
descriptions (or better yet some sort of wiki)wiki:
http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Main_Page
The regular dom3 wiki, it does sport a link to CBM's unit/spell/item browser.
dom3 on Shrapnel forums:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/forumdisplay.php?f=138
Some mods downloads. Incluiding:
CBM 1.92
Forbidden Friendship 2.1
Other People's Mods v.4
[download links for both here: http://www.proactiveapathy.com/dom3/mods/mods.html]
Dominions Enchanced 0.13
[download link here: https://sites.google.com/site/dominionsenhancedmod/home/dominionsenhanced_alpha_0_13.zip?attredirects=0&d=1]
Llamaserver's map and mod browser:
http://www.llamaserver.net/mapModBrowser.cgi
The mod links are mostly for downloading and trying them out, as concise descriptions are quite hard to find.
Generally speaking, CBM is currently the most balanced one, while those other mentioned above are more fun/extreme/overpowered. They all don't differ that much, as they tend to be based off each other.
Best thing to do is to load a mod and see how the nation of your choice looks like in it.
Post by: a1s on August 26, 2012, 06:40:11 pm
Best thing to do is to load a mod and see how the nation of your choice looks like in it.I'm doing that (played Forbidden Friendship 2.1 LA:Ermor, now I'm playing er... whoever has the goatheaded giants in the Early Age.) I was just hoping there would be a good analysis. Oh well, back to conquering the world, I guess.
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 27, 2012, 11:31:39 am
TempAcc, what about that friend of yours? Is (s)he going to play?
Post by: TempAcc on August 27, 2012, 02:41:36 pm
Post by: TempAcc on August 28, 2012, 09:51:18 am
Post by: Bluerobin on August 28, 2012, 03:07:02 pm
Post by: TempAcc on August 28, 2012, 03:26:21 pm
Post by: Boksi on August 28, 2012, 05:00:46 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 28, 2012, 05:03:10 pm
I'll put a poll on to find out which mod we shall use.
Post by: Bluerobin on August 28, 2012, 06:02:25 pm
Dominions Enhanced hasn't been expanded to cover Late AgeYeah, that's important. Looks like Forbidden Friendship will be the way to go again.
I don't think I've ever actually played Late Age... gah, that makes it more tempting. Well, I'll keep an eye on the thread and poke around LA nations and if you end up wanting/needing another I might join in.
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 29, 2012, 09:06:04 am
Time to choose a map.
Have a go at it, I've got no preference.
Post by: TempAcc on August 29, 2012, 09:45:09 am
Post by: Karlito on August 29, 2012, 10:44:04 am
Post by: Boksi on August 29, 2012, 02:35:17 pm
Also, is anyone interested in some special settings? Like, I dunno, graphs off or higher magic site frequency or something?
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 29, 2012, 02:43:42 pm
Post by: Boksi on August 29, 2012, 03:11:22 pm
If anything, I'd be interested in LOWER magic site frequency. It is Late Age after all, and what's the point of making the game look like Early after a while anyway?That's fine with me as well.
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 29, 2012, 03:34:23 pm
Parganos maybe?(116+19)
Post by: EuchreJack on August 29, 2012, 03:43:03 pm
Good luck everyone in this epic battle. I was going to jump into the next offered game, but this one filled up too quickly.
Eh, I should probably be looking for work anyways. :P
Post by: TempAcc on August 29, 2012, 04:16:31 pm
Also, forbidden friendship is a combination of the awesome mods (awesome gods, endgame, heroes, etc), the latest CBM and dominions enhanced (I think), slightly tweaked and put togheder by somethingawful goons. Its sort of ridiculous in some ways, but pretty fun overall, and seems to make weak nations viable while keeping the powerful ones from becoming absurd.
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 29, 2012, 04:22:24 pm
By the way, what is the Forbidden Frendship mod? I can't seem to find a description anywhere.There's still room! And you need something to look forward to while you're jobhunting.
Good luck everyone in this epic battle. I was going to jump into the next offered game, but this one filled up too quickly.
Eh, I should probably be looking for work anyways. :P
Post by: EuchreJack on August 29, 2012, 08:53:50 pm
While I really think the player number is at what I invision as capacity, you certainly make a compelling argument. Jobhunting does suck, royally.By the way, what is the Forbidden Frendship mod? I can't seem to find a description anywhere.There's still room! And you need something to look forward to while you're jobhunting.
Good luck everyone in this epic battle. I was going to jump into the next offered game, but this one filled up too quickly.
Eh, I should probably be looking for work anyways. :P
I'll look and see if you dwarves left me any of the good nations to play...
Il Palazzo, would you mind putting the player nations next to their names?
Here is what I can piece together:
TempAcc: Atlantis or Caelum, but probably Atlantis because of the 10% water demand and realization Caelum isn't effected by benefits in LA (chose one!)
Boski: Abyssia (has chosen fire)
a1s: Ermor (has chosen to die first)
Shadowgandor: R'lyeh (has chosen to die second)
Korbac: Bogarus/Jomon (chose one!)
Il Palazzo: Mackaka/Ulm, probably neither because I don't think mackaka is playable LA and regretted Ulm as overpowered (chose something!)
EuchreJack: Gath (has chosen the weakest giants still in existence, confirmed interest)
Post by: Bluerobin on August 30, 2012, 01:42:56 am
Post by: Korbac on August 30, 2012, 02:16:39 am
Obvious pretender / prophet name is Samurai Jack, I will see if I can come up with anything better.
Post by: Shadowgandor on August 30, 2012, 07:17:06 am
Edit: I know I picked R'lyeh first but I've never done really well with R'lyeh, I just like the nation itself. I think I'd do better with Well of Urd :)
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 30, 2012, 08:30:04 am
However, in FF they have this ritual that seems a good bit overpowered.
Daughters of Echidna summon 4 hydras for mere 12 nature gems. That's 1000gps worth of units. Not to mention they're no longer capital-only, and no longer gold income-dependent.
Add to that the Divine Emperor chassis, which makes 4x8 strong bless possible, and this is getting kinda silly.
Bah, I'll take R'lyeh.
Post by: Boksi on August 30, 2012, 09:42:55 am
I'm tempted to take Pythium.Well, you must also consider the following: When do they get the ritual? How easily can they cast it? How valuable are those nature gems, ie are they rare or do you need them for other purposes? I thought you wanted to do very low site frequency, after all, so capital income is important. Will the upkeep for the Hydras kill your income? And how costly is it to take a Divine Emperor and a big bless? Keep in mind that he gets a negative magic boost to every path, so he won't be a massive powerhouse caster like usual bless vessels.
However, in FF they have this ritual that seems a good bit overpowered.
Daughters of Echidna summon 4 hydras for mere 12 nature gems. That's 1000gps worth of units. Not to mention they're no longer capital-only, and no longer gold income-dependent.
Add to that the Divine Emperor chassis, which makes 4x8 strong bless possible, and this is getting kinda silly.
I'll admit to not knowing much about Pythium, though.
In other news, I've managed to trim excess weight off my Abysia strategy and managed to reach my SUPAR SECRIT GOAL in the late spring of year 2. I forgot to change research direction, but I could have reached IMPORTANT RESEARCH MILESTONE 3 soon after.
Post by: TempAcc on August 30, 2012, 09:51:02 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 30, 2012, 09:52:09 am
Unless you'd like to try the World of Warhammer map (http://dom3maps.wikidot.com/system:worldofwarhammer).
Post by: Bluerobin on August 30, 2012, 12:26:10 pm
1) I really like the look of that World of Warhammer one, but the defined starts make me nervous just because I don't know how the balance/spacing will be.
2) How many provinces per player should we shoot for? Shadowlands (the one Round 8 is playing on) has 15 provinces per person (not including the water provinces) and seems to be decent size, but one that led to wars pretty quickly. If we want a potentially gentler start we can go with something like the World of Warhammer map and get ~22 per person or go full big empire with the Glory of the Gods map and get ~35 per person.
3) Wraparound is double edged. It's nice that no one has an advantage from happening to start next to a map edge, but it's a bit sad to not be able to start next to a map edge. Urraparand has a decent number of mountain and water-enforced choke points, but you still feel a lot more open and constantly surrounded than you do on on a map with edges.
I'm gonna vote for the Warhammer one just because it looks like a lot of thought was put into it, plus it's new and different. My second vote would probably be for Cradle of Dominions or Glory of the Gods because I've never played on a map that big.
Edit: Also, I'd be happy to do a map analysis (open it up and take pictures of things of interest like special features/weird neighbor connections, where nations start, maybe point out the provinces tagged for high numbers of magic sites?) of the Warhammer if you guys think that'd be useful. It'd have to wait for about 6 hours until I get home and get time to do it, but it'd be fun for me and honestly I'll probably end up doing it for myself regardless.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 30, 2012, 12:38:01 pm
Bah, I'll take R'lyeh.
Considering that we'll all be gunning for you from the start regardless of your nation choice, picking R'lyeh has no disadvantage for you. :P
I really don't know how to "Play" any of these nations, esp. with the mod, but what the hell, that's what the wiki's for right? Jomon.
Obvious pretender / prophet name is Samurai Jack, I will see if I can come up with anything better.
There is no better name. Although, you could go "God Aku, Prophet Samurai Jack" and mix things up uncannonically like most mod nations.
I have no real plans with either atlantis or caelum, but I'm more used to atlantis so no zoroastrian birdmen for now. Atlantis it is.
I was hoping that you'd chose Atlantis. Somebody has to kick R'lyeh out of the sea. You can expect great support from me, provided you keep to the sea.
Alright, I think I'd like to jump in if the list is only 7 people so far. If an 8th seems reasonable I'd like Midgard.
Welcome aboard Bluerobin!
Post by: Bluerobin on August 30, 2012, 12:46:07 pm
Just from some initial poking and reading a bit of the Warhammer map thread on the Shrapnel forums it looks like there are a number of special neighbor connections (including cave provinces and ways to get past water provinces) that could make the map interesting.
Edit: Oh and the map's older than Gath, apparently, so it doesn't have a defined starting province.
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 30, 2012, 01:13:57 pm
I've found a more balanced(and with nicely subdued colours) version:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=47976&highlight=World+Warhammer
The starting provinces are (mostly?)gone, and the large expanses of wastelands have been trimmed to provide more balanced income for those who do start there.
You HAVE to rename the one of the .tga files from that .7z file for the map to work. It should be "world_of_warhammer_redux_muted.tga" instead of "world_of_warhammer_redux muted.tga"
Post by: Bluerobin on August 30, 2012, 01:59:01 pm
Post by: Doctor Blood on August 30, 2012, 02:42:29 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on August 30, 2012, 02:46:57 pm
Edit: Wow, that was some seriously screwy copy/pasting on my part.
Post by: Boksi on August 30, 2012, 04:15:47 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on August 30, 2012, 04:25:30 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 30, 2012, 04:41:18 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on August 30, 2012, 04:49:32 pm
Post by: TempAcc on August 30, 2012, 05:53:06 pm
Post by: Karlito on August 30, 2012, 08:23:19 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on August 30, 2012, 09:13:11 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on August 30, 2012, 09:15:15 pm
Edit: Oh, do we want to go with the normal redux map or the muted one? The normal one seems to be desaturated enough that the map shouldn't be too distracting, but the muted one might help even more. I don't have much of an opinion myself.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 30, 2012, 09:24:27 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on August 30, 2012, 09:51:29 pm
Hmm... I really like the pretender I have set up. Actually I'm a pretty big fan of Midgard in general. I've stayed away from the norse-inspired nations thus far for some reason (I think the giants scared me off), but that may have been a mistake. That's not saying I think I could actually win or that I'm any good with them necessarily, but it's a fun nation/pretender combo. Also, this map is a little odd and the cave systems are going to be an interesting twist.
Post by: a1s on August 31, 2012, 03:43:43 am
a1s: Ermor (has chosen to die first)Well, you know what they say, "Early to die, early to rise makes a lich healthy, wealthy and ruling the world."
I'm not sure if I'm going with a master lich yet, but it looks like a good idea.
Post by: TempAcc on August 31, 2012, 10:24:20 am
Also, LA atlantis has a tendency of starting in a land province, so if you see me heading towards the sea.. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iOpUdsMeqM)
Post by: Karlito on August 31, 2012, 04:11:35 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on August 31, 2012, 04:22:49 pm
But you can't have my capital province.
But, I always thought LA Atlantis started on a coastal land province.
I just wanted to publicize my vote from the above poll: Even though we all will be gunning for him from day one, I still predict that Il Palazzo will win. He is just that good.
Oh, and I'm also honored by my poll title. It's probably the most flattering of them all.
Searching the "Other" Dominions 3 forum, I found this gem (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=131). Good times.
Post by: Shadowgandor on September 02, 2012, 08:14:52 am
Post by: Karlito on September 02, 2012, 11:19:38 am
Post by: Neonivek on September 02, 2012, 11:21:05 am
Post by: TempAcc on September 02, 2012, 11:26:05 am
Playing a test game with a new Pretender design, and Ermor's capital started three provinces away from my own. :'(
RUSH IT LIKE AN ANGRY BULLDOZER. Ermor is pretty vulnerable early on anyway :P
I just changed my pretender design for atlantis because the one I had in CBM simply doen't work that well in this mod. It'll probably be much less interesting in the late game :C
Post by: Karlito on September 02, 2012, 06:36:11 pm
RUSH IT LIKE AN ANGRY BULLDOZER. Ermor is pretty vulnerable early on anyway :PThey were more of an annoying setback than a legitimate threat, since though they could not defeat my mighty fist of an army in battle, they also had like 5 other armies that were rampaging through my lands while I tried to take out their capital. Plus I had to divert commanders from research, which is bothersome for a test game.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 03, 2012, 01:32:01 am
Finally hearing something about a Immortal Pretendor not being a terrible waste of time by overcompensation.
Searching the "Other" Dominions 3 forum, I found this gem (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=131). Good times.
Refering to the above maybe? Yeah, if you wanted the paths anyways, an Immortal Pretender can be nice. Basically a supercombattant, just remember never to retreat (retreating can trigger a nasty bug that kills the immortal).
Post by: TempAcc on September 03, 2012, 09:54:41 am
Ermor
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Gath
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R'lyeh
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Abysia
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Atlantis
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Jomon
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Utgard
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Midgard
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Pangaea
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Post by: Karlito on September 03, 2012, 11:40:32 am
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Post by: Korbac on September 03, 2012, 11:43:48 am
Post by: TempAcc on September 03, 2012, 08:16:06 pm
Anyway, someone wrote a very in depth and interesting analysis on dom3 regarding gath/hinnom/ashdod. (http://www.gameology.org/node/1642)
Post by: EuchreJack on September 03, 2012, 10:20:10 pm
Alright, the gig's up! Who picked me in the poll? >:(
Eh, it was probably someone that just saw "Japanese Porn Industry" and said, "Yes Please". I doubt it counts as an actual vote of support. :P
I didn't, I voted for karlito :P
Anyway, someone wrote a very in depth and interesting analysis on dom3 regarding gath/hinnom/ashdod. (http://www.gameology.org/node/1642)
Thanks, but I already figured out the Giants were the Philistines. The three eras represent the three eras of Philistine power: Philistine Dominance (Himmon), Philistine-Hebrew Civil War (Ashdod), Philistine Subversion (Gath).
The timeline goes: Everything prior to Saul -> Philistine Dominance; Saul and David -> Civil War; The Perversion of Solomon and most future Hebrew Kings -> Philistine Subversion.
Since I'm most familiar with Gath, I'll restrict my further theories on comparing Gath to Israel post-David. The Philistines have been defeated, and the Israelies control the country. In Gath, the Giants are few in numbers. Instead of engaging in open warfare, Philistine women seduce Israeli Kings into abandoning worship of their God and into worshiping the Philistine gods. In Gath, the population generally worships the religion of the Giants.
At least that is my theory. And since I'm playing Gath this round, my theory must be right, at least until I'm wiped off the face of the World of Warhammer, at which point everyone can speculate until The One True Pancreator vanquishes the survivors and imposes whatever history upon Gath that they like.
So, it is safe to say that the true history of Gath will probably be that they were created as giant clowns to keep the Throne of Heaven amused. :P
EDIT: However, I'll appropriate a sentence from the article for propaganda purposes: "In Dom 3, no-one is objectively “good,” but, by comparison to R'lyeh and Ermor (and Pangaea), it is at least life-affirming."
Trust Gath. Don't trust R'lyeh, Ermor, or Pangaea (although why the author lumps Pangaea with Ermor and R'lyeh, I can't say).
EDIT 2: Ok, Pangaea's added because of Carrion Woods, where the forest rises up to kill us all. But we should all know when the game begins whether or not Pangaea has chosen such a path (and respond accordingly).
Post by: Karlito on September 04, 2012, 06:27:04 am
Post by: TempAcc on September 04, 2012, 10:09:02 am
Alright, the gig's up! Who picked me in the poll? >:(
Eh, it was probably someone that just saw "Japanese Porn Industry" and said, "Yes Please". I doubt it counts as an actual vote of support. :PI didn't, I voted for karlito :P
Anyway, someone wrote a very in depth and interesting analysis on dom3 regarding gath/hinnom/ashdod. (http://www.gameology.org/node/1642)
Thanks, but I already figured out the Giants were the Philistines. The three eras represent the three eras of Philistine power: Philistine Dominance (Himmon), Philistine-Hebrew Civil War (Ashdod), Philistine Subversion (Gath).
The timeline goes: Everything prior to Saul -> Philistine Dominance; Saul and David -> Civil War; The Perversion of Solomon and most future Hebrew Kings -> Philistine Subversion.
Since I'm most familiar with Gath, I'll restrict my further theories on comparing Gath to Israel post-David. The Philistines have been defeated, and the Israelies control the country. In Gath, the Giants are few in numbers. Instead of engaging in open warfare, Philistine women seduce Israeli Kings into abandoning worship of their God and into worshiping the Philistine gods. In Gath, the population generally worships the religion of the Giants.
I don't believe Hinnon/Ashdod/Gath follow the precise moments in israelite history as much as it is based on passages from the book of enoch though. The historical elements take a backseat to the apocriphal text, which describes the elements behind hinnom (the sin of the watches and the birth of the nephilim) and ashdod (redemption from the blood cult and the merkavah). Algo, Gath describes the city from which goliath was said to be from, meaning it has barely entered the david era and the israelites are still not in power, despite having a much more significant presence.
He makes an interesting point in the essay describing the heretical Abbas priests from the late age as early abrahamic cultists who condemn the worship of the grigori, the nephilim and gods like baal/dagon and seek the convert the people.
Anyway, dom3 doesn't really follow either interpretation completely. The description on hinnom's units contains hints of a possible reference to the phillistine-hebrew war, and at the same time gath doesn't fit on the narrative of the book of enoch either. I prefer to go with the GIANT JEWS OMG interpretation.
But awesome dom3 interpretations of history/mythology aside, I guess we didn't start cause boxy and il p aren't back yet. I wanna thrust phallic objects made of ice into things >:C
Post by: Boksi on September 04, 2012, 11:28:55 am
Anyone know what kind of mythology Abysia is based on? I can place every other nation that's playing in this round, but I don't really know what Abysia is based on, if they're even based on anything. I mean, they're pretty fantastical like the Caelians, but even then Illwinter managed to stick some Zoroastrianism into the Caelians when they made Dom3.
Post by: Karlito on September 04, 2012, 12:09:38 pm
Quote from: THE ALL-MIGHTY MANUAL
Abysia does not have any clear inspirational sources. Malign devil-worshipping empires of the fantasy genre combined with some ancient Middle Eastern concepts, perhaps.
Post by: Boksi on September 04, 2012, 01:23:33 pm
I have no idea where my copy of that thing has gone. I haven't seen it in two years. So thanks for clearing that out.Quote from: THE ALL-MIGHTY MANUALAbysia does not have any clear inspirational sources. Malign devil-worshipping empires of the fantasy genre combined with some ancient Middle Eastern concepts, perhaps.
Post by: TempAcc on September 04, 2012, 01:24:28 pm
If you examine caelum's eras and compare them to the rise and fall of zoroastrianism, you can make both historical and mythological parallels. The Zoroastrians were eventualy beaten by the muslims, which is represented in dominions 3 by the raptor clan comming back and taking over, causing the bodies to be buried underground rather then left on towers of silence, "harab" elders, etc.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 04, 2012, 03:29:53 pm
We could start the game, but I'm having problems with setting it up on llamaserver. This particular WoW map hasn't been uploaded onto the server. There appears to be only WorldofWarhammerSquirellEdition(which is the actual balancing basis of the redux maps), but it's the dead seas version, which the Starspawns and Atlanteans don't like.
I can't really upload it myself, as my internet connection is really crappy and I can't reliably do much.
I need a volunteer to do it for me.
Whomever ends up uploading the map, should rename the files to contain no spaces(otherwise the sever won't accept them), and include a link to these renamed files in the map description, so that people can use it without wondering what exactly do they need to do to make it work.
Also, I believe(although am not 100% sure), that it doesn't matter which graphical version of the muted map we upload/tell the server to use. The .tga files appear to be just backgroung images for the .map file, so at least in my mind it shouldn't make any difference if some of us use the more muted one, while others use the one more saturated, as long as the .tga files are named the same.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 04, 2012, 03:35:47 pm
Post by: TempAcc on September 04, 2012, 04:12:26 pm
Its pretty easy though, all you need is to send him an email with the game's specifications, your mod file of preference and map of choice.
If you're willing to contact him about it, his email is
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And here's a bunch of quick guides on how to request a game on his server. (http://www.dom3minions.com/HostingGames.htm)
Example of a game request form:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
We should prob stick to llamaserver though, its better for HUEG longlasting games and what we agreed with in the first place.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 04, 2012, 04:25:15 pm
Post by: TempAcc on September 04, 2012, 04:28:31 pm
Which maps you'd like uploaded? Both the normal and muted version with names changed to remove all the spaces?
EDIT: I just uploaded the World of Warhammer Redux map.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 04, 2012, 04:32:37 pm
world_of_warhammer_redux.map
and one of the .tga files(whichever you want, I suppose it doesn't matter) to:
world_of_warhammer_redux.tga
Post by: TempAcc on September 04, 2012, 04:33:41 pm
Post by: TempAcc on September 04, 2012, 04:39:23 pm
EDIT: Does llamaserver also need the TGA? Apparently it only uses the .map file and the you use whichever .tga you want as long as it has the same name as the map file.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 04, 2012, 05:39:03 pm
TempAcc, can you upload these same two files(zipped would be best) onto some filesharing server and PM me the link?
Post by: TempAcc on September 04, 2012, 07:07:34 pm
Anyway, i'll put them in a zip and upload it now.
EDIT: Sent.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 04, 2012, 07:32:06 pm
Edit: Also, I keep getting mages named Gandalf in my test games.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 04, 2012, 08:54:03 pm
Post by: Korbac on September 05, 2012, 02:34:47 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 05, 2012, 08:28:44 am
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound9
The game name is "Bay12GamesRound9"
I've left all the settings at default, except for hall of fame=15(which is practically default anyway).
You can send in your pretenders.
Just a heads-up, I might not be able to submit my turns regularly for the upcoming month or so. That's why I'm going to set the hosting time to ~48h for that time period. Hopefully I'll be able to send them in faster than that, but you should be aware of the possibility of delays.
Sorry for that, guys.
Post by: Boksi on September 05, 2012, 08:59:30 am
The game is here:I'm fine with the delay, but I thought you were going to reduce site frequency as well. Well, I'm fine with it either way.
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound9
The game name is "Bay12GamesRound9"
I've left all the settings at default, except for hall of fame=15(which is practically default anyway).
You can send in your pretenders.
Just a heads-up, I might not be able to submit my turns regularly for the upcoming month or so. That's why I'm going to set the hosting time to ~48h for that time period. Hopefully I'll be able to send them in faster than that, but you should be aware of the possibility of delays.
Sorry for that, guys.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Bluerobin on September 05, 2012, 09:15:15 am
My pretender choice is potentially more obvious with the name Man's New Best Friend, but I need to screencap the titles I ended up with.
Post by: Stworca on September 05, 2012, 10:12:16 am
Post by: Boksi on September 05, 2012, 10:14:02 am
I doubt that Il Palazzo can be losing this one, unless he gets dog piled, or careless.Well, dogpiling is a very legitimate strategy. An Atlantis/Ermor alliance would be very bad for the squids, methinks.
Post by: Karlito on September 05, 2012, 10:21:08 am
Post by: TempAcc on September 05, 2012, 10:21:27 am
Going to send my pretender when I get home. By the way, one of LA Atlantis's national summons has a bug in the Forbidden Friendship version I'm using, but I fixed it by downloading the latest one (2.1a). Turns out the terichik's file was a png rather then a tga in CBM_Sprites, so if I get to summon it and your game crashes due to that, I'll upload the tga so you guys can fix it as well (or you can just redownload forbidden friendship from here (http://www.proactiveapathy.com/dom3/mods/Forbidden2_1.zip)).
Post by: EuchreJack on September 05, 2012, 10:58:18 am
Post by: Karlito on September 05, 2012, 11:11:33 am
Post by: EuchreJack on September 05, 2012, 11:16:16 am
Cheese?
I will smite you for that!
(Cheese is sort of a sore topic for me, but suffice to say I don't much care for it)
Any other guesses?
Post by: Boksi on September 05, 2012, 11:22:51 am
Bacon?Cheese?
I will smite you for that!
(Cheese is sort of a sore topic for me, but suffice to say I don't much care for it)
Any other guesses?
Post by: TempAcc on September 05, 2012, 11:32:36 am
Silly peasants.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 05, 2012, 11:37:33 am
Any other guesses?Can't be. You named your pretender "Il Palazzo's Supremely Modest Ego"?;)
@TempAcc: Can I has that .png? The less I download on this connection the better.
@Everybody: Make sure to rename your .map & .tga files to world_of_warhammer_redux.{extension}.
Alternatively, download the already renamed map files from this location: http://www.mediafire.com/?y154yjh9mhmciwn (it's the more muted one, I think)
Post by: TempAcc on September 05, 2012, 12:33:24 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 05, 2012, 12:47:55 pm
Wine.
Silly peasants.
Close, but too specific. Peasants need to drink too, you know.
Post by: Boksi on September 05, 2012, 02:03:32 pm
Booze, then?Wine.
Silly peasants.
Close, but too specific. Peasants need to drink too, you know.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 05, 2012, 02:10:14 pm
Ok, that wasn't serious at all, but now I kind of wish I'd come up with some sort of beverage theme. Juice pretender, pop/soda names for important SCs/mages. I could have had Jones flavors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jones_Soda_flavors), Dr. Pepper/Mr. Pibb, Mountain Dew would be great for something with Earth/Water paths... even the Fantanas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantanas). Anything particularly hardcore could get into alcohols and/or cocktail names.
Post by: Karlito on September 05, 2012, 02:26:35 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 05, 2012, 02:34:58 pm
Post by: TempAcc on September 05, 2012, 05:08:51 pm
Post by: Korbac on September 05, 2012, 06:40:37 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 06, 2012, 12:12:49 am
I've always just ignored the dragons, but they're pretty cool. In the test game I played I won the arena tournament with my frost dragon pretender then messed up some scripting so he ended up in his human form in a battle against a bunch of heavy infantry. Between the awe, the 30+ defense (about 10-12 base, a boost from W9, another boost from 4 experience levels, and the bonus from the arena item, plus probably a couple more from dominion) and the chill from level 1 Enchantment he won handily. Normally, when he was in his dragon form, he won even faster of course. I guess I've just never really used a supercombatant pretender. The main problem with the dragons (and supercombatants in general I guess) is that I don't really know what do with them after the initial expansion. I guess they make decent combat mages, although pretty highly specialized, and they can always research if there's nothing else to do. *shrug*
Post by: a1s on September 06, 2012, 01:48:02 am
The game is here:This seems to be common knowledge, but how do I send my pretender in?
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound9
The game name is "Bay12GamesRound9"
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 06, 2012, 02:43:28 am
This seems to be common knowledge, but how do I send my pretender in?From the OP:
Spoiler: How does MP work? (click to show/hide)
Post by: ThtblovesDF on September 06, 2012, 03:57:16 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 06, 2012, 04:18:37 am
Mostly, we just learn as we go.
The Awesome Gods part seems to me the most distinctive about this one, with some crazy-ass chassis to pick, like the Titan with 7 air basic magic skill; or Divine Emperor with 3 starting skill in all magic paths, but for the purposes of bless only; or Destroyer of Worlds that autocasts Earthquake when he enters battle.
Post by: a1s on September 06, 2012, 04:52:24 am
From the OP:I feel dumb now (I've read through the whole second half of the thread, but it didn't occur to me to read the OP)Spoiler: How does MP work? (click to show/hide)
I'll send my pretender in as soon as I get home (in 5~6 hours)
Post by: EuchreJack on September 06, 2012, 05:15:31 am
Booze, then?Wine.
Silly peasants.
Close, but too specific. Peasants need to drink too, you know.
:D :DWe have a winner! :D ;D
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 06, 2012, 02:04:08 pm
I feel dumb now (I've read through the whole second half of the thread, but it didn't occur to me to read the OP)Don't feel dumb. The OP has been edited to contain all that information only recently, so it's perfectly normal that you would skim over whatever had acted as a placeholder.
Post by: Boksi on September 06, 2012, 02:50:06 pm
So for pretenders we've got:
Ermor: Lichinca, Princess of Heavenly Fires, Goddess of Astral Fires, Princess of Clouds, Lady of Flames, Queen of the Crafts
Jomon: Not a Ninja, the God above All, King of Many Names, Symbol of Unchallenged Victory, the Unforgiving King, Patron of Soldiers, the Teacher of Philosophy
Abysia: Global Warming, Goddess of Pain, Goddess of Suffering, the Unforgiving Princess, Seducer of Life, the Raging Princess, the One Always at the Shoulder
Pangaea: Skull Kid, Goddess of Birth, Queen of Untimely Death, the One Always at the Shoulder
Midgård: Man's New Best Friend, Patron of Soldiers, the Stealer of Corpses, Queen of Eloquence
Utgård: Fluffie, God of Primordial Waters, First Born of Gaia, Lord of Fear and Trembling, God of the Forest, the Hidden One
Gath: Booze, Prince of Majesty, the Undeceivable God, Lord of Animals, God of Strength, Lord of Nature
Atlantis: Hummerjuden, Lord of Frost, the Earth Monster, Prince of the Ocean Underneath, Symbol of Unchallenged Victory
R'lyeh: Enchanted Broccoli, the Far Traveler, Lord of Stellar Lights, the Afterthought, Symbol of Unchallenged Victory
Some neat new titles I haven't seen before. I mean, my pretender is obviously the best, but some other ones have their moments, especially Fluffie. But my pretender is the best because it has six titles and the only other pretender with six titles has only generic and boring titles. Incidentally, your number of titles is tied to your dominion score! So me and Jomon have Awe on our pretenders, who are probably awake for early expansion. Anyway, guesses:
Ermor: Lich Queen
Jomon: Wyrm or Manticore
Midgård: Bitch Queen
I won't put much effort into pretender guesses this time, probably.
Post by: Karlito on September 06, 2012, 04:03:41 pm
EDIT: Oh and if it wasn't already obvious from the blood magic, the high dominion makes it a sure bet that Global Warming is a Vampire Queen. Immortals need the dominion spread to increase the area that they're immortal in.
Post by: a1s on September 06, 2012, 04:24:40 pm
the One Always at the ShoulderI don't get this one. Is she short?
Post by: EuchreJack on September 06, 2012, 09:26:10 pm
I won't put much effort into pretender guesses this time, probably.
Considering that Gath has 44 pretender chassis, that would probably be a good idea.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 06, 2012, 09:42:40 pm
Anyone can find out whats mine with some minor knowledge of germanic languages :P
Going to send my pretender when I get home. By the way, one of LA Atlantis's national summons has a bug in the Forbidden Friendship version I'm using, but I fixed it by downloading the latest one (2.1a). Turns out the terichik's file was a png rather then a tga in CBM_Sprites, so if I get to summon it and your game crashes due to that, I'll upload the tga so you guys can fix it as well (or you can just redownload forbidden friendship from here (http://www.proactiveapathy.com/dom3/mods/Forbidden2_1.zip)).
Hm, I ran a test game with that, and Jomon got a bog beast with items and elementals.
Post by: Korbac on September 07, 2012, 02:19:06 am
Anyone can find out whats mine with some minor knowledge of germanic languages :P
Going to send my pretender when I get home. By the way, one of LA Atlantis's national summons has a bug in the Forbidden Friendship version I'm using, but I fixed it by downloading the latest one (2.1a). Turns out the terichik's file was a png rather then a tga in CBM_Sprites, so if I get to summon it and your game crashes due to that, I'll upload the tga so you guys can fix it as well (or you can just redownload forbidden friendship from here (http://www.proactiveapathy.com/dom3/mods/Forbidden2_1.zip)).
Hm, I ran a test game with that, and Jomon got a bog beast with items and elementals.
I can tell you that if you eat a rich adventurer the indigestion can give you a bog beast with many items.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 07, 2012, 02:21:24 am
Anyone can find out whats mine with some minor knowledge of germanic languages :P
Going to send my pretender when I get home. By the way, one of LA Atlantis's national summons has a bug in the Forbidden Friendship version I'm using, but I fixed it by downloading the latest one (2.1a). Turns out the terichik's file was a png rather then a tga in CBM_Sprites, so if I get to summon it and your game crashes due to that, I'll upload the tga so you guys can fix it as well (or you can just redownload forbidden friendship from here (http://www.proactiveapathy.com/dom3/mods/Forbidden2_1.zip)).
Hm, I ran a test game with that, and Jomon got a bog beast with items and elementals.
I can tell you that if you eat a rich adventurer the indigestion can give you a bog beast with many items.
That would explain all those whisps of wind following the bog beast around. :o
Post by: Boksi on September 07, 2012, 08:40:38 am
Haha, really? Lemme count.... Hey yeah, you're right. Still, we can narrow it down a bit. You've got fairly high dominion and nature magic. I'm pretty sure the "God of Strength" title require earth magic, so there's that too. So the possibilities I have in mind are:I won't put much effort into pretender guesses this time, probably.
Considering that Gath has 44 pretender chassis, that would probably be a good idea.
Monolith
Lord of Fertility
Great White Bull
Lord of Rebirth
Mother of Serpents
Dragon(Green)
Master Druid
I have no idea what your actual strategy is, so I have no idea which of those you're going to pick, but I guess we'll see. If I had to guess which one it was, I'd go with the Lord of Fertility because I bet his cornucopia is full of booze.
Post by: Karlito on September 07, 2012, 02:37:02 pm
I suppose we'll have to have a prophet name contest too in the next few turns (hurry with that first one already :P).
Post by: a1s on September 07, 2012, 03:10:38 pm
So then, who won THE BEST PRETENDER NAME CONTEST?How about a poll?
Post by: EuchreJack on September 08, 2012, 02:57:36 am
EDIT: Fixed that. Now my prophet has an awesome name.
Haha, really? Lemme count.... Hey yeah, you're right. Still, we can narrow it down a bit. You've got fairly high dominion and nature magic. I'm pretty sure the "God of Strength" title require earth magic, so there's that too. So the possibilities I have in mind are:I won't put much effort into pretender guesses this time, probably.
Considering that Gath has 44 pretender chassis, that would probably be a good idea.
Monolith
Lord of Fertility
Great White Bull
Lord of Rebirth
Mother of Serpents
Dragon(Green)
Master Druid
I have no idea what your actual strategy is, so I have no idea which of those you're going to pick, but I guess we'll see. If I had to guess which one it was, I'd go with the Lord of Fertility because I bet his cornucopia is full of booze.
I'm afraid I can neither confirm nor deny your suspicions regarding my Pretender, primarily because I already forgot which pretender chassis I chose. :P
Post by: Korbac on September 08, 2012, 07:33:32 am
Well, it looks like my scales were decent. Sort of. The next turn we shall see if NaN is better than one.
Post by: Boksi on September 08, 2012, 01:45:53 pm
Post by: a1s on September 08, 2012, 02:20:16 pm
Oh dear. It looks like Il Palazzo might not send his turn in on time.The match has been fixed! I demand my bet back. :P
Post by: Karlito on September 08, 2012, 03:31:37 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 08, 2012, 03:32:53 pm
Post by: TempAcc on September 08, 2012, 04:14:44 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 08, 2012, 06:02:21 pm
You and me both.Oh dear. It looks like Il Palazzo might not send his turn in on time.The match has been fixed! I demand my bet back. :P
EDIT: I'm not sure if we're continuing or not, but since I'll be out of town most of the day, I submitted my second turn, just in case.
Personally, I think we sort of need to hear from Il Palazzo before we decide how to continue.
Post by: Shadowgandor on September 09, 2012, 12:31:05 pm
Post by: TempAcc on September 09, 2012, 12:34:20 pm
Yeeeea I guess we should wait for Il Palazzo to come up and do a rollback to turn 1 :P
Post by: Bluerobin on September 09, 2012, 12:39:01 pm
Edit: Also, the hosting is set to 24h instead of 48 like it was supposed to be, so he'll probably end up missing at least one more turn.
Post by: Karlito on September 09, 2012, 12:41:56 pm
Post by: Boksi on September 09, 2012, 02:35:23 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 09, 2012, 08:23:42 pm
Seriously, a Vampire count assault on my capital on THE SECOND TURN. Wiped my PD out without losing a single soldier and seeing how I only have 1 other undeveloped province I can't train a new army. I might die in the next turn which should proof to be a record for fastest dying nation ever :P
Well, that is one vote for restarting! :P
And hey, cool record dude!
Post by: Shadowgandor on September 09, 2012, 11:39:00 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 10, 2012, 11:40:29 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 10, 2012, 12:21:44 pm
While I wouldn't mind the game to continue as is, I understand that Shadowgandor got hit pretty badly by the RNG. Abysia and Jomon also stalled on their second turn, for whatever reason.
Anyway, I suppose it will be easier simply to restart the whole thing, and judging by the number of submissions for the latest turn, people generally agree.
Ah, yes. Due to the aforementioned poor internet infrastructure in R'lyeh, I'll need a volunteer to be my henchman in managing the game.
Duties include setting appropriate hosting period, postponing if necessary, rigging the polls.
The right candidate shall receive a complimentary Mysterious Password.
Fhtagn!
Post by: EuchreJack on September 10, 2012, 12:51:06 pm
I mean, two of the starting locations are on the opposing arctic poles! And the sucker who starts on the South Pole has to kill the sucker on the North Pole in order to acquire non-wasteland-land.
Post by: TempAcc on September 10, 2012, 12:57:18 pm
And I'll only not offer myself because I'm currently on test week so I can't really be trusted with anything but my own shit :P
Post by: Shadowgandor on September 10, 2012, 01:05:17 pm
Restarting is fine though, seeing how a couple of people stalled alongside you. Wouldn't be fair to beat you all that way :D
Post by: Karlito on September 10, 2012, 01:12:14 pm
Let's stick with the current map though.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 10, 2012, 01:28:40 pm
I'd highly recommend playing a handful of practice games through turn 20 or so to get a grasp on neighbor connections if you have the time. Or just playing one or two long ones, whatever works best for you.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 10, 2012, 04:03:12 pm
Should somebody other than Atlantis start on the south pole, or in other silly place, say so and we'll restart again.
Karlito is going to co-manage the game.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 10, 2012, 06:01:35 pm
Uh, where am I sending my pretender? If the same server, it looks like our pretenders might already be logged in.
Post by: TempAcc on September 10, 2012, 06:04:34 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 10, 2012, 06:06:35 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 10, 2012, 06:11:33 pm
I'll set the game to start right away.
The hosting period will be 48h.
Post by: Korbac on September 10, 2012, 06:21:26 pm
Go go gadget god! Attack into unexplored territory and probably die!!!
Post by: Boksi on September 10, 2012, 06:47:26 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And no, I didn't start at the north pole. I moved the camera so it wouldn't show my starting province.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 10, 2012, 07:30:13 pm
Post by: Karlito on September 10, 2012, 08:02:22 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 10, 2012, 09:50:29 pm
Haha that's a great random name. I got so many Gandalfs playing test games I briefly debated a Lord of the Rings theme before I realized I don't know nearly enough about the series to do that.
I'm certain we could have fed you names. I used to own the books.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 11, 2012, 12:55:29 am
Post by: a1s on September 11, 2012, 07:38:40 am
Post by: EuchreJack on September 11, 2012, 09:45:30 am
So... as much as this will reveal me, I started in the south pole. I'm ok with is assuming there's no one at the north pole.
Well, your units do have sailing, so you should be able to invade the southern shore, somewhere. So it doesn't matter if the north pole is inhabited or not (I'm assuming it is).
I didn't start out in the north pole this time, so I'm enthusically happy about that.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 11, 2012, 09:47:34 am
I'm so used to thinking about flying and the rules that govern that because of Caelum that I'd forgotten about other travel assisting abilities completely.
Post by: Karlito on September 11, 2012, 09:48:14 am
Guys (and more specifically, whoever is currently adminning this game), I'm going to be out of town from Friday to late Sunday (I can't bring a laptop with me). I'll probably be able to send my turn in Friday morning, and possibly won't be able to send one until Monday morning. So... when the time comes (3 days from now), can we have a turn extension until 12AM GMT on Monday?
You got it.
Post by: TempAcc on September 11, 2012, 09:58:31 am
Additionaly, it'd be pretty hilarious and appropriate if abysia started at the south/north poles :P global warming melting the polar ice and stuff.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 11, 2012, 10:41:42 am
I'm not at the north pole either, so you don't have to worry about bone glaives cleaving skinshifters in two for now :P
Additionaly, it'd be pretty hilarious and appropriate if abysia started at the south/north poles :P global warming melting the polar ice and stuff.
And then falling into the cold ocean because they just melted the very landscape they were standing on. :P
Post by: Boksi on September 11, 2012, 10:44:26 am
Well, who's to say the poles are only ice sheets in this universe? The south pole is a continent on our planet, after all. Sadly, I did not start at either pole.I'm not at the north pole either, so you don't have to worry about bone glaives cleaving skinshifters in two for now :P
Additionaly, it'd be pretty hilarious and appropriate if abysia started at the south/north poles :P global warming melting the polar ice and stuff.
And then falling into the cold ocean because they just melted the very landscape they were standing on. :P
Post by: a1s on September 11, 2012, 01:37:52 pm
Well, who's to say the poles are only ice sheets in this universe? The south pole is a continent on our planet, after all. Sadly, I did not start at either pole.how do we know they are cold at all, perhaps there's just a protective frost spell around the poles, that keeps the undesirables away from the Ice Elves.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 11, 2012, 04:39:56 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 11, 2012, 05:22:49 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 11, 2012, 05:23:31 pm
Well that's embarrassing... could you guys hurry up and get into the hall of fame? I didn't expect my no-name random scout and first commander to make it in there for doing basically nothing.
Already on it. 8)
Post by: Boksi on September 12, 2012, 10:10:38 am
Alright, let's see what my future conquests look like...
"This province contains about 80 hostile units. The army consists of mainly Knights of the Chalice and Flagellants."
Welp.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 12, 2012, 10:14:28 am
Post by: Karlito on September 13, 2012, 12:40:42 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Bluerobin on September 13, 2012, 12:42:11 pm
Post by: Karlito on September 13, 2012, 12:45:48 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 13, 2012, 12:47:53 pm
Post by: TempAcc on September 13, 2012, 02:25:29 pm
No matter, I have enough resources to not have any need for the lowest tier troops anymore, time for some angry heavy infantry.
Post by: Boksi on September 13, 2012, 02:53:20 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 13, 2012, 04:25:32 pm
Yup, the freak army doesn't qualify as an effective combat force. Shame about that mage and troops I sent with them.
Post by: Karlito on September 14, 2012, 12:37:36 pm
Post by: a1s on September 14, 2012, 01:08:51 pm
I postponed the turn deadline to Monday evening so Ermor can get his turn in.Turns out I'm not going- my brother is sick.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 14, 2012, 01:23:20 pm
Cursing your own brother just so you can continue playing Dom3: Both commendable in your devotion to our game, and despicable in your methods. :PI postponed the turn deadline to Monday evening so Ermor can get his turn in.Turns out I'm not going- my brother is sick.
Post by: Karlito on September 14, 2012, 02:16:14 pm
Also, what the hell is with this dominion flatline I've got going? Roll better numbers temples!
Post by: EuchreJack on September 14, 2012, 02:22:09 pm
Since we don't have a border, I'd cheerfully suggest killing your neighbors to boost your dominion. :P
Evidently, the makers of this mod love Gath as much as the rest of us. My temples only cost the traditional 400 gold, not the inflated 800 gold as in the standard game.
Post by: Boksi on September 17, 2012, 10:24:06 am
Link (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3498147&pagenumber=5#post407195652)
Some highlights:
- Arch Mage now has Reinvig 10, starts with 1 in each elemental path, and has Magicboost 1 for all elemental paths.
- Master Alchemist can now shapechange into a monstrous alter-ego with MR 30, 10% regen, 57 base HP, immortal, 50% resist to all damage types, Fear 0, and Awe 1, and -10 to all paths.
- Crone now has 25% forge bonus, is mapmove 3 and flying, because she is Baba Yaga riding around in a flying mortar.
- Forge Lord raised to the forge bonus cap of 80, starts with Hammer of the Forge Lord innate weapon because hell why not?
Post by: Bluerobin on September 17, 2012, 10:31:45 am
Edit: It might be worth doing a draft game like the SomethingAwful SADDASS (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3476960&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1) thing. I really like the idea of it.
Post by: Boksi on September 17, 2012, 11:31:00 am
Edit: It might be worth doing a draft game like the SomethingAwful SADDASS (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3476960&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1) thing. I really like the idea of it.Yeah, I've been considering suggesting it. I'd even be willing to do the modding necessary for it.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 17, 2012, 11:31:43 am
Post by: Karlito on September 17, 2012, 05:34:19 pm
Also, this map is really really big. I realize some of that is because the provinces themselves are large, but it'd still probably take me 100 turns to conquer the world even if I only had to fight independents :P.
Post by: a1s on September 17, 2012, 07:20:33 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 18, 2012, 07:47:23 pm
Post by: Karlito on September 18, 2012, 10:39:24 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 18, 2012, 11:56:46 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 20, 2012, 10:00:40 pm
Post by: Boksi on September 21, 2012, 09:14:06 am
Post by: EuchreJack on September 21, 2012, 10:44:21 pm
Post by: Boksi on September 22, 2012, 09:21:40 am
Asking for a rollback?No, not at all. It's not like I can't recover from it.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 22, 2012, 09:56:32 am
Man, somebody stop R'lyeh's Great Nemesis[TM] from expanding so fast.
Post by: Karlito on September 22, 2012, 06:59:42 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 22, 2012, 07:38:42 pm
Besides, rollbacks are teh evil.
Man,somebodyeverybody stop R'lyeh's Great Nemesis[TM] from expanding so fast.
Fixed that for you. :P
Post by: TempAcc on September 22, 2012, 07:44:34 pm
We're saving them from their unfashionable shirtless ways. Everyone shall wear glorious fur coats and look fabulous.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 22, 2012, 07:52:28 pm
Besides, rollbacks are teh evil.
Man,somebodyeverybody stop R'lyeh's Great Nemesis[TM] from expanding so fast.
Fixed that for you. :P
Just to clarify, I totally thought "R'lyeh's Great Nemesis[TM]" refered to the God of R'lyeh, the Great Nemesis of ALL nations, Maker of Even Ermor To Look Good. I never intended to imply that my good friend and buddy, Atlantis, should be hindered in any way.
Land for us, Sea for Atlantis, Void for R'lyeh. That is the natural order of things.
EDIT: And no mixing those things, thank you very much R'lyeh.
Post by: Korbac on September 23, 2012, 06:00:38 am
The deadline was approaching so i added 6 hours so Korbac can hopefully get his turn in.
Thanks Karlito - I thought I had until 1:30 on Sunday but evidently this was not the case. (The reason I've been so slow is that I've just moved into uni, I'm dling the mod onto my laptop as this post goes up)
Post by: Karlito on September 23, 2012, 10:11:36 am
(yo guys, if you think you might need some more time, just post in this thread beforehand).
Post by: Korbac on September 23, 2012, 01:07:34 pm
In other, exciting news, doing an update for my old Dom 3 game has inexplicably caused the .exe file to be deleted! Guess where the installation CD is! That's right - at home!
If it doesn't mystically re-appear by tomorrow, and I don't get my turn in, set me to AI. :(
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 23, 2012, 01:22:19 pm
Post by: Korbac on September 23, 2012, 01:52:28 pm
Post by: a1s on September 23, 2012, 04:21:50 pm
This should be from 3.27. I hope this helps. I want to point out to anyone watching how this isn't really piracy, as there's no way in hell anyone can play the game with this file but without the proper CD key (and I'm guessing most of the other files)
Post by: Korbac on September 23, 2012, 04:49:11 pm
A1s. You are a friend, now and always. <3
Edit : Game CTD's if I select the province with my Legendary Ninja dude in it. Luckily, he's not in my province at the moment! I'll look into fixing this soon. For now, it's still playable. :)
Post by: TempAcc on September 23, 2012, 08:07:03 pm
Post by: Korbac on September 24, 2012, 08:39:24 am
What sort of error does it give you? Does it complain about a missing file or something?
That's right. I'm missing "Member of the Shadow Order" graphic.
I'll try re-installing Forbiddens Frondship later.
I've already done much, much better in this game than I did in the last one, but somehow I think I'll die much quicker. 8)
Post by: EuchreJack on September 24, 2012, 08:41:07 am
If you need help losing territory in order to look less threatening, let me know! :D
Don't worry too much: The dormant gods are awakening!
In the Kingdom of Gath, the God Booze is going on a tour of the land before he studies for his Wizardry exams.
Post by: TempAcc on September 24, 2012, 08:55:25 am
Post by: EuchreJack on September 24, 2012, 09:20:37 am
I miss the days when I DIDN'T have to sign up to upload files...sigh.
And for the record, rapidshare can bite my shiny metal @$$. It's apparently not working for me. But below is one that did work. Not my favorite download service, but the upload was quick and painless.
http://www.mediafire.com/?1dggud7oal7gsyz (http://www.mediafire.com/?1dggud7oal7gsyz)
EDIT: What happens when Korbac stalls/goes AI:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 24, 2012, 03:24:40 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 24, 2012, 03:30:58 pm
EDIT: What happens when Korbac stalls/goes AI:Whuh oh, now I'm worried.Pleas don't go AI Korbac!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Karlito on September 24, 2012, 04:06:08 pm
R'lyeh approved dream scenarios. (http://www.adweek.com/video/advertising-branding/freakiest-ads-2011-help-remedies-dream-scenarios-136804)
Still all better than the one where you wake up in the void and get killed by squid things.
Post by: Korbac on September 24, 2012, 04:16:35 pm
Cheers Jack! :D
EDIT : Still crashes when I pick that province, but it's only one unit. Ahh well! :)
DUB EDIT : That only happens when we don't co-ordinate our invasions, Jack. XD
TRIPLE EDIT : Grief and sorrow! I almost finished my turn then accidentally CTD'd. ANNOYING
Post by: EuchreJack on September 24, 2012, 05:09:35 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 24, 2012, 05:20:11 pm
R'lyeh approved dream scenarios. (http://www.adweek.com/video/advertising-branding/freakiest-ads-2011-help-remedies-dream-scenarios-136804)
Luckily, nobody in the Realm of Booze has problems sleeping. The citizens simply partake of their God's blessing and dream of Hired Elephants crushing everything.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 24, 2012, 11:09:06 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 25, 2012, 07:28:24 am
Hmm I'm starting to get an inkling of how important a very strong dominion is in a game against late age Ermor AND R'lyeh. Also maybe Pangaea.
But you're leading in Dominion Score!
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2012, 09:01:36 am
Post by: Bluerobin on September 25, 2012, 09:22:36 am
But you're leading in Dominion Score!And I'm planning on keeping it that way or else everyone will be dead and the rest will be insane! :P
R'lyeh's dominion is surprisingly low.Shhhh don't let him know we know.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 25, 2012, 09:24:02 am
R'lyeh's dominion is surprisingly low.Don't jinx it. ;)
It probably just means that R'lyeh's god isn't awake yet (also, see the absense of R'lyeh's god from the high score table). I expect it to pick up either in the next few turns or two years hence (aka whenever their god awakens, it depends on whether Il Palazzo chose a dormant or imprisoned god).
Sort of makes you want to build temples along the seashore, huh? ;D
Post by: Korbac on September 25, 2012, 09:29:06 am
Post by: Bluerobin on September 25, 2012, 09:29:29 am
But you're leading in Dominion Score!And I'm planning on keeping it that way or else everyone will be dead and the rest will be insane! :P I was mostly noticing from a practice game I did. Also, AI Ermor looks like it was spreading across the world by spores, popping up with little pockets of provinces in the middle of nowhere separated from the main Ermorian forces by multiple independent provinces. Is that something that actually happens regularly?
R'lyeh's dominion is surprisingly low.Shhhh don't let him know we know.
It probably just means that R'lyeh's god isn't awake yet (also, see the absense of R'lyeh's god from the high score table).I want to say he has an immobile pretender judging by its name, so I don't know if we'll see it on the high score table unless it ends up teleporting around. I kind of want to see a giant fungal broccoli teleporting around, though, so I'd be all for that happening.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 25, 2012, 09:34:39 am
Last game I played, I named my pretender "Dr. Necro". He was a Phoenix: I chose the name because I knew his behavior would get him onto the high score table, and I wanted my enemies to think it was a Lich instead of a Phoenix. So I could laugh if they tried using priests on me.But you're leading in Dominion Score!And I'm planning on keeping it that way or else everyone will be dead and the rest will be insane! :P I was mostly noticing from a practice game I did. Also, AI Ermor looks like it was spreading across the world by spores, popping up with little pockets of provinces in the middle of nowhere separated from the main Ermorian forces by multiple independent provinces. Is that something that actually happens regularly?R'lyeh's dominion is surprisingly low.Shhhh don't let him know we know.I want to say he has an immobile pretender judging by its name, so I don't know if we'll see it on the high score table unless it ends up teleporting around. I kind of want to see a giant fungal broccoli teleporting around, though, so I'd be all for that happening.R'lyeh's dominion is surprisingly low.It probably just means that R'lyeh's god isn't awake yet (also, see the absense of R'lyeh's god from the high score table).
Long story short, Il Palazzo is a far better player than I, and thus is more than capable of giving his pretender a misleading name.
On the other hand, the research binge that R'lyeh is engaged in would indicate an immobile pretender that needs spells like teleport in order to become deadly.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 25, 2012, 09:37:05 am
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2012, 09:40:09 am
And geez guys, fix your quote tags.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 25, 2012, 09:41:55 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Even sort of looks like broccoli.
Yeah, just fixed quote tags.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 25, 2012, 11:41:47 am
Furthermore, our dominion is so low because we are a pro-choice R'lyeh. We don't force anybody to start dreaming of the Broccoli. No sir.
Our beliefs are not widely advertised, but eventualy reach the interested parties by word-of-mouth. The process is certainly slower, but much less obnoxious than e.g.Midgard's aggressive bilboard-and-booze campaing. Unlike the "receive sacraments and forget" blockbusters of our competitors, our dogma tends to develop devoted following over time, easily achieving cult status among the fans. We aim for the indie scene of the belief systems, you see. Small, arthouse churches. Private sermons, and bootleg copies of the Necronomicon. It's all very low-key and grassroots.
Also, and I admit this with some degree of disillusioned resignation, the foreign faiths tend to be generally better for the economy. Big names with lightning shows and explosions sell much better than existentialist, cerebral Broccoli. Maybe with the exception of that Italian necrophiliac grindfest from Ermor, but that's hardly mainstream.
Post by: TempAcc on September 25, 2012, 11:58:45 am
Surely we must celebrate multiculturalism and diversity in theocratical approaches. Behold the glory of gath's propaganda (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c-sDet31CA8#!), as two benjaminite soldiers sing about their glorious motherland while their prophet shows the powers of the hallowed relic, the "cup of infinite drinking" in the background.
Post by: a1s on September 25, 2012, 12:02:35 pm
Maybe with the exception of that Italian necrophiliac grindfest from Ermor, but that's hardly mainstream.Huh? It's the #1 show in Ermor. Dozens of people watch it. Baker's dozens.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 25, 2012, 12:41:09 pm
I will admit that the people of Midgard are just dying to spread the word of Man's New Best Friend, so we may come off as a little pushy. It's all for the puppies though. Think of the puppies!
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2012, 01:25:55 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 25, 2012, 01:27:30 pm
:(
Post by: Korbac on September 25, 2012, 03:18:13 pm
(We'll need to get rid of R'lyeh, Ermor and Pangaea first though, because they aren't tolerant. ;) )
P.S. This statement / joke / obdservatijhn was made while smashed. Please redirect all enquirees to BMAT.SLAAAAAHG
Post by: EuchreJack on September 25, 2012, 03:35:48 pm
Look, everyone, why can't we just be friends? There's nothing in the rules that says we can't have a joint victory. :)
(We'll need to get rid of R'lyeh, Ermor and Pangaea first though, because they aren't tolerant. ;) )
P.S. This statement / joke / obdservatijhn was made while smashed. Please redirect all enquirees to BMAT.SLAAAAAHG
And thus, Korbac temporarily succumbed to worship of Gath's God.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 25, 2012, 03:41:20 pm
Post by: a1s on September 25, 2012, 04:03:32 pm
Quote
Abysia Waiting for 2h file
Atlantis Waiting for 2h file
Ermor 2h file received
Gath 2h file received
Jomon 2h file received
Midgard 2h file received
Pangaea Waiting for 2h file
R'lyeh 2h file received
Utgard 2h file received
Post by: EuchreJack on September 25, 2012, 05:02:46 pm
Post by: a1s on September 25, 2012, 05:23:55 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 25, 2012, 05:28:52 pm
I was actually thinking very specifically about Atlantis. We had a conversation from which I understood he had seen the turn (This doesn't necessarily mean he also finished issuing orders, but I find that there's a high correlation between the two)
I often look at the turn, go do something else, then issue orders. It's not uncommon.
Post by: a1s on September 25, 2012, 06:04:28 pm
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2012, 06:29:53 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 25, 2012, 07:48:37 pm
Post by: TempAcc on September 25, 2012, 07:57:46 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 26, 2012, 03:36:34 am
Bloody foreigners.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 26, 2012, 10:42:56 am
Not me. Stupid Pangea.
And I don't know why Victor of all people is on the Hall of Fame. Probably because he's older than anyone.
Post by: Korbac on September 27, 2012, 12:20:47 pm
Post by: a1s on September 27, 2012, 12:27:37 pm
If anyone's got the "Member_of_the_Shadow_League.tga, I'd be very glad. :DNope. I do have Member_of_the_Shadow_League_1.tga and Member_of_the_Shadow_League_2.tga, though.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 27, 2012, 12:31:21 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 27, 2012, 12:48:28 pm
If anyone's got the "Member_of_the_Shadow_League.tga, I'd be very glad. :D
As a workaround, just make a copy of "Member_of_the_Shadow_League1.tga" and rename it "Member_of_the_Shadow_League.tga". I'm guessing somebody who made the mod told your pretender to reference the wrong file, so if you create the file that the program is trying to reference, it will cure your problem.
Post by: Korbac on September 27, 2012, 01:04:06 pm
Cheers for the help though everyone. :)
Post by: Karlito on September 27, 2012, 01:05:11 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 27, 2012, 01:14:51 pm
Someone want to post my dire portent? :D
LA LA LA, sorry, I can't hear you, LA LA LA.
Post by: Boksi on September 27, 2012, 01:25:04 pm
Someone want to post my dire portent? :D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Bluerobin on September 27, 2012, 03:16:27 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 27, 2012, 03:17:33 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 27, 2012, 03:24:22 pm
Edit: I found the event and it looks like it doesn't happen underwater. It DOES spread Ermor's dominion automatically, though, so that's a pain.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 27, 2012, 03:35:30 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 27, 2012, 04:01:41 pm
Edit: Oh man I should have been Marignon. Apparently they get a similar event that takes control of an Ermorian province.
Post by: Karlito on September 27, 2012, 04:04:33 pm
Well, that's no fun. I'd almost be willing to put it back at Ench-8 if I could get some cool flavor text. Though I do like whatever it's doing to my gem income.Someone want to post my dire portent? :DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
And hey, a1s, wanna destroy all humans? :D
Post by: Korbac on September 27, 2012, 05:00:37 pm
I found the event and it looks like it doesn't happen underwater. It DOES spread Ermor's dominion automatically, though, so that's a pain. If I understand the context it doesn't happen if your dominion's high enough in the province.
Edit: Oh man I should have been Marignon. Apparently they get a similar event that takes control of an Ermorian province.
FLAVOUR EVENTS ARE FLAVOUR OM NOM NOM
Unfortunately it's probably slightly unbalanced in a competitive sense. But who am I to say such a thing!
Post by: TempAcc on September 27, 2012, 05:27:10 pm
Post by: Korbac on September 27, 2012, 05:33:27 pm
Since Korbac is being so nice and is sending toys for the Angakoks to play with, I'll be sure to send him a few sneaky toys later. Overly large, sneaky, earthquaky toys.
Are you sure you haven't mixed me up with someone else? ???
Post by: TempAcc on September 28, 2012, 07:42:02 am
UNLESS someone else gained acess to them, meaning I should be sending creepy crawlies EVERYWHERE.
Anyway, I need a 12 hour~ extention. I'm using a university computer atm cause MASSIVE LIGHTNING > ISP.
Should be back today, but I'm asking for one now, just in case.
Post by: Karlito on September 28, 2012, 08:23:25 am
Post by: Boksi on September 28, 2012, 09:00:22 am
It was a ninja :PIf it was only one ninja, it might have been a random event.
UNLESS someone else gained acess to them, meaning I should be sending creepy crawlies EVERYWHERE.
Anyway, I need a 12 hour~ extention. I'm using a university computer atm cause MASSIVE LIGHTNING > ISP.
Should be back today, but I'm asking for one now, just in case.
Post by: Korbac on September 28, 2012, 09:38:41 am
It was a ninja :PIf it was only one ninja, it might have been a random event.
UNLESS someone else gained acess to them, meaning I should be sending creepy crawlies EVERYWHERE.
Anyway, I need a 12 hour~ extention. I'm using a university computer atm cause MASSIVE LIGHTNING > ISP.
Should be back today, but I'm asking for one now, just in case.
I don't recall sending a ninja over to Angaknotagonkot land, so that's probably it. :)
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 29, 2012, 08:32:48 am
Dreadful news indeed!
Per que would they do such an inconsiderate thing?
Post by: Bluerobin on September 29, 2012, 10:47:13 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shadowgandor on September 29, 2012, 11:19:25 am
But what is this? Some dreadful giants appear to have rudely invaded le maison de mon ami Mesieur Emror!
Dreadful news indeed!
Per que would they do such an inconsiderate thing?
When I noticed my long lost mother was shambling through my garden, I figured it was time to sent her back to her creator.
Post by: Boksi on September 29, 2012, 12:16:01 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: EuchreJack on September 29, 2012, 01:12:10 pm
My my, R'lyeh. That is a big army you've got. Life has been good to you, I'd wager.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 29, 2012, 01:22:01 pm
When I noticed my long lost mother was shambling through my garden, I figured it was time to sent her back to her creator.Sacrebleu!
I can't let you do that, Dave.
Or can I? I probably can. Bof, je ne sais pas. Die fünfzehn Juwel die Tod? It's outrageours!
My my, R'lyeh. That is a big army you've got. Life has been good to you, I'd wager.But which one of tha fantastically huge, positivelly humongous, freudially phallic armies of mine do you have in mind?
Post by: EuchreJack on September 29, 2012, 01:30:52 pm
Considering how much trouble Ermor could be to you (what with their armies going under the sea and all), I imagine you're quite happy to see them in chaos.When I noticed my long lost mother was shambling through my garden, I figured it was time to sent her back to her creator.Sacrebleu!
I can't let you do that, Dave.
Or can I? I probably can. Bof, je ne sais pas. Die fünfzehn Juwel die Tod? It's outrageours!
Thankfully, I haven't viewed any of your armies. That is probably why my mind is still intact.My my, R'lyeh. That is a big army you've got. Life has been good to you, I'd wager.But which one of tha fantastically huge, positivelly humongous, freudially phallic armies of mine do you have in mind?
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 29, 2012, 01:42:04 pm
Unless that other nation is R'lyeh.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 29, 2012, 02:42:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 29, 2012, 03:03:54 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 29, 2012, 03:14:20 pm
Edit: Fate of Oedipus is still probably better than just Dispel to get rid of Eyes of God just because you don't need to match gems or pass the die roll like Dispel, though. Plus there's the difference in gem/path requirements, but that's fairly obvious.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 29, 2012, 03:15:34 pm
I love Dominions 3 mods. All the new nations to explore, the new units to ponder, the mages to examine. The above tool makes new nations, at random.
Post by: a1s on September 29, 2012, 03:49:42 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 29, 2012, 04:31:41 pm
We should have a unitgen game.
I actually had a cool idea about that: Time-limited pretender submissions with unitgen! Someone generates enough unitgen nations for everyone, then posts it, then everyone only has like six hours to submit their pretenders.
EDIT: It also occurs to me that I haven't given a "Kill Il Palazzo's R'lyeh" rant in quite some time. So here it is:
Il Palazzo: Good Dominions 3 player + LA R'lyeh: Ultimate LA nation = Everybody else dead.
Post by: Korbac on September 29, 2012, 05:55:51 pm
We should have a unitgen game.
I actually had a cool idea about that: Time-limited pretender submissions with unitgen! Someone generates enough unitgen nations for everyone, then posts it, then everyone only has like six hours to submit their pretenders.
EDIT: It also occurs to me that I haven't given a "Kill Il Palazzo's R'lyeh" rant in quite some time. So here it is:
Il Palazzo: Good Dominions 3 player + LA R'lyeh: Ultimate LA nation = Everybody else dead.
I don't mean to sound offensive or anything, but this very 'meta' decision to gangbang Il Pazzichinodo (because he's amazing) is unfortunately probably for the best. :(
Also, on unitgen : Sounds cool! :) There was also another mod which meant you could pick your national spells / units / commanders. That one seemed good :D
Post by: EuchreJack on September 29, 2012, 06:06:00 pm
I'm also being overly alarmist because I worry that others don't see how much of a threat this is. I make no appology for my paranoia.
Post by: Korbac on September 29, 2012, 06:10:31 pm
To be fair, it's not just because Il Palazzo is amazing, although that is reason enough to gang up on him. It's also standard to gang up on LA R'lyeh, regardless of player.
I'm also being overly alarmist because I worry that others don't see how much of a threat this is. I make no appology for my paranoia.
You are right entirely. LA Ermor, R'yleh, and to a lesser extent Pangaea, should all be singled out, because taking them on in the lategame is basically not an option.
Post by: Stworca on September 29, 2012, 06:19:12 pm
Post by: Korbac on September 29, 2012, 06:34:35 pm
What about EA Mictlan? Doesn't that bless rush lololololol all over your country?
Post by: Karlito on September 29, 2012, 07:03:26 pm
Post by: Korbac on September 29, 2012, 07:09:34 pm
Post by: Karlito on September 29, 2012, 07:21:21 pm
I also don't understand why you'd think you'd be screwed in the lategame. Jomon has powerful national summons, magical diversity, and underwater units immune to R'lyeh insanity.
EDIT: Also, I'd note that Gath doesn't actually share a border with R'lyeh, so it certainly would be to EuchreJack's advantage for those nations that do to put their resources into a disadvantageous underwater assault while he expands on land.
Post by: Korbac on September 29, 2012, 07:37:52 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 29, 2012, 07:39:15 pm
EDIT: Also, I'd note that Gath doesn't actually share a border with R'lyeh, so it certainly would be to EuchreJack's advantage for those nations that do to put their resources into a disadvantageous underwater assault while he expands on land.
You bring up a valid point. Therefore, in the interests of fairness, anyone that engages in an underwater assault versus R'lyeh will recieve compensation from me. Gold, items, gems, etc.
EDIT: Gee, that is an awful lot of troops you've got on my border Pangea. You're not planning something nasty, I hope?
Post by: a1s on September 29, 2012, 09:59:08 pm
--Attributed to Bishop Jinnud c. 3 year of the Ascension Wars. Reprinted with permission from From The History of the Decline, Fall and Zombiefication of the Ermorian Republic by E. Baboon.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 30, 2012, 05:05:04 am
Perhaps this'll sound less objective coming from me, but I don't agree with this "LA Ermor, R'lyeh & Pangea need to be eliminated as fast as possible" sentiment. Yeah, their dominions kill population, but it's more of a liability for at least R'lyeh and Pangea(though Ermor needs forts too, not to mention a steady supply of corpses). With passing time we get less and less income, while being saddled with hordes of chaff units that in my case also need to eat. We still need to buy and pay upkeep for our mages, you know.
As for the pop-killing dominion, it's very easy for other players to keep it at bay with your own, unless somebody was irresponsible enough to choose very low dom strength for their pretender. A temple near the border, a couple of cheap priests. That's all it takes.
So the longer you wait, the easier time you'll have, as the economies of R'lyeh and Pangea go down the drain.
But somebody, somewhere started the scare, wrote some opinion piece on some forum that caters to that primal fear inside every one of us. The fear of being taken out of the game without a fight, with some slowly incapacitating, passively acting trick that the pop-killing dominions fit so nicely.
And now people mindlessly keep on repeating the mantra, turning it into a self-reinforcing "common sense" that nobody even considers challenging.
I mean, what the hell? It's not like any of the three nations is so unbalanced that if you let it survive to the endgame then you're screwed. I saw a several thousand strong Ermor army being decimated by a few hundred Man archers. I saw games well into their eightieth turns with R'lyeh confined to their lakes and unable to become a threat for anybody.
These are just nations like any other. They have their strengths and weaknesses, and the popkill dominions are not the trump-all ace. These are merely there to give some flavour and perhaps help put all the LA nations on equal footing, what with every other LA nation having recruitables vastly superior to the dom summons of any of the three nations.
So when you are considering the decision to gang up on somebody, don't buy into the cheap, self-perpetuation mythos. Chose somebody you actualy feel threatened by. And most of all, don't start the game with a pre-set decision of eliminating some nation.
And finally, think of other players. When we chose to play Pangea, R'lyeh or Ermor, we want to have a go at actually playing, with all the diplomacy, power struggles and backstabbing it involves, and not being singled out from the start for no good reason but some ill-founded perception of a threat to people's views on how the game should and shouldn't be played, our feeble attempts at reasoning with the aggressors shot down without as much as a second thought. "Because you're Ermor/R'lyeh/Pangea" the only explanation given.
What you're all doing here, is basically saying that choosing any of the three nations is against the rules, and we should be kicked out for our crime of defying you.
Just think about it. Don't be a bully.
Post by: Korbac on September 30, 2012, 05:58:27 am
One important factor not mentioned - If these nations exist into the lategame, all their territory becomes almost devoid of pop. This is usually kind of bad for them, too, but it creates a lot of difficulty for the nations trying to invade them. You must attack them with "need not eat" units, or else pack a bunch of nature mages specifically for the trip. Furthermore, there is no gold to be gained from these lands, and thus, very little reason to invade them, which can leave these countries free to snowball against nations' whose allies refuse to aid them. After all, what have they got to gain?
The point that you guys have less gold is true as time goes on, but by the stage in the game you're at that position you've transitioned mainly to summons for your commanders and freespawn for your footsoldiers, so it's not as important. And to be entirely honest, many players will be lower on gold than usual anyway, as hurricanes / earthquakes / famines etc. start flying.
(Sorry, Pazz. Nothing personal. :()
EDIT : Regardless of what I / others say, I'm pretty sure people will seek to use the wars of these countries for their own enrichment rather than getting rid of them early on, one of them will snowball and become really strong, and I will be smug in my grave. :P
DUB EDIT : Ermor isn't dead yet, are they? :o If so, that's a mighty fast bumrush and that's a shame. :(
Post by: Shadowgandor on September 30, 2012, 06:49:51 am
Post by: Karlito on September 30, 2012, 09:33:53 am
Post by: EuchreJack on September 30, 2012, 04:04:25 pm
I saw games well into their eightieth turns with R'lyeh confined to their lakes and unable to become a threat for anybody.And that is another good reason to at least combat R'lyeh early. It's no fun rooting them out of their lakes for the win. Most nations really don't go underwater easily.
As for Pangea...did I mention the large army on my border? I somehow doubt I'm going to be the attacker there.
One should also note that I have never said anything bad about Ermor. Prior to the reboot, we even had a minor trade agreement, which somehow got lost in the restart.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 30, 2012, 05:32:42 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 30, 2012, 07:22:08 pm
Post by: Boksi on September 30, 2012, 07:36:28 pm
Post by: a1s on September 30, 2012, 08:45:20 pm
The Ermor capital was near my only way out of my starting place.Just FYI, that's not true. (70) and (83) are both connected to (101), and (70) is also connected to (59). Port maps are impossible to use without the "Neighbors" filter.
P.S. I was able to look up what Ermor's and R'lyeh's dominions do, but the wiki mentions nothing about Pangaea's. What is the risk there?
Post by: Karlito on September 30, 2012, 08:47:14 pm
Post by: a1s on September 30, 2012, 11:32:03 pm
Post by: Karlito on September 30, 2012, 11:57:57 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 01, 2012, 07:29:32 am
Oh well. I did try, didn't I?
Post by: a1s on October 01, 2012, 07:52:53 am
Same thing as yours basicallyAlso, this is not true. The half life (time needed to decrease the population of a province in half) for a 10 candle Pangaean dominion is ~13 months. For a 10 candle Ermorian dominion it's 1 (and for half life to be 13 months it has to be about 1 candle). That's not even counting the Growth scales, which Pangaea is likely to have cranked up to 11 (in binary). Out of the 3 harmful dominions, Pangean seems the most pleasant for bystanders. In fact I'd prefer it over MA C'tis too. :P
Post by: Bluerobin on October 01, 2012, 08:50:35 am
Heh, looks like I won't be able to weasel my way out of this one.Valiant effort and you gave me something to think about, that's for sure.
Oh well. I did try, didn't I?
Post by: Karlito on October 01, 2012, 09:09:12 am
Same thing as yours basicallyAlso, this is not true.
I just meant they're the same in principle. The math is rather interesting for carrion woods. I should actually be trying to keep my dominion low, since the candles don't have an effect on the spawn rate, only the population kill. Ideally, I could have 1 candle/province with 3 growth and still be able to increase my population while getting lots of freespawn. Of course, candles dictate the rate of scale shift so I should probably be aiming for something slightly higher, but I guess the conclusion is that I should stop spamming temples everywhere.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 01, 2012, 09:47:45 am
Post by: Karlito on October 01, 2012, 02:01:14 pm
Post by: Korbac on October 01, 2012, 02:17:39 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 01, 2012, 04:04:23 pm
This is fantastic and we must play it.
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Nation 72: Hirtaifurt
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Race: Humans.
Military: Light infantry. Crossbowmen. Light moose cavalry and heavy nightmare cavalry. Sacred light amphiptere cavalry.
Magic: Fire, Earth and Nature. Weak Water.
Priests: Strong.
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Nation 74: Ungburg
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Race: Hoburgs, some Humans, Human auxillaries, prefers Cold scale +2.
Military: Crossbowmen. Light cavalry and heavy mechanical ant and boar cavalry. Sacred Human heavy bear cavalry.
Magic: Air, Water, Astral and Nature.
Priests: Strong, temples cost 300 gold, can perform blood sacrifices.
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And that's just two of the first three I saw. There are so many great things. So many.
Edit: Wow, looking through the advanced descriptions it looks like there are a lot of subtleties put into this. Even the nations that don't obviously have a theme or a cool hook in the basic descriptions end up with one in the advanced descriptions. I found a race of Earth/Nature-themed Caelians that are all partially fire resistant and have sacred ranger troops and commanders that shapeshift into werewolves. Another one was what appeared to be a cult of spider-god worshipping humans with a focus on Air and Death magic. They have hardy troops and spider cavalry with flying regenerating sacred troops and commanders wielding pikes that reanimate their victims.
Post by: Korbac on October 01, 2012, 04:25:53 pm
...
O_O
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Downloading tomorrow after uni...
O_O
Post by: Bluerobin on October 01, 2012, 04:31:09 pm
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Post by: TempAcc on October 01, 2012, 04:32:34 pm
Post by: Boksi on October 01, 2012, 04:33:40 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 01, 2012, 04:36:02 pm
Post by: Korbac on October 01, 2012, 04:50:36 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 01, 2012, 05:42:45 pm
EDIT: And I now officially border R'lyeh. I expect Void Beasts will start frequenting our border taverns. Remember Il Palazzo: We at Gath have a two drink minimum.
Post by: Boksi on October 02, 2012, 02:19:51 pm
New versions of AwesomeItems and AwesomeEndgame are out. Some highlights:
- Earth Boots now Earth Boot, you wear it on your head.
- Amaimon, Heliophagus General of Hell, now generates 5 Demon Knights and 1 Storm Demon per turn for his army and autocasts Army of Lead.
- Gorilon, Heliophagus Badass, now gets free Quickness (spell), has base 20 attack and defense, Ambidex 10, and 50% regeneration.
- Mabakiel, Heliophagus Lamentation of God, how autocasts Wailing Winds, has Fear 20, and Death 5.
- Angelic Ascension down to 25 pearls.
- Demonic Ascension down to 50 slaves.
- Necromantic Apotheosis down to 25 death.
- Phoenix Rebirth, 25 fire gems, Fire 9, Alteration 9, returns a dead hero as a Phoenix.(New phoenix does not have the -3 Air and -5 Fire that the pretender Phoenix does.)
- Reborn In Blood, 50 slaves, Blood 5/Nature 5, Blood 7 research, returns a dead hero as a Manticore.
- Carve From Stone, 25 earth gems, Earth 9, Alteration 9, returns a dead hero as Cyclops (pretender) complete with integral Hammer of the Cyclops.
- Gift of Reason now 6 gems instead of 20.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 02, 2012, 02:33:46 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 02, 2012, 02:50:12 pm
stuff
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? All of that is completely ridiculous, especially the Heliophagus general.
Post by: Boksi on October 02, 2012, 02:52:08 pm
That's why it's an Awesome mod, not a part of the CBM. Everything is supposed to be ridiculous, the blood uniques are just late to the party.stuff
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? All of that is completely ridiculous, especially the Heliophagus general.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 02, 2012, 04:01:48 pm
Post by: Korbac on October 02, 2012, 04:08:02 pm
Welp. I definitely need to learn how to use R'lyeh armies properly.
Well, now I've got an excuse to look at the turn! :D
Edit : Well, that went surprisingly well.
Btw, Doctor Pizzaro, I have 10 dom, so that temple trick isn't really going to work. :)
Post by: Karlito on October 02, 2012, 04:24:42 pm
I get that, but Amaimon seems overpowered even by their standards.That's why it's an Awesome mod, not a part of the CBM. Everything is supposed to be ridiculous, the blood uniques are just late to the party.stuff
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? All of that is completely ridiculous, especially the Heliophagus general.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 02, 2012, 04:30:31 pm
Heh, I was talking about an actual army of mine grinding itself to scraps on Atlantean militia.Welp. I definitely need to learn how to use R'lyeh armies properly.
Well, now I've got an excuse to look at the turn! :D
Btw, Doctor Pizzaro, I have 10 dom, so that temple trick isn't really going to work. :)You WILL dream of the Broccoli!
eventually
Post by: Korbac on October 02, 2012, 04:35:27 pm
Heh, I was talking about an actual army of mine grinding itself to scraps on Atlantean militia.Welp. I definitely need to learn how to use R'lyeh armies properly.
Well, now I've got an excuse to look at the turn! :DBtw, Doctor Pizzaro, I have 10 dom, so that temple trick isn't really going to work. :)You WILL dream of the Broccoli!
eventually
Yeah, that's fair enough. I was going to say, "Don't blame yourself, man. There was no way 15 chaff is going to beat 80 chaff with mage support."
I'm sorry, but I'm more of a Celery Man.
4d3d3d3 engaged!
Post by: Bluerobin on October 02, 2012, 04:41:22 pm
Woah there. Nice doggies. Why don't you go fetch the stick I threw over in Jomon's territory?But you've got all the trees to mark and bones to chew on!
Post by: EuchreJack on October 02, 2012, 06:33:27 pm
Well, the gold IS nice.
Oh, and protip about minotaurs: They can't trample units bigger than them, like my sacred giants. ;D
Hey Ermor, how'd you get all that Domininion? I thought you were dead.
Pangea, did you cause that revolt? Or did it just occur immediately prior to your attack?
Post by: Karlito on October 02, 2012, 08:28:11 pm
But you've got all the trees to mark and bones to chew on!Yes, but in other places, the bones won't try to chew you back.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 02, 2012, 10:00:22 pm
Yes, but in other places, the bones won't try to chew you back.True enough, for the most part. At this point I'm going to blame it on my guys wanting to go on a sailing trip.
Post by: a1s on October 03, 2012, 11:46:01 am
Hey Ermor, how'd you get all that Domininion? I thought you were dead.Let's call it a dividend of Peace. (You can also call it a strength 10 dominion :P)
That being said, I expected to be crushed several turns ago, I guess Shadowgandor only likes me for my gems.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 03, 2012, 04:08:43 pm
*still accepting applications for eternal friendship with the Broccoli. Join the Broccoli's Underwater Leisurely Love - Seminars on Highly Interesting Transcendence.
Because hating on R'lyeh is so mainstream.
Post by: Korbac on October 03, 2012, 05:44:20 pm
And that is why I must kill you.
Post by: Karlito on October 03, 2012, 06:35:08 pm
Post by: Korbac on October 03, 2012, 06:41:26 pm
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 04, 2012, 04:28:26 am
I have no reason to crush you. My PD should ward off any attacks made by you and my giants outclass and outnumber your armies. :PHey Ermor, how'd you get all that Domininion? I thought you were dead.Let's call it a dividend of Peace. (You can also call it a strength 10 dominion :P)
That being said, I expected to be crushed several turns ago, I guess Shadowgandor only likes me for my gems.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 04, 2012, 08:48:34 am
Hey Il P! Wanna kill all humans?But I don't wanna!
I wan't them to live and dream fabulous dreams.
And maybe crossbreed them with starspawns.
Post by: TempAcc on October 04, 2012, 09:50:58 am
Also, lol cavemen.
Post by: Karlito on October 04, 2012, 10:20:54 am
Well, that's just being mean.I have no reason to crush you. My PD should ward off any attacks made by you and my giants outclass and outnumber your armies. :PHey Ermor, how'd you get all that Domininion? I thought you were dead.Let's call it a dividend of Peace. (You can also call it a strength 10 dominion :P)
That being said, I expected to be crushed several turns ago, I guess Shadowgandor only likes me for my gems.
Post by: Boksi on October 04, 2012, 10:34:34 am
Abysia, Blood of HumansThose are only half-humans, though. Humanbreds, originally crosbreeding experiments of the warlocks of Smouldercone, live longer and have outbred the pureblooded Abysians. They're cold enough to handle wood without it bursting into flames, but are nevertheless 100% fire resistant. So if you were to kill all humans, you'd only half-kill the humanbreds. I'm not sure what that'd make them.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 04, 2012, 10:40:55 am
Edit: Oh, somehow I missed Karlito's comment saying basically the same. I guess I'll do what Boksi did and say you have to make sure to remove the werewolves and the Vanir from Midgard, maybe the berserkers if you say they're magically altered.
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 04, 2012, 03:41:58 pm
Midgard, Age of Men; Abysia, Blood of Humans, Gath is mostly composed of human tribes too.Sorry, didn't mean to come of like that. :-\Well, that's just being mean.I have no reason to crush you. My PD should ward off any attacks made by you and my giants outclass and outnumber your armies. :PHey Ermor, how'd you get all that Domininion? I thought you were dead.Let's call it a dividend of Peace. (You can also call it a strength 10 dominion :P)
That being said, I expected to be crushed several turns ago, I guess Shadowgandor only likes me for my gems.
Post by: Korbac on October 04, 2012, 05:14:13 pm
Midgard, Age of Men; Abysia, Blood of Humans, Gath is mostly composed of human tribes too.Sorry, didn't mean to come of like that. :-\Well, that's just being mean.I have no reason to crush you. My PD should ward off any attacks made by you and my giants outclass and outnumber your armies. :PHey Ermor, how'd you get all that Domininion? I thought you were dead.Let's call it a dividend of Peace. (You can also call it a strength 10 dominion :P)
That being said, I expected to be crushed several turns ago, I guess Shadowgandor only likes me for my gems.
Ignore Karlito. He's just trying to sow dissent among you lot. He knows he's going to be eaten by Midgard and Gath. :P
Post by: Bluerobin on October 04, 2012, 05:21:00 pm
Also, it turns out mercenary hiring happens after battles in turn order. I knew I should have looked that up before I tried to snipe-hire his elephants.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 04, 2012, 08:07:54 pm
Om nom no- OW. Yeah, but he's not going down without a fight.I can second that! And remember: Pangea attacked first.
Also, it turns out mercenary hiring happens after battles in turn order. I knew I should have looked that up before I tried to snipe-hire his elephants.I hope you got to keep your money (I'm guessing you hired mercs to a territory that you no longer controlled during the hiring).
Post by: Bluerobin on October 04, 2012, 08:11:05 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 04, 2012, 08:17:31 pm
My guess is that the leader died in the battle.He was the first one to go down. I'm fairly certain I got my bid back, so it's a good bet that you did too.
Post by: Korbac on October 04, 2012, 08:19:34 pm
OBSCURO, MY LOVER, PLEASE RETURN TO MY PALACE <3
Post by: EuchreJack on October 05, 2012, 05:37:04 am
My guess is that the leader died in the battle.He was the first one to go down. I'm fairly certain I got my bid back, so it's a good bet that you did too.
Overall, I consider it a good result. It means no fighting against Hannibal.
Post by: Karlito on October 05, 2012, 09:34:14 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 07, 2012, 09:44:40 am
Due to this fact, I'm going to sneakily postpone the game for another 24 hours, by which time I should have my turn in.
Post by: Karlito on October 07, 2012, 10:42:17 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 08, 2012, 01:41:02 pm
I need to ramp up my propaganda to expand my fanbase - I've lost the lead in the polls!
Post by: Boksi on October 08, 2012, 02:57:58 pm
The result wasn't so strange, but my mind is even more boggled at Gath's pretender design than it was before. I won't post anymore on that subject.
Also, I know this is a bit rude, but would you guys mind if I made a little mini-LP of how I think Gath should be played?
Post by: Karlito on October 08, 2012, 03:11:43 pm
The result wasn't so strange, but my mind is even more boggled at Gath's pretender design than it was before. I won't post anymore on that subject.
Yeah, I'm not really sure what he was going for either.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 08, 2012, 03:15:03 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 08, 2012, 03:30:51 pm
Plus Booze's strategy apparently also involved hanging around outside the Capital without anyone to guard him, so I'd call that a pretty big flaw. :D
Post by: EuchreJack on October 08, 2012, 03:55:54 pm
Also, I know this is a bit rude, but would you guys mind if I made a little mini-LP of how I think Gath should be played?
I wouldn't mind. Go ahead.
Well, it sort of seems like he was designed to do a little bit of everything, and while flexibility in your design could eventually pay off in the late game, it's not as immediately useful as a pretender with a strong bless for the giants or rainbow-mage with paths for all the national spells.
Plus Booze's strategy apparently also involved hanging around outside the Capital without anyone to guard him, so I'd call that a pretty big flaw. :D
Yeah, my pretender is based around the late game. I figured my Giants could hold their own until then.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 08, 2012, 03:59:11 pm
That brings up a question, though. If you lose your pretender, what happens to a bless you may have? Does the effectiveness go down immediately or does it wait until you revive him/her? Or does it not go down at all, even with the reduced paths (like how it doesn't go up if you empower)?
Post by: Karlito on October 08, 2012, 04:02:05 pm
Or does it not go down at all, even with the reduced pathsThis one. Bless is fixed at the start of the game and can't be changed by anything.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 08, 2012, 04:02:33 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 08, 2012, 04:12:54 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 08, 2012, 04:14:07 pm
Post by: Boksi on October 08, 2012, 04:17:49 pm
It's a shame there was no one left on the battlefield to drink his corpse.Well there was that one Dryad. I don't think she could drink much of him, though.
I'd also like to remind people of my suggestion of a mini-LP. I was offering to showcase how I think Gath ought to be played, if nobody minds.
Post by: Karlito on October 08, 2012, 04:19:09 pm
It's a shame there was no one left on the battlefield to drink his corpse.Well there was that one Dryad. I don't think she could drink much of him, though.
She could hardly have a Pangaean Drunken Orgy with only herself.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 08, 2012, 04:28:40 pm
R'lyeh is back, with a vengeance. The first batch of escapee eskimo slave workers has been put out of their misery by the glorious armies of the mighty Broccoli. Praise the Vegetable.
I need to ramp up my propaganda to expand my fanbase - I've lost the lead in the polls!
I wasn't even aware that poll was still open. Go Korbac!
Post by: Korbac on October 08, 2012, 04:32:16 pm
So, people of the jury, I ask you.
Why?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 08, 2012, 04:34:38 pm
Or maybe people just like Japanese Porn. :P
Post by: Karlito on October 08, 2012, 04:35:25 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 08, 2012, 04:43:30 pm
You're first in forts and have the largest army of the non-freespawn nations. Also tentacles.
Tentacles?
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 08, 2012, 04:53:18 pm
Euchre, you're still innocent. You haven't been exposed to the horrors of animated Japanese erotica.You're first in forts and have the largest army of the non-freespawn nations. Also tentacles.
Tentacles?
Post by: Karlito on October 08, 2012, 04:55:35 pm
As for army orders and mage scripting, is there really that much of a trick to it? I mean, put your infantry in squads and set them to attack, set your archers to fire, maybe have cavalry in the flanks attacking rear. I guess the real difficulty in mage scripting is just picking out your research goals in the first place, but otherwise you just set them to blast the other guy or buff your own troops depending on what they're good at. Jomon has some guys that could form a communion, and those take some practice, but even people who know what they're doing screw those up sometimes.
Post by: Boksi on October 08, 2012, 05:05:59 pm
Tentacles are inextricably linked to Japanese porn in my mind, for some unknown reason. ::) It doesn't matter that he's fighting against the tentacled monstrosities in this case, in fact, it's all the more fitting.There's some incredibly clever things you can do with battlefield placement, but you have to be incredibly clever to pull them off. Especially when going against other players rather than the AI.
As for army orders and mage scripting, is there really that much of a trick to it? I mean, put your infantry in squads and set them to attack, set your archers to fire, maybe have cavalry in the flanks attacking rear. I guess the real difficulty in mage scripting is just picking out your research goals in the first place, but otherwise you just set them to blast the other guy or buff your own troops depending on what they're good at. Jomon has some guys that could form a communion, and those take some practice, but even people who know what they're doing screw those up sometimes.
Anyway, Jomon really needs to leverage their Onmyo-ji(is that how it's spelled?). Baalz's guide is a great start. (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=37499)
Post by: EuchreJack on October 08, 2012, 05:11:18 pm
Tentacles are inextricably linked to Japanese porn in my mind, for some unknown reason. ::) It doesn't matter that he's fighting against the tentacled monstrosities in this case, in fact, it's all the more fitting.There's some incredibly clever things you can do with battlefield placement, but you have to be incredibly clever to pull them off. Especially when going against other players rather than the AI.
As for army orders and mage scripting, is there really that much of a trick to it? I mean, put your infantry in squads and set them to attack, set your archers to fire, maybe have cavalry in the flanks attacking rear. I guess the real difficulty in mage scripting is just picking out your research goals in the first place, but otherwise you just set them to blast the other guy or buff your own troops depending on what they're good at. Jomon has some guys that could form a communion, and those take some practice, but even people who know what they're doing screw those up sometimes.
Anyway, Jomon really needs to leverage their Onmyo-ji(is that how it's spelled?). Baalz's guide is a great start. (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=37499)
Speaking of battlefield placement, I rate it highly among the causes of death of my God. That and insufficient escort while touring the front lines. Oops.
Well done Karlito, now prepare to die!
Post by: Boksi on October 08, 2012, 08:29:38 pm
So what makes a Pretender? The desires and needs of his/her/its people of course! When you make you pretender, you consider what your nation wants.
-First off, does it have good sacred units? And what kind of bless would benefit them?
-What scales does it benefit the most from? What scales does it lose the least from?
-Does the nation have a strong or weak early game? If it's weak, can it hold off an early rush?
-What magic does you nation have? Would it benefit from increased diversity?
So let's ask Gath these questions:
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-It has powerful cap-only giants and recruit-everywhere Levites.
-As a blood nation it wants growth, and its human soldiers need more resources than gold. The Iassacharite Sages are very efficient researchers with magic 1: 4 RP for 50 gold(but do we want efficiency or power here?). They've got alright PD as well as fortune tellers, so misfortune is fine.
-It's got powerful cap-only sacred giants with magic weapons that should be able to put down most year-1 rushes. It can also expand prety effectively.
-Not counting 10% randoms or summons, it can reach 3F, 3E, 4S, 4N, 3D and 2B with boosters. Unempowered, its mages can cast most spells use those paths, except N/D and N/B. These are fairly strong paths on their own, but a little diversification into water to summon Naiads and Kokythiai wouldn't hurt. A pretender with national paths could help craft the boosters the nation otherwise can't reach, especially if he can craft rings of wizardry.
Alright, let's get cracking. First, the chassis. I've decided to pick the Son of the Moon, a titan with 2F4S and no other notable features. Not exaclty a chassis for the classic giant E/N bless, but then again this strategy isn't going to center on sacred giants. Crazy, huh?
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I've bumped his paths up to 4F/9S. Besides the bless, he'll be able to forge the flaming helmet and ring of wizardry. Sometimes you might want to take a suboptimal bless because you really want a certain combination of paths for your nation, but remember that a pretender can only do one thing per turn.
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After a bit of consideration, I decided to imprison him. We won't need his help in the early game, hopefully, and there isn't that much he can do for us that better scales won't make up for.
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Gath prefers it a bit hot, and we start with a Dominion of 4, which is nice. We want production and growth at the very least, plus magic if we can squeeze it in. Oh, and a high dominion. Not for the awe, but for the sacreds.
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Alright, those are the scales. Dominion 10 might seem to be a bit high, but it's all good. Those are some good scales, we've got plenty of money, resources and population. All that's left is naming our pretender! And there's really only one name we can give him...
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OK! Now we start actually playing the game, right? Well, yes and no. This isn't a whole LP, so I won't be going and conquering the entire world. In fact, I won't play very much at all. It's almost more like a guide than a Let's Play. Well, anyway, let's start playing.
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Oh, look at that! It's World of Warhammer! And we're in Warhammer Scandinavia. Alright, let's quickly go through the units we have:
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I'll cover the capital-only units last, right after the commanders:
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Gath has three capital-only units, two of which are commanders and all of which are giants.
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Well, that was a lot of words. So what are we recruiting? A Yeddeoni and some Gibborim. We yank the taxes up to 140%, send our army out to address any complaints about the tax hike, and make our scout into our prophet. And then we hit end turn.
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You may recognize some of those names. In fact, I decided to put in the same nations that are in the main game.
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Our dominion has expanded. We can see that the province to the southeast is rich and lightly-defended. Let's take it. But first, let's take the one to the east so we won't have to go back for it later.
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There's no super special strategy to this or anything. Commander stays back, troops rush forward, prophet blesses and starts smiting.
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The army moves forward and the Yeddeoni starts researching.
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Here's the research screen.
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Thaumaturgy 1 is a pretty important early level for Gath to reach. It contains the communion spells, after all. Going to level 2 is enough to start remote sitesearching, if you think you can afford that. After that, Evocation and Blood are tempting early targets. Evocation allows your Yeddeoni-communions to throw around some nasty spells, like Nether Bolt, Blade Wind, Gifts from Heaven, or even Strange Fire, a national spell!
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Going for blood early allows you to summon Se'irim. They're buff goat-demons and benefit from your bless. It also lets you summon other demons, who are all pretty buff. A F4/S9 bless isn't perfect for these dudes, but it does boost their MR to 18 and helps them survive more fights. The Shedim is more of an Ashdod kind of thing, so let's ignore it.
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Gath also has a bunch of other national summons. In Enchantment, there's ancient fossil giants.
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And in Conjuration there's a bunch, but the most important are these:
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Besides Evocation and Blood, Alteration and Enchantment are nice ideas as well. Strength of Giants lets you hit harder and Raise Skeletons is a classic, while your Abbas can lay down Wooden Warriors and your Yeddeonis can cast Destruction or Iron Bane. Of course, leaving Conjuration and Construction out in the cold isn't a smart idea, you can summon your national units and gear them for some raiding, or just use the path-boosting spells and various items to improve your communions.
Anyway, I think that's enough for today. I barely did anything, but I sure wrote a lot of stuff. Maybe some of it will even be helpful to somebody, who knows? The next update will feature actual portions of world conquest and the reasoning behind Levites being awesome.
Post by: Karlito on October 08, 2012, 09:06:09 pm
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Strange Fire
eep!
Post by: Boksi on October 08, 2012, 09:18:47 pm
Well, given Gath's current situation, it'd probably be better to set up a solar rays reverse communion because all Yeddeoni can cast that. Craft a crystal matrix, give it to one dude then script the slaves like:QuoteStrange Fire
eep!
Communion Slave - Solar Raysx4
While the dude with the crystal matrix goes:
Power of the Spheres - Summone Earthpower - Whatever
Just remember to supply the communion master with a pearl to cast power of the spheres, and make sure he goes last. And make sure you've researched the necessary paths, I have no idea what EuchreJack has researched beyond probably some Construction :P
Hey, it's in my best interest to have you two waste each other's resources.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 09, 2012, 09:33:18 am
Post by: Korbac on October 09, 2012, 09:42:35 am
Take a pretender. It has to be a good one.
Recruit mages and soldiers, and attack the enemy. Do not attack people who like you.
Win the game.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 09, 2012, 09:45:56 am
My Jomon Mini - LP
Take a pretender. It has to be a good one.
Recruit mages and soldiers, and attack the enemy. Do not attack people who like you.
Win the game.
I thought it went like this:
1) Recruit Samurai Archers
2) Win game
:P
Well, given Gath's current situation, it'd probably be better to set up a solar rays reverse communion because all Yeddeoni can cast that. Craft a crystal matrix, give it to one dude then script the slaves like:QuoteStrange Fire
eep!
Communion Slave - Solar Raysx4
While the dude with the crystal matrix goes:
Power of the Spheres - Summone Earthpower - Whatever
Just remember to supply the communion master with a pearl to cast power of the spheres, and make sure he goes last. And make sure you've researched the necessary paths, I have no idea what EuchreJack has researched beyond probably some Construction :P
Hey, it's in my best interest to have you two waste each other's resources.
Question: What are the benefits/mechanics for a reverse-communion? I didn't know that communion slaves could cast spells.
Post by: Karlito on October 09, 2012, 10:00:37 am
I thought it went like this:Or, more specifically
1) Recruit Samurai Archers
2) Win game
:P
1) Samurai Archers
2) Alteration 4
3) Enchantment 5
4) Small Onmyo-Ji Communion casts Wind Guide + Flaming Arrows
5) Win Game
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Question: What are the benefits/mechanics for a reverse-communion? I didn't know that communion slaves could cast spells.Slaves inherit buffs cast by communion masters. So you can have one master cast power of the spheres and then all the slaves also get power of the spheres (note that another master in the communion wouldn't get power of the spheres). A typical reverse-communion tactic is to have some masters cast a bunch of self-buffs and then have your slaves-who-are-now-thugs attack the enemy in melee. You have to be careful when doing something like that, since losing a bunch of communion slaves is really bad, even if you win that particular battle. For example, it'd be an effective tactic against an army of chaffy manikins, but not if that army also contains minotaurs ;).
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 09, 2012, 12:06:23 pm
Question: What are the benefits/mechanics for a reverse-communion? I didn't know that communion slaves could cast spells.The other important bits of information to remember are:
1.All the communion slaves that in a given round have cast their spells AFTER the master will NOT do anything else in battle but sit there and soak up the fatigue.
All the slaves casting BEFORE the master can still continue to act in the following turns.
2.The commander ID number is the order in which they cast spells in battle. So the mages you've recruited erlier will cast their spells earlier in battle. You can find out which mage has a lower ID number(casts earlier) by looking at the army screen - the topmost mages cast spells first.
Remember that you can view all the armies arriving in a given province at once(i.e.in one army screen) by giving them all move orders, selecting the destination province, and selecting the army screen.
Check these two guides on communion for more information:
http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/User:TheDemon/Communion_Guide
http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/User:Baalz/Guide_to_communions
the former one is more concise, the latter is more in-depth, if less clearly laid out.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 09, 2012, 05:37:16 pm
EDIT: But after seeing the graphs, I still think your nation needs to perish. Research? Scary. Forts? Scary. Provinces? Scary. Gems income? Scary. Army? Next turn, you'll have more troops than the independents.
The only thing you really lack is gold. But with all those gems, I'm sure you'll come up with something.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 10, 2012, 07:03:57 am
For as long as me and TempAcc are slugging it out, the rest of you can ignore the issue, but as soon as one of us manages to dominate the seas, you should all bury your hatchets and figure out how to get rid of the winner.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 10, 2012, 12:07:39 pm
you should all bury your hatchets and figure out how to get rid of the Il Palazzo.
Got it. :P
Post by: Bluerobin on October 11, 2012, 03:03:20 pm
First, a mod nation I played around with a little bit, Myconos (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=514). It has some interesting mechanics with units with secondshape and units changing over time. The Dom3Mods forum as a whole is worth a look if you haven't poked around before.
Second, a couple Ermor LPs (http://devnada.wordpress.com/). I've been looking for LPs and other than the one on the lparchive (http://lparchive.org/Dominions-3) and a couple on the SA forums there aren't a whole lot out there. These aren't finished (and judging by the dates they might not ever be), but they're a look at EA and LA Ermor through turn 40ish.
Third, and probably coolest, the Dom3 Mod Inspector (http://dom3-mod-inspector.googlecode.com/svn/branches/i-s-u/index.html?mod=CB1.94.dm&page=spell&showids=1&showmodcmds=1&unitkey=modded&itemkey=modded&spellkey=modded&unittype=1&unitnat=1). Particularly useful for looking at units without having to look at them in-game, it shows differences between the base game and mods. So far it looks like it includes AwesomeGods, CBM, and DominionsEnhanced and it's nice and slick with some cool filters.
Post by: Korbac on October 11, 2012, 05:18:16 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 11, 2012, 06:54:29 pm
Post by: Korbac on October 11, 2012, 06:59:30 pm
Yeah, I usually try and add some time if I notice it's a few hours away from the deadline and there's still a turn out.
You're a nice guy. :)
Post by: Karlito on October 11, 2012, 09:36:08 pm
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Post by: Bluerobin on October 11, 2012, 09:38:17 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 12, 2012, 01:36:41 am
I also approve of the work you're doing.Et tu, Brute?
Post by: Karlito on October 12, 2012, 09:12:49 am
Back into the Seas where you belong!I also approve of the work you're doing.Et tu, Brute?
And if you're Caesar, then Korbac is Pompey, EuchreJack is Gaul, and I'll be Augustus.
EDIT: Oh and TempAcc can be Ptolemy or something.
Post by: TempAcc on October 12, 2012, 10:34:24 am
Also, sorry for the late upload and stuff, they should be going faster on my end now that I finally did present my thesis and etc.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 12, 2012, 11:29:51 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 12, 2012, 11:31:10 am
As far as I'm concerned, you're all quickly proving to be one big Gaul to me. The only questions I'm still unlcear on are: who's the Helveti, who's the Belgae, which one of you is Vercingetorix, and who wants to enlist in the auxilia.I could pretend to follow along before, but that's just so far beyond the limits of my abilities to make crap up...
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 12, 2012, 11:40:48 am
Post by: Karlito on October 12, 2012, 11:55:12 am
Post by: Boksi on October 12, 2012, 02:49:09 pm
I've left these guys alone long enough. I'll take that province or die trying. Given that I'm using vampires, the latter won't be a problem.
They're VQ freespawn, in case you're wondering.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 12, 2012, 03:56:21 pm
Edit: I feel like that's the battlecry of vampires in Dom3 unless you have a ton of them. "WE'LL GET 'EM EVENTUALLY! CHAAAARGE!"
Post by: Korbac on October 12, 2012, 05:57:55 pm
Also, Forting is a hobby of mine. CASH!!! £££££££££££
Post by: Karlito on October 12, 2012, 06:31:58 pm
And there's all the time in the world for Gath and / or Midgard to betray me between now and then.
Don't worry about that; they're otherwise engaged.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 12, 2012, 07:38:41 pm
Oh, I can probably keep up. I'm sure Il Palazzo considers me part of the auxilia. He's even been nice enough to give me some land! And I'm sure he won't mind more of my people moving into his territories over the next few months.As far as I'm concerned, you're all quickly proving to be one big Gaul to me. The only questions I'm still unlcear on are: who's the Helveti, who's the Belgae, which one of you is Vercingetorix, and who wants to enlist in the auxilia.I could pretend to follow along before, but that's just so far beyond the limits of my abilities to make crap up...
Definitely. I'm already fighting on two fronts.And there's all the time in the world for Gath and / or Midgard to betray me between now and then.
Don't worry about that; they're otherwise engaged.
Post by: Korbac on October 12, 2012, 08:31:01 pm
Well... as long as you can take a few down, you get to try as many times as you want, I guess. You'll get em eventually!\
Edit: I feel like that's the battlecry of vampires in Dom3 unless you have a ton of them. "WE'LL GET 'EM EVENTUALLY! CHAAAARGE!"
This was basically my battlecry against the first independent province in the last game. :P
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 13, 2012, 05:02:47 am
Pfft. More like the Germanic tribes, I reckon. Deluding themselves that their large stature is enough to challenge the might ofOh, I can probably keep up. I'm sure Il Palazzo considers me part of the auxilia. He's even been nice enough to give me some land! And I'm sure he won't mind more of my people moving into his territories over the next few months.As far as I'm concerned, you're all quickly proving to be one big Gaul to me. The only questions I'm still unlcear on are: who's the Helveti, who's the Belgae, which one of you is Vercingetorix, and who wants to enlist in the auxilia.I could pretend to follow along before, but that's just so far beyond the limits of my abilities to make crap up...
Post by: Karlito on October 13, 2012, 09:03:50 am
Where he'll be promptly eaten by the trees :P.Pfft. More like the Germanic tribes, I reckon. Deluding themselves that their large stature is enough to challenge the might ofOh, I can probably keep up. I'm sure Il Palazzo considers me part of the auxilia. He's even been nice enough to give me some land! And I'm sure he won't mind more of my people moving into his territories over the next few months.As far as I'm concerned, you're all quickly proving to be one big Gaul to me. The only questions I'm still unlcear on are: who's the Helveti, who's the Belgae, which one of you is Vercingetorix, and who wants to enlist in the auxilia.I could pretend to follow along before, but that's just so far beyond the limits of my abilities to make crap up...RomeR'lyeh. I should visit your territory, burn some villages, maybe build a bridge while I'm at it, and you'll go right back to your forests.
Post by: Korbac on October 13, 2012, 09:49:16 am
Post by: TempAcc on October 13, 2012, 11:29:35 am
Post by: Karlito on October 13, 2012, 11:31:38 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 13, 2012, 11:33:00 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 13, 2012, 01:40:20 pm
Now it's just Korbac. The same Korbac that is now leading in the polls!
Curse you, curse youuuu!
Post by: Korbac on October 13, 2012, 06:33:14 pm
Edit : Don't worry, I'll do it now. MAN UP AND ALL THAT
Also the fact that I thought I had until 1:30 PM tomorrow and not AM :P
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2012, 06:43:51 pm
It's nice to be loved. :PWhere he'll be promptly eaten by the trees :P.Pfft. More like the Germanic tribes, I reckon. Deluding themselves that their large stature is enough to challenge the might ofOh, I can probably keep up. I'm sure Il Palazzo considers me part of the auxilia. He's even been nice enough to give me some land! And I'm sure he won't mind more of my people moving into his territories over the next few months.As far as I'm concerned, you're all quickly proving to be one big Gaul to me. The only questions I'm still unlcear on are: who's the Helveti, who's the Belgae, which one of you is Vercingetorix, and who wants to enlist in the auxilia.I could pretend to follow along before, but that's just so far beyond the limits of my abilities to make crap up...RomeR'lyeh. I should visit your territory, burn some villages, maybe build a bridge while I'm at it, and you'll go right back to your forests.
Il Palazzo, would you mind if I post exactly why I fear you so much? By which I mean unit pictures.
Post by: Karlito on October 13, 2012, 07:19:06 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2012, 07:30:44 pm
Oh man, stupid me forgetting to ctrl move my sneaky commanders. :(
We at Gath salute you!
Still doesn't make up for you killing our god...
Post by: Bluerobin on October 13, 2012, 08:29:00 pm
Edit: Whoa. I haven't been a fan of Misfortune scales recently, but that turn changed my mind. Not that it'll help a lot, mind you, my Drain scales are still obnoxious and a choice I regret.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2012, 01:09:52 am
Yeah, stealthy commanders are a bit of a pain.
Edit: Whoa. I haven't been a fan of Misfortune scales recently, but that turn changed my mind. Not that it'll help a lot, mind you, my Drain scales are still obnoxious and a choice I regret.
Everyone loves the land of Gath. Pretty good scales, hence why Booze wasn't that tough. Ok, ok, so there is no such thing as "law and order" in Gath, but for a country that worships intoxicating beverages, what did you expect? ;D
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 14, 2012, 03:37:44 am
Drain scales are still obnoxious and a choice I regret.I also regret your choice. We at R'lyeh have been enjoying your fabulous scales for quite a while, but this drain is making our Atlantean friends so much harder to lobotomise in combat.
Il Palazzo, would you mind if I post exactly why I fear you so much? By which I mean unit pictures.What, you mean Flying Spaghetti Monster's entourage? It's your piece of intelligence, I can hardly tell you what to do with it - especially since we're at war, eh?
But you should realise that it's got nothing to do with skill. I've been damn lucky so far. Both with summons and with heroes.
Post by: Karlito on October 14, 2012, 10:41:00 am
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Post by: Korbac on October 14, 2012, 02:47:32 pm
I too have been pretty lucky - mostly with my neighbour situation. The barbarians which insist on taking my provinces at random are a bit annoying.
Post by: Boksi on October 14, 2012, 02:56:27 pm
Oh hey, you got some free units! And they've got tower shields for chaff duty rather than being freaking markata!
And hey, you got some free PD!
Oh look, some free nature gems!
And here, have some free money!
I might even have a use for the nature gems someday outside of trading them or alchemizing into pearls :3
Post by: Korbac on October 14, 2012, 04:48:24 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 14, 2012, 05:15:33 pm
Post by: Korbac on October 14, 2012, 05:18:52 pm
Post by: Boksi on October 14, 2012, 05:31:37 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2012, 07:54:16 pm
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Thanks for beating me to that.
Speaking of which, view Flying Spagetti Monster and FriendsTM.
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Aren't they cute? Now tell me how to kill them! For those who don't wish Il Evil to know of counters, The Nation of Gath welcomes P.hantom M.essages.
Oh, and I miss the Gath LP. I'd even be ok with it continuing here. I'd like to find out if EuchreJack succeeds in conquering Warhammer Scandinavia in that alternate reality (especially in the face of Gath's utter failure to do so under my command)! Plus, I've been waiting to hear why Zealots don't suck (I'm not a fan of their short weapons).
Post by: Boksi on October 14, 2012, 08:37:45 pm
PS: I'm trying to figure out Vastness counters myself. Right now I'm thinking a bunch of blood mages casting pain transfer and blood burst, or life for a life once I research it. I hope pain transfer works the way I think it does.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 14, 2012, 09:07:54 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 14, 2012, 09:11:18 pm
Mages (they have high magic resistance) equipped with bows (since they have 0 protection) could be an option. Horror marking might work over an extended period of time.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 14, 2012, 09:13:23 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 14, 2012, 09:14:36 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 14, 2012, 09:18:10 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2012, 09:21:43 pm
So even if I create the ultimate Vastness destroyer, I also need something that I can mass-produce and station everywhere. Pretty much the only benefit is PD (mine includes a random bloodmage/priest at 20).
Post by: Karlito on October 14, 2012, 09:40:57 pm
So even if I create the ultimate Vastness destroyer, I also need something that I can mass-produce and station everywhere. Pretty much the only benefit is PD (mine includes a random bloodmage/priest at 20).
Or just have one with your army and ignore his raiding.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2012, 10:47:40 pm
Four. He has four Vastness with his Visitor prophet, and the commander's no slouch either.So even if I create the ultimate Vastness destroyer, I also need something that I can mass-produce and station everywhere. Pretty much the only benefit is PD (mine includes a random bloodmage/priest at 20).
Or just have one with your army and ignore his raiding.
Overall, the hardest part about devising Anti-Vastness/Anti-Visitor strategies is the fact that I can't reliably create a Visitor-Vastness army for test purposes. Vastness are a rare summon from R'lyeh's Hole 'O Fun, and the Visitor just shows up whenever it choses it. It took
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 15, 2012, 02:49:41 am
Providing you divert your silly company of oversized Israelites from going further into my precious lands. Besides, these precious lands are not so precious anyway. I've been bleeding them dry ever since I got them, so unrest is in the hundreds. You're better off invading the lush, fertile, sexy Jomon.
Oh, and don't listen to Karlito. You should totally listen to my lies.
As for the anti-Visitor's Inquisition(nobody expects etc.) methods - you've got astral mages, right? Magic Duel gives 100% success chance of winning only if a given mage has six astral picks more than the other one. With Visitor's 4S it gives even 1S astral mages a chance at instakilling him(it?).
(note, magic boosters don't count in magic duels)
Post by: EuchreJack on October 15, 2012, 03:31:18 am
Euchre, come on. Who says I'm going to fly around your puny kingdom and burn your precious temples? I only took one watery province from you, and might just as well stop at that. You took one, I took one.
Thanks for telling me EXACTLY where you'll be striking next turn. Especially since I never took a temple from you. Quite foolish of you to tell me you'll be attacking my temple this turn, especially since only one of any of my coastal provinces has a temple.
Oh, and don't listen to Karlito. You should totally listen to my lies.
I'm at war with Karlito's Pangea. It seems you don't want me to make peace with him and divert all my forces to attack you. While I'm normally happy to leave everyone but you alone, Pangea's Carron Woods unit generation plus Mother of Monsters unit generation leads to unstoppable unit generation that I feel the need to combat. Plus they killed my God. That sucked. But since it scares you so, I'll consider peace with Pangea, if the price is right. :P
As for the anti-Visitor's Inquisition(nobody expects etc.) methods - you've got astral mages, right? Magic Duel gives 100% success chance of winning only if a given mage has six astral picks more than the other one. With Visitor's 4S it gives even 1S astral mages a chance at instakilling him(it?).I must commend you for offering a way to kill your own overpowered troops. Mighty cool. I'm still going to destroy you, but I respect you. In fact, my colossal fear and fury is mostly out of respect for your awesomeness.
(note, magic boosters don't count in magic duels)
You're better off invading the lush, fertile, sexy Jomon.But if I did that, I'd risk destroying the source of Japanese Porno! And I really, really like Japanese Porno. Long live the sexy Jomon! ;D
Post by: Bluerobin on October 15, 2012, 11:27:54 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 15, 2012, 12:39:21 pm
Overall, the hardest part about devising Anti-Vastness/Anti-Visitor strategies is the fact that I can't reliably create a Visitor-Vastness army for test purposes.About that.
When examining battles, you can press 'U'(upper case) to create units on the battlefield. I've never played with this feature much, so I'm not sure if it's only enemy units you can create this way. (Perhaps the affiliation depends on which side of the battlefield they're placed?)
Anyway, you can't create commanders, or at least I don't know how, and you can't give orders. There might be some more detailed description of the feature available somewhere, but a cursory search hasn't found any.
Post by: Karlito on October 15, 2012, 03:09:05 pm
Less funny is that I now completely broke.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 15, 2012, 06:39:37 pm
Hehe, appropriately Bogus (and friends) appeared in Troll Country.
Less funny is that I now completely broke.
One person's tragedy is another person's comedy. :P
Argh, all this ganging up on Il P makes me want to be friends with him... until I realize that if I do that he'll build up and just Wish me away. Or drown me in insane people. Or both, plus mind hunts. Oh well, may as well stay friends for now.Trust me, if you'd taken one of his provinces, you'd know how dire it is to wipe him out. The entire R'lyeh territory is a "bring your own lunch" zone. And it's only getting worse.
Post by: Karlito on October 15, 2012, 06:42:27 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 15, 2012, 06:44:16 pm
And supply usage in Pangaea is -342. I'm sure all the would-be besiegers are grateful for that at least.
Party at Pangea's Pad! They're even supplying the beer!
Post by: Korbac on October 15, 2012, 06:58:59 pm
And supply usage in Pangaea is -342. I'm sure all the would-be besiegers are grateful for that at least.
I'd buy those supplies at 1 gold a supply a turn, if the game had a logistics model. :P
Post by: Bluerobin on October 15, 2012, 07:01:01 pm
Trust me, if you'd taken one of his provinces, you'd know how dire it is to wipe him out. The entire R'lyeh territory is a "bring your own lunch" zone. And it's only getting worse.Yeah, that's might be a problem for me at some point. I'm cut off on the bottom by Ermor and R'lyeh, so if I want to attack anything from the south I'm going to be making some broth to take with me.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 15, 2012, 07:10:32 pm
And supply usage in Pangaea is -342. I'm sure all the would-be besiegers are grateful for that at least.
I'd buy those supplies at 1 gold a supply a turn, if the game had a logistics model. :P
So would I. R'lyeh is a terrible host for parties: My men are fighting the rats for scraps.
Post by: Korbac on October 15, 2012, 08:16:11 pm
Trust me, if you'd taken one of his provinces, you'd know how dire it is to wipe him out. The entire R'lyeh territory is a "bring your own lunch" zone. And it's only getting worse.Yeah, that's might be a problem for me at some point. I'm cut off on the bottom by Ermor and R'lyeh, so if I want to attack anything from the south I'm going to be making some broth to take with me.
You could, of course, seize my rich, undefended northlands. :P
Post by: Bluerobin on October 15, 2012, 08:43:52 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 16, 2012, 02:57:22 am
Trust me, if you'd taken one of his provinces, you'd know how dire it is to wipe him out. The entire R'lyeh territory is a "bring your own lunch" zone. And it's only getting worse.I resent this statement. Caves and provinces bordering Ermor have supply problems regardless of the political affiliation of the local government.
Drawing conclusion about the entirety of R'lyeh empire from your brief southern incursion is just silly.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 16, 2012, 04:10:01 am
Lies. My army didn't have any trouble in all those other caves that brought me to your territory. And I haven't seen Ermor's presence yet. Ergo, it's your dominion.Trust me, if you'd taken one of his provinces, you'd know how dire it is to wipe him out. The entire R'lyeh territory is a "bring your own lunch" zone. And it's only getting worse.I resent this statement. Caves and provinces bordering Ermor have supply problems regardless of the political affiliation of the local government.
Drawing conclusion about the entirety of R'lyeh empire from your brief southern incursion is just silly.
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 16, 2012, 05:32:21 am
It could actually be Ermor. They're pretty close to the southern borders of your nation and their dominion has spread around quite a bit :PLies. My army didn't have any trouble in all those other caves that brought me to your territory. And I haven't seen Ermor's presence yet. Ergo, it's your dominion.Trust me, if you'd taken one of his provinces, you'd know how dire it is to wipe him out. The entire R'lyeh territory is a "bring your own lunch" zone. And it's only getting worse.I resent this statement. Caves and provinces bordering Ermor have supply problems regardless of the political affiliation of the local government.
Drawing conclusion about the entirety of R'lyeh empire from your brief southern incursion is just silly.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 16, 2012, 05:35:55 am
Very well. I'll just have to capture more of R'lyeh's lands in order to give a proper assessment of their lands. For Science!It could actually be Ermor. They're pretty close to the southern borders of your nation and their dominion has spread around quite a bit :PLies. My army didn't have any trouble in all those other caves that brought me to your territory. And I haven't seen Ermor's presence yet. Ergo, it's your dominion.Trust me, if you'd taken one of his provinces, you'd know how dire it is to wipe him out. The entire R'lyeh territory is a "bring your own lunch" zone. And it's only getting worse.I resent this statement. Caves and provinces bordering Ermor have supply problems regardless of the political affiliation of the local government.
Drawing conclusion about the entirety of R'lyeh empire from your brief southern incursion is just silly.
Post by: Korbac on October 16, 2012, 06:26:21 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 17, 2012, 12:04:58 am
Post by: Karlito on October 17, 2012, 09:16:00 am
Oh wow do I need more force multipliers.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 17, 2012, 09:19:46 am
Post by: Karlito on October 17, 2012, 10:06:26 am
You've also got those Volvas with astral magic that could be communion slaves, though you'd have to supply your would-be sabbath masters with bloodslaves so they don't take 99 fatigue right off the bat.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 17, 2012, 10:11:32 am
Post by: TempAcc on October 17, 2012, 07:33:49 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2012, 12:56:18 am
And once you cease to be a threat, he'll go after that annoying guy that has been taking his territory and generally moving folks against him. AKA me.
So, I'm rather partial to you not going AI. We could extend the turns a bit, if you think you'll have time a couple times a week. Plus, it'll slow things down, and I'm certain the game will still be here in December.
Remember: Once you go AI, you can't go back.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 18, 2012, 01:15:28 am
If you really need to go, though, perhaps it'd be better to look for a replacement first.
After all, Atlantis is strong at the moment, even if also in the precarious situation of being invaded.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2012, 01:42:30 am
Yeah, I'd be in favour of keeping you here, TempAcc, even if it means extending the hosting period.
If you really need to go, though, perhaps it'd be better to look for a replacement first.
After all, Atlantis is strong at the moment, even if also in the precarious situation of being invaded.
I agree with the "replacement better than AI" idea, although I'd much prefer TempAcc remain at the helm.
I'd also like to hear more about this "invasion". Perhaps the Community-at-Large can help out with tactics or sympathy gifts, especially if the perpetrator of the invasion is Everyone's Favorite Squid.
Post by: Korbac on October 18, 2012, 07:52:37 am
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2012, 08:12:34 am
I myself *almost* found myself in this situation, so you have my sympathies. I'm up for making the game bi - weekly if it helps. :)
While I agree, I'd prefer the game to at least stay weekly. But if bi-weekly keeps us all in, then I'm all for it.
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 18, 2012, 08:50:56 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 18, 2012, 09:50:09 am
If TempAcc ends up wanting to bow out and look for a replacement, changing the title of the thread should bring in someone who wants to play. I got the feeling there are at least one or two people who might want in.
Post by: Karlito on October 18, 2012, 10:08:25 am
But if it comes to it, I'd rather we at least looked for a replacement before setting Atlantis to AI.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 18, 2012, 10:09:54 am
Post by: Karlito on October 18, 2012, 10:17:03 am
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 18, 2012, 10:22:57 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 18, 2012, 10:34:10 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 18, 2012, 10:56:58 am
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 18, 2012, 11:53:34 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 18, 2012, 11:54:59 am
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2012, 12:00:20 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 18, 2012, 12:02:05 pm
Post by: TempAcc on October 18, 2012, 01:04:53 pm
D: also if you guys do a unitgen game now, try to finish it before december cause I've been wanting to try one and I'll only be reasonably free by december.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 18, 2012, 01:16:05 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 18, 2012, 01:19:49 pm
I could stay if you guys want, but a replacement player would prob keep the game more fun for you guys, atlantis is still in a decent place, I'm just having a hard time doing turns and stuff.
Well, what kind of turn length would you want to stay? I'd be fine with, say, setting this game to once a week turns for some time and then going for a 24-hour turn unitgen game with those that wanted to. Though I do think we'd need unanimous agreement to slow the pace of the game down even more.
Post by: TempAcc on October 18, 2012, 01:44:26 pm
I'll likely be watching the thread from time to time if you guys make a unitgen game though, so make sure to post screenies :P
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2012, 02:01:24 pm
1) Changing the title of the thread to look for a replacement.
2) A brief ceasefire between R'lyeh and Atlantis, at least until the replacement adjusts.
Having played as a replacement myself, I can attest that it is nice not to start in the middle of a war, and to have the luxury of forming my own links with the players.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 18, 2012, 02:50:26 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 18, 2012, 02:52:09 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2012, 02:55:31 pm
Is three turns of ceasefire enough? I admit that I kinda-sorta need this war, else my economy collapses and my armies die of starvation.Well, it all depends on what the replacement says, but that sounds reasonable.
You can always attack me, you know. Although, the breweries of Gath probably don't mean much to a species without mouths...
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 18, 2012, 02:57:24 pm
Oh question: how well does Growth-3 balance R'lyeh's domkilling? I know it doesn't even make a dent in Ermor's but I haven't seen R'lyeh's.IIRC, it balances out with about 3-4 candle strong dominion.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2012, 02:59:41 pm
So, presumably, if someone with Growth-3 scales were to take over your land holdings, they would be recovering nicely if you should happen to recapture them a year or so later. That explains the lack of resistance I've been getting from you...Oh question: how well does Growth-3 balance R'lyeh's domkilling? I know it doesn't even make a dent in Ermor's but I haven't seen R'lyeh's.IIRC, it balances out with about 3-4 candle strong dominion.
Post by: Boksi on October 18, 2012, 03:04:13 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 18, 2012, 03:12:38 pm
That's more because these lands you're invading are shite. There's maybe three crappy sites among all my land holdings, and the tax income could probably get substantial enough to care only after some dozen years of a growth-3 treatment.So, presumably, if someone with Growth-3 scales were to take over your land holdings, they would be recovering nicely if you should happen to recapture them a year or so later. That explains the lack of resistance I've been getting from you...Oh question: how well does Growth-3 balance R'lyeh's domkilling? I know it doesn't even make a dent in Ermor's but I haven't seen R'lyeh's.IIRC, it balances out with about 3-4 candle strong dominion.
On the other hand, Atlantis is fertile and magic-heavy.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 19, 2012, 02:08:34 pm
I found one that had protection 17 sacred units with awe whose weapons brought enemies back as undead (add an earth 9 or fire 9 bless and they turned nasty, fast), a nation of astral-magic using lizardmen with hydras and incredibly durable but slow-moving troops (poison resistant astral mages + hydras = ethereal hydras!), a nation with sacred rangers with glamour and troglodytes plus mages with fire and water magic (fairly cheap tramplers plus good archers that can hold their own in melee with acid backup!), and a nation that I didn't play around with much, but has relatively cheap sacred infantry with berserking, poison clouds (like hydras) and weapons that reanimate killed enemies, plus 19 defense and then has spider cavalry and assassins to round it out. Oh and B3, D3, and F3 mages plus the ability to blood sacrifice.
This mod's really neat for figuring out how to play different ways and learning about different combinations of magic paths.
Post by: Karlito on October 19, 2012, 02:15:57 pm
There was another one I played with that had sacred amphibious jaguar cavalry with flaming swords. I didn't really want to think about how that worked.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 19, 2012, 02:23:39 pm
Post by: Stworca on October 19, 2012, 02:27:36 pm
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 19, 2012, 08:03:21 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2012, 02:20:09 am
I don't sense a whole lot of volunteers wanting to take control of Atlantis :(We need a theme song for Atlantis, and I've got just the thing (use the tune of the Folgers Coffee commercials):
"There is nothing quite like waking up, by kicking C'thulu in the mouth."
Post by: Waterplouf on October 20, 2012, 07:36:31 am
I don't have the game but I am really looking forward buying it ( the only problem being the price and having actual people to play it with :P ). If I buy it, I am willing to replace TempAcc for Atlantis, but of course I would be still a beginner ( but I learn fast and I will train against the ai of course ) so I understand if you want to keep this game on a higher level. Concerning the multiplayer, if I understand correctly we play the turn, send it to the llama server and the server make all the calculs and send back the results ?
Post by: Karlito on October 20, 2012, 08:28:25 am
if I understand correctly we play the turn, send it to the llama server and the server make all the calculs and send back the results ?That's how it works, yeah.
Let us know if you do get the game, we'd be happy to have you. I definitely think it's worth the price, but I can see why the cost puts a lot of people off.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2012, 09:56:10 am
if I understand correctly we play the turn, send it to the llama server and the server make all the calculs and send back the results ?That's how it works, yeah.
Let us know if you do get the game, we'd be happy to have you. I definitely think it's worth the price, but I can see why the cost puts a lot of people off.
I thought the same thing about the price, until I purchased it. While I still think it's a bit steep, the three multiplayer games that I've since played have made me feel like I've gotten my money's worth.
Also, anyone that replaces Atlantis can expect lots of help from me, and possibly others.
Post by: Waterplouf on October 20, 2012, 10:05:49 am
Reading time now !
Post by: Karlito on October 20, 2012, 10:08:41 am
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2012, 10:29:00 am
Whaaaaaaat? Hot damn, it is only $30.00. I've never seen them discount it more than 5%.That is amazing.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 20, 2012, 10:43:46 am
Post by: Stworca on October 20, 2012, 12:53:41 pm
Post by: Waterplouf on October 20, 2012, 04:26:35 pm
I have a question though for a friend. He wonders if he purchases the game for windows, can he also install it on mac ? Or do he has to buy the game again specifically for mac ?
Post by: Karlito on October 20, 2012, 06:19:24 pm
Unfortunately, Shrapnel Games is still living in the 90s as far as sales go, so I wouldn't count on also being able to also download the Mac version. However, Dominions 3 is pretty weak in the copy protection department. If your friend buys the game for Mac and then somehow acquires the files for the windows version of the game (I imagine the windows version is easier to find), he'll be able to use his existing game key with that version.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 22, 2012, 05:55:56 am
Post by: Karlito on October 22, 2012, 06:22:32 am
Post by: Korbac on October 22, 2012, 07:27:42 am
Hey folks, R'lyeh is computerless again. You might want to postpone the turn a bit more, in case I don't get up and running until Wednesday. I did submit my turn already, but I better resubmit, else our new player( hi, Waterplouf. Nice to have you here) will start his adventure with dom3 by being invaded.
You are probably advised to invade me then. :)
Post by: Waterplouf on October 22, 2012, 07:31:32 am
But well, I think all I need is maybe just a little recap of atlantis strategy.
Post by: Karlito on October 22, 2012, 07:43:24 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 22, 2012, 10:27:18 am
Second, links from the wiki's page on Atlantis (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Frozen_Sea) to guides written by Baalz (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Frozen_Sea/Baalz%27s_Frozen_death_from_all_directions_guide) (whose guides I like, although they tend to make you feel super psyched up and like you can take on anyone, just know there are counters to every strategy) and someone else (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Frozen_Sea/Shatner%27s_Mobility,_Infantry,_Liquidity_guide) for a different perspective. Also, a shrapnel forum thread (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35155) from someone asking for more help.
Third, look at the OP of this thread, get the mods we're using and get used to them instead of the base game, assuming you want to get up to speed fastest. It's probably best to learn with the base game or just the conceptual balance mod (CBM version 1.94 I think), but learning that and then learning the little things (and bigger end game things) changed by this mod pack will add a bunch of time to your efforts. Just my opinion.
Fourth, another couple useful wiki pages: the page on magic paths (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Path) (click on the links to get really good, relatively short summaries of what each path is good at), the booster guide (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/User:Sector24/Magic_Path_booster_guide) for figuring out how to break into magic paths you might not have the best access to (kind of advanced but could be useful; be careful, some of the path requirements for things have been changed by the mod pack, mostly they've been lowered though, as far as I remember), and a short list of common mistakes new players make (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Common_mistakes). If you have more time to read things, I'd recommend the manual (and this list of manual errors (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39469)) as well as this fairly long FAQ (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/User:Lch/Sunray%27s_FAQ) (and here's the shrapnel forum's general guide thread (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=38122) just for giggles).
That's a fair amount of info, but if you find specific questions... well I guess go ahead and ask?
Post by: Waterplouf on October 22, 2012, 10:38:39 am
I read one of Baalz guide on atlantis, but I made the mistake to pick the one on MA and not LA :P
EDIT : I don't find my pretender, I was wondering if there was a way to send me the .2h file ?
Post by: Karlito on October 22, 2012, 11:39:04 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 22, 2012, 02:18:38 pm
How do you guys like the caves in the current map? I like the idea of them, but the implementation leaves a little to be desired, in my opinion (it's a little hard/completely impossible without the neighbor-connections filter to figure out what connects to what).
Wraparound or no? It's easy enough to design something for wraparound and have both versions but very difficult to go the other direction, so I'll probably plan for wraparound. If you guys have ideas for why this is good/bad I'd appreciate it.
Fixed start provinces or no? On one hand this makes for more balanced gameplay if you have the right number of people. On the other hand it leaves big gaps if you don't. I'll definitely be marking some provinces (particularly good or bad ones) as no-start either way.
Some provinces prone to have more magic sites than the rest? I like the idea of these and I'll probably use them unless there are multiple votes against them. Just so people know, I think deserts and wastes already have higher magic site probabilities, but there's a province mod tag that increases the chances further. Some maps mark these provinces with landmarks or little stars, so I guess that's another question: If they're included, should these provinces be marked in some way?
Finally, any themes, ideas for landscape shapes, province names, other stuff? I think I'll be using the Cradle of the Gods map as a base for the design elements (like Elmokki (http://koti.kapsi.fi/elmokki/dom3/maps/batcountry.png) uses (http://koti.kapsi.fi/elmokki/dom3/maps/cloacamaxima.jpg) for (http://koti.kapsi.fi/elmokki/dom3/maps/hillarioushighlands.jpg) his (http://koti.kapsi.fi/elmokki/dom3/maps/rampagingroaches.jpg)), just so you know. Things I've brainstormed so far (listed roughly from mundane to weird): one large crescent-shaped continent (leads easily to twelve bays being incorporated), two or three large continents with very few connections between them, crater lake of sorts with a large island in the middle (essentially concentric circles of water and land), map that's about half water with a cave system running below the ocean accessible by land and water, terraces of a giant mountain/tree/something else, map that's about 1/3 normal and 1/3 broken apart in some astral explosion and 1/3 tainted with blood magic (exploded part is essentially just floating chunks that would play like an archepelago with little water, tainted part is largely wasteland and blood-oriented sites, possibly some "portals through hell" that work for movement over multiple provinces or something like that, this map would probably have a lot of manually placed sites and thematic names).
Post by: Waterplouf on October 22, 2012, 09:58:06 pm
After 1-2 game against the IA, the game got much more clearer for me.
When a game is complicated like dominion 3 my problem is that I always read too much annex stuff without playing the game itself and everything seems harder than it is in fact. ::)
Oh and I have a question about the magic sites. I've read that the max level for magic sites is 4. Does that mean that say a death 9 searching for sites will find the same as a death 4 ?
Post by: Karlito on October 22, 2012, 10:20:47 pm
Oh and I have a question about the magic sites. I've read that the max level for magic sites is 4. Does that mean that say a death 9 searching for sites will find the same as a death 4 ?
Yeah, though I think it may be possible for magic sites to have a higher level through modding. You should note that with remote site searching spells any mage with 2 levels of magic can cast a ritual to do a level 9 search in any province at a small cost in gems, so it's not necessary to have a level 4 death mage to find all the death magic sites.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 22, 2012, 11:44:52 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 23, 2012, 06:45:29 am
Also with that known... why doesn't the game include a Cthluhu-esk god? he is in the free domain, I think. (Actually checking the pretendor list... there is someone who COULD be either Cthluhu or just a Starspawn. It just looks nothing like Cthluhu)
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 23, 2012, 09:53:19 am
I want to hit myself for not realising that R'lyeh is a reference to the ancient city Cthluhu sleeps in.Is this the guy you were thinking of?
Also with that known... why doesn't the game include a Cthluhu-esk god? he is in the free domain, I think. (Actually checking the pretendor list... there is someone who COULD be either Cthluhu or just a Starspawn. It just looks nothing like Cthluhu)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
There's also a starspawn hero called Cthugul, and a void monster called The Thing That Should Not Be. Each one of them seems to have a bit of the original Cthulhu in their design(but not the wings, strangely).
In other news, I should have my dom3 machine back tomorrow evening(GMT). Sorry for holding up the game.
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 23, 2012, 09:58:41 am
In other news, I should have my dom3 machine back tomorrow evening(GMT). Sorry for holding up the game.
Ah don't worry about it; I've been playing Prototype 2 in my spare time anyway and I can't be bothered to set up my laptop back at home :P
Post by: Neonivek on October 23, 2012, 10:16:40 am
Still a bit surprised Abhoth isn't in the game as a possible pretendor for R'lyeh given that his related kin are in the game...
Then again only I would be interested in giving the game TONS upon tons of pretendors.
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 23, 2012, 12:00:52 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 23, 2012, 12:33:30 pm
In other news, I should have my dom3 machine back tomorrow evening(GMT). Sorry for holding up the game.
Ah don't worry about it; I've been playing Prototype 2 in my spare time anyway and I can't be bothered to set up my laptop back at home :P
I'm in the middle of moving, so the delay isn't bothering me.
Post by: Korbac on October 24, 2012, 08:01:53 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 24, 2012, 09:42:25 pm
I've had my 21st (which was a glorious mess) and have been doing work, so the delay has been cool with me also. :)Congrats!
Post by: Karlito on October 24, 2012, 09:45:25 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 25, 2012, 02:49:53 am
Hey Palazzo, did you get your resubmitted turn in?Not yet! I need another 12h to get the game running on my "new" laptop, unless something else crops up along the way.
I'll postpone the turn myself, no need to bother. As soon as I get it in, I'll force hosting.
Post by: Karlito on October 25, 2012, 03:03:44 am
EDIT: I hope Gath was taking notes on how to properly utilize a pretender in battle. :D
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 25, 2012, 04:38:28 am
@Waterplouf:
Just to be clear on this, we shall have a three turn ceasefire. I.e., no hostilities until turn 32(or, you can send orders to attack on t31, but the battle itself is next turn). That'll include no harmful rituals, global or not.
Of course, there's no need to actually resume that silly war. We could be fishy friends and ally against the gillless abominations.
Or, there could be no ceasefire if you so wish, just say a word.
Post by: Waterplouf on October 25, 2012, 05:47:40 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 25, 2012, 10:52:49 am
This game really is its most fun when it's breaking the fourth wall.
Post by: Korbac on October 25, 2012, 11:15:37 am
Post by: Karlito on October 25, 2012, 11:38:00 am
I'm still asking myself the question why I haven't been backstabbed yet when my non - Il Purzino fronts are basically devoid of troops.
Because they've been busy fighting me. You're welcome.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 25, 2012, 11:39:33 am
Post by: Korbac on October 25, 2012, 11:40:46 am
I'm still asking myself the question why I haven't been backstabbed yet when my non - Il Purzino fronts are basically devoid of troops.
Because they've been busy fighting me. You're welcome.
EVERYDAY I'M CASTLING
Not doing so well as in the last game then? :(
NINJA EDIT WHICH I AM NOT : BLUEROBIN IS CREDIT TO HUMANS <3
Post by: Bluerobin on October 25, 2012, 11:43:14 am
Post by: Karlito on October 25, 2012, 11:45:51 am
Post by: Boksi on October 25, 2012, 12:02:40 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2012, 12:48:46 pm
Haha not so much. At least I've only lost... eesh, about 2000 gold worth of mages and troops without putting a huge dent in Pangaea. I guess some of my raiders killed some actually recruited troops, so that's a plus.
I've certainly appreciated your measures: It's kept Pangea from throwing everything at me.
EDIT: Thanks a lot Boksi. Hello glorious Three-Front war. I might have to go AI if this keep up.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 25, 2012, 01:03:14 pm
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 25, 2012, 01:16:27 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 25, 2012, 01:17:41 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2012, 01:17:52 pm
I keep wondering what's going on in Ermor. The armies just grow and grow, sometimes a temple or a citadel pops up here and there, but otherwise it's all very mysterious and menacing. Are those armies going to grow endlessly? Are they going to be used against somebody? Will we find out next turn?If there is any justice in this world, they'll invade you.
But considering how things have been going lately, they'll probably invade me. Somehow.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 25, 2012, 01:25:07 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 25, 2012, 01:26:11 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2012, 01:31:25 pm
Oh, by the way Euchre, is that the extent of your invasion of R'lyeh? There are more meaty provinces further south, you know...
Unfortunately, I recieved the WORST EVENT EVER. You know, that one where a High Priest shows up with 40 militia losers and eat all your supplies and steal all your gold.
So, I'm gonna have to throw these losers at someone. Thanks for volunteering.
And yes, I noticed that you actually decided to station defenders in your provinces. It'll be nice to have a challenge from you for a change!
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 25, 2012, 01:42:53 pm
And yes, I noticed that you actually decided to station defenders in your provinces. It'll be nice to have a challenge from you for a change!Ahem. These are not really defenders per se. It's just that I figured it'd be faster to let your Gibbors kill my worthless surface freespawn, than keep on drowning them piecemeal.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2012, 01:49:36 pm
So you kill my militia from bad event, and I kill your worthless surface freespawn. Who ever said R'lyeh and Gath never cooperated in anything? ;DAnd yes, I noticed that you actually decided to station defenders in your provinces. It'll be nice to have a challenge from you for a change!Ahem. These are not really defenders per se. It's just that I figured it'd be faster to let your Gibbors kill my worthless surface freespawn, than keep on drowning them piecemeal.
Post by: Karlito on October 25, 2012, 01:50:43 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2012, 01:52:59 pm
I've still got like 8 satyrs from turn 1 hanging around. Does anyone want to kill them?Your biggest problem is that you'd need to either lose a province or risk losing a commander. Both things I'd be willing to help you with. :P
Post by: Waterplouf on October 25, 2012, 02:06:24 pm
I kind of want R'lyeh and Atlantis to rise up and try and take the surface. I'm not sure why, but in my head I guess it'd be like the big bad Il P taking a new player under his wing and using him to crush the filthy surfacedwellers.As much as being the ally of the Cthulhu's cousin is tempting, I can't stop worrying this would just mean an easier way to win for him :P .
This game really is its most fun when it's breaking the fourth wall.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2012, 02:11:26 pm
With wisdom like that, I think you and I will be great friends!I kind of want R'lyeh and Atlantis to rise up and try and take the surface. I'm not sure why, but in my head I guess it'd be like the big bad Il P taking a new player under his wing and using him to crush the filthy surfacedwellers.As much as being the ally of the Cthulhu's cousin is tempting, I can't stop worrying this would just mean an easier way to win for him :P .
This game really is its most fun when it's breaking the fourth wall.
Post by: Korbac on October 25, 2012, 02:14:03 pm
I've still got like 8 satyrs from turn 1 hanging around. Does anyone want to kill them?
Do I hear a Fires From Afar request? ;)
Seriously, though. Satyr's have recup, yes? Tbh with experience they're probably worth keeping around. :)
Post by: Karlito on October 25, 2012, 02:17:24 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2012, 02:31:26 pm
Post by: a1s on October 25, 2012, 03:06:18 pm
Ermor's a happy land of peaceful people. They just want to shuffle around in peace!Yep. Plus we have an awesome dental plan- with lifetime warranty.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2012, 03:11:20 pm
I'd suggest returning them to me, but I somehow doubt you'll be doing that. :P
Post by: Karlito on October 25, 2012, 03:22:38 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2012, 04:05:37 pm
I only got two shields and a firebrand. I guess the battlefield looters got to all the rest.
Better go kill some looters. You got royally screwed. I had around 15 items spread around my commanders.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 25, 2012, 06:06:42 pm
Edit: Also, this isn't meant to come off as mean, but the drop on your army graph is kind of hilarious.
Post by: Korbac on October 25, 2012, 06:16:02 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 25, 2012, 06:48:53 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2012, 09:25:16 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 26, 2012, 05:48:48 am
FYI, I'll be in the process of changing residence through Wednesday. Considering my turns involve strategizing around three opponents, I may be a little slow for the next few turns.
Oh, and R'lyeh's Barbershop Quartet has started attacking on land, the horror.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 26, 2012, 07:11:21 am
Oh, and R'lyeh's Barbershop Quartet has started attacking on land, the horror.It's still a Quartet only because their touring is so successful they have got no time to stop and pick up more members.
Post by: Korbac on October 26, 2012, 07:50:02 am
Petrify! I think there's two counters - Glamour and Luck. How does Blood Vengeance work with it? Can it paralyze / kill me? I know Doctor Vastness has high mr, so I'm only hoping to Paralyze him. That's when the
Post by: Boksi on October 26, 2012, 08:12:20 am
A question!AFAIK, spells that inflict death actually just hit for 999 AN damage. So if you managed to penetrate its MR with Petrify, your caster would get a MR roll versus Blood Vengeance. If he fails, he gets hit by 999 damage, otherwise the Vastness does.
Petrify! I think there's two counters - Glamour and Luck. How does Blood Vengeance work with it? Can it paralyze / kill me? I know Doctor Vastness has high mr, so I'm only hoping to Paralyze him. That's when theTengusOnisDouble Headed Snake of DeathChaff kills him. 8)
If Petrify does not penetrate the Vastness's MR(likely) it will be paralyzed and I don't think that kind of damage triggers Blood Vengeance. However, actually using chaff against a Vastness is a bad idea, because Blood Vengeance will trigger even when it's paralyzed, and most chaff does little damage and has low MR.
At least, that's how I think it works.
Post by: Waterplouf on October 26, 2012, 09:02:50 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 26, 2012, 09:05:04 am
Post by: Korbac on October 26, 2012, 09:33:15 am
A question!AFAIK, spells that inflict death actually just hit for 999 AN damage. So if you managed to penetrate its MR with Petrify, your caster would get a MR roll versus Blood Vengeance. If he fails, he gets hit by 999 damage, otherwise the Vastness does.
Petrify! I think there's two counters - Glamour and Luck. How does Blood Vengeance work with it? Can it paralyze / kill me? I know Doctor Vastness has high mr, so I'm only hoping to Paralyze him. That's when theTengusOnisDouble Headed Snake of DeathChaff kills him. 8)
If Petrify does not penetrate the Vastness's MR(likely) it will be paralyzed and I don't think that kind of damage triggers Blood Vengeance. However, actually using chaff against a Vastness is a bad idea, because Blood Vengeance will trigger even when it's paralyzed, and most chaff does little damage and has low MR.
At least, that's how I think it works.
This seems correct. I'm hoping the Paralyze procs, which it probably will due to the Vastness' high MR. Also, regarding the blood vengeance thing - this is true, I might have to sprinkle an antimagic. But I have a drain scale anyway and I'm willing to throw A LOT of chaff away to kill that thing. :P
Post by: Karlito on October 26, 2012, 10:11:53 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 26, 2012, 10:15:06 am
Post by: Korbac on October 26, 2012, 10:27:01 am
I might just use a few Ninja with some crappy magic swords.
Post by: Karlito on October 26, 2012, 10:28:20 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 26, 2012, 01:04:39 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 26, 2012, 01:24:30 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 26, 2012, 01:33:46 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 26, 2012, 01:34:47 pm
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 26, 2012, 08:36:31 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 28, 2012, 09:19:48 am
Post by: Korbac on October 28, 2012, 12:14:00 pm
D'OH!
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 28, 2012, 12:56:16 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 28, 2012, 01:08:57 pm
Post by: Korbac on October 28, 2012, 07:30:48 pm
Cheers.
Post by: Karlito on October 28, 2012, 07:32:30 pm
You know, you can check that any time here (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound9).
Post by: Korbac on October 28, 2012, 07:37:16 pm
Or tonight, I suppose, given that it's technically Monday here now.
Post by: Korbac on October 29, 2012, 08:33:57 pm
On a semi - related note. Do any of you guys still play DF? Would any of you guys be interested in a Dom 3 mod? :P I made one before on an older version. It contained C'Tis (with scales and poisonous bite), Niefelheim (with cold aura), Abyssia (with heat aura) and Vanheim (just generally great stats). I think deleted the other races.
Because you can't put a limit on how often creatures have children, Niefelheim roflstomped. Van was also pretty strong as they were pretty much superhumans. Abby was next (the heat aura not counting for much in legends and even in battle it took a while to work) and C'Tis last, as they were physically the crappiest of all the races.
Now with all the new shenanigans, I could try to foxtrot in custom noble positions. :P
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 30, 2012, 05:38:15 am
Post by: EuchreJack on October 30, 2012, 06:28:52 pm
Euchre is late with his turn. Seeing how he's involved in heavy fighting, I'm postponing the deadline by 24h.Thanks, especially since Hurricane Sandy AKA Frankenstorm threw her hat into the ring. I've been without power for a day. I'm only online now because I left home for my apartment.
But I should be able to submit something prior to the next deadline, now that I'm somewhere with internet and power.
EDIT: Turn submitted. Happy Halloween from Gath!
EDIT2: WTF!!!!!!??? I cast "Summon Hellpower", the guy actually cast "summon hellpower", but nothing happened! I want my slaves back! Ok, since rollbacks are more evil than R'lyeh, I won't ask for one, but WTF!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
And Pangea, know that you would have lost if my either hellpower worked like it should, or if I actually knew how it worked. Remember that.
Post by: Karlito on October 31, 2012, 01:38:22 am
EDIT2: WTF!!!!!!??? I cast "Summon Hellpower", the guy actually cast "summon hellpower", but nothing happened! I want my slaves back! Ok, since rollbacks are more evil than R'lyeh, I won't ask for one, but WTF!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
And Pangea, know that you would have lost if my either hellpower worked like it should, or if I actually knew how it worked. Remember that.
Yeah, that was a bit weird. Although Hell Power is only blood level 1, it has a fatigue cost of 300, meaning that a level one bloodmage won't be able to cast it (Even if he powered himself up with the one bloodslave he'd be allowed to, it would still cost 150 fatigue, and mages never cast a spell with more than 100 fatigue). If you watch the replay, no bloodslaves were consumed nor did the blood magic sound effect play. He cast bless instead, though why the log says he also cast hell power that turn is beyond me.
As for you winning otherwise, I'll admit I got lucky. I hadn't intended that army to fight anything other than province defense and certainly not the significant Gibbor force you deployed there. If I had, there would have been more than one mage in attendance.
Also, Midgard, Ow, my ankle's bravery is admirable, but trying to solo a province when your protection stat is zero is never advisable under any circumstances. Did you just want a different prophet or something?
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 31, 2012, 05:01:19 am
I will stop
the world (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlq20E3SOVQ)
Post by: Boksi on October 31, 2012, 06:25:06 am
Too bad it doesn't get a neat message.
It's a smart move though. It limits the mobility of Atlantis and Vanheim, while every single Starspawn can teleport. And it isn't dispelled by Second Sun, hilariously enough.
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 31, 2012, 07:11:35 am
Post by: a1s on October 31, 2012, 07:18:13 am
A dire portent.
Enchanted Broccoli, the Far Traveler, Lord of Stellar Lights, the Aftertought, Symbol of Unchallanged Victory has cast a global enchnatment.Exit
Post by: Bluerobin on October 31, 2012, 09:46:12 am
Post by: Karlito on October 31, 2012, 10:26:38 am
Post by: EuchreJack on October 31, 2012, 10:41:03 am
*For those leary that I might attack them, note that I have two aggressors (both of which have nobody else to fight but me) to vanquish first. At this rate, I won't be actively seeking out new foes until 2013 easily.
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 31, 2012, 10:44:59 am
Post by: EuchreJack on October 31, 2012, 10:48:00 am
I've already left my poor undefended provinces next to your borders. I would be defenseless if you'd attack me! Or would I...
So have I. But you're fighting Ermor, right? Right? Not me? Pretty please?
Post by: Boksi on October 31, 2012, 10:50:44 am
Post by: Karlito on October 31, 2012, 11:00:54 am
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 31, 2012, 11:05:10 am
And no Euchre, I'm not fighting you. You know, the we are giants so we work together thing still counts ;-)
Post by: ScriptWolf on October 31, 2012, 11:54:38 am
When will the next game be ?
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 31, 2012, 12:12:36 pm
Soon, I'll have all of Il Palazzo's land holdings.You're making it sound so easy. :P
Post by: EuchreJack on October 31, 2012, 07:47:40 pm
Hey, you're the one that just cut off most of his reinforcements. :PSoon, I'll have all of Il Palazzo's land holdings.You're making it sound so easy. :P
Post by: Korbac on October 31, 2012, 07:48:56 pm
Scriptwolf : I'm afraid you won't be able to join at the moment, as it stands, but if one of us dropped out, you could stand in as a sub. I'm loving the game at the moment and it's really great; there should be another game starting up soonish if you wanted to join that. :)
FAKEEDIT : OH MAN SHIT IS GOING DOWN
THING IS I VISUALIZE ALL THIS EPIC STUFF HAPPENING
IT'S LIKE RAGNAROK AND WE AREN'T EVEN LATEGAME YET FOLKS
Post by: EuchreJack on October 31, 2012, 10:37:18 pm
If I'm still conscious after my next two and a half beers, I'll bounce a turn. :)
No rush, I won't be submitting a turn for at least 12 hours, probably. I'm finalizing my move (so packing, washing, vacuuming, driving, etc).
FAKEEDIT : OH MAN SHIT IS GOING DOWNWaters of the world freezing over is one sign of Ragnarok, I think.
THING IS I VISUALIZE ALL THIS EPIC STUFF HAPPENING
IT'S LIKE RAGNAROK AND WE AREN'T EVEN LATEGAME YET FOLKS
Post by: Korbac on October 31, 2012, 10:47:26 pm
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 01, 2012, 06:07:20 am
Thank you. :) I've gotta get up in 5 hours and I'm not 'drunk', but there will be a mega hangover, I'm sure of it. :P
Although I'm probably too late, try drinking lots of water before going to sleep after having a drink. No hangover at all, apart from tiredness. It works for most people I speak too, as long as they don't forget it :p
Post by: Korbac on November 01, 2012, 12:52:22 pm
Thank you. :) I've gotta get up in 5 hours and I'm not 'drunk', but there will be a mega hangover, I'm sure of it. :P
Although I'm probably too late, try drinking lots of water before going to sleep after having a drink. No hangover at all, apart from tiredness. It works for most people I speak too, as long as they don't forget it :p
Cheers bro. :) Yeah this tends to work very well if you've had mixers; if you've had pints like I did too much water tends to bloat your stomach even more.
Lesson learned : I cannot hold down 6 pints any more. :P
EDIT : Turn submitted, nice try Il Palazzo; I'm liking my graphs, I hope you guys like forts. ;)
Post by: Karlito on November 01, 2012, 01:38:49 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 01, 2012, 01:41:50 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 01, 2012, 01:46:47 pm
EDIT : Turn submitted, nice try Il Palazzo; I'm liking my graphs, I hope you guys like forts. ;)Keep your snake near my lake and he'll dream of the stiffs sooner or later.*
*message approved by Dr S.Freud
Post by: Korbac on November 01, 2012, 01:48:15 pm
You have more than 1 fort for every three provinces. Aren't you basically at the saturation point?
IIRC forts increase money collected from a province. You're right on the admin (I'm not getting a production bonus). Another factor is the recruitment of armies anywhere, a spreading of my mage support / research base, and greatly increased defenses against raiders. :)
You can never have too many!
Exactly! :D
EDIT : Turn submitted, nice try Il Palazzo; I'm liking my graphs, I hope you guys like forts. ;)Keep your snake near my lake and he'll dream of the stiffs sooner or later.*
*message approved by Dr S.Freud
Is he really worth 3 astral gems a turn? If so, cool! He's still useful! :D
Post by: Bluerobin on November 01, 2012, 02:12:09 pm
Definitely useful against raiders, though. Especially teleporting ones.
Post by: Boksi on November 01, 2012, 02:19:30 pm
Mental note: Make a lot of gate cleavers and siege golems before my inevitable invasion of Jomon.
Post by: Bluerobin on November 01, 2012, 02:38:13 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 01, 2012, 02:48:48 pm
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Animal
The unit is an animal. It is affected by animal awe. (Normal units are not). According to the manual, animals get a penalty sieging a castle, this is false. Some animals, like the Black Hawk, get a hidden siege penalty.
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Fly
Flying units may move far distances and may cross enemy lands without restrictions, they ignore all terrain restrictions excluding water. They are also able to launch quick attacks on archers and commanders in battles. Flying units are very good at patrolling your lands. They are also difficult to besiege and will have an advantage when besieging others.
Looks like Flying units have both advantages. I'm going to (probably wrongly) assume flying gives a 2x siege multiplier, which would make the hawks as good as normal human soldiers.
Of course, hawking a fort would probably just result in a pair of mages and 20 or so chaff just coming out to mince you the following turn. :P
Post by: Bluerobin on November 01, 2012, 02:54:27 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 01, 2012, 02:55:41 pm
Oh flying units: do they have fort attack AND defense bonuses or just one/the other? Also, animals have a penalty, right? So... how effective are the black hawks from Call of the Winds for fort sieging/defending (apart from their pretty low strength 5)?
Quote from: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=685786&postcount=30
For every sieging unit: (str^2 / 10) + (10 if flying) + 10*(siege skill)tl;dr;
For every non-mindless defending unit: (str^2 / 10) + (10 if flying) + 10*(guard skill)
For every mindless defending unit: 1 + 10*(guard skill)
Remainders in the divisions are being rounded down. Those two values, the siege and the "desiege" strength, are then again in a final step being divided by 10, rounded down, which results in the formulas that are in the manual, except for mindless units.
-animals don't have penalties, apart from black hawks and shikigami.
-mindless units are atrocious at castle defense
-flying gives large bonuses to both siege and defense
Post by: Karlito on November 01, 2012, 03:03:59 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 01, 2012, 06:29:54 pm
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Post by: Karlito on November 01, 2012, 06:45:04 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 01, 2012, 06:51:54 pm
Also, muhbeeidunno.
Post by: Karlito on November 01, 2012, 06:53:09 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 01, 2012, 06:56:43 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 01, 2012, 09:29:17 pm
Oh, ok. It shows up fine in my spoiler. :-\Not for me.
Oh, and I submitted my turn, so the new turn is out.
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 02, 2012, 05:23:34 am
Spoiler: And so, it begins (click to show/hide)
In other news, The R'lyeh Society For Preservation Of Underwater Diversity would like to thank Atlantis for not invading the Dreamlands while we're preoccupied with surface matters.
I apologize to everyone, especially Il Paz who did a much better job than I did.I love it. It'd be great to have every nation do their own newspapers, but it's just so damn time consuming.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Pic doesn't show in the forum though.
Post by: Boksi on November 02, 2012, 05:29:23 am
But hey, I did manage to slaughter several turns worth of Gibborim. That's nice.
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 02, 2012, 06:05:43 am
Spoiler: And so, it begins (click to show/hide)
My guys....might have to flex their muscles for a bit. Judging by the total army size of Ermor, my PD wasn't very succesful in fending them off. :P
Post by: a1s on November 02, 2012, 07:53:07 am
Quote from: Deadly Telegraph, Undecambor 3, 703 AVE
War?Today the borders of Ermor were breached by a raiding party of Utgard barbarians. Though eventually repelled by the self-defense forces lead by the esteemed war hero, bishop Mort, barbarians have caused re-deaths of over 300 private citizens and millions of cantrii worth of damages. Following the raid Plain of Tusker is a desolate wasteland. Consul Ayevanivs Avgvsvs Ayevs has claimed that "Utagrd forces were provoked by the self-defense force maneuvers" or "were probably lost".Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote from: Deadly Telegraph, Undecambor 19, 703 AVE
New Management
(http://i.imgur.com/p2in8.png)
Following Utgard's last months unprovoked attack on Plain of Tuskers generalissimo, bishop and self appointed prophet of Lichinca, Mort has declared he has "had it up to here with Citizen Ayivs's chickenshit pacifism" and declared a Cursade into the holy lands. Senate has been temporarily dissolved and all citizens are requested and required to report for military duty.
Quote from: Deadly Telegraph, Undecambor 21, 703 AVE
TraitorsFirst crony of the Ayivs regime was executed today, when tribune Manhate refused to overturn his garrison to the self-defense force, because allegedly the "sea has frozen over" and he can't get out. Of course it's obvious the whole garrison is a fiction created by the old regime to write off supplies. A fresh cadre of loyal officers have been sent to oversee recruitment.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote from: Deadly Telegraph, Dodecambor 10, 703 AVE
First VictoriesUnder the leadership of Mort (the rumors of whose absence during the battle are Ayivist propaganda) Cracked Land has been take by Eromorian armies from the infidel barbarians. Mort was reported to say "The Holy Sepulchre is just beyond these walls. Let's bring them down, and we shall all see it within the week". Which is clear evidence that he was there.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Boksi on November 02, 2012, 09:36:53 am
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Post by: Waterplouf on November 02, 2012, 11:13:41 am
In other news, The R'lyeh Society For Preservation Of Underwater Diversity would like to thank Atlantis for not invading the Dreamlands while we're preoccupied with surface matters.
Yeah... note that I actually want to kill you, but I actually have no idea how to do this :P.
Post by: Karlito on November 02, 2012, 12:01:27 pm
Post by: Boksi on November 02, 2012, 12:06:44 pm
Maybe I'll make a Pangaean newspaper, but what would it be printed on? Vellum is certainly out, and paper seems problematic as well.Genetically engineered fruit.
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 02, 2012, 12:41:34 pm
Maybe I'll make a Pangaean newspaper, but what would it be printed on? Vellum is certainly out, and paper seems problematic as well.I hear Gibborim hides make an excellent parchment.
Yeah... note that I actually want to kill you, but I actually have no idea how to do this :P.I'd help you out with free advice, but I've no idea either. Maybe some of the concerned citizens of the world can take a break from waving their papers around(and killing each other) and advise you on the matter?
Guys, it's in your own interests.
Post by: Karlito on November 02, 2012, 12:45:04 pm
Post by: Boksi on November 02, 2012, 01:13:53 pm
OK, so it's time for the second episode of this Gath mini-LP. I won't go into details about early expansion because there isn't any special trick to what I'm doing. Just get a couple of sacred giants and send them off to kill people who don't pay you taxes. But I'll get into the awesomeness of Levite Zealots, don't worry.
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So yeah, Levite Zealots. Why are they so good? Well, they're recruit-anywhere sacreds, but they're not top-of-the-line, murder-everything-and-then-some recruit-anywhere sacreds. Still, they have their uses. First of all, they only cost 15 gold to recruit so they have nearly no upkeep cost. Secondly, they have 14 base morale, which becomes 16 with a bless. They've got wasteland survival, which is admittedly a rather minor benefit.
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I do have a bit more written up, but that's a nice place to end the episode don't you think?
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 02, 2012, 07:09:23 pm
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Post by: Stworca on November 03, 2012, 03:28:03 am
Yeah... note that I actually want to kill you, but I actually have no idea how to do this :P.
Reduce the amount of his provinces to 0.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 03, 2012, 08:29:06 am
If I had gotten one or two more lesser horrors in there, I would have won. The militia were retreating and the clockwork horrors were exhausted. Good thing I named my scout appropriately. Probably should have set him to retreat, though.
But hey, I did manage to slaughter several turns worth of Gibborim. That's nice.
At 75 gold a piece, and with 30 dead, you managed to kill 2250 gold worth of troops, or the equivalent of two fortresses. I'm sure you can call that a fair exchange.
Also, would it be possible to have a 24 hour extension? Things have been busy in real life, and I'm feeling quite rushed. I haven't even had time to review the Great Gibborim Genocide.
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 03, 2012, 08:38:11 am
Post by: EuchreJack on November 03, 2012, 04:31:46 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 03, 2012, 04:46:01 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 03, 2012, 04:47:23 pm
EDIT: Can't believe I posted a smiley-with-tongue instead of smiley-happy. Thanks for the extension: I'm really too tired to submit a turn.
Post by: Korbac on November 03, 2012, 08:01:10 pm
HE CAN BE BEATEN!
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 04, 2012, 04:24:14 am
Project Castlevania is coming along nicely, and I actually managed to win a battle of EPIC proportions with R'yleh!Curses!
HE CAN BE BEATEN!
But don't get your hopes up, guys - it wasn't easy. He won only by bringing to bear overwhelming numerical superiority, 100% archer army, and significant mage support.
Post by: Boksi on November 04, 2012, 07:53:21 am
Oh man, I saw that one. Too bad I can't replicate his strategy, Abysia is kind of bad at the whole "ranged weapon" deal. I could recruit independents, but they wouldn't be as competent in a melee as his samurai longbowmen.Project Castlevania is coming along nicely, and I actually managed to win a battle of EPIC proportions with R'yleh!Curses!
HE CAN BE BEATEN!
But don't get your hopes up, guys - it wasn't easy. He won only by bringing to bear overwhelming numerical superiority, 100% archer army, and significant mage support.
Post by: Korbac on November 04, 2012, 08:24:33 am
Project Castlevania is coming along nicely, and I actually managed to win a battle of EPIC proportions with R'yleh!Curses!
HE CAN BE BEATEN!
But don't get your hopes up, guys - it wasn't easy. He won only by bringing to bear overwhelming numerical superiority, 100% archer army, and significant mage support.
All true, unfortunately. ;)
Post by: EuchreJack on November 04, 2012, 08:35:37 pm
EDIT: Looking over the new turn, I can say only one thing: I really loathe Pangea and Abyssia.
Post by: Karlito on November 04, 2012, 10:43:54 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 04, 2012, 11:16:36 pm
Even after the successful defense of Battlestation One? Well that's ok, we hate you too.Pyrric success, maybe. I lost half my army in that fight, even one commander. Course, you lost three, which makes me estatic about the battle.
Post by: Korbac on November 05, 2012, 03:33:49 am
Either that or I reach 100% fort saturation with my admin 30 castles. Delicious. :P
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 05, 2012, 03:40:51 am
My guys....might have to flex their muscles for a bit. Judging by the total army size of Ermor, my PD wasn't very succesful in fending them off. :PSpoiler: And so, it begins (click to show/hide)
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Post by: EuchreJack on November 05, 2012, 04:53:50 am
Yay!My guys....might have to flex their muscles for a bit. Judging by the total army size of Ermor, my PD wasn't very succesful in fending them off. :PSpoiler: And so, it begins (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If any one of the three of you trying to gangbang Gath wants a piece of me instead, you're welcome. :PWhile I appreciate your willingness to act as a decoy, The Secret Alliance of Good Avatars (SAGA) would be better served by your launching a sneak attack sometime after this post is forgotten. :P
Either that or I reach 100% fort saturation with my admin 30 castles. Delicious. :P
Post by: a1s on November 05, 2012, 05:25:54 am
I'll say.My guys....might have to flex their muscles for a bit. Judging by the total army size of Ermor, my PD wasn't very succesful in fending them off. :PSpoiler: And so, it begins (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have also learned several things today:
- My prophet is an idiot, and will only cast 1 of the 2 major buffs he can, even if it hasn't expired yet (i.e every gorram turn once the scripting ends)
- The adrenalin of being chased by enemies gives retreating units enough strength to break through the ice covering the oceans (they can still travel there, just not on command)
- apparenly I have no idea how hit points work:srsly, WTF?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
- Or scouting:18+103-1-50=70 which isn't even close to ~100 (the wiki claims scouting will sometimes miss units, but never make up new ones).Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 05, 2012, 06:05:44 am
- apparenly I have no idea how hit points work:
srsly, WTF?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Pretender gods and prophets receive bonuses to hit points, strength, and magic resistance in friendly dominion, and penalties in enemy dominion (quoted from the wiki). I haven't watched our battle yet so I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing the screenshot is from your prophet?
edit: Oh wait...25-20=65. That sounds a bit weird :P No idea, maybe one of the priest buffs?
I don't know about this one, but my stealthy units might have caused this maybe? I'll tell you more once I've actually opened the game :P18+103-1-50=70 which isn't even close to ~100 (the wiki claims scouting will sometimes miss units, but never make up new ones).Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Boksi on November 05, 2012, 10:09:04 am
It's because the dude came from a province where he had high dominion and thus 65 HP. The HP didn't go away, even though his max hp were lowered.[/list]
- apparenly I have no idea how hit points work:
srsly, WTF?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Pretender gods and prophets receive bonuses to hit points, strength, and magic resistance in friendly dominion, and penalties in enemy dominion (quoted from the wiki). I haven't watched our battle yet so I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing the screenshot is from your prophet?
edit: Oh wait...25-20=65. That sounds a bit weird :P No idea, maybe one of the priest buffs?
Post by: Karlito on November 05, 2012, 10:42:17 am
Post by: Bluerobin on November 05, 2012, 11:01:24 am
And the hit points thing, Boksi nailed it. Pretender/prophet hit points max hit points are calculated based on the province they're attacking, but their current hit points can exceed the max if they came from a province with higher dominion. It can cause some unfortunate issues of being more likely to get afflictions since those calculations are based on your max hit points. If you have 20 max hp, but 70 current hp and get hit three times for 20 hp, you'll survive but you'll also probably be crippled.
Post by: a1s on November 05, 2012, 11:34:04 am
It's because the dude came from a province where he had high dominion and thus 65 HP. The HP didn't go away, even though his max hp were lowered.Are hit points taken from the previous turn (plus recovery) or this turn, but before movement? This could be important, if something changes the dominion a lot (like the enemy god being next door).
Post by: Bluerobin on November 05, 2012, 12:19:20 pm
Edit: Oh, but apparently preaching happens at the beginning (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Talk:Turn_resolution) before magic battles?
Post by: Boksi on November 05, 2012, 03:42:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Korbac on November 05, 2012, 03:46:33 pm
Post by: a1s on November 05, 2012, 08:24:56 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 05, 2012, 08:31:03 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 06, 2012, 09:24:19 am
Post by: Bluerobin on November 06, 2012, 09:36:07 am
If people have submitted turns, then yeah something is wrong with it. Either way it looks like I'm going to need a 24hr extension. There's a good chance I can submit my turn today, but a better chance that I can't.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 06, 2012, 10:13:44 am
The link is http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound9
If people have submitted turns, then yeah something is wrong with it. Either way it looks like I'm going to need a 24hr extension. There's a good chance I can submit my turn today, but a better chance that I can't.
From what I've read here (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=1128), it appears Llamaserver is malfunctioning for everyone. I'd suggest a 24 hour extension simply due to the error of the server, and the obvious confusion as to when the game will be hosting that anyone not on GMT time will be experiencing.
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 06, 2012, 10:23:34 am
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2012, 10:04:42 am
EDIT: And I forgot to do recruitment. Well, I guess I didn't need reinforcements or additional mages anyways. :P
Don't worry, I'm sort of happy to have the extra gold for a change. ;D
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2012, 10:20:43 am
I lost because I got gangraped. Estimated time until entirety of Gath is under foreign rule: 3 turns.
Post by: Karlito on November 08, 2012, 10:24:39 am
I lost because I got gangraped.That's usually how it goes. I can't recall a game where I destroyed a nation and didn't have at least a little help from someone else.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2012, 10:26:35 am
I'm sure you and Boksi will be able to discuss that throughly in the very near future. Watch your back!I lost because I got gangraped.That's usually how it goes. I can't recall a game where I destroyed a nation and didn't have at least a little help from someone else.
EDIT: I might stay in for a turn or two just to mess with people. I've got quite a few annoying little surprises I can pull. Plus, I might want to gather all my items to labs so I can give them away.
Post by: Bluerobin on November 08, 2012, 10:37:19 am
On that topic, Il Palazzo, if you get a chance to check the turn in the next 8 hours or so, would you mind letting me know how badly that siege defense failed? I knew it was going to fail so I tried to take out as many of your astral mages as I could while I was at it, but I get the feeling my communion just didn't work.
Post by: Karlito on November 08, 2012, 10:38:27 am
Post by: Bluerobin on November 08, 2012, 10:40:21 am
Post by: Karlito on November 08, 2012, 10:42:14 am
Post by: Bluerobin on November 08, 2012, 10:45:36 am
Edit: Whuh oh, inspiration for a nation strikes when I least expect it: http://imgur.com/0xAzO (http://imgur.com/0xAzO)
Canadians will rule the world!
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 08, 2012, 01:28:52 pm
On that topic, Il Palazzo, if you get a chance to check the turn in the next 8 hours or so, would you mind letting me know how badly that siege defense failed? I knew it was going to fail so I tried to take out as many of your astral mages as I could while I was at it, but I get the feeling my communion just didn't work.Huh? I've only breached your walls this month. Ergo, no assault and no defense.
But since you've already said what you said, let me inform you that Magic Duel doesn't take into account any magic boosters, including communion, when calculating the winner. If that's what you were trying to do, then you have one more turn to rethink it!
@Waterplouf:
Welcome to the fertile* lands of R'lyeh! Did you know, you can enter our fabulous country without wetting your fins - there's a connection between Eataine(your fort in Southern Uthulan, province no.59) and "Cape town", i.e. Elven Fortress(14).
I'm telling you this just in case you've forgot/didn't know about enabling province connections to be displayed on the map - a very useful, if not outright necessary for this map feature in the Map Filters menu.
I'd be uncivil to pop up at your gates unexpected.
@Euchre:
Awwww, what a shame. And here I thought I managed to turn you into my unwitting henchman.
*courtesy of Bluerobin
Post by: Bluerobin on November 08, 2012, 01:32:21 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 08, 2012, 01:35:46 pm
Aww, darn, I forgot about that. Thanks for the sporting reminder, though. Makes me wish I hadn't sent away the stealthy portion of my troops.Oh. You mean to say there's a sneaky bunch of troublemakers in the area?
Post by: Bluerobin on November 08, 2012, 01:38:44 pm
They're always around.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2012, 01:53:24 pm
@Euchre:For the record, I was only stalling until I could get forces to take out your fort. I had no intention of our peace treaty to last more than four turns. But then I realized that "I" wouldn't last four turns, so I'm honorable up to the end. :P
Awwww, what a shame. And here I thought I managed to turn you into my unwitting henchman.
Post by: Boksi on November 08, 2012, 02:20:48 pm
And it's pretty thematic too - a being with an ego big enough to claim the throne of the world would not take kindly to having its hopes crushed.
In other news, it appears that Crushers are immune to sleep vines. Is this because they're lifeless?
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2012, 02:29:33 pm
Well, you've done well to fight this long, Euchre. There's not much else I can say about that. I can see how you could consider this turn's losses to be catastrophic, though :P I'm not sure about your fight with Pangaea, but only five units survived the battle of Brasov so that's a pretty bad loss there.I had a similar battle with Pangea, except without the survivors.
And your capital's pretty much doomed, too. But by all means, try to screw me over. It's what I'd try to do if I was in your situation :PMy my my, that is a big ego you've got there. Il Palazzo will kill you, I have no doubt of that, and therefore have no reason to take any sort of action against you for revenge.
Post by: Korbac on November 08, 2012, 02:31:52 pm
Odds of Il Palazzo winning : 90%
Odds of ANYONE else : 10%
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 08, 2012, 02:33:57 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 08, 2012, 02:40:50 pm
Come now, what's with that defeatism? I'm no wizard, you know.
That's not to say I'm not going to ineffectually snap at your heels until you kill me. :P
Post by: Bluerobin on November 08, 2012, 02:47:03 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2012, 03:00:09 pm
Come now, what's with that defeatism? I'm no wizard, you know.
Just Sun Tzu of Dominions 3. Same difference, really.
Ironically, I know that if you had the assets at my disposal, you could win easily. But I can barely comprehend the game, and have lost enough mages to prove that fact. If my losses actually accomplished something, I'd be a bit more cheerful. But they have been pure loss, no gain.
Post by: Karlito on November 08, 2012, 05:16:07 pm
In other news, it appears that Crushers are immune to sleep vines. Is this because they're lifeless?
I think so, yeah. Are there any units with zero encumbrance that aren't lifeless?
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2012, 05:26:17 pm
Dunno. Some undead maybe?In other news, it appears that Crushers are immune to sleep vines. Is this because they're lifeless?
I think so, yeah. Are there any units with zero encumbrance that aren't lifeless?
Yup, some undead aren't lifeless, but do have zero encumbrance.
Post by: Bluerobin on November 08, 2012, 05:29:27 pm
Edit: Oh, also the seasonal animals. Summer Lions, Spring Hawks, etc.
Post by: Karlito on November 08, 2012, 07:59:46 pm
Post by: Waterplouf on November 09, 2012, 05:30:37 am
Thanks for the kind advice. I knew for the province connections display, but I wasn't paying attention about long range connection. Attacking you was maybe a mistake after all ? :P
@Waterplouf:
Welcome to the fertile* lands of R'lyeh! Did you know, you can enter our fabulous country without wetting your fins - there's a connection between Eataine(your fort in Southern Uthulan, province no.59) and "Cape town", i.e. Elven Fortress(14).
I'm telling you this just in case you've forgot/didn't know about enabling province connections to be displayed on the map - a very useful, if not outright necessary for this map feature in the Map Filters menu.
I'd be uncivil to pop up at your gates unexpected.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2012, 09:16:17 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 09, 2012, 09:32:03 am
Post by: a1s on November 09, 2012, 09:35:31 am
Llamaserver is down. Would it be possible to keep it from hosting once it starts up? I wanted to edit my turn, but I can't submit the new turn until 30 minutes after the old one is accepted, and the game may host as soon as Llamaserver comes back online, thus making it impossible to submit an edited turn.Untrue. You can submit turns whenever you like (including within 1 minute of each other, which causes identification problems), and Llama will process them in the order received when it comes online.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2012, 12:29:19 pm
Alright, thanks for clarifying that. I was just worried about my multiple alternate turns. Thanks.Llamaserver is down. Would it be possible to keep it from hosting once it starts up? I wanted to edit my turn, but I can't submit the new turn until 30 minutes after the old one is accepted, and the game may host as soon as Llamaserver comes back online, thus making it impossible to submit an edited turn.Untrue. You can submit turns whenever you like (including within 1 minute of each other, which causes identification problems), and Llama will process them in the order received when it comes online.
Post by: Korbac on November 09, 2012, 07:30:45 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 09, 2012, 07:34:11 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 09, 2012, 10:29:13 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 10, 2012, 03:46:50 pm
Cheers to you and Il P for admin'ing the game so nicely. :D
Post by: Bluerobin on November 10, 2012, 11:01:33 pm
Yay for throwing everything and seeing if any of it sticks. Also, I wish I had any troops at all to soak up the mind attack things your troops use Il Palazzo.
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 10, 2012, 11:05:28 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 10, 2012, 11:30:52 pm
Post by: a1s on November 10, 2012, 11:54:59 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 11, 2012, 12:57:29 pm
I've noticed that my Vastnesses use their Mind Blast attacks on mindless units(doing 0 damage)? I thought they were supposed to target only thinking units.
Post by: Korbac on November 11, 2012, 01:49:58 pm
Don't worry, R'lyeh likes to diet, hardcore fashion.
I've noticed that my Vastnesses use their Mind Blast attacks on mindless units(doing 0 damage)? I thought they were supposed to target only thinking units.
"Don't attack an army of illithids with an army of undead and a few mages. The undead are mindless and the illithids will all blast your commander."
Bug? :(
OR they're using their 'steal strength' on the undead, and then have to use the 'mind blast' on the same target?
Post by: Karlito on November 11, 2012, 01:55:01 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 11, 2012, 02:07:15 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 11, 2012, 02:11:46 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 11, 2012, 02:30:54 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 11, 2012, 03:04:54 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 12, 2012, 05:52:51 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 12, 2012, 08:39:01 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 13, 2012, 04:19:29 am
Post by: Karlito on November 13, 2012, 05:31:40 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 13, 2012, 05:36:17 am
Post by: Karlito on November 13, 2012, 12:06:55 pm
Post by: a1s on November 13, 2012, 01:25:26 pm
Just for the caster of the Global and the Dispell then? I guess that fits. It'd be nice if it let us all know when the seas were unfrozen.That it would (especially seeing as how we can find this out if we look at the Global Magic, so it's not a secret. perhaps it shouldn't say how the enchantment disappeared.)
Post by: Korbac on November 13, 2012, 02:59:41 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 14, 2012, 06:48:37 pm
Sounds like a bad joke: "Two mages and a priest enter a bar. Then Pangea attacks. They all die. Joke over."
Post by: Karlito on November 14, 2012, 10:13:22 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 14, 2012, 10:15:27 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 14, 2012, 10:22:33 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 15, 2012, 05:42:42 am
Cherish the small victories. You got a lychanthropos' amulet stuck on my national hero.
"Ooooh, what's this?"
"DON'T PICK THAT UP!"
Post by: EuchreJack on November 15, 2012, 05:19:50 pm
I've been trying to do that ever since it got stuck on my guy. I'm sure your national hero will enjoy the regeneration and homicidal rage. :PCherish the small victories. You got a lychanthropos' amulet stuck on my national hero.
"Ooooh, what's this?"
"DON'T PICK THAT UP!"
Post by: Korbac on November 16, 2012, 03:41:59 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 16, 2012, 05:15:16 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 17, 2012, 03:40:50 am
And I even let windows update earlier today to avoid this crap.
Now I have to redo my turn, from scratch. Worst of all, I'm not nearly as attentive to detail when I'm redoing something, so congratuations Abysia and Pangea: Windows just gave you victory.
Anyone know how to disable auto-shutdown on Windows 7?
EDIT: I figured it out. Annoying thing: Only options are "manually install updates" or "let Windows shut down my computer to install updates". What I'd really like is "Install updates when I shut down the blood thing, and stop annoying me."
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 17, 2012, 08:41:17 am
Don't get discouraged though. Analyse your mistakes, and redesign your strategy. Although it might be too late for your underwater holdings, your surface forces are still considerable.
Post by: Waterplouf on November 17, 2012, 09:40:34 am
Dang Waterplouf, not the most satisfying turn for you, eh?
Don't get discouraged though. Analyse your mistakes, and redesign your strategy. Although it might be too late for your underwater holdings, your surface forces are still considerable.
Yeah... I don't really know what to do. I was really hopeful with the dispel spell, but I don't have the adequate gem pool to go with mass of it. I will fight to the end though, even if the future of atlantis seems pretty grim...
Post by: Korbac on November 17, 2012, 10:42:41 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 17, 2012, 01:24:56 pm
Yeah... I don't really know what to do. I was really hopeful with the dispel spell, but I don't have the adequate gem pool to go with mass of it. I will fight to the end though, even if the future of atlantis seems pretty grim...Frankly, with my current gem income I can reliably freeze the seas every second turn, which means that there's no way the dispel could actually work. Unless you manage to kill my national hero who's casting it, befoe I get a hold of some replacement/magic booster to get some other mage to Water 6.
Post by: Karlito on November 17, 2012, 08:25:42 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 17, 2012, 08:45:24 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 17, 2012, 10:24:48 pm
Uh, so I'm trying to use my (Ubuntu) netbook to do this turn because I'm travelling and it won't let me scroll the army setup window. Anyone know how to fix it?
Post by: EuchreJack on November 18, 2012, 02:25:47 am
Bah! Opportunistic Jomon eating up my undead-- do you know how many turns it took to gather those together?
I'm guessing three. Those undead plant-things grow like weeds: The hard part is finding enough commanders to ferry them around.
Attacking somebody and making it seem like you're the victim: I seem to remember you doing that when our little war started.
And if you have the gem income to "reliably freeze the sea every second turn", you can probably empower some shmuck to Water 6 with whatever boosters you've got in one or two turns (especially since you've reliable access to recruit Water 3 mages, it's not a long hike). Assuming you're unable to summon something better by now (and I've seen your research graph: You can probably summon better).Yeah... I don't really know what to do. I was really hopeful with the dispel spell, but I don't have the adequate gem pool to go with mass of it. I will fight to the end though, even if the future of atlantis seems pretty grim...Frankly, with my current gem income I can reliably freeze the seas every second turn, which means that there's no way the dispel could actually work. Unless you manage to kill my national hero who's casting it, befoe I get a hold of some replacement/magic booster to get some other mage to Water 6.
I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but: Il Palazzo has practically won. Look at the graphs. Look at his total dominance of the terrain. Note that he has the Gateway Spell: It allows him to transport armies between labs, especially between underwater and surface labs. Note his Deadly Quartet still lives unhindered. Frankly, I'm at a loss to see how he can possibly lose.
Post by: Korbac on November 18, 2012, 10:11:25 am
Doom and gloom
At least we can feel smug when he wins with an "I told you so!" :P
Post by: EuchreJack on November 18, 2012, 01:17:05 pm
Doom and gloom
At least we can feel smug when he wins with an "I told you so!" :P
I'm happy to have been able to call it first. ;D
Post by: Korbac on November 18, 2012, 02:38:29 pm
The Bad News : That battle could have easily gone the other way.
The Good News : I have far more than that up my sleeve. :P
Post by: EuchreJack on November 18, 2012, 07:46:42 pm
Post by: a1s on November 18, 2012, 09:33:11 pm
(generally though, 'losing your god and capital' strongly correlates with 'losing a war very badly', so usually no.)
Post by: Karlito on November 18, 2012, 10:34:59 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 18, 2012, 11:32:25 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 19, 2012, 03:30:44 am
That depends. You can if you're Emor 8)
(generally though, 'losing your god and capital' strongly correlates with 'losing a war very badly', so usually no.)
Well, I was already losing two wars badly before my God and Capital snuffed it. And this is my God's second time down, so he is almost not worth bringing back now.
EDIT: Damn. He'd return to the capital, so he'll just die again. Hope everyone enjoys a world without Booze. I'd go drown my sorrows in some drink, but it no longer exists. :'(
Post by: Korbac on November 19, 2012, 03:33:33 am
Post by: EuchreJack on November 19, 2012, 03:34:48 am
But nobody is alive in Gath to enjoy this, so meh.
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 19, 2012, 07:09:47 am
This turn shall be my last, and the only question to be answered is thus: would you folks like me to set myself to AI(mindless hordes after all), or hand the control to some other person(maybe Euchre, eh? To take revenge on your assailants with the hordes of your sometime enemies?)
I apologise to all the people that cast their votes on R'lyeh, I won't be able to make good on them. Frankly, I'm not sure I would anyway, despite some agitation from certain parties.
Anyway, do inform me of your decision.
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 19, 2012, 09:07:07 am
Post by: Bluerobin on November 19, 2012, 10:04:03 am
Also, if you do end up leaving I'll have a three game trend (that's statistically significant, right?) of a surefire way to kill a multiplayer game.
Post by: Karlito on November 19, 2012, 10:23:23 am
Post by: Korbac on November 19, 2012, 12:12:41 pm
Please stay! :'(
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 19, 2012, 01:04:10 pm
This is less of a turn time issue than a matter of my inability to participate for a certain period of time.
There's shit that I absolutely have to focus on doing during the upcoming forthnight, and honestly cannot afford any distractions, or at least not one of the magnitude that Dominions became.
If you're so inclined, the game could be paused for that period, but I'm not sure if that's not even better a way of killing the game. Also, I can't promise with 100% certainty that my absence won't end up getting extended.
Post by: Darkwind3 on November 19, 2012, 02:31:20 pm
Post by: Boksi on November 19, 2012, 03:22:03 pm
In other news, I can apparently recruit pale ones from Gath's ex-capital. Seems like a bug to me. Of course, pale ones suck so I won't be recruiting any anyway.
Post by: Karlito on November 19, 2012, 03:32:27 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 19, 2012, 03:39:07 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 19, 2012, 04:20:59 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 19, 2012, 04:25:47 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 19, 2012, 06:18:29 pm
hand the control to some other person(maybe Euchre, eh? To take revenge on your assailants with the hordes of your sometime enemies?)
Some part of me really likes this option. ;D
There's shit that I absolutely have to focus on doing during the upcoming forthnight, and honestly cannot afford any distractions, or at least not one of the magnitude that Dominions became.
If you're so inclined, the game could be paused for that period
But that is the option I truly support.
Post by: Boksi on November 20, 2012, 03:15:35 am
Post by: Karlito on November 20, 2012, 04:58:45 am
Post by: Boksi on November 21, 2012, 03:42:25 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 21, 2012, 03:48:42 pm
Post by: Boksi on November 21, 2012, 03:56:19 pm
Wait we figured something out? Or am I missing sarcasm because of no sleep?The latter.
Post by: Bluerobin on November 21, 2012, 04:13:48 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 22, 2012, 01:17:43 am
I didn't get the sarcasm either, and I'm only sorta tired.Wait we figured something out? Or am I missing sarcasm because of no sleep?The latter.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 23, 2012, 11:23:13 pm
I'm willing to wait until you come back, Il Big Cheese. :)
I think we still need for you to submit your turn.
Post by: Karlito on November 23, 2012, 11:30:04 pm
Post by: Korbac on November 24, 2012, 07:36:57 pm
I kind of let this fall off the radar a bit, didn't I?
I'll just check me email in case the turn hasn't rolled yet.
Turns done! Good luck everyone. :D
Post by: EuchreJack on November 26, 2012, 07:50:22 am
Post by: Karlito on November 26, 2012, 08:13:57 am
Post by: Korbac on November 26, 2012, 08:19:45 am
Post by: Bluerobin on November 26, 2012, 09:55:34 am
Post by: Korbac on November 26, 2012, 11:04:10 am
Post by: Bluerobin on November 26, 2012, 11:13:45 am
Post by: Boksi on November 26, 2012, 02:51:09 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 26, 2012, 04:31:15 pm
Post by: a1s on November 27, 2012, 12:05:19 am
Post by: EuchreJack on November 27, 2012, 12:34:18 am
Or a month if we don't have a R'lyeh. People (myself included) seemed generally against them going AI, and replacements seem scarce, so I guess we're on semitemporary hiatus. (who knows if that will kill the game faster than a large AI nation?)
What do you mean scarce? Il Palazzo said I could take over if he couldn't come back. :D
More seriously, I'd like to keep the job open for Il Palazzo until he says he won't be able to return. It would be sort of anti-climatic to destroy R'lyeh with somebody else at the throne.
Post by: Korbac on November 27, 2012, 03:49:36 am
Post by: a1s on November 27, 2012, 04:08:12 am
I agree with Euchre. If we AI / replace Il Pazz, it will kind of 'invalidate' the result of the game, considering that as of this time I'd say he's the most likely to win it. Even if he's not, he's definitely a big player.You could also win (you have equal forecasts in the poll). More importantly there will be other games. This one isn't any sort of championship- it's just a friendly game.
Post by: Korbac on November 27, 2012, 04:13:53 am
I agree with Euchre. If we AI / replace Il Pazz, it will kind of 'invalidate' the result of the game, considering that as of this time I'd say he's the most likely to win it. Even if he's not, he's definitely a big player.You could also win (you have equal forecasts in the poll). More importantly there will be other games. This one isn't any sort of championship- it's just a friendly game.
Cheers for the confidence, although I doubt it. :P
It's because it's a friendly game that I don't want to replace him. :P You are right, there will be other games. You can even make another one now if you like. But I'm enjoying the way this one is going and feel replacing Paz wouldn't be as fun, as well as it being a little cheeky after the fact that he pretty much set all these up.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 27, 2012, 09:23:45 am
I agree with Euchre. If we AI / replace Il Pazz, it will kind of 'invalidate' the result of the game, considering that as of this time I'd say he's the most likely to win it. Even if he's not, he's definitely a big player.You could also win (you have equal forecasts in the poll). More importantly there will be other games. This one isn't any sort of championship- it's just a friendly game.
Cheers for the confidence, although I doubt it. :P
It's because it's a friendly game that I don't want to replace him. :P You are right, there will be other games. You can even make another one now if you like. But I'm enjoying the way this one is going and feel replacing Paz wouldn't be as fun, as well as it being a little cheeky after the fact that he pretty much set all these up.
His kind invitation is the reason I'm here. Dunno if that means I want to thank him or see him defeated. :P
I'm not saying that we can't replace Il Palazzo ever, I'm just saying that I currently prefer to wait. He said he needed about a month, and I'm willing to give that to him. If he's not back by January, or indicates that he won't be able to continue, then I'd be ok with replacing him.
Besides, I prefer a slower pace. I've got a lot going on myself.
Post by: gp1628 on November 27, 2012, 01:29:47 pm
The new Dominions 3 patch 3.28 is out. Since there is presently no publisher selling the game, you need to go to www.Illwinter.com directly to get it. Soon hopefully the game and patches will become available on Desura, possibly GamersGate and Steam.
FYI Illwinters other game Conquest of Elysium 3 also has recently released a patch
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 29, 2012, 04:47:40 pm
If you're ok with waiting another week plus minus a few days, I should be back and ready to rock.
Post by: Karlito on November 29, 2012, 08:24:01 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 29, 2012, 08:29:00 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 01, 2012, 11:45:12 pm
Post by: Korbac on December 02, 2012, 01:14:43 pm
I hope you didn't miss your turn Karlito. ;)
Post by: a1s on December 02, 2012, 02:49:42 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 02, 2012, 02:53:50 pm
I hope you didn't miss your turn Karlito. ;)It was Gath, Utgard and Atlantis. Actually, first looking at the turn I thought for a minute that you might have staled, since that big ol' army of yours hadn't moved.
And yeah, rollbacks seem to have a reputation for breaking things. I'd at least like the three players in question to weigh in before we consider anything like that. We've probably got a few weeks until Palazzo is able to submit his next turn.
Post by: Korbac on December 02, 2012, 03:54:20 pm
Dear Karlito, you're speaking as if I've only got one. ;)
Even if I lose now I know I've bothered you more than in the previous game. :P
Post by: Karlito on December 02, 2012, 06:42:37 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on December 05, 2012, 12:53:44 am
If Abyssia did not stall, prepare for an angry rant.
Post by: Karlito on December 05, 2012, 12:57:37 am
It was Gath, Utgard and Atlantis.
Bracing for rant.
Post by: EuchreJack on December 05, 2012, 01:02:36 am
It was Gath, Utgard and Atlantis.
Bracing for rant.
Insert rant here
Doesn't matter, since I'm going to say to go along with the game without the rollback. Sure I'm pissed, really pissed, but what am I going to do? Sacrifice the game because I feel wronged? Nah, I really didn't have much to lose anyways.
Patch is needed before the turn, got it.
Since Abyssia got a free turn to pummel on me, would it be unfair of me to demand three turns of peace between me and Abyssia since I'm not demanding a rollback?
One turn to make up for the lost turn, and one turn because I won't be engaging in offensive action (a favor that Abyssia failed to pay me), and one turn because unlike Abyssia I had no warning or say?
Utgard and Atlantis might also wish some sort of peace with their aggressors before agreeing to continue without a rollback (or they might prefer a bribe and continued warfare, they can't be as bad off as me [although I note that Atlantis has been losing ground badly over the past few turns]). And since we make up a third of the players, it isn't unreasonable.
Post by: Korbac on December 05, 2012, 05:30:50 am
Post by: Boksi on December 05, 2012, 08:59:43 am
Well, I'll just let the thread decide. I'll win either way. Attacking independents in former Gath territory doesn't count as war, does it?
@Korbac: You'll need the patch so your game can read the new turn.
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 05, 2012, 09:28:02 am
Anyway, I'm more or less back. I might need an extension or two later on, but otherwise we can play.
Post by: Bluerobin on December 05, 2012, 12:41:21 pm
And welcome back Il Palazzo!
Post by: EuchreJack on December 05, 2012, 08:47:59 pm
Attacking independents in former Gath territory doesn't count as war, does it?
Of course not. I have no claim on independent territory, and I don't have the forces to oust independents anyways.
I guess just explain the situation a little more because I guess I don't get it right now.) Was there actually some diplomacy going on where Abysia had agreed not to attack but did anyway?
You're certainly entitled to more of an explanation. There was no diplomacy between me and Abysia.
My problem was the game being declared "on hold", then not finding out it had started up until after the turn was processed. Look at my post history: I wasn't even online between Il Palazzo's announcement and yesterday, so how was I to know that the game was restarted?
The whole "demanding peace with Abysia" thing is just the price of my not demanding a rollback. It's not a request directed at blaming Abysia (although I realize that I originally did just that, for which I'm sorry Boksi), but rather just what I want more than anything in this game.
Post by: Korbac on December 06, 2012, 02:21:41 pm
The Aby situation complicates things - At least I can hedge my bets on the fact that Pan is out to spank me. :P
Post by: EuchreJack on December 07, 2012, 01:02:55 am
Post by: Waterplouf on December 07, 2012, 01:13:40 am
Post by: EuchreJack on December 08, 2012, 10:14:13 pm
What, Gath wants peace so it can rebuild its army with its brand new fort, completed just this turn? :P
Well, I'll just let the thread decide. I'll win either way. Attacking independents in former Gath territory doesn't count as war, does it?
It would be nice if the thread decided something, so me and Abysia could submit our turns. Poll maybe?
For the sake of continuing, would you be willing to at least agree to a one-turn truce Boksi, just so we both can submit our turns and get things back on track? Basically, for the turn we're about to submit, we don't fight. Whether or not that continues for any subsequent turns can be dealt with later.
EDIT: Just to bolster my argument, here are my losses from my missed turn.
1) Capital-only mage. With my capital in enemy hands, he simply can not be replaced.
2) Starvation in fortress that Pangea is besieging. I had an Endless Bag of Wine in storage: It could have been completely prevented.
3)
4) Failed to stop advance into territory.
Boski might argue that the capital-only mage would have been lost anyways. But I had a magic weapon in storage which could have bolstered the defenses. The point isn't that I could or could not do anything: The point is that I never had the chance.
EDIT2: Sorry about the mis-statement of losses. But that Capital-only mage really was valuable and irreplaceable in my current position.
Post by: Karlito on December 08, 2012, 10:25:11 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on December 08, 2012, 10:43:42 pm
Yeah, you're doing alright for yourself, though I'm beginning to move beyond the "hordes of manikin supported by animal-infantry" tactic. We'll see how well you do against the evil brewing in my capital.
Yes, I saw your militia. :P
Post by: Karlito on December 08, 2012, 10:47:52 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on December 08, 2012, 10:55:01 pm
Yes, I have about 100 satrys (the useless ones without javelins) and militia from that "good" event. I guess they make slightly better spear-catchers than the undead.
Well, at least priests can't kill them. I'm not sure if that is a good thing.
Post by: Boksi on December 09, 2012, 07:53:30 am
Post by: EuchreJack on December 09, 2012, 08:36:40 am
Fine, fine, I'll give you a couple of turns' respite. :P
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Post by: Korbac on December 09, 2012, 11:09:15 am
Pan, prepare for an EPILEPTIC SHOWDOWN
that snake was just a test and I doubt my Tengu will fare any better but w/e
Edit: You could always, you know, abandon the siege of Gath's fort, Pan. In which case I would be able to be flanked rather handily...
Post by: Karlito on December 09, 2012, 12:33:04 pm
Edit: You could always, you know, abandon the siege of Gath's fort, Pan. In which case I would be able to be flanked rather handily...
Who's to say I haven't already?
Muahahahahahahaha
Post by: Korbac on December 09, 2012, 12:52:16 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 09, 2012, 12:54:58 pm
Post by: Korbac on December 09, 2012, 12:55:49 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on December 12, 2012, 08:12:37 am
Which brings up a question to Boski: Are we at peace for this turn, or has the war started back up?
Post by: Boksi on December 12, 2012, 09:24:02 am
Yay new turn!Eh, I'll let you have this turn of peace. Maybe I'll give the orders to attack next turn.
Which brings up a question to Boski: Are we at peace for this turn, or has the war started back up?
Post by: Karlito on December 12, 2012, 08:49:24 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on December 13, 2012, 01:15:39 am
Oh and posting to watch so I don't lose track of the Dominion games again. I was here for a bit and then disappeared and I don't plan on doing that again (AI Swing frustratingly between easy and annoying to deal with)
Post by: Korbac on December 13, 2012, 03:13:08 am
Edit : Can I have an extension to 4AM GMT tonight please if need be? I have some work to be in tomorrow and I plan to go out to buy a Christmas present later. :)
Post by: Bluerobin on December 14, 2012, 02:10:23 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 14, 2012, 06:29:07 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 14, 2012, 07:07:27 pm
Hot damn, arrow fend would have made a difference in that battle, for sure. It's a pity there aren't any A3 mages just lying about.There are in R'lyeh. :P
Post by: Bluerobin on December 14, 2012, 07:35:30 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on December 15, 2012, 04:16:52 am
Yay new turn!Eh, I'll let you have this turn of peace. Maybe I'll give the orders to attack next turn.
Which brings up a question to Boski: Are we at peace for this turn, or has the war started back up?
Well, since I requested peace for three turns, I'll ask if we've got peace for this third turn.
Post by: Boksi on December 16, 2012, 04:01:03 pm
Eh, fine, you can have your precious peace for this one last turn. I'll definitely attack next turn, though.Yay new turn!Eh, I'll let you have this turn of peace. Maybe I'll give the orders to attack next turn.
Which brings up a question to Boski: Are we at peace for this turn, or has the war started back up?
Well, since I requested peace for three turns, I'll ask if we've got peace for this third turn.
Post by: EuchreJack on December 16, 2012, 04:14:28 pm
Thanks for your understanding. You're a fair opponent.Eh, fine, you can have your precious peace for this one last turn. I'll definitely attack next turn, though.Yay new turn!Eh, I'll let you have this turn of peace. Maybe I'll give the orders to attack next turn.
Which brings up a question to Boski: Are we at peace for this turn, or has the war started back up?
Well, since I requested peace for three turns, I'll ask if we've got peace for this third turn.
Post by: Karlito on December 16, 2012, 04:14:39 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on December 16, 2012, 04:17:09 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on December 16, 2012, 04:20:38 pm
Post by: Korbac on December 16, 2012, 04:35:28 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 16, 2012, 05:06:47 pm
Post by: Korbac on December 16, 2012, 05:08:50 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 16, 2012, 05:12:26 pm
Post by: Korbac on December 17, 2012, 03:31:03 am
You mean where I tried to keep you off my back with bluster while never really being able to spare the resources to fight you until you wised up and attacked me, such that I had to fight a war on two fronts?
Uhhh, yeah, not falling for that again. :P
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someone was supposed to cast Relief.
It's entirely possible you scripted them to do that and you suffered from the RanDumb element of the game. :(
Post by: Boksi on December 18, 2012, 01:51:17 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on December 18, 2012, 09:31:51 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 18, 2012, 10:03:25 pm
Post by: Korbac on December 19, 2012, 03:21:27 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 19, 2012, 09:26:39 am
Post by: Shadowgandor on December 19, 2012, 10:29:07 am
Post by: EuchreJack on December 19, 2012, 06:44:15 pm
Post by: Boksi on December 20, 2012, 03:01:24 am
Nice offensive Boski, but you must have seen that turn going better for you.Maybe so, but I found a magic site that lets me recruit markata in the round 10 game so I've come out ahead.
Post by: EuchreJack on December 20, 2012, 05:36:07 pm
I think you should focus more on your round 10 game. ;DNice offensive Boski, but you must have seen that turn going better for you.Maybe so, but I found a magic site that lets me recruit markata in the round 10 game so I've come out ahead.
Post by: Bluerobin on December 21, 2012, 05:40:50 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 21, 2012, 05:50:28 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 21, 2012, 11:46:27 pm
That somebody is probably Atlantis and Ermor and then maybe the rest of the world.
Also, Boksi: I understand insane scouts attacking my provinces from time to time, but whyfor the ones with sound minds?
Post by: Boksi on December 22, 2012, 12:18:01 am
Also, Boksi: I understand insane scouts attacking my provinces from time to time, but whyfor the ones with sound minds?I'm replacing my scouts with dudes holding soul contracts and stone spheres. It's more commander efficient and gives me better information. I'm withdrawing most of my remaining scouts to serve as blood slave ferries but I figured that even if the scouts in your territory weren't insane, they were seriously far away and my upkeep was, and is, killing me, even with my massive income. Yeah, I realize now that killing off two scouts isn't going to put a dent in that. I also forgot that Elven Fortress connects to Eataine connects to Lasheik and Cothique which connect to my empire, so I could have had that scout return fairly quickly. Playing Dominions 3 while distracted by illness and worrying about the impending time limit tends to cause poor decision making.
Post by: EuchreJack on December 22, 2012, 01:46:31 am
Playing Dominions 3 while distracted by illness and worrying about the impending time limit tends to cause poor decision making.Considering my recent losses due to your disease demon attacks, my heart really bleeds for you. ::)
I'd also like to point out that my recent thug initiatives were a complete failure. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
Post by: Karlito on December 22, 2012, 01:57:31 am
Post by: EuchreJack on December 22, 2012, 02:04:43 am
Can't be worse than Jomon's attempt.I'm sure I lost more gems than Jomon. After all, I put approximately 50 gems into the thugs alone, not including the equipment.
And I've figured out how the disease demons work: Spend 5 blood slaves, get ethereal flying demon to attack schmuck. Almost impossible to counter. The best case scenario is that the demon only scratches my unit, which means a slow death instead of an instant one.
With the loss of momentium, it is official: I'm only still in the game because I've got nothing better to do. :P
Post by: Karlito on December 22, 2012, 02:12:10 am
Post by: EuchreJack on December 22, 2012, 02:19:41 am
Hmmm, my experience with disease demons has left me feeling that they're not all that useful. They cost 11 bloodslaves and need a blood-5 mage to cast the spell, which means a previous investment in boosters unless it's your pretender, and there's generally better things to spend that mage-month on. The disease transfer isn't even guaranteed, after all that.Considering I got hit with two of them, I doubt Boski has a shortage of blood-5 mages. And in this case, they were super-effective: They killed a mercenary commander that was about to retake my capital, and my last capital-only mage. From here on out, I've got little to lose, but they did their job.
Post by: Boksi on December 22, 2012, 03:08:56 am
As for blood mages, my warlocks can theoretically reach B6 naturally, but that's incredibly rare. B4 is much more likely(~25% chance). Incidentally, I name them based on their randoms.
Fire: Water Shortage
Earth: Desertification
Astral: Peak Oil
Blood: Feedback Loop
And the guys who get a 10% random get special names. I've got a naming scheme for pretty much all my units.
Post by: Bluerobin on December 22, 2012, 03:24:18 am
Playing Dominions 3 while distracted by illness and worrying about the impending time limit tends to cause poor decision making.Playing Dominions 3 while slightly intoxicated and in a hurry has similar impacts. At least I'm not missing turns so trades are going through.
Post by: Korbac on December 22, 2012, 01:23:33 pm
Can't be worse than Jomon's attempt.
XD
Laugh all you like, Pan, but by this time next year you'll be my vassal, if you exist at all. :)
Post by: Boksi on December 23, 2012, 07:24:05 am
By the way, we celebrate Christmas on the 24th here, and the presents are opened in the evening, after a lavish dinner.
Post by: Waterplouf on December 23, 2012, 11:26:48 am
So, I'll be invading somebody soonish. Just saying.
That somebody is probably Atlantis and Ermor and then maybe the rest of the world.
Also, Boksi: I understand insane scouts attacking my provinces from time to time, but whyfor the ones with sound minds?
Bah, you may take our lives, but you'll never take our freedom !
...
Ok maybe you will.
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 23, 2012, 10:00:29 pm
Bah, I've finally recovered from my illness and now I've gotta do a bunch of last-minute shopping. Not sure if I'll get my turn done today, but we'll see.By the power of Christmas, I grant thee(and Jomon) an extension! See you after the celebrations.
By the way, we celebrate Christmas on the 24th here, and the presents are opened in the evening, after a lavish dinner.
@Waterplouf: Yhese are scary armies you've got prepared there, and your research is now top notch. Despite my bragging, it surely won't be easy to dent your defences.
Post by: EuchreJack on December 23, 2012, 10:41:40 pm
Bah, I've finally recovered from my illness and now I've gotta do a bunch of last-minute shopping. Not sure if I'll get my turn done today, but we'll see.By the power of Christmas, I grant thee(and Jomon) an extension! See you after the celebrations.
By the way, we celebrate Christmas on the 24th here, and the presents are opened in the evening, after a lavish dinner.
@Waterplouf: Yhese are scary armies you've got prepared there, and your research is now top notch. Despite my bragging, it surely won't be easy to dent your defences.
Yay for the power of Christmas and other winter holidays!
Let me translate Il Palazzo's statement towards Atlantis: "@Waterplouf: Please don't change anything because I've already developed counters." :P
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 24, 2012, 05:49:16 am
Post by: Waterplouf on December 24, 2012, 08:36:45 am
More like: everybody, write 5-page strategy tips for WaterploufReally, who needs strategy when you have arssartut.
When I began to play I was really being careful with every little details. Trying to Vary my unit composition, being careful to allocate just enough points in magic to go 1 level up, the usual stuff I guess. I was pretty confident with my armies too. but then I attacked Il Palazzo and he just blew everything I had in the sea...
Now all I have is a tiny island lost in the ocean, with no access to the sea so yeah, I kind of lost the eager to fine tune everything :P .
Post by: EuchreJack on December 25, 2012, 12:43:10 am
Well, if you want advice, just pm various players in the Rebel Alliance and ask for help. I know where you're coming from, having lost a lot in the war with Abysia. However, once you find something that you think might turn back the tide, it'll really invigorate you. Wish I could say that my forces have even dented the Abyssian Juggernaut, but at least I'm fighting back.More like: everybody, write 5-page strategy tips for WaterploufReally, who needs strategy when you have arssartut.
When I began to play I was really being careful with every little details. Trying to Vary my unit composition, being careful to allocate just enough points in magic to go 1 level up, the usual stuff I guess. I was pretty confident with my armies too. but then I attacked Il Palazzo and he just blew everything I had in the sea...
Now all I have is a tiny island lost in the ocean, with no access to the sea so yeah, I kind of lost the eager to fine tune everything :P .
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on December 27, 2012, 03:39:30 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 27, 2012, 07:25:32 am
Post by: Korbac on December 27, 2012, 03:38:12 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 29, 2012, 04:16:04 pm
Post by: Boksi on December 29, 2012, 04:29:09 pm
Post by: Korbac on December 29, 2012, 07:40:41 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 29, 2012, 11:34:52 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 30, 2012, 09:02:26 am
We'll see if I can crack your defences without him.
And the absent a1s did well on the Utgard front. Interesting times.
Post by: EuchreJack on December 30, 2012, 12:03:27 pm
Post by: Korbac on December 30, 2012, 07:27:29 pm
Is it? I've been waiting for the Jomonese hammer to fall for like 4 turns now.
Get ready! :D
Post by: EuchreJack on December 30, 2012, 09:57:17 pm
Post by: Waterplouf on December 31, 2012, 06:01:40 am
Haha, good job Waterplouf. You killed that one geared-out starspawn I was depending on for battlefield enchantements. It was painful to watch him cast his scripted spells during an assassination attempt.At least I hope he was worth the gems I used to summon :P .
We'll see if I can crack your defences without him.
And the absent a1s did well on the Utgard front. Interesting times.
About Tupilak (and assassin in general) though, is there a way to summon them together or are they bound to always be alone when attacking ?
Also prepare for the final battle Palazzo, there is no turning back now !
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 31, 2012, 08:43:50 am
About Tupilak (and assassin in general) though, is there a way to summon them together or are they bound to always be alone when attacking ?No, the assassins are forever alone.
Also prepare for the final battle Palazzo, there is no turning back now !Bring it! :)
Post by: EuchreJack on December 31, 2012, 10:47:13 am
Provisionally, I'd like to request a 24-48 hour extension to celebrate the New Years Eve and Day festivities.I note the game was pushed back. Thanks admins, and Happy New Year!
Post by: Waterplouf on December 31, 2012, 06:06:13 pm
Post by: Korbac on January 02, 2013, 01:21:22 pm
I'll take a look now! :)
Post by: Karlito on January 04, 2013, 01:02:38 am
...
"Massive army, Y U no patrol outside of fort like I ordered?"
Post by: EuchreJack on January 04, 2013, 01:13:04 am
"Alright, time to see how the decisive battle went!"
...
"Massive army, Y U no patrol outside of fort like I ordered?"
Hey, you can't blame them for wanting to celebrate the new year instead of working. :P
Post by: Karlito on January 04, 2013, 01:30:53 am
Post by: Korbac on January 04, 2013, 02:58:39 am
"Alright, time to see how the decisive battle went!"
...
"Massive army, Y U no patrol outside of fort like I ordered?"
Ugh, that must have been terrible. :-\ I can back out if you want and we can try again properly? I don't want to defeat you because you left the oven on or something. :P
Post by: Karlito on January 04, 2013, 03:05:25 am
Post by: Korbac on January 04, 2013, 03:07:43 am
Post by: EuchreJack on January 04, 2013, 10:49:28 pm
Well, I can console myself with the knowledge that your dead demons weren't exactly free.
Post by: Boksi on January 05, 2013, 12:16:25 pm
Boski, how did you know my Flying Poison Golem was going to attack that territory? :PHe just happened to move into a province where I was moving my reinforcements through, that's all.
Well, I can console myself with the knowledge that your dead demons weren't exactly free.
Post by: EuchreJack on January 05, 2013, 08:21:18 pm
Post by: Waterplouf on January 05, 2013, 08:58:26 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 05, 2013, 09:36:41 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on January 05, 2013, 11:14:04 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 06, 2013, 11:16:55 am
Post by: Karlito on January 06, 2013, 11:47:32 am
Post by: Waterplouf on January 06, 2013, 12:33:48 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2013, 03:35:55 pm
Guys, I have a question about supplies. For instance does a 300 supply count army suffer the same penalities if they are in a 150 supplies region as if they were in a 295 supplies region ? And they only suffer from afflictions right ? They won't just die out ?
Every soldier above the supply limit first suffers starvation, then if they don't recieve supplies the next turn they become diseased (lose 1 hp per turn, never heal, gain other afflictions: AKA almost certain death).
What that means is that a 300 supply count army in a 295 supply region will see roughly 5 human-sized soldiers affected, whereas a 300 supply count army in a 150 supply region will see half its army affected. So if you can't increase your supplies higher than your army demand, then the closer the better, by far.
EDIT: Nice enchantment Boski. I guess I can forget about reclaiming any of my old territories. :'(
Post by: Boksi on January 06, 2013, 06:02:19 pm
EDIT: Nice enchantment Boski. I guess I can forget about reclaiming any of my old territories. :'(I can't see what the announcement actually said, though. Anyone mind showing me?
Post by: Korbac on January 06, 2013, 06:19:11 pm
Haha! An asskicking of that magnitude deserves a play by play analysis.
Go ahead, and get ready for round two! XD
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2013, 06:50:29 pm
EDIT: Nice enchantment Boski. I guess I can forget about reclaiming any of my old territories. :'(I can't see what the announcement actually said, though. Anyone mind showing me?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh, and is your Goddess actually a tranvestite or something? According to the description, your Goddess is a he.
Lol Boksi! What did you do to the dominion graph?Note the enchantment was cast by Boski's Goddess. I'm guessing she recently was reborn.
Post by: Korbac on January 06, 2013, 06:57:59 pm
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Oh, and is your Goddess actually a tranvestite or something? According to the description, your Goddess is a he.~
Such information could cause Boski to lose support if revealed in such an old era. :P
Post by: EuchreJack on January 06, 2013, 07:01:10 pm
QuoteOh, and is your Goddess actually a tranvestite or something? According to the description, your Goddess is a he.~
Such information could cause Boski to lose support if revealed in such an old era. :P
Or maybe gain support. I'm sure at least a few of Boski's citizens would be relieved that a man is in charge, even if he likes to wear dresses and drink blood. :P
Post by: Waterplouf on January 07, 2013, 04:15:28 am
Guys, I have a question about supplies. For instance does a 300 supply count army suffer the same penalities if they are in a 150 supplies region as if they were in a 295 supplies region ? And they only suffer from afflictions right ? They won't just die out ?
Every soldier above the supply limit first suffers starvation, then if they don't recieve supplies the next turn they become diseased (lose 1 hp per turn, never heal, gain other afflictions: AKA almost certain death).
What that means is that a 300 supply count army in a 295 supply region will see roughly 5 human-sized soldiers affected, whereas a 300 supply count army in a 150 supply region will see half its army affected. So if you can't increase your supplies higher than your army demand, then the closer the better, by far.
EDIT: Nice enchantment Boski. I guess I can forget about reclaiming any of my old territories. :'(
Thanks for the insight :)
Post by: Korbac on January 07, 2013, 07:43:00 pm
Post by: Karlito on January 07, 2013, 09:24:49 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 08, 2013, 12:39:15 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on January 08, 2013, 12:43:08 pm
Edit: also, it might be worth looking up the keyboard shortcut for what you're trying to do and use that. I know summoned Watchers can only patrol if you use the patrol shortcut key.
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 08, 2013, 01:00:20 pm
I'm not going to try using shortcuts. While Watchers not being able to patrol does seem like a bug, in this case forcing an immobile unit to move would be rather exploit'y in my opinion.
I could probably wait a turn for Waterplouf to breach the walls, but then we'd have to fight through the narrow gates, which would feel anticlimactic. I'm too eager to do a proper battle - it's been a while since I felt the thrill.
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 08, 2013, 01:01:25 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on January 08, 2013, 01:04:15 pm
Post by: Korbac on January 08, 2013, 06:43:27 pm
Speaking of which, I looked at the turn. I'm glad you're proud of yourself, and to be honest I was worrying alot - but having looked at your army and the losses chart... I'm going to say that I did reasonably well.
Now you will learn that the second army is not merely a fabrication as it should be on you in 2 - 4 turns. :D
Good luck!
Post by: Karlito on January 08, 2013, 06:51:25 pm
Speaking of which, I looked at the turn. I'm glad you're proud of yourself, and to be honest I was worrying alot - but having looked at your army and the losses chart... I'm going to say that I did reasonably well.
My losses were entirely in freespawn, though. I thought I'd done pretty well killing all those mages, but maybe it only takes you 3 or 4 turns to build that many with all those forts you've got.
Post by: Korbac on January 08, 2013, 07:38:54 pm
Speaking of which, I looked at the turn. I'm glad you're proud of yourself, and to be honest I was worrying alot - but having looked at your army and the losses chart... I'm going to say that I did reasonably well.
My losses were entirely in freespawn, though. I thought I'd done pretty well killing all those mages, but maybe it only takes you 3 or 4 turns to build that many with all those forts you've got.
Exactement. I'm still site searching some of my lands as well with teh bootstrapped dood. If you beat the next army I might have to use the Tatsus. :P
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 09, 2013, 07:41:36 am
We need people to declare themselves whether they want to continue playing, can't make it even at 70+h, or are simply temporarily obstructed by Important Stuff.
Post by: Shadowgandor on January 09, 2013, 09:31:01 am
Post by: EuchreJack on January 09, 2013, 04:06:36 pm
EDIT: Ok, I've went AI. Time to divy up the corpse that is my land.
Post by: Korbac on January 09, 2013, 06:38:52 pm
EDIT : You guys have all been amazing fun to play with. You are not the problem. The problem is my limited attention span and the somewhat plodding nature of the game.
Post by: EuchreJack on January 10, 2013, 01:12:16 am
To Everyone: Good luck to all but Il Palazzo and Boski! Just kidding: Il Palazzo has been a good friend for the last few turns, and Boski didn't have much of a choice, what with only having me as a border and knowing I would never truly rest after his attack until he perished. So, it's been fun playing with all of you.
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 10, 2013, 06:10:04 am
Post by: Boksi on January 10, 2013, 11:07:46 am
Post by: Waterplouf on January 10, 2013, 09:59:50 pm
P.S: WHAT, THE, HELL were those screeching archers units ? I literally had to mute the game because of the decibels.
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 10, 2013, 10:17:35 pm
That screeching were just the regular Ilthid Lord's ranged mindburn attack that you can hear e.g.during the other battle fighting my militia. Here it was just multiplied by the fact that each of the Lords had a Bow of War and was quickened, effectively making 48 "attacks" at once.
It's not as bad as the same effect on Yomi's Oni demons.
Post by: Karlito on January 11, 2013, 12:52:34 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 11, 2013, 08:07:14 am
I don't believe it'll help much, though. The issue seems more with general interest in the game waning.
Post by: Boksi on January 11, 2013, 12:16:02 pm
Post by: Karlito on January 11, 2013, 12:25:10 pm
Post by: Boksi on January 11, 2013, 01:49:51 pm
Are we all about to be swallowed up by the Tide of Fire?Well, it's more like tide of smog really.
Post by: EuchreJack on January 11, 2013, 06:57:03 pm
Post by: Korbac on January 12, 2013, 07:00:17 pm
I'll try and do my turn now - in the future (or if it's happenned now), don't wait for me; it's my fault.
:)
Post by: EuchreJack on January 13, 2013, 05:11:41 am
Post by: Korbac on January 14, 2013, 08:02:53 pm
Karlito, get ready to face MAGE MAGNUS.
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 17, 2013, 02:30:50 am
Post by: Karlito on January 17, 2013, 02:35:50 am
Post by: Boksi on January 17, 2013, 03:10:06 am
Post by: Korbac on January 17, 2013, 02:28:00 pm
Post by: Karlito on January 17, 2013, 06:30:31 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on January 22, 2013, 10:54:48 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 22, 2013, 10:58:32 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 22, 2013, 11:08:11 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 22, 2013, 11:09:46 pm
Because there are multiple games of Dom3 going at once and they are all relatively active as compared to other thread in "Play With Your Buddies".
But why are they Round 9, 10, and 11? Why not give them individual names?
Don't get me wrong. If this isn't all three of the same games (even if it sounds like it) then it is fine. Though why even seperate rounds unless you are just using this thread.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 22, 2013, 11:13:17 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 22, 2013, 11:14:21 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on January 23, 2013, 02:39:19 pm
Also, thanks to whoever extended the deadline, I didn't expect to have time, but now I should!
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 23, 2013, 03:37:32 pm
Post by: Korbac on January 25, 2013, 03:05:26 am
I'll look at my turn later and I'll decide whether to set myself to AI.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 29, 2013, 08:41:32 pm
Post by: Shadowgandor on January 30, 2013, 08:08:42 am
Post by: Korbac on January 31, 2013, 12:51:32 pm
I've set myself to A.I. - it was a really fun game but I just fell out of the loop for a little bit too long. Thanks for managing Il Pazz and Karlito, you've been fantastic. And a thanks to my fellow players as well for the challenge! :P
Post by: Il Palazzo on February 05, 2013, 09:11:07 am
60 is a nice number to wrap things up.
Post by: Shadowgandor on February 05, 2013, 09:32:19 am
Post by: Bluerobin on February 05, 2013, 09:35:29 am
Post by: Boksi on February 05, 2013, 11:58:00 am
Post by: Korbac on February 05, 2013, 11:59:54 am
I feel like Il Pazzuchoniori has been robbed of victory unfairly. :(
Post by: Il Palazzo on February 05, 2013, 12:10:58 pm
Also kudos to a1s for sticking around till the very end despite seriously crappy situation he'd found himself in.
Unless somebody objects in the meantime, I'll take the game down in about 12 hours.
Thanks for playing, folks.
Post by: Karlito on February 05, 2013, 05:02:43 pm
Thanks all.
Post by: Bluerobin on February 05, 2013, 05:07:09 pm