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Title: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on October 21, 2012, 09:18:49 pm
Ok guys I've not posted in here for a while but I'd thought I share a little fact, I've started Let's Playing Shining force! I'm using the SEGA Genesis & Mega Drive Classics
 on steam rather than emulating illegally.

So if you want to watch here is a link to the first episode: http://youtu.be/JRJ0gFv5CqE

I'm playing blind (not the best idea I know) and updating daily! So if you want to come along for the ride you're more than welcome!

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Bluerobin on October 21, 2012, 10:29:43 pm
Oh awesome, I've heard the Shining Force games talked about, but I've only ever seen bits and pieces.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on October 21, 2012, 11:03:35 pm
Oh awesome, I've heard the Shining Force games talked about, but I've only ever seen bits and pieces.

To be honest I chose to play it on a whim. I got recommended it by a friend to play generally, and when I start let's playing something I'm kind of obliged to finish, I thought this was the best way to make sure I finished it as well as get some videos out.

Still, so far, I think its pretty damn awesome, plus when I discovered the company that made the Shining series went on to make Golden Sun I was sold. Plus after putting half an hour into it its made me miss the good old days where I'd play my Sega Genesis.

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on October 23, 2012, 03:58:24 pm
Just an update of the rest of the episodes, there have been 4 more since the first post, I'll get into detail about how feel about the game after posting links:

Episode 2: http://youtu.be/NqSce0_dEQU

Episode 3: http://youtu.be/zEn9K5xoru0

Episode 4: http://youtu.be/Iat5oqT3UXs

Episode 5: http://youtu.be/6DbC94p__y4

Right now one thing I have to say is I quite like the battle system, which is a good thing since that's half the game play right there. I like how there are no percentage hit boxes or even an indication of how strong the foe you are fighting is, besides how bad-ass some of the sprites are. Of course standard fantasy knowledge helps like a centure knight is a bit tougher than a random Goblin etc, though it does seem fairly balanced. Little quirks like characters getting crits and attack twice in one turn is good as well, as they happen seemingly randomly and can help, or completely wipe out, your party members.

Other than that the story seem pretty standard so far, though I suppose that will change as the game progresses, as being a special Shining Force would be boring otherwise. One last thing though, the battle animations and music for this game are amazing, even if you don't like games like this I would recommend it on that basis alone.

Right I'll update this again tomorrow after the next upload, where I think we are getting into the actually plot of the game!

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on October 23, 2012, 06:22:24 pm
Since I actually owned Shining Force for the genesis I'll give you a few hints.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on October 24, 2012, 03:00:05 am
  • Don't bother leveling that elven archer, trust me on this, he will suck major balls.

How does this not surprise me?

I also kinda know about the promoting at level 20 thing, it seems to be the first thing most faq's mention about the game. The rest of the information is news to me and will be duly noted, since even though I'm playing blind I don't want to miss out on some of the more awesome stuff you can find in this game.

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on October 24, 2012, 05:36:14 pm
Right guys Episode 6 up and away: http://youtu.be/gYEcqyBf2IU

I just think the game got serious (my humor in the video aside), it really is pulling out all the stops in an attempt to make you feel over whelmed and a sense of dread. Though I suppose it has to, since it doesn't have the production values of a modern blockbuster video game. Instead we have a whole 16 bit's to get the job done.

Still if anything I can't complain about this game not giving you enough motivation, as it seems to be handing out in spades.

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: hostergaard on October 25, 2012, 06:56:59 am
Alright, cool lets play. Gotta work on your tactics tough. I haven't played SF but I know a little about these games in general. Use choke points, force weak enemies between you and strong enemies and use ranged units to whittle down the strong enemies who can't attack you. Your centaur knight is good for this because of relatively good armor and ranged attack. In general he probably should have a role where he attack from a distance and work as a backup to fill up holes that might emerge if one of your frontliners dies, he have a lot of movements points in flat terrain, but don't use him in the front line in general as he do not seem to have much HP.

When fighting in the open make sure to let your high HP and High armor units be in the front to take the brunt of the attack. Focus on as few enemies at a time as possible, killing two enemies is better than weakening four, as dead enemies can't attack you but low HP don't reduce the attack of the enemy. Luke seems to be a bit of a glass cannon, so use him for targets you need taken out quickly but don't let him be attacked. Draw the battle line at advantageous terrain so the enemy have to be in terrain with no bonus while you get massive bonus, like forests and mountains.

You asked what SDMN meant, its probably a class designation. SworD something. MaN? Yea. SworDMaN I think. There where item option at the dog fish thing, Maybe you can store stuff? The monk probably fight bare fisted. Kung Fu style. Lastly, a bit of a gamist approach that often work in game like this is focusing on leveling a single character, they will be impossible to hit because of high evade and can wade into enemies and slaughter them. Works better if there where counter attacks in the game tough.

Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on October 25, 2012, 10:12:29 am
If you want to grind characters use the spell called "egress" it whisks you away from the battle so you can fight it again.
The monk probably fight bare fisted. Kung Fu style.
The monk is actually one of the best clerics in the game, believe it or not. If you level him up he should get some pretty good healing spells.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on October 25, 2012, 04:00:33 pm
Right guys episode 7 is up, and its full of me rambling and combat: http://youtu.be/quXVsgSot94

Alright, cool lets play. Gotta work on your tactics tough.

I know I could be doing a better job, but it is getting the balance between playing properly and playing for entertainment, though later on in the game when battles become harder I'll have to be a lot more tactical.

If you want to grind characters use the spell called "egress" it whisks you away from the battle so you can fight it again.

I also knew this one as well, and I might have to employ the tactic for some grinding later on, but I'm trying not to exploit the game too much. I'm trying to treat it as much like a first play through as possible, even though I 'm playing blind, I already know a handful of tricks that going to give me an unfair advantage.

You asked what SDMN meant, its probably a class designation. SworD something. MaN? Yea. SworDMaN I think.

My God man you might be right, that's been bugging me for a while now and I didn't want to risk looking through a faq to find out.

Though I suppose that's all the update for today, since all we managed to do was fight off some of the forces of Runefaust!

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: hostergaard on October 28, 2012, 04:24:26 am

I know I could be doing a better job, but it is getting the balance between playing properly and playing for entertainment, though later on in the game when battles become harder I'll have to be a lot more tactical.


Yea, I tought of that, and the fact that its hard to multitask strategy and commentary. But man is it frustrating to watch a LP and the person playing overlooks something that seems super obvious. I am rly screaming at my screen.  :P


My God man you might be right, that's been bugging me for a while now and I didn't want to risk looking through a faq to find out.


Yea, its a strange class name tough. Swordman? Never heard it used before. Sword was kind of obvious, but the man part took me a while running trough various words. But then again, aside from never being used its a sensible enough designation for a low level sword user.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on October 28, 2012, 02:40:34 pm

My God man you might be right, that's been bugging me for a while now and I didn't want to risk looking through a faq to find out.


Yea, its a strange class name tough. Swordman? Never heard it used before. Sword was kind of obvious, but the man part took me a while running trough various words. But then again, aside from never being used its a sensible enough designation for a low level sword user.
What about WLFBRN? Would you guess that means Wolf Baron? Some of the class names are easy to figure out though like SMURI and I think one is just called NINJA.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: nenjin on October 28, 2012, 03:12:54 pm
Zylo is the man. He will become a crit/multi-attack machine after he's promoted.

Warriors like Gurt start off pretty poorly, but after their advance they ramp up in power and start hitting like trucks.

Domingo is hard to justify for a long time....but once you've leveled the crap out of him, he becomes a spell-casting hovertank.

Birdmen I never really found to be that great. They're fragile, low damage fighters with high mobility. They always seem to be the ones I'd have to babysit the most to make sure they get XP.

Centaurs/Paladins will vary by character. Some get great HP. Some get great DEF. Some get great ATK. Some even get a little magic. But they never seem to excel in more than 1 category. Early game they will make up the bulk of your army, late game you'll struggle to find a reason to use them, and you'll have TONS of them.

Archers are nice but it's unlikely you'll ever want more than 1.

Spellcasters rule but they are XP hogs.

Like was said above, EGRESS out of fights when there's only 1 enemy left to farm for XP. Make sure to EXAMINE all your enemies to see what gear they are carrying. The game gear carrying enemies will respawn when you re-enter the battle. It's a good way to farm for rings, advanced gear and stuff like Fire Axes. It can be time consuming though, the drop rates can be not good.

Be careful about items with uses. Many have charges and will break if you over use them.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Bluerobin on October 28, 2012, 03:19:20 pm
I thought being called a swordsman was a fairly common thing in fantasy settings. Maybe that's just me though.

Gotta catch up on these videos today!
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on October 28, 2012, 08:56:55 pm
Ok I held off posting this until I had both parts together so I discuss it, so here is Episode 8: http://youtu.be/x6eSDzw-8n4

Basically this is the episode where I flee, I then concede and agree to start using my brain a little and playing the battle a few times off camera to get used to things.

This turns out to be a pretty good idea, as I state in Episode 9 (which I'll post a link to at the end), as it gives me time to test a few things. I also manage to level most of my characters at least once, and get Tao Blaze lv 2, which is amazing.

I also try the weapons shop, simply to see if anyone could get a better weapon, which is a big resounding nope and speak to everyone in Guardania, just in case I missed anything. Whilst both of them turn out to be massive time sinks, in a game like this I though tit was better to be safe than sorry.

Now as for Episode 9, I feel I did a lot better here, though rather than spoil what I did I'll just leave a link and see what you guys make of it.

Episode 9: http://youtu.be/BWK7OS1YMMs

Right now onto responding to a few things!

Spellcasters rule but they are XP hogs.

Already I agree 100% Spellcasters do rule!

Centaurs/Paladins will vary by character. Some get great HP. Some get great DEF. Some get great ATK. Some even get a little magic. But they never seem to excel in more than 1 category. Early game they will make up the bulk of your army, late game you'll struggle to find a reason to use them, and you'll have TONS of them.

I don't know if its just me, but besides the healers (Gong and Lowe), the Centaurs have been the hardest ones for me to level, they get low exp from attacks and often don't output enough damage, so you have to wait to put them in a position to get a killing blow. So if I end up getting loads of them then it seems they are not getting used, unfortunately.


What about WLFBRN? Would you guess that means Wolf Baron? Some of the class names are easy to figure out though like SMURI and I think one is just called NINJA.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ok if there is a class called Wolf Barron I want it, that sounds bloody amazing!

As for the spoiler, thank you kindly good sir!

Right so until tomorrow, where I should enter Alterone and probably end up spending an episode chatting with NPC's, take care guys!

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on October 29, 2012, 11:20:19 pm
It has arrived in full glory, Episode 10: http://youtu.be/xzuDnDf8G5k

Ok, maybe its not that great, but I do learn one thing; Inventory management is a pain in the arse.

I mean only having (you have 4, but one is for a weapon) 3 slots to hold stuff is pretty cruel, and I'm not exactly being picky with what I pick up.

So, when I'm not preparing for battle, I'll be fighting my inventory system; wonderful.

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on October 30, 2012, 02:25:59 am
those potions you're giving to other characters increase stats, while those aren't to important, unlike Turbo Peppers. And you have probably already found out that gong can't equip that sword.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 30, 2012, 06:41:50 am
Thanks to you I've bought and started playing this game as well. I've lost twice in my first battle...my main character got rushed by the dark knight and was killed in two blows during one turn :( The second time was due to a dark dwarf attacking my main character once and before my main character could move away, he had another turn and attacked me twice.

Now I know the wonders of healing herbs and it's smooth sailing from now on :)
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on October 30, 2012, 07:28:58 pm
BETRAYAL!!!!

Episode 11: http://youtu.be/VdqnlIhKNRE

That's all I can say honestly

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on October 31, 2012, 11:51:50 pm
I personally think you should update more.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on November 01, 2012, 12:26:47 am
I personally think you should update more.

Well I do have Episode 12 here: http://youtu.be/3Ic9LTgjRAw

Though considering you're subscribed Kilroy, and I kind of fell asleep for 4 hours after uploading it, you've  probably already seen it!

Right, as for the episode, the Battle of Alterone continues with us kicking ass. Basically only 2 snipers and 1 mage stand in front of the entire Shining Force now, and we have relatively high HP after I've healed most of the party back up to full health.

And after talking with Kilroy apparently my best tactic is to bum rush the mage and end it ASAP as he can dish out damage, and with my entire force pretty much ready to run at the mage face first, I think that's easily achievable.

As for uploading more often, I normally tend to record, encode and upload 1 video a day, mainly because my internet sucks, its not diabolically bad, but for one 15 minute video it can take 2 hours to upload. This just makes it a pain to be honest. Though fear not I spoke with my landlord this morning (mainly as he actually lives in the house) and flat out offered him more money for better internet.

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on November 04, 2012, 01:11:20 pm
The zombies have a special move if I remember correctly, one that you may not be prepared for.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Akura on November 04, 2012, 01:54:39 pm
Since I actually owned Shining Force for the genesis I'll give you a few hints.
  • Don't promote characters until they are level 20, any sooner and you won't get the best stat gains
  • In the room where you get the moonstone, search all of the walls, there is a secret hidden item for Tao
  • The egg you find contains one of the best magic users in the entire game
  • There are multiple hidden characters, most of them outclass almost everyone else
  • Don't bother leveling that elven archer, trust me on this, he will suck major balls.

Alright, cool lets play. Gotta work on your tactics tough. I haven't played SF but I know a little about these games in general. Use choke points, force weak enemies between you and strong enemies and use ranged units to whittle down the strong enemies who can't attack you. Your centaur knight is good for this because of relatively good armor and ranged attack. In general he probably should have a role where he attack from a distance and work as a backup to fill up holes that might emerge if one of your frontliners dies, he have a lot of movements points in flat terrain, but don't use him in the front line in general as he do not seem to have much HP.
A few things about that. Enemies almost never move from their starting position unless scripted to, and most of the time that scritping only activates in proximity of one of your guys. In fact, you can cheese the first battle using your ranged troops, and they'll never respond. Also note that even though Ken starts with a ranged attack, all but one or two other weapons for your Knights is a melee lance. Also note that Ken also gains ridiculous amounts of hitpoints later on.


I don't remember enemies ever dropping items in this game, except

The zombies have a special move if I remember correctly, one that you may not be prepared for.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Of course, you can just kill the zombies with fire.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: nenjin on November 04, 2012, 07:03:47 pm
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I don't remember enemies ever dropping items in this game, except
Spoiler: I haven't actually watched the videos so I don't know how far along you are (click to show/hide)

I seem to recall some Rings dropping from Enemies as well. It's been many a-year since I've made it very far into a game of Shining Force.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Akura on November 06, 2012, 01:37:14 pm
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I don't remember enemies ever dropping items in this game, except
Spoiler: I haven't actually watched the videos so I don't know how far along you are (click to show/hide)

I seem to recall some Rings dropping from Enemies as well. It's been many a-year since I've made it very far into a game of Shining Force.
I noticed a few enemies carrying Shield Rings, but I've never seen them drop. Then again I've never grinded battles other than the first, and even then just to get Max and Tao to level 4(Tao because of her Blaze spell, and Max because he just tended to get up front more in that battle). Then again, I remember owning this game on the Genesis, and for some reason the battery thing wouldn't work, so everything was lost when the console was turned off, so I tried to beat the game in one day, many times.
Never saw a single Shield Ring drop, to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on November 08, 2012, 01:23:13 am
Ok episode 17 is here: http://youtu.be/ry41wsbxj6c

Let me tell you, I hate those zombies!

The zombies have a special move if I remember correctly, one that you may not be prepared for.

Holy hell, if that is true I got lucky, though if Akura is right then poison is just as bad. Plus I don't want to know what that other enemy is, but I'm proberbly guaranteed to hate it!

I seem to recall some Rings dropping from Enemies as well. It's been many a-year since I've made it very far into a game of Shining Force. . .

 . . .I noticed a few enemies carrying Shield Rings, but I've never seen them drop.
Never saw a single Shield Ring drop, to my knowledge.

Well according to my incredibly small amount of research, akin to a few Google searches, stuff drops in Shining Force II, but I've not found much on it happening in Shining Force. Still I don't really plan on spending much time grinding, only enough to make it enjoyable to watch. Like being slightly over-leveled so I can win, but its still suspenseful.

Then again, I remember owning this game on the Genesis, and for some reason the battery thing wouldn't work, so everything was lost when the console was turned off, so I tried to beat the game in one day, many times.

That suuuuuuuuuucks! I mean if you did manage to do it, or leave the console running (without it dying of course) then that would of been impressive. Like seriously impressive.

Right, next episode, we go into Manarina and find Princess Anri, who in all respects should be dead by now if Runefaust knew what they where doing, and so far they've had there stuff relatively well together. Still that's not going to stop the Shining Force from trying!

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on November 08, 2012, 03:47:21 pm
It's been awhile so most of the information I've given is only kinda correct. Sorry 'bout that.
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on December 06, 2012, 09:51:36 am
Ok Kinda reviving a dead thread here!

I have actually still been uploading episodes and have covered a lot of ground some ground since episode 17. So rather than mass link stuff here is just a link to the playlist, its better that way!

Playlist: http://tinyurl.com/c98p6v2

Right, basically, I've managed to get onto chapter 3. I had a stupid amount of trouble with the Marionette, I managed to win though after practically sacrificing my entire force! Now I've just managed to get to the town of Bustoke, which apparently has been subjugated into mining all day.

Still updates should continue as per normal now, since I'm trying to be a tad more proactive on the whole LP front and building a community!

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Akura on December 07, 2012, 02:24:06 pm
Right, basically, I've managed to get onto chapter 3. I had a stupid amount of trouble with the Marionette, I managed to win though after practically sacrificing my entire force! Now I've just managed to get to the town of Bustoke, which apparently has been subjugated into mining all day.
That Marionette. I remember the first time I fought him. Ouch. Infinite MP and Freeze 3. Just ouch.
Spoiler: Tips (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on December 10, 2012, 04:31:37 am
That Marionette. I remember the first time I fought him. Ouch. Infinite MP and Freeze 3. Just ouch.
Spoiler: Tips (click to show/hide)

The fight wouldn't be so damn cruel if it wasn't for his regenerating health! I was seeing around him get around 11hp back per turn, which is insane considering players haven't encountered regenerating units before this battle. At one attempt I managed to clear the field, but all my fighters died so I couldn't even inflict 11 points of damage a turn, so I simply used him to grind a tad before being obliterated.

Sometimes I don't get this game, I mean at the moment I'm grinding up a tad in the quarry at Bustoke as these hard battles just come about, and there is no preparation for them as there is no like random battles to grind on its either die trying or egress.

P.S. That steel arrow kicks ass!

~Blank
Title: Re: Blank Plays: Shining force
Post by: Blankdoor on December 13, 2012, 10:58:55 am
Ok long story short, I'm ending the series here, the whole SEGA DMCA occurrence has made me anxious to continue to be honest.

Though this isn't the only thing to disappear from my account, since I've kind of purged my account of all content I didn't feel happy with. So starting either today or tomorrow I'll come back with something new, kinda like a fresh start kind of thing!

So until next time guys, take care, and I shall see you then.

~Blank